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Council, you ready?

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I call the order of the July 26th, 2017 meeting of the Palm Springs City Council, would all please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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Please place your hand over your heart and repeat with me.

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Thank you, you may be seated,

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City Clerk, would you please do the roll call.

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Council Member Cours, Council Member Mills, Council Member Roberts,

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Mayor Pro Temphote, Mayor Moon, all present.

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Thank you.

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Next item, presentations.

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Dr. Reddy, do you have any presentations for this evening?

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Thank you, Mayor.

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I just would like to call your attention to.

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Kel trans had a press conference this week on pedestrian safety and they're having a campaign

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that they are proceeding with to help educate the public about being careful with pedestrians.

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and people being hit. And here's a picture of the press conference that they had at City Hall obviously and

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obviously there's some council members of Chief is there. And if we could look at the next couple of slides.

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The next slide please. There's billboards that are going up. You can see the next slide please.

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Suffice it to say they were billboards. Maybe you've seen them. The billboards are there there there.

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So, we've got a couple of them basically bicycles don't come with bumpers, pedestrians don't come with airbags, and there's a series of these billboards that are around

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the city, basically, Alpscane drivers to be extra careful with pedestrians.

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And I thought that was important to highlight Mayor and members of the council that were at that press conference may want to make a comment as well.

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Thank you.

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Okay, thank you, Dr. Reddy.

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The next item is acceptance the agenda.

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The city council at this time will discuss the order of the agenda to amend the order

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at urgency items.

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Notable extensions or no votes on consent calendar items and request consent calendar items.

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But you're moving from discussion.

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I would like to entertain a motion for acceptance the agenda.

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Are there any items in the council member would like to remove from the consent.

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I would like to know what was amended.

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So we can decide with the motion.

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No, I know, but what was it amended?

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City Clerk, do you want to summarize the amendments to the agenda?

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Yes, sir. What was amended was under item 3b. We changed the language under item

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number 2, adding a resolution.

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Previously, we had asked that $30,000 be allocated from

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fund balance to the election account.

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We now have a resolution addressing that.

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3C, same thing.

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The next amendment was the addition of item 4A, update from the City Council budget and finance

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standing committee, subcommittee,

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plus the addition of item 3D.

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Establishing procedures for filing written arguments regarding two city measures at the November

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7th, 2017 General Municipal Election,

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that concludes the addition slash amendments to the agenda.

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And Mayor, I also would like to note that item 5B, I'm requesting to be removed from

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the agenda this evening, there's some additional information that Council members had asked

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and the consultant who had done the study, the report on that needed to make some modifications.

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And so we'll bring that back get a future council meeting.

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Okay, thank you.

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I'm going to slide them five.

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Yeah, that was five B.

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Five B is the most.

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Okay, that's on the Virgin Hotel.

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Correct.

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Yes.

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I'd like that call.

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I'm going to read that paragraph.

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What's that?

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Chinese tells me that.

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I don't read that yet.

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Oh, we have.

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Yeah, I want to know what.

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I'd like to entertain a motion for acceptance of the agenda.

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Are there any items any council member would like to remove from the consent calendar for

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for discussion and or vote now yes yes or now one one f and one i

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fills one f and one i

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And I...

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We'll be abstaining on one eve.

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Mayor Protempo to do you mean the record to reflect that you're

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refusing on that item or abstaining? We're accusing based on a conflict of interest.

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Yes. And the nature is a real estate interest. Is that correct? Correct. I'm sorry.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Governor, of course, any items?

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Got some rubbers? No, Mayor, the agenda looks perfect.

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Great. Thank you.

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Do we have a motion to accept the agenda as amended with the following

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items pooled from the consent calendar item 1-HEP and some moved 1-I and Mayor Potem will be

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recusing yourself an item 1-E.

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Motion has been made by Council Member Robert.

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Second, we have a second.

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Second of by Council Member Cores.

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All in favour?

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Seeing none opposed, the agenda is accepted.

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As amended.

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Next item is Public testimony.

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Non-Public hearing agenda items only.

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I'm sorry, skip down.

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So, the attorney report of closed session.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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Members of the Council.

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The Council did meet in convene in closed session at 4 p.m.

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Prior to adjourning to closed session.

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The Council did vote.

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Presumed to government code section five five five four nine five four

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point two subdivision B subsection two to add a single

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matter to the closed session agenda.

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A closed session item was in fact considered.

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On Riverside County Superior Court case, PSC-160-2065, the name of that case, is City of Palm Springs versus Desert Wellness.

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That is, of course, a pending existing litigation pursuant to five, four, nine, five, six, point, nine, sub-d sub-one.

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I learned today of information from our litigating attorney on that case regarding negotiations that have been underway

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of the necessity for Council direction to our litigators.

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We did consider that matter along with the other matters reflected on the agenda.

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And there's no reportable action that took place in close session on any item.

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I would note for the public that the Council did not consider the two cases of initiation of litigation

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or exposure to litigation reflected on the agenda.

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That concludes my report. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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next item is public testimony. Two minutes will be assigned to each speaker. Reminder

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this is non public hearing agenda items only. Test the money for public hearing so only

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be taken at the time of the hearing. Also general public comments and items that are not

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on the agenda will be held later in the meeting. So with that we will open to public testimony.

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Anyone who wishes to speak if you haven't turned a card into the city clerk please do so.

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Our first speaker is off top.off, followed by Stacey Lewis, then Andrew Hirsch.

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Good evening, Mayor and City Council.

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My name is off top.data and I'm at the Hill to the Palm Springs.

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I'm here this evening on behalf of supporting the signage for the H&M store that is going to be the key anchor store with 15,000 square feet in the new downtown center.

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So here is what I'm proposing, it is critically important that today's business establish

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and maintain their own brand, their own image, and their own signage.

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The simple marketing strategy guides us at the Hilton, just as it guides decisions made

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the leaders of retailers at H&M. H&M is a worldwide retailer with over 3,700 stores in 62

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countries and has been in operations for the last 70 years. Gross sales for 2016 amounted

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22 billion plus, with 148,000 employees.

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Branding consulting firm, Interbrand, ranked H&M as the 20th most global brand,

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and the highest rated retailer.

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H&M store downtown must be allowed to establish store front sign

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with the background lighting.

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The brand consistency is important in a community such as Farms Springs, where we attract so many visitors who may be looking for a familiar brand.

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I would not be surprised if blocking H&M from using its branded lit.

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Sign, pushes this leading retailer to change this mind about joining a local business community.

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The reality is that H&M did not grow to be a leading retailer by changing its brand in

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Our next speaker will be Stacey Lewis, followed by Andrew Hirsch.

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Good evening.

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I'm Stacey Lewis, I'm the owner of Stacey's at Mel Rose Bar in Phoenix.

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I really enjoy coming upon springs last year.

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I decided to want to have a second bar and a second home here.

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In the over 20 weeks in a row that I've been coming upon springs, I've been doing my homework.

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I've spoken with many of the locals as well as local bar and restaurant owners about what's missing in the downtown Palm Springs area.

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I've come to realize that the need for an upscale quiet piano bar is there.

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This has been missed by the locals since the rainbow cactus closed four to five years ago.

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I would really like to preserve this type of single-long piano bar that is rapidly disappearing everywhere.

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Everyone tells me they're very excited to bring something like this back to the community.

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And I'm really excited to be part of Palm Springs.

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Thank you all very much.

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Thank you, Mr. Lewis.

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Next is Andrew Hirsch, followed by Sarah Frith.

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Good evening.

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My name is Andrew Hirsch, and I'm a longtime resident of Palm Springs.

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I urge you not to pass the second reading of the leaf,

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lower ordinance and return it to staff for a much-meated environmental review.

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You will be, as a matter of law, changing energy source of hundreds of pieces of equipment

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and requiring the use of massive quantities of water for that's the only technology I know of

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that can prevent debris from crossing the property line.

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Remember, electricity is not a zero emission source, it's a remote emission source.

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Any first year engineering student can tell you that the most effective use of energy

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is at its primary purpose, in this case the hand held leaf blowers.

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I stood here last month and told you that your endorsement of the Paris climate change agreement

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was utterly meaningless with this action you are increasing carbon dioxide emissions.

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Thank you for proving that I am correct.

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There is nothing administrative about this as your staff report says.

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As I said, you're changing the energy source of a large, large number of pieces of equipment.

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I would thought that a green city would bend over backwards to comply with California's primary

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environmental law called SQL.

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If you do not return it to staff for an environmental view review, I fully expect that you

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will be taken to court on a SQL violation even if I have to do that myself.

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Thank you.

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Thank you Mr. Hirsch, next speaker is Sarah Friff, followed by Robert Van Rue.

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evening. I came to speak about item.

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Can you bring the microphone down please?

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I came to speak about item 1.0.

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But I think it was removed from the agenda, so can I still speak?

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Which item?

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Item 1.1750.

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I'm just making an appeal, having read the staff report,

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and finding myself very confused by the terms of reference back to review this project

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the new to take a broad approach and not try to cut it in corner it into a limited review

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that doesn't allow us to know us, the public to know what grounds we can expect going forward

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because trying to say that you can only look at height, setbacks and parking when the city

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actually did raise the last meeting about it issues of noise and there are also issues of safety

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from them and the project basically will have to be substantially redesigned to meet the height

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requirements and reading the staff report which also seemed to limit what we could do on the

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secret. It just made no sense to me and I think that it's in danger by trying to clip it to

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to make it impossible for us to all know where we stand and what we can do going forward.

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So please make a broad and I'd like to see the historic preservation board review it as well because that's the main thing.

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Thank you for the residents. Thank you. Okay, thank you, Ms. Frith. Next item, next speaker is Robert van Rue, followed by Tom

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Adomel. Good evening, Mayor and council. My name is Robert van Rue and President and co-founder of Palm Springs, safe access. First off, I'd like to congratulate the city staff and subcommittee for medical cannabis for being

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so diligent and working in forward thinking in regards to our cannabis regulations.

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We've been all running a marathon here and you deserve the next month off, but we've

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got a number of issues on tonight's agenda regarding cannabis and all of them are forward

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thinking and in alignment with the state law and I think that each one of you should support

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it.

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The main item 3A and is an urgency ordinance which requires a four-fifths vote.

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It puts us in alignment with other desert cities and really requires all of your support.

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I just again want to thank you to the new city attorney, the experts, the city is hired

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and to our subcommittee for all their diligent work. Thank you.

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Thank you Mr. Van Rue, next speaker is Tom Adomo, followed by at least the middle ten.

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Good evening Mayor, council, staff.

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As the owner of the Fishman Marketing Grill in Palm Springs,

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I know the importance of signage and consistent signage for a business.

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There are five fishermen market and grill throughout the region established and they rely

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independently on recognizable signage to communicate for customers.

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When the city exercise eminent domain on putting up the parking

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structure on the Risto and Indian, it totally blocked the

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Fission of Marketing Group.

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I'm just letting you know, I'm speaking from experience, it really does

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hurt a business, so I'm asking that you really consider when people are

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asking for signage that you cooperate and help, I know that you do work with

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business people at the city. It has been very cooperative with many of the businesses.

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And I know how important you know it is for the city to really help the business people.

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So please don't take away H&M's consistent branding. That's a new business that's

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what's come into town. And I'm just letting you know that they could use all the help

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that they can get from you people. And I thank you very much for the job you're doing.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Dalmo. Next speaker is Lisa Middleton, who will be followed by Jim Cross.

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Mr. Mayor, City Council. My name is Lisa Middleton. I'm speaking on items 3a through 3d.

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I support asking the voters to approve the half-sense sales checks and the proposed marijuana-related taxes.

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The half-cent sales tax replaces an expiring county, half-cent tax.

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But instead of the revenue going to the county as it now does, if approved by the voters, the revenue will go to the city.

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If we do not act, there is every reason to believe the county will act and the revenue will be lost to the city.

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Numerous studies have documented that nearly 70% of sales taxes in Palm Springs are paid by people who do not live in Palm Springs.

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It is only fair that the visitors to our city pay for the cost of the city services that they receive.

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The proposed marijuana taxes also pass the fairness test.

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Recreational marijuana will be subject to the same taxes as medical marijuana.

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The marijuana grows in our city will be taxed at rates consistent with what grows in other cities are taxed.

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Lastly, over the last few weeks I have spent time in the firehouses and on patrol with our firefighters and our police officers.

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We have no higher obligation than to ensure that they have the resources that they need to do the job

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protecting us and our citizens.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Ms. Middleton.

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Next speaker is Jim Cross, so we fall by Robert Stone.

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Good evening Mayor and City Council.

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My comments at this time are in regard to an item that will come before you later this evening with

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downtown developments block B and C signage.

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I hope each of you would opportunity to read the report that has brought us here before

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you tonight.

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It is our understanding that is within the power of this council to hear it.

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So, in a few agree, change the condition of approval. Your report includes a plea from H&M corporate. But please note, even though

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H&M has been the most vocal, this is not solely an H&M position. It is a concern not only for tenants that are already signed up, but for future tenants as well.

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The condition of reverse channel letters only came as a result of a single commissioner making the statement that he preferred reverse or halo lit letters.

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They voted in within minutes the motion carried and approved without discussion.

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I ask you to please imagine for a moment that we're talking about restaurants.

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We are proposing high-end establishments and asking the city to allow French, Italian, south-of-border, Mediterranean.

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You get the picture.

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But during approval, someone says, I really prefer Italian.

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I think we should only approve Italian.

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I know it sounds silly, but it's truly not far from what happened here three weeks ago.

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The point is there is no logic or rationale to this condition, none, other than that it was born out of it being a preferred type of letter.

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In closing, I'd like to state what is in the appeal documents. These are a few bullet items.

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This condition does not appear within the approvals of Block A and B, nor does it exist in the retail or restaurant components of the row into the West.

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Many, if not all of the tenants that have taken space in Block C have already designed their

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facades, Starbucks, Mac, H&M, Tommy Bahamas, all have patterned their designs to what

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was approved in Block A and B and the Rowan.

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Block C, if held to reverse channel letters, this condition gives an unfair advantage to its

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neighbors who have not been held to this condition in any direction of downtown.

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There's also an issue.

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I'm sorry. I was listening. You're not watching the clock. I'm sorry. Your time is up. Thank you. Thank you very much.

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Next speaker is Robert Stone followed by Tim Irkins. Before Robert starts, could could staff notice that we don't have any water up here? Could we get some water? Thank you.

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Mayor Moon, council members. My name is Robert Stone. I'm here to speak on item 5c. I would be speaking on item 5c, but my remarks pertain to both equally.

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These are the hotel common agreements in which the city is agreeing to give back 75% of the

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TOT revenue to the developer for 30 years.

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We need to call these what they are.

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These are kickbacks to a developer.

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No other municipality in the state of California gives up 75% of its transient occupancy taxes

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for 30 years for any project.

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If you would think just like an investor, if an investor were looking at this proposal,

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and an investor-star project that could not stand on its own feet without an infusion of

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$50 million of city funds, it's quite likely that that is a project that maybe shouldn't

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be built.

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I'm a big fan of the Orchetry project.

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I would like to see it built, but this give away of TOT taxes to developers has to stop.

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It is fiscally irresponsible.

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You are right now tonight going to look at finding new ways of generating revenue because

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we have a financial crisis.

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Well, the arc of these covenants is bankruptcy.

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This morning, I filed my papers.

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I'm the first candidate to file their official papers at City Hall

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for the November 7th election facility council.

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Nothing more perfectly encapsulates why I'm running for City Council

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than these wrong-headed transient occupies tax rebates for 30 years.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Stone.

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Next speaker is Tim Erkin's fall by Robert Brugaman.

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Thank you. I'm definitely going to go right off of Robert and start off on 5b and 5c that was, thanks.

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That was just pulled 5b. Regarding the TOT and that I'm still conflicted.

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I've talked about this in all three times and if you would love to go into detail on this so that the rest of us know it,

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are new on council, and we're not part of this,

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while two of you were looking at the numbers

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on quarantine them.

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They kept in 153 rooms, 50 million, 30 years.

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That was 326,798 per room.

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The new church, which I do want built,

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59 rooms, 50 million, again.

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That's $847,000 per room.

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We're looking at for 30 years.

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750 lasts that I know that we're not on discussion on that's 39 rooms 50 million 30 years

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So that was 1.28 million dollars that would have been per room.

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We can't do this we have a pension problem and we're looking for other ways to keep our money in and be economically responsible.

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One thing I would say is can we reinstate parking?

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We're talking about the buzz and making a charging people, but I would like to look at the buzz is great.

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But I think that it's time that again, we're so great. We can charge for parking, and the one thank you for having the one done right behind

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Samy G's. It looks like it's come along nicely after sitting and being really bad, but I can't justify us, given away 30 years and 50 million, 50 million, 50 million and just keep going on this.

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We need to stop and we are bleeding and that's my last words.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Orkun.

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The next speaker is Robert Rubimann, followed by Judy Dirtrak.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council.

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I'm here tonight to talk about what I believe was just some confusion and some wrong-headed

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decisions by the Planning Commission.

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I urge you in the strongest possible terms like you did with Canyon View, very wisely

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in my regard, to overturn the signage plan for Block C.

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If you watched the video, which I did live, I was kind of appalled at the punitive, arbitrary,

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petulant tone of the dialogue by certain commissioners, they basically said, well, we don't really care why your logo doesn't look like that.

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We want it to look like that. That's not an appropriate welcoming thing for an open place like Palm Springs to say.

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What should have happened is there should have been a discussion or a tabling of the measure to learn about the parameters of

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design and how a logo works and how important a logo is to a retailer.

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H&M is a tenant.

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I'm not going to say the W word because all the W vendetta freaks are here tonight to talk about the TOT.

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But the issue is don't penalize H&M don't be inconsistent about block A, B, and C.

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The important point here is that the H&M logo is on buildings globally worldwide and for us to say in our town we want you to redesign it is simply

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Not bright or reasonable or ethical or moral or even good design. It's a terrible idea

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Those buildings A, B and C are meant to be consistent in terms of design in terms of signage.

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Very briefly, I do also want to advocate for the renewal and the extension of the two TOT developments.

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This has been exhaustively argued in front of this council and all five of you voted unanimously for both of these projects.

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There is no reason to give them another not to give them another year to do so.

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You have this council and our planning commission has approved extensions repeatedly.

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sometimes six, seven or eight of them for projects and doing so only once.

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Mr. Romney, please.

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Thank you very much.

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Next speaker is Judy Deer, track followed by Frank Tyson.

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My name is Judy Deer, track.

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I'm a candidate for City Council.

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I'm here on three items, but on the two minute limitation, I'm only going to cover two.

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One is 750 lofts and thank you for calling that back up.

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I did want to say on the neighborhood commercial designation.

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that 95% of that district there in the Bank of America area is built out at neighborhood

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commercial, which does not allow hotels. I hope when you remand this back that's taken

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into consideration. I also ask you not to put limitations on the level of review and allow

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it to be opened up in full. More importantly on the Virgin Hotel, and I agree with Mr.

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stone that we have a project that is under indictment with the developer charge with a

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government code to 90 violation which would deprive him of all of the proceedings and the

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benefits of the project. The change of name on that corporate entity does not solve the problem.

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And more importantly, I did a study of the level at which the city has used your, what

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what he called the subsidy program since 2007.

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And I found that there were close to 18 projects where you were rebading either 50% or 75%

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18 hotels and I did I picked up a study by the city of Los Angeles by PKG and that

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particular study of there were over 20 municipalities in the state of California.

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Palm Springs is the only city to be giving out these rebates to 22 somewhere between

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18 to 22 entities, but your other cities only give them out to one hotel.

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And that is very telling. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Treck. And I speak to Frank Tyson. I would ask, I would like to ask public speakers, you know, that we did change the agenda and the item on the version hotel is no longer on the agenda. So the, the one on the,

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so I would ask you not to address the version hotel directly in these comments, but address that later, because it's not an agenda item.

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more. If you're talking about the other TOT project, that's fine. If you want to

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tie TOT into it, please do not address the Virgin directly. Thank you.

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Mr. Tyson, welcome.

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Of course, we did not know you were going to cancel it. So that's how we came here. Some

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people came all the way from LA. Anyway, we spent hundreds of millions of dollars, while

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the city is facing bankruptcy to meet pension obligations, 100 billion dollars on TOT, as

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heard there are almost 18 to 25 hotels. Now, whereas my hotel

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subsidy, and that of the other 80 small hotels, we face unfair

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competition. Many of the hotels are down 20 percent. We have double

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hotel rooms in town to the vacation rentals because it's about

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3,000 hotel rooms in essence that we have added. I can't speak about

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virtual hotel, but I personally don't like to see any more hotels downtown.

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We already have a very, it's already very dense and certainly we don't need to put more

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money in the Department of the Developer.

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Now, the Orca Tree may be a legitimate exception,

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because it basically is a rehabilitation project.

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It's not, it's a blighted block including a church

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that the developer is going to complete if he do.

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So I think we might have a slightly different orientation there.

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It's been blighted for two decades and if this is not going

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to be restored by somebody who is sensitive,

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we're going to be having that big gaping hole

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in the tennis club in a city forever practically.

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On a different subject, I just want to mention that the people that are talking about the

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sign they have never been to any other quality, town like Santa Barbara, that I'm taking

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a look at Santa Barbara.

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There are all kinds of national concerns that have very tasteful sign, it's that fits

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in the Santa Barbara, and we want things to fit in with the fumps rings.

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Thank you.

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Your time is up.

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Thank you very much.

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Next, Marina Rossi, Rossi, and then followed by Philippe Castaneda.

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Good evening, Mayor Council.

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Thank you for your time.

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My name is Marina Rossi.

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I do own a small hotel in the tennis club district.

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Very close to downtown, as well as the architri.

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My concerns lie with this issue of these TOT tax abatements.

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I believe they skew demand in the eyes of the developer.

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They may make poor decisions based on the abatements rather than the true financials of the project.

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That's very concerning when you're building hundreds of additional hotel rooms.

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What that's going to do when the supply comes online.

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It's going to depress the market for everybody.

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Just simply adding hotel rooms doesn't bring a tourist to town to spend money.

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empty rooms don't do that.

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That is my concern and that goes across the board.

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I don't think anybody should receive those TOT tax abatements.

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Orchetry, Virgin, excuse me, I should say any hotel.

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I believe Judy mentioned almost 25 or 22 different hotels

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are receiving these.

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That's way out of line.

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This is not a blighted city.

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We don't need all these hotel rooms.

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I do believe that there is a demand for some hotel rooms,

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but this is ridiculous.

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And I have a concern over that.

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Although I'd love to see Orchetry built,

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I have various properties in the immediate vicinity within one or two blocks.

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I still don't believe they should receive that.

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If they can't make the project work on its own, they shouldn't do the project.

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And that's my, that's my feelings.

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Thank you for your time.

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Thank you, Mr. Rossi.

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And next speaker is Philippe Castaneda.

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And that will be followed by our last speaker, Joy Brown, Meredith.

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Good evening.

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My name is Philippe Castaneda.

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Los Árvoles, and El Mitasol Hotel in Pansprings.

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Is it possible that in consideration that the majority of the issues with 750 loves are related to...

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The guidelines of the Pants, Pants, Pants, Pants, Historic Site Preservation Board, is a possible that this board be considered in any kind of discussions in the future of this project.

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considering that according to what we've been hearing from the last meetings, the project

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doesn't exist anymore because of the decayed of the PDDs.

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So my question again, Ken, is it possible that the historic site preservation board be included

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and consider for future discussions about this project.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Mr. Castaneta. Next is Joy Brown,

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Mara, followed by Jeff Kalspire.

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Good evening, City Council, City staff,

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citizens of Palm Springs.

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There's so much on the agenda tonight that's super important.

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So in two minutes it's hard to get much of that done.

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So I'm going to be super brief about them.

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I did want to give a lot of things to the City Council

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subcommittee and city staff that worked,

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pulling together what you have tonight for three A and three B

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regarding the canvas ordinances and the tax.

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Having the stakeholder meeting that you provided for us,

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really gave us the opportunity and any you're doing a great job there.

451
00:36:53,330 --> 00:36:54,290
Thank you, sir.

452
00:36:55,390 --> 00:36:57,970
The having that meeting like that and allowing us all

453
00:36:57,970 --> 00:37:02,170
to be able to talk and give our input was really great for us.

454
00:37:02,570 --> 00:37:05,510
And it really helped us all be able to let our opinion out

455
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:07,350
and have an open discussion.

456
00:37:07,850 --> 00:37:10,190
And I am very, very thankful for that.

457
00:37:11,170 --> 00:37:16,170
So I am here tonight because I would like to support 3A and 3B.

458
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:20,830
And then regarding 3C, which is the half percent sales tax,

459
00:37:20,830 --> 00:37:26,990
I'm only here tonight representing myself as owner of Crystal Fantasy and President of Joy of

460
00:37:26,990 --> 00:37:31,630
Life Well in the Center, both businesses, which will be paying the additional sales tax.

461
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:36,690
And just to say that at this time, I would definitely say that I do not oppose this tax.

462
00:37:37,250 --> 00:37:40,970
Now after you have your discussion tonight, and we know exactly what it is, we're going to

463
00:37:40,970 --> 00:37:44,530
bring this through Main Street and to all the merchants to get our feedback on it.

464
00:37:44,790 --> 00:37:50,130
But we really felt it was a little bit premature to try to do that when there's still discussions

465
00:37:50,130 --> 00:37:55,410
going on about it. So we're going to wait until you make your decisions tonight, but as it stands

466
00:37:55,410 --> 00:38:01,430
right now, I think that most people are in favor of it because we always want to support our

467
00:38:01,430 --> 00:38:08,650
police and fire and all of these other things. So I just want to let you know that I support those

468
00:38:08,650 --> 00:38:13,270
three, and I thank you all for all of your work, and Dr. Reddy, as well. Thank you very much.

469
00:38:13,750 --> 00:38:17,970
Thank you, Ms. Meredith. Next speaker is Jeff Kelchheimer, followed by Jake Jessen.

470
00:38:22,580 --> 00:38:26,220
Mr. Justin, we'll be our last speaker, any more cards?

471
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,000
So you're correct, okay.

472
00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:27,860
Thank you.

473
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,380
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, Council, and City staff.

474
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,400
My name is Jeff Kellsheimer, I'm president with Palm Springs Firefighters Association.

475
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:43,660
And tonight, I just wanted to ask for Council to consider placing this at least onto the ballot

476
00:38:43,660 --> 00:38:44,240
for November.

477
00:38:45,020 --> 00:38:48,060
I know there's still a lot of things to talk about and discuss,

478
00:38:50,420 --> 00:38:51,340
and there's a few things

479
00:38:51,340 --> 00:38:56,240
it we know for sure. We've had lots of discussions over the last couple of years about increasing

480
00:38:56,240 --> 00:39:01,580
staffing on both the fire department and the department side. You guys have been very open

481
00:39:01,580 --> 00:39:07,300
with us and we've got some great conversations. But at the end of the day we're still trying

482
00:39:07,300 --> 00:39:13,720
to figure out this budget constraints and issues. We also know there's been issues with the increase

483
00:39:15,140 --> 00:39:19,060
and employee contributions. We have the calipers and we're trying to work through that with you

484
00:39:19,060 --> 00:39:27,120
as well. And at the end of the day, I hope we can look at getting this past and we got to convince

485
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:34,780
our community to do that. It's ultimately up to them. I just don't want to see us have to

486
00:39:34,780 --> 00:39:39,880
go through cuts again, having been through and live through the fire department, seeing stations

487
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,840
close, losing police officers. I just don't want to go back down that route. And we appreciate

488
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:49,000
you guys in reaching out to us and having some conversations. I know you guys are doing

489
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:57,900
best. And so we definitely appreciate that. So for us to get behind this measure, and I know

490
00:39:57,900 --> 00:39:59,880
people have issues in concerns.

491
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,060
About where this money will actually go, and we've had these discussions with you. And if we can ultimately increase firefighters to the streets, increase officers to the streets, which is also going to allow us to get some other departments, because we know our other departments in the city are hurting as well. Everyone's kind of running a little thin right now. We're trying to recover back. So I think for us, it's very easy to get behind this because ultimately that's going to benefit our community, it's going to benefit our citizens.

492
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,440
and ultimately want what's best for them.

493
00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:34,180
And thank you, Mr. Kilshimer.

494
00:40:34,460 --> 00:40:34,960
That's up.

495
00:40:35,580 --> 00:40:36,420
Thank you very much.

496
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,800
Our last speaker will be Jake Jessen.

497
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,880
I feel that it's speaker card to address item 5C,

498
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,220
but I can wait until that item comes up.

499
00:40:53,500 --> 00:40:55,500
It wasn't for the town for public comment.

500
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,280
I was just here fulfilling an incumbent card

501
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,540
to address the council we needed for that item

502
00:41:02,540 --> 00:41:03,760
on behalf of the applicant.

503
00:41:05,540 --> 00:41:05,680
OK.

504
00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:06,620
All right.

505
00:41:06,700 --> 00:41:07,140
Well, thank you.

506
00:41:07,140 --> 00:41:09,960
If we have any questions for you, we'll know you're in the audience.

507
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:11,620
Have any, no other speakers?

508
00:41:12,060 --> 00:41:12,800
City Clerk?

509
00:41:13,860 --> 00:41:17,380
Seeing none, we will close this portion of the public testimony.

510
00:41:18,060 --> 00:41:21,100
The next item is City Council, City Council,

511
00:41:21,140 --> 00:41:24,000
Subcommittee and City Manager's comments and reports.

512
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:24,720
Doug, are you ready?

513
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:25,900
Do you have any comments?

514
00:41:27,540 --> 00:41:28,340
Not at this time.

515
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,100
Thank you, Mayor.

516
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:30,220
Any other comments?

517
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,700
Councillor Roberts?

518
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:34,040
Mayor, bear with me.

519
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:36,220
I have two subcommittee reports.

520
00:41:36,220 --> 00:41:37,260
and a few comments.

521
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:43,260
First, I want to say that the downtown landscape

522
00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:45,900
and downtown construction subcommittee

523
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:50,580
met and we continue to look at different elements

524
00:41:50,580 --> 00:41:55,340
of what's going in for landscape and fencing

525
00:41:55,340 --> 00:41:56,980
and all sorts of things on that.

526
00:41:57,500 --> 00:42:01,280
But the thing of note is that the developer has

527
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:13,020
ask to work directly with our downtown park architect on filling in the empty lock that's

528
00:42:13,020 --> 00:42:21,140
actually a pit that's almost the same size as the park just to the south of it. And this is

529
00:42:21,140 --> 00:42:29,010
great because we will have some continuity between these two parcels and so it couldn't it couldn't

530
00:42:29,010 --> 00:42:36,450
any better for that. I've put in a call to the, to Mark Rios, who is our landscape architect

531
00:42:36,450 --> 00:42:41,910
for that, to start to put that together, but that will be a great thing for us in the city

532
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:46,090
to have the developer working, obviously, with the same architect that we're working with

533
00:42:46,090 --> 00:42:55,450
in our downtown park. The Indian Canyon 2-way plan, subcommittee, Matt, and I just wanted

534
00:42:55,450 --> 00:43:01,450
to tell you and express to the community that our engineering department has done a fantastic

535
00:43:01,450 --> 00:43:07,790
job of coming up with some ideas of making Indian Canyon a two-way street all the way and

536
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:12,610
we will be bringing that back to the council I believe is early as

537
00:43:14,970 --> 00:43:15,870
September 6.

538
00:43:16,350 --> 00:43:21,190
Okay well, no actually it'll probably be the second meeting in September but as quickly as

539
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:23,530
the second week in September so we can get that rolling.

540
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:40,670
And I think that it's going to be a really interesting thing, because one of the major things that we were looking at was how do we transform Indian into two way?

541
00:43:41,330 --> 00:43:48,370
It's okay until you get to where Indian and Palm Canyon meet at the south end.

542
00:43:48,370 --> 00:43:52,010
And that we thought was going to be a real issue for us.

543
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:59,910
And the staff has come up with a great idea that I think that the public will really

544
00:43:59,910 --> 00:44:05,750
like on a kind of a roundabout by the Sun Center.

545
00:44:06,570 --> 00:44:11,150
And so I think that was one of the most exciting things that came out of the meeting for me.

546
00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:17,250
So stay tuned for that because that will make a whole change in our traffic patterns.

547
00:44:17,250 --> 00:44:27,310
And also, J.R. and I feel that it will also make a difference in the development of Indian as a commercial street.

548
00:44:28,570 --> 00:44:29,670
Thank you, Mayor Boatim.

549
00:44:29,830 --> 00:44:33,630
We'll be bringing that back in the second week of September.

550
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:36,350
I now want to make just a few quick comments.

551
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:43,370
We have some speakers coming up, spreading some very, well, unfortunately misinformation about things.

552
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:46,650
I want to clarify first that the city is not facing bankruptcy.

553
00:44:47,970 --> 00:44:49,170
That was kind of shocking.

554
00:44:49,450 --> 00:44:59,950
And the second thing that came up was that we had a speaker to say that no other cities in California are doing incentive programs for hotels, which is absolutely...

555
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,100
True, the city of Los Angeles is not only doing an incentive programs for hotels, but the city offers up to a hundred percent.

556
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:23,760
The city of Los Angeles can offer up to a hundred percent of TOT rebates as well as allowing for the hotel itself to benefit from the massive signage programs that they can do in terms of renting space on their buildings.

557
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,360
So I just wanted to clarify those two things.

558
00:45:26,420 --> 00:45:28,360
And the other thing I wanted to say is,

559
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,240
although the Virgin Hotel isn't before us tonight,

560
00:45:32,420 --> 00:45:35,660
and we've asked for that to come back with more information.

561
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,220
I just want to say for the record,

562
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,140
that I fully support the Virgin Hotel coming to Palm Springs.

563
00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:42,920
We need that brand.

564
00:45:43,060 --> 00:45:44,220
We need that quality.

565
00:45:44,660 --> 00:45:47,380
As we continue to be an international brand,

566
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,460
we need to have the quality of an international brand.

567
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,160
People want to beat up the incentive program.

568
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:58,740
One of the other pieces of misinformation is that the incentive program still exists.

569
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:00,340
It does not.

570
00:46:00,500 --> 00:46:03,980
The incentive program for the hotels is gone.

571
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:04,800
It ended.

572
00:46:05,620 --> 00:46:08,100
Prior to the incentive program being enacted,

573
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:14,460
the City of Palm Springs had not seen a new start in a hotel in over 30 years.

574
00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:21,500
The incentive program was created to stimulate new hotel building in Palm Springs.

575
00:46:21,500 --> 00:46:24,920
we were in the pits of an economic hole.

576
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:26,520
We are out of it.

577
00:46:26,820 --> 00:46:27,200
It is true.

578
00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:30,020
We no longer need incentives to build new hotels,

579
00:46:30,560 --> 00:46:33,440
but without that incentive, we would not have gotten

580
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,440
any of these new hotels.

581
00:46:35,660 --> 00:46:38,680
Again, for 30 years, nobody was coming with a proposal.

582
00:46:39,340 --> 00:46:42,780
So all we are looking at when we are now talking again

583
00:46:42,780 --> 00:46:47,580
about the incentives is simply extending the time period

584
00:46:47,580 --> 00:46:55,840
to start, though, to tell for those that have already applied and been given and allowed to use

585
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,400
the incentive.

586
00:46:56,860 --> 00:46:59,860
We're not opening up or giving anybody new incentives.

587
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,720
We're simply not taking it away from those that applied for it and received it.

588
00:47:05,460 --> 00:47:11,120
So, I'm sorry to be so strong about this, but the misinformation starts to drive me crazy

589
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,590
after a while, and people come up here in our area of fabric about it and I do feel it's

590
00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:22,250
do these sometimes to correct that. So, may I, I'm, I'm done. Okay, may I, I'm a

591
00:47:22,250 --> 00:47:26,810
council, council member of course? No, where to start? I have a couple of

592
00:47:26,810 --> 00:47:32,050
comments on that, so I'll start there and just two other short things. I do want to

593
00:47:32,050 --> 00:47:36,870
follow up on one point, which is, with the exception of four or five of the

594
00:47:36,870 --> 00:47:41,390
hotels, they're not new hotels. They're renovations. And so it's important

595
00:47:41,390 --> 00:47:48,390
people understand how this works. If a hotel uses its own money to renovate an upgrade.

596
00:47:49,410 --> 00:47:55,490
Only in that situation, no, city dollars. And as a result, they're able to charge more.

597
00:47:55,770 --> 00:48:01,390
And they get more TOT than what they were giving before. We then split the additional TOT with

598
00:48:01,930 --> 00:48:06,970
them. So they get some of their investment back through that money that wouldn't have existed

599
00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:12,010
otherwise, and we get 50% of the increase, money, which wouldn't have existed, otherwise.

600
00:48:12,730 --> 00:48:14,170
That's how it helps our budget.

601
00:48:14,610 --> 00:48:19,050
Not to mention, refurbishing our hotel stock, which wasn't happening, getting more

602
00:48:19,050 --> 00:48:22,350
tourists here, which spend more money, which generates sales tax and helps all of our

603
00:48:22,350 --> 00:48:23,190
local businesses.

604
00:48:23,970 --> 00:48:29,370
So to say that those are somehow giveaways, well, that money wouldn't exist.

605
00:48:29,550 --> 00:48:31,770
We would not be getting anything on those renovations.

606
00:48:31,770 --> 00:48:38,150
So that's a win, a win, a win, and that one I just don't understand.

607
00:48:38,530 --> 00:48:44,010
As far as the, for New Hotel incentives, we're not doing that anymore.

608
00:48:44,110 --> 00:48:49,310
The question is, unexisting projects who did a little more time.

609
00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:56,030
And the reason, and I, one of the people who requested that we didn't look at the virgin

610
00:48:56,030 --> 00:49:04,150
tonight is I think we need a much different or additional economic study before we make that

611
00:49:04,150 --> 00:49:04,510
decision.

612
00:49:04,690 --> 00:49:09,670
I think the public needs to understand what the economic pros or cons might be and we need

613
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:10,710
to understand it.

614
00:49:11,010 --> 00:49:15,610
And I want to make the decision on such an important project because it's part of the downtown

615
00:49:15,610 --> 00:49:20,130
project that is a public-private partnership, I think we need that data.

616
00:49:20,610 --> 00:49:24,570
That said, I'm really hopeful that we get this virgin bill.

617
00:49:24,830 --> 00:49:26,710
Virgin would be a great brand for our city.

618
00:49:27,230 --> 00:49:30,750
It's going to be a great thing to have, but I want to make sure we have the necessary

619
00:49:30,750 --> 00:49:37,170
data to make the appropriate findings to make this move forward and that's the reason we're

620
00:49:37,170 --> 00:49:38,030
not doing it tonight.

621
00:49:39,210 --> 00:49:47,410
Two other things I just want to touch on quickly is on September of last year, I brought forward

622
00:49:47,410 --> 00:49:53,350
resolution we did to celebrate Native American Day. And we talked about wanting to do a celebration.

623
00:49:53,690 --> 00:49:59,990
And I've been working with a tribe and a member of the School of Word. And we have been meeting and meeting.

624
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,340
And really thrilled that on November 18th, we're going to have our first annual Native American learning day with a tribe.

625
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,980
And it's going to be a joint project of the tribe, the city, and the Palm Springs Unified School District.

626
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:16,080
It'll be on the grounds of the high school. They'll be culture and demonstrations and movies and shopping.

627
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:20,200
And we'll have more about that later, but I just wanted to let people know the date ahead of time.

628
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:27,880
And it's a real great opportunity for us to work with a tribe and share the culture of our community and the children and our community, where they live.

629
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:34,500
The second thing I just wanted to comment on is, a month or two ago, with a lot of public testimony,

630
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,900
we designated a home on Marito, historic.

631
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,800
And we heard a lot about how it's just going to fall apart and rot.

632
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:47,980
In part, because it was designated historic, it is sold, it is closed to a couple who is so

633
00:50:47,980 --> 00:50:53,720
excited to renovate the historic home, appreciative that they get a tax break for doing it.

634
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:57,380
And after being on the market for a long time and not selling, it's sold.

635
00:50:57,380 --> 00:51:03,380
So I just want to share I think some good news is a result of a decision we made that turned into a win-win for everyone

636
00:51:03,380 --> 00:51:07,360
So thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Mayor Potem. Yeah

637
00:51:08,620 --> 00:51:20,360
I just want to I I'm glad you did all that I are because I made myself a whole page and notes here people come up to this mic and and and it's it's so unfair to the citizens of this

638
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:27,280
city when people come up and make blanket statements that have no basis in fact, because the

639
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:31,120
people sitting at home don't necessarily know that there's no basis in fact.

640
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:39,100
We are not a city that's in bankruptcy, we are not a blighted city, we have a balanced

641
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:47,280
budget, we have huge amounts in our reserves, and what we're trying to do is we're trying

642
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:54,080
pay off a state debt, a debt that the state created for this city, not a debt that this

643
00:51:54,080 --> 00:52:01,220
city created and that's who our pensions. And so people have to understand that that the

644
00:52:01,220 --> 00:52:09,120
city is financially sound and well-run. And in our, we used to lose, and when Mr. Mills and I

645
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:15,140
before, long before this council, when we first did the incentive program, we had a hotel next

646
00:52:15,140 --> 00:52:19,760
to the Convention Center, that if you checked into that hotel, you'd have to be afraid that

647
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,480
the bathroom upstairs didn't leak into your room.

648
00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:27,760
It was a terrible, blighted hotel, and so we lost all sorts of conventions.

649
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:36,280
Now, today, because of this, we have a brand new basic hotel, basically a brand new hotel,

650
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:43,520
next to the Convention Center, that is improved our convention business, the rehabilitation

651
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:52,980
of the hotels in this city, through this plan has made not only our current stock, each

652
00:52:52,980 --> 00:52:58,320
look at each other and say, I need to upgrade my hotel, and it's some of the smaller hotels

653
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:04,820
that need to look at that, because a lot of the hotels upgraded without this plan, but

654
00:53:04,820 --> 00:53:09,020
because these were such large hotels, they needed some assistance.

655
00:53:09,020 --> 00:53:16,880
And so we are making more money because of what we did not make less money and it's

656
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:22,460
amazing to me that people don't understand that and put out all of that misinformation.

657
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:30,000
So usually it's at this time we give reports on subcommittees and outside committees that

658
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:38,900
we belong to that's a report on all the work that we do and on the commission and the things

659
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:44,820
that we belong to. We belong to council members all go to CVEC committees, county committees,

660
00:53:45,500 --> 00:53:51,900
commissions, state committees, and about 40 or 50 other council committees. I've sat on

661
00:53:51,900 --> 00:53:58,600
this council for 14 years and I estimate that during that 14 years I have probably attended

662
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:06,040
well over 1600 meetings on behalf of the city. Anyone who believes that this public service position

663
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:13,500
is glamorous and part-time and easy to make judgments from the floor just has to look at

664
00:54:13,500 --> 00:54:20,320
our schedules or look at these books that take up our entire weekend studying and our

665
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:29,160
weeks reviewing and our weeks trying to get more information or talk to our spouses about

666
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:34,260
the law's weekends and the dinners studying these books.

667
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:44,480
And so, after much consultation, after much thought and consultation with Pamela, my spouse

668
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:52,200
of 30 years, overcoming the arguments of those who have been so loyal and offered encouragement

669
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:58,080
throughout my tenure on the Council, I am made the decision not to seek another term on

670
00:54:58,080 --> 00:54:59,960
Council. I look back.

671
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:08,180
Back, and these 14 years with pride, a definite sense of accomplishment and, of course, with some sadness.

672
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:16,360
I take pride in my accomplishments, while I will talk about nauseating detail at the December

673
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:27,940
meeting, which will be the end of my term. I'll talk about the great things that you and

674
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:34,860
anxiousness that I feel as there is so much yet to do and I'm leaving it all on the shoulders

675
00:55:34,860 --> 00:55:41,300
of my fellow council members. And I would be remiss if I didn't also mention that in all

676
00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:48,920
of the 14 years on this council have been the only woman. Although I have great respect for my fellow

677
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:55,600
male council members, I have served with and not just this council, but the other councils. There's

678
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:02,100
no denying that many times a woman's point of view is a different point of view and I think

679
00:56:02,100 --> 00:56:03,520
you've seen that all.

680
00:56:04,240 --> 00:56:11,260
So I want everyone to know that I will be doing everything in my power between now and November

681
00:56:11,260 --> 00:56:15,040
to make sure a woman gets elected to this council in November.

682
00:56:15,700 --> 00:56:22,600
I said that because there are first time I've seen this incredibly qualified women who have

683
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:26,980
clear their candidacy that I know will do an excellent work on the council.

684
00:56:27,620 --> 00:56:32,600
As a matter of fact tomorrow, I'll be endorsing two of those women, one of them is here tonight.

685
00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:36,540
And I'm very proud to do that.

686
00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:41,860
I know that there are some qualified candidates of the other gender running,

687
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:48,420
but it's important to me as a lone woman that there be women on this council.

688
00:56:48,420 --> 00:56:52,800
prior to my being on this council, they were two women on this council.

689
00:56:54,220 --> 00:57:00,180
And I think that the loss of having a woman's point of view would be tremendous for the city.

690
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:06,100
And with that, I look forward to continuing as a productive member of this council until December.

691
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:09,720
And after that, as an involved citizen.

692
00:57:10,380 --> 00:57:11,380
So thank you, Mr. Mayor.

693
00:57:11,420 --> 00:57:14,280
My fellow council members for indulging me on this.

694
00:57:17,980 --> 00:57:20,960
Mayor Perkown, I think you forgot one order of business.

695
00:57:21,340 --> 00:57:22,420
No, not yet.

696
00:57:22,740 --> 00:57:23,480
I hope we got it.

697
00:57:23,780 --> 00:57:24,360
Councilor Mills?

698
00:57:26,220 --> 00:57:26,880
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

699
00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:40,100
First, I'd also like to voice my support for the for on the Virgin hotel.

700
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:55,760
It was a, I see it as an amazing part of what our downtown is going to be in the next few years and an integral part.

701
00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:04,520
I think you've heard from the other council members of how important it is and how important that specific brand is.

702
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:13,280
But so I truly support that as well, and look forward to it coming back to us when it comes back.

703
00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:20,620
I'd like to add that when that product comes back to us, that project comes back to us,

704
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:32,300
that we have a development agreement in place with the, with the, with the,

705
00:58:33,820 --> 00:58:38,300
the process of that hotel going forward.

706
00:58:42,300 --> 00:58:44,400
The other thing that I'd like to mention,

707
00:58:44,580 --> 00:58:47,160
and you've heard different opinions

708
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:52,520
and voices about what the hotel incentive program

709
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,720
has done for this city.

710
00:58:55,340 --> 00:58:58,260
And Ms. Ford, Mr. Coors, Mr. Roberts,

711
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,080
spelled it out very, very well.

712
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:12,060
The thing that spells it out most for me is that in 2007, the TOT, this city was $9 million.

713
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:18,200
This past year, 10 years later, the TOT is $29 million.

714
00:59:19,180 --> 00:59:22,740
That is what the hotel and senate program is about.

715
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:24,560
That's what is done.

716
00:59:24,940 --> 00:59:27,300
That's what the goal was from the very start.

717
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:34,380
along with improving our stock and allowing and assisting new hotels to be built in our city

718
00:59:34,380 --> 00:59:38,220
when nowhere else in the state where new hotels being built.

719
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:47,080
So it bothers me as much as it does everyone else to have to sit up here, meeting after meeting

720
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:56,920
and here that amazingly successful program be little by people who don't understand it or don't

721
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:58,580
one, I don't understand it.

722
00:59:59,600 --> 00:59:59,960
Second.

723
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:28,400
Of all, I've set here for 16 years and 10 years prior to that on plan and commission and nine years prior to that on architectural review and various other blue ribbon committees and such over the over the years and an eye along with Ms. Folk will not be seeking reelection in November.

724
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:46,360
It is not an easy decision, it is, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, but it's, um, um, it's the,

725
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:59,980
it's the, it's the

726
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:07,420
I've been very, very happy with the, with the, with the 16 years that I have, have, have

727
01:01:07,420 --> 01:01:08,260
spanned here.

728
01:01:08,340 --> 01:01:13,300
Ms. Foten, I have become very good friends over the years, and before we wouldn't

729
01:01:13,300 --> 01:01:22,040
say next to each other, so, but, but, but I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I certainly,

730
01:01:26,980 --> 01:01:27,360
I certainly,

731
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:32,380
I'm going to miss service to the city and the current way I have done it.

732
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:34,500
There are other ways to do it.

733
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:40,700
And I had a discussion earlier about about a possibility.

734
01:01:42,380 --> 01:01:50,420
But it is, I think, it's important that in order to move your city forward, you know,

735
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:52,640
you need to know where has been in the past.

736
01:01:52,980 --> 01:01:54,820
And unfortunately, I'm kind of the past.

737
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:08,400
So, again, as Ms. Faust stated, that she will have a long little discussion in the first

738
01:02:08,400 --> 01:02:10,900
weekend December, I also will have that.

739
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:17,900
And so, for warning you ahead of time, you may not want to attend that meeting, but,

740
01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:21,860
but,

741
01:02:21,860 --> 01:02:28,700
able to serve the city of Palm Springs for the four years that I had four terms that I had

742
01:02:28,700 --> 01:02:41,520
had sat here and along with that, and probably a real important part of that to me and

743
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:53,780
I'm thankful for and appreciate is that for all four of the terms that I ran,

744
01:02:56,420 --> 01:02:57,660
I was endorsed

745
01:02:57,660 --> 01:03:09,690
by police, fire, and city employees and I think that is, excuse me, I'm really emotional

746
01:03:09,690 --> 01:03:10,130
there.

747
01:03:10,430 --> 01:03:12,230
It's tough when you get old and I get emotional.

748
01:03:13,370 --> 01:03:22,550
But that has been very important to me and I want to thank all those employees for those

749
01:03:22,550 --> 01:03:28,650
endorsements over the years and you're going to have to pick somebody else's time.

750
01:03:29,210 --> 01:03:29,930
Thank you.

751
01:03:29,970 --> 01:03:30,250
Thank you.

752
01:03:30,270 --> 01:03:30,610
Thank you, Mayor.

753
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:40,040
I usually save my comments to last and let my other council member speak first of it.

754
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:41,100
This is why this is a hard act.

755
01:03:41,120 --> 01:03:42,040
This is a hard to follow.

756
01:03:42,760 --> 01:04:12,020
I just, one thing, Councilman Recourse said, and he and I are on the Finance Committee together, and as people throughout this council have said, the city is in good financial shape, and one thing that the Finance Committee recommended to the council, which we are doing, is we know this challenge is coming down the road on the pension, so instead of waiting until it's down that we're down the road, we are putting money away every year. That's why we're making cuts. We're not making cuts this year and next year, because we can't pay that year's bills.

757
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:16,440
We're putting money into a savings account so we can pay what we know is coming down the road.

758
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:22,580
So I think we're showing pretty good fiscal responsibility on doing that and not just waiting until it's too late.

759
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:30,400
I also wanted to add, which I wasn't expecting to say that I'm really personally stepping into this seat as

760
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,080
and one of the new kids on the block was tough.

761
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:39,020
And I remember, you know, I've watched these two council members for years and I have so much respect for them.

762
01:04:39,020 --> 01:04:59,900
I so appreciate the guidance they've given me numerous times in City Hall they've told me hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, they've given me course corrections show we say and although I've always agreed with them and everything I was tremendous respect and admiration and appreciation for both of them and I know miss vote particularly I remember 15 years ago

763
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:08,500
campaign manager invited me to her, one of her first fundraisers and I, she was the first candidate, 15 years ago that I ever wrote a thousand-dollar check to her campaign.

764
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:14,340
So I think that was a very good investment. So thank you both for, no, it's not bad.

765
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:25,120
But thank you very much to both of you for all the, and also if you remember back a year and a half ago when I was sitting up here the first few meetings in Jenny was next to me, I was constantly going to, Jenny, Jenny, what do I do now?

766
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,780
So, thank you for all the help you've given sitting next to me over the last year and a half.

767
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:33,180
I did forget one very important thing.

768
01:05:33,380 --> 01:05:41,520
Besides the fact that I also want to see the Virgin very badly in this town, but I also wanted to let everyone know.

769
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:51,800
And I can't start this because I don't have that ability, but whoever has that ability if we have anyone in the audience who has a singing ability.

770
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:59,260
I really would like us to sing happy birthday to our city manager, so if somebody could start that for me

771
01:05:59,620 --> 01:06:08,140
I would really appreciate that because you don't want me to start it, but maybe cheap rails could come in and start that for us

772
01:06:08,140 --> 01:06:18,860
Okay, I'll leave it ready one two three happy birthday to you happy birthday

773
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:37,690
And that's a happy birthday to a city manager who is delivered balanced budgets for the last 17 years.

774
01:06:37,910 --> 01:06:38,590
Thank you, sir.

775
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:44,080
Okay, well moving right along.

776
01:06:44,320 --> 01:06:52,340
I will entertain a motion to accept the consent calendar without items one F and one I and Mayor Protemp.

777
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,820
Vote will be recusing yourself on item one E.

778
01:06:55,820 --> 01:06:58,040
So moved.

779
01:06:58,100 --> 01:06:59,880
Motion's been made in second and all in favor.

780
01:07:00,340 --> 01:07:01,040
Any opposed?

781
01:07:01,620 --> 01:07:02,160
Seeing none opposed?

782
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,080
The motion passes.

783
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:05,020
Okay.

784
01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:06,520
I had a first item.

785
01:07:06,680 --> 01:07:07,660
I had that was pulled.

786
01:07:08,260 --> 01:07:09,380
Item one.

787
01:07:11,140 --> 01:07:13,760
Second reading and adoption of ordinance number 1932.

788
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:17,480
Adding and amending the Palm Springs Municipal Code regarding loud, unusual noises

789
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:20,460
and landscape related businesses prohibiting gasoline power,

790
01:07:29,980 --> 01:07:49,780
I would like to ask to have this pulled for a separate vote, and then also to ask the majority of the council if they would, if they would think of

791
01:07:49,780 --> 01:07:54,960
excluding golf courses from that ordinance.

792
01:07:55,940 --> 01:07:59,380
It's a bit of an unfair advantage in that.

793
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:04,940
Some golf courses in the city will will be using leaf

794
01:08:04,940 --> 01:08:08,780
lower, no matter what this ordinance reflects.

795
01:08:09,660 --> 01:08:17,330
And that for the limited disturbances, and et cetera,

796
01:08:17,950 --> 01:08:19,730
from that could be created by that,

797
01:08:19,730 --> 01:08:26,770
I think it would be, and we heard that when we heard it before, we heard some requests for

798
01:08:26,770 --> 01:08:27,250
that abstention.

799
01:08:27,670 --> 01:08:32,710
But I know Mr. Mayor asked him information as well that he'd like to share on that.

800
01:08:33,070 --> 01:08:35,170
I'm checked in.

801
01:08:35,170 --> 01:08:39,410
I know Indian Wells is band leaf blowers, but they do allow the gasoline-parleaf blowers

802
01:08:39,410 --> 01:08:44,910
on their golf courses, because of the golf courses there's a large and they're out there

803
01:08:44,910 --> 01:08:48,830
and it's hard for them to slip around the batteries, and they certainly aren't going

804
01:08:48,830 --> 01:08:53,270
on the power cord. So I believe that there is precedent for

805
01:08:53,270 --> 01:08:56,870
exempting the golf courses and also is Mayor, because

806
01:08:56,870 --> 01:09:01,970
Councillor Miller-Milson, some of the golf courses that are owned by the tribe would

807
01:09:01,970 --> 01:09:07,190
be exempt from this and our city golf courses and probably own golf courses that are not

808
01:09:07,190 --> 01:09:11,110
on tribal land would be required to do it. So it makes us somewhat of an uneven playing field.

809
01:09:11,530 --> 01:09:17,130
Mr. Mayor, I apologize for interjecting during Council discussion of Council Member Mills,

810
01:09:18,170 --> 01:09:29,110
I'd like to apprise you that since this would be a substantive change to the ordinance as it was introduced you're perfectly welcome to accept that motion to make that amendment

811
01:09:29,110 --> 01:09:35,150
But that will make this a first reading another reintroduction and we will come back and we will

812
01:09:35,790 --> 01:09:44,130
Actually adopt this ordinance at your first meeting in September the reason that may not be a big deal is that it's not effective till January of 2019 anyway

813
01:09:44,130 --> 01:09:51,450
The problem is you have the exchange that's scheduled for August 11th and I see that

814
01:09:51,450 --> 01:09:56,610
Council Member Cores was ready to depart on that because that is a big deal for the

815
01:09:56,610 --> 01:09:59,950
various providers of landscaping services in the kitchen.

816
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,480
So, I apologize that I don't have the capacity to let you make that amendment and have it be a second reading.

817
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:16,800
I recognize that, however, I don't think if we were to have a second, if we were to alter this, change it and then may have a second reading when we come back.

818
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:20,180
That would not stop people from going and going ahead and doing the transition.

819
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:28,920
What I'd prefer for you to do if you're inclined to take this action is to direct staff to come back with an exemption in September,

820
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:41,560
rather than doing it at this juncture, and we can certainly oblige that, and again, I don't think that will impact any of the golf courses because the ban is not going to go into effect immediately, so that would be my recommended course of action.

821
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:48,680
That's fine if people would think about it over the break, and then we could address it again in the fall, yes?

822
01:10:49,220 --> 01:10:51,680
If you're going to bring something back on that,

823
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,040
maybe we can get a little more information on other cities,

824
01:10:56,740 --> 01:10:59,000
as well, since we didn't get the stuff from the golf course

825
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,220
associations till sort of that night,

826
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:03,380
if you're going to bring it back,

827
01:11:04,060 --> 01:11:06,400
I'd be interested in getting information.

828
01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:09,380
We certainly wouldn't present it to you without some background,

829
01:11:09,980 --> 01:11:12,080
and your points taken, and it's in my night.

830
01:11:12,220 --> 01:11:13,600
We'll bring back some stuff on that night.

831
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:18,480
I appreciate the enforceability on tribal land,

832
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:21,280
But if that was sort of a criteria, we wouldn't do anything.

833
01:11:21,580 --> 01:11:23,580
No, I'm just saying that with law forces is not quite fair.

834
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:26,720
Well, I would just like to say,

835
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:29,460
there's a follow-up of Councilman Coors,

836
01:11:30,100 --> 01:11:31,460
beyond what other cities are doing.

837
01:11:31,660 --> 01:11:36,800
I'd like to know how many golf courses we have in the city

838
01:11:37,580 --> 01:11:39,100
that would be exempt.

839
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,520
So essentially, I'd like to get a real quantity or quantify

840
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:44,400
what that means.

841
01:11:44,500 --> 01:11:47,380
How many blowers are we going to keep working?

842
01:11:47,380 --> 01:11:53,520
And I guess we would probably define that through how many golf courses we have, what is considered

843
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:57,880
golf course and what isn't, I think there's going to be a lot of definition in that.

844
01:11:58,260 --> 01:12:01,600
I don't, Dr. Radice Stacey isn't here at a night issue.

845
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:07,720
So, I know there's been exhaustive research done in this and Stacey might already have a lot

846
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:16,100
of this information, but I understand your request, councilman Mills, but I think for me it

847
01:12:16,100 --> 01:12:21,320
depends on what kind of a loophole this is going to end up really being. Are we going to

848
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:26,140
really make any difference in doing this, if we let those through. So I'm willing to look

849
01:12:26,140 --> 01:12:34,200
at it, but I too want more information. May I put my preference would be to vote and pass

850
01:12:34,200 --> 01:12:40,640
this this evening. And then if there is further information, we can then amend this ordinance.

851
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:51,720
And so I, when we get to this, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would, I would move, I would move the item.

852
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:52,520
I'll second.

853
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:54,060
Oh, yeah.

854
01:12:54,060 --> 01:12:57,160
I have no, I have no objection to addressing it in September to you, Councilman Mills.

855
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:58,160
And that's fine.

856
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,580
You have to people time to think about it.

857
01:13:00,740 --> 01:13:00,980
Okay.

858
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:02,720
Would you do a voice vote, please?

859
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:03,320
I'm a city clerk?

860
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:04,480
Yes, sir.

861
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:05,420
Council member, of course.

862
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:07,160
Council member Mills.

863
01:13:08,160 --> 01:13:09,000
Council member Roberts?

864
01:13:09,380 --> 01:13:09,620
Yes.

865
01:13:09,620 --> 01:13:18,740
Mayor Pro Temphote. Yes. Mayor Moon. No. This was adopted with a 3-2 vote.

866
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:25,440
Council number Mills and Mayor Moon, voting no. Okay, thank you very much. Next item item one eye.

867
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:30,100
A resolution of the City Council of the City of Palm Springs, California acknowledging compliance with

868
01:13:30,100 --> 01:13:36,220
RIT of mandate regarding planned development district, PDD 374, the 750 loss project, located

869
01:13:36,220 --> 01:13:39,040
at 715 North Palm Canyon Drive and ordering reconsideration

870
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:40,420
by the Architectural Advisory Committee

871
01:13:40,420 --> 01:13:44,300
in the Planning Commission case number 5.1350PDD,

872
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:46,800
et cetera, et cetera, to address three project issues,

873
01:13:46,840 --> 01:13:50,440
including parking, building height, and setback.

874
01:13:50,440 --> 01:13:51,940
Mayor, Councillor Miller Mills.

875
01:13:52,780 --> 01:13:56,280
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, I pulled it strictly for separate vote.

876
01:13:58,360 --> 01:13:59,980
I was going to pull it, but here we did.

877
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:01,320
I did have a question.

878
01:14:02,780 --> 01:14:05,940
In referring it back to Planning AC,

879
01:14:05,940 --> 01:14:07,180
And we sort of discussed the issues.

880
01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:11,000
One of the things we discussed was, and it might not have been in the motion.

881
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,760
So I want to raise it now, as this is in a historic district.

882
01:14:14,620 --> 01:14:17,820
And so we had conditions from HSPB.

883
01:14:17,980 --> 01:14:21,880
So those that the city prior to the council had reversed.

884
01:14:22,020 --> 01:14:25,060
So those part of what goes back to planning AC or not.

885
01:14:25,100 --> 01:14:28,640
Because if not, I would want HSPB to look at any new project

886
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:29,840
in the historic district.

887
01:14:30,140 --> 01:14:34,540
I assume any significant changes would need to go back to HSPB automatically.

888
01:14:34,540 --> 01:14:42,700
The status of the project is exactly what it is, which is to say the Council voted to rescind the PDD,

889
01:14:42,700 --> 01:14:49,540
the Council voted to rescind the conditional use permits to them and the major architectural.

890
01:14:50,380 --> 01:14:59,140
The direction was to send it back to planning and AAC for purposes of height and setback and the parking issue vis-à-vis the event space.

891
01:14:59,140 --> 01:14:59,960
if you would

892
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:13,160
We should go back to HSPB. It certainly can. That's not inappropriate. And the council can give that direction. This is just a resolution. And I can make that amendment to the resolution at the direction of a council majority.

893
01:15:16,190 --> 01:15:25,950
What I think should happen is if it doesn't meet the criteria HSPB, if it's set for the project, then it should go back. If it doesn't meet it, it shouldn't.

894
01:15:25,950 --> 01:15:29,590
The Council is getting a different, it'll be a different project, right?

895
01:15:29,810 --> 01:15:36,990
Well, the Council's conditions ultimately approved in the PDD were stricken, so those are gone.

896
01:15:37,090 --> 01:15:43,570
Those are gone to the extent that HSPB conditions were integrated in that document, those are gone.

897
01:15:43,850 --> 01:15:45,970
Same would apply for CUP and I apologize.

898
01:15:46,570 --> 01:15:51,730
I'd be a liar if I told you I had every condition of every one of those approvals memorized, committed to memory, or otherwise.

899
01:15:51,730 --> 01:15:58,370
It would be appropriate and reasonable if you're concerned about the HSPB conditions to refer

900
01:15:58,370 --> 01:16:06,730
to HSPB because absent that referral, there will be only the HSPB conditions that came out

901
01:16:06,730 --> 01:16:07,490
of HSPB.

902
01:16:07,690 --> 01:16:13,750
I will also state if this project actually moves forward and if this project actually proceeds

903
01:16:13,750 --> 01:16:18,070
through planning and AAC, the Council would have the discretion to add back those conditions

904
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:21,590
if it wanted to, regardless of whether HSPB hears it or not.

905
01:16:21,970 --> 01:16:27,370
So you haven't lost any of your power with respect to this project, and if it makes its

906
01:16:27,370 --> 01:16:32,170
way back to the council at some point in time, you can add those if you're concerned about

907
01:16:32,170 --> 01:16:33,050
having lost them.

908
01:16:33,150 --> 01:16:37,790
If you think further HSPB consideration would assist the council, you can certainly refer

909
01:16:37,790 --> 01:16:38,670
it there.

910
01:16:39,330 --> 01:16:40,430
I think that was a yes.

911
01:16:40,750 --> 01:16:41,450
For me, but go ahead.

912
01:16:41,710 --> 01:16:44,930
Well, you know, we rescinded it.

913
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:45,890
We killed it.

914
01:16:45,890 --> 01:16:46,210
Right.

915
01:16:46,210 --> 01:16:52,570
It's no longer hotel, it's back to a bank that looks like it fell in Mosul.

916
01:16:53,850 --> 01:17:00,970
So what I would want to suggest is we have no reason yet to believe that it needs to go to HSPD.

917
01:17:01,430 --> 01:17:06,790
HSPD has a very specific charge and right now we have zero project.

918
01:17:07,230 --> 01:17:14,210
So what I would like it to do is go through once they bring back a new project and it goes through AC and planning,

919
01:17:14,210 --> 01:17:18,910
And we can then determine if it needs to go through HSBB, but right now we don't have anything

920
01:17:18,910 --> 01:17:20,110
to send.

921
01:17:21,450 --> 01:17:25,530
We know it will have to go through planning as a new project, it will have to go through

922
01:17:25,530 --> 01:17:28,630
AC and Blany Commission, but we don't know about anything else.

923
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:35,990
So you know, let's work, my take on this is, let's not worry about it until, you know, let's

924
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:37,550
not worry about something that hasn't happened yet.

925
01:17:37,630 --> 01:17:40,110
Let's see the project that comes forward first.

926
01:17:40,510 --> 01:17:43,770
It may not have any need whatsoever to go before HSBBB.

927
01:17:43,770 --> 01:17:46,070
that may not even be a hotel anymore.

928
01:17:46,890 --> 01:17:48,310
But whether or not it's a hotel,

929
01:17:49,150 --> 01:17:51,790
whatever any new project that would be built

930
01:17:51,790 --> 01:17:53,730
in the historic district would have to go

931
01:17:53,730 --> 01:17:54,630
to HSPP, correct?

932
01:17:57,070 --> 01:17:59,110
If it was a new project coming forward.

933
01:17:59,190 --> 01:18:00,550
And that's what this is, isn't it?

934
01:18:00,670 --> 01:18:02,650
Absolutely, well, no, it's not.

935
01:18:04,330 --> 01:18:07,510
Realistically speaking, the council has the full benefit

936
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:09,290
of an HSPP proceeding.

937
01:18:09,970 --> 01:18:13,770
HSPP did, in fact, address and approve conditions of approval

938
01:18:13,770 --> 01:18:19,790
to the extent that those conditions related to the height, the setback, or the parking

939
01:18:19,790 --> 01:18:24,010
issue for the event space, they would be moved to the extent that there anything else

940
01:18:24,010 --> 01:18:28,850
they would still remain valid for the Council's consideration and imposition if, again,

941
01:18:28,990 --> 01:18:32,390
this project makes its way back to the Council and the hypothetical sense.

942
01:18:33,690 --> 01:18:40,470
So, I would just head developer to go through a whole process with planning and AAC and

943
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:42,970
So to hold a bunch of money, bring it back to us

944
01:18:42,970 --> 01:18:47,090
without direction regarding the fact

945
01:18:47,090 --> 01:18:48,130
that's in a historic district.

946
01:18:48,690 --> 01:18:49,830
And if there are three of you who

947
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:51,830
want to go to HSPB, it's certainly shell.

948
01:18:52,510 --> 01:18:54,730
So that would be what my motion would be

949
01:18:54,730 --> 01:18:56,630
that it goes back to HSPB a

950
01:19:01,750 --> 01:19:02,070
second.

951
01:19:02,370 --> 01:19:03,310
Now, I'll second it.

952
01:19:04,770 --> 01:19:06,810
I think actually, HSPB should look at it again.

953
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:08,750
And better to go ahead and improve it now

954
01:19:08,750 --> 01:19:11,970
than wait till later and have to revamp the whole thing.

955
01:19:12,370 --> 01:19:15,570
But that's sort of a theoretical point right now.

956
01:19:15,570 --> 01:19:17,750
but was covered with the theoretical?

957
01:19:18,390 --> 01:19:19,830
I will add it to the resolution.

958
01:19:20,170 --> 01:19:21,910
There's no problem if that's the majority.

959
01:19:22,190 --> 01:19:23,570
We haven't voted yet.

960
01:19:24,350 --> 01:19:28,830
So your motion is to approve this with that amendment.

961
01:19:32,300 --> 01:19:35,340
I'd like to note for the record before you take a vote that

962
01:19:35,340 --> 01:19:38,900
because some documents were inadvertently not included

963
01:19:38,900 --> 01:19:42,020
in the mayor's pro-tams agenda packet.

964
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,060
She's asked me what's the appropriate course of action.

965
01:19:45,060 --> 01:19:52,020
this happens to be one of the one H and one I were not in her agenda packet so she's going to be

966
01:19:52,020 --> 01:20:00,000
abstaining on this vote with respect to one I and I would encourage and direct the city clerk to change

967
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:12,320
Each her vote on one h as it was taken with the rest of the consent calendar to an abstention, not a no vote, but an abstention, because, again, she didn't have the benefit of the staff report being in her packet.

968
01:20:12,740 --> 01:20:14,520
Okay, city clerk, can you so note, please?

969
01:20:14,620 --> 01:20:17,140
Yes. I think she's got it. I know where she works.

970
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,920
Okay, measure one eye is on the floor of the first and a second.

971
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:24,040
I'm sorry,

972
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:29,200
I'm sorry.

973
01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:29,460
I'm sorry.

974
01:20:29,460 --> 01:20:29,480
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

975
01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:29,740
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

976
01:20:29,740 --> 01:20:31,320
to be voting to modify the resolution.

977
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,420
So this is votes for the modifying the resolution

978
01:20:34,420 --> 01:20:36,520
to include HSVB.

979
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:37,460
Yes, sir.

980
01:20:38,980 --> 01:20:39,240
OK.

981
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:42,740
Senator Clerk, please do a roll call vote.

982
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:43,720
Yes, sir.

983
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:44,900
Council member, of course.

984
01:20:46,100 --> 01:20:46,560
Council member Mills?

985
01:20:48,040 --> 01:20:48,840
Council member Roberts?

986
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:50,800
No.

987
01:20:52,860 --> 01:20:54,260
Council member, I'm excuse me.

988
01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:55,360
Mayor, Prote him, vote.

989
01:20:56,280 --> 01:20:56,880
Thank you.

990
01:20:57,160 --> 01:20:57,620
Mayor Moon?

991
01:20:57,760 --> 01:20:58,020
Yes.

992
01:20:59,060 --> 01:20:59,580
Approved.

993
01:21:01,540 --> 01:21:12,300
No, there's a two vote the motion does not pass it does not prevail if the council wishes to take action on the resolution as it's stated that would be an appropriate motion at this time.

994
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:18,420
Okay, I'll make a motion for the rest of the we vote on resolution as it's printed right here.

995
01:21:18,420 --> 01:21:19,960
We have a first all second.

996
01:21:20,580 --> 01:21:22,820
Questions been made in seconded.

997
01:21:22,980 --> 01:21:26,040
Council member, city clerk please do a roll call vote.

998
01:21:28,020 --> 01:21:28,760
Council member, of course.

999
01:21:34,620 --> 01:21:37,880
It'll come back and we'll get a staff report to Mayor Protemphote.

1000
01:21:38,760 --> 01:21:39,920
Let's go back in September.

1001
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:41,380
Excuse me.

1002
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:47,820
I do have a question on this because aren't we now voting on exactly what was in our packet the last time?

1003
01:21:48,520 --> 01:21:54,560
You're voting to formalize the direction that you gave to the council for all the reasons we stated it last time.

1004
01:21:54,560 --> 01:22:10,140
Right. And so that I did study and that I did vote on. So if there's, if there's, you know, if this is not a new direction, then there was no new direction within the staff report, then I certainly feel like I could vote on that.

1005
01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:12,600
Well, there was no changes.

1006
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:21,640
That's essentially true. This document and this agenda item were not placed before you with the intention of doing anything new,

1007
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,560
strictly to formalize the council direction.

1008
01:22:24,260 --> 01:22:28,940
And it's a resolution, basically following through on the direction you gave last time.

1009
01:22:29,820 --> 01:22:31,140
That's exactly what this is.

1010
01:22:31,220 --> 01:22:33,760
If you feel comfortable voting on the matter, I've had.

1011
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:39,280
And there was no changes that I would have had to study from what I saw the last time.

1012
01:22:39,560 --> 01:22:40,780
That's certainly accurate.

1013
01:22:41,340 --> 01:22:45,780
So let me ask the question then, on the last item, which I raised,

1014
01:22:47,420 --> 01:22:50,640
was new, so whether she had an or packet or not several of it.

1015
01:22:51,220 --> 01:22:53,280
So she is able to vote on that.

1016
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:58,120
If she feels comfortable, if she feels comfortable participating in the matter, the appropriate

1017
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:03,300
parliamentary procedure at this point in time would be for one of the motion makers or

1018
01:23:03,300 --> 01:23:08,820
seconders to make a motion for reconsideration of the matter in light of this.

1019
01:23:09,140 --> 01:23:10,260
But that's totally new.

1020
01:23:10,340 --> 01:23:14,320
So there was nothing that she would have known ahead of time or any of us.

1021
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:16,220
I didn't even know I was going to do this.

1022
01:23:16,660 --> 01:23:17,280
Mr. Coerce.

1023
01:23:17,680 --> 01:23:17,720
Yes.

1024
01:23:18,140 --> 01:23:18,380
No.

1025
01:23:18,760 --> 01:23:19,000
Okay.

1026
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:25,380
Mr. Mayor, there's, I think there's a motion in a second on that.

1027
01:23:25,380 --> 01:23:30,340
Yeah, one last question, and the problem is the last question, at least my last question.

1028
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,500
We really need to do this, this has already been sent back to the court.

1029
01:23:34,860 --> 01:23:35,360
It has.

1030
01:23:35,740 --> 01:23:39,820
We've filed our return and purred the terms of the return.

1031
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:45,260
We have 180 days to take action before we go back to court and tell the court, well, this

1032
01:23:45,260 --> 01:23:46,600
is what's happened in the interim.

1033
01:23:47,260 --> 01:23:47,400
Okay.

1034
01:23:48,220 --> 01:23:51,280
All right, motion is on the floor, I'm going to say the clerk.

1035
01:23:52,380 --> 01:23:56,960
The motion on the floor is to approve the resolution as presented.

1036
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,480
As presented, yes.

1037
01:23:59,620 --> 01:24:01,740
Council member Courses.

1038
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:03,640
Yes.

1039
01:24:04,520 --> 01:24:05,500
Council member Mills.

1040
01:24:07,550 --> 01:24:08,370
Council member Roberts.

1041
01:24:09,190 --> 01:24:10,990
Let me think about this.

1042
01:24:12,990 --> 01:24:14,110
Mayor Potempho.

1043
01:24:14,370 --> 01:24:14,670
Yes.

1044
01:24:15,650 --> 01:24:16,070
Mayor Moon.

1045
01:24:16,250 --> 01:24:16,490
Yes.

1046
01:24:17,170 --> 01:24:22,630
approved, four, one, zero, noting the no vote of Councilmember Mills.

1047
01:24:24,130 --> 01:24:26,770
Okay, thank you very much for-

1048
01:24:26,770 --> 01:24:28,650
Mr. Mayor, for a perfectly clear record.

1049
01:24:28,890 --> 01:24:33,710
Mayor Protem's votes abstention on one-H will remain.

1050
01:24:34,510 --> 01:24:36,370
Right, and she is accused on item one-E.

1051
01:24:36,850 --> 01:24:37,410
Correct again.

1052
01:24:37,870 --> 01:24:39,670
Okay, next item, ready to move on?

1053
01:24:39,850 --> 01:24:40,330
I'm going to burn.

1054
01:24:40,750 --> 01:24:41,650
Everybody ready to move on?

1055
01:24:42,070 --> 01:24:42,970
Okay, public hearings.

1056
01:24:43,130 --> 01:24:44,610
Item two, a request for Councilmember,

1057
01:24:44,610 --> 01:24:59,830
Council Member review pursuant to Palm Springs Zoning Code Section 94.10.00 of an action by the planning commission to approve a request by Woodbridge specific group on behalf of our EFDC camera on for an amendment to allow minor changes to design color materials.

1058
01:25:00,050 --> 01:25:12,450
Reduction of massing in heights in certain units of the previously approved final PDD plans for the camera on project located at 850990 cell palm canyon drive. Do we have a staff report on this please?

1059
01:25:13,030 --> 01:25:25,170
Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council. Thank you. I'll be brief. On June 28, the planning commission reviewed and approved an amendment to a final plan development district for the camera and project.

1060
01:25:25,170 --> 01:25:30,550
as noted on page two of your staff report, that minor amendment addressed reduction of

1061
01:25:30,550 --> 01:25:35,890
massing a selected units, reduction of heights in certain units, change of building materials,

1062
01:25:36,130 --> 01:25:41,630
a new color palette, and new garage door treatments. The planning commission did approve

1063
01:25:41,630 --> 01:25:49,010
that minor amendment to the final PD, and in accordance with the city's codes for council

1064
01:25:49,010 --> 01:25:55,190
call up Council Member Cores requested that the item be brought to you tonight for your consideration.

1065
01:25:55,970 --> 01:26:01,190
Thus the Planning Commission's action has been set aside pending your action tonight.

1066
01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:03,170
This is a public hearing.

1067
01:26:03,650 --> 01:26:07,330
It was a public hearing before the Planning Commission, and so this item will be considered

1068
01:26:07,330 --> 01:26:08,210
a public hearing.

1069
01:26:08,530 --> 01:26:14,590
We'd recommend that you open the public hearing and take testimony, and then at the wishes

1070
01:26:14,590 --> 01:26:17,330
of the Council take action as you deem appropriate.

1071
01:26:17,330 --> 01:26:25,350
In your yellow folder, there is a PowerPoint presentation which gives an overview of the

1072
01:26:25,350 --> 01:26:29,750
amended final PD that was reviewed and approved by the Planning Commission as well as

1073
01:26:29,750 --> 01:26:32,990
in your packet or the full architectural drawings for those changes.

1074
01:26:33,490 --> 01:26:34,270
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1075
01:26:34,710 --> 01:26:35,530
Thank you, Mr. Four.

1076
01:26:35,710 --> 01:26:38,190
Now, any questions or staff before we open the public hearing?

1077
01:26:38,730 --> 01:26:39,530
Yes, I do.

1078
01:26:41,330 --> 01:26:41,730
Some markets.

1079
01:26:41,810 --> 01:26:47,250
Can you just briefly explain how the gates work on this project and also why this is still

1080
01:26:47,250 --> 01:26:49,450
valid given the timelines.

1081
01:26:50,510 --> 01:26:52,530
I now have that information, so I understand it.

1082
01:26:52,810 --> 01:26:54,830
I have heard from several members in the community.

1083
01:26:55,650 --> 01:26:57,510
So if you can explain that, that would be appreciated.

1084
01:26:58,650 --> 01:26:58,810
Certainly.

1085
01:27:02,110 --> 01:27:06,010
In your yellow folder, the PowerPoint presentation,

1086
01:27:06,150 --> 01:27:10,330
if I could have the PowerPoints brought up,

1087
01:27:20,870 --> 01:27:26,010
if you have your printout on page 1, 2, 3, 4,

1088
01:27:26,630 --> 01:27:31,050
There's a site plan that identifies the locations of the gates.

1089
01:27:36,930 --> 01:27:40,490
There's one emergency gate off of random road.

1090
01:27:40,990 --> 01:27:42,270
Thank you, and there's the slide.

1091
01:27:42,630 --> 01:27:45,050
And then there's two main access gates.

1092
01:27:45,690 --> 01:27:49,510
And the point of the, in the context of this project,

1093
01:27:49,570 --> 01:27:53,430
the point of the gates was to separate the commercial portion

1094
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:56,550
of the project from the residential project.

1095
01:27:56,550 --> 01:28:03,990
And so, that's the layout of the site, the approved site plan with the gated entrances.

1096
01:28:04,970 --> 01:28:13,110
We also did provide in your yellow packet the timeline for this project, which is included.

1097
01:28:13,870 --> 01:28:19,270
And this was one of those projects that was approved originally in 2006 and in the depths

1098
01:28:19,270 --> 01:28:20,170
of the recession.

1099
01:28:20,170 --> 01:28:27,190
the tentative map was automatically extended, concurrent with that though the planned development

1100
01:28:27,190 --> 01:28:34,650
district needed to be extended by separate actions of the city, which did occur from 2008

1101
01:28:34,650 --> 01:28:36,210
through 2015.

1102
01:28:38,610 --> 01:28:43,030
Throughout that time, the original entitlements in the original project as it was approved

1103
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:53,470
remain valid. Most recently in December of 2015 there was a prior amendment to the project

1104
01:28:53,470 --> 01:28:59,750
that added roof decks to some of the residential units and then most recently last month

1105
01:28:59,750 --> 01:29:01,570
was the latest amendment.

1106
01:29:02,850 --> 01:29:04,110
Great, thank you.

1107
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:10,530
Or any other questions or staff, or we open public comments? Okay, seeing none, we will open

1108
01:29:10,530 --> 01:29:15,030
public comments. It's time. The applicant has the applicant has up to five minutes

1109
01:29:15,030 --> 01:29:18,690
to present their case and if requested we'll have two minutes available at the end of

1110
01:29:18,690 --> 01:29:23,970
40 buttle. Members of the public are invited to speak. This public caring for up to two

1111
01:29:23,970 --> 01:29:28,710
minutes. With that, applicant, they have five minutes.

1112
01:29:28,950 --> 01:29:36,810
Thank you. First of all, I'd like to thank Mayor Protam and Councilman, member, Chris Mills

1113
01:29:36,810 --> 01:29:41,970
on their service. We've been involved in the city for four years working on projects and then

1114
01:29:41,970 --> 01:29:49,590
anticipate being involved in more to come and I've always found you to be fair and very

1115
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:55,490
constructive and going forward with our projects and making recommendations. So I can graduate

1116
01:29:55,490 --> 01:29:59,950
like you, we're making a decision and I say congratulations because I assume it's it's

1117
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:01,040
That's best for you.

1118
01:30:03,460 --> 01:30:10,200
This project, as Marcus explained, was approved in 2006.

1119
01:30:12,980 --> 01:30:14,660
It changed ownership.

1120
01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:26,470
And we recently, at Woodbridge Pacific Group, have been brought in to replace a prior developer to manage the project for the current owner, which is

1121
01:30:26,470 --> 01:30:33,190
capital, and we are proceeding down that path, and we are proceeding to get ready to do the

1122
01:30:33,190 --> 01:30:40,050
improvements on Palm Canyon. We're in Mesquite and as part of getting the project started,

1123
01:30:40,630 --> 01:30:46,230
we wanted to go back through and change some of the architectural elements, predominantly color,

1124
01:30:46,670 --> 01:30:51,690
some floor plan issues, some massing issues, and through that process actually reduced the height

1125
01:30:51,690 --> 01:30:52,570
some of the buildings,

1126
01:30:54,910 --> 01:30:57,770
the color palettes are light, fresh.

1127
01:30:58,690 --> 01:31:05,650
You know, we did several focus groups as part of our sky project on the offer

1128
01:31:05,650 --> 01:31:10,610
alone, and out of those focus groups that became apparent that the market really

1129
01:31:10,610 --> 01:31:14,330
preferred a lighter palette, a wider palette, and our project that we designed

1130
01:31:14,330 --> 01:31:19,290
over there is very light and fresh looking, and then when we got involved in this project,

1131
01:31:19,290 --> 01:31:23,410
We looked at the kind of the heavy green and mustard yellow and other

1132
01:31:23,410 --> 01:31:25,390
some of the other colors that were currently involved.

1133
01:31:26,630 --> 01:31:30,890
As part of this project, and said we need to change that and bring it up to speed.

1134
01:31:31,170 --> 01:31:33,250
Since it's about 11 years old, when that was done.

1135
01:31:34,170 --> 01:31:36,930
So we did that and we took it through AC and planning commission.

1136
01:31:37,130 --> 01:31:38,250
We got glowing reviews.

1137
01:31:39,630 --> 01:31:43,430
We got unanimous decisions in favor of the changes.

1138
01:31:43,430 --> 01:31:47,710
And we're very happy with the outcome of that process.

1139
01:31:49,210 --> 01:31:56,390
My understanding now is that this was brought up predominantly because of the gates that are involved within the project.

1140
01:31:57,330 --> 01:32:00,710
And this project is a little bit different than a normal project.

1141
01:32:00,990 --> 01:32:06,990
And as Mark has said, there's a commercial element along South Palm Canyon.

1142
01:32:06,990 --> 01:32:11,810
And there's a main street that comes in off of Palm Canyon and Swing South and goes down to Mesquite.

1143
01:32:12,590 --> 01:32:39,910
And with that comes a certain amount of traffic and outside traffic and cars and people that are coming to the commercial center and then you've got two access points into the residential portion, which is a townhouse project, and that those access points go into what I'll call an alleyway where you go down the road to the alleyway and you've got garages.

1144
01:32:41,470 --> 01:32:47,230
on either side and it's a fairly tight condition and I think it's important for the

1145
01:32:47,230 --> 01:32:53,670
people that own those homes that there's not traffic from the commercial area, whether

1146
01:32:53,670 --> 01:32:59,750
it would be a vehicular traffic in particular that goes back into those areas and causes

1147
01:32:59,750 --> 01:33:03,450
congestion and looking for additional parking and that type of thing.

1148
01:33:04,170 --> 01:33:07,950
So the gates are there to separate the commercial from the residential.

1149
01:33:08,950 --> 01:33:15,590
There is pedestrian access into the community, but the gates are specifically for to keep

1150
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:22,230
the commercial traffic from seeking parking or other, you know, why are there reason they

1151
01:33:22,230 --> 01:33:28,550
want to drive down an alley of garages? I don't know why, but so that's the point of the gates.

1152
01:33:29,890 --> 01:33:36,290
This project has over $1.8 million of money invested in it. In infrastructure, sewer, water, storm

1153
01:33:36,290 --> 01:33:42,930
and grading, curbing gutter on reliance of the project that's there, which does include

1154
01:33:42,930 --> 01:33:43,450
gates.

1155
01:33:45,370 --> 01:33:54,610
And if it is the pleasure of the council that they would approve the architectural changes

1156
01:33:54,610 --> 01:34:01,910
or made, which were unanimously approved by PC and AAC, but then maybe want to remove

1157
01:34:01,910 --> 01:34:09,130
of the gates, then I know the ownership would want to step back and think about that.

1158
01:34:10,030 --> 01:34:19,810
And so we may, after this discussion, want to continue this so that we have some better

1159
01:34:19,810 --> 01:34:26,930
understanding as to what the impact of possible losing the gates or revert back to the architecture

1160
01:34:26,930 --> 01:34:31,290
that's already approved and withdraw the request for the amendment.

1161
01:34:35,140 --> 01:34:39,940
I don't think I have anything else to say and I'd be certainly willing to speak after the public testimony.

1162
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:40,840
Thank you.

1163
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:41,360
Thank you very much.

1164
01:34:41,480 --> 01:34:46,360
You will have two minutes at the end for we but all few wish and also thank you for being available for questions.

1165
01:34:47,260 --> 01:34:48,440
We will now take public speakers.

1166
01:34:49,260 --> 01:34:51,060
One person is requested to speak.

1167
01:34:51,260 --> 01:34:51,820
Judy, do you track?

1168
01:35:05,700 --> 01:35:10,980
And I apologize, is this on Woodbridge? I just walked in.

1169
01:35:10,980 --> 01:35:16,240
Yes. First of all, my name is Judy Deer Track. I am a candidate for city council.

1170
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:22,800
And I want to make a comment on the rebuttal that was given on earlier testimony by the city council.

1171
01:35:23,300 --> 01:35:27,860
I think it's deeply, I'm sorry, I'm, yeah.

1172
01:35:30,050 --> 01:35:34,770
When we get up and speak at this podium, I think anybody tested for me.

1173
01:35:35,330 --> 01:35:38,810
They'll be a period later on when you can speak on anything you'd like.

1174
01:35:38,830 --> 01:35:43,530
This is very much on subject because I don't want it to happen at the end of what I say right now.

1175
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:46,390
So this is part of my two-minute testimony.

1176
01:35:48,510 --> 01:35:52,430
It's just asking the basic respect that when we get up and talk to you for two minutes,

1177
01:35:52,950 --> 01:35:54,970
that that is respected for what it is.

1178
01:35:55,470 --> 01:35:58,670
I think it's very wrong and I would never do it to another person.

1179
01:35:59,410 --> 01:36:02,350
And I'm asking with respect to the end of my wood.

1180
01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:03,670
I'm sorry.

1181
01:36:03,670 --> 01:36:10,570
I know you're resisting me on this, but you have got to only address this public hearing item or please sit down.

1182
01:36:11,330 --> 01:36:11,510
Thank you.

1183
01:36:11,870 --> 01:36:15,730
You're more than welcome to address anything you wish and the comments.

1184
01:36:15,790 --> 01:36:18,310
I'm sorry, but you're speaking through my time.

1185
01:36:20,090 --> 01:36:25,030
Well, you're wasting our time by speaking on a subject, which is not on the floor right now.

1186
01:36:25,590 --> 01:36:27,170
You have 52, 51 seconds left.

1187
01:36:27,310 --> 01:36:27,970
You'd like to go.

1188
01:36:28,550 --> 01:36:30,870
I don't think it would do any good to be truthful.

1189
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:32,790
I think it's gotten to a point, but I wouldn't.

1190
01:36:32,910 --> 01:36:38,090
But I will say for the general public, that on the Woodbridge project, and this

1191
01:36:38,090 --> 01:36:44,870
is has to do with the general plan, that project was reserved as a mixed-use district for

1192
01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:49,730
that community, for the neighborhood around it, and the tourism that is going to occur at

1193
01:36:49,730 --> 01:36:51,110
the end of the CV link.

1194
01:36:51,850 --> 01:36:57,410
And it was converted to single-family residential and your town homes instead.

1195
01:36:58,530 --> 01:37:03,070
We just had a recent study where I found out that about 85% of the planning decisions

1196
01:37:03,070 --> 01:37:09,710
made over the last 10 to 12 years are not either following a general plan, a specific plan

1197
01:37:09,710 --> 01:37:12,870
or the ordinances, and this is another instance of it.

1198
01:37:12,930 --> 01:37:13,790
Thank you very much.

1199
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:14,810
Thank you Mr. Trek.

1200
01:37:15,670 --> 01:37:17,050
Next speaker will be Frank Tyson.

1201
01:37:24,750 --> 01:37:25,610
Can you hear me?

1202
01:37:25,910 --> 01:37:26,190
Yes.

1203
01:37:26,450 --> 01:37:26,670
Okay.

1204
01:37:26,670 --> 01:37:32,990
I want to make it clear that I'm not against the woodwitch development.

1205
01:37:33,350 --> 01:37:38,590
I actually testified on the behalf and it is a sky project, but I've been very much concerned

1206
01:37:38,590 --> 01:37:43,130
about maintaining the character of Palm Springs and what concerns me about this project

1207
01:37:43,130 --> 01:37:55,570
that it's 11 year old PDD, which, of course, is all the pitfalls of the PDD and very

1208
01:37:55,570 --> 01:38:04,110
this point that we should start also looking, and this may be the time to do it, at Bill

1209
01:38:04,110 --> 01:38:05,510
overbuilding residential.

1210
01:38:05,970 --> 01:38:11,290
We have in the last six months approved something like $6,000 to $2,000 residential units.

1211
01:38:13,050 --> 01:38:17,890
And, you know, many years ago, half a century ago, I was chairman of the Landris Committee

1212
01:38:17,890 --> 01:38:21,970
of the State Environmental Quality Study Council pointed by Governor Reagan and we looked

1213
01:38:21,970 --> 01:38:29,990
that is, and it was very clear that houses don't help the financial safety of this financial

1214
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:35,830
viability of the city, because the property taxes, unless the places are very expensive,

1215
01:38:36,370 --> 01:38:41,830
do not cover the cost, and if we are concerned about our economic viability, we need to

1216
01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:43,190
really do a study on this.

1217
01:38:43,590 --> 01:38:49,430
So I think this is very important that we just don't really know the approved projects just

1218
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:52,210
have more houses because they don't help to help the city.

1219
01:38:53,210 --> 01:39:00,030
There's one thing I also like to say about an answer to Mr. Roberts.

1220
01:39:00,590 --> 01:39:07,210
He educated me that too many high rises downtown were not good for the city that would

1221
01:39:07,210 --> 01:39:13,290
black to mountains and now he's changed his mind like he often does and also a one

1222
01:39:13,290 --> 01:39:14,330
comment on his vote.

1223
01:39:14,330 --> 01:39:21,850
She also is the one that mentioned the word bankrupt arms, not I, and I think that we need this the voter need to know

1224
01:39:21,850 --> 01:39:26,410
Frank are you still talking about the wood ridge project? No, no, okay, then please stop

1225
01:39:26,410 --> 01:39:29,690
But that's the voters know what thank you Mr. Christ you're trying to do this

1226
01:39:29,690 --> 01:39:30,410
Well

1227
01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:37,940
actually when you're talking and they're talking I'm trying to listen to you. I can't hear what they're saying

1228
01:39:37,940 --> 01:39:38,180
So

1229
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:46,450
Okay, well, it's it's stopped now. It's stopped now. Does it is the applicant wish to speak on rebuttal?

1230
01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:50,130
Mr. Dyson, you're out of order, please.

1231
01:39:55,190 --> 01:39:58,190
There was a comment about the project being 100% residential.

1232
01:39:58,190 --> 01:39:59,950
This project is a mixed use.

1233
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:09,420
Project has commercial has residential bills, so I'm not sure where that came from. I will tell you, I saw a study about talking about housing in Palm Springs.

1234
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:20,260
Eight out of the ten of the active selling new home projects and Palm Springs will probably be sold out within a year. The demand is good, houses are selling. There is a need for housing in the city.

1235
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:29,340
I'm looking for some guidance on this gate issue as to whether I need to

1236
01:40:29,340 --> 01:40:37,040
continue to ask for a continuous on this, or we can go forward, so I'm not sure what to do

1237
01:40:37,040 --> 01:40:37,740
here.

1238
01:40:38,180 --> 01:40:38,440
Thank you.

1239
01:40:38,500 --> 01:40:41,340
We'll be discussing this in the opinion of the Council members has questions.

1240
01:40:41,560 --> 01:40:44,900
As a question for you, we know you're right there and you can answer them for us.

1241
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:51,240
I was advised by the City Attorney once the public here in the case closed, I cannot ask

1242
01:40:51,240 --> 01:40:51,920
or it continues.

1243
01:40:53,440 --> 01:40:54,060
I did tell you about it.

1244
01:40:54,740 --> 01:41:00,460
Mr. Mayor, I did tell the developer that it wasn't his right to resume the podium to make

1245
01:41:00,460 --> 01:41:05,840
a formal request after the public hearing was concluded, and I think if I understand him correctly,

1246
01:41:06,420 --> 01:41:09,440
he's simply trying to understand where the council members are coming from.

1247
01:41:09,620 --> 01:41:14,480
If you'll indulge the developer and it's an if, it's up to the council with whatever questions

1248
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:18,020
you have after debate, I think that'll satisfy the developer.

1249
01:41:18,700 --> 01:41:18,860
Okay.

1250
01:41:19,220 --> 01:41:19,760
Thank you.

1251
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:23,180
Thank you, Mr. Codkin. Okay, questions of the developer.

1252
01:41:23,860 --> 01:41:24,680
Okay, comment.

1253
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:25,380
Mr. Roberts?

1254
01:41:26,380 --> 01:41:31,560
I don't have a question of the developer. I'm very familiar with this project. I just want to say for the benefit of the council.

1255
01:41:32,300 --> 01:41:44,240
The reason that, originally, the gates were approved for this project was because this project actually met a very important part of the, of the PDD requirement.

1256
01:41:44,240 --> 01:41:49,220
and that is it is a mixed use project and again contrary to the misinformation that comes

1257
01:41:49,220 --> 01:41:55,600
from the public this is a mixed use project with a full retail component even though

1258
01:41:55,600 --> 01:42:01,880
the general plan says that we want housing developments without gates we make allowances

1259
01:42:01,880 --> 01:42:07,500
occasionally when we realize that the housing development is going to have big problems

1260
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:12,180
without them and the concern with this project was that when you have a retail component

1261
01:42:12,180 --> 01:42:33,760
in front of a housing project that you then know and if you don't have any at least car gates you're going to have problems with traffic and parking and there's no real way to police that well so in this particular case it actually made sense to have drive gates on this project and also contrary to what people are saying publicly

1262
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:37,480
How's this benefit people is who they benefit?

1263
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,260
Maybe they don't necessarily benefit the city,

1264
01:42:40,380 --> 01:42:42,740
but they benefit people, and we're actually here,

1265
01:42:42,980 --> 01:42:45,860
to serve the people, and the truth of the matter is

1266
01:42:45,860 --> 01:42:49,120
on housing is these guys can't build them fast enough.

1267
01:42:50,020 --> 01:42:52,020
The project this man is scanning before us,

1268
01:42:52,100 --> 01:42:53,540
the other project that he's completing

1269
01:42:53,540 --> 01:42:55,580
is selling before it's built.

1270
01:42:56,540 --> 01:42:58,900
The second phase or third phase of it,

1271
01:42:58,900 --> 01:43:03,340
so we do need the housing, and just because some people are here

1272
01:43:03,340 --> 01:43:08,640
don't feel we should allow anybody else in, the reality is we need housing for other people

1273
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:15,700
who might want to move here and they're standing in line to get this housing. So I'm grateful

1274
01:43:15,700 --> 01:43:21,280
of this project is coming through. I'm grateful that you picked it up because I know it pretty

1275
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:27,180
much crashed and burned after it was approved and you have proven to be a developer of great

1276
01:43:27,180 --> 01:43:30,460
and sensitivity to the community, so thank you.

1277
01:43:30,620 --> 01:43:30,900
Thank you.

1278
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:31,380
Of course.

1279
01:43:32,840 --> 01:43:34,380
Hopefully we can make this quick.

1280
01:43:35,240 --> 01:43:36,180
I called it up.

1281
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:39,300
I wasn't on the planning commission or the council when this came through.

1282
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:44,220
And I asked plan director, unfortunately, or for him, probably, is fortunately

1283
01:43:44,220 --> 01:43:44,920
on vacation.

1284
01:43:45,980 --> 01:43:50,320
Because I heard some things about the gates, and I wanted an explanation of why there

1285
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:51,300
are gates in this project.

1286
01:43:52,380 --> 01:43:55,000
The developer, the applicant, I emailed each other.

1287
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:59,620
I'm very satisfied with the response and I'm prepared to move the item.

1288
01:44:00,580 --> 01:44:05,420
Okay, since we're still in asking the developer questions, I'll freeze it in that way.

1289
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:10,800
There was some comments made about being a stale PDD, still architecture, however,

1290
01:44:11,380 --> 01:44:18,340
I watched this go through the planning commission and this previous council and you discussed the gates and I think it was a very good discussion on the gates.

1291
01:44:18,440 --> 01:44:20,140
Has anything changed since then?

1292
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:28,320
But you I did also watch the recent where you talked about the update upgrade and you changed the heights around and you changed the colors

1293
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:33,460
And so the arc you feel obviously you know what you're doing because sky has been tremendously successful

1294
01:44:33,460 --> 01:44:37,880
You feel that the architecture is contemporary with 2017 and on yes

1295
01:44:37,880 --> 01:44:47,360
Okay, thank you. Any other questions? Mayor Potem. Yeah, I I also voted in favor of this project when it first came through and I think the

1296
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:54,540
I think there's been some great improvements actually in the architecture, so I wanted to complement you on that.

1297
01:44:55,300 --> 01:44:59,960
And I also want to make sure that still in this architecture and I guess on...

1298
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,220
I don't remember what is page 72 or something like that.

1299
01:45:05,940 --> 01:45:17,760
There's a letter from Bill Post, who's been involved with the Takut's Creek Plan page 72, since it started

1300
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:22,120
and also that's part of the CB link is.

1301
01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:31,120
And so I just want to assurance from you that that landscaping of that area is still going

1302
01:45:31,120 --> 01:45:36,120
to be included as was mentioned in Mr. Post's letter.

1303
01:45:36,700 --> 01:45:38,820
Yes, landscaping along the trail in the creek.

1304
01:45:39,060 --> 01:45:45,000
And there's also a trailhead park at South Pump Canyon that will all be included with the development

1305
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:45,620
of the project.

1306
01:45:46,520 --> 01:46:07,340
Okay, I'm really pleased because I, this, I mean, just as we said earlier, people come up here and say things that aren't right, and this has been a mixed use project since the beginning, and I'm so glad that you're moving on it, because the project that is current form has been a disaster for the neighborhood behind.

1307
01:46:07,340 --> 01:46:25,180
I know that the triangle in, which is right behind this project, has had thousands of dollars worth of damage from blowing sand and dirt and everything else in their pools and so I'm just really pleased with this project moving forward.

1308
01:46:25,180 --> 01:46:26,040
Thank you.

1309
01:46:26,640 --> 01:46:27,660
Councillor Miller Mills.

1310
01:46:28,600 --> 01:46:29,260
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1311
01:46:34,440 --> 01:46:40,000
It's in the change in the color certainly under standable.

1312
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:48,560
I get a kick out of in the staff report on page 14, in reference to why you're doing

1313
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:49,400
these.

1314
01:46:49,720 --> 01:46:53,180
It says today's housing market preference for colors and materials.

1315
01:46:53,180 --> 01:46:55,840
or lighter color palette and timeless.

1316
01:46:57,280 --> 01:46:58,920
Well, at the time before, I think,

1317
01:46:59,040 --> 01:46:59,960
was that it was timeless.

1318
01:47:00,780 --> 01:47:03,060
So I always get a kick out of the word timeless

1319
01:47:03,060 --> 01:47:04,800
is to use a few times to hear it.

1320
01:47:05,020 --> 01:47:07,460
I don't know if that was the staff's work

1321
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:11,140
or your work, I don't know.

1322
01:47:11,140 --> 01:47:13,300
I'll tell you, it's not mine, I'm not sure where it came from.

1323
01:47:13,780 --> 01:47:15,120
I've been in our architect though.

1324
01:47:16,520 --> 01:47:18,100
Okay, just to tell you know, this staff.

1325
01:47:18,860 --> 01:47:21,420
I went through in detail and you can see

1326
01:47:21,420 --> 01:47:31,240
my little blue tabs here. What I came away with was, there's some things I think made it a better

1327
01:47:31,240 --> 01:47:36,880
project, there's some things that didn't make it a better project, but congratulations and get this

1328
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:44,180
thing built. Okay, before we, any other questions of the applicant? Before we close the public hearing,

1329
01:47:44,480 --> 01:47:48,980
did you want to, I know, as I said before, I closed it. Before I, no, no, no, no, no,

1330
01:47:48,980 --> 01:47:54,100
We were asking questions of the applicant, and then he was going to decide whether he wanted

1331
01:47:54,100 --> 01:47:56,640
to continue answer not before we close the public hearing.

1332
01:47:57,720 --> 01:47:58,680
I do not.

1333
01:47:59,020 --> 01:47:59,080
Okay.

1334
01:47:59,340 --> 01:47:59,540
Thank you.

1335
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:00,340
Okay.

1336
01:48:01,400 --> 01:48:03,560
That will close our public hearing.

1337
01:48:03,940 --> 01:48:04,880
I'll second.

1338
01:48:05,180 --> 01:48:06,620
Motion's been made in seconded.

1339
01:48:06,620 --> 01:48:07,620
No further discussion?

1340
01:48:08,860 --> 01:48:09,780
I'd say no further discussion.

1341
01:48:09,880 --> 01:48:10,880
The motion is on the floor.

1342
01:48:11,260 --> 01:48:11,620
City Clerk.

1343
01:48:12,260 --> 01:48:13,060
Council Member Cours.

1344
01:48:13,320 --> 01:48:13,600
Yes.

1345
01:48:14,040 --> 01:48:14,840
Council Member Mills.

1346
01:48:15,700 --> 01:48:16,480
Council Member Roberts.

1347
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:18,740
Let me think about this.

1348
01:48:20,260 --> 01:48:20,560
Okay.

1349
01:48:20,600 --> 01:48:21,720
Mayor Pro Temphote.

1350
01:48:22,780 --> 01:48:23,140
Mayor Moon.

1351
01:48:23,340 --> 01:48:23,440
Yes.

1352
01:48:23,820 --> 01:48:24,200
Approved.

1353
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:25,060
Five zero.

1354
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:26,020
Okay.

1355
01:48:26,060 --> 01:48:26,940
Thank you.

1356
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:29,400
That moves us into legislative.

1357
01:48:30,360 --> 01:48:31,900
Item three A.

1358
01:48:33,120 --> 01:48:37,220
An interim urgency ordinance regarding medical cannabis related businesses and activities.

1359
01:48:37,220 --> 01:48:42,280
is pursuant to chapter 5.45 of the Palm Springs Municipal Code to be undertaken by medical

1360
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:47,260
cannabis cooperatives and collectors permitted pursuant to chapter 5.35 of the code.

1361
01:48:47,980 --> 01:48:51,720
Note that this requires a fourth-fifth vote of the City Council.

1362
01:48:51,860 --> 01:48:52,740
We have a staff report.

1363
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:54,860
Yes, Mr. Mayor, members of the Council.

1364
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:56,860
I will be brief.

1365
01:48:57,920 --> 01:49:03,060
The City of Palm Springs tonight approved and adopted on second reading.

1366
01:49:03,960 --> 01:49:11,020
It's new cannabis ordinances with respect to commercial medical cannabis and adult use with respect to adult use.

1367
01:49:11,060 --> 01:49:16,380
That's not going to be available for people who wish to engage in that business until January 1.

1368
01:49:16,520 --> 01:49:20,880
But the applications can start to roll in quite soon and probably will.

1369
01:49:21,540 --> 01:49:29,180
In terms of our existing cooperatives and collectives, they've been doing business here in the city for a few years now.

1370
01:49:29,180 --> 01:49:39,460
and they've been paying their taxes, and they've been sort of playing, if you will, with one arm tied behind their back, I think that those of us.

1371
01:49:39,740 --> 01:49:50,300
Those of those of the group that are here in the chamber could probably come up with some more colorful examples of limitations that they've endured in order to comply with our existing ordinance.

1372
01:49:50,680 --> 01:49:58,260
And what the Council's done tonight is its move forward based on changes in the law in a very aggressive, as it's always been very aggressive.

1373
01:49:58,260 --> 01:50:00,000
manner with respect.

1374
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:28,860
The cannabis and these commercial medical uses. What the interim urgency ordinance would do is it would allow our existing collectives cooperatives to do business in a slightly different manner, to allow them to venture forth beyond their membership and venture forth beyond the limitations of our existing ordinance that is still the only effective cannabis ordinance we have, the one that's ineffective, I should say, as of right now, 30 days from now, the others will be in effect.

1375
01:50:28,860 --> 01:50:34,200
But because of the terms of those ordinances, they are not going to be available.

1376
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:40,340
That is to say permits won't issue until and unless a tax initiative that is contemplated

1377
01:50:40,340 --> 01:50:42,840
and also on tonight's agenda is approved.

1378
01:50:43,420 --> 01:50:49,320
This interim urgency ordinance would allow our existing collectives and cooperatives to operate

1379
01:50:49,320 --> 01:50:55,860
under the parameters of the new chapter 5.45 once it becomes effective.

1380
01:50:55,860 --> 01:51:02,040
they will remain effectively concurrently permitted in the city in order to maintain their current

1381
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:08,480
subject status to the existing tax, they will continue to pay the existing tax notwithstanding

1382
01:51:08,480 --> 01:51:14,230
this concurrent permit status, and I'm here to answer any questions if you have them.

1383
01:51:15,380 --> 01:51:17,160
Thank you Mr. Cuckins for questions or staff?

1384
01:51:18,100 --> 01:51:19,640
No, I've come in. Do you want to come in first?

1385
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:20,620
I'm coming first.

1386
01:51:22,300 --> 01:51:23,080
Councilman, of course.

1387
01:51:23,460 --> 01:51:32,260
Yeah, just maybe to make this as simple as possible for our existing six collectives cooperatives.

1388
01:51:32,740 --> 01:51:40,120
This will allow them to sell product, which are allowed to do under state law, we're allowing

1389
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:42,340
them to sell product beyond just their members.

1390
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:47,560
That's correct, and it's consistent with the earlier comment that other cities have been

1391
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:48,840
allowing this activity to go wild.

1392
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:53,440
So that's all this does, it doesn't allow anyone else to open business, it doesn't do anything else.

1393
01:51:53,900 --> 01:51:59,660
So real benefit, both to them in the city, if they can sell more, they bring in more taxes.

1394
01:52:00,440 --> 01:52:06,580
If given other cities or allowing it, and their dispensaries are building their brand statewide,

1395
01:52:07,480 --> 01:52:12,940
we want ours to have the same opportunity because the more they build their brands, the more taxes they're going to bring in,

1396
01:52:12,940 --> 01:52:20,580
moving forward, so it's really in the welfare of our city to enable them to have this opportunity

1397
01:52:21,340 --> 01:52:24,240
during this period until the ballot measure happens.

1398
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:31,800
I think, and I, to further clarify, because this gets so confusing, is, and I'll use an example

1399
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:42,620
of Mr. Van Rue's business, if his medical facility ran out of product, he could then go to

1400
01:52:42,940 --> 01:52:52,320
another facility like Joyce or a joelys and byproduct from them. Currently we don't allow

1401
01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:58,960
that. It does not allow them to sell to just anyone. It would have to be the other medical

1402
01:53:00,640 --> 01:53:10,880
cannabis providers. And so right now they can only grow and use what they grow. They can't

1403
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:14,460
or cell to each other and they certainly can't

1404
01:53:14,460 --> 01:53:17,880
sell to any other medical collective.

1405
01:53:18,380 --> 01:53:23,740
And so this will be the law in, it is the law now.

1406
01:53:24,860 --> 01:53:30,040
And in January, that will be the law also for both

1407
01:53:30,040 --> 01:53:33,780
recreational adult cannabis and medical cannabis.

1408
01:53:34,220 --> 01:53:39,940
And so we're just trying to give our own collective

1409
01:53:39,940 --> 01:53:42,640
that we'll then now have the opportunity.

1410
01:53:43,000 --> 01:53:46,640
We don't do it unselfishly because they sell more.

1411
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:47,700
We get more taxes.

1412
01:53:48,720 --> 01:53:52,240
And so that's our side of it.

1413
01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:56,880
But it's also good for them because, as Council Member Corps says,

1414
01:53:57,120 --> 01:53:59,360
they can then start building their brand

1415
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:04,140
and letting everyone know that they have a good product for sale.

1416
01:54:05,160 --> 01:54:08,000
Any other questions or of staff or comments?

1417
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:11,240
I move approval is presented a little second.

1418
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:13,380
Motion's been made and seconded.

1419
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:17,060
And of course I'd like to point out, you know, we're really, it's good that we're getting

1420
01:54:17,060 --> 01:54:21,440
ahead of the curve on this and leading on this.

1421
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:26,760
But as we learn how this process works, we can always tweak these ordinances as we need to,

1422
01:54:26,780 --> 01:54:27,960
just like vacation rentals.

1423
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:32,100
So this is something that can be changed as we learn and we move down the road.

1424
01:54:34,780 --> 01:54:37,580
Yeah, well, the point, you know what the analogy is.

1425
01:54:37,580 --> 01:54:41,220
Okay, the motions were made in the second motion on the floor, City Clerk.

1426
01:54:41,460 --> 01:54:42,520
That's a member, of course.

1427
01:54:43,260 --> 01:54:44,140
Council Member Mills.

1428
01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:46,000
Council Member Roberts.

1429
01:54:46,900 --> 01:54:48,080
Mayor Pro Temphote.

1430
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:49,400
Mayor Moon.

1431
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:49,680
Yes.

1432
01:54:51,070 --> 01:54:52,460
Approved as presented.

1433
01:54:53,100 --> 01:54:57,660
An interim urgency ordinance of the City of Palm Springs, California, regarding medical cannabis

1434
01:54:57,660 --> 01:54:59,960
related businesses and activities.

1435
01:55:00,180 --> 01:55:13,980
Resolute to chapter 5.45 of Palm Springs Municipal Code to be undertaken by medical cannabis cooperatives and collectives, permitted pursuant to chapter 5.35 of the code.

1436
01:55:18,420 --> 01:55:28,980
Okay, thank you, City Clerk. We're going to go ahead and address item 3B and then we'll take a short break before we go to the next item, which is on the transactions and use tax.

1437
01:55:28,980 --> 01:55:34,920
So item 3B, resolution ordering the submission to the qualified electors of the city, a measure

1438
01:55:34,920 --> 01:55:39,020
of proving an and implementing a gross receipt stacks on kind of this, this is activity

1439
01:55:39,020 --> 01:55:44,020
in a cultivation tax on commercial kind of as cultivators at the November 7th, 2017 General

1440
01:55:44,020 --> 01:55:45,480
Municipal Election.

1441
01:55:45,740 --> 01:55:46,540
Stafford, please.

1442
01:55:47,260 --> 01:55:48,040
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1443
01:55:48,160 --> 01:55:49,220
Members of the Council.

1444
01:55:49,220 --> 01:56:01,120
So this item presents the city council with a tax that if approved by the qualified voters

1445
01:56:01,120 --> 01:56:09,940
of the city will, in fact, update the existing tax that we have on our existing cooperatives

1446
01:56:09,940 --> 01:56:19,980
collectives by effectively expanding it under Chapter 5.45 and Chapter 5.55 to commercial

1447
01:56:19,980 --> 01:56:28,360
medical cannabis businesses and also to adult use cannabis businesses. The revenue that

1448
01:56:28,360 --> 01:56:33,920
will come in will be greater than the revenue we're currently proceeding or receiving.

1449
01:56:37,760 --> 01:56:38,720
And

1450
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:44,020
loss of that revenue, which is to say, the action you just took, placing our existing

1451
01:56:44,020 --> 01:56:49,160
collectives and cooperatives under 5.45, they're still subject to the 5.35 tax.

1452
01:56:49,660 --> 01:56:53,200
You're not giving up the existing revenue stream that you have.

1453
01:56:53,480 --> 01:56:58,080
You're potentially enlarging the revenue stream by a significant amount to the extent that

1454
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:06,000
the voters decide by a vote in this case because it is a general tax.

1455
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:11,360
it's going to be 50% of the voters plus one voter, majority rule, so to speak.

1456
01:57:12,460 --> 01:57:17,560
You'd be enlarging the revenue stream to coincide with the number of cannabis businesses

1457
01:57:17,560 --> 01:57:18,360
that come in.

1458
01:57:18,420 --> 01:57:24,660
This will be applicable to both cannabis on a commercial medical level and to adult use.

1459
01:57:25,140 --> 01:57:30,300
It is effectively, as I say, an update of the existing tax, because the rate is going to effectively

1460
01:57:30,300 --> 01:57:34,560
remain the same. It's up to 15 percent, which is what our current

1461
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:39,740
ordinance is as approved by the people. The rate that the council will impose

1462
01:57:39,740 --> 01:57:45,140
the tax at and levied the tax at can be considerably lower. In fact, right now,

1463
01:57:45,220 --> 01:57:49,160
the existing tax is at 10 percent. And I don't think there's any reason to

1464
01:57:49,160 --> 01:57:53,100
presume the council is going to raise or lower the new tax if this initiative

1465
01:57:53,100 --> 01:57:57,120
is approved. Maybe the council members wish to speak to that themselves. I know the

1466
01:57:57,120 --> 01:58:00,720
committee has a lot of input with respect to this matter.

1467
01:58:01,160 --> 01:58:06,600
They've given a huge amount of direction and support to my office and to the staff in

1468
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:08,080
the development of this ordinance.

1469
01:58:08,920 --> 01:58:15,740
I want to end my comments by simply saying that with respect to the amount of revenue that

1470
01:58:15,740 --> 01:58:20,520
it's going to bring, that's going to depend on how attractive a business environment the city

1471
01:58:20,520 --> 01:58:24,140
of Palm Springs is deemed to be by the cannabis world.

1472
01:58:24,660 --> 01:58:31,060
If we build that they will come is certainly one way of thinking about this and talking about this and I would

1473
01:58:31,060 --> 01:58:39,100
Be above and beyond and outside my role as city attorney in getting into that, but I think your council subcommittee may have some comments and that would conclude my report

1474
01:58:39,100 --> 01:58:45,400
Just okay, who was to speak first before we get into comments. I just want the council and I presume we have copies for the public

1475
01:58:45,400 --> 01:58:49,040
There's some slight changes to the language then we're in our packets

1476
01:58:50,000 --> 01:58:52,460
So the people are looking at the right language

1477
01:58:54,340 --> 01:58:56,180
or in our yellow packets.

1478
01:58:57,560 --> 01:58:58,080
We have it.

1479
01:59:00,080 --> 01:59:01,020
You want me to read it?

1480
01:59:02,580 --> 01:59:07,180
The title is Palm Springs Cannabis Business Taxation, and it reads as follows.

1481
01:59:07,620 --> 01:59:12,020
Shall Palm Springs update the existing gross receipts tax on medical cannabis collectives

1482
01:59:12,020 --> 01:59:18,320
and cooperatives to apply to all medical and adult use cannabis businesses, apart from cultivation businesses,

1483
01:59:18,900 --> 01:59:22,760
which will be taxed at a rate of a rate of up to $10 per square foot,

1484
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:27,820
with all revenue used in Palm Springs to maintain and improve essential city services, including

1485
01:59:27,820 --> 01:59:31,780
public safety and youth career prevention and education, requiring annual independent

1486
01:59:31,780 --> 01:59:33,320
audits and public oversight.

1487
01:59:35,380 --> 01:59:40,820
And sort of the one change of most note is we talk about the youth education and that was

1488
01:59:40,820 --> 01:59:44,240
a request from the school district, which they're doing with all the cities and Palm Springs

1489
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:46,500
Unified Cathedral City.

1490
01:59:46,500 --> 01:59:48,160
as a hot swing wrench and a large set,

1491
01:59:48,180 --> 01:59:52,160
some money from the tax, help educate youth about drug prevention.

1492
01:59:52,540 --> 01:59:57,000
And we thought that was a really good idea to do that.

1493
01:59:57,160 --> 01:59:59,960
So that's really the main change, I think, from...

1494
02:00:00,540 --> 02:00:21,360
That's correct, and Council Member Cores, and pointing that language out, is indicating where the change would occur in your resolution, placing this matter on the ballot. There's a nifty little box in the body of the resolution. This new language that Council Member Cores just read, which is available to the public, would be the new language inside the box that will be on the actual ballot.

1495
02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:26,940
And then I have some minor edits to some of the boards.

1496
02:00:27,180 --> 02:00:33,880
Yeah, and I just want to go because this has been Council Member Mills and I mean Council

1497
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:41,960
Member Coors and I have spent hours on this, along with City staff and City Attorney.

1498
02:00:42,420 --> 02:00:50,600
And it's a very complicated issue because we're working without the final regulations from

1499
02:00:50,600 --> 02:00:56,420
state so we tried to do, as best we could, with the outline of the regulations that they

1500
02:00:56,420 --> 02:00:56,860
have.

1501
02:00:57,260 --> 02:01:03,060
And in no way in here, and it's something that the subcommittee has not addressed yet,

1502
02:01:03,280 --> 02:01:11,700
and that is the retail portion of this only deals with the taxation on the businesses.

1503
02:01:11,700 --> 02:01:36,120
The taxes will not change on what's happening with the, with the, with our medical facility, our medical retail facilities, but what we had to do was include what is coming up, which will be the recreational adult use, we had to make a vehicle in order to be able to charge that also.

1504
02:01:36,120 --> 02:02:06,080
We also will, in the past, the change that will happen is that our city will be hopefully a place where people will come and want to just have cultivation facilities, which is grows and the best place for that is out in the hinterland to speak, but out in the areas that are away from the city.

1505
02:02:06,120 --> 02:02:22,220
And so in the past you could not do that under our current laws, you had to be in order to have a grow or in order to manufacture anything, you had to be connected to a license facility.

1506
02:02:22,980 --> 02:02:31,420
So what this does is this allows us to tax any of the businesses coming in.

1507
02:02:31,420 --> 02:02:56,920
We did not deal as a subcommittee yet, and this is important that we did not talk about yet where if any additional retail spaces would be, and that is an important part of what's going to be coming up is that is that particular part of it is that next thing, but this has nothing to do with that.

1508
02:02:56,920 --> 02:03:05,760
This just has to make sure that the grows, if you're manufacturing, or if you're opening a,

1509
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:13,120
or if you're going to sell, just adult use cannabis that you will be paying tax to the city.

1510
02:03:13,780 --> 02:03:16,580
I'd like to add one more thing.

1511
02:03:16,880 --> 02:03:19,480
Mayor Perten, votes, comments about the cultivation.

1512
02:03:20,000 --> 02:03:24,080
The subcommittee gave us direction to tax cultivation in a slightly different fashion.

1513
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:27,320
the language you read specifically, covered that.

1514
02:03:27,700 --> 02:03:30,360
This is going to be a tax on gross receipts

1515
02:03:30,360 --> 02:03:32,580
with regard to all cannabis businesses,

1516
02:03:33,120 --> 02:03:35,820
with the sole and single exception of the cultivation

1517
02:03:35,820 --> 02:03:37,780
part of the cannabis industry,

1518
02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:40,640
which will be subject to a per square foot tax

1519
02:03:40,640 --> 02:03:42,180
on an annual basis.

1520
02:03:43,560 --> 02:03:43,880
It's clear?

1521
02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:44,700
Yeah.

1522
02:03:46,160 --> 02:03:48,420
I mean, basically, all we're doing is leveling the playing field.

1523
02:03:49,120 --> 02:03:53,640
So our existing medical dispensaries currently pay a tax

1524
02:03:53,640 --> 02:03:56,200
and any new businesses, whether medical or recreational,

1525
02:03:56,520 --> 02:03:57,360
should have to pay it to.

1526
02:03:57,860 --> 02:03:58,860
That's pretty much all this does,

1527
02:03:58,960 --> 02:04:00,900
but we have to take it to the ballot to do it.

1528
02:04:01,100 --> 02:04:03,840
A couple of minor things, Mr. Cotkin,

1529
02:04:04,060 --> 02:04:08,200
that I noticed and sorry to late to perfectly

1530
02:04:08,200 --> 02:04:09,940
all right, that's why I've got my iPad here.

1531
02:04:11,020 --> 02:04:11,120
Mention.

1532
02:04:15,530 --> 02:04:19,070
So in the purpose on page two of a staff report,

1533
02:04:19,270 --> 02:04:22,690
so staff analysis, it's only a staff report,

1534
02:04:22,710 --> 02:04:25,490
but just one point out, you go down a little bit

1535
02:04:25,490 --> 02:04:31,010
It says, with the exception of cultivation, which would be subject to an annual cultivation,

1536
02:04:32,610 --> 02:04:37,370
calculated the rate of, well, of calculated to the rate of $10 for square foot, it should

1537
02:04:37,370 --> 02:04:45,340
be up to, so I want to be clear. We're not saying it's, that's the max, right? You're in

1538
02:04:45,340 --> 02:04:50,940
3.42010. Well, I was in your staff analysis, so it doesn't really matter there, but we have it

1539
02:04:50,940 --> 02:04:55,120
and whereas on page 4 in the resolution,

1540
02:04:58,520 --> 02:05:00,000
you have up to 50.

1541
02:05:00,210 --> 02:05:03,310
Auditions of State, solicitation, reading censor, in prayer, PMF, and ambulance, service, and

1542
02:05:03,310 --> 02:05:07,010
the public hearing, seats and pollutions. And the co-attention tax of $10 per square foot.

1543
02:05:08,370 --> 02:05:12,410
Not up to-and to the $10 per square foot, right? Should be up to.

1544
02:05:12,910 --> 02:05:15,610
And I can make that change in both locations.

1545
02:05:20,960 --> 02:05:23,620
And easy change to make. Thank you.

1546
02:05:24,060 --> 02:05:29,040
But probably should read actually to any-when you say 15 cents per $1 for

1547
02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:36,580
needs on any sponsoring kind of business with the exception of cultivation, which will be at the

1548
02:05:36,580 --> 02:05:40,120
rate of $10 per square foot because we're not double taxing them, right?

1549
02:05:40,300 --> 02:05:40,960
That's correct.

1550
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:48,060
With the exception of cultivation businesses.

1551
02:05:48,860 --> 02:05:57,640
And then on page seven, which is the ordinance in purpose, you have the purpose, tied to the

1552
02:05:57,640 --> 02:06:02,640
Gross receipts, but you don't mention the cultivation, so we should add that there as well.

1553
02:06:04,300 --> 02:06:06,240
And you're in the ordinance now,

1554
02:06:09,760 --> 02:06:10,760
the cannabis business.

1555
02:06:10,860 --> 02:06:12,140
Sorry, pay seven in the purpose?

1556
02:06:12,300 --> 02:06:13,120
Yes, I see that.

1557
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:13,480
Right.

1558
02:06:13,600 --> 02:06:20,960
The definition of cannabis business does in fact include cultivation, but I can certainly add that language if you wish.

1559
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:29,700
Right, but then cultivation isn't it 15 cents of every dollar, so we should probably make sure we're clear on that.

1560
02:06:31,490 --> 02:06:48,450
Right? Yes, I can add the reference to 3.42.010 and a tax of $10 per square foot on cultivation activities up to, up to, up to, up to, yes.

1561
02:06:50,470 --> 02:06:54,970
And you're saying cultivation is included under cannabis business, correct?

1562
02:06:55,070 --> 02:06:59,150
The definition of cannabis business under the ordinance includes cultivation, yes.

1563
02:07:00,350 --> 02:07:05,990
So do we need to then clarify that on page 9, 3.4, 2.0, 3, 0,

1564
02:07:06,130 --> 02:07:11,110
cross receipts tax in A, we have the same thing, kind of as business,

1565
02:07:12,650 --> 02:07:15,950
all kind of as businesses are taxed across receipts, which is an accurate.

1566
02:07:16,650 --> 02:07:21,550
So as you probably say, with the exception of cultivation, which is then handled in section D.

1567
02:07:22,450 --> 02:07:23,430
So there's no confusion.

1568
02:07:23,430 --> 02:07:32,220
And I think that was addressed in 3.4.040, but I will definitely agree with you that it

1569
02:07:32,220 --> 02:07:34,580
should be internally consistent and comprehensive.

1570
02:07:34,700 --> 02:07:35,080
Great.

1571
02:07:35,080 --> 02:07:35,300
Thank you.

1572
02:07:35,400 --> 02:07:36,060
We'll add that.

1573
02:07:36,200 --> 02:07:36,820
That's all I have.

1574
02:07:37,340 --> 02:07:39,100
I really appreciate the turnaround on this.

1575
02:07:40,100 --> 02:07:43,400
The two, three in the morning e-mails from you.

1576
02:07:43,420 --> 02:07:44,720
The last two weeks.

1577
02:07:45,260 --> 02:07:49,380
Our noticed and we really appreciate how quickly you have gotten so much work done.

1578
02:07:49,560 --> 02:07:51,500
I have locked you on my e-mail.

1579
02:07:54,400 --> 02:08:08,140
I know we're venturing into new territory, so this has been a lot of work, and thank you for the subcommittee for all the great work you did on this, but I just have one question of the subcommittee on page 16 paragraph D when they took under the section on enforcement.

1580
02:08:09,260 --> 02:08:18,320
When I read this, I thought it sounded fine, except there's here. I noticed that if someone violates, we're just talking about taxes and some of these taxes could be somewhat substantial amounts.

1581
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:23,860
And it says if someone violates this ordinance, they'll be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor

1582
02:08:23,860 --> 02:08:28,000
unless the city attorney in his or her discretion elect to prosecute it as an infraction.

1583
02:08:28,580 --> 02:08:34,340
Did you feel that that was a strong enough teeth in this ordinance, or should it have some more defined fines

1584
02:08:34,340 --> 02:08:36,340
that we do in the vacation room ordinance?

1585
02:08:39,300 --> 02:08:47,380
Do we have, I thought we had a 25% search charge for people who, or do my attention to see that?

1586
02:08:47,380 --> 02:08:53,140
We do we do we do have surcharges, but there could be administrative citations as well

1587
02:08:53,140 --> 02:08:54,540
If you pay your tax

1588
02:08:55,680 --> 02:08:59,240
You go to page 14 there fail you to pay timely

1589
02:09:00,660 --> 02:09:04,020
There's a 25% of the tax or fee

1590
02:09:06,080 --> 02:09:12,340
I'm surcharge. I'm not opposed to doing this differently by any means, but well you could have a belt and suspenders

1591
02:09:12,340 --> 02:09:15,820
You could have that exact language and you could add an

1592
02:09:15,820 --> 02:09:28,220
administrative citation or administrative fine process that, again, within the discretion of the city attorney could be levied in this, in the instance of a tax violation.

1593
02:09:28,840 --> 02:09:35,420
I think that may make sense because I want to make sure that if we have to spend staff time or attorney time to collect taxes,

1594
02:09:36,440 --> 02:09:40,980
that that's not coming out of our taxpayers because someone paid their taxes late.

1595
02:09:41,360 --> 02:09:46,980
Right, so maybe attorneys fees, a fine, an attorneys fees or something?

1596
02:09:48,460 --> 02:09:50,060
On the fly as we're sitting here.

1597
02:09:50,260 --> 02:09:54,360
Well, I ask a, I'm not entirely on the fly, the mayor, and I'm not about this.

1598
02:09:54,620 --> 02:09:54,680
Okay.

1599
02:09:54,680 --> 02:09:54,820
Okay.

1600
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:55,100
Okay.

1601
02:09:55,100 --> 02:09:55,180
Okay.

1602
02:10:00,880 --> 02:10:29,980
Well, what I was going to do with your permission, I think you said you're going to take a break. I was going to actually draft the language over the break, read it to you after you came back from the break. And perhaps you can just defer the vote to the left of the break. The administrative citation language is very easy to write. It's just effectively if the council wishes to have it. I'll write it for a bit. I'll read it for a bit. And we'll simply add it as 3.42.125.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0

1603
02:10:30,700 --> 02:10:34,900
I'd like to clarify two things, one, if we're going to give this on the ballot, we have to pass it tonight.

1604
02:10:35,300 --> 02:10:37,740
If you're getting it on the ballot, you have to pass it tonight.

1605
02:10:38,300 --> 02:10:45,900
And two, we have to be very careful because unlike the other ordinances, this one's going to a vote, so therefore we cannot tweak it all the tweaking has to be tonight.

1606
02:10:46,020 --> 02:10:51,620
That's exactly right, and that's another reason I was going to ask to have the luxury of the break to incorporate these changes,

1607
02:10:51,620 --> 02:10:59,540
because as good a typist as I might be, as competent a listener, I want to make sure that the

1608
02:10:59,540 --> 02:11:02,940
verbiage is very clear because this will be going to the electorate.

1609
02:11:03,320 --> 02:11:08,440
You won't have the opportunity to change it once the electorate if they so choose approve it.

1610
02:11:08,820 --> 02:11:11,280
Well, this is not substantial changes.

1611
02:11:11,740 --> 02:11:18,520
No, we're moving, we're moving where you forgot to put in to how quickly we did this.

1612
02:11:18,520 --> 02:11:28,400
You forgot to put in something you put in the first paragraph, you forgot that that's accepted in the second paragraph, so it's not it's not substantial. You're just going to make it so that it all matches.

1613
02:11:29,160 --> 02:11:30,600
That's absolutely no new information.

1614
02:11:31,160 --> 02:11:33,380
So what's what you do that, and we'll take a short break.

1615
02:11:33,640 --> 02:11:35,620
Well 10 minutes for you enough, you have 15.

1616
02:11:35,940 --> 02:11:37,460
I'd like 15 if it's not too much trouble.

1617
02:11:37,780 --> 02:11:40,500
Okay, take a 15 minute break, it's now 820.

1618
02:11:40,720 --> 02:11:42,500
We'll break until 835.

1619
02:11:43,560 --> 02:11:44,440
We're assessed.

1620
02:11:44,440 --> 02:11:49,360
This is one of the important things that I can borrow.

1621
02:34:42,100 --> 02:34:52,080
We reconvene. Okay, Mr. Cotton, do you want to review where we are on the, yes, sir, Mr. Mayor, members of the council.

1622
02:34:52,580 --> 02:34:59,180
I pursued to the comments. I'd added in the, whereas, plus, the recital, that is the third recital of the resolution.

1623
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:04,600
To which this ballot, measure will be placed on the ballot, if the council votes in that accord.

1624
02:35:05,820 --> 02:35:10,800
Page 4 of the agenda item down at the bottom page 1 of 3 of the resolution.

1625
02:35:12,940 --> 02:35:21,700
We will be inserting the words up to $10 on the second line of that recital clause in lieu of the word of.

1626
02:35:23,260 --> 02:35:42,820
The next item is that in ordinance statute 3.42.010, where it says of this code, we will add with the exception of cannabis cultivation businesses, which will be subject to attacks not to exceed $10 per square foot of cannabis cultivation area.

1627
02:35:42,820 --> 02:35:50,900
Section 3.4, 2.0, 2.0, after where it says, after 15% of gross receipts, we're going to insert

1628
02:35:50,900 --> 02:35:54,400
the sole exception to this tax upon gross receipts.

1629
02:35:54,540 --> 02:35:59,020
She'll be cannabis cultivation businesses comma, which are subject to the tax defined

1630
02:35:59,020 --> 02:36:03,860
in Section 3.4, 2.0, 4.0, which is, of course, the cultivation tax.

1631
02:36:04,320 --> 02:36:08,220
Finally, the enforcement measure that you pointed out, Mr. Mayor, it's going to read

1632
02:36:08,220 --> 02:36:15,500
follows. In addition to the penalty imposed for a failure to timely pay any tax or fee imposed

1633
02:36:15,500 --> 02:36:23,340
by this chapter, imposed pursuant to Section 3.42.110, the City Attorney shall have the

1634
02:36:23,340 --> 02:36:29,560
discretion to issue an administrative citation with respect to said failure, and impose an administrative

1635
02:36:29,560 --> 02:36:36,720
fine in the amount of $5,000 for each month that any payment of tax is overdue period.

1636
02:36:36,720 --> 02:36:41,220
Each cannabis business subject to any such administrative citation and fine,

1637
02:36:41,440 --> 02:36:47,500
shall have the opportunity to appeal same pursuant to chapter 2.50 of this code.

1638
02:36:47,980 --> 02:36:55,140
Then the subsequent section pursuant to the subcommittees direction, 3.42.125 subdivision F,

1639
02:36:55,400 --> 02:37:01,220
in the event that any appeal as to an administrative citation and fine pursuant to this section 3.42.

1640
02:37:01,220 --> 02:37:20,440
But one, two, five, or any other action in relation there to takes place, the city shall be entitled to recover its attorney's fees and administrative costs incurred unless the appeal in question is granted, or the cannabis business initiating any other action is the prevailing party.

1641
02:37:20,520 --> 02:37:23,980
Period. That would constitute the sum of total of the changes.

1642
02:37:24,340 --> 02:37:25,040
Move the item.

1643
02:37:25,860 --> 02:37:26,020
Second.

1644
02:37:30,600 --> 02:37:30,600
Second.

1645
02:37:30,600 --> 02:37:32,360
and I should note before you all vote,

1646
02:37:32,740 --> 02:37:33,980
there will also be an eye of politics,

1647
02:37:34,000 --> 02:37:34,760
this is terrible.

1648
02:37:35,120 --> 02:37:36,740
I have to do this, I have to call it an eye of politics.

1649
02:37:37,280 --> 02:37:39,780
We are changing the resolution language,

1650
02:37:39,960 --> 02:37:42,860
specifying the ballot language in a court with the language

1651
02:37:42,860 --> 02:37:47,400
that is in the council packets as a digital material,

1652
02:37:47,940 --> 02:37:50,280
which council member courts did read into the record.

1653
02:37:51,460 --> 02:37:52,340
Thank you, Mr. Kalkin.

1654
02:37:53,120 --> 02:37:55,500
So anyone, any other motions were made in a second

1655
02:37:55,500 --> 02:37:57,480
at any other comments before we go to a vote?

1656
02:37:57,740 --> 02:37:58,800
Council member Mills.

1657
02:37:59,340 --> 02:37:59,840
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

1658
02:37:59,840 --> 02:38:12,840
Just I want to, Jeff, if you initiated the modification to the wording, I had an issue with the way it was before, so this is definitely fine, I agree with that.

1659
02:38:13,640 --> 02:38:19,380
And just basically, this money is going into the general point.

1660
02:38:22,620 --> 02:38:28,640
And for purposes of the motion, Mr. Mayor, that would be to introduce you to me.

1661
02:38:28,900 --> 02:38:34,880
Adopt the ordinance, it would also be to pass or adopt the resolution, and the second

1662
02:38:34,880 --> 02:38:41,720
resolution added by the city clerk to your packet of materials with respect to the appropriation

1663
02:38:41,720 --> 02:38:43,560
with respect to funding the election.

1664
02:38:44,500 --> 02:38:45,340
Thank you.

1665
02:38:45,440 --> 02:38:49,620
Thank you.

1666
02:38:49,620 --> 02:38:57,060
Okay, um, City Clerk. Council member Cours. Yes. Council member Mills. Council member Roberts. Yes.

1667
02:38:57,700 --> 02:39:02,620
Mayor Potemphote. Yes. Mayor Moon. Yes. Approved 5000.

1668
02:39:03,660 --> 02:39:06,720
We'll have the clerk read the title of the ordinance at this point.

1669
02:39:23,490 --> 02:39:28,290
And ordinance of the city of Palm Springs imposing a tax on cannabis business activity.

1670
02:39:30,070 --> 02:39:32,950
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Okay. Thank you very much.

1671
02:39:32,950 --> 02:39:39,070
Moving right along, item 3C, introduction of an ordinance imposing a general transactions and use

1672
02:39:39,070 --> 02:39:43,410
tax and adoption of a resolution submitting a general tax measure to the electorate.

1673
02:39:43,630 --> 02:39:48,930
At the November 7th, 2017 general municipal election with the alternative of Introduction

1674
02:39:48,930 --> 02:39:55,070
an ordinance imposing a special transactions and use tax and adoption of a resolution submitting a special

1675
02:39:55,070 --> 02:39:59,850
tax measure to the electorate at the November 7th, 2017 general municipal election staff report.

1676
02:39:59,850 --> 02:39:59,970
Thanks for watching, and don't forget to like, share, and subscribe to our channel.

1677
02:40:00,180 --> 02:40:04,740
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Members of the Council and the interest of brevity, I'll simply highlight a major choice

1678
02:40:04,740 --> 02:40:11,380
that the council has to make because of the way that the item is presented. It is presented as an option for the city council

1679
02:40:11,380 --> 02:40:20,780
to place before the voters, the qualified voters of the city, either a general tax or a special tax. I'll be happy to explain the difference if you wish.

1680
02:40:21,080 --> 02:40:29,780
The second item I'd like to note by way of a staff report is that with respect to the action that the council takes tonight, whatever that action may be,

1681
02:40:29,780 --> 02:40:35,360
I want to highlight the legal context in which you're decision about this tax will be taking place.

1682
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:50,720
If you raise the transaction and use tax pursuant to a ballot measure, that will raise the city of Palm Springs effectively sales tax as it's known in the vernacular by one half a cent with respect to every dollar.

1683
02:40:50,720 --> 02:41:00,540
I want to state that there is a cap that everyone should understand exists with respect to local taxation on transactions and use.

1684
02:41:00,800 --> 02:41:02,880
That cap is a $2 cap.

1685
02:41:02,920 --> 02:41:04,760
There's been a reference to the county.

1686
02:41:05,400 --> 02:41:06,480
Terrence transaction in use.

1687
02:41:06,800 --> 02:41:08,320
That's in effect being rolled back.

1688
02:41:08,420 --> 02:41:09,040
You mean a two percent.

1689
02:41:09,460 --> 02:41:10,340
A two percent.

1690
02:41:10,340 --> 02:41:12,000
A two percent cap.

1691
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:12,700
You said dollar.

1692
02:41:13,300 --> 02:41:15,120
Two percent cap on a local part.

1693
02:41:15,400 --> 02:41:16,960
Yes, that's the local share.

1694
02:41:16,960 --> 02:41:21,660
And the portion of the local share can be no more than two cents.

1695
02:41:22,420 --> 02:41:28,040
We have the legal authority pursuant to all of the states laws applicable to these types

1696
02:41:28,040 --> 02:41:30,380
of revenue measures to increase this tax.

1697
02:41:30,440 --> 02:41:36,020
And I want to make it very clear to you that if we don't do this, the county can and perhaps

1698
02:41:36,020 --> 02:41:36,620
will.

1699
02:41:37,320 --> 02:41:43,240
I know that members of the subcommittee may want to speak to that in terms of their expertise

1700
02:41:43,240 --> 02:41:45,380
and their observations in that regard.

1701
02:41:45,380 --> 02:41:48,760
I don't want to try to even come close to making those comments.

1702
02:41:49,220 --> 02:41:54,240
What I did want to do is, at Monash, you all, that if you don't do this, you may lose

1703
02:41:54,240 --> 02:42:00,180
your opportunity to have these types of tax dollars spent locally in Palm Springs,

1704
02:42:00,180 --> 02:42:04,740
because if the county does this first, you won't be able to do it down the road.

1705
02:42:05,020 --> 02:42:11,640
I'd like to also add that if you do this, the county will not be able to pile on top of

1706
02:42:11,640 --> 02:42:14,480
to above that $2 local cap.

1707
02:42:14,900 --> 02:42:19,200
The best evidence I can offer you is what's happened in the city of Los Angeles with respect

1708
02:42:19,200 --> 02:42:22,360
to a tax that the county pursued there regarding homelessness.

1709
02:42:22,740 --> 02:42:29,740
Many of the cities that are looking to have sales taxes, et cetera, they have their sales

1710
02:42:29,740 --> 02:42:35,200
taxes which were adopted before that county tax and the county tax is not going to be imposed

1711
02:42:35,200 --> 02:42:35,860
in those cities.

1712
02:42:36,360 --> 02:42:41,380
In other words, if the county follows you with their own sales tax measure, they will not

1713
02:42:41,380 --> 02:42:46,800
be able to collect that portion of their sales tax or transaction use tax in the city of

1714
02:42:46,800 --> 02:42:51,640
Palm Springs. You will max out the local share. The county won't have a chance to

1715
02:42:51,640 --> 02:42:54,520
pile on. I hope that's clear if it's not I'm here for questions.

1716
02:42:55,300 --> 02:43:00,900
Yeah, one question. That's just so unclear. So most of sales tax doesn't go to local government

1717
02:43:00,900 --> 02:43:03,940
which is city and county. Correct. Most goes to the state.

1718
02:43:04,540 --> 02:43:06,600
Absolutely. Maximum two cents.

1719
02:43:06,600 --> 02:43:08,020
Except for Measure J.

1720
02:43:08,340 --> 02:43:12,700
Yeah, well, the two set, we have, that's part of our current one and a half set.

1721
02:43:12,980 --> 02:43:14,600
So Measure J would be included, that's exactly right.

1722
02:43:14,620 --> 02:43:22,060
So we can go up to two, and to some degree, if we do it first, it stays local, if the county does it first, they get it.

1723
02:43:22,360 --> 02:43:22,680
That's correct.

1724
02:43:22,980 --> 02:43:29,220
In effect, if you don't think the county is going to raise taxes, then look at their budget.

1725
02:43:30,500 --> 02:43:33,560
So this is a way for it to keep only used in Palm Springs.

1726
02:43:33,840 --> 02:43:35,660
Well, if the taxes coming anyway,

1727
02:43:35,660 --> 02:43:41,160
This is a way to make sure that the tax dollars, both of residents and visitors remain in the city of Palm Springs.

1728
02:43:41,540 --> 02:43:43,820
Thank you.

1729
02:43:44,720 --> 02:43:46,240
Anything else from some committee on this?

1730
02:43:46,540 --> 02:43:50,200
Yeah, let's read the current language we're voting on into the record.

1731
02:43:50,800 --> 02:43:53,960
Yes, just as we had to do the cannabis initiative.

1732
02:43:54,700 --> 02:43:55,680
I'll read this one.

1733
02:43:56,380 --> 02:43:59,560
This was also another one that we spent a lot of time working on.

1734
02:43:59,560 --> 02:44:24,980
And this is really important because we anticipate not only our pension liabilities, but we're also looking at the added expenses we will have with the downtown opening and the need for additional police officers and the need for additional paramedics.

1735
02:44:24,980 --> 02:44:38,080
If anyone's been to any of our fire stations, our fire stations, our crumbling, we're in the process of renovating one of them, but they all really need renovation.

1736
02:44:39,000 --> 02:44:41,360
And our firefighters live there.

1737
02:44:41,360 --> 02:44:42,240
That's their homes.

1738
02:44:42,260 --> 02:44:54,720
And the home that we are providing for them does not measure up to the standards of what we as Palm Springs should be providing for our firefighters and paramedics.

1739
02:44:54,980 --> 02:44:59,960
and the police are in desperate need of...

1740
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:17,940
Additional officers, because we are going to have a very successful business downtown area, and so we do need additional police for that, and we also need additional upgrade in upgrades in equipment.

1741
02:45:17,940 --> 02:45:21,160
And so we spent a lot of time looking at that.

1742
02:45:21,900 --> 02:45:25,300
I think after I'm finished, I think probably Mr. Corsele

1743
02:45:25,300 --> 02:45:29,060
will address a little bit of why we decided to go with this tax

1744
02:45:29,060 --> 02:45:31,340
with this particular one.

1745
02:45:31,900 --> 02:45:34,580
But I'll read you what we will be on the ballot.

1746
02:45:35,300 --> 02:45:38,180
It's the title is the Palm Springs Essential Services

1747
02:45:38,180 --> 02:45:39,880
Public Safety Measure.

1748
02:45:40,620 --> 02:45:44,300
And this tax would be to maintain essential city services

1749
02:45:44,300 --> 02:45:52,200
including rapid 911 emergency response, fire, police protection, and paramedic services.

1750
02:45:52,660 --> 02:45:58,540
Keep fire stations open, staffed, address homelessness, repair local streets,

1751
02:45:58,760 --> 02:46:03,340
puddles, improve rapid response to assault, burglies, crimes.

1752
02:46:03,980 --> 02:46:09,840
Keep public areas safe, clean, maintain senior services, attract, retain jobs,

1753
02:46:10,520 --> 02:46:12,420
businesses, increase water conservation.

1754
02:46:12,420 --> 02:46:19,000
cell, the city of Palm Springs establish a 1.5-cent sales tax requiring annual independent

1755
02:46:19,000 --> 02:46:23,340
audit public oversight and all funds used locally.

1756
02:46:24,300 --> 02:46:30,820
And it's hard to write these because you can only write seven, what is a 72, 75, 75

1757
02:46:30,820 --> 02:46:31,500
words.

1758
02:46:31,760 --> 02:46:35,140
And so you have to really be careful on what you can put in here.

1759
02:46:35,220 --> 02:46:41,800
So in that little paragraph, what in essence we're doing is increasing a lot of services throughout

1760
02:46:41,800 --> 02:46:48,840
city in a lot of places. We all know we have issues with homelessness. We have issues with

1761
02:46:50,040 --> 02:47:00,900
meeting upgrading as Council Member Roberts was talking earlier of our streets, our benches,

1762
02:47:01,320 --> 02:47:07,400
and things of all sorts. But we also need major public safety increases. And so that's

1763
02:47:07,400 --> 02:47:13,300
point that we try to put this tax to. Mr. Mayor, before Councilmember of course, comments,

1764
02:47:13,480 --> 02:47:17,940
I want to make an observation so that anyone in the public who's listening to these words

1765
02:47:17,940 --> 02:47:23,900
and looking at them, and they want to count the words, if they come to account, that's

1766
02:47:23,900 --> 02:47:29,440
over 75, they're wrong. And here's why. Because the city of Palm Springs counts only

1767
02:47:29,440 --> 02:47:35,800
as one word. Palm Springs counts only as one word. So if people are checking our work,

1768
02:47:35,800 --> 02:47:39,640
They will note that there are only 75 words or less.

1769
02:47:40,060 --> 02:47:45,340
I will also note that I personally verified that with the county's registrar of voters today on your behalf.

1770
02:47:45,720 --> 02:47:51,520
When you do things like fire slash, please protection, is that two words or three words?

1771
02:47:51,860 --> 02:47:54,140
That's going to be counted as one word if it's together.

1772
02:47:55,180 --> 02:47:58,220
And the bottom line is even if it's counted as two, we're still under 75.

1773
02:47:59,100 --> 02:48:02,700
Okay, so any candidates running for city council need to keep these tricks in mind, right?

1774
02:48:03,800 --> 02:48:07,820
Even if it's counted, even if it's counted as two, we're still under that 75.

1775
02:48:08,060 --> 02:48:09,320
Mayor, I'm a member of approval.

1776
02:48:10,700 --> 02:48:13,580
A couple of comments, but thank you.

1777
02:48:14,400 --> 02:48:23,480
One is, you know, we, as we looked into this, Mayor Pro Temphot and I did a bunch of outreach.

1778
02:48:24,280 --> 02:48:27,680
The city manager and I went to Main Street and talked to them about this.

1779
02:48:27,720 --> 02:48:30,260
I've talked as a liaison to the Chamber Board.

1780
02:48:30,260 --> 02:48:36,180
We've met several times with our firefighters and our police about their priorities.

1781
02:48:36,420 --> 02:48:42,520
I think we reached out and to probably about a thousand residents to get their views of priorities.

1782
02:48:43,100 --> 02:48:56,240
And one of the things that we learned in all of this is just to maintain the excellent level of service we get in public safety is going to require additional personnel.

1783
02:48:56,240 --> 02:49:00,340
Police calls, you know, some degree of victim of excess,

1784
02:49:00,380 --> 02:49:01,360
some more people are living here,

1785
02:49:01,520 --> 02:49:02,420
more people are visiting here,

1786
02:49:02,500 --> 02:49:04,680
police calls are up 14%.

1787
02:49:04,680 --> 02:49:07,800
Last year, so to maintain the great service

1788
02:49:07,800 --> 02:49:10,640
we get from the police, we need more police in addition

1789
02:49:10,640 --> 02:49:12,380
to the police for downtown.

1790
02:49:13,760 --> 02:49:15,320
You know, during the recession,

1791
02:49:17,080 --> 02:49:19,160
we ended having our paramedics,

1792
02:49:19,340 --> 02:49:21,840
and we added six back last year,

1793
02:49:22,300 --> 02:49:23,400
but to get fully staff,

1794
02:49:23,400 --> 02:49:27,340
you know, our firefighters really want to be fully fed staff because they can get to people

1795
02:49:27,340 --> 02:49:30,940
faster. And if you get to people within five minutes, if they're having a stroke or hard

1796
02:49:30,940 --> 02:49:37,140
attack, it's life or death, it is so important. And so that's really their priority. And so

1797
02:49:37,940 --> 02:49:45,380
just maintaining our existing services just costs more money as, as we move on. So we really

1798
02:49:45,380 --> 02:49:50,300
wanted to get input, you know, public very much wants to see us continue our work, reducing homelessness,

1799
02:49:50,300 --> 02:49:52,800
this has been successful over the last year.

1800
02:49:53,580 --> 02:49:55,340
And so as we looked at this, we really

1801
02:49:55,340 --> 02:49:58,120
wanted to focus on the things that were priorities.

1802
02:49:58,880 --> 02:50:00,000
We know what, you know.

1803
02:50:00,500 --> 02:50:07,480
12 million dollars of cuts did to the budgetor and the recession and lots of credit to our staff and council member

1804
02:50:07,480 --> 02:50:16,220
Folten Mills, how well we came out of that compared to so many other cities, because you made really hard cuts and did creative

1805
02:50:16,220 --> 02:50:26,840
programs to make sure the city would thrive again and we are. But we need to make sure we have the funds to continue to do that and continue to address the priorities of our city.

1806
02:50:26,840 --> 02:50:33,200
There's one other point because I think the desert son noted this would put us a half cent over any other city in the valley

1807
02:50:33,200 --> 02:50:37,470
Where we're different than a lot of other cities a lot of cities in the valley. I think most

1808
02:50:38,680 --> 02:50:44,300
They charge extra property taxes for their firefighters. They charge extra property taxes for the parks

1809
02:50:44,300 --> 02:50:49,420
We don't charge those so you know when you're comparing apples to oranges

1810
02:50:49,420 --> 02:50:52,720
The math doesn't work if you just look at the difference in sales tax

1811
02:50:52,720 --> 02:50:55,760
We don't charge those other taxes that other cities charge.

1812
02:50:56,320 --> 02:51:02,180
We provide, I think, probably the most extensive parks and wrecks programs, clearly the best

1813
02:51:02,180 --> 02:51:06,820
firefighters, without adding those fees to property taxes.

1814
02:51:07,380 --> 02:51:08,240
We pay it this way.

1815
02:51:10,340 --> 02:51:16,000
And as Middleson pointed out, what's so special about property taxes in the city, like I mean

1816
02:51:16,000 --> 02:51:20,640
sales tax on my property tax increases, is the majority are paid by our tourists.

1817
02:51:21,560 --> 02:51:33,280
And that's how it should be because they're benefiting from our great 911 police and fire and all the other services that are provided and they should pay their fair share and this ensures that they pay their fair share and it's not all in the residents.

1818
02:51:33,720 --> 02:51:35,020
So that's all I would add.

1819
02:51:35,440 --> 02:51:37,680
A little second to have Mr. Roberts motion.

1820
02:51:38,360 --> 02:51:42,640
Shoulders been made in second of any comments before we take a vote to a vote.

1821
02:51:42,640 --> 02:51:48,980
So here this motion will apply to the adoption of the ordinance, the adoption of the resolution

1822
02:51:48,980 --> 02:51:53,540
as amended with respect to the new ballot language, and also the resolution pertaining

1823
02:51:53,540 --> 02:51:55,840
to the appropriation of funds to fund the election.

1824
02:51:56,420 --> 02:51:56,780
Is that correct?

1825
02:51:59,600 --> 02:52:05,620
Oh, and you did not make the decision as a council, whether to opt for the general or the special

1826
02:52:05,620 --> 02:52:07,540
tax, although all of the commentary to that.

1827
02:52:07,540 --> 02:52:09,300
General, that is the one we read.

1828
02:52:09,420 --> 02:52:11,860
That is the one we read, and I want to clear about that.

1829
02:52:11,860 --> 02:52:16,020
That's the tax that requires only 50% of the

1830
02:52:16,020 --> 02:52:17,960
of the majority of voters.

1831
02:52:20,440 --> 02:52:21,680
Okay, motions are made in second.

1832
02:52:21,820 --> 02:52:23,680
The motion is on the floor.

1833
02:52:24,020 --> 02:52:24,540
Is it a clerk?

1834
02:52:25,260 --> 02:52:26,120
Council member, of course.

1835
02:52:27,080 --> 02:52:27,960
Council member Mills.

1836
02:52:28,760 --> 02:52:29,580
Council member Roberts.

1837
02:52:30,600 --> 02:52:31,680
Mayor Potemphot.

1838
02:52:32,760 --> 02:52:33,340
Mayor Moon.

1839
02:52:33,340 --> 02:52:33,660
Yes.

1840
02:52:34,420 --> 02:52:34,840
Approved.

1841
02:52:35,120 --> 02:52:36,520
Five zero zero.

1842
02:52:37,100 --> 02:52:41,340
An ordinance of the city of Palm Springs, California, imposing a general.

1843
02:52:42,180 --> 02:52:46,660
transaction and use tax. Thank you.

1844
02:52:47,020 --> 02:52:51,380
Okay, thank you. Moving right along, we're now entering into...

1845
02:52:51,380 --> 02:52:52,800
Let me shift a couple of pages.

1846
02:52:56,810 --> 02:52:59,170
Or are we... Okay, item four,

1847
02:52:59,310 --> 02:53:01,270
unfinished business update from the City Council budget

1848
02:53:01,270 --> 02:53:02,850
and finance standing subcommittee.

1849
02:53:03,110 --> 02:53:04,070
This was a change.

1850
02:53:06,930 --> 02:53:10,210
Item four, I update. Do you want to search it?

1851
02:53:12,230 --> 02:53:13,330
We talked about it.

1852
02:53:13,330 --> 02:53:15,170
I had a lot of ideas on today.

1853
02:53:17,360 --> 02:53:27,560
Yeah, one thing we've been looking on this is some committee is we've asked the City Manager over the next month or so when we come back in September to come up with some recommendations

1854
02:53:27,560 --> 02:53:35,940
We've already set aside three and a quarter million dollars that we've taken from reserves this year and we're putting a we're going to pull another three and a quarter million dollars

1855
02:53:35,940 --> 02:53:40,900
We'll vote on after the City Manager mixes recommendations will give us six and a half million this year

1856
02:53:40,900 --> 02:53:50,700
And we'll be putting away that much each year over the next several years to be able to accumulate the money to be able to meet the increasing anticipated increasing obligations for our pension fund.

1857
02:53:51,060 --> 02:53:55,020
So as I said earlier, we are not any financial problems.

1858
02:53:55,220 --> 02:54:01,700
It's just we are looking ahead, just like anyone who has an expense they know that's coming up, they put money aside for it.

1859
02:54:01,860 --> 02:54:04,620
So we're trying to be physically prudent and put that money aside.

1860
02:54:04,620 --> 02:54:15,240
That's, we'll be addressing those changes later, but there was also we wanted to, do you want to address the money for the special funds?

1861
02:54:15,800 --> 02:54:16,100
Yeah, go ahead.

1862
02:54:16,400 --> 02:54:25,620
Yeah, and there are a couple items, because we're doing the grants reviews in September, there were two organizations that reached out

1863
02:54:26,220 --> 02:54:31,180
who have a timing, crunch, and we're hoping we can give direction to the city manager.

1864
02:54:31,900 --> 02:54:41,980
One is Pomspring's Pride, who, I think we have a request for 90,000 of waiver of fees and city expenses.

1865
02:54:42,680 --> 02:54:46,720
And they need to know if we're going to do that in order to do a three-day Pride.

1866
02:54:47,600 --> 02:54:53,120
If we don't, they're fine, they'll do a one-day Pride, but they can't wait till September to make that decision,

1867
02:54:53,120 --> 02:54:57,960
because there's a lot of marketing, both nationally and international, we on that.

1868
02:54:58,900 --> 02:54:59,960
So I think the subject...

1869
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:06,120
Committee would recommend that we do that. I don't think we can vote on it now. I think we can give direction on it now.

1870
02:55:06,400 --> 02:55:08,640
Corrections appropriate. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I've already noted it.

1871
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:13,800
And so I don't know if there's other council members on our on it, but maybe we can give Dr. Eddie direction on that.

1872
02:55:14,040 --> 02:55:19,200
And the second one was well on the desert has a significant grant request.

1873
02:55:19,800 --> 02:55:26,420
Their main concern is, I think we give them 2000 a month for their food program, and that they want to be able to continue that.

1874
02:55:26,420 --> 02:55:30,340
And they asked for 1,000 a month towards their rent over the summer until we can vote in September.

1875
02:55:31,120 --> 02:55:34,980
So I think our recommendation would be to do that for July, August, September.

1876
02:55:35,140 --> 02:55:37,820
And then we could look at their grant at that time.

1877
02:55:39,900 --> 02:55:40,940
It would be nine total.

1878
02:55:42,660 --> 02:55:45,480
Because of 2,000 month in food for three months.

1879
02:55:46,880 --> 02:55:47,860
No, we haven't yet.

1880
02:55:48,220 --> 02:55:52,780
So we've been doing that for several years, but they rely on that for their program.

1881
02:55:53,420 --> 02:55:59,560
And normally, we would have had the vote, we would have had the council discussion on the vote on all the requests.

1882
02:55:59,740 --> 02:56:07,800
Teller, that's a very complex and time-consuming process and we've had so many items on the agenda this past month that we just haven't been able to cover it.

1883
02:56:07,860 --> 02:56:13,260
So this is just requesting an exception here so we can identify these two time critical requests.

1884
02:56:15,610 --> 02:56:17,310
Do you need any other information doctor out of here?

1885
02:56:17,310 --> 02:56:26,230
I just want to confirm that it's 9,000 for well in the desert, and then P.S. Pride, that 9,000, that's what it was.

1886
02:56:26,310 --> 02:56:34,730
Last year was 85 and waiver fees, and so is this in waiver fees and expenses that the city occurs up to?

1887
02:56:35,810 --> 02:56:37,710
Does it have an actual cash?

1888
02:56:39,550 --> 02:56:44,450
It's budget because there are payment for our police and those kind of costs.

1889
02:56:45,210 --> 02:56:46,290
It's all in cash.

1890
02:56:47,430 --> 02:56:49,170
You're not asking for cash contribution?

1891
02:56:50,290 --> 02:56:52,470
No, they're not asking for cash contribution.

1892
02:56:53,570 --> 02:56:56,970
So, is this not on the specific agenda this evening?

1893
02:56:57,170 --> 02:57:03,610
What I would recommend, the budget committee has raised the issue with some general direction to me,

1894
02:57:03,710 --> 02:57:11,290
what I will do is I will send a notice to these organizations indicating that when Council does

1895
02:57:11,290 --> 02:57:16,390
Council will actually formally take the take up the measure when they vote on these which

1896
02:57:16,390 --> 02:57:22,250
would be a supposed in September, but then they could rely in theory on my letter that

1897
02:57:22,250 --> 02:57:24,010
Council ultimately will approve this.

1898
02:57:26,190 --> 02:57:27,730
Sort of an IOU, yes.

1899
02:57:27,970 --> 02:57:29,570
And then just a couple other things.

1900
02:57:29,950 --> 02:57:37,490
Just make sure they'll probably be the matching grant request from Desit Healthcare District

1901
02:57:37,490 --> 02:57:39,450
will be coming sometime between now.

1902
02:57:39,450 --> 02:57:45,790
And when we come back, I think the money is already in the budget to cover the half a million

1903
02:57:45,790 --> 02:57:49,690
or so they're going to be giving us to match, but I just wanted to highlight that that

1904
02:57:49,690 --> 02:57:52,550
will be coming, they think probably within a week or two,

1905
02:57:55,290 --> 02:57:58,250
given how long it takes to add police officers,

1906
02:57:59,430 --> 02:58:07,530
can the process start now as so if we decide to add positions based on funding, you're ready to do it.

1907
02:58:08,530 --> 02:58:13,950
Yeah, the recruitment period will take at least two to three months, so what we would do

1908
02:58:13,950 --> 02:58:19,710
is we will begin that immediately on the additional officers that the chief has indicated

1909
02:58:20,350 --> 02:58:24,490
and presumably, obviously, by the time the election occurs, we'll know if we have that time.

1910
02:58:24,750 --> 02:58:24,890
Okay.

1911
02:58:25,330 --> 02:58:29,590
And given there currently, you know, down about 15 officers, not because people are out

1912
02:58:29,590 --> 02:58:34,790
on medical, even other things, we don't want to risk them getting even more short-staffed.

1913
02:58:34,790 --> 02:58:39,850
that the police chief had recommended for new officers and two community service officers.

1914
02:58:40,650 --> 02:58:43,390
So we can start that recruitment immediately.

1915
02:58:43,870 --> 02:58:44,450
Thank you.

1916
02:58:44,710 --> 02:58:49,890
And then I just want to add sort of the mayor's set about us really being thoughtful and

1917
02:58:49,890 --> 02:58:56,250
how we're approaching the CalPERS issues and separate from any ballot measure.

1918
02:58:56,310 --> 02:59:02,590
We're still looking at what wise cuts will be and where there's areas that we can make cuts

1919
02:59:02,590 --> 02:59:09,490
that are the least painful and one area I just want to touch on is Dr. Eddie and I have been

1920
02:59:09,490 --> 02:59:14,090
meeting with the school district on our youth parks and rex program, which is a pretty

1921
02:59:14,090 --> 02:59:21,850
big expense for us as far as tiny tauts, tutoring after school and the school district is

1922
02:59:21,850 --> 02:59:26,530
really interested and actually excited about the possibility of taking and running those programs

1923
02:59:26,530 --> 02:59:32,150
at their expense. Their issue has been they need facilities. So if they can use

1924
02:59:32,150 --> 02:59:38,050
our facilities to run them, they get grants for this and actually our facilities are

1925
02:59:38,050 --> 02:59:43,770
not licensed for the youth because they don't meet state criteria, they will actually

1926
02:59:43,770 --> 02:59:49,530
get money to upgrade our facilities, James O'Jesse, to move the leisure center to do this.

1927
02:59:50,170 --> 02:59:54,230
So it's really promising you could save us a lot of money and actually provide school

1928
02:59:54,230 --> 02:59:59,270
personnel to run these programs. So we have people who understood, doing homework, helping

1929
02:59:59,270 --> 02:59:59,950
on homework and too.

1930
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,920
During who actually know the curriculum, and I think it's a real exciting opportunity, and I think

1931
03:00:04,920 --> 03:00:10,280
the partnership we have with the new superintendent in moving this forward, I think is really

1932
03:00:10,280 --> 03:00:14,980
going to vote well, and we're also doing a fee study on parks and wrecks, and we're also doing

1933
03:00:14,980 --> 03:00:21,100
a fee study, and in September we'll be getting a report on ways to reduce the expense and

1934
03:00:21,100 --> 03:00:26,280
hopefully bring in revenue to offset the expense for the buzz. So we are continuing to look

1935
03:00:26,280 --> 03:00:28,800
at smart ways to make cuts.

1936
03:00:29,140 --> 03:00:30,160
It's not just all that spending.

1937
03:00:31,000 --> 03:00:31,600
So that's all I have.

1938
03:00:31,740 --> 03:00:32,420
Thank you.

1939
03:00:32,520 --> 03:00:33,300
Any questions?

1940
03:00:34,000 --> 03:00:35,060
Before we move on?

1941
03:00:35,440 --> 03:00:37,200
OK, next item, item 5A.

1942
03:00:37,200 --> 03:00:39,440
Mr. Mayor, before you proceed to 5A, I apologize.

1943
03:00:39,680 --> 03:00:42,580
We neglected to cover 3D, which is part of your amended agenda.

1944
03:00:43,200 --> 03:00:45,280
The staff report will take about 13 seconds.

1945
03:00:47,360 --> 03:00:48,180
3D, I'm sorry.

1946
03:00:49,380 --> 03:00:50,720
OK, that's the amended agenda.

1947
03:00:51,000 --> 03:00:51,640
That's not your fault.

1948
03:00:51,780 --> 03:00:53,020
It's part of the amended agenda.

1949
03:00:54,260 --> 03:00:55,920
OK, 3D establishing procedures

1950
03:00:55,920 --> 03:01:00,400
for filing written arguments regarding two city measures at the November 7, 2017 General Municipal

1951
03:01:00,400 --> 03:01:00,980
election.

1952
03:01:01,440 --> 03:01:05,640
A general transaction is used taxed in a cannabis business activity and cultivation tax

1953
03:01:05,640 --> 03:01:09,640
in directing the city attorney to prepare impartial analysis for both measures to

1954
03:01:09,640 --> 03:01:09,900
afford.

1955
03:01:10,740 --> 03:01:13,800
Mr. Mayor, members of the council, this is a formality pursuant to the elections code

1956
03:01:13,800 --> 03:01:14,800
urge you to adopt the resolution.

1957
03:01:15,520 --> 03:01:16,600
Thank you.

1958
03:01:16,700 --> 03:01:17,860
Motion's have made in seconded.

1959
03:01:17,920 --> 03:01:18,680
Motion's on the floor.

1960
03:01:18,840 --> 03:01:19,260
City clerk.

1961
03:01:19,940 --> 03:01:20,820
Council Member Cores.

1962
03:01:21,620 --> 03:01:22,440
Council Member Mills.

1963
03:01:23,300 --> 03:01:24,120
Council Member Roberts.

1964
03:01:24,380 --> 03:01:24,640
Yes.

1965
03:01:24,640 --> 03:01:27,400
Mayor Pro Temphote, Mayor Moon.

1966
03:01:28,100 --> 03:01:29,460
Approved 5-0.

1967
03:01:31,570 --> 03:01:32,330
Thank you, Mr. Cuckon.

1968
03:01:32,950 --> 03:01:34,070
Next, item 5A.

1969
03:01:34,230 --> 03:01:35,450
Request for Council Member review.

1970
03:01:35,710 --> 03:01:37,530
Procedure to Palm Springs, zoning code,

1971
03:01:37,770 --> 03:01:39,350
Section 94.10.00.

1972
03:01:39,730 --> 03:01:42,450
Action by the Planning Commission to approve sign programs.

1973
03:01:42,970 --> 03:01:44,930
For the multi-tenant buildings located on Block B.

1974
03:01:44,950 --> 03:01:47,270
And see you within the downtown Palm Springs facility.

1975
03:01:47,990 --> 03:01:49,730
And at 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-7-5.

1976
03:01:49,770 --> 03:01:52,530
North Palm Canyon Drive, sign program case numbers,

1977
03:01:52,690 --> 03:01:55,930
70-002 and 17-003 staff report please.

1978
03:01:55,930 --> 03:01:57,910
Thank you, Mr. Mayor and Council.

1979
03:01:58,310 --> 03:02:04,270
Tonight we're going to view a brief overview of the sign program that was reviewed and approved by the Planning Commission.

1980
03:02:04,850 --> 03:02:11,110
With us, tonight is David Null, our associate planner, who's intimately aware with the downtown project.

1981
03:02:11,530 --> 03:02:17,610
And we also have the representative from best signs who can go into the details of the sign program.

1982
03:02:17,830 --> 03:02:22,990
As noted in the staff report, there were certain conditions required by the Planning Commission,

1983
03:02:22,990 --> 03:02:29,550
which differ with the desires of the developer at the request of Council Member Mills.

1984
03:02:29,590 --> 03:02:35,850
This was brought up as a Council Member call up for you to reconsider the sign program.

1985
03:02:36,090 --> 03:02:42,250
So with that, I'll turn it over to David Null and ask that the PowerPoint starting with slide five.

1986
03:02:42,630 --> 03:02:43,450
Thank you.

1987
03:02:43,870 --> 03:02:47,010
I'm sorry, prior to do that, just a question of order.

1988
03:02:48,270 --> 03:02:52,710
This was, was this appeal by the applicant?

1989
03:02:53,610 --> 03:02:58,910
It, it was, but then that was withdrawn because, uh, concurrently, the council member

1990
03:02:58,910 --> 03:03:03,030
Mills called it up under his, um, under his authority under the code.

1991
03:03:03,670 --> 03:03:05,630
So what are our options with that?

1992
03:03:05,630 --> 03:03:10,670
The, the entire program is subject to your review as it was reviewed by the Planning Commission.

1993
03:03:10,850 --> 03:03:15,490
So the Planning Commission's just as the prior council member call up item,

1994
03:03:15,490 --> 03:03:19,930
the Planning Commission's actions have been set aside pending your action tonight.

1995
03:03:20,270 --> 03:03:23,050
Should I have Council Member Mills tell us why you called it up?

1996
03:03:23,230 --> 03:03:24,230
Yeah, I'd like that.

1997
03:03:24,370 --> 03:03:25,010
Council Member Mills?

1998
03:03:25,970 --> 03:03:31,530
Actually, Mayor, I called it up prior to the applicant.

1999
03:03:31,710 --> 03:03:34,910
I don't think he knew I did before he filed his appeal.

2000
03:03:34,910 --> 03:04:02,930
But I saw the recommendations from planning and disagreed with some of the comments and at H&M especially is a one that hit me the hardest and then after that and that was really what my feel was based on was that one item

2001
03:04:02,930 --> 03:04:13,510
But then, in looking at the other items that when I looked in detail, then I think we should look at the entire program.

2002
03:04:14,070 --> 03:04:15,630
Okay, but is the applicant here?

2003
03:04:15,870 --> 03:04:21,230
I mean, I understand you didn't like some of it, but I'd be real interested in the applicant's take on that.

2004
03:04:21,410 --> 03:04:27,410
It's written in his appeal letter and that, but he withdrew his appeal.

2005
03:04:28,410 --> 03:04:56,250
But his appeal letter is part of our staff report, and I agree with all the items, not completely, but mostly the items that he had brought up, I think it's important to realize that this project is a different kind of product project.

2006
03:04:57,410 --> 03:04:59,990
within the city, attracting...

2007
03:05:02,970 --> 03:05:29,410
Or major retailers that do have brands. And also, the way I saw what the planning commission was doing in their approval was trying to standardize everything and make all the signage, particularly in the case of blade signing, all exactly the same, which to my feeling is not the way it should be.

2008
03:05:29,410 --> 03:05:39,270
Each store should be able to have its own own identity with within our ordinance or with within the format,

2009
03:05:39,650 --> 03:05:49,730
but they are the way that I read what was approved by planning was they were attempting to standardize everything,

2010
03:05:49,730 --> 03:05:58,470
block by block. And that, to me, is not what this project is about. It's about bringing interest

2011
03:05:58,470 --> 03:06:07,650
to it. I mean, we looked at, I look at scientists being just as important to the project

2012
03:06:07,650 --> 03:06:14,610
as whatever the architecture is. Probably more important, because it's at more at the human

2013
03:06:14,610 --> 03:06:22,710
scale. So I thought it important that we allow some flexibility, and it's not the flexibility

2014
03:06:22,710 --> 03:06:28,690
flexibility within our ordinance. So still keeping the same sizes and requirements,

2015
03:06:29,270 --> 03:06:37,970
but not dictating what the type of sign is. And so that's really what the question

2016
03:06:37,970 --> 03:06:43,090
about not any, anyone that's not attended its face right now, that sign is still going to

2017
03:06:43,090 --> 03:06:51,650
need to come in for review, as separate, sorry from this deals with the ones that are

2018
03:06:51,650 --> 03:06:56,130
teneted spaces that teneted as a word, and that's what this deals with.

2019
03:06:59,730 --> 03:07:04,450
And it establishes the parameters for those other spaces to come into.

2020
03:07:05,290 --> 03:07:12,730
One of the buildings, I think it's in the, was the original program and the design had an

2021
03:07:12,730 --> 03:07:22,430
of which the tenant was allowed to do whatever he wants, within that space, and that space

2022
03:07:22,430 --> 03:07:31,370
is well within the compines of what our ordinance is, but if I understand what was approved

2023
03:07:31,370 --> 03:07:37,750
by Plano Commission, it was dictating the type of sign that went in that space, and that's

2024
03:07:37,750 --> 03:07:38,710
what I did in the group.

2025
03:07:38,710 --> 03:07:42,850
with. When I say type the construction and the lighting.

2026
03:07:45,640 --> 03:07:47,880
No, no. No. This is, this is a

2027
03:07:47,880 --> 03:07:53,840
sign program. You can dictate any, any, any, anything you want. But we look at it at a case

2028
03:07:53,840 --> 03:08:00,700
by case basis. We're not saying, store A, they're in the same block, store A and store B have

2029
03:08:00,700 --> 03:08:05,900
to have the same type of construction of a sign. That's what this is saying if I understand

2030
03:08:06,400 --> 03:08:06,880
it.

2031
03:08:06,880 --> 03:08:08,960
Why don't we hear from David?

2032
03:08:10,810 --> 03:08:10,910
Okay.

2033
03:08:11,590 --> 03:08:12,970
Yes, Mr. Mayor and Council members.

2034
03:08:13,930 --> 03:08:16,950
So what I have here on the screen before you is just an

2035
03:08:16,950 --> 03:08:20,370
elevation of one of the exhibits shown in the sign program.

2036
03:08:20,850 --> 03:08:25,350
It identifies the three types of signage signs that would be

2037
03:08:25,350 --> 03:08:27,410
permitted under the sign program.

2038
03:08:27,670 --> 03:08:30,170
You have the primary identification sign, which is above the

2039
03:08:30,170 --> 03:08:30,630
onnings.

2040
03:08:31,690 --> 03:08:34,870
And you see those are within kind of a frame popped out

2041
03:08:35,770 --> 03:08:37,810
that extends from the face of the building.

2042
03:08:38,610 --> 03:08:41,970
And then the other two identification signs are your blade signs,

2043
03:08:42,390 --> 03:08:45,230
and then a window sign, which is not depicted in this exhibit,

2044
03:08:45,430 --> 03:08:48,170
but it would be essentially an alternating window.

2045
03:08:49,530 --> 03:08:53,090
I should note, you have a printout of this in your yellow folder as well,

2046
03:08:53,230 --> 03:08:54,350
if you want to follow along.

2047
03:08:55,050 --> 03:08:56,270
This is page five.

2048
03:08:59,510 --> 03:09:01,210
So, specifically for Block B,

2049
03:09:02,050 --> 03:09:04,630
each Block B, the building on Block B, the two-story building

2050
03:09:04,630 --> 03:09:08,430
has its own time program, and then the building on Block C has its own time program.

2051
03:09:08,710 --> 03:09:10,970
So we'll focus on Block B right now.

2052
03:09:12,690 --> 03:09:18,790
So what is being requested with this time program are duplicate signs on the same elevation.

2053
03:09:19,830 --> 03:09:25,910
You see, when it exhibits the free people tenant has two signs on the same elevation, but

2054
03:09:25,910 --> 03:09:28,630
they are both within the frame of pop out area.

2055
03:09:29,390 --> 03:09:34,990
They are also requesting various types of signs in three locations, as I mentioned, the primary

2056
03:09:34,990 --> 03:09:37,750
identification sign, the blade sign, and the window signs.

2057
03:09:38,410 --> 03:09:43,070
Normally, in our downtown ordinance, we limit signage to two types, which would be an individual

2058
03:09:43,070 --> 03:09:47,690
letter, primary sign, and maybe a blade sign, but not all three signs.

2059
03:09:47,870 --> 03:09:52,230
So that is a request that's being a deviation that's being requested.

2060
03:09:52,950 --> 03:09:57,170
And then finally, they are also requesting sizes that do exceed the downtown sign ordinance

2061
03:09:57,170 --> 03:09:59,250
in terms of the litter height, the area.

2062
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:11,240
And the maximum widths. When staff reviewed this, we looked at a comparison with block A to see what has been approved.

2063
03:10:12,480 --> 03:10:21,260
And so, essentially, what this table shows is some of the comparisons between the program for block A and then the comparison with block B.

2064
03:10:23,720 --> 03:10:30,980
It's very similar that some of the changes are that you do have a higher letter being requested,

2065
03:10:31,700 --> 03:10:39,540
potentially up to 38 inches in this block versus the 22 that was approved as well as the 36 for West Island.

2066
03:10:44,080 --> 03:10:53,060
When the planning commission reviewed this item, they did make certain restrictions to the program when they held their discussion.

2067
03:10:53,780 --> 03:10:59,320
They allowed the signs as they were shown, except as modified by these conditions.

2068
03:10:59,500 --> 03:11:06,360
Basically, they wanted all future tenants to return with their signage package to the AC and planning commission.

2069
03:11:07,700 --> 03:11:13,180
We staff recommended that they allowed a provision for a tenant to be approved at the administrative staff level,

2070
03:11:13,740 --> 03:11:19,500
and that would be if it met certain criteria that was consistent with our downtown ordinance.

2071
03:11:21,880 --> 03:11:25,820
The commission also, which is consistent with the AAC,

2072
03:11:25,900 --> 03:11:29,080
restricted the blade signs to two foot by three feet,

2073
03:11:31,070 --> 03:11:34,430
and that final design would be approved by the director.

2074
03:11:35,410 --> 03:11:37,090
The applicant is opposed to this limitation.

2075
03:11:37,350 --> 03:11:41,950
They do not wish to restrict the dimensions of the blade sign,

2076
03:11:42,730 --> 03:11:46,410
and note that there are some issues with its installation

2077
03:11:46,410 --> 03:11:54,250
about the sidewalk because some of the overhangs would not allow for a Bladesign underneath it.

2078
03:11:54,910 --> 03:11:55,850
Excuse me, David.

2079
03:11:56,430 --> 03:12:01,350
But the applicant is not objecting to the footage, the square footage, just the proportion.

2080
03:12:04,150 --> 03:12:08,410
The sign program did propose a larger size, but they were okay with the reduced.

2081
03:12:08,530 --> 03:12:09,530
I'm confused.

2082
03:12:09,930 --> 03:12:12,630
The proportion versus the square footage.

2083
03:12:12,630 --> 03:12:15,990
the dimensions versus the area, the total area.

2084
03:12:16,250 --> 03:12:18,830
So in other words, our downtown side nords actually

2085
03:12:18,830 --> 03:12:21,550
allows a 12-foot square sign.

2086
03:12:23,250 --> 03:12:25,350
We're not talking about the bleed signs right now.

2087
03:12:25,510 --> 03:12:26,530
Yes, we're talking about the bleed signs.

2088
03:12:27,310 --> 03:12:30,330
OK, so they're 24 inches by 30, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 2, 6,

2089
03:12:30,330 --> 03:12:31,270
square feet.

2090
03:12:31,990 --> 03:12:32,610
I have a mispoke.

2091
03:12:33,010 --> 03:12:35,870
Our downtown ordnance allows nine square feet.

2092
03:12:37,070 --> 03:12:40,070
But they also, the applicant, does note that they would

2093
03:12:40,070 --> 03:12:45,710
allow, like, allowance to go beyond the three feet and width for the blade versus just the

2094
03:12:45,710 --> 03:12:47,150
limitation to three feet.

2095
03:12:47,170 --> 03:12:51,850
But the square footage does not exceed whatever they allow, but that's right.

2096
03:12:52,450 --> 03:12:55,010
So, it may be four foot long instead of three feet long.

2097
03:12:55,190 --> 03:12:55,250
Right.

2098
03:12:55,250 --> 03:12:55,910
Maybe you're in longer.

2099
03:12:57,770 --> 03:12:57,930
Yeah.

2100
03:12:58,090 --> 03:12:58,690
That's exactly right.

2101
03:12:58,710 --> 03:13:02,310
In the issue here, we're going to ensure there's adequate clearance for pedestrians

2102
03:13:02,310 --> 03:13:09,770
under the overhangs where there's not a larger height between the canopy and the side.

2103
03:13:09,770 --> 03:13:17,090
Okay, so the idea is that if you're walking down the street, the blade signs can be changing shape and heights and so forth.

2104
03:13:17,530 --> 03:13:24,630
Right. And one of the other discussion items that the plank machine had was the width by which the sign can be installed.

2105
03:13:25,430 --> 03:13:31,310
The commission felt that the pop out itself should be the maximum 75% and so that was their action.

2106
03:13:31,310 --> 03:13:36,810
Whereas typically when we say 75% of your store front, it can be the whole store front.

2107
03:13:37,630 --> 03:13:43,390
So in this case, the pop-out is only a portion of the store front where you have a tenant

2108
03:13:43,390 --> 03:13:47,910
that extends beyond that pop-out, which would get an additional width that could be applied

2109
03:13:47,910 --> 03:13:50,130
within that pop-framed pop-out area.

2110
03:13:51,490 --> 03:13:55,470
So I do know that in speaking with the applicant, they are opposed to this requirement

2111
03:13:55,470 --> 03:14:00,670
that the pop-out, you know, 75% is within just the pop-out area, because they do have

2112
03:14:00,670 --> 03:14:14,250
signs that, as you see in this exhibit here, we're, for instance, the Francesca's would not meet the criteria for 75% it's going to be probably closer to 85 or 90%

2113
03:14:18,540 --> 03:14:21,020
and then lastly they prohibited cabinet signs.

2114
03:14:22,200 --> 03:14:23,840
So their preferences for individual letters.

2115
03:14:24,040 --> 03:14:26,620
Can you explain what a cabinet sign is?

2116
03:14:26,620 --> 03:14:37,780
So cabinet signs, basically, if I can probably point to your attention to your design program

2117
03:14:37,780 --> 03:14:38,360
package.

2118
03:14:38,600 --> 03:14:44,520
It's one piece, Jenny versus individual services, essentially all the letters and everything

2119
03:14:44,520 --> 03:14:48,580
would be within a cabinet as opposed to the individual channel letters that you see.

2120
03:14:48,680 --> 03:14:53,280
Generally, we went from the inside to the box with the lettering on the outside of it.

2121
03:14:53,660 --> 03:14:55,840
But the applicant agreed on that one, though, didn't he?

2122
03:14:57,040 --> 03:14:57,880
They were okay with that.

2123
03:14:58,060 --> 03:14:58,820
Yeah, they were okay with that.

2124
03:14:58,860 --> 03:14:59,960
The new sign ordinances face.

2125
03:15:04,880 --> 03:15:12,580
There was nothing right. So the halo illuminated letter was specifically for block C, which what?

2126
03:15:13,000 --> 03:15:28,400
Only for block C. Because in this case, some of the pop outs themselves could be translucent. So potentially that would not serve, would not serve for a backlet sign.

2127
03:15:30,380 --> 03:15:42,140
So, basically they want to be able to fill more of the space for their sign, they want to take up more of the architectural front with size and they want to change the shape of their blade sign.

2128
03:15:42,460 --> 03:15:44,460
Those are the two big issues.

2129
03:15:45,640 --> 03:15:46,880
Well, I believe there's one other.

2130
03:15:47,020 --> 03:16:00,100
I mean, like on Starbucks, if you look at Blaze Pizza, they have a logo and they also have letters on the ledge, says Blaze Pizza, which is basically what Starbucks wants to do.

2131
03:16:00,100 --> 03:16:03,220
And this is saying they can't do that, they can only have one sign.

2132
03:16:04,060 --> 03:16:07,160
So it's not consistent Starbucks as it is with Blaze Pizza.

2133
03:16:07,900 --> 03:16:09,480
So that's a difference between Block A and Block C,

2134
03:16:09,560 --> 03:16:11,460
which doesn't seem quite fair.

2135
03:16:11,980 --> 03:16:14,200
Well, the planning commission gave a reason for that.

2136
03:16:14,280 --> 03:16:18,640
And it had to do with the architecture of the two buildings themselves.

2137
03:16:18,820 --> 03:16:19,720
Isn't that correct, David?

2138
03:16:20,120 --> 03:16:22,740
Can you describe why they allowed that for Blaze?

2139
03:16:23,300 --> 03:16:26,460
And they yet they don't want to allow for A, that's not for no reason.

2140
03:16:27,040 --> 03:16:32,700
So, all of this right here that I've just gone over is really only for Block B. So it's strictly for Block B.

2141
03:16:33,920 --> 03:16:37,700
Okay. So, if there's any other questions on B.

2142
03:16:38,060 --> 03:16:40,640
Well, I mean, the mayor asked a very interesting question.

2143
03:16:41,480 --> 03:16:45,480
Right. Why are we allowing one type of signage on one building and not on another?

2144
03:16:45,760 --> 03:16:47,160
And there's they have a reason for that.

2145
03:16:47,580 --> 03:16:50,800
And I kind of know the reason, but I'd rather you define it.

2146
03:16:50,800 --> 03:17:19,080
Well, and so when we move on to Block C, basically, when you look at the, for instance, the H&M sign on Block C, there is, that's going to be applying to a stucco surface and would allow for a backlit tail of type of a light backlit water backlit or not and not allow and based on the size that was presented in the color of being what it was.

2147
03:17:19,080 --> 03:17:23,240
There was some concern about its brightness and appearance on the street.

2148
03:17:23,700 --> 03:17:32,440
So this, so what H&M is willing to do is what we are seeing in under additional materials that we got in our yellow packet.

2149
03:17:33,180 --> 03:17:35,340
Where they're showing it is a backlit letter.

2150
03:17:35,780 --> 03:17:40,340
That was something that staff had prepared to see what other jurisdictions had approved.

2151
03:17:40,760 --> 03:17:42,540
But H&M is okay to go with this.

2152
03:17:42,780 --> 03:17:46,060
H&M is preferred is requesting to have a front lit letter.

2153
03:17:46,060 --> 03:17:52,300
They are requesting it, but it shows that they're using backlit and other environment, correct?

2154
03:17:52,580 --> 03:17:54,140
But that's contrary to the conditions act.

2155
03:17:55,040 --> 03:17:56,270
This is a new yellow packet.

2156
03:17:57,160 --> 03:17:57,980
Is it for this?

2157
03:17:58,200 --> 03:17:59,480
No, no, it's all by itself.

2158
03:17:59,600 --> 03:18:01,760
Chinese looks just like that on the front.

2159
03:18:02,080 --> 03:18:02,800
It's got no photo.

2160
03:18:09,040 --> 03:18:11,300
And then it's got a few images from other cities.

2161
03:18:11,480 --> 03:18:17,280
But more importantly, it shows the backlit letter versus the fully lit letter.

2162
03:18:17,780 --> 03:18:19,920
I guess they call it the halo effect, David Wright.

2163
03:18:19,920 --> 03:18:21,920
Correct, reverse channel letter

2164
03:18:23,220 --> 03:18:24,340
Farhees or

2165
03:18:24,340 --> 03:18:27,100
Halo lighting. Yeah, so

2166
03:18:27,720 --> 03:18:28,780
That's important

2167
03:18:29,560 --> 03:18:35,000
So H&M doesn't want that's they want a fully-friendly letter. Correct. All right, okay

2168
03:18:36,240 --> 03:18:42,020
So that was an exhibit that's sapphire paired just to see what other jurisdictions had approved in downtowns. Okay. Thank you

2169
03:18:42,760 --> 03:18:46,640
No, it's long as we're on this out of these are not main signs these are like

2170
03:18:46,640 --> 03:18:48,720
It's probably signs that our organs wouldn't allow.

2171
03:18:48,880 --> 03:18:52,900
These are not main H&M signs for the court of the business.

2172
03:18:53,540 --> 03:18:55,440
Those you'll see in the staff report.

2173
03:18:56,120 --> 03:18:59,080
This is actually looking at the other page, Chris, the Whitsign.

2174
03:18:59,600 --> 03:19:02,140
How they were open that up.

2175
03:19:02,620 --> 03:19:04,900
That's what I was looking at.

2176
03:19:05,180 --> 03:19:06,320
Oh, those are our main signs.

2177
03:19:06,420 --> 03:19:07,560
Those are main signs.

2178
03:19:07,680 --> 03:19:08,940
Those are the same font.

2179
03:19:09,360 --> 03:19:10,880
Those look like a similar size.

2180
03:19:11,080 --> 03:19:11,880
They're just backlit.

2181
03:19:12,220 --> 03:19:15,420
So I'm fascinated why H&M doesn't want to do that.

2182
03:19:15,420 --> 03:19:23,640
Why they don't want to do that now, I mean, I'm going to say I far prefer this halo lighting over the fully lit letter.

2183
03:19:23,660 --> 03:19:27,540
Probably because they didn't once did it once and didn't like it.

2184
03:19:27,680 --> 03:19:31,160
Hmm, too bad we saw it.

2185
03:19:31,400 --> 03:19:36,720
The age of the design companies here maybe they know what the reason is for that.

2186
03:19:37,360 --> 03:19:43,500
Could you come up and tell us what the reason is that H&M doesn't like this, because I kind of like this.

2187
03:19:45,120 --> 03:19:51,460
We're really screwing up Davis report here, because we're jumping for A to B to C to B to C.

2188
03:19:51,720 --> 03:19:56,000
If it's sorry, it was just so confusing building to building and reason to reason.

2189
03:19:56,500 --> 03:20:00,000
That's why I would like to hear from Jim on this, you know, and get...

2190
03:20:00,460 --> 03:20:01,560
Get us paid.

2191
03:20:03,670 --> 03:20:03,790
Sure.

2192
03:20:03,910 --> 03:20:07,370
About why H&M doesn't want the back of it?

2193
03:20:09,190 --> 03:20:14,010
I, I, gem of the signs, I appreciate the opportunity to help resolve the issue.

2194
03:20:15,310 --> 03:20:20,890
I can, I can appreciate that H&M is getting all of the, all of the, the plate time here.

2195
03:20:21,610 --> 03:20:28,230
But the issue is not so much H&M. The issue is that this building has many tenants, not just one tenant.

2196
03:20:28,230 --> 03:20:51,670
And what the, what the, the clinic commission recommended, and then they voted, and then they adopted is that all tenants must have a reverse channel letter, in which no other block, or any other, any other portion of downtown is being restricted to.

2197
03:20:51,670 --> 03:20:59,850
The images that you are seeing in regard to H&M, it's entirely possible that some of them have

2198
03:20:59,850 --> 03:21:10,090
been up for many years prior to the establishing their definitive protocol that they

2199
03:21:10,090 --> 03:21:11,450
went their signage to look like.

2200
03:21:11,490 --> 03:21:21,650
I was fortunate enough to recently take a three week trip to Europe and I'll be damned if my

2201
03:21:21,650 --> 03:21:26,050
at the airport in Dusseldorf, and I'll be damned if I've never seen one of those signs.

2202
03:21:26,410 --> 03:21:29,850
I even took pictures of them, they're all lit through the face, so they're serious about

2203
03:21:29,850 --> 03:21:36,330
the brand, but once again, I don't want us to focus on H&M, a match, as design their signs,

2204
03:21:36,510 --> 03:21:40,010
so that their sign is a black background with white letters.

2205
03:21:40,170 --> 03:21:43,250
So, Jim, can I just focus you for a minute?

2206
03:21:43,770 --> 03:21:46,650
Can you answer the one question specifically?

2207
03:21:47,250 --> 03:21:52,850
Why H&M doesn't want to do the same backlighting

2208
03:21:52,850 --> 03:21:54,390
that they didn't send or you've just thought

2209
03:21:54,390 --> 03:21:55,510
that we have a photo of?

2210
03:21:56,010 --> 03:21:59,810
It is inconsistent with their signage guidelines.

2211
03:22:01,090 --> 03:22:04,530
Whether they are established in 2015 or 2014,

2212
03:22:04,690 --> 03:22:06,230
I can't speak for sure.

2213
03:22:06,570 --> 03:22:08,370
But I do know that their signage guidelines

2214
03:22:08,370 --> 03:22:18,650
current today do not allow a reverse halo lit letter. I can also, and I thought to bring

2215
03:22:18,650 --> 03:22:27,850
a reverse lit letter a halo letter with me, so I can, I can explain why they are concerned

2216
03:22:28,370 --> 03:22:36,370
because a halo letter essentially silhouettes the letter. And if you do look at, when

2217
03:22:36,370 --> 03:22:41,610
If you have a letter that is straight on, you're able to distinguish what that letter form

2218
03:22:41,610 --> 03:22:42,190
is.

2219
03:22:42,550 --> 03:22:48,390
And a reverse or a hilly letter works best when it sits back from the street to allow you

2220
03:22:48,390 --> 03:22:50,950
to distinguish that letter form.

2221
03:22:51,690 --> 03:22:55,730
When that letter is pulled up too close to the street, we all know that this building is close

2222
03:22:55,730 --> 03:23:04,510
to the street, and we are traveling southbound or eastbound, that we are seeing this letter

2223
03:23:04,510 --> 03:23:05,190
at an angle.

2224
03:23:05,190 --> 03:23:10,910
We're seeing the side as much as we are from the face and we won't be able to make out the letter form

2225
03:23:11,510 --> 03:23:13,630
Once again, I did bring a reverse letter

2226
03:23:13,630 --> 03:23:19,170
I got it right here in this in this backpack and I can show you exactly what I'm what I'm I'm what I'm talking about

2227
03:23:19,730 --> 03:23:26,890
But the thing is is that is that plan commission and bear in mind that this went through architectural advisory committee

2228
03:23:26,890 --> 03:23:35,010
And they made no distinguished or did they make any recommendation that the signage be reverse block a and block b

2229
03:23:35,190 --> 03:23:41,510
and rowing and every other sign within the city is allowed us to be as creative as possible.

2230
03:23:42,090 --> 03:23:45,310
I'm standing before you saying, I like reverse channeleters also.

2231
03:23:45,890 --> 03:23:52,490
In many cases, if there is a, if Rolex or Tynex comes in, I promise you, they're going to have a fancy,

2232
03:23:52,490 --> 03:23:57,850
Polish gold face and a Polish gold return and they're probably going to be a reverse lit letter.

2233
03:23:58,830 --> 03:24:03,830
But there's going to be other applications such as Tommy, Tommy Bahamas, Mac,

2234
03:24:05,370 --> 03:24:06,630
Heal, some of these other letters.

2235
03:24:07,530 --> 03:24:12,810
All of these people have already designed their, their facades based upon what was approved

2236
03:24:12,810 --> 03:24:20,910
in Block A. So I know that H&M would prefer to have their sign lit through the face.

2237
03:24:21,230 --> 03:24:22,270
That's why they sent us a letter.

2238
03:24:22,310 --> 03:24:23,490
Jim, can I interrupt you again?

2239
03:24:23,730 --> 03:24:24,050
Of course.

2240
03:24:24,350 --> 03:24:25,010
David, I'm sorry.

2241
03:24:25,090 --> 03:24:27,070
I never let you answer the question we asked.

2242
03:24:27,110 --> 03:24:28,650
This is important right now.

2243
03:24:29,190 --> 03:24:33,590
Why did the planning commission approve what they approved in A?

2244
03:24:33,590 --> 03:24:38,250
But don't now want to approve that and be in C, I think that's really important.

2245
03:24:40,230 --> 03:24:45,050
Well, the Hale-Litt letter is only for Block C.

2246
03:24:45,750 --> 03:24:47,430
So that was specific to this block.

2247
03:24:48,150 --> 03:24:51,010
The planning commission, when they were considering this application,

2248
03:24:51,770 --> 03:24:56,430
took into consideration the fact that the sign was about five or six feet in height,

2249
03:24:57,210 --> 03:24:59,950
The lighting at the same, potentially, could be...

2250
03:25:00,620 --> 03:25:04,540
Does, and felt that the reverse halo lit would be more appropriate.

2251
03:25:05,200 --> 03:25:09,340
But why did they allow a different sign on A? That's what I'm trying to understand.

2252
03:25:10,020 --> 03:25:18,440
In other words, Jim's saying that something was allowed on A, and you're saying that that they now don't want to allow on B and C, that I think it's really important.

2253
03:25:19,220 --> 03:25:24,740
With A, the signs are on the top of the awning, and this instance, the sign was applied to the face of the building.

2254
03:25:24,740 --> 03:25:36,040
Okay. Thank you. So that's what I thought it was. It was a different. There was a difference in the structure of A. Do we have an image of A to show that and why that occurred?

2255
03:25:37,380 --> 03:25:38,660
I don't have in the exhibit.

2256
03:25:38,800 --> 03:25:42,120
Okay. That would have been helpful. So we need to understand that.

2257
03:25:42,580 --> 03:25:47,780
So there's a very specific reason they allowed one thing on A and they're not allowing it on the other buildings.

2258
03:25:47,780 --> 03:25:58,160
So I have a question also why if we have nowhere else in the city that we've done this, and we are

2259
03:25:58,160 --> 03:26:05,640
getting in major retailers and major people who have worked companies who have really worked

2260
03:26:05,640 --> 03:26:14,480
hard to distinguish their brand, and I identify with the H&M technology, because when I see H&M,

2261
03:26:14,480 --> 03:26:20,820
I know exactly what's in that store, or if I see a mermaid on a cup, I know exactly

2262
03:26:20,820 --> 03:26:22,020
I'm going in for coffee.

2263
03:26:22,500 --> 03:26:26,740
I mean, they were part to establish those brands.

2264
03:26:27,280 --> 03:26:36,020
I'm not seeing the value, or I haven't heard the value yet, of us not allowing people, not

2265
03:26:36,020 --> 03:26:40,820
allowing companies to use the brand that they work so hard to establish.

2266
03:26:40,820 --> 03:26:44,120
They're not denying them the brand.

2267
03:26:44,200 --> 03:26:46,220
They're denying them the look of the brand.

2268
03:26:46,800 --> 03:26:48,560
It's about size and lighting.

2269
03:26:48,980 --> 03:26:49,920
That's what we're talking about.

2270
03:26:49,940 --> 03:26:53,440
No, if they're not allowing that from what I read,

2271
03:26:53,620 --> 03:26:57,160
and maybe I read it incorrectly from what I read in Starbucks,

2272
03:26:57,440 --> 03:27:01,040
or since they're not allowing the Center of Logo and Starbucks.

2273
03:27:01,240 --> 03:27:01,520
Right.

2274
03:27:02,160 --> 03:27:02,600
And so.

2275
03:27:02,600 --> 03:27:04,820
They're only allowing one there, but on each of them,

2276
03:27:05,000 --> 03:27:08,000
they're allowing their font, they're allowing their size,

2277
03:27:08,420 --> 03:27:10,240
but they're not allowing their,

2278
03:27:10,240 --> 03:27:15,600
But what they're saying is backlight it instead of having it be a fully lit letter from the front

2279
03:27:16,620 --> 03:27:17,920
a big glowing letter

2280
03:27:19,220 --> 03:27:24,800
What is the size of the front what is the size of the H and M sign on the front of the building

2281
03:27:31,490 --> 03:27:32,730
send this thing here

2282
03:27:34,010 --> 03:27:38,130
Look up page 103. There's just so much talk fair. I'll pay to 103 one-off ring

2283
03:27:40,650 --> 03:27:43,150
60 inches high and 90 inches wide

2284
03:27:43,910 --> 03:27:45,550
Okay, so it's

2285
03:27:45,550 --> 03:27:54,550
1, 2, 3, 5, 5, 5, 9, what is that? 9, almost 9 feet, 5 feet by 8, 7 and a half feet.

2286
03:27:56,010 --> 03:28:01,750
70, okay. So, it's a big building. No, it's actually bigger than 7 and a half feet.

2287
03:28:01,830 --> 03:28:10,030
7 feet is 72 inches and you said 90, it's 9, 7, 12, 8, 4, plus 6 is 9, it's going to be 7 and a half

2288
03:28:10,030 --> 03:28:15,190
by five. Okay, so it's a pretty big sign. It's seven and a half feet by five feet. Okay.

2289
03:28:15,390 --> 03:28:23,630
It's a two-story building. It's pretty big. Okay. So, okay. Go on, David. That helps.

2290
03:28:25,570 --> 03:28:30,330
So, again, the halo restriction is only to what you're seeing is a block saying.

2291
03:28:30,810 --> 03:28:34,650
Block B, they did not have a restriction for the halo illumination.

2292
03:28:35,510 --> 03:28:37,690
But to move on to the block C.

2293
03:28:37,890 --> 03:28:38,990
I'm sorry David, why?

2294
03:28:39,190 --> 03:28:41,490
So why one building has one building now?

2295
03:28:41,870 --> 03:28:46,290
Because when we looked at block, when they looked at block B,

2296
03:28:46,970 --> 03:28:51,990
block B has pretty much a uniform design around all

2297
03:28:51,990 --> 03:28:53,270
sides of it.

2298
03:28:53,630 --> 03:28:57,290
And then the area where each tenant would tailor their brand

2299
03:28:57,290 --> 03:28:59,550
is within that framed pop-out area,

2300
03:29:00,090 --> 03:29:03,390
which is not, again, that's what you're looking at here.

2301
03:29:03,390 --> 03:29:16,770
So Block B has a very specific design on all four sides of the building and the tenant essentially creates their sign and whatever background template they want to use for branding in that framed area.

2302
03:29:18,110 --> 03:29:30,890
And again, potentially that could be glazing and with a glazed facade, you would not be able to do the backlit reverse light lettering because it would be going through the storefront.

2303
03:29:32,150 --> 03:29:33,930
Okay, that really helps.

2304
03:29:34,290 --> 03:29:37,230
So the issue is the glass that they're mounting on glass.

2305
03:29:38,190 --> 03:29:41,410
So you don't want to backlight it because you'll have the reflection on the glass.

2306
03:29:41,530 --> 03:29:42,030
Potentially.

2307
03:29:43,410 --> 03:29:43,850
Okay.

2308
03:29:44,030 --> 03:29:44,450
That helps.

2309
03:29:44,810 --> 03:29:45,270
Thank you.

2310
03:29:45,510 --> 03:29:59,970
So when we're looking at block C, obviously there's a number of

2311
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:05,360
Sign as is the case. So those can be back with, because they won't have the reflective issue.

2312
03:30:05,380 --> 03:30:06,220
It could have a front line.

2313
03:30:06,240 --> 03:30:10,740
They will ungloss. Okay, that helps a lot. Thank you.

2314
03:30:12,460 --> 03:30:18,460
So again, with Lock Sea, they are also requesting three types of sign, the primary sign of

2315
03:30:18,460 --> 03:30:20,600
Late Sign, and then window blazing.

2316
03:30:23,340 --> 03:30:28,620
If I can ask one question, only because we've been working on our sign ordinance,

2317
03:30:28,620 --> 03:30:30,640
since it feels like you two years

2318
03:30:30,640 --> 03:30:32,060
and haven't been on council that long.

2319
03:30:34,500 --> 03:30:35,840
But cross the street, right?

2320
03:30:36,300 --> 03:30:37,880
Whether it's a cross-bomb canyon,

2321
03:30:38,060 --> 03:30:42,010
if we think about our new sign ordinance,

2322
03:30:42,190 --> 03:30:47,030
which we can deal with, if a retailer wanted to be able to have,

2323
03:30:47,030 --> 03:30:49,210
right, their blade sign, their main sign,

2324
03:30:49,290 --> 03:30:51,870
and a window sign, that wouldn't be allowed, right?

2325
03:30:52,230 --> 03:30:52,750
Correct.

2326
03:30:53,990 --> 03:30:57,250
Our ordinance limits it to your primary identification sign,

2327
03:30:57,310 --> 03:30:58,650
which could be individual letters.

2328
03:30:59,730 --> 03:31:03,950
And then either a blade sign or window signage.

2329
03:31:04,610 --> 03:31:05,510
Right. Right. Right. Right.

2330
03:31:05,510 --> 03:31:09,550
And I guess we're part of this is one of the reasons we spent money to build roads

2331
03:31:09,550 --> 03:31:12,690
and make it feel like it's part of downtown and not a big mall is to have some

2332
03:31:13,570 --> 03:31:14,630
make it more integrated.

2333
03:31:15,130 --> 03:31:18,810
But I'm more amenable when we do the sign order and it's too loud and other downtown

2334
03:31:18,810 --> 03:31:22,330
people have the same thing as opposed to saying they shouldn't necessarily.

2335
03:31:22,930 --> 03:31:25,030
But I just want to note that.

2336
03:31:26,030 --> 03:31:35,380
It's sort of a fairness issue that I just, you know, I think I want to raise.

2337
03:31:35,860 --> 03:31:43,280
I think the issue with me is taking a building and saying all the signage of that has

2338
03:31:43,280 --> 03:31:45,100
to be backlit.

2339
03:31:45,280 --> 03:31:45,600
I agree.

2340
03:31:47,220 --> 03:31:53,180
You're going to look at one block and one block and one block and they're going to look like

2341
03:31:53,180 --> 03:31:53,880
individual blocks.

2342
03:31:53,960 --> 03:31:55,020
We're trying to blend it all.

2343
03:31:55,020 --> 03:31:57,260
And we're also trying to blend it with what's across the street.

2344
03:31:58,160 --> 03:32:03,220
And so that's what my objection is to being done the way it's done.

2345
03:32:05,950 --> 03:32:09,010
And also, and the report, a Starbucks was another issue

2346
03:32:09,010 --> 03:32:10,150
that they had concerns.

2347
03:32:10,350 --> 03:32:12,730
Because on page 103, it shows Starbucks

2348
03:32:12,730 --> 03:32:15,270
has illuminated channel letters on their Starbucks,

2349
03:32:15,470 --> 03:32:19,430
but they're round logo space, and it shows all of them

2350
03:32:19,430 --> 03:32:21,970
or below the total loud square feet.

2351
03:32:22,370 --> 03:32:25,130
That's a warm-mounted illuminated logo.

2352
03:32:25,130 --> 03:32:30,610
I mean that round, mermaid logo is not going to work if it's just lighted from behind.

2353
03:32:30,890 --> 03:32:34,690
I mean, there's not any sign in this program that comes even close to what the allowable

2354
03:32:34,690 --> 03:32:35,490
square footage is.

2355
03:32:35,710 --> 03:32:37,110
No, they're all below, they're all buried.

2356
03:32:37,310 --> 03:32:40,150
If you look at the drawings, the elevations, they all look pretty discrete.

2357
03:32:40,970 --> 03:32:45,010
When the plankers are reviewed, they essentially approve the signage as it was presented with

2358
03:32:45,010 --> 03:32:50,330
the exception of some modifications, those being the lighting, and then the restriction

2359
03:32:50,330 --> 03:32:51,910
of some of the blade signs.

2360
03:32:52,570 --> 03:32:58,830
they did not have a comment about the Starbucks signage. It was essentially reviewed.

2361
03:33:00,630 --> 03:33:04,630
So they about that to be fully, fully lit, right?

2362
03:33:06,210 --> 03:33:09,010
That's not in Halo lit sign, that's Starbucks sign.

2363
03:33:09,410 --> 03:33:11,970
Well, no, they said all signage should be Halo lit.

2364
03:33:12,030 --> 03:33:14,170
It should be Halo lit. Okay, the entire block.

2365
03:33:14,170 --> 03:33:26,270
So so I agree with you. I just want to we can pick this part all night and I agree. I think I think because of the nature of what we're putting downtown

2366
03:33:27,010 --> 03:33:33,450
These these blanket rules aren't going to work now the Starbucks sign shouldn't should not be back

2367
03:33:33,450 --> 03:33:41,410
But you won't be able to see it night. It'll just be a disk with light around it now if we were to allow the letters the Starbucks wants

2368
03:33:41,410 --> 03:33:44,070
Then Starbucks those would show up

2369
03:33:46,150 --> 03:33:56,590
And I, you know, we've all seen 1,000 Starbucks, the free standing letters are really attractive, I think, and add some dimension and character.

2370
03:33:57,730 --> 03:33:59,310
You know, I'm just going to move down the block.

2371
03:33:59,890 --> 03:34:01,390
Mac can be backlit.

2372
03:34:02,130 --> 03:34:12,030
H&M should be backlit, because those letters to me are kind of overwhelming, and sometimes those giant letters in a red could just be glarity.

2373
03:34:12,030 --> 03:34:21,190
And I think we want to avoid that, but if we need to send back a blanket statement, I think

2374
03:34:21,190 --> 03:34:25,970
I agree with you, Chris, I think that these should be taken on a case by case basis, rather

2375
03:34:25,970 --> 03:34:33,530
than having these blanket sizes and shapes, and let them just work it out on each storefront.

2376
03:34:33,950 --> 03:34:35,630
I'll talk to you already, how would that work?

2377
03:34:37,230 --> 03:34:38,950
Which is how we handle all of this story.

2378
03:34:38,950 --> 03:34:49,150
I think the planning said, and I think that the tenants, what they're submitting is the

2379
03:34:49,150 --> 03:34:50,370
tenants that have been established.

2380
03:34:51,390 --> 03:34:55,850
So the future tenants signs do come back on an individual basis.

2381
03:34:55,930 --> 03:34:59,990
We're not proving anything that doesn't mean what these drawings are.

2382
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:06,240
Or we'll show you a space that has a tenant and a space that doesn't have a tenant, just as tenant or something like that.

2383
03:35:06,520 --> 03:35:10,480
That does have to go back for a separate sign permit.

2384
03:35:16,830 --> 03:35:20,730
But they're trying to put these blanket sizes on and shapes, correct?

2385
03:35:21,690 --> 03:35:22,770
That's the problem we're having.

2386
03:35:22,790 --> 03:35:27,550
Well, the blanket sizes are only on the blade size. That's the only time.

2387
03:35:27,550 --> 03:35:32,030
By the way, I don't have any problem with that. Consistency in the blade sign. I don't really have an issue with.

2388
03:35:32,030 --> 03:35:35,230
What I have an issue with is the backlighting.

2389
03:35:36,230 --> 03:35:38,750
The lighting of these signs should be more

2390
03:35:38,750 --> 03:35:43,030
based on the sign itself, rather than doing a blanket

2391
03:35:43,030 --> 03:35:44,490
restriction on the whole building.

2392
03:35:46,190 --> 03:35:51,090
You can't tell H&M that they have one thing,

2393
03:35:52,070 --> 03:35:58,690
and then let another company starbucks do a backlit

2394
03:35:58,690 --> 03:36:00,390
until H&M they need to halo.

2395
03:36:00,390 --> 03:36:02,090
Like, doesn't make any sense to me?

2396
03:36:02,170 --> 03:36:04,410
Well, I think you can because it depends on the sign.

2397
03:36:04,610 --> 03:36:06,930
We tell different businesses downtown,

2398
03:36:07,490 --> 03:36:10,470
depending on what they bring in, different things all the time,

2399
03:36:10,810 --> 03:36:12,570
on what we think will be effective,

2400
03:36:13,070 --> 03:36:15,070
or things that we think will be glary.

2401
03:36:15,290 --> 03:36:17,530
Like I said, Starbucks is an easy one.

2402
03:36:18,010 --> 03:36:20,770
If you make them because of the nature of their signage,

2403
03:36:20,910 --> 03:36:22,550
if it's backlit, it won't show.

2404
03:36:23,170 --> 03:36:26,350
H&M's, it's proven, because we're looking at a picture of it,

2405
03:36:26,370 --> 03:36:27,990
will work perfectly backlit.

2406
03:36:28,530 --> 03:36:34,070
So, and maybe some, you know, well, I'm not, and I get a question J.R. about, I mean, look at

2407
03:36:34,070 --> 03:36:39,890
this, what we're looking at on the screen right now, as big as that H.N.M. sign may be in

2408
03:36:39,890 --> 03:36:45,190
dimension in what you're talking about, look at it on that facade. I mean, it is not overpowering,

2409
03:36:45,430 --> 03:36:51,450
is not huge, but that's what you're, that's the actual look on a 30-foot high wall.

2410
03:36:51,770 --> 03:36:55,990
Well, to me it's a little garage, and when you're, first of all, we're not standing in front

2411
03:36:55,990 --> 03:37:01,750
of it, we will never be able to see that sign from the distance that we're looking at it right

2412
03:37:01,750 --> 03:37:02,090
now.

2413
03:37:02,370 --> 03:37:07,910
When you see that sign, you're standing under it, because how close it is to the street and

2414
03:37:07,910 --> 03:37:11,890
pomechanian, you know, the only thing you can do is cross pomechanian to look at it.

2415
03:37:11,890 --> 03:37:13,210
That's a great big sign.

2416
03:37:13,750 --> 03:37:19,370
So it's going to certainly show up in the day without a problem, and I think it's shown

2417
03:37:19,370 --> 03:37:21,770
that it will show up perfectly at night.

2418
03:37:22,490 --> 03:37:25,390
I'm afraid if that size sign is fully lit,

2419
03:37:25,470 --> 03:37:27,050
it's going to be garish and glaring.

2420
03:37:27,430 --> 03:37:28,050
It's my take.

2421
03:37:32,470 --> 03:37:34,790
That sign is about the same size.

2422
03:37:34,810 --> 03:37:37,490
If you put the Starbucks circle over it,

2423
03:37:37,690 --> 03:37:39,750
they're not that far apart in size,

2424
03:37:41,610 --> 03:37:44,550
which just what everybody just said

2425
03:37:44,550 --> 03:37:47,070
that that should be a front-let's sign.

2426
03:37:48,110 --> 03:37:49,630
So anyway, I just,

2427
03:37:49,750 --> 03:37:52,530
what, what, what, okay, I think I think I'm,

2428
03:37:52,530 --> 03:37:54,010
I think I'm a little lost now.

2429
03:37:54,010 --> 03:37:58,830
What is our decision to be here because I think we're going down a rabbit hole?

2430
03:37:59,350 --> 03:38:01,930
Chris called it off Chris what is it you want here?

2431
03:38:02,810 --> 03:38:10,010
I want David and David's outlined it and David thank you very much because you put it together very well organized.

2432
03:38:10,730 --> 03:38:17,610
If you would just go through and highlight for us what the the the

2433
03:38:18,350 --> 03:38:27,670
exceptions or the exceptions that the applicant is taking to what was approved and there's

2434
03:38:27,670 --> 03:38:28,370
just a few.

2435
03:38:28,370 --> 03:38:29,450
No, wait a minute.

2436
03:38:29,750 --> 03:38:31,550
Mr. Mills, let me ask you this.

2437
03:38:31,790 --> 03:38:32,730
Could you make a motion?

2438
03:38:33,210 --> 03:38:35,870
So I know what you're wanting me to look at.

2439
03:38:36,070 --> 03:38:37,050
What is your motion?

2440
03:38:38,330 --> 03:38:42,630
I would want to make a motion.

2441
03:38:43,110 --> 03:38:45,910
Well, when I got ready to do, would be.

2442
03:38:45,910 --> 03:38:54,290
It would be number one to, I do have a question on Starbucks.

2443
03:38:54,570 --> 03:39:01,690
I need to ask Mr. Cross about that, but allow H&M as presented and allow everything in

2444
03:39:01,690 --> 03:39:07,870
block A, B and C as main identification signs to be approved.

2445
03:39:07,870 --> 03:39:17,890
And the blade sign, not to be restricted to a specific size, but to be restricted to square footage.

2446
03:39:18,610 --> 03:39:24,930
By whatever square footage was outlined by Plan A, I think it was two by three or something like that.

2447
03:39:25,330 --> 03:39:29,290
So, the restricted footage, but not in size or proportion.

2448
03:39:30,550 --> 03:39:35,490
And if we do that, I think that's really the two basic issues.

2449
03:39:42,090 --> 03:39:44,790
And if you want to turn that into a motion.

2450
03:39:45,790 --> 03:39:48,830
Although I do want to ask Mr. Cross about the Starbucks sign,

2451
03:39:49,330 --> 03:39:53,030
the actual individual letters, how they're mounted on that facade,

2452
03:39:53,650 --> 03:39:55,190
because it's really hard to tell.

2453
03:39:58,910 --> 03:39:59,950
So, so.

2454
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:05,600
So Jim, there, it looks like the letters are bigger than the facial. Is that right?

2455
03:40:07,580 --> 03:40:15,060
It does appear, so yes, we did not render the Starbucks, Starbucks has their own national vendor.

2456
03:40:16,500 --> 03:40:27,060
And essentially, they would need to be mounted the same way West Elm is, where you have the steel support, then you would have fabricated brackets that would be structural, though,

2457
03:40:27,060 --> 03:40:27,960
No, to the end.

2458
03:40:27,960 --> 03:40:30,700
Do we have a close up of this?

2459
03:40:30,960 --> 03:40:36,920
We have anything more of a close up David than what I'm looking at, page 103 for Starbucks.

2460
03:40:37,660 --> 03:40:40,100
So, you can actually see that.

2461
03:40:40,280 --> 03:40:41,020
I think that's right.

2462
03:40:41,120 --> 03:40:42,440
Well, I saw it was eight and a half.

2463
03:40:42,620 --> 03:40:44,520
The elevations are just tiny.

2464
03:40:45,380 --> 03:40:48,120
Well, we haven't, you know, bear in bear in mind though.

2465
03:40:48,380 --> 03:40:50,780
We haven't presented Starbucks signage to you.

2466
03:40:51,000 --> 03:40:52,360
We haven't presented it to you.

2467
03:40:52,400 --> 03:40:53,540
We haven't presented it.

2468
03:40:53,540 --> 03:41:01,120
And essentially what we have our task and our scope was to get a signed program approved

2469
03:41:01,120 --> 03:41:07,460
that would then allow the the the planning department to work within within a parameter.

2470
03:41:07,780 --> 03:41:13,380
So in each of these individual tenants went to that plan and submitted for their permit.

2471
03:41:13,420 --> 03:41:21,620
That's what they would be obligated to not only submit for a a planning permit, but also a a building permit.

2472
03:41:21,620 --> 03:41:26,660
they would establish how that sign is mounted and they would have to get a building permit

2473
03:41:26,660 --> 03:41:29,700
and provide a proof positive how it's installed and so forth.

2474
03:41:30,200 --> 03:41:37,140
So if we made a motion to simply have the individual stores

2475
03:41:37,140 --> 03:41:46,980
go through the process with our currently approved signage program or our signage ordinance.

2476
03:41:46,980 --> 03:41:49,100
Would that work?

2477
03:41:50,120 --> 03:41:53,160
Does that leave the flexibility in place for the

2478
03:41:53,160 --> 03:41:55,640
stores to come in with the branding and signage and

2479
03:41:55,640 --> 03:41:58,260
sizing that they're looking for?

2480
03:41:58,840 --> 03:41:59,140
I'm sorry.

2481
03:41:59,600 --> 03:42:02,180
Are you saying that if it's approved the same way that

2482
03:42:02,180 --> 03:42:03,740
blocks A and Bs?

2483
03:42:03,860 --> 03:42:05,260
Are you saying what the city's done?

2484
03:42:05,840 --> 03:42:11,420
The city has a sign ordinance that calls out the

2485
03:42:11,420 --> 03:42:14,820
various sizes and restrictions for signage.

2486
03:42:15,060 --> 03:42:16,020
Does that work?

2487
03:42:16,020 --> 03:42:21,940
It seems that only a different layer of restrictions added to different buildings on this project.

2488
03:42:22,340 --> 03:42:25,940
It's confining in almost impossible to understand.

2489
03:42:26,380 --> 03:42:31,140
Can we simply send this back and say we're removing those additional restrictions

2490
03:42:31,140 --> 03:42:37,680
and asking each sign to go before the go through the process on its own merits based on our current sign ordinance?

2491
03:42:37,680 --> 03:42:46,720
know that, that, that, yes, it could work in terms of meeting the method of elimination,

2492
03:42:47,560 --> 03:42:48,960
but it can't work in terms of size.

2493
03:42:49,160 --> 03:42:53,020
There's, there's nothing about these buildings that are consistent with the downtown

2494
03:42:53,020 --> 03:42:56,760
office, which was established, probably 20 years ago.

2495
03:42:56,880 --> 03:43:00,240
We don't have the same downtown today as we did then.

2496
03:43:00,720 --> 03:43:07,240
But each can't each store then request whatever variance they want on the signs.

2497
03:43:07,240 --> 03:43:09,560
And then that request can be considered?

2498
03:43:10,340 --> 03:43:18,920
Well, I'd tell you, if I could help nudge as long as if what if we allowed everybody to have the same sign as Block A and B?

2499
03:43:19,140 --> 03:43:24,160
And perhaps H and M could come, could submit for a variance.

2500
03:43:26,160 --> 03:43:27,280
Well, that doesn't make sense at all.

2501
03:43:27,660 --> 03:43:28,240
What am I saying?

2502
03:43:28,560 --> 03:43:36,860
Council member, the point of the sign program is to develop a program for all these individual signs that meets the sign ordinance in terms of

2503
03:43:38,160 --> 03:43:41,880
and then addressing the types of illumination and the details.

2504
03:43:42,500 --> 03:43:45,060
And then the idea is that as each tenant comes along,

2505
03:43:45,240 --> 03:43:48,660
it's an administrative process that the planning department

2506
03:43:48,660 --> 03:43:51,540
reviews those signs and accordance with the approved sign program.

2507
03:43:52,160 --> 03:43:55,520
So it's a little out of the norm to then require each individual tenant

2508
03:43:55,520 --> 03:43:59,020
to come through the formal AAC and planning commission process

2509
03:43:59,580 --> 03:44:02,920
for each individual sign that's in that sign program.

2510
03:44:03,540 --> 03:44:05,400
I mean, David has more experience with this,

2511
03:44:05,400 --> 03:44:06,360
I don't believe that's the way to do it.

2512
03:44:06,380 --> 03:44:06,680
All right.

2513
03:44:06,720 --> 03:44:13,540
So, Marcus, I understand that cookie cutter concept on a strip mall, where it's one consistent

2514
03:44:13,540 --> 03:44:20,980
building all the way across, and they have one designated area for a sign, and all of the

2515
03:44:20,980 --> 03:44:27,300
letters or all of the box signs or everything have to fit within this very narrow area, right?

2516
03:44:27,660 --> 03:44:32,860
Or when we're looking at monuments signs, we do that, we give them one criteria, does that

2517
03:44:32,860 --> 03:44:38,100
makes sense when we have an area where we have different

2518
03:44:38,100 --> 03:44:41,060
stores, different architectures, different types.

2519
03:44:42,040 --> 03:44:44,080
Does this really work here?

2520
03:44:45,200 --> 03:44:49,020
Essentially, what does work is we say with our

2521
03:44:49,020 --> 03:44:52,100
sign program, you have your allowed to sign, it can be in this

2522
03:44:52,100 --> 03:44:53,580
location, it can be this size.

2523
03:44:54,100 --> 03:44:56,780
And that's really what we're trying to get at with this

2524
03:44:56,780 --> 03:44:59,960
sign program for block C. They're showing the location.

2525
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:10,760
And the signs of the signs do deviate from our downtown ordinance. And when they do deviate, do they compliment the architecture, is it justifiable?

2526
03:45:11,300 --> 03:45:19,520
Because it's for certain circumstances in the case that we're looking at here, the signs of the buildings, the the signs are going on.

2527
03:45:19,780 --> 03:45:24,980
What a 14 inch sign located for H&M is being shown, work probably not.

2528
03:45:24,980 --> 03:45:41,940
So what we're doing with the sign program is allowing certain deviations ensuring that it's not such that it's out of just free for all to do whatever they want but also trying to give us something to work with at the staff level.

2529
03:45:42,880 --> 03:45:48,180
I got to tell you honestly, I think I don't think we should be approving any of these signs at staff level.

2530
03:45:48,780 --> 03:45:52,300
I think they should be going before the planning commission each one of them.

2531
03:45:52,300 --> 03:45:56,240
But actually, they are, I mean, we're looking at them right now.

2532
03:45:56,840 --> 03:45:59,460
All of what happens, there's a separate sign

2533
03:45:59,460 --> 03:46:01,600
from myth that has to happen for each one of these signs.

2534
03:46:02,260 --> 03:46:07,120
When it comes in, then staff would look at the approved plans

2535
03:46:07,120 --> 03:46:13,680
right here, and they'll say, OK, yeah, it fits within the parameters,

2536
03:46:13,940 --> 03:46:17,540
it matches basically what the thing is, size, location, color,

2537
03:46:17,540 --> 03:46:25,640
it said, yeah, and then it's a simple over-the-counter operation.

2538
03:46:26,000 --> 03:46:35,440
When a new sign comes in, that is identified as tenet, that just shows a type and a location

2539
03:46:35,440 --> 03:46:43,340
of which the tenet, whoever the tenet is, would fill in, and if they bring a staff and

2540
03:46:43,340 --> 03:46:49,160
Yeah, it looks like the approved letter type, the basic, the same location, done AMMN.

2541
03:46:49,460 --> 03:46:53,300
If it's not, if it's different, then staff is going to say, oh, wait a minute.

2542
03:46:53,380 --> 03:46:58,540
It doesn't match what the overall approval is and needs to go on its own trail.

2543
03:46:59,380 --> 03:47:02,020
So, so, Chris, why don't you try to craft?

2544
03:47:03,760 --> 03:47:04,020
All right.

2545
03:47:04,260 --> 03:47:04,980
Something on this?

2546
03:47:05,780 --> 03:47:08,900
So, I've been trying to squeeze in a word here.

2547
03:47:08,900 --> 03:47:19,080
On 8A on page 7, the applicant is saying each space has its own, each space has its own specific architecture, which is true. That's what we wanted.

2548
03:47:19,580 --> 03:47:25,120
And the blade sign should support the character of each tenant. All blade signs are to be presented to the planning department for review and permitting.

2549
03:47:25,320 --> 03:47:27,620
So it says right there, they're acknowledging each blade sign will.

2550
03:47:29,100 --> 03:47:29,220
Yep.

2551
03:47:30,460 --> 03:47:32,620
But it is going before the planning department.

2552
03:47:32,620 --> 03:47:38,410
I mean, each sign still needs a permit.

2553
03:47:38,950 --> 03:47:40,950
I mean, that process is in changing.

2554
03:47:43,710 --> 03:47:46,670
Let me go ahead and craft something.

2555
03:47:47,210 --> 03:48:04,010
So I would make a motion to approve the signage on BNC as submitted and as approved by

2556
03:48:05,210 --> 03:48:12,770
planic emission, the exception would be on the blade signs that they be allowed to not exceed

2557
03:48:12,770 --> 03:48:16,250
the square footage, but not have to have the same proportion.

2558
03:48:17,030 --> 03:48:18,590
And that's throughout the project.

2559
03:48:19,270 --> 03:48:31,010
And then also that we not restrict block C to only backlit signs, they can have backlit

2560
03:48:31,010 --> 03:48:41,470
But we're not restricted and in the case of H&M because that seems to be the big topic right now that a front-lit side is acceptable.

2561
03:48:43,810 --> 03:48:49,430
Again, I still, and I have an empty Mr. Cross is not doing the start of like sign.

2562
03:48:50,430 --> 03:48:58,470
But when that comes in, I don't, I think the way the Starbucks is is unattractive and that's our big corner.

2563
03:48:58,470 --> 03:49:03,750
That's because it's not the same size as the fascia by what we're looking at here.

2564
03:49:04,250 --> 03:49:14,010
So I would not include the Starbucks sign in my motion, except that it needs to be reviewed.

2565
03:49:14,450 --> 03:49:19,070
Because I just don't think it looks good for our number one corner.

2566
03:49:19,390 --> 03:49:20,610
What don't you like about it?

2567
03:49:21,090 --> 03:49:23,730
The letters are bigger than the fascia.

2568
03:49:23,850 --> 03:49:25,550
They're only 20 inches high.

2569
03:49:25,550 --> 03:49:27,570
But it's a bigger than the face of the man.

2570
03:49:28,050 --> 03:49:29,790
Isn't that true of blaze?

2571
03:49:30,750 --> 03:49:31,490
No, no, no.

2572
03:49:32,030 --> 03:49:40,290
These are on the face, which is out 12 feet or 90 from the building hanging over the side wall.

2573
03:49:40,550 --> 03:49:45,750
And it looks awkward to me to put an oversized letter on that's thinner face.

2574
03:49:46,150 --> 03:49:48,690
So would you prefer if they sat up on top of the face?

2575
03:49:48,830 --> 03:49:49,590
Or underneath?

2576
03:49:50,530 --> 03:49:51,270
I mean, but...

2577
03:49:51,270 --> 03:49:51,430
Okay.

2578
03:49:51,710 --> 03:49:52,750
So it's send that message.

2579
03:49:52,810 --> 03:49:53,770
I agree with you.

2580
03:49:53,770 --> 03:49:56,330
But I don't mind Starbucks individual letters.

2581
03:49:56,430 --> 03:49:57,190
No, no, I don't.

2582
03:49:57,430 --> 03:49:58,490
I don't.

2583
03:49:58,490 --> 03:49:58,950
I don't.

2584
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:05,960
So we're not saying Starbucks can't do its little freestanding letters. We just don't like it, split.

2585
03:50:06,560 --> 03:50:10,860
And the fact that it's two signs is fine, too. That was an issue. Yeah, and I'm fine with that, too.

2586
03:50:10,940 --> 03:50:12,700
Okay. I'll take the motion.

2587
03:50:13,480 --> 03:50:17,320
All right. Wait a minute. Do you guys have a clear motion here?

2588
03:50:17,380 --> 03:50:17,760
Yes.

2589
03:50:18,800 --> 03:50:19,760
Marcus, David.

2590
03:50:20,680 --> 03:50:25,060
So staff has two motions before you. One for Block B went for Block C.

2591
03:50:26,220 --> 03:50:28,360
No, we're not considering staff motions.

2592
03:50:31,620 --> 03:50:38,980
So the motion is to eliminate the dimensions and allow it to be flexible, but not exceed the

2593
03:50:38,980 --> 03:50:39,640
set square foot.

2594
03:50:39,660 --> 03:50:40,520
On the blade size.

2595
03:50:40,720 --> 03:50:41,540
On the blade size.

2596
03:50:41,660 --> 03:50:42,580
For both blocks.

2597
03:50:43,020 --> 03:50:43,840
For both blocks.

2598
03:50:45,220 --> 03:50:54,640
Eight-signed signage is restricted to 24 by 36, but the proportion of that can change to six square

2599
03:50:54,640 --> 03:50:55,000
feet.

2600
03:50:55,300 --> 03:50:56,720
Six square feet.

2601
03:50:56,780 --> 03:50:57,620
Six square feet.

2602
03:50:57,620 --> 03:51:00,940
They can come up with a shape and proportion.

2603
03:51:01,120 --> 03:51:01,780
All right.

2604
03:51:01,780 --> 03:51:02,180
Okay.

2605
03:51:02,580 --> 03:51:03,400
That's one.

2606
03:51:03,540 --> 03:51:07,400
We've eliminated the halo illumination requirement.

2607
03:51:08,180 --> 03:51:08,200
Yes.

2608
03:51:08,480 --> 03:51:08,720
So, no.

2609
03:51:09,340 --> 03:51:12,520
Friendly letters may be permitted anywhere on either block.

2610
03:51:12,800 --> 03:51:14,980
I'm not going to die on that hill, but I'd rather stay.

2611
03:51:15,060 --> 03:51:15,820
Can I give a shot?

2612
03:51:16,140 --> 03:51:16,820
Can I give a shot?

2613
03:51:16,980 --> 03:51:18,220
I tried to type everything.

2614
03:51:18,780 --> 03:51:20,420
Let's see if this is got it.

2615
03:51:20,840 --> 03:51:23,520
The motion would be to approve the signage on B&C submitted

2616
03:51:24,000 --> 03:51:25,480
and approve by the Planning Commission.

2617
03:51:25,480 --> 03:51:31,440
the exception would be blade signs being restricted to 24 by 36, but proportion can be adjusted

2618
03:51:31,440 --> 03:51:37,620
up to six square feet. Also, we're not going to restrict block C to only backlit signs,

2619
03:51:38,080 --> 03:51:42,200
and in the case of H and M, we're going to specifically say that a front line, front

2620
03:51:42,200 --> 03:51:47,820
lit sign is specifically acceptable. Finally, Starbucks needs to be reviewed individually,

2621
03:51:48,360 --> 03:51:54,700
but two signs are fine. Well, individual only reviewed on the letters on the fascia.

2622
03:51:54,700 --> 03:51:56,580
Yeah, the Blades, the Bladers can say...

2623
03:51:56,580 --> 03:52:00,980
It's good above or below the face of but not split in half by the face of the face.

2624
03:52:02,860 --> 03:52:15,040
So Starbucks needs to be reviewed individually as to the location of the letters on the face and two signs that is the letters and the circle sign are both.

2625
03:52:15,040 --> 03:52:19,880
Well, I just wanted to send back to the Planning Commission that we're OK with those letters on top or below.

2626
03:52:20,600 --> 03:52:24,380
But not as present on top or on bottom, but not as present correct.

2627
03:52:25,560 --> 03:52:27,120
The motion is to me.

2628
03:52:27,940 --> 03:52:28,460
Instructivity.

2629
03:52:29,400 --> 03:52:32,380
The logo is fine the way it is.

2630
03:52:32,840 --> 03:52:33,040
Yes.

2631
03:52:35,330 --> 03:52:35,550
Okay.

2632
03:52:35,690 --> 03:52:37,950
Motion's been made and seconded.

2633
03:52:37,950 --> 03:52:39,350
Any more comments on this?

2634
03:52:40,250 --> 03:52:42,410
JR is like being back on the planning commission isn't it?

2635
03:52:43,170 --> 03:52:44,350
No, it's much worse.

2636
03:52:45,470 --> 03:52:46,950
It's much worse actually.

2637
03:52:47,350 --> 03:52:47,490
Okay.

2638
03:52:47,830 --> 03:52:49,970
Would you please do a roll call vote?

2639
03:52:49,970 --> 03:52:58,410
Yes sir. Yes sir, council member before. Yes. Council member Mills. Council member Roberts.

2640
03:52:59,310 --> 03:53:04,870
Mayor Poetem vote. Yes. Mayor Moon. Yes. Approved 50.

2641
03:53:06,710 --> 03:53:07,710
Thank you.

2642
03:53:11,540 --> 03:53:13,700
Next item 5b.

2643
03:53:13,700 --> 03:53:18,560
That's when we're skipping five

2644
03:53:26,660 --> 03:53:42,700
C extension of the hotel incentive program deadline for commencement of the construction for a new hotel at the Northwest corner of Barista road and Belardo road 284 South Koea road developer new church LLC until May 31st 2018 staff report please.

2645
03:53:49,680 --> 03:53:52,340
Thank you, Mayor, members of Council.

2646
03:53:52,780 --> 03:53:58,020
This is obviously request from the developer for an extension of the TOT, incentive plan

2647
03:53:58,020 --> 03:54:02,340
that was granted to them under the original program that has since expired.

2648
03:54:03,940 --> 03:54:10,080
This project has gone through numerous iterations of the planning department that developer

2649
03:54:10,080 --> 03:54:15,720
has been very receptive to their changes, redesigning and redesigning again.

2650
03:54:15,720 --> 03:54:23,000
The neighborhood is very much in favor of this project as it has been finally presented

2651
03:54:23,000 --> 03:54:28,680
is my understanding and I think you do have some letters from the tennis club to that

2652
03:54:28,680 --> 03:54:29,180
effect.

2653
03:54:29,840 --> 03:54:37,360
That being said, the developer representative is here to answer any specific questions and

2654
03:54:37,360 --> 03:54:45,380
I would note that one of the requirements the city council had was for this extension to specify

2655
03:54:45,380 --> 03:54:51,900
specifically what the brand of the hotel is and it's been decided that it is the

2656
03:54:51,900 --> 03:54:57,700
Obert Hotel, which is a high quality hotel for the city palm springs. It would be

2657
03:54:57,700 --> 03:54:59,960
the only one in the area and the letter.

2658
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:07,080
It was just passed out to you as a letter from Ovarage, which indicates that they would be the flag of the brand at this hotel.

2659
03:55:07,680 --> 03:55:10,620
With that, Mr. Mayor, I'm happy to answer any specific questions.

2660
03:55:11,500 --> 03:55:16,000
And the representative is here to answer any questions you have of the developer.

2661
03:55:16,240 --> 03:55:16,760
Thank you.

2662
03:55:16,840 --> 03:55:18,620
Thank you. Do we have any questions or staff?

2663
03:55:19,260 --> 03:55:19,760
Councilor McCors.

2664
03:55:20,300 --> 03:55:25,780
So, Dr. Reddy, in addition to working with the planning department, just from some information you provided.

2665
03:55:26,940 --> 03:55:34,140
The applicant's been working with HSPV, all the neighborhood groups, and has been continuing

2666
03:55:34,940 --> 03:55:40,440
to some degree to be delayed because of making changes that we as a city want.

2667
03:55:41,380 --> 03:55:43,300
Not they necessarily had wanted.

2668
03:55:43,860 --> 03:55:44,800
Is that?

2669
03:55:46,180 --> 03:55:47,640
That is correct, Councilman.

2670
03:55:48,560 --> 03:55:51,300
Obviously, the project was different early on.

2671
03:55:51,500 --> 03:55:55,340
The developer did respond to the Planning Commission and the neighborhood and the surrounding

2672
03:55:55,340 --> 03:56:02,860
businesses concerns and the project has been significantly altered to the benefit to the positive

2673
03:56:02,860 --> 03:56:08,780
way to those stakeholders and the developer has cooperated. I think he has a very good

2674
03:56:08,780 --> 03:56:09,320
product.

2675
03:56:10,740 --> 03:56:18,480
And one of the things here now is the rehabilitation of our historic church. Correct? That's

2676
03:56:18,480 --> 03:56:22,120
correct. The church is part of this project and I would note in addition to the church.

2677
03:56:22,120 --> 03:56:26,680
This clearly is a very, very blighted area in the downtown.

2678
03:56:27,420 --> 03:56:32,800
It was a former hotel, it hasn't been that way since,

2679
03:56:33,020 --> 03:56:34,820
but over 15 years practically.

2680
03:56:35,920 --> 03:56:37,800
And this will resolve that blighted area,

2681
03:56:38,000 --> 03:56:40,380
including the church that did suffer a fire,

2682
03:56:40,520 --> 03:56:42,660
and that is part of this project as well.

2683
03:56:44,300 --> 03:56:47,540
So two things I would just want to ask is one,

2684
03:56:47,540 --> 03:56:55,700
as for the staff report is, what can be done given this is going to take some more time over

2685
03:56:55,700 --> 03:56:59,300
the next couple of months to make sure we're saving the church and doing what we need to

2686
03:56:59,300 --> 03:57:00,800
do to save that historic property.

2687
03:57:02,800 --> 03:57:08,440
So, if I could, Jake, Jake, Jason, you could step to the microphone and address what you're

2688
03:57:08,440 --> 03:57:09,900
doing with regard to security.

2689
03:57:12,200 --> 03:57:17,520
Yes, we have a weekly monitors that come to the to the buildings and service the whole

2690
03:57:17,520 --> 03:57:26,940
as well as the church, including, they go inside of the structures, as well as the historic buildings and they scope everything.

2691
03:57:27,480 --> 03:57:33,360
They report back to us and if any damage is seen, then we immediately repair it.

2692
03:57:33,800 --> 03:57:35,620
Okay, so thank you.

2693
03:57:36,480 --> 03:57:46,040
So David, has the city done any inspections of this to make sure that whatever is necessary for the historic buildings is being done?

2694
03:57:48,710 --> 03:57:55,570
As the city gone and looked at these to make sure that we're taking all precautions to make sure these buildings are preserved.

2695
03:57:57,310 --> 03:57:58,700
Have they ever looked at?

2696
03:57:59,470 --> 03:57:59,670
Stay alive.

2697
03:58:00,550 --> 03:58:01,050
Stay alive.

2698
03:58:01,570 --> 03:58:02,230
Stay alive, sir.

2699
03:58:02,890 --> 03:58:03,950
Better or hard.

2700
03:58:04,590 --> 03:58:05,930
Well, different from security.

2701
03:58:06,370 --> 03:58:07,590
So they'd have their security.

2702
03:58:07,950 --> 03:58:11,390
It's on our route for our security of the historic sites that we pay.

2703
03:58:11,810 --> 03:58:15,770
So, but if you're talking about inspections on internally of the building itself,

2704
03:58:15,770 --> 03:58:19,770
I defer to Mr. Foley. I don't believe so.

2705
03:58:20,610 --> 03:58:27,810
Okay, just because the staff report speaks of concern about the ongoing deterioration of the building.

2706
03:58:28,030 --> 03:58:29,670
So I'm a little confused there.

2707
03:58:29,890 --> 03:58:31,710
If I may jump in real quick.

2708
03:58:32,190 --> 03:58:35,770
When we suffered the fire, I think in September of 2013,

2709
03:58:36,630 --> 03:58:40,090
we had it inspected and we had numerous structural engineers

2710
03:58:40,090 --> 03:58:41,210
that went through the property.

2711
03:58:41,210 --> 03:58:46,430
at that point we reinforce the areas of concern, and then we continue to monitor those.

2712
03:58:47,450 --> 03:58:51,990
So one of the conditions of approval can be for this is that the church is restored.

2713
03:58:54,110 --> 03:59:00,530
And you know, phase one restoration to the church, facade, and so they can't, I mean,

2714
03:59:00,830 --> 03:59:04,810
our vacant building ordinance doctor can kick in in the meantime, right?

2715
03:59:05,290 --> 03:59:11,190
Because they're making requests that they don't have to commence construction until May of 19.

2716
03:59:11,890 --> 03:59:16,790
That's a long time, but in the meantime, can't we enforce our vacant building ordinance?

2717
03:59:17,610 --> 03:59:17,890
We can.

2718
03:59:18,290 --> 03:59:20,890
And we've gone back and forth on that property over the years.

2719
03:59:21,330 --> 03:59:23,610
For a while, there was a fence around it.

2720
03:59:23,850 --> 03:59:26,370
But then, obviously, you couldn't see through the fence.

2721
03:59:27,090 --> 03:59:32,070
And then things were going on behind the fence in terms of a vagrancy and things of that nature.

2722
03:59:32,910 --> 03:59:36,130
Then we took the fence uncovered it.

2723
03:59:36,130 --> 03:59:39,890
So we've gone through different kinds of ways

2724
03:59:39,890 --> 03:59:41,650
to try to maintain it.

2725
03:59:42,490 --> 03:59:45,310
But so I'm not certain what we'd be able to do

2726
03:59:45,310 --> 03:59:48,230
between now and when this building gets built.

2727
03:59:48,470 --> 03:59:53,150
Dr. Reddy may I suggest that we came to this exact intersection

2728
03:59:53,710 --> 03:59:55,130
with the town and country center.

2729
03:59:56,190 --> 03:59:59,470
And we required that the owner of the town and country center

2730
03:59:59,470 --> 03:59:59,950
come.

2731
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:07,720
Up with a way to stabilize the property to ensure that no additional fires took place, and also to put in motion

2732
04:00:07,720 --> 04:00:18,740
sensors and alarm systems to detour vagrants. And it seems to be effective. And maybe what we need to

2733
04:00:18,740 --> 04:00:23,800
require from this applicant is something similar as a way to prove to the city that it's being monitored

2734
04:00:23,800 --> 04:00:27,700
when regardless of who's there or not there,

2735
04:00:28,460 --> 04:00:31,820
with respect to keeping people out of it and keeping people from ruining it.

2736
04:00:33,060 --> 04:00:34,580
So it is fence now.

2737
04:00:35,120 --> 04:00:40,100
We certainly could put whatever additional restrictions on that as well,

2738
04:00:40,880 --> 04:00:41,520
but it is fence.

2739
04:00:42,220 --> 04:00:45,220
And I don't know that the church is fence as well.

2740
04:00:46,160 --> 04:00:47,800
Yes, they are all enclosed.

2741
04:00:48,200 --> 04:00:48,660
No, I'm closed.

2742
04:00:49,800 --> 04:00:56,600
So our concern really is any more damage to the church and vagrants taking over the church, correct?

2743
04:00:58,240 --> 04:01:02,320
Yeah, and so the best way to do it obviously is we have 24-7 security.

2744
04:01:02,620 --> 04:01:08,120
I mean, that obviously would be an expense, but that would be probably the only way to really ensure that at this point.

2745
04:01:08,520 --> 04:01:13,740
Well, or we go the route that we went on the town in country because that was the option for that as well, correct?

2746
04:01:14,120 --> 04:01:16,000
Oh, which was the sensors, I believe.

2747
04:01:16,000 --> 04:01:20,260
Well, we put in sensors, live beams, all sorts of stuff.

2748
04:01:20,640 --> 04:01:24,760
There are, I guess there are cameras there, there are all sorts of things there, but mostly

2749
04:01:25,440 --> 04:01:33,660
there are alarms, there are sensors and alarms that go off if people violate or trespass

2750
04:01:33,660 --> 04:01:34,420
onto the property.

2751
04:01:35,100 --> 04:01:40,720
I mean, we can probably get a recommendation from the police department on ways to secure

2752
04:01:40,720 --> 04:01:41,260
the property.

2753
04:01:41,700 --> 04:01:43,700
But that would be the responsibility of the developer.

2754
04:01:43,940 --> 04:01:44,240
Correct.

2755
04:01:44,240 --> 04:01:46,580
We've put that in as a condition of their approval.

2756
04:01:47,540 --> 04:01:49,120
That they've got to maintain the property

2757
04:01:49,120 --> 04:01:52,120
and keep it vagrant free until this commence development.

2758
04:01:52,720 --> 04:01:54,040
Which is important because the reason

2759
04:01:54,040 --> 04:01:55,840
the fire was in the church in the first place

2760
04:01:55,840 --> 04:01:58,740
was vagrants in there and they caught it on fire.

2761
04:02:00,000 --> 04:02:02,040
So we can't afford another fire in one of those buildings.

2762
04:02:03,000 --> 04:02:06,720
Well, yeah, I mean, the church is already in pretty bad shape.

2763
04:02:06,820 --> 04:02:09,020
I mean, the restoration is pretty much going to be a rebuild,

2764
04:02:09,780 --> 04:02:12,400
but we want to preserve lives.

2765
04:02:13,280 --> 04:02:14,860
Can I ask a question Mr. Mayor?

2766
04:02:15,300 --> 04:02:15,320
Yes.

2767
04:02:15,320 --> 04:02:19,500
Because I don't know, and I'm sure you all do, did the Town and Country Center involve

2768
04:02:19,500 --> 04:02:21,020
lighting in addition to motion sent?

2769
04:02:21,020 --> 04:02:21,260
No.

2770
04:02:21,880 --> 04:02:22,720
Just the motion sent.

2771
04:02:22,860 --> 04:02:23,620
Well, no.

2772
04:02:23,620 --> 04:02:30,200
I think they have lighting that is motion sent as well, but there was a whole plan.

2773
04:02:30,380 --> 04:02:34,860
We did a walkthrough on the Town and Country and we put together a whole plan, which included

2774
04:02:34,860 --> 04:02:41,580
smoke detectors, they included motion detectors, things that would trigger alarms and lighting.

2775
04:02:42,960 --> 04:02:46,460
And monitoring, yeah, there was just, you know,

2776
04:02:46,580 --> 04:02:47,900
classic security monitoring.

2777
04:02:48,640 --> 04:02:53,200
So if the motion sensors were tripped, it would call,

2778
04:02:53,200 --> 04:02:57,680
it would call dispatch, and either send our police

2779
04:02:57,680 --> 04:02:58,860
or their own security.

2780
04:02:59,800 --> 04:03:02,660
If I may jump in, we currently have the,

2781
04:03:02,660 --> 04:03:06,800
every building is boarded up, and we do have fire alarms in there.

2782
04:03:07,020 --> 04:03:08,080
I'll smoke through smoke detectors.

2783
04:03:08,080 --> 04:03:15,460
We can work with staff or somebody in building safety on incorporating some type of motion sensor

2784
04:03:15,460 --> 04:03:22,180
that would immediately call me or another representative of our company if the building were to be

2785
04:03:22,180 --> 04:03:22,860
de-borded.

2786
04:03:22,940 --> 04:03:25,400
And I think that would probably satisfy this.

2787
04:03:25,960 --> 04:03:30,920
Well, just you know, I guess what we can put in is requirement that you put in all sorts of

2788
04:03:30,920 --> 04:03:31,580
motion detectors.

2789
04:03:31,580 --> 04:03:42,060
So, I can't remember if anyone's got any under the property, the town and country managed to even keep people from off the property if they jumped the fence, it's set off motion detectors.

2790
04:03:43,580 --> 04:03:47,480
So, we could have staff and maybe the police department work with you on that.

2791
04:03:47,760 --> 04:03:51,660
Mr. Mayor, could I offer some language to address Council Member Roberts comments?

2792
04:03:51,660 --> 04:03:57,940
comply with the reasonable directives of the police chief with respect to stabilization of all historical structures

2793
04:03:57,940 --> 04:04:02,200
potentially to include lighting motion detection, monitoring and security.

2794
04:04:02,700 --> 04:04:05,960
That should be for the entire property, not just the historical factors.

2795
04:04:06,820 --> 04:04:09,160
We don't want it to take an over by the homeless.

2796
04:04:10,240 --> 04:04:16,020
And I don't know how what happens there now we'd have to get a report from the police on that.

2797
04:04:16,680 --> 04:04:20,960
So I've modified that to say with respect to stabilization of all historical structures

2798
04:04:21,660 --> 04:04:23,080
maintenance of the property.

2799
04:04:25,940 --> 04:04:28,080
And I don't know if that's acceptable in that form

2800
04:04:28,080 --> 04:04:32,940
to the applicant, but that is the language that would reflect what you've said.

2801
04:04:33,940 --> 04:04:38,080
Yes, this also protects the interest of the applicant because it keeps their

2802
04:04:38,080 --> 04:04:42,100
property, because we've had so much experience with this in the past here in

2803
04:04:42,100 --> 04:04:45,440
the city with the ignorance breaking in and causing fires and other damage.

2804
04:04:46,020 --> 04:04:50,420
So, a condition of any extension would be that, you know, lines.

2805
04:04:51,080 --> 04:04:55,800
Chief Reyes is here, you know, maybe we can ask him if he is willing, or the department,

2806
04:04:56,500 --> 04:04:59,940
is willing to work with the applicant to come up with a way to fully secure.

2807
04:05:00,560 --> 04:05:13,120
Yes, we have spoken with the police in the past and we're happy to do that going forward and we could have maybe a meeting on the site going forward with us in the police department or some phone conversations to determine what the best way and most effective going forward.

2808
04:05:13,120 --> 04:05:21,640
Is that something that your department can work with or would you recommend that they bring it outside people? You will work with them?

2809
04:05:24,330 --> 04:05:25,870
We'll speak after this meeting.

2810
04:05:27,110 --> 04:05:34,130
Mayor, if I could, one other thing I'd like to just note to council, in the staff report

2811
04:05:34,130 --> 04:05:39,350
on the title, there's a type of graphical air with the extension in the title says to

2812
04:05:39,350 --> 04:05:45,470
May 31st of 2018, you see in the body of the staff report, it's May 20th of 2019, so I'd

2813
04:05:45,470 --> 04:05:49,390
like the record to reflect that it's May 31st of 2019.

2814
04:05:49,850 --> 04:05:52,370
That is a type of the city manager's correct.

2815
04:05:52,370 --> 04:05:55,750
It's the correct number.

2816
04:05:57,350 --> 04:05:58,550
31st 2019.

2817
04:05:59,230 --> 04:05:59,250
Okay.

2818
04:05:59,350 --> 04:06:01,490
I'm ready to craft a motion as the council's ready.

2819
04:06:01,850 --> 04:06:04,970
The recommendation is typed and stated correctly.

2820
04:06:06,350 --> 04:06:14,630
So the motion that I'd like to make on this is to move approval has presented with.

2821
04:10:19,470 --> 04:10:25,790
The condition that this must be in our bearish hotel,

2822
04:10:28,060 --> 04:10:38,360
and no other, and if it changes, then the approval is rescinded, that it will include a full restoration of the facades of the historic church.

2823
04:10:43,040 --> 04:10:49,020
Would you just say restoration of church, don't say facade, because that implies certain things?

2824
04:10:49,020 --> 04:10:55,800
Well, the reason I'm saying the facades is because I know with the inside of that shirt there was nothing to preserve in the inside of that church

2825
04:10:55,800 --> 04:11:02,480
It's what we're preserving is essentially the the block facade in the roof right and the steel windows

2826
04:11:02,980 --> 04:11:06,800
Mr. Mayor. I'm I'm going to defer to Mr. Fuller, but I believe that

2827
04:11:07,500 --> 04:11:15,940
Up to now the approvals that the project already has with respect to the church and the preservation of the church and the bungalows by the way as well

2828
04:11:15,940 --> 04:11:20,500
that would cover it. I would urge you to consider just adopting the staff recommendation

2829
04:11:20,500 --> 04:11:25,260
as modified because the staff recommendation does specifically talk about an operating

2830
04:11:25,260 --> 04:11:33,440
covenant with respect to the O'Barrish, which is stated affirmatively. The O'Barrish

2831
04:11:33,440 --> 04:11:40,700
will be part of, I'm sorry, the hotel will be a part of the O'Barrish Resorts collection

2832
04:11:41,140 --> 04:11:42,460
to be constructed on this side.

2833
04:11:42,460 --> 04:11:47,680
we want to make that exclusive, that it has to be an obertage.

2834
04:11:49,600 --> 04:11:50,820
That it must be, I think.

2835
04:11:51,100 --> 04:11:53,640
Much in the way we made that requirement on the virgin,

2836
04:11:56,120 --> 04:11:58,680
that can only be a part of the obertage

2837
04:11:58,680 --> 04:12:05,620
results, resource collection, correct, with that modification and the additional condition

2838
04:12:05,620 --> 04:12:09,580
regarding the stabilization and maintenance of the properties that acceptable.

2839
04:12:10,160 --> 04:12:14,440
I just want you to read back what the language is because I'm looking for it on the church

2840
04:12:14,440 --> 04:12:14,920
specifically.

2841
04:12:16,580 --> 04:12:20,460
Well, what I was saying is that I think the church has already addressed by the existing

2842
04:12:20,460 --> 04:12:21,040
approvals.

2843
04:12:21,260 --> 04:12:24,440
I'm not sure that that isn't already covered.

2844
04:12:25,060 --> 04:12:26,060
I would defer to staff.

2845
04:12:26,780 --> 04:12:29,360
But we've already designated the bungalows in the first year.

2846
04:12:29,460 --> 04:12:30,480
Yeah, that's correct.

2847
04:12:30,680 --> 04:12:37,640
Because HSPB in March of 2016 issued a certificate of approval for the currently approved

2848
04:12:37,640 --> 04:12:38,160
projects.

2849
04:12:38,340 --> 04:12:38,960
They did.

2850
04:12:39,040 --> 04:12:39,460
They did.

2851
04:12:39,520 --> 04:12:41,800
So the church protections and requirements are for us.

2852
04:12:41,800 --> 04:12:44,800
for the way they're going to develop the site is consistent with what it is.

2853
04:12:44,800 --> 04:12:48,580
So the only condition we need to add is it is exclusive in our bear show

2854
04:12:48,580 --> 04:12:56,340
tell and a requirement for our stabilization of the property and to work with the police

2855
04:12:56,340 --> 04:13:03,240
department to come up with a system to protect the property from here on in.

2856
04:13:03,940 --> 04:13:07,520
Okay, I can read the language again or we can just leave right there.

2857
04:13:07,640 --> 04:13:08,380
I think we got it.

2858
04:13:08,440 --> 04:13:10,000
I think we got it.

2859
04:13:10,000 --> 04:13:16,920
I mean, the only thing I might add is that the restoration of church being included in the first phase.

2860
04:13:17,500 --> 04:13:23,160
I don't know if that was in the planning commission conditions or not.

2861
04:13:23,220 --> 04:13:29,040
Regardless, let's add that as a requirement that the church restoration be in the first phase.

2862
04:13:29,280 --> 04:13:30,220
I agree with you, Chris.

2863
04:13:32,000 --> 04:13:34,460
See, I have a problem. Any issue with that?

2864
04:13:34,500 --> 04:13:36,480
No, no problem. I thought you were asking you a question.

2865
04:13:36,940 --> 04:13:37,400
Okay.

2866
04:13:38,540 --> 04:13:40,160
Were you Marcus, did you want it?

2867
04:13:40,440 --> 04:13:42,200
I didn't know that they had a phased project.

2868
04:13:42,540 --> 04:13:43,400
We do know that.

2869
04:13:45,120 --> 04:13:46,660
We'll be part of the first page.

2870
04:13:46,860 --> 04:13:48,620
Then it will definitely be part of the first page.

2871
04:13:49,920 --> 04:13:50,100
Okay.

2872
04:13:50,600 --> 04:13:51,280
I guess I worked.

2873
04:13:52,140 --> 04:13:53,440
Is motion understood?

2874
04:13:54,480 --> 04:13:54,900
I'm clear.

2875
04:13:56,140 --> 04:13:56,800
Any other questions?

2876
04:13:57,000 --> 04:13:57,140
Yes.

2877
04:13:58,560 --> 04:13:59,640
The minutes will be accurate.

2878
04:14:00,940 --> 04:14:06,160
I want to just, I want to qualify my no vote here.

2879
04:14:06,480 --> 04:14:11,420
And I want to mention that this project did not come to City Council,

2880
04:14:11,960 --> 04:14:13,760
who has approved it planning.

2881
04:14:15,240 --> 04:14:22,560
I think for a lot of reasons, this to me is not what I envision

2882
04:14:22,560 --> 04:14:25,980
as a first class hotel in Ponce Springs, architecturally.

2883
04:14:26,100 --> 04:14:27,800
Certainly not talking about the operator.

2884
04:14:28,880 --> 04:14:32,680
We had, I'll point out a few items.

2885
04:14:32,680 --> 04:14:46,960
You're looking at all a bug-grade parking, bay parking, in some cases on Belardo, yeah, as double

2886
04:14:46,960 --> 04:14:58,080
bay parking, stacked bay parking, you're looking at, and I'll ask the council to look at

2887
04:14:58,760 --> 04:14:59,960
132 in the staff report.

2888
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:01,280
That

2889
04:15:03,970 --> 04:15:08,250
is the bilardo elevation of the hotel.

2890
04:15:11,350 --> 04:15:16,670
If you take away the palm trees in there, which kind of

2891
04:15:16,670 --> 04:15:32,670
helps soften a little bit, it is pretty nothing, architecturally, in my mind. So my, and I don't, I don't

2892
04:15:33,930 --> 04:15:40,270
speculation of things don't work, including the may-parking off of

2893
04:15:40,270 --> 04:15:46,070
Bristol on the church. That curb is 16 inches high. I don't know how you put

2894
04:15:46,070 --> 04:15:53,810
may-parking as 16 inch high curb. But there are things with it that to me

2895
04:15:53,810 --> 04:16:01,450
do not make it qualify as the level that I envision as a first-class hotel. This is

2896
04:16:07,720 --> 04:16:24,700
If you put the investment in the facility of this versus the virgin hotel, there is no comparison in the millions and millions of dollars difference in the construction.

2897
04:16:24,700 --> 04:16:32,660
So, I'm looking at it from my own architectural side, I'm not looking at it, from any other

2898
04:16:32,660 --> 04:16:33,020
side.

2899
04:16:33,340 --> 04:16:42,020
Had this come to City Council, those are the comments I would have made at the time.

2900
04:16:42,240 --> 04:16:46,200
So that's the issue I have and while we don't even know.

2901
04:16:46,660 --> 04:16:50,620
Okay, I just want to say that this went through and was approved by the Planning Commission

2902
04:16:50,620 --> 04:16:54,780
numerous times in the AC and I call the vote.

2903
04:16:54,780 --> 04:16:56,220
Okay, motion is in May 2nd.

2904
04:16:56,360 --> 04:16:58,280
Any other comments before we vote?

2905
04:16:58,740 --> 04:17:00,680
Seeing none, please take a roll call.

2906
04:17:01,500 --> 04:17:02,400
Council member, of course.

2907
04:17:03,620 --> 04:17:04,640
Council member Mills.

2908
04:17:06,320 --> 04:17:07,260
Council member Roberts.

2909
04:17:08,320 --> 04:17:09,580
Mayor Pro Temphot.

2910
04:17:10,500 --> 04:17:11,040
Mayor Moon.

2911
04:17:11,180 --> 04:17:11,400
Yes.

2912
04:17:12,340 --> 04:17:14,620
Approved for one zero.

2913
04:17:16,040 --> 04:17:19,040
Noting the vote of Council member Mills.

2914
04:17:19,800 --> 04:17:28,500
Thank you very much. Before we go to 5D we are past 10 o'clock and unfortunately unless we're going to come back on August 2nd we need to push through.

2915
04:17:29,280 --> 04:17:32,440
We've only got two more items. Yeah, some of these are going to be easy.

2916
04:17:33,500 --> 04:17:40,320
Okay item 5D authorizes issues of tax allocation refunding bonds.

2917
04:17:42,560 --> 04:17:44,520
Thank you, Mr. Ray, members of Council.

2918
04:17:45,000 --> 04:17:52,520
This is a request to proceed with the refinancing of a couple of our redevelopment bonds.

2919
04:17:52,700 --> 04:17:57,920
The bottom line to this is the general fund would save approximately $70,000 annually.

2920
04:17:59,260 --> 04:18:04,720
And we're recommending that we go forward with this, obviously, with this $70,000 savings

2921
04:18:04,720 --> 04:18:10,000
and the additional 220,000 we're going to save with the pre-payment to our purrs under

2922
04:18:10,000 --> 04:18:11,180
that program.

2923
04:18:12,160 --> 04:18:15,760
We obviously will start putting that towards our $3.5 million savings.

2924
04:18:16,260 --> 04:18:21,200
That being said, Suzanne Harrell, our financial advisors here, and it's happy to address any specific

2925
04:18:21,200 --> 04:18:23,720
questions you have on the bond refinance.

2926
04:18:23,780 --> 04:18:24,800
Thank you.

2927
04:18:25,060 --> 04:18:30,680
Why do you always put these near the end, Mrs. Ham, that's the year for the entire evening?

2928
04:18:30,680 --> 04:18:36,880
The reason the city manager does it, so now Suzanne will have to spend the night and we get the TOT.

2929
04:18:36,960 --> 04:18:38,480
Yes, that's right.

2930
04:18:38,580 --> 04:18:40,700
But the doctor already, this money is already budgeted.

2931
04:18:41,060 --> 04:18:43,140
So we're actually saving money. We're not spending any of these.

2932
04:18:43,180 --> 04:18:46,900
Yes, this will be a net savings of approximately 70,000 per year.

2933
04:18:47,180 --> 04:18:49,720
Is that correct? Suzanne, can we confirm that?

2934
04:18:49,720 --> 04:18:52,100
Suzanne occasionally, everyone has to feel the pain.

2935
04:18:52,360 --> 04:18:53,820
I'm sorry, it's your night.

2936
04:18:54,800 --> 04:19:00,520
But since you're here, I just really want to thank you and staff for constantly being up on these

2937
04:19:00,520 --> 04:19:05,760
finding ways to save money because it really adds up over the year when we look at all the

2938
04:19:05,760 --> 04:19:09,680
different bond measures, you know, probably getting close to a million dollars in savings.

2939
04:19:10,340 --> 04:19:14,000
And that's a big deal in our budget. So thank you. Thank you for your work, everyone.

2940
04:19:14,820 --> 04:19:16,460
And I'll move this if no one has any questions.

2941
04:19:16,460 --> 04:19:19,800
Questions been made by Councilmember Cores, second by Councilmember Roberts.

2942
04:19:20,100 --> 04:19:22,080
Motion is on the floor. Any other discussion before we vote?

2943
04:19:23,060 --> 04:19:24,880
Seeing none, City Clerk, would you please take the vote?

2944
04:19:25,540 --> 04:19:30,280
Councilmember Cores. Yes. Councilmember Mills. Councilmember Roberts.

2945
04:19:30,520 --> 04:19:31,020
Yes.

2946
04:19:31,360 --> 04:19:32,680
We are Pro Temphote.

2947
04:19:33,020 --> 04:19:33,140
Yes.

2948
04:19:33,420 --> 04:19:34,040
Mayor Moon.

2949
04:19:34,240 --> 04:19:34,420
Yes.

2950
04:19:34,840 --> 04:19:35,340
Approved.

2951
04:19:35,580 --> 04:19:36,180
5-0.

2952
04:19:38,000 --> 04:19:38,120
Okay.

2953
04:19:38,200 --> 04:19:38,820
Next item.

2954
04:19:39,720 --> 04:19:40,080
Item.

2955
04:19:40,680 --> 04:19:41,440
5-E.

2956
04:19:41,720 --> 04:19:46,620
Approval of a wireless marketing agreement with five-bars communities, DVA, XG communities.

2957
04:19:46,820 --> 04:19:49,220
LLC, a Delaware-limited liability company.

2958
04:19:50,120 --> 04:19:50,860
So, staff report, please.

2959
04:19:52,520 --> 04:19:53,540
Thank you, Mayor and Council.

2960
04:19:53,680 --> 04:19:54,260
It'll be brief.

2961
04:19:54,740 --> 04:19:59,600
This is a follow-up to the action you took last week to oppose Senate Bill 649.

2962
04:19:59,600 --> 04:20:00,000
Thanks for watching, and I'll see you in the next video, and I'll see you in the next video.

2963
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:15,220
This is really a strategy to protect the city from the by-right law that will allow proliferation of small cell installations on all public properties in the public parks and on public right away.

2964
04:20:15,220 --> 04:20:44,760
What we've structured and negotiated with five bars communities is an agreement tailored on our standard form agreement, which preserves the city's full discretionary approvals of any small cell or large cell installation in the city, and we are doing this in theory to protect us from this law allowing anyone to come on to the street and have a buy-write authority to install a small cell.

2965
04:20:44,760 --> 04:20:47,260
installation anywhere in the city.

2966
04:20:48,480 --> 04:20:49,520
So we've structured this.

2967
04:20:49,640 --> 04:20:53,660
We've identified in the staff report that this vendor has been through several

2968
04:20:53,660 --> 04:20:58,420
competitive selection processes with other public agencies and the way that this

2969
04:20:58,420 --> 04:21:03,020
is structured is with a sharing of gross profits on any leases that

2970
04:21:03,020 --> 04:21:08,140
ultimately we end up approving for any installations on public

2971
04:21:08,140 --> 04:21:10,360
properties because there could be some that we ultimately

2972
04:21:10,360 --> 04:21:13,940
need to decide our valuable and worthwhile install.

2973
04:21:14,420 --> 04:21:18,320
But the goal of this was really to protect the city from seeing any proliferation of small

2974
04:21:18,320 --> 04:21:19,020
cell technology.

2975
04:21:20,240 --> 04:21:25,280
So Greg Steininger from Clibarsis here, I'm happy to go into any details, but I would

2976
04:21:25,280 --> 04:21:26,360
end my report with that.

2977
04:21:26,400 --> 04:21:26,880
Thank you.

2978
04:21:27,400 --> 04:21:29,280
And I would just just note it's important.

2979
04:21:29,900 --> 04:21:34,820
I think for council things would be important to you that you still are going to have

2980
04:21:34,820 --> 04:21:41,480
the approval of the design and where it goes under this contract and also we do have the

2981
04:21:41,480 --> 04:21:47,280
ability to terminate this contract if in fact you feel that that's appropriate or if

2982
04:21:47,280 --> 04:21:51,740
that's state law changes and if we don't do this on the stake and come in and put in whatever

2983
04:21:51,740 --> 04:21:58,400
they want we have no sacred that's my understanding yeah the wireless vendors could come to

2984
04:21:58,400 --> 04:22:03,280
the city essentially get a ministerial permit the staff does feel the bill is on the verge

2985
04:22:03,280 --> 04:22:05,300
it's very close. Okay.

2986
04:22:06,880 --> 04:22:08,100
Sounds really good.

2987
04:22:08,220 --> 04:22:08,780
Councilmember Mills.

2988
04:22:09,260 --> 04:22:10,020
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

2989
04:22:11,260 --> 04:22:13,640
Marcus, so understanding what,

2990
04:22:13,980 --> 04:22:18,740
essentially, these become a utility of public utility.

2991
04:22:20,560 --> 04:22:25,700
But are they required or are they required to go through,

2992
04:22:25,780 --> 04:22:27,220
get a building permit?

2993
04:22:28,200 --> 04:22:28,280
Yes.

2994
04:22:28,580 --> 04:22:30,480
They would still have to come to the city for permits,

2995
04:22:30,480 --> 04:22:36,820
but the city wouldn't be allowed to reject the permit for any discretionary meeting.

2996
04:22:36,840 --> 04:22:40,000
Well, they could reject it on structural purposes reasons couldn't they?

2997
04:22:40,160 --> 04:22:41,680
I mean, if it's not safe, correct.

2998
04:22:42,740 --> 04:22:45,040
Okay, but that's as far as it could go.

2999
04:22:46,180 --> 04:22:47,120
Thank you.

3000
04:22:48,840 --> 04:22:49,820
Any other discussion?

3001
04:22:51,160 --> 04:22:54,700
No, I think when I got through reading the staff report, I feel like I do now, which is tired.

3002
04:22:55,500 --> 04:23:01,640
But really appreciate how quickly this is happening before the bill gets totally through

3003
04:23:01,640 --> 04:23:04,800
inside. It's really creative. There's no funds being

3004
04:23:04,800 --> 04:23:07,340
expended by the city and I think this is a really smart

3005
04:23:07,340 --> 04:23:10,680
art idea and I'll move this. I hope. I hope

3006
04:23:10,680 --> 04:23:12,600
the oceans have been made in a second. I don't know any further

3007
04:23:12,600 --> 04:23:15,760
discussion. Seeing none city clerk would you take a take a

3008
04:23:15,760 --> 04:23:19,940
boat please. Yes sir. Council member of course. Yes.

3009
04:23:20,040 --> 04:23:23,900
Council member Mills. Council member Roberts. Yes.

3010
04:23:24,500 --> 04:23:28,900
Mayor Pro Temphot. Yes. Mayor Moon. Yes. Approved 5.0.

3011
04:23:28,900 --> 04:23:31,860
Thank you very much. Item five F.

3012
04:23:32,520 --> 04:23:38,040
A point two members of the City Council to an ad hoc subcommittee to assist with the recruitment of the city clerk.

3013
04:23:39,280 --> 04:23:40,180
Staff report.

3014
04:23:40,720 --> 04:23:47,760
Mayor just obviously would like two members to join with us for the interviews for the clerks position.

3015
04:23:48,080 --> 04:23:52,600
As you know, our interim city clerk is retiring the end of the year.

3016
04:23:52,600 --> 04:23:57,780
we have a recruiter on board that's working to find a

3017
04:23:57,780 --> 04:24:00,860
a University of candidates and we would expect to have

3018
04:24:00,860 --> 04:24:04,000
interviews sometime in an October timeframe.

3019
04:24:04,540 --> 04:24:05,820
I'd be happy to do that.

3020
04:24:06,120 --> 04:24:06,500
Yeah, so what?

3021
04:24:07,980 --> 04:24:08,780
I'd be happy to do that.

3022
04:24:08,900 --> 04:24:09,700
Maybe you two should.

3023
04:24:10,980 --> 04:24:11,160
Okay.

3024
04:24:11,500 --> 04:24:14,300
Can I just ask a question, Dr. Ready, do you really need a?

3025
04:24:14,480 --> 04:24:15,500
Do you really need that from us?

3026
04:24:15,660 --> 04:24:19,940
I mean, this is somebody that works very closely with you.

3027
04:24:20,780 --> 04:24:21,960
I mean, I'm happy to do it as well.

3028
04:24:21,960 --> 04:24:27,040
I want to do it. That's fine. I appreciate your confidence and my ability to pick good candidate.

3029
04:24:27,700 --> 04:24:36,960
And again, I do this only because the position of clerk obviously, there's a close working connection with the city council.

3030
04:24:37,500 --> 04:24:42,800
And for this, I just thought it might be helpful if the city council could weigh in on it.

3031
04:24:42,880 --> 04:24:50,180
We've done this also for the police and fire chief, so certain positions I feel that it's sort of a,

3032
04:24:50,180 --> 04:24:54,480
not only a good gesture, but it helps me in picking the right candidate, I believe.

3033
04:24:54,500 --> 04:24:56,340
Well, we also did that with our IT director.

3034
04:24:56,940 --> 04:24:57,320
That's correct.

3035
04:24:58,700 --> 04:24:59,960
So, okay.

3036
04:25:00,420 --> 04:25:04,960
I'm more than happy to defer to our outgoing council members, if one of them would like to do it.

3037
04:25:04,960 --> 04:25:07,940
No, this is volunteering for me that I am not.

3038
04:25:08,460 --> 04:25:10,100
I'm happy to do it.

3039
04:25:10,280 --> 04:25:11,960
Well, I said I would do it.

3040
04:25:12,360 --> 04:25:12,760
Whatever.

3041
04:25:14,120 --> 04:25:15,640
I never go anywhere, I'm always here.

3042
04:25:17,020 --> 04:25:17,760
I go places.

3043
04:25:18,400 --> 04:25:19,320
I don't.

3044
04:25:19,400 --> 04:25:21,160
Okay, so do we have to vote on this?

3045
04:25:21,340 --> 04:25:22,440
I don't think we do, no we.

3046
04:25:23,440 --> 04:25:25,680
I'm sorry, it was Councilman Roberts and who?

3047
04:25:25,700 --> 04:25:27,060
No, Jeffout, Jeff and I.

3048
04:25:27,060 --> 04:25:30,380
course and thank you very much.

3049
04:25:30,600 --> 04:25:31,660
Thank you.

3050
04:25:31,780 --> 04:25:32,020
Okay.

3051
04:25:32,300 --> 04:25:33,440
Next item, public comment.

3052
04:25:33,640 --> 04:25:37,280
Non-agenda items is time has been set aside for members of the public to address the city

3053
04:25:37,280 --> 04:25:41,200
council on items of general interest within the subject matter jurisdiction of the city.

3054
04:25:41,360 --> 04:25:44,840
Although the city council values your comments, pursuant to the Brown Act to generally cannot

3055
04:25:44,840 --> 04:25:47,600
take any action on items not listed on the post of the agenda.

3056
04:25:48,160 --> 04:25:54,040
Two minutes will be assigned to each speaker and with that we will open the public comments

3057
04:25:54,040 --> 04:25:54,960
on general items.

3058
04:25:54,960 --> 04:26:00,420
there's one speaker that's requested to speak Henry Hampton. Anyone else in the vast audience

3059
04:26:00,420 --> 04:26:02,240
wishes to speak? Please turn out to Card.

3060
04:26:06,090 --> 04:26:10,050
It's all you. Council Member Foto Mills. I want to

3061
04:26:10,050 --> 04:26:16,270
personally commend you for the 30 combined years of service that you've given our city and the

3062
04:26:16,270 --> 04:26:22,370
hard work. Each of you spent several hours of your personal lives getting us to where we are today

3063
04:26:22,370 --> 04:26:27,890
and moving us forward, building the momentum that the city's experience for the last few

3064
04:26:27,890 --> 04:26:33,670
years, especially the last two years that I've been back here, you are partly the inspiration

3065
04:26:33,670 --> 04:26:41,110
for me to run to continue that balanced momentum and propel this city forward. I want

3066
04:26:41,110 --> 04:26:48,650
to sincerely thank each of you for your dedication to do good for our city. Thank you. Your

3067
04:26:48,650 --> 04:26:52,250
job is not thankless. Truly isn't.

3068
04:26:54,970 --> 04:26:58,790
Anybody else wish to speak? City clerk? No, sir. No.

3069
04:26:58,790 --> 04:27:03,810
we will close public comments. Next item, City Council and City Manager requests and upcoming

3070
04:27:03,810 --> 04:27:07,530
agenda development. Anyone from the staff, as well, of course?

3071
04:27:08,110 --> 04:27:17,170
Sure. During our mayor-protein-photonized meetings with police chief and police officers

3072
04:27:17,170 --> 04:27:22,690
and the firefighters, one of the things that came up is they we start talking about other

3073
04:27:22,690 --> 04:27:28,230
ways to work better with the departments and it was suggested by them that for the next

3074
04:27:28,230 --> 04:27:33,770
a couple of months, we create an ad hoc public safety subcommittee, so Mayor

3075
04:27:33,770 --> 04:27:38,130
Perth and I can continue to do that, which you can appoint tonight, I believe,

3076
04:27:38,330 --> 04:27:42,190
according to Dr. Ready, but that was the right way to do it, I think.

3077
04:27:44,760 --> 04:27:50,480
Yes, Mayor, you certainly have the ability to appoint a subcommittee, okay? So, who

3078
04:27:50,480 --> 04:27:51,300
do you want to that subcommittee?

3079
04:27:52,060 --> 04:27:55,960
We're ready, we've already started, so a little point, Councillor McCorres and Mayor

3080
04:27:55,960 --> 04:27:57,740
Perth and vote, thank you.

3081
04:27:57,960 --> 04:27:58,360
Thank you.

3082
04:27:58,360 --> 04:28:00,740
Thank you. Anyone else?

3083
04:28:01,460 --> 04:28:09,640
Dr. Rady, this is a little nitpicky thing, but I've mentioned a couple of times before, but that whole in the dome above Oscars is getting bigger and bigger.

3084
04:28:10,280 --> 04:28:13,320
And pieces of that roof are falling off.

3085
04:28:14,760 --> 04:28:18,940
Do you, could we address that with the owner and see if they can repair that thing?

3086
04:28:19,680 --> 04:28:23,580
Yeah, I've already talked with Michael Bronson, I'll remind him again.

3087
04:28:24,000 --> 04:28:25,440
Okay, because it's getting bigger.

3088
04:28:26,100 --> 04:28:27,660
Okay, thank you. Anything else?

3089
04:28:29,320 --> 04:28:33,720
Okay, seeing that, seeing none of us, we will, everybody's been waiting for this.

3090
04:28:34,080 --> 04:28:38,260
We will adjourn the City Council to the next regular meeting on Wednesday, September

3091
04:28:38,260 --> 04:28:44,040
the 6th, 2017 at 6 o'clock, hopefully in the Council chamber city hall, seated by a closed

3092
04:28:44,040 --> 04:28:44,480
session.

3093
04:28:44,860 --> 04:28:47,040
Thank you very much and everyone have a good August.