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Good evening. Good evening. I hear welcome back. We all made it back. Good evening. I hear by call the Palm Springs regular city council meeting in August 26, 2026 to order after a month of being dark. I ask if you can please stand for the pledge of allegiance.

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Raise your right hand on your heart. Ready? Begin. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands. One nation under God.

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I acknowledge that the land we gather, live, and work on today, currently known as the City of Palm Springs, is the original homeland of the Agua Caliente Band of Cuyah Indians.

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The sovereign band of Agua Caliente people have stewarded this land throughout the generations and continue to steward this land for all future generations.

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We honor and respect the many diverse indigenous people still connected to this land.

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Madam City Clerk, can you please conduct roll call?

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Let the record reflect that all members are present.

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At this time, we're going to start our meeting with a special tribute to Chief Indy Mills

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who is retiring after five years of excellent service to our Palm Springs community.

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We have a quick video.

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I was going to share first, if

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it's written.

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There we go.

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Steve, we want to thank you for your service and for all that you and your team have done

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these last five years to ensure that Palm Springs continues to be a safe and welcoming place for

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everyone. I'd like to give you a little bit. This is your last council meeting and so any

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wise words of wisdom for us as a city? Well, Madam Mayor and council members, I don't know if I have

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any wise words of wisdom, but I've never been short on words, so this could take a couple hours.

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I am really proud of what was accomplished here in Palm Springs from the standpoint of the relationships that were built.

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And I could not be more happy with the men and women of the police department that are standing here in the crowd.

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And who show up day in and day out, 124 degrees heat or three o'clock in the morning when it's freezing here in town.

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They're there protecting us, making sure that they're doing the very best job they can for the city.

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And so I could not be more proud of the culture that has developed over the past five years.

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And a lot of that really goes to Deputy Chief Stern and Lieutenant Torres and Captain Eriza and

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Lieutenant Villegas who are all here tonight.

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And Sergeant Lamb, because they are the ones that are pushing the agenda.

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making sure we have a culture that takes care of this community.

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And the mission will continue after I leave.

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I'm also proud of the relationship built with this community.

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You all have been warm,

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supportive, loving, fantastic in every way.

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We may not always agree on things,

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but I think that the most important thing in a city like this is this level

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of civility that we see in how we treat each other, and I am so proud of the majority

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of our community, the vast majority of our community, who is willing to have an

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earnest hard discussion but do it in a way that makes all of us proud to be Americans.

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And then finally, the administrative staff of the city, the city manager as well as the

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city council, each member here, I feel like I have a very good relationship with, I want

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I want to thank you for all the support, getting us the resources that we need to get the job done, and it has been a fantastic ride, and certainly the crown jewel of my 49 year career, so thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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And I just want to allow any of my colleagues, if anyone else wants to say any parting words to the chief.

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Once we've made it for time, do you want to start us off?

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Yeah, well, I think we all have so much what you could say, and I won't take a lot of time here, but Chief, thank you.

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You know, we've had many chiefs, and it goes without saying you were one of the amazing chiefs what you've done.

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We thank you for all the things you've done, but I would just say that, you know, you're always welcoming Palm Springs, and I think I share with all my council members saying that you and

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Kathy, we'll have lifetime front row seats to council meetings whenever you like.

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All right?

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And thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Councilmember Greiner.

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Chief, just thank you so much for really being willing to have tough conversations.

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I think almost all of my conversations with you about things that I started with.

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I don't like this.

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And you've been willing to sit in less than and talk through every single issue and we certainly do not always agree.

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But we've always been able to come to a point of really productive conversation.

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And it's been really impressive to see that throughout the police department.

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I've lived in Palm Springs all my life and I've talked to our officers about experiences

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that I've had in the past or my family has had in the past and it's markedly different

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today and I've been impressed with how much it's changed in five years.

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So thank you for bringing us to this place where we can actually sit down and talk through

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things and not just be told too bad.

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Thank you

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so second all of that. I also want to mention you know I want to thank you for how much you championed your department.

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I think we're all better and they're better for it but you are their biggest cheerleader and the biggest fan and you've left us with an amazing team.

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And I also want to thank you for bringing civility and inclusiveness and community to the department and to the whole city overall.

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I think we all agree that you really brought Palm Springs together as one and that legacy will live on even after you leave, so thank you.

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Thank you, Mayor. Chief, you know, 16 years I've been in Palm Springs and have worked with every chief.

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in the department, and I can certainly say, and people who've been in town know, that

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the relationship with the police department hasn't always been roses and chocolates.

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It's been a rocky road to say the least, but your arrival was the turning point for

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for a positive shift in how public safety was perceived and is perceived by residents

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in the community.

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And you've made that shift while fulfilling the duties of a police chief with a very

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firm hand to enforce law enforcement.

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But with a very friendly approach and an open door and that is all the difference.

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The culture within the police department has significantly moved forward into a positive

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position.

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culture within the department changes the perceptions outside of the department.

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And I think there is, I don't think there's anybody who can say that the perception

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of policing in Palm Springs has not changed for the better because of what you brought

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to Palm Springs.

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So I appreciate your service, you've become a friend, and in all of my years working with police departments.

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Kathy is the only power spouse that has ever accompanied the Chief 247.

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You two made an incredibly great team and Palm Springs is a much better place because

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of both of you.

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Thank you.

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I just want to echo what all my colleagues have mentioned and you know our city is

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wonderful because of our residents and because of the staff and our leadership that helped

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Steward, the community, the culture, the relationships, and as police chief you've played

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a vital role in that and so I think a lot about the US police chief and the leaders across

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our city who help our city evolve and grow and kind of take new shape for the residents

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and community members and visitors who are here and so thank you for getting us to this

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for the department, for our residents, for everyone who's here, and you know, if you see us in the news and it's good things, it doesn't know that that's part of your legacy too.

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And with that, I'm going to hand it over to our city manager who, you know, worked directly best and for his thoughts as well.

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Thank you Madam Mayor, I just wanted to echo the comments of all the other members of City Council.

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I think probably the most important relationship that a city manager has is with the police chief.

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Such an important job that he has the work that a police

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Police Chief does can be so meaningful in a community and we've all seen cities where police chiefs haven't done as well. And we know that the problems that that can create in communities and Chief Mills, we've been through a lot of really hard things, just even in the last three or four years. Hurricanes, we've had a terrible terrorist body, bombing. And a lot of other really

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difficult situations but we've also had a lot of really enjoyable times and I know I speak for

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all the 650 of our city staff in wishing him well, all of our departments, our police department

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interacts with almost every department that we have in one way or another at some point in time

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And Chief Mills was always a positive collaborator.

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A lot of times he was a mentor for some of our younger department directors.

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He was always somebody who was willing to think creatively outside of the box.

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And he was somebody that could help other departments sometimes figure out issues unrelated to policing.

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And that's just a sign of a really good leader.

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And so as city manager, I'm going to miss him greatly.

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But we want to wish him well and, you know, I think just all the great things will always welcome you back and to come back and visit us often.

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So thank you, Chief.

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We're getting directed to take a picture.

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We are going to move on in our agenda for another presentation from our community emergency response team, the CERT program and emergency

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I see proper preparedness.

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I'm meeting Madam Mayor, Council, staff.

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So I got asked if I could come up with community emergency preparedness slideshow of presentation.

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And so I thought about it, and we have over 50 volunteer organizations that are active in disasters in Riverside County.

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We typically think of Red Cross, fine food bank.

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So I brought two in, and just while they're here, not counting the red shirts in that row.

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So, we actually have other volunteers in the room for both of these organizations.

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Brenda, it's not go.

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There it is.

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All right, so what is VoED?

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It's a volunteer organization active in disasters.

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They do all of the things that are police and fire known to.

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They feed people.

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They provide spiritual and mental health to people.

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They reduce the complications and requirements that the city can't provide.

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because we're focused on maintaining governance.

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Like I said, we have over 50, I brought in two,

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they're the ones that are going to talk,

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and I'm only going to talk about our cert team,

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unless council member Garner wants to talk about cert.

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No.

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So Palm Springs, we have community emergency response team.

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It's a 20 hour class that we bring in members of the community

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and we train them on how to help themselves

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and help their neighbors during a disaster.

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Like I said, when a disaster happens, our police and fire services are going to be overwhelmed.

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And so the more people that we have trained in the community to help themselves,

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it is just a blessing for us.

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And we provide it, we provide it three times a year, every year, it's at no cost to our community.

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We have a cert class that's in October, all 40 seats were taken within three days of it opening.

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and that's how it is. All three classes every year. So I'll turn it over to

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CVDPN.

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Thank you Daniel and good afternoon everyone. Madam Mayor, Council and

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staff city manager. My name is Mitch Brown and I am president of the Coachella

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Valley disaster preparedness network. We go by CVDPN. I'm joined by my fellow

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volunteers behind me. We are an all volunteer nonprofit. We exist to help

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city's trained residents to become more resilient and better prepared during the critical first 72 hours after a major disaster.

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So as opposed to responding, we're the training side of VoAD.

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So with more residents, self-sufficient, the city can set focus on getting back open and the infrastructure back up and life can get back to normal sooner rather than later.

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So far, in 2026, we have trained more than actually 4,000 people in the last week.

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We've added quite a number to our total.

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And our volunteers have provided over 41, how 4,100 hours of service to make that happen.

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Our impact is solid, but we feel that the more important metric are the outcomes.

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We surveyed those that took at least one class from CBDPN and 88% of those that responded

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told us that they have taken at least one step toward becoming prepared.

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We are thankful, let me see.

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There we go.

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We are thankful for our partnerships throughout the valley, including Palm Springs.

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Not every city has an emergency manager.

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We are grateful to have Daniel as a partner in training the community.

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Some of our newer Palm Springs partners include Palm Springs Unified School District,

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Jewish Family Services, Greater Palm Springs Realtors, and

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we are often the go-to resource for News Channel 3 for disaster preparedness stories.

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Our curriculum is developed from the Governor's Office of Emergency Services, Riverside County EMD,

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and earthquake country alliance, who created the great California shakeout.

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You could divide our training into three groups.

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We have personal preparedness, which is our number one program that we take on the road,

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and we also teach at the conference room at the Regional Access Project Foundation in Palm

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Desert.

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This proven model is ready to scale up into larger venues in Palm Springs.

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people leave this class knowing how to prepare in their home, their car, their place of

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work, and to be on their own for two weeks.

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We also do community disaster plan development, and this instructs HOA leaders how to write

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their own disaster plans and form their own safety committees.

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They leave with 15 ready-made templates to do so.

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And the third is health skills and safety workshops in partnership with Desert Regional

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trauma unit. We teach, stop the bleed, watch your step, hands only CPR, and we're addressing

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extreme heat like today with our program Let's Beat the Heat. Everyone that comes gets

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a ready-to-go bag like this, and it's filled with English and Spanish information on how to

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become prepared and build your go bags. And we include things like flashlights, first-day

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a fire blanket that are provided by private and public grant funding.

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So what have we done in Palm Springs in 2026?

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I probably should move on quickly, so I'm going to show it up there.

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Daniel invited us to do some training at the Sir class.

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In March, we partnered with American Red Cross to do the Sound the Alarm at the Sahara Mobile

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Home Park.

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I believe we've become a catalyst for change at Palm Springs Unified School District.

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And we've done training at Palm Springs Rotary, the James of Jesse Center, and the Maisel Center.

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So it's 384 people that are better prepared to survive a disaster.

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So we all know that disasters are if, not when, at any time we could be faced with a major earthquake,

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flooding, fire, extreme heat, severe wind, acts of terror.

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Preparedness in Palm Springs has the special importance with a year-round population of 45,000 growing to 90,000 in season and about 14 million annual visitors.

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And wouldn't it be nice when a major disaster occurs that a resident knows how to stop severe bleeding, perform CPR, safely respond in an earthquake, prepare for extreme heat, or help a neighbor like we do insert.

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The city's overall local hazard mitigation plan strategy calls for public outreach preparing residents to respond to emergencies and increasing education and training opportunities.

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And CVDPN is already identified in your plan as an emergency management partner.

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So, we're here tonight to offer to expand our partnership to bring more training directly

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to Palm Springs neighborhoods, HOAs, senior centers, and businesses.

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Having a consistent place to hold training and utilizing the city's communication channels

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to help residents find these programs would be a dream of ours realized.

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You can call on us to feel any training gaps.

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And this is what success looks like.

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We would be honored to strengthen our partnership with the city, and thank you for your time tonight, and you're up, Bob.

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Hello, Mayor, staff, and City Councilman, thank you for having me here today.

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My name is Bobby, we're already on the 30 year retired veteran from the Palm Springs Fire Department.

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When I retired in 2015, I was looking for something to do, and I happened upon these guys.

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I don't know if you've heard of Team Rubicon at all but we are, we were founded in 2010 back in the

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Haiti earthquake. A couple retired Marines were looking for something to do they knew that they

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could help so they snuck themselves into the country with eight of their buddies. And the 10 of

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them spent about two weeks down there providing medical care and they put together the Team Rubicon while

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they were down there. We operate both domestically and internationally. We have only 140 page staff.

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We've got over 200,000 volunteers.

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We have 1,200 regional volunteers in the Southern California area.

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We're our 501 C3 nonprofit and we are involved with the charity watch and navigator.

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So who we are.

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Like we said, we started with two volunteers or two retired Marines.

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So we're 50 to 65% of veterans.

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We run about 15 to 20% of first responders, police and police and fire guys.

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We happen to have another gray shirt in here, and then we have about 20 to 30% kick-ass what we call kick-ass civilians.

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We have about, deployable about 38,000.

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Locally, we have, in the Southern California area, we have 4,200 deployable gray shirts of which 1,000 last year volunteered out of state.

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Over 18, background check, and we do have one online course that takes you about an hour.

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Some of the capabilities that we're able to do are general debris removal.

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We have a full chainsaw route clearing, house clearing, debris clearing.

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We're trained to the U.S. Forest Service standards.

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We also offer heavy equipment, which is the skid steers and the excavators.

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We do muckouts and tarping.

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We offer tarping classes.

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We also do flood fighting, that's change.

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We changed that.

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That's our sandbag class, but we think flood fighting sounds a little bit more professional.

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We also offer fire mitigation.

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We also do response for support where we do point of distributions.

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We've done that for Riverside County quite a few times.

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We've also sitting at EOC and we're able to do shelter setups on par with American Red Cross.

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So some of the specifics, I'm not going to bore you with all of our numbers.

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Some of the things that pay attention to though, we're the eating fire where you see it says,

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well, we've fenced 390 homes.

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That was a first for us.

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We worked with the county Los Angeles to fence these homes from squatters, basically.

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People were moving in and parking on other people's property and taking over property.

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So we spent a couple of weeks, fence and homes.

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The Big Bear Fire Medigation, we did one up there in March,

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where we helped with fire mitigating around a local property.

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And then we were just up there in June, where we worked the US Forest Service and

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we dropped over 2,200 trees for the US Forest Service.

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So, that was the first for us again.

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This is the buzz word right about now as the El Nino Preparedness.

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That little graph you see up there on the left is all the weather reporting stations.

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That's their prediction for the El Nino coming in.

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As you can see, it's way over what we've ever seen before.

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So, we're running through offering sandbag classes both internally and externally.

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channel clearing, root clearance, general debris removal.

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We've got roof tarping classes, and like I said, sandbag classes that we offer to city municipalities, voids, and a home and association.

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Basically, that's us in a nutshell, about a two minute run through. We are happy to work with anything you guys need. We are as a phone call away. We were active in the Hillary response for the city of Cathedral City, where we mucked out 13 homes in a two week period. So we have some volunteers here that helped out with that.

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But any questions you guys might have feel free to send them my way.

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I believe my contacts in there, so that's all center nutshell.

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Thank you.

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The volunteer organizations that we have here in the valley really make my job a lot easier.

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I couldn't do it without them.

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They come help teach classes.

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There's only one of me so getting to all of our neighborhoods is extremely challenging.

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So I rely on them to come in and do some of that for us.

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We didn't use them for Hillary for our sandbagging operations because Cat City needed them more and I told them that we were okay.

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So that's it for us, any questions, Madam Mayor, Council?

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Just an incredible fee and commitment to service, so I just want to say thank you for all that you've done in preparing us in training our residents and community.

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And just a important reminder that El Nino this year is expected to be quite the wet season.

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and so thank you in advance, I guess is what I'm gonna say.

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Council Member Garner.

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Thank you.

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So thank you for all of you for being here

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and talking about this.

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You know, I was mayor during Hurricane Hillary

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and disaster preparedness, it's always important,

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but I got a real different look at it

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when I was mayor during that time.

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And it's been, become really more of a passion

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of mine to get more involved in emergency response.

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And so thank you for doing this.

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I took the March CERT class with Danny, and I learned a lot, and I got to know other neighbors.

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And so we have this great network here in Palm Springs of residents who have taken CERT.

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If you haven't taken the classes, I really highly recommend enforcing my whole family to do it.

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I have family member in the October class.

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And if you're interested, the class are October 16th and the 18th.

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While it is full, you can always go on the waiting list.

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Daniel will put you on the waiting list.

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January 22nd to 24th and then March 5th to 7th.

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So I highly recommend it to my council members as well, it really helps you to get a better

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understanding of how this works.

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For anyone looking for volunteer opportunities, both the Coachella Valley disaster preparedness

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and team Rubicon are always busy.

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I don't know how many times I've talked to Bob's wife, it was a friend of mine, and she's

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Like, oh, Bob is out doing something for Team Rubicon,

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I mean, like always busy,

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and I know Mitch is doing trainings constantly with his team.

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So, for all of you who always ask,

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where can I volunteer?

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Those are two groups that will keep you very busy,

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and it's a very worthwhile cause.

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So, thank you for being here,

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and for sharing some information.

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Good else?

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Yeah, Councilor Bernstein.

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So, thank you all for this, and thank you, Danny.

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name. All of the contacts and information and that's all on engagepalmsprings.com.

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It is all on engage. It's all on the city's website. It's all over our social media. We

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make sure it's out there. Okay. So that's how people, if they want

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to find out about Team Rubicon or what you're doing or the chart classes, they can all go

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there. Okay. Thank you. All right. Thank you guys.

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On

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August 22nd, we honored Devon, Green, and Handsome Ned that they were recognized for their contributions to the Palm Springs community through their entertaining performances, community involvement and efforts to bring people together.

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They were honored for their charitable work and for promoting Palm Springs through their talent creativity and civic pride, so big thanks to them both.

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Our next item is the acceptance of the agenda. The City Council will discuss the order of the agenda, amend the order at urgency items, note abstentions or no votes on consent items or request consent calendar items to be removed for separate discussion.

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Are there any requests? And if you can make the note if it's removed for separate discussion or you just have a comment.

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Okay, that's a number to heart.

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Yes, I need to recuse on one cue because a payment spin issue to an organization that I am involved with.

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I'd like to pull T for staff report, V for staff report and comment on W.

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Got it, I'll wait, I'll put you in the long spot.

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Council member Bernstein?

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Yes, thank you Madam Mayor.

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I'd like to pull one P as in Papa and one AA as in Alpha Alpha.

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For a separate discussion, yeah,

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Mayor Pratton.

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Yes, I think you had a question on, a question on H, I, L, M, and O, and I.

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Just questions, do you want to staff report on it?

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Just a question, just a question, and a staff report for X, and a question on H,

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on why ANZ?

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Okay, so have a staff report on X questions on HILM00YZ.

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Yes, thank you.

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Okay. I believe we are pulling I, correct?

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Yes, Madam Mayor, staff would like to request item I, B, poll.

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We have some more work with Procurement to do on that.

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We'll bring it back to the future date.

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Okay, so that would be HILM00YZ.

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I just have a recusal from one you, with

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my list.

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What, you which is what, it's, what, what is that?

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Oh, yes, oh thank you, yes, please allow me to recuse on one you, thank you for the reminder.

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Hold X.

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okay, so we're

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going to do,

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what do we, so we have comments on HLM-OW.

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New, YZ, comment or question, separate discussion, staff report on P-T-B-X-A-A and recusals for on you, for mayor pro-tem, ready, council member garner, and a recusal on Q for council member to heart.

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We would like to entertain a motion to accept the agenda is presented.

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You have a motion in a second.

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Mayor Pratton.

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Not loading.

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Yes, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Motion carries.

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At this time, I'd like to invite City Attorney Ballinger to provide a report on closed session, please.

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I guess Honorable Mayor members of the City Council, the City Council met in closed session earlier tonight.

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Did you discuss the three items that are listed on the agenda and there is no reportable action?

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Thank you.

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Our next item is public testimony.

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This time has been set aside for members of the public to address the City Council on

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non-public hearing agenda items only.

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Two minutes are assigned for each speaker.

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You are asked to please begin your time by telling us what agenda item you are speaking on,

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agenda item or items.

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Testimony for public hearing specifically will be taken at the time of public hearing.

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So, if you have two A to B, those will be taken up public hearing.

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If you do not have an agenda item that you're speaking on, those will be taken at the end of the meeting.

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If you have anything, if you have any written comments that you'd like to share with City Council, we ask that you share those with the City Clerk for distribution.

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Okay,

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we're first speaker this evening is Jenny Weissman, please.

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Thank

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you, Madam Mayor, Council members and staff, and thank you to Councilmember Garner for inviting me to speak.

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I am Jenny Weissman, Founder and Executive Director of Pet Minister P.S. since 2009.

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And over the past 17 years, we have found loving forever homes for over 800 lost abandoned and surrendered pets.

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And as some of you know, because I've met with you about this project, I've been developing new harmony affordable housing for seniors and pets.

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So I was happy to hear that the Yellow Pump Canyon was pet friendly and accepting applications.

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Then I found out there was a one time $300 per pet deposit and a building described as low income over $55 affordable housing.

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Needless to say, I was shocked.

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I told council member Garner about it and that I would contact the developer who I met with at the groundbreaking.

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WHCH was also surprised by the high cost, which was determined by the new management company they hired and began looking at ways to drastically reduce those fees.

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And when they called me a couple of months later, I was glad to learn that they hired a new management company for

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the current company charges a one-time fee of $100 per pet and that can be waived in certain circumstances.

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So I considered that a big win.

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The high cost to pet ownership, including pet deposits, especially for seniors and families facing financial hardship in our community inspired me to create the pet relief fund.

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And I have partnered with the Palm Springs Animal Shelter and greater Palm Springs Animal Allies to help people keep their pets in their homes and

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We'll leave our overcrowded shelters.

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There's a startling statistic that one out of three people may have to surrender their beloved pet because of the cost.

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We are approaching local businesses to install a prompt on the registers and websites at no cost to them for a roundup on a purchase or a donation to help fund our voucher program.

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Which all of our residents will be able to apply for a safety net, which includes vet care, pet deposits, grooming, pet food, and other pet related expenses.

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The pet relief fund vouchers will be paid directly to the vendor, and hopefully reduce the overpopulation in our shelters by keeping beloved pets from being surrendered in the band in due to financial hardship, where our goal is to keep pets in their families together, and we're looking for your support.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Ms. Weissman.

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And our next speaker is,

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our next speaker is Don, are you Lindsay Rowe?

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I am.

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Lindsay Rowe.

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I can wait though.

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No, that's fine.

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I just don't see.

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Well, good evening.

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Madam Mayor, council members and staff.

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My name is Lindsay.

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I am a year-round Palm Springs resident, a wildlife biologist who's worked on many projects

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about habitat fragmentation and how that negatively impacts native species and ecosystems.

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I'm also a science educator who skills are in translating high-level science to everyday

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citizens who are curious about the world.

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I'm here to offer data, just a drop of data in a sea of it in support of agenda items

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3B, a temporary ban while also recommending a permanent ban for data centers in Palm Springs.

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There's a buzzword called closed loop system that is what these developers are saying that

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these data centers are using.

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They're also stating that it's water neutral yet the Microsoft CEO for AI also states that

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they're previously optimized closed loop sites are consuming large volumes of water.

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There's a lot of contradiction.

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2023 study by UCR University of Texas found that just training one model consumed an estimated

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185,000 gallons of water to manage that heat and 97 percent of that water consumed is drawn

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from municipal drinking water systems. Desert data centers have to use supplemental cooling

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systems because it's hot if you didn't know. It's to combat the summer heat and those monsoonal

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months which create those wet bulb temperatures and it comes at an extreme cost significantly

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increasing water use and energy draws. The Colorado River is in crisis, I won't fear monger.

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And California is taking deep cuts to that water alignment.

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So the building of data centers, anywhere in Palm Springs, or the desert,

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incorporated, unincorporated is catastrophic and holy air responsible.

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Next, we have Hank Bates, then we have Don Sosa, Hank Bates here.

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I'm going to read this, but I want to get all my facts in here, so I don't want to mess

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it up.

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The opposition to data centers is fueled by genuine concerns, but also by a great deal

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of misinformation and by treating every data center, as though it were a massive, high-for-scale

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Actuality, operated by meta, practice off, or Google. That simply is not the case. Small, appropriately

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located data centers could operate within existing commercial and industrial buildings. It should

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be elevated or evaluated, I'm sorry, under actual impact. Not prohibited simply because

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of a fall under the broad category of data center.

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I'm strange currently has a small data center

432
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:33,160
and operates it.

433
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:36,800
What is often missing from this discussion

434
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,920
is what happened this community's refuse

435
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,720
to accommodate to digital infrastructure,

436
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:46,680
our economy increasingly depends upon.

437
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,760
With the soon to be open colleagues

438
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:51,500
of the Desert Pops Freaks campus,

439
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:53,860
this, our need will increase.

440
00:45:54,900 --> 00:45:57,380
With new technologies coming available,

441
00:45:57,980 --> 00:46:01,860
both the City of Ponds Free Fire Department and Police

442
00:46:01,860 --> 00:46:04,920
Department will have an increased need as well.

443
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,920
Ponds Free have an opportunity to establish reasonable

444
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:14,680
standards while still welcoming smaller technology businesses

445
00:46:15,140 --> 00:46:19,940
that can make productive use of appropriately-zoned properties.

446
00:46:19,940 --> 00:46:48,540
Rather than closing the door on an entire category of modern business, I respectfully urge the council to regulate actual impact and allow reasonable, responsible, small data centers to qualify for business licenses and plunge frames, rather than approve a moratorium that will signal a negative response for future possibility.

447
00:46:49,940 --> 00:46:52,480
Now, we all get to think about the future.

448
00:46:53,540 --> 00:46:56,200
We all get to think about where we're going and what has happened.

449
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,660
You know, I'm probably twice as old as most of you.

450
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:05,480
I remember a telephone on the wall that was bigger than this podium.

451
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,420
And now we have the world on our hand constantly.

452
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,260
So everything is changing and it's changing rapidly.

453
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:15,820
And our needs will change rapidly.

454
00:47:15,820 --> 00:47:20,600
It's something with our fire departments and with our police department.

455
00:47:21,020 --> 00:47:30,200
So it's important that we protect our future and not stifle or negate possibilities.

456
00:47:31,140 --> 00:47:31,800
Thank you.

457
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:32,700
Thank you, Mr. Bates.

458
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,160
Next, we have Don Soja after Don Soja will be Catherine Krueger.

459
00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:47,740
Just remind folks to speak right into the microphone, please.

460
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:51,580
Good evening, councilmembers.

461
00:47:52,420 --> 00:47:53,700
My name is Don Soja.

462
00:47:53,700 --> 00:47:58,340
I'm running for City Council District number one.

463
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,740
I'll be speaking on agenda three C.

464
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:08,980
I would like to state that I oppose any and all data centers in Palm Springs and in the entire Coachella Valley.

465
00:48:09,660 --> 00:48:14,700
Our electric grid and our water supply are operating at their maximum.

466
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:20,400
Data centers, data centers would be an incredible burden on all of our utilities.

467
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,680
We must consider our local environment at all times.

468
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,780
The data centers will also have very few jobs.

469
00:48:29,380 --> 00:48:33,900
It would be a lose-lose for Palm Springs and for the Coachella Valley.

470
00:48:34,820 --> 00:48:38,280
I urge you to vote against data centers permanently.

471
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:39,400
Thank you.

472
00:48:40,060 --> 00:48:40,580
Thank you.

473
00:48:41,060 --> 00:48:43,020
Next we have Catherine Kruger.

474
00:48:46,610 --> 00:48:48,490
We have quite a few speakers.

475
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:50,370
Thank you.

476
00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:56,610
So, after Catherine will be Carl Listonberg on

477
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:01,480
deck.

478
00:49:03,370 --> 00:49:04,270
Good evening everyone.

479
00:49:04,490 --> 00:49:05,610
My name is Catherine Krueger.

480
00:49:05,930 --> 00:49:07,650
I am also like Lindsay A.

481
00:49:07,870 --> 00:49:09,410
Full-time Palm Springs resident.

482
00:49:09,790 --> 00:49:10,310
Can you guys hear me?

483
00:49:10,430 --> 00:49:10,530
Okay.

484
00:49:12,500 --> 00:49:12,920
Okay.

485
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:14,060
Louder for some folks.

486
00:49:14,500 --> 00:49:19,460
I would also like to urge the adoption of measure C3.

487
00:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,660
I am also concerned about data centers in the valley.

488
00:49:23,660 --> 00:49:27,560
My main concerns are water consumption.

489
00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:31,380
As you know, we are in a perpetual state of drought.

490
00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:39,440
Really, the federal government just cut the access to the Colorado River by 20%.

491
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:44,460
And we have no business putting a data center in a drought-stricken area

492
00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:46,340
that's going to consume our water table.

493
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:50,580
I'm also deeply concerned about the energy use.

494
00:49:50,580 --> 00:49:55,760
As a lot of other states are seeing these data centers are not paying for themselves.

495
00:49:56,340 --> 00:50:00,280
They are being subsidized quite often by taxpayer dollars.

496
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:06,080
I personally do not want to subsidize a business investment with my tax dollars.

497
00:50:06,500 --> 00:50:08,260
I'd rather see that go to the fire department.

498
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,340
I would rather see that go to services in the community.

499
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:16,200
I'm also concerned about, I'm

500
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,660
concerned it's just not what's right for our community.

501
00:50:21,660 --> 00:50:35,680
We have people who live here, we don't have the infrastructure to support this thing, long-term, it's not going to be permanent jobs in the community, they're going to be transient, they're not going to stay here.

502
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,600
And I don't know that this is what's right in our community.

503
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,820
I hear the need for advancement in the future.

504
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:46,680
And we're still going to have access to those things, whether or not this is in our community.

505
00:50:47,340 --> 00:50:47,620
Thank you.

506
00:50:47,620 --> 00:50:48,580
Thank you, Ms. Krueger.

507
00:50:49,180 --> 00:50:50,980
Next, we have Carl Listenberg.

508
00:50:54,030 --> 00:50:55,450
Carl Listenberg here.

509
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,160
Carl, no.

510
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,480
Okay, after Carl will be Elizabeth Humphries.

511
00:51:05,650 --> 00:51:07,690
Carol, I'm sorry, Carol Listenberg.

512
00:51:10,190 --> 00:51:13,730
After Ms. Listenberg is Elizabeth Humphries,

513
00:51:17,380 --> 00:51:17,840
my apologies.

514
00:51:25,430 --> 00:51:28,730
I saw two new articles about big tech and AI today.

515
00:51:29,710 --> 00:51:32,290
One of them pointed out the corruption of the tech giants.

516
00:51:32,890 --> 00:51:37,790
And the other is going to be an article from Bill Gates.

517
00:51:38,270 --> 00:51:42,690
He's warning that AI is going to hit hard and fast and destroy a lot of human jobs.

518
00:51:43,630 --> 00:51:47,310
He's trying to be helpful and tell us in advance what's coming down.

519
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:53,030
But I haven't read any articles about any of the tech giants warning about the data centers.

520
00:51:53,630 --> 00:51:59,930
They are massive football sized, football field sized buildings that support the coming AI.

521
00:51:59,930 --> 00:52:05,030
And every single thing that I've read about those has made my hair stand on end.

522
00:52:06,330 --> 00:52:13,350
The early ones were built with a promise of bringing jobs to the facilities themselves, but reality has proven otherwise.

523
00:52:14,190 --> 00:52:16,350
They build the building and then they run themselves.

524
00:52:17,390 --> 00:52:21,810
They squeal through the day and night creating sound pollution for miles around.

525
00:52:22,550 --> 00:52:25,750
They create an extraordinary light pollution.

526
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:31,110
They suck up the water in the neighborhoods creating shortages for residents and businesses.

527
00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:34,730
They drive up electric bills to an unaffordable height.

528
00:52:35,370 --> 00:52:41,490
Some people have been told that the current power supply cannot keep up and

529
00:52:41,490 --> 00:52:44,250
they need to find a new source for power in their homes.

530
00:52:45,050 --> 00:52:46,650
Air pollution is a problem.

531
00:52:47,290 --> 00:52:50,930
If neighbors complain they're told the data center is too important and

532
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:52,290
they just have to live with it.

533
00:52:53,090 --> 00:52:56,110
or dial a little earlier, as the case may be.

534
00:52:57,210 --> 00:53:01,730
So now I haven't seen any articles by people who live near existing data centers saying,

535
00:53:01,730 --> 00:53:03,490
wow, this was a great idea.

536
00:53:04,770 --> 00:53:09,050
Just as Bill Gates is warning us of a major disruption to our future lives,

537
00:53:09,250 --> 00:53:13,990
people who already have data centers are warning us that our lives are going to be hell,

538
00:53:14,270 --> 00:53:15,670
wherever another one is built.

539
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:19,330
And given that they're being constructed at a breakneck speed

540
00:53:19,330 --> 00:53:25,690
without scrutiny by environmental agencies and waivers for the ordinary processes that keep communities safe.

541
00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,940
We are at time, thank you, Ms. Listemberer.

542
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,100
Next,

543
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:44,910
we have Elizabeth Humphries.

544
00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:51,520
Good evening, my name is Elizabeth Humphries.

545
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:58,840
I'm a resident of the Coachella Valley, a local realtor, and I'm the president of the American Data Center Research and Education Foundation.

546
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:05,280
I'm here today to urge you to pass the urgency ordinance for a moratorium on data centers and

547
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:09,540
further move towards a permanent ban on data centers in the city of Palm Springs.

548
00:54:10,180 --> 00:54:16,400
There are many reasons why hyper scale data centers are unsuitable for any area of the Coachella Valley.

549
00:54:16,820 --> 00:54:25,340
They produce heat islands with one study showing a high of up to 16 degrees heat increase over 6.2 mile radius.

550
00:54:25,340 --> 00:54:49,400
They require immense amount of power, they produce 24-7 droning noise and EMF radiation, 24-7 light pollution, air pollution, and last but certainly not least, they use on average 5 million gallons of water per day, and they have a history of contamination for groundwater and aquifers.

551
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:54,760
All of the drinking water that is provided by the Coachella Valley water district is drawn

552
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:58,720
from the incredible aquifer that we have under our feet.

553
00:54:59,020 --> 00:55:01,480
It is that very aquifer that gives pumps forings its name.

554
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:07,360
You may hear the argument that data centers can use closed loop systems, reducing water

555
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:07,680
use.

556
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:12,000
However, in Oregon, ground water has been contaminated by nitrates.

557
00:55:12,540 --> 00:55:18,860
Some wells were over 10 times the federal limit for safe drinking water when Amazon data centers

558
00:55:18,860 --> 00:55:22,940
were built next to them using closed-loop water systems, closed-loop systems.

559
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:28,340
Even a closed-loop system, the wastewater needs to be dumped routinely.

560
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:34,380
Data center developers and operators across the country are promising one thing and delivering

561
00:55:34,380 --> 00:55:34,780
another.

562
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,240
We are talking about some of the largest companies in the world.

563
00:55:40,580 --> 00:55:45,620
It would be nearly impossible for the residents of Palm Springs to be able to hold these companies

564
00:55:45,620 --> 00:55:51,700
is accountable without strong state and federal legislation for the damage that they cause.

565
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:54,920
And by then, thank you, and some very, very, very, very, very, very, thank you, and some praise.

566
00:55:55,380 --> 00:56:00,780
Is there any, is there, are there any other in-person public comments?

567
00:56:02,140 --> 00:56:06,000
I don't see any on my list, there, have you gotten any other in-person?

568
00:56:07,380 --> 00:56:11,560
So I have a, Allen, Carbolto?

569
00:56:14,200 --> 00:56:15,160
Thank you.

570
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,440
Good afternoon mayor, City Council.

571
00:56:21,240 --> 00:56:23,660
The audio really is not great in here.

572
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:29,700
People have to be taught to, let's speak right into the mic, and some of you up there

573
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:34,180
need to do the same because I know I'm getting deaf, but it's really bad.

574
00:56:34,260 --> 00:56:35,000
You have a great system.

575
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:35,840
You've got to use it.

576
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:36,460
Thank you.

577
00:56:36,940 --> 00:56:42,720
The other thing I wanted to say is, what a chief we are losing.

578
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:43,640
Wow.

579
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,660
Wow, this is a rock star here folks, you all know it.

580
00:56:47,380 --> 00:56:54,280
Every event he is showing up in his amazing wife, who's to me, is the first lady of Palm Springs.

581
00:56:55,340 --> 00:57:00,980
Is we really need to know how wonderful and how lucky we were to have them in our presence.

582
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:07,120
They stood proud to be part of this community.

583
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:12,740
The other thing that you needed to know is that when the chief had to deal with the tragedy

584
00:57:12,740 --> 00:57:19,420
of one of the motorcycle police, unfortunately having an accident and crashing into the crowds.

585
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:22,660
I'm sure as attorney said, don't address it, there's liability.

586
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:24,440
He didn't care.

587
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:32,300
He addressed it straight on, and that just was such a proud moment because you don't avoid tragedy.

588
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:33,340
You do what he did.

589
00:57:33,900 --> 00:57:39,020
You speak, and you show responsibility, and that really made me so proud.

590
00:57:39,020 --> 00:57:44,300
I'm from Cathedral City, and we have three minutes to speak, and please know that public

591
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:47,240
comments need to be addressed at the beginning of the meeting.

592
00:57:47,700 --> 00:57:55,240
You don't have the citizens of the city, wait until the very end, please audio better?

593
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,360
Make sure that our public comments are addressed at the beginning.

594
00:57:58,740 --> 00:57:59,500
Give us three minutes.

595
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:01,540
You all have a lot more time than three minutes.

596
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,600
And the other one, I want to say, is take responsibility for the sand wall.

597
00:58:07,180 --> 00:58:08,380
It's a tragedy.

598
00:58:08,380 --> 00:58:13,340
today. It is the worst. You guys, if you make a mistake, take responsibility like the chief.

599
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:19,500
It is worse. The sand around the sand wall is worse because the sand goes up over the wall

600
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:22,700
and I'm done. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Cavello. You're out of time.

601
00:58:24,060 --> 00:58:27,480
We are now going to move to- We have one more grandin, Allen.

602
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:29,600
Oh, thank you. Mr. Allen,

603
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:35,350
you have two minutes.

604
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,600
Good evening, Mayor. Council members, residents.

605
00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:50,340
I'm here because I think that we need to take a closer look at how traffic safety resources are being prioritized in our neighborhoods.

606
00:58:51,140 --> 00:58:56,080
I live near Sonora Road and there is an intersection adjacent to the park that concerns me.

607
00:58:56,580 --> 00:59:07,180
It's a multi-stop intersection in an area where we do not only have vehicles but pedestrian, cyclists, people accessing the park and significant pedestrian crossing.

608
00:59:07,900 --> 00:59:12,740
I find it difficult to understand this, just a short distance away within the residential

609
00:59:12,740 --> 00:59:13,320
neighborhood.

610
00:59:13,740 --> 00:59:18,100
There are stop signs equipped with solar powered cameras and monitoring systems, yet

611
00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:23,400
at the intersection immediately adjacent to the park where there is substantially more intersection

612
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:27,560
between cars, bicycles, and pedestrians, I do not see the same equipment.

613
00:59:29,420 --> 00:59:32,480
I'm not here to argue that residential streets shouldn't be monitored.

614
00:59:32,620 --> 00:59:34,760
My question is about priority and risk.

615
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:39,480
If the equipment is intended to improve safety, collect traffic information,

616
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:43,420
deter violations, or help the city understand driver behavior,

617
00:59:43,900 --> 00:59:49,540
then shouldn't the locations within the greater number of potential conflicts receive priority?

618
00:59:50,420 --> 00:59:52,920
There's also a larger traffic issue here.

619
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,700
When traffic backs up, or drivers begin looking for ways around congestion,

620
00:59:57,700 --> 00:59:59,960
residential streets can effectively be

621
01:00:06,820 --> 01:00:29,980
So, I would respectfully ask council and the appropriate city department to do three things. First, conduct a review, conduct or review a traffic and pedestrian safety assessment of the intersection adjacent to the park. Second, explain the criteria the city uses to determine where these cameras or monitoring systems are installed. And third, determine where these cameras are.

622
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:36,560
whether that park intersection should receive the same monitoring, or potentially greater safety measures.

623
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:40,420
Based on actual vehicle, bicycle, and pedestrian activity.

624
01:00:40,420 --> 01:00:42,180
Random thank you, you are at a time.

625
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:42,860
Thank you.

626
01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:49,510
Madam City Clerk, is there one more in person?

627
01:00:51,620 --> 01:00:52,980
Gail Vazquez?

628
01:01:09,110 --> 01:01:16,230
My name is Gail Vazquez, and I am a resident and a realtor here in Palm Springs.

629
01:01:16,230 --> 01:01:24,870
and I'm here today to urge everyone to pass ordnance 3c to avoid data centers, put the

630
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:31,470
moratorium on all of them. And for numerous reasons that I don't need to repeat to each

631
01:01:31,470 --> 01:01:34,190
of you, but I'm here to support that.

632
01:01:34,770 --> 01:01:35,550
Thank you, Ms. Vesquez.

633
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,840
We are now going to move to our Zoom comments.

634
01:01:45,900 --> 01:01:49,780
Our first in Zoom is going to be Leslie Baza.

635
01:01:55,440 --> 01:02:00,420
Hello everyone, my name is Leslie and I will be opposing number three C. Like everyone else,

636
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:04,020
I was born and raised here in the Coachella Valley and I know what it feels like to live here

637
01:02:04,020 --> 01:02:09,360
and I know the desert here very well. I understand that technology is the future and I understand

638
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,780
that cities want more investment but progress should not mean sacrificing people and resources

639
01:02:13,780 --> 01:02:18,780
we barely have. We live in a desert where temperatures regularly reach over 100 degrees,

640
01:02:19,060 --> 01:02:24,060
water is already one of the most valuable resources. Data centers require enormous amounts

641
01:02:24,060 --> 01:02:28,920
of electricity and depending on the systems they use, they can also require significant amounts of

642
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:34,400
water, so we have to ask ourselves why here. Before approving these projects, we should be asking

643
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:38,840
how much water will they use? Who will pay for that infrastructure? How will they affect our

644
01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:44,020
electricity? How many permanent jobs will go to the local residents? And most importantly, what will

645
01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:48,900
the cost the people who already live here? I'm especially concerned about the possibility that these

646
01:02:48,900 --> 01:02:53,680
facilities being built near neighborhoods and schools. Our children don't get to choose where they

647
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:58,520
live or where the schools are located, adults make those decisions for them. So why wouldn't we

648
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,640
put massive industrial facilities near schools and then tell ourselves the benefits are worth

649
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:07,280
the risk? I'm not against bringing opportunity to the Coachella Valley, I'm against taking

650
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:12,260
opportunity away from people who already live here. If development makes our water less secure,

651
01:03:12,580 --> 01:03:17,080
puts pressure on our power grid, affects our neighborhoods, or creates concerns around our children's

652
01:03:17,080 --> 01:03:21,720
schools, then we have to question whether the money is worth it. The valley is not an empty piece

653
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:25,480
of land waiting to be developed, it is our home, and I don't want to see my home treated

654
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:29,520
like a resource to be consumed because someone decided the desert would look convenient on

655
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:34,020
the map. I want progress, I want good jobs, and I want my community to grow, but I want

656
01:03:34,020 --> 01:03:39,060
that growth to happen responsibly. I want development that respects our water, development that respects

657
01:03:39,060 --> 01:03:43,020
our environment, and development that respects our families, but most importantly, I want

658
01:03:43,020 --> 01:03:47,920
development that respects where we're here before the environment opportunity arrived.

659
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:47,960
Right.

660
01:03:48,340 --> 01:03:51,800
Because the question should not be how much money can we make by building here?

661
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,840
The question should be, what kind of community do we want to leave behind?

662
01:03:55,260 --> 01:03:59,320
And if the answer is a healthy, sustainable, self-catella value for our children.

663
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:02,880
That's two minutes.

664
01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:07,040
Next, on Zoom, we have Jane Dodd.

665
01:04:09,580 --> 01:04:11,320
Jane, if you can hear us, you have two minutes.

666
01:04:12,300 --> 01:04:13,080
She's not there.

667
01:04:13,580 --> 01:04:14,000
She's not there.

668
01:04:15,780 --> 01:04:17,540
Dominic Moonhart, on Zoom.

669
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:19,120
He's there.

670
01:04:19,540 --> 01:04:19,600
All right.

671
01:04:20,700 --> 01:04:21,140
Hello.

672
01:04:21,140 --> 01:04:21,860
Hello, can you guys hear me?

673
01:04:22,620 --> 01:04:23,460
We can, you have two minutes.

674
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:25,340
All right, thank you, Madam Mayor.

675
01:04:25,820 --> 01:04:27,420
Mr. Mayor put 10 members of the council.

676
01:04:27,420 --> 01:04:31,000
I want to do, speak on item 3C and 3D,

677
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,380
but I'll start with 3D because it's short and sweet.

678
01:04:33,940 --> 01:04:37,760
I would like to express my support for an elected mayor,

679
01:04:38,140 --> 01:04:40,900
two-year term elected mayor with six districts

680
01:04:40,900 --> 01:04:42,920
and half two out of those six districts

681
01:04:42,920 --> 01:04:44,980
be a minority majority district.

682
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:50,060
And that's it for item 3D3C.

683
01:04:50,060 --> 01:04:55,560
I support the item, but I would like to ask if we could modify it to have a permanent

684
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,400
ban on data centers within the city of Palm Springs.

685
01:05:00,500 --> 01:05:06,100
Palm Springs is water, short, it is boiling hot outside, we are very short on water.

686
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:11,800
I have no idea why someone would want to put a data center in here other than to take advantage

687
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:12,680
of our community.

688
01:05:14,020 --> 01:05:18,600
Just as a fun fact, because a lot of people have said good things already and I second those

689
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:31,380
opinions. The Bellagio Hotel in Casino consumes roughly 22 million gallons of water just

690
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:39,400
for their water fountain show compared to a data center that takes 100 million gallons

691
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:45,420
of water. And if we're talking about a large data center with AI data center, it takes

692
01:05:45,420 --> 01:05:50,100
300 million gallons of water a year.

693
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:56,380
So yeah, I'd rather welcome Velagio and not a data center.

694
01:05:56,540 --> 01:05:59,480
We don't need data centers in Palm Springs.

695
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:00,780
We cannot support it.

696
01:06:01,940 --> 01:06:10,320
The fire department can't respond when there's a fire or an emergency situation within a warehouse

697
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,140
let alone a data center.

698
01:06:12,140 --> 01:06:23,020
So, no on data centers, I support item 3C, I am not going to have 3,000 gallons of water leave our desert just for a data center.

699
01:06:23,500 --> 01:06:23,800
So, next.

700
01:06:24,060 --> 01:06:25,060
Thank you. You're out of time.

701
01:06:25,920 --> 01:06:26,580
They beat me.

702
01:06:27,100 --> 01:06:29,360
Next, we have Richard Morris.

703
01:06:30,380 --> 01:06:31,080
He on Zoom.

704
01:06:38,610 --> 01:06:40,070
Richard, if you can hear us, you have two minutes.

705
01:06:49,380 --> 01:06:53,260
Mr. Morris, if you can hear us, you can hit unmute and you have two minutes.

706
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:05,350
And then, did Jane come back on?

707
01:07:05,350 --> 01:07:06,190
Okay,

708
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,200
so Jesse Nehemiard is there?

709
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,660
So Jesse here for one more in person.

710
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:27,040
He's there.

711
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:27,900
Okay, thank you.

712
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:31,100
Good evening, Madam Mayor and City Councilmembers.

713
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:34,420
I'm speaking this evening on the mayoral position.

714
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:36,900
This city needs a strong mayor.

715
01:07:37,260 --> 01:07:38,720
The current role is weak.

716
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,200
It is merely a city council member

717
01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:43,260
who gets to parade around for a year

718
01:07:43,260 --> 01:07:44,920
as a ceremonial head city.

719
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:46,720
Those are the main issues.

720
01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:50,500
The position as it stands now is ceremonial and temporary.

721
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:54,820
From what I've gathered in the meetings that I had with individual council members in

722
01:07:54,820 --> 01:08:01,800
2024, and from my own observations, when I sit, the audience there, the council chamber,

723
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:07,560
the mayor's major powers now are to basically chair this council meeting and shake hands.

724
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,820
They can have some sort of say over the final council agenda, even then they are forced

725
01:08:12,820 --> 01:08:15,020
to consider everyone on the council and their wins.

726
01:08:15,020 --> 01:08:20,780
including when a council member wants to pass a resolution that's based in

727
01:08:20,780 --> 01:08:26,260
foreign policy a realm of government that is truly beyond the breach of the

728
01:08:26,260 --> 01:08:31,660
council. Perhaps if this city had a mayor with actual power the 2023

729
01:08:31,660 --> 01:08:38,420
resolution pledging the city support for the state of Israel or beyond its city

730
01:08:38,420 --> 01:08:43,920
limits would not have actually happened or at the very least have given the mayor

731
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:48,880
a backbone to insist on public input and discussion. Thank you.

732
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,620
Thank you, Miss. Thank you, Jesse. Next, we have Philip Hodges on Zoom.

733
01:08:59,350 --> 01:09:00,930
Great. Good evening, Mayor of Kansas City.

734
01:09:00,930 --> 01:09:08,050
So, welcome back. Chief Mills, we will miss you immensely. I'm here for 3C, and I would

735
01:09:08,050 --> 01:09:14,590
also love the Bellagio and Palm Springs. I support the moratorium, and I hope you

736
01:09:14,590 --> 01:09:19,230
adopted, thanks to Council Member Garner for bringing this forward. As I think you all know,

737
01:09:19,490 --> 01:09:25,590
I work in AI and investing, so I'm pretty familiar with the benefits and the extreme costs

738
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:30,770
of the technology, and I'm happy to see the sort of council moving from just sort of cheerleading

739
01:09:30,770 --> 01:09:36,570
AI to start protecting us from the costs. My only concern tonight is the definitions. You have the

740
01:09:36,570 --> 01:09:41,610
draft in front of you that's already defined data centres in a way that you haven't given direction

741
01:09:41,610 --> 01:09:48,430
for, and that might be sticky. So your report, I think correctly, is all about intensity

742
01:09:49,050 --> 01:09:55,590
environmental and resource cost, but the definition doesn't mention them. So are you planning

743
01:09:55,590 --> 01:10:01,270
to prohibit ever rededicated data facility regardless of scale? If so, that's reasonable,

744
01:10:01,370 --> 01:10:07,730
but that should be your choice. And it could have unintended consequences. I was just reading

745
01:10:07,730 --> 01:10:13,210
last week, two months ago, Medford, New Jersey adopted a definition, which I went back

746
01:10:13,210 --> 01:10:18,050
and it looks very similar to what you have in front of them in front of you tonight.

747
01:10:18,610 --> 01:10:24,750
The planning board went through and found it could reach medical offices and self-hours,

748
01:10:25,210 --> 01:10:31,510
and one board member said his own house met the definition of data centre, so that wasn't

749
01:10:31,510 --> 01:10:35,890
in the spirit of what the council directed, they inherited the definition from their staff's

750
01:10:35,890 --> 01:10:36,970
moratorium wording.

751
01:10:36,970 --> 01:10:43,230
So, I just suggest giving staff more explicit direction tonight about what you intend to

752
01:10:43,230 --> 01:10:43,750
prohibit.

753
01:10:44,070 --> 01:10:49,430
I think the answer should be intensity and come back with thresholds built around power,

754
01:10:49,690 --> 01:10:55,510
water, and cooling a full bill out, but please don't let that stop you past it tonight.

755
01:10:55,950 --> 01:10:56,250
Thank you.

756
01:10:56,670 --> 01:10:57,610
Thank you, Mr. Rogers.

757
01:10:58,890 --> 01:11:01,930
That concludes our public comments.

758
01:11:01,930 --> 01:11:12,100
Since our next item is the consent calendar, I would like to entertain a motion to accept

759
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,660
the consent calendar without items

760
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:24,040
X, P, A, A, T, and V.

761
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:31,340
And the recusals, as I mentioned earlier, for Mayor Pro Tem ready and Garner on you and

762
01:11:31,340 --> 01:11:33,660
a council member to heart on Q.

763
01:11:55,130 --> 01:11:55,670
Motion carries.

764
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:01,680
Let's start with the questions or comments, if we can first,

765
01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:07,460
item H, mayor, pro-10.

766
01:12:08,040 --> 01:12:08,620
Thank you, mayor.

767
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:16,260
This is one H with regard to the Microsoft licensing, just a question on that.

768
01:12:17,180 --> 01:12:22,960
First, a three-year term for a million dollars in the extension for an additional million.

769
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:31,760
I mean, I guess since we don't have a termination for convenience in here, my sense in reading this is a contract of adhesion,

770
01:12:32,300 --> 01:12:36,560
the city attorney may want to comment on that, but on the renewal.

771
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:45,600
So my question is, since we're delegating the authority of the city manager to renew this for an additional million dollars for a second term,

772
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:58,300
And if my request is that the city manager would at least just notify council when you're going to renew that in three years since it is a big dollar amount and we don't have a termination for convenience clause in here.

773
01:12:58,940 --> 01:13:00,960
So that was my question to

774
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:08,160
the city manager and he can make a mental note of that or he could note it in the file.

775
01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:17,940
Well, if the item is approved, we'll move forward with the contract and we'll direct the RIT department to flag that and make note of it.

776
01:13:17,940 --> 01:13:26,100
So when we get ready to consider, if we do want to consider exercising the option that will notify council that we're going to do that.

777
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:26,600
Thank you.

778
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,900
But shouldn't that be written in the resolution?

779
01:13:31,660 --> 01:13:40,520
It could be, I think it should be, then the direction should be in writing, not just a verbal.

780
01:13:40,760 --> 01:13:44,400
Then I would move that as part of the motion to approve.

781
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,720
We've already approved, you said it was just, you didn't know.

782
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:52,020
If it's the council's pleasure, we can make note of that in the official record.

783
01:13:52,140 --> 01:13:55,660
There is a technical resolution, but we can certainly make it part of the record.

784
01:13:56,060 --> 01:13:56,640
Thank you.

785
01:13:59,490 --> 01:14:02,030
Next is item L, Mayor Patel.

786
01:14:02,750 --> 01:14:04,010
Yes, so thank you.

787
01:14:04,610 --> 01:14:09,070
And this is, I did get clarification from this, from the city attorney.

788
01:14:09,210 --> 01:14:13,530
I just would like it to say it for my constituents who are hearing it.

789
01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:14,910
This is with regard to slurry seal.

790
01:14:14,910 --> 01:14:18,230
So their question is, why is Laverne and Toledo not on there?

791
01:14:18,550 --> 01:14:25,390
And the answer is, Mr. Engineer, if you could remind us and let us know that the project is going forward.

792
01:14:25,450 --> 01:14:26,610
It's just not slurry seal.

793
01:14:26,930 --> 01:14:30,830
Yeah, Laverne and Toledo are being paved, and we're going to be working on that schedule.

794
01:14:31,570 --> 01:14:34,310
We have it scheduled for next week to start the construction on that.

795
01:14:34,490 --> 01:14:35,010
Great, thank you.

796
01:14:35,150 --> 01:14:35,930
They're very appreciative.

797
01:14:36,250 --> 01:14:36,950
Thank you so much.

798
01:14:37,130 --> 01:14:42,030
Yeah, and I've told you one day, and it slips, so hopefully the contract is only a couple of weeks.

799
01:14:42,030 --> 01:14:42,190
Yes.

800
01:14:42,650 --> 01:14:43,250
Thank you.

801
01:14:43,250 --> 01:14:45,810
Maybe can you just clarify the difference between the slurry and the full paving?

802
01:14:46,410 --> 01:14:49,110
I know we ask you every time you come up here, but it doesn't hurt.

803
01:14:49,710 --> 01:14:54,050
Yeah, so we have two paving programs here at the city.

804
01:14:54,510 --> 01:14:59,930
One is a complete reconstruction or repavement that we call, so it removes the actual-

805
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,760
There's a oil that is placed on newly constructed street, so some residents might feel that we're giving them more attention that they deserve, but actually, when you put oils into the asphalt, it actually lasts longer, and you extend the life, so that's a difference between the two. Okay, thank you. And while I'm serious, the next one also on 1M, Madam Mayor. So thank you, Joel, if you could just, my question to you is, this was one of the waste water treatment plants, the projects.

806
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:33,880
there's a lot of projects there, there's significant change orders for large amounts of money.

807
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:38,780
It is somewhat shocking, but that's the nature of those projects.

808
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:45,100
I just want to make sure that you have a comfort level, that your review of these change orders are appropriate.

809
01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:50,800
And there are things that we've required and you have a comfort level that we're doing what we need to do to monitor that.

810
01:15:50,860 --> 01:15:52,620
Thank you for the question, absolutely.

811
01:15:53,300 --> 01:15:58,620
This particular project has been going on for quite a while and has taken up a lot of resources.

812
01:15:58,620 --> 01:16:01,460
But it's the nature of the project itself.

813
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:02,420
It is complicated.

814
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:07,360
We've been digging in areas that have a lot of infrastructure hidden, and we've been uncovering.

815
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,440
And as you uncover, you have to react.

816
01:16:09,660 --> 01:16:12,460
And the contractor has been moving the project forward.

817
01:16:12,540 --> 01:16:19,280
It has a gas flare that we've had issues with the manufacturer trying to get it online.

818
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:21,780
So yeah, the project is actually very complicated.

819
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:25,280
And we do my entire team reviews the change orders, and we're comfortable.

820
01:16:25,860 --> 01:16:37,320
This is not the end of the project, we're still working on it and my hope is to complete it and if there is another change order bringing back to you and finalize this project, but it has been a very complicated and long project to work on.

821
01:16:37,700 --> 01:16:38,000
Thank you.

822
01:16:40,820 --> 01:16:44,720
Okay, next we have item, actually

823
01:16:47,670 --> 01:16:49,890
that has been answered for me.

824
01:16:50,150 --> 01:16:52,630
I'm good on, oh, Madam Mayor, thank you.

825
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:53,630
Thank you.

826
01:16:54,990 --> 01:16:55,630
Thank you.

827
01:16:55,630 --> 01:16:55,910
Great job.

828
01:16:58,130 --> 01:17:00,930
Council Member DeHart, you had a question on item W.

829
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:04,400
Thank you, Mayor.

830
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:06,020
Not a question, just a comment.

831
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:12,720
And thanks to the police department and everybody who worked on this item.

832
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:22,540
We talked about it months and months and months ago to make sure there was a customer service reporting mechanism

833
01:17:22,540 --> 01:17:34,420
built into the resolution, and the police department has included that, and I appreciate that.

834
01:17:34,980 --> 01:17:52,520
And next step is just to make sure that the community is aware, if they get their tow car, a car towed, that there is a channel through the police department that they can provide feedback on their experience with any person.

835
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:53,580
particular tow company.

836
01:17:54,200 --> 01:17:56,100
So I appreciate that that was followed through.

837
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:56,620
Thank you.

838
01:17:56,820 --> 01:17:57,260
Thank you.

839
01:17:59,250 --> 01:18:02,210
Next we have item Y, Mayor Britton.

840
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:04,530
Yes, thank you, Mayor.

841
01:18:04,810 --> 01:18:14,390
This is the Ramon Bridge and, Joel, you had indicated that the engineer who designed the bridge has a time frame of,

842
01:18:14,670 --> 01:18:18,210
forget the number of days to do the project, could you?

843
01:18:18,590 --> 01:18:19,310
That is correct.

844
01:18:19,310 --> 01:18:36,530
So again, John want to all the city engineer, the Ramon road project has been designed to start it in 2008, and over time it's developed by our design engineers, and they come up with a number that they feel comfortable that this project could, based on industry standards, how long this bridge would take to be constructed.

845
01:18:37,050 --> 01:18:43,950
Now what we've done in council approved is we hired a construction management team well in advance of actually releasing this to the public for bidding.

846
01:18:43,950 --> 01:18:46,850
I mean, that construction management team has actually reviewed all the plans.

847
01:18:46,870 --> 01:18:50,430
We've, you know, if there's areas where we were concerned about, we had them fixed.

848
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:53,890
And they also weighed in on the amount of time that this project would take.

849
01:18:54,030 --> 01:19:02,830
So we're very comfortable right now that this project is, the design team has said essentially 24 months to construct and we're comfortable with that timeline.

850
01:19:03,230 --> 01:19:10,070
And so if you receive construction, actual construction bids back to do the construction that's longer than that.

851
01:19:10,690 --> 01:19:18,950
So, actually, we dictate that every single contractor must bid on the 24-month timeline.

852
01:19:19,390 --> 01:19:20,490
So, essentially.

853
01:19:20,790 --> 01:19:21,870
It would be non-responsive otherwise.

854
01:19:21,950 --> 01:19:22,570
Yeah, exactly.

855
01:19:22,930 --> 01:19:26,590
So, we wouldn't get a timeline, say, we're going to build it in three years instead of two.

856
01:19:26,850 --> 01:19:27,590
We wouldn't accept that.

857
01:19:27,770 --> 01:19:29,350
Okay, a second question on this project.

858
01:19:29,470 --> 01:19:33,030
I had a couple of questions from people who use the CV link in that area.

859
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:34,370
They had concerns, obviously.

860
01:19:34,890 --> 01:19:38,130
And again, I'm not sure how long it's going to be closed entirely.

861
01:19:38,130 --> 01:19:43,370
Could you address that, and if there's any remediation or modifications possible?

862
01:19:43,550 --> 01:19:48,190
Yeah, and so one of the things I would like to point is folks to KESQ their website.

863
01:19:48,190 --> 01:19:51,770
There's an interview with me that came out today where I address that same issue.

864
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:53,430
So I miss that, Joel.

865
01:19:53,610 --> 01:19:55,510
Could you restate that, please?

866
01:19:57,250 --> 01:20:06,370
So, yeah, so this bridge, the Ramon Road bridge, the entire structure one side to the other is actually going to be widened on both sides.

867
01:20:06,370 --> 01:20:10,890
that the work required to install scaffolding,

868
01:20:11,070 --> 01:20:14,570
the grading, the equipment is of such a nature

869
01:20:14,570 --> 01:20:18,110
that we would not be able to accommodate a anyone

870
01:20:18,110 --> 01:20:21,130
that is not associated with the construction

871
01:20:21,130 --> 01:20:22,250
underneath that bridge.

872
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:24,070
It wouldn't be a safe situation.

873
01:20:25,410 --> 01:20:27,990
There are areas like if we were to bid this project

874
01:20:27,990 --> 01:20:31,690
and add say a, we would have to construct essentially

875
01:20:31,690 --> 01:20:35,070
a bridge around or a protective barrier around this bicycle

876
01:20:35,070 --> 01:20:36,930
But it would cost millions of dollars to do so.

877
01:20:37,410 --> 01:20:41,650
From the very beginning, the bicycle CV link project was,

878
01:20:42,090 --> 01:20:44,350
they always knew that the bridge was going to be constructed.

879
01:20:44,350 --> 01:20:47,770
We were always talking to CVag that was constructing the CV link.

880
01:20:47,970 --> 01:20:52,870
They requested that we allow them to build a temporary connector

881
01:20:52,870 --> 01:20:57,370
underneath the bridge knowing full well that we were going to come back during construction and

882
01:20:57,950 --> 01:20:59,410
remove that connection.

883
01:20:59,790 --> 01:21:01,810
It was conveyed to them, they agreed.

884
01:21:01,810 --> 01:21:13,870
They also agreed to actually design the traffic control plan, essentially the rerouting of the CV link through multiple city streets to get it around the construction zone and back onto the bridge.

885
01:21:14,030 --> 01:21:16,110
So there's a detour, there's a detour.

886
01:21:16,110 --> 01:21:17,370
We are, we'll be close.

887
01:21:17,990 --> 01:21:22,630
The Coachella Valley Association of Governments agreed to design a rerouting plan.

888
01:21:23,010 --> 01:21:31,670
We've taken that plan, we've incorporated it into our plan set and it will be bid and the contractor will install a reroute of the CV link.

889
01:21:31,670 --> 01:21:34,030
So it won't be close to the two years.

890
01:21:34,310 --> 01:21:36,270
It'll take a different route, correct?

891
01:21:36,690 --> 01:21:41,250
It's not ideal, it's not unobstructed, it'll be through city streets,

892
01:21:41,250 --> 01:21:43,510
but that is part of the project today.

893
01:21:43,930 --> 01:21:44,890
Okay, thank you very much.

894
01:21:47,230 --> 01:21:53,070
Also, on the other side of the bridge, there's about 40 miles of the CV link going east.

895
01:21:53,250 --> 01:21:55,950
Yeah, there's a lot of CV link on both sides.

896
01:21:56,290 --> 01:22:01,270
My initial thought was this, close it, and that was not acceptable to see back in the CV link users, right?

897
01:22:01,270 --> 01:22:05,690
I'd close it, have them turn around and go back the other way, but they really did not want to do that.

898
01:22:05,870 --> 01:22:10,710
So we worked together to create a plan that would reroute the CV link through both cities.

899
01:22:10,830 --> 01:22:12,090
Could you just say the end of the city of Palm Springs?

900
01:22:12,630 --> 01:22:13,310
Great, thank you.

901
01:22:14,590 --> 01:22:17,210
Next we have item Z, Mayor Pro Tem.

902
01:22:17,770 --> 01:22:22,610
Just a question, in Jay, maybe you can answer this.

903
01:22:22,930 --> 01:22:26,770
Just with regard to, it's actually on page 33 of the staff report.

904
01:22:26,770 --> 01:22:32,810
And again, it talks about a lump sum basis for the payment of the contractor.

905
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:41,550
But yet I notice in the newer amendment, that lump sum's not there, so I just want to make sure that that's reconciled.

906
01:22:42,790 --> 01:22:44,990
Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem, Mayor Council members.

907
01:22:45,690 --> 01:22:48,510
I'm going to ask Noa Yarechiga to address that.

908
01:22:48,590 --> 01:22:49,150
Thank you.

909
01:22:49,250 --> 01:22:50,190
Level of detail, thank you.

910
01:22:52,250 --> 01:22:54,290
Good evening Council, my name is Noa Yarechiga.

911
01:22:55,070 --> 01:23:07,790
Comunia Development Administrator under Javirata, so we might have had a mishap, you know, with the two different terms about the lump sum, you said page 33.

912
01:23:08,170 --> 01:23:11,050
But the practice now is not the lump sum, it's under the new.

913
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:12,470
Okay, I just want to clarify that.

914
01:23:12,490 --> 01:23:17,430
We do not do lump sum to the, I mean, we are a reimbursement based, I mean.

915
01:23:17,590 --> 01:23:18,630
Understood, thank you.

916
01:23:19,670 --> 01:23:21,110
Just wanted to confirm, thank you.

917
01:23:21,750 --> 01:23:22,390
Thank you, Noah.

918
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:23,150
Thank you, Jay.

919
01:23:26,190 --> 01:23:33,430
Next, we have the items that were pulled and we're going to start with item P, Council member Bernstein.

920
01:23:36,730 --> 01:23:38,470
Can we get a staff report on P?

921
01:23:51,160 --> 01:23:51,920
Hi, they're good evening.

922
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:53,220
My name is Victoria Carpenter.

923
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:55,780
I'm the interim executive director of Palm Springs Airport.

924
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:59,640
How may I, would you like a staff report, or would you?

925
01:24:01,850 --> 01:24:06,810
I guess you could just ask you my questions because this area tricks and so

926
01:24:07,310 --> 01:24:09,890
they've had several contract amendments and extensions.

927
01:24:09,890 --> 01:24:18,330
So, what are we actually paying them now per year versus to our website for the airport versus what we first contracted with them?

928
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:29,910
So, when we originally contracted ABA tricks in 2023, we had them do a two year term and that was for website content.

929
01:24:30,170 --> 01:24:34,130
So, ongoing website content, improvements in maintenance service.

930
01:24:34,130 --> 01:24:42,810
And then we did an amendment because there was a requirement to update our website to comply

931
01:24:42,810 --> 01:24:46,190
with Title II digital accessibility for ADA.

932
01:24:47,010 --> 01:24:53,970
And so we added an additional $72,000 onto the contract and then we ended up doing another

933
01:24:53,970 --> 01:24:59,810
amendment so that we can add $45,000 on there for website accessibility services.

934
01:24:59,810 --> 01:25:14,330
So, we did do a refresh with the website and because we had ABA tricks assisting us with our website at Palm Springs Airport, we were able to utilize their services to continue maintaining the services.

935
01:25:14,650 --> 01:25:26,810
So, we do intend on going back out to bid when this contract expires if Council were to approve it to extend it through 2027 and then we would go out to bid in about May 2027 timeframe.

936
01:25:26,810 --> 01:25:42,730
Okay. So the amendments were for specific additional needs. It wasn't just them coming back as a lowest bidder and then asking for more money throughout the contract. That's correct. Okay. And then so we go out for bid next spring for the RFP.

937
01:25:43,010 --> 01:25:43,510
That's correct.

938
01:25:43,510 --> 01:25:49,390
So, one of the things I want to mention, because this was a case, I remember when they first got it, a lot of local people didn't know about it.

939
01:25:50,290 --> 01:25:54,070
Aviation just does aviation websites throughout the country and they're not local.

940
01:25:54,570 --> 01:26:00,930
I want to make sure that we reach out to local web designers. We have a lot of capable ones in the valley who can do this.

941
01:26:02,490 --> 01:26:06,710
And then the other question is, do we own everything if we change vendors?

942
01:26:07,530 --> 01:26:12,890
Yes, so one of the clauses in the contract specifically states that final products created

943
01:26:12,890 --> 01:26:17,370
by the contractor for the public facing website will be entirely owned by the city.

944
01:26:17,890 --> 01:26:21,670
So somebody else would take over all the code and then start doing it.

945
01:26:21,690 --> 01:26:22,230
That's correct.

946
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:25,870
And how do we check for security in that code?

947
01:26:26,850 --> 01:26:33,210
I actually have Jason Underwood, he's the IT Assistant Director, so then he can assist

948
01:26:33,210 --> 01:26:33,630
with that.

949
01:26:33,630 --> 01:26:38,150
Hi, Jason Humbert, Assistant Director of IT.

950
01:26:39,410 --> 01:26:40,930
Did you ask how the check for the-

951
01:26:40,930 --> 01:26:46,990
If somebody takes over the website that Aviatrix does, like, how do we know that some person

952
01:26:46,990 --> 01:26:51,370
there just gruntled employee didn't put in a Trojan horse inside of it?

953
01:26:51,710 --> 01:26:58,270
So as part of the RFP process, that would be included in the requirements, full cyber security

954
01:26:58,270 --> 01:27:04,610
audit, and all of the stuff that goes along with what we do with all of our software, requirements

955
01:27:04,610 --> 01:27:06,530
for from a cybersecurity perspective.

956
01:27:07,030 --> 01:27:07,150
Okay.

957
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:10,850
So that would all be vetted before they even got to do that.

958
01:27:10,850 --> 01:27:13,330
Are you doing that and vetting everything before somebody takes it over?

959
01:27:13,450 --> 01:27:13,590
Yes.

960
01:27:13,930 --> 01:27:14,930
Okay. That was my question.

961
01:27:15,570 --> 01:27:15,970
Thank you.

962
01:27:17,290 --> 01:27:18,030
Madam Mayor.

963
01:27:18,770 --> 01:27:19,550
Yes, Council Member.

964
01:27:19,950 --> 01:27:26,110
I think Council Member Bernstein has made a very valid point.

965
01:27:27,970 --> 01:27:34,070
Is it going to be written in the RFP process that staff is directed

966
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:38,250
to do specific outreach to local vendors.

967
01:27:38,810 --> 01:27:43,750
I think that's a very important piece that we missed, and I don't want it just to be a verbal piece.

968
01:27:44,650 --> 01:27:47,370
So how does that get, but, you know.

969
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:55,070
So we actually work with our procurement department, and so procurement would be advertising this through Planet Bids.

970
01:27:55,550 --> 01:27:58,830
But Tabita is also here, she can assist with that response.

971
01:28:03,070 --> 01:28:07,670
So we wouldn't necessarily put it in the actual RFP.

972
01:28:08,270 --> 01:28:17,830
It would be an additional outreach and advertising that we would perform for the solicitation to encourage local responders.

973
01:28:18,910 --> 01:28:26,370
And then we would include our local preference in the actual RFP so that those that are local that respond get that preference.

974
01:28:28,110 --> 01:28:36,370
And that all makes sense. That's standard. But this specific outreach to local designers,

975
01:28:37,250 --> 01:28:39,330
how do we make sure that that happens?

976
01:28:40,390 --> 01:28:45,590
I mean, Council can just give us direction and then when we come to do that, we would do additional hours.

977
01:28:45,670 --> 01:28:46,990
Well, I'd like to add on.

978
01:28:47,410 --> 01:28:54,170
Yeah, maybe we ask that the RFP be on consent and then we can also make sure that way. Is that an option?

979
01:28:55,210 --> 01:28:57,410
That way it doesn't sort of slip by us either.

980
01:28:59,270 --> 01:29:01,010
But I don't want to forget about it either.

981
01:29:01,610 --> 01:29:04,950
So I would prefer it would be in writing somewhere.

982
01:29:05,290 --> 01:29:13,790
So to confirm you want this RFP to come back to council for authorization to go out to solicitation so that you can ensure that that local outreach has taken place prior.

983
01:29:14,410 --> 01:29:15,970
Obviously we're asking that it be done too.

984
01:29:16,630 --> 01:29:16,870
Yes.

985
01:29:16,870 --> 01:29:24,850
Yes, a lot of people who do web design are not necessarily looking at planet bids or the desert sun, but they're very capable on their local.

986
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:25,830
Thank you.

987
01:29:29,890 --> 01:29:31,090
Thank you.

988
01:29:31,750 --> 01:29:36,200
We have a motion and a second.

989
01:29:36,700 --> 01:29:38,700
I think we're good, right?

990
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:45,140
Motion carries.

991
01:29:47,300 --> 01:29:52,120
Next, we have item T from Council Member to Heart.

992
01:29:52,120 --> 01:29:55,440
We need a full staff report or just no.

993
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,920
You know, I think, Joel, you may be able to bypass the full staff report because you mentioned in the other item for the East Palm Canyon Bridge, that you have a requirement in the RFP that the job is done with a certain number of months. So is that requirement, the timeline requirement embedded in this RFP? It is embedded in the request for proposals. It's in this specification.

994
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:36,640
For the Eastpump Canyon, we're leading at 15 to 18 months, but we're going to specify 18 months.

995
01:30:36,680 --> 01:30:41,480
A time frame that the contractor has to meet and everybody's going to be able to do that.

996
01:30:41,480 --> 01:30:42,420
So this is 18 months?

997
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:43,840
That's an 18 month project.

998
01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:46,380
Okay, very good, that's all I wanted to make sure.

999
01:30:46,820 --> 01:30:47,260
Thank you.

1000
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:48,600
I had a question.

1001
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:55,840
Mayor, so I had some questions about obviously the street and you've answered this.

1002
01:30:55,840 --> 01:31:00,820
prior up to that bridge needs repair work.

1003
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,240
You don't want to do the repair work till you do the bridge, that makes sense.

1004
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,620
But that's basically going to be two years off.

1005
01:31:06,440 --> 01:31:10,540
Is there something that can be done short of the full rep?

1006
01:31:10,580 --> 01:31:16,060
Is some sort of repairs on certain parts of the road before then instead of waiting for two years for anything?

1007
01:31:16,860 --> 01:31:18,960
I guess that's the challenge.

1008
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:25,640
Yeah, it's a challenge when you're trying to build in such a structure that you're using and

1009
01:31:26,260 --> 01:31:30,900
you're going to have construction activities over it and you're shifting lanes to do certain things.

1010
01:31:31,420 --> 01:31:36,440
I think it would probably deteriorate faster than what we would want it to.

1011
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:40,600
There's also a component where we try not to, what we call scope creep.

1012
01:31:40,780 --> 01:31:44,920
If you start going further and further and further out, I run out of money to actually do that work.

1013
01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:51,300
So within the footprint and within what's required, essentially CalTrans will only participate in around 200 feet on either side of the bridge.

1014
01:31:51,540 --> 01:31:56,680
We look at that, we look at the available funding we have for paving, so typically we'll put that in our paving program.

1015
01:31:56,900 --> 01:32:00,360
So I have to start judging how far I go out and when I start doing the work.

1016
01:32:00,460 --> 01:32:04,680
But to answer your question about doing it beforehand, we try not to do that and that's not typical.

1017
01:32:05,220 --> 01:32:09,600
We really want to work to most of the construction is completed before we actually put down the smooth road.

1018
01:32:09,820 --> 01:32:12,720
We stripe it and then we turn it over to the city to maintain it.

1019
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:19,620
But how far on each side of the bridge would that pertain to about 200 feet, but we typically look a little bit extra.

1020
01:32:20,560 --> 01:32:23,780
The money that I have is really to do the infrastructure, the actual structural.

1021
01:32:23,780 --> 01:32:35,440
I asked about other city paving dollars, not this bridge project, because I'm speaking about much larger portions away from it, closer to genotry and back up towards smoke tree.

1022
01:32:36,080 --> 01:32:50,980
So you're asking when we're going to get to those pieces or are you going to do any of those pieces before this not necessarily if they're not in today's program that we're already paving today and I won't be able to take off the top of my head if we're doing that but

1023
01:32:51,500 --> 01:33:03,240
not so I have my principal engineer just shaking his head so we don't have that in our current paving program but this project will continue will pay in the areas that are associated with it and then it will eventually become

1024
01:33:03,240 --> 01:33:08,600
The payment index will dictate when we'll actually pay the rest of that.

1025
01:33:09,160 --> 01:33:16,180
And just find a question, let me ask you this then, if you go from 200 feet from the bridge down towards Gene Autry.

1026
01:33:16,680 --> 01:33:23,140
That portion of 111 is in bad shape, that's our portion, not CalTrans.

1027
01:33:23,700 --> 01:33:25,940
Do you know when we are going to be doing that portion?

1028
01:33:26,060 --> 01:33:30,240
I would have to check the PCI and really get back to you, I can answer that question by tomorrow.

1029
01:33:30,240 --> 01:33:33,460
or if you really could do, because that's where I get a lot of complaints.

1030
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:36,620
Liz in the actual pay-beam program that we have.

1031
01:33:36,880 --> 01:33:37,420
Okay, thank you.

1032
01:33:37,780 --> 01:33:37,880
Sure.

1033
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:47,100
We're seeking a motion and a second for item T. Great.

1034
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:52,490
Thank you.

1035
01:33:54,410 --> 01:33:56,750
Council Member DeHart, you also had item V.

1036
01:34:05,990 --> 01:34:14,290
Yeah, V. So, what's the total expense that we're going to have with Cassidy Whitmore?

1037
01:34:15,790 --> 01:34:21,390
And we're talking about a $100 an hour increase from where we are today.

1038
01:34:22,330 --> 01:34:30,090
So what do we pay today and where will that take us down the road with this increase coming in?

1039
01:34:33,660 --> 01:34:36,660
Hello, Mary and Council, Stephanie George, human resources director.

1040
01:34:37,420 --> 01:34:43,660
We actually don't anticipate a significant increase and that is because we have changed our structure.

1041
01:34:43,660 --> 01:34:53,020
For 2025, an early 2025, our senior council retired and we replaced that structure with going to an associate.

1042
01:34:53,740 --> 01:35:01,440
We saw an increase in billing rates because that associate would then go to senior council, so we're actually kind of getting built both.

1043
01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:11,020
So we met with LCW and we restructured it back to our previous way and now we have our first point of contact as a partner and

1044
01:35:11,020 --> 01:35:14,980
And while you think that would cause rates to increase because the bill rate is higher,

1045
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:18,560
it's much more efficient, so we spend less time on legal.

1046
01:35:19,580 --> 01:35:21,660
And that's why we're not asking for an increase.

1047
01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,700
But where's the $100 an hour increase come from?

1048
01:35:27,140 --> 01:35:31,320
So their bill rate for the partner is going to be $100 an hour higher.

1049
01:35:31,700 --> 01:35:37,440
Their last increase happened in 2022, they typically increase every four years is what we've seen.

1050
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:49,880
So I'm not being clear, where are we getting the money from to pay for this $100 an hour increase that it's going to be tens of thousands of dollars?

1051
01:35:51,080 --> 01:35:58,800
Our overall annual costs for LCW fluctuates greatly depending on the amount of litigation we have.

1052
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:03,280
We don't anticipate going over what we've already approved in the budget.

1053
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:05,560
Okay, thank you.

1054
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:20,580
Thank you. Stephanie, so they're asking for $100 an hour, could they do, would they do less than that, or will they leave us as a firm?

1055
01:36:20,940 --> 01:36:27,400
I don't believe they would leave us, and if it pleases Council, I would be happy to go back and see if I could negotiate a better rate.

1056
01:36:28,240 --> 01:36:36,820
One of the things that might help determine that is, is there any comparison of what they charge other municipalities that they do?

1057
01:36:37,480 --> 01:36:37,660
Yes.

1058
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,760
Did they charge the same rate they're charging us?

1059
01:36:40,240 --> 01:36:41,500
Yes, we did some research.

1060
01:36:42,260 --> 01:36:45,320
The two cities we were able to get clear numbers back on.

1061
01:36:45,500 --> 01:36:48,280
We were right in the middle between those two cities.

1062
01:36:48,300 --> 01:36:50,120
One was City of Compton and City of Redlands.

1063
01:36:50,520 --> 01:36:53,580
I know they do many cities in California.

1064
01:36:54,240 --> 01:37:12,800
In a couple of cities, I was associated with, I know that rates were much less, so I think instead of just giving them a hundred, maybe we could ask what I'm asking is, could we continue this and maybe see if there's something other than a hundred dollars just increase?

1065
01:37:13,300 --> 01:37:17,160
Absolutely, I'm happy to go back to see if we can reduce the increase of it.

1066
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:18,560
I agree with that.

1067
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:29,100
In the second part, I had on the contract, and this is on page 12 of the staff report, you know, it mentions it and I don't know if they do this.

1068
01:37:29,100 --> 01:37:34,770
It says that they review their rates on an annual basis.

1069
01:37:35,650 --> 01:37:41,010
And if appropriate for them, they adjust them July 1st and they let us know.

1070
01:37:41,010 --> 01:37:47,850
So I don't do they do this, so they have a right just to increase every July if they choose to do so.

1071
01:37:50,530 --> 01:37:55,850
Under that language, they would, and the city would have the right to say, okay, we're no longer going to use your services.

1072
01:37:56,330 --> 01:38:03,750
So that's why they provide that notices, so the city can decide whether it wants to continue using the service, and that provides the city with leverage.

1073
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:16,040
I will point out, sorry to interrupt, they haven't used that provision certainly in the last eight years that we've identified.

1074
01:38:16,420 --> 01:38:19,460
They've come to us with the two amendments that the Council approves.

1075
01:38:19,620 --> 01:38:21,300
Yeah, so we could take that out though.

1076
01:38:22,060 --> 01:38:26,720
We could certainly go back to them and ask them to take it out since, again, they haven't used that.

1077
01:38:28,180 --> 01:38:33,800
Okay. Well, that would be my request if that clause be removed. Obviously, if they want

1078
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:39,120
an increase, they would ask and then would go through this process. So the other question

1079
01:38:39,120 --> 01:38:45,280
then is, do you recommend that we proceed this evening with a vote or you want to go back

1080
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:49,120
and talk to them and see if they'll? I've heard from two counts. We've heard

1081
01:38:49,120 --> 01:38:53,860
from two council members. If there's consensus by at least a majority, we can table it and go

1082
01:38:53,860 --> 01:38:56,300
go back and negotiate if that's a council's pleasure.

1083
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:58,820
I said we negotiate a better deal.

1084
01:39:01,950 --> 01:39:04,850
How does this impact any work that they're doing with us right now?

1085
01:39:05,370 --> 01:39:07,830
They're still continuing to work under the existing rights.

1086
01:39:08,430 --> 01:39:08,730
Thank you.

1087
01:39:13,970 --> 01:39:14,610
It's a table.

1088
01:39:16,440 --> 01:39:17,700
We wouldn't vote on it.

1089
01:39:17,740 --> 01:39:18,420
You got this table?

1090
01:39:18,620 --> 01:39:19,080
That's fine.

1091
01:39:19,320 --> 01:39:19,900
You're fine with it.

1092
01:39:19,900 --> 01:39:20,160
Thank you.

1093
01:39:20,340 --> 01:39:20,860
Thank you, Stephanie.

1094
01:39:26,230 --> 01:39:29,530
Not voting on item B.

1095
01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:34,410
Next we have item X, Mayor Pro Tem ready.

1096
01:39:34,410 --> 01:39:35,270
on

1097
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:38,400
which one that was.

1098
01:39:38,780 --> 01:39:38,980
X.

1099
01:39:39,820 --> 01:39:40,360
Yes.

1100
01:39:40,920 --> 01:39:41,340
Thank you.

1101
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:42,340
Thank you, Mayor.

1102
01:39:42,780 --> 01:39:51,120
So on this one, my question specifically was, this, apparently, and correct me if I'm wrong.

1103
01:39:51,260 --> 01:40:00,770
This is clearly an unfunded state mandate, and you're looking to contract with Ontario for about, you think, $400,000.

1104
01:40:01,940 --> 01:40:04,800
And so I appreciate the briefing that you gave to Council.

1105
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:17,880
Well, my question is, part of the reason we're not doing this in-house is because we don't have what you think now is the personnel to do it, and the ability capacity to do it.

1106
01:40:18,260 --> 01:40:25,300
I think we probably could, in talking to the city manager, you're probably something to work towards that you'll get there.

1107
01:40:25,580 --> 01:40:32,800
And so the one thing that I was concerned about is that you're not filling two positions that are vacancies and

1108
01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:42,500
One of the reasons was we don't have enough dispatchers, it's hard to get dispatchers, keep dispatchers, there's people out vacations getting sick, retiring.

1109
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:47,300
So not having enough is always going to be a problem for capacity.

1110
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:54,180
So if I'm reading this right, you're going to pay for this by not hiring vacant positions.

1111
01:40:55,860 --> 01:41:03,800
My question is, I guess, wouldn't it be better to hire the positions to always maintain our important capacity there and to build it?

1112
01:41:04,220 --> 01:41:10,080
And then this is an unfunded state mandate, we just need to appropriate the money if it's what we have to do.

1113
01:41:10,460 --> 01:41:11,320
So that's my question.

1114
01:41:11,460 --> 01:41:18,780
Mayor Portem, just to clarify that, yeah, we did have some original discussions about trying, do we need to freeze some positions?

1115
01:41:18,780 --> 01:41:42,220
We do have our, where's my budget director, a management safety fund where we think we can work that into the current budget to help cover most of the costs for this during at least the first year while we're evaluating what the long term solution is, do we need to expand out the current Dispatch Center, do we need to come up with some other scenario.

1116
01:41:42,220 --> 01:41:48,380
So, I don't think we're going to have to get to the position where we're freezing positions.

1117
01:41:48,380 --> 01:41:52,140
We've got a number of dispatch positions already to fill.

1118
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:54,040
We're working on getting those filled.

1119
01:41:54,340 --> 01:41:57,320
And then if we get to that point, we'll have to have some more discussions.

1120
01:42:00,380 --> 01:42:02,400
Just add on that Christopher Muni, Director of Finance.

1121
01:42:02,620 --> 01:42:07,680
So, we do have an emergency response fund that does support dispatch services.

1122
01:42:08,600 --> 01:42:13,740
There's not a whole lot of money in that fund, but we can use it probably for the first year to get us through.

1123
01:42:14,500 --> 01:42:20,400
But if it ever comes down to that, the police department needs to hire those two dispatchers.

1124
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:26,120
We're more than happy to unfreeze those and appropriate the dollars of the General Fund at the Council's request.

1125
01:42:27,700 --> 01:42:34,780
Okay, that's fine, but I'm just going, it says the expense of this will be offset by freezing two vacant dispatch positions.

1126
01:42:35,380 --> 01:42:37,780
So we're, for the right, we're saying we're not going to do that.

1127
01:42:37,780 --> 01:42:37,840
Not?

1128
01:42:38,500 --> 01:42:43,980
I think that's initially what we are going to do if the police department wants to fill those spots.

1129
01:42:44,160 --> 01:42:46,880
We're more than happy to not do it and appropriate the dollars other general fund.

1130
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:49,120
We're not going to do that.

1131
01:42:49,640 --> 01:42:53,720
Oh, okay, so we're correcting this for the record, we're not going to do that.

1132
01:42:54,000 --> 01:43:02,760
All right, so we're going to hire all the positions that you have the vacancies for dispatchers because that was part of the reason why you'd indicated we can't do this.

1133
01:43:02,760 --> 01:43:18,440
And my sense is it's going to be a lot more expensive because when you look at the list of all the dispatched kinds of calls that have to be that you're going to send, you're basically going to be sending 90% of the calls, dispatched calls, the medical calls.

1134
01:43:18,740 --> 01:43:21,140
So that says to me this number is going to grow.

1135
01:43:21,780 --> 01:43:25,480
The best antidote to that is handling it in our dispatched center.

1136
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:32,080
And I believe that we couldn't have the capacity to do that, making sure these positions are hired will be a good first step.

1137
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:39,500
I'm just curious, any sense of how long you think until you can come forward with a plan to do it ourselves?

1138
01:43:42,750 --> 01:43:59,450
I'm going to defer to police and fire to talk about that, but I think the position, the thought of the administration is we want to give it, let's give it six to 12 months, let's see how it's going, how we're managing it, and then I think police and fire will come forward and they'll make some recommendations to us.

1139
01:43:59,450 --> 01:44:04,970
In the meantime, we're going to be looking at scenarios for what can we do with our dispatch center?

1140
01:44:05,410 --> 01:44:09,250
Can we, you know, we're going to be going into our next two-year budget cycle next year?

1141
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:18,210
So between now and then I think we're going to be doing some work about what that might entail if we want, if we needed to expand it, if we wanted to expand it.

1142
01:44:18,570 --> 01:44:23,630
And bake that into some of the recommendations we might make in the next budget cycle.

1143
01:44:28,120 --> 01:44:55,440
I would agree with that assessment, our look is if we are approved to move forward with the contract with Ontario Fire Department for EMD services, I have a deputy chief that would be our liaison between Ontario, the police department and the fire department here in Palm Springs, and our opportunity is within six months to take a hard look at what the personnel requirements are to deliver that EMD service, what the staffing requirements are, the training, the training, the

1144
01:44:55,440 --> 01:44:59,960
And also with the facility and the IT technology that would be required to bring it back to you.

1145
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,900
I would like to take a look at Ontario, how their service delivery is, and what it takes to achieve that. So my goal is that in six months of this contract going into effect to come back to council and city manager and provide a staff report to you. Could I ask a side to the city attorney in reading through the contract with them? How is the life? I couldn't entirely get barms around how the liability is going to work. So we transfer a call to them, dispatch somehow

1146
01:45:29,900 --> 01:45:32,140
Now, there's some negligence on the dispatcher there.

1147
01:45:32,360 --> 01:45:42,460
It looks like any third party that brings a case against them, we're going to have to hold them harmless or pay half of the case fees.

1148
01:45:42,680 --> 01:45:48,860
No, the language, although it's phrased a little bit differently than most indemnifications, it's actually probably a little bit more straightforward.

1149
01:45:49,160 --> 01:45:52,380
And it basically says each party is responsible for their own negligence.

1150
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:58,720
So if the Ontario's dispatchers do something negligent, then Ontario would be responsible.

1151
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:03,840
If our employees use something negligent, the city would be responsible.

1152
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:12,440
It goes on to say if we ever went to trial and a jury held one party responsible under

1153
01:46:12,440 --> 01:46:19,560
kind of joint and several liability, then the parties would be able to seek indemnification

1154
01:46:20,260 --> 01:46:25,500
from the party who was ultimately found to be liable irrespective of joint and several liabilities.

1155
01:46:25,500 --> 01:46:34,700
So, I've reviewed it, I'm comfortable with it from a legal perspective in terms of shifting risk to the party who is actually responsible for any kind of damages.

1156
01:46:35,400 --> 01:46:36,100
Okay, thank you.

1157
01:46:36,900 --> 01:46:37,720
Once more, my corner.

1158
01:46:38,620 --> 01:46:43,280
Thank you, I just have one thing, this is a really confusing conversation if you haven't read the staff report.

1159
01:46:43,780 --> 01:46:49,680
So, for the public, what's happening right now is that our 911 call center is fairly straightforward.

1160
01:46:49,980 --> 01:46:54,340
You call, you might say that there's someone who's choking, they're going to send help on the way.

1161
01:46:54,340 --> 01:47:00,560
Okay. What we're changing to now with contracting with Ontario is so that if you say call and

1162
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:05,820
say, hey, someone is choking, they will then walk you through the steps to help you hopefully

1163
01:47:05,820 --> 01:47:12,240
relieve that person from the choking incident. That goes for automatic external defibrillators,

1164
01:47:12,480 --> 01:47:21,420
CPR instructions, childbirth, bleeding control, anaphylaxis, narcotics overdoses. So it's

1165
01:47:21,420 --> 01:47:24,180
a really well help is on the way.

1166
01:47:24,340 --> 01:47:27,020
So walking you through the process, kind of just like you would see in the movies,

1167
01:47:28,300 --> 01:47:30,400
instead of just saying, hey, help is on the way.

1168
01:47:30,500 --> 01:47:31,920
They're going to actually now walk you through those steps.

1169
01:47:32,100 --> 01:47:35,920
So this is a really important and exciting thing that is happening.

1170
01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:40,800
And I appreciate that you're taking the time to figure out how to implement that here in the city.

1171
01:47:41,360 --> 01:47:45,800
And in the meantime, contracting with somebody who's already well versed in it.

1172
01:47:46,020 --> 01:47:50,720
But I just wanted to explain that to the public because I think this is a really big improvement in our 911 system.

1173
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:56,460
So thank you for that and it's required by state law it is required so we have to that's correct by this

1174
01:47:56,460 --> 01:47:57,840
Additional services

1175
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:02,000
Yeah, I would my only additional thought around

1176
01:48:02,760 --> 01:48:05,420
If and when and how we bring it in house is

1177
01:48:06,260 --> 01:48:10,240
Really making sure that we're kind of considering this and kind of our capital improvement projects

1178
01:48:10,240 --> 01:48:15,360
And if it could fit in or just making sure as we're planning in the next budget cycle

1179
01:48:18,380 --> 01:48:25,940
even if it's several years out, we really need to think about our physical capacity and where that would fit as early as possible.

1180
01:48:28,740 --> 01:48:32,280
I mean, I've never known us, I mean, we don't hang up on someone currently.

1181
01:48:32,780 --> 01:48:39,920
I mean, we do that now, we've done that for many, many years, exactly what, this is just formalizing what we've always done.

1182
01:48:40,420 --> 01:48:51,840
So, but I get the requirement, okay, you're probably going to need a couple more dispatchers to do it, because it's going to take longer, but in essence, we do that now, unless we don't.

1183
01:48:52,240 --> 01:49:01,060
Oh, you're correct, we do not do that now. Currently, our dispatchers do not provide emergency medical dispatch service to a 911 caller.

1184
01:49:01,060 --> 01:49:06,980
Well, but that's no one saying if someone's on the line choking and they need help we don't just disconnect the call

1185
01:49:06,980 --> 01:49:12,680
We stay on the call with them. We talk them through that that that's what we're saying. We don't do that now

1186
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:18,380
We do not have trained dispatchers to provide any type of choking instruction for someone calling 911

1187
01:49:21,490 --> 01:49:22,050
currently

1188
01:49:22,050 --> 01:49:26,570
That requires a whole level of training and ongoing training

1189
01:49:27,170 --> 01:49:28,550
quality assurance checks

1190
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:33,090
We currently do not provide that service and that's why assembly bill 645

1191
01:49:33,490 --> 01:49:37,970
is requiring that they realize that dispatchers are often the first critical

1192
01:49:37,970 --> 01:49:44,790
link for anyone calling 911 before paramedic firefighters even may contact with that patient.

1193
01:49:45,450 --> 01:49:49,490
So having dispatchers that can provide college immediate life saving instruction,

1194
01:49:49,700 --> 01:49:55,370
they may help stabilize the patient or improve outcome, has been proven in those six areas.

1195
01:49:55,750 --> 01:50:03,470
I agree with that, but at some point I presume our dispatchers will have the ability to do that.

1196
01:50:03,470 --> 01:50:06,250
That's why I'm asking, they would have the capacity to do that.

1197
01:50:06,690 --> 01:50:12,230
Once we contract the Ontario Ontario would provide that service, then it would be our job to look internally.

1198
01:50:12,450 --> 01:50:15,290
How do we provide that training, how do we bring that in-house?

1199
01:50:15,810 --> 01:50:20,510
Currently, Mayor Proxam, we do not provide that service to a so-called 911.

1200
01:50:21,530 --> 01:50:23,110
We do not have that medical expertise.

1201
01:50:23,130 --> 01:50:27,350
Well, not that level of service, but what I'm saying is, we don't just disconnect.

1202
01:50:27,790 --> 01:50:30,410
If someone's asking for help, we don't just disconnect the call.

1203
01:50:31,490 --> 01:50:32,010
Currently.

1204
01:50:32,350 --> 01:50:38,670
I'll turn this over to Deputy Chief Stern, but my belief is there is no instruction given beyond that point.

1205
01:50:39,470 --> 01:50:45,450
Good evening, everyone. Deputy Chief Kyle Stern from the Palm Springs Police Department. Mayor Prattemberer, you're correct.

1206
01:50:45,750 --> 01:50:56,690
Are dispatchers, are public safety professionals, if they're dealing with a medical emergency, they will do everything in their power to provide good advice while our professionals from the Fire Department are responding?

1207
01:50:56,690 --> 01:51:05,570
But this new requirement from the State mandates that they cannot leave that call while they're answering it to meet this EMD requirement.

1208
01:51:06,190 --> 01:51:14,290
Given our current state now, if there were other emergency calls and other things coming in, they wouldn't theory have to say potentially in dire circumstances.

1209
01:51:14,970 --> 01:51:24,210
Fires on the way try to do this, but if there's other 911 calls coming in and there are only two, three dispatchers at a time, they may have to disconnect that call.

1210
01:51:24,210 --> 01:51:28,290
This mandate requires that we cannot do that to meet the EMD requirement.

1211
01:51:28,950 --> 01:51:32,630
And our staffing just may not, we can't meet that need, right?

1212
01:51:32,710 --> 01:51:33,610
I understand, I understand.

1213
01:51:33,830 --> 01:51:36,550
And again, I'm not disputing this is all important.

1214
01:51:36,730 --> 01:51:41,870
I just raised the issue that it's, the why I think it's important for us to have a capacity to do it inside.

1215
01:51:42,230 --> 01:51:48,030
Because when we've gone through switching calls in the past, that always opens us up to,

1216
01:51:48,030 --> 01:51:50,090
you, hold on, we got to transfer you.

1217
01:51:50,910 --> 01:51:54,730
One, two, three, maybe a call gets transferred quickly.

1218
01:51:55,130 --> 01:51:59,450
Maybe it doesn't, maybe they pick up quickly, maybe they don't, maybe it gets dropped.

1219
01:51:59,950 --> 01:52:01,250
We've all had that experience.

1220
01:52:01,450 --> 01:52:06,670
So all I'm saying is at some point, when we can get it in-house, it's important to avoid that issue.

1221
01:52:07,090 --> 01:52:10,230
And number two, I think it's probably going to be more efficient on the cost side.

1222
01:52:10,670 --> 01:52:10,770
So-

1223
01:52:10,770 --> 01:52:15,950
Yeah, and it's only a pertain, just if I could just add and reiterate Council Member Garner's comments.

1224
01:52:15,950 --> 01:52:22,790
We're really excited about this because this is an enhancement for our residents to the services that they're getting now.

1225
01:52:22,930 --> 01:52:27,070
So our police and fire folks are really interested to get this going.

1226
01:52:27,290 --> 01:52:37,470
It is a state law but it is an enhanced level of service that we're going to be able to provide to our residents while we're trying to figure out that long-term solution that you're talking about.

1227
01:52:37,470 --> 01:52:38,810
So we're all saying the same thing.

1228
01:52:39,050 --> 01:52:39,630
Thank you.

1229
01:52:41,250 --> 01:52:43,790
We have a motion and we have a second move.

1230
01:52:45,130 --> 01:52:45,310
One more.

1231
01:52:45,570 --> 01:52:54,290
My concern on this item was what has been mentioned and that is that we don't jeopardize

1232
01:52:54,290 --> 01:52:58,710
the success of the program by freezing two positions.

1233
01:52:59,730 --> 01:53:02,070
That just isn't acceptable for me.

1234
01:53:02,070 --> 01:53:08,070
And I want to make sure that this is in stone, that that's not going to happen.

1235
01:53:08,490 --> 01:53:13,410
That those two positions, we're still going to aggressively fill those positions and

1236
01:53:13,410 --> 01:53:18,910
find funding in other line items to pay the Ontario bill.

1237
01:53:20,050 --> 01:53:21,030
That's correct, Councilman.

1238
01:53:21,250 --> 01:53:26,490
We're going to move full speed ahead using the Emergency Management Fund, that the Budget Director talked.

1239
01:53:26,730 --> 01:53:27,570
Beautiful, thank you.

1240
01:53:27,570 --> 01:53:28,490
Motion

1241
01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:35,260
carries.

1242
01:53:38,860 --> 01:53:41,000
Next, we have, thank you.

1243
01:53:41,380 --> 01:53:41,640
Thank you.

1244
01:53:41,820 --> 01:53:42,400
I appreciate it.

1245
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,660
Next, we have item A.A.

1246
01:53:46,800 --> 01:53:48,460
Council member Bernstein.

1247
01:53:48,900 --> 01:53:49,940
Would you like a staff report?

1248
01:53:57,060 --> 01:53:59,160
Or I can just tell you my concerns.

1249
01:54:01,640 --> 01:54:03,560
I'll just say what my concerns are.

1250
01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:07,700
This is what we had asked with Oak View to come back

1251
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:12,080
on the local brands and community nonprofit.

1252
01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:15,040
the profit element of the food and beverage contract.

1253
01:54:16,380 --> 01:54:21,420
My first question was the definition of a local brand is here vendor suppliers, producers

1254
01:54:21,420 --> 01:54:29,300
located in the Coachella Valley, which to me doesn't really seem accurate because Ralph's

1255
01:54:29,300 --> 01:54:35,880
is, you know, could be a supplier, but that's not what we wanted a local brand that is based

1256
01:54:35,880 --> 01:54:42,400
here and not just a distributor or a vendor and so and not that we don't want

1257
01:54:42,400 --> 01:54:47,640
things like local forums and things like that obviously we do but what we're

1258
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:52,800
trying to do is expose our visitors to local flavor and uniquely Coachella

1259
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:57,180
Valley brands like they brought up before Coachella Valley coffee, Gambino's,

1260
01:54:58,700 --> 01:55:04,120
Chaladokunucci, you know brandini coffee, whatever it is that's what we want to do

1261
01:55:04,120 --> 01:55:09,640
because there's a benefit not only to the local business, but also it promotes something

1262
01:55:09,640 --> 01:55:11,240
that's unique about the Coachella Valley.

1263
01:55:11,860 --> 01:55:15,020
So that was the first part of my question, can slash concern.

1264
01:55:16,820 --> 01:55:17,860
Do you want me to go to the next one?

1265
01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:19,880
I take one at a time.

1266
01:55:20,020 --> 01:55:20,580
What's your preference?

1267
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:22,100
One at a time, please.

1268
01:55:22,180 --> 01:55:25,720
Okay, so Mayor, member of the Council, Seth Merrill from the City Attorney's Office,

1269
01:55:26,620 --> 01:55:33,860
Council members are referring to the local brands which is Exhibit A1 before you.

1270
01:55:34,380 --> 01:55:39,900
In hearing that concern, we have discussed with OVGH who is represented here tonight

1271
01:55:40,180 --> 01:55:47,640
to add after producer to add the language with its operational base or corporate headquarters located.

1272
01:55:48,220 --> 01:55:53,640
So we're going to have the vendor suppliers, producers who operations are here,

1273
01:55:53,640 --> 01:55:57,680
or whose headquarters are here, to try and respond to that concern.

1274
01:55:58,640 --> 01:56:00,820
And that's language that is acceptable to-

1275
01:56:00,820 --> 01:56:03,760
I still don't know if that covers a brand.

1276
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:07,840
I mean, you know, let's just say Cisco, which provides lots of food,

1277
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:13,440
lots of places, and their headquarters are now is going to be in Palm Desert.

1278
01:56:14,260 --> 01:56:17,200
I don't think that's what we had in mind of the local brand.

1279
01:56:17,360 --> 01:56:22,880
It's a local supplier, which is great, and it would fall under our RFP thing as a local preference.

1280
01:56:23,420 --> 01:56:30,580
But our goal here was to have local brands that a customer of the convention center will recognize.

1281
01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:34,940
I don't know, I'm not a lawyer, so I don't know how best to describe this, but...

1282
01:56:35,920 --> 01:56:39,300
I wonder if representatives from OECV might talk about what they do.

1283
01:56:39,660 --> 01:56:44,840
And just to clarify, I believe this is what they were presenting when they came to us.

1284
01:56:44,940 --> 01:56:47,020
This is, we had a lot of them speak to us.

1285
01:56:47,020 --> 01:56:53,640
And so that's what I thought it was something like that.

1286
01:56:54,280 --> 01:57:00,120
Good evening, Councilor Chris Morgan from OVG Hospitality, OVG fanfare.

1287
01:57:00,660 --> 01:57:04,200
Thanks for having me again here at Council.

1288
01:57:04,860 --> 01:57:06,680
Yeah, that's the intent of it.

1289
01:57:07,500 --> 01:57:13,580
The way that it's written, you know, one of our concerns is that let's Coachella Valley coffee.

1290
01:57:13,580 --> 01:57:19,680
although I don't think that they would ever move their office to another

1291
01:57:19,680 --> 01:57:26,340
location you know happens fairly often that somebody might you know open

1292
01:57:26,340 --> 01:57:30,200
another location and relocate their office but they still are making the

1293
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:37,740
product here so we're trying to hit all of that in that the terminology there but

1294
01:57:37,740 --> 01:57:43,060
the intent is you know we're we're buying from brands like the ones that have

1295
01:57:43,060 --> 01:57:45,440
I've come up here and spoken in front of you

1296
01:57:45,440 --> 01:57:48,160
and many others that are located here

1297
01:57:48,160 --> 01:57:49,720
in the Greater Coachella Valley.

1298
01:57:50,020 --> 01:57:52,580
But you still have in there vendors and suppliers.

1299
01:57:53,820 --> 01:57:54,780
And that's where I get,

1300
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:56,640
that's where I'm getting confused

1301
01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:58,080
because a vendor or supplier,

1302
01:57:58,480 --> 01:58:02,020
they don't have to necessarily supply local brands.

1303
01:58:02,020 --> 01:58:03,100
They could be based here.

1304
01:58:04,940 --> 01:58:05,580
That not right.

1305
01:58:06,340 --> 01:58:08,420
They could, I guess.

1306
01:58:08,940 --> 01:58:10,060
I don't know where, like Cisco,

1307
01:58:10,060 --> 01:58:15,280
go, which is a big food distributor and supply, I don't know why they're located, but if

1308
01:58:15,280 --> 01:58:19,660
they were located here in the valley, I would say they do not count for what we're trying

1309
01:58:19,660 --> 01:58:20,340
to do with this.

1310
01:58:23,820 --> 01:58:31,560
Yes, again, the intent is not to count anything that Cisco and your example.

1311
01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:37,940
They would not fall into what we're classifying as local vendors.

1312
01:58:41,770 --> 01:58:46,650
Well, what I'm talking about, what I'm talking about, the definition says vendor supplier

1313
01:58:46,650 --> 01:58:47,630
producer located.

1314
01:58:47,810 --> 01:58:51,730
What I'm talking about is the actual brand name is based here.

1315
01:58:52,490 --> 01:58:57,330
And so because that's really what we're trying to get at with the local flavor in the sense

1316
01:58:57,330 --> 01:58:57,810
of place.

1317
01:58:58,890 --> 01:58:59,690
It doesn't, you know,

1318
01:59:02,350 --> 01:59:08,270
the thing, you know, there could be, I don't know, let's say a paper

1319
01:59:08,270 --> 01:59:17,670
good supplier that is producing, let's say, napkins, right, here in the Coachella Valley

1320
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:24,170
that we want to use. They're not necessarily a brand, so then we would run into conflicts,

1321
01:59:24,690 --> 01:59:31,530
if we're trying to utilize our products and count them towards this committed spend that we are

1322
01:59:32,970 --> 01:59:38,670
presenting would could create an issue and you're trying to include a local

1323
01:59:38,670 --> 01:59:44,710
napkin supplier as part of a local brand in this. Yeah they're here and

1324
01:59:44,710 --> 01:59:50,150
they're they're producing something here then money is going back into this

1325
01:59:50,150 --> 01:59:57,210
community right so yeah I don't know a local napkin here if there is one

1326
02:00:00,460 --> 02:00:30,440
One point discussed was also local brands, and that's a little bit different than a producer or supplier or vendor. We've committed to using what you would call brands on our menus and really pushing those. Again, we've shown through our operations out in Palm Desert how we've worked with those local brands. And we intend to do that. They would fall as fall into this 70%

1327
02:00:30,440 --> 02:00:32,600
percent that we've committed to here.

1328
02:00:33,880 --> 02:00:36,700
Okay, but you could also include the local mappin supplier.

1329
02:00:37,160 --> 02:00:37,300
Yes.

1330
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:43,880
Okay, I actually don't think this should, I think it should be a local brand name

1331
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:48,840
because I think the idea is to have, it's the same as what we've done at the airport.

1332
02:00:49,080 --> 02:00:55,940
We want to have Lasca Suales and Coachella Valley coffee there and, well,

1333
02:00:55,940 --> 02:01:08,700
But you know, that is different than saying the NACCAN supplier for, for, you know, show small stores.

1334
02:01:09,580 --> 02:01:15,820
I just want to thank you, just want to add into that though, but these are both very important things, right?

1335
02:01:15,900 --> 02:01:21,060
Because we want to keep allow money to come back to the Coachella Valley.

1336
02:01:21,060 --> 02:01:24,680
So somebody that produces a good here in the Coachella Valley,

1337
02:01:25,920 --> 02:01:30,220
being asking for you all to purchase from someone here.

1338
02:01:30,360 --> 02:01:33,920
One, it's more sustainable, because it's coming from directly here in the valley.

1339
02:01:34,380 --> 02:01:38,700
But also, again, the money is coming through us and staying here.

1340
02:01:38,820 --> 02:01:41,340
So I think that I hear you on the brand stuff, but

1341
02:01:41,340 --> 02:01:50,180
also if we exclude other businesses that are not branding but are providing goods that we need at the Convention Center,

1342
02:01:50,180 --> 02:01:52,020
I want those to be included as well.

1343
02:01:52,540 --> 02:01:57,980
I think that is also important and can't be, can't, I wouldn't want to leave that out

1344
02:01:57,980 --> 02:02:01,500
because then we're leaving money on the table that's not coming back into our community.

1345
02:02:02,340 --> 02:02:05,140
And I don't think, yeah, and that was, I don't think that is all good.

1346
02:02:05,280 --> 02:02:07,760
The same is like a local farm, that's a lot of sense.

1347
02:02:08,180 --> 02:02:15,460
And so, but we may not have a local brand name, which has, and both are important.

1348
02:02:15,460 --> 02:02:27,840
And the local brand names has another issue just in terms of promoting ourselves to people who say I went to Palm Springs to the Convention Center, and I had Gambina's Crupperies because it's a great local brand.

1349
02:02:28,460 --> 02:02:38,140
And so that serves as added promotion for us as a city and our tourism, which is, it's still really good to say our Convention Center used a local mapping company.

1350
02:02:38,720 --> 02:02:43,740
But our convention goers aren't traveling the world, they're telling people about this wonderful mapping company.

1351
02:02:43,740 --> 02:02:47,320
But again, it's a sustainability thing, and it's a community thing.

1352
02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:49,420
It's not picking it's English.

1353
02:02:50,180 --> 02:02:55,680
I think they're both valuable in different ways and providing an economic value in a different way.

1354
02:02:55,900 --> 02:03:01,980
So it's not one, you, valuing one doesn't mean the other one isn't.

1355
02:03:02,240 --> 02:03:04,480
They're just, yeah, I'm not saying it's, and that's what I'm saying, I'm not.

1356
02:03:04,620 --> 02:03:09,760
It's just this local, we have a percentage of local brands that are being used.

1357
02:03:09,760 --> 02:03:21,020
and so which is what 7% and so I wanted to make sure that those are food and beverage suppliers located in the valley.

1358
02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:24,860
Councilman Bernstein, or the heart of sorry?

1359
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:36,740
Yeah, the intention was very, very clear and this council has never said anything different and it's that sense of local experience.

1360
02:03:36,740 --> 02:03:47,880
And that's the language that the vendor has used is you're giving customers the convention center that experience of Palm Springs.

1361
02:03:48,900 --> 02:03:59,600
So I just think Seth, it's just changing some words, but we can't say what we're saying here because that's not the intent of what council asked for.

1362
02:03:59,600 --> 02:04:21,300
Council asked for the local brand experience to be, to the customers of the convention center to be exposed to that, to create that sense of place for visitors in the convention center, and this doesn't say that, and the vendor is going to order the napkins regardless.

1363
02:04:21,300 --> 02:04:29,420
And so that example, they're going to go where they're going to get the best opportunity there.

1364
02:04:30,640 --> 02:04:34,680
So I look to you on how do you say that properly?

1365
02:04:35,060 --> 02:04:41,700
Well, maybe the addition to with its operational base or corporate headquarters

1366
02:04:41,700 --> 02:04:46,920
located in the greater Coachella Valley, we could add with its operational base,

1367
02:04:46,920 --> 02:04:52,940
This corporate headquarters, the highlight its location in the greater

1368
02:04:52,940 --> 02:04:58,580
Coachella Valley, so part of it is not only the purchase, but also to highlight the use of local brands.

1369
02:04:58,760 --> 02:05:05,700
Isn't it, isn't it, I mean, I don't know, can't it just be a local brand name who is based in the valley of

1370
02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:10,440
a food and beverage brand name?

1371
02:05:10,660 --> 02:05:13,140
I mean, is that, I don't know how to say it exactly.

1372
02:05:13,140 --> 02:05:15,880
So, that makes it.

1373
02:05:16,000 --> 02:05:30,260
But that would cover all of those people who came before us, the, you know, the popcorn people and the, um, the brandinis and the, and the craft people, the coffee people, those are local brand names based here.

1374
02:05:30,580 --> 02:05:40,420
Can that be drafted? Yes, that can be drafted. I think we're seeking direction from the council in terms of, because I'm hearing two different interests that are slightly different.

1375
02:05:40,420 --> 02:05:51,280
One is general economic development and kind of keeping money local, and then I'm also hearing a more specific one about branding, you know, that's unique to Coachella.

1376
02:05:51,460 --> 02:05:57,180
And so I don't know if we've heard from the entire council in terms of what is exactly the council's interest here, Paul.

1377
02:05:57,980 --> 02:06:03,140
Mr. Attorney, this line item has never been discussed about local economic impact.

1378
02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:09,680
It has always been discussed about making our local companies.

1379
02:06:09,680 --> 02:06:19,900
He's giving the local provider the opportunity and it's the local restaurant, the wine maker, coffee maker, popcorn.

1380
02:06:21,500 --> 02:06:24,120
So, that has always been the conversation.

1381
02:06:24,760 --> 02:06:34,040
And I think that that is actually reflected in the agreement 4.2, 0.6.4, where it talks about local products and

1382
02:06:34,040 --> 02:06:37,760
vendors, whenever reasonable, located in the greater Czechoslovakia, that are unique to

1383
02:06:37,760 --> 02:06:41,940
will provide a, quote, sense of place, unquote, reflecting the city's diversity

1384
02:06:41,940 --> 02:06:44,720
and culture when operating in the conventions that have such as restaurants,

1385
02:06:45,020 --> 02:06:48,920
food trucks, and other products, quote, define as local brands.

1386
02:06:49,460 --> 02:06:51,980
This exhibit is just making it operational.

1387
02:06:52,340 --> 02:06:56,380
What's the objective, what's the measure, and what's the penalty, if they don't achieve it?

1388
02:06:56,420 --> 02:06:58,440
Why can't we use that same definition right here?

1389
02:06:58,460 --> 02:07:00,120
So that is in agreement.

1390
02:07:00,260 --> 02:07:03,120
So it does say local brand fans, what are first batches?

1391
02:07:03,140 --> 02:07:04,020
It absolutely does.

1392
02:07:04,260 --> 02:07:07,740
And so I think the language is in the contract what we tried to do in this case,

1393
02:07:07,740 --> 02:07:11,540
exhibit A1 is just say, okay, what does that mean?

1394
02:07:11,740 --> 02:07:15,100
Being objective, how much, and what if you don't do it?

1395
02:07:15,200 --> 02:07:15,720
What's the remedy?

1396
02:07:15,940 --> 02:07:19,320
What does it hurt repeating the same language in exhibit A1?

1397
02:07:19,980 --> 02:07:21,540
We can absolutely repeat the same language.

1398
02:07:21,540 --> 02:07:22,940
I think that makes it very clear.

1399
02:07:23,260 --> 02:07:28,520
I mean, really what we're really what we're trying to establish is 7% of local brands

1400
02:07:28,520 --> 02:07:33,700
of cost of goods sold, and if it's not achieved, the penalty that's here.

1401
02:07:33,700 --> 02:07:37,040
So that we can simplify it by removing words.

1402
02:07:37,980 --> 02:07:39,700
I mean, we're not changing the contract.

1403
02:07:39,720 --> 02:07:42,160
You reference the other section in the agreement?

1404
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:43,060
Yeah.

1405
02:07:43,180 --> 02:07:43,700
Yeah, that makes sense.

1406
02:07:44,380 --> 02:07:45,140
That makes sense.

1407
02:07:45,420 --> 02:07:47,200
I think we move this all together.

1408
02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:49,540
Vendors, flyers, located.

1409
02:07:50,180 --> 02:07:54,500
But 7% of its total food and beverage as defined in that other section.

1410
02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:54,820
Yeah.

1411
02:07:55,000 --> 02:07:57,280
Local brands 7% and then the same penance.

1412
02:07:57,320 --> 02:07:59,220
So, I think we can just simplify it.

1413
02:07:59,400 --> 02:08:01,560
Because I think your concept is in the contract.

1414
02:08:02,160 --> 02:08:02,400
Okay.

1415
02:08:02,400 --> 02:08:05,420
This is just meant to put a number and a penalty if they don't achieve it.

1416
02:08:06,500 --> 02:08:09,400
So we're going to take out this reference to vendors.

1417
02:08:09,660 --> 02:08:10,660
Somebody has produced a list.

1418
02:08:10,660 --> 02:08:13,440
Remove the local vendors because we already have defined local business.

1419
02:08:13,880 --> 02:08:14,860
We don't need to, okay, great.

1420
02:08:15,800 --> 02:08:18,620
Okay, here's another item, there's another section.

1421
02:08:18,980 --> 02:08:26,600
So for the community nonprofit use, this is where we allow, and I just want to give some context.

1422
02:08:26,820 --> 02:08:30,800
What we had said is that we've allowed for certain community nonprofits,

1423
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:35,880
profits, Palm Springs-based ones, to use the Convention Center, but

1424
02:08:35,880 --> 02:08:37,200
there's very strict limitations.

1425
02:08:37,740 --> 02:08:39,500
So they can book a year in advance, but

1426
02:08:39,500 --> 02:08:45,160
three months ahead of time, the operator can cancel it if they have a revenue-producing event.

1427
02:08:45,800 --> 02:08:49,640
So we created this scenario so that our local Palm Springs,

1428
02:08:50,270 --> 02:08:55,760
not just local Palm Springs nonprofits, could use the Convention Center when it's

1429
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:59,700
otherwise not going to be used for a revenue-producing thing.

1430
02:08:59,700 --> 02:09:03,440
by producing a conference convention or meeting.

1431
02:09:04,320 --> 02:09:09,500
So what we had asked for last time was that we come up with an allowance so

1432
02:09:09,500 --> 02:09:15,880
that these local nonprofits could bring in their own food,

1433
02:09:17,020 --> 02:09:23,720
which would be less expensive presumably than the standard convention center.

1434
02:09:24,040 --> 02:09:29,340
We do have a caveat in there that the nonprofits get the absentee administrative fee

1435
02:09:29,340 --> 02:09:33,780
24% but and I don't know what Oakfield's prices are.

1436
02:09:34,060 --> 02:09:40,540
I know previous operators prices, a boxed lunch absence of the 24% could still be $40

1437
02:09:40,540 --> 02:09:41,160
a person.

1438
02:09:42,320 --> 02:09:48,440
So at 750, you're really talking about like a board meeting that is not an event.

1439
02:09:49,060 --> 02:09:55,060
And I think the goal was that if a community nonprofit wanted to have, you know, have the

1440
02:09:55,060 --> 02:09:59,400
a convention center, they stop to have AV and security and cleaning, whatever else they need.

1441
02:09:59,820 --> 02:10:01,800
But they could bring in food up to a certain amount.

1442
02:10:02,840 --> 02:10:03,800
$750 seemed,

1443
02:10:06,100 --> 02:10:10,940
is like probably what we have for lunch for 20 people in city hall, I don't know.

1444
02:10:12,520 --> 02:10:19,860
So I propose that it should be, what they can spend up to $7,500 with an outside person.

1445
02:10:20,720 --> 02:10:24,500
Or actually had set up to 20% of a total spend, whichever is greater.

1446
02:10:24,500 --> 02:10:30,640
So if they buy a $50,000 lunch from Oakview, they can spend $10,000 and bring in

1447
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:33,540
towny bagels to bring in bagels for breakfast.

1448
02:10:34,440 --> 02:10:36,920
The 750 doesn't really make any difference.

1449
02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:45,700
And so that's where I would like to change it to set of 750 to make it $7,500 outside spend.

1450
02:10:46,280 --> 02:10:52,420
And again, this is not replacing a general revenue-producing event for Oakview because most of

1451
02:10:52,420 --> 02:10:55,120
Do these nonprofits, if they can't do it, just will not do the event.

1452
02:10:57,620 --> 02:10:59,520
So we've heard your concerns.

1453
02:10:59,960 --> 02:11:08,420
Councilmember, in the discussions with OVG Ovations, they have agreed to increase that number from $750 to $2,500.

1454
02:11:09,200 --> 02:11:14,760
As that threshold by which they don't have to use the catering provided at the center at all.

1455
02:11:15,380 --> 02:11:20,740
So that's what we've been able to achieve is moving it from $750 to $2,500.

1456
02:11:20,740 --> 02:11:26,160
The logic being $125 box lunches, so-

1457
02:11:26,160 --> 02:11:28,100
Okay, so $25 for a box lunch.

1458
02:11:28,260 --> 02:11:32,020
If that's what Oakview, but that's not what they would charge.

1459
02:11:32,120 --> 02:11:33,660
So this is just you're bringing it outside.

1460
02:11:33,820 --> 02:11:44,820
You can bring in from whoever you want, local vendor, up to $2500 without having to engage OVGH's food beverage operation.

1461
02:11:44,820 --> 02:11:48,160
So I at $7,500, they want to do $2,500.

1462
02:11:48,300 --> 02:11:49,240
This is just me.

1463
02:11:49,440 --> 02:11:51,440
I don't know what Council thinks.

1464
02:11:51,900 --> 02:11:55,540
And I guess there is one other potentially way this could work.

1465
02:11:55,700 --> 02:12:01,800
They could spend $2,500, but the vendor could choose that's whatever they want to charge.

1466
02:12:02,980 --> 02:12:08,860
I think in practice, the idea is that there would be a receipt presented to say this is what we spent.

1467
02:12:09,180 --> 02:12:12,020
And ideally, it's $24.99.

1468
02:12:12,020 --> 02:12:23,420
So if, let's just say it's Towne Bagel says, okay, we, we will provide bagels and we would, you know, but we'll, we'll only charge you $2,500 for, we want to help support the nonprofit.

1469
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:27,240
Better example is we just have the state of the city.

1470
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:33,540
Ice creams donated, I'm not spending $2,500 then you could do it.

1471
02:12:34,220 --> 02:12:39,140
So that, that would be, the answer is, then,

1472
02:12:41,400 --> 02:12:43,140
then I would be okay with the $2,500.

1473
02:12:43,140 --> 02:12:44,040
Not

1474
02:12:46,190 --> 02:12:55,350
City's nonprofit use, nonprofit, ice cream is donated for a nonprofit use, the bill that they're presenting is less than the $2,500.

1475
02:13:00,870 --> 02:13:13,590
That's not the intent here for some group to go out and get $30,000 worth of product donated and say, look, it's $0.

1476
02:13:13,590 --> 02:13:23,510
dollars, you know, we're trying to balance providing some good will to these groups with

1477
02:13:23,510 --> 02:13:30,950
also protecting the business which is of course your business, right?

1478
02:13:31,870 --> 02:13:39,390
Under this arrangement, you know, we've been working closely with the venue management

1479
02:13:39,390 --> 02:13:54,870
and looking at all the events that currently happen that could fall under certain non-profit groups that use the center right now, and what their spend is and then how that could affect current business.

1480
02:13:55,570 --> 02:14:06,630
So well, I appreciate that we're looking forward at a group that maybe needs a space for three weeks from now, and maybe they can't afford to do.

1481
02:14:06,630 --> 02:14:16,970
a $15,000 lunch, you know, there's existing groups that are part of, we're part of our

1482
02:14:16,970 --> 02:14:22,370
pro forma and we're, you know, part of the existing business that was contributing back

1483
02:14:22,370 --> 02:14:25,650
to the overall fund for the Convention Center.

1484
02:14:27,170 --> 02:14:33,310
In that example, which is a very good example, the nonprofit wouldn't be able to go in because

1485
02:14:33,310 --> 02:14:40,730
the space is booked. So they wouldn't have that opportunity. They would have to pick another date

1486
02:14:40,730 --> 02:14:47,990
where you don't have business already on the books. So we're talking, you know, of course,

1487
02:14:48,170 --> 02:14:54,790
wants to have an event for 200 people and give out ox lunches, and they can get them for $2,500.

1488
02:14:54,790 --> 02:14:56,330
dollars, and so they're on.

1489
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,580
It's only $5 each. I mean, I think they're not going to come in, you're not losing any business because if you come to them and say, no, you can't do it, it's going to be $25, $30 a person, they're just not going to go there. I mean, that's historically what has happened with our nonprofits. It was not before you were there. So I'm not nothing to deal with you, but they often just said the convention center is too expensive to use. And we want to, it's our building, it's our communities building, the community is going to spend a lot of their

1490
02:15:29,580 --> 02:15:31,920
measure J money to upgrade this building.

1491
02:15:32,360 --> 02:15:37,140
I think it's viable and reasonable to say we want to give maximum use to the community

1492
02:15:37,140 --> 02:15:40,800
without taking away from real revenue producing events in any way.

1493
02:15:41,720 --> 02:15:46,000
And listen, if Oakview, from the operator point of view, comes in and says we've got revenue

1494
02:15:46,000 --> 02:15:51,260
producing events 365 days a year, this may not be an issue.

1495
02:15:51,500 --> 02:15:54,580
So most of these people are coming in at off times.

1496
02:15:57,490 --> 02:16:05,290
We have put forward a 24% discount far above what an industry standard for

1497
02:16:05,290 --> 02:16:08,870
non-profit discounts if you go to a hotel, you go to other convention centers,

1498
02:16:08,870 --> 02:16:11,530
you're going to find five to 10% discount for them.

1499
02:16:12,010 --> 02:16:15,110
So we've put forward a 24% discount for them.

1500
02:16:15,590 --> 02:16:21,130
We've included this carve out, we've gone up to $2,500 for

1501
02:16:21,130 --> 02:16:25,730
this carve out that they wouldn't pay a bio fee for, and

1502
02:16:25,730 --> 02:16:31,770
And they'd be able to bring in that, you know, those box lunches up to street value of $2,500.

1503
02:16:33,810 --> 02:16:35,390
That's what we've provided.

1504
02:16:36,030 --> 02:16:42,950
We believe that this is in the spirit of what everyone's trying to accomplish, but also

1505
02:16:43,910 --> 02:16:49,210
making sure that we're physically responsible for us and for the city.

1506
02:16:49,790 --> 02:16:53,890
Yeah, and we want you all to be, yeah, to take that route.

1507
02:16:53,890 --> 02:17:00,690
So, can you walk through, I'm going to buy a $100 product, what am I charged?

1508
02:17:00,890 --> 02:17:01,730
What am I charged?

1509
02:17:02,150 --> 02:17:04,630
So, I start with a $100 box lunch.

1510
02:17:06,250 --> 02:17:08,790
So, what's the, what is my plus plus plus?

1511
02:17:09,790 --> 02:17:12,730
You're talking for a normal convention.

1512
02:17:13,650 --> 02:17:15,290
A non-profit group who's booked.

1513
02:17:15,290 --> 02:17:16,450
A non-profit who's booked.

1514
02:17:16,750 --> 02:17:19,010
$100, we can use that number.

1515
02:17:19,070 --> 02:17:19,750
It's nice and round.

1516
02:17:19,950 --> 02:17:21,970
So, to do that, sales tax.

1517
02:17:28,870 --> 02:17:32,670
We're getting rid of the extra plus, right?

1518
02:17:33,050 --> 02:17:42,270
All the prices typically in our world are plus plus and that's tax and administrative fee management charge service.

1519
02:17:43,410 --> 02:17:47,550
It's no longer called service charge because of legal reasons.

1520
02:17:47,550 --> 02:17:52,190
But yeah, so here we would have a 24% management charge.

1521
02:17:52,230 --> 02:17:53,450
We are taking that away.

1522
02:17:53,670 --> 02:17:59,730
That is the discount that we're providing for the qualified local nonprofit.

1523
02:17:59,890 --> 02:18:00,290
Yeah, okay.

1524
02:18:02,800 --> 02:18:12,080
I think if we go for a year at the $2,500, it's worth trying to gauge it and see what the group say.

1525
02:18:13,500 --> 02:18:14,160
I think so.

1526
02:18:14,500 --> 02:18:19,620
I mean, the street value is a little bit weird because they also get to take off their plus plus.

1527
02:18:19,620 --> 02:18:25,360
and whatever else. So, you know, and G is that $2,500 worth of bagels is a lot if you were

1528
02:18:25,360 --> 02:18:30,220
hiring them to do a full catering set up and tax a gratuity that would probably be more

1529
02:18:30,220 --> 02:18:35,540
than if you go to county bagels and buy it. And I'm just using that as an example because it's

1530
02:18:35,540 --> 02:18:49,600
a local brand. And I think it's worth trying it. I just want to be very clear like if we don't want

1531
02:18:49,600 --> 02:18:54,080
the convention center and the convention center ends up being empty.

1532
02:18:55,320 --> 02:18:56,400
And so that's really the concern.

1533
02:18:56,760 --> 02:19:01,780
I mean, if you're booking money at money making event, much rather have that for paying for the convention center.

1534
02:19:02,930 --> 02:19:06,420
So I'd move that we adjust.

1535
02:19:06,960 --> 02:19:14,560
I have before we motion, would have you all thought about raising from the 2500 and

1536
02:19:14,560 --> 02:19:25,280
having that be kind of part of that 7% of local commitment to our brands and businesses.

1537
02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:33,960
Or if the intention is we want our nonprofits to use it, we also want to support our local

1538
02:19:33,960 --> 02:19:34,380
businesses.

1539
02:19:34,380 --> 02:19:36,740
Is there a way that those can be a little bit coordinated?

1540
02:19:38,440 --> 02:19:44,100
Administratively, I believe that would be very difficult and we really want to make

1541
02:19:44,100 --> 02:19:49,340
make sure that when it comes to that 7% that we're able to present a report every year

1542
02:19:49,340 --> 02:19:50,260
and show that.

1543
02:19:50,500 --> 02:19:59,560
I think if we co-mingle these two, you know, there could create issues and a bit of a burden

1544
02:19:59,560 --> 02:20:03,240
accounting-wise for our teams to keep track of that.

1545
02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:09,060
So, you know, I'm not sure that that's something that we want to entertain right now.

1546
02:20:09,060 --> 02:20:30,500
I could offer Madam Mayor, we did discuss that as a potential option, and OVGH has said we don't need that, so essentially they're committing to the 7% spend on local brands and not counting any nonprofit vendors that come in and don't use OVG's food and beverage against that, so the city is essentially getting more.

1547
02:20:30,800 --> 02:20:36,040
That was something that we are offering to them as a potential carrot, and they said thank you, but we don't need that.

1548
02:20:36,040 --> 02:20:36,680
Yeah, we're

1549
02:20:39,140 --> 02:20:45,040
getting both the proposal you think you offer would reduce the amount of locals spent.

1550
02:20:46,160 --> 02:20:49,060
I shall potentially reduce the number of nonprofits who can use it.

1551
02:20:49,280 --> 02:20:54,460
Yeah, we don't have a lot of experience with what Oak View charge.

1552
02:20:54,520 --> 02:20:58,000
We have no experience with Oak View charges because we haven't started doing it yet.

1553
02:20:58,520 --> 02:21:05,620
So I mean, I think comes one of the hardest right, we'll see within a year or so, if nonprofits

1554
02:21:05,620 --> 02:21:12,480
profits come and say, you know, they're box lunches, $100 for each person, then we have

1555
02:21:12,480 --> 02:21:17,660
a different subject, you know, a different conversation because it goes significantly

1556
02:21:17,660 --> 02:21:22,140
different of how we want to help local nonprofits use the center.

1557
02:21:24,360 --> 02:21:32,060
I mean, I'm willing to try it as long as we understand the intent is so that we are not precluding

1558
02:21:32,060 --> 02:21:41,460
being a local nonprofit from being able to use the invention center for a non-huge event really what it would be when you're otherwise be empty.

1559
02:21:43,400 --> 02:21:44,820
Can I make a motion now?

1560
02:21:44,920 --> 02:21:45,060
Yes.

1561
02:21:46,280 --> 02:22:01,600
So I move that we accept the staff recommendation with the change that Oakviews offered from $750 as the cap to $2,500.

1562
02:22:01,600 --> 02:22:09,520
dollars. And we try it for a year. And I think, you know, we truly appreciate Oakview's willingness

1563
02:22:09,520 --> 02:22:16,520
to see, you know, can we create an opportunity for the local non-profit? So, I appreciate

1564
02:22:16,520 --> 02:22:18,840
you all increasing that figure there.

1565
02:22:20,100 --> 02:22:25,580
If I could read in the proposed technical changes into the record for your consideration,

1566
02:22:25,580 --> 02:22:40,120
In Exhibit A1, the second line, after each accounting year from, we would strike vendor supplier, producer located in the greater Coachella Valley area collectively, and then have local brands period.

1567
02:22:40,640 --> 02:22:52,120
Okay, so we're using the same definition from the contract and then in the strike vendors and then in the second paragraph, second line strike vendors replace it with brands.

1568
02:22:52,120 --> 02:23:03,160
So that, I think, are the technical changes to meet your goal, and then on Exhibit A2, it would just be replacing the 750 with 2500 in the two places that it exists.

1569
02:23:17,060 --> 02:23:19,080
The motion is second, and the motion carries.

1570
02:23:19,660 --> 02:23:20,480
Thank you very much.

1571
02:23:20,860 --> 02:23:21,240
Thank you.

1572
02:23:26,780 --> 02:23:29,320
If we're moving in public hearing, does need a break?

1573
02:23:29,900 --> 02:23:30,760
Okay, let's keep going.

1574
02:23:31,680 --> 02:23:34,060
Next item, thank you all, appreciate it.

1575
02:23:34,060 --> 02:23:57,060
Next item is item 2A, titled Conducted Public Hearing Under Section 53083 of the California Government Code to approve a hotel operations covenant between the City of Palm Springs and the WR Palm Mountain Resort pursuant to the City Municipal Code of the city's hotel operations incentive program.

1576
02:23:58,480 --> 02:23:59,540
You have the staff report.

1577
02:23:59,640 --> 02:24:00,320
Good evening, Mayor.

1578
02:24:00,500 --> 02:24:03,440
Mayor Pro Tem, members of the council and public.

1579
02:24:03,880 --> 02:24:05,020
My name is Dean Grubel.

1580
02:24:05,220 --> 02:24:08,240
I'm the Business District Administrator for the City of Palm Springs.

1581
02:24:08,900 --> 02:24:13,800
I'm here this evening to the item before you is involved and

1582
02:24:13,800 --> 02:24:26,840
open a public hearing pursuant to government code section 53083 to consider approval of the hotel operations covenant with WR Palm Mountain Resort LP for

1583
02:24:26,840 --> 02:24:32,160
or the 142-room property located at 155 South Ballardo Road,

1584
02:24:32,440 --> 02:24:35,240
if I can have slight two, whoops, thanks Brenda.

1585
02:24:41,330 --> 02:24:41,850
There we go.

1586
02:24:42,250 --> 02:24:44,790
The property owner completed a qualifying phase two

1587
02:24:44,790 --> 02:24:46,810
renovation last winter.

1588
02:24:47,390 --> 02:24:49,970
The improvements included a full interior renovation

1589
02:24:49,970 --> 02:24:52,770
of all guest rooms, new furnishings,

1590
02:24:52,890 --> 02:24:55,250
and installation of a new roof on one of their buildings.

1591
02:24:56,470 --> 02:24:59,170
These improvements methamanistful code requirement

1592
02:24:59,170 --> 02:25:03,450
of a minimum investment of $5,000 per room.

1593
02:25:05,630 --> 02:25:15,670
Under the city's hotel incentive program, the city would rebate 50% of the incremental transparency tax, RTOT, above the stipulated baseline.

1594
02:25:16,410 --> 02:25:28,890
The rebate would continue for up to 10 years, or until the eligible project cost of $6,469,870 in $24, have been reimbursed.

1595
02:25:28,890 --> 02:25:36,090
which ever occurs first, following in the period, the city will retain 100% of the properties TOT revenue.

1596
02:25:37,450 --> 02:25:46,130
The operator would also participate in the Committable Rooms program to do two rooms per night per month for city official use.

1597
02:25:47,530 --> 02:25:54,710
The Palm Island Resort and Spa, originally completed its initial 10 year participation in the program.

1598
02:25:57,670 --> 02:26:04,370
And so this can only began significant improvements throughout the property to qualify for consideration under a new application.

1599
02:26:05,910 --> 02:26:13,330
And thanks to Council Member Bernstein for pointing out, I just want to make a note of correction on the per key amount.

1600
02:26:13,810 --> 02:26:22,250
Instead of $52,000, that should read $45,562, 47 cents, that the invested per room of the hotel.

1601
02:26:23,050 --> 02:26:29,950
The staff recommends that the City Council open the public hearing, receive public testimony, and improve the hotel operations covenant.

1602
02:26:30,610 --> 02:26:33,390
I will be happy to answer any questions you might have.

1603
02:26:36,380 --> 02:26:36,600
Staff.

1604
02:26:37,160 --> 02:26:37,560
Good question.

1605
02:26:38,360 --> 02:26:41,940
Dean, what's the base on their TOT that you've calculated?

1606
02:26:43,080 --> 02:26:47,660
The base was 600, it

1607
02:26:50,930 --> 02:26:51,470
looked for you,

1608
02:26:56,800 --> 02:27:01,140
it was 600 and some thousand, I certainly will never wait in front of me.

1609
02:27:01,140 --> 02:27:04,080
I apologize for that.

1610
02:27:07,110 --> 02:27:08,170
690,000.

1611
02:27:08,530 --> 02:27:11,050
Is that in the staff report?

1612
02:27:11,630 --> 02:27:12,710
692,99.

1613
02:27:14,630 --> 02:27:23,060
I didn't see in the staff report, so I'm sorry it's 692,999 in 51 cents.

1614
02:27:23,660 --> 02:27:30,000
Okay, so they're going to receive their rebate on any increment over and above that for the next 10 years.

1615
02:27:30,120 --> 02:27:32,440
Just want to confirm that, okay, thank you.

1616
02:27:33,240 --> 02:27:34,120
Any other questions?

1617
02:27:34,480 --> 02:27:34,940
Comparison?

1618
02:27:35,160 --> 02:27:35,820
Just taken from.

1619
02:27:35,960 --> 02:27:39,060
This is under the old or the new incentive program, or doesn't it matter?

1620
02:27:39,160 --> 02:27:47,720
This is under the old code, a business full code, 5.6226, not the current one, which is 5.27.

1621
02:27:48,640 --> 02:27:56,440
However, if it did fall underneath 5.27, it will still fall under the tier one of the new code.

1622
02:27:56,440 --> 02:28:10,180
Okay, and so just to be clear, so if they, I mean, they're put in six million something into this to get their all their money back,

1623
02:28:11,140 --> 02:28:20,200
they'd basically need to triple their TOT for the ten years, so but either way they're going to improve it,

1624
02:28:21,220 --> 02:28:27,080
They get half of the increase, and the city still gets half of the increase as well as the base of what we always would have got.

1625
02:28:27,620 --> 02:28:27,780
Correct.

1626
02:28:27,960 --> 02:28:31,860
So it's a perfect win-win, so I'm glad that they invested in upgrading their property.

1627
02:28:32,480 --> 02:28:35,180
If you have a chance, please go by and take a look.

1628
02:28:36,840 --> 02:28:42,020
I presume, Dean, that they provide all the contract information.

1629
02:28:42,240 --> 02:28:44,720
It's in the file of their expenses, they're actually paid.

1630
02:28:45,160 --> 02:28:47,080
Yes, and it's all in file.

1631
02:28:47,080 --> 02:28:52,020
That's all right and we have these are the after pictures I presume you have that before pictures in the file as well.

1632
02:28:52,020 --> 02:28:52,280
Yes.

1633
02:28:52,540 --> 02:28:53,820
Okay, great, thank you.

1634
02:28:55,560 --> 02:28:59,220
I want to know why Dean doesn't get a lower third on this monitor.

1635
02:29:02,130 --> 02:29:06,170
His name up there that he doesn't get his name up on the screen.

1636
02:29:07,970 --> 02:29:08,670
That's okay.

1637
02:29:09,470 --> 02:29:10,090
Next time.

1638
02:29:10,410 --> 02:29:14,870
This is a public hearing so we do have to open up the public hearing for public comments.

1639
02:29:16,390 --> 02:29:18,390
Any other questions before we do that?

1640
02:29:18,930 --> 02:29:23,360
No. This time, I'd like to open up the public hearing.

1641
02:29:23,800 --> 02:29:26,800
The public is invited to speak on this matter for two minutes.

1642
02:29:30,060 --> 02:29:32,180
Madam Clerk, I have two.

1643
02:29:32,380 --> 02:29:34,660
I just want to confirm that this is for public hearing.

1644
02:29:35,180 --> 02:29:38,540
No, we don't have any speakers for to a listed

1645
02:29:40,550 --> 02:29:40,730
here.

1646
02:29:41,030 --> 02:29:43,130
Okay, so we'll get to hold it.

1647
02:29:44,270 --> 02:29:45,710
Any other additional questions,

1648
02:29:48,310 --> 02:29:48,670
items?

1649
02:29:48,670 --> 02:29:53,910
Nope, seeing that, I'd like to entertain a motion frozen

1650
02:29:57,690 --> 02:29:58,190
on me, too.

1651
02:30:04,850 --> 02:30:07,170
I think the Wi-Fi is further down.

1652
02:30:12,720 --> 02:30:14,560
We just do a voice vote.

1653
02:30:17,330 --> 02:30:17,790
Thank you.

1654
02:30:22,630 --> 02:30:26,350
I'll take a voice vote. Get a motion in a second. I'll make a motion.

1655
02:30:32,050 --> 02:30:46,910
Councilmember Garner? Yes. Councilmember DeHart? Yes. Councilmember Bernstein? Yes. Your votes, I'm ready? Yes. Mayor Soto. Yes. Motion carries. 5-0. Thank you. Thank you, Dean.

1656
02:30:49,550 --> 02:30:52,550
Next item on our agenda is item 3.

1657
02:30:52,550 --> 02:31:02,010
The FDA titled approval of a resolution of intention and a resolution preliminary approving the engineer's report for proposed.

1658
02:31:02,470 --> 02:31:07,310
Old Las Palmas Underground Utility Assessment District number one, can we have a staff report please, Joel?

1659
02:31:17,020 --> 02:31:26,980
Madam Mayor, members of the city council, Joel Montalvo, your city engineer, the following two items, three B, are essentially the same items.

1660
02:31:28,120 --> 02:31:33,620
So, the staff report before you is for the proposed old Las Palmas underground utility assessment

1661
02:31:33,620 --> 02:31:39,040
district number one to adopt two resolutions that will initiate formation of an assessment

1662
02:31:39,040 --> 02:31:45,120
district to finance underground and utilities and old Las Palmas under requirements of proposition

1663
02:31:45,120 --> 02:31:45,940
to 18.

1664
02:31:46,640 --> 02:31:52,640
Approved the assessment engineers report that describes the methodology of determining the proportionate

1665
02:31:52,640 --> 02:31:58,360
special benefit for each property within the proposed district and resulting share of project costs to be assessed.

1666
02:31:58,840 --> 02:32:06,160
And initiate the formal balloting process and set the time and date for a public hearing to open the tally and tell the ballots.

1667
02:32:06,800 --> 02:32:13,880
Residents of old us, bottomless contact to city as early as 2021, with interest in the neighborhood underground utility project.

1668
02:32:14,180 --> 02:32:19,820
Since then, the city council has adopted two ordinances that set the underground utility district guidelines and

1669
02:32:19,820 --> 02:32:24,800
said the public private responsibility in relation to the under grounding district formation.

1670
02:32:25,480 --> 02:32:35,300
The guidelines for assessment district formation and utility under grounding projects are carried out in five separate different phases.

1671
02:32:35,740 --> 02:32:40,760
The first phase is the exploratory phase with a neighborhood committee is formed and

1672
02:32:40,760 --> 02:32:43,420
data is collected and get preliminary cost estimates.

1673
02:32:43,420 --> 02:32:52,940
The second phase is the petition phase, this is a non-binding show of support for underground utilities and participating in the assessment district.

1674
02:32:53,400 --> 02:32:59,760
It must be supported by at least 60% of the proposed assessment area to advance to the next phase.

1675
02:33:00,040 --> 02:33:05,200
This step has already occurred and the community did get more than 60% approval.

1676
02:33:05,200 --> 02:33:13,120
The next step is the step that we're here today to get approved is the assessment district

1677
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:16,680
formation and formal balancing phase.

1678
02:33:17,840 --> 02:33:26,180
So in August 26th, today essentially we're trying to get the resolution to preliminary

1679
02:33:26,180 --> 02:33:30,680
approve the engineering report and approving the information of the district.

1680
02:33:31,540 --> 02:33:39,460
In so if approved today on October 28th, we'll have a public hearing to open the ballots and tabulate the results.

1681
02:33:39,860 --> 02:33:50,100
If the result is approved by majority, 50% plus one weighted by the assessment amount of the assessment district, the district is formed.

1682
02:33:51,320 --> 02:34:02,420
So future phases and next steps, once if the balloting is approved, then they will calculate the payment and assessment.

1683
02:34:03,160 --> 02:34:09,420
It'll be a 30 day cash payment, we'll give a 30 day period for a cash payment for the full assessment.

1684
02:34:09,760 --> 02:34:18,840
Or it actually can go into a financing through bonding, assessing of any of the unpaid portion against the property.

1685
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:33,100
So, the final step is actually going into construction, getting the public right away, in the fourth phase, you actually also start doing the design and jump ahead a little bit and the fifth phase will actually go into the construction of the system.

1686
02:34:33,660 --> 02:34:41,400
So, that sort of nutshell is what we're attempting to do today that concludes my report, happy to answer any questions.

1687
02:34:41,400 --> 02:34:47,600
We do have the assessment engineer here in V5, Jeff Cooper to answer questions as well.

1688
02:34:48,040 --> 02:34:49,820
So happy to answer any questions.

1689
02:34:52,600 --> 02:34:53,000
Thank you.

1690
02:34:53,980 --> 02:34:55,020
Any questions?

1691
02:34:56,400 --> 02:34:56,640
I'm sorry.

1692
02:34:57,020 --> 02:34:57,200
No?

1693
02:34:57,820 --> 02:35:00,080
Can we vote on both of these at the same time?

1694
02:35:00,680 --> 02:35:01,200
Do we have a resident?

1695
02:35:01,920 --> 02:35:02,440
I think so.

1696
02:35:02,560 --> 02:35:02,840
Individual?

1697
02:35:03,420 --> 02:35:06,500
I think you can do one public hearing for both of them.

1698
02:35:06,600 --> 02:35:09,480
I would recommend two separate motions for the two different resolution.

1699
02:35:09,740 --> 02:35:10,980
It's a business item.

1700
02:35:10,980 --> 02:35:14,120
Oh, then, yeah, you can do both the same time.

1701
02:35:14,420 --> 02:35:14,500
Great.

1702
02:35:20,300 --> 02:35:21,180
Mayor Pertene, I'm ready.

1703
02:35:22,360 --> 02:35:23,560
Council Member DeHart.

1704
02:35:24,220 --> 02:35:24,600
Yes.

1705
02:35:25,200 --> 02:35:26,160
Council Member Bernstein.

1706
02:35:26,480 --> 02:35:26,620
Yes.

1707
02:35:27,140 --> 02:35:27,960
Council Member Garner.

1708
02:35:28,300 --> 02:35:28,460
Yes.

1709
02:35:29,180 --> 02:35:29,940
Mayor Pertene.

1710
02:35:30,140 --> 02:35:30,740
Mayor Soto.

1711
02:35:31,320 --> 02:35:31,500
Yes.

1712
02:35:32,040 --> 02:35:32,840
Motion carries.

1713
02:35:33,060 --> 02:35:33,460
Five zero.

1714
02:35:33,920 --> 02:35:34,260
Thank you.

1715
02:35:35,660 --> 02:35:38,660
Madam Mayor, can I comment on-

1716
02:35:38,660 --> 02:35:39,040
Are we done?

1717
02:35:39,440 --> 02:35:40,260
Yeah, I just want to-

1718
02:35:40,260 --> 02:35:40,820
Joel, you're good.

1719
02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:45,220
I just, you know, there's sometimes, you know, people don't think

1720
02:35:45,220 --> 02:35:51,080
And change can come from an effort from a small group of invested citizens.

1721
02:35:51,680 --> 02:36:03,380
And Chuck Norseh is in the audience and applied the effort from the neighbors, the neighborhood and all of Chuck's work to shepherd this project.

1722
02:36:03,780 --> 02:36:10,580
And good job and good example of what can come in a community with a few people that are dedicated to the project.

1723
02:36:10,760 --> 02:36:11,800
So thank you so much.

1724
02:36:13,810 --> 02:36:23,050
Our next item on the agenda is item 3c, an adoption of an urgency moratorium ordinance to temporarily prohibit the acceptance processing or approval of data centers.

1725
02:36:23,730 --> 02:36:25,930
Hi, Chris, can we have a staff report, please?

1726
02:36:29,400 --> 02:36:32,020
Good evening, Mayor, Mayor Poetem, and members of Council.

1727
02:36:32,340 --> 02:36:42,020
I'm Chris Hadwin, your planning director, and I'm here to present to you item 3c, which is a draft urgency ordinance, which would establish moratorium on new data centers within the city.

1728
02:36:43,320 --> 02:36:55,580
The moratorium would allow staff and consultants' time to thoughtfully consider this rapidly evolving land use, evaluate their impacts, and develop appropriate regulation should the city want to consider them to locate here.

1729
02:36:57,540 --> 02:37:10,860
We've included a definition in the draft ordinance that would identify data centers as a structure or site used primarily for the storage, management processing, and transmission of digital data, and that houses computer or network equipment systems, servers,

1730
02:37:10,860 --> 02:37:15,580
First, appliances and other associated components related to digital data storage, processing

1731
02:37:15,580 --> 02:37:16,780
and related operations.

1732
02:37:17,460 --> 02:37:22,660
Data center uses include data storage facilities, small data storage facilities, server farms,

1733
02:37:22,800 --> 02:37:27,400
artificial intelligence training or processing, image processing, cloud computing, email

1734
02:37:27,400 --> 02:37:30,840
servicing, and other similar uses and appartinent facilities.

1735
02:37:31,640 --> 02:37:35,080
I know we've had some questions from a few of you and certainly some comments tonight

1736
02:37:35,080 --> 02:37:39,660
whether this definition is too broad and whether it may capture some unintended uses such

1737
02:37:39,660 --> 02:37:44,940
just servers and hospitals or telecommunications, for example, we've developed with the city

1738
02:37:44,940 --> 02:37:48,300
attorney some additional language that we can offer to council to consider when we get

1739
02:37:48,300 --> 02:37:52,340
to comments and questions, which we think would address that concerns, we can come back

1740
02:37:52,340 --> 02:37:57,880
to that later on. While this definition is consistent with other such ordinances throughout

1741
02:37:57,880 --> 02:38:03,860
California and nationally, again, we've come up with other language that we think can address

1742
02:38:03,860 --> 02:38:07,460
concerns that have been raised here tonight. Of course, data centers are increasingly

1743
02:38:07,460 --> 02:38:18,600
Secondly, the focus of a national debate about the role in our communities, many argue that they play a vital role in the advancement of technology and remote work, and others, including many here tonight, have raised concerns about their potential impacts.

1744
02:38:19,340 --> 02:38:25,480
As the municipal code and zoning code are currently sort of silent on these uses, do not define them and do not establish regulations.

1745
02:38:25,980 --> 02:38:30,380
There is ambiguity as to whether and how they are permitted, which is why we are bringing this forward to you tonight.

1746
02:38:31,280 --> 02:38:32,400
Next slide, please, thank you.

1747
02:38:32,400 --> 02:38:36,760
In terms of some of the concerns being raised, we've categorized them into three broad categories

1748
02:38:36,760 --> 02:38:37,180
here.

1749
02:38:37,500 --> 02:38:42,640
Environmental concerns, of course, are well documented and relate largely to heavy demands

1750
02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:45,820
on water and electricity needed to cool and power many of these facilities.

1751
02:38:46,820 --> 02:38:51,340
For us, especially, I think, in Palm Springs, we have questions about their impact on our

1752
02:38:51,340 --> 02:38:54,100
ability to diversify our employment uses in industry.

1753
02:38:54,480 --> 02:38:59,400
We have a very limited land base here on which we can develop large-scale employment uses,

1754
02:38:59,840 --> 02:39:06,180
and many data centers consume vast amounts of land with very few permanent jobs so that's something we would like to work through and better understand.

1755
02:39:07,040 --> 02:39:12,740
Finally, there are questions about their fiscal, sorry, their impact on local infrastructure and services, such as fire and police,

1756
02:39:13,160 --> 02:39:17,520
with potentially very little tax revenue being generated by them, so that's something else we'd like to better understand.

1757
02:39:18,800 --> 02:39:23,160
As I mentioned, these are issues that weren't further investigation and consideration, next slide.

1758
02:39:24,800 --> 02:39:28,580
As I mentioned, we're not alone in raising these concerns and taking steps to pause while

1759
02:39:28,580 --> 02:39:29,960
we work through understanding them better.

1760
02:39:30,120 --> 02:39:34,680
You can see here that India, Coachella, and Desert Hot Springs have all taken steps to

1761
02:39:34,680 --> 02:39:39,860
limit data centers in some regard, so we would be joining other Valley cities if you all decide

1762
02:39:39,860 --> 02:39:40,960
to move forward with this tonight.

1763
02:39:41,760 --> 02:39:42,620
Next slide, thank you.

1764
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:48,040
Touching on the process, state law does allow you to adopt an interim or urgency ordinance

1765
02:39:48,040 --> 02:39:51,460
to prohibit land uses where we are studying or intend to study such uses.

1766
02:39:51,920 --> 02:39:56,040
We are, of course, in the midst of an update to our zoning code, and believe that that

1767
02:39:56,040 --> 02:39:59,480
is the appropriate forum to study these issues further with the assistance of our zoning

1768
02:39:59,480 --> 02:40:03,700
consultants, and so that we can also engage with the community to hear how and if they would

1769
02:40:03,700 --> 02:40:05,000
like to regulate these uses.

1770
02:40:06,180 --> 02:40:10,200
Procedurally, the initial ordinance can be adopted by a four-fifth's majority for an initial

1771
02:40:10,200 --> 02:40:15,500
period of 45 days, that's what's before you tonight, you may then act to consider extending

1772
02:40:15,500 --> 02:40:19,040
the ordinance so that it would total a period of one or two years at your discretion.

1773
02:40:19,580 --> 02:40:24,780
Should Council adopt the ordinance tonight, we would return, and if you want it, we would

1774
02:40:24,780 --> 02:40:28,140
return at a meeting next month for consideration of such an extension.

1775
02:40:29,280 --> 02:40:33,700
In closing, staff are recommending that Council find that the uncertainty surrounding the

1776
02:40:33,700 --> 02:40:38,240
impacts of data centers and lack of regulations to mitigate those impacts pose a current or

1777
02:40:38,240 --> 02:40:42,920
immediate threat to public health, safety, or welfare, and adopt an urgency ordinance establishing

1778
02:40:42,920 --> 02:40:47,100
a moratorium on entitlements for those uses for an initial period of 45 days, and that is

1779
02:40:47,100 --> 02:40:49,400
language that comes from state law, that's the finding that you need to make.

1780
02:40:50,100 --> 02:40:53,020
That concludes my presentation and I am available for questions.

1781
02:40:56,170 --> 02:40:57,090
Thank you so much, Chris.

1782
02:40:59,190 --> 02:41:01,490
Thank you to staff for kind of putting this together.

1783
02:41:02,450 --> 02:41:08,930
This is a topic that's getting a lot of attention in our community nationwide.

1784
02:41:10,150 --> 02:41:12,950
It's everywhere, it's every podcast it seems like.

1785
02:41:13,970 --> 02:41:28,110
And, you know, I appreciate Councilmember Gardner suggesting that we consider a moratorium as well and making sure that this is something that aligns with Palm Springs values and our economic development goals.

1786
02:41:29,150 --> 02:41:41,930
This is, I also really appreciate the flagging of how this impacts our zoning analysis that we're undergoing, which I think is a little bit unique compared to other cities in the valley.

1787
02:41:43,230 --> 02:41:52,670
where we have an opportunity, we have a process in which we can rigorously discuss this as a community,

1788
02:41:53,170 --> 02:41:58,070
to say we want this, we don't want this, we don't want this ever, we want this maybe small here.

1789
02:41:58,330 --> 02:42:01,870
You know, those are the discussions that I think are so important to have as a community,

1790
02:42:02,610 --> 02:42:08,230
because this does have a significant impact on our environment,

1791
02:42:08,230 --> 02:42:12,630
But, you know, just the fabric of what our community could look like.

1792
02:42:13,590 --> 02:42:19,770
So I just kind of want to flag specifically to community members, you know, every city

1793
02:42:19,770 --> 02:42:23,690
is kind of trying to figure out what time frame kind of makes sense.

1794
02:42:24,610 --> 02:42:31,090
At least for me personally, I would be in support of over two years, so that way it gives us

1795
02:42:31,090 --> 02:42:36,490
that time frame, especially in our zoning code discussions, to have all the discussions that

1796
02:42:36,490 --> 02:42:41,190
we need to have. And so we are going to make sure we can do that as thoroughly as possible

1797
02:42:41,190 --> 02:42:46,170
would be my recommendation. So I'm in favor of the moratorium as presented for the urgency

1798
02:42:46,170 --> 02:42:50,510
for 45 days and we hope we can come back for two years. I'd open up to my colleagues.

1799
02:42:50,690 --> 02:42:54,270
Council Member Garner. Thank you so much for your work on this, Chris.

1800
02:42:54,870 --> 02:42:59,490
And can you just clarify my understanding that you will be addressing this in the zoning code

1801
02:42:59,490 --> 02:43:00,070
update?

1802
02:43:00,690 --> 02:43:03,970
Yeah, it was certainly something that we are already looking at and our zoning team was looking

1803
02:43:04,670 --> 02:43:12,570
throughout the state and nationally, you know, I saw no less than four articles on this just today alone, you know, this is really becoming quite a national conversation.

1804
02:43:13,010 --> 02:43:21,610
So it's rapidly evolving. I heard some of the comments tonight saying, do we want to limit large ones, small ones, and I think that's the work we need to work through with the zoning team.

1805
02:43:21,970 --> 02:43:30,370
If we were to consider these where, how, how big, you know, what are the energy needs? What are the water needs? Do we want to restrict those that have high water usage?

1806
02:43:30,370 --> 02:43:36,730
So I think those are all questions that we need to answer and that our code team was already looking at and I think hearing some of the comments tonight

1807
02:43:36,730 --> 02:43:41,330
I do think it's something that we should engage with the community on it our next round of open houses on the zoning code

1808
02:43:41,330 --> 02:43:46,370
Thank you, and so can you just explain a little bit for the zoning code?

1809
02:43:46,610 --> 02:43:50,590
Where are we in that process and what are you anticipating for completion?

1810
02:43:50,890 --> 02:44:00,170
Yeah, so as you all recall we had some very good engagement the community in the spring particularly around heightened density issues or

1811
02:44:00,170 --> 02:44:04,410
Our code team has been looking back and looking at how we can modify some of the zoning maps

1812
02:44:04,930 --> 02:44:07,990
that we have prepared to look at how we can better refine that and address some of the

1813
02:44:07,990 --> 02:44:11,630
concerns that were raised through that engagement at the same time.

1814
02:44:12,370 --> 02:44:16,010
They've been working on writing the actual rules themselves because I think in the next round

1815
02:44:16,010 --> 02:44:19,770
of outreach it's important to talk not just about heightened density and where we might allow

1816
02:44:19,770 --> 02:44:24,710
it, but how it might actually work and how we can actually provide good transitions to our

1817
02:44:24,710 --> 02:44:25,930
low density neighborhoods.

1818
02:44:26,190 --> 02:44:30,050
So I think that conversation needs to happen together probably at some point later this

1819
02:44:30,050 --> 02:44:39,190
So we'd be looking to engage with the community again this fall, but it's not something that would be before the planning commission or the city council for vote before probably spring of next year.

1820
02:44:39,830 --> 02:44:41,570
Okay, thank you. That's helpful.

1821
02:44:42,870 --> 02:44:45,890
I appreciate this coming back. This is something I asked for.

1822
02:44:47,410 --> 02:44:50,430
It was grateful for my colleagues' support to bring it.

1823
02:44:50,430 --> 02:44:59,810
But you know, there's so many different technological advances and it's really important that we are cautious.

1824
02:45:00,020 --> 02:45:29,520
And thoughtful in our planning for all of these. And as we've seen in other communities across the country who have not had that happen, there are really huge detriments. And we don't need that to happen here in our community. We're fortunate that that didn't happen, or that there were not just impulsions, but anywhere nearby. And we, and I really think it's important that we're really having these conversations.

1825
02:45:29,520 --> 02:45:32,980
that you said, like you said, we're having conversations with the community, making sure

1826
02:45:32,980 --> 02:45:39,240
that we understand the needs of everyone, understand the needs of the hospital, you know, understand

1827
02:45:39,240 --> 02:45:48,080
the needs of existing facilities that might have quite a lot of computing equipment.

1828
02:45:48,480 --> 02:45:55,640
But again, what you're looking at here is massive, large-scale, which is far and beyond

1829
02:45:55,640 --> 02:45:58,120
what the desert hospital has, right?

1830
02:45:58,960 --> 02:46:05,760
So can you talk a little bit more about the definition that you're looking at for data centers you mentioned that it earlier?

1831
02:46:06,400 --> 02:46:13,860
Yeah, so if we could maybe go back to the second slide in the presentation control room just so we can throw the original definition back up on the screen right

1832
02:46:17,280 --> 02:46:17,500
there.

1833
02:46:18,760 --> 02:46:21,440
So you know, go back one right there.

1834
02:46:22,900 --> 02:46:48,420
So there it says data centers and we have the definition there, what we had worked on adding I think to address some of the concerns that we might have heard is a clause that would follow that which would say this definition does not include computer, server or telecommunications equipment that is secondary and customarily incidental to an otherwise permitted principle use on the property such as servers or IT equipment serving a hospital office hotel or other business located on the same site.

1835
02:46:48,420 --> 02:46:53,140
So we think, again, we're focused on sort of the stand-alone data center, the large-scale

1836
02:46:53,140 --> 02:46:57,420
data centers that are really just being used to house AI or, you know, the other kinds

1837
02:46:57,420 --> 02:47:02,400
of things that are in the definition, not a data server for the hospital, for example.

1838
02:47:02,500 --> 02:47:05,620
So we think that adding that clause would add clarity to that.

1839
02:47:05,860 --> 02:47:06,300
Thank you.

1840
02:47:06,380 --> 02:47:08,940
And just for the public, the difference is vast.

1841
02:47:10,080 --> 02:47:17,220
My father used to work in IT at Desert Regional and the server room was not even close to as

1842
02:47:17,220 --> 02:47:17,880
big as this room.

1843
02:47:17,880 --> 02:47:24,360
and that was for the entire hospital, so it's very, very different sites.

1844
02:47:25,080 --> 02:47:34,280
Yeah, I'm very supportive of this, and I look forward to having good discussions, continue to have good discussions on it during our zoning code meetings,

1845
02:47:34,940 --> 02:47:44,520
and I'd be happy to do the two years well just to make sure that we're not running into any issues by limiting our time.

1846
02:47:45,140 --> 02:47:47,160
And maybe just to add some clarity on that.

1847
02:47:47,360 --> 02:47:51,040
So if you were to extend this to two years when we come back with it.

1848
02:47:51,620 --> 02:47:55,680
And of course, the goal is for the zoning code to be adopted well before then.

1849
02:47:56,060 --> 02:47:59,840
You could rescind the urgency ordinance or the moratorium at that time and

1850
02:47:59,840 --> 02:48:02,400
let the new zoning code take effect depending on where it lands.

1851
02:48:02,800 --> 02:48:03,120
Perfect.

1852
02:48:03,740 --> 02:48:04,220
Thank you.

1853
02:48:04,840 --> 02:48:05,960
Yes, customer emergency.

1854
02:48:07,040 --> 02:48:07,900
Thank you Madam Mayor.

1855
02:48:08,200 --> 02:48:14,200
So yeah, and I just want to be very clear while I'm coming from, I don't think there's any uncertainty that we need to move forward with.

1856
02:48:14,200 --> 02:48:17,160
and should move forward with approving this moratorium.

1857
02:48:18,960 --> 02:48:24,720
But it also doesn't mean that we're anti-technology or closing the door in innovation in Palm Springs.

1858
02:48:25,520 --> 02:48:30,500
It's just that the rate of change, as we said, is moving faster than we've ever seen.

1859
02:48:31,340 --> 02:48:36,420
And technology is so powerful and this is why how we govern actually matters.

1860
02:48:37,900 --> 02:48:43,000
And we heard this morning, in the news, we had public comment today about what happens when

1861
02:48:43,000 --> 02:48:51,660
And things get ahead of us, we meta is now being settled for $17 billion because they

1862
02:48:51,660 --> 02:48:54,960
designed Facebook and Instagram to be addictive.

1863
02:48:55,620 --> 02:49:01,220
And we know data centers are some of the physical infrastructure behind this type of technology,

1864
02:49:01,960 --> 02:49:04,400
as well as other uses like hospitals and things.

1865
02:49:05,100 --> 02:49:10,040
And Bill Gates has come out and talked about the who is a big technology person and continues

1866
02:49:10,040 --> 02:49:14,440
is to invest in it, that we have no coordinated plan to deal with what's happening.

1867
02:49:16,060 --> 02:49:21,740
And much of this needs to come with a state and federal, but a lot of it needs to come from local cities like Palm Springs.

1868
02:49:22,280 --> 02:49:31,040
So, you mentioned that because it's not specifically permitted, that it's not prohibited, right?

1869
02:49:32,380 --> 02:49:34,960
That it is prohibited, because it's not specifically permitted.

1870
02:49:34,960 --> 02:49:44,460
So I mean, and I think the point we're trying to make is it's a bit ambiguous because sometimes they come in and they say well, we're just a warehouse and you know, is there an argument there could be a legal challenge there?

1871
02:49:45,640 --> 02:49:51,040
We would take the position with the city attorney's office that they're not permitted but others may make an argument different.

1872
02:49:51,360 --> 02:49:59,240
There are also processes under our code today where they can go to the planning commission and seek approval of what's called a determination of similar land use.

1873
02:49:59,500 --> 02:50:01,400
So this would just give everyone a little more certainty.

1874
02:50:01,400 --> 02:50:08,680
So, I mean, I agree, we have zero definitions, we have zero standards, and so we have zero leverage if somebody changes something.

1875
02:50:09,020 --> 02:50:14,280
So, you know, and we don't even know what's really around the corner with a lot of this stuff.

1876
02:50:14,460 --> 02:50:15,960
And so we need to keep on top of it.

1877
02:50:16,060 --> 02:50:19,580
And so I want to raise something with my colleagues that I've brought up before.

1878
02:50:20,080 --> 02:50:22,040
As you mentioned, different cities are doing different things.

1879
02:50:22,500 --> 02:50:28,440
And to me, I think we really need to keep looking at this as a regional approach.

1880
02:50:28,440 --> 02:50:58,420
because these real environmental dangers, I mean, we can say no, but we're surrounded by unincorporated land, by other cities, and we can't control what everybody does, but we can still have the conversations with CVEG, Coachella Valley Association of Governments, and the County and Southern California Association, and Greater Palm Springs Economic Development, and we also have experts who have heard today from fellow Pages who is expert in

1881
02:50:58,420 --> 02:51:06,020
AI and technology and we can lean on people in our city to help advise us so that when we are

1882
02:51:06,020 --> 02:51:11,780
defining a data center, when we are going to the zoning code that they can help us. And I think

1883
02:51:11,780 --> 02:51:20,700
a lot of them want to. We had a letter today from Oswit who are just to incorporate, to move forward

1884
02:51:20,700 --> 02:51:24,620
with the moratorium, but one of their board members and a lot of their members are tech people.

1885
02:51:24,620 --> 02:51:42,060
And so we'll get really good information from them and I think if we collaborate with others in our region it can be a lot stronger and we can share knowledge so that you're not trying to figure out everything out on your own and so I think we have to move forward this.

1886
02:51:42,760 --> 02:51:44,720
I do have one question though for your Chris.

1887
02:51:46,240 --> 02:51:48,240
There's very little jobs that are created.

1888
02:51:48,600 --> 02:51:50,200
He said there's some tax revenue.

1889
02:51:51,040 --> 02:51:53,620
There's a lot of potential dangers.

1890
02:51:54,140 --> 02:51:56,040
Why do cities want these?

1891
02:51:58,410 --> 02:51:59,510
I mean, that's a great question.

1892
02:51:59,650 --> 02:52:01,690
I mean, I think that they do generate property tax.

1893
02:52:01,830 --> 02:52:03,490
They do generate a lot of impact fees.

1894
02:52:03,910 --> 02:52:06,550
So they are generating some revenue for municipalities.

1895
02:52:07,110 --> 02:52:11,670
And I think that there is excitement around what other types

1896
02:52:11,670 --> 02:52:13,350
of uses they may attract to municipality.

1897
02:52:14,010 --> 02:52:17,390
Does it sort of bring in other tech uses that may want to sort of piggyback off of it?

1898
02:52:17,570 --> 02:52:21,790
So, I think that's one of the questions we need to dive deeper into, but I think it's

1899
02:52:21,790 --> 02:52:26,430
probably some amount of tax revenue for a lot of cities, as well as kind of excitement

1900
02:52:26,430 --> 02:52:29,410
about what it might mean in terms of moving into the tech field.

1901
02:52:30,030 --> 02:52:30,210
Okay.

1902
02:52:30,430 --> 02:52:34,030
Well, I think, again, part of the conversation with the other west of the valley, the important

1903
02:52:34,030 --> 02:52:39,210
to understand what everything that's going on as much as we can, and we can rely on our

1904
02:52:39,210 --> 02:52:39,430
neighbors.

1905
02:52:39,830 --> 02:52:40,130
Absolutely.

1906
02:52:41,010 --> 02:52:41,450
Thank you.

1907
02:52:42,930 --> 02:52:49,290
Thank you, Chris. Well, question. Thank you for the definition, modification, that's important.

1908
02:52:49,750 --> 02:52:58,370
I just want to make clear, you didn't mention, I want to make sure College of the Desert, the new campus, isn't going to be caught in something we mentioned in the hospital.

1909
02:52:58,690 --> 02:53:04,090
I don't know if we need to call that out specifically, or you comfort level that it would not affect the college.

1910
02:53:04,090 --> 02:53:13,910
I don't think we do because one, I think they would be captured under this definition, and two, because our zoning code doesn't apply to college of the desert, so they operate under state regulation.

1911
02:53:14,150 --> 02:53:16,710
So we're good there. Okay, thank you, just wanted to clarify. Thank you.

1912
02:53:19,350 --> 02:53:20,350
On December and the heart.

1913
02:53:20,350 --> 02:53:39,850
Yeah, Chris, so we had a public comment on the words and in section two, we say issue approved, but the staff report is recommending the moratorium on acceptance processing our approval.

1914
02:53:39,850 --> 02:53:50,990
If I could weigh in on that, state law allows us to adopt a moratorium that stops the issuance of approvals, but

1915
02:53:50,990 --> 02:53:54,430
state law does not allow us to stop processing applications.

1916
02:53:54,710 --> 02:54:00,190
So if somebody wanted to submit an application, state law would require us to process that, but

1917
02:54:00,190 --> 02:54:06,450
this moratorium ordinance would allow us to not approve it if it completed that application.

1918
02:54:06,450 --> 02:54:10,850
So, that's a fair point for clarification, so I just want to make it clear.

1919
02:54:11,390 --> 02:54:23,950
Okay, and then the other one that was brought forward was, you know, what are we defining is the current and immediate threat, if we don't even have an applicant knocking on our door?

1920
02:54:24,650 --> 02:54:26,550
What's the public health safety?

1921
02:54:26,550 --> 02:54:46,430
I would go, if I could, I would go back to what Mr. Hadwin said in terms of the ambiguity in our ordinance and the possibility that somebody could come in and apply and essentially argue that no discretionary review is required and therefore a building permit is all that's required.

1922
02:54:46,870 --> 02:54:52,370
That in my opinion provides sufficient facts for the council to make that finding of urgency.

1923
02:54:52,370 --> 02:54:57,630
Yeah. Thank you. We have comments later, right?

1924
02:55:00,870 --> 02:55:07,910
I want the public to be very clear. I support the moratorium.

1925
02:55:10,150 --> 02:55:21,830
It's a wise step for us to take, and it's going to give us time to really study, bring experts to the table, and answer these questions that

1926
02:55:21,830 --> 02:55:30,510
that are all over the board, you know, the statements that are being made and the hoars that come with data centers.

1927
02:55:31,010 --> 02:55:37,770
So I think it would help us teach the community, the rent local residents, it would help me learn, I asked to learn.

1928
02:55:38,430 --> 02:55:47,090
But council very specifically at our June 24th meeting did not ask for a draft urgency ordinance to come back.

1929
02:55:47,090 --> 02:55:52,110
And I want to make it very, very clear, we did not ask for this.

1930
02:55:52,410 --> 02:55:57,570
We asked for a study to schedule a discussion on the topic.

1931
02:55:58,350 --> 02:56:03,450
And I get it, the city manager has discretion to bring something forward and he did.

1932
02:56:04,190 --> 02:56:09,990
But we asked to have a discussion so we could learn more.

1933
02:56:10,950 --> 02:56:18,190
But we did not ask for or authorize an urgency ordinance to come forward.

1934
02:56:18,530 --> 02:56:23,270
So I just want to set that clear for the public who was listening to our meeting on June 24.

1935
02:56:24,070 --> 02:56:35,970
That even though council said one thing, the staff had authority to bring this draft ordinance forward for us to consider tonight.

1936
02:56:35,970 --> 02:56:43,730
And at the end of the day, I think we're hearing wide support for a moratorium.

1937
02:56:44,070 --> 02:56:52,710
It's just process and procedure that I'm pointing out that I'd like to make sure that we adhere to down the road.

1938
02:56:54,730 --> 02:56:57,370
Any other comments? Yes, Council Member Garner.

1939
02:56:57,830 --> 02:57:00,290
Thank you. I had a couple things I forgot to mention.

1940
02:57:02,810 --> 02:57:05,610
So one thing I did ask for a draft.

1941
02:57:06,130 --> 02:57:10,310
I don't, I think it was a long meeting, so I think there was absolutely, you're right,

1942
02:57:10,450 --> 02:57:15,410
no, I'm not done, that there was some confusion at the end of the meeting on what the Council

1943
02:57:15,410 --> 02:57:20,810
as a group agreed to do, so I'm with you there, we have to be clear on making sure we have

1944
02:57:20,810 --> 02:57:26,290
those three, but I did ask for a draft ordinance there, at the top of that section, that was

1945
02:57:26,290 --> 02:57:35,590
my original ask, but we should be very clear on process in all of our meetings and do

1946
02:57:35,590 --> 02:57:42,270
Okay, so I wanted to just mention again the zoning code process here because we did get some calls for people to

1947
02:57:42,270 --> 02:57:52,050
it said, you know, to ban this. What I think the nice timing here is that we are doing this big zoning code

1948
02:57:52,050 --> 02:57:58,030
update and it covers so many things and by making sure that we're addressing this within our zoning code,

1949
02:57:58,150 --> 02:58:04,470
I think it really makes it very clear. It's not as standalone ordinance, it's combined with our zoning

1950
02:58:04,470 --> 02:58:09,190
code, it's in this thoughtful process, and I think that sends a very clear message.

1951
02:58:09,670 --> 02:58:14,530
And however that decision ends up, I don't want to speak for my colleagues, but I think

1952
02:58:14,530 --> 02:58:17,830
it's the appropriate method and it's the timing lines up.

1953
02:58:19,270 --> 02:58:25,200
The other thing that I wanted to mention in this is that I know city manager that you're

1954
02:58:25,200 --> 02:58:33,960
working on a city-wide AI policy, and I just wanted to flag that, that's been raised

1955
02:58:33,960 --> 02:58:39,000
at one of our other meetings, and I look forward to that because I think, again, when we're

1956
02:58:39,000 --> 02:58:44,400
talking about data centers, we're also talking about AI, and it is the Wild West out there,

1957
02:58:44,500 --> 02:58:49,020
which is why there's all this uncertainty about can someone bring a data center, can they

1958
02:58:49,020 --> 02:58:54,420
not? And we need to be able to have, having regulations, and that includes regulations

1959
02:58:54,420 --> 02:58:59,260
within our own city and how we use AI and what are,

1960
02:58:59,480 --> 02:59:03,520
and if we're using it, being clear on how and when, et cetera.

1961
02:59:05,220 --> 02:59:07,480
And I think that's something that we're, I hope,

1962
02:59:07,480 --> 02:59:10,140
that we'll see kind of a state level, federal level,

1963
02:59:10,200 --> 02:59:14,360
that we're really digging in on the use of this type of technology.

1964
02:59:15,300 --> 02:59:18,880
So thank you for bringing this, agree?

1965
02:59:19,260 --> 02:59:21,280
We need to stick to our policies,

1966
02:59:22,160 --> 02:59:27,300
And I'm excited to vote for this, Council Member Bernstein.

1967
02:59:27,940 --> 02:59:45,240
Just a couple of comments, so I agree with Council Member Garner on the policy issue, and I actually did raise this earlier because it's part of the Microsoft deal that it includes AI software with our things that we're buying for the staff.

1968
02:59:45,240 --> 02:59:53,420
And so I think Mr. City Manager, we are actually working on that at least in some set for some areas, is that right?

1969
02:59:56,060 --> 02:59:59,060
That's right Councilman and a lot of cities around

1970
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:29,860
So the country and California here are trying to come up with policies, also just to govern how we operate as staff, how you as council members operate, how we interact with the community, how our programs work. I mean, there's just a myriad of issues that we're not even thinking about right now, but we're trying to look at some other cities, look at some best practices of what's been done in some places. And we anticipate bringing

1971
03:00:29,860 --> 03:00:37,320
in that AI policy back to you pretty shortly here, something that we can dig into, look at, and consider.

1972
03:00:37,700 --> 03:00:44,420
So, one suggestion I would make, when Council Member DeHeart and I developed the Economic Development Strategic Plan,

1973
03:00:44,800 --> 03:00:50,360
and when Mayor Soto and I are now working on the implementation, one of the things that we have recognized is that

1974
03:00:50,360 --> 03:00:54,300
we have a tremendous amount of talent and experience here that want to help.

1975
03:00:54,300 --> 03:01:12,500
And I would look into tapping into that, they are offering free advice and they care about our community as much as we do and so we know a lot of them and I think they're available to help if we just want to tap into it.

1976
03:01:12,840 --> 03:01:18,600
One question for Chris, what is your timeline now for when we think the zoning code will be completed?

1977
03:01:19,340 --> 03:01:25,820
I would like to say first quarter of next year, but I think it's just going to depend on how they outreach this fall in early next year.

1978
03:01:26,020 --> 03:01:37,160
So whatever we're doing in the data center and the zoning code would be incorporated to that, which would be within a year of now.

1979
03:01:37,400 --> 03:01:39,860
Certainly, yes, okay, all right, well, I think that's it.

1980
03:01:39,860 --> 03:01:44,800
I say certainly, but these public processes sometimes drag out, but the goal is certainly the first half of next year.

1981
03:01:45,100 --> 03:01:46,680
Okay, all right, thank you.

1982
03:01:46,680 --> 03:01:51,120
And Madam Mayor, I think what City Manager said he's working on it, AI policy.

1983
03:01:51,640 --> 03:02:00,820
So we can assume and comfortably know that we won't be up here as council members talking to Avatar City Manager and staff anytime soon.

1984
03:02:02,100 --> 03:02:04,500
Never know, I hope not, I think that's good.

1985
03:02:04,500 --> 03:02:07,220
I checked into a hotel with an Avatar, it was a nightmare.

1986
03:02:08,220 --> 03:02:16,580
Okay, we were looking at things also like permitting and help speed up things and help the public, but we don't want to use the human.

1987
03:02:16,580 --> 03:02:20,460
and oversight. Council member to heart.

1988
03:02:21,240 --> 03:02:30,820
You know, it's really tiring when the impression is given when I speak in these chambers that

1989
03:02:30,820 --> 03:02:32,900
I'm misrepresenting facts.

1990
03:02:35,000 --> 03:02:40,980
I did not speak to misrepresent facts. I shared with you factual

1991
03:02:40,980 --> 03:02:48,880
information. Every single one of us, except Council Member, or Mayor Pro Tem, said specifically,

1992
03:02:49,280 --> 03:02:55,740
the mayor specifically said, I want a discussion. Council Member Bernstein said, I want a discussion.

1993
03:02:56,400 --> 03:03:01,820
I was very clear when I said, I want a discussion. I want to learn more.

1994
03:03:02,800 --> 03:03:09,620
Councilmember Garner's last comments, her last words that she spoke, I see I don't have

1995
03:03:09,620 --> 03:03:15,360
support from my council, and if I all I get is a discussion, I will support that.

1996
03:03:16,480 --> 03:03:26,040
So I'm speaking facts, I'm sharing facts with the residents and my constituents, and it's

1997
03:03:26,040 --> 03:03:31,540
It's just tiring when those facts come across as being questioned.

1998
03:03:32,060 --> 03:03:33,360
And everybody has a right to question.

1999
03:03:34,340 --> 03:03:43,240
But when the counteroff, counterstatement is being made that is incorrect, that's when I have an issue.

2000
03:03:45,610 --> 03:03:49,270
And I'm happy to support the motion and vote.

2001
03:03:50,210 --> 03:03:51,010
Council member.

2002
03:03:52,450 --> 03:03:54,550
We're going to go all night long with this.

2003
03:03:54,550 --> 03:03:59,910
No, I think it's important that we have these discussions.

2004
03:04:00,470 --> 03:04:08,870
I also think it's important that we are making sure that we are not misconstruing things,

2005
03:04:08,870 --> 03:04:13,130
which is why I said I agree that we have to be careful with our processes.

2006
03:04:13,730 --> 03:04:15,790
But I also didn't want it to get lost.

2007
03:04:16,270 --> 03:04:22,230
That the very first thing that I had asked for was it a data center moratorium ordinance draft?

2008
03:04:22,230 --> 03:04:26,250
So I'm just providing clarity, that's all.

2009
03:04:28,070 --> 03:04:33,230
So that's what was occurring just now, and again, I agree with you that especially when

2010
03:04:33,230 --> 03:04:37,170
our meetings are very long like that one was, that we need to make sure that we follow

2011
03:04:37,170 --> 03:04:37,810
our processes.

2012
03:04:38,490 --> 03:04:43,190
And I do not disagree with that, and I do not disagree with how that ended up at the end,

2013
03:04:43,630 --> 03:04:50,030
but just to clarify that that's why it was confusing for staff as well, because that was the

2014
03:04:50,030 --> 03:04:51,390
very first thing that I did ask for.

2015
03:04:51,390 --> 03:04:54,030
So that's it, but happy to vote on this.

2016
03:04:54,250 --> 03:04:55,470
I actually have a couple questions.

2017
03:04:56,210 --> 03:05:05,790
City Attorney, just to underscore again, do you have any discomfort for how this item has been presented tonight based off of the direction in June?

2018
03:05:06,450 --> 03:05:07,310
No, I don't.

2019
03:05:07,670 --> 03:05:08,130
Thank you.

2020
03:05:09,670 --> 03:05:14,770
City manager, do you have any discomfort with how this item was presented based off of our discussion in June?

2021
03:05:15,750 --> 03:05:16,790
No, no.

2022
03:05:17,410 --> 03:05:17,870
Thank you.

2023
03:05:18,930 --> 03:05:21,630
And you shouldn't because he's the one who brought it forward.

2024
03:05:22,210 --> 03:05:24,910
So like I said, this can go all night long.

2025
03:05:25,590 --> 03:05:29,190
I don't want the public to think that this is a wishy washi council.

2026
03:05:30,070 --> 03:05:34,610
We've been working very hard to be very clear in our direction.

2027
03:05:35,370 --> 03:05:37,730
So staff understands where we're at.

2028
03:05:38,490 --> 03:05:41,330
And the transcripts are very, very clear.

2029
03:05:42,250 --> 03:05:51,210
Councilmember Garner asked for a moratorium. She said she would settle for a discussion because she wasn't getting support from counsel.

2030
03:05:51,950 --> 03:05:58,710
I'm talking process. At the end of the day, we're where all of us want to be and that's to have a moratorium.

2031
03:05:59,510 --> 03:06:07,590
I spoke on process and we're not wishy-washy. We made sure it was very clear at the end of that meeting.

2032
03:06:07,590 --> 03:06:15,830
So, and I hope we continue to be very, very clear, so staff understands the direction.

2033
03:06:16,350 --> 03:06:21,970
Anybody can look at the transcript and see the direction that Council gave was very clear.

2034
03:06:22,610 --> 03:06:24,170
Councilmember, you're being very clear now.

2035
03:06:24,450 --> 03:06:28,450
We hear you, and I appreciate the guidance of our legal council and our staff who've also

2036
03:06:28,450 --> 03:06:29,090
been very clear.

2037
03:06:30,110 --> 03:06:32,990
With that, do we have a motion and we have a second?

2038
03:06:33,490 --> 03:06:34,370
We're ready to vote.

2039
03:06:46,220 --> 03:06:46,760
Motion carries.

2040
03:06:46,760 --> 03:06:51,720
Madam City Clerk, can you read the ordinance, please?

2041
03:06:54,460 --> 03:07:04,060
In urgency ordinance of the City Council of the City of Palm Springs, California, in accordance with California Government Code Section 65858.

2042
03:07:04,560 --> 03:07:15,120
Inact in a moratorium on the approval of any land use entitlements and or permits to allow the operation of data centers in the City of Palm Springs.

2043
03:07:15,120 --> 03:07:15,300
Thanks.

2044
03:07:15,700 --> 03:07:16,380
Thank you.

2045
03:07:16,880 --> 03:07:20,780
Next item on the agenda is item 3D, which is the discussion of city mayoral position

2046
03:07:20,780 --> 03:07:22,660
and report from the ad hoc subcommittee.

2047
03:07:23,400 --> 03:07:26,980
May we have a staff report, please, or are you all giving an update?

2048
03:07:29,040 --> 03:07:34,120
The update is that the community meetings will begin again soon.

2049
03:07:34,320 --> 03:07:38,920
The next one is September 17th.

2050
03:07:40,360 --> 03:07:41,260
No, I'm sorry.

2051
03:07:41,840 --> 03:07:43,340
September 15th.

2052
03:07:43,340 --> 03:07:43,840
September.

2053
03:07:46,520 --> 03:07:47,300
I'm sorry.

2054
03:07:47,300 --> 03:07:57,320
No, that's September 16th, September 16th at Coa Elementary School is the next meeting.

2055
03:07:57,960 --> 03:07:59,720
All of the dates are on Engage Palm Springs.

2056
03:08:00,820 --> 03:08:05,820
We look forward to the public participating, and then I turn to my colleague for any other

2057
03:08:05,820 --> 03:08:07,160
comments and questions he has.

2058
03:08:08,320 --> 03:08:12,680
No questions, but just to update the community, the working group is going to meet.

2059
03:08:12,680 --> 03:08:17,940
They've scheduled a meeting that is prior to the September 16 date.

2060
03:08:18,380 --> 03:08:24,780
So they will be getting together to meet for the first time through this summer break.

2061
03:08:25,680 --> 03:08:32,700
And there was a discussion at their last meeting that, and I don't know how we deal with this.

2062
03:08:33,440 --> 03:08:35,940
But Council Member Gardner and I haven't talked about it.

2063
03:08:35,940 --> 03:08:49,340
But they they had a discussion in their meeting about not having legal at every meeting but only having legal when they asked to have very, you know, have that expert advice at the meeting.

2064
03:08:50,420 --> 03:08:55,820
So I don't know why we would need to have legal at every meeting.

2065
03:08:55,820 --> 03:08:59,280
I think if they don't need it, then they don't need it, that's not a big deal to me.

2066
03:08:59,820 --> 03:09:09,520
So I think I would like, so if we could give that direction to Jim, that the group will ask every time if they want to have legal counsel.

2067
03:09:10,600 --> 03:09:22,200
And hats off to the working group, I think they're doing a good job, they coordinated a really good first meeting, and I think they've set a positive tone for collecting this community feedback.

2068
03:09:23,600 --> 03:09:28,960
I could ask a question. I don't know if we have the answer. Are all of the meetings

2069
03:09:28,960 --> 03:09:33,180
having either already two council members attending assigned

2070
03:09:39,100 --> 03:09:39,360
to?

2071
03:09:39,540 --> 03:09:47,780
But you, we've set a schedule, I believe, and you and Naomi and the Mayor Pro Tem will

2072
03:09:47,780 --> 03:09:55,160
attend in the absence of grace or eye in your district. So we'll still only have two, but

2073
03:09:55,160 --> 03:09:59,160
that you all will be asked to attend the one in your district for sure.

2074
03:09:59,540 --> 03:10:03,420
I mean, your districts, both of you, and both of you are attending.

2075
03:10:04,040 --> 03:10:04,880
I think so.

2076
03:10:05,400 --> 03:10:11,260
We can send that around, for a city clerk, if you don't mind sending around the list for

2077
03:10:11,260 --> 03:10:13,400
council of just who's attending which meetings.

2078
03:10:14,220 --> 03:10:17,900
And for the public, this is a process that we have to follow.

2079
03:10:18,840 --> 03:10:23,080
But you can do that, and there are obviously several meetings that council member to

2080
03:10:23,080 --> 03:10:29,440
partner or both at where if he wanted to go to an additional meeting, one of us could, whoever was not moderating could step away.

2081
03:10:29,740 --> 03:10:37,840
Yeah, and I'm happy if another council member wants to go to district one in my place, and I'm sure council member

2082
03:10:37,840 --> 03:10:42,980
Warren would be the same if somebody wanted to go to district three, just let us know.

2083
03:10:43,240 --> 03:10:44,220
Okay, great, thank you.

2084
03:10:48,270 --> 03:10:51,750
Next item is public comment on non agenda items.

2085
03:10:51,750 --> 03:11:04,850
This time has been aside for members of the public to address the City Council on items of general interest within the subject matter jurisdiction of the city.

2086
03:11:05,330 --> 03:11:10,330
We value your comments, however pursuant to the Brown Act in general, we cannot take any action, not listed on our agenda.

2087
03:11:10,850 --> 03:11:18,690
You have two minutes, I have Elizabeth Smith as our first speaker.

2088
03:11:18,690 --> 03:11:18,990
here.

2089
03:11:19,670 --> 03:11:20,270
Here.

2090
03:11:21,630 --> 03:11:22,570
Am I the left?

2091
03:11:23,850 --> 03:11:24,170
Okay.

2092
03:11:26,360 --> 03:11:27,100
Brandon Allen.

2093
03:11:28,060 --> 03:11:28,660
Here.

2094
03:11:30,880 --> 03:11:31,460
Two minutes.

2095
03:11:31,780 --> 03:11:31,880
Nope.

2096
03:11:33,720 --> 03:11:34,500
Carl Lentrum.

2097
03:11:35,920 --> 03:11:36,140
Voko.

2098
03:11:38,860 --> 03:11:40,320
Dana and Denton.

2099
03:11:40,900 --> 03:11:42,600
I can't see the first like three words.

2100
03:11:43,920 --> 03:11:44,940
So we just have Zoom.

2101
03:11:45,400 --> 03:11:45,620
Is that any?

2102
03:11:50,730 --> 03:11:50,930
None.

2103
03:11:51,090 --> 03:11:51,890
Are you here for?

2104
03:11:52,030 --> 03:11:52,490
None.

2105
03:11:52,870 --> 03:11:53,930
Not a agenda item.

2106
03:11:56,240 --> 03:11:56,540
Yeah.

2107
03:11:57,040 --> 03:11:57,600
I just want to confirm.

2108
03:11:57,600 --> 03:12:00,920
Are you, Donna, are you here for not an agenda item public comment?

2109
03:12:01,500 --> 03:12:01,780
Yeah.

2110
03:12:03,580 --> 03:12:05,120
Yeah, that's what I'm asking, yes.

2111
03:12:05,560 --> 03:12:05,740
No?

2112
03:12:06,260 --> 03:12:06,580
Okay.

2113
03:12:07,060 --> 03:12:07,580
Gentlemen, I'm back.

2114
03:12:08,160 --> 03:12:08,660
You can come on back.

2115
03:12:18,470 --> 03:12:20,030
Hello, council members, mayors.

2116
03:12:20,450 --> 03:12:21,510
My name is Andrew Figueroa.

2117
03:12:21,710 --> 03:12:22,170
I'm a lifeline.

2118
03:12:22,430 --> 03:12:22,750
Sorry.

2119
03:12:23,690 --> 03:12:25,310
I'm a lifeline Coachella Valley Native.

2120
03:12:25,450 --> 03:12:26,930
I'm here to speak about Flock Safety.

2121
03:12:27,550 --> 03:12:31,570
Flock Safety is a private company that controls AA power cameras like AOPRs

2122
03:12:31,570 --> 03:12:34,210
and PTC cameras to capture data about vehicles

2123
03:12:34,210 --> 03:12:37,250
and put them in a mass database that anyone with access can view.

2124
03:12:38,170 --> 03:12:40,650
Now cameras have always been around, but a flock does is different.

2125
03:12:40,870 --> 03:12:42,130
I want to reiterate that to you guys.

2126
03:12:42,550 --> 03:12:45,730
They use us a search that anyone can put specific features on,

2127
03:12:45,850 --> 03:12:48,470
and it'll give you a mass feed of cards that are similar to that description,

2128
03:12:48,770 --> 03:12:50,510
which raises concern for our privacy.

2129
03:12:51,330 --> 03:12:54,010
There's been over a dozen instances of officials of business power

2130
03:12:54,010 --> 03:12:57,430
to locate family members, access, and even as far as to use

2131
03:12:57,430 --> 03:12:59,650
83,000 cameras to track women in Texas,

2132
03:13:00,210 --> 03:13:02,390
so make sure she didn't have an abortion statewide.

2133
03:13:02,390 --> 03:13:04,490
so they use different areas for that.

2134
03:13:05,190 --> 03:13:06,430
But you see, that's not the only issue.

2135
03:13:06,750 --> 03:13:08,490
Flag has also had a high air rate,

2136
03:13:08,630 --> 03:13:10,330
33% according to Edley County,

2137
03:13:10,570 --> 03:13:12,390
and they actually canceled the flag, if you guys know.

2138
03:13:13,410 --> 03:13:16,030
This has allowed many people to be falsely marked by cops,

2139
03:13:16,550 --> 03:13:18,770
which leads to them harassing normal bystander

2140
03:13:18,770 --> 03:13:21,110
and crazy cases, even cops people to be jailed,

2141
03:13:21,130 --> 03:13:23,210
like Hugo Powell from San Diego,

2142
03:13:23,490 --> 03:13:24,730
where he was falsely held for a month.

2143
03:13:25,570 --> 03:13:26,430
I think we can all agree,

2144
03:13:26,830 --> 03:13:28,730
we're all for safety, especially here in Nevada,

2145
03:13:30,250 --> 03:13:33,230
But when safety hasn't been in issues and privacy in concerns,

2146
03:13:33,450 --> 03:13:35,710
our private constring shouldn't be its testing grounds.

2147
03:13:37,090 --> 03:13:40,250
I've seen these cameras be pointed at homes near my home.

2148
03:13:41,710 --> 03:13:44,570
And I just want to ask, do they get to say what these cameras can see?

2149
03:13:44,930 --> 03:13:46,750
Do they get to say what these cameras view?

2150
03:13:47,010 --> 03:13:48,190
Because they see their home every day?

2151
03:13:48,810 --> 03:13:49,450
They don't.

2152
03:13:49,670 --> 03:13:53,530
And again, I wonder, iterate that even one of the vice presidents of FLAWC has been caught

2153
03:13:53,530 --> 03:13:58,490
abusing this power when he was exposed using the system to search up a kid's gymnasium

2154
03:13:58,490 --> 03:14:03,070
in Dunwoody, Atlanta, and when confronted with this, he said it was for a sales pitch.

2155
03:14:03,610 --> 03:14:04,810
Does that sound normal to you guys?

2156
03:14:05,890 --> 03:14:09,410
And it seems like it's a real criminal issue, I'm just concerned for

2157
03:14:09,410 --> 03:14:13,370
our safety of the people of the valley and how many cameras it is here.

2158
03:14:13,950 --> 03:14:18,710
And I do know our police chief is positive on the system and good luck on your retirement.

2159
03:14:19,410 --> 03:14:24,110
But I want to state that even he removed predicted policing AI in Santa Cruz and

2160
03:14:24,110 --> 03:14:26,250
he was chief because it had mistakes like flock.

2161
03:14:34,900 --> 03:14:38,240
Mr. for your out of time, but thank you very much for your comments.

2162
03:14:40,840 --> 03:14:46,120
We have a few Zoom comments, Jane Dodd, Acheon,

2163
03:14:48,140 --> 03:14:51,240
Jane, if you can hear us, you have two minutes.

2164
03:14:54,700 --> 03:14:59,760
I'm Megan, Jane Dodd, and I support more time than Van on data centers in Palm Springs.

2165
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,200
As a February, the U.S. has 4,000 data centers 10 times more in the other country. China has 365 roughly 11 times fewer than the U.S. with a population four times larger than ours. This isn't so you can ask AI to create a graphic or summarize a meeting. Data centers are for military use and to analyze unwarranted surveillance of your private information, which is sold to the highest bidder to any number of private corporations.

2166
03:15:29,200 --> 03:15:34,700
A.I. is used in predictive policing and uses predictive threat intelligence to identify

2167
03:15:34,700 --> 03:15:40,740
inter-indicators of a malicious intent, a clear violation of the Fourth Amendment through

2168
03:15:40,740 --> 03:15:44,740
unwarranted searches and seizures of your private information.

2169
03:15:45,200 --> 03:15:50,260
When people like Larry Ellison, the billionaire, say citizens will be on their best behavior

2170
03:15:50,260 --> 03:15:54,920
under constant A.I. surveillance, this is exactly what he's talking about.

2171
03:15:54,920 --> 03:15:59,560
The main tool for this data collection and creation of surveillance state is

2172
03:15:59,560 --> 03:16:04,380
flock cameras. They track your phone, identify who's in the car, and map any

2173
03:16:04,380 --> 03:16:08,920
Bluetooth device. Flock owns the cameras and can share your information with

2174
03:16:08,920 --> 03:16:14,640
anyone they deem worthy. If a camera mysteries a license plate, Flock's limited

2175
03:16:14,640 --> 03:16:21,960
liability limit is $100 per occurrence. Who will be sued instead? Your city with

2176
03:16:21,960 --> 03:16:28,340
your tax dollars. If that's not creepy enough, Toka, a Israeli cyber intelligence firm

2177
03:16:28,340 --> 03:16:33,580
reportedly offers something far stranger than surveillance. Per Heret's reporting

2178
03:16:33,580 --> 03:16:38,780
summarized by Truth Out in the New York Post, Toka's product suite lets government clients

2179
03:16:38,780 --> 03:16:45,480
locate network cameras in a targeted area, hack into them, watch live feeds in alter or

2180
03:16:45,480 --> 03:16:51,680
We already raised both live and recorded footage without leaving forensic traces.

2181
03:16:52,200 --> 03:16:58,500
Master valence is not public safety, it is power without accountability.

2182
03:17:03,020 --> 03:17:03,940
Thank you, Ms. Dodden.

2183
03:17:04,280 --> 03:17:06,420
Now we have Dominic Moonhart.

2184
03:17:09,430 --> 03:17:09,970
All right, hello.

2185
03:17:10,770 --> 03:17:11,850
Can you guys hear me?

2186
03:17:12,410 --> 03:17:13,570
Yes, speaking here, you have two minutes.

2187
03:17:14,750 --> 03:17:15,970
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

2188
03:17:15,970 --> 03:17:25,130
I just wanted to come on here for an agenda item comment to congratulate the police chief on his retirement.

2189
03:17:25,850 --> 03:17:34,990
He is one of the best police chiefs I've dealt with since I've been following city politics.

2190
03:17:36,450 --> 03:17:41,230
He has taken care of the community, he's very transparent along with his wife.

2191
03:17:42,090 --> 03:17:49,650
And we've had some really cool conversations about policing, and I've even pressured

2192
03:17:49,650 --> 03:17:51,770
him to run for sheriff of Riverside County.

2193
03:17:52,290 --> 03:17:58,170
He's kindly declined, but he's well trusted and we're going to mess him a lot.

2194
03:17:58,170 --> 03:18:07,650
And I know that he, I know a lot of people would trust them if he was, if he were to rent for sure, but that's not happening.

2195
03:18:08,150 --> 03:18:12,330
But that's besides the point we're going to, we're going to miss you. We wish you a well retirement.

2196
03:18:12,910 --> 03:18:21,990
I also want to leave my condolences to council member Bernstein after the passing of his husband. So my condolences go to the user.

2197
03:18:22,710 --> 03:18:24,710
And that's all I have for public comment. Thank you.

2198
03:18:24,710 --> 03:18:27,520
Thank you, Dominic.

2199
03:18:28,380 --> 03:18:30,120
Next, we have Richard Morris.

2200
03:18:32,340 --> 03:18:32,940
Don't not there.

2201
03:18:33,300 --> 03:18:33,400
Okay.

2202
03:18:34,620 --> 03:18:36,720
Any other last minute, public comments?

2203
03:18:38,940 --> 03:18:41,420
I think I could just see Mia Maya Romero.

2204
03:18:42,640 --> 03:18:42,940
Thank you.

2205
03:18:55,320 --> 03:18:59,840
Even though I no longer live in Palm Springs, this became my second hometown

2206
03:19:00,320 --> 03:19:02,240
over the almost 20 years I lived here.

2207
03:19:02,620 --> 03:19:04,900
And I am very much still invested in this community.

2208
03:19:05,720 --> 03:19:08,820
That is why I am here again to speak out against the October 2023

2209
03:19:08,820 --> 03:19:10,920
three, resolution that was passed.

2210
03:19:11,300 --> 03:19:14,040
Council Member DeHart, I met with you in February 2024

2211
03:19:14,040 --> 03:19:15,040
about the resolution.

2212
03:19:15,580 --> 03:19:17,360
You were disinterested in very much showcase

2213
03:19:17,360 --> 03:19:19,680
how uneducated you are when it comes

2214
03:19:19,680 --> 03:19:20,960
to modern history and politics.

2215
03:19:21,660 --> 03:19:22,920
I can now say with full certainty

2216
03:19:22,920 --> 03:19:24,660
that you merely met with me to check a box.

2217
03:19:25,320 --> 03:19:26,260
Do you have no interest in learning

2218
03:19:26,260 --> 03:19:27,200
anything in that meeting?

2219
03:19:28,060 --> 03:19:30,380
Council Member Bernstein, I learned very early on

2220
03:19:30,380 --> 03:19:32,340
after meeting with you and seeing you on the stage

2221
03:19:32,920 --> 03:19:34,700
that you are intellectually dishonest,

2222
03:19:34,820 --> 03:19:37,360
cannot follow logic, when confronted with a question

2223
03:19:37,360 --> 03:19:41,900
or an issue unable to form a coherent thought, and have absolutely no clue in the potential

2224
03:19:41,900 --> 03:19:46,760
Pandora's box, you created when you pushed through the resolution at the behest of a part-time

2225
03:19:46,760 --> 03:19:53,240
resident. Council members, ready, and so-to, you were not sitting on the council in 2023, but you

2226
03:19:53,240 --> 03:19:58,960
inherit the issue. Dr. Reddy, I'm disappointed in you as I'm a graduate of CSUSB's public administration

2227
03:19:58,960 --> 03:20:04,240
program where you teach or taught. Not sure if you still do. After meeting with a friend of mine,

2228
03:20:04,240 --> 03:20:05,620
and you declined to take up the issue,

2229
03:20:05,960 --> 03:20:08,040
even though the resolution sets a bad precedent.

2230
03:20:08,860 --> 03:20:11,140
Council Member Soto, you are merely a continuation

2231
03:20:11,140 --> 03:20:12,740
of your predecessor's disinterest

2232
03:20:12,740 --> 03:20:15,200
in the opinions a resident district four

2233
03:20:15,720 --> 03:20:16,560
where I once lived.

2234
03:20:17,260 --> 03:20:19,480
Your vote at the last meeting displays that.

2235
03:20:20,500 --> 03:20:23,300
Council Member Garner, you were the mayor when this was passed.

2236
03:20:23,860 --> 03:20:25,260
You told me and others that you felt

2237
03:20:25,260 --> 03:20:26,440
you had no choice in the matter.

2238
03:20:27,100 --> 03:20:29,460
You shared with us in multiple meetings and conversations

2239
03:20:29,460 --> 03:20:32,460
that you felt shame and regret in your vote

2240
03:20:32,460 --> 03:20:36,460
to support the resolution. You promised us that there would be some sort of

2241
03:20:36,460 --> 03:20:40,240
action eventually taken, or it could be brought up again when the council

2242
03:20:40,240 --> 03:20:45,280
meant. But nothing happened. You basically let us on. You told us you need to

2243
03:20:45,280 --> 03:20:50,960
keep the piece on the council. In the end, you have displayed your cowardice in

2244
03:20:50,960 --> 03:20:55,540
keeping quiet. And FYI, there is plenty of social media chatter on this

2245
03:20:55,540 --> 03:21:01,780
resolution again, and I know many of you have intact in those posts. So I know

2246
03:21:01,780 --> 03:21:03,240
you're fully well aware of it.

2247
03:21:06,280 --> 03:21:08,460
Madam City clerk, are there any other public comments?

2248
03:21:09,640 --> 03:21:11,160
No further commentors.

2249
03:21:11,440 --> 03:21:11,620
Okay.

2250
03:21:13,460 --> 03:21:19,980
Deputy Chief Stern, I think you had a comment that you wanted to add a response to public comments.

2251
03:21:20,720 --> 03:21:20,840
No.

2252
03:21:22,140 --> 03:21:22,440
Okay.

2253
03:21:22,940 --> 03:21:25,700
Chief, do you have a comment that you wanted to add then?

2254
03:21:26,020 --> 03:21:32,040
No, I just wanted to make the Mayor and Council aware that under the Brown Act a brief responses

2255
03:21:32,040 --> 03:21:39,000
Public comments are allowed. It can be a discussion, but a brief response from either the council or staff is allowed to clarify any

2256
03:21:39,000 --> 03:21:41,780
misinformation that might get out there. Got it. Okay.

2257
03:21:45,000 --> 03:21:47,980
Next item on the agenda is the city council

2258
03:21:48,860 --> 03:21:52,320
and the city manager's request for the upcoming agenda development.

2259
03:21:54,250 --> 03:21:59,590
Thank you Madam Mayor. Members of council, I think if we pull up the screen here for the

2260
03:22:05,090 --> 03:22:07,930
We're trying to get back into the swing of things.

2261
03:22:08,570 --> 03:22:16,050
You'll see on September 9th, we'll have another hotel incentive agreement coming back with for the Riviera hotel.

2262
03:22:16,970 --> 03:22:23,890
Historic designation property at 550 palisades drive will also be a public hearing.

2263
03:22:24,830 --> 03:22:30,350
We are at council's request, we'll bring back the discussion of the Community Workforce Agreement for

2264
03:22:30,350 --> 03:22:34,470
for your guidance to us.

2265
03:22:35,150 --> 03:22:45,250
We also will be bringing back an update on the Dream Hotel Project and an update on

2266
03:22:45,250 --> 03:22:50,610
the Caravansary Small Business Program that Council's supported for ongoing funding.

2267
03:22:50,770 --> 03:22:55,250
We're going to talk about that program, what their plans are for the future, how we're going

2268
03:22:55,250 --> 03:23:00,130
We're going to support them along with the discussion on the mayoral position, as always.

2269
03:23:01,310 --> 03:23:08,250
You've asked on September 30th, we've talked about the Desert Water Agency's Turf Conversion Program.

2270
03:23:08,810 --> 03:23:10,170
We've got that on the books.

2271
03:23:10,650 --> 03:23:17,470
I will mention to you that the legislative platform update we had on for the September 9th meeting.

2272
03:23:18,010 --> 03:23:20,930
But as we were looking at things and all the other consent items,

2273
03:23:21,550 --> 03:23:26,490
We felt it might be better just for the length of meetings to move that to September 30th.

2274
03:23:26,730 --> 03:23:32,370
We'll put it back on the 9th if Council really wants it there, but we think it'd be better positioned on the 30th.

2275
03:23:32,530 --> 03:23:35,230
So we've moved it to the 2nd meeting in September.

2276
03:23:38,130 --> 03:23:44,590
And I don't think there's anything pressing that will leave us in danger of anything for that extra two weeks.

2277
03:23:45,730 --> 03:23:46,090
Yeah,

2278
03:23:48,470 --> 03:23:58,410
I mean, it's just it's been delayed already because we're supposed to do it in June, so I mean, it's fine if we want to do it, but I don't want to get it delayed again.

2279
03:23:58,490 --> 03:24:10,710
We debated moving it to the 30th, we can leave it on the night if you really want it there, just we were just thinking of the time constraints of the meeting.

2280
03:24:11,530 --> 03:24:34,910
I mean, I think it's, you know, I don't know the timing of all the stuff that's happening, and I just think that's important, you know, and some of the issues quite honestly, you know, we have, there's elections coming up and it'd be a good time to be lobbying people who are, you know, make them aware of what our priorities are, but I understand if I do the 30th, which is up to act very quickly.

2281
03:24:34,910 --> 03:24:39,650
We want to be aligned with Council, so if you really feel strongly you want it on the 9th

2282
03:24:39,650 --> 03:24:42,290
We'll we're prepared to bring it back on the 9th

2283
03:24:45,970 --> 03:24:50,570
and we know our lobbyists from Townsend will also be here on the 30th

2284
03:24:50,570 --> 03:24:55,670
I believe also okay, so okay, and then on the 14th

2285
03:24:55,670 --> 03:24:57,890
We'll have a presentation by the hunger

2286
03:24:58,510 --> 03:25:03,570
hunger food month by fine food bank and I know

2287
03:25:03,570 --> 03:25:09,470
So Council was interested in having the vacation rental ordinance related to the event houses come back.

2288
03:25:09,650 --> 03:25:12,630
So we have that coming back first meeting in October.

2289
03:25:13,830 --> 03:25:15,150
That's all I have, Madam Mayor.

2290
03:25:15,850 --> 03:25:15,950
Okay.

2291
03:25:16,630 --> 03:25:21,770
Any other requests, comments on the schedule?

2292
03:25:22,810 --> 03:25:22,930
Nope,

2293
03:25:25,210 --> 03:25:25,670
Council member to heart.

2294
03:25:26,750 --> 03:25:27,250
Thank you, Mayor.

2295
03:25:29,650 --> 03:25:33,110
I'd like to ask that we have an agenda item to

2296
03:25:35,010 --> 03:25:50,210
You know, have a discussion on the flock cameras and, you know, get some feedback from PD on successes, what their concerns are, how have things worked since we've had the install.

2297
03:25:51,110 --> 03:26:01,070
I think it would be worthwhile for us to be able to give a just an update to the community on where we're at with the flock cameras if there's support for that.

2298
03:26:02,110 --> 03:26:03,210
I support that.

2299
03:26:03,790 --> 03:26:07,410
Just to clarify, if you want a discussion from Councilor, you want a presentation on how

2300
03:26:07,410 --> 03:26:08,890
we're using it and like a summary.

2301
03:26:09,010 --> 03:26:15,310
Update from PD on flat cameras and that update can lead to discussion, but just to have a

2302
03:26:15,310 --> 03:26:16,130
business item.

2303
03:26:16,430 --> 03:26:16,490
Yeah.

2304
03:26:20,900 --> 03:26:27,780
The other thing, if Council will support is the, you know, we're going to come up on our

2305
03:26:27,780 --> 03:26:34,860
Q1 of the first quarter operations under the new food service agreement and because that

2306
03:26:34,860 --> 03:26:41,640
is such an important agreement we spend a lot of time on it I'd like to ask that the

2307
03:26:41,640 --> 03:26:50,040
city manager works with Oakview and provides us with a first quarter update on how the transition

2308
03:26:50,040 --> 03:26:56,040
is gone, what their current planning is, are their challenges that they're addressing, how

2309
03:26:56,040 --> 03:27:00,480
was the equipment buyout have gone where are we at with sales?

2310
03:27:01,400 --> 03:27:07,920
But I think we need to keep a tight leash so we can make sure we're off to a great start.

2311
03:27:08,240 --> 03:27:12,900
So having an update for Q1, when that time comes.

2312
03:27:15,580 --> 03:27:24,080
Just Councilman, I think what I hear you saying is a Q1 update on the OVG management agreement,

2313
03:27:24,080 --> 03:27:29,620
And how they're doing, along with anything we want to have with food and beverage.

2314
03:27:29,940 --> 03:27:30,580
In particular.

2315
03:27:31,440 --> 03:27:31,740
Okay.

2316
03:27:32,200 --> 03:27:32,320
Yeah.

2317
03:27:33,060 --> 03:27:33,160
Now.

2318
03:27:33,700 --> 03:27:35,420
So just the hospitality.

2319
03:27:35,640 --> 03:27:44,660
Yeah, but when you talk about sales and other things, I'm hearing, we also want to talk about the larger management agreement and how OBG is doing.

2320
03:27:44,780 --> 03:27:46,900
We can do that, yeah, in the, for the first time.

2321
03:27:47,040 --> 03:27:47,520
That would make sense.

2322
03:27:47,840 --> 03:27:49,280
Yeah, okay.

2323
03:27:49,280 --> 03:27:58,100
And just to council members talk, when we did the management agreement, I think we asked them to come back every year and talk about their promises and let's see where we're at.

2324
03:27:58,440 --> 03:28:02,040
So I agree the timing would be good for both.

2325
03:28:02,960 --> 03:28:06,400
And I think they'd be happy to do that, actually, to come back.

2326
03:28:06,820 --> 03:28:09,800
They're off to a good start from the management end of it.

2327
03:28:09,920 --> 03:28:12,060
I think they'd be happy to come back and talk about that.

2328
03:28:12,060 --> 03:28:17,640
Yeah, I think it's just a nice update, just so I understand time lines on the

2329
03:28:17,640 --> 03:28:23,640
flat-camber discussion, what's the expectation of council on how quickly you want PD to be back here?

2330
03:28:24,260 --> 03:28:29,800
When there's time in the schedule, it's not an urgent thing for me.

2331
03:28:33,520 --> 03:28:40,860
I think sooner than later is nice because it is a topic that people are wanting more information about.

2332
03:28:41,700 --> 03:28:47,740
If I could also use this time to ask because I know the last meetings you had at the police

2333
03:28:47,740 --> 03:28:51,800
department were, you know, the smaller ones were very well attended and there was some

2334
03:28:51,800 --> 03:28:58,320
request we had from the community to have ones after a regular working hours for residents

2335
03:28:58,320 --> 03:29:03,720
who work and if we could do that schedule some of those, I think that would be helpful.

2336
03:29:05,680 --> 03:29:11,580
And I also think it's going to be on the 1PS agenda next term as well.

2337
03:29:12,080 --> 03:29:16,140
So I think they're using several ones, not disagreeing, but I'm saying the community

2338
03:29:16,140 --> 03:29:21,040
once the police did, we should do those some evening ones to allow for residents to

2339
03:29:21,040 --> 03:29:21,260
work.

2340
03:29:23,900 --> 03:29:27,560
The three that they did before were all during the day time.

2341
03:29:27,780 --> 03:29:34,740
So somebody who works was not able to attend, and we had a few people who said, can you

2342
03:29:40,080 --> 03:29:40,560
Yeah,

2343
03:29:43,240 --> 03:29:59,860
from the position of the police department, we're open to talk about this continually at any time, we are absolutely open to hosting more classes on the weekend during the evenings, we are interested in being as fully transparent about this technology and how we're using it in every capacity possible.

2344
03:30:03,400 --> 03:30:29,920
So, still an update to council on the status of the flock. The last item for me, council, is, you know, on May 9th of 2024, I asked council to agenda a resolution to require that the city no longer take positions on foreign policy-based issues. We have a different council today.

2345
03:30:29,920 --> 03:30:36,580
that request didn't get acceptance when I asked in 24.

2346
03:30:37,360 --> 03:30:47,460
So I'm asking again tonight that Council agenda is a discussion and draft a staff resolution

2347
03:30:47,920 --> 03:30:55,580
to keep City Council meetings focused on municipal issues that directly impact the City of Palm Springs,

2348
03:30:55,580 --> 03:31:02,540
Preserving public time, resources, and council responsiveness for local, regional, and

2349
03:31:02,540 --> 03:31:03,380
U.S. matters.

2350
03:31:04,440 --> 03:31:11,320
And there's a great ordinance that's been in place since 1979 in San Jose that the

2351
03:31:11,320 --> 03:31:14,440
staff could use is a great starting point.

2352
03:31:15,440 --> 03:31:21,200
So bringing the discussion, and if staff wants to present a draft resolution for us to look

2353
03:31:21,200 --> 03:31:24,480
at and discuss, I think that would be worthwhile.

2354
03:31:24,480 --> 03:31:28,630
So if there's counsel support for that,

2355
03:31:38,160 --> 03:31:49,500
focus on local, regional, and U.S. matters, and more specifically as to whether the council wants to bring that back, not deciding it tonight whether you want to bring it back.

2356
03:31:49,880 --> 03:31:49,980
Yeah.

2357
03:31:52,220 --> 03:32:04,520
Right, right. Just discussion about it. Right. You're talking about, right, I'm all for city and state affairs. You're talking about we're going to go resolution, discussion of the resolution to prohibit international discussion, international actions.

2358
03:32:04,520 --> 03:32:06,840
In effect, yes, fine, I'm fine with that.

2359
03:32:11,850 --> 03:32:12,610
Only two.

2360
03:32:16,030 --> 03:32:20,070
So I will certainly try again if we don't have support from three people.

2361
03:32:20,370 --> 03:32:20,790
Yeah,

2362
03:32:31,010 --> 03:32:34,450
I think it's why it's processing all of the different things on this.

2363
03:32:34,570 --> 03:32:37,870
But as city attorney reminded us, we cannot have a discussion right now.

2364
03:32:40,800 --> 03:32:42,180
So the request is to-

2365
03:32:42,180 --> 03:32:43,600
I'm on that, but-

2366
03:32:43,600 --> 03:32:52,480
Yeah, I think is obviously early in September's full, but we can give staff some time to put a staff report together.

2367
03:32:52,480 --> 03:32:58,780
into the month in September is perfect, so we're crystal clear.

2368
03:32:59,320 --> 03:33:21,360
I'm asking that we agendize the discussion to adopt a resolution that keeps council meetings focused on municipal issues that directly impact the city of Palm Springs and preserving public time resources and council responsiveness for local, regional and US matters.

2369
03:33:22,620 --> 03:33:32,930
And a draft ordinance can be looked at that passed first in 1979 in San Jose, and I think we got three knots.

2370
03:33:35,540 --> 03:33:36,180
Thank you.

2371
03:33:39,780 --> 03:33:42,700
And I would just note that the draft ordinance is just an attachment.

2372
03:33:42,940 --> 03:33:45,820
It's not action, it's just part of the staff report.

2373
03:33:46,460 --> 03:33:47,040
Okay, thank you.

2374
03:33:47,300 --> 03:33:49,240
A draft ordinance, or I think a draft resolution.

2375
03:33:49,680 --> 03:33:50,700
A draft resolution, thank you.

2376
03:33:57,220 --> 03:33:58,300
Request from Council.

2377
03:34:00,630 --> 03:34:00,710
Nope.

2378
03:34:01,390 --> 03:34:01,590
Okay.

2379
03:34:02,990 --> 03:34:07,470
Our next council meeting will be held on Wednesday September 9th at 530.

2380
03:34:07,950 --> 03:34:10,130
We will see you then. This may be a different...