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Good morning, everybody. Without further delay, we're going to call the Hillside Building Committee meeting the order. Today is Wednesday, October 18. It is just a little past 8 a.m. And what I like to do is start with introductions of the committee and staff if they'd like. My name is Scott Jarson. I am the citizen member of the committee and the current chair.

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I'm Scott Tan. I'm also a citizen member of the committee. Thank you.

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I'm apparently.

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Thanks for being here.

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Yeah, here we go.

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And, um, what else do we have?

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Commissioner Nisekis. Yeah. Commissioner Nisekis. Can you hear us? Okay.

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Yeah.

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He's connecting, getting a lot of feedback.

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We'll try that. I know he's here. So thank you and welcome.

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And we have somebody new joining us today.

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Would you like to introduce yourself?

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Good morning. Thank you.

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I'm Chad Weaver, the Community Development Director.

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Great. Chad, thanks for being here. Welcome.

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All right. Now that we're called to order,

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I just want to remind everyone from time to time,

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We may need to convene into an executive session to discuss any of the items on today's agenda with the town attorney.

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If we do that, we will just make a motion to go into executive session.

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We'll clear the room and then we'll invite everybody back in.

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One other piece of housekeeping, the committee will review the items on the agenda today.

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at the end of each item review with the committee we will call for public comments.

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So if anybody is here from the public to discuss these items on the agenda today, please come on up.

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Grab a microphone, introduce yourself by name, and please keep your comments to roughly about three minutes.

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All right, we've got some nice agenda today.

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We're going to start with item 23281, if we're ready.

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and before we start, we just want to make sure that we are connected and that they can hear us as well online.

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Yeah, Scott?

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Yeah, say we go.

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Good morning.

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I just want to make sure, yeah, I was on mute.

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I'll be back soon.

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So Bill Neseek is here, member of the Planning Commission.

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Excellent.

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Thank you for being here today.

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Appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And then also if John or Mike either of you could hear me or hear us if you could just confirm.

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Oh my God.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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A little bit of technical difficulty.

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Yeah.

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Please stand by.

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I just want to confirm you can hear me.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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We're all confirmed.

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Thank you.

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We're good to go.

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Yes.

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All right.

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We're going to start with item A on the staff report agenda today.

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This is a formal review for a major remodel to a single family residence.

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the address is 5355 East Desert Vista Road and if you'd like to introduce this to us, what's that?

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Yes, of course. So as you mentioned, this is a major remodel to an existing home. It went through

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a concept preview and this is a formal. This is an aerial view of the home or what it looked like.

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this is the map of where it is within the town and

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essentially this project or

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construction started a while back. It was an illegal construction that was

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started without permits. This is what the home used to look like. So it had

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man's or roofs.

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You can see it all all the way around. This is what the home looked

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like.

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From this area of view you could see that the home did have some walls here.

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which includes the pole area. They also had some fencing back here. The scope of the remodel

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basically touched the exterior facade walls and as since they kept the roof the same

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and hence they did not have to remove these walls. They also did minimal landscaping or

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proposed minimal landscaping changes. All of these areas kind of stayed the same. The driveway

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way did come out used to be payers as you could see from some of these photos, at least

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the circular portion of it used to be payers and they went to DG.

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The lot is approximately 0.97 acres or 41656 square feet.

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As I mentioned, not a lot of changes occurred to the home.

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They did extend some patio areas specifically to the front of the house and then in the

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rear as well.

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So this

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is what the proposed elevations will look like in essence.

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They took off the mansard roofs.

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They made it more modern in terms of height.

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the height that they're calling out they did increase the

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parapet height and that's 20 feet and

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this is what the original home used to

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look like. So it's almost that 20 feet on this chimney and like I mentioned

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some of those parapet it's kind of met this other existing height on this the

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tallest point which was 20 feet already from this answer roof and

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this is due to

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The amount of changes that were done, they were not required to submit a full safety

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improvement plan.

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We are requiring them to submit a grading and drainage plan, depending on the valuation

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of the project, they may have to submit a full grading and drainage plan with potential

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upgrades to the site, but that's in the future.

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in terms of the building materials that they are proposing.

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So they are, these series walls are going to be a gray color.

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It is within the LRV of 30, 38% or less.

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These are some of the papers that they are proposing.

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It's this gray stone.

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Some of the facades will have this other black chip stone.

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it's a dark black color. Their garage door is going to be painted white and then they do have these

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wall scone lights that they are proposing as well.

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This is what the home is going to look like.

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So as you can see it's very modern to complete change from what the existing was or what the

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previous was.

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And then in terms of lighting, they are not proposing any landscape lighting,

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with me.

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The lighting that they are proposing does not meet the lumens. We had

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notified them about this. Essentially, they are proposing 16 wall sconces.

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16 wall sconces,

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This Lumen count is over 2,000 per code.

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They're allowed at 750.

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In terms of the downlights, there's 8 that they called out.

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Those are also over the Lumen count of 750.

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And you can see where these wall sconces are.

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Look, in this area, you'll even this area as well.

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And then towards the rear,

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there is no solar.

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to the public sewer system or fire marshal had no comments to provide either.

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At this point, I'd like to ask the applicant to join us.

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And then if they have anything to add.

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Good morning, welcome.

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Good morning, I'm Scott shorter with advocate.

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And we're helping the homeowner navigate through the hillside approval process.

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Ryan Patterson, Patterson Homes.

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Welcome. Thanks for being here.

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Great. Anything you want to add to those A's presentations?

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Let me see. The only question that I had is in regards to the exterior lighting.

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As it relates to the formal review, is that something that can just be redlined on the

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plans and then submitted separately, or does it have to go through another formal review

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process?

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I think I'll answer that staff can chip in, but generally today, as we review things, there

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might be some things that we stipulate as part of your approval.

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Some of the lighting changes could roll into that and that would get you on your way.

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You'd submit that revised plan sheet to staff for review and then they would get typically

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with chair for kind of both eyes on and just final approval, keep you moving forward.

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Wonderful.

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Thank you.

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You're welcome.

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Thanks.

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I'd just like to add that we're trying to be compliant with everything, we're not trying

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and not be not compliant on anything in this project.

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I want to get it punished for this investor

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and get it look pretty again.

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Great. Well, we appreciate you coming in.

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It's always good to kind of write a mistake

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and so we're happy to have you here.

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I just have a question a little bit more

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and it is on lighting.

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If we can get to that one lighting sheet

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that shows the plan right there.

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Yeah. So you're right.

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Where your cursor is along the line there.

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There's like four, those are recessed cans.

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I might, I know we have to, we have to kind of bring that in a little bit as it is.

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I also like to see those moved further away from the structure.

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One of the things we try to avoid is washing any of the architectural vertical surfaces.

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So pull it out a little further on those lights.

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So it should be centered in my opinion.

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So looking at this question of the applicant, if you thought a little bit about what could

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be changed, eliminated, bring it into compliance on lighting?

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We can just lighting as far as the lumens that they show, first off, as far as that's concerned,

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we're happy to do so or if we need to take away certain things to make it into compliance.

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That's absolutely fine as well.

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I believe there was, I must have not yet uploaded but I believe there was a landscape lighting

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plan just to be in compliance to make sure everyone was on the same page. So whatever you

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guys need to do for landscape lighting we're happy to do so to make it all work.

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that'll be important. I was just texting the architect as well because he's he's not

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sick so trying to take his heart. Yeah, I'm sorry about it but I'm trying to help out where I can't

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agree. So we didn't get the memory should dress in black and then we would have just thought

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It's almost like that, that's the black box, it's almost like that, but yeah, and I know

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that the issue on the on the paper, I guess, on the bottom for the civil, they were just

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going to keep the quarter minus and just compact it and braid it correctly.

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Whatever issue that may be.

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Do we have a landscape plan?

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I don't remember seeing it.

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I don't think so.

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It's just on the render.

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But we do have a landscape mainly.

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We'll be scroll through and find it.

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We look for that if there's any other questions from committee.

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Feel free to go ahead.

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I have a couple of.

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First staff first.

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So, just to confirm, because I couldn't really follow it, the driveway is not bigger or smaller. It's the same. Correct. Okay. So it did not affect any coverage or anything like that. No. But again, the material is different. Yes. Okay. So it used to be papers and now it's a DG. DG. Okay. Got it. And in your commentary, you indicated there is no landscape lighting changes.

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but now we're hearing from the applicant that there will be.

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Apparently.

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Yeah.

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So were we informed or not informed?

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Not informed.

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No.

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We kept pressing them on different items.

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This isn't as much as we got.

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So.

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Okay, so that was a surprise to you as well.

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Correct.

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This is a landscape plan that's shown on screen.

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Yeah.

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And we had asked them about any lighting that was taking place with them.

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the last landscape area and they said none was going to be provided.

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I mean, I think they're just to add some more to the meeting.

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To add some clarity, they're from our perspective.

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I may have a little bit out of tune.

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Originally, we were considering landscape lighting, but in the recent middle, we deleted

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all landscape lighting.

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So what you have here is the complete and final.

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Oh, I'm just about to apologize.

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Okay.

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as far as moving forward with the meeting,

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there's not a landscape lighting plan or intentions to add it.

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Yeah, and that's that's what I recall with our discussion is there was no landscape lighting.

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But this is their landscape plan.

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Okay, so I'm just going to make a comment that exact statement's been made before and then two months later it's like, you know, a ball yard.

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After everything's done and we're gone and then it's all put in and we've had to have it removed.

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So just if there's not going to be any that's great.

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Yeah, we want to be if there's going to be we should review it 100% okay, I just said okay

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are there is this project done?

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No

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This goes back months we did a stop work order and then also the building division went out there and did a stop work order as well

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Because they started condemning they started illegal instruction

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when we went out there, they had essentially started doing work on the site towards the garage

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on this area and then later on, they did more work on this, basically taking down that

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The only thing, like I mentioned, that we, we noted when driving by there again is that they took out the circular driveway. This other driveway is intact, but the circular one was taken out.

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So thank you.

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The stop workers, the stop work order is still in place.

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And then the building division had notified me as well that they had requested a special inspection be done by a third party and then they will continue once hillside has approved.

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They will continue their review sort of their inspections.

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last question, is there a cap on by code on scott's count per square foot or per

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something, or is it more the fixture itself meeting requirements? So the for

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wall sconces in particular they are limited to outdoor living areas and

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entryways, they're not limited in the amount. Are there any on this project that

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are in locations that don't meet the requirement outside of the fixture

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itself. No. Okay. Thank you. I'm done. Thank you.

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Any other questions or comments?

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Scott, Bill Nasekis here. I'm just getting back to the landscape lighting. I guess just from

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pure safety perspective, and I guess the town doesn't require it, but I understand no, you know,

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up lighting on trees and rocks and such, but wouldn't there be some consideration for what I

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would call pathway lighting or something that the residents or guests would obviously avail

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themselves of. They were approaching the home, etc. Wouldn't that just be a no-brainer to put in

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some sort of, you know, whether they're the little Malibu lights or something that would

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provide for, you know, safe comings and goings onto the property and back again.

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Yeah, so the those that go to does not require any type of exterior lighting or landscape lighting.

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Obviously we question all our applicants about landscape lighting in particular for that reason

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and for safety. At minimum, we would expect to see path lighting. That is not the case

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with this home. But should the applicant at this point decide to tell us in the future

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they do you want to pursue that? That's a stipulation that we can add. If they want to submit a

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lighting, or if they want to submit a revised landscape plan with lighting, we can then

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review it, do a chairman review with staff and the chair as well.

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Okay, thanks for today.

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And it makes sense on some level to have some safety lighting were needed for guests

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and homeowners.

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And you've got some wall sconces at openings as code, so that helps.

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But I've got some ideas here on how we might present that.

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One question, and then I think we brought this up, and I just noticed it.

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So, roof surfaces to be painted, built up foam, that's kind of a foam roof painted LRV

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complaint colors.

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I think we talked a little bit about doing some sort of granular codes and code, something

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we're moving to pushing that on to these rules to get a less reflective finish and stuff.

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Would you be open to completing that as part of the roof as part of the approval today?

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Yeah, okay. Yeah, we're just we just want to build a move forward the South is kind of an isolated neighborhood

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And we just want to get it get it cleaned up and get it get it back in compliance as soon as possible.

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Thank you

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So in one question on the landscape lighting

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so if if we modify our plan sheet and add some pathway lighting

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then that would be just just a staff submittal to Jose and

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for his approval or yes so within the report right now there's a stipulation for the lighting

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for the home and so that's to revise it, update it with something that meets the code

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that would be reviewed by staff and the chair and so if you would like to do that and you can.

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So in regards to time, is it better that we let the board give us a suggestion to what would be

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acceptable or is it better than we submit because I just don't want us to go on submit something that

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maybe isn't proper and it has to come back around. I think the answer is less is more and I would

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suggest you just have a quick meeting with staff just to kind of go over you know if you can hit the

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most minimal for safety and life possible that would speed any of any stipulation approval that

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would come through. Understood. Yeah. Perfect. And kind of what I'm hearing from staff and what I'm

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seeing on plan is that you're a little overlit right now. So everything's going to come down a

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little bit. So that means it comes down a little more so you can get that landscape lighting in

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it. I'm sorry. Okay. No problem. Well, that's good news. And that we wouldn't be moved to another

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formal review meeting like that. Yeah. Yeah. So far so good. So far so good. Thank you again.

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Any other questions from committee? Please. Unfortunately, one more sorry. So on that exact sheet right there, the garage door picture is white, but it says painted black mat.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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It should be blocked.

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I believe.

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Okay.

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I just want to make sure the renderings and the picture and what's happening.

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Yeah.

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I think I misspoke earlier.

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Yes.

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That is not black.

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Okay.

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And if we could go to the renderings.

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The render shows it as well.

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Yeah.

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Right.

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All of the glass looks like it's opaque white.

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Is it?

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Or is that just like, I have a blind down.

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I think it's.

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I have a blind.

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I should just be clear.

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glass. Okay.

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So it's not it's not a frosty glass. I was there. Okay. Thank you. All right.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions or comments from the committee? Well, I'd like to open it up for any members of

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the community. They're here to speak on this. Is there anybody here? Please come right up here and we'll

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Chair Mike.

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Good morning.

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My name is Ed Comets. I'm a neighbor to the west and I'm here with

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another neighbor to the west. This project has been a relative nightmare for the neighborhood.

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I'd like to pass some pictures around. The construction was originally done in gross

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non-compliance with any code requirements or community standards, the property is still

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not completely fenced off. The fencing has altered sheets around it. The property

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was essentially, I mean, I can't imagine this is a nice part of Paradise Valley, all areas

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are nice, but this is on basically the roadrunner area where there are a lot of new candle area homes being

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built, our house is a candle area home, and this home is an absolute isolate in the neighborhood.

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It's been like this for over two years. We've called to complain on multiple occasions.

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There were no outhouses on the property, and so the workers would come over to the desert behind

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our property which we own and go to the bathroom, bring toilet paper over there, they would go to the

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bathroom in the dumpsters on the property. If there were any problems with things fitting, for

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example, windows fitting, people would just start demolishing other parts, you know, the perimeter

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around the window to make sure that the windows fit. I think it's a dangerous property the way it

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it currently stands. At this point, I think everything should be planned out because there is a

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tendency, a great tendency not to comply or to do the least amount possible. Even the fencing

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around the property is an absolute eye sore. Multiple neighbors have complained. They've asked me to

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voice are concerns on behalf of the neighborhood, I think that if there is going to be a landscape

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plan, I would like to know what the landscape plan is. But at the same time, I understand

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the need to move this forward quickly because of what we've endured over the past couple

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of years. Their neighbors who have had their houses for sale, who have complained that their

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houses are probably going for less money because this house is such a complete

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eye-sour in the neighborhood.

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Thank you. Thank you for comments. Appreciate your

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patience on this. We see this from time to time so it's great to have neighbors

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come and speak up. Great. I appreciate it. Thank you. So if I can ask you

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questions? Yeah, sure. Absolutely. I'm hearing you want to

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done in compliance of the code and quickly. Well, it's been two years and it hasn't

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been up to code and the town is obviously not monitoring it even as it stands because

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the fencing issues and we've made complaints and we've not been responded to. So quickly

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is less important than in compliance but I feel like both the builder and the town have fallen

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out on the job here. Understood. Thank you.

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Okay. Anyone else to speak on this item? Feel free?

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if you'd like to come on, if you'll like everything said you need to have said.

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That's a tentacle term I think, but we totally get what you're saying.

359
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Well great.

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Any other questions or comments from committee?

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Yeah, I just like to comment. So, you know, we were brought in by the owner laid in the process

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to help facilitate getting the home through the hillside process and monitor construction

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throughout in order to ensure that it's fully and compliant with with all town

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of Paradise Valley regulations and the uniform building code that no shortcuts are going to be taken.

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From this point forward. We're an independent management group that will be overseeing, working with the general contractor and overseeing the final work that's done. So we can assure you from our perspective that the house is going to be followed incredibly closely to ensure that it isn't complete compliance

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with plans and specifications provided.

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Well, thank you.

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Just to be clear, any approval today

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would be based on your compliance.

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So once you're permitted and ready to move forward,

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you'll have to make rapid compliance with the health

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and safety concerns by the town and by the neighbors.

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So that would include fencing, security,

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policing and materials, you know,

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of health items such as portageons, et cetera.

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So that would have to happen quite rapidly

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with the permit, just so you know that's coming.

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Yeah, good.

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And I can add as well a few different things.

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So everyone of our jobs, I just homes when it's active

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has a full 24-7 surveillance camera in the front.

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So if someone's on the property, it has blinking lights,

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but go off as far as like red and blue

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to try to get to or anyone from trying to get in.

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In regards to the fencing, that's the third party company.

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So we'll be talking to them immediately,

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give them to fix that as far as the wind that kind of pulled the screen off.

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Screened only lasts for so long, but we apologize for that.

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We're not trying to not be in compliance.

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And in regards to building kind of things like that, we 100% will make sure the house is in compliance and done correctly.

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Thank you.

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So I have a follow-up question.

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Please.

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Given the statements, Mr. Schroeder, how long have you been involved with the project?

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Okay. Oh, since February. Okay. And Mr. Patterson. Since the beginning. Since the beginning.

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Yes, sir. So this project has been under your care system. Yeah, under Patterson. I'm just

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scared. Correct. So what's different now? In other words, why isn't there security now? Why isn't

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defense already prepared. So the fence that I don't know why the fence hasn't been

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repaired. So is it going to have all the management? Yeah, yeah, I'm going to be managing

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over the top. So, okay, all right. Yeah, I'm sure that's done as far as like Porter Johnson

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like that. Every job site has that.

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Did this job site not have a port of potty? I believe

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it did at one point. And I believe it's not there now because the job has been vacant for

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a while.

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May I also add a camera before as well?

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So my recommendation is, as just a member of this committee, obviously we don't manage

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projects.

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We just approve plans and, but I would hope that the comments from the town and the affirmations

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of the applicant's representatives would be passed on to building and safety and that those

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Those who have the responsibility in the town to manage the project could get this information

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and make sure that they're on it.

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Yes, absolutely.

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So essentially, I think what they've been doing some interior work, typically when it's interior

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work, that's the building division, that's getting involved.

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So I will let them know to go out there and just make sure that the jobs take.

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The construction staging is done correctly, as part of our approvals, they will have to submit an updated construction staging plan.

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That's required for all of our applicants. Essentially, when they're doing interior work and it doesn't trigger any type of review or approval through a hillside, that's just through the building division.

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So we have not seen a construction staging plan, but once they submit permits, then we will review it.

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And that will go along with, before we get to that point, they'll have to comply with any stipulations that are added today as well.

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I

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notice the updated staging plan is not a stipulation now.

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No, that's standard. There's four items that are standard for us prior to issuance of permits.

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So it's the construction staging plan along with the assurance on the insurance and then also

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staking if there needs to be any staking for the underserved areas.

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So such comments don't need to be

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in the hillside group. They're already in the standard. Thank you. Stipulations. Thank you.

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I would it's not really within our scope to stipulate these things because they're part of the approval, although as a wood of because I actually, yeah, I've been statutory and I think that compliance is is already an effect and it doesn't really fit in our purview, but you've heard it from everybody so it's time to clean up the site.

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And I commissarate with the neighbors. I live hillside. I had a project two and a half years

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across the street for me. It's very frustrating because you know, traits come and go and things

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left open and it was a mess. But there's light at the end of the tunnel. It gets done. And eventually

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you'll have a new neighbor. So your patients has been appreciated. If there's no other questions or

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comments from committee, I might call for, actually I'd like to make a motion that we

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could discuss if everybody's ready. So I would move that we approve item 23281, the

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formal review for the major remodel to the single-family residence at 53, 55 East Desert Vista

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road with stipulations in the report 1-15 adding 3 more. 16 regarding lighting, recess

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can lighting shall be positioned so as not to wash any vertical surfaces, all lighting

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shall be reduced or revised so as not to exceed the 750 lumen count by reduction in fixture

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your account and orlumen output subject to approval by chair and staff and 17 no landscape

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lighting is approved with this application but minimal lighting as proposed as may be

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proposed shall be subject to approval and once submitted to staff and chair and 18 roof surface

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This shall be broadcast top-coded with an RLRB compliant material such as sand, rock, chip,

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or equivalent submission subject to approval by staff and share.

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I'll second that.

444
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Great.

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Any comments before we vote?

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Comment.

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Your lighting, I was trying to catch it all, it includes the scots, right?

448
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Yeah.

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So I meant all, all I should maybe just, so it was two part lighting recess can lighting should be

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positioned so as not to wash any vertical surfaces. And I put all lighting minimum like to revise

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it's all exterior lighting to be reduced or revised so as not to exceed 750 lumen count achieved by

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by reduction in fixture count and or aluminum out pit put,

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serving to approval by staff and chair.

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Thank you.

455
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Yeah, let's see.

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Making a note.

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All right, so I know the comments or questions.

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We'll call for the vote.

459
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All in favor, aye.

460
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Aye.

461
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Aye.

462
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Any opposed?

463
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We're hearing none.

464
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Congratulations.

465
00:38:29,270 --> 00:38:32,410
You're on the path to finish project.

466
00:38:32,690 --> 00:38:34,410
And thank you for coming in.

467
00:38:35,010 --> 00:38:35,330
Awesome.

468
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:36,430
Thank you so much.

469
00:38:36,430 --> 00:38:42,050
You just saw everyone else. I already text a trade they're going there today to fix all the street and all that will be all take care of the day great

470
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:44,970
Thank you very much, and thank you for getting this compliant

471
00:38:52,890 --> 00:38:53,690
Contact information

472
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:57,770
Good idea

473
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:01,160
Scott

474
00:39:02,620 --> 00:39:04,980
Yes, this is this this is Charles coming to

475
00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:11,320
I'm on the highway here in mid Missouri, my sister and I have been visiting all over the place.

476
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:12,920
Very nice, can we all come visit?

477
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:16,760
Family sedentary.

478
00:39:17,240 --> 00:39:18,560
Are you in and out of a little coverage?

479
00:39:20,500 --> 00:39:20,900
Well,

480
00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:25,100
so far, I think we can hear you now.

481
00:39:32,140 --> 00:39:36,440
Commissioner Covington, is it works for you to call my cellphone again?

482
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:37,400
You're welcome to do so.

483
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,320
We can put you on speaker.

484
00:39:39,260 --> 00:39:51,340
Okay, all right. Well, I'm here now. So I guess perfect. Thank you. Thank you. I think a moment to get organized for the next item agenda.

485
00:39:51,340 --> 00:39:52,060
Oh,

486
00:39:57,790 --> 00:40:02,210
and does it take for the time to give you all name plates?

487
00:40:33,460 --> 00:40:34,580
Yes, sure. You're there.

488
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:35,840
Yeah.

489
00:40:37,810 --> 00:40:43,570
So let's really let's really let's really hope they don't misspell the names and other.

490
00:40:48,230 --> 00:40:48,750
Yeah.

491
00:41:15,140 --> 00:41:15,660
Yeah.

492
00:41:29,110 --> 00:41:29,730
Well, it goes.

493
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,700
Oh, it's more powerful than I think.

494
00:42:04,700 --> 00:42:15,480
Okay. All right. If we'll get back to order here, we're ready for the next item on our agenda. I'm going to call item B 23280.

495
00:42:15,980 --> 00:42:21,460
This is a formal review for a new single family residence at 4275 East kind drive.

496
00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:25,900
Would you like to introduce this to us? Good morning, everyone.

497
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:35,640
Like Scott had mentioned, this is our applicants can present in us a new

498
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:47,640
construct of a two-story single-family home. Here is our aerial presentation of

499
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:58,140
it will be our lot right here. And then our lot area right now for our location is

500
00:42:58,140 --> 00:43:13,020
1.285 acres or 55,995 square feet near some of our renderings. This is what our current

501
00:43:13,020 --> 00:43:16,320
footprint. It looks like our

502
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:29,420
allowable disturbed area for our project is 13,696 square feet are

503
00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:40,680
existing gross disturbed area for it is 2,612 square feet and our proposed net to meet our

504
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,800
compliance is 13,000, 618 square feet.

505
00:43:59,900 --> 00:44:08,640
Our landscaping, our proposed landscaping meets all of our native vegetation needed for our area.

506
00:44:10,180 --> 00:44:15,760
And our land disturbance meets all of our criteria as well.

507
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,120
the proposed grading and training is their proposing to

508
00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:27,620
in combination with the storm drain, 15 storm drain pipes.

509
00:44:27,620 --> 00:44:32,380
They want to include 24 inch catch basins to be drained in a

510
00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:41,940
surf, into our surface level basins to meet our, to meet our 100 year, to our

511
00:44:41,940 --> 00:44:43,440
historical rainfall events.

512
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,400
Here's our grading and drainage plans.

513
00:45:04,460 --> 00:45:09,720
As well, the applicant is well completed for safety improvement plan for our project as well.

514
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:35,760
Since this applicant will not require any sort of connection, they will be on a septic system. And all of their after fire marshal review, they've met all of our fire protection requirements as well.

515
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:52,710
Our elevations are, they meet our height requirements as well.

516
00:45:52,710 --> 00:46:03,590
And their max height of 30 feet 4 inches is compliant with our 40 foot max allowable height

517
00:46:03,590 --> 00:46:05,090
for a hillside for

518
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:21,200
the top chimney from our 12 foot cup from our finish floor.

519
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,660
on

520
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,060
the south elevations and

521
00:47:25,050 --> 00:47:35,210
our proposed home is also within the 24 foot offset of natural

522
00:47:35,210 --> 00:47:35,890
grade as well.

523
00:47:50,220 --> 00:47:55,200
Here are lighting materials, all

524
00:47:58,020 --> 00:48:03,080
of our lighting types have met our

525
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,960
are loom and count and are in proper positioning

526
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,960
for to meet our dark sky compliance as well.

527
00:48:13,630 --> 00:48:17,690
They're proposing 11 step lights for their pathways,

528
00:48:19,870 --> 00:48:23,430
32 down lights for their covered spaces,

529
00:48:24,030 --> 00:48:27,390
favorite living spaces, three adjustable lights,

530
00:48:28,570 --> 00:48:31,230
and two linear strip lights as well.

531
00:48:31,230 --> 00:48:32,150
So I

532
00:49:00,310 --> 00:49:09,330
hear these are number three on our, on our plans, our downloads or our area.

533
00:49:13,490 --> 00:49:20,490
The number one is our one second key

534
00:49:22,630 --> 00:49:30,030
fast number one is our recess sliding for the, for

535
00:49:30,030 --> 00:49:31,050
home in

536
00:49:42,350 --> 00:49:49,390
these uplights are our number three's as shown. Yes.

537
00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:57,280
So number our number three's are being

538
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,720
used as downloads for the area.

539
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:17,660
Our tape light for which is our linear strips of being used.

540
00:50:21,770 --> 00:50:29,970
They meet our 1.4 watts per lineal foot in our 3.6 level.

541
00:50:39,940 --> 00:50:48,390
These are being used for our outdoor seating area right in this section right here

542
00:51:03,690 --> 00:51:06,750
are some

543
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,040
more of our renderings to kind of give us a better idea of our outdoor living space.

544
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:28,200
There's a pool area, our covered patios,

545
00:51:38,180 --> 00:51:40,120
and then over here is our courtyard with our

546
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:40,600
downlights,

547
00:51:56,070 --> 00:51:59,370
and here's our materials list.

548
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:09,610
We have our garage doors with translucent panels with framing to match metal 2, which

549
00:52:16,340 --> 00:52:21,260
are permeable driveway pavers, a cast and place concrete slabs,

550
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:24,980
and then you can use wood

551
00:52:24,980 --> 00:52:29,340
seedling for the soffits.

552
00:52:32,530 --> 00:52:39,210
We have our fencing called out for the hillside as well which

553
00:52:39,210 --> 00:52:43,110
meets our 80% opening compliance.

554
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,560
So here's our stone accents which meet our LRV compliance

555
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,820
and their stucco finish as well.

556
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:18,060
And that masonry rock for the outdoor space as well.

557
00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:18,980
using

558
00:53:24,220 --> 00:53:30,980
a ballast roof would still to be determined with their LRB to be no greater

559
00:53:30,980 --> 00:53:33,260
than 38 percent.

560
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:13,300
Our computer is low so there's a lag and changing sheets, I'm

561
00:54:13,300 --> 00:54:14,040
sort of mentioning them.

562
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:21,420
So here's our landscape lighting. They're including six

563
00:54:21,420 --> 00:54:32,980
path lights, mine, driveway, lights, and 13 accent lights as well. Those 13 accent lights

564
00:54:32,980 --> 00:54:39,500
will be used to be lighting our landscape, our trees.

565
00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:50,070
Here's our landscape plan with

566
00:54:50,070 --> 00:54:52,210
our native plants.

567
00:54:57,420 --> 00:55:04,700
And here's our landscape lighting plan. As mentioned here are our

568
00:55:04,700 --> 00:55:13,440
Triangles represent our landscape lighting for our trees, our native desert vegetation vegetation and

569
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:21,740
our squares are for our driveway to light up our driveways and then

570
00:55:26,790 --> 00:55:29,030
these smaller triangles that are

571
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:35,530
filling that are filled in our pathway lights for stepping our walkways and breezeways as well.

572
00:55:35,530 --> 00:55:35,530
So

573
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:58,980
now we'd like to invite the applicant to join us for any additional comments or any presentation.

574
00:56:00,300 --> 00:56:01,400
Excellent. Thank you.

575
00:56:20,660 --> 00:56:22,800
Was not a box of donuts for us.

576
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:25,180
That's time now.

577
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,600
Donuts do not technically count as a gratuity.

578
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:32,720
That works better over the police department.

579
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:39,280
Thank you for having us here today.

580
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:51,740
My name is Brent Kendall with Kindle Design Collaborative, Jeff Martin with Kindle Design Collaborative and the owner, Mike Dynan is sitting over on the side there.

581
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:58,600
I will give as much or a little of a presentation as you would like.

582
00:56:58,600 --> 00:57:05,220
I know you saw this during our concept review we kind of go out of our way to make

583
00:57:05,220 --> 00:57:10,340
sure that pretty much we do a full submittal during our concept review so we've

584
00:57:10,340 --> 00:57:16,680
got really good comments from you then we got a few red lines from staff we

585
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:21,840
picked up all of those we're closely with staff we made some lighting adjustments

586
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,700
we had a couple lights that I think at one time we're in conformance but are

587
00:57:26,700 --> 00:57:33,860
no longer in conformance so but now everything is in conformance. You know this is a it's kind

588
00:57:33,860 --> 00:57:40,080
of an unusual site. I actually brought multiple potential buyers to this property because I wanted

589
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:44,360
to build a house on this property. I just like how is this property sitting there? No one's built on

590
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:49,000
it for so long because it's a really amazing property and it looked like it would be so easy

591
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:54,860
to build on and you know we've done a lot of whole site. I should know there are no easy

592
00:57:54,860 --> 00:58:00,780
side lots to build on. It's basically a bull, you know, it kind of drops from the road. So

593
00:58:00,780 --> 00:58:07,860
pretty much everything that we are building is below the road. And because it's kind of a

594
00:58:07,860 --> 00:58:13,860
bull, it created some interesting challenges from a from a Heistam plain. And we're definitely,

595
00:58:14,820 --> 00:58:20,120
we've had to dig into the side of the hill. I mean, I think this house is kind of the epitome of

596
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,400
what the hillside is striving for,

597
00:58:22,580 --> 00:58:24,880
kind of integrating the home into the hillside,

598
00:58:24,980 --> 00:58:26,200
making a part of the landscape.

599
00:58:27,980 --> 00:58:30,560
We've used natural materials.

600
00:58:31,060 --> 00:58:33,460
What we have them here,

601
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,220
if you're interested in the payvers

602
00:58:37,220 --> 00:58:40,400
are basically similar color to the natural desert.

603
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:46,000
The block is a custom-grieve.

604
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:47,700
I don't think it's custom anymore.

605
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:49,500
It used to be custom in that

606
00:58:49,500 --> 00:58:57,300
it does, it has just the black fleck in it and it's a, so it's a nice warm gray. Stucco is a smooth

607
00:58:57,960 --> 00:59:03,260
colored stucco. We have a little bit of access with the black metal which I believe we're

608
00:59:03,260 --> 00:59:12,760
added since our last meeting. So we've actually, I think we've kind of improved the three-dimensionality,

609
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:19,940
if you will, of the home through accending the center part with the black metal and a

610
00:59:19,940 --> 00:59:24,180
little bit of stone from the fireplace that is sticking out in the corner.

611
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:32,500
I know that it looks like we have some grass in the backyard that is turf, if you know

612
00:59:32,500 --> 00:59:38,820
that you like turf, and we like maintaining turf better than grass too, so that's a good

613
00:59:38,820 --> 00:59:39,080
thing.

614
00:59:41,140 --> 00:59:45,180
I guess if there's any questions that you have, I'd be glad to answer them.

615
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:50,400
Well, great. I do have a couple and thank you for being here and if you want to

616
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,180
display some materials while we talk. Sure.

617
00:59:52,180 --> 00:59:56,820
It's always a fun thing to learn what everybody's using.

618
01:00:00,370 --> 01:00:19,830
I just had a quick question and thank you for being so ten of us, especially since it's the last last review. I think you had everything we talked about. Question on the pool surface. Are you thinking a darker inner surface? What's kind of the plan just generally?

619
01:00:22,570 --> 01:00:24,110
that's a very good question.

620
01:00:27,070 --> 01:00:30,310
I'm not sure that the cool surface, do we have a

621
01:00:30,310 --> 01:00:34,510
cool surface called that? I don't recall. It's nice. It's just a concrete

622
01:00:34,510 --> 01:00:39,370
bit on these lines around. Okay. But as far as like a pebble sheen or pebble

623
01:00:39,370 --> 01:00:44,730
ten. Yeah, we didn't call that out. Yeah. It would, we would want it to be darker so

624
01:00:44,730 --> 01:00:50,630
that it did not, you know, we're not looking for that palm springs. I'm cool. Great.

625
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:55,610
When the dark look, it's a good calming there.

626
01:00:55,750 --> 01:00:57,070
I don't think it's specified that.

627
01:00:57,550 --> 01:00:59,430
That's going to be very, very small way.

628
01:00:59,490 --> 01:01:00,430
Where does this go?

629
01:01:00,690 --> 01:01:01,790
I'm put those on the phone.

630
01:01:01,910 --> 01:01:03,270
I'm holding up the light wood.

631
01:01:04,850 --> 01:01:05,970
That's the ceiling.

632
01:01:06,970 --> 01:01:08,730
Ah, slowly on the other side.

633
01:01:08,950 --> 01:01:12,630
I can only see that if you're in the dark pool.

634
01:01:13,030 --> 01:01:13,690
In nice material.

635
01:01:14,190 --> 01:01:15,230
Will it be colorizing?

636
01:01:17,430 --> 01:01:18,310
The, no.

637
01:01:18,310 --> 01:01:20,250
No, no, it would get a little, you were on it.

638
01:01:21,450 --> 01:01:25,510
I think it'll, that's one piece, it'll vary from that.

639
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:29,070
It'll be, if you've seen the pictures that we have

640
01:01:29,070 --> 01:01:31,310
of other projects we've done with it,

641
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:33,130
it'll have some variation.

642
01:01:33,610 --> 01:01:34,590
So I want to question.

643
01:01:34,870 --> 01:01:38,590
I got a question that ties into this piece of glass

644
01:01:38,590 --> 01:01:40,670
that I'm holding up for those on the phone.

645
01:01:42,050 --> 01:01:45,010
The garage door looked like it was reflective.

646
01:01:45,630 --> 01:01:47,090
And now this piece of glass,

647
01:01:47,090 --> 01:01:52,590
and it could just be the rendering, and this piece of glass says right on it need to swap out

648
01:01:52,590 --> 01:02:02,470
non-reflective glass question mark. The glass potty is a translucent, so it is where this is

649
01:02:02,470 --> 01:02:06,090
clear glass for the windows, you know. Okay.

650
01:02:10,600 --> 01:02:16,620
So you won't be able to see it. Right, but it's not going

651
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:19,300
to be hugely reflective or is it up again?

652
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:21,000
Oh, it won't be reflective at all.

653
01:02:21,220 --> 01:02:23,560
And it's hatched if you look at it,

654
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:25,840
some of my shoes didn't fall on the good scraps.

655
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,180
And we haven't built everything, right?

656
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:33,160
We look at these papers.

657
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:38,600
So yes, you can see how we had the terrace down

658
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:40,780
and just to get to where the garages are.

659
01:02:40,940 --> 01:02:42,820
So they're really kind of internal in focus.

660
01:02:43,460 --> 01:02:46,860
So this is basically a prostate glass door

661
01:02:46,860 --> 01:02:54,080
across the glass door and front entry door across the glass for a privacy standpoint but all

662
01:02:54,080 --> 01:03:01,520
the rest of the glass on the house is clear and we like glass to be as non-reflective and it's

663
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:06,160
clear it's possible because for the sake of the homeowner to look out and see the landscape

664
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:12,240
and have it be the same color as it is in nature as opposed to like learning how to dress things.

665
01:03:17,790 --> 01:03:22,410
those those garage doors are kind of down in the bowl so they are yeah literally

666
01:03:24,370 --> 01:03:31,650
so this is this is just I know just some of the Jeff I think this is just some

667
01:03:31,650 --> 01:03:36,350
of the screen walls just the fence that which is an oxidized finish that's

668
01:03:36,350 --> 01:03:42,010
the only place that oh on that yeah so it's not even it's not a sheet like right so

669
01:03:42,010 --> 01:03:47,050
there's a stick and then that's your fencing around there so it's all pretty

670
01:03:47,050 --> 01:03:51,790
much this appearance of landscape and kind of for us and being at home.

671
01:03:54,800 --> 01:03:56,240
I have another question

672
01:03:56,780 --> 01:04:01,520
and I'm not sure this is in our preview but I care a lot about this. Is there a fence around

673
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:09,420
the pool or how is the pool protected? It's required. Yes. That's why I was it's hard to see in a

674
01:04:09,420 --> 01:04:13,460
rendering that was kind of the whole point. I'm not if you go to the site

675
01:04:13,460 --> 01:04:14,000
and find a set.

676
01:04:16,340 --> 01:04:18,600
There's a, are you see it?

677
01:04:18,700 --> 01:04:23,100
I see. I see. Thank you.

678
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,140
Just text me. That is once the natural plant material grows up

679
01:04:27,140 --> 01:04:30,240
and so forth, it just disappears. Understood. Thank you.

680
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,840
Great. Really nice material palette. I have two questions on that.

681
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,600
You can get to the right sheet. So just in the

682
01:04:40,600 --> 01:04:46,020
rendering she can kind of see there's there's a bit of ceiling under the

683
01:04:46,020 --> 01:04:51,060
soft it looks like it's interior coming interior color coming in and out yeah

684
01:04:51,060 --> 01:04:55,760
is that what's being proposed that's what we would like to propose I believe

685
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:01,500
we're actually showing it though it's the the darker color okay so we've done

686
01:05:01,500 --> 01:05:05,100
that in the past and you've approved it in the past with with a lighter ceiling

687
01:05:05,100 --> 01:05:11,320
coming up that yeah but we're showing the darker color on this. Yeah I think for the most part

688
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:16,420
because a little lay of the land we can almost consider that just an accent color because it's

689
01:05:16,420 --> 01:05:22,440
I don't think I don't think it's visible so if you're at street level say McDonald looking back

690
01:05:22,440 --> 01:05:28,340
you're you're you're actually kind of a little bit higher than this house so I don't see an issue

691
01:05:28,340 --> 01:05:34,320
with it but I'd like to just bring it to the committees attend. If we were able if we were allowed to

692
01:05:34,320 --> 01:05:43,720
to continue the interior painted surface, extended to the exterior knowing that it would

693
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:48,600
exceed the LRB if I understand what you're saying, which we again we've done before in

694
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:55,020
several hillside homes, it's under kind of cover where you don't see it, if that's something

695
01:05:55,020 --> 01:05:56,080
you're offering where you would.

696
01:05:56,380 --> 01:06:01,980
Well, I thought we'd bring it out to discussion for committee so that there wasn't a field

697
01:06:01,980 --> 01:06:08,280
change where you do one thing and then have to fix it so we try to get ahead of it. So I'll just

698
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:13,900
put it out for a committee to talk about. And then once you go ahead and then I've got one more

699
01:06:13,900 --> 01:06:19,400
item. My quick question is what's below that house. So who would be seeing that?

700
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:27,620
Go to the map. I think those homes are closer to McDonald's and all of a

701
01:06:27,620 --> 01:06:31,220
back down there, but they tend to face Macdonald.

702
01:06:31,300 --> 01:06:32,040
There is a whole good.

703
01:06:32,560 --> 01:06:36,240
So this home is actually pretty elevated.

704
01:06:36,580 --> 01:06:39,420
This house is actually off where our house is playing

705
01:06:39,420 --> 01:06:42,080
to sit, kind of went out of our way

706
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,440
to try and stream that house.

707
01:06:45,020 --> 01:06:46,860
Our view is across this way.

708
01:06:47,300 --> 01:06:52,040
So there is a home down here that looks like a bull

709
01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:57,460
That

710
01:07:00,180 --> 01:07:06,800
helps. Thank you. So I thought we could discuss that because it's just something

711
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:17,900
that would avoid any confusion. And then let's sheet a 6.0, which is at the lighting

712
01:07:17,900 --> 01:07:24,260
I just have one section of lighting I need to ask about because I don't get to it here.

713
01:07:27,660 --> 01:07:36,560
So there's patio area right in the left elevation or a plan drawing and you can see there's

714
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:41,120
like an outdoor dining table and then there's a row of can lights that extend kind of all

715
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:41,740
the way across.

716
01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:51,220
they're a little close to the to the vertical surface. Yeah, please. Yeah. Yeah.

717
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:58,960
That dash line is the roof of that area. Okay. And this is actually the balcony.

718
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,980
Okay. All right. That's good. It comes out all the way. Thank you.

719
01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:09,160
Rock the lights out over that for opposing dining. I got it. We only have that much

720
01:08:09,160 --> 01:08:15,020
Okay. All right. Great. Thank you. That clarifies it. I wasn't quite sure I saw in plan. So thank you.

721
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:16,700
Thank you.

722
01:08:17,780 --> 01:08:21,080
Well, those are my comments and thank you for ballasting that roof.

723
01:08:22,420 --> 01:08:27,840
Everybody. Thank you. Southwest Air Flight 153. Thank you. Everybody likes it. So thanks.

724
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,740
I'll open it up for a comment and committee members.

725
01:08:32,740 --> 01:08:51,740
So back to the exterior soft. It's a mixed in of wood and stuff. Yes, or drywall. Right. Right. And the drywall needs LV. It does currently. If if the chairman was offering that we might accept that otherwise, we might take advantage of that.

726
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:07,040
I think that's accurate. I just not necessarily an offer, just clarity so that we don't get

727
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:13,740
surprised. And we've had situations where that hasn't been entirely clear in plan. And

728
01:09:13,740 --> 01:09:19,640
we've had to come back and deal with it. Nobody's happy at that point. So if we could retain

729
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:25,880
it to every compliant that's that's the perfect world. Okay, and then my question would be going to

730
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:33,700
you know, I know we'll have a latter finish and over time it will, this is the way it's not

731
01:09:34,940 --> 01:09:40,200
going to be left natural, you're going to hit it with something, right? It's going to be,

732
01:09:40,620 --> 01:09:48,700
but you don't get a clear clear. And is there an issue with that if that doesn't meet LRV

733
01:09:49,740 --> 01:09:50,980
That's the question.

734
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,800
There would be a change to it or anything.

735
01:09:53,940 --> 01:09:54,660
I would think it would.

736
01:09:55,240 --> 01:10:00,240
From just from my perspective,

737
01:10:00,660 --> 01:10:06,440
a natural material is beneficial in that it will just naturally darken over time.

738
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:10,240
It's basically for the most part non reflective.

739
01:10:11,260 --> 01:10:12,560
And you know,

740
01:10:12,620 --> 01:10:15,740
if it is marginally above LRB,

741
01:10:15,880 --> 01:10:17,040
I would consider an accent.

742
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:21,500
This is my opinion because I think that there's not a lot of it and

743
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:26,100
Visually be nice to look at a natural material from below. So it's my thought

744
01:10:26,940 --> 01:10:31,720
And this is probably a deceiving piece because it's so light and when you look at

745
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:38,220
Yeah, yeah, it's not I know you're familiar with Scoons house, which well if you can see the picture up here

746
01:10:38,220 --> 01:10:43,560
I mean, this is the Hellside home and you can see how much variation there is

747
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,060
Right, right

748
01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:50,580
And also, kind of how much darker it looks than this.

749
01:10:51,220 --> 01:10:52,980
Yeah, I give it one summer.

750
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:58,500
Right, especially like last summer, it'll be dark brown.

751
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:04,940
And then just a compliance question on, you know,

752
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:08,520
thank you for over-retaining the runoff.

753
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:10,920
Looks like you exceeded that.

754
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:19,060
But could you just direct me to where the storage tanks are because I'm seeing how many

755
01:11:19,060 --> 01:11:21,640
do you have on this site?

756
01:11:21,740 --> 01:11:24,880
There's just one and it's near the pool.

757
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:26,140
That's what I thought.

758
01:11:26,420 --> 01:11:33,520
It says storage tank but underground and I just want to, is it, should be able to go

759
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:33,720
there?

760
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:39,480
I'm looking at it right now and it looks like it's actually, is it under the pool?

761
01:11:39,480 --> 01:11:40,980
No, no it's sad.

762
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:41,640
Right here.

763
01:11:42,020 --> 01:11:43,300
This is where the water is.

764
01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:43,720
Oh,

765
01:11:46,380 --> 01:11:48,340
so pool is here.

766
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:49,340
It's in a pool of back.

767
01:11:49,580 --> 01:11:53,800
And this is sitting underneath it basically below it kind of.

768
01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:54,120
Oh, right.

769
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:55,520
You see below it like down.

770
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:55,860
Downs down.

771
01:11:56,300 --> 01:11:56,740
Downs down.

772
01:11:56,740 --> 01:11:57,240
Yeah, right.

773
01:11:57,800 --> 01:11:58,260
Downs down.

774
01:11:58,380 --> 01:11:58,820
Okay.

775
01:11:58,900 --> 01:11:59,240
Downs.

776
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:00,000
Good way.

777
01:12:00,220 --> 01:12:00,780
You see it there.

778
01:12:00,980 --> 01:12:01,260
Great.

779
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:03,520
How fun putting that in.

780
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:05,680
That's a big thing.

781
01:12:05,780 --> 01:12:06,360
First thing to go.

782
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:07,200
Yeah.

783
01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:15,260
And then naturally veging or is you just, you're just not touching the undisturbed area, you're not going to do anything to it.

784
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:22,680
It's just going to be like a certain area staying undisturbed and where we're re-veging, we're basically re-veging back to natural desert.

785
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:28,240
Okay, last question would be the famous fencing of the pool.

786
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:36,620
It goes further around the house, then probably it needs to protect those from the pool.

787
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:38,980
Give us the strategy around that.

788
01:12:40,900 --> 01:12:45,960
The pool follows what we try to do to limit disturbance to that was another consideration

789
01:12:46,580 --> 01:12:54,520
is from a point out, it follows the drain lines for the underground storage, so we can

790
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,480
and per additional additional disturbance.

791
01:12:57,480 --> 01:12:59,480
We thought maybe that was a smart tactic

792
01:12:59,480 --> 01:13:01,260
to try to limit our site disturbance.

793
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:06,320
So we used that as a part of our fence line.

794
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:10,180
And I actually don't think,

795
01:13:10,540 --> 01:13:13,660
I mean other than coming out a little bit of a distance,

796
01:13:14,180 --> 01:13:17,460
we have to connect back somewhere and I believe,

797
01:13:18,120 --> 01:13:19,300
I don't know if the landscape plan

798
01:13:19,300 --> 01:13:22,080
be a better plan to look at for the site plan shows

799
01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:27,620
I

800
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:41,240
guess it was, you know, having a gate into the pool area versus having every door of the house accessible to the pool area. That's the question.

801
01:13:42,660 --> 01:13:47,880
And is there some other concern that I'm just going to go on.

802
01:13:48,020 --> 01:13:50,620
So are you asking for compliance or safety?

803
01:13:50,700 --> 01:13:55,000
Yeah, I was trying to make sure that from staff's point of view, this, I know it meets

804
01:13:55,000 --> 01:13:59,900
compliance to keep people out of the pool, but does it meet compliance when we juxtapose

805
01:13:59,900 --> 01:14:05,240
it to other applications that we've had questions around the pool offense perimeter of the pool.

806
01:14:05,540 --> 01:14:08,640
I'm just trying to make sure that we're in the in the fairway.

807
01:14:09,140 --> 01:14:09,380
Yeah.

808
01:14:09,380 --> 01:14:17,700
Yeah, this is something that usually always comes up and we, we try to press the applicants

809
01:14:17,700 --> 01:14:21,220
to do the most minimum in this case.

810
01:14:23,220 --> 01:14:29,960
We worked with them and this is what they are proposing, I'm not sure if in the initial

811
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:31,040
concept they had more.

812
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,760
It's number eight on your list of documents.

813
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:37,600
So,

814
01:14:48,460 --> 01:14:55,320
essentially, this is our outdoor area with the pool, and we're basically taking the

815
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,560
as I'm saying, just around that area of that.

816
01:15:01,230 --> 01:15:24,230
It would be, I guess it would be challenging to find a better place to terminate it, to terminate it, and again, it's understanding that you want to minimize the impact visually of fencing around the pool, just going to the sticks in the desert. We have a picture of it in our.

817
01:15:24,230 --> 01:15:36,870
you did. It was a piece of it in. I think we have a detail of that because it just disappears

818
01:15:36,870 --> 01:15:44,010
into the natural events. So what's it? So what I'm getting out of this answer is this setting of

819
01:15:44,010 --> 01:15:53,870
the fence outside of the following the lines of drainage is going to create the least amount of impact

820
01:15:54,230 --> 01:16:02,210
visually. We believe so. Yeah. Then the topography falls a little bit from that too. We're

821
01:16:02,210 --> 01:16:09,610
looking at two four. Yeah. It drops down. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's back up and meets the

822
01:16:09,610 --> 01:16:10,350
house basically.

823
01:16:13,780 --> 01:16:14,500
Thank you.

824
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:21,600
Well, thank you. Yeah, please go ahead. This Charles,

825
01:16:22,500 --> 01:16:28,280
regarding the fence, it's the code is five feet above the adjacent grade. Is that right? Yes.

826
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:35,100
Okay. So as the topography, as the ground slopes, the fence would slow.

827
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:42,380
Yeah, the fence sort of recedes even though it's still compliant for height and a similar situation on my site.

828
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,600
Yeah, my house too. My house is used.

829
01:16:46,180 --> 01:16:47,480
Okay. Thank you.

830
01:16:47,860 --> 01:16:51,120
In fact, the top of it is purposely uneven.

831
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:53,700
So it looks more like an octetio fence.

832
01:16:53,700 --> 01:16:53,960
Yes.

833
01:16:54,520 --> 01:16:59,880
If you do see it, we're the lowest bars by the, yes, yeah.

834
01:17:01,260 --> 01:17:01,940
Thank you.

835
01:17:02,580 --> 01:17:04,520
Any other questions or comments from committee?

836
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:07,820
Anyone here from the community?

837
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:08,840
Oh, I'm sorry.

838
01:17:09,740 --> 01:17:10,260
I was just curious.

839
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:11,060
This is Charles again.

840
01:17:11,340 --> 01:17:11,700
Oh, Charles.

841
01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:17,800
Yeah, I just wanted to say I agree with what was said about keeping the LRB value of that

842
01:17:17,800 --> 01:17:19,860
soft supply.

843
01:17:19,860 --> 01:17:20,460
All right.

844
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:21,060
Good.

845
01:17:22,260 --> 01:17:22,780
Sorry.

846
01:17:22,780 --> 01:17:24,500
to get your hopes up.

847
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:27,540
I thought you were making an offer there.

848
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:29,860
I just wanted to make sure we're on the same place.

849
01:17:31,900 --> 01:17:35,200
So just to finish this conversation about the fence,

850
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:40,180
if the Housing Committee would like to ask the applicant

851
01:17:40,180 --> 01:17:41,600
to make reductions for

852
01:17:42,300 --> 01:17:45,340
change the shape of where the fence is,

853
01:17:45,700 --> 01:17:47,900
that is something that we discussed previously,

854
01:17:48,620 --> 01:17:49,320
the applicant and I.

855
01:17:50,060 --> 01:17:51,540
We pressed them to do the most minimum

856
01:17:51,540 --> 01:17:57,300
and then, once it's been into the committee, the committee can then add their comments

857
01:17:57,300 --> 01:18:00,460
and then add it as stipulation as well.

858
01:18:01,260 --> 01:18:03,220
I think we've discussed it well.

859
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:07,820
I mean, my opinion and the committee members are pleased to speak up,

860
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:13,360
but I think that the placement is reasonable given the topography of the land

861
01:18:13,360 --> 01:18:15,580
and actually makes it less visible.

862
01:18:15,580 --> 01:18:22,560
If we moved it up closer, we'd actually gain more visibility on offense.

863
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:28,200
So with the falling topography, having it pulled out a little bit, we'd actually make

864
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,720
it look less impactful on the hillside, in my opinion.

865
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:33,120
I agree.

866
01:18:33,720 --> 01:18:35,120
Yeah, I would agree too, Scott.

867
01:18:35,860 --> 01:18:42,560
I think I like the concept of where they're going and with that in mind, less is more as

868
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:43,320
you like to send in.

869
01:18:44,300 --> 01:18:45,360
Excellent. Thanks.

870
01:18:47,610 --> 01:18:49,870
Well, there's no other questions or comments when you see if there's

871
01:18:49,870 --> 01:18:53,710
anybody from the community would like to speak or ask any questions about this application.

872
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:00,080
Quiet. No torches or pitchforks. That's a good sign.

873
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:05,860
Yes, please. So now that we have established

874
01:19:05,860 --> 01:19:11,780
where the fence is and likely going to be on your landscape plan along that fence, it looks

875
01:19:11,780 --> 01:19:17,020
It's like you have a plant called Encelia.

876
01:19:17,300 --> 01:19:18,500
What is that?

877
01:19:18,860 --> 01:19:19,280
Brittle bush.

878
01:19:19,860 --> 01:19:20,340
Brittle bush.

879
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:20,580
Yeah.

880
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:29,140
The way it looks is that it will kind of be near the fence in certain locations.

881
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:33,020
And that maybe is like three feet.

882
01:19:33,460 --> 01:19:34,420
Something like a brittle bush.

883
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,120
Well, it's like the brittle bush in my yard.

884
01:19:37,300 --> 01:19:38,420
It'll be through the fence.

885
01:19:38,620 --> 01:19:39,980
So it'll be on the edge of the fence.

886
01:19:39,980 --> 01:19:56,100
So the intent is to soften, like the fence itself with the brittle edge, I would almost guarantee that in, you know, two years after this house has built in a landscape that comes back, you won't probably know there's a fence there.

887
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,940
Yeah, there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven on one elevation alone.

888
01:20:01,620 --> 01:20:02,620
Thank you.

889
01:20:02,620 --> 01:20:07,620
So I would just say the closer you can get those to the fence, I know they're going to be about.

890
01:20:08,220 --> 01:20:08,560
Okay.

891
01:20:08,900 --> 01:20:08,980
Okay.

892
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:10,160
That would be great.

893
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:10,960
Yeah.

894
01:20:11,300 --> 01:20:12,220
That's a comment.

895
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:13,300
Not a requirement.

896
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:14,380
Right.

897
01:20:17,160 --> 01:20:19,020
Well, I'd like to make a motion.

898
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:20,320
If everybody's ready.

899
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:25,740
That we would approve item B23280.

900
01:20:26,340 --> 01:20:30,880
This is for the new single-family residence at 4275 East Keim Drive.

901
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:38,880
with the report stipulations 1 through 15, with one additional stipulation, and that would be

902
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:46,640
a pool surface and tile to be submitted for approval subject, excuse me, pool surface and tile

903
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:55,220
to be submitted subject to approval by staff and chair. Second, okay. Any comments or questions before

904
01:20:55,220 --> 01:21:12,140
All right. All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Congratulations. Thank you for a nice application. Can't wait to see the house. Congratulations. Yeah. Great. Great design.

905
01:21:16,820 --> 01:21:17,240
All

906
01:21:19,390 --> 01:21:20,730
right, one more left.

907
01:21:24,290 --> 01:21:28,770
We've got about 30 minutes with our commissioner here. So we'll see if we can get through it.

908
01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:33,010
One moment, please.

909
01:21:46,760 --> 01:21:49,580
Thank you for bringing the actual material here. Welcome. Yeah.

910
01:21:50,060 --> 01:21:57,220
It's just the best way to do it. Let me talk questions and it does. Yeah, it really does.

911
01:21:58,860 --> 01:22:02,560
Yeah, there's a lot of the logs, but it's a good work out.

912
01:22:42,280 --> 01:22:44,360
That lot's been there a long time.

913
01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:59,350
It's going to take a moment to get organized. Please stand by.

914
01:24:25,590 --> 01:24:26,550
No, we

915
01:24:35,800 --> 01:24:40,880
just did. It's a little arduous. We're dealing with joy of blowing.

916
01:24:51,930 --> 01:24:58,350
We're still in session, we're just taking a quick break to set a few things up right back.

917
01:25:29,040 --> 01:25:29,900
Pick seats.

918
01:25:30,380 --> 01:25:33,560
We're going to get back to our session here this morning.

919
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:43,480
we have one more item on the reports and that is C23282. This is the formal review for a new

920
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:51,160
single-family residence. The address is 7090 North Invergordon Road. Welcome back to the show.

921
01:25:54,580 --> 01:26:03,100
All right, so this is 7090 North Invergordon Road. This has a lot of history to it.

922
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:12,220
which states back to the fifties and even then afterwards a lot of litigation that occurred.

923
01:26:12,980 --> 01:26:22,560
In essence, the most recent legal agreement occurred, this is known as one of the

924
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:28,760
Donald whole lots. The Donald whole family owned a lot of the lots that were at this ridge.

925
01:26:29,860 --> 01:26:38,540
The most recent legal agreement, as I mentioned, is the 2002 Donahoe partial judgment and the 2002 stipulated judgment.

926
01:26:40,180 --> 01:26:48,940
Judgments basically provided modifications to the hillside guidelines in order to be able to develop on these parcels.

927
01:26:49,580 --> 01:26:53,580
Otherwise, there was going to be a lot of variances that would have to be sought out.

928
01:26:53,900 --> 01:26:56,300
Essentially, there was some foresight in too.

929
01:26:56,300 --> 01:27:05,060
So the town at the time having a lot of restrictions and then potentially moving forward, having

930
01:27:05,060 --> 01:27:10,680
a lot of legal push back from not just the town, but potentially the adjacent neighbors

931
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:12,280
in terms of how they were developed.

932
01:27:12,940 --> 01:27:21,120
In addition, there is this top lot parcel or the town owned parcel, which is kind of an

933
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:21,900
island here.

934
01:27:21,900 --> 01:27:26,100
There was a ridge at one point and as I recall,

935
01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:32,940
the one point a home was going to be placed

936
01:27:32,940 --> 01:27:41,860
on that flat in the area, part of the litigation that occurred with the town is that once this

937
01:27:41,860 --> 01:27:48,260
parcel was developed, the agreement is that this top parcel will be restored.

938
01:27:48,840 --> 01:27:58,160
that's to be agreed upon with the town. That is one of the stipulations and it is also, as I mentioned, part of the legal document or legal agreement that occurred.

939
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:10,440
So the town essentially owns this top lot area in some of the legal language. It's called the top lot. It's really called the town owned parcel.

940
01:28:10,940 --> 01:28:12,780
So forgive me if I call it the top lot.

941
01:28:12,780 --> 01:28:22,620
but is the town on parcel. And that agreement into how it will be restored, as I mentioned,

942
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:30,480
will occur with staff. This is as building progresses as they dig up this area.

943
01:28:32,500 --> 01:28:36,780
The town will come to an agreement on how we want this restored.

944
01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:50,340
The legal document mentions that the applicant may place the Earth from that cutout or pad area onto the lot and doesn't stipulate that they have to.

945
01:28:51,100 --> 01:28:58,880
In this case, their plans or the conversation we've had with them is that they would like to place some of the soil up top.

946
01:29:00,100 --> 01:29:11,050
The judgment also had a stipulation on pad placement and so they were, they're very limited

947
01:29:11,050 --> 01:29:13,390
in where they could place the home.

948
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,700
Essentially, they were given two options for a driveway.

949
01:29:21,900 --> 01:29:28,560
A driveway that could be constructed from the west side or the east side.

950
01:29:28,560 --> 01:29:35,800
In this case, the west side was a shorter run, so this is where they decided to place the driveway.

951
01:29:37,260 --> 01:29:49,680
What the applicant is proposing is an 8,951 square foot home with a basement, a walk out basement area.

952
01:29:53,300 --> 01:29:59,100
The lot is 5.781 acres or 251 square feet.

953
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,280
The area under the roof for this property is going to be 12,000 square feet. Not all of it is

954
01:30:07,280 --> 01:30:17,740
level area, as I mentioned, only 8,000 is level one. And then the building site slope is 64%

955
01:30:17,740 --> 01:30:27,340
on average. That means that the allowable disturbed area is 18,987 square feet. There is an

956
01:30:27,340 --> 01:30:35,920
existing gross disturbed area and that's also because the lot extends on both sides of this

957
01:30:35,920 --> 01:30:42,300
private road. So that's part of the disturbance in addition to the disturbance that occurred

958
01:30:42,300 --> 01:30:52,800
because of this grading or a legal grading that occurred in the past. So that's 38,399 square feet

959
01:30:52,800 --> 01:31:01,920
as I mentioned, their proposed net distribute area is 24,400 and as I mentioned the allowed

960
01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:13,340
is 18,900 so they will be bringing this into compliance very much so close to compliance

961
01:31:13,340 --> 01:31:17,000
but obviously still not in compliance.

962
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:22,200
In essence, because of the existing rows, that's 38,000.

963
01:31:22,460 --> 01:31:25,220
They will be in compliance with our hillside code.

964
01:31:28,440 --> 01:31:34,140
In the report, you will find the several stipulated judgments.

965
01:31:36,710 --> 01:31:42,950
I'm sorry, the stipulated judgments that specifically modify or diverge from our hillside code.

966
01:31:44,130 --> 01:31:48,410
And so, as I go through the plans, I will mention those as well.

967
01:31:51,820 --> 01:31:59,220
I'm sorry. Can I ask if there's a stipulated judgment and a whole site code, which one rules?

968
01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:14,720
So in essence, in this case, it was the stipulated judgment that rules and it's only for these particular sections of the code that the stipulated judgment rules.

969
01:32:15,160 --> 01:32:15,540
Thank you.

970
01:32:19,310 --> 01:32:29,950
So in this site view, you can see the three different layers of how they are designing the home.

971
01:32:34,260 --> 01:32:39,100
You can see the upper layer or the upper level of this is going to be this blue.

972
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:47,020
That's the main top section of the home in this red area.

973
01:32:47,020 --> 01:32:48,180
You'll see the main level.

974
01:32:49,520 --> 01:33:00,020
this extends to what they kind of called out a guest house or casita. It is tied to the home so it's not a separate building in and of itself.

975
01:33:00,700 --> 01:33:10,200
And then on the green you'll see the outline of the lowest level and that encompasses this outdoor pool area.

976
01:33:10,440 --> 01:33:14,220
What is outlined is just the building outline in and of itself.

977
01:33:14,220 --> 01:33:15,020
these

978
01:33:20,330 --> 01:33:26,150
are photographs of the site and what that looks like. You can see here,

979
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:30,920
there's a tiny little

980
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:39,120
person on the left-hand side on the right, you'll see that's what the top block or the town-owned

981
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:42,120
parcel, and then you'll see on

982
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:50,760
this side you can see that area that they just dumped Earth over to,

983
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:57,620
And so that will be where the home is going to be placed in this particular area.

984
01:33:58,480 --> 01:34:01,100
So you won't see a lot of it from this side.

985
01:34:06,040 --> 01:34:09,340
This is the rendering that the applicant provided as well.

986
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:13,820
So this is the current state of what that site looks like.

987
01:34:14,160 --> 01:34:18,700
And then on the right hand side, you'll see where they are proposing the home.

988
01:34:18,700 --> 01:34:27,760
In this particular rendering, they don't show what the restored town on parcel looks like.

989
01:34:28,140 --> 01:34:33,940
They've kept it in place as what it is currently, so that will change as well.

990
01:34:40,440 --> 01:34:44,020
This is a 3D view of what the home will look like.

991
01:34:44,660 --> 01:34:49,460
As I mentioned, it is broken into three different levels.

992
01:34:49,460 --> 01:34:50,440
In

993
01:34:58,150 --> 01:35:05,430
terms of the overall height, our code has a specification of 50 feet for the overall

994
01:35:05,430 --> 01:35:05,810
height.

995
01:35:06,570 --> 01:35:15,230
The judgment supersedes the code and it has a maximum of 50 feet as well.

996
01:35:20,260 --> 01:35:21,180
In addition to that,

997
01:35:23,780 --> 01:35:32,020
our code has a guideline or a regulation for, they call it the mountain

998
01:35:32,020 --> 01:35:40,480
profile in volatile. And so that is a 20 degree from the ridge that the home has to be sunk in

999
01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:50,260
below. In this stipulated judgment, it stated that that is to be superseded at the 17, 25

1000
01:35:50,260 --> 01:35:58,670
foot contour line. And it should angle at 15 degrees. So that is another thing that they need.

1001
01:36:05,820 --> 01:36:06,560
And so

1002
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:12,320
you're saying it complies with the stipulated judgment, but it's slightly off of what otherwise

1003
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:20,220
we would allow. It complies with both. So yeah, in essence, what the what the code calls for is

1004
01:36:20,220 --> 01:36:25,940
20 degrees, what the stipulated judgment is 15 degrees. In essence, it gives them a little more leeway

1005
01:36:25,940 --> 01:36:34,860
to build on here. You can see this line is the 20 degrees. In essence, the 15 would be approximately

1006
01:36:34,860 --> 01:36:41,680
in this area. So what they're showing is what our code allows for and so it is

1007
01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:45,800
compliance not only with the stipulated judgment which gives them more leeway

1008
01:36:45,800 --> 01:36:53,040
but also with our town code. Thank you. And this is Charles Covington. Could I

1009
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:57,520
just ask, we are holding this application to the current code, correct?

1010
01:36:58,100 --> 01:37:03,520
Correct. Okay, not some code that existed years ago when they're trying. Okay.

1011
01:37:03,520 --> 01:37:05,180
All right, all right. Thank you. Thank you.

1012
01:37:21,300 --> 01:37:30,680
Okay, so here's another view of that 48-2-inch height that they are proposing as I mentioned,

1013
01:37:30,840 --> 01:37:33,680
it's a 50-foot height overall that they are allowed.

1014
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:48,880
Now, this is a section cut of the home.

1015
01:37:49,240 --> 01:37:57,940
They also comply with the 24-foot height from natural grade and you can see this orange line

1016
01:37:57,940 --> 01:38:01,020
is what that is calling out for.

1017
01:38:02,020 --> 01:38:07,140
Not only did they comply with the 24-foot height standard,

1018
01:38:07,500 --> 01:38:09,460
but in essence, the casino,

1019
01:38:09,460 --> 01:38:12,260
which typically would be an accessory structure

1020
01:38:12,260 --> 01:38:13,160
when it is detached.

1021
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:15,680
In this case, it is attached to the home.

1022
01:38:15,940 --> 01:38:18,740
We wouldn't consider it an accessory structure,

1023
01:38:19,000 --> 01:38:22,960
but they also complied with our height limitations

1024
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:26,360
for accessory structures, which are 16 feet.

1025
01:38:27,380 --> 01:38:34,400
So in the rendering, you can kind of see it as amassing that kind

1026
01:38:38,210 --> 01:38:39,050
of stands out a little

1027
01:38:39,050 --> 01:38:39,270
bit.

1028
01:38:39,690 --> 01:38:41,030
It is pushed forward.

1029
01:38:41,770 --> 01:38:47,210
And so when we're having discussions and reviewing it, I mentioned to the applicant,

1030
01:38:47,210 --> 01:38:51,990
this wouldn't be considered a d-chatch structure as it is attached to the home.

1031
01:38:51,990 --> 01:39:01,830
It's pretty much separated by this kind of breezeway walkway on this second level or the middle level.

1032
01:39:02,590 --> 01:39:07,030
And so it is connected underneath to this basement area.

1033
01:39:07,410 --> 01:39:14,910
And so it is part of the home. However, they nonetheless met the code of our accessory structure

1034
01:39:14,910 --> 01:39:17,770
and that's what's shown in this section here.

1035
01:39:17,770 --> 01:39:18,510
In

1036
01:39:29,680 --> 01:39:38,840
addition to that, I will add the height that our code allows is 30 feet with the stipulated

1037
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:44,720
judgment cause out for is 40 feet.

1038
01:39:45,560 --> 01:39:48,000
And so in this area right here,

1039
01:40:10,920 --> 01:40:13,840
as I'm saying, I don't think it's on this one.

1040
01:40:45,580 --> 01:40:49,200
As I mentioned, the judgment also called out for the building pad.

1041
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:51,900
So this is what is shown on this area right here.

1042
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:26,280
So this is the cut that is shown and so it

1043
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:36,520
starts at approximately the 1662 and then it goes all the way up to the

1044
01:41:39,240 --> 01:41:40,820
1690.

1045
01:41:46,400 --> 01:41:48,180
So it meets the

1046
01:41:48,180 --> 01:41:51,860
stipulated judgment of overall 40 maximum.

1047
01:42:02,460 --> 01:42:05,560
This is part of their lighting that they are proposing.

1048
01:42:06,180 --> 01:42:12,980
They are proposing three wall-mounted sconces total.

1049
01:42:15,740 --> 01:42:20,600
It is within our LRV requirement of 400.

1050
01:42:21,800 --> 01:42:30,420
Our code asks or stipulates that any lighting you shouldn't see the light source from.

1051
01:42:31,340 --> 01:42:38,140
In this case, the light source is from the top, but the design of this wall sconce almost

1052
01:42:38,140 --> 01:42:40,600
makes the scene as if the lighting is coming from in here.

1053
01:42:41,260 --> 01:42:51,320
We did check the spec sheet for this light from the manufacturer, so it is coming from below.

1054
01:42:53,220 --> 01:42:57,520
But in this rendering, it almost makes the scene as if you can see the light source, which

1055
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:58,140
is not the case.

1056
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:02,600
So that's something that we spoke to the applicant about.

1057
01:43:03,400 --> 01:43:07,380
We had already reviewed it and so that's something just to know.

1058
01:43:08,580 --> 01:43:15,120
Most of their other lighting for the building itself is going to come from this recess lighting.

1059
01:43:15,340 --> 01:43:17,000
There's 30 fixtures overall.

1060
01:43:18,660 --> 01:43:21,580
This is where they have them in their lower section.

1061
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:31,420
this is the covered patio area which is the walk out basement and then you can see them very

1062
01:43:31,420 --> 01:43:34,240
minimally within their main level and

1063
01:43:38,850 --> 01:43:41,810
at the highest level which

1064
01:43:43,890 --> 01:43:44,230
is here.

1065
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:51,600
Another thing to note

1066
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:59,120
is that as you know within Hillside there is there three stories sort of third story developments

1067
01:43:59,120 --> 01:44:05,560
are not allowed. What the applicant proposed is this basement and so they had to show proof

1068
01:44:05,560 --> 01:44:07,920
that in meets our basement requirement.

1069
01:44:10,020 --> 01:44:13,920
This is what the applicant was able to provide to us

1070
01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:22,720
in essence showing that most of this third level or sub-level is basement. It is a basement

1071
01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:30,660
walk out but in essence most of it is beneath the earth so this is what that

1072
01:44:30,660 --> 01:44:36,880
rendering is showing and then this is the site view or the plan view of that

1073
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:43,360
basement so that hatched area is the area that's basically underneath the

1074
01:44:43,360 --> 01:44:50,580
earth you can see where it is visible in these other areas but in essence they

1075
01:44:50,580 --> 01:44:52,020
and you prove that it is a basement.

1076
01:45:02,800 --> 01:45:11,100
These are the materials that the applicant is proposing. So the ballot is very neutral. It's mostly

1077
01:45:11,100 --> 01:45:21,720
grays, as you can see, and they do have this wood oak planking for soft bits. That's the

1078
01:45:21,720 --> 01:45:32,120
only material that is not a gray or a black tone. And then, as I mentioned, the main color

1079
01:45:32,120 --> 01:45:36,520
for the home is going to be gray as well. And it does meet our LRV requirements.

1080
01:45:46,280 --> 01:45:48,940
No, I'm sorry that the poor code is just on the radio.

1081
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:50,940
This right here, yep.

1082
01:46:07,530 --> 01:46:14,110
In terms of their fire access, we did reach out to a fire. They are proposing

1083
01:46:15,710 --> 01:46:17,210
this area right here.

1084
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:23,800
As I mentioned, it is on a private road. In essence,

1085
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:35,560
currently what they have submitted for our fire marshal meets our fire code. This drive way area on this side that was expanded.

1086
01:46:37,220 --> 01:46:50,060
Potentially might not be needed. That's something that as they progressed in building reviews will need to be engineered if it is needed after all.

1087
01:46:50,060 --> 01:46:55,520
But currently, their plan, as I mentioned this meter of fire marshal standards in

1088
01:47:11,100 --> 01:47:13,120
terms of their landscape plan.

1089
01:47:13,540 --> 01:47:19,680
They are showing native plants, native vegetation.

1090
01:47:20,620 --> 01:47:27,620
It is pretty minimal with their doing on site. And so you can see that here in this area,

1091
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:33,380
there's not a lot of.

1092
01:47:33,380 --> 01:47:36,220
of not a lot to vegetate

1093
01:47:36,220 --> 01:47:38,260
when you don't have an extensive area

1094
01:47:38,940 --> 01:47:41,880
of outdoor area that is contained within the home.

1095
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:46,200
So in this case, a lot of the vegetation

1096
01:47:46,200 --> 01:47:48,480
is along their driveway area

1097
01:47:49,820 --> 01:47:52,780
which helps to also cover up that cut

1098
01:47:52,780 --> 01:47:54,360
that will be created for the driveway.

1099
01:47:54,740 --> 01:47:57,420
The driveway was also, or the cut

1100
01:47:57,420 --> 01:47:59,800
for the driveway was also in a stipulation as well.

1101
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:01,740
Part of that stipulation

1102
01:48:01,740 --> 01:48:07,520
that call out for landscaping to be in that area as well, which is what they show here.

1103
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:20,400
This is their lighting plan, so they are showing some uplights mainly in the driveway area

1104
01:48:20,750 --> 01:48:26,580
to be uplighting these trees, and then the rest of their lighting is mostly pathlights,

1105
01:48:27,300 --> 01:48:28,720
which you can see here.

1106
01:48:28,720 --> 01:48:29,660
And

1107
01:48:33,370 --> 01:48:41,630
this path light that is recessed, it is facing up, it is capped and so it won't

1108
01:48:41,630 --> 01:48:44,130
be washing up any walls.

1109
01:48:57,730 --> 01:49:02,910
In terms of sewer, there is no public sewer available near this vicinity.

1110
01:49:03,610 --> 01:49:06,450
So a septic system will be required.

1111
01:49:11,370 --> 01:49:15,410
A full safety improvement plan she was submitted.

1112
01:49:15,410 --> 01:49:19,490
There was no comments that were received.

1113
01:49:20,810 --> 01:49:26,030
This is a fairly complicated development that will be occurring.

1114
01:49:26,970 --> 01:49:35,390
So as the applicant progresses into building plan check, additional grading and drainage

1115
01:49:35,390 --> 01:49:42,830
materials may be required, not only for the development of the parcel itself, but also

1116
01:49:42,830 --> 01:49:44,110
for the town own parcel.

1117
01:49:44,110 --> 01:49:49,630
So those are part of the different stipulations that were added to the report as well.

1118
01:49:54,400 --> 01:49:58,900
So at this point, I will conclude my presentation, and if the applicant can join us.

1119
01:50:01,810 --> 01:50:02,190
Good morning.

1120
01:50:02,350 --> 01:50:02,610
Welcome.

1121
01:50:02,910 --> 01:50:03,410
Come on up.

1122
01:50:07,250 --> 01:50:07,770
Sorry.

1123
01:50:09,290 --> 01:50:11,130
We'll miss you.

1124
01:50:11,290 --> 01:50:11,630
And I'll.

1125
01:50:11,770 --> 01:50:12,190
Thank you.

1126
01:50:12,510 --> 01:50:12,710
Thank you.

1127
01:50:14,250 --> 01:50:14,770
Hi.

1128
01:50:14,890 --> 01:50:16,750
I'm Lindsay with Column Homes.

1129
01:50:16,750 --> 01:50:20,430
I'm one of the owners of the company and the architect for the project.

1130
01:50:21,350 --> 01:50:24,250
I'm Daniel Marshall. I'm a project architect.

1131
01:50:25,090 --> 01:50:28,710
I'll also note that our homeowner, Caitlin Salume, is on via Zoom.

1132
01:50:29,490 --> 01:50:30,310
Excellent. Thank you.

1133
01:50:32,650 --> 01:50:35,530
Well, thanks for being here. This nice simple little project.

1134
01:50:36,090 --> 01:50:36,990
Yes, very simple.

1135
01:50:37,250 --> 01:50:37,690
I'm planning it all.

1136
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:41,310
I have some questions I'm going to direct to staff

1137
01:50:41,310 --> 01:50:43,530
just to get started just so I understand.

1138
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:48,750
So the what we'll call the top lot,

1139
01:50:48,990 --> 01:50:51,690
which for my entire life I've wondered

1140
01:50:51,690 --> 01:50:56,310
Why that's there and you just asked my parents if it was like an active volcano

1141
01:50:56,310 --> 01:51:08,310
and no relation to the risk amount. That's to be restored by the town or to be restored by the

1142
01:51:08,310 --> 01:51:15,670
applicant with approval by the town. It's supposed to be a partnership and so the town is supposed to

1143
01:51:15,670 --> 01:51:24,650
direct. Once the applicant gives us a proposal, then we will review it and then figure out the best way to restore it. But in

1144
01:51:24,650 --> 01:51:34,770
essence, it's the applicant that will be proposing that, especially because within the stipulated judgment, it mentions that that film may be placed on the

1145
01:51:34,770 --> 01:51:40,990
the town on parcel. And so stabilizing that and making it conform to the code would be something

1146
01:51:40,990 --> 01:51:47,230
that we would review, but the applicant would propose. Okay, it makes sense. And just not

1147
01:51:47,230 --> 01:51:50,370
pursuant to this application, but would Hillside be involved in that at all?

1148
01:51:52,130 --> 01:51:58,610
The stipulated judgment asks that as a staff. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. They mentioned the town.

1149
01:51:58,970 --> 01:52:03,570
Okay. So the committee can gripe it to the town if we don't want it.

1150
01:52:04,810 --> 01:52:10,550
Awesome. I just have a couple of questions that I'll ask and thank you for your

1151
01:52:10,550 --> 01:52:12,730
presentation and for bringing the materials today.

1152
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:19,000
And let me ask one more thing

1153
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:23,140
this time. I looked in the report stipulations. I don't see anything about

1154
01:52:23,140 --> 01:52:29,220
treatment for cut. Usually we can standard step that. Would that be something we'd

1155
01:52:29,220 --> 01:52:33,980
need to address? That's something that we could definitely add. Okay, as well.

1156
01:52:33,980 --> 01:52:42,580
Is there any plans to treat that cut with the E&I or similar or what were you thinking?

1157
01:52:43,160 --> 01:52:44,240
Nothing at all perhaps?

1158
01:52:44,340 --> 01:52:49,760
Our intention is to treat it with the E&I, the area that you can see in this rendering

1159
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:54,440
where the home will sit, which is the majority of the fall that faces to the southwest.

1160
01:52:55,060 --> 01:52:59,440
That is going to be disturbed and re-vegetated to build the home.

1161
01:53:00,140 --> 01:53:18,960
It's the portion that's to the south that's kind of on the right side of this rendering that's the most known even further over from that yeah that section that's on our homeowners parcel just to the west of the water tower that that's what you see when you're driving straight up in

1162
01:53:18,960 --> 01:53:25,120
for Gordon. That whole that that unimproved access path that goes to the town acquisition

1163
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:31,660
parcel will be rebuilt into the mountain as part of the rebuilding there won't be access

1164
01:53:31,660 --> 01:53:37,040
to that top parcel when we're finished is the intention and all of that area there where

1165
01:53:37,040 --> 01:53:42,100
the cut is for that access path and then the fall beneath it will need to be treated with

1166
01:53:42,100 --> 01:53:45,400
the United and attempt to re-vegetate it.

1167
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,140
That cut's been there since the mid-40s.

1168
01:53:48,820 --> 01:53:50,420
So we'll see what takes.

1169
01:53:51,060 --> 01:53:51,300
Awesome.

1170
01:53:51,960 --> 01:53:52,120
Great.

1171
01:53:52,360 --> 01:53:52,660
Thank you.

1172
01:53:53,580 --> 01:53:56,240
OK, so pursuant to your design, a couple of questions.

1173
01:53:56,800 --> 01:53:58,740
I couldn't, and we're on the right pages for this.

1174
01:53:59,680 --> 01:54:01,620
It looks like the pool has a spillway.

1175
01:54:02,160 --> 01:54:05,080
Is that visible or is that layered?

1176
01:54:05,340 --> 01:54:08,160
I couldn't quite see if we're going to see that or not.

1177
01:54:08,700 --> 01:54:09,900
The spillway will be visible.

1178
01:54:10,180 --> 01:54:10,460
OK.

1179
01:54:10,460 --> 01:54:16,100
Okay. And then is there a tile surface on that? You're thinking? Yes. Yeah. We don't have that tile.

1180
01:54:16,340 --> 01:54:24,170
Uh, we don't. We don't. We don't. Okay. That's no problem. They work with that.

1181
01:54:25,210 --> 01:54:32,270
Um, that's good. Roof surface. What are you thinking? Uh, it's a flat roof. Uh, it will be

1182
01:54:33,250 --> 01:54:37,430
integrated foam, a last merit foam that it matches the stucco color.

1183
01:54:39,660 --> 01:54:46,340
Would you consider any kind of top coat or sand coat ballast chip something to chip? I'd be open to

1184
01:54:46,980 --> 01:54:52,120
Ballast is not my favorite from my home builder hat. Yeah, it makes it harder to find any crafts or leaks

1185
01:54:53,320 --> 01:54:57,280
Right, we're just trying to sort of naturalize all those other not a lot of people that we'll see that

1186
01:54:57,740 --> 01:55:02,640
But then again, I like to say, you know southwest air flight 93. We want to make a good impression

1187
01:55:03,120 --> 01:55:04,480
In the body flying over

1188
01:55:08,530 --> 01:55:16,840
talked about the pink colors. I wanted to talk a little bit about just not really pursuant

1189
01:55:16,840 --> 01:55:22,600
to the design but construction staging. That's going to be difficult. And it's probably

1190
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:27,480
a little bit of question for staff too. How's it going to work just so the neighbors have

1191
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:30,260
some idea of what's in front of them?

1192
01:55:31,100 --> 01:55:41,100
So the road work where they required a Donnie who parcel road improvement that comes as a stipulation for getting a building permit on this site has already begun.

1193
01:55:42,380 --> 01:55:52,380
And with that road widening, it will allow us to get the few vehicles necessary to start excavation once the driveway is excavated.

1194
01:55:52,380 --> 01:56:09,140
the path in will become the construction parking and our intention after hopefully receiving approval today from this committee is to work with town staff immediately to to to finalize the shaping of the town acquisition parcel.

1195
01:56:09,140 --> 01:56:27,560
our intention is then to use mining equipment, basically, to move, like, conveyor belt, the export up onto the town lot and we'll have one piece of equipment up there and a sifter to move it around and reshape the top parcel.

1196
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:38,120
Wow. Easy. Yeah. It'll be grand. Awesome. My only other comment and I'll open up for

1197
01:56:38,120 --> 01:56:45,860
a rest of the committee, but I need to bring this up. But part of our preview is trying to make

1198
01:56:45,860 --> 01:56:51,720
sure everything's harmonious with the hillside. And while I like the LRV values of the paint color,

1199
01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:59,300
I'm not sure that that's maybe the best most harmonious gray to fit in with that particular piece of the mountain.

1200
01:57:01,460 --> 01:57:10,780
So, I'm wondering out loud if you'd be willing to look at some alternatives that we could maybe stipulate for final approval

1201
01:57:10,780 --> 01:57:18,340
because I think it's a little too blue of a gray to kind of match that topography. I'm pretty familiar with mummy. I did my whole life.

1202
01:57:18,340 --> 01:57:25,180
So I just don't see that color in nature on that rock, and would love to see something a little warmer.

1203
01:57:25,820 --> 01:57:26,860
Are you open to that?

1204
01:57:27,820 --> 01:57:36,520
Yeah, we're certainly open to pursuing a warmer paint color, but wouldn't want to keep it harmonious with the selected stone.

1205
01:57:36,900 --> 01:57:40,080
It is a natural stone, so it does have warm and cool tones to it.

1206
01:57:40,460 --> 01:57:43,320
So we could pull some of the warmer elements at that out.

1207
01:57:43,320 --> 01:57:45,100
Excellent. Thank you.

1208
01:57:48,120 --> 01:57:57,080
All right. Any other questions or comments? Yes a couple. So I think this is for staff first and then maybe the applicant.

1209
01:57:57,680 --> 01:58:02,720
When we look at the net disturbed area now that excludes the city parcel.

1210
01:58:04,810 --> 01:58:10,550
And then what has proposed is it's between five and six thousand feet is the difference which we're picking up.

1211
01:58:13,150 --> 01:58:20,130
correct. Where is that? So there's there's 38,000 that it's calling out as already existing,

1212
01:58:20,630 --> 01:58:27,350
right? And so would they are bringing down to us to 24,000? Right. And so where's the difference?

1213
01:58:28,370 --> 01:58:32,550
So the thing that we're all going to look back at 10 years from now and say, oh,

1214
01:58:32,990 --> 01:58:39,230
we picked up five to 6,000 feet of disturbed area and where where is that going to appear?

1215
01:58:39,230 --> 01:58:53,610
That's mostly in the spokes flow area. So that's that's in this area here on this side, which is into that town on parcel and then some of it is also on this side on the road.

1216
01:58:54,490 --> 01:58:59,770
Okay, so some of it is this bill itself correct. Most of it is this bill itself.

1217
01:58:59,770 --> 01:59:06,690
All right. So now I'm going to pivot over to the applicant for staff to say that it's

1218
01:59:06,690 --> 01:59:13,830
going to go from disturbed to non-disturbed. My layman view would be, I'm not going to

1219
01:59:13,830 --> 01:59:19,830
see spill anymore. I'm not going to see spill that's just been colorized. So really practically

1220
01:59:19,830 --> 01:59:25,170
what's happening with that area that Scott was talking about earlier, that you said you're

1221
01:59:25,170 --> 01:59:30,470
going to try to bring back, you're going to modify the city parcel right and cap it or do

1222
01:59:30,470 --> 01:59:35,970
things to it. But then that's going to move and kind of become one with the spill. So does

1223
01:59:35,970 --> 01:59:41,330
this spill get added to? And like how does it not look like that anymore?

1224
01:59:42,110 --> 01:59:47,430
So right now the best surface material we have is coming from the road expansion

1225
01:59:48,110 --> 01:59:51,810
because that is natural material that hasn't been disturbed.

1226
01:59:51,810 --> 01:59:59,930
So we have been working with town staff to store that that that nice does

1227
02:00:02,620 --> 02:00:12,880
We will be reusing that service material to resurface both the hill that will build on the acquisition

1228
02:00:12,880 --> 02:00:19,260
parcel and the reshaping of that access path as well as the spill beneath it.

1229
02:00:19,260 --> 02:00:36,860
So the unite we hope will take as much as possible, but the areas that are being highlighted now, all the good surface material that we find in those roadways that will end up being the surface material used when we reshape the top.

1230
02:00:38,120 --> 02:00:46,580
Okay. I hate to drive into this if I'm going to. So you have, you know, 70-year-old plus spill

1231
02:00:46,580 --> 02:00:55,220
that's been pushed over. Practically, you can't pull it back. And if you put stuff on it,

1232
02:00:55,720 --> 02:01:05,140
it could just end up down in the mountain, right? So how do you keep it? I'm still just practically

1233
02:01:05,140 --> 02:01:08,100
trying to understand what's it going to look like after we're done?

1234
02:01:08,900 --> 02:01:12,220
That is something we will have to continue to work on.

1235
02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:17,000
It's part of understanding the geotechnical portion of that site

1236
02:01:17,610 --> 02:01:19,840
to really know what's possible.

1237
02:01:21,620 --> 02:01:31,200
The resurfacing agent is the option for the vast majority that is right next to the house

1238
02:01:31,200 --> 02:01:36,820
and in this billway that replacement of materials is part of the conversation with the acquisition

1239
02:01:36,820 --> 02:01:37,340
parcel.

1240
02:01:39,980 --> 02:01:48,660
Okay, thank you. Second question is this seems very binary to me about the fire. It is

1241
02:01:48,660 --> 02:01:53,680
either needed or it's not needed. It's all about measurements. So how is this still an open item?

1242
02:01:56,060 --> 02:02:01,280
Either a fire truck can turn around or it can't. Correct. Okay, so what's open still?

1243
02:02:01,280 --> 02:02:07,780
So what they, and part of their proposal as you can see it on, let me bring it up.

1244
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:18,560
How that maybe that area is either needed or not needed that you were discussing in the proposal or in the review.

1245
02:02:19,860 --> 02:02:23,620
There, yeah, right here, correct.

1246
02:02:24,920 --> 02:02:26,920
I mean, this is all dimensioned out, right?

1247
02:02:27,360 --> 02:02:31,720
So what is required by the fire department to turn a truck around?

1248
02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:35,220
So in essence, this is what they submitted.

1249
02:02:36,200 --> 02:02:42,400
I spoke to our fire marshal and he said that for the proposal, this would suffice.

1250
02:02:42,760 --> 02:02:50,540
They didn't include materials within their grading and drainage plan that shows

1251
02:02:51,600 --> 02:02:58,420
how they would be able to improve this, but they also talked about

1252
02:02:58,420 --> 02:03:05,240
So, in this area that's here that's cutting into the mountain a little more, this triangle,

1253
02:03:06,640 --> 02:03:14,480
that also would be fine as a fire truck turnaround, I'm not sure as we move forward if that

1254
02:03:14,480 --> 02:03:18,820
is going to change, I'm not sure if the applicant would add to that.

1255
02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:24,440
Yeah, the areas that are shown here were requested by the Paradise Valley Fire Marshall on both

1256
02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:25,300
sides of the street.

1257
02:03:26,120 --> 02:03:27,960
That's why they're shown on the plan.

1258
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:29,440
So they're both required.

1259
02:03:29,800 --> 02:03:31,880
Correct. His request was for both areas.

1260
02:03:32,260 --> 02:03:42,500
I think the requested town staff is further information on the stabilization of the portion that's shown to the screen left, which is the north side of the road from our civil engineer.

1261
02:03:43,960 --> 02:03:47,420
Okay. So subject to figuring out how to build it.

1262
02:03:47,420 --> 02:03:54,660
If it turns out it's impossible to build it or cost prohibitive to build what we're seeing

1263
02:03:54,660 --> 02:03:57,320
for the left side of the road, what happens?

1264
02:03:57,800 --> 02:04:01,760
We would have to ensure that there's fire access elsewhere.

1265
02:04:02,020 --> 02:04:03,840
Does the trying to go get bigger is my question.

1266
02:04:06,280 --> 02:04:13,260
It would have to, but I believe the missing component for the north side of the street is

1267
02:04:13,260 --> 02:04:14,920
that the calculations are not in the civil.

1268
02:04:14,920 --> 02:04:19,580
that if you go, do you have the civil engineer in all of those?

1269
02:04:19,920 --> 02:04:25,360
There is a section through that road cut in the civil.

1270
02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:41,820
Really, I'm driving to the point of, are we looking at a bigger cut

1271
02:04:41,820 --> 02:04:43,780
if you can't build to the north side?

1272
02:04:44,100 --> 02:04:44,540
What happens?

1273
02:04:45,260 --> 02:04:50,820
Like, is this materially going to be like another 15, 20 feet of a cut?

1274
02:04:50,980 --> 02:04:52,420
Just down to make that grind as bigger.

1275
02:04:52,860 --> 02:04:54,000
And then what's that going to look like?

1276
02:04:54,000 --> 02:05:01,440
So, the grade there that's shown in Section H, that is the, in addition to the road improvements

1277
02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:09,240
that are required under the previously given right away permit, it's 1.75 to 1 slope

1278
02:05:09,780 --> 02:05:10,500
on the side.

1279
02:05:10,780 --> 02:05:17,900
So, of all the points on this site, it's the shallowest of these slopes that we're dealing

1280
02:05:17,900 --> 02:05:18,360
with here.

1281
02:05:19,400 --> 02:05:23,740
But we need to provide further information to town staff on how that will be stabilized.

1282
02:05:23,740 --> 02:05:40,980
is, um, roughly from CBL is the civil engineer on this project. Uh, we don't, there's, uh, I am not concerned about being able to stabilize that section of the mountain.

1283
02:05:41,800 --> 02:05:46,160
How far out will you have to go there to get enough turnaround for the fire to broke?

1284
02:05:46,160 --> 02:05:57,060
I believe it's an extension. Do you have it on the plan, Jose? I believe it's eight feet to 10 feet.

1285
02:06:04,030 --> 02:06:05,570
So 18 feet total width.

1286
02:06:08,570 --> 02:06:19,630
Well, yeah, to get that, let's say, similar surface to the road to turn around, how further out from there knowing that you have a fall happening.

1287
02:06:19,630 --> 02:06:24,730
you have to go to keep stabilizing the actual turn around spot. I'm trying to

1288
02:06:24,730 --> 02:06:30,290
figure out what's impacting. So the edge of the darker area there is the road

1289
02:06:30,290 --> 02:06:34,350
with the final road with once the required improvements are made.

1290
02:06:36,510 --> 02:06:42,710
The hatched area is the extension. So that there is 20 feet as you

1291
02:06:45,940 --> 02:06:51,120
can use

1292
02:06:51,120 --> 02:06:58,200
six additional feet of area for a truck to drive on correct so then my question is

1293
02:06:58,200 --> 02:07:04,080
beyond that because it's a fall to get that six to work either have to put a

1294
02:07:04,080 --> 02:07:09,240
retaining wall in or you have to go further out to stabilize yes so I'm

1295
02:07:09,240 --> 02:07:17,200
trying to do that so the darker lines that are reshaping the topos there that's

1296
02:07:17,200 --> 02:07:26,180
the intended distance. So it's almost double roughly. What you're doing on the road expansion

1297
02:07:26,180 --> 02:07:33,340
or turnaround area, you have to double it to get out. Yes. But the intention is to keep that

1298
02:07:33,340 --> 02:07:40,460
natural and restore back to a desert rather than introduce a retaining wall on that side of the road.

1299
02:07:42,790 --> 02:07:47,050
And then where the triangle is, is that going to be a retaining wall then?

1300
02:07:47,870 --> 02:08:01,750
Yeah, where the E7 marker is, it's a short retaining wall because we are cutting back that section of the mountain for the stipulated judgment to bring in that driveway.

1301
02:08:02,470 --> 02:08:07,590
So it flares open there, the intention is that that wall is where the house number would go.

1302
02:08:13,690 --> 02:08:16,830
Yeah, well, the driveway is going to be the darker area.

1303
02:08:17,150 --> 02:08:17,330
Right.

1304
02:08:17,490 --> 02:08:22,450
The intention for both of these areas is that they're more of a natural stabilized material.

1305
02:08:22,750 --> 02:08:24,550
So they don't appear to be a part of the driveway.

1306
02:08:24,830 --> 02:08:25,870
They appear to be more natural.

1307
02:08:26,470 --> 02:08:27,430
Thank you for all that.

1308
02:08:29,430 --> 02:08:37,690
So just for the record, I'm not super comfortable with calling that we're going to net reduced disturbed area.

1309
02:08:37,690 --> 02:08:43,430
if we don't have an actual plan for what the net disturbed area return is going to look like.

1310
02:08:44,270 --> 02:08:50,750
We, I'm not hearing any clear answers about what that's going to be. So I feel like our

1311
02:08:50,750 --> 02:08:54,530
disturbed area is going to be the same as it is now. It's just going to be a different color.

1312
02:08:56,770 --> 02:09:04,250
It's still going to be spilled. It probably won't have anything over it. It's just the way it's

1313
02:09:04,250 --> 02:09:08,150
going to be and if that's what it's going to be, I think we should all own that and

1314
02:09:08,150 --> 02:09:15,270
say that that's what we're doing here. That's a comment. I agree with Chair on the

1315
02:09:15,270 --> 02:09:23,070
pool tile that that should be a stip so that we know what we're looking at and Chair

1316
02:09:23,070 --> 02:09:30,490
and staff approval. On the recessed lights, there's just a couple of questions.

1317
02:09:32,910 --> 02:09:37,770
There's 30 of them and because of where they're located with the soft fits, you don't have

1318
02:09:37,770 --> 02:09:41,170
a lot of space to go away from the vertical surface.

1319
02:09:42,030 --> 02:09:43,570
So the cut-offs are very important.

1320
02:09:44,490 --> 02:09:49,310
They can't have this 90-degree spread, or they're just going to wash the whole thing up.

1321
02:09:50,110 --> 02:09:57,210
So I noticed that they were narrower fixtures, more, I'm not going to call it pins, but do

1322
02:09:57,210 --> 02:09:58,890
do you know the actual cutoff on those?

1323
02:09:59,090 --> 02:10:04,330
Are they like narrow like 20% or 45%, still

1324
02:10:06,380 --> 02:10:09,360
probably not enough in some of those locations.

1325
02:10:09,680 --> 02:10:12,320
I mean, they're just going to light up whatever they're next to.

1326
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:19,580
Yeah, so it has upper and main patios to the east that it's also on the upper patios.

1327
02:10:19,580 --> 02:10:28,720
Most of those are next to a glass surface, so they'd be shining and complement to the interior

1328
02:10:28,720 --> 02:10:31,460
lighting rather than again stay solid surface wall.

1329
02:10:35,250 --> 02:10:37,250
Yeah, it's some concerns about those two.

1330
02:10:38,390 --> 02:10:47,360
I just feel like the ones that are closer to the glazing should be more like a 20.

1331
02:10:47,900 --> 02:10:52,800
Like more, I'm not saying a pin light, but they're really intended to light up the walking surface,

1332
02:10:53,220 --> 02:11:03,200
not the glass. And so that's just the comment. And then it says that the civil has to be updated in

1333
02:11:03,200 --> 02:11:12,380
the staff reports, can you specifically indicate outside of this fire area, is that the

1334
02:11:12,380 --> 02:11:14,880
only update, or is there other updates?

1335
02:11:16,620 --> 02:11:23,500
That's part of the main concern with staff, right, is that they didn't submit what this

1336
02:11:23,500 --> 02:11:26,720
extended six foot of with is going to be.

1337
02:11:26,720 --> 02:11:37,760
The other one would be, once they start cutting into that spill slope area, is what are

1338
02:11:37,760 --> 02:11:40,620
they finding and then how are they stabilizing the top lot.

1339
02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:46,600
So that will be the other revision as well as providing a sweep in that area.

1340
02:11:48,930 --> 02:11:56,010
So to be clear, there's nothing to do with core drainage to be updated.

1341
02:11:56,970 --> 02:12:03,570
there's nothing to do. I guess I guess it's mainly drainage that I'm concerned about.

1342
02:12:10,200 --> 02:12:14,700
I'll rephrase it. Is this committee seeing the full drainage picture on the current civil plans?

1343
02:12:17,260 --> 02:12:24,900
So they had submitted a safety improvement plan and I think part of it, I don't review those,

1344
02:12:25,160 --> 02:12:31,620
but I think part of it was still missing the complete picture of what we're looking at. And so that's

1345
02:12:31,620 --> 02:12:39,120
part of that stipulation that you see on there is that the reports should be revised

1346
02:12:39,120 --> 02:12:40,940
moving forward.

1347
02:12:41,560 --> 02:12:47,420
And so in building plan check is when they will be submitting all of those not just for

1348
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:55,500
the site itself but also for the road work and then also for the top lot as well.

1349
02:12:55,500 --> 02:13:05,180
I'd like to get clarification on that, the application for the site as required by the

1350
02:13:05,180 --> 02:13:09,240
health side ordinance and the stipulations is complete.

1351
02:13:10,320 --> 02:13:17,000
The open items are how to treat the town acquisition parcel, which requires coordination

1352
02:13:17,660 --> 02:13:19,180
after health side approval.

1353
02:13:20,060 --> 02:13:27,040
and the road work has received a separate approval permitting and the

1354
02:13:28,180 --> 02:13:33,860
swift that's outstanding with the town staff right now was a request to

1355
02:13:33,860 --> 02:13:37,800
salvage the good finished material from the road and temporarily store it on

1356
02:13:37,800 --> 02:13:42,580
the organization parcel. And by the private road I mean the extension of where it

1357
02:13:42,580 --> 02:13:49,020
goes all the way around since it not all of it is being improved. There is a

1358
02:13:49,020 --> 02:13:57,180
a portion of it that encircles the town on the parcel, and so that's that other portion of it.

1359
02:13:57,640 --> 02:14:02,820
That portion of the road would not be a part of our construction. It would be the requirement of

1360
02:14:02,820 --> 02:14:09,040
whoever builds on 7080 on the north parcel, and if the city of Phoenix ever improves parcel 2,

1361
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:10,280
which they own to the east.

1362
02:14:14,220 --> 02:14:17,680
The requirement from the stipulation and the road improvement plan,

1363
02:14:17,680 --> 02:14:19,820
and the road improvement agreements from 1988

1364
02:14:20,380 --> 02:14:22,180
require that any of the Donahue parcels

1365
02:14:22,620 --> 02:14:24,800
improve the roadway on the Donahue parcels

1366
02:14:24,800 --> 02:14:25,980
to their point of access.

1367
02:14:26,520 --> 02:14:26,840
All

1368
02:14:33,140 --> 02:14:35,020
right, so this section of it right here.

1369
02:14:36,440 --> 02:14:39,400
That unimproved access path will be removed

1370
02:14:39,740 --> 02:14:41,000
as part of the discussion

1371
02:14:41,000 --> 02:14:44,200
with how to treat the town acquisition parcel.

1372
02:14:52,230 --> 02:14:54,670
Not pursuant to the application.

1373
02:14:55,410 --> 02:14:59,920
It would be nice if, and maybe,

1374
02:15:00,850 --> 02:15:27,190
Staff can help guide us, but as the town moves forward with the revetitation on that, it would be nice to have some hillside involvement. So even if it's an invitation, can put that out there because it'd be nice to get our committee's eyes on what's going to happen. Yeah, absolutely. It's reasonable. I mean, due to the complexity of the project, it'll, it'll basically be in phases. Right. And so.

1375
02:15:27,190 --> 02:15:38,150
So I was looking back at the stipulations, but one of them, which I was referring to

1376
02:15:38,150 --> 02:15:43,330
part of that private road, is that the construction plan outlining the excavated private road

1377
02:15:43,330 --> 02:15:50,150
material to be stored in the town parcel, we will require a construction staging plan as

1378
02:15:50,150 --> 02:15:55,090
submitted material cut volumes as well as the stabilization method and the SWIP.

1379
02:15:55,090 --> 02:16:01,970
So it means to say that it was looking, relooking at the whole private parcel, it's just stabilizing

1380
02:16:01,970 --> 02:16:02,550
that material.

1381
02:16:02,590 --> 02:16:03,030
That material.

1382
02:16:03,390 --> 02:16:03,830
Understood.

1383
02:16:04,930 --> 02:16:10,450
In our studies of how to treat the top lot, we end up, if we take the same footprint

1384
02:16:10,450 --> 02:16:15,930
of the base and load it to look like a hill, it ends up being about 20 feet tall in the

1385
02:16:15,930 --> 02:16:16,230
center.

1386
02:16:19,430 --> 02:16:19,690
All right.

1387
02:16:20,410 --> 02:16:23,990
Are there any questions or comments from other committee members?

1388
02:16:26,320 --> 02:16:35,040
Yes, Scott Bill, the seat is here, just wondering if Jose can maybe go back to I guess I call it the aerial.

1389
02:16:35,860 --> 02:16:48,760
I just want to be more familiar with the alignment of Invergordon as it kind of climbs up the mountain and maybe down the mountain and obviously provides access to the site.

1390
02:16:49,400 --> 02:16:58,080
Can you, is there a way to play, it just doesn't seem to look, I do see a little bit of a snake looking road going up.

1391
02:16:59,920 --> 02:17:17,670
Is that actually an improved roadway or is that going to be more asphalt down or improved in some way that is going to, you know, require some sensitivity to the view corridors from below, etc.

1392
02:17:17,670 --> 02:17:24,750
correct. Thank you. I think we're going to see a good answer that question here in a moment.

1393
02:17:26,370 --> 02:17:27,050
Thanks.

1394
02:18:15,290 --> 02:18:21,830
So part of Invergordon is a private road. You can see it here.

1395
02:18:24,620 --> 02:18:25,480
Yeah, there you go.

1396
02:18:26,500 --> 02:18:32,520
At this portion at the bottom is where Invergordon ends the actual public right of way.

1397
02:18:32,520 --> 02:18:40,200
and then from this point where it turns then it is a private roadway and so

1398
02:18:40,200 --> 02:18:45,560
that the applicant has already provided an improvement plan for that private

1399
02:18:45,560 --> 02:18:53,200
roadway and it goes all the way up the private road up until this point right

1400
02:18:53,200 --> 02:18:55,520
here is where those improvements will end.

1401
02:18:57,860 --> 02:19:01,780
Okay yeah that's very clear now and that

1402
02:19:01,780 --> 02:19:08,560
obviously will be access for construction as well during the building period. Right, and

1403
02:19:08,560 --> 02:19:11,920
permit has already been issued for those private road improvements.

1404
02:19:13,180 --> 02:19:18,920
The private road improvements that we're working on are part of the on the Donahoe parcel,

1405
02:19:18,920 --> 02:19:27,580
so from the far west side of parcel 1A, right, where that, no, no, further keep going, right.

1406
02:19:33,900 --> 02:19:39,050
That is a requirement. Yep, that section there.

1407
02:19:40,070 --> 02:19:47,550
For anyone that develops one of the Donahoe parcels that the portion of the road to get to their driveways a requirement before a building permit can be issued.

1408
02:19:48,070 --> 02:19:58,850
The balance of the road from their downhill is shared responsibility of all the homeowners and would require all participation based on percentages that were determined in the 80s.

1409
02:19:59,610 --> 02:20:12,450
So, we have filled the many potholes on the snake section of that road to provide safe access for construction vehicles as we're doing the road work and as we build the home.

1410
02:20:13,110 --> 02:20:17,550
But the full improvement of that section of the road would be a joint agreement with the homeowners.

1411
02:20:20,090 --> 02:20:30,870
Okay. Okay. No, I see that now. That's quite clear. Thank you. Just is the drive issue?

1412
02:20:31,110 --> 02:20:37,350
Enter the home itself, off of the board, and is that gated? Or will it be gated?

1413
02:20:37,350 --> 02:20:46,850
There is a gate for the north section of the road just before the 70-40 existing home.

1414
02:20:47,730 --> 02:20:48,670
Somewhere in here?

1415
02:20:49,270 --> 02:20:49,410
Yeah.

1416
02:20:53,060 --> 02:20:53,640
What's with this?

1417
02:20:54,720 --> 02:20:56,960
It is not working at the moment.

1418
02:20:57,480 --> 02:20:59,160
It's a shared gate with the parcels above.

1419
02:20:59,640 --> 02:21:00,660
It is not operational.

1420
02:21:01,940 --> 02:21:07,560
It was Jerry Rugged and running off of the power of the 70-40 existing home.

1421
02:21:07,560 --> 02:21:15,260
they had squatters in the home and so the gate was cut off. Part of improving the road,

1422
02:21:15,540 --> 02:21:20,960
we believe, part of improving the road in coordination with the other neighbors would be to restore power to the gate.

1423
02:21:22,420 --> 02:21:35,140
Okay, so that, so when we talk about a gate, it will be kind of down mountain that got point not necessarily at the entry drive of the residents were building.

1424
02:21:35,140 --> 02:21:39,040
That's correct, there will be no gate at the residents for the driveway.

1425
02:21:39,820 --> 02:21:46,100
There is a gate for pool code by pedestrian gate.

1426
02:21:46,920 --> 02:21:50,760
Yeah, I understood that. Okay. Great.

1427
02:21:51,440 --> 02:21:53,780
Thank you. Thank you.

1428
02:21:55,240 --> 02:21:57,820
Any other questions or comments from committee members?

1429
02:22:00,660 --> 02:22:05,180
I think I'll open it up to members of the community that might be here to speak on this application.

1430
02:22:05,180 --> 02:22:08,900
if you want to join in, there's an open mic. Please state your name for the record.

1431
02:22:12,210 --> 02:22:17,270
Yeah, come on up. You can come here and do it. Wherever you're comfortable. Yeah.

1432
02:22:18,110 --> 02:22:30,270
Or there. Yeah. Good morning. Yeah. That was fun. Tim Welch, I have a parcel directly west of

1433
02:22:31,050 --> 02:22:31,930
the applicants.

1434
02:22:35,780 --> 02:22:37,260
It's $7.45.

1435
02:22:40,580 --> 02:22:45,080
One question I had because we're in this, you're going to see me

1436
02:22:45,080 --> 02:22:50,200
soon probably in the next month or two. I'm kind of in the long, a couple of year process,

1437
02:22:50,420 --> 02:22:58,700
trying to get to this point, I guess. But one of the things on our judgment is we have two places

1438
02:22:58,700 --> 02:23:04,940
that we can come in at and come at the bottom part of the lot, or the top part. Now, our plan

1439
02:23:04,940 --> 02:23:10,960
right now is to stick with the we're planning to try to keep the bottom although we've now had to make

1440
02:23:10,960 --> 02:23:18,440
some adjustments just to conform with the with our judgment and so it's everything's kind of

1441
02:23:18,440 --> 02:23:23,200
up everything's back up here I guess my one question would be is it looks like the road improvements

1442
02:23:23,740 --> 02:23:29,580
that are going to be they go into my lot they would be where like potentially my driveway could

1443
02:23:29,580 --> 02:23:47,500
can you just describe what is that, like how is that impacted, how much is that easement coming into the, you know, I assume we're not cutting in to expand the road, but are we just, are we pushing out to expand the road or what's what's going in that section?

1444
02:23:48,020 --> 02:23:50,960
And with that impact, my driveway, I guess.

1445
02:23:50,960 --> 02:23:52,020
go

1446
02:23:54,300 --> 02:23:59,220
one previous, yep that one right there if you consume it in that portion. Thank you.

1447
02:24:00,020 --> 02:24:06,960
This is the road improvement plan that we've put together for this portion. The

1448
02:24:06,960 --> 02:24:13,760
road improvement requirements and widths are dictated by the 1988 agreement and we

1449
02:24:13,760 --> 02:24:19,980
are building to those specifications. So you can see there is a little bit of

1450
02:24:19,980 --> 02:24:27,840
there'll be a ribbon curb on these south side of the road which would be if you

1451
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:31,100
come in from that top areas that what you're thinking doing now if you come

1452
02:24:31,100 --> 02:24:35,220
in from that area it would be where your driveway would come in. Okay and so

1453
02:24:35,220 --> 02:24:39,340
how far do you have to expand the road I'm assuming you're a widening it? Yes but

1454
02:24:39,340 --> 02:24:44,740
most of the widening is actually happening once you get to Joe and Caitlin's

1455
02:24:44,740 --> 02:24:49,560
parcel where we are actually digging into the mountain it's passed the entrance

1456
02:24:49,560 --> 02:24:51,020
to Mrs. Glosson's parcel.

1457
02:24:51,980 --> 02:24:52,180
Okay.

1458
02:24:53,260 --> 02:24:56,240
You can see where we're on your property.

1459
02:24:56,840 --> 02:24:58,220
It's minimal.

1460
02:24:58,760 --> 02:25:02,360
And then once we get closer to where Joe and Caitlin's driveway is going to be,

1461
02:25:02,860 --> 02:25:07,920
where you see the repetition of the topography lines right there,

1462
02:25:08,140 --> 02:25:10,240
that's where the cut into the mountain will be occurring.

1463
02:25:11,120 --> 02:25:11,400
Okay.

1464
02:25:11,980 --> 02:25:16,620
And as far as the cost in terms of the,

1465
02:25:16,620 --> 02:25:28,220
for the road improvements what so when when do we get to how does that is there a formula or so when do we get notified or like when's the yeah for the balance of the road improvements.

1466
02:25:29,400 --> 02:25:39,260
It's the there's an agreement which I can send to you that dictates the proportion for each property owner I think we need to get all the neighbors together and decide.

1467
02:25:39,900 --> 02:25:43,640
you know, you're planning to activate a construction project. I know the

1468
02:25:43,640 --> 02:25:49,600
signs are also considering something on their parcel. So it may be time to create

1469
02:25:49,600 --> 02:25:54,120
some kind of HOA amongst the neighbors up there because the agreements that are

1470
02:25:54,120 --> 02:26:01,160
in place now are pretty antiquated. You can barely read them, absolutely. Like

1471
02:26:01,160 --> 02:26:02,300
literally, vigorously.

1472
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:08,820
I think someone photocopied it too many times and I can't

1473
02:26:08,820 --> 02:26:11,820
So there's some parts that are accidentally whited out by other labels.

1474
02:26:12,360 --> 02:26:17,860
So as far as so you're doing the improvements now but you right now the all the improvements

1475
02:26:17,860 --> 02:26:22,420
are just the ones the improvements that are on your lot you haven't started the road

1476
02:26:22,420 --> 02:26:23,620
improvements outside.

1477
02:26:23,800 --> 02:26:28,520
We have done the road improvements going from your lot that is a requirement for us to

1478
02:26:28,520 --> 02:26:29,400
receive a building permit.

1479
02:26:29,400 --> 02:26:32,260
So the section that runs through your parcel there we have done.

1480
02:26:32,860 --> 02:26:38,660
I think shared financial responsibility for that would be a conversation between you guys

1481
02:26:38,660 --> 02:26:46,800
and John Katelyn. Okay. Great. Thank you. Thanks. Thanks. Thanks for being here. Yeah. Please come

1482
02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:47,000
up.

1483
02:26:49,540 --> 02:26:55,260
Okay. I'm Tony Stein. We own the previous Campbell lot. We're the ones with the squatters.

1484
02:26:55,880 --> 02:27:03,300
But they got them. Oh, good. So yeah. Um, the water. Right now we have those two water tanks,

1485
02:27:03,440 --> 02:27:10,480
temporary water tanks that you said will be there until January on our lot. What is the plan

1486
02:27:10,480 --> 02:27:14,920
and afterwards, and is there for fires or fire hydrant?

1487
02:27:14,920 --> 02:27:18,360
Is there water available from the Phoenix Fire Department?

1488
02:27:18,860 --> 02:27:19,620
I mean, water department?

1489
02:27:20,060 --> 02:27:23,040
Yeah, so the tanks that thank you so generously

1490
02:27:23,040 --> 02:27:25,840
allowed us to put on your lot are providing us

1491
02:27:25,840 --> 02:27:28,820
with construction water to do the road improvements

1492
02:27:29,530 --> 02:27:33,280
as the city of Phoenix will not give us construction water

1493
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:34,380
until we have a building permit.

1494
02:27:34,940 --> 02:27:37,740
So it's a stopgap solution to allow the road work

1495
02:27:37,740 --> 02:27:45,700
to begin once we have a building permit for this home those tanks can be removed and we can use water

1496
02:27:46,360 --> 02:27:53,220
from the water service existing for this site. Part of the broader conversation with City of Phoenix

1497
02:27:53,740 --> 02:27:57,740
which is something that they are already talking about doing and we've talked with town staff about

1498
02:27:57,740 --> 02:28:08,700
this is upgrading the butter the well site from the 40s to provide service to newer homes and

1499
02:28:08,700 --> 02:28:15,320
a complete neighborhood of homes on this parcel. The city of Phoenix would be required. They

1500
02:28:15,960 --> 02:28:22,760
have a obligation to provide water service to their residents. So we're going to have to sort of

1501
02:28:22,760 --> 02:28:27,200
spearhead the effort on that to make sure that by the time Joe and Caitlin move into this home,

1502
02:28:27,740 --> 02:28:30,100
They have adequate water service from City of Phoenix.

1503
02:28:31,720 --> 02:28:35,240
Okay, and the second question is when I'm up there,

1504
02:28:35,860 --> 02:28:41,260
if there's a way to maybe put some cones on our driveway,

1505
02:28:41,600 --> 02:28:45,220
we're finding that the trucks are backing into our driveway

1506
02:28:45,780 --> 02:28:48,260
in order to turn around to go up the hill.

1507
02:28:48,400 --> 02:28:49,580
Oh, sure, we could definitely add that.

1508
02:28:49,580 --> 02:28:52,500
So we can do that and then they were having lunch

1509
02:28:52,500 --> 02:28:55,360
on our lot to sitting out on the,

1510
02:28:55,460 --> 02:28:57,280
there's chairs actually out there right now.

1511
02:28:57,280 --> 02:28:58,700
I think they sit there and have lunch.

1512
02:28:59,500 --> 02:29:00,580
We'll certainly get those removed.

1513
02:29:01,560 --> 02:29:03,300
I mean, I think they're gone now, but yeah.

1514
02:29:04,900 --> 02:29:06,320
Perhaps I could bring some lunch.

1515
02:29:06,440 --> 02:29:07,380
Yeah, right.

1516
02:29:08,760 --> 02:29:09,420
Never know.

1517
02:29:11,060 --> 02:29:11,940
Good. Thank you.

1518
02:29:12,100 --> 02:29:12,900
Thank you for your input.

1519
02:29:14,820 --> 02:29:16,060
And one last question.

1520
02:29:16,580 --> 02:29:19,780
And then I want to go over some potential stipulations.

1521
02:29:20,100 --> 02:29:20,960
The soft treatment.

1522
02:29:21,280 --> 02:29:22,220
That's wood throughout.

1523
02:29:22,220 --> 02:29:27,300
out. So there's no drywall dense glass painted solvents.

1524
02:29:27,440 --> 02:29:34,440
It's wood on the main outdoor spaces, but then the smaller ones are going to be stuck

1525
02:29:34,440 --> 02:29:34,680
out.

1526
02:29:34,860 --> 02:29:35,120
Okay.

1527
02:29:35,340 --> 02:29:41,200
Good. You probably heard us earlier, but that'll be a lot of recompliant on the paint.

1528
02:29:41,200 --> 02:29:41,860
Yes, absolutely.

1529
02:29:42,540 --> 02:29:49,160
It'd be this whatever we revisit for the worst cycle color will keep on the soft bits as

1530
02:29:49,160 --> 02:29:49,300
well.

1531
02:29:50,460 --> 02:29:56,780
So I have some thoughts that I'm going to put out to the committee for a motion of approval.

1532
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:23,720
Eight stipulations in the report as it reads now, and I've got five that I'd like to add. I'm going to read through them. It's not a motion, but I want some conversation on it. We have talked about what potentially might be stipulation nine. That's exterior paint color, paint color, stucco, Maine, and stucco accent colors.

1533
02:30:25,900 --> 02:30:31,500
Alternative colors should be selected to be more harmonious with the national setting. Final colors.

1534
02:30:31,500 --> 02:30:34,220
to be submitted for approval staff and chair.

1535
02:30:35,720 --> 02:30:41,760
Number 10 would be rock face cut treatments, cut areas to be treated with colorants such

1536
02:30:41,760 --> 02:30:46,260
as in-nighter equivalent with samples to be provided for approval by staff and chair.

1537
02:30:47,220 --> 02:30:53,160
Stipulation 11 would be pool tile, final pool tile to be submitted to staff and chair for

1538
02:30:53,160 --> 02:30:53,820
final approval.

1539
02:30:53,820 --> 02:31:00,520
Sipulation 12 would be roof surface to be broadcast top-coded with LRB compliance sand

1540
02:31:00,520 --> 02:31:05,340
chip or equivalent sample to be submitted to staff and chair for final approval.

1541
02:31:06,240 --> 02:31:11,340
And this last one, I need some input from the committee lighting.

1542
02:31:12,340 --> 02:31:22,460
Recess can lights to covered main and upper level patios to be either relocated or cut off

1543
02:31:22,460 --> 02:31:28,500
angle to be modified so as not to illuminate glass and architectural vertical surfaces,

1544
02:31:28,920 --> 02:31:35,700
submittals subject to approval by staff and share. Does that sound to the committee like we've

1545
02:31:35,700 --> 02:31:37,920
covered everything that we've had concerns about today?

1546
02:31:43,750 --> 02:31:48,350
Yes. Okay, thank you. Scott, what do you think?

1547
02:31:48,350 --> 02:31:49,210
I think the

1548
02:31:51,510 --> 02:31:56,870
only, again, I just want to hear it from staff.

1549
02:31:58,110 --> 02:32:03,210
The applicant is saying that the only civil that needs to be modified is the road civil.

1550
02:32:05,850 --> 02:32:08,130
Well, in the, in the, in the steps, there's more about that.

1551
02:32:08,630 --> 02:32:08,770
Yeah.

1552
02:32:09,390 --> 02:32:09,870
Right.

1553
02:32:10,430 --> 02:32:14,990
So there's, there's things that need to be, to be updated that were called out and their

1554
02:32:14,990 --> 02:32:15,830
various reports.

1555
02:32:16,890 --> 02:32:23,210
For example, number two, they provide a bolder stabilization plan for the bolder stability

1556
02:32:23,210 --> 02:32:25,330
analysis and geotech report.

1557
02:32:25,850 --> 02:32:27,490
That's something that needs to be revised.

1558
02:32:27,650 --> 02:32:30,510
They need to come up with a plan on how they are going to stabilize it.

1559
02:32:30,890 --> 02:32:38,590
That report called out certain concerns that came up, but that yet needs to be updated and

1560
02:32:38,590 --> 02:32:38,930
revised.

1561
02:32:41,790 --> 02:32:49,030
They also need to update their, their GND in accordance to, to our

1562
02:32:49,030 --> 02:32:54,530
post-existing program plan and also the process manual for building permit review

1563
02:32:54,530 --> 02:33:02,370
that's also with the stormwater mitigation measures. There's also the cut and

1564
02:33:02,370 --> 02:33:08,590
fill amounts that need to be updated. They gave us an estimate of what those

1565
02:33:08,590 --> 02:33:16,790
cut-and-fill amounts were, but as they get into the specific details of what they're pulling out

1566
02:33:16,790 --> 02:33:25,110
of the earth, then we need a more accurate number as well. So they'll need to provide an

1567
02:33:25,110 --> 02:33:26,270
origin for that.

1568
02:33:31,940 --> 02:33:42,220
The other stipulations are also for the, like, as I mentioned, the top law or the

1569
02:33:42,220 --> 02:33:49,560
coordinating with staff on how they're going to stabilize what they're pulling out, not just

1570
02:33:50,680 --> 02:33:57,000
how they're forming that top lot, but in the meantime, as they're pulling out that material,

1571
02:33:57,600 --> 02:34:02,400
they're placing it on the town on parcel. How are they stabilizing that? How are they also

1572
02:34:02,940 --> 02:34:11,680
providing SWIP for temporary storm retention measures while they continue construction and

1573
02:34:11,680 --> 02:34:17,700
continue digging up the site, that earth or rocks that are placed up there are just going

1574
02:34:17,700 --> 02:34:24,420
to be there for now until we figure out a plan on how that's going to be reconstructed

1575
02:34:24,420 --> 02:34:25,720
or reformed.

1576
02:34:25,780 --> 02:34:26,840
So that's the other one.

1577
02:34:30,690 --> 02:34:40,210
And then also in terms of that fire required widening, there are V&Ds that they provided

1578
02:34:40,210 --> 02:34:47,490
the private road improvements. Some of those were called out, but the GND wasn't,

1579
02:34:47,550 --> 02:34:53,910
it wasn't addressing how that is going to be stabilized, how is that constructed.

1580
02:34:54,510 --> 02:34:57,230
So that's another revision that we had in there as well.

1581
02:35:04,960 --> 02:35:10,880
I think those were it, but if I might have missed any, if anybody has anything to add, okay.

1582
02:35:11,400 --> 02:35:11,900
Thank you.

1583
02:35:11,900 --> 02:35:12,680
I

1584
02:35:15,820 --> 02:35:20,420
have, sorry, one more question on the staff report.

1585
02:35:21,400 --> 02:35:24,980
And this is just from my own history

1586
02:35:24,980 --> 02:35:27,240
and I'm just gonna ask the dumb question.

1587
02:35:28,060 --> 02:35:30,960
The hillside assurance bond is 221,000.

1588
02:35:32,180 --> 02:35:35,180
I didn't move any dirt, mine was almost 190,000.

1589
02:35:36,140 --> 02:35:39,520
So I'm trying to figure out if we get halfway

1590
02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:41,740
through this project and I'm not suggesting anything,

1591
02:35:41,900 --> 02:35:43,880
but I'm just saying something happens or whatever

1592
02:35:43,880 --> 02:35:50,580
and we have this massive over 40 foot cut on the house and we're pushing all

1593
02:35:50,580 --> 02:35:56,120
that back up to the top and we have this stage in time where we have a cut

1594
02:35:56,120 --> 02:36:00,040
and we have a bunch of new stuff on the top of the mountain and something

1595
02:36:00,040 --> 02:36:07,940
happens on the project where it doesn't continue is $221,000 gonna help and how

1596
02:36:07,940 --> 02:36:13,100
does that get calculated per the math that's been provided? Right so that's

1597
02:36:13,100 --> 02:36:25,800
Another stipulation that I mentioned is that those numbers need to be updated because what we saw is not an accurate representation of what will the project in its entirety will entail.

1598
02:36:26,360 --> 02:36:32,420
So that wouldn't need to be revised and it'll be a greater number.

1599
02:36:32,760 --> 02:36:35,860
So the calculation follows the revised.

1600
02:36:36,600 --> 02:36:40,140
G&D, grading and drainage plan kind

1601
02:36:45,520 --> 02:36:48,480
of I mean it's over I mean I can't even

1602
02:36:48,480 --> 02:36:51,760
talk about it it's a seven-figure number to put Humpty Dumpty back together

1603
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:57,220
again once that starts so I'm just saying the town has a code and the

1604
02:36:57,220 --> 02:37:02,300
applicant's gonna follow the code and we know that right but it's you know we

1605
02:37:02,300 --> 02:37:07,640
have a lot of special circumstances here then you know a stipulated judgment is

1606
02:37:07,640 --> 02:37:13,460
is one thing, but then the effects of what that stipulated judgment does at

1607
02:37:13,460 --> 02:37:17,900
a moment in time of construction if for some reason construction doesn't

1608
02:37:17,900 --> 02:37:25,980
continue is a fair concern. Right. Right. And what I'm saying is that these need

1609
02:37:25,980 --> 02:37:31,620
to be revised now prior to issuance of building permit. And that's all

1610
02:37:31,620 --> 02:37:35,540
code driven. That's not a hillside thing. You know, another word we're looking at

1611
02:37:35,540 --> 02:37:37,100
the math has been provided here,

1612
02:37:37,420 --> 02:37:40,820
based upon the volume that's been provided here.

1613
02:37:41,640 --> 02:37:42,540
Right, right.

1614
02:37:43,000 --> 02:37:46,380
So we went off of what the applicant submitted to us,

1615
02:37:46,380 --> 02:37:49,560
obviously, that's as much as we can review.

1616
02:37:50,200 --> 02:37:54,400
But as we reviewed it, we looked at different things

1617
02:37:54,400 --> 02:37:56,720
and so that was one thing that really stood out

1618
02:37:56,720 --> 02:38:01,300
is that that amount is not likely correct

1619
02:38:01,300 --> 02:38:02,600
and wanting to be revised.

1620
02:38:02,600 --> 02:38:05,280
and that will be prior to permit issuance.

1621
02:38:06,140 --> 02:38:09,580
So the applicant will have to revise the documents,

1622
02:38:10,220 --> 02:38:12,140
resubmit them, and we'll review them.

1623
02:38:12,400 --> 02:38:14,740
But that would all be subsequent to any of our purview.

1624
02:38:16,070 --> 02:38:17,020
Is that a fair statement?

1625
02:38:17,700 --> 02:38:18,280
Correct.

1626
02:38:21,050 --> 02:38:23,980
And as the applicant knows this is that,

1627
02:38:24,670 --> 02:38:27,900
what we discussed is that there can be a continuation

1628
02:38:27,900 --> 02:38:37,180
and should the Hillside Committee decide to continue it to the following meeting and address these items.

1629
02:38:38,780 --> 02:38:45,700
Uh, items presumed an application or inclusive of the provisions of the GND.

1630
02:38:45,700 --> 02:38:58,500
One of the items to note is that the applicant may use the top parcel to reshape it, but it's not a requirement of the stipulation.

1631
02:38:59,760 --> 02:39:08,700
So, we would like to work with the town to reshape the top parcel and create a better appearance for everybody in the town, because it's an eyesore for everyone.

1632
02:39:08,700 --> 02:39:13,900
But we're working with a site that has what 80-year-olds fill on it.

1633
02:39:14,600 --> 02:39:20,280
Our intention is not to leave it looking for our almost 40-year reputation in this community

1634
02:39:20,280 --> 02:39:25,920
and prior service on this committee and others should stand in sharing that.

1635
02:39:26,480 --> 02:39:31,140
Our intention is to do this the correct way and work with the town in order to do that.

1636
02:39:31,520 --> 02:39:38,540
I'd be happy to add working with the Hillside Committee to how we address the acquisition

1637
02:39:38,540 --> 02:39:45,880
parcel and but that is a that has to be a separate case from the approval of the home itself.

1638
02:39:51,860 --> 02:39:58,980
Okay, you okay about that because I you know I know on the other side of mummy on hummingbird there was

1639
02:39:58,980 --> 02:40:10,340
it was a pretty infamous bust out on the bond that left a scar there for nearly a decade that

1640
02:40:10,400 --> 02:40:19,360
got taken care of. So that assessment, that valuation is thankfully not within our scope,

1641
02:40:19,360 --> 02:40:25,680
but we will trust that all we have. So, well, if there's no other questions or comments,

1642
02:40:26,700 --> 02:40:30,260
I'd like to, yes, please come on up so we can hear you.

1643
02:40:35,020 --> 02:40:41,340
The same question I had last time we met to Tim Welch. Is there on the drainage plan,

1644
02:40:41,340 --> 02:40:49,920
the one thing when we had had to wash out like eight or ten years ago and they had fixed the

1645
02:40:50,620 --> 02:40:56,760
road or dorses they'd fixed the road they they'd kind of changed the road to basically take all

1646
02:40:56,760 --> 02:41:00,640
the runoff from the north side of the mountain and now it kind of comes and comes off this outside.

1647
02:41:01,240 --> 02:41:06,760
Is that in the plans just to show that water because it basically hits the road and it all washes right

1648
02:41:06,760 --> 02:41:11,940
down my lot, which will be exactly where my house is going to be. So has that been

1649
02:41:11,940 --> 02:41:15,020
changed to our, you know, north facing slope keeps going north?

1650
02:41:15,500 --> 02:41:19,580
Correct. And if you look at the road improvement plan that we had up earlier,

1651
02:41:20,140 --> 02:41:27,640
the curved side is to your parcel to attempt to collect that and then redirect any of the fall

1652
02:41:27,640 --> 02:41:34,020
back to the north down the the tongue part. That is great. Thank you so much for doing that.

1653
02:41:34,800 --> 02:41:35,520
Well,

1654
02:41:38,630 --> 02:41:43,590
we've had a lot of input and conversation and discussion on this. I think it's excellent.

1655
02:41:43,990 --> 02:41:49,690
It's a significant parcel. I'm happy to see it become improved and restored.

1656
02:41:51,190 --> 02:42:03,650
I would like to at this time make a motion regarding item C23282 formal review for a new single family residence at 7090 North Invergordon Road.

1657
02:42:04,730 --> 02:42:11,490
I move to approve the application as submitted with stipulations 1-8 in the report with

1658
02:42:11,490 --> 02:42:17,990
inclusive of the following additional stipulations which will be 9-13.

1659
02:42:18,850 --> 02:42:24,650
Stipulation number 9, exterior paint color, paint color on Stucco main and Stucco accent

1660
02:42:24,650 --> 02:42:25,370
colors.

1661
02:42:26,110 --> 02:42:33,670
will be submitted with alternative color choices selected to be more harmonious with

1662
02:42:33,670 --> 02:42:38,150
a natural setting with final colors to be submitted for approval by staff and chair.

1663
02:42:39,630 --> 02:42:47,410
Stipulation number ten, rock feet face cut treatments, all cut areas to be treated with colorant

1664
02:42:47,410 --> 02:42:52,790
such as e and night or equivalent with samples to be provided for approval by staff and chair.

1665
02:42:53,970 --> 02:43:00,330
stipulation number 11, pool tile, final pool tile to be submitted to staff and chair for

1666
02:43:00,330 --> 02:43:06,830
final approval, stipulation number 12, roof surface, roof surface to be broadcast top

1667
02:43:06,830 --> 02:43:13,410
coded with LRV compliant sand chip or equivalent, the samples to be submitted to staff and chair

1668
02:43:13,410 --> 02:43:21,050
chair for final approval, and last stipulation number 13 lighting, recessed cans at covered

1669
02:43:21,050 --> 02:43:30,570
main upper and lower patios to be either relocated or a cut-off angle modified

1670
02:43:30,570 --> 02:43:35,770
so not to illuminate glass and architectural vertical surfaces subject to

1671
02:43:35,770 --> 02:43:37,410
approval of staff and chair.

1672
02:43:41,540 --> 02:43:43,960
I mean comments are second to second.

1673
02:43:47,480 --> 02:43:53,140
Bill Naseek is second. Thank you. Thank you.

1674
02:43:54,700 --> 02:43:55,200
comments?

1675
02:43:57,660 --> 02:44:03,400
We're hearing none. We'll call for the vote. Good. Okay. All in favor? Aye.

1676
02:44:04,140 --> 02:44:07,220
Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed?

1677
02:44:10,040 --> 02:44:13,980
Congratulations. Motion passes. Now the fun begins. Yes.

1678
02:44:15,520 --> 02:44:22,900
You have quite a task. You've put a lot of effort in this. Appreciate it. And I think it's going to be a great looking project. And congratulations.

1679
02:44:22,900 --> 02:44:26,300
Okay, great. Congratulations.

1680
02:44:27,400 --> 02:44:30,700
Scott, this is Charles. Can I just ask how often

1681
02:44:30,700 --> 02:44:34,380
the bond requirements from the town are updated?

1682
02:44:35,460 --> 02:44:40,220
Good question. I think that's kind of part of

1683
02:44:41,100 --> 02:44:45,520
planning commission address that a couple of years back,

1684
02:44:45,680 --> 02:44:47,880
but I don't think it's a set schedule.

1685
02:44:47,880 --> 02:44:57,260
So the question was how often does the town review the bond schedule of valuations?

1686
02:44:58,180 --> 02:44:58,560
Yes.

1687
02:44:59,200 --> 02:44:59,660
Yes.

1688
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:29,380
I'm not sure how long it's been, but that valuation is based on the cut-and-fill amount, and it's 35 times that amount. I'm not sure how long ago that was revisited or if it's been updated in the last couple years. The last code update was 2018. I don't think that was part of it, but that is something that we can kind of look into. Yeah, because everybody knows all these costs keep rising.

1689
02:45:29,380 --> 02:45:41,480
So yeah, I think it needs to be nice. I think there's probably in the nice to keep pace with it. Yeah, indeed. And also there's some hillside code issues that probably should be addressed in a couple of years too.

1690
02:45:41,680 --> 02:45:43,400
So we'll keep on that.

1691
02:45:43,960 --> 02:45:46,020
Staff, any reports for us where we go?

1692
02:45:46,700 --> 02:45:48,320
We don't have any committee reports.

1693
02:45:48,760 --> 02:45:52,800
We have next meeting dates called out tentatively. Well, we'll firm up.

1694
02:45:53,320 --> 02:46:09,500
Yeah, question. Wasn't there an email about the matter that we said we would talk about? Yeah, we'll do that after that. Yeah, we'll do it as not part of the meeting. And then we have meeting dates Wednesday November 8th at 8 a.m.

1695
02:46:09,500 --> 02:46:16,160
one, tentatively Wednesday, December 13th at 8 a.m. looks good for me.

1696
02:46:16,400 --> 02:46:20,560
November 8th could be a challenge for me because I'm out of the country. I'm supposed

1697
02:46:20,560 --> 02:46:30,240
to be back on the 7th, but we like having here, but we'll come and be remote. So I'm just

1698
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:34,820
putting it out there that if I'm on a plane at that moment, which I don't know if that

1699
02:46:34,820 --> 02:46:41,000
actually could happen, but if I was, I may have to reach out to somebody to help me out.

1700
02:46:41,820 --> 02:46:47,880
Thank you. I think we'll just be able to move forward. December 13th is my birthday, so

1701
02:46:47,880 --> 02:46:50,340
cupcakes are required.

1702
02:46:52,680 --> 02:46:58,000
I wish. All right, well thank you everyone for your participation today.

1703
02:46:58,200 --> 02:47:03,920
Thanks for those members of the community that came out for the meeting and I would move to a

1704
02:47:03,920 --> 02:47:07,020
adjourned. Second, all in favor, aye.

1705
02:47:08,380 --> 02:47:10,300
Thank you, and everyone. Have a great day.

1706
02:47:11,040 --> 02:47:11,420
Thank you.

1707
02:47:12,360 --> 02:47:12,880
Thanks.

1708
02:47:13,220 --> 02:47:13,340
Bye.