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To the September 21st, 2023 Park City Council, semi-annual strategic planning retreat. All the council is present today. And we'll go ahead and start with public input if there's someone that would like to make a comment about something that's not on today's agenda. Please come on up and do so.

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Do we have any hands up online?

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somebody watching online.

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Okay, great. Thank you. We'll close the public input portion then and I've been asked by our planning department to remind everyone to come and share your thoughts on affordable housing opportunities and pedestrian bike and transit improvements for developments in Park City.

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Lisa Wise consulting and sub-consultance cascading of partners and fair and peers, we hold

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in a community meeting on September 26 from 5.30 to 7 p.m. for community input on potential

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amendments to land management code. The consultants are exploring opportunities to reduce barriers

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to affordable housing and missing middle development. And to establish criteria for transportation,

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demand management that supports multi-modal transportation. The meeting will be facilitated

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by the consultants remotely and with an in-person attendance option in council chambers.

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For more information, please visit the planning website or email planning at parkcity.org.

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So with that, let's move right into the good morning.

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Let's move right into the strategic objectives prioritization exercise and update.

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We

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did.

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Are you going to?

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Testing.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Matt Dias City Manager.

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I just do a quick introduction here.

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Just move right into it.

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I've been told to keep short and sweet.

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I always appreciate that.

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First, I just want to make sure we think the team that puts this on.

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Unconventional.

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We do this twice a year, not once a year.

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and believe it or not, as you can see,

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looking around the room, it's a significant lift.

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Just immunotechnology and preparation that goes into this

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through staff reports, presentations,

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preserving the room, getting the food, setting this up.

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It's a significant amount of work, and I know we make it look

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really easy, but I'd be remiss if I didn't

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think our technology team and the executive team and all

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the managers and departments that push us together

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for you.

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I like you, they also believe in the productivity of this,

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doing it twice a year, as opposed to once a year.

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As you know, we had a lot of questions about why I twice a year, but it does give us a valuable opportunity to sort of revisit where we are, make sure that there's no drastic changes that you might want to make midstream.

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So thanks to the team.

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I also want to thank.

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You know, on behalf of the management team and the staff, Maxim Beckett, think it'll be your last retreat with us.

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And so gosh, we've done a lot of these in the mayor and I were talking on the way.

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How many of these have we done together?

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So just really, is it realizing that you spent a lot of time in this room with us,

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deliberating, debating, discussing, helping us make decisions, supporting us.

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There were implementation, and we had an management team the other day, and it was really important

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to the folks that we thank you for your support of staff and all of your community service over the years.

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So, one more to go, you're not even close to home yet.

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We've got a full day with one of the make sure we make sure.

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All right.

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So I will do a quick, what I'll call a brag in both section.

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As you know previously, we did a non-scientific, statistically irrelevant survey.

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In the end, I'm using my words intentionally.

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I mean, look at the survey that we did before.

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It's supposed to tease ideas for the same resource

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that are diametrically opposed or competing.

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Part people in town, catch them out of town.

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We want to provide affordable housing.

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It's not the job of the municipality to do something like that.

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So often we get a lot of competing public input,

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competing input from stakeholders and partners.

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And so this survey was actually really helpful

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that we did before to sort of tease out where council

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is help us prioritize and then feed that into the budget process.

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And so, I will just hit on some of the high points from the previous survey that the Mayor and Council said was very...

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And the progress that we've made in some of these areas that I'm going to hit them really hard, really fast.

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So the previous survey, the engine house or homestay public private partnership, kicking off a regional housing authority discussion, the light deed program, we're ranked very high.

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All three of those initiatives, significant progress underway, I can't say enough about the hard work about them on the transportation realm.

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The mayor's convening multiple task forces adopting the long-range transportation master plan

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and peak day traffic mitigation, new routes for winter service plan, implementation of the micro transit pilot program.

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I can't say enough about how hard that team is working in driving your initiatives and the environmental front.

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We obviously have our conventional term as cash for grass, but our landscaping incentive program,

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I'm amending our water rates to continue to propel conservation,

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I'm remeading the soils on the homestakes site,

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our wildfire mitigation program, hedging our natural gas consumption,

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just a myriad of initiatives on that front and a lot more coming,

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all those were ranked very high.

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The DEI social equity front, obviously coming up at the first major contribution

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to a future senior center or affordable housing public private partnership, the one million dollar

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one-time childcare subsidy program, relaunching our social equity committee, continuing to approve

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our municipal or our MI index score, which is a national ranking of municipalities and how they're

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doing on the LGBTQ front. In terms of the resort economy, continuing to power resources into protecting

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our neighborhoods where our primary residents are living. So, a new position in streets and parks

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and police and regulation and enforcement. Those are great words. If you're a resident,

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sometimes you feel like one getting the tickets are getting pulled over or receiving the citation.

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But things like the neighborhood first committee, lowering speed limits, really trying to roll out

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resources to better protect the balance of resort economy with neighborhoods.

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on the recreation front, major contributions to renovating or completely redoing the building

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in city park which hosts our summer camps, major contribution to overhauling the pools of the

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mark, our aquatic facility. Obviously the recreation general obligation on the pickle ball pilot

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program adopting a real trail master plan and more efforts in terms of trail heads in our neighborhoods

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that become desirable for a lot of daytrippers and visitors from the Valley,

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protecting those neighborhood trailheads in a myriad of ways.

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A lot of stuff on the organizational front, so that's sort of external facing,

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but internal facing, continuing to make our organization more efficient and more effective and more accountable.

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So we, you know, we did our health insurance out this year.

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We had almost a half a million dollars in saving.

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It's the first time we'd get out our health insurance and more than a decade.

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We've overhauled our procurement policies, you enable us to hire the first procurement manager

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or individual for the organizations.

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We have a new position now that's overseeing that function.

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So those are the quick hits, and I'm doing it too fast because I'm not doing them at

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fair amount of service for the work and effort, but I hope it demonstrates how hard we're

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going to work for you and work for the community.

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That being said, we don't always get it right, you know, I heard someone in the other day.

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I heard someone say the other day.

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You know, your job isn't always trying to get it right.

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Your job is to work as hard as you can.

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Be as honest as you can.

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Be as effective as you can.

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Be as transparent as you can.

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And your job is also making mistakes.

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You have to make mistakes.

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You have to make them fast.

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You will have to be willing to accept responsibility and move forward.

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So, so that being said, you can't do nearly the amount of work that we've done here

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and the last year without making some mistakes without bumping our toe, everyone's no

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wow without a little slip trip or fall. But our job is to be accountable for those

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try to fix them quickly and be transparent about accepting that responsibility. So hopefully

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we've done that too. I'll wrap it up by saying, although we're going to talk about the new survey

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that we did and comparing contrast it to the previous survey of priorities and strategic

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I want to be a little bit wary to speak on behalf of the team about adding in new policies, new programs, new initiatives, new projects.

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While we can do that, and while we always do that, because we have to propensity to always want more and do the next thing.

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The strategic part of doing the survey now is it feeds into our budgeting process, where initiatives, policies and programs that are new,

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that you determine to prioritize a focus on,

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have to compete for resources that are already in place.

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So, what we're not looking for is a new bandade of a bunch of new initiatives. Of course, we'll consider that. The things that do rank high will be feeding those into the way we did it before with our President for outcomes process.

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So that was quick. A lot of information. Anything on that before we kind of kick it over to the survey.

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So you're saying you know how an 11 month budget process.

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Last year, I think it was nine, technically, from six to ten, and I think nine felt healthy, robust, rigorous, I didn't say the word lock, but hey, I think to be fair, that's what was desired and we did a lot of great work.

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It provided us additional time to analysis and depth and meaningful discussions, and so we're preparing for that again.

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I just want to say thank you to the team. It's nice to see how far we've come. I don't think we've taken a time to realize what we have done and and all the hard work that's gone into it and we sometimes are just always looking forward but we never take the chance to live in the present moment of gratitude to the team and to this council.

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All right. Great. So we'll do a little bit of the jet and match show now. You want to

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check them down there. Why don't I come up there and just help you out. So you can use your computer

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to learn.

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Yeah, I'm on the same set.

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There you go.

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Right.

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So 920.

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We're done at 945.

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Okay.

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I want to spend a lot of time talking about the survey results.

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rather than, I think, at the preamble that this basically gives a little of the timeline.

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Yes, we are extending the budget process, but hopefully it's more because we want to make

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sure that we're getting Council's feedback and the sentiment correct. It's not that we're

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doing budget meetings every single week. It's we want to make sure that when we're strategizing

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that and looking at how to allocate resources that we're having that kind of back and forth

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with Council before we just, hey, here's the budget in May.

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Let's see.

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Again, just a little refresher.

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Since we did this last year,

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I don't want to spend a lot of time on like,

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how we came up with this methodology and everything,

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but we have kind of seven areas that we focused on.

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And I think we will point out

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and we said this kind of in the instructions and everything.

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There's a lot more that we do at the city.

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It's not just these seven areas

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and there's a lot of things that have to do with life,

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safety, health, that kind of thing

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that we're not showing in here. We're basically trying to really talk about the things that

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Council wants to talk about. The things that we feel like we're doing pretty good at,

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they're not represented here. So, for example, public safety isn't in here because we feel like

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it's going to be good in that regard. So we don't have a lot of public safety questions in here.

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Okay.

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So we do want to leave some time for discussion and make sure that Council can kind of react

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to this. We sent out the survey results last night. So hopefully you've had a chance to look at it.

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If you haven't, you don't take a look right now. The difference between this year and last year

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is we have two sets of data now. So the blue in the smaller bar represents last fiscal year.

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So I just put in FY23 and then the orange represents this fiscal year. So what you just took

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this week. You want to mention any highlights here?

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And so everyone knows if you're just looking at this graph, obviously the orange is 24, the blue is 23.

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Score of one is not important. Score of three is somewhat important, and obviously a score of five is very important.

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You know, the one that sort of jumps off the page you're right away is the one that has perhaps the greatest disparity from one year to the other.

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The other note is that not all of these questions were identical to the previous year throughout the survey and we'll see that as we move along.

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But, you know, this year we compared the continued to fund affordable housing programs that retain existing housing stock.

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This is something that's come up fairly frequently is there's a lot of housing stock out there that exist and it's incredibly expensive time consuming the entitlement process financing partnerships and otherwise to build new units.

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And we have an entire array of programs devoted to that it comes up very frequently as like well why don't you have a buy down program and we have something similar to that in terms of light deed program, but it's not nearly as comprehensive as a true buy down program where we're taking existing inventory that's on the MLS or is out there for sale and we're buying a unit at a market rate and just simply converting it to an affordable rate.

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So it's something interested in your thoughts on it to be fair.

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I don't think that were too surprised on this.

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Based upon the new developments that are either underway that are in the entitlement process with the engine house and the film studio and a potential public private partnership with the seniors.

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There's a lot of other things about delivering new units. So this wasn't that surprising to us, but curious what you think.

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Yeah, same. It seems like a natural thing where as we get more successful and build the pipeline that you start to capitalize on, you think, well, what are the other opportunities and you start to look at your existing housing stocks. I'm not surprised.

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by the change and I brought up Lisa locals that are last meeting. So continue to look at what we can do there and we'll evaluate light D that's coming up whether that's the right way to go.

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I would say I think we were surprised how quickly mountain lands was able to partner with your valley and look at different options there so perhaps that was a great indication of where we could go.

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Um, I would also like to highlight that I'm, I was excited to see that, um, the regional housing authority, even though right not a lot higher, it did bring cires. So I think we're on the right track and I feel like we're doing well with the amount of time and energy we're putting into that.

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It looks like the deeper into the leads we get with housing with this group, it looks like everybody just wants more.

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That's what it says here.

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I think that maybe engine house and that public private partnership might be just a little bit of an indicator with the create a new source of funding just because we're actually looking at that public private partnership thing and

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And that might relieve the stress on funding everything ourselves and that's the only place

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that drops.

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So to me, it just says, we still need to keep doing more.

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So that would agree and leading into this slide.

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The context in which we answer that question, right, it can be looked at as we're supporting

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more of housing investment than housing expense and pure subsidy because a lot of that

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could be taken the wrong way where we say, well, that's about making sure our old house

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housing we made affordable remains affordable and I think the other lens there is looking

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forward focusing on investment and return on that investment investment in a community which

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isn't always related to dollars. City benefit is also an extension of that investment.

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So it's the folks who make this place run and how do we make sure we keep our staff and

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whatnot. Great thank you and as you know the survey has these open and it has an open

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that bar at the very end and so these were the comments that we received and you know I think

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the one in the middle was probably the most interesting to us is just is it time and we are

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constantly assessing we have to file our kind of annual moderate income report we currently are

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working with the Gardener Institute to update some of our housing information and so we are going

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to look at this 15% goal, how many units it's something that I think by statute I think every city

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towns going to have to do, and that's actually underway.

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I've heard actually that a lot over the last couple of years, maybe not as much as past

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year, but I've heard that from the public 15% is your goal.

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That just seems really low, and even though when we set that goal, it sounded eight years

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ago, that was really aspirational, and people were like, there's no way you're going to

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be able to build 800 units, but it does feel like, especially since that last housing

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assessment came out and it up to the number to keep it at 15% to closer to 1,000 units and then also

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thinking about 15%. And it is, I mean, again, aspirational, inspirational hard goals to raise it, but I

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think that it's really important that we can keep evaluating that and adjusting it based on

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what the studies are telling us and then the data we're getting and then also what we're hearing from our

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community. I think it's critical that we really look at that, especially with the development

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that's happening on our back door. And that's going to really impact our workforce. So we've

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got to be creative. We've got to be proactive here to make sure that we can retain a workforce

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but then housing's a big part of that. I think we hear a lot of inquiries. That's an important element

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moving forward. Keep going. Is that okay? All right. So on the transportation front, we obviously added

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new question at the top. This would jump off the paper at us just overwhelming support for

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the way I would summarize this is just continuing to impress upon the built environment. These

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other modes in making them easier, safer, more accessible. So biking, walking tunnels,

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wayfinding, making our built environment around town safer to do something other than drive your car.

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And this is the challenge of any city or town, probably in the world right now, particularly in North America, where a lot of our cities are designed for getting cars in and out and our two major corridors are up.

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One by obviously the state in 224 and 248. And so we got a lot of work to do, but overwhelming response for that number one, that was very compelling. And then the sort of the other two, I'll just draw attention to would be continuing to prioritize the 248 corridor and park and ride options and transit priority lanes. And I think this is just affirmation for us all the work that we're doing in this corridor. You'll hear a lot about this later about a little bit of widening for bus lanes, working on the corridor facility, potentially,

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there's some type of a regional catchment facility up at the junction.

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So there's a lot of work underway and this is affirmation that it's a good use of our

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time and energy that we're spending because we are spending a lot of time in this corridor.

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And then sort of two areas of disparity, I'll call them or something that just changed from one

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year over the next was continuing the regional transportation convening. We look at this and we say

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because we are doing so much work, it's easier to deprioratize it a little. I don't think you're

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asking us to actually depriorate us.

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You're going to hear a lot about all the work

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that's being done, but collaborating with folks

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on the Wasatch back, the Transformation Law

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Disruptors Committee.

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That's how we're addressing this as saying,

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because we have so many initiatives underway.

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It probably feels maybe less important than it did before.

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And then pretty compelling was a new transportation

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funding source.

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There's really one specific transportation funding source

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at a city or town level that the legislature

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would let us levy that we are not set another way. There's only one sort of additional

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fee or tax when it comes to transit of transportation that Park City isn't levying. So we're

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doing everything we possibly can, except for this transportation utility fee. It is purpose-built

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around roads and road infrastructure. That doesn't mean you can't add bike lanes and safety

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for pedestrians and other things, but it is really geared towards roads and roadway maintenance.

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there are a few cities in towns that currently levied this fee. But anyways, just thought it was an

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interesting thing here that, you know, before it had ranked a lot higher and now it had gone down

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a little bit. So just drawing attention to that.

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When on this page is that it does seem like we're getting

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into more becoming more aligned around the importance of parking in town. Good point. Or lack there.

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Yeah, but. Good point. And it's probably almost half now it's dropping down the more we know the more we know

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But more cars will have in town,

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the more traffic we have in town,

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that seems like a pretty logical conclusion,

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and it's starting to play out here.

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Yeah, I think this is gonna be one of the hardest,

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one of the most difficult,

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one of the most controversial conversations

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for any city or town for the next several decades,

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the way our cities are built and the way they function,

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and so these are gonna be huge changes.

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And if you go to any conferences,

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if you go to any leadership training,

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And if you go to any, you know, ULI conference or planner, class, academia, otherwise, everyone

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is very challenged over this last night.

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We had a discussion with the group that went to Toronto for the, but as a district

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and it was, that was the primary takeaway is the changes in the parking paradigms and that

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city alone are just transformational.

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I would like to mention now, just regarding that, like Park City, whatever it was, 10 or 12, 15 years ago decided we were going to be leaders from an environmental stewardship standpoint.

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We dedicated to that. We were ahead of a ball and now cities and towns all over the country are doing similar things to the things that we were doing.

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And so the concept that, you know, we can't be out in front on this particular thing. I think we can be.

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town to a more walkable, bikeable town, less cars in town. If we're all dedicated to it and

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you're right, it's going to be hard conversations and people are going to say it's, you know,

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a fool's hand, but I think it's a worthwhile endeavor. I'll just have three things really quickly

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to say it first. I'll go on record as saying I was probably one of those people who has changed a

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little bit. So you guys can got that on record. I think there's some creative solutions out there that

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I think we get a little bit stuck in like how you can get around in the summer and then winter comes and we're like, oh my gosh, how are we going to do this?

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So I will just say that on record. And then number two, I'm actually working on giving you guys a update from our utility facilities and towns conference that that a few of us attended.

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But the word of the conference is parking. So we should be very cognizant that going into state legislature this year.

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they will be focused mostly on parking.

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It's important. Thanks.

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I was going to say though, you know,

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you're starting to see more alignment.

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Once, one of the things that we've talked about for a long time is being a car optional community. And it's taken us a long time to get to the point where we're actually talking about reducing parking or not requiring as much parking.

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And so if I had any thought for like the transit and transportation team, like take good note of this because there is good alignment there for, you know, the first time in a long time. And this is a good opportunity to actually start talking about how.

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We don't build more parking and what are the options it and for the projects coming up

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I forgot my third one

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Is yesterday being up at banana fly or it reminded me of how important

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Different kinds of shuddling and like transit into trails is going to become in the next few years

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And we had a really great robust conversation about where do we allow parking at our trailhead?

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So I just want to get that on record that that's it. I think that's something we should really be focused on

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Thanks

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All right, I'm going to check in with the mayor.

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Nan, how are we doing?

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Am I doing okay?

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Going too fast?

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OK, all right.

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Let's see, next one's environment.

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Let's see, on the environmental front, you know,

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got to be honest.

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When we looked at this and we reviewed the results,

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sort of to ask those further, further reaffirmation

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of many of the initiatives that we have underway.

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I mean, obviously, the way we read this,

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is saying that the work that we're doing, the time, the money and the resources in terms of

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wildfire mitigation continues to be incredibly important to you and a priority. Perhaps even

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more so than the previous year. So we are spending considerable time and resources in this

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enables us to continue and the way we review this. Secondly, the work that we did with

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with soils in terms of updating our soil ordinance, homes take, dealing with the soil

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out in Gordo continues to be a priority for you. Obviously, you know, we have a new environmental

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manager and this is something that is very sensitive. We have to be incredibly careful

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and in our administration of this. And this is just for the re-information that that new resource

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that we refilled was very well spent. Anything else on environment? I think the zero waste

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thing the way we would categorize that is we currently have the initiative underway where we're

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I think that sometimes when you start having success, you take your hands off the wheel a little bit, and I think this might be an example of that.

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We feel like we've done a pretty good job and now our focus is somewhere else. I just want to caution us not to not to forget how we got here and not to recognize that this is kind of put us on the on the stage up mountains 2030 and all these things.

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It's that I understand how this can kind of happen.

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We need to refocus on things.

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We haven't been doing well, but let's not take our hands off

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the wheel on this one, because I think it's one of the one

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of Park City's proudest sort of accomplishments

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is that we've been a leader in this area for so long.

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I would say, I think one thing is that we don't hear about it.

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So I can't remember when we, I think it was a year ago,

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was the last time we heard about it.

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So maybe maybe more like updates of our progress,

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just keep it fresh in mind.

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I also feel like for me, the bottom two questions were,

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an example of oppositional kind of questions

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where it was, should we be focusing our staff time

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on zero waste initiatives,

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or should we be collaborating with others

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and have encouraging others to work on it?

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So that was how I answered it.

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I might so I ranked higher on the pursuing a collaboration with our important partners.

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We have partners in the community.

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We have our cycle Utah and you know, the county doing waste and we should be working with

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them on doing more zero waste in our community and doing some of that and then so that was

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kind of my thought that was one of those oppositional ones and it wasn't that I didn't think

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it was important that we do it but I really appreciate all the initiatives that we've

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in-house on our energy use, and being more sustainable, and some of the things that have gone

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on in-house as far as that goes, I feel like that's been a better use of our time than

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focusing on the waste piece, which seems to be a more natural fit for other organizations.

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And thanks for pointing that out, because I think after you're at a survey, you always wish

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just might have changed the way you rode a sentence or two. We've gotten some feedback from you as

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but I had a sentence seen the little funky so I appreciate you like sharing with us

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the lands with which you were comparing. Yeah and I think if you had asked about continuing to

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reduce our carbon footprint and moving towards that net net zero carbon reduction,

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I would have pushed that much higher because I'm really proud to Max's point and really

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Out of what we've done in that area, but I mean, I think kind of to your point, we've made progress on that, so it's not even on the list to rank.

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And so it's the question you asked was about, like, waste and I don't know if waste is our.

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Should be our, where we're devoting a lot of our time when we do have to other organizations in our community that should.

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Could be doing a much bigger lift for us.

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Yeah, I agree with most of what's been said here, when we look at these things, you know what, I mean to keep it real, Park City is not going to save the world from waste, but we can set an example, right, we can be the tip of the spear and lead on this.

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Once we get to a point where we've run out as much value as we can from those initiatives,

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it is time to look broader and partner if that's regional, if it's state, if it's federal,

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whatever the case is, banging our heads against the wall isn't going to do with those.

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So once we get to that 80% solution, 90% solution, which it feels like we might be at,

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it's into maintain mode and then collaborate mode versus us spending a lot of time and a lot of resources

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trying to bring that last bit of a value out of it versus getting to 80 or 90 percent on the next

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thing and setting that example. So I actually rent it lower than I did previously for that reason.

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Okay, interesting. I don't think we need to make much more of a push in this space. I think we need

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to start to look broader and invest our internal resources on the next thing.

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Here, cool.

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Good point.

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Interesting perspective.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Let's see.

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On the equity front, we, we, to be fair on question number two about an ongoing funding source to

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subsidize qualified Park City Choker.

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We changed that question a little bit from last time.

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So again, the opportunity to be statistically relevant.

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there, you know, this isn't a longitudinal survey that's statistically relevant. We actually

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changed that question to reflect a new policy decision that you made through your budgeting process.

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But continues to be a priority. You know, the way we look at the senior center question at the top

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is just affirmation that we are plowing a ton of time and resources into working with the seniors of about

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a potential public private partnership, not really a reduction in your level of focus.

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Any other kind of discussion in this area generally.

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I mean, I think sometimes the miners hospital question surprises people, but we are looking

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at our facilities and assets.

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We are growing organization just because our community is growing and their demand for services

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is growing.

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It doesn't mean we just want to grow government, it's just meant we're trying to respond

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to the demands that people are asking of us.

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And so I can't help but think there might be a higher bet and better use of that facility.

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And then obviously, you know, we are standing at, we are contemplating standing up the multi-cultural committee viewing that is maybe why that's a little less important because you guys know that's under ways.

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You're not actually saying it's less important, but you do that initiative was underway.

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I mean, I'll say it. I'm not sure I agree with that. Okay. Again, we have a lot of things on the plate.

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There's a lot of stuff that has direct benefit. There's a lot of stuff that has indirect benefit.

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When you look at this and say everything can't be the top priority, we did a survey and some things fall towards the bottom of that.

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So personally, I'd say we take these results for face value and focus on the things that ranked higher like the last page says.

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I don't feel about that.

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It's not that it's not important in the big picture either.

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I don't want that impression. It's just we're force ranking here.

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Well, this is really helpful for me because Sarah Pierce and I have been kind of exploring different models of multicultural committees and task courses or whatever different cities call them and I think where we've been hung up is now one seems to have a model that has been super effective.

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Everyone seems to be struggling with what is this group supposed to be doing and you know how are they funded or should they be funded or where should they report within the organization.

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And so that's kind of been where we've installed and and so this is helpful for me to know how much more effort we should be putting into that.

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Yeah, that that was I answered it and in the way of, you know, knowing we talked about a multicultural committee, but not having like a real clear scope and objective for what that would be same thing with the DEI manager, I don't want to hire somebody and then figure out what they do.

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want to think about a need and then go figure out whether that is an FTE. So just I was just not

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quite sure about scope and so it didn't jump out as important as it was phrased.

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Yeah, I would actually agree with what Ryan said and also this goes to can the city do it better or

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hand someone in the community do it better and we help.

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Provides services through special service contracts or through some sort of funding. Sometimes I think we think we can do it really well, but we might need to work with our partners on our nonprofits as well.

415
00:50:12,460 --> 00:50:19,000
So that was my thinking too, is this something that we want to take head on and put a lot of resources in or do we want to partner with groups that are already doing it?

416
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:25,820
That's actually really helpful feedback. I think for us in the room and I know the team in the back is listening to you. That's really helpful.

417
00:50:25,820 --> 00:50:31,600
what does feel a little bit like with a governmental body that has a changing dynamic

418
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:38,500
at our leadership level every two years it puts staff in a really really difficult position

419
00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:44,740
trying to educate a new group every two years considering that these are basically shifting grounds

420
00:50:44,740 --> 00:50:51,160
all the time you know doesn't matter where you are this is a really difficult issue for a

421
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:58,360
mental agency to on so I agree with Tana. But if we can find some other group to sort of lead the way

422
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:04,760
and we can try and trust that we also need to pass down to some of the information trust some of

423
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:11,000
that input that we get, how future leaders understand that this is a long, ever evolving process.

424
00:51:11,580 --> 00:51:16,660
But for us to drive it, I think that we would probably set ourselves up for failure.

425
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:24,080
And I think, you know, to some degree, this is something you can't take your eye off the ball on.

426
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:31,760
To some degree, we've kind of accepted the fact that we had a, you know, a strong Spanish speaking population.

427
00:51:32,940 --> 00:51:40,120
And English, you know, 25% of our population we believe to be, you know, immigrants of some sort,

428
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:47,820
whether they're first generation or they're, you know, the people came during like the 80s, but we know that right now we also have

429
00:51:49,260 --> 00:51:58,160
growing Filipino population and we know that also we want to be that embracing warm community,

430
00:51:58,860 --> 00:52:06,240
especially as we talk about potentially having the Olympics come back or work for shortages like we

431
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:13,240
want to keep people in our community, we want them to feel welcome. And I also think, you know,

432
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:17,360
the, I haven't really researched, I don't know, but I just saw that, you know,

433
00:52:17,500 --> 00:52:22,940
brief article about our schools needing support for different populations that aren't being

434
00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:27,620
served as well. And I think that it really is a community discussion, you know, the schools can't

435
00:52:27,620 --> 00:52:32,600
do everything by themselves. They can't support all of our Spanish speakers or English second language

436
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:41,720
learners by themselves and so it didn't rank that high, but I think you don't want to take

437
00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:46,740
this out, you know, take this off the plate or not keep some attention to it because this

438
00:52:46,740 --> 00:52:51,740
is one that can come back and really hurt us down the line if we're not being sensitive to

439
00:52:51,740 --> 00:52:55,780
some of the issues going on in our community and making sure that we keep paying attention to

440
00:52:55,780 --> 00:53:01,000
the diverse needs of our community. We know that we are based on that last sentence, you know,

441
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:08,140
we seem to be getting, you know, older, wealthier, wider, but there is still, there are still diverse

442
00:53:08,140 --> 00:53:12,020
communities in our community that need support, and we need to make sure that we're at least

443
00:53:12,020 --> 00:53:17,060
aware of it, and keeping our eye on that ball, because if you drop it, it can be, it can get really ugly.

444
00:53:17,620 --> 00:53:21,560
I think one thing that happened this year that we should be very proud of is the mayor,

445
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:26,400
convening a seasonal workforce group, stakeholder group in our community that is addressing,

446
00:53:26,580 --> 00:53:29,780
you know, and that's a lot of the seasonal, but it also is raising awareness of

447
00:53:29,780 --> 00:53:33,760
of things like people who speak different languages who are coming here and maybe getting green

448
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:39,240
cards or what not, but I think that some of these things end up happening a little bit organically,

449
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:44,780
and that group is moving along really quickly, and I think it's been really great to get different

450
00:53:44,780 --> 00:53:47,620
members of our community to come together to actually just have those conversations.

451
00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:54,460
Well, thank you. I mean, I think what we're hearing, you know, kind of oversimplified, but

452
00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:58,940
these things are important, continue to be important. You're not going to solve them in a day,

453
00:53:58,940 --> 00:54:15,080
And that to voice them up, we need to work together and collaborate, these aren't just like, you know, things that we're just going to solve as a municipality or government. That's what we're hearing. There's other creative strategies, not that they're not important. So, thank you. I think that's super helpful. And I know the team in the back is listening because they've been working on these.

454
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:28,920
All right. Let's see. Let's have an organizational infrastructure. Okay. This is an interesting section that we have in the survey. I mean, designing these questions is is it's harder here than perhaps it is maybe any other.

455
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:36,020
areas. But a new question, obviously, about our technology and

456
00:54:36,020 --> 00:54:39,580
administration that had come up during the budgeting process, about auditing.

457
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:43,800
And then we can't help but throw in this kind of traditional roles of government, public health,

458
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:48,820
safety and welfare. There's always a good one to have in there. And it's not a great question,

459
00:54:49,060 --> 00:54:53,240
because like what does it mean? It's undefined. But some interesting results in here.

460
00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:55,660
And I don't know if there's anything you want to talk about.

461
00:54:57,390 --> 00:54:59,150
It's just briefly, yeah.

462
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:14,840
Health safety welfare, I think includes what Becca just described as making sure we take care of everyone in our community, and that they feel safe, and they feel welcome and have a great experience being part of the community.

463
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:31,420
Probably why that last one looked a little different to moving forward into your point Matt, it probably would be helpful to have kind of a supplement with this to explain some of the questions that folks

464
00:55:31,420 --> 00:55:37,460
said, you know, this was unclear, so I answered it based on my interpretation. Because if we put that

465
00:55:37,460 --> 00:55:43,340
out there, I bet this would rank a lot higher versus, you know, an interpretation being this means

466
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:49,360
just focus on the basics. Because I don't think that's exactly what this means.

467
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,760
Yeah. Do you think the multicultural question would have ranked higher if it had said

468
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:59,100
multicultural committee focused on the public health safety and welfare of our diverse populations,

469
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:02,860
So, I mean, I guess that's kind of a trick question right there, too.

470
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:05,840
Yeah.

471
00:56:06,340 --> 00:56:08,180
Potentially, yeah, I get it with the pen, right?

472
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:14,540
As I read deeply into those 12 words or whatever,

473
00:56:15,620 --> 00:56:20,420
I think it was the word refocus that implied that we've overreached in what we're doing.

474
00:56:21,340 --> 00:56:25,320
So if you change word refocus, it's probably a little different, because I had the same thing,

475
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,140
like there was a lot of community conversation around child care.

476
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,660
Is that what we should be focusing on health safety welfare?

477
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:36,280
Well, I think of child care as a health welfare and safety right

478
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:36,760
all three.

479
00:56:37,260 --> 00:56:39,000
So I think it's the refocus that I said,

480
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,180
that's not really important.

481
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:43,020
I think we're in, I think we're like kind of living in the right space

482
00:56:43,020 --> 00:56:43,960
where we are today.

483
00:56:44,380 --> 00:56:45,740
Okay. Yeah, and again, these questions.

484
00:56:45,780 --> 00:56:46,540
This is the tough section.

485
00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:50,040
These questions could be viewed a variety of different ways.

486
00:56:50,100 --> 00:56:50,760
I appreciate that.

487
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:51,860
Yeah, they can be very subjective.

488
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,380
I mean, your health could be our mental health.

489
00:56:54,380 --> 00:56:55,960
you know, there's there's so many people.

490
00:56:56,620 --> 00:57:01,500
I'd be on a point out one thing though, in the last question with a third party audit question.

491
00:57:03,300 --> 00:57:06,500
I just, but do you use some of your words?

492
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:10,860
I'd be remiss if I didn't say, we have a really talented staff in house.

493
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:16,080
To me, there's a question about trust, trust in the people that we have doing the work here.

494
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:22,360
If we're going outside, always asking for this outside lens to come look at what we're doing.

495
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:31,800
I feel like we put cause in the wheels and I think this shows that we have a lot of faith in our staff here and they can do most of the work we need done.

496
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:32,880
Well, don't we already get it?

497
00:57:32,960 --> 00:57:35,300
It's already on it every year and that's what it confused me.

498
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,120
I was like, I don't think we already do it.

499
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:37,920
Yeah, it's a bit weird.

500
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:39,960
And that's what council member Rubel hit us with.

501
00:57:40,100 --> 00:57:45,240
You know, we have to do so many audits every year in a variety of ways that are required.

502
00:57:45,500 --> 00:57:51,600
They're statutorily required to meet our office management and budget practices that are required.

503
00:57:51,600 --> 00:57:56,420
So I think we could have worded this question in a different way, like over and above, what

504
00:57:56,420 --> 00:58:00,140
is statutorily required, either a performance audit, a financial audit, there's a bunch

505
00:58:00,140 --> 00:58:02,960
of different types of audits that you could do and it had come up over time.

506
00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:06,100
So I think to be clear, we probably could have worded this better.

507
00:58:06,580 --> 00:58:10,340
Still wanted to smoosh it in here, and I think moving forward, we could figure out how to do

508
00:58:10,340 --> 00:58:10,680
it better.

509
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:13,620
Put some color on this, right?

510
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:17,660
People tend to have that negative reaction when they see a word audit.

511
00:58:18,560 --> 00:58:20,960
Audits aren't always a bad thing either, right?

512
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:26,260
doesn't mean you're questioning the work, it also can mean it's a way to give public confidence

513
00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:31,580
that you're actually doing what you should be doing and pushing the envelope and it gives

514
00:58:31,580 --> 00:58:36,540
air cover to be a little more aggressive in some projects. So, you know, depending on how you

515
00:58:36,540 --> 00:58:43,340
approach an audit, it could be a good thing or it could be like when someone thinks about the

516
00:58:43,340 --> 00:58:45,920
IRS knocking on your door and it's a bad thing, right?

517
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,380
Yeah, good point.

518
00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:48,460
I would just say that.

519
00:58:48,740 --> 00:58:49,020
Yeah, good point.

520
00:58:49,180 --> 00:58:55,700
Based on what we have to do, maybe what we're not doing is showing people the number of,

521
00:58:55,700 --> 00:58:59,200
you know, the amount of oversight we already have, right?

522
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:04,000
Like just saying we're going to do another one, I think it indicates that people don't recognize

523
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:11,120
where there's a microscope on us all the time, and our stuff is killing it, and all

524
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,840
of our audits are showing that we're doing pretty darn well on almost every metric.

525
00:59:14,840 --> 00:59:27,760
So, maybe we're just not advertising well enough how well we're doing, but that's like, that's hard to do. How do we go out in public and just continue to pat ourselves on the back all the time? That's not the easiest thing for anybody to do, right? Not in a humble environment.

526
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:33,400
We could have work sessions regarding the audit, at least it's out there. We usually do. We get a review.

527
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:39,120
bigger. I think I just like to fall on the sword on this. This question could have been

528
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:45,840
worded much differently. My comments earlier about maybe taking accountability when

529
00:59:45,840 --> 00:59:49,480
something could have been done better. Next year, I think we'll try to rephrase this question

530
00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:55,360
perhaps differently that allows you to evaluate it. I mean, I think I kind of go back to Jeremy

531
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:59,920
point about this is about prioritizing in where we want to spend it.

532
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:11,720
What resources in one way or another, just the audit's just take a lot of resources in time. And so if we're doing it and we feel confident in the results in it, then maybe to access point, we should be sharing it more, but it's so hard.

533
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:25,580
The reason that people hate being audited by the IRS is that you have to pull out all your papers and go back and find all your documents and share them and it takes a lot of time and effort and we have a lot of papers and a lot of documents and probably not paper anymore.

534
01:00:25,580 --> 01:00:37,620
but a lot of files and it's just, it's so much work in our, so I just want to make sure we're using our resources and our staff time efficiently and not just creating a lot of work.

535
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:42,000
If we have, if we already have the information that we need, we're just not sharing it properly.

536
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,500
Great, thank you for, thank you for the discussion.

537
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:47,680
We'll just keep moving here, we'll run a little short on time.

538
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:49,380
This is always an interesting section.

539
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:54,600
If we added it last year and we had a lot of discussion about it.

540
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:58,040
an entirely new question was the second from the bottom.

541
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,680
We put this one in here about special events.

542
01:01:01,180 --> 01:01:03,160
It look like if you've been in this community for the last 10 years,

543
01:01:03,660 --> 01:01:06,440
then a lot of swings, one way or the other with regard to special events.

544
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:10,560
I mean, it's so much can be said about the partnership, the collaboration,

545
01:01:11,460 --> 01:01:14,640
the professionalism with which we brought special events into this community

546
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:19,920
and why culture, economics, myriad of reasons,

547
01:01:20,140 --> 01:01:22,300
but then obviously the swing back in terms of mitigation,

548
01:01:22,300 --> 01:01:26,620
the amount of effort that goes into them impacts on residential neighborhoods. So this

549
01:01:26,620 --> 01:01:30,500
question was really devtailed around like local special events, which is something

550
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:34,840
it's been percolating lately. Maybe it's not the big mass of special events that requires

551
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:41,140
transit and police and pedestrian management. Maybe there's smarter, cuter, funnier, more creative ways

552
01:01:41,140 --> 01:01:47,140
we can interspersed real community events in our neighborhood pockets in other areas. So maybe the

553
01:01:47,140 --> 01:01:50,980
question wasn't worded as well as it could have, but that's sort of what we meant by that.

554
01:01:51,540 --> 01:02:00,820
And then the other one that was really interesting to us was although it's not a large jump, but the third from the top about creating new economic development plan and a toolkit.

555
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:10,320
So have appropriate use for redevelopment authority, tax increment, community reinvestment areas, cities and towns all over Utah are using these financial tools.

556
01:02:10,900 --> 01:02:15,740
We have had a lot of experience with them in the past, but most of them have run their course and they did so naturally.

557
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:19,060
they did so organically because they met the needs, or the

558
01:02:19,060 --> 01:02:21,680
desirability of what we were trying to do that that time.

559
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,300
Create a parking garage, or grow the resorts, or this and that.

560
01:02:25,980 --> 01:02:29,300
We don't have a lot of them in place now, and I think what we're seeing here is that shouldn't

561
01:02:29,300 --> 01:02:34,180
negate our ability to assess these, or renew them, or propose them moving forward.

562
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,980
So I think that one was interesting to us, but I'm curious what you all thought.

563
01:02:38,420 --> 01:02:40,740
Can you talk a little bit about the bottom one, actually?

564
01:02:43,220 --> 01:02:46,440
Yeah, there's actually a question about this, too, if you go to the next slide,

565
01:02:50,130 --> 01:02:52,850
I think this one has come up from time to time.

566
01:02:52,990 --> 01:02:57,830
Council has been saying, or other things that we could delegate to staff administratively.

567
01:02:57,910 --> 01:03:02,970
In terms of creating more efficiency and things where I think the mayor and council thinks,

568
01:03:03,010 --> 01:03:05,850
you know, look, we don't have a lot of wiggle room on this.

569
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:07,790
Why are you bringing this recommendation to us?

570
01:03:07,890 --> 01:03:12,590
It's already been adequately vetted by a border commission that you've delegated your authority to.

571
01:03:13,230 --> 01:03:14,990
Some of these are required by law.

572
01:03:15,170 --> 01:03:16,510
Some of these are statutory required.

573
01:03:16,510 --> 01:03:23,250
And we don't have discretion, however, this is a little bit of a fearful area, sometimes for staff.

574
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:27,010
I mean, making administrative decisions can sometimes be very controversial.

575
01:03:28,090 --> 01:03:31,310
And community will appeal or run to you and say, you know, look,

576
01:03:31,410 --> 01:03:34,590
staffs really taking the tiller here and moving the boat at a different direction.

577
01:03:34,830 --> 01:03:40,570
And so we're very sensitive to the notion that we probably want more administrative control, right?

578
01:03:40,630 --> 01:03:42,170
That's not our goal.

579
01:03:42,850 --> 01:03:47,070
Often, it's, it's actually easier for us to make the professional recommendations, do the

580
01:03:47,070 --> 01:03:51,570
do diligence, hire the correct professionals and provide you with the recommendation and the

581
01:03:51,570 --> 01:03:57,010
responsibilities yours. But this is a constant balancing act in any city or town, particularly

582
01:03:57,010 --> 01:04:03,450
in Park City. Well, my question was actually more on the public hearing part of it and I immediately

583
01:04:03,450 --> 01:04:08,570
thought of cities in Utah that don't allow for public hearings. That's where I was like, that's where

584
01:04:08,570 --> 01:04:10,090
my mind went with that question.

585
01:04:11,350 --> 01:04:14,170
So, yeah, if you want to just maybe mention some of the stuff

586
01:04:14,170 --> 01:04:16,410
you've been hearing at the Legislature, I think that might help.

587
01:04:18,210 --> 01:04:22,050
All right, so yeah, at the Legislature to be fair,

588
01:04:22,070 --> 01:04:25,870
particularly in the land use area, the Legislature is looking at

589
01:04:25,870 --> 01:04:28,490
minimizing or diminishing the amount of public hearings when it comes

590
01:04:28,490 --> 01:04:31,270
to land use decisions and making more of them administrative.

591
01:04:31,870 --> 01:04:35,090
You see a lot of the planning directors, you see a lot of legal counsel

592
01:04:35,090 --> 01:04:41,090
Utah saying, it's a great notion for accountability, but it's also going to create a mess with

593
01:04:41,090 --> 01:04:46,590
the public's ability to feel heard, to feel represented, and how, if you're, like, a public

594
01:04:46,590 --> 01:04:51,490
that feels like decisions are being made without their input. And so there's a dichotomy here

595
01:04:51,490 --> 01:04:57,890
about the legislature wanting efficiency, process, getting things done on the supply side of our

596
01:04:57,890 --> 01:04:59,730
increases in the myriad of other areas.

597
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:07,360
Trying to make that process more efficient, but continuing to make sure that there's adequate public hearings, transparency, and otherwise, this is going to be the balancing act moving.

598
01:05:07,420 --> 01:05:09,680
And I think I asked you at one of the meetings we were at.

599
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:17,400
I was talking to a city whose planning commission does not take public input at all, and their planning is completely different than the way that we do it.

600
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:25,680
And I had never heard that before. So that's where that's why I was thinking about is that we would just completely forego public comment during planning process.

601
01:05:26,340 --> 01:05:29,540
Do they not even have, they have to have public hearings though, right?

602
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:31,000
They don't comment.

603
01:05:31,380 --> 01:05:35,600
Yeah, well, I think only for what is statutorily obligated that a single

604
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:40,040
second mark under very strict terms, very strict rules.

605
01:05:40,480 --> 01:05:41,880
Where our city tends to be more inclusive.

606
01:05:41,940 --> 01:05:45,500
You delegate a lot of your authority to boards and commissions that you don't have to.

607
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:47,320
You do by choice and by resolution.

608
01:05:48,020 --> 01:05:51,840
So there's clearly more efficient form, but you get less input.

609
01:05:51,980 --> 01:05:53,880
I think it was last year's session.

610
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:58,860
correct my femuron max and Matt, but that there was this conversation at the legislative level

611
01:05:58,860 --> 01:06:04,500
that they might take that away to make it easier for the developers to get through the process

612
01:06:04,500 --> 01:06:10,020
that cities and towns were doing too much public input and that was what was holding people up

613
01:06:10,020 --> 01:06:15,780
from getting their their developments approved right on that it was last year last year yeah.

614
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:22,060
So there's a couple things to wrap this one in right before we get too far into any specific

615
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:29,140
The first concept here is we're talking really about a pendulum swing, right, where we heard

616
01:06:29,140 --> 01:06:38,140
from the community, we've heard from commercial and residential that some folks felt, and

617
01:06:38,140 --> 01:06:42,820
I would say a majority, that we were going too far towards the resort economy and not doing

618
01:06:42,820 --> 01:06:45,200
enough for our residents and taxpayers.

619
01:06:46,240 --> 01:06:51,600
And there have been a lot of strides made in the past 12 or 18 months on this front, right?

620
01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:56,140
goes back to one of these earlier questions of, well, is it a lower priority because we feel like we're

621
01:06:56,140 --> 01:07:03,280
settling in pretty well to an operational mode? I'd contend yes. We're partnering with the chamber,

622
01:07:03,780 --> 01:07:08,500
right? They're taking more of the business community stuff and we're finding a nice sweet spot to work

623
01:07:08,500 --> 01:07:15,840
in there. We launched the relaunch that neighborhoods first program, which has really promoted mitigation

624
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,940
in our neighborhoods and is wildly successful, you know, everyone,

625
01:07:20,700 --> 01:07:24,640
there's this, there's that, yes, things can always be better and we're continuously improving,

626
01:07:24,780 --> 01:07:29,880
that programs running every month. We're actually about to launch another engagement effort out

627
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:34,920
to the residents to let them know about it and invite them to join in if there's anything they'd like to raise.

628
01:07:35,900 --> 01:07:41,620
But we can't, it's not that this is less important, it's settling into that that lane.

629
01:07:41,620 --> 01:07:47,160
We talked a little bit about revenue generation on these new economic development plans.

630
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:53,820
Again, that's saying can we ring the towel on the resort economy a bit to be perfectly honest

631
01:07:53,820 --> 01:08:01,040
when we see average daily rates over a thousand dollars a night versus increasing taxes on our

632
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:06,680
residents who are having a hard time living here as it is. We've seen, I mean, personal experience,

633
01:08:06,680 --> 01:08:13,580
cash out of pocket of 70, 80% the last two years on property taxes, and that's with zero increase from the city.

634
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:19,140
That's, you know, folks have to call the county about that, so we need to do what we can as a city to say,

635
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:24,980
are there other places we can get money to fund these programs without making it harder to live here,

636
01:08:25,260 --> 01:08:28,300
which then keeps that equity cycle devolving.

637
01:08:28,940 --> 01:08:31,560
So it's really like, what's the problem we're trying to solve?

638
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:34,640
What are the methods in solving that problem and getting creative?

639
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:41,200
And the last one around the public hearings and boards, I mean, our last council meeting was

640
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:42,140
case in point.

641
01:08:43,500 --> 01:08:50,000
We had three items, I think, that complied with our code across the board, that were unanimously

642
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,580
recommended by the Planning Commission.

643
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:58,000
Yet we had staff spend time generating new reports, being there at night to present to us.

644
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,040
We had to hear it, right?

645
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:01,320
We had to vote on it.

646
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:06,400
is that really the best use of everyone's time throughout the process when it's already been through

647
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:11,120
the public process? Does it need to go through two or three public processes for something like that

648
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:16,220
when it is full compliance or if there's an issue with it, should that really just be a recommendation

649
01:09:16,220 --> 01:09:21,800
from staff to say, hey, Council, this one complies moving forward. You might want to look at the code

650
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:27,180
around this and that's where our focus should be, right? And to that note, we'll talk about it in a

651
01:09:27,180 --> 01:09:33,040
minutes, we have to help our staff prioritize these initiatives because that is on the plate,

652
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:37,440
right, the case by case determinations is on the plate for planning the approval of 30 matrix

653
01:09:37,440 --> 01:09:41,960
is on the plate for planning but we keep adding more and more and more before crossing things out

654
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:47,880
the list. So like we force rank in this exercise a bit, let's get into some some ideas

655
01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:53,100
is how we can help them be more successful in bringing those things forward so we don't get trapped

656
01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:55,040
in an inefficient cycle.

657
01:09:55,820 --> 01:09:56,140
Thank you.

658
01:09:56,620 --> 01:09:59,940
Yeah, Jeremy's second point was how I read this was.

659
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:16,700
But there are a lot of things that I think are just, yeah, I mean, we don't like to say we represent it, but if it's already gone through the planning commission that's already gone through our staff, and they're just coming to us for like a lot line that's a simple move.

660
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:28,540
It might not be worth all of our time reading through all these packets and long things and trying to make sure that we're well informed just in case there's something that we should be aware of, but really there's not that much that we need to be concerned about.

661
01:10:28,540 --> 01:10:41,640
So I don't know, I think, for some of those things, it would, it would help to have some sort of review as to what needs to come before counsel, what needs to go before planning commission, and make sure that we're all being as efficient as possible with our time.

662
01:10:42,020 --> 01:10:45,700
Would could it, I mean, this is for you and the mayor, but could it just be on consent agenda?

663
01:10:46,500 --> 01:10:54,840
Well, I think what we're hearing is you want us to continue to look at this to analyze it and come up with some recommendations, and I think that we're more than willing to do that.

664
01:10:54,840 --> 01:11:00,000
for always going to have a slight, you know, reluctance to try to any notion that we're seeking

665
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,680
more authority or more administrative powers, but it's clear you're interested in having that

666
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,920
conversation and we're more than willing to do that. But I just want to ask a question.

667
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:13,240
I think it's worth where this question sort of originated from at the legislative level.

668
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:19,220
You know, just be careful. We have to be really careful because as soon as you start

669
01:11:19,220 --> 01:11:24,420
chip in a way at these public processes, especially in this state.

670
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:27,700
I mean, let's just not beat her on the bush.

671
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:34,320
This whole push at the legislative level was because of Dakota Pacific and 700 people showing up saying

672
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:36,440
they don't want a development that the state wants.

673
01:11:37,380 --> 01:11:41,980
So they are trying to stifle public input for development,

674
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,960
and they're doing it through the lens of more equals more equals more,

675
01:11:45,960 --> 01:12:15,940
where in Park City, we tend to want a deed restrict and sort of regulate and use our existing housing stock rather than just build build build build so we just need to be careful not not disagreeing with the sentiment here that like yeah we have some little things low hanging fruit that we'd like to not come to us if possible but I think it's worth going through the process of just doing those lot line adjustments and platemens to make sure that the people always have a voice and this state is

676
01:12:15,940 --> 01:12:22,000
going to continue to try and hammer down on not giving them not voice because that those people are not telling

677
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:27,660
the legislators at the state level what they want to hear and we've seen time and time again

678
01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:30,980
They're trying to figure out how to not have to answer that question.

679
01:12:30,980 --> 01:12:37,300
All right, so let's put a pin in this one so we didn't get too deep. I know that Rebecca Ward's in the room since she's got another item on the agenda

680
01:12:38,380 --> 01:12:45,220
In a little bit, so she'll probably speak to us a little bit because I think some of this is underway and I think the team is excited to bring some of this back to you

681
01:12:45,220 --> 01:12:49,780
But let's keep rolling if that's okay, all right, we'll be a little over.

682
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,480
All right, the last one recreation, then gentle, take it home and summarize.

683
01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:58,480
Obviously, the first question is brand new, training, response to some additional community

684
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:03,440
dialogue that we've heard as well as the last issue that we've been hearing at the last

685
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:05,020
item that we've been hearing around the golf course.

686
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:09,960
And so I think the first one, you know, our first reaction was, wow, you guys are serious

687
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:10,700
about this.

688
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:12,960
And we can continue to take a look at this.

689
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,520
And luckily, it's not like a new capital project or initiative.

690
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:17,980
We don't have to build something.

691
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:19,720
We don't have to go through an engineering study.

692
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,100
Our recreation facility managers,

693
01:13:22,180 --> 01:13:23,940
I think you're here in this loud and clear,

694
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:26,540
and they can feed this into the annual budgeting

695
01:13:26,540 --> 01:13:27,560
for outcomes process.

696
01:13:27,620 --> 01:13:29,380
So this is really clear direction to us

697
01:13:29,380 --> 01:13:30,880
and actually really helpful.

698
01:13:32,140 --> 01:13:34,520
Anything anyone wants to say about this?

699
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:36,960
To say one thing.

700
01:13:37,220 --> 01:13:39,380
I just, again, just a word of caution.

701
01:13:40,100 --> 01:13:42,660
We have a county that's building a ton of things.

702
01:13:42,660 --> 01:13:46,200
they're gonna be spending a fortune on recreation going forward.

703
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:48,860
I do think that in Park City,

704
01:13:49,420 --> 01:13:51,880
we have sort of a limited amount of time

705
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:57,080
to build enough stuff and provide enough recreational resources

706
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:01,940
to everybody to sort of stay in the boat.

707
01:14:01,940 --> 01:14:04,820
I think our residents will eventually be hurt

708
01:14:04,820 --> 01:14:07,800
by isolating ourselves from the county.

709
01:14:07,980 --> 01:14:10,420
I'm not sure if that's what you're going for here,

710
01:14:10,420 --> 01:14:12,560
but I do think that we need to make sure

711
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,700
that we're always in lock step with basin rack,

712
01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:18,400
in lock step with the people who basically consider

713
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,920
themselves Park City because I think we all use

714
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:25,740
those resources, that reciprocity is really important.

715
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:27,780
And I just don't want to make sure

716
01:14:27,780 --> 01:14:33,160
that we at least keep that ring sort of school district ring

717
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:35,840
as our focus in terms of our community.

718
01:14:36,620 --> 01:14:38,240
Maybe outside and out, I totally understand

719
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:39,320
some kind of conversation,

720
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:46,720
but I don't want to get lost in this, you know, white barn to the PCL is it. I think we would

721
01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:51,600
hurt ourselves long term if we shrink ourselves into that small of a circle. And I don't think

722
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,480
we've done that yet, but I just want to, you know, word of caution. I actually agree with you. That's

723
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:59,920
I was thinking about it as well, is that it is the...

724
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:15,680
I agree with that. I looked at this through the lens as well of people coming up from the valley. I have heard so much frustration this summer from our residents about the overcrowding on our trails, especially.

725
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:26,960
And many, when you look at who's using the trails, a lot of it is people that don't live within our area, whether that school district or within the city.

726
01:15:27,380 --> 01:15:34,460
So I think that anything that we can look at to prioritise our locals we need to be doing.

727
01:15:34,920 --> 01:16:02,660
Yeah, yeah, I agree I thought of as out of area, not including the basin and I guess it's more of a convert this was my comment here and I guess it's more of a conversation maybe after we see the results of the record but when we think about we're going to live in this world where any recreation we develop we're going to be a minority user of those facilities so especially if the public comes back and says we don't want to vote facilities where we're only going to be 30% you know whatever it is.

728
01:16:02,660 --> 01:16:08,460
We have to think about, well, how do we continue to develop recreation in a way that we can

729
01:16:08,460 --> 01:16:12,280
caution what the folks who will be that majority, which is going to be the basin, basins

730
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:14,140
doing more and more to max this point.

731
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:19,580
And so you immediately go, how do you put it all together into a pot that we manage collectively,

732
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:24,480
and there's a ton of cost and benefit to that, obviously, like from Spanich control quality,

733
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:27,080
how we think about, how do we think about ourselves?

734
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:32,220
So I think there could be a really interesting conversation out recreation to have after

735
01:16:32,220 --> 01:16:37,940
afternoon November based on those results. Isn't that what areas to find as on here? I mean,

736
01:16:38,020 --> 01:16:41,620
whenever we talk about recreation area, we're talking about us plus space and raccades.

737
01:16:42,780 --> 01:16:47,140
I know you just helped us define that for a person, presumably. Okay.

738
01:16:47,420 --> 01:16:50,780
I think there's a fine argument to be asked, hey, what are we talking about?

739
01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:56,060
Park City Municipal only? Or the school district or a rec base? I know if I'd already just helped us

740
01:16:56,060 --> 01:17:00,920
define that a little bit. Yeah, with the managers that are running nice and evolve horse and a mark

741
01:17:04,900 --> 01:17:10,720
The IE, they pay more than PC residents. We have a lot of conversations about what is a PC resident.

742
01:17:11,500 --> 01:17:15,940
So those, I mean, we just need to be real clear about what's why. Because yeah, I took it.

743
01:17:15,940 --> 01:17:23,760
I read that part and I'm like, well, yeah, that's a 406L PC resident is a 406L period. That's it.

744
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:30,040
Yeah, this might be one that can be worded better in the future, because we do have an active agreement with Jason Rack, right?

745
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:32,460
we do share resources, there's a value exchange.

746
01:17:32,860 --> 01:17:34,880
I mean, you outlined a lot of the benefits max.

747
01:17:35,820 --> 01:17:38,740
Perhaps PC residents is the wrong term here in Rekaria.

748
01:17:39,100 --> 01:17:42,080
Is it better term to use moving forward?

749
01:17:42,380 --> 01:17:44,820
But then I'm not going to be knowing right next time.

750
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,460
OK, now we're over time.

751
01:17:50,620 --> 01:17:53,380
I'll just have a couple of closing thoughts here.

752
01:17:53,980 --> 01:17:57,700
The idea behind this, obviously, it's not that,

753
01:17:57,700 --> 01:17:59,980
because you vote a certain way that that's exactly

754
01:17:59,980 --> 01:18:00,900
what we're going to do.

755
01:18:00,900 --> 01:18:10,000
I think we want as much information from Council as we're putting the budget together, and as we're trying to implement Council's desires and priorities.

756
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,680
One way to think about it is the things that are above a four.

757
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:16,920
Five is considered very important.

758
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:20,980
So anything above a four is things that we have a lot more consensus on.

759
01:18:21,600 --> 01:18:23,940
I think things there between three and four.

760
01:18:24,020 --> 01:18:26,000
I think might need a little bit more discussion.

761
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:36,260
And I think that's part of kind of the next several months is coming back to council and exploring some of these ideas that we're being that we're presenting to you anything below a three.

762
01:18:37,340 --> 01:18:53,760
We're kind of looking at as not as important and may drop from a future survey if you look in your packet you'll see the survey from last year we could drop things and that was intentional because again the whole point of this is really to add focus so that we can make sure that we're implementing.

763
01:18:54,460 --> 01:18:57,280
all these things as much as we possibly can.

764
01:18:57,500 --> 01:19:01,760
I think another good thing to take a look at is where there's been a lot of change positively

765
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:07,860
or negatively and keep track of that just because I think that shows growing support

766
01:19:07,860 --> 01:19:12,100
or maybe lessening support, even if it's not falling out of one range or another, but it

767
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:13,980
is just interesting to kind of track.

768
01:19:14,280 --> 01:19:19,200
I thought the parking one to just track how that was moving or, you know, some of those

769
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:23,320
things where there's big, even if it's not falling into the higher one, just where there's

770
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:38,320
positive motion is interesting to see that's continuing to grow that sentiment is continuing to grow and that would be the other thing I wanted to just throw out the council is if you find value in this I really like that we had the data set from last fiscal year that you could see where that was going

771
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:43,320
I'd propose that we keep doing this and you know at this time next year

772
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:59,800
Discounts will agree with that sentiment. Do you find a lot of utility in this? Yes. I do. Yeah. Yeah, this is one of those things where, you know, we need the answers even if we don't like the answers, right? Right. And the other comment I was going to make is we wrap this up is

773
01:20:01,040 --> 01:20:08,300
For the lens as we do this next time, let's be careful about a distinction between residents and taxpayers.

774
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:17,140
We do have a lot of non-resident taxpayers in Park City Municipal, even in broader areas we talk about.

775
01:20:17,460 --> 01:20:29,820
And really, the discussion should be around, are we delivering value to their tax spend, not ignoring them in favor of people who live here full time, which can be defined.

776
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,880
It's been defined 10 different ways in the past year, depending on what we're talking about.

777
01:20:35,180 --> 01:20:36,660
So it goes back to the what's a local.

778
01:20:37,220 --> 01:20:39,620
This is about municipal service delivery.

779
01:20:40,460 --> 01:20:42,940
I'd like to see that moving forward if we can.

780
01:20:43,240 --> 01:20:48,740
I would just two two suggestions one being a little more time for us to take the survey.

781
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:55,840
As I said, and then the second being perhaps asking us if there's anything we would like to see on the survey in the future.

782
01:20:55,840 --> 01:21:02,820
I know that you left an open space but I was in a pretty big hurry and now like 50 things have come to my head.

783
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,540
So perhaps that would be a suggestion for the future.

784
01:21:08,600 --> 01:21:15,500
Just the last thing is we'll have some new council members soon and I'd like to have them take it as well.

785
01:21:15,840 --> 01:21:21,700
And then we also kicked out some of the questions with recreation and we wanted to kind of re-survey.

786
01:21:21,700 --> 01:21:25,180
So there are a few more things, maybe before the February retreat,

787
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:29,300
they will resurface some of these things. I don't want to have you all retake the survey,

788
01:21:29,500 --> 01:21:35,400
but just in very specific sections. Okay, thank you. Thank you. It's just great.

789
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,980
Is there anybody doing okay?

790
01:21:39,740 --> 01:21:40,960
All right.

791
01:21:41,260 --> 01:21:42,440
Really quick.

792
01:26:46,100 --> 01:26:53,700
That's about everybody in here. And start looking at our long-range planning efforts and initiatives.

793
01:26:55,280 --> 01:26:59,040
And we'll start with the city's general plan. Take it away, Rebecca.

794
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:16,520
I'm sorry, I thought it was, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, thank you, thank you, thank you, mayor, moral, and also it's good to be with you this morning,

795
01:27:19,890 --> 01:27:24,530
so I wanted to take a moment to provide,

796
01:27:28,480 --> 01:27:36,860
is this working now? Okay, I wanted to start off with just a few updates to follow up on.

797
01:27:36,860 --> 01:27:44,860
the last discussion. So we did hear the input about making sure that review of planning

798
01:27:44,860 --> 01:27:53,020
applications has meaning and that it's being reviewed by the best board or commission.

799
01:27:54,260 --> 01:28:02,520
So we started with the appeal panel. That was a change in the code to shift what was coming

800
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:10,660
to the City Council on Appeal from Planning Commission approvals to a three-member Appeal panel.

801
01:28:11,140 --> 01:28:16,940
And that's been a change in the code that's adopted and we're currently recruiting for the three

802
01:28:16,940 --> 01:28:22,560
members to serve on that panel. And then additionally, something that the Planning Commission

803
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:29,600
prioritized this year was looking at reviews of plants and lotlines. And a lot of these applications

804
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:36,260
that come to the city council and they have been conducting work sessions and they're scheduled

805
01:28:36,260 --> 01:28:44,580
to provide a recommendation to the council next Wednesday and their recommendation is that

806
01:28:44,580 --> 01:28:50,480
the the plats and those types of projects and with the planning commission is the final approval

807
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:57,160
authority and so that is something that is in progress that's being discussed and that will be

808
01:28:57,160 --> 01:29:07,530
coming before you in October, October 26th, for the general plan, the comprehensive update. This is

809
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:15,190
an update on the direction that we were given in the September retreat from last year regarding

810
01:29:15,190 --> 01:29:21,970
the long range planning initiatives of the city. And so our general plan is a blueprint for growth

811
01:29:21,970 --> 01:29:27,530
and development. It is required by state and there are elements we will have to cover like

812
01:29:27,530 --> 01:29:34,910
transportation, affordable housing, and land use, but really it's a plan, a community plan that

813
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is developed through community engagement. It's based on community values and the community's

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vision. And if you think about your favorite place in town, the general plan may have had something

815
01:29:47,970 --> 01:29:56,010
to do with that. So the general plan is an opportunity to step back and look at the big picture.

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01:29:56,010 --> 01:29:59,910
This image is taken from our current general plan.

817
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And it shows that we have a lot of development, not just of the Wasatch front, but the Wasatch back, especially along the Jordan now, we now have the might of made-powered development.

818
01:30:14,500 --> 01:30:25,660
We know that there will be future development in the Snyderville basin, and so it gives us an opportunity to evaluate our existing conditions and what's planned for future growth.

819
01:30:25,660 --> 01:30:40,860
We know that we have more people who work in Park City 11,000 than live in Park City 8,500 and that of those 8,000 of the workers are commuting from outside of Summit County.

820
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:51,140
And with the goal that was just reiterated for 15% of the workforce to live in Park City were at about 6%.

821
01:30:51,140 --> 01:31:12,720
And the general plan is an opportunity to explore our resort town and the balance with visitors and residents and also to look ahead at what will be coming along through changes in technology changes in climate and a potential Olympics on the horizon.

822
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:23,180
The general plan is aspirational, it's an opportunity for the community to envision what what we want to see where we want to go.

823
01:31:24,200 --> 01:31:29,520
And like I said, the foundation is based on identified community values.

824
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:38,560
It's a blueprint for how we get there and it establishes goals objectives and then strategies that we can implement.

825
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:57,880
And in 2019 there was a mountain and resort town planners summit and one of the points of discussion was what are our blind spots as planners, there were elected officials and planning commissioners in attendance as well.

826
01:31:58,260 --> 01:32:06,680
And there was a lot of discussion about driverless cars, drone deliveries, changing climate and the way we design our cities and our infrastructure.

827
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,920
But there was no discussion of pickleball.

828
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,160
There was no discussion of global pandemic.

829
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That wasn't on anyone's horizon at that time.

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01:32:20,140 --> 01:32:24,060
And there was also no discussion about the transition

831
01:32:24,680 --> 01:32:30,080
of companies similar to time shares moving from condos

832
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,800
into single family homes in primary resident areas.

833
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But our general plan, while we can't envision everything that's going to happen in the next 10, 20 years,

834
01:32:44,940 --> 01:32:51,960
it gives us a foundation to be able to address those changes as they come along.

835
01:32:52,480 --> 01:33:00,980
And they help shape code amendments that we could put into place for pickleball to support that where it makes sense and also to protect residential areas.

836
01:33:04,110 --> 01:33:13,290
And with our general plan from 1884, when the city was incorporated to 1970, there was very little change to the city boundary.

837
01:33:14,290 --> 01:33:18,130
It looked like this for a very long time, 86 years.

838
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But every decade the city has increased through annexations.

839
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And this is our current city boundary, and to the north, we have additional acreage that is city

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01:33:33,670 --> 01:33:38,190
old, not within the boundary, including round valley, and to the south, the lands of flat.

841
01:33:47,820 --> 01:33:57,340
So, we have over the years adopted these plans to help shape the way that the future of Park City is

842
01:33:57,340 --> 01:34:15,340
It grows, and in 1985, the image to the right is from Main Street, 1975, and the goal of the plan at that time was to redevelop and a manner which will enhance the towns appeal as a place to live and visit while preserving the unique character of Park City.

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01:34:16,220 --> 01:34:25,940
The next general plan was in 1997, and this was a plan that really explored a sense of loss.

844
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There was a feeling of loss of community identity, loss of open space, loss of affordable housing, loss of quality of life.

845
01:34:34,160 --> 01:34:40,040
So that plan provided recommendations to help address some of those challenges.

846
01:34:41,300 --> 01:34:45,460
Our current general plan was adopted in 2014.

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01:34:47,720 --> 01:34:56,760
It is based on a 2009 visioning process that was done community-wide, and there were four

848
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,940
values identified small towns under community now.

849
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:19,740
And also through that process, there were different neighborhoods that were created for our commercial areas, our residential areas, and our resort areas to address the different needs and different challenges for each of those neighborhoods.

850
01:35:20,900 --> 01:35:32,140
There are 16 goals that span from directing growth inward to growing as an arts and culture hub to our parks and recreation facilities,

851
01:35:35,710 --> 01:35:47,650
and I'll give just a few examples of how the general plan has shaped some of the the code changes that have helped in the way that we use and develop our land.

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01:35:47,650 --> 01:36:12,050
And the first is that one of the goals is that Main Street remains the the heart of the community and 2016 to 2018 there were series of code amendments that were prioritized by the community to make sure that the street level remained vibrant and active to put restaurants and bars and other uses like that at the street level and then to put residential and office spaces in the upper levels.

853
01:36:12,050 --> 01:36:32,230
There was also an effort to balance local and unique businesses with chain businesses, and then there are continuous updates to our design guidelines to preserve the historic character of our historic districts and to work toward compatible info.

854
01:36:33,770 --> 01:36:42,150
The second is the community's prioritization of open space and in 2016 the voters approved

855
01:36:42,150 --> 01:36:50,090
the $25 million bond for the NASA flat area and acreage and in 2018 the $48 million

856
01:36:50,090 --> 01:36:57,050
bond for the treasure hill and the principles of the general plan and the priorities helped

857
01:36:57,050 --> 01:37:03,490
to zone the the treasure hill property that had once been vested for development as recreation

858
01:37:03,490 --> 01:37:11,950
open space to preserve that in the long run. The other is affordable housing since 1984.

859
01:37:12,350 --> 01:37:21,610
The code allowed for a 20 bonus density, density bonus. If a project was developed with a 100

860
01:37:21,610 --> 01:37:22,830
for Santa Fortable Housing.

861
01:37:22,970 --> 01:37:25,650
And in 37 years, there was no project

862
01:37:25,650 --> 01:37:28,950
that ever came forward under that bonus.

863
01:37:29,350 --> 01:37:31,970
And so in 2018, the Council directed staff

864
01:37:31,970 --> 01:37:34,970
to look into what the obstacles were in the code.

865
01:37:35,350 --> 01:37:36,730
Why wasn't that enough?

866
01:37:36,850 --> 01:37:37,730
Why wasn't it working?

867
01:37:38,430 --> 01:37:41,150
And the city hired a consultant, Cascadia Partners,

868
01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:43,370
who came back and ran the numbers

869
01:37:43,370 --> 01:37:47,170
and showed just what it takes to incentivize

870
01:37:47,170 --> 01:37:49,450
private development and public private partnerships

871
01:37:49,450 --> 01:37:50,570
of affordable housing.

872
01:37:50,570 --> 01:37:57,010
and now we have the engine house approved and slated for development with 99 affordable units

873
01:37:57,010 --> 01:38:03,490
in 24 market rate and then the hope affordable master plan development, which is the holiday

874
01:38:03,490 --> 01:38:09,170
village and park side properties that will be redeveloped. It's proposed to be redeveloped in

875
01:38:09,170 --> 01:38:15,510
a phase to approach so that residents can be transferred on site and eventually we'll have 300

876
01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:17,670
in 17 affordable units.

877
01:38:19,710 --> 01:38:28,210
So why now? This image of Quincy Junction shows where things were when

878
01:38:28,210 --> 01:38:36,210
the 2014 general plan was adopted and this is Quincy Junction was a thousand acres at the time.

879
01:38:38,940 --> 01:38:45,240
Park City Heights was proposed. It wasn't under construction yet. Studio crossing

880
01:38:45,240 --> 01:38:55,340
Well, well, was the film studio and what was anticipated to be developed on that site was 374,000 square feet of commercial uses.

881
01:38:55,960 --> 01:39:10,660
Since that time, studio crossing has now been approved as a mixed use project that will bring around 185 affordable units and 100 market rate units mixed in with 60,000 feet of commercial.

882
01:39:10,660 --> 01:39:17,460
So, the future of this neighborhood has really will be shifting and it's time to reinvision

883
01:39:17,460 --> 01:39:21,540
what we currently have intended for this neighborhood.

884
01:39:23,320 --> 01:39:28,520
We also have the Southeast Quinn's Junction annexation which doubled the acreage in this neighborhood

885
01:39:28,520 --> 01:39:36,340
with the Clark Ranch and the Richardson Platt properties shown here with our ever expanding boundary.

886
01:39:38,520 --> 01:39:47,160
We also have an opportunity to go back to the community and see what the community input is.

887
01:39:47,660 --> 01:39:54,560
We finished the Vision 2020 report and one of the questions through the Vision 2020

888
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:59,920
visioning process was, what are the tangible and intangible-

889
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,380
Commence of the community that if lost would fundamentally change the character of Park City.

890
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:13,460
And the report establishes five strategic pillars and calls for a bold action.

891
01:40:14,080 --> 01:40:20,240
And those five pillars, environmental leadership, transportation, innovation, sustainable tourism, arts,

892
01:40:20,240 --> 01:40:23,600
culture, and local economy, and affordability and equity.

893
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:29,600
The 2009 visioning document was the foundation for the 2014 plan.

894
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:41,760
The 2020 visioning document is a starting place to go back into the community and to check in and see how this can apply to the way we plan for and use our land.

895
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:51,840
So back in September of last year, the direction given by the city council was to move forward with

896
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,960
of important planning initiatives, the Bananza Park,

897
01:40:55,960 --> 01:40:58,960
neighborhood plan, which is about 200 acres

898
01:40:58,960 --> 01:41:03,980
where we will see redevelopment in the coming years.

899
01:41:04,320 --> 01:41:06,180
And this is a really key opportunity

900
01:41:06,180 --> 01:41:08,020
to go out to the community,

901
01:41:08,740 --> 01:41:12,060
getting input on what the future of this neighborhood

902
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:15,000
can look like, establish a plan, get it in place,

903
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:16,380
and then move forward.

904
01:41:16,900 --> 01:41:19,360
And within that neighborhood,

905
01:41:19,360 --> 01:41:25,980
the five acresite owned by the city. Also going out to the community and finding out what

906
01:41:27,220 --> 01:41:34,980
the hope for is for this property. We know from the phase one results that the

907
01:41:34,980 --> 01:41:40,580
community is identified. This is a place for locals moving through the neighborhood. Could be safer

908
01:41:40,580 --> 01:41:46,920
and more intuitive and there are opportunities for pedestrian bike connections. Workforce housing is needed

909
01:41:46,920 --> 01:42:05,360
And then this could be the right place for density and height and as we move into phase two will be looking at different scenarios going out to the community getting input on what what scenarios they would and would not like to see in this neighborhood and then move into phase three.

910
01:42:05,760 --> 01:42:11,340
These planning initiatives are scheduled to wrap up in March of next year.

911
01:42:11,340 --> 01:42:19,940
And so what we're proposing to do is to obtain consultant services and issue a request for proposals this fall.

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01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:30,560
And then go through the selection process and come back to the City Council with a recommendation in January of next year.

913
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:53,500
What that would allow the consultants to do would be to complete existing conditions while the Bananasah Park neighborhood plan is being completed and then to initiate community engagement in May of 2024 starting at the neighborhood level and then moving into the community at large.

914
01:42:54,220 --> 01:43:01,980
We would set a goal to work toward a draft document by the fall with potential public hearings

915
01:43:01,980 --> 01:43:12,640
with the Planning Commission at the end of next year and a draft, a recommended draft for city council review in early 2025.

916
01:43:14,600 --> 01:43:20,600
So that gives an overview of where we are in the planning processes and where we're planning to go.

917
01:43:20,600 --> 01:43:25,280
We'd like to check in and I'm happy to answer any questions.

918
01:43:30,780 --> 01:43:35,520
I feel like I had a good understanding of that, but that was really good to put it in context,

919
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:42,680
especially of the old general plans. Thanks Rebecca. One kind of sort of a knit question,

920
01:43:42,840 --> 01:43:47,500
but could become a big question about general plans. As I think the legislature, as you mentioned,

921
01:43:47,620 --> 01:43:53,620
the staff report is looking seriously at making general plans binding, which would have really wide

922
01:43:53,620 --> 01:43:55,500
ranging effect on a lot of things.

923
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:59,800
And I was wondering if we, as a matter for future consideration,

924
01:44:00,100 --> 01:44:02,500
should we think about an amendment to the current general plan

925
01:44:02,500 --> 01:44:05,600
to sort of address the degree to which it

926
01:44:05,600 --> 01:44:08,860
differs the land management code and it's self-binding

927
01:44:08,860 --> 01:44:10,640
that documents nine years old.

928
01:44:10,700 --> 01:44:13,320
And you can get into a lot of squirrely fights

929
01:44:13,320 --> 01:44:15,180
about what that general plan says

930
01:44:15,180 --> 01:44:16,840
if you're looking to do development.

931
01:44:17,220 --> 01:44:19,540
So it's curious about your perspective on that.

932
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:22,900
Thank you, and that's something we'll be following very closely

933
01:44:22,900 --> 01:44:31,760
the next legislative session, I think that's an interesting idea to have something as that develops

934
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:39,600
through the legislative session that if needed we could go through and do a short term supplement

935
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:47,720
to the general plan that might clarify some of those areas. Okay. Two questions for you.

936
01:44:47,820 --> 01:44:52,880
Are we still thinking that the general plan will be a smaller document than it is now

937
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:59,900
The general plan right now is very comprehensive, which is a...

938
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:14,500
Great, it's great. But it is two volumes. And what we're hoping is that the content can be consolidated and a little easier to navigate in one volume.

939
01:45:14,500 --> 01:45:21,960
Okay, and you had a Y now, a session, which I appreciate with the Quincy neighborhood, and what is the community want?

940
01:45:22,900 --> 01:45:31,760
What do you take from the planning department as items that would continue to stay? Like, we're on the right path in these specific areas from the original general plan.

941
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:43,660
I think that would be an interesting question when we first go out at the community level, because I think we do have the residential neighborhoods where

942
01:45:43,660 --> 01:45:47,560
there may not be much recommended change,

943
01:45:48,200 --> 01:45:51,760
but then we have, at the tail end of Bananza Park,

944
01:45:51,860 --> 01:45:53,840
potentially the prospect or neighborhood.

945
01:45:55,660 --> 01:45:58,700
And so as we go out at a neighborhood level

946
01:45:58,700 --> 01:46:03,200
to get some input on where the pressures

947
01:46:03,200 --> 01:46:05,060
or desire changes are.

948
01:46:05,480 --> 01:46:08,340
Okay, yeah, the reason I ask is I think of one

949
01:46:08,340 --> 01:46:10,720
that's interesting, almost coming full circle

950
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:16,980
where there was an innovative idea of doing these like trolley cars across your value drive and

951
01:46:16,980 --> 01:46:20,020
up towards me straight and I think we're looking at some of these like big bold solutions

952
01:46:20,020 --> 01:46:26,580
for transportation that take decades to come to fruition. So I guess one question going into

953
01:46:26,580 --> 01:46:33,100
it would be is this a document we want to I know that we continually have to update but are we

954
01:46:33,100 --> 01:46:38,200
thinking too big when we go into these and we need to be thinking just the next decade or

955
01:46:38,980 --> 01:46:40,600
are we thinking Olympics?

956
01:46:41,100 --> 01:46:42,580
I mean, I just want to understand kind of

957
01:46:42,580 --> 01:46:43,620
because I look at that and I'm like,

958
01:46:43,740 --> 01:46:44,900
well, how these are great solutions,

959
01:46:45,320 --> 01:46:47,760
but we didn't move forward on a lot of these things.

960
01:46:48,740 --> 01:46:53,240
And I think that the general outlook is at least 10 years

961
01:46:53,240 --> 01:46:55,900
and then keeping the big picture in mind,

962
01:46:56,160 --> 01:46:59,900
but then acknowledging that there will be supplements

963
01:46:59,900 --> 01:47:02,620
and updates to the plan right now.

964
01:47:02,740 --> 01:47:05,660
We have Park City Forward, the Transportation Plan.

965
01:47:05,680 --> 01:47:07,920
That's a supplement to the general plan

966
01:47:07,920 --> 01:47:17,560
And then also by state requirements, our moderate income housing plan, that will need to be continually updated every five years.

967
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:23,140
So I think keeping the big picture, but making sure it's implementable.

968
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:24,480
Sorry.

969
01:47:24,780 --> 01:47:32,820
Well, you have an Olympic focus, even though we haven't been granted to the Olympics in your RFP, thinking bigger picture of this.

970
01:47:32,820 --> 01:47:39,280
So the RFP does acknowledge a potential, you know, potential Olympics on the horizon.

971
01:47:39,800 --> 01:47:40,320
Yes, it's

972
01:47:43,710 --> 01:47:44,130
a thing.

973
01:47:44,230 --> 01:47:49,230
Yeah, a couple things specific to the procurement, then big picture.

974
01:47:50,790 --> 01:47:53,930
In there, it looked like we were only asking for a T&M type bid.

975
01:47:54,110 --> 01:47:57,990
And if we've considered a fixed fee for this with the outcomes of what we're trying to achieve,

976
01:47:58,130 --> 01:48:00,710
just to box it a little better and manage our resources.

977
01:48:00,710 --> 01:48:16,630
And the other one was the scoring criteria, it looked like requirements and outcomes was only 15% and the rest was other stuff, would urge staff to look at that and see, you know, is that more important?

978
01:48:17,650 --> 01:48:31,180
It feels like it's a little light. Big picture building on the comment earlier, and I don't know the best way to go about this, but it's like here's another thing we're going to add on the list for the planning department.

979
01:48:31,180 --> 01:48:35,600
right and get it's an RFP, but someone's got a manager, someone's got to evaluate it, someone's

980
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:36,660
got to work with the consultants.

981
01:48:38,720 --> 01:48:41,840
They would be really helpful, I think, for the council,

982
01:48:42,740 --> 01:48:46,120
to see from planning, all right, here's all the stuff you've asked us to do,

983
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:51,900
here's what we're in flight on, here's when we think we'll finish it based on our capacity, right,

984
01:48:51,900 --> 01:48:54,860
here's the stuff we haven't started because we're busy doing the in flight stuff,

985
01:48:56,400 --> 01:49:18,640
And get a recommendation of prioritizing for our sort of as-built current capacity with the context being if you want us to do more or accelerate, you know, this is where we go next. We either need to add people or we need to hire more consultants or whatever the case is or scale back on the engagement.

986
01:49:18,640 --> 01:49:38,640
I mean, right, there's a lot of different levers we can pull, right now it feels like we keep throwing stuff at the planning department without the right expectation of when it comes back and a lot of that stuff when it comes back if we prioritize it efficiently could help increase that capacity exponentially, right?

987
01:49:38,640 --> 01:49:44,240
I don't know. We seem to be missing that piece if it's something that can come back to

988
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:50,240
a council meeting of people supported or if it's for the next retreat or what not. But

989
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:56,180
and I'd love your opinion too on this, if that's the case and we just keep stacking, stacking,

990
01:49:56,180 --> 01:49:59,920
stacking without being clear where those.

991
01:50:00,340 --> 01:50:03,360
Where we fit in the capacity box, let's say.

992
01:50:04,280 --> 01:50:17,180
That's helpful. And this has been on the horizon now in a way that we've been able to structure internally, and re-organize within the team.

993
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:19,940
So that's something that we can provide information.

994
01:50:22,400 --> 01:50:25,580
I'm in bigger picture even, right? Like this is one line item on there.

995
01:50:25,580 --> 01:50:27,260
And absolutely agree this should move forward,

996
01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:31,300
super supportive might be a better question

997
01:50:31,300 --> 01:50:33,980
for that and the end of work through.

998
01:50:37,300 --> 01:50:39,840
Sort of like understanding when we layer something

999
01:50:39,840 --> 01:50:43,400
else on to planning, how does that shift,

1000
01:50:43,580 --> 01:50:45,680
how does that shift the list, what falls off,

1001
01:50:45,740 --> 01:50:47,040
where do things go?

1002
01:50:48,740 --> 01:50:50,320
I sort of have this understanding.

1003
01:50:50,420 --> 01:50:52,100
I think similarly of what's in process,

1004
01:50:52,540 --> 01:50:54,940
but not necessarily how it fits together

1005
01:50:54,940 --> 01:51:00,640
and how that matches up to your capacity or projects for applications, and that would be helpful,

1006
01:51:00,840 --> 01:51:07,440
I think, in terms of really just making sure we're not overloading you or under-resourcing

1007
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:09,780
you if we have a lot of priorities in planning.

1008
01:51:11,800 --> 01:51:15,100
Yeah, I think that these are good points right here,

1009
01:51:15,780 --> 01:51:20,520
that, you know, overloading staff, you guys are getting ready to have new council members,

1010
01:51:20,520 --> 01:51:46,960
We just went through this once and quite frankly, a lot of the requests that came in the first year were things that were requested by new council members because they weren't up to speed on everything and so we got a bit of a backlog because of that is not to say that it's not necessary or that you shouldn't have all that information but you're about to go through that process again and so I think your request is

1011
01:51:46,960 --> 01:51:52,420
good is the timing is right right get a less so that we understand where we are so that when new

1012
01:51:52,420 --> 01:51:58,280
council members come in and ask for more information on something they can see where it is on

1013
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:03,080
the priority list and then they can ask specifically for it to be raised or lowered where we did not

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have that the last time. So I think that that makes sense right now. As for the general plan update,

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I mean, I'm looking forward to watching it from the outside.

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I also, you know, I'm looking at these highlights from 2014 or from the goals and objectives and strategies and I'm having a hard time thinking that we're going to come up with new buckets, right?

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Because these things all seem to resonate with our residents as it is, so I'm really looking forward to seeing how people respond to what we have had in the past

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And how they're going to come up with something better than a small town, natural setting, sense of community, historic character.

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I mean, these are things that we all understand and identify with as residents in Park City.

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And for something to knock one of these off the list, it's going to have to be pretty compelling in my mind.

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So I look forward to that process.

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I really like your suggestion, Jeremy, that we go ahead now.

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And Rebecca, I'll be happy to work with you on that.

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just see what all is on the plate of a planning commission. I do want to compliment you on the

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timeline that that you've come up with. I was on the planning commission in 2014 when the

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general plan was done and it was a several year internal project and it was arduous and you know

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we thought we'd never get done with it. And so I think that you're wise to bring in some outside

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help to do that, and it can get done in a year. It looks like, so I commend you on that.

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And I also like the piece that after that's completed, you're going to go back and look at the

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land management code to make sure that those bit aligns with the new general plan,

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because that didn't happen last time. I think we're still making corrections for that.

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Yeah, I agree. I agree with Nan that piece is really important. I know that there was a lot of

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struggle, getting some of our more sustainable goals,

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sustainability oriental goals, windows and solar,

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and things like that integrated into the code

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to help us move forward.

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So I do hope that if there are pieces of the general plan

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that are forward thinking that you pull those to the top

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of for LMC adjustments so that you can make sure

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that we are being responsible to future generations.

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Okay, I'm thank you.

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Matt, that is city-minute.

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I'm just going to poke my nose in here because I see an opportunity and maybe get some additional

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direction and clarity.

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To Rebecca's point, and you picked up on it, the last general plan took several years

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to complete and was incredibly comprehensive, and I'd argue it was a little bit of a

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Anything. It was a strategic plan. It was a general plan. It was an update for land use decision-making. And I think there's an opportunity from what I'm hearing here Rebecca, obviously review our workload with the mayor. But perhaps get direction to harness the effort a little and at least initially focus more on the statutory requirements and the land use aspect of the general plan.

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and maybe a tad less on the broad super comprehensive sort of tactical plan, strategic plan,

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land use plan that the existing general plan is. I would argue, you know, we could get it done

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faster to Ryan Dickie's point. It probably provides us a little bit more latitude with the legislature

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moving forward and maybe it's a little less load on our workforce too and our staff about doing

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a multi-year initiative, as opposed to a little bit of a smaller exercise that's really

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focused on the statutory requirements.

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And as I'm saying that I'm realizing you probably don't have the definition to make that

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decision now, but maybe that's something that we can come back with, there's sort of those

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two alternatives.

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Alternative one is the state we've done before, very, very comprehensive.

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It's tactical.

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It's strategic.

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It's land use.

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It's everything.

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doing number two is statutory what's required and then and then maybe an item or two that we'd

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want to add to it because Park City is so unique and we are working so hard to protect it.

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But that'd be okay.

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I think that's really smart.

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And to bring back those definitions and let us compare that.

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Yeah, because you don't have the information to make that now.

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But I'm hearing that you're open to that and it sure would light in our load long term.

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Right.

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clear that we want to prioritize those things and sort of a potential dual phase approach

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harness, you know, folks who have done this and do this for a living to make a recommendation,

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how to piece it out, to accomplish what you just described. All right, so Rebecca, I stepped

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on your toes. Do you think that works for, you know, the merits, does that work for you in the

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the planners, do you think? Yeah. Okay. That will work. That's great. That's great.

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That's

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move on now to the Historic Potential Historic Park City area plan.

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Apologies, it says my screen share is loading.

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It just keeps crashing over and over every time I try to screen share.

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Let's run.

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And

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I get a different laptop, I think someone else is like,

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I think

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I'm

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like,

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what snack is next?

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I think we can see the presentation now. My apologies. I received, I got a new computer yesterday,

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and every time I attempted to screen-chair the Zoom was crashing, so we're going to

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to the older hardware that's seemingly more reliable.

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Thank you for the time this morning.

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This is Eric Dana's economic development and data analytics

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for the public record.

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And before we start on the conversation today,

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I do have a little bit of a preamble that I wanted to mention.

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Occasionally in the staff report,

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and even in the conversation today,

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I sometimes use the phrase historic park city,

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Old Town and Main Street, and I know that in the community these phrases have some specific definition and meaning, so if I miss speak or reuse different terms to mean the same things at different times.

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My apologies, but I'm generally talking about Park City's historic core as part of the conversation today.

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And then, secondly, I wanted to mention that the intent is to provide sort of a recent

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history of Main Street investments and some contacts for current economic conditions

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in the Old Town Corps and then lastly to ask the council the question about how they

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would like the staff to proceed with potential future investments in that same area.

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And then lastly, I wanted to mention that today I'm presenting, but this report was a staff

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collaboration across many, many departments and multiple managers that helped educate me on the history and current needs of the mainstream areas.

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I wanted to say that while I'm up here, it's the effort of a team behind this that you're seeing today. So moving forward, the key headline that I'd like you to have in your head is that some things in life you have to do and then some things in life you can do. So we believe that renewed investment in Mainstreet is needed.

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And I think obviously recent history provides examples, but that that need has perhaps been

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building for some time, and that there are opportunities for systematic infrastructure

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reinvestment, regardless of the council's vision for any future vertical asset development

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or economic development opportunities.

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And then the second question that we want to ask you today is, is, you know, a discussion

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about what I would call discretionary opportunities, but may still create value for the community.

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Before we go forward to those questions, I do want to provide a recent look back.

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So over the previous, let's say 15, 16 years, the history of investment in Main Street is there

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with over $20 million of combined investment coming from two primary sources or vehicles.

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The last instantiation of the Main Street RDA was in 2005 that vehicle expired in 2021 but over its lifetime provided funding of $10 million into the Main Street Core.

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And then since 2012 the additional resort city sales tax has also been used to provide infrastructure investment in the street and the surrounding area.

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And that tax of course has not been exclusively used in the old town core, but it has been deployed primarily for open space and downtown investments.

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Diving a little bit deeper into the history, the recent history of the Main Street RDA.

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I surface this in your staff report and in the presentation today because we want to provide as much transparency and visibility as we can into where that money came from and where it went.

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So the way RDA's work is you gather a bunch of governmental entities to participate with you in the last version of the Main Street RDA.

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We had a significant participation from the Park City School District Summit County Park City Fire District.

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And then there were a few other taxing entities like the mosquito abatement district, which is not a significant slice of the revenue but still did participate with us.

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That provided revenue for approximately $10 million of debt proceeds.

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We took that revenue as collateral into sales tax revenue bond that provided funding for multiple projects.

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But as you'll see in the chart on the left, the biggest slice was that $10 million for the Main Street RDA.

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Of that, 10 million, the biggest portion of that went into expenses associated with China Bridge and parking infrastructure

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in this part of town and additional funding went toward some downtown revitalization projects,

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which means sort of like pocket parks and walkways and then old town stairs.

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There is a nominal remaining balance in this fund even though the RDA is closed down as a vehicle for revenue.

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It does still have some remaining minor balances and those are programmed for old town stairs projects.

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Next up, the additional resort city sales tax, this is probably too much to absorb in a presentation, but is provided in the staff report.

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I've highlighted all the lines in green are expenses associated with the downtown core or streets approximate to downtown.

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So as you'll see in the information provided the additional resort city sales tags also collateralizes multiple sales tags revenue bonds and then there is additional free cash every year that arises from that revenue stream.

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Combining the two sources of expense cash and debt we have spent most the majority of that funding has of course gone to open space acquisition and was part of the deal associated with treasure hill.

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I've been said that there are additional investments that have occurred, and this is a primary funding source for what's referred to as Otis, but that stands for Old Town Infrastructure and Streets, I believe it's actually studies, but I may be miss quoting there.

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This money was also used to help pay for the granite sidewalk uplift that occurred and you'll see later on we'll have a little discussion that that granite sidewalk project was also used to improve telecom and natural gas utilities in the mainstream.

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Yeah. So the total of these green lines is the $10.6 million from additional resort city sales tax.

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Hey, Eric kind of jump in to ask you on the RDA, the the 60% participation rate on the corresponding property taxes, is that just an allocation of existing taxes, or has an additional tax now fallen off in 2021 from RDA. I can't.

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Yeah, that works. Yeah. So there's no additional tax. It's just a it's just a reader.

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direction of where the tax revenue is going if that makes sense.

1141
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So then specifically, your marks at two are, yeah, that's correct.

1142
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Yeah, so you draw geographic boundary around a specific parcel or a specific area of the city.

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The taxing entities that have jurisdiction in that region agree to give up 60% of their revenues that they otherwise would have received from the assets in that region.

1144
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So if you have, you know, if there's a, if there's a small hotel,

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instead of all of the revenues associated with that going to the school district they say will just take 40% of that will give you 60% and what you should do with that is incentivize further asset growth such that 15 years down the line we're now receiving more revenue than we otherwise would have if we didn't play ball with you.

1146
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But there is no new increment from that.

1147
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It's just a reallocation of existing taxes.

1148
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And then the last thing I'll say with that is historically

1149
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PCMC has always provided a mitigation payment

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to the Park City School District on two of its rates

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that were initially part of that, 60%.

1152
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So they realized the number that's lower than 60,

1153
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excuse me, they gave up less than 60% impractice.

1154
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Yeah.

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And that's also the case with the lower park RDA.

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That's still happening today.

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Moving on to what I'll call, we're moving from history now to the current moment.

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We wanted to provide a little bit of an update on the current economic trends associated with Main Street.

1159
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And the main headline here is that the revenue growth of Main Street is still on a positive trend,

1160
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but it's losing market share.

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So there have been two significant forces that were not as the same as in 2009, there have been two changes all say that have grown and while Main Street's rate of growth has been more steady.

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The big two forces that play are the growth of Dear Valley as a significant revenue contributor and source of business.

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And then what is labeled in this chart is indirect point of sale that comes to us classify that comes to us classified as such from the state and what it means is online sales, but also sales and use taxes that are associated with payments to businesses that are not based in Park City.

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So you'll be surprised, but if you have a outie lease and outie is not a business that's from Park City, that is counted as an indirect point of sale use.

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That would be the excuse me.

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That's the Trider Mountain segment.

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So Main Street and if we look back ten years Main Street was usually at the top or above excuse me,

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at or competitive with the other top sectors of the segments of the city

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and that divergence over time has been happening.

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I'll say one other observation, you'll see a significant hit to Diwali during the COVID period,

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but they've rebounded and are at or above the previous trend at this stage.

1172
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Can you define entryway?

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Entryway would be your snow creek to kind of jams area if that makes sense.

1174
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Yep.

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Then looking at visitor visitors to the core directly, this doesn't perfectly correlate with sales revenues,

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but it is an indicator of the path of potential sales revenues. The headline here is that as other

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sectors of the city saw significant bumps associated with COVID, Main Street did as well,

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but since that period in time, the visitor volume in the Main Street Corps is fading.

1179
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So the geographic region that I've defined for this chart is actually Main Street itself,

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So very specific to the, um, the boundary being suede and excuse me, low, low, low, low, or no,

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park out. I'm sorry. Um, and so one of the things that we've seen is that the businesses were

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able to price up. They had pricing power over the course of the previous few years. They were able to

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hedge inflation by increasing that price for transaction, but at some stage you need

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People to actually conduct those transactions. And if your people number is heading in the wrong direction, inevitably, at some point in time, you're revenue number heads in the same direction.

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The last thing I wanted to cite and just provide some information for you is that, of course,

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Park City customers are actually a significant, they are a relatively significant customer

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to mainstream relative to their population size, but they still comprise only about 10%

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of visitation to the street. The significant, the single largest customer base is Wassage

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front, and then it's also very important to preserve the business that comes from California

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Florida, Texas, and the other large metropolitan course that you consistently see across all

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major destinations of Park City. So any potential future plan I believe should recognize this seek to

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preserve it and or enhance our key customers.

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Looking forward now, I will mention some opportunities

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which is to look at what I call underutilized assets. This is a very specific metric that I'm using

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And it does not necessarily recognize other qualitative uses of land, so I want to be very clear about that ahead of time.

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But one solid filter, if you will, for looking at land use efficiency in a community, is to look at the market value per acre of that land.

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And so over the course of the previous several months, the my department and the city's technology department have actually been collaborating on data science infrastructure.

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And one of the first products, if you will, that we've been able to produce with that new infrastructure is synchronized every night with the state database.

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We can do this for actually every parcel and every county in the state of Utah, if we wish, I've created a dashboard specific to Park City for your review.

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And this is what I'll call just a high level start for an analysis, analysis on where you may have potential asset efficiency and where you may have underutilized assets.

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So if the public, any member of the public can go to this dashboard today and download all of the data associated with it.

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I mostly wanted to highlight this to the council as well to say this staff does what we say we're going to do.

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So you provided $150,000 for us in the FY2030 budget for data science tools.

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We've used less than half of that to get the product that we needed, the tools that we needed.

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And I will say we have what I'll call a contemporary modern data science tool kit that allows us to do

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things that we could not do before. So this is a small product, but look for more public dashboards

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like this in the future. And we can expand the capability of analysis now with the much more,

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I would say seamless effort that we could be for it.

1209
02:18:00,010 --> 02:18:07,590
So now looking ahead, the key questions that you may want to have in your mind or the infrastructure needs of the street.

1210
02:18:07,990 --> 02:18:12,330
These are the elements that I said are the things in life you have to do.

1211
02:18:13,090 --> 02:18:20,010
And you can feel free to disagree with the categorization here, but that's the the thematic message I'm trying to share.

1212
02:18:20,010 --> 02:18:26,410
And we're quite well aware that one of those significant needs is water infrastructure in the street.

1213
02:18:26,750 --> 02:18:33,250
Working with our public utilities director, we can see that there's likely a need for systematic

1214
02:18:33,250 --> 02:18:36,070
replacement of main lines and laterals on the street.

1215
02:18:36,690 --> 02:18:40,430
That's a project that would likely require more than ten million dollars of funding

1216
02:18:40,430 --> 02:18:43,570
and could be possibly two or three season efforts.

1217
02:18:44,570 --> 02:18:48,250
At the same time, we would take storm water improvements into that effort

1218
02:18:48,250 --> 02:18:53,290
and would collaborate with Snyderville Basin water reclamation district to replace sewer lines,

1219
02:18:53,970 --> 02:19:01,730
as our staff would be improving the water lines. I mentioned previously that the granite sidewalk

1220
02:19:01,730 --> 02:19:06,450
project provided uplift for the natural gas electrical and telecom utilities in the street,

1221
02:19:06,490 --> 02:19:12,250
that's actually very a good thing and many of those elements are in solid condition. However,

1222
02:19:12,470 --> 02:19:17,810
that works stopped at Heber because there was no granite sidewalk improvement on lower main.

1223
02:19:17,810 --> 02:19:20,810
That could be an interesting conversation for the future.

1224
02:19:21,230 --> 02:19:25,870
Also, mention that lower main is more contemporary than upper main, because it's construction

1225
02:19:25,870 --> 02:19:31,590
just came more recently in history, so the need at the time was not as severe, but it could

1226
02:19:31,590 --> 02:19:37,090
again be taken into a future analysis. Working with our public work, our public work

1227
02:19:37,090 --> 02:19:44,150
director, I understand that there's a needed crown correction, grind significant street improvements,

1228
02:19:44,150 --> 02:19:49,930
barring any change in vehicle traffic use, we could do temporary extensions, which would be something

1229
02:19:49,930 --> 02:19:54,750
like a seal coat, but at the end of the day you can look at the condition of the street and see

1230
02:19:54,750 --> 02:19:59,910
that it needs some help. Parking maintenance, we always, we always,

1231
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:09,680
Deak to assess the state of good repair on some of our key assets to our engineering team is looking at a condition assessment on the China Bridge parking infrastructure itself.

1232
02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:22,440
And then I will mention that Council, I mean, you'll you'll recall that you recently took action to approve waste management contracts for the street within, you know, recent history.

1233
02:20:24,010 --> 02:20:29,570
Then looking to the future, some of the key questions that could be asked in a potential

1234
02:20:29,570 --> 02:20:37,410
area plan are in the following, but I'll also say that the value proposition that is coming

1235
02:20:37,410 --> 02:20:43,990
from staff or asking for your consideration is that an area plan would be a supplement and

1236
02:20:43,990 --> 02:20:49,750
a complement to the general plan. It would not replicate the same high level analysis. We believe

1237
02:20:49,750 --> 02:20:56,390
the opportunity in the area plan is to go into more detail. So it would be something to the effect of

1238
02:20:56,390 --> 02:21:03,270
looking at traffic flows, looking at specific sites and feasibility analysis with certain redevelopment.

1239
02:21:04,430 --> 02:21:09,930
And of course, the existing form of the historic core is not likely to change a lot. So we don't

1240
02:21:09,930 --> 02:21:17,410
expect an area plan to make significant recommendations associated with changing zones or forms

1241
02:21:17,410 --> 02:21:25,270
that's not something that would likely come out of that project, but the list of opportunities

1242
02:21:25,270 --> 02:21:31,050
is here. I'll also just close some of those points, and I'm not going to read the whole

1243
02:21:31,050 --> 02:21:36,730
site to you, but I'll say that I believe that Main Street has on the order of a billion dollars

1244
02:21:36,730 --> 02:21:44,250
of additional asset value potential. That growth can complement the existing forms and uses of Main

1245
02:21:44,250 --> 02:21:47,890
Street, and that that would seek to preserve

1246
02:21:47,890 --> 02:21:51,370
visitation and improve the velocity of transactions in the core.

1247
02:21:52,150 --> 02:21:55,190
So we would be seeking, it would be complimentary

1248
02:21:55,190 --> 02:21:57,970
to the existing businesses, and that would be the target

1249
02:21:57,970 --> 02:22:01,110
of potential future growth in that area.

1250
02:22:01,630 --> 02:22:05,410
The last thing I'll say is that this is not a zero-sum game.

1251
02:22:05,550 --> 02:22:09,290
So I believe that you can seek to improve one part of town

1252
02:22:09,290 --> 02:22:12,570
and it does not need to be at the cost of other parts of town.

1253
02:22:12,570 --> 02:22:26,810
And I think those are the key things I'd like to leave you with, and we have a appendix, but I'll say I'm ready for questions and any questions that you have or discussion.

1254
02:22:30,740 --> 02:22:37,020
Oh, sorry. I drafted potential options, but I think you can we can talk through them.

1255
02:22:42,840 --> 02:22:47,820
Well, when we look at the options, because these are the same ones that we're in the report.

1256
02:22:47,820 --> 02:22:49,040
to mention. Yeah.

1257
02:22:51,440 --> 02:22:56,340
And really boiling it down. It seems like we're asking should we be reactive

1258
02:22:56,340 --> 02:23:01,800
or proactive from an infrastructure standpoint. And then we have this other question around

1259
02:23:02,380 --> 02:23:07,820
future improvements area planning, you know, how do we accommodate what's coming.

1260
02:23:09,480 --> 02:23:15,820
In terms of the proactive on infrastructure question, has there yet been analysis done

1261
02:23:15,820 --> 02:23:19,040
on sort of answering the how proactive.

1262
02:23:21,480 --> 02:23:26,820
So we have the experience of the on the ground conditions,

1263
02:23:28,380 --> 02:23:32,140
a deeper analysis on providing specifics

1264
02:23:32,140 --> 02:23:35,320
of the cost of those, the elements that would need replacement.

1265
02:23:35,520 --> 02:23:38,040
That's an effort that I think would still need

1266
02:23:38,040 --> 02:23:38,880
to be undertaken.

1267
02:23:40,520 --> 02:23:43,460
Is that a, maybe it's the previous slide

1268
02:23:43,460 --> 02:23:45,680
that starts to answer it

1269
02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:53,000
and it's the evolution of that to say we can do these things as a building block because

1270
02:23:53,000 --> 02:23:56,820
there's a waterline in the middle of the street and we're assuming there's always going to be

1271
02:23:56,820 --> 02:24:03,060
a street there so it's safe to proceed with that. Versus we're going to do something where the

1272
02:24:03,060 --> 02:24:08,960
sidewalk meets the street and we don't really know the results of the area plan and if that sidewalk

1273
02:24:08,960 --> 02:24:15,820
might become wider or narrower, you know, whatever the outcome is. We might want to hold off on that

1274
02:24:15,820 --> 02:24:23,220
project so we don't do something twice. That's I think that's the key point that we're seeking

1275
02:24:23,220 --> 02:24:29,320
to raise is if you if you wish to preserve the existing form, there are activities that could happen

1276
02:24:29,320 --> 02:24:35,020
without risk. If future uses are going to be ball, we don't want to dig up the wrong thing.

1277
02:24:37,100 --> 02:24:53,680
Yeah, so it's maybe the next step in that what is preserved the existing form mean, right, and like, what are the safe boundaries there. Yeah, and we don't have an answer to that. Okay, so we're not at that point. No, we're seeing into your feedback on whether you'd like us to pursue a more specific answer.

1278
02:24:54,020 --> 02:24:59,400
And then the second question would be what we've talked about a few times now on capacity.

1279
02:25:00,500 --> 02:25:23,200
I mean, can we do this now? Like, do we have the people? Do we have this drawn out timing wise, given the demands of parks, stuff going on? The general plan we just talked about, the other list of priorities is staff comfortable saying, you know, if we give a thumbs up, would be in good shape or not?

1280
02:25:25,250 --> 02:25:39,610
And I believe this project would lean on myself, Jen and Rebecca, I think we're all comfortable that we can handle this in parallel with a general plan update, but in terms of the it would likely need to follow somewhat.

1281
02:25:40,790 --> 02:25:42,910
On the heels of the demands of part process.

1282
02:25:46,570 --> 02:25:47,610
Okay, thanks.

1283
02:25:48,810 --> 02:25:53,950
I guess the thing I've gone back and forth on my mind is a thought about this question is.

1284
02:25:53,950 --> 02:26:05,710
You know, just broadly speaking, the more, you know, small area plans we do, we're kind of planning in a silo when the interconnectivity among the neighborhoods is so important.

1285
02:26:06,210 --> 02:26:08,030
And are we missing something?

1286
02:26:09,510 --> 02:26:12,630
By having a, now we have a second small area plan.

1287
02:26:13,990 --> 02:26:18,150
And not just wrapping this work into the general plan at a higher level.

1288
02:26:18,150 --> 02:26:25,210
I'm seeing as you've laid it out, there are some really specific things around infrastructure

1289
02:26:27,330 --> 02:26:30,510
and maximizing assets that really wouldn't belong in a general plan.

1290
02:26:31,090 --> 02:26:38,770
For me, I think the inner connectivity between this work and the general plan is really important.

1291
02:26:40,090 --> 02:26:44,110
To make sure we don't miss those connections to how do people get to Main Street,

1292
02:26:44,110 --> 02:26:46,310
what's the connectivity between the neighborhoods and all

1293
02:26:46,310 --> 02:26:52,010
town, but the scope of work here does seem like a big opportunity

1294
02:26:52,010 --> 02:26:52,550
for us.

1295
02:26:52,850 --> 02:26:55,650
So I like the idea of this plan, you know, generally.

1296
02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:03,820
So is that leaning more toward the option to type, right?

1297
02:27:04,260 --> 02:27:08,000
No, I think I think option three, I'm sort of leaning towards

1298
02:27:08,000 --> 02:27:13,180
option three, but there has to be an interconnectivity between

1299
02:27:13,180 --> 02:27:18,380
And somehow, whether it's an interlock with the actual general plan work or how you actually

1300
02:27:18,380 --> 02:27:23,800
conduct a small area plan, then make sure you're not missing out on connections.

1301
02:27:31,260 --> 02:27:34,500
Oh, we're just expanding on the conversation there.

1302
02:27:34,640 --> 02:27:45,740
I guess one of my concerns with incorporating any future development or growth in the reading

1303
02:27:45,740 --> 02:27:52,260
this area into the general plan makes sense to me. The infrastructure needs, I mean, I think

1304
02:27:52,260 --> 02:27:57,780
you have a really good question here. What's our capacity? When we fix something, we want to fix

1305
02:27:57,780 --> 02:28:03,260
it so that it can handle potential future growth. But then do we not fix it because we're not

1306
02:28:03,260 --> 02:28:09,760
ready to contemplate that future growth right now? I do think that this particular area of town

1307
02:28:10,280 --> 02:28:14,920
has been through this a couple of times. NANDs been through that, that has been through it.

1308
02:28:14,920 --> 02:28:19,040
anybody's been in Park City for a long time has been through a number of different contemplated

1309
02:28:19,040 --> 02:28:21,600
growth options in the area,

1310
02:28:24,100 --> 02:28:27,920
all of which have sort of fallen flat because we can't get

1311
02:28:27,920 --> 02:28:37,060
an agreement and I would hate for other parts of our community where we have a much greater impact

1312
02:28:38,760 --> 02:28:47,120
that can be realized could get held up because of a main street plan, which, you know, as your chart shows,

1313
02:28:47,700 --> 02:28:56,060
is the most valuable part of our community. We have other areas that have a lot of potential, and as our community grows,

1314
02:28:56,200 --> 02:29:02,800
I think that those are the areas that need our focus. That said, I don't, we do have failing infrastructure in this area.

1315
02:29:02,800 --> 02:29:19,800
We do need to be proactive to your point, Jeremy, so figuring out how proactive is really important, I think, but if we are sort of handcuffed by, well, maybe we'll develop these parking lots and maybe we'll do now we need all this extra feedback.

1316
02:29:20,020 --> 02:29:31,860
We've heard from our community, the tired of these questions and I haven't heard really from any community members that they want to see Main Street get a ton more attention right now.

1317
02:29:31,860 --> 02:29:38,020
other than infrastructure upgrades. Everybody's talking about bananas apart. Granted, we've been put

1318
02:29:38,020 --> 02:29:43,340
putting that out in front of everybody, but that is clearly the blaring piece that needs our

1319
02:29:43,340 --> 02:29:48,500
direct attention and Jeremy to points earlier. Find departments stretched. We don't have the

1320
02:29:48,500 --> 02:29:55,860
resources to actually contemplate everything that we could potentially do. So is there an option to

1321
02:29:55,860 --> 02:29:59,940
here that, like I'm kind of landing in the option too.

1322
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:21,980
One, a, two, zone, just because I don't want to get distracted from the positive progress that we're having in these other areas that have far greater positive impact potential than what we're talking about up on Main Street because we've kicked this can so many different times and we can kind of predict how it's going to go.

1323
02:30:21,980 --> 02:30:29,260
I would hate for this to be the ball and chain that drag down other really progressive work that we're doing.

1324
02:30:29,740 --> 02:30:31,400
Just add on to that real quick.

1325
02:30:32,900 --> 02:30:42,160
I agree with everything Max just said in terms of priorities and the way I'm looking at this is kind of what's next after Benanza Park.

1326
02:30:45,400 --> 02:30:56,140
Also, we'll caveat that with, I think we can learn from the Binance of Park process, and we have done this a lot.

1327
02:30:56,320 --> 02:31:05,460
We have a lot of material to rely on, bringing in new thought and new ideas as times change is always a good thing and evolving is always a good thing.

1328
02:31:07,340 --> 02:31:13,360
If we do go more towards an option, like, let's say, towards the option three side of the spectrum,

1329
02:31:14,260 --> 02:31:20,480
I'd hope that any efforts here would be a little more tangible at the onset, right?

1330
02:31:20,480 --> 02:31:26,320
So that we're not going to the community and asking everyone to dream big and do some blue sky exercise.

1331
02:31:26,640 --> 02:31:28,780
And then spend months refining it.

1332
02:31:28,960 --> 02:31:32,200
And then, months after that, we get to a concept, right?

1333
02:31:32,200 --> 02:31:38,080
There's certain places in town where that makes sense, given all the work that's already been put into this area of town.

1334
02:31:38,600 --> 02:31:47,180
I'd hope that we could start further along that spectrum where what we're really doing and if it's staff that does it or if it's a consultant that does it.

1335
02:31:47,340 --> 02:31:52,000
Bringing forward ideas saying here's what we think good looks like.

1336
02:31:52,420 --> 02:32:00,260
Here's where we have some opportunities and we'd like to explore further, but it's a much more narrow scope and a much more narrow focus.

1337
02:32:00,260 --> 02:32:08,460
So that we can actually accomplish it without kicking the can and just having a bunch of people argue about what their vision of good looks like.

1338
02:32:08,820 --> 02:32:13,100
We need to be really clear in those outcomes and and how we get there.

1339
02:32:13,380 --> 02:32:18,840
Otherwise, I'd lean away from it to be honest because I think we would end up in the same place where we're going to do another study.

1340
02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:23,320
Have a bunch of ideas and have a hard time executing on them.

1341
02:32:23,320 --> 02:32:31,220
Yeah. So to go to Max's point and Jeremy's point, the way I look at this is it's, it is,

1342
02:32:31,220 --> 02:32:33,980
it's Park City's Main Street. It's our community,

1343
02:32:35,420 --> 02:32:39,300
everyone who's part of the community would be part of this conversation. It wouldn't be specific

1344
02:32:39,300 --> 02:32:45,540
to one group or to one stakeholder organization. I would, I would see it being very similar to what

1345
02:32:45,540 --> 02:32:52,280
we're doing at Benanza and having as much community involvement as possible. I think we need to be

1346
02:32:52,280 --> 02:32:57,500
cognizant that the Olympics are more than likely coming and we want to make sure that we are

1347
02:32:57,500 --> 02:33:03,460
not five years behind or ten years behind when they decide where things are going to go.

1348
02:33:03,540 --> 02:33:07,380
Do we want to continue to have Main Street be the hub of the Olympics or what it may be

1349
02:33:07,380 --> 02:33:13,280
go to Mayflower because Mayflower's new or Canyons has built something. And so I want to be sure

1350
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:19,700
we're thinking five to ten, fifteen years ahead. And then also this group just said that

1351
02:33:19,700 --> 02:33:24,520
including myself on record that we were not in favor of building more parking in town.

1352
02:33:24,660 --> 02:33:29,240
So I think that that's a big indication that we're maybe interested in looking at how much

1353
02:33:29,240 --> 02:33:34,340
parking we have in Old Town and how much parking we have on Main Street and how often is

1354
02:33:34,340 --> 02:33:38,300
our turn-of-bridge full, basically Sundays of Silly Market and a few times during the winter.

1355
02:33:39,000 --> 02:33:45,900
So re-looking at our parking lots, which are the most underutilized and as Eric went to

1356
02:33:45,900 --> 02:33:51,240
expensive property in town with so much potential. I think it's a great opportunity for us.

1357
02:33:51,740 --> 02:33:56,820
I don't think it's just doing something for individual businesses. I think it's doing something

1358
02:33:56,820 --> 02:34:02,260
for the community as a whole. And maintaining this is the economic driver of our town.

1359
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:11,980
Well, I appreciate a lot of that. And I think it is really exciting that Main Street businesses

1360
02:34:11,980 --> 02:34:17,020
are looking at doing different things with their parking because I know for many years. That's

1361
02:34:17,020 --> 02:34:24,760
really divisive. I, when I look at the two pieces, the, you know, the infrastructure needs,

1362
02:34:25,780 --> 02:34:32,820
I have heard a lot about the, the, the type-spraking and electrical needs going down,

1363
02:34:32,860 --> 02:34:36,900
and especially when that happens during some of our busy seasons or leading up to

1364
02:34:36,900 --> 02:34:41,540
our busy seasons that can really make or break some of our small businesses. I think it's really

1365
02:34:41,540 --> 02:34:47,540
important that we do address those, and we address those as soon as possible, some of

1366
02:34:47,540 --> 02:34:54,480
that, yeah, the water, and that, that's kind of an absolutely needs to have. Some of the other

1367
02:34:54,480 --> 02:34:59,920
items as far as what the change on Main Street might look like, like how we, of,

1368
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:12,480
Of our parking and waste management, I really just feel strongly that we need to work hand in hand with our businesses on Main Street. Well, it is our communities Main Street and we all go there.

1369
02:35:14,160 --> 02:35:22,240
The people that, you know, are there day and night on Main Street do need to have a voice and how it works and where they how they see their businesses evolving.

1370
02:35:22,240 --> 02:35:27,620
But the hard part right now is that they are also at this precipice where they are facing some big changes.

1371
02:35:28,400 --> 02:35:36,660
And I know the last time we had really good alignment on the HPCA was back in like the early 2000s when Andy was the the president.

1372
02:35:36,860 --> 02:35:43,900
And he worked really hard to do visioning and get alignment on where the business district wanted to evolve and change.

1373
02:35:43,900 --> 02:35:48,140
and they did come up with the sidewalks

1374
02:35:48,140 --> 02:35:49,400
and some of the oldest plans.

1375
02:35:49,660 --> 02:35:50,640
And then also the plazas,

1376
02:35:50,640 --> 02:35:52,500
which we were never able to get through

1377
02:35:52,500 --> 02:35:55,020
because by the time we got that far down the road,

1378
02:35:55,280 --> 02:35:56,820
down the road, sorry, down the road.

1379
02:35:58,120 --> 02:35:59,620
There, we had lost that alignment

1380
02:35:59,620 --> 02:36:00,920
on our business district.

1381
02:36:01,220 --> 02:36:03,160
And it made really hard while we were talking

1382
02:36:03,160 --> 02:36:05,380
about some really big and exciting projects

1383
02:36:05,380 --> 02:36:06,860
for the Wasech Group of Plaza.

1384
02:36:07,000 --> 02:36:09,620
And even some smaller minor plaza programs

1385
02:36:09,620 --> 02:36:11,100
with renewed stages and bathrooms

1386
02:36:11,100 --> 02:36:12,100
to make it really nice.

1387
02:36:12,100 --> 02:36:13,420
And there were so much conflict.

1388
02:36:14,360 --> 02:36:15,520
We didn't get through any of those things.

1389
02:36:15,660 --> 02:36:17,160
They all kind of fell off.

1390
02:36:17,160 --> 02:36:19,100
And then we just put that money towards treasure.

1391
02:36:19,540 --> 02:36:27,460
So I think if we're going to talk about, I do think that an overarching plan of the

1392
02:36:27,460 --> 02:36:33,040
old town area, including how the neighbors connect with Main Street, how we want to use

1393
02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:38,600
some of those spaces, if there wants to be a rebirth of the Wasatch, a group of Plaza,

1394
02:36:38,600 --> 02:36:43,740
or a renovation of some of the smaller plosas is going to kind of

1395
02:36:43,740 --> 02:36:46,560
kind of align. I think that's a good idea looking to the future. I do

1396
02:36:46,560 --> 02:36:49,940
think we want to make sure that we are taking care of our areas and making sure

1397
02:36:50,520 --> 02:36:53,880
that are there opportunities to make it bring more locals back to

1398
02:36:53,880 --> 02:36:58,980
some of those areas as well. But I think that we might want to

1399
02:36:58,980 --> 02:37:02,600
wait till we get through to your point the bananas of park area plan and

1400
02:37:03,400 --> 02:37:06,600
the feasibility study and our general plan.

1401
02:37:06,600 --> 02:37:15,740
And give HPCA some time to reconnect with its members and have them come back to us with what they want to see on the street.

1402
02:37:15,940 --> 02:37:17,300
We can't talk about pedestrian.

1403
02:37:17,560 --> 02:37:20,220
I mean, we've tried to talk about pedestrianization.

1404
02:37:20,540 --> 02:37:21,380
That's a hard word.

1405
02:37:22,120 --> 02:37:23,060
On Main Street.

1406
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:27,500
And unless we're doing that hand in hand with the business district, it's really going to be hard.

1407
02:37:29,400 --> 02:37:31,960
So, you know, the areas that I think the infrastructure needs,

1408
02:37:31,960 --> 02:37:34,660
some of the infrastructure needs are absolutely we need to move forward.

1409
02:37:34,660 --> 02:37:44,580
So that's like kind of to your point option one A, and then a long term vision to the future of where Main Street is going in the small area plan.

1410
02:37:45,320 --> 02:37:56,740
We, I think we put that on the horizon and find ways to organize and encourage the business district to find some alignment so that when we get there.

1411
02:37:57,520 --> 02:37:59,580
There's more consensus on where we're going.

1412
02:38:02,360 --> 02:38:09,500
I think the business districts three years ago came and said they wanted to do something like that but they didn't have the money to do it.

1413
02:38:09,640 --> 02:38:14,280
So are you suggesting that they pay for their own consultant versus us doing that?

1414
02:38:14,720 --> 02:38:23,140
I think there's a lot of ways you can ask for money for that because I think the request from us was pretty unreasonable and reasonable on a lot of levels, it was more than we spent on our own visioning.

1415
02:38:23,140 --> 02:38:32,040
And I think that there are ways you can do it, you can have a strategic plan, you know, you can hire a consultant and go through a strategic planning process or visioning process.

1416
02:38:33,420 --> 02:38:40,340
And I think that that should probably be done on Mainstreet and the business districts because there's really a couple things going on.

1417
02:38:40,400 --> 02:38:53,000
And we look at what's going on in the small area plan, you know, there's a lot of redevelopment that's going on in that area and that was one of the first things Eric said was that there's not going to be a lot of rezoning and redevelopment in that old town core.

1418
02:38:53,000 --> 02:38:56,860
It's more how we're using some of the spaces that are there.

1419
02:38:57,080 --> 02:39:02,200
So perhaps we could sparse this out because part of this conversation is the city owned property

1420
02:39:02,200 --> 02:39:08,540
of all of most of one half of speedality, which is parking, and so that HPCCA would not necessarily

1421
02:39:08,540 --> 02:39:11,280
be saying what they want to do and not area that's.

1422
02:39:11,400 --> 02:39:12,200
They do.

1423
02:39:12,220 --> 02:39:17,380
But every time, I guess that's the question is, I mean, this isn't, this is a little bit different

1424
02:39:17,380 --> 02:39:22,140
than small area because we didn't ask the businesses in the small area to come together with a

1425
02:39:22,140 --> 02:39:26,900
what they would like to see, we decided to do that as a whole. So I'm just asking

1426
02:39:26,900 --> 02:39:31,880
like, how would you sparse this out? Because I think HPCA can decide what they would like

1427
02:39:31,880 --> 02:39:35,400
to do with the city's parking, but I think that's also a community discussion

1428
02:39:35,400 --> 02:39:37,880
of residents as well and other stakeholder groups.

1429
02:39:38,080 --> 02:39:43,300
Can HPCA request that we build that parking garage? I mean, that's the point, right? Like,

1430
02:39:43,380 --> 02:39:49,440
they came in and said, hey, we want this. They were aligned on that. We built them a parking garage.

1431
02:39:49,440 --> 02:39:55,900
So now to come back and say that they're not, we shouldn't have their specific input on how to use.

1432
02:39:56,220 --> 02:39:59,880
I mean, they've been so impactful on every decision we've made.

1433
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:10,440
On public property, in that area, I do think it's their responsibility to come to the table with a clear, concise idea of what they want to do.

1434
02:40:10,760 --> 02:40:26,600
And my wrong was it $300,000 they wanted for a feasibility study for their area. I just I found that to be a little bit too much as well. And I don't remember what we spent, but it was like in that zone for a year-long study on everything we did in the whole community.

1435
02:40:26,600 --> 02:40:33,440
And last we have an overwhelming number of our residents saying, yeah, that's how we should spend their money.

1436
02:40:33,920 --> 02:40:38,720
I have a hard time getting on board with signing us up for that.

1437
02:40:38,860 --> 02:40:47,340
I just, I don't see alignment on Main Street enough yet to, to say, let's move the city in this particular direction.

1438
02:40:52,200 --> 02:40:54,140
Sure. Thank you. Matt Dias City Manager.

1439
02:40:55,500 --> 02:41:02,520
I'm going to speak on behalf, I think of public utilities and public works for a minute, and I'll frame why.

1440
02:41:03,360 --> 02:41:10,040
Well, first of all, thank you for the discussion. I think everyone understands the importance of Main Street and what it means to the community.

1441
02:41:10,340 --> 02:41:14,840
And regionally, and otherwise, I don't think any of that is, isn't understood.

1442
02:41:15,560 --> 02:41:22,260
If I had to simplify, I think the question that we're asking from a staff perspective is,

1443
02:41:22,260 --> 02:41:28,260
Some of the infrastructure needs in this area are incredibly disruptive and they're likely to take years.

1444
02:41:29,740 --> 02:41:33,280
As someone who's experienced this in another community, I'll go so far as saying,

1445
02:41:34,080 --> 02:41:36,320
we're worried about the impact on some of the small businesses.

1446
02:41:36,640 --> 02:41:40,440
I mean, these are multi-year, incredibly disruptive construction projects.

1447
02:41:40,740 --> 02:41:47,000
And so, as a collective team with public works, public utilities, stormwater, economic development,

1448
02:41:47,000 --> 02:41:53,260
And when you're making infrastructure adjustments of this magnitude, you do have an opportunity

1449
02:41:53,260 --> 02:41:58,280
to make a transformative adjustment to the built environment.

1450
02:41:58,540 --> 02:42:01,300
And you mentioned some of them, I think Ryan and Jeremy Hitton, a couple of you can

1451
02:42:01,300 --> 02:42:05,000
expand clauses for eating, is it going to be a pedestrian only?

1452
02:42:05,700 --> 02:42:11,280
And so our point is you may have one opportunity to consider transformational adjustments

1453
02:42:11,280 --> 02:42:16,060
to Main Street, given the gravity of the infrastructure overhaul that we're undertaking.

1454
02:42:16,060 --> 02:42:19,900
I mean, as you know, our public work structure has been here for 30 years, our public utility

1455
02:42:19,900 --> 02:42:24,160
structure has been here for 15, and they're both terrified of this project for the right

1456
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:24,620
reasons.

1457
02:42:25,040 --> 02:42:29,160
They're terrified of the impacts of the community to the small business owners and to the visitors.

1458
02:42:29,760 --> 02:42:37,320
And so we can't help but think there may be a good reason to take a pregnant pause and consider

1459
02:42:37,320 --> 02:42:41,600
for one moment if there's anything transformational we want it to do here differently, because

1460
02:42:41,600 --> 02:42:43,060
you're likely to lose that opportunity.

1461
02:42:43,060 --> 02:42:47,460
you will experience, you know, the pain and the adjustments of the infrastructure upgrades,

1462
02:42:47,700 --> 02:42:51,540
but you'll forego the opportunity to do something really transformational or different.

1463
02:42:51,660 --> 02:42:56,340
And so that's the premise of, it's sort of weak and incrementally do the infrastructure upgrades,

1464
02:42:56,860 --> 02:43:00,100
but potentially lose the opportunity to do something wild, to do something different,

1465
02:43:00,140 --> 02:43:04,460
do something creative. Now none of us want to live through to council member Rubel's point.

1466
02:43:06,740 --> 02:43:11,360
An unconstrained exercise that takes another two years of our lives,

1467
02:43:11,360 --> 02:43:15,980
into your point. People say, here goes the city again, planning at Nazium. It's time to get something

1468
02:43:15,980 --> 02:43:21,140
done. That's why we have Eric. That's why we have someone like Eric leading this type of an initiative.

1469
02:43:21,600 --> 02:43:26,360
No one wants that again. So I think some of your comments thus far about focusing on the utilities

1470
02:43:26,360 --> 02:43:32,460
first, but having a constrained exercise that isn't just, you know, willy-newy anything in the world.

1471
02:43:32,980 --> 02:43:37,920
I mean, that is something that we would look favorably on as a team. We appreciate your comments

1472
02:43:37,920 --> 02:43:43,200
about staff time and load and exercise. And that is the reason that Eric would be leading this initiative

1473
02:43:43,200 --> 02:43:48,900
and not Chen and Rebecca. We appreciate your sentiment that maybe it comes after the area planning

1474
02:43:48,900 --> 02:43:53,120
exercises and bananas and it doesn't compete with it. It doesn't compete for our time and resources.

1475
02:43:53,580 --> 02:43:58,240
And so we do believe it can happen sequentially or even concurrently with the general plan.

1476
02:43:58,560 --> 02:44:01,220
But just to be fair, simplify, don't want you to lose an opportunity.

1477
02:44:01,220 --> 02:44:30,680
And then I'd one follow on comment that I left on said on the back of Matt's comment which is if if we think about this as separate needs and if and we just say infrastructure investment only that means that Clint is going to need to come back in the FY20 or budget with a 10 million dollar capital project proposal funded on some version of this city's own book meaning existing revenue sources.

1478
02:44:31,220 --> 02:44:53,900
If we're willing to think about this as a cohesive plan and strategy, if that infrastructure investment is followed by vertical asset growth, we can set up a path for that vertical asset growth to pay for that infrastructure investment, but it's only with with that plan and faith in the execution of the vertical growth that that can happen.

1479
02:44:54,680 --> 02:44:58,840
So my question is, is our infrastructure failing.

1480
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:21,740
At such a pants on fire level that this, because if it is, then it needs to jump to the front of the line and we need to be really clear with our community, the impact of that on these other initiatives that we've been working so hard on and we traveled around the country to study and if that's the case, let us know.

1481
02:45:21,740 --> 02:45:33,200
I have a hard time thinking considering the conversations we've had about load that I think it's always great to say we can do it all.

1482
02:45:33,920 --> 02:45:43,500
But we've seen historically that that's very difficult to do and that we end up not doing very much well because we're trying to do everything at once.

1483
02:45:43,500 --> 02:45:50,900
So, understanding exactly where our infrastructure is, how bad it is, and then figuring out where that goes in the list,

1484
02:45:51,020 --> 02:45:53,400
because I appreciate what you're saying. We don't want to miss opportunities.

1485
02:45:54,380 --> 02:45:59,780
But if that opportunity, and that infrastructure is failing at such a level,

1486
02:46:00,200 --> 02:46:08,840
then I genuinely believe we have to put something else aside, because I have not seen us actually execute really well

1487
02:46:08,840 --> 02:46:13,980
through the expectations of our residents when we've tried to do everything out once.

1488
02:46:14,560 --> 02:46:19,900
I think though, sorry guys, jump in. So I think that's maybe a little bit of a overly

1489
02:46:19,900 --> 02:46:23,900
black and white, you know, way to look at as much as I take your point. I think you can look at

1490
02:46:23,900 --> 02:46:27,960
this list of infrastructure needs and there are things that are clearly toilets are going to

1491
02:46:27,960 --> 02:46:32,280
flush in this direction in the future that project is not wasted work, right? Water has to go to

1492
02:46:32,280 --> 02:46:37,080
these locations. There's things that are that we can move forward on, things that we might want to hold

1493
02:46:37,080 --> 02:46:44,640
not the whole list. I think Jeremy's point about specificity is pretty important. There's got to

1494
02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:49,240
be a little blue sky in this, but then even here on the slide and the key questions, right? If

1495
02:46:49,240 --> 02:46:54,600
the area plan, specific concepts redeveloping our assets since we sweetally brewpubs in here,

1496
02:46:54,820 --> 02:47:01,520
but brewpubs still sitting there, focusing on specific opportunities. I know there's always a lot of

1497
02:47:01,520 --> 02:47:07,520
rolling about our focus on mainstream, our focus on the old town, a lot of folks consider

1498
02:47:07,520 --> 02:47:13,580
an over-focused and what about this other area. I mean, I think we are at the beginning of

1499
02:47:13,580 --> 02:47:19,700
a really intense competition with our neighbors, with a healthy and intense competition with our

1500
02:47:19,700 --> 02:47:25,620
neighbors in Kenyan's village, and a Mayflower, and this asset of our historic Main Street,

1501
02:47:25,720 --> 02:47:31,000
an old town is a major driver of visitation. Sort of the Jeremy's point too earlier about we're

1502
02:47:31,000 --> 02:47:36,440
is managing this ebb and flow of our neighborhoods and visitation, but we've seen how

1503
02:47:36,440 --> 02:47:41,980
attitudes have changed in the last six months. As we've seen that, visitations start to decline.

1504
02:47:43,000 --> 02:47:47,160
We know that visitations really important to our small businesses, so I don't think it's

1505
02:47:47,160 --> 02:47:55,300
inappropriate to focus on this core that drives traffic to human traffic to park city aside from

1506
02:47:55,300 --> 02:48:00,260
the resorts. So I think if we say specific, if we're practical about infrastructure,

1507
02:48:01,340 --> 02:48:06,120
Eric's point about values is so well taken, because we think about how can we grow our

1508
02:48:06,860 --> 02:48:11,260
Garov values to pay for this stuff. I just seem to make it a ton of sense,

1509
02:48:11,400 --> 02:48:17,720
then it's just really a timing question today. Yeah, put a, just a, if I could put a quick bow on

1510
02:48:17,720 --> 02:48:22,980
my position here, which I don't think your comments will change anyway, is, you know, you give us

1511
02:48:22,980 --> 02:48:29,300
options. We're coming up probably with five or six. You know, I'd probably land in that two to

1512
02:48:29,300 --> 02:48:37,500
three range where, as it's been described by Ryan, Max and others, you know, Eric, he said,

1513
02:48:37,700 --> 02:48:43,180
let's use the opportunity of leverage. Let's focus on the very low risk improvements

1514
02:48:43,960 --> 02:48:49,540
immediately, right? As soon as we have the capacity to do so, that's core function of government,

1515
02:48:49,540 --> 02:48:53,840
We've got to keep the water flow and we've got to keep the gas run and all that kind of stuff.

1516
02:48:55,000 --> 02:48:57,980
At the same time, let's not step on the Bananza Park study.

1517
02:48:58,100 --> 02:49:01,920
I think if we do it the same way, we did the Bananza Park study with that much engagement.

1518
02:49:02,040 --> 02:49:03,880
It would be a huge mistake to be honest.

1519
02:49:04,380 --> 02:49:07,000
We've got to leverage our previous efforts.

1520
02:49:07,240 --> 02:49:11,580
We've got to be specific in the assets that we're examining under this wrapper.

1521
02:49:12,160 --> 02:49:13,720
We do have a problem to solve.

1522
02:49:13,840 --> 02:49:16,620
We have those pressures of developments outside of our area.

1523
02:49:16,620 --> 02:49:26,600
shiny and new people always like that, right? We see actually it's not even six months. There's six years of declining visitation to Main Street. If you throw out COVID

1524
02:49:27,360 --> 02:49:38,620
And say that doesn't count it's still a very compelling case that there is a problem to solve and we do need to progress and evolve to revitalize visitation to the area to some degree.

1525
02:49:39,900 --> 02:49:53,380
And if we do this well, it's almost like we won't feel the impact of the work as much as we'll feel the impact of the projects delivering the work, which is the zone we need to be on on this one.

1526
02:49:53,380 --> 02:49:59,920
Yeah, that would be the goal. I mean, the goal is to realize the goal would be to realize.

1527
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:08,900
As much positive value and minimizes much negative value by talking to each other, talking to our key stakeholders, which you would help us define.

1528
02:50:09,280 --> 02:50:13,840
The specific questions is certainly an approach we can take.

1529
02:50:14,420 --> 02:50:19,660
And then I think, you know, the capital investments that are in absolutely can.

1530
02:50:19,960 --> 02:50:26,740
They don't need to necessarily be contingent on the higher the further exercise.

1531
02:50:26,740 --> 02:50:37,960
I'm not going to speak with specifics for Clint, but I asked him if you were going to replace the main line, would you change the size of the pipe, depending on future growth or not?

1532
02:50:38,240 --> 02:50:46,360
And he said no, I'm going to, I would do the best possible implementation regardless of the future plan, because that's what it makes sense for the long term.

1533
02:50:51,060 --> 02:50:52,600
We lost plant, that's okay.

1534
02:50:52,960 --> 02:50:58,420
I'm paraphrasing, I'm paraphrasing and glossing over the practicalities, but I think that would be the idea.

1535
02:51:00,020 --> 02:51:07,580
So if I was going to push a little, if that's okay for enough direction, I think first of

1536
02:51:07,580 --> 02:51:12,920
all, we're beginning a process and we're asking for the ability to take the next step.

1537
02:51:13,000 --> 02:51:19,600
I think you've provided us with enough direction to put something together narrow the scope

1538
02:51:19,600 --> 02:51:20,860
and come back to you.

1539
02:51:20,920 --> 02:51:23,300
I mean clearly there's a lot of public input, a lot of process on the way.

1540
02:51:23,420 --> 02:51:24,240
We don't have a contract.

1541
02:51:24,240 --> 02:51:28,460
We don't have a scope. Well, Ericsson already wrote a scope, but because he does everything like that.

1542
02:51:29,380 --> 02:51:33,080
But, you know, our pants aren't on fire. No one's going to be going in and digging up the road tomorrow.

1543
02:51:33,400 --> 02:51:40,940
We do have considerable infrastructure upgrades. We want to make sure that we're taking a meaningful opportunity to do assess things work closely with our business district.

1544
02:51:41,440 --> 02:51:46,340
And maybe what I'm hearing if I could oversimplify is enough support to at least take the next step and scope that out.

1545
02:51:46,380 --> 02:51:50,340
And then return to like we would for anything else of this size magnitude or otherwise.

1546
02:51:51,320 --> 02:52:13,660
And one further point, which I highlighted in this slide, but I left on set as well, is that we believe that staff members, which would be inclusive of myself, can collaborate with any external consultants on this and provide much higher, well, I shouldn't say much higher, but high level of specific analysis with regard to some of these questions.

1547
02:52:13,660 --> 02:52:16,700
So we do have some of these capabilities internally,

1548
02:52:17,180 --> 02:52:19,640
and that would hopefully, with your blessing,

1549
02:52:19,860 --> 02:52:23,220
lower the potential cost of any study or plan as well.

1550
02:52:23,780 --> 02:52:26,300
All right, what could be really helpful for us

1551
02:52:26,300 --> 02:52:28,900
to make a decision on this is splitting into two questions.

1552
02:52:29,800 --> 02:52:32,880
One would be, what are the critical infrastructure improvements

1553
02:52:32,880 --> 02:52:34,140
that have to happen?

1554
02:52:34,600 --> 02:52:36,180
And what are the opportunities related

1555
02:52:36,180 --> 02:52:37,980
to those critical improvements?

1556
02:52:38,940 --> 02:52:42,560
The second one would be, OK, now bigger picture and strategically

1557
02:52:43,320 --> 02:52:46,200
what are the opportunities that lie ahead?

1558
02:52:46,600 --> 02:52:48,440
Once we get through that critical list,

1559
02:52:48,680 --> 02:52:51,380
you know, so maybe that critical list is like the zero to two years,

1560
02:52:51,920 --> 02:52:54,840
and then the rest is two plus wherever you want to snap that line

1561
02:52:54,840 --> 02:52:57,540
and say, okay, now to look at that bigger picture,

1562
02:52:58,260 --> 02:53:00,500
we'd have to back into that date, right,

1563
02:53:00,500 --> 02:53:03,220
and start a study by X time,

1564
02:53:03,400 --> 02:53:05,500
we'd have to go to RFP, we'd have to hire a consultant,

1565
02:53:06,040 --> 02:53:07,780
whatever the case may be.

1566
02:53:08,280 --> 02:53:11,180
If we get caught in a single question of the big picture,

1567
02:53:12,140 --> 02:53:20,500
The fear would be we don't address the actual critical infrastructure stuff with the leverage opportunities in a timely fashion.

1568
02:53:20,660 --> 02:53:27,900
As Kiko back, it's like, so where would you put this stuff into your questions?

1569
02:53:29,200 --> 02:53:37,320
I best have to be honest. I look at it from that we have to do this and here's what it'll impact and here's, and if the answer comes back,

1570
02:53:37,320 --> 02:53:42,760
Hey, look, to get through the critical items, we have to do everything, then that's what the answer comes back.

1571
02:53:43,340 --> 02:53:46,260
I'd contend it probably not the only answer though.

1572
02:53:46,500 --> 02:53:49,640
The must do is the top bullet on this list of this slide.

1573
02:53:50,260 --> 02:53:54,600
If I, I mean, I can answer that now. This is more or less the must do.

1574
02:53:54,920 --> 02:53:57,240
Then everything else can flow from there.

1575
02:53:57,440 --> 02:54:03,540
And I would put this list in your, if you were drawing a line, let's just say hypothetically that two year plus destination,

1576
02:54:03,540 --> 02:54:08,100
And then this list would probably be in that to your plus segment.

1577
02:54:09,140 --> 02:54:11,080
But we can, we think I'm not going more specifically.

1578
02:54:11,800 --> 02:54:16,380
I'd like to know the timing too, because when I've spoken with different staff members,

1579
02:54:16,860 --> 02:54:21,340
you know, if we think about the length of time and it's taken to plan park avenues reconstruction.

1580
02:54:22,180 --> 02:54:25,620
You know, to take up our main street, it's going to take a lot of planning.

1581
02:54:25,780 --> 02:54:27,780
It's going to take working with the business district.

1582
02:54:28,200 --> 02:54:32,740
So I'd kind of like to know what all those steps are as well and how long that process.

1583
02:54:32,740 --> 02:54:36,420
realistically would take. If we decided today that we wanted to

1584
02:54:37,380 --> 02:54:41,080
tear up the infrastructure on Main Street, what would that planning process look like?

1585
02:54:42,220 --> 02:54:46,000
So it sounds like there's a willingness to conduct that analysis. The next step is

1586
02:54:46,000 --> 02:54:51,060
for us to come back with much more specific timelines and we'll do that exercise of

1587
02:54:51,060 --> 02:54:55,180
looking at some target dates and backing into this sequence of events that must happen

1588
02:54:55,180 --> 02:54:59,660
flowing from those dates. Yep. Great, exciting.

1589
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:10,800
Thank you. Thank you. All right. We ready to move into Rocky Mountain Power Infrastructure. You need a break. Okay. Real quick break.

1590
03:00:41,230 --> 03:00:44,710
If you could take your seats, please would like to get started again.

1591
03:00:49,960 --> 03:00:54,880
All right. Hello, everyone. My name is Luke Karten, environmental sustainability manager for Park City Municipal.

1592
03:00:56,080 --> 03:01:03,500
And we're going to talk about the world of kind of power infrastructure coming out of this community.

1593
03:01:03,880 --> 03:01:12,060
And the reason it's important is just like a water infrastructure on these other things. These are key pieces of infrastructure that roll into our community.

1594
03:01:12,060 --> 03:01:15,880
And they're also located kind of near the key pieces, right?

1595
03:01:15,980 --> 03:01:22,400
We need electricity delivered to our city to power the backbone of our economy as well.

1596
03:01:22,620 --> 03:01:24,680
But the infrastructure also crisscrosses through our community.

1597
03:01:24,780 --> 03:01:28,180
You can actually see some of the transmission lines, which I'll discuss here in a minute,

1598
03:01:28,540 --> 03:01:33,500
that literally go across the hill here, they go up and over the area, go through Main Street,

1599
03:01:33,760 --> 03:01:36,100
and are located in key pieces of the community.

1600
03:01:37,800 --> 03:01:41,740
The substation and associated infrastructure we're going to talk about here,

1601
03:01:41,860 --> 03:01:45,020
the easiest way to view it is it drives a lot of pieces.

1602
03:01:45,300 --> 03:01:51,680
There's over 20, between 20 and 30 million dollars of just electricity sales in our community every single year.

1603
03:01:51,940 --> 03:01:53,240
That's just within that.

1604
03:01:54,020 --> 03:02:00,320
The county assessor values just that eight, eight tenth of an acre piece that the infrastructure sits on and all that's improvements.

1605
03:02:00,320 --> 03:02:07,220
It's values $12 million a year, not the land, but the input, the utility infrastructure that sits on that.

1606
03:02:07,380 --> 03:02:09,620
So these are very high costs.

1607
03:02:10,020 --> 03:02:11,860
And we're also dealing with Rocky Mountain Power.

1608
03:02:12,020 --> 03:02:14,480
They're a regulated utility in the state of Utah.

1609
03:02:14,640 --> 03:02:15,740
So that means they have certain rules.

1610
03:02:15,940 --> 03:02:16,860
They can do and certain rules.

1611
03:02:17,060 --> 03:02:17,880
They can't do.

1612
03:02:19,100 --> 03:02:24,000
And my goal is just to really try to keep this as maps, as high level.

1613
03:02:24,480 --> 03:02:29,180
But I'd really, really encourage council or people who are curious about this.

1614
03:02:29,180 --> 03:02:36,880
to go walk around, especially from bananas to drive out to monitor driving back, to see the impact of this utility infrastructure.

1615
03:02:37,220 --> 03:02:43,700
Because it's large and it's through the middle of a lot of things, but it also needs to be there as well.

1616
03:02:44,900 --> 03:02:48,040
A lot of this discussion is going to focus on the transmission line keys.

1617
03:02:48,060 --> 03:02:51,940
These are just way to view the transmission line and they've associated sub-substation.

1618
03:02:51,940 --> 03:02:56,000
are this is the high amounts of power that come in and then the

1619
03:02:56,000 --> 03:03:00,280
substation makes it so it's usable within our community. A lot of the power

1620
03:03:00,280 --> 03:03:04,520
from our community comes out of that 810th of an acre site. So there's a lot

1621
03:03:04,520 --> 03:03:07,620
of aboveground infrastructure, but there's also a lot of belowground

1622
03:03:07,620 --> 03:03:12,360
infrastructure, which makes something as you can't just simply move towers

1623
03:03:12,360 --> 03:03:17,500
or a substation, there's so much stuff tied into that. The way I

1624
03:03:17,500 --> 03:03:21,040
wait, again, we'll get to this discussion in the phase two part of it, but if we

1625
03:03:21,040 --> 03:03:26,840
to move the substation, it's the equivalent of moving Kimmel Junction. You can move the traffic lights

1626
03:03:26,840 --> 03:03:30,240
in that side of it, but you still need all the roads and everything that ties into it. When you

1627
03:03:30,240 --> 03:03:34,720
think of, there's underground infrastructure that comes out of that site that feeds everything from

1628
03:03:34,720 --> 03:03:42,600
dear valley to park meadows to prospector. So again, it is a very complex issue that I don't want to get

1629
03:03:42,600 --> 03:03:47,440
too far into the weeds, but if there are questions again, happy to go show you stuff, getting them

1630
03:03:47,440 --> 03:03:51,940
detailed drawings. But along the story short, you have all these different things that tie in

1631
03:03:51,940 --> 03:03:56,660
to the substation. I'm going to zoom in here just a little bit to show you that is our

1632
03:03:56,660 --> 03:04:02,840
tenth of an acre site. And you have three major transmission lines, which again, you see throughout

1633
03:04:02,840 --> 03:04:09,960
this community that tie in. That purple line is the Snyderville to Park City transmission line. That's

1634
03:04:09,960 --> 03:04:15,380
a line that you can actually see the substation just below the ski jumps. And it kind of follows

1635
03:04:15,380 --> 03:04:22,420
to 24 all the way in, goes across the backside of Boot Hill, comes through the cemetery and ties

1636
03:04:22,420 --> 03:04:23,340
into that.

1637
03:04:23,700 --> 03:04:28,780
The yellow and blue line are the airy and judged transmission lines.

1638
03:04:28,880 --> 03:04:34,320
So what you do is you actually try, you tie substations together, right, so that way if you

1639
03:04:34,320 --> 03:04:37,760
can take a substation offline, or they're always fed in different ways.

1640
03:04:38,520 --> 03:04:42,380
The nice thing about these lines are, they're the ones you can actually see that go right

1641
03:04:42,380 --> 03:04:43,640
right across their window here.

1642
03:04:43,640 --> 03:04:50,180
So one goes, and they split, one goes up and over the airy, and goes out to the, they call it the Silver Creek Substation.

1643
03:04:50,420 --> 03:04:52,180
Wind's Junction, there's a substation out there.

1644
03:04:52,660 --> 03:04:59,880
The other one, Judge goes, actually up and over Park City Mountain, takes a left, kind of near the top of Payday Lift, and goes out to the.

1645
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:11,600
Judges of station as well. So these again, these are the big, big towers that we see around, but also I don't want to diminish that almost all of the city's electricity comes out of that little sub station right there.

1646
03:05:12,760 --> 03:05:27,640
So what we, what we were asked to look at was to say, hey, could we move this, could we get some or all of these parts out of where they are out of this potential kind of economic and community zone and move it.

1647
03:05:27,640 --> 03:05:32,680
And first of all, the substation is put where it is because it needs to be near electricity load.

1648
03:05:32,960 --> 03:05:38,300
Right? When this was put in previous even the 1960s, this whole area looked a lot different.

1649
03:05:38,300 --> 03:05:40,640
Park meadows looked a lot different in that side of it.

1650
03:05:40,740 --> 03:05:42,700
So if we can move it, we can move it a half mile.

1651
03:05:42,840 --> 03:05:48,940
We can't move it 10, 20, 30 miles. So that's just a key kind of restraint to view.

1652
03:05:49,240 --> 03:05:54,060
Also the other thing too is any time you move pieces or undergone pieces outside of it,

1653
03:05:54,060 --> 03:05:57,800
You're moving a lot of strings and there's also a lot of stuff in that area, right?

1654
03:05:57,880 --> 03:06:00,660
We can't just say, well, it was buried all and make it all disappear.

1655
03:06:01,180 --> 03:06:04,640
You have water lines, natural gas lines, roads, all these other pieces.

1656
03:06:04,860 --> 03:06:09,460
So again, it's just to put in perspective, this is a very complex problem.

1657
03:06:10,720 --> 03:06:15,420
So what we did was we broke it into two kind of phases, as to try to make this into bite-sized

1658
03:06:15,420 --> 03:06:15,960
chunks.

1659
03:06:16,340 --> 03:06:18,180
And you can do it all once if you wanted to.

1660
03:06:18,240 --> 03:06:21,360
It does get very expensive, or you can do it in phases.

1661
03:06:21,360 --> 03:06:26,040
The interesting thing is, the phase one phase two approach, if you said, hey, we just wanted

1662
03:06:26,040 --> 03:06:29,800
to do a phase one, that doesn't tie you to moving to substation in the future.

1663
03:06:29,980 --> 03:06:33,320
It doesn't say, hey, you did this, now you're, you're, you're, you're pregnant with

1664
03:06:33,320 --> 03:06:35,580
that, yeah, you have to move on to that side.

1665
03:06:36,540 --> 03:06:40,640
Um, I think, and I'll, I'll show you the map side of it because again, you can talk about

1666
03:06:40,640 --> 03:06:44,520
transmission lines, distribution lines, KVs, and all this other stuff, but there, there

1667
03:06:44,520 --> 03:06:47,320
is some land impacts to this as well.

1668
03:06:47,320 --> 03:07:00,180
So phase one is taking that purple line at Snyderville line and running it, the Snyderville transmission line and conduit to the base of boot hill kind of behind Zion's bank.

1669
03:07:01,540 --> 03:07:13,680
Then from there, once you hit that kind of, again, I have a map of this, it would be taking that underground line going above, you know, back above ground somewhere on the boot hill kind of behind Zion's bank area.

1670
03:07:13,680 --> 03:07:20,900
And then having that proceed above a above ground or overhead and tying it back into the existing snider of the line.

1671
03:07:21,460 --> 03:07:28,340
The reason we don't I don't suggest doing it underground everywhere is to just do a single circuit of transmission line.

1672
03:07:28,460 --> 03:07:30,740
It's it's about 2,600 dollars a foot.

1673
03:07:31,580 --> 03:07:31,860
Underground.

1674
03:07:32,180 --> 03:07:34,260
So it's very very very very expensive.

1675
03:07:35,180 --> 03:07:41,800
What I'm also suggesting here is a transmission line plus condo it for another transmission line to that boot hill site.

1676
03:07:41,800 --> 03:07:47,560
That puts it in the roughly $3,200 of foot range and I'll show you why I'm suggesting that here in a second.

1677
03:07:48,160 --> 03:07:54,660
The ballpark cost of just undergrounding the Snyderville line is about nine million dollars.

1678
03:07:55,580 --> 03:07:57,700
So again, it is an expensive piece.

1679
03:07:57,880 --> 03:08:01,440
And again, there's ways, there's wiggle room in there and again, we can redefine that.

1680
03:08:01,840 --> 03:08:09,560
But if we wanted to do that phase one approach, what you do is you go out and you commission a feasibility study with Rocky Mountain Power.

1681
03:08:09,560 --> 03:08:13,840
It's a $150,000 study that takes it out of the theoretical.

1682
03:08:14,040 --> 03:08:17,580
We think it's a 9 million, but it goes into you need this easement.

1683
03:08:17,820 --> 03:08:19,900
At this corner you need this junction box.

1684
03:08:20,140 --> 03:08:25,880
It really, truly goes from the, hey, I want to bake a cake to, this is the recipe for the cake.

1685
03:08:26,280 --> 03:08:30,720
Then you take that feasibility study, you can put it out to the market to bid, and you can

1686
03:08:30,720 --> 03:08:34,640
refine that 9 million down to the, you know, literally a bid document, right?

1687
03:08:34,720 --> 03:08:36,700
Saying, hey, I want to build a 3,000 square foot house.

1688
03:08:36,700 --> 03:08:40,720
this is how many, you know, to toilets, bathrooms and bedrooms

1689
03:08:40,720 --> 03:08:45,680
you want inside of it. So, um, and again, I'm going to run through this and that the

1690
03:08:45,680 --> 03:08:49,120
goal on this was just to get a bunch of the information out and then go back and have

1691
03:08:49,120 --> 03:08:55,000
that discussion because there's a lot of moving parts to it. So, this is kind of the key part

1692
03:08:55,000 --> 03:09:00,880
of what this phase one concept would be is it would take the purple line and that purple line

1693
03:09:00,880 --> 03:09:04,260
would mostly disappear except for that where the yellow and the purple meet up in that

1694
03:09:04,260 --> 03:09:13,020
the corner. So all of this purple line would go away. So what you're looking at is, you know,

1695
03:09:13,120 --> 03:09:18,300
to kind of start from the upper left of this, the line currently goes across city property on

1696
03:09:18,300 --> 03:09:23,880
the backside of Boot Hill. All of those towers would go away. They would, they would just,

1697
03:09:24,040 --> 03:09:29,460
they wouldn't need them anymore. Then it makes that turn and comes up monitor. Same thing,

1698
03:09:29,480 --> 03:09:33,580
all of those towers would go away. This is the interesting kind of community benefit as well.

1699
03:09:33,580 --> 03:09:37,200
There is a transmission tower that actually sits right in the middle of the cemetery.

1700
03:09:38,720 --> 03:09:46,420
If we were able to remove that tower from the cemetery, that would have free up approximately 70 burial plots.

1701
03:09:47,260 --> 03:09:55,500
So it would be effectively adding 70 traditional burial plots to the cemetery because it removes all of those aerial easements.

1702
03:09:55,860 --> 03:09:58,380
Again, this transmission tower goes across that.

1703
03:09:58,380 --> 03:09:59,500
Then when you cross

1704
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:15,440
It burns, it bisex the city on land through this part. This is a 60-foot aerial easement. So you can view it as about a fifth of this entire site is impacted by this aerial easement of 60 feet.

1705
03:10:16,160 --> 03:10:27,300
So what that aerial easement means is it significantly reduces what you can build underneath it. Because again, there's huge transmission lines running across your site. You can't build a roof all the way up to it.

1706
03:10:27,300 --> 03:10:29,440
It would remove all these pieces.

1707
03:10:29,720 --> 03:10:33,420
Again, the underground inside, it would leave this substation underground.

1708
03:10:35,060 --> 03:10:41,820
We would run it up woodbine, take a left-on current, and then again, make it come overhead

1709
03:10:41,820 --> 03:10:45,540
somewhere on the boot hillside on the city-owned land there.

1710
03:10:46,620 --> 03:10:52,260
We would, the feasibility study would further define, it would take it from a concept

1711
03:10:52,260 --> 03:10:55,600
to where we'll have it come out of the ground at this point.

1712
03:10:57,100 --> 03:11:00,280
Getting back to, hey, how would this get paid for?

1713
03:11:00,460 --> 03:11:02,880
Could Rocky Mountain Power pay for it or not?

1714
03:11:03,380 --> 03:11:04,260
They're regulated utility.

1715
03:11:04,560 --> 03:11:07,020
So they have to be fair to all of their rate pairs,

1716
03:11:07,240 --> 03:11:10,480
and they also are fair to the kind of project side of it.

1717
03:11:10,780 --> 03:11:16,220
So the city would have to pay for the orange to yellow piece,

1718
03:11:16,220 --> 03:11:18,840
and then we would get credited for the purple piece.

1719
03:11:19,460 --> 03:11:23,300
So long story short, the thought would be that the main driver would say,

1720
03:11:23,300 --> 03:11:30,160
the city is asking for this, Rocky Mountain Power doesn't quote and quote meet this. So we would

1721
03:11:30,160 --> 03:11:34,020
go out and pay for these improvements and then we would get credited back for the towers that

1722
03:11:34,020 --> 03:11:38,680
would come down for the line that would come down. Any transformers in that side of it. So we'd be

1723
03:11:38,680 --> 03:11:45,480
mostly credited for electricity line. So the credits aren't as big on this one. I'm the phase 21,

1724
03:11:45,760 --> 03:11:50,580
it gets much more, it's a much more complex piece but there's more credits on that as well.

1725
03:11:50,580 --> 03:11:56,320
So again, phase one, it would remove from the back side of boot hill, down monitor, cross the cemetery,

1726
03:11:57,240 --> 03:12:02,840
a cross-currence, and then across the city on land here, it would remove all this. It would take out this

1727
03:12:02,840 --> 03:12:11,620
pole that's in the corner of the kind of this site right here, and all that would go away, that those 60 foot

1728
03:12:11,620 --> 03:12:17,180
aerial easements would also disappear as well. So this boat would look like when it was done.

1729
03:12:18,420 --> 03:12:21,040
That orange line, like I said, would be all underground.

1730
03:12:21,820 --> 03:12:24,720
This existing line goes away, disappears.

1731
03:12:25,000 --> 03:12:26,780
That's what the phase one complete would look like.

1732
03:12:29,140 --> 03:12:31,720
Really quickly, this would be a high construction impact.

1733
03:12:32,080 --> 03:12:35,340
We can't just tunnel and bore this piece way out of there.

1734
03:12:35,640 --> 03:12:38,340
It is a large line, large undertaking.

1735
03:12:38,960 --> 03:12:41,260
The line actually gets wrapped in red concrete.

1736
03:12:41,560 --> 03:12:44,020
All these other kind of, it's a big piece.

1737
03:12:44,200 --> 03:12:46,860
So it's not just, hey, we can go out and kind of just tunnel this

1738
03:12:46,860 --> 03:12:49,960
and magically make it to spirit, it would be excavators,

1739
03:12:50,780 --> 03:12:54,120
incurns, you know, again, just let everyone know.

1740
03:12:54,800 --> 03:12:56,640
I didn't mention the line and conduit piece

1741
03:12:56,640 --> 03:13:00,120
and this is setting up for a phase two discussion.

1742
03:13:00,680 --> 03:13:01,940
Again, we can furtherify this.

1743
03:13:02,320 --> 03:13:04,820
So if you just wanted to bury the Snyderville line,

1744
03:13:06,260 --> 03:13:08,120
you could say roughly a million dollars,

1745
03:13:08,220 --> 03:13:11,880
because like I said, it's $2,600 per linear foot

1746
03:13:13,820 --> 03:13:16,380
for the Snyderville line, 3,200.

1747
03:13:16,380 --> 03:13:23,880
So you add on 600 bucks per linear foot. If you wanted to add in conduit, the reason I'm suggesting if we do the phase one to add that

1748
03:13:24,680 --> 03:13:25,480
That incremental

1749
03:13:26,040 --> 03:13:33,740
Those incremental dollars so the nine million dollars would be the line plus conduit is if we wanted to proceed to phase two

1750
03:13:33,740 --> 03:13:40,700
We would have the conduit in the ground again. This is going to turn to a little bit of a juggling act. I fully understand if you say wait a minute

1751
03:13:40,700 --> 03:13:45,480
Could you go back, but I want to kind of describe why the line and kind of what piece makes sense

1752
03:13:46,920 --> 03:13:52,420
So, moving into the phase two piece, what you would have to do is you have to build the

1753
03:13:52,420 --> 03:13:56,480
new substation before you can take the old substation offline, right?

1754
03:13:56,480 --> 03:14:00,680
So we would have to prep a new site, so that means make a new level site, it's about 400 feet

1755
03:14:00,680 --> 03:14:02,140
by 250 feet.

1756
03:14:02,880 --> 03:14:06,600
You would have to underground the judge in Silver Creek Transmission Line.

1757
03:14:06,700 --> 03:14:10,920
So these two lines we see out here, we would have to pick a spot where those would go from

1758
03:14:10,920 --> 03:14:16,440
to underground. You know, again, just think of like the Benanza turn or something on those lines.

1759
03:14:17,020 --> 03:14:20,300
We would have to regroup all of that underground distribution line.

1760
03:14:20,600 --> 03:14:23,900
So all the stuff that serves as park meadows, Main Street,

1761
03:14:25,280 --> 03:14:27,280
Prospector, pretty much everyone's house here.

1762
03:14:27,620 --> 03:14:31,120
Those would have to get moved and kind of plug back in.

1763
03:14:31,820 --> 03:14:37,320
We would have to record new easements for all of these things that would go underground to this.

1764
03:14:38,820 --> 03:14:45,440
But we also do get the credits, so we would receive that 8.84 acres of the substation sites.

1765
03:14:46,740 --> 03:14:50,120
The existing equipment in the substation, we would get a credit for that.

1766
03:14:50,340 --> 03:14:52,240
Any transmission towers, all these other things.

1767
03:14:52,580 --> 03:14:58,460
We would receive kind of a market value credit for those pieces as well.

1768
03:14:58,840 --> 03:14:59,920
This estimated cost is high.

1769
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,780
And we want to do is the Cadillac version of this. You could do parts of this, some of this, and that cost could come down, but I also want to put out there too. This isn't a project that you do in a year. This is like a five to seven to ten year project. And also when you think about how the electricity grid is changing with everything from EVs to solar to coal plants going offline in that side of it, this a lot of this equipment for the new substation has a multi-year lead time to it, right? You order these things. They don't have it on the shelf.

1770
03:15:30,000 --> 03:15:34,880
they don't have it in Utah. This is coming out of factories from around the world coming to you.

1771
03:15:36,260 --> 03:15:42,720
The transmission, the, the substation new infrastructure is about 20 to 25 million dollars

1772
03:15:42,720 --> 03:15:48,300
in today's dollars, right? That has roughly a 50% contingency on it too, right? Copper goes up

1773
03:15:48,300 --> 03:15:55,980
and down. You're tied to the international raw metals market. The rerouting distribution cost,

1774
03:15:55,980 --> 03:16:01,240
just just taking those from where they plug in underground to move them all in time in.

1775
03:16:01,400 --> 03:16:04,460
That's like a five to six million dollar range, right there. We're at 30ish.

1776
03:16:05,520 --> 03:16:10,920
You know, there's ways that we can stage this and do this differently. But I want to just kind

1777
03:16:10,920 --> 03:16:15,840
of show you again from a map version what this would look like when it's all said and done.

1778
03:16:16,360 --> 03:16:20,940
So again, you see that little red box that's the old substation site. You see the blue box,

1779
03:16:20,940 --> 03:16:23,160
That's just a placeholder for that.

1780
03:16:24,540 --> 03:16:27,020
Where I talked about again, the line plus conduit.

1781
03:16:27,240 --> 03:16:29,180
And again, I know folks as eyes are glazing over,

1782
03:16:29,220 --> 03:16:30,840
but this is kind of a key piece to understand.

1783
03:16:31,380 --> 03:16:33,280
It's currently we have the judge and silver

1784
03:16:33,280 --> 03:16:35,100
could line the two lines we see out here.

1785
03:16:35,340 --> 03:16:35,600
Come in.

1786
03:16:35,680 --> 03:16:38,680
So let's say we underground it right at the Dear Valley Drive

1787
03:16:38,680 --> 03:16:39,780
Bananza intersection.

1788
03:16:40,420 --> 03:16:41,520
And you brought it up.

1789
03:16:41,800 --> 03:16:44,080
They currently turn, they go across the veil side,

1790
03:16:44,080 --> 03:16:45,060
they go across Mary Windsor

1791
03:16:45,060 --> 03:16:46,480
so that you can actually see it right here.

1792
03:16:46,860 --> 03:16:49,360
We would bury that in the road the best we could.

1793
03:16:49,360 --> 03:16:51,500
And then they would, they come to this point.

1794
03:16:51,720 --> 03:16:59,400
The thought would be, hey, if the substation is up here, this Snyderville line doesn't need to be.

1795
03:16:59,400 --> 03:17:01,920
It can be replaced by one of the two lines.

1796
03:17:02,040 --> 03:17:03,900
So we have two lines coming into this site.

1797
03:17:04,220 --> 03:17:05,920
And we have one transmission line leaving.

1798
03:17:06,480 --> 03:17:08,320
We could say, hey, let's take this line.

1799
03:17:08,440 --> 03:17:09,920
We have to bury it to here.

1800
03:17:10,340 --> 03:17:13,140
And then we could actually take the silver Creek and Judge line.

1801
03:17:13,280 --> 03:17:14,440
So these two lines out here.

1802
03:17:14,640 --> 03:17:17,640
And we could drop them in where the Snyderville line is.

1803
03:17:17,640 --> 03:17:21,660
So we could replace, we could use phase one to set up phase two.

1804
03:17:22,100 --> 03:17:23,560
So the thought would be saying,

1805
03:17:23,840 --> 03:17:27,000
hey, if we're going to take this Snyderville line in Barriot,

1806
03:17:27,360 --> 03:17:30,860
we added conduit in, if future councils ever said,

1807
03:17:30,860 --> 03:17:33,180
hey, we want to bury all these transmission lines,

1808
03:17:33,700 --> 03:17:35,440
we would actually have to bury them to here,

1809
03:17:37,280 --> 03:17:41,680
because the Snyderville line would get replaced

1810
03:17:41,680 --> 03:17:43,040
with a new substation.

1811
03:17:43,400 --> 03:17:45,920
It'd come out the backside of this substation.

1812
03:17:46,860 --> 03:17:49,800
And these two lines could replace that and fill that in.

1813
03:17:49,900 --> 03:17:53,220
And again, the amount of done the best job of running through that,

1814
03:17:53,240 --> 03:17:54,440
happy to do it more.

1815
03:17:54,860 --> 03:17:57,240
It's just talking about transmission lines.

1816
03:17:57,340 --> 03:17:58,680
Doesn't roll off the tongue as easily.

1817
03:17:59,820 --> 03:18:03,540
So really quick, conclusion what we're looking at is we could break this into two phases.

1818
03:18:03,740 --> 03:18:06,720
It's not an all or nothing kind of all in peace.

1819
03:18:08,460 --> 03:18:15,900
We can meet that, that could reduce the impact of the RMP infrastructure and equipment in the

1820
03:18:15,900 --> 03:18:21,940
the phase one would set up the ground work for a substation relocation, but wouldn't tie us to that.

1821
03:18:24,160 --> 03:18:30,360
The justalling at the phase one piece, those benefits, it does remove those public and private property

1822
03:18:31,060 --> 03:18:36,480
impingements in the Benan's area. It reduces the visual impacts on the backside of Boot Hill.

1823
03:18:36,980 --> 03:18:43,420
It does add a visual impact on the front side of Boot Hill, and it does add at 70 additional spaces

1824
03:18:43,420 --> 03:18:48,940
the cemetery and it does set you up for saying, hey, if we wanted to take the next step towards

1825
03:18:48,940 --> 03:18:56,160
a phase two, we could do that. So what we would do is if the concept of a phase one doesn't

1826
03:18:56,160 --> 03:19:01,900
make sense, we would bring back to you in a public meeting, this feasibility study, the $150,000

1827
03:19:01,900 --> 03:19:06,820
feasibility study would be Rocky Mountain Power, that would then give us the costing for that phase

1828
03:19:06,820 --> 03:19:11,420
one piece. It would not give us the full costing on phase two, but it would say, hey, again,

1829
03:19:11,420 --> 03:19:13,160
You want to bake a cake, the phase one.

1830
03:19:13,340 --> 03:19:15,240
Here's the recipe on what we would need to do,

1831
03:19:15,400 --> 03:19:18,820
and then you could take those to bid.

1832
03:19:19,640 --> 03:19:20,960
And rock them out and power become

1833
03:19:20,960 --> 03:19:22,100
of your general contractor.

1834
03:19:22,880 --> 03:19:24,380
Everything would be designed to their standards,

1835
03:19:24,600 --> 03:19:27,740
but then we could have all the different companies

1836
03:19:27,740 --> 03:19:29,940
that do this work, come bid on it.

1837
03:19:30,580 --> 03:19:33,140
So I just threw a lot of really boring stuff

1838
03:19:33,140 --> 03:19:36,580
that no one talks about in public at you,

1839
03:19:36,660 --> 03:19:39,880
with a lot of mats, and it's a very complex issue.

1840
03:19:39,880 --> 03:19:45,200
But we're kind of, I'd love to hear Council's thoughts, feelings on this kind of phased approach.

1841
03:19:46,340 --> 03:19:49,540
Again, we can further refine costs, we can further refine these pieces.

1842
03:19:50,200 --> 03:19:53,040
But I also want to say, these aren't things that we can just go through tomorrow.

1843
03:19:53,240 --> 03:19:55,600
There are many steps of plane that we need to get going on.

1844
03:19:55,600 --> 03:19:59,280
So that's why we want to present to you in this high level concept of saying,

1845
03:19:59,280 --> 03:19:59,880
Here we go.

1846
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:15,100
The right path, what more information would you want to hear or do you want to start really looking at varying that Snyderville line with the look to the future of moving the substation. So with that, I'm going to leave this up so we can scroll through maps, but I'll turn it over to it there.

1847
03:20:15,560 --> 03:20:19,220
How long would it feasibility study take four to six months?

1848
03:20:19,760 --> 03:20:21,360
Okay, that's not bad.

1849
03:20:21,760 --> 03:20:23,400
Wait, but questions do you have, right?

1850
03:20:23,400 --> 03:20:34,900
Just a quick one. So is there credit in phase one for just a snatter of the line for that additional acre in the arts and or the, sorry, whatever we'll call in to five acres now.

1851
03:20:35,440 --> 03:20:40,760
If you grow that side by 25% don't we have an offsetting value there, too.

1852
03:20:41,160 --> 03:20:48,460
That so the credits only come from like, oh, right now empowered only credits you on so there is a hard credits hard credits offset.

1853
03:20:48,460 --> 03:20:57,140
Yeah, because we're putting, but we're putting on the balance sheet in another acre of land usable land basically correct you could view that plus you know the cemetery benefits plus you're talking about hard aren't people

1854
03:20:57,140 --> 03:21:17,820
Yeah, I was talking about hard cash cash in cash out. So got what's that worth the maker in the center of town. I mean we paid what 20 million for five acres years ago. So it's a 25 right like a 25 30 million today. Yeah, that's that's a big loss. That's kind of where I didn't we have this conversation. Sorry, go ahead.

1855
03:21:17,820 --> 03:21:27,200
So just I just want to I just have a couple of questions when you said this is a big undertaking with construction. I mean, are you talking one season three, two seasons of shutting down.

1856
03:21:27,200 --> 03:21:33,640
Benanza curtains. That sort of area. Do you have it for phase one. Yeah, this would be a one season style.

1857
03:21:33,960 --> 03:21:36,940
Okay, and the the other thing to really quick is it doesn't.

1858
03:21:37,000 --> 03:21:44,960
You know, when you look at the tunnels and all these other issues too, you can't really every time you make a corner, you have to put in a junction box area.

1859
03:21:44,960 --> 03:21:52,080
So we would want to make sure this is cited well, but it's it's a big enough project that it's hard to share the ditch with other folks is nice.

1860
03:21:52,220 --> 03:21:59,440
Okay, and then can you just talk about how this would help with this is helping like a fire mitigation just Rocky Mountain power look at that in there.

1861
03:21:59,660 --> 03:22:00,100
There.

1862
03:22:00,440 --> 03:22:01,500
Yes, so making.

1863
03:22:02,040 --> 03:22:08,860
So what folks saw happen this past summer and they'll see happen next summer as well is is wildfire hardening that Rocky Mountain power is doing.

1864
03:22:08,860 --> 03:22:30,200
So we are viewed as a kind of a critical piece in the Rocky Mount Pire empire of just saying we don't want to cause a fire, but a lot of that is focused on the distribution wire so if you go out and look at the towers out there there are six wires up high and then there's a bunch of wires down low they're taking those down low wires and sticking them underground this would take those wires up high and stick them underground as well.

1865
03:22:30,200 --> 03:22:56,800
So yes, it does help with some of the hardening piece, but we don't need we wouldn't get huge credits for that because Rocky Mountain power saying hey we're we're sticking these high wires up even a little higher on metal towers we could probably receive credits on the metal towers they don't have to use but those metal towers are hundreds of thousands of dollars not millions and millions of dollars and then just my third question is by removing the the line I'm going to probably use the wrong term now.

1866
03:22:56,800 --> 03:23:00,280
I remember moving the poll that's in the five,

1867
03:23:00,280 --> 03:23:02,240
the five acres with the city owns.

1868
03:23:02,400 --> 03:23:05,400
What does that do for us in regards

1869
03:23:05,400 --> 03:23:07,460
to being able to build more dense?

1870
03:23:08,160 --> 03:23:11,800
Or, I mean, how does that impact us with what we decide

1871
03:23:11,800 --> 03:23:14,240
to build there versus what we could build there

1872
03:23:14,240 --> 03:23:14,920
at this moment?

1873
03:23:15,380 --> 03:23:17,400
Yeah, so this is, oops, here we go.

1874
03:23:17,540 --> 03:23:18,540
And you see this catch up.

1875
03:23:18,900 --> 03:23:20,880
So everywhere we see this purple line,

1876
03:23:21,320 --> 03:23:24,100
view there's a 60 foot swath that goes on both sides

1877
03:23:24,100 --> 03:23:25,220
of the purple line.

1878
03:23:25,220 --> 03:23:29,180
And again, we can, I can work with our GIS team to get a much more accurate map, but

1879
03:23:29,180 --> 03:23:33,400
truthfully, it's kind of, it's really interesting to go out and actually walk the site

1880
03:23:33,400 --> 03:23:38,420
and standardize the lines to be like, all right, 60 feet either way. So you have a 60 foot

1881
03:23:38,420 --> 03:23:43,940
aerial impingement that runs along this and you're limited in building height, 12 to 18 feet,

1882
03:23:44,840 --> 03:23:49,180
most of the time for this type. There's where there is that we might build up it up a little

1883
03:23:49,180 --> 03:23:53,920
there, we need to come down a little bit. But if you remove this, then all of a sudden that aerial

1884
03:23:53,920 --> 03:24:00,140
easement, then it's that the impingement is our planning code, not the actual utility.

1885
03:24:00,980 --> 03:24:05,500
I think that is really important, and I really hope everyone is listening to that who's been

1886
03:24:05,500 --> 03:24:11,920
part of this process is that right now we have an impingement, that's right word, in this area,

1887
03:24:12,220 --> 03:24:16,020
and by removing that, we would be able to build more guidance than we would be able to build more

1888
03:24:16,020 --> 03:24:20,540
of what people are asking for. I don't know that that's been a conversation in the past, so I just think that's

1889
03:24:20,540 --> 03:24:26,820
important that we have out there. There's a few things to probably elaborate on as we look at this.

1890
03:24:28,980 --> 03:24:34,780
So there's a tannis point. There's not really a do nothing option in my mind here. Like we've

1891
03:24:34,780 --> 03:24:42,500
got to clear that off of that parcel. We're planning a district that is going to be something

1892
03:24:43,060 --> 03:24:47,720
for the community to gather in. There's a lot of great ideas floating around.

1893
03:24:48,280 --> 03:24:54,880
60 feet on each side and talking about a fifth, which is about an acre being unusable with

1894
03:24:54,880 --> 03:24:59,940
a current situation. I mean, forget the hard dollar cost, which it looks like the value.

1895
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:14,720
You probably get close to the numbers we're talking about anyway. It would just be a shame to lose the opportunity to plan this without that constraint, especially because it goes through the middle of it. It doesn't even go along the side of it.

1896
03:25:15,320 --> 03:25:23,140
The the other one to really think about here jumping around a bit, not getting to utility wonky have a hard time with that too.

1897
03:25:24,460 --> 03:25:26,600
This is our entry corridor, right?

1898
03:25:27,420 --> 03:25:30,980
So people are coming into town and leaving town on this road.

1899
03:25:31,480 --> 03:25:32,820
Honestly, it'll probably get more busy

1900
03:25:32,820 --> 03:25:35,800
as the developments on the other side of the mountain

1901
03:25:35,800 --> 03:25:37,880
continue to pick up steam.

1902
03:25:39,500 --> 03:25:41,200
And what we're not really talking about,

1903
03:25:41,300 --> 03:25:42,380
I think we do have a representative

1904
03:25:42,380 --> 03:25:44,000
from Rocky Mountain Power here, don't we?

1905
03:25:44,260 --> 03:25:47,100
If I'm wrong, they can correct me if they are here.

1906
03:25:48,260 --> 03:25:50,600
The polls that they would put in

1907
03:25:50,600 --> 03:25:57,900
part of these mitigation efforts are different than the polls that exist today in terms of scale,

1908
03:25:58,700 --> 03:26:05,200
right, and really the breadth of them. They'd be adding on technology that lets them switch the

1909
03:26:05,200 --> 03:26:09,960
power off in case they would need to as part of those wildfire mitigation efforts, as it was

1910
03:26:09,960 --> 03:26:15,820
described to us in a previous meeting. And that technology does work well, but like any technology,

1911
03:26:15,820 --> 03:26:24,100
there's always risk of it not working well, and beyond that, what it means if it works well

1912
03:26:24,100 --> 03:26:29,720
is we don't have the transmission line energized, which means we don't have power, essentially.

1913
03:26:30,620 --> 03:26:34,960
And we've seen some alerts already earlier this year where they were sent out and said,

1914
03:26:34,960 --> 03:26:39,240
there's the risk that people might see their power go off because of wildfire mitigation efforts

1915
03:26:39,240 --> 03:26:44,880
when they were strong winds. And it's not to say, it's hard to isolate how much this could help

1916
03:26:44,880 --> 03:26:51,660
that cause, what we do know is it does help that cause. People can't live without power in the

1917
03:26:51,660 --> 03:26:57,780
modern times, as much as folks try to, even if they're off the grid, they have micro grid type

1918
03:26:57,780 --> 03:27:02,780
stuff and they're generating localized power to some degree. There's very few people who actually

1919
03:27:02,780 --> 03:27:09,740
function well without it altogether. And I'd contend Park City isn't one of those places where

1920
03:27:09,740 --> 03:27:12,160
that's a good idea strategically.

1921
03:27:13,460 --> 03:27:15,400
So, so the benefits on the wildfire, I mean,

1922
03:27:15,400 --> 03:27:19,640
we just not devastating fires all over the place,

1923
03:27:20,400 --> 03:27:23,660
the one in Hawaii at big cause was down power wires.

1924
03:27:24,720 --> 03:27:26,340
We have to be really careful here

1925
03:27:26,340 --> 03:27:28,020
and really focus on, you know,

1926
03:27:28,080 --> 03:27:30,140
not just the dollar cost benefits.

1927
03:27:31,140 --> 03:27:35,320
The other thing we'd be doing is like it or not,

1928
03:27:35,640 --> 03:27:38,460
we are going to have growth in two key areas of town

1929
03:27:38,460 --> 03:27:43,540
and there are entitlements for that growth in the next five to 10 years, right?

1930
03:27:44,440 --> 03:27:49,720
That growth, if it does turn out requires increased capacity coming into this station,

1931
03:27:50,460 --> 03:27:55,520
that problem magnifies as they're overhead, be it more wires or bigger wires or whatnot.

1932
03:27:56,820 --> 03:28:03,120
This gives us the opportunity to future prove ourselves a little bit and allow that capacity growth

1933
03:28:03,120 --> 03:28:08,100
if it is required in a way that doesn't have further impacts on the community, essentially,

1934
03:28:09,060 --> 03:28:15,100
which is another really important thing to keep in mind. And there are some other concerns

1935
03:28:15,100 --> 03:28:20,400
and we could go on about this for a long time. Last comment I'll make on on the big picture here.

1936
03:28:21,300 --> 03:28:26,420
I do think there's financial leverage in these projects as well. So be at phase one or phase two,

1937
03:28:27,220 --> 03:28:31,740
where we're giving these top line numbers because we don't want to have a number that we

1938
03:28:31,740 --> 03:28:37,020
Feel was dishonest when we come down to the rubber meat and the road on this.

1939
03:28:37,460 --> 03:28:39,280
We're digging up these streets for other reasons.

1940
03:28:39,300 --> 03:28:41,040
We're doing other utility projects.

1941
03:28:41,680 --> 03:28:43,520
There's a lot of stuff on the future slate.

1942
03:28:44,120 --> 03:28:46,540
The financial leverage there is significant.

1943
03:28:47,420 --> 03:28:51,800
You also see there's some private parcels that could be affected by future plans here.

1944
03:28:51,920 --> 03:28:56,040
And there's opportunities to collaborate on that front as well.

1945
03:28:56,040 --> 03:29:24,080
So it's one of these, if we can do it in a building block approach that enables future decisions and future councils to progress things versus trying to bandate it to unlock that parcel today on the corner, which there are options to bandate it, but it would restrict us from future ability to meet our communities needs potentially and this only gets more expensive over time.

1946
03:29:24,080 --> 03:29:28,340
We've had attempts at this in the past. It's more expensive now than it was then,

1947
03:29:28,620 --> 03:29:33,460
it's going to continue to get more expensive. So, you know, my full support's behind doing

1948
03:29:33,460 --> 03:29:38,420
the feasibility study here. I'm really putting pen to paper and seeing what makes sense in this

1949
03:29:38,420 --> 03:29:43,640
phase approach. This is unique, even though the concept is not unique, the approach here is unique.

1950
03:29:44,260 --> 03:29:48,800
The site potential site of a future substation is different than was talked about last time.

1951
03:29:48,800 --> 03:29:51,200
It's a way from all residential housing.

1952
03:29:52,680 --> 03:29:53,780
To me it's a no-brainer.

1953
03:29:54,140 --> 03:29:55,900
I think it's a full steam ahead thing.

1954
03:29:56,280 --> 03:29:57,080
I'll leave it there.

1955
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:19,540
Well, I mean, I love the idea of moving a substation. I would like to see our, you know, within the current framework of a council election. I'd like to hear what the community has to say about spending this kind of money on on this particular project.

1956
03:30:20,100 --> 03:30:23,740
Um, I think you're going to get a whole lot of, yeah, we would love to move the

1957
03:30:23,740 --> 03:30:24,440
substation.

1958
03:30:24,800 --> 03:30:26,000
Oh, my god, it's $50 million.

1959
03:30:26,460 --> 03:30:27,580
What does that?

1960
03:30:27,580 --> 03:30:28,540
How does that impact?

1961
03:30:28,540 --> 03:30:33,580
I understand what you're saying, Jeremy, in terms of, is it really a net net 50 million?

1962
03:30:33,800 --> 03:30:34,180
It's not.

1963
03:30:34,360 --> 03:30:35,880
There's give and take, and I get it.

1964
03:30:35,960 --> 03:30:36,800
There's a lot going on there.

1965
03:30:36,940 --> 03:30:40,700
There was another alignment we talked about going overhead.

1966
03:30:40,720 --> 03:30:42,340
That's not contemplated here.

1967
03:30:42,520 --> 03:30:44,700
And I don't, am I missing something?

1968
03:30:44,700 --> 03:30:50,380
did we just, is that, that done deal that we're not going to do that because this all kind

1969
03:30:50,380 --> 03:30:56,540
of came out, this all was born out of, do we go overhead or do we go underground? What happened

1970
03:30:56,540 --> 03:31:01,640
to that other alignment? Great question. So, just take a half quick step back. So,

1971
03:31:01,740 --> 03:31:05,920
Rocky Mountain Power did upgrade a bunch of their transmission towers long to 24 to those steel towers.

1972
03:31:06,580 --> 03:31:09,860
They still might, and again, this is just more of a flight into the community of people saying

1973
03:31:09,860 --> 03:31:14,440
you're idiots, you don't work together. They still might have to upgrade that, no matter what we

1974
03:31:14,440 --> 03:31:19,840
here, they would still upgrade the towers on the backside of Boohill. So that probably will just happen.

1975
03:31:19,980 --> 03:31:24,700
And if we do with the underground, then those towers would be removed. But there is such a concern

1976
03:31:24,700 --> 03:31:31,900
for wildfire for them. You've seen PSE going to bankruptcy. There is 70 million dollar settlement

1977
03:31:31,900 --> 03:31:34,900
against Rocky Mountain Power Sister Company Oregon. So again, I just wanted to put that out there,

1978
03:31:34,920 --> 03:31:39,040
like wildfires, very, very real for Rocky Mountain Power, we're working closely with them. We're also

1979
03:31:39,040 --> 03:31:42,140
in a public safety power shot up there. So I just wanted to kind of put that out there.

1980
03:31:42,140 --> 03:31:50,760
The aerial question that you're asking about next would take this purple line, it would go from here to here, and then it would fly across the cemetery.

1981
03:31:52,220 --> 03:31:59,340
There were some easement issues of, you know, we would have to compensate the landowner for the easements.

1982
03:31:59,340 --> 03:32:00,700
I believe it's the corner there.

1983
03:32:00,740 --> 03:32:10,240
Yeah, it's in this area, and it would still go back towards, and it would be overhead around the Benanza.

1984
03:32:11,060 --> 03:32:16,700
again I can let's get to find the right one. So it would go up through here and then swing across

1985
03:32:16,700 --> 03:32:22,420
tie in over here and then all of that would still be existing. The thought on that would be we

1986
03:32:22,420 --> 03:32:27,460
would have to we could that is still on the table and we could work with Rocky Mountain power to

1987
03:32:27,460 --> 03:32:34,900
look at changing this alignment to have it land here and then negotiate with the landowner on an

1988
03:32:34,900 --> 03:32:41,240
real easement because again, it puts that, it's, it's, it's, the easement is just, you can view it as if we're taking

1989
03:32:41,240 --> 03:32:45,960
where airspace food have to, justly compensate the, the landowner.

1990
03:32:46,620 --> 03:32:47,500
I understand, okay.

1991
03:32:47,920 --> 03:32:52,420
It seems to me that they, that Rocky Mountain Power has come a little ways on their fire mitigation,

1992
03:32:52,580 --> 03:32:54,420
especially along the backside of the hill.

1993
03:32:54,760 --> 03:33:00,060
The other fire mitigation conversations we're having here, you know, when we're talking about

1994
03:33:00,060 --> 03:33:04,700
undergrounding lines on these roads and all this stuff, I would contend that those power

1995
03:33:04,700 --> 03:33:11,140
shut off because of high wind or not because of high wind, along Dear Valley Drive and along

1996
03:33:11,140 --> 03:33:16,080
to 24, I would say that they're shutting the power off because of power lines that we're not

1997
03:33:16,080 --> 03:33:22,280
contemplating right now. So I'm not sure that that's like actually a impactful argument. I'm not

1998
03:33:22,280 --> 03:33:29,420
saying it's it's not valid, but I just don't see the wildfire starting on 224 being their main concern.

1999
03:33:29,420 --> 03:33:34,480
I think it's up in the mountains where all the trees are where most wildfire starts. So I want to

2000
03:33:34,480 --> 03:33:39,400
just trying to make sure we're having conversations about what we're actually going to have

2001
03:33:39,400 --> 03:33:46,720
impact on. I'm down with the feasibility study. It seems like phase one. Phase one makes

2002
03:33:46,720 --> 03:33:54,560
a lot of sense to me. It allows us some freedom moving forward and it might make a phase two easier

2003
03:33:54,560 --> 03:33:56,680
should that be a potential.

2004
03:33:58,940 --> 03:34:02,260
That said, it seems like Rocky Mountain Power is getting closer and closer

2005
03:34:02,260 --> 03:34:07,380
closer to this boot hill side being something they don't want to do, which would be great.

2006
03:34:07,860 --> 03:34:12,380
And maybe they could participate a little bit more in that $9 million cost to move to underground

2007
03:34:13,260 --> 03:34:19,780
but making sure that our residents understand that those roads are going to be dug up again

2008
03:34:19,780 --> 03:34:27,780
another year. We've been driving around cones on 224 a lot over the last five years and I think

2009
03:34:27,780 --> 03:34:34,820
people are starting to figure out like, hey, why can't we get everything done at once? Some efficiency

2010
03:34:34,820 --> 03:34:38,920
there, and I hear you talking about that now. I think we're talking about that on Main Street.

2011
03:34:39,580 --> 03:34:41,780
I think that that means to be contemplator for sure.

2012
03:34:44,450 --> 03:34:46,890
Yeah, I agree with doing number one. I think it's

2013
03:34:46,890 --> 03:34:51,510
really important to move that line out of the five acres just so that we can really make this project

2014
03:34:51,510 --> 03:34:58,910
pencil and be impactful for the community. 60 feet is a lot. I just really think that's important to

2015
03:34:58,910 --> 03:34:59,650
and I'll see you in the next one.

2016
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:05,620
And 10 second version here on the 50 million two. I mean, Luke mentioned that's the Cadillac version.

2017
03:35:07,040 --> 03:35:16,000
There are a lot of other options. Well, at least two or three other options that could be as much as half to two thirds of that cost,

2018
03:35:16,720 --> 03:35:24,060
which would be informed by the process moving forward, right? I want to be careful about anyone leaving the room from listening in today thinking,

2019
03:35:24,060 --> 03:35:32,320
Well, if they do this thing it's a $60 million deal. It doesn't have to be. That's from the current sub station all the way

2020
03:35:32,320 --> 03:35:36,760
Basically towards the bottom of the graphic there, which south, right?

2021
03:35:37,700 --> 03:35:44,500
Yeah, that's that's what the 50 million contemplates. If we stop at the current sub station, that number is very very very different.

2022
03:35:44,560 --> 03:35:51,440
Yeah, again, but that perspective, right? So if you had, if you just move this from here to here, you left this above ground and then you went underground here.

2023
03:35:51,440 --> 03:36:21,420
They're, you know, because like I said, if you're going from every foot you go from here back is $3, 200 dollars, right? So you could cost share saving, you know, there are ways to go about it, but I also want to be realistic to of this is not we can't negotiate this down to 10 we're still going to be 30 to 40 and then again, you can have others cost share, but the fake the concept is we don't have to take this all at once to if we did that phase one, especially with that additional conduit piece, we could set ourselves up to have phase two discussions of you could just bury transmission line.

2024
03:36:21,440 --> 03:36:27,260
and leave this where it is. You could move this over there. Again, we have many options to save it

2025
03:36:27,260 --> 03:36:32,660
and do all these other things. But I also just want to help put it in perspective of folks of

2026
03:36:32,660 --> 03:36:38,560
this isn't moving the substation and you're going to all this stuff. It's still expensive. We

2027
03:36:38,560 --> 03:36:42,720
can figure out ways to cost share and do all these other things. Again, Rocky Mountain Power is a great

2028
03:36:42,720 --> 03:36:47,920
has been a great partner. The CEO, who was also Park City resident, came to these meetings and

2029
03:36:47,920 --> 03:36:51,300
And you know, very clear on what we pay for,

2030
03:36:51,320 --> 03:36:52,480
how we could share concepts,

2031
03:36:52,800 --> 03:36:55,820
but also his hands are tied as well, right?

2032
03:36:55,920 --> 03:36:57,340
They're regulated until they have to look out

2033
03:36:57,340 --> 03:37:00,160
for all the rate payers as well and be fair to both sides.

2034
03:37:00,880 --> 03:37:02,980
So there are great partner in this,

2035
03:37:03,040 --> 03:37:05,240
but it's also, there's a reason you don't move

2036
03:37:05,240 --> 03:37:08,220
substations that often because you just think of,

2037
03:37:08,220 --> 03:37:09,320
there are five distribution.

2038
03:37:09,580 --> 03:37:11,560
There's five circuits that feed all of town

2039
03:37:11,560 --> 03:37:13,160
that come in here that aren't even on this map

2040
03:37:13,160 --> 03:37:14,420
and we move it up there.

2041
03:37:14,460 --> 03:37:17,440
Now we have to figure out how to reroute those five

2042
03:37:17,440 --> 03:37:22,100
under that whole mess as well. So it's a very, I keep saying it, but I don't want to

2043
03:37:22,100 --> 03:37:28,120
under, it's a very complex project. But the greatest ROI in the short term is

2044
03:37:28,120 --> 03:37:31,960
undergrowing those lines or at least moving those lines off of our five acre piece.

2045
03:37:33,180 --> 03:37:38,760
That phase one piece seems to make sense and it doesn't seem like we fully contemplated the return

2046
03:37:38,760 --> 03:37:47,780
not investment from the land perspective. And the relationship, you know, maintenance that's

2047
03:37:47,780 --> 03:37:52,280
necessary if we do something like that so that we're not impacting the land owners over there,

2048
03:37:52,540 --> 03:37:57,640
we're trying to keep things in the right away, etc. That seems to be a lot of alignment there,

2049
03:37:57,760 --> 03:37:59,780
at least as a as a step on.

2050
03:38:05,740 --> 03:38:10,420
Here. Thank you. It's right in my face here. Right in Becky,

2051
03:38:10,420 --> 03:38:13,440
Back of where are you on this?

2052
03:38:13,760 --> 03:38:14,440
Well, just a question.

2053
03:38:14,660 --> 03:38:19,440
As the feasibility study cover the questions about the subsistion move,

2054
03:38:19,560 --> 03:38:20,340
or does it just suggested?

2055
03:38:20,880 --> 03:38:20,960
No.

2056
03:38:21,260 --> 03:38:28,040
Just a phase two feasibility would be probably 3 to 400,000 to 500,000

2057
03:38:28,040 --> 03:38:28,380
or range.

2058
03:38:28,520 --> 03:38:31,620
Because that's, again, it gets you from, from we want to

2059
03:38:31,620 --> 03:38:32,160
make a cake.

2060
03:38:32,220 --> 03:38:33,120
Here's the full red.

2061
03:38:33,360 --> 03:38:35,940
So it gives you easements where you cross the row,

2062
03:38:36,060 --> 03:38:36,660
a junction box.

2063
03:38:36,880 --> 03:38:39,620
It lays it out so that we can flip it around and go to like a

2064
03:38:39,620 --> 03:38:47,240
document or have much better costs around it. So we would need to do a phase two feasibility study as well.

2065
03:38:47,660 --> 03:38:53,020
Okay, yeah, because even that cost is just going to go like this based on your approach

2066
03:38:53,020 --> 03:38:56,580
within the subsations of what you're very what you don't. But then you have a bunch of neighboring

2067
03:38:56,580 --> 03:39:00,220
property under two impactants. So you haven't even addressed the question of actually who pays,

2068
03:39:00,220 --> 03:39:00,900
who contributes.

2069
03:39:02,980 --> 03:39:09,340
So that's a big open question. And the other thing too is that we're dealing with

2070
03:39:09,340 --> 03:39:12,960
just like we sell it with a solar thing and like an international trade war and solar panels.

2071
03:39:13,200 --> 03:39:17,960
This ties into the international markets of copper, transformers and all, so there's stuff too.

2072
03:39:18,300 --> 03:39:23,620
So they're rock amount power does a 50% contingency which people always laugh at, but it's also,

2073
03:39:23,640 --> 03:39:28,580
you know, what's the price of copper going to be seven years out? So again, there's some wiggle room

2074
03:39:28,580 --> 03:39:34,060
that there's some uncertainty here that there are things that are within our control,

2075
03:39:34,060 --> 03:39:38,920
the cost shares, benefits to other property owners, there's also things outside our control

2076
03:39:38,920 --> 03:39:41,880
to price of copper utility infrastructure that's there.

2077
03:39:42,180 --> 03:39:45,280
Well, the feasibility study makes it kind of sense to me.

2078
03:39:45,500 --> 03:39:45,600
Okay.

2079
03:39:48,150 --> 03:39:52,830
Yeah, I think there had always been some consideration that we would want to move those power lines

2080
03:39:52,830 --> 03:39:55,190
out of the five acre site.

2081
03:39:56,430 --> 03:39:59,350
Can I just ask, is there any, is there any,

2082
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:06,120
A lititude to do the orange line, not buried, just above ground, but follow that same route.

2083
03:40:06,520 --> 03:40:07,840
We can do anything you want.

2084
03:40:08,320 --> 03:40:16,620
I mean, it's hard because, man, I see the benefit and underground to get. I also see the benefit and not spending $9 million and $60 million

2085
03:40:16,620 --> 03:40:29,460
if there are ways that we can get some of the same benefits. I understand that, you know, power pulls are ugly and they don't look great, but I think that it would be good to explore.

2086
03:40:30,000 --> 03:40:35,180
You know, maybe all the options that along those lines there.

2087
03:40:35,680 --> 03:40:39,440
And I'm comfortable with moving forward with phase one feasibility study.

2088
03:40:39,960 --> 03:40:45,700
So really quick back up is I think the feasibility study that would be successful is we want to make sure it's clearly defined.

2089
03:40:46,440 --> 03:40:56,240
So is the phase one just looking at that feasibility size it looking at the undergrounding or is it looking at an overhead version of this alignment as well.

2090
03:40:56,240 --> 03:40:59,160
would count to one, that worked in as well in a cost,

2091
03:40:59,480 --> 03:41:02,540
because there will be some aerial easement pieces

2092
03:41:02,540 --> 03:41:04,300
that we'd have to work from,

2093
03:41:04,300 --> 03:41:07,640
some pull, hearish from, you know, from here.

2094
03:41:08,840 --> 03:41:11,320
Again, would we want to work in an overhead version

2095
03:41:11,320 --> 03:41:13,340
of this as well to the feasibility study or not?

2096
03:41:13,600 --> 03:41:16,840
I mean, I don't know how much the cost difference is.

2097
03:41:16,840 --> 03:41:20,300
If you said, Becca, you can underground this for $9 million,

2098
03:41:20,560 --> 03:41:23,600
but we can just overhead it and it'll cost $2 million.

2099
03:41:23,600 --> 03:41:30,960
I don't know, I think our taxpayers might be interested in hearing that compromise, and because you still get this 70 extra

2100
03:41:32,460 --> 03:41:35,740
Cemetery spaces, you're still moving it out of the space

2101
03:41:37,040 --> 03:41:38,840
Maybe save some

2102
03:41:39,460 --> 03:41:52,080
Construction along Bonanza understanding that you'll still have to do some aerial easements or something. I can't speak to that if there's significant savings it might be worth exploring, but I don't know

2103
03:41:52,080 --> 03:41:56,080
I don't know what that means. I can't speak to that.

2104
03:41:56,960 --> 03:42:00,100
What is the double the feasibility cost of you both?

2105
03:42:00,620 --> 03:42:05,100
I can aren't people just give us that. I mean, my guess is probably wouldn't be double.

2106
03:42:05,700 --> 03:42:08,420
But again, we have dollars budgeted for this that we could figure out.

2107
03:42:08,520 --> 03:42:11,380
I think it's just for you how much you nail down the scope.

2108
03:42:11,680 --> 03:42:14,440
And we can work with our empty and it's not going to double the price.

2109
03:42:14,600 --> 03:42:17,120
So my guess would be maybe bump into the 200.

2110
03:42:17,400 --> 03:42:19,360
And again, I'm just holding this number out of the air.

2111
03:42:19,360 --> 03:42:26,320
Could you have an estimate though about what the cost difference would be between the orange underground or the orange overhead?

2112
03:42:26,500 --> 03:42:27,420
100%. We can get that.

2113
03:42:28,540 --> 03:42:31,940
I thought we could sort of discuss that out already, which is why I hadn't.

2114
03:42:32,220 --> 03:42:46,720
The alignment was different, and then there's again, there's the feasibility study, but then the costly different as well, because there are the aerial easement piece is you would have to work with the adjacent landowners on the ease because we couldn't run the transmission lines right up.

2115
03:42:46,720 --> 03:42:49,300
Well, we could, let's give it a wood bind.

2116
03:42:49,880 --> 03:42:50,680
John's role in the size.

2117
03:42:51,100 --> 03:42:52,440
Yeah, we'd have to figure out the alignment

2118
03:42:52,440 --> 03:42:54,740
of this transmission tower, especially through property

2119
03:42:54,740 --> 03:42:58,100
that we do not own and figure out the fair market.

2120
03:42:58,860 --> 03:43:02,960
Negotiate with the landowners here here

2121
03:43:02,960 --> 03:43:05,820
and here, because those are all non-city owned parcels.

2122
03:43:07,400 --> 03:43:09,480
So the feasibility study could say, this is the alignment.

2123
03:43:09,780 --> 03:43:11,180
And then the city would say,

2124
03:43:11,420 --> 03:43:13,520
either is the cost actually put the poles and wires up,

2125
03:43:13,560 --> 03:43:16,300
but then there's also the cost of procuring

2126
03:43:16,300 --> 03:43:24,400
the easements for Rocky Mountain palette. And you would lose the sidewalk, the path on the

2127
03:43:24,400 --> 03:43:28,460
cemetery side because you have to put the pole somewhere. Yeah, again, we can figure out where the

2128
03:43:28,460 --> 03:43:32,660
pole sit and all the other things but the poles will have to go somewhere. The original, we did

2129
03:43:32,660 --> 03:43:38,860
Rocky Mountain Power did work with us for it would be the here-ish. Again, this is to hear-ish, to

2130
03:43:38,860 --> 03:43:44,940
fly across the cemetery. Again, I can re-look at that as well and then it's just an negotiation around

2131
03:43:44,940 --> 03:43:48,060
that aerial easement piece and the costs on this.

2132
03:43:48,160 --> 03:43:50,900
But again, I think for one looking for for you

2133
03:43:50,900 --> 03:43:53,880
is just the scope of the feasibility study,

2134
03:43:53,880 --> 03:43:56,980
which again, we can chase budget on and that side of it,

2135
03:43:57,080 --> 03:43:58,640
would be what I'm hearing,

2136
03:43:58,780 --> 03:44:00,100
I just want to reiterate it back.

2137
03:44:00,480 --> 03:44:02,880
Cost for undergrounding under this arrangement,

2138
03:44:03,180 --> 03:44:10,320
cost of a potential overhead with the intent

2139
03:44:10,320 --> 03:44:14,180
of getting it out of the city owned land, correct?

2140
03:44:14,800 --> 03:44:21,650
And if we're doing it out of the city on land, out of the cemetery as well, is that comfortable?

2141
03:44:22,350 --> 03:44:32,750
I can weave that into a, okay, perfect. So the next step what you'll see is a feasibility study with that scope on a future agenda. Again, well, on the other

2142
03:44:32,750 --> 03:44:35,930
budget's and also the stuff we can do every night of the years on on that.

2143
03:44:36,070 --> 03:44:36,530
Okay, awesome.

2144
03:44:36,710 --> 03:44:37,130
Sounds great.

2145
03:44:37,290 --> 03:44:38,010
Thank you, Luke.

2146
03:44:40,150 --> 03:44:40,470
All right.

2147
03:44:40,670 --> 03:44:44,010
It's been a lot, a long morning here.

2148
03:44:44,130 --> 03:44:45,550
We've gotten a lot done, I think.

2149
03:44:46,230 --> 03:44:48,390
So we're going to open for some public input.

2150
03:44:49,070 --> 03:44:53,330
And if you have a comment and you're joining us virtually and want to make a comment,

2151
03:44:53,530 --> 03:44:55,050
please go ahead and put your hand up now.

2152
03:44:55,670 --> 03:44:59,890
And we're only going to take public input on the long range planning initiatives that we

2153
03:45:02,080 --> 03:45:06,700
So, with that, we'll open it. Anybody have a comment they'd like to make.

2154
03:45:07,240 --> 03:45:07,340
Come on

2155
03:45:10,060 --> 03:45:11,760
up.

2156
03:45:13,060 --> 03:45:13,200
Hello.

2157
03:45:24,620 --> 03:45:26,520
And as a reminder, we do.

2158
03:45:27,080 --> 03:45:34,900
When you make your public comment, we ask that you sign in and tell the council your name for the public record, as well as your zip code.

2159
03:45:34,900 --> 03:45:38,520
And then we do have a three minute limit on our public comments.

2160
03:45:39,280 --> 03:45:41,660
Thank you. Cynthia Washington.

2161
03:45:42,500 --> 03:45:44,000
I live in Pineborough.

2162
03:45:44,900 --> 03:45:45,920
Oh, Cynthia Washington.

2163
03:45:46,300 --> 03:45:47,020
I live in Pineborough.

2164
03:45:47,520 --> 03:45:49,560
My zip code 84098.

2165
03:45:50,380 --> 03:45:54,560
I have been a local of almost 19 years on December,

2166
03:45:55,340 --> 03:46:00,420
24, well, 2023 will be 19 years.

2167
03:46:01,120 --> 03:46:04,360
So I'm invested heavily in Park City.

2168
03:46:04,360 --> 03:46:18,580
And as I've been listening, my one comment is intersectionality, you have a lot of big projects and I love the unity and commitment on this team and everything that you're doing.

2169
03:46:19,460 --> 03:46:27,620
But I think when you think intersectionality, you can save money and work together with your business partners.

2170
03:46:27,620 --> 03:46:36,000
the resorts to really come together and enhance this community in the aspects you are all

2171
03:46:36,000 --> 03:46:42,780
of why you did. So thank you for what you're doing. Thank you for that. Any other comments?

2172
03:46:44,580 --> 03:46:45,420
Come on up.

2173
03:46:51,440 --> 03:46:59,640
What am I supposed to sing? Mark Fisher and I'm a landowner in the area currently on the yard

2174
03:47:00,140 --> 03:47:06,440
And for those of you that don't know, I sold what is the five acre parcel to the city five years ago.

2175
03:47:07,280 --> 03:47:11,280
This has been a subject that's been brewing in my mind for over 20 years.

2176
03:47:11,560 --> 03:47:14,200
And I just want to applaud you all for getting to this point.

2177
03:47:14,220 --> 03:47:21,300
I think it's the only way to unlock the full potential of this area of town by the end of the park.

2178
03:47:22,200 --> 03:47:30,280
I'd like to thank that the feasibility study in the $9 million as the way to go with the

2179
03:47:30,280 --> 03:47:36,220
option of taking the next step further and to answer Becca's question, we've already spent

2180
03:47:36,220 --> 03:47:42,920
two to three years looking at the overhead option, which would encompass 60 feet of my property,

2181
03:47:42,920 --> 03:47:52,660
which I have rejected, the idea of unencombring city owned property to then encomber a private

2182
03:47:52,660 --> 03:48:00,060
owner's property won't work. That would be tied up in litigation for years and years

2183
03:48:00,060 --> 03:48:08,120
and delay any progress. It just totally devalues my property while doubling the value of

2184
03:48:08,120 --> 03:48:15,180
city on property, which if you think about it isn't fair. So we've been through this and

2185
03:48:15,180 --> 03:48:19,920
I've had extensive conversations with Rocky Mountain Power. They've even threatened to condemn

2186
03:48:19,920 --> 03:48:27,000
my property in multiple letters. And thankfully the city is at my back on that. If the city,

2187
03:48:27,080 --> 03:48:32,460
the only way they can condemn my property, because I will never sign an easement, is if the city

2188
03:48:32,460 --> 03:48:39,140
grants an easement over the recycle center to my south border and over the cemetery to my

2189
03:48:39,140 --> 03:48:45,100
north border. So if the city does that, the city is signaling to Rocky Mountain power to condemn

2190
03:48:45,100 --> 03:48:51,680
my property. I just can't tell you that's not going to go down without a fight. And I don't

2191
03:48:51,680 --> 03:48:58,720
say that to be mean. I just don't think it's fair. Now, aside from all that, if we go with phase one

2192
03:48:58,720 --> 03:49:09,740
And spending $9 million, the more important reason to do that, is the city can then build up to 50 feet, 45 feet high with a five foot parapet just like they're doing on the engine house.

2193
03:49:10,360 --> 03:49:13,380
So they will dramatically increase the value of that land.

2194
03:49:14,040 --> 03:49:23,620
My most recent estimate from the praiser was from the $20 million that they paid, it would go to a minimum of $40 million as is.

2195
03:49:23,620 --> 03:49:28,520
would double and grow you because of the development potential, which is what Tana was asking

2196
03:49:28,520 --> 03:49:36,720
about earlier. That is more than enough value to pay or phase one. Additionally of all the other

2197
03:49:36,720 --> 03:49:42,840
benefits and savings, fire, reduction hazards, and so on. So the big picture has nothing to do

2198
03:49:42,840 --> 03:49:49,000
really with overheading, overheading is really not an option because it doesn't unlock the potential

2199
03:49:49,000 --> 03:49:54,620
of development and doesn't allow this neighborhood over the next several decades to become

2200
03:49:54,620 --> 03:49:59,700
as incredible as it could be. Of course, I'm also in favor of phase two.

2201
03:50:00,690 --> 03:50:30,670
Because that will allow that area to become something very special next to the engine house. It eliminates the EMT concerns that some people have. And it just, again, further unlocks the potential. And again, as I think forward, is the Olympics most likely coming here in 10 years. There's no telling what this piece of land could do to help us provide a better experience for everyone. So, I would like to encourage the council to continue. And to really, I don't know what to do.

2202
03:50:30,690 --> 03:50:39,990
I think it's necessary to include the overhead option in the feasibility study because I don't think that's going to be possible to do.

2203
03:50:40,190 --> 03:50:45,310
And I'm a friend of the city. I want to remain a friend of the city and I don't want to be put in an awkward situation.

2204
03:50:46,130 --> 03:50:50,690
So I would certainly encourage the city to proceed with option one with undergrounding.

2205
03:50:51,290 --> 03:50:58,170
And of course, the location above the Zion bank on city owned property is a fantastic location because

2206
03:50:58,170 --> 03:51:02,190
EMPs and different things don't affect people laying under the ground in the cemetery.

2207
03:51:02,970 --> 03:51:07,890
There's no possibility of residential development in that area, and I know there's several

2208
03:51:07,890 --> 03:51:13,550
people here from the Park Meadows area that would love to see those polls also removed from their

2209
03:51:13,550 --> 03:51:18,730
side. Thank you. Thank you, Mark. Did you sign in? Do we have any hands upon the line?

2210
03:51:23,230 --> 03:51:23,230
Okay.

2211
03:51:40,480 --> 03:51:43,480
Good afternoon, Council Mayor. Bill Soraco.

2212
03:51:43,480 --> 03:51:51,060
So 8406O, just want to echo a few of the comments from Mr. Fisher, and just talk a little bit about the math.

2213
03:51:51,680 --> 03:52:01,480
It was pointed out in the presentation that if we underground the lines that frees up that quarter of 60 feet wide through that property, which allows us to

2214
03:52:01,480 --> 03:52:06,900
built through a higher height, and it was talked that that was about 20% of the property.

2215
03:52:08,000 --> 03:52:12,580
So if you do the easy math, if we just assume that the properties were 5 million in

2216
03:52:12,580 --> 03:52:18,680
acre, you say, okay, we're freeing out 5 million dollars of incremental value by undergrowing

2217
03:52:18,680 --> 03:52:19,360
the power lines.

2218
03:52:19,820 --> 03:52:24,140
The value is actually higher than that because that actually gives us the freedom, the

2219
03:52:24,140 --> 03:52:29,340
plan better on that site and not have the site and what we plan there, by-sected by this

2220
03:52:29,340 --> 03:52:35,720
transmission easement. So I would argue that the values probably more than the $5 million dollars

2221
03:52:35,720 --> 03:52:41,100
per acre or whatever the per acre price is if we underground the lines. And that's what I want

2222
03:52:41,100 --> 03:52:43,400
to add. Thank you.

2223
03:52:45,930 --> 03:52:49,950
Thank you. Good day,

2224
03:52:56,690 --> 03:53:01,470
Angela. Let's get it 84060. I also would like to offer support

2225
03:53:01,470 --> 03:53:07,470
For phase one and echo mark Fisher's comment that I don't think it's necessary to

2226
03:53:08,790 --> 03:53:13,470
pursue the overground option. Something that wasn't really mentioned.

2227
03:53:14,550 --> 03:53:19,810
There's the obvious increase in value to what the city owns, if that all goes away.

2228
03:53:20,190 --> 03:53:23,530
But then there is the increase in value to all of the surrounding property.

2229
03:53:24,610 --> 03:53:31,450
So when we talk about public private partnerships, perhaps something that could be looked to when we're

2230
03:53:32,830 --> 03:53:44,410
Is the net differential right how those property values would increase and then perhaps approaching some of those property owners and asking them to contribute to maybe a portion of that.

2231
03:53:45,270 --> 03:53:48,430
To me 50 million dollars if that's the Cadillac option.

2232
03:53:49,390 --> 03:54:00,710
I would say cost out the Ferrari. I think in the grand scheme of things 50 million plus nine million actually sounds like nothing when we consider all of this so yeah strongly strongly in favor. Thank you.

2233
03:54:01,590 --> 03:54:02,790
Thank you.

2234
03:54:03,350 --> 03:54:10,350
And also, sorry, I just wanted to add that discussion today has been some of the most substantive and impressive discussion.

2235
03:54:10,770 --> 03:54:23,390
I have ever witnessed of any council and just a huge shout out to Eric Danets and that presentation that you put together for Main Street, the technology, all of it, just my mind is blown.

2236
03:54:23,670 --> 03:54:24,870
So thanks for that, too.

2237
03:54:25,490 --> 03:54:26,290
Thank you.

2238
03:54:27,190 --> 03:54:28,050
Any other comments?

2239
03:54:28,050 --> 03:54:29,110
come on up.

2240
03:54:54,500 --> 03:54:59,800
Hi, everyone. My name is Dick Rammis, of 84060. I live behind.

2241
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:07,300
Good Hill. And I just wanted to give the perspective of being a resident who lives behind that hill in the fire risk.

2242
03:55:08,140 --> 03:55:15,980
We've had winds. And remember, we're on the back side. So the wind has to hit the hill and then come down in the valley where we are.

2243
03:55:16,100 --> 03:55:21,180
We've had trees blown over because of the power of the winds that come down the valley.

2244
03:55:21,780 --> 03:55:24,820
We can only imagine what they're like up in the top of the hill.

2245
03:55:24,820 --> 03:55:32,680
So we support phase one. We commend you on working on that. It does seem like a no-brainer.

2246
03:55:33,360 --> 03:55:38,900
The other thing I wanted to mention is quickly is in phase two.

2247
03:55:39,300 --> 03:55:44,780
You might remember it seems like at least if you do move the substation,

2248
03:55:45,040 --> 03:55:52,580
you gain 0.8 acres to do something more with probably in conjunction with the arts and culture district.

2249
03:55:52,580 --> 03:55:59,580
So that's another value add. That's all I have. Thank you. Anyone else?

2250
03:56:00,400 --> 03:56:05,580
Yeah. Okay. Hi, Ed.

2251
03:56:07,730 --> 03:56:13,090
Hello Mayor, gentle. As Angela said, it's been a great discussion this morning.

2252
03:56:15,050 --> 03:56:17,930
I love that we're going through this discussion here.

2253
03:56:17,930 --> 03:56:24,070
I just want to throw Mike do sent him on the phase one or the removal of the

2254
03:56:24,070 --> 03:56:24,730
power station.

2255
03:56:25,150 --> 03:56:30,430
100% agree with pretty much all the comments and the previous comment took my line

2256
03:56:30,430 --> 03:56:31,650
no brainer.

2257
03:56:31,690 --> 03:56:38,090
I think it is a no brainer if we want to do a balanced park village that will area properly

2258
03:56:38,730 --> 03:56:40,370
as we want to do.

2259
03:56:40,550 --> 03:56:46,950
So I don't think there's any question as that power station has to go to do this properly

2260
03:56:46,950 --> 03:56:49,330
And of course, we want to do it properly.

2261
03:56:49,990 --> 03:56:55,550
So the price, yes, looks like a lot, but if you think long term,

2262
03:56:56,130 --> 03:56:57,370
50 years down the road,

2263
03:56:57,570 --> 03:57:03,730
amortized that, I think it's a well worth the annual cost

2264
03:57:03,730 --> 03:57:04,930
of that project.

2265
03:57:05,730 --> 03:57:09,850
So my two thumbs up for proceeding on this thing,

2266
03:57:09,970 --> 03:57:13,390
so we can tie it in directly when we start building

2267
03:57:13,390 --> 03:57:14,750
and over there at Penanza.

2268
03:57:15,770 --> 03:57:19,030
And I think that all has to go together.

2269
03:57:20,170 --> 03:57:21,730
So I appreciate all you doing.

2270
03:57:22,690 --> 03:57:23,930
And I'm going to continue listening

2271
03:57:23,930 --> 03:57:24,950
for the rest of the day.

2272
03:57:25,390 --> 03:57:26,310
So thank you.

2273
03:57:26,590 --> 03:57:27,950
Thanks for joining us, Ed.

2274
03:57:28,570 --> 03:57:29,270
You back.

2275
03:57:29,430 --> 03:57:31,050
Any other hands up online?

2276
03:57:34,450 --> 03:57:35,770
Anyone else here want to speak?

2277
03:57:36,350 --> 03:57:37,250
Come on up.

2278
03:58:05,790 --> 03:58:06,710
Mike Swaney?

2279
03:58:07,550 --> 03:58:11,510
I'm not a resident in Park City, but a property owner.

2280
03:58:12,310 --> 03:58:20,990
My family has been around since 1930, and we have been doing a lot of support in this community

2281
03:58:20,990 --> 03:58:28,930
over the decades, and I also have done a lot of work for Mark Fisher, and I know he knows

2282
03:58:28,930 --> 03:58:35,130
what he's talking about, and I have a little bit of a background as a minor, a bit in the

2283
03:58:35,130 --> 03:58:41,770
business and in addition to doing development work. We did the lower mainstream. We

2284
03:58:41,770 --> 03:58:47,750
two brothers and I. So I'm supporting the idea of varying power lines. I think it's a good

2285
03:58:47,750 --> 03:58:54,590
idea. I would like to do it everywhere if I could. Including in my own backyard. It would

2286
03:58:54,590 --> 03:59:00,770
allow us to do that. So I believe that this is the way of the future. And if you look around and

2287
03:59:00,770 --> 03:59:06,850
see all of the new developments that are going around in Utah. Those developments are all underground

2288
03:59:06,850 --> 03:59:15,070
with their electrical grids. And I think that this is a good opportunity to move in the right

2289
03:59:15,070 --> 03:59:21,470
direction into the future. Thank you. Thank you. Anyone else?

2290
03:59:22,750 --> 03:59:23,730
I'm up.

2291
03:59:37,360 --> 03:59:38,260
Jane Riley.

2292
03:59:39,040 --> 03:59:40,440
Eight, four, zero, six, zero.

2293
03:59:41,520 --> 03:59:45,620
I truly believe that in 20 years if we

2294
03:59:45,620 --> 03:59:48,940
bury the power lines in 20, 30 years,

2295
03:59:49,420 --> 03:59:53,100
there's no way we will regret that.

2296
03:59:53,460 --> 03:59:54,960
Thank you.

2297
03:59:57,620 --> 03:59:58,720
Any other comments?

2298
04:00:00,050 --> 04:00:18,650
If not, we'll close the public input session section of this, and we'll move into a working lunch. So council, if you want to, I lunch is around in the hallway. If you want to get those, we have some folks here from the leadership class that are going to do a little let's talk session with us while we eat.

2299
04:12:41,200 --> 04:12:42,080
A while.

2300
04:12:45,160 --> 04:13:13,270
We have some folks here from the Park City Leadership class. And their project this year has been a series called Let's Talk. And most of the councils have been through the sessions. So they're doing a little extra one for us today and talking about storytelling and I can't wait to get started. Scott and Virginia. Thank you for coming. Hi, everyone. My name's Virginia. I use they then pronouns.

2301
04:13:14,270 --> 04:13:30,230
And we understand that we can't take credit for the state of the conversation that Angela and Ed pointed out was happening here this morning, but I can't not point out the correlation, oh I got to say maybe a little bit of correlation who knows

2302
04:13:33,240 --> 04:13:34,460
so

2303
04:13:37,280 --> 04:13:49,080
we're going to we're going to get our bearings here. I'm sorry, zoomers, we move around a lot so hopefully that's okay, and it's going to be a great experience for everybody here. So really quickly, this is our agenda for what we're going to go through.

2304
04:13:49,100 --> 04:13:50,200
through over the next hour.

2305
04:13:51,360 --> 04:13:57,880
And we have our hope is to get to here in about 10, 15 minutes.

2306
04:13:58,260 --> 04:13:59,480
So we're going to zoom through the beginning.

2307
04:14:00,200 --> 04:14:02,520
This is a presentation about storytelling,

2308
04:14:02,840 --> 04:14:05,220
and how storytelling can help us communicate to connect.

2309
04:14:05,560 --> 04:14:07,040
For those of you, a lot of the council members,

2310
04:14:07,260 --> 04:14:09,380
you've been to one of our formal trainings.

2311
04:14:09,820 --> 04:14:11,160
This is all new stuff.

2312
04:14:11,700 --> 04:14:13,460
So hopefully it's exciting,

2313
04:14:13,460 --> 04:14:14,720
and we can kind of get through a few things.

2314
04:14:16,160 --> 04:14:18,080
But Virginia now, we're talking about this.

2315
04:14:18,080 --> 04:14:20,620
and we said, you know, 80% of what we talk about

2316
04:14:20,620 --> 04:14:22,540
and let's talk, that's actually about listening.

2317
04:14:22,900 --> 04:14:25,040
So we should do a quick refresher on less than.

2318
04:14:26,040 --> 04:14:29,540
I actually presented once to City Council,

2319
04:14:30,360 --> 04:14:31,440
early summer, does anybody remember?

2320
04:14:32,600 --> 04:14:33,240
You do.

2321
04:14:34,260 --> 04:14:35,400
That's exactly right.

2322
04:14:35,500 --> 04:14:37,020
I was presenting on child care.

2323
04:14:37,600 --> 04:14:40,320
I remember, but do you remember what I said or how it went?

2324
04:14:41,040 --> 04:14:43,220
No, but you're right.

2325
04:14:45,060 --> 04:14:47,200
Mayor, you were actually out of town and missed it,

2326
04:14:47,200 --> 04:14:52,660
which I'm so happy about because I bombed. It was awful. Well, thank you for saying that. That's

2327
04:14:52,660 --> 04:14:59,380
very nice of you. But I attempted to tell a story at City Council and I lost my three lines.

2328
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:16,480
Miss the landing, I kind of stood there like, eh, but I will tell you this, every single one of you was an active listener. You were all tuned in, you were all giving me a tremendous amount of respect. There were two of you in particular who I'll call out that were above and beyond that. First,

2329
04:15:18,500 --> 04:15:27,820
there was Matt sitting off to decide. So I want you to imagine I've gotten more here, better looking, better looking there. And as soon as I started talking,

2330
04:15:33,400 --> 04:15:36,920
As soon as I started talking, Matt went like this,

2331
04:15:40,360 --> 04:15:41,680
and he leaned forward and he started

2332
04:15:41,680 --> 04:15:44,480
looking at me, ooh, Matt's tuned in.

2333
04:15:47,100 --> 04:15:48,320
Got a little overclocked.

2334
04:15:48,580 --> 04:15:50,280
Tana, do you play poker?

2335
04:15:52,740 --> 04:15:53,140
Don't.

2336
04:15:55,410 --> 04:15:59,270
You are one of the most expressive people that I have ever seen, and you were lean forward.

2337
04:15:59,470 --> 04:16:00,410
Your hands were active.

2338
04:16:00,410 --> 04:16:01,370
You were into it.

2339
04:16:01,390 --> 04:16:02,410
I was so excited.

2340
04:16:03,530 --> 04:16:04,190
Active listening.

2341
04:16:04,390 --> 04:16:07,470
It made a huge impact on me, even though I bombed it was not their fault.

2342
04:16:07,470 --> 04:16:13,390
made a huge impact on me and I would say that there's probably a reason at least in my mind that

2343
04:16:13,390 --> 04:16:18,350
you two in particular were so tuned in. We had just gotten back from city tour. I had dinner with

2344
04:16:18,350 --> 04:16:22,510
Tana, I had dinner with Matt. We had a lot of good conversations and I think you were just rooting for

2345
04:16:22,510 --> 04:16:27,010
me. It wasn't as much that you were, I mean, I think you were interested in what I had to say,

2346
04:16:27,130 --> 04:16:33,950
but you wanted me to do well. And I felt that. As a as a council, I would just leave that as a story

2347
04:16:33,950 --> 04:16:35,710
of something to kind of think about.

2348
04:16:36,090 --> 04:16:39,610
How we kind of tell ourselves, an active listening

2349
04:16:39,610 --> 04:16:41,310
from body language standpoint,

2350
04:16:41,510 --> 04:16:43,030
from the way that we engage with people,

2351
04:16:43,310 --> 04:16:44,690
even though you might not even realize

2352
04:16:44,690 --> 04:16:47,490
that you're doing it has a huge, huge impact

2353
04:16:47,490 --> 04:16:49,750
on those who are trying to communicate with you.

2354
04:16:57,380 --> 04:17:00,840
So yes, a segueing from one of the super important takeaways

2355
04:17:00,840 --> 04:17:03,000
of Let's Talk, which is about listening,

2356
04:17:03,800 --> 04:17:05,900
to what we're here to do today,

2357
04:17:06,300 --> 04:17:08,580
what for the folks who were able to attend the training

2358
04:17:08,580 --> 04:17:13,690
was your kind of takeaway about what the training really was trying to get us all to think about

2359
04:17:15,300 --> 04:17:26,550
pop quiz no part yeah so a lot of it about effective communication but how your communications

2360
04:17:26,550 --> 04:17:36,730
received and how you receive others communications as well I mean I'll time into I think the first thing we

2361
04:17:36,730 --> 04:17:42,670
thing we did was tell stories with somebody who was sitting next to us and I think my

2362
04:17:42,670 --> 04:17:47,830
comment at the end of our session was I can't believe I'm forgetting this gentleman's name

2363
04:17:47,830 --> 04:17:55,150
who I was talking with but I remember some very personal details about him and how connected we

2364
04:17:55,150 --> 04:18:04,210
got inside of two minutes we both told each other something about ourselves that rarely comes out

2365
04:18:04,210 --> 04:18:06,450
even some of our deepest relationships.

2366
04:18:08,110 --> 04:18:12,190
And so there was like this connection piece that we were all bought into.

2367
04:18:12,650 --> 04:18:15,350
Yeah, awesome. Perfect. And just for those of you who weren't there,

2368
04:18:15,830 --> 04:18:19,590
the question that they were talking about was your favorite childhood junk food.

2369
04:18:20,030 --> 04:18:23,250
So, never, never underestimate the power of a big question.

2370
04:18:24,030 --> 04:18:29,270
But yeah, exactly. That takeaway from let's talk is about communicating to connect, right?

2371
04:18:29,270 --> 04:18:34,170
not communicating to convince, but understanding that sometimes is important to be speaking

2372
04:18:34,170 --> 04:18:39,110
with facts and figures and details, but sometimes it's really just important to create an

2373
04:18:39,110 --> 04:18:42,850
emotional connection with the person within your speaking, and so that's part of why we're

2374
04:18:42,850 --> 04:18:47,170
choosing to focus on storytelling today. Also, because it kind of seemed like the most fun thing

2375
04:18:47,170 --> 04:18:53,790
for you all to do during your lunch. We get to practice. We fun. But before we get into that,

2376
04:18:53,830 --> 04:18:57,850
just real quick, we talk about this a little bit in the presentation, but I want to go into just a

2377
04:18:57,850 --> 04:19:10,590
a little bit more detail. Storytelling is actually built into our DNA as people. It is the way that we have connected over centuries over millennia and it has an impact when somebody starts telling a story on our actual brain chemistry.

2378
04:19:11,510 --> 04:19:16,410
So when I start telling a story, you actually release a little bit of dopamine in your brain.

2379
04:19:17,370 --> 04:19:24,550
It's built on anticipation. You start to understand, ooh, somebody's telling me a story and that anticipation grows. What does dopamine do for us?

2380
04:19:24,550 --> 04:19:31,470
build focus, build motivation, and build memory. These are really important characteristics

2381
04:19:31,470 --> 04:19:35,990
if we're trying to communicate with somebody. When I tell a story that has some empathy,

2382
04:19:36,890 --> 04:19:40,530
hopefully the story that I've told at the beginning of this had a little empathy, what happens

2383
04:19:40,530 --> 04:19:45,530
on your side? You become more generous towards me, maybe a little bit more trusting. These are probably

2384
04:19:45,530 --> 04:19:51,330
really good things as public officers to be able to build in our audience. And then finally,

2385
04:19:51,330 --> 04:19:57,730
make you laugh. Release is some endorphins. When you release endorphins, you become more creative.

2386
04:19:57,930 --> 04:19:59,730
You become more relaxed, you become more focused.

2387
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:11,020
These are really, really good things to understand as a communicator and what storytelling can unlock. So, it builds context for a storytelling can help us with that and also empathy.

2388
04:20:11,880 --> 04:20:22,140
Before we get into some of the specifics, I want to talk about something that is near and dear to my heart. It's called officially the Curse of Knowledge, which is not a political indictment on our times.

2389
04:20:22,300 --> 04:20:26,760
It is actually something that we think about in storytelling. So, Curse of Knowledge is simply this.

2390
04:20:26,760 --> 04:20:37,300
The more detailed we get on a subject, the more we get to know and study and understand a specific subject, it is human nature to want to say all the things when we're communicating with somebody.

2391
04:20:38,020 --> 04:20:43,640
See, exactly opposite of what you should do. So tell you a quick story. Anybody know what the ad council is?

2392
04:20:44,040 --> 04:20:49,840
It's like the ad agency for the government, right? So they do public service announcements. They actually put together creative.

2393
04:20:49,840 --> 04:20:56,900
So, in the 1980s, the ad council was tasked with having Americans to getting Americans to stop eating

2394
04:20:56,900 --> 04:21:00,880
a movie theater popcorn, to terrible mission.

2395
04:21:01,140 --> 04:21:03,760
As an ad guy, I don't want that mission, right?

2396
04:21:04,340 --> 04:21:10,000
But what they knew is that back then, the oil that was being used to make popcorn is really

2397
04:21:10,000 --> 04:21:10,760
really bad for us.

2398
04:21:10,840 --> 04:21:16,980
In fact, a single-medium popcorn had 37 grams of saturated fat, which is twice the average

2399
04:21:16,980 --> 04:21:18,540
daily allowance of saturated fat.

2400
04:21:18,540 --> 04:21:24,400
And what the ad council knew is that that caused heart disease, caused all forms of medical

2401
04:21:24,400 --> 04:21:27,760
issues, drove up medical bills, all kinds of bad things happened.

2402
04:21:28,800 --> 04:21:30,180
But how do they communicate that?

2403
04:21:30,280 --> 04:21:32,240
How do they actually do this in an effective way?

2404
04:21:32,600 --> 04:21:38,440
Knowing all of those things and deciding not to fall prey to the person knowledge, they created

2405
04:21:38,440 --> 04:21:40,680
an ad that said this simply.

2406
04:21:41,520 --> 04:21:43,480
One medium movie theater popcorn.

2407
04:21:47,420 --> 04:21:55,500
One movie theater popcorn is the equivalent of an all-American breakfast, a big Mac

2408
04:21:55,500 --> 04:22:00,720
happy meal, or a steak dinner with all the trimmings combined.

2409
04:22:02,500 --> 04:22:03,340
That was it.

2410
04:22:04,300 --> 04:22:05,240
What did it do?

2411
04:22:06,600 --> 04:22:08,880
Made people feel gross, right?

2412
04:22:09,420 --> 04:22:14,200
movie theater popcorn sales plummeted in three months, movie theaters across the country

2413
04:22:14,200 --> 04:22:17,040
were forced to change the way that they were making the popcorn, and it was simple.

2414
04:22:17,160 --> 04:22:18,080
They just changed the oil.

2415
04:22:18,220 --> 04:22:22,680
It didn't look quite so good, but it had a huge impact on the health and well-being of the

2416
04:22:22,680 --> 04:22:23,460
people who were eager to get.

2417
04:22:23,980 --> 04:22:29,760
This is an example of a really successful storytelling that didn't fall prey to the curse of

2418
04:22:29,760 --> 04:22:30,040
knowledge.

2419
04:22:35,120 --> 04:22:35,400
All right.

2420
04:22:38,170 --> 04:22:39,030
Let's bring it in here.

2421
04:22:39,110 --> 04:22:43,750
I'm bringing it into this room and let anyone who's still really like to be theater popcorn

2422
04:22:43,750 --> 04:22:49,670
just stay with it. So we can, I guess, expand this because we have more than the city

2423
04:22:49,670 --> 04:22:55,910
company with us today, but we all kind of know each other, right? Small-time life. Who is the best

2424
04:22:55,910 --> 04:23:00,550
story now in this room? Mild. All right.

2425
04:23:03,230 --> 04:23:08,150
What makes miles, fairly unanimously, it turns out.

2426
04:23:09,690 --> 04:23:11,370
Evidently, such a good storyteller.

2427
04:23:12,890 --> 04:23:17,270
His, his demeanor, he's very neutral in his storytelling,

2428
04:23:18,410 --> 04:23:21,590
and even if it's a bad story or a good story,

2429
04:23:22,070 --> 04:23:26,310
maybe I don't know. I mean, like, your emotions don't, obviously,

2430
04:23:26,830 --> 04:23:30,930
as we have learned, I, she will a lot of emotion in my storytelling.

2431
04:23:30,930 --> 04:23:35,110
His is just very neutral, and he regulates his nervous system well.

2432
04:23:35,910 --> 04:23:39,990
Yeah, he's very funny, everybody makes himself usually the burn of the joke.

2433
04:23:40,530 --> 04:23:42,650
Yeah, well, a little bit of self-deprecations with us.

2434
04:23:42,650 --> 04:23:45,130
Yeah, the humor, but also vulnerability, right?

2435
04:23:45,370 --> 04:23:48,250
Scott wasn't afraid to own up to the extent to which he might have bombs

2436
04:23:48,250 --> 04:23:49,830
his early childhood education presentation.

2437
04:23:53,310 --> 04:23:56,230
I'm also more inclined to believe him, that you did not bomb.

2438
04:23:56,890 --> 04:24:00,750
Other things, other things that apply to miles, or if you're like Uncle Bob,

2439
04:24:00,850 --> 04:24:03,610
who isn't in the room right now, is a fantastic storyteller.

2440
04:24:03,610 --> 04:24:08,170
what are some other good characteristics of good storytellers? Authenticity. Authenticity.

2441
04:24:08,170 --> 04:24:12,710
Authenticity. So as soon as you trigger that someone's maybe stretching the truth,

2442
04:24:13,030 --> 04:24:17,870
you lose interest in their story, but when they're authentic, you can really feel it, engage more.

2443
04:24:18,210 --> 04:24:23,610
Yeah, that line never let the truth get in the way of a good story. It doesn't maybe always apply

2444
04:24:23,610 --> 04:24:30,090
when it comes to authenticity. Yeah, other things. Gravity. Gravity. Gravity. Yeah.

2445
04:24:30,090 --> 04:24:34,690
where keeping people in gauge, getting to the point,

2446
04:24:35,150 --> 04:24:38,170
and then moving on allowing them to fill in the blanks.

2447
04:24:38,790 --> 04:24:40,250
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2448
04:24:40,250 --> 04:24:40,630
Practice.

2449
04:24:47,180 --> 04:24:48,420
Is that

2450
04:24:50,440 --> 04:24:53,180
why the same story miles

2451
04:24:53,180 --> 04:24:55,640
tells Oliver and over is never the same twice?

2452
04:25:00,530 --> 04:25:01,230
All

2453
04:25:05,160 --> 04:25:15,800
right, great. Well, it's awesome that we're surrounded by so many good storytellers and or people may be cheated and looked at some of the signs that we posted up around the room.

2454
04:25:15,800 --> 04:25:19,060
Oh yeah, we did do that, didn't we?

2455
04:25:20,120 --> 04:25:21,100
Some foreshadder,

2456
04:25:23,420 --> 04:25:25,720
some quick tips, things to,

2457
04:25:27,260 --> 04:25:29,320
to keep in mind, they're,

2458
04:25:30,180 --> 04:25:31,640
is it keep doing that to you?

2459
04:25:31,720 --> 04:25:33,180
Because you make these like super business

2460
04:25:33,180 --> 04:25:34,640
transitioning, what?

2461
04:25:34,800 --> 04:25:37,340
I didn't make it, I look like a graphics person.

2462
04:25:38,660 --> 04:25:40,880
Didn't practice it enough, is the real answer.

2463
04:25:41,440 --> 04:25:42,940
Practice, practice.

2464
04:25:44,880 --> 04:25:47,120
Researchers have studied what makes effective storytelling.

2465
04:25:47,720 --> 04:25:57,540
Obviously, um, that's important to me and in one of them wrote a book called Made to Stick. I don't know if anybody's red made to stick. It's really amazing book stands a test of time.

2466
04:25:57,880 --> 04:26:10,120
And they they go into a lot of detail on this, but just to kind of take it from a surface level, there's five tips that they give gravity, simpleness, right, not falling prey to the curse of knowledge.

2467
04:26:10,660 --> 04:26:14,440
One of the things they talk about is if you say three things, you didn't say anything at all.

2468
04:26:14,860 --> 04:26:17,320
When you boil it down, what is the core of your message?

2469
04:26:17,440 --> 04:26:18,880
What is the one thing that you want to convey?

2470
04:26:18,920 --> 04:26:22,000
Build a story around that and make sure that that is the thing that goes across.

2471
04:26:23,540 --> 04:26:26,100
What do we talk about with statistics?

2472
04:26:27,220 --> 04:26:31,700
When we use statistics to tell stories, what effect does that have on people's brain?

2473
04:26:31,820 --> 04:26:32,840
It makes them feel like they're what?

2474
04:26:33,020 --> 04:26:33,240
Sleeping?

2475
04:26:34,460 --> 04:26:35,560
We're being chased by a bear.

2476
04:26:35,560 --> 04:26:41,680
Oh, yeah, there's statistics, so the key point that we bring up in the training is that if you

2477
04:26:41,680 --> 04:26:46,760
comment people with facts and figures that are contrary to their strongly held opinions,

2478
04:26:47,100 --> 04:26:51,340
particularly about things that are closely tied to their own personal identity, you

2479
04:26:51,340 --> 04:26:56,840
retrench their position into what they thought against yours and you light up the flight flight

2480
04:26:56,840 --> 04:27:01,880
freeze fawn part of the brain. People literally feel like they're being chased by a bear when

2481
04:27:01,880 --> 04:27:04,220
to try and just prove their points with vaccine figures.

2482
04:27:05,480 --> 04:27:08,140
If we're telling stories and communicating to connect,

2483
04:27:08,800 --> 04:27:11,840
playing a bear is not the most important point for, right?

2484
04:27:11,840 --> 04:27:13,100
I'm just kidding, sorry about that.

2485
04:27:13,700 --> 04:27:14,960
So yeah, let's show.

2486
04:27:15,360 --> 04:27:16,060
So unexpected.

2487
04:27:16,880 --> 04:27:19,740
This one actually is unexpected to me.

2488
04:27:20,200 --> 04:27:22,180
Common sense is the enemy of a good story.

2489
04:27:23,540 --> 04:27:24,200
Think about that.

2490
04:27:24,200 --> 04:27:26,460
If you're building your argument, building your story

2491
04:27:26,460 --> 04:27:28,000
on this is common sense.

2492
04:27:28,020 --> 04:27:29,420
I'm going to build commonality with you

2493
04:27:29,420 --> 04:27:31,480
by connecting through things that we both agree

2494
04:27:31,480 --> 04:27:37,560
agree with. That is ineffective at building a sticky story to think about that.

2495
04:27:39,060 --> 04:27:45,340
Making concrete, vivid pictures analogies, human actions, make the abstract concrete with imagery,

2496
04:27:46,040 --> 04:27:52,580
like the story of the movie theater popcorn, 2037 grams of saturated fat. That's going to fall on

2497
04:27:52,580 --> 04:27:58,580
people poorly, right? But seeing the things in real life and being like, oh my gosh, eating one of these

2498
04:27:58,580 --> 04:28:01,960
is the same as all of this, that has a huge impact on.

2499
04:28:02,960 --> 04:28:04,740
Make it credible, connect with life experiences.

2500
04:28:05,200 --> 04:28:06,280
Numbers are not credible.

2501
04:28:06,620 --> 04:28:07,580
We just talked about that.

2502
04:28:08,380 --> 04:28:10,500
So connect it with people's own experiences,

2503
04:28:10,680 --> 04:28:13,160
your own experiences in a simple way.

2504
04:28:13,820 --> 04:28:15,320
And then finally, make it emotional.

2505
04:28:16,300 --> 04:28:19,420
By, hopefully, when I told the story at the beginning,

2506
04:28:19,840 --> 04:28:22,080
I was able to touch on a few of these different things.

2507
04:28:22,340 --> 04:28:24,000
But being emotional and being vulnerable

2508
04:28:24,000 --> 04:28:27,460
is always an effective way at connecting with somebody

2509
04:28:27,460 --> 04:28:31,320
and building some of that brain chemistry as you're telling a story.

2510
04:28:32,260 --> 04:28:33,460
So that's it?

2511
04:28:33,680 --> 04:28:34,680
Question so far.

2512
04:28:35,400 --> 04:28:35,740
Yes, please.

2513
04:28:36,440 --> 04:28:39,460
Where do the assumptions fall into this about what your assumptions are,

2514
04:28:40,100 --> 04:28:44,140
of how that person is going to feel about your story or what they know?

2515
04:28:47,830 --> 04:28:51,310
So thank you again for offering us an opportunity to connect back to content

2516
04:28:51,310 --> 04:28:53,110
that is in the larger let's talk training.

2517
04:28:54,310 --> 04:28:58,350
But we talk about assumptions of something you need to be self aware of

2518
04:28:58,350 --> 04:29:02,610
because it impacts your ability to actively listen.

2519
04:29:03,330 --> 04:29:06,770
So what an assumption oftentimes will let you do is to stop listening,

2520
04:29:07,110 --> 04:29:12,170
assume what someone is saying, and then start composing your own answer based on where it is that you think that they're going.

2521
04:29:12,970 --> 04:29:21,250
And so being aware and noticing that you've stopped listening can be an effective way in addition to trying to address your assumptions in the first place that's part of a longer project.

2522
04:29:21,350 --> 04:29:26,590
But in the moment, just noticing that you've stopped paying attention that you've made an assumption on where they're going

2523
04:29:26,590 --> 04:29:30,910
you've started composing an answer is a great way for you then to be able to check yourself back in

2524
04:29:30,910 --> 04:29:37,410
to listen to what they're actually saying. Does that get to the, cool. Other questions?

2525
04:29:37,750 --> 04:29:45,890
Other questions? That was a good, really good. So as I set up Virginia to run this exercise,

2526
04:29:45,910 --> 04:29:55,630
I'll just say what was it Monday? Miles put together one of our final class leadership class projects

2527
04:29:55,630 --> 04:29:59,790
or class presentations, and it was a part of it was a panel discussion.

2528
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:08,100
With a couple of you. And I was struck with how everyone on that panel, I think there were six of you,

2529
04:30:08,240 --> 04:30:12,940
I'm not mistaken, opened up your discussion by telling a story and a personal story,

2530
04:30:13,120 --> 04:30:17,960
and I thought that was really, really effective. So we're going to practice a little bit of that now

2531
04:30:17,960 --> 04:30:24,380
and hopefully refine some of those skills. It's also right on time. We're so good.

2532
04:30:24,380 --> 04:30:27,820
So it's like you've been doing this for a little bit.

2533
04:30:28,440 --> 04:30:29,220
All right, cool.

2534
04:30:30,500 --> 04:30:33,220
So we, as we mentioned earlier,

2535
04:30:33,220 --> 04:30:36,000
came up with this idea of knowing that you all

2536
04:30:36,000 --> 04:30:37,660
were going to be kind of sitting here all day

2537
04:30:37,660 --> 04:30:39,420
and so hopefully giving you a chance to have

2538
04:30:39,420 --> 04:30:41,180
a little bit of brevity and levity

2539
04:30:41,180 --> 04:30:42,340
during your lunchtime.

2540
04:30:43,560 --> 04:30:47,040
But also because we thought it might have a fair amount

2541
04:30:47,040 --> 04:30:48,500
of applicability, right?

2542
04:30:48,780 --> 04:30:51,840
We given that most of what let's talk practices is listening.

2543
04:30:51,840 --> 04:31:02,580
This is an opportunity to think more about how you communicate to connect, how you use stories to get to that goal, so that again we can disagree but still remain in community.

2544
04:31:04,000 --> 04:31:20,880
So I guess at this level, probably not too many of you all have like stump speeches, but certainly when you're knocking on doors or you're speaking with constituents and whatever kind of way a shape or form, you're needing to communicate ideas to people and you're needing to do it quickly, sometimes with people who disagree with you.

2545
04:31:20,880 --> 04:31:50,700
Yeah, does that happen sometimes not always one's an hour so kind of what we're hoping this will do is give you an opportunity to think kind of more self-reflectively and self-consciously about some of these stories if again for the folks who are knocking on doors right now it's the story that you tell as you're knocking on doors or if you know that people are going to be calling you soon because everyone else is going to disagree about bearing power lines and you want to communicate with the city is thinking that having fun.

2546
04:31:50,700 --> 04:31:52,660
around these stories can be helpful.

2547
04:31:52,720 --> 04:31:54,940
Having thought of things in advance doesn't necessarily mean

2548
04:31:54,940 --> 04:31:56,200
that they need to feel cans.

2549
04:31:57,580 --> 04:32:02,000
Miles' stories may be to the illustration of that.

2550
04:32:02,320 --> 04:32:05,400
So we'd love everyone who wants to, so folks in the back,

2551
04:32:05,420 --> 04:32:07,720
please, if you want to join us, do so.

2552
04:32:08,560 --> 04:32:11,640
And think about an issue that you might want to communicate

2553
04:32:11,640 --> 04:32:15,060
around or think about a story that you might want to tell

2554
04:32:15,060 --> 04:32:17,960
if the issue is about yourself and why you might

2555
04:32:17,960 --> 04:32:24,020
the best representative for the person with whom you're speaking to vote for in a couple of

2556
04:32:24,020 --> 04:32:29,960
weeks. And for those of you who have had this opportunity already, typically, how do you approach

2557
04:32:29,960 --> 04:32:35,220
that situation? Right? How do you answer questions from constituents when they ask you about

2558
04:32:35,220 --> 04:32:39,020
particular issues? Or how do you present yourself when you're trying to get someone to vote for you?

2559
04:32:39,040 --> 04:32:42,160
What's your typical approach? That's a real question, not a rhetorical one.

2560
04:32:45,730 --> 04:32:49,970
Yes, you're right, and since you're doing it, and then Bob will call you out since you're doing it, too.

2561
04:32:50,370 --> 04:32:51,750
Oh, but this lots and lots of buttons.

2562
04:32:52,030 --> 04:32:52,250
Okay.

2563
04:32:52,490 --> 04:32:52,810
Uh-huh.

2564
04:32:52,990 --> 04:32:53,030
Yeah.

2565
04:32:53,030 --> 04:32:54,050
I don't talk that much.

2566
04:32:54,930 --> 04:32:56,530
I have a stump speech and I don't want to hear it.

2567
04:32:56,890 --> 04:32:58,010
So it says buttons.

2568
04:32:59,550 --> 04:33:01,390
Maybe today you'll leave with a better one.

2569
04:33:03,310 --> 04:33:03,630
I'm sorry.

2570
04:33:04,310 --> 04:33:05,390
You've asked it, but I'm not listening.

2571
04:33:05,830 --> 04:33:06,430
What was the question?

2572
04:33:07,190 --> 04:33:08,890
I don't mean you're not diggered questions, seriously.

2573
04:33:09,350 --> 04:33:10,950
It's all right.

2574
04:33:11,970 --> 04:33:15,450
Just asking, yeah, right? Well, I guess you have a stomach speech. So how do you approach your

2575
04:33:15,450 --> 04:33:19,470
stomach speech? What are you thinking about? How are you sort of building this thing? What are

2576
04:33:19,470 --> 04:33:25,090
you trying to convey and how are you trying to convey it? A lot of times, for the meeting with

2577
04:33:25,090 --> 04:33:30,030
the group of people, you know, you do this for a couple of years. You have a lot of things you want to say.

2578
04:33:30,230 --> 04:33:35,630
A lot of things you know now that you want to keep it gets people and it's way too much. So I just really

2579
04:33:35,630 --> 04:33:44,030
think about being very brief, using personal anecdotes, using a little bit of feel, and then

2580
04:33:44,030 --> 04:33:48,070
letting the audience kind of dig in more to what they want to hear about, because it's actually

2581
04:33:48,070 --> 04:33:51,850
pretty hard to predict what people really want to talk about, and they definitely don't want to

2582
04:33:51,850 --> 04:33:58,390
be talked to. So, that's kind of what I have in mind. Also, cool, yeah, Bob, what are you doing?

2583
04:33:58,390 --> 04:34:00,170
How do you think about it?

2584
04:34:00,170 --> 04:34:01,030
I think we're very quick.

2585
04:34:01,470 --> 04:34:02,850
All right.

2586
04:34:07,810 --> 04:34:11,150
So again, coming back to these simple principles that

2587
04:34:11,150 --> 04:34:13,230
Scott laid out and that we have laid out around the room,

2588
04:34:13,710 --> 04:34:17,230
about authenticity, about being concise,

2589
04:34:17,970 --> 04:34:20,890
around showing some humor and some vulnerability.

2590
04:34:21,190 --> 04:34:23,470
These are things that keep coming back and we all

2591
04:34:23,470 --> 04:34:25,150
maybe haven't thought about them at the time,

2592
04:34:25,170 --> 04:34:26,330
but as we're thinking about them now,

2593
04:34:26,370 --> 04:34:28,450
we're sort of feeling their efficacy and how they work.

2594
04:34:28,690 --> 04:34:31,310
So what we would like to do now with the time that we have left

2595
04:34:31,310 --> 04:34:36,270
is that kind of pick whatever might be productive

2596
04:34:36,270 --> 04:34:39,290
for you to build a story around right now.

2597
04:34:39,330 --> 04:34:40,990
Again, if it's yours or a door knocking,

2598
04:34:41,770 --> 04:34:43,870
a spiel or if it's an issue that you're

2599
04:34:43,870 --> 04:34:45,490
know you're going to be getting a lot of calls on

2600
04:34:45,490 --> 04:34:47,270
the next couple of weeks, whatever the case might be.

2601
04:34:47,670 --> 04:34:51,590
And we do have the principles,

2602
04:34:52,010 --> 04:34:53,690
the fundamentals that's got laid out,

2603
04:34:54,010 --> 04:34:55,270
taped up around the room.

2604
04:34:56,170 --> 04:34:59,910
And so giving folks an opportunity to sort of

2605
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:16,920
Free to kind of pull some chairs over and gather around whichever fundamental sort of sticks out to you right now. Maybe something that you want an opportunity to deliberately like sit and think about. And we want you were kind of come back together in kind of tenish minutes and just write a story.

2606
04:35:17,080 --> 04:35:22,840
You can workshop it with the people in your group if you'd like and then we'll kind of come back together and give each other a little bit of feedback.

2607
04:35:23,940 --> 04:35:29,480
So words that are taped up around the room, emotional, credible, simple,

2608
04:35:33,280 --> 04:35:35,120
unexpected, concrete.

2609
04:35:40,540 --> 04:35:48,200
You're individually coming up with stories, and if you want to workshop a little bit with the people who are in your group who are sort of thinking around the same thing, that is allowed.

2610
04:35:56,200 --> 04:36:03,620
And we'll be around to check in and I'll give you some help providing a assistance that we can after I finish my cookie.

2611
04:36:05,180 --> 04:36:09,900
Yeah, grab your, grab your computer, grab your tablet, grab the piece of paper, right expensive.

2612
04:36:11,140 --> 04:36:13,840
But it's fine, it's it.

2613
04:36:14,440 --> 04:36:17,420
Well, you're you're by the emotional science, so.

2614
04:36:17,420 --> 04:36:22,660
I can do the 9 million, it's the 16 million one.

2615
04:37:30,860 --> 04:37:33,840
That's why the clock is coming in the process.

2616
04:37:36,300 --> 04:37:38,440
No, I'm not.

2617
04:37:38,880 --> 04:37:39,680
No, I'm not.

2618
04:37:40,160 --> 04:37:40,500
I'm not.

2619
04:37:43,540 --> 04:37:44,660
You're right.

2620
04:37:45,300 --> 04:37:46,860
Why the clock is coming in the same way?

2621
04:37:47,120 --> 04:37:47,780
Why the clock is coming in the same way?

2622
04:37:48,220 --> 04:37:48,420
Why the clock is coming in the same way?

2623
04:37:48,760 --> 04:37:50,340
Why the clock is coming in the same way?

2624
04:37:51,240 --> 04:37:51,940
I don't know.

2625
04:37:51,940 --> 04:37:54,860
And so if someone had a device,

2626
04:37:55,480 --> 04:37:56,400
what's the clock?

2627
04:37:56,620 --> 04:37:58,400
And so the integrated and the normal clock,

2628
04:39:33,060 --> 04:39:37,120
There's a lot of people who are trying to talk about what they're trying to talk about.

2629
04:39:37,980 --> 04:39:54,200
They're trying to talk about what they're trying to talk about.

2630
04:39:54,200 --> 04:39:55,720
I'm a whole... I'm a little sad.

2631
04:39:55,740 --> 04:39:56,740
I'm a little sad.

2632
04:39:58,180 --> 04:39:59,120
I'm a little sad.

2633
04:42:03,020 --> 04:42:13,580
All right, I'm Swiss Weasley and you got your students. This was the most personal in your photograph of the day, was this of the day.

2634
04:42:13,900 --> 04:42:22,740
Yes, they were like, I made it to one group, have you made it to the other four groups?

2635
04:42:22,740 --> 04:42:26,460
I made it to this year, but I'm going to go check in on five. Okay.

2636
04:42:56,260 --> 04:42:57,060
Go Beth.

2637
04:53:39,510 --> 04:53:45,390
So we all seem to be in agreement with the fact that remedy is an important part of storytelling.

2638
04:53:47,150 --> 04:53:51,010
We've all come to the agreement that remedy is an important part of storytelling.

2639
04:53:51,670 --> 04:53:56,990
Repetition might not be, but that's all right.

2640
04:53:57,930 --> 04:54:07,030
So let's let's come to some kind of consensus when we save brevity. What do we mean let's put seconds minutes and seconds on to it. Nope

2641
04:54:10,130 --> 04:54:19,570
Right, what is that like put put a time limit on that a minute one minute one minute two minutes. All right, so we're gonna go with a minute and a half

2642
04:54:20,110 --> 04:54:21,730
Jeremy says 20 seconds.

2643
04:54:24,170 --> 04:54:29,810
I don't know why. I opened up my calculator app thinking that I was opening up my clock app. Those things don't look anything alike.

2644
04:54:32,390 --> 04:54:36,410
All right. So let's go. We'll go with a one minute.

2645
04:54:38,130 --> 04:54:43,010
Would anyone like to share the story that you came up with? That we just worked.

2646
04:54:44,150 --> 04:54:44,970
Any takers?

2647
04:54:46,710 --> 04:54:47,670
All right, ready?

2648
04:54:49,500 --> 04:54:55,780
Did you start that? Yep, you're on. All right, I'm just coming up with this story now because I didn't workshop it.

2649
04:54:57,220 --> 04:54:59,940
Let's see, recently in the last...

2650
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:07,460
A few months. Somebody we all know got some really hard news from my health perspective. They're a

2651
04:55:07,460 --> 04:55:14,560
park city resident and their brother rolled into town after living here 10 or 15 years ago and he pointed

2652
04:55:14,560 --> 04:55:23,880
out to me that this community is super special because when this person needed something, things were

2653
04:55:23,880 --> 04:55:29,740
showing up at the doorstep every 15 minutes and people were coming out of the woodwork.

2654
04:55:30,840 --> 04:55:36,180
And so, you know, a buddy of mine who moved out of town and now lives in San Francisco,

2655
04:55:36,900 --> 04:55:41,300
he rolled into town, he spent three months here this summer and he wanted to make sure

2656
04:55:41,300 --> 04:55:49,100
that Park City understands how special Park City is because you don't just get that type

2657
04:55:49,100 --> 04:55:51,500
of community development in a big city.

2658
04:55:52,120 --> 04:55:54,640
Ooh, didn't get their shit of workshop anymore.

2659
04:55:54,740 --> 04:55:56,100
Sorry, he's telling your story though.

2660
04:55:56,200 --> 04:55:57,700
Just to give us an idea of.

2661
04:55:57,700 --> 04:56:00,020
All right, so yeah, so short really is.

2662
04:56:00,140 --> 04:56:00,820
Yeah, right.

2663
04:56:01,220 --> 04:56:04,120
Three minutes is usually what we had at toast masters.

2664
04:56:05,080 --> 04:56:07,400
So half of shit has said three minutes.

2665
04:56:08,200 --> 04:56:13,160
Anyway, somebody in this room pointed out in a totally

2666
04:56:13,160 --> 04:56:15,340
different way how special Park City is.

2667
04:56:15,460 --> 04:56:19,000
We rolled out of council meeting, I think it was last week,

2668
04:56:19,000 --> 04:56:24,720
the week after or week before that and we're walking out of the Marsak and Heinrich looks

2669
04:56:24,720 --> 04:56:31,380
up and he goes, see? And there were about five of us standing there and everybody took a different

2670
04:56:31,380 --> 04:56:37,480
definition of how awesome it was to walk out of that really cool old building. Look up into the

2671
04:56:37,480 --> 04:56:42,720
hills and see all these people living in the trees and we all got to discuss whether we wanted to walk

2672
04:56:42,720 --> 04:56:48,540
or ride our bikes to have a glass of wine or a cocktail afterward. And it just put into perspective

2673
04:56:48,540 --> 04:56:53,540
sometimes we get buried in the minutiae and we're fighting about little things or arguing about

2674
04:56:53,540 --> 04:56:59,700
little things but we walk outside into the middle of this place that by all accounts is straight

2675
04:56:59,700 --> 04:57:04,920
up paradise and that's been an honor to serve. I'm really glad to be here.

2676
04:57:06,840 --> 04:57:07,780
Thank you, Max.

2677
04:57:10,350 --> 04:57:17,330
All right so other than not hitting your own mark of brevity. What feedback do we have

2678
04:57:17,330 --> 04:57:20,670
for Matt about his story. Max,

2679
04:57:24,770 --> 04:57:28,070
I, will you under the emotional? Because it felt very emotional.

2680
04:57:40,690 --> 04:57:45,930
What, what would you say the like one key point that Max was trying to

2681
04:57:45,930 --> 04:57:50,610
communicate? Yes. Sorry, now I'm going to trip over names. It was trying to communicate. Yeah,

2682
04:57:50,610 --> 04:57:56,270
the pub series. So these other things that sort of came in and it really just reinforced this

2683
04:57:56,270 --> 04:58:00,330
about what is special and unique place. Park City is, right? Kind of through two different

2684
04:58:01,490 --> 04:58:04,830
exempts. Perfect through one. Right, almost emotionally.

2685
04:58:07,850 --> 04:58:09,070
Personally connected. All right,

2686
04:58:09,290 --> 04:58:13,970
then anyone else, like to share a story? All right, you know, you're up. Who I'm going to read?

2687
04:58:14,210 --> 04:58:15,210
Because I'm simple.

2688
04:58:17,310 --> 04:58:22,070
Okay, this morning we discussed help safety and welfare and the role of

2689
04:58:22,070 --> 04:58:25,850
the role it has in government. However, is it really that simple? In the past,

2690
04:58:25,850 --> 04:58:31,510
health didn't address mental health. And that is a vital role of our overall, our overall health.

2691
04:58:31,890 --> 04:58:37,190
And this means government's role should also be in the mental health space. My small business

2692
04:58:37,190 --> 04:58:42,210
has a sober kitchen, and we did this because the government, Summit County Drug Court,

2693
04:58:42,590 --> 04:58:46,470
saved my brother's life, and we would like to give back to the community that did this.

2694
04:58:46,690 --> 04:58:50,350
And that's why government has a special role in health safety and welfare.

2695
04:58:59,210 --> 04:59:08,050
I love that story. As you know, I've known that story. One suggestion is if that was a story

2696
04:59:08,050 --> 04:59:09,410
in two parts.

2697
04:59:13,010 --> 04:59:15,230
And then let's get everybody else's thoughts.

2698
04:59:17,630 --> 04:59:21,790
So yes, feedback. What did you all think? And maybe if we actually want to think about Max's story,

2699
04:59:21,810 --> 04:59:27,310
versus Tana's story, right, about the structure of those stories. What did you notice?

2700
04:59:28,110 --> 04:59:32,870
similarities, differences, well I thought personal was. Yeah, again that's

2701
04:59:32,870 --> 04:59:36,170
the question actually. Like you said in Norway you were going at first and then

2702
04:59:36,170 --> 04:59:40,370
all of a sudden you made it really personal about that kitchen and it was like locked, locked it in.

2703
04:59:44,080 --> 04:59:48,840
I think we're going to have the story first and then it's the same thing. So I think also

2704
04:59:48,840 --> 04:59:53,420
we had a few of these cars right above the speaker and so reading off of it is being

2705
04:59:54,280 --> 04:59:59,660
You know how I speak, and I think that's what I'm trying to do, so I'll do that.

2706
05:00:00,520 --> 05:00:04,300
Well, that's why we have to go simple. And simple is not tana.

2707
05:00:06,720 --> 05:00:12,740
I actually, I'll tell my students the same thing. I'll have class notes and point out that more often than not.

2708
05:00:12,960 --> 05:00:18,080
It's so that to keep me from rambling off on whatever tangent, rather than that I don't.

2709
05:00:18,240 --> 05:00:20,280
I need the facts and figures in front of me or whatever.

2710
05:00:21,780 --> 05:00:22,580
Anybody else?

2711
05:00:32,000 --> 05:00:40,820
So when I was early in my years in Park City, I can't remember my exact age 15, 16, it was announced that the Olympics were coming to Park City.

2712
05:00:41,620 --> 05:00:46,860
And there were so many people in the community that were so excited, there were so much energy built around that.

2713
05:00:46,860 --> 05:00:52,040
And there were a lot of people that were really uncertain, there were some fears to what that would mean for our community.

2714
05:00:52,600 --> 05:01:12,960
But it was coming and so there were new facilities being built and new people coming to town and in the meantime I was growing up and I went to college and then all of a sudden the Olympics were coming it was going to be, you know, this season and then September 11 happened and it felt so dark and so scary in the world.

2715
05:01:12,960 --> 05:01:17,740
people were in certain as to whether or not we should keep have the Olympics in town

2716
05:01:18,560 --> 05:01:22,560
and the ongoing preparations that were additional security measures. There was a lot of

2717
05:01:22,560 --> 05:01:29,220
talk about how we keep things safe and how, how was the world going to come here and have this

2718
05:01:29,220 --> 05:01:34,020
experience when it was so divisive and people were sending troops overseas. It just felt like a

2719
05:01:34,020 --> 05:01:41,020
really scary time in the world and in our community. But then the Olympics actually came to town.

2720
05:01:41,020 --> 05:01:46,140
there was Main Street was housed all the different houses for all the different countries

2721
05:01:46,140 --> 05:01:49,780
and you would walk up and down the street and you would hear the Norway house go,

2722
05:01:50,120 --> 05:01:56,060
woo, woo, and the Sweden house would go, woo, and there were people trading pins and people were

2723
05:01:56,060 --> 05:02:02,040
coming together. The opening ceremony was beautiful. I was in the house on campus actually at that

2724
05:02:02,040 --> 05:02:08,080
point in time during the opening ceremony and the ground was literally shaking and there was

2725
05:02:08,080 --> 05:02:12,720
is falling from the sky from all of the fireworks. It was so amazing and so beautiful.

2726
05:02:13,780 --> 05:02:18,820
And I think that even though it was really scary and there was a lot of concern and there's a

2727
05:02:18,820 --> 05:02:23,580
lot to be said for what's happened in Park City since then, it was so important to have that moment

2728
05:02:23,580 --> 05:02:28,020
and I'm so proud to have had that moment here in Park City where even though there were a lot of

2729
05:02:28,020 --> 05:02:32,660
scary things going on in the world, people truly came together and it brought a lot of hope

2730
05:02:32,660 --> 05:02:34,760
During a really scary time.

2731
05:02:36,940 --> 05:02:38,100
Thank you.

2732
05:02:40,510 --> 05:02:43,210
So yeah, thoughts, comments, be back like you. That was

2733
05:02:43,210 --> 05:02:49,970
like very like story teller. I felt like I was a like a kid at the library with like miscadrina.

2734
05:02:50,150 --> 05:02:54,790
And I was really excited and she was going to flip the page. I felt that was good. So yeah,

2735
05:02:54,950 --> 05:02:55,770
compelling captivating.

2736
05:03:10,470 --> 05:03:16,310
I think I'm I was engaged in the story throughout, but I'm having a

2737
05:03:16,310 --> 05:03:23,290
a little bit of difficulty figuring out what the throughline is, what I get that there is a story there and it

2738
05:03:23,290 --> 05:03:29,770
was engaging, but I was looking for what are we getting to? Is it that part said it is a safe place

2739
05:03:29,770 --> 05:03:34,990
or that you felt safe or you feel safer now or that we have something else coming? I feel like there's a

2740
05:03:34,990 --> 05:03:40,750
little bit of a question left. Well, that a little bit, segues with the question that I was going to

2741
05:03:40,750 --> 05:03:46,710
to everyone of how what could you imagine that story kind of serving the purpose of stuff, right?

2742
05:03:46,850 --> 05:03:51,870
Like what use could that story be put, which I think is kind of a different way of asking that same kind of a question.

2743
05:03:52,710 --> 05:03:56,970
And I guess I thought I thought it out and worked shopped it more. I probably would have said,

2744
05:03:57,090 --> 05:04:00,510
I know there's a lot of fear about what's to come, but there can be a lot of good that comes

2745
05:04:00,510 --> 05:04:05,070
from having an Olympics here in person. Yeah. And that was the first thing that came to my mind.

2746
05:04:05,070 --> 05:04:05,390
I

2747
05:04:10,540 --> 05:04:20,420
think these are all really good. May or I think we may have time for one more, but I'm not sure how long you would like us to go.

2748
05:04:53,040 --> 05:04:57,840
So we kind of talked through how you could use story telling with that.

2749
05:04:58,520 --> 05:04:59,880
And Virginia has some great suggestion.

2750
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:11,080
In terms of maybe you need some pre-can stories, because the last thing in the world you want to do is make somebody feel like they're stupid or something else negative.

2751
05:05:11,900 --> 05:05:16,120
And so I think that just given me a lot of food for thought.

2752
05:05:16,380 --> 05:05:17,380
So thank you for that, Virginia.

2753
05:05:18,160 --> 05:05:23,740
Well, and you're a nicer person than I am. The last thing that I would want would be to tell a bad story, because I'm coming up with it on the fly.

2754
05:05:26,840 --> 05:05:27,200
Yeah,

2755
05:05:30,260 --> 05:05:33,580
so yeah, well, and that was going to be another question I was going to ask for,

2756
05:05:33,680 --> 05:05:38,540
if you wouldn't mind sharing what your kind of fundamental was, and if you got stuck, right?

2757
05:05:38,680 --> 05:05:45,120
Like, what was maybe challenging about trying to bring simplicity into a story about trying to bring

2758
05:05:45,700 --> 05:05:49,620
emotionality into the story, hopefully credibility other than Miles, because Miles said that was hard

2759
05:05:49,620 --> 05:05:53,720
for him. Well, I will say, I mean, I already said this that I'm not simple, but

2760
05:05:54,220 --> 05:05:59,940
I, I, I, as Malina said, I do so much better when I'm speaking from the heart when I'm speaking from somewhere.

2761
05:06:00,160 --> 05:06:03,340
There's probably only been two or three times on council where I said, mayor, I'm going to read.

2762
05:06:03,740 --> 05:06:07,080
And afterwards, I've been like, oh, I should not have read. Even though I've written it all down,

2763
05:06:07,600 --> 05:06:12,560
I just feel like my stories are much better when I'm really like listening to my gut and listening

2764
05:06:12,560 --> 05:06:17,480
to what's coming through and maybe have some notes. But I think that tells a better story than me reading.

2765
05:06:17,480 --> 05:06:20,580
And yeah, I do far better than the way

2766
05:06:23,170 --> 05:06:23,950
we're going to.

2767
05:06:23,950 --> 05:06:27,730
Well, stories tend to come from the heart, right?

2768
05:06:27,830 --> 05:06:30,790
They come from the God and the heart and they come from experience.

2769
05:06:31,410 --> 05:06:35,670
And I think that stories in order to be genuine in order to be authentic,

2770
05:06:35,670 --> 05:06:39,430
kind of need to be told in that same vein and so you have to honor yourself.

2771
05:06:39,470 --> 05:06:41,990
And I think that that came through in your story in particular.

2772
05:06:42,310 --> 05:06:45,950
And it comes through when you tell stories the other way.

2773
05:06:46,150 --> 05:06:47,830
We all have had that experience.

2774
05:06:47,830 --> 05:06:48,410
Do

2775
05:06:52,160 --> 05:06:57,820
you think it matters the intention to or are you trying to connect to your audience versus are you telling the story to try to

2776
05:07:00,460 --> 05:07:01,420
entertain or

2777
05:07:02,840 --> 05:07:05,980
convince that even that that separates like I'm the teacher

2778
05:07:26,200 --> 05:07:31,620
Well, and as you see that, I'm wondering how you all sort of navigate this, because there

2779
05:07:31,620 --> 05:07:37,340
is literally a spatial hierarchy, oftentimes when you're speaking to constituents.

2780
05:07:37,920 --> 05:07:41,520
But it was obvious that talking about storytelling and the connecting power of storytelling

2781
05:07:41,520 --> 05:07:46,080
wasn't new to anybody in this room. So how do you navigate that? How do you navigate

2782
05:07:46,080 --> 05:07:49,860
precisely that problem that a lecture in the form of a story still is a lecture?

2783
05:07:49,860 --> 05:07:56,360
If that dynamic is present and not navigated thoughtfully, I don't know the answer back.

2784
05:08:14,940 --> 05:08:15,460
And

2785
05:08:17,640 --> 05:08:21,440
I know I was speaking when I thought there was a time that I haven't done that

2786
05:08:21,440 --> 05:08:25,320
and I've been wanting to know if you have an option with how it is or if there's

2787
05:08:25,320 --> 05:08:30,520
my story and that illustrates that versus really good things to you.

2788
05:08:32,000 --> 05:08:37,740
And I hear that when you're afraid of change or you're concerned about this data

2789
05:08:37,740 --> 05:08:44,180
or whatever you underlying to students and telling us where you're going to be that shared.

2790
05:08:44,620 --> 05:08:51,000
Because we all have shared fear, we all have shared concern about how the community will

2791
05:08:51,000 --> 05:08:53,080
or will not evolve into the future.

2792
05:08:54,280 --> 05:08:59,520
And I think if you do sometimes see this type of rare yourself for that, first of all,

2793
05:08:59,640 --> 05:09:00,740
yeah, we're here too.

2794
05:09:01,220 --> 05:09:03,480
And this is my biggest help.

2795
05:09:05,780 --> 05:09:20,240
Yeah, and we all acknowledge that Miles sort of rose to the top in terms of storytelling, I think he exemplifies a lot of the things you just mentioned.

2796
05:09:20,760 --> 05:09:33,360
He's educating through stories often times maybe his perspective comes through a little bit but it's more his perspective in that moment in time and it's not actually

2797
05:09:34,360 --> 05:09:38,800
really making you wear a future conclusion.

2798
05:09:39,540 --> 05:09:42,420
It's just telling you a story to inform your potential,

2799
05:09:42,960 --> 05:09:44,940
the potential output in your brain.

2800
05:09:45,420 --> 05:09:47,120
And I think that's why it resonates.

2801
05:09:47,560 --> 05:09:50,220
So well with everybody, and I think there are a lot of people,

2802
05:09:50,340 --> 05:09:55,140
miles is generation of Park City people have a ton of stories.

2803
05:09:55,560 --> 05:09:58,020
And one of the most entertaining parts for me personally,

2804
05:09:58,020 --> 05:09:59,940
miles is I've heard a lot of your

2805
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:08,000
Stories from many of your contemporaries and none of you tell them the same.

2806
05:10:11,500 --> 05:10:16,420
I think it also goes to a little bit about Malina, but the question asked you about assumptions.

2807
05:10:17,580 --> 05:10:21,440
So, to Nian's person, you know, if someone's coming to us and they have said, this is their fear.

2808
05:10:21,560 --> 05:10:23,100
This is what they want to talk to us about.

2809
05:10:24,120 --> 05:10:28,240
It's stopping our assumptions that we know why they feel that way.

2810
05:10:28,240 --> 05:10:32,780
Or stopping the assumption that we already, well, we heard this or we heard this in the

2811
05:10:32,780 --> 05:10:36,620
neighborhood, this is how they feel. And I think that that is one thing that we all could

2812
05:10:36,620 --> 05:10:41,600
do a little bit better. It's just our assumptions about how us on council are going to present,

2813
05:10:41,900 --> 05:10:46,940
are going to approach an issue or how we're going to speak to it. I could do a much better job of that.

2814
05:10:46,940 --> 05:10:51,620
And I think, I think everyone could, is that we all have preconceived notions. And once we drop

2815
05:10:51,620 --> 05:10:53,900
those, our conversations and storytelling become better.

2816
05:10:56,320 --> 05:10:59,440
Yeah. And I love how these last couple of

2817
05:10:59,440 --> 05:11:04,600
respect of all of your schedule and stuff will wrap with, speak to the way that active listening

2818
05:11:04,600 --> 05:11:09,800
and storytelling can work together, right? And so how these key pieces of how we're understanding

2819
05:11:09,800 --> 05:11:14,200
this different way to communicate that, again, is not the way that many of us were taught in our

2820
05:11:14,200 --> 05:11:18,860
communication classes can work, right? And so we can bring these pieces together, we can show that

2821
05:11:18,860 --> 05:11:23,700
we've listened, we can show that we've internalized, they might be telling a story for whatever

2822
05:11:23,700 --> 05:11:27,260
reason road expansion is in my head right now, so we'll go with it, right? But that what you can

2823
05:11:27,260 --> 05:11:32,160
is fear of change, fear of community disintegration, something like that, and then connect to

2824
05:11:32,160 --> 05:11:38,240
and speak from that. So thank you all for giving us this time. I also want to give a specific

2825
05:11:38,240 --> 05:11:43,540
thank you to NAN and Sarah. It was conversations with you early in March that really helped shape

2826
05:11:43,540 --> 05:11:50,040
this project into what it became that we're I think I'm pretty happy with and proud of. And so thanks

2827
05:11:50,040 --> 05:11:53,240
for your motivation and impetus.

2828
05:11:53,480 --> 05:11:54,000
Well, it's important.

2829
05:11:57,690 --> 05:11:59,010
Thank you both for being here.

2830
05:11:59,010 --> 05:12:01,010
And I've been so thrilled to watch the progress

2831
05:12:01,010 --> 05:12:03,070
of Let's Talk, is over the months,

2832
05:12:03,410 --> 05:12:04,030
last few months.

2833
05:12:04,710 --> 05:12:08,030
And I'm really excited that this project is going to live on

2834
05:12:08,030 --> 05:12:08,970
in that mediation.

2835
05:12:09,190 --> 05:12:11,650
So thank you to Gretchen for taking this on.

2836
05:12:11,670 --> 05:12:14,030
Because I think it's really an important part of our community.

2837
05:12:15,770 --> 05:12:20,550
So with that, we will take a break and resume at

2838
05:12:20,550 --> 05:12:23,350
2015 to talk about major transportation initiatives.

2839
05:25:50,100 --> 05:26:03,520
All right, moving into the last section for today on transportation initiatives. And I got to tell you, I've been so excited about this discussion coming up today.

2840
05:26:04,300 --> 05:26:12,960
There's been so much work that's been done by our staff and by volunteers in the community that are giving their time to help us work on some of these transportation initiatives.

2841
05:26:12,960 --> 05:26:21,600
But we're going to kick things off of the really quick update from Andrew Leitham on our peak traffic mitigation efforts that are coming up this winter.

2842
05:26:22,860 --> 05:26:23,980
Thank you.

2843
05:26:23,980 --> 05:26:24,740
Thank you, Mayor.

2844
05:26:25,140 --> 05:26:25,780
Dr. Ninn, everybody.

2845
05:26:27,500 --> 05:26:33,760
I'd like to be practicing my brevity about peak traffic today because I know when no one has any questions about it.

2846
05:26:35,740 --> 05:26:42,940
So I just wanted to take some time to provide a quick update on the planning that has been taking place.

2847
05:26:42,940 --> 05:26:48,280
place throughout the summer with regard to peak day operations for the coming season.

2848
05:26:49,660 --> 05:26:58,200
We had, we saw a lot of success last year with combinations of things. The circulation plan

2849
05:26:58,200 --> 05:27:03,160
up around Park City Mountain Village was great. That in conjunction with the paid reserve parking

2850
05:27:03,160 --> 05:27:10,980
worked great. Our residential protection efforts, we saw a lot of success with those. And so I'll

2851
05:27:10,980 --> 05:27:17,440
start off the update by saying basically a lot worked last year, particularly with our

2852
05:27:17,440 --> 05:27:22,800
ingress. And so you're going to see a lot of the, a lot of the same things. I do want to start out

2853
05:27:22,800 --> 05:27:29,960
point out some of the, some of the big differences this year though. So our peak day calendar last year

2854
05:27:32,420 --> 05:27:40,620
had 93 peak days. And we had that broken down into max peak and peak days. So the calendar had

2855
05:27:40,620 --> 05:27:49,260
a lot of red and yellow and looked a little bit alarming to people, I think, so we took a little bit

2856
05:27:49,260 --> 05:27:55,040
different approach this year with the calendar and saying, you know, to the public, a peak day,

2857
05:27:55,140 --> 05:28:02,300
you know, it will be a peak day, but we don't need to, a peak days of is a busy day and they're mainly

2858
05:28:02,300 --> 05:28:09,400
centered around our holiday periods, our weekend periods, our special event periods. And that's

2859
05:28:09,400 --> 05:28:18,080
One thing that this calendar did is highlight that when it's not all related to ski tourism,

2860
05:28:18,360 --> 05:28:20,260
some of it is related to a special event.

2861
05:28:20,860 --> 05:28:26,280
So you see the purple period on there is the Sundance Film Festival and then the World Cup.

2862
05:28:26,880 --> 05:28:31,240
So that we're not, you know, winning the finger always at the ski resort for the traffic.

2863
05:28:31,640 --> 05:28:34,180
So there's a lot of different factors that cause a peak day.

2864
05:28:34,180 --> 05:28:52,620
This year, the calendar has 66 peak days, rather than 93, and the big thing that we did was we removed the Mondays and the Thursdays that we're not related to a holiday or a special event period.

2865
05:28:52,620 --> 05:28:55,080
And there were a couple of reasons for that.

2866
05:28:55,260 --> 05:28:58,780
We gathered a lot of statistics last year on those days.

2867
05:28:59,080 --> 05:29:03,640
Your Mondays and Thursdays that were not attached, like I said, to holidays or event periods.

2868
05:29:04,280 --> 05:29:06,800
Those aren't days that we saw at your valley going to overflow.

2869
05:29:07,460 --> 05:29:13,100
We didn't see as much of the parking selling out of the mountain village on those days.

2870
05:29:13,460 --> 05:29:19,760
In fact, we're actually more likely to get a random Tuesday, where we had a foot of snow, where we saw bigger impacts.

2871
05:29:19,760 --> 05:29:42,780
And so we have taken the opportunity to remove those days, which in turn should give us some flexibility back to the department's police department parking streets to allow them more flexibility with their budget and more flexibility was staffing to really ramp up on the days that we need to that we know that we're the busiest.

2872
05:29:42,780 --> 05:29:56,020
And so that'll give us a chance to do more pedestrian safety operations around Main Street and more robust residential protection when we needed.

2873
05:29:57,200 --> 05:29:59,920
Our residential protection was a big success.

2874
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:08,200
Last year. We basically will do a lot of the same. Excuse me, those things, Canyon. In the

2875
05:30:08,200 --> 05:30:15,580
things Canyon, neighborhood pretty glaring statistic with what we saw last year was that traffic

2876
05:30:15,580 --> 05:30:24,240
counts on three kings drive between things in the skiers or reduced by nearly 50% last year. So a lot

2877
05:30:24,240 --> 05:30:40,660
Well, that's success is because of the paid reserve parking at the Mount Village, but also I think our efforts with residential protection at Thames and Payday also also helps to improve those numbers. So we intend to do that again this year.

2878
05:30:41,300 --> 05:30:44,740
We will not be staffing payday drive with a person.

2879
05:30:46,100 --> 05:30:53,980
We will put up some additional signage, but our statistics show that we really didn't need to have a person there.

2880
05:30:54,100 --> 05:30:55,840
We didn't have a lot of cut-through traffic.

2881
05:30:56,620 --> 05:31:03,540
Most of the traffic entering on payday was service or neighbourhood, so we won't be doing that.

2882
05:31:03,560 --> 05:31:09,900
Hillside and Prospect will continue to cover that with Egress with both police and parking.

2883
05:31:09,900 --> 05:31:19,900
And again, last year the traffic counts on Hillside during the winter were the lowest that we've seen in the lowest that we've ever seen during the winter. So those efforts were great.

2884
05:31:21,520 --> 05:31:29,440
One thing that we did have to add last year was the snowcrest driveway, which is the condominium complex located at 15th and one side.

2885
05:31:29,440 --> 05:31:41,450
And when we rerout a traffic with the bear, the bear case of 14th and 15th, up on Empire, we kind of created a cut through there, so we ended up staffing that.

2886
05:31:42,480 --> 05:31:51,620
And that gradually diminished over the year, but we do intend to continue to staff at this year until we can solve some problems through the HOA.

2887
05:31:54,440 --> 05:32:03,640
Um, talk about the rerouting of traffic at 14 to 15. It was a big part of a successful part of our circulation plan last year.

2888
05:32:04,500 --> 05:32:12,920
Sorry, and it also, it also really helped to reduce the traffic in the gut through in that neighborhood that just sits to the east of there.

2889
05:32:12,920 --> 05:32:35,740
Um, last year we placed these barricades to reroute traffic at 14 to 15th on Empire, and we placed them on peak days, and we left it in place on consecutive peak days, but on non peak days we removed them, and it really was a creative bit of a problem of inconsistency.

2890
05:32:35,740 --> 05:32:41,580
So, one day, if you drove up 14, if you could get through and one day, if you drove up, you couldn't get through.

2891
05:32:42,180 --> 05:32:50,080
So our intention this year is to place the barricades and begin the traffic rear out on the beginning of the skis season,

2892
05:32:50,280 --> 05:32:52,420
and then just be a bit in place to the remainder of the season.

2893
05:32:54,420 --> 05:33:00,560
We will be doing some community outreach to the neighborhood, letting them know that that's our plan.

2894
05:33:00,560 --> 05:33:08,060
And then we're asking for their inputs asking them to come and provide information to us that

2895
05:33:08,060 --> 05:33:12,340
are winner projects, open house events that we'll be having in October.

2896
05:33:14,260 --> 05:33:19,520
And the other thing I wanted to mention about this, we had some negative feedback last year

2897
05:33:19,520 --> 05:33:28,980
regarding pedestrians did not have a great access from the 15th, 14th neighborhood say, if you

2898
05:33:28,980 --> 05:33:35,200
wood side and you want to walk up to the ski resort. There was an issue because of the large amount

2899
05:33:35,200 --> 05:33:40,660
of snowfall that we had last year and some people complained that they couldn't get through

2900
05:33:40,660 --> 05:33:45,680
around the barricade due to the snow. Our streets team did a great job but they had to prioritize

2901
05:33:45,680 --> 05:33:50,580
that because of all the snowfall that we had and so there were times when it was difficult for people to

2902
05:33:50,580 --> 05:33:55,820
get through there. And then once they did get through there they found themselves on the Empire Avenue

2903
05:33:55,820 --> 05:34:01,940
with a giant snow bank on either side, and we're kind of forced to walk in the roadway. So this

2904
05:34:01,940 --> 05:34:11,160
year Park City Mountain Resort has committed to also keeping some equipment there and keeping

2905
05:34:11,160 --> 05:34:17,880
the bomb of the parking lot open for pedestrian access. So the city will commit to making sure

2906
05:34:17,880 --> 05:34:23,040
we leave pedestrian access around those barricades and then with our partner other resort we should

2907
05:34:26,320 --> 05:34:44,040
So this is the exciting stuff, I think, so we have been meeting with our city engineering team, our traffic planners throughout the summer, and for all the success that we had with our

2908
05:34:44,040 --> 05:34:49,460
Ingress, we understand that we still have a major issue with our egress.

2909
05:34:51,300 --> 05:34:59,480
So we have been developing some plans to put in place in temporary traffic control measures.

2910
05:35:00,560 --> 05:35:22,200
On our busiest days, around the Christmas holiday, Martin Luther King, World Cup, President's day, I'll go through, I'll go through the plans really briefly, but we intend to pilot this on December 8th and 9th, which is a ski weekend, but not really one of the busy ski weekends to see if it works.

2911
05:35:23,000 --> 05:35:30,120
The big caveat here is that all of this is being placed on U. rights away, so it takes a

2912
05:35:30,120 --> 05:35:35,720
there approval before we could actually implement or execute any of it.

2913
05:35:36,400 --> 05:35:43,440
And then also we won't be able to do it on days where we have a lot of snow and we'll need

2914
05:35:43,440 --> 05:35:48,760
snow removal, because U.D. plows would probably just plow up whatever we put out there.

2915
05:35:48,760 --> 05:35:54,220
So what we're talking about, we've, throughout the years,

2916
05:35:55,340 --> 05:35:58,660
everyone has identified a couple of, I'll call them choke points

2917
05:35:58,660 --> 05:36:00,240
in the city during egress.

2918
05:36:01,720 --> 05:36:05,580
One of them centers around the merge lane

2919
05:36:05,580 --> 05:36:08,400
at Terns Boulevard and Sidewinder Drive.

2920
05:36:09,740 --> 05:36:13,300
And a lot of people will stay in the right hand,

2921
05:36:13,300 --> 05:36:17,380
turn only lane, and then right at the very last minute

2922
05:36:17,380 --> 05:36:22,280
be trying to force themselves over into the into the correct travel lane on the left-hand side.

2923
05:36:23,420 --> 05:36:29,560
And that's where we see that creates residual backing all the way back to the park

2924
05:36:29,560 --> 05:36:36,060
of intersection on currents and then also bananas such a short stretch with this one lane that it

2925
05:36:36,060 --> 05:36:43,820
fills up quickly. So, excuse me, so we intend to put out some delineators on the west side of the

2926
05:36:43,820 --> 05:36:50,630
intersection to force the merge a little earlier. And then also delineate so that when you're turning a right

2927
05:36:51,060 --> 05:36:57,460
from the NASA drive you'll be forced out into the travel and so we basically make the merge happen sooner

2928
05:36:58,220 --> 05:37:13,800
and we eliminate the choke point at side wonder and keep traffic flowing and that's the that's the

2929
05:37:13,800 --> 05:37:23,280
on a truly busy day at three between three and four PM. We have over 250 cars every 15 minutes

2930
05:37:23,280 --> 05:37:31,060
making that right turn from Benanza on the current's boulevard. So we think that we could we can make

2931
05:37:31,060 --> 05:37:39,620
that flow better with some of the temporary traffic mitigation devices. The other the other big one

2932
05:37:39,620 --> 05:37:42,140
that we all know and love,

2933
05:37:42,200 --> 05:37:45,220
who's been answered at Bananza, and Deer Valley Drive.

2934
05:37:47,480 --> 05:37:51,060
And part of the problem that we've observed over the years

2935
05:37:51,060 --> 05:37:55,480
is that people will be in the right hand lane

2936
05:37:55,480 --> 05:37:57,920
and then they realize that they need to get to the left

2937
05:37:57,920 --> 05:38:00,000
as they don't want to turn right on Bananza.

2938
05:38:00,940 --> 05:38:02,820
And there's a lot of weaving or jogging

2939
05:38:02,820 --> 05:38:05,260
in the intersection or really close to the intersection,

2940
05:38:05,900 --> 05:38:08,180
which then creates this residual backup.

2941
05:38:08,180 --> 05:38:16,060
So our intention is to create a right hand only trap lane with delineators, so they would

2942
05:38:16,060 --> 05:38:18,400
be tightly spaced vertical panel delineators.

2943
05:38:19,360 --> 05:38:24,420
You will be messaged further up near airy drive that if you're in the right lane, you

2944
05:38:24,420 --> 05:38:25,700
need to turn right.

2945
05:38:27,200 --> 05:38:35,800
We're working on trying to get you to paint some, like an IAD and a U.S. 40 logo in the

2946
05:38:35,800 --> 05:38:41,860
the lane, so Sarah has been working hard on that. And then we'll message it also so that if you

2947
05:38:41,860 --> 05:38:48,060
do get to the banana's intersection and you're in the right lane it's basically a trap lane and you'll

2948
05:38:48,060 --> 05:38:55,420
have to have to turn to the right. One of the other big problems that we've seen is the left turn

2949
05:38:56,180 --> 05:39:01,440
for people that are exiting mountain village and then coming into the intersection and rather than

2950
05:39:01,440 --> 05:39:05,200
turning left on Park Ave, they're coming in turning left on

2951
05:39:05,200 --> 05:39:08,920
the NANSA and what we're seeing out of that is a lot of

2952
05:39:08,920 --> 05:39:13,120
intersection blocking people shooting the gap, some pretty

2953
05:39:13,120 --> 05:39:18,180
dangerous things that the police officer who sits there, you

2954
05:39:18,180 --> 05:39:21,220
know, several of them report how dangerous that left turn can be.

2955
05:39:21,760 --> 05:39:26,560
So we intend to eliminate that left on when we put these in place and

2956
05:39:26,560 --> 05:39:31,140
we'll message that on to VMS boards up at the resort to catch all

2957
05:39:31,140 --> 05:39:40,890
traffic coming out of there. And is that no left turn? Is that just for egress or is that all winter?

2958
05:39:41,910 --> 05:39:46,750
It would just be, you know, it would just be on those days, like on those really busy days when we put

2959
05:39:46,750 --> 05:39:59,910
these, yeah, these measures in place. Like, the first thing that came to mind is people that live in

2960
05:40:00,020 --> 05:40:05,680
I'm going to try to make a left across something that doesn't have a light.

2961
05:40:05,860 --> 05:40:08,480
Yeah, they would have to go to iron horses.

2962
05:40:08,820 --> 05:40:09,980
And then try to cross banana.

2963
05:40:11,860 --> 05:40:12,000
Yeah.

2964
05:40:12,480 --> 05:40:12,800
Yeah.

2965
05:40:13,480 --> 05:40:15,820
There are issues with this.

2966
05:40:15,920 --> 05:40:23,220
I mean, the thing that we want to do is try some things and see if we can, we're only going to do this on a really busy day.

2967
05:40:23,740 --> 05:40:29,020
And like I said, we're going to pilot it early in the ski season so that if it doesn't work, we won't do it.

2968
05:40:29,020 --> 05:40:32,760
but we just think it's time that we try something.

2969
05:40:33,140 --> 05:40:37,200
And can you just make, so the peak time, what are your times that you would be doing now?

2970
05:40:37,200 --> 05:40:40,520
The setup would be between 2 PM and 7 PM.

2971
05:40:40,980 --> 05:40:44,800
Okay, and then we would probably want to make sure we did a lot of outreach to that community.

2972
05:40:45,400 --> 05:40:49,020
Yeah, of course. Yeah, outreach is critical for all of it.

2973
05:40:49,440 --> 05:40:54,320
And we, we should, we're working with the company road safe. It does traffic plans that are to

2974
05:40:54,320 --> 05:41:02,460
safety standards and we are planning group should hear from them tomorrow and have those plans

2975
05:41:02,460 --> 05:41:06,820
finalized by next week and then in the next step of course is to get to you dot with it

2976
05:41:07,560 --> 05:41:13,360
before we start doing any outreach. I can't remember do any buses take that left?

2977
05:41:13,600 --> 05:41:19,240
Yeah, that's the other thing that buses will still be able to make the left and that also helps to

2978
05:41:19,900 --> 05:41:24,520
helps with the transit efficiency also because like I mentioned like right now we have

2979
05:41:24,520 --> 05:41:29,720
100 cars every 15 minutes making that left turn so the bus is sitting in that left turn

2980
05:41:29,720 --> 05:41:35,440
queue with this there would be no left turn queue so the bus with the bus will be able to make the left

2981
05:41:36,560 --> 05:41:43,240
and I'm over my I didn't do good on my brevity to well on my gravity because I'm over my time so

2982
05:41:43,880 --> 05:42:13,120
Yeah, they're good question. Sure. Yeah, it's just laughing a little bit because we've talked about some pretty transformational things this morning. And now the headline is going to be you can't go left. I'm Benanza. Yes, but yeah, so a couple of slides back if we look at the side winder to 48 before this gets out to broadly. I don't know if the neighborhoods first committee has had a chance to circle up with you today.

2983
05:42:13,240 --> 05:42:18,760
Yeah. I think they had some recommendations that may modify this a bit. Just want to be careful.

2984
05:42:19,000 --> 05:42:23,920
Right. I did talk. I've heard that and I didn't that's why I didn't mention the no-left

2985
05:42:23,920 --> 05:42:29,460
off of. They didn't recommend the no-left off of site-winder stuff. Okay. So if anyone sees this in

2986
05:42:29,460 --> 05:42:33,360
the public packet before you print it in the newspaper and tell everyone this is happening,

2987
05:42:33,740 --> 05:42:42,020
yeah. What I want to say about these is that these are just very conceptual plans in the planning stage

2988
05:42:42,740 --> 05:42:45,220
And it requires you doubt approval.

2989
05:42:45,420 --> 05:42:48,620
It requires a lot of work before any of this would be a rolled out.

2990
05:42:48,740 --> 05:42:53,380
I just wanted to be able to show you what we're thinking about right now.

2991
05:42:53,620 --> 05:42:57,600
But there in no way are these any kind of formalized plans.

2992
05:42:58,280 --> 05:43:03,220
Yeah, and the goal, the goal stands of not having people blow through that right turn only lane,

2993
05:43:03,360 --> 05:43:07,200
which causes a number of other issues, driver registration, accidents, whatnot.

2994
05:43:07,820 --> 05:43:10,880
Yeah. So big picture though, just throw it out there.

2995
05:43:10,880 --> 05:43:19,120
This is exactly what we should be doing, I think this is awesome work, I think we probably all think it's awesome work.

2996
05:43:19,940 --> 05:43:29,240
You know we're trying things we're pushing the envelope we're being creative and we're adjusting when it works we're doing more of it and when it doesn't we're shifting a bit.

2997
05:43:29,660 --> 05:43:36,880
And that takes more effort than folks see than putting out a few cones. So the big thank you for pushing that envelope and

2998
05:43:36,880 --> 05:43:42,920
We know you and your team are the folks out there getting yelled at by drivers at times and standing

2999
05:43:42,920 --> 05:43:46,400
around and doing what's good for the community here is much appreciated.

3000
05:43:47,040 --> 05:43:47,480
Well, thank you.

3001
05:43:47,720 --> 05:43:52,620
I appreciate that very much and yeah, a lot of hard work behind the scenes to try to figure

3002
05:43:52,620 --> 05:43:53,240
the stuff out.

3003
05:43:53,300 --> 05:43:54,980
I have one additional question.

3004
05:43:56,300 --> 05:44:00,020
When you're looking at egress, I know one of the concerns last year that we saw and it might

3005
05:44:00,020 --> 05:44:04,360
have just been during really, really busy times was that people were leaving Dear Valley and

3006
05:44:04,360 --> 05:44:08,280
started going down Dear Valley Drive, they were cutting Main Street, going up eighth and cutting

3007
05:44:08,280 --> 05:44:13,460
out through Old Town. And so is that something that you saw and is there any, you know,

3008
05:44:13,500 --> 05:44:17,640
thought of, because in Park Avenue was at a standstill, Dear Valley Drive is standing still and

3009
05:44:17,640 --> 05:44:22,640
they're like, oh, I can cut through wood side through eighth street and then that causes a huge

3010
05:44:22,640 --> 05:44:27,300
backup of Main Street. So I just wondered if you guys looked at that as well. We did, we did see that

3011
05:44:27,300 --> 05:44:34,120
and what we're, what we hope to gain out of what we are doing here is to make Dear Valley Drive

3012
05:44:34,120 --> 05:44:40,640
flow much better so that you're reasoning for turning and cutting and going down Park Avenue

3013
05:44:41,480 --> 05:44:45,440
is, you know, eliminated, that deer valley drive will just flow better.

3014
05:44:48,730 --> 05:44:52,070
And I'm going to turn it over to Alex, you know.

3015
05:44:52,390 --> 05:44:58,010
So thank you for it. Yeah. Thank you so much for all the work on this and I saw some of our

3016
05:44:58,010 --> 05:44:59,890
resort partners here in the room and so.

3017
05:45:00,000 --> 05:45:11,700
Thank you to both Dear Valley and to Park City Mountain for working so closely with our staff on this and trying to make a great visitor experience for all of everyone that's at the resorts.

3018
05:45:12,920 --> 05:45:25,160
So now something I'm really excited about is our regional transportation convening that we put together last fall and we've been meeting monthly and I want to give a big thank you to Sarah Pearson, her team.

3019
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For that convening, we pulled together regional decision-makers, regional, and influential

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05:45:33,960 --> 05:45:41,140
folks that included both resort, heads, people from Wassat County Council, Summit County,

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05:45:41,580 --> 05:45:43,760
Council, the Chamber, Maida,

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and the Mayflower leadership.

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And we've been meeting monthly talking about where are some regional solutions that we can

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05:45:53,980 --> 05:45:59,300
working on together to improve the traffic for the entire

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05:45:59,300 --> 05:46:04,000
Wassage back. And the discussion right now is how do we use our collective

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05:46:04,000 --> 05:46:09,380
influence to make substantial changes in investment and we're coalescing around a

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05:46:09,380 --> 05:46:15,340
shared vision, goals, staff is working together from various jurisdictions to

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05:46:15,340 --> 05:46:19,240
make that happen. And we're considering the investments both

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05:46:19,240 --> 05:46:22,860
resource are playing the making in their base areas as well as the

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05:46:22,860 --> 05:46:27,500
the possibility of hosting another Olympics and the impacts that would have on us regionally.

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So we are looking at for an opportunity to partner with the state and the federal level

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05:46:33,800 --> 05:46:38,740
on further investment that we can have in the region. So Alex, please give us an update.

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I think you just gave it. So gravity, amount, now.

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But you're just building up what the mayor mentioned. You know, in last fall,

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05:46:49,140 --> 05:46:53,800
regional convening group got together with the acknowledgement that, you know, there's local

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05:46:53,800 --> 05:46:58,460
ski, resorts being redeveloped, the potential of a Olympic bid. And so, really, it's become a

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05:46:58,460 --> 05:47:03,200
dialogue between these different regional agencies and businesses that is pretty unique, I would say,

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05:47:03,320 --> 05:47:09,980
to the watch edge back right now, both elected, elected, and staff have been serving from the county

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05:47:09,980 --> 05:47:15,020
in the city side. And it's really to say, okay, what are we doing with these kind of regional

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05:47:15,020 --> 05:47:18,660
conversations and what will be needed in the future so that we can support each other.

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05:47:19,140 --> 05:47:20,500
on future projects.

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I'll be remiss if I didn't tie this directly into some of the Park City

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05:47:26,260 --> 05:47:31,720
forward guiding principles that we established last year. Andrew just gave a great overview

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05:47:31,720 --> 05:47:37,220
of identify manage and mitigate traffic during peak conditions. It speaks directly to one of

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05:47:37,220 --> 05:47:41,340
the guiding principles. And this collaborate with our regional partners on long-range transportation

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05:47:41,340 --> 05:47:46,380
solutions really goes to that as well. So I think, you know, when you think big picture,

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05:47:46,380 --> 05:47:50,960
what do we get coming out of Park City forward? It's like okay we're really working hard

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05:47:50,960 --> 05:47:53,240
on what the guiding principles were.

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As a mayor covered we have a number of regionally significant

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participants and we've met a number of times covering you know both what they're doing from a

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05:48:01,700 --> 05:48:06,700
development standpoint, what developments are coming in, what transportation projects we're looking at,

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I mean they're also talking about the project and how we want to advance the regional convening

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discussion.

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Ultimately what we're hoping to do is develop a package of projects that you know everyone can

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like, yes, we agree to these. They're not going to be small projects. They're going to be the top level

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projects. So things that we could think about are the 224 BRT, probably the Hebrew bypass would

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05:48:28,830 --> 05:48:33,590
be included in this list. But there are things that make a significant difference to what the travel

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shed of the wastage back would be look like. Just a quick example, you know, we're kind of really

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05:48:40,800 --> 05:48:45,440
trying to identify how we what these different nodes are, what the uses of those nodes will be,

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05:48:45,680 --> 05:48:49,480
and how we can best service those with the transportation solutions that make sense.

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Where we kind of are in the process, just in up in September, we had our most recent meeting

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05:48:56,880 --> 05:49:01,300
and we've kind of gone over what the project list could look like and we've worked shop some

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vision and goals. We're not quite ready to share those publicly. We'll be coming back to that group

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early in October with kind of a concise list of projects and they've visioned for them to work on.

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05:49:11,680 --> 05:49:16,100
This will also include identifying metrics that each project's hoping to achieve.

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We will present this to the city and the county councils, potentially in one of the joint

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05:49:20,620 --> 05:49:26,460
upcoming meetings or individually as time allows, and then there we want to share this with other business

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05:49:26,460 --> 05:49:32,000
and partners throughout the region to kind of coalesce this idea of what regional transportation

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05:49:32,000 --> 05:49:36,660
in the watch edge back could look like, especially as tied to some large infrastructure potential.

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And I just want to say, you know, this was just a teaser and to give you an update on what we're working on,

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but we do plan to come back to both both councils in the near future. So quick and I don't know if there's any

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Yes.

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If we're on around the bus.

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Plains, because this is talking about forward looking, right, it's easy to always forget where we started on things.

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05:50:06,260 --> 05:50:15,080
The 248 express bus lanes, well, maybe not full BRT style. Those are moving forward, right? I mean, that's done.

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05:50:16,060 --> 05:50:25,600
I think what we're considering them is a transit shoulder similar to what exists on 224 right now. I don't think that that is what our vision for the end product of 248 is.

3077
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So on this, this regional map, I'll say, I think there will be a transit project identified.

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I don't think we are going to say specifically what that is but with the recognition that there will need to be for their transit improvements.

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05:50:39,400 --> 05:50:48,680
So as it sits for this winter though, we will have this light version or temporary version of lanes where the buses don't sit in traffic.

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But my understanding is we'll have in band and outbound more than we had last year where they could use the shoulder, but it's not considered a full lane because that triggers some terminology and you don't world, but it is a shoulder that the buses can use during peak times.

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The script traffic.

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05:51:03,420 --> 05:51:04,160
The script traffic.

3083
05:51:05,240 --> 05:51:05,420
Okay.

3084
05:51:07,100 --> 05:51:10,380
I have a question from one of your exhibits.

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05:51:10,820 --> 05:51:11,000
Sure.

3086
05:51:11,380 --> 05:51:12,940
Which is the one way loop.

3087
05:51:13,080 --> 05:51:14,660
I just had two questions on it.

3088
05:51:14,860 --> 05:51:15,960
I'm happy to answer them.

3089
05:51:15,960 --> 05:51:20,520
that is going to be talked about in the emerging disruptors section. Okay, okay.

3090
05:51:23,140 --> 05:51:29,780
We need other questions. Thanks, Alex. Okay, thank you. Now speaking of emerging

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05:51:29,780 --> 05:51:35,340
disruptors committee, I just like the name, and so I'm happy that I continued. And one of the

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05:51:35,340 --> 05:51:41,080
things I love about living in Park City is the amount of expertise that our residents have. And so this

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05:51:41,080 --> 05:52:01,320
committee consists of folks that have some expertise in transportation. They also have some really unique ideas about some other things that we can do besides run buses and Hannah is going to fill us in on on the work of that committee and I understand we have committee members here that are going to present as well.

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Yeah. Thank you, Mayor. Yes, I want to be giving an update on the emerging

3095
05:52:05,040 --> 05:52:11,240
disruptors future transportation study. So, the purpose of the study is to look at different

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05:52:11,240 --> 05:52:16,060
technologies and infrastructure that can be used to help alter the way that people move

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05:52:16,060 --> 05:52:22,360
to and around Park City. The recommendations from this group are going to be those that are

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05:52:22,360 --> 05:52:28,800
disrupt the status quo, but do bring a lot of benefits. And like Alex mentioned earlier,

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this does follow Park City Forward principles, and so that one being proactively reviewing and

3100
05:52:36,340 --> 05:52:41,320
analyzing the disruptive transportation ideas, and that's exactly what we're doing in this study.

3101
05:52:42,720 --> 05:52:46,960
So just a little bit of backgrounds, they started in 2021 with a grant from U.D.,

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05:52:48,340 --> 05:52:54,500
specifically to look at emerging technologies and disruptive ideas. We bought to council a list

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05:52:54,500 --> 05:52:57,600
back in May of 2022, March 2022,

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05:52:57,860 --> 05:53:00,420
of an initial disruptor's list.

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05:53:00,880 --> 05:53:03,460
We asked you, what do you want us to do with this?

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And basically, you said, just look at everything.

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So we did that and then we brought that list back to you,

3108
05:53:09,000 --> 05:53:13,360
this past February, with an update of where that list was.

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05:53:13,360 --> 05:53:14,920
Some of them were looking at internally,

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05:53:14,920 --> 05:53:17,220
some are already moving forward, like 248.

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05:53:18,360 --> 05:53:20,060
And then some of them we realized we just needed

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to study some more.

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So with the Greenlight from Council,

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So we move for using the grant money for this project, and we contract with Kimley Horn, Salt Lake City Office, to lead this, and we kicked it off in May this year with a stakeholder committee meeting.

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So this is the full list of ideas that were presented to the stakeholder committee. It includes all of those that we presented to you back in February, but we also added some like electric vehicle charging.

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and I think, you know, I think the only loop might have been on there.

3117
05:53:55,300 --> 05:53:57,760
So, but this is a full list. It covers a lot of different topics.

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And so we gave this first stakeholder committee, which is a, it's ten members of point of my man.

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And they are all, most of them are residents, but all of them are members of our community.

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So this group has looked list and they prioritized which ones they wanted to study more in depth.

3121
05:54:19,380 --> 05:54:24,980
Um, so each topic that they selected got its own workshop, um, it's been an hour and a half

3122
05:54:24,980 --> 05:54:29,560
each workshop and if you tell you it up, it's been over 15 hours that this group has already

3123
05:54:29,560 --> 05:54:33,880
committed to this project. We've had a meeting just about every other week throughout the summer.

3124
05:54:34,440 --> 05:54:38,540
So it's been a huge commitment and I just want to say thank you so much for your participation

3125
05:54:38,540 --> 05:54:45,600
in this. Um, so each workshop, we give a little bit of background, have some case studies.

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we have national experts from across the country, subject matter experts, presenting on this

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05:54:50,900 --> 05:54:56,060
information, as well as internal staff. And then we always have just such a good discussion.

3128
05:54:56,240 --> 05:54:59,920
We really get into details, things that we didn't necessarily even anticipate.

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05:55:00,000 --> 05:55:11,960
To pay this group would want to dive into. And then after that discussion in that background, they kind of form a thesis statement, if you will, at the end of each of these workshops of the ideas that they want to pursue further.

3130
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And those will become recommendations to council. They're not finalized yet. We still have one topic left to cover.

3131
05:55:20,400 --> 05:55:26,380
And then we will be joining together again to do a final recommendation summary for you all.

3132
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And then that will be coming back to council early November.

3133
05:55:31,840 --> 05:55:34,840
So again, here is that full list that we gave to the committee.

3134
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And these are the eight that they selected that they wanted to do more study into.

3135
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So you did receive some information about these in your packet.

3136
05:55:43,900 --> 05:55:53,140
except for tunnels and the vehicle for reasons which we just talked about on Monday, so that one didn't have time to make it in.

3137
05:55:54,220 --> 05:56:00,140
So the ones that weren't selected by the committee weren't necessarily not important to us to study,

3138
05:56:00,540 --> 05:56:05,900
so we do have a university of Utah graduate student who is looking at these projects as part of his professional project

3139
05:56:05,900 --> 05:56:09,620
and we're happy to bring those recommendations back to council as well.

3140
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These two smart corridors and connected Thomas and vehicles are being looked at by the PC CAPS group at Park City High School.

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And we actually fortunate enough to have one of their teachers on our committee and he will be giving a brief presentation momentarily

3142
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and including some information more information about that group.

3143
05:56:31,700 --> 05:56:35,340
Finally, Park City staff itself is looking at the remaining topics.

3144
05:56:35,340 --> 05:56:39,440
So planning is leading a LMC update right now

3145
05:56:39,440 --> 05:56:41,100
and we are working with them on that

3146
05:56:41,100 --> 05:56:43,500
and plan to continue that collaboration in the future.

3147
05:56:44,120 --> 05:56:47,580
Sustainability is looking at DC fast charging for EVs

3148
05:56:48,200 --> 05:56:51,980
and, frankly, Williams in transit is looking at mobility

3149
05:56:51,980 --> 05:56:54,300
on demand and ITS.

3150
05:56:56,200 --> 05:56:59,380
So then that's, if for me,

3151
05:56:59,840 --> 05:57:01,580
we do have time for discussion at the end,

3152
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but now I'm gonna welcome our stakeholder committee members

3153
05:57:05,340 --> 05:57:08,380
who have volunteered their time to come speak with you all.

3154
05:57:09,000 --> 05:57:12,060
So Irvine Casey, if you want to head on that.

3155
05:57:22,400 --> 05:57:23,100
Thank you, Hannah.

3156
05:57:23,260 --> 05:57:26,780
I'm Ana Mayo, and city council members.

3157
05:57:27,000 --> 05:57:28,460
Thank you for having us.

3158
05:57:28,520 --> 05:57:33,020
My name is Elvel Abono, and I am a resident of Diavale.

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Casey is here with me, but first I'd like to extend big thanks

3160
05:57:38,880 --> 05:57:43,120
to you for entrusting us into this committee

3161
05:57:43,120 --> 05:57:51,120
and for actually enabling us to collaboratively think about all those innovative ideas.

3162
05:57:51,980 --> 05:57:57,420
I think we've had a lot of very spirited discussion in a very respectful environment.

3163
05:57:58,200 --> 05:58:02,480
And that made this extremely productive from our standpoint.

3164
05:58:04,520 --> 05:58:05,960
Casey, do you want to say World Workweek?

3165
05:58:06,000 --> 05:58:06,980
I'll wrap it up over there.

3166
05:58:07,180 --> 05:58:08,060
All right.

3167
05:58:08,060 --> 05:58:15,000
All right, for the record, Casey and I both are going to discuss today the connection to the airport.

3168
05:58:15,680 --> 05:58:18,840
I am on my day job with United Airlines.

3169
05:58:19,660 --> 05:58:28,640
So I have a heavy airline background on the management side of the house and Casey also has a heavy airline background.

3170
05:58:28,680 --> 05:58:31,280
So we're guilty to stop with.

3171
05:58:37,040 --> 05:58:43,180
So let's speak a little bit about the traffic in Park City and how the traffic is shaped.

3172
05:58:44,060 --> 05:58:49,280
If you look at this slide, you've seen this slide before, at least the left-hand side of

3173
05:58:49,280 --> 05:58:49,860
this slide.

3174
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And in the nutshell, if you look at the three key destination areas in Park City, over 90% of

3175
05:58:59,160 --> 05:59:08,000
traffic it is we have in proxy is composed of visitors. But when you dissect this a little bit

3176
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more, when you actually look at the traffic data and that you pull where those people are coming

3177
05:59:13,460 --> 05:59:24,000
from, when we say visitors, really about a third of it comes from Utah, whether this be the front

3178
05:59:24,000 --> 05:59:35,860
or the back of the West such front and 67% comes from out of state. If you then take that 67%

3179
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that comes from out of state, 80% of it travels over 500 miles. So that gives you an idea

3180
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that over the past five years, extending from January of 1997 through December of 2022.

3181
05:59:54,060 --> 05:59:59,680
You have actually had 30 million people in Park City, as a destination.

3182
06:00:00,780 --> 06:00:11,440
That troubled over 500 miles in that five-year timeframe. Now, those destinations are Main Street, the

3183
06:00:11,440 --> 06:00:20,700
Valley Resort, Park City, Montana Resort, and thanks to Eric and Sarah for providing us with all those data,

3184
06:00:20,960 --> 06:00:26,480
and then enabling us to do all those slicing and dicing up those data to get something meaningful.

3185
06:00:26,480 --> 06:00:36,600
Now, one thing that this informs us is that realistically, this means, it's a factor that

3186
06:00:36,600 --> 06:00:46,680
17,000 people per day realistically could come from the airport to Pox City. If you think about

3187
06:00:46,680 --> 06:00:53,440
the fact that you're likely to fly for distances greater than 500 miles. Now, we're not saying

3188
06:00:53,440 --> 06:01:00,180
this is the entire of their pool right, but this is realistically something that you could look

3189
06:01:00,180 --> 06:01:01,320
to tap into.

3190
06:01:04,150 --> 06:01:08,830
So let's speak about a bus. Let's speak about bus connection and how this would

3191
06:01:08,830 --> 06:01:18,350
actually benefit. Let's be very clear first that a bus is not going to remove people.

3192
06:01:19,290 --> 06:01:29,090
It's going to displace people from a less dense mode of transportation to a denser mode of transportation.

3193
06:01:30,490 --> 06:01:41,350
And so what it really does is you pull cars away from the roadways and you replace them with something that's actually more environmentally friendly.

3194
06:01:41,350 --> 06:01:50,410
None of the call. And with something that's probably also more reliable, but that comes with some constraints.

3195
06:01:51,910 --> 06:02:00,950
The advantage it carries for Poxity, of course, is that if you think about vision 2020, if you think about Poxity Forward,

3196
06:02:00,950 --> 06:02:21,110
You're talking about reduction animations on a passenger mile basis of anywhere in between 17% between a car, or if you would get the double whammy if they come via the airplane, right?

3197
06:02:21,110 --> 06:02:29,030
So you'd actually get 17% from the count to the bus, 27% from the car to the airplane.

3198
06:02:29,350 --> 06:02:34,550
So overall, it's good, good, good goes around from environmental standpoint.

3199
06:02:35,370 --> 06:02:39,610
What that does also mean is that in terms of infrastructure you need in the city, not

3200
06:02:39,610 --> 06:02:45,310
going to park as many cars because now you have substituted transportation.

3201
06:02:46,330 --> 06:02:49,590
When you do that, that does mean that you're still going to have a growth of infrastructure

3202
06:02:49,590 --> 06:02:55,910
that you need to pop calls. It's not going to go as fast, then you otherwise would as you

3203
06:02:55,910 --> 06:03:01,370
displace traffic. The displacement key here is very important.

3204
06:03:04,490 --> 06:03:07,790
So that's overall reducing

3205
06:03:07,790 --> 06:03:12,770
counter- traffic. The second aspect is that you sail-pock-city. You sail-pock-city does a

3206
06:03:12,770 --> 06:03:17,030
destination. This is actually a proven motor. So we are already, I mean, we keep saying we are

3207
06:03:17,030 --> 06:03:18,950
Evan on Earth, yeah, and that's the case.

3208
06:03:19,730 --> 06:03:21,730
But this is Evan on Earth, but that's traffic.

3209
06:03:24,690 --> 06:03:28,270
But we could actually sell Poxid as a destination,

3210
06:03:28,630 --> 06:03:30,550
the airlines commonly do that.

3211
06:03:31,330 --> 06:03:36,550
If you go back, if you roll the tape back to the 1990s,

3212
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constantly, the airlines started both surveys

3213
06:03:38,510 --> 06:03:41,430
between Alenton, Pennsylvania, and New York, New Jersey.

3214
06:03:42,710 --> 06:03:44,770
And the goal was an environmental sustainability

3215
06:03:44,770 --> 06:03:51,710
to be clear at the time. The goal was to expensive to operate jet service or to a

3216
06:03:51,710 --> 06:03:58,590
proper service between those two cities and candidly a traffic congestion made it faster to

3217
06:03:58,590 --> 06:04:04,930
put a bus on this route versus an airplane. We're not here to actually put an airplane

3218
06:04:04,930 --> 06:04:10,570
between Park City and the airport that would not be extremely efficient, though you could

3219
06:04:10,570 --> 06:04:19,110
become an EV tall, but what you can do, because we've started developing this all airlines

3220
06:04:19,110 --> 06:04:28,190
actually now, do this, I'm making does this in actually Alenton to Philadelphia, United

3221
06:04:28,190 --> 06:04:34,770
does this between Breckenridge and Denver and Colorado Springs and Denver, we do

3222
06:04:34,770 --> 06:04:39,730
service with a premium bus service. You have Wi-Fi seamless passenger

3223
06:04:39,730 --> 06:04:47,110
transition from the input, the passenger does not touch its bags going into the bus.

3224
06:04:47,970 --> 06:04:55,450
So you remove those touch points and you create a seamless connection. So if you go back

3225
06:04:55,450 --> 06:04:59,950
to what I mentioned a little bit earlier, 17,000 people per day.

3226
06:05:00,780 --> 06:05:09,860
Now, you think of a bus that's a 52-seater, you think of 18 rotation per day, to feel your bus, you just need 6% market share.

3227
06:05:12,280 --> 06:05:15,500
I just want that to sink in for a quick second. It's not a whole lot.

3228
06:05:16,560 --> 06:05:20,060
And so you're able to sell poxidas a destination, but here's what matters.

3229
06:05:21,540 --> 06:05:33,420
When nine books are next trip from where you from originally, from Seattle, she's not going to book you to Salt Lake City.

3230
06:05:34,060 --> 06:05:37,160
She's going to book Seattle to Park City.

3231
06:05:37,880 --> 06:05:41,080
That's what could be sold to you on the booking engine.

3232
06:05:43,400 --> 06:05:46,440
And we commonly do that with all the destinations.

3233
06:05:46,440 --> 06:05:53,940
And once you've booked your trip, it just becomes seamless, your baggage technical for you and so on and so forth.

3234
06:05:54,740 --> 06:06:01,140
Now, this is all fine and dandy, but this does come with last mile challenges.

3235
06:06:02,340 --> 06:06:15,900
And those last mile challenges is that once you arrive at this beautiful transit center, oh, else well, you still have a need for that last mile infrastructure.

3236
06:06:16,600 --> 06:06:19,580
Now, there are several models that exist in the business.

3237
06:06:21,040 --> 06:06:26,780
If this is completely handled by the airline, typically they are lined, like to have one destination, not several.

3238
06:06:27,660 --> 06:06:34,140
But if you think about what the Colorado Mountain Express was, which is not the peak mountain express,

3239
06:06:35,340 --> 06:06:40,700
the CME was just dropping off at every single destination, the passenger we're looking.

3240
06:06:40,700 --> 06:06:44,760
So it's a different model. You sort of sort of solve the last mile problem.

3241
06:06:45,640 --> 06:06:48,560
The other aspect is if you use a company in a landline,

3242
06:06:49,140 --> 06:06:54,780
an American, United, Sun Country, we all use a landline to be candid.

3243
06:06:56,260 --> 06:07:02,720
And Delta for the record has already investigated landline service to Poxity.

3244
06:07:03,040 --> 06:07:08,620
It comes lower to them in the project release in terms of to be candid money

3245
06:07:08,620 --> 06:07:17,480
And potential profit versus new routes, they have higher profitable opportunities ahead of a line of service to box city.

3246
06:07:18,360 --> 06:07:19,860
But they have looked at this.

3247
06:07:20,860 --> 06:07:28,100
If you look at this, this has the potential to solve some problems.

3248
06:07:28,740 --> 06:07:36,780
It does also come if you go to a single destination with potential traffic challenges to be candid, where you're right.

3249
06:07:36,780 --> 06:07:39,680
because now you have got to get picked up where you're right.

3250
06:07:40,480 --> 06:07:44,460
Right, so again, the two different models need to be walked together.

3251
06:07:45,080 --> 06:07:52,040
What that does mean, though, is at the end of the day, we have got to partner with the hotels,

3252
06:07:52,560 --> 06:08:00,030
with the results to make sure that we ensure for those passengers that last mile,

3253
06:08:00,810 --> 06:08:06,970
piece should we not go to the last mile? The advantage to this is once you

3254
06:08:06,970 --> 06:08:12,410
set this up, you also have potential service for the residents to actually do the

3255
06:08:12,410 --> 06:08:16,330
reverse. Now, we know the residents are not the bulk of the traffic, but this is

3256
06:08:16,330 --> 06:08:23,310
an advantage if you will. The key though, and Casey will dive more into some of

3257
06:08:23,310 --> 06:08:28,910
the details, but the key into all of this at the end of the day, is that we have a

3258
06:08:29,990 --> 06:08:36,970
That name is Poxy. That name is extremely powerful. In fact, my friends are Delta, what I

3259
06:08:36,970 --> 06:08:42,950
hear is if you not just sell a bit more Poxy resonates really well with the executive team.

3260
06:08:46,250 --> 06:08:57,050
We have the potential for public private partnership to execute on this. Between PCMC and between

3261
06:08:57,050 --> 06:09:02,670
airlines and between the results to help solve the problem. So we're not victim. We have

3262
06:09:02,670 --> 06:09:09,410
opportunities out there that we can leverage and tap into with other parties and some

3263
06:09:09,410 --> 06:09:16,970
parties are willing to dance. It's not even tango. He has more like a line dance to be able to

3264
06:09:16,970 --> 06:09:25,410
solve the connection to the airport and that has a potential to really take out traffic.

3265
06:09:26,550 --> 06:09:32,330
from the roadways and densified via that one medium of a bus.

3266
06:09:32,890 --> 06:09:34,910
Now, we'll dive into the details.

3267
06:09:36,510 --> 06:09:37,610
All right.

3268
06:09:37,730 --> 06:09:38,970
Everybody, thank you very much.

3269
06:09:39,370 --> 06:09:42,450
Again, thanks, everybody, for your time today.

3270
06:09:44,150 --> 06:09:51,490
Everybody did a great job covering the potential ridership, the statistics, the data that's kind of behind decisions like this.

3271
06:09:51,490 --> 06:09:58,350
The key part in making it work is being able to offer, you know, dependable, high quality service.

3272
06:09:59,210 --> 06:09:59,910
Part of the background.

3273
06:10:00,000 --> 06:10:04,060
That some of us brought to the table, we had both been with the airlines. I've done a lot of

3274
06:10:04,520 --> 06:10:10,980
Amazon for many years in logistics. I also happen to live up in New England where I took the bus service

3275
06:10:10,980 --> 06:10:18,580
every week from New Hampshire to the airport at Logan. So in terms of being in those areas where traffic is

3276
06:10:18,580 --> 06:10:24,120
not what you'd like it and not what you'd like to kind of deal with on a regular basis, they have high quality

3277
06:10:24,120 --> 06:10:29,620
the hourly service between Portsmouth, between Portland, Oregon, down to Logan Airport that

3278
06:10:29,620 --> 06:10:34,860
is full of residents who travel that route and use this and set a driving their own vehicles.

3279
06:10:35,000 --> 06:10:37,120
They don't have to pay to park and so on and so forth.

3280
06:10:37,640 --> 06:10:42,640
So I think there's not only the bulk of the passengers are absolutely, would be the visitors

3281
06:10:42,640 --> 06:10:47,000
who are traveling here and adds a tremendous value there, but it also has the opportunity

3282
06:10:47,000 --> 06:10:50,520
to provide a tremendous amount of value for our local residents as well.

3283
06:10:51,320 --> 06:10:57,120
Keyes to making it work, again, the dependable high quality service, you've got to be able

3284
06:10:57,120 --> 06:11:01,920
to offer a service that is high frequency and as extensive hours of operation.

3285
06:11:02,180 --> 06:11:07,860
You can't run a bus service where if somebody misses the bus by 10 minutes, they have to wait

3286
06:11:07,860 --> 06:11:13,280
two and a half hours before the next bus comes or it doesn't operate on Saturdays or if

3287
06:11:13,280 --> 06:11:17,800
my, you know, I won't pick on any of our, the airlines we work for, but if you're spirit

3288
06:11:17,800 --> 06:11:23,520
flight, you know, is six hours late that now you don't have a way to get to Park City.

3289
06:11:23,880 --> 06:11:28,540
So you've got to offer a service that, you know, because it doesn't take a lot of bad PR on

3290
06:11:28,540 --> 06:11:34,000
TikTok to have people over nighting in the airport where it would, it would make it difficult.

3291
06:11:34,840 --> 06:11:39,440
And again, having it operate year-round is also positive for the, you know, for the local residents.

3292
06:11:40,260 --> 06:11:43,760
In terms of, you know, the quality of service, I think some of the basics at this point,

3293
06:11:43,760 --> 06:11:47,900
power ports and Wi-Fi and the buses are pretty much standard for the industry these days.

3294
06:11:48,420 --> 06:11:51,980
And then you're going to want to provide a service that's got a cost advantage over

3295
06:11:51,980 --> 06:11:57,080
renting a car or any of the other services that are going to add vehicles that aren't

3296
06:11:57,080 --> 06:11:59,840
taking it, you know, they're going to take vehicles away from the platform.

3297
06:12:00,460 --> 06:12:03,540
So, you know, bus services generally a very economical solution.

3298
06:12:03,720 --> 06:12:08,020
You've got 52 people on the bus being able to offer something that anybody would be able

3299
06:12:08,020 --> 06:12:11,980
to realize this has a cost advantage over some of the other options.

3300
06:12:11,980 --> 06:12:15,860
is we've all seen the prices on some of the black cars

3301
06:12:15,860 --> 06:12:17,520
and the Uber's to get up here, especially,

3302
06:12:17,520 --> 06:12:18,980
you know, even at non-peak periods,

3303
06:12:19,100 --> 06:12:20,620
is usually at least $70 or $80.

3304
06:12:21,800 --> 06:12:24,060
And then the experience on both ends is key.

3305
06:12:24,560 --> 06:12:28,320
So at the airport, you've got to make an easy location

3306
06:12:28,320 --> 06:12:29,640
for people to find at the airport.

3307
06:12:29,640 --> 06:12:31,120
We have a beautiful new airport.

3308
06:12:31,740 --> 06:12:33,460
That's not going to be hard to set up.

3309
06:12:33,540 --> 06:12:35,040
Again, it's the same sort of structure.

3310
06:12:35,300 --> 06:12:36,500
We've seen it at other airports.

3311
06:12:37,180 --> 06:12:39,120
And then the baggage handling aspect of it.

3312
06:12:39,120 --> 06:12:41,400
People obviously are traveling up to Park City

3313
06:12:41,400 --> 06:12:46,040
in the winter time with lots of luggage and making the process easy for them to get to baggage

3314
06:12:46,040 --> 06:12:49,460
claim and onto the bus is very important.

3315
06:12:49,940 --> 06:12:54,500
And then on the park city side, everybody touched on it, you know, having those centrally

3316
06:12:54,500 --> 06:13:00,400
located boarding points, part of what that also drives is part of the last mile challenge

3317
06:13:00,400 --> 06:13:05,280
is having people understand when and where they're going to need to pick somebody up.

3318
06:13:05,680 --> 06:13:10,340
So if you, if some of the hotels, some of the lodging companies were working to attract

3319
06:13:10,340 --> 06:13:14,940
that they're going to know exactly what time that bus was going to arrive if they have passengers

3320
06:13:14,940 --> 06:13:20,040
on that bus and where they're coming, which makes that process much simpler.

3321
06:13:20,500 --> 06:13:24,860
And then offering boarding points that are weather-protected, you know, you can't have somebody

3322
06:13:24,860 --> 06:13:28,300
they're going to be getting on the bus at 4 o'clock in the morning and they can't be standing

3323
06:13:28,300 --> 06:13:33,200
outside when it's, you know, 15 degrees, you know, with their kids and so forth in a place

3324
06:13:33,200 --> 06:13:37,800
that's not weather-protected and the luggage service on both ends as well.

3325
06:13:37,800 --> 06:13:51,120
So, again, this is not something that we will have invented, so a lot of these services, a lot of these options that are offered in other locations are things that we can learn what has worked.

3326
06:13:52,160 --> 06:13:57,820
And we think it could be something that really sets Park City a frankly apart from a lot of the other areas.

3327
06:13:58,380 --> 06:14:04,980
And it just goes to reinforce how easy it is to get here versus just about any other ski resort in the country.

3328
06:14:04,980 --> 06:14:24,280
And so finally, I just want to say my thanks to the Mayor, thanks to the City Council for putting the first supporting this and putting this together and for Hannah and Sarah and Alex and all the staff that we're a pleasure working with that they were extremely organized, brought their expertise and it was just a up pleasure to work with them and be a small part of this.

3329
06:14:24,400 --> 06:14:25,400
So thank you very much.

3330
06:14:25,880 --> 06:14:26,360
Thank you.

3331
06:14:36,640 --> 06:14:38,560
I think I have the order right. Yes.

3332
06:14:43,510 --> 06:14:43,710
Mayor.

3333
06:14:44,290 --> 06:14:59,650
Council, it's an honor to be here. My name is Josh Finkin and I'm a resident of Park City and one of the topics that we looked at within the emerging disruptors committee is the one way loop and very briefly the one we loop.

3334
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:12,160
Full use of currents across to park avenue, park avenue south to do valley drive, full use of the lanes, up to do valley drive, up to

3335
06:15:12,160 --> 06:15:29,320
Bananas of back to currents. So one giant roundabout, a disruptive idea to be sure. And so, you know, the full details and nuts and bolts will come out in the final report, but this group was generally not supportive.

3336
06:15:29,320 --> 06:15:39,340
of the idea on, you know, 24, 7, 365 days a year basis. We were interested in the idea

3337
06:15:39,340 --> 06:15:45,040
thought about it, found it very interesting and thought that maybe we could understand more

3338
06:15:45,040 --> 06:15:51,180
with a pilot program specifically targeting some of the peak times that we've discussed and we

3339
06:15:51,180 --> 06:15:57,860
all know about earlier. The last second bullet point that I want to touch on very briefly that I'm

3340
06:15:57,860 --> 06:16:05,620
excited about is our connection from this committee to PC caps and PC caps is the Park City Center

3341
06:16:05,620 --> 06:16:13,300
for advanced professional studies. It is a project based learning program for 11th and 12th

3342
06:16:13,300 --> 06:16:19,900
graders at our high school and so caps is a national program. PC caps is a I think of like

3343
06:16:19,900 --> 06:16:27,840
our local chapter and full disclosure I am on the board of PC caps and as Hannah mentioned I'm a

3344
06:16:27,840 --> 06:16:40,620
You know, software solutions, computer science robotics strand, and so I'm really excited to say that of the nine topics that we didn't get to.

3345
06:16:41,100 --> 06:16:49,460
The PC caps projects and the students that were picking up one of them around connected autonomous vehicles and supporting technologies.

3346
06:16:49,460 --> 06:16:57,020
smart corridors, connected infrastructure, you know, today, so to speak, autonomous vehicles

3347
06:16:57,020 --> 06:17:02,160
and vehicles have to learn to predict stop signs, traffic signals, those are for humans.

3348
06:17:03,180 --> 06:17:08,140
Tomorrow, those vehicles will communicate directly with those pieces of infrastructure.

3349
06:17:09,100 --> 06:17:15,280
And so the PCCAP students and project will be looking at that topic and really using the same

3350
06:17:15,280 --> 06:17:20,720
framework that we're using within the emerging disrupters committee answering the same questions

3351
06:17:21,640 --> 06:17:27,580
Woohoo will primarily benefit from something like a connected autonomous vehicle ride share

3352
06:17:27,920 --> 06:17:33,340
Does it help park city reach its goals and so I'm really excited about our connection with camps

3353
06:17:33,700 --> 06:17:35,960
Thank you

3354
06:17:36,880 --> 06:17:39,740
Any one more time

3355
06:17:41,400 --> 06:17:42,160
Victoria

3356
06:17:43,620 --> 06:17:44,300
Hi

3357
06:17:53,390 --> 06:17:57,950
everyone. I'm Victoria Schluffer. I'm part of the emerging disruptors group and transportation

3358
06:17:57,950 --> 06:18:04,530
planning manager at Dear Valley Resort. I'm talking about aerial gondolas, which you might think

3359
06:18:04,530 --> 06:18:12,210
connect well to ski resorts. So I grew up talked about aerial gondolas as part of the transportation

3360
06:18:12,210 --> 06:18:18,470
network and overall we kind of talked about it in a few different senses like maybe running along

3361
06:18:18,470 --> 06:18:25,290
the 224248 corridors and then a couple other like non-traditional connections. We would not

3362
06:18:25,290 --> 06:18:31,550
really recommend looking at Gondola's on 224248 corridors just because of increased travel

3363
06:18:31,550 --> 06:18:39,690
time, it like vehicles versus a Gondola would be longer. But we did think that there might be a

3364
06:18:39,690 --> 06:18:46,130
good opportunity to identify different connections from parking lots, parking red lots just directly

3365
06:18:46,130 --> 06:18:52,930
to the resorts, depending on where those parking lot park and ride lots land, and really with

3366
06:18:52,930 --> 06:18:58,350
a focus on kind of making those park and ride lots in a rival experience. So when you're arriving

3367
06:18:58,350 --> 06:19:04,270
at that park and ride lot, you don't just feel like you are maybe at Richardson flat in the middle of

3368
06:19:04,270 --> 06:19:09,830
nowhere, but you're arriving at your value resort and or Park City Mountain, and then you're getting on

3369
06:19:09,830 --> 06:19:26,810
Gondola and ready to start your ski day from there and so yeah, our recommendation on this one is really to kind of find creative paths that could connect in to resorts in different ways from places that we can capture vehicles.

3370
06:19:27,810 --> 06:19:31,830
Thank you.

3371
06:19:39,380 --> 06:19:55,060
Well, I'll try to be as brief and concise and again, one of parathy, the appreciation for being included, Mayor and Council members, it's been an honor to be of work with this crowd. Everyone brings a lot to the table.

3372
06:19:56,340 --> 06:19:59,120
So, I was tasked with looking at vehicle streets.

3373
06:20:00,000 --> 06:20:31,480
On vehicle free streets, maybe a little bit of a misnomer, go to the next slide here, so you know, the, the, so the idea, you know, the disruptive idea and short was prioritizing people over cars for, you know, principal streets or clauses and I think one of the features that this committee really landed on was the challenges of doing kind of temporary and special event.

3374
06:20:31,660 --> 06:20:40,280
oriented street closures because, you know, businesses and can't really take advantage of those

3375
06:20:40,280 --> 06:20:46,560
fully because it's hard for them to plan and staff and supply those kinds of events. But if

3376
06:20:46,560 --> 06:20:53,580
if there were an opportunity to kind of re-look at our civil plan and look at permanent solutions

3377
06:20:53,580 --> 06:20:59,520
that might change that balance a little bit, not necessarily have no cars, but have limited

3378
06:20:59,520 --> 06:21:06,600
cars or or or limited timing or a variety of things that there might be an opportunity that could

3379
06:21:06,600 --> 06:21:12,860
expand and be very helpful for local businesses as well as potentially expand other business

3380
06:21:12,860 --> 06:21:20,400
opportunities. So the keys to success here we've veiled was you know pairing it with convenient

3381
06:21:20,400 --> 06:21:25,600
transit options and and proximate parking because clearly you want to capture people that whole

3382
06:21:25,600 --> 06:21:31,560
of parking once and create, you know, business plans, you know, businesses can actually plan

3383
06:21:31,560 --> 06:21:37,300
around this over a long period of time. We'd improve some of the accessibility, you know,

3384
06:21:37,400 --> 06:21:42,680
not have some of the curves and some of the issues of general accessibility that we have

3385
06:21:42,680 --> 06:21:49,940
in town. And I think another point that was raised was that we didn't really view this as a, as a

3386
06:21:49,940 --> 06:21:55,340
taxpayer funded initiative, so much as a, you know, trying to identify revenue streams

3387
06:21:55,340 --> 06:22:01,980
with potentially a resort option sales tax or or tip or something to create a revenue stream

3388
06:22:01,980 --> 06:22:07,920
against which we could bond for the improvements. And, you know, the areas, you know, it's not,

3389
06:22:07,920 --> 06:22:13,680
you know, Main Street's an obvious choice, although obviously it's been tried or discussed and

3390
06:22:13,680 --> 06:22:20,800
met with mixed mixed emotions. But as we plan for BoPA or other areas of town, there's probably

3391
06:22:20,800 --> 06:22:27,200
an opportunity to do so kind of really have this concept of people over cars from the very

3392
06:22:27,200 --> 06:22:32,140
beginning of the planning. So, you know, this is actually a project that I was involved in

3393
06:22:32,140 --> 06:22:37,760
back east, and I think some of the, some of the, some of the small area planning committees

3394
06:22:37,760 --> 06:22:42,380
have had a chance to view this where, you know, there's a street that has cars on it certain times

3395
06:22:42,380 --> 06:22:47,300
of the day, but has, you know, cafes, zones, transit zones, walking zones, bike zones, there's no

3396
06:22:47,300 --> 06:23:00,720
terms, it's kind of done with with ballards and texture. So there's a lot of neat opportunities out there, kind of nationally and internationally and thought it was something that was worth looking at here in Park City. Thank you.

3397
06:23:10,190 --> 06:23:20,430
So this is our last one and I'm also going to use this is opportunity to segue into a discussion. I think a lot of the point Stephen is going to bring will do that nicely so.

3398
06:23:20,430 --> 06:23:23,030
Um, I'll let him take a look.

3399
06:23:23,350 --> 06:23:25,030
Like the disruptive summary.

3400
06:23:26,990 --> 06:23:27,810
Oops, sorry.

3401
06:23:27,810 --> 06:23:28,330
I like the way.

3402
06:23:29,950 --> 06:23:33,470
Um, first of all, I think, and the whole committee putting this together, this was actually

3403
06:23:33,470 --> 06:23:34,090
a lot of fun.

3404
06:23:34,270 --> 06:23:38,250
It took a lot of time, but there's a lot of good dialogue that went into this.

3405
06:23:38,670 --> 06:23:43,450
And what I think really came out of this, the most is that there's a lot of community members

3406
06:23:43,450 --> 06:23:48,790
that we can really top into because we've got a lot of resources that are available to us.

3407
06:23:48,790 --> 06:23:54,610
They're rich with experience from global travels, to business insight, and it's something

3408
06:23:54,610 --> 06:24:00,150
I'd definitely want to encourage the community to keep doing. We've seen this in the committee

3409
06:24:00,150 --> 06:24:04,690
in the sense that there's so much more that we can tap into. We should harness more as we look

3410
06:24:04,690 --> 06:24:10,470
into the future of Park City. And so much of the ideas that you heard today and probably are going

3411
06:24:10,470 --> 06:24:18,250
to hear at later times really require more of a deeper collaboration. We had a really good group

3412
06:24:18,250 --> 06:24:24,110
people that we work with, my sense is that as we look at how we're going to shape the future

3413
06:24:24,110 --> 06:24:28,630
of the city, there's probably other constituencies that we should be looking into. Obviously,

3414
06:24:28,830 --> 06:24:33,930
the resorts are the biggest draw, right? So we think about what's generating all this traffic

3415
06:24:33,930 --> 06:24:42,310
all as if traffic is a bad word, but how do we look to them for disruptive ideas? Right now

3416
06:24:43,290 --> 06:24:48,010
with the exception of the Mayflower coming on board, we continue to try and funnel

3417
06:24:48,010 --> 06:24:53,790
everybody into this little tiny corridor, right? So there's one entrance into PCMR. There's one

3418
06:24:53,790 --> 06:24:59,630
entrance into the canyons. There was one entrance into the dear valley for the most part.

3419
06:25:00,000 --> 06:25:05,780
We look to the resort to potentially look at other ways where people can actually get into the mountain.

3420
06:25:06,140 --> 06:25:10,120
That would solve lots of different options. We're also present a lot more opportunities.

3421
06:25:11,220 --> 06:25:15,840
The other thing is we think about these constituencies, like hotels, the business operators.

3422
06:25:16,920 --> 06:25:25,220
And a really important constituency is the youth of this town. A lot of the things that we talk about is focused on future 5, 10 years out.

3423
06:25:25,220 --> 06:25:29,580
And so incorporating more of a youthful perspective,

3424
06:25:29,720 --> 06:25:30,820
I think would be really helpful.

3425
06:25:30,980 --> 06:25:33,180
Because ideally, they're gonna be the ones

3426
06:25:33,180 --> 06:25:35,360
who are going to evangelize it

3427
06:25:35,360 --> 06:25:38,880
and help bring a lot of these things to site.

3428
06:25:39,560 --> 06:25:41,280
The world's moving a light speed, right?

3429
06:25:41,400 --> 06:25:42,040
We all know this.

3430
06:25:42,080 --> 06:25:44,680
The barriers to entry for most aspects of business

3431
06:25:44,680 --> 06:25:47,540
and community in life are getting lower and lower.

3432
06:25:47,660 --> 06:25:50,520
And technologies obviously, a catalyst for this.

3433
06:25:50,520 --> 06:25:52,920
Anybody here who's got a teenager or below

3434
06:25:52,920 --> 06:25:59,340
knows that everything is now, now, now, and the idea that it is not now creates all kinds of

3435
06:25:59,340 --> 06:26:05,080
tension, conflict, and confusion. So, as we think about the ideas that we're talking about,

3436
06:26:05,220 --> 06:26:09,960
if we look at them in the vision of some of the younger people who are going to be utilizing this,

3437
06:26:10,800 --> 06:26:15,920
a sense of seamlessness, less friction and speed, I think, are going to be really important.

3438
06:26:16,780 --> 06:26:22,740
So that forces us to change from mindset of being reactive to one that's

3439
06:26:23,620 --> 06:26:27,920
to one that's being more proactive. We're in a really

3440
06:26:27,920 --> 06:26:34,060
enviable position. We live in a town the thousands and thousands of people seek out

3441
06:26:34,060 --> 06:26:38,620
every year to come to. A lifestyle is unmatched as young generations

3442
06:26:38,620 --> 06:26:44,280
favor experiences and this balance between live work and play Park City

3443
06:26:44,280 --> 06:26:48,160
really represents an ideal location. So with that opportunity,

3444
06:26:48,660 --> 06:26:58,920
things that we should think about how we're going to embrace this, how do we use data and the global experiences of all the people of coming here to think about how we shape this future.

3445
06:26:59,200 --> 06:27:04,040
And if we remain mired and red tape and endless dialogue, we're not going to get anywhere.

3446
06:27:04,200 --> 06:27:11,460
One of the things that was really interesting, Sarah and I kind of sidebarred on this was the fact that a lot of these ideas have been thought about.

3447
06:27:11,460 --> 06:27:14,500
Like many of you who've been here for a long and I have,

3448
06:27:14,780 --> 06:27:16,020
none of this is like new,

3449
06:27:16,700 --> 06:27:19,540
but the question becomes at our core,

3450
06:27:19,780 --> 06:27:22,660
how do we really make some of these things actionable?

3451
06:27:23,360 --> 06:27:25,340
And then who are we solving for?

3452
06:27:25,360 --> 06:27:26,400
Who are we planning for?

3453
06:27:26,500 --> 06:27:29,720
Not just for today, but for tomorrow and as we continue

3454
06:27:29,720 --> 06:27:32,020
to think about this canvas of Park City,

3455
06:27:32,480 --> 06:27:34,740
it's gonna change colors, it's gonna have new data,

3456
06:27:34,900 --> 06:27:35,960
it's gonna have new perspective,

3457
06:27:36,820 --> 06:27:39,700
but the preservation of the town

3458
06:27:39,700 --> 06:27:46,580
is the most important and at its core, that preservation is the people, right? So, as we think

3459
06:27:46,580 --> 06:27:53,000
about how we approach all of these, I just, one of the things I kept pushing back on is who we

3460
06:27:53,000 --> 06:27:58,840
trying to solve for. And so, as we think about these, they're all going to be impacted in different ways.

3461
06:27:59,300 --> 06:28:04,060
How we determine our next steps and as we plan was going to be impactful to all of these. So,

3462
06:28:04,280 --> 06:28:07,570
with that in mind, I just want to say thank you again and appreciate all the

3463
06:28:07,570 --> 06:28:10,450
conversation and continue dollar.

3464
06:28:21,910 --> 06:28:39,050
As a recap, when you have one more topic workshop, it's going to be over tunnels, and then we will get together to get the group's final recommendations, return to council with those recommendations and next steps, and then we will wrap up the project with a comprehensive report.

3465
06:28:39,950 --> 06:28:43,390
I'm happy to answer any questions or discussion.

3466
06:28:45,280 --> 06:28:50,040
Well, thank you, Hannah, for your leadership on this, and thank you again to our disrupters

3467
06:28:50,040 --> 06:28:55,240
that took their own time to study all these things and make some recommendations to us.

3468
06:28:56,480 --> 06:28:57,980
Council, what questions do you have?

3469
06:29:00,800 --> 06:29:05,800
Do we get to come up with our own airport call sign if we go with that shuttle thing?

3470
06:29:07,360 --> 06:29:15,460
So, yeah, who was responsible for the airport connection was something that came up, but don't know about the airport sign.

3471
06:29:15,460 --> 06:29:18,720
for a lot. Perfect.

3472
06:29:26,560 --> 06:29:27,080
Cool.

3473
06:29:29,080 --> 06:29:30,120
Thank you.

3474
06:29:31,040 --> 06:29:31,740
90s movie.

3475
06:29:32,080 --> 06:29:33,080
It is a 90s movie.

3476
06:29:33,700 --> 06:29:35,480
I just want to say this is phenomenal.

3477
06:29:36,220 --> 06:29:37,900
Niana and Sarah and everyone who worked on it.

3478
06:29:37,920 --> 06:29:44,340
I think it's so incredibly creative and smart to use members of our community who have very different points of view.

3479
06:29:44,340 --> 06:29:50,220
who we don't always hear from and I'm just in awe of this process. So really good job. And I

3480
06:29:50,220 --> 06:29:56,400
may appreciate all of the, all that's come out of it. I have some just like independent questions

3481
06:29:56,400 --> 06:29:59,940
on some of these. And so I don't know if...

3482
06:30:02,720 --> 06:30:12,660
Okay, so one of my questions when we were looking at what Peter discussed with the vehicle free streets was, did this group look at streets that are at an incline?

3483
06:30:13,500 --> 06:30:22,440
Yeah, so that was one thing that did come up, and one of the reasons why I think Peter mentioned, like it's a vehicle trees a bit of not accurate to what the group ended up recommending.

3484
06:30:23,940 --> 06:30:32,480
One thing that we did wanted to make sure we included was some, you know, it's going to have to be like vehicle delivery vehicles and things like that.

3485
06:30:33,700 --> 06:30:41,640
But also potentially using some sort, like does the trolley stay some sort of, and I understand that in the past this has kind of been talked about.

3486
06:30:42,720 --> 06:30:48,620
And there are definitely like some safety concerns with if there's no curb if pedestrians are in the street and then they're still like a moving vehicle.

3487
06:30:50,340 --> 06:30:58,920
But speaking of autonomous vehicles, there are autonomous shuttles that exist that could help with that.

3488
06:30:59,600 --> 06:31:11,800
So, great. I will say the Salt Lake Connector is so smart. I mean, I lived in Colorado for a long time ago, and this was something I did every time I went to the airport.

3489
06:31:11,800 --> 06:31:22,220
Now, I just goes back to me like, I took me every time I never drove and so it's kind of crazy that we don't necessarily do that and then I just two questions on the one way.

3490
06:31:22,980 --> 06:31:33,400
So did we, is there a reason why or did we even think of looking at creating old town as one ways where going to the resort would be empire south,

3491
06:31:33,400 --> 06:31:42,560
or if there's something like that and then going back and forth that way so that these streets are super small and they became one way this winter, so I think we've had some practice on that.

3492
06:31:43,440 --> 06:31:48,460
We didn't talk about that as a group, but Alex is inching towards me, so I don't know if you.

3493
06:31:50,740 --> 06:31:54,160
Yeah, we didn't look at it as we didn't look at that as part of this group.

3494
06:31:54,160 --> 06:31:56,980
It was really just that, so specific.

3495
06:31:57,460 --> 06:32:02,920
Um, which you kind of thought we might get into that, but we really say right there on that loop.

3496
06:32:03,220 --> 06:32:09,980
So, and then last one, in inside of that square, would the streets like homestay and,

3497
06:32:10,760 --> 06:32:13,160
oh my gosh, and forgetting the name of the other street in the middle, um,

3498
06:32:13,380 --> 06:32:14,500
would they remain two way?

3499
06:32:15,840 --> 06:32:20,140
Yeah, so the consideration of connectivity, um, did come up with that.

3500
06:32:20,580 --> 06:32:22,680
Um, so Munchkin and Homestay work.

3501
06:32:22,840 --> 06:32:26,000
We didn't really test necessarily say if they'd be one way or one or not.

3502
06:32:26,820 --> 06:32:40,480
But we did the group did anticipate that there would be increased cut through through those areas so that was just something that they noted that if this were to become a permanent feature would definitely need to be considered.

3503
06:32:41,560 --> 06:32:48,760
I'm also having lived in Denver getting used to one way streets with something I thought I couldn't do and then immediately within like a month

3504
06:32:48,760 --> 06:33:00,140
I was like whoa, this is so yeah. Yeah. So I moved here from Portland, which has a lot of one way streets downtown and I got so used to it in fact that I forgot that downtown could not be one way

3505
06:33:00,580 --> 06:33:06,940
So I moved to Salt Lake and was driving on the wrong side of the road here and it really helped us with bike safety to get really really does

3506
06:33:09,400 --> 06:33:10,720
And the questions, right?

3507
06:33:11,000 --> 06:33:14,380
Why assume we're not, I mean, I guess it's a question about going forward.

3508
06:33:14,540 --> 06:33:17,520
Each of these topics could be their own deep dive, right?

3509
06:33:17,980 --> 06:33:22,940
So how do we, what's the plan for taking this and digging into the individual concepts?

3510
06:33:23,020 --> 06:33:27,400
Or what do we do not have this kind of land with a flood on a desk and like take some things

3511
06:33:27,400 --> 06:33:28,180
and push them forward?

3512
06:33:29,120 --> 06:33:33,880
So each of these topics were looked at by the group and they really did a good job of setting

3513
06:33:33,880 --> 06:33:34,480
the parameters.

3514
06:33:34,480 --> 06:33:51,360
like, I have a trade mention with the Gondola, originally, you know, staff had kind of conceptualized it, you know, either being like a internal system or, you know, just like taking you from Richardson flat into Bananas of Park and then you would get to destination from there.

3515
06:33:52,540 --> 06:33:58,000
So, the plan, our next steps for this, we plan to get those recommendations finalized

3516
06:33:58,000 --> 06:34:03,420
improvisation lists from the group, and also because some hybrid approaches, like, do we

3517
06:34:03,420 --> 06:34:09,380
would it make more sense to do a reversible lane so that we could get a bus lane or how can we

3518
06:34:09,380 --> 06:34:15,740
combine some of these strategies? So, this group really is just setting the parameters which ones

3519
06:34:15,740 --> 06:34:22,880
have merit which one should we should the city further pursue and then, yeah, it would be

3520
06:34:22,880 --> 06:34:29,560
an individual or combined depending on, okay? I think our intent would be to take the recommendation

3521
06:34:29,560 --> 06:34:35,240
list, present them to you and then give you the option of how you would want us to advance them

3522
06:34:35,240 --> 06:34:41,040
through further study or something to that effect. I think what the group's doing is a really good

3523
06:34:41,040 --> 06:34:46,560
of setting the conditions where they think this makes sense and we think that those will be

3524
06:34:46,560 --> 06:34:50,460
really helpful coming to you. They've given us these conditions. Do you agree with these conditions

3525
06:34:50,460 --> 06:34:54,160
and how would you like us to move forward with them? Does that public-private partnership? Is that

3526
06:34:54,160 --> 06:34:57,500
coordinating with you dot? I think there's a number of next steps that would come out of this.

3527
06:35:00,000 --> 06:35:20,160
My questions kind of go back to the five fundamental questions of who, what, when, where, and why. And that came out of final part of this presentation, who are we solving for each of these emerging disruptors solve a slightly different problem for a slightly different group of people.

3528
06:35:21,820 --> 06:35:27,920
And I guess the question that I feel like maybe I've asked them the wrong way a number of times is.

3529
06:35:29,360 --> 06:35:31,360
Do we actually have a problem?

3530
06:35:32,080 --> 06:35:36,820
I'm not sure what the problem is if it can be really well defined.

3531
06:35:37,080 --> 06:35:39,520
I know for some folks there's a big problem, right?

3532
06:35:40,220 --> 06:35:46,140
For a handful of people who are, well, the 13,000 cars a day that are traveling in and out of park city.

3533
06:35:46,320 --> 06:35:49,180
You know, out of particular time the day, there's a problem for them.

3534
06:35:49,700 --> 06:35:52,680
But I just don't know how to define what a problem is.

3535
06:35:52,680 --> 06:35:59,040
is 65 days of traffic, actually the definition of a problem that we need to fix with an emergent

3536
06:35:59,040 --> 06:36:04,360
disruptor, or some of these other incremental solutions that we're talking about getting

3537
06:36:04,360 --> 06:36:09,660
people out of cars outside of town, does that actually mitigate the problem for long enough that

3538
06:36:09,660 --> 06:36:17,720
an emergent disruptor is over and above what we could potentially ever need? I'm curious if the

3539
06:36:17,720 --> 06:36:24,340
group had that conversation and then sort of what comes out of that, but I do want to start

3540
06:36:24,340 --> 06:36:29,320
and finish each of these conversations with, do we have a problem? What's the definition

3541
06:36:29,320 --> 06:36:35,560
of a problem? And then does that exist here? Because I don't want to be going down this road of

3542
06:36:36,420 --> 06:36:44,800
tunnels, traw, traw, these gondolas, you know, one way is if it's for something that most of us

3543
06:36:44,800 --> 06:36:49,900
consider a problem. I'm not saying that's the case, but I'm also not totally convinced that we

3544
06:36:49,900 --> 06:36:57,100
have a problem big enough to justify this type of disruption idea yet. Yeah, I'd like to agree with

3545
06:36:57,100 --> 06:37:01,780
them. When this does come back for further discussion, it would be really helpful to understand

3546
06:37:02,540 --> 06:37:07,720
really precisely. What is the problem we're trying to solve with this disruptive idea?

3547
06:37:07,720 --> 06:37:14,640
So we can have that discussion knowing what the outcome is we're trying to achieve, right?

3548
06:37:14,640 --> 06:37:21,600
It's not just like we're going to throw some crazy ideas on the wall for fun, we need to see what's coming out of them.

3549
06:37:23,340 --> 06:37:26,100
Yeah, that definitely appreciate those questions.

3550
06:37:26,320 --> 06:37:27,360
Those definitely came up.

3551
06:37:27,520 --> 06:37:31,320
We started every discussion with what problem does this seek to solve.

3552
06:37:31,920 --> 06:37:35,400
And what we found was the script really was interested in a lot of regional solutions.

3553
06:37:35,400 --> 06:37:41,760
So looking at that airport connection and a passenger rail from Salt Lake City, to kind of

3554
06:37:41,760 --> 06:37:49,800
answer the corridor that tended to be what the group gravitated towards as far as the problem

3555
06:37:49,800 --> 06:37:53,820
that they're solving for. Some of them were more localized and like the vehicle free streets,

3556
06:37:53,960 --> 06:37:59,180
one of the problems with that and that being like that came up was talking about how Park City residents

3557
06:37:59,180 --> 06:38:04,260
don't necessarily go to mean shoot as much anymore and making that a place that they feel more connected

3558
06:38:04,260 --> 06:38:12,620
to. But yes, yes, that did come up a lot. Like, who are we solving for? And it's a difficult thing

3559
06:38:12,620 --> 06:38:18,060
to parse out because a lot of these things, we may intend it for one person, and there's always

3560
06:38:18,060 --> 06:38:23,500
externalities of how that impacts others. But yeah, I agree. We want to be multimodal, but is there

3561
06:38:23,500 --> 06:38:30,920
such thing as too many modes and too much disruption? So to build on that a little bit, what could

3562
06:38:30,920 --> 06:38:35,020
be helpful, or I'll just throw it out there, speaking of disruption,

3563
06:38:37,640 --> 06:38:40,400
not convinced that our community

3564
06:38:40,400 --> 06:38:46,020
perceives there to truly be a broad traffic problem, right, to bring that in the next level,

3565
06:38:46,400 --> 06:38:51,200
that it's not necessarily the worst thing that it's hard to get in and out of the city at certain

3566
06:38:51,200 --> 06:38:59,100
times. I mean, that's the reality. So if we can have some kind of sampling done that supports,

3567
06:38:59,100 --> 06:39:05,020
maybe our assumption that there is a problem we're trying to solve on that front, and maybe

3568
06:39:05,020 --> 06:39:11,340
helps us narrow in on, know the real problem is morning and afternoon traffic on 248, right?

3569
06:39:11,340 --> 06:39:16,660
It's not this broad, we have a traffic problem discussion that that would really help us get to

3570
06:39:16,660 --> 06:39:19,940
better decisions. Okay, thank you. One more question.

3571
06:39:23,180 --> 06:39:25,500
How have we had conversations with the schools?

3572
06:39:26,100 --> 06:39:32,760
So I think there, it always seems to come up and we kind of skirt around it a little bit or like talk around it.

3573
06:39:34,040 --> 06:39:39,000
But like, is it really hard for our high schoolers to get into school every morning?

3574
06:39:39,400 --> 06:39:43,500
Are they having an issue? Is it hard for parents to drop off and then pull in?

3575
06:39:44,620 --> 06:39:47,480
Like I just wondered, is there been any conversations about schools?

3576
06:39:47,500 --> 06:39:51,060
Because I do feel like sometimes that is part of our traffic conversation is the school.

3577
06:39:52,320 --> 06:39:59,760
Yeah, with this we're we are working at the university high school students but not we have not as part of this process have not talked to administrators about this

3578
06:40:00,460 --> 06:40:08,140
Generally, I do get the sense that there's a bit of a problem right in there. It seems like there's always traffic in the morning's, when school is in session.

3579
06:40:09,920 --> 06:40:17,380
So I think that by working with a PC caps group, that is something that I hope to understand more, they're going to be holding focus groups with their peers.

3580
06:40:18,360 --> 06:40:23,000
So we can kind of understand what the students perspective is in that.

3581
06:40:23,820 --> 06:40:26,740
But that is something that we can explore in the future somewhere.

3582
06:40:28,650 --> 06:40:31,410
One, one other request add to that, besides that.

3583
06:40:31,550 --> 06:40:34,770
I think Stephen had on it that we do want to expand this group moving forward.

3584
06:40:34,930 --> 06:40:35,990
And I think the high school is great.

3585
06:40:36,630 --> 06:40:38,190
I feel like we were in normal chambers.

3586
06:40:38,410 --> 06:40:39,530
I'd be sitting up here.

3587
06:40:39,990 --> 06:40:40,570
That's not for good.

3588
06:40:41,930 --> 06:40:43,990
The other lens when it comes back.

3589
06:40:44,310 --> 06:40:51,210
We really helpful is getting to the same level of specificity on how these ideas address parking issues.

3590
06:40:52,570 --> 06:40:54,650
Right, where are the parking issues and how they address them.

3591
06:40:54,650 --> 06:41:00,010
But segmenting it and getting to that level of detail where we can act, where we define outcomes,

3592
06:41:00,250 --> 06:41:05,390
just like we do with micro transit and fixed route buses and everything else. It's it's just a

3593
06:41:05,390 --> 06:41:07,310
little broader. Thanks.

3594
06:41:09,990 --> 06:41:16,310
Yeah, I do see this as like the first the very first step of this process.

3595
06:41:17,290 --> 06:41:23,890
So definitely something. Thank you so much. And thanks again to the group for all the hard work

3596
06:41:23,890 --> 06:41:31,270
you put into this. It's fascinating. We're heading towards the finish line here and

3597
06:41:31,270 --> 06:41:38,370
does anybody need a break before we talk about Gordo? Look at the go. Okay. Well, in different

3598
06:41:38,370 --> 06:41:43,210
transportation solutions, discussions that we've had as a Council of Gordo a lot has come up

3599
06:41:43,210 --> 06:41:49,830
numerous times as a possible intercept lot and at the Spring Council retreat that we had,

3600
06:41:49,830 --> 06:41:56,430
we asked staff to spend some time looking at the feasibility of the city on Gordor Park so as a park

3601
06:41:56,430 --> 06:41:58,150
and ride. So looking forward to

3602
06:42:02,250 --> 06:42:03,870
that.

3603
06:42:12,050 --> 06:42:15,510
All right, final topic, very exciting.

3604
06:42:16,430 --> 06:42:21,370
Sarah Pierce, deputy city manager. We are here to talk to you about the Gordor property,

3605
06:42:21,530 --> 06:42:25,830
feasibility work that we've done. We continue to talk about the need for an

3606
06:42:25,830 --> 06:42:31,710
our sub-lot at our 248 entry corridor to reduce the number of single occupancy vehicles coming

3607
06:42:31,710 --> 06:42:39,950
in the town. In March, at the March retreat, you all directed us to explore the city owned

3608
06:42:39,950 --> 06:42:46,490
Gordo property as a potential parking ride. This property has a lot of history, including soils

3609
06:42:46,490 --> 06:42:51,290
depository, which we will review in this section, along with an overview of the quick analysis we

3610
06:42:51,290 --> 06:42:58,050
as a first step. We recognize that this is the first conversation and there needs to be a robust

3611
06:42:58,050 --> 06:43:04,970
community engagement process before we make any decisions about this property. But let's get started.

3612
06:43:05,170 --> 06:43:06,390
Heinrich, take it away.

3613
06:43:08,850 --> 06:43:13,350
Next slide. I think. So this is just a who-what-win-where-why of

3614
06:43:13,350 --> 06:43:20,790
So Gordo is a collectively referred to, this is about 17 acres that we refer to as Gordo.

3615
06:43:20,890 --> 06:43:26,170
There's a map associated with it. There's five or six acquisitions that actually make up Gordo.

3616
06:43:26,730 --> 06:43:32,070
We've provided that in your packet, so you can see the staff reports associated with seeing some of the meeting minutes.

3617
06:43:32,430 --> 06:43:37,190
I think more importantly to note on this, the law on Sanchez, which are the green and yellow parcels.

3618
06:43:37,230 --> 06:43:42,550
Those are purchased with open space, bond funds, okay, so those are restricted as open space.

3619
06:43:42,550 --> 06:43:56,290
The rest of them are sort of a lamb-baking, if you will, aspect, and that's why these properties, in my opinion, have sort of stayed out there and seen numerous iterations or ideas sort of float across in the past few years.

3620
06:43:56,670 --> 06:44:03,790
Additionally in your packet, you have some information on the general plan. There's principles from the 2004, I think it was.

3621
06:44:03,790 --> 06:44:13,950
joint twins joint planning principles. And then this a lot of the area was annexed in well some of the area was annexed in 2015 and there's some applications associated with

3622
06:44:15,110 --> 06:44:21,110
possible planning aspects associated with with the Gordo properties. So

3623
06:44:21,110 --> 06:44:29,270
lastly, what I want to say, you know, if you have any questions I'm here to answer, but there's two uses that are there that are really important. And if

3624
06:44:29,270 --> 06:44:34,210
whatever we choose I think we need to address those. One is soils. I think Ryan will hit on those. I know he's

3625
06:44:34,770 --> 06:44:41,950
virtual at the moment. But Troy and his team dude use this as a public works material recycling and in the back

3626
06:44:42,650 --> 06:44:46,790
decanting process. Troy's there behind you. He can explain what that means. I don't know if I could tell you

3627
06:44:47,630 --> 06:44:51,610
But the point of that is it did go through a permitting process. This isn't just like a pick up a

3628
06:44:51,610 --> 06:44:56,690
move it over to someplace else. It is something that we'd have to address moving for it. So if you have any

3629
06:44:56,690 --> 06:44:59,950
questions for me or anything and the stuff report. If not.

3630
06:45:00,000 --> 06:45:02,420
Go and fast. I'll pass it to the next person.

3631
06:45:03,420 --> 06:45:05,580
Oh, I'm next to. Oh.

3632
06:45:08,080 --> 06:45:14,240
As a collection of those parcels, one of the parcels we acquired from Utah to their surplus property process.

3633
06:45:14,360 --> 06:45:19,740
I think we did that in 2016, 2017. We actually entered into that process again.

3634
06:45:20,160 --> 06:45:23,700
A few years back, it was delayed pretty heavily because of COVID.

3635
06:45:23,700 --> 06:45:39,620
But they have identified the parcel there that's highlighted about five, I mean, about half an acre, as being surplus, we are subject to the U. process associated with that, but we're pretty far along in that process and should council it would come back to council.

3636
06:45:40,180 --> 06:45:45,780
So you could agree to move forward with that acquisition or you could just disregard it. So it's important to know.

3637
06:45:50,000 --> 06:45:51,840
How do I hand that over time?

3638
06:45:52,580 --> 06:45:54,040
Can everyone hear me?

3639
06:45:55,640 --> 06:45:55,820
Yes.

3640
06:45:56,240 --> 06:45:56,440
Great.

3641
06:45:57,080 --> 06:45:59,880
Sorry, I'm recovering from a cold, so I am at home.

3642
06:46:00,800 --> 06:46:04,800
But just to give a quick recap of where we're at on the solar remediation.

3643
06:46:05,440 --> 06:46:09,600
And to really back up this story began in the fall of 2021 after the city,

3644
06:46:09,840 --> 06:46:13,780
withdrew their application to have a solar repository on site.

3645
06:46:13,780 --> 06:46:19,800
Utah Department of Environmental Quality sent a letter to the city asking what the plan is for the site.

3646
06:46:20,180 --> 06:46:28,500
Shortly after that I was hired and began the process of bringing to you a list of options to council in September of 2022.

3647
06:46:29,400 --> 06:46:37,020
At that meeting it was decided that I would proceed with a voluntary cleanup through the environmental cleanup program with DEQ.

3648
06:46:37,020 --> 06:46:39,720
I entered into that program in September.

3649
06:46:40,140 --> 06:46:42,860
I went through an RFP process to choose a consultant

3650
06:46:42,860 --> 06:46:45,000
to help guide us through the process

3651
06:46:45,000 --> 06:46:49,820
and started that work with sampling this summer

3652
06:46:49,820 --> 06:46:52,400
and we'll kind of dive in through those other milestones as we go.

3653
06:46:52,700 --> 06:46:53,680
Next slide.

3654
06:46:56,120 --> 06:46:58,000
So the soil sampling was unsurprising

3655
06:46:58,000 --> 06:47:02,820
from the results we did the sampling over a week.

3656
06:47:02,820 --> 06:47:32,800
In July, we broke the site up kind of according to the characteristics on site, you know, focusing on the pile that was, you know, placed years ago, the current uses with public works and then the yellow we used as background information so the sampling showed the yellow was consistent with background levels of what an arsenic and other metals that we tested for and then purple and blue we found some contamination.

3657
06:47:32,820 --> 06:47:34,580
in those areas. Next slide.

3658
06:47:37,120 --> 06:47:40,860
Part of the sampling efforts is we use that data to conduct a risk

3659
06:47:40,860 --> 06:47:48,280
assessment. This is a statutory process through environmental quality regulations. The inputs

3660
06:47:48,280 --> 06:47:54,840
were from the sampling efforts in July and we did a dual assessment looking at both commercial

3661
06:47:55,860 --> 06:48:01,780
uses and also residential. And the standards for those are different and why we did both of them.

3662
06:48:01,780 --> 06:48:06,560
I wanted to keep the options open for whatever we might do later on down the road.

3663
06:48:07,400 --> 06:48:13,800
From that dual risk assessment, the recommendation is that we haul off all the contaminated

3664
06:48:13,800 --> 06:48:20,940
soil on the property. This is due to the fact that from a risk perspective,

3665
06:48:21,460 --> 06:48:28,940
all in that soil is the easiest and most effective way to receive a kind of closure certificate

3666
06:48:28,940 --> 06:48:37,680
from DEQ. Next slide. So just looking at the next steps. Currently our risk assessment is

3667
06:48:37,680 --> 06:48:44,080
under review by DEQ. Once we get comments back from them to proceed, we'll finalize that

3668
06:48:44,080 --> 06:48:49,840
assessment. We'll use the data from the sampling and the risk assessment to develop a corrective

3669
06:48:49,840 --> 06:48:55,860
action plan that'll essentially tell us how much soil doing it and move, where will it be

3670
06:48:55,860 --> 06:49:02,520
those stuff, how will we do that effectively and safely? My plan is to develop that

3671
06:49:02,520 --> 06:49:07,220
corrective action plan over the fall and winter and then engage with an excavator

3672
06:49:07,220 --> 06:49:13,860
contract in the spring and summer and remove all the soil that is on site. Using

3673
06:49:13,860 --> 06:49:18,580
home state numbers, I estimate from where we are right now again, I don't have exact

3674
06:49:18,580 --> 06:49:25,060
numbers on how much soil would need to be removed, but I would guess it would cost somewhere

3675
06:49:25,060 --> 06:49:32,080
between three and four million dollars to remove all of that soil. And that is all I have.

3676
06:49:34,800 --> 06:49:39,120
Does anybody have any soil questions for Ryan before we go forward?

3677
06:49:42,240 --> 06:49:45,460
Three to three to four. Three, three, two, four million. Right, Ryan.

3678
06:49:46,040 --> 06:49:52,160
That's correct. Using numbers from the whole state remediation that we did to get that lower number.

3679
06:49:52,340 --> 06:49:56,000
And then the four million is what I estimated last fall in September.

3680
06:50:00,000 --> 06:50:14,880
One point in time we had talked about the idea of bearing it in place and capping it or doing or but is this is this less expensive is that how you got to this point or.

3681
06:50:15,680 --> 06:50:18,160
So the I think.

3682
06:50:18,160 --> 06:50:45,000
The risk assessment is really what would inform the use on that property, and we evaluated it for if you wanted to put some sort of commercial structure on there, you know, like a public work building or a restaurant or, you know, anywhere that you might have people that would work indoors, and then we also evaluated it from a residential perspective, so if you wanted to put houses on that property, what would that look like.

3683
06:50:45,000 --> 06:50:53,620
And, and both of those results came back that really the risk level is better to remove all the soil than to try to cap it in place.

3684
06:50:54,180 --> 06:51:04,080
So while it might be less expensive to cap in place, if you wanted to develop the property, you would need to remove it per this environmental cleanup program with the state.

3685
06:51:04,580 --> 06:51:05,560
Did that answer your question?

3686
06:51:06,820 --> 06:51:07,060
Yes.

3687
06:51:09,060 --> 06:51:09,940
Any other questions?

3688
06:51:11,580 --> 06:51:31,700
All right, so over the years we've heard a lot of ideas for this property, currently we are using it for public works and that has an essential need on the site, which we need to be factoring into our future plans, whether we accommodate that public works need or we find a suitable alternative location.

3689
06:51:31,700 --> 06:51:36,900
The main discussion today is about a parking ride because that's the direction that we received in March.

3690
06:51:37,600 --> 06:51:43,980
But we're going to touch on a few other ideas as well, such as mixed use of portable housing trails and open space, etc.

3691
06:51:44,480 --> 06:51:48,320
So I'm going to turn it over now to Alex.

3692
06:51:52,290 --> 06:51:59,890
So recently we worked with the county to establish a RFP to select a regional parking ride,

3693
06:51:59,890 --> 06:52:03,230
consultant to help us look at what regionally throughout

3694
06:52:03,230 --> 06:52:05,990
Summit County and even into Washington County and maybe touching

3695
06:52:05,990 --> 06:52:09,990
on Salt Lake, Salt Lake County, where in what park and

3696
06:52:09,990 --> 06:52:14,770
ride locations do we need to achieve? And what is the strategy

3697
06:52:14,770 --> 06:52:17,730
for getting there? So the first step of that will be to look at

3698
06:52:17,730 --> 06:52:21,130
the travel into the city, both into the city and into

3699
06:52:21,130 --> 06:52:24,430
you know, Kimball Junction area. It's like, okay, what percentage

3700
06:52:24,430 --> 06:52:27,730
of those trips during a time that we established, do we want to

3701
06:52:27,730 --> 06:52:32,810
in these parking right lots. And then working back from that baseline establishment of we're trying to

3702
06:52:32,810 --> 06:52:36,810
solve this problem that we have during these times we think we need to accommodate

3703
06:52:36,810 --> 06:52:42,210
X amount of cars at intercept lots then going and saying okay where do we believe the best

3704
06:52:42,210 --> 06:52:48,210
places for those intercept lots are and how do we want to activate them. So kind of a two phase process

3705
06:52:48,210 --> 06:52:53,470
of that that project is just selecting the consultant now and we anticipate the project to take

3706
06:52:53,470 --> 06:52:57,510
about a year to establish that but I think what's we have that will have a really better

3707
06:52:57,510 --> 06:53:02,090
understanding and collaboration with the county on what we're hoping to achieve with

3708
06:53:02,090 --> 06:53:06,730
park and ride activation and then what the transit impacts would be to those locations.

3709
06:53:08,270 --> 06:53:14,010
So, you know, we were funded by Udats, we'll always want to thank them and we should be rolling out

3710
06:53:14,010 --> 06:53:19,810
kind of the initial process of this plan in the next month or two. But again, the idea is to really

3711
06:53:19,810 --> 06:53:26,990
Like, I think it's something that we've kind of done a little bit piecemilly or really take a proactive approach to deciding what we need in the future for park and ride lots.

3712
06:53:33,440 --> 06:53:39,140
So, before you can move forward, you think a little bit where you came from and park and ride history.

3713
06:53:39,860 --> 06:53:43,260
So, just quick snapshot while we're thinking regionally about park and rides.

3714
06:53:43,780 --> 06:53:49,640
In 2016, there was a regional parking, blue ribbon parking committee convened by Summit County.

3715
06:53:49,640 --> 06:53:56,120
And it was determined that some accounting would lead looking at park and ride access along to 24.

3716
06:53:57,040 --> 06:54:00,480
And Park City would look at park and rides in the vicinity of 248.

3717
06:54:00,900 --> 06:54:04,460
And that's how Echer Hill park and ride was born.

3718
06:54:05,100 --> 06:54:09,520
And the regional sales tax revenue for transportation that was voted in 2016.

3719
06:54:10,040 --> 06:54:12,280
That money went to that particular project.

3720
06:54:12,380 --> 06:54:14,900
So Park City we've been looking in this area.

3721
06:54:14,900 --> 06:54:23,980
And, you know, we had a successful season last year piloting Richardson flat, and then we also are responding to you on the March direction.

3722
06:54:24,200 --> 06:54:30,680
I think one of the main things is out touched on that we're looking to get the number of parking cells for the parking demand.

3723
06:54:31,200 --> 06:54:41,220
But also think about, are we going with the string of pearls looking first park and ride strategy like our existing Richardson flat, maybe another one, such as Gordo or something else,

3724
06:54:41,220 --> 06:54:52,900
Or are we looking at one major strategy for one particular park and ride so that will be another by product and we have to of course think about where we come from so with that I'll hand it over to John.

3725
06:54:54,180 --> 06:54:59,940
I mean, Julia, mine is just a real breach, so after we had limited the use of the group.

3726
06:55:00,000 --> 06:55:24,200
Roll site for the soils repository. We wanted to look to see what how that would that site score for a parking lot. We had just recently completed a day in analysis, becoming a performance criteria to define a parking ride in various properties of city had owned out in this area. At the time, the first study was done. We did not own the Gordo site. I'm sorry. The Gordo site was already identified as sole soil as a projectory story. It was not included in there.

3727
06:55:24,200 --> 06:55:30,140
we added it in using that same performance criteria to say how well it would score. It did score well.

3728
06:55:30,520 --> 06:55:38,520
I do want to acknowledge the fact that the original publication of this showed a much higher score for

3729
06:55:38,520 --> 06:55:43,840
the the Gordo site, but we did we did get notified by some residents and council members and we

3730
06:55:43,840 --> 06:55:48,160
corrected that. And so the what's reflected there now meets that using that same criteria.

3731
06:55:48,860 --> 06:55:55,260
So it still scores well as a park and ride, but maybe not as superior as a reason that appeared so.

3732
06:55:57,140 --> 06:55:58,320
Back to Alex.

3733
06:55:59,180 --> 06:56:03,080
So building off the Spring Pantle Retreat,

3734
06:56:03,340 --> 06:56:09,220
we did a high level look at to see if this location would even be feasible for park and ride and stop.

3735
06:56:09,400 --> 06:56:17,080
Knowing that there's a lot of other analysis and community input that would go into this prior to any movement on this process.

3736
06:56:17,080 --> 06:56:47,060
So we hired a procurement consultant to and they kind of gave us the baseline what they think of effective surface level park and ride lot would be at this location. I say surface level. So, you know, this would not include, you know, activating the space in other ways, including housing or mixed use development that would require structured parking. We just looked to see if this was feasible, and all so on a high level look, you know, we figured we could fit in about 825 parking stalls with some potential area.

3737
06:56:47,080 --> 06:56:51,540
to expand if that demand was needed to the north section.

3738
06:56:52,140 --> 06:56:57,920
Three bus phays, a shelter, a bus lay-over area with public restroom and information center,

3739
06:56:58,380 --> 06:57:01,200
an operator space, you know, this would probably be the end-of-the-line facility,

3740
06:57:01,400 --> 06:57:04,600
so giving them another space to, you know, take their breaks and whatnot,

3741
06:57:05,740 --> 06:57:08,700
a green space element, and then a city maintenance shed, or everything.

3742
06:57:09,020 --> 06:57:12,280
So, as you can see, it uses up a lot of the Gordo parcel,

3743
06:57:12,920 --> 06:57:16,280
but that we do think that it would be feasible from just a very baseline,

3744
06:57:16,280 --> 06:57:20,060
and could we fit a park and ride lot in here next slide?

3745
06:57:21,100 --> 06:57:23,320
And so once we established, okay, what kind of

3746
06:57:23,320 --> 06:57:26,260
are the initial parameters of the park and ride study we wanted

3747
06:57:26,260 --> 06:57:28,900
to see, like, okay, what would it meet from almost

3748
06:57:28,900 --> 06:57:31,900
a back of the napkin level environmental analysis?

3749
06:57:32,420 --> 06:57:35,280
So we looked at right away soil, environmental,

3750
06:57:36,160 --> 06:57:40,380
such as protected species, both animal and plant,

3751
06:57:40,900 --> 06:57:44,960
traffic impacts, utilities, topography, and the overall size.

3752
06:57:44,960 --> 06:57:49,940
And we found, you know, from this initial look that none of these rows to the criteria,

3753
06:57:50,200 --> 06:57:53,420
there would be a significant enough fatal flaw that this was impossible.

3754
06:57:53,960 --> 06:57:54,880
So could we do it?

3755
06:57:54,940 --> 06:57:56,180
Yes, should we do it?

3756
06:57:56,400 --> 06:57:58,120
That's still something we need to evaluate.

3757
06:57:59,200 --> 06:58:01,180
The rough estimate came back at about 30,

3758
06:58:01,420 --> 06:58:04,500
32 million dollars in 2006 money.

3759
06:58:04,740 --> 06:58:08,070
A lot of this was a contingency for increased construction costs.

3760
06:58:08,980 --> 06:58:12,860
Some of the biggest cost to this was the soil remediation.

3761
06:58:12,860 --> 06:58:19,240
And then the other big big cost of this was just basically flattening the surface enough to make it suitable for a parking right lot.

3762
06:58:19,560 --> 06:58:25,200
Well, it's not, you know, a huge mountain. There's enough topography right now that it is pretty difficult to build just a flat.

3763
06:58:25,440 --> 06:58:35,400
So those were probably the two biggest price price points to this project. And then, you know, the other stuff was pretty expensive as well, including the bus shelter and the charging stations.

3764
06:58:35,840 --> 06:58:40,720
Um, things that we wanted to be very clear that this study did not include, included,

3765
06:58:40,760 --> 06:58:44,420
put in death pedestrian connectivity and safety, aesthetics and wayfinding.

3766
06:58:44,440 --> 06:58:49,220
We're not part of this as well as planning and what current restrictions would be on this land.

3767
06:58:49,840 --> 06:58:53,560
We, you know, we kind of took the approach to like if it was really determined that this was the

3768
06:58:53,560 --> 06:58:56,320
way we wanted to move forward, we could, we could overcome those obstacles.

3769
06:58:57,320 --> 06:59:01,800
Um, so there are major, you know, power lines running through there as we talked about before

3770
06:59:01,800 --> 06:59:04,020
and sewers kind of runs along 248.

3771
06:59:04,380 --> 06:59:05,960
And so those some of those things are maybe not

3772
06:59:05,960 --> 06:59:08,220
as significantly large hurdles

3773
06:59:08,220 --> 06:59:10,920
as some of the soil and topography would be.

3774
06:59:11,340 --> 06:59:14,080
And then I touched on this, but we definitely

3775
06:59:14,080 --> 06:59:16,680
did not go to aesthetics, public perception,

3776
06:59:17,220 --> 06:59:18,060
and zoning for this.

3777
06:59:18,200 --> 06:59:20,440
We recognize that those are very critical elements

3778
06:59:20,440 --> 06:59:23,160
to making this an attractive solution.

3779
06:59:24,000 --> 06:59:27,860
But we did not dive into them just seeing like I mentioned

3780
06:59:27,860 --> 06:59:29,420
before is this possible at all.

3781
06:59:29,420 --> 06:59:32,220
So I'm

3782
06:59:35,290 --> 06:59:38,830
expanding on the potential of future use of the site, of course,

3783
06:59:38,910 --> 06:59:43,950
a surface parking would provide a significant number of parking stalls.

3784
06:59:45,130 --> 06:59:48,690
There are other expressions that you could potentially incentivize on the site,

3785
06:59:48,850 --> 06:59:51,170
which would involve things like structured parking,

3786
06:59:51,250 --> 06:59:53,410
mixed use, housing and commercial.

3787
06:59:54,170 --> 06:59:59,150
And we believe that this is a potentially maximizes the value of the land area,

3788
06:59:59,470 --> 06:59:59,910
sort of the same.

3789
07:00:00,000 --> 07:00:12,720
Funds I was speaking about this morning, but based on an initial sort of financial performa, feasibility analysis from myself, you could fit a thousand structured parking stalls, the number close to that.

3790
07:00:14,120 --> 07:00:20,940
190 to 200 housing units, and with most of those housing units within our affordable definition,

3791
07:00:21,800 --> 07:00:26,980
plus 50 to 70,000 square feet of commercial. And when I say that, I'm kind of including the

3792
07:00:26,980 --> 07:00:32,100
transit facility in that number, but you would also have potential warehouse or maintenance space

3793
07:00:32,100 --> 07:00:38,600
and or commercial business space and amenities for residents. So this option is significantly more

3794
07:00:38,600 --> 07:00:45,380
intensive from a work from both a cap, you know, from a capital and work front, it would require

3795
07:00:45,380 --> 07:00:52,180
more excavation, but by reducing the overall geographic footprint of the parking area, you could

3796
07:00:52,180 --> 07:00:57,920
provide space for housing to come in. The housing assets, the housing and commercial assets

3797
07:00:57,920 --> 07:01:04,500
themselves are what incentivizes developers to produce the parking as well. So, we're talking about

3798
07:01:04,500 --> 07:01:12,620
not a $31 million project at this stage, but $120 million project. But based on its financial

3799
07:01:12,620 --> 07:01:18,340
performance, I think you would be, you could readily find investors that would like to

3800
07:01:18,340 --> 07:01:23,820
entertain an option like this. So the Proforma under the conditions that I've specified,

3801
07:01:24,500 --> 07:01:34,480
projects of 5% cap rate and 7% return on equity, I know that's a little bit

3802
07:01:34,480 --> 07:01:41,460
today's interest rates. So that's a significant piece of making it feasible. And then continuing

3803
07:01:41,460 --> 07:01:48,360
on, I think I had one more slide. Just to review some statistics with you, I'm not going to read

3804
07:01:48,360 --> 07:01:55,380
all of it, but we've consistently applied tests to see if affordable housing projects are feasible in

3805
07:01:55,380 --> 07:02:00,380
our community. And the general trend, of course, is the more land you have available, the more

3806
07:02:00,380 --> 07:02:07,140
of all the project is and this certainly surpasses the minimum tests that we've applied for

3807
07:02:07,140 --> 07:02:13,320
our affordable housing projects in looking to public private partnerships. So when you're talking

3808
07:02:13,320 --> 07:02:20,060
about a 5% percent cap rate and 7% return on equity, if you're willing to incentivize it,

3809
07:02:20,220 --> 07:02:25,460
I think the money will come find you to produce the asset instead of you having to spend the money directly.

3810
07:02:30,970 --> 07:02:35,870
So, two slides here, so again, Heinrich Dieters, trails and open space and nature.

3811
07:02:36,290 --> 07:02:41,790
The one on the right, as I discussed earlier, you do have some properties that are restricted

3812
07:02:41,790 --> 07:02:49,030
to do the funding. Well, these properties have been held by the city for a long time. I think

3813
07:02:49,030 --> 07:02:53,090
it's worth noting that another access to the Ram Valley open space is not in the back of the

3814
07:02:53,090 --> 07:02:56,790
residential area, it's probably a good idea that we should consider associated with that.

3815
07:02:56,790 --> 07:03:00,550
And then I'd like to ask Troy to come up and talk a little bit about the public work stuff.

3816
07:03:02,070 --> 07:03:09,270
So Troy daily, public works departments currently, we are using one acre of ground for our materials recycling.

3817
07:03:10,810 --> 07:03:18,390
Asphalt gets recycled, concrete gets recycled clean fill and of course, just wet wet stuff from water breaks stuff like that.

3818
07:03:18,390 --> 07:03:26,590
So we're in and out here on a daily basis multiple times a day. In fact, our sweeper is in and out all day long. And if we've got a project going we're

3819
07:03:26,790 --> 07:03:31,510
we're in and out there and I just I want to emphasize the importance of this if we

3820
07:03:31,510 --> 07:03:35,830
was to take something like this and move out you know farther away it's definitely

3821
07:03:35,830 --> 07:03:41,550
we'll have some impact so I'm hopeful that we can find an alternative use if we're going

3822
07:03:41,550 --> 07:03:47,530
to relocate this that's close by that we're able to continue to use with efficiency.

3823
07:03:56,290 --> 07:03:59,470
There's been a lot of information at you I'm going to throw just a little bit more.

3824
07:04:00,230 --> 07:04:04,450
So obviously we've got some work to do here we've been deciding exactly what's going to happen

3825
07:04:04,450 --> 07:04:08,610
I just want to spend some time on what the process would be after we make a determination.

3826
07:04:09,010 --> 07:04:14,290
So we know in 24 we're going to be removing soils and getting that erosion stabilization

3827
07:04:14,290 --> 07:04:19,450
put in place concurrently we could start doing outreach for the community community engagement

3828
07:04:19,450 --> 07:04:23,630
process really start deciding and determining what do we want on this site do we want

3829
07:04:24,650 --> 07:04:29,930
multi use family do we want park and ride only whatever we end up deciding and then there will

3830
07:04:29,930 --> 07:04:34,430
be a process after that so I kind of that could happen concurrently in 24 and then we have

3831
07:04:34,430 --> 07:04:35,490
That's some things to do.

3832
07:04:35,610 --> 07:04:40,210
Heinrich just touched base if we have to do some rezoning of some of the land uses that are currently.

3833
07:04:40,610 --> 07:04:42,250
That's a process in time as well.

3834
07:04:43,090 --> 07:04:47,330
So that would be, that could be done concurrently, I think, with a few of the things that we

3835
07:04:47,330 --> 07:04:52,590
have listed up here, but usually if we have to do a CUP or a rezoning process, we're looking

3836
07:04:52,590 --> 07:04:59,650
at eight to 12 month process on that potentially depending on the concerns.

3837
07:05:00,000 --> 07:05:15,340
We might have. And then after that, let me get a, you know, determine what is made, what we're going to do, we then get the consultant onboard to do the preliminary engineering site development utilities and all the cost lessons we would need to do, making sure we have the funding to address that and then get the construction documents.

3838
07:05:15,980 --> 07:05:28,800
So I think very aggressively schedule would be starting this, we could get this done in 26, I think that start the work, excuse me, complete the work in 26, I think that's very aggressive to do that.

3839
07:05:28,800 --> 07:05:37,580
I think realistically we would be looking at be all the complete this by 27. I think would be more realistic opportunity for us, but

3840
07:05:37,580 --> 07:05:39,520
With that I believe I turn over to Matt

3841
07:05:40,660 --> 07:05:42,500
to finalize forces that correct

3842
07:05:45,580 --> 07:05:46,620
He's ready

3843
07:05:56,250 --> 07:05:58,370
Matt that is sitting manager

3844
07:05:58,370 --> 07:06:05,270
I guess are there any other questions? I mean my task was to sort of try to wrap things up

3845
07:06:05,270 --> 07:06:12,790
And I think more of the story to oversimplify is you asked us to do a fatal flaw, feasibility

3846
07:06:12,790 --> 07:06:13,290
analysis.

3847
07:06:14,170 --> 07:06:17,530
We've conducted that throughout the variety of professionals in our organization.

3848
07:06:19,570 --> 07:06:23,110
Also as we've learned over time, this is a really sensitive piece of land.

3849
07:06:23,270 --> 07:06:24,430
It's on our entry corridor.

3850
07:06:25,090 --> 07:06:30,350
We had a previous process, people were incredibly passionate about what we were doing out there.

3851
07:06:30,710 --> 07:06:35,110
And so we want to be extra deliberative, very, very methodical in our approach, not step

3852
07:06:35,110 --> 07:06:41,390
outside the lines that Council authorizes can currently, you know, we have a demand letter and we

3853
07:06:41,390 --> 07:06:44,950
want to remediate the soils out there. And so whether we like it or not, we're going to have

3854
07:06:44,950 --> 07:06:51,390
some heavy equipment, heavy duty equipment going through a soil remediation process. And it's a little

3855
07:06:51,390 --> 07:06:55,330
bit similar to my previous comments today sort of, wow, we're out there and while we're doing this

3856
07:06:55,330 --> 07:07:00,830
work, other types of community benefits that you may want to resolve or overlay on this land.

3857
07:07:00,830 --> 07:07:11,330
If so, if that is under consideration, what's the type of community outreach process or otherwise that you would want us to engage and if you wanted to take advantage of when that land is disturbed?

3858
07:07:12,170 --> 07:07:15,750
So I have a question that came up from our.

3859
07:07:15,750 --> 07:07:24,310
the soil portion of the conversation over the last four years we've heard numbers from

3860
07:07:25,130 --> 07:07:34,830
$20 million to remediate that soil to three today. All kinds of different reasons for those

3861
07:07:34,830 --> 07:07:41,130
differences, whether it's the type of dump trucks we use, how they're covered, how it's wet,

3862
07:07:41,130 --> 07:07:49,030
how it's capped in the interim, whether it's capped every height or we've heard so many different

3863
07:07:49,030 --> 07:07:55,270
things where it's going all the way to Tuella if it's going to rock port. I'd like to understand

3864
07:07:55,270 --> 07:08:01,670
a little better. How much solar are we remediating? Is our demand letter for just what we put there?

3865
07:08:02,050 --> 07:08:07,830
Or is it for everything that's on that site? Is there extra there? Is that 3 million? Is that 3 million?

3866
07:08:07,830 --> 07:08:13,470
real because if that 3 million is real, let's get to work, right? I mean, we were, we were

3867
07:08:13,470 --> 07:08:19,190
under the impression for a number of years it was 15 minimum and maybe that's conflating a

3868
07:08:19,190 --> 07:08:25,890
couple of different zones, which fine. That said, it seems more affordable now than it ever has

3869
07:08:25,890 --> 07:08:31,990
before. And so, and I know we had a recent update about that, but I would like to dig into that,

3870
07:08:32,030 --> 07:08:37,650
based on home stake, it sounds like that's informed us quite a bit. This is going to be a part of our

3871
07:08:37,830 --> 07:08:41,810
the man's a park, we have the immediate soil there as well.

3872
07:08:42,170 --> 07:08:52,110
So all of these conversations around how do we improve the value of the land that we hold and make it ready for its highest and best use going forward?

3873
07:08:52,830 --> 07:08:58,030
What's the total cost of all of that? How do we get our arms wrapped around that?

3874
07:08:58,550 --> 07:09:06,170
Because I think that we've all indicated that we want to get the highest and best use out of any piece of property that we own

3875
07:09:06,170 --> 07:09:12,370
because it's so hard to come by, but I feel like we have so many little nuances and we break

3876
07:09:12,370 --> 07:09:16,850
these things down into small boxes. I'd like to get a good idea of what's it going to

3877
07:09:16,850 --> 07:09:24,090
cost to get all of our all of these pieces organized so that we can have a prioritization list

3878
07:09:24,090 --> 07:09:30,510
for our next council to make clean decisions on because we have circled this drain so many times,

3879
07:09:30,850 --> 07:09:35,950
and I would hate for our next council to have to go through this again without a list that we can

3880
07:09:35,950 --> 07:09:39,010
So start checking boxes off of.

3881
07:09:41,190 --> 07:09:42,250
Here's a question.

3882
07:09:43,470 --> 07:09:48,350
So in this might go a little more to Pineric and try.

3883
07:09:48,810 --> 07:09:51,250
So in the Recreation and Public Works use,

3884
07:09:51,470 --> 07:09:59,950
is it possible to do those two uses and still do the mixed use or to do the other.

3885
07:10:00,660 --> 07:10:06,860
The flat option. It's not flat. What's the word? Surface, thank you. Could those options be combined?

3886
07:10:08,820 --> 07:10:15,100
I don't think we're probably ahead of the game on that one, answering that. I think, you know, overall, we probably need to understand where council is.

3887
07:10:15,360 --> 07:10:25,840
If they do want to put them together, you know, I think the direction that staff is seeking if I can speak is where to move forward with our best efforts. If you want to include.

3888
07:10:25,840 --> 07:10:44,960
make sure that the public works facilities are included in that, as well as the trailhead, as well as, you know, a parking ride, then we'll come back with all that so I wasn't sure determined I think is the best answer because it I wasn't sure when I was reading this that it was like one of these three options that's not what you're leaning to.

3889
07:10:45,500 --> 07:10:49,680
I think the exercise was one part council asked to come back with the parking ride.

3890
07:10:49,680 --> 07:10:54,820
The second part is recognizing that there are some of the parcels that are restricted from a funding source,

3891
07:10:55,040 --> 07:11:00,220
and so you could provide a community benefit on those parcels as the consistent with that funding.

3892
07:11:00,780 --> 07:11:07,080
And then lastly, there is an existing use that's very important to our public works we need to recognize.

3893
07:11:07,960 --> 07:11:08,940
Do you see the clarification?

3894
07:11:17,100 --> 07:11:21,960
So I think we have, we've had some money set aside for soils repository for a long

3895
07:11:21,960 --> 07:11:22,100
time.

3896
07:11:22,320 --> 07:11:26,140
Is that like 3.8 something million or what is it 3 millionish?

3897
07:11:26,760 --> 07:11:28,360
It's just over 4 million.

3898
07:11:28,740 --> 07:11:29,620
Okay, just over 4 million.

3899
07:11:29,780 --> 07:11:35,660
So that's been there for, but not a soil repository, but for soil remediation.

3900
07:11:37,400 --> 07:11:42,200
Okay, and like over the years we've talked about different things from opening the soils

3901
07:11:42,200 --> 07:11:50,840
repository that would take soil from the homes from the five acre site. And I think when we talked

3902
07:11:50,840 --> 07:11:54,940
about that, we were talking about it saving like $20 million, because if we have to clear all

3903
07:11:54,940 --> 07:11:58,660
the soil from that area and ship it off the place, that would have been like $20 million. And it would have

3904
07:11:58,660 --> 07:12:05,840
been cheaper to have soils repository in the Gordo parcel, and that would have saved us a lot of

3905
07:12:05,840 --> 07:12:10,520
money. And then after that kind of fell through, it was, well, we can still take the soil

3906
07:12:11,140 --> 07:12:18,380
on-site and create a soil repository and that would still save us money, it would save us from having to

3907
07:12:18,380 --> 07:12:26,460
haul away the soil there and we could cap it and do that development on top of it.

3908
07:12:26,760 --> 07:12:33,660
But now we're saying it's better to take that soil and haul it away. So if we utilize all that money

3909
07:12:33,660 --> 07:12:39,520
for soils remediation, that's essentially all the money we have set aside for soils remediation

3910
07:12:39,520 --> 07:12:49,020
right there right? Not exactly, so we have we have 4 million set aside for Gordo specifically

3911
07:12:49,760 --> 07:12:56,360
in a capital fund. And, and Ryan, if you could, Mayor, if I can, do you want to just talk

3912
07:12:56,360 --> 07:13:03,160
a one more time and cover, you know, your estimation of the soil that's on that facility that

3913
07:13:03,160 --> 07:13:06,440
needs to be removed and the soil that is able to stay in place.

3914
07:13:08,220 --> 07:13:12,160
Yeah, so if you want to develop the site, that's the whole point of this environmental

3915
07:13:12,160 --> 07:13:18,320
cleanup program with DEQ is to allow for development to do that risk assessment, to figure

3916
07:13:18,320 --> 07:13:23,920
out exactly what you could, it could keep on site or what you would have to haul off in part

3917
07:13:23,920 --> 07:13:26,960
of doing that process and through our sampling efforts.

3918
07:13:27,540 --> 07:13:31,420
The risk assessment showed that if you want to do commercial or residential on this property,

3919
07:13:31,420 --> 07:13:38,140
That soil needs to be removed, it's not compatible with a commercial or residential development.

3920
07:13:38,820 --> 07:13:45,320
If the site were to be kept completely free of development, there's a possibility that we could cap it on site.

3921
07:13:46,080 --> 07:13:48,880
I would have to work out those details with DQ.

3922
07:13:49,440 --> 07:13:58,720
As far as the total soil on site goes, traditionally historically we always considered it to be about 35,000 cubic yards.

3923
07:13:59,780 --> 07:14:06,800
through our sampling efforts. Our consultant came back with 30,000 cubic yards. It's some number

3924
07:14:06,800 --> 07:14:13,240
in between there. I would say for the big soil pile on site. All of that soil would have to be

3925
07:14:13,240 --> 07:14:18,080
removed and using the home state numbers max your spot on that gave us kind of an up-to-date

3926
07:14:18,080 --> 07:14:26,540
number for cost. That's where I came up with a number of 3.2 million if we took our excavation

3927
07:14:26,540 --> 07:14:31,660
contractor that we used in our disposal contract, that we use on homesake and we dumped it on

3928
07:14:31,660 --> 07:14:37,740
Gordo, then that cost would be $3.2 million for remove all 35,000 cubic yards.

3929
07:14:38,200 --> 07:14:43,600
Now the variation up to 4 million would be determined by the excavation contracts that we got back

3930
07:14:44,320 --> 07:14:50,700
and ultimately where to disposal would end up. But if you want to develop, which is the main mechanism

3931
07:14:50,700 --> 07:14:56,560
for this environmental cleanup program. That soil has to go. It's not possible to

3932
07:14:56,560 --> 07:14:59,800
cap it on site for an agent. Just to put a fine point on that, though.

3933
07:15:00,000 --> 07:15:06,720
If we, if we develop it, but we're just developing it as a parking ride with, I mean, that doesn't

3934
07:15:06,720 --> 07:15:12,620
place and there's public offices, there's, there's the bus storage, I mean, does that still require

3935
07:15:12,620 --> 07:15:15,920
us to remediate the soil, or is that effectively just capping it in place with us?

3936
07:15:15,940 --> 07:15:21,340
Right, because it's what you do. I mean, in prospector, they say, if you move it off site, you

3937
07:15:21,340 --> 07:15:25,800
got to take it all the way to Twillow, but if you want to bury it under your driveway, you can

3938
07:15:25,800 --> 07:15:28,520
do that. So how does that impact?

3939
07:15:30,000 --> 07:15:35,220
how we deal with the soil on side out there because that might influence some of the decisions

3940
07:15:35,220 --> 07:15:40,440
in terms of how we use the site. I can't predict the future. I mean, highest and best

3941
07:15:40,440 --> 07:15:45,700
use is going to have some dollar amount associated with it. So I'm curious, Ryan's question is

3942
07:15:46,740 --> 07:15:52,480
exactly right? So when you looked at the risk assessment, we evaluated kind of three categories

3943
07:15:52,480 --> 07:15:58,820
of individuals. There were outdoor workers. So think about construction people building that

3944
07:15:58,820 --> 07:16:04,340
work and write indoor workers, so some sort of commercial use in families and that residential

3945
07:16:04,340 --> 07:16:10,540
use. And all three came back with a negative risk assessment to say it's better to move this

3946
07:16:10,540 --> 07:16:18,160
soil, both for the outdoor worker, the indoor worker and family use. That's how we got to the number

3947
07:16:18,160 --> 07:16:23,160
or to the decision to remove all that soil. What if we don't put family, I guess I think our question

3948
07:16:23,160 --> 07:16:26,280
What if we just do it as a parking lot and there's no residential there?

3949
07:16:28,060 --> 07:16:33,000
Yeah, so in their work. So the commercial standards are, you know, it's one standard

3950
07:16:33,760 --> 07:16:38,450
through a variety of uses and in such statutory, it's a statutory number that

3951
07:16:39,240 --> 07:16:45,520
that we played with. So if you wanted to put a parking lot on there, the recommendation from the consultant

3952
07:16:45,520 --> 07:16:50,460
and what DQ would want us to see is us to remove that soil. That's from our property.

3953
07:16:50,460 --> 07:16:55,920
everything. It doesn't matter. Correct it. Now this this program is voluntary. This environment

3954
07:16:55,920 --> 07:17:00,940
is a cleanup program. So at any time we can you know remove ourselves from the process and decide

3955
07:17:00,940 --> 07:17:05,620
what we want to do on that site. But if we want to get that clean bill of health from DEQ you know

3956
07:17:05,620 --> 07:17:10,720
going back to Matt's point about the letter asking us what we're doing. You know this was the best

3957
07:17:10,720 --> 07:17:16,700
way that we saw last fall to try to get through you know appeasing DEQ and also remedying the site

3958
07:17:16,700 --> 07:17:21,900
for some sort of future use. To be fair, this is far more pervite precision. I would argue

3959
07:17:21,900 --> 07:17:26,440
them, then we've had before. We've been talking about this and this is a lot of the work that

3960
07:17:26,440 --> 07:17:30,140
I mean, Ryan's making it look easy, but this has been months of work, soil testing,

3961
07:17:30,420 --> 07:17:34,940
working with consultants, doing depth probes and whatnot. So this is far more precision than we've

3962
07:17:34,940 --> 07:17:36,060
had before in this conversation.

3963
07:17:39,320 --> 07:17:43,460
So I guess we go back to a couple different things we've already

3964
07:17:43,460 --> 07:17:50,360
talked about today. And we'll start with our all-star here with Soros remediation. Yeah, and give

3965
07:17:50,360 --> 07:17:56,600
that guy a raise. I mean, this is brilliant work. If we do anything there, we need to remediate it.

3966
07:17:56,640 --> 07:18:04,120
We're at a land. We should do something and an open parcel like that. So yeah, I had supported.

3967
07:18:05,180 --> 07:18:11,520
Back to an earlier point, what problem are we trying to solve with this? And that drives the answer

3968
07:18:11,520 --> 07:18:18,200
on the mixed use development right. I feel like we're back in that zone of blue sky,

3969
07:18:18,200 --> 07:18:23,000
hey council, what do you want to do there? The world's your oyster and I don't think that's the right

3970
07:18:23,000 --> 07:18:31,600
place for us to be operating. I'd much prefer to see that again if it's from staff or consultants

3971
07:18:31,600 --> 07:18:38,200
or however this comes to council. Here are some different concepts mixing those uses right when we

3972
07:18:38,200 --> 07:18:45,120
public works. I'm not sure if that means we're going to recover the property here in town

3973
07:18:45,120 --> 07:18:50,060
and everything's going to move out there or if we're saying it's an accessory use that's in addition

3974
07:18:50,060 --> 07:18:55,500
to that or I mean it's just there's nothing there's not enough here to react to I feel like

3975
07:18:56,140 --> 07:19:02,320
but I do think it's going down the right path. I just don't feel comfortable answering the first

3976
07:19:02,320 --> 07:19:07,820
question without more context and understanding more constraints and knowing what the options

3977
07:19:07,820 --> 07:19:13,680
truly are. The initial financial analysis looks good so it's enough to me to say yeah let's go

3978
07:19:13,680 --> 07:19:22,400
down that path but I can't get more specific than that. What about the rest of you? I will just say

3979
07:19:22,400 --> 07:19:28,500
I want to see parking there. Whatever, whatever option that comes in it I do want to see a parking

3980
07:19:28,500 --> 07:19:30,240
right in some sort of capacity.

3981
07:19:34,090 --> 07:19:39,370
I think it's tricky because I think to the point of creating affordable housing but then

3982
07:19:39,370 --> 07:19:44,110
creating commercial space it really depends on what sort of commercial spaces we're creating

3983
07:19:44,110 --> 07:19:46,870
and what that whole area looks like kind of to Jeremy's point.

3984
07:19:47,070 --> 07:19:50,250
One of our issues that we've talked about in the past is that every time you create additional

3985
07:19:50,250 --> 07:19:52,230
commercial spaces you create additional jobs.

3986
07:19:52,830 --> 07:19:56,550
And then hence all the affordable housing that you're creating is

3987
07:19:56,550 --> 07:19:59,730
It's you're you're creating

3988
07:20:00,000 --> 07:20:26,140
Additional issues, is you tried to resolve the issues. So I think having a little bit, having it fleshed out a little bit more would help, it's exactly what sort of commercial you're looking at is that commercial spaces that support services that we already have are we creating new services, above and beyond just a bus shelter and public works.

3989
07:20:26,140 --> 07:20:31,320
are we actually creating cafes or something along those lines that are going to need employees

3990
07:20:31,320 --> 07:20:33,980
that then need more affordable housing,

3991
07:20:36,840 --> 07:20:40,060
but yeah, it's funny because in my head it's always been

3992
07:20:40,060 --> 07:20:43,820
kind of minimal just a parking lot and now we're opening new doors and it's like, oh,

3993
07:20:44,100 --> 07:20:50,040
to Jeremy's point, your mind starts to wonder what that really means. What does it all mean?

3994
07:20:50,780 --> 07:20:55,280
Yeah, I didn't answer the last question either around partnerships. So across that off,

3995
07:20:55,280 --> 07:20:58,760
Yes, and that goes back to what problem are we trying to solve?

3996
07:21:00,520 --> 07:21:03,480
You know that the whole concept is what's the park and ride for?

3997
07:21:04,280 --> 07:21:09,680
Are we trying to reduce traffic or we trying to reduce parking in town or we're just trying to be friendly and have people

3998
07:21:10,880 --> 07:21:17,460
To give them easier ways to access town from those who aren't taxpayers. I'm not necessarily anyway

3999
07:21:18,060 --> 07:21:18,500
so

4000
07:21:19,740 --> 07:21:25,260
It's hard to say anything, but yes to that question right now without understanding the benefits of what the mixed you

4001
07:21:25,260 --> 07:21:31,020
options could be. If those benefits of the mixed use options drive benefits for our community

4002
07:21:31,020 --> 07:21:36,320
and our taxpayers though, then absolutely I'd be open to having that conversation around

4003
07:21:36,320 --> 07:21:43,460
city contribution. And when we had talked about the Quinn's Park and Ride, I think you had something

4004
07:21:43,460 --> 07:21:50,640
like $7 million in grants lined up that would essentially cover the cost of creating it. And so

4005
07:21:50,640 --> 07:21:56,580
just a cost of parking lot for $31 million. It's a lot more grants to go after.

4006
07:21:58,580 --> 07:22:04,140
Would there be that same ability if we just went with the basic parking lot to get that same sort of

4007
07:22:04,140 --> 07:22:08,680
grant and then we would absolutely need some partners as well to join us in that, but

4008
07:22:08,680 --> 07:22:10,180
it's a much more expensive project.

4009
07:22:14,160 --> 07:22:17,880
So to speak to both Jeremy and Becca's comments,

4010
07:22:17,880 --> 07:22:46,680
You know, if you are looking for staff to come in with a stronger recommendation, we've been, you know, all of our work, all of our work with our committees, all of our work in the PC forward process has indicated that we need some sort of intercept a lot on 248 so that's our strong recommendation right now without much further study that doesn't mean it can't be mixed use and includes some kind of parking right but the benefit would be as we talked about earlier.

4011
07:22:46,680 --> 07:22:52,760
a very high percentage of the cars in town are coming from outside of town. So if we can

4012
07:22:53,540 --> 07:22:57,960
figure out a way to capture them and provide a really excellent service coming into town,

4013
07:22:58,860 --> 07:23:05,860
perhaps we can significantly reduce the amount of cars that are coming into town and give

4014
07:23:05,860 --> 07:23:11,540
the residents their roads back. I mean that would be the ultimate goal, right?

4015
07:23:12,760 --> 07:23:18,640
And yeah, we've talked about the graphs back how we, you know, Julia's master.

4016
07:23:19,000 --> 07:23:20,540
I get in graphs for projects like this.

4017
07:23:21,300 --> 07:23:22,600
So I have faith.

4018
07:23:24,560 --> 07:23:25,000
I'm not sure.

4019
07:23:25,480 --> 07:23:30,400
What would be possible for you to come back with some ideas of what a mixed use would look like on there.

4020
07:23:32,340 --> 07:23:32,560
Yeah.

4021
07:23:32,920 --> 07:23:42,920
Yeah, just my perspective is I mean, I absolutely think this is the place for some type of

4022
07:23:42,920 --> 07:23:46,780
you know, piece of infrastructure right today that's a park and ride. It's a place that

4023
07:23:46,780 --> 07:23:50,960
within the future be flexible for other things. But today we need a park and ride.

4024
07:23:52,840 --> 07:23:58,720
And the partnership model, clearly we clearly have benefited that, is to the resorts. And

4025
07:23:58,720 --> 07:24:04,560
and so we would need partners in that. Using that partnership with resorts, we can bring another

4026
07:24:04,560 --> 07:24:09,000
in our governmental partners. And we could do something really significant here. So I would

4027
07:24:09,560 --> 07:24:14,900
Try to advance the conversation forward to if you're going to if you're going to do I think it seems like there's

4028
07:24:16,520 --> 07:24:20,880
It seems like a lot of us are on board at that idea. So I try to get to a place where if we're going to do

4029
07:24:22,540 --> 07:24:23,260
parking here

4030
07:24:24,220 --> 07:24:32,500
What else do we pair with it and really focusing analysis on that so the housing piece I think what we've learned over the last two years is is the housing

4031
07:24:32,500 --> 07:24:34,080
We can sort of come for free, right?

4032
07:24:34,280 --> 07:24:39,680
We're going to end up delivering a clean site, and that means the housing is a four

4033
07:24:39,680 --> 07:24:41,240
hours of the profits center for the city.

4034
07:24:41,580 --> 07:24:42,960
So we know we can have it.

4035
07:24:42,960 --> 07:24:44,320
What does that do to the cost of the park?

4036
07:24:44,400 --> 07:24:46,600
Does that mean we have that structured parking, it's not a part of the parking moves

4037
07:24:46,600 --> 07:24:47,080
well expensive.

4038
07:24:47,840 --> 07:24:52,980
So to me that's the analysis, commercial, it seems like purely a conversation about support

4039
07:24:52,980 --> 07:24:53,500
commercial.

4040
07:24:53,920 --> 07:24:56,480
I don't think that's the place where mixed you up, so I don't think we need more commercial

4041
07:24:56,480 --> 07:24:57,060
out there.

4042
07:24:57,580 --> 07:24:59,940
And so how much support commercial do we really need to do?

4043
07:25:00,000 --> 07:25:12,860
Need. You know, when I look at the resorts in the morning, I don't see a lot of commercial happening. We keep talking about coffee on the buses and I'm seeing people standing with skis and poles and they don't coffee in their hand. You know, so how much do we really need.

4044
07:25:14,000 --> 07:25:23,340
So that that's where that's where my mind is. Anyway, we can't this won't be a silver bullet for traffic, but what it does is it does allow us to reduce parking at the resorts.

4045
07:25:23,340 --> 07:25:25,640
It allows us to build that partnership with them.

4046
07:25:25,740 --> 07:25:27,420
It allows us to beef up transit for locals.

4047
07:25:28,220 --> 07:25:30,700
It's sort of, as this is one leg of that three leg of the school.

4048
07:25:31,620 --> 07:25:35,580
So, I mean, I would push forward on the soil to what that is always advancing.

4049
07:25:35,800 --> 07:25:37,040
We know we have to do it. Let's go do it.

4050
07:25:38,960 --> 07:25:39,980
Yep, that's what I see.

4051
07:25:40,300 --> 07:25:42,500
And I agree with Ryan's sentiments.

4052
07:25:42,820 --> 07:25:46,660
I think the one thing I want to make sure the community hears loud and clear is that a benefit

4053
07:25:46,660 --> 07:25:50,480
to the resorts does not mean it's not a benefit to locals, right?

4054
07:25:50,480 --> 07:25:55,580
If we're reducing the required parking for new development, we're reducing parking in town,

4055
07:25:56,440 --> 07:26:03,440
this, this is a disruptive, emerging disruptive idea. This is it. This is the thing we've been

4056
07:26:03,440 --> 07:26:09,300
talked about. It's tried and true. We know if you reduce parking spaces, you reduce traffic. So if we

4057
07:26:09,300 --> 07:26:14,260
can get people parking outside of town and then I agree a wholeheartedly, a little support commercial.

4058
07:26:14,380 --> 07:26:19,740
I think what we hear from all of these different partners is there are rival experience matters,

4059
07:26:19,740 --> 07:26:26,930
I think that matters to Park City residents as well, matters to our guests, whoever comes to visit any of our little businesses around town.

4060
07:26:27,600 --> 07:26:32,820
Got a rival experience, making that comfortable, not just an empty parking lot like Richardson Flats,

4061
07:26:32,960 --> 07:26:40,080
which actually worked to my disbelief, worked with the worst possible arrival experience, right?

4062
07:26:40,540 --> 07:26:45,540
So it's not going to take a whole lot. It's not like we need to build Chipotle out there or anything like that.

4063
07:26:45,540 --> 07:26:48,620
But if somebody can potentially fill their car up with gas,

4064
07:26:48,920 --> 07:26:51,440
and grab a cup of coffee for their way out of town,

4065
07:26:52,080 --> 07:26:53,660
that's the right kind of support

4066
07:26:53,660 --> 07:26:56,420
that allows people to come and go with ease

4067
07:26:56,420 --> 07:26:59,080
and then they have to make less exits, less thing

4068
07:26:59,080 --> 07:27:00,780
to just get on the highway and get out of here,

4069
07:27:01,560 --> 07:27:03,060
which my, I can forget what he says.

4070
07:27:03,180 --> 07:27:04,820
We want people to feel like their home

4071
07:27:04,820 --> 07:27:06,040
while we wish they were.

4072
07:27:07,380 --> 07:27:09,500
That's what we're going for here.

4073
07:27:09,700 --> 07:27:11,580
And I think it's a huge opportunity.

4074
07:27:12,880 --> 07:27:14,900
So yeah, Ryan's gone, I think everybody's been

4075
07:27:14,900 --> 07:27:15,900
about the same picture.

4076
07:27:16,220 --> 07:27:17,920
You just sit on something really important there.

4077
07:27:18,080 --> 07:27:18,560
They experience.

4078
07:27:18,840 --> 07:27:20,700
And we don't talk about that enough, right?

4079
07:27:20,920 --> 07:27:22,000
I mean, the experience matters.

4080
07:27:22,040 --> 07:27:24,500
It matters to drive revenues for the city.

4081
07:27:24,500 --> 07:27:26,720
It matters for people wanting to come back to the city.

4082
07:27:26,720 --> 07:27:30,240
It matters for residents who live in city, second home owners, everyone.

4083
07:27:31,400 --> 07:27:33,840
It would be great if when we do get some concepts.

4084
07:27:34,020 --> 07:27:38,260
We talk about the different experiences that those concepts deliver.

4085
07:27:40,000 --> 07:27:41,160
It would get us a long way.

4086
07:27:41,340 --> 07:27:44,700
I mean, I'm just thinking about what the folks said earlier about this airport shuttle.

4087
07:27:44,700 --> 07:27:47,580
And people use it because the experience is good.

4088
07:27:47,580 --> 07:27:49,980
They don't have to get their luggage and then wait for a bus

4089
07:27:49,980 --> 07:27:52,080
and put their luggage on the bus and get on the bus

4090
07:27:52,080 --> 07:27:53,880
and it's just done for them.

4091
07:27:53,880 --> 07:27:56,560
It's easy and that'll drive adoption

4092
07:27:56,560 --> 07:27:59,000
and then this stuff makes a heck of a lot more sense.

4093
07:27:59,360 --> 07:28:03,220
And I just wanted to thank Max for saying gas station.

4094
07:28:03,880 --> 07:28:05,300
I think there's a few things

4095
07:28:05,300 --> 07:28:06,860
and this is totally double as advocate

4096
07:28:06,860 --> 07:28:08,480
and maybe some other areas out there

4097
07:28:08,480 --> 07:28:09,360
will be putting this in.

4098
07:28:09,800 --> 07:28:11,240
But one of the biggest issues out there

4099
07:28:11,240 --> 07:28:15,380
because there's not a grocery store in that vicinity area.

4100
07:28:15,740 --> 07:28:17,780
And so there's a lot of people who come in and out

4101
07:28:17,780 --> 07:28:19,960
of Park City to go to the grocery store.

4102
07:28:20,360 --> 07:28:22,700
And so I just, you know, maybe hide out will put one in,

4103
07:28:22,720 --> 07:28:24,020
maybe they'll put one at Mayflower,

4104
07:28:24,260 --> 07:28:26,080
but I just want us to kind of remember

4105
07:28:26,540 --> 07:28:28,780
that why do people come in and out of town a lot of times

4106
07:28:28,780 --> 07:28:30,000
is to go to the store?

4107
07:28:30,740 --> 07:28:32,220
So, not saying we should put one there,

4108
07:28:32,360 --> 07:28:34,000
but I am saying something we should think about.

4109
07:28:34,100 --> 07:28:37,240
And there's also, if I today need to go get gas

4110
07:28:37,240 --> 07:28:38,880
and I don't wanna go to top stop,

4111
07:28:38,960 --> 07:28:40,600
my next one is gonna be Silver Creek.

4112
07:28:40,600 --> 07:28:51,300
So if I'm going out that way. So I just think we've lost something with not having a gas station in town and I just I miss guests. Can I be ramping this up.

4113
07:28:53,580 --> 07:29:02,660
So I don't really know what I'm going to share was is 1,000 parking spots based on the number of parking spots that will fit in the lot.

4114
07:29:02,660 --> 07:29:07,660
if you just use it all for parking or is it based on some sort of analysis of how many parking spots

4115
07:29:07,660 --> 07:29:14,720
we think we could use to reduce parking at the base areas or based on development coming in around town.

4116
07:29:17,150 --> 07:29:20,330
So this is the second it's based on development and okay.

4117
07:29:27,360 --> 07:29:34,220
Yeah, so to be fair, our analysis made some rational projections about potential parking reductions

4118
07:29:34,220 --> 07:29:39,360
are occurring throughout the community in the next five to 15 years and it's based upon some of those

4119
07:29:39,360 --> 07:29:54,540
projections. Very, very high level. Okay, that's good. I didn't just want to make sure that if we needed more parking spaces than a thousand, there was also a night thought for how you get there, but if doesn't is what we need then shoot for a thousand.

4120
07:29:54,540 --> 07:29:59,920
I think I've heard consensus I'm going ahead and remediating the cycle they're moving forward with Ryan's.

4121
07:30:00,000 --> 07:30:00,640
Plan.

4122
07:30:03,920 --> 07:30:14,060
And then yeah, and that really sure what else. And then I think we heard hopefully we heard some consensus for the ability for us to come back with some ideas and concepts.

4123
07:30:15,020 --> 07:30:18,600
We heard good discussion about benefits to our residents, benefits to our visitors.

4124
07:30:20,060 --> 07:30:25,120
The experience, what type of support amenities would be in there. It's clear we've got this demand letter.

4125
07:30:25,120 --> 07:30:29,940
we are going to be disturbing this Earth. We want to make a meaningful decision, but we have to know

4126
07:30:29,940 --> 07:30:34,120
what problem we're trying to solve or what problems we will help improve some of the challenges

4127
07:30:34,120 --> 07:30:37,720
occurring in town. So hopefully you gave us a little bit of direction that we can lean in a little.

4128
07:30:38,260 --> 07:30:42,520
And when we do that, you know, you're not going to be surprised. It's not staff over each that we're

4129
07:30:42,520 --> 07:30:45,620
preparing this development. What we're just trying to demonstrate some concepts

4130
07:30:45,620 --> 07:30:50,540
while we are dealing with some soils out there at this location. We do know we need a regional

4131
07:30:50,540 --> 07:30:54,580
park and ride out our back door. It is a viable location. It doesn't mean it has to be

4132
07:30:54,580 --> 07:30:57,880
the location, but I've heard that you're willing to continue to consider it and the

4133
07:30:57,880 --> 07:31:05,060
feasibility was a worthwhile endeavor. You got it. Okay. Thank you. Thank all of you for all

4134
07:31:05,060 --> 07:31:14,060
the work you did on this. Thank you. All right. We're good to go. You're a big comfortable. Okay.

4135
07:31:14,960 --> 07:31:20,440
Let's move on. Then if you're joining us online and would like to make a public

4136
07:31:20,440 --> 07:31:31,820
comment. Please go ahead and put your hand up now. If you're here in the chambers and would like to comment on this, please come on up. There's a sign in somewhere here.

4137
07:31:31,820 --> 07:31:59,180
So please come on up and sign in or I can just say sure if you tell us your name and your zip code and we as a song it is thank you and we do limit our public input to three minutes. Okay for this real class. Okay. Thank you. So my name is Catherine Fagan. I'll be more than happy to write that down afterwards. I live in Park Meadows lived here for 17 years.

4138
07:31:59,180 --> 07:32:22,120
This was so interesting. I do have a question as a resident full time. Is there some sort of a parallel or included component of all of this wonderful information for inter city transportation to address the within city transportation needs?

4139
07:32:22,120 --> 07:32:30,140
I heard several comments from the esteemed council members about residents and how we're doing here.

4140
07:32:30,520 --> 07:32:32,100
I don't go to Main Street anymore.

4141
07:32:33,520 --> 07:32:39,320
We need to beef up our internal transportation, lost in town, gas stations.

4142
07:32:40,260 --> 07:32:42,660
It's getting harder and harder to be a resident here.

4143
07:32:43,280 --> 07:32:49,780
And I don't think that the trickle down effect of trying to make it easier for people to come into town

4144
07:32:49,780 --> 07:32:57,260
is going to benefit the people who actually live here. We work here. We use the facilities here.

4145
07:32:58,100 --> 07:33:05,900
We go to the resorts ourselves. We would like to have, I think, a focused improvement

4146
07:33:05,900 --> 07:33:12,040
opportunities to be involved in discussions that will help address that component of the

4147
07:33:12,040 --> 07:33:18,420
grand plan that you're doing for what our in-town local residents can contribute to this,

4148
07:33:18,420 --> 07:33:24,050
what's being envisioned, what's being planned for, and I would love for us to get away from the

4149
07:33:24,480 --> 07:33:32,520
state line of penalizing residents for needing to use their cars like higher costs for parking

4150
07:33:32,520 --> 07:33:40,060
or reducing parking spots when there is no local bus option. When the buses are running at 30

4151
07:33:40,060 --> 07:33:45,000
minute intervals, you can't count on them to get home at 10 o'clock at night after working a shift.

4152
07:33:45,000 --> 07:33:51,580
So I'd love to know for residents could be a part of that process for discussion and I would like to volunteer.

4153
07:33:52,100 --> 07:33:53,000
Thank you.

4154
07:33:56,220 --> 07:33:58,980
Thank you.

4155
07:33:58,980 --> 07:34:00,700
Do you have any hands upon line?

4156
07:34:03,170 --> 07:34:04,770
Anyone else here wishing to comment?

4157
07:34:05,570 --> 07:34:05,960
Come on up.

4158
07:34:19,760 --> 07:34:19,960
All right.

4159
07:34:19,960 --> 07:34:20,700
Well,

4160
07:34:25,180 --> 07:34:32,980
Cynthia Washington, Park City, resident, 84098, so Plainberg resident, I correct myself.

4161
07:34:34,220 --> 07:34:37,280
And I've loved this whole meeting.

4162
07:34:37,540 --> 07:34:45,620
Thank you, Mayor, for such a collaborative effort all the insight today was amazing.

4163
07:34:47,080 --> 07:34:52,200
And as I think about transportation and listening to what I heard,

4164
07:34:53,280 --> 07:34:59,940
I heard of Aspen. I don't know if any of you have been there, but I've been there twice this year once in the

4165
07:35:00,000 --> 07:35:29,740
Enter and once in the spring, as well as Martha's Vineyard. And I bring up these two locations because they're very similar in a fluency and attraction as Park City on Martha's Vineyard. You take a ferry over and there's like a ferry drop off point and all the ubers come pick you up, take you to your hotels and, you know, Colorado, you have the

4166
07:35:29,740 --> 07:35:36,480
transportation system, getting to Aspen in the winter, it's kind of challenging because kind of windy.

4167
07:35:38,240 --> 07:35:57,840
So, I now need to move to my point, which is having the transportation, aligning with airplane accessibility is a genius idea and making that a destination.

4168
07:35:57,840 --> 07:36:11,740
And combining the two, I will highlight us and give us that same Martha's Vineyard drop-off experience with like a safe location where people can come and pick up the ferry guests.

4169
07:36:11,960 --> 07:36:22,960
But instead it's picking up the airport travel guests who are coming into town and we're already establishing those locations with like the transit systems we have in place.

4170
07:36:22,960 --> 07:36:30,220
you know, we just boost them up because now they're hotel pickup spots. And we can make that

4171
07:36:30,220 --> 07:36:37,420
a very attractive experience and an extension of service on both ends of the hotel as well as

4172
07:36:37,420 --> 07:36:45,240
the airline service to mitigate the traffic and the parking issues that we have and encourage more

4173
07:36:45,240 --> 07:36:51,560
fluidity for our residents, our locals and our children. So thank you. Thank you.

4174
07:36:53,160 --> 07:36:54,460
any other comments?

4175
07:37:10,180 --> 07:37:16,960
Thanks, John Grooffield, April 0060 and I wasn't here all the time, but I was listening a whole time.

4176
07:37:17,460 --> 07:37:21,800
It's been a really productive conversation as Angela mentioned. It's just filled with substance.

4177
07:37:22,140 --> 07:37:28,980
So thanks, everybody, for doing it. I realized I've been speaking to Council the wrong way.

4178
07:37:29,180 --> 07:37:35,740
After listening to the lunch session for all these years, I've been bringing bells with me apparently and we've been chasing everyone for all these years.

4179
07:37:35,740 --> 07:37:42,900
And so, and my brevity is, is not very good, and so I'm going to try and work on this, and I'm going to try and work on this thing, so.

4180
07:37:43,200 --> 07:37:47,580
Anyways, so part of it is about telling stories.

4181
07:37:47,820 --> 07:37:50,440
I have a couple of stories here. I'll go through real quick.

4182
07:37:50,740 --> 07:37:56,440
One is the story of my experience on 248 coming home today from dropping off my kid in Pine Brook.

4183
07:37:56,900 --> 07:37:58,660
And it's still a miserable experience.

4184
07:37:59,360 --> 07:38:02,020
And I would offer this quickly, and it's all due respect.

4185
07:38:02,020 --> 07:38:07,120
If you build a parking lot of Gordo, it doesn't solve the backup issue on the 40 Off-Ramp,

4186
07:38:07,560 --> 07:38:11,960
and it doesn't solve anything about the 248 backup issue. It doesn't solve any of those problems.

4187
07:38:14,780 --> 07:38:19,940
That's the reason why it's not the right place. I would like to offer a story, an old one,

4188
07:38:20,040 --> 07:38:26,120
about what Park City used to be. As I mentioned earlier, Park City was the white barn to PC Hill,

4189
07:38:26,400 --> 07:38:30,780
but I remember correctly. The new story is that is Park City is the white barn to Highway 40.

4190
07:38:31,440 --> 07:38:35,580
It includes a bunch of new neighborhoods, Park City Heights where I live, it's going to include

4191
07:38:35,580 --> 07:38:40,000
the film studio, it's going to include the Clark Ranch, and it's going to include

4192
07:38:40,000 --> 07:38:43,820
go to itself, which is a beautiful property, it sounds like people are interested in some

4193
07:38:43,820 --> 07:38:44,480
housing there.

4194
07:38:44,840 --> 07:38:45,700
I'm with you on that.

4195
07:38:45,860 --> 07:38:50,220
It's next to the farm, it's next to the rail trail, it's next to the round valley.

4196
07:38:51,920 --> 07:38:59,300
And I just, in terms of thinking about a story and about a 10-year plan, everyone, you

4197
07:38:59,300 --> 07:38:59,800
don't have to.

4198
07:38:59,800 --> 07:39:04,860
But if you close your eyes and you open them in 10 years, what do you see?

4199
07:39:05,120 --> 07:39:10,380
Would you rather have a thousand, a thousand-car, structured parking, it means it rises up

4200
07:39:10,380 --> 07:39:11,000
into the air.

4201
07:39:11,320 --> 07:39:11,800
I'm not mistaken.

4202
07:39:12,580 --> 07:39:16,380
Or, in the middle of these neighborhoods that are being developed, because they're going to

4203
07:39:16,380 --> 07:39:17,680
look a lot different in 10 years.

4204
07:39:18,100 --> 07:39:21,880
That parking garage would be in the middle of all those neighborhoods, or would you rather

4205
07:39:21,880 --> 07:39:26,920
wake up in 10 years and see a housing development with perhaps 500 affordable housing units

4206
07:39:26,920 --> 07:39:31,460
that you could have for workforce, you could have for municipal needs.

4207
07:39:32,540 --> 07:39:34,900
I would like to offer that, although Gordo scored well,

4208
07:39:35,300 --> 07:39:39,260
the scores are not placed within the context of your own council priorities.

4209
07:39:40,060 --> 07:39:45,160
The highest scoring strategic objective, which we reviewed this morning,

4210
07:39:45,500 --> 07:39:49,040
was building a photo housing through public private relationships.

4211
07:39:49,940 --> 07:39:52,200
Building public parking, scored relatively low.

4212
07:39:52,200 --> 07:39:54,780
is one of the lowest scores in all of the surveys

4213
07:39:55,460 --> 07:39:57,360
that cancel, that cancel gave.

4214
07:39:58,380 --> 07:39:59,920
I agree there is a higher useful goal.

4215
07:40:00,000 --> 07:40:07,260
Row, then just a public parking garage. And I would be interested in seeing what a full housing

4216
07:40:07,260 --> 07:40:11,740
plan would look like on that site because no one's had the opportunity to look at what that

4217
07:40:11,740 --> 07:40:19,740
could look like. And lastly, I would just encourage to consult with the new transportation director

4218
07:40:19,740 --> 07:40:25,720
that has been hired that do super cool. And I met him the other day and I think it would be entirely

4219
07:40:25,720 --> 07:40:31,060
will have that gentleman give his two cents on some of these ideas. So thank you very much.

4220
07:40:31,200 --> 07:40:33,740
She's been a lot really interesting. I've learned a lot today.

4221
07:40:34,200 --> 07:40:37,020
Thanks, John. Do we have any hands up online?

4222
07:40:40,290 --> 07:40:40,750
Hello, Ed.

4223
07:40:45,110 --> 07:40:50,230
There we go. I think I'm unmuted there. I think I'm kind of a little mayor as usually great

4224
07:40:50,230 --> 07:40:56,210
just as I don't want to get into any details about what to go on, go to or not. I think that's

4225
07:40:56,210 --> 07:41:00,470
discussion that we're going to have at some point in the future, but I applaud the fact

4226
07:41:01,090 --> 07:41:05,810
that you kind of all day long, you're taking the bull by the horns, you're looking at these

4227
07:41:05,810 --> 07:41:08,530
things, you're talking together,

4228
07:41:10,570 --> 07:41:13,890
the staff is presenting great stuff, whether it's the

4229
07:41:13,890 --> 07:41:21,150
power station or the Main Street infrastructure or Bordeaux, I mean, we're doing stuff and

4230
07:41:21,150 --> 07:41:27,710
I'm very proud that you guys are just finally going, all right, let's get stuff done and

4231
07:41:28,590 --> 07:41:33,610
this stuff that has to be done anyway. So I'm glad we're doing it. We'll talk about the

4232
07:41:33,610 --> 07:41:39,650
Gordo and I hope Main Street can discuss what they want to be in the future and we can build

4233
07:41:39,650 --> 07:41:46,810
infrastructure on that. But in general it's been as usual very enjoyable to listen to and

4234
07:41:46,810 --> 07:41:54,810
I'll just be in there for one of those days, but I'm listening all day, so keep up the good work and let's do this.

4235
07:41:55,770 --> 07:41:56,150
Thanks, Ed.

4236
07:41:59,610 --> 07:42:01,770
And then we'll welcome back.

4237
07:42:01,910 --> 07:42:03,650
Do you need my sign in again when I'm done?

4238
07:42:07,430 --> 07:42:08,010
Thanks.

4239
07:42:08,310 --> 07:42:11,170
Hi, Angela, Muscada, again, 8406.

4240
07:42:12,490 --> 07:42:15,250
A couple of things with respect to Gordo.

4241
07:42:15,250 --> 07:42:23,110
So, I appreciate, again, that staff did a ton of work that's evident and thanks for the

4242
07:42:23,110 --> 07:42:32,070
clear stand on the fact that the soils need to be removed, not merely kept, given a number of uses, including office, or even outdoor work.

4243
07:42:33,030 --> 07:42:34,690
But I have to disagree with you, Max.

4244
07:42:35,090 --> 07:42:43,590
I think while it's maybe disruptive, and that's in line with John Greenfield's comments, putting something like a parking structure, or a parking lot,

4245
07:42:44,730 --> 07:42:50,190
amidst other functional development and potentially more neighborhoods, I don't think it's emerging.

4246
07:42:50,590 --> 07:42:56,230
I think it's actually super dated, and I can't remember if it was a U-tana or U-beca earlier this morning,

4247
07:42:56,690 --> 07:43:01,150
but one of you said that everybody was really kind of an agreement that we don't need anymore

4248
07:43:01,150 --> 07:43:06,830
parking in town. That's in town to me. And that's what I feel is dated.

4249
07:43:07,390 --> 07:43:12,710
Everything is moving in the direction of cars off the roads and I think that our parking problems need

4250
07:43:12,710 --> 07:43:19,170
be solved outside of 8406, so we have Richardson flat, and I think that what really would

4251
07:43:19,170 --> 07:43:24,750
be productive is all of the players that keep getting mentioned, including now Mita, you

4252
07:43:24,750 --> 07:43:30,930
know, XL, getting all of them to the table and talking about a real solution, like a flyover

4253
07:43:30,930 --> 07:43:35,670
from 40, so that we have cars coming directly off the highway, into Richardson flat, into a

4254
07:43:35,670 --> 07:43:42,150
parking ride. There's no way that Gordo is going to solve that backup issue. It's getting so bad,

4255
07:43:42,150 --> 07:43:45,210
that it's now going from 40 to 80.

4256
07:43:45,850 --> 07:43:46,230
It's crazy.

4257
07:43:46,510 --> 07:43:47,910
And it's seven days a week.

4258
07:43:48,370 --> 07:43:50,530
It's from seven to lunch time.

4259
07:43:50,870 --> 07:43:53,150
And you can observe it from the hospital windows.

4260
07:43:54,890 --> 07:43:56,430
So that's what I would like to see happen.

4261
07:43:56,510 --> 07:43:58,130
And then in terms of community engagement,

4262
07:43:58,630 --> 07:44:00,210
if we're looking at something like this,

4263
07:44:00,210 --> 07:44:02,230
and I think we need to look at everything around it

4264
07:44:02,230 --> 07:44:04,750
and make sure the community is aware of any potentials

4265
07:44:04,750 --> 07:44:06,290
that do exist out on Clark Ranch.

4266
07:44:06,830 --> 07:44:09,070
And that's where I think that we could potentially provide

4267
07:44:09,070 --> 07:44:10,330
some community solutions.

4268
07:44:10,330 --> 07:44:15,330
when you talk about grocery stores and just support services, whether it's a dry cleaner,

4269
07:44:15,850 --> 07:44:20,450
it is Park City Heights that both needs and deserves those services. So I would like for

4270
07:44:20,450 --> 07:44:25,890
everybody to be aware of all of the possibilities before we just devote a ton more

4271
07:44:25,890 --> 07:44:31,330
staff time and resources to working out parking on Gordo. Thank you. Thank you.

4272
07:44:32,830 --> 07:44:34,230
Okay, many other comments.

4273
07:44:37,550 --> 07:44:38,670
Any other hands up online?

4274
07:44:40,210 --> 07:44:45,830
Alright, with that we'll close the public input, thanks to everyone that hung in here with us today.

4275
07:44:46,030 --> 07:44:48,210
It's been a long day, but I think it's been a productive day.

4276
07:44:48,910 --> 07:44:54,510
So we do have one consent agenda item, request to approve Park City's four argument,

4277
07:44:55,150 --> 07:44:59,670
for the 30 million general obligation bond on November 21, 2023.

4278
07:45:00,000 --> 07:45:03,260
General municipal election ballot.

4279
07:45:04,040 --> 07:45:09,860
I'd actually like to pull it off if anyone would second it, because I think the language is a little confusing and one of the sentences.

4280
07:45:11,680 --> 07:45:12,700
Sure, I can second.

4281
07:45:12,880 --> 07:45:15,820
We have a motion as second to pull it off the consent agenda.

4282
07:45:16,820 --> 07:45:17,680
All in favor.

4283
07:45:18,160 --> 07:45:18,720
All right.

4284
07:45:18,800 --> 07:45:19,500
Motion carries.

4285
07:45:20,100 --> 07:45:25,860
So the only sentence I wanted to review here, it starts currently the city is committed to replacing the aging

4286
07:45:25,860 --> 07:45:31,360
tools and building a new rec building, so on using funds that were approved during the FY

4287
07:45:31,360 --> 07:45:33,140
24 budget process.

4288
07:45:34,320 --> 07:45:40,260
My reaction reading that is, it's a bit jargony for the general public who may not understand

4289
07:45:40,260 --> 07:45:44,760
that that means it's specifically not part of the bond and funded regardless.

4290
07:45:45,780 --> 07:45:50,500
So, my suggestion would be that we either clarify, you're not voting on these two things

4291
07:45:50,500 --> 07:45:57,400
with this bond, clarify that these two things are funded with other money using a couple more

4292
07:45:57,400 --> 07:46:03,120
words in here. However, it's clarified that this isn't part of the bond, so people don't assume

4293
07:46:03,120 --> 07:46:08,380
that the budget process means that something or doesn't mean that something separate, I guess,

4294
07:46:08,480 --> 07:46:14,550
would be the way to put it. I don't know. How are those feelings? I think there's a lot of confusion about

4295
07:46:14,550 --> 07:46:19,250
that generally. So I think that's a good point if that could be, if that could be clarified,

4296
07:46:19,250 --> 07:46:24,680
I'm not sure if that's how they how to do that but we're just take it out. Yeah.

4297
07:46:24,680 --> 07:46:28,620
What do you guys do today?

4298
07:46:30,800 --> 07:46:32,740
All up to the language here.

4299
07:46:33,160 --> 07:46:40,100
So it sounds like on the on the floor is some type of an amendment or perhaps just deleted all together.

4300
07:46:40,900 --> 07:46:44,600
You know, to be fair, I think it's clear the reason we're trying to throw it in there.

4301
07:46:45,880 --> 07:46:47,800
You know, you made a very generous allocation.

4302
07:46:47,800 --> 07:46:51,000
and you made the commitments community that you're going to do those irrespective of the

4303
07:46:51,000 --> 07:46:54,440
outcome of the bond. And that's the reason we're trying to put it in there. But not at the

4304
07:46:54,440 --> 07:46:57,380
expense of creating confusion. And so we wouldn't want that to occur.

4305
07:47:01,450 --> 07:47:02,230
Well, I don't know if it's equally

4306
07:47:02,230 --> 07:47:07,290
confusing to leave it out because then the folks who know or me or we're basically placing in

4307
07:47:07,290 --> 07:47:09,110
aquatics go what about aquatics.

4308
07:47:11,410 --> 07:47:15,730
They could maybe I don't have a suggestion yet, but

4309
07:47:15,730 --> 07:47:20,630
maybe we might still want to address it. I don't think that's the problem. And then maybe see some areas

4310
07:47:20,630 --> 07:47:26,970
we could put in a couple alreadys and the city has already or, you know, but I'm just on the fly right now,

4311
07:47:27,590 --> 07:47:29,010
Anyhow. Approved.

4312
07:47:29,110 --> 07:47:30,550
Um, already approved.

4313
07:47:30,790 --> 07:47:34,110
Oh, previously approved. Yeah, I don't know about this in general.

4314
07:47:36,170 --> 07:47:40,110
Well, I don't know that everyone that understands the other general funding and we,

4315
07:47:40,190 --> 07:47:42,210
or outside of the bottom door to ask Jeff.

4316
07:47:42,290 --> 07:47:45,330
Yeah, I, I almost go there right, like saying something that,

4317
07:47:46,150 --> 07:47:49,250
maybe it's another sentence after that, saying these two projects will proceed,

4318
07:47:49,250 --> 07:47:51,070
regardless of your vote on this bond.

4319
07:47:52,090 --> 07:47:52,650
Yeah.

4320
07:47:53,010 --> 07:47:53,070
Yeah.

4321
07:47:53,570 --> 07:47:53,830
Yeah.

4322
07:47:56,760 --> 07:47:57,040
Oh.

4323
07:47:59,220 --> 07:48:00,020
Here comes the note.

4324
07:48:03,660 --> 07:48:05,460
You could just tell us, Michelle.

4325
07:48:07,900 --> 07:48:11,320
Like I said, I guess I just don't see the confusion.

4326
07:48:11,540 --> 07:48:12,640
I'll be honest with you.

4327
07:48:16,200 --> 07:48:16,960
Deal with this matter.

4328
07:48:17,160 --> 07:48:17,480
Yeah.

4329
07:48:17,660 --> 07:48:19,040
I really don't honestly.

4330
07:48:20,380 --> 07:48:23,200
I don't think it's confusing to read.

4331
07:48:23,200 --> 07:48:34,260
I really don't. I mean, if you're not going to take it out, then I think as is it says in here twice, that it was, let's see where's this.

4332
07:48:38,120 --> 07:48:46,980
All right. So the city has committed to replacing the aging. I mean, what's confusing about the city has already committed to replacing these things.

4333
07:48:48,360 --> 07:48:52,020
I mean, that's pretty darn clear.

4334
07:48:52,560 --> 07:48:54,620
We've already committed to those things.

4335
07:48:56,020 --> 07:48:59,660
So with the city recorder was kind enough to share is that

4336
07:48:59,660 --> 07:49:02,140
we will have another opportunity on the 28th

4337
07:49:02,140 --> 07:49:04,980
where we can have an additional agenda item.

4338
07:49:05,880 --> 07:49:06,680
So there she is.

4339
07:49:06,820 --> 07:49:08,380
We'll have an additional agenda item.

4340
07:49:08,580 --> 07:49:11,420
So if you wanted to give us direction to see if we can improve

4341
07:49:11,420 --> 07:49:13,520
this language here and provide some additional clarity.

4342
07:49:13,520 --> 07:49:27,640
We could bring that back on the 28th for your consideration, but that would be your drop dead date and so I think you can myself and the team and others are happy to work with a few of you to clear up any confusion here that we can and then we'll have it before the public one more time.

4343
07:49:27,640 --> 07:49:42,100
The option one to maybe not three, but maybe three, but like everybody knows that we've got to make a decision on one of those options, not this like collaborative approach to whether we.

4344
07:49:42,180 --> 07:49:44,820
Yeah, we can't wordsmith this thing at the last minute.

4345
07:49:44,860 --> 07:49:48,220
I really don't think it's unclear as it is as it's written.

4346
07:49:49,120 --> 07:49:52,780
But I'm okay with having it come before us with a couple options.

4347
07:49:52,780 --> 07:49:59,940
Okay, we have a couple of technicalities, so we advertise for people to submit.

4348
07:50:00,000 --> 07:50:08,060
Post statements for the bond or cost statements for the bond and we had one individual submit a request to write a

4349
07:50:08,060 --> 07:50:14,700
post statement. As a city, we are required to also write a post statement. Then the council has to choose

4350
07:50:14,700 --> 07:50:21,500
which post statement they want used, either the city's post statement or the residence post statement. So

4351
07:50:21,500 --> 07:50:30,760
do two dates and timing the city statement that the resident has until tomorrow at 5 p.m. to write the

4352
07:50:30,760 --> 07:50:39,100
post statement. And then after that it has to be given to the con side so that they could

4353
07:50:39,100 --> 07:50:49,960
form a rebuttal. Since we don't have the post statement to decide on that today we've got a

4354
07:50:49,960 --> 07:50:55,000
meantime to fulfill the their requirements by law, we have to give the

4355
07:50:55,000 --> 07:51:00,520
con side both the city statement and the resident statement, since we haven't

4356
07:51:00,520 --> 07:51:05,540
decided which one we're going to be using. So we have to do that, basically Monday

4357
07:51:05,540 --> 07:51:10,880
morning. Sorry to throw a wrench in all of it. Was that as clear as

4358
07:51:10,880 --> 07:51:17,550
mud? Mark, I don't think anything. Well, no, what was she

4359
07:51:17,550 --> 07:51:23,070
is correct. I was just going to remind you all that you could give direction around the

4360
07:51:24,590 --> 07:51:29,350
concerns and then say in a form to be approved by the city manager or something like that

4361
07:51:29,350 --> 07:51:33,970
because this does need to be approved today and then it'll come back to you with what Michelle just

4362
07:51:34,430 --> 07:51:41,330
described. Or you can words myth it. I'd be fine with that personally and I think you hear the

4363
07:51:41,330 --> 07:51:47,330
concern if you think it's real, make a couple changes if you don't don't. Yeah, same. Yeah, I'm good with

4364
07:51:47,330 --> 07:51:47,430
Yeah.

4365
07:51:48,130 --> 07:51:48,730
You good with that.

4366
07:51:49,330 --> 07:51:49,990
Thank you.

4367
07:51:49,990 --> 07:51:50,730
Becca, are you good with that?

4368
07:51:51,210 --> 07:51:52,170
It's all on you, Matt.

4369
07:51:52,350 --> 07:51:52,550
Good job.

4370
07:51:52,850 --> 07:51:53,970
You're on there.

4371
07:51:54,150 --> 07:51:54,610
No big deal.

4372
07:51:55,230 --> 07:51:57,270
We're loaded as it is.

4373
07:51:58,790 --> 07:51:59,430
We know.

4374
07:51:59,930 --> 07:52:00,250
Don't worry.

4375
07:52:00,950 --> 07:52:01,390
Yeah.

4376
07:52:02,610 --> 07:52:02,830
All right.

4377
07:52:02,970 --> 07:52:03,830
That would go ahead with your motion.

4378
07:52:03,830 --> 07:52:04,590
I request.

4379
07:52:05,270 --> 07:52:10,430
I moved to approve the Park Cities for argument for the 30 million general obligation bond

4380
07:52:10,430 --> 07:52:16,990
on November 21, 2023 in a form amended by the city manager as needed for the general

4381
07:52:16,990 --> 07:52:19,130
municipal election bond, silent.

4382
07:52:21,290 --> 07:52:25,080
Motion in a second. All in favor? Motion carries. Thank you.

4383
07:52:27,170 --> 07:52:30,190
We are moving into a closed session.

4384
07:52:33,420 --> 07:52:39,040
We don't need a closed session. We are, you're, we're free. Perfect. Thank you. Everybody for

4385
07:52:39,040 --> 07:52:42,680
all your hard work today. We are adjourned.