1
00:02:22,350 --> 00:02:35,610
Good afternoon, everyone. I'm going to call the meeting to order of the Planning Commission of the City of Pelless Verities of the States for August 18, 2020. Before we begin, will you please join me in rise in saying the pledge of allegiance?

2
00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:45,480
Again, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. Thank you for

3
00:02:55,140 --> 00:02:56,720
that.

4
00:02:59,130 --> 00:03:02,230
Mrs. Brady May I have the roll call please.

5
00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:14,860
Commissioner Kashi, Commissioner Rossick, Commissioner Cozen,

6
00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:20,060
Vice Chairman Nendek, Chairman

7
00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,940
Campeasey, Chairman Campeasey, you have a forum.

8
00:03:24,500 --> 00:03:25,560
Thank you for that.

9
00:03:25,820 --> 00:03:28,520
Next we will move on to the approval of today's agenda.

10
00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:34,020
May I hear any comments on that or a motion to approve today's agenda?

11
00:03:36,770 --> 00:03:43,430
All right, we have a motion from Commissioner Rossick and a second from Vice Chair Nendick

12
00:03:43,430 --> 00:03:44,270
on favor.

13
00:03:44,770 --> 00:03:50,630
All right, motion carries and the approval of the agenda has been heard.

14
00:03:51,570 --> 00:03:54,030
So next we will open up communications from the public.

15
00:03:54,030 --> 00:03:58,730
This is the portion of the agenda where if you were here today to speak on an item that

16
00:03:58,730 --> 00:04:01,950
is not on today's agenda, this would be your time to come up to the podium.

17
00:04:02,170 --> 00:04:05,370
You'll have three minutes to speak on any topic that's not being heard today.

18
00:04:06,210 --> 00:04:07,830
I have a couple of cards here.

19
00:04:07,850 --> 00:04:11,750
I assume everyone's talking about the Lenovo Bluff top project.

20
00:04:11,910 --> 00:04:16,490
Is there anyone in the audience that would like to speak on a topic that's not on today's

21
00:04:16,490 --> 00:04:17,070
agenda?

22
00:04:19,260 --> 00:04:19,360
Lenovo.

23
00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:20,380
Okay.

24
00:04:21,340 --> 00:04:21,620
All right.

25
00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:22,380
Last call.

26
00:04:22,540 --> 00:04:28,020
Hearing none, we will close the communications from the public and move the consent agenda.

27
00:04:28,660 --> 00:04:33,300
There's no items on the consent agenda today, so we will skip that and move on to the

28
00:04:33,300 --> 00:04:34,020
public hearing.

29
00:04:34,740 --> 00:04:40,220
Today's public hearing is a Coastal Development Permit application for La Nautabe Blufftop,

30
00:04:40,300 --> 00:04:48,840
number CDP-005-26 for some Blufftop improvements along Faceldo Mar near the intersection

31
00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:51,560
of Faceldo Mar and Avonita, Merola.

32
00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:59,960
May we have the staff report please, but before we do that, we would like to do an X-partake.

33
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:06,340
Communications will start with Commissioner Kashi and disclose any ex-partei communications that are not part of the record.

34
00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:07,700
No ex-partei communication.

35
00:05:09,700 --> 00:05:18,540
I made site visits to 409-416-417-Evanita, Merilla, and 2406, and 2500-Baseo, Delmar.

36
00:05:20,020 --> 00:05:30,020
I visited the project area, did not speak to anyone there, but I had a separate conversation with a neighbor, Simon Schober, who also submitted a letter, and I believe is here tonight.

37
00:05:31,840 --> 00:05:36,940
This week, I drove by the site, but did not communicate with anybody.

38
00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,080
I walked with several times the room start

39
00:05:48,540 --> 00:05:49,360
test out your microphone.

40
00:05:49,900 --> 00:05:50,440
Did you hear that?

41
00:05:50,500 --> 00:05:51,200
There we go.

42
00:05:51,780 --> 00:05:53,060
All right, do you want to say it again for the microphone?

43
00:05:53,860 --> 00:05:54,120
Sure.

44
00:05:55,180 --> 00:06:00,360
I walked the cliff several times back and forth through the whole project.

45
00:06:00,980 --> 00:06:02,320
But didn't talk to anybody, thanks.

46
00:06:02,580 --> 00:06:04,580
Director Brady, may we have the staff report, please?

47
00:06:07,180 --> 00:06:10,620
The staff report will be given by the Public Works Director.

48
00:06:14,790 --> 00:06:16,550
Chair, commissioners, members of the public.

49
00:06:17,350 --> 00:06:21,670
So the staff report is going to be in this presentation as brief overview of basically

50
00:06:21,670 --> 00:06:23,470
how we got here.

51
00:06:24,230 --> 00:06:28,730
During the presentation, Kerry Brawley is going to jump into a lot of that because he's

52
00:06:28,730 --> 00:06:32,670
got a lot of more background than we do that he can fill in these spaces.

53
00:06:32,750 --> 00:06:34,910
It's a very broad overview of the project.

54
00:06:39,410 --> 00:06:46,530
Again, background history of the settlement, our obligations on that settlement and then the project scope.

55
00:06:48,850 --> 00:06:55,150
During basically our obligations or the timeline actually started in 2016 when this was file.

56
00:06:55,830 --> 00:06:58,210
And then the settlement agreement was reaching 24.

57
00:06:58,850 --> 00:07:05,910
And then in 2006, that's our deadline to comply with some of our obligations and I don't know if you want to go.

58
00:07:05,910 --> 00:07:06,990
Yeah, let me, yeah.

59
00:07:07,110 --> 00:07:07,490
Good evening.

60
00:07:08,050 --> 00:07:10,330
Planning for listeners and members and community members.

61
00:07:11,630 --> 00:07:12,210
I apologize.

62
00:07:13,010 --> 00:07:16,550
I just got back from vacation and I wasn't planning on attending today.

63
00:07:16,850 --> 00:07:19,650
But I wasn't in a tuck it's when we're going to tuck it type outfit,

64
00:07:19,990 --> 00:07:21,110
like the golf shirt with a coat.

65
00:07:21,370 --> 00:07:23,690
So I kind of, yeah, that's a fun place to visit.

66
00:07:23,750 --> 00:07:24,550
Never been there.

67
00:07:25,090 --> 00:07:29,030
Yeah, I thought it'd be important for the community and any planning commissions that aren't

68
00:07:29,030 --> 00:07:30,690
aware to kind of give a little bit of background.

69
00:07:31,390 --> 00:07:35,770
So as our public or director mentioned, the lawsuit was filed in 2016.

70
00:07:36,470 --> 00:07:44,310
The genesis of the lawsuit was that the city and I'm reading several individuals, collectively

71
00:07:44,310 --> 00:07:49,670
known as the Bay Boys, were preventing access to the Lunata Bay area.

72
00:07:49,670 --> 00:07:58,870
And the whole coastal commission their main goal is to protect access to coastal areas.

73
00:07:59,610 --> 00:08:06,570
The city was brought into this lawsuit and initially there's a couple important parts that I want everyone to understand.

74
00:08:07,190 --> 00:08:14,050
Initially our insurance authority, the California Joint Powers Insurance Authority, were covering the cost of the lawsuit for the city.

75
00:08:14,050 --> 00:08:20,970
It was initially fired and filed in federal court and I believe it was thrown out of federal court.

76
00:08:21,290 --> 00:08:27,710
It was refiled in state court and it was either thrown out or the city prevailed.

77
00:08:28,670 --> 00:08:41,090
And essentially what the city was trying to defend itself in was we don't have a obligation to curtail harassment.

78
00:08:41,930 --> 00:08:53,810
Now, of course, we want to curtail harassment, but there's a difference if it's an obligation and what was really important is that we were not impeding access to the coastline through this.

79
00:08:53,810 --> 00:09:02,810
We prevail, the plaintiffs appealed it and it went to the state of Pellac Court and

80
00:09:03,690 --> 00:09:10,070
a really, really, I'll say, bad decision by the Appellac Court said that cities can be

81
00:09:10,070 --> 00:09:15,390
held liable for impeding access to the coastline in the former harassment or bullying.

82
00:09:16,150 --> 00:09:21,270
That opened up a lot of eyes on all coastal cities throughout California, but more importantly,

83
00:09:21,270 --> 00:09:29,930
It was focused on us, so it went back to State Court at which point the JPA dropped coverage,

84
00:09:30,250 --> 00:09:33,730
not our coverage, but they were not no longer covering us in this case.

85
00:09:34,230 --> 00:09:40,850
So the city was paying its bill to defend itself on this.

86
00:09:41,170 --> 00:09:46,650
Our first attorney walked away from the case, about nine months in.

87
00:09:46,650 --> 00:09:55,190
Our Leo firm, BBK, monoconship representing them, stepped up and found a litigator and we went to court.

88
00:09:56,390 --> 00:09:59,970
Initially, the plaintiffs asked for upwards of-

89
00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:08,280
15 to 20 million dollars to settle this case. The city council made an offer that was not near that to settle

90
00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:14,020
it and make it go away. And when I say make it go away, what I mean by is it's really the expense

91
00:10:14,020 --> 00:10:22,580
associated with defending the city. We were facing fines of tens to possibly $100 million. Should we have

92
00:10:22,580 --> 00:10:28,140
We found liable because the pellet courts said we could be a violating coastal access.

93
00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:38,680
The trial started and about the halfway point through the trial, the judge required us to

94
00:10:38,680 --> 00:10:39,820
go into settlement conferences.

95
00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:46,560
As part of that, settlement conference, the plaintiffs were asking for a whole host of

96
00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:46,780
things.

97
00:10:46,820 --> 00:10:50,000
Some of which we're going to talk about here in a million, you'll hear me jump in on what they

98
00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:55,340
for and what we settled on. They're also asking for money. Let me talk about the money for a second.

99
00:10:56,280 --> 00:11:01,400
They wanted the city to pay this legal fees. Most of this work is being done pro bono

100
00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,280
by two attorneys and Monica, maybe you can help me. There's something that attorneys can do

101
00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:11,460
and bring a lawsuit forward on behalf of the Coastal Commission. Are you familiar with that?

102
00:11:18,350 --> 00:11:23,150
Yeah, from what I understand, it wasn't a contracted. They're able to, there's almost like,

103
00:11:23,150 --> 00:11:29,790
I don't know, I'm one of these word angels, but they're able to bring forward what the

104
00:11:29,790 --> 00:11:32,690
co-commissive mission and bring the lawsuit forward.

105
00:11:32,910 --> 00:11:40,310
These returns were doing this pro bono, so we obviously weren't doing this pro bono defending

106
00:11:40,310 --> 00:11:41,010
ourselves.

107
00:11:42,670 --> 00:11:49,270
They initially asked for, again, I said 15, I think if I remember correctly, about $10 million

108
00:11:49,270 --> 00:11:54,650
in attorney's fees. We said we couldn't live with that. They came back and they said,

109
00:11:54,710 --> 00:12:02,830
all right, they wanted a ceiling of five and a floor of two. And I distinctly remember

110
00:12:02,830 --> 00:12:08,590
being in the meetings and saying, well, if you want your ceiling of five, then you're going

111
00:12:08,590 --> 00:12:14,370
to take a floor of zero and they wouldn't go for that. So we settled on a ceiling of four

112
00:12:14,370 --> 00:12:19,930
and a floor of one million dollars to be decided by the judge after the case. We'll come back

113
00:12:19,930 --> 00:12:26,510
to that in a minute. Then they wanted a series of actions by the city. Some of which were easy

114
00:12:26,510 --> 00:12:33,950
to implement. Every year the staff has to go through a training on the coastal commission and all

115
00:12:33,950 --> 00:12:41,530
the good that they do for the state of California. Anytime that there's any sort of incident

116
00:12:41,530 --> 00:12:43,530
that it would take some police report.

117
00:12:43,770 --> 00:12:46,790
I had to be given a copy of the police report in that area,

118
00:12:46,790 --> 00:12:49,350
and I had to forward it to the Coastal Commission to review.

119
00:12:51,010 --> 00:12:52,610
I'm trying to remember what are the other things to do.

120
00:12:53,250 --> 00:12:55,210
Some of you remember we did a helicopter operation.

121
00:12:56,390 --> 00:12:59,170
Some of the local surfers had taken a bamboo area.

122
00:12:59,170 --> 00:13:00,570
I think it's called a Rinda grass,

123
00:13:00,890 --> 00:13:02,250
and they kind of carved it out,

124
00:13:02,470 --> 00:13:04,910
and they built up with the rocks, and they backfilled it,

125
00:13:04,910 --> 00:13:07,370
and they made it a deck, and they hung out there.

126
00:13:07,470 --> 00:13:09,930
We had to take that out, and the only way we could take it out

127
00:13:09,930 --> 00:13:10,910
was via helicopter.

128
00:13:10,910 --> 00:13:19,770
So I had to do that. We have to go down there once or once every other month and walk the coastline and see if they are

129
00:13:19,770 --> 00:13:27,130
Storing kayaks or building an encampment. I've been down there myself twice. I've done it twice and

130
00:13:27,130 --> 00:13:36,230
The locals are not only the building encampments. They're building barbecues. They have coolers down there and the air is cool enough. They don't keep ice in it

131
00:13:36,230 --> 00:13:38,710
They have food that they go and they cooked down there.

132
00:13:38,830 --> 00:13:43,170
They had cemented in an umbrella and it's all in an area which can't see from the

133
00:13:43,170 --> 00:13:43,850
bluff top.

134
00:13:44,130 --> 00:13:45,770
But yet the city is required to go down there.

135
00:13:46,010 --> 00:13:49,790
Not only report on it, we also have to clean it up.

136
00:13:50,270 --> 00:13:54,090
So all of these are things that we required to do and this project.

137
00:13:54,630 --> 00:14:00,770
But one other piece on this, there is a stairway that's on private property in the

138
00:14:00,770 --> 00:14:06,070
Rocky Point neighborhood that goes down to the area and we have an agreement with the

139
00:14:06,070 --> 00:14:10,750
owner to the state was built in the 60s. We would agree with the home owner of our police

140
00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:16,390
and fire and city staff can use it if we have to have official business. So really the

141
00:14:16,390 --> 00:14:20,950
most time we use it we have to go down there for a rescue. We can get down there a little bit quicker

142
00:14:20,950 --> 00:14:25,150
and safer than going down the trail or by boat or by helicopter.

143
00:14:27,390 --> 00:14:28,450
We have to get the coastal

144
00:14:28,450 --> 00:14:33,730
commission to approve that or we have to take it out. So we are in a huge fight with them right

145
00:14:33,730 --> 00:14:38,790
as we speak on that. All of these had timelines on them and we've completed. We've

146
00:14:38,790 --> 00:14:46,170
hit every timeline but and I will share with the planning commission that the

147
00:14:47,330 --> 00:14:51,750
plaintiffs check in all the time. About once a month they check in and they

148
00:14:51,750 --> 00:14:56,190
asked for I think the last document I got had my favorite thing public

149
00:14:56,190 --> 00:14:59,750
regulatory quests, probably going to take an estimate.

150
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:03,340
Under an hour is a staff time to produce this public records request.

151
00:15:04,060 --> 00:15:08,880
Last piece I want to share is that if you remember we said we would agree to a $1 million

152
00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,140
versus a $4 million settlement.

153
00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:16,040
So we went and they had another trial for the settlement, I attended that trial.

154
00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:23,380
And at the end the judge decided that we would pay $1.5 million in legal fees.

155
00:15:24,220 --> 00:15:26,480
This was agreed upon by the plaintiffs.

156
00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:32,700
about two weeks later, we get an email threatening to file another lawsuit to reopen this

157
00:15:32,700 --> 00:15:37,960
unless we give them $4 million. Meanwhile, every time these things come in, the City Council

158
00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:42,120
has to meet in close session, and we were, if you look back in the timeline, they were meeting

159
00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:47,720
weekly on all of these different parts. We just couldn't believe it. We were shocked. We had

160
00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:53,120
settled, we had all signed in good faith, and then they come back with this. We ended up saying,

161
00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,100
We'll give you another $250,000 and they took it.

162
00:15:57,620 --> 00:16:00,160
So we ended up settling for $1.75 million.

163
00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:06,040
All of this in this long history is that I found and talking with residents is a lot

164
00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:06,740
of this history.

165
00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,400
Some of it was behind closed doors or in closed session.

166
00:16:10,180 --> 00:16:12,680
Or hasn't really been relayed well.

167
00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,120
Or is known.

168
00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:18,080
I think it's really important that the community understands what we're dealing with this.

169
00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:21,460
This is not a project that the city just decided one day,

170
00:16:21,460 --> 00:16:23,600
Okay, let's go build stuff on the bluff top.

171
00:16:24,340 --> 00:16:26,300
We fought this every step of the way.

172
00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:30,900
It started in 2016, I was just out of the bluff top with some of the residents.

173
00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,540
I think some of them are here and a couple of council members out there and they said we've

174
00:16:34,540 --> 00:16:35,760
been dealing with this for eight years.

175
00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:41,040
I've had the pleasure of dealing it with it for two and a half years and this is the best

176
00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:41,600
that we had described.

177
00:16:41,700 --> 00:16:49,140
This is a big dark cloud over the city and took up a lot of staff and energy and public perception

178
00:16:49,140 --> 00:16:50,060
of the city.

179
00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:59,300
So, I wanted to give you all that context, I think it's really, really important to kind of understand everything that happened and got us to this point.

180
00:17:00,740 --> 00:17:02,100
So, first I look like you look at your government.

181
00:17:02,100 --> 00:17:08,860
Yeah, I would just be a good time to probe deeper on some of the aspects of the settlement, or will you be covering some of that.

182
00:17:08,860 --> 00:17:11,480
How we got to maybe the things that are required on the right side.

183
00:17:11,540 --> 00:17:11,920
Yeah, much more.

184
00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:15,560
Most of the shots I'm going to let Oscar go through it, and I promise to jump in to give clear.

185
00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:16,380
Okay.

186
00:17:16,380 --> 00:17:23,620
So this is a compared to what the initial ask was in the settlement or during the negotiations.

187
00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:30,560
This is very small, but then carry can jump in.

188
00:17:30,860 --> 00:17:33,580
So this is a very major component of this scope work.

189
00:17:33,860 --> 00:17:41,280
I mean, it looks like a lot, but really we're trying to keep minimum impact to the cliff, to the bluff.

190
00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:49,540
Again, it's the native vegetation, the signs, the seeding, and then of course the drinking

191
00:17:49,540 --> 00:17:50,000
fountain.

192
00:17:52,680 --> 00:18:00,160
Again, the native vegetation is two major areas that we're doing this and basically to establish

193
00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:06,920
those, the Caribbean irrigation system for the first year, possibly two years until we

194
00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:13,680
the vegetation that is kept. On the settlement agreement, we have to maintain these for 10 years.

195
00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:23,840
After 10 years, it's kind of silent. So we're... the signs. We already installed on the big sign on the

196
00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:30,740
beach because that one had a 90 days. 90 days timeline. So that one is already on the beach and it's been

197
00:18:30,740 --> 00:18:35,520
here since last year and the other ones are part of this project.

198
00:18:40,350 --> 00:18:48,790
The interpretive sign, again, this one is rather pretty close to the trail that is depicted

199
00:18:48,790 --> 00:18:57,790
on that interpretive sign and this is the kind of rendering of the size.

200
00:19:00,410 --> 00:19:02,610
the city in the trail markers.

201
00:19:04,290 --> 00:19:07,910
So whenever there is like a turn or a fork,

202
00:19:08,570 --> 00:19:12,030
we have trail markers, basically boulders,

203
00:19:12,150 --> 00:19:14,530
you know, that you see throughout the city

204
00:19:14,530 --> 00:19:17,610
and throughout just keeping in line with

205
00:19:18,530 --> 00:19:20,530
what the city looks like right now.

206
00:19:20,830 --> 00:19:23,970
And the benches are basically just a rock.

207
00:19:24,570 --> 00:19:25,670
Let's take a moment here,

208
00:19:25,790 --> 00:19:27,170
I think this would be good opportunity

209
00:19:27,170 --> 00:19:29,230
to kind of share sort of where we started

210
00:19:29,230 --> 00:19:30,590
than where we settled.

211
00:19:31,630 --> 00:19:35,490
Initially, if I'm sure everyone in this room

212
00:19:35,490 --> 00:19:37,210
has been on the Lunata Bay Bluff top,

213
00:19:38,350 --> 00:19:41,650
there are existing dirt trails on there.

214
00:19:41,650 --> 00:19:44,590
You can kind of see them a little bit in there.

215
00:19:44,590 --> 00:19:45,730
They're not going to be dark.

216
00:19:46,270 --> 00:19:48,110
They're just, they're just, they're to make it stand out.

217
00:19:48,430 --> 00:19:51,610
So it's what you see on the image.

218
00:19:52,490 --> 00:19:54,650
Initially, the plaintiffs wanted those to be cement.

219
00:19:56,490 --> 00:19:59,090
Then they came back with decomposed granite

220
00:19:59,090 --> 00:19:59,830
or D.J.

221
00:20:00,210 --> 00:20:16,330
You know, DG is a maintenance nightmare if anyone's ever worked in this field. It's a lot of work to maintain it and takes a lot of water. Then they want to crush these shells and we end up saying it's dirt and it's going to stay dirt and they accepted that.

222
00:20:16,690 --> 00:20:28,630
So the trail is not going to be improved. It's going to stay exactly as it is. One of the things that we got them to agree to leave it dirt is in the upper right hand corner. Those are the native rock show markers.

223
00:20:28,630 --> 00:20:35,270
And the way I've been describing it to everybody is, if you're hiker, you'll see often

224
00:20:35,270 --> 00:20:41,810
times out on a trail, what's called a duck, or a Karen, C-A-I-R-N, and they're just basically

225
00:20:41,810 --> 00:20:43,070
rocks at our trail points.

226
00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:47,090
Sometimes they're stacked up, and it's to let you know what the trail is going.

227
00:20:48,170 --> 00:20:55,270
So we agreed to put out, I counted it, I think it's 12 to 15 rocks, and we partially buried

228
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:58,690
like that strategic location, so people know where the trail is.

229
00:20:59,710 --> 00:21:03,190
So that was in, we gave that in term,

230
00:21:03,490 --> 00:21:07,250
instead of, you know, cross seashells, trail.

231
00:21:08,010 --> 00:21:11,490
The rock sea bench has started as 12 traditional park benches

232
00:21:11,490 --> 00:21:15,550
with a back, throughout that entire thing.

233
00:21:16,090 --> 00:21:22,090
We settled on for what we have in lots of places in the city.

234
00:21:22,350 --> 00:21:24,470
And if you haven't been out there or you have,

235
00:21:24,470 --> 00:21:26,950
Recently, they're already out there.

236
00:21:27,270 --> 00:21:30,490
When I mean by out there, we've already found them and moved them to the location.

237
00:21:32,590 --> 00:21:34,930
Similar to what we see over a bluff cone and they overlooked there.

238
00:21:35,050 --> 00:21:38,190
They're just rocked, PV stone rocks.

239
00:21:39,250 --> 00:21:45,070
Went from 12 to four of those, as what they agreed to on that.

240
00:21:48,670 --> 00:21:52,630
And the trail markers, there's, I think, 32 or 34.

241
00:21:52,630 --> 00:21:53,530
I miss cattle.

242
00:21:53,530 --> 00:21:57,810
Yeah, but I mean, the locations are probably, you probably write the locations, but it's

243
00:21:57,810 --> 00:22:02,230
probably a set of three or four on each location, yeah, something like that.

244
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,640
And then, did everybody find a different subject?

245
00:22:08,460 --> 00:22:14,500
This is a rendering of what the size of the Drinking fountain looks like with compared to

246
00:22:14,500 --> 00:22:19,880
the design that is out there already, and this is not the exact location, but the, you

247
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,800
know, is on that intersection, basically.

248
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:23,720
So, let's talk about the drinking fund.

249
00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:25,660
Why is there a drinking fund out there?

250
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,240
Why is there a dog bowl drinking fund?

251
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:32,260
The goal of the plaintiffs, in this case,

252
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,060
was to make, not a big,

253
00:22:34,140 --> 00:22:36,540
left-up area more inviting and welcoming to visitors.

254
00:22:39,020 --> 00:22:40,260
So, that's where they started

255
00:22:40,260 --> 00:22:42,900
on every single thing they did.

256
00:22:44,780 --> 00:22:50,040
Initially, and this had been around for at least five years,

257
00:22:50,740 --> 00:22:59,660
And it was always a no, and they wanted to sort of, I don't know how to describe it, like a commercial telescope spy glass.

258
00:23:00,100 --> 00:23:03,380
I think they have them at the RPV Whale Interpretive Center.

259
00:23:03,780 --> 00:23:07,220
I like to say, though, the ones you see over in San Francisco on the Warf.

260
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,880
They wanted two of those out on the edge of the Bluffs Tops, so people could look out.

261
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,020
Council had said no to that for years and years and years.

262
00:23:15,020 --> 00:23:23,140
And in the negotiations, they were not moving off of that, both sites, the plaintiffs or the council were not moving off of that.

263
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:33,400
So, we negotiated, and we came up with a water fountain and a dog bowl, and we came up to the interpretive sign that Oscar had shown earlier in the thing.

264
00:23:34,120 --> 00:23:38,720
So, I think that there need to be some context as to why isn't this going there.

265
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:45,820
I'll top to it, during all of this, I spent a lot of time out there just trying to get

266
00:23:45,820 --> 00:23:49,180
a feel for the place and see what would work and what wouldn't work.

267
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,860
And one of the thing they noticed, I saw a lot of residents walking their dogs all throughout

268
00:23:52,860 --> 00:23:53,740
the bluff top.

269
00:23:53,980 --> 00:24:00,420
I talked to a lot of residents, I asked them about it, and people liked the idea, I know not

270
00:24:00,420 --> 00:24:05,560
everyone loves the idea, but people did like the idea of being able to get some water on

271
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:05,800
that.

272
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:10,060
I will also say that I met with several residents today regarding the location.

273
00:24:10,900 --> 00:24:17,960
You know, if you look on this map here down in the lower right-hand corner under that square,

274
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,860
that was really the focal point of what the plaintiff were focusing on.

275
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:24,200
They wanted that to be the main area.

276
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:32,980
And the consent to create a settlement specifically says that the drinking fountain needs to be near

277
00:24:32,980 --> 00:24:35,800
Marola and and Paseo Del Mar.

278
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:44,580
Even though they are constantly inquiring with me and threatening to sue and take us back to court,

279
00:24:45,820 --> 00:24:56,460
I've committed to reopening this conversation about moving the dog watering the water bowl and the drinking fountain to a different location,

280
00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,860
to be named later because I don't want those neighbors to show up.

281
00:25:01,780 --> 00:25:04,020
But thanks, thanks for the courtesy.

282
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,460
We'll look into it. But remember, we do have a timeline on this.

283
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:16,040
And so it's to me it's very important to get this approved as is with the commitment that we will reopen.

284
00:25:16,700 --> 00:25:28,080
And hopefully they'll be open to it. The same is going to be said for the interpretive sign, the location, although that they insistent on everything sort of focusing on that lower right hand corner area.

285
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:29,700
We think we've found a better location.

286
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:32,480
The good news on that interpretive sign is our own staff

287
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,960
is going to be installing that.

288
00:25:34,540 --> 00:25:37,540
So if we install it in one location and then the plane of sale,

289
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,820
you can move it.

290
00:25:40,100 --> 00:25:40,780
We can do it ourselves.

291
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:42,640
The drinking funds a little bit more complicated.

292
00:25:43,020 --> 00:25:45,500
So I can't make any commitments on that right now.

293
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,780
But I commit to try.

294
00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:52,060
I think that they're looking for any reason to reopen this.

295
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,140
So OK.

296
00:25:56,430 --> 00:25:58,690
This last slide is something that, of course,

297
00:25:58,690 --> 00:26:04,650
considering the views of this corridor was considered during the design process and kind

298
00:26:04,650 --> 00:26:10,270
of that shows the vegetation. That's why it's going to be all native kind of vegetation

299
00:26:10,270 --> 00:26:18,390
and you can see the minimum vegetation height. Right there compared to where the road is

300
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:20,690
And, you know, the residencies.

301
00:26:23,150 --> 00:26:30,530
To that real quick, in the settlement, it says that the vegetation cannot block residents of use.

302
00:26:31,370 --> 00:26:38,950
We are required, as Oscar said, to maintain this for 10 years, that's going to be an add on to our landscape contract.

303
00:26:39,330 --> 00:26:44,830
But we can definitely, although what this, what do we call this cross section?

304
00:26:45,630 --> 00:26:50,470
shows, you know, we anticipate not letting it grow higher than four or five feet and

305
00:26:50,470 --> 00:26:51,810
maintaining it regularly.

306
00:26:52,190 --> 00:27:02,400
I will just add that it says the content to increase as President

307
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,660
interviews shall not be permanently blocked. So temporary blockage is permitted.

308
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:09,740
But just there's that.

309
00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:11,580
I will add that we're not going to do temporary.

310
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,120
I think that's the end of this slide.

311
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,360
Yes, that's the last slide.

312
00:27:21,620 --> 00:27:24,720
One thing I do want to, even even on maintenance

313
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,240
Contractor landscape, he doesn't love the idea of adding more rocks over there,

314
00:27:29,500 --> 00:27:32,920
because it makes it really easy for us to maintain the plough

315
00:27:33,540 --> 00:27:35,980
with no obstructions when we go through there.

316
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,920
So that's another thing, but it's something we agree to.

317
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:49,040
I've been out for questions, one other thing, and I remember, oh, so Cheryl, maybe be ready

318
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,720
to bail me out here.

319
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:54,100
Tonight's item is a coastal development permit.

320
00:27:54,680 --> 00:28:00,740
We were operating that this project would be exempt from having to do this.

321
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:07,680
We did have a conversation with the planners at the Coastal Commission, and I don't know.

322
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:13,340
Maybe they are snowing me, but they seemed empathetic, but they said we have to go through this step.

323
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:22,440
You know, this first came to council of the conceptual design in March 2025 and has been back to council three or four times.

324
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:32,500
I did have a meeting with the Lunar Bay HOA, a public meeting out of that coffee place, and brought a board that I have that's a bigger version of the conceptual approval.

325
00:28:32,500 --> 00:28:36,120
I've met with lots of residents about this.

326
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,900
There's no doubt that, you know, I'll admit to two things.

327
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:42,680
I will say that we could have done a much better job

328
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,800
communicating all the intricacies of this project.

329
00:28:46,820 --> 00:28:49,940
I think you understand how complicated this project is

330
00:28:49,940 --> 00:28:51,920
after sort of I jumped in.

331
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,720
So I will equally admit that we could have always done a better job

332
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,460
and I will also say in my 25 years,

333
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,260
rarely has a community economy and said,

334
00:29:01,260 --> 00:29:03,800
Wow, what a great job communicating this project, you know.

335
00:29:04,300 --> 00:29:06,100
I tell this story, I always share it.

336
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:07,080
I love my stories.

337
00:29:08,180 --> 00:29:10,380
Way back when I was in charge of communication

338
00:29:10,380 --> 00:29:11,600
for City of Wesley Fiddler.

339
00:29:11,620 --> 00:29:13,120
We were doing a major project.

340
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,120
And I was in charge of any time

341
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,180
they made road close down for this project.

342
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:18,660
I had to get a notification out.

343
00:29:18,700 --> 00:29:19,760
This is pre-social media.

344
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,260
We've sent out emails to residents.

345
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,820
Just remember one time, the road was closing.

346
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:27,620
I went, I sent out the message,

347
00:29:28,060 --> 00:29:29,220
and I got my card to go to lunch,

348
00:29:29,220 --> 00:29:31,360
and I immediately turned into the road closure,

349
00:29:31,820 --> 00:29:33,320
because I forgot in the five seconds

350
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:34,460
from walking to my car.

351
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:35,740
And it taught me something.

352
00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:37,000
It says, no matter how much you know,

353
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:39,840
and I knew everything, you still cannot over-communicate.

354
00:29:40,940 --> 00:29:42,240
So we could have done better.

355
00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:44,720
I don't know if we could have done perfect,

356
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,760
but we definitely could have done better on this.

357
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:52,940
Tonight, is the last step we need in order to start the project.

358
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,220
The Coastal Commission has indicated that the project,

359
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,500
as it stands, they won't be appealing it.

360
00:29:58,500 --> 00:29:59,780
I'm going to accept it.

361
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:15,900
You know, we can work on whatever changes I spoke to some of them, but we want the risk of we have a lot of different threats on both sides of this and we're essentially ready to go.

362
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,600
That's all we got.

363
00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:21,640
Okay. Thank you for that, Mr. Antillian, you're done as well.

364
00:30:22,220 --> 00:30:27,120
Okay, is anyone have any questions or want to jump in questions for staff or Mr. Coleman?

365
00:30:33,030 --> 00:30:41,730
question on the maintenance of the vegetation that you're putting in. You said that the city

366
00:30:41,730 --> 00:30:46,610
has to maintain it for 10 years at a certain level and then after 10 years is up to the

367
00:30:46,610 --> 00:30:54,850
residents to do that and I asked that because there's one I think it's called the Lemonade

368
00:30:54,850 --> 00:31:02,270
Barry Rush, that when I was on Parklands, the residents wanted, they were responsible for

369
00:31:02,270 --> 00:31:04,070
trimming that, keeping it down.

370
00:31:04,090 --> 00:31:05,110
They had to pay for it.

371
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:08,110
They had to come to Parklands and get permits and do the whole thing.

372
00:31:08,410 --> 00:31:12,930
Is that the case now, or is the city's going to maintain it for 10 years and then it's up

373
00:31:12,930 --> 00:31:13,410
to the residents?

374
00:31:13,870 --> 00:31:14,390
No, no, no.

375
00:31:14,390 --> 00:31:15,230
I think that.

376
00:31:15,490 --> 00:31:16,810
So a couple things there.

377
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:19,750
I'll let Oscar talk if he wants about maintenance.

378
00:31:21,850 --> 00:31:26,350
The tenure maintenance on it, I think, was put in there by the plaintiffs, so we don't

379
00:31:26,350 --> 00:31:27,730
just build it and abandon it.

380
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:30,290
To look, we satisfied the consent to create and we walked away.

381
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:35,850
We need this, we have to keep this thing in good condition for 10 years.

382
00:31:36,610 --> 00:31:40,970
I don't see any reason why after investing in this 10 years or now, we would walk away from

383
00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:41,310
it.

384
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:43,930
There's no residence to take over.

385
00:31:43,990 --> 00:31:44,950
This is city property.

386
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:49,730
I understand, but it does, if it gets up to 10 feet, like it had in this part,

387
00:31:49,730 --> 00:31:52,490
I mean, the local military question year or so ago, it was up.

388
00:31:52,510 --> 00:31:53,910
It was impeding on their view.

389
00:31:54,510 --> 00:31:55,170
It was impeding.

390
00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:55,610
It was peding.

391
00:31:55,730 --> 00:31:58,410
The city doesn't have the money to go out and maintain that.

392
00:31:58,490 --> 00:31:59,050
We know that.

393
00:31:59,590 --> 00:32:01,030
So the resident had to do it.

394
00:32:01,190 --> 00:32:05,570
They had to submit the pirates and then hire a benet or whoever to go out and do it.

395
00:32:05,610 --> 00:32:06,670
Is that what's going to happen?

396
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:07,370
No, 10 years.

397
00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:07,970
No.

398
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:09,030
I look.

399
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:10,110
No.

400
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:16,370
We envision this as being a community of menatee and something that the city will

401
00:32:16,370 --> 00:32:22,690
maintain forever. I mean, I can't tell you what's going to happen in 10 years, but I can

402
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:30,630
tell you that this will become part of our regular landscaping as long as we're able

403
00:32:30,630 --> 00:32:39,190
to pay our bills, we will maintain it. I don't think that anybody on staff or the city council

404
00:32:40,250 --> 00:32:48,650
ever wants to. We're trying to make this as little and less impactful as possible.

405
00:32:51,230 --> 00:32:56,730
So, like I said, I can't tell it's going to have in 10 years, but I don't see any reason why we had abandoned it and letting go.

406
00:32:57,530 --> 00:33:03,250
We fully intend. Now, if there's a plant type that has problems, we can talk about that.

407
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:08,210
And I think those are things that can be moved around. I don't think plant types were necessarily part of it.

408
00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:11,730
The settlement agreement, but I'll let Oscar talk a little bit.

409
00:33:12,070 --> 00:33:14,770
I don't know if you were able to get up to speed on some of that stuff.

410
00:33:15,510 --> 00:33:20,550
Well, I mean, specifically to the lemonberry, that's a nety plan that is very good

411
00:33:21,450 --> 00:33:23,650
to hold up cleafs like this.

412
00:33:24,190 --> 00:33:25,890
It does well on the coastal environment.

413
00:33:26,090 --> 00:33:27,290
So that's why it was chosen.

414
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:32,830
But if it does, like Kerry said, I think we will maintain it.

415
00:33:32,830 --> 00:33:37,030
We will maintain it to a certain height, whatever the height we decide to do.

416
00:33:37,030 --> 00:33:40,910
like we do in front of the of City Hall right here, okay?

417
00:33:41,390 --> 00:33:45,030
But I was getting to that is that after ten years,

418
00:33:45,590 --> 00:33:47,810
the plans died, you know,

419
00:33:48,290 --> 00:33:52,330
as you know, we're not going to invest more money into

420
00:33:52,330 --> 00:33:55,370
restublishing the irrigation system and all of that.

421
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:57,590
That's what I was trying to get at.

422
00:33:58,310 --> 00:33:59,610
But maintaining it once is established,

423
00:33:59,830 --> 00:34:03,050
I think we will continue to until, you know.

424
00:34:03,450 --> 00:34:03,710
Okay.

425
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:06,350
I'm just a couple more questions.

426
00:34:07,290 --> 00:34:13,830
This area is you're inviting people to come, to learn a band, see it, and this has already

427
00:34:13,830 --> 00:34:14,290
been noted.

428
00:34:14,510 --> 00:34:14,890
It's busy.

429
00:34:15,070 --> 00:34:16,890
I'm there all the time walking my dog.

430
00:34:17,430 --> 00:34:18,010
And there's people.

431
00:34:18,350 --> 00:34:21,650
I mean, I noticed you guys have those benches that you've moved there yesterday.

432
00:34:21,910 --> 00:34:23,310
There was nothing against them.

433
00:34:23,350 --> 00:34:26,310
There was like 16agers sitting on these benches already.

434
00:34:26,490 --> 00:34:29,930
They haven't even been placed smoking and putting out their butts and things.

435
00:34:30,850 --> 00:34:34,530
I was smoking, there's smoking is illegal in the city of

436
00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:35,290
Palters of the States.

437
00:34:35,610 --> 00:34:37,930
Well, at least call the police, they will come out and tick at them.

438
00:34:38,730 --> 00:34:40,590
I'm sure you've seen the butts in that.

439
00:34:40,970 --> 00:34:43,370
Yeah, but if you see it, anybody sees it, call us.

440
00:34:43,530 --> 00:34:46,290
I've been with our police department with a shock that they want to.

441
00:34:46,290 --> 00:34:48,170
Oh, I mean, you'd be shocked if you could take a seat out there.

442
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:53,210
I saw a couple one day with a Habachi grilling full on lobster.

443
00:34:53,470 --> 00:34:53,930
I did.

444
00:34:54,530 --> 00:34:58,690
I'm that type of Karen, but I did do that, and they said they would come out.

445
00:34:58,690 --> 00:34:59,970
But I guess my question.

446
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:12,320
And is a city going to provide more trash areas. This trash is always overflowing. Is there going to be more police patrols to come by and see?

447
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:18,180
I mean, we've all seen the gender reveals there with the plastic that goes everywhere and we've seen the engagement things.

448
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:26,140
You're inviting more people to come to these cliffs and I know you have to do that. I'm just asking the city is what kind of commitment to the residents are you making.

449
00:35:26,140 --> 00:35:33,120
And my recommendation initially is not to install more infrastructure that will make it more public.

450
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:38,940
Like, putting out more trash cans out there, that makes it more like, you know, like a trip park.

451
00:35:39,620 --> 00:35:47,400
Right now is, if you're in by coming to this city, the expectations is that you leave the place as you find it, or better, right?

452
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:54,780
And so that's, we start, I think, that way, because that's what you said, the expectations for the visitors, you know?

453
00:35:54,780 --> 00:36:09,660
There are some visitors that behave really well, and there's others that don't, but if we put a lot of infrastructure out there, not only we need to maintain it, but we invite people to actually utilize and that's the expectations that they will have.

454
00:36:09,660 --> 00:36:25,100
Let me address the gender reveals and the engagement engagements and whatnot, so we are completely aware of those and let me try to explain some of the challenges that we have with that.

455
00:36:25,420 --> 00:36:38,340
The first is this is public land, so somebody's out there and they are doing a gender reveal and they're not bringing in structures or hiring a third party to operate it.

456
00:36:38,340 --> 00:36:45,300
They have every right to be out there, and there are plenty of agencies and laws that won't allow us to tell people know they cannot be there.

457
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,420
If they're putting structures down, that is a encroachment permit violation.

458
00:36:52,200 --> 00:37:01,540
So we have, and we can, but we don't often open up a code enforcement case on that and start chasing them down.

459
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:08,660
They're usually one and done, they're usually operated by a third party company.

460
00:37:09,780 --> 00:37:14,900
When we go out and address these, we're said, oh, we're not a third party company, I'm

461
00:37:14,900 --> 00:37:15,600
there cousin.

462
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,600
It happens all the time.

463
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:25,840
One of the things that we have a very limited staff and we try really hard to take care of what

464
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:28,600
we can't take care of but not create more problems for everybody.

465
00:37:30,900 --> 00:37:37,600
Where this really kind of reached a tipping point was the roster gazebo over by the beach

466
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,000
club.

467
00:37:38,980 --> 00:37:43,520
So we started Cheryl and George and a bunch of people cash came up with a really great idea

468
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:49,660
and we did a pilot program where we started permitting that initially we took a lot of heat

469
00:37:49,660 --> 00:37:53,680
from residents that didn't like the fact that we were permitting this and allowing people

470
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,000
to be out there.

471
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,480
But it's a public space.

472
00:37:56,480 --> 00:38:03,120
So, as part of that permit, we put restrictions on it, we put, you can't have, you can't have

473
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:03,820
link candles.

474
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,940
If you're going to put a structure down, you have to get a certain type of permit.

475
00:38:07,300 --> 00:38:10,380
If you're using a third party, you need to have a business license.

476
00:38:11,460 --> 00:38:12,660
That has been very successful.

477
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,140
People said, well, it's a revenue opportunity.

478
00:38:16,620 --> 00:38:17,220
Sure it is.

479
00:38:17,260 --> 00:38:19,820
But to us, it's more about kind of the Oscars point.

480
00:38:20,180 --> 00:38:25,420
Leave this area how you found it and treat our public space with respect.

481
00:38:25,420 --> 00:38:27,500
And it's worked for the most part.

482
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,200
We don't have code enforcement on the weekends,

483
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,320
and all of these happen on the weekends.

484
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:34,840
So our police department goes out.

485
00:38:35,220 --> 00:38:36,840
But they will say, and I was very frustrated

486
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:38,640
when I got this answer from the police department,

487
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,100
we're not going to go break up in engagement or a wedding.

488
00:38:43,500 --> 00:38:46,180
And if you wonder why, I can send you a video

489
00:38:46,180 --> 00:38:49,080
or just Google police department breaks up wedding,

490
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,100
you can see what a terrible look that is for the community

491
00:38:52,100 --> 00:38:55,540
and that police department and sort of the violence that that could lead to.

492
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:59,420
However, our police department will come out and they will inquire about a permit over the

493
00:38:59,420 --> 00:39:03,840
gazebo. If they'd have a permit, great. They don't ever permit. They'll just take down some

494
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:09,880
information and we do follow up and it's worked out really well. I'm reluctant to open this

495
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:15,440
up on the bluff tops, not just Lunar Bay, all the bluff top areas because I just think that

496
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:21,480
now by permitting it, kind of to Oscar's point, we're encouraging more of it.

497
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,240
So it was a fine line that we're walking on this.

498
00:39:24,300 --> 00:39:29,160
I understand, and I think we understand that, but I don't live too far from the

499
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:29,400
bluffs.

500
00:39:29,720 --> 00:39:33,400
And so when you're down there all the time, it's just you can imagine more people

501
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:38,080
coming, more cars coming, or parking, there are already going really fast around that

502
00:39:38,080 --> 00:39:38,420
turn.

503
00:39:38,900 --> 00:39:44,900
It just makes us nervous, and is there a plan for the police to patrol more and to be more

504
00:39:44,900 --> 00:39:45,560
on top of it?

505
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:50,860
Well, I think the Lunar Bay Bluffs top is a huge area that the police are already aware of.

506
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:58,400
Um, you know, we were out there doing one of our sweeps when time and, um, one of the

507
00:39:58,400 --> 00:39:59,980
babes showed up and started, they didn't know.

508
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:05,080
We know that we were with the city. They didn't know that Luke was the chief because he was in plainclothes on purpose.

509
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:09,280
And they started chirping at us and asking us to come talk to them and all this stuff.

510
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,020
And the police came and talked to them. So the series very well known.

511
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:21,080
But your point is, well, taken in that, you know, if things start to ramp up, that's how that's the beauty of having our own police department.

512
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:28,000
So we can direct them where we want them to go. I know there's been talked that during COVID this week came a big area for people to come, especially with RVs.

513
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,900
City Council took action and you can't park RVs out there and I know it's enforced.

514
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:40,960
I was asked today if with those four stone rock benches can people sleep on them.

515
00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:45,540
And, you know, just for everyone to know, up until very recently,

516
00:40:46,060 --> 00:40:49,060
the city could not enforce camping ordinances.

517
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:52,860
I was either the state or the federal level where you couldn't,

518
00:40:52,860 --> 00:40:56,100
you couldn't ban camping in open space areas.

519
00:40:56,100 --> 00:41:03,080
There was that was over rule by the Supreme Court and since that time, we've passed an ordinance that bands camping in the city.

520
00:41:03,500 --> 00:41:12,840
So if people are spending the night out there, our police department will, they have now the right and the ability to move them along and or you know violate them.

521
00:41:14,860 --> 00:41:20,480
But so yes, the answer is yes, they're fully aware of this and it's definitely an area of patrol.

522
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,800
I know we have other questions.

523
00:41:22,980 --> 00:41:26,560
I do want to pause real quick and ask city staff in the city attorney about the point of order

524
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,100
here because I know typically when we have an applicant they get five minutes before and

525
00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:34,860
after and then we do public comment in between so I didn't know we're deviating from that.

526
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:35,600
Three minutes.

527
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,600
All the people that's smithed cards, it would be three minutes.

528
00:41:40,620 --> 00:41:43,120
Oscar, do you have anything further to say?

529
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:45,040
At this point, Kerry.

530
00:41:46,060 --> 00:41:48,220
So I think we have more questions up here.

531
00:41:48,380 --> 00:41:50,080
I'm not going to I don't want to rush that part of it.

532
00:41:50,080 --> 00:42:01,040
And then we'll open up the public comment period and then we'll be able to, the city will be able to address any comments that are brought up by the public before we closed the public hearing is that agreeable by the city attorney as well.

533
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:08,680
Okay, we want to make sure everyone gets heard and all the questions get answered and we leave with with everyone mostly unhappy but happy.

534
00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:12,820
So, vice chair Nendick, did you want to go next?

535
00:42:12,820 --> 00:42:15,740
or Commissioner Kashi, do you have any questions?

536
00:42:21,100 --> 00:42:21,160
So,

537
00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:31,950
the report recommends a temporary irrigation system for six months, and the geotec report,

538
00:42:35,140 --> 00:42:36,100
the better,

539
00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:47,780
and the geotec report recommends not letting the surface water of the

540
00:42:47,780 --> 00:42:57,000
the cliff. What are we doing about it? During that six months. It's going to be manually

541
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:01,320
operated, so somebody's going to be actually when we turn the water on, somebody's going

542
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:09,620
to be there. And then there's another recommendation that there shouldn't be any of these

543
00:43:09,620 --> 00:43:19,400
improvements within the first 25 feet from the Bluff top line, did the engineer confirm this in the plans?

544
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:24,140
Yes, we'll confirm that as well.

545
00:43:25,140 --> 00:43:26,400
Thank you.

546
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:28,180
All right, Vice Chair Nendick.

547
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,740
I have a few questions, sorry.

548
00:43:32,460 --> 00:43:36,100
First of all, you know, our data was kind of sparse.

549
00:43:36,100 --> 00:43:44,040
So when you read these things, you hear about the trail, the buff trail, the middle trail, the North Trail, the Goat Trail.

550
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,460
Can you show us where these trails are? So we know what we're talking about.

551
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:51,600
Because our plans don't really call out these things out.

552
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,520
So in the beginning, I was thinking, the South Trail must be the end of it.

553
00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:03,600
And this agreement says that the left-top trail ends at via Anacapa and Paseo Lannada.

554
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:09,700
So is the south end down there? Where are these trails so that everyone knows what we're talking about?

555
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:15,060
So the trails are what is established actually right now and then that photo right there?

556
00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:17,800
That's probably the best depiction.

557
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:24,800
The trails here basically that is on top of the established trails.

558
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,780
We're not changing where the trails are right now.

559
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,680
Were you all currently? That's all we're doing.

560
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,540
We're saying these are the established trails. This is it.

561
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:40,720
Yes, but what is the South Trail? What is the Goat Trail? What is the North Trail? What I mean?

562
00:44:42,740 --> 00:44:50,360
I can't create a map with specifics. I don't have it on this presentation. It's probably

563
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,840
on the, I don't remember if we called in names on the design.

564
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:56,760
Well, it's in the agreement that's correct.

565
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,960
And you just show the approximate locations on I know this.

566
00:45:02,780 --> 00:45:08,460
So the south trail goes away from the bluff top. This is what it's hard to understand.

567
00:45:08,720 --> 00:45:15,360
Well, okay, when you say south trail, I think you're I didn't, I'm thinking about the trail down to the beach.

568
00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:17,640
Well, that's what I'm wondering, is that what they are?

569
00:45:17,940 --> 00:45:24,880
Yeah, the south trail is the trail down to the beach that's down in the square area.

570
00:45:25,620 --> 00:45:39,760
That's the area that is the main, well, the only sort of, I guess suggested access down to the beach.

571
00:45:39,860 --> 00:45:42,400
That's the box that we see on this picture up here.

572
00:45:42,540 --> 00:45:43,480
Yeah, down at the bottom.

573
00:45:44,260 --> 00:45:50,820
The goat trail, I don't know if it shows on here, but I know the approximate location.

574
00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:54,140
And I'll just probably been down and he's kind of a goat.

575
00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:58,080
It's where that safety sign is, that's the goat trail.

576
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,740
That is of the two options to get down to the bottom.

577
00:46:01,740 --> 00:46:04,260
That is the least desirable way to get down.

578
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:12,200
So that's where it says, on the agreement, in addition, landscaping is reference of

579
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,520
I've shall be maintained to direct users away from the middle trail, the goat trail.

580
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:22,320
it's it's the landscaping is to direct them down to where the square is down at the bottom

581
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:33,280
showing that as a as an area okay that was the intent okay um I

582
00:46:39,130 --> 00:46:40,190
guess because when I read

583
00:46:40,190 --> 00:46:48,620
what the whole trail was all the way to uh for sale and not I was wondering where the benches were all

584
00:46:48,620 --> 00:46:53,880
right there on for sale down there rather than spreading them a little bit further

585
00:46:55,360 --> 00:47:01,320
is there a reason how you chose the locations of the rock benches?

586
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:09,920
Did the same team did all of the placement we reviewed that and we agreed it was kind of similar to what we have in other locations.

587
00:47:13,100 --> 00:47:19,200
The way I get confused, it's per the conditions landscaping is to be planted to direct visitors away from the cliffs.

588
00:47:19,200 --> 00:47:22,220
So I'm wondering why we're putting the seat benches on the cliffs.

589
00:47:22,940 --> 00:47:27,960
A lot of places where you go typically seat benches around the east side of the path,

590
00:47:28,460 --> 00:47:34,560
because if the kids run into the bench to go sit, and it's right at the cliff, it's pretty scary.

591
00:47:35,100 --> 00:47:39,220
I mean, I know I'm older, but when you walk to the edge there, it's pretty tight.

592
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,940
So that's kind of what I'm wondering is that, because when I see the picture from the agreement,

593
00:47:45,940 --> 00:47:49,860
And they have a lot of the benches on the north side of the path as well.

594
00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:59,900
Not, not that I know, we know it was just the same as completed in March, just before I

595
00:47:59,900 --> 00:48:00,640
got here.

596
00:48:00,780 --> 00:48:06,380
Well, I'm just looking at, in the agreement, I just printed out this picture, so that's

597
00:48:06,380 --> 00:48:08,740
what I was kind of looking at trying to understand.

598
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:17,280
I, what I can tell you is, we're going to be in an effort to save money on the cost.

599
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,040
We're going to be placing the benches.

600
00:48:19,740 --> 00:48:21,560
There's four of them out there right now.

601
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,200
That's a temporary location.

602
00:48:23,740 --> 00:48:24,740
We'll be placing them.

603
00:48:24,740 --> 00:48:28,540
Obviously, we're not going to put them up against the cliff.

604
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:31,620
So if it makes sense to move them back,

605
00:48:31,940 --> 00:48:33,140
we will, in fact, out there today,

606
00:48:33,340 --> 00:48:35,480
we already found a location that we liked better.

607
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,260
Okay, just because when I read how they're mounting,

608
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:41,720
then they have to dig holes.

609
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:44,380
And so there's a base for it, which makes sense,

610
00:48:44,460 --> 00:48:45,140
so they don't move.

611
00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:49,280
but you don't want to do that near the cliff, but everything is right at cliff, everything

612
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,860
I read in this agreement, say, you're trying to draw people away from the cliff edge

613
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:53,840
to the path.

614
00:48:54,060 --> 00:48:54,740
So that's.

615
00:48:54,860 --> 00:48:55,040
Right.

616
00:48:55,420 --> 00:48:59,260
When we place the benches, if it doesn't make sense, we're not married to these locations.

617
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:01,480
This is general ideas of where they'll go.

618
00:49:02,380 --> 00:49:05,960
There will be, there will be set back from the cliff at a good distance.

619
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:06,780
Okay.

620
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,140
The next question is about the water fountain.

621
00:49:11,140 --> 00:49:15,660
I understand we have to have a water fountain and a dog ball.

622
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:22,760
I don't understand why we're doing a bottle filler because the bottle filler makes this

623
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:31,540
thing much bigger and in the picture from the agreement it shows it's just a fountain and

624
00:49:31,540 --> 00:49:40,340
a dog filler but then it didn't say what kind of what brand this is but I found the same

625
00:49:40,340 --> 00:49:46,140
specs and the bottle filler makes it much taller. So I'm just wondering why we went to put

626
00:49:46,140 --> 00:49:50,720
a bottle filler in as well when the agreement doesn't require that.

627
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:55,660
I don't have any answer that question.

628
00:49:56,180 --> 00:49:59,960
Okay, well I'm just saying, these are people who are worried about the visual impact.

629
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,920
And when you get up to 55 inches, I think it's a fair question that I was trying to understand.

630
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:15,400
Sure. The plans reference that there's a bluff edge setback. Do we know what the required setback is on the bluff edge?

631
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,860
The plans? There's a bluff. No, I don't.

632
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:26,760
And what about they also say there's a minimum distance from the cliff that any work can be done? Do we know that dimension?

633
00:50:27,720 --> 00:50:29,360
I'm just taking this off the plants.

634
00:50:29,720 --> 00:50:32,820
The recommendation on the geotech report is 25 feet.

635
00:50:33,100 --> 00:50:38,160
So is that saying that none of this will be within done within 25 feet of the cliff?

636
00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:39,540
Yes.

637
00:50:49,860 --> 00:50:52,940
Just to clarify, are you looking at this document right here?

638
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,740
This was the sketch by the plaintiff's.

639
00:50:55,160 --> 00:50:59,100
And looking at that, it looks like there's two benches on the street side of the trail.

640
00:50:59,220 --> 00:51:03,000
And there's two benches on the shoreline side of the trail.

641
00:51:04,700 --> 00:51:09,680
Well, I see three and two, so I'm not just, I'm just trying to understand when everything

642
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:13,660
I'm reading in this is we want to preserve the cliffs and the goal is, pull people away

643
00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:17,380
from the cliffs, why we're then putting the benches right next to the cliff, everything

644
00:51:17,380 --> 00:51:18,060
right next to the cliff.

645
00:51:18,140 --> 00:51:22,160
It's a great point and it's something that when we're out there placing them, we'll be able

646
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,540
to place them in what makes them most sense.

647
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:25,580
Okay.

648
00:51:27,220 --> 00:51:30,660
I guess I should ask the city of attorney, what's our role here in this?

649
00:51:30,660 --> 00:51:34,000
What is the purpose of the planning commission in this?

650
00:51:37,210 --> 00:51:42,670
So the settlement agreement states that the planning

651
00:51:42,670 --> 00:51:47,210
commission and the city council should be able to review

652
00:51:47,210 --> 00:51:50,710
this coastal development permit for the projects on its own

653
00:51:50,710 --> 00:51:51,710
merits and independently.

654
00:51:52,450 --> 00:51:56,230
However, there are many layers involved in this.

655
00:51:56,750 --> 00:52:00,750
And so that's something that one, the coastal commission,

656
00:52:00,750 --> 00:52:04,770
has requested and to that it's expected in the settlement agreement.

657
00:52:06,310 --> 00:52:13,970
So the commission here can, if necessary, and I think, you know, you're also considering

658
00:52:14,570 --> 00:52:20,910
the reopening of litigation, which is also reserved in the settlement agreement if the

659
00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:25,250
city with hold a approval of this project.

660
00:52:28,410 --> 00:52:29,210
Right.

661
00:52:29,210 --> 00:52:36,950
conditions correct. So that's so the way to make conditions and you know we strongly recommend

662
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:44,850
to accept the project as is. However, keeping in mind the commission does maintain its independent

663
00:52:44,850 --> 00:52:45,450
authority.

664
00:52:47,470 --> 00:52:52,410
The conditions can be imposed only if necessary to meet one of the mandatory findings.

665
00:52:52,410 --> 00:52:55,330
The findings, and the calls that are listed for the Coastal Commission.

666
00:52:56,590 --> 00:52:56,730
Great.

667
00:52:57,010 --> 00:52:57,490
Thanks.

668
00:52:59,390 --> 00:53:03,570
Then once again, let's talk about the irrigation later.

669
00:53:06,070 --> 00:53:07,050
Vice-chardonnay, Nick.

670
00:53:07,050 --> 00:53:11,410
May I just ask one follow-up question on that since we're on the topic of what's it stake here?

671
00:53:11,670 --> 00:53:13,690
So what happens after this?

672
00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:16,130
Let's say it's approved today with conditions or not?

673
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:19,270
Does it go to City Council then next at the next meeting?

674
00:53:19,270 --> 00:53:24,810
or is this the final reform before you resummit to the plaintiffs and the Coastal Commission?

675
00:53:24,970 --> 00:53:31,290
What happens at this point, once the appeal period's over, then it's forwarded to the Coastal

676
00:53:31,290 --> 00:53:36,870
Commission, then the Coastal Commission has to write to appeal to the project. But our understanding

677
00:53:36,870 --> 00:53:45,310
with there's been many discussions regarding the current project that they're very happy with

678
00:53:45,310 --> 00:53:49,970
project as long as no changes are made to the project.

679
00:53:51,950 --> 00:53:57,990
So, how do we deal with the fact that we're being told by Oscar that any improvements

680
00:53:57,990 --> 00:54:04,870
all this has to be 25 feet away from the cliff edge, but the plans don't show that

681
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:05,490
that distance.

682
00:54:07,390 --> 00:54:10,530
We can confirm that when we're starting the construction.

683
00:54:17,810 --> 00:54:19,070
That's all my questions for staff.

684
00:54:19,170 --> 00:54:19,530
Thank you.

685
00:54:19,570 --> 00:54:21,470
Thank you.

686
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:24,250
No questions at this time.

687
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:24,650
All right.

688
00:54:24,770 --> 00:54:28,110
I think we'll get to opening up the public hearing here.

689
00:54:28,330 --> 00:54:31,990
I just wanted to ask one follow-up question to the city attorney about.

690
00:54:32,670 --> 00:54:34,070
There is a hard deadline.

691
00:54:34,350 --> 00:54:35,690
I believe the work to be completed.

692
00:54:35,890 --> 00:54:37,890
Can you state what that is?

693
00:54:37,970 --> 00:54:39,830
That is September 16th.

694
00:54:39,830 --> 00:54:41,830
September 16th, 2026.

695
00:54:43,070 --> 00:54:46,530
And that is to install the signs, to install the landscaping,

696
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:48,950
situate the benches and install the water station.

697
00:54:49,350 --> 00:54:49,730
Correct.

698
00:54:49,730 --> 00:54:59,970
Okay, and then what what is back to my other question about what what is at stake if if we missed that deadline you you mentioned possibly

699
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:06,140
We'll re-lidigation a re-opening of litigation, which could potentially open up different

700
00:55:06,140 --> 00:55:07,540
settlement amount, right?

701
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:17,420
Not a different settlement, settlement amount, it'll be its own separate action for a breach

702
00:55:17,420 --> 00:55:22,140
of a settlement agreement, and then on top of that, the Coastal Commission could also impose

703
00:55:22,140 --> 00:55:29,040
penalties, and on top of that, the plaintiff's attorneys could request recovery of their

704
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:31,640
Thank you.

705
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:32,140
All right.

706
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:34,560
Any other questions before we open up the public hearing?

707
00:55:35,220 --> 00:55:35,320
All right.

708
00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:35,900
Hearing none.

709
00:55:36,060 --> 00:55:36,960
We have a number of cards.

710
00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:40,500
And when I call your name, please step up to the podium on your left there.

711
00:55:40,500 --> 00:55:43,700
And make sure you speak directly into the microphone and state your name.

712
00:55:43,700 --> 00:55:45,000
And then you will have three minutes.

713
00:55:45,540 --> 00:55:46,680
There's a clock up here.

714
00:55:46,700 --> 00:55:48,860
And a clock over our shoulder over here.

715
00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:50,980
We will start with Gary Houston.

716
00:55:51,220 --> 00:55:53,180
Followed by Lori Carlson.

717
00:56:08,050 --> 00:56:08,350
Thank you.

718
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:09,550
My name is Gary Houston.

719
00:56:09,550 --> 00:56:13,830
I live at 409 Avenue, Amirola, two houses, back from the cliffs.

720
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:21,350
I had the opportunity to meet with City Manager and staff today at 230.

721
00:56:21,590 --> 00:56:25,070
We discussed some issues we understood how you got here.

722
00:56:25,610 --> 00:56:30,850
I think listening to the discussion specifically by Ms Nendick, I think that the plans

723
00:56:30,850 --> 00:56:38,190
that have been studied and presented to us do not represent what is required relative

724
00:56:38,190 --> 00:56:39,010
to the setbacks.

725
00:56:39,010 --> 00:56:45,670
I'm very concerned that the attitude is going to be will-build it and come see what we've built.

726
00:56:46,270 --> 00:56:49,770
That does not sound like an action that you should take.

727
00:56:50,470 --> 00:57:02,650
Separately, changing gears, the area that they're trying to energize, if you will, it becomes almost like an attractive nuisance, it becomes a park.

728
00:57:02,650 --> 00:57:10,050
It becomes an area where by nature of the design, bringing people towards that one corner,

729
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:12,690
the South Trail, if you will.

730
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:21,950
The South Trail is directly adjacent a very fast moving car curve on the street.

731
00:57:22,130 --> 00:57:24,130
Miss Rossnick identified that.

732
00:57:24,330 --> 00:57:25,670
This is a dangerous area.

733
00:57:25,850 --> 00:57:30,910
Why are we bringing the attractive nuisance, the area that we're trying to attract people

734
00:57:30,910 --> 00:57:36,210
to write at the most dangerous area where there is only parking on one side of the street and

735
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:47,630
not both. If we live to the letter of the intent of the decree, you're trying to energize

736
00:57:47,630 --> 00:57:54,270
the bluff code, the bluff. Doesn't necessarily need to be at that one corner. That one corner

737
00:57:54,270 --> 00:58:00,850
But is the area that is the south, which has the south trail, I think, Ms. Nendake was trying

738
00:58:00,850 --> 00:58:07,610
to identify the south trail. That south trail is the access down to the cliffs below the

739
00:58:07,610 --> 00:58:14,750
beach below. That south trail is used very heavily by fishermen. There were six cars, as I

740
00:58:14,750 --> 00:58:19,950
mentioned today, six cars yesterday, parked right at the end of Avenue in the Role, Marola

741
00:58:19,950 --> 00:58:29,050
and Peseldomar. Those six cars had one, two or three fishermen and they packed up their poles and they walked the cliff.

742
00:58:29,370 --> 00:58:36,010
Why is that important? Basically a park is an area where you should come, take pictures and leaflets.

743
00:58:37,090 --> 00:58:48,750
But, these fishermen, if there is a drinking fountain with a bowl, are going to use that drinking fountain to clean their fish, it's just nature.

744
00:58:48,750 --> 00:58:52,010
Take a look at what happens in Manhattan, Manhattan, here.

745
00:58:52,570 --> 00:58:56,790
You have all the fishermen, and you have an area where there's a drinking fountain, and

746
00:58:56,790 --> 00:59:01,930
that drinking fountain is water source, that drinking fountain is a mess.

747
00:59:02,530 --> 00:59:12,390
It is going to attract trash, is going to attract vermin coyotes, I'm all for the drinking

748
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:17,790
fountain, but the drinking fountain should not be placed adjacent to where the fishermen and

749
00:59:17,790 --> 00:59:24,150
rest of us walked down to the cliffs. Let's move it north. Let's move it. Let's move. If you have

750
00:59:24,150 --> 00:59:28,890
to have a doing in found, let's place it in a position where it's not going to be used in a negative

751
00:59:28,890 --> 00:59:35,430
way. Let's put it in a position where you're going to actually have got, or at a time. Let's put it in a position

752
00:59:35,430 --> 00:59:43,930
where the residents will use it to, as they're walking their dogs, or on a trail, but not adjacent to

753
00:59:43,930 --> 00:59:49,170
area, which is going to become the trash dumping zone, or Mr. Houston, I appreciate your

754
00:59:49,170 --> 00:59:49,310
time.

755
00:59:49,850 --> 00:59:51,510
That's it.

756
00:59:52,310 --> 00:59:55,010
Lori Carlson followed by Simon Schober.

757
01:00:04,140 --> 01:00:11,440
Thank you very much for all your hard work and litigating this and getting us to a manageable

758
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:20,400
something, and really appreciate Janine's comments, Susie's. You had a lot of the things I was going to talk about.

759
01:00:21,300 --> 01:00:27,160
My, and I loved what Gary just said. I think those are all really spot on points.

760
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:30,660
I'm looking a little bit more towards the future.

761
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:39,240
We already have our designated as a destination, and as we get signs up, and we make this

762
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:44,280
more advertising when we have you, we are going to get quite a few more people, and we do

763
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:51,420
have quite a few more people here now, and as a resident of Avenue, Marola, we're seeing

764
01:00:51,420 --> 01:00:57,140
car stop and check out our houses, and we've had a few break-ins, and

765
01:00:57,140 --> 01:01:01,200
and we're already starting to impact since COVID people

766
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:02,520
knowing about us.

767
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,780
They also haul down our street.

768
01:01:05,180 --> 01:01:07,260
And we have a lot of kids on our street.

769
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:12,140
So I would be, hopefully this can be talked

770
01:01:12,140 --> 01:01:13,240
with the City Council.

771
01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:17,420
I'd be glad to head up, getting some stop signs

772
01:01:17,420 --> 01:01:20,720
on Avenue and Merrill because we do anticipate more traffic.

773
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:24,720
And some way to slow down the traffic,

774
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:26,680
maybe the curve that we're talking about,

775
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:29,540
that's so busy, they're signs.

776
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,240
I know we can't do speed bumps because litigation

777
01:01:34,220 --> 01:01:36,820
we've been there and that hasn't worked.

778
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:41,920
Let me just double check here.

779
01:01:42,860 --> 01:01:45,920
So it's that the fast cars, kids getting hit,

780
01:01:47,020 --> 01:01:50,460
had us slow down that traffic, also parking.

781
01:01:50,460 --> 01:02:00,520
I think why should our streets become parking lots, maybe we restrict non-resident parking

782
01:02:00,520 --> 01:02:08,280
or people who are using that to the one side of Paseo.org and maybe we have residents

783
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:17,740
parking and we have, there should be some kind of control on that and I think I heard

784
01:02:17,740 --> 01:02:30,760
What you guys said about the business license is they do do that a lot and I loved to find a way to maybe get some of our money back from this location.

785
01:02:31,520 --> 01:02:42,840
But I think safety is paramount at this point and to make some decisions on that and have city council really look at what we need.

786
01:02:42,840 --> 01:03:06,880
And, you know, as I said, I'll, I'll had a stop sign up, I'll put the work in, if someone just tells me how to start getting stop signs, as opposed to just a complete straight, you know, run way, down from PV, drive west to Paso, Delmar, because that's, but we're all AIs going to send everybody right.

787
01:03:07,420 --> 01:03:09,800
So anyway, thank you very much for your time and your effort.

788
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:11,740
Thank you.

789
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,380
Simon Schober, followed by Anne Barclay.

790
01:03:19,550 --> 01:03:20,770
Good afternoon, commissioners.

791
01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:22,870
My name is Simon Schober.

792
01:03:23,370 --> 01:03:28,130
My wife and I live in at 416 Avenue, Marola, with our two children.

793
01:03:28,970 --> 01:03:34,050
We have lived there for 14 years, and we've seen quite significant changes to the blasts over the years.

794
01:03:34,990 --> 01:03:38,630
Lindsay is also lived in another bay essentially her entire life.

795
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:43,410
We've submitted our formal written objection, and it's already in the record.

796
01:03:45,210 --> 01:03:49,490
We support the public access requirements of the settlement, but we do not support the current

797
01:03:49,490 --> 01:03:52,490
designs in three critical respects.

798
01:03:52,690 --> 01:03:57,830
First, the drinking fountain, the plans placed at the intersection at Avonita, Marola,

799
01:03:57,830 --> 01:03:58,770
right near our home.

800
01:03:59,310 --> 01:04:03,930
This will create a natural meeting spot, increase parking pressure, trash, and noise.

801
01:04:04,670 --> 01:04:08,890
The settlement only requires the fountain near that intersection.

802
01:04:08,950 --> 01:04:11,470
It does not lock in that exact location.

803
01:04:12,330 --> 01:04:15,270
In our letter, we actually propose moving it to the natural

804
01:04:17,650 --> 01:04:19,910
Trailhead Bluff near rocky point.

805
01:04:20,930 --> 01:04:24,110
And that's located in the Google Maps

806
01:04:24,110 --> 01:04:27,150
In our attachments to the letter.

807
01:04:28,150 --> 01:04:31,090
If we were actually going to put a fountain there, that's where

808
01:04:31,090 --> 01:04:35,870
I think logically it should be put, and that's without the settlement agreement.

809
01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:39,170
I understand that the city has had difficult negotiations,

810
01:04:41,350 --> 01:04:43,550
so as an alternative, I would

811
01:04:43,550 --> 01:04:49,030
ask that we at least move it further around south, closer to where the path splits.

812
01:04:51,630 --> 01:04:51,890
And yeah.

813
01:04:52,610 --> 01:04:58,330
My second point about irrigation, there should be no temporary irrigation across the

814
01:04:58,330 --> 01:04:59,790
of the black tops.

815
01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:06,940
The peninsula has a long history of water driven landslides and seepages. Portuguese banned a

816
01:05:06,940 --> 01:05:11,920
ballooning curve and other ongoing problems at Malagukov. The coastal commission has repeatedly

817
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:20,620
found that irrigation contributes to bluff erosion under coastal act section 30253. We ask that the

818
01:05:20,620 --> 01:05:26,200
entire fixed irrigation system be deleted from the plans. If plants need to be watered during

819
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:31,320
establishment. It should only be done by water truck with personal present. Plants that

820
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:37,380
cannot survive here without irrigation should not be long on the bluff. Thirdly, the

821
01:05:37,380 --> 01:05:42,840
sediment requires that landscaping not permanently block existing residential views. The

822
01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:50,160
plans allow for plants to be four to ten feet tall. In my opinion, that should be have a hard

823
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,580
maximum mature hard of less than 4 feet.

824
01:05:58,860 --> 01:06:02,260
And I know that in the last few years, the city's head

825
01:06:02,260 --> 01:06:05,360
budget constraints, and we're seeing the musted grow up to 8

826
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:07,140
and 10 feet out on those blocks.

827
01:06:08,140 --> 01:06:11,060
Knowing this, I don't understand why we'd want to plant anything

828
01:06:11,060 --> 01:06:12,680
that could grow up to 10 feet.

829
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,100
That doesn't make sense.

830
01:06:15,500 --> 01:06:20,360
So I would support just low profile natural vegetation.

831
01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:28,920
I'm not against the stone seeding, but I agree with the commissioner, Keshe, that the bench

832
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,760
should be on the east side, not near the actual cliff edges.

833
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:34,760
Mr. Shilver, unfortunately your time is up.

834
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:35,220
Thank you.

835
01:06:35,220 --> 01:06:35,260
Thank you.

836
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,420
Thank you.

837
01:06:38,730 --> 01:06:38,790
Thank you.

838
01:06:38,790 --> 01:06:39,310
Thank you.

839
01:06:39,310 --> 01:06:39,690
Thank you.

840
01:06:52,660 --> 01:06:53,700
Thank you.

841
01:06:53,700 --> 01:07:01,200
years. And again, appreciate the recitation and the comments from the commissioners have

842
01:07:02,260 --> 01:07:08,100
been very well taken, as you can tell by the applause from some of the folks in the

843
01:07:08,100 --> 01:07:15,660
audience here today. My primary concern is that so much is being impacted on the south side.

844
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:23,400
And when I first saw that there was a settlement, it sounded as if there was going to be

845
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:33,420
You know, these amenities, so to speak, spread out through the entire bluff top area from the north end, closer to rocky point.

846
01:07:33,820 --> 01:07:41,480
But now we see this plan and it really does seem as if everything's being impacted on the south side, particularly at Avanita, Marola.

847
01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:48,020
I'm very much concerned about the impact on the views of my neighbors.

848
01:07:48,640 --> 01:08:05,940
You know, we, my husband and I have lived on the Apatecho for 40 years, and we take walks almost every single day on the left tops, and to impact one street, particularly Abanita, Marola, to the extent that it is simply unfair.

849
01:08:06,900 --> 01:08:13,920
I think the suggestion about a water fountain for the settlement is a great one.

850
01:08:14,180 --> 01:08:19,440
Why go ahead and do a bottle filler that's going to be five feet tall?

851
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:25,120
The other concern I have is that the plants that are being considered here seem to be very

852
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:30,240
much like the ones that are up by Paseo Lannada and the Anacapa.

853
01:08:30,240 --> 01:08:44,920
And right now, that place looks like a very hazardous condition for fires, you know, the plants have grown at least about five to six feet tall, it appears, and it does look like a very hazardous condition.

854
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:59,400
So I would really appeal to you to be able to have a vegetation that really is not to exceed even three feet would be, I think, manageable and very accepting.

855
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:06,280
accepting to the neighbors, it wouldn't impact their views, and it would be much better safe to concern.

856
01:09:07,300 --> 01:09:14,800
The last thing I wanted to bring up is we can't see on any of these slides what the rules will be.

857
01:09:14,920 --> 01:09:23,400
I guess there's, it sounds like there's already a great deal that's in production since we have to get this completed by the middle of next month.

858
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:38,420
I hope that on these rules that are going to be posted that it does state no smoking of any kind and we know there's a lot of different kinds of smoking going on there, including vaping.

859
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:44,940
I came upon a cartridge just a couple of days ago that had been tossed to.

860
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,240
So no smoking, no vaping, no alcohol.

861
01:09:51,300 --> 01:09:52,600
And those are my concerns.

862
01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:53,580
Thank you again.

863
01:09:54,020 --> 01:09:54,160
Great.

864
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:55,420
Thank you so much.

865
01:09:57,780 --> 01:09:59,200
Jose Calazo.

866
01:09:59,520 --> 01:09:59,840
Follow.

867
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:01,980
By Marlene Breene.

868
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:09,060
I have moved there a lot, so I've lived in cross versus states for the last 40 years, and I reside

869
01:10:10,060 --> 01:10:14,100
at Barcelona, the property that abuts Barola.

870
01:10:16,420 --> 01:10:20,280
My concern really is that when you look at

871
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:25,900
the situation that we're facing, the city is comprised of its employees and other officials.

872
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:34,600
The settlement was because city employees did not behave properly, but it's just put as simple as that.

873
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:41,680
I am concerned now because we may be entering a situation where the city will now be incurring liability,

874
01:10:42,440 --> 01:10:44,180
which will ultimately be paid by the citizens.

875
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:49,120
Encouraging beach access routes, there are no beach access routes.

876
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:54,340
There are dirt trails passed created by erosion and in traffic people who use them.

877
01:10:54,340 --> 01:10:59,300
I'm amazed it can make it down those paths carrying surfboards and

878
01:10:59,300 --> 01:11:00,660
scuba equipment and fishing gear.

879
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:02,420
I can't make it down there.

880
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:06,600
What's a liability if someone falls in dice or gets hurt?

881
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:12,100
There should be no signs saying that there should be signs saying danger, unsafe trail use

882
01:11:12,100 --> 01:11:12,960
at your own risk.

883
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,780
The same risk applies to encouraging people to come to the bluff.

884
01:11:17,260 --> 01:11:22,860
Signs pointing out that coming too close to the edge of the bluff is a risk and

885
01:11:22,860 --> 01:11:27,220
The ventures should be as far away from that bluff as possible, because we don't want to incur

886
01:11:27,220 --> 01:11:33,320
the liability of somebody following, because they've been encouraged to get closer to the

887
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:33,500
bluff.

888
01:11:34,000 --> 01:11:35,200
And lawyers are very creative.

889
01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:42,420
So anything that we do to encourage someone to get hurt is something that a lawyer can use

890
01:11:42,420 --> 01:11:43,580
to say, hey, we're fault.

891
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:49,760
The drinking fountain, Marola, is a very simple problem that we've created.

892
01:11:51,540 --> 01:11:56,960
The street between Merola and Chelsea Road is very strong, it's one block, and usually

893
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:58,580
it has a lot of cars on the weekends.

894
01:11:59,020 --> 01:12:02,820
Same thing applies to every street that ends at a certain mark.

895
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:08,780
So the drinking fund should be someplace that does not end facing a street that faces a

896
01:12:08,780 --> 01:12:09,260
certain mark.

897
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:14,120
A lot of places along that bluff you can put it, because if you put it where there's

898
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:19,440
a street ending at a certain mark, you're going to create traffic down those roads and those

899
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:22,020
weekends packed with parked cars.

900
01:12:24,700 --> 01:12:29,140
Finally, this would be a good time to place bigger boulders,

901
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:33,740
so the cars could not drive off with a bluff like what happened recently, you know,

902
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:38,820
further south on the middle of the market. So if we have boulders who just spread the alarm

903
01:12:38,820 --> 01:12:44,360
on the bluff, so that no car could actually come on that road, either by accident or by people

904
01:12:44,360 --> 01:12:49,980
willing to commit suicide. And I've seen cars go on to the road, on to the road there,

905
01:12:49,980 --> 01:12:54,800
not realizing that it's illegal that I've seen the police come and get them off the block.

906
01:12:54,940 --> 01:13:00,600
So we should put boulders that will not allow a normal deal to get over the boulder or

907
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:02,180
in between the boulders.

908
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:10,040
Other than that, I think we should be careful to not beautify something that doesn't be beautifying.

909
01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:13,620
We should do the minimum required illegal agreement to do that.

910
01:13:13,620 --> 01:13:14,640
I don't think we're doing that.

911
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:18,480
I think we're getting carried away by doing things more than we need to.

912
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:21,400
Thank you, Mr. Closa, your time is up.

913
01:13:24,260 --> 01:13:26,800
Marlene Brain followed by Robert Barclay.

914
01:13:29,080 --> 01:13:31,260
Hello, Marlene Brain, 2013 Chelsea.

915
01:13:31,540 --> 01:13:33,280
I'm just one block in from the Bluffs.

916
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,340
I wouldn't have a full set made, full size.

917
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,700
I don't know if anybody on the planning commission

918
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:42,500
has actually looked at a full size set of plans.

919
01:13:43,020 --> 01:13:46,920
But I did go through, I read lined a whole bunch of stuff

920
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:48,040
on different topics.

921
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,580
Basically what I'm hearing today is that

922
01:13:51,580 --> 01:13:54,800
This is what we've done, and you guys have to approve it because we have a deadline.

923
01:13:56,280 --> 01:14:00,080
And if that's the case, this is like a really poor way to proceed.

924
01:14:00,740 --> 01:14:06,160
I think every single category has something that needs to have an adjustment.

925
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:15,640
Now, where those adjustments happen, you know, the experience has been, if it's on the paper, that's how it gets built, no matter what people say.

926
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:27,480
So, I don't know if it's possible for you to create a set of plans that reflects what the people today are talking about, or if this is just fluff.

927
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:34,540
I can talk to you about the varieties of plants that substitutions are possible.

928
01:14:34,820 --> 01:14:39,520
There are things that will work and are low and you won't have to maintain.

929
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,060
I think irrigation is out.

930
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:50,320
We have a lot of experience with beautiful, not a bay, and the first time around on the first

931
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:55,140
session, we went with a professional who designed the irrigation system, we had it professionally

932
01:14:55,140 --> 01:14:57,960
installed and that irrigation system failed.

933
01:14:58,620 --> 01:14:59,900
On the second time.

934
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:11,360
Around, we did a half-half, where the resident volunteers did a part of the installation and it was partially installed, professionally and it failed.

935
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:18,200
And third time we installed quick couplers and volunteers come and water off of quick couplers.

936
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:21,360
That system seemed to work pretty well.

937
01:15:21,740 --> 01:15:27,200
We ended up only irrigating twice over the summer, the rest of the year, no water.

938
01:15:29,620 --> 01:15:34,500
And currently, and currently, now that whole system is shut off.

939
01:15:34,500 --> 01:15:41,940
So, I would recommend no irrigation at all, hand watering, using quick couplers is completely

940
01:15:41,940 --> 01:15:46,980
effective for something of this scale. Changing out your plant material to something that's

941
01:15:46,980 --> 01:15:53,560
more appropriate needs to be done. I also question some of the slope mitigation that they're

942
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:59,500
proposing. I think it's going to disturb the slope more than what's there. There are ways to plant

943
01:15:59,500 --> 01:16:05,900
the plants. In fact, I have an alternate detail that actually captures rainwater and doesn't

944
01:16:05,900 --> 01:16:12,940
depend on irrigation drips. And that's been proven to be very effective. I do a lot of

945
01:16:12,940 --> 01:16:20,100
slope installations in this area. And you know, the projects look great. So I'm a resource for you

946
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:27,380
if you have questions or want to talk about how to do native plant installations. There's also

947
01:16:27,380 --> 01:16:33,740
PV land, conservancy, and essentially, none of us who are asked anything up front.

948
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:40,000
In fact, I consistently, you know, check the website, I ask people where we are, what's

949
01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:40,380
happening.

950
01:16:40,940 --> 01:16:43,880
And all I get is this very vague conceptual plan.

951
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:49,820
Now here you have a complete plan that's put a lot of effort and a lot of money into and

952
01:16:49,820 --> 01:16:51,500
it's not appropriate for the project.

953
01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:57,560
The project has exceeded the scope of work that is required by the lawsuit.

954
01:16:58,260 --> 01:17:00,160
It's creating a hazard.

955
01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:02,540
Please conclude your time is up.

956
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:03,020
Okay.

957
01:17:03,020 --> 01:17:04,060
It's a hazard.

958
01:17:04,720 --> 01:17:07,940
And I think you need to think about what happens next.

959
01:17:08,060 --> 01:17:08,500
Thank you.

960
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:09,740
Thank you so much.

961
01:17:14,410 --> 01:17:16,770
Robert Barclay followed by Kristina Hargate.

962
01:17:17,390 --> 01:17:18,910
My name is Robert Barclay.

963
01:17:18,970 --> 01:17:20,170
I live at 2409.

964
01:17:20,170 --> 01:17:20,910
of the Chaco.

965
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:27,290
I really appreciate the comments by Commissioner Rossick and Commissioner

966
01:17:28,570 --> 01:17:36,890
Cassie. The point I was going to make is to the landscaping. I wanted to ask the public

967
01:17:36,890 --> 01:17:42,410
worst director. Did you say that the watering would be done by an employee of the city?

968
01:17:42,830 --> 01:17:45,670
I'm sorry. All questions would be directed to the commission.

969
01:17:46,510 --> 01:17:52,790
Okay, so what I heard, well, a couple of things I've heard, number one is the plan, which

970
01:17:52,790 --> 01:17:59,370
is approved, which you have to go by, or else we get into liability, the lawsuit.

971
01:18:01,370 --> 01:18:06,890
So this is kind of like a formality, nothing really is going to change in my opinion after

972
01:18:06,890 --> 01:18:08,150
hearing whatever it's so far.

973
01:18:08,590 --> 01:18:15,090
But also what I heard was, and my concern about the, I really don't like the improvements

974
01:18:15,090 --> 01:18:21,390
that were done along lymphatic hand in there, the improvements, in that there are dead.

975
01:18:21,630 --> 01:18:26,630
There are always been dead and they look like hell and I wouldn't want something like that

976
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:32,670
on our bluff top and so I think we have to have some kind of watering if it's by hand,

977
01:18:33,050 --> 01:18:37,070
it's not going to go so deep as to cause a cliff failure.

978
01:18:38,990 --> 01:18:43,830
But you can't have what's dropped tolerant, that doesn't mean that it never gets a new water

979
01:18:43,830 --> 01:18:49,030
and we'll survive. You have to water plants. So anyway, that's all I got. Thank you.

980
01:18:49,290 --> 01:18:54,090
Thank you. Christina Hargate, followed by Rick Lindgren.

981
01:19:01,710 --> 01:19:06,710
The resolution says these improvements are designed to make the area more welcoming and accessible

982
01:19:06,710 --> 01:19:12,350
to the public by preserving the natural character of the site. But that is exactly where I see

983
01:19:12,350 --> 01:19:19,230
a contradiction. A drinking fountain potentially a bright blue structure placed predominantly

984
01:19:19,230 --> 01:19:24,250
within the street view may seem like a minor improvement when considered by itself.

985
01:19:24,810 --> 01:19:28,170
A sign may also seem minor, a bench may seem minor.

986
01:19:28,690 --> 01:19:33,910
Treyah markers, bulldozers, signs, educational signs, safety signs, landscaping.

987
01:19:34,650 --> 01:19:37,910
They may each be characterized individually as a small,

988
01:19:38,210 --> 01:19:41,710
but the planning commission should not evaluate these elements in isolation.

989
01:19:42,250 --> 01:19:44,810
The real issue is their cumulative effect.

990
01:19:44,810 --> 01:19:53,430
When all these structures, signs, amenities, or install together, the results may no longer look or feel like a natural blood tub.

991
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:56,630
It begins to look designed, programmed, and developed.

992
01:19:57,150 --> 01:19:59,770
That is particularly important because this is not a park.

993
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:08,920
This is a coastal open space area whose visual character comes from its simplicity and natural setting.

994
01:20:09,180 --> 01:20:15,300
The resolution itself states that the project will not be visually intrusive from public viewpoints,

995
01:20:15,460 --> 01:20:22,980
but if a brightly colored drinking fountain or other man made the infrastructure becomes visible from the street

996
01:20:22,980 --> 01:20:27,060
that finding deserves much closer scrutiny.

997
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:32,920
Something can be small in physical size, but still have a significant visual impact.

998
01:20:33,860 --> 01:20:44,140
We as neighbors are also concerned about the message the city is unintentionally sent by formalizing and promoting trails that lead down from the bluff.

999
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:50,200
Once the city installed the signage, materials, amenities, the members of the public,

1000
01:20:50,200 --> 01:20:58,800
may reasonably interpret those roots or CD approved and safe for ordinarily recreational use.

1001
01:21:00,020 --> 01:21:05,360
I want to acknowledge something important. I understand that the CD's hands might be tied

1002
01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:10,460
to some extent because of the requirement of the settlement agreement. But the surrounding

1003
01:21:10,460 --> 01:21:15,620
neighbors did nothing wrong. We should not be the ones expected to be the consequences,

1004
01:21:15,620 --> 01:21:20,200
is traffic, crowd, noise, safety concerns,

1005
01:21:20,820 --> 01:21:23,060
loss of the natural character of our neighborhood,

1006
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:25,940
and potentially reduced property values.

1007
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:29,640
The city may have an obligation under the settlement,

1008
01:21:30,020 --> 01:21:33,220
but it also has an obligation to protect the residents

1009
01:21:33,220 --> 01:21:37,040
who already live there, and those who will

1010
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:41,400
responsibilities should not be treated as mutually exclusive.

1011
01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:49,560
Before approving this project, I asked the Commission to consider the entire project as people will

1012
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:55,700
actually experience it, not one fountain, not one sign, but all these improvements together.

1013
01:21:56,200 --> 01:22:01,500
The question should be, after everything is installed, will this still feel like the natural

1014
01:22:01,500 --> 01:22:07,720
do not obey bluff top we are trying to preserve and will the public understand the real risks

1015
01:22:07,720 --> 01:22:09,940
of accessing the bluff below.

1016
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:13,340
Great. Thank you so much, Shia. Your time is up.

1017
01:22:16,750 --> 01:22:17,370
Rick Lendron.

1018
01:22:26,690 --> 01:22:29,030
Rick Lendron, 424, Avenue, and Morolla,

1019
01:22:29,410 --> 01:22:32,350
not going to rehash what everyone here has said.

1020
01:22:32,530 --> 01:22:33,990
There's pretty much consensus.

1021
01:22:34,690 --> 01:22:39,230
Big thing is we all feel like we were not in the loop

1022
01:22:39,230 --> 01:22:41,270
on anything that came up to this.

1023
01:22:41,470 --> 01:22:44,430
There's reasons why that happened, but that is a problem.

1024
01:22:45,210 --> 01:22:47,410
I don't know how we resolve it at this point.

1025
01:22:47,410 --> 01:22:50,430
when we have a month to get this project done

1026
01:22:50,430 --> 01:22:53,630
or we're open up for litigation or the city has no money.

1027
01:22:54,870 --> 01:22:57,230
Just want to reiterate, drinking fountain

1028
01:22:57,230 --> 01:23:00,170
if there's any way to move it, it should be moved.

1029
01:23:00,670 --> 01:23:04,870
It's not appropriate for where you're planning to place it.

1030
01:23:05,230 --> 01:23:08,950
The other thing is you are as far as we've talked about liability.

1031
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:11,570
Has anyone gone down that trail recently?

1032
01:23:13,270 --> 01:23:20,590
You know, it's like it's not a safe trail and you're directing people to go down it.

1033
01:23:21,110 --> 01:23:24,130
There needs to be a sign that says, okay, where do you go down it?

1034
01:23:24,130 --> 01:23:25,010
You have to go down it.

1035
01:23:25,110 --> 01:23:25,750
You're on risk.

1036
01:23:26,070 --> 01:23:27,250
Danger don't fall.

1037
01:23:27,410 --> 01:23:28,830
If you fall, you can't sue us.

1038
01:23:28,830 --> 01:23:32,710
Whatever it is, you're creating a massive hazard.

1039
01:23:33,070 --> 01:23:40,430
I understand the settlement, it was requiring that, but you're talking about money for the

1040
01:23:40,430 --> 01:23:45,590
I don't know how the liability works when someone does fall off a cliff, who gets sued,

1041
01:23:45,950 --> 01:23:48,430
especially when there's a sign going, hey, go to this trail.

1042
01:23:50,550 --> 01:23:54,750
So it's, I don't know who needs to go down that trail, but you really do.

1043
01:23:55,010 --> 01:23:56,290
It's not a safe trail.

1044
01:23:57,570 --> 01:23:58,930
And I appreciate your time.

1045
01:23:59,090 --> 01:24:02,870
I appreciate the City Manager, Deputy City Manager, Public Works Director,

1046
01:24:02,870 --> 01:24:06,290
coming out and meeting with us earlier and explaining what's going on.

1047
01:24:07,030 --> 01:24:07,410
That's it.

1048
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:08,070
Thanks for your time.

1049
01:24:08,450 --> 01:24:09,130
Thank you so much.

1050
01:24:12,900 --> 01:24:14,800
Those are all the speaker cards I have.

1051
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,880
Does anyone else wish to speak that has not submitted a card?

1052
01:24:18,240 --> 01:24:19,820
We have a gentleman over there raising your hand.

1053
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:20,280
Thank you, sir.

1054
01:24:20,380 --> 01:24:21,700
Come on up and please say your name.

1055
01:24:26,820 --> 01:24:29,780
My name is Moe Zina Senth, and I live on Viana Kappa.

1056
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,160
I echo most of the sentiment that the Ms. Zina Senth share with you.

1057
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:36,020
But I think we're going about the wrong way.

1058
01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:38,540
I think the many books out there you could read,

1059
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:40,860
but the idea of the coastline.

1060
01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:44,400
And I think because you're looking at what the coast of commission

1061
01:24:44,400 --> 01:24:47,580
is asking me to do, you ignore in several factors.

1062
01:24:48,320 --> 01:24:49,960
I can repeat that the attorney is afraid of litigation.

1063
01:24:50,520 --> 01:24:51,660
Don't be afraid of that.

1064
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:53,660
Don't be afraid of it.

1065
01:24:53,980 --> 01:24:57,720
Go to the opening, consider commission and inform them

1066
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,980
of what the resident wants and what's the...

1067
01:25:01,860 --> 01:25:21,600
Now the bench 25 feet, I walk the doors all the time there and it's less than 25 feet. That means you're going to put the bench closest to the cliff. And like last gentleman said, people are going to hear people are going to die. That's it. Thank you.

1068
01:25:21,740 --> 01:25:22,720
Thank you so much.

1069
01:25:26,560 --> 01:25:31,980
Is there anyone else that would like to speak on this topic before we close gentlemen's coming up? Thank you.

1070
01:25:32,900 --> 01:25:37,220
It's okay. We could fill one out afterwards, please. Thank you.

1071
01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:41,480
My name is Tim Good. I live at 549, Pacellonado.

1072
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:47,520
So just up to street, I moved to, well not a band, 1958.

1073
01:25:49,340 --> 01:25:55,320
I had to move out after high school, but I've recently moved back about 10 years ago.

1074
01:25:57,240 --> 01:25:59,560
I'm a really afraid of the water issue.

1075
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,660
And I know that you know it'll have a valve and everything,

1076
01:26:05,550 --> 01:26:07,330
but if you look at Christmas tree

1077
01:26:07,330 --> 01:26:10,210
cove, we'll make slide there.

1078
01:26:10,890 --> 01:26:12,930
Love cove, we'll make slide there.

1079
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:16,030
Portuguese bend, all about water.

1080
01:26:17,430 --> 01:26:21,170
So why are we introducing water to learn how to bathe?

1081
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:24,030
It doesn't make any sense to me.

1082
01:26:27,100 --> 01:26:41,100
So I'm absolutely shocked by the idea that we'd be having this hearing one month before the project has to be finished, but I guess that's just how it came down.

1083
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:49,940
But I don't know how you could, I don't know how you could delay it, whether you'd call up the plaintiffs and say, hey, can you give us another 30 days?

1084
01:26:50,540 --> 01:26:57,440
I don't know what you want, a few is residents to threaten litigation, but it just seems

1085
01:26:59,820 --> 01:27:03,620
like this project needs a lot more thought.

1086
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:09,580
The idea that you're going to build something that's not according to the plans doesn't

1087
01:27:09,580 --> 01:27:11,580
make any sense to me, not at all.

1088
01:27:12,380 --> 01:27:13,200
Thank you.

1089
01:27:17,960 --> 01:27:18,800
Thank you, Mr. Good.

1090
01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:19,900
Anyone else?

1091
01:27:19,900 --> 01:27:27,160
last call. Your chance to speak. Okay. Hearing none, we will close the public hearing and bring it back.

1092
01:27:27,640 --> 01:27:32,600
I wouldn't be appropriate, Ms. Castillo, to allow city staff to address any of the issues,

1093
01:27:32,600 --> 01:27:40,500
or would you like the commission to then conduct our deliberation? I think the commission would

1094
01:27:40,500 --> 01:27:44,460
like to address or repeat some of the questions that were posed by the public to staff,

1095
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:49,660
we can do that. Okay. All right. So we will we will deliberate here and

1096
01:27:49,660 --> 01:27:51,800
host questions to city staff based on what we heard.

1097
01:27:51,800 --> 01:27:54,080
Thank you everyone for speaking out.

1098
01:27:54,240 --> 01:27:59,280
Lots of good feedback here and clearly there's a lot of good ideas here that will take

1099
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:00,080
under advisement.

1100
01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:02,440
But I'll just start with the first question.

1101
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:07,960
It's a legal question about liability of the city if someone were to take the trail down

1102
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:08,480
and get injured.

1103
01:28:08,700 --> 01:28:12,740
What kind of liability does that open the city up to?

1104
01:28:12,740 --> 01:28:16,300
So, this city has something called trail immunity.

1105
01:28:16,980 --> 01:28:26,120
So, if there is a undeveloped trail, anything that trail, any harm, injuries that occur on that trail,

1106
01:28:26,480 --> 01:28:32,360
due to the natural features of that trail does not impose liability on the city.

1107
01:28:33,420 --> 01:28:39,420
Once it becomes even with a sign that's pointing, and I don't know if this, I don't think I saw this sign that points to guess.

1108
01:28:40,100 --> 01:28:43,780
None of the signs actually say, do they actually, I don't know, Mr.

1109
01:28:43,960 --> 01:28:47,140
Antillian, is there a sign that actually points to a trail and says the way down.

1110
01:28:47,140 --> 01:28:51,800
I'm looking at the trails and it just says, welcome to the Leonardo Bay, danger, unstable

1111
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:57,480
bluff, keep on the trail and then welcome to the Leonardo Bay, and then another one.

1112
01:28:57,680 --> 01:29:02,400
Are there any that actually point down to say, this is the way down to the, to the, there

1113
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:02,700
is?

1114
01:29:02,820 --> 01:29:08,460
So the signs themselves do not matter, it's the nature of the trail itself.

1115
01:29:08,460 --> 01:29:12,780
Okay. The signs do not matter. It's the nature of the trail.

1116
01:29:13,500 --> 01:29:16,020
The signs don't change trail immunity is what you're saying.

1117
01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:16,300
Yeah.

1118
01:29:16,300 --> 01:29:17,240
Fail immunity happens.

1119
01:29:17,820 --> 01:29:20,720
As long as the city doesn't do any improvements to the trail,

1120
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:21,660
it's trail immunity.

1121
01:29:22,060 --> 01:29:22,300
Correct.

1122
01:29:23,100 --> 01:29:23,120
Okay.

1123
01:29:23,260 --> 01:29:29,950
Can we revise the signs without any legal?

1124
01:29:30,610 --> 01:29:31,430
Can you be a question?

1125
01:29:31,810 --> 01:29:35,290
Can we revise the signs that you have there?

1126
01:29:35,710 --> 01:29:38,870
Those have been discussed at length

1127
01:29:38,870 --> 01:29:44,510
with plaintiff's council, I'm not sure it depends on what changes you're requesting.

1128
01:29:47,490 --> 01:29:48,210
I have a question.

1129
01:29:49,250 --> 01:29:50,470
After these improvements,

1130
01:29:51,470 --> 01:29:54,350
is the trail is still considered undeveloped?

1131
01:29:54,370 --> 01:29:54,790
Yes.

1132
01:29:56,110 --> 01:29:56,310
Okay.

1133
01:29:57,070 --> 01:29:57,970
And then, Mr. Antilian,

1134
01:29:58,010 --> 01:29:59,970
another question about what was brought up.

1135
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,300
Is the sign that has the rules on it? Can you go through what the rules are, have those been agreed to, and is that already a sign that's installed?

1136
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:17,840
That's correct. That sign is already installed and it's on the bottom, it's on the page actually. You can see it from the top.

1137
01:30:19,460 --> 01:30:23,960
I can't read and I remember all the rules. Do you remember some of those?

1138
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:31,040
I don't, but just to clarify, I think we'll help that, that sign is one of the first things

1139
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:34,780
we had to install on us, on the beach. It's not at the bottom of the cliff. I don't think

1140
01:30:34,780 --> 01:30:42,540
there's an intention to put rules on the top of the cliff. Remember, you know, also, go ahead.

1141
01:30:42,620 --> 01:30:48,180
Before, also, I just want to bring to your attention, that sign did go before the Planning Commission.

1142
01:30:48,180 --> 01:30:52,560
and I believe in 2025 for the approval of the sign

1143
01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:54,800
and it had all the language in it too.

1144
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:57,400
So that sign is only when you get down to the bottom

1145
01:30:57,400 --> 01:30:58,860
of the cliff.

1146
01:31:00,880 --> 01:31:03,700
When all of this was going being negotiated

1147
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,160
and the settlement was being worked on,

1148
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:12,560
one of the things that was really in everybody's mind

1149
01:31:13,380 --> 01:31:18,680
was the least amount of signs the better,

1150
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:21,000
The mouth that they want it to what they have now.

1151
01:31:21,120 --> 01:31:24,100
There are signs that we have were required to put on

1152
01:31:24,100 --> 01:31:26,640
Pelsford-Strive West that says beach access.

1153
01:31:26,700 --> 01:31:30,040
Those were installed a year ago, one's at Yarmeth,

1154
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:32,440
and the other one is at, I can't remember the name of the street,

1155
01:31:32,560 --> 01:31:36,840
at the top of my head, but so those have been there a year

1156
01:31:37,480 --> 01:31:40,240
indicating those are the beach access.

1157
01:31:40,380 --> 01:31:42,660
That was something, or coastal access, I think it says.

1158
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:45,000
That was a requirement, all of this.

1159
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:53,280
You know, I think the city council and staff felt that the least amount of signs the better.

1160
01:31:53,580 --> 01:31:56,560
And I remember literally arguing with them about signs.

1161
01:31:57,660 --> 01:32:03,100
So we did not intend to put a rule sign for my understanding on top of the bluff top.

1162
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:11,000
We built a second one of those signs because we didn't anticipate it being destroyed and removed by now.

1163
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:15,080
surprisingly, it's still there. I was out there today. I was surprised that it was still there,

1164
01:32:15,960 --> 01:32:20,560
but we really don't want it. It's not our intention to put out more signs.

1165
01:32:21,780 --> 01:32:22,640
Got it.

1166
01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:27,860
Any other follow-up questions for staff based on what we heard?

1167
01:32:28,780 --> 01:32:37,040
I guess my question, Commissioner Nendick, kind of brought it up, is what can we affect here?

1168
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:51,920
Can we make a, if we say, we vote to pass this, this resolution, can we put stipulations on it, or are we, what can we affect?

1169
01:32:52,400 --> 01:33:02,000
Let me, let me, let me address that. You know, I think that the community and the public and the public and the commissioner and the tough position here.

1170
01:33:02,940 --> 01:33:08,140
This is a been going on for a long time.

1171
01:33:08,840 --> 01:33:10,560
Everyone's looking to get this behind us.

1172
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,840
Everyone's looking to lessen risk exposure to the city.

1173
01:33:15,400 --> 01:33:18,740
One of the speakers talked about why are we being punished.

1174
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:24,940
I can tell you that nobody on the city side wanted to have to do all of this.

1175
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:28,120
But looking at the big picture and why I spent so much time at the beginning

1176
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:30,460
on the threat that we were looking at.

1177
01:33:30,460 --> 01:33:34,820
the tens to $100 million that the city council was looking at.

1178
01:33:34,900 --> 01:33:39,900
Those were real threats and I came in in this at the end.

1179
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:43,180
And it was interesting for me to come in with a different perspective.

1180
01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:47,560
I didn't have the eight years of this that everyone else had dealt with.

1181
01:33:47,780 --> 01:33:50,120
I only had what I was being put in front of me.

1182
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:54,560
But those were some we were looking at some very, very scary numbers.

1183
01:33:55,260 --> 01:33:59,400
And if we had lost, the council and staff

1184
01:33:59,400 --> 01:34:05,480
and when we tried to work this out, did everything we can to do the minimum required, and that's

1185
01:34:05,480 --> 01:34:12,960
exactly what we did. You guys are in a tough position. Can you deny this? I'm sure you can.

1186
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:23,380
I'd say that if you do consider denying it, please keep in mind sort of the big picture of what we're

1187
01:34:23,380 --> 01:34:26,360
dealing with, and the risks that we're taking on.

1188
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:28,340
I hear a lot of questions about litigation.

1189
01:34:30,960 --> 01:34:37,140
And I hear a resident say that the city staff did some bad things.

1190
01:34:38,440 --> 01:34:39,300
Maybe they did.

1191
01:34:40,200 --> 01:34:47,520
But I can tell you, we are in multiple litigation right now that the city did nothing on.

1192
01:34:48,040 --> 01:34:52,940
We are in litigation because we pull over an e-biker and he ran and then he crashed

1193
01:34:52,940 --> 01:34:59,640
our officer and then he crashed his bike and he'd broke his arm and

1194
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:08,080
The parents sued the city for this. For millions of dollars. Now, we had to defend that, and we did, and that

1195
01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:13,460
case was thrown out, luckily. But these are the real things that we deal with every single day. So

1196
01:35:15,200 --> 01:35:21,240
that's why this has to go to the planning commission. You have every right to deny it. I'll get to some

1197
01:35:21,240 --> 01:35:27,040
ideas on changes you can make. I just think it's really, really important that everybody understands

1198
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:29,360
all of what we're dealing with here.

1199
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:32,060
You know, what can we change?

1200
01:35:32,720 --> 01:35:38,300
I've already committed to trying to move the water fountain.

1201
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:40,880
I looked it up again in the thing.

1202
01:35:41,400 --> 01:35:48,040
And it says, it has to be near to Mr. Shobal's point.

1203
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,140
I have the name, it's have a need of Merola.

1204
01:35:52,920 --> 01:35:54,020
And that's what it says.

1205
01:35:54,020 --> 01:36:00,580
I don't interpret that. I don't, I don't know but we certainly can try to get it. I had

1206
01:36:00,580 --> 01:36:05,320
some people to say, wanted it. Was that to the north and that's what people want it to the

1207
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:10,480
south today? Tell me that. By the way, it's not going to be blue. That's just, that's just

1208
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:13,720
a rendering. It's going to be brown. I've told people that today, I don't on the

1209
01:36:13,720 --> 01:36:15,460
bluff top. It will be brown.

1210
01:36:17,720 --> 01:36:20,620
Can you condition it to not have the water

1211
01:36:20,620 --> 01:36:24,660
social station? Sure. Of course you can. Why is the water

1212
01:36:24,660 --> 01:36:28,640
station? I think that's what we're all moving these days is to encourage

1213
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:31,700
people to show their own water bottles. But if you want to make it lower,

1214
01:36:32,040 --> 01:36:33,120
we can definitely do that.

1215
01:36:35,260 --> 01:36:38,020
In looking in here, it says the interpretive sign

1216
01:36:38,760 --> 01:36:45,140
needs to be at the south trail. So it says it in it. I can certainly ask

1217
01:36:45,140 --> 01:36:48,740
and I've already committed to asking that. It also says that it needs the

1218
01:36:48,740 --> 01:36:51,860
the plantings need to direct people to the south as well.

1219
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:55,420
So that's why you're seeing some of the plantings is to catch the eye.

1220
01:36:55,640 --> 01:37:02,200
The whole idea behind this is with the city was risking not making this place accessible to the public,

1221
01:37:02,820 --> 01:37:07,720
and the idea behind these plaintiffs is to make it more accessible to the public.

1222
01:37:08,100 --> 01:37:11,580
So that's why we got here, and that's why what you see on these plants.

1223
01:37:12,400 --> 01:37:18,280
As we're releasing the irrigation, that's a cost consideration that we're

1224
01:37:18,740 --> 01:37:22,480
We're going to make. I didn't say it earlier, but we've already talked internally about it.

1225
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:30,600
We can water by hand and to clarify the question, the irrigation was being put in, but

1226
01:37:30,600 --> 01:37:36,160
when it was turned on, the requirement is that a human being has to be out there to make sure

1227
01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:41,820
that there's no problems. No runoff, right? No runoff. But we will definitely look at the

1228
01:37:41,820 --> 01:37:46,420
costs associated with not putting in the irrigation and handwatering it to the establishment period.

1229
01:37:47,040 --> 01:37:51,440
That would ultimately be a city council decision because it's a budget consideration.

1230
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,100
They've approved it as is.

1231
01:37:53,540 --> 01:37:54,880
If it's less money, great.

1232
01:37:55,140 --> 01:37:58,260
If it's more money, then the council will have to decide that.

1233
01:37:58,540 --> 01:38:00,560
So you can certainly ask for that.

1234
01:38:03,160 --> 01:38:03,860
What else?

1235
01:38:04,020 --> 01:38:04,820
I think that.

1236
01:38:04,860 --> 01:38:06,420
We're talking about the locations on the bench.

1237
01:38:06,740 --> 01:38:07,040
Sorry.

1238
01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:08,660
Let me speak to that really quick.

1239
01:38:09,240 --> 01:38:13,760
So we did the geotech report because she's a requirement by the coastal commission.

1240
01:38:14,480 --> 01:38:19,240
And that's something that we did after the exam was complete.

1241
01:38:19,320 --> 01:38:23,420
That's probably why some of the benches still show a little bit close, but it's a

1242
01:38:23,420 --> 01:38:27,740
change that I can see making without any pushback from the cost of commission, because

1243
01:38:27,740 --> 01:38:29,760
it's actually there requires to do the G.O.T.

1244
01:38:29,760 --> 01:38:36,580
So we can put a condition that all the improvements, I.E. the benches, et cetera, have to be

1245
01:38:36,580 --> 01:38:37,620
in compliance with the G.O.T.

1246
01:38:37,620 --> 01:38:40,200
In compliance, which is states 25 feet.

1247
01:38:41,100 --> 01:38:41,700
So that's the thing.

1248
01:38:41,700 --> 01:38:48,160
we can put some conditions, I'm not saying, we don't have a choice about this to certain

1249
01:38:48,160 --> 01:38:55,740
extent, but we do have to respect what our findings say about impeding views and things

1250
01:38:55,740 --> 01:39:01,100
like this and what our community says. So I think there's a balance here, and I think

1251
01:39:01,100 --> 01:39:03,700
that's what people are trying to say, what is the balance?

1252
01:39:03,700 --> 01:39:10,780
And if I, you know, another thing that I might want to,

1253
01:39:10,780 --> 01:39:17,760
I mean, if I can find my cursor, so another thing,

1254
01:39:18,100 --> 01:39:23,290
and I wasn't here when the original design was considered,

1255
01:39:24,110 --> 01:39:32,450
I think the plantings were probably a desire to keep them,

1256
01:39:32,670 --> 01:39:35,010
so that they're only interfere with the view.

1257
01:39:35,010 --> 01:39:37,890
And if you can see this cut of the cliff,

1258
01:39:38,590 --> 01:39:40,630
and if you look at where the areas are,

1259
01:39:40,670 --> 01:39:41,910
where the plantings are,

1260
01:39:42,930 --> 01:39:46,810
are there kind of a low area that doesn't affect the view.

1261
01:39:47,770 --> 01:39:50,170
And I can see that's probably a consideration

1262
01:39:50,170 --> 01:39:54,490
that the design team came up with

1263
01:39:54,490 --> 01:39:57,230
where they wanted to put those plantings.

1264
01:39:57,670 --> 01:39:58,890
And if you look at the locations,

1265
01:39:59,030 --> 01:39:59,970
especially on the South Trail.

1266
01:40:00,640 --> 01:40:09,460
It's a little bit lower area, right by the trail. Again, it's close to the cliff, I think.

1267
01:40:09,460 --> 01:40:16,320
Right, but there's not a big drop on the other planting area, by the, by the sewer.

1268
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:19,680
Is this term grain, sorry?

1269
01:40:21,320 --> 01:40:26,540
Is that something we can make a stipulation on, revising the softscape or the planting?

1270
01:40:30,340 --> 01:40:31,900
Revising the types of planting?

1271
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:33,020
Revising the height.

1272
01:40:33,460 --> 01:40:35,440
Well, we can make one condition in height

1273
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:37,120
because of the height of the height.

1274
01:40:37,220 --> 01:40:39,880
Because height is something that we can maintain it

1275
01:40:39,880 --> 01:40:40,740
to a certain height.

1276
01:40:41,180 --> 01:40:41,900
Yeah, absolutely.

1277
01:40:43,260 --> 01:40:43,320
Yes.

1278
01:40:46,820 --> 01:40:49,540
Right, but we can also stipulate plants

1279
01:40:50,420 --> 01:40:54,880
that mature should not be higher than x, y, z.

1280
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,560
And that way you have the ability to change your plants

1281
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:00,100
What works for you,

1282
01:41:03,460 --> 01:41:03,460
right?

1283
01:41:03,900 --> 01:41:11,360
Yes. I mean, it's also, you know, one of the plans can get pretty high, somebody already mentioned that.

1284
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:12,440
Right, the lemon berry.

1285
01:41:13,540 --> 01:41:16,640
But it's one of the best plans to actually control erosion.

1286
01:41:17,660 --> 01:41:24,120
Yeah, but I think it's a mixture because I read some articles that said it actually in worst case can get 30.

1287
01:41:24,120 --> 01:41:24,820
Very handy.

1288
01:41:25,260 --> 01:41:32,260
And so I think that we have to be realistic about why we would even put in something that we know at a minimum that you're saying 10 feet.

1289
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:36,460
Well, I looked up the numbers on these when you look in the book.

1290
01:41:36,620 --> 01:41:40,260
So I mean, I think this is a fair statement that the people are worried about how tall.

1291
01:41:41,260 --> 01:41:42,760
Because maintenance is expensive.

1292
01:41:42,900 --> 01:41:43,660
Let's just be honest.

1293
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:44,980
We all have to maintain things.

1294
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:52,260
So I don't know why we would put in things that we know that we're going to have to do continual maintenance on to maintain the heights.

1295
01:41:52,260 --> 01:41:55,440
that if whether what's it's conditioned upon.

1296
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:00,760
Look at me.

1297
01:42:01,540 --> 01:42:03,060
Yeah, so I don't know.

1298
01:42:03,060 --> 01:42:03,660
Wait, I don't know.

1299
01:42:04,100 --> 01:42:07,280
I mean, there's a number of plants on the list here.

1300
01:42:07,400 --> 01:42:10,520
I think one of them is showing a maximum height of could

1301
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:12,100
grow to 10 feet at maturity.

1302
01:42:12,500 --> 01:42:15,620
And so I think what we're saying and what Vice Chair Nendick

1303
01:42:15,620 --> 01:42:17,500
is saying is why you even consider a plant

1304
01:42:17,500 --> 01:42:19,940
that would have the potential to grow that high

1305
01:42:19,940 --> 01:42:22,540
while the other six or seven on this list

1306
01:42:22,540 --> 01:42:25,000
show a max height of 4 feet at maturity.

1307
01:42:25,500 --> 01:42:30,820
I think it's to go with the, I'm assuming Carl had a hand in picking out a lot of these

1308
01:42:30,820 --> 01:42:34,500
and it's to match the rest of the cliffs because they, that's.

1309
01:42:35,100 --> 01:42:39,140
And lemon berries come on on the cliffs, especially in some of the areas that are being

1310
01:42:39,140 --> 01:42:39,780
very stable.

1311
01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:44,180
You can see them right next to P.V. Drive, that's probably why it was selected.

1312
01:42:44,860 --> 01:42:49,900
Like I said, I wasn't here, but I can see the thought process on the design team.

1313
01:42:50,740 --> 01:42:53,760
Again, it's something that stabilizes the cliff really well.

1314
01:42:53,760 --> 01:43:00,360
But we can maintain it to three feet, for example, so that's I think we can put that in.

1315
01:43:00,640 --> 01:43:05,100
Yeah, I mean, I think the answer here is just providing a condition of the max height that they

1316
01:43:05,100 --> 01:43:09,020
have to maintain it out the city has to maintain it as opposed to us nitpicking on which

1317
01:43:09,020 --> 01:43:10,000
for idols to put in.

1318
01:43:10,020 --> 01:43:14,680
Right, but here's my point is that I think we need to have a discussion, I mean, we could put a

1319
01:43:14,680 --> 01:43:25,340
condition that says using, you know, plant books, encyclopedia references, no plants should be

1320
01:43:25,340 --> 01:43:30,380
mature height higher than X, then they can do whatever they want to do, but we're

1321
01:43:30,380 --> 01:43:34,320
trying, we're limiting because the idea that you put in something that you know can

1322
01:43:34,320 --> 01:43:38,260
grow to tall, and you have to continually trim it, and we're always out of money,

1323
01:43:38,460 --> 01:43:44,040
it's not realistic. So you're leaving the idea that the design team can control

1324
01:43:44,040 --> 01:43:50,480
whatever they want, but you're just saying, you know, I mean, I went online, I got my

1325
01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:54,120
books out at home, and then, you know, we need to be realistic about what we're

1326
01:43:54,120 --> 01:43:57,800
putting in here, and what we're adding more work for the city.

1327
01:44:00,360 --> 01:44:00,840
Agreed.

1328
01:44:01,060 --> 01:44:05,360
Oscar, you keep mentioning that the, was it lemon berry?

1329
01:44:05,420 --> 01:44:06,580
Yeah, lemon berry.

1330
01:44:06,760 --> 01:44:08,140
It was good for the cliff stabilization.

1331
01:44:08,460 --> 01:44:09,680
I know you're not a plant expert.

1332
01:44:09,800 --> 01:44:12,360
Can we live with not having lemon berry out there

1333
01:44:12,360 --> 01:44:15,660
since it does grow past 10 feet?

1334
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:19,960
And, or do you know of another plant that grows to four feet

1335
01:44:19,960 --> 01:44:21,820
that also is good with cliff stabilization?

1336
01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:22,740
And it's native.

1337
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:24,680
Wouldn't that go to Carl?

1338
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:27,160
I mean, isn't that a recommendation easy for him?

1339
01:44:27,400 --> 01:44:30,960
I mean, as we use our landscape consultant actually

1340
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:34,400
crawled, deals with more trees, but it does.

1341
01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:40,300
So it's the areas that I think we have limb and bury,

1342
01:44:40,720 --> 01:44:42,380
and they don't go more than three feet.

1343
01:44:43,120 --> 01:44:49,640
It's right where in PV drive West, right before you hit the double.

1344
01:44:51,420 --> 01:44:52,640
Here we have them now.

1345
01:44:53,460 --> 01:44:53,920
We have them now.

1346
01:44:53,920 --> 01:44:59,880
I mean, but in an effort to, to,

1347
01:45:01,900 --> 01:45:12,620
You know, work with people's concerns, can we, can we, is the eye on the moving lemon barrier from this project, or you think it's better to condition it at the knockout or certain height?

1348
01:45:13,080 --> 01:45:22,680
I think it's better to condition it in the knockout to certain height. Lemumbury does grow to certain heights, where it's kind of left alone and on my team.

1349
01:45:24,020 --> 01:45:28,060
And also, if we substitute the plant, I don't know if we need to send it back to the plant

1350
01:45:28,060 --> 01:45:31,940
if we want to change this.

1351
01:45:32,640 --> 01:45:37,100
I don't, I don't want to argue with you, but the plant is going to don't get depict plants.

1352
01:45:38,020 --> 01:45:38,700
That was my question.

1353
01:45:38,900 --> 01:45:40,160
Did they specify the plants?

1354
01:45:40,480 --> 01:45:40,940
They did not.

1355
01:45:41,860 --> 01:45:48,580
The settlement agreement says that the cities shall use for their landscaping drought, tolerant

1356
01:45:48,580 --> 01:45:54,840
native plants. Design to remove invasive species such as mustard and fennel and include

1357
01:45:54,840 --> 01:45:59,700
native southern California plant species. The landscape and shall be professionally designed

1358
01:45:59,700 --> 01:46:03,980
and have a natural appearance, but also direct visitors to the south trail to ensure that the

1359
01:46:03,980 --> 01:46:09,880
shoreline access to the south trail is identified. And it shall be planted in a way that direct

1360
01:46:09,880 --> 01:46:17,000
visitors away from cliffs and false trails to the shoreline and direct visitors to the below

1361
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:23,380
self-trail. And then finally, the landscaping shall be designed and maintained to not permanently

1362
01:46:23,380 --> 01:46:25,620
block any current residential views.

1363
01:46:27,910 --> 01:46:32,570
So what I'm hearing is that if we want to limit the height,

1364
01:46:33,310 --> 01:46:42,590
that is allowed under the settlement agreement, I don't know, species is not required as long

1365
01:46:42,590 --> 01:46:44,110
is it's dropped tolerant?

1366
01:46:46,130 --> 01:46:51,730
So what I'm hearing from you is we can say we don't want any species put in that can grow

1367
01:46:51,730 --> 01:46:53,290
taller than x, y, or z.

1368
01:46:54,290 --> 01:47:02,610
I would encourage the condition to be more so that the city landscape consultant makes a

1369
01:47:02,610 --> 01:47:10,150
determination on the type of type of landscaping, a type of plant that doesn't seem to

1370
01:47:10,810 --> 01:47:11,290
Right.

1371
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:12,170
So what she said?

1372
01:47:12,690 --> 01:47:14,470
So it just makes it simple and straightforward.

1373
01:47:15,030 --> 01:47:16,150
We're trying to protect things.

1374
01:47:16,190 --> 01:47:16,630
Yes.

1375
01:47:18,010 --> 01:47:19,810
And that height seems to be...

1376
01:47:19,810 --> 01:47:20,690
Oh, we can talk about that.

1377
01:47:20,690 --> 01:47:22,350
We'll talk about that, but...

1378
01:47:22,350 --> 01:47:24,650
Well, it's difficult because you're talking about...

1379
01:47:24,650 --> 01:47:26,670
When you look at the grading, it's...

1380
01:47:26,670 --> 01:47:29,290
You know, when you look at the map, it's planted below.

1381
01:47:30,090 --> 01:47:31,130
So it has to grow up.

1382
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:32,110
So it's...

1383
01:47:32,110 --> 01:47:32,390
Yeah.

1384
01:47:32,390 --> 01:47:32,570
Right.

1385
01:47:32,650 --> 01:47:35,790
But also, in that one area that's really near the street.

1386
01:47:36,130 --> 01:47:36,150
Yeah.

1387
01:47:36,150 --> 01:47:43,410
So, and you can't say here, here, here, we need to just say a blanket condition, like for whatever works for it.

1388
01:47:43,550 --> 01:47:47,970
Yeah, whatever works for that area, I think we just go forward.

1389
01:47:50,290 --> 01:47:57,390
For me, I read this, the geology, and it says we can't have things 25 feet.

1390
01:47:57,390 --> 01:48:06,590
So I think we need to have a condition that says that respect the geologists report for the setbacks, something.

1391
01:48:08,170 --> 01:48:09,310
I'd be from the bluff said.

1392
01:48:09,710 --> 01:48:11,930
But usually it's just unfortunate.

1393
01:48:12,930 --> 01:48:20,670
Usually when a coastal development permit goes before the planning commission, there are recommendations from the city geologists.

1394
01:48:20,930 --> 01:48:24,530
You usually see the plan incorporating the conditions of approval.

1395
01:48:24,530 --> 01:48:29,770
It's unfortunate we didn't get the final approval from the City Geologists.

1396
01:48:30,290 --> 01:48:34,770
We got his recommendations and there was in the time to revise the plan.

1397
01:48:35,190 --> 01:48:39,910
So if we can do a condition that we need to respect the City Geologists, that's a need to

1398
01:48:39,910 --> 01:48:41,490
comply with the recommendations.

1399
01:48:42,030 --> 01:48:42,050
Correct.

1400
01:48:43,390 --> 01:48:48,610
Because I think that, because one of my things was that the seats in my opinion are too

1401
01:48:48,610 --> 01:48:50,150
close because it goes running.

1402
01:48:50,850 --> 01:48:52,990
So that takes care of that.

1403
01:48:53,250 --> 01:48:53,410
Correct.

1404
01:48:53,410 --> 01:48:54,510
the 25 feet?

1405
01:48:55,070 --> 01:48:58,890
The geotech report dictates where we can actually place them.

1406
01:48:58,930 --> 01:49:01,430
So we have to follow that.

1407
01:49:01,950 --> 01:49:04,370
And like I say, it was the geotech report

1408
01:49:04,370 --> 01:49:05,690
came after the design of...

1409
01:49:05,690 --> 01:49:09,270
No, I understand that, but I'm saying what we typically do

1410
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:10,310
is we put conditions.

1411
01:49:11,190 --> 01:49:15,270
We don't just say, we trust whatever is going to happen

1412
01:49:15,270 --> 01:49:17,970
and because it's not what we do, right?

1413
01:49:18,090 --> 01:49:21,650
We say, if we feel something's important like the report,

1414
01:49:21,650 --> 01:49:27,030
But we make a condition that the applicant has to apply.

1415
01:49:27,030 --> 01:49:31,690
I think what you're both saying is just on the plans that will say a note, comply with

1416
01:49:31,690 --> 01:49:33,090
City Geologist recommendation.

1417
01:49:34,090 --> 01:49:38,350
Well, I think we need to make a condition that says we have to have that on the plans.

1418
01:49:38,650 --> 01:49:42,410
Because otherwise, like to, but that's what we're asking for.

1419
01:49:42,750 --> 01:49:44,070
Yes, that's what we put on there.

1420
01:49:45,950 --> 01:49:47,230
We're all saying the same thing.

1421
01:49:52,660 --> 01:49:55,080
Did you have a couple more things you wanted to go over?

1422
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:57,640
or I want to go to your home, what about irrigation?

1423
01:49:58,040 --> 01:49:58,560
Irrigation.

1424
01:49:58,760 --> 01:49:59,580
Let's talk about that.

1425
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:22,620
Yeah, it seems like, obviously there's a lot of concern about installing an irrigation system, and I know cost was brought up by City Manager callman about hand watering, but I think that's likely where we need to lean towards because of the concerns and seems like irrigation systems that have been installed stop working after a short period of time.

1426
01:50:22,620 --> 01:50:30,220
And to be clear, it was just they needed irrigation to get the planting started, right?

1427
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:30,780
Yes.

1428
01:50:31,160 --> 01:50:35,660
There's nothing in that there's nothing in the settlement agreement about irrigation.

1429
01:50:36,120 --> 01:50:38,320
It's already going to get the planting established.

1430
01:50:40,730 --> 01:50:41,030
Okay.

1431
01:50:41,030 --> 01:50:44,990
So, I would support, you know, the stipulations being no irrigation.

1432
01:50:45,550 --> 01:50:46,270
Just hand water.

1433
01:50:46,890 --> 01:50:47,310
Okay.

1434
01:50:47,330 --> 01:50:48,790
So we've tackled the setback.

1435
01:50:48,910 --> 01:50:50,750
We've tackled irrigation.

1436
01:50:50,750 --> 01:50:55,810
And I think we need to tackle the drinking station and then I want to talk about the benches.

1437
01:50:56,810 --> 01:51:01,890
You had brought up, I believe, that they're spaced really close together in a certain area.

1438
01:51:02,050 --> 01:51:03,790
And I just wonder if we can space them out.

1439
01:51:04,350 --> 01:51:07,990
And maybe only do one bench in an area as opposed to two or three.

1440
01:51:08,110 --> 01:51:11,750
So that congregation of people is not as natural.

1441
01:51:13,090 --> 01:51:13,450
Right.

1442
01:51:14,530 --> 01:51:14,710
Oh.

1443
01:51:15,770 --> 01:51:17,430
Wait, can you bring that plan back up?

1444
01:51:17,430 --> 01:51:18,470
I don't think they are.

1445
01:51:18,650 --> 01:51:19,090
They're not.

1446
01:51:19,090 --> 01:51:19,970
Yeah, they're not.

1447
01:51:20,290 --> 01:51:22,090
Maybe I'm going off of what I saw you now.

1448
01:51:22,390 --> 01:51:22,790
Right now.

1449
01:51:23,210 --> 01:51:23,810
That's just all that.

1450
01:51:23,830 --> 01:51:24,930
I mean, we're not going to stick.

1451
01:51:25,130 --> 01:51:25,650
We're off off.

1452
01:51:25,690 --> 01:51:26,670
Yeah, they've got sour.

1453
01:51:27,130 --> 01:51:33,970
I think the question was more, for me, the one that is at the South Trail is in a scary location

1454
01:51:33,970 --> 01:51:35,090
to me.

1455
01:51:35,190 --> 01:51:39,750
You know, when I went out and measured not only is it's on the sloping land, right?

1456
01:51:40,010 --> 01:51:42,270
But, and you have to dig down into it.

1457
01:51:42,470 --> 01:51:43,710
It's just too close.

1458
01:51:43,710 --> 01:51:51,770
But if the geologist says, you can't have them within 25 feet, then basically that's

1459
01:51:51,770 --> 01:51:51,990
really.

1460
01:51:52,730 --> 01:51:57,570
The geologist says this, so then what about the interpretive sign that's right on the edge

1461
01:51:57,570 --> 01:51:58,190
of their tube?

1462
01:51:58,490 --> 01:52:02,770
Can that, that's an improvement, so that has to be 25 feet away?

1463
01:52:03,670 --> 01:52:05,410
I will do the same thing with that.

1464
01:52:05,410 --> 01:52:10,150
I feel comfortable enough to say, because it's a cost of commission requirement anyway.

1465
01:52:10,150 --> 01:52:17,470
If they don't want us to affect the glyphs in a way that is good or destabilizing, so we'll

1466
01:52:17,470 --> 01:52:18,290
do that as well.

1467
01:52:18,510 --> 01:52:20,710
We're going to look to move that to a different location.

1468
01:52:20,870 --> 01:52:25,550
That's going to require the plane F2 degree, but we can move it away from the bluff top,

1469
01:52:25,590 --> 01:52:26,110
no problem.

1470
01:52:26,290 --> 01:52:28,710
That's signs being installed by our own staff.

1471
01:52:29,410 --> 01:52:33,350
So there's no problem stipulating that that needs to be 25 feet away.

1472
01:52:33,970 --> 01:52:37,810
I was out there today and for the bench in that location, there's a much better location

1473
01:52:37,810 --> 01:52:42,130
that shows on the conceptual plan that we'll have no problem placing the bench.

1474
01:52:43,150 --> 01:52:48,410
Okay, so to my question, I'm looking at the plans that sheet number two of nine, where it says

1475
01:52:48,410 --> 01:52:55,010
Roxy, is that just mean one, Roxy, in each spot, there's no quantity there, so I assume

1476
01:52:55,010 --> 01:52:57,450
Roxy with an arrow means just one.

1477
01:52:57,470 --> 01:52:58,010
It's one.

1478
01:52:58,070 --> 01:52:59,170
There's four of those.

1479
01:52:59,170 --> 01:52:59,990
Yes, four in total.

1480
01:53:06,320 --> 01:53:07,140
So the ice spread out.

1481
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:11,540
My big worry was the one that was on right over there, so there's the four benches

1482
01:53:11,540 --> 01:53:17,220
in the location, the approximate location. Again, we'll move them to beat 25 feet from to

1483
01:53:17,220 --> 01:53:20,880
comply with the geographic report. At least 25 feet, I think, is the language.

1484
01:53:21,240 --> 01:53:28,740
So we've got the irrigation, the benches. The line, the water cooler. Now we've, yeah, yeah.

1485
01:53:29,260 --> 01:53:35,240
So drinking fountain. To me, the water cooler, here's one thing that's hard for me to understand.

1486
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:40,900
I see the trail that's going to be at the bluff top. I see it splits in two locations, okay?

1487
01:53:40,900 --> 01:53:45,700
But then I keep hearing you say that you're not touching the trails that are out there.

1488
01:53:45,700 --> 01:53:48,360
When I'm out there, there's trails going every different direction.

1489
01:53:48,620 --> 01:53:51,500
So I'm trying to understand what we're...

1490
01:53:52,220 --> 01:53:53,060
Is that not true?

1491
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:57,640
Well, I mean, I think there's more trails than what we actually call it, the official trail.

1492
01:53:57,740 --> 01:54:00,680
So we only have one long line, right?

1493
01:54:01,660 --> 01:54:06,360
It is, we go to demarcate that prevailing trail.

1494
01:54:07,000 --> 01:54:09,420
We're not going to create any more.

1495
01:54:09,420 --> 01:54:17,480
Right, but I mean because there's several you right there's more than that line in there. So it's nothing being dirt done except for some markers

1496
01:54:17,480 --> 01:54:20,440
I guess right correct everything because

1497
01:54:22,020 --> 01:54:28,660
Two things one I think the markers where it breaks on that first one coming from the north

1498
01:54:28,660 --> 01:54:36,620
That path is scary close to the edge that maybe if you move the markers further down and try to get the break further south because

1499
01:54:36,620 --> 01:54:37,260
I wish.

1500
01:54:38,260 --> 01:54:41,440
I mean, so that's one thing, but the water fountain,

1501
01:54:43,760 --> 01:54:45,080
we were talking about the water fountain.

1502
01:54:45,640 --> 01:54:55,320
So I think that personally, I think that adding the top makes it more, it's not natural

1503
01:54:55,320 --> 01:54:56,200
at all.

1504
01:54:56,200 --> 01:54:59,980
The plans that their thing had just a lower one without

1505
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:08,360
The water bottle filler. To me, I got the dimensions. I think we did to just cap the height of it, right?

1506
01:55:08,580 --> 01:55:12,540
Well, I think that if you don't put the water bottle, seeing on it.

1507
01:55:13,200 --> 01:55:16,340
How much is 54 inches, I think, the water fountain?

1508
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:18,240
With the top water bottle.

1509
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:19,580
Okay. So without that.

1510
01:55:19,580 --> 01:55:22,860
I don't think it's a requirement on the water feeling.

1511
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:29,640
It's approximately 55 inches in height spanning 49 inches in width.

1512
01:55:29,640 --> 01:55:32,860
So, I'm just, that becomes really big.

1513
01:55:33,320 --> 01:55:40,520
So, if you take that off of there, for me, and number one, number two, I think, I don't

1514
01:55:40,520 --> 01:55:48,060
know what everyone thinks, but the second split in the path, I think that is a more natural

1515
01:55:48,060 --> 01:55:53,600
location to put it at so that people, when the path's merged and you put it next to those

1516
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:59,340
rocks that kind of break up, visual that's in your face of it, that it might make more

1517
01:55:59,340 --> 01:56:03,400
since there, because everything right at the end of Avenue,

1518
01:56:04,980 --> 01:56:07,260
Merola is not a natural look.

1519
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:10,000
So you're saying it's over here at this bottom?

1520
01:56:10,640 --> 01:56:11,000
Yeah, we should.

1521
01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:13,360
Do you have a picture that's a little bit?

1522
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:15,040
Are you talking more north?

1523
01:56:15,380 --> 01:56:16,020
Yeah, north.

1524
01:56:16,180 --> 01:56:17,300
No, I'm talking south.

1525
01:56:17,580 --> 01:56:18,180
Oh, south.

1526
01:56:18,900 --> 01:56:21,180
So, I think it's outside the project area, though.

1527
01:56:21,360 --> 01:56:24,000
No, it's not when you, here's the project area.

1528
01:56:24,660 --> 01:56:25,460
Here's this thing.

1529
01:56:28,120 --> 01:56:29,420
You can see here.

1530
01:56:30,340 --> 01:56:32,100
This is the project area, right?

1531
01:56:32,740 --> 01:56:34,680
It's right here.

1532
01:56:37,130 --> 01:56:41,970
Well, I think you should pull up Google Maps on your computer and then we can see it as a group.

1533
01:56:42,430 --> 01:56:42,450
Yes.

1534
01:56:42,890 --> 01:56:45,150
Or if you have a sheet, two of these plans.

1535
01:56:47,900 --> 01:56:50,100
So you see it's in this project area.

1536
01:56:50,360 --> 01:56:50,800
This right here.

1537
01:56:51,880 --> 01:56:52,420
Right here.

1538
01:56:52,540 --> 01:56:54,000
So I think that's.

1539
01:56:55,700 --> 01:56:56,980
If it's over here.

1540
01:56:58,340 --> 01:56:59,500
Because one house.

1541
01:57:00,440 --> 01:57:01,540
I believe near.

1542
01:57:01,740 --> 01:57:03,040
One house is near.

1543
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:08,980
If it's on one house the way is near a street. I mean, we don't have a definition of near

1544
01:57:10,120 --> 01:57:10,600
though

1545
01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:14,600
Right, do I just trying to figure that out just now so I mean we got nowhere

1546
01:57:14,600 --> 01:57:20,840
So let's know where near the answer one house the way from a street is near when you're driving you go

1547
01:57:20,840 --> 01:57:21,580
I'm near

1548
01:57:22,700 --> 01:57:28,720
So I'm just thinking if it's weird the two split that's where people otherwise if it's over on one side here

1549
01:57:28,720 --> 01:57:31,180
Everyone's gonna make their own paths over to it constantly

1550
01:57:31,180 --> 01:57:36,820
So you're talking on this, right here, or can you blow it up a little?

1551
01:57:41,710 --> 01:57:45,190
I think you're talking in front of 2,500% LMR.

1552
01:57:45,410 --> 01:57:46,230
Okay, see?

1553
01:57:46,290 --> 01:57:48,470
Good, but the circle is black and white circle.

1554
01:57:51,740 --> 01:57:56,840
So this is the end of the trail or of the project limits, right?

1555
01:57:57,220 --> 01:57:58,820
Not over there.

1556
01:57:59,020 --> 01:58:01,900
Go to your left, your left, your left there, where it splits.

1557
01:58:02,380 --> 01:58:03,040
All right here.

1558
01:58:03,660 --> 01:58:04,380
Can you zoom in?

1559
01:58:10,690 --> 01:58:12,050
So this area right here.

1560
01:58:12,050 --> 01:58:18,490
Right, because if you're going to put some boulders there that you show, you call them your trail markers or whatever, and you have

1561
01:58:19,250 --> 01:58:24,130
This there with the boulders people aren't going to just see this stainless steel

1562
01:58:24,730 --> 01:58:25,990
thing, right?

1563
01:58:26,770 --> 01:58:35,530
So it kind of breaks it up some. It's still near, but it's better access for both trails. Otherwise, it's just for the trail up above not the trail

1564
01:58:35,530 --> 01:58:41,770
Where you're showing everyone to go. Yes, and I think that's still close to

1565
01:58:42,470 --> 01:58:44,950
where we were thinking, connecting the water.

1566
01:58:45,550 --> 01:58:45,610
Yes.

1567
01:58:45,710 --> 01:58:45,770
Right.

1568
01:58:45,930 --> 01:58:47,550
And you can move the water.

1569
01:58:47,910 --> 01:58:50,830
Because your pipe goes all along that street.

1570
01:58:51,590 --> 01:58:52,990
So you can connect down further.

1571
01:58:53,610 --> 01:58:55,610
And then the other thing I think we should condition.

1572
01:58:56,330 --> 01:58:59,430
If we're not going to put the irrigation system in,

1573
01:58:59,470 --> 01:59:02,070
we don't need to put all the pipes in and do all the digging

1574
01:59:02,070 --> 01:59:04,410
to put the wheeling, right?

1575
01:59:05,730 --> 01:59:09,610
Because you can see, on one of the pages, all the different pipes and things,

1576
01:59:09,610 --> 01:59:18,970
I think we only need a pipe going over and out for the watering, the what do you call it, the drinking fountain.

1577
01:59:19,910 --> 01:59:25,150
The only thing is that location maybe within the 25 feet setback.

1578
01:59:25,770 --> 01:59:26,870
Right, that's yet.

1579
01:59:26,870 --> 01:59:27,430
Might not be.

1580
01:59:27,430 --> 01:59:33,130
See, that's the problem with all because I don't know where the 25, let's see.

1581
01:59:34,130 --> 01:59:38,310
Cynthia, let me see if I can pull that image.

1582
01:59:38,330 --> 01:59:40,170
I'm going to pull Google Maps.

1583
01:59:41,230 --> 01:59:41,750
Do you?

1584
01:59:41,750 --> 01:59:42,950
I'll pull Google Maps.

1585
01:59:55,840 --> 01:59:56,920
I won't be pulling that up.

1586
01:59:57,060 --> 01:59:59,100
Was there anything any other items?

1587
02:00:04,200 --> 02:00:06,920
They already have a warning sign.

1588
02:00:10,220 --> 02:00:20,280
I think just to be clear, we need to put a condition that all the rock seats are to be from PV stone, like at states and these things, because that's what neighbors asked about, and then it's just there.

1589
02:00:20,540 --> 02:00:22,560
They're sitting out there in a big pile.

1590
02:00:22,640 --> 02:00:26,620
Yeah, I know they're sitting out there, but it's just a straightforward thing to keep it clean.

1591
02:00:27,120 --> 02:00:30,840
And neighbors asked for that, and I think it's a reasonable thing.

1592
02:00:37,900 --> 02:00:40,780
You zoom in on, so cool, Matt.

1593
02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:47,400
You're going to go a little bit further south right there, go, keep going, keep going.

1594
02:00:47,980 --> 02:00:52,700
So right where the trail, that's hard to see where the trail is, but I'm sure by sure

1595
02:00:52,700 --> 02:00:54,760
Nendick, he's got the map up if you zoom in.

1596
02:00:54,760 --> 02:00:56,120
Maybe where that car is driving.

1597
02:00:56,460 --> 02:01:00,060
It's a little bit to the right of where the car looks like.

1598
02:01:00,060 --> 02:01:00,400
We're here?

1599
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:01,640
No, not that.

1600
02:01:01,900 --> 02:01:02,680
No, a little bit.

1601
02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:06,660
You're basically at the end of where you're going to do any vegetation.

1602
02:01:08,120 --> 02:01:10,880
Go the other car.

1603
02:01:11,300 --> 02:01:12,280
No, they're not that far.

1604
02:01:13,560 --> 02:01:15,340
Between the south of that car.

1605
02:01:15,700 --> 02:01:17,000
Between the two cars, basically.

1606
02:01:18,140 --> 02:01:21,080
That would be 25 feet, at least from the edge.

1607
02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:27,140
Well, I think you wanted about that location, but then you have to figure out what 25 feet is from the edge, right?

1608
02:01:27,140 --> 02:01:28,320
But there's also a...

1609
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:32,740
Choose it in the report and the geotechnical report and choose the 25 feet if you pull it up.

1610
02:01:33,220 --> 02:01:36,020
Yeah, if you can pull that image that you showed me from the geotechnic report,

1611
02:01:38,670 --> 02:01:39,630
which page was that?

1612
02:01:39,770 --> 02:01:42,010
It's page figure 5.

1613
02:01:43,810 --> 02:01:44,930
Page 5, yeah.

1614
02:01:45,270 --> 02:01:49,270
It says horizontal setback from the bluff should be 25 feet.

1615
02:01:50,110 --> 02:01:54,750
Proposed improvements should not be located within 25 feet of top line.

1616
02:02:13,020 --> 02:02:13,960
It's big five.

1617
02:02:14,420 --> 02:02:15,120
Ah, big.

1618
02:02:16,240 --> 02:02:16,720
It's big five.

1619
02:02:17,200 --> 02:02:17,560
It's big.

1620
02:02:17,640 --> 02:02:20,020
It's a potato chip or it can show you.

1621
02:02:21,460 --> 02:02:21,540
There.

1622
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:24,020
It's aged 18.

1623
02:02:27,120 --> 02:02:28,140
Interesting though.

1624
02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:30,020
How the green line cuts.

1625
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:33,120
I look like it's, it may not be that accurate.

1626
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:35,400
It's just an idea.

1627
02:02:35,700 --> 02:02:36,980
Don't grammatic, maybe.

1628
02:02:46,690 --> 02:02:48,850
So the green line is a 25 feet.

1629
02:02:50,290 --> 02:02:50,770
What do I think?

1630
02:02:50,770 --> 02:02:56,630
back. Correct. Right, but I think as Commissioner Cashley said, is the green line doesn't look so

1631
02:02:56,630 --> 02:03:00,810
accurate in the area we're talking about. You can see how it just does the right angle turn.

1632
02:03:01,330 --> 02:03:05,830
But they're showing the red, I think the red line is the. That's the project boundary.

1633
02:03:06,750 --> 02:03:15,010
That's the project boundary. But the geotech defines the the edge of the cliff with as the

1634
02:03:15,010 --> 02:03:18,050
probably the black line.

1635
02:03:18,690 --> 02:03:20,110
There's two black lines.

1636
02:03:20,290 --> 02:03:25,050
They almost look like the 100 foot contour line.

1637
02:03:25,610 --> 02:03:28,770
But he's defining as he 25 foot.

1638
02:03:28,870 --> 02:03:31,250
As he, H of the cliff.

1639
02:03:32,230 --> 02:03:32,710
Oh, wow.

1640
02:03:39,540 --> 02:03:44,520
And then it's got a very, you know, depending on how steep it is.

1641
02:03:44,980 --> 02:03:46,480
Because in that area, it's really steep.

1642
02:03:46,640 --> 02:03:47,280
But that was out there.

1643
02:03:47,280 --> 02:03:50,320
So that's some areas. It is, yes, that's straight.

1644
02:03:50,920 --> 02:03:52,600
That's not going to hit.

1645
02:03:52,720 --> 02:03:55,400
Do any of these lines represent the bluff line?

1646
02:03:55,740 --> 02:03:56,880
Uh, a bluff top line?

1647
02:03:59,570 --> 02:04:00,230
Um, sorry.

1648
02:04:00,570 --> 02:04:05,090
What was, any, any of these lines show the bluff top line?

1649
02:04:05,770 --> 02:04:06,770
It might be the bottom line.

1650
02:04:07,210 --> 02:04:07,730
Um,

1651
02:04:10,310 --> 02:04:11,730
I don't think the red line is the...

1652
02:04:11,730 --> 02:04:15,450
I think the closely will be that contour line about the 100,

1653
02:04:15,810 --> 02:04:17,810
which is, I think, 10 foot increments.

1654
02:04:18,010 --> 02:04:18,990
So that's the 110.

1655
02:04:18,990 --> 02:04:26,370
And I think that's the closer, again, it's not exactly flat, right, but it's pretty close.

1656
02:04:29,280 --> 02:04:35,580
So the second line with question marks on it, is the bloft up line.

1657
02:04:35,980 --> 02:04:39,820
The end of this line, I agree with you, but I was saying,

1658
02:04:42,200 --> 02:04:44,140
the green is the second line.

1659
02:04:45,060 --> 02:04:47,900
The green is said, but as defined by the geotech,

1660
02:04:54,210 --> 02:04:57,030
it looks like it's paralleling.

1661
02:04:57,030 --> 02:04:58,890
where the shrubbery.

1662
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:13,220
And so right to the right of the blue lines. So we're talking where the green line meets the purple line.

1663
02:05:14,440 --> 02:05:14,880
Yes.

1664
02:05:16,540 --> 02:05:20,220
Could you zoom in to that area?

1665
02:05:22,740 --> 02:05:32,220
So basically, you're asking to move the water fountain down to the edge of the area that's marked as the end of the...

1666
02:05:33,400 --> 02:05:41,220
And it's nice too, because the two residences are not facing directly at the dream fountain.

1667
02:05:41,220 --> 02:05:55,960
missing different directions. On page two on sheet two there's a circle with half black on the left and then a line goes down and another circle and it says match line C sheet five and eight.

1668
02:05:56,720 --> 02:06:00,420
I think where that line intersects the path.

1669
02:06:00,980 --> 02:06:01,760
Near the bottom.

1670
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:04,680
That's about where we're talking, right?

1671
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:05,720
Yes.

1672
02:06:07,520 --> 02:06:11,760
Yeah, but if you go to age five, you can actually see the zoomed in.

1673
02:06:14,810 --> 02:06:15,250
Right.

1674
02:06:15,250 --> 02:06:18,550
It's a little bit further to the left from that passage.

1675
02:06:19,530 --> 02:06:22,130
But the problem with five is it cuts it off.

1676
02:06:22,410 --> 02:06:25,770
So that's why if you go to sheet two,

1677
02:06:28,660 --> 02:06:32,080
where the heavier line is there.

1678
02:06:33,360 --> 02:06:35,520
Let me show.

1679
02:06:36,500 --> 02:06:37,060
See here, Christian.

1680
02:06:37,100 --> 02:06:38,220
One more right here.

1681
02:06:42,970 --> 02:06:47,390
didn't you have a stand-alone water fountain there before you had it

1682
02:06:47,390 --> 02:06:51,430
well but that would be where the rocks are too right at least you had it next to the

1683
02:06:51,430 --> 02:06:56,650
the sign there that i can't remember what that sign says shoreline preserve yeah

1684
02:06:56,650 --> 02:07:01,930
reserve so that was right next to that now it's going to be a stand-alone

1685
02:07:01,930 --> 02:07:04,810
right but the idea i think is if you have the boulders

1686
02:07:04,810 --> 02:07:07,090
and then you don't have the bottle filler

1687
02:07:07,090 --> 02:07:09,670
that it will break up the mass of it

1688
02:07:09,670 --> 02:07:14,470
And it won't look so high because the neighbors were very unhappy that next to that sign,

1689
02:07:14,830 --> 02:07:19,770
then you have this other thing that's 49 inches wide and 55 inches tall.

1690
02:07:20,070 --> 02:07:24,350
As long as it's, you know, in from the road a little bit because at least over by the

1691
02:07:24,350 --> 02:07:30,210
Avenue and Merrill it was, you know, if you're walking a dog or whatever, there's an idea

1692
02:07:30,210 --> 02:07:32,330
of safety there because there's concrete.

1693
02:07:32,930 --> 02:07:36,490
Now if you move it over where the boulders are, where it's just boulders, it has to be behind

1694
02:07:36,490 --> 02:07:38,970
the boulders so you're not out on the street.

1695
02:07:38,970 --> 02:07:42,370
Right, so see in the right there where you thought it,

1696
02:07:42,670 --> 02:07:44,390
yeah, right in that area there.

1697
02:07:44,510 --> 02:07:45,270
That's, yes.

1698
02:07:47,170 --> 02:07:47,910
Where that joins.

1699
02:07:48,970 --> 02:07:53,530
And that way, it's safe because you're not on top of everything,

1700
02:07:53,910 --> 02:07:55,670
but you're also breaking up the mass.

1701
02:07:56,130 --> 02:07:59,310
And that way, both paths have access to it rather than people

1702
02:07:59,310 --> 02:08:01,330
making a new path right up the middle.

1703
02:08:06,220 --> 02:08:08,320
So we just need to describe that as a condition.

1704
02:08:08,480 --> 02:08:10,600
Putting it like right in that where the,

1705
02:08:10,600 --> 02:08:18,820
Where the cursor is in the middle and right where the two paths go this way. Okay, yeah, and they have some what do you guys calm trail

1706
02:08:19,840 --> 02:08:24,480
Markers right there. Yes, I wanted to show this because this one kind of shows the predominant

1707
02:08:25,460 --> 02:08:28,880
Establish trail, right? This is from just Google or helps

1708
02:08:30,380 --> 02:08:35,900
Okay, do we have an accurate description of that space as part of this condition? That's the tough part

1709
02:08:38,820 --> 02:08:45,860
I put relocate the water fountain structure, keeping it nearby Paseo-Domar and Avenue and Marola

1710
02:08:45,860 --> 02:08:50,800
where the two trails meet at the southern point as shown at edge line of planting area

1711
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:54,760
to on full map next to the native trail markers.

1712
02:08:55,120 --> 02:08:56,860
Inside the two trails.

1713
02:08:57,720 --> 02:08:58,340
That's important.

1714
02:08:58,360 --> 02:08:59,360
In the triangle area.

1715
02:08:59,520 --> 02:08:59,800
Yeah.

1716
02:09:00,780 --> 02:09:01,660
Does that make sense?

1717
02:09:01,660 --> 02:09:03,460
As long as it was sent into the microphone,

1718
02:09:03,880 --> 02:09:06,860
Cheryl could transcribe that.

1719
02:09:07,800 --> 02:09:10,620
I hate to move a sheet against myself,

1720
02:09:10,980 --> 02:09:11,940
but I'm going to ask a question.

1721
02:09:13,700 --> 02:09:15,480
I appreciate the effort made,

1722
02:09:15,600 --> 02:09:18,320
and I think that this is near the street.

1723
02:09:19,320 --> 02:09:21,980
My intention is to work and try to get the plane

1724
02:09:21,980 --> 02:09:24,300
off to agree to do it, not so near the street,

1725
02:09:24,420 --> 02:09:26,160
in more than middle of the bluff top.

1726
02:09:27,140 --> 02:09:28,460
I don't really want to go through the exercise

1727
02:09:28,460 --> 02:09:33,760
of trying to find that, but if I'm successful there, with the planning commission we come to

1728
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:38,800
with that, something that's stuck from the street on there somewhere else, it would be more

1729
02:09:40,780 --> 02:09:46,840
not there. Yeah, more in the middle over there that's in an area that has, it's kind of set back

1730
02:09:46,840 --> 02:09:50,840
from the street and it's not something that people are seeing up against the street, it's more

1731
02:09:50,840 --> 02:09:55,420
than the middle of the bluff type area we can mask it with rocks. I'd like to take a shot at that

1732
02:09:55,420 --> 02:09:59,980
less than panic commission is insistent on going for the location that they just went for.

1733
02:10:00,680 --> 02:10:13,040
That would be the standard location, and my suggestion is to allow me to, because that, in based on my meetings with residents out there today, they had concerns about everything on this side, so we moved it more to the middle of the bluff topic.

1734
02:10:13,200 --> 02:10:14,960
As always, with the cursor, where are you?

1735
02:10:15,040 --> 02:10:15,740
Yeah, exactly.

1736
02:10:16,100 --> 02:10:17,640
Near the storm drain, is that what you're saying?

1737
02:10:18,840 --> 02:10:23,440
Well, it would be probably,

1738
02:10:28,470 --> 02:10:31,730
I don't know, control, yep, stop right there, go to your left.

1739
02:10:31,730 --> 02:10:42,510
Yeah, right around in that area, if possible, if they will go for it, that seems to mitigate a lot of the concerns that we've heard from a lot of different people.

1740
02:10:43,530 --> 02:10:50,590
But I appreciate you finding an location that's near our street that's low in the settlement.

1741
02:10:50,950 --> 02:10:56,750
Oh, we could condition what I said, or if you can figure out how to say those words.

1742
02:10:57,170 --> 02:10:58,410
I would approve that.

1743
02:10:59,310 --> 02:11:05,350
What's Oscar? What's the street or it is south of the storm drain all it south of the storm drain?

1744
02:11:05,450 --> 02:11:11,270
Is that Bindini north of the storm drain north of the sort of the south at Bindini?

1745
02:11:11,630 --> 02:11:16,670
Yeah, I think we know that's right. So that would that would leave it a lot of the other

1746
02:11:16,670 --> 02:11:21,850
Certains that we weren't as a preview because we we're not allowed to hear from the people anymore, but I'll share that that's my hurt

1747
02:11:21,850 --> 02:11:24,430
So if you can addition of both ways

1748
02:11:24,430 --> 02:11:31,890
that we're moving it even more north. If we can't, if we can't, if we can't, if the coastal, if the

1749
02:11:31,890 --> 02:11:39,670
plant is in the coastal, if that's something coastal, have a strong opinion about. I don't think

1750
02:11:39,670 --> 02:11:46,250
you're suggesting that the residents prefer that, that could be our option. This is a, this is a,

1751
02:11:46,250 --> 02:11:47,870
I'm just going to do what I'm going to do.

1752
02:11:48,170 --> 02:11:48,790
Michael's.

1753
02:11:49,130 --> 02:11:49,270
Yeah.

1754
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:50,710
And or gives you either.

1755
02:11:50,930 --> 02:11:51,390
Yeah.

1756
02:11:51,650 --> 02:11:52,210
Yeah.

1757
02:11:53,530 --> 02:11:56,830
So some residents of the storm drain.

1758
02:11:59,140 --> 02:11:59,760
Outlet.

1759
02:12:00,140 --> 02:12:00,760
Outfall.

1760
02:12:01,700 --> 02:12:02,940
Water outfall.

1761
02:12:05,080 --> 02:12:05,360
OK.

1762
02:12:05,360 --> 02:12:06,760
I think we have everything.

1763
02:12:07,220 --> 02:12:09,680
Did we any last call for topics that were brought up?

1764
02:12:09,700 --> 02:12:10,160
That we haven't.

1765
02:12:10,640 --> 02:12:17,040
Just to clarify, are we no longer locating the water station near?

1766
02:12:17,040 --> 02:12:19,920
What is it, Passail Del Mar?

1767
02:12:20,220 --> 02:12:20,960
Avenue, a mural.

1768
02:12:21,060 --> 02:12:23,920
Okay, so our first option is near there.

1769
02:12:24,020 --> 02:12:24,620
It's a new near.

1770
02:12:24,620 --> 02:12:25,620
It's a new near.

1771
02:12:26,000 --> 02:12:27,060
Yeah, but it is near.

1772
02:12:27,240 --> 02:12:28,960
It's within one house of it.

1773
02:12:29,540 --> 02:12:29,900
Okay.

1774
02:12:30,420 --> 02:12:31,180
So that's near.

1775
02:12:31,760 --> 02:12:34,440
Or it can be this other location.

1776
02:12:34,440 --> 02:12:37,400
If he gets the permission from the.

1777
02:12:37,480 --> 02:12:38,520
It's from your.

1778
02:12:38,520 --> 02:12:38,760
Yeah.

1779
02:12:38,760 --> 02:12:39,760
The plaintiffs, right?

1780
02:12:40,320 --> 02:12:43,800
So the condition you're adding is a alternative locations.

1781
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:45,360
Two options.

1782
02:12:46,320 --> 02:12:48,540
one's near and one's a little more less near.

1783
02:12:48,740 --> 02:12:50,840
If the plaintiffs say no, then that's not happening.

1784
02:12:53,700 --> 02:12:54,220
Right.

1785
02:12:54,260 --> 02:12:56,400
Okay, I think we can roll through this.

1786
02:12:56,700 --> 02:12:59,340
I always like to look over at Vice Chair Nendick.

1787
02:12:59,660 --> 02:13:01,220
She takes the best notes here.

1788
02:13:01,680 --> 02:13:07,580
Would you like to take a stab at a motion with the conditions that we've discussed?

1789
02:13:09,140 --> 02:13:12,520
Or should we, Commissioner Kashi, are you in a good spot?

1790
02:13:12,780 --> 02:13:15,560
Do you have any other comments to add?

1791
02:13:16,180 --> 02:13:24,920
Okay, but there's one other thing to ask people to question I guess we did kind of talk about it with the city attorney

1792
02:13:25,700 --> 02:13:29,240
So the neighbors are saying asking can we put a

1793
02:13:30,140 --> 02:13:32,100
Use it your own risk sign

1794
02:13:32,100 --> 02:13:36,640
For this at the South Trail is that something reasonable to do or not

1795
02:13:38,260 --> 02:13:40,700
But that's why I'm asking that city attorney

1796
02:13:41,180 --> 02:13:45,440
Yeah. No, we just want to leave the signs as they are. Okay. Perfect.

1797
02:13:45,460 --> 02:13:51,740
Classable. Okay. So do you have anything?

1798
02:13:53,360 --> 02:13:58,540
So why don't I read through the conditions before we're saying we're making our vote.

1799
02:13:58,700 --> 02:14:00,260
You can tell me if I have something wrong.

1800
02:14:00,660 --> 02:14:01,600
Okay. Does that make sense?

1801
02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:04,680
But I think you need to start it with the motion language, right?

1802
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:07,600
No, but I'm saying let's not do that. This is a practice.

1803
02:14:07,760 --> 02:14:09,440
You're going to have to repeat it. Okay.

1804
02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:12,540
We could, we could, you know how many times we switch things?

1805
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:15,380
I think you can just go for it.

1806
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:17,900
Just make the motion and then read the conditions.

1807
02:14:18,900 --> 02:14:20,460
We will revise as we go.

1808
02:14:20,540 --> 02:14:21,920
Oh, wait, I need to change, right?

1809
02:14:22,340 --> 02:14:24,420
Because I had to relocate the rock benches,

1810
02:14:24,840 --> 02:14:26,460
but if, I don't, we don't have to put that if we say,

1811
02:14:33,550 --> 02:14:34,330
okay, look.

1812
02:14:34,650 --> 02:14:36,030
I can make it suggest.

1813
02:14:36,030 --> 02:14:36,710
Here's what I heard.

1814
02:14:36,790 --> 02:14:37,890
Let's see if I got it right.

1815
02:14:39,350 --> 02:14:45,790
Apply with the geotechnical report specifically on the 25-foot setback.

1816
02:14:46,190 --> 02:14:49,110
No plans to grow over four feet.

1817
02:14:52,910 --> 02:14:54,090
I'm going to come back to this one.

1818
02:14:54,190 --> 02:14:59,770
Remove the water ball or a fill station feature or the top of the thing.

1819
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:02,840
We can condition it at brown, if you'd like,

1820
02:15:04,900 --> 02:15:13,600
and all rocks need to be pv stone, and the final one is the

1821
02:15:15,700 --> 02:15:24,080
relocation of the water fountain to the north of the storm drain, and if not to the,

1822
02:15:28,120 --> 02:15:29,600
I don't know how you guys

1823
02:15:29,600 --> 02:15:38,220
fall back. And so my only, I, I, I, I, I hear that. And I have the condition.

1824
02:15:38,940 --> 02:15:43,800
That's the one I skipped. I have the condition. But I'm just going to, like I said,

1825
02:15:43,960 --> 02:15:49,100
hate, hate negotiating against myself. I'm, I'm a little bit concerned about this

1826
02:15:49,100 --> 02:15:56,800
and, and you can condition it. Staff needs to inquire on cost associated with hand watering

1827
02:15:56,800 --> 02:16:01,580
and water and trucks and all those types of things, we fully intend to do that, should it be

1828
02:16:01,580 --> 02:16:06,400
something that costs the city more money than that will be something that the city council will

1829
02:16:06,400 --> 02:16:10,620
have to deal with. You can condition it. We can condition it and they can change the condition

1830
02:16:10,620 --> 02:16:15,480
when it goes before them. Yeah, but it can't go before them until September, right?

1831
02:16:16,700 --> 02:16:20,940
And it is, and what is a dice you want? But we're not coming back to the council's

1832
02:16:20,940 --> 02:16:26,060
September 8, we'll do our best to get those costs. I hear everyone's concerns about this,

1833
02:16:26,060 --> 02:16:28,740
but I just needed to say, you can get this in it,

1834
02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:30,660
but I just don't know where it's gonna end up.

1835
02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:32,700
I don't see any other areas being of concern.

1836
02:16:33,300 --> 02:16:34,600
Just don't know if this irrigation thing

1837
02:16:34,600 --> 02:16:35,720
is kind of thrown us for a little bit.

1838
02:16:35,740 --> 02:16:38,800
In your list, there is also the note saying,

1839
02:16:39,020 --> 02:16:40,860
comply with City Geologist Recommendation.

1840
02:16:41,020 --> 02:16:41,520
Yes or what?

1841
02:16:41,540 --> 02:16:43,000
I was afraid to say, all right.

1842
02:16:43,700 --> 02:16:45,840
So, does that help summarize?

1843
02:16:47,800 --> 02:16:50,580
And to make it easier, yes to make it clear,

1844
02:16:50,920 --> 02:16:54,680
that's option one and two, if that's not what we're thinking, right?

1845
02:16:54,680 --> 02:16:58,440
Yeah, and so we can include this in our minutes.

1846
02:17:13,230 --> 02:17:26,130
I'd like to move to adopt resolution number PCR-2026-021 to approve the project with the additional conditions.

1847
02:17:27,870 --> 02:17:34,670
When plans must call out the 25 foot set back and all improvements must respect the geologists report recommendation

1848
02:17:34,670 --> 02:17:35,750
to

1849
02:17:38,310 --> 02:17:44,310
all rock seat benches must be made from locally-sourced PV stone selected by the city

1850
02:17:44,310 --> 02:17:46,910
from existing city on rock.

1851
02:17:47,070 --> 02:17:48,890
That's what plans I have.

1852
02:17:52,180 --> 02:17:52,900
Three,

1853
02:17:55,460 --> 02:17:58,000
no plant species shall be planted that.

1854
02:17:58,200 --> 02:18:03,200
Per garden guides, execlipides are other plant reference sources exceed a mature height

1855
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:04,120
of

1856
02:18:06,710 --> 02:18:07,610
four feet.

1857
02:18:11,770 --> 02:18:23,810
The city must, for the city must maintain all proposed vegetation below a maximum height of four feet and adhere to an enforcement protocol available to the public.

1858
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:29,580
Can you clarify that last, what's the enforcement protocol?

1859
02:18:30,540 --> 02:18:32,480
Well, there already is a enforcement protocol.

1860
02:18:32,480 --> 02:18:43,220
I think there's an enforcement protocol that the parklands, the parklands and Carl follow for enforcing no.

1861
02:18:43,220 --> 02:18:44,320
I think so.

1862
02:18:44,420 --> 02:18:44,700
Okay.

1863
02:18:45,060 --> 02:18:50,280
City has the website that you can submit an issue, right, that you say, hey, right.

1864
02:18:50,540 --> 02:18:55,340
I mean, we have an enforcement protocol for, you know, site distance and that kind

1865
02:18:55,340 --> 02:18:55,760
of stuff.

1866
02:18:56,100 --> 02:18:57,440
Not for views.

1867
02:18:57,560 --> 02:18:59,040
Cheryl, how would you recommend they say?

1868
02:18:59,060 --> 02:19:01,440
But you already said they have to maintain this for ten years.

1869
02:19:01,800 --> 02:19:02,760
Probably the last part of the sentence.

1870
02:19:03,040 --> 02:19:03,740
And I think we're fine.

1871
02:19:04,080 --> 02:19:06,820
It's already part of the agreement that they have to maintain all the information.

1872
02:19:06,980 --> 02:19:07,500
It's important for ten years.

1873
02:19:08,840 --> 02:19:10,000
I would drop the end.

1874
02:19:10,000 --> 02:19:17,040
And it's going to be the applicant's going to be required to maintain it and can comply with the condition of the applicant in this city.

1875
02:19:17,500 --> 02:19:25,940
Okay. So it's applicant must maintain, I'll propose vegetation below maximum height of four feet.

1876
02:19:26,360 --> 02:19:26,960
All right.

1877
02:19:27,820 --> 02:19:28,140
Okay.

1878
02:19:30,520 --> 02:19:32,680
Relocate the water fountain structure.

1879
02:19:33,560 --> 02:19:34,540
Keeping it nearby.

1880
02:19:34,540 --> 02:19:39,800
I say O'Dell Maran, Avenue de Marola, where the two trails meet at the southern point as

1881
02:19:39,800 --> 02:19:45,580
shown at the edge line of planting area, too, on the full map sheet next to the native

1882
02:19:45,580 --> 02:19:46,480
trail markers.

1883
02:19:49,730 --> 02:19:50,330
Or

1884
02:19:52,980 --> 02:19:53,580
north.

1885
02:19:54,940 --> 02:19:58,080
Does it need to say make best efforts, too?

1886
02:19:59,020 --> 02:19:59,800
Do those things?

1887
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:06,020
I don't think you can guarantee that right now, right? So, can it say make best efforts to relocate?

1888
02:20:06,660 --> 02:20:11,820
I think that would be a much better condition because we cannot guarantee what plaintiff's council or the

1889
02:20:11,820 --> 02:20:16,740
co-commission or any of the stakeholders involved can commit to or agree to.

1890
02:20:16,960 --> 02:20:20,400
Just start it with make best effort, too.

1891
02:20:20,400 --> 02:20:22,260
I would have it, I have to.

1892
02:20:26,460 --> 02:20:35,800
Well, your opinion, but if you can't do it, and we hold up the whole, we go back to litigation

1893
02:20:35,800 --> 02:20:38,820
or go back on the settlement, correct, if they won't agree to it.

1894
02:20:38,880 --> 02:20:46,960
There is a risk that the will be rejected and considered violation of the settlement agreement.

1895
02:20:47,260 --> 02:20:51,800
But we're keeping it near, that's a whole point of keeping it nearby, or the other option

1896
02:20:54,540 --> 02:21:02,900
I believe the plaintiff's council, coastal commission, all looked at the locations and

1897
02:21:02,900 --> 02:21:06,960
everybody agreed to the plans as proposed to the commission.

1898
02:21:07,800 --> 02:21:14,340
So if we change that too much, then we run into a big issue.

1899
02:21:14,340 --> 02:21:22,640
If you're reading the entire thing, I would change instead of respecting the geologist's

1900
02:21:22,640 --> 02:21:23,000
recommendation.

1901
02:21:23,380 --> 02:21:24,020
I would say compartment.

1902
02:21:26,970 --> 02:21:28,350
This is why I said let's read and read it.

1903
02:21:28,510 --> 02:21:30,410
I have to do the whole thing.

1904
02:21:30,430 --> 02:21:31,950
Am I doing the whole thing over again?

1905
02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:36,730
Read the conditions into that record place.

1906
02:21:40,730 --> 02:21:41,270
From the beginning.

1907
02:21:44,600 --> 02:21:47,100
Let's start with condition number one.

1908
02:21:50,980 --> 02:21:56,560
Number one, Plans must call out the 25-foot set back, and all improvements must

1909
02:21:59,370 --> 02:22:00,030
comply.

1910
02:22:00,170 --> 02:22:09,640
Come by with the Geologists Report recommendation to all rock seat benches must be made from locally,

1911
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:14,180
source PV stones selected by the city from existing city on rock.

1912
02:22:15,100 --> 02:22:20,900
Three, no plant species shall be planted that per garden books,

1913
02:22:20,900 --> 02:22:26,820
Encyclopedias or other plant reference sources exceed a mature height of four feet maximum

1914
02:22:28,240 --> 02:22:34,500
For the applicant must maintain all proposed vegetation below maximum height of four feet

1915
02:22:43,130 --> 02:22:43,930
Five

1916
02:22:43,930 --> 02:22:47,070
You were on a roll to keep going

1917
02:22:47,070 --> 02:22:53,270
But I just said that you'll make best efforts make best efforts

1918
02:22:53,270 --> 02:22:57,690
I know it's not ideal but it I think in good

1919
02:22:57,690 --> 02:23:07,720
faith, they really want to move to the water fountain, structure, keeping it nearby to say

1920
02:23:07,720 --> 02:23:12,880
Odomar and Avonita, Marola, where the two trails meet at the southern point as shown

1921
02:23:12,880 --> 02:23:18,300
an edge line of planting area to on full map next to the native trail markers,

1922
02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:22,500
the south

1923
02:23:22,500 --> 02:23:32,220
east edge also shown on sheet 8. Helping maintain a more natural looking field of the

1924
02:23:33,590 --> 02:23:35,370
near V of Andy.

1925
02:23:36,310 --> 02:23:36,730
Near.

1926
02:23:38,670 --> 02:23:38,930
V is.

1927
02:23:39,530 --> 02:23:40,150
We're all.

1928
02:23:40,830 --> 02:23:41,130
Yes.

1929
02:23:43,780 --> 02:23:43,940
Okay.

1930
02:23:43,940 --> 02:23:44,380
Maybe not.

1931
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:46,120
Forget the.

1932
02:23:46,360 --> 02:23:46,540
Yeah.

1933
02:23:49,150 --> 02:23:49,570
Six.

1934
02:23:50,850 --> 02:23:56,030
The drinking station shall consist of a drinking fountain for people and dogs as required by

1935
02:23:56,030 --> 02:23:56,630
agreement.

1936
02:23:56,950 --> 02:23:57,910
Exhibit one.

1937
02:23:57,990 --> 02:24:00,350
No bottle refilling station shall be included.

1938
02:24:01,350 --> 02:24:04,870
Which would further impact views of the scenic coastline.

1939
02:24:04,870 --> 02:24:08,290
And detracts from the natural looking field of the bluff top area.

1940
02:24:30,180 --> 02:24:30,840
Seven.

1941
02:24:31,180 --> 02:24:35,220
Remove the watering system is shown on sheet five, including the main line and

1942
02:24:35,220 --> 02:24:35,900
laterals.

1943
02:24:36,140 --> 02:24:42,300
Circuit control valve, bubbler nozzles, on-grade lateral pipes, and anchorings, et cetera.

1944
02:24:43,420 --> 02:24:43,860
Eight.

1945
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:49,220
Require a watering service to water plants with watering trucks throughout the plant

1946
02:24:49,220 --> 02:24:50,520
establishment period.

1947
02:24:52,020 --> 02:24:52,340
Nine.

1948
02:24:52,340 --> 02:24:59,100
can we go back on it and investigate the costs first? Yeah, but that was that's after

1949
02:25:00,500 --> 02:25:05,580
That's after today for the Council to decide.

1950
02:25:06,060 --> 02:25:10,720
But I think it's implanted because I have to maintain the vegetation for 10 years, so I think...

1951
02:25:10,720 --> 02:25:15,640
Right, and if they do it, and the city council chains that remove that condition.

1952
02:25:18,310 --> 02:25:27,750
Nine relocate the waterline connection from the existing six-foot water main to line up with a new location of the water fountain if approved.

1953
02:25:33,830 --> 02:25:36,890
Okay, so I'm good, do we have a second?

1954
02:25:37,250 --> 02:25:37,690
Second?

1955
02:25:37,690 --> 02:25:40,330
All right, second from Commissioner Cowson, all in favor.

1956
02:25:40,850 --> 02:25:41,110
Hi.

1957
02:25:41,690 --> 02:25:42,130
Opposed?

1958
02:25:42,650 --> 02:25:44,530
Motion carries 5-0.

1959
02:25:45,650 --> 02:25:48,550
Thank you all, everyone, for staying late, and for all your input.

1960
02:25:48,990 --> 02:25:52,450
Do we have any other announcements before we close the meetings?

1961
02:25:54,430 --> 02:25:55,370
Thank you, City staff.

1962
02:25:55,730 --> 02:25:57,290
Instead of turning, appreciate all your help.

1963
02:25:57,310 --> 02:25:58,010
I'm letting it go.

1964
02:25:58,010 --> 02:26:04,630
I'm meeting adjourned at 6, 24 p.m.