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GOOD MORNING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE CITY OF PALM COAST CITY COUNCIL WORKSHOP. TODAY IS TUESDAY, JULY 14, 2026. IT'S 9 A.M. WE'RE IN THE JOHN METZ COMMUNITY WING. I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. IF YOU HAVE ANY DEVICES, PLEASE SILENCE THEM AT THIS TIME. IF YOU COULD, PLEASE STAND WITH ME FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND A SHORT MOMENT OF SILENCE. ALLISON, COULD YOU CALL THE ROLL, PLEASE? MAYOR NORRIS? HERE. VICE MAYOR PONTIERI? PRESENT. COUNCIL MEMBER GAMBARO? HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER MILLER? HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER SULLIVAN? HERE. ALL MEMBERS ARE PRESENT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN TODAY'S PROCEEDINGS WITH PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. IF ANYONE HAS ANY PUBLIC COMMENT PERTAINING TO MATTERS NOT ON THE AGENDA, YOU WILL HAVE TIME TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA. BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY COMMENTS RIGHT NOW, PLEASE COME FORWARD. WE'LL ALLOT 30 MINUTES FOR THIS PERIOD. GOOD MORNING. MY HUSBAND HAS A SAYING, YOU CAN PRETEND TO CARE, BUT YOU CAN'T PRETEND TO SHOW UP. THERE IS A STOMACH BUG THAT'S LINKED DIRECTLY TO WATER, AND IT'S ACTUALLY LISTED IN MY HANDOUT. IT CANNOT CONTAIN WATER TO JUST ONE OR TWO ROADS. BOIL WATER NOTICES AND HOT SPOTS NEED TO BE ANNOUNCED COUNTYWIDE BECAUSE WATER TRAVELS. IT'S CLEAR WE HAVE, AGAIN, A ROGUE COUNCIL. WE HAVE TWO CHARTER OFFICERS, ONE THE CITY ATTORNEY, WHO RECITES ALTERED, UNAPPROVED CHARTER LANGUAGE. THE CITY MANAGER, WHO CLAIMS THE CHARTER IS NOT HIS PURVIEW, REFUSES TO PUT EYES ON THE POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS AND LAWS IN CHARTER RULE. WE HAVE TWO APPOINTED SEATS. A PARASITE SEAT WHOSE APPOINTMENT EXPIRED NOVEMBER 25, 2024, AND A TEMPORARY WHO SHOULD HAVE HANDED BACK THE UNOPPOSED SEAT. BUT HE'S HERE TO VOTE TODAY. WE HAVE A VICE MAYOR WHO HAS TAKEN CAMPAIGN DONATIONS FROM A DEVELOPER AND VOTED IN THEIR FAVOR. THAT SAME PERSON WROTE THE AMENDMENT THAT WENT ON THE 2024 BALLOT TO REMOVE OUR SAFEGUARDS. AND WITHOUT A CHARTER REVIEW PROCESS TO AMEND OUR CHARTER. I HIGHLY DISCOURAGE APPROVING ANY BUDGET INCREASES. THIS IS WHERE CUTS SHOULD START. IF YOU'LL EXCUSE ME, I HAVE WATER TO FILTER AND BOIL. THANK YOU. YES, SIR, MR. STONE. ACTUALLY, THIS CITY HAS HAD PROBLEMS. FROM STARTING IN 21-22 FROM THE PREVIOUS COUNCIL. THEY ACTUALLY TOOK A BID FROM A CONTRACTOR TO PUT IN A LIGHTING SYSTEM ON TRAFFIC. THE LIGHTS DON'T COORDINATE. YOU COULD SIT FOUR MINUTES AT 100 COMING DOWN ANY ONE OF THOSE STREETS BEFORE THE LIGHTS CHANGE AND NO ONE GIVES AN ANSWER. I RECENTLY SENT AN EMAIL TO MR. SULLIVAN. NO RESPONSE. I DID RESPOND. IN ADDITION, WHEN WE USE THESE SAFETY DEVICES, PARTICULARLY ON STIMMON DRIVE, WHERE YOU LET THE GUYS COME OUT AND PUT ANY DEVICE THEY WANTED, NO SUPERVISION AT ALL. THE RCES... AT THE STATION WHERE WE LIVE, THE STREETS ARE CONSTANTLY FLOODING WITH THE HEAVY RAINS, THE MOSQUITOES ARE COMING OUT, ALL THE OTHER INSECTS. NO CORRECTION. AND THE WORST, THE ICC, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, HAS VICTIMIZED CERTAIN PEOPLE RUNNING IN OFFICE DURING THE CAMPAIGN. THEY DID IT IN 24 AND THEY'RE CONSTANTLY BLOCKING MY GOOD

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FRIEND JEANNIE. AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOU HAD A COMMISSIONER PUT OUT A FALSE STATEMENT ABOUT ONE OF THE CANDIDATES AND THE FALSE PICTURES. THERE'S A MAN, A COUNCILMAN, WHO'S BEEN THROWN OUT OF GEORGIA. CAN'T DO ANY OF HIS DEVELOPMENTS. HE'S BEEN BARRED, AND HE'S ALSO BEEN BARRED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. I'M NOT PAYING TAXES, AND HE'S KNOWN AS A SLUM LANDLORD. YOU GOT TO TREAT PEOPLE FAIR AND SQUARE, AND THE VERY LAST THING, WE HAVE HAD A WATER PROBLEM SINCE 2020. WHILE YOU'RE MAKING AN ATTEMPT TO CORRECT IT, WE HAD A COUNCILMAN WHO SITS ON THIS COUNCIL, SAID, OH, I COULD AFFORD $300 A MONTH FOR A DAY LONG. THAT MAN TOOK TONS OF CONTRIBUTIONS FROM CONTRACTORS AND DEVELOPERS. OF COURSE HE CAN. HE'S GOT MONEY IN HIS POCKET FROM THE DEVELOPERS. ALL THESE PROBLEMS NEED TO BE CORRECTED. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? YES, MA'AM. MY NAME IS BARBARA FAY AND I LIVE IN THE P SECTION OF PALM COAST. I'M HERE TODAY REGARDING THE ONGOING REVIEW OF CHAPTER 8 OF OUR CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES, SPECIFICALLY AS IT ATTENDS TO TETHERING, OUTDOOR SHELTERING, AND BACKYARD BREEDING. I URGE YOU TO REPLACE OUR VAGUE, OUTDATED GUIDELINES WITH PRECISE, ENFORCEABLE LANGUAGE TARGETING FOUR CRITICAL AREAS, WHICH WILL EMPOWER OUR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS TO INTERVENE BEFORE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY OR NEIGHBORHOOD CONFLICT ARISES. FIRST, WE MUST PASS A STRICT ATTENDED TETHERING LAW. LEAVING AN ANIMAL CHAINED OR CABLED OUTSIDE UNATTENDED IS A SEVERE HAZARD. THE ORDINANCE SHOULD EXPLICITLY STATE THAT TETHERING IS PROHIBITED UNLESS A RESPONSIBLE ADULT IS PHYSICALLY PRESENT OUTDOORS ON THE PROPERTY WITH THE ANIMAL. SECOND, WE MUST ESTABLISH PRECISE STRUCTURAL REQUIREMENTS FOR ADEQUATE OUTDOOR HOUSING. IN OUR SEVERE CLIMATE, A TRADITIONAL PLASTIC OR WOODEN DOGHOUSE ACTS LIKE AN OVEN UNDER THE SUN. THE ORDINANCE MUST MANDATE ENCLOSURES WITH A WATERPROOF ROOF, WELL-VENTILATED WALLS, AND A RAISED FLOOR TO BLOCK GROUND HEAT ALONGSIDE SEPARATE CONTINUOUS SHADE. WE MUST EXPLICITLY BAN UNVENTILATED PLASTIC BINS, METAL BARRELS, OR UNINSULATED SHEDS, WHICH RAPIDLY TURN INTO LETHAL HEAT TRAPS. THIRD, I URGE THE COUNCIL TO IMPLEMENT A STRICT OVERNIGHT CONFINEMENT BAN PROHIBITING DOMESTIC PETS FROM BEING LEFT CONFINED OUTDOORS BETWEEN 10 P.M. AND 6 A.M. THIS PROTECTS ANIMALS FROM PREDATORY WILDLIFE AND NOCTURNAL STORMS, STOPPING THE PERSISTENT NUISANCE BARKING THAT DISRUPTS OUR NEIGHBORHOODS. FINALLY, WE MUST ADDRESS HOBBY BREEDER RESTRICTIONS. OUR LOOSE HISTORICAL DEFINITIONS ALLOW UNREGULATED BACKYARD BREEDERS TO EXPLOIT RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, HEAVILY CONTRIBUTING TO SHELTER OVERCROWDING. I URGE THE COUNCIL TO LOOK DIRECTLY AT VOLUSIA COUNTY HOBBY BREEDER PERMIT GUIDELINES. WE SHOULD ADOPT THEIR STRICT CRITERIA, REQUIRING BREEDERS TO BE ACTIVE MEMBERSHIP IN THE NATIONAL ANIMAL REGISTRY, MANDATING THAT ALL ANIMALS BE MICROCHIPPED, CAPPING PRODUCTION IN A MAXIMUM OF TWO LITTERS PER YEAR, AND LEGALLY REQUIRING BREEDERS TO HAVE A WRITTEN PLAN TO ACCEPT RETURNED ANIMALS. CRUCIALLY, OUR ORDINANCE MUST BUILD ON THIS BY SUBJECTING THIS PERMITTED PROPERTIES TO ONGOING INSPECTION. INSPECTIONS WHILE ACTIVELY BREEDING TO ENSURE THAT SANITATION, SPACING, AND WELFARE STANDARDS ARE CONTINUOUSLY MAINTAINED THROUGHOUT THE BREEDING CYCLE. PLEASE ENSURE THAT CHAPTER 8 REWRITE PROVIDES THESE AIRTIGHT DEFINITIONS TO KEEP PALM COAST SAFE AND HUMANE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, MA'AM. COULD YOU, MS. BARBARA GROSSMAN, CAN YOU HOLD UP YOUR HAND? CAN YOU REACH OUT TO MS. GROSSMAN IN THE BACK? ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? EXCUSE ME, MR. MAYOR, AND I'LL ALSO HAVE SOME FOLLOW-UP WITH MRS. FAY AS WELL. OKAY, THANK YOU. SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, WE'RE GOING TO END THIS PUBLIC PARTICIPATION. BRINGING IT BACK TO DICE, YOU JUST HAD THAT ONE FOLLOW-UP, CITY MANAGER? YES, SIR. COUNCILMAN MILLER, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YES, MR. MAYOR. I WAS GOING TO SAY, I BELIEVE I INTERACTED WITH BARBARA ON SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL, AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE CODE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT UM, ANIMAL CONTROL AND THE RULES INVOLVED AS IT IS SO I WOULD ASK THE COUNCIL TO GIVE CONSENT FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT

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DEPARTMENT TO LOOK AT THE CONVERSATION THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT TO US AND SEE IN TERMS OF BEST PRACTICES WHAT'S GOING AROUND THE STATE AND POTENTIALLY BRING SOME OF THOSE CHANGES AS WELL. I'M NOT SURE IF SOME OF THAT IS STUFF WE'RE ALREADY WORKING ON. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT REPEAT OFFENDERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, MAKING CHANGES IN REGARDS TO THAT, BUT I WOULD ALSO LIKE STAFF TO POTENTIALLY MAKE THOSE SUGGESTIONS IN TERMS OF WHAT BEST PRACTICES ARE. IN REGARDS TO WHAT MR. FAY BROUGHT UP. I HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT. I'VE GOT ONE. YOU GOT ANYTHING ABOUT IT? WAS THAT IT? THAT'S IT. YES, SIR. GO RIGHT AHEAD. SINCE MY NAME WAS MENTIONED BY MR. STONE, I DID GET HIS EMAIL. HE HAD A COUPLE OF ISSUES. I RESPONDED WITH AN EMAIL. I CALLED MOSQUITO CONTROL TO SEE IF ANYTHING COULD BE DONE ABOUT THE MOSQUITO PROBLEM WITH THE PLACE NEXT DOOR. THE OTHER ISSUE WAS 100. AND I EXPLAINED THAT THAT'S A MAJOR ISSUE THAT WE'VE ADDRESSED REPEATEDLY AND THAT I CAN'T PERSONALLY I HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE STAFF IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME TO MAKE ADDITIONAL IMPROVEMENTS BUT UH WE'RE DOING WHAT WE CAN THANK YOU SO I DID RESPOND AND SO HE IS INCORRECT IN SAYING THAT I DID NOT RESPOND THANK YOU SIR ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL UH SEEING NO ONE WITH ANY COMMENTS. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PRESENTATIONS. OUR FIRST PRESENTATION IS PROPOSED FISCAL YEAR 2027 GENERAL FUND IT OPERATIONS AND FACILITIES BUDGET AND TRAM OPTIONS. GOOD MORNING, MR. MAYOR, MADAM VICE MAYOR, AND CITY COUNCILOR. PRIOR TO TURNING OVER. I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO OPEN UP. I'M HERE WITH OUR AMAZING TEAM TO BUILD STATUS. WE ARE HERE TO PROVIDE RECOMMENDED PATHWAYS TO A BALANCED BUDGET FOR THE CITY THAT ARE BASED UPON YOUR APPROVED STRATEGIC ACTION PLANS, OR SAPS, AND COMMUNICATED SERVICE LEVEL EXPECTATIONS FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. BASED UPON THE APPROVED SAPS. WHICH INCLUDE THE PAST ONES THAT HAVE ROLLED TO OPERATIONS, CURRENT ONES THAT ARE STILL BEING WORKED ON, AND THOSE THAT HAVE JUST BEEN APPROVED FOR THE UPCOMING BUDGET YEAR, ALONG WITH YOUR DESIRED SERVICE LEVEL EXPECTATIONS, STAFF IS STRONGLY RECOMMENDING A SLIGHT MILLAGE INCREASE FOR THIS YEAR'S UPCOMING BUDGET TO 4.2296 AS A STARTING DISCUSSION POINT FOR BUDGET DELIBERATIONS. THIS RECOMMENDED MILLAGE INCREASE WILL BALANCE THE BUDGET REGARDING THE APPROVED SAPS AND COMMUNICATED SERVICE LEVEL EXPECTATIONS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONSIDERATIONS. MULTIPLE GENERAL FUND POSITIONS HAVE BEEN FROZEN FOR THE UPCOMING FISCAL YEAR. AS WELL, NO NEW GENERAL FUND POSITIONS HAVE BEEN ADDED. THIS WOULD ALSO ACCOUNT FOR NO ADDITIONAL SHERIFF DEPUTY'S POSITIONS TO BE ADDED. IT WOULD ALSO NECESSITATE THE REMOVAL OF COLA FOR OUR CITY EMPLOYEES WHILE KEEPING THE MERIT-BASED PROGRAM. WHICH WILL BE CAPPED AT 3%, SO 0.3% FOR MERIT. THIS WILL FUND EMPLOYEE BENEFITS AND WORKERS' COMPENSATION PROGRAMS. IT WILL ALSO FUND THE VEHICLE FLEET PROGRAM, AS WELL AS FUNDS FUEL, WATER, AND ELECTRICAL EXPENSES AS PROJECTED FOR THE CITY. A MILLAGE RATE SET BELOW THAT OF 4.2296 WILL REQUIRE THE NECESSARY REVIEW AND REDUCTION OF BOTH THE RECENTLY APPROVED SAPS AND SERVICE LEVEL EXPECTATIONS AND IF NEEDED THIS ONE NEED TO TAKE PLACE TAKE PLACE QUICKLY SO THAT WE CAN STAY ON SCHEDULE WITH BUDGET PREPARATIONS THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS MORNING AND I'D NOW LIKE TO TURN IT OVER TO BUDGET AND PROCUREMENT MANAGER MRS. RAGSDALE THANK YOU SIR GOOD MORNING MISS RAGSDALE GOOD MORNING MAYOR AND CITY COUNCIL TODAY OUR FINANCE TEAM MYSELF, GWEN RAGSDALE, AND HELENA ALVES WILL PRESENT THE OVERVIEW OF THE GENERAL FUND. SO STAFF ARE HERE TODAY TO REVIEW GENERAL FUND REVENUE SOURCES, REVENUES EXPENDITURES, PROPOSED PERSONNEL REQUESTS FOR THE GENERAL FUND, FACILITIES INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY OPERATIONS FUND, AS WELL AS UNFUNDED REQUESTS AND PROPOSED MAXIMUM MILLAGE RATE. SO NEXT WE WILL REVIEW THE CITY'S UNRESTRICTED REVENUES THAT SUPPORT THE GENERAL FUND. WE WILL FOCUS ONLY ON MAJOR REVENUE SOURCES. SO CURRENTLY IN USE. OUR AD VALOREM TAXES ARE THE PRIMARY REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THEY ARE BASED ON TAXABLE PROPERTY VALUES. FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026, COUNCIL ADOPTED A MILLAGE RATE OF 4.0893. THE PROPERTY TAX PROCESS

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FOLLOWS THE FLORIDA DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE'S TRIM, TRUTH IN MILLAGE, GUIDELINES, WHICH SETS STRICT REQUIREMENTS FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS. THE COMMUNICATION SERVICE TAX APPLIES TO A RATE OF 5.22 ON TELECOMMUNICATION SERVICES, INCLUDING VOICE, DATA, AUDIO, AND VIDEO. HISTORICALLY, THIS REVENUE HAS REMAINED RELATIVELY STABLE WITH MINOR GROWTH. THE HALF-CENT SALES TAX IS THE PORTION OF THE SIX PERCENT SALES TAX LEVIED BY THE STATE. IN THE LAST THREE FISCAL YEARS, THE AMOUNT HAS REMAINED RELATIVELY FLAT. THE STATE REVENUE SHARING IS ANOTHER REVENUE SOURCE DISTRIBUTED FROM SEVERAL STATE-LEVEL TAXES. SO CURRENTLY NOT IN USE, WE HAVE THREE MAJOR SOURCES OF UNRESTRICTED REVENUES THAT THE CITY IS NOT CURRENTLY USING. THAT ARE AVAILABLE FOR USE. THE ELECTRONIC FRANCHISE FEE, THE PUBLIC SERVICE TAX, AND THE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE. THE ELECTRIC FRANCHISE FEE, THIS IS AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND THE ELECTRIC PROVIDER, IN OUR CASE THE FLORIDA POWER AND LIGHT, FOR THE USE OF THE CITY'S RIGHT-OF-WAY. IT IS CALCULATED AS A PERCENTAGE OF GROSS REVENUES WITH A MAXIMUM RATE OF SIX PERCENT. THE CITY COUNCIL DETERMINES HOW THE REVENUES WILL BE USED. THE PUBLIC SERVICE TAX, THIS TAX MAY BE LEVIED ON ELECTRICITY, NATURAL GAS, AND WATER SERVICES. THE MAXIMUM RATE IS 10%. STATE STATUTES INCLUDE MANDATORY EXEMPTIONS, SUCH AS A FUEL ADJUSTMENT CHARGE THAT EXEMPTS CERTAIN INDUSTRIES. IT ALSO ALLOWS DISCRETIONARY EXEMPTIONS, INCLUDING THE OPTION TO EXEMPT THE FIRST 500 KILOWATTS OF USAGE OR SPECIFIC INDUSTRY EXEMPTIONS. THE USAGE AND PURPOSE CAN BE DETERMINED BY CITY COUNCIL. IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA, 47% OF CITIES HAVE BOTH THE ELECTRIC FRANCHISE FEE AND THE PUBLIC SERVICE TAX, AND 36% HAVE ONE OR THE OTHER. THERE IS ONLY 16% THAT DO NOT HAVE EITHER OF THESE TAXES. THE FIRE ASSESSMENT FEE. THIS FEE OFFSETS FIRE PROTECTION COSTS AND MUST BE SHOWN TO BENEFIT THE PROPERTY AND NOT THE INDIVIDUAL. THE FEE IS DETERMINED BY A RATE STUDY AND WOULD BE A SEPARATE LINE ITEM ON THEIR PROPERTY TAX BILL. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE TO A SLIDE THAT TALKS ABOUT OUR, THE, SORRY, THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION. WE HAVE MR. GARDNER HERE WITH US TODAY, SO I'D LIKE TO SKIP TO THAT SLIDE IF YOU WOULD LIKE SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE HIM HERE ALL DAY. GO RIGHT AHEAD, MS. ROBINSON. AS REQUESTED, THIS SLIDE SHOWS THE APPROXIMATE REVENUE LOSS IF THE BILL IS PASSED IN NOVEMBER. THE PROPERTY APPRAISER IS STILL CALCULATING THE IMPACT OF THE NON-HOMESTEADED EXEMPTION FROM 10% TO 5%, AND WE WILL UPDATE YOU ONCE THAT INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE. BUT BASED ON THE CURRENT ESTIMATES, A $150,000 EXEMPTION WOULD RESULT IN POTENTIAL REVENUE LOSS AND APPROXIMATELY 9.2 MILLION. AND A $250,000 EXEMPTION WOULD RESULT IN A LOSS OF APPROXIMATELY $15.9 MILLION. CAN I ADD TO THAT? SO YESTERDAY, ACTUALLY, THE REVENUE ESTIMATING CONFERENCE AT THE STATE PUBLISHED THEIR ESTIMATES OF THE IMPACTS. AND SO JUST TO SHOW WHAT THE STATE ESTIMATING SO THEY DO BOTH EVERY COUNTY AS WELL AS THE MUNICIPALITIES IN BETWEEN. SO AS PART OF THEIR ESTIMATES, THEY ESTIMATE THAT FLAGLER COUNTY, PALM COAST, FLORIDA, IN THE FIRST YEAR WILL BE IMPACTED BY 12,400,000. AND THEN IN THE SECOND YEAR, 21,700,000. SO. EVEN GREATER THAN THESE ESTIMATES, I PRESUME THAT THEY'RE INCLUDING IN THAT COMMERCIAL CAP, POTENTIALLY. THAT'S KIND OF THE DIFFERENCE THERE. BUT IT'S ALMOST $13 MILLION AND $22 MILLION, ACCORDING TO THE STATE. DO WE KNOW IF THAT'S BASED ON A STATIC APPROACH OR A WEIGHTED APPROACH? I HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THIS. I RECEIVED THIS LATE AFTERNOON YESTERDAY AND HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW WHAT THEIR APPROACH WAS. BUT THIS IS THE STATE BASED

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ON THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF THEIR OWN BILL. SO I WOULD ASSUME THAT THEY... PROBABLY KNOW MORE ABOUT IT THAN ANYBODY ELSE TRYING TO DO THESE ESTIMATES. DO WE KNOW IF THESE FIGURES ON THE SCREEN, DO WE KNOW HOW THIS APPROACH OR THESE FIGURES WERE ARRIVED AT? WAS IT STATIC OR WEIGHTED? SO WHAT WE DID IS WE WORKED WITH THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE, AND MR. GARDNER'S HERE, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WOULD BE OUR TAXABLE VALUE IF THE EXEMPTIONS HAD GONE IN PLACE FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 VALUES. SO TAKING THE TAXABLE VALUE THAT, AS THEY CALCULATED, WE ADDED OUR MILLAGE RATE RIGHT THE ADOPTED MILLAGE RATE FOR THE YEAR AND CALCULATED WHAT 96 WOULD BE IN REVENUE BACK THAT OUT OF OUR ACTUAL REVENUE FOR THE YEAR AND THAT'S WHERE THE ESTIMATES CAME SO NOT SURE YOU KNOW HOW THE STATE CAME UP WITH THEIRS BUT I WOULD THINK THAT THEIRS WOULD BE MORE TARGETED SINCE THEY CREATED THE UM TAX EXEMPT RULES VICE MAYOR WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR IS A BY-PROPERTY VERSION OF THIS VERSUS JUST TRYING TO APPLY THE EXEMPTION EQUALLY ACROSS THE TOTAL AGGREGATE AMOUNT, RIGHT? WELL, YEAH, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE HAVE CAPS ON INCREASES. WE HAVE... RIGHT. EACH PROPERTY... CORRECT. IN EFFECT, EACH PROPERTY WOULD BE TREATED SEPARATELY. THEY WOULD HAVE THEIR OWN CAP. ANYTHING UNDER THE $250 WOULD BE A FULL EXEMPTION. ANYTHING OVER WOULD BE A PARTIAL EXEMPTION. WHEREAS IF WE'RE JUST APPLYING 150 AND 250. TIMES THE NUMBER OF HOUSEHOLDS TIMES THE TOTAL APPRAISED VALUE THEN IT'S NOT GOING TO CAPTURE AS ACCURATELY THE ESTIMATES MR. GARDNER WHAT, WHAT IS WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE SOME COMMENTS WELL OBVIOUSLY MOST OF WHAT YOU'VE BEEN HEARING, CASTERS AND ALL THEM, HYSTERIA. TRUST ME, THE REVENUE ESTIMATING CONFERENCE, HYSTERIA, IF THEY WERE DOING ANYTHING, THEY'D BE SIDING WITH THE GOVERNOR. IT'S PAST. SO WHEN THEY SAY A NUMBER, YOU CAN EXPECT IT TO BE IN THE BALLPARK. YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT YOU HAVE UP THERE AND THE NUMBERS THAT I JUST PROVIDED YOU GUYS. I DID IT TWO DIFFERENT WAYS, ASSUMING EVERYTHING FLAT. THEN I DID IT WHERE THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN INCREASE. RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO GO THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE MUCH OF AN INCREASE. BUT YOU'RE TALKING QUITE A BIT OF MONEY, AND THERE IS NO MISCALCULATIONS. IT'S JUST NOBODY'S GOING TO BE 100% ACCURATE RIGHT NOW. HOW MANY MORE HOMESTEADS ARE THERE GOING TO BE? OBVIOUSLY, IN ONE GUY'S HOUSE, THE ASSESSED VALUE IS $150,000. SO THEY'RE OFF THE TAX ROLL THE FIRST YEAR. ANYBODY THAT THE ASSESSMENT IS $250,000 IS OFF THE TAX ROLL THE NEXT YEAR. SO YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. AND I'M SURE THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN DOING ALL THIS WASTE, FRAUD, AND ABUSE, SO IT WON'T BE A PROBLEM. THAT'S A JOKE. I GET MAD AT PEOPLE WHEN THEY EVEN USE THOSE OTHER WORDS. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW RICH Y'ALL ARE GETTING SITTING UP THERE, BUT I DON'T REALLY SEE IT HAPPENING, AND I KIND OF GET ANNOYED THAT PEOPLE WANT TO TREAT Y'ALL THAT WAY. FACT IS, TALLAHASSEE'S TAKING MONEY AWAY FROM YOU. IT WAS A THING THAT'S HAPPENED A HALF A DOZEN TIMES IN MY 21 YEARS IN THE OFFICE, BUT I ALWAYS COULD SAY, IT'S JUST SOME WACKADOO LEGISLATURE GUY TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, MAKE HIS MARK, AND HE'S GETTING RID OF TAXES. NOW IT'S COMING FROM THE BULLY PULPIT IN TALLAHASSEE. AND SO, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY WE'RE FIXING TO VOTE ON IT. AND WHETHER OR NOT WE CAN GET THE 60%, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M A HOMESTEADER. I WILL BENEFIT FULLY FROM IT, AND I'M NOT FOR IT. THERE'S NO PROTECTIONS FOR ANYTHING. YOU KNOW, THE BILL ITSELF IS BEING CHALLENGED JUST FOR THE LANGUAGE. I MEAN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE WAY THEY WORDED IT, IT'S SAVE OUR HOMES FROM EXCESSIVE TAXES. WELL, YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO DO THAT IN A BALLOT. SO IT WILL BE REWRITTEN. IT WON'T GO AWAY. THEIR COUNSEL COULD TELL US WHETHER THEY CAN GET IT ON THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER, BUT THEY'RE GOING

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TO REWRITE IT. YOU CAN'T ONE-SIDE IT EITHER DIRECTION, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY'VE DONE. FIVE YEARS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A BIG THING THAT THEY TALK ABOUT. IT'S GOING TO PHASE IN. IF YOU AREN'T A PERMANENT RESIDENT OF THIS STATE ON DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR, YOU HAVE TO WAIT FIVE YEARS. AND IT'S NOT ABOUT HAVING AN OWN IN REAL ESTATE, IT'S ABOUT BEING A RESIDENT. BUT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY HERE, BEEN HERE A YEAR OR WHATEVER, AS LONG AS THEY GET A HOMESTEAD IN BY JANUARY 1ST, THEY'RE GOOD TO GO. THEY WILL IMMEDIATELY GET THE $150,000 AND THE $250,000. BUT LET'S SEE, BACK IN 1980, THEY STARTED PHASING UP THE HOMESTEAD EXEMPTION, 15,000, 20,000, 25,000 MORE, SO IT WAS INCREASED. AND THEY MADE A WAITING PERIOD, AND IMMEDIATELY IT WAS CHALLENGED AND FOUND TO BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL BECAUSE THIS IS THE UNITED STATES AND WE CANNOT DISCRIMINATE AGAINST SOMEBODY FROM NEW JERSEY, WAS ACTUALLY THE STATE USED WHEN THE GOVERNOR WAS TALKING. TALKING ABOUT IT. YOU CAN'T DO THAT. SO IT WILL BE CHALLENGED. AND I ONLY PLAY A LAWYER ON TV, BUT I'M FAIRLY CERTAIN I'M RIGHT WHEN I SAY THAT IT WILL NOT PASS MUSTER. AND IT'S THE EQUAL PROTECTION ACT, I BELIEVE, IS WHAT IT'S VIOLATING. SO IN OTHER WORDS, THE ASSUMPTIONS BEING MADE ASSUME A FIVE-YEAR PHASE IN ON ALL THAT. WELL, THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. IT'S GOING TO GET CHALLENGED AND WILL BE IMMEDIATE. SO EVERYONE WILL BE ABLE TO GET IT ONCE YOU'RE A RESIDENT, JUST LIKE NOW. YOU MOVE TO FLORIDA ON JANUARY 1ST FOLLOWING YOUR ARRIVAL, YOU'RE A HOMESTEADER. THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THIS, IN MY OPINION. SO ANYTHING YOU'RE LOOKING AT COULD BE CHANGING. IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS THAT I DID, YOU CAN SEE I KIND OF HIGHLIGHTED $8.8 MILLION. OUT OF YOUR BUDGET IN THE FIRST YEAR, THAT'S THE BEST CASE SCENARIO. AND THEN IT GOES TO 14 MILLION AND THAT'S ASSUMING INCREASES, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT US ASSUMING THAT WE'RE RECAPTURING THE 5% AND THE 3%. YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT ALWAYS THE CASE. THIS YEAR IT'S ONLY 2.7%. I KNOW THIS IS ALL CONFUSING, BUT IF YOU WENT DOWN TO NO VALUE INCREASES, LOOK AT THE NUMBER, IT'S, YOU KNOW, WAS $18 MILLION. THIS IS IN LINE WITH WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE CALCULATED. IT'S IN LINE WITH WHAT THE STATE'S SAYING. BUT WHO'S RIGHT? WE'LL DO IT A DIFFERENT WAY SOON WHERE WE'LL HAVE MAYBE SOME BETTER INFORMATION. IT'S HARD TO GET THIS KIND OF INFORMATION BECAUSE I HAVE TO MAKE UP THINGS. I HAVE TO ASSUME THINGS. BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS IT'S QUITE A BIT OF MONEY. AND REGARDLESS OF WHAT THE PODCASTERS SAY, ABOUT THE FUZZY MATH AND THAT IT'S HYSTERIA AND YOU'RE JUST MAKING THIS STUFF UP. IT'S NOT. IT IS GOING TO BE A HIT JUST LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE TAKING A $50,000 HOMESTEAD AND MAKING IT $150,000. EACH PERSON THAT CAN BENEFIT FULLY GETS ANOTHER $100,000 OFF. THE SECOND YEAR, IT'S ANOTHER $100,000. SO IN THE FIRST YEAR, YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIKE COUNTYWIDE, THAT WOULD INCLUDE YOU, THE COUNTY, THE CITIES, $47.8 MILLION THE FIRST YEAR. SECOND YEAR'S A BIG WHACK BECAUSE YOU ADD THE OTHER 100. IT GOES TO LIKE BUT THAT WILL BE ABSORBED BY YOU AND THE COUNTY AND THE OTHER CITIES. EVEN MOSQUITO CONTROL HAS TO DEAL WITH IT. SO AT YOUR DISCRETION, YOU WILL BE ABLE TO RAISE THE MILLAGE RATE TO FUND SERVICES. THAT'S A CHOICE. THAT IS WHAT YOU GUYS GET PAID THE BIG BUCKS TO DO. SO, I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT HURTS. AND YOU WILL HAVE TO DO FEES. YOU WILL HAVE TO DO, YOU WERE TO THINK THE THREE THINGS THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT THAT YOU'RE NOT DOING NOW, YOU POSSIBLY WILL DO TO HELP OFFSET YOUR EXPENSE LOSS. THIS IS THEM TAKING REVENUE AWAY FROM YOU GUYS, OR YOU CAN LOOK AT IT THAT THEY'RE GIVING HOMESTEADERS A BREAK. THIS IS A TAX SHIFT. YOU ARE TAKING ME AND GIVING ME A BREAK AND MAKING SOMEBODY ELSE PAY

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FOR IT OR CUTTING SERVICES. YOU KNOW, I'M CERTAIN THAT YOU GUYS WILL CUT A FEW PLACES. THERE WILL BE SOME CUTTING AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, EXPENSES. I DON'T KNOW IF THE RIGHT TERM IS WASTE, BECAUSE WHO DEFINES WASTE? IS THE LIBRARY A WASTE? I DON'T GO TO THE LIBRARY, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO. SO WHAT WE HAVE TO PICK. THERE'S NO PROTECTION FOR CORE SERVICES. YOU'RE ALLOWED TO SPEND TAX DOLLARS ON CORE SERVICES. THINK ABOUT WHAT I JUST SAID, BECAUSE EVERYONE BELIEVES LAW ENFORCEMENT IS PROTECTED. NO, IT'S NOT. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY, YOU CAN'T WRITE A CHECK. AND THERE'S NO GUARANTEES FOR ANYTHING. THERE IS NO FUND ESTABLISHED TO HELP BENEL WHEN THEY CAN'T PAY THEIR BILL. YOU KNOW, IN SOME AREAS WE'LL GET HURT MUCH WORSE THAN OTHERS. AND THE MISCONCEPTION THAT EVEN IN THE WAY THEY DESCRIBE IT, THE BILL, FOR US TO VOTE ON IT, SAYS THAT INSURING FUNDING FOR CORE SERVICES, IT DOES NOT INSURE ANYTHING. THAT IS A MISSTATEMENT THAT WILL MISLEAD THE PUBLIC. IT SAYS PROTECTING SMALL BUSINESSES. HOW? WHEN YOU RAISE THE MILLAGE RATE, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY MORE. SO IT DOESN'T PROTECT ANYTHING. FAIRNESS. WELL, OUR TAX SYSTEM'S NOT FAIR. THE LONGER YOU'VE BEEN HERE, THE BETTER OFF YOU ARE. SOMEONE MOVES NEXT DOOR TO ME TODAY, THEY'RE GOING TO PAY MORE TAX THAN ME ON THE SAME PROPERTY. THAT'S SAVE OUR HOMES. I MEAN THAT 3% CAP MAKES A DIFFERENCE WHEN VALUES GO UP. SO THAT FIVE-YEAR THING, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL UNFAIRNESS, AND WE'RE NOT HELPING ANYTHING BUT A HOMESTEADER. THAT'S, YOU KNOW, ME. I GET A BREAK. SOMEONE'S GOING TO PAY FOR IT, OR SERVICES WILL BE CUT, AND THERE'LL BE SOME BELT TIGHTENING. YOU KNOW, Y'ALL WILL DO EVERYTHING YOU CAN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, YOU MAY TIGHTEN IT A LITTLE TO WHERE IT'S UNCOMFORTABLE FOR YOU. THAT'S Y'ALL'S DECISION. BUT I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. I MEAN, IT'S... COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. GARDNER? I WAS GOING TO ASK, WHAT'S YOUR ASSESSMENT OF HOW THIS WILL IMPACT RENTAL PROPERTIES AND NON-HOMESTEADED PROPERTIES? ALL OTHER REAL ESTATE WILL PAY MORE BECAUSE YOU GUYS WILL... NO DOUBT DEEM SOMETHING IMPORTANT IN OUR CORE SERVICES, OUR SERVICES, AND YOU'LL PROBABLY TWEAK THE MILLAGE RATE. THAT MEANS THEY PAY MORE. IF YOU OWN A RENTAL HOME INSTEAD OF A 401K, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A HIGHER TAX BILL OR FEES OR WHATEVER NON-AD VALOREM THINGS THAT YOU GUYS COME UP WITH. SO NOW WHAT HAPPENS, OF COURSE, RENTERS SPECIFICALLY, POSSIBLY THE PEOPLE THAT CAN LEAST AFFORD IT, WILL GET. AN INCREASE IN THEIR RENT BECAUSE A LANDLORD DOES NOT EAT THAT STUFF IT'S A BUSINESS YOU PASS ON THE EXPENSES THE INSURANCE GOES UP THE TAXES GO UP YOU PASS IT ON TO WHO THE TENANT SO THAT IS A NEGATIVE UM FOR POSSIBLY THE PEOPLE THAT CAN LEAST AFFORD IT SO YES IT WILL AFFECT ALL OTHER PROPERTIES UNLESS YOU GUYS HAVE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN 14 AND 18 MILLION DOLLARS THAT YOU'VE BEEN WASTING THAT YOU CAN CUT. AND I MEAN, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE THE CASE. I BELIEVE THAT THINGS AND WE SPEND MONEY BASED ON THE SERVICES THAT WE WANT AS A COMMUNITY. AND I'VE HAD A SAYING, SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD ME SAY IT BEFORE, IF YOU RAISE MY TAXES, I'LL GET MAD AT YOU. IF YOU CUT MY SERVICES, I'LL GET RID OF YOU. THAT'S THE WAY I'VE ALWAYS FELT ABOUT IT. NOW IT'S KIND OF... ALL ON THE FOREFRONT AND WITH SOCIAL MEDIA IT'S REALLY GETTING PLAYED I SAID THE PODCASTER TYPES AND STUFF ARE ALL USING SENSATIONALISM AND MAKING IT INTO SOMETHING AND OF COURSE THE PUBLIC SEES THAT AND YOU KNOW DOESN'T UNDERSTAND MAYBE THAT'S MY TAKE ON IT AND ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL YEAH I'D ALSO JUST LIKE TO, TO ILLUSTRATE THE POINT THAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH PUBLIC SAFETY BEING PROTECTED, BUT NOT REALLY BEING PROTECTED. IF WE LOOK AT OUR CURRENT BUDGET, SO A ROLLBACK BUDGET, IT'S ROUGHLY $43 MILLION OF AD VALOREM RECEIPTS. THE PROPOSED BUDGETS FOR PUBLIC SAFETY, I THINK, COME IN RIGHT AT ABOUT $25 OR $30 MILLION, RIGHT?

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SO THAT LEAVES $13 MILLION OVER. IF WE LOOK AT THE IMPACT ON YEAR TWO OF THIS BILL, THAT'S MINUS 21 MILLION. SO THAT MEANS WE'RE MINUS $8 MILLION IF WE FUND PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC SAFETY ONLY. SO IT DOES SEEM TO BE MAKING SOME HUGE IMPACTS. WE DO HAVE SOME BIG DECISIONS TO MAKE AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO FUND EVERYTHING THAT THE RESIDENTS DEEM TO BE ESSENTIAL VERSUS NON-ESSENTIAL. GO AHEAD, DAVE. GO AHEAD. I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT, AS YOU'VE INDICATED, AND THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, JAY. WE APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION. BUT I DON'T THINK PEOPLE ARE UNDERSTANDING WHAT THIS MEANS TO BUSINESS. THERE ARE NO TAX BREAKS FOR BUSINESS. THEY WILL PAY THE FULL MILLAGE RATE, WHATEVER IT IS, AND PROBABLY AT SOME POINT WILL HAVE TO GO UP. THERE ARE NO SAVE-OUR-HOMES DEALS FOR THEM. YOU BUSINESSES WILL CONTINUE TO PAY THE CURRENT BUSINESSES THAT ARE ONLY PRODUCING ABOUT 9% OF OUR AD VALOREM TAXES NOW. AUTOMATICALLY, WE'LL BE PAYING A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE TAXES. BUT THE ONE THING WE'VE BEEN SAYING IN OUR STRATEGIC PLANS AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS WE NEED TO ATTRACT BUSINESS INTO THE COUNTY TO INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF BUSINESS WE HAVE TO HELP WITH OUR TAX BASE. THIS PARTICULAR AMENDMENT DOES NOTHING. IT ACTUALLY WILL. INCREASED TAXES RELATIVELY FOR ALL THE BUSINESSES. 10% CAP BEING MOVED IS THE SCHOOLS ARE IMMUNE. IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GETTING FIVE BREAK BECAUSE OF THIS CHANGING. I CAN'T RAISE THEIR ASSESSMENT MORE THAN FIVE. RAISE THE MILLAGE CASH ON CASH. PERCENT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE TAX RATE. SO, DOES IT, IS IT A GOOD THING FOR BUSINESSES? YEAH. WHEN VALUES ARE GOING UP, IT CERTAINLY IS. ANYBODY WITH HOMESTEAD THAT'S BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, YOU HAVE A... P.I. OR 3%, WHICHEVER IS LESS, IN HOMESTEADERS. WELL, THE SAME THING WITH THE 10% CAP. WE PULL IT BACK AT 10%. WELL, THAT'LL GO TO 5%. SO IF THEY'VE BEEN HERE AND THE VALUES OF THEIR PROPERTY HAS GONE UP, IT'LL SLOW THE INCREASE DOWN, BUT IT DOES NOT LOWER THEIR TAXES. SO, I MEAN, IT IS A GOOD THING THAT YOU'RE SLOWING BUSINESS INCREASES DOWN, BUT THIS WILL MAKE YOU GUYS... MAKE SOME HARD DECISIONS, INCLUDING A MILLAGE RATE INCREASE. AND, OF COURSE, YOU'RE CONSTITUTIONALLY CAPPED 10%, 10 MILLS. YOU'RE AT, WHAT, FIVE, LESS THAN FIVE. SO YOU HAVE THE ABILITY. MOSQUITO CONTROL, THEY'RE .35 OF A MILL RIGHT NOW. AND THEY WERE VERY CONCERNED THEY WERE GOING TO HAVE TO LAY PEOPLE OFF. AND I SAID, WELL, IS WHAT YOU DO IMPORTANT? WELL, YES. ARE YOU WASTING MONEY? YOU HAVE PEOPLE JUST SITTING AROUND DOING NOTHING. I SAID, WELL THEN, KEEP ON DOING THIS BECAUSE I DON'T WANT TO DIE. AND I WON'T EVEN NOTICE WHEN YOU RAISE YOUR MILLAGE RATE A LITTLE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S KEY TO CONTROL AND FIND. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT I CALL ROUNDING ERRORS. BUT I MEAN, IT IS GOING TO CAUSE INCREASES, AND EVEN THEIR LITTLE INCREASE WILL AFFECT A BUSINESS. THEY DIDN'T GET THE BREAK. IF I GET THE BREAK, AND LET'S JUST PRETEND IT'S $2,500 THAT I SAVE, I'M GOING TO SEE A HIGHER MILLAGE RATE, SOME FEES. SO NOW I'M ONLY AT $2,000 IN SAVINGS. I'M NOT GOING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THAT. I'M STILL SAVING SOME. BUT EVERYBODY ELSE IS GOING TO PAY MORE. SO I'M GIVING MYSELF THE GIFT AT THE EXPENSE OF OTHERS, INCLUDING TENANTS, WHICH TO ME IS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WHEN I TALK ABOUT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT YOU CAN BUY A HOUSE FOR UNDER $400,000. I'M TALKING ABOUT SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO LIVE WITHOUT ASSISTANCE. THEY'RE BEING HELPED, YOU KNOW, SUBSIDIZED APARTMENTS, RENTALS, WHATEVER. IT'S GOING TO HURT. THOSE BECAUSE I MEAN THE EXPENSES ARE GOING UP AND IT'S

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NOT JUST YOU GUYS IT'LL BE THE COUNTY IT'LL BE YOU KNOW FLAGLER BEACH EVERYONE'S GOING TO SUFFER AND IT'S A QUESTION OF US MAKING DECISIONS AND YOU GUYS MAKING DECISIONS WHAT DO WE WANT NOT WANT WHAT ARE THE YOU KNOW I SAID DO YOU GO TO THE LIBRARY THAT'S A DECISION YOU'RE GOING TO BUILD AN ANIMAL SHELTER YOU KNOW, WE HAD SOMEONE TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR ANIMALS AND THIS STUFF. WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LESS MONEY FOR ALL OF THAT. AND ONE THING ABOUT THE BILL, IT HAS A LIST OF WHAT IT SEES AS CORE SERVICES. AND YOU CANNOT SPEND TAX DOLLARS ON THINGS THAT ARE NOT LISTED. AND I MEAN, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO. I MEAN, CAN THE COUNTY PUT MONEY INTO THE LIBRARY? IT'S NOT A CORE SERVICE, SO IT'S GOING TO HAVE A LOT OF EFFECTS, AND I DON'T KNOW. UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S A CHANCE THIS IS GOING TO PASS. IN 1992, WE ADDED SAVE OUR HOMES, THE 3% CAP, WHICH WASN'T REALLY A HEAVY LIFT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T TAKE ALL THE MONEY AWAY. IT JUST PREVENTED INCREASES ON THE PEOPLE THAT WERE PERMANENT RESIDENTS. WELL... THAT PASSED IN 92, I BELIEVE, 91, 92, BY, IT WAS A 53% THAT SAID YES TO THAT. AND TODAY IT TAKES 60%. SO, WHETHER IT PASSES OR NOT, RIGHT NOW IT'S POLLING AS WE TALK ABOUT. POLLS THAT SAY IT WILL PASS, DEPENDS ON WHERE IT IS. SOME SAY THAT IT'S GOING TO COME UP SLIGHTLY SHORT. IT'S HELL BUT TIME. COUNCILMAN GABRIEL DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING I DID THANK YOU MR. MAYOR MR. GARNER THANKS FOR SPENDING SOME TIME WITH US THIS MORNING AND BREAKING DOWN THE ANALYSIS BY MUNICIPALITY COMPARISON EVERYTHING ELSE UM YOU BRING UP SOME GREAT POINTS AND ESPECIALLY FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE AS SOMEBODY THAT HAS TO ADMINISTER YOU KNOW THIS NEW POLICY COMING DOWN THE IMPACT THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE NOT ONLY FOR RENTALS BUT LET'S SAY THERE'S A SNOWBIRD THAT DIDN'T HOMESTEAD HERE IN FLORIDA RIGHT THEY'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO PAY FOR IT WE'VE GOT YOU KNOW QUITE A BIT QUITE A BIT OF SNOWBIRDS THAT GO BACK AND FORTH HERE IN OUR COMMUNITY. SO I THINK YOU HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD WITH REGARDS TO DECISIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE. DO WE INCREASE THE MILLAGE JUST A LITTLE BIT OR DO WE CUT SERVICES? THAT'S KIND OF THE CHOICE OF WHERE WE'RE AT. DO WE INCREASE THE MILLAGE A LITTLE BIT JUST TO PROVIDE FOR WHAT WE ARE NOW PROVIDING FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE? AND SO THESE ARE ALL IMPORTANT DECISIONS THAT WE'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT. THROUGH BUT APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND CERTAINLY THE ANALYSIS THAT YOU PRESENTED SIR THANK YOU THANK YOU SIR LAST MAYOR THANK YOU SO I REALLY APPRECIATE MR. GARDNER YOU PROVIDING A MORE SPECIFIC I THINK CALCULATION OF THE IMPACT THIS SEEMS TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH WHAT I'VE KIND OF LOOKED AT AS WELL YOU KNOW JUST SPECIFIC TO THIS CONVERSATION AND AS WE TALKED ABOUT THE BUDGET TODAY I'M NOT BASING ANY OF MY OPINIONS ON ANY PODCASTERS OR ANY, I SHOULD SAY, LOBBYISTS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. MY POSITIONS ARE GOING TO BE BASED ON WHAT I BELIEVE FROM A PHILOSOPHICAL AND A POLICY STANDPOINT. I RECOGNIZE THE IMPACT THAT THIS WILL HAVE. I THINK THAT WHEN WE TALK ABOUT CORE GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS, WE REALLY NEED TO GET BACK TO THAT AND WHAT THAT MEANS AND WHAT IT SHOULD PROVIDE FOR. ALSO FEEL BASED ON THIS, THAT THIS IS AN ATTEMPT TO PROMOTE HOME OWNERSHIP AND HOMESTEADING HERE IN FLORIDA RATHER THAN PROMOTING VACATION RENTALS, RENTAL PROPERTIES, LARGE COMPANIES COMING IN AND PURCHASING UP A BUNCH OF PROPERTIES AND THEN RENTING THEM OUT, WHICH I DON'T THINK ANY OF US ARE FANS OF. SO I DO THINK THAT WE WILL SEE SOME PRETTY STIFF IMPACTS TO OUR BUDGETS. AND I DO THINK THAT THIS BILL COULD CERTAINLY BE IMPROVED. I'M NOT A FAN OF EVERYTHING THAT IS WRITTEN IN IT, HOW IT'S STRUCTURED. BUT IT'S A CATALYST FOR CHANGE. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH THE CURRENT... STRUCTURE OF THINGS BASED ON THE FACT THAT WE'VE SEEN PROPERTY TAX RATE DECREASES. THIS BOARD HAS DONE IT, YET PROPERTY TAXES HAVE STILL INCREASED BECAUSE OUR VALUES HAVE INCREASED. AND TO ME, THAT'S A FUNDAMENTAL FLAW IN THE SYSTEM. SO, YOU KNOW, IF A BOARD DECREASES THE PROPERTY TAX RATE, BUT BECAUSE THE VALUES ARE STILL GOING UP BASED ON THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S VERY LEGITIMATE VALUES, YOU'RE STILL SEEING A QUOTE-UNQUOTE...

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PROPERTY TAX INCREASE. SO I THINK SOMETHING'S GOT TO GIVE, SOMETHING'S GOT TO CHANGE. WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THIS, I DON'T KNOW. BUT I ALSO DO THINK THAT THIS IS PROVOKING VERY IMPORTANT THOUGHT. THIS IS A THOUGHT-PROVOKING EXERCISE THAT ALL OF US ARE HAVING TO ENGAGE IN TO FORCE US TO SAY WHAT IS NECESSARY, WHAT SHOULD THE GOVERNMENT TRULY BE DOING VERSUS WHAT SHOULD WE PUT OUT TO THE PRIVATE MARKET AND WHAT PRIVATE-PUBLIC PARTNERSHIPS SHOULD WE BE LOOKING AT IN ORDER TO TAKE ON SOME OF THE FUNCTIONS THAT I THINK GOVERNMENT HAS GOTTEN TOO BIG TO SUBSUME. SO I'M TAKING THIS VERY SERIOUSLY. I, AGAIN, REALLY APPRECIATE YOU PROVIDING THESE NUMBERS BECAUSE I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OUR GOVERNMENTS START TO PLAN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER FOR THESE FISCAL IMPACTS. AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH ALL OF OUR CONSTITUTIONALS, INCLUDING YOURSELF, IN TRYING TO FIGURE ALL THIS OUT. THERE'S GOING TO BE SOME CHALLENGES. AND EVEN IF IT DOESN'T PASS, AGAIN, I THINK THAT THIS IS A THOUGHT-PROVOKING EXERCISE THAT IS FORCING ALL OF US TO REALLY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE SPENDING MONEY ON AND MAKE SURE THAT IF IT'S NOT THIS, IT COULD BE SOMETHING ELSE. YOU'RE RIGHT IN YOUR STATEMENTS THAT IT TOOK A LOT TO GET THIS ON THE BALLOT. WE'VE SEEN THINGS DISCUSSED BEFORE, AND THEY'VE NEVER MADE IT TO THIS POINT. SO TO ME, THE WRITING'S ON THE WALL. THE COLLIGNMENT THAT WE ARE HAVING TO OPERATE IN RIGHT NOW IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN IT USED TO BE. SO I THINK IT'S JUST REALLY IMPORTANT THAT ALL OF US KIND OF GET READY TO GET ELBOW DEEP AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE WE ARE FUNDING WHAT'S ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY. SO THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, AND THANK YOU FOR THIS INFORMATION. SO WITH THE EQUATION, IT'S JANUARY. JANUARY ROLLING BACK AND STOPPING AND LOOKING AND SAYING, OKAY, WE NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY TO FUND THIS AND YOU TELL THE PEOPLE HERE WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND YOU RAISE THE MILLAGE RATE TO PAY FOR THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT. I MEAN, YOU GUYS ARE SPENDING MONEY. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY A BUDGET PROCESS SHOULD WORK. IT TENDS TO BE MORE LIKE, HOW MUCH MORE MONEY ARE WE GETTING? YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I'VE SEEN IN MY YEARS IN OFFICE. WHEN I FIRST STARTED, I RAISED THE VALUE, TAXABLE VALUE, 38% IN MY FIRST YEAR. AND THE COUNTY, THEY PATTED HIMSELF ON THE BACK AND BRAGGED ABOUT THEIR LOW MILLAGE RATE, AND THEY HAD PROCEEDED TO LOWER THEIR MILLAGE RATE 4%. I RAISED VALUE 38% TAXABLE, AND THEY LOWERED IT 4%. I'M NOT I'M FROM MISSISSIPPI, SO I'M A LITTLE SLOW, BUT LET'S JUST ROUND IT TO 34% INCREASE. AND THEY'RE BRAGGING. AND I REMEMBER GOING, AND I WASN'T GOING TO THEIR MEETINGS BECAUSE IT'S NOT MY BUDGET. AND SO I CALLED UP THE COMMISSIONERS AT THAT POINT AND SAID, IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S EVER SAID AGAIN, I'M THE NEXT GUY ON THE PODIUM. AND I WAS NEW TO THIS, AND I UNDERSTOOD THAT. AND THAT WAS OUR ELECTED BODY, AND THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. THEY THOUGHT THEY HAD DONE SOMETHING GOOD BY LOWERING THE MILLAGE RATE. 4% VERSUS A 38% INCREASE IN VALUE. SO THAT'S THE WAY YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT IT. WHAT IS YOUR BUDGET? AND THEN YOU TURN AROUND AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT'S WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE CITY THAT WE GET TO MULTIPLY BY. SO WHAT MILLAGE RATE WILL FUND OUR BUDGET? AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S A MATTER OF YOU GUYS DECIDING. AND THE SYSTEM ITSELF... I MEAN, HOW MANY PEOPLE IN HERE, RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU PAID IN SALES TAX THIS YEAR. AND ALSO, WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THAT MONEY FROM? TALLAHASSEE. SO I GUESS YOU SEND SOMEONE UP THERE TO BEG. THAT'LL BE MIKE'S NEW JOB, BEGGING FOR MONEY AT TALLAHASSEE. SO TAXES HAVE ALWAYS BEEN A VERY STABLE SOURCE. IT'S NOT AFFECTED MUCH BY THE ECONOMY OR ANYTHING OR SALES

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TAX OR, YOU KNOW. TERRORISM, ANYTHING COULD SLOW DOWN TOURISM. SO IF YOU'RE TOTALLY RELIANT ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THEN YOU'RE GOING TO DEAL WITH THE ECONOMICS OF IT. SO YES, COULD THERE BE SOMETHING DIFFERENT? ABSOLUTELY. BUT THE SYSTEM ITSELF, THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT ARE MAD RIGHT NOW ARE THE NEW PEOPLE. BECAUSE ANYONE THAT WAS HERE PRIOR TO SAY 2020 COVID TIME, IN 21, WE HAD A HUGE VALUE INCREASE. IF YOU WERE ALREADY LIVING, THE NEW PEOPLE ARE THE ONES NEXT DOOR TO YOU LOOKING AT YOUR TAX BILL. I UNDERSTAND THAT. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, IT'S NOT FAIR. BUT RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU'RE GOING TO VOTE TO RAISE YOUR TAXES TO MAKE IT MORE FAIR. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I REALIZE THAT THERE'S AN INEQUITY IN OUR SYSTEM. BUT WE VOTED FOR THAT. WE VOTED TO GIVE A 100% VETERAN A TAX BILL OF ZERO. 100% DISABLED VETERAN PAYS NOTHING. THAT WAS OUR CHOICE WE MADE BECAUSE WE CARE ABOUT THEM. NOW WHEN WE DO THIS AND WE CHANGE IT, WELL RIGHT NOW THEY'RE NOT PAYING TAX. IF WE DO AWAY WITH TAXES, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO NOW? THE HIGHER SALES TAX AND FEES AND STUFF, THEY WILL PAY. SO THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF MOVING PARTS HERE THAT NO ONE'S TALKING ABOUT, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S A GOOD STRUCTURE. DO PEOPLE LIKE IT? WELL, I LISTEN TO SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS MADE, AND THEY DON'T MAKE SENSE. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND. IT'S GOING UP, IT'S GOING UP, IT'S GOING UP. HOW MUCH DOES IT GO UP? YOU HAVE A 3% CAP. I MEAN, THIS YEAR, THE HOMESTEADERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, THEIR BILL, THEIR ASSESSED VALUE WILL GO UP BY 2.7%. AND WHEN THEY COME IN MAD ABOUT THAT, WHAT I DO IS I DO THE CALCULATION OF ALL THE MONEY THEY'VE SAVED OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT YOU'RE ACTUALLY SAVING, AND YOU'RE STILL SAVING MONEY OVER THE GUY NEXT DOOR TO YOU THAT JUST MOVED HERE. SO, YES, YOU WENT UP SOME, BUT THAT'S THE WAY THE LAW WAS WRITTEN. IT RECAPTURED. SO IT'S NOT NEAR AS BAD FOR MOST OF THE RESIDENTS. MOST HOMESTEADERS DIDN'T GO TO TALLAHASSEE AND ASK FOR THIS. THE NEW PEOPLE, AND I FEEL THEIR PAIN. I UNDERSTAND. I FEEL IT. THEY ALL COME SEE ME. SO I DO GET TO TALK ABOUT IT. BUT ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, YOU DO YOUR BUDGET AND SPEND WISELY. WE SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM. IF YOU DO ROLLBACK WHEN YOU CAN, WE WOULDN'T BE SITTING HERE TODAY. I THINK Y'ALL DID ROLLBACK ONE TIME A FEW YEARS AGO. OTHER THAN THAT. AND I MEAN, I WON'T BE CUTTING MY BUDGET BECAUSE I'M UP LESS THAN A PERCENT. I'M LESS THAN INFLATION. I'VE GOT THE SAME EMPLOYEES I HAD 21 YEARS AGO, SAME NUMBER. BUT I MEAN, I TRY. AND LISTEN, I CAN REACH MY ARMS AROUND MY LITTLE BUDGET, OKAY, AND MY STAFF. IF SOMEONE GETS A NEW COMPUTER, I KNOW ABOUT IT. IT'S MY LITTLE OFFICE, RIGHT? YOU GUYS GOT DEPARTMENTS WAY BIGGER THAN ME. SO IT'S PROBABLY HARD KEEPING UP WITH EVERYTHING. YOU'VE BEEN VERY FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE, WHICH I CAN APPRECIATE AS A TAXPAYER, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. ANYWAY, IF YOU NEED ANYTHING ELSE ASSOCIATED WITH IT, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I TOLD TO MEET MIKE TODAY. THANK YOU. IF HE NEEDS ANYTHING, YOU ALL LET ME KNOW, OKAY? THANK YOU, MR. GARDNER. A WEALTH OF KNOWLEDGE. I WOULD SAY THAT MR. GARDNER IS RIGHT. IT'S NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE WHAT THE CONSTITUENTS VOTE ON. IF THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS CITY WANT TO VOTE, WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE. WE HAVE BEEN LUCKY SO FAR. WE HAVEN'T HAD THAT UTILITY FEE OR THE FPNL FEE OR THE FIRE SERVICE FEE. A LOT OF COMMUNITIES DOWN IN SOUTH FLORIDA HAVE ALL THOSE. THEY'RE BAKED IN. YOU SAID THE PERCENTAGE IS LIKE, WHAT, 16% DOESN'T HAVE THOSE FEES, ONE OR THE OTHER? UM SO UM IT'S REALLY IT REALLY IS A TAX BURDEN SHIFT I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT UM WE HAVE TO WORK WITH WHAT WE HAVE I THINK WE HAVE TO HOLD THE LINE THIS YEAR AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE ELECTION AND THE REFERENDUM SO IT'S GOING TO BE DIFFICULT SO WITH THAT BEING SAID MS. RAGSDALE, ARE YOU UP, OR ARE YOU HELENA? WHO'S UP? IT'LL BE ME. OH, YES, MA'AM. SO NOW WE'RE GOING TO BEGIN TO COVER THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES AND EXPENDITURES SO THIS SLIDE PROVIDES A BIG PICTURE VIEW OF THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES WHICH REFLECTS AN OVERALL INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY 4.6 MILLION OR 6.8 PERCENT. AD VALOREM REMAINS THE LARGEST REVENUE SOURCE FOR THE GENERAL FUND. THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 PROPERTY VALUES ARE BASED ON THE TAXABLE CERTIFICATION RECEIVED FROM THE PROPERTY APPRAISER'S OFFICE ON JULY 1ST.

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ASSESSED VALUE IS PROJECTED TO INCREASE BY 4.13% OVER FISCAL YEAR 2026. OF THAT INCREASE, APPROXIMATELY 4.83% IS ATTRIBUTABLE TO NEW CONSTRUCTION, MEANING EXISTING PROPERTIES EXPERIENCED A DECREASE OF 0.7%. A BALANCED FISCAL YEAR 2027 BUDGET WOULD REQUIRE A MILLAGE RATE OF 4.2296, GENERATING APPROXIMATELY $46.5 MILLION IN AD VALOREM REVENUES. ALL AD VALOREM REVENUES WOULD REMAIN IN THE GENERAL FUND. THERE IS NO PROPOSED TRANSFER TO STORMWATER WE WILL REVIEW PROPOSED MILLAGE OPTIONS AND PROPERTY TAX HISTORY LATER IN THIS PRESENTATION SO YOUR NEXT CATEGORY ARE STATE REVENUES HAVE SENT SALES TAX COMMUNICATION TAX AND STATE REVENUE SHARING WE ARE STILL WAITING FOR REVENUE PROJECTIONS FROM THE STATE WHICH WILL BE LATER IN JULY AND AUGUST WE HAVE BUILT CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATES FOR NOW, BASED ON HISTORICAL EXPERIENCE, HOWEVER, WE'RE NOT EXPECTING ANY SIGNIFICANT INCREASES. THEY'VE BEEN FAIRLY STABLE OVER THE PAST THREE YEARS. OTHER TAXES. THIS CATEGORY INCLUDES BUSINESS TAX, WHICH HAS REMAINED RELATIVELY FLAT AND STABLE, AND THE FIRE INSURANCE PREMIUM TAX THAT SUPPORTS THE SECTION 175 PENSION. ELENA, CAN I ASK A QUESTION? OF COURSE. I ASSUME MAYBE SOME OF THEM ARE DIFFERENT. IN TERMS OF STATE REVENUE, WHAT'S THE, HOW IS THAT DISTRIBUTED? WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE CALCULATIONS FOR? IT SEEMS STRANGE TO ME THAT, FOR INSTANCE, A HOUSE AND SALES TAX WOULD REMAIN RELATIVELY FLAT GIVEN THAT WE HAVE GROWTH IN POPULATION. YOU WOULD THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE GOODS AND SERVICES OCCUR, FOR INSTANCE, LATER ON. SO THIS IS THE PORTION OF THE STATE'S SIX. SO IT'S DETERMINED BY THE STATE HOW THEY ALLOCATE IT BACK TO MUNICIPALITIES AND COUNTIES. I DON'T BELIEVE IT'S RELATED TO HOW MUCH SALES IS COLLECTED WITHIN A SPECIFIC MUNICIPALITY. OUR SALES TAX, OUR TAXABLE SALES HAVE INCREASED, AND WE KEEP TRACK OF THOSE FOR THE SMALL COUNTY SURTAX. THAT'S OUR HALF CENT. THAT IS USED TO SUPPORT THE CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND AND THAT ONE HAS BEEN INCREASED THIS IS THE PORTION THAT IS DETERMINED BY THE STATE OF HOW THEY DISTRIBUTE SO THERE'S NO STRICT FORMULA ON HOW THE STATE PASSES THAT BACK YES THEY HAVE A FORMULA THAT THEY USE BUT I THINK IT'S BELIEVED ON OVERALL WHAT THEY COLLECT FOR THE YEAR OVERALL GROWTH WITHIN THE STATE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY LOCALIZED TO US YES WE CAN CERTAINLY SEND YOU THE INFORMATION THEY SEND US A BOOKLET EVERY YEAR THAT THAT HAS ALL THE DETAILS. WELL, IT WOULD MAKE SENSE IF IT'S NOT A STRICT FORMULA THAT THEY AND THEY CAN ALLOCATE AS THEY SEE FIT THAT IT MAKES SENSE THAT POTENTIALLY THEY'RE NOT ALLOCATING IT. I WAS JUST WONDERING ABOUT THAT. I KIND OF STOOD OUT THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS ARE KIND OF BASED ON VOLUME AND THE VOLUMES GOING UP, BUT THE NUMBERS THAT WE COLLECT ARE NOT GOING UP. NO, SIR, THEY'RE NOT. OKAY, THANK YOU. AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, MORE IMPORTANT THIS YEAR WITH ALL THE CHANGES THAT THEY'RE MAKING TO SEE WHAT THOSE ESTIMATES ARE GOING TO COME UP TO BE. PROBABLY AGAIN NOT UNTIL AUGUST. SOMETIMES THEY WILL RELEASE THEM LATE JULY AND THEN REVISE THEM IN AUGUST AND THEY'VE HAD THEM REVISED AS EARLY AS LATE AS SEPTEMBER SO BUT WE'LL DEFINITELY KEEP YOU UPDATED. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. PERMITS AND FEES SO THIS CATEGORY INCLUDES PLANNING AND ZONING PERMIT FEES AS WELL AS FRANCHISE FEES. THE PROJECTED DECREASE IS A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL FACTORS. WE ARE EXPECTING A DECREASE IN PLANNING PERMIT REVENUES AS WELL AS A DECREASE IN RESIDENTIAL SITE INSPECTION FEES. FINES AND FORFEITURE, THIS CATEGORY INCLUDES CODE ENFORCEMENT FINES, ADMINISTRATIVE FEES, HAZARDOUS TREE REMOVAL COSTS, FIRE MITIGATION FEES, AND TRAFFIC FINES ISSUED BY THE FLAGLER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. CHARGES FOR SERVICES TOTAL APPROXIMATELY $8 MILLION. $3.2 MILLION ARE RELATED TO PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAM FEES, INCLUDING GOLF, TENNIS, POOL, AND RECREATION PROGRAMS. THESE WILL BE SHOWN IN DETAIL LATER IN THE PRESENTATION, BUT THE LARGEST INCREASE THANK

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YOU. IS IN EXPECTED GOLF COURSE REVENUES. $4.1 MILLION COMES FROM INTERNAL SERVICE ALLOCATIONS FOR THE CITY DEPARTMENTS COVERING ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES AND FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES, AS THOSE ARE FUNDED 100% FROM THE GENERAL FUND. OTHER REVENUES INCLUDE INTEREST ON INVESTMENTS, FACILITY RENTS, INSURANCE SETTLEMENTS, AND OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUNDS. SO ANNUALLY AND AFTER THE AUDIT IS COMPLETED AND PRESENTED TO COUNCIL, WE ANALYZE... PRIOR YEARS AVAILABLE FUND BALANCE AS PART OF THE BUDGET PROCESS AND IDENTIFY USES ACCORDING TO POLICY FOR ANY AMOUNTS OVER THE REQUIRED MAXIMUM. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027, WE ARE PROPOSING THE APPROPRIATED FUND BALANCE OF A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION TO BE USED AS FOLLOWS. SO MAINTAIN THE ANNUAL CONTINGENCY FOR REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FLUCTUATIONS, THE PROPERTY TAX VALUE ADJUSTMENT CONTINGENCY. CARRYOVER ITEMS FROM FISCAL YEAR 26 FOR THE LAND DEVELOPMENT CODE AND TECHNICAL MANUAL UPDATE. ECONOMIC DEPARTMENT INCENTIVES. THIS YEAR WE ARE PROPOSING 2% OF THE FISCAL YEAR, THE GENERAL FUND, FISCAL YEAR 2026 GENERAL FUND BUDGET. COMPENSATED ABSENCES FOR RETIREMENTS. CHARTER AMENDMENT, PARK MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT, SOFTWARE UPGRADES, AND FUNDING A FIRE FUNDING OPTIONS FEE STUDY. WE WILL GO INTO DETAILS OF IN THE AMOUNTS WHEN WE GO OVER TO THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT BUDGETS. ELENA, GO BACK TO THAT REAL QUICK. FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS SLIDE, 2027 PROPOSED, AVALON 46558363. THAT'S THE PORTION OF THE GENERAL FUND THAT IS COMING FROM THE PUBLIC. THEY'RE PROPERTY TAXES, RIGHT? CORRECT. I JUST WANT THEM TO KNOW THAT. OKAY, OF THE TOTAL, OUR GENERAL FUND REVENUE AT THE BOTTOM, 72,204,574, DO YOU KNOW OFFHAND EXACTLY, BALLPARK IT, HOW MUCH OF THAT $72 MILLION GOES TO PEOPLE, SALARIES AND BENEFITS? CAN YOU GIVE US AN ESTIMATE OF THAT? I COULD BRING IT AT YOUR NEXT PRESENTATION IF YOU WOULD LIKE THAT. BECAUSE I THINK THE GENERAL PUBLIC NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND WHERE THAT MONEY GOES. AND I'M ASSUMING A VERY LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THAT GOES STRICTLY FOR PERSONNEL AND BENEFITS WITHIN THE CITY'S BUDGET, CORRECT? SO AS WE GO, YES, AS WE GO THROUGH THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENT BUDGETS, YOU WILL SEE THAT BREAKDOWN. I JUST DON'T HAVE A SLIDE THAT TOTALS ALL OF IT. OKAY. WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO HAVE THAT. HOW MUCH OF THE TOTAL GENERAL FUND GOES TO SALARIES AND BENEFITS STRICTLY FOR PERSONNEL? YEP. AND IT'S KIND OF EYE-OPENING FOR YOU. BUT FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, THE PORTION YOU PAY IN AS A WHOLE IS $46,558,363. THAT'S HOW MUCH MONEY THE CITY IS GETTING FROM YOUR PROPERTY TAX. I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU. YOU CAN GO RIGHT AHEAD. SORRY, MAYOR, MAY I ASK A QUESTION BASED ON WHAT SHE SAID EARLIER? SO YOU TALKED ABOUT FUND BALANCE. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FUND BALANCE OF $4.2 MILLION, BUT THERE'S A REQUEST TO ALLOCATE $2.074 MILLION AND SOME CHANGE. AND THEN THAT WOULD LEAVE A BALANCE OF $2 MILLION AT COUNCIL DISCRETION, WHICH COULD BE USED FOR SOME OF OUR OTHER STAT PRIORITIES, CORRECT? YES, THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, SO I WANT TO GET INTO THAT IN MORE DETAIL. WOULD THAT BE BETTER POISED FOR THE END OF THE PRESENTATION? I BELIEVE AS WE GO THROUGH OUR NON-GOVERNMENT, OUR NON-DEPARTMENT GENERAL FUND BUDGET, WE CAN BRING THAT UP AT THAT POINT. OKAY. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE I'M HITTING IT AT THE RIGHT SPOT. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO THIS SLIDE PROVIDES HIGH-LEVEL SUMMARY OF THE GENERAL FUND EXPENDITURES. THE DEPARTMENT DIRECTORS WILL GO OVER DETAIL ON THEIR INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS, SO I'LL KEEP THIS OVERVIEW BRIEF. TOTAL GENERAL FUND BUDGET, AGAIN, $72 MILLION, INCREASE OF $4.6 MILLION, OR 6.8%. COMPARED TO FISCAL YEAR 2026. WE ARE WORKING CLOSELY WITH RISK MANAGEMENT AND OUR INSURANCE PROVIDERS TO REVIEW OUR NEEDS AS A CITY, AS WELL AS BALANCE INCREASES THAT WE HAVE EXPERIENCED. SO RISK MANAGEMENT IS REVIEWING IN DETAIL THE INSURANCE PROVIDER SUPPLIED LIST OF INSURED PROPERTY AND PREMIUM PER ITEM. THIS IS GOING TO ALLOW US TO BETTER BALANCE INSURANCE COSTS AND MITIGATE LOSSES. SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 27, WE ARE UPDATING OUR INSURANCE ALLOCATIONS. AND AS A RESULT, SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT BUDGETS ARE GOING TO BE INCREASING WHILE OTHERS ARE DECREASING, BUT OVERALL THE COST WILL STILL BE THE SAME. WE WILL NOW MOVE FORWARD INTO

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GENERAL FUND DETAILED REVIEW. THE BUDGET WORKSHEETS WERE PROVIDED TO COUNCIL AND THE PUBLIC AS PART OF THE AGENDA PACKAGE. SO THIS SLIDE PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF GENERAL FUND POSITIONS. THERE ARE NO NEW POSITIONS REQUESTED FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027. WE WILL REVIEW POSITION DETAILS WITHIN EACH DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET. THERE WAS A TYPO ON THIS SLIDE IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET AND THIS SLIDE HAS BEEN CORRECTED AS YOU SEE THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT FTE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2027 SHOULD BE 55.15 FOR AN INCREASE OF 1.98 FTES. THIS IS DUE TO THE NEW ALLOCATION OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT TECHNICIANS BETWEEN PLANNING AND BUILDING. WE ARE ALSO MOVING A MARKETING POSITION FROM PARKS AND RECREATION TO COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS. IF THE INCOME THAT WE'RE SEEING COME IN FOR PERMITS, FEES, ET CETERA, HAS DECREASED, WHY ARE WE ADDING EMPLOYEES FOR COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT? SO JOHN ZOBLER IS GOING TO BE REVIEWING THAT PORTION. AND HE'LL GO OVER THE RATIONALE BEHIND THE ALLOCATION. BUT THEY'RE BASICALLY PART OF A PROGRAM WHERE THEY WERE TRAINED TO GET TO THIS POINT. GOT IT. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO ADMINISTRATIVE... MR. MAYOR, I HAVE A QUESTION. DO YOU LADIES MIND GOING BACK A COUPLE SLIDES? UP RIGHT THERE. BASED ON THE... I'M LOOKING AT BETWEEN PUBLIC SAFETY. SO MAYOR, TO YOUR POINT ON TRYING TO GET OUT WHERE THE MONEY'S GOING, RIGHT? SO PUBLIC SAFETY, BOTH FIRE AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND JUST IN PUBLIC WORKS, THAT'S ABOUT 63-ISH PERCENT OF OUR BUDGET RIGHT THERE VERSUS 9% ON ADMINISTRATIVE. OKAY. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT JUST KIND OF, YOU KNOW. IN LARGE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE AS WE LOOK AT THIS BUDGET. OVER 63 PERCENT IS JUST GOING TO PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS OUR NUMBER ONE. NINE PERCENT IS IN, WE'LL BEAR IT HERE AS WE GO. IT'S A LOT, RIGHT? AND THOSE ARE THE BASIC SERVICES THAT OUR RESIDENTS EXPECT, YOU KNOW, TO BE PROTECTED, FIRE, FROM EVERYTHING ELSE. AND ALSO... THE APPEAL OF WHAT BRINGS US TO PALM COAST, WHICH IS HOW IT LOOKS, RIGHT? HIS TEAM IN THE BACK, THEY DO A GREAT JOB WORKING NONSTOP, TRYING TO CATCH UP TO THE GRASS GROWING, YOU KNOW, CRAZY RIGHT IN THE SUMMER. I THINK THAT'S A GOOD, FOR THE PUBLIC'S BENEFIT, NOT JUST SALARIES, LOOKING AT WHERE, YOU KNOW, WHERE WE PUBLIC OFFICIALS HAVE A RESPONSE. AND A CRITICAL IMPORTANCE AND WE'RE PART OF THAT $72,000, 63% OF IT IS GOING TO PUBLIC SAFETY AND PUBLIC. OKAY, SO ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES INCLUDE CITY COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER, CITY CLERK, RISK MANAGEMENT, HUMAN RESOURCES, COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING, CITY ATTORNEY AND FINANCIAL SERVICES. SO THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 PROPOSED BUDGET. FOR THESE DEPARTMENTS TOTAL $7.1 MILLION, AN INCREASE OF APPROXIMATELY 3.9%. WE WILL WALK THROUGH EACH DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET ON THE FOLLOWING SLIDES. CITY COUNCIL'S PRIORITIES 8, 09, AND 10, AS NOTED ON THE SLIDE, ARE FUNDED AS FOLLOWS. SO PRIORITY 8, CURRENTLY HR IS LEADING A SALARY SURVEY ANALYSIS. ANY RECOMMENDATIONS ARE STILL PENDING AND ARE NOT INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET. PRIORITY 9, WE ADDED $100,000 FROM FUND BALANCE FOR FIRE FUNDING OPTIONS ANALYSIS. PRIORITY 10, WE HAVE ADDED $50,000 FOR GRANT WRITING SERVICES. WE WILL BEGIN WITH THE CITY COUNCIL BUDGET. THE FISCAL YEAR 2027 DECREASE IS PRIMARILY DUE TO THE CHARTER REVIEW COMMITTEE PROJECT BEING COMPLETED IN FISCAL YEAR 2026, SO YOU SEE A DECREASE OF 8.3%. THE CITY MANAGER AND CITY CLERK'S OFFICE BUDGET ARE INCREASING DUE TO THE REALIGNMENT OF THE RISK MANAGEMENT, WHICH MOVED FROM HUMAN RESOURCES TO THE CITY MANAGER'S OFFICE. THIS BUDGET ALSO REFLECTS THE CONTINUED UNFUNDING OF THE

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GRANTS COORDINATOR POSITION AT APPROXIMATELY $100,000. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS BUDGET. DO WE CURRENTLY HAVE A CITY MANAGER CONTINGENCY THAT COMES OUT OF THIS BUDGET? SO THE CITY MANAGER CONTINGENCY IS HOUSED IN NON-DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET. AND IF THERE IS A NEED TO USE THAT CONTINGENCY, WE HAVE A BUDGET TRANSFER PROCESS WITH APPROVALS TO MOVE IT TO THE DEPARTMENT'S INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS. OKAY, SO IN THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU HAVE A NON-DEPARTMENTAL SLIDE, RIGHT? OKAY, SO I'LL HOLD OFF UNTIL THEN. I JUST HAVE A QUESTION. IN TERMS OF THE RISK MANAGEMENT POSITION, WHAT WAS THE SALARY FOR THAT POSITION? CAN GIVE YOU THE OVERALL, IT'LL INCLUDE SALARY AND IT WILL INCLUDE THE OPERATION. YEAH, THAT'S FINE. OKAY, ONE, TWO, TWELVE. OKAY, SO THAT'S EVERYTHING INVOLVED WITH RISK MANAGEMENT. THAT IS CORRECT. THANK YOU. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE, THIS IS WHAT I MEANT BY WE HAVE THE BREAKDOWN BETWEEN PERSONNEL SERVICES, OPERATING EXPENDITURES, INTERNAL SERVICE FUND ALLOCATIONS, AND INTER-FUND TRANSFERS. FOR EACH DEPARTMENT BUDGET WE JUST DIDN'T HAVE AN OVERALL TOTAL AT THE END THE CITY ATTORNEY'S BUDGET IS INCREASING DUE PROJECTED DUE TO SPECIFIC LEGAL CASES TYPES NOT COVERED UNDER THE RETAINER CONTRACT YOU ALSO SEE THE SAME INCREASE IN FISCAL YEAR 2026 PROJECTED BUDGET HOW DO WE ANTICIPATE PAYING FOR THIS FIFTY THOUSAND DOLLAR OVERAGE IN THIS FISCAL YEAR SO WE'RE PROJECTING IT TO GO OVER, RIGHT, BY $50,000? THAT IS CORRECT. WE ARE PROJECTING IT TO GO OVER. THAT'S WHY WE'RE REQUESTING AN ADDITIONAL $50,000. FOR NEXT YEAR, RIGHT. THAT IS CORRECT. BUT WHAT ARE WE PULLING? YEAH, WHAT ARE WE PULLING FROM THIS YEAR IN ORDER TO COVER THAT ANTICIPATED OVERAGE? SO PART OF THE ACTION THAT YOU TAKE IN SEPTEMBER IS TO ADOPT THE 2027 BUDGET, BUT IT'S ALSO TO AMEND YOUR FISCAL YEAR 2026 BUDGET. SO PART OF THAT AMENDMENT WILL BE THE ADDITIONAL LEGAL COST TO THE CITY ATTORNEY. RIGHT, BUT WHERE WILL THAT MONEY COME FROM? SO PART OF IT WILL COME FROM THE CITY MANAGER CONTINGENCY, AND THE OTHER PART WILL COME FROM UNBUDGETED REVENUES. FOR INSTANCE, YOUR INTEREST INCOME ON SHORT-TERM INVESTMENTS IS COMING IN HIGHER. SO WHAT WE DO IS WE RECOGNIZE THE ADDITIONAL INTEREST INCOME REVENUE. AND THEN WE REDUCE YOUR APPROPRIATED FUND BALANCE. THAT'S ALL PART OF YOUR ACTION ON THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. WILL WE SEE THE ANTICIPATED INTEREST FUND INCOME IN THIS PRESENTATION TODAY FOR FISCAL YEAR 27? YES, MA'AM. IT'S PART OF, IF WE GO BACK TO THE SLIDE ON THE GENERAL FUND REVENUES, SO RIGHT THERE WHERE IT TALKS ABOUT OTHER REVENUES, THAT INCLUDES A POOL OF OPIOID FACILITY RENTS AND INTEREST INCOME. YOU SEE THAT YOUR ADOPTED BUDGET WAS AT $459,000, AND THEN OUR ESTIMATE IS AT $1.2 MILLION. SO THAT'S ADDITIONAL REVENUE. IT'S LITERALLY RELATED TO INTEREST INCOME ON SHORT-TERM INVESTMENTS. OKAY, SO THAT TOTAL NUMBER IS THAT, OR IS THAT? THE INCREASE IS PRETTY MUCH THAT. OKAY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS WONDERING, BECAUSE I KNOW YOU SAID IT WAS A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. SO THE COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING BUDGET IS INCREASING DUE TO MOVING THE MULTIMEDIA POSITION FROM PARKS AND REC WHILE UNFUNDING A COMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST POSITION. THIS BUDGET ALSO REFLECTS HIGHER COST IN INTERNAL ALLOCATIONS FOR FACILITIES AND IT. THE HUMAN RESOURCES BUDGET DECREASED BY $109,000. THE RISK MANAGEMENT HAD BEEN MOVED FROM THE MOVED FROM HERE TO THE CITY MANAGER'S BUDGET AS NOTED EARLIER. THE HUMAN RESOURCES SPECIALIST WAS UNFUNDED IN FY2026 AND WILL REMAIN UNFUNDED FOR FY2027 DUE TO BUDGET CONSTRAINTS. THE FINANCE BUDGET INCREASE IS PRIMARILY DUE TO REGULAR SALARY AND BENEFIT ADJUSTMENTS. THE INTERFUND TRANSFER TO IT SUPPORT NECESSARY SOFTWARE UPGRADES. THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGEMENT AND ENGINEERING BUDGET DECREASE IS PRIMARILY DUE TO UNFUNDING A PROJECT MANAGER 3 POSITION FOR FISCAL YEAR

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2027. WE WILL NOW REVIEW THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUDGET. SO THIS SLIDE WAS PRESENTED TO COUNSEL BY THE SHERIFF ON JUNE 15TH. THE SHERIFF REQUESTS INCLUDE THE CONTRACTED INCREASE. THE COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENT STEP INCREASE IN THE 20% INCREASE TO HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS AND THE ADDITION OF NINE NEW DEPUTIES. THE LAW ENFORCEMENT BUDGET AS PRESENTED TODAY IS INCREASING BY 8.7 PERCENT. THIS BUDGET INCLUDES ONLY THE CONTRACTUAL INCREASE AND DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY FUNDING FOR THE NINE DEPUTIES REQUESTED. DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE OTHER DEPARTMENT SO JUST FOR CLARITY HERE UM WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE BUDGETS RIGHT NOW BUT EVENTUALLY WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT THE PROPOSED MILLAGE THE PROPOSED MILLAGE IS ONLY INCLUDING THE COST OF THE, THE COST INCREASES OF THE EXISTING SERVICES IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NEW DEPUTIES OKAY, I WANT TO TURN IT OVER TO JOHN ZOBLER, THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. GOOD MORNING, JOHN. GOOD MORNING, JOHN ZOBLER, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. PLANNING CHANGE HERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A $422,000 INCREASE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, AND THAT COMES FROM THE REALLOCATION OF SALARIES AND BENEFITS FOR TWO PERMIT CLERKS. PREVIOUSLY, THE FOUR PERMIT CLERKS WERE PROVIDED FOR UNDER THE... BUILDING ENTERPRISE FUND SPENT OVERSTRAINING THE PERMIT CLERKS TO HANDLE BOTH SHIFTED. SO ARE WE TECHNICALLY ADDING ANY NEW POSITIONS? OKAY, THAT WAS A LITTLE UNCLEAR. I PUT THIS ON THE WRONG SLIDE. SO HERE'S THE PERSONNEL ALLOCATION THAT HE WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THAT'S ALLOCATED TO PLANNING. IT'S ON THE CODE SLIDE VERSUS PLANNING, WHERE IT SHOULD BE. YES. THOSE ARE THE ADJUSTMENTS, THE SHIFTS. GOT IT. OKAY. THAT DOES CLEAR THINGS UP. OKAY. AND THEN THE $407,000. FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. WHAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT CHANGE, THAT INCREASE? WE HAD A MEETING LAST WEEK WITH THE ANIMAL CONTROL. OUR CONTRACT EXPIRES ON OCTOBER 8TH WITH FLORIDA HUMANE SOCIETY. AND THEY'VE INFORMED US AT THAT MEETING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE GOING TO A FULL-COST ACCOUNTING SYSTEM. WE CURRENTLY PAY $156 PER STRAY ANIMAL. THEY ANTICIPATE UNDER THEIR FULL-COST ACCOUNTING SYSTEM, THEIR COST GOES TO $392.64, WHICH IS A DOUBLING. MORE THAN A DOUBLING OF FEE. I'VE ASKED THEM FOR ADDITIONAL DETAIL OF THAT ANALYSIS TO LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS, BUT THAT'S LARGELY WHERE... HAVE WE GOTTEN THAT DETAIL? NO, WE JUST HAD THE FIRST MEETING LAST WEEK. THEY INFORMED US OF THAT. I WROTE THEM BACK AN EMAIL RESPECTFULLY REQUESTING ADDITIONAL DETAIL ABOUT THAT INCREASE. SO THE $407,919, THAT'S PURELY... IS THAT THE FULL AMOUNT ACCREDITED TO... TO THAT INCREASE, THAT CONTRACTUAL INCREASE? I ASKED THE BUDGET OFFICE TO DOUBLE THE CURRENT EXPENSE OF OUR CONTRACT, WHICH IS $156,000. SO THAT'S THE LION'S SHARE OF THAT. BASED ON THOSE RATES THAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE MORE THAN DOUBLE, LIKELY, UNLESS THERE WAS A REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF ANIMALS THAT WE TAKE. WE HAVEN'T FINISHED NEGOTIATIONS ON THAT. CLEARLY, IT'S AT LEAST DOUBLE. CAN YOU TELL ME THOSE RATES AGAIN, JOHN? THE THEY'RE TELLING US THAT THEIR COST PER STRAY ANIMAL IS THREE DOLLARS 392 DOLLARS AND 64 CENTS WE ARE CURRENTLY PAYING UH 156 DOLLARS PER DIDN'T THAT GO UP TOO WE JUST INCREASED IT YEAH FROM A PREVIOUS AMOUNT AND OUR OUR LICENSE TAG REVENUE CURRENTLY IS AT 171. YEAH, BECAUSE WE INCREASED THE LICENSE BASED ON WHAT THE HUMANE SOCIETY TOLD US THEIR COSTS WERE. SO THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR MODEL. THEY INDICATED THAT THEY'RE NO LONGER GOING TO SUBSIDIZE THE DONATIONS THAT WERE RECEIVED. THEY WANT TO DEDICATE THOSE DONATIONS TOWARDS A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN. AND FOR OUR SERVICES, THEY NEED TO GO TO FULL COST. SO RATHER THAN DOING A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN, THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE DONATIONS AND PUT THEM TOWARDS A CAPITAL CAMPAIGN.

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GOT IT. END. NOT PERFORMING THEIR MISSION OF HELPING ANIMALS WITH THOSE DONATIONS OKAY THIS TAX AS YOU CAN SEE REMAINS RELATIVELY FLAT UNDER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WE ARE ASKING UH CITY COUNCIL TO CONSIDER CARRYING OVER THE MONIES THAT YOU ALLOCATED LAST YEAR FOR OUR URBAN DOWNTOWN GRANT PROGRAM THAT THOSE GRANT PROCESS HAS GONE SLOWER THAN NORMAL THAT WE ANTICIPATED OR THEY ANTICIPATED. THAT'S LARGELY BECAUSE OF THE ARCHITECTURE THAT'S REQUIRED TO BUILD OUT THOSE COMMERCIAL UNITS UNDER THE GRANT PROGRAM. THEY CANNOT TELL US, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO TELL US WHAT THEIR MATCH IS FOR THE GRANT UNTIL THEY FINALIZE THOSE ENGINEERING DRAWINGS FOR EACH OF THOSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS. THEY CAN'T GIVE US THAT NUMBER SO THERE'S BEEN A DELAY IN THAT PROCESS ASKING TO CARRY THOSE. MR. ZELLER. SO IF WE DON'T CARRY OVER, WHAT ARE THE IMPACTS? COULD WE LOSE POTENTIAL TENANTS AT THE PROMENADE OR, YOU KNOW, WHEREVER WE'RE APPLYING THE TAX? CURRENTLY, THE GRANT EXPIRES ON AUGUST 15TH OF THIS YEAR. WE'LL BE COMING BACK TO YOU AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING REQUESTING EXTENSION OF THAT GRANT PROGRAM, BUT THE LEASES ARE ALREADY SLOWING DOWN BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GUARANTEE THAT THOSE GRANT FUNDS WILL BE AVAILABLE. OKAY. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. THANK YOU. SO IN TERMS OF THIS, HOW IT SHOWS ON HERE, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE PROPOSED IS REDUCED TO $865,000 BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO CARRY SOME OF THE FUNDS OVER FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S BUDGET? IS THAT WHAT I'M GETTING OUT OF THIS? PREVIOUSLY, CITY COUNCIL HAD ALLOCATED 3% OF THE ANNUAL BUDGET. WE'RE REDUCING THAT TO 2%. I DON'T HAVE AN IDENTIFIED USE FOR THAT. HOWEVER, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE FUNDS AVAILABLE AS TRACTION OF COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS BECOME MORE AND MORE. WHAT YOU'VE PROVIDED TO ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. RIGHT, SO I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS SO WE SET ASIDE MONEY FOR THESE GRANTS. THE MONEY SO FAR HAS NOT BEEN USED. WE HAVE AN EXPIRATION DATE. WE NEED TO EXTEND THE EXPIRATION DATE SO THAT WE CAN USE THOSE PREVIOUS FUNDED MONIES FOR THE SAME PROGRAM THAT HAVE YET TO BE USED BECAUSE OF THE DATES ASSOCIATED WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF PROMENADE. SO FOR THIS COMING BUDGET, WE'RE REDUCING THE AMOUNT WE'RE THROWING TOWARDS THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT YET FULLY USED THE PREVIOUS YEAR'S BUDGET. SO IF I MAY OFFER SOME CLARITY. SURE. SO YOUR CARRYOVER. OR WHAT'S GOING TO BE LEFT FOR THE GRANTS FOR THE YEAR HASN'T BEEN DETERMINED YET. SO WE'RE STILL LEAVING EVERYTHING WITHIN YOUR ESTIMATED 2026 BUDGET. THE 2027 BUDGET INCLUDES THE ALLOCATION FOR FISCAL YEAR 27 ONLY. AND IF YOU FLIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE, GWEN, SO WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS TO DO 2% OF THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET, WHICH IS THAT $850,000. SO THAT WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO ANY CARRYOVER THAT THEY WOULD HAVE FOR 2027. YEAH. THAT'S WHERE I WAS GETTING AT. IT WAS WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE MONEY FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR TO MOVE FORWARD, BUT WE'RE REDUCING WHAT WE'RE PUTTING ASIDE FOR THIS COMING YEAR BECAUSE OF THAT REASON. SO DO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF WHAT ACTUALLY HAS BEEN UTILIZED OUT OF THE INCENTIVES THAT WE ALLOCATED FOR FISCAL YEAR 26? I BELIEVE IT'S $33,000. AND THAT'S BECAUSE... WE'RE WAITING ON AN EXTENSION OF THE GRANT PROGRAM FOR THE BUSINESSES GOING INTO THE PROMENADE. YES. AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY ANTICIPATED FIGURE FROM THOSE YET. I DO NOT. WE KNOW WHAT THEY HAD FORECAST IN TERMS OF USE, WHETHER IT WAS A FULL-SCALE RESTAURANT, QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT, HOW THEY HAD ALLOCATED THOSE COMMERCIAL SPACES. THAT'S WHAT WE BASED OUR NUMBER ON. AS IT TURNS OUT, THEY'RE GETTING MORE OFFICE SPACE. SPACE APPARENTLY THAN WE ANTICIPATED. THEY'RE GETTING LESS RETAIL ATTAINMENT THAN WE HAD ANTICIPATED. SOME OF THE USES, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'RE GOING TO CONSUME THE MONEY THAT WAS ALLOCATED FOR THAT. IT'S SHIFTING, IT'S CHANGING. WE RESTRICTED, AGAIN, THE GRANT ELIGIBILITY TO FULL-SERVICE RESTAURANT, BAR, TAP ROOM, BREWERY, QUICK SERVICE RESTAURANT, AND RETAIL ATTAINMENT. SHIFTING MORE TOWARDS OTHER USES THAT DON'T QUALIFY AS RETAIL ATTAINMENT, JUST STRICTLY RETAIL. WHICH IS FRUSTRATING BECAUSE THAT WAS THE WHOLE REASON WE DID THE INCENTIVES WAS TO BRING THOSE BUSINESSES INTO THE COUNCIL. RIGHT, WE WANTED TO INCENTIVIZE THEM TO COME RATHER THAN STRAIGHT OFFICE. DO YOU ALL HAVE ANY PROJECTS OR IDEAS OF HOW YOU WOULD USE ECONOMIC DOLLARS THAT ARE

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ALLOCATED FOR FISCAL YEAR 27? WE ARE TRYING TO PURSUE AN AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNERS OF THE BEULAH CREEK PROPERTIES TO ENTER INTO AN AGREEMENT TO DO A FULL MARKET FEASIBILITY AND INFRASTRUCTURE STUDY FOR THAT PROPERTY DOWN THERE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY COST UP TO $225,000. AND WE DO HAVE ONE TENANT WHO WANTS TO BUILD ANOTHER 40,000 SQUARE FOOT SPEC BUILDING IN OUR CITY FOR INDUSTRIAL USE, AND HE IS REQUESTING YOU SOME ASSISTANCE. I HAVEN'T FINISHED THAT PROCESS, BUT I ANTICIPATE BRINGING THAT TO CITY COUNCIL. WE DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT THEY'D BE REQUESTING FOR THAT. $100,000. THANK YOU. AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BULOW CREEK, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOWN SOUTH OLD KINGS? YES, SIR. THANK YOU. AND OFF OF STATE ROAD 100. YEAH, THEY HAVE SOME FRONTAGE ON THAT CORNER. RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE WINN-DIXIE THERE. ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JOHN. THANK YOU, JOHN. I WANT TO PAUSE AND TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF BERRYHILL TO PRESENT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BUDGET. GOOD MORNING, CHIEF. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. KYLE BERRYHILL ON BEHALF OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO AS YOU CAN SEE ON THIS SLIDE, WE'VE ALWAYS REPRESENT HOW WE DESIGN OUR SYSTEM AS A THREE LEGGED STOOL OF STATIONS, TRUCKS AND PERSONNEL. SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TWO NEW FIRE STATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN CONSTRUCTED DURING THE FISCAL YEAR. UPDATES RELATED TO THE OPENING OF NEW STATION 22 WILL BE COMING TO YOU SHORTLY. WE THINK IT'S IN THE NEXT 30 DAYS THAT WE'RE MOVING IN. WE'VE ALREADY, IN THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, PURCHASED A NEW FIRE ENGINE TO REPLACE ENGINE 22 AND A NEW TOWER THAT WILL BE IN THAT SAME AREA THAT WE'RE DUE FOR REPLACEMENT THROUGH THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THROUGH THE FIRE. FLEET CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN THAT WE WORKED ON TOGETHER. THOSE HAVE BEEN PURCHASED AND PAID FOR AND ARE IN THE QUEUE. WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 18 MONTHS ON TOWER 24 AND ABOUT ANOTHER 24 MONTHS, I BELIEVE, ON ENGINE 22. AND THOSE TIMELINES, I JUST WAS WITH SOME OF THESE VENDORS, THOSE TIMELINES CONTINUE TO BE TIMELINES IN THE FIRE SERVICE, 40 TO 48 MONTHS ON A TOWER AND 36 MONTHS ON AN ENGINE. SO PLANNING AND HAVING A PLAN LIKE WE HAVE BEEN DOING IS THE WAY THAT WE CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE THINGS THAT ARE ABLE TO RESPOND WHEN WE NEED IT. AND THEN FROM A FIREFIGHTER STANDPOINT, THERE'S NO NEW POSITIONS PROPOSED IN THIS BUDGET FOR FY27. INCIDENT RESPONSES INCREASED. IN CALENDAR YEAR 2025, WE RAN 17,781 RESPONSES, A RECORD. RIGHT NOW WE'RE ON PACE FOR WELL OVER 18,000 RESPONSES. THE POMPOUS FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS THE HIGHEST ANNUAL CALL VOLUME IN THE DEPARTMENT'S 53-YEAR HISTORY. IT'S PART OF A CONTINUING TREND OF RECORD RESPONSE YEARS. WE CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, GWEN. WE'RE ON PACE TO EXCEL THAT CALL VOLUME BY WELL OVER 500 CALLS. AND SINCE THE FIRE ADMINISTRATION HAS TRANSITIONED IN 2022, ANNUAL CALL VOLUME HAS INCREASED BY APPROXIMATELY 25%. IT'S REQUIRED THE DEPARTMENT TO ACTIVATE AN ADDITIONAL RESPONSE ZONE WHILE PREPARING TO OPEN TWO LONG-PLANNED FIRE STATIONS. ONE IS IN SERVICE TODAY. DURING THAT TIME, WE DID DOWNGRADE FROM A DEDICATED LADDER COMPANY TO A CROSS-STAFFED LADDER COMPANY, AND THAT'S HOW WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT. WITH ONLY SIX OPERATIONAL POSITIONS, YOU SHOULD USUALLY THINK NINE OR 12 WHEN YOU OPEN A FIRE STATION. THEY WERE ADDED IN FY25 TO SUPPORT THE NEW RESPONSE AREA. LAST YEAR, WE ADDED A CLERK-LEVEL POSITION THAT IS PERFORMING ROUTINE TASKS AND INVENTORY MAINTENANCE AND ACTUALLY MAKING THINGS WAY BETTER. BUT DESPITE CONTINUED GROWTH IN EMERGENCY INCIDENTS, MUTUAL AID REQUESTS, AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE DEMANDS PLACED ON A MODERN FIRE DEPARTMENT. THE STATE OF FLORIDA'S RECENT DOJ REPORT EVALUATED LOCAL GOVERNMENT SPENDING AGAINST POPULATION GROWTH AND INFLATION. IT NOTED THAT SINCE 2020, FLORIDA EXPERIENCED APPROXIMATELY 10% POPULATION GROWTH AND 27% CUMULATIVE INFLATION. TO USE A SIMILAR FRAMEWORK, PALM COAST FIRE DEPARTMENT DEMAND HAS GROWN AT A SUBSTANTIALLY FASTER PACE. CALLS FOR SERVICE. BECAUSE OUR POPULATION AND OUR CALL FOR SERVICE GROWTH DON'T SEEM TO BE LOOKING THE SAME. OUR CALL FOR SERVICE HAS INCREASED APPROXIMATELY 73% SINCE 2020. EVEN WITH EXTRAORDINARY INFLATIONARY PRESSURES UNIQUE TO THE FIRE SERVICE, INCLUDING APPARATUS COSTS, EMPLOYEE COMPETITIVENESS, MEDICAL EQUIPMENT, AND PROTECTIVE GEAR, THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET HAS GROWN AT A PACE WELL BELOW THAT OPERATIONAL GROWTH. THIS BUDGET PROPOSES A 7.7% INCREASE OVER THE FY27-26 ADOPTED BUDGET, DRIVEN PRIMARILY BY PERSONNEL COSTS RELATED TO THE MERIT PROGRAM AND STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN PRIORITIES

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INCLUDING A HAZARDOUS MATERIALS TRAINING PLAN AND MONEY FOR A FIRE FEE CALCULATION AND ADDS NO NEW POSITIONS. AS THE CITY EVALUATES THE PERFORMANCE IMPACTS OF OUR NEW FIRE STATIONS, THE BUDGET CONTINUES THE DEPARTMENT'S LONGSTANDING APPROACH OF MEETING INCREASING SERVICE DEMANDS THROUGH DISCIPLINED, MEASURED INVESTMENT. I GUESS I'LL START. OKAY SO THANK YOU CHIEF FOR THE SUMMARY AND OBVIOUSLY FOR THE WORK OF YOUR DEPARTMENT AND I KNOW YOU ALL DO A REALLY GOOD JOB PLANNING FOR APPARATUS SO I APPRECIATE THAT FOR THE PERSONNEL SERVICES CHANGE WHAT IS MAKING UP THAT INCREASE THE MAN INCREASE PROGRAM A MERIT INCREASE OKAY THERE COULD ALSO BE INSURANCE COSTS THAT ARE CORRECT SO THERE'S A COMBINATION OF THE MERIT PROGRAM, INCREASE IN OUR WORKERS' COMP RATE, AND THE STATE. FIRE INSURANCE PROCEEDS. SO WE HAD ORIGINALLY BUDGETED $677,000 FOR THE FIRE INSURANCE. WE'RE NOW PROJECTING $864,000, RIGHT? AND WE HAVE $950,000 FOR NEXT YEAR. SO THOSE ESTIMATES DON'T COME TO US UNTIL LATE, LATE AUGUST, AND WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THEM FOR THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. YOU HAVE THE INCREASE IN THE REVENUE SIDE, AND YOU ALSO HAVE THE INCREASE IN THE EXPENDITURE SIDE. GOT IT. SO TO JUST TRANSLATE THAT, THAT'S NOT MONEY RELATED TO AD VALOREM TAX REVENUE. THAT'S MONEY RELATED TO A DEDICATED FUNDING SOURCE FOR FIRE SERVICE PENSIONS. SINCE WE'VE MOVED TO THAT PENSION PROGRAM, OUR CITY CONTRIBUTION HAS HIT THE SINGLE DIGITS, MS. ALPS. IS THAT CORRECT? SO, YES, THIS YEAR WE'RE PROJECTING A 6% CONTRIBUTION FROM THE CITY TO THE SECTION 175 PENSION PLAN. OUR PARTNERS IN PUBLIC SAFETY AND COUNTIES ACROSS FLORIDA ARE NOT EXPERIENCING A SIMILAR ITEM. I BELIEVE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE, THEY WERE IN THE MID-30S THIS YEAR FOR THEIR PENSION, BUT I BELIEVE WITH THE GREAT BENEFIT THAT JUST OCCURRED IN THE STATE STATUTE OF 1.5% COLA, THAT'S ALL BEING PAID IN THE NEXT YEAR. I'M ANTICIPATING THOSE RATES TO BE LOW TO MID-40S IN THE NEXT YEAR. SO IT'S A REALLY EFFECTIVE WAY FOR US TO BE ABLE TO PUT MONEY FOR BOTH FIREFIGHTERS' FUTURE AND FIREFIGHTERS' IN THEIR HANDS. AND THEN WHAT IS THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS ALLOCATION? IT'S SEVERAL THINGS. IT INCLUDES THINGS LIKE WHEN THE FACILITIES MAINTENANCE TEAM, OR I'M SORRY, WHEN THE FLEET TEAM TAKES CARE OF OUR FIRE TRUCKS. IT INCLUDES SOME OF OUR PLANNING FOR FUTURE PURCHASES. IT ALSO INCLUDES FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, SO WE'VE GROWN THERE. EVEN THE PREVIOUS STATION 22 FOOTPRINT ISN'T NEARLY AS LARGE AS THE... NEW STATION 22 FOOTPRINT SO ALTHOUGH WE HAVE A TWO WE ONLY HAVE ONE NEW STATION WE REALLY HAVE EFFECTIVELY TWO NEW FACILITIES THAT ARE FROM STATION 22'S FOOTPRINT IS MINUSCULE OR THE OLD ONE AND THEN I T ITEMS A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT ARE THINGS THAT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT USES THAT ARE FUN THAT WE FUND OTHER PARTS OF THE CITY BECAUSE THEY'RE PART NOW THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION. WHEN IS FIRE STATION 22 OPENING? CHIEF CLARK WOULD BE BETTER AT ANSWERING THAT, BUT I THINK THAT WE'LL ACTUALLY BEGIN RESPONDING IN THE NEXT 21 DAYS, AND THEN WE'LL PLAN TO HAVE OUR CELEBRATION OF THAT, NOT ON A LABOR DAY SATURDAY MORNING. IN 90-DEGREE WEATHER. ONE FINAL INCREASE, AND THIS MIGHT ALSO BE PART OF THE, I KNOW IT'S PART OF THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS ALLOCATION. I MEAN IT MAKES 85,000 OF THE 300,000 INCREASE. WE PROVIDE A, WE PAY THE COUNTY TO RUN OUR CAD SYSTEM AND THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR PROCESS ON HOW THEY ALLOCATE THAT FUNDING. OUR COST IN LAST YEAR WAS 16,000. THEIR PROPOSED COST FOR THIS YEAR WAS 210,000 FOR US. SAY AGAIN? YEAH. YEAH. AND THAT'S WE PAID $70,000 LAST YEAR. PROPOSED COST WAS $210,000. AND WE'VE NEGOTIATED A TWO-YEAR JUMP INTO THAT. SO THIS YEAR I BELIEVE OUR COST IS $86,000, BUT IT MIGHT BE AN $86,000 INCREASE. IT'S A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. 48% OF ALL CALLS FOR SERVICE ORIGINATE IN PALM COAST FOR THE 911 SYSTEM. THAT'S HOW THEY'VE CHOSEN TO ALLOCATE THIS YEAR. WE'RE JUST CONTINUING TO ADVOCATE FOR A SEAT AT THE TABLE. YEAH, WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO TO GET A SEAT AT THAT TABLE? BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN A I SAY THIS EVERY YEAR. I COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS, US NOT HAVING A SEAT AT THAT TABLE. WELL, I GUESS I WOULD SAY WE HAVE A SEAT AT THE TABLE. WE'RE ADVOCATING FOR HAVING A GREATER AND GREATER... WELL, I THINK SOME INPUT THAT ACTUALLY HAS SOME MORE...

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TEETH? CONSIDERATION. YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THAT IS A PART OF OUR SYSTEM IS THAT THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE'RE END USERS, RIGHT? AND THIS IS ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS. SO WITHOUT EVER INTENDING TO SAY SOMETHING DISPARAGING RELATED TO THE MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE RUNNING THAT SYSTEM, AND THAT'S... YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT PAYING A DOLLAR TO THE COUNTY TO RUN THE DISPATCH CENTER. AND I WOULD SAY, BECAUSE OUR CITIZENS ARE ALL COUNTY TAXPAYERS, THE CITIZENS ARE PAYING, BUT AS A CITY WE'RE NOT PAYING THAT. BUT THIS IS RELATED TO THE SOFTWARE THAT DISPATCHES OUR UNITS AND PROVIDES OUR CLOSEST RESPONSE AGREEMENT. IT ALSO HELPS, YOU KNOW, WITH OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE DEPUTIES. AND BOTH OF THOSE THINGS ARE INCLUDED IN THAT CALLS FOR SERVICE ALLOCATION. WE CONTINUE TO GROW OUR INFLUENCE IN THAT ROOM. IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BACK OFF OF SOME OF THE HIGHER COSTS THAT WERE BROUGHT TO US, EVEN THOUGH WE DID EXPERIENCE A HIGHER COST. BUT IT'S PART OF THE CHALLENGE OF BEING IN A RELATIONSHIP, IS THAT YOU HAVE CONFLICTS SOMETIMES AND YOU HAVE TO WORK THROUGH IT. IT'S ALSO PART OF THE CONFLICT OF BEING UNDER SCRUTINY RELATED TO YOUR FINANCIAL COMPONENTS. SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH. MAYBE THE MORE APPROPRIATE QUESTION TO NOT SEEM SO CRASS ABOUT IT IS, IS THE CURRENT SYSTEM THAT'S BEING USED, ARE THERE ALTERNATIVES THAT WE'RE AWARE OF? OR IS THIS... A STANDARD UM I WAS GONNA CAN I ADD TO THAT IS IT ACCURATE TO SAY THAT IT WOULD COST US MORE TO RUN THE SYSTEM FOR JUST US OURSELVES YEAH WE'RE GONNA PAY 50 OF THAT SYSTEM UM AND THAT'S JUST THE SOFTWARE COST WE ALSO PAY AN ALLOCATION UM FROM A RADIO STANDPOINT THAT'S GONE UP A LARGE PERCENTAGE OVER THE LAST FOUR UH FISCAL YEARS THE WHOLE TIME I'VE BEEN THE FIRE CHIEF MAYBE I'M THE BAD LUCK BUT IN THAT... TIME FRAME, IT WOULD COST US A LOT MORE TO DO THAT. BUT I WILL SAY THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, DIRECTOR AKINS AND I HAVE PUT ON THE TABLE IN THOSE ROOMS THAT AT SOME POINT, THE COST OF RUNNING IT OURSELVES BECOMES SOMETHING THAT'S BENEFICIAL AND THAT WE'LL HAVE TO EXPLORE. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE'VE CONSIDERED. WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY IN A POSITION IN THE CURRENT YEAR WHERE, YOU KNOW, EXPANSION OF CITY OF PALM COAST PROGRAMS IS ON THE TABLE IS THE WAY, YOU KNOW, WE'VE UNDERSTOOD. DID YOU HAVE SOMETHING? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU FOR THE BUDGET. AND I AM IMPRESSED WITH THE FACT THAT WE'RE BUILDING TWO NEW FIRE STATIONS, ONE ACTUALLY A NEW STATION, AND THAT THE OVERALL PERSONNEL NUMBERS STAY THE SAME. SO I THINK THAT REFLECTS GOOD PLANNING AND AN ATTEMPT TO HOLD COSTS DOWN. I THINK LAST YEAR CHIEF SAID, I GOT THE PEOPLE FOR THAT STATION. HE ALREADY HAD THEM ON HAND. I'M LIKE, GOOD JOB. YEAH, YEAH. DO YOU THINK THAT THERE'S A TIME FOR THIS AND FUTURE COUNCILS TO CONSIDER PUTTING DEDICATED COMPANIES THAT ARE RUNNING OUR SPECIALIZED APPARATUS BACK INTO PLAY? I THINK THAT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR CITIZENS TO CONSIDER. SO FAR, WE'VE USED THOSE COMPANIES IN A FIREFIGHTERS JUMPING BACK AND FORTH WAY, IN A VERY SUCCESSFUL WAY. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL HIGH-PROFILE RESCUES PARTNERED WITH CHIEF STROBRIDGE AND COMMANDER WOODWARD'S TEAM RELATED TO THAT. BUT WHEN AN ENGINE GOES OUT ON A CALL... THERE'S NO ONE THERE TO JUMP IN THAT LADDER TRUCK, AND THAT'S THE RISK THAT WE'RE... AND IT ALSO IMPACTS IN A NEGATIVE WAY OUR ABILITY TO... DO WE HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE EMD SYSTEM? THERE HAS BEEN SOME PROGRESS MADE. THEY'RE UTILIZING THE QUESTIONS RELATED TO EMD AND DISPATCH TODAY. IT'S A MULTI-STEP QUESTION, BUT WE'RE HOPING TO HAVE SOME... TRIAGE RELATED, SO EMD IS EMERGENCY MEDICAL DISPATCHING FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR ANYONE IN THE COUNCIL NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT. AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT IS EMERGENCY FIRE DISPATCHING. AND ESSENTIALLY THAT WILL SAY THAT WE WON'T NECESSARILY SEND THE SAME AMOUNT OF UNITS TO A STUBBED TOW AT THE SAME LEVEL OF EMERGENCY RESPONSE THAT WE'LL SEND TO A HEART ATTACK OR TO A CPR CALL OR TO A STRUCTURE FIRE. SO WE HAVE SOME OF THAT RELATED TO FIRE CALLS, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT TO GET BETTER, AND THERE HAS BEEN PROGRESS MADE SINCE THE LAST TIME WE SPOKE. OKAY, THANK YOU. GO RIGHT AHEAD, COUNCILMAN. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. CHIEF, THANKS FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. THANKS, SIR. THANKS FOR PRESENTING THIS BUDGET, WHICH TO ME MAKES SENSE. YOU KNOW, IT'S OUR PRIMARY RESPONSIBILITY. I GO BACK TO THE FOLKS ON MY STREET WHERE THEY ONCE HAD A CAR FALL ON TOP OF THEM BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T PROPERLY SECURE THE VEHICLE WHILE THEY WERE TRYING TO CHANGE THE BRAKES AND MULTIPLE STROKES AND HEART ATTACK RESPONSES. YOU CAN NAME THEM AND EACH TIME THEY'VE BEEN THERE AT OR RIGHT

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UNDER FIVE MINUTES BECAUSE OF WHERE WE LIVE TO FIRE STATION 25 BUT JUST EXCELLENT WORK BY THE PROFESSIONALS THAT ARE THAT THAT SERVE OUR COMMUNITY UM AND I'M VERY PROUD OF THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING AGREEMENT YOU KNOW INVESTING IN OUR FIREFIGHTERS UM UM TO TO WANT TO STAY WITH US LONG TERM BECAUSE THEY'RE EXCELLENT IN WHAT THEY DO ABSOLUTELY JUST FABULOUS WORK AND AND EXCELLENCE AND AND THE WAY THEY'VE THEY TAKE CARE OF OUR RESIDENTS IT'S JUST IT'S JUST TOP-NOTCH AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU AND TO THIS COUNCIL VERY PROUD OF YOU KNOW THE DECISIONS THAT WE'VE MADE TO INVEST IN OUR DEPARTMENT UM BOTH WITH THE FIRE STATIONS BUT WITH THE APPARATUS BUT ALSO IN OUR PEOPLE AND SO UM THANKS AGAIN CHIEF THANK YOU CHIEF I JUST HAD ONE ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU UM ALSO UH IN REGARDS TO NON-BUDGET UM RELATED THINGS UH WE'VE I'VE SEEN SOME INCREASE IN RAINSTORMS AND THUNDERSTORMS LATELY, WHICH IS A GOOD THING. WE NEED WATER. HOWEVER, I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SEVERAL INCIDENTS OF BRUSH FIRES BEING STARTED BY LIGHTNING THROUGHOUT THE CITY. SO YOU GUYS HAVE RESPONDED QUICKLY AND PUT THOSE OUT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THANK YOU BECAUSE ANYBODY THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS KNOWS THAT'S A HIGH RISK FOR OUR AREA AND SOMETHING THAT'S TOUCHED US IN THE PAST. SO I APPRECIATE IT. WELL, I CAN'T TAKE CREDIT FOR THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I'LL MAKE SURE THAT CHIEF CLARK SENDS THAT BACK TO THE REST OF THE TEAM. I JUST HAVE ONE QUESTION, CHIEF. I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW, A MONTH OR SO AGO I WAS ASKING ABOUT OVERTIME. YES, SIR. AND HELENA SENT ME A LIST OF BUDGETED OVERTIME FOR THE CITY, THE TOTAL AMOUNT. THERE WAS $756,000 BUDGETED FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. CAN YOU BALLPARK HOW MUCH YOU USED DURING? WE'VE USED $756,000 AT THIS POINT IN THE YEAR, AND WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS. SO OUR PROJECTIONS FOR THAT AND FOR NEXT YEAR WE'RE GOING TO BE AT $9.75 IS OUR BUDGET. ONE OF THE THINGS RELATED TO THE CURRENT FIRE SERVICE SCHEDULE, THERE'S DEFINITELY A MOVEMENT ACROSS THE STATE TO REDUCE OVERTIME FOR FIREFIGHTERS. IT'S A STUDY THAT WE HAVE AGREED TO IN THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING UNIT BETWEEN THE FIRE ADMIN AND THE PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS TO ANALYZE AN ALTERNATIVE SHIFT SCHEDULE, BUT IT INVOLVES HIRING A LOT MORE PEOPLE. A FIREFIGHTER WORKS 56 HOURS EVERY WEEK. NORMAL CITY EMPLOYEE WORKS IS SCHEDULED FOR 40. THERE'S AN EXEMPTION TO THE FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT THAT ALLOWS THEM NOT TO HIT OVERTIME ABOVE 53. BUT IF A FIREFIGHTER GETS SICK, THEY HAVE A BABY, IF THEY GO ON VACATION, IF WE SEND THEM TO TRAINING, WE CAN'T SCHEDULE THE CALLS FOR TOMORROW. SO WE FILL THOSE POSITIONS. WE DO HAVE A DELTA BETWEEN OUR MAXIMUM AND OUR MINIMUM STAFFING THAT CONSUMES SOME OF THAT, A SIGNIFICANT PORTION OF THAT. BUT BASICALLY EVERY TIME A FIREFIGHTER IS DOING ANYTHING EXCEPT RIDING ON THE FIRE TRUCK RESPONDING TO CALLS, AND EVERY TIME THERE'S A FIREFIGHTER ON VACATION, THERE'S AN OVERTIME COMPONENT. AND EVEN IF NO ONE EVER TOOK A DAY OFF IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, WE WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ABOUT 156 HOURS OF OVERTIME FOR EVERY FIRE DEPARTMENT LINE, BASED ON THE FACT THAT THE SCHEDULE CONSUMES MORE HOURS THAN OUR... BE UNDER THEM EVEN THOUGH THE FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT GIVES US A 13 HOUR A WEEK EXEMPTION AND SOME FLEXIBILITY WITH HOW WE MAKE THAT SCHEDULE WE'RE ALLOWED TO EXTEND IT AND WE HAVE EXTENDED IT SO WE DON'T LOOK AT EVERY WEEK IT WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE IF WE DID WEEKLY WE DO OVERTIME ON A BI-WEEKLY BASIS SO CONSIDER THAT MOST OF YOUR FIREFIGHTERS WORK AROUND 112 HOURS EVERY TWO WEEKS AND SO THAT'S A NORMAL FIREFIGHTER SCHEDULE IT'S A LITTLE BIT ROTATIONAL SO IT BETWEEN 120 AND 104 IS THE ROUTINE SCHEDULES IN ADDITION TO THAT, SOME OF OUR OVERTIME THIS YEAR WAS CONSUMED BY SENDING AN ENGINE COMPANY TO FLAGLER BEACH FOR A MONTH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A COST RECOVERY SCENARIO FOR US IN OUR OPINION. I WAS JUST SEEING THAT AS THE LARGEST LINE ITEM FOR OVERTIME, AND I JUST WANTED A JUSTIFICATION FOR IT. YES, SIR. IF YOU HAVE USED THAT ALREADY BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR, YOU'VE ALREADY USED THOSE HOURS. IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? WE HAVE HAD A, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD A... ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IN THE FIRE SERVICE IS RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION, AND THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. I THINK THE FLORIDA FIRE CHIEFS PUBLISHED A WHITE PAPER ON IT IN 2019 THAT WE'RE SEEING JUST SOME DIFFERENCES RELATED TO HOW WE USED TO DO IT. BASICALLY, WE'VE GONE FROM AN NFL MODEL TO A COLLEGE FOOTBALL MODEL. WE USED TO JUST HANG A SIGN AND HAVE A LINE OF PEOPLE, AND SO IT WAS EASY TO BRING FIREFIGHTERS IN. NOW WE HAVE TO DO A LOT OF RECRUITING. WE HAD AN INTERN PROGRAM AND SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROGRAMS RELATED TO TRYING TO ATTRACT THAT. WE'RE SEEING WHAT I WOULD CALL THE PIG IN THE PYTHON OF THAT SCENARIO. NOW SIX YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, I'M FILLING OUR FIRST AND SECOND LEVEL PROMOTIONS. SO OUR DRIVER ENGINEER IS KIND

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OF LIKE A NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER IN THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND THEN OUR LIEUTENANT IS OUR FIRST OFFICER POSITION. AND BOTH OF THOSE NEED TO BE ON EVERY TRUCK EVERY TIME. AND SO WE DO HAVE SOME OVERTIME DRIVEN BY THE FACT THAT WE'VE BEEN DOWN, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE CLOSE TO FULLY STAFFED, I BELIEVE WE'RE DOWN TWO FTES RIGHT NOW. AND WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, A SENIOR OFFICER DEPLOYED FOR MILITARY SERVICE. WE HAVE ANOTHER OFFICER THAT'S ON A... SO FILLING THOSE POSITIONS IS NOT... ALL 75 FIREFIGHTERS CAN'T FILL THOSE POSITIONS. SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT PROCESS, WE HAVE TO DO THAT. AND, YOU KNOW, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, EVERY TIME A FIREFIGHTER GETS IN OVERTIME, IT'S NOT AN 8-HOUR SHIFT, IT'S A 24-HOUR SHIFT, RIGHT? SO THOSE NUMBERS ARE THAT WAY. I'D BE HAPPY, THOUGH, TO SIT DOWN WITH YOU AND THE CITY MANAGER AND BREAK THAT DOWN FOR YOU. NO, I JUST WANTED TO, AND WE'LL TALK THE FINANCE A LITTLE BIT LATER ABOUT THE OTHER NUMBERS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO, STAN'S THE REASON THAT YOUR COMPANIES ARE GOING TO BE DOING A LOT OF OVERTIME. I CAN UNDERSTAND YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOING FROM $700,000 TO $900,000 FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR. I JUST WANTED TO BREAK IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT. YES, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL FOR CHIEF? THANK YOU SO MUCH, CHIEF. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, CHIEF. JAMES HURST, PARKS AND RECREATION DIRECTOR, WILL NOW PRESENT THE BUDGETS FOR PARKS AND REC DIVISION. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND CITY COUNCILLOR JAMES HURST, DIRECTOR OF PARKS AND RECREATION. OUR MAIN GOAL FOR OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR WAS TO CONTINUE WITH OUR LEVEL OF SERVICE, MAINTAINING SAFE FACILITIES AND THEN CONTINUING OFFERING SOME EXCELLENT PROGRAMS AND EVENTS FOR RESIDENTS OF PALM COAST. HERE'S JUST A QUICK... QUICK SNAPSHOT OF OUR MISSION STATEMENT AND WHY STATEMENT. SO WE STRIVE TO MAKE PALM COAST A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE, VISIT AND RECREATE. OUR STAFF IS DEDICATED TO BRINGING CITIZENS OF PALM COAST QUALITY PARKS AND RECREATION PROGRAMS AND IMPROVING QUALITY OF LIFE THROUGH FACILITIES AND PROGRAMS. AND THEN OUR WHY STATEMENT IS ALWAYS TO ENHANCE COMMUNITY SO THAT EVERYONE FEELS WELCOME. THIS SNAPSHOT HERE IS ALSO JUST WHAT WE PROVIDE TO THE COMMUNITY AND SO WE PROVIDED 323 PROGRAMS OF FISCAL YEAR 25. OVER 87,000 PEOPLE CAME TO THOSE PROGRAMS OR RESIDENTS. 44,000 PEOPLE ATTENDED OUR SPECIAL EVENTS. WE HAD 37 OF THOSE SPECIAL EVENTS, AND THEN ALSO WE HAVE THE 13 PARKS, 22 TENNIS COURTS, 26 BALL FIELDS, 8 PLAYGROUNDS. HERE IS OUR REVENUE FOR PARKS AND RECREATION, SO IT'S BROKEN UP INTO DIFFERENT CHARGES. WE HAVE THE RECREATION PROGRAM FEE. PARK RENTAL FEE, POOL FEES, THE SOUTHERN RECREATION CENTRE CHARGES, THE PALM HARBOUR GOLF CHARGES, AND THEN OUR OTHER REVENUE, WHICH IS MAINLY RENT THROUGH LOOPERS AND REDEFINED FOODS AT THE SOUTHERN REC CENTRE AND THE GOLF COURSE. PRETTY MUCH STABLE ACROSS THE DEPARTMENT FOR $27,000. A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE FOR THE PALM HARBOUR GOLF COURSE THROUGH THE PRESENTATION WE GAVE EARLIER THIS YEAR. WE SAW A LITTLE BIT OF REDUCTION IN THE POOL FEES AND THAT'S JUST MAINLY DUE TO US BEING BACK TO SEASONAL. HERE IS OUR EXPENDITURE REVENUE. WE'RE BROKEN UP INTO FIVE SEPARATE DIVISIONS SO WE'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY. AS WE GO THROUGH THEM, IF COUNCIL HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, WE CAN STOP AFTER EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUAL BUDGET LINES. AND OVERALL WE'RE JUST LOOKING AT A 4.2% INCREASE. SO HERE IS OUR POX. AND RECREATION BUDGET. SORRY, JAMES, CAN YOU GO BACK? THANK YOU. SO I'M TRYING TO COMPARE THE REVENUE FOR EACH OF THESE NEXT TO THE EXPENSES. AND WHAT I'M SEEING IS, AND I'M SORRY FOR KIND OF MY DELAYED SPEECH PATTERN HERE, I'M TRYING TO GO BACK AND FORTH. SO FOR WHEN IT SAYS POOL FEES, THAT'S FOR THE AQUATIC CENTER, CORRECT? CORRECT, YES, CORRECT. OKAY. YEAH, SO WE'RE STILL LOSING ABOUT $500,000 ON THE POOL. IS THAT ABOUT RIGHT? ABOUT RIGHT, YES. LAST FISCAL YEAR WAS $400,000 AND SOMETHING. SO AS WE LOOK AHEAD TO HOPEFULLY GETTING THE YMCA POOL FUNDED, HAVE YOU ALL DONE AN ANALYSIS AS TO WHEN THAT LOSS? SHOULD DROP OFF? WOULD IT BE FISCAL YEAR 28? WE KNOW WE HAVEN'T DONE AN ANALYSIS JUST YET. NO. OKAY. THAT'S OKAY. THAT'S I WAS JUST ASKING, UM, FOR THE SOUTHERN REC CENTER AND THIS ONE HURTS. I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, IT LOOKS LIKE WE'RE LOOKING AT A LOSS OF 420,000.

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IS THAT ACCURATE? YEAH. WELL, CURRENTLY WE'RE AT 62% COST RECOVERY. AND I BELIEVE LAST YEAR WE WERE ABOUT BETWEEN THAT 65% AND 69% COST RECOVERY, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY. WHY? GO BACK TO THE REVENUE SLIDE, MS. RAGSDALE. YEAH, THE REVENUES ARE SHOWING AT $410,000, AND THE EXPENSES ARE AT $831,000. WHY ARE WE SEEING SUCH A SIGNIFICANT LOSS? SOME OF THOSE INCREASES, I THINK HELENA AND GWEN KIND OF MENTIONED IT EARLIER, WE SAW A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE. IN THE PROPERTY INSURANCE, IT WAS QUITE, IF WE SEE IN THE NEXT SLIDES, OUR PROPERTY INSURANCE INCREASED QUITE A BIT IN THAT LINE ITEM. MOST OF IT, MERIT INCREASE WITH SALARIES, BUT OPERATIONALLY WISE, WE KIND OF KEPT AS FLAT AS POSSIBLE SO WE CAN MAINTAIN THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT WE HAVE. OKAY, WHEN WE GET THERE, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT THE PROPERTY INSURANCE INCREASE WAS, PLEASE. WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE INCREASES, THE INCREASES ARE ABOUT 70,000 IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE DOING. FOR INSURANCE, PERSONNEL COSTS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SOME UTILITY INCREASES, TOO. WHAT I'M SAYING IS WE WERE ALREADY LOSING. OH, I KNOW, BUT THE THOUGHT... THREE TO FOUR HUNDRED THOUSAND. THE THOUGHT WAS, THIS IS A NEW CENTER, RIGHT? WE'RE STILL GETTING MEMBERS. WE SHOULD START TO SEE THIS KIND OF START TO GET BETTER. WELL, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO BE... WHERE THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO COME FROM IS THE REVENUE SIDE, NOT THE EXPENSE SIDE, RIGHT? YEAH, I KNOW, BUT I MEAN, THE REVENUES... HAVEN'T GONE UP A WHOLE LOT. I MEAN, $10,000 IS NEGLIGIBLE. AGREED. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, THOUGH, IS THAT IN TERMS OF THE EXPENSES, THOSE REALLY HAVEN'T GONE UP MUCH, BUT THE REVENUE HASN'T GONE UP. YEAH, SO, OKAY, SO THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER POINT IN QUESTION. I APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH, I'M JUST SAYING THAT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO TRY TO FIND THIS COST RECOVERY IS FROM THE REVENUE, NOT FROM THE EXPENSES, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, THEN WE'RE KIND OF DEFUNDING THE SERVICE LEVEL OF THE SOUTHERN REC CENTER. SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW THE REVENUE IS GOING TO INCREASE. YEAH, SO HAS THAT ANALYSIS STARTED TO TAKE PLACE? YEAH, WHEN WE OPENED UP THE SOUTHERN RECREATION CENTRE, WE HAD THE THREE- TO FIVE-YEAR PLAN OF HOW WE CAN INCREASE. WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO HIT PASSHOLDER FEES OR ANYTHING, SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT BETTER WAYS TO INCREASE THE REVENUE AND MORE COMMUNITY PROGRAMS. I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME EXTRA PARKING COMING AVAILABLE. LATER ON TODAY, SO THAT COULD HELP AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS WE KIND OF LOOKED AT IN OUR NEXT THREE TO FOUR YEARS. SO, JAMES, WHAT WAS THE PROJECTIONS? BECAUSE MOST OF US DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE SOUTHERN REC. YOU WEREN'T IN ON THIS, MARY. SO WHAT WERE THE PROJECTIONS BACK WHEN THEY FIRST PROPOSED THIS? AT WHAT YEAR OF OPERATION WERE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE AT A BREAK-EVEN POINT? DO YOU EVEN KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? I DON'T THINK WE WENT INTO THAT LEVEL OF DETAIL FOR THAT. WAS IT CONSIDERED BY THE COUNCIL AT THE TIME? DID THEY TALK ABOUT IT AT ALL, OR IT WAS JUST LIKE, OKAY, LET'S BUILD THIS AND THEY WILL COME? I'M JUST TRYING TO GET A FEEL FOR IT. I THINK FROM WHAT I REMEMBER, BOTH THE GOLF COURSE AND THIS WERE NOT CONSIDERED AS AMENITIES, SO THE PLAN WASN'T EVER NECESSARILY TO BE COST RECOVERY. I THINK THAT'S A FOCUS OF OURS, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS THE FOCUS PRIOR TO US. I WAS ON THE COUNTY AT THE TIME. SEE WHEN WE THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT MONEY THERE WAS A LOT OF DETAIL IN THERE BASICALLY FROM THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT OFFICE AS TO WHAT THE PROJECTION THEIR REVENUE YEAH THE COST FOR FACILITY AND WELL THAT'S THE PROBLEM RIGHT INCLUDED USE TOO I DON'T KNOW IS IT VALID TO TO PROVIDE THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS WHICH ARE BASED ON OUTSIDERS COMING IN AND USING YEAH I MEAN PART OF THAT ANALYSIS IS GOING TO BE LIKE BROADER ECONOMIC IMPACT LIKE USAGE OF HOTELS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SOMETHING TO GET AT. AND I DO THINK THAT I DON'T THINK WE EVER LOCKED DOWN ON A YEAR WHEN THE BREAK-EVEN POINT WOULD OCCUR, IF EVER. IT IS AN AMENITY IN ADDITION TO BEING I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT OUR INTENT HERE WITH THAT FACILITY JUST LIKE WE HAD WITH THE GOLF COURSE. SO WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S A THREE, YES, I AGREE WITH THAT, COUNCILMAN MILLER. WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S A THREE- TO FIVE-YEAR PLAN, DO WE HAVE LIKE A STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN FOR THE SOUTHERN REXETER? AND I ASK THAT BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT INVESTING PARKING IN ORDER TO HELP WITH TOURNAMENTS. WE'VE TALKED ABOUT GETTING MORE PICKLEBALL COURTS OR TENNIS COURTS TO BRING MORE SANCTIONED TOURNAMENTS IN.

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BUT DO WE HAVE AN ACTUAL PLAN THAT SAYS IF WE DO X, Y, Z, WE CAN ATTRACT ABC AS FAR AS TOURNAMENTS GO? NOT OFFICIALLY, JUST WHEN STAFF WORKED TOGETHER AND WE CREATED MILESTONES THROUGHOUT THE YEARS THAT WE WERE STRIVING FOR. OKAY. AND ARE THOSE CURRENT MILESTONES WORKED INTO OUR CIP? THE FACT THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION IS A PROBLEM. BECAUSE THIS IS A VERY EXPENSIVE THING TO KEEP ON OUR BOOKS YEAR AFTER YEAR. I'M NOT FAULTING YOU. I'M FAULTING THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING IN PLACE. WELL, I GUESS CANDIDLY IN PART YOU, BUT NOT ALL YOU. SO IF WE KNOW WE HAVE THIS, I MEAN, THIS THING COST US $100,000. IT'S PROPOSED TO COST US $831,000 IN FISCAL YEAR 27. AND I THINK THE SOUTHERN REC CENTER IS GORGEOUS. IT'S A BEAUTIFUL FACILITY. I KNOW IT'S HIGHLY UTILIZED BY OUR PUBLIC, AND ALL OF THAT'S GREAT. BUT IT'S COSTING US ALMOST A HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. AND WE TALKED ABOUT THE AQUATIC CENTER AND HOW THAT'S SUCH A... BLEED TO US EVERY YEAR. THIS IS TRENDING TO BE NOT VERY DIFFERENT. SO I WOULD ASK FOR CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL TO HAVE STAFF COME BACK TO US TO ACTUALLY SHOW US WHERE. THE CIP INCORPORATES WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO BRING IN THOSE TOURNAMENTS AND TO START UPTICKING THESE REVENUES. BECAUSE IF WE DON'T HAVE A PLAN THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY PUTTING INTO ACTION AND THAT HAS DELIVERABLES ATTACHED TO IT, WE'RE GOING TO KEEP LOSING MONEY ON THIS. I AGREE. AND I THINK THERE'S A DISTINCT DIFFERENCE TOO BETWEEN THE AQUATIC CENTER AND THIS BECAUSE THE AQUATIC CENTER IS THAT WAY BECAUSE IT'S SO OLD. THIS IS BRAND NEW, RIGHT? AND I KNOW THERE'S OTHER IMPROVEMENTS THAT WE HAVE PLANNED FOR THIS FACILITY. WE NEED A CAUSE ENOUGH TO SEE WHAT IMPROVEMENTS WE NEED TO MAKE THAT WOULD THEN GET US CLOSER TO RECOVERY SO THAT WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION GOING FORWARD. TO BELIEVE THAT THERE WAS AN ANALYSIS TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT KIND OF REVENUE THE FACILITY ITSELF WAS GOING TO BRING IN. MR. MAYOR? I CAN'T FAULT YOU FOR THAT, THOUGH, JAMES. WITH THE DIRECTION OF COUNCIL, WE CAN WORK TOGETHER AS A STAFF AND DO THE APPROPRIATE RESEARCH TO SEE IF THAT HAS BEEN DONE OR NOT FOR US HISTORICALLY, AND IF NOT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO TO OVERCOME THAT. I WANT TO SAY AGAIN, I WAS ON THE COUNTY... TDC, I WAS CHAIRMAN, WHEN THIS WAS GOING ON, THERE WAS A VERY DETAILED ANALYSIS DONE. THE TOURIST DEVELOPMENT OFFICE SAYING THE WHOLE REASON TO PROVIDE THE $750,000 SEED MONEY FROM THE TOURIST DOLLARS WAS TO BRING IN OUTSIDE PLAY AND OUTSIDE TOURNAMENTS. AND THERE WERE NUMBERS PUT ON THE SCREEN, AS I REMEMBER, GOING ALONG THOSE LINES. AND I THINK THAT'S THE HOPE THAT... THAT THAT JUST AS YOU SAID VICE MAYOR THAT THAT'S THE HOPE BUT IT'S NOT LIKE THIS WAS AN UNKNOWN FACT WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T PROVIDE THE TDC DID NOT PROVIDE THE 750 000 IN SEED MONEY TOWARDS THIS PROGRAM BECAUSE FOR INTERNAL PLAY FOR FOR LOCAL PLAY IT WAS PROVIDED BECAUSE IT WAS GOING, GOING TO BE AN ATTRACTION FOR OUTSIDE PLAYERS. SO THEN THE QUESTION IS... WHAT IS THE PLAN TO GET US THERE COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN BECAUSE YES THAT'S WHY IT WAS PROVIDED IT WASN'T PROVIDED SO IT COULD JUST BE A COMMUNITY AMENITY YEAH ANY OTHER QUESTIONS I'M SORRY I GUESS MR. MAYOR I WOULD JUST SAY THAT YOU KNOW THAT THIS COUNCIL'S TAKEN A PRETTY STRONG POSITION ON COST RECOVERY EVEN WITH FACILITIES THAT ARE GREAT AMENITIES FOR OUR COMMUNITY AND WE JUST DIDN'T WE JUST NEED TO HAVE A PLAN AND VICE MAYOR I THINK IT'S EXACTLY RIGHT WHAT WE NEED TO HAVE AND IT'S A GREAT FACILITY. WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT'S THE ROOT CAUSE. WHY AREN'T WE JUST BLOWING THE SOCKS OFF THIS PLACE, RIGHT? SO THAT PLAN CAN HELP US KIND OF UNDERSTAND WHERE WE STARTED FROM A STRATEGIC PERSPECTIVE AND HOW WE CAN GO FORWARD AND MAKE SURE WE'RE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE IT'S A GREAT FACILITY. ON THE FLIP SIDE OF THAT, GREAT JOB ON THE GOLF COURSE. YOU GUYS ARE DOING GREAT. I SEE WE'VE DEFINITELY HAD SOME VAST IMPROVEMENTS THERE. SO REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR AND STAFF'S EFFORTS, DENNIS'S EFFORTS. EVERYBODY'S BEEN DOING A WONDERFUL JOB THERE. SO I DON'T WANT IT TO BE ALL DOOM AND GLOOM. DEFINITELY APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN DONE FOR THE GOLF COURSE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF OTHER COUNCIL MEMBERS HAVE MET WITH THE COMPANY THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND FORM A PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP

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FOR THE DRIVING RANGE PORTION. AND FOR LOOPERS AT THE GOLF COURSE, I HAVE THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE GENTLEMEN THAT THEY DO CLAREMONT NATIONAL NOW. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A REALLY GREAT OPPORTUNITY. SO I'M HOPING THAT IF MEMBERS OF COUNCIL HAVE NOT MET WITH HIM, THAT, YOU KNOW, I CAN PASS AROUND INFORMATION. AND HOPEFULLY YOU WILL, BECAUSE I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY WANT TO COME IN JUST WITH THE DRIVING RANGE, NOT TO TOUCH THE GOLF COURSE, NOT TO TAKE THE GOLF COURSE, NOT TO DO ANYTHING OWNERSHIP WISE. JUST TO PUT IMPROVEMENTS INTO THE DRIVING RANGE AND INTO LOOPERS, I THINK IS A POSITIVE THING. BUT KIND OF SEPARATE CONVERSATION, BUT ALSO WANTED TO COMPLIMENT YOU ALL ON STAFF'S EFFORTS THERE. I THINK THAT GENTLEMAN SPOKE TO THE COUNCIL. BRIEFLY, YEAH. WHEN WE DID THE RFIS. THE RFIS, RIGHT. TO THE GOLF COURSE, CORRECT. YOU GUYS HAVE DONE A GREAT JOB GETTING THAT MUCH CLOSER TO COST RECOVERY. I DO SEE WE'RE STILL SLIGHTLY UNDER BASED ON THE PROJECTIONS. SO WE NEED TO I JUST GOT A SHAKE FROM SO MAYBE I LOOKED AT THE NUMBERS WRONG. I THOUGHT WE WERE SLIGHTLY LET ME GO BACK TO REVENUES. I THINK THEY'RE STRAIGHT ON. YEAH, I THINK THEY'RE STRAIGHT. SO ADOPTED 1-8-5-9 FOR 2026. AND THEN WHERE ARE WE AT FOR ACTUAL? SO YOUR ESTIMATED REVENUE IS AT 2.153. SO WE'RE ESTIMATING THAT THE REVENUE IS GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT OVER WHAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY THOUGHT. SO THE ESTIMATED IS WHAT WE'RE ADJUSTING THAT TO BASED ON WHAT'S ACTUALLY COMING IN. THAT IS CORRECT. OKAY, GOTCHA. ALSO A REMINDER THAT THE PALM HARBOR GOLF CLUB BUDGET FOR 26 INCLUDED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE IRRIGATION SYSTEM. AND THOSE WILL NOT BE CARRYING INTO NEXT YEAR. AND WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE CIP PLAN. IN THE FUTURE FOR ALL OTHER FUTURE UPGRADES THAT WE NEED TO DO AND INCORPORATE THOSE INTO THE RATES TO MAINTAIN THIS LEVEL SO THAT WE'RE NOT ONLY JUST PAYING FOR THE OPERATIONS, BUT WE'RE PAYING FOR ALL THOSE POTENTIAL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, GREENS, WHATEVER WE HAVE TO DO, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT'S COMING UP, RIGHT, GREENS, I THINK? YEP. SO THAT IT'S RUNNING AS A BUSINESS. IT CAN MAKE ITS OWN MONEY TO SPEAK. MR. MAYOR, ALSO JUST A COUPLE MORE TOPICS FOR PARKS AND RECS. SO THE COUNCIL CAN ALSO EXPECT TO SEE THE YMCA AGREEMENT COME INTO YOU THIS FALL. AND AS WELL, THERE'S ALSO GOING TO BE MORE SRC-RELATED ITEMS TODAY IN THIS PRESENTATION, A LITTLE BIT MORE. THANK YOU. YOU GOT ANY MORE, JAMES? I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO GO THROUGH EACH ONE AGAIN. I THINK WE KIND OF JUMPED BACK AND FORTH. YOU TOOK ME OFF MY RHYTHM. NO, I'M KIDDING. YOU STILL HAVE TO COVER MAINTENANCE, RIGHT? YEAH. I HAVEN'T. THIS IS... THIS ONE UP HERE IS JUST OUR PARKS AND RECREATION GENERAL BUDGET WHICH INCORPORATES THE COMMUNITY CENTER, OUR WATER AND ELECTRICITY FOR ALL THE PARKS. BUT AGAIN, OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IS RECREATION PROGRAMS AND FACILITY SAFETY. HERE IS, AGAIN, THE AQUATIC CENTER. HERE WE REMAIN A SEASONAL POOL FOR 27, SO THAT'S APRIL THROUGH OCTOBER. PRIMARY FOCUS AGAIN IS ALWAYS BEEN SWIM LESSONS BUT ALSO FACILITY SAFETY AND SAFETY OF THOSE IN THE WATER AND HERE'S A JUST A QUICK SNAPSHOT OF THOSE UH STATISTICS THAT WE TAKE UM HERE IS AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING FOR A UH IT SAYS HERE 15.3 PERCENT INCREASE BUT THAT'S AGAIN MAINLY DUE TO THOSE UH PROPERTY INSURANCE INCREASED LINE ITEMS THERE'S SOME WORKERS COMP IN THERE AS WELL THEN WE LOOKED AT THE SOUTHERN REC CENTRE, WHICH WE KIND OF TALKED ABOUT, BUT OUR PRIMARY FOCUS WAS COURT CONDITIONS, PROGRAMS AND LESSONS, AND CONTINUED SAFETY. WE WANT TO MAINTAIN OUR TENNIS COURTS AND PICKLEBALL COURTS TO THE LEVEL OF SERVICE THAT IS EXPECTED. AND THEN WE HAVE SEEN A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE IN WATER AND ELECTRICITY CHARGES AS WELL. DON'T KNOW IF WE WANT TO STOP HERE, BUT AGAIN, IT WAS THOSE PROPERTY INSURANCE THAT WE SAW A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE. WE SAW QUITE A BIT OF INCREASE. AND THEN ALSO SOME WORKERS' COMP. THAT'S MAINLY PRETTY MUCH LOOKING FOR A 9.2% INCREASE FOR THE SOUTHERN RECREATION CENTRE. GOLF COURSE. PRIMARY GOAL IS ALWAYS TO BE COST RECOVERY PER THE DIRECTION OF CITY COUNCIL. WE WANT TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS AND SERVICES. WE HAVE IMPLEMENTED SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE OPPORTUNITIES LIKE A SUMMER PASS FOR THE LATE AFTERNOONS FOR THE WORKING CLASS. WE'VE DONE REALLY COOL PROGRAMS OUT THERE AS WELL. SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE TRYING TO IMPLEMENT AT THE COURSE. WE WILL SEE A REDUCTION

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OF 16.6%. THAT'S MAINLY JUST DUE TO THE IRRIGATION PUMP THAT'S BEEN DONE THIS YEAR AND SOME SMALL DECREASES IN INTERNAL ALLOCATION FUNDS AND THEN PERSONAL SERVICES. PARKS AND TRAILS, AGAIN, WE ALWAYS... PRIMARY FOCUS TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE AND PRIORITIZE SAFETY. WE DID ASK FOR A LITTLE BIT OF INCREASE IN TRAIL SHELL. THAT IS JUST SOME OF OUR TRAILS ARE GETTING A LITTLE BIT BARE WITH THEIR SHELL, SO WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON A REPLACEMENT PLAN OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS, AND INCREASING THIS A LITTLE BIT WILL HELP WITH THAT. AS A REPLACEMENT, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING. I JUST WANT TO JUMP IN. CAN YOU GIVE AN UPDATE ON OUR TRAILS IN THE, SORRY, OFF COLBERT? GRAEME SWAMP? YES A STRUCTURAL ENGINEER HAS DONE A HAS WORKED ON A SCOPE OF WHAT THE SERVICES THEY WILL PROVIDE BELIEVE IT I'M NOT SURE ON THE EXACT DATE BUT WE'LL NEED TO SEE WE'RE STILL GOING TO RECEIVE WHAT THE ENTIRE SCOPE WILL BE AND WHAT THE REPAIRS ARE GOING TO TAKE TO KIND OF COMPLETE IT AND THEN WE'LL NEED TO COME TO CITY COUNCIL DO WE FOR THOSE I KNOW SOME OF THIS WAS DONE INTERNALLY THROUGH PUBLIC WORKS BEFORE SOME OF THE BRIDGES, BOARDWALKS, THINGS LIKE THAT. ARE WE PLANNING ON BIDDING THIS OUT OR DOING IT INTERNALLY? DO WE KNOW YET? I DON'T THINK WE'RE AT THAT STAGE JUST YET. OKAY. I KNOW IT'S BEEN DONE FOR A WHILE BECAUSE WE HAD A PLANNED MAINTENANCE OF IT THAT THEN DISCOVERED MORE PROBLEMS. YEAH, THAT BRIDGE IS OUT LAST ITS LIFETIME. NO, I UNDERSTAND. IT HAS TO BE SAVED. IT'S A 14-YEAR-OLD BRIDGE. IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW. THE PEOPLE THAT UTILIZE THAT REGULARLY, YOU KNOW, ARE EXPERIENCING A FAIRLY LONG WAIT, YOU KNOW. SO JUST WANTED TO GET AN UPDATE ON THAT. INEVITABLY, I GET ASKED TO PROVIDE THAT. IF YOU NEED MORE, JUST SHARE IT. EMAIL ME. THANK YOU. BUT YEAH, SO AGAIN WE'RE LOOKING AT ASSET REPLACEMENTS. THIS IS ACTUALLY A NEW KPI WE'VE INTRODUCED INTO OUR DEPARTMENT IS REPLACING SOME OF THE OLD TRASH CANS AND BENCHES THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE STARTING TO RUST IN OUR SPORT FIELDS. ALWAYS TRYING TO MAXIMIZE FUEL USAGE BUT MAINTAIN OPTIMAL CONDITIONS. WE ARE USING HOLLAND PARK QUITE A BIT MORE, ESPECIALLY THE DIAMOND FIELDS AND THEN ALSO WE'RE LOOKING TO, WE HAVE SEEN A LITTLE BIT INCREASE IN OUR CHEMICALS IN THOSE FIELDS. DO WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE FOR LIGHTS? ARE THEY PART OF THE CAPITAL PROGRAM FOR HOLLAND? NO, THERE'S NO PLAN. NO PLAN. CLOSE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I UNDERSTAND THAT ESSENTIALLY WE'D BE OPENING OURSELVES UP TO, YOU KNOW, SOME COMPLAINTS IN THAT REGARD. JUST WONDERING, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT USAGE PERCENTAGES SKYROCKET WHEN WE HAVE LIGHTS. BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T GET OFF WORK UNTIL FIVE AND THEN GET THEIR KIDS AND THEN GET TO THE FIELDS AT SIX. AND SOMETIMES DURING THE YEARS, THAT'S WHEN SUNDOWN IS. IT FEELS SIX THROUGH EIGHT, WE'RE STILL WORKING ON THAT. AND WE SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE POLLS UP BY THE START OF SCHOOL. I'M IN PARKS MAINTENANCE. NOT MUCH. A FEW CHANGES HERE. WE'RE LOOKING TO... IN A FUND TRANSFER, THERE'S A COUPLE OF TRAILERS. THAT'S JUST TO MAKE THINGS A LITTLE BIT MORE EFFICIENT WHEN TRAVELLING AROUND TOWN, MAKING SURE EVERY GUY HAS THEIR MOWER AND WE'RE NOT WAITING ON SOMEONE TO BRING A MOWER FROM A DIFFERENT TRUCK THAT HAS A TRAILER ON IT. OTHER THAN THAT, WE PRETTY MUCH WANTED JUST A 4.5% INCREASE, BUT NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED IN THAT PARK'S MAINTENANCE OTHER THAN SOME INCREASE IN SHELL TRAILS. THIS INTER-FUND TRANSFER THAT'S FOR PARKS MAINTENANCE FOR PUBLIC WORKS, IS THAT CORRECT? MOST OF IT? YEAH, IT'S THE PURCHASE OF TWO TRAILERS, YEAH. OH, THE INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS ALLOCATION? OKAY. OH, SO YEAH, YEAH. AND THEN HERE IS JUST A QUICK UPDATE ON OUR STRATEGIC ACTION PLANS. OBVIOUSLY IMPLEMENT THE PARKS MASTER PLAN, WHICH OUR BUDGET KIND OF CAPSULIZES IN A WHOLE. JUST TRYING TO MAINTAIN WHAT WE HAVE. WE STILL HAVE THE $110,000 FOR THE GRANT FOR BOTH HISTORICAL SOCIETY AND THE CULTURAL ART GRANT TO SUPPORT AN EVENT'S ARTS, CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL INITIATIVES. AND THEN WE HAVE IN HERE THE PRESERVATION OF FIRE STATION 22. FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT THROUGH THE CIP AND GENERAL FUND. AND THAT'S PARKS AND RECREATION. WHO PUTS THIS SLIDE DECK

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TOGETHER? WE PUT THIS TOGETHER. YOU PUT IT TOGETHER, HELENA? I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE COUNCIL, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE PARKS AND REC BUDGET AS A WHOLE NOT BROKEN DOWN LIKE THAT. BECAUSE RIGHT NOW, JAMES, HOW MUCH MONEY ARE YOU TAKING IN FOR PARKS AND REC TOTAL? DO YOU KNOW THAT OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? REVENUE? TOTAL. OF THE MONEY COMING INTO THE CITY. WHAT IS YOUR BUDGET? WE HAVE THAT SUMMARY. THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR PARKS AND REC. THE TOTAL BUDGET IS JUST OVER $10 MILLION. $10 MILLION FOR PARKS AND REC. AND THAT'S THE BREAKDOWN UP THERE IF YOU LOOK AT PARKS AND RECREATION. OKAY, GOT IT. ALL RIGHT. THAT'S THE MONEY SLIDE I WAS LOOKING FOR. THAT'S THE EXPENDITURES, RIGHT, THE PROPOSED BUDGET. THE PREVIOUS SLIDE SHOWS REVENUE. AND THIS IS THE REVENUE SLIDE. AND THE REVENUE. $10 MILLION IS YOUR BUDGET. BUT YOUR REVENUE IS ONLY 3.2. THAT'S NOT GOOD. THAT'S NOT GOOD FOR ANYONE. WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S TYPICAL OF PARKS AND REC BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT. WE'RE IN A HOT SPOT. WE CAN PUT A GATE AROUND THE PARK AND CHARGE AN ENTRY FEE. LIKE, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE SERVICES THAT PEOPLE PAY TAXES SO THAT THEY CAN GO TO PARKS. SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S JUST, I THINK FOR THESE SPECIFIC AMENITIES, IT'S APPROPRIATE TO LOOK FOR COST RECOVERY, LIKE SOUTHERN REC, GOLF COURSE, THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT THE GENERAL PARKS, THERE'S A LOT OF COSTS JUST ASSOCIATED WITH HAVING A GREEN SPACE AND LIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT PEOPLE CAN GO TO THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD AND UTILIZE SLIDES AND SWING SETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE'S NO REVENUE COMING IN FOR THOSE THINGS. THAT'S ALL PASSIVE. YEAH. OKAY, ANYTHING ELSE, JAMES? NO, THAT'S IT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? THANK YOU, JAMES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, JAMES. MATT MANSELL, DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS, WILL PRESENT THE STREETS MAINTENANCE BUDGET AS WELL AS FACILITIES INTERNAL SERVICES BUDGET. GOOD MORNING, MATT. GOOD MORNING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL. MATT MANSELL, YOUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR, HERE TO SHARE WITH YOU THE HIGHLIGHTS OF THE NEW YEAR. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE SLIDE IN FRONT OF YOU, PUBLIC WORKS IS BASICALLY YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE MAINTENANCE TAIL WITHIN THE CITY. SO WHENEVER ANYTHING IS BROUGHT ONLINE WITHIN THE CITY, IT'S USUALLY HANDED OVER TO US TO SAFEGUARD AND MAINTAIN FOR ITS LIFE CYCLE. EVERYTHING FROM ROADWAYS, STREET SIGNALS AND LIGHTS, SIGNAGE, IRRIGATION, LANDSCAPING, ETC. WE ALSO HAVE SOME DEDICATED CREW, SUCH AS OUR SPECIAL PROJECTS CREW MEMBERS, THAT ARE AN IN-HOUSE RESOURCE FOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS, SIDEWALK REPAIRS, THOSE SORTS OF THINGS. AND THEY'RE REALLY A FORCE MULTIPLIER WITHIN THE CITY TO STRETCH OUR TAX DOLLARS AS FAR AS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO GET SOME THINGS DONE. JUST TO INTERRUPT THERE, THIS IS THE GROUP THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PARKING AT INDIAN TRAIL SPORTS COMPLEX AND A MILLION DOLLAR SAVINGS THAT WE'LL SEE. LATER TODAY. SO ABSOLUTELY. I'VE SHARED THIS SLIDE WITH YOU OVER THE PAST FEW BUDGET YEARS. I JUST SHOW THIS AGAIN BECAUSE I WANTED TO, WE ARE KIND OF LOSING GROUND WHEN IT COMES TO THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WE'RE TAKING ON EACH YEAR COMPARED TO THE STAFF LEVEL THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE. AGAIN, THIS FISCAL YEAR, THERE'S NO NEW FTES WITHIN MY BUDGET PRESENTATION. WE DID REQUEST SOME, BUT THAT WAS... DEFINITELY TRIMMED AS WE FORTH THE BUDGET TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. THE PROJECTS THAT ARE COMING ON BOARD BETWEEN THIS FISCAL YEAR AND NEXT FISCAL YEAR ADD ABOUT 18,000 LABOR HOURS TO CURRENT WORKLOAD WITHIN THE STREETS DIVISION. THAT'S EQUIVALENT TO AROUND 9 TO 11 FTES WORTH OF WORK. WE CONTINUE TO TRY TO KEEP UP WITH THAT WORKLOAD AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE WITH THE PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT. THE CAPABILITY THAT WE HAVE, HOWEVER, YOU KNOW, WE'RE EXTENDING THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT IT TAKES US TO DO ROTATIONS WITHIN THE CITY, JUST PART OF THE FACTS OF THAT SITUATION. ALSO, AS YOU LOOK AT OUR OVERTIME, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE CREWS THAT START WORKING WEEKENDS, BASICALLY APRIL, MAY EACH YEAR, EXTENDING THROUGH OCTOBER TIMEFRAME. SOMETIMES LATER, DEPENDING ON STORM INTERFERENCE AS WELL, THAT MIGHT PUT US BACK ON SOME OF OUR FINAL ROTATIONS. SO OUR OVERTIME RATES DO CONTINUE TO GO UP AS WELL, AND WE CONTINUE TO LOSE SOME GROUND ON THOSE ROTATION TIMELINES. OUR BUDGET THIS YEAR DOES SHOW AN 8.5% INCREASE. A LOT OF THAT IS THINGS THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF OUR OPERATING SUPPLIES AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS THAT WE INFLUENCE INTERNALLY.

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AS YOU HEARD FROM SEVERAL OF THE OTHER DIRECTORS, OUR WORKMAN'S COMPENSATION RATES ARE GOING UP, OUR INSURANCE RATES ARE GOING UP, AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS DRIVING UP OUR PERSONNEL SERVICES LINE ON THIS BUDGET. OUR OPERATING EXPENDITURES DID SEE AN INCREASE. A LOT OF THAT IS IN ELECTRIC, WATER, AND OUR ENHANCED STREETLIGHT PROGRAM INCREASES THAT CONTINUE TO GO UP. WE DO HAVE SOME INCREASES IN SUPPLY. LINE ITEMS SUCH AS CHEMICALS AND ROAD MATERIALS AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS, JUST INCREMENTAL INCREASES ON THOSE. AND THEN OUR INTERNAL SERVICE FUNDS ALLOCATION, I THINK THE MAJORITY OF THAT INCREASE IS, AGAIN, DUE TO THE LIABILITY, THE PROPERTY LIABILITY INSURANCE CHANGE THAT WAS MADE THIS YEAR DRIVING THIS UP AROUND $156,000, I THINK, FOR THAT ONE. THAT'S INTERESTING GIVEN THE STATE ASSURES US THAT THEY'VE LOWERED INSURANCE COSTS AND THE ONLY REAL DRIVER OF COSTS IS LOCAL GOVERNMENT. I'M BEING SARCASTIC HERE. DON'T DO THAT. AND THEN OUR CAPITAL OUTLAY DID DECREASE SOME. THAT WAS JUST A DIFFERENCE IN A PURCHASE OF A PRINTER WE MADE LAST YEAR THAT WE DON'T HAVE. AS WE GET INTO FACILITIES MAINTENANCE, OUR FACILITIES MAINTENANCE CREW IS COMPRISED OF SEVEN PERSONNEL. THAT DOES INCLUDE THE SUPERVISOR WITHIN THAT DEPARTMENT AS WELL. AND THEN JUST LIKE WE SPOKE ABOUT WITHIN STREETS, WE'RE LOSING SOME GROUND ON HERE AS WE ONBOARD NEW FACILITIES AND INCREASE THE LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY THAT THEY TAKE ON. IF WE JUST LOOK AT THE INTERNATIONAL FACILITIES MANAGEMENT AGENCY STANDARD, THAT CREW SHOULD REALLY BE COMPRISED OF ABOUT 10 OR 11 PERSONNEL AT THIS POINT, NOT CONSIDERING THE SUPERVISOR AS WELL. HOWEVER, THEY DO SEEM TO BE KEEPING UP PRETTY WELL WITH THE CONTRACT SUPPORT AND THE PERSONNEL THAT WE HAVE ON BOARD RIGHT NOW. WE CURRENTLY MAINTAIN 31 PROPERTIES AND 53 BUILDINGS AND 288,000 PLUS SQUARE FEET. WE HAVE THE TWO NEW FIRE STATIONS COMING ON BOARD. I BELIEVE THE DECISION HASN'T BEEN MADE ON THE LEGACY STATION 22 AT THIS POINT, BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THAT UNTIL THE DECISION IS MADE. FACILITIES MANAGEMENT FUND SEES A MODEST INCREASE AS WELL FOR A LOT OF THE SAME REASONS THAT WE SPOKE ABOUT. MOST OF THE LINE ITEMS REMAIN FLAT, HOWEVER. YOU KNOW, WE SAW SOME INCREASES IN WORKMAN'S COMP AND INSURANCE AS WELL ON THIS ONE. WE DID INCLUDE SOME FUNDS IN OPERATING AS WELL AS SOME NEW AEDS FOR THE CITY, AND THOSE WILL BE INSTALLED IN COORDINATION WITH RISK MANAGEMENT. OTHERWISE, NO NEW FTES. DEPENDING ON ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE, I THINK THAT'S MY PRESENTATION. THANK YOU, MATT. WE ARE CONSTRAINED. I WISH I COULD GIVE YOU MORE PEOPLE. I KNOW WHAT YOUR MEN AND WOMEN DO EVERY DAY. IT'S JUST A TOUGH BUDGET CYCLE, AND I'M SURE YOU UNDERSTAND. SAME THING WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND FIRE AND EVERYONE ELSE. IT'S TOUGH. BUT WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION ABOUT YOUR STARTING SALARY FOR YOUR PERSONNEL, AND WE NEED TO DO BETTER IF WE CAN. THAT'S ALL I CAN SAY. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL? I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THAT. I KNOW EVERY YEAR YOU HAVE JUSTIFICATION FOR MEETING MORE PEOPLE, AND EVERY YEAR YOU SAY, I'M NOT GOING TO ASK FOR MORE PEOPLE. SO I APPRECIATE THE WORK IN THAT REGARD AND ECHO WHAT THE MAYOR SAID IN REGARDS TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE RESTRICTED. IF WE COULD, WE WOULD. I KNOW THAT DOESN'T HELP, BUT THAT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. YEAH, I'VE SAID SO MANY TIMES, I REALLY FEEL YOUR DEPARTMENT ARE THE UNSUNG HEROES OF THE CITY. AND I GENUINELY MEAN THAT, AND I HATE TO ONLY VIRTUE SIGNAL IN THAT REGARD, BECAUSE IN SAYING THAT, KNOWING THE NEED, YOU COME UP HERE EVERY YEAR, AND WE THANK YOU FOR BEING FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE AND NOT ASKING FOR FTES EVEN THOUGH YOU NEED THEM. AND IT'S JUST INCREDIBLY UNFAIR, AND IT'S HITTING ME A CERTAIN WAY THIS TIME AROUND, BECAUSE TO COUNCILMAN MILLER'S POINT EARLIER, YOUR TEAM SAVED US A MILLION DOLLARS, SO WHY CAN'T WE FUND TWO FTES? I FEEL LIKE IT'S JUST THANK YOU. VERY HYPOCRITICAL OF US, I GOT TO TELL YOU. AND THIS IS JUST COMING OUT OF ME, VERY UNPLANNED RIGHT NOW, BECAUSE IT'S GENUINELY HOW I FEEL. AND I WANT TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MAKE IT BETTER FOR YOU GUYS. I SEE ON THE OPTIONS NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED, YOU'VE GOT PUBLIC WORKS, STREETS, TWO FTES. WAS THAT WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER?

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I BELIEVE MY ORIGINAL TWO WOULD HELP. OKAY, AND WHEN YOU SAY STREETS, WHAT ALL DOES THAT ENTAIL? IF WE GO BACK TO LANDSCAPING, WHICH INCLUDES THE ARTS TEAM, WHICH THOSE FOLKS ARE THE ONES, THE TREE CREW, THEY'RE THE ONES TOO. IT ALSO SAVES US MONEY. IS THERE ANY CROSSOVER BETWEEN WHAT YOUR GUYS DO AND WHAT STORMWATER DOES? I WOULD SAY NOT DIRECTLY. WE DO A LOT OF SIMILAR WORK IN THAT MY GUYS ARE EQUIPMENT OPERATORS AS WELL. STORMWATER IS MUCH BETTER. OF WHAT THEY DO. I'M JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE IN THAT REGARD TO HELP OUT. JUST, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY A DISCUSSION FOR A DIFFERENT DAY. WHAT IS THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THIS YEAR THAT WAS SPENT ON OVERTIME OR THAT WE'RE ANTICIPATING FOR ALL OF FISCAL YEAR 26? SO WE'RE BUDGETED $80,000 IN FY26 FOR OUR STREETS. SIGNED AND SIGNAL. SIGNED AND SIGNAL HAD 30,000 FOR ONE FROM 80 AND 30 TO 90 AND 45. SO WOULD ADDING AN FTE NOT HELP REDUCE THAT? IT WOULD SOME. HOWEVER, IT'S... YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE SOME WORKED IN, I GET THAT, BUT... HAVE WE DONE AN ANALYSIS ON WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE? IF WE WERE TO ADD ONE FTE, HAVE WE DONE AN ANALYSIS ON WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE FORM OF A REDUCTION IN THE OVERTIME? SO IT DOESN'T AGGREGATE QUITE THE SAME WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE CAPABILITY. I SEE. I WAS THINKING OF A TANK OR SOME OTHER SYSTEM, RIGHT? OKAY. YEAH, IT WOULDN'T BE EQUAL TO LIKE A SPECIFIC. MADAM VICE MAYOR. WE'VE GOT ABOUT 45 OTHER POSITION REQUESTS THAT WE COULD DO THE SAME. THIS YEAR WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT ALMOST 50 THAT WERE WELL JUSTIFIED AS WELL ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION. WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING. WELL, NO, AND I KNOW, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT. I'M JUST, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE HAD THIS SAME CONVERSATION WITH MATT STANDING RIGHT THERE YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND IT'S NOT FAIR. IT'S NOT FAIR TO PUBLIC WORKS. I GET IT. I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST, LIKE I SAID, BEING VERY CANDID AND TRYING TO SHOW APPRECIATION HERE TO YOU AND YOUR TEAM. AND I'M GOING TO TRY TO SEE WHAT CAN BE WORKED OUT. BUT I JUST WANTED TO ASK THAT QUESTION AS FAR AS OVERTIME VERSUS ADDING ANOTHER EMPLOYEE OR TWO. AND THEN WHEN IT SAYS VEHICLES, BECAUSE SO FOR THE PUBLIC, WHAT I'M LOOKING AT IS THE, AND I KNOW WE'RE GOING TO GET THERE, BUT THE SLIDE THAT SAYS OPTIONS NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED. TWO FTES AND TWO VEHICLES AT A COST OF $302,000. DO THE TWO FTES HAVE TO BE ATTACHED TO TWO VEHICLES? I'D MUCH RATHER HAVE THEM IN A SEAT. OKAY. THAT WAS MY QUESTION. THANK YOU. HELENA, A QUICK RECAP ON IF YOU CAN. YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO ANSWER THIS OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD. FROM THE THE EXCEL YOU SENT ME, IT WAS 1.767 MIL FOR OVERTIME. HOW MUCH OF THAT HAVE WE USED, AND WHAT ARE WE ON PACE? WILL WE SURPASS THAT AMOUNT, OR ARE WE GOING TO COME IN UNDER BUDGET ON THAT MONEY THAT WAS BUDGETED FOR OVERTIME? SO I'D HAVE TO GO BACK AND RUN FOR THE ENTIRE CITY. THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT ARE OVER, LIKE FIRE AND SOME OF THE... WATER, WASTEWATER, THAT WILL BE OVER IN OVERTIME. MOST OF THE TIME IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE OPEN POSITIONS, SO THEY BALANCE WITH SAVINGS WITHIN SALARIES. BUT THOSE UTILITIES ARE NOT FUNDED BY THE GENERAL FUND. THAT IS CORRECT, NO. SO IT WOULDN'T BE PART OF THOSE COMPANIES. BUT WE DO HAVE WITHIN DEPARTMENTS' BUDGETS. IF THEY HAVE AN OPEN POSITION, THEY'LL SPEND MORE IN OVERTIME. BUT AS LONG AS OVERALL THEY'RE

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STILL WITHIN BUDGET, IT DOESN'T REALLY GET FLAGGED. BUT COULD YOU PROVIDE US NUMBERS? TO SHOW WHERE WE'RE AT AS FAR AS WHAT COMES OUT OF THE AD VALOREM OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT YOU KNOW BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S ON THERE BUT IF YOU COULD SEPARATE IT DOWN AND TELL US WHERE WE'RE AT FUND ALONE TOTALS UM SO WE'RE AT A MILLION TWO MILLION TWO SO SO FOUR HUNDRED FIVE HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS UM MATT JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S EDIFICATION. CAN YOU GIVE US A LITTLE ABOUT THE IRRIGATION SPECIALIST YOU HAD? YOU REMEMBER THAT STORY YOU TOLD ME? CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT TO THE COUNCIL, HOW THAT WORKED OUT? YOU REMEMBER THAT STORY ABOUT WHAT YOUR STARTING SALARY IS AND HOW TO KEEP THEM ON BOARD WITH YOU COMPARED TO A COMMERCIAL COMPANY? SO THE NUMBERS AREN'T AS FRESH? FOR OUR ENTRY LEVEL COACHED OFF OF YOU AFTER YOU COMMITTED THE TIME, RESOURCES TO TRAIN AND GET THEM SQUARELY. I THINK THAT'S WHERE THAT SALARY SURVEY, LANDSCAPING DIVISION, THE SIGNAL. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNTY? YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. MR. MANSELL, I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. UM YOU CAN ASK ANYBODY FOR THE GENERAL PUBLIC, YOU CAN ASK ANYBODY IN AN ORGANIZATION AND MATT PROBABLY KNOWS THEM ALL BY FIRST NAME. HE'S GOT A PRETTY SIZABLE ORGANIZATION. JUST YOUR LEADERSHIP, THE CULTURE THAT YOU'RE DRIVING FOR SERVICE OF OUR RESIDENTS. I'VE STOPPED AND I JUST BUMP INTO THEM, RIGHT? WE'RE DOING A LOT OF WORK ALL ACROSS THE CITY. THEY HAVE A POSITIVE ATTITUDE, A CAN-DO ATTITUDE. JUST WHEN YOU SEE HIM OUT THERE. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, CUTTING GRASS AND, YOU KNOW, A BAZILLION DEGREE HEAT, JUST GO OVER THERE AND SHAKE THEIR HANDS. BUT, MATT, IT ALL STARTS WITH YOU, AND I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR LEADERSHIP. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL? THANK YOU SO MUCH, MATT. THANK YOU, MATT. DOUG AKINS, DIRECTOR OF IT, WILL PRESENT THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY OPERATIONS BUDGET. GOOD MORNING, COUNCIL. DOUG AKINS, IT DIRECTOR. THIS SLIDE LARGELY COVERS WHAT MY DEPARTMENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR. MOST OF YOU ARE VERY FAMILIAR WITH THE OPERATIONS OF IT, SO I WANTED TO, INSTEAD OF COVERING WHAT WE DO, TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE NOTABLE THINGS THAT OUR DEPARTMENT WAS ABLE TO DO THIS YEAR WITH THE FUNDS THAT YOU ALLOCATED TO US. PROBABLY THE MOST PUBLIC ONE THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF IS THE MOBILE APP, BEING ABLE TO RELEASE THAT THIS YEAR, DONE COMPLETELY IN-HOUSE. SO FAR TO DATE, OVER 4,000 DOWNLOADS OF THE APP ON BOTH PLATFORMS. WE'RE ABOUT TO ENTER THE NEXT MAJOR TESTING PHASE FOR AN UPDATE THAT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT LACKLUSTER BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE A VERY BIG PUBLIC FRONT, BUT IT'S THE EMERGENCY MODE WHERE, JUST LIKE OUR CITY WEBSITE, WHEN WE HAVE A HURRICANE COMING OR SOME DISASTER, WE CAN FLIP THE WEBSITE OVER AND SHOW PERTINENT INFORMATION TO THE EMERGENCY WHILE STREAMLINING CASES. ANOTHER BIG PROJECT WE WORKED ON WAS THE TIME AND ATTENDANCE CLOUD MIGRATION. SO IN FEBRUARY, WE WENT LIVE WITH A PLATFORM THAT WAS A LEGACY PLATFORM ON-PREM INTO AN UP-TO-DATE PLATFORM IN THE CLOUD. ANYTIME YOU TOUCH TIME AND ATTENDANCE AND PAYROLL, IT'S VERY PARTICULAR WITH THE THINGS YOU TOUCH, BUT WE'RE ABLE TO GO LIVE WITH NO ISSUES, NO HITCH. AND THE METHODOLOGY WE CHOSE SAVED US OVER $110,000 IN ONE-TIME FEES THE WAY WE IMPLEMENTED THAT PROCESS. ALSO, INTERNAL WORKFLOW IMPROVEMENTS. OUR TEAM WAS ABLE TO TAKE A RISK MANAGEMENT PROCESS THAT WAS LARGELY MANUAL AND DIGITIZE THAT WITHOUT ANY ADDITIONAL SOFTWARE, ALL JUST WITH STAFF TIME. AS WELL AS A UTILITY FIELD WORK ORDERS PROCESS THAT WAS LARGELY STILL PAPER IN THE FIELD. WE WERE ABLE TO DIGITIZE, MAKE THAT ELECTRONIC, INTEGRATE IT WITH THE EXISTING PLATFORM. AND IN BOTH OF THOSE CASES, THE STAFF MEMBER IS RESPONSIBLE, ONE EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH BACK-TO-BACK FOR THEIR WORK ON THIS PROJECT. SO ALL THIS WORK BEING DONE WITH A LARGE OPERATIONAL WORKLOAD STILL GOING ON, NEW SERVER ROOMS STANDING UP, CYBERSECURITY INITIATIVES, DEALING WITH FIBER OUTAGES AND FIBER CUTS

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ON TOP OF... ANSWERING ABOUT 2,500 SUPPORT TICKETS EACH MONTH. SO I'M INCREDIBLY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT MY TEAM HAS DONE AND ACCOMPLISHED, AND THEY CONSISTENTLY FIND WAYS TO DELIVER MORE VALUE WITH THE RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE ALLOCATED AND ENTRUSTED US. SO FOR FY27, THE IT DEPARTMENT'S AT 22.5 FTES. THAT'S NOT CHANGING. WE'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY NEW POSITIONS. OUR REQUESTED BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR IS $7 MILLION. $216,736. THAT'S AN INCREASE OF 3.8%. AND THE LARGEST INCREASE CHIEF BERRYHILL ALREADY TOUCHED ON IS THE CAD SOFTWARE ALLOCATION INCREASE. THAT'S GOING FROM $16,000 AGAIN TO ALMOST JUST OVER $87,000. AND THAT'S 40% OF WHAT THE ACTUAL TOTAL BILL WILL BE FROM THE COUNTY NEXT YEAR. SO THEY RECALCULATE THAT COST. EACH YEAR BASED ON THE CALLS FOR SERVICE IN AN AREA THIS YEAR THE TOTAL COST WAS ESTIMATED TO BE $218,212 SO THAT GOES INTO OUR BUDGET DIRECTLY ALLOCATED TO FIRES BUDGET SO WHAT IS ALLOCATED THIS YEAR IS EXPECTED TO AT LEAST DOUBLE BY NEXT YEAR OTHER BUDGET DRIVERS ARE JUST REGULAR ANNUAL SOFTWARE INCREASES AS WELL AS OTHER COSTS WE HAVE TO MAINTAIN CITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND WE HAVE ONE STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN PRIORITY, AND THAT IS TO RESEARCH DEVELOPING A FUTURE SMART CITY MASTER PLAN. REQUIRES NO COST, ONLY STAFF TIME TO DO RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT ON THAT PROCESS. PREVIOUS PRIORITIES, IDENTIFY THE ENTERPRISE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLATFORM AS A RECOMMENDATION. THAT IS AN UNFUNDED PRIORITY, BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE IT IDENTIFIED. SO IN THE FUTURE, IF FUNDING BECOMES AVAILABLE, WE KNOW IN WHAT DIRECTION. SO ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE IT BUDGET? SO JUST FOR CLARITY IN TERMS OF SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THE BUDGET SOME OF THE OTHER DEPARTMENTS WE SEE THE REVENUES WITH THIS A LOT OF THIS WILL BE FUNDED BY INTER-FUND TRANSFERS, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT. YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS KIND OF PUBLIC, THAT ESSENTIALLY EACH DEPARTMENT USES A SHARE OF YOUR SERVICES AND THEN THEY PASS SOME OF THAT BACK TO YOU AS THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH IT. SO ALL THE OTHER DEPARTMENT SLIDES WHERE YOU SEE INTER-GOVERNMENTAL TRANSFERS, PART OF THAT IS THE IT ALLOCATION. OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY OUT THERE THAT THIS $7 MILLION IS NOT NECESSARILY COMING AS DIFFERENT MONIES FROM... THESE OTHER DEPARTMENTS, IT'S THE SAME MONIES COMING FROM EACH DEPARTMENT BEING KIND OF TRANSFERRED INTO IT TO COVER THEIR COST SHARE OF IT SERVICES. I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU FOR THE INFORMATION, AND THANK YOU FOR THE CONTINUED WORK ON THE APP. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US MAYBE DO A PUSH FOR THAT, CONSIDERING WE ARE, IF WE'RE NOT, WE'RE TECHNICALLY IN HURRICANE SEASON ALL RIGHT, YEAH. IF WE ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO PUSH OUT INFORMATION IN REAL TIME OR SAFETY NOTIFICATIONS OR ANYTHING IN THAT REGARD, I THINK THAT RESIDENTS SHOULD BE AWARE OF THAT. SO IF WE CAN MAYBE GET WITH COMMUNICATIONS AND HIGHLIGHT THAT AS BEING A PART OF THE APP TO BENEFIT OUR RESIDENTS, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A POSITIVE THING. SO THANK YOU FOR CONTINUING TO WORK ON THAT AND FOR THE PRESENTATION AND THE SUMMARY OF EVERYTHING THAT YOU ALL HAVE DONE. YES, MA'AM. ONCE THAT TESTING IS DONE AND WE GO LIVE WITH THAT UPDATE, WE'LL MAKE THAT PUSH. I WONDER TOO, SPEAKING OF THE APP, I'M NOT SURE, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT WHEN WE TRY TO DO PUBLIC OUTREACH, SOMETIMES THE PARTICIPATION IS LOW. I SEE THAT AT TPO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT ROADS, AND I THINK ROADS ARE TOP OF MIND FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE, BUT YET WE HAVE THESE PUBLIC OUTREACH WORKSHOPS AND THREE PEOPLE SHOW UP IN A TOWN OF 100 PEOPLE. BUT I WONDER IF THERE'S NOT A WAY TO SOLICIT, YOU KNOW, REQUESTS FOR FEATURES OR CONTINUOUS IMPROVEMENT ON THE APP. TO SEE KIND OF WHAT THE PUBLIC TO OR WHAT DRIVE USAGE MORE IN MORE WAYS. I KNOW WE HAVE A PLAN TO IMPROVE FEATURES WHATEVER YOU IN ANY CASE, SPEAK SO THAT WE CAN. YEAH, I WONDER, YOU KNOW,

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I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S LIKE A POPULATION THAT'S LIKE, HEY, WE'RE ASKING FOR YOUR HELP. GIVE US FEEDBACK BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF LOOKING FOR THE OTHER PAGE. TO TRY TO DO THAT. I KNOW YOU GET STUFF FROM ME FROM TIME TO TIME. BUT I THINK USERS, BEING IN SOFTWARE DEVELOPMENT, THE BEST WAY TO TEST IS IN PRODUCTION, WHICH MEANS WHEN USERS USE THINGS, THEY FIND FLAWS WITH THINGS THAT A TESTER DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIND, OR THINGS THAT SEEM LIKE THEY NATURALLY SHOULD WORK A CERTAIN WAY AREN'T THE WAY THEY WERE DESIGNED, AND THAT FEEDBACK CAN REALLY HELP IMPROVE THE PRODUCT. THAT'S WHERE I'M GETTING AT WITH THAT. SO MAYBE WE CAN JUST TRY TO KEEP THAT IN MIND AND SEE IF WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT A PROGRAM TO GET SOME MORE FEEDBACK FROM THE USERS. FEEDBACK IS VERY IMPORTANT. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL? THANK YOU, DOUG. THANK YOU. WE WILL NOW REVIEW THE NON-DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET. THERE ARE SEVERAL COMPONENTS TO THIS BUDGET. WE'LL REVIEW THEM INDIVIDUALLY. SO THE INTERIM FUND TRANSFER OF $1.4 MILLION, THAT IS TO THE CRA FUND. WE ARE PROPOSING THE CONTINGENCY FOR REVENUE AND EXPENDITURE FLUCTUATIONS AS WELL AS VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD CHANGES AS WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE ON THE SLIDE, THE BOTTOM PART OF IT, WE HAVE IT BREAKING DOWN BETWEEN 2006 AND 2027. SO FOR 27, BUDGETED CONTINGENCY OF $400,000. THE CONTINGENCY FOR RETIREMENTS AND LEAVE PAYOUTS YOU THAT IS NEW THIS YEAR. IN THE PAST, WE HAVE INCORPORATED THEM WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT'S INDIVIDUAL BUDGETS. THIS IS MORE EFFECTIVE FOR US TO BUDGET THROUGH THE CONTINGENCY BECAUSE WE DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW WHO WILL RETIRE, WHO WILL LEAVE. SO THIS WAY, WE HAVE A POOL THAT WE CAN USE TO FUND THOSE PAYOUTS IF AND WHEN THEY HAPPEN. THEY'RE ALSO BEING FUNDED FROM APPROPRIATED FUND BALANCE, SO NOT NECESSARILY FROM CURRENT YEAR TAX REVENUES. AND THE 200,000 FOR THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD. SORRY TO JUMP IN. FOR THIS THAT WE'RE SPECIFICALLY TALKING ABOUT, THE PAYOUT OF EARNED BENEFITS, SO TO SPEAK, DID WE USE HISTORICAL DATA TO COME UP WITH THE CONTINGENCY? WE DID AN AVERAGE OF 2,025, AND WE USED THAT AVERAGE TO CALCULATE THE AMOUNT. OKAY. THANK YOU. WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR REVENUE ESTIMATES FROM THE STATE AS WELL AS FINALIZING DEPARTMENT BUDGETS. YOUR PROPOSED BUDGET AS PRESENTED TODAY LEAVES AN ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION OF FISCAL YEAR 2025 FUND BALANCE RESERVE, AND THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR CITY COUNCIL CONSIDERATION FOR ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES OR CAPITAL PROJECTS. I KNOW VICE MAYOR HAD ASKED ABOUT THAT BALANCE EARLIER IN THE PRESENTATION, SO THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET DIRECTION FROM COUNCIL. WHAT WAS THE AMOUNT AGAIN? $2 MILLION. THERE'S $2 MILLION. OKAY, SO... AND JUST FOR CLARITY, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY LEFTOVER FUNDS FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR BUDGET? THAT IS CORRECT, FROM 2025. SO ONCE WE CLOSE THE FISCAL YEAR, THE AUDIT'S COMPLETED, WHATEVER'S LEFT IN... WE'LL FORWARD THAT. ...OVER THE RESERVE, YES. SO I HAVE A QUESTION ON THE CONTINGENCY. IT SAYS IN 2020, YEAH, 2026, WE ADOPTED $574,000. ESTIMATED IS $386,000. SO IS THAT BASED ON WHERE WE'RE AT YEAR TO DATE? YES. SO FIRST WE ZERO OUT THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD AGAINST THE PROPERTY REVENUE THAT WAS RECEIVED. AND THEN WE ADJUST THE CITY MANAGER CONTINGENCY. SO RIGHT NOW, CITY MANAGER CONTINGENCY IS SITTING AT $386,250. TYPICALLY, WE USE IT IN THE LAST THANK YOU. QUARTER OF THE FISCAL YEAR, NOT NECESSARILY IN THE EARLIER PARTS OF THE FISCAL YEAR. WHAT TYPES OF THINGS IS THAT USED ON? SO RIGHT NOW WE'VE REDUCED IT FOR THE BALANCE OF THE SALARY SURVEY AND SOFTWARE WITHIN THE HR DEPARTMENT THAT HAD CARRIED FROM THE PREVIOUS YEAR, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THE WORKERS' COMP ADJUSTMENTS TO GO. WE DON'T KNOW WHERE IT'S GOING TO END UP BECAUSE WE'RE STILL PROCESSING PAYROLL, RIGHT? WE'LL PROCESS UNTIL MID-OCTOBER. WE'LL KNOW WHERE OUR WORKERS' COMP IS GOING TO END UP. AND WE ALSO HAVE LEGAL COSTS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN DEDUCTED FROM THE CONTINGENCY. BUT WE'LL CONTINUE TO UPDATE IT AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS. OKAY, SO I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I HAVE AN ACCURATE PICTURE OF WHERE WE SIT RIGHT NOW FOR THE FUND BALANCE. SO I HAD SENT AN EMAIL ASKING FOR INFORMATION AS TO WHAT STAFF WAS PROPOSING FOR

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THE FUND BALANCE AND THEN WHAT WAS LEFT FOR KIND OF COUNCIL CONSIDERATION. SO I'M GOING TO LIST THESE FOR EVERYBODY'S BENEFIT BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT IT OUTSIDE OF THIS ARENA. SO WE HAVE A TOTAL OF ABOUT 4.2 IN THE FUND BALANCE. OUT OF THAT, STAFF IS PROPOSING $400,000 FOR THE CM CONTINGENCY. CITY MANAGER, I APOLOGIZE. $200,000 FOR THE VALUE ADJUSTMENT BOARD. $290,000 FOR THE RETIREMENT AND LEAVE PAYOUT CONTINGENCY. $100,000 FOR THE LDC TECHNICAL MANUAL UPDATE, WHICH I'LL HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT IN A MINUTE. $50,000 FOR THE CHARTER AMENDMENT THAT WE HAVE TO PUT ON THE BALLOT. $24,000 FOR PARKS AND REC EQUIPMENT. $24,000. THESE ARE ROUND NUMBERS. $60,000 FOR A SOFTWARE UPDATE, $100,000 FOR FIRE FUNDING OPTIONS FEE STUDY, AND THEN $850,000 FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES. THAT COMES OUT TO A LITTLE UNDER $2.1 MILLION, WHICH LEAVES US A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION FOR COUNCIL DIRECTION, RIGHT? OKAY, SO MY QUESTIONS. THE LDC... TECHNICAL MANUAL I THOUGHT WE FUNDED IN THE CURRENT FISCAL YEAR. I BELIEVE THAT'S THE TECHNICAL MANUAL UPDATE PORTION OF IT, BUT WE MIGHT NEED CLARIFICATION FROM MR. ZOBLER. OKAY. VICE MAYOR, THE TECHNICAL MANUAL IS THE THIRD LEG OF THE UPDATES, THE COMP PLAN, THE LDC, AND THEN THE TECHNICAL MANUAL OF THE ENGINEERING JOURNAL. OKAY, SO BASICALLY BASED ON THE CHANGES WE MAKE TO THE LDC THIS YEAR, WE THEN HAVE TO UPDATE THE TECHNICAL MANUAL. THAT'S CORRECT. AND WE OUTSOURCE THAT. JB PRO HELPS US WITH THAT WORK. OKAY, SO AND THEY'RE WHO'S HELPING US CURRENTLY. PARDON ME? ARE THEY WHO'S HELPING US CURRENTLY WITH THE LDC? THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT OF. THANK YOU. SO IF WE, SO WITH THE $2 MILLION THAT WE HAVE IN THE FUND BALANCE, ASSUMING WE GRANT EVERYTHING THAT STAFF IS REQUESTING IN THE FIRST 2.1, WHICH I WILL NOT BE, BUT WE CAN GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE WHILE. BUT WITH THE REMAINING $2 MILLION, IF WE DON'T USE IT, WHAT HAPPENS TO IT? IT WILL SIT IN FUND BALANCE AND WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AFTER WE CLOSE SEPTEMBER 30, 2026. YES, THAT IS CORRECT. AND THEN... TRUE OR FALSE, WE CAN USE IT TOWARDS REDUCTION OF MILLAGE OR NOT, BECAUSE WHAT YOU PRESENTED TO US IS A MILLAGE INCREASE. THE BUDGET THAT WE SAW TODAY IS BASED ON A MILLAGE INCREASE. CAN WE NOT PUT THE $2 MILLION TOWARDS GENERAL FUND IN ORDER TO AVOID A MILLAGE INCREASE? SEE, THAT WOULD CREATE AN OPERATION DEFICIENCY BECAUSE YOU'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING A ONE-TIME REVENUE FOR ONGOING EXPENDITURE. SO THE INTENT IS TO NOT CREATE OPERATIONAL DEFICIENCIES WITH YOUR FUND BALANCE, IS TO FUND ONE-TIME TYPE OF EXPENDITURES. IS THERE ANY PURCHASE OF FLEET THIS YEAR IN ANY FUNDS OR ANY DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND? ANY NEW PURCHASES? I BELIEVE THE ONLY ONE WAS THE PARKS AND REC EQUIPMENT FOR THE TRAILERS FOR THE 24,000. THAT'S THE 24,000. ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY THANK YOU YOU'RE WELCOME WHAT ELSE YOU GOT SO HERE WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER OPTIONS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY FUNDED THESE WERE NOT INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED TODAY UM UNFUNDED ITEMS ARE A LITTLE OVER 3.3 MILLION AS YOU CAN SEE THE NINE DEPUTIES FOR FLAGLER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AT APPROXIMATELY 1 MILLION ADDITIONAL STAFF REQUESTS FOR NEW POSITIONS APPROXIMATELY APPROXIMATELY 739 000 UH FIRE HAD REQUESTED AN FTE AND A VEHICLE PARKS MAINTENANCE AN FTE AND A VEHICLE PLANNING AND CODE 1 FTE AND PUBLIC WORKS TO FTES AND TWO VEHICLES ALSO WITHIN THE CITY OF PALM COAST WE HAVE OTHER UNFUNDED ITEMS UNFUNDED POSITIONS COST OF LIVING ADJUSTS AND CITY COUNCIL PRIORITY FROM FISCAL YEAR 26 FOR THE

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ENTERPRISE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLATFORM DOSE TOTAL ABOUT 1.5 MILLION SO YOU CAN SEE THERE THE INTERN PROGRAM HAS BEEN REMOVED THE COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST HAS BEEN UNFUNDED THE HR SPECIALIST REMAINS UNFUNDED GRANTS COORDINATOR UNFUNDED A POSITION IN CME FOR PROJECT MANAGER THAT'S UNFUNDED OUR COST LIVING ADJUSTMENT ANDY ENTERPRISE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLATFORM. AND SO JUST LIKE THE PREVIOUS ASK ABOUT MILLAGE, IF WE WERE TO TRY TO USE SOME OF THAT EXTRA FUNDING FOR THESE, THAT WOULD STILL CREATE A DEFICIENCY AS WELL, RIGHT? BECAUSE THE NEXT YEAR WE MIGHT NOT HAVE THAT MONEY COMING IN. THAT IS CORRECT. THE ONLY ONE UP THERE THAT YOU COULD POSSIBLY USE IT FOR WOULD BE THE ENTERPRISE ASSET MANAGEMENT PLATFORM BUT YOU'RE STILL NOT ACCOUNTING FOR ONGOING COSTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT SOFTWARE. RIGHT, THE LICENSE COSTS, YEAH. THAT IS CORRECT. IT WOULD ONLY BE THE INITIAL INVESTMENT. AND WE COULD POTENTIALLY BE IN WORSE SHAPE. NO, 100%. I MEAN, YEAH, IF YOU HAVE LESS REVENUE, NOW YOU DON'T HAVE EXCESS MONEY, YOU HAVE LESS, BUT YOU'VE NOW FUNDED A COUPLE POSITIONS THAT YOU WOULD BASICALLY HAVE TO MAKE TOUGH DECISIONS ON THE NEXT YEAR. THAT'S ALSO THE CASE WHEN YOU FUND. POSITION IS JUST A HALF YEAR, RIGHT? YOU'RE ONLY FUNDING IT A HALF YEAR. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE THE FIRST YEAR BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HIRE THEM RIGHT AWAY, BUT THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR YOU HAVE TO MAKE UP FOR THE OTHER HALF WITHIN YOUR EXISTING REVENUES. RIGHT, IT BECOMES A FULL YEAR COST. THAT IS CORRECT. IF COUNSEL DOESN'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM CHIEF STRAWBRIDGE. HE'S HERE FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE TO TALK TO US ABOUT THE REQUEST FOR THE NINE DEPUTIES FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. THANK YOU. MARK STRAWBRIDGE, FLAGLER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. TO ADD, THOUGH, TO WHAT SHE JUST SAID ABOUT FUNDING, ONE WAY TO MAKE SOMETHING CLEARER, IN THE BUDGET THAT 8% OF IT IS $971,000, THE MAJORITY OF THAT INCREASE IS ACTUALLY THE RESULT OF PARTIAL FUNDING THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. SO WHEN YOU HAVE TO PAY THE FULL FREIGHT, IT DOES INCREASE, WHICH WOULD BE TRUE AS IT IS OUTLINED IN THE... A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE NINE NEW DEPUTY SHERIFFS BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALSO PHASED IN. SO IN THE FOLLOWING YEARS, IT'S GOING TO KICK IN AND YOU'LL HAVE TO PAY THE FULL FREIGHT ON THAT. YEAH, SO WE'RE BASICALLY PAYING PART OF THAT $971,000 IS TWO AT HALF A YEAR AND TWO AT A QUARTER OF A YEAR. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT DOING A PHASED-IN FUNDING ON FTES MAKES THAT MORE DIFFICULT. MORE THAN THREE YEARS AGO, I CAME BEFORE WITH THE DEPUTY. CITY MANAGER LAUREN JOHNSTON TO A GROUP SESSION JUST LIKE THIS OF CITY COUNCIL AND BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONS AND WE LAID OUT A PLAN THAT WAS BASED ON TWO PEER-REVIEWED STUDIES DONE BY THE UNIVERSITY OF NORTH FLORIDA ON MANPOWER ALLOCATION AND WHAT IT SAID BASICALLY IS WE'RE BEHIND AND THE CITY HAS DONE WONDERFUL GREAT STRIDES IN MOVING THE NEEDLE ON GETTING US CLOSER TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE FROM BEING BEHIND, SO IS THE COUNTY AS WELL. IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THE PLAN WAS 9, 9, AND 9. WE'LL COME UP ON OUR THIRD YEAR OF THE 9. THAT'S THESE NINE INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE IN OUR REQUEST. AND, OF COURSE, I'M NOT GOING TO BORE YOU WITH ALL THE STATS. THE SHERIFF WAS HERE A COUPLE WEEKS AGO AND GAVE YOU ALL THAT INFORMATION. BUT WHERE WE ARE TODAY IS THAT WE'RE STILL BEHIND. AS A RESULT. AND MATT MANSELL HAS DONE A GREAT JOB WITH THE CITY. I GREW UP IN THE ORLANDO AREA. ORLANDO WAS KNOWN AS THE CITY BEAUTIFUL. IT'S NOT TRUE TODAY. THE CITY OF PALM COAST IS SO MUCH MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN THE CITY OF ORLANDO. IT TRULY IS NOW. I WAS A KID IN THE 60S IN ORLANDO PRE-DISNEY. EXPLOSIVE GROWTH IN THE CLIMATE AND EVERYTHING CHANGED. THEY NEVER GOT CAUGHT UP WITH THEIR READING. MATT HAS DONE A GREAT JOB MAKING THIS COMMUNITY LOOK BEAUTIFUL AS A RESULT, AND IT'S ONE THAT I'M HAPPY TO LIVE IN THIS COMMUNITY. BUT IF WE SLIDE BEHIND, WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE TO PLAY CATCH-UP IN EVERYTHING THAT WE DO, AND THOSE COUNCILS AND COMMISSIONS YEARS BEFORE YOU ALL GOT HERE ARE THE CAUSE OF THAT. YOU HAVE SOME VERY TOUGH DECISIONS TO MAKE AND ACROSS THE BOARD PUBLIC SAFETY IS INCLUDED IN IN ROADS, FIRE, AND EMS, AND LAW ENFORCEMENT SERVICES,

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AND OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE WITHIN YOUR COMMUNITY. UTILITIES IS AN IMPORTANT PART. EVERY PIECE OF THAT MAKES OUR CITY WHAT IT REALLY IS. SO I JUST ASK THAT IN YOUR CONSIDERATION OF ALL THESE THINGS WITH THE TOUGH DECISIONS YOU HAVE TO MAKE. ABOUT THIS THAT WE TRY NOT TO FALL BEHIND. OUR GOAL IS STARTING NEXT SPRING WILL BE THE THIRD STUDY, SAME GROUP OF INDIVIDUALS TO FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE. AND AS IT IS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND US, OUR WORKLOAD CONTINUES TO INCREASE AND CALLS FOR SERVICE AND OUR POPULATION THAT WE SERVE CONTINUES TO INCREASE ACROSS. SO AS YOU CONSIDER THOSE THINGS, JUST KEEP... BEAR ALL OF THAT IN MIND, THERE IS A COST TO DOING BUSINESS IN OUR CORE SERVICES. AND THE PROPERTY APPRAISER WAS CORRECT IN WHAT HE SAID. HE SAID THAT THERE IS NOTHING THAT'S TRULY PROTECTED UNDER THE LEGISLATORS. AND IN 45 YEARS OF FLORIDA GOVERNMENT SERVICE, WE GET A LOT OF UNFUNDED MANDATES FROM TALLAHASSEE THAT SAY WE HAVE TO DO X, Y, AND Z. AND, YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T AFFECT THEIR BUDGET, BUT IT AFFECTS OURS. LOCALLY AND YOU GUYS GOT THE TOUGHEST JOB BECAUSE REALLY YOU KNOW WHEN OUR GOVERNMENT WAS FORMED IT WAS FORMED WITH THE IDEA OF LOCAL LEADERSHIP BEING ABLE TO DIRECTLY INTERACT WITH FOLKS AND DOING WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU GUYS ARE FACING AS A RESULT OF THIS I JUST ASK FOR THOSE KIND OF CONSIDERATIONS THAT WE DON'T GET BEHIND ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF? THANK YOU, CHIEF. AND I MENTIONED IT TO THE SHERIFF WHEN HE WAS HERE, THAT WE WERE CONSTRAINED. BUT I CAN TELL YOU THAT WHAT YOU GUYS ARE TRYING TO DO IS TO MAINTAIN AND GET US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE. THERE'S NO DOUBT IN THAT. AND I HAD THE CONVERSATION WITH TRACY, WHO WORKED IN A CONTRACT CITY DOWN IN SOUTH FLORIDA, THANK YOU. SHERIFF IS TRYING TO DO EXACTLY WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO TO KEEP THE CITY AND THE COUNTY SAFE. IT'S JUST WE ARE, AND WE'RE ETERNALLY GRATEFUL FOR IT. IT'S JUST WE ARE VERY CONSTRAINED, AND I KNOW YOU GUYS UNDERSTAND THAT. YES, SIR. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. THANK YOU. SO NOW WE WILL MOVE FORWARD TO MILLAGE RATE REVIEW AND OPTIONS. THIS CHART SHOWS 10-YEAR HISTORY, HISTORICAL TRENDS. I'M SORRY. CAN WE GO BACK? YES, SIR. SO UM CITY MANAGER I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU YOU AND THE STAFF BEFORE WE GO INTO THE MILLS RATE DISCUSSION FOR UM TAKING A LOOK INTERNALLY RIGHT TIGHTENING YOU KNOW AS A STAFF TIGHTENING IN YOUR OWN BELTS AND AND JUST LAY IT OUT FOR US HEY THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT UM YOU KNOW WE'RE TAKING YOU KNOW PROACTIVE LOOK ON UM BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO FUND A COUPLE THAT YOU KNOW THAT 3.34 MILLION WITH THE 3.328 MILLION THAT'S ALREADY A DIFFERENCE IN THE BUDGET FROM THIS YEAR TO LAST YEAR. WE'RE TALKING, YOU KNOW, REALLY ALMOST 6.7 MILLION AND SOMETHING WE'RE DECIDING NOT TO DO AND THEN TAKING A LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, THE DIFFERENCE WITH JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS AND MOVING FORWARD. AND SO I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU, CITY MANAGER AND HELENA, FOR TAKING THE LEAD AND HELPING ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND TAKING AN INTERNAL LOOK ON. WHAT'S THE ART OF THE POSSIBLE OF TRYING TO SAVE MONEY BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE ON TO THE MILLAGE AS WELL. AND I ECHO YOUR SENTIMENT. I KNOW THIS IS TOUGH FOR EVERYBODY. THIS IS NEVER A FUN TIME OF YEAR, SO THANK YOU GUYS FOR YOUR EFFORTS. IS IT POSSIBLE, BECAUSE WE ARE UNDER WHAT HAS ESSENTIALLY TURNED INTO A YEAR-BY-YEAR CONTRACT, THAT I FEEL IS... FRAGILE, ESPECIALLY WITH TODAY'S NEWS WITH THE FLAGLER HUMANE SOCIETY. IS IT POSSIBLE TO MOVE THAT CONTRACT COST, OR I SHOULD SAY TAKE THOSE MONIES OUT OF FUND BALANCE, OR NO? WELL, IT IS AN ONGOING OPERATIONAL EXPENDITURE IN THE SENSE THAT YOU WOULD BE MAYBE NOT... SPENDING IT WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY IN THE FUTURE, BUT YOU'D STILL HAVE A PROGRAM, RIGHT, FOR ANIMAL CONTROL. OKAY. SO I WOULD CAUTION AGAINST THIS. YES, EXACTLY. YOU CAN SAY THAT. THAT'S OKAY. BE HONEST.

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THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. SO IN TERMS OF THE INTENT OF USE THAT IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S RECURRING COSTS, RIGHT? SOMETHING LIKE TRYING TO STAND UP THE ALTERNATIVE FACILITY. WOULD BE A BETTER APPROPRIATE USE, RIGHT? BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE SOMEWHERE WE CAN GO ASIDE FROM THE HUMANE SOCIETY WITH PETS. SO... I THINK THERE'S, FOR EVERYTHING, WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ALTERNATIVE THAT PROVIDES US WITH NON-LONG-TERM EXPENSES THAT WE DON'T WANT TO SPEND. THEN THE NEXT YEAR, IT'S $1.5 MILLION OF ONE, AND WE STILL HAVE THAT SAME SHORTFALL, OR EVEN A BIGGER SHORTFALL. CORRECT. SAME WITH THE STAGGERED STARTING DATE. RIGHT. THAT CREATES A SHORTAGE IN THE FUTURE. SO WHEN I WAS, I SENT SOME BUDGET QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS AND UH HELENA YOU WERE GREAT IN GETTING SOME RESPONSES BACK TO ME IN CONJUNCTION WITH CITY MANAGER SO WE'RE YOU SAID THAT WE'RE NOT FUNDING A COLA FOR OUR CURRENT FOR OUR EMPLOYEES IN FISCAL YEAR 27 BUT WE ARE FUNDING A MERIT INCREASE OF ANYWHERE BETWEEN ZERO AND THREE PERCENT CORRECT, CORRECT DO WE HAVE THE FIGURE AND WE DID THAT LAST YEAR RIGHT SO WE DID THAT FOR FISCAL YEAR 26 RIGHT WE FUNDED A MERIT INCREASE DIDN'T WE YES WE DID AND A COLON OKAY. SO DO WE HAVE THE FIGURE THAT THE ACTUAL, THAT ENDED UP COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND ONLY FOR FISCAL YEAR 26? WE HAVE THE CALCULATION OF WHAT WOULD BE TO ADD FOR 27. IT'S ABOUT $575,000. OKAY. AND WHAT IS THAT BASED ON? IS THAT BASED ON EVERY EMPLOYEE IN THE GENERAL FUND GETTING A 3% MERIT INCREASE? OH, NO, I'M SORRY. I WAS QUOTING YOU THE COLA. THE COLA IS $575,000. IF WE WERE TO ADD THE COLA, IT WOULD COST US $575,000. AND IT WOULD BE EVERY EMPLOYEE IN THE CITY RECEIVING A 2% COLA, I BELIEVE IS WHAT'S IN THAT NUMBER, RIGHT, GWEN? I BELIEVE SO. IN JANUARY. SO IT WOULD BE FOR THREE QUARTERS OF THE YEAR. OKAY, BUT WHAT DO WE HAVE PROJECTED FOR THE MERIT? IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER, THAT $575,000, BUT I CAN GET THE EXACT AMOUNT FOR YOU BECAUSE IT'S 3%. THE COLA UP THERE IS BASED ON 2%, SO IF YOU FIGURE ANOTHER THIRD OF THAT FOR SURE. SO IT'S 3%, BUT IT'S MERIT-BASED, RIGHT? SO, LIKE, SOME PEOPLE DON'T RECEIVE 3%. YEAH, IT'S 0 TO 3. SO THAT'S WHY. BASED ON PERFORMANCE. BUT WE BUDGET, AS IS EVERYBODY, IS GOING TO BE RECEIVING 3%. SO YOU'RE SAYING THE FULL BUDGET IS 3%, AND THEN YOU GUYS WITHIN IT? AS THE EVALUATIONS ARE DONE, THAT'S DETERMINED BY EACH DEPARTMENT DIRECTOR. THE REST ROLLS BACK TO THE CITY. OKAY, SO THE... WHATEVER'S UNUSED WILL REMAIN IN FUND BALANCE, WILL BE REANALYZED WHEN WE CLOSE THE FISCAL YEAR. YEAH, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THAT, BUT MY, AND I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR COUNCIL WOULD BE, WOULD IT BE MORE PRUDENT TO PUT A CAP ON THAT, AND THEN STAFF IS ACTUALLY, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU ALL DECIDE THE MERIT, SO THAT'S WITHIN YOUR PURVIEW, BUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO PREVENT IS AN AUTOMATIC 3% MERIT INCREASE. WHEN SOME MAY DESERVE IT AND SOME MAY NOT. BUT IF WE BUDGETED THAT AND THEN YOU SAY, WELL, WE'RE JUST GOING TO THROW THE REMAINING INTO FUND BALANCE, WHAT IS THE CURRENT MERIT INCREASE COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND FOR GENERAL FUND EMPLOYEES? SO CURRENTLY FOR THE FISCAL YEAR 2026, THE MERIT WAS 0% TO 3% WITH AN OPTION OF 10% OF YOUR WORKFORCE, YOUR HIGHER PERFORMERS, UP TO 5%. BUT WE REMOVED THAT GOING FORWARD. RIGHT, BUT MY QUESTION IS, DOES THAT MONEY COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND? YES. OKAY. IF IT DOESN'T GET USED, IT THEN POPS INTO FUND BALANCE, WHICH TO ME IS SOMEWHAT OF A RESTRICTED POT BECAUSE WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T WANT TO FUND ONGOING THINGS WITH IT, RIGHT? SO IN MY MIND, IT WOULD BE MORE FISCALLY PRUDENT TO SAY, LET'S PUT A LIMIT ON THAT AND MAKE STAFF WORK WITHIN THAT LIMIT. BECAUSE WE ARE VERY LIMITED IN OUR GENERAL FUND MONIES, INCREDIBLY LIMITED. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT NOT FUNDING NECESSARY. IN OTHER WORDS, IF $575,000, AND I'M JUST USING THE FIGURE THAT WAS JUST THROWN OUT, IF $575,000 IS WHAT WE'RE SAYING WE COULD USE FOR MERIT INCREASES, BUT LET'S SAY WE ONLY USE $400,000 OF IT, THAT $175,000, WHICH COULD HAVE BEEN USED BY MATT MANSELL FOR TWO MORE FTES, IS NOW BEING POPPED INTO FUND BALANCE. WHICH WE CAN'T USE FOR TWO FTUS. RIGHT. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY FOR THAT LINE ITEM TO BE TREATED. SO IN MY MIND, I'M THINKING WE EITHER JUST GO WITH THE 2% COLA BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT THAT COST LOOKS LIKE, OR WE SAY WE'RE GOING

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TO GIVE A MERIT KIND OF POT TO GENERAL FUND DIRECTORS TO THEN DIVVY OUT ACCORDINGLY AND OPEN UP A LITTLE BIT MORE GENERAL FUND MONEY THAT WE CAN USE ON OTHER THINGS. I DON'T KNOW WHAT COUNCIL'S FEEDBACK ON THAT IS, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I'M AT, SO THAT WE HAVE SOME CONCRETE NUMBERS HERE. HELENA, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE ENTIRE POOL FOR THE MERIT INCREASES WOULD BE? I KNOW IT WOULD BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER THAN THE 575, BECAUSE THAT'S BASED ON 2% VERSUS 3%. BUT THERE'S AN EVALUATION PROCESS, AND MAYBE WE NEED TO GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM HR, HUMAN RESOURCES, ON THAT, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE AN EVALUATION PROCESS. AND DEPENDING ON HOW EACH EMPLOYEE SCORES, THERE'S AN ACTUAL SCORE THAT'S CALCULATED THROUGH THE SYSTEM THAT DETERMINES WHICH BUCKET ARE THEY GOING TO BE IN. YOU KNOW, THE NO MERIT, THE 2%, THE 3%. SO WE WOULD HAVE TO WORK WITHIN THOSE GUIDELINES AND POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. YEAH, I THINK WHERE I'M STRUGGLING, TOO, IS I DON'T KNOW HISTORICALLY WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, RIGHT? SO WHEN THAT'S DONE, DOES THAT... USUALLY RESULT IN A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE OF EMPLOYEES GETTING 1%, A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE GETTING 2%. WE CAN BRING THAT TO YOU. WHEN WE MEET ON TUESDAY, WE'LL HAVE A CLEARER PICTURE OF MAYBE A GRAPH THAT SHOWS WHAT FALLS WITHIN THAT 3%, 2%, 1%, OR 5%. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE LAST YEAR, OR I GUESS FISCAL YEAR 26. AND DID WE DO THAT? I DON'T REMEMBER. I'M SORRY. DID WE DO THAT IN FISCAL YEAR 25? YES. SO 25 AND 26 ARE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME. OKAY. THIS IS THE FIRST YEAR SINCE COVID THAT WE'RE PROPOSING A REDUCTION IN THAT TYPE OF BENEFIT, SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO BRING IN THAT GRAPH. I'LL WORK WITH HUMAN RESOURCES TO CREATE THAT. THEY WOULD BE HIGHER BECAUSE IT WAS 1 THROUGH 3 OR 5 VERSUS THIS IS 1 THROUGH 3. BUT IT WOULD GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF WHERE. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, TOO, AS PART OF THAT PROJECTED WITH 3, WITH THE 1 THROUGH 3, 0 THROUGH 3, REALLY, BASED. SO WE CAN SEE TO WHAT THE POINT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE OF POTENTIAL THAT CAN BE SHIFTED TO MAYBE TWO FULL-TIME FTES OR SOMETHING ELSE AS PART OF THAT? AND THEN ALSO THE FUND BALANCE, SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE. I THINK THE MERIT LAST YEAR WAS A LITTLE OVER. WE HAD THAT DISCUSSION. JUST BASED ON THIS, IF IT'S 3%, IT WOULD BE LIKE SOMETHING. ELENA, SO JUST TO BE CLEAR FOR EVERYBODY, THE COLA. AN INCREASE ACROSS THE BOARD, RIGHT? COST OF LIVING EXPENSE. CORRECT. WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR EMPLOYEE WORKFORCE UNDER THE MERIT PROGRAM WOULD THEY RECEIVE THAT ADDITIONAL? I HEARD YOU SAY 10% EARLIER. IS THAT THE TARGET? I'LL GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE. WHEN I USED TO EVALUATE CIVILIANS AS A GENERAL OFFICER, AND WE WOULD BUMP, YOU KNOW, ON THE FEDERAL SCALE, WE WOULD BUMP PEOPLE, NOT JUST... BONUS OR WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE, BUT IT WAS CALLED THIS WITHIN GRADE INCREASE AND THEIR PAY WOULD ACTUALLY GO UP, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. IT WAS VERY LIMITED. I MEAN, IT WAS LIKE ONE OR 2% OF THE PEOPLE THAT WORKED FOR ME. AND SO I JUST WANT TO BE CLEAR, COLA IS EVERYBODY, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. COLA IS EVERYBODY. AND SO WHAT PERCENTAGE OF OUR WORKFORCE WOULD THAT BE? IS IT BASED ON THE DOLLARS OR A CERTAIN PERCENTAGE? SO COLA WOULD BE EVERYBODY, RIGHT? MERIT INCREASE, WHAT WE'VE HAD IN THE PAST THAT WE DON'T HAVE BUDGETED FOR 27 IS 10% OF YOUR DEPARTMENT PERSONNEL. SO LET'S SAY MAYBE TWO PEOPLE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT COULD GET UP TO 5%, WHEREAS THE REST HAD TO BE WITHIN THE ZERO TO THREE. SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT FOR THIS YEAR. WE USED TO CALL THAT OUR PERFORMANCE PLUS PROGRAM. THAT'S BEEN REMOVED. AND THEN EACH DEPARTMENT HAS WITHIN THEIR ORG CHART AUTO PROMOTE PROGRAM WHERE THERE ARE CERTAIN CRITERIA THAT AN EMPLOYEE HAS TO MEET AND MAYBE YOU CAN

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MATT MANSELL HAS A REALLY GOOD PROGRAM IN HIS DEPARTMENT SO MAYBE YOU CAN HEAR FROM HIM SO THERE ARE CERTAIN LEVELS THAT AN EMPLOYEE CAN MOVE WITHIN THE ORGANIZATION DEPENDING ON CERTIFICATIONS WORK SKILLS EDUCATION SO THAT IS BUILT INTO THE DEPARTMENT. WE SIT WITH, GWEN DOES, AND HER TEAM SITS WITH EACH DEPARTMENT HEAD AND GOES, WHO'S GOING TO BE ON THE OTHER PROMOTE PROGRAM FOR NEXT YEAR, RIGHT? AND WE BUILD THAT INTO THE PROGRAM. THAT'S WITHIN YOUR APPROVED BUDGET. AND SO ARE ANY CERTIFICATION PAYS THAT ARE PART OF OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. OKAY, THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO TO THE POINT, I THINK IT KIND OF DEPENDS ON THE ORGANIZATION. THE COMPANY THAT I WORK FOR DOESN'T PROVIDE A COLA. EVERYTHING'S MERIT-BASED. SOME YEARS THAT IS 1% TO 3%. SOME YEARS IT'S 3% TO 5%. SOME YEARS IT'S DURING THE COVID ERA, ZERO FOR TWO YEARS IN A ROW. SO I HAVEN'T WORKED FOR AN ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES BOTH THE COLA AND MERIT. IT'S KIND OF USUALLY KIND OF UP TOGETHER. JOBS THAT I'VE WORKED, BUT I THINK IT LOOKS DIFFERENT FROM MY COMPANY BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY DO THAT. THIS IS NOT PROMOTIONS. PEOPLE STILL GET PROMOTED SEPARATE FROM BOTH OF THEM. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT. THIS IS JUST A PAY INCREASE. I'M JUST SAYING FOR THE PUBLIC. THIS IS MOSTLY, YOU KNOW, COLAS ARE MOSTLY BASED ON KEEPING UP WITH INFLATION IN SOME WAY. MERIT INCREASES ARE SHOWING THAT THEY'RE TECHNICALLY SKILLED AND GOOD AT THEIR JOBS. BEING MORE SKILLED. AND WE'RE ALSO UNDER A CURRENT SALARY SURVEY, SO NONE OF THE RESULTS, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT, WE'RE PENDING WHAT THOSE RESULTS ARE GOING TO BE, BUT NONE OF THAT IS INCORPORATED INTO THE BUDGET EITHER. WE'D HAVE TO HAVE DISCUSSIONS NEXT YEAR. THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYTHING ELSE? GO RIGHT AHEAD. LET'S GO TO THE HARD PART. LET'S GO TO THE FUN PART. THIS CHART SHOWS 10 YEARS OF HISTORICAL TRENDS IN PROPERTY VALUES, MILLAGE RATE, RECEIPTS COLLECTED, AND POPULATION GROWTH. WE HAD TO UPDATE THIS CHART. THE VERSION THAT ORIGINALLY WENT OUT WITH THE AGENDA WAS INCORRECT FOR 2024 FORWARD. WE HAD A FORMULA ERROR, AND I DO CERTAINLY APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. EXCEL DOESN'T CARRY VERY WELL INTO POWERPOINT. SO AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, THE CORRECT NUMBERS. WE'VE GONE FROM SINGLE DIGITS TO DOUBLE DIGITS BACK TO VERY LOW SINGLE DIGITS. THAT'S WHAT'S CREATING SOME OF THE STRESS THAT WE'RE HAVING IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. OUR MILLAGE RATE, AS YOU CAN SEE THERE, 10 YEARS AGO WAS 4.59. IT WENT TO 4.69 FOR THREE YEARS, AND THEN IT'S DECLINED EVER SINCE. SO THERE'S BEEN AN EFFORT TO REDUCE THAT RATE QUITE A BIT. DO WE KNOW WHY IT WENT UP DURING THAT TIME PERIOD? SO UM THERE WERE ADDITIONAL REQUESTS THAT CAME IN FROM CITY COUNCIL A LARGE MAJORITY OF THAT RELATED TO NEW DEPUTIES FOR THE FLAGLER COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE ALSO I'M DIGGING INTO MY MEMORY HERE UH FUNDING FOR THE STREET LIGHTS PROGRAM WAS PART OF THAT AND OTHER PRIORITIES UM I.T INFRASTRUCTURE WAS ANOTHER ONE ONE YEAR I'D HAVE TO REALLY GO BACK AND I JUST CURIOUS WHY THE COUNCIL DECIDED. AND AS YOU CAN SEE ALSO, YOU KNOW, POPULATION GROWTH, WE'VE INCREASED QUITE A BIT IN THE PAST 10 YEARS. YEAH, I THINK IT WAS 26. IT HAD 0.22%. I'M LIKE, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. NO. AND THEY HAD ONE, YEAH, IT WAS 2024. PERCENTAGE CHANGE IN PROPERTY IS LIKE 30.40. I'M LIKE, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. THOSE TWO COLUMNS. KIND OF DIDN'T CALCULATE TOGETHER. WE ALREADY REVIEWED THE LEGISLATIVE IMPACTS. GO BACK ONE PLEASE HELENA OR TWO I'M SORRY. YOU CAN SEE BY OUR POPULATION GROWTH WE'VE ONLY GROWN BY 08,000 PEOPLE AND OUR, OUR AD VALOREM RECEIPTS IS NOT VERY MUCH THAT'S OUR CONSTRAINT. VERY CONSTRAINED BASED ON THE YEAH SO, SO THE BUDGET THAT YOU'RE RECOMMENDING CITY MANAGER IS JUST UNDER A 20 24 MILLAGE RATE BUT WE HAD I DON'T KNOW JUST AND THAT WAS A ROLLBACK YEAH THAT WAS THAT WAS 17 000 PEOPLE LESS IN THE CITY I'LL GO TO YOU TO RECOMMENDED ELENA OR YES SO WE'RE GOING TO NEED DIRECTION TODAY SO WE CAN FINALIZE THE

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MAXIMUM MILLAGE RATE FOR NEXT TUESDAY'S BUSINESS MEETING. A REMINDER, THIS IS THE MAX. YOU CAN STILL HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE IT AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE BUDGET PROCESS, BUT YOU CANNOT INCREASE PAST THE MILLAGE RATE THAT YOU SET AT NEXT TUESDAY. THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 ADOPTED RATE WAS 4.0893. THE ROLLBACK RATE. FOR FISCAL YEAR 27 WOULD BE 4.1389 THE BUDGET AS PRESENTED IS AT 4.2296 AND IF YOU WERE TO ADD ALL OF THE UNFUNDED OPTIONS YOU WOULD BE AT 4.5350 IS THAT IT HELENA UH ALSO NOT NOTED ON THIS SPECIFIC SLIDE IS MILLAGE RATE DEDICATED TO THE PAVEMENT PROGRAM I THINK THERE WAS A NEEDS AND DEFICITS THAT WERE REVIEWED AT THE CITY COUNCIL IN MAY. THAT PLAN REMAINS UNFUNDED BY $9.9 MILLION. THAT WOULD RESULT IN A MILLAGE INCREASE OF $0.9 OVERALL. AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO GET SOME DIRECTION ON WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE NEXT TUESDAY. MR. MAYOR, WHEN YOU SAY, SORRY TO INTERRUPT, WHEN YOU SAY $0.9 OVERALL, THAT'S $0.9 ON TOP OF THIS PROPOSED ALL-UNFUNDED OPTION. SO, LIKE, IF WE WERE GOING TO INCLUDE... FUNDING THE ROAD PROGRAM FULLY AS NEEDED, WE WOULD HAVE TO GO TO LIKE 5.4. THAT IS CORRECT, 5.4349. I HAD JUST ONE GENERAL COMMENT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS AND YOU SEE THE ROLLBACK RATE, IN FACT, WOULD BE AN INCREASE IN THE MILLAGE RATE, AND SO PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO GO TO THE ROLLBACK RATE, BUT IT REALLY DEPENDS ON INFLATION AND THE COST-OF-LIVING ANALYSIS. IT HAS A TREMENDOUS IMPACT ON THE BUDGET, AND THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE. EXAMPLE. NORMALLY, THE ROLLBACK RATE, BASICALLY, THE ROLLBACK RATE IS TO HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF DOLLARS COMING IN FROM LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR. AND NORMALLY, THE ROLLBACK RATE, YOU KNOW, REDUCES THE MILLAGE. IN THIS CASE, TO DUPLICATE, EVEN TO JUST DUPLICATE WHAT WE TOOK IN LAST YEAR, WE STILL WOULD HAVE TO INCREASE THE MILLAGE RATE, THE LOSS IN VALUE. SO JUST FOR EDIFICATION I ASKED STAFF WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE AS FAR AS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO TO OUR BUDGET IF WE WENT TO ROLLBACK AND IF WE WENT TO WHAT OUR CURRENT ADOPTED MILLAGE RATE IS FOR 2026. SO IF WE WERE TO DIRECT STAFF TO GO TO ROLLBACK, THAT WOULD BE A MILLION DOLLAR CUT, RIGHT? AND IF WE STUCK, IF WE KEPT THE MILLAGE FLAT, IN OTHER WORDS, WE JUST KEPT IT WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND 1.5 MILLION, ROUGH, CORRECT? SORRY, IT LOOKS LIKE. 0.1 MILS IS ROUGHLY EQUAL TO CLOSE TO A MILLION DOLLARS. WHAT DO YOU NEED FROM US, HELENA? DIRECTION ON WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO SEE FOR NEXT TUESDAY? SO JUST TO BE CLEAR, SO YOU'RE ASKING US TO SET A MAXIMUM MILLAGE. THIS IS NOT WHAT WE'RE ADOPTING. WE'RE NOT GOING TO ADOPT IT UNTIL... NOT TODAY. WE'RE GIVING DIRECTION TO SET IT NEXT WEEK, RIGHT? SET IT NEXT WEEK, CORRECT. AND THEN, WELL... I GUESS THE QUESTION IS DO WE WANT TO LEAVE OURSELVES ROOM FOR DISCUSSION COURSES OF ACTION DEVELOPMENT OR MAYBE REVISIT OUR SAPS TO MEET EITHER ONE OF THOSE MARKS BECAUSE ONCE WE SET IT NEXT WEEK THE CEILING THAT'S IT THEN THAT'S YEAH WE'RE LIMITING OURSELVES TO UM TO A DECISION GOING FORWARD AND MR. MAYOR IF I COULD IT AND WE WILL NEED TO RECONVENE FOR SAP AND SERVICE LEVEL EXPECTATIONS IF IF THAT'S THE RESULT I JUST JUST TO POINT OUT, THE 4.2296 RECOMMENDATION DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY NEW SHERIFF'S DEPUTY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I THINK I WAS GOING TO MAKE THAT POINT OR ASK, BUT WE KIND OF KNOW THAT WOULD BE ABOUT 4.34 IF WE WERE TO INCLUDE THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES. OKAY. SO HERE'S, I'LL JUST SHARE WITH... YOU GUYS WHERE I'M AT. I WANT US TO FIND $2.5 MILLION. AND I SAY THAT BECAUSE I WANT US TO BE ABLE TO FUND THE SHERIFF. AND I WANT AND I THE REASON I'M SO ARDENT ABOUT THAT IS WE MADE A COMMITMENT TO ENTER INTO A THREE YEAR PLAN TO GET THEM CAUGHT UP ON DEPUTIES, WHICH THEY WERE SEVERELY BEHIND ON BECAUSE OF OUR INCREASE IN POPULATION.

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SO TO THE EXTENT I CAN. FOLLOW THROUGH ON THAT I WANT TO TRY VERY HARD UM SO IF WE WERE TO KEEP THE MILLAGE AT THE RATE THAT IT'S CURRENTLY AT THAT'S 1.5 MILLION PLUS THE MILLION FROM THE SHERIFF SO TO ME I'M THINKING OKAY TERESA HOW DO YOU FIND 2.5 MILLION DOLLARS UM AND LOOKING AT TODAY'S BUDGET I WOULD NOT AGREE TO INCREASE THE FLAG OR HUMANE SOCIETY CONTRACT UM AND LOOKING AT ABOUT WHAT THAT WOULD DO I THINK THAT WOULD CUT ABOUT TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS FROM THE GENERAL FUND BUDGET AS PROPOSED TODAY. I DON'T KNOW HOW I FEEL ABOUT THE CITY MANAGER CONTINGENCY BECAUSE I HAVEN'T REALLY SEEN THE HISTORY OF THAT CONTINGENCY. DEFINITELY SOMETHING I'D WANT TO LOOK HARDER AT, BUT THAT'S COMING OUT OF FUND BALANCE, SO THAT HAS A ZERO EFFECT REALLY ON THE GENERAL FUND. SAME THING WITH THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES. I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ALLOCATE $865,000 RIDDLER'S. TOWARDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, WHEN RIGHT NOW WE HAVE AN INTENT TO PROBABLY UTILIZE ABOUT $350,000 OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES, AND WE HAVEN'T EVEN USED WHAT WE ALLOCATED LAST YEAR FOR THEM. I WANT TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VERY MUCH, BUT I DON'T WANT US TO GET IN THIS REPETITIVE CYCLE WHERE WE'RE EARMARKING DOLLARS THAT AREN'T BEING UTILIZED IN THAT FISCAL YEAR, AND SO THAT'S MORE MY CONCERN. SO I WOULD MAYBE LOOK TO YOU JOHN AND CRAIG TO REEVALUATE THAT AND MAYBE COME BACK TO US. I WANT TO SEE HOW WE CAN REDUCE COSTS AT THE SOUTHERN REC CENTER. $400,000 COMING OUT OF OUR GENERAL FUND IS A LOT OF MONEY RIGHT NOW FOR ONE FACILITY. WE ASKED OUR TEAM TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE GOLF COURSE AND HAVE A REALLY QUICK TURNAROUND. THEY DID IT. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THAT SAME APPROACH WITH SOUTHERN REC CENTER AT THIS POINT. I WOULD LIKE US TO FIND TWO FTES WITHOUT NEW VEHICLES FOR PUBLIC WORKS FOR REASONS THAT I'VE ALREADY STATED, AND I DON'T THINK I NEED TO GET INTO THAT ANYMORE. WOULD APPRECIATE THE MERIT INCREASES COMING BACK FOR MORE INFORMATION. THE LAST THING, AND THIS IS GOING TO BE THE BIG ONE, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THE BENEFIT OF NICKEL AND DIMING IF WE'RE REALLY GOING TO MAKE AN IMPACT. I WANT US TO SEVERELY CUT CODE ENFORCEMENT, AND I MEAN SEVERELY. I THINK WHEN I GOT ON COUNCIL, WE WERE ONLY A COMPLAINT-BASED CODE ENFORCEMENT SYSTEM. IT HAS TURNED INTO A PROACTIVE SYSTEM WHERE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS HAVE ROUTES THAT THEY REGULARLY TRAVEL AND CITE INDIVIDUALS. AND MAYBE I'M WRONG IN THAT WHEN I STARTED IT, IT WASN'T LIKE THAT. BUT EITHER WAY, THAT'S HOW IT IS NOW. AND WE HAVE EARNED OURSELVES THE MONIKER OF BEING THE LARGEST HOA IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. THE CITY OF PALM COAST IS THE BIGGEST HOA IN THE STATE OF FLORIDA. AND I KIND OF AGREE WITH THAT. I THINK THAT IF PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE IN AN HOA, THEY'LL MOVE TO AN HOA. I KNOW ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF LIVING IN THE INFO LOTS IS THAT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE UNDER. YOU HAVE AN INFO LOT. YOU ENJOY THE FACT THAT YOU CAN FILE A COMPLAINT AGAINST YOUR NEIGHBOR FOR VIOLATING ONE OF OUR CODES. AND CODE ENFORCEMENT WILL RESPOND ACCORDINGLY. AND THE POLICY IS THAT CODE ENFORCEMENT THEN COMES OUT. THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO A 180 AND MAKE SURE IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE WHO'S IN VIOLATION OF ANY OF OUR CODES, THEY TICKET THEM TOO. THIS AVOIDS ALLEGATIONS OF SELECTIVE ENFORCEMENT. IT ALSO IS EFFICIENT, RIGHT, BECAUSE THE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS ALREADY OUT THERE AT THE PROPERTY. AND SO GOING IN AND COMING OUT, THEY CAN LOOK TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY OTHER VIOLATIONS. BUT I AM ASKING FOR CONSENSUS FROM COUNCIL. TO GET RID OF THE PROACTIVE REGULAR ROUTE POLICY OF CODE ENFORCEMENT AND TO BECOME A COMPLAINT-BASED SYSTEM ONLY. AND ON THEIR WAY INTO WHATEVER THE CALL WAS AND ON THEIR WAY OUT FROM WHATEVER THE CALL WAS, THEY'RE ALSO CITING ANY OTHER VIOLATIONS THEY SEE. MADAM VICE MAYOR, ON THAT, WE'VE JUST STARTED A PILOT STUDY WITHIN CODE ENFORCEMENT OVER A TWO-WEEK TIME PERIOD TO SEE WHAT THAT EXACT... EFFORT WOULD LOOK LIKE AS FAR AS OPERATIONALLY? BECAUSE WE'RE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES THAT GO INTO THAT APPROACH. SO JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, TO CATCH YOU UP, THE LATEST AND GREATEST, THAT PILOT STUDY HAS BEEN KICKED. I'M GOING TO HAVE SOME GOOD DATA WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. I APPRECIATE THAT. I THINK, THOUGH, TOO, IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT, IT IS LARGELY ABOUT THE BUDGET, BUT IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THAT. IT'S ALSO ABOUT WHAT ARE WE AS

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A GOVERNMENT SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE? AS A GOVERNMENT, WE ARE SUPPOSED TO PROVIDE CORE SERVICES, NECESSARY CORE SERVICES. I DON'T THINK CODE ENFORCEMENT, HAVING REGULAR ROUTES TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE ARE CUTTING THEIR GRASS AND AREN'T PARKING IN THE SWALES, IS A CORE GOVERNMENT FUNCTION. IT'S BENEFICIAL TO HAVE CODE THERE TO BE ABLE TO PICK UP THE PHONE AND CALL AND SAY, HEY, MY NEIGHBOR IS CONSTANTLY PARKING IN MY SWALE AND IT'S DOING DAMAGE. TOTALLY AGREE THAT THAT SHOULDN'T GO AWAY AND RESIDENTS SHOULD STILL HAVE THAT ABILITY. AND I RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT CALLS TO CODE ENFORCEMENT ARE PUBLIC RECORD, AND IT CAN CAUSE AN ISSUE IF A NEIGHBOR IS CALLING ON ANOTHER NEIGHBOR AND, YOU KNOW, THAT NEIGHBOR SAYS, HEY, WHO CALLED ON ME? AND NOW YOU'VE GOT A NEIGHBOR TO SPEAK. I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THOSE THINGS. BUT I THINK THAT WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM THE STATE OF FLORIDA, WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM OUR REPRESENTATIVES IN TALLAHASSEE, IS THAT WE NEED TO GET BACK TO CORE GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS. AND SO THIS IS A WAY THAT I THINK WE CAN DO THAT. GENERALLY SPEAKING, I RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO PASS A BALANCED BUDGET, AND I RECOGNIZE THE NEED TO REDUCE GOVERNMENT SPENDING TO ENSURE THE FOCUS REMAINS ON THOSE CORE GOVERNMENT FUNCTIONS. SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, AS WE'RE LOOKING AT PASSING A BALANCED BUDGET AND AS WE'RE LOOKING TO GETTING BACK TO THAT, THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN DO THAT IN A BIG WAY. SO I'M ASKING IF WE CAN AT LEAST HAVE THAT CONSIDERED BY COUNCIL MOVING FORWARD. SORRY. SO I DIDN'T CATCH THE VERY BEGINNING WHEN YOU WERE SAYING NEED TO FIND $2.5 MILLION. IN TERMS OF WHAT RATE ARE YOU SUGGESTING? KEEPING IT FLAT, 2026 ADOPTED MILLAGE. SO $4.0893. AND I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO ADOPT THAT AS THE MAX TODAY OR GIVE DIRECTION AS THAT BEING THE MAX, BUT THAT IS WHAT I WILL BE ADVOCATING FOR AS WE MOVE FORWARD. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, I LIKE TO BE AS TRANSPARENT AS POSSIBLE WHEN WE'RE DOING THINGS LIKE THIS. SO THAT'S JUST WHERE MY HEAD'S AT. I'M NOT SAYING THAT I WON'T GO ALONG WITH WHAT COUNSEL SUGGESTS IS THE MAX, BUT I WILL BE ADVOCATING FOR KEEPING IT FLAT AND MAKING SOME PRETTY BIG CHANGES IN HOW WE OPERATE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I COMPLETELY AGREE IN TERMS OF THE SHERIFF'S CONTRACT. THAT WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT. WE SAID WE WERE GOING TO DO THESE THINGS. OBVIOUSLY, THINGS HAVE CHANGED FROM THE STATE LEVEL. THE DRIVERS IN TERMS OF PROPERTY VALUATIONS GOING DOWN THIS YEAR AND PREVIOUS YEARS, I THINK THAT'S A MARKET FORCE THAT'S HAPPENING. I READ SOMEWHERE THAT ONE IN SEVEN OPEN INVENTORY HOMES IN THE UNITED STATES OR IN FLORIDA. SO THAT'S LIKE WHAT, 15, 16% OF ALL AVAILABLE HOMES IN THE UNITED STATES OR IN FLORIDA. SO THAT'S, I THINK, WHAT'S DRIVING THE DOWNWARD VALUATIONS ON HOMES RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THERE'S A LOT AVAILABLE. AND THEN IN TERMS OF PUBLIC WORKS, I AGREE WITH THAT TOO, AS LONG AS WE CAN FIND THAT MONEY IN A RESPONSIBLE WAY. I APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS IN TERMS OF SOME OF THIS MONEY. YOU KNOW, SOME OF THESE ARE HARD NUMBERS, RIGHT? LIKE FLAGLER HUMANE SOCIETY, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENTS. AND I WAS LIKE, WE CAN SAY, OKAY, THAT'S 200 GRAND, THAT'S 350 GRAND. SOUTHERN REC BECOMES A LITTLE BIT MORE DIFFICULT BECAUSE WE SAY WE NEED TO DRIVE DOWN COSTS, BUT THE COSTS, WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GOING TO COME. AND THE SAME THING WITH CODE. UNDERSTANDING, HEY, THE CHANGE IN THIS APPROACH, HOW MANY DOLLARS DOES THAT SAVE? SO I'D LIKE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THOSE ITEMS SPECIFICALLY TO UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH MONEY WE'RE LOOKING TO SAVE, OR DO WE JUST NEED TO SAY, THIS IS HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GOT, YOU KNOW, IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE STAYING ON TARGET. YOU KNOW, WITH CODE, IT'S BACK AND FORTH, RIGHT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY PRIOR TO THE EXISTENCE OF THE CITY, THESE WERE RULES THAT WERE IN THE CDD. YOU KNOW A LOT OF THESE THESE ARE KIND OF PRE-EXISTING RULES THAT PALM COAST HAS KIND OF BEEN ABIDING BY FOR 60 OR SO YEARS AND IT'S PART OF THE REASON WHY PEOPLE LIKE IT AND MOVE HERE BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEIR NEIGHBOR'S YARD ISN'T GOING TO BE THREE FEET TALL THEY KNOW THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE CARS YOU KNOW THAT DON'T RUN IN THEIR DRIVEWAY AND IT'S SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE STRUGGLED WITH WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WORK TRUCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT DO WE WANT TO ALLOW TRAILERS DO WE WANT TO ALLOW THESE OTHER THINGS AND SO YOU KNOW, WHERE'S THAT LINE OF REDUCTION AND RESTRICTIONS, BUT ALSO DOES IT START TO MAKE OUR CITY TRASHY? YOU KNOW, I KNOW EVERYBODY ENJOYS PERSONAL FREEDOMS, BUT, YOU

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KNOW, A LOT OF I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT MOVE HERE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT THE REASON WHY THEY LIKED IT IS BECAUSE OF SOME OF THOSE CODES. RIGHT. THEY PERCEIVE EVERYTHING TO BE CLEAN AND NICE AND BEAUTIFUL. YARDS ARE MODE, BUT THEY'RE NOT THINKING ABOUT THAT. AND THEN WHEN THEY GET HERE AND SOMEONE SAYS YOU CAN'T HAVE YOUR TRAILER IN YOUR DRIVEWAY. THEY NEVER PUT THOSE TWO THINGS TOGETHER SO I THINK THERE'S A LINE THERE THAT WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH SO THAT WE'RE NOT AFFECTING THE THE BEAUTY AND THE QUALITY OF OUR CITY BUT ALSO WE'RE FACING YOU KNOW BUDGET RESTRICTIONS UM NOT JUST THIS YEAR BUT MOST LIKELY EVEN EVEN WORSE IN THE FUTURE SO UM I AGREE WITH SOME OF THOSE POINTS UM I THINK RIGHT NOW WE'RE JUST GIVING DIRECTION ON YOU KNOW A HIGHER MAX LEVEL THAT WE'RE NOT EVEN VOTING ON TODAY BUT WE'RE GIVING DIRECTION ON WHAT TO BRING BACK SO I APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE I THINK THAT GIVES STAFF A DIRECTION TO MOVE IN TO LOOK TOWARDS THAT I SUPPORT I'D LIKE TO HEAR EVERYBODY ELSE'S THOUGHTS YEAH SO I THINK ON ON THAT SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR US TO GIVE OURSELVES THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK AT ALL THESE DIFFERENT COURSES BACK TO THIS. AND IF WE REALLY DO WANT TO TRY TO MEET BECAUSE THE 4.2296 DOESN'T EVEN MEET WHAT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS, DO WE WANT TO DO HIGHER THAN THAT? DO WE WANT TO DO LOWER THAN THAT AS A MAXIMUM? AND THEN WE JUST WORK OUR WAY BACK, IF WE CAN, TO THE LOWEST POSSIBLE MILLAGE RATE POSSIBLE BY LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AT FUNDING OPTIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN REDUCE EXPENDITURES ON. I'M OKAY WITH THE 4.2296 FROM A STARTING PERSPECTIVE, AND THEN WE CAN WORK OUR WAY BACK FROM THERE. BUT RIGHT NOW, THE WAY THE BUDGET IS SET, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. I THINK IT WAS ANOTHER LIKE 1.087 MILLION. YES, THAT IS CORRECT, BUT THAT INCLUDES QUITE A BIT OF STAGGERED START DATES. SO THERE'S ONLY FIVE DEPUTIES, I BELIEVE, STARTING ON OCTOBER 1ST, TWO STARTING ON APRIL 1ST, AND THEN TWO STARTING ON JULY 1ST. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE RECAPTURED WHEN YOU DO YOUR FISCAL YEAR 2028 BUDGET TO CAPTURE THOSE. ALL NINE FULL YEAR. THAT IS CORRECT. CATCH IT UP. YEAH, THAT'S A PROBLEM FOR NEXT YEAR, I THINK. AND THEN THE OTHER PIECE IS ON THE CODE ENFORCEMENT SIDE, YOU KNOW, HAPPY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT, BUT I'M NOT SURE THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE. I, LIKE THE CITY MANAGER JUST SAID, I'M NOT SURE OF THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCE. SO, AGAIN, WE'VE GOT A LOT TO DISCUSS. I THINK THERE'S PLENTY OF DIFFERENT COURSES OF ACTION WE CAN CONTINUE TO WORK ON WITH THE STAFF AND THE TEAM. BUT I THINK IT'S A... IMPORTANT THAT WE GIVE OURSELVES THE DECISION SPACE, AS WE USED TO SAY IN THE MILITARY, RIGHT, THE DECISION SPACE TO MAKE THOSE FINAL DECISIONS TOWARDS THE END OF THE BUDGET. IN GENERAL TERMS, I THINK WE SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL THIS YEAR IN MAKING SIGNIFICANT CHANGES, AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN ON THE AMENDMENT YET. WE WILL NOT KNOW UNTIL NOVEMBER. YOU CAN ALWAYS CUT BACK ON THINGS IF WE HAVE TO. SO AS FAR AS THE MILLAGE RATE GOES, WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING. I KNOW PERSONALLY I WOULD NEVER GO BELOW THE ROLLBACK RATE. AS POINT OF FACT. I THINK TO FUND THINGS PROPERLY WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO WHAT THE STAFF IS RECOMMENDING TO 4.2296 BUT GIVEN WHAT I THINK IS GOING TO HAPPEN MY BOTTOM LINE WOULD BE THAT I WOULD NEVER GO BELOW THE ROLLBACK RATE BECAUSE WE TALK ABOUT THAT ALL THE TIME AS THE RIGHT THING TO DO EACH YEAR TO BRING IN AS MUCH MONEY AT LEAST THAT YOU HAD LAST YEAR IN THE CURRENT YEAR. SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM, BUT I THINK LOOKING AT ALL THE POSSIBILITIES IS A GOOD WAY TO GO. BUT LET'S NOT MAKE DECISIONS RIGHT NOW WHEN WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER. IS THAT ALL YOU HAD, COUNCILMAN? SO, BOSS BEAR, YOU'RE ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU SAY 4.0893, YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT TAX. I WOULD LIKE US TO... BUT ESPECIALLY BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW COULD BE COMING IN NOVEMBER, I WOULD LIKE THAT TO BE A GOAL. WHAT I'M SAYING IS IN ORDER FOR US TO GIVE DIRECTION TO STAFF, IF THE CONSENSUS OF COUNCIL IS TO SET THE MAX AT 4.2296, I'M OKAY WITH THAT. BUT I WILL NOT BE VOTING ON THAT ULTIMATELY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT. SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT RIGHT NOW. NO, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE'RE KIND OF ON THE SAME PAGE THERE BECAUSE REALLY, TO ME, WHEN THE PROPERTY APPRAISER SAYS, YOU KNOW, WE'VE... REDUCE PROPERTY PROPERTY VALUES HAVE GONE DOWN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 14 YEARS I'M HARD PRESSED TO GO TO THE

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CONSTITUENT SAY I WANT YOU TO PAY MORE IN TAXES WHEN YOUR PROPERTY VALUE WENT DOWN I DON'T I I DON'T LIKE THAT FEELING AT ALL UM SO UH IF WE'RE IN CONSENSUS WE CAN GO WITH THE 4.2296 AS THE MAX MILL THAT'S ALL YOU NEED FROM US TODAY RIGHT HELENA THAT IS CORRECT IS EVERYONE COMFORTABLE WITH THAT? YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT. I JUST WANT TO ALSO ADVOCATE FOR WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, THE 4.2296, BUT THEN WE NEED TO LOOK INTERNALLY AT THE BUDGET ON HOW TO RE-EDUCATE TO AFFORD THE SHERIFF'S CONTRACT AS WELL AS THE TWO FTES. MATT, WITHOUT VEHICLES, DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT FULLY-LADEN COST IS FOR TWO FTES? I KNOW WE CAN WORK THAT OUT. YES, SIR. TOTAL WAS 320, I THINK, WITH THE VEHICLES. BASICALLY WHAT I'M HEARING UP HERE, WE'RE PUTTING A REAL PROBLEM ON THE STAFF. IF WE SAY, WELL, WE WANT TO CONSIDER EVERYTHING UP TO 4.2296, FINE, I CAN GO ALONG WITH THAT. BUT HERE'S THE PROBLEM. THAT'S NOT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO END UP. AND SO ARE WE GOING TO GET THE ANSWERS THAT THE VICE MAYOR IS LOOKING FOR AND SOME OF THE OTHERS IF WE SAY THAT? AND IT'S NOT REALITY IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY. AND THERE ISN'T A LOT OF TIME BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING. I THINK I GET YOUR DISCOMFORT WITH THAT, COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN. I THINK FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, IT'S EASIER TO TAKE SOMETHING AND SAY, WELL, THIS YEAR WE DON'T NEED IT, SO LET'S REMOVE IT, RATHER THAN TRYING TO FIGURE OUT. TRYING TO ADD MORE INFORMATION BACK IN IN OTHER WORDS WHEN COUNCIL WHEN STAFF COMES TO US AND SAYS THESE ARE ALL THE THINGS THAT THIS BUDGET INCLUDES IT CAN BE EASIER FOR US TO SAY OKAY WE'RE GOING TO ELIMINATE THIS THAT AND THIS RATHER THAN US TRYING TO GO BACK INTO OUR MEMORY BAY IT WAS ACTUALLY VERY GOOD AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL BECAUSE IT'S THE FIRST TIME I'VE SEEN IT YOU ALL LISTING THE UNFUNDED THINGS THAT WE COULD ADD BACK IN BECAUSE WE'VE NEVER GOTTEN THAT BEFORE THAT WAS SUPER HELPFUL SO THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY HEAD IS AT IS THAT USUALLY WE DON'T HAVE HAVE THAT BENEFIT. AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO GET INTO OUR MEMORY BANK OF WHAT ARE THE THINGS THAT WE WANT TO SEE TO GO TO THIS MAX MILLAGE. OKAY. I WOULD JUST SAY IN MY EXPERIENCE IN THE 10 YEARS I'VE BEEN DOING BUDGETS HERE IN THE COUNTY AND NOW IN THE CITY, THE WORST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED WAS IT WAS A SIMILAR TYPE SITUATION WITH THE SHERIFF BEFORE THE STUDY, THE THREE-YEAR STUDY WAS DONE, WHERE WE HAD GONE THROUGH THE WHOLE PROCESS AND AGREED TO A MILLAGE RATE AND AGREED TO THE BUDGET. THE STAFF HAD WORKED ALL THE DETAILS OUT. AND THEN THE DAY BEFORE THE BUDGET WAS GOING TO GET APPROVED, THE COUNCIL, I DIDN'T, BUT THE GROUP I WAS ON, VOTED TO REDUCE THE MILLAGE RATE BY ANOTHER TWO-TENTHS. THAT THROWS THE STAFF INTO HAVOC BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT TO COME FORWARD WITH A BUDGET. SO ALL OF A SUDDEN, YOU DO CRAZY THINGS. YOU ELIMINATE THINGS JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ELIMINATE SOMETHING. SO I LIKE TO GET MORE OF A CONSENSUS HERE. IS ANYONE ON? YOU CAN'T TELL ME, REALLY. BUT IN GENERAL, DOES ANYONE THINK WE'RE GOING TO GO TO 4.2296 IN THE FINAL BUDGET? WE CAN. TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WE'RE AT THE DAIS THIS IS THE TIME TO TELL YEAH I MEAN I I THINK I THINK I I MIGHT BE WILLING TO DO THAT BUT I THINK WE'RE GOING TO HEAD MORE TOWARDS THE ROLLBACK NUMBER BUT I MIGHT BE WRONG SO I YOU KNOW MAYBE THAT'S THE WAY UM YOU KNOW I'M COMFORTABLE WITH THE 4442296 UM IF WE CAN FIND SMART THINGS I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE VICE MAYOR LAID OUT REDUCING THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVE BY 500 GRAND, RIGHT? REDUCING THE FIVE-YEAR HUMANE SOCIETY CONTRACT, RIGHT? SO THAT IS $700,000 RIGHT THERE TOWARDS THE MILLION DOLLARS OF THE SHERIFF'S CONTRACT. IT'S NOT, THOUGH, BECAUSE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT INCENTIVES ARE COMING OUT OF FUND BALANCE. THAT'S THE DIFFICULTY, RIGHT? SO LET ME JUST, MAYBE THIS MIGHT HELP. ONE OF THE OTHER THOUGHTS THAT I HAD WAS WE DID AN ANALYSIS OF THE MY HEALTH CARE ON SITE. AND THAT STARTUP COST CAN COME FROM FUND BALANCE, AND THEN THAT WILL SAVE US MONEY IN INSURANCE GOING FORWARD. SO TO ME, THAT IS A STARTUP COST THAT CAN COME FROM FUND BALANCE AND SOMETHING THAT ONCE IT'S UP AND RUNNING, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG THAT WOULD TAKE, SO MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE THAT STAFF WOULD HAVE TO BRING TO US, BUT THAT TRANSLATES TO SAVINGS THAT... DO SAVE US MONEY IN THE GENERAL FUND YEAR AFTER YEAR BECAUSE WE'RE REDUCING OUR INSURANCE CLAIMS. SO, YOU KNOW, AND I DIDN'T WANT

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TO GET INTO THE WHOLE WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE OTHER FUND BALANCE MONEY THINGS. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T BRING THAT UP. BUT TO ME, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO LOOK AT. WE HAVE TO LOOK AT WAYS THAT WE CAN USE THE FUND BALANCE THAT IS GOING TO RESULT IN COST SAVINGS YEAR AFTER YEAR TO DRIVE DOWN GENERAL FUND RELIANCE. SO I STILL THINK IT'S PRUDENT FOR US TO PRESERVE THIS. DECISION SPACE. CAN I MAKE A RECOMMENDATION? YES. I THINK YOU NEED TO GET A CONSENSUS ON WHERE YOU WANT TO SET THE MAX MILITARY FIRST. THAT'S ALL WE NEED TODAY. AND THEN AFTER THAT, WHAT THE VICE MAYOR BROUGHT UP, YOU GUYS CAN GET CONSENSUS ON THAT. I WOULD START WITH FIRST THE MAX AND THEN GO FROM THERE. SO WERE WE IN CONSENSUS FOR THE 4.2296 FOR MAX? YES. THAT'S FINE. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN, AND I WOULD BE HAPPY WITH SETTING THE MAX AT 4.1387 AS WELL. SO I WILL GO WITH COUNCIL WHICHEVER WAY YOU GUYS WANT TO GO ON THIS. SO WE HAVE CONSENSUS FOR 4.2296. I GOT A THUMBS UP. THUMBS UP. I'M GOOD WITH IT. WELL, I THINK THAT I'M NOT GIVING YOU A THUMBS UP YET. WELL, THAT'S WHERE WE GOT CONSENSUS. HE TOOK HIS THUMBS UP BACK. I'M CONSIDERING. HOW THIS IS ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK OUT. AND THE STAFF HAS GIVEN US THEIR BEST SHOT AT WHAT WE CAN DO AT 4.2296 WITH DEFICIENCIES. WITHOUT GIVING THEM SPECIFIC IDEAS ON WHERE TO CUT THE BUDGET AT THIS POINT, WHEN DO WE FINALIZE THIS? NEXT SEPTEMBER. SET THE MAX MILLAGE NEXT WEEK, RIGHT, HELENA? THE MAXIMUM MILLAGE RATIO? YEAH, THEY'LL SET THAT NEXT. RIGHT. YEAH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO NOTICE. SO A LOT OF THESE DECISIONS ARE GOING TO BE MADE BASED ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GIVING THE STAFF ENOUGH TIME TO COME UP WITH EVEN WHAT THEY'LL HAVE TO CUT TO GO TO 4.1387 OTHER THAN GENERAL NUMBERS. MR. SULLIVAN, I GET WHAT YOU'RE LAYING DOWN, AND I WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE, IF THE COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER, FOR PURPOSES OF TODAY, THE 4.5350. AS THE MAX AND THAT GIVES US TIME TO WORK THROUGH ALL THIS I HERE'S MY THING THIS IS THE EARLIEST MEETING THAT WE HAVE TO EVEN TALK ABOUT THIS UH SO WE'RE AS EARLY AS WE CAN BE IN TERMS OF NOTIFYING I APPRECIATE THAT THE VICE MAYOR IS SAYING THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'M THINKING BECAUSE IT DOES GIVE THEM AS MUCH TIME AS POSSIBLE TO TRY TO WORK THROUGH THAT THERE WAS NO OTHER TIME PERIOD EXCEPT FOR IN HER PRIVATE MEETINGS WITH STAFF. SO PUBLICLY, THIS IS THE EARLIEST WE COULD LET EACH OTHER KNOW WHERE WE STAND. AND SO... THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF TIME WE HAVE EVERY YEAR, SO I THINK IT'S BETTER TO SAY IT NOW THAN WAIT TWO MONTHS. BUT IT HAPPENS. IT HAPPENS FROM TIME TO TIME. MY THOUGHT IS, WITH THE 4.5350, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT'S A BRIDGE TOO FAR. THIS IS ACTUALLY, WITH THE 4.229, THAT'S ACTUALLY AN AUSTERE BUDGET BECAUSE YOU'RE SAYING RIGHT THERE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T FUND THOSE NINE NEW DEPUTIES AND THE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE ON THAT LIST. SO WE ALREADY KNOW THAT'S OUR STARTING POINT, AND IF WE CAN GET THERE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CAP AT 4.22, WE CAN WORK IT. BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I DON'T. I DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S RIGHT FOR EVERYONE'S PROPERTY VALUES TO BE GOING DOWN AND THEN US TURN AROUND AND SAY, WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO PAY MORE IN TAXES. IT SHOULDN'T BE LIKE THAT. I DON'T THINK THE STATEMENT EVERYONE'S PROPERTY VALUES ARE GOING DOWN IS TRUE. WELL, OVERALL, IN 14 YEARS, THE AMOUNT THEY'RE LESS GOING UP THIS YEAR THAN THEY WERE LAST YEAR. BUT WHEN THEY'RE A PART OF THE INCREASE, THEY'RE SAYING FROM NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO WE'RE SAYING EXISTING HOMEOWNERS THAT HAVE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS, THEIR PROPERTY VALUES HAVE GONE DOWN FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 14 YEARS OVERALL. THAT'S RELATIVE TO THE PRE-PURCHASE. SO ARE WE HAPPY WITH THE 4.2296? I THINK IT'S A GOOD STARTING POINT. OKAY. I AGREE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE MY POINTS. OKAY. SO WE HAVE CONSENSUS. DO WE NEED A IS THAT IT FOR YOU, HELENA? WHAT? OKAY. AND WE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO WORK IN SOMEHOW GETTING THOSE TWO FTES FOR MATT YEAH YEAH WELL THAT'S THE FIRST ONE OKAY SO UM I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP

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THE, THE FLAGLER HUMANE SOCIETY CONTRACT AT THE 156 PER ANIMAL THAT WE AGREED WITH THEM ON WHICH IS WHAT WE BASED OUR INCREASED LICENSE FEES ON YEAH THANK YOU IF WE CAN'T GET TO AN AGREEMENT FLAGLER HUMANE SOCIETY ON THAT? IS THERE OTHER DIRECTION YOU WANT TO TAKE? NO. JUST TAKE CARE OF FEWER ANIMALS. THEY DID SAY THEY'RE BETTER OFF WITHOUT OUR CONTRACT. THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID. THAT'S WHAT THEY SAID. I DON'T WANT, YOU KNOW, LET ME BE VERY CLEAR. I DON'T WANT TO STOP DOING BUSINESS WITH FLAGLER HUMANE SOCIETY, BUT FOR THEM TO SAY, WELL, WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO A SEPARATE CAPITAL CAMPAIGN. WE'RE GOING TO USE DONATIONS THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO GO TOWARDS THE CARE OF ANIMALS. OPERATIONS. YEAH. FOR OUR CAPITAL CAMPAIGN, I THINK IT'S WHOLLY INAPPROPRIATE. AND THEN TO TURN AROUND AND MORE THAN DOUBLE OUR CONTRACT, THAT'S OUTRAGEOUS. I AGREE. THAT'S THEIR CORE MISSION. THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE FOR THE LAST 20 YEARS, AND THEY DIDN'T, TO THE GROWTH. AND SO I DON'T AGREE WITH THAT WITH YOU. THE NEXT THING WAS... TO TRY TO FIND TWO FTES FOR MATT. I KNOW THAT'S A TALL ASK BASED ON EVERYTHING THAT WE'VE SEEN, BUT I THINK IF WE CAN AT LEAST DIRECT STAFF TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE WITHOUT THE VEHICLES. DO WE HAVE CONSENSUS ON THAT? YES. REITERATING WHAT YOU SAID. AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES, RIGHT? SHERIFF'S DEPUTIES, YEP. AND THEN, SORRY, THE MERIT INCREASE, WE DID GET CONSENSUS TO GET THOSE FIGURES, RIGHT, HELENA? YES. COULD YOU PLEASE GO, COULD YOU PULL UP THE CODE SLIDES? GO AHEAD. THE OTHER THING WAS, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT SRC, BUT KIND OF DRILLING DOWN ON THAT, ON THOSE COSTS. I DON'T KNOW, I DON'T THINK THAT'S REALISTIC TO BE QUITE FRANK WITH YOU, BUT EVEN IF WE COULD SAVE WHATEVER THOSE COST SAVINGS COULD BE. AGAIN, I THINK IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER SIDE OF THE LEDGER THAT YOU DO INCREASE, NOT THE COST. MAYBE. I'M SAYING I DON'T THINK THAT THIS YEAR HE'S GOING TO BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN THAT WE WILL ACCEPT AND THAT WE THINK IS OKAY BECAUSE WE HAVE OUR RESIDENTS USE THE SRC. I DON'T WANT THEM TO START CHARGING OUTRAGEOUS FEES TO BE COST RECOVERY, BUT AT LEAST WORKING. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. I THINK WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE GOLF COURSE, MY BIGGEST FEAR WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COST RECOVERY IS THAT INSTEAD OF INVESTING AND GROWING REVENUE, WE START NEGLECTING AND IT BECOMES A BLIGHT. THEN YOU'RE STUCK IN THIS CYCLE THAT YOU WILL NEVER MAKE MONEY, RIGHT? YOU NEED TO GET THE REVENUES THAT MAKE THIS A GREAT PLACE TO PLAY TENNIS OR RACQUETBALL. IE CAPACITY FOR PARKING? BUT, YES, SO WE NEED TO IMPROVE THE FACILITY AS WELL AS LOOK AT THE PRICING STRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. BUT WE NEED TO FIND A WAY TO DRIVE REVENUES, NOT SPEND LESS MONEY ON IT NECESSARILY. UNLESS WE CAN FIND THINGS THAT ARE JUST UNNECESSARY. NO, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT'S PROBABLY A BETTER WAY OF FRAMING IT. WHATEVER WE CAN DO TO BALANCE THAT OUT. YEAH, JUST THE NEGATIVE, RIGHT? TO INCREASE REVENUE, I'LL COUNSEL, AGREE WITH THAT DIRECTION. IS THAT IT? THE LAST THING WAS, AND THIS ONLY AFFECTS FUND BALANCE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE EVERYBODY'S AT ON THIS. I GUESS IT, AND THAT'S A QUESTION I WAS GOING TO ASK. WHEN DO WE NEED TO GIVE YOU ALL DIRECTION AS TO WHAT TO DO WITH FUND BALANCE? WE DON'T NEED THAT FOR NEXT TUESDAY, SO WE CAN DISCUSS THAT THROUGHOUT THE BUDGET PROCESS. OKAY. SO, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON WHAT WE WANT FROM FUND BALANCE, BUT SINCE THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MILLAGE, WHAT WE END UP DOING WITH THOSE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DOLLARS DOESN'T NEED TO BE DECIDED UPON TODAY, RIGHT? THAT IS CORRECT. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE ADDITIONAL $2 MILLION. CORRECT. YEAH, SHE SAID THAT IT COULD EVEN GO PAST THIS BUDGET YEAR, AND IT WOULD BE FORWARDED, RIGHT? WELL, WHEN YOU GO OVER YOUR CAPITAL PROJECTS BUDGETS, YOU MIGHT WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. THAT IS, I BELIEVE, AUGUST 11TH. A MONTH, OKAY. YEAH, SO AT THAT POINT, IT WOULD BE REALLY BENEFICIAL TO HAVE WHAT THOSE ONE-TIME EXPENDITURES ARE GOING TO BE IN THE CAPITAL. OKAY, ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. I THINK THAT WAS EVERYTHING. YOU DID MENTION SOMETHING ABOUT CODE. OH, AND THEN CODE. CODE ENFORCEMENT, I WANT TO LOOK AT. CODE, YEAH. THAT'S WHY I HAD TO PULL UP. ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE BUDGET FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT? WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU LOOKING AT? YEAH, THE BUDGET FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT COMES OUT OF GENERAL FUND. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE WHAT A COMPLAINT-BASED MODEL WITH THAT 180, SO THEY GO OUT BASED ON A COMPLAINT AND THEY DO THE 180 TURNAROUND TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE IN VIOLATION, AND THAT'S IT. IT'S NOT A PROACTIVE. WE HAVE REGULAR ROUTES THAT WE TRAVEL EVERY DAY. AND JUST FOR REFERENCE,

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WE HAVE 25.42 FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES, AND I THINK ABOUT 20 VEHICLES IN FLEET FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT. SO WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A SMALL. YOU KNOW ITTY BITTY OPERATION. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE DOING ACT. DO WE HAVE DIRECT CONSENSUS ON THAT ONE? YEP. EVERYBODY GOOD WITH THAT? TO JUST LOOK AT IT AND SEE WHAT IT. YEAH. AGAIN, I'M NOT SURE THE JUICE IS WORTH THE SQUEEZE, BUT I. I DON'T KNOW EITHER, BUT I THINK IT'S THE ONLY DEPARTMENT WHERE, TO ME, WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT A CORE GOVERNMENT. SERVICE THAT ISN'T ALL THAT ISN'T ADDRESSABLE IN ANOTHER WAY I EV THE COMPLAINTS ANYTHING ARE YOU GOOD MARCUS GOOD HELENA YOU GOT ALL THE DIRECTION YOU NEED MR. MAYOR I'VE GOT ONE QUICK QUESTION YEAH UM WHAT ABOUT IMPACT FEES WE HAVE A NUMBER ON DID WE DID WE TALK ABOUT THAT TODAY WHERE DOES THAT COME INTO UH SO IMPACT FEES ARE GOING TO COME BACK TO YOU WITH THE FIVE-YEAR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IF WE LOOK AT THE TIME SCHEDULE OVER THERE YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT THAT AUGUST 11TH OKAY. SO THOSE ARE DEDICATED FOR CAPITAL INFRASTRUCTURE TYPE OF PROJECTS. THAT'S WHY IT WILL COME AT THAT POINT. OKAY. BUT IT'S STILL GENERAL FUND? NO, SIR. THEY'RE SPECIAL REVENUES, CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND WATER WASTE WATER. OKAY. THANK YOU. IS THAT IT? YOU'RE WELCOME. HELENA, YOU GOT EVERYTHING YOU NEED FROM US? MS. RAGSDALE? THANK YOU, LADY. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR BEARING WITH US. YOU GUYS ARE SUPER. IT'S JUST THAT ONE SLIDE. 0.22, THAT'S NOT RIGHT. CITY MANAGER SAID LUNCH WAS HERE. DO YOU GUYS WANT TO TAKE A 30-MINUTE BREAK FOR LUNCH? I'LL DO PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT 30 MINUTES AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT FOR LUNCH? OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN THIS MATTER UP TO PUBLIC COMMENT. YES, CHIEF? MAYOR, BEFORE WE START PUBLIC COMMENT, I JUST KNOW THAT WE HAVE SEVERAL YOUNG CITIZENS HERE TODAY TO SPEAK ON THE NEXT ITEM. AND MR. CODY ASSURED ME THAT HIS PRESENTATION IS BRIEF. CITY COUNCIL WOULD CONSIDER GOING THROUGH ONE MORE ITEM BEFORE BREAKING FOR LUNCH AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'VE HAD SEVERAL CITIZENS ASK THAT. I'M GOOD WITH THAT. EVERYBODY'S GOOD WITH THAT? SO WE'RE MOVING ON TO PRESENTATION TWO, APPROVAL OF USE. WE'VE GOT TO DO THAT PUBLIC COMMENT. OH, I'M SORRY. WE'RE GOING TO DO PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNING THE MILLAGE RATE AND THE PROPOSED BUDGET. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNING THAT? YES, MA'AM. HI, SHERRY SANDERS, THE B SECTION. I ORIGINALLY CAME HERE FOR ANOTHER TOPIC, BUT ON THE BUDGET, AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SRC, I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THERE ARE 04,470 PICKLEBALL MEMBERSHIPS, I DON'T HAVE A BREAKDOWN OF ANNUAL VERSUS MONTHLY VERSUS JUNIOR, BUT LET'S JUST SAY THERE ARE 04,200. IF YOU RAISE THE FEE COME JANUARY 1, 2027, $10 A MONTH. THAT'S 120 A YEAR, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP, SAY IT'S $100. $100 TIMES 4,200 MEMBERS IS WHAT? IT'S $420,000, AND THAT GOES FROM PUTTING US EVEN WITH THAT $813,000, AND THAT'S AN EASY WIN. I WOULD ALSO ASK THAT THEY LOOK AT A FAMILY MEMBERSHIP, A SENIOR MEMBERSHIP, AND JUST SOME OTHER. MEMBERSHIPS THAT WOULD EQUAL THAT, BUT I STILL THINK THAT'S AN EASY WIN ON THE REVENUE SIDE. THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE TOURNAMENTS. I'VE PUT ON A TOURNAMENT AS A FUNDRAISER. I HAD 60 WOMEN, 30 TEAMS. NOW, I KNOW THAT JOJO AND THEM DO SEVERAL A YEAR, BUT EVEN IF YOU DID SIX AT... AS 60 TEAMS, 120 PEOPLE, DEPENDING ON WHAT YOU'RE CHARGING, YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE $6,000 TO $9,000. AND THOSE ARE COMMUNITY TOURNAMENTS. BUT IF YOU GO BIGGER, IF YOU CAN GET A PROFESSIONAL ONE HERE ONCE, TWICE A YEAR, THAT DOESN'T EVEN INCLUDE TENNIS. BUT AGAIN, JUST TO RAISE THE REVENUE, $400,000, $100 A YEAR, AND THAT'S $8.50 A MONTH. SO THAT'S A CUP OF COFFEE A WEEK. AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE WOULD BE IN AGREEMENT. TO KEEP IT UP AND RUNNING AND KEEP IT CONSISTENT WITH THE WAY IT LOOKS TODAY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTHERN RECREATION CENTER, SKATE PARK, ALL THAT STUFF? WE'RE GOING TO GET TO THAT IN JUST A MINUTE. GIVE ME A SECOND. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNING THE BUDGET AND THE MILLAGE RATE? THE BUDGET. PUBLIC COMMENT FOR THE BUDGET PROCESS. YOU GOT SOMETHING, MR. AMARAL? GOOD AFTERNOON, TONY AMARAL, PALM COAST. YOU GUYS LOOK AT THE BUDGET.

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WE HAVE A REVENUE INCREASE OF LIKE FROM 2025 ACTUAL TO OUR 2027 PROPOSED. YOUR REVENUE INCREASE IS ABOUT IS 13.5. THAT SAME TIME FRAME, YOUR EXPENSES ARE 18.5. YOU'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLE ROLLBACK, NOT EVEN FULLY FUNDING BASED AT THE 4.22. YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A LOT MORE THAN THAT ONE. BECAUSE YOUR PROJECTS, YOU'RE ADDING MORE STUFF. WE'RE NOT INCLUDING OUR ROADS, WHICH YOU GUYS HAD SPOKE ABOUT LAST MONTH AS TRYING TO BE A PRIORITY AS FAR AS RESURFACING. SO I ASK THAT YOU KIND OF REALLY LOOK AT THIS AND SAY. WHERE ARE OUR PRIORITIES? AND IF IT COMES DOWN TO, AND YOU SAID CODE ENFORCEMENT BEING COMPLAINT-DRIVEN, IF YOU CAN GIVE THEM SOME MORE GUIDANCE AS FAR AS, BE COMPLAINT-DRIVEN, BUT WHAT'S YOUR LEVEL OF SERVICE EXPECTED? DO YOU WANT THAT COMPLAINT TO BE ATTENDED TO IN THE NEXT TWO HOURS, IN THE NEXT TWO DAYS, WITHIN A WEEK? BECAUSE THAT WILL DIFFER ON WHAT THEIR BUDGETS CAN BE, SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT WHEN YOU DO THAT. IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT LOSING NUMBERS. IT'S ABOUT ALSO FIGURING OUT WHAT YOU EXPECT THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE TO GO TO ONCE YOU DECIDE TO REDUCE THOSE THINGS. NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING. IT CAN DEFINITELY BE LOOKED AT AS A POSITIVE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT KIND OF NEEDS A BIG PICTURE, NOT JUST A RANDOM CUT THE BUDGET. WELL, THAT MEANS SERVICE IS GOING TO GET CUT AT SOME POINT. THAT'S ALL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNING THE BUDGET? VICE PRESIDENT. YEAH, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REC CENTER. STATE YOUR NAME FOR... DAN GIBSON. AND IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE SOUTHERN RECREATION CENTER... I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET. OKAY. ABOUT THE REC CENTER, AND YOU'RE LOOKING FOR HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. ALL I'M ASKING YOU IS TO TALK TO YOUR COMMUNITY. DON'T BE LOOKING DOWN FROM ABOVE, FROM A CLOUD, WHEN YOU DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THERE. WE KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. WE NEGOTIATE CONTRACTS WITH TOURNAMENTS ACROSS THE STATE. I KNOW WHERE THE MONEY'S AT. I KNOW WHERE THE MONEY CAN COME FROM. AND SINCE YOU BUILT THE REC CENTER, WE HAVE PLAYED AND WE HAVE RECREATED THERE UNDER A BLACK CLOUD, WHERE YOU'RE CONSTANTLY THREATENING IT, THREATENING TO TAKE IT AWAY, SELL IT, WHEN THESE ARE ALL JUST KNEE-JERK REACTIONS THAT WE CAN WORK IT OUT TOGETHER. YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE RASH DECISIONS, AND WE'LL HELP YOU. I SENT YOU AN EMAIL ABOUT SOMETHING I'LL TALK ABOUT. VICE MAYOR RECOGNIZED IT AND ACKNOWLEDGED HE RECEIVED IT. SO PLEASE DON'T LOOK AT YOUR COMMUNITY LIKE WE'RE A BUNCH OF IDIOTS. WE ALL COME FROM BACKGROUNDS. WE ALL KNOW WHERE THE MONEY GOES. WE KNOW WHAT IT IS. PLEASE INCLUDE US IN THE DECISION MAKING. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT CONCERNING THE BUDGET AND THE MILLAGE RATE? SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO DICE. ANY FOLLOW-UPS? OKAY, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO PRESENTATION TWO, APPROVAL OF UTILIZED UNUSED PRE-APPROVED PROJECT FUNDS. YES, SIR, CARL. I KNOW COUNCIL ASKED US TO COME BACK HERE AND GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE FUNDS AND POTENTIAL USES OF USE. ...THE FUNDS FOR THE INDIAN TRAILS PROJECT SO I THOUGHT I'D KICK US OFF BY... VIDEO'S NOT WORKING SO I'M JUST GOING TO SKIP TO THE NEXT SLIDE. SO WE DID JUST FINISH INDIAN TRAIL SPORTS COMPLEX IT CAME OUT GREAT AND THIS IS WHAT WE DID AT INDIAN TRAILS. SO COUNCIL APPROVED 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS. THE COST FOR THE PROJECT WE SPEND ABOUT 15,000 BETWEEN PERMITTING AND TESTING. BETWEEN VENDORS WE SPENT ABOUT 150 GRAND THAT WAS FOR PAVING, STRIPING AND VARIOUS OTHER ITEMS THAT WE DIDN'T DO IN-HOUSE AND THEN THE PUBLIC WORKS EXPENSES IN-HOUSE INCLUDING MATERIALS AND PURCHASING ITEMS AND RENTING EQUIPMENT AND WHATNOT WAS ABOUT $375,000 SO WE SPENT ROUGHLY $540,000. OUR FINAL COST IS STILL PENDING WE GOT A LITTLE BIT OF LANDSCAPE TO FILL OUT, SOME PROCESSING FINAL INVOICES AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS SO WE REALLY HAVE A FUND BALANCE AROUND $960,000 THAT IS MADE UP OF TWO FUNDING SOURCES. CAPITAL PROJECTS FUND WAS 46.71% OF THAT, AND RECREATION IMPACT FEEDS IS 53.29% OF THAT. AND THIS FIGURE HERE JUST SHOWS THE GRAY AREAS, THE ADDITIONAL PARKING, AND THERE WERE SOME GRASS SPACES IN GREEN THAT WERE ADDED AS WELL AS IMPERVIOUS. SO COUNCIL ASKED US

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TO COME BACK. WE HAD IDENTIFIED SOUTHERN REC LAST MEETING. COUNCIL MENTIONED A FEW PROJECTS AT INDIAN TRAIL SPORTS COMPLEX TO LOOK INTO AS WELL AS THE SKATE PARK. SO WE GOT $960,000. THESE ARE FIVE POTENTIAL ITEMS WHERE THOSE FUNDS COULD GO TO AND I'LL GO THROUGH EACH ONE ONE BY ONE. FIRST ONE IS THE SAFETY NETTING ON THE LARGE FIELD. THAT'S A LARGE BASEBALL FIELD. SO WITH THE OPENING IT UP TO THE BIGGER LEAGUE PLAYERS, THERE'S LOTS OF FOUL BALLS AND LINE DRIVES AND HOME RUNS THAT ARE GOING OUTSIDE THE FIELD AREAS CAUSING SAFETY CONCERNS SO WE'RE LOOKING AT PUTTING UP A 21 FOOT NETTING ON THE SIDELINES AND POSSIBLY A PARTIAL EXTENDED OUTFIELD FENCE WE DO HAVE A PIGGYBACK CONTRACT WITH BSN SPORTS WHO WILL FURNISH AND INSTALL THAT SO WHEN THEY COME OUT TO THE SITE WE'LL, WE'LL FINE-TUNE THE EXACT EXPENSE OF THAT BUT UM IT'LL BE WE BUDGET 110 000 ROUGHLY UH DEPENDING ON THE EXPENSE OF IT, IT COULD COME DOWN FROM THAT IF WE DON'T DO UH DEPENDING ON HOW MUCH OF THAT FIELD WE DO. SO THE NEXT ITEM WAS NEW BATTING CAGES. SO LITTLE LEAGUE CAME TO US. WE DID SOME FIELD VISITS. WE WORKED WITH OUR ENGINEERING STAFF TO KIND OF WORK ON SOME LAYOUTS WITH THE VENDOR AND LITTLE LEAGUE STAFF ON SITUATING THOSE BATTING CAGES. WE'RE ABLE TO, THEY WERE, WE'RE TRYING TO GET SIX IN THERE. CURRENTLY, IT LOOKS LIKE WE ONLY HAVE ENOUGH TO SQUEEZE IN ABOUT FIVE. IT'S GOING TO BE RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE NEW PARKING AREA THAT WAS EXPANDED IN THEIR LITTLE LEAGUE MAIN FACILITY. SO IT WOULD BE A JOINT TYPE PROJECT BETWEEN LITTLE LEAGUE AND THE CITY. THE CITY WOULD CONSTRUCT THE CONCRETE WORK AND MODIFY IRRIGATION, THE LANDSCAPING. WE WOULD PUT OUT THE ELECTRICAL WORK TO ONE OF OUR VENDORS. AND THEN LITTLE LEAGUE WOULD FIRST INSTALL THE NETTING. WE WOULD WORK HAND IN HAND, PROBABLY GETTING THE POSTS SET AND WHATNOT WITH THEM. BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THERE IT'S ROUGHLY 40,000 WE GOT TO FINE-TUNE THE FOOTING SIZE FOR THE POSTS AND THE SLAB AROUND IT AND YOU KNOW ELECTRICAL WORK WE HAVEN'T PRICED UP YET BUT IT WOULD BE IN THAT MAGNITUDE AROUND THERE WE ANTICIPATE THIS TIME THIS IS FAIRLY HIGH LEVEL FIGURES WE'RE LOOKING AT ALONG FIELD TWO THERE'S ALSO A BULLPEN THAT HAS A SHORTER FENCE SO TO HELP PROTECT THE FOLKS IN THAT THAT BULLPEN AREA WE WERE NEED TO RAISE THE FENCE UP UM SO IT'S ABOUT TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS TO REPLACE IT FROM A SIX FOOT FENCE TO A TEN FOOT FENCE SO UH CARL JUST UH CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG THOUGH IF WE'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT SAVINGS WOULD BE BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING A NET THAT SEEMS TO ENCOMPASS THE SAME AREA WOULD WE NEED A HIGHER FENCE IF WE'RE ALSO PUTTING A NET THERE WE WOULD LOOK AT THAT UM I ASSUME THE, THE NETTING BASED ON THE PICTURE BEFORE, PREVIOUS, LIKE TWO SLIDES AGO, WAS STARTING FROM ESSENTIALLY THE DUGOUT GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND. YEAH, THE BULLPEN RAISING THAT FENCE, THAT'S WHERE OBVIOUSLY THEY PRACTICE THE PITCHES BEFORE THEY GO ONTO THE FIELD. NO, I'M AWARE OF IT. I'M OUT AT ANY OF THE TRAILS ALL THE TIME. THE CONCERN WAS WITH THE CURRENT FENCING THAT A COUPLE OF THESE COLLEGE OR OLDER PLAYERS YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A MISTAKE OR THEY MISS IT, THIS COULD HEAD OVER THAT SIX FOOT FENCE, CAUSING POTENTIAL INJURY TO SOME... TO SOME SPECTATORS THAT PROBABLY SURROUND THAT BULLPEN. NO, I GET THAT. BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A NET. WE COULD ELIMINATE ONE SIDE OF THE 10-FOOT FENCE, BUT THE OTHER THREE SIDES OF THE BULLPEN WE STILL WANT TO RAISE. SO WHEN THEY'RE IN THERE WARMING UP, THEY'RE NOT HITTING THE BALL OUT TO THE OTHER FIELD. GOTCHA. YEAH. MY POINT IS ONE OR THE OTHER WOULD FIX THAT PROBLEM. CORRECT. AT LEAST FOR THOSE. I'M NOT SURE, TOO, AND JUST TO KIND OF GIVE MY THOUGHTS ON SOMETHING THAT WAS, IN TERMS OF THE OUTFIELD NETTING, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE NEED ALONG THE SIDES, RIGHT, BECAUSE THERE'S BOTH PEDESTRIAN. I UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR IT IN LEFT FIELD TO CENTER BECAUSE THERE'S A SIDEWALK THERE, A VEHICLE PARKING ALONG THE ROAD TO PREVENT DAMAGE. I'M NOT SURE, AND I GET, HEY, THERE'S BALLS BEING MAYBE HIT INTO THOSE WOODS. WE WOULDN'T GO ALL THE WAY. THAT'S A 10. I JUST HIGHLIGHTED THE WHOLE FIELD, BUT MORE THAN LIKELY WE WOULD STOP IT, YOU KNOW, CLOSE TO CENTER FIELD. RIGHT I MEAN VIEWING THIS FROM A SAFETY PERSPECTIVE THAT DOESN'T PROVIDE SAFETY THAT JUST MAKES IT EASIER TO NOT HAVE THE BALLS GO OUT INTO THE WOOD SO AS LONG AS WE'RE TAKING THAT INTO ACCOUNT AND NOT INCURRING COSTS FOR THOSE THINGS THAT AREN'T REALLY PROVIDING SAFETY CONCERNS AND THEN SO THEN WE MOVE ON TO ITEM FOUR WHICH IS THE SOUTHERN REC

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ADDITIONAL PARKING AND SITE WORK I SAID ADD UP TO 115 PARKING SPOTS WITH AN ASTERISK OBVIOUSLY WITH THE 800 000 I THINK LAST TIME WE SPOKE WAS CLOSER TO A MILLION I THINK ALL THE PARKING OUR ROUGH ESTIMATE WAS ABOUT THAT COST UM SO IT INCLUDES SITE CLEARING GRADING SOME THERE'S SOME STORMWATER PIPE STRUCTURES AND PONDS HAVE TO BE BUILT CURBING SIDEWALKS PATHS THE PAVING STRIPING LANDSCAPING SITE LIGHTING SO ALL THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED WE'D HAVE TO PULL THAT SCOPE BACK ON THE EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS UM BUT WE WOULD DO AS MUCH WE TAKE AS FAR AS THE COST THE FUNDS WOULD GO BASICALLY CARL HOW MANY SPOTS DID WE ADD TO INDIAN TRAILS I HAD WHEN I LOOKED AT THE DIAGRAM IT WAS LIKE 90 SOMETHING YEAH AND WE DID A WE DID SOME QUICK MATH ABOUT I THINK WE I HAD IT HERE SAY I ZOOMED IN AND WE ADDED 127 SPOTS 127 YEAH OKAY AND THIS WOULD BE ABOUT 115 IT WAS ABOUT TEN DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT COST BASED ON PAVEMENT AREA UM HERE WE HAVE MORE WORK BECAUSE WE WE OVER THERE WE DIDN'T HAVE WE DO VERY LITTLE STORM WATER UM MINIMAL GRADING WE DIDN'T HAVE TO CLEAR WE DIDN'T YOU KNOW SO THERE'S MORE WORK HERE SITE RELATED SO IT'S GONNA BE WILLING TEN DOLLARS A SQUARE FOOT THIS ROAD HERE NEEDS ABOUT FOUR FEET OF FILL UM SO THAT HEADING IN THIS DIRECTION SO THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S INCLUDING THE EXTENSION OF THAT ROAD ALL THE WAY AROUND TO THE MAINTENANCE SHED RIGHT AND YOU HAVE THE CELL TOWER WOULD BE THE FUTURE MAINTENANCE BUILDING HERE. SO YOU HAVE MORE DRIVES, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY. BUT WE HAVE A LOT MORE SITE WORK AND FILL AND GRADING WORK. I APPRECIATE THAT. THAT'S THE DIRECTION I WAS GOING. IT'S NOT THE APPLE STAFF. WE SPENT $400,000 ON 127 AND 15 FOR 800. SO, ONE, THE STORMWATER, AND THEN, TWO, THERE'S ADDITIONAL EXTENSIONS OF ROADWAYS AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS WELL AS SITE WORK. OKAY. SO MY QUESTION IS, EVEN IF WE HAVE TO SCALE BACK THE AMOUNT OF PARKING SPACES RIGHT NOW BASED ON THE FUNDING THAT WE HAVE NOW, CAN WE DO THE WORK IN A MANNER IN WHICH WHEN WE DO GET AVAILABLE FUNDING, WE CAN CONTINUE TO ADD SPACES? YEAH, PART OF ONE OF THE OPTIONS WE WERE THINKING OF WAS PAVING THE DRIVE AISLES AND LEAVING THE PARKING SPACES GRASS SO WE COULD JUST COME BACK AND PAVE THEM OR LEAVE THEM IMPERVIOUS. ANOTHER ONE WOULD BE WE COULD, YOU KNOW, STOP IT SHORT AND NOT BUILD THE TOP ROW, BUILD THE FIRST TWO ROWS. SO THERE'S DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT AS WE MOVE FORWARD. BUT WE'RE ALLOWING OURSELVES, MY MAIN CONCERN IS WE WANT TO PROVIDE MORE PARKING NOW SINCE WE HAVE THE FUNDING AVAILABLE, BUT ALSO ALLOWING OURSELVES THAT GROWTH TO WHERE WE'RE NOT, WE WON'T INCUR A TON OF ADDITIONAL COSTS IN GOING OUT THERE TWICE, RIGHT? SO A LOT OF THE GROUNDWORK WILL ALREADY HAVE BEEN LAID. RIGHT, WE'LL DIG THE PONDS FULL SIZE, WE'LL PUT IN ALL THE STORM WATER AND CATCH BASINS AND EVERYTHING, SO IT'LL JUST BE THE FINISHED WORK, I GUESS YOU COULD SAY, ON THE TOP THAT WE'D DO LATER IF WE HAD TO. EVEN THE LIGHTING, MAYBE WE DON'T LIGHT ALL OF IT, WE CAN ADD LIGHTING LATER. SO THEN WE GET INTO THE SKATE PARK, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY THE COST IS UNKNOWN, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROJECT DETAILS ARE SPECIFICALLY. SO I JUST KIND OF WANTED TO GO THROUGH WHAT WE HAVE. COUNTY HAS ABOUT 20,000 SQUARE FOOT PAD WITH PREFABRICATED ELEMENTS OVER AT WADSWORTH PARK ON 100. MOST RECENTLY, AMERICAN RAMP COMPANY WENT OUT THERE AND DID ABOUT 60% REPLACEMENT OF THOSE PREFAB COMPONENTS AT ROUGHLY $240,000. ROLF CARTER PARK, WHEN THAT PARK WAS BUILT AND OPENED IN 2009, IT HAD ROUGHLY A 5,000 SQUARE FOOT PAD WITH SOME ABOVE GROUND RAMPS. AMERICAN RAMP COMPANY PROVIDED THOSE COMPONENTS AS WELL. WE'VE DONE SOME MINOR REPAIRS AT THE TIME. THOSE COMPONENTS COST $75,000. THERE'S LOTS OF GUIDANCE OUT THERE REGARDING SKATE PARKS AND HOW MUCH YOU SHOULD HAVE FOR A COMMUNITY. EVERY COMMUNITY IS DIFFERENT. BUT, YOU KNOW, I JUST PUT THAT THERE'S A ROUGH RULE OF THUMB, YOU KNOW, 10,000 SQUARE FEET FOR EVERY 25,000 RESIDENTS. SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE OVER 100,000. WE SHOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST 40,000 SQUARE FEET OF SKATE PARKS. WE'RE HEADING TO 50,000. YEAH. SO IT'S JUST GOING THROUGH SOME VARIOUS SIZES, YOU KNOW, SOME TYPOLOGY JUST TO GIVE YOU. AND THEY'VE DONE SOME RESEARCH. YOU KNOW, THIS IS, AGAIN, FOUR YEARS OLD OR SO. YOU GET A SMALL SKATE PARK, IT'S UNDER 5,000 SQUARE FEET. THEN YOU GET INTO NEIGHBORHOODS, THEY'RE 10 TO 20. A SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD IS MAYBE 5 TO 10. BUT THEN A LARGER NEIGHBORHOOD IS 20 TO 30. AND THEN ABOVE 30, IT'S MORE OF A REGIONAL TYPE FACILITY. BUT THEY'RE IN THE $75 PER SQUARE FOOT COST. THESE ARE ALL CONCRETE POURED TYPE STRUCTURES. I PULLED THIS ONE UP BECAUSE THIS IS A RECENT CONSTRUCTION CONTRACT.

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I THINK IT WAS AWARDED IN JANUARY DOWN IN POMPANO BEACH. THEY HAVE AN EXISTING PARK, RESTROOMS, PARKING. THEY HAVE AN OPEN FIELD AREA WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO CONSTRUCT A CONCRETE FACILITY. NEW LINE SKATE PARKS IS A DESIGN-BUILD COMPANY. THEY'VE DONE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT IN FLORIDA. IT WAS $1.8 MILLION. SO THIS IS JUST A SKATE PARK ON AN EXISTING FIELD. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S NOT A LOT TO IT. THERE'S A BOWL, SOME FLAT AREAS, SOME COMPONENTS. IT IS 20,000 SQUARE FEET, BUT IT ADDS UP QUICKLY. THEY HAVEN'T STARTED THAT CONSTRUCTION. I THINK IT STARTED CONSTRUCTION. I THINK I SAW ON FACEBOOK SOME VIDEOS OF SOME OF THE WORK OCCURRING. I'LL BE DOWN THERE. I MIGHT STOP BY AND TRY TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. THIS ONE HERE IS A NEWER ONE, 2017. IT OPENED UP. IT WAS AN EXISTING PARK AS WELL. IT WAS IN JACKSONVILLE BEACH. IT'S JUST OVER 23,000 SQUARE FEET. AGAIN, CONCRETE TEAM PAINTSCAPE PARKS. THERE'S ANOTHER DESIGN BUILDER THAT'S PRETTY COMMON IN FLORIDA. IT'S DONE A BUNCH OF SKATE PARKS. THIS WAS DONE FOR $2 MILLION, BUT THAT INCLUDED A LITTLE BIT OF OFF-SITE. I THINK THEY DID SOME TENNIS COURT AND SOME SHADE PAVILIONS, BUT THE MAJORITY OF THAT WENT INTO IT. ONE THING DIFFERENT ON THIS ONE IS THEY ADVOCATED FOR A DEEPER BOWL HERE. I THINK IT'S A 12-FOOT DEPTH BOWL. SOME OF THE HIGHER-LEVEL SKATEBOARDERS WANTED A MORE PERFORMING BOWL. THERE'S MORE BOWLS THAN THIS ONE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THOSE ARE 2017 COSTS. SO, YOU KNOW, THIS IS PROBABLY. THREE MILLION OR MORE IN TODAY'S DOLLARS YOU KNOW THEY GOT SOME SHADE PAVILIONS AND SOME OTHER COMPONENTS YOU KNOW THE FACILITY SO JUST UH AS AN EXAMPLE THIS IS ARTIST WALK KIND OF PUT THIS OUT THERE AS A YOU KNOW DIFFERENT APPROACH THIS WAS A COMBINATION PROJECT WITH DOT AS PART OF OUR SIX ACRE REDEVELOPMENT CONNECTING UH NORTH BANK AND SOUTH BANK RIVERWALK SO IT'S UNDER AN OVERPASS SO IT GIVES SHADE PROTECTS FROM THE RAIN AND THOSE SORTS OF THINGS 30 000 SQUARE FEET CALIFORNIA SKATE PARKS. WAS THE DESIGN BUILDER IN THIS ONE. IT JUST OPENED IN 2024, BUT IT WAS $8.8 MILLION, BUT THAT'S NOT JUST THE SKATE PARK. THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN THAT. SO THE SKATE PARK COMPONENT, I DON'T HAVE THOSE SPECIFIC COSTS. THAT'S JUST A GREAT USE OF SPACE THERE. GREAT USE OF SPACE, ABSOLUTELY. AND THIS ONE HERE I PUT IN BECAUSE THIS IS ONE THAT MORE, I THINK, TAKES ALL ASPECTS OF DIFFERENT LEVELS OF... IN AGES AND ADD SOME VARIETY YOU KNOW FOR MULTIPLE TO A MULTITUDE OF USERS THIS IS 35 34 000 SQUARE FEET UM IT WAS BUILT BY NEW LANDSCAPE PARKS ONE OF THE PREVIOUS ONES WE LOOKED AT 2021 IT WAS PART OF A LARGER MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR PARK REHAB SO AGAIN I DON'T HAVE THE BREAKDOWN WE CAN PUT IN IF WE WANT TO GET MORE INFORMATION WE CAN BUT THIS HAS A PUMP TRACK IN IT IT HAS YOU KNOW A BOWL IT HAS DIFFERENT COMPONENTS SO THIS JUST SHOWS YOU DIFFERENT VARIETY OF THINGS THAT COULD BE DONE YOU KNOW GOING THROUGH HOW DO YOU DO ESCAPE PARK YOU KNOW IT'S LIKE ANY OF OUR CAPITAL PROJECTS YOU KNOW IT REQUIRES PROPER PLANNING COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT FUNDING YOU KNOW THEN YOU NEED TO LOOK AT SITE SELECTION DESIGN YOU KNOW GO THROUGH APPROVALS CONSTRUCTION YOU KNOW IT'S A IT'S A LONG PROCESS AND SO MANY STEPS BUT FOR IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL YOU KNOW YOU REALLY NEED TO GET THAT DESIGNER OR TRULY A DESIGN BUILDER, AND THIS APPROACH SEEMS TO BE VERY SUCCESSFUL. YOU NEED THE SKATERS, THE ADVOCATES, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE CITY. ALL WORKING TOGETHER WILL CREATE A WONDERFUL PROJECT. YOU KNOW, TRYING TO NOT DO IT. COHESIVELY YOU KNOW YOU WON'T GET NECESSARILY WHAT, WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS OR WHAT'S GOING TO MEET THE NEEDS OF THE CITIZENS OR, OR DOLLAR SPENT SO WE DID LOOK AT SOME SITES I KNOW COUNCIL WANTED TO KIND OF TOUCH UPON SITES UM ONE THING YOU WANT YOU KNOW CONSIDERATIONS I PUT ON HERE IS YOU KNOW PROXIMITY TO HOMES YOU KNOW BECAUSE WE HEAR IT ABOUT RALPH CARTER PARK WE HEAR IT AT OTHER LOCATIONS YOU KNOW IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER UM EXISTING DEVELOPED SITE YOU KNOW IF, IF YOU GO ON A VACANT SITE, YOU'RE GOING TO DOUBLE YOUR COST BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO PUT IN PARKING, STORMWATER, RESTROOMS, YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE OTHER COMPONENTS ASIDE FROM IT. SO IF YOU CAN PUT IT ON AN EXISTING PARK SITE OR EXISTING DEVELOPED SITE, IT'S GOING TO HAVE, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME COST SAVINGS FOR SURE. BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE BIGGER, YOU KNOW, PHILOSOPHICAL APPROACHES IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HAVE IN THE FUTURE? YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO HAVE FUTURE EXPANSION ON IT? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE SMALL OR LARGE NEIGHBORHOOD PARKS? SPREAD OUT AROUND THE CITY OR DO YOU WANT TO HAVE MORE OF A LARGER REGIONAL FACILITY? DO YOU WANT TO HAVE IT JUST FOR SKATERS OR BIKERS AND WHAT TYPES OF AGES YOU'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE? AND THEN YOU GET INTO THE DESIGN COMPONENTS. DO YOU WANT JUST BULLS OR DO YOU WANT A PUMP TRACK? AND THEN DEPENDING ON WHICH SITE YOU PUT IT AT, YOU CAN HAVE DIFFERENT FUNDING SOURCES. LIKE SAY IT'S IN TOWN CENTER,

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YOU CAN USE CRA AS A MATCH FOR THE PARK IMPACT FEES. SO THE SITE ON THE RIGHT, THE IMAGE ON THE RIGHT THE AERIAL IS THE Y DID A VERY VERY HIGH LEVEL CONCEPTUAL OF THEIR THEIR NEW FACILITY AND THIS RED SQUARE IN THE BACK WAS A POTENTIAL SKATE PARK THIS IS ONLY 5 000 SQUARE FEET BUT YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS ONE OF THE THOUGHTS OF THEY WOULDN'T OPERATE THE SKATE PARK I KNOW THIS IS BROUGHT UP BUT WE COULD PUT ONE ON HERE THAT COULD BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC IT'S NOT THERE'S NO COST OR FEE TIED TO IT IT WOULD BE ON THE EXISTING SITE SO YOU'D HAVE PARKING AND RESTROOMS AND WHATNOT THAT ARE AVAILABLE UM AND AND YOU CAN USE CRA DOLLARS. SO I JUST THREW THIS OUT THERE AS... KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE TODAY. SO TO MOVE FORWARD, WE WOULD KIND OF NEED DIRECTION ON COUNCIL'S APPROACH ON WHAT ITEMS OR HOW WE'D LIKE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL OR ANY OF THESE ITEMS. I GUESS I KIND OF OPENED UP THIS CAN WHEN I WAS ASKING ABOUT POSSIBLY DOING A SKATE PARK. TO ME, THE... SOUTHERN RECREATION CENTER FALLS IN THE CRA AND I THINK THAT FUNDS GOING INTO THE CRA SHOULD BE GOING TO THAT. SO THIS MONEY WASN'T INITIALLY ALLOCATED FOR THE SOUTHERN RECREATION CENTER. IT WAS ALLOCATED FOR INDIAN TRAILS AND THE PARKING OUT THERE, CORRECT? YES, THE ORIGINAL 1.5 MILLION WAS FOR THE PARKING BECAUSE WE BUDGETED IF WE WENT OUT TO BID BUT DOING IT IN-HOUSE WE HAD COST SAVINGS. YEAH, SO I FEEL PERSONALLY FROM WHAT I'VE FOUND OUT DOING A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH ON THE CRA THAT FUNDS GOING INTO THAT'S THE SRC SOUTHERN RECREATION CENTER SHOULD COME FROM THE CRA. THEY CAN, THEY DO NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE TO. YEAH, I'M SAYING THAT SHOULD BE A DEDICATED, ANY IMPACT FEES COMING INTO THE CRA SHOULD BE GOING TO STUFF LIKE THAT NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE REST OF THE CITY TO TAKE CARE OF NOT JUST YOU KNOW THE PICKLEBALL AND THE TENNIS PLAYERS WE HAVE OTHER KIDS WE HAVE WHAT 17 AND 19 000 KIDS IN THIS COMMUNITY WE NEED TO PROVIDE OTHER AMENITIES FOR THEM THAT'S WHERE I WAS GOING WITH THIS BUT UM SO WHAT WHAT DOES THE COUNCIL WANT TO DO AS FAR AS WHAT'S THE AMOUNT LEFT OVER CARL HOW MUCH IT'S ROUGHLY 960 000 SO 960 IS WHAT WE HAVE IT'S UH SO THEN WE HAD 110 000 FOR THE SAFETY NETTING UP TO 110 SHOULD BE LESS IF WE DON'T DO THE EXTENT OF THIS LIGHTING, I MEAN THE NETTING ON THE OUTFIELD. IS THAT SOMETHING COUNCIL WOULD LIKE TO... DO YOU GUYS WANT TO FOCUS ON THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS OUT AT INDIAN TRAILS AND HAVE THE REST SPILL OVER? BECAUSE I CAN'T AGREE TO HAVING THAT IMPACT V GO TO THE SRC. I JUST CAN'T. LIKE I SAID, I THINK IT SHOULD COME OUT OF THE CRA. I WOULD LIKE TO DO WHAT STAFF IS SUGGESTING, ONLY BECAUSE I DO THINK THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ARE REALLY IMPORTANT. WE, I THINK, YOU KNOW, IN AN EFFORT TO KIND OF FINISH THE WORK THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING OUT THERE, WE'VE GOT THE LIGHTS GOING OUT THERE, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A REALLY NICE COMPREHENSIVE FACILITY. AND I SAY THIS IS KIND OF THE LAST BOW TO TIE THAT UP, BEING THAT WE DID GET THE EXTRA TDC MONEY FOR THE LIGHTING ON THOSE OTHER FOUR FIELDS. SO I'M DEFINITELY, AND I OPENED, TO YOUR POINT OF OPENING UP A CAN OF WORMS, I OPENED UP THIS CAN OF WORMS WITH THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. SO I THINK DEFINITELY THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. THE REASON I... I'M IN FAVOR OF THE PARKING AT SRC. IT'S BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED TODAY IN THAT WE DO NEED TO DO IMPROVEMENTS OUT THERE THAT WILL BRING MORE MEMBERSHIP, THAT CAN BRING MORE TOURNAMENTS. THE PARKING OUT THERE IS AWFUL. THE GENTLEMAN SAID AT ONE POINT YOU ALL NEED TO GET ON THE GROUND AND LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON OUT THERE. I USE THAT DOG PARK QUITE OFTEN, AND I CAN'T EVER PARK OVER THERE. I DON'T MIND PARKING BY THE DOG PARK. BUT I SEE A LOT OF OTHER FOLKS HAVING TO PARK OVER THERE EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE GOING TO SRC AND EVEN THEN SOMETIMES YOU DRIVE AROUND QUITE A BIT. SO THE PARKING IS A PROBLEM. I HAVE NEVER BEEN THERE AND PARKING HAS BEEN EASY. NO. NEVER ONCE AND I'VE BEEN THERE 50 TIMES. YEAH, IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT. SO I THINK WE DO NEED PARKING AT SRC. NOW, AS FAR AS THE SKATE PARK GOES, I DO WANT TO SEE US HAVE A SKATE PARK. I, THOUGH, AM IN FAVOR OF PUTTING IT ON THE YMCA PROPERTY. AND I KNOW WE HAD SOME FOLKS THAT WERE HERE PREVIOUSLY THAT WERE NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT BECAUSE THEY FELT THE YMCA WOULD BE RUNNING IT. THAT'S NOT THE CASE. MY ONLY KIND OF HOLDUP WITH IT BEING ON THE YMCA PROPERTY IS, WELL, AND TO YOUR POINT, IF IT IS ON THE YMCA PROPERTY, WE CAN USE CRA DOLLARS TOWARDS IT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER GOOD THING. BUT 5,000 SQUARE FEET IS JUST NOT VERY BIG. SO I'M LOOKING AT SOME OF THE EXAMPLES THAT YOU HAD IN THE PRESENTATION. IT LOOKS LIKE THE ONE FROM MEREDITH, NEW HAMPSHIRE, WAS ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET.

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I THINK THAT WAS... CARL WAS... WE OWN THAT. HE WENT TO THE BATHROOM, BUT CARL WAS SAYING FOR OUR COMMUNITY, IDEALLY YOU WOULD HAVE LIKE 40,000 SQUARE FEET, RIGHT, CARL? IS THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING EARLIER ABOUT THE... TOTAL COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY, WE HAVE ABOUT 25,000. NOW WE REALLY NEED TO DOUBLE THAT IS TO MEET... NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY AND WE DON'T HAVE A CONCRETE BOWL SO REALLY HAVING A CONCRETE TYPE SKATE PARK UP AROUND THAT 20,000 SQUARE FEET IS PROBABLY WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND PUTTING IN BECAUSE YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS POMPANO BEACH ONE THIS IS 20,000 SQUARE FEET AND YOU GET IF YOU LOOK AT THIS ARROW THERE'S NOT A LOT TO IT YOU KNOW 20,000 IT DOESN'T GET YOU A LOT YOU KNOW HOW MUCH SPACE DO WE HAVE AT RALPH CARTER RIGHT NOW OH AT RALPH CARTER IT'S FIVE IT'S 04,900 SQUARE FEET OKAY IT'S LIKE WHAT, THREE OR FOUR RAMPS? YEAH, WE HAVE... IT'S TINY. YOU CAN SEE THE AERIAL HERE. SO WE HAVE THIS TINY LITTLE RAMP AND THEN THIS HALF PIPE AND THEN A COUPLE OTHER COMPONENTS ON THIS SIDE. THAT'S LIKE ENTRY LEVEL. YEAH, ONE OF MY BIGGEST, YOU KNOW, WITH THE PUSHBACK I'VE BEEN RECEIVING IS, WELL, WE ALREADY HAVE A SKATE PARK AT WADSWORTH PARK. WELL, THAT'S A COUNTY PARK. AND SOMEONE THAT LIVES UP ON THE NORTH END IN THE L SECTION, IT'S A STRETCH FOR A KID TO GET FROM THE L SECTION DOWN TO WADSWORTH PARK. THAT'S WHY WE NEED SOMETHING CLOSER TO THE CENTER OF THE CITY, IN MY OPINION. AND THIS IS A DIFFERENT COMPONENT. THIS IS THE PREFAB COMPONENT. IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE OF SKATE PARK FACILITY. YEAH. YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE RECEIVED THE FEEDBACK IN THE PAST, THE FEEDBACK HAS BEEN THIS IS NOT THE TYPE OF FACILITY THAT WE NEED TO USE, YOU KNOW, IN MODERN TIMES. THEY WANT A BOWL. I'VE GOT A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO RIGHT, THE CONCRETE ONES, THE ONES THAT I HAD IN THE SAMPLES. THAT'S TYPICAL. THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE ARE BUILDING NOWADAYS, ALL THE CONCRETE. WE CAN PUT A BOWL ON THE YMCA PROPERTY. YOU CAN. YOU CAN PUT A BOWL THERE. SO, I MEAN, LOOK, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT, ONE, I HAVE TO POINT OUT, THIS WAS NEVER PART OF THE PARK'S MASTER PLAN, RIGHT? SO WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE TO ADD SOMETHING IN, AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. I THINK WE DO NEED IT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO BE REALISTIC HERE. YOU KNOW, ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET ALL OF THE NEEDS THAT OUR COMMUNITY WANTS IN THE FORM OF A SKATE PARK TOMORROW? NO, IT'S NOT FEASIBLE. IT IS WHAT IT IS. BUT COULD WE PLAN TO PUT A BOWL IN IN THE 5,000 SQUARE FEET THAT WE HAVE ON THE YMCA? USE CRA MONIES. KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO BE DEVELOPED AT THE SAME TIME. SO WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT COST SAVINGS, ECONOMIES OF SCALE, THINGS OF THAT NATURE, I THINK IT'S A GOOD OPPORTUNITY. AND WE CAN KEEP A LOOKOUT FOR OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR A LARGER OPTION DOWN THE ROAD. I DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD MAKE THE BOWL OBSOLETE BY ANY MEANS. SO JUST IF I COULD ADD IN IF YOU DON'T MIND UM ON THE Y SITE YOU KNOW WE HAVE THE THE STAGE YOU CAN SEE JUST CUT OFF YOU KNOW IN THE AREA PROPERTY BEHIND IT WHAT WE HAVE IN OUR BUDGET IS YOU KNOW WHEN THE Y CONTRACT COMES TO COUNCIL WE WANTED WE BUDGETED SOME DOLLARS I WANT TO SAY IT WAS 65 000 OR SO TO DO A MASTER PLAN OF THE ENTIRE SITE SO IF WE'RE GOING TO EXPAND THE STAGE COVER THE STAGE WE'RE GOING TO DO ANYTHING WITH THAT HOW'S THAT GOING TO WORK WITH THE Y SO WE'RE GOING TO USE THE SAME DESIGN TEAM AS A Y AND LOOK AT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY AND AS PART OF THAT WE CAN HAVE THEM WORK ON FITTING IN THAT SKATE PARK AND YOU CAN SEE IT COULD COME DOWN ONTO THAT ARTS PARCEL YOU KNOW SO WE COULD EASILY EXPAND THE SKATE PARK SQUARE FOOTAGE SO THAT'S MR MAYOR I JUST WANTED TO JUMP IN WITH MY THOUGHTS ON THIS. IN TERMS OF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, OKAY, THIS IS A SMALL PIECE AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE TIME AND TAKES MONEY, ONE OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND WHAT WE SAW, I THINK, IN ORLANDO WITH THEIR RECENTLY COMPLETED ONE, AS WELL AS OCALA, WAS A LARGER SITE PLAN THAT WAS PHASED OVER TIME THAT YOU PUT SMALL PORTIONS OF YEARS. AND SO I THINK THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO, ONE, INCORPORATE THE LATER PHASES INTO THE MASTER PARKS PLAN. SO THAT WE HAVE A PLAN SAVING MONEY FOR IT, BUT ALSO KIND OF ACCOMMODATE FRONT END. THE NEAR-TERM NEED OR WANTS FOR THIS AS WELL WITH A SMALLER PIECE THAT WE KNOW WILL GROW LATER MAY NOT BE THE FINISHED PIECE OF WHAT EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE RIGHT AWAY, BUT EVENTUALLY IT WOULD GET THERE AND WOULD GIVE SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD ADVOCATE FOR IS KIND OF LOOKING AT THIS. I THINK IN ONE OF THE... SLIDES YOU TALK ABOUT KIND OF PHASED OVER THE MODELS LIKE THE ONE UNDER CONSTRUCTION HERE AND IF YOU LOOK AT SOME EARLIER RUNNINGS THEY HAVE A PUMP TRACK BUT IT'S NOT WASN'T IN THE CURRENT CONTRACT BUT THEY HAVE ABILITY TO ADD THE PUMP TRACK ON YEAH AND THERE WAS LATER THERE WAS SOME OF THAT ON THE OCALA ONE I THINK JOHN HAS A LOT OF INFORMATION I BELIEVE ON IT AS BACK OR SKATING ADVOCATES

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CAME TO COUNCIL AND ZITO'S GAVE A LOT. I THINK WE HAVE A LOT. SOME OF THAT BASIS IS FAIRLY SMALL. I THINK IT'S. YEAH, IT WAS ON. SO THERE'S EXAMPLES OF SMALL PHASE THAT THINK WITH THE USABLE SPACES THERE. SKATE PARK C FEEDER FOR THE ULTIMATE ONE BITE MR MAYOR CAN I THROW SOMETHING OUT REAL QUICK WHAT DO WE DO WITH THE UH THE PROPERTY FOR FRIDA ZAMBA BECAUSE I AGREE WITH THE MAYOR'S POINT SOMEBODY IN THE L SECTION SHOULDN'T HAVE TO BE CROSSING ALL THE WAY TO TOWN I MEAN THE PROPERTY WHERE FRIDA ZAMBA IS AT THE POOL IS MORE CENTRAL RIGHT AND I KNOW WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT THE BUT WHAT DO WE DO WITH THAT PROPERTY YOU THAT ONE WE HAVE A MASTER PLAN IN THE BUDGET FOR 50 GRAND. ONCE THE Y MOVES, WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE THE TENNIS COURTS ARE DILAPIDATED. WE'D HAVE TO GET RECONSTRUCTED. DO WE DO THAT? THE HANDBALL COURTS, YOU KNOW. SO THE WHOLE THING IS TO GO THROUGH COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT, COUNCIL DIRECTION. WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO WITH THAT PARK? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I MEAN, THAT'D BE A GREAT PLACE FOR A SKATE PARK. HOW MANY ACRES IS THAT? HOW MANY ACRES ARE AVAILABLE? IT'S PRETTY BIG BECAUSE YOU GET THE POOL AND YOU GET THE FIELD AREA. SO YOU DO HAVE QUITE A BIT OF AREA THERE AS WELL. AND IT'S CENTRAL. IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CITY. IT'S CLOSER TO THE CENTER. YEAH, THE CENTER. I THINK FIRE STATION 21 IS THE GEOGRAPHIC CENTER. YOU'D HAVE TO FIND THE MATCH. SO THAT'S OUR DIFFICULTY WITH ALL OF OUR PARK PROJECTS IS WE DON'T HAVE THE EXISTING CITIZEN MATCH. AND YOU'LL SEE THAT WHEN I PRESENT THE CAPITAL PROJECT FUND. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE LIKE $20 MILLION IN THE FIVE YEARS AND THERE'S NO MATCH FROM RESIDENTS TO DO ANYTHING WITH IT. UNLESS YOU USE FUND BALANCE. THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS ABOUT 500,000 SQUARE FEET JUST FOR... YES, THAT'S INCLUDING THE STORMWATER POND, THOUGH, THAT'S KIND OF IN THE CORNER, SO IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO 450. I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GOING TO PHASE THAT POOL OUT ANYWAYS. BUT, I MEAN, YOU EVEN HAVE THAT FIELD IS JUST A FIELD. YOU COULD CONVERT THE POOL INTO THE BOWL. THEY DO THAT IN L.A., RIGHT? MAYOR MIKE WILL DO THE FIRST DROP INTO THE POOL. BUT I DO AGREE WITH MAKING THE NEXT SIGNIFICANT SKATEBOARD PARK MORE CENTRALLY LOCATED. SO IS THERE CONSENSUS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE PARKING? YEAH, SO I WAS GOING TO JUST FOLLOW ON WITH TWO MORE POINTS. ONE, I AGREE WITH THE SAFETY MEASURES AT INDIAN TRAILS. RIGHT AND THEN TWO UM IT'S NOT JUST ABOUT THE SOUTHWEST RECREATION CENTER IT'S ABOUT LEHIGH TRAIL RIGHT IT'S ABOUT THE DOG PARK I MEAN WE NEED THAT PARKING THERE FOR EXPANSION AND I THINK THE MORE CAPACITY WE HAVE IT WILL HELP US AND HELP JAMES YOU KNOW LOOK AT OPTIONS TO BRING BACK ON YOU KNOW POTENTIAL REVENUE OPTIONS THE PLACE IS PACKED ALL THE TIME I DRIVE BY MY HOUSE RIGHT SO YEAH I SEE IT NON-STOP AND SO UM YEAH I SUPPORT THOSE TWO PROJECTS WE WENT FORWARD. SO WE'RE GOOD? EVERYBODY? I WAS GOING TO ASK, SO HIS PONTERIOR SAID NETTING. ARE YOU NOT THE BATTING CAGES, JUST THE NETTING? ALL THE SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS. THE BATTING CAGES TOO. YEAH. SO BATTING CAGES, ALL SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS, THE PARKING, AND WHAT DIRECTION ABOUT THE SKATE PARK? SOMETHING FOR ANOTHER DAY. CONTINUE TO LOOK AT IT. OH, WE PUT IT ON OUR SAP. SO WE'VE ADDED IT TO THE SAP. SO IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIND FUNDING. WE'LL MAKE SURE WE INCLUDE IT AS PART OF OUR BELL TEAR AND WHY AT LEAST MASTER PLAN FOR LOOKING AT SPACE WHEN WE DO THOSE UPDATES AND COME BACK TO COUNCIL. BUT IF WE COULD TAKE A LOOK AT THAT PROPERTY AS A POSSIBLE OPTION OVER AT FRIDA, IT'S MORE CENTRAL TO IT. WHAT ARE THE TIMELINES FOR THAT PARK? THE PLAN FOR FRIDA ZAMBA PROPERTY, THAT PLAN WON'T OCCUR UNTIL AFTER WE MOVE OUT OF THAT FACILITY? WELL WE PUT THE MONEY IN NEXT YEAR'S BUDGET SO WE CAN START AT ANY TIME OKAY SO OBVIOUSLY WE WANT TO DO THE PLAN AHEAD OF TIME SO WE CAN THEN PROGRAM ANY CHANGES YOU KNOW WHEN THE POOL DOES SHUT DOWN YEAH I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNOW EVERYBODY'S

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FULLY AWARE LIKE WHEN WE SAY WE'RE GOING TO DO IT LATER IS THAT IN THE UPCOMING BUDGET OR IS THAT THREE YEARS FROM NOW UM I'LL I HAVE IT IN A LINE ITEM IN THE CIP I PROPOSED IN AUGUST FOR THE COUNCIL OKAY UM WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT IN-HOUSE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AGAIN? CORRECT, JUST LIKE INDIAN TRUST. OKAY. I'LL BE PRAYING FOR ANOTHER STRIKE OF LIGHTNING THAT RESULTS IN SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF EXTRA MONEY THAT COULD GO TO A SKATE PARK. SO YOU HAVE THE GUIDANCE YOU NEED, CARL, JAMES. ARE WE GOOD, MR. ATTORNEY? YES, SIR. OKAY. COUNCIL HAPPY? EVERYBODY'S HUNGRY? WE'LL OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SIR, GOOD AFTERNOON. MAYOR NORRIS, VICE MAYOR PONSIERI, MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, CITY MANAGER MCLAUGHLIN, MY NAME IS TODD MILNER. THE PRIVILEGE OF SERVING AS PRESIDENT, PALM COAST LITTLE LEAGUE. FIRST, THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOUGHTFUL DISCUSSIONS. I'D LIKE TO RECOGNIZE JAMES FROM PARKS AND RECREATION, CARL FROM STORMWATER AND ENGINEERING. FROM MY EXPERIENCE WORKING WITH YOUR STAFF, I'VE BEEN IMPRESSED WITH THEIR PROFESSIONALISM, THEIR RESPONSIVENESS, AND THEIR WILLINGNESS TO COLLABORATE. THEY'VE ANSWERED QUESTIONS, PROVIDED GUIDANCE, AND HELPED US NAVIGATE THE PROCESS WITH ONE SHARED GOAL, DOING WHAT'S BEST FOR PALM COAST. AS A FATHER OF THREE WHOSE CHILDREN PLAY LITTLE LEAGUE, FLAG FOOTBALL, AND SOCCER, MY FAMILY EXPERIENCES FIRSTHAND THE IMPACT THESE PARKS MAKE. THE RECENT PARKING LOT EXPANSION AT INDIAN TRAILS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THIS. IT'S COUNCIL'S COMMITMENT TO INVESTING IN THE FACILITIES THAT SERVE US TODAY WHILE PREPARING FOR THE FUTURE. THE PROPOSED BATTING CAGES ARE MUCH MORE THAN A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. THEY REPRESENT AN INVESTMENT IN OPPORTUNITY. EVERY DAY, THEY WILL GIVE HUNDREDS OF YOUNG ATHLETES A PLACE TO PRACTICE, DEVELOP CONFIDENCE, AND LEARN THE VALUES THAT YOUTH SPORTS TEACH. DISCIPLINE. TEAMWORK, RESILIENCE, AND RESPECT. THEY WILL ALSO STRENGTHEN PALM COAST'S ABILITY TO ATTRACT REGIONAL TOURNAMENTS THAT SUPPORT OUR LOCAL BUSINESSES AND SHOWCASE OUR COMMUNITY TO VISITING FAMILIES. PALM COAST LITTLE LEAGUE IS COMMITTED TO BEING A TRUSTED COMMUNITY PARTNER. WE BELIEVE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS SUCCEED WHEN THEY'RE BUILT ON COMMUNICATION, ACCOUNTABILITY, AND FOLLOW-THROUGH. THAT'S THE STANDARD WE HOLD OURSELVES TO, AND IT'S A RELATIONSHIP WE'RE COMMITTED TO BUILDING WITH THIS CITY FOR YEARS TO COME. WE TRUST THE EXPERTISE OF CITY STAFF. WE RESPECT THE PROCESS THAT YOU'VE ESTABLISHED, AND WE'RE HERE TO DO WHATEVER WE CAN TO HELP MAKE THIS PROJECT SOMETHING THE COMMUNITY IS PROUD OF. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP, FOR YOUR PARTNERSHIP, AND MOST OF ALL, THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONTINUED INVESTMENT IN THE CHILDREN AND FAMILIES OF PALM COAST. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. YOU CAN PULL IT DOWN TO YOU. THERE YOU GO. GOOD AFTERNOON, MAYOR, VICE MAYOR, AND CITY COUNCIL. I'M 12, MY NAME IS CARDEN RAMIREZ, I'M 12 YEARS OLD, AND I LIVE HERE ON PALM COAST. FIRST, THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO LISTEN TO KIDS LIKE ME. I LOVE SKATEBOARDING BECAUSE IT GETS ME OUTSIDE, AWAY FROM VIDEO GAMES, AND ACTIVE WITH MY FRIENDS. EARLIER THIS SUMMER, I WENT TO A SKATEBOARD CAMP IN TAMPA. IT SHOWED ME WHAT A MODERN CONCRETE SKATE PARK CAN BE. IT WAS FUN, FLOWED REALLY WELL, AND THERE WAS ROOM FOR EVERYONE FROM BEGINNERS TO EXPERIENCED SKATERS. WHEN I HEARD THE CITY WAS TALKING ABOUT SKATE PARKS, I WANTED TO LEARN MORE. I LEARNED THAT OUR CURRENT PARKS DON'T REALLY MEET TODAY'S NEEDS. RALPH CARTER SKATE PARK IS ONLY ABOUT 4,900 SQUARE FEET, AND IT WAS BUILT A LONG TIME AGO. WADSWORTH IS BIGGER, BUT IT'S MADE WITH PREFABRICATED RAMPS INSTEAD OF CONCRETE. AND THE CITY'S REPORT SAYS MANY OF THOSE PARKS WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED. WHAT SURPRISED ME WAS THAT THE CITY'S OWN RESEARCH SAYS THE CITY SHOULD HAVE ABOUT 10,000 SQUARE FEET OF CONCRETE SKATE PARK FOR EVERY 25,000 PEOPLE. PALM COAST NOW... HAS MORE THAN 110,000 PEOPLE, WHICH MEANS WE SHOULD HAVE MORE THAN 44,000 SQUARE FEET OF CONCRETE SKATE PARK. WE'RE NOWHERE CLOSE TO THAT TODAY. I KNOW SOME PEOPLE MAY THINK PALM COAST ALREADY HAS SKATE

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PARKS. I'M THANKFUL THAT WE DO, BUT OUR CITY HAS GROWN A LOT. WE HAVE MULTIPLE BASKETBALL COURTS, TENNIS COURTS, PICKLEBALL COURTS, BASEBALL FIELDS, AND PLAYGROUNDS BECAUSE DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOODS AND DIFFERENT PEOPLE YOU NEED PLACES TO PLAY. I HOPE SKATEBOARDING CAN BE TREATED THE SAME WAY. AS YOU DECIDE HOW TO USE THESE UNUSED PROJECT FUNDS, I HOPE YOU'LL THINK ABOUT INVESTING IN A MODERN CONCRETE SKATE PARK THAT CAN SERVE KIDS AND FAMILIES FOR MANY YEARS. IT'S NOT JUST A SKATE PARK. IT'S A PLACE WHERE KIDS CAN EXERCISE, BUILD CONFIDENCE, MAKE FRIENDS, STAY ACTIVE, AND... SPEND TIME WITH THEIR FAMILIES. I KNOW THERE ARE MANY IMPORTANT PROJECTS IN OUR CITY, BUT I HOPE THAT YOU'LL REMEMBER THAT INVESTING IN KIDS IS ALSO INVESTING IN PALM COAST'S FUTURE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. LET'S GO WITH CASANIGA. YOU CAN PULL IT BACK UP. I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU THIS TIME. I JUST WANT TO SAY HAVING A BIGGER SKATE PARK WOULD MEAN A LOT. KIDS MY AGE. HAVING PARKS THAT ARE TOO SMALL AND EVERYONE HAS TO TAKE CARE AND GETS CROWDED AND CAN CAUSE MANY ACCIDENTS. PARKS ARE TOO SMALL OR BIGGER PARKS GIVE BEGINNERS, YOUNGER KIDS, AND MORE EXPERIENCED RIDERS ENOUGH ROOM TO RIDE SAFELY. A NEW SKATE PARK WOULDN'T JUST BE FOR SKATEBOARDERS, PEOPLE THAT RIDE BMX BIKES, ROLLERBLADES, AND OTHER SCOOTERS. FAMILIES CAN COME TO WATCH AND SPEND TIME TOGETHER. PALM COAST HAS GROWN INTO A BIG CITY. AND I HOPE SKATE PARKS CAN GROW WITH IT TOO. PLEASE THINK ABOUT MAKING THIS AN INVESTMENT FOR A FUTURE OF PALM COAST. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. TODD WEEKMAN, I ADVOCATE FOR THE SKATE PARK AS WELL AND GIVE A COMPENSATION FOR THE TOPIC AND CONVERSATION THAT WAS ABOUT MOVING NEAR AND AROUND THE SKATE PARK. IT'S SMALL. IT FEELS UN... REALLY WELL THOUGHT, PLANNED OUT, BUT AT LEAST A SKATE PARK AND THERE'S ONE IN WADSWORTH. BUT I THINK FOR THOSE WHO LIVE IN THE L SECTION, B SECTION, THEY COULD HAVE SOMETHING MORE CENTRAL. IT WAS A GOOD CONVERSATION THERE. I AM A FAVOR, OR I GREW UP AROUND TEAM PAYNE'S PARK IN SARASOTA, AND SO I REALLY FAVOR WHAT THEY BUILD. THE CONCRETE LASTS, IT'S MORE DURABLE, IT'S SMOOTHER, IT'S MORE ENJOYABLE, AND SO I AGREE THAT A MODERN CONCRETE PARK WOULD BE A GOOD IMPROVEMENT. I THINK WITH THE INDIAN TRAILS AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON FOR BASEBALL, I UNDERSTAND JUST COMMENTING ON IT, SAFETY EQUIPMENT SEEMS NECESSARY, BUT THE BATTING CAGE, I THINK OF THAT AS LIKE A SPECIALIZING, IMPROVING PERFORMANCE OF THE STUDENTS OR CHILDREN WHO ARE PLAYING, WHEREAS SOMETHING LIKE A SKATE PARK IS MORE GENERAL. I THINK THAT IS JUST WEIGHING OUT THOSE OPTIONS. WHAT I LEARNED AT A SKATE PARK AND SEE THE STUDENTS GOING THROUGH AND THEY WILLINGLY PUT THEMSELVES DOWN AN OBSTACLE SERVES AS MENTAL TOUGHNESS AND FORMATIVE, ESPECIALLY IN THOSE YEARS WHEN THEY'RE BUILDING BONDS, AND THOSE KIND OF EXPERIENCES ARE IMPORTANT. SO I JUST THINK, WHEREAS IT SEEMS LIKE PARKS BECOME MORE AND MORE SPECIALIZED IN GETTING KIDS TO THE NEXT LEVEL OF COLLEGIATE SPORTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, I THINK A SKATE PARK IS MORE FOUNDATIONAL TO A CHILD WHO IS LOOKING FOR A PLACE TO FIT IN, TO GROW AND USE THEIR BODY, AND TO FIND COMMUNITY. SO I PERSONALLY FIND MORE VALUE. SO I JUST WANT TO LAY OUT THOSE COMMENTS THERE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. HI, MY NAME IS JUDSON O'NEILL. I'M ADVOCATING FOR A CONCRETE SKATE PARK AS WELL. AND I JUST WANTED TO AGREE WITH YOU, MAYOR, ABOUT THE LOCATION OF IT AND KIND OF THE DISTANCE BETWEEN MORE NORTHERN PALM COAST AND HAVING TO DRIVE ALL THE WAY TO WADSWORTH. AND I THINK THAT A SKATE PARK TOWARDS THE MORE NORTH SIDE OF PALM COAST. I LIVE IN THE C SECTION. A LOT OF THEM LIVE ON THE B SECTION. AND, YOU KNOW, WADSWORTH IS... LIKE A 20-MINUTE DRIVE AND SO IT'S NOT SUPER CONVENIENT MOST NIGHTS AND I THINK THAT A SKATE PARK UP THERE WOULD ADD TO THE YOUTH CULTURE OF PALM COAST BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN SKATEBOARD HARDLY AT ALL. I CAN GO DOWN MAYBE LIKE ONE RAMP, BUT I STILL FIND MYSELF HANGING AROUND THE SKATE PARKS A LOT. AND KIND OF WHAT PASTOR TODD WAS SAYING JUST A MINUTE AGO IS KIND OF A MORE BROAD THING. YOU KNOW, BASEBALL FIELDS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. WE HAVE A LOT OF PARKS DESIGNED FOR SPECIFIC SPORTS AROUND PALM COAST, BUT IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'RE AT THE BASEBALL FIELD, IT'S FOR BASEBALL, ALL THESE THINGS. BUT A SKATE PARK, I THINK, BRINGS A LOT OF THE YOUTH. TOGETHER BECAUSE YOU JUST GO THERE AND HANG OUT TOO AND WATCH PEOPLE SKATE AND ALL THESE THINGS. SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN I'M AT THE SKATE PARK, HALF

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OF IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT SKATING. IT'S ABOUT THE CULTURE AROUND IT. I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A BIBLE STUDY GOING ON AT THE SKATE PARK EVERY THURSDAY THIS SUMMER, DIFFERENT THINGS, AND IT'S BROUGHT A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE FROM OUTSIDE THE SKATE COMMUNITY TOO TO UTILIZING THE PARK. SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S CONSIDERATION AND WORK TO GET US A SKATE PARK, CONVENIENT AREA, PALM COAST. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. THE SKATE PARK, I JUST WANT TO SAY WITH THE LOCATION, THE YMCA ONE, IT WOULD BE NICE, BUT AGAIN, IT'S JUST SO FAR AWAY. AND I MEAN, I LIVE IN THE C SECTION. I HAVE PLENTY OF FRIENDS WHO LIVE IN THE B AND L SECTION. AND IT'S JUST TOO FAR FOR THEM. I JUST WANTED TO ADVOCATE FOR A BETTER LOCATION SOMEWHERE. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, SIR. I'M CADEN OLSON, AND I'M ADVOCATING FOR THE SKATE PARK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. YES, MA'AM. SHERRY SANDERS SPEAKING FOR THE ADDITIONAL PARKING AT THE SRC. ALSO, THE SAFETY FEATURES. I BELIEVE THE SKATE PARK IS ALSO IMPORTANT, BUT I THINK IT REALLY NEEDS TO BE INVESTIGATED AND DONE PROPERLY. LIKE THE GENTLEMAN SAID, LET'S MAKE SURE WE CAN BUILD IT AND BUILD IT RIGHT AND MAYBE TAKE THE TIME TO BUILD. PIECES AND PARTS OF IT SO WE HAVE A REALLY GREAT PARK IN A YEAR OR TWO. BUT REALLY TAKING THE TIME TO INVEST IN THAT AND DOING THE RESEARCH THIS GENTLEMAN PUT TOGETHER. BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SRC AND THE PARKING ISSUE, THE SRC ISN'T JUST ABOUT PICKLEBALL AND TENNIS, IT'S THE DOG PARK, IT'S THE PROGRAMS THAT THE YOUTH HAVE SIGNED UP FOR. OVER 2,600 YOUTH THE LAST TWO YEARS HAVE SIGNED UP FOR DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. KARATE KIDS ARE THERE NOW. BUT IT'S A GREAT FACILITY THAT WE CAN REALLY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF AND ALSO GENERATE ADDITIONAL REVENUE. THANK YOU, GUYS. THANK YOU, MA'AM. ANYONE ELSE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? SEEING NO ONE COME FORWARD, I'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE DOS. ANY FOLLOW-UPS FROM THE COUNCIL OR THE CITY MANAGER? CITY MANAGER? NO, SIR. COUNCIL? QUICKLY, I WANT TO THANK PALM COAST LITTLE LEAGUE FOR PARTNERING WITH US AND REACHING OUT AND LETTING US KNOW ABOUT THESE NEEDS. AND ALL THE... UM ADVOCATES FOR THE SKATE PARK THANK YOU GUYS FOR HANGING OUT ALL DAY WITH US AND FOR BEING SO RESPECTFUL YOU'RE ROCK STARS UM WE IF IT DOESN'T HAPPEN TODAY I CAN TELL YOU THE COUNCIL IS LOOKING VERY HARD AT BRINGING SOMETHING HERE AS SOON AS WE CAN OKAY SO HANG IN THERE THAT'S THE COUNCIL YOUNGER CITIZENS SO THANK YOU FOR COMING IN AND SUPPORTING WE MAY NOT GET IT RIGHT NOW, GUYS, BUT IT'S IN OUR SAP. WE MADE IT A PRIORITY TO PUT IT IN OUR STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN, SO IT IS ON OUR RADAR NOW FOR SURE, AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN GET A GOOD ASSESSMENT OF FRIDA ZAMA AND SEE IF THAT'S A POSSIBLE LOCATION. ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL? YES, SIR. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP. YOU GUYS WELL-SPOKEN AND PRESENTED YOUR OPTIONS VERY WELL. AND MR. KASTANEG, I TOOK A PICTURE. I'LL SEND IT TO YOUR MOM. SHE'D BE VERY PROUD OF YOU. WE GO TO CHURCH WITH THEM, SO GREAT JOB. THANK YOU. MR. MAYOR, I WAS JUST THINKING, SINCE WE HAVE THE YOUTH HERE TODAY, IT MIGHT BE GOOD TO JUST INFORM THEM WHAT IS OUR STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN, BECAUSE THEY MAY NOT KNOW WHAT THAT IS WHEN YOU SAY THAT. IT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR THE FUTURE FOR THE CITY, AND WE ADDED THIS. I DON'T KNOW, WHAT ELSE DID WE ADD? I KNOW WE CONTINUE WITH THE MASTER PARKS PLAN, THE SKATE PARK. IT'S WHAT PRIORITIES THAT THIS COUNCIL HAS SET FOR US TO GO FORWARD IN DEVELOPING THIS CITY. WHAT ELSE? CAN YOU NAME ANYTHING OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD? I KNOW THE MASTER PARK PLAN, THE FIRE SERVICE FEE. THERE'S A FEW OTHER THINGS THAT WE SPECIFICALLY NOTED ON OUR SET. YES, SIR. WE COMPLETED A FEW, ROLLED OFF A FEW, AND I THINK WE CONDENSED DOWN TO ABOUT EIGHT TO TEN AT THIS TIME. BUT, YEAH, A LOT OF THE SPECIFIC ONES ARE. ESCAPING ME RIGHT NOW. YEAH, AND SOME SHIFTED OVER TO OPERATING PRACTICES. ANYTHING ELSE? I DO, MR. MAYOR. SO I JUST WANTED TO ASK, SINCE IT IS PART OF OUR STRATEGIC ACTION PLAN, IN THIS BUDGET THAT WE TALKED ABOUT TODAY, IS THERE ANYTHING FUNDED IN REGARDS TO THE SKATE PARK? AS OF RIGHT NOW, THAT WAS UNFUNDED. OKAY. AND SO ANOTHER PORTION OF THAT IS IT SEEMS WE'RE KIND OF TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE CITY. SOME PEOPLE ARE ADVOCATING FOR THE CENTRAL LOCATION, YMCA. BUT I WONDER IF IT ISN'T APPROPRIATE FOR THIS COUNCIL TO MAYBE AT A DIFFERENT DATE BUT MAKE A DECISION ABOUT LOCATION AND THEN AS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THE FUND BALANCE AND STUFF

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LIKE THAT MAYBE WE CAN GET DESIGN AT LEAST FUNDED SO THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING REAL THAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT SO I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANY THOUGHTS ON THAT FORWARD WITH THIS SO THAT'S JUST NOT KIND OF LIKE SOMETHING ON THE LIST OF YOU KNOW MAYBE MOVING FORWARD WITH IT IN SOME SO I GUESS THE ASK IS YOU KNOW MAYBE HAVE STAFF COME FORWARD WITH LOCATION OPTIONS AND THEN ESTIMATES FOR COST OF DESIGN. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? RFP? WELL, I MEAN, SO WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IS, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT PART OF THE BUDGET, OBVIOUSLY IT WOULD HAVE TO COME. SO I GUESS THE THINGS WE NEED TO KNOW IS HOW MUCH IS IT GOING TO COST TO KIND OF START WITH AT LEAST DESIGN, RIGHT, BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF THE FIRST THING. WILL WE HAVE TO PUT OUT AN RFP FOR IT, CARL? YEAH, I'LL HAVE TO DOUBLE CHECK. I THINK TEAM PAIN AND EVEN THE OTHER ONE MIGHT HAVE A SOURCE BALL CONTRACT WE COULD PIGGYBACK. SO I'LL DO SOME DIGGING INTO IT. AND WHEN I COME BACK IN AUGUST, I CAN HAVE THAT WITH SOME OPTIONS AND SOME ROUGH COSTS TO SEE WHAT WE HAVE. FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PRESENTATION? YEAH, I WANT TO SAY WHEN I DUG UP ONE OF THEM, THEY SPENT ABOUT $60,000 UP FRONT WITH SOME GEOTECH WORK AND SOME UP FRONT DESIGN WORK. PROGRAMMING BUT I'LL, I'LL LOOK INTO IT SOME MORE AND LET YOU KNOW I THINK IT'D BE A GOOD THING TO YOU KNOW THAT WAY WE'RE AT LEAST MOVING FORWARD ON IT DOESN'T MEAN IT'LL BE BUILT YOU KNOW TOMORROW BUT AT LEAST WE'RE STARTING TO GET SOME DESIGN WORK AND I THINK ALSO INCLUDING A LOT OF THE ADVOCATES THAT HAVE BEEN CONTACTING US VIA EMAIL FOR THE LAST UH YOU KNOW PROBABLY SIX MONTHS TO A YEAR UH IN IN WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR YOU KNOW THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO IS BUILD SOMETHING EVERYBODY SAYS THAT'S NOT SO I CAN SHOW IT IN OUR PARKING PACK FEE FUND SO IMPACT FEES CAN COVER THE HALF THE COST UM AND THEN I'LL SHOW IT AS A MATCH IN THERE POTENTIALLY AND WE YOU CAN GO THROUGH IT AND YOU KNOW I KNOW WE UM KIND OF GOING OFF TOPIC SLIGHTLY BUT I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT GRANT SWAP TRAILER TODAY AND WHAT THE STATUS WAS AND SO YOU KNOW THAT FUND BALANCE YOU KNOW THAT DEPENDING ON THE EXTENT OF HOW STRUCTURALLY UM DAMAGED THE BOARDWALK IS IT COULD BE EXTREMELY COSTLY. IT MAY HAVE TO GET REBUILT. SO THAT'S JUST SOMETHING TO KEEP IN MIND. WE'LL KEEP PUSHING OUR STRUCTURAL ENGINEER ON THE STATUS OF WHEN WE'LL HAVE SOME OF HIS FINDINGS BACK. I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS A POTENTIAL NEED FOR THOSE FUNDS. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE TO ADD TO THE LIST. 100%. I SUPPORT THAT AS WELL. THAT'S A BIG PART OF OUR INTERCONNECTIVITY IN THE TRAILS. AND SO IT KIND OF CUTS OFF A LOT OF DIFFERENT TRAILS FROM EACH OTHER. AND IT'S USED A LOT. I GET EMAILS ALL THE TIME ABOUT IT. AND SEE SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS ABOUT IT. SO HAVING THAT INFORMATION WOULD BE GREAT. AND GOING BACK TO THE SKATE PARK, BUT SPECIFICALLY A CONCRETE. CORRECT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU DO NOWADAYS. THAT'S THE WAY THEY'RE DONE. OKAY. OKAY, SO YOU GOT THE GUIDANCE YOU NEED, CARL? YES, I DO. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. COUNSEL, YOU WANT TO ADJOURN FOR 30 MINUTES FOR LUNCH. 20 MINUTES, YOU TELL ME. 20 MINUTES. 20 MINUTES. SESSION, WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM 3, PRESENTATIONS, RESOLUTION 2026, APPROVING THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT INITIAL ASSESSMENT. MS. GROSSMAN. GOOD AFTERNOON. AND I ALSO HAVE CAITLIN. NORBERG WITH ME AND SHE IS A CO-TECH AND SHE'S WITH URBAN FORESTRY AND SHE DOES A LOT UM ABATEMENT ISSUES WITH OUR MITIGATION STUFF SO SHOULD BE SPEAKING TOO YES MA'AM UH THIS AGENDA ITEM RELATES TO THE 2026 NUISANCE ABATEMENT INITIAL ASSESSMENT THIS WAS REQUIRED REQUIRED BY LAW TO CONDUCT THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT HEARING AND THE FINAL ASSESSMENT HEARING THIS IS THE INITIAL HERE THIS IS THE INITIAL HEARING. IN 2010, CITY COUNCIL ADOPTED AN ORDINANCE THE CREATION OF THE ASSESSMENT AREA TO AUTHORIZE AND IMPOSITION THE NUISANCE ABATEMENT ASSESSMENT TO BE INCLUDED ON THE ANNUAL NON-AD VALOREM TAX BILLS SENT THROUGH OUR COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR WHERE THE CITY ABATED THE NUISANCE. EVERY YEAR THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO PREPARE AN INITIAL ASSESSMENT AND FINAL ASSESSMENT ROLL. TODAY THE ITEM IS TO PRESENT TO COUNCIL THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT ROLL AFTER THE ADOPTION OF THE INITIAL ASSESSMENT RESOLUTION PAYMENTS MAY STILL BE MADE ON ABATEMENT INVOICES. THE FINAL ASSESSMENT ROLL WILL

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THEN BE UPDATED FOR COUNCIL'S CONSIDERATION FOR THE SEPTEMBER 1, 2026 BUSINESS MEETING, AND THEREFORE THE AFTER THE ROLL WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR TO BE PLACED ON THE TAX ROLL. THE TYPES OF NUISANCES AND VIOLATIONS COVERED UNDER THE ORDINANCE ARE WILDFIRE MITIGATION, HAZARDOUS TREES, UNSECURED STRUCTURES SUCH AS HOUSE OR POOL, THIS MAY BE A BROKEN WINDOW OR A DAMAGED DOOR BULK TRASH FOR UNOCCUPIED DWELLINGS FROM A MOVE OUT OR EVICTION AND ILLEGAL DUMPING AN EXAMPLE OF THE ILLEGAL DUMPING WOULD BE YARD WASTE OR ACCUMULATIONS OF SOME TYPE OF UNOCCUPIED LOTS WHICH A LOT OF TIMES WE'LL SEE WHEN WE GO DOWN A CUL-DE-SAC OR SOMEWHERE ELSE FROM 2021 TO 2025 THE CITY HAS COLLECTED 521 THOUSAND 93.38 CENTS FROM THE NON-ADVENTURE NUISANCE ABATEMENT ASSESSMENT THE TOTAL BUILD IS GREATER AS THERE ARE TIMES TAXES ARE PAID IN DIFFERENT YEARS OR THE TAX FEED OCCURS WHEN A TAX FEED OCCURS DEPENDING ON THE AMOUNT OF THE SURPLUS THE CITY MAY RECEIVE AFTER APPLYING IN THE TAX FEED SITUATION SOME OF THE AMOUNT OWED AND AS YOU CAN SEE FROM 2021 TO 2025 THE RATE OF RETURN FROM 2021 TO PRESENT OUR RATE OF RETURN IN 2021 WAS 99 PERCENT 2022 98 PERCENT 2023 99 UH FY 24 99 AND 20 25 99 SO WE HAVE A GOOD RETURN ON THROUGH OUR TAX ROLL UH THIS YEAR FROM APRIL FROM EXCUSE ME MAY 1ST TO THE 30TH OF APRIL, THE TOTAL BALANCE WAS BILLED WAS $314,245. THAT WAS 846 INVOICES. COLLECTED WAS $195,170. THE AMOUNT BALANCE DUE AS OF IS $119, AND THEY STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO PAY UNTIL 1ST OF SEPTEMBER. AND THEN, OF COURSE, IT WOULD GO OVER. THE CITY IS REQUIRED TO PAY A 2% PROCESSING FEE OF PAYMENTS COLLECTED TO THE TAX COLLECTOR FOR PLACING THESE IN THE TAX ROLL EACH YEAR AND AS YOU CAN SEE THE RECORDED AMOUNTS ARE DOWN THERE IN THE BOTTOM IF WE WERE TO LEAN THE PROPERTIES A LIEN COULD STAY ON THE PROPERTY FOR 20 YEARS ALSO IN ORDER TO LEAN THE PROPERTY AS A $10 CHARGE AND TO RELEASE THE LIEN IS A $10 CHARGE SO IT'S MUCH CHEAPER TO GO THROUGH THE TAX ROLL AND WE GET A GOOD RETURN BUT THEN OTHERWISE WE COULD HAVE UP TO A 20 YEAR YOU KNOW BILL ON THERE THAT THEY DIDN'T PAY I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU IN REGARDS TO SO WHAT WE'RE SEEING WHEN WE SEE THESE ASSESSMENTS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE NOT PAID RIGHT THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS THAT IS CORRECT THAT COULD BE LIKE I SAID A HAZARDOUS TREE IT COULD BE A WILDFIRE MITIGATION IT COULD BE AN OVERGROWN LAWN IT COULD BE LIKE WE HAD A FIRE OVER ON FELLSHIRE WE HAD TO BOARD UP THE PROPERTY BECAUSE WE GIVE THEM BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE PROPERTY OWNER A REASONABLE TIME TO CORRECT THE VIOLATION SO WHAT IT'S CALLED, INSTEAD OF DOING A NOTICE OF VIOLATION, WE CALL IT A NOTICE OF REMEDY. SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE IN TERMS OF THE MONIES THAT WE'RE NOT SEEING HERE BECAUSE OF THE ASSESSMENT. WHAT PERCENTAGE WOULD YOU SAY, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE THOSE NUMBERS SOMEWHERE ELSE OR BY MEMORY, ARE WE SEEING AN INCREASE IN PEOPLE NOT PAYING THROUGH THE NORMAL PROCESS IN TERMS OF PERCENTAGES OR IS IT STAYING ROUGHLY FLAT? WELL, IT NORMALLY STAYS ABOUT THE SAME. YOU CAN SEE THE MONEY. IT LOOKS LIKE THESE NUMBERS, WHICH ARE THROUGH THE ABATEMENT PROCESS, ARE STAYING FAIRLY FLAT. THEY'RE STAYING FAIRLY FLAT. SO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THAT, WHEN PEOPLE RECEIVE A NOTICE TO CORRECT OR RECEIVE A BILL BECAUSE WE CORRECTED IT, THEY'RE PAYING ROUGHLY THE SAME PERCENTAGE. RIGHT. IT SOUNDED LIKE TWO-THIRDS WERE BEING PAID, AND THEN THEY PAID. YES, AND I'M GOING TO LET CAITLIN TALK ABOUT THAT IN JUST A MINUTE, AND SHE'LL GO THROUGH BECAUSE WHAT WE DO IS WE GIVE THEM A LETTER. WHEN, WHEN WE HAVE WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT LIVE OUT OF THE STATE, OUT OF THE COUNTRY, AND YOU'RE GOING TO SEND THEM A NOTICE OF REMEDY. WE ALSO SEND THEM WHAT THEY CALL A LETTER OF OFFICE. CAITLIN WILL GET THROUGH TO THAT. IF THEY SIGN THAT, THEN OUR COUNTRY... THEN WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT. YES, YES. AND IF THEY IGNORE US, WE STILL TAKE CARE OF IT, AND THEN WE SEND THEM A BILL, AND THEN IT WOULD GO ON THE TAX. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. UM MISS PONTIERI I DID CHECK ON REPEAT OFFENDERS UH THERE I COULDN'T FIND ANY MUNICIPALITIES UH THAT UM DID ANYTHING WITH WITH REPEAT OFFENDERS UM I WENT THROUGH WEST PALM BEACH SPRINGFIELD WACALA COUNTY GREEN ACRES SOUTH DAYTONA PORT ORANGE NOT ALL OF THEM USE THE SERVICE THAT WE USE EITHER WEST PALM BEACH USES NUISANCES SPRING FIELD ONLY DOES FIRE

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SERVICES UH WAKULA? WAKULA COUNTY? CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ONLY. GREENACRES DOES NUISANCE, SOUTH DAYTONA DOES NUISANCE, AND PORT ORANGE DOES ONLY FIRE PROTECTIVE. THERE WAS ONE THAT I DID HAVE, BUT THEY MUST HAVE A POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE IT GOT INTO PROSTITUTION AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE WHERE IT COULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE OF A REPEAT OFFENDER, BUT I THINK IT'S A CRIMINAL. ASSESSMENT. SO I COULDN'T FIND ANYBODY THAT HAS REPEAT OFFENDERS. AND THE OTHER THING WITH THE REPEAT OFFENDERS THAT I WAS LOOKING AT IS THEY'RE NOT ALWAYS THE SAME ADDRESS. SOMEBODY COULD OWN 10 PROPERTIES AND NOT AT ALL ONE TIME, ALL 10 PROPERTIES ARE IN VIOLATION. SO ONE YEAR, THEY MIGHT BE GETTING IT FOR 20 COCHISE COURTS. IN ANOTHER YEAR, THEY MIGHT BE GETTING IT FOR 7 CIMARRON. SO IT'S NOT ALWAYS THE SAME ADDRESS. THE SAME YEAR WHERE THEY'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OR KIND OF TAKING ADVANTAGE. THEY WAIT UNTIL WE DO IT. BUT SO YOU DO KNOW OF THE, THERE ARE 342 INVOICES LEFT TO GO ON THE DOCKET, I MEAN ON THE TAX ROLL. I DID GO AHEAD AND LOOK AT ICI. I DID LOOK AT MPC AND ONE OTHER, THEY'VE GOT ONE OTHER SUBSIDIARY. OUT OF ALL OF THOSE, THERE WERE 38 INVOICES. ALL RIGHT AND THEY WEREN'T ALL THE SAME ADDRESSES BUT NOW I DIDN'T GO BACK AND CHECK FOR FIVE YEARS EITHER UM THIS IS TREES AND FIRE ABATEMENT THERE'S PRETTY MUCH A WILDFIRE MITIGATION YEAH YES BECAUSE I ASSUME WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF THESE ARE BUILDERS THAT THEY'RE EMPTY LOTS AND THEN THEY JUST BECOME OVERGROWN RIGHT WELL THEN WHAT WE HAD WE JUST RECENTLY HAD BRIGHTLAND HOMES WHICH ACTUALLY WENT TO CODE BOARD BECAUSE THEY CLEARED ALL THE LOTS SO THEN WE'VE GOT TO KIND OF MITIGATE THEM BACK LIKE THE FIRST 15 FEET FROM EDGE OF PAVEMENT NEEDS TO BE A BAHIA GRASS. AND THEN WE MADE THEM SOD AND SEED. THE TREES ARE A LITTLE IFFY BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE WATER OUT THERE. SO IT'S KIND OF HARD TO KEEP TREES, YOU KNOW. BUT WE WERE FORTUNATE ENOUGH THAT ANOTHER BUILDER BOUGHT ALL 13 LOTS. AND THEY'VE PULLED PERMITS FOR ALL 13 LOTS. SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE THAT CONCEPT. SO SOMETIMES IT WORKS IN OUR FAVOR. SO I DID CHECK. AND I'LL CONTINUE TO CHECK. BUT I HAVEN'T FOUND ANYTHING YET. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. I APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. SO OUR PROCEDURES FOR LAWNS WEEDS AND OVERGROWTH THE PROCESS IS AS FOLLOWS A NOTICE OF REMEDIES ISSUED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER AND OR PROPERTY MANAGER GIVING A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME FOR COMPLIANCE WHICH IS USUALLY FIVE TO SEVEN DAYS AT THE END OF THE REASONABLE TIME PERIOD IF NOT IN COMPLIANCE THE CITY SCHEDULES THE WORK WITH THE CITY'S CONTRACTOR TO PERFORM THE WORK AN INVOICE IS THEN GENERATED AFTER THE WORK IS COMPLETED AND SENT TO THE PROPERTY OWNER IT INCLUDES A $100 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, AND THIS FEE IS TO COVER HARD COSTS TO PROCESS THIS PROCEDURE. IF THE INVOICE GOES UNPAID, STAFF ADDS IT TO THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT, WHICH GIVES THE PROPERTY OWNER SEVERAL MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO PAY PRIOR TO IT BEING PLACED ON THE TAX ROLL. SO THIS IS THE SAME PROCESS AS WEEDS AND OVERGROWTH, EXCEPT THE ALLOTTED TIME FOR COMPLIANCE IS 30 DAYS, AND THIS IS FOR HAZARDOUS TREES AND FENCE. THE DIFFERENCE WITH THIS IS WE GO TO UNDEVELOPED PROPERTIES SO WE ALSO INCLUDE A LETTER OF AUTHORIZATION WHERE THE PROPERTY OWNERS A LOT OF TIMES OUT OF STATE CAN AUTHORIZE THE CITY TO DO THE WORK ON THEIR BEHALF. AND THE PROCEDURES FOR WILDFIRE MITIGATION IS A SIMILAR PROCESS EXCEPT IT IS A NOTICE OF VIOLATION GIVEN TO THE PROPERTY OWNER ALLOTTING A 30 DAY NOTICE. AFTER THE 30 DAYS RUN, IF STILL NOT IN COMPLIANCE, THE PROPERTY IS POSTED FOR NONCOMPLIANCE FOR 30 DAYS. THEN, IF STILL NOT IN COMPLIANCE, THE CITY SCHEDULES THE CITY'S CONTRACTOR TO PERFORM THE WORK TO BRING THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE. THE INVOICE IS THEN GENERATED TO INCLUDE THE COST OF THE WORK PERFORMED ALONG WITH A $100 ADMINISTRATIVE FEE. IF THE INVOICE GOES UNPAID, STAFF ADDS IT TO THE NON-AD VALOREM ASSESSMENT, WHICH GIVES THE PROPERTY OWNER SEVERAL MORE OPPORTUNITIES TO PAY. SO A LOT OF THE PROCESSES TEND TO BE THE SAME. AND THERE IS A $100 ADMINISTRATIVE COST ON EVERY INVOICE, ON EVERY PROPERTY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. GROSSMAN? I DO NOT. THIS IS LIKE ANNUAL HOUSEKEEPING. WE'VE DONE THIS BEFORE. OKAY, NO QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL. WE'LL OPEN THIS FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION. NO ONE COMES FORWARD FOR PUBLIC DISCUSSION. BRING IT BACK TO THE DICE. ANY FOLLOW-UPS? THANK YOU, MS. GROSSMAN. THANK YOU. WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM FOUR, RESOLUTION 2026, APPROVING THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT, CDBG, FISCAL YEAR FY26-27, 26-27,

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ANNUAL ACTION PLAN. MS. JACKIE. AND MR. PAPA. COOL NAME. YES, MA'AM. GOOD AFTERNOON, CITY COUNCIL, MAYOR. MY NAME IS JACKIE GONZALEZ, COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. SITE DEVELOPMENT COORDINATOR AND WITH ME TODAY IS JOSE PAPA, SENIOR PLANNER WITH COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT. WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT OUR FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 26 ACTION PLAN. WE DO THIS EVERY YEAR. IT'S OUR BUDGET BASICALLY FOR CDBG AND WE NEED TO GO THROUGH IT AND IT HAS TO BE REVIEWED AND ANY CHANGES NEED TO BE MADE TO IT BEFORE WE SUBMIT IT TO AUGUST 16TH TO HUD FOR APPROVAL. WE RECEIVE FUNDING TO COMPLETE THE FOLLOWING NEEDS. CONSOLIDATED STRATEGY PLAN. WE DO THAT EVERY FIVE YEARS. ACTUALLY, IN 2027, IT'S COMING UP FOR US TO REDO IT, SO YOU'LL SEE THE 2027 FIVE-YEAR PERIOD EXTENDED CONSOLIDATED STRATEGY AND ACTION PLAN FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE TO DO THE COMMUNITY ACTION GOALS, WHICH IS DECENT HOUSING, SUITABLE LIVING ENVIRONMENT, AND EXPAND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY. TO RECEIVE THE FUNDING, WE HAVE TO MEET THE FOLLOWING. WE HAVE TO COMPLETE AN ACTION PLAN EVERY YEAR. WE HAVE TO ANALYZE THE IMMINENT TO FAIR HOUSING CHOICE, A COMPREHENSIVE ANNUAL PERFORMANCE AND EVALUATION REPORT THAT WE DO YEARLY, USUALLY IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER. ACTIVITIES, WE'VE GOT TO MEET ONE OF THE NATIONAL OBJECTIVES, WHICH EITHER NEEDS TO BENEFIT LOW- AND MODERATE-INCOME PERSONS OR AREAS, PREVENT OR ELIMINATE SLUM OR BLIGHT, ADDRESS URGENT COMMUNITY NEEDS. IN AN EMERGENCY SUCH AS A HURRICANE OR A NATURAL DISASTER OF SOME SORT. CDBG EXAMPLE ACTIVITIES THAT WE CURRENTLY DO, HOUSING-RELATED ACTIVITIES, PUBLIC SERVICE, LIMITED TO 15% OF THE GRANT ALLOCATION, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IMPROVEMENTS, INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS, PLANNING, ADMINISTRATION, AND MONITORING OF THE PROGRAM, WHICH IS ALSO LIMITED TO ONLY 20% OF THE ALLOCATED FUNDS WE RECEIVE YEARLY. ALLOCATED FUNDS CONTINUE ACTIVITIES FROM PREVIOUS YEARS SINCE WE HAVE ALREADY HAD A CONSOLIDATED ACTION PLAN. THE CURRENT ACTION PLAN ALLOWS US TO DO HOUSING REHABILITATION, FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYERS. WE ALLOCATE THAT 15% TO PUBLIC SERVICE MINI-GRANT, WHICH INCLUDES THE MINI-GRANT THAT WE DO FOR HOMELESS SHELTERS, EMERGENCY NEEDS, AND THEN SUMMER CAMP PROGRAMS. WE ALSO ALLOCATE FUNDS TO COVER GENERAL ADMINISTRATION. COMPLIANCE WITH THE RULES, WHICH WOULD BE OUR CONSULTANTS THAT WE HIRE FOR OUR MONITORING AND SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO ADMINISTER THE PROGRAM. STAFF SALARIES ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THAT 20% ALLOCATION. SO THE 2026 ACTION PLAN IS AS FOLLOWS. WE'RE GETTING 73% OF THE HOUSING ACTIVITIES WILL BE COMING FROM, 70% OF THE FUNDS WOULD BE GOING TOWARDS OUR ACTIVITIES. SO WE HAVE $299,606 GOING TOWARDS HOME REPAIR, 50 TOWARDS FIRST-TIME HOMEBUYERS. THEN THE 50% ALLOCATION FOR PUBLIC SERVICE IS GOING TO BE THE MINI-GRANT AT $37,283, SUMMER CAMP PROGRAM AT $35,000, AND THE PLANNING AND ADMINISTRATION AT $60,000, WHICH IS A TOTAL OF OUR TOTAL GRANT AWARD THIS YEAR OF $481,889. SO OUR NEXT STEP, WE HAVE A 30-DAY PERIOD THAT WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE. WE'VE ALREADY DONE THAT. IT NEEDED TO COME TO WORKSHOP IN JULY. IT'S GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING NEXT WEEK, AND THEN WE HAVE TO HAVE IT ALL TURNED IN TO HUD BY THE 16TH. ANY QUESTIONS ON OUR BUDGET FOR THIS YEAR? ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? NO QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL. THANK YOU, MS. JACKIE. WE'LL OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. MS. HATFIELD, NO PUBLIC COMMENT? WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO THE DICE. NO FOLLOW-UPS. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE LAST ITEM, PRESENTATION COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT BLOCK GRANT RECOMMENDED UPDATES. MS. JACKIE. ONCE AGAIN, GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M JACKIE GONZALEZ WITH THE CITY OF PALM COAST COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT. RECENTLY, WE DID A LOT OF UPDATES FROM LAST YEAR, SO STAFF LIKES TO KEEP EVERYBODY INFORMED ON WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH OUR CDBG FUNDS AND WHAT WE'VE ACCOMPLISHED. FIRST, THE CITY PROPOSED A NEW PROGRAM TO HELP STAFF WITH SOFTWARE, SO WE'VE EXPLORED THE SOFTWARE WITH OUR IT DEPARTMENT. WE'RE GOING TO USE PART OF THAT

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CDBG ADMINISTRATION FUNDS TO PAY FOR THIS ELIGIBLE SOFTWARE. IT ACTUALLY HELPS US KEEP IN COMPLIANCE. IT WILL ALSO RELIEVE SOME STAFF TIME THAT WE'RE USING. IT STREAMLINES THE PROCESS. IT MAKES IT ALL ONLINE. CURRENTLY, THE COUNTY IS USING THE SAME PROGRAM TO ACCEPT ALL THEIR APPLICATIONS FOR SHIP PROGRAM. SO EVENTUALLY, AS WE PROGRESS WITH THE PROGRAM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE. SO IF YOU APPLY WITH THE COUNTY. YOU CAN USE THE SAME APPLICATION WITH THE CITY. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REAPPLY. SO THIS WILL BE REALLY EFFICIENT FOR THE APPLICANT WHERE THEY CAN BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO BOTH PROGRAMS AT THE SAME TIME. ONE APPLICATION COVERS BOTH SHIP AND CDBG. THAT MAKES IT REALLY EASY FOR THEM. ALSO, IT WORKS GREAT BECAUSE IT ALSO NOTIFIES US WHEN WE NEED TO DRAW DOWN FUNDING FROM HUD TO HELP WITH FINANCE. SO FINANCE WILL ALSO BE ABLE TO HAVE ACCESS TO THIS PROGRAM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE EVERYTHING RUN SMOOTHLY FOR THE CDBG PROGRAM. OUR NEXT, WE UPDATED THE WEBSITE AND WE CREATED A HOUSING DASHBOARD. WENT TO A LOT OF CONFERENCES LAST YEAR AND A LOT OF THE CITIES ARE BEING TRANSPARENT WITH WHAT THEY'RE DOING WITH THEIR HOUSING DOLLARS. SO WE DECIDED TO FOLLOW SUIT AND CREATE A HOUSING DASHBOARD. IT GIVES THE GENERAL DEMOGRAPHICS OF OUR HOUSING PROGRAM HERE. ALSO DEMOGRAPHICS OF THE CITY OF PALM COAST. SO DEVELOPERS WHO ARE LOOKING TO COME HERE AND WANT TO BUILD AND DEVELOP AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS AND THE INFORMATION THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TO RIGHT UP FRONT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO AROUND SEARCHING THROUGH THE SITE TO DO THIS. AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO UPDATE THIS ANNUALLY AS WE GET THE INFORMATION FROM THE SCHOENBERG CENTER AT UF AND OTHER HOUSING AND HUD INFORMATION THAT COMES AVAILABLE TO US. ONLY QUESTION WE HAVE FOR THE COUNCIL, IS THERE ANY INFORMATION THAT THEY THINK THAT WE SHOULD ADD OR UPDATE MORE INFORMATION TO BE MORE TRANSPARENT? ANOTHER THING THAT WE SAW FROM OTHER COUNTIES, THEY HAVE A HOUSING DASHBOARD THAT SHOWS ALL THE INCENTIVE STRATEGIES THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED FOR AHAC, AS WELL AS FOR OUR HOUSING STUDY. SO WE CREATED BOTH INCENTIVE STRATEGIES, AND YOU CAN KEEP TRACK ON OUR PROGRESS ON THOSE STRATEGIES, SO THEN THAT WAY THEY CAN SEE THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY WORKING ON THOSE STRATEGIES THAT WERE APPROVED BY CITY COUNCIL, AND NOT JUST HAVING THEM SIT OUT THERE AND NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THOSE INCENTIVE STRATEGIES. SO BOTH OF THOSE ARE NOW ALSO AVAILABLE ON THE NEW HOUSING WEBSITE, AND THEY'RE UP TO DATE AND CURRENT AT THIS TIME. STAFF ACTUALLY WORKED THIS YEAR, AND WE RECEIVED, AS THE CITY STAFF INDIVIDUALLY APPLIED FOR OUR CLT CERTIFICATION. PREVIOUSLY, THE COUNTY HELD THAT CERTIFICATION. ONE OF THEIR EMPLOYEES, MS. DEVERY, ACTUALLY WAS THE ONE THAT HELD IT FOR OUR COUNTY. UNFORTUNATELY, SHE IS NOT CURRENTLY WORKING FOR HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, OR WE COULD SAY FORTUNATELY SHE'S BEEN PROMOTED TO THE DIRECTOR OF HABITAT. SO SOMEONE IN THE CITY NEEDED TO STEP UP OR IN THE COUNTY TO TAKE THE TEST, AND I DID. WE PASSED THE TEST, SO WE ARE NOW CERTIFIED AS A CLT. AND THIS YEAR AT THE HOUSING SUMMIT, WE WERE INVITED TO SIT WITH THE SUMMIT AS A PANELIST FOR CLT. SO WE WILL BE THERE TO EXPLORE AND... EXPAND OUR KNOWLEDGE OF CLT AS A COMMUNITY LAND TRUST. THAT'S WHERE WE WILL ACT AS A GOVERNMENT AGENCY IF THESE COMMUNITY LAND TRUSTS WANT TO COME INTO OUR CITY. AND WE ARE THE REVIEWING PARTY TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE AND THAT THEY MEET THE REGULATORY GUIDELINES NECESSARY FOR THE FLORIDA HOUSING COALITION. WE ALSO, THIS QUARTER, THIS YEAR, WE HAVE OUR ANNUAL MEETING WITH HUD WITH ALL THE UPDATES. A LOT OF NEW INFORMATION WAS PASSED ON TO US, A LOT OF NEW DIRECTION FROM HUD COMING ON THE FEDERAL LEVEL IN REGARDS TO MONITORING. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOT MORE MONITORING AND A LOT MORE INFORMATION. THE ENVIRONMENTAL REVIEW PORTION HAS BEEN INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY, AND THE REPORTING ON THAT IS NECESSARY. BUT THEY GAVE US A LOT OF INFORMATION, AND WE HAVE A LOT OF WORK THAT WE'LL BE HAVING TO DO. AS FAR AS THEM ANALYZING OUR PROCESS AND HOW WE'RE USING THE FUNDS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE DOING IT IN A TIMELY FASHION. THEN LAST BUT NOT LEAST IS THE HOUSING EMPOWERMENT SERIES. 2026 HAS BEEN DECIDED UPON, AND WE'RE GOING TO PUSH THIS OUT WITH ALL THE NEW TOPICS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. AND A LOT MORE EDUCATIONAL TOOLS ABOUT HELPING YOUNG PEOPLE DO CREDIT BUDGET RECOMMENDATIONS. LET'S TALK ABOUT HOW YOU'RE SPENDING YOUR TAX RETURN IN ORDER TO HELP YOU LOOK OUT AS FAR AS HOUSING GOALS AND DIFFERENT TOPICS THAT I THINK WOULD BE MORE INTERESTING FOR PEOPLE. WE OFFER THESE CLASSES ON A SATURDAY. WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE THIS SATURDAY FROM 9 TO 12 AT THE SOUTHERN RECREATION CENTER. SO ANYBODY IS WELCOME TO COME OUT. IT'S FOR FREE.

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FROM 9 TO 11, FROM 9 TO 10, WE HAVE THE CLASS, AND THEN FROM 11 TO 1, WE OFFER FREE COUNSELING SERVICES, WE OFFER FREE CREDIT REVIEW, WE OFFER FOR CLOSURE PREVENTION, AND WE DO ALL THIS ONE-ON-ONE WITH OUR APPLICANTS. SO THEY CAN COME OUT, EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT AN APPLICANT AND YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO COME OUT AND WE'LL HANDLE ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE. JACKIE, ARE WE PUSHING THIS OUT WITH OUR WEEKLY UPDATE THROUGH OUR COMMUNICATIONS AND MARKETING TEAM? WE WILL. I DIDN'T WANT TO PUSH IT OUT JUST YET UNTIL I SHOWED IT TO COUNCIL AND MADE SURE EVERYTHING WAS OKAY WITH IT. AND THEN I'M GOING TO START PUSHING IT OUT TOMORROW, AND IT'LL BE POSTED WITH SOCIAL MEDIA POSTS. IT'LL ALSO BE ON OUR CITY WEBPAGE ON THE FRONT OPPORTUNITIES THAT THEY HAVE TO COME OUT. YEAH, BECAUSE THESE ARE A LOT OF THE SAME TOPICS THAT WERE AT THE HOUSING FAIR AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. THERE WAS A LOT OF THOSE TOPICS THAT YOU'RE COVERING WERE QUESTIONS FROM A LOT OF OUR RESIDENTS. THANK YOU FOR DOING THAT. NO PROBLEM. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE COUNCIL? NO QUESTIONS, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION. I'M REALLY GLAD TO SEE THAT IT CAN BE DONE WITH ONE APPLICATION NOW. I'VE TALKED TO PEOPLE ABOUT CDBG AND ALSO SHIP, AND THEY ALWAYS SEEM TO FEEL VERY OVERWHELMED WHEN I KIND OF GIVE THEM INSTRUCTION, WHERE TO FIND INFORMATION, HOW TO ACCESS APPLICATIONS, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THIS IS GREAT. AS FAR AS THE SEMINARS THAT WE'RE DOING, THE SCHEDULE THAT YOU HAD UP ON THE SCREEN A FEW MINUTES AGO, DO WE ADVERTISE THAT ANYWHERE OR PUT IT OUT TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT THEY KNOW THESE ARE GOING ON? YES, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A SOCIAL MEDIA POST RUNNING WEEKLY ABOUT WHEN THE CLASSES ARE GOING TO BE TAKING PLACE. THEY'LL ALSO BE ON OUR WEB PAGE, AND WE'RE ALSO GOING TO START TRYING TO ADVERTISE THEM IN OTHER SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS TO GET THEM OUT THERE SO PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND. STAND OKAY THANK YOU ANYTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL I JUST THANK YOU THANK YOU FOR THE PRESENTATION JACKIE I'M SURE YOU, YOU KNOW THEY ARE FORECLOSURES GOING UP IN THE COUNTY YES THEY ARE DO YOU KNOW THE NUMBERS OFF THE TOP OF YOUR HEAD CURRENTLY I HAVE 26 APPLICANTS THAT I'M WORKING WITH ON FORECLOSURE YEAH AND NOT AND THAT'S NOT GOING TO SUGARCOAT IT. HALF OF THEM ARE HABITAT HOMES, UNFORTUNATELY. AND I SAW 10 HOUSEHOLDS FOR UNDER, AND THE MAJORITY OF THEM ARE HABITAT HOMES. RIGHT. LIKE I SAID, I HAVE 20 THAT ARE ACTIVE. WOW. OVER 20, BUT THAT'S WHO WE'RE WORKING WITH. BUT TOTALLY IN OUR INVENTORY AND FROM INQUIRIES, THERE ARE PROBABLY ABOUT 60 OR 70 HOMES THAT ARE CURRENTLY GOING THROUGH FORECLOSURE PROCEEDINGS. THE ONES WE'RE ACTIVELY WORKING WITH, WE'RE NEGOTIATING WITH THEIR MORTGAGE COMPANIES TRYING TO HELP THEM GET OUT OF FORECLOSURE AND DO FORECLOSURE PREVENTION AND CONSOLIDATION FOR THEM. DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW THE ROOT CAUSE? THERE'S REALLY NO ROOT CAUSE. IT'S ALL OVER THE PLACE. IT'S SCATTERED, TRANSIENT, WHATEVER THEY'RE DOING. A LOT OF THEM IS JUST INTEREST RATES. THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF ADJUSTABLE MORTGAGES. THEY GOT INTO AN ARM AND IT DIDN'T WORK OUT FOR THEM? CORRECT. YEAH, THAT'S WHY YOU'D NEVER DO AN ARM. IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE FROM THE COUNCIL, MS. HATFIELD, YOU GOT ANYTHING? OPEN IT UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT? NO PUBLIC COMMENT. BRING IT BACK TO US. ANY FINAL FOLLOW-UPS? THANK YOU, MS. JACKIE. THANK YOU, MR. PAPA, EVEN THOUGH YOU JUST SAT THERE AND YOU DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. BUT THANK YOU ANYWAY. WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO ITEM F, OUR FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT. MS. HATFIELD, YOU GOT ANYTHING TO SAY, FINAL PUBLIC COMMENT? OKAY, WE'RE MOVING ON FROM PUBLIC COMMENT. WE'RE CLOSING THAT. MATTERS NOT ON THE AGENDA FROM THE CITY COUNCIL. COUNCILMAN GAMBERO. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. THE ONLY QUESTION I HAD WAS REALLY FOR THE CITY MANAGER. I JUST KNOW LAST WEEK WE ASKED FOR KIND OF FEEDBACK ON. THE UH THE THREE-WAY STOP IN ROYAL PALMS TOWN CENTER AND THEN UH OLD KINGS AND TOWNS THAT I SAW THERE WAS ONE ACCIDENT I GUESS OVER THE WEEKEND AT THAT LOCATION BUT UH HAVE YOU BEEN ABLE TO GET ANY SORT OF DATA FEEDBACK FROM FROM THOSE TWO INTERSECTIONS UH NO SIR NOT YET IT IS STILL OUT TO STAFF THOUGH SO I'LL DO A QUESTION IS WHERE WE ARE ON THAT. MY SENSE IS THAT IT'S FLOWING A LOT BETTER, BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON'T GO THROUGH THAT ALL THE TIME. I DRIVE THROUGH THERE BOTH WAYS IN MY ROUTE TO WORK. OH, HERE WE GO. COMMANDER WOODWARD HAS AN UPDATE FOR US. HE RAISED HIS BIG OLD HOOK. YEAH, AND I HAVE A IT'S TAKEN A LITTLE BIT

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TO GET USED TO AS A DRIVER THAT GOES THROUGH THE AREA, BUT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO NAVIGATE IT OKAY. I SAW SOMEBODY BLOW RIGHT THROUGH THE STOP SIGN. IT'S JUST DID YOU? OH, I'VE SEEN THAT. WHAT YOU GOT, COMMANDER? SO THE UPDATE THAT I HAVE, I DON'T HAVE THE ACTUAL REPORT YET, IT HASN'T EMERGED, BUT IT WAS A SINGLE VEHICLE AND THIS DRIVING, SO IT HAD NO DRIVING. THAT'S GOOD TO KNOW. I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT IT, BUT IF YOU'RE AN OBSERVANT DRIVER AND YOU'VE DRIVEN FOUR-WAY OR THREE-WAY STOPS BEFORE, IT'S NOT THAT HARD TO FIGURE OUT. I INTENTIONALLY DRIVE THROUGH IT JUST TO SEE HOW IT'S DOING. YEAH, I'VE BEEN DOING THAT. AND IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING WELL, I KNOW. ON SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU KNOW, FIRST THERE WAS OUTRAGE BECAUSE CHANGE, WE DON'T LIKE CHANGE. AND THEN SEEN ON SOCIAL, AND THIS IS ANECDOTAL, RIGHT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY THINKS ABOUT IT, BUT A LOT OF, I'M STARTING TO SEE A LOT MORE POSITIVE COMMENTS. YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS GOING TO WORK, I THOUGHT IT WAS STUPID, BUT I'M ACTUALLY WAITING MUCH LESS NOW. I THINK HOPEFULLY AS PEOPLE BECOME AWARE OF THE TRAFFIC PATTERN, I THINK THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS PEOPLE. COMING TO IT, NOT KNOWING FOR THE FIRST TIME, THINKING IT WAS WHAT IT WAS, AND MAYBE GOING THROUGH THAT STOP SIGN ON TOWN CENTER WHERE ROYAL PALMS IS, AND JUST GOING THROUGH BECAUSE THAT'S HOW IT WAS BEFORE. I THINK MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS I SAW WAS BEFORE IT WAS EVEN CONVERTED. I WAS LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT? IT HASN'T EVEN HAPPENED YET. ANYTHING ELSE, COUNCILMAN GIBBER? THAT WAS IT, MR. MAYOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILMAN SULLIVAN? JUST GOT MY MAIL-IN BALLOT OVER THE WEEKEND, SO I ALWAYS ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO VOTE. THANK YOU, SIR. COUNCILMAN MILLER? COUNCILMAN VOSMAYER? THAT WAS WEIRD. I'M BOTH TODAY. OKAY. COUNCILWOMAN AND VOSMAYER. YES, MA'AM. I WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY FOR COMING OUT. TO THE CHILDREN'S BUSINESS FAIR. AND THANK YOU TO MARIA DELGADO FOR PUTTING THAT ON. IT'S ALWAYS A REALLY FUN EVENT AND I ALWAYS LOVE TO SEE HOW CREATIVE AND HARDWORKING OUR KIDS AND THE COMMUNITY ARE. SO THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY WHO PARTOOK IN THAT. WE DO HAVE ON FRIDAY THE TORTUGAS GAME. SO IT'S PALM COAST TAKES OVER THE BALLPARK. WE HAVE SOME TICKET SPECIALS RUNNING. I BELIEVE THEY'RE STILL RUNNING. SO DEFINITELY, I KNOW IT'S ON OUR FACEBOOK PAGE. I'M PRETTY SURE THERE'S SOME YOUTUBE VIDEOS, SOME PROMO VIDEOS OUT THERE. VERY GOOD-LOOKING ACTORS IN THAT VIDEO. WHO DIDN'T HAVE CUE CARDS, AND BOY, DID IT SHOW. IT WAS FUN. YEAH, I KNOW IT WAS FUN. SO ANYWAYS, THAT'S FRIDAY NIGHT. HOPE TO SEE EVERYBODY OUT THERE. I THINK IT'S GOING TO BE A REALLY GOOD TIME. AND OTHERWISE, I HOPE EVERYBODY HAS A GOOD, SAFE WEEK. THANK YOU. I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING. TODAY IS AN ANNIVERSARY FOR ME, THOUGH. IT WAS 38 YEARS AGO TODAY THAT I ENTERED ACTIVE DUTY AS A... PRIVATE E-1 IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY IN 1988. 24 YEARS, TWO MONTHS, 17 DAYS LATER, I RETIRED, AND NOW I'M 14, ALMOST 14 YEARS RETIRED NOW. SO THAT'S PRETTY GOOD, BEING ABLE TO RETIRE WHEN YOU'RE 43. MR. ATTORNEY MAN, YOU GOT ANYTHING? ANYTHING, CITY MANAGER? NO, SIR, NOTHING ELSE. MOTION TO ADJOURN.