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Okay, Kelly. I think we'll now ask you to call to order in the roll call for the agenda of the regular development meeting. Thank you.

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Okay. Mayor Moore.

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Yeah.

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Council President Lennie, here.

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Council President Proto-Tem Krampton.

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Yeah.

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Council Member Ayrskog.

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Council Member Koonie.

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Here.

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Please stand for the invocation and pledge.

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Heavenly Father, Grant the spirit of wisdom, charity, and justice to elected leaders.

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help them maintain their sense of purpose and be uplifted by words of encouragement as they face the decisions before them today.

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We humbly ask for your blessings upon our community.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, we're going to approve the agenda, but first we have some modifications and I'm going to go to staff at Wayne.

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Yes, good morning.

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Thank you.

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Let me go through the easy ones first.

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Item 14, 0.25, 0.0066, 3031, South Ocean Boulevard.

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Special exception and site plan review will be deferred until the April 15th, 2026 meeting.

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Item 19.

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Okay, hey, that was 14, right?

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Yep, 14.

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I am 14.

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14.

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14.

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Yeah, I got 15.

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Okay?

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Okay.

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Item 15, 241, El Dorado.

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This is the Artificial Turf.

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That matters.

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Staff is requesting that be deferred until the April 15th meeting.

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Item 19, ZLN-25-0070-937 North Lake Way variants, the variance has been withdrawn.

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Item 20, ZLN-25-0087-333 Sunset Avenue, variances deferred until the April 15-26 meeting.

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This is item 20.

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Would you go, that's 20, right?

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I'm trying to catch up for the air deferred.

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Item 22, 0.026, 0.001, 1519, North Ocean Way, variance deferred until May 13,

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2026,

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item 25, 0.026, 0.050, 1300 North Ocean Boulevard, variance deferred until April

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15th, 2026.

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All right, seven.

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I have 0, 0, 0, 0, 6.

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Is this height?

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Ordnance.

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Thank you.

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Number eight, regarding tandem parking.

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That was agenda item 27.3.

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Is deferred until next month, April 15th.

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And also, ordinance six, 2026.

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The ordinance relative to the signage on balance will be deferred until

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April 15th.

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Any other business to request for waiver of town code section 18-237 for building

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permit extensions at 1-34C Breeze Avenue that extension request has been withdrawn?

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Those are the

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easy ones. We also have agenda item number 13 which

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is 0.025-0049-180 Royal Palm Way, 301-309,

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South County Road and 155 through 7 Brazilian Avenue.

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We have an interested party who may like to speak on that, Mr. Crowley this morning.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Jamie Crowley for the record on behalf of the Frisbee Group.

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So last night as I was coaching my soccer team, I got a call from Lou and Lou asked us to

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remove this item from the agenda because of the way that it is sort of spun out of control

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in the community and out of respect for him, I spoke with the Presby Group and we're going

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to withdraw the site from the agenda.

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But because there have been so many things set about it, I just, if I could take one

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minute and just correct some of the things that we've been hearing because, and I could do

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this in public commoner, I can do it very quickly now because we submitted this project in

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July.

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We met with your staff probably 15 times.

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We redesigned the project three times significantly.

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I hope today was to come and to be deferred to our com because there's a very unique

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situation in the code with commercial projects where our com is supposed to make recommendations

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on variances, but you guys change the order in which these projects are heard.

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So now our com is doing design review after you're hearing the zoning.

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So what that led to in this situation was me needing to come here to be deferred to our com.

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But because this has caused so much anxiety in the community, we're just going to pull it and we'll

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revisit that maybe at a maybe at a later time, maybe not. I don't know what we're going to do,

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but we're going to go back to the drawing board. I don't want to have everyone worked up here today

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over something that maybe we can restart and come up with a better plan. But I do want to say that

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Frisbee Group has listened to your staff, maybe we didn't get it exactly right, but we did what

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we thought was in the best interest of the community. The project was going to reduce traffic by

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375 cars every single day, so we're going to withdraw it, but it's unfortunate that we weren't

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given an opportunity to further refine the plans, but I want to thank staff for trying to

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help us get through the process, and we'll take it off the agenda for today, so thank you.

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Thank you. And then finally item 17 0 and 25 0 0 7 6 17 68 South Ocean Boulevard,

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site plan review and variances. Mariziska is here today for that matter. She will request

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a deferral in person. Thank you. Mariziska here on behalf of the Schwarzman's and I came to

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you last month thinking that maybe we were going to be able to withdraw this request for variances

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to replace the generator, however.

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We'll still need to go forward with the variance request to replace the generator, so I'm asking for one month to furl to April.

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Thank you.

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More quick questions.

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They own a vacant lot next door to them that just seems to be a parking lot every day. Do you know what's going on there?

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Nothing.

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I just don't think vacant lots are supposed to be used as parking lots in our construction site.

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I mean, I think it's maybe their staff.

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Okay.

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I'll find out.

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Thank you.

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Joanne do we not need oh no would make us a promotion on that's right for the for all place. Thank you

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I move that both of them right Joanne

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Oh, no the other ones with drawn correct, so we don't have to make a motion on just just the project item 17

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Okay, so I move that

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Z-O-N-S-25-Z-0076, 1768 South Ocean Boulevard, B-A-Defird to April 15th.

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15th.

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Mr. Skog.

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Yes.

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Mr. Krampton.

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Mr. Cunney.

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Mr. Moran.

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Ms. Lindsey.

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Yes.

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And we will need a motion to modify the agenda as amended by staff.

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I'll make a motion to modify the agenda as excuse me.

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to approve the agenda as modified by staff.

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Mr. Harris-Con.

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Yes.

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Ms. Marianne.

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Yes.

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Mr. Cranpton.

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Ms. Lindsey.

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Yes.

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Now, if there's anyone else who's going to speak today who hasn't been sworn in.

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Just, that's the next thing I'm going to last.

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Then we'll go to the comments.

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If you intend to speak today and have not been sworn in, please stay on

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your right-hand and me sworn in?

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Kelly, just a can from.

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I do think anyone who, even if you were sworn in under LPA,

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you should be sworn in again.

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So, okay.

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If you tend to see me during this meeting.

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Thank you.

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Do you swear or affirm that the testimony

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which you're about to give is the truth?

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The whole truth and nothing but the truth

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so help you God.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Richard, I'm going to start with you today for comments.

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Jeez, I'm glad to be.

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No comments for me.

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Good morning.

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Nice to see you, everybody.

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Okay.

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Oh, no comments?

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None for me.

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Yeah.

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Well, I went to the Chamber Breakfast this morning.

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We know I'm not a morning person, but I did make a good Chamber Breakfast.

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And at that point, the Chamber and Evans honored the person sitting to my right and

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gave them the Chairman's Award for their years of service.

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So I merely want to recognize that Bobby did receive that award this morning in front of

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We were in full of 500 people, amazing people

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who think Bobby is as amazing as I think Bobby is.

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So, and I had one other comment, but I'm so busy thinking about Bobby that I forgot what it was.

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So, I can always come back to it.

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So, a few more.

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Yep, Julie.

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Yes, I'm just going to repeat what I said at the LPA, which is I want to thank Donnie for

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her generosity and giving them a beautiful lunch yesterday for the Council and for directors

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of staff so it was great that we were all together to say thank you to Bobby and to also tell

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her how much will miss her and I just again have appreciated I've been on the desk with Bobby

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the whole time so I'll miss you and I just appreciate your leadership and all you did to teach me

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before I got on council and just for all your ideas and your wisdom and the things you brought

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to our town in our council.

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Thank you.

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Ted.

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No comments this morning.

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Thank you.

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Bobby, I did have a question for Joanne, and I'm sorry.

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I'm sort of usually I asked questions before we go to meetings, but I was running late this morning.

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Joanne, I'm questioning whether or not it's appropriate to hear the declaration of use for the

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discussion on it, since the lawsuit's been filed, in my mind, it's sort of, we may be wasting

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time depending on the outcome of the lawsuit, so could you open on that, which might,

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I should have done it earlier, for approval of the agenda, so I apologize for that too.

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Absolutely.

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And this question has come up in the past as well as to the synagogue and other properties

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where an appeal essentially is filed.

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It is really the developer, the applicant's risks to move forward with the pending appeal.

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I do think it's appropriate if they want to move forward,

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but you can hear the declaration of use, and they do have an approval from you.

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And so it's their risk on appeal.

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I just don't want to spend eight hours discussing the declaration of use and have it be a waste of our time.

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But, okay, thank you. I just wanted to share with you.

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I would just add, I mean, the private property owner has the right to proceed.

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They do have an approval from you.

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Okay. Thank you, thank you.

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That's good clarification.

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And I'm going to remind everybody, yes, today is my last day that I'll vote.

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But I'm coming back next month and I'll have a few parting words after I oversee the election of a new president.

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So I look forward to that.

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And that's my only comment for today.

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I want to remind everybody we do have a meeting on March 30th oh yeah, I got one more. Sorry. That's a quickie.

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That's a quickie. And I've already said yes to that one too. All right. Okay. Okay.

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So. All right. Let's get into the.

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So. So.

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Do we have any public agenda as amended since we just.

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We did public comment.

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Yeah. We went to public comment. Now is there public anybody from the public that would like to speak now?

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or you can wait, obviously, till your item comes up.

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You have to come up to the desk,

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you're going to introduce yourself,

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and then you can ask whatever you want.

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Public comment.

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Dr. Gannick on it in 267 Marine Road,

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but I'm actually reading something for another resident

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that couldn't be here today.

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But since they withdrew their proposal

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for the project, would you like to hear the comments?

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No.

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You could bring them with it.

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Well, can I submit this to you?

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because this is really a very well-written letter

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and we agree with everything that Jennifer Roudic actually said.

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So thank you very much.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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And maybe give a copy to Jamie, if you'd like to see it.

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Should Mayor Schweib just send an alert.

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I think there was going to be substantial public comment on this one.

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There was.

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And I've sent it to the Garden Club and one other person

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that I know was marshalling, but I think it would be a great idea

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if you know somebody that is planning it.

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with a lot of people that might take a minute and send them a text.

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I think alert might be a good idea.

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Yeah, I think everybody.

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Yeah, if we can do that.

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You guys carry on, I'll just go tell Jeffs.

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Okay, I think that's appropriate because it is.

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It's always a good idea.

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I'm getting texts as we said here.

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So, right.

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Hopefully.

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So, okay.

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Okay, so now we're going to move into general business

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And we have an absence petition.

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Is there a twist or a twist?

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Yeah, you are.

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Yeah, you are.

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Good morning. Good morning. Sorry, it took so long to get to you.

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No, the other stuff's fascinating. So I appreciate it. Plus, mine's going to be very exciting. It's going to bring a lot of great energy into the discussions this morning as well.

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Okay. Well, we've got two things for you to do, right?

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Which is the, I guess your, your-

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Your-

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The first one, yeah. The first one I had two sentences last year.

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The first one, second one, I had a family emergency that I had to attend to, so I couldn't

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meet the two absence, I hit the two absence minimum requirement, and so that's why I'm

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the first part of this, that's why I'm here.

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Okay.

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Mask of question.

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Any questions?

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We've got Donnie, Julie Bridget.

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I mean, look, we all have families and things, so family emergencies are perfectly understandable

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And we always talk about how continuity in the boards regarding finances is really important,

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and I think it'd be a sad occasion if of course we're not allowed to continue the service.

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So, he's done a great job.

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I think those committees are both of them are daring to support jobs.

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So, I think we would, in my opinion, you all should accept the absences and move forward,

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move on to other more important things, okay? Julie? I agree. The only thing I wanted to

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stop is if you have a family emergency, can he call you after and get an

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excuse-dapsense or how does that process work? Because I know that town would have given

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them an excuse-dap and given you an excuse-dap service. Okay, because I think that's an

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important because you could just call and say, by the way, this is what happens. Oh yeah,

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And I know, I just didn't, it's not that I didn't show up.

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I mean, I gave them a warning that I couldn't show up.

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So why wouldn't that be an excuse to have an excuse to have an excuse to have an excuse?

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No, it's not.

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No, it's not.

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It is not.

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It's not.

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It is not.

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They're all submitting a certain status.

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And I think we should probably give discretion to the town manager or the chair of that committee

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up to have some.

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Absolutely.

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I think it should be quite clear.

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You should never have had to come before us.

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Do we need a motion? I'm going to make one.

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I would just want to add under the code.

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We are only allowed to excuse for for four reasons.

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And family emergency is not one of them.

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So we should add that.

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But if you added at the tell manager's discretion that would be.

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That would be helpful.

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Can we do that now?

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It has to come to you.

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If you want to know.

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Yes please.

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Okay.

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We probably need to thank you.

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Whatever you guys want.

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It's fine with me.

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Not the way I came in matters, but whatever.

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We want you for it.

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You want you for it.

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Okay.

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So it's on another report.

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All right.

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So on now that the exciting stuff.

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I'm here representing the annual port to you all

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in the mayor for the investment advisory committee.

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Just to confirm for those who don't know it.

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We are responsible for overseeing the towns,

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surplus funds, and the op-up op-pap trust funds.

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And the ones percent sales tax.

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So, just to give you the annual report on how things are going, as of December 31, 2025, we are

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overseeing $247 million, $646,123.

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That's divided up into, and this is just the surplus funds I'm talking about now.

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There's several managers that are helping overseeing those funds for us.

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There's PFM asset management, they manage about 18.7 percent of those monies, of which they manage a 1 to 5 year actively managed bond portfolio that returned 6.17 percent.

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The Florida League of Cities bond funds manages a 15.82 percent of that.

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They have several different strategies, the zero to two-year return, 4.77, and the 1 to 3-year

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5.4% and their intermediate return, 4.95.

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All those were one period, ending, one year periods, ending in December 31st, 2025.

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The bulk of the assets are held in CDs at several numerous banks.

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That represents about 40.29% of the surplus funds.

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Okay, now the other fund stuff, the health care, the health care funds, we manage the performance of the only go over the performance of that actually first.

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The performance of it was 13.60% in the year ending, December 31st.

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We do a diversified, very conservative portfolio that's about split between equities, domestic, international, fixed income, real estate and liquid capital, which is like cash.

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So just determine that just sort of be a 60-40 general portfolio and we rely on

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Mariner consultant to help guide us, but ultimately we're making the decisions.

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One, the one part of the most exciting part is our assumption for for for actual aerial

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target is five percent each year. That's kind of what we're anticipating that we're going to

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head after hit every year or on on over a longer period of time. And as I said last year,

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performance was 13.60%. And now, which is very unique for all communities, is that we are

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funded to 112% to 12.5% let's call it of what we anticipate future needs to be. So not only

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are we surpassing our annual target of 5%, but overall we are well funded and maintaining the

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goal of hitting the needs of the employees and regards to the medical health insurance.

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So those are all the exciting ones.

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So I just wanted to make sure that you knew that we are on target doing well and all

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is very good.

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Any questions?

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Yes, Lou?

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Yes.

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Tony Bridget.

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Great performance, Chris.

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And just, if you could just give me an outline of your liquidity provisions, obviously we had

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big storm or something like that, how quickly could some of that might be converted into

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money to recover from the storm?

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Well, yeah, so the bulk of the proceeds are in very short-term, highly, everything is

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highly liquid.

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We're not locked into any unusual distress, private equity, we are not in the highlights

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of today and invested in any of the private credit that does on the headlines right now.

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These are all highly liquid securities, so we could raise capital instantaneously.

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The only thing that you're not going to be able to be able to be that you want to blow

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out of is the more volatile securities like the equities and whatnot.

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Just because of the volatility and you never want to sell things when they're down. So volatility is what you get compensated for on the upside. So having 60% of just the health care funds in equity makes sense long term. 40% is in very conservative. So if you need to tap in from a health care perspective, that's immediately accessible. So it's like sort of your safe money. So you think of it as basically two buckets of assets. 60% is in what we call risk, which means stuff that's for the future that's going to grow.

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and the target is the overall portfolio to beat inflation.

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And then the 40% is in the risk control assets.

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That's the things that you can consume.

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So if the market would go in a tail spin,

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let's say, for an extended period of time,

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we'd have the flexibility to tap into those funds

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without having to sell things at the wrong time.

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I mean, you and our pension group have done incredible jobs.

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I won't say timing the market by investing in the market.

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We're very fortunate.

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Well, we have a great group, you know, we're, I refer to them as my Mary Band of Members.

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So we have spirited discussions and maybe some off humor jokes every once in a while, but love communicating.

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We don't get a lot of people here, so those who want to, you know, come and visit, we'd appreciate the, you know, the echo in the chamber.

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Yes, absolutely. So anyway, so all's good and that side. So I think we're on track that should be something that you all can not worry about after I leave

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this podium and can sleep well at night knowing that that that component of the finances

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is well secured and primed to surpass us to meet any of the obligations that we would

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have expected and unexpected.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Lou.

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A bridge.

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No, I just wanted to say thank you and congratulations on your really good outcomes.

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Regarding your 112 percent, I like to plan for the unexpected, so I have no problem with that.

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In fact I think that's a preferred balance in that one account because we all know things happen and they happen when they're unexpected, so I think it's actually brilliant, but thank you very much, and thank you for being partisan.

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It's great to participate in the community.

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I think I get a lot out of it.

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I get so much more out of it than I ever can put into it.

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So I always feel like I'm always behind in meeting the things that I really would like to add to the community.

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So anyway, I tried my best.

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We all work well together and I love you guys.

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OK, I won't go away yet, sir.

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Or we've got two more things to serve.

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We'll wrap up.

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OK, Julie, you have a question.

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I mean, I just did what Bridget said.

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And also, to thank your whole group for your service.

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Because I know even though you say, you know,

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that you get back from it more than you put in for us,

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You're putting in what we need and what we really appreciate so I thank you and I thank you

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You're to your team. Thank you, and I want to say the same because you know, we we've just been so fortunate both with you and the people who manage our pensions

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You're all residents and you know these are unpaid positions and we we have

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Fabulous advice and we get fabulous results from that advice which so far. I will say generally our finances are

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are a plus plus plus and that there are a lot of communities out there that aren't even close

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to what we're doing. And certainly, if you look at the obligations that are unfunded

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around the country and the craziness that that might have and a lot of jurisdictions and

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communities going forward, we're sitting in a good spot. Very good spot. No, actually.

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Probably one of the best spots. Yeah, no, I appreciate it. Now, so my question from Joanne,

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Do we need to make a motion to, you know, excuse, accept this report and then, and then I'd

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like to, to excuse the absence and make the change to add to, yeah, so both of these

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separate or can be the case.

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So let's first accept the report from Mr.

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Make a motion to accept the report.

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Second.

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Mr. Ruska?

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Yes.

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Mr. Crampton.

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Mr. Cooney.

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Yes.

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Ms. Moran?

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Yes.

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Ms. Lindsey.

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Yes.

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And then I'll make a motion to excuse the absences and allow Christorcuson to continue.

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Okay.

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Ms. Erskas.

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Yes.

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Mr. Cooney.

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Ms. Moran.

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Yes.

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And then I'd like to make a motion to add family emergencies to the criteria that is excused.

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Make a motion to add family emergencies to the criteria for an excuse.

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Yes, Mr. Crampton, Mr. Cunney, Ms. Marianne. Yes, Ms. Lindsey. Yes.

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But it has to come in ordinance form as Joanna.

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All right, we can get that.

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Thank you.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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From one to two, Sherry, to another.

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Thank you so much for what you do, by the way.

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Thank you.

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Keep in the barbarians out of the gates.

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Thank you.

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Okay, all right, so we're going to start to move

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to our landmarks preservation commission in properties and to, that's next on the agenda.

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So we've got, let's see, staff is here.

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I guess I'll call for X-parte on the first one.

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Because we've just, we've just,

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Point number five.

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Yeah, number five.

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That's three, 45 CBCS.

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I attended the landmarks preservation commission area.

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Okay.

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None.

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None.

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Oh, I drove by yesterday.

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None.

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Oh, I apologize.

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I need to amend.

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We received an email last evening, which I did read outlining the property owner's

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opposition.

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Right.

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Okay.

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I think of that.

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Well, I also read that letter.

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But I had seen it before.

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Ted, had I seen it maybe a few months ago?

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Did it come in?

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Yes, there were two letters.

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at the beginning of the season, and then,

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OK, recently on the show with Mr. Speer, I see him in the audience.

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But so I didn't get it yesterday,

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but I'll trust that I got it month to go.

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Yeah.

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And thanks for the reminders.

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So well noted.

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Yep, same with me.

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OK.

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Anybody else for ex-parti?

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Not yet.

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Not yet, Ramsey.

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OK.

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Mr. Crampton, did you have any expertise for this?

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I'm sorry, sir.

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Ex-parti.

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Four, four.

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Four.

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Four.

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There was a letter that came in last night, I don't know if you were able to read it.

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So go ahead.

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Good morning.

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Good morning.

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Janet Murphy for the record.

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The 345 Seabreeze Avenue was constructed in 1935 by Builder William Bound.

487
00:29:26,630 --> 00:29:30,830
And it's a very good example of the Monterey style architecture as interpreted by distinguished

488
00:29:30,830 --> 00:29:32,530
Palm Beach architect Bruce Kichel.

489
00:29:32,530 --> 00:29:37,850
The charming residents is located on the north side of Sieber's Avenue, between North County

490
00:29:37,850 --> 00:29:43,030
Road and Coken at Row, in the point in Ciana Park Subdivision known today as the Sea Streets.

491
00:29:43,950 --> 00:29:47,970
The first known residents of the dwelling were hailed in Alice Mazz, from Chicago who

492
00:29:47,970 --> 00:29:49,490
on the property by 1937.

493
00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:54,750
After the Mazz's house changed ownership a few times before the current owner Ramsey Spear

494
00:29:54,750 --> 00:29:56,470
purchased it in 1988.

495
00:29:57,550 --> 00:29:59,970
Shortly after purchasing the dwelling, Ramsey Spear'd renovated.

496
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:07,020
The House, and has been an extant steward of this historic dwelling for the past 38 years, maintaining its historic architectural character.

497
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,900
345, seabirds avenue meets criteria 1, 3, and 4 of the landmark preservation ordinance.

498
00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:19,180
For criterion 1, the House reflects a broad cultural economic and social history of the town of Palm Beach.

499
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:26,260
The dwelling was constructed in 1935 during the late Depression New Deal era in the mid to late 1930s.

500
00:30:26,260 --> 00:30:30,600
The House's size in classic monetary revival style reflects a post-boom-time era in Palm

501
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:35,560
Beach with many owners seeking mid-sized residences in fashionable architectural designs

502
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,880
with modern amenities.

503
00:30:37,660 --> 00:30:41,260
The country was recovering from the great depression and the residents, business owners,

504
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,580
and town officials for enthused about new development in Palm Beach.

505
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,120
Poinsiana Park would develop by city builders' real-day company with the aim to build

506
00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:54,000
a community, not just a housing development, and stipulated the House's be of high quality,

507
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,560
in varying designs, which is true of 345 C. Bruce Avenue.

508
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:04,020
For Criterion III, the house is a very good example of the Monterey style of architecture

509
00:31:04,020 --> 00:31:09,920
with French Creole influence in his character defining ornate metal balcony, rail, and eye-catching

510
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,180
sunburst fanlight.

511
00:31:12,540 --> 00:31:17,100
The stucco-covered dwelling has the essential second floor, cantilevered balcony, with principle

512
00:31:17,100 --> 00:31:19,780
roof overhang, and picturesque railing.

513
00:31:19,780 --> 00:31:24,920
In addition, it has low pitch chipperers with exposed raptors, multi-light windows, indoors

514
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:29,680
flanked by liver chutters, paired columns, and an appealing porch front with wavy-brot

515
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:30,220
arches.

516
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,280
Many of these features embody disting glossy characteristics of the Monterey-style, and make

517
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,760
it a valuable addition to dwellings of varying architectural styles in the Poinsana Park Subdivision.

518
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:46,440
For a criterion for, the House's very good representation of the design work of architect

519
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,140
Bruce Kichel as an interpretation of the Monterey style.

520
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:56,100
Kichel came to Palm Beach in 1919, and was one of the first architects in Palm Beach to

521
00:31:56,100 --> 00:31:59,620
hold a professional's architect license, receiving it in 1920.

522
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:05,280
Kichel's architecture, typified by a strong sense of proportion and an excellent eye for detailed

523
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,740
ornamentation, both exemplified in 345 seabirds Avenue.

524
00:32:10,660 --> 00:32:15,140
Kichel was also a founding member of the Society of Palm Beach Architects, an actively involved

525
00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:17,660
in the American Institute of Architects.

526
00:32:17,820 --> 00:32:19,180
Meeting these three criteria,

527
00:32:20,340 --> 00:32:23,780
criterion, we believe that 345 seabirds Avenue

528
00:32:23,780 --> 00:32:25,740
should become a town of Palm Beach landmark.

529
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:31,220
Sorry, I skipped one thing.

530
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,540
I just want to make sure to ask the clerk,

531
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,860
where you have proof of publication.

532
00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:38,880
Yes, Madam Chair, we do.

533
00:32:39,900 --> 00:32:41,840
I'll have to ask you that from now on.

534
00:32:41,900 --> 00:32:42,460
OK, thank you.

535
00:32:42,700 --> 00:32:46,500
And then I just need to ask staff first

536
00:32:46,500 --> 00:32:47,560
if they have any additional.

537
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,800
Wait, wait, I'm going to go in order.

538
00:32:51,620 --> 00:32:53,620
To staff have any additional recommendations.

539
00:32:54,860 --> 00:32:55,280
On this.

540
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,000
No, we do not.

541
00:32:56,900 --> 00:33:02,820
Then now I can ask a council member to move the designation report be made part of the record.

542
00:33:03,020 --> 00:33:06,800
I'll make a motion that the designation report for 345.

543
00:33:06,900 --> 00:33:08,600
Seabreeze Avenue be accepted.

544
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:09,780
Second.

545
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:11,420
Mr. Scog?

546
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:11,840
Yes.

547
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:12,520
Mr. Moran?

548
00:33:12,660 --> 00:33:12,900
Yes.

549
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:13,560
Mr. Cranpton?

550
00:33:14,660 --> 00:33:15,220
Yes.

551
00:33:15,220 --> 00:33:21,280
Yes, that was there anyone from the public who would like to testify or provide comments on this

552
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:26,840
I'm marking

553
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:35,920
I think I saw this double double the honest

554
00:33:37,260 --> 00:33:39,760
We pulled the mic down a little bit

555
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:45,440
Yeah, just state your name and address into the record for us, please. Thank you. My name is Ramsey Spear

556
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,120
345 sheepies have a new

557
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:53,700
And I'm known to almost all of you.

558
00:33:55,060 --> 00:34:00,360
I think what I'd like to do is read the letter that it sent you into the record.

559
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:01,620
It's short.

560
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:09,860
But on January 21, 2021, 2006, I attended the meeting of the landmarks

561
00:34:09,860 --> 00:34:13,660
Preservation Commission and went on the record to oppose our home,

562
00:34:13,660 --> 00:34:24,480
located at 345 C. Breeze Avenue, being designated as a historic landmark, and I'm here today again to express my opposition.

563
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:37,720
Our home is located in a flood hazard area, designated as only as situated below the prescribed elevation of 7 feet.

564
00:34:37,720 --> 00:34:42,720
I think the town is now raised at 8 feet, haven't I?

565
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:50,820
In order to, I said Florida House Bill 423 requires the consent of the property owner,

566
00:34:50,820 --> 00:34:57,140
in order to assign landmark status when the structure is below the designated elevation,

567
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,840
and a flood hazard zone.

568
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,040
The next paragraph, just mentioned the serving company,

569
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,640
to have a survey that shows the elevations.

570
00:35:09,060 --> 00:35:10,680
This isn't just anecdotal.

571
00:35:11,940 --> 00:35:15,940
Please note that our block of sea breeze floods in heavy rain

572
00:35:15,940 --> 00:35:19,220
causing water to regularly enter our garage.

573
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,800
Our driveway floods, even during passing showers,

574
00:35:24,860 --> 00:35:27,300
as it did on Saturday when it ran.

575
00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:33,070
Town officials in the council had previously been alert

576
00:35:33,070 --> 00:35:40,330
about the ongoing flooding issues that was in regard to the alley, which was recently repaired

577
00:35:40,330 --> 00:35:41,870
and the underground.

578
00:35:43,330 --> 00:35:50,510
The flooding has been exacerbated by multiple new constructed homes, which do meet code

579
00:35:50,510 --> 00:35:56,290
requirements for higher elevation in the area, such as two houses directly across the street

580
00:35:56,290 --> 00:36:04,490
and one behind us on the Clark Avenue alley, all of which have been built on lots that are

581
00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:06,630
at least five feet above bars.

582
00:36:08,650 --> 00:36:13,130
For this reason, and other considerations such as the potential

583
00:36:13,130 --> 00:36:21,290
laws of property value, I do not consent. In fact, strongly opposed 345 secretaries have

584
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:28,390
being landmarked and respectfully request that the council deny approval of the designation.

585
00:36:31,650 --> 00:36:36,430
Thank you. Thank you. Is there anyone else who'd like to testify from the public?

586
00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:39,270
Because I'm going to go to staff first.

587
00:36:40,350 --> 00:36:43,310
Yeah, we'll go to us in a little bit. Let's see.

588
00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:44,870
So council members can.

589
00:36:44,990 --> 00:36:46,170
May I ask that one?

590
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:47,170
Yes, please.

591
00:36:47,710 --> 00:36:49,590
And of course, the attorneys here to correct me.

592
00:36:49,590 --> 00:36:54,530
but I think Mr. Spear stated that is a requirement of the homeowner

593
00:36:54,530 --> 00:36:57,590
to come down to however I believe the legislation is written

594
00:36:57,590 --> 00:36:58,490
a little differently.

595
00:36:59,030 --> 00:37:01,630
If they oppose, you may still land a mark.

596
00:37:01,990 --> 00:37:04,710
However, afford to them the opportunity to proceed with demolition

597
00:37:04,710 --> 00:37:06,370
if they wish because they were there.

598
00:37:06,430 --> 00:37:07,450
So it's not a requirement.

599
00:37:08,810 --> 00:37:09,330
Just on the clarify.

600
00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:10,030
Right.

601
00:37:10,630 --> 00:37:10,870
Okay.

602
00:37:11,530 --> 00:37:14,430
Now, are there any comments or questions from Council?

603
00:37:15,290 --> 00:37:15,630
Bridget?

604
00:37:16,210 --> 00:37:18,190
I had a question because in my back up

605
00:37:20,350 --> 00:37:23,390
the minutes from LPC is attached to the wrong item.

606
00:37:23,610 --> 00:37:25,130
What was the vote from LPC?

607
00:37:26,030 --> 00:37:27,110
It was a 7-1.

608
00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:29,430
7-1.

609
00:37:29,550 --> 00:37:29,770
I'm sorry.

610
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,500
And zero, seven, zero, okay. Thank you.

611
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:37,470
Okay. And Luke.

612
00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:46,050
I am known as being the person up here who respects the rights of property owners and if they oppose

613
00:37:46,050 --> 00:37:53,970
it, I tend to go along with that. And I am going to do that in this case. It is a lovely

614
00:37:53,970 --> 00:38:00,750
home, but there are four other properties in that same area that I tend to favor as landmark

615
00:38:00,750 --> 00:38:08,790
properties. So I will be voting in favor of the property owner in this case that I won't be

616
00:38:08,790 --> 00:38:17,370
approving this one. Okay, Julie. I think unfortunately flooding is not, you know, we've gone

617
00:38:17,370 --> 00:38:22,950
through this before with several different homes and I feel like it would be wrong of us,

618
00:38:23,630 --> 00:38:28,970
no matter how we feel, you look at this home. It's beautiful in my opinion it's worthy of land

619
00:38:28,970 --> 00:38:40,150
And how do we justify putting all those other homes that were at risk for flooding and then making an exception here?

620
00:38:40,170 --> 00:38:44,390
Unless we felt the home was not landmark worthy.

621
00:38:44,970 --> 00:38:46,650
And I feel that this is so much beautiful.

622
00:38:46,990 --> 00:38:47,790
It's landmark worthy.

623
00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:56,810
The ordinance that or the state law affords you the ability to go forward with demolition.

624
00:38:56,810 --> 00:39:00,410
So even if we landmark, because you've opposed this today,

625
00:39:01,050 --> 00:39:04,050
so to me, they have all the options.

626
00:39:04,510 --> 00:39:08,070
And I just feel like this should be landmarked.

627
00:39:08,290 --> 00:39:12,570
I will make them, but again, you have as a property owner,

628
00:39:12,650 --> 00:39:13,810
Lou, he has all the rights.

629
00:39:14,290 --> 00:39:15,310
He can knock it down.

630
00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:18,410
So I would move when you're ready.

631
00:39:18,770 --> 00:39:19,370
You're ready, there's anyone else.

632
00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:19,890
When you're ready.

633
00:39:21,590 --> 00:39:26,510
OK, no, I will only add to that there's been up here long enough.

634
00:39:27,350 --> 00:39:34,630
We've seen this occur, even since the law changed, and generally speaking, it's not a

635
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:40,250
lose for you if you get landmarked because some people come along, you may decide to

636
00:39:40,250 --> 00:39:46,610
sell a house someday, and sometimes actually, the fact that it's landmarked, and more

637
00:39:46,610 --> 00:39:52,770
often than not, I think you can tell me this, that it's higher value because certain people

638
00:39:52,770 --> 00:39:57,950
really appreciate buying a landmark house, and it gives them a lot of flexibility.

639
00:39:58,130 --> 00:40:01,410
Let's say they're going to have different tastes than you, and they're going to renovate

640
00:40:01,410 --> 00:40:07,030
the house tremendously, and they would actually get a very significant tax deduction.

641
00:40:07,390 --> 00:40:10,330
And I could think of a friend of mine who called me and said, I can't believe you guys

642
00:40:10,330 --> 00:40:15,950
are landmarking, and she was in a house on Queensland, and I said, well, you know, talk

643
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:22,030
to the people, get a sense of it, and you know, see if you're still in disagreement.

644
00:40:22,030 --> 00:40:35,630
And she came back and said, we're lama because she was doing a two and a half million dollar renovation and the, you know, that was a very big savings on her part for non-tapping pay that increase in the tax for 10 years.

645
00:40:36,490 --> 00:40:42,810
So it isn't as bad as it sounds because you still have total control. I think that's what Julie was saying.

646
00:40:42,810 --> 00:40:54,130
I'll just make that comment, I understand loose position, but you've got two LPC people on here, and you know, every house is beautiful.

647
00:40:55,510 --> 00:41:06,190
I love my house, but yeah, that has not been my experience. Oddly enough, you sometimes mentioned Barbara Hofstad.

648
00:41:06,190 --> 00:41:14,290
As a realtor, I had the listing on Barbara Hofstott's beautiful home, which I believe

649
00:41:14,290 --> 00:41:26,400
is maybe a 20 kind of road, but that house was a Marys Fascio beautiful house on a lovely

650
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:36,400
lake front lot in the state section. And I just recall people saying, you know, I'd really like

651
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:43,560
to make an offer, and when they heard that the house was landmarked, they immediately lost

652
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:55,830
interest to, you know, today I did this letter just to comply with the law, but their

653
00:41:55,830 --> 00:42:07,850
reasons why I think landmarking is put restrictions on future honors or whatever that

654
00:42:07,850 --> 00:42:16,390
I just find to be a detriment, you know, and a lot of these houses, if they've reached

655
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:26,850
their lifespan, their expiration date, where they're 100 years old and whatnot, that may

656
00:42:26,850 --> 00:42:31,250
not sound like much to someone who lives in New England, there's, I mean, but Florida is

657
00:42:31,250 --> 00:42:38,710
very harsh climate for houses, and, you know, I've got a couple more, I've got a couple more

658
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:40,270
of, yeah.

659
00:42:40,950 --> 00:42:44,150
And we're a rigid and then doing more and exactly the same thing, yeah.

660
00:42:44,330 --> 00:42:48,110
No, I just wanted to thank Mr. Spear for coming, because he brings up a good point.

661
00:42:48,190 --> 00:42:49,770
Landmarking has a bad rep.

662
00:42:50,670 --> 00:42:58,010
We have to work on that, because I believe Landmarks are actually an asset to our community.

663
00:42:58,010 --> 00:43:02,710
So we thank the homeowners that take good such good care of them.

664
00:43:02,890 --> 00:43:09,150
I also wanted to point out that Brity is here today and we thank her for doing such a great job on landmarks.

665
00:43:09,210 --> 00:43:16,130
And I know she's moving the agenda item forward and every day working to, you know, kind of market our landmarks program.

666
00:43:16,130 --> 00:43:24,170
But I think we can probably do a better job of it to make it something that's more desired as it should be.

667
00:43:24,170 --> 00:43:27,350
Okay. Let's see. We got mayor. Yeah.

668
00:43:27,350 --> 00:43:27,950
And then Julie.

669
00:43:28,830 --> 00:43:33,650
Ramsey I hear you. I'd also like to point out the Barbara Hofstot's house just sold for what?

670
00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:38,170
Six deeps some odd million dollars. So maybe landmark can didn't hurt it.

671
00:43:39,030 --> 00:43:40,130
In the long run.

672
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:44,530
There is the other side of that story too.

673
00:43:45,210 --> 00:43:51,560
So I just wanted to bring us back because I'm sure Joanne would agree.

674
00:43:51,560 --> 00:44:02,140
We don't talk about whether, I mean, when we're making a decision, it doesn't matter if it's worth more worth less, or what landmarking does it doesn't.

675
00:44:02,780 --> 00:44:16,020
We each might have an opinion, but because we're giving expert testimony, we don't really know in our community if a landmark home was worth much more than a non-lan landmark.

676
00:44:16,020 --> 00:44:22,860
And I'm just Bobby, I'm not, um, I just want to make sure that when we're doing it, we do.

677
00:44:23,020 --> 00:44:23,200
We do.

678
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:23,900
We have a study.

679
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:24,660
We have a study.

680
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:25,740
Okay.

681
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,400
So then I take that back.

682
00:44:27,620 --> 00:44:27,820
I'm sorry.

683
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:32,100
It's just, I think we're supposed to stick to the evidence that's before us.

684
00:44:32,260 --> 00:44:33,000
Is that correct to end?

685
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,100
Well, this is the, this study is.

686
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,140
Do we want to have a comment on that study?

687
00:44:38,860 --> 00:44:39,380
Or is that a question?

688
00:44:39,380 --> 00:44:41,380
I think you should make a decision on this.

689
00:44:41,380 --> 00:44:44,080
like Mark, based on the decision on course that you've been presenting.

690
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:49,880
All right, and I've ready for your comments about the benefits of landmarking.

691
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,480
That's appropriate, but when you come and make a decision,

692
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:53,920
it should be based on the report.

693
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:55,820
Are you ready for a motion?

694
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:57,380
Uh, yes.

695
00:44:57,540 --> 00:44:58,660
Oh, public conscience.

696
00:44:58,820 --> 00:44:59,340
Oh, you see.

697
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:15,040
Go ahead. Okay, so I move that resolution number 16-2026, designating the property at 345 C.

698
00:45:16,060 --> 00:45:22,840
Avanu made sign going back and forth on a landmark of the town of Palm Beach on the basis

699
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:33,470
that it meets criteria 1, 3, and 4, of Section 54, dash 1, 6, 1 of the town of Palm

700
00:45:33,470 --> 00:45:36,890
Beach, code and landmarks, preservation, ordinance number 2, dash 84.

701
00:45:38,690 --> 00:45:38,770
Second.

702
00:45:40,190 --> 00:45:40,890
Ms. Harris-God?

703
00:45:41,210 --> 00:45:41,490
Yes.

704
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:42,090
Ms. Moran?

705
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:43,450
Yes.

706
00:45:43,450 --> 00:45:44,890
Mr. Krampton.

707
00:45:45,330 --> 00:45:46,210
Miss Lindsay.

708
00:45:47,050 --> 00:45:48,010
That passes 41.

709
00:45:51,730 --> 00:45:52,430
Thank you, Ramsey.

710
00:45:53,310 --> 00:45:53,590
Thank you.

711
00:45:55,230 --> 00:45:55,510
Okay.

712
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:57,410
All right.

713
00:45:57,550 --> 00:46:00,070
The next one is

714
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,040
130 coconut.

715
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:05,200
Yes.

716
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:06,940
Can we start with X-partei?

717
00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:08,200
X-partei.

718
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:10,170
9.

719
00:46:10,610 --> 00:46:11,450
Acceptate the amendment.

720
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:13,970
There was a letter from Ann Pepper on this one.

721
00:46:14,050 --> 00:46:14,750
Is this coconut?

722
00:46:15,110 --> 00:46:16,070
One for the coconut.

723
00:46:16,510 --> 00:46:16,890
This.

724
00:46:17,490 --> 00:46:23,950
We got a letter from Ann Pepper supporting the landmark designation.

725
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:26,110
Yeah.

726
00:46:26,110 --> 00:46:28,050
I'm driven by the site.

727
00:46:28,570 --> 00:46:29,370
Thank you.

728
00:46:29,530 --> 00:46:29,710
None.

729
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:31,570
Oh, we've got the length.

730
00:46:32,170 --> 00:46:33,370
And I read the Emperor.

731
00:46:33,690 --> 00:46:34,090
Right.

732
00:46:34,630 --> 00:46:35,110
Thank you.

733
00:46:35,290 --> 00:46:35,570
Thank you, Paul.

734
00:46:35,730 --> 00:46:36,830
The Emperor letter?

735
00:46:37,250 --> 00:46:37,530
Yes.

736
00:46:37,650 --> 00:46:38,250
I'm not a comedian.

737
00:46:38,550 --> 00:46:40,390
Yeah, I don't need the Emperor, but I just want to be a comedian.

738
00:46:40,410 --> 00:46:41,150
It's in our back.

739
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:42,330
Yeah.

740
00:46:42,830 --> 00:46:43,770
It's in our back up.

741
00:46:43,870 --> 00:46:44,070
Right.

742
00:46:44,250 --> 00:46:44,450
Right.

743
00:46:44,450 --> 00:46:45,050
You know?

744
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:46,590
Oh, I just want to comment on that.

745
00:46:47,410 --> 00:46:48,870
I'll see you.

746
00:46:48,910 --> 00:46:49,290
Okay.

747
00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:50,710
All right.

748
00:46:51,530 --> 00:46:51,630
So.

749
00:46:51,630 --> 00:46:52,470
Go ahead and like.

750
00:46:53,230 --> 00:46:56,570
So that we've done the expertise and it's it.

751
00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:58,050
Go ahead.

752
00:46:58,450 --> 00:46:59,190
Proof of publication?

753
00:46:59,610 --> 00:46:59,850
Yes.

754
00:46:59,890 --> 00:47:00,330
Madam chair.

755
00:47:02,450 --> 00:47:03,150
Then go ahead.

756
00:47:03,350 --> 00:47:03,870
Good morning.

757
00:47:04,030 --> 00:47:04,590
Emily still.

758
00:47:04,850 --> 00:47:04,870
Yes.

759
00:47:05,010 --> 00:47:05,390
On the record.

760
00:47:06,430 --> 00:47:10,950
The Monterey style residence at 130 coconut row was designed by prominent Palm Beach

761
00:47:10,950 --> 00:47:14,290
architect John Volk during the post-depression New Deal era.

762
00:47:14,910 --> 00:47:19,130
The property is located on the west side of Coconut Row just south of Bia

763
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:19,470
Sunny.

764
00:47:21,510 --> 00:47:26,670
John Volk was commissioned to design 130 coconut in 1937 for George and Grace

765
00:47:26,670 --> 00:47:29,870
Randall, who had specific ideas for the House's design.

766
00:47:30,450 --> 00:47:35,810
When the residence was built, Coconut Row served mostly local traffic as it ended

767
00:47:35,810 --> 00:47:41,570
at the Royal Poinsiana Chapel. However, a long range improvement program, organized by the Garden

768
00:47:41,570 --> 00:47:47,850
Club in 1930, included a project to extend coconut row to Royal Poinsiana Way, resulting

769
00:47:47,850 --> 00:47:50,990
in coconut row becoming one of the town's main thoroughfares.

770
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:57,670
The property meets criteria 1, 3, and 4 of the landmark preservation ordinance.

771
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:00,320
In regards

772
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:06,280
to criteria 1, 130 coconut row represents the broad cultural, economic, and social history

773
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,660
of the town of Palm Beach during the post-depression New Deal era.

774
00:48:10,540 --> 00:48:15,300
Designed in built in 1937, the dwelling is a very good example of the change in architectural

775
00:48:15,300 --> 00:48:21,380
styles in Palm Beach during this period. The residents exemplifies the trend of moving away from

776
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:26,020
the large Mediterranean revival style of states to more traditional styles of architecture,

777
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,420
which at the time was turned the third era of design in Palm Beach. In addition,

778
00:48:31,660 --> 00:48:35,680
when the residence was constructed, it was featured in newspaper articles with one Palm

779
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:41,580
post-article, describing the residents as one of the most striking new houses in the resort this season.

780
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:50,720
Other articles highlighted the design of the house's poinciana room, which included materials and furnishings from the recently demolished royal poinciana hotel.

781
00:48:52,660 --> 00:48:57,220
In regards to criterion 3, the house is a very good example of the Monore style of architecture.

782
00:48:57,980 --> 00:49:04,080
The dwelling features distinguishing characteristics of the style, including the main character defining feature of Monore,

783
00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:10,420
houses a can-a-leavered second floor balcony. The balcony of this house features a distinctive

784
00:49:10,420 --> 00:49:15,900
delicate metal railing that is a focal point of the home. Additional features of the style

785
00:49:15,900 --> 00:49:21,300
include the house's stucco facade, flat tile hip bruce, symmetrically aligned, multi-light,

786
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:27,520
sash windows, flanked by leavered shutters. Vokes use of additional classical details such as

787
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:33,280
coins, keystones, and stucco banding contributes to the architectural character of the residents

788
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,540
making it an example where the of study.

789
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:43,040
In regards to criteria four, one 30 coconut row is very good representation of the design

790
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:47,680
work of architect John Volk. Volk has been recognized as one of the most important architects

791
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:53,460
to practice in the town, and he understood and perfected varying architectural styles ranging

792
00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:59,280
from the Mediterranean revival all the way up through contemporary designs. Volk was also

793
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:03,320
known for working closely with his clients to the design structures that met their

794
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,340
lifestyle and wishes as he did with the randles and the design of 130 coconut

795
00:50:07,340 --> 00:50:11,520
row. Based on meeting these criteria, the

796
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,200
house we do feel is worthy of landmark designation.

797
00:50:16,240 --> 00:50:16,640
Okay, thank you.

798
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,280
Does anybody think to add?

799
00:50:19,940 --> 00:50:23,560
No, nothing from staff, so then we'll go to.

800
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:28,680
I'm going to approve the designation report for 130 coconut row.

801
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,260
Dr. Markham.

802
00:50:30,260 --> 00:50:30,740
Ms. Lairson.

803
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,180
Ms. Dessignation Report.

804
00:50:33,020 --> 00:50:33,960
Ms. Sarah Scott.

805
00:50:34,380 --> 00:50:35,060
Yes, Mr. Crampton.

806
00:50:35,260 --> 00:50:36,120
Oh, I'm Mr. Cooney.

807
00:50:36,580 --> 00:50:37,140
Ms. Moran.

808
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:37,700
Yes.

809
00:50:37,700 --> 00:50:38,840
Ms. Lancy. Yes.

810
00:50:39,580 --> 00:50:39,860
Okay.

811
00:50:40,300 --> 00:50:43,980
So are there anybody from the public that would like to speak in this subject?

812
00:50:45,140 --> 00:50:49,880
I don't see the property owner or their legal representatives here, but they were

813
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:55,960
President at LPC and they are understanding of the landmark process.

814
00:50:56,820 --> 00:50:59,540
Right, I have the neutral in my notes.

815
00:51:00,420 --> 00:51:07,940
Yes, actually, her representative made a lovely presentation that they initially started out with not being in favor, but now they are not opposing it.

816
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:08,480
Okay.

817
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:09,420
Not opposing it.

818
00:51:09,700 --> 00:51:10,620
That's great.

819
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:11,200
Okay.

820
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:12,120
Any comments?

821
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:13,520
Let's see from us.

822
00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:14,960
We start with Lou.

823
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:17,840
Bridget.

824
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:19,100
So.

825
00:51:20,300 --> 00:51:22,040
I have a question for Ms. McNer.

826
00:51:22,580 --> 00:51:31,860
Were they informed of the house bill that if they wanted to log a complaint, they would also be eligible for demo?

827
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:37,520
They are aware of that. I'm not sure if this would meet it in terms of the flood plan because it is a little bit higher.

828
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:43,860
But again, the attorney, the owner, we made her aware of all options.

829
00:51:44,860 --> 00:51:45,840
Okay. Thank you.

830
00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:52,900
And they didn't oppose. They said they became they originally opposed and then became infant.

831
00:51:52,900 --> 00:51:57,580
Yes. Okay. And I complete these support. That's it. It's beautiful.

832
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:04,620
No. Right. Go ahead. Then I think we haven't heard anything. So go ahead and make a motion.

833
00:52:05,140 --> 00:52:06,520
Only one. Okay. Go ahead.

834
00:52:06,620 --> 00:52:10,000
I'll move that resolution number 20-2026.

835
00:52:11,060 --> 00:52:14,800
Be adopted. Designating the property at 130 coconut row.

836
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,160
As a landmark of the town upon beach. On the basis that it meets criteria.

837
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:25,300
1, 3, and 4 of Section 54-161 of the Town of Palm Beach Code, and landmarks preservation

838
00:52:25,300 --> 00:52:27,180
ordinance number 2-84.

839
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:29,980
Second, Mr. Cunney.

840
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:58,320
Mr. Krampton. Yes. Yes. Miss Moran. Yes. Miss Lindsay. Yes. Yes. Please. Yes. Okay. And then I just wanted to talk about lunch a little bit, because I, we did, I did play earlier with everybody, right now I have it on my calendar is one to one fifty. Perfect. You have a three clock. Is that all right? Everybody. I'm just, it's eleven o'clock. We could, we have no eleven thirty now. We can just roll through as much as we can.

841
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:06,840
Let me remind everybody that the 11, 30-time certain, I think we sent out a note, has been withdrawn.

842
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:12,420
So the Frisbee project will not be heard today. It no longer exists.

843
00:53:13,060 --> 00:53:15,340
And so if you don't know if it's coming back or when.

844
00:53:15,380 --> 00:53:16,540
Back to the drawing board.

845
00:53:16,860 --> 00:53:22,400
So if anybody's here for that and we did send out as soon as they pulled it, we did send out a bullet.

846
00:53:22,940 --> 00:53:24,560
But we welcome you to stay anyway.

847
00:53:24,940 --> 00:53:27,240
If you'd like to come and be entertained for a few hours.

848
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:35,250
Yeah, so just so we see Mrs. Summers in the back and think maybe she'd like to leave.

849
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:38,000
I love.

850
00:53:39,900 --> 00:53:41,540
Yeah, that's great.

851
00:53:44,130 --> 00:53:45,510
Okay, yeah let's keep going.

852
00:53:46,290 --> 00:53:48,710
Okay, so that's when lunch is for everybody knows.

853
00:53:48,850 --> 00:53:51,280
So let's move to the next one, which is

854
00:53:53,790 --> 00:53:55,470
400 C spray, right?

855
00:53:55,810 --> 00:53:57,090
Yes, can you start with that spray?

856
00:53:57,090 --> 00:53:58,970
It's right. Yeah, it's part day.

857
00:53:58,990 --> 00:54:00,210
Turn to the landmarks commission.

858
00:54:00,830 --> 00:54:00,970
None.

859
00:54:01,110 --> 00:54:02,750
We still live on the street.

860
00:54:03,010 --> 00:54:03,450
None.

861
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:05,330
Was that the landmarks meeting?

862
00:54:05,930 --> 00:54:06,150
None.

863
00:54:09,410 --> 00:54:10,450
Can I get on the street?

864
00:54:11,590 --> 00:54:11,670
Okay.

865
00:54:11,670 --> 00:54:12,890
So, no, there is.

866
00:54:13,170 --> 00:54:15,050
Do we have proof of publication?

867
00:54:16,030 --> 00:54:16,110
Okay.

868
00:54:17,310 --> 00:54:17,470
Then.

869
00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:19,650
I don't see any witnesses.

870
00:54:20,290 --> 00:54:21,030
There want to be sworn in.

871
00:54:21,170 --> 00:54:21,450
Go ahead.

872
00:54:22,110 --> 00:54:22,430
Great.

873
00:54:22,830 --> 00:54:23,310
Janet Murphy.

874
00:54:25,130 --> 00:54:26,890
The property at 400 C.

875
00:54:26,890 --> 00:54:31,350
great avenue, features two structures, a main house facing north on

876
00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:35,730
Ceceira Avenue, and in a company house to the south facing east on

877
00:54:35,730 --> 00:54:41,390
coconut row, also known as 232 coconut row. The main house was constructed in the

878
00:54:41,390 --> 00:54:45,790
clone of a Bible style with craftsman influences, while the company house was

879
00:54:45,790 --> 00:54:50,190
constructed in the craftsman style. Both dwelling are two stories and were constructed

880
00:54:50,190 --> 00:54:55,470
in 1920 by city builders, realty company, as part of the points Yana Park subdivision.

881
00:54:56,570 --> 00:55:03,170
The first owners, following city builders, were Joseph and Elizabeth Mandel, who were living in the house by 1926.

882
00:55:04,310 --> 00:55:11,710
Joseph was a pioneer, early developer, and civic leader in West Palm Beach, who in 1923 was elected to the West Palm Beach City Commission,

883
00:55:12,190 --> 00:55:17,290
and in 1924 he became the first Jewish mayor of the city, where he served before moving to Palm Beach.

884
00:55:17,290 --> 00:55:21,890
The Bendels were also one of six families of foreign congregation Beth Israel.

885
00:55:22,850 --> 00:55:27,350
Joseph passed away 1938 and his wife continued to live at the property through

886
00:55:27,350 --> 00:55:28,430
Circum-1941.

887
00:55:29,550 --> 00:55:32,110
There were a number of later owners until the current owner,

888
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:36,410
John Jordan O'Neill III, purchased a property in 2022,

889
00:55:36,550 --> 00:55:39,010
and has been a very good steward of this historic property.

890
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:44,910
For her to see Spray Avenue, meet criteria 1 and 3 of the Lamark Preservation Ornans.

891
00:55:46,130 --> 00:55:51,610
For criterion 1, the houses reflect the broad cultural, social, and economic history of the town of Palm Beach.

892
00:55:52,150 --> 00:55:58,350
The dwellings are located in the point out of our sub-division that was one of the island's first successful large residential developments.

893
00:55:59,250 --> 00:56:05,450
City builders reality company promoted it as a neighborhood with beautiful homes located in the most delightful winter capital of America.

894
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:11,510
While prior to World War I, Palm Beach's reputation had mostly rested on the fashionable hotels,

895
00:56:12,230 --> 00:56:15,730
the success of pouring Santa Park helped establish a neighborhood residential dimension

896
00:56:15,730 --> 00:56:20,330
to the development of Palm Beach, just south of Flagler's Royal Ponceana and Breaker's hotels.

897
00:56:21,670 --> 00:56:26,050
The houses are also important because they are well-known houses located on a much traveled corner

898
00:56:26,050 --> 00:56:31,410
in Midtown Palm Beach, in their size scale and unique designs, helped to maintain the historic fabric

899
00:56:31,410 --> 00:56:35,150
of the C-Streets in the early architectural development of the town.

900
00:56:36,070 --> 00:56:40,790
In addition, the property was recognized in one of Palm Beach's most art and historic

901
00:56:40,790 --> 00:56:44,850
by one of Palm Beach's most art and historic preservation advocates, Bobberhoff.

902
00:56:45,330 --> 00:56:48,430
In her book, Landmark Architecture of Palm Beach.

903
00:56:49,710 --> 00:56:55,070
For Criterion 3, the houses at 400 C-Spray Avenue are interesting, early Palm Beach

904
00:56:55,070 --> 00:56:57,450
houses originally known as Palm Beach Cottages.

905
00:56:57,450 --> 00:57:05,210
The main house facing cease for Avenue features a number of distinguishing characteristics of the colonial Bible style with craftsmen influence.

906
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:21,410
This two-story house has a symmetrical front facade, multi-light sash windows, including seven pairs, a one-story porch and a side-gable roof with character-depining jerk and hide-gable ends, along with arch-stormers, a gable eyebrow, wide-over hanging eaves,

907
00:57:21,410 --> 00:57:25,270
is both draft or tails and a chimney stack extending through the front roof slope.

908
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:30,490
The company, two-story craftsman-style dwelling, has jerking had reached dominating the

909
00:57:30,490 --> 00:57:34,650
front design of the house, full-length dormers running along the north and south elevations

910
00:57:34,650 --> 00:57:40,550
of the second story, cables with wide, eve, overhang, and projecting raffer tails, and a one-story

911
00:57:40,550 --> 00:57:42,190
enclosed porch on the first story.

912
00:57:42,810 --> 00:57:47,910
In addition to the distinguishing characteristics of their architectural styles, both houses

913
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:52,630
close resemblance to their original design, make them inherently valuable for the study of

914
00:57:52,630 --> 00:57:58,530
1920 period when they were designed. Meeting these criteria, we believe that the properties

915
00:57:58,530 --> 00:58:03,370
at 400 seats for Avenue, Micriteria, meet the landmark preservation ordinance.

916
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:09,950
Okay, thank you, staff, do you have any comments? Then I will ask someone on the desk to

917
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:13,430
move that the designation be report. I'm moving forward.

918
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:22,550
Part of the record. I move that the designated designation will pour 400 cease-fire avenue be made part of the record.

919
00:58:24,310 --> 00:58:30,430
Sir, Scott. Yes. Mr. Crampton. Mr. Cooney. Yes. Miss Moran. Yes. Miss Lindsay. Yes.

920
00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:38,830
Okay. Is there anyone from the public who would like to speak on this particular designation and recommendation?

921
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:42,560
Seeing none.

922
00:58:42,560 --> 00:58:45,680
a question for Jenna. Yeah, we've got somebody here for Ted.

923
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:49,800
Yeah, these were once separately owned, are they now jointly owned and under any of

924
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,640
title? Yes, they're currently. Because they got cleavered, so they've been

925
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:59,240
brought back together. During their history, they've been together and separated

926
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:06,100
four times, but currently they're together. Okay, thank you. Okay, let's see,

927
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:08,380
And then we've got rigid.

928
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,700
Oh, no, it's still on.

929
00:59:13,380 --> 00:59:14,780
Oh, so you don't want to go out.

930
00:59:15,140 --> 00:59:15,340
I don't want to go out.

931
00:59:15,340 --> 00:59:15,620
I don't want to go out.

932
00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:15,840
I don't want to go out.

933
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:16,980
I don't want to go out.

934
00:59:19,340 --> 00:59:22,660
I just want to hear Ted's thoughts.

935
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,800
Oh, I mean, it's an original city builder's house.

936
00:59:26,140 --> 00:59:31,460
It's perfectly contributing resource to the original intent and design and building of the neighborhood.

937
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:34,220
Okay.

938
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:36,720
So how about?

939
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:37,120
Yes.

940
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:38,780
May entertain in motion?

941
00:59:39,580 --> 00:59:42,360
There's no public comment. Yes, I'll move that 400 seats.

942
00:59:43,140 --> 00:59:43,880
Make a resolution.

943
00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:49,360
A motion that resolution number 21-2026.

944
00:59:49,540 --> 00:59:51,740
The adopted does mean the property of 400.

945
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:57,900
C spray Avenue is a landmark of the town of Palm Beach on the basis that it meets criteria 1 and 3

946
00:59:57,900 --> 00:59:59,980
of Section 54-166.

947
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,180
One of the town of Palm Beach Code and landmarks preservation ordinance, number 2884.

948
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:07,200
Mr. Cooney.

949
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:07,600
Yes.

950
01:00:07,780 --> 01:00:08,020
Mr. Moran.

951
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:08,600
Yes.

952
01:00:09,500 --> 01:00:10,120
Mr. Crampton.

953
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:10,980
Ms. Lindsey.

954
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:11,740
Yes.

955
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,340
I'm pleased to thank the homeowner.

956
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:13,900
Yes.

957
01:00:14,420 --> 01:00:14,940
Thank you.

958
01:00:15,580 --> 01:00:16,160
They're not here.

959
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,140
But they didn't oppose.

960
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:20,580
They just didn't comment.

961
01:00:21,180 --> 01:00:23,280
Okay. You know, this seems to be C-Spray.

962
01:00:24,100 --> 01:00:27,540
サxistreights, and the next one is ...

963
01:00:27,540 --> 01:00:28,200
The 30 October 20th.

964
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,340
Third polling, Blady, Ce spray Avenue.

965
01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:31,580
X.

966
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:33,820
Part Day, this is a cease spray.

967
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:36,040
Se Street Day.

968
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:37,080
Yes, sea street day.

969
01:00:37,220 --> 01:00:37,860
230, Z.

970
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:38,680
Since spray soap, X.

971
01:00:38,980 --> 01:00:40,820
In time of the landmarks, Commissioner Harry.

972
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:41,260
No.

973
01:00:44,690 --> 01:00:47,190
I read the letter from the homeowner.

974
01:00:47,950 --> 01:00:50,650
Mrs. Fi'—opposing the designation.

975
01:00:51,090 --> 01:00:51,330
Oh, yeah.

976
01:00:51,450 --> 01:00:52,310
So let me correct Ito.

977
01:00:52,430 --> 01:00:53,570
I received the letter from Mrs.

978
01:00:53,590 --> 01:00:53,750
Finish.

979
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:57,610
as well. Right. I'm not sure if he came to everybody or

980
01:00:57,610 --> 01:01:00,730
March. Did you send it to everyone or just me? Everyone.

981
01:01:03,030 --> 01:01:03,150
Okay.

982
01:01:03,150 --> 01:01:03,590
All right.

983
01:01:04,990 --> 01:01:05,990
Okay. I read now.

984
01:01:06,150 --> 01:01:07,750
This is fixed on her as well.

985
01:01:08,910 --> 01:01:10,730
I'll tell you, landmarks and I read the letter.

986
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:13,700
Okay.

987
01:01:13,700 --> 01:01:14,440
I'm sorry, Miss Lindsay.

988
01:01:14,580 --> 01:01:15,220
What was your expertise for?

989
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:16,180
I couldn't.

990
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:17,360
No. Okay.

991
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:17,780
Thank you.

992
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:19,840
I missed the letter. I don't know how, but I did.

993
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:21,120
Okay.

994
01:01:21,540 --> 01:01:21,800
Okay.

995
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:28,000
All right, so let me verify that we approve the publication.

996
01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:28,540
Yes, ma'am.

997
01:01:28,540 --> 01:01:29,580
Thank you.

998
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,740
And we'll go ahead and hear you report.

999
01:01:33,140 --> 01:01:33,240
Okay.

1000
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:33,700
Janet again.

1001
01:01:34,020 --> 01:01:34,820
Thank you.

1002
01:01:35,060 --> 01:01:38,260
The House of 233 Avenue is an interesting Georgia Revival

1003
01:01:38,260 --> 01:01:40,920
South Dwelling located on the south side of C-Spray Avenue

1004
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,000
between South County Road and Coconut Row.

1005
01:01:43,580 --> 01:01:46,140
The House is situated perpendicular to C-Spray Avenue

1006
01:01:46,140 --> 01:01:47,780
facing east toward the ocean.

1007
01:01:47,780 --> 01:01:52,680
The House of Built in 1920 by City Builders' Realty Company as part of the Poinsiano Park's

1008
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:53,680
subdivision development.

1009
01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:58,660
The first owner-filing City Builders was Atwater Kent, who purchased the property in

1010
01:01:58,660 --> 01:01:59,760
circa 1935.

1011
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:03,400
Kent was an American inventor and prominent radio-manored factor.

1012
01:02:04,140 --> 01:02:09,420
He and his wife started coming to Palm Beach in 1918 after World War I, and in the 1930s,

1013
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,560
he became very interested in local Palm Beach Real Estate and bought a number of properties

1014
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,620
as he recognized the value in owning Palm Beach Real Estate at the time.

1015
01:02:17,180 --> 01:02:21,840
Later, owners of the property included David Neiman, who taught English and Latin at Palm Beach

1016
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:26,700
private school, not Palm Beach Day Academy, and also served as Headmaster for 10 years.

1017
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:31,500
And later, David and Poo City's Salisbury, who owned a retail shop on Worth Avenue,

1018
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,300
plus a hotel shop in the breakers.

1019
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:39,360
In 1986, the Salisbury sold the property to the current owners, Ronald and Marcia Fick,

1020
01:02:39,660 --> 01:02:42,560
who had been exceptional stewards of the property for 40 years.

1021
01:02:43,940 --> 01:02:48,960
2.30 C spray avenue meets criteria 1 and 3 of landmark preservation ordinance for a

1022
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:50,740
correct hearing one.

1023
01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:55,440
The House is in the point Santa Park subdivision and reflects the broad cultural social

1024
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,240
and economic history of the town of Palm Beach. While prior to 1919 Palm Beach's reputation

1025
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:05,180
had mostly rested on the pastime hotels, the success of the Point Santa Park helped establish

1026
01:03:05,180 --> 01:03:09,240
another residential dimension to the development of Palm Beach. City builders

1027
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:13,680
real estate company, publicized points in a park in their promotional brochure, as a home

1028
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:18,600
site park with broad avenues, prevailing in beautiful homes where many of the country's best

1029
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,140
known people spend their time with contentments.

1030
01:03:22,580 --> 01:03:26,660
The house is one of 13 cottages featured in their widely distributed marketing brochure.

1031
01:03:27,180 --> 01:03:31,340
The size, scale, design, and design of the dwelling continues to maintain the historic fabric

1032
01:03:31,340 --> 01:03:34,780
of the sea streets and the early architectural development of the town.

1033
01:03:34,780 --> 01:03:40,820
In addition, at WaterCent, the first owner was a prominent American inventor whose company

1034
01:03:40,820 --> 01:03:45,400
was the largest maker of radios in the United States in 1920s and in Palm Beach,

1035
01:03:45,420 --> 01:03:49,700
he was an early real estate investor who purchased 230 seats for a avenue and another

1036
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:55,860
and other properties including the prestigious finita hotel as successful real estate ventures.

1037
01:03:56,020 --> 01:03:57,920
If he could only see it today.

1038
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:04,300
For a criterion three, the house is a very good example of the Georgian Bible South architecture

1039
01:04:04,300 --> 01:04:07,300
featuring a number of distinguishing characteristics of the style.

1040
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,420
The Duoling's balance and symmetrical form and

1041
01:04:10,420 --> 01:04:14,060
fenestration is an important element of the Georgian revival style.

1042
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,760
The multi-licesch windows, particularly the three-part windows in the first story,

1043
01:04:19,380 --> 01:04:22,820
the side-gable roof with brackets on the leaves and gable and returns,

1044
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:25,760
and the distinct central entry frame by palesters,

1045
01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:28,420
are additional Georgian revival features of the house.

1046
01:04:29,060 --> 01:04:31,580
The prominent chimney that splits the family in the gable

1047
01:04:31,580 --> 01:04:34,720
and the sighting of the dwelling perpendicular to C-Spray Avenue

1048
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,980
at interested the property's architecture.

1049
01:04:37,940 --> 01:04:42,460
In addition, to dwellings early construction and close-redubled resemblance to the photo

1050
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:44,840
in the city builder's real-day company's brochure,

1051
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:49,440
confirms that despite some alteration, the main design and character of the original dwelling

1052
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:54,800
in-der after more than a hundred years and is inherently valuable for the study of the period.

1053
01:04:55,620 --> 01:05:00,360
Beating these criteria, we believe that 2.30 C-Spray Avenue should become a town of Palm Beach Landmark.

1054
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:01,220
Okay.

1055
01:05:04,690 --> 01:05:08,510
Nate, any comments from staff?

1056
01:05:09,890 --> 01:05:13,470
Let's move, let's move first that the designation report be being part of the record?

1057
01:05:13,550 --> 01:05:17,250
I move the designation report for two, thirty, six, six,

1058
01:05:17,250 --> 01:05:19,730
spray up a new being made part of the record.

1059
01:05:20,630 --> 01:05:20,710
Welcome.

1060
01:05:22,110 --> 01:05:22,690
Is there a scone?

1061
01:05:22,710 --> 01:05:22,990
Yes.

1062
01:05:23,170 --> 01:05:23,710
Mr. Crampton?

1063
01:05:24,450 --> 01:05:25,030
Mr. Cooney?

1064
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:25,750
Yes.

1065
01:05:25,750 --> 01:05:26,270
Ms. Moran?

1066
01:05:26,470 --> 01:05:26,890
Yes.

1067
01:05:26,910 --> 01:05:27,270
Yes.

1068
01:05:27,270 --> 01:05:33,870
Yeah, yes. Now I would like to ask if there's anyone from the public that would like to comment.

1069
01:05:34,490 --> 01:05:34,970
Marsha?

1070
01:05:49,060 --> 01:05:56,580
Good morning for the benefit of Mrs. Lindsay. I'll read my letter. I'm sorry you didn't get it.

1071
01:05:56,660 --> 01:05:57,480
That's all right.

1072
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:01,720
Will you ask us if you have an elevation issue to write?

1073
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:02,300
Yes, we don't.

1074
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:02,960
You have a females.

1075
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:05,400
Yes. Marsha Fick.

1076
01:06:05,780 --> 01:06:07,200
230 C spray Avenue.

1077
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:14,200
The FIC family is steadfastly opposed to having our home at 230 C spray Avenue Landmarked.

1078
01:06:15,100 --> 01:06:18,820
We have been good neighbors and residents for over 40 years.

1079
01:06:19,740 --> 01:06:26,620
We are well aware of the Landmarking Progress process and are fully educated on all aspects of the Landmarking program.

1080
01:06:27,740 --> 01:06:35,820
The prospect of having our home Landmarking, Landmarked, feels like a taking and some sort of punishment or penalty.

1081
01:06:35,820 --> 01:06:45,040
I'm not an architect and it also feels like a penalty that I should need to hire an architect to attempt to maintain our rights as property owners.

1082
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:54,120
Other than the fact that the house is old and it is charming, it is basically an unremarkable rectangular white shingle house.

1083
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:59,780
The most notable feature of which is that it faces sideways to the street.

1084
01:06:59,780 --> 01:07:06,320
The house is also non-conforming on a single lot, making it highly unlikely that anyone

1085
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:10,920
would ever demolish it, which makes it also unnecessary to land market.

1086
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:16,680
As you well know, homes on larger lots are much more at risk for demolition.

1087
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:23,760
So that being said, my family finds itself in the odd position of needing to retain our right

1088
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,100
to demolish our home.

1089
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:29,960
We do not consent to have our home at 230C spray Avenue in Palm.

1090
01:07:50,340 --> 01:07:53,580
I'd like to hear from Ted.

1091
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:55,500
No, I'd.

1092
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:05,420
And regarding the landmarking program and that its purpose is not to prevent demolition.

1093
01:08:06,020 --> 01:08:09,700
That's another bad thing that landmarking.

1094
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:12,700
That's not the purpose of it.

1095
01:08:12,780 --> 01:08:15,020
The purpose is to preserve our history.

1096
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,780
And I think that this house does that for reasons one and three.

1097
01:08:19,980 --> 01:08:24,660
And I also, I love that it is situated sideways and that speaks to our history.

1098
01:08:24,660 --> 01:08:28,320
And that's the purpose of our landmarking program.

1099
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,220
So I just wanted to clarify that.

1100
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:33,940
OK, let's see.

1101
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:37,120
I don't see anyone else on the jacket.

1102
01:08:38,860 --> 01:08:40,580
Is there anyone else from the public?

1103
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:42,120
I don't see that.

1104
01:08:43,940 --> 01:08:47,020
So I would be appropriate to make a motion.

1105
01:08:47,140 --> 01:08:48,840
I'm not making motions, but I'll do it.

1106
01:08:48,940 --> 01:08:49,180
Sure.

1107
01:08:49,180 --> 01:08:56,000
I move that resolution, number 22-2026 be adopted,

1108
01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:03,600
designating the property at 230 C spray Avenue as a landmark

1109
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,640
of the town of Palm Beach on the basis

1110
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:11,480
that it meets criteria, number one and three of section 54-161

1111
01:09:11,480 --> 01:09:13,640
of the town of Palm Beach code.

1112
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:18,260
And the landmarks preservation ordinance number 2-84.

1113
01:09:20,420 --> 01:09:20,440
Second.

1114
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:22,680
Ms. Moran?

1115
01:09:22,900 --> 01:09:23,200
Yes.

1116
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:23,800
Ms. Sarah Scott?

1117
01:09:23,980 --> 01:09:24,420
Yes.

1118
01:09:24,440 --> 01:09:26,800
Mr. Crampton?

1119
01:09:27,820 --> 01:09:28,560
Ms. Lindsey.

1120
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:33,120
Okay.

1121
01:09:33,700 --> 01:09:35,100
We can actually take a break.

1122
01:09:35,300 --> 01:09:36,760
We haven't had a break in a long time.

1123
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:37,160
Is that all right?

1124
01:09:37,340 --> 01:09:37,880
If we take a fine break.

1125
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:39,400
We actually have one more landmark.

1126
01:09:39,580 --> 01:09:40,300
One more landmark.

1127
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:40,660
All right.

1128
01:09:40,820 --> 01:09:41,340
We'll do that.

1129
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,620
And then take a minute break.

1130
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:44,660
What do we need?

1131
01:09:44,660 --> 01:09:45,100
Okay.

1132
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,000
R 140C view.

1133
01:09:48,380 --> 01:09:48,480
Yep.

1134
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:50,100
This is the last one.

1135
01:09:50,380 --> 01:09:51,840
One is for CX Part A.

1136
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,140
Anybody have any X Part A for 140C view?

1137
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:55,580
None.

1138
01:09:56,280 --> 01:10:03,080
I actually drove by last night because I was thinking it was a different house that used to belong to Mr. Smith's family.

1139
01:10:04,060 --> 01:10:05,200
But it was the one next door.

1140
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:06,860
And a letter was submitted.

1141
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:12,620
I hope you all received a letter from Mr. Bloomfield, who is the owner who was in opposition.

1142
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:15,220
I missed that. I'm sorry.

1143
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,480
Yes, I received that letter and attended the landmarks presentation.

1144
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:19,640
I'm sorry.

1145
01:10:19,660 --> 01:10:22,140
I didn't get the letter, but I did it in the landmarks meeting.

1146
01:10:22,600 --> 01:10:25,420
I did not send it, I didn't get the letter either.

1147
01:10:26,540 --> 01:10:26,700
Okay.

1148
01:10:26,700 --> 01:10:27,680
First, I did not see it.

1149
01:10:27,820 --> 01:10:28,400
Let's put it that way.

1150
01:10:29,140 --> 01:10:29,320
Okay.

1151
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:30,780
So, let's see.

1152
01:10:33,720 --> 01:10:34,120
All right.

1153
01:10:34,900 --> 01:10:36,420
Is it proof of publication?

1154
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:37,240
Yes, ma'am.

1155
01:10:37,380 --> 01:10:37,640
Okay.

1156
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,900
Then let's go ahead and go to staff.

1157
01:10:43,460 --> 01:10:49,180
The elegant two story residents at 140 CV Avenue was designed in the George and Revival

1158
01:10:49,180 --> 01:10:53,780
style in 1939 by important Palm Beach architect, Leicester Geysler.

1159
01:10:54,300 --> 01:10:59,560
It's located on the ocean block of CV Avenue between South County Road and South Ocean

1160
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:10,880
Boulevard. 140 CV Avenue was constructed in the East Plaza subdivision, which was

1161
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:15,260
for Dr. Nancy Radar, an osteopathic physician originally from Virginia.

1162
01:11:16,500 --> 01:11:19,960
She, along with her husband, Dr. George Radar, moved to Florida in 1924,

1163
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:23,040
and opened a medical office in downtown West Palm.

1164
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:30,020
George Radar passed away in 1928, and in 1936,

1165
01:11:30,580 --> 01:11:34,680
Nancy Radar purchased the property at 14C view from the Palm Beach Company.

1166
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,600
And she commissioned architect Lester Geysler to design the residence,

1167
01:11:38,780 --> 01:11:40,580
which was constructed in 1939.

1168
01:11:42,220 --> 01:11:46,120
Since its construction, the residents has stayed in the family and is currently owned by

1169
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:50,460
Dr. Raiders Grant Children, who have been wonderful stewards of the property. The House

1170
01:11:50,460 --> 01:11:55,720
retains its architectural integrity to an almost untouched example of Lester Geysler's

1171
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:56,000
work.

1172
01:11:58,930 --> 01:12:03,610
The residents at 144 C-view meets Crateria 134 of the Landmark Preservation

1173
01:12:03,610 --> 01:12:10,430
Ordnance. In regards to Crateria 131, designed and built in 1939, the dwelling is a very good

1174
01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:13,070
example of the late 1930s in Palm Beach.

1175
01:12:13,570 --> 01:12:16,490
At this time, the town was experienced a change in architecture.

1176
01:12:17,230 --> 01:12:23,030
In the Georgian revival, style residents have won 40-CV Avenue, exemplifies the trend of moving

1177
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:28,050
away from the Mediterranean inspirations to classical and traditional styles.

1178
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:33,570
Built for Dr. Nancy Radar, a well-regarded osteopathic physician and remaining in the family

1179
01:12:33,570 --> 01:12:38,430
since its construction, the residents has retained its historical and architectural integrity

1180
01:12:38,430 --> 01:12:40,430
to an extent that is not common.

1181
01:12:42,810 --> 01:12:48,050
In regard to criteria 3, the residents is a very good example of the Georgian revival style

1182
01:12:48,050 --> 01:12:49,790
as interpreted by Leicester Geysler.

1183
01:12:50,430 --> 01:12:54,470
It features a number of distinguishing characteristics of the style, including the dwellings

1184
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:59,850
balanced and symmetrical form and fenestration, the multilite casement windows, intersecting

1185
01:12:59,850 --> 01:13:05,230
hip roofs with corners and fascia, and classical architectural details, such as coins,

1186
01:13:05,230 --> 01:13:10,610
keystones and belt course. Our additional Georgian revival south features of the residents.

1187
01:13:11,530 --> 01:13:16,110
The archtop windows and shutters, metal grills on the entrance bay and the archdoor

1188
01:13:16,110 --> 01:13:22,330
windows of the garage, our additional character defining features of the residents. In addition,

1189
01:13:22,510 --> 01:13:27,230
the notable amount of integrity, the house has retained since its construction makes it inherently

1190
01:13:27,230 --> 01:13:28,990
valuable for the study of the period.

1191
01:13:31,050 --> 01:13:34,550
In regards to criterion 4, Lester Geysler was an important

1192
01:13:34,550 --> 01:13:38,750
architect to practice in Palm Beach whose contribution has been underrepresented.

1193
01:13:39,550 --> 01:13:44,650
He began work on the island in 1923, first as an apprentice to Addison Meisner and later

1194
01:13:44,650 --> 01:13:46,790
as an associate of Meisner's.

1195
01:13:47,230 --> 01:13:52,930
And after starting his own practice in 1931, Guy Sir Designed many structures throughout South Florida,

1196
01:13:53,350 --> 01:13:57,470
including residences, churches, and his most well-known commission, the highly-apark

1197
01:13:57,470 --> 01:13:59,370
racetrack grandstand in clubhouse.

1198
01:13:59,370 --> 01:14:05,470
The Jordan Revival Style Residence at 140C View Avenue is a very good example of Geistler's

1199
01:14:05,470 --> 01:14:09,770
ability to move away from the Mediterranean Revival Style that he began working in with

1200
01:14:09,770 --> 01:14:12,950
Meisner to more classic architectural styles.

1201
01:14:14,170 --> 01:14:21,190
Based on meeting these criteria, 140C View Avenue does meet the criteria to be worthy

1202
01:14:21,190 --> 01:14:22,370
of landmark designation.

1203
01:14:22,370 --> 01:14:28,650
And I'd also just note there are currently no Palm Beach landmarks that were designed by

1204
01:14:28,650 --> 01:14:29,150
Geysler.

1205
01:14:30,430 --> 01:14:30,610
Okay.

1206
01:14:31,170 --> 01:14:31,310
Okay.

1207
01:14:31,430 --> 01:14:31,870
Thank you.

1208
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,110
Do we have any additional recommendations from staff?

1209
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:40,210
No additional recommendations, Prudereekment, there are architectural review and history

1210
01:14:40,210 --> 01:14:40,990
preservation manager.

1211
01:14:41,130 --> 01:14:45,970
So I'll be echoing a few things that Emily just presented, but it is just so unique to see

1212
01:14:45,970 --> 01:14:51,150
such an unaltered property that is elevated from the street and yet has such a wonderful

1213
01:14:51,150 --> 01:14:56,710
presence in history, and being in the same family and as she already noted, Mr. Geysler,

1214
01:14:57,330 --> 01:14:59,390
and a unique year of construction in 1939.

1215
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,040
This is one of kind of the unicorn ones I've seen since I've been here meeting all these different elements that really speak to the history of Palm Beach and its heritage.

1216
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,880
Okay, can I have a motion to move that the designation report to be.

1217
01:15:14,900 --> 01:15:17,240
So moved. Second. Second.

1218
01:15:17,260 --> 01:15:18,120
Oh, sorry, go ahead, Julie.

1219
01:15:18,620 --> 01:15:19,620
Mr. Kenney? Yes.

1220
01:15:19,740 --> 01:15:20,740
Ms. Moran? Yes.

1221
01:15:20,740 --> 01:15:21,800
Ms. Sarah Scott? Yes.

1222
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:23,060
Mr. Krampton? Yes.

1223
01:15:23,060 --> 01:15:24,220
Ms. Lindsay? Yes.

1224
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:27,440
Is there anyone from the public that would like to speak on this matter?

1225
01:15:32,860 --> 01:15:33,640
I thought you were speaking.

1226
01:15:33,640 --> 01:15:35,960
Thank you.

1227
01:15:35,960 --> 01:15:38,140
Be careful about getting up and moving at that time.

1228
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:45,200
For the week, I would suspect that this does not have the elevation issues that the others do.

1229
01:15:45,340 --> 01:15:49,680
I mean, it's ocean block where you tend to have the beach-dune plus it's elevated from the street.

1230
01:15:49,980 --> 01:15:53,140
Correct. Even though we don't have a formal survey on file, I believe that's correct.

1231
01:15:54,420 --> 01:15:56,600
I'll make a motion if you're ready.

1232
01:15:57,220 --> 01:15:59,460
No, because I've got some other comments here.

1233
01:15:59,620 --> 01:15:59,980
Oh, sorry.

1234
01:15:59,980 --> 01:16:00,120
Sorry.

1235
01:16:01,940 --> 01:16:03,540
So, I think I have done.

1236
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:04,380
Did you go off?

1237
01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:05,680
Oh, I didn't mean to go off.

1238
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:06,500
So, you're next.

1239
01:16:06,500 --> 01:16:07,200
I mean, I did.

1240
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,280
And I was going to make the same comment.

1241
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:15,280
So, for a break, everything on the south side of C-view and the ocean block is on that

1242
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:15,740
ridge.

1243
01:16:16,440 --> 01:16:16,540
Right?

1244
01:16:17,300 --> 01:16:22,920
Because, you know, now we see houses that have to be built like this, but if this is an

1245
01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:29,160
original house, which you're telling me it is since the 20s, then all those houses on that

1246
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:36,740
are on the ridge. They are, but this one appears even higher, and this is a 1939. Okay. Okay. All right.

1247
01:16:37,220 --> 01:16:42,120
Julie and then Bridget. Oh, no, I was just going to make a motion. Okay, Bridget. Go ahead, Julie.

1248
01:16:44,420 --> 01:16:54,180
I move. Of course, I was saying. I moved that resolution number 23-2026.

1249
01:16:54,920 --> 01:17:03,520
Be adopted, doesn't need the property at 140-Cview Avenue as a landmark of the town of

1250
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:11,700
Palm Beach and the basis that it meets criteria 1, 3, and 4, section 54-161 of the town

1251
01:17:11,700 --> 01:17:15,480
of Palm Beach Code and landmarks preservation ordinance number 2-84.

1252
01:17:17,720 --> 01:17:18,320
Miss Sarah Scott?

1253
01:17:18,740 --> 01:17:18,800
Yes.

1254
01:17:18,980 --> 01:17:19,300
Miss Moran?

1255
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:19,680
Yes.

1256
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:20,660
Mr. Crampton?

1257
01:17:21,780 --> 01:17:22,300
Yes.

1258
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:26,200
closing. Yes. Beautiful. Okay, thank you. Great. Great.

1259
01:17:26,940 --> 01:17:36,800
Projects. Yeah. Yeah. We're going to take a quick break and then when we come back, we'll get update on the four arts.

1260
01:17:37,060 --> 01:17:41,060
Yeah. I'm going to go see mom. Here's Ted. We're all here now.

1261
01:17:44,180 --> 01:17:46,500
Okay. I'm going to call everybody back to order. Please.

1262
01:17:48,940 --> 01:17:53,380
I think we're all here. We've got a little bit of discussion over there.

1263
01:17:54,700 --> 01:17:56,580
It's all right, we can start building.

1264
01:17:56,740 --> 01:18:00,640
Well, they're talking, I'm going to give them a minute to wrap up.

1265
01:18:02,420 --> 01:18:03,200
It's just the three.

1266
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:06,780
Council President May I swear, if there's others that have

1267
01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:08,480
them, they have to be a good thing to do?

1268
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,200
If you have not been sworn in, is there,

1269
01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:12,580
and you're going to just head to speak today?

1270
01:18:12,780 --> 01:18:14,800
Can you please stand and be sworn in?

1271
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:16,080
Raise your right hand.

1272
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:18,880
Mr. Schoerner, do you need to be sworn in?

1273
01:18:19,820 --> 01:18:20,060
OK.

1274
01:18:20,460 --> 01:18:22,300
It seems like everybody has been sworn in then.

1275
01:18:23,660 --> 01:18:23,800
Right.

1276
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:25,460
I've been sworn in.

1277
01:18:25,700 --> 01:18:26,940
OK, we're good to go then.

1278
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:27,580
OK.

1279
01:18:28,700 --> 01:18:30,000
OK, everybody's back.

1280
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,720
So we're going to go ahead and we're

1281
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,280
going to ask for an update.

1282
01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,760
This is on the four arts.

1283
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:36,760
Signed it for it.

1284
01:18:36,820 --> 01:18:38,400
It's a big picture of project requested.

1285
01:18:39,020 --> 01:18:40,560
But we ask for this, I think, an update.

1286
01:18:41,480 --> 01:18:42,360
So thank you.

1287
01:18:42,540 --> 01:18:42,780
All right.

1288
01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:43,300
Good morning.

1289
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,980
I'm Keith Spina, Spino-Rark,

1290
01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:49,100
our detective record for the four arts project.

1291
01:18:49,740 --> 01:18:51,320
I'm going to make this really quick.

1292
01:18:51,580 --> 01:18:53,120
And then happy to answer any questions.

1293
01:18:53,620 --> 01:18:58,180
The project team continues to be the same team of that for a long time, buyer, blender,

1294
01:18:58,420 --> 01:18:59,600
bells work on with us.

1295
01:18:59,880 --> 01:19:05,240
We have gardener Theobold, which is our project manager, we have John Donahue in the audience

1296
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:05,700
with us.

1297
01:19:05,740 --> 01:19:10,460
We have Suffolk, construction, which is one of our general contractors, and we have Concoma Lewis,

1298
01:19:10,660 --> 01:19:15,300
both Ben Baffer from Suffolk, and Greg Lewis from Concoma and Lewis are here today if you

1299
01:19:15,300 --> 01:19:16,840
have any questions for them.

1300
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:21,640
Just to refresh everybody, we're doing kind of three projects.

1301
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:26,480
we're doing the O'Keefe, the Ravinsky, and we're just about done with a little improvement

1302
01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:31,140
that we did to the Slaat House, which is over on the east side of the property, where I

1303
01:19:31,140 --> 01:19:34,720
think we put windows in a couple of days ago, and we'll be wrapped in that up pretty quickly.

1304
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:40,480
So the bulk of what we're going to talk about today is everything on the west property, which

1305
01:19:40,480 --> 01:19:44,140
is renovation, a restoration of O'Keefe and Ravinsky.

1306
01:19:46,020 --> 01:19:52,640
Just so we restate it, the project has been approved at Town Council in landmarks.

1307
01:19:53,180 --> 01:19:59,080
We are getting ready to, very quickly, submit for both a demolition permit and a master

1308
01:19:59,080 --> 01:19:59,980
building permit.

1309
01:20:00,500 --> 01:20:03,760
There will be two permits for one free building.

1310
01:20:04,740 --> 01:20:10,200
We've been working on that and then we're hoping to be able to start construction the first

1311
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:12,220
day we're allowed to, which is May 1st.

1312
01:20:14,200 --> 01:20:23,300
The schedule is, as I start, demolition may of 2026 and we expect to be ready for the complete

1313
01:20:23,300 --> 01:20:27,560
of the construction of November of 27 ready for the 27-28 season.

1314
01:20:28,320 --> 01:20:31,420
So, pretty aggressive, but we were prepared for that.

1315
01:20:33,100 --> 01:20:37,660
This is a site logistics plan that Suffic and Cocklenloose have created.

1316
01:20:38,180 --> 01:20:39,200
There's a couple things.

1317
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:44,960
The first thing is we presented recently and got approved was a screening plan for the entire

1318
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:45,820
piece of property.

1319
01:20:46,700 --> 01:20:49,480
I'll show you in a second, but the project is going to get screened completely.

1320
01:20:50,660 --> 01:20:53,160
The good news is we have a pretty big piece of property.

1321
01:20:53,300 --> 01:20:57,300
We have a lot of space for construction, staging.

1322
01:20:57,620 --> 01:21:01,920
We have plenty of room for a limited amount of construction traffic.

1323
01:21:02,900 --> 01:21:07,360
I don't know if most of the projects make projects like this in the Jouton Palm Beach, like

1324
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:14,080
that the electrician will have a bunch of people show up at their office, probably at West Palm Beach or somewhere on the other side of the bridge.

1325
01:21:14,540 --> 01:21:22,540
They'll get in a van or some sort of vehicle that they'll ride and then they'll ride to the site and they'll have one of two choices they can either park their van

1326
01:21:22,540 --> 01:21:30,060
and because there's ample space on site to do that or they can drop their employees off and then they take the van back and pick them up at the end of the day.

1327
01:21:30,060 --> 01:21:36,440
And that's the way Suffolk and Cockle and Lewis have planned this with all the subcontractors and full endorsement.

1328
01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:44,060
So there won't be individual cars all day every day driving over in the amount that represents the amount of people that will be here.

1329
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:47,520
Large project, large site, large amount.

1330
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:59,140
There is a portion of the property at the kind of north side, which is one of the medium-sized parking lots of Forearchs that will remain available for the Forearchs to parking

1331
01:21:59,140 --> 01:22:04,080
So they still have the fits sticks in and the other side of the property that they'll be able to use your round.

1332
01:22:06,780 --> 01:22:12,100
Then this is the screen site diagram that we had presented, but let me just jump ahead.

1333
01:22:12,760 --> 01:22:20,340
And if you recall, so we have a six foot tall chain length fence with a green fabric on it.

1334
01:22:20,440 --> 01:22:29,120
Above that we have a 20-foot-ish tall screen wall that was approved by you that wraps the whole entire west side of the property.

1335
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:29,980
What do you mean you have face three of them?

1336
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:59,160
Come over to the bridge. You'll see this big screen wall. And then it runs down roll palm way. And then when you hit the revinsky, I don't know if you guys remember, we have a pretty creative screening. It's 40 foot tall. And it's a image of the building as it will look when we're completed, which, coincidentally, is very similar to how it looks today. So that's the screen. It's been approved. We'll start installing that as soon as the GC and the town agree that it's ready.

1337
01:23:01,310 --> 01:23:05,250
This is a diagram that we presented in the landmarks and town council meetings.

1338
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:11,510
It was something that we use graphically to try to help people understand, you know,

1339
01:23:11,530 --> 01:23:14,330
all right, I see your demolition plan, but what does it mean?

1340
01:23:14,890 --> 01:23:21,490
And so the top image shows in red, this is the O'Keefe building, the portions of the building

1341
01:23:21,490 --> 01:23:27,550
that will be removed, the bottom image shows the same building after everything is gone.

1342
01:23:27,550 --> 01:23:31,930
So you can see we're taking a substantial amount of roof off in the case of

1343
01:23:31,930 --> 01:23:38,330
OK for taking the west end of the building off and we're expanding it to the west a little bit.

1344
01:23:38,650 --> 01:23:40,710
So this is stuff all been presented previously.

1345
01:23:41,950 --> 01:23:45,650
Nothing's changed in and just wanted to kind of share that with you.

1346
01:23:45,990 --> 01:23:48,310
This is an image, you know, can't tell the difference.

1347
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:52,190
One's a little harder to see the existing photo looking coming over the bridge.

1348
01:23:52,190 --> 01:23:55,730
had he needs to look into the northeast, looking at the campus.

1349
01:23:56,630 --> 01:23:59,870
And it's on the left is what it looks like today on the right,

1350
01:24:00,110 --> 01:24:02,210
or the big image is what it's going to look like more done.

1351
01:24:02,730 --> 01:24:05,030
If you say what's at difference, you can't tell.

1352
01:24:05,250 --> 01:24:06,430
They're going to be very similar.

1353
01:24:08,590 --> 01:24:11,190
Then Revenski, same kind of understanding.

1354
01:24:11,650 --> 01:24:14,110
The red is the portions of Revenski that we're

1355
01:24:14,110 --> 01:24:16,110
removing previously approved.

1356
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:20,270
And then the bottom image is what the building will look like

1357
01:24:20,270 --> 01:24:21,870
when the demolition is complete.

1358
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:24,710
One thing that's pretty unique about this site

1359
01:24:24,710 --> 01:24:25,930
is this relatively flat.

1360
01:24:26,030 --> 01:24:28,650
There is in a way to really see the buildings

1361
01:24:28,650 --> 01:24:30,670
as much as some of the other buildings in town.

1362
01:24:31,310 --> 01:24:36,310
And it also, the screen is a unique and new approach

1363
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:39,350
to screening big projects like this in the town of Palm Beach.

1364
01:24:39,830 --> 01:24:42,290
So although there'll be a lot of demolition,

1365
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:46,330
we don't think that it's going to draw as much attention

1366
01:24:46,330 --> 01:24:48,190
as other buildings in town.

1367
01:24:50,270 --> 01:24:55,850
Another couple of photos, this is what existing looks like today,

1368
01:24:56,590 --> 01:25:02,290
looking to the east and then what the proposed is, you know, very, very similar.

1369
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:06,170
We are currently working with the town staff on the CMA agreement,

1370
01:25:06,530 --> 01:25:08,110
construction management agreement.

1371
01:25:09,030 --> 01:25:11,990
There's a couple of things that I thought were interesting about it.

1372
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:12,990
It's not done.

1373
01:25:13,450 --> 01:25:14,730
We don't see any issues.

1374
01:25:15,130 --> 01:25:19,370
We have town staff and the construction teams have been working on it.

1375
01:25:19,370 --> 01:25:23,410
are going back and forth, a couple of things though. Construction hours, we're going to follow

1376
01:25:23,410 --> 01:25:26,170
the towns construction hours. That's the end of it.

1377
01:25:26,710 --> 01:25:32,830
Another thing that I thought was interesting, and we could talk about it, in the CMA, is if

1378
01:25:32,830 --> 01:25:38,390
something goes different than what we thought, and someone from the public needs to contact

1379
01:25:38,390 --> 01:25:42,690
somebody, there's three different people. There's a general superintendent from Suffolk

1380
01:25:42,690 --> 01:25:48,270
that lives on the side every single day. There's a cell phone. There's a Z-mail. There's one

1381
01:25:48,270 --> 01:25:53,390
the Vice President's executives at Suffolk, their Sir Self-Ode, and then we have the

1382
01:25:53,390 --> 01:25:57,850
under's rep, John Donahue, who there says Self-Fone and his email.

1383
01:25:58,550 --> 01:26:04,070
So that's part of the CMA agreement, but there have been projects that we've been involved

1384
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:08,510
in other municipalities where he did things like websites and things, you know, this looks

1385
01:26:08,510 --> 01:26:13,370
like a really good approach to something, you know, so much parked in front of my house

1386
01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:18,470
on C-view, what do I do, probably called John and tell him to get over there and move the

1387
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:18,670
car.

1388
01:26:19,930 --> 01:26:22,490
But I'll leave that to you at the CMA process.

1389
01:26:24,090 --> 01:26:27,790
This is just a couple of renderings wanted to remind everybody, this is what the building

1390
01:26:27,790 --> 01:26:32,070
Revency is going to look like when it's done, pretty much what it looks like today with

1391
01:26:32,070 --> 01:26:35,010
these exception of a little addition to the north.

1392
01:26:36,830 --> 01:26:40,490
This is the other side of the Revency.

1393
01:26:40,490 --> 01:26:49,570
This is O'Keefe. This is one of the sacred elevations that essentially doesn't change, and this is the north side of O'Keefe.

1394
01:26:51,050 --> 01:26:54,170
And that's it. So we're here and talking to answer any questions.

1395
01:26:55,570 --> 01:26:56,750
Okay, let's see, Lou.

1396
01:26:57,690 --> 01:27:01,070
Yeah, with respect to the CMA, construction management agreement.

1397
01:27:02,850 --> 01:27:09,910
Does that contain the requirement to shuttle workers from West Palm over to the job site?

1398
01:27:13,190 --> 01:27:15,450
So your workers will be shuddled.

1399
01:27:15,790 --> 01:27:16,750
It says if need be.

1400
01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:20,290
My name is Greg Lewis, Conquying Lewis construction.

1401
01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:21,230
And yes.

1402
01:27:22,210 --> 01:27:35,870
Second question, can we expect from you weekly reports on progress and what you have planned on the agenda for the next week?

1403
01:27:36,130 --> 01:27:38,650
That would be going to rain, not to us down here.

1404
01:27:38,650 --> 01:27:39,690
Sure, of course.

1405
01:27:40,050 --> 01:27:40,970
Be happy to.

1406
01:27:41,630 --> 01:27:46,770
And the full number of the foremen on the job so that Wayne can get in touch with them when

1407
01:27:46,770 --> 01:27:47,370
that's required.

1408
01:27:48,950 --> 01:27:54,930
And then the big issue is, you know, what can we expect Keith and when before season starts

1409
01:27:54,930 --> 01:27:56,170
in 2027?

1410
01:27:56,370 --> 01:28:03,010
I mean, this looks like a traffic bomb to me, is that how are we going to handle, you know,

1411
01:28:03,090 --> 01:28:06,570
making that left turn as you come across the bridge and people are coming the other way

1412
01:28:06,570 --> 01:28:10,430
They're heading west, and all that construction traffic is flowing on and off.

1413
01:28:10,430 --> 01:28:12,070
How is that process going to be managed?

1414
01:28:14,330 --> 01:28:17,430
So, you know, the construction management agreement talks about it.

1415
01:28:17,470 --> 01:28:18,510
I'll be in the construction management agreement.

1416
01:28:18,510 --> 01:28:21,530
Yes, I'm not sure if we have a vehicle circulation.

1417
01:28:21,930 --> 01:28:23,350
I mean, I think it's pretty straightforward.

1418
01:28:23,510 --> 01:28:24,810
We're coming over the middle bridge.

1419
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:26,210
We're taking a left.

1420
01:28:26,210 --> 01:28:30,170
We're going to have time sure have some sort of, I'm assuming here, Wayne.

1421
01:28:30,530 --> 01:28:36,110
We're going to have some sort of police control to help traffic get across, you know, the Westbound lane.

1422
01:28:36,110 --> 01:28:37,590
Would you be hiring a detail?

1423
01:28:38,210 --> 01:28:40,990
I'm not sure if that's in the CMA or not.

1424
01:28:41,490 --> 01:28:43,150
Wayne, is it appropriate to ask you that?

1425
01:28:43,850 --> 01:28:45,410
I think you may have to.

1426
01:28:45,630 --> 01:28:46,170
Sure.

1427
01:28:46,710 --> 01:28:51,990
If we need to, I mean, our intent is to have flag men and have traffic control.

1428
01:28:52,230 --> 01:28:54,050
But we certainly are aware of it.

1429
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:59,370
The good thing is that it's quickly on and quickly off.

1430
01:28:59,890 --> 01:29:03,210
The island, so it's not a lot of traffic through.

1431
01:29:03,210 --> 01:29:15,330
When do you anticipate the major amount of traffic heading over and on will that be during season or after season just in terms of your estimate of the activity going on off that site?

1432
01:29:15,770 --> 01:29:23,810
Sure, so the construction is kind of 18 months. So we're going to hit every month. The good news is we're starting in May 1st. So we'll hit the off season twice.

1433
01:29:25,070 --> 01:29:31,750
And we, as Greg said, you know, the great news this site is inches inside across the other side of the bridge.

1434
01:29:32,210 --> 01:29:38,490
It is also very, very unique in the amount of land area that we have on the construction site.

1435
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:46,030
We have, as I showed in the logistics plan, we have an enormous amount of staging areas.

1436
01:29:46,190 --> 01:29:49,210
We have, we're going to maintain access to the pump station.

1437
01:29:49,210 --> 01:29:53,330
We're going to have tons of very, for cars to park, drop off.

1438
01:29:53,450 --> 01:29:59,970
We can bring big semis in, we can unload, steal, and concrete without having to disrupt the public.

1439
01:30:00,110 --> 01:30:11,450
So I think that's one of the unique sites that has so much land area, quick access, get a flagman out there in the morning and get them out of there at the end of the day.

1440
01:30:11,690 --> 01:30:24,190
I mean, what we all will be watching is that corner right there, and the fact that there already is a lot of traffic going by east and west there, and you're going to cross it.

1441
01:30:24,190 --> 01:30:30,470
So I suggest that you may want to think about hiring a police detail, although very much

1442
01:30:30,470 --> 01:30:32,130
are the police will be there anyway.

1443
01:30:33,210 --> 01:30:39,230
But that is something that I have heard a lot of angst agitas about.

1444
01:30:39,870 --> 01:30:43,250
So please devote some extra time to figuring this thing out.

1445
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:44,810
I'll go watch it.

1446
01:30:44,850 --> 01:30:45,250
Otherwise, it's a bomb.

1447
01:30:45,470 --> 01:30:48,970
On the site, like just six evening, it shows the vlogger at that intersection.

1448
01:30:49,890 --> 01:30:53,590
The thing that was interesting is we've talked a lot about this before today.

1449
01:30:53,590 --> 01:30:59,990
And Suffolk and Concalulus have got complete buy-in from every single subcontractor.

1450
01:31:00,190 --> 01:31:06,170
You know, you get one vehicle that are coming, they're dropping people off, and they're going back across the bridge.

1451
01:31:06,510 --> 01:31:11,470
And so that's a little unique in that we, you know, other projects we've seen, we surprise them.

1452
01:31:11,470 --> 01:31:13,230
Hey, you can't bring six cars over.

1453
01:31:13,610 --> 01:31:15,330
They're like, well, what do you mean? What am I supposed to say?

1454
01:31:15,690 --> 01:31:19,770
We've gone to great detail anticipating the impact of the project.

1455
01:31:19,770 --> 01:31:20,810
Okay, a lot of work on that.

1456
01:31:20,890 --> 01:31:24,130
And again, the shuddling is, the shuddling is much appreciated.

1457
01:31:24,870 --> 01:31:31,490
Yes, there are services that we utilize and have utilized on projects we're just finishing

1458
01:31:31,490 --> 01:31:32,290
up.

1459
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:39,650
Also, we've looked at bringing a cranes in and leaving them so that we're not moving cranes

1460
01:31:39,650 --> 01:31:48,670
in and out for daily basis, so that, again, to try to minimize any traffic to the town.

1461
01:31:48,670 --> 01:31:56,370
And one more question is four arts planning to have a very active season next year and then

1462
01:31:56,370 --> 01:32:00,150
in terms of its programming, so the programming is going on at the same time as construction.

1463
01:32:01,190 --> 01:32:05,650
So there will be programming, and it's obviously limited to the Dixon and the gardens.

1464
01:32:06,270 --> 01:32:10,750
So it's obviously a, you know, one thing they do at the program and it for arts is a lot of it is, you know,

1465
01:32:11,230 --> 01:32:18,250
video, uh, transmitted, and so I think, you know, clearly, we don't have the whole entire

1466
01:32:18,250 --> 01:32:23,910
theater. So we can get back to you on probably more specifics about that.

1467
01:32:24,590 --> 01:32:30,910
Okay. I mean just managing that plus the traffic. It's a major undertaking and it's right

1468
01:32:30,910 --> 01:32:34,110
in the heart of our traffic knot.

1469
01:32:34,410 --> 01:32:35,950
Yep. If you will. Thank you.

1470
01:32:36,030 --> 01:32:41,470
And the four on is committed to be a good neighbor as they always have been and they are making

1471
01:32:41,470 --> 01:32:50,810
sure that we represent them well and our cognizant of making sure that their reputation is maintained.

1472
01:32:51,070 --> 01:32:51,710
Much appreciated.

1473
01:32:52,170 --> 01:32:52,250
Thank you.

1474
01:32:52,250 --> 01:32:52,830
Okay, Bridget.

1475
01:32:54,190 --> 01:32:56,230
You have some really good things going for you.

1476
01:32:56,230 --> 01:33:00,690
I think that your screening is going to be remarkable and that it's a new idea.

1477
01:33:01,570 --> 01:33:05,030
And I love I'm speaking to somebody very nice woman.

1478
01:33:05,570 --> 01:33:10,590
And she says you bought three of them, so I'll expect it to look really good throughout the whole project.

1479
01:33:10,590 --> 01:33:18,170
project. In reference to your cell phone number, somebody on our street does this. It's not my project,

1480
01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:23,090
but it is a good idea. Post one phone number outside of your project for residents to call.

1481
01:33:23,710 --> 01:33:28,450
I've done it on Dunbar. I get the GC there. I'm like, you know, you've got to take care of this. It's usually

1482
01:33:28,450 --> 01:33:34,130
addressed in a half hour. And it might reduce the phone calls to Wayne. And sometimes things are just simple.

1483
01:33:34,270 --> 01:33:39,090
You know, and I think if you can make somebody happy, relatively quickly, that's a good thing to do.

1484
01:33:39,090 --> 01:33:47,310
Can you tell me when will you you'll be closing the north side walk on the bridge and the bike path you'll be rerouting it when can we expect to see that?

1485
01:33:48,750 --> 01:33:49,010
So

1486
01:33:50,550 --> 01:33:55,890
We so we're gonna put the screening up and when the screening goes up if you're on the bike trail

1487
01:33:55,890 --> 01:33:59,870
You start heading south. You're gonna run into a chain length fence. Do you think that's going to be may one?

1488
01:34:00,190 --> 01:34:02,450
It's gonna be really close really close to being one

1489
01:34:02,450 --> 01:34:07,550
Yeah, the other is is the scaffolding that goes on roll palm way over the sidewalk

1490
01:34:07,550 --> 01:34:09,530
that's going to be up as well.

1491
01:34:09,990 --> 01:34:12,150
So those are two things that, you know,

1492
01:34:12,310 --> 01:34:13,950
they're coming and they're coming quick.

1493
01:34:14,770 --> 01:34:17,950
And then when they're done, we've talked about it.

1494
01:34:18,090 --> 01:34:18,990
Look, we'd love to.

1495
01:34:19,110 --> 01:34:21,930
We won't take the screen walls down

1496
01:34:21,930 --> 01:34:24,650
until the very end of the project from safety

1497
01:34:24,650 --> 01:34:26,270
and just a bunch of good reasons.

1498
01:34:26,890 --> 01:34:31,850
But we, you know, and so I'm guessing it's November of 27

1499
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:34,470
when the lake trail will go right back through

1500
01:34:34,470 --> 01:34:36,950
where it does and comes out on roll palm

1501
01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:42,810
where it does today. And I also wanted to encourage you to try and finish by November 1

1502
01:34:42,810 --> 01:34:47,810
because we all agreed that our season now starts November 1. So if you could do that,

1503
01:34:47,810 --> 01:34:54,150
that would be great. And you might consider, you know, so construction is just basically a

1504
01:34:54,150 --> 01:34:59,690
series of subs coming in. Just have more of them and take advantage of all of the extra hours

1505
01:34:59,690 --> 01:35:04,170
that we're giving you. So instead of you might be one of those projects that instead of cutting the

1506
01:35:04,170 --> 01:35:10,470
our day somewhere in between there, you might just consider going full throttle so to get

1507
01:35:10,470 --> 01:35:16,250
trying to get it done. I'd like to not see it, you know, extensions on this project

1508
01:35:16,250 --> 01:35:23,030
if it all possible. I agree with you exactly. I don't know if there's, you know, should we

1509
01:35:23,030 --> 01:35:27,950
be proactive and start talking about extended hours? We're not. No, I don't mean extended hours,

1510
01:35:28,230 --> 01:35:33,990
but I think that over the last year we've extended the hours. So you can go a little later

1511
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:40,210
You can have the construction hours so you're going to have more hours in the day so take advantage of that

1512
01:35:40,210 --> 01:35:42,650
Yes, we will be working every minute

1513
01:35:42,650 --> 01:35:49,810
Earlier every minute that there's allowed to be hundreds of people working on this shop site. We're going to be doing that. Okay

1514
01:35:51,230 --> 01:35:53,110
And good luck and I hope it goes well

1515
01:35:53,850 --> 01:35:55,110
It will be Julie

1516
01:35:55,110 --> 01:35:58,710
Just a couple of things. I did think that we should

1517
01:35:59,950 --> 01:36:01,650
perhaps will first of all

1518
01:36:02,850 --> 01:36:07,250
The neighborhood that I live in, which is small, you know, it's just called a sack.

1519
01:36:07,970 --> 01:36:15,350
And the few neighbors on the street next door, they knocked on our doors, called us, gave us the numbers,

1520
01:36:15,590 --> 01:36:21,730
and I really recommend that especially in that because there aren't that many that you get to them

1521
01:36:21,730 --> 01:36:26,790
and make sure they have a phone number to call, and it was such a pleasant experience

1522
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:31,750
because if I ever had an issue, I could actually give me the owner's name, I could call him

1523
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:38,030
direct and he took care of everything of the building company. I would ask the council

1524
01:36:38,030 --> 01:36:45,150
and, whereas you know, I normally wouldn't ask this, but if we talk to the neighbors that are,

1525
01:36:45,150 --> 01:36:51,550
as I remember, there are only like four or five neighbors there, you know, on CVU, is that one

1526
01:36:51,550 --> 01:36:53,290
And there's some parking lot in that.

1527
01:36:53,690 --> 01:36:57,730
You see, for the other ones I'm talking about right next to it.

1528
01:36:57,790 --> 01:37:01,530
You know, it may be that if we talk to them,

1529
01:37:01,530 --> 01:37:04,770
that they wouldn't be affected by earlier,

1530
01:37:04,890 --> 01:37:07,310
or even just give them an earlier arrival

1531
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:13,690
because that is with Trump, with them now closing that road,

1532
01:37:14,490 --> 01:37:18,030
it's taking an hour to get on island and an hour to get off.

1533
01:37:18,030 --> 01:37:29,970
So, I'm just wondering if we should look at this isn't today, but look at maybe allowing them to come a little earlier and start a little earlier because of that area so that they're out.

1534
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:39,300
For the way, but I don't know. I mean, I just want to see how those neighbors feel, but it seems to me that in this particular instance, let them come even earlier.

1535
01:37:40,260 --> 01:37:50,340
And Julie, I actually have that, you may not want to, but I do think, because it's so contained in some respects, and you've got, you know where the residents are that are affected.

1536
01:37:50,340 --> 01:37:54,060
And you could actually have a power with them.

1537
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:57,780
And I don't think there's not that many of them that it might not make sense.

1538
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:02,520
I think it would make sense for you to do that because we don't want to come and ask us

1539
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:05,660
for extra hours and then have them all scream at us because we did it.

1540
01:38:05,780 --> 01:38:06,500
We brought them to the right.

1541
01:38:06,780 --> 01:38:07,660
We brought them to them first.

1542
01:38:08,420 --> 01:38:10,180
And I think they would get in the loop.

1543
01:38:10,280 --> 01:38:11,940
So we've had problems.

1544
01:38:12,180 --> 01:38:15,920
I sat through probably five or six C-view neighbor meetings.

1545
01:38:16,060 --> 01:38:19,360
We had, I think we went one street north and we know them all.

1546
01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:22,060
I think 80% of them are members of the four arts and

1547
01:38:22,060 --> 01:38:23,740
or huge supporters of the project.

1548
01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:25,700
But we'd love to do exactly what you're describing.

1549
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:27,860
So maybe we'll stop the neighborhood meeting.

1550
01:38:28,180 --> 01:38:31,400
We'll get somebody to agree and sign a little thing

1551
01:38:31,400 --> 01:38:33,860
that they're showing support of earlier,

1552
01:38:34,180 --> 01:38:35,720
get on the island, get out of the way,

1553
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:37,500
and get off the way.

1554
01:38:37,780 --> 01:38:42,860
Well, it's also, well, if the neighbors are good,

1555
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:45,060
if the neighbors are good with you,

1556
01:38:45,220 --> 01:38:47,760
we're getting work earlier, or even working on Saturday,

1557
01:38:47,760 --> 01:39:05,140
You know, I don't think that we would be opposed to that because we've been, you know, we've been experimenting with this over in the north end in places for incremental improvements in daily traffic and particularly exiting and entering and we are seeing in incremental improvements.

1558
01:39:05,620 --> 01:39:07,560
Right, I think we all sell the announcement right.

1559
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:09,380
It's Southern's closed indefinitely.

1560
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:12,500
Right now it is just right, whoever brought it up.

1561
01:39:12,500 --> 01:39:13,300
whether he's in touch.

1562
01:39:13,300 --> 01:39:14,220
I was in touch.

1563
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:17,480
So we don't know how to talk about that.

1564
01:39:18,400 --> 01:39:18,620
Yeah.

1565
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:19,900
And then the third thing.

1566
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,120
So I think that might work.

1567
01:39:22,760 --> 01:39:26,400
But as long as you don't think you can work until the traffic hours.

1568
01:39:26,500 --> 01:39:32,220
So if we let you on early in start work, we need to set an earlier hours for them to get

1569
01:39:32,220 --> 01:39:33,600
off before the traffic.

1570
01:39:35,460 --> 01:39:38,160
I mean, I wouldn't.

1571
01:39:38,280 --> 01:39:42,180
Well, I think you monitored carefully like we did in other areas.

1572
01:39:42,180 --> 01:39:43,540
I mean, maybe they work works.

1573
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:45,240
You know, let it go, if it doesn't work,

1574
01:39:45,240 --> 01:39:46,320
during you change it.

1575
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:49,220
That big rush hour, whoa, right now.

1576
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:51,980
And then my other question, last thing,

1577
01:39:53,780 --> 01:39:57,400
is, get neighbors to the full house and instruction.

1578
01:39:58,880 --> 01:40:01,280
I'll have to think about this kind of come back to me.

1579
01:40:01,440 --> 01:40:02,880
Yes, I know what I'm writing here.

1580
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:03,900
OK, Donnie.

1581
01:40:05,120 --> 01:40:10,520
The one comment I'd make you, since I think now,

1582
01:40:10,520 --> 01:40:17,120
the worst rush hour traffic on the island is actually between three and four, or three

1583
01:40:17,120 --> 01:40:22,960
thirty and four thirty, it's no longer 45. I mean, I think we move the last

1584
01:40:22,960 --> 01:40:24,680
capers into the earlier zone,

1585
01:40:26,700 --> 01:40:32,400
and I mean, it's clear at four thirty. You know,

1586
01:40:36,090 --> 01:40:36,430
a horrible

1587
01:40:36,430 --> 01:40:41,210
traffic, she leaves our house at four ten. So I don't know that it's four thirty anymore

1588
01:40:41,210 --> 01:40:42,510
with that road closed?

1589
01:40:42,810 --> 01:40:47,910
Well, I'm just saying, I mean, when I did it the other day, it took me 45 minutes to get

1590
01:40:47,910 --> 01:40:55,530
from more amorphalorous to Pendleton, however, when I did it the following day, the following

1591
01:40:55,530 --> 01:41:03,450
work day, business day, at 330, it was completely clear at 430 going that same way.

1592
01:41:03,750 --> 01:41:07,870
So it, you know, a lot of it depends on the day I understand that, but I just think we have to

1593
01:41:07,870 --> 01:41:15,930
I think about that. And I'm not picking on you, Keith, or your project, the way I think it'll all be worked out in the CMI.

1594
01:41:17,390 --> 01:41:22,570
Yeah, I don't know if the subcontractors would agree. We'd love to come early and leave late.

1595
01:41:22,830 --> 01:41:27,210
That's what the goal would be, but I don't know if we can talk people there.

1596
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:28,810
Are they going to answer that question over time?

1597
01:41:29,330 --> 01:41:33,990
I can tell you, from a construction standpoint, we just assume work is many hours as we can,

1598
01:41:33,990 --> 01:41:37,870
because we all know that towards the end of the project, things happen.

1599
01:41:38,010 --> 01:41:40,250
And we'd rather be as far along as possible.

1600
01:41:40,870 --> 01:41:45,070
So again, everybody has the same goal just to finish on time.

1601
01:41:45,410 --> 01:41:45,570
Yeah.

1602
01:41:45,970 --> 01:41:47,910
Well, I still, you know, I think you're going to do this,

1603
01:41:47,950 --> 01:41:50,490
but I suggest you take our senior staff with you

1604
01:41:50,490 --> 01:41:53,550
and you go meet with the residents that are the most affected in there

1605
01:41:53,550 --> 01:41:56,050
because they come back with a plan for us.

1606
01:41:56,810 --> 01:41:59,210
And the residents are supportive.

1607
01:41:59,490 --> 01:42:00,270
We'll try it.

1608
01:42:00,410 --> 01:42:01,390
I think we'll be the right.

1609
01:42:01,470 --> 01:42:02,330
We'll see if it works.

1610
01:42:02,330 --> 01:42:03,730
Yeah, I agree.

1611
01:42:04,510 --> 01:42:04,670
Yeah.

1612
01:42:04,970 --> 01:42:06,650
Wouldn't be happy to work with with with.

1613
01:42:06,870 --> 01:42:09,250
But make sure you take senior staff with you too.

1614
01:42:09,750 --> 01:42:12,490
Because make sure your owner's rep is a friendly person.

1615
01:42:13,550 --> 01:42:14,670
Because we don't want to surprise.

1616
01:42:15,290 --> 01:42:18,190
They need to know exactly what you're planning to do to.

1617
01:42:18,590 --> 01:42:21,530
And we know this because we've experimented with it.

1618
01:42:21,730 --> 01:42:22,530
We can do it.

1619
01:42:22,690 --> 01:42:24,250
We've been doing that the whole entire time.

1620
01:42:24,370 --> 01:42:26,390
It had great results in it.

1621
01:42:26,390 --> 01:42:27,130
It's a great idea.

1622
01:42:27,830 --> 01:42:29,150
Okay, you'll welcome back to you.

1623
01:42:30,410 --> 01:42:31,570
Bridges first and then Julie.

1624
01:42:31,570 --> 01:42:35,310
No, I just, I would, I'm actually surprised Julie suggested it.

1625
01:42:35,310 --> 01:42:37,690
I think it's an excellent suggestion for that area.

1626
01:42:38,570 --> 01:42:41,890
But I would, I would say yes, start earlier, stay later,

1627
01:42:42,190 --> 01:42:45,030
get it done as fast as you can, as just let them name it.

1628
01:42:45,230 --> 01:42:47,350
The release amount of impact to the need of it.

1629
01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:48,530
I think that's the goal.

1630
01:42:49,830 --> 01:42:50,150
Yeah.

1631
01:42:50,210 --> 01:42:51,950
So I think that's a wonderful idea.

1632
01:42:52,250 --> 01:42:53,250
And I, I would support it.

1633
01:42:53,250 --> 01:42:56,790
I hope you can work something out with Wayne and his department

1634
01:42:56,790 --> 01:42:57,890
in your CMA.

1635
01:42:58,950 --> 01:43:00,050
For my gang grade progress.

1636
01:43:01,110 --> 01:43:01,670
Okay.

1637
01:43:03,110 --> 01:43:04,030
Anybody from the public?

1638
01:43:04,090 --> 01:43:04,510
I don't know.

1639
01:43:04,610 --> 01:43:05,910
I remembered what I was saying.

1640
01:43:06,690 --> 01:43:07,130
I remember.

1641
01:43:07,210 --> 01:43:07,950
I couldn't remember.

1642
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:08,610
Okay.

1643
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:09,970
I remember.

1644
01:43:11,410 --> 01:43:17,710
So the only thing I would like is coordination with your flag man with a police department

1645
01:43:17,710 --> 01:43:24,130
because we have to make sure that you're not stopping it too much when we're trying to get flow off

1646
01:43:24,130 --> 01:43:25,310
and flow on.

1647
01:43:25,950 --> 01:43:29,030
So I think it's you may need to have the police department there.

1648
01:43:29,030 --> 01:43:46,090
I think it should be the police department when you should have somebody there from the police department, because we don't want you constantly interrupting the flow, even if you guys says he won't, you know he's going to do it.

1649
01:43:46,090 --> 01:43:46,290
Sure.

1650
01:43:47,370 --> 01:43:48,030
Thank you.

1651
01:43:48,450 --> 01:43:48,910
Thank you.

1652
01:44:02,990 --> 01:44:04,110
Thank you.

1653
01:44:04,450 --> 01:44:05,390
Thank you.

1654
01:44:05,390 --> 01:44:05,630
Thank you.

1655
01:44:05,630 --> 01:44:06,850
I think we're fine.

1656
01:44:06,970 --> 01:44:09,370
And nobody from public wanted to speak about this, so.

1657
01:44:10,430 --> 01:44:10,870
You're out.

1658
01:44:11,170 --> 01:44:12,410
Thank you very much.

1659
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:13,750
All right.

1660
01:44:14,410 --> 01:44:18,910
Okay, so the next one I have is all the way over.

1661
01:44:19,170 --> 01:44:24,750
We've got time-certains deferred, royal palm.

1662
01:44:25,590 --> 01:44:26,610
One for number 12.

1663
01:44:26,770 --> 01:44:27,410
Number 12.

1664
01:44:27,590 --> 01:44:28,770
151 worth avenue.

1665
01:44:29,150 --> 01:44:30,070
What did you want for the anniversary?

1666
01:44:32,210 --> 01:44:34,490
And that's on page 121 on your back up.

1667
01:44:37,570 --> 01:44:40,250
Who are we going to for our staff or to Jamie?

1668
01:44:44,570 --> 01:44:47,030
Good morning, are you okay if I speak Bobby?

1669
01:44:47,390 --> 01:44:47,410
Yeah.

1670
01:44:47,410 --> 01:44:49,550
Good morning, Jamie Crowley for the record.

1671
01:44:49,890 --> 01:44:50,770
I'm going to go staff next.

1672
01:44:51,290 --> 01:44:57,870
So there's really no rush to get this done other than the fact that we had the prior declaration of use.

1673
01:44:58,410 --> 01:44:59,970
And I tried the last time.

1674
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,560
So before you to say that that prior declaration of use needs to go away so we can start our permitting.

1675
01:45:06,220 --> 01:45:09,940
But just to be absolutely clear that we're working on this, I brought this to you today.

1676
01:45:11,060 --> 01:45:21,920
I did submit a draft to staff and James, I don't want to speak for you, but I think James thought we don't need to be addressing the restaurant in this version of it because that's going to come back to you.

1677
01:45:21,920 --> 01:45:27,720
So to simplify things, I just tried to take the very general terms of what you all approved

1678
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:31,040
at the last meeting as it pertains to the overall project, which is the gross lease

1679
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:34,700
of the area of the retail, the gross lease of the area of a future restaurant, the

1680
01:45:34,700 --> 01:45:38,160
variance is you approved, and the special exceptions you approved.

1681
01:45:39,420 --> 01:45:45,060
I did add in here that the green space on Peruvian would always remain green space.

1682
01:45:45,580 --> 01:45:47,640
So we don't want to do future parking there.

1683
01:45:47,640 --> 01:45:50,180
We'd like to keep that for the benefit of the neighbors.

1684
01:45:52,420 --> 01:45:56,700
With respect to trash, of course, we have the onsite loading bay that will handle the

1685
01:45:56,700 --> 01:45:56,840
trash.

1686
01:45:56,920 --> 01:45:59,280
There's no need to take it outside off the property.

1687
01:45:59,880 --> 01:46:05,560
The deliveries will happen before the retail is open because you granted a variance for

1688
01:46:05,560 --> 01:46:11,000
us to use that portion of the driveway, which has sort of makeshift loading bay, which

1689
01:46:11,000 --> 01:46:15,500
does not meet the criteria of the code, but will work very well for loading and unloading.

1690
01:46:15,500 --> 01:46:17,600
And we also have the loading spaces on the street.

1691
01:46:18,720 --> 01:46:20,120
So I can either go through these.

1692
01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:24,460
I think it's very easy or probably better just to answer

1693
01:46:24,460 --> 01:46:25,480
questions if you have any.

1694
01:46:25,600 --> 01:46:27,980
And then, of course, we're coming back whenever there's a restaurant

1695
01:46:27,980 --> 01:46:28,420
tenant.

1696
01:46:28,880 --> 01:46:32,000
And I'm happy to say we did get all the approvals at our comm.

1697
01:46:32,300 --> 01:46:35,240
So we want to get cranking as soon as we can,

1698
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,280
when the worth of any construction hours open up.

1699
01:46:37,420 --> 01:46:39,160
And then I did see the emails about notice.

1700
01:46:39,400 --> 01:46:44,080
And I'll just, so a couple of neighbors, I guess,

1701
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:47,200
in or property owners that said they did not receive notice of the application.

1702
01:46:47,500 --> 01:46:52,720
So I went back and I checked with our staff and what happens is you take the, you go to the,

1703
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:56,480
you take the property appraisers data for who lives within a certain radius.

1704
01:46:56,600 --> 01:46:57,860
And that's what we did on this property.

1705
01:46:58,060 --> 01:47:02,360
The people were within that radius and the mail notices sent to the address that the property

1706
01:47:02,360 --> 01:47:06,040
appraisers has on file for those people, some of which are not in town.

1707
01:47:06,380 --> 01:47:09,940
So some of them might own a piece of property here, but have a mailing address on Papa.

1708
01:47:10,160 --> 01:47:12,000
That's in Washington, D.C. or someone like that.

1709
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:18,540
So I did hear from one neighbor that said that she did not receive notice and I reached out

1710
01:47:18,540 --> 01:47:22,500
to her and I said I'm happy to speak with you at any time and I did not hear back from

1711
01:47:22,500 --> 01:47:27,740
that particular person but we did follow the procedures and I can't explain why they did

1712
01:47:27,740 --> 01:47:28,400
not receive it.

1713
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:31,660
I can just tell you that we nailed it and we followed your procedures to do that.

1714
01:47:31,660 --> 01:47:34,800
That doesn't pertain to this particular application but I just want to get that on the record

1715
01:47:35,500 --> 01:47:39,820
that we did and I'm always happy to reach out to anyone who has questions about any of my

1716
01:47:41,340 --> 01:47:43,440
So, I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have.

1717
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,060
When we've got the bread, we're lit up here.

1718
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:47,980
Bridget, Julie, Ted.

1719
01:47:48,660 --> 01:47:48,780
Okay.

1720
01:47:50,100 --> 01:47:50,780
So, Jamie, thank you.

1721
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:53,080
I love it for the most part.

1722
01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:54,380
It's largely really fine.

1723
01:47:54,540 --> 01:47:55,760
So, thanks for doing such a good job.

1724
01:47:55,920 --> 01:47:57,720
I wanted to just say three things.

1725
01:47:57,840 --> 01:48:02,940
I think we do need to reserve room here for the restaurant when that comes.

1726
01:48:03,640 --> 01:48:07,460
And take a look at who they are and what they're about and do that.

1727
01:48:07,460 --> 01:48:14,380
On item nine, you just, you, extra will not be taken after the dumpster, I think that just needs to be fixed.

1728
01:48:14,640 --> 01:48:17,240
All trash shall be stored inside property.

1729
01:48:17,480 --> 01:48:19,300
You're going to take it out at some point, you know.

1730
01:48:19,500 --> 01:48:20,260
Store inside the property.

1731
01:48:20,460 --> 01:48:21,040
Well, they have the-

1732
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:26,620
So just the closet that you put in the paramount, we'll take it out as soon before collection is possible.

1733
01:48:27,400 --> 01:48:28,620
The dumpsters within the building.

1734
01:48:28,920 --> 01:48:29,640
Oh, then great.

1735
01:48:29,940 --> 01:48:31,100
Then that's why that's why that's why.

1736
01:48:31,960 --> 01:48:35,760
And the other one is under article.

1737
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:41,380
So six, the first paragraph last sentence, why are you taking that out?

1738
01:48:41,440 --> 01:48:46,200
The current council may upon finding a violation, also the agreement, or we send the approval

1739
01:48:46,200 --> 01:48:46,740
of use.

1740
01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:51,600
I liked that in there, I'm just wanting to know why you wanted to take that out.

1741
01:48:51,740 --> 01:48:54,820
I don't mind, I don't mind the first part of the second part.

1742
01:48:54,820 --> 01:48:58,880
I think there needs to be some kind of process whereby we can come and speak before you

1743
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:01,980
guys just decide you're going to rescind the approval of the use.

1744
01:49:02,420 --> 01:49:03,660
I don't know what that process would be.

1745
01:49:03,660 --> 01:49:05,360
I'm happy to work with Joanne on something.

1746
01:49:05,580 --> 01:49:08,260
I'm not saying that you guys should not have the power

1747
01:49:08,260 --> 01:49:10,520
if someone is repeatedly ignoring you

1748
01:49:10,520 --> 01:49:12,180
and not living up to what they said they would do.

1749
01:49:12,280 --> 01:49:13,400
I think that is within your power

1750
01:49:13,400 --> 01:49:15,280
to go through code enforcement and do that.

1751
01:49:15,400 --> 01:49:17,320
I just want to work on that since it looks

1752
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:18,740
so it would have a little more teeth in it.

1753
01:49:19,460 --> 01:49:21,500
I just, I just, I like to say that.

1754
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:24,520
As far as the first part, as far as the first part,

1755
01:49:24,580 --> 01:49:27,160
I think that you can adjust that agreement

1756
01:49:27,160 --> 01:49:28,580
that's within your purview.

1757
01:49:29,180 --> 01:49:31,380
We would have to come back before you and talk about it.

1758
01:49:31,380 --> 01:49:45,040
But I just didn't feel comfortable with that language the way it was written with no understanding of what the process would be to try to revoke, and I don't know that there's anything in the code about revocation of a use, if there is, maybe we can just track that language.

1759
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:48,380
We can work together on that.

1760
01:49:48,380 --> 01:49:52,660
And I also wanted to know, Jamie, because it had come up with the paramount that we have been

1761
01:49:52,660 --> 01:49:59,020
including language in our declarations of use that site to floor to statute 162.09,

1762
01:49:59,220 --> 01:50:04,020
which allows the code enforcement board to let me find some up to $5,000 if there's irreparable.

1763
01:50:04,120 --> 01:50:07,980
We'll just take from that agreement that this was just an earlier version of that.

1764
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:10,900
Yep, they should be because we're everyone else is getting there.

1765
01:50:11,100 --> 01:50:15,480
Yeah. And then I just want to, the language I had, is that has to be adjudicated by the code enforcement

1766
01:50:15,480 --> 01:50:19,780
board and so it's clear that that's the process. So again this is more about the process

1767
01:50:19,780 --> 01:50:24,060
of how that gets there but you should certainly have that power if someone is ignoring

1768
01:50:24,060 --> 01:50:29,500
your requirements. So those were my only questions comment so then that I thought it was a really

1769
01:50:29,500 --> 01:50:34,320
good job. And Bridget we do have in here that we've we definitely have to come back when there's a

1770
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:38,380
restaurant tenant that's going to be a special exception and then they will be added to this agreement

1771
01:50:38,380 --> 01:50:45,460
or I think it makes more sense to have them as a party to this agreement but we could do it

1772
01:50:46,120 --> 01:50:50,260
Either way, it's fine with me just now but I think that we want up them a party to the agreement.

1773
01:50:50,780 --> 01:50:58,180
And I, you know, that's myself. Okay, so Julie, Ted, I think Ted, Ted, I'm going to give it to you first and then I'll go.

1774
01:50:58,480 --> 01:51:00,180
Okay, Ted, that's a lot of time to speak.

1775
01:51:01,580 --> 01:51:06,940
Yeah, thanks for addressing the notice I'd heard from two property owners, both behind the building.

1776
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:13,540
One was in DC, one had a local mailing address, I looked into it, so I'm not sure how they missed that.

1777
01:51:13,540 --> 01:51:17,440
If you give me the second, I only have the one.

1778
01:51:17,560 --> 01:51:21,660
I know the other address is 156 Peruvian Avenue,

1779
01:51:21,800 --> 01:51:24,320
and it's showing a mailing address at the same location.

1780
01:51:24,900 --> 01:51:26,520
Okay, so I will look into that today.

1781
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:29,620
And that's an LLC, but it's controlled by Emily Clifford,

1782
01:51:29,720 --> 01:51:30,660
who lives on the substrates.

1783
01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:32,640
I will get to the bottom of that.

1784
01:51:34,020 --> 01:51:36,380
Yeah, I think this is all pretty good.

1785
01:51:36,380 --> 01:51:42,020
The only thing I would like to see some additional language on

1786
01:51:42,020 --> 01:51:43,760
is on the Peruvian parcel.

1787
01:51:45,480 --> 01:51:46,660
It's, I mean, it's smack.

1788
01:51:46,740 --> 01:51:50,000
It's on a single family street between two single family homes.

1789
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:54,680
I just note that retail landscape has changed

1790
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:57,740
and events and fashion shows and cocktail parties

1791
01:51:57,740 --> 01:52:00,860
are so much more about how retail uses program

1792
01:52:00,860 --> 01:52:01,900
and promote themselves.

1793
01:52:02,420 --> 01:52:04,500
But I don't know that that green space

1794
01:52:04,500 --> 01:52:07,020
is the appropriate location for those.

1795
01:52:07,060 --> 01:52:10,520
So I'd like to have some use restrictions on that parcel

1796
01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:16,320
of land, that it's a green space, but I'd like to have some language about the years of it.

1797
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:25,520
I agree with you, 100%. We've had those restrictions all along, because it does front the community,

1798
01:52:26,100 --> 01:52:29,980
you know, on the street, and we don't know what they're playing.

1799
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:31,000
Any at this point?

1800
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:31,820
Yes.

1801
01:52:31,820 --> 01:52:33,060
So that should be added.

1802
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:34,020
Yeah, I'll work with you.

1803
01:52:34,180 --> 01:52:34,580
I'm on that.

1804
01:52:34,680 --> 01:52:35,140
Okay, then.

1805
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:35,840
Julie?

1806
01:52:36,440 --> 01:52:36,520
Yeah.

1807
01:52:36,660 --> 01:52:37,540
Your hands come first.

1808
01:52:38,220 --> 01:52:39,820
So did we already approve?

1809
01:52:39,820 --> 01:52:40,620
And I'm sorry.

1810
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:43,040
I'm trying to remember last month all the seating.

1811
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:44,360
The numbers.

1812
01:52:44,940 --> 01:52:45,120
Yes.

1813
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:45,260
Okay.

1814
01:52:46,000 --> 01:52:46,440
So.

1815
01:52:48,240 --> 01:52:50,140
Some work can go down if you just can't go up.

1816
01:52:51,060 --> 01:52:53,100
And then I just had a couple.

1817
01:52:53,120 --> 01:52:55,240
So I do not think it should run with the land.

1818
01:52:56,520 --> 01:52:58,420
This says provisions to run with the land.

1819
01:52:58,420 --> 01:53:03,060
If there's a new owner, if there's a new, I, I, this should not run with the line.

1820
01:53:03,060 --> 01:53:06,960
We have that language in there, though, Julie, just if you read three sentences down,

1821
01:53:07,300 --> 01:53:11,300
it's not only does it run with the lands, but we also have a provision that in the event of a

1822
01:53:11,300 --> 01:53:15,620
change in ownership of the restaurant, or the substitution of a new restaurant into the premises,

1823
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:17,820
a new special exception must be obtained.

1824
01:53:18,580 --> 01:53:23,920
I think I need to, I can change that to the owner of the property. Exactly, need to be owner and

1825
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:27,080
restaurant. So I think that was an oversight, Julie, think I'm

1826
01:53:27,080 --> 01:53:29,220
bringing that up, we'll make that the owner.

1827
01:53:29,380 --> 01:53:33,860
We wanted to run with the land, but we just, we want a new owner to have to come in, because

1828
01:53:33,860 --> 01:53:36,600
you want the next owner to be bound by what we're bound by.

1829
01:53:36,760 --> 01:53:37,100
Right.

1830
01:53:37,100 --> 01:53:38,340
Right, but also to come in.

1831
01:53:38,520 --> 01:53:41,100
But to come in and ask for special exceptions, we're necessary.

1832
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:45,000
But I think also, we may find there was an issue.

1833
01:53:45,800 --> 01:53:50,220
So we may want to do a new declaration of use to change, maybe we don't want that many

1834
01:53:50,220 --> 01:53:50,740
seats.

1835
01:53:50,900 --> 01:53:53,200
You certainly would have that right upon that.

1836
01:53:53,240 --> 01:53:53,680
Okay.

1837
01:53:53,680 --> 01:54:00,380
And then in number 16, which we talked about, and I hope I see that change in the paramount,

1838
01:54:00,540 --> 01:54:01,160
I can't remember.

1839
01:54:02,140 --> 01:54:07,580
But it should be there will be no smoking drinking or lowering by employees or customers.

1840
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:11,580
I know you can't, but you can put no smoking signs up.

1841
01:54:11,700 --> 01:54:16,200
You can because there are a lot of sidewalk areas around this.

1842
01:54:16,900 --> 01:54:21,620
And you could end up with quite a bit of smoking on the terraces and down below.

1843
01:54:21,620 --> 01:54:25,900
I think we don't allow it any more on public areas, right?

1844
01:54:25,980 --> 01:54:27,500
But that includes the beach.

1845
01:54:28,180 --> 01:54:33,160
What I didn't want to get into is us having two police anyone.

1846
01:54:33,180 --> 01:54:34,200
We don't have the police power.

1847
01:54:34,300 --> 01:54:36,600
Well maybe we could put something in here.

1848
01:54:36,740 --> 01:54:38,640
Signs will be...

1849
01:54:38,640 --> 01:54:39,120
No.

1850
01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:40,480
Okay.

1851
01:54:40,920 --> 01:54:42,400
I don't know that you want ugly signs.

1852
01:54:42,720 --> 01:54:43,700
I don't.

1853
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:44,260
I don't.

1854
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:48,920
And then Bridget brought up a good point about all trash shall be stored inside.

1855
01:54:48,920 --> 01:54:53,020
when it comes to we're going to all of a sudden have a restaurant so right now

1856
01:54:53,020 --> 01:54:57,040
we're talking about no restaurant. When we're talking about the restaurant I do

1857
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:00,740
believe we have to look at the neighbors behind because they're the ones that could

1858
01:55:00,740 --> 01:55:04,060
all inside so that they're just picked up.

1859
01:55:04,060 --> 01:55:05,840
Yeah it gets picked up off of worth of having a meal.

1860
01:55:06,900 --> 01:55:11,320
I'm sorry. That door opens they take the trash from within the building.

1861
01:55:11,700 --> 01:55:12,080
That's right.

1862
01:55:12,560 --> 01:55:16,060
The neighbors are aren't we're trying to orient everything away from those

1863
01:55:16,760 --> 01:55:23,780
Okay, perfect, and then I think the only other thing was, I think Bridget brought it up,

1864
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:29,160
alter this over Sunday approval of this year's so as long as we do that, I think I'm

1865
01:55:29,160 --> 01:55:30,820
okay with everything else.

1866
01:55:31,180 --> 01:55:31,840
Thank you, Jamie.

1867
01:55:32,300 --> 01:55:32,960
You're welcome.

1868
01:55:33,700 --> 01:55:34,220
Okay, Lou.

1869
01:55:34,420 --> 01:55:37,620
Are you okay if Joanne and I iron this out?

1870
01:55:37,880 --> 01:55:39,500
I mean, there's only a couple of issues that you want to do.

1871
01:55:40,180 --> 01:55:40,920
I am.

1872
01:55:41,380 --> 01:55:42,260
Just a couple of questions.

1873
01:55:43,400 --> 01:55:45,480
But we made for you some things to Joanne.

1874
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:55,200
Yeah, join me up all the time as long as as long as my intent on that vacant parcels clear that I I mean

1875
01:55:55,200 --> 01:55:59,540
It's it's not limited events. It's really that it should be a visual passive green space

1876
01:55:59,540 --> 01:56:00,960
I don't want to see any of us

1877
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:03,640
I think we should see it one more time

1878
01:56:04,420 --> 01:56:06,560
Sorry we're all time what I have anyway

1879
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:13,700
I saw the benches and whatnot. It's just I also want to prevent employee once a mother and sit in the sunshine. I think I think that should be allowed

1880
01:56:13,700 --> 01:56:19,600
No, you know, it's more cocktail parties, events, amplified, you know,

1881
01:56:19,780 --> 01:56:21,440
I'm using all these things that happen.

1882
01:56:21,580 --> 01:56:22,840
That's not what they want.

1883
01:56:23,220 --> 01:56:24,740
Yeah, I just wanted to clarify.

1884
01:56:25,160 --> 01:56:27,900
They may have a tenant that sees it and wants to use it,

1885
01:56:27,940 --> 01:56:30,780
and I just forgot they're going to head of that and react to it.

1886
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:32,360
Yep, I'm with you.

1887
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:34,100
I think it's now loose, sir.

1888
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:35,520
Thank you.

1889
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:36,200
Just quickly.

1890
01:56:36,420 --> 01:56:39,020
I mean, I just want you to affirm this for the record.

1891
01:56:39,300 --> 01:56:41,180
That's all because it's important to me related to parking.

1892
01:56:41,640 --> 01:56:41,960
Yes, sir.

1893
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:44,320
I mean, obviously, we're in a garage,

1894
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:46,500
we're in the 183 spaces, yes sir.

1895
01:56:46,820 --> 01:56:48,980
Clearly, only Valley Parking should take place

1896
01:56:48,980 --> 01:56:50,860
within the garage, that's correct, yes sir.

1897
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:56,940
And the second thing is employees, they will not be

1898
01:56:56,940 --> 01:56:59,080
driving to work unless they are parking

1899
01:56:59,080 --> 01:57:01,600
in the parking garage, otherwise they're being shuddled

1900
01:57:01,600 --> 01:57:03,600
or coming to the agreement with somebody else,

1901
01:57:03,740 --> 01:57:04,220
is that correct?

1902
01:57:04,500 --> 01:57:04,900
Yes sir.

1903
01:57:05,180 --> 01:57:07,960
And just to heads up, Jamie, that when the construction

1904
01:57:07,960 --> 01:57:09,920
management agreement is being negotiated,

1905
01:57:09,920 --> 01:57:16,300
we certainly would want to see the shuddling of construction workers over here when that

1906
01:57:16,300 --> 01:57:19,480
when that document gets put together. And I can tell you the other things that we talked about

1907
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:27,140
previously with the with the for arts and with the paramount. So just like what Keith was saying

1908
01:57:27,140 --> 01:57:33,260
we have this big garage which we can we can use for staging so we can bring in materials in big

1909
01:57:33,260 --> 01:57:36,920
deliveries so we're not doing 15 deliveries we're doing one and then they can sit in the garage

1910
01:57:36,920 --> 01:57:42,220
I agree with my colleges. It's a very good declaration of use though. Thank you, sir.

1911
01:57:43,080 --> 01:57:48,980
Okay. I just have a couple of comments and quick questions. I mean, you know, we don't

1912
01:57:48,980 --> 01:57:54,780
know who the operator is yet. And I think we all are acutely aware of that. But, and so far,

1913
01:57:54,960 --> 01:58:00,920
I think I'll speak for myself. I was quite impressed with the young men who are behind this and

1914
01:58:00,920 --> 01:58:04,460
with their attitude and willingness to work with us.

1915
01:58:04,860 --> 01:58:07,460
But until you know who that is

1916
01:58:07,460 --> 01:58:11,100
and what their agenda is, what kind of restaurant this is,

1917
01:58:11,400 --> 01:58:14,000
we have to reserve our rights to change this,

1918
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:18,740
because it could be that it's a little more clubby

1919
01:58:18,740 --> 01:58:21,200
or they want a dance floor, that might be,

1920
01:58:21,220 --> 01:58:24,240
I mean, we just want to know, we don't want to surprise.

1921
01:58:24,240 --> 01:58:25,780
We don't want to be surprised.

1922
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:28,680
And my other question is really one for Joanne,

1923
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:34,400
which is Joanne, because of the sheer size of this and the number of people, should we have

1924
01:58:34,400 --> 01:58:42,460
some rights over who they sell it to? I mean, to improve, you know, some approval rights

1925
01:58:42,460 --> 01:58:46,320
because, again, we don't want to sell it to somebody, they haven't them sell it to somebody

1926
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:56,990
that's a nightclub type of thing. No, you can't, you can't, you can't restrict, you can't restrict

1927
01:58:56,990 --> 01:59:01,750
today contract well not who but I mean we could types of things well you already have

1928
01:59:01,750 --> 01:59:05,090
I mean you've already identified the use that that's in there I just didn't

1929
01:59:05,090 --> 01:59:09,010
so that's why it's important to record the agreement and make it wrong with the

1930
01:59:09,010 --> 01:59:12,910
land is because then it shows up in someone's title when we're trying to buy it and

1931
01:59:12,910 --> 01:59:16,370
then they have notice of what the approve uses are so they can't come in and say you

1932
01:59:16,370 --> 01:59:20,690
didn't tell us what we couldn't do so that's something blue wanted on paramount and I

1933
01:59:20,690 --> 01:59:24,770
think it's it makes sense for you okay it's already in there that's good Bobby and

1934
01:59:24,770 --> 01:59:30,790
With respect to your first question, it's completely understood and it's been contemplated

1935
01:59:30,790 --> 01:59:35,090
and discussed with staff that we just took the restaurant out of this, because it's not here yet.

1936
01:59:35,310 --> 01:59:42,670
But when that happens, all of the typical provisions for approval of a restaurant will be negotiated and brought back to you as a condition of the special exception.

1937
01:59:44,050 --> 01:59:51,170
And we'll put that in this agreement, yes sir, which is what I heard that makes sense to have one agreement not to.

1938
01:59:51,170 --> 01:59:51,470
Right.

1939
01:59:51,770 --> 01:59:59,290
But we can revise this to include conditions on restaurant operation when they come through for a special exception.

1940
02:00:01,430 --> 02:00:10,870
All right, Julie? Yes, what you were just talking about, of course I forgot, you were just talking about, let me go to the other one first.

1941
02:00:11,830 --> 02:00:18,710
When you have there will be no smoking drinking or lording by employees, does that include ballet, can we add ballet?

1942
02:00:19,610 --> 02:00:25,610
Sure, okay. And then, um, what was it you just, Bridget, what was it you heard? Oh, that

1943
02:00:25,610 --> 02:00:31,730
question you said. So, um, I don't think I would agree that just let Joe and work it out.

1944
02:00:32,170 --> 02:00:36,730
I'd like to see the final version one more time to approve it because it's got the Proving

1945
02:00:36,730 --> 02:00:42,430
Park issue. We need to look at the language with the town council and make sure that we

1946
02:00:42,430 --> 02:00:47,130
like how, because Bridget, you brought up a great point that they took that out, but I'd like

1947
02:00:47,130 --> 02:00:53,770
see that final writing. If you don't mind, we could defer it with, you know, with the understanding

1948
02:00:53,770 --> 02:00:57,910
that these will be the changes, but I would like to see it.

1949
02:00:58,330 --> 02:01:02,250
As long as this doesn't hold us up from getting any performance we need, I don't know agreement.

1950
02:01:02,570 --> 02:01:05,590
I mean, it's going to be a year and a half before the building is operating.

1951
02:01:05,830 --> 02:01:06,690
No, you didn't get a permit.

1952
02:01:07,190 --> 02:01:13,210
No, I just want to be clear. The last one said, you can only do this big box retail.

1953
02:01:13,210 --> 02:01:19,010
And I think the last meeting, but there's no declaration of use right now.

1954
02:01:19,270 --> 02:01:20,070
That's for Wayne.

1955
02:01:20,430 --> 02:01:23,610
I think you guys said you guys can get permits, but we can.

1956
02:01:23,610 --> 02:01:25,430
I want to speak for you. Wayne, please.

1957
02:01:25,670 --> 02:01:27,270
A suggestion, perhaps.

1958
02:01:27,850 --> 02:01:32,670
You want to see a clean version of this, perhaps we could put it on consent for the next item.

1959
02:01:33,250 --> 02:01:38,210
And you will have a chance to read it and to pull it and discuss it if you think it needs to be discussed.

1960
02:01:38,210 --> 02:01:45,330
we could also which I think would help Jamie approve it with the condition of us seeing almost

1961
02:01:45,330 --> 02:01:50,910
like our come does coming back with just those two points. That would be fine with that

1962
02:01:50,910 --> 02:01:56,590
or would that be better or no. But I don't it's this is not going to hold up getting permits

1963
02:01:56,590 --> 02:02:02,570
for a construction work is it? So then I don't care. Okay. That's just a for it. Okay. I'll make

1964
02:02:02,570 --> 02:02:07,670
did you ask for the public already? No, we have it on. Okay. Sorry. But would anybody in the public

1965
02:02:07,670 --> 02:02:11,890
I'd like to speak to this issue today.

1966
02:02:12,630 --> 02:02:13,970
Seeing none.

1967
02:02:14,090 --> 02:02:14,830
Anybody on?

1968
02:02:15,130 --> 02:02:15,550
Oops.

1969
02:02:15,870 --> 02:02:16,330
Good, Julie.

1970
02:02:16,710 --> 02:02:19,770
I make a motion to defer the Declaration of Youth Agreement

1971
02:02:19,770 --> 02:02:23,150
between the Town of Palm Beach and 151 North Avenue,

1972
02:02:23,290 --> 02:02:29,670
owner LLC and XX Restaurant to April 15th

1973
02:02:30,850 --> 02:02:35,990
and just asking them to come back with what we discussed to be changed.

1974
02:02:38,060 --> 02:02:42,260
Mr. Scott, Mr. Krampton, Mr. Cooney, thank you.

1975
02:02:42,700 --> 02:02:44,420
Ms. Moran, Ms. Lindsey.

1976
02:02:47,050 --> 02:02:47,310
Okay.

1977
02:02:48,070 --> 02:02:48,530
Thank you.

1978
02:02:49,070 --> 02:02:49,570
Thank you.

1979
02:02:49,590 --> 02:02:50,310
Thank you.

1980
02:02:50,730 --> 02:02:51,810
Yeah, I believe you.

1981
02:02:51,810 --> 02:02:55,470
That item is number 21, 315 Shappel Hill Road.

1982
02:02:58,090 --> 02:02:58,210
Yep.

1983
02:02:59,710 --> 02:03:00,510
Oh, I thought that was fine.

1984
02:03:00,530 --> 02:03:00,830
Did we?

1985
02:03:01,990 --> 02:03:03,070
19, we did.

1986
02:03:05,110 --> 02:03:05,470
I don't know.

1987
02:03:06,290 --> 02:03:06,890
That's gone.

1988
02:03:06,950 --> 02:03:07,630
What's gone?

1989
02:03:08,190 --> 02:03:08,630
What's gone?

1990
02:03:08,630 --> 02:03:12,750
All right, can we begin with a part-tap for this twating line?

1991
02:03:13,010 --> 02:03:20,550
Yes, I attended the Archom hearing and the owner was present at the time and explained

1992
02:03:21,950 --> 02:03:24,470
That's the mechanical needs.

1993
02:03:24,550 --> 02:03:27,710
We're not properly a foreseen in the original design.

1994
02:03:27,710 --> 02:03:28,630
Yep, yep.

1995
02:03:29,510 --> 02:03:29,850
None.

1996
02:03:31,010 --> 02:03:34,330
My mother is the Jason neighbor.

1997
02:03:35,990 --> 02:03:36,890
Not that means anything.

1998
02:03:37,710 --> 02:03:45,930
And the glazers have been very open, transparent about their project, and she likes it.

1999
02:03:46,530 --> 02:03:48,490
So, and she likes the glazers, too.

2000
02:03:49,850 --> 02:03:50,070
Okay.

2001
02:03:50,270 --> 02:03:54,310
I know it's their house, and I agree with you, Donnie.

2002
02:03:54,410 --> 02:03:56,290
They've been very open about it.

2003
02:03:56,430 --> 02:03:57,610
I attended our camp.

2004
02:03:58,330 --> 02:03:59,870
And I listened to our camp online.

2005
02:04:06,520 --> 02:04:06,800
Yes.

2006
02:04:06,800 --> 02:04:13,320
The next item is 0N-25-0096, address 315 Chapel Hill Road.

2007
02:04:13,680 --> 02:04:16,700
This project is before you for the approval of three variances.

2008
02:04:19,340 --> 02:04:24,440
Just to warrant yourself, this is at the western end of the terminus of a cul-de-sac of Chapel Hill Road.

2009
02:04:24,960 --> 02:04:27,900
Lakefront property, zone RA.

2010
02:04:28,940 --> 02:04:33,920
It did receive approval of both for the design, as well as support from the variances.

2011
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:38,460
at last week's R-Con meeting in the vote with 7-0.

2012
02:04:42,510 --> 02:04:44,830
Just want to familiarize yourself with the site plan.

2013
02:04:44,990 --> 02:04:48,870
You'll see the highlighted area to the north of the screen

2014
02:04:48,870 --> 02:04:51,750
is the area of the previously approved plan.

2015
02:04:52,030 --> 02:04:54,690
Specifically today, the three variances before you

2016
02:04:54,690 --> 02:04:57,300
pertain with the relocation of this

2017
02:04:57,910 --> 02:04:59,770
quote-unquote mechanical yard.

2018
02:05:01,470 --> 02:05:03,590
It was shifted a little easterly

2019
02:05:04,350 --> 02:05:08,830
And in doing so, has three variants request.

2020
02:05:10,450 --> 02:05:18,570
In order, one is for the front yard wall height to exceed the maximum height of six feet to be permitted at nine and a half feet.

2021
02:05:19,250 --> 02:05:22,870
That height is there for part of me.

2022
02:05:23,010 --> 02:05:29,310
That height is there in order to adequately screen set equipment that lies behind it, which is the cooling tower.

2023
02:05:29,310 --> 02:05:36,770
Again, the variance is to allow the cooling tower in the front yard and finally for a side yard setback for a generator.

2024
02:05:37,390 --> 02:05:42,250
Due to the somewhat unique nature of the geometry of the site being on a cold-to-sac,

2025
02:05:42,650 --> 02:05:50,230
the actual required front yard is rather irregular as it wraps around that circular cold-to-sac.

2026
02:05:53,930 --> 02:05:56,710
I'll go in and illustrate each of the variances.

2027
02:05:56,710 --> 02:06:07,450
Again, the maximum wall height permitted in the front yard is six feet, the applicant is proposing nine and half feet in order to adequately screen the unsightly equipment.

2028
02:06:07,850 --> 02:06:22,470
The graphic on the screen shows that extra overage of three and a half feet, and how they've tried to incorporate that into an architectonic design with the materiality and the shape of the wall.

2029
02:06:23,870 --> 02:06:32,270
The second variant is allowing a generator to be closer to the side setback in lieu of its requirement.

2030
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:40,130
A hundred kilowatt generator needs a 15-foot setback. The applicant is proposing just shy of 9 feet.

2031
02:06:43,960 --> 02:06:48,500
And then finally we're circling back to that front yard and referring to the cooling tower.

2032
02:06:48,500 --> 02:06:54,800
variants for a cooling tower to be in the front yard where they're otherwise not permitted.

2033
02:06:57,380 --> 02:07:02,580
So approval require one motion to be made by town council, supporting or denying the

2034
02:07:02,580 --> 02:07:09,080
variances in accordance with section 134 201 A items 1 through 7.

2035
02:07:09,780 --> 02:07:18,360
I'll go back to the enlarged site plan and would probably be available for questions now,

2036
02:07:18,360 --> 02:07:25,700
or if you'd like a little more specificity on the design and the location, the applicant

2037
02:07:25,700 --> 02:07:29,860
can speak and present their, let's see what we've got.

2038
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:34,200
Johnnie, Julie, and then Lou. James, can you go back one more picture?

2039
02:07:36,840 --> 02:07:37,980
No, one more.

2040
02:07:40,520 --> 02:08:03,760
That one. Yes. So the, the, the neighbor to the north, where this would be going is actually the back of the row points and a chapel, right? Correct. And, and the rest of my recollection is chapel hill is really high on the east end and as it goes to the west, it sort of slopes, slopes down, slopes down. So a higher wall would actually be better.

2041
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:08,680
for that neighbor on the chapel, on the row points, he

2042
02:08:08,680 --> 02:08:11,820
had a chapel side, and that next house, and I

2043
02:08:11,820 --> 02:08:12,940
can't remember their names,

2044
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:17,720
because it's the topography

2045
02:08:17,720 --> 02:08:18,840
is floating down.

2046
02:08:18,980 --> 02:08:21,060
It's working with the topography, yes.

2047
02:08:21,300 --> 02:08:27,100
OK, I sort of wanted to make the point that it has the change,

2048
02:08:27,260 --> 02:08:31,400
the hardship sort of runs with the topography there,

2049
02:08:31,400 --> 02:08:34,260
And because of the irregular shape of the lot,

2050
02:08:35,720 --> 02:08:38,140
it's hard to decide where the front yard real is.

2051
02:08:38,780 --> 02:08:40,720
That's true, that's why I brought that up.

2052
02:08:40,920 --> 02:08:43,940
The front yard actually does wrap around that geometry

2053
02:08:43,940 --> 02:08:46,080
and follows the arc of the cul-de-sac.

2054
02:08:46,640 --> 02:08:48,960
And as you see with this aerial,

2055
02:08:49,740 --> 02:08:52,220
the impacting neighbors are few and far between

2056
02:08:52,220 --> 02:08:54,380
because, again, it is not a thru-street.

2057
02:08:54,940 --> 02:09:00,260
And because the owners occupy the entire terminus of the cul-de-sac.

2058
02:09:00,260 --> 02:09:01,240
Yeah, exactly.

2059
02:09:03,180 --> 02:09:03,380
OK.

2060
02:09:03,860 --> 02:09:04,180
OK.

2061
02:09:05,300 --> 02:09:06,200
Julie and then Luke.

2062
02:09:06,340 --> 02:09:06,680
Oh, yeah.

2063
02:09:08,140 --> 02:09:08,680
Oh, Julie, I'm sorry.

2064
02:09:08,680 --> 02:09:09,440
That's OK.

2065
02:09:11,580 --> 02:09:15,020
So I thought we didn't allow equipment in the front yard.

2066
02:09:15,040 --> 02:09:16,100
That's first of all.

2067
02:09:16,720 --> 02:09:19,280
And second of all, isn't this a brand new build?

2068
02:09:20,580 --> 02:09:20,740
Yeah.

2069
02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:25,620
The applicant is seeking relief to allow the equipment in the front yard.

2070
02:09:25,620 --> 02:09:26,660
So you are correct.

2071
02:09:27,620 --> 02:09:28,460
And is this?

2072
02:09:28,460 --> 02:09:30,180
And yes, it is already built.

2073
02:09:30,180 --> 02:09:34,080
or it's a new build. No, it is a new build. So it's not built.

2074
02:09:34,160 --> 02:09:40,520
It's under construction. It's because I don't understand why they need a variance for

2075
02:09:40,520 --> 02:09:45,600
setbacks if it's a new build. Why do they have to put all the equipment right there,

2076
02:09:45,820 --> 02:09:50,900
which is closest to a neighbor, then on a different part of the property,

2077
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:56,460
did they have it somewhere else to begin with? I'm very confused as to what's happened here.

2078
02:09:56,460 --> 02:10:05,640
Sure, and I would recommend that you hear from the applicant and let them explain their hardship.

2079
02:10:06,100 --> 02:10:07,860
But I'll leave you with two slides.

2080
02:10:08,600 --> 02:10:20,840
One, if you see that little yellow square at the north right between the lower case D and capital P, that's the prior location.

2081
02:10:20,840 --> 02:10:34,100
Okay. And then you'll see that the new location is further eastward, a Tier Point Councilwoman.

2082
02:10:34,520 --> 02:10:43,980
It is moving closer to a neighboring property. And I'm sure they will explain the logistics of why this equipment is proposed to be relocated.

2083
02:10:44,980 --> 02:10:54,060
So it's moving probably about 15 feet easily from the prior location and into the front yard

2084
02:10:54,060 --> 02:11:02,580
where prior it was out of that arc, but because of the pinching of the sight, most of that setback

2085
02:11:02,580 --> 02:11:08,880
does default to the front yard, Julie, where otherwise equipments are not normally permissible.

2086
02:11:08,880 --> 02:11:14,600
this is a kind of a normal street where you have rectilinear parcels

2087
02:11:14,600 --> 02:11:18,280
and you'd have a cooling tower in the front yard as you're driving down it.

2088
02:11:18,480 --> 02:11:27,360
This is a area that has to have that 30-foot set back, 35-foot separate part of me all around that arc.

2089
02:11:28,440 --> 02:11:32,520
Right, I'm just saying this is the front yard you're really here, but because it's a way

2090
02:11:32,520 --> 02:11:48,220
No, I am, well I'm calling it a front yard because it's on the cul-de-sat, if it weren't there and if it were in another area, but that is the front of the cul-de-sat.

2091
02:11:48,240 --> 02:11:51,180
For zoning purposes, it determines to be the front.

2092
02:11:51,340 --> 02:12:02,000
But that's the only thing that's concerning, so I, yes, from the applicant, but I don't understand when you have a new build, why you have to break the setbacks.

2093
02:12:03,700 --> 02:12:04,820
You're welcome.

2094
02:12:04,980 --> 02:12:07,180
You're looking at this.

2095
02:12:07,180 --> 02:12:08,180
Looking at this.

2096
02:12:08,280 --> 02:12:10,140
That seems to be the best place for it.

2097
02:12:10,460 --> 02:12:10,760
I forgot.

2098
02:12:11,080 --> 02:12:13,880
I was at the Arkham meeting.

2099
02:12:14,600 --> 02:12:18,620
What was there finding with respect to the impact of the

2100
02:12:18,620 --> 02:12:20,100
variances on the architecture?

2101
02:12:20,360 --> 02:12:21,000
Was it 70?

2102
02:12:21,260 --> 02:12:21,760
Yes, sir.

2103
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:22,540
That's what I thought.

2104
02:12:23,080 --> 02:12:24,060
They looked at it.

2105
02:12:24,380 --> 02:12:25,260
They reviewed it.

2106
02:12:25,580 --> 02:12:27,060
They tried to put it in different places.

2107
02:12:27,060 --> 02:12:33,260
So if Arkham says that with unanimous on that, I would go with it.

2108
02:12:33,640 --> 02:12:36,280
I don't believe also there's been any record of opposition.

2109
02:12:37,160 --> 02:12:41,720
And for either of the mayors that were sent out for the Arkham, or for this variance application.

2110
02:12:44,440 --> 02:12:44,780
Okay.

2111
02:12:45,680 --> 02:12:45,920
Bridget?

2112
02:12:46,320 --> 02:12:46,460
Yeah.

2113
02:12:46,860 --> 02:12:52,060
I think somewhere in the application it said that the reason for the request was when they

2114
02:12:53,040 --> 02:12:57,280
They rated the building, they needed more than they originally had thought, so they need

2115
02:12:57,280 --> 02:12:59,660
bigger equipment, more equipment to run this house.

2116
02:13:00,640 --> 02:13:04,240
And then just as a personal comment, they already had the variants to put it in front, you

2117
02:13:04,240 --> 02:13:09,700
aren't, this is to me, actually a location that's going to be less remarkable because you're

2118
02:13:09,700 --> 02:13:11,140
further away from that front door.

2119
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:14,020
They already have it there, and it's...

2120
02:13:14,020 --> 02:13:16,900
It was already in the front yard, it was literally just...

2121
02:13:17,700 --> 02:13:22,040
It was in a front door, excuse me, you were right, but I'm just saying it is...

2122
02:13:22,040 --> 02:13:23,480
It was in the front.

2123
02:13:23,580 --> 02:13:26,200
It was in the front yard, but it was in the front yard.

2124
02:13:26,460 --> 02:13:27,220
The front yard.

2125
02:13:27,420 --> 02:13:27,980
Thank you.

2126
02:13:28,040 --> 02:13:28,700
You're welcome.

2127
02:13:30,260 --> 02:13:31,080
Yes, I know.

2128
02:13:31,160 --> 02:13:36,780
Yes, I know, but this is just to me, a less remarkable location to the eye because you're

2129
02:13:36,780 --> 02:13:38,840
passing it by the time you get to the front yard.

2130
02:13:38,860 --> 02:13:41,120
Time at 100 kilowatt generator.

2131
02:13:43,300 --> 02:13:46,220
Which I don't think makes much more noise than a 65.

2132
02:13:47,340 --> 02:13:49,200
This is how I'm sure a natural gas generator.

2133
02:13:50,420 --> 02:13:52,300
You know, I did a good job.

2134
02:13:52,600 --> 02:13:53,280
It's a pedestrian.

2135
02:13:53,320 --> 02:13:56,620
It's not going to be a nice, they're going to be looking at a beautiful hall.

2136
02:13:57,040 --> 02:13:59,260
And the generator will be behind them at that point.

2137
02:13:59,560 --> 02:14:02,420
It's really more of like a vacant lot that's in between two homes.

2138
02:14:03,000 --> 02:14:04,020
But that's just my take on that.

2139
02:14:05,380 --> 02:14:06,820
It's just a lot of equipment.

2140
02:14:07,120 --> 02:14:09,320
Okay. I'm going to pull up the applicant's presentation

2141
02:14:09,320 --> 02:14:15,700
because maybe they can elaborate and expand on things that I didn't present.

2142
02:14:26,890 --> 02:14:30,510
I use our family, which presentation.

2143
02:14:37,740 --> 02:14:38,140
All

2144
02:14:40,410 --> 02:14:43,070
right, let me get, I'll get started talking about the variances.

2145
02:14:43,210 --> 02:14:44,090
Some of the things you're talking about.

2146
02:14:44,950 --> 02:14:47,530
So, Jamie Crowley for the record, if I can just pop up the plan.

2147
02:14:48,230 --> 02:14:55,590
So, we did go to ARCOM, and it was a 7-0 vote on the design and on the variance.

2148
02:14:56,210 --> 02:14:58,850
So, our hardship here is that with this cold attack,

2149
02:14:58,850 --> 02:14:59,970
we basically have...

2150
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,800
We don't have one front yard setback. It's like James said. It goes all the way around the whole property. So, the two properties that are impacted, one are the neighbor to the east who wrote a letter of support for our project. And to the north is the church who we've spoken to, they did not write a letter, but they're in support of the project as well. So, we looked everywhere at this property as to where this would go and not impact the neighbors. It's going to impact neighbors somewhere. We felt that in this location is the least impactful.

2151
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:38,740
It's off to the side of the road, and yes, it's technically a front set back, but the intent of your code is so no one plops a big piece of equipment right in front of their house.

2152
02:15:39,220 --> 02:15:43,380
That's not the case here, because there's actually two parcels, and it's located off to the side.

2153
02:15:43,940 --> 02:15:47,180
They've screened it very well. They've landscapeed it very well. There's a beautiful wall there.

2154
02:15:47,980 --> 02:15:52,540
So the people who are going to be impacted into the mayor's point, there is a substantial great change here.

2155
02:15:52,600 --> 02:15:55,440
So the higher wall shouldn't affect anyone visibly coming down the street.

2156
02:15:55,440 --> 02:15:58,940
So those are our legal hardships.

2157
02:15:59,020 --> 02:16:03,080
If you would like Cory or Caroline to go through why they did what they did,

2158
02:16:03,200 --> 02:16:03,880
I'm sure they can.

2159
02:16:04,260 --> 02:16:08,820
You've also got the historic tree on the northwest part of this property,

2160
02:16:09,000 --> 02:16:11,180
which we didn't want to impact the big K-pop tree.

2161
02:16:11,400 --> 02:16:14,440
And then we didn't want to put the equipment right by the water

2162
02:16:14,440 --> 02:16:15,740
because sound carries over the water.

2163
02:16:16,100 --> 02:16:17,680
So we thought through all of these issues.

2164
02:16:18,060 --> 02:16:20,220
There's really not a perfect spot to put this,

2165
02:16:20,220 --> 02:16:22,340
but we have been in touch with all of the neighbors.

2166
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:25,360
And this is a spot where we've gotten no

2167
02:16:26,060 --> 02:16:35,440
In fact, we've gotten support from those who it's closest to, so this is definitely a legal hardship caused by the curvature of the road and caused by the situation up against the water.

2168
02:16:36,360 --> 02:16:39,300
So would you like us to go through the plans or have I addressed the hardship?

2169
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:40,660
I think they're just...

2170
02:16:42,450 --> 02:16:46,710
I think they're just two things I'd like to see where you had it before and where you have it now.

2171
02:16:46,810 --> 02:16:46,990
Sure.

2172
02:16:47,750 --> 02:16:50,290
I think we need to look through the whole thing.

2173
02:16:52,600 --> 02:16:55,900
And I am worried a little about the chapel because there's a lot of equipment.

2174
02:16:55,900 --> 02:16:57,240
to the day of the car.

2175
02:16:58,400 --> 02:16:59,440
So I had the correct map.

2176
02:16:59,760 --> 02:17:00,500
The row we am designed.

2177
02:17:00,780 --> 02:17:02,660
So yeah the chapel did not care.

2178
02:17:03,060 --> 02:17:05,540
So this is where the equipment was pre-released.

2179
02:17:05,720 --> 02:17:06,460
It was pre-released.

2180
02:17:07,480 --> 02:17:08,980
And this is where we're proposing it today.

2181
02:17:09,260 --> 02:17:11,080
The chapel did not care and at the same time,

2182
02:17:11,080 --> 02:17:13,300
the chapel has their generator about right here.

2183
02:17:13,300 --> 02:17:14,400
Okay, right there.

2184
02:17:14,760 --> 02:17:16,860
So we're kind of grouping our equipment together.

2185
02:17:17,040 --> 02:17:19,160
And then this is the neighbor who wrote the letter of support.

2186
02:17:19,260 --> 02:17:20,300
The front of the chapel.

2187
02:17:20,360 --> 02:17:22,840
So this is going to be against the very back.

2188
02:17:22,980 --> 02:17:24,660
Is that what this equipment is?

2189
02:17:26,300 --> 02:17:28,540
It'll be the equipment's bug right here.

2190
02:17:28,720 --> 02:17:29,200
That's the chapel.

2191
02:17:30,120 --> 02:17:32,600
Okay, so the front of the chapel is over here.

2192
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:34,320
Okay.

2193
02:17:35,120 --> 02:17:35,400
All right.

2194
02:17:35,740 --> 02:17:36,520
Thank you.

2195
02:17:36,700 --> 02:17:37,720
That's all I need to see.

2196
02:17:37,920 --> 02:17:40,180
I just wanted to kind of get myself a million.

2197
02:17:40,660 --> 02:17:43,500
Well, if we're all finished, I'm going to call for the public comment.

2198
02:17:44,460 --> 02:17:45,680
Any public comment?

2199
02:17:47,510 --> 02:17:48,850
Seeing none.

2200
02:17:50,470 --> 02:17:52,010
I'll entertain a motion.

2201
02:17:55,480 --> 02:17:55,780
Yes.

2202
02:17:58,640 --> 02:18:05,500
I'll move that variance number zero and dash 25 dash zero zero nine six shall be granted and find

2203
02:18:05,500 --> 02:18:09,420
in support thereof that all the criteria applicable to this application as set forth in section

2204
02:18:09,420 --> 02:18:15,420
one thirty four dash two oh one a items one through seven have been met Mr.

2205
02:18:15,420 --> 02:18:17,520
Yes, Mr. Crampton.

2206
02:18:17,680 --> 02:18:18,840
Mr. Sarah Scott?

2207
02:18:20,580 --> 02:18:20,600
Yes.

2208
02:18:20,900 --> 02:18:20,980
Yes.

2209
02:18:20,980 --> 02:18:21,600
Ms. Moran?

2210
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:22,040
Yes.

2211
02:18:22,320 --> 02:18:22,700
Ms. Lindsay.

2212
02:18:23,320 --> 02:18:23,580
Yes.

2213
02:18:23,960 --> 02:18:25,080
Pass this five to zero.

2214
02:18:26,480 --> 02:18:26,580
Okay.

2215
02:18:26,680 --> 02:18:27,140
Thank you.

2216
02:18:27,160 --> 02:18:28,560
Thank you for the good explanation.

2217
02:18:32,430 --> 02:18:32,770
Okay.

2218
02:18:33,490 --> 02:18:34,350
So, let's see.

2219
02:18:34,870 --> 02:18:36,270
Did we only have one barrier?

2220
02:18:37,890 --> 02:18:38,170
Yes.

2221
02:18:38,170 --> 02:18:39,750
We could have been.

2222
02:18:40,370 --> 02:18:41,470
Because it was a yard.

2223
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:44,950
It was a bundle together as one.

2224
02:18:44,950 --> 02:18:46,370
One would be sufficient.

2225
02:18:46,370 --> 02:18:48,570
and if you'd like to break it up, we certainly could.

2226
02:18:49,010 --> 02:18:51,370
They really were part and parcel one in the same.

2227
02:18:52,970 --> 02:18:53,290
Okay.

2228
02:18:54,170 --> 02:18:58,430
We're on number 23, 2016, 2018, North Avenue.

2229
02:18:58,970 --> 02:19:00,270
Can we start with ex-part A?

2230
02:19:00,770 --> 02:19:01,430
Let's do that one.

2231
02:19:02,110 --> 02:19:03,030
This is good.

2232
02:19:03,390 --> 02:19:04,210
Brunella Coachanelli.

2233
02:19:04,550 --> 02:19:04,970
I'm not.

2234
02:19:05,470 --> 02:19:05,790
None.

2235
02:19:06,330 --> 02:19:06,610
None.

2236
02:19:08,890 --> 02:19:11,150
I believe I met with the folks,

2237
02:19:12,630 --> 02:19:14,710
and they talked about their project.

2238
02:19:15,710 --> 02:19:19,510
I was going to do this through Greg Evans,

2239
02:19:22,270 --> 02:19:27,090
and this is also our comm, yep, I was

2240
02:19:27,090 --> 02:19:29,370
at the R-comm meeting as well.

2241
02:19:32,980 --> 02:19:39,240
The next item is 0.003, 2.16 to 2.18, worth avenue.

2242
02:19:39,240 --> 02:19:45,820
The question before you is for a special acceptance site plan review and a parking variance.

2243
02:19:48,090 --> 02:19:51,570
Just to orient yourself, this is located on the south side of Worth Avenue.

2244
02:19:52,390 --> 02:19:53,750
Excuse me, Jamie.

2245
02:19:55,420 --> 02:19:56,140
James, the other.

2246
02:19:57,920 --> 02:20:00,060
I got Tata Nellie and Coochonelli mixed up.

2247
02:20:00,820 --> 02:20:01,380
I did not.

2248
02:20:01,380 --> 02:20:02,940
I did not eat with these people.

2249
02:20:03,960 --> 02:20:04,160
Sorry.

2250
02:20:04,900 --> 02:20:06,220
I did attend the Arcon meeting.

2251
02:20:08,560 --> 02:20:08,780
It's okay.

2252
02:20:10,400 --> 02:20:13,160
It's a zone CWF CWA.

2253
02:20:13,160 --> 02:20:16,560
In the commercial worth avenue zoning district,

2254
02:20:17,180 --> 02:20:20,840
retail uses are permitted to be under 4,000 square feet.

2255
02:20:21,340 --> 02:20:23,880
The scope of work involves this conversion

2256
02:20:23,880 --> 02:20:28,260
of a second floor residents into an expansion

2257
02:20:28,260 --> 02:20:30,460
of the retail operations.

2258
02:20:31,580 --> 02:20:33,460
That expansion does two things.

2259
02:20:33,660 --> 02:20:36,480
One, it puts them over the threshold of the 4,000

2260
02:20:36,480 --> 02:20:38,800
square feet limitation in the CWA.

2261
02:20:38,800 --> 02:20:45,640
and that conversion of a residence to a retail has a higher parking intensity and therefore

2262
02:20:45,640 --> 02:20:47,680
triggers a parking variance.

2263
02:20:49,880 --> 02:20:56,000
To Mr. Cranpton's notation, this application in another format did appear before our

2264
02:20:56,000 --> 02:21:04,740
cum recently. This is scheduled for March 25th for minor window work that does not really

2265
02:21:04,740 --> 02:21:08,820
impact your review whatsoever for the application before you.

2266
02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:19,140
But you may recall that an April 10th, 2024, town council already approved the special

2267
02:21:19,140 --> 02:21:27,020
exception to allow Brunello, Kuchanello, to expand upstairs, resulting in 4,100 square feet

2268
02:21:27,020 --> 02:21:27,940
of retail space.

2269
02:21:28,440 --> 02:21:36,700
The graphic that I show has A and B on the ground floor that was already operating compliance

2270
02:21:36,700 --> 02:21:45,240
with the under allowance for the square footage of the retail space, and that's 2024 approval

2271
02:21:45,240 --> 02:21:49,180
allowed them to expand upstairs to a last storage.

2272
02:21:54,300 --> 02:21:56,580
Now, the applicant is seeking a modification

2273
02:21:56,580 --> 02:22:02,480
that that special exception to allow them to expand further into that highlighted in yellow section.

2274
02:22:02,480 --> 02:22:10,640
So, they will turn the residents upstairs into the additional 1500 square foot of retail space.

2275
02:22:11,420 --> 02:22:18,060
But unlike the 2024 approval, this additional square footage does trigger the need for parking spaces

2276
02:22:18,060 --> 02:22:25,640
because the prior one was already converted to a retail space under a prior occupant.

2277
02:22:25,640 --> 02:22:29,980
subtracting the parking credit allowed for residential use, which is

2278
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:33,980
2. The applicant does need a parking variance for five spaces.

2279
02:22:37,470 --> 02:22:39,430
There's certainly our similar approvals on

2280
02:22:39,430 --> 02:22:46,970
worth avenue for special exception greater than 4,000 square foot. Most recently for the van cleap operations.

2281
02:22:47,090 --> 02:22:58,510
That's a 235 worth avenue. For Pratezzi, which is just off worth avenue on hi-biscuits, 400 hi- 400 viscous avenue.

2282
02:22:58,510 --> 02:23:06,030
There's other recent special exceptions granted for retail to expand beyond the 4,000 that

2283
02:23:06,030 --> 02:23:14,170
happened a little bit further in the past, but recently 225 worth Avenue, Gucci as well as Louis Vuitton.

2284
02:23:14,710 --> 02:23:20,970
It's important to note that for all of those special exceptions, no parking variances were required,

2285
02:23:21,430 --> 02:23:25,990
because the prior use was that of retail just a different operator.

2286
02:23:29,160 --> 02:23:34,900
The applicant, and I'm sure they will expand in their letter of intent, maintains that

2287
02:23:34,900 --> 02:23:40,860
this proposed use is by appointment only, and not open to the general public, and therefore

2288
02:23:40,860 --> 02:23:45,760
shouldn't be reviewed or critically reviewed under the parking requirement of retail

2289
02:23:45,760 --> 02:23:51,420
spaces, and because this appointment only it would be maybe a one at a time with a client

2290
02:23:51,420 --> 02:23:57,660
and therefore the two spaces credit should cover their need for parking.

2291
02:24:01,110 --> 02:24:06,530
The approval of the project will require multiple motions to be made by town council, special

2292
02:24:06,530 --> 02:24:09,510
exception, site plan review, as well as the parking variance.

2293
02:24:12,450 --> 02:24:13,650
I'm available for questions

2294
02:24:13,650 --> 02:24:15,430
or we can lead right into the applicant.

2295
02:24:17,330 --> 02:24:22,450
Okay. What do you want to do? Any questions? Yes, Ted. Donny.

2296
02:24:23,970 --> 02:24:30,770
I appreciate them saying it would be kind of like, I assume it's just a fitting space for someone

2297
02:24:30,770 --> 02:24:33,170
who would want to go up there and be fitted for clothing.

2298
02:24:34,430 --> 02:24:36,930
But a variance for the parking would run with the lands.

2299
02:24:37,030 --> 02:24:40,170
So if this tenant went out and other commercial use

2300
02:24:40,650 --> 02:24:42,590
would not need a parking grant stock,

2301
02:24:42,590 --> 02:24:43,970
you'd buy the same square foot or tray.

2302
02:24:45,730 --> 02:24:47,830
So if this project gets approved,

2303
02:24:48,070 --> 02:24:50,690
and a building permit is pulled, the new use

2304
02:24:50,690 --> 02:24:53,030
that would be vested would be for retail use,

2305
02:24:53,530 --> 02:24:56,570
and a future tenant would not need to do the parking.

2306
02:24:56,570 --> 02:24:57,950
I just want to make sure I understand.

2307
02:24:58,210 --> 02:24:59,030
That's what I thought, thanks.

2308
02:25:00,090 --> 02:25:02,320
Okay, the Donnie.

2309
02:25:03,290 --> 02:25:03,630
Yeah.

2310
02:25:04,910 --> 02:25:05,370
There you go.

2311
02:25:07,090 --> 02:25:16,700
Just to Ted's point, I think the perpetuity of what this looks like gives me a little bit of anxiety.

2312
02:25:17,480 --> 02:25:30,580
You know, as we, just me, sorry, that the mom and pop, you know, all of a sudden this is significantly larger than 4,000 square meters.

2313
02:25:30,580 --> 02:25:42,840
And I would actually like it, it might happen in to run with the tenant so that the next person, if they wanted to do it this way, would have to come back and see a future council.

2314
02:25:43,040 --> 02:25:44,880
I don't know, giving me a little bit of anxiety.

2315
02:25:44,880 --> 02:25:46,340
Can we do that?

2316
02:25:48,180 --> 02:25:50,580
But, you know, we should probably...

2317
02:25:50,580 --> 02:25:51,480
I'm hoping very soon.

2318
02:25:51,600 --> 02:25:52,580
You should tenant.

2319
02:25:54,280 --> 02:25:54,500
No.

2320
02:25:54,500 --> 02:26:03,580
Okay. Well, we should let, then I'd like to hear from the applicant to make sure that I'm not being super unopened.

2321
02:26:04,140 --> 02:26:05,040
Open-minded.

2322
02:26:05,920 --> 02:26:07,420
So I'm just amending my expertise.

2323
02:26:07,660 --> 02:26:17,340
I had a conversation with Mr. Oyer about another matter, but he mentioned that he was bringing this, but was unable to personally be here today due to a conflict with his child.

2324
02:26:18,460 --> 02:26:22,000
He didn't, we didn't talk about this up since either way, but I just wanted to.

2325
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:30,580
And I should say the same thing because I spoke to him as well, and he told me he would not be here today, but he would send somebody else.

2326
02:26:31,260 --> 02:26:34,820
And this must be the somebody else right here.

2327
02:26:39,160 --> 02:26:40,640
Most of our points.

2328
02:26:41,900 --> 02:26:44,400
Put a record, Roger Amding with the Office of Shets and Bowen.

2329
02:26:44,540 --> 02:26:45,840
I'm not an attorney, I'm a land planner.

2330
02:26:46,840 --> 02:26:52,720
Here to present on behalf of Bruno Luchinelli, the request that James discussed and hit on all the made points.

2331
02:26:52,720 --> 02:26:58,440
For the benefit of time, I'm going to breeze over a few of the slides that James already

2332
02:26:58,440 --> 02:26:58,920
covered.

2333
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:04,620
Again, this is a special reception request for the expansion of the Bruno L'Ocuchinelli

2334
02:27:04,620 --> 02:27:08,160
use above 4,000 square feet, prompting this request.

2335
02:27:08,980 --> 02:27:14,800
We are seeking a variance for a reduction in parking from the 7 to 2, which is a 5 space

2336
02:27:14,800 --> 02:27:15,320
reduction.

2337
02:27:17,340 --> 02:27:22,700
So to elaborate on the floor plan for the second floor use, yes, this will be for

2338
02:27:22,700 --> 02:27:29,920
appointments only, one appointment with no overlap for clients, and this will basically be more

2339
02:27:30,780 --> 02:27:36,980
tailored to the individual one-on-one type meetings, fitting rooms, et cetera, to suit their needs.

2340
02:27:37,420 --> 02:27:41,780
There will be some merchandise up there, but again, it will be for that one particular client,

2341
02:27:42,440 --> 02:27:43,660
that has that one appointment.

2342
02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:50,620
And again, as James pointed out, these, the Brunala Kuchanelli

2343
02:27:50,620 --> 02:27:57,880
has been occupying 2016 and 2018 for quite a while now, and the second floor of the 2016

2344
02:27:57,880 --> 02:28:03,500
unit has been vacant for quite a while, and they are faced with an opportunity to provide

2345
02:28:03,500 --> 02:28:10,860
this service for VIP clients on this second floor. So, let's go back to the floor plan really quickly.

2346
02:28:10,900 --> 02:28:15,160
You can see from the floor plan, we're just proposing some couches and tables or restaurant

2347
02:28:15,160 --> 02:28:17,780
and the VIP fitting room.

2348
02:28:22,400 --> 02:28:25,440
To touch on the variance now, I was

2349
02:28:25,440 --> 02:28:28,720
under the impression that we can get a condition of approval

2350
02:28:28,720 --> 02:28:32,600
or maybe a declaration of use be imposed on the approval

2351
02:28:33,080 --> 02:28:35,440
that would be specific to this tenant.

2352
02:28:36,440 --> 02:28:39,160
If that's the case, then we are willing to accept

2353
02:28:39,160 --> 02:28:41,580
such a condition or declaration of use,

2354
02:28:41,960 --> 02:28:43,780
limiting it to this particular tenant,

2355
02:28:44,340 --> 02:28:47,420
and once that lease expires or is not renewed,

2356
02:28:47,420 --> 02:28:53,100
than we, the use would revert to the old residential use.

2357
02:28:54,830 --> 02:28:56,070
Can we do that?

2358
02:28:57,490 --> 02:28:57,770
No.

2359
02:28:58,090 --> 02:29:01,770
I mean, the variance is a variance from our zoning code requirements.

2360
02:29:02,070 --> 02:29:04,790
And so that's a threshold issue that needs to be satisfied.

2361
02:29:05,370 --> 02:29:10,030
And you can't, it can't be restricted to just the current tenant.

2362
02:29:10,230 --> 02:29:10,870
Okay.

2363
02:29:11,210 --> 02:29:11,730
Cannot.

2364
02:29:11,890 --> 02:29:12,530
Cannot.

2365
02:29:12,910 --> 02:29:13,250
Cannot.

2366
02:29:16,940 --> 02:29:17,580
Okay.

2367
02:29:19,420 --> 02:29:24,380
Again, with the request, we do have the dementia compliance with certain sections of the code.

2368
02:29:24,860 --> 02:29:28,060
Sections 2, 29, 1, 3, 2, 2, 2, 2, 9 for special exception.

2369
02:29:29,380 --> 02:29:32,100
Section 134, 3, 29 for the site plan and review.

2370
02:29:33,100 --> 02:29:36,000
And section 134, 2, 0, 1 for the variance.

2371
02:29:36,700 --> 02:29:38,580
We believe we satisfy all the criteria.

2372
02:29:39,500 --> 02:29:42,640
And with that, happy to answer any questions that you may have.

2373
02:29:48,060 --> 02:29:59,980
I could have proved it ran with a tenant, but not with a land. I have a problem there. It creates a small amount of intensification.

2374
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:10,620
Action on that street. And it's crowded enough as it is. And I mean, I would like to set, I would like to accept Bruno's

2375
02:30:10,620 --> 02:30:17,740
word that he or she will manage this property and have only one at a time. But I have no assurances

2376
02:30:17,740 --> 02:30:22,960
of that. There's nothing in any decoration of use that actually holds you to that. So I can't

2377
02:30:22,960 --> 02:30:30,980
approve a variance that could run in perpetuity and so that's a problem for me because it creates additional

2378
02:30:30,980 --> 02:30:35,200
attendances. Okay, Julie intent.

2379
02:30:39,030 --> 02:30:46,230
Okay, a couple of things, Jillian, is there, is it possible, although

2380
02:30:46,230 --> 02:30:55,690
or does this end up retail? If it's a sitting room and an alteration person, that kind of thing,

2381
02:30:55,690 --> 02:31:01,550
and no retail upstairs, could it be opened as a separate,

2382
02:31:01,750 --> 02:31:08,390
um, um, what do you call it, alteration place, I think that's best for James.

2383
02:31:08,910 --> 02:31:10,230
Yes, I can answer that.

2384
02:31:10,510 --> 02:31:10,910
Thank you.

2385
02:31:11,210 --> 02:31:18,590
That, um, modification to the, uh, actual building would be a change of occupancy,

2386
02:31:19,110 --> 02:31:23,890
from an apartment, residents to a mercantile,

2387
02:31:23,890 --> 02:31:30,130
And so it doesn't matter if they're selling things or storing things for that matter, it is a retail use.

2388
02:31:30,830 --> 02:31:33,710
Okay, so then what's the other one?

2389
02:31:33,970 --> 02:31:39,370
Where do you put your employees? Do you have something in the Apollo Lot? Where do your employees?

2390
02:31:40,470 --> 02:31:46,970
They park and I believe the 150 worth of in you. They have leaf spaces there.

2391
02:31:46,970 --> 02:31:48,730
And so you have least spaces.

2392
02:31:48,730 --> 02:31:49,590
Yes, make a wish.

2393
02:31:49,750 --> 02:31:52,870
So whatever happened, we would definitely have to have that in there.

2394
02:31:54,110 --> 02:31:56,750
But I really have a problem with the parking.

2395
02:31:56,930 --> 02:32:00,610
Unfortunately, we're having such an issue in that area.

2396
02:32:01,170 --> 02:32:04,790
And once we do it for one, I mean, here we were just

2397
02:32:04,790 --> 02:32:08,390
shown by James, although variances are particular to the place.

2398
02:32:08,390 --> 02:32:10,110
It doesn't matter if they're everywhere.

2399
02:32:11,090 --> 02:32:14,810
But James just gave us this slide show of where we've

2400
02:32:14,810 --> 02:32:16,310
done things in other places.

2401
02:32:16,310 --> 02:32:18,590
So is this going to become on a slideshow?

2402
02:32:19,930 --> 02:32:23,570
So I later in time, well, you allowed them

2403
02:32:23,570 --> 02:32:25,610
to have a variance on parking.

2404
02:32:26,390 --> 02:32:30,350
So I just, I can't do it.

2405
02:32:30,450 --> 02:32:33,190
And I'm sorry, because I would like to see this done.

2406
02:32:33,210 --> 02:32:35,390
If we could actually do a DO UA,

2407
02:32:37,530 --> 02:32:39,750
and be able to limit that,

2408
02:32:39,890 --> 02:32:40,550
I would be OK.

2409
02:32:40,710 --> 02:32:43,190
There's nothing you can think of, Joanne,

2410
02:32:43,190 --> 02:32:50,270
that we could be creative or James, and there's absolutely nothing we can do to allow that

2411
02:32:50,270 --> 02:32:57,750
parking without a variance. I've never seen a variance be isolated to a use variance by nature

2412
02:32:58,610 --> 02:33:05,490
and land use run with the land. Right, but there's no other, there's no other way to get around that

2413
02:33:05,490 --> 02:33:09,270
and not make it a variance. It has to be a variance period. Okay.

2414
02:33:09,270 --> 02:33:14,730
Well, Jamie Gavigan, from Shots and Bowen, I'm here with Roger.

2415
02:33:15,590 --> 02:33:17,670
I understand what we're saying about the variance.

2416
02:33:18,310 --> 02:33:24,010
We would be open as Roger mentioned about a declaration of use to limit even that the

2417
02:33:24,010 --> 02:33:27,990
retail to being a appointment only one in one out.

2418
02:33:30,090 --> 02:33:33,990
So I don't know how that, obviously the variance runs with the land that the actual use

2419
02:33:33,990 --> 02:33:38,710
that the retail portion would only be appointment only one at a time.

2420
02:33:38,710 --> 02:33:48,310
Yeah, I mean, just to be clear, because we use declarations of use a lot here, and we do contemplate declarations of use when special exceptions are granted.

2421
02:33:48,530 --> 02:33:58,470
We don't have anything in our code that addresses them when variances are granted, but they need to satisfy the zoning criteria to get the variance, or even on special exceptions.

2422
02:33:58,510 --> 02:34:07,890
They have to satisfy the special exception criteria. You can't avoid satisfying the criteria just because you version enter into a declaration of use.

2423
02:34:07,890 --> 02:34:11,010
And there has to be hardship and no reason it will use.

2424
02:34:12,950 --> 02:34:13,390
OK.

2425
02:34:13,390 --> 02:34:13,950
OK, Ted.

2426
02:34:14,910 --> 02:34:15,070
Yeah.

2427
02:34:15,330 --> 02:34:20,550
Well, I mean, since Harvey wasn't able to make it, should we defer it a month and see if.

2428
02:34:20,550 --> 02:34:21,450
I think we should.

2429
02:34:21,490 --> 02:34:22,650
That's probably the best for you.

2430
02:34:22,650 --> 02:34:22,990
I know.

2431
02:34:23,190 --> 02:34:29,110
He mentioned he tried to reschedule, but we had such a complicated day that we couldn't.

2432
02:34:29,510 --> 02:34:29,670
No.

2433
02:34:30,010 --> 02:34:31,590
But I think you know the problem.

2434
02:34:32,210 --> 02:34:34,010
And so you can let go of that.

2435
02:34:34,610 --> 02:34:34,770
Yes, we're aware.

2436
02:34:36,810 --> 02:34:37,250
Okay.

2437
02:34:38,810 --> 02:34:39,690
Go ahead.

2438
02:34:40,390 --> 02:34:41,430
Why are we deferring it?

2439
02:34:41,610 --> 02:34:45,530
We're doing things like principle of equivalency, you know, restricting parking.

2440
02:34:45,690 --> 02:34:51,570
Our laws aren't going to change in a month to defer it, it's just going to defer it.

2441
02:34:51,810 --> 02:34:58,350
Well, I mean, I mean, if it was, it was, I don't suspect my position will change

2442
02:34:58,350 --> 02:35:02,010
or any of ours, but it was more in-depth, for instance, that he was taking his child

2443
02:35:02,010 --> 02:35:03,950
to a medical appointment and couldn't figure it out.

2444
02:35:05,150 --> 02:35:07,930
I'm very comfortable with this stuff or you're too, but I'm also

2445
02:35:07,930 --> 02:35:09,570
respectable of our agendas.

2446
02:35:09,810 --> 02:35:11,490
Yeah, I mean, why are we different?

2447
02:35:11,690 --> 02:35:13,110
We're not going to change our variance laws.

2448
02:35:13,170 --> 02:35:15,350
We're not going to, you know, no, I think they're going to change what

2449
02:35:15,350 --> 02:35:16,390
they come back and ask us for.

2450
02:35:16,950 --> 02:35:19,890
Are they going to ask us for, um, then we'll see the dilemma we have.

2451
02:35:20,010 --> 02:35:23,030
Are you going to find five spaces and not request a variance?

2452
02:35:23,710 --> 02:35:29,090
I mean, I mean, to me, this is such an easy one.

2453
02:35:29,370 --> 02:35:30,850
Why can't we just in that I agree?

2454
02:35:31,090 --> 02:35:32,690
Like, what are we doing here?

2455
02:35:32,690 --> 02:35:34,770
I'm not very- I'm very- I'm very- I'm very- I'm a part of it.

2456
02:35:34,770 --> 02:35:36,210
All right, so we're going to hear this same thing.

2457
02:35:36,210 --> 02:35:38,530
Yeah, I mean, if that's fair, we're talking it once again, let's go.

2458
02:35:38,990 --> 02:35:39,650
Okay. All right. All right.

2459
02:35:39,750 --> 02:35:42,690
If that's how you feel, I would just make a motion to deny and see if that's why.

2460
02:35:44,010 --> 02:35:44,370
Well then you-

2461
02:35:44,370 --> 02:35:46,330
Within, they can't come back for a year.

2462
02:35:46,630 --> 02:35:47,030
Right.

2463
02:35:47,430 --> 02:35:54,470
What I would- we've heard- we hear- we hear what the Council is positioned in regards to the principal

2464
02:35:54,470 --> 02:35:55,530
of- we'll see in the variants.

2465
02:35:55,830 --> 02:36:01,510
So if we come back, we will come back understanding the conversation that's-

2466
02:36:01,510 --> 02:36:01,790
Right.

2467
02:36:01,790 --> 02:36:12,190
That's been discussed and so we would have another option or have thought through to addressing and add some additional clarity beyond what has been discussed right now

2468
02:36:14,510 --> 02:36:16,870
So let's give him that opportunity

2469
02:36:16,870 --> 02:36:25,750
What the same variance. I think you're hearing up here if you come back with the same ask and no additional clarity

2470
02:36:25,750 --> 02:36:27,030
or

2471
02:36:27,710 --> 02:36:28,350
guarantees

2472
02:36:31,790 --> 02:36:36,110
It's not that, it's that we don't want to give it that variance in perpetuity.

2473
02:36:36,650 --> 02:36:37,250
Yeah, that's the point.

2474
02:36:37,250 --> 02:36:38,050
I understand that.

2475
02:36:38,650 --> 02:36:38,930
All right.

2476
02:36:39,190 --> 02:36:39,890
So I don't have to.

2477
02:36:39,890 --> 02:36:41,050
I'll agree with the deferral.

2478
02:36:43,770 --> 02:36:45,290
And your points will take, and I got it.

2479
02:36:45,670 --> 02:36:45,850
Yeah.

2480
02:36:46,330 --> 02:36:46,370
Okay.

2481
02:36:46,570 --> 02:36:47,750
So I'm going to make a defer.

2482
02:36:48,130 --> 02:36:48,290
Okay.

2483
02:36:48,890 --> 02:36:59,090
I'll move to defer, uh, the 0n 25 does 0, 0, 0, 9, 1, uh, until April 15th.

2484
02:36:59,970 --> 02:37:04,050
It's 0N-20 I'm doing to 0-003.

2485
02:37:04,170 --> 02:37:05,670
You're just at the wrong number.

2486
02:37:05,870 --> 02:37:07,210
Oh, I did.

2487
02:37:07,310 --> 02:37:07,570
Sorry.

2488
02:37:08,050 --> 02:37:10,550
Which project would you call the wrong number, right?

2489
02:37:11,190 --> 02:37:16,110
It's 0N-26Z-003.

2490
02:37:16,510 --> 02:37:16,630
Okay.

2491
02:37:16,990 --> 02:37:17,690
There you go.

2492
02:37:18,850 --> 02:37:19,050
Okay.

2493
02:37:19,330 --> 02:37:21,710
And that was to April 15th, Mr. Scug.

2494
02:37:22,190 --> 02:37:22,470
Yes.

2495
02:37:23,190 --> 02:37:23,550
Please.

2496
02:37:24,130 --> 02:37:24,610
Mr. Scug.

2497
02:37:25,230 --> 02:37:25,870
Mr. Crampton.

2498
02:37:25,910 --> 02:37:26,930
Mr. Cooney.

2499
02:37:27,610 --> 02:37:27,670
Yes.

2500
02:37:27,670 --> 02:37:28,390
This is Moran.

2501
02:37:28,470 --> 02:37:28,790
Sure.

2502
02:37:29,750 --> 02:37:29,970
Miss Liz.

2503
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:43,040
Yes. Okay. Thank you. This, you guys, we're going to go to lunch and because we've got a big one at two o'clock. And we're supposed to be back here at one fifty five.

2504
02:37:43,260 --> 02:37:52,400
One fifty. Lunchtime. Lunchtime. So we're going to break for lunch. Sorry about that, but we've been here all day.

2505
02:37:52,400 --> 02:37:54,640
Yeah, I think we'll do another one.

2506
02:37:54,640 --> 02:37:58,560
And we will be back in time for it.

2507
02:37:58,920 --> 02:38:01,400
Well, 150, 150.

2508
02:38:02,000 --> 02:38:02,160
150.

2509
02:38:02,560 --> 02:38:03,080
150.

2510
02:38:04,720 --> 02:38:04,800
Yeah.

2511
02:38:05,220 --> 02:38:05,420
Sorry.

2512
02:38:05,660 --> 02:38:06,400
I didn't need to push it.

2513
02:38:06,580 --> 02:38:06,860
Okay.

2514
02:38:07,260 --> 02:38:07,340
No.

2515
02:38:11,140 --> 02:38:11,500
Okay.

2516
02:38:11,640 --> 02:38:12,860
Are you signed in then?

2517
02:38:13,240 --> 02:38:13,540
Okay.

2518
02:38:14,040 --> 02:38:15,060
Welcome back, everybody.

2519
02:38:15,280 --> 02:38:19,240
We're going to reconvene and we do have a time certain in 10 minutes, but we're going

2520
02:38:19,240 --> 02:38:24,080
to take one at least one quick one and I need your hand.

2521
02:38:24,080 --> 02:38:27,380
And Julie wants to make a comment?

2522
02:38:28,120 --> 02:38:33,620
I just would like to ask the council under Robert's rule, especially since Jamie is here now.

2523
02:38:34,060 --> 02:38:41,660
If we can do a reconsideration of the elephant day declaration of use only for the parking

2524
02:38:42,480 --> 02:38:46,460
to put it to use breakers a lot, especially the one below.

2525
02:38:47,320 --> 02:38:48,360
So that's the only thing.

2526
02:38:48,360 --> 02:38:50,780
somebody, I can reconsider actually.

2527
02:38:50,900 --> 02:38:54,060
I would ask for reconsideration of the Elefante

2528
02:38:54,060 --> 02:38:56,960
Declaration of Youth, and it was the last meeting.

2529
02:38:57,700 --> 02:38:58,760
It was the last meeting.

2530
02:38:59,300 --> 02:38:59,440
It was?

2531
02:38:59,800 --> 02:39:01,420
So I would, yes, it was.

2532
02:39:01,740 --> 02:39:05,360
I would like to ask for reconsideration of the declaration

2533
02:39:05,360 --> 02:39:09,000
of the use agreement only in regard to where they will park.

2534
02:39:09,860 --> 02:39:11,280
And Jamie's here.

2535
02:39:11,720 --> 02:39:12,900
Has the document been prepared?

2536
02:39:15,940 --> 02:39:18,920
Well, but we'd send it to next month, again, only to the parking.

2537
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:21,400
So we can do that.

2538
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:26,400
I just want to make sure that that was on the last region I don't remember.

2539
02:39:26,680 --> 02:39:28,520
Yes, it was on the last development region.

2540
02:39:28,640 --> 02:39:33,440
Yeah, it was, which we're supposed to do it on that Wednesday for development review.

2541
02:39:33,960 --> 02:39:38,520
So I just like to ask if somebody will second that so we can just discuss the parking.

2542
02:39:39,160 --> 02:39:42,100
Everything else I'm fine with, but where they're going to park.

2543
02:39:42,640 --> 02:39:48,860
Because I'm very nervous about them taking up all those spaces with everything that's going on.

2544
02:39:48,860 --> 02:39:52,760
I think we met our parking Julie.

2545
02:39:52,760 --> 02:39:53,600
Under the color.

2546
02:39:53,660 --> 02:39:56,540
No, it's for the Valle, where the Valle will park.

2547
02:39:57,880 --> 02:39:59,560
All second to your motion, Julie.

2548
02:40:03,830 --> 02:40:04,470
Ms. Sarah Scott?

2549
02:40:04,650 --> 02:40:06,090
I think it's important, yes.

2550
02:40:06,730 --> 02:40:07,190
Mr. Cunney?

2551
02:40:07,870 --> 02:40:08,430
Ms. Marianne?

2552
02:40:09,510 --> 02:40:10,170
Mr. Krampton?

2553
02:40:11,430 --> 02:40:11,870
Ms. Lindsay?

2554
02:40:14,330 --> 02:40:14,530
Yes.

2555
02:40:16,410 --> 02:40:17,450
Thank you.

2556
02:40:18,270 --> 02:40:20,430
So that would be our next month's agenda.

2557
02:40:20,430 --> 02:40:23,210
Oh, and then I should say to defer to next month.

2558
02:40:23,210 --> 02:40:24,070
You can't do it now.

2559
02:40:24,290 --> 02:40:25,670
No, it has to be noticed.

2560
02:40:26,170 --> 02:40:27,750
I'm saying next month's agenda.

2561
02:40:28,070 --> 02:40:28,470
It's easy.

2562
02:40:28,670 --> 02:40:29,530
We're just doing parking.

2563
02:40:29,730 --> 02:40:30,650
They have an opened.

2564
02:40:31,710 --> 02:40:36,950
Well, if I can decide, they don't have a right necessarily to use the breakers parking.

2565
02:40:37,490 --> 02:40:37,570
Right?

2566
02:40:37,570 --> 02:40:40,330
And the breakers, they've said that they're going to cooperate.

2567
02:40:40,590 --> 02:40:44,570
But under the code, they're not required to park because they have the one for one

2568
02:40:44,570 --> 02:40:45,470
from what was already there.

2569
02:40:45,750 --> 02:40:47,310
I'd like to discuss it next month.

2570
02:40:47,450 --> 02:40:48,030
That's OK.

2571
02:40:48,370 --> 02:40:49,410
The rest is fine.

2572
02:40:49,410 --> 02:40:52,650
My point is I can't do it now because Paul Leone would have to come in.

2573
02:40:52,650 --> 02:40:55,410
No, no, it's next month. We do it next month.

2574
02:40:55,430 --> 02:40:56,510
Have you re-noticed?

2575
02:40:56,810 --> 02:41:00,610
So do you want to make a motion to defer it to now I make a motion to do?

2576
02:41:00,650 --> 02:41:11,070
So we've said yes, I'd like to make a motion to defer to April 15th just the parking issue of the declaration of use.

2577
02:41:11,330 --> 02:41:12,730
Everything else I'm fine with.

2578
02:41:12,950 --> 02:41:14,470
Well, if I can add something.

2579
02:41:14,590 --> 02:41:19,190
It is what I just did but I guess I have to do the deferral to.

2580
02:41:19,410 --> 02:41:21,570
Well, because you just made a motion to reconsider?

2581
02:41:22,650 --> 02:41:25,290
So now that pass, and now I have to do it to Feral.

2582
02:41:25,870 --> 02:41:27,770
So I've made the motion just to hear that.

2583
02:41:27,770 --> 02:41:29,950
There might, so if we do that,

2584
02:41:30,430 --> 02:41:33,550
I might try to get Nick to fly in Nick May,

2585
02:41:33,550 --> 02:41:35,370
there's a sphere that you guys met.

2586
02:41:35,610 --> 02:41:36,370
Put him online.

2587
02:41:36,870 --> 02:41:40,710
Well, if he's here, I just want him to go through everything

2588
02:41:40,710 --> 02:41:42,090
with you that he understands.

2589
02:41:42,510 --> 02:41:43,990
So I don't want to limit it to just the part.

2590
02:41:44,030 --> 02:41:45,330
If you're reopening it, he might want to.

2591
02:41:45,330 --> 02:41:46,890
No, no, it's just the parking.

2592
02:41:47,370 --> 02:41:48,570
Only the valet parking.

2593
02:41:48,570 --> 02:41:55,350
And that's it. I'm not reopening anything else. So it's just the ballet. Everything else is approved.

2594
02:41:56,170 --> 02:42:00,510
Jamie, everything else is approved. It's just where the ballet partners will park.

2595
02:42:01,190 --> 02:42:03,170
But what if he wants to ask to change other things?

2596
02:42:03,430 --> 02:42:05,470
Well, then he can get on, he can get online.

2597
02:42:05,710 --> 02:42:08,630
I'll have him, I'll have him show up. Yeah, let's just defer it till next month.

2598
02:42:08,670 --> 02:42:11,910
Okay. So that's my motion to defer to April 15.

2599
02:42:12,970 --> 02:42:13,670
Now that we've approved.

2600
02:42:13,670 --> 02:42:14,010
Okay.

2601
02:42:14,010 --> 02:42:21,110
consideration. Mr. Ruskug. Mr. Cooney. Mr. Moran. Mr. Krimpton.

2602
02:42:21,770 --> 02:42:26,110
Miss Lindsay. Yes. Thank you. That's it.

2603
02:42:26,290 --> 02:42:29,170
I don't think we need to re-notice it.

2604
02:42:29,970 --> 02:42:33,750
Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, yeah.

2605
02:42:35,270 --> 02:42:38,050
We have five minutes.

2606
02:42:38,750 --> 02:42:41,410
Can we start with expertise on 95 North County road?

2607
02:42:44,370 --> 02:42:49,310
It was mentioned to me at some point by Mr. Crowley that we're coming forward with a furniture store,

2608
02:42:49,450 --> 02:42:50,490
but that was the extent of the conversation.

2609
02:42:51,410 --> 02:42:57,890
I spoke to Mr. Leone very briefly, and he told me because someone else was interested in his space,

2610
02:42:57,930 --> 02:43:02,890
and he said, I've already leased it or committed to our house.

2611
02:43:03,250 --> 02:43:05,390
So that was the extent of our conversation.

2612
02:43:05,390 --> 02:43:12,130
Now, I did hear it was going to be in our house that may have been from Mr. Crowley. I'm not sure.

2613
02:43:15,680 --> 02:43:24,420
The next item is 0.026004, 95 North County Road. This is more commonly referred to as the

2614
02:43:24,420 --> 02:43:30,820
old post office. It's a special exception request for retail use greater than 3,000 square

2615
02:43:30,820 --> 02:43:37,480
feet in the CTS district. Here's an aerial to orient yourself. It's on the

2616
02:43:37,480 --> 02:43:47,020
eastern terminus of the royal pointy and away medians, to the south is the breakers, one of the

2617
02:43:47,020 --> 02:43:54,540
holes of the breakers golf club, to the north is some retail, to the immediate east is a town-owned

2618
02:43:55,000 --> 02:44:03,220
parking facility and to the west, of course, is the balance of the CTS district and the medians.

2619
02:44:04,790 --> 02:44:09,930
So it is the former U.S. post office, here are some images of the four

2620
02:44:09,930 --> 02:44:12,370
facades of the landmark building.

2621
02:44:14,960 --> 02:44:18,280
And while the historic preservation ordinance does not extend into the common

2622
02:44:18,280 --> 02:44:23,340
public areas of historic buildings, these were supplied by the architect and for

2623
02:44:23,340 --> 02:44:25,180
those who haven't been inside the building.

2624
02:44:25,560 --> 02:44:30,240
You could see that it is really architectural rich in the finishes from

2625
02:44:30,240 --> 02:44:31,640
floor to ceiling.

2626
02:44:31,640 --> 02:44:32,520
And

2627
02:44:36,710 --> 02:44:43,310
it's important to note that this commercial property does have an existing surface parking lot that contains 11 spaces.

2628
02:44:44,570 --> 02:44:47,250
And properly located in the rear of the building.

2629
02:44:50,430 --> 02:44:59,980
Here's the orange yourself with the site plan. Again, the primary front entrance faces west and to the east.

2630
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:11,200
Is the prior mail delivery output, and is also an ADA accessible entrance on an eastern facade?

2631
02:45:12,600 --> 02:45:27,840
There are 17 parking spaces on site, and historically, when this property was converted from the post office to a private office space, the town council at the time granted a variance for 17 parking spaces.

2632
02:45:27,840 --> 02:45:35,740
When you contemplate those 17 parking space variances, which run with the land, and add the 17

2633
02:45:35,740 --> 02:45:41,780
on-site parking spaces, the proposed change of use from private office to the retail space

2634
02:45:41,780 --> 02:45:44,020
is a wash in terms of the requirements.

2635
02:45:44,840 --> 02:45:52,060
It's really interesting to note that of the 14,495 square foot building, the proposed

2636
02:45:52,060 --> 02:46:02,100
improvements actually propose an elimination of 4,292,999 square feet of the second-floor

2637
02:46:02,100 --> 02:46:09,360
measuring area, which is a reduction of square footage of nearly 30%.

2638
02:46:11,730 --> 02:46:13,550
This likely is

2639
02:46:13,550 --> 02:46:18,130
this likely is due to the applicant's proposed use being a furniture store and wanting

2640
02:46:18,130 --> 02:46:26,890
more capacious areas to have a proper showroom to display these furnitures in a very architecturally

2641
02:46:26,890 --> 02:46:30,150
rich setting that you saw those photos that I said.

2642
02:46:31,270 --> 02:46:37,270
However, the zoning district is CTS and it does limit retail uses to 3,000 square feet.

2643
02:46:37,850 --> 02:46:42,710
So regardless of the size of the existing building and regardless of the fact that it's landmark,

2644
02:46:42,710 --> 02:46:48,710
The applicants before you today seeking approval for the special exception of uses greater than

2645
02:46:48,710 --> 02:46:49,650
3,000.

2646
02:46:49,770 --> 02:46:51,710
In this case, 10,196.

2647
02:46:55,090 --> 02:47:02,810
All exterior improvements are modest in nature and the ones that did rise to the level of review

2648
02:47:02,810 --> 02:47:07,290
have been reviewed by the chairwoman of landmarks preservation commission.

2649
02:47:07,830 --> 02:47:10,870
So this is just before you with one motion being required.

2650
02:47:17,470 --> 02:47:30,390
So what happens if the furniture store decides to leave in a year does that mean that somebody can come in and use that 10,000 square feet in its entirety?

2651
02:47:32,070 --> 02:47:41,290
If you grant the approval for that use and of a building permit is pulled, that will change the occupancy from office space to retail use.

2652
02:47:42,370 --> 02:47:51,510
So an applicant, a few, if this, our house doesn't work out and goes out of business and a future retailer wants to come in,

2653
02:47:51,730 --> 02:47:57,710
they would need a separate special exception because it's greater than 3000 square feet.

2654
02:47:58,550 --> 02:48:16,370
In the alternative, if multiple retailers were to come in, and while I wouldn't like to see that happen and subdivide that area, those photographs, if they were to subdivide it, and if they were to be under 3000 square feet, that would be as a matter of right.

2655
02:48:16,830 --> 02:48:22,690
But that would likely require exterior penetrations to the landmark building that would probably be found upon.

2656
02:48:22,690 --> 02:48:26,670
Well, they probably, well, I mean, they could do it from the interior too.

2657
02:48:26,710 --> 02:48:35,130
I just wanted to make that clear that if we approve this, then it can be split, which you

2658
02:48:35,130 --> 02:48:41,750
could enter from the inside, and it also could bring someone else in with 10,000 square feet.

2659
02:48:41,910 --> 02:48:47,210
Again, then that would have to come before this desk for separate requests for special exception.

2660
02:48:47,690 --> 02:48:50,130
So the special exception does not run with the land.

2661
02:48:50,350 --> 02:48:51,470
That runs with the tenant.

2662
02:48:51,470 --> 02:48:59,270
right but they can split it up and therefore they can use 10,000 square no they have office space they'd have to get

2663
02:48:59,270 --> 02:49:10,750
exception to make it a retail okay let's see donny it is your questions for staff and then we go so when

2664
02:49:12,370 --> 02:49:20,970
when it became office space it went I'm sorry it was the post office considered office space a retail space

2665
02:49:22,750 --> 02:49:31,770
The post office was considered the institution, actually, which institutional use, which is

2666
02:49:31,770 --> 02:49:34,230
the same parking requirement as office use.

2667
02:49:34,590 --> 02:49:37,330
Okay, so I mean, you're up next.

2668
02:49:37,950 --> 02:49:43,390
Sorry, so by converting to retail space, that's something that the town encourages retail

2669
02:49:43,390 --> 02:49:44,690
on the first floor, correct?

2670
02:49:45,330 --> 02:49:46,450
Yes, ma'am.

2671
02:49:46,650 --> 02:49:51,450
Okay, I'm trying to remember all the nuances to the code, which can get me to the

2672
02:49:51,450 --> 02:50:13,930
So, an office space would not be traditionally a use that you'd want to see on the ground floor, particularly in a primary location, such as the terminus of Royal Poinsian away, retail uses on the other hand, directly serve the purpose of an intent of the CTS zoning district, which is retail uses, albeit at a smaller scale.

2673
02:50:14,430 --> 02:50:16,670
Okay, thank you. Thank you. Thanks.

2674
02:50:17,250 --> 02:50:19,750
Okay, I don't see any other questions. I have a quick one.

2675
02:50:19,750 --> 02:50:20,510
Oh, another one.

2676
02:50:20,730 --> 02:50:23,570
So is it, I thought there was a second story

2677
02:50:23,570 --> 02:50:24,730
in my wrong on that.

2678
02:50:24,990 --> 02:50:27,550
There is a second floor, and I'm sure the applicant

2679
02:50:27,550 --> 02:50:28,530
will go through these.

2680
02:50:28,550 --> 02:50:30,930
So they could keep that as office, which we're

2681
02:50:30,930 --> 02:50:31,690
fine with.

2682
02:50:32,010 --> 02:50:34,190
That's what they have at the parent map.

2683
02:50:34,290 --> 02:50:36,350
Two stories, one story with.

2684
02:50:36,450 --> 02:50:39,050
An office space is allowed on a second floor, yes.

2685
02:50:39,310 --> 02:50:41,930
Which would then split it up, because you would.

2686
02:50:42,070 --> 02:50:44,490
You could keep it at a lower level.

2687
02:50:44,610 --> 02:50:46,430
So it's not going to 10,000.

2688
02:50:46,710 --> 02:50:48,670
It's going to about half of that.

2689
02:50:51,370 --> 02:50:56,190
I believe the applicant would be able to walk through those plans in their presentation.

2690
02:50:56,850 --> 02:50:57,790
Thank you, James.

2691
02:50:57,850 --> 02:50:58,470
Thank you, James.

2692
02:50:58,790 --> 02:51:00,610
We'll hear from the applicant now.

2693
02:51:01,570 --> 02:51:01,670
Good.

2694
02:51:04,170 --> 02:51:05,530
I'm going to go on my friend.

2695
02:51:05,610 --> 02:51:08,010
You know, he's probably going to switch out for you.

2696
02:51:08,570 --> 02:51:09,690
Thank you for the record.

2697
02:51:10,370 --> 02:51:14,750
My name is Jamie Crowley for the breakers and for our house.

2698
02:51:14,750 --> 02:51:23,670
So to answer your question, when this was converted from the post office use, the prior council

2699
02:51:23,670 --> 02:51:26,650
granted a variance, and you guys talked about this this morning, so I'm not sure

2700
02:51:26,650 --> 02:51:31,110
how it happened, but you granted a variance specifically for Mr. Green to have a family office

2701
02:51:31,110 --> 02:51:31,450
there.

2702
02:51:31,510 --> 02:51:33,570
And if you ever went away, the variance went away.

2703
02:51:34,010 --> 02:51:38,050
And there was a declaration of use agreement at that time, to that effect that was not

2704
02:51:38,050 --> 02:51:40,650
Joanne that was involved with that, but that happened.

2705
02:51:40,650 --> 02:51:50,430
So, at the time, Paul Castro was the zoning administrator and he reviewed this and there was a determination that the post office used was more like traditional retail because people are coming and going.

2706
02:51:50,690 --> 02:52:02,990
So the equivalency for that use not only lines up in your code from institutional to retail, but he also determined when as the zoning administrator at the time that that use was like retail because people are coming and going throughout the day to conduct business.

2707
02:52:03,970 --> 02:52:10,030
So obviously now what we're trying to do is convert that back to retail, which is a permitted use in the town code.

2708
02:52:10,570 --> 02:52:16,010
With respect to carving this building up, not only is it a local landmark, it's on the National Register,

2709
02:52:16,330 --> 02:52:22,850
and when the post office deited it originally, there are federal restrictions on carving up the interior that they put.

2710
02:52:22,990 --> 02:52:26,150
So there are certain things within that building that cannot be physically disturbed.

2711
02:52:26,710 --> 02:52:29,950
So, that is why when we were looking through...

2712
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:57,060
Social tenants for this building and we looked at multiple uses, some of which were way, way more intense than this. We settle on this use because it is a more passive use. Now, a lot of you have heard of our house that this is not the store that you see in the mall. This is their design studio. So what they have here is more of a personal service where they meet with interior designers and they use professional 3D software to design rooms for those end users. So it's not your traditional our house.

2713
02:52:57,060 --> 02:52:59,140
or this is their highest end store,

2714
02:52:59,320 --> 02:53:01,020
which they're catering specifically to the town

2715
02:53:01,020 --> 02:53:01,740
upon beach.

2716
02:53:02,400 --> 02:53:06,440
And they think that this is a perfect spot for them to come into.

2717
02:53:07,240 --> 02:53:10,840
So Julie, to your question about future carve-outs of this,

2718
02:53:10,860 --> 02:53:13,220
it would be difficult because of the federal restrictions

2719
02:53:13,220 --> 02:53:16,200
on disturbing those things within the main building.

2720
02:53:17,140 --> 02:53:19,820
We have worked very hard with preservation foundation

2721
02:53:19,820 --> 02:53:22,920
and with landmarks to restore this building to what it looked.

2722
02:53:23,040 --> 02:53:24,140
We did paint color samples.

2723
02:53:24,400 --> 02:53:26,180
We worked very hard with Amy Sunny.

2724
02:53:28,480 --> 02:53:32,880
to bring this building back and make it look great, and I think we've done that.

2725
02:53:32,900 --> 02:53:38,380
And with this tenant, we think it's something that generates the least possible amount of traffic that you will ever see.

2726
02:53:38,580 --> 02:53:41,000
This is not a traditional common go retail place.

2727
02:53:41,040 --> 02:53:43,960
This is a very unique thing. Brian Kelly is here.

2728
02:53:44,040 --> 02:53:48,640
He can talk about the typical traffic for these uses, which is far far less than your typical retail use.

2729
02:53:49,000 --> 02:53:53,980
But if you want to see any more of the plans and talk about the second story, because part of that second story is going away.

2730
02:53:53,980 --> 02:53:55,380
Keith's being a can talk about.

2731
02:53:55,820 --> 02:53:57,240
Keith, do you want to go through real quickly?

2732
02:53:58,100 --> 02:53:59,080
What we're proposing to do.

2733
02:53:59,340 --> 02:54:00,580
Thank you, and then I'll answer any questions.

2734
02:54:00,820 --> 02:54:01,400
Thank you, Jamie.

2735
02:54:02,300 --> 02:54:02,700
Thank you.

2736
02:54:05,040 --> 02:54:05,720
Good afternoon.

2737
02:54:06,120 --> 02:54:07,700
Keith's being a spin-out rark.

2738
02:54:08,640 --> 02:54:11,240
We kind of go quickly through this.

2739
02:54:14,940 --> 02:54:16,340
Everybody knows where it is.

2740
02:54:16,360 --> 02:54:16,540
Right.

2741
02:54:19,840 --> 02:54:20,620
Existing photos.

2742
02:54:20,780 --> 02:54:24,260
Just some of the earlier photos showed it a couple of generations ago.

2743
02:54:24,440 --> 02:54:26,260
The breakers bought it and then we did the whole outside.

2744
02:54:26,460 --> 02:54:28,120
And it's really quite a building.

2745
02:54:29,620 --> 02:54:31,820
the inside's even more special.

2746
02:54:33,340 --> 02:54:34,780
There's just some of the neighboring projects.

2747
02:54:35,940 --> 02:54:38,060
Here's some of the historic photos, you know,

2748
02:54:38,200 --> 02:54:39,020
in the front part of the building,

2749
02:54:39,240 --> 02:54:42,820
there's the old post office lobby and the post office boxes

2750
02:54:42,820 --> 02:54:45,260
and there's also some really incredible murals

2751
02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:48,720
that exist in the building and all of that

2752
02:54:48,720 --> 02:54:51,580
will not only continue to stay exactly the way it is

2753
02:54:51,580 --> 02:54:54,440
be restored, but also now there's a chance

2754
02:54:54,440 --> 02:54:56,360
that people in the town of Palm Beach will be able to go

2755
02:54:56,360 --> 02:55:00,620
see it, whether it's, you know, Grandpa takes his grandkids and says, when I used to come

2756
02:55:00,620 --> 02:55:05,220
to the post office, it's a pretty interesting, you know, from a historical preservation standpoint,

2757
02:55:05,420 --> 02:55:11,600
it's pretty significant. This shows the post office boxes in that room, the ceilings, the murals,

2758
02:55:12,300 --> 02:55:17,880
there's some architectural tables that are made out of stone, stone floor, all of that is being

2759
02:55:17,880 --> 02:55:23,080
maintained. And, you know, so I think from a preservation standpoint alone, it's going to be

2760
02:55:23,080 --> 02:55:28,960
pretty spectacular. With regards to, and there's one other postmaster office that at a bunch of

2761
02:55:28,960 --> 02:55:34,180
a pecky on the walls, we're going to maintain that as well. With regards to this second floor,

2762
02:55:34,280 --> 02:55:40,220
let me just, so this is the first floor. We're going to remove a bunch of interior offices and open it

2763
02:55:40,220 --> 02:55:47,220
back up for the Design Center on the second floor. There's a pretty elaborate series of spaces on the

2764
02:55:47,220 --> 02:55:52,680
second floor. Everything you see in red is going to be removed, period, and as I think Jane mentioned,

2765
02:55:52,680 --> 02:55:55,940
It's about a 30% reduction in square footage,

2766
02:55:56,760 --> 02:55:59,540
kind of a little bit opposite of what everybody's usually

2767
02:55:59,540 --> 02:56:00,820
up here asking for.

2768
02:56:01,260 --> 02:56:03,540
And so we think that's a, so it would be a little,

2769
02:56:03,780 --> 02:56:05,540
but I think it's what we would call accessories

2770
02:56:05,540 --> 02:56:07,640
to the retail, a little bit of storage area

2771
02:56:07,640 --> 02:56:10,320
and things like that up on the upper level.

2772
02:56:11,280 --> 02:56:13,520
The shifts, the new plan, a couple of the things

2773
02:56:13,520 --> 02:56:15,800
when it comes to, you know, how could you turn this into

2774
02:56:15,800 --> 02:56:17,600
a traditional retail building?

2775
02:56:17,860 --> 02:56:20,600
It was kind of hard to turn it into a single retail

2776
02:56:20,600 --> 02:56:23,460
because there's the parkins in the back.

2777
02:56:23,840 --> 02:56:26,480
The main entrance is technically on the front.

2778
02:56:27,520 --> 02:56:30,640
It's not very pedestrian friendly with regards to parking

2779
02:56:30,640 --> 02:56:32,000
in the middle of Rollpoint, see it in a way

2780
02:56:32,440 --> 02:56:35,460
and walking across the street to get to it.

2781
02:56:35,980 --> 02:56:38,080
But our house came up with a great design

2782
02:56:38,080 --> 02:56:40,680
that created a fabulous back door.

2783
02:56:41,860 --> 02:56:43,800
If we wanted to try, the other thing about the building

2784
02:56:43,800 --> 02:56:46,080
is it's elevated to get to the entrance.

2785
02:56:46,240 --> 02:56:47,960
You have to come up either search from the front

2786
02:56:47,960 --> 02:56:49,580
or ramp and search from the back.

2787
02:56:49,580 --> 02:56:56,120
So, in order to subdivide it, you would have to introduce new stairs and ramps, you would have to introduce new doors,

2788
02:56:56,320 --> 02:57:01,500
you'd have to come in the side of the building, it really from just a pure architectural standpoint.

2789
02:57:02,040 --> 02:57:03,960
I can't imagine, the other is the breakers on it.

2790
02:57:04,540 --> 02:57:11,960
And so, you know, I have a lot of confidence that, you know, I doubt they would let someone come and try to subdivide it into a bunch of retail spaces.

2791
02:57:11,960 --> 02:57:14,340
So, yeah, this is the second level.

2792
02:57:14,500 --> 02:57:18,180
Again, used to be another 4,000 square feet on the second level.

2793
02:57:18,400 --> 02:57:20,680
Now, it's a little stock room or break room,

2794
02:57:21,760 --> 02:57:23,920
you know, not much to it, a couple of bathrooms.

2795
02:57:25,420 --> 02:57:27,240
We did get some signs approved.

2796
02:57:27,500 --> 02:57:31,180
Very, very tiny little signs on the exterior of the building.

2797
02:57:31,540 --> 02:57:34,300
The inside continues to remain as is.

2798
02:57:34,640 --> 02:57:37,620
We fixed an ADA accessible situation.

2799
02:57:38,380 --> 02:57:41,680
We improved the handicap parking access by just flipping it over.

2800
02:57:41,680 --> 02:57:43,180
There are 17 spaces.

2801
02:57:43,720 --> 02:57:44,600
That's what's there today.

2802
02:57:44,660 --> 02:57:45,560
That's what we're maintaining.

2803
02:57:46,720 --> 02:57:50,200
We do have Brian Kelly, as Jamie said, our traffic engineer.

2804
02:57:51,620 --> 02:57:53,640
And that's pretty much it.

2805
02:57:53,980 --> 02:57:54,240
Okay.

2806
02:57:54,440 --> 02:57:55,320
We have two questions.

2807
02:57:55,880 --> 02:57:58,600
Ted and then Bridget and now three.

2808
02:57:59,520 --> 02:58:02,920
Just confirming for the record that the United States post office

2809
02:58:02,920 --> 02:58:04,860
Palm Beach Florida signs days on the building.

2810
02:58:05,040 --> 02:58:05,180
Correct.

2811
02:58:05,980 --> 02:58:06,180
Yes.

2812
02:58:06,400 --> 02:58:07,240
That's the.

2813
02:58:07,360 --> 02:58:08,000
There's the.

2814
02:58:08,000 --> 02:58:09,800
Jeff Green tried to take it off and I made a kick.

2815
02:58:09,800 --> 02:58:10,560
Go back up.

2816
02:58:12,480 --> 02:58:13,740
question for the applicant.

2817
02:58:14,780 --> 02:58:16,560
First statement, thank you to the breakers for keeping

2818
02:58:16,560 --> 02:58:20,660
much of the interior historical features, which I think are important.

2819
02:58:21,160 --> 02:58:23,680
Are you also keeping the U.S. flag outside?

2820
02:58:23,980 --> 02:58:26,160
I think that's important too.

2821
02:58:26,600 --> 02:58:27,980
I don't know.

2822
02:58:28,160 --> 02:58:30,160
If you can, if it's a choice and it's up for grabs,

2823
02:58:30,360 --> 02:58:30,840
can you keep it?

2824
02:58:31,060 --> 02:58:32,580
Because I think it kind of goes with the post office.

2825
02:58:32,680 --> 02:58:34,200
Every post office has one.

2826
02:58:34,700 --> 02:58:37,280
So I think that's kind of cool, just a cool feature.

2827
02:58:37,280 --> 02:58:44,380
On the second floor, are you actually removing the flooring and creating like a view down below and that's how you're redoing the space.

2828
02:58:44,480 --> 02:58:45,760
We're creating tall buildings.

2829
02:58:46,560 --> 02:58:55,220
You can see, if you look at like image number four or five, it now has a really tall ceiling because we got the mezzanine that was built down over it.

2830
02:58:55,280 --> 02:58:57,100
We got that out of the way, you know, big tall ceilings.

2831
02:58:58,020 --> 02:59:00,880
Okay, so that's how you're reducing the space.

2832
02:59:02,460 --> 02:59:07,240
And that's it, I thought it was a nice presentation.

2833
02:59:08,560 --> 02:59:10,880
Yeah, I agree, okay, Julie, you have a question.

2834
02:59:11,260 --> 02:59:12,140
I think I have it.

2835
02:59:13,680 --> 02:59:15,800
So just a couple of quick things.

2836
02:59:16,680 --> 02:59:19,120
So the inside, how much of it is?

2837
02:59:19,140 --> 02:59:22,380
I think someone said that some of the inside cannot be removed.

2838
02:59:22,580 --> 02:59:23,100
Is that correct?

2839
02:59:23,300 --> 02:59:24,280
That asked for registry?

2840
02:59:24,900 --> 02:59:26,080
What is it?

2841
02:59:26,080 --> 02:59:28,020
I mean, could you tell me sorry?

2842
02:59:28,040 --> 02:59:29,060
Yeah, I could show you that.

2843
02:59:31,320 --> 02:59:36,540
there's a you know the it's really kind of a couple one big room the main post office

2844
02:59:36,540 --> 02:59:42,420
law so the one that has the okay the boxes and then the postmaster the murals the

2845
02:59:43,460 --> 02:59:48,320
the package I was any of the tables okay and it's not we're saving some of it we're

2846
02:59:48,320 --> 02:59:55,620
saving every single little tiny piece of it great and um well I think I think we are as part

2847
02:59:55,620 --> 02:59:56,680
Okay, I think.

2848
02:59:58,900 --> 02:59:59,140
Okay.

2849
02:59:59,540 --> 02:59:59,980
And then...

2850
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:16,740
The only thing I wanted to say is that, you know, the breakers could always sell it in the future. We know the breakers do an awesome job, but I just want to say they could sell it, so it could become a different type of outer for us than the breakers is. And then where will the employees park?

2851
03:00:21,040 --> 03:00:22,380
They can park on site, Julie.

2852
03:00:22,560 --> 03:00:23,220
There's an parking there.

2853
03:00:23,240 --> 03:00:24,660
There's that many employees.

2854
03:00:25,020 --> 03:00:25,420
That's right.

2855
03:00:25,480 --> 03:00:27,020
And there's not that many people coming and going.

2856
03:00:27,140 --> 03:00:29,840
This is something where you have professionals coming in to help

2857
03:00:29,840 --> 03:00:30,540
design a house.

2858
03:00:30,720 --> 03:00:31,160
So it's not.

2859
03:00:31,880 --> 03:00:33,420
Well, I think we did a great job.

2860
03:00:33,800 --> 03:00:34,720
Thank you.

2861
03:00:35,080 --> 03:00:35,340
Okay.

2862
03:00:37,020 --> 03:00:37,420
10?

2863
03:00:38,940 --> 03:00:39,160
Yeah.

2864
03:00:39,220 --> 03:00:41,440
Just sight wise.

2865
03:00:41,780 --> 03:00:42,660
Two housekeeping things.

2866
03:00:42,760 --> 03:00:44,580
In James's slide, there was a street view.

2867
03:00:44,580 --> 03:00:50,900
There's a metal painted yellow railing that divides the on-site parking from the town

2868
03:00:50,900 --> 03:00:56,480
lot behind that in that picture was kind of bent and doesn't look so great and then

2869
03:00:56,480 --> 03:01:01,640
the other is there's kind of a not very nice wood gate on the dumpster enclosure and wondering

2870
03:01:01,640 --> 03:01:06,100
if those are two areas that could get cleaned up, especially since the rear will be the

2871
03:01:06,100 --> 03:01:11,320
primary entrance for them, but they may be interested in that as well.

2872
03:01:12,020 --> 03:01:22,780
Yes, is the answer. I think they're already cleaned up. I think the wood gate, I mean, ought to be a more attractive metal gate on that dumpster enclosure or something.

2873
03:01:23,360 --> 03:01:23,960
The answer is yes.

2874
03:01:24,200 --> 03:01:24,460
Yes.

2875
03:01:24,860 --> 03:01:24,980
Okay.

2876
03:01:26,380 --> 03:01:26,660
Good.

2877
03:01:27,460 --> 03:01:27,780
Okay.

2878
03:01:28,580 --> 03:01:33,320
All right. Well, thank you. You can sit down. We're going to just have to put it to the public.

2879
03:01:33,940 --> 03:01:35,020
There's any comments.

2880
03:01:35,020 --> 03:01:41,260
on the public on this issue. Seeing none, nobody online.

2881
03:01:43,060 --> 03:01:43,980
How about a motion?

2882
03:01:49,430 --> 03:01:50,930
Nobody interested in it.

2883
03:01:52,790 --> 03:01:53,770
I'm great at motion.

2884
03:01:58,130 --> 03:01:59,590
I'm a special exception.

2885
03:01:59,850 --> 03:02:00,010
Great.

2886
03:02:00,470 --> 03:02:01,530
Richard Mike's not on.

2887
03:02:01,590 --> 03:02:02,190
Oh sorry.

2888
03:02:03,490 --> 03:02:06,570
I'm going to approve a special exception number

2889
03:02:10,830 --> 03:02:16,570
0N26-004 and site-plan review number, I don't have that.

2890
03:02:17,290 --> 03:02:17,450
Same.

2891
03:02:17,930 --> 03:02:18,310
Thank you.

2892
03:02:18,570 --> 03:02:19,710
Told you I'm not good at this.

2893
03:02:20,050 --> 03:02:29,630
As said applications, meet the criteria set forth in sections 134-229 and 134-329 respectively of the

2894
03:02:29,630 --> 03:02:35,090
town code and finding that approval of the site plan will not inversely affect public interest

2895
03:02:35,090 --> 03:02:39,310
that all zoning requirements governing the use have been met and that the

2896
03:02:39,310 --> 03:02:43,750
satisfactory provision and arrangement has been made concerning these

2897
03:02:43,750 --> 03:02:48,210
concerning items one through 11 of Section 1, 3, 4,

2898
03:02:48,510 --> 03:02:50,150
dash 3, 2, 9.

2899
03:02:50,630 --> 03:02:52,630
Can't go ahead, Julie.

2900
03:02:56,420 --> 03:02:59,580
And keeping the post office, do we have to do that lettering?

2901
03:02:59,580 --> 03:03:03,040
And just to be clear, keeping the post office lettering.

2902
03:03:03,120 --> 03:03:07,720
Keep the American flag and that you keep the Palm Beach post office signing

2903
03:03:07,720 --> 03:03:19,460
out front as is, and that you replace the garbage enclosure gate, and that you address the railing.

2904
03:03:20,180 --> 03:03:26,720
And then lastly, that they keep what they presented to us, all the interiors that they presented to us.

2905
03:03:27,680 --> 03:03:32,740
And that they keep the historical features of the interiors as presented.

2906
03:03:33,480 --> 03:03:33,920
Okay.

2907
03:03:35,840 --> 03:03:36,480
Ms. Moran.

2908
03:03:36,900 --> 03:03:37,780
Yes, Mr. Campton.

2909
03:03:38,000 --> 03:03:38,440
Yes.

2910
03:03:38,440 --> 03:03:38,840
Mr. Scott.

2911
03:03:39,240 --> 03:03:39,320
Yes.

2912
03:03:39,640 --> 03:03:40,080
Mr. Cunning.

2913
03:03:40,420 --> 03:03:40,860
Yes.

2914
03:03:42,460 --> 03:03:44,460
And I'd like to thank the breakers.

2915
03:03:44,800 --> 03:03:48,260
The paint job and landscape cleanup on this was sorely needed.

2916
03:03:48,440 --> 03:03:49,540
And it looks so much better.

2917
03:03:50,020 --> 03:03:50,600
So, thank you.

2918
03:03:50,940 --> 03:03:51,480
Thank you.

2919
03:03:51,520 --> 03:03:53,320
And thank them for this great.

2920
03:03:54,260 --> 03:03:56,140
What they're doing with the post office please.

2921
03:03:56,160 --> 03:03:57,760
Yeah, I think this is going to be a good use.

2922
03:03:58,360 --> 03:03:58,560
Okay.

2923
03:03:59,040 --> 03:03:59,360
All right.

2924
03:03:59,360 --> 03:04:02,020
Now, we're going to move to our time, certain it, too.

2925
03:04:02,040 --> 03:04:03,700
Sorry, we're a little bit late there.

2926
03:04:03,940 --> 03:04:05,940
That took a lot longer than we thought.

2927
03:04:06,260 --> 03:04:10,600
Can I swear, if you want to swear in anybody who's going to speak,

2928
03:04:10,980 --> 03:04:12,900
I'm going to give the rules of speaking, though.

2929
03:04:13,320 --> 03:04:16,820
If you plan on speaking today, can you please stand and be sworn

2930
03:04:16,820 --> 03:04:18,200
in by raising your right hand?

2931
03:04:18,420 --> 03:04:19,780
You've not been sworn in.

2932
03:04:22,330 --> 03:04:25,150
Do you plan or, sorry, do you swear from the testimony

2933
03:04:25,150 --> 03:04:26,490
which you're about to give is the truth?

2934
03:04:26,530 --> 03:04:27,830
The whole truth and nothing but the truth.

2935
03:04:27,970 --> 03:04:28,490
So, help you, God?

2936
03:04:32,210 --> 03:04:32,430
OK.

2937
03:04:32,430 --> 03:04:38,730
All right, before we get started, I just want to make sure that everybody understands

2938
03:04:39,450 --> 03:04:48,030
that this is not a forum where we're going to revisit whether or not the, well, I'll just

2939
03:04:48,030 --> 03:04:48,650
put it this way.

2940
03:04:49,010 --> 03:04:50,490
This is an approved club.

2941
03:04:51,230 --> 03:04:58,270
We are now reviewing today, we're finishing the review of our declaration of use agreement.

2942
03:04:58,270 --> 03:05:06,090
We will take eventually comments from the public about a declaration of use agreement, but not for anything other than that.

2943
03:05:06,990 --> 03:05:11,090
So I want to make sure that's clear. And Joanne, is there anything else I should add?

2944
03:05:11,750 --> 03:05:12,990
No, I think that covers it.

2945
03:05:13,350 --> 03:05:14,910
Okay. So

2946
03:05:17,150 --> 03:05:18,890
let's get going then.

2947
03:05:20,030 --> 03:05:24,430
Oh, you want, yes, we'll go to X-part-tap first and then Julie has a question.

2948
03:05:25,250 --> 03:05:25,410
Go ahead.

2949
03:05:26,980 --> 03:05:35,340
I have had no expertise since the last meeting on the declaration of use.

2950
03:05:35,880 --> 03:05:41,640
I did have a conversation with Mr. Werner who was advocating for a later closing time

2951
03:05:41,640 --> 03:05:45,160
than is proposed in the document and that was it.

2952
03:05:46,320 --> 03:05:50,400
I may have, I don't think so, but did I have a talk to you, Mr. Yubanks?

2953
03:05:52,000 --> 03:05:53,980
And I, Jerry, did I talk to you?

2954
03:05:54,300 --> 03:05:54,320
No.

2955
03:05:54,320 --> 03:05:57,460
Right, since with the last meeting, okay, so I've had none.

2956
03:05:58,260 --> 03:05:58,820
Oh, I apologize.

2957
03:05:59,000 --> 03:06:01,700
I also spoke with Mr. Zero since the hearing,

2958
03:06:02,380 --> 03:06:04,540
but I don't recall how substantive we got

2959
03:06:04,540 --> 03:06:05,900
on the declaration of this.

2960
03:06:06,380 --> 03:06:07,300
And were there letters?

2961
03:06:07,420 --> 03:06:08,300
I'm trying to remember.

2962
03:06:08,900 --> 03:06:10,840
Yes, for Mr. Yubanks and Mr. Smith.

2963
03:06:10,980 --> 03:06:12,120
Right. Right.

2964
03:06:13,700 --> 03:06:13,860
The,

2965
03:06:15,940 --> 03:06:19,240
I would ask Mr. Smith, and I know you're very passionate

2966
03:06:19,240 --> 03:06:22,560
about this, but it would be great if you could put 20 letters

2967
03:06:22,560 --> 03:06:26,280
and to one for us. Thank you.

2968
03:06:27,060 --> 03:06:34,720
No, I had said I read the letters and I know I spoke with Mr. Zaro, just in general terms

2969
03:06:34,720 --> 03:06:42,720
after the last meeting once. I don't think I remember anything too specific. Go ahead,

2970
03:06:43,020 --> 03:06:43,060
Lou.

2971
03:06:43,920 --> 03:06:50,140
Well, I mean, I don't know the campaign trail. There's a lot of talk about it, but I don't

2972
03:06:50,140 --> 03:06:55,740
I believe I've had any conversations since our last meeting with any of the principles.

2973
03:06:57,780 --> 03:06:58,520
So none.

2974
03:06:59,460 --> 03:07:03,920
I read the letters from Mr. Yubang, Mr. Smith, and I had a conversation with Mr.

2975
03:07:04,060 --> 03:07:09,040
Canders who wanted to ensure that there was verbiage in the declaration of use, that

2976
03:07:09,040 --> 03:07:12,120
the club level where the club space was.

2977
03:07:13,380 --> 03:07:13,600
Okay.

2978
03:07:14,500 --> 03:07:14,740
Okay.

2979
03:07:15,020 --> 03:07:15,780
Thank you.

2980
03:07:16,300 --> 03:07:17,100
I'm going to be brief.

2981
03:07:17,100 --> 03:07:19,440
I think my name is Jamie Crowley for the record.

2982
03:07:20,200 --> 03:07:23,940
We have spent probably five hours on this agreement so far,

2983
03:07:24,100 --> 03:07:28,000
and what I did was I took exactly what you told me to,

2984
03:07:28,060 --> 03:07:29,980
and I put it into this agreement, and Joanne and I...

2985
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:42,600
I have spent a lot of times going through it. The one thing I asked you at the end of the last meeting is to consider whether or not we could stay open later on the weekends. I did put the time that you imposed on us, which was 11 o'clock.

2986
03:07:43,720 --> 03:07:55,340
And my argument for that is that if there's a problem we're coming back in six months and you can take that away. If not, we have to wait two years before we can extend that.

2987
03:07:55,340 --> 03:08:00,780
So I would ask you to give us a little leeway on the weekends only if you would be so

2988
03:08:00,780 --> 03:08:02,740
kind as to consider that.

2989
03:08:03,920 --> 03:08:08,340
paragraph two, we did not change, this is what we've gone through, every one of these

2990
03:08:08,340 --> 03:08:12,540
paragraphs, and I'm showing and strike through what has changed.

2991
03:08:13,580 --> 03:08:18,440
paragraph four, Lester really would like to have live music, there's always been live music.

2992
03:08:18,960 --> 03:08:20,360
I stated that to you.

2993
03:08:21,220 --> 03:08:24,540
So if you would like to reconsider that, I would ask you to.

2994
03:08:24,540 --> 03:08:33,400
Obviously, we're subject to the noise ordinance and any disturbance that is audible to the neighbors would be a problem under the declaration of use agreement and

2995
03:08:36,020 --> 03:08:41,040
Personally, I really love live music. I like playing music. I think it's good for people to get out and hear it

2996
03:08:41,480 --> 03:08:48,280
So I'm a little concerned about this move to ban live music. If it's not bothering anyone, but that's just me

2997
03:08:51,100 --> 03:08:53,100
Let's see what's next paragraph

2998
03:08:53,100 --> 03:08:56,640
I can see better on the paper, so I'm going to read my paper.

2999
03:08:57,260 --> 03:08:59,820
paragraph five, I don't think we changed paragraph six.

3000
03:09:00,020 --> 03:09:02,980
We did not change, paragraph seven, we did not change.

3001
03:09:03,620 --> 03:09:05,440
paragraph eight, we did not change.

3002
03:09:06,180 --> 03:09:10,100
paragraph nine was reflected to change to reflect the modifications

3003
03:09:10,100 --> 03:09:12,800
that you imposed on us at the last meeting.

3004
03:09:15,060 --> 03:09:18,920
With the revised maximum occupancy, which, again, we didn't like,

3005
03:09:20,040 --> 03:09:21,560
but you told us to do that.

3006
03:09:21,560 --> 03:09:23,680
So that's what is in the agreement.

3007
03:09:25,000 --> 03:09:27,480
The valet parking is going to be made available.

3008
03:09:28,680 --> 03:09:30,720
I'd number 10, Jamie, that should be 545,

3009
03:09:30,820 --> 03:09:31,260
could I?

3010
03:09:31,400 --> 03:09:32,800
It's a square of an RSAR.

3011
03:09:33,180 --> 03:09:34,840
Let me see if I did it in the paper.

3012
03:09:35,820 --> 03:09:36,980
Because I thought I had done it.

3013
03:09:37,080 --> 03:09:38,940
It should be 545, and I agreed to that.

3014
03:09:39,080 --> 03:09:39,920
Thank you.

3015
03:09:41,650 --> 03:09:44,250
The events we reduced to one.

3016
03:09:44,290 --> 03:09:45,770
This is what you told us to do.

3017
03:09:46,010 --> 03:09:47,710
We referenced the proper paragraphs.

3018
03:09:49,610 --> 03:09:51,770
Keep such records for 24 months.

3019
03:09:53,270 --> 03:10:01,190
12 is New Year's, 13 is preserving the residential character of Sunrise Sunset.

3020
03:10:02,270 --> 03:10:07,990
We put some language in there about asking our members not to park on these streets.

3021
03:10:08,490 --> 03:10:13,430
And again, we're a little puzzling that people can't use public parking.

3022
03:10:13,570 --> 03:10:16,570
We're going to tell them they can't use public parking if other people in the community

3023
03:10:16,570 --> 03:10:16,930
can.

3024
03:10:17,190 --> 03:10:22,330
I don't know how it makes sense to tell one business that their customers can't use a public

3025
03:10:22,330 --> 03:10:29,570
parking meter where others can, so, and if people are out there causing trouble that are

3026
03:10:29,570 --> 03:10:33,650
going to contain or somewhere else and we get blamed for it, that's going to be frustrating

3027
03:10:33,650 --> 03:10:34,390
as well.

3028
03:10:34,710 --> 03:10:39,150
So if there's public parking that's available for others at night, I think that's generally

3029
03:10:39,150 --> 03:10:42,370
problematic, but I've said so on the record,

3030
03:10:44,740 --> 03:10:46,160
14 is the Valley Parking Permit.

3031
03:10:46,160 --> 03:10:50,580
This is where I did put a 545 Wayne, so I'm sorry that wasn't consistent in the private

3032
03:10:50,580 --> 03:10:58,700
paragraph, but I put it in here. We added Sunrise to the Valley Parking. I clarify that the

3033
03:10:58,700 --> 03:11:02,820
Valley Parking, even if it changes it needs to remain on site, I think that's something that

3034
03:11:02,820 --> 03:11:04,500
you asked me to do.

3035
03:11:06,770 --> 03:11:11,910
Total club dining will include bar seats of which for maximum of 40 can be

3036
03:11:11,910 --> 03:11:19,610
outside. Club trash we added this language that you asked us to and to coordinate with public works.

3037
03:11:20,330 --> 03:11:26,690
The deliveries, I did the best I could to put down the language that you asked us to.

3038
03:11:26,930 --> 03:11:30,830
I did have a discussion with public works and they said no way you can't do deliveries

3039
03:11:30,830 --> 03:11:31,710
on county roads.

3040
03:11:31,910 --> 03:11:37,610
So unfortunately, even though I think that would be a lot better, they said it's a safety

3041
03:11:37,610 --> 03:11:37,850
issue.

3042
03:11:37,990 --> 03:11:39,750
They didn't want people doing deliveries on county roads.

3043
03:11:39,890 --> 03:11:45,350
So we're stuck with what we've got and frankly they think that the Sunrise Avenue

3044
03:11:47,130 --> 03:11:51,410
They say that there's loading zones like that all over town, people use them and it doesn't cause problems.

3045
03:11:53,250 --> 03:11:56,890
So I don't want to speak for them, but they absolutely said no, you cannot park.

3046
03:11:57,170 --> 03:12:02,010
So I took out the language where I said, I'm going to talk to public works to see if they'll let us do it because the answer was no.

3047
03:12:06,920 --> 03:12:08,300
I don't know why there's no night.

3048
03:12:08,520 --> 03:12:09,340
Oh, there we are.

3049
03:12:11,480 --> 03:12:12,660
There's a 19 now.

3050
03:12:13,940 --> 03:12:16,800
I think it's just moved downwards to be up.

3051
03:12:16,800 --> 03:12:19,520
I'll call it trash because number 18 and all of the resources.

3052
03:12:19,520 --> 03:12:20,520
I'm sorry.

3053
03:12:24,030 --> 03:12:27,490
So the smaller trucks we talked about that were if they're not beeping, they can come in

3054
03:12:27,490 --> 03:12:31,590
early because we need them for the cafe in the club in the morning to deliver a fresh

3055
03:12:31,590 --> 03:12:31,910
food.

3056
03:12:32,130 --> 03:12:36,010
The construction management agreement will be negotiated with Wayne and staff.

3057
03:12:36,550 --> 03:12:37,970
Schedule of construction phases.

3058
03:12:38,330 --> 03:12:45,770
We asked, I'm sorry, we added to the agreement communications provided to the neighbors

3059
03:12:45,770 --> 03:12:46,810
and community reps.

3060
03:12:47,090 --> 03:12:51,010
I think what you discussed earlier makes a lot of sense with respect to four arts.

3061
03:12:52,070 --> 03:12:56,630
providing a phone number for the for the form and that's something we'll agree to, that's not a problem.

3062
03:13:00,400 --> 03:13:06,080
And then we added Bridget for you the language about maintaining the buildings and improvements in the best.

3063
03:13:06,300 --> 03:13:14,380
This came from the Elefonte declaration of use. I just cut and paste that so the landscape being the buildings will be maintained in.

3064
03:13:14,620 --> 03:13:16,720
Best Palm Beach standards and practices.

3065
03:13:23,610 --> 03:13:25,810
See now we're on church use.

3066
03:13:28,290 --> 03:13:28,770
We

3067
03:13:31,520 --> 03:13:35,280
would like to add eight o'clock a.m. for the church use if we're stopping 11.45.

3068
03:13:35,540 --> 03:13:38,640
I did put that in here. I don't know that you agreed to that last time.

3069
03:13:39,400 --> 03:13:41,260
We didn't. What did you ask for again?

3070
03:13:42,060 --> 03:13:47,340
To go earlier in the morning eight o'clock for church eight to 11.45 to stop before.

3071
03:13:47,600 --> 03:13:48,660
So there's no overlap with the club.

3072
03:13:49,040 --> 03:13:52,400
Do you want me to talk after it was supposed to be to 11?

3073
03:13:53,320 --> 03:13:57,680
Originally we had said nine to 11 in the agreement when we talked to you.

3074
03:13:57,680 --> 03:14:03,840
My only concern there is, you know, people like to hang out, they talk for half an hour.

3075
03:14:04,100 --> 03:14:06,320
You can't push somebody out of a church.

3076
03:14:07,480 --> 03:14:15,060
So, I mean, it should be 1130 if you're going to open the club at 12, 1145 if you're opening it at 1215.

3077
03:14:16,100 --> 03:14:17,440
You know, you need half an hour.

3078
03:14:17,640 --> 03:14:19,840
I got a church, we all hang out.

3079
03:14:20,060 --> 03:14:25,360
You know, it's not just talk for two minutes and run to your car.

3080
03:14:25,360 --> 03:14:27,280
I recall it differently.

3081
03:14:28,200 --> 03:14:31,460
I kind of recall it being 11, it was 12 and we, and...

3082
03:14:31,460 --> 03:14:33,860
No, they came forward with 11.45.

3083
03:14:34,260 --> 03:14:36,420
I asked for 11.30 and we said we did.

3084
03:14:36,420 --> 03:14:38,420
I think everyone was okay with 11.45.

3085
03:14:39,080 --> 03:14:41,200
What we didn't get a decision on was eight o'clock.

3086
03:14:41,380 --> 03:14:42,060
I asked if we could see it.

3087
03:14:42,060 --> 03:14:43,920
I'd rather do nine.

3088
03:14:44,120 --> 03:14:44,440
Okay.

3089
03:14:44,800 --> 03:14:45,860
So we're not feeling it.

3090
03:14:45,880 --> 03:14:47,160
The only thing is nine.

3091
03:14:47,340 --> 03:14:50,440
Nine's a big mass at St. Edward's right across the street.

3092
03:14:51,020 --> 03:14:52,020
Already long scheduled.

3093
03:14:52,020 --> 03:14:59,800
some maybe eight would spread the, you know, spread, but I'm just thinking they're in a good

3094
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:09,940
They can have two weddings. They can't really have any wedding. They can't have any wedding. Yes, they can. We can't limit them having not having weddings.

3095
03:15:10,280 --> 03:15:11,700
Well, I can have two. Okay.

3096
03:15:12,380 --> 03:15:21,840
My look, we can go through this after my, my thought on the matter is that it's not right or constitutional to restrict religious services.

3097
03:15:21,880 --> 03:15:25,460
We can. Well, you're not doing it for anyone else. Who else can?

3098
03:15:25,460 --> 03:15:27,000
I'm not going to talk about weddings.

3099
03:15:27,180 --> 03:15:27,720
No, no.

3100
03:15:27,820 --> 03:15:29,280
I said we can't limit that.

3101
03:15:29,660 --> 03:15:29,680
Sorry.

3102
03:15:29,680 --> 03:15:30,480
You've got the time.

3103
03:15:31,340 --> 03:15:32,820
I think it's a talk.

3104
03:15:33,040 --> 03:15:34,820
There's no issue with traffic on Sunday morning.

3105
03:15:34,860 --> 03:15:38,080
We'll talk about it after I just wanted to bring that up.

3106
03:15:38,200 --> 03:15:38,600
Wait a minute.

3107
03:15:38,840 --> 03:15:40,340
No, we're going to pass it today.

3108
03:15:40,760 --> 03:15:42,600
I have another question.

3109
03:15:42,620 --> 03:15:42,920
Okay.

3110
03:15:43,240 --> 03:15:43,540
We're just.

3111
03:15:43,820 --> 03:15:45,280
Well, you're.

3112
03:15:45,420 --> 03:15:46,680
What are we proposing?

3113
03:15:47,020 --> 03:15:48,200
If we're taking a fall to 11.

3114
03:15:48,780 --> 03:15:49,820
40 with eight to 11.

3115
03:15:50,780 --> 03:15:50,880
30.

3116
03:15:51,220 --> 03:15:51,700
11.

3117
03:15:53,200 --> 03:15:53,680
11.

3118
03:15:53,680 --> 03:15:59,460
I prefer because people may go and you can't blame him. I think 8 o'clock is fine with me 8 o'clock 11 30. I'm okay with

3119
03:15:59,900 --> 03:16:06,360
Yeah, I'm fine. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you. I agree with you. If we get 8 o'clock, yeah, we'll agree to 11 30.

3120
03:16:06,640 --> 03:16:12,140
Yeah, okay. 8 o'clock. I'm sure. Done. Okay. I have other questions. I didn't realize you wanted it.

3121
03:16:12,140 --> 03:16:19,520
I'm going 0.5. Point. Well, I didn't do it. I'm sorry. I thought you wanted us to wait till he made the, we didn't make that clear.

3122
03:16:19,520 --> 03:16:21,600
So, I'm here at your...

3123
03:16:21,600 --> 03:16:22,940
Well, I'm here at your address.

3124
03:16:23,000 --> 03:16:23,360
Okay.

3125
03:16:23,680 --> 03:16:26,000
Then we should go back to the beginning.

3126
03:16:26,840 --> 03:16:28,340
Well, then, why don't I just finish?

3127
03:16:28,560 --> 03:16:29,120
Because I'm almost done.

3128
03:16:29,120 --> 03:16:30,880
Yeah, I'm going to make a little back to you.

3129
03:16:31,080 --> 03:16:31,340
Okay.

3130
03:16:34,810 --> 03:16:35,870
Let's see, Cafe.

3131
03:16:36,070 --> 03:16:37,030
I just clean up the language.

3132
03:16:37,350 --> 03:16:40,190
We like the words of which, so I kept including those.

3133
03:16:40,530 --> 03:16:43,330
So that there's no maximum number inside.

3134
03:16:43,390 --> 03:16:45,490
I'm sorry, maximum number outside.

3135
03:16:45,650 --> 03:16:46,590
They can move those outside.

3136
03:16:46,770 --> 03:16:48,650
I think Ted suggested that.

3137
03:16:49,730 --> 03:16:55,230
I talked, oh, the cafe, there's not going to be any music or live music or dancing in the cafe.

3138
03:16:55,510 --> 03:17:03,210
When I was talking about having live music, I went within the main club inside of the building where no one's going to hear it, obviously they don't want to have that in the cafe.

3139
03:17:04,950 --> 03:17:07,950
Deliveries, we did the same thing for the cafe that we did for the club.

3140
03:17:10,680 --> 03:17:17,100
I think I worked out what my concern was with Joanne earlier, which is this last sentence,

3141
03:17:18,420 --> 03:17:21,540
which I had stricken on corrected beyond the date.

3142
03:17:23,180 --> 03:17:27,400
So my concern previously that I raised during Elifante was there had to be some standard

3143
03:17:27,400 --> 03:17:30,020
for when you're going to try to revoke the use.

3144
03:17:30,220 --> 03:17:36,640
But I think Joanne, didn't we find in this that we would come back to the council after the

3145
03:17:36,640 --> 03:17:41,080
enforcement. I would just like to understand that that would be a quasi-judicial

3146
03:17:41,080 --> 03:17:45,460
proceeding so that there's some rules and standards of how it's going to go

3147
03:17:45,460 --> 03:17:48,860
so it's a legal proceeding that would have a pellet right and as long as that's

3148
03:17:48,860 --> 03:17:53,240
understood I would be okay with that. And you would agree to add in the last sentence

3149
03:17:53,240 --> 03:17:57,620
then when it comes back to town council at that hearing with 30 days written

3150
03:17:57,620 --> 03:18:02,100
notice that the town council would then have the authority to revise or ascend.

3151
03:18:03,520 --> 03:18:09,960
Yes, if it has found that the representations that were made to the council are not being met

3152
03:18:09,960 --> 03:18:14,820
and they cannot be corrected, and that would be a quasi-judicial where we would have

3153
03:18:14,820 --> 03:18:16,240
the opportunity to present evidence.

3154
03:18:17,780 --> 03:18:18,080
That's fine.

3155
03:18:18,200 --> 03:18:22,220
I think that you have the power to do that through the other declarations of use I've worked

3156
03:18:22,220 --> 03:18:23,060
on that's been in there.

3157
03:18:23,280 --> 03:18:23,920
So that's not different.

3158
03:18:24,060 --> 03:18:25,840
So it's not just that there are violations.

3159
03:18:26,100 --> 03:18:30,180
It's that there are violations because I thought we talked about the fact that if you came

3160
03:18:30,180 --> 03:18:35,020
back forward came back before us and we needed to tweak a couple of things that we could do

3161
03:18:35,020 --> 03:18:35,280
it.

3162
03:18:35,380 --> 03:18:38,940
So, if you make it, that it is a pellet and has to do it.

3163
03:18:38,940 --> 03:18:40,420
I'm not talking about the agreement.

3164
03:18:40,620 --> 03:18:42,720
I'm talking about revoking the use.

3165
03:18:42,980 --> 03:18:46,040
So, there has to be a standard under which you revoked and approved.

3166
03:18:46,060 --> 03:18:47,380
From you, you mean?

3167
03:18:47,680 --> 03:18:48,240
I'm sorry.

3168
03:18:48,580 --> 03:18:49,100
From you.

3169
03:18:49,100 --> 03:18:49,920
In a few.

3170
03:18:49,920 --> 03:18:50,140
From you.

3171
03:18:50,380 --> 03:18:52,240
So, that's right.

3172
03:18:52,320 --> 03:18:54,020
Because I don't like run with the land.

3173
03:18:54,080 --> 03:18:56,780
That concern makes it said this shall run with the land.

3174
03:18:56,780 --> 03:19:03,920
Well, we went through that a lot and the reason for that was we wanted it to be more like a deed restriction but then as we did this morning

3175
03:19:03,920 --> 03:19:06,020
We said if there's a change of use

3176
03:19:06,980 --> 03:19:12,200
They would have to come back get a new special exception. Okay, that's what I'm asking for because right now

3177
03:19:12,200 --> 03:19:14,140
It says run with the land

3178
03:19:14,140 --> 03:19:18,400
Like it did this morning, which would mean they they that there could be some issues

3179
03:19:18,400 --> 03:19:22,180
I don't understand we have to clarify that door

3180
03:19:27,300 --> 03:19:37,060
I'm just saying it, but it also says it shall run with the land. So that seems a little contradictory.

3181
03:19:38,640 --> 03:19:46,740
Do you see what I'm saying? I mean, in one place it says, if the ownership changes, then it's not the case, but then later it says it runs with the land.

3182
03:19:46,740 --> 03:19:53,360
I think it needs to read differently so that it clarifies that it does not run with the

3183
03:19:53,360 --> 03:19:59,340
land and perpetuity, but that it, if ownership changes, then they have to, do you know what I'm

3184
03:19:59,340 --> 03:20:02,540
saying, Joe, and because right now the way it's written, it can be contradictory.

3185
03:20:03,720 --> 03:20:09,220
Well, what we were seeking to do by changing it to that was making this like a deed restriction,

3186
03:20:10,380 --> 03:20:14,780
that would not go away, and that was something that the council was wrong.

3187
03:20:14,780 --> 03:20:22,780
But the other problem is if you get the other owner then what happens to an if it says it runs with the land couldn't they argue

3188
03:20:23,820 --> 03:20:32,560
That they don't have to come before us because it runs with the land from illegal perspective if you need a special exception they have to come before you

3189
03:20:32,560 --> 03:20:32,940
The agreement

3190
03:20:32,940 --> 03:20:44,360
The agreement runs with the land and if the agreement says that the new majority in the agreement that that's effectively a de-distriction if it says the new majority owner comes back has to come back then there are notice of that

3191
03:20:44,780 --> 03:20:45,100
Okay.

3192
03:20:45,420 --> 03:20:46,640
And that's the point of it.

3193
03:20:46,760 --> 03:20:46,860
So that's...

3194
03:20:46,860 --> 03:20:47,040
Okay.

3195
03:20:47,040 --> 03:20:48,040
I just wanted to be sure.

3196
03:20:48,100 --> 03:20:48,560
Thank you.

3197
03:20:51,520 --> 03:20:51,960
Okay.

3198
03:20:52,300 --> 03:20:55,580
I think that's all I've got.

3199
03:20:55,860 --> 03:20:57,740
Happy to go through questions if you like.

3200
03:20:57,920 --> 03:20:59,180
However you want to do it.

3201
03:21:01,750 --> 03:21:02,190
Okay.

3202
03:21:03,030 --> 03:21:03,970
Oh, Julie, you're finished?

3203
03:21:04,490 --> 03:21:04,630
All right.

3204
03:21:04,850 --> 03:21:05,550
Then it starts.

3205
03:21:05,930 --> 03:21:06,170
Okay.

3206
03:21:07,990 --> 03:21:08,250
All right.

3207
03:21:08,610 --> 03:21:10,650
Lou, you were next, but you're off now, suddenly.

3208
03:21:11,050 --> 03:21:15,510
Since what we're reading, Jamie is a proffer from the owner.

3209
03:21:16,390 --> 03:21:27,700
I just want to hear from Wayne and Joanne that this is an accurate representation of what we,

3210
03:21:28,690 --> 03:21:33,710
the 10 or 12 additional conditions that we put into the Declaration of Views at our last meeting,

3211
03:21:34,510 --> 03:21:42,250
and that what Jamie has said is correct and accurate based on the proceedings that we completed at our last meeting.

3212
03:21:42,290 --> 03:21:43,010
Is that the case?

3213
03:21:43,510 --> 03:21:43,810
Yes.

3214
03:21:44,550 --> 03:21:47,230
Okay. I agree. We've spent a good amount of time.

3215
03:21:47,250 --> 03:21:48,050
So we got everything.

3216
03:21:48,650 --> 03:21:48,830
Correct.

3217
03:21:51,290 --> 03:21:55,130
I'm sorry. I tried to really explain the only things that we had an issue with,

3218
03:21:55,290 --> 03:21:57,950
which I still put in the agreement as you told us to.

3219
03:21:59,110 --> 03:22:02,490
So those would be the hours of operation and live music, but everything else.

3220
03:22:02,750 --> 03:22:04,070
Okay. We'll go discuss that.

3221
03:22:04,090 --> 03:22:04,450
Yes, sir.

3222
03:22:07,980 --> 03:22:08,180
Okay.

3223
03:22:09,200 --> 03:22:09,920
Bridget, Julie.

3224
03:22:11,320 --> 03:22:12,100
I just have two things.

3225
03:22:12,340 --> 03:22:13,720
If you want me to go for a second.

3226
03:22:14,280 --> 03:22:21,960
So let's talk about live music. I believe last time I said I think live unamplified music is fine

3227
03:22:21,960 --> 03:22:27,160
I think in some instances, it's actually very nice. So I'm not opposed to adding that back

3228
03:22:28,420 --> 03:22:29,960
including drums. Sorry, I should-

3229
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:34,860
We are asking you a question. I should say this, sir. Go ahead, Julie. You ask your questions.

3230
03:22:35,340 --> 03:22:35,800
You all back.

3231
03:22:39,380 --> 03:22:47,020
Say what I feel about music if you want. At the carriage house, we limited it. So, in interior, because the problem

3232
03:22:47,020 --> 03:22:54,820
is, and we also came up with the, when the doors are opening with the Venetta. The problem with live music is that our

3233
03:22:54,820 --> 03:23:01,040
noise ordinance doesn't necessarily mean someone else won't hear it. It's pretty high compared to

3234
03:23:01,040 --> 03:23:04,000
to what a neighbor might complain about.

3235
03:23:04,400 --> 03:23:07,160
So I think if you do just what we did at the Carriage House,

3236
03:23:07,240 --> 03:23:10,340
which was inside and look, we can make it greater later.

3237
03:23:11,040 --> 03:23:14,160
But I feel we should keep it consistent with that,

3238
03:23:14,240 --> 03:23:16,860
which is I believe three instruments.

3239
03:23:17,300 --> 03:23:18,860
What was it Wayne?

3240
03:23:19,060 --> 03:23:20,220
I think you're in a correct three.

3241
03:23:20,220 --> 03:23:22,460
I think three are Carriage House.

3242
03:23:22,980 --> 03:23:24,740
And that's what I think we should do here.

3243
03:23:25,040 --> 03:23:27,200
I mean, he's giving me a thumbs up.

3244
03:23:27,300 --> 03:23:27,880
Is that okay?

3245
03:23:28,280 --> 03:23:29,440
Okay, they're fine with that.

3246
03:23:30,220 --> 03:23:30,860
Thank you.

3247
03:23:30,860 --> 03:23:32,400
So I have a couple more.

3248
03:23:32,580 --> 03:23:36,840
Don't we need, because the Carriage House was operating it,

3249
03:23:36,920 --> 03:23:38,080
in order to have this agreement.

3250
03:23:38,420 --> 03:23:39,980
Don't we need the club operator,

3251
03:23:41,200 --> 03:23:43,020
because they're going to hire an operator,

3252
03:23:43,720 --> 03:23:45,720
because if these things are going to be operated

3253
03:23:45,720 --> 03:23:48,840
by LW Hospitality, and he'll have a manager that,

3254
03:23:49,100 --> 03:23:51,840
so think of Mario who runs the Carriage House,

3255
03:23:51,980 --> 03:23:53,660
or he's an employee of the Carriage House.

3256
03:23:53,760 --> 03:23:55,960
So there might be some sort of management agreement,

3257
03:23:56,140 --> 03:23:58,160
but the owner is LW.

3258
03:23:58,160 --> 03:24:02,800
And we have in here that if if that changes just maybe they have to come back to us.

3259
03:24:02,960 --> 03:24:10,540
I thought so we did like me as we did a club operator, dance floor we're going to talk

3260
03:24:10,540 --> 03:24:14,920
about after, you did the 545 correction,

3261
03:24:18,650 --> 03:24:21,910
so it says it is the intent of this agreement to

3262
03:24:21,910 --> 03:24:26,530
preserve the residential character of the eastern portions of Sunset Avenue and Sunrise Avenue,

3263
03:24:27,350 --> 03:24:32,610
etc., I think we should take out it is the intent and say one of the intents, because the

3264
03:24:32,610 --> 03:24:39,710
intent of this agreement is to provide, you know, the parking, the traffic, so I just

3265
03:24:39,710 --> 03:24:45,270
didn't like it is the intent of this agreement. If you could just put it is one of the

3266
03:24:47,340 --> 03:24:55,100
intents. Yeah, just add in one of the intents of this agreement. As long as we don't have to

3267
03:24:55,100 --> 03:25:01,000
come back to show that it says one of the intense I agree to that. Okay. Then under

3268
03:25:01,000 --> 03:25:11,440
for paragraph 13 is just because that's not the only intent. Then there is also a conflict

3269
03:25:11,440 --> 03:25:16,780
in the second part of this. This parking prohibition on Sunset and Sunrise Avenue shall

3270
03:25:16,780 --> 03:25:21,520
be enforced through the rule book of the club, which will not only state that prohibition,

3271
03:25:21,520 --> 03:25:23,040
but also include penalties.

3272
03:25:23,740 --> 03:25:26,720
And then below it says the club will issue periodic reminders

3273
03:25:26,720 --> 03:25:28,460
to come members of this policy

3274
03:25:28,460 --> 03:25:30,560
and may develop sanctions or penalties.

3275
03:25:31,140 --> 03:25:33,400
So I just think we have to decide which

3276
03:25:33,400 --> 03:25:34,780
is it going to be shall?

3277
03:25:35,000 --> 03:25:38,240
So you're going to have penalties or it's going to be may.

3278
03:25:40,540 --> 03:25:41,300
Do you see what I mean?

3279
03:25:41,460 --> 03:25:42,120
There's a conflict.

3280
03:25:42,320 --> 03:25:43,500
One is shall, one is may.

3281
03:25:44,080 --> 03:25:44,940
I see what you mean.

3282
03:25:45,620 --> 03:25:48,200
So the, well, there's two different things you're doing.

3283
03:25:48,380 --> 03:25:49,540
One is you're enforcing it.

3284
03:25:49,620 --> 03:25:50,740
The second is you're sanctioning.

3285
03:25:50,740 --> 03:25:53,920
so you shall enforce it, so how I don't want it.

3286
03:25:53,920 --> 03:25:56,600
But it says develop sanctions and or penalties.

3287
03:25:56,720 --> 03:25:59,020
It's the second part, because above you say,

3288
03:25:59,160 --> 03:26:03,300
it will have penalty show, and then below it says, you may.

3289
03:26:03,960 --> 03:26:05,980
So if you take the penalties out, fine.

3290
03:26:06,020 --> 03:26:08,400
But I'm just saying they are contradictory,

3291
03:26:08,900 --> 03:26:10,660
so whichever way we all decide.

3292
03:26:11,140 --> 03:26:11,880
Say it in politics.

3293
03:26:12,440 --> 03:26:16,780
So I think the intent of this is if there's a deadbeat member

3294
03:26:16,780 --> 03:26:18,420
who's breaking the rules all the time

3295
03:26:18,420 --> 03:26:19,980
that they should be sanctioned.

3296
03:26:19,980 --> 03:26:25,300
But if you make a mistake, so I kind of want to leave that up to the operator, you know,

3297
03:26:26,060 --> 03:26:29,140
and you guys are going to know if people are parking illegally and that's going to be a problem with it.

3298
03:26:29,140 --> 03:26:33,660
I'm just saying, all I'm saying to you is the first one that needs to say may.

3299
03:26:33,700 --> 03:26:37,660
Then let's say one says one says may and we all have to decide.

3300
03:26:37,780 --> 03:26:44,580
The second one should, maybe should read and may impose sanctions and or penalties against member.

3301
03:26:44,580 --> 03:26:52,680
The first one says how that they're going to be penalties the second one says should be, you know, I agree.

3302
03:26:52,680 --> 03:26:53,320
May impose.

3303
03:26:53,840 --> 03:26:54,300
I agree.

3304
03:26:54,300 --> 03:26:58,300
It's a valid penalties in the rule book and it's up to the club when to apply those penalties.

3305
03:26:58,300 --> 03:26:58,700
Correct.

3306
03:26:58,840 --> 03:26:59,600
That's right.

3307
03:26:59,900 --> 03:27:01,700
So it's May in the second one.

3308
03:27:02,060 --> 03:27:02,220
Yeah.

3309
03:27:02,420 --> 03:27:04,960
Or you could put May in the first one.

3310
03:27:05,260 --> 03:27:07,900
You want to say Shelby enforced through the rule book.

3311
03:27:08,300 --> 03:27:14,000
But then the second part, which may not only state the prohibition, but also

3312
03:27:14,000 --> 03:27:17,340
include penalties. That's how you fix it above.

3313
03:27:17,780 --> 03:27:20,940
I think may impose sanctions like Bridget said, fixes that truly.

3314
03:27:21,420 --> 03:27:22,680
Okay. May affect those sanctions.

3315
03:27:23,200 --> 03:27:26,180
Yeah. That way it leaves it at your discretion that you're going to penalize somebody

3316
03:27:26,180 --> 03:27:29,120
or not. There you go. I just didn't want you to have it.

3317
03:27:29,120 --> 03:27:30,160
No, that makes a conflict.

3318
03:27:30,860 --> 03:27:36,180
Last sentence of 14, any modifications to the valet plan shall require valet operation to remain

3319
03:27:36,180 --> 03:27:39,920
on the property and not on any public right of way.

3320
03:27:39,920 --> 03:27:47,240
And I'm wondering if we should say must come to the council or is that it's just going to be the same.

3321
03:27:47,500 --> 03:27:55,080
I suggest that like we do for in town, I think it shall anything that they move the valley should be approved by the PD.

3322
03:27:55,380 --> 03:27:55,760
Yeah.

3323
03:27:56,340 --> 03:27:57,020
That's what I was going to say.

3324
03:27:57,020 --> 03:27:58,320
Well that's already in that paragraph.

3325
03:27:58,820 --> 03:28:01,120
The whole intent of that paragraph, I see.

3326
03:28:01,360 --> 03:28:02,260
No, it's not.

3327
03:28:02,280 --> 03:28:05,620
It says modified by the police number of valley is maybe modified.

3328
03:28:05,620 --> 03:28:12,960
But that's because there is an annual valet permit application made by everybody with a valet operation in town

3329
03:28:12,960 --> 03:28:19,620
It goes to the police department for their review and approval and the chief actually issues a permit for that valet operation

3330
03:28:19,620 --> 03:28:21,660
And I believe it's only for a period of one year

3331
03:28:22,020 --> 03:28:24,600
Okay, but what if they make a change in the middle of the year?

3332
03:28:24,820 --> 03:28:26,780
Can we still go back to the police department automatically?

3333
03:28:26,820 --> 03:28:33,860
It does automatically, right even without that language in great. Okay, um, then the next one under 17

3334
03:28:36,140 --> 03:28:41,540
Is the exhibit in here at the total club dining seats, including Blah's, blah blah blah,

3335
03:28:41,540 --> 03:28:42,860
as shown in the seating plan?

3336
03:28:43,020 --> 03:28:46,580
It's just the seating plan, to me, that's been approved in the site plan.

3337
03:28:46,640 --> 03:28:47,500
Okay, that would be good.

3338
03:28:47,500 --> 03:28:48,840
I just didn't see it.

3339
03:28:49,560 --> 03:28:51,260
Do you want me to keep going into someone else?

3340
03:28:51,260 --> 03:28:51,760
I have something.

3341
03:28:52,580 --> 03:28:53,740
Okay, under 19.

3342
03:28:54,520 --> 03:28:56,920
I just thought we might put, we just discussed it.

3343
03:28:57,040 --> 03:29:02,260
We might put under excuse me, 18.

3344
03:29:02,260 --> 03:29:07,640
And unless we can work out something somewhere there, because what if public work says,

3345
03:29:08,060 --> 03:29:12,280
okay, you're going to deliver it, because I think we might be able to depend on a pawn,

3346
03:29:12,840 --> 03:29:14,240
and please don't get upset with me.

3347
03:29:14,240 --> 03:29:15,840
I'm just trying to figure out the right way.

3348
03:29:16,360 --> 03:29:24,200
If they allow deliveries at 9A, excuse me, between 6 and 730 on North County, 6AM and 730,

3349
03:29:24,840 --> 03:29:26,200
then we might be able to use that.

3350
03:29:26,200 --> 03:29:34,980
So I just wondered if if we can do something about, you know, if in the future they permit

3351
03:29:34,980 --> 03:29:36,920
North County, we will do deliveries.

3352
03:29:37,300 --> 03:29:42,860
Something like that, because public works may decide that it's okay for you to do deliveries

3353
03:29:42,860 --> 03:29:47,500
on North County, which obviously would be far better for all the residents.

3354
03:29:48,060 --> 03:29:51,140
What can we just talk about that after six months and see how it's happening?

3355
03:29:51,140 --> 03:29:51,680
Absolutely.

3356
03:29:52,720 --> 03:29:53,940
We want that to happen.

3357
03:29:53,940 --> 03:29:59,980
I asked a question and I was told no so I'm asking if you want me if you want me if you want me to but I don't think they're gonna say yes

3358
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:11,580
Now, I agree, but just in case, under number 22, the club still issued periodic members. I think you mean reminders to club members.

3359
03:30:13,600 --> 03:30:29,920
Then under 23, the club should return to the council after six months of operation. I want to make sure because we did not have to talk about this, not after a soft opening, but after a full season of full memberships.

3360
03:30:30,000 --> 03:30:34,920
something like that because it can't just be a soft opening and I believe it should be

3361
03:30:34,920 --> 03:30:39,880
and we discussed for two years that you come to us not just that's in there, Julie.

3362
03:30:40,560 --> 03:30:40,860
Where?

3363
03:30:41,260 --> 03:30:51,220
I'll period of two, it says seasons I said years but okay, I did the soft opening, then we did

3364
03:30:53,380 --> 03:30:55,840
1130, what the part is open.

3365
03:30:56,300 --> 03:30:58,800
The maximum seating of Cafe Restaurant

3366
03:30:58,800 --> 03:31:02,020
shown on the approved plan shall not exceed 60 seats,

3367
03:31:02,400 --> 03:31:06,060
which maximum of 20 may be located out door.

3368
03:31:07,340 --> 03:31:08,180
Oh, I'm so sorry.

3369
03:31:08,240 --> 03:31:09,860
I'm on number one.

3370
03:31:09,860 --> 03:31:14,040
One under Cafe Restaurant use, which is 114.

3371
03:31:15,160 --> 03:31:15,840
114.

3372
03:31:17,840 --> 03:31:20,180
It says the maximum seating of the Cafe Restaurant

3373
03:31:20,180 --> 03:31:27,020
on a approved plan, shall not exceed 60 seats, of which maximum of 20 may be located outdoors.

3374
03:31:27,800 --> 03:31:33,640
I put one club as open. I'm not quite sure what I'm not by that. But is that-

3375
03:31:33,640 --> 03:31:36,440
No, the club's up and during the day on Saturday and Sunday.

3376
03:31:38,320 --> 03:31:40,460
The max is never going to exceed 60.

3377
03:31:41,120 --> 03:31:44,260
Okay. And the, our, no, I know what I'm talking about.

3378
03:31:44,260 --> 03:31:44,620
I know what I'm talking about.

3379
03:31:44,740 --> 03:31:45,020
I know what I'm talking about.

3380
03:31:45,660 --> 03:31:45,920
I know what I'm talking about.

3381
03:31:45,920 --> 03:31:51,500
out doors. 20 right. 20 right. Those 60s can be outside. Okay. And this includes bar seats if you have a bar

3382
03:31:51,500 --> 03:31:58,100
correct. Yes. Okay. Because I didn't. Well, see it in here. Julie, let me go back to 20. Oh, God. Oh, go back to

3383
03:31:58,100 --> 03:32:05,820
one. 23. Yeah. Yeah. And the club shall return. Concerned if you changed that language to the club

3384
03:32:05,820 --> 03:32:13,720
shall return after one full season. That that to mean if they open in February March April. That's not

3385
03:32:15,100 --> 03:32:20,040
No, but don't you want them to come back sooner the first time I see what you're saying

3386
03:32:20,040 --> 03:32:26,400
Well, then it would be three full seasons because it says I think it should just be six months after we opened

3387
03:32:26,400 --> 03:32:32,120
Yeah, and why would you wait were you okay with the first time then you could say come back in another six months

3388
03:32:32,120 --> 03:32:39,060
Right, but I would like to say also two full seasons of operates. That's in the next one. That's what it says

3389
03:32:39,060 --> 03:32:43,700
That's in the part about us coming back in as second sentence right but not including a

3390
03:32:43,700 --> 03:32:48,200
I just want to use the operation following the date of club opening.

3391
03:32:48,760 --> 03:32:51,320
But we want to put not a soft open. In other words,

3392
03:32:51,460 --> 03:32:53,000
Carriage House did a soft open.

3393
03:32:53,460 --> 03:32:55,360
That would be what the opening is.

3394
03:32:55,440 --> 03:32:57,220
Okay, if you just want to be sure that's in there.

3395
03:32:57,920 --> 03:32:59,220
Then that was all you had to join.

3396
03:32:59,820 --> 03:33:00,480
On that.

3397
03:33:00,860 --> 03:33:02,860
I'm almost done.

3398
03:33:06,340 --> 03:33:06,640
Under.

3399
03:33:08,620 --> 03:33:10,560
Why if club gets deliveries on.

3400
03:33:11,000 --> 03:33:12,320
Okay, we already did that.

3401
03:33:12,960 --> 03:33:15,840
Under one under remedies for violation.

3402
03:33:16,380 --> 03:33:22,980
I just want you to know that time frame needs a, it's just a scrubinar, it needs a space in between it.

3403
03:33:24,460 --> 03:33:31,720
And then I wondered what the meaning of and do we have to have it in the third to the fifth to the last sentence.

3404
03:33:33,180 --> 03:33:38,200
The code enforcement board may leave levy fines, successors and assigns further agree.

3405
03:33:38,200 --> 03:33:42,700
So, signs of up to 5,000 per day for each violation took corrected.

3406
03:33:43,200 --> 03:33:48,340
If the code enforcement board finds the violation to be irreparable or irreversible in nature.

3407
03:33:48,920 --> 03:33:54,060
Do we define what irreparable is somewhere because that needs to be, is that an example?

3408
03:33:54,060 --> 03:33:56,720
We can't define it ourselves, it's in the Florida statute.

3409
03:33:57,040 --> 03:33:58,460
Okay, just wanted to be sure.

3410
03:33:59,260 --> 03:34:06,440
And then we talked about run with the land, so we've already figured that out, word says

3411
03:34:06,440 --> 03:34:08,120
This agreement shall run with the land.

3412
03:34:10,700 --> 03:34:11,880
We already figured that out.

3413
03:34:11,960 --> 03:34:15,720
We're going to change something I can't remember what it was.

3414
03:34:16,660 --> 03:34:18,240
Approval of a special exception.

3415
03:34:19,260 --> 03:34:21,760
I think you're going to try to clarify a little, correct?

3416
03:34:21,840 --> 03:34:25,760
So I think we tried to clarify it verbally, which is

3417
03:34:25,760 --> 03:34:28,160
Lew and Sussan that we have a deed restriction.

3418
03:34:28,240 --> 03:34:28,440
Right.

3419
03:34:28,440 --> 03:34:29,540
The protection of the neighborhood.

3420
03:34:30,360 --> 03:34:33,020
So that means that a future purchaser of this property

3421
03:34:33,020 --> 03:34:36,000
would have noticed in title that these restrictions exist.

3422
03:34:36,000 --> 03:34:46,220
Before they could start operating any special exception use, they would have to come for you for an assignment of this agreement and approval of a special exception at which time you could impose whatever conditions you want.

3423
03:34:46,400 --> 03:34:48,360
Okay, so we can change the feeding and things.

3424
03:34:48,580 --> 03:34:48,880
Yes.

3425
03:34:49,420 --> 03:34:52,380
I think it's better for you to have that in there than it is for us.

3426
03:34:52,620 --> 03:35:00,000
But we could change the seating. I just want to make sure how many people can enter a special exception. Yes, that's a new application.

3427
03:35:00,600 --> 03:35:05,980
Okay, and that is it. I'm sorry I know it was a lot, but I really feel those things needed to be dealt with.

3428
03:35:06,660 --> 03:35:10,600
as far as the dance floor goes, and so we're going to discuss that next.

3429
03:35:11,440 --> 03:35:12,800
Would you leave some of us have questions?

3430
03:35:13,160 --> 03:35:15,240
Okay. Oh, can we go to other people?

3431
03:35:15,660 --> 03:35:16,820
We can come back to you.

3432
03:35:16,880 --> 03:35:18,100
If you're finished.

3433
03:35:18,780 --> 03:35:20,540
Okay. Bridget, do you have some eye?

3434
03:35:20,540 --> 03:35:23,540
I just wanted clarification, and I didn't want to interrupt.

3435
03:35:24,180 --> 03:35:29,400
So after 23, we're about, sorry, paragraph 23, page 7.

3436
03:35:29,700 --> 03:35:32,580
So the, I don't know, it's page 7.

3437
03:35:35,740 --> 03:35:41,320
get an iPad. All right. So we're basically leaving it the same as that correct.

3438
03:35:42,340 --> 03:35:47,760
I think you should keep it six months after we open. Six months after we did the

3439
03:35:47,760 --> 03:35:52,640
hello how are you? And then it's two full days and then after two seasons, two full

3440
03:35:52,640 --> 03:35:59,820
seasons, you're entitled to come back with a request for a change. Okay. Thank you. It was just

3441
03:36:00,900 --> 03:36:04,320
That they go ahead, join, I'm sorry.

3442
03:36:05,280 --> 03:36:11,880
I was asking that they come back to us in case we need to make changes or anything for two seasons.

3443
03:36:12,060 --> 03:36:14,000
Not just that they can come back to us.

3444
03:36:14,020 --> 03:36:21,760
Doesn't this say that no, it says it's prohibited from seeking revisions.

3445
03:36:22,280 --> 03:36:25,160
But I don't want them just to come here after six months.

3446
03:36:25,160 --> 03:36:29,620
I want them to come after two full seasons, come each time.

3447
03:36:30,420 --> 03:36:32,780
So we can see, make sure everything's okay.

3448
03:36:33,300 --> 03:36:36,280
So after six months, they'll come to us and talk.

3449
03:36:36,740 --> 03:36:39,340
Then the next year after full seasons, that's why I was saying...

3450
03:36:39,340 --> 03:36:42,380
Well, they kind of cover it because we say town console

3451
03:36:42,380 --> 03:36:47,340
after six months of operation during the period from November 1 to April 30th.

3452
03:36:47,340 --> 03:36:48,400
So that's one full season.

3453
03:36:48,400 --> 03:36:50,400
Right, but I want to do two seasons.

3454
03:36:50,780 --> 03:36:51,500
That was my point.

3455
03:36:52,340 --> 03:36:54,380
So they come back, but it's two different things.

3456
03:36:54,380 --> 03:36:56,480
Once they're coming back, and we're going to have all of you.

3457
03:36:56,480 --> 03:36:57,540
She wants to have a tie.

3458
03:36:57,560 --> 03:36:59,620
I want us to evaluate them twice.

3459
03:36:59,920 --> 03:37:01,180
Well, can you can ask them?

3460
03:37:01,280 --> 03:37:02,340
They'll come back in six months.

3461
03:37:02,920 --> 03:37:03,300
Yes, we can.

3462
03:37:03,460 --> 03:37:05,580
And you can ask them to come back again in six months.

3463
03:37:05,680 --> 03:37:06,840
Can we do that, Joanna?

3464
03:37:06,940 --> 03:37:09,180
If it doesn't say that in the declaration of you.

3465
03:37:09,180 --> 03:37:09,700
Oh, yeah.

3466
03:37:09,700 --> 03:37:10,500
The next council.

3467
03:37:10,940 --> 03:37:11,500
The next council.

3468
03:37:11,660 --> 03:37:15,520
In the declaration of you.

3469
03:37:15,720 --> 03:37:16,500
We don't say it.

3470
03:37:16,540 --> 03:37:17,560
Usually we say it.

3471
03:37:17,800 --> 03:37:19,440
So I'm just asking, Joanna.

3472
03:37:19,920 --> 03:37:20,320
Yeah, I mean it.

3473
03:37:20,320 --> 03:37:23,420
Why don't we come back six months after and 18 months after?

3474
03:37:23,420 --> 03:37:28,600
Okay, that's that's two full seasons well, I don't think that's weird

3475
03:37:30,300 --> 03:37:38,980
Right, you're exactly right, because we're the way that it's landing is you'll come back after two seasons, only one time.

3476
03:37:39,300 --> 03:37:41,720
I think what Julie would like to happen is you come back to us.

3477
03:37:42,440 --> 03:37:46,520
And then you come back again after the following season hasn't passed.

3478
03:37:46,540 --> 03:37:47,700
Yeah, that's what I'm asking.

3479
03:37:47,960 --> 03:37:50,500
So we're asking you to come back twice, not once.

3480
03:37:50,740 --> 03:37:55,740
But then if you want to change, you have to wait till two, two full seasons.

3481
03:37:55,960 --> 03:37:58,940
So maybe at that second review, you could also request a change.

3482
03:38:00,540 --> 03:38:02,720
Is that making sense to you, Jamie, do you understand?

3483
03:38:03,720 --> 03:38:05,700
I'm happy to come back whenever you guys want me to.

3484
03:38:05,960 --> 03:38:11,760
So if it's six months and then what I'm saying is that you should make it a year after that six month review,

3485
03:38:11,940 --> 03:38:13,900
there should be another one, which would be 18 months.

3486
03:38:14,100 --> 03:38:14,500
Perfect.

3487
03:38:14,680 --> 03:38:17,100
Just say, we'll come back six months, we'll come back 18 months.

3488
03:38:17,500 --> 03:38:20,180
I still would like to see in there, though, after full up,

3489
03:38:20,300 --> 03:38:22,620
because we'll get full opening in there.

3490
03:38:22,740 --> 03:38:23,340
Okay, please.

3491
03:38:23,500 --> 03:38:24,580
I don't want soft opening.

3492
03:38:25,020 --> 03:38:26,860
No, that was great, Bridget.

3493
03:38:26,920 --> 03:38:27,540
Good question.

3494
03:38:28,500 --> 03:38:28,700
Okay.

3495
03:38:28,700 --> 03:38:35,300
Okay, I'm just going to go through a couple things for clarity and that I always get a little bit concerned about.

3496
03:38:35,620 --> 03:38:44,580
I think last month I talked about the fact that other clubs in town don't serve really late.

3497
03:38:44,980 --> 03:38:47,400
And we agreed on a closing time of 11.

3498
03:38:48,100 --> 03:38:52,020
And so one of the questions that I have is under number 5.

3499
03:38:52,020 --> 03:39:00,700
it says, you know, all, you know, we know, no dinner reservations made earlier than 6 p.m.

3500
03:39:00,700 --> 03:39:04,160
and shouldn't we have later than 9 p.m. or something?

3501
03:39:05,200 --> 03:39:07,500
This would be page 110, if you're back up.

3502
03:39:07,500 --> 03:39:09,740
Oh, what number does that then?

3503
03:39:10,020 --> 03:39:10,300
Thank you.

3504
03:39:11,000 --> 03:39:11,360
Seven.

3505
03:39:11,800 --> 03:39:12,080
Yes.

3506
03:39:12,720 --> 03:39:12,740
Seven.

3507
03:39:13,100 --> 03:39:17,140
And the only reason I bring that up is because you don't want to have somebody be sitting there,

3508
03:39:17,420 --> 03:39:21,900
you know, going way into 11, 30, 12, and they go, oh, well, they just sat down and

3509
03:39:21,900 --> 03:39:29,000
11 or at 5 to 11 and none of the other clubs allow that and you're telling us so we have to

3510
03:39:29,000 --> 03:39:34,620
close it 11 Bobby I know but but I don't want to have people who I don't think not I don't think

3511
03:39:34,620 --> 03:39:38,460
you're going to throw them out even if they haven't had their dinner nine o'clock seems totally

3512
03:39:38,460 --> 03:39:42,140
unreasonable to say something okay well that's what most the other clubs in town are

3513
03:39:42,140 --> 03:39:47,100
Everglades I think can manage that to win there's not I mean if there's not enough people coming in

3514
03:39:47,100 --> 03:39:51,540
they're going to close the kitchen because it's not financially viable to keep it open so I mean that's

3515
03:39:51,540 --> 03:39:52,400
business decision.

3516
03:39:52,900 --> 03:39:53,840
Everybody out of the left.

3517
03:39:53,980 --> 03:39:55,020
Everyone has to be out of the left.

3518
03:39:55,900 --> 03:39:57,380
So I'll leave that alone.

3519
03:39:57,640 --> 03:40:03,640
But I just have some heartburn about that because the others actually have hard, hard

3520
03:40:03,640 --> 03:40:04,200
last time.

3521
03:40:04,860 --> 03:40:06,200
I have the most of the reservations.

3522
03:40:06,560 --> 03:40:09,880
You can't sit down at the Silver Club after nine unless it's like the other.

3523
03:40:09,880 --> 03:40:10,680
But Bobbi adds that.

3524
03:40:10,680 --> 03:40:11,480
That says you have to exit.

3525
03:40:11,480 --> 03:40:15,560
I mean, I admit that those are those are rules that the clubs have set up on their

3526
03:40:15,560 --> 03:40:17,920
own to comply with requirements, right?

3527
03:40:17,920 --> 03:40:19,780
Like this one that it has to be.

3528
03:40:20,180 --> 03:40:26,740
Alright, close. Okay, we'll try it and we've got to play P.V. Let's see.

3529
03:40:32,470 --> 03:40:38,770
Okay, I think we talked about it. Well, where am I on the music? I think they've got to start out with no amplified music.

3530
03:40:39,350 --> 03:40:44,570
I mean, I could serend about 11 o'clock. You know, there's people who are sleeping right behind them.

3531
03:40:45,290 --> 03:40:46,750
You know, so amplified music.

3532
03:40:46,750 --> 03:40:49,330
All ready, Bob, or three. They already agreed to do that.

3533
03:40:49,330 --> 03:40:51,390
Right, so we're okay with that.

3534
03:40:51,390 --> 03:41:07,470
I'm okay with that yeah and just three pieces. Obviously if it's settled okay and

3535
03:41:10,280 --> 03:41:13,960
We went through most of these drill and so.

3536
03:41:26,140 --> 03:41:29,540
So it says that a maximum seeded cafe,

3537
03:41:30,180 --> 03:41:33,280
no let's say cafe hours seven to four,

3538
03:41:33,580 --> 03:41:35,780
and it says no part is acknowledged.

3539
03:41:36,160 --> 03:41:39,700
The seats cannot be converted to dining seats in the club

3540
03:41:39,700 --> 03:41:43,940
or lounge bar seats in or outdoors.

3541
03:41:44,380 --> 03:41:47,800
I mean I just worry about that wasn't specified.

3542
03:41:48,700 --> 03:41:55,080
This is on page 114, and we don't want to have those outdoor cafe seats, they're sitting there,

3543
03:41:55,420 --> 03:42:01,540
somebody's now taking their drinks and sitting outside, and they're all having, you know, a grand old time.

3544
03:42:03,060 --> 03:42:10,040
It's no, it just says, this is on page 114 at the top, the cafe hours, we'll be limited to 74,

3545
03:42:10,760 --> 03:42:13,980
and then parties acknowledge that they approved seats for the cafe,

3546
03:42:13,980 --> 03:42:20,620
to not be converted to dining seats, and I want to say four to lounge seats in the courtyard

3547
03:42:20,620 --> 03:42:21,780
or bar.

3548
03:42:23,060 --> 03:42:24,640
But can you tell us what paragraph you're?

3549
03:42:24,680 --> 03:42:29,200
That is paragraph three on page 114.

3550
03:42:29,500 --> 03:42:31,800
Under the cafe.

3551
03:42:32,020 --> 03:42:32,640
Under the cafe.

3552
03:42:33,580 --> 03:42:33,820
Yeah.

3553
03:42:35,300 --> 03:42:35,400
Right.

3554
03:42:36,220 --> 03:42:41,320
Well, the intent of that is not to increase the seating capacity for the club.

3555
03:42:42,520 --> 03:42:47,340
If I'm tired, and I want to sit down in the courtyard, that's what that's for.

3556
03:42:47,440 --> 03:42:48,340
As long as you're not a worker.

3557
03:42:48,340 --> 03:42:50,620
My grandmother is there to sit down.

3558
03:42:51,220 --> 03:42:53,500
No, that's the intent, as you can't do it.

3559
03:42:53,720 --> 03:43:02,620
Dining seats, I think the intent of that restriction was you can't use that to increase the capacity for the club to have operations.

3560
03:43:02,820 --> 03:43:03,540
That's what that is.

3561
03:43:04,060 --> 03:43:08,200
So, oh, I'm saying is the club lounge or bar or restaurant.

3562
03:43:08,620 --> 03:43:09,940
You're not increasing it for.

3563
03:43:09,940 --> 03:43:14,480
I mean, we just don't want people, I think they'll probably see somebody's tired and they're waiting for their

3564
03:43:15,840 --> 03:43:21,140
Rampunk's husband inside, they could sit out there by the way. I'm not talking. Hold on

3565
03:43:22,240 --> 03:43:29,440
Yeah, we're sitting in a chair, but I just want to turn into a bar out there. Bobby. I'm just a courtyard. So it says that the proof seats for the cafe

3566
03:43:29,440 --> 03:43:36,740
She'll not be converted to dining seats in the club. So I mean, do you want to just take out dining or just take to seat?

3567
03:43:36,740 --> 03:43:43,220
Is it your concern that that might mean or bar seats or, you know, or lounge seats out?

3568
03:43:43,460 --> 03:43:49,360
I'm really concerned, where the noise is going to travel if they're out in that courtyard in the evening.

3569
03:43:49,920 --> 03:43:51,620
You know, that's great.

3570
03:43:52,440 --> 03:43:54,740
But to, but to still travel.

3571
03:43:54,820 --> 03:43:55,520
Jamie's point.

3572
03:43:55,680 --> 03:44:00,740
I mean, someone who is at the cafe could sit there.

3573
03:44:00,740 --> 03:44:06,860
You know what I mean? Like that's not going to prohibit people from sitting if there's outside seats.

3574
03:44:07,620 --> 03:44:10,180
It's just impossible to regulate the way you're trying to say it.

3575
03:44:10,500 --> 03:44:15,400
So what we're saying is it can't be converted to increase the capacity of the club, which is everyone's concern.

3576
03:44:16,080 --> 03:44:19,360
Okay, and that includes the lounge and that includes the lounge.

3577
03:44:19,440 --> 03:44:19,480
That includes the lounge.

3578
03:44:19,620 --> 03:44:20,160
That's fine.

3579
03:44:20,420 --> 03:44:20,960
Or the bar.

3580
03:44:21,180 --> 03:44:21,660
Because

3581
03:44:25,120 --> 03:44:28,080
otherwise that becomes an additional place.

3582
03:44:28,440 --> 03:44:30,880
Do you know what I mean? The cafe seats need to go in.

3583
03:44:32,220 --> 03:44:36,720
Well then, then you go and have somebody who can sit out there and they want to get away from the noise.

3584
03:44:36,720 --> 03:44:39,620
There are stone ventures out there, you're going to bring them in.

3585
03:44:40,240 --> 03:44:44,500
They can sit there, I'm just saying, you don't want it to become like everybody.

3586
03:44:44,680 --> 03:44:46,180
You know, a bunch of people want it.

3587
03:44:46,180 --> 03:44:49,600
Look, if this is a problem, we will visit them when they come back.

3588
03:44:49,980 --> 03:44:51,960
But you understand what I'm concerned about.

3589
03:44:52,600 --> 03:44:53,800
We just take out the word dining.

3590
03:44:53,900 --> 03:44:56,860
People going out there and they've got three drinks, three people.

3591
03:44:56,980 --> 03:44:59,500
They're sitting out there and then it becomes the lounge outside.

3592
03:45:00,110 --> 03:45:06,510
If it's causing a problem, it's not meant for, it's not meant to be that.

3593
03:45:07,390 --> 03:45:09,090
Yep. Right.

3594
03:45:17,790 --> 03:45:18,550
Okay. Yep.

3595
03:45:20,170 --> 03:45:24,050
Who's next on the board? Nobody's on the board.

3596
03:45:24,710 --> 03:45:27,710
That I see, is anybody else want to have any things they want to tweak?

3597
03:45:28,430 --> 03:45:31,670
Any public comment? Then I'm going to go to public if nobody else does up here.

3598
03:45:32,450 --> 03:45:35,750
Okay. Anybody from the public like to talk about some of them.

3599
03:45:37,210 --> 03:45:42,610
Yes, I've already said this, the only thing you can talk about are changes to the declaration

3600
03:45:42,610 --> 03:45:44,970
of use or comments on the declaration of use.

3601
03:45:45,350 --> 03:45:47,410
We've already visited everything else at NOS.

3602
03:45:48,990 --> 03:45:49,570
You

3603
03:45:53,570 --> 03:45:54,150
ready?

3604
03:45:54,510 --> 03:45:55,110
Yes, you're ready.

3605
03:45:55,170 --> 03:45:55,450
Hi.

3606
03:45:55,610 --> 03:45:58,930
I'm Rob Spat from 150 North Ocean Boulevard.

3607
03:45:58,950 --> 03:46:00,010
I've spoken before.

3608
03:46:00,210 --> 03:46:08,070
And one of the topics I have a spoken about at each meeting is the exit protection onto sunrise.

3609
03:46:08,690 --> 03:46:15,010
And Jamie, I'll direct this in part to you, I've been away for a few weeks, I haven't been able to read the last draft.

3610
03:46:15,130 --> 03:46:23,290
I was told that the language about protecting sunrise and putting it in a gate and putting in bells and putting in lights.

3611
03:46:23,550 --> 03:46:29,030
And that's something that most of you all had agreed that you were expressed to view that you wanted this to be in.

3612
03:46:29,210 --> 03:46:30,490
Isn't in here.

3613
03:46:32,730 --> 03:46:36,070
And so Jamie, and I can't read this from back there, my eyes aren't good enough.

3614
03:46:36,070 --> 03:46:39,290
So I just can't tell whether it's here or not.

3615
03:46:40,150 --> 03:46:43,630
So Jamie, is it in here if so could you read it?

3616
03:46:43,730 --> 03:46:45,510
And Joanne, Joanne, do you know if it's in there?

3617
03:46:45,950 --> 03:46:46,410
Or Joanne.

3618
03:46:47,230 --> 03:46:50,870
And because what I was told is it didn't get in.

3619
03:46:54,470 --> 03:46:56,930
OK, so to the point, to that on the record,

3620
03:46:56,930 --> 03:46:58,070
I agree to put that in.

3621
03:46:58,250 --> 03:47:00,850
It's a sidearm gate that stops people from flying out.

3622
03:47:01,630 --> 03:47:03,610
With, with, with, I don't want any, no, no, noises.

3623
03:47:03,910 --> 03:47:04,270
No, nothing.

3624
03:47:04,270 --> 03:47:12,050
But something that alerts the, as I, as I recall the conversation, since I'm the one, my

3625
03:47:12,050 --> 03:47:18,450
time's here, no, I did ask you to come up, but, and please stay. But as I understood

3626
03:47:18,450 --> 03:47:23,830
the conversation, there was to be a clearly a gate. There was to be something that would

3627
03:47:23,830 --> 03:47:29,070
alert the public that there was about to be a car going by, so some kind of whether it was

3628
03:47:29,070 --> 03:47:37,550
flashing light or noise, and certain circumstances there was even potentially to be a guard

3629
03:47:37,550 --> 03:47:40,030
there, perhaps during the New Year's party or something else.

3630
03:47:40,030 --> 03:47:41,210
This is a real issue.

3631
03:47:41,510 --> 03:47:46,090
It's an issue for older people, it's an issue for kids, it's an issue that all of you

3632
03:47:46,090 --> 03:47:50,630
seem to express concern about, and you agreed to put it in there, and it kind of annoyed the

3633
03:47:50,630 --> 03:47:55,870
hell out of me that here we are on the final draft, and it's not there, and I shouldn't

3634
03:47:55,870 --> 03:47:57,610
have to be checking to see if it's there.

3635
03:47:57,990 --> 03:47:58,430
Thanks very much.

3636
03:47:58,430 --> 03:48:00,170
Thank you.

3637
03:48:00,190 --> 03:48:00,670
I agree.

3638
03:48:01,470 --> 03:48:02,210
Let's have Jamie.

3639
03:48:02,530 --> 03:48:04,310
Mr. Scott.

3640
03:48:04,550 --> 03:48:05,030
I apologize.

3641
03:48:05,610 --> 03:48:06,990
I intended to put that in.

3642
03:48:07,730 --> 03:48:09,770
I have agreed that we will do that.

3643
03:48:09,790 --> 03:48:14,330
And what we intend to do is a sidearm gate that we've done on other properties.

3644
03:48:14,610 --> 03:48:18,430
I would just say maybe you put a condition that we coordinate with public works on how that happens

3645
03:48:18,430 --> 03:48:21,190
because they have restrictions on how these things work.

3646
03:48:21,190 --> 03:48:29,350
Arnton is to put a gate before the sidewalks so people have to stop before they go out and if, you know, I would

3647
03:48:31,130 --> 03:48:31,890
Would that

3648
03:48:33,610 --> 03:48:34,650
But that's

3649
03:48:34,650 --> 03:48:41,190
Public works has all sorts of rules on that so all I can do is say that we'll coordinate with them

3650
03:48:44,990 --> 03:48:45,470
Yes

3651
03:48:46,830 --> 03:48:55,610
There will be, and there will be, there will be, and there will be, and there will be language also in the document that demands that there's a gate with a light and a proper.

3652
03:48:56,330 --> 03:48:59,850
So you can, you can, you can, you can work that out.

3653
03:49:00,190 --> 03:49:03,610
It's with, it's what public works will allow. The engineers,

3654
03:49:08,440 --> 03:49:09,860
these things are typically lit.

3655
03:49:09,860 --> 03:49:17,450
I agree, something like that, because we'd like to have the language of the light in there.

3656
03:49:17,870 --> 03:49:22,030
So public works can say, okay, council wants the light.

3657
03:49:23,230 --> 03:49:25,710
I think a lot of these gates have lights when they go up.

3658
03:49:25,830 --> 03:49:29,110
I would say, if you don't mind, I'd still really appreciate having it in there.

3659
03:49:30,430 --> 03:49:32,250
I think Joanne knows what to do.

3660
03:49:32,290 --> 03:49:33,030
I didn't mean to.

3661
03:49:33,030 --> 03:49:34,570
You can do Jamie and public works.

3662
03:49:35,490 --> 03:49:36,170
Thank you, Jamie.

3663
03:49:38,410 --> 03:49:38,550
Okay.

3664
03:49:40,170 --> 03:49:41,510
Any more public comment?

3665
03:49:41,950 --> 03:49:42,230
Yes, sir.

3666
03:49:42,970 --> 03:49:42,990
Great.

3667
03:49:43,170 --> 03:49:43,530
The Director,

3668
03:49:46,770 --> 03:49:46,790
John.

3669
03:49:46,910 --> 03:49:50,090
You being 605, North Island Avenue, representing the kind of any

3670
03:49:50,090 --> 03:49:50,790
Machinations.

3671
03:49:51,910 --> 03:49:54,330
Look through this and you got two letters from you as you know.

3672
03:49:54,590 --> 03:49:56,530
Number one is really about noise issues.

3673
03:49:57,250 --> 03:50:01,590
And we're not going off the subject, I think, as far as we're not saying we're going to open up something

3674
03:50:01,590 --> 03:50:04,290
that we're talking about from the original approval.

3675
03:50:04,450 --> 03:50:09,030
But instead of showing that what you did in the past was once you had everything done,

3676
03:50:09,030 --> 03:50:13,630
you made people put into their declaration of use in a cafe to tomorrow.

3677
03:50:13,790 --> 03:50:17,010
You made them attach it to them to do a noise study.

3678
03:50:17,450 --> 03:50:18,050
What's going to happen?

3679
03:50:18,050 --> 03:50:19,850
We all keep talking about what's going to happen,

3680
03:50:19,950 --> 03:50:21,590
how loud is it going to be next door to the neighbor?

3681
03:50:22,270 --> 03:50:23,210
What are we going to do in those things?

3682
03:50:23,510 --> 03:50:25,670
In those two, and also in the carriage house,

3683
03:50:26,010 --> 03:50:29,330
you actually had some body after go do an actual study.

3684
03:50:29,450 --> 03:50:32,010
So you had kind of a baseline of where you were,

3685
03:50:32,310 --> 03:50:34,270
what the experts think you should be at.

3686
03:50:34,590 --> 03:50:35,890
And then if you go over that,

3687
03:50:35,890 --> 03:50:42,150
And then at least, you can know what your expert thing should be, et cetera, and also then

3688
03:50:42,150 --> 03:50:46,810
you get out of that issue of, hey, everybody's got to be a code enforcement, and everybody's

3689
03:50:46,810 --> 03:50:48,730
got to call code enforcement all the time.

3690
03:50:48,970 --> 03:50:53,370
But if nothing else they had some of the issues that were good to know, and then we'd probably

3691
03:50:53,370 --> 03:51:00,630
be excellent here too, look, volume controls by management, by that app, sound pre-recorded

3692
03:51:00,630 --> 03:51:05,610
or otherwise, wants to one permanent health system, so you don't get some days you get

3693
03:51:05,610 --> 03:51:09,990
Some days you get small speakers, you have the same set all the time.

3694
03:51:10,550 --> 03:51:13,510
Audio signals can be processed to these digital signals,

3695
03:51:14,770 --> 03:51:18,850
which means it will automatically tone down the noise if it gets too high.

3696
03:51:19,030 --> 03:51:21,870
So you never get to those arguments.

3697
03:51:22,670 --> 03:51:25,470
Permanent audio systems should be used not,

3698
03:51:25,470 --> 03:51:27,690
you know, speakers who come in if you're using live.

3699
03:51:27,970 --> 03:51:28,950
You should use your stuff.

3700
03:51:29,530 --> 03:51:31,470
All of these things were very interesting in the last month

3701
03:51:31,470 --> 03:51:34,470
they think we had, you know, the lady who came in from the

3702
03:51:34,470 --> 03:51:38,750
why communities report, which said, well, you got to add in some of these other effects

3703
03:51:38,750 --> 03:51:44,890
from these sounds, whether it's on top, whether it's something else, et cetera.

3704
03:51:45,530 --> 03:51:48,770
All of these things, you know, they found that some of these noises are going to drive some

3705
03:51:48,770 --> 03:51:49,070
of your neighbors.

3706
03:51:49,450 --> 03:51:54,450
It would be nice to have that knowing that before the declaration of use is done, and that's

3707
03:51:54,450 --> 03:51:59,010
been kind of the way it's been done, and the past is look at it now, and then attach it

3708
03:51:59,010 --> 03:52:01,670
even to the declaration of use.

3709
03:52:02,230 --> 03:52:04,290
As far as the declaration of use, it sells.

3710
03:52:05,010 --> 03:52:07,430
There's a handful of things we had, some of which, obviously,

3711
03:52:07,670 --> 03:52:09,870
I think the Jamie's already hit, and some of which

3712
03:52:09,870 --> 03:52:11,570
I want to talk about real quickly.

3713
03:52:13,230 --> 03:52:16,230
I think we talked about paragraph 4 was interesting

3714
03:52:16,230 --> 03:52:19,170
because we talked about there shall be no dance floor

3715
03:52:19,170 --> 03:52:20,910
amplified in live music in the club.

3716
03:52:21,050 --> 03:52:21,410
Well, guess what?

3717
03:52:21,510 --> 03:52:23,730
I got a bunch of people who wrote me and said,

3718
03:52:24,230 --> 03:52:27,430
does that mean they can have amplified non-live music?

3719
03:52:28,050 --> 03:52:29,730
Does that mean you can have a DJ?

3720
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:45,760
For what? Anything? If you're just saying this is the only thing I'm restricting, that leaves open the open set of almost anything else that doesn't make that definition precisely. So if you want to say that there's no music in the courtyard, say there's no music in the courtyard, don't leave it open for another day.

3721
03:52:46,800 --> 03:52:51,540
paragraph 10 real quickly was, I mean it's a little bit of a change where you say that we

3722
03:52:51,540 --> 03:52:58,700
will make a valuable versus before it sounded like you had everybody had to use it or required

3723
03:52:58,700 --> 03:53:06,080
to use it, paragraph 13, I think it's just a typo, you have in paragraph 13 on the 1,

3724
03:53:06,180 --> 03:53:13,360
2, 3, 4, 5 sentence, you say, that the residential not to allow members and guests of the

3725
03:53:13,360 --> 03:53:19,640
park on Sunset and Sunrise, which you struck out Sunrise, but then the next sentence says,

3726
03:53:19,640 --> 03:53:24,500
these parking prohibitions on Sunset and Sunrise, so that shouldn't have been tricking

3727
03:53:24,500 --> 03:53:27,240
out as well. Let's see what else we're getting.

3728
03:53:28,660 --> 03:53:31,980
Yeah, the pick up, and let's see.

3729
03:53:36,760 --> 03:53:41,160
Oh, and paragraph 10, paragraph 10, it reduces the valet

3730
03:53:41,160 --> 03:53:47,340
from being required to shall be made available, which is a little bit different.

3731
03:53:47,340 --> 03:53:50,160
if you, everybody has to use it versus you can,

3732
03:53:50,380 --> 03:53:53,840
or you don't have to, from that standpoint.

3733
03:53:55,100 --> 03:53:57,020
Let's see, we've got-

3734
03:53:57,020 --> 03:53:58,340
Wait, do we change it?

3735
03:53:58,780 --> 03:54:00,080
So, here's a question.

3736
03:54:01,120 --> 03:54:01,680
I'm walking.

3737
03:54:01,940 --> 03:54:03,140
So, that's not like.

3738
03:54:03,400 --> 03:54:04,620
Why do I need to use a valley?

3739
03:54:05,480 --> 03:54:07,400
Well, I'm just saying that it's not like that.

3740
03:54:07,600 --> 03:54:09,620
So, the next one was-

3741
03:54:09,620 --> 03:54:11,340
Oh, what happens if I parked-

3742
03:54:11,340 --> 03:54:14,700
No, but I couldn't have parked down the street at public.

3743
03:54:16,060 --> 03:54:21,940
I mean, I could, there's, I'm just saying, there's open parking on the street and what

3744
03:54:21,940 --> 03:54:26,920
happens if I went, I don't know, if I went to Trevini for dinner, I'm parked at Trevini.

3745
03:54:26,920 --> 03:54:27,820
You can do that.

3746
03:54:28,240 --> 03:54:31,840
And then the club, no, I can't, because you told me I had to valet if I'm using the club.

3747
03:54:31,840 --> 03:54:35,820
If you're going to, well, if you're going to go there by car, then maybe you want to

3748
03:54:35,820 --> 03:54:38,340
say, but I'm, I don't see that, you're going to go walk around.

3749
03:54:38,440 --> 03:54:42,240
Well, I'm just saying, if we're nitpicking, do you agree with it?

3750
03:54:42,360 --> 03:54:43,240
No, I'm just saying.

3751
03:54:43,240 --> 03:54:45,800
I can't park at Trevini, I walked to the club, can I?

3752
03:54:46,320 --> 03:54:47,560
But it's within the radius.

3753
03:54:47,860 --> 03:54:49,440
Excuse me, if you walk to the clubs,

3754
03:54:49,600 --> 03:54:51,640
do you want to ballet to carry a minute and a minute?

3755
03:54:52,640 --> 03:54:57,480
I'm just saying, if we're going to nitpick our way through the club,

3756
03:54:57,720 --> 03:54:58,840
so we're trying to talk about it.

3757
03:54:58,920 --> 03:55:01,640
I'm adding to hopefully get a little of that extra time.

3758
03:55:01,700 --> 03:55:03,300
I'm using some, some leeway to it.

3759
03:55:03,480 --> 03:55:06,820
Yeah, so I think number 15, we looked at,

3760
03:55:06,880 --> 03:55:10,040
and number 15 was allowing for drop-off members.

3761
03:55:10,940 --> 03:55:12,420
You struck after six p.m.

3762
03:55:12,420 --> 03:55:15,940
So you're going to have what drop off people earlier in the day

3763
03:55:15,940 --> 03:55:17,740
during the middle of Russia, right?

3764
03:55:17,740 --> 03:55:18,040
I don't know.

3765
03:55:18,120 --> 03:55:20,520
That was a question that I got asked as well.

3766
03:55:21,920 --> 03:55:22,720
Let's see.

3767
03:55:23,000 --> 03:55:24,920
Do you need to say after six o'clock?

3768
03:55:25,180 --> 03:55:25,760
Is that what you're saying?

3769
03:55:25,760 --> 03:55:27,220
It used to say after six o'clock.

3770
03:55:27,360 --> 03:55:28,060
It was taken out.

3771
03:55:28,080 --> 03:55:29,540
No, why that was taken out?

3772
03:55:29,800 --> 03:55:30,380
Joe and

3773
03:55:34,030 --> 03:55:35,370
all of a sudden.

3774
03:55:35,510 --> 03:55:35,870
I don't know.

3775
03:55:35,930 --> 03:55:37,790
I think it's usually it was at six p.m.

3776
03:55:37,890 --> 03:55:38,690
or after six p.m.

3777
03:55:38,850 --> 03:55:40,610
Whatever it was, but it was stricken out.

3778
03:55:40,930 --> 03:55:44,030
And that's the questions that I get asked from some of our folks.

3779
03:55:45,850 --> 03:55:53,970
paragraph 19, we had issues with paragraph 19, which then gets repeated as well, and to the

3780
03:55:53,970 --> 03:56:00,030
clubs, I mean, from the club and also the cafe. Part of the first question was, and everybody

3781
03:56:00,030 --> 03:56:05,670
in our side also likes the fact, if we could get these deliveries on North County, we're all

3782
03:56:05,670 --> 03:56:12,210
in for it too, and votes it up, you know, well past our folks issues. So we would be in for that

3783
03:56:12,210 --> 03:56:18,770
Well, the concern became partially that I know we're trying to talk about, you know, you know,

3784
03:56:18,950 --> 03:56:24,530
vehicles that can make it through without backing up, but it's starting time was going to six o'clock in the morning.

3785
03:56:25,170 --> 03:56:31,030
And nine o'clock is pretty early for people who mostly are retired and don't really want to be woken up at six o'clock.

3786
03:56:31,090 --> 03:56:37,550
So we were talking about hours of operation on that being pushed back as well.

3787
03:56:38,110 --> 03:56:40,170
They're also, I think it talks about plural zones.

3788
03:56:40,330 --> 03:56:42,810
I think there's only one loading zone on the sunrise.

3789
03:56:43,450 --> 03:56:44,970
And again, that'd be a great argument to make

3790
03:56:44,970 --> 03:56:47,670
why we need to have something on North County as well.

3791
03:56:49,110 --> 03:56:50,990
The other thing is people are concerned about loading

3792
03:56:50,990 --> 03:56:54,650
and unloading made just west of Paramount's driveway

3793
03:56:54,650 --> 03:56:57,270
because you can't see a thing if you come out of that driveway.

3794
03:56:57,770 --> 03:57:01,110
There's a standing zone, and if that standing zone isn't,

3795
03:57:01,110 --> 03:57:04,410
enforced what we see right now, prime truck, prime truck,

3796
03:57:04,410 --> 03:57:08,370
Everybody goes runs in there, which leads to a different issue.

3797
03:57:08,590 --> 03:57:11,370
We still don't know if there's any restrictions on hours,

3798
03:57:11,570 --> 03:57:13,930
or where they can load or unload for the retail,

3799
03:57:14,470 --> 03:57:16,890
because retail seems to be using the stop standing area.

3800
03:57:17,570 --> 03:57:19,590
So those are some of those hours and everything

3801
03:57:19,590 --> 03:57:22,250
are also in Article 6, paragraph 5,

3802
03:57:22,410 --> 03:57:23,310
which is for the cafe.

3803
03:57:23,630 --> 03:57:24,750
It kind of repeats itself.

3804
03:57:25,510 --> 03:57:27,850
The church use got a little bit of questions from that

3805
03:57:27,850 --> 03:57:29,910
because the church is very clear now

3806
03:57:29,910 --> 03:57:31,770
can only be used for worship services,

3807
03:57:31,770 --> 03:57:36,990
But the next sentence, and that sentence says, the language says,

3808
03:57:37,190 --> 03:57:42,390
crosses out, and crosses out, church services and use and instead use uses.

3809
03:57:42,790 --> 03:57:46,830
Everybody's worried about uses are going to be expanding things, events,

3810
03:57:47,290 --> 03:57:50,990
but we're talking about weddings and receptions and all that stuff.

3811
03:57:51,410 --> 03:57:56,970
I don't know why we switch from service, which we know is what it says, to use this.

3812
03:58:00,810 --> 03:58:05,850
Could be, so the church can never be, I mean, we always think everyone is worried that the church

3813
03:58:05,850 --> 03:58:09,310
is going to get a gobbled up by the club, so it should be that the church really can

3814
03:58:09,310 --> 03:58:14,710
never be incorporated into the club would be something we'd like to see as well.

3815
03:58:15,490 --> 03:58:20,530
We've already touched on the failure to address noise issues and they have it to maybe

3816
03:58:20,530 --> 03:58:22,650
even attach to your DAVU.

3817
03:58:23,630 --> 03:58:24,190
Let's see.

3818
03:58:27,280 --> 03:58:32,620
So, the continuing, I touched on the continuing missing restrictions for retail and the hours

3819
03:58:32,620 --> 03:58:37,540
and that, because the other issue, if you don't have that, then how do you enforce what

3820
03:58:37,540 --> 03:58:38,080
do you enforce?

3821
03:58:38,360 --> 03:58:39,460
Who enforces it?

3822
03:58:39,520 --> 03:58:42,000
There is nothing in the declaration of use.

3823
03:58:42,500 --> 03:58:45,280
So, they're going to say, we don't have those restrictions on us.

3824
03:58:46,700 --> 03:58:53,040
We talked about the continued, I think, the, include the safety features, excuse me, which

3825
03:58:53,040 --> 03:58:56,200
I'm spent talked about in detail.

3826
03:58:56,520 --> 03:58:59,300
I think that's most of the issues we were looking at,

3827
03:58:59,460 --> 03:59:01,700
and I'll take a quick drop-do,

3828
03:59:01,720 --> 03:59:04,280
and I'll make you be able to get back a few minutes here too.

3829
03:59:05,100 --> 03:59:07,220
So I think what we're talking about

3830
03:59:07,220 --> 03:59:09,420
is those items that we've flagged.

3831
03:59:09,660 --> 03:59:10,960
That's mainly what we're looking at,

3832
03:59:11,140 --> 03:59:12,940
and somebody else can tell me if we've got any other ones.

3833
03:59:14,100 --> 03:59:15,540
But some of the early times,

3834
03:59:15,780 --> 03:59:18,200
some of the things that we're kind of skipped over,

3835
03:59:19,240 --> 03:59:21,960
and the noise issue and a study for at least a baseline

3836
03:59:21,960 --> 03:59:24,140
for what should an operating be.

3837
03:59:24,600 --> 03:59:26,980
And we are also concerned a little bit about, you know,

3838
03:59:27,040 --> 03:59:29,240
what is the operating entity going to be?

3839
03:59:29,560 --> 03:59:31,000
Well, last time when we had the carrier chest,

3840
03:59:31,240 --> 03:59:32,500
they had the operator here.

3841
03:59:33,140 --> 03:59:35,080
And then they switched out to Mario and Mario's great.

3842
03:59:35,660 --> 03:59:37,960
Last time, Paul Mouse, we had the operator here,

3843
03:59:38,200 --> 03:59:41,860
and we had an executive who could tell us why they thought

3844
03:59:41,860 --> 03:59:44,100
some of this things were or weren't going to be.

3845
03:59:44,100 --> 03:59:46,460
It wasn't just a future, we're going to hire somebody.

3846
03:59:47,040 --> 03:59:48,080
It was we have them here now.

3847
03:59:48,940 --> 03:59:49,500
I appreciate it.

3848
03:59:49,660 --> 03:59:50,420
That's the end point.

3849
03:59:50,520 --> 03:59:51,080
Thank you very much.

3850
03:59:51,080 --> 03:59:52,620
Thank you John.

3851
03:59:57,240 --> 03:59:59,040
It's some stuff from that.

3852
03:59:59,660 --> 03:59:59,960
Anyone up?

3853
04:00:11,620 --> 04:00:20,460
Hi, I'm Rick Smith, 133 Sunrise Avenue. I'm immediately adjacent to the Paramount as 42 of my

3854
04:00:20,460 --> 04:00:27,280
neighbors are and a whole bunch of other neighbors in this area. As you've heard previously, we're all concerned

3855
04:00:27,280 --> 04:00:34,400
about this and various reasons. John, we'll have to talk about noise, which is very important

3856
04:00:34,400 --> 04:00:40,520
to us, people sleep with their windows open, their doors open, they're elderly, and that's

3857
04:00:40,520 --> 04:00:41,340
kind of a disturbance.

3858
04:00:42,200 --> 04:00:48,900
We're also concerned about the odor coming from the commercial kitchens, which have high

3859
04:00:48,900 --> 04:00:55,040
intensity blowers on them, and we're concerned about the odor area in the proposed declaration.

3860
04:00:55,360 --> 04:01:00,400
It says it'll be a service once a week, but unfortunately that doesn't say anything about

3861
04:01:00,400 --> 04:01:04,380
it, what happens if there's odor, it just says it'll service once a week, and we're

3862
04:01:04,380 --> 04:01:09,840
sure what the remedy for that is for us when we're getting illiterate.

3863
04:01:09,920 --> 04:01:13,960
One other thing we're very concerned about is parking.

3864
04:01:16,840 --> 04:01:23,920
The comprehensive plan, and we have a special exception going at a CTS zone, and it's governed

3865
04:01:23,920 --> 04:01:25,480
by the comprehensive plan.

3866
04:01:26,040 --> 04:01:33,180
So we have 42 parking spaces, other property, our town engineers, so there's no valet parking

3867
04:01:33,180 --> 04:01:34,340
on Sunrise Avenue.

3868
04:01:34,920 --> 04:01:38,700
We have contention with Elifante 284 space,

3869
04:01:39,180 --> 04:01:39,640
a tables.

3870
04:01:40,520 --> 04:01:42,760
We have the synagogue, which has been approved.

3871
04:01:43,460 --> 04:01:45,320
That parking has to be worked out.

3872
04:01:45,460 --> 04:01:47,100
And we have St. Edward's church.

3873
04:01:47,340 --> 04:01:50,260
And the one has talked about the center of very strong letter,

3874
04:01:50,520 --> 04:01:52,520
saying they don't want anybody on their parking lot.

3875
04:01:52,760 --> 04:01:53,660
And they want penalties.

3876
04:01:54,260 --> 04:01:56,200
And there's nothing but a dress on that.

3877
04:01:56,680 --> 04:01:59,200
So we're very, we'd like some clarification on.

3878
04:01:59,280 --> 04:02:01,400
And we haven't had an expert report on parking.

3879
04:02:01,400 --> 04:02:06,020
So we like some kind of clarification on, you know, where are these cars going to park?

3880
04:02:18,690 --> 04:02:18,770
Okay.

3881
04:02:22,300 --> 04:02:22,800
Is that it?

3882
04:02:22,980 --> 04:02:23,420
I'm sorry.

3883
04:02:23,780 --> 04:02:24,420
Any other comments?

3884
04:02:25,020 --> 04:02:25,500
Yeah.

3885
04:02:25,660 --> 04:02:26,560
Thank you.

3886
04:02:28,380 --> 04:02:33,840
Alcohol servers can get a certification that they are trained to be alcohol servers.

3887
04:02:34,500 --> 04:02:39,040
There's a shuttle operation that comes from West Palm Beach from before 7 o'clock in

3888
04:02:39,040 --> 04:02:40,480
the morning until after midnight.

3889
04:02:40,800 --> 04:02:44,580
There's been no talk about how that shuttle operation is going to work and how it's going

3890
04:02:44,580 --> 04:02:45,200
to fit in.

3891
04:02:47,880 --> 04:02:54,540
This operation, if it wants to be expanded, under the requirements, it has to go back to a special exception.

3892
04:02:55,120 --> 04:03:00,700
It can't come back to town council to be improved, under the comprehensive plan, under the rules.

3893
04:03:01,500 --> 04:03:06,520
The town council can't approve a expansion of use, it has to be a special exception.

3894
04:03:09,880 --> 04:03:17,140
And the club, it would seem that a member should only be able to sponsor a event for his

3895
04:03:17,140 --> 04:03:21,100
own family or something like that, not just to be able to sponsor an event for anybody.

3896
04:03:22,260 --> 04:03:26,780
We're getting close to an event center here as opposed to a private dining club.

3897
04:03:27,080 --> 04:03:29,540
And I think that's very important for everyone to consider.

3898
04:03:29,880 --> 04:03:36,480
And in terms of that, when you have to have a policeman there, you know, late hours, those

3899
04:03:36,480 --> 04:03:49,780
federal events center situations, as I said, the other, there's no provision in here for insurance.

3900
04:03:51,220 --> 04:03:55,920
Part of this insurance and the operation is going to overlap on town property and perhaps

3901
04:03:55,920 --> 04:04:01,460
on sun and surf property, so there should be insurance in here for the town to be an additional

3902
04:04:01,460 --> 04:04:04,620
they've been assured, and perhaps the sun and surf also.

3903
04:04:05,020 --> 04:04:08,940
There's going to be liquor, things like that, people crossing the sidewalks, and we want to

3904
04:04:08,940 --> 04:04:13,660
make sure that our residents are protected, and the town is protected also.

3905
04:04:14,280 --> 04:04:16,320
That also gets into the shuttle operation.

3906
04:04:18,320 --> 04:04:22,600
If the shuttle were to have an accident, a bad accident, we don't know what insurance the shuttle

3907
04:04:22,600 --> 04:04:28,160
operator is going to have. Someone could say that the shuttle is a town requirement,

3908
04:04:28,160 --> 04:04:37,620
And because it's a town requirement, you know, how lawyers go, you might wind up being, you know, pulled into it, because it's a requirement of the town to have that.

3909
04:04:38,380 --> 04:04:42,400
It would be nice if neighbors hadn't been put to this.

3910
04:04:42,400 --> 04:04:54,000
We appreciate Joe Han and Jamie, but for those of us who live, you know, immediately adjacent, it would be nice to see if we could have an input on hours, garbage delivery pickup.

3911
04:04:54,560 --> 04:05:02,840
It's already been talked about noise and low emissions, which are unhealthy, garbage pickup

3912
04:05:02,840 --> 04:05:07,340
with a lot of empty cans and bottles is very noisy, and something to be considered.

3913
04:05:11,790 --> 04:05:13,490
There's something ringing, is that my-

3914
04:05:13,490 --> 04:05:14,290
That's your time.

3915
04:05:14,610 --> 04:05:15,410
I think it's my patient.

3916
04:05:15,630 --> 04:05:16,510
Five minutes there.

3917
04:05:16,610 --> 04:05:25,030
I think it's my pacemaker, but I think those are some of the issues, I think we think

3918
04:05:25,030 --> 04:05:27,690
they're very important, some are smaller than others,

3919
04:05:27,890 --> 04:05:31,470
like the alcohol server certification, insurance,

3920
04:05:31,810 --> 04:05:33,890
a plan for the shuttle, how it's going to work,

3921
04:05:34,310 --> 04:05:35,970
what happens when people miss the shuttle,

3922
04:05:36,090 --> 04:05:37,250
they're going to drive the town.

3923
04:05:37,690 --> 04:05:39,850
And again, we're all these people going to park.

3924
04:05:40,210 --> 04:05:40,830
Thank you very much.

3925
04:05:41,030 --> 04:05:41,890
Thank you, thank you.

3926
04:05:41,930 --> 04:05:42,270
Thank you.

3927
04:05:43,110 --> 04:05:43,970
Thank you.

3928
04:05:44,010 --> 04:05:45,010
Anybody else?

3929
04:05:45,550 --> 04:05:46,150
See Anita?

3930
04:05:47,430 --> 04:05:47,630
OK.

3931
04:05:49,990 --> 04:05:52,110
And by the way, the two can line up at once.

3932
04:05:52,430 --> 04:05:53,830
If there's anyone else who'd like to speak,

3933
04:05:53,970 --> 04:05:55,670
we have two podiums.

3934
04:05:55,670 --> 04:05:59,630
So you don't have to spend all the time walking.

3935
04:06:00,050 --> 04:06:00,650
I'm ready.

3936
04:06:01,150 --> 04:06:02,070
Thank you.

3937
04:06:02,070 --> 04:06:02,830
I need to.

3938
04:06:03,590 --> 04:06:04,310
Welcome back.

3939
04:06:04,310 --> 04:06:04,330
Welcome back.

3940
04:06:04,510 --> 04:06:05,010
Please the summer.

3941
04:06:05,850 --> 04:06:07,750
So you always comes in peace.

3942
04:06:08,150 --> 04:06:08,230
Yes.

3943
04:06:08,610 --> 04:06:10,290
I come in peace.

3944
04:06:10,810 --> 04:06:10,830
Yes.

3945
04:06:11,030 --> 04:06:11,630
Pax.

3946
04:06:12,170 --> 04:06:14,010
P-A-X.

3947
04:06:14,170 --> 04:06:15,230
P-A-X.

3948
04:06:15,510 --> 04:06:16,010
Thank you.

3949
04:06:16,430 --> 04:06:16,730
Hello.

3950
04:06:16,930 --> 04:06:18,950
I need a shelter coconut row.

3951
04:06:21,110 --> 04:06:22,570
Just for some clarity.

3952
04:06:22,570 --> 04:06:31,470
for instance item number 14 to recap, there are 133 grandfathered spaces. It's a situation

3953
04:06:31,990 --> 04:06:39,830
that today's LPA, your agenda sought to remedy because of the unintended consequences

3954
04:06:39,830 --> 04:06:47,330
of the existing code. And that's good. If I've calculated correctly, the redeveloped uses

3955
04:06:47,330 --> 04:06:56,810
require 159 spaces. So the paramount is legally deficient by 26 spaces above what's

3956
04:06:56,810 --> 04:07:02,270
grandfathered. They have 46, they would gain four, but you're forcing the neighborhood

3957
04:07:02,270 --> 04:07:09,370
to absorb the demands that are going to be made on public resources because the actual

3958
04:07:09,370 --> 04:07:13,430
because of the actual non-existent fans and parking.

3959
04:07:15,190 --> 04:07:19,650
And you seem to have dismissed the deficiency, a real deficiency,

3960
04:07:20,930 --> 04:07:26,370
and you also seem to have refused to require a valet plan

3961
04:07:26,370 --> 04:07:29,870
for what I'm calling a sorceress.

3962
04:07:30,000 --> 04:07:43,040
Apprentice Approach to Parking. Poor, hapless, Mickey Mouse. Where is every car in excess of 50 actually going to be parked?

3963
04:07:44,080 --> 04:07:54,440
Hour after hour and day after day. You don't know. And you're about to create a confluence of more parking and traffic, misery,

3964
04:07:54,440 --> 04:08:04,600
Potentially compounded by Elefante's 284-seat restaurant and your synagogue approval, which

3965
04:08:04,600 --> 04:08:10,560
is potentially another mess waiting in the wings, pending its own agreement.

3966
04:08:12,600 --> 04:08:19,740
Item number 21, you received construction details staging for the first application, but

3967
04:08:19,740 --> 04:08:28,540
not now. Is one northbound lane going to have to close? Yes or no?

3968
04:08:30,620 --> 04:08:33,220
Fine. We know this for a fact.

3969
04:08:33,320 --> 04:08:34,520
Right? Yes.

3970
04:08:34,520 --> 04:08:35,520
Yes. We know that for a fact.

3971
04:08:35,660 --> 04:08:36,160
It's not closing.

3972
04:08:36,600 --> 04:08:36,840
Okay.

3973
04:08:37,280 --> 04:08:38,240
Is that right, staff?

3974
04:08:38,660 --> 04:08:40,060
Yes. They said that last time.

3975
04:08:40,320 --> 04:08:40,520
Good.

3976
04:08:41,340 --> 04:08:42,120
So, lastly.

3977
04:08:44,140 --> 04:08:45,820
And it's a commentary.

3978
04:08:46,380 --> 04:08:46,960
I'm sorry.

3979
04:08:48,120 --> 04:08:56,620
Unfortunately, this application process has been turned upside down because the declaration

3980
04:08:56,620 --> 04:09:04,300
of used to be a tool for operational compliance only after special exceptions and variants

3981
04:09:04,300 --> 04:09:11,540
criteria have been met and not as a cure, not as a magic wand.

3982
04:09:12,600 --> 04:09:16,780
That's something that the town doesn't want, the residents don't want.

3983
04:09:18,080 --> 04:09:23,320
The crucial special exception for shared parking didn't exist.

3984
04:09:24,520 --> 04:09:28,200
Four uses are taking place at the same time.

3985
04:09:28,380 --> 04:09:29,700
That's not shared parking.

3986
04:09:31,320 --> 04:09:37,880
Because of this, your boilerplate approval was flawed and ought to have been reasoned

3987
04:09:37,880 --> 04:09:43,580
denial, along with other non-compliance issues that you dismissed.

3988
04:09:45,480 --> 04:09:55,280
So, unfortunately, three of you, Mrs. Moran, Mr. Cunney, the application didn't fully

3989
04:09:55,280 --> 04:10:03,580
satisfy our complaint and our code of ordinances. Mr. Crampton, you robustly hung your hat

3990
04:10:03,580 --> 04:10:09,860
on the commercial designation in the future land use map, a map.

3991
04:10:11,060 --> 04:10:20,560
And it ignored multiple goals objectives and policies, which were trying to maintain.

3992
04:10:21,480 --> 04:10:25,860
And this was a point that I raised this morning.

3993
04:10:26,580 --> 04:10:28,040
Thank you.

3994
04:10:28,400 --> 04:10:29,460
Thank you.

3995
04:10:33,200 --> 04:10:34,820
I don't see anyone else.

3996
04:10:34,820 --> 04:10:45,480
Okay. I think that's the end of public comment. Okay. Let's see. Mr. Crowley?

3997
04:10:46,480 --> 04:10:47,340
Do you, what are you?

3998
04:10:48,000 --> 04:10:54,880
I don't know. I just want to, so I was going to ask if you thought about my humble request to stay open beyond 11 on the weekends.

3999
04:11:00,740 --> 04:11:05,440
I want to come in before we get into executive session and I have to sit down so I have to sit

4000
04:11:11,140 --> 04:11:11,560
down.

4001
04:11:11,920 --> 04:11:15,400
So I think we set the hours at 11 to begin with anyway.

4002
04:11:16,240 --> 04:11:21,160
I asked at the end of the last meeting for you to think more about that and so I'm asking you again.

4003
04:11:21,660 --> 04:11:23,340
So if you want to do a scroll poll, that's fine.

4004
04:11:24,840 --> 04:11:26,340
Well 11 seems really familiar.

4005
04:11:26,780 --> 04:11:28,860
Do you want to change your hours, anybody?

4006
04:11:31,050 --> 04:11:32,650
Ted, do you want to change the hours to later?

4007
04:11:33,570 --> 04:11:36,710
I can count to three that there's not votes for that so let's

4008
04:11:36,710 --> 04:11:39,970
I don't have a problem. I wouldn't have a problem with midnight because that's what

4009
04:11:39,970 --> 04:11:46,350
care of chance has but I don't have a problem to love in 30. I think it's negligible and

4010
04:11:46,350 --> 04:11:51,890
I think that the extension of a half hour could be huge for them. You know a half hour

4011
04:11:51,890 --> 04:11:54,650
is dessert, a half hour is you know.

4012
04:11:54,650 --> 04:12:01,010
I think so, I think that they've been very fair.

4013
04:12:01,030 --> 04:12:04,890
We're coming back six months after, but we can't ask for that again for two years.

4014
04:12:05,110 --> 04:12:07,150
So if it's a problem for six months then...

4015
04:12:07,150 --> 04:12:08,210
I think it's a couple of coffee.

4016
04:12:08,830 --> 04:12:09,690
What happens today?

4017
04:12:10,910 --> 04:12:13,310
My mother always said nothing good happens after it falls.

4018
04:12:14,190 --> 04:12:14,690
I said it might be.

4019
04:12:15,270 --> 04:12:16,490
She was right, actually.

4020
04:12:16,910 --> 04:12:18,850
But now that thing good happens after 11.

4021
04:12:22,150 --> 04:12:23,570
I'm fine with 11.

4022
04:12:23,570 --> 04:12:29,950
30, but I'll do whatever you call agree to, whatever the consensus is.

4023
04:12:30,230 --> 04:12:35,270
Look, I'm fine, I would be fine with 11.30 if I was sure that the neighbors couldn't hear the noise.

4024
04:12:35,990 --> 04:12:42,190
Well, why don't you do a condition like we did with the nada that if there are three verified complaints,

4025
04:12:42,410 --> 04:12:43,870
then they come back to us.

4026
04:12:44,070 --> 04:12:44,330
It can be.

4027
04:12:44,330 --> 04:12:45,270
That's one of the agreements.

4028
04:12:46,170 --> 04:12:46,750
It is.

4029
04:12:46,790 --> 04:12:47,090
Yes.

4030
04:12:47,390 --> 04:12:48,350
If there are three verified.

4031
04:12:48,870 --> 04:12:48,890
Okay.

4032
04:12:49,830 --> 04:12:51,130
So we have that.

4033
04:12:51,130 --> 04:12:51,370
Right.

4034
04:12:51,370 --> 04:12:53,370
It's in it. So I go to 1130.

4035
04:12:53,550 --> 04:12:55,270
Okay, so you got it on the desk.

4036
04:12:55,610 --> 04:12:56,970
We'll go to 1130.

4037
04:12:57,890 --> 04:12:59,030
But we can only.

4038
04:12:59,310 --> 04:12:59,990
Yes, yes.

4039
04:13:00,030 --> 04:13:00,990
Yes, yes.

4040
04:13:01,030 --> 04:13:01,790
Friday, Saturday.

4041
04:13:02,390 --> 04:13:02,510
Right.

4042
04:13:02,910 --> 04:13:04,570
Very good.

4043
04:13:05,890 --> 04:13:06,970
Like this is yours.

4044
04:13:07,270 --> 04:13:08,790
It doesn't need to start to fail.

4045
04:13:08,930 --> 04:13:10,490
I mean, if you can keep it quiet,

4046
04:13:10,990 --> 04:13:12,790
like the Venetta is doing

4047
04:13:13,370 --> 04:13:15,050
and like some of these other standards.

4048
04:13:15,430 --> 04:13:16,450
The carriage house did.

4049
04:13:17,030 --> 04:13:19,550
You know, you may become friendly with a neighbor

4050
04:13:19,550 --> 04:13:21,690
instead of where you are.

4051
04:13:22,110 --> 04:13:24,350
So these are weekend nights, Friday and Saturday.

4052
04:13:24,630 --> 04:13:26,150
Sunday is not a weekend.

4053
04:13:26,490 --> 04:13:26,930
Back to a week.

4054
04:13:27,190 --> 04:13:29,090
Sunday stays to a lab and that's fine.

4055
04:13:29,450 --> 04:13:30,970
I just, yeah.

4056
04:13:32,530 --> 04:13:33,010
Thank you.

4057
04:13:33,210 --> 04:13:34,970
I'm going to have some questions for Jamie

4058
04:13:34,970 --> 04:13:36,910
when we talk about some of the things

4059
04:13:36,910 --> 04:13:39,250
John, you, banks and the other gentleman brought up.

4060
04:13:39,410 --> 04:13:40,790
So how do you want to do that?

4061
04:13:40,890 --> 04:13:42,850
Let's get to him because we're talking about it.

4062
04:13:42,850 --> 04:13:43,130
Let's go.

4063
04:13:43,370 --> 04:13:45,310
Let's make it a little bit.

4064
04:13:45,430 --> 04:13:48,170
OK, I thought we already did no music in the courtyard.

4065
04:13:48,830 --> 04:13:49,450
That was decided.

4066
04:13:49,450 --> 04:13:50,950
is that in the declaration of use,

4067
04:13:50,950 --> 04:13:53,750
because we all said, after we had agreed for instruments,

4068
04:13:53,890 --> 04:13:54,070
we did.

4069
04:13:54,070 --> 04:13:55,770
Can I answer that by the way?

4070
04:13:56,510 --> 04:13:58,350
So the question about getting a baseline,

4071
04:13:58,750 --> 04:14:00,410
we did that early in this process.

4072
04:14:00,490 --> 04:14:03,650
We were out there with, we've had live music out there,

4073
04:14:03,650 --> 04:14:06,350
amplified, cranked, and no one heard it,

4074
04:14:06,410 --> 04:14:07,450
and no one complained about it.

4075
04:14:07,650 --> 04:14:09,410
We had noise reading meters out there.

4076
04:14:09,530 --> 04:14:11,850
We called the town to come take readings.

4077
04:14:12,430 --> 04:14:14,370
Right, Lester, right when we were studying,

4078
04:14:14,550 --> 04:14:16,790
whether or not they could have events in the courtyard,

4079
04:14:17,190 --> 04:14:18,390
way back three years ago.

4080
04:14:18,390 --> 04:14:22,250
We took those really you can't hear anything out there so for them

4081
04:14:22,250 --> 04:14:28,730
So that's already been done that that so I think the intent for the courtyard is to have background music like

4082
04:14:28,730 --> 04:14:31,050
Oh my like yeah, with the carriage. So that's fine

4083
04:14:31,050 --> 04:14:38,630
Yes, but to answer the question we've done those noise readings. You cannot hear music. But you have no music in the courtyard and the declaration of use right now

4084
04:14:38,630 --> 04:14:39,710
It's live music

4085
04:14:40,810 --> 04:14:43,530
Okay, I think we need to just background music

4086
04:14:43,530 --> 04:14:50,610
I think we need to be clear about what music's allowed in the courtyard and what music's allowed inside if there's a difference.

4087
04:14:51,750 --> 04:14:53,670
Background music is also.

4088
04:14:54,030 --> 04:14:56,890
And then inside we agree to three instruments.

4089
04:14:57,110 --> 04:14:58,170
Yep, three pieces.

4090
04:14:58,370 --> 04:14:59,090
Three pieces.

4091
04:14:59,570 --> 04:14:59,970
And we'll draw.

4092
04:15:00,080 --> 04:15:19,280
We didn't say that, but it should be no drums. That's obvious. We did last time. I agree with John on the ad after, so I'd like to hear from you why you took out and that's in number 15,

4093
04:15:21,700 --> 04:15:23,460
under club number 15.

4094
04:15:23,460 --> 04:15:28,940
Julie, I think I probably took that out because that paragraph doesn't really have anything to do with timing.

4095
04:15:28,940 --> 04:15:33,780
The point of that paragraph is just if anyone's getting dropped off by a ride sharing vehicle,

4096
04:15:34,000 --> 04:15:37,980
whether it's an employee or a guest, it helps to happen on North County Road.

4097
04:15:38,320 --> 04:15:39,800
Now, I suspect they're going to have an employee.

4098
04:15:39,940 --> 04:15:43,080
Is that shocked before 60m, 60m is when they open.

4099
04:15:43,480 --> 04:15:47,760
Wait a second, but if we're talking about the club, it's not open during the week before six.

4100
04:15:47,920 --> 04:15:53,060
So I took that out because on the weekends it is and you can get dropped off on the weekends when there's no big traffic problems.

4101
04:15:53,060 --> 04:15:57,860
So during the week, when there's a traffic issue, the club's not open.

4102
04:15:59,460 --> 04:16:06,300
So, and then someone brought up the fact, well, what about the fact that the club's open on the weekends before six, so I took out after six.

4103
04:16:06,820 --> 04:16:16,040
So if someone's getting dropped off there, again, it's better if someone can quickly pull up, use one of those parking spaces, drop someone off and leave, that's better for the neighborhood.

4104
04:16:16,040 --> 04:16:23,940
Okay, so they hit killer pick up and draw off. That's that would be weekends to them because there are space limitations on the weekends

4105
04:16:23,940 --> 04:16:26,200
So that includes all days

4106
04:16:26,200 --> 04:16:28,640
So that's John's that

4107
04:16:29,500 --> 04:16:33,380
So I had thought about this and Joanne I wanted to ask you

4108
04:16:34,100 --> 04:16:37,520
Because I know Everglades is very strict about this too

4109
04:16:37,940 --> 04:16:44,860
I don't know about the other clubs, but I do think events should be I mean the member has to be present

4110
04:16:44,860 --> 04:16:51,000
But someone said Rick, maybe, that it should be family members only and I agree with that.

4111
04:16:51,140 --> 04:16:57,000
I mean, you could be giving, you know, you could be sponsoring event after event after event.

4112
04:16:57,940 --> 04:16:59,200
It's one of month.

4113
04:16:59,460 --> 04:17:00,060
One month.

4114
04:17:00,580 --> 04:17:05,100
Oh, yeah, but you can anything under 60 is not an event.

4115
04:17:07,280 --> 04:17:12,340
So, okay, one of them, I still would like to see family members, but that's my feeling.

4116
04:17:12,900 --> 04:17:18,160
The family of the member has to be present for the event and we did the same thing as we

4117
04:17:18,160 --> 04:17:23,060
didn't for the cynics that event has to be an organized member sponsored function.

4118
04:17:23,800 --> 04:17:25,160
Right, but this is different.

4119
04:17:25,360 --> 04:17:28,160
This is a club so we could actually go farther.

4120
04:17:28,780 --> 04:17:32,540
This is what the member encourages us to, and I think it's stronger than Caratels, because

4121
04:17:32,540 --> 04:17:34,560
the member has to be physically present.

4122
04:17:34,900 --> 04:17:37,020
That's what's so much more requires for the group.

4123
04:17:37,600 --> 04:17:41,240
So Shelby, you've got in here, it has to be soundproof, as I remember.

4124
04:17:41,420 --> 04:17:41,720
Yes.

4125
04:17:41,720 --> 04:17:48,780
And don't you also have if the neighbors complain then you either come to it gets fixed or you come to us

4126
04:17:48,780 --> 04:17:53,500
There's the process and remedies is that if there were verified complaints got it

4127
04:17:53,500 --> 04:18:02,300
I just want to repeat so they know Bobby you came up with and I can't remember the name of it at the banana and I think that was a good point

4128
04:18:02,300 --> 04:18:09,040
Maybe by John that every single person couldn't go and and God blessed you turn up the music

4129
04:18:09,040 --> 04:18:11,860
what you're not an organizer, what you call the thing

4130
04:18:11,860 --> 04:18:13,740
that you put on it, so only the manager

4131
04:18:14,720 --> 04:18:16,920
and can turn up and down the music.

4132
04:18:17,520 --> 04:18:18,320
You brought it up with you.

4133
04:18:18,720 --> 04:18:20,440
I can't remember what you call it.

4134
04:18:20,800 --> 04:18:22,520
So there's a main thing to turn it up down.

4135
04:18:22,520 --> 04:18:24,220
I think you're mixing me up with somebody else,

4136
04:18:24,680 --> 04:18:25,860
but now it was you.

4137
04:18:26,200 --> 04:18:27,000
I don't, Julie.

4138
04:18:27,220 --> 04:18:30,820
Someone in person that controls the volume of the music.

4139
04:18:31,200 --> 04:18:31,960
But it's in a matter ofity.

4140
04:18:31,960 --> 04:18:34,920
No, but there was something that you put on it,

4141
04:18:35,080 --> 04:18:36,040
or something like that.

4142
04:18:36,200 --> 04:18:36,840
Regulator, thank you.

4143
04:18:36,840 --> 04:18:38,520
Well, there's always going to be a manager on duty

4144
04:18:38,520 --> 04:18:42,080
to say that they have to have controls of the sound system.

4145
04:18:42,260 --> 04:18:44,520
I'd like to say that.

4146
04:18:44,560 --> 04:18:47,420
You know, manager and assistant manager,

4147
04:18:47,560 --> 04:18:49,520
whatever you want to say, that's what we did.

4148
04:18:50,140 --> 04:18:52,720
We've been doing lately, so I'd like that added.

4149
04:18:53,760 --> 04:18:56,040
We'll stipulate that the manager of the club

4150
04:18:56,040 --> 04:18:58,620
has jurisdiction to turn down the music.

4151
04:18:59,720 --> 04:19:02,740
Or up, or up, or up, or up.

4152
04:19:02,740 --> 04:19:04,380
I mean, only he does up or down.

4153
04:19:04,500 --> 04:19:07,320
We did that at two of the things we've done,

4154
04:19:07,320 --> 04:19:09,620
because the problem is waiters go turn it up.

4155
04:19:09,800 --> 04:19:10,840
This one goes turn it up.

4156
04:19:10,900 --> 04:19:13,000
But what if the managers in the restroom?

4157
04:19:13,180 --> 04:19:16,720
I mean, we can't overthink every single thing here.

4158
04:19:17,200 --> 04:19:20,000
Yeah, we want flexibility.

4159
04:19:20,280 --> 04:19:20,780
That's right.

4160
04:19:21,980 --> 04:19:24,720
If someone falls down and having a medical episode,

4161
04:19:24,880 --> 04:19:26,800
you want someone to be able to run and turn the music down.

4162
04:19:28,380 --> 04:19:30,080
Insurance doesn't have to be discussed

4163
04:19:30,080 --> 04:19:33,640
because I'm just trying to bring up insurance is a given.

4164
04:19:34,400 --> 04:19:36,720
So we don't have to deal correct Joanne.

4165
04:19:36,720 --> 04:19:46,240
We don't have to deal with any more insurance. It's a given church. I did agree. I thought we were putting somewhere, and I can't remember if it's in there.

4166
04:19:46,920 --> 04:19:56,140
That the church area may only be used for those services. Later it cannot be used by the club or, right, it's in there.

4167
04:19:56,360 --> 04:20:03,360
So that only is going to be used from Sunday 8 a.m. to 11 a.m. Is that clear in there, Joanne?

4168
04:20:04,840 --> 04:20:11,200
A21130, we discussed that earlier, there's language under the club and paragraph 2 that says the club can't happen upstairs,

4169
04:20:11,200 --> 04:20:14,960
and I specifically called out the church area as a place the club cannot happen.

4170
04:20:15,300 --> 04:20:15,480
Okay.

4171
04:20:15,560 --> 04:20:22,240
I think we've pretty carefully distinguished between the church and the club, and Stakeson, you add more to it,

4172
04:20:22,520 --> 04:20:24,740
where you that creates more ambiguity and confusion.

4173
04:20:24,980 --> 04:20:25,240
Okay.

4174
04:20:25,640 --> 04:20:29,780
I just wondered, like, what about it's not going to be used for the club or the cafe,

4175
04:20:29,960 --> 04:20:32,240
but they decide they can use it for something else?

4176
04:20:32,240 --> 04:20:36,820
It's for religious uses, meaning there's only some that are protected.

4177
04:20:36,860 --> 04:20:39,060
Okay, perfect, I'm just checking.

4178
04:20:41,920 --> 04:20:43,800
Got it, that's it for me.

4179
04:20:45,480 --> 04:20:47,820
And the club's not open when they're using them.

4180
04:20:48,240 --> 04:20:49,840
No, and oh, and Anita's.

4181
04:20:50,420 --> 04:20:53,240
So there is one time, but I thought you answered this way.

4182
04:20:53,360 --> 04:20:56,500
And there is one time when the club is open,

4183
04:20:57,040 --> 04:21:00,620
when the cafe is open, and when the church is open.

4184
04:21:01,020 --> 04:21:01,720
Do they?

4185
04:21:06,400 --> 04:21:09,560
Sorry, we can't, we can't help it.

4186
04:21:09,780 --> 04:21:10,440
I can't help it.

4187
04:21:10,720 --> 04:21:11,520
I can't help it.

4188
04:21:11,780 --> 04:21:13,540
I would be Sunday, Sunday morning.

4189
04:21:14,240 --> 04:21:16,300
Sunday morning, you have the church.

4190
04:21:16,300 --> 04:21:19,380
You have the cafe.

4191
04:21:20,360 --> 04:21:21,880
You have the club.

4192
04:21:22,140 --> 04:21:24,380
The club's not open Sunday morning.

4193
04:21:24,800 --> 04:21:24,820
Right.

4194
04:21:24,820 --> 04:21:25,120
Okay.

4195
04:21:25,120 --> 04:21:26,860
So it's just two.

4196
04:21:27,720 --> 04:21:29,080
And then, of course, retail,

4197
04:21:29,260 --> 04:21:29,660
Correct.

4198
04:21:29,960 --> 04:21:30,680
There'll be retail.

4199
04:21:30,940 --> 04:21:32,220
We have a retail that opened at that.

4200
04:21:32,300 --> 04:21:32,640
Yes.

4201
04:21:35,220 --> 04:21:38,480
I said something that keeps getting taken out of context.

4202
04:21:38,680 --> 04:21:42,160
What I meant to say is all of the uses aren't happening at the same time,

4203
04:21:42,560 --> 04:21:43,220
every use, right?

4204
04:21:43,660 --> 04:21:47,400
And we had a 200-page traffic study from an expert traffic engineer

4205
04:21:47,400 --> 04:21:50,700
that said exactly why we met the shared parking criteria,

4206
04:21:50,880 --> 04:21:52,600
which you all reserved and you all approved.

4207
04:21:52,700 --> 04:21:53,340
No, no, no.

4208
04:21:53,460 --> 04:21:54,180
We're not having to argue.

4209
04:21:54,500 --> 04:21:56,640
But that keeps getting said and it bothers me,

4210
04:21:56,660 --> 04:21:58,180
because I'm not a traffic engineer,

4211
04:21:58,600 --> 04:22:01,740
and I know we hired the best traffic engineer to address that

4212
04:22:01,740 --> 04:22:05,560
And it was addressed, and it was competent substantial evidence that you considered on the record.

4213
04:22:05,940 --> 04:22:08,880
So for people to keep coming up here and say you didn't think about it or you didn't

4214
04:22:08,880 --> 04:22:09,460
do it right.

4215
04:22:09,800 --> 04:22:14,120
And the comprehensive plan specifically says you have to provide parking where the land development

4216
04:22:14,120 --> 04:22:17,080
regulations require it.

4217
04:22:17,360 --> 04:22:21,580
And in this case, the land development regulations did not require additional parking.

4218
04:22:21,700 --> 04:22:24,880
And what you did this morning has nothing to do with what you were arguing with.

4219
04:22:25,520 --> 04:22:28,820
I think we're not supposed to discuss anything that we already talked about.

4220
04:22:28,820 --> 04:22:29,240
I'm sorry.

4221
04:22:29,560 --> 04:22:29,980
I'm sorry.

4222
04:22:30,000 --> 04:22:37,440
I don't blame you. Last thing, hours for retail. That was a good point, because retail could be open till midnight, do we pair?

4223
04:22:39,620 --> 04:22:42,740
I think we talked about that.

4224
04:22:43,700 --> 04:22:49,360
Right now, it closes at probably six. Yeah, let's put some hours in.

4225
04:22:49,480 --> 04:22:56,640
I'm not. I'm not. I mean, you don't want everything going on at once. I mean, you want the club open the club.

4226
04:22:56,640 --> 04:22:59,200
You're going to have to take part in the retail.

4227
04:22:59,660 --> 04:23:00,980
The retail has always been closed.

4228
04:23:01,420 --> 04:23:03,040
But we have the same issue at the time.

4229
04:23:03,220 --> 04:23:03,900
I think six is early.

4230
04:23:04,420 --> 04:23:06,660
Finally, I don't worth having it.

4231
04:23:06,840 --> 04:23:08,560
But the retail is a permitted use.

4232
04:23:09,620 --> 04:23:10,980
So that's how it is.

4233
04:23:11,260 --> 04:23:11,880
It's permitted.

4234
04:23:12,320 --> 04:23:13,840
So the retail use should be regulated

4235
04:23:13,840 --> 04:23:16,240
like all the other retail uses in town.

4236
04:23:16,980 --> 04:23:19,280
And by the way, we're in a building with no parking right now.

4237
04:23:19,500 --> 04:23:21,080
And somehow, we all managed to get in here

4238
04:23:21,080 --> 04:23:22,520
and not block the middle of the streets.

4239
04:23:23,040 --> 04:23:24,440
So, you know, these landmark buildings,

4240
04:23:24,660 --> 04:23:25,720
they were built 100 years ago.

4241
04:23:25,720 --> 04:23:27,780
Some of them don't have parking, and guess what?

4242
04:23:27,980 --> 04:23:28,480
We adapt.

4243
04:23:28,780 --> 04:23:29,480
We make it work.

4244
04:23:30,520 --> 04:23:32,340
I don't see 200 people in this room.

4245
04:23:32,380 --> 04:23:34,260
I've seen 200 people in this room for a week.

4246
04:23:34,260 --> 04:23:37,280
And they have to be parked everywhere, so it's not.

4247
04:23:37,760 --> 04:23:40,500
It's a little different than that, but anyway.

4248
04:23:41,060 --> 04:23:42,420
So how do we feel about retail?

4249
04:23:42,760 --> 04:23:44,000
That's my only question.

4250
04:23:44,760 --> 04:23:45,200
About what?

4251
04:23:45,200 --> 04:23:46,980
Do we restrict it anywhere else?

4252
04:23:47,120 --> 04:23:48,860
If we have a restricted retail?

4253
04:23:48,860 --> 04:23:49,420
It's a primitive name.

4254
04:23:49,420 --> 04:23:51,980
In terms of ours, I think it's a little different here

4255
04:23:51,980 --> 04:23:54,600
though, because you've got retail plus a club.

4256
04:23:54,600 --> 04:23:59,500
I think it's a permitted use, and there's special exception, only covers the, it's covering the club.

4257
04:23:59,740 --> 04:24:00,260
It's not right.

4258
04:24:01,200 --> 04:24:01,520
Right.

4259
04:24:02,440 --> 04:24:05,440
And we wanted to close the retail, and you told us to bring it back.

4260
04:24:05,540 --> 04:24:06,980
We wanted you to put it in there, sir.

4261
04:24:07,260 --> 04:24:07,420
Wait.

4262
04:24:07,980 --> 04:24:14,220
I'm just going to say, if one of the uses was over 3000 square feet, that would be the special exception,

4263
04:24:14,580 --> 04:24:18,480
where you would be able to regulate it in a declaration of use.

4264
04:24:18,740 --> 04:24:19,100
Thank you.

4265
04:24:19,100 --> 04:24:19,380
Yeah.

4266
04:24:20,020 --> 04:24:20,400
So we should.

4267
04:24:20,760 --> 04:24:24,520
I mean, the only thing I remember talking about with the retail is wanting to make sure you

4268
04:24:24,520 --> 04:24:29,360
could access it from a courtyard as well as from the, yeah, oh yeah, you know, as from

4269
04:24:30,060 --> 04:24:33,860
the, and that's in here, I hope it's, is that in here, Jamie?

4270
04:24:37,080 --> 04:24:40,180
Because we've, we've, we went through that with respect to the site plan.

4271
04:24:40,180 --> 04:24:41,700
I don't remember if it's in here or not.

4272
04:24:42,100 --> 04:24:42,160
Okay.

4273
04:24:42,280 --> 04:24:45,120
Do you want to just take a look at that, Jamie?

4274
04:24:45,900 --> 04:24:47,420
I mean, we're all, all look at it, which I want.

4275
04:24:47,460 --> 04:24:47,840
Okay.

4276
04:24:47,840 --> 04:24:50,460
wherever the finish line, I mean, this is not.

4277
04:24:51,400 --> 04:24:54,460
Bobby, can I just go ahead?

4278
04:24:54,680 --> 04:24:59,080
Yeah, I just want to respond to something that Anita said,

4279
04:25:00,440 --> 04:25:03,040
because she kind of called me out on it.

4280
04:25:03,400 --> 04:25:07,180
So Anita, I'm holding in my hand here, the staff memo

4281
04:25:07,800 --> 04:25:12,780
that staff provided to all of us prior to our evaluation

4282
04:25:12,780 --> 04:25:13,660
as proposal.

4283
04:25:14,380 --> 04:25:15,500
And I'm going to read something.

4284
04:25:15,500 --> 04:25:17,880
I'm going to read something, hold on.

4285
04:25:22,800 --> 04:25:24,360
I'm just reading from the staff memo.

4286
04:25:24,360 --> 04:25:29,900
It says consistency with the comprehensive plan, OK?

4287
04:25:31,020 --> 04:25:33,040
A preliminary review, I'm quoting from it,

4288
04:25:33,040 --> 04:25:35,840
of the project, indicates that the proposed application

4289
04:25:35,840 --> 04:25:40,960
appears consistent with the commercial,

4290
04:25:41,080 --> 04:25:42,720
I'm not being stopped by our council.

4291
04:25:43,640 --> 04:25:45,540
We can respond to the public comment.

4292
04:25:45,760 --> 04:25:46,380
The last it's in a public comment.

4293
04:25:46,380 --> 04:25:48,140
I'm responding to the public comments.

4294
04:25:48,140 --> 04:25:50,440
Okay, I appreciate that, Julie.

4295
04:25:50,640 --> 04:25:51,440
It's all right.

4296
04:25:51,740 --> 04:25:54,240
I'll read it again, consistency with the comprehensive plan.

4297
04:25:54,260 --> 04:25:56,700
This is what we were advised by staff.

4298
04:25:57,680 --> 04:25:59,940
So if I'm wrong, staff is wrong.

4299
04:26:00,640 --> 04:26:04,260
So basically this says, consistency with the comprehensive plan,

4300
04:26:05,100 --> 04:26:07,460
a preliminary review of the project indicates

4301
04:26:07,460 --> 04:26:10,500
that the proposed application, that's what we went

4302
04:26:10,500 --> 04:26:14,540
evaluating, appears consistent, and this is in bold,

4303
04:26:14,540 --> 04:26:18,580
with the commercial designation of the future land use map of the

4304
04:26:18,580 --> 04:26:19,520
conference of plan.

4305
04:26:20,760 --> 04:26:23,820
So that is exactly what we've been told by staff.

4306
04:26:24,720 --> 04:26:25,940
Just want you to know that.

4307
04:26:26,180 --> 04:26:26,980
That's all.

4308
04:26:31,180 --> 04:26:31,640
All right.

4309
04:26:33,000 --> 04:26:33,480
Donnie.

4310
04:26:33,660 --> 04:26:34,320
Oh, I'm sorry.

4311
04:26:35,100 --> 04:26:36,020
I didn't know that.

4312
04:26:36,020 --> 04:26:36,760
Oh, that's all right.

4313
04:26:37,500 --> 04:26:37,700
So Lou.

4314
04:26:38,820 --> 04:26:41,920
Yeah, I think we're ready for a motion.

4315
04:26:43,100 --> 04:26:46,040
I'd like to say it this way, which I think we've done before.

4316
04:26:46,040 --> 04:26:47,060
where it's Jamie,

4317
04:26:49,260 --> 04:26:57,440
is just that if I make the motion to approve with all changes that council

4318
04:26:58,120 --> 04:27:02,320
agreed and talked about today, is that the way that because I don't think we can go through

4319
04:27:02,320 --> 04:27:09,260
every single change. Joanne and I will do, we will go back and listen to every condition. I think we've

4320
04:27:09,260 --> 04:27:16,380
We missed one, and that was the, that is my, on my honor that will be in the next draft I promise.

4321
04:27:16,760 --> 04:27:17,020
Okay.

4322
04:27:17,200 --> 04:27:22,240
I do think we should do what Wayne recommended on the next one.

4323
04:27:22,320 --> 04:27:23,820
Can we put it on the consent agenda?

4324
04:27:24,500 --> 04:27:28,000
That way we can also check and make sure everything was on there.

4325
04:27:28,160 --> 04:27:30,160
Public and check and make sure everything.

4326
04:27:31,380 --> 04:27:32,740
John, you banks that way.

4327
04:27:33,020 --> 04:27:33,920
Consent is great.

4328
04:27:34,040 --> 04:27:35,180
We can pass it right through.

4329
04:27:35,180 --> 04:27:40,180
And we only can pull it, Jamie, so nobody else can pull it.

4330
04:27:41,360 --> 04:27:42,240
So I'd like to do it.

4331
04:27:42,280 --> 04:27:44,100
I prefer if we wrap it up and just join in.

4332
04:27:44,120 --> 04:27:44,960
I want to put it on.

4333
04:27:45,360 --> 04:27:48,660
I'll make the motion, and if it gets to know, then somebody else will.

4334
04:27:49,320 --> 04:27:52,340
So my motion is, I'll restate it.

4335
04:27:52,360 --> 04:27:56,240
My motion is to approve the Declaration of Youth Agreement,

4336
04:27:57,400 --> 04:28:00,080
per everything that we have discussed today,

4337
04:28:00,240 --> 04:28:01,860
and agreed to as a council,

4338
04:28:01,860 --> 04:28:11,080
And those things that we have directed Jamie and Joanne to add or correct on top of that or remove.

4339
04:28:12,140 --> 04:28:21,640
And that it will be placed after they've done the corrections on the consent agenda on April 15th for final approval by us.

4340
04:28:21,720 --> 04:28:28,720
But again, Jamie, only we can pull it. No one else can pull it. So that's my motion that it be on the consent agenda.

4341
04:28:28,720 --> 04:28:35,700
As we saw today, we thought everything was done and it wasn't, so I'd like to see it.

4342
04:28:36,100 --> 04:28:39,020
But don't get a second, then you all can go ahead.

4343
04:28:39,320 --> 04:28:39,620
All second.

4344
04:28:41,880 --> 04:28:42,320
Yes.

4345
04:28:42,720 --> 04:28:43,080
Mr. Cooney?

4346
04:28:44,080 --> 04:28:44,980
Ms. Moran?

4347
04:28:46,560 --> 04:28:46,780
Sure.

4348
04:28:47,820 --> 04:28:48,440
Mr. Crampton?

4349
04:28:48,620 --> 04:28:49,800
I have no problem with I.

4350
04:28:50,500 --> 04:28:51,200
Just listen to me.

4351
04:28:52,140 --> 04:28:52,340
Okay.

4352
04:28:53,280 --> 04:28:53,420
Okay.

4353
04:28:53,420 --> 04:28:54,160
Thank you, Jamie.

4354
04:28:54,560 --> 04:28:55,400
Thank you, everybody.

4355
04:28:55,680 --> 04:28:57,540
And thank you for agreeing to the three.

4356
04:29:00,900 --> 04:29:01,440
Come

4357
04:29:36,960 --> 04:29:39,440
on everybody let's not be here all night.

4358
04:29:41,480 --> 04:29:45,640
I know you're here. Here's Ted. He was just bringing me water. Thank you Ted.

4359
04:29:46,280 --> 04:29:49,800
All right, so we are now going to go to 26.

4360
04:29:49,800 --> 04:29:49,920
Thanks.

4361
04:29:55,550 --> 04:29:55,770
Thanks.

4362
04:29:56,610 --> 04:29:56,830
Thanks.

4363
04:29:56,830 --> 04:29:56,910
Thanks.

4364
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:09,780
I had a discussion with Mr. Oyer when he's stated he couldn't be here today and he explained the request and advocated for approval.

4365
04:30:10,900 --> 04:30:20,900
None. None. I also spoke to Mr. Oyer and he explained this request and advocated for its approval.

4366
04:30:20,900 --> 04:30:27,940
I do had a discussion with Mr. Oyer who tied this particular request to important security considerations

4367
04:30:28,820 --> 04:30:36,620
and advocated that this particular request had to be met ASAP.

4368
04:30:41,500 --> 04:30:52,860
So I received a letter from U.S. Secrets Service, Deputy Agent, Interlarge, Matthew W. Peeant,

4369
04:30:53,100 --> 04:31:01,840
who recommends prioritizing approval of this project as uninterrupted power is crucial to the execution of security.

4370
04:31:01,840 --> 04:31:06,960
Did we all get that? I don't remember seeing it's here in the back of the books. I got it through

4371
04:31:08,120 --> 04:31:13,840
To my email. I don't know if it's in our home. I missed it. Then I might. It's in our blue folder

4372
04:31:14,760 --> 04:31:16,680
Is it back up here?

4373
04:31:16,800 --> 04:31:19,940
So you could just take my word for all right

4374
04:31:19,940 --> 04:31:21,800
Oh, thank you. Thank you word for it

4375
04:31:21,800 --> 04:31:25,960
So we've done it everybody's done next part day, right? Yes, okay?

4376
04:31:27,380 --> 04:31:31,460
Yes, the next the next the

4377
04:31:31,460 --> 04:31:40,060
1,026,006, 1,100 South Ocean Boulevard, the Mara Logo Club, the application is before you

4378
04:31:40,060 --> 04:31:42,440
for a special exception site plan review.

4379
04:31:44,380 --> 04:31:49,940
Torrentureself, we're talking about a service area on the southern side of the parcel.

4380
04:31:51,120 --> 04:31:55,340
As a notation, this project is before you because it's a commercial property in use.

4381
04:31:55,340 --> 04:32:08,300
And so any modification to the existing approved special exception comes before you, but specifically today we're talking about a proposed generator room.

4382
04:32:08,880 --> 04:32:15,680
The code requires that generators over certain size be housed in a building, and that's exactly what it is here today.

4383
04:32:17,660 --> 04:32:24,280
Because it's a commercial property, this has come to you first, rather than going to the design commission.

4384
04:32:25,180 --> 04:32:30,580
However, it is scheduled for March 18, Landmarks Preservation Commission,

4385
04:32:30,980 --> 04:32:36,660
where they will critically review the architectural style and scale of the proposed enclosure building.

4386
04:32:38,980 --> 04:32:45,160
Just to get you oriented and familiarize yourself with the architecture,

4387
04:32:45,160 --> 04:32:56,540
It's a simple square building with enough slanted ventilations on one side to provide the adequate circulation of air for the equipments.

4388
04:32:57,520 --> 04:33:04,000
Here's a rendering of the project. Again, underscore that this has not been vetted through the landmarks preservation commission.

4389
04:33:07,350 --> 04:33:17,850
And then in summary, the project requires two motions to be made, or it can be made as a combination for a special exception with site plan review.

4390
04:33:18,110 --> 04:33:23,810
It's important to note that we have yet to receive a final sign-off from the national trust.

4391
04:33:24,310 --> 04:33:31,790
If we don't hold a receive that by the time it goes to landmarks, we figure that's the more appropriate time to continue the item.

4392
04:33:31,790 --> 04:33:38,990
But for the purpose today, for the enclosure of the generator buildings, it's properly before you.

4393
04:33:42,000 --> 04:33:47,900
Okay. Any questions, Bridget? Is it a requirement for this property to have approval from National Professor?

4394
04:33:47,960 --> 04:33:49,140
Yes. Thank you very much.

4395
04:33:52,050 --> 04:33:52,930
This is next term.

4396
04:33:53,290 --> 04:33:53,730
Let's say no.

4397
04:33:54,070 --> 04:33:54,250
Ten.

4398
04:33:54,870 --> 04:33:56,310
Loop. Loop.

4399
04:33:57,350 --> 04:34:01,030
Actually, my guess my questions would be in the present or not.

4400
04:34:01,030 --> 04:34:03,590
Okay. I'll cue him out.

4401
04:34:12,210 --> 04:34:18,810
I think of this, which I could be wrong, almost like the helicopter pads so they need it now

4402
04:34:18,810 --> 04:34:23,570
because they need it for a secret service and all this extra protection that they have to have.

4403
04:34:24,130 --> 04:34:32,650
Do we have a right, unless it just looks cute, we want to keep it, to have it removed, or is there no purpose for that?

4404
04:34:34,530 --> 04:34:41,590
I'm not sure this day has ever conditioned and approval on something that is a critical infrastructure

4405
04:34:41,590 --> 04:34:49,210
for the operations of a facility that would generate power in the time, in the event.

4406
04:34:49,210 --> 04:34:51,770
I think it's the secret service needed, that's why it was asking.

4407
04:34:53,810 --> 04:35:00,950
I understand the Gartgate, and I understand the Helpad, which were directly related to a user.

4408
04:35:00,950 --> 04:35:17,150
This is more to do with the functioning of a club and the wattage of it to fully operate the expansive club needs to be a certain size generator and the code requires that that

4409
04:35:17,150 --> 04:35:19,990
size generator be in a building.

4410
04:35:21,840 --> 04:35:28,280
The building complies with all the setback requirements, the lot area and bulk requirements of the zoning code.

4411
04:35:28,280 --> 04:35:29,500
It's actually nice.

4412
04:35:30,400 --> 04:35:34,720
Yeah, it just made it sound in this letter that the reason is for them.

4413
04:35:36,380 --> 04:35:39,280
Yeah, it does say that.

4414
04:35:39,920 --> 04:35:43,280
Uninterrupted electrical power to maintain essential security systems,

4415
04:35:43,560 --> 04:35:46,780
including surveillance cameras, alarm zones, blah, blah, blah.

4416
04:35:47,120 --> 04:35:51,220
So it's all about the reason we need to approve this is because it's secret service.

4417
04:35:51,720 --> 04:35:56,880
That's why I was asking that question because when we had that issue with the helicopter or the gate,

4418
04:35:56,880 --> 04:36:02,040
We always said it had to be removed when that okay, and now I'm okay, that's it

4419
04:36:02,040 --> 04:36:05,300
I'm just gonna ask a quick question. I'm assuming this is a natural gas

4420
04:36:05,300 --> 04:36:08,060
I'm sorry do we know if this is natural gas

4421
04:36:08,060 --> 04:36:14,940
I don't know that yeah, I mean the only thing reason is that these diesel ones which I have to deal with all the time

4422
04:36:14,940 --> 04:36:19,120
And the bomb is they they are very very loud, and they smell and

4423
04:36:19,120 --> 04:36:21,680
And most people aren't using that anymore

4424
04:36:24,860 --> 04:36:28,460
I mean, you'd have to, okay, there's some old diesel ones around, but it would be

4425
04:36:28,460 --> 04:36:28,980
protopaint.

4426
04:36:29,040 --> 04:36:30,400
Who sells tank diesel?

4427
04:36:31,100 --> 04:36:33,480
The whole protein is, like, natural gas.

4428
04:36:33,680 --> 04:36:34,340
It's quite heavy.

4429
04:36:34,540 --> 04:36:35,900
But I'm saying, who sells it?

4430
04:36:36,200 --> 04:36:36,900
I just curious.

4431
04:36:37,340 --> 04:36:39,580
Am I assuming it's natural gas?

4432
04:36:39,780 --> 04:36:42,860
I think a lot of these questions would be better answered by the applicant.

4433
04:36:44,640 --> 04:36:48,960
So I'm happy to answer questions, but a lot of them are out of, are out of my knowledge of

4434
04:36:48,960 --> 04:36:54,100
No, I'm, and so I've queued them up, but I'm still available for any questions to staff.

4435
04:36:54,560 --> 04:36:55,540
Thank you, James.

4436
04:36:58,720 --> 04:36:59,320
Good evening, Mayor.

4437
04:36:59,320 --> 04:37:00,220
Members of the Council.

4438
04:37:00,440 --> 04:37:02,740
Thank you again, James, for the good presentation.

4439
04:37:03,220 --> 04:37:08,520
For the record Roger Ramden here, sitting in for Harvey Oyer with the Office of Shots and Bowen.

4440
04:37:08,620 --> 04:37:10,500
Here on behalf of the applicant, Marla, I will club.

4441
04:37:11,980 --> 04:37:16,020
I'll go through my presentation, but James did have some duplicate slides.

4442
04:37:16,720 --> 04:37:20,660
One of the things I'd like to touch on is that we are actually relocating

4443
04:37:21,380 --> 04:37:24,800
existing generators from the north end, more to the south end.

4444
04:37:25,000 --> 04:37:28,460
So we are taking it away next to the single-family homes

4445
04:37:28,460 --> 04:37:29,980
and bringing it all the way down next.

4446
04:37:32,280 --> 04:37:53,880
Secondly, as it relates to the question with the Secret Service meeting this, it's not only the Secret Service that needs to generate a just sort of functionality of the club in general, being in the state of Florida, and hurricanes and national disasters and so forth, this is something that is required, so we are indeed replacing and relocating existing generators that are on the site.

4447
04:37:57,160 --> 04:38:03,840
They currently exist on the north and there's temporary generators that are brought out in that permanent generators.

4448
04:38:04,800 --> 04:38:05,540
You just got it.

4449
04:38:05,740 --> 04:38:07,140
These will be permanent generators.

4450
04:38:09,140 --> 04:38:14,280
This again, this slide just basically shows where it's being relocated to, which James already covered.

4451
04:38:14,980 --> 04:38:16,840
Again, the floor plan.

4452
04:38:17,980 --> 04:38:20,740
It's not going to be visible from Southern Boulevard.

4453
04:38:21,720 --> 04:38:26,020
Again, the location, no landscaping to the members of changes.

4454
04:38:26,880 --> 04:38:31,500
Again, the landscaping and the location, as far as the architectural design,

4455
04:38:31,680 --> 04:38:35,160
it will be very similar to what exists today throughout Marilago.

4456
04:38:35,940 --> 04:38:36,700
And that was intentional.

4457
04:38:38,560 --> 04:38:41,320
Now, as far as compliance with the code, like James said,

4458
04:38:41,480 --> 04:38:44,700
we are before you for compliance, because it's a generator,

4459
04:38:45,280 --> 04:38:46,820
exceeding, I think, 120 kilowatts.

4460
04:38:46,820 --> 04:38:52,260
lots that prompts the site plan a review and that's what we're here for you today.

4461
04:38:52,440 --> 04:38:55,680
The request is for Section 134-329.

4462
04:38:55,900 --> 04:39:01,180
We believe we comply with all the requirements and along with that comes the modification

4463
04:39:01,180 --> 04:39:06,800
to the special exception, Section 134-229, we believe we comply with all the requirements.

4464
04:39:08,020 --> 04:39:09,460
And that does conclude my presentation.

4465
04:39:09,780 --> 04:39:12,040
I'll be happy to answer any questions that you may have.

4466
04:39:12,700 --> 04:39:12,720
Okay.

4467
04:39:12,720 --> 04:39:19,020
Yeah, I mean, oh, are we asking questions now?

4468
04:39:19,120 --> 04:39:19,640
Yes, it's a question.

4469
04:39:20,940 --> 04:39:22,740
The first, obviously it's a better location.

4470
04:39:22,960 --> 04:39:28,300
The question I have is, I mean, I'm blown away by the fact that with respect to security,

4471
04:39:28,400 --> 04:39:29,700
you don't have this kind of backup.

4472
04:39:30,020 --> 04:39:33,280
This is absolutely as I understand it from Harvey anyway.

4473
04:39:33,400 --> 04:39:37,980
It's essential to the security operation at Marlago.

4474
04:39:38,640 --> 04:39:39,780
We don't even have this.

4475
04:39:39,780 --> 04:39:46,800
So this basically, Rick, maybe you can do, you, they're, they're, they're on a temporary

4476
04:39:46,800 --> 04:39:47,240
basis.

4477
04:39:47,380 --> 04:39:47,860
Can not permanent.

4478
04:39:47,940 --> 04:39:49,340
They have a temporary temporary.

4479
04:39:49,440 --> 04:39:50,320
This is a permanent.

4480
04:39:50,420 --> 04:39:50,960
A permanent.

4481
04:39:51,380 --> 04:39:54,060
President of the United States, we're lying on something temporary.

4482
04:39:54,240 --> 04:39:54,680
Absolutely.

4483
04:39:55,380 --> 04:39:55,920
That's ridiculous.

4484
04:39:56,340 --> 04:39:59,240
Second thing is, soundproofing.

4485
04:39:59,960 --> 04:40:06,820
So are you going to be meeting the 65 DBA standard that we have here in the town

4486
04:40:06,820 --> 04:40:07,300
Palm Beach?

4487
04:40:07,580 --> 04:40:09,260
They'll be required to as part of the permit.

4488
04:40:09,260 --> 04:40:13,040
And that's the whole reason these larger generators are placed inside of a building.

4489
04:40:14,460 --> 04:40:14,900
Got it.

4490
04:40:15,060 --> 04:40:15,380
Thank you.

4491
04:40:15,480 --> 04:40:16,300
Your answer to my question.

4492
04:40:16,420 --> 04:40:18,780
The third one is with respect to the National Trust.

4493
04:40:20,540 --> 04:40:25,680
I understand that the National Trust is suing the President about the ballroom.

4494
04:40:26,020 --> 04:40:31,760
Is that, is that have anything to do with the hold up in the approval from the National Trust on this particular project?

4495
04:40:32,840 --> 04:40:33,060
No.

4496
04:40:33,180 --> 04:40:33,620
It doesn't.

4497
04:40:34,080 --> 04:40:37,060
And we do have a preliminary approval of the building.

4498
04:40:37,060 --> 04:40:45,660
It's just they want a little bit more landscaping for the project and so they're working with the landscape architect on where to place this extra landscape.

4499
04:40:45,800 --> 04:40:47,700
Okay, so that is not a barrier after all.

4500
04:40:47,740 --> 04:40:55,580
The building is technically approved and we have that in an email, but we don't have the letter until she finalizes the review of the landscaping with Shawn.

4501
04:40:56,580 --> 04:41:04,380
I will say that the picture we just saw of this wearish building looked idyllic with the mountains and trees and everything.

4502
04:41:04,400 --> 04:41:06,140
I'd like to live there as a matter of fact.

4503
04:41:06,140 --> 04:41:09,280
The President's instructions were to make it beautiful.

4504
04:41:10,240 --> 04:41:12,900
Mr. President does do a good job with his properties.

4505
04:41:13,060 --> 04:41:14,200
I'll agree to that.

4506
04:41:14,460 --> 04:41:17,860
I apologize, Rick Gonzalez, REG Architects,

4507
04:41:18,000 --> 04:41:19,220
120 South Olive.

4508
04:41:20,520 --> 04:41:21,340
We knew who he was.

4509
04:41:21,520 --> 04:41:24,310
Did you want to ask your question about it?

4510
04:41:24,810 --> 04:41:29,450
Do you know, Mr. Gonzalez, whether it's a natural gas generator?

4511
04:41:29,570 --> 04:41:30,530
I believe so, yes.

4512
04:41:30,950 --> 04:41:32,710
Okay, because you know, the old diesel ones,

4513
04:41:32,990 --> 04:41:34,290
when they go off, you wouldn't say.

4514
04:41:34,290 --> 04:41:35,110
They're very loud.

4515
04:41:35,290 --> 04:41:36,190
They also smell.

4516
04:41:36,190 --> 04:41:41,710
Yes, and this will have six methods of controlling the sound and we're shooting for 50 dBs

4517
04:41:41,710 --> 04:41:44,910
You had asked me earlier today. The code is 65

4518
04:41:44,910 --> 04:41:50,650
So it's a very nice one. We're going to try to hit 50 55 and one other thing

4519
04:41:50,650 --> 04:41:53,110
I just think it's good for the record

4520
04:41:53,110 --> 04:41:58,990
Where you're moving it further away from the adjacent homes than the temporary ones are that's correct

4521
04:41:58,990 --> 04:42:00,730
So that's also a good thing

4522
04:42:00,730 --> 04:42:03,890
And it's enclosed and it's natural gas

4523
04:42:03,890 --> 04:42:04,630
Yes.

4524
04:42:04,630 --> 04:42:05,130
Do you want to go?

4525
04:42:05,850 --> 04:42:08,490
Well, though, though, there's some Donnie Scott abbreviation.

4526
04:42:09,470 --> 04:42:15,250
My question is just going to be Rick, that your assumption you are the expert in historic

4527
04:42:15,250 --> 04:42:20,130
preservation that the National Trust is going to give this through and your answer was

4528
04:42:20,130 --> 04:42:22,310
yes, as soon as you put some more landscaping in.

4529
04:42:22,630 --> 04:42:24,030
Yes, we're very close to that.

4530
04:42:24,050 --> 04:42:29,150
And we're getting a, because where they wanted to put the landscaping would block some critical

4531
04:42:29,150 --> 04:42:30,550
views for the Secret Service.

4532
04:42:30,550 --> 04:42:36,010
So we're just waiting to get a memo from Secret Service to tell them can we put that it's only a little bit of it

4533
04:42:36,010 --> 04:42:42,670
It's landscaping because where the building is they want us to replace that amount of landscaping because it's very dense somewhere else

4534
04:42:42,670 --> 04:42:45,370
But they picked this pot that's not good for the Secret Service, right?

4535
04:42:45,510 --> 04:42:48,690
So once we get the letter from the Secret Service we'll have this result

4536
04:42:48,690 --> 04:42:49,550
Okay, thanks

4537
04:42:51,370 --> 04:42:52,250
Okay, Bridget

4538
04:42:52,250 --> 04:42:54,570
And Ted, you had mentioned that it's a requirement

4539
04:42:54,570 --> 04:42:57,230
I don't think it's a requirement for the club to have a generator

4540
04:42:57,230 --> 04:43:00,730
But I get it from the US. I get it from the US. I get it from the US. I get it from the US.

4541
04:43:01,110 --> 04:43:07,530
We don't have to you know over think. Rick would you please do me a favor if they still have the red

4542
04:43:07,530 --> 04:43:13,830
Maltz on the interior all over their garden beds would you have them tell them remind them that it's to be brown.

4543
04:43:14,330 --> 04:43:18,190
They can't use the mulch that is dyed, which I know they like red.

4544
04:43:18,990 --> 04:43:21,590
But it's no boy and it's bad for their bad.

4545
04:43:21,850 --> 04:43:23,250
It's bad. It's bad.

4546
04:43:23,250 --> 04:43:29,110
there. Okay. So yeah, and that's the black two is also died. Well, use like

4547
04:43:29,110 --> 04:43:32,490
stuff for the council. Thank you. Thank you. Please and thank you.

4548
04:43:33,130 --> 04:43:36,310
There we go. Okay. All right.

4549
04:43:36,490 --> 04:43:37,170
What's your tag?

4550
04:43:37,430 --> 04:43:40,310
That was just going to make a motion. If that. Yeah. Go for it. Okay.

4551
04:43:40,590 --> 04:43:43,450
Okay. I will move that special exception number.

4552
04:43:44,090 --> 04:43:52,470
The land dash 26, dash 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 6, and site plan review of the same number be approved.

4553
04:43:52,550 --> 04:44:01,370
As set applications meet the criteria set forth in sections 134, dash 229, and 134, dash 329 respectively of the town code.

4554
04:44:01,670 --> 04:44:07,050
And finding that the approval of the site plan will not adversely affect the public interest that also only requirements governing the use of the map.

4555
04:44:07,050 --> 04:44:13,570
And the satisfactory provision and arrangement has been made concerning items 1 through 11 of Section 134-329.

4556
04:44:14,190 --> 04:44:19,570
And conditioned on LPC approval and the letter from the National Trust.

4557
04:44:23,220 --> 04:44:24,280
Mr. Cooney?

4558
04:44:25,000 --> 04:44:25,580
Mr. Grampton?

4559
04:44:25,660 --> 04:44:26,240
Yes.

4560
04:44:27,420 --> 04:44:28,040
Ms. Moran?

4561
04:44:28,400 --> 04:44:28,560
Yes.

4562
04:44:28,860 --> 04:44:29,180
Ms. Lindsay.

4563
04:44:29,560 --> 04:44:29,880
Yes.

4564
04:44:30,720 --> 04:44:31,340
Thank you, gentlemen.

4565
04:44:33,180 --> 04:44:33,700
Thank you.

4566
04:44:34,300 --> 04:44:34,540
Okay.

4567
04:44:35,720 --> 04:44:37,200
So just the ordinances, guys.

4568
04:44:37,200 --> 04:44:44,700
Let's go. We're first 27. I think we deferred. I think we're not doing that today. We're set it back. 27.2, right?

4569
04:44:45,200 --> 04:44:55,520
27.2 would be the first ordinance on first reading. Okay. Go ahead, Jim ordinance 7. 2026 an ordinance of the town council of the town of Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida.

4570
04:44:55,520 --> 04:44:59,960
I'm ending chapter 134, zoning at Article 9 off Street Parking and Loading to B-

4571
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:11,940
Motion 2 off-street parking by amending Section 134-2175 to remove the exemption of landmark commercially-zone buildings from providing additional required off-street parking.

4572
04:45:11,940 --> 04:45:18,220
If increased occupancy or use is created by interior building improvement with great more grossly

4573
04:45:18,220 --> 04:45:26,440
subalaria, by deleting an isentrity 1342175E, providing for suburability, providing for the

4574
04:45:26,440 --> 04:45:31,240
repeal of ordinances and conflict, providing for codification, providing an effective date.

4575
04:45:35,460 --> 04:45:43,280
Well, shall we? Well, I'd love a comment first of okay, is anyone have any public comment on this?

4576
04:45:43,560 --> 04:45:53,090
No, now we can go ahead move approval of second ordinance seven to twenty seven dash two or two six

4577
04:45:54,130 --> 04:45:58,070
Miss Moran. Yes, Mr. Campton, Mr. Sairskog. Yes,

4578
04:46:06,790 --> 04:46:06,850
Mr.

4579
04:46:06,850 --> 04:46:10,270
So we go to ordinance 9, 2026.

4580
04:46:10,730 --> 04:46:14,330
This is the pedestrian access stairs and ramps to the beach.

4581
04:46:14,830 --> 04:46:18,410
An ordinance of the town council of the town of Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida, a

4582
04:46:18,410 --> 04:46:27,870
many chapter 134 zoning by a many article eight supplementary district regulations, division six, structures of division one.

4583
04:46:27,870 --> 04:46:36,570
In general, at section 134, 1703 reserved to provide regulations for pedestrian access stairs and ramps to the ocean.

4584
04:46:36,570 --> 04:46:41,470
and prompt beach, providing for the repeal of ordinances and conflict, providing for

4585
04:46:41,470 --> 04:46:44,570
codification and providing an effective date.

4586
04:46:45,190 --> 04:46:46,230
Blue approval.

4587
04:46:48,450 --> 04:46:51,430
Anyone from the public want to speak about this?

4588
04:46:51,610 --> 04:46:52,050
Second?

4589
04:46:54,090 --> 04:46:54,770
Mr. Crampton.

4590
04:46:54,830 --> 04:46:55,750
Ms. Moran?

4591
04:46:56,170 --> 04:46:56,250
Yes.

4592
04:46:56,250 --> 04:46:56,830
Ms. Areska?

4593
04:46:56,930 --> 04:46:57,370
Yes.

4594
04:46:57,530 --> 04:46:58,150
Mr. Crampton.

4595
04:46:59,190 --> 04:46:59,450
Yes.

4596
04:47:00,270 --> 04:47:00,990
Excuse me, Kelly.

4597
04:47:01,070 --> 04:47:02,930
I think I said the made my motion.

4598
04:47:03,170 --> 04:47:03,670
That's 27.

4599
04:47:03,890 --> 04:47:04,490
It should be 7.

4600
04:47:04,490 --> 04:47:07,690
Can you just correct that number?

4601
04:47:08,630 --> 04:47:08,710
Yes.

4602
04:47:09,070 --> 04:47:11,530
You made it for ordinance 7, 2026.

4603
04:47:12,050 --> 04:47:12,390
Yes, ma'am.

4604
04:47:13,870 --> 04:47:14,150
Okay.

4605
04:47:14,230 --> 04:47:17,230
Next would be ordinance 10-2026.

4606
04:47:17,450 --> 04:47:20,090
This is the ordinance on the C walls.

4607
04:47:20,530 --> 04:47:23,830
An ordinance of the Town Council of the Town of Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida,

4608
04:47:23,970 --> 04:47:27,270
and Mending Chapter 62, Marine Structures, Article 2,

4609
04:47:27,270 --> 04:47:33,710
bulkheads, C-walls, and groins on Atlantic Ocean at Section 62-37.

4610
04:47:34,470 --> 04:47:39,490
Bulkheads groins to accord with plat, variances, and the Mending Chapter 134,

4611
04:47:39,570 --> 04:47:45,190
zoning by a Mending Article 8 Supplementary District Regulations, Division 6 Structures.

4612
04:47:45,290 --> 04:47:52,450
Subdivision 1 at General at Section 134-1701 Structures East of the Ocean

4613
04:47:52,450 --> 04:47:58,690
bulk headline to update the permitted location of new and reconstructed ocean sea walls.

4614
04:47:59,330 --> 04:48:02,950
Providing for severability, providing for the repeal of ordinances and conflict, providing

4615
04:48:02,950 --> 04:48:06,510
for codification, and providing an effective date.

4616
04:48:06,810 --> 04:48:08,270
Any public comment?

4617
04:48:09,070 --> 04:48:09,810
Seeing none.

4618
04:48:10,250 --> 04:48:13,770
Move approval of ordinance 10-2026.

4619
04:48:15,650 --> 04:48:16,210
The Sarah Scott?

4620
04:48:16,610 --> 04:48:17,170
Mr. Cooney?

4621
04:48:17,650 --> 04:48:17,770
Yes.

4622
04:48:17,910 --> 04:48:19,770
Mr. Krampton?

4623
04:48:19,790 --> 04:48:20,350
Yes.

4624
04:48:20,350 --> 04:48:27,550
Yes. Then we have second reading of two ordinances. The first one is Ordnance 3-2026, an

4625
04:48:27,550 --> 04:48:30,910
Ordnance of the Town Council of the Town of Palm Beach, Palm Beach County, Florida, a

4626
04:48:30,910 --> 04:48:38,030
many chapter 134 zoning. Section 134 2 definitions and rules of construction. Section 134

4627
04:48:38,030 --> 04:48:44,770
1608. To amend basement regulations to recognize flood vents and other basement wall

4628
04:48:44,770 --> 04:48:46,830
penetrations, providing for

4629
04:48:46,830 --> 04:48:48,090
stability, providing for the

4630
04:48:48,090 --> 04:48:49,290
repeal of ordinances and

4631
04:48:49,290 --> 04:48:50,690
conflict, providing for

4632
04:48:50,690 --> 04:48:51,870
codification and providing

4633
04:48:51,870 --> 04:48:53,150
an effective date.

4634
04:48:53,590 --> 04:48:54,850
Any public comments?

4635
04:48:56,010 --> 04:48:56,390
Seeing none?

4636
04:48:56,670 --> 04:48:57,050
Have a motion.

4637
04:48:58,010 --> 04:48:59,230
Move approval.

4638
04:48:59,770 --> 04:49:02,650
1, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 6.

4639
04:49:03,770 --> 04:49:04,410
Ms. Marin?

4640
04:49:04,890 --> 04:49:05,070
Yes.

4641
04:49:05,270 --> 04:49:05,670
Mr. Coney?

4642
04:49:06,230 --> 04:49:06,270
Yes.

4643
04:49:06,270 --> 04:49:08,410
Mr. Crampton?

4644
04:49:08,650 --> 04:49:09,510
Ms. Lindsey?

4645
04:49:11,250 --> 04:49:12,770
And the final ordinance on

4646
04:49:12,770 --> 04:49:18,310
meeting deals with the RBE front side front and rear setback shift to five feet.

4647
04:49:18,670 --> 04:49:22,850
This is ordinance 4, 20, 26 and ordinance of the town council of the town of Palm Beach,

4648
04:49:23,070 --> 04:49:31,350
Palm Beach, County, Florida, a menning chapter 134 zoning, Article 6 District Regulations Division 4,

4649
04:49:31,450 --> 04:49:39,130
RBE low density residential district section 134, 893, lot yard and area requirements generally.

4650
04:49:39,130 --> 04:49:52,950
Subsections B, five, front yard and B, nine, rear yard, thereby adding criteria for the granting of reduced front yard setbacks in the RV low density residential district, providing for

4651
04:49:52,950 --> 04:49:57,670
of ability providing for the repeal of ordinances and conflict, providing for codification

4652
04:49:57,670 --> 04:49:59,510
and providing an effective date.

4653
04:49:59,730 --> 04:50:03,110
And I need a discussion on this, just see all of them.

4654
04:50:03,410 --> 04:50:05,410
Okay, first, any public comment?

4655
04:50:06,610 --> 04:50:07,210
Seeing none.

4656
04:50:07,550 --> 04:50:08,010
Okay, Julie.

4657
04:50:09,070 --> 04:50:15,910
So after learning that the reason there was a fourth or three vote on this particular ordinance

4658
04:50:15,910 --> 04:50:21,170
that the planning and zoning commission, it was because it's primarily used now for one

4659
04:50:21,170 --> 04:50:29,390
stories, it's not used very often, but once you open the door for two stories with it

4660
04:50:29,390 --> 04:50:34,410
set back, there was a feeling that they could really increase and I agree with that.

4661
04:50:34,590 --> 04:50:41,730
And I'd rather see a buffer on this one and make a two-story come as a variance to us.

4662
04:50:42,110 --> 04:50:47,420
Because I think yes, our com can look at it, yes, landmarks can look at it, but we have

4663
04:50:47,420 --> 04:50:52,620
There are times when they have said yes and it's come before us and we have said bring the

4664
04:50:52,620 --> 04:50:57,420
height down or set it back farther because neighbors come and I think neighbors should

4665
04:50:57,420 --> 04:51:04,000
have two bites of the apple of something that could really change their privacy, the

4666
04:51:04,000 --> 04:51:05,260
setbacks, the neighborhood.

4667
04:51:06,160 --> 04:51:11,720
So I would just ask the council if on this particular one you would be comfortable with

4668
04:51:11,720 --> 04:51:14,760
when it's a two-store. When it's a one-store it doesn't really matter.

4669
04:51:14,760 --> 04:51:27,100
But when it's a two story, it can become so much also more massive from the street and I think neighbors really have a right to have two bytes of that apple and for us all to look at it.

4670
04:51:27,220 --> 04:51:38,440
So I would just ask you if you would consider not passing this in its current form, but to add that it would be a variance if you're going to do a two story.

4671
04:51:39,120 --> 04:51:45,600
because remember you, you can go forward five feet and open up five feet in the back,

4672
04:51:45,800 --> 04:51:48,980
but that coming forward on the second story could be a real issue.

4673
04:51:49,600 --> 04:51:51,500
I've got some credit. Bridget?

4674
04:51:51,980 --> 04:51:58,080
Yeah, so I listened to P&Z, and I think it was her name, Miss LaChance.

4675
04:51:59,280 --> 04:51:59,760
Carol, okay.

4676
04:51:59,860 --> 04:52:00,440
It looked great.

4677
04:52:00,540 --> 04:52:01,600
Thank you very much.

4678
04:52:01,660 --> 04:52:03,700
And I appreciated what she said.

4679
04:52:03,960 --> 04:52:06,140
It was after it had already come to us.

4680
04:52:06,140 --> 04:52:11,280
this was the most recent P&C, the Australian day before yesterday, whatever, and I appreciate

4681
04:52:11,280 --> 04:52:16,820
her comments, but I really remember a robust discussion that we had here allowing, giving

4682
04:52:16,820 --> 04:52:24,200
that authority, I think what we wanted to do was provide our calm with enough flexibility

4683
04:52:24,200 --> 04:52:29,980
in the code to make something more interesting. I am willing to stand by that decision because

4684
04:52:30,000 --> 04:52:33,020
I think that our comments were really, really good at their job.

4685
04:52:34,360 --> 04:52:38,700
And I think that the goal was to allow architecture to be more interesting.

4686
04:52:39,420 --> 04:52:44,540
And I recall discussion that James had said it would be the wedding cake effect.

4687
04:52:45,360 --> 04:52:48,820
And I think that this kind of prevents that.

4688
04:52:49,300 --> 04:52:55,220
If we put guardrails on it, everybody's just going to do one story, five foot back to story.

4689
04:52:56,220 --> 04:52:57,440
Is that a good look though?

4690
04:52:57,440 --> 04:53:26,800
Yeah. Sometimes it's not. I would like the, I would like, I would like, I'd like providing more flexibility where, where we can. That's just my thought. No. Yeah. I was staff. Would you like to comment on that? I'd love to. So again, bigger picture. Thank you again for having us even examined this caveat in the RB district that I want to,

4691
04:53:26,800 --> 04:53:30,140
But under score was as a right.

4692
04:53:30,960 --> 04:53:37,820
What we've done is created specific criteria and no longer allow that as a matter of

4693
04:53:37,820 --> 04:53:47,600
right for our come to review and be able to say no and I appreciate that and I appreciate

4694
04:53:47,600 --> 04:53:48,060
that.

4695
04:53:48,380 --> 04:53:52,700
And me and I Frederick Midner, we went and we pulled building permit records or we presented

4696
04:53:52,700 --> 04:54:00,220
to you, all of the findings where the front end was reduced and in some streets, it doesn't

4697
04:54:00,220 --> 04:54:07,560
work. And that's what's so important that we now have given our come the four criteria or

4698
04:54:07,560 --> 04:54:14,000
landmarks that the four criteria that they have to meet. And to the point about the variance,

4699
04:54:14,520 --> 04:54:19,840
right now they can encroach five. And I'd like to add the variance to this.

4700
04:54:21,060 --> 04:54:35,640
So I think that would be making the current zoning more restrictive, because right now it allows, as a matter of right, so I'd have to check with Joanne about that.

4701
04:54:35,640 --> 04:54:42,980
But right now, it moves kind of the one-story plane can move and the two-story plane can move.

4702
04:54:44,040 --> 04:54:46,600
And we provided the two options.

4703
04:54:47,560 --> 04:54:53,300
And the discussion was that they were the Harkham reviewed in the co-planar.

4704
04:54:53,380 --> 04:54:58,940
But again, just a little back story on in the bigger pictures that we did create guardrails,

4705
04:54:59,260 --> 04:55:00,420
where previously there were not.

4706
04:55:00,420 --> 04:55:02,740
No, and I appreciate that.

4707
04:55:03,500 --> 04:55:05,040
So, um, two of those, sorry.

4708
04:55:05,200 --> 04:55:05,420
Okay.

4709
04:55:05,820 --> 04:55:06,900
Let's go in order.

4710
04:55:08,120 --> 04:55:08,200
Yeah.

4711
04:55:08,400 --> 04:55:08,680
No, sir.

4712
04:55:08,980 --> 04:55:13,260
So, right now, if we don't pass it, they have it as right, and they could.

4713
04:55:15,490 --> 04:55:16,890
One story and two story.

4714
04:55:17,830 --> 04:55:20,390
Well, I mean, I guess I'd rather pass it in.

4715
04:55:20,650 --> 04:55:21,350
And then they would.

4716
04:55:21,530 --> 04:55:24,630
Would have some guardrails, and somebody would look at it.

4717
04:55:24,650 --> 04:55:27,250
Somebody would have the opportunity to look at it right now.

4718
04:55:27,390 --> 04:55:28,530
They can just do it.

4719
04:55:28,770 --> 04:55:29,050
Right.

4720
04:55:29,050 --> 04:55:34,430
Well, and I have in LPC but they can't do it. God bless you. They can't do a second story right now

4721
04:55:35,210 --> 04:55:37,390
Yeah, I think I can't well

4722
04:55:38,070 --> 04:55:40,190
I kind of wish we had done that at my house

4723
04:55:41,710 --> 04:55:46,230
Sorry, I would have liked to have had a bigger backyard. So

4724
04:55:46,850 --> 04:55:48,630
You have a nice big backyard

4725
04:55:53,050 --> 04:55:56,590
All right, okay, I agree with the president and with the mayor

4726
04:55:57,670 --> 04:56:09,190
And with Bobby, I mean, not only that, but everybody in the street is going to be notified and either one of the organization's landmarks for our Congress going to have to issue a design waiver.

4727
04:56:09,290 --> 04:56:16,130
They're going to look at it and basically get their nose down into the dirt and figure out what's going on on that particular street.

4728
04:56:16,630 --> 04:56:23,490
And that kind of flexibility, as you pointed out, is valuable. We don't need a cookie cutter front if we could get something more attractive.

4729
04:56:23,490 --> 04:56:28,770
And that's up to our column or landmarks that I think that could trust them that's right three

4730
04:56:28,770 --> 04:56:32,750
Refers we revisited this and we made it now part of the notice

4731
04:56:32,750 --> 04:56:40,310
We made it part of the a separate motion to be made by our com so they're going to be looking that

4732
04:56:40,310 --> 04:56:45,850
Looking at that front encroachment very critically with the neighborhood analysis supplied

4733
04:56:45,850 --> 04:56:48,890
Burt and supply by the applicant right

4734
04:56:48,890 --> 04:56:50,990
So I'll move approval of the

4735
04:56:50,990 --> 04:56:55,090
No, no, we stopped. I'm sorry. I'm going to Julie. Okay. I think Donnie. Oh, no, no, no.

4736
04:56:55,810 --> 04:57:01,510
So I was just going to say that it was Jeff Smith who brought this to me and talked about it.

4737
04:57:01,690 --> 04:57:05,330
It wasn't didn't come out of my issues. It came out of Jeff's.

4738
04:57:05,410 --> 04:57:08,150
And as an architect, he thought it'd go way all together.

4739
04:57:08,770 --> 04:57:12,650
So I understand that you want to pass this today and I got that.

4740
04:57:13,070 --> 04:57:16,350
I still think it should come to counsel as well, even if it's not a variance.

4741
04:57:16,350 --> 04:57:24,670
just that it comes to us as a site plan or it comes to us whatever it is. So, I think it should be tweaked.

4742
04:57:25,930 --> 04:57:31,350
I don't know. I mean, you did a survey of the architects and the architects kind of split in half, as I recall.

4743
04:57:31,610 --> 04:57:32,770
You asked, asked our architect.

4744
04:57:32,790 --> 04:57:39,070
Well, Jeff is our chairman of Arkham and felt it should be just gotten rid of them.

4745
04:57:39,070 --> 04:57:46,660
Okay, I mean you can't you can't make it a variance because no, I see one 80s so you can't make it

4746
04:57:47,130 --> 04:57:50,090
Not much more restrictive or but I mean I can't become the council

4747
04:57:50,970 --> 04:57:58,630
So here's the deal in my opinion. I'm not on our come for a reason. That's not you know, I'm not an architect. I'm uncomfortable

4748
04:58:01,030 --> 04:58:07,630
Reviewing design in that amount of detail. That's why we have our come so I'm perfectly happy leaving it there

4749
04:58:08,210 --> 04:58:27,170
I don't think it should be a variance at all, and I think that it offers tracking so that we can prevent these houses from, you know, five feet in the front, five feet in the back, as we discussed, you know, a few months ago, I like this the way it is, the way it's presented, and that's my thought.

4750
04:58:27,170 --> 04:58:28,370
And I like the notification.

4751
04:58:28,930 --> 04:58:30,570
Yeah, I mean, that is a case that says it's better.

4752
04:58:30,890 --> 04:58:34,970
Carol, the case is very smart and she makes good, good suggestions, but I think in

4753
04:58:34,970 --> 04:58:37,930
this case, we take the ordinance as it is.

4754
04:58:38,630 --> 04:58:44,590
There's plenty of safeguards in it, and it provides that flexibility, and it keeps us,

4755
04:58:44,770 --> 04:58:46,190
I mean, we don't need all the bureaucracy.

4756
04:58:46,490 --> 04:58:50,290
It keeps us out of a decision, which is, I think, fairly routine.

4757
04:58:50,770 --> 04:58:51,810
Okay, and Ted.

4758
04:58:52,350 --> 04:58:53,150
I'll just make a motion.

4759
04:58:53,390 --> 04:58:53,930
Go ahead.

4760
04:58:54,790 --> 04:58:56,530
We've already read it, right, try and.

4761
04:58:56,530 --> 04:59:01,690
Okay, so I'll move that ordinance number 4-2026 be approved on second reading.

4762
04:59:01,690 --> 04:59:01,970
Second.

4763
04:59:03,170 --> 04:59:03,670
Mr. Cunney.

4764
04:59:04,250 --> 04:59:04,910
Mr. Cranpton.

4765
04:59:04,990 --> 04:59:06,050
Mr. Stog?

4766
04:59:06,530 --> 04:59:06,590
No.

4767
04:59:07,270 --> 04:59:07,790
Ms. Moran?

4768
04:59:07,990 --> 04:59:08,350
Yes.

4769
04:59:08,690 --> 04:59:08,990
Ms. Lindsey.

4770
04:59:09,590 --> 04:59:11,990
I have passes four to one.

4771
04:59:12,450 --> 04:59:12,630
Okay.

4772
04:59:13,150 --> 04:59:15,550
We have one, two.

4773
04:59:15,550 --> 04:59:16,210
Two more items.

4774
04:59:16,270 --> 04:59:17,990
Two waivers to go.

4775
04:59:18,230 --> 04:59:18,630
So we'll start.

4776
04:59:18,750 --> 04:59:20,890
This year's the gentleman of a sitting here all day.

4777
04:59:21,270 --> 04:59:24,710
So we'll start with 320 Chilean Avenue number one.

4778
04:59:25,310 --> 04:59:30,570
This is a renovation of a condominium unit, BNA designed builders and cooperated and made

4779
04:59:30,570 --> 04:59:31,190
this request.

4780
04:59:31,270 --> 04:59:37,910
They're asking for 231 days, extension with all work to be completed by October 31st of

4781
04:59:37,910 --> 04:59:38,650
this year.

4782
04:59:38,670 --> 04:59:42,630
Actually, the original permit has been expired for a while.

4783
04:59:44,770 --> 04:59:46,570
And have you been sworn in?

4784
04:59:46,810 --> 04:59:46,850
Sir?

4785
04:59:47,390 --> 04:59:47,590
Okay.

4786
04:59:48,430 --> 04:59:53,390
If you come up to the microphone and if there's anybody else that needs to be sworn in, if you

4787
04:59:53,390 --> 04:59:59,050
time to speak today. Please stand a raise your right hand. Be sworn in. Do you swear or

4788
04:59:59,050 --> 04:59:59,970
affirm that the testimony would be?

4789
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:03,280
Sure, about to give us the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. So how do you go?

4790
05:00:03,580 --> 05:00:07,080
I do. Just state your name into the microphone.

4791
05:00:07,200 --> 05:00:10,980
My name is Brian Chironoski. I'm being a design builders. Where are you?

4792
05:00:10,980 --> 05:00:19,260
Good. So actually, I haven't had an extension once before, which is good through March 16th.

4793
05:00:19,360 --> 05:00:20,940
I believe it's not currently expired.

4794
05:00:22,600 --> 05:00:22,760
Why?

4795
05:00:23,220 --> 05:00:28,840
My mistake. I didn't read the second paragraph. You're absolutely correct. It expires March 14th.

4796
05:00:28,840 --> 05:00:30,200
Thank you.

4797
05:00:30,220 --> 05:00:30,720
Thank you.

4798
05:00:30,720 --> 05:00:31,500
That's correct.

4799
05:00:33,360 --> 05:00:39,360
So I'm here asking, you know, the delays in my project aren't necessarily tied to the

4800
05:00:39,360 --> 05:00:42,300
permanent amassing to extend today, as much as they are.

4801
05:00:42,500 --> 05:00:45,220
This project has evolved into a whole building project.

4802
05:00:45,620 --> 05:00:51,440
Not only do I have the permanent amassing to extend today, but I have three other residential

4803
05:00:51,440 --> 05:00:53,220
alterations for upstairs units.

4804
05:00:53,220 --> 05:01:01,660
We have a roofing permit, we have a electrical switch gear replacement permit open because there was

4805
05:01:01,660 --> 05:01:03,780
a assessment with all the work that we're doing downstairs.

4806
05:01:05,040 --> 05:01:11,960
The unit's upstairs really needed some repair and some requests at the owner to be done.

4807
05:01:12,840 --> 05:01:17,820
And it just, for my scheduling standpoint, made sense to do some of that work ahead of the

4808
05:01:17,820 --> 05:01:19,240
other work that we're doing downstairs.

4809
05:01:19,240 --> 05:01:24,580
There are some plumbing changes that needed to tie in to building infrastructure that existed downstairs.

4810
05:01:25,200 --> 05:01:26,360
For a ceiling is replaced up.

4811
05:01:27,080 --> 05:01:31,180
There was original windows and one of the unit sub-stairs which has since been replaced.

4812
05:01:31,860 --> 05:01:35,280
There were windows replaced but not impact in a couple other units.

4813
05:01:35,480 --> 05:01:40,820
We've since replaced all the units except for one which is owned by another owner.

4814
05:01:41,300 --> 05:01:42,580
But I believe we'll come on board.

4815
05:01:42,880 --> 05:01:46,580
We'll be replaced at some point kind of closing the entire building envelope.

4816
05:01:47,460 --> 05:01:55,460
The roof, which I mentioned is currently permitted, the flat section was replaced at some point in the recent past.

4817
05:01:55,900 --> 05:02:00,080
I don't know that the man-served, which is what was permitted by one of my subs now, has ever been replaced.

4818
05:02:01,200 --> 05:02:04,900
At least not a long time, I would say when it was last 25 to 30 years.

4819
05:02:05,800 --> 05:02:14,360
So the addition of that work and the necessity for me to schedule that work as one project, not as the permit I'm just asking to extend today,

4820
05:02:14,860 --> 05:02:19,540
has delayed that, but I believe in the time that I'm asking for all those can be brought

4821
05:02:19,540 --> 05:02:19,900
at board.

4822
05:02:21,740 --> 05:02:26,380
And like I said, I have five other permits right now that aren't in jeopardy of being

4823
05:02:26,380 --> 05:02:28,640
expired at the same address currently.

4824
05:02:31,540 --> 05:02:33,140
These are all different owners, correct?

4825
05:02:34,720 --> 05:02:36,000
So, is this the one with a partner?

4826
05:02:36,340 --> 05:02:38,640
Is this the one with a skinny pool that we have?

4827
05:02:38,900 --> 05:02:39,160
Yes, yes.

4828
05:02:39,160 --> 05:02:39,720
There you go.

4829
05:02:40,180 --> 05:02:41,220
Those people, I'm sorry.

4830
05:02:41,220 --> 05:02:47,460
There's five units in total two owners for those five units.

4831
05:02:48,300 --> 05:02:50,240
The owner of most of them are here today.

4832
05:02:52,020 --> 05:02:53,740
But I thought you weren't coming back.

4833
05:02:54,500 --> 05:02:57,140
Yeah, well, that's until they had to do the upstairs units.

4834
05:03:00,160 --> 05:03:01,580
Why are they doing the downstairs units?

4835
05:03:01,620 --> 05:03:03,540
The downstairs is, you know.

4836
05:03:03,600 --> 05:03:04,420
Now they're doing them all.

4837
05:03:04,440 --> 05:03:07,700
80% or, in fact, you know, another constraint too is

4838
05:03:07,700 --> 05:03:10,360
we have another owner there who's been great

4839
05:03:10,360 --> 05:03:12,240
that currently lives there, you know,

4840
05:03:12,260 --> 05:03:13,900
Yazimality and currently live there,

4841
05:03:14,540 --> 05:03:16,280
and that combination of the bottom,

4842
05:03:16,940 --> 05:03:19,140
greatly interrupts their day-to-day life.

4843
05:03:19,340 --> 05:03:21,100
So again, the scheduling of everything

4844
05:03:21,100 --> 05:03:24,640
to minimize that, you know, disruption to them

4845
05:03:24,640 --> 05:03:27,240
has kind of been a priority in how this project is ranked.

4846
05:03:32,440 --> 05:03:35,620
To over 31st, I believe, is the date that I has for this.

4847
05:03:35,920 --> 05:03:38,560
I know, but when is the expiration date

4848
05:03:38,560 --> 05:03:39,900
of your other open permits?

4849
05:03:40,440 --> 05:03:41,640
I don't have that at the time.

4850
05:03:41,680 --> 05:03:43,500
I don't think any of them are before that date, though.

4851
05:03:45,720 --> 05:03:48,220
So we'll be seeing you again after October.

4852
05:03:48,700 --> 05:03:52,040
I mean, that majority of the work on those other permits has been done.

4853
05:03:52,700 --> 05:03:58,620
I just don't want to, you know, frustrate the neighbors any longer than the longest permit you already have open.

4854
05:03:59,280 --> 05:04:00,600
That's nice to you.

4855
05:04:01,280 --> 05:04:04,980
The, I don't know which of these are the longest to tell you the truth.

4856
05:04:05,200 --> 05:04:06,680
I'm going back and looking at each individual one.

4857
05:04:07,720 --> 05:04:07,760
All right.

4858
05:04:07,960 --> 05:04:11,420
Well, I'm going to ask for public comment just before we go to a motion.

4859
05:04:11,420 --> 05:04:16,520
Is there anybody who would like to speak on this particular extension?

4860
05:04:18,620 --> 05:04:20,260
Come on up to this side, sir.

4861
05:04:23,220 --> 05:04:25,260
And you can just press the button.

4862
05:04:25,560 --> 05:04:27,960
So the light comes on and there it's on.

4863
05:04:28,260 --> 05:04:28,440
There you go.

4864
05:04:28,580 --> 05:04:29,960
Just walk up to that.

4865
05:04:30,520 --> 05:04:31,780
Say your name and address it.

4866
05:04:31,920 --> 05:04:34,580
I'm Valentin Hernandez, 320 Chilean Avenue.

4867
05:04:34,920 --> 05:04:36,760
And I'm here.

4868
05:04:36,820 --> 05:04:37,080
I'm here.

4869
05:04:37,080 --> 05:04:40,600
I'm here today, and I wish I wasn't because I would not want to be here.

4870
05:04:40,600 --> 05:04:50,500
And I thought that we were going to finish this thing on time, but what happened is that we've taken a very old building very ugly and we're trying to make it nicer.

4871
05:04:51,340 --> 05:05:01,580
And it turns out that you dig in and then you find something new and then you dig in something else and then you have to replace the roof and then the windows are not good and then the railings.

4872
05:05:01,580 --> 05:05:15,440
So what we want to do is make the building 100% say, make all the windows storm proof, you know, fix the roof properly so that we can get everything done, you know, at one time.

4873
05:05:16,380 --> 05:05:20,240
And hopefully, you know, a Brian will be finished before that, right?

4874
05:05:20,780 --> 05:05:23,500
Yes. And I ask more than I hope to finish.

4875
05:05:23,500 --> 05:05:30,260
I have more thoughts, we went through the fire station, and I want this thing to be finished

4876
05:05:30,260 --> 05:05:33,540
more than all of you because we live with it.

4877
05:05:34,120 --> 05:05:34,360
Okay.

4878
05:05:34,680 --> 05:05:35,460
Thank you.

4879
05:05:41,180 --> 05:05:41,460
All right.

4880
05:05:41,780 --> 05:05:47,980
And seeing no other people wanting to speak, would anybody care to make a motion?

4881
05:05:48,720 --> 05:05:49,680
Are you up a question?

4882
05:05:50,160 --> 05:05:51,060
Julie's got a question.

4883
05:05:51,920 --> 05:05:58,000
So Wayne, if it gets, if it gets to be too much on the neighbors, which this would be

4884
05:05:58,000 --> 05:06:02,640
Have you heard anything from the neighbors and anything any complaints?

4885
05:06:03,720 --> 05:06:05,960
We actually had a neighbor consent,

4886
05:06:06,440 --> 05:06:10,840
our com staff approval just recently, so they had to be made aware and sign off on some

4887
05:06:10,840 --> 05:06:11,540
our commission.

4888
05:06:11,720 --> 05:06:14,160
Okay, so just to make it clear on the record,

4889
05:06:14,380 --> 05:06:17,520
the owner just said that they have had no complaints.

4890
05:06:18,840 --> 05:06:24,340
The gentleman who just spoke, Valentin Hernandez, thank you.

4891
05:06:24,340 --> 05:06:35,340
So, I just wondered if we should put anything in there like we have on some other extensions that, you know, if there are neighbor complaints that they would come before us.

4892
05:06:36,500 --> 05:06:39,100
If there were neighbor complaints, and I'm not familiar with any of them.

4893
05:06:39,560 --> 05:06:41,120
We would always bring it back to you.

4894
05:06:41,220 --> 05:06:42,400
Okay. Thank you.

4895
05:06:42,660 --> 05:06:44,560
So, I'm good. Good to go. You want to motion.

4896
05:06:45,500 --> 05:06:46,280
Ted is next.

4897
05:06:46,660 --> 05:06:47,000
Oh, sorry.

4898
05:06:47,140 --> 05:06:47,960
I'm just going to make a motion.

4899
05:06:48,040 --> 05:06:48,340
Okay.

4900
05:06:48,560 --> 05:06:49,160
I had.

4901
05:06:51,440 --> 05:07:01,840
I will move to grant the requested waiver for code section 18-237 for the building permit extension at 3-20 Chile and Avenue as requested.

4902
05:07:02,220 --> 05:07:04,300
Until October 31st.

4903
05:07:04,320 --> 05:07:05,080
As request.

4904
05:07:06,800 --> 05:07:07,520
Mr. Coney.

4905
05:07:10,690 --> 05:07:10,970
Yes.

4906
05:07:11,370 --> 05:07:12,090
Mr. Cranton.

4907
05:07:12,730 --> 05:07:12,970
Mr. Cranton.

4908
05:07:12,970 --> 05:07:13,310
Mr. Ruscon.

4909
05:07:13,630 --> 05:07:14,030
Yes.

4910
05:07:14,290 --> 05:07:15,110
Ms. Moran. Yes.

4911
05:07:15,290 --> 05:07:15,650
Ms. Lindsey.

4912
05:07:18,470 --> 05:07:19,030
Thank you, Brian.

4913
05:07:24,510 --> 05:07:24,910
One left.

4914
05:07:24,910 --> 05:07:26,850
to 18 Barton Avenue.

4915
05:07:27,590 --> 05:07:29,890
This is a residential alteration with addition.

4916
05:07:30,140 --> 05:07:38,640
Foster Banyan Building and Development LLC. Request for 177 days with all work to be completed by June 1st,

4917
05:07:38,980 --> 05:07:53,460
2026. Let me read the second paragraph this time. Original expiration date of June 26, 2025. This project has run into excessive mold on site.

4918
05:07:54,710 --> 05:07:55,830
Go ahead.

4919
05:08:01,520 --> 05:08:02,280
I'm good.

4920
05:08:03,140 --> 05:08:04,260
I'm Dan Lazaric.

4921
05:08:04,660 --> 05:08:07,520
My wife Natalie and I are the homeowners of 2018 Barton.

4922
05:08:07,740 --> 05:08:08,860
We bought to house in 2015.

4923
05:08:10,900 --> 05:08:12,240
My wife Natalie grew up in the house.

4924
05:08:12,400 --> 05:08:17,560
We bought it from her parents and our dream was to restore the house and raise our family.

4925
05:08:17,960 --> 05:08:20,020
Which at the time was one daughter is now four daughters.

4926
05:08:22,200 --> 05:08:28,040
That dream was delayed in 2016 when one of our daughters was diagnosed with a very large brain tumor.

4927
05:08:29,380 --> 05:08:37,720
And after many life-saving surgeries, a five-year plus journey, and her restoration, it's

4928
05:08:37,720 --> 05:08:40,220
a great outcome, miraculous.

4929
05:08:42,820 --> 05:08:47,600
We restored the project and started again, and so went to our common 2022 and got the

4930
05:08:47,600 --> 05:08:53,580
appropriate additional approvals, and in late 2023, started the project with the approvals.

4931
05:08:54,400 --> 05:08:55,740
And we built the addition.

4932
05:08:56,300 --> 05:09:00,600
And we were getting ready to move into the house this past year.

4933
05:09:01,780 --> 05:09:03,680
And as we were getting ready to move in,

4934
05:09:03,860 --> 05:09:08,680
the addition we found mold coming from the light sockets

4935
05:09:08,680 --> 05:09:11,180
and from the sconces, in the very new addition.

4936
05:09:11,920 --> 05:09:14,920
On further investigation, we found that the icing insulation,

4937
05:09:15,180 --> 05:09:17,740
which was approved to be put into the new addition attic,

4938
05:09:18,160 --> 05:09:19,480
was not icing insulation,

4939
05:09:20,400 --> 05:09:23,800
and that combined with the hot and the cold air of the AC,

4940
05:09:23,800 --> 05:09:26,780
Cosmol to run rampant through the new addition on the second floor.

4941
05:09:27,540 --> 05:09:30,780
Therefore, the family is not moving in yet,

4942
05:09:31,380 --> 05:09:34,040
and we had to demo the whole second floor again.

4943
05:09:35,200 --> 05:09:38,720
So as a result, in the inside of it, not the core of the addition.

4944
05:09:39,560 --> 05:09:42,940
And as a result, then, we went through a change of contractor.

4945
05:09:43,760 --> 05:09:45,240
And that is faster behavior.

4946
05:09:45,860 --> 05:09:48,600
Needless to say, that's a whole sidebar for another day.

4947
05:09:50,160 --> 05:09:52,480
And they've put together the project plan,

4948
05:09:52,480 --> 05:09:59,340
And we have given the proper notice to neighbors, and we're here today to ask for your

4949
05:09:59,340 --> 05:10:02,880
approval for the extension, which we think will take a couple of months to finish.

4950
05:10:04,740 --> 05:10:07,100
We're fostering, and it's done the appropriate work.

4951
05:10:07,460 --> 05:10:13,060
We think we have the right people lined up this time to get it done, and that's it.

4952
05:10:13,080 --> 05:10:19,320
Thank you for all you do for town of Palm Beach and for us, and ask a couple of months

4953
05:10:19,320 --> 05:10:19,640
extension.

4954
05:10:19,900 --> 05:10:21,100
I'm ready to make a motion.

4955
05:10:21,100 --> 05:10:27,820
to be like anybody else. Okay and and goblash your daughter. I'm so thankful she's okay that's

4956
05:10:27,820 --> 05:10:36,140
most important. I make a motion to approve the request for waiver of town code section 182237 for

4957
05:10:36,140 --> 05:10:44,400
building permit extension at 2008 excuse me 218 Barton Avenue. Is there a song? Yes. Ms. Moran.

4958
05:10:48,660 --> 05:10:49,260
Yes,

4959
05:10:49,260 --> 05:10:50,280
Thank you. Thank you.

4960
05:10:50,700 --> 05:10:50,840
Thank you.

4961
05:10:55,500 --> 05:10:56,880
I'm on Kedlton.

4962
05:10:57,400 --> 05:10:58,040
I'm on the other side.

4963
05:10:58,900 --> 05:10:59,080
Thank you.

4964
05:10:59,720 --> 05:11:01,800
God bless you and your daughter and everyone.

4965
05:11:02,860 --> 05:11:04,960
Last thing I'd like to say before you are done.

4966
05:11:05,180 --> 05:11:06,940
So just make sure I can say something.

4967
05:11:07,280 --> 05:11:07,860
Okay. Go ahead.

4968
05:11:08,000 --> 05:11:08,980
I'm going to have a last word.

4969
05:11:09,320 --> 05:11:11,140
This is your last.

4970
05:11:11,480 --> 05:11:13,260
Although we have one more quick meeting,

4971
05:11:13,600 --> 05:11:15,580
but this is your last big meeting with us.

4972
05:11:15,580 --> 05:11:22,680
Again, I just thank you Bobby and we'll miss you and I'm so happy you'll be at the next meeting with us

4973
05:11:22,680 --> 05:11:29,360
Okay, well, I'm coming back again. We've got another meeting and then I'm coming back in April to watch you guys

4974
05:11:30,200 --> 05:11:37,680
Real elect a new president. So I would like to invite everybody. It's just a bow cocktail hour to

4975
05:11:38,320 --> 05:11:43,300
Cross-go across the street disease. He's one and order cocktail and I'm bio-kind

4976
05:11:43,300 --> 05:11:44,080
Wow.

4977
05:11:44,540 --> 05:11:45,340
I'm buying.

4978
05:11:45,640 --> 05:11:49,140
And that includes staff, Joanne, who is the state of Texas.

4979
05:11:50,120 --> 05:11:51,360
And she too, too.

4980
05:11:52,020 --> 05:11:53,060
You're what a balo.

4981
05:11:53,200 --> 05:11:54,260
You're going to take a picture.

4982
05:11:54,520 --> 05:11:54,740
Okay.

4983
05:11:55,300 --> 05:11:57,380
If you're available, it's all go.

4984
05:11:58,420 --> 05:11:59,460
Oh, sit.

4985
05:11:59,760 --> 05:12:00,020
To the top.

4986
05:12:00,980 --> 05:12:01,960
You have what?

4987
05:12:03,460 --> 05:12:03,680
Good.

4988
05:12:04,120 --> 05:12:05,000
So you're in.

4989
05:12:05,100 --> 05:12:06,140
Joanne's in for your.

4990
05:12:06,620 --> 05:12:07,020
Leave it to her.

4991
05:12:07,020 --> 05:12:08,080
Where's Mr. Murphy?

4992
05:12:08,260 --> 05:12:09,000
Did he leave?

4993
05:12:09,480 --> 05:12:09,800
Oh, darn.

4994
05:12:10,080 --> 05:12:10,340
Okay.

4995
05:12:11,220 --> 05:12:11,440
All right.

4996
05:12:11,440 --> 05:12:12,020
But,

4997
05:12:14,100 --> 05:12:16,120
okay, Kelly.

4998
05:12:16,640 --> 05:12:16,960
Thanks, Kelly.

4999
05:12:18,000 --> 05:12:20,500
Don't forget to hit the gavel one last time.

5000
05:12:21,280 --> 05:12:22,300
Motion to adjourn.

5001
05:12:22,760 --> 05:12:23,440
Thank you.

5002
05:12:24,220 --> 05:12:27,060
Thank you, gentlemen, for watching us all day.

5003
05:12:27,200 --> 05:12:27,820
Thank you, Bobby.

5004
05:12:28,100 --> 05:12:29,080
Really appreciate it.

5005
05:12:29,120 --> 05:12:30,380
Thank you.

5006
05:12:31,320 --> 05:12:31,320
So,

5007
05:12:33,830 --> 05:12:35,850
well, it's 430.

5008
05:12:36,670 --> 05:12:37,770
What did

5009
05:12:39,880 --> 05:12:40,620
I tell you?

5010
05:12:43,790 --> 05:12:44,950
Did you say 430?

5011
05:12:44,950 --> 05:12:46,110
I don't know, I don't know.