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[0:17] Okay.
[0:18] We're going to open up the public hearing tonight. Automotive restoration and Moore.
[0:27] Is proposing a three 200 square foot, 40 by 80 Pre-engineered steel steel building. Um, the public hearing. Could you just give a little overview of what you're doing and the purpose of this? Uh, right.
[0:44] Now we're trying to get a building in for cold storage to use, and then later on move our business down there, obviously from West Paris to now, but.
[0:58] And we'll be running out of there eventually, obviously.
[1:07] Hi there. Sorry.
[1:10] Better late than never.
[1:18] Today.
[1:20] Thank you.
[1:21] You can switch over. You be whoever you want to be. Yes. We're going to have to. That's what we do. The combination of arms. It's after this. Yeah. After the elevator.
[1:37] Um, so, any questions from the public?
[1:40] Um.
[1:41] I think my my only concern with an automotive shop moving in next door is, uh, just, uh, drainage as far as where, uh, you know, runoff is going. I know like cars when they say they tend to leak oil, they tend to leak whatever else. Um, my, my biggest concern being a nearby neighbor and being as I mean, most of our ground is just gravel over there, um, could very easily get into the, uh, local water at least. But my, my biggest concern is just water runoff mainly.
[2:22] You want to give them an answer to that.
[2:24] I guess. Are you up and back up? Yeah, I'm I'm, I'm in a little bit safer of a location. I know, uh, I mean, you've got the neighbor right next to you with the chickens, and then you've got people just across the road from you down to you. Um, yeah, I know right now we've, since we've been there, we've obviously made the runoff a lot better or the ground a lot better just by doing what we've done, probably as far as how water is going to shed. Um, We've we've had police in West Paris now for 12 years, and we've tried to take all precautions of. If stuff comes in and it's leaking, it goes inside and gets drained and mats go underneath it. I'm sure most body shops. Try not to have something inside. Um, one more question. Are you guys going to have pavement there or is it eventually? Eventually. Yeah. Okay. So that'll that'll help at least a little bit. Correct. I mean, being more to we do, we do a bunch of graphics. A lot of people look at us that we only do automotive stuff. We do a lot of graphics graphics. We wrap all the sea and ground trucks all the way. We have Saint Johnsbury, Vermont, all the way to Lancaster. I mean, we do all the electric vehicles you see around with bright and shiny wraps. We do we do.
[3:45] Interior.
[3:45] Wallpaper. We have interior wallpaper all through Airbnb's, up through Saudi Arabia, down through here. Graphics look on the wall. So that's I mean, we do more of that right now in the last week almost. We have done body work, but we do a lot of classic car builds and we've done stuff all over the main. The main one and all we've done busses for Oxford County, they're the said 17. Actually, one of them back here worked for me. Now he went to school down there. So we're trying to give back to the community as best we can to. We're all from the area. We've all could. All these guys could work at big dealerships downtown Lewiston, Auburn. They can work at big high end stuff or Moody's. But we all have been there. I've worked at I worked at Lee for seven years. I lived in Lewiston, Auburn. I traveled from up here, down there, and I wanted to go on my own. And out here, I got all these guys that have believed in me. I've worked my way up from literally a carport tent, so it feels nice to be able to be in front of the board and ask for something. And we would like a nice facility that takes care of all the needs. So we do try to stay very clean and clean. We don't do mechanical air. We don't do oil changes. We don't do engines, transmissions. The only time that there's going to be anything leaking is going to be literally no different than if your own car is leaking in your own driveway. Because, you know, I'd say like, yeah, one out of 20 old used cars that comes in might drip something. And we try to do our best to keep clean, but we can't have oil or contaminant inside of the shop because that would cause contamination for paintwork anyways. So it's a cleaner side of automotive than like if you imagine people going in and getting a bunch of, you know, grease work done, that's not really necessarily what we do over there. So good.
[5:42] To know. Thank you. Absolutely.
[5:44] Thank you. Guys ever have interest in coming down and checking out our shop now? Yeah.
[5:49] So follow up with that. Um, could you maybe you could talk to them about how you handle your solvents?
[5:55] Yep.
[5:56] Yep. Uh, we.
[5:57] Have them disposed right now. We all collect. We collect them in gowns, and we store them in a fireproof thing or anything that's on the floors, on fire proof cabinets. And then we have a mixing bank that keeps, I'd say, 95% of our sprayable product in as fire suppression inside it. And then everything sprayed in or painted off that has fire suppression. And so which has to be they were just in last week and they retagged it every six months there and change all the sensors and the bottles have to be changed every so often, obviously. Mhm. And then we have fire extinguishers across the shop. We'll also have like a state of the art paint booth. So it'll, it'll literally be like the best paint booth that you can buy. So it's not admitting stuff in the air and all that good stuff. So.
[6:48] Thanks a lot. Congratulations so far. We appreciate it.
[6:52] How long have you lived there?
[6:54] This would be our. We're going on three years now. Um, we recently purchased it. It was all frozen, broken, so we had to fix all that up. But we're in. We're in a pretty good shape now.
[7:08] Have you experienced anything, anything at issue with the development next door to there?
[7:14] No. It's actually been pretty quiet. Um, do you guys know what that development is? Uh, a massive truck washing shop. A truck repair facility for big rigs, which. It's been pretty quiet. Yeah. What exactly did.
[7:29] They come down from? Andover?
[7:31] Yeah. Yes. Mhm. I was looking at the building and I'm like, this is it is so bizarrely built. It will be only half, though. I mean, it won't be as big as that, obviously. Like it's not storage. It's not. He just, he, uh, he used to own a mulch company and now he pretty much just hauls stuff for different companies. So.
[7:55] Super nice guy. Thanks Tim Morris. Super, super nice guy.
[8:00] Yeah, really nice guy.
[8:03] Okay.
[8:08] Any more questions? S2:
[8:12] Thank you.
[8:16] And if you want, you could head out or you could stay. We're just going to go through our regular.
[8:22] Regular meeting. That's all I.
[8:24] Need. Thank you for coming.
[8:26] Yes.
[8:26] Thank you.
[8:27] Thank you, thank you. Yeah. Thank you guys. You guys do a lot of work and we try you out sometimes. Yeah. You got a 1964 Rambler. Oh, cool. Yeah. You bring it down. Just check it out.
[8:40] Yeah. What's up? Matt's out. You're just lucky. Yeah, It's.
[8:49] Up in the wood. No, no, I said it's Matt. People don't want to see Matt.
[8:56] Okay. What were you going to be bringing us? Any more information?
[9:01] Um, we brought.
[9:02] An engineered sheet for the concrete, but I think a couple tiny changes might be made still, but nothing huge. That's pretty much.
[9:11] What would you change with these?
[9:18] Engineered rebar plans. Oh, yes. Right. Yeah.
[9:24] Hey, I'm going to start that planning board meeting. Um determine if we have a quorum. We have a quorum. I'd like to, um, elevate Laurie to a voting member for tonight. Tonight.
[9:40] I'll second that motion.
[9:43] Okay.
[9:51] All in favor? S2:
[9:55] The pledge.
[9:58] Allegiance to the flag of the United States of.
[10:01] America and to the.
[10:03] Republic.
[10:04] For which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
[10:18] Cheers. Correspondence. I do not have any approval of the minutes from September 9th.
[10:28] Is everybody had a chance to look at them yet?
[10:31] Um.
[10:32] The only issue I had.
[10:33] Was if somebody.
[10:34] Wanted to write. Uh.
[10:36] It's already corrected over here on this one. Yeah. The one that you're going to be signing is perfect.
[10:41] As long as it's aligned to sign, I'm happy.
[10:45] I looked in both. Yeah. Mr. Haber, let me know.
[10:52] Copy and paste. Works great most of the time.
[10:57] Copy and paste? Mhm.
[11:01] I guess about the minutes. The only thing I got to say, they're not totally accurate from what I read here, because I mentioned that I want to see the engineered.
[11:19] Foreign. And not even in the minute.
[11:26] None of it's in a minute.
[11:31] Please be remembered for you. Right.
[11:34] You brought them in. That's all that matters to me.
[11:42] You want to make a motion to amend it? S4:
[11:45] This way. We got them on file. Okay.
[11:51] Do you want to.
[11:51] Make.
[11:51] A motion to amend.
[11:53] Them? Yeah. I'll make the motion to amend the minutes of September 9th to include the line where I requested to have the engineer present for the building brought in.
[12:10] Yeah. Listen, people.
[12:12] I was second again.
[12:14] Yes.
[12:24] With that done, I'll make a motion. We accept the minutes with the September 9th. With the corrections.
[12:35] Second.
[12:37] All those in favor?
[12:43] After. Uh, I would recommend you sign where Henry Raymond his name and then scratch his name out and put your name afterwards. Lord.
[12:53] All right.
[12:58] Any questions? S4:
[12:58] Okay.
[13:00] There's just signing the. Yeah.
[13:03] Gotcha.
[13:04] Do you want us to initial your correction?
[13:05] Would that make you.
[13:07] It's not in there.
[13:09] Corrections?
[13:12] Yeah.
[13:13] Perfect. Excellent.
[13:19] Okay. Never mind. I must be tired.
[13:39] I'll put my name because you won't be able to decipher my scribble.
[13:46] Here we are. Okay.
[13:59] Okay. Unfinished business. Site plan review for automotive restoration, and more.
[14:15] You know, where we're standing now is where we left off at the last meeting is the.
[14:22] Fire marshal's.
[14:25] Approval. Yeah, but that can be something that's still pending even if it's approved. Yeah.
[14:32] Yeah. So we're, uh, we're waiting on the, um, Person to do the life safety plan. So we have two people that are hopeful. Hopefully one or the other is going to work on it. One can't do it until November. The other one hopefully will be able to do it the 1st of October. So kind of just in limbo to figure out which one will do it sooner.
[14:58] Okay. In the future, you said you're going to be adding a 20 by 80. Yeah.
[15:07] So are they going to be within the next year or two? S6:
[15:23] You come back to the board.
[15:25] And the, uh, the, the safety or the life safety plan is all going to be designed for the actual building with the addition.
[15:38] And I didn't get a chance to attend. The sidewalk was everything.
[15:44] I don't think they answered all our questions. I don't think there was anything left open other than just the fire marshal on the phone. I don't know.
[15:55] So yeah.
[15:56] I.
[16:01] I guess I motion that we accept the their site plan for the 40 by 80 as presented to us with the stipulation that their building permit isn't given until they have a approval from the fire marshal.
[16:19] Yeah.
[16:21] Yeah.
[16:21] I don't think we're allowed to have a building permit until the fire marshal signs. Correct. Right. Just.
[16:27] Yeah. Save us too.
[16:28] Right.
[16:29] Do we have a second?
[16:31] I'll second that motion.
[16:33] All in favor?
[16:37] Okay.
[16:38] Can I get.
[16:41] Your subject design.
[16:43] Uh, Justin Barry is working on the design right now.
[16:47] Okay.
[16:48] Um, and I just spoke with him this morning, actually, and he said he'd be done with that. I think he was going to be there tomorrow, uh, taking some measurements. And he was hoping.
[16:59] That you had down below. Yeah. That's where your septic system is going. Yeah. And your leach field.
[17:04] Yeah. Along that rock wall.
[17:05] Right along that rock wall.
[17:07] Yeah.
[17:08] You have it correct.
[17:09] Yeah. Just below, just below along.
[17:12] You're going to have a barrier put up so that people won't drive across the field. Oh.
[17:16] So it's all it's all concrete tanks. So yeah.
[17:20] Yeah. You're using concrete chambers.
[17:22] Yeah. He, I think he drew it up for a concrete chambers down there.
[17:27] So interestingly, you would expect those to be a lot more expensive, but they're not.
[17:31] Oh no. Like for 50ft. It's not bad.
[17:33] Yeah.
[17:35] But when you're buying eight of them for 50 at that point.
[17:39] Compared to other styles, it's really.
[17:42] Not that that.
[17:43] Far.
[17:43] Off.
[17:45] I did one a couple years ago with infiltrators, and I want to say it was like eight grand worth of infiltrators and two and whole nine yards.
[17:54] So yeah.
[17:56] It's expensive.
[17:58] And these are nice because you can drive on them. You never have to worry about it.
[18:01] Yeah, exactly.
[18:02] And that's going to be suitable for the additional building that you're coming back.
[18:06] That's what it's all drawn for.
[18:07] That's what it's going to be drawn up for the one. The 40 by 80 is not going to have the bathroom in it and all that stuff. That's just.
[18:14] That's.
[18:15] Just pretty much an empty building.
[18:18] Gotcha.
[18:19] The, uh, the bathroom will be in the addition on the very, very end of it.
[18:26] All right. Okay. You are all approved. Thank you, thank you already.
[18:31] You wrote and you were gone.
[18:33] You missed it.
[18:37] Well, congratulations.
[18:39] I appreciate.
[18:39] It.
[18:40] You gotta go back uphill. It's actually kind of interesting because I had to. Round and round with the fire. Kyle. The fire marshal's office.
[18:49] Yeah.
[18:51] These guys are interested in getting this lab in so that they at. You know, whenever. Yeah. Fire marshal's office gets going that they can just continue on. And he was very clear. No, you don't need a permit to go ahead and put in a slab.
[19:07] That's what he said to me. He goes, I don't need to give you any permit. You don't need one. And I'm like.
[19:12] Sweet.
[19:14] Tea's here. Knock some ice. So.
[19:19] We can have you call him or him call.
[19:23] You want to do? S4:
[19:28] That's not what I meant. but out of my mind.
[19:32] We're all set. Do all the plumbing and all that stuff. Put the concrete in and then.
[19:36] Cap it all off.
[19:38] Permit. Permit. Yeah.
[19:40] So field fields, plumbing and heating will be the ones doing the plumbing side of it. So I assume he'll pull all the permits.
[19:46] I hope.
[19:46] So.
[19:46] Yeah. So I'm going to leave all that side of it alone and let them deal with that.
[19:51] Yeah.
[19:53] Cool. I'll see you tomorrow.
[19:55] I'll call your doctor right now. You're going to be running the power conduits up there.
[20:01] Um, we're all that stuff will be all hired out. Um, Flanders is going to do the electric. We rent from him now, so it works out well. And then.
[20:12] He met the other day and he was okay to put in a pole, so he's already got approved.
[20:16] For that. He marked out a state where it.
[20:18] Will.
[20:19] Go.
[20:19] So did you submit an 1190?
[20:22] He did.
[20:22] Flanders did. Oh Flanders did.
[20:24] Yeah.
[20:26] Um I.
[20:27] Yeah. So we've got a lot of people on our side, I think.
[20:29] All right. Great. You got the town on your side now.
[20:32] We appreciate you guys very much.
[20:34] When I talked to Kyle, he said that as soon as he gets a life safety plan, he'll literally write us a permit the same day. So we should be looking pretty good there.
[20:46] Good.
[20:47] I'm gonna put out a new promotional material by mail to residents to announce your opening.
[20:52] Yeah, we probably will because we we make that stuff anyway, so we probably should.
[20:57] Why don't you send us.
[21:00] Why don't you send us a copy? S6:
[21:01] For our records.
[21:02] Absolutely. Well, thank you guys very much. We appreciate.
[21:06] It. Thank you.
[21:06] Thank you. Thank you for you and your entourage.
[21:10] Thank you very much.
[21:11] Have a good.
[21:12] Evening.
[21:20] Okay. Unfinished business. Consideration and discussion. For updates to the Site Plan Review ordinance.
[21:31] Did everybody read.
[21:31] It?
[21:32] I. That'd be better. Make a motion to remove the.
[21:41] From the table. The Site Plan Review ordinance.
[21:49] That we tabled on September 9th.
[21:51] Second.
[21:57] What are we.
[21:59] Just now back on?
[22:00] Back on the table.
[22:02] It's open for discussion and work.
[22:05] So process wise, are we going to go in order for articles.
[22:11] Well, so there's a bit of.
[22:13] A we vote on it first. I think we had a motion and a second. All in favor. Okay.
[22:21] So there's a bit of a background on this.
[22:25] This was originally submitted by the town to Legal Counsel to have it reviewed to make sure that it was defensible. And then we brought it back and we tweaked it a little bit.
[22:40] Or something. I don't remember exactly the order that we did it in, but, um, we got it put together with some, I don't think they were major changes. And we submitted it to the select board and the select board because they hadn't taken the time to read it. Um, chose not to send it on to the town meeting this last year. And basically the document that's in front of you is the same one that they chose not to send on.
[23:18] I honestly don't know what to tell you. We send it back to the select board and they again decide they don't want to do anything with it. I don't know what to do.
[23:29] And our next town meeting is November.
[23:33] I'll be in June.
[23:34] June? June, right?
[23:35] Yeah. We have one a year. Um, it has been brought to my attention that. And I was asked to bring this to your attention, that we might have a discussion about it tonight. Um, the other packet that's in front of you in regards to data. Um data centers. There's a lot of material here.
[24:05] And you're welcome to do whatever and however much research of your own. Some of it is, uh, spelled out. There are.
[24:20] If anybody's interested, some of the sections that were printed off in this.
[24:28] Had links like your last page, everything from one through four in that last paragraph, um, had links associated with it. I can forward you the original data so that you can use it on a computer and chase those links yourself. Or you can just type in all that.
[24:52] Um.
[24:53] Did you assemble this?
[24:55] I put this together today, um, to boil it down, there are and the front page is really the, the boiled down version of what the whole.
[25:10] Package would be.
[25:11] Yeah. Those are the key issues to a data center. Um, there's very high electric demand. There's a very high water consumption. There's potential noise, environmental impacts. Backup generators. Uh, the economic development oftentimes is a point of dismay or has been for some communities, because everybody sees these great big buildings coming in and they think, oh, look at all the jobs. And there are a lot of jobs in the construction of the buildings, but it dwindles greatly after that. Um, I don't remember whether that got in or not.
[25:56] On the last page. About 150 jobs. Yeah. An anticipated 500 or something like that.
[26:03] Well, it depends on the size of the installation. Um right now there's only three in the state of Maine.
[26:13] Um port and Jay.
[26:17] Is that right? S4:
[26:18] Jay. I thought Jay put a hold on this.
[26:23] Not that I'm aware of when I did the research.
[26:28] What? He's going to AI it and figure it out for us. He's going to use one of the data centers to determine how many there are.
[26:35] Hopefully not one of the ones that's going rogue.
[26:38] Or the ones that are going to cut us off.
[26:40] All right. We'll get their resources first.
[26:43] I know us.
[26:46] Humans be damned.
[26:47] What's the name of the air base that used to be up north?
[26:51] Limestone.
[26:53] Uh, one of those sounded right, and one of them didn't. Loring Air Force Base, um, has a has a proposed immersion cooled data center project slated for for them. J. Uh.
[27:14] The old paper mill, a planned large scale 82 megawatt data center has been proposed there. And First Light, which is operating out of the old Bea NAS Brunswick Naval Air Station, is operating a center there now. Um, and depending on the size of the installation, it uses a lot of water, which is part of our concern here because one, we've got the river and two, we've got the aquifer. Now, I mean, the river is what it is. And to a certain extent it cleans itself somewhat provided it doesn't get dumped into um, but the aquifer, that's important for a lot of folks down downstream, so to speak. Yeah.
[28:25] Um, and a lot of these places, as I understand it, and I haven't done the exhaustive research yet, produce a S4:
[28:31] Mhm.
[28:32] Um, so I need to look into that further in order to better understand. Um.
[28:42] And yes, there may be a large, like if you had a $300 million project come into town, you're looking at $4 million in taxes. Everybody goes, whew. Well, and that's not wrong. You know, that's great. But, um, the flip side of that is you may have to provide fire suppression of an entirely different nature than what you're accustomed to. So there's going to be cost there. Your public utility district may have to deal with different chemicals and elements as part of the water processing, if that's how that where that lands. So there's a lot of different moving parts and pieces. And, uh.
[29:30] I'll add another.
[29:31] Sure.
[29:33] Um, I was pretty involved in, um, making it not profitable for Poland Spring Water International to come into the port area when I was down there. And, uh, the aquifer was very fragile, uh, for many reasons. There were. So I really understand the downside of a lot of these issues. Um, you know, the jobs, supposed jobs really weren't, didn't materialize because they shipped all the bottles to be processed down in Framingham, Massachusetts. So, you know, part of the process doesn't actually happen there. Um, I mean, this is water. This was years ago, but, um, there is another big issue. And that is if you're dealing with a multinational or company, you're not allowed to interfere with their profit margin. So, for example, when there was a water shortage in Atlanta, Coca-Cola, the residents at an old people's home nearby, they couldn't get water because it interfered with the ability of the cola company. The company at the time to extract the water first and for other reasons, there could be a, you know, a lot of lawyers involved in a sort of supremacy situation where their needs would, um, uh, be superior over the townspeople's. I don't know how defendable that is. Uh, if we did come into a situation, um, I experienced a drought last year in Rome, which as I moved from Rome to Paris and, uh, four months of drought with my wells. And, uh, we don't know, this is just another reason, But just to let you know, I just think that the the.
[31:17] For so many reasons that I just would be honest. Definitely. And my daughter is an expert on AI in Seattle. She's one of the people that goes and talks about it to the different boards. And so I hear a lot about it from her. Um, but it just doesn't sound like something we want in our neighborhood for many reasons. And I'd be happy to help look into that more for the town.
[31:39] So the impetus behind bringing this to you tonight isn't so that we can write something and put it in the site plan review. This is a request that you become familiar with, um, the aspects good and bad, because I don't think it's fair to automatically just go, no, no, no, maybe that's our final outcome, but we need to pay attention to it and review it and give it, Uh, a reasonable review before we before we pass something. I expect, uh, that there may be a moratorium placed on these by the select board at some point, whether that's Monday night or whether that's in two weeks, whatever they choose to do. But it's something that I think behooves the town paying attention to because of the possible, uh, attractiveness of our area due to the water that we got running through. Um, so obviously not something that you guys, there's a lot here to unpack. As I said before, anybody that wants the actual, uh.
[33:03] Well, the actual, uh, documents that I pulled offline that do have links buried in them. I'd be happy to forward them to you to facilitate ease of, uh, review. Um, just reach out, let me know, and I'll shoot them back to you. Um.
[33:25] But I think that we need to decide on that before we move further with sending off the site plan and then going back to the site plan, I don't know if everybody's comfortable with just giving it a nod because we've already sent it to the select board, or do we want to go through a new review of it or.
[33:49] I, I, I have some particular issues with it. I mean, I'm not ready to like say, oh yeah, this issue I would never pass. But there's some things that like I'd want to talk about or discuss and, and it's going to take some time. I mean, there's a lot of time here.
[34:08] I think everybody's read this yet, right? S8:
[34:18] Is there a time limit on how we have to process it? S3:
[34:19] Well, it's got the.
[34:24] Make that the.
[34:26] Oh, you mean.
[34:28] The town meeting is the drop dead? You have to have it ready in advance of the town meeting so that it can go into the warrants. Well, then, um and obviously based on this last year's performance, you have to give the Selectboard enough time to adapt to read it and digest it before that. So I would say that.
[34:50] If we could.
[34:53] If we could get this reviewed, hammered out and, uh, a working document, because if we alter this too much, it's got to go back through legal because you've got to be able to defend it. And there's no point in passing something that isn't defendable. Um, if we could get this to a point where we're relatively comfortable with it by, um.
[35:22] January, yeah, January, mid-February, probably at the latest.
[35:27] Yeah.
[35:28] Um, because.
[35:29] There was also talk about a special town meeting because there's other things that need to be.
[35:36] Yeah.
[35:36] I'm not sure where that is. Yeah. Um, I mean, the comprehensive plan needs to be done. That's got to be. So let's.
[35:43] Let's shift to that for a minute. The comprehensive plan that, like I mentioned at the last meeting, um, the town that I'm working on working on a comprehensive plan with right now is leaning on Acog to assist them with the process of, of getting this out. My understanding from that process. Is that, uh. Erica.
[36:11] Erica. Oh. Before I slaughter her name too badly, um, has been very helpful. She has a number of these under her belt. Um.
[36:26] Uh, Erica Buffkins. Yep. BUFKINS she's with, um, and basically the first point of order is to, she reviews what we have and then she throws it back at us and say, okay, I want you to compile a list of questions for your constituents so that they have input into where the town's going and insight into how it's going to get there, which makes perfect sense to me. If you don't have buy in from the people, how do you expect anything to fly? Um, but I think that there, I think that going through Acog makes sense. There isn't a lot of money to be spent. There is some, but there's not a lot of money to be spent in doing it that way. And, uh, none of us are comprehensive plan experts. So, I mean, you may have worked.
[37:22] On that experience, but yeah, but I mean, yeah, different ways of going through these processes. But I mean, everything is specific to the situation. Is that the Androscoggin.
[37:35] Androscoggin Valley of Governance. Council of governors. Of governance.
[37:44] Council.
[37:45] Council. Androscoggin Valley Council of governors.
[37:49] Right.
[37:51] Yeah.
[37:52] Okay.
[37:53] I always use Acog.
[37:57] And that's. Well, our current one is 105 pages long, Something like that. And if you read, if you have taken the time to read down through it, it's basically a regurgitation of exactly what the state wants you to do. Mhm. Which, yeah, I, I mean, the state has to approve like this. What's that? That. Just like this. Well, yeah, just to some extent. Yes. I mean, we can go more strict than what the state wants, but theoretically we can't go less. Right. Um, which that's fine. It's just, I mean, if there's a new one, do we have the Adu in it? Yeah. That's of a concern. Yeah. And then what is it now? The state says that you can build a 400 square foot home. Oh, they dropped the standards even below one below 400 pounds.
[39:05] For tiny homes. Homes are a lot less square footage now. I have not looked it up because Paris has a standard of 400ft². Yeah, that's. I have heard that the states dropped it as low as 190ft². I think that's the number that Natalie threw out. I can't picture Paris going that direction. But what was the result of the Adu in Norway? That was a problem. I think he's still. Is it still in limbo? Uh, I don't know where he went with that, but I know when you're talking about his feeling was that because he was building an Adu and the town didn't have a definition for the Adu, that he could build up the minimum square footage of the state. Who is It doesn't matter. A citizen in Norway. Yeah, and it was in limbo. I don't know where it ever ended up. I haven't even caught wind of that, to be honest with you. Yeah. There was a public hearing for it and it was going to be where his garage was existing. Yeah, I believe it was an apartment building. Yeah. And he was going to have an apartment above his garage.
[40:19] Or he was turning his.
[40:20] Garage garage into an apartment so he can maintain it be do maintenance on these kids rental properties a lot easier so you can move it. I'll look into it and see what happens. Went to the appeals board. I don't know where from there. Yeah.
[40:38] But he brought up some good points the other Monday night with the solid waste. He was there.
[40:48] So are we going to review this or do we want to? I don't think we're.
[40:52] Going to review it tonight obviously. But I think that we could make a decision on how we're going to review reveal it. I mean, it needs to be revealed. That's my plan. What? What do you find in there? Right off? Like, I mean, I don't I don't have all of them on the top of my head. I think I mentioned a couple. There was one that was, um, all lighting must be of the highest possible efficiency. That's not gonna fly. I mean, that's legal. Might say that it can say that, but that's not uh. Yeah. That's right. I don't want to tell me what I can have the lighting.
[41:30] Well.
[41:31] And there's, there's, there's some truth to having lighting in there, but it can't be the most efficient. That doesn't mean it's practical or I mean it most efficient exist in the laboratory doesn't exist on the sidewalk.
[41:46] So I propose that if um, there are nine articles. Is that right? AM I right in saying that, um that second page, there is another article enforcement, correct. Because if there's nine and we have four months. Well, November, December actually three months, so three months. So if we covered, I was just saying, how would we get through till mid-February? We probably would by doing one article that we cover each meeting.
[42:25] That's two to a month. Right.
[42:27] And then we've got definitions to write.
[42:30] We'd have to maybe add in those.
[42:32] So that's another whole.
[42:34] So section two a month and there's nine. So four months is eight. So we have to go faster than that.
[42:42] As.
[42:42] A suggestion. And I don't know how quick you guys are as far as getting through this stuff. I wonder if it would be worthwhile reading through with a blotter beside you and just jotting down concerns, thoughts, ideas as you go. And then bringing them all back and then breaking it out however you chose to. And this is your board. You look at it how you choose. I'm just trying to offer suggestions.
[43:09] Might be sometimes. Sometimes it's nice to be able to go back and review something you've already looked at with further information and input from other members of the board. So I wouldn't want to just I mean, I'm not suggesting we I'm not trying to suggest that we just do one and done, you know, and then on to the next, but just more, more like what you're saying, you know, read it, find the areas of concern question and bring them up.
[43:37] Who's going to scribe and make changes to the document as we go through it?
[43:47] I mean, I, I've got this document, there's notes in here from the lawyer says you should add this. So you should define this. And nothing's been done with the documents. So who who's going to do that. That's a good question. Is that us or do we have a secretary or how does.
[44:07] Well Secretariat right there.
[44:10] I've done that.
[44:10] I've done that. I look at you and you look for somebody else. Oh, dear. Yeah. Uh, I guess that will have to be, uh, ironed out. I don't know if that'll be me. I don't know if that'll be I don't know. That will probably go to the town manager for definition.
[44:30] Okay. Because we definitely need, need that.
[44:34] Yeah. So I, I understand where you're coming from.
[44:38] I mean, I, I went through the, the whole document and I made notes on what I think needs to be addressed. And I mean, I don't know, just for example, it's only on like the Section two. Two.
[44:55] Section two. Three. Administration.
[45:00] Number. E. All. Site plan. Approval shall expire two years after the date of approval. Unless there is substantial construction achieved. And the comment is define substantial completion. That's from the attorney. That's from the attorney.
[45:17] Yeah.
[45:17] So what is that? Who's going to define it. Is it 80% of the building is complete. You know so those are just examples of things in the document that need to be need to be fixed.
[45:31] Yeah I would agree because we had that discussion on what we considered. Yeah. The project complete and acceptable is 80%. Well what do you consider 80%? You got seven lots and you only got two. Well, that's that's subdivision, which kind of has its own standards independent of the site plan. Yeah. So a bank would tell you if you got a mortgage to build a home. That is not done until the last piece of trim zone. Right. Which is why people used to take the trim off and leave it in the corner and wait.
[46:10] With the roof off. In some.
[46:11] Cases. Right. So they could wait to start paying on their, on their loan. So I mean, there's definitely some construction loan, right? There's some place that has some definition we can look at on what is substantially complete. And I also have, uh, the assessor's, uh, breakout. If you were talking about a building, let's say somebody wanted to put in an apartment house, right? Yeah. And you could apply this per standard. Like if you've got the foundation, there's 10% if you've got, uh, Framing. There's another 10%.
[46:51] I'd like for you to go.
[46:51] By. Yeah. And it brings it all down to a complete construction of a building by a percentage number, so that she can look at it on April 1st, theoretically, and say this place is 75% done because this, this, this and this are not finished yet. And that takes away from the 100% totality.
[47:16] So, um, can we get a copy of that? S2:
[47:17] Yeah, I can email that out to you.
[47:19] That's the way to answer your issue about that substantial.
[47:22] And then we can put it into definitions.
[47:24] Yeah.
[47:26] As seen in the most recent of whatever that is.
[47:31] So each time we go into this, are we going to just pick out certain things and then discuss them.
[47:43] Or are we going to try for chronological approach? S2:
[47:44] I think we should go chronological.
[47:46] Yeah, right down through. Yeah.
[47:49] And I like your suggestion about doing some sections, but I also know that we're going to come to a day where we're not going to have everybody here, or we're gonna have a stalemate on. We're waiting for something.
[48:01] Not only that, but you've also got the school coming. Mhm. And that's going to take time because.
[48:09] So then we can't necessarily say, okay, everybody make sure you get all your notes for this particular chapter ahead of time. Um, maybe we just say, okay, how about like divide it into four, four quadrants? Um, and we, you know, within which of those nine articles we, we address whatever ones we feel are the most suitable for that evening. Um, so we're, we're at least prepared to go on that quadrant of, of, of area.
[48:41] The number of pages divided by four.
[48:45] Somewhat like.
[48:45] Something like that.
[48:46] Yeah.
[48:47] Unfortunately they're out page number, but.
[48:49] Right.
[48:50] Yeah. Probably. Number. Article.
[48:52] Article.
[48:53] Article. Article. I'm suggesting there's nine articles and definitions. So we count that as ten. Right. And then divide that by half five. And then again two and a half. Two and a half would be two and a half articles would be a quadrant. So maybe to say be familiar with three quadrants, three at each time for that section of time that we need to look at. And we just need to define the time period. Uh, just, just an idea, you guys.
[49:21] We can we also have the flexibility of adding a meeting if that's needed to.
[49:26] A workshop.
[49:30] So what do you think?
[49:31] What do we do? Postpone this now. Table it again.
[49:38] Like the first three articles.
[49:40] Three articles.
[49:40] Next time we meet on. I don't have a calendar behind us.
[49:45] So yeah, so, so like, what do you say, you know, with the, with the understanding that for a period of time, going through the first three and within that we can address it chronologically or, or move around, we need to, based on what you're saying, if there's a need to.
[50:02] Well, I do know of the October 14th is the first blush with the school.
[50:10] So that's when.
[50:12] We'll have the attorney present or zoomed in for that. Um.
[50:21] Yeah, that's going to be very fun and interesting. Well, they actually had a meeting.
[50:33] One day Monday at two at the admin building that they, I, they sent out certified letters all over the place, but I haven't seen much else announcing it. And.
[50:51] I know I didn't manage to make it because I had other demands of me. Um.
[51:00] So I don't even know how it went, but I.
[51:03] Think that I motion that we absorbed the first three articles enough for comment between ourselves for October 14th, and we can always defer that later.
[51:18] Right.
[51:19] So that was my motion motion that we have the three articles absorbed first three.
[51:24] By October 14th.
[51:26] Oh, second.
[51:26] That I already did. That's okay. We can turn it.
[51:31] All those in favor?
[51:32] Oh, I got four.
[51:34] Okay, okay. Good idea.
[51:38] It was your idea.
[51:38] I just summed it up.
[51:41] Any new.
[51:42] Business? Moving along. I like that.
[51:44] Um, yeah.
[51:48] So I stopped by the Taco Bell today because they're doing plumbing in the ground just to. And, uh, when I got done there, I was going to go out the back side of the mall to head back to the office. And I had all kinds of trucks out in front of the old Save-A-Lot. I said, hmm. So I poked my head in the building, and the owner of the mall is having demo done inside, and he's tearing out walls and opening up a lot of space. And I, we had a very pleasant conversation. He came over and pulled a demo permit, a late one which I mean 40 bucks. Um. and we do have an entity which is interested in moving in, and they assured me that they were lining their ducks up, hopefully to be at the next planning board meeting. So that 14th is going to be a busy meeting.
[52:59] Okay. Shall we bring.
[53:02] Lunch? And this is and this is for, um, still for retail. It's still going to be used for retail. Yes. Expanded space.
[53:10] Yes. But it's not going to be it's going to be a change of use because it was grocery. It was batting cages. It was um like food market. Yeah. Flea market. Uh, that's not unfair. Uh, and it's going to be going to a different style of, of retail. So.
[53:30] Um, is it going to have pop ups or anything like that?
[53:32] It's going to have.
[53:33] What pop ups. You know, the like tents. No, no, no, the pop up stores.
[53:40] No, it's going to be one. It's one. It's a large retailer.
[53:43] Yeah. It's a large it's.
[53:44] It's one very large store. Okay. And there are others in the state.
[53:50] Uh, can I ask because I just don't know what happened to the Wendy's. I heard there was going to be Wendy's.
[53:57] No, Wendy's where they pulled out because of finances, financial difficulties. And that's where Taco Bell got into, okay, that's where it was going to be built.
[54:09] Okay.
[54:10] Yeah. Wendy's stopped all building in Maine.
[54:13] And then.
[54:15] The eyeglass place is changing.
[54:17] Right?
[54:17] I have heard that, but I haven't I haven't seen people. I haven't gotten any, uh.
[54:26] Anything eyeglasses.
[54:27] Eyeglass in, in the same parking lot.
[54:30] Yeah. All in the same area. They're going to what though? They're going to be a new business. Oh, yeah, I haven't heard. I heard there was another chain or franchise of some kind. No idea. I haven't heard anything. A rumor, probably a rumor. Just.
[54:49] A rumor.
[54:50] They have a sign up saying they're moving.
[54:52] Yeah, I know they're moving. I don't know what it's coming in. I've only heard. I only discovered that today.
[54:57] I saw that yesterday. It takes elaborate driving through.
[55:03] Yeah, well, right now, I don't think you want to be taking your eyes off the road, driving through that. No.
[55:08] Anything else? It's hard enough to get in and out there. It's probably going to involve.
[55:12] I'll make a motion that we adjourn. Second.
[55:16] All those in favor?
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