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Deputy building official. I also have Jed Briggs, Nate Rockwood, and Rhoda Staffer here to help

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present the discussion regarding fee waivers. Specifically today, we're going to be talking

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about construction and development fees and drilling down on those so that we can focus

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on the discussion and relationship between the fee waiver and the delivery of municipal

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services, specifically regarding the building planning and engineering department. If council

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So would like we can return on another day

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with a larger discussion, including the police services

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and special event fee waivers.

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Staff is going to be coming here today

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for a couple of reasons.

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One is just for a general background discussion

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and to provide information regarding fee waivers

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and the implications of fee waivers

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and considerations to think about

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when approving fee waivers

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that are going to be coming to city council.

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At the end of the day, currently and recommended in the future, City Council is recommended

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to be the ultimate decision-making authority when it comes to fee waivers.

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And so we would just like to make sure that we provide Council with the tools and information

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so that you can consider all the impacts when making those determinations and recommendations

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for fee waivers.

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Construction and development fees are the fees that are collected when there's

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a new development in town.

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The largest fee and the largest revenue related to that are building permit fees including

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plan review fees.

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That's the largest revenue for the building department.

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The fees are calculated in a way to reflect the cost of providing the services that the

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building department provides related to the permit applications that are being submitted.

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So basically what we're looking at is a fee that's calculated with the intent of balancing

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out two things. Revenues and expenditures.

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And the hope is that, as we said, the revenues

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coming into the department are parallel with the expenditures so that at the end of the

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day there's a balance in the department and it's self-sufficient. And that's the intended

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goal. The fees are never intended to be or to generate revenue for the city. That's

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that's not permitted, that's not the intent.

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The fees are really just to be able to accommodate

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and provide the services related to the applications.

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And as you can see here with the balance,

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really we try to maintain that.

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We have,

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can you help me with the slides?

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Can you connect on that one?

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Connect to a separate PowerPoint here.

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We have the PowerPoint slides here,

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which reflect not only that balance,

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but next, go to the next slide please.

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The fees that we have in place right now

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are reflective of a June 2nd amendment

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that we had recommended to City Council

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to change the way that building permit fees are calculated

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and they would actually be calculated now

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as a result of the actual market cost,

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the cost of the value of construction

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that's actually reflective of the work

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being done in Park City versus the old methodology which was to look at the valuation as calculated

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by the national averages per square foot, if you remember that, and the goal there was,

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the goal with that was to, again, make sure that any of the fees that we're collecting

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are actually reflective of the actual cost of construction that we're seeing in town

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versus the national averages because we were finding that we weren't consistent with

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that.

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And if we're going to provide services, they need to be consistent with the actual construction

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that we're seeing.

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We want to maintain that parallel and be reflective of that.

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Building permit fees are very volatile over the long run from year to year.

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With the recession that we saw recently, we very much saw a dip in fluctuation in

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the revenues versus overall expenditures.

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The goal is, again, while we might not make that balance every single year, long-term

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goal and approach is that we will have a parallel in between those two funds the

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revenue and the expenditures. So if you see in this 12-year window the green

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line being the expenditures which stay fairly steady with the revenues

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fluctuating and then again in the five-year window and

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so those are those

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are the construction and development fees related to the building permit

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applications that City Building Department uses for operating costs in their operating budget,

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which pays for the functions and the services related with staff, material supplies, those

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type of expenditures relating to operations. Very separate, but collected at the same time

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are the impact fees. Impact fees are collected for several reasons, including water,

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roadways, public safety, parks and open space. Those fees are also calculated in

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a way to reflect the cost of providing services that the city provides in the

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form of not operating but in capital improvement projects. So when we look at

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something along the lines of a water impact fee, it's very reflective of the

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cost of providing the water service to any kind of new development.

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definitely have an impact on the funding

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for potential capital improvement costs.

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Say for example, we would see any kind of impact

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in a reduction of fees collected

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in a couple of different scenarios

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in a couple of different ways.

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If we were to talk about waiver of water impact fees

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or just a decrease in revenue in water impact fees

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due to fluctuations, we would be looking at the scenario

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of still providing that water service

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to a new development say that had the fees waived the city would still incur

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costs related to that if we're still providing the service and the

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infrastructure the treatment storage supply of that water but what happened

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though is money would have to come from somewhere else and so potential you

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know water fees and those impacts would have to be subsidized elsewhere by

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existing water uses users or another avenue the other potential for a

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reduction in any kind of impact fees would be something similar for parks,

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public safety and roadways.

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If we were to see any kind of reduction in fees and revenue related to those

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impact fees, the impact might look a little bit different.

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We, that would be in the form of capital improvement projects and

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there may be something seen in the change of a level of service if we

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didn't have the fees and the revenue for those.

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it might be in the form of less parks and or less park amenities like park

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benches.

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So the broader discussion what we want to make sure to explain to you

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so that you have all the tools and the information in your tool belt for

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consideration when we talk about constructing development fees the

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relationship with those and the paying for the cost of operating and

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providing services balancing those and then also the impact fees and the

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capital improvement projects that we would like to do.

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So then we get to the topic of,

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so why would we waive fees?

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Why would we want to if they're gonna be paying

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for the cost of services and costs that we're incurring,

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right?

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We have seen scenarios where there's a definite benefit

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and where it may definitely be

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in the best interest of the city.

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And we have fee waivers right now

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and an opportunity to do fee waivers

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that I've come to you recently for different reasons.

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Some of it is for public benefit,

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maybe for a local non-profit for other reasons,

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and or we have critical priorities

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that in order to support those,

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such as affordable housing,

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may warrant fee waivers in order to accommodate those

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and help the momentum of those and to be more successful.

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So when we talk about fee waivers

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and we talk about something such as

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and a critical priority such as affordable housing.

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We have to take into consideration things

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like the Blue Ribbon Commission recommendation

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in spring of 2016 that actually came back

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and they said a recommendation for fee waivers

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not only to the current capacity,

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but in excess of the $5,000

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that's currently allowed per policy.

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Having a critical priority such as affordable housing

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and a potential addition of 800 units,

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goal for the next 10 years.

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We forecasted the numbers and we forecasted

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what the potential collected revenue would be

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related to building permit fees,

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construction and development fees, and impact fees.

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We're talking about a potential of $4.4 million.

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And so when we take all that into consideration,

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how do we balance those?

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And so our opportunity is this.

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We still have the ability,

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and staff is recommending that we maintain the ability for city council to consider

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waiver of impact fees and construction development fees with consideration for not only council

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goals and priorities but also with consideration for operations and capital improvement projects.

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The problem is how we balance those and how we weigh the different interests.

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These current fee waiver practices right now for construction and development fees include

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the ability for us to consider non-profits, which provide a public benefit for any kind

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of youth groups and, like I said, non-profits to a certain amount.

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The city manager has the ability to waive fees up to $5,000, and the council holds

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the ultimate decision-making authority for anything

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in excess of $5,000.

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We asked Rick and the reason why we have that criteria

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for the non-profits and the youth groups,

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specifically called out and marked there,

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is because we would like to discuss that

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a little bit further as far as the criteria

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and future recommendations and what you may want

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to consider in the future in order to make

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a determination on these type of impact fees.

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Any other asterisks with the City Manager and the waiver of up to $5,000 is there because

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we have some leniency there should Council want staff to pursue that.

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There would have to be a code change.

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However, if the Council would like us to do that, we can change the threshold for

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the City Manager to waive fees more or less than $5,000 if you would like to have

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of that decision making authority there

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rather than with the council.

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That's not necessarily recommended by staff at this point

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because of the transparency in these types of decisions

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we're supportive of coming back to council

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and discussing those in a public meeting

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when we're talking about fees in excess of $5,000.

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However, if that's something that the city council

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would like us to look at

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and consider changing the threshold on we can.

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The other item is impact fees.

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So when we talk about impact fees, we already have several mechanisms and ways in which to

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manage impact fees.

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They're all identified in the city code.

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And so if we were to change any of these items, it would have to be a city code change.

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In addition to that, because impact fees are very much regulated by state law and how

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we collect and how we spend them, we only have limited abilities on what we can do

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with impact fees.

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and so offsets, appeals, and independent fee calculations are all allowed within the city

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code right now.

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Astrics right there within the waivers are the affordable housing waivers up to $5,000.

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Right now that's in the city code.

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We can only allow waivers of impact fees for a couple of reasons for affordable housing

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and public facilities. And it's maxed out at $5,000. We do have some ability with a

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code change to change that threshold again for impact fees for specific reasons such

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as affordable housing, if that's something that you would like staff to look into further.

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So with all these in mind, this is what staff is discussed and come to as far as the recommendation.

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Right now, the fee waiver process is fairly simple. There's no application, and other than

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the non-profit and public benefit criteria that we've discussed already, there really

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isn't much of a drill down explanation as to the justification for fee waivers.

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And so staff is recommending a couple of things. One is to make sure that the applicants

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respond to and have some criteria to meet and to justify the waiver.

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Some of those includes not only what's currently in the current policy,

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but also specific council priorities.

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We drill down on affordable housing because we anticipate that to be something

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that is going to be a consistent trigger of development and construction fees.

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if we're looking at adding additional units.

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However, we've included council priorities,

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generally speaking, any kind of services and development

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that contribute to city essential functions,

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city projects, other government entities

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that may be receiving benefits

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from these type of developments.

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And we've expanded that criteria to include many things

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versus the drill down on the public benefit

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in the previous policy.

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And so the goal is this, and staff's commitment is to provide City Council with all of the impacts

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and all the contributing factors when it comes to consideration for fee waivers,

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including what we've talked about when it comes to revenue, operating budgets, capital improvement,

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affordable housing and other city benefits.

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We want to make sure that we provide you with all of that background information

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in that discussion so that when it comes to making those final determinations that you

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have all that knowledge and comfort in making determinations that are appropriate for the

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I'll ask a question, since you paused.

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For affordable housing, what did we, did we

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waive fees for like Park City Heights, affordable housing?

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We have not to date. They've got a request in, but we're holding on to that.

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We've told them that we can't even consider it until we have the pricing.

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And they're on the market. Maybe I'll waive something if they're on the market.

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I'm pretty irritated about that.

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And then I have another, on our own projects, like the ones that are under construction

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right now, the two historic homes, glad to see those guys up on Stilts and getting the

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project going.

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Did we waive our fees on that for ourselves, or do we not even bother charging ourselves,

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or do we waive them, or what?

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We are actually in conversation about the most appropriate thing to do for city projects.

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Given that it is a city project and we would be just moving a budget item,

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waiving the fee here means that we, I mean, waiving this fee means that this,

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it's one budget to another in city projects.

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But it's money though, then would be probably coming out of the RDA.

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And so we would have less affordable housing if we, you know, we might be able to get one more unit out of all the fees that we waive, I don't know.

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Right. Right. And we haven't, I mean, we've waived some of the initial fees, but we're still, we're just getting ready to hit the big fees right now.

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And that decision hasn't been made yet.

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Well,

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you know, I see the benefit in waiving the fees for the affordable housing.

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I see the benefit of waiving the fees for a public benefit.

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We waived the fees for the museum.

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They're raising funds for a new building,

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and that is a, I believe it's a public benefit.

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And we all know we're having more projects on the horizon

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that we can say will either be connected to affordable housing

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or public benefit.

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And

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so can we raise the fees so that we can, what can we do?

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I mean, we're going to want to waive those fees.

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We're going to want to waive those fees

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because these people are raising money for public benefit

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or we're building houses and we're going to want to build as many houses.

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We're going to want to raise those fees.

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But we can't totally, you know, strip the budgets of the departments.

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So like when the special service contracts,

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They have $200,000 that they plan on waiving.

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It's budgeted in.

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And I wonder if that's what we need

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to do for the building department that we have,

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or the other departments.

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You need to have so much money that you're

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planning on budgeting in to those departments

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that you know that the city council is probably

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going to waive it.

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That's what we've done in other departments,

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and such as a special service contract.

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I mean, service contract, not service contract.

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What is the special events?

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Special events, right.

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So we've definitely kicked around that idea

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and we've talked with Diane a little bit about it

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and it's something that I think could be on the table

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and I think Rota kind of hit upon that.

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You could, especially for city projects,

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you're kind of moving money around in that regard.

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Right now. There's still money.

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Yeah, I know.

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It's still money that goes from one project

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potentially that could fund something in the general fund and there's different

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pockets of money for sure it's not just one big pot of money right now we're our

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main focus is really ensuring kind of a more more criteria to look at these

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waivers so we're looking at establishing you know you can see all

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these right here they all the different you know things that are

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really related more to our critical priorities and to our goals but

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also establishing an application process so that we have more of a basis and it's

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more thorough whereas right now it's just hey do we want to weigh fees and your

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council is looking at it as a one-off without considering all of the other

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pieces to it and now we'd have something that's a little more rigorous but in

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terms of having a budget I mean that's definitely something that we can

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look at and that's something that we've pointed out as an alternative back

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Okay, so I have two questions, but they're kind of connected.

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So one is, what is the history of granting fee waivers to nonprofits in Park City?

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I am aware of the two that we've done this year for the Christian Center and for the Park City Museum.

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But is this something that comes up frequently?

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Would it have passed councils?

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How often have they granted fee waivers and impact fees?

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And then the second question is, is if you create an application, does that kind of open the floodgates for people to do it?

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right now they're coming in as kind of one-offs, but if you create an official

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application, does that open a process for more people to both know about it and to

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apply?

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So on the first, we don't have a significant history of waiving fees beyond the two that

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have happened more recently.

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However, we do anticipate several coming down the line that are currently approaching

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planning for future development.

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local non-profits. We have Kimball Arts, the National Ability Center, Peace House, IHC,

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throughout non-profits that are potentially going to be applying for building permit fees

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in the very near future, or building permits.

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And to answer your question about the application, it's a good question, right?

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Because, like, the idea of how will they come, I think the two pieces here would be,

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one is you do want to add some rigor to the process, you know.

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So what if there was this incredibly well-funded foundation

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that maybe a political candidate at the national level had

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and came and wanted a fee waiver

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and you didn't want to grant that?

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City Council would then have more of a basis

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by which to evaluate and to be able to make the choice.

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I don't, none of us are under the delusion

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that you're gonna look and say,

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oh, this beloved non-profit

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who has a long history in our community

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we're not gonna waive their fee, right?

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So it's just, it's simply adding some rigor and structure to the process.

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There's also the question and the value in our form of governance of equity, of equality.

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So if somebody doesn't apply for a fee waiver or non-profit simply because they don't know it was available to them,

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well, that's a fairness issue and we do want to create that level playing field.

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You know, it struck me as I was reading the staff report and then, again, during your

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excellent report today.

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It seems if we're waiving fees, especially for affordable housing, then the cost of that

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affordable housing per square foot isn't going to be reflective of what the true cost

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is.

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Am I right on that?

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Or how do you account for that?

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So, so if we waive whatever, $1,000 in fees, no, I said whatever, however many thousand.

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Now, whatever thousand.

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Yes.

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That's big.

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That's a lot.

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That's a lot of thousands.

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That's a lot of thousands.

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How does that get reflected in the cost of the affordable units?

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Well, we'd have to put it in the chart, you know, that that was waived and still

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put it there so that we can evaluate it.

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It seems like it would have to be in there, but.

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But when you're reporting the cost per square foot of affordable housing, would that be included in there?

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It depends. If it's our own affordable housing and you're talking about our own matrix, we could do it the same way

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where we do the land, where we include it with the fee and without the fee, depending on whether we include

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the cost of the land, whether we just have to buy the land or whether we already have it.

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But it does bring up a bigger point, which I think is another part of this report is

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understanding who, when you talk about the different money, pots of money, who is really

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subsidizing affordable housing when you start doing that.

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When you get into the impact fee side, it really starts to get somewhat complicated

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because one of the largest impact fees is the water impact fee.

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So you say if we were able to waive that for a developer who wants to do affordable

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housing it would make it easier for them to do that.

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The way that impact fees are calculated,

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I don't want to get super bogged down in impact fees,

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but basically from a water standpoint you take a system

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and you say this is the system that's needed

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to provide water to the city.

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As a new development comes in,

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we're charging them for their impact to that system

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and how much money does it cost to make it

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so that their impact is mitigated within that system.

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and we have the same level of service.

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When a fee gets waived for a housing development,

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that impact still happens to that system.

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And so those costs still have to occur.

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There's no fee being charged for it.

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Within the water system, there's only water impact fees

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and water service fees.

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And so if you've waived those impact fees

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but you still have to build whatever that capacity is,

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Because you've shifted that cost onto the water service payers, onto the rate.

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And so you have to ask yourself a question, now water rates and water impact fees are always

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going to be used on water infrastructure.

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But you have to ask yourself a question of by us waiving that fee did we just take

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a portion of affordable housing and subsidize it with water rates.

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and in theory that is what you're doing.

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It's hard to track that,

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and also the question comes up of,

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is that really what you want to be doing with water rates?

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And so while it is different pots of money,

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they do affect things different.

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It gets a little more generalized in the general fund

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because we use general fund money for housing

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and we use general fund money for parks

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and all that sort of thing.

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And so we base the impact fees

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and that new development that we have to do to any of those systems, whether it's water or parks or streets,

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based on the impact fees that came in.

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And so we're always going to program those out.

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If the impact fees didn't come in, you have to ask,

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should we then be transferring more money so that we're not lessening our level of service?

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Or how is it that we're reflecting that?

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And that becomes very difficult on how to track that and how to reflect that.

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None of it violates code. It's just understanding what you're doing and who's subsidizing

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what when you waive these fees.

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But back to my question, if we waive those fees, whatever amount they are, that doesn't

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get added back into when we say this affordable housing was $400 a square foot.

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Is that right?

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Right. Yeah.

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I mean, unless you can artificially say, plus the value of the fees that we waived

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should be included in the statute.

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Which is a more accurate reflection of what it would cost.

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I think Andy was next.

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So I got a couple of questions and a couple of comments.

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But first one is, have we had any deficits due to fee waivers in the building

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department thus far?

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Well, I mean, if you look back at this right here, this kind of shows the deficits

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over time.

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So our expenses are the green line, the revenues are the gray kind of dark line.

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And where was this specific to fee waivers, I would say only, you know, the last ones we've done were the last fiscal year.

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We have way fees for our own building projects, but that's not reflected in here.

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So if there are shortfalls, though, it comes out of the general fund transfers.

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It's not like we cancel the Christmas party for the building department or layoff employees, right?

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So when we have discussions about it, it could impact our level of service at it.

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Those aren't, that isn't necessarily true.

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The General Fund would make up the difference under the current scenario.

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The General Fund always has to make up the difference in this case.

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And so it's really a long-term perspective type of thing.

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And we look back over the last 12 years in terms of when the revenues were really high

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back in 2006 and 2007, that was able to subsidize building, and you can see how building expenses

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went down in FY 11 and FY 12, and that's when we actually did let go some building

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inspectors through attrition mostly, but when we were, you know, facing that recession

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that, yeah, that was a reality that we faced.

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Yeah.

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If I may, I just want to add, because I had the pleasure of going through the Budget

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Results Committee this year. And what it does is it impacts the whole budgeting process.

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If there's a shortfall, which we had one last year, the revenues didn't come in,

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where we anticipated. And what that does is it stretches the general fund for the next year

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and it changes the outlook on what we can or can't fund and how we look at the budget.

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So we do cut back on things like training.

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We potentially don't get to justify vehicles that we believe we need to have our inspectors

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be out there.

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We also did not continue to contract inspectors because we didn't feel the revenues were

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there to justify them.

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So I believe it does impact level service.

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We try to really minimize that and have no one notice it.

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But it does impact the conversations of what we believe we can fund as we go through

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the budgeting process.

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But it's not dollar-for-dollar, so if the, you know, revisions don't come in that

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year, we're not firing people.

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It's more of a, it's taking a long time to make sure.

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I just want to be clear, because I think that's a little bit murky when you say

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impacts level of service.

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I mean, it does take away from our ability to fund other things that maybe

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wants as opposed to needs, but it doesn't.

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We're not tying the two directly together.

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The number of permits doesn't determine how many building inspectors

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we have or such.

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That's accurate.

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Well, and I think what you heard Ann say, though, and this is, I think

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I think this is very important, is that in that budgeting process, this department,

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not meeting its revenue goals, is not getting either additional people, additional

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funding that they would have.

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That's perfectly clear, Diane.

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For me, affordable housing is a need.

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Extra staff training is a want.

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So that's what I'm trying to clarify.

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Sure.

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However, understand that a vehicle, I'm simply, I'm not, I'm not arguing the validity

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of, of waving a fee for affordable housing.

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I mean, this is a counsel critical priority.

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I'm simply saying that it does affect specifically level of service because when you don't

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have a vehicle for a building inspector, that person is either getting there and we've

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had money bites, which is great.

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But, again, are we at that point where we don't have enough vehicles to get our

482
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,740
inspectors out to do inspections right now?

483
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,900
The answer, building would say yes.

484
00:32:37,660 --> 00:32:40,700
It's a long and complicated discussion we can have.

485
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,860
We actually don't have one vehicle per inspector.

486
00:32:44,860 --> 00:32:51,360
It's a, we have a fleet is incredibly expensive and we'll bring that one back for another day.

487
00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:58,560
So can I, I have comments, but if you guys have questions, I'll circle back to the comments.

488
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,800
You said you were going to give the comments as well, so.

489
00:33:01,100 --> 00:33:04,920
Just a couple of thoughts on the fee waivers.

490
00:33:05,060 --> 00:33:10,760
I break them down into a lot of different buckets if you can stay at the screen in terms of where they're appropriate or not.

491
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:16,260
Like I feel like affordable housing and city projects it makes a lot of sense to do the fee waivers

492
00:33:16,260 --> 00:33:22,480
We're just internally exchanging money and particularly with some of the impact fees like paying a water impact fee on the pub

493
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:28,420
Seems kind of silly and I think when we're looking at the actual impact of a lot of these a housing

494
00:33:28,420 --> 00:33:32,380
We're taking community goals into account. We're gonna have high water efficiency

495
00:33:32,380 --> 00:33:37,320
We're gonna hopefully have them in central locations where they're not heavy impacts on our roads

496
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:41,060
I'm not sure how they're going to have a negative impact on our parks and open space.

497
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,720
So I think those kind of impact these.

498
00:33:43,860 --> 00:33:51,080
We really put those in place to have development pay their way, not to punish community-based

499
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,020
projects that are going to enhance the community.

500
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:57,380
So I don't have a big problem waving a significant portion or all of those.

501
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,860
But I do think it starts to get really murky when you talk about all the various nonprofits

502
00:34:02,860 --> 00:34:05,300
because some of our nonprofits are pretty niche.

503
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:09,700
some of them niche. Some of them impact the entire community but some of them

504
00:34:09,700 --> 00:34:13,620
may be for a very specific group and so we have to be careful how we define that

505
00:34:13,620 --> 00:34:18,960
and maybe cap, maybe we limit ourselves to half at max, half waivers or something

506
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,820
just so we've got something to fall back on so it doesn't get abused but as

507
00:34:22,820 --> 00:34:27,120
far as city services, city facilities and affordable housing I think it

508
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:33,540
makes sense to have significant if not full waivers on those. Cindy. Well I

509
00:34:33,540 --> 00:34:41,520
I want to say, and I'm supportive of the developing some criteria for free waivers, but we do have

510
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:42,120
some history.

511
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:48,240
So the National Ability Center, when they come back, that must be their third project

512
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:49,940
on that piece of land, at least.

513
00:34:50,660 --> 00:34:56,420
Did we waive national ability fees before National Ability brought?

514
00:34:59,490 --> 00:35:03,750
We have not waived any fees that I'm aware of recently for the National Ability Center.

515
00:35:03,750 --> 00:35:05,590
But, I mean, when it was first built.

516
00:35:06,270 --> 00:35:08,290
I believe it was in the county when it was first built.

517
00:35:08,510 --> 00:35:09,290
And I stem later.

518
00:35:10,410 --> 00:35:11,610
It was in the county, you know.

519
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:13,870
And so what, in the hospital, the same thing?

520
00:35:15,030 --> 00:35:15,950
Did we waive?

521
00:35:16,290 --> 00:35:17,650
I mean, they just finished something.

522
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:18,810
Did we waive those fees?

523
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:20,270
Did they ask to have fees waived?

524
00:35:20,510 --> 00:35:21,250
I'm just asking.

525
00:35:21,610 --> 00:35:22,750
I'm just trying to collect the information.

526
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:26,230
The hospital did pay the fees associated with their development.

527
00:35:26,950 --> 00:35:31,130
The goal is here with this criteria is that in anticipation of potential applications,

528
00:35:31,130 --> 00:35:36,110
whether it be from the hospital or elsewhere, that we consider those, that we still have

529
00:35:36,110 --> 00:35:42,190
the opportunity to approve fee waivers, but that for scenarios just such as the hospital

530
00:35:42,190 --> 00:35:47,350
or that are out of the box nonprofits that we might look at differently for whatever

531
00:35:47,350 --> 00:35:52,110
reasons, that we have this criteria in place just so that we consider all of those

532
00:35:52,110 --> 00:35:56,130
factors when we make a recommendation on the waiver.

533
00:35:58,650 --> 00:36:03,130
second well I always think it's nice having criteria but as we kind of have

534
00:36:03,130 --> 00:36:07,850
been learning with SEAC they came up with a list of criteria and we rated

535
00:36:07,850 --> 00:36:11,210
things on it and then really what we got to is we were kind of inconclusive and

536
00:36:11,210 --> 00:36:20,430
you still nobody likes saying no so I don't know if there's a way to have when

537
00:36:20,430 --> 00:36:28,430
you're developing criteria or looking at applications, I'm not, I mean, I feel like even with applications

538
00:36:28,430 --> 00:36:34,610
and with criteria, it's hard often for us to say no because we do have a lot of nonprofits

539
00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:38,590
that do a lot in our community and I'm absolutely in agreement with Andy that I think that as

540
00:36:38,590 --> 00:36:43,630
far as affordable housing goes that we should be willing to waive those fees. Nonprofits

541
00:36:43,630 --> 00:36:48,250
I think get very tricky and I don't know if we've already kind of opened Pandora's

542
00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:51,730
box, but we have so many nonprofits in this town and every one of them is deserving.

543
00:36:52,590 --> 00:36:55,750
It does a lot of good in our community, and I don't know how you're going to find

544
00:36:55,750 --> 00:36:58,910
criteria that say we should do this for one and not for another.

545
00:37:00,050 --> 00:37:03,710
So I think that that's going to be something that is going to be very difficult

546
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:04,750
to get into.

547
00:37:05,350 --> 00:37:10,490
And with the, Andy said, city projects, affordable housing.

548
00:37:11,290 --> 00:37:15,110
Did you mean like for ivory homes, we're going to waive the fee waivers

549
00:37:15,110 --> 00:37:16,270
for their affordable housing?

550
00:37:16,330 --> 00:37:16,810
Just to.

551
00:37:16,970 --> 00:37:17,810
Is that a city project?

552
00:37:17,810 --> 00:37:20,430
No, but she said affordable housing. I'm just trying to clarify.

553
00:37:20,710 --> 00:37:22,410
I mean, I mean, city is affordable housing.

554
00:37:23,130 --> 00:37:24,850
I just wanted to clarify one more time.

555
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:31,690
Well, and to be clear, we aren't recommending fee waivers for housing obligations.

556
00:37:32,170 --> 00:37:39,050
When a developer has a housing obligation based on what they're building in the community, they are not eligible.

557
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:40,690
That's a very important point.

558
00:37:40,750 --> 00:37:41,990
I think that's a good point, too.

559
00:37:42,610 --> 00:37:47,070
Now, I'm really in favor of developing some sort of criteria because I think that

560
00:37:47,070 --> 00:37:52,070
gives transparency and so when people are getting ready to apply, they know how their

561
00:37:52,070 --> 00:37:55,950
application is going to be judged. You know, what criteria are we going to be looking

562
00:37:55,950 --> 00:37:59,370
at when we decide whether or not they're going to get a fee waiver? And I think

563
00:37:59,370 --> 00:38:03,410
that's fairer to the applicants than to just say, well, go ahead and submit and

564
00:38:03,410 --> 00:38:08,190
we'll decide at that time whether we want to do that or not. I'm in favor of

565
00:38:08,190 --> 00:38:14,690
waiving the fees for city projects, but I really would like to see some way where those

566
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:20,630
fees can be calculated into what the cost of the per unit is for those units.

567
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:21,510
We'll do that.

568
00:38:21,770 --> 00:38:22,470
We'll come up with a way.

569
00:38:22,690 --> 00:38:23,090
Thank you.

570
00:38:24,290 --> 00:38:24,530
Tim?

571
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:35,480
Well, I mean, I think you guys are asking for clarity, and if we give you clarity,

572
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:41,600
than you can figure out ways to address the direction that we give you if it's clear.

573
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,000
And I don't hear a lot of clarity.

574
00:38:43,220 --> 00:38:45,060
I mean, that's the problem in my mind.

575
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:52,380
So I think we should be having a conversation more about the higher level philosophical and

576
00:38:52,380 --> 00:38:59,540
policy question here, which is, how aggressively do we want to use fee-waving as an additional

577
00:38:59,540 --> 00:39:02,640
form of subsidy, because that's what it is.

578
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:07,220
And are we comfortable with the way it's been done?

579
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:09,300
Would we like to be more aggressive?

580
00:39:09,580 --> 00:39:10,980
Would we like to be less aggressive?

581
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:15,780
Taking into consideration the impacts on the budget and how it affects, you know,

582
00:39:15,860 --> 00:39:21,260
the revenue and expense flow and all the things that we can't, you know, be prepared for.

583
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,960
And I get that, but we're kind of skipping over something, in my opinion,

584
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,060
that is kind of the foundational conversation.

585
00:39:29,380 --> 00:39:32,080
So maybe I'm just a little slow.

586
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:36,160
I started out with that, saying that I think that we're going to want to waive fees

587
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:40,460
for some of the upcoming projects that we can think about.

588
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,920
And so I think that if we

589
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,960
want to raise fees, we're going to have to think of ways to make their budget whole.

590
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:57,900
And maybe we, maybe, I mean, we probably would like to waive all fees, but...

591
00:39:57,900 --> 00:40:02,120
Well, and, you know, let's, like, we could kind of play out those scenarios in my mind.

592
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:07,720
What if we waived all fees in, with projects that we want to subsidize?

593
00:40:08,380 --> 00:40:14,040
And how does that change the subsidy versus just subsidizing them?

594
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:18,300
I mean, if you build an affordable housing unit, and it's a city project, we're

595
00:40:18,300 --> 00:40:19,600
subsidizing the damn thing.

596
00:40:19,700 --> 00:40:25,260
And, you know, so we subsidize it at a man's point at $250 a square foot

597
00:40:25,260 --> 00:40:30,460
or $278 a square foot if we account for all the fees we've waived.

598
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:31,880
What's the difference, you know?

599
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,680
I mean, the difference is what pool of money it comes out of,

600
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,880
how it gets explained, how it gets, you know, presented,

601
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:43,140
what specific department it impacts

602
00:40:43,140 --> 00:40:45,940
and those specific impacts on that department.

603
00:40:46,340 --> 00:40:53,600
So I'm a big fan of subsidizing our critical priorities.

604
00:40:54,420 --> 00:41:01,120
Is fee-waving, both impact and the other one, the building department, are those appropriate

605
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:07,840
ways to do it, or could we just somehow fold it into the general subsidy, and does it accomplish

606
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:08,560
the same thing?

607
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:14,520
So my question back to you would be, what's the most effective way for us to subsidize

608
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,940
the critical priorities that you've listed, you've outlined?

609
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,340
Some of them are called out as critical, some of them are just things that we feel

610
00:41:22,340 --> 00:41:23,960
are critical and essential to do.

611
00:41:24,700 --> 00:41:27,540
So from staff's perspective, what makes the most sense?

612
00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:30,500
Do we revamp the whole program and get rid of fee waivers,

613
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:34,720
or do we create criteria to more narrowly define

614
00:41:34,720 --> 00:41:37,420
and give you tools to create a process

615
00:41:37,950 --> 00:41:43,200
which almost, to me, starts to create layers upon layers

616
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,960
of process as opposed to doing it in a more simplified way.

617
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:48,700
But I'm just throwing that out

618
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:50,940
so we could have that kind of a conversation

619
00:41:50,940 --> 00:41:53,300
because I feel like we just sort of blew right through that.

620
00:41:54,020 --> 00:41:59,120
Yeah, I don't completely agree we blew right through it, because four of us said,

621
00:41:59,140 --> 00:42:01,440
these are things that we clearly do want to do fee waivers.

622
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,120
And to me, and I do want to hear these guys answer,

623
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,740
but to me, it's a matter of what bucket the money comes out of,

624
00:42:06,780 --> 00:42:10,320
whether if we want to make sure our critical priorities are funded,

625
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,240
we've fought to get that money put in place.

626
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,580
So if we want to spend more of that money on fee waivers,

627
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,000
then that money essentially goes back into our general fund

628
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:19,540
and other things that are less critical.

629
00:42:19,540 --> 00:42:24,320
So I'm of the opinion we keep it with the critical priorities and we fund it from elsewhere

630
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,900
And we track it and if we need to adjust it if it's becoming

631
00:42:28,540 --> 00:42:33,380
cumbersome or we're going into deficits because of it then we're going to have to reconsider the policy or we're going to

632
00:42:33,380 --> 00:42:40,220
Do some fund transfers, but for the moment, I don't really want to take I don't want to make the affordable housing fund smaller in particular

633
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,240
right

634
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,520
I'm with you on that. I believe I heard Matt

635
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:53,960
what's your name? Diane say that for somebody, maybe it was you, calculated the projects

636
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:59,920
that we know that are out there, and you said there would be $4 million worth of fee waivers

637
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:02,100
over the next 10 years.

638
00:43:03,260 --> 00:43:08,260
So divide that by 10, that's $4 million divided by 10, yes, how much per year?

639
00:43:09,020 --> 00:43:12,560
Come on, Matt, come on. $400,000, okay.

640
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:20,440
So, I'm thinking that we should, I mean, special, I mean, the service contracts waive $200,000.

641
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,500
I mean, special events waive $200,000, and they have it in their budget.

642
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:32,560
I think we should have a budget line for waiving, I think we should have a budget

643
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,540
line for what city council should use to approve.

644
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,020
You know, maybe it's not the whole.

645
00:43:38,020 --> 00:43:39,420
That's not a bad idea.

646
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,980
440,000, maybe it's 200,000.

647
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:46,180
And we should also have a criteria.

648
00:43:47,740 --> 00:43:49,020
And we should...

649
00:43:49,740 --> 00:43:53,980
And city projects, maybe, are, you know, are fully funded.

650
00:43:54,540 --> 00:43:57,700
Well, but the other, I mean, the same, same concept,

651
00:43:57,940 --> 00:44:02,820
but another way of constructing it would be to take that $4 million over 10 years

652
00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:06,040
and add it back right now to our housing program

653
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:10,640
instead of having a 40 million pot, a 44 million dollar pot, and make the adjustment

654
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,940
that way. And then you're not having this fee waiver discussion on everything

655
00:44:14,940 --> 00:44:19,220
that comes along, and you still have created the same pool of money. And I'm only

656
00:44:19,220 --> 00:44:19,660
saying...

657
00:44:19,660 --> 00:44:21,820
And it's for affordable housing, and the city's doing it.

658
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,960
Yes. And I'm just saying, and I think that was the example where the 4 million

659
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:26,900
came from over 10 years, if I'm not mistaken.

660
00:44:26,900 --> 00:44:29,400
Wasn't it the nonprofit things that you expect to be built to?

661
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,600
No, it was just housing, just the...

662
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:32,440
All right. Sorry.

663
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:35,860
So I'm just using that as an example of there are different ways to kind

664
00:44:35,860 --> 00:44:40,760
of accomplish the same thing. And I don't know, I mean, maybe we have to really discuss

665
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:41,920
that, but...

666
00:44:43,590 --> 00:44:49,210
Well, in my mind, I feel like we're kind of all on agreement that we would like to

667
00:44:49,210 --> 00:44:53,570
see the affordable housing subsidized. And regardless of what product comes out of,

668
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:57,470
I feel like we should find the place to make those v-waivers happen. I think

669
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:59,970
where it gets trickier for me is when we start talking about non-private

670
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,000
We are trying to find criteria to rate which nonprofits we would be comfortable subsidizing

671
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,980
as you would say. And I think that's a lot trickier for me to go to because they might

672
00:45:10,980 --> 00:45:15,580
apply to our critical priorities, but they might not. But looking at any of our nonprofits

673
00:45:15,580 --> 00:45:18,560
in the face and saying that, you know, we understand that you do a lot of good for

674
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:22,600
our community, but we're not comfortable subsidizing or we are comfortable subsidizing you, I

675
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,860
think it's going to get very tricky moving forward. And so I think that's of a greater

676
00:45:26,860 --> 00:45:29,480
are concerned for me I think if we all say yeah we want to make sure our

677
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:33,480
affordable housing fee waivers are covered moving forward and that's one

678
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:37,360
thing but then how do we make decision on nonprofits and are we willing to

679
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,600
subsidize all of them or none of them or some of them in place of value on them

680
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:45,080
and is that also something that could come into our city service contract or

681
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,360
something like that where that money then is applied to fee waivers or

682
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,700
something other than if they know that they have something coming up

683
00:45:52,700 --> 00:45:55,540
where they can apply for our city service contract and that fee waiver

684
00:45:55,540 --> 00:45:58,300
comes out of that and is opposed to direct donations.

685
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:07,780
It is murky, and I think it's complicated, particularly when you get into the 100-100

686
00:46:08,860 --> 00:46:13,980
nonprofits that we have in this community and who gets something and who doesn't,

687
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:20,380
but we do need to develop a criteria for that.

688
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,420
And for me, it's going to be those, those entities that have been underserved,

689
00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:30,200
those communities that have been underserved, and to the extent that we can help those

690
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:37,120
entities, I would support it. But those that are just an overlay component of the

691
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:45,620
community that perhaps hasn't, isn't a part of that community of the spin-left-out

692
00:46:45,620 --> 00:46:50,620
of the equation, those I would struggle with supporting. But we need to have

693
00:46:50,620 --> 00:46:53,400
something that's clear, because we're going to get hammered here.

694
00:46:54,820 --> 00:47:02,960
Well, if we, to your point, the underserved would be a great way to put a lens into

695
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,320
the criteria underserved, and maybe it ties into affordability also, because we're

696
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,420
talking affordable housing, but underserved and affordability are very closely

697
00:47:11,420 --> 00:47:17,260
related, and also that's a part of the community that, you know, we risk losing

698
00:47:17,260 --> 00:47:22,560
because of the escalation of prices and the affluence of the community in general.

699
00:47:22,740 --> 00:47:28,100
So we could tie in that affordability concept that we brought into play during the last

700
00:47:28,100 --> 00:47:30,080
retreat in this manner also.

701
00:47:30,460 --> 00:47:30,620
Right.

702
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:37,320
And you may want to add your goals of energy and transportation to that.

703
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:42,880
So, for example, set up some criteria where you're willing to waive more fees

704
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:50,440
if they're going with a lead gold standard, and if it's in an area where a bus stop would

705
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:55,000
make sense, if they're supporting that kind of thing, or transit-oriented development.

706
00:47:55,380 --> 00:48:00,740
Yeah, we'll have to talk about that. I think that's, you know, for me, there's a difference

707
00:48:00,740 --> 00:48:04,720
between those entities and the underserved component of the community.

708
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:06,360
But, yeah,

709
00:48:10,060 --> 00:48:11,500
we're not helping you a hell of a lot here.

710
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,140
And I'm going to, I think it's going to be very tricky when we start talking

711
00:48:15,140 --> 00:48:19,000
even about underserved populations, because we're going to hear from our arts organizations

712
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,940
that provide sponsorships to underserved populations. We're going to hear from, you

713
00:48:22,940 --> 00:48:26,540
know, places like the Christian Center, which do direct services. But I think there's

714
00:48:26,540 --> 00:48:30,880
a lot of ways the film series shows on the weekends for kids, like it's going to get

715
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:32,640
very complicated, even with that.

716
00:48:33,220 --> 00:48:34,160
Freida, go ahead.

717
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,460
Thank you. I'm going to jump in because in a little bit we're going to give a quick

718
00:48:38,460 --> 00:48:42,380
little report on fee reduction update with regards to special events. One of the

719
00:48:42,380 --> 00:48:45,940
recommendations that's going to come forward in a little bit is relooking at the fee reduction

720
00:48:45,940 --> 00:48:52,400
criteria. And I also wanted to clarify that I think when I started with the city we were

721
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:58,020
again kind of getting these fee reduction requests literally weekly and we almost couldn't keep

722
00:48:58,020 --> 00:49:01,680
up with them and we didn't really have necessarily a way to budget for them. So coming up with

723
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,060
the criteria in a process helped not only provide clarity to staff but it also helped

724
00:49:06,060 --> 00:49:09,800
provide clarity to the event organizer and understand that the fees that they

725
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:13,580
would possibly have when they're planning for projects or events.

726
00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:19,360
And furthermore, in our fee reduction policy, we are going to say that we want to align

727
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:25,280
our policy with the critical priorities and actually develop measures so that when we

728
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:30,120
are looking at the policy, we can say, hey, they are or are not meeting these actual

729
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:30,720
priorities.

730
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:36,080
And are these nonprofits really providing a service to our community or are we just,

731
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:41,520
You know, are they just, I don't know, fun and a non-profit, and therefore we're granting

732
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:42,440
a fee reduction?

733
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,000
But what service are they actually providing, and why would we feel that that fee reduction

734
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:47,680
is necessary?

735
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:53,900
I think we've given some strong incest to what we think those priorities are in terms

736
00:49:53,900 --> 00:49:55,020
of creating that criteria.

737
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:57,960
It's affordable housing, right?

738
00:49:59,240 --> 00:50:04,160
It's going to be affordability as another component.

739
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:05,680
What else?

740
00:50:05,980 --> 00:50:08,700
I was just going to, Mr. Mayor, to clarify.

741
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:14,680
It seemed to me like that there was good support for affordable housing and city projects

742
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,020
not having to go through the criteria.

743
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:19,520
Council was saying it's a policy decision that we believe those are appropriate

744
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,740
for fee waivers and impacts to simplify things.

745
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:21,960
Right.

746
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:23,260
Is that safe to say?

747
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,320
So that takes two of the bigger ones off.

748
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:25,660
Right.

749
00:50:25,700 --> 00:50:28,900
And with the caveat that I think Nan's correct, we should track those.

750
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,200
So we know what those impacts are and we can come back.

751
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,820
and then the rest of the items are the ones that we believe that we need the criteria

752
00:50:35,820 --> 00:50:37,900
for including affordability.

753
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,680
And the only other piece I'd add to that summary would be that you'd like to see staff figure

754
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:50,800
out a way to handle this in the budget both so that we can accurately view how much

755
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:56,900
affordable housing we are subsidizing, as well as not manage the impacts to the

756
00:50:56,900 --> 00:50:58,880
departments wherever appropriate.

757
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:02,660
It would be great if we could take the great unknown out of what this number is for

758
00:51:02,660 --> 00:51:09,280
a year, which was your point, Tim. You know, if there's a budget, a number that we

759
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:15,360
can put in the budget for a free reduction. But Mr. Harrington, I think you were

760
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:15,840
just going to add that.

761
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,580
Well, I think the other approach is if you look at the charts with the three

762
00:51:19,580 --> 00:51:29,200
lines, you're already subsidizing new growth, new construction to a degree already.

763
00:51:29,380 --> 00:51:35,120
So it's going to be hard to factor that out, like, specifically, but you could set

764
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:43,000
some parameters that if the budget has a level of service impact or this red line

765
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:51,220
crosses a certain percentage unexpectedly that's not in line with other growth or

766
00:51:51,220 --> 00:51:57,460
application variations, because what allows you can attribute to market

767
00:51:57,460 --> 00:52:04,880
conditions. So you should be able to tell the difference between a huge subsidy by

768
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:11,360
virtue of a big project that gets fee waivers versus the incremental flux that

769
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:16,520
occur in a natural market environment, and then just have it alert so that you know you're

770
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:21,760
not crossing some threshold of subsidies for the department as a whole, and then you'd

771
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,980
have to be, you'd have to ratchet it back or set a new deadline, but I think you could,

772
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,060
you could do that.

773
00:52:27,140 --> 00:52:32,220
But what I'm hearing is you're largely, the State set this policy for you for impact

774
00:52:32,220 --> 00:52:35,720
fees to a degree in the statute to Tim's point.

775
00:52:36,020 --> 00:52:40,080
It said, affordable housing, you don't need to identify where the money is shifting

776
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,500
to from fund to fund, everything else you have to.

777
00:52:45,140 --> 00:52:51,140
You're kind of extending that to the rest of the fee waivers in building for plan check

778
00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:56,920
and others and saying give additional criteria for the application requirement.

779
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:04,060
So I think where you are is pretty consistent with where the state is on impact fees as well.

780
00:53:04,060 --> 00:53:10,960
So the question is, you know, whether and where you want to offset those subsidies in

781
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:11,920
the actual funds.

782
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:14,480
Yeah, please.

783
00:53:14,700 --> 00:53:19,360
Do you expect the revenues and the expenses to become more in line with the new fees,

784
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,220
the new restructuring that you've done?

785
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,380
Not necessarily.

786
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:32,160
The revenues are very volatile and they very much reflect the market, nature of the

787
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:32,480
market.

788
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,980
it, it's difficult to forecast that.

789
00:53:37,140 --> 00:53:39,660
However, you will see a consistency with the expenses

790
00:53:39,660 --> 00:53:44,520
and the long-term expenditures. There are very consistent and steady in the hopes of

791
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:50,340
meeting that in the long-term, not necessarily on a year-to-year basis.

792
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,520
I mean, that's part of the reason that we're talking about this is, you know, last

793
00:53:54,520 --> 00:54:00,020
year we ended up, you know, $230,000 less than what we wanted to. And so that's

794
00:54:00,020 --> 00:54:01,580
That's the reason that we were increasing fees.

795
00:54:02,340 --> 00:54:07,800
And so if we were to waive more fees, then we'd probably want to increase the fees in order to make up the difference.

796
00:54:08,220 --> 00:54:08,720
Mm hmm.

797
00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:16,560
So we're already subsidizing new construction, so that

798
00:54:19,370 --> 00:54:26,750
we subsidize nonprofits or our housing when I'm doing more of that.

799
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:32,410
And this is that's what a lot of the smaller jurisdictions have to do.

800
00:54:32,410 --> 00:54:37,130
And, unfortunately, with that, that means great fluctuation of your staff in year

801
00:54:37,130 --> 00:54:38,390
to year with your revenues.

802
00:54:39,130 --> 00:54:45,330
And so I think part of this plan accommodates that subsidy year to year for a greater

803
00:54:45,330 --> 00:54:46,930
stability of level of service.

804
00:54:47,570 --> 00:54:53,090
But certainly you can do the other and have direct, and we do account for that.

805
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:56,110
I think that's what Jett was referring to in terms of the, you know, you consider

806
00:54:56,110 --> 00:55:01,890
the prior year in the future budgeting, but not directly in terms of some of the

807
00:55:01,890 --> 00:55:04,790
smaller jurisdictions and counties, that's a much bigger challenge for it.

808
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:08,230
And that's why you see their staff and go up and down with the economy.

809
00:55:09,230 --> 00:55:11,310
So we've got to move on to another discussion.

810
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:15,230
But did you get all your points out with this?

811
00:55:15,390 --> 00:55:17,690
Or do you want to return with a continued discussion?

812
00:55:19,470 --> 00:55:21,090
I'd like to catch up with our agenda.

813
00:55:21,310 --> 00:55:25,410
I'd be in favor of returning with a continued discussion.

814
00:55:25,590 --> 00:55:29,070
It doesn't have to be a continuation of where we are today.

815
00:55:29,070 --> 00:55:34,810
I mean, it can be staff going back doing a little bit of retuning, refining, thinking

816
00:55:34,810 --> 00:55:35,350
about it.

817
00:55:35,570 --> 00:55:38,590
With these comments, I mean, hopefully we've given you something to work with.

818
00:55:39,130 --> 00:55:44,550
I personally think that there is a budget aspect here that I'd like to see our budget

819
00:55:44,550 --> 00:55:49,690
guys explore a little more deeply, which is, and I think it would help us to sort

820
00:55:49,690 --> 00:55:55,070
of create some sort of threshold that Mark's talking about, that I think we could incorporate

821
00:55:55,070 --> 00:56:02,130
into the budget as an overall fee waiver threshold that, you know, do we exceed it, do we, how

822
00:56:02,130 --> 00:56:07,170
close to it are we, how comfortable are we as an additional subsidy, because it is an

823
00:56:07,170 --> 00:56:08,090
additional subsidy.

824
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:08,390
Right.

825
00:56:09,070 --> 00:56:10,030
I'm comfortable with that.

826
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:10,730
Andy?

827
00:56:10,790 --> 00:56:11,930
I just want to check.

828
00:56:12,330 --> 00:56:17,350
So it was, with this budget cycle, we increased a lot of these fees, didn't we?

829
00:56:17,450 --> 00:56:21,250
So we haven't seen this line could look very different for 2017.

830
00:56:22,810 --> 00:56:23,310
Yeah.

831
00:56:23,310 --> 00:56:27,510
we, you know, we're early in the fiscal year still, you know, three, three and a half months,

832
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:33,710
four months, I guess, into it. So the revenues are down just a little bit than what we want

833
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:37,250
for the projection, but, you know, there's still a lot of the fiscal year left. So hopefully

834
00:56:37,690 --> 00:56:42,070
we'll kind of pick up. Usually in the spring, we see a big increase. So yeah, you're

835
00:56:42,070 --> 00:56:45,570
going to come back if we might have half our year in and nice to see that.

836
00:56:47,250 --> 00:56:51,470
I was just going to ask Council, there was a conversation about, you know, looking

837
00:56:51,470 --> 00:56:57,670
looking at the criteria and pulling out affordable housing and city projects.

838
00:56:58,390 --> 00:57:02,450
So if we came back and came up with a new criteria that was really focused more on nonprofits

839
00:57:03,890 --> 00:57:09,030
and then talked about a budgeting piece or a threshold or a tolerance level for fee waivers,

840
00:57:09,210 --> 00:57:11,770
is that what Councilors are at?

841
00:57:12,070 --> 00:57:12,270
Yes.

842
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:15,620
Nate, anything else?

843
00:57:15,820 --> 00:57:21,300
Just so you're aware that the impact fee will be addressed probably different than

844
00:57:21,300 --> 00:57:24,560
that because of the different funds that it goes across and because of the state code.

845
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:31,140
So going in that direction with the budget and all that sort of criteria, we're going

846
00:57:31,140 --> 00:57:36,760
to probably separate out impact fees a little bit from the other fees that go towards building.

847
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,280
So just so you're aware of that.

848
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:44,300
I mean, there's a couple of ways we can address that, and I think I could show you the

849
00:57:44,300 --> 00:57:49,980
impacts and how that affects different funds if I show it to you directly from

850
00:57:49,980 --> 00:57:55,640
I'm just an impact fee standpoint and there's two different roads that you could basically

851
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:56,120
go down.

852
00:57:56,380 --> 00:57:57,300
I'd like to see that.

853
00:57:57,420 --> 00:58:00,920
Are you pointing that out to us as a cautionary tale?

854
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,260
No, I'm just saying that that's what you'll see.

855
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,960
Because there's basically two ways that you could do it.

856
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:12,040
The code allows you to do affordable housing and city projects within those different

857
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,320
funds and just waive those.

858
00:58:13,900 --> 00:58:16,940
The other way that you could do it is the way that we do it when we get grants

859
00:58:16,940 --> 00:58:22,580
That's where we actually use the grant money to pay those, and then we see the whole subsidy,

860
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,480
whether it's from a grant standpoint, but since we're paying for affordable housing

861
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:31,140
out of the RDA, you could have the RDA pay all of those, then you'd see the subsidy altogether.

862
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,840
If you wanted to increase the funding within the RDA, you could.

863
00:58:35,660 --> 00:58:40,040
But if you really wanted to get even more money and kind of spread it out between

864
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,100
the different funds, the code allows that as well.

865
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,680
So I'll show that to you both ways.

866
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:52,360
I think that will be helpful. Good. Anything else? Thank you.

867
00:58:54,780 --> 00:58:59,520
We're going to shift to the back of the room for our discussion regarding communities

868
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:04,880
that care. So we'll slide back there with you all.

869
01:00:38,860 --> 01:00:47,280
Yeah, so it's probably some constitutionalists or something, just warming up. Yeah, exactly.

870
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:23,100
I know, she could be on TV, but I don't know if he's on TV or if he's on TV.

871
01:01:23,340 --> 01:01:25,300
I want you to be upset that I'm going to sue her.

872
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:29,220
You better trust me.

873
01:01:31,940 --> 01:01:32,640
She's the mayor.

874
01:01:43,660 --> 01:01:44,380
She's the mayor.

875
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,620
Oh, yeah, do you want to go sit on the air?

876
01:01:53,180 --> 01:01:53,620
Yeah.

877
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,580
Do you want to go sit on the air?

878
01:01:55,940 --> 01:01:56,500
I'm doing it.

879
01:01:57,580 --> 01:02:00,320
I know I'll sit at the end, but she doesn't mind it.

880
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:01,240
I'm lying.

881
01:02:01,380 --> 01:02:01,660
I'm lying.

882
01:02:02,220 --> 01:02:02,520
You're lying.

883
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:04,000
You're lying.

884
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:05,280
You're lying.

885
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:05,940
You're lying.

886
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:07,800
You're lying.

887
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:09,640
You're lying.

888
01:02:16,100 --> 01:02:16,980
You're lying.

889
01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:25,260
All right, so we're going to open this discussion for communities of care.

890
01:02:26,260 --> 01:02:26,760
There you go.

891
01:02:29,820 --> 01:02:32,300
Really quickly, yeah. So this is Maya.

892
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:33,600
Oh, go ahead.

893
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:40,140
I'm Maya Levine. I have started with a few other kids, the Youth Council of Park City.

894
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:47,460
And so then I was elected mayor recently, so I'm here to represent our youth council.

895
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:52,580
Does anybody have any questions?

896
01:02:58,300 --> 01:03:04,640
So I'm really excited that you're here today and that you're going to be with us for the next year, I think that's awesome.

897
01:03:05,460 --> 01:03:12,280
And just kind of as a really quick introduction, not long after our community lost those two

898
01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:17,820
young men, Dr. Connolly pulled together a group of about 40 community leaders to kind of look

899
01:03:17,820 --> 01:03:22,280
at how we might be able to address this as a community, these issues that are facing all

900
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:22,680
of us.

901
01:03:23,260 --> 01:03:28,120
And what kind of came out of that group was everybody had an idea of what should

902
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:34,480
be done, but there was no central place for that to be done, no coordination, no framework

903
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:40,980
to make all of that happen. And so, she did a lot of research on a lot of different models,

904
01:03:41,340 --> 01:03:46,400
and when I met with her recently, she had come across a program called Communities that

905
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,160
Care, and so that's what this study session is about today, and I'm just going to turn

906
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:51,940
it over to you to get us started.

907
01:03:51,940 --> 01:03:56,140
So it definitely has been an evolving process.

908
01:03:56,920 --> 01:03:57,580
I'm looking at Wade.

909
01:03:57,720 --> 01:04:00,660
Wade and I have become very close colleagues

910
01:04:00,660 --> 01:04:02,220
in the last couple of months.

911
01:04:02,540 --> 01:04:05,020
You know, I'm happy to have him as a friend,

912
01:04:05,100 --> 01:04:07,280
but it was under really bad circumstances.

913
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:09,600
So thank you for your time today to listen

914
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:11,320
to some of the statistics that I'm going to share,

915
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,580
kind of the story around this.

916
01:04:13,900 --> 01:04:15,200
And I'm really thrilled that you're here

917
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,780
so you can also, you know,

918
01:04:16,820 --> 01:04:19,980
support on that student side of that.

919
01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:26,720
So as this started unfolding, there were a couple of things that happened specifically.

920
01:04:27,540 --> 01:04:34,020
One was I started getting a massive amount of emails from different organizations, different people,

921
01:04:34,440 --> 01:04:39,620
from our community but also from around the country nationwide.

922
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:45,900
And while I know school fairly well, I know the system of school,

923
01:04:45,900 --> 01:04:52,320
I found really quickly that trying to manage that was way beyond what my scope could be.

924
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:58,220
And so very much what Nan shared was I pulled together some of the relationships that I

925
01:04:58,220 --> 01:05:03,820
built with some of you, leaders of organizations, and we first came around just around the

926
01:05:03,820 --> 01:05:08,560
grieving process to help us understand that not only are we grieving the lives of these

927
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:14,520
two boys, but as a community it was a grieving moment because it was a wake up call I

928
01:05:14,520 --> 01:05:24,040
to many of us. Shortly after that, I was contacted by the CEO of Westgate. So I don't know if

929
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:29,140
many of you know the story behind Westgate. So we have a Westgate Resort, but the CEO

930
01:05:29,140 --> 01:05:35,060
of all the Westgates contacted me. 15 months ago, he lost his daughter to an opioid overdose.

931
01:05:36,020 --> 01:05:42,620
And he has since stepped down as being the operational guy and has sunk his time

932
01:05:42,620 --> 01:05:47,500
and resources into learning about this. And so we had some really great conversations around

933
01:05:47,500 --> 01:05:52,460
how do you, you know, how do you really have a culture of change? And so he shared with

934
01:05:52,460 --> 01:05:57,360
me, and again, this is this evolving story, this idea of communities that care. Well,

935
01:05:57,420 --> 01:06:03,000
throughout our community, I found out that we have several people that had been trained,

936
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:08,120
and I had the opportunity to meet Rob. But we also have several being with the

937
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:13,080
coalition, Tanya has been part of the anti-bullying coalition, Wade has had

938
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:18,260
instrumental peace in that, and it provides a framework. So what I want to

939
01:06:18,260 --> 01:06:21,400
talk about a little bit is I want to give you some statistics right now about

940
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:27,660
our community, and this information is taken from the SHARP survey, so it is a

941
01:06:29,020 --> 01:06:33,920
survey given to all of our students in Utah, and it helps us understand

942
01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:41,240
risky behaviors. So it's a risky behavior survey and it's given at the age of 6

943
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:47,900
through 12th grade. So I want to just give you some quick statistics about our

944
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:56,640
drug use situation. So in talking about alcohol it talked about 6 through

945
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:03,360
12 that 61% of our 6 through 12th graders reporting having consumed

946
01:07:03,360 --> 01:07:10,640
alcohol at home with my parent's permission and 62% of that was at someone else's home

947
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:16,040
without parent permission. Sources were of course at a party and then it goes through

948
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:22,440
that. So then it talks about the marijuana use and 21% of them have used marijuana

949
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:30,480
and in the last 30 days it was 30% or excuse me it was 12%. And prescription drugs so

950
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:35,660
think six through 12th grade, these are 12-year-olds all the way up to 18-year-olds, that's 6%

951
01:07:35,660 --> 01:07:36,300
district-wide.

952
01:07:36,460 --> 01:07:40,240
So you're thinking, okay, 6% prescription drugs doesn't seem like a lot, but then as

953
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:45,340
we drill down in this data, and we focus on our 10 through 12th graders.

954
01:07:45,980 --> 01:07:52,720
So just on our 10 through 12th graders, 71% of them had used alcohol, 41% of them had

955
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:56,100
used it one of the last 30 days, and that's double the state norm.

956
01:07:56,100 --> 01:08:02,040
So again, we live in a unique state, which isn't, you know, alcohol is definitely one

957
01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:06,540
that we know isn't used a lot in Utah comparatively.

958
01:08:07,100 --> 01:08:10,100
But then we looked at the marijuana use, it was 50%.

959
01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:13,540
So out of our 10th and 12th grade, 50% of them had used marijuana.

960
01:08:14,620 --> 01:08:19,660
By 12th grade, we had seen almost a double in hallucinogens.

961
01:08:20,080 --> 01:08:24,000
So abuse in the last two years in our 12th graders.

962
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:30,920
and the cocaine use in our 12th graders tripled going from 2.5 to 7%.

963
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:36,360
So if you start seeing the trends of hard drugs, you know, alcohol versus marijuana and then the hard drugs,

964
01:08:37,300 --> 01:08:43,140
and then we're more than double the state norm for prescription drug use,

965
01:08:43,780 --> 01:08:47,760
and over the last couple years has increased from 5% to 8%.

966
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:55,500
So I share these with you that we're seeing a gradual increase of these types of really risky behaviors and drug use.

967
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:05,320
Let me see if there's a couple more that I want to share with you that really got my attention.

968
01:09:07,420 --> 01:09:15,640
In the process of this, one, we've learned that we need to do a better job educating our students along the way.

969
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,160
So we have some very specific school things we need to do.

970
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:23,040
But one of the other things that we've looked at is providing a drug testing policy.

971
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:28,260
And so I know that there was a survey sent out to the student body and we just received the survey back.

972
01:09:28,420 --> 01:09:30,120
And I literally just opened it.

973
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:34,660
And I want to share some of the, these are students' comments from the survey.

974
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:43,740
It talked about teach parents ways to prevent and deter their children from doing drugs.

975
01:09:45,820 --> 01:09:49,940
Get kids educated in more detail at an earlier age.

976
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:53,200
Educate students on the negative impacts of hard drugs.

977
01:09:54,700 --> 01:09:58,160
Testing students randomly may lead to a use of hard drugs,

978
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:03,520
so they were thinking that just drug testing from marijuana may lead to drug use in other areas.

979
01:10:04,220 --> 01:10:08,060
I want to read one that just caught my eye, sorry, just a minute.

980
01:10:14,770 --> 01:10:17,670
This one, I feel that having more education on the topic would help.

981
01:10:17,810 --> 01:10:19,730
There are a lot of students who aren't aware of the dangers.

982
01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:27,590
And then one specifically was, it talked about the culture that you're never going to change the culture of the town,

983
01:10:27,870 --> 01:10:29,890
but at least you can educate us about hard drugs.

984
01:10:30,450 --> 01:10:37,230
And that really stuck in my mind of, well, I really think we do have an opportunity to change the culture in our town.

985
01:10:38,330 --> 01:10:43,470
And that's been how I've kind of come upon Rob and the framework.

986
01:10:43,950 --> 01:10:48,950
So just to give you a little bit about the communities that care, it's very, it's an organic process.

987
01:10:49,490 --> 01:10:55,350
And we, and Daniel, I know that you have, and Nancy too, with the anti-bullying coalition, you're familiar with it.

988
01:10:57,150 --> 01:11:04,170
It's out of the University of Washington and 25 years of research around social development.

989
01:11:04,170 --> 01:11:09,930
When I talk about social development, how do communities really address the negative factors

990
01:11:09,930 --> 01:11:11,590
that are occurring in their communities?

991
01:11:12,410 --> 01:11:16,150
And so you'll be able to share the process of that.

992
01:11:16,650 --> 01:11:21,410
But what I think that I have found that has been most encouraging about this.

993
01:11:21,530 --> 01:11:23,370
One is that we're not creating it.

994
01:11:23,690 --> 01:11:25,110
We're not creating a framework.

995
01:11:25,310 --> 01:11:26,030
It's already been done.

996
01:11:26,490 --> 01:11:30,870
There's been 25 years of research and they have tools ready for us.

997
01:11:30,870 --> 01:11:38,410
And what it requires us to do is to come together as a community and commit to this.

998
01:11:38,770 --> 01:11:40,130
So I'm going to kind of hand it over.

999
01:11:40,290 --> 01:11:42,190
Do you guys have questions before I hand it over to?

1000
01:11:42,490 --> 01:11:43,310
I have one question.

1001
01:11:43,470 --> 01:11:43,690
Okay.

1002
01:11:43,930 --> 01:11:46,190
So these surveys are voluntary.

1003
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:49,910
So it's dependent upon the students, honesty, level, disclosure, and such.

1004
01:11:50,350 --> 01:11:52,990
I'm just curious that the numbers are scary.

1005
01:11:53,530 --> 01:11:55,790
And they clearly point to a lot of things of concern.

1006
01:11:56,290 --> 01:11:59,110
I'm curious if we've compared those to out of state numbers.

1007
01:11:59,110 --> 01:12:04,170
just because it was kind of unique culturally, there's such a stigma. I wonder if there's

1008
01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:09,150
less disclosure among these. It's in the dark through me. It is. So how do we compare to

1009
01:12:09,150 --> 01:12:14,930
say Boulder, Colorado, or Chicago or something like that? And I want to share with you, I

1010
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:21,030
had this last weekend, I had some area superintendents from Vale, Aspen, Telluride, Jackson Hole,

1011
01:12:23,170 --> 01:12:29,330
Sun Valley and McCall and we were here in Park City and so I asked them you know

1012
01:12:29,330 --> 01:12:32,910
what is your biggest issue right now in your community and they said mental

1013
01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:37,570
health and substance abuse hands down like they we cannot get ahead of it so

1014
01:12:38,710 --> 01:12:46,890
suicide ties into that absolutely yeah it does and so what national nor so

1015
01:12:46,890 --> 01:12:52,070
So prescription drug use is 20% for Park City, which is double our state norm.

1016
01:12:52,450 --> 01:12:53,470
What age groups are these again?

1017
01:12:53,830 --> 01:12:55,210
This would be our 10th through 12th graders.

1018
01:12:56,150 --> 01:12:58,110
But it's equal to the national norm.

1019
01:12:59,390 --> 01:13:02,190
And I, knowing how competitive we are in Park City,

1020
01:13:02,330 --> 01:13:05,770
that's the last thing we want to be in competition with at the national level.

1021
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:08,690
They don't give it for town, but they give it compared to nationally.

1022
01:13:08,850 --> 01:13:10,030
That's what I was just wondering about.

1023
01:13:10,130 --> 01:13:12,650
I mean, we're clearly way out of skew with the rest of the state,

1024
01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:14,890
but I'm wondering nationally how we play out.

1025
01:13:14,890 --> 01:13:17,410
It sounds like we're a little more in line nationally.

1026
01:13:17,690 --> 01:13:21,270
You know, and I have to tell you, I've had some conversations with some of our high school students,

1027
01:13:21,550 --> 01:13:25,550
and it has been really eye-opening to talk with them.

1028
01:13:25,690 --> 01:13:29,670
I mean, most of you know, I mean, we have kids that just went through the school system,

1029
01:13:29,810 --> 01:13:33,190
but having your own kids versus having two kids just talk to you.

1030
01:13:33,930 --> 01:13:38,030
I mean, it was really, you know, most of my friends believe that marijuana's not bad.

1031
01:13:38,690 --> 01:13:39,850
In fact, it's good for us.

1032
01:13:40,330 --> 01:13:43,910
I mean, so those are kind of some of the understandings that I was really shocked.

1033
01:13:43,910 --> 01:13:48,950
But one thing that I, that they shared with me was the level of stress that they feel.

1034
01:13:49,390 --> 01:13:56,070
And whether it's the level of stress to perform academically or athletically or just be in Park City,

1035
01:13:56,930 --> 01:14:01,490
they, all of them have stated it's a hard place because of that.

1036
01:14:01,870 --> 01:14:05,850
And I would say that's a national trend of those soft skills that they're,

1037
01:14:06,150 --> 01:14:09,550
that I'm going to say even that we were raised of that perseverance and that resilience.

1038
01:14:10,210 --> 01:14:21,310
We have some kind of disconnect and I don't know why, I don't know why but I think we have a lot of smart people here and people that cherish kids in this community.

1039
01:14:21,930 --> 01:14:30,750
We're seeing the same trend in higher ed in terms of the services required to help our students deal with the loss of stress that they are encountering.

1040
01:14:31,750 --> 01:14:36,950
It's a really unique environment right now.

1041
01:14:37,950 --> 01:14:45,970
And the Bully Coalition really just started with Kevin McIntosh and Ray Nurek who are kind of passionate about kids that are sort of slipping through the cracks.

1042
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:50,250
But it's really evolved into the whole thing of, it's all under one big umbrella.

1043
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:55,330
You know, kids that are having issues, and suicide, drugs, it all goes together.

1044
01:14:55,930 --> 01:14:59,970
And so that's why we started looking at this community, so care...

1045
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,200
Because we need to look at a more official format, which has been proven, and then there's

1046
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:11,880
opportunities for grants and all kinds of great stuff if you sort of head down that way.

1047
01:15:11,900 --> 01:15:17,780
Sparging is our numbers are, the positive side of that is that they have these CADK grants

1048
01:15:17,780 --> 01:15:21,260
that I know Cedar City received, and their numbers weren't even close to ours.

1049
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:28,540
But I was fairly involved in that. They received $650,000 to address some of these issues

1050
01:15:28,540 --> 01:15:34,760
with the ability to apply for that after a five-year period, and I went back to Washington

1051
01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:41,040
D.C. with a group of these kids, oh, I guess it's been four, five years ago, and it was

1052
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:46,000
nice to be able to have the funds that they could actually drill down and find out what

1053
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:49,620
these issues were and be able to put the resources in it.

1054
01:15:49,740 --> 01:15:54,400
And I don't know if, and we applied for this grant several years ago, and it was

1055
01:15:54,400 --> 01:16:01,260
a really short notice for us, but since that time you can speak to this, a lot of the resources

1056
01:16:01,260 --> 01:16:06,720
we realized what we needed to be successful in that grant, and so we've had these discussions

1057
01:16:06,720 --> 01:16:12,140
about substance abuse and a lot of these other issues that will help support us if

1058
01:16:12,140 --> 01:16:13,820
we try to apply for that grant again.

1059
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:21,200
And some of you may know that yesterday we had our third community leader meeting

1060
01:16:21,200 --> 01:16:26,620
And the question was how it was twofold is how are we going to keep our kids safe during the holiday season?

1061
01:16:26,840 --> 01:16:32,420
Because that's a short term and we had students at our tables and I said so do you

1062
01:16:33,080 --> 01:16:38,320
And I asked the one student, I said so do you know of anything that's going on this holiday season during Christmas break?

1063
01:16:40,380 --> 01:16:43,300
No, do you know of any activities that you can be involved in?

1064
01:16:44,180 --> 01:16:51,040
No. I mean so we're seeing some gaps in services for our kids to have some

1065
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:55,200
safety nets for them. So if you don't have things planned, they're gonna plan

1066
01:16:55,200 --> 01:17:02,100
things for themselves and some of the behaviors that we are seeing. I mean the

1067
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:07,280
things that have come across my chest in the last month have been, I thought

1068
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:12,620
again I've been a seasoned educator, have really been eye-opening and I know

1069
01:17:12,620 --> 01:17:16,220
you've seen some of those in the paper the rentals of the ERBOs and the big

1070
01:17:16,220 --> 01:17:24,020
parties and these are 9th to 10th graders and it's just what they do so

1071
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:26,560
I'm

1072
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:33,100
curious if any of you remember past discussion on issues within the

1073
01:17:33,100 --> 01:17:37,040
community that kind of focused on the school district and there was this

1074
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:40,140
sleep it under the carpet and denial.

1075
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:44,120
And it came from the business interests, let's say,

1076
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,300
and maybe the real estate interests in town.

1077
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:49,880
They didn't want to acknowledge that there was a drug issue

1078
01:17:50,270 --> 01:17:51,200
in the school district.

1079
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:54,260
They didn't want to acknowledge that there were issues

1080
01:17:54,260 --> 01:17:56,320
within the community because they thought

1081
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,360
that it would present the community in a poor light

1082
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:01,400
and that people wouldn't come here.

1083
01:18:01,560 --> 01:18:05,240
Now, it seems like the landscape has changed a little,

1084
01:18:05,240 --> 01:18:11,160
maybe because it had to change and we're changing in reaction to these events, but I'm curious to

1085
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:16,920
number one you all remember that conversation like 15 years ago it was a big deal. I mean there

1086
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:21,640
were people who were saying hey we got to wake up and there were letters to the editor and then

1087
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:27,180
there was this huge community backlash oh let's just get that all tamped down and not even talk

1088
01:18:27,180 --> 01:18:33,980
about it. So I'm glad to see we are talking about it. Are we past that kind of community pushback

1089
01:18:33,980 --> 01:18:39,780
or ember or use hearing a pushback from any segment of the community that does not want

1090
01:18:39,780 --> 01:18:46,280
this to be part of the community dialogue because of the potential implications for sign

1091
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:46,900
real estate.

1092
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:54,540
Most of my feedback has been very positive.

1093
01:18:55,160 --> 01:18:57,660
Anybody else getting a pushback?

1094
01:18:58,580 --> 01:19:04,100
We created our, you know, the website that we have for the police department, when we

1095
01:19:04,100 --> 01:19:08,740
have people ask about specific areas, we don't say this area is better than this area, we

1096
01:19:08,740 --> 01:19:14,400
say go to the website and it's within 24 hours it will show you what has occurred in that

1097
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:14,740
area.

1098
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:16,060
So it's real time.

1099
01:19:16,440 --> 01:19:19,660
They can look and make their own decisions based on-

1100
01:19:19,660 --> 01:19:20,500
People do ask you?

1101
01:19:20,540 --> 01:19:21,200
Yeah, they do.

1102
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:27,320
We get, when people move to the area they say, can you tell me what area is the

1103
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:31,160
best place to live. I said, well, it depends on what you want. I mean, this community is

1104
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:35,380
very different from one end to the other. And so we have these conversations and it's a

1105
01:19:35,380 --> 01:19:39,840
nice tool that we can point them there and they can actually go online and it's right

1106
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:40,540
under our...

1107
01:19:40,540 --> 01:19:46,200
Or maybe that explains it, you know, it's the information age with instant access to

1108
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:50,560
all sorts of information on the internet. And that's a perfect example. There are

1109
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:56,120
websites where you are providing information in real time that people can access on

1110
01:19:56,120 --> 01:20:00,180
their own without having to go through a middle person

1111
01:20:00,180 --> 01:20:02,580
and create a narrative around the community

1112
01:20:02,580 --> 01:20:04,840
that can actually see the doubt for themselves

1113
01:20:04,840 --> 01:20:07,220
and make their own decisions about the narrative

1114
01:20:07,220 --> 01:20:08,000
of the community.

1115
01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:12,900
But we had huge pushback 15 years ago on the reality

1116
01:20:12,900 --> 01:20:15,920
of, you know, and a narrative that was being created

1117
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:18,160
to hide a real situation.

1118
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,280
Yeah, I don't remember specific things that happened,

1119
01:20:21,420 --> 01:20:23,980
but I had kids in school at that time,

1120
01:20:23,980 --> 01:20:28,980
And I do remember kind of the feeling of hushing, hushing us.

1121
01:20:29,200 --> 01:20:29,680
It was a big hush.

1122
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:30,880
It was a big hush.

1123
01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:33,940
Well, there was that study done, which was kids here don't do it.

1124
01:20:34,160 --> 01:20:36,780
You know, I mean, and there was, I mean, it came out,

1125
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,920
and it was basically just a sales pitch of how,

1126
01:20:39,140 --> 01:20:40,320
really, there isn't a problem here.

1127
01:20:41,900 --> 01:20:42,820
I'm concerned about the narrative.

1128
01:20:43,100 --> 01:20:46,600
I think dead kids probably give you the worst narrative down.

1129
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:46,940
Right.

1130
01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:48,620
What do you think program plays?

1131
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:52,280
And it really is a human awareness about this.

1132
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:55,600
So we know it's been in our community for a long time.

1133
01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:01,380
I told you before I've got a spectrum of five kids of 21 years between them.

1134
01:21:01,900 --> 01:21:06,240
And it's, you know, for the most part all of them have seen drugs

1135
01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:08,880
throughout their middle school and high school.

1136
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,940
Less so of the elementary school syndrome.

1137
01:21:12,540 --> 01:21:17,720
But they'll all tell you, you know, that the drugs are so much more lethal now.

1138
01:21:18,460 --> 01:21:24,940
I think that's the other thing that's been a realization because, I mean, I certainly,

1139
01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:31,580
we have to all parent our children, but the level, you know, the way marijuana is now versus

1140
01:21:31,580 --> 01:21:38,560
how it was 20 years ago, it's a totally different drug, and I think that that's something that

1141
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:40,820
not a lot of our parents realize.

1142
01:21:41,700 --> 01:21:47,440
I think the synthetic marijuana now is so potent, which isn't even the same thing.

1143
01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:51,180
A lot of people don't realize there's marijuana than there's synthetic marijuana,

1144
01:21:51,320 --> 01:21:57,800
which has really adverse effects on young people, on everybody.

1145
01:21:58,260 --> 01:22:02,500
I want to talk about the comment that you made, Amber,

1146
01:22:02,660 --> 01:22:05,960
about the opportunity to actually change the culture of the community,

1147
01:22:05,960 --> 01:22:08,240
because that's where I'm going with this.

1148
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:14,920
15 years ago, the community didn't want to have a discussion about the reality of the

1149
01:22:14,920 --> 01:22:20,040
culture of the community. And now we lost. Now we're in a position where for whatever

1150
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:29,040
reason, internet, events, the type of drugs that are prevalent, we're willing to have

1151
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:33,440
that conversation and dialogue. So I feel like that's a great opportunity.

1152
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:39,640
I think parents and the community are expecting us to do something.

1153
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:49,540
I think that's something too, I mean some of you may have read the article about the vandalism

1154
01:22:49,540 --> 01:22:55,240
and the very next contact I got was I'm going to go to the school to get some help.

1155
01:22:56,660 --> 01:22:58,460
And that's a really hard place for us.

1156
01:22:58,580 --> 01:23:02,240
I mean we are going to help our families, that's what we do, that's why we're there.

1157
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:11,040
But in the long run, we're not the hub of helping families get through these situations.

1158
01:23:11,300 --> 01:23:18,060
Well, it's not our wheelhouse. It's our intent. It's our intent to provide those supports for our families.

1159
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:26,980
But it's not what we do best. And so it would make sense to collaborate and get the people and the resources that do it best.

1160
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:29,840
So Rob, you want to share with us? Can we use it here?

1161
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:30,620
Yeah, certainly.

1162
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:33,880
And you were going to talk about Tuala, I mean, are you going to talk about that?

1163
01:23:35,440 --> 01:23:37,940
So just by way of introduction, I'm Rob Timmerman.

1164
01:23:38,100 --> 01:23:41,020
I work with the state's Partnerships for Success program.

1165
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:42,220
I'm a regional director.

1166
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,100
I work with Salt Lake, so many Tuala counties.

1167
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:46,560
And I'm happy to be here.

1168
01:23:46,640 --> 01:23:52,160
Thank you so much for letting me come up and talk a little bit about communities that care

1169
01:23:52,160 --> 01:23:56,960
and also kind of prevention and where we've come in prevention,

1170
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:02,860
how we get to community coalition models like the communities, the care model itself.

1171
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:09,580
And really quickly, in the prevention speak, I'll address kind of what you're getting at,

1172
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:11,740
is we call it readiness, community readiness.

1173
01:24:12,180 --> 01:24:14,180
Fifteen years ago, the community wasn't ready.

1174
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,220
I would say two or three years ago, the community wasn't ready.

1175
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:21,360
And oftentimes there are things that spark readiness.

1176
01:24:21,360 --> 01:24:28,160
And the triathletic center of the Colorado State University has studied this for years

1177
01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,240
and has come up with a readiness model.

1178
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:40,200
And I think as you look at where the community is in Park City now, certainly we're ready to start working.

1179
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:41,920
And that wasn't the case.

1180
01:24:42,860 --> 01:24:46,200
So a quick background.

1181
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:50,060
Thank you for the great segue on the research that's been done behind this.

1182
01:24:50,060 --> 01:24:52,340
And I do want to say that this is research-based.

1183
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:55,400
This is a way of looking at prevention much differently

1184
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:59,160
than many of us in the room grew up looking at prevention.

1185
01:24:59,900 --> 01:25:01,840
Just say no, it doesn't work.

1186
01:25:02,540 --> 01:25:04,300
The aid in the frying pan doesn't work.

1187
01:25:04,460 --> 01:25:05,740
Everybody remembers that commercial.

1188
01:25:06,360 --> 01:25:07,800
The stoners remember that commercial.

1189
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,980
Those that had problems with alcohol and drug abuse,

1190
01:25:11,180 --> 01:25:12,300
they remember those things.

1191
01:25:13,060 --> 01:25:17,100
But their environments led them down the roads

1192
01:25:17,100 --> 01:25:23,340
is where they chose to participate in what we like to call negative outcome behavior.

1193
01:25:24,040 --> 01:25:29,340
And so as we start looking at community prevention, as we start working on some of these things,

1194
01:25:29,640 --> 01:25:36,240
we are looking at outcomes. And the outcomes are we want our kids to be healthy and safe.

1195
01:25:36,580 --> 01:25:41,160
And so when things happen that our kids aren't healthy and safe, we call that a negative

1196
01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:45,660
outcome or a negative outcome behavior. So when we're talking about things like

1197
01:25:45,660 --> 01:25:52,420
alcohol use, underage drinking, or we're talking about some of the mental health issues that

1198
01:25:52,420 --> 01:25:57,340
were brought up, those are outcomes and those are things that we know that we can prevent

1199
01:25:57,340 --> 01:26:03,360
through this research and through this science. Really quickly, this model is based off of

1200
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:07,840
risk and protection. If I were to say to you, I'm not a part physician, but if

1201
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:12,260
I were to say to you, I can pretty much tell you the risk factors for heart disease,

1202
01:26:12,260 --> 01:26:16,860
right? You all could do that too, because we know them. They're ingrained in us. We

1203
01:26:16,860 --> 01:26:20,420
know that it's a set of nearly lifestyle. You don't exercise. If you have a family

1204
01:26:20,420 --> 01:26:26,060
history of heart disease, you're more likely to. And so the researchers of the

1205
01:26:26,060 --> 01:26:32,440
University of Washington, kind of for the first time, put prevention research

1206
01:26:32,440 --> 01:26:36,380
into that frame of the public health model. What are some of the things that

1207
01:26:36,380 --> 01:26:39,860
we know are risk factors? What are some of the things that we know can be

1208
01:26:39,860 --> 01:26:46,960
protection. And so that then kind of leads to, well, how do we implement that in our communities?

1209
01:26:47,180 --> 01:26:55,280
And so they develop the communities that care system. It is a five phase process, very much

1210
01:26:55,280 --> 01:27:00,660
you as a community in Park City are in the first phase. And that is this getting together,

1211
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:05,860
holding meetings, organizing, getting some people together, formulating relationships,

1212
01:27:05,860 --> 01:27:12,240
kind of starting to set, hey, we've got some things that we need to take care of in

1213
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:17,180
how we're going to do that. The next phase is involved training and

1214
01:27:17,180 --> 01:27:22,120
implementation and then evaluation. Again, there's five stages of that. I've got a

1215
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:27,900
video that I'll show which is which is quite helpful in kind of being an

1216
01:27:27,900 --> 01:27:32,920
introductory video to the communities that care process and I imagine you'll

1217
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:41,160
some questions after I show this video, but maybe I'll show the video, and that will help

1218
01:27:41,160 --> 01:27:45,060
you answer questions or formulate questions, and then I'm happy to answer some questions

1219
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:52,240
with that. So I think we've got this set to head up here.

1220
01:28:00,330 --> 01:28:01,450
I just have to adjust my

1221
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:24,000
It's

1222
01:28:30,430 --> 01:28:34,910
warm so deeply to how their young people, but they don't know how to go about it.

1223
01:28:35,130 --> 01:28:41,690
CDC shows you how to do it, gives you great tools so they can do it efficiently and effectively.

1224
01:28:42,230 --> 01:28:47,410
I think the communities care a lot and really have our community bring in a number of,

1225
01:28:47,410 --> 01:28:52,130
if you will, resources together to have a collective impact and reduce the amount.

1226
01:28:52,130 --> 01:28:56,910
Montmelo is a neighborhood in Denver's far northeast area.

1227
01:28:57,490 --> 01:29:00,650
Montmelo has historically been underserved.

1228
01:29:01,310 --> 01:29:02,970
Communities that care was chosen because,

1229
01:29:03,550 --> 01:29:06,210
well for many reasons, they have a space major behind it,

1230
01:29:06,230 --> 01:29:11,710
but also there is a requirement for a significant community involvement.

1231
01:29:12,210 --> 01:29:17,730
Community's care is a process for organizing all the stakeholders in the community

1232
01:29:17,730 --> 01:29:23,950
who care about young people around a common science-based framework to promote the healthy

1233
01:29:23,950 --> 01:29:29,750
development of young people by reducing knownness factors in the community, enhancing protective

1234
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:36,810
factors in the community, and using evidence-based programs and policies to achieve better outcomes

1235
01:29:36,810 --> 01:29:37,650
for young people.

1236
01:29:37,870 --> 01:29:44,610
When I saw CTC and the Research Foundation in a strong background that it had, I really

1237
01:29:44,610 --> 01:29:48,930
felt that this had a good chance of making a difference here in our community.

1238
01:30:16,290 --> 01:30:20,970
Community's the care is not a program. It's a process. It's a way to bring all the stakeholders

1239
01:30:20,970 --> 01:30:25,650
in the community together to make joint decisions based on their own data about what's going

1240
01:30:25,650 --> 01:30:29,890
to be important for the youth in their community. So when you look around my community, you

1241
01:30:29,890 --> 01:30:31,990
We may be surprised that we have any problems at all.

1242
01:30:32,130 --> 01:30:36,470
People are surprised to hear that we actually have pretty high rates of substance abuse.

1243
01:30:37,030 --> 01:30:42,410
If suicide, marijuana use in particular, what we found, we thought that the data we do indeed

1244
01:30:42,410 --> 01:30:46,810
have much higher rates than we would expect of those particular problem behaviors.

1245
01:30:47,210 --> 01:30:51,230
The reason I work for CTC is that it's a way to get ahead of the curve.

1246
01:30:51,470 --> 01:30:56,010
Instead of reacting to problems in kids after they happen and always being on the

1247
01:30:56,010 --> 01:31:01,250
cycle of reaction. It's a way for us to move upstream and get ahead of the problem so that

1248
01:31:01,250 --> 01:31:05,630
we can do things to strengthen communities and strengthen families, strengthen school

1249
01:31:05,630 --> 01:31:09,950
systems so we all do a better job raising our children and keeping them out of trouble

1250
01:31:09,950 --> 01:31:10,990
in the first place.

1251
01:31:11,330 --> 01:31:16,790
Communities in care helps communities choose the right programs and policies for their

1252
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:22,330
needs based on surveys of young people and based on data from the community. They

1253
01:31:22,330 --> 01:31:27,430
They then can choose evidence-based programs from a menu that have been set in perspective,

1254
01:31:27,630 --> 01:31:29,270
addressing very niche communities.

1255
01:31:29,810 --> 01:31:31,870
Music care really seeks to promote well-being.

1256
01:31:32,750 --> 01:31:38,250
And one of the things that I love about music care is it provides a strategy for doing that

1257
01:31:38,250 --> 01:31:39,590
called social development strategy.

1258
01:31:40,230 --> 01:31:43,630
It says if you provide young people meaningful opportunities to be involved,

1259
01:31:44,150 --> 01:31:46,370
and you teach them the skills to be successfully involved,

1260
01:31:46,830 --> 01:31:48,190
recognize them for their involvement,

1261
01:31:48,750 --> 01:31:51,150
they develop a stronger bond to that community.

1262
01:31:51,150 --> 01:31:56,470
going to have the standards and beliefs in place to promote healthy development,

1263
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:58,650
more likely to follow those standards.

1264
01:31:59,090 --> 01:32:03,590
An exciting finding from the Communities in Care randomized trial is that

1265
01:32:03,590 --> 01:32:09,830
communities using Communities in Care end up strengthening protection across the board.

1266
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:18,560
Communities in Care is a good investment for communities.

1267
01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:24,360
It produces $5.30 in benefits to communities for every dollar spent.

1268
01:32:24,900 --> 01:32:31,340
Because communities in care has been shown to prevent crime before it happens, to prevent smoking before it happens,

1269
01:32:31,900 --> 01:32:34,760
it reduces the cost associated with those problems.

1270
01:32:36,390 --> 01:32:36,740
The

1271
01:32:40,970 --> 01:32:46,690
best reason to use a community care system is because you know it will work.

1272
01:32:47,470 --> 01:32:50,090
The reason it will work is because there's science behind it.

1273
01:32:50,090 --> 01:32:51,310
that they've done their research like,

1274
01:32:51,410 --> 01:32:55,110
how about if you do X, Y, and Z, do you get A, B, and C?

1275
01:32:55,330 --> 01:32:56,710
I've been involved for 10 years.

1276
01:32:57,170 --> 01:32:58,850
I've seen that change happen.

1277
01:32:59,510 --> 01:33:00,850
But it doesn't come quickly.

1278
01:33:01,370 --> 01:33:02,650
And it comes with much effort.

1279
01:33:02,790 --> 01:33:05,830
It comes continuing to maintain and continuing to do

1280
01:33:05,830 --> 01:33:06,830
over and over again.

1281
01:33:07,070 --> 01:33:09,670
But the fact is, we're seeing results.

1282
01:33:19,940 --> 01:33:21,300
You mentioned Tawella.

1283
01:33:21,580 --> 01:33:24,020
And I'll say in here, they talk

1284
01:33:24,020 --> 01:33:27,180
about the randomized control trial.

1285
01:33:27,860 --> 01:33:31,320
Twila was actually a resource group, so they were part of the trial.

1286
01:33:31,420 --> 01:33:33,340
They were given the CTC model.

1287
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:40,960
Price Utah was part of the control group, and if I were to compare them to where they are at now,

1288
01:33:42,040 --> 01:33:44,760
it's night and day with some of the issues going on in price,

1289
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:47,420
and some of the successes that Twila has had.

1290
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:52,900
Twila has been using the CTC model for approximately 10 years.

1291
01:33:54,320 --> 01:34:00,940
Currently, they fund a full-time position and a part-time staff from their city budget.

1292
01:34:01,340 --> 01:34:06,240
It's a line item in their budget to fund those positions.

1293
01:34:07,020 --> 01:34:12,820
But then they also offer, through the city, they offer programming in classes

1294
01:34:12,820 --> 01:34:20,880
and also coordinate programming that is done in the Tuala Valley,

1295
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:24,060
but into a city itself, working with the school district

1296
01:34:24,060 --> 01:34:26,400
and working with other nonprofit groups out there

1297
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:28,800
that provide direct programming to kids.

1298
01:34:29,540 --> 01:34:32,120
And with that I'll say, so the communities that care program

1299
01:34:32,120 --> 01:34:34,240
is not a direct service program.

1300
01:34:34,880 --> 01:34:38,700
It is a way to coordinate the amazing efforts

1301
01:34:38,700 --> 01:34:40,580
that are going on in communities.

1302
01:34:40,760 --> 01:34:42,400
And so everybody's on the same page

1303
01:34:42,900 --> 01:34:45,300
with the same message and doing the same work.

1304
01:34:45,660 --> 01:34:47,460
And that's really vital to success

1305
01:34:48,100 --> 01:34:49,880
of community coalitions, is being

1306
01:34:49,880 --> 01:34:58,540
being able to have a center where there is an opportunity for resource sharing, for marketing

1307
01:34:58,540 --> 01:35:02,960
of a particular program, meeting the need of another program with a potential partner

1308
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:10,140
or a coalition member. And so the CTC very much becomes that kind of hub as they work

1309
01:35:10,140 --> 01:35:15,560
with community partners and coalition members in the community. Please.

1310
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:22,160
Well, you mentioned that Tuva has a line item and an employee out of the city budget.

1311
01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:27,140
And so are they considered the coordinator for the city?

1312
01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:27,760
Yes.

1313
01:35:28,460 --> 01:35:34,240
And in like Camden, Maine, that was an example there.

1314
01:35:34,500 --> 01:35:35,980
Is it, once again, the city?

1315
01:35:36,360 --> 01:35:41,440
Or is it, I just wonder, is that the...

1316
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:42,960
So a really good question.

1317
01:35:42,960 --> 01:35:48,480
And I can give you the varying structure here in the state of Utah.

1318
01:35:49,780 --> 01:35:53,740
There are, I always like to say communities.

1319
01:35:54,500 --> 01:35:56,700
So communities are involved in the CTC.

1320
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:00,540
Sometimes they are city driven, sometimes they

1321
01:36:00,540 --> 01:36:01,540
are school district driven.

1322
01:36:02,260 --> 01:36:06,080
Provo City School District just last summer

1323
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:07,720
started the CTC process.

1324
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:16,760
South Weaver County has a kind of a conglomerate for cities and

1325
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:24,020
all of them are pitching in. I saw one of the things that said five-town CTC town, five-town.

1326
01:36:24,380 --> 01:36:31,540
So that's, Camden is one of the five towns. They have a, they have a coordinator for

1327
01:36:31,540 --> 01:36:32,900
the five towns.

1328
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:34,120
Yes, yeah.

1329
01:36:35,140 --> 01:36:36,880
And throughout the state of Utah,

1330
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:39,620
some CTC projects are

1331
01:36:39,620 --> 01:36:41,540
driven by either

1332
01:36:41,540 --> 01:36:43,880
county or local substance abuse

1333
01:36:43,880 --> 01:36:45,880
authority, which loosely based on

1334
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:46,820
health

1335
01:36:47,540 --> 01:36:49,160
districts throughout the state.

1336
01:36:49,860 --> 01:36:51,280
Some of the county having its

1337
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:53,360
own, it is its own substance

1338
01:36:53,360 --> 01:36:55,480
abuse authority, but throughout

1339
01:36:55,480 --> 01:36:57,360
the state there's communities

1340
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:58,740
that work directly with

1341
01:36:59,580 --> 01:37:03,920
city, county, school districts, or private non-profit is the other one.

1342
01:37:05,280 --> 01:37:10,560
Before my current position, I was the director of the coalition in South Salt Lake,

1343
01:37:11,060 --> 01:37:13,900
down in Salt Lake County, and we were a private non-profit.

1344
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:18,620
So there's all sorts of models within.

1345
01:37:19,020 --> 01:37:23,800
There's all sorts of structures within, you know, kind of how CTC is operated.

1346
01:37:26,480 --> 01:37:32,880
Just to go to Wade's point, though, real quick, is on that CADFIT grant, you know, it's a $650

1347
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:33,420
grant.

1348
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:37,600
So if we can get ourselves to fill out this grant by February, March, or whatever it is.

1349
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:38,460
I don't know what the date says.

1350
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:39,260
Something like that.

1351
01:37:39,340 --> 01:37:40,180
It's usually on your February.

1352
01:37:40,420 --> 01:37:41,260
March is on your March.

1353
01:37:41,620 --> 01:37:44,800
You know, there's a huge opportunity there to bring a lot of funding in.

1354
01:37:44,980 --> 01:37:49,460
And the great part is, you know, we have a lot of these pieces in place already.

1355
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:50,820
They're just kind of all over the place.

1356
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,780
And when we have a great team council, we have the leaders for life.

1357
01:37:53,780 --> 01:38:00,520
And, you know, we have the bully coalition, which is already 501c3, and we have a lot of these pieces that are needed for this grant.

1358
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:04,960
It's really a matter of having somebody kind of pull them all together, you know, getting it in there.

1359
01:38:05,300 --> 01:38:12,620
And then putting them into, you know, a model like this and getting us on our way, because they're all kind of working on their own.

1360
01:38:13,020 --> 01:38:15,720
They're working, but, you know, there's a way to push them all together.

1361
01:38:16,300 --> 01:38:19,220
That's the hardest part, is the communication and the messaging.

1362
01:38:19,220 --> 01:38:20,160
Yeah.

1363
01:38:20,540 --> 01:38:24,860
And to your point, you know, sitting in the meetings that Emerson's pulled together with

1364
01:38:24,860 --> 01:38:29,880
these community leaders, it's obvious everybody wants to do something, or is already doing

1365
01:38:29,880 --> 01:38:30,360
something.

1366
01:38:30,840 --> 01:38:36,260
Like, our council has talked about what is our role here, and how do we connect in with

1367
01:38:36,260 --> 01:38:40,120
all of this, and there's talk about readiness.

1368
01:38:40,460 --> 01:38:44,180
This group is really ready to jump in there, but there's no hub, there's no central

1369
01:38:44,180 --> 01:38:59,200
to get people out of their silos, talking with each other, and so whatever told me about this program, I thought that makes perfect sense because we've got people ready and willing to do something but nobody to tell them how that's going to fit into the big picture.

1370
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:07,440
Can you tell us a little bit more about how the program works and what's involved in the different stages that you mentioned? We're in like the collaboration stage.

1371
01:39:07,440 --> 01:39:13,900
What kind of training and implementation is involved and what really does the program look like in a community?

1372
01:39:14,220 --> 01:39:19,140
Okay. Yeah, sure. So again, this is very much phase one. There's five phases.

1373
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:21,620
Phase two moves into

1374
01:39:22,440 --> 01:39:28,460
training. And so one of the first things that's done is there is what's called a key leader orientation.

1375
01:39:29,460 --> 01:39:30,820
Key leaders are

1376
01:39:32,580 --> 01:39:34,980
it says it right there, a key leader in your community.

1377
01:39:35,260 --> 01:39:39,460
And so as a few people start working together

1378
01:39:39,460 --> 01:39:41,660
and start formulating and coming together,

1379
01:39:42,940 --> 01:39:45,940
that's known as kind of the core work group.

1380
01:39:46,500 --> 01:39:49,040
And in each core work group, there's usually a catalyst.

1381
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:51,740
There's usually someone that's spurring on the effort.

1382
01:39:54,300 --> 01:39:56,540
That's, again, that's kind of what's going on here

1383
01:39:56,540 --> 01:39:58,160
is that form.

1384
01:39:58,160 --> 01:40:03,080
I mean, from that key leader or from that core work group,

1385
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:06,760
they start identifying key leaders and actually make

1386
01:40:06,760 --> 01:40:09,000
agreements, formal agreements with those key leaders.

1387
01:40:09,500 --> 01:40:12,660
Those key leaders then become what you can kind of look at

1388
01:40:12,660 --> 01:40:16,860
as an executive board that help drive and make decisions.

1389
01:40:17,670 --> 01:40:22,480
It could be anywhere from financial oversight to HR,

1390
01:40:22,840 --> 01:40:26,320
that's the body that the potential coordinator

1391
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:27,920
or facilitator would answer to.

1392
01:40:29,460 --> 01:40:34,420
And that key leader group, again, kind of very much

1393
01:40:34,420 --> 01:40:38,480
on an executable level, has oversight over in CTC language

1394
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:40,260
what is called a community board.

1395
01:40:41,300 --> 01:40:43,920
I use the term coalition because that's kind of more

1396
01:40:44,760 --> 01:40:45,440
acceptable.

1397
01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:48,200
That community board becomes the coalition.

1398
01:40:48,540 --> 01:40:54,340
So that consists of the pastor from the local church

1399
01:40:54,340 --> 01:41:01,740
and the director of the Boys and Girls Club and the principal of the high school as to

1400
01:41:01,740 --> 01:41:06,680
where the superintendent may be one of those key leaders on the key leader board.

1401
01:41:07,440 --> 01:41:11,100
So a mayor may be a member of the key leader board.

1402
01:41:12,660 --> 01:41:14,320
Yeah, the key leader board, that's right.

1403
01:41:15,500 --> 01:41:21,960
And then, so down, so key leader, community board or coalition, and it's really these

1404
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:29,740
people that do the work. They're within that is the staff position that provides resources

1405
01:41:29,740 --> 01:41:37,240
and is very much a facilitator called a coordinator facilitator that does the work of the process

1406
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:42,760
of the communities of the care. So what I'm describing now is what's called phase two.

1407
01:41:42,960 --> 01:41:49,440
It's kind of a training phase of training members of the community on the science

1408
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:55,960
prevention and how and why we know what works in prevention works. Using the risk-protective

1409
01:41:55,960 --> 01:42:02,420
factor model, kind of getting that to be the basic level of understanding if we reduce the

1410
01:42:02,420 --> 01:42:06,660
risk that's going on in our community, we're going to have better outcomes. Our kids are

1411
01:42:06,660 --> 01:42:11,100
going to be less involved in those negative outcome behaviors. Adding protection, using

1412
01:42:11,100 --> 01:42:15,500
the social development strategy. And I like this video that it shows that. We talked

1413
01:42:15,500 --> 01:42:20,580
about the culture, a culture change that we, there has been, there is a shift, and there

1414
01:42:20,580 --> 01:42:25,100
needs to be a greater culture change. So we do that through the social development strategy.

1415
01:42:26,260 --> 01:42:34,660
Then we start talking about in phase three data, collecting data, analyzing data, collecting

1416
01:42:35,280 --> 01:42:39,780
information on the resources that are available within our community, and then finding out

1417
01:42:39,780 --> 01:42:44,220
where the gaps in our community. That's done in phase three, and that ends up with

1418
01:42:45,100 --> 01:42:50,500
amazing reports that literally can hand it out to stakeholders in the community

1419
01:42:50,500 --> 01:42:54,900
to say we know exactly what's going on in our community and we know how to fix it

1420
01:42:54,900 --> 01:42:59,680
and we know we have the resources and we also know that there's some gaps and so

1421
01:42:59,680 --> 01:43:03,940
there there may be some programming or some policy gaps that we as a community

1422
01:43:03,940 --> 01:43:08,440
need to adopt whether that is direct programming through using the coal

1423
01:43:08,440 --> 01:43:13,800
which is part of the member providing a direct life skill building curriculum

1424
01:43:13,800 --> 01:43:23,400
them to kids, giving kids safe places to go, safe, safe events and opportunities to, are

1425
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:27,900
there policy issues that you might need to look at as a body of policy leader? That's

1426
01:43:27,900 --> 01:43:30,060
something that you can have direct effect on.

1427
01:43:30,240 --> 01:43:37,680
You, in the video, had also said that from the communities that carry, you can choose

1428
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:42,440
the tool that will fit your community.

1429
01:43:42,440 --> 01:43:51,260
Exactly. So the tools are providing events for students or safe places for students? Are those the tools?

1430
01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:54,380
Or providing education to students?

1431
01:43:55,080 --> 01:44:02,840
So through the process, it would drive you to evidence-based programs, policies and procedures.

1432
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:11,840
So, an evidence-based programs would be like a Botvin's Life Skills, which is a, probably

1433
01:44:12,460 --> 01:44:18,520
one of the best substance abuse and other anti-social behavior or negative outcome programs.

1434
01:44:18,800 --> 01:44:25,300
It's on national registries that communities in the care model will point you to what's

1435
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:30,980
called Blueprints programs as a national registry of tested and effective programs.

1436
01:44:30,980 --> 01:44:37,460
And so that's on one hand you have programs of things that you'll actually provide to the youth of the community.

1437
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:43,780
Then on the other hand you'll have those practices and policies that you'll be able to change.

1438
01:44:44,140 --> 01:44:50,240
So a quick example of, and I use this one because it's really easy to get tobacco tax.

1439
01:44:50,420 --> 01:44:59,520
If we increase the tax on tobacco, we will lower the availability of teams that don't have money.

1440
01:44:59,520 --> 01:44:59,920
Please.

1441
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,720
To purchase or adult populations that have money being super shopped on their folding lower,

1442
01:45:05,140 --> 01:45:08,060
or I'm sorry, that tobacco they're folding lower, tobacco use.

1443
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:12,600
Is there something that's available to us in Utah on a city basis?

1444
01:45:13,280 --> 01:45:16,260
Certainly you look at ordinances that you've got as a city,

1445
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:22,380
and you certainly have opportunity to talk about tobacco.

1446
01:45:22,700 --> 01:45:23,480
You certainly can.

1447
01:45:25,700 --> 01:45:28,200
New York City has the highest tobacco tax in the country,

1448
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:30,140
and it's something that was done at the same level.

1449
01:45:30,420 --> 01:45:32,240
I know, it is a different state, can you?

1450
01:45:32,260 --> 01:45:34,240
Yeah, but yes, within the state of Utah,

1451
01:45:34,400 --> 01:45:35,200
you certainly can't do that.

1452
01:45:35,260 --> 01:45:42,060
And you can do that through zoning ordinances, zoning out

1453
01:45:42,060 --> 01:45:44,520
head shops, tobacco, specialty shops.

1454
01:45:47,440 --> 01:45:49,620
There's all sorts of policies that

1455
01:45:49,620 --> 01:45:51,580
are science-based, that are evidence-based,

1456
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:55,300
that work to reduce availability,

1457
01:45:55,300 --> 01:46:01,340
work to reduce some of the other risk factors that we'll talk about within the risk-protecting

1458
01:46:01,340 --> 01:46:01,760
model.

1459
01:46:03,320 --> 01:46:08,380
From phase three, that gets you into the planning phase, which is phase four.

1460
01:46:08,900 --> 01:46:13,080
And that is, okay, so now we've got all this great information, what are we going to do?

1461
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:21,300
And the process will drive you through coming up with a community plan, and that will

1462
01:46:21,300 --> 01:46:27,740
will include implementing or calling for implementation of programs, practices and policies.

1463
01:46:28,120 --> 01:46:35,320
Phase 5 then obviously is we institute and we do the work of the coalition in our community.

1464
01:46:36,140 --> 01:46:41,260
A lot of that implementation comes in evaluation piece making sure that what we are deciding

1465
01:46:41,260 --> 01:46:46,040
to do when implementing is community is working and if it's not we'll make adjustments

1466
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:46,500
to that.

1467
01:46:46,580 --> 01:46:50,660
So I'd like to share a couple things because I know we all will go back and do some

1468
01:46:50,660 --> 01:46:56,120
research of our own. So communities that CARES has their own website, communitiesthatcare.net

1469
01:46:56,660 --> 01:47:03,120
and the University of Washington in their social work has a huge amount of research that's

1470
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:09,020
down around the programs. I would also like to say that I've had a lot of different

1471
01:47:09,020 --> 01:47:14,960
entities in Park City throughout the county come and say, financially what can we do

1472
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:20,180
to get this started? We don't have a funding to keep this long term, so we need to

1473
01:47:20,180 --> 01:47:24,240
talk about long-term ways for the facilitator of a communities that care

1474
01:47:25,100 --> 01:47:29,700
framework but I know that we have some at least a little bit of support

1475
01:47:29,700 --> 01:47:36,820
financially in other entities and nonprofits. So the five-step process you're

1476
01:47:36,820 --> 01:47:40,900
talking about is delineated in the website or on the communities that care

1477
01:47:40,900 --> 01:47:46,220
website? I'm certainly having to send out links if that makes it easier as

1478
01:47:46,220 --> 01:47:49,640
Well, within the state of Utah, the state of Utah actually

1479
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:52,760
has a contract with the indigenous and Washington

1480
01:47:52,760 --> 01:47:54,740
folks, the social development research group

1481
01:47:54,740 --> 01:47:56,940
folks, that do the CTC.

1482
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:00,940
And with that, Park City is already

1483
01:48:00,940 --> 01:48:02,760
slated underneath that contract.

1484
01:48:03,400 --> 01:48:06,400
What that will give essentially the community

1485
01:48:06,400 --> 01:48:09,160
in whatever form, if it's the city, school district,

1486
01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,800
Summit County, private nonprofit, whatever

1487
01:48:11,800 --> 01:48:14,780
the community decides, what that will do

1488
01:48:14,780 --> 01:48:20,560
is allowed for a match of up to $10,000 for three years, but the state will give

1489
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:26,140
back to the community. And again, that's to whatever entity makes the contract with

1490
01:48:26,140 --> 01:48:34,540
the state. Within that contract is the is the coaching that's provided to

1491
01:48:34,540 --> 01:48:39,240
communities on how to walk through the five-step process. So the

1492
01:48:39,240 --> 01:48:46,660
the facilitator of the coalition, the facilitator of the CTC itself, will get hands-on training

1493
01:48:46,660 --> 01:48:52,300
within the state structure. We're creating water coaches within the state structure,

1494
01:48:52,600 --> 01:48:58,220
and those coaches have direct access to the Center for Incubation Care at the University

1495
01:48:58,220 --> 01:49:05,500
of Washington. The University of Washington will send folks to help do the original

1496
01:49:05,500 --> 01:49:11,180
key leader orientation and throughout we'll be participating so you'll get kind of a

1497
01:49:11,180 --> 01:49:20,060
hands-on, hands-on coaching and technical assistance from the USCGC with the

1498
01:49:20,060 --> 01:49:24,000
agreement from the state and again there's a $10,000 match right there.

1499
01:49:24,020 --> 01:49:27,440
So the main cost then is the salary and benefits of each facilitator?

1500
01:49:27,680 --> 01:49:28,040
Exactly.

1501
01:49:28,940 --> 01:49:32,820
And eventually when we have a staff which is, and I, you know, again if we invest in a

1502
01:49:32,820 --> 01:49:37,640
grant writer as well, you know, we have an amazing opportunity to get this CAPCA grant,

1503
01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:39,980
which could, you know, keep avoiding any of that idea.

1504
01:49:40,620 --> 01:49:46,520
So, you know, I operated the DFC Coalition in Los Angeles.

1505
01:49:46,660 --> 01:49:49,320
So I had the DFC grant, drug-free community grant, is what it is about.

1506
01:49:50,760 --> 01:49:55,760
And the past two years I've actually, with the DFC program, I've been a grant reviewer

1507
01:49:55,760 --> 01:50:01,040
and have seen 16 different applications for the DFC grant itself.

1508
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:14,140
And it's very clear and very easy to tell because I know the process of a CTC coalition in writing for that grant.

1509
01:50:14,540 --> 01:50:27,100
And in my opinion, the CTC model puts you in mind with that grant, probably unlike anything else, other than the actual training that once you receive the DFC,

1510
01:50:27,100 --> 01:50:32,180
that you'll get from the Community Network Coalition for America through their Coalition

1511
01:50:32,180 --> 01:50:34,200
Institute, which is a contract that they have.

1512
01:50:34,820 --> 01:50:38,840
So it's, the CTC very much puts communities in line.

1513
01:50:40,020 --> 01:50:46,200
Bonneville CTC is the South River County CTC that I mentioned earlier.

1514
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:55,000
They are a DSC grant recipient, they are a CTC coalition, and they are one of three

1515
01:50:55,000 --> 01:51:00,520
other DSC coalitions in the state right now. So the DSC program is kind of near

1516
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:03,020
here in my heart and I would love for more DSCs throughout the state.

1517
01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:08,880
Please, a couple of weeks ago Rich Bollig gave me a call to let me know that the

1518
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:13,060
results of the behavioral help assessment, needs assessment that we've been

1519
01:51:13,060 --> 01:51:16,800
talking about for so long are available. So he and I got together to

1520
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:21,020
talk a little bit more about that and they're going to be given to the

1521
01:51:21,020 --> 01:51:29,340
Summit County Council and then he's going to be here with us on December 1st in a study

1522
01:51:29,340 --> 01:51:33,280
session to go over the needs, the results of that needs assessment.

1523
01:51:34,560 --> 01:51:40,500
He was really excited to hear about the community sick care and so he met with three of us

1524
01:51:41,160 --> 01:51:46,940
and is really excited about it because he feels it dovetails really nicely with the needs

1525
01:51:46,940 --> 01:51:52,680
assessment results, because communities that care would be the prevention aspect of it.

1526
01:51:53,140 --> 01:51:57,960
And then the needs assessment shows where we need to implement services immediately.

1527
01:51:58,700 --> 01:52:03,300
So he's, he was sorry he couldn't be here today, but he had to go backpacking instead.

1528
01:52:04,860 --> 01:52:06,280
Does he have really good braidsmen?

1529
01:52:06,740 --> 01:52:07,580
Yeah, exactly.

1530
01:52:07,900 --> 01:52:08,120
Exactly.

1531
01:52:08,500 --> 01:52:10,740
But he's very supportive of this effort.

1532
01:52:10,860 --> 01:52:11,000
Yeah.

1533
01:52:11,320 --> 01:52:11,760
Let's see why.

1534
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:13,160
That's very exciting.

1535
01:52:13,480 --> 01:52:15,420
That brings up a question I had.

1536
01:52:15,420 --> 01:52:20,980
So our community obviously stretches well beyond the city boundaries and certainly we're talking school district-wide

1537
01:52:20,980 --> 01:52:23,020
But does it make sense to look at this?

1538
01:52:23,820 --> 01:52:26,400
Countywide or is that biting off too much at this point?

1539
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:29,320
Rich is going to have implementation

1540
01:52:30,240 --> 01:52:34,280
Countywide but the behavioral needs assessment. So I don't know I can't speak in the business

1541
01:52:34,280 --> 01:52:39,720
You know, that's a really good question names for part of that. I would refer to

1542
01:52:40,420 --> 01:52:41,460
environmental health

1543
01:52:42,260 --> 01:52:49,340
as their prevention program, they work currently with the entire county and had contacts with

1544
01:52:49,340 --> 01:52:53,820
the South Summit and North Summit as well. I think then you get to the right mis-issue

1545
01:52:53,820 --> 01:53:02,660
again, I think, and only what I know in working with Valenansel, is there are some issues

1546
01:53:02,660 --> 01:53:08,700
issues in North Summit that were similar here several years ago.

1547
01:53:10,600 --> 01:53:18,620
But the great thing about the CTC is it's community driven and so if you as a county decide that

1548
01:53:19,940 --> 01:53:25,600
it's your county that you want to include in this, then that's what you get to do.

1549
01:53:25,740 --> 01:53:31,540
And if you decide that it's Park City, we feel that we in Park City have resources

1550
01:53:31,540 --> 01:53:34,580
is available and where it is now, it's certainly going to be Park City.

1551
01:53:36,200 --> 01:53:42,720
So it seems like given the demographics and the population growth, the participation in

1552
01:53:42,720 --> 01:53:49,000
the county, that a broader scale is the appropriate approach, but what do you all think about that?

1553
01:53:49,020 --> 01:53:54,460
Well, it's hard to say to the other people in the county, I think they would resent

1554
01:53:54,460 --> 01:53:59,280
us, you know, that's a Park City problem. I don't know that they're ready for it,

1555
01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:01,600
But we could certainly, maybe they are.

1556
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,520
And then I'd be just assuming that they're not ready for it.

1557
01:54:04,620 --> 01:54:06,900
Well, I think at least broadening the discussion

1558
01:54:06,900 --> 01:54:08,660
to the inquisition.

1559
01:54:08,700 --> 01:54:09,760
I don't think that they're not ready for it.

1560
01:54:10,020 --> 01:54:13,340
I'm finding that certainly the leadership on this side

1561
01:54:13,340 --> 01:54:17,360
is much more receptive to things that I thought

1562
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:18,920
would be coming in four years ago.

1563
01:54:19,020 --> 01:54:19,160
Right.

1564
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:24,730
I think the challenge is not knowing as much

1565
01:54:24,730 --> 01:54:26,670
about the program itself and how it's structured.

1566
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:33,510
We have a bit of a far-fetched one county, we've got 30 miles in one way and 15,000 miles.

1567
01:54:34,230 --> 01:54:38,730
But differently, we're putting in place the programs that are in the community.

1568
01:54:38,950 --> 01:54:41,050
I mean, it seems to be something that is based on them.

1569
01:54:41,450 --> 01:54:47,390
I don't know how we separate out the others before we can actually accomplish one person.

1570
01:54:47,890 --> 01:54:50,930
But again, that's going to be a good test for who just doesn't know.

1571
01:54:51,430 --> 01:55:00,270
And to that end, one of the suggestions that we'd like to make, our council is meeting jointly with the Summit County Council and the School Board in December.

1572
01:55:00,990 --> 01:55:07,290
And we'd like to suggest that this topic be put on the agenda for a discussion when we're all together.

1573
01:55:07,290 --> 01:55:08,910
If you're up there.

1574
01:55:08,990 --> 01:55:14,330
Maybe we could get somebody from South Summit.

1575
01:55:15,770 --> 01:55:21,630
I've had, you know, I can, we have a really close peer group within the superintendents,

1576
01:55:21,830 --> 01:55:28,950
and I've had many conversations with both South Summit, North Summit, and also he was a little bit different,

1577
01:55:29,190 --> 01:55:36,350
but I know South Summit would be very open and in need of this.

1578
01:55:36,350 --> 01:55:40,570
I mean, there was a suicide there about three years ago that was, you know,

1579
01:55:40,590 --> 01:55:45,690
involved a young, a young one in, so I, you know, and they are very close to us.

1580
01:55:46,690 --> 01:55:49,330
North Summit's a little bit different, but at the same time, you know,

1581
01:55:49,350 --> 01:55:50,770
they're starting to see some of the same issues.

1582
01:55:51,390 --> 01:55:55,710
Well, we can do it like with Leaders for Life, I mean, we, we open that up to

1583
01:55:56,210 --> 01:55:58,730
North and South Summit. We don't see much.

1584
01:55:59,030 --> 01:56:00,970
And then it's the same with the Teen Council that's here.

1585
01:56:01,110 --> 01:56:03,930
I mean, those are open to North and South Summit and even Wasatch County.

1586
01:56:03,930 --> 01:56:06,690
And we don't see much, but we see some coming.

1587
01:56:06,890 --> 01:56:11,010
I mean, so that might be, you know, we go down our path, but we're open, you know, for

1588
01:56:11,010 --> 01:56:13,270
if they approach us to include them.

1589
01:56:13,570 --> 01:56:14,570
I mean, that would be my take.

1590
01:56:15,330 --> 01:56:17,970
And we could open that up more and we could push that harder.

1591
01:56:18,130 --> 01:56:22,830
We were more worried about servicing our own kids and make sure we had enough slots

1592
01:56:22,830 --> 01:56:27,290
so we could really market it that direction, but we could do that.

1593
01:56:28,530 --> 01:56:33,510
Well, you may want to throw that to observe how it starts to tend to be over here.

1594
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:37,750
I'd say it's something that could be scaled and inscribed out.

1595
01:56:37,990 --> 01:56:41,750
Let's just say leaving it open and make an opt-in opt-out, but hopefully opt-in.

1596
01:56:42,210 --> 01:56:46,210
My concern is hanging this on the school district and school districts.

1597
01:56:46,530 --> 01:56:48,850
And I know that that's something you can't do now.

1598
01:56:50,210 --> 01:56:51,870
Well, that's why it's a concern.

1599
01:56:53,470 --> 01:56:59,830
The easy way to scale something is to go from Harksy School District to North Summit to South Summit,

1600
01:56:59,970 --> 01:57:01,430
and then often the other school districts.

1601
01:57:01,950 --> 01:57:11,890
But we're trying to separate this out and make it more a non-school, purely school or school-related issue

1602
01:57:11,890 --> 01:57:16,250
and call it out for what it is, which is a cultural community issue.

1603
01:57:16,250 --> 01:57:20,390
And if we're going to shut the culture of the community, we can't continually scape

1604
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:25,050
out of the school district for schools, or a school, or school children with the issue.

1605
01:57:25,850 --> 01:57:27,570
So that's going to be a fine line.

1606
01:57:27,870 --> 01:57:31,110
And I want to go back to the question that you said asked me previously.

1607
01:57:31,430 --> 01:57:32,750
You know, have we had any pushback?

1608
01:57:33,290 --> 01:57:34,590
I've had one ugly call.

1609
01:57:34,770 --> 01:57:38,250
But for the rest of it, we've had the business actually calling me and saying,

1610
01:57:38,330 --> 01:57:39,530
what can we do to help?

1611
01:57:40,190 --> 01:57:43,650
And, you know, the businesses are the employers of our community.

1612
01:57:43,650 --> 01:57:48,570
And so it really, that has not been the case, and I see someone in the back right there,

1613
01:57:48,690 --> 01:57:54,330
Dean Davis, who's been a tremendous partner with us at the hospital from the very beginning.

1614
01:57:54,570 --> 01:57:56,810
And so it's not just, you know, it's not just the school.

1615
01:57:56,930 --> 01:58:02,950
It really is all of our medical entities and our behavioral health entities and our businesses.

1616
01:58:04,010 --> 01:58:06,330
Yeah, so let's be aware of that.

1617
01:58:06,330 --> 01:58:12,030
careful because I mean I have to say when we have these meetings and school board

1618
01:58:12,030 --> 01:58:18,910
members come in there automatically there's this perception that the school

1619
01:58:18,910 --> 01:58:24,050
district is you know it's not deeply involved driving you know you can make

1620
01:58:24,050 --> 01:58:29,090
all sorts of assumptions that you don't want to be real clear on the narrative

1621
01:58:29,090 --> 01:58:33,450
and how we present this and how we engage the communities or the broader

1622
01:58:52,530 --> 01:58:57,730
I think one of the issues of how the district is pulling this is similar to the police department.

1623
01:58:57,730 --> 01:59:03,830
and our kids are involved at that level and so, you know, with this issue with these kids

1624
01:59:03,830 --> 01:59:09,590
that passed away. Obviously, when we have just this most recent vandalism, we don't have

1625
01:59:09,590 --> 01:59:14,130
a history on the kids necessarily unless they've been on a radar, so I'll call Ember

1626
01:59:14,130 --> 01:59:18,410
and say, you know, these kids, you know, what's the tie in there, you know, the

1627
01:59:18,410 --> 01:59:24,750
parents, and so that automatically kind of sucks Ember on this and we'll kind

1628
01:59:24,750 --> 01:59:29,610
That goes back and forth, which is a great resource, but at the same time it's really

1629
01:59:29,610 --> 01:59:36,550
tough on resources because the district has been there and has provided a lot of the mental

1630
01:59:36,550 --> 01:59:37,330
health resources.

1631
01:59:37,990 --> 01:59:41,770
I think it's tapped them to a point where they really don't, they can't continue to

1632
01:59:41,770 --> 01:59:42,170
do it.

1633
01:59:42,270 --> 01:59:43,210
And I recognize that.

1634
01:59:43,990 --> 01:59:45,190
We'll do it as much as we can.

1635
01:59:45,190 --> 01:59:49,410
We really can't do it until the court gets involved and says, okay, the case has been

1636
01:59:49,410 --> 01:59:52,950
adjudicated and the judge orders some treatment.

1637
01:59:52,950 --> 01:59:57,950
So that's the other problem. So we have this delay in time that really hurts us.

1638
01:59:58,230 --> 01:59:58,590
Yes.

1639
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:06,940
Well, we want to thank you for your time. I said, no more pressing issue than this. It's

1640
02:00:06,940 --> 02:00:12,740
something that we're all going to be involved in, and we're all going to have to own. And

1641
02:00:12,740 --> 02:00:17,740
so we're not planning on just sticking it with the school board. We're going to be

1642
02:00:17,740 --> 02:00:22,580
engaged in, we'd love to continue these discussions. It's a great friend of

1643
02:00:22,580 --> 02:00:27,820
construction. I'm excited about that. So it was an easy help to that we held.

1644
02:00:28,760 --> 02:00:31,480
So, do you have any other questions you'd like to ask?

1645
02:00:31,960 --> 02:00:33,120
I guess, comments?

1646
02:00:33,680 --> 02:00:46,100
So, we are working with the school board in a sense, and I know there's an email that was sent out to the entire student body on their thoughts of drug-festing all of the athletes and the club members.

1647
02:00:46,460 --> 02:00:56,340
Would this be like a part of what we're doing here, or would we work with them to try a different method of helping the community decrease the numbers we're seeing?

1648
02:00:57,380 --> 02:01:02,040
It's one of the things that, with the survey that you're talking about, it continued to

1649
02:01:02,040 --> 02:01:04,400
say we need to have better education younger.

1650
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:08,780
And that's what I keep hearing, you know, starting at that fourth, fifth, sixth grade

1651
02:01:08,780 --> 02:01:13,420
around the facts, not just don't do it as bad, you know, what really are the long-term

1652
02:01:13,420 --> 02:01:14,120
consequences.

1653
02:01:14,560 --> 02:01:19,060
So, and I think that one of the things that's important is that each entity has

1654
02:01:19,060 --> 02:01:22,620
their own responsibility, you know, as a school district we would have our own

1655
02:01:22,620 --> 02:01:28,140
responsibility of prevention, as does the city, as does the county, as does, you know,

1656
02:01:28,280 --> 02:01:32,300
every single entity, and that's that cooperation and messaging.

1657
02:01:34,580 --> 02:01:44,000
I have a question for Maya. As a student, would an educational message carry any credibility

1658
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:50,300
with the students that you interact with if you were to learn, and it was new information

1659
02:01:50,300 --> 02:01:56,040
to you that your brain is developing until you're age 24, and any substance you underdress

1660
02:01:56,040 --> 02:02:03,560
whether it's coffee, alcohol, tobacco, drugs has an effect on you, the developmental process.

1661
02:02:03,740 --> 02:02:12,840
Would you just go, eh, or would that sort of message carry or influence any of the kids

1662
02:02:12,840 --> 02:02:13,780
that you interact with?

1663
02:02:13,780 --> 02:02:20,980
I think I think the actual topic would help a lot I know when I was in elementary school

1664
02:02:20,980 --> 02:02:27,320
One unit was drugs and not to use them. We got below like necklace that said, you know

1665
02:02:27,320 --> 02:02:33,540
Don't do drugs drugs are bad. That was about it. We were never told what it could do to us the effects of when we're older

1666
02:02:34,300 --> 02:02:35,980
Things like that so we developed

1667
02:02:36,940 --> 02:02:42,520
More and I think starting at younger to I know there's a certain amount of information that

1668
02:02:42,520 --> 02:02:48,520
that, you know, vibrators might not be able to comprehend at that time. But if we do start

1669
02:02:48,520 --> 02:02:50,660
it younger too, I think it would make a difference.

1670
02:02:51,820 --> 02:02:53,960
Great. Thanks for everything.

1671
02:02:55,980 --> 02:03:01,320
I think kids want to talk about this, by the way. I mean, I think if we give them the right

1672
02:03:01,320 --> 02:03:07,280
opportunities, and again, the drug testing is just, it's one tool of many, and we just

1673
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:11,040
put it out there and just kind of start the discussion. You know, we know education

1674
02:03:11,040 --> 02:03:15,160
and awareness is all kinds of different things, and it's a matter of figuring out which tools

1675
02:03:15,160 --> 02:03:20,080
we want to put in our box to be the most useful. I mean, I know we just did that snow before

1676
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:24,240
you go class for our seniors before they go off to college, and these were kids after

1677
02:03:24,240 --> 02:03:28,840
AP tests before graduation, so you know what seniors are like then. They're pretty checked

1678
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:34,120
out, and we had 40 percent of our seniors get signatures from parents to come back

1679
02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:38,680
and get, they had to opt in, 40 percent. I mean, that's pretty good for 18-year-olds

1680
02:03:38,680 --> 02:03:42,660
who are checked out. So kids, do you want to talk about all this stuff? We just have to

1681
02:03:42,660 --> 02:03:43,940
provide the forum for it.

1682
02:03:44,880 --> 02:03:45,980
That's true. That's true.

1683
02:03:46,940 --> 02:03:47,800
All right, thank you.

1684
02:03:47,800 --> 02:03:48,880
Thank you for your time, Leslie.

1685
02:03:49,500 --> 02:03:50,020
I really appreciate it.

1686
02:03:50,060 --> 02:03:53,340
We're going to take five minutes and then we're going to switch to the other end of the road.

1687
02:04:17,130 --> 02:04:19,450
Can I leave my glasses up there?

1688
02:04:20,430 --> 02:04:22,210
No, here they are.

1689
02:04:24,830 --> 02:04:26,750
I'm going to need to keep you on.

1690
02:04:34,270 --> 02:04:36,430
All right, we're going to get going here.

1691
02:04:37,510 --> 02:04:40,290
Welcome to the work session for November 3rd,

1692
02:04:40,310 --> 02:04:43,390
2016 of the Park City Council.

1693
02:04:43,390 --> 02:04:48,950
First on the agenda would be Council questions and comments. Who wants to go first?

1694
02:04:50,290 --> 02:04:50,810
Dan?

1695
02:04:59,720 --> 02:05:07,000
So I just want to start with the coffee with Council. Thank you so much to staff for organizing that and making it happen.

1696
02:05:07,640 --> 02:05:11,560
I know I was surprised and I think Tim was as well with the turnout.

1697
02:05:11,780 --> 02:05:18,480
We talked today before and kind of thought if we'd be lucky if we got 10 people there and staff estimated there were 50 plus.

1698
02:05:18,480 --> 02:05:26,440
And it was just a, it was a wonderful opportunity for us to share what's going on with the city.

1699
02:05:26,620 --> 02:05:31,040
I also hear people's concerns and what they're interested in and questions.

1700
02:05:31,640 --> 02:05:33,940
Do you want to add anything while we're talking about this?

1701
02:05:34,820 --> 02:05:35,300
No.

1702
02:05:35,840 --> 02:05:35,980
No.

1703
02:05:37,500 --> 02:05:37,980
Sure.

1704
02:05:38,520 --> 02:05:40,940
Linda, I had

1705
02:05:46,380 --> 02:05:49,820
several people come up afterwards and said that they were going to look for the schedule

1706
02:05:49,820 --> 02:05:52,360
online and that they wanted to attend all of them.

1707
02:05:52,360 --> 02:05:53,640
So that's exciting.

1708
02:05:53,940 --> 02:05:54,040
Good.

1709
02:05:55,000 --> 02:06:00,100
I attended the Arts Council Creative Conversations that they pulled together all the leaders

1710
02:06:00,100 --> 02:06:06,260
from the arts nonprofits. This was their first one. And they were hoping to do these on a regular

1711
02:06:06,260 --> 02:06:10,400
basis where they can define the Arts Council's role in the way that would be most helpful

1712
02:06:10,400 --> 02:06:17,020
to the arts nonprofits in town. I attended the JPAB meeting and was excited to learn

1713
02:06:17,020 --> 02:06:20,880
that our 12 new buses are here and they're wrapped. And so they're going to be online

1714
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:26,340
when we start the winter season. And the 6 electric buses have been ordered. They were

1715
02:06:26,340 --> 02:06:30,160
able to juggle some funding and make sure that we got six instead of the five buses.

1716
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:36,140
Driver recruitment is going better this year, but they still need more housing for the drivers.

1717
02:06:36,900 --> 02:06:41,840
And December 6, when we have our joint council meeting with Summit County, there'll be

1718
02:06:41,840 --> 02:06:49,120
the ribbon cutting on the new transit center at Campbell Junction. This morning

1719
02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:55,380
I attended the Affordable Child Care Early Childhood Collaborative Action Network meeting.

1720
02:06:56,020 --> 02:06:56,840
That's a mouthful.

1721
02:06:58,260 --> 02:06:59,280
Okay, I'm not going to.

1722
02:06:59,820 --> 02:07:07,120
So that group, first of all, is going to be developing a master plan for affordable child care in our community.

1723
02:07:07,580 --> 02:07:12,900
But I was excited to learn there that PCTANTS has identified some space for their satellite.

1724
02:07:13,420 --> 02:07:15,240
They're doing diligence on that now.

1725
02:07:16,280 --> 02:07:19,120
provided that it all checks out like it should.

1726
02:07:19,700 --> 02:07:22,380
They're thinking it could be built out in two to three months.

1727
02:07:23,080 --> 02:07:27,680
Judging from their waiting list, they're going to open that facility for zero to three.

1728
02:07:28,020 --> 02:07:38,620
Right now on their waiting list, for infants, they have 16 people waiting for slots for infants.

1729
02:07:39,020 --> 02:07:44,620
They have 10 waiting for slots for a one-year-old and 14 waiting for slots for two-year-olds.

1730
02:07:44,620 --> 02:07:50,100
So you can see that they're focusing their need on the younger kids rather than the three to five year old.

1731
02:07:50,340 --> 02:07:55,740
So anyway, and finally I just want to remind everyone, in case you've been hibernating for the last month

1732
02:07:55,740 --> 02:07:58,660
and haven't been reading your emails, tomorrow are starting tonight.

1733
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:00,800
At midnight is live PC, give PC.

1734
02:08:01,060 --> 02:08:03,800
So there's a great opportunity to support all the nonprofits in town.

1735
02:08:04,720 --> 02:08:05,260
That's it.

1736
02:08:06,140 --> 02:08:06,740
Thank you.

1737
02:08:21,160 --> 02:08:27,180
I got a little update on that this morning and they are doing it in a rolling

1738
02:08:27,180 --> 02:08:33,140
fashion. They're shutting down the home daycares as their units come up for

1739
02:08:34,280 --> 02:08:38,500
renovation or the lease comes up or something like that. So they're not doing it all at

1740
02:08:38,500 --> 02:08:43,480
once, but rather kind of on a rolling basis, which is easier than to help assimilate

1741
02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:48,140
the kids into other facilities, other care. But it's still an issue.

1742
02:08:48,140 --> 02:08:49,900
Do you know how many of them shut down?

1743
02:08:50,460 --> 02:08:51,460
I'm sorry, I know.

1744
02:08:52,680 --> 02:08:54,980
Could you all check to make sure your mic's around?

1745
02:08:57,880 --> 02:08:58,600
Thank you.

1746
02:09:05,700 --> 02:09:06,400
Go ahead.

1747
02:09:09,040 --> 02:09:12,120
I've got three that I'll just ditto off of what Nan said.

1748
02:09:12,380 --> 02:09:14,760
The Park City Summit County Arts Council discussion,

1749
02:09:15,080 --> 02:09:16,500
JTAB and Coffee with Council.

1750
02:09:16,960 --> 02:09:18,360
Three other meetings I went to.

1751
02:09:18,600 --> 02:09:21,860
Chamber Prospector Square Property Owners Association,

1752
02:09:21,860 --> 02:09:25,920
Recycle, Utah, but I don't have anything to report from those.

1753
02:09:26,200 --> 02:09:34,340
I wanted to point out that the newsletter just came out, and it's just an amazing review

1754
02:09:34,340 --> 02:09:37,820
of things that are happening in the city that are very positive.

1755
02:09:37,960 --> 02:09:39,620
I just wanted to highlight a couple of them.

1756
02:09:39,980 --> 02:09:43,420
The building department has a great story in there, and I think we're going to get

1757
02:09:43,420 --> 02:09:44,860
a staff report on that sometime.

1758
02:09:45,080 --> 02:09:48,720
They're not too distant future, so I won't spoil it, but it is in the newsletter,

1759
02:09:48,740 --> 02:09:50,100
so it's kind of spoiled anyway.

1760
02:09:50,100 --> 02:09:51,700
but some great recognition.

1761
02:09:52,340 --> 02:09:57,760
On Your Ground was recognized as a historic real estate department credentialed individual

1762
02:09:57,760 --> 02:09:59,440
and got some recognition there.

1763
02:09:59,540 --> 02:10:00,220
I thought that was great.

1764
02:10:00,800 --> 02:10:05,820
Summit Community Power Works in the Georgetown has blogs on different families and different

1765
02:10:05,820 --> 02:10:06,740
people around town.

1766
02:10:07,160 --> 02:10:12,200
Hugh Daniels got a FEMA national emergency recognition or graduated from their program.

1767
02:10:12,840 --> 02:10:17,100
Management executive committee or a very own chief carpenter of course was elected

1768
02:10:17,100 --> 02:10:23,240
Vice President at large for the International Association of Chiefs of Police, and they

1769
02:10:23,240 --> 02:10:28,980
schedule for the Council coffee or the Council outreaches in that newsletter as well.

1770
02:10:29,500 --> 02:10:36,440
In addition, I just wanted to say that we've had a number of issues that have come before

1771
02:10:36,440 --> 02:10:44,040
the city and have been addressed very quickly and very efficiently and I think very competently.

1772
02:10:44,040 --> 02:10:49,640
and I just wanted to call those out and recognize not necessarily the people individually, because

1773
02:10:49,640 --> 02:10:54,480
I'm not sure all of the people who were involved, but we had a situation over in Prospector

1774
02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:58,240
with some property lines that had to be resolved, that got resolved.

1775
02:10:58,740 --> 02:11:03,640
And I mention these things because it's not like we're sitting around with available

1776
02:11:03,640 --> 02:11:07,020
bandwidth or surplus bandwidth at the city staff.

1777
02:11:07,160 --> 02:11:10,880
So in order to do these things, there has to be a shift in priorities.

1778
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:16,960
and I was I'm extremely pleased at how the city responded to these three issues

1779
02:11:16,960 --> 02:11:21,480
maybe they're more than I'm not aware of but the the prospector issue with the

1780
02:11:21,480 --> 02:11:28,700
property lines the in lieu parking fee accusations that were made at the at the

1781
02:11:28,700 --> 02:11:33,200
coffee with council and have been made repeat repeatedly at different meetings

1782
02:11:33,200 --> 02:11:39,960
were addressed in a in a great way there was a tent a tent down in the

1783
02:11:39,960 --> 02:11:44,620
Clark Ranch property that was a hunting tent and an officer from the police

1784
02:11:44,620 --> 02:11:48,040
department as well as Heinrich and maybe even Stewie got involved in that

1785
02:11:48,040 --> 02:11:51,320
and that got resolved and there's a couple other things that came up but

1786
02:11:51,320 --> 02:11:55,760
again my point is that these came out of the blue and oh well Nate's letter

1787
02:11:55,760 --> 02:12:02,760
in response to some concerns about the city asking to put the 25 million

1788
02:12:02,760 --> 02:12:07,700
dollar Binance of Flats bond general obligation bond on the ballot and I

1789
02:12:07,700 --> 02:12:09,580
I thought that was a phenomenal response

1790
02:12:09,580 --> 02:12:10,520
with a lot of information.

1791
02:12:11,240 --> 02:12:13,060
And my point is that they get addressed,

1792
02:12:13,160 --> 02:12:15,220
they get addressed professionally, effectively.

1793
02:12:15,560 --> 02:12:19,040
It's great, it's great community engagement,

1794
02:12:19,380 --> 02:12:20,820
it's great customer service,

1795
02:12:21,260 --> 02:12:23,580
and it also provides us with data

1796
02:12:23,580 --> 02:12:26,600
that will inform our policy decisions going forward.

1797
02:12:26,720 --> 02:12:28,220
So I think on many, many levels

1798
02:12:28,220 --> 02:12:30,620
I just wanted to highlight those and say thank you.

1799
02:12:30,700 --> 02:12:32,120
Great, great, here, here.

1800
02:12:34,190 --> 02:12:37,370
Andy, nice work, Kim, covering all that.

1801
02:12:40,470 --> 02:12:48,390
Okay, relatively light week, Beck and I attended the CAS conference, the Colorado Area Ski Towns

1802
02:12:48,390 --> 02:12:55,730
in Pagosa Springs. And as always, it's interesting to go see what similar challenges other towns have.

1803
02:12:56,190 --> 02:13:01,130
The one thing that was particularly interesting though is I am pro snow, did a presentation there,

1804
02:13:01,490 --> 02:13:06,010
encouraging other towns to take the pledge that Aspen and Park City just did.

1805
02:13:06,010 --> 02:13:12,290
And then we gave a pitch to encourage them to do so as did the mayor of Aspen and I think we've got some other takers

1806
02:13:12,290 --> 02:13:18,310
We also brought one of the Moab council members along as a guest to the meeting and

1807
02:13:18,310 --> 02:13:23,910
By the end of that I think Moab is likely to sign the pledge as well. They're pretty excited about it

1808
02:13:23,910 --> 02:13:30,990
So it's the part of our commitment for this Georgetown prize is to reduce our own energy use and improve our efficiencies

1809
02:13:30,990 --> 02:13:33,770
But it's also to create a scalable and replicable model

1810
02:13:33,770 --> 02:13:36,570
So we are really trying to push this out here.

1811
02:13:36,730 --> 02:13:40,170
I believe it's in our actual resolution that we're going to try to encourage other towns.

1812
02:13:40,170 --> 02:13:42,010
So it was nice to get there.

1813
02:13:42,470 --> 02:13:43,690
And I don't know, Beck.

1814
02:13:43,830 --> 02:13:44,710
I thought it was well received.

1815
02:13:44,930 --> 02:13:45,990
People seemed really interested.

1816
02:13:46,450 --> 02:13:49,290
I think I've let up in the first part of it.

1817
02:13:49,430 --> 02:13:53,350
And then the other...

1818
02:13:53,350 --> 02:13:57,570
Yesterday I attended the Park City Area Lodging Association luncheon

1819
02:13:57,570 --> 02:14:00,430
and had a conversation with them.

1820
02:14:00,430 --> 02:14:07,610
They had asked me to speak about our upcoming issues on the ballot, Proposition 9 and 10,

1821
02:14:07,910 --> 02:14:12,290
as well as Bonanza Flats just to go in, and it was a Q&A, it wasn't any advocating.

1822
02:14:12,610 --> 02:14:14,110
But they had some questions.

1823
02:14:14,550 --> 02:14:20,690
And then we talked about some broader issues in terms of the city's critical priorities,

1824
02:14:21,990 --> 02:14:27,790
some talk about events, which we're going to hear more of today, and then also a

1825
02:14:27,790 --> 02:14:34,450
discussion on the VRBOs and the Airbnb's in the world and at the end of that it sort of

1826
02:14:34,890 --> 02:14:39,290
spurred them to action and they want to be, they want to be better informed and maybe support

1827
02:14:39,290 --> 02:14:42,970
the city as we address this coming legislative session.

1828
02:14:43,170 --> 02:14:45,670
I think there's going to be the same challenges we faced last year.

1829
02:14:45,870 --> 02:14:50,230
So that was good and I was expecting, I was worried how we were going to fill the time

1830
02:14:50,230 --> 02:14:52,550
but we had to cut them off, there were so many questions.

1831
02:14:52,890 --> 02:14:55,390
So that was good and I appreciated the help from back on that.

1832
02:14:56,910 --> 02:14:58,030
Next year, that's all you.

1833
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,260
And, lastly, I had asked council permission to go to D.C. next week. I don't think I'm going to need to go on that trip.

1834
02:15:06,420 --> 02:15:13,560
I think they scaled back the group we're sending out. They're expecting kind of a weird week there, I think, post-elections and so many things going on.

1835
02:15:13,760 --> 02:15:18,940
So it did make sense to send a large group. So I'm happy because there's a couple of events here.

1836
02:15:19,080 --> 02:15:22,520
I'd like to attend some community things. So I don't think I'll be going.

1837
02:15:22,520 --> 02:15:26,860
Okay, good. There's more money for my tear of Del Fuego trip then.

1838
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:30,660
That's a joke.

1839
02:15:33,220 --> 02:15:44,380
All right. So as Andy mentioned, I went with him to cast and it was, I think it was a really great opportunity to really see how aligned we are with so many of the resort towns in Colorado and Idaho.

1840
02:15:44,380 --> 02:15:52,840
So I was, for a while I was taking hash, hashes, hashes where every time people mentioned housing

1841
02:15:52,840 --> 02:15:56,640
or childcare and it came up over and over and over again and it's a pressure that's felt

1842
02:15:56,640 --> 02:16:01,700
wildly amongst resort towns and I think that there's a lot of opportunity for us to collaborate

1843
02:16:01,700 --> 02:16:04,220
and learn from what we're doing even further than we've done.

1844
02:16:05,000 --> 02:16:10,760
Climate change came up again quite a bit and they also had a really extensive presentation

1845
02:16:10,760 --> 02:16:19,700
about health care in Colorado and I don't know, we haven't really looked, it hasn't been something that we explored as a council

1846
02:16:19,700 --> 02:16:25,420
and I don't know what our role is, but it was really interesting to see that along kind of the belt where the resort towns were in Colorado

1847
02:16:25,420 --> 02:16:31,040
that they had much higher premiums than any of the other parts of Colorado.

1848
02:16:31,740 --> 02:16:35,020
And so I don't know if that will be something that comes up, but it was interesting to hear about.

1849
02:16:35,020 --> 02:16:41,540
and they're also their discussion about how they are responding to Airbnb's and

1850
02:16:41,540 --> 02:16:47,660
verbo and nightly rentals and the range from Chakanah is one council I was one

1851
02:16:47,660 --> 02:16:51,340
mayor put it is how they were handling it in their town to you know kind of

1852
02:16:51,340 --> 02:16:54,260
sending out friendly reminders to make sure that people were paying taxes in

1853
02:16:54,260 --> 02:16:57,340
another but again it's interesting to hear how other people are handling

1854
02:16:57,340 --> 02:17:02,040
situations very similar to ours. I also attended the recreation master plan

1855
02:17:02,040 --> 02:17:06,860
meeting yesterday morning involved in that meeting was the basin recreation

1856
02:17:06,860 --> 02:17:14,660
party recreation I was there in the school district and it was a really good

1857
02:17:14,660 --> 02:17:17,880
meeting they are about ready to present their kind of master plan that they've

1858
02:17:17,880 --> 02:17:22,620
come up with where they their goals were really to make sure that they were

1859
02:17:22,620 --> 02:17:28,300
utilizing economies of scale meeting transportation using transportation

1860
02:17:28,300 --> 02:17:36,120
transportation hubs and there's one other and I'm forgetting it right now, but they have a very comprehensive plan that they're going to be presenting.

1861
02:17:36,520 --> 02:17:47,460
It's a long-term plan to meet some of the recreation needs that they foresee coming up in the next 10 to 15 years and looking at it broadly between our Park City community,

1862
02:17:47,640 --> 02:17:53,960
the school district, what they're going to be needing for their school teams and what the county will need overall.

1863
02:17:55,120 --> 02:18:00,900
One of the surprising things was just they had kind of gave a chart of all the school hours and apparently cheerleaders

1864
02:18:00,900 --> 02:18:06,040
Man, they had the most hours of any high school sport. We're waiting for some verification on that

1865
02:18:08,020 --> 02:18:13,400
It's like man those kids like it was like more hours in a month that those cheerleaders are working out than there are

1866
02:18:13,940 --> 02:18:15,880
Hours in a month. It was crazy

1867
02:18:18,280 --> 02:18:19,800
I'm making a note of this.

1868
02:18:19,940 --> 02:18:25,980
Right? What are those cheerleaders doing? Anyways, I digress, but...

1869
02:18:25,980 --> 02:18:27,160
I have to cheer for all of the sports.

1870
02:18:28,580 --> 02:18:31,840
But so it will be interesting, the school district made it very clear that they're not

1871
02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:37,060
able to commit to any sort of plan at this point in time until they have a set of designers

1872
02:18:37,060 --> 02:18:40,980
working on some concepts for their next round of school redevelopment that will be coming

1873
02:18:40,980 --> 02:18:46,060
out December and then they'll go through some more works and they'll have a better

1874
02:18:46,060 --> 02:18:50,000
idea of which plan that they'd like to move forward with in March. And so until that point,

1875
02:18:50,560 --> 02:18:56,420
we can't really make a lot of decisions involving the school district. But other than that,

1876
02:18:56,920 --> 02:19:01,240
it's a really good plan that shows a lot of thought and a lot of community input

1877
02:19:01,240 --> 02:19:04,280
and that will be presented to us on November 17th.

1878
02:19:05,200 --> 02:19:10,140
And then I also attended PCALA yesterday and Andy did a great job presenting and

1879
02:19:10,140 --> 02:19:16,900
very thorough explanation of several of our propositions on the on the ballot and

1880
02:19:16,900 --> 02:19:23,680
then I'd like to remind everyone to go out and vote. Again. Please. All right. Thank

1881
02:19:23,680 --> 02:19:33,020
you. Sandy. I had a light week with being on vacation but I wanted to thank the

1882
02:19:33,020 --> 02:19:37,860
council people that were able to do coffee with council. I've only heard

1883
02:19:37,860 --> 02:19:44,460
good things in the neighborhood about, you know, they stumbled across it at the library

1884
02:19:44,460 --> 02:19:52,140
or they thought there'd be a few people there. So it was very well received in the community,

1885
02:19:52,360 --> 02:19:58,440
I believe. I heard the same thing. So let's keep up the good work.

1886
02:20:00,400 --> 02:20:08,420
Let's put the Historical Society this morning, and Sandra, the director, Sandra Morrison,

1887
02:20:08,620 --> 02:20:14,640
the director reported on HPB, I missed it last night for my granddaughter's fourth birthday.

1888
02:20:17,180 --> 02:20:25,920
But Bruce, I don't know what the outcome was on the Star Hotel, but I wanted to compliment

1889
02:20:25,920 --> 02:20:34,140
staff, Sandra's complimented the staff on the detailed report they had on the historical

1890
02:20:35,220 --> 02:20:40,440
nature of that Star Hotel, which is a funny building at least.

1891
02:20:40,500 --> 02:20:45,980
Yes, it is a funny building. Bruce Erickson for the Planning Department, the staff recommendation

1892
02:20:45,980 --> 02:20:52,220
to keep the Star Hotel on the historic site's inventory as a significant structure was

1893
02:20:52,220 --> 02:20:56,700
upheld and it remains on our significant site structure our historic site

1894
02:20:56,700 --> 02:21:02,460
inventory. The applicants appeal was denied. Great. Thank you. That's great news.

1895
02:21:03,060 --> 02:21:07,840
And then I just want to also say that Sandra gave a quick report on California

1896
02:21:09,200 --> 02:21:14,140
Comstock and she was just thrilled with all the work that had been done up

1897
02:21:14,140 --> 02:21:20,400
there to stabilize that. There's some more work to be done next year

1898
02:21:20,400 --> 02:21:26,760
that maybe they can go up another layer. But as you're skiing, hopefully soon, you should

1899
02:21:26,760 --> 02:21:37,820
go on by and see what has been saved by that committee. So that's great. Also, the Historical

1900
02:21:37,820 --> 02:21:43,320
Society will soon be submitting two names too for the HPB, for the review of the council.

1901
02:21:43,320 --> 02:21:46,360
So, hopefully that we could get a full board then.

1902
02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:59,300
And they just have Jonathan, there was somebody for the Park Avenue master plan that we did.

1903
02:21:59,640 --> 02:22:04,980
He has the house in front of the parking area and he would like to be reached out to.

1904
02:22:05,060 --> 02:22:08,780
So if you could just touch base with me. Have you had a personal talk with him?

1905
02:22:09,700 --> 02:22:12,100
I think it would be a good idea since he's going to be an immediate neighbor.

1906
02:22:12,100 --> 02:22:16,720
I was very excited about having a community there around him, but he'd like to see the

1907
02:22:16,720 --> 02:22:16,940
plan.

1908
02:22:17,060 --> 02:22:21,620
So if we can touch base during the break or something.

1909
02:22:24,300 --> 02:22:25,100
Is that all there?

1910
02:22:25,780 --> 02:22:26,600
Thank you, Cindy.

1911
02:22:27,760 --> 02:22:29,300
I had a light week.

1912
02:22:30,700 --> 02:22:36,940
I did do a walkthrough of McPollen, and they discovered the steel sash windows in the

1913
02:22:36,940 --> 02:22:37,640
bottom of the building.

1914
02:22:37,640 --> 02:22:44,360
and they've done a little educational process as to how to re-glaze steel sash window,

1915
02:22:45,020 --> 02:22:47,860
which is a lost art and they're doing a beautiful job.

1916
02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:50,220
So they're putting back in the original windows.

1917
02:22:51,580 --> 02:22:54,780
It's an amazing project. It seems to be on schedule.

1918
02:22:55,440 --> 02:22:56,140
Great contractor.

1919
02:22:56,920 --> 02:23:00,900
Went to a PC Advocates meeting on the 24th.

1920
02:23:01,220 --> 02:23:05,320
I think, you know, they're kind of shifting their context a little bit.

1921
02:23:05,320 --> 02:23:12,480
I mean, you know, I think most people that are in that segment of that community, primarily

1922
02:23:12,480 --> 02:23:18,440
the Hispanic community, they're not looking for handouts, they're looking for paths, they're

1923
02:23:18,440 --> 02:23:22,600
looking for, you know, they're willing to work hard, they do work hard, they're looking

1924
02:23:22,600 --> 02:23:27,360
for the same kinds of opportunities and paths to a brighter future that we are.

1925
02:23:28,180 --> 02:23:33,680
I want to also, a little acknowledgement of the building department and the Park

1926
02:23:33,680 --> 02:23:39,100
City Fire Department where they jumped on it, thanks to the early responders from

1927
02:23:39,100 --> 02:23:43,540
the police department. They got up and put the fire out and no one was hurt.

1928
02:23:45,780 --> 02:23:50,580
Successful and wonderful conclusion. Went to the Planning Commission again.

1929
02:23:51,780 --> 02:23:54,800
Oh, how fun. Missed it so much.

1930
02:23:57,800 --> 02:23:59,000
Thank you for that.

1931
02:23:59,000 --> 02:24:09,180
I went to the Utah Nonprofits Association panel discussion and sat in a discussion with the

1932
02:24:09,180 --> 02:24:13,840
Mayor of Cottonwood Heights, the Mayor of Selleck City, the Mayor of Peskovsky, the Chair

1933
02:24:13,840 --> 02:24:19,980
of Summit County, Roger Armstrong, and the past Mayor of Selleck City, Paul Mercky-Pollis.

1934
02:24:20,100 --> 02:24:25,620
And we talked about what non-profits do for a community and how do we engage with

1935
02:24:25,620 --> 02:24:25,820
them.

1936
02:24:25,820 --> 02:24:32,740
And I think we shine in that regard, you know, the way we engage.

1937
02:24:33,420 --> 02:24:37,820
You all engage with nonprofits, the time you spend, you know,

1938
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:40,840
connecting with them, explaining that, bringing that back.

1939
02:24:41,640 --> 02:24:44,440
I think all of those other entities found that very interesting.

1940
02:24:44,760 --> 02:24:49,480
So they're starting to use us as a model for how they engage with the nonprofits,

1941
02:24:50,140 --> 02:24:56,780
how it helps in so many ways, participated in the production of The Ten Reasons to Vote.

1942
02:24:57,860 --> 02:25:01,860
If anybody doesn't like it, they can complain to the Mayor, whoever he may be.

1943
02:25:04,200 --> 02:25:10,070
I talked with Leslie on Friday, continued my Spanish lessons,

1944
02:25:10,510 --> 02:25:15,130
went to the Park City Fire Board meeting, went to the Historic Society meeting.

1945
02:25:15,310 --> 02:25:16,670
Thanks for stealing all my lines.

1946
02:25:16,670 --> 02:25:23,230
And also we had an international business day where I gave a brief on the sister-city

1947
02:25:23,230 --> 02:25:29,830
relationship with Corsavelle, the meaningfulness of that, the value of that, how that is such

1948
02:25:29,830 --> 02:25:36,050
a powerful entity with regard to really transforming the lives of our children when you think

1949
02:25:36,050 --> 02:25:38,850
25 people a year have that opportunity.

1950
02:25:39,270 --> 02:25:40,550
As you know, it's transformative.

1951
02:25:41,710 --> 02:25:42,150
All right?

1952
02:25:43,490 --> 02:25:44,130
Yeah.

1953
02:25:44,790 --> 02:25:49,910
I want to thank you for the top 10 video, top 10 reasons to vote. I know that was your

1954
02:25:49,910 --> 02:25:54,850
idea and you pushed it and it was really fun and I think it's a fun video. So if anybody

1955
02:25:54,850 --> 02:25:59,470
hasn't seen it, they should look at it. Yeah, right? It's great. And if you don't know

1956
02:25:59,470 --> 02:26:04,430
what Big League is, Google it. It's how Donald Trump says Big League. And then the

1957
02:26:04,430 --> 02:26:09,810
other thing is, and you mentioned you had a discussion with Leslie, and this

1958
02:26:09,810 --> 02:26:15,950
There was one of the greatest responses I've ever heard, which was about the yard signs

1959
02:26:15,950 --> 02:26:21,350
that are all over town in illegal locations, and she was asking you what the city is going

1960
02:26:21,350 --> 02:26:25,730
to do to clean that up, and you said, well, isn't there some responsibility on people who

1961
02:26:25,730 --> 02:26:32,930
are running for office to uphold our existing laws who are in violation of our existing

1962
02:26:32,930 --> 02:26:33,310
laws?

1963
02:26:33,510 --> 02:26:34,950
How about they go out and clean them up?

1964
02:26:35,090 --> 02:26:36,170
I thought that was fabulous.

1965
02:26:36,170 --> 02:26:40,290
comment about do they get to pick and choose the laws that they'll obey.

1966
02:26:41,410 --> 02:26:46,730
Do they have a problem with other businesses putting small signs out along the street corridors?

1967
02:26:46,990 --> 02:26:49,810
Yeah, great, great response. Thanks for doing that.

1968
02:26:49,990 --> 02:26:53,030
So I got a lot of nasty emails. Anyway, no, I didn't.

1969
02:26:55,090 --> 02:26:57,490
So we'll keep rolling right along here.

1970
02:26:57,630 --> 02:27:03,870
Next on the agenda is review the draft 2017 city council meeting schedule.

1971
02:27:03,870 --> 02:27:06,950
Can we skip that? Can we move that to another date?

1972
02:27:07,350 --> 02:27:11,930
We're going to do that another time. We'll go right into special events advisory committee.

1973
02:27:12,210 --> 02:27:13,330
Thank you all for being here.

1974
02:27:42,730 --> 02:27:43,170
Where?

1975
02:27:44,290 --> 02:27:44,590
That's him.

1976
02:27:45,570 --> 02:27:49,070
Oh, it is. I got you in there.

1977
02:27:52,790 --> 02:27:57,310
Good evening, Mr. Mayor and City Council. My name is Jenny Derson, Special Events Coordinator.

1978
02:27:57,970 --> 02:28:02,950
Also Jason Glidden, the Economic Development Project Manager, Sarah Klingenstein, and then

1979
02:28:02,950 --> 02:28:07,170
also Bob Kohler as representatives of the Special Events Advisory Committee. Really

1980
02:28:07,170 --> 02:28:11,250
quick, I also want to acknowledge that we have several other SEAC or Special Events

1981
02:28:11,250 --> 02:28:14,930
Advisory Committee members in the room tonight and just ask them really quickly to stand

1982
02:28:14,930 --> 02:28:16,590
or wave or say hi.

1983
02:28:17,930 --> 02:28:18,470
There you go.

1984
02:28:18,930 --> 02:28:22,930
Jenny, can we tag ourselves in the picture you've got up on the screen right now?

1985
02:28:22,990 --> 02:28:23,670
Is that possible?

1986
02:28:24,330 --> 02:28:25,530
I don't know.

1987
02:28:29,010 --> 02:28:32,950
Tonight we are returning to update and receive direction regarding the structure

1988
02:28:32,950 --> 02:28:37,170
of the Special Events Advisory Committee and also regarding the prioritization

1989
02:28:37,470 --> 02:28:41,010
and threshold of special events and then also fee reduction.

1990
02:28:41,570 --> 02:28:44,930
The report this evening begins on page 20 of your packets.

1991
02:28:45,850 --> 02:28:47,630
And if it's okay with you, Mr. Mayor,

1992
02:28:47,730 --> 02:28:50,410
I intend to just do a high-level overview of the suggestions

1993
02:28:50,410 --> 02:28:53,310
of how we intend to move forward, and then I'll turn it over.

1994
02:28:54,050 --> 02:28:55,090
I think that's okay. I think that's perfectly okay.

1995
02:28:55,870 --> 02:28:58,390
Before I get started tonight, I do just want to be clear

1996
02:28:58,390 --> 02:29:01,730
that staff believes that there's a delicate and important balance

1997
02:29:01,730 --> 02:29:04,590
in the mitigation strategies of special events.

1998
02:29:05,190 --> 02:29:08,770
We believe mitigation strategies can also help to implement changes

1999
02:29:08,770 --> 02:29:12,590
with regards to transportation and environmental sustainability goals.

2000
02:29:13,230 --> 02:29:17,050
We continue to take our community's feedback and challenges very seriously,

2001
02:29:17,350 --> 02:29:20,650
including our residents, our locals, and our business community,

2002
02:29:20,830 --> 02:29:22,610
as we are bringing this update to you this evening.

2003
02:29:23,370 --> 02:29:25,130
Events are an important part of our community.

2004
02:29:25,510 --> 02:29:28,490
They help build and connect community, celebrate our culture,

2005
02:29:28,710 --> 02:29:30,410
and ensure economic vitality.

2006
02:29:31,010 --> 02:29:34,510
We specifically focus, are part of the recommendations tonight,

2007
02:29:34,510 --> 02:29:38,510
and the strategies specifically focus on ensuring reduction of the feeling of event fatigue,

2008
02:29:39,130 --> 02:29:44,290
residential impacts, and allowing opportunity to fully evaluate before reduction is implemented.

2009
02:29:45,150 --> 02:29:49,450
The first thing I'm going to talk about this evening is the recommended changes in the

2010
02:29:49,450 --> 02:29:52,230
structure of SEAC or the Special Events Advisory Committee.

2011
02:29:52,950 --> 02:29:58,290
Our recommendation is adding two community at large members, and additionally adding

2012
02:29:58,290 --> 02:29:59,470
to community stakeholders.

2013
02:30:00,080 --> 02:30:04,880
Specifically being the school district and the county. Those would all be voting members.

2014
02:30:05,540 --> 02:30:13,640
We also are recommending to change to monthly meetings to increase some of the education opportunity for public input.

2015
02:30:14,680 --> 02:30:22,720
And then also part of that will be quickly looking at adopting policies and also co-chairs for that committee.

2016
02:30:23,200 --> 02:30:28,860
Again, an important part of this is an increasing balance of the committee and then also increasing community involvement.

2017
02:30:28,860 --> 02:30:34,520
right now we have an intention to come back to the November 17th meeting and we also have

2018
02:30:34,520 --> 02:30:40,900
an intention to adopt the resolution to that committee and then also we'll start advertising

2019
02:30:40,900 --> 02:30:45,060
for those two community at large positions as early as tomorrow as long as that's the

2020
02:30:45,060 --> 02:30:48,960
direction that's okay to head in in a little bit that we get back from you.

2021
02:30:50,060 --> 02:30:54,840
The next part of the meeting or the kind of the summary is really to talk about event

2022
02:30:54,840 --> 02:30:59,200
and mitigation and the tools that we have to move forward.

2023
02:30:59,600 --> 02:31:03,240
Really quickly, we work to define event fatigue.

2024
02:31:03,560 --> 02:31:08,940
There's a multitude of words that are kind of referred to

2025
02:31:08,940 --> 02:31:10,020
with regards to fatigue.

2026
02:31:10,200 --> 02:31:12,580
It is transportation, parking, noise,

2027
02:31:12,900 --> 02:31:14,000
and a list of many others.

2028
02:31:14,560 --> 02:31:17,240
Environmental sustainability is another impact

2029
02:31:17,240 --> 02:31:20,300
that we are considering and making standards.

2030
02:31:20,700 --> 02:31:22,580
And there's also this general feeling

2031
02:31:22,580 --> 02:31:27,560
of just feeling stuck in this idea of crowd versus population growth and crowd control.

2032
02:31:28,360 --> 02:31:33,700
We have a variety of increased mitigations and increased standards that we can focus

2033
02:31:34,130 --> 02:31:41,560
on before coming back to kind of some of those places we can get to if we do need to say,

2034
02:31:41,780 --> 02:31:45,220
you know, there's some other tools in the box to further eliminate or reduce events.

2035
02:31:45,660 --> 02:31:50,020
Again, our focus is to really make sure we're meeting standards or exceeding standards

2036
02:31:50,020 --> 02:31:52,640
of these mitigations and we have some more work to do.

2037
02:31:53,660 --> 02:31:55,120
I'm not gonna go into all of those

2038
02:31:55,120 --> 02:31:56,500
to try and catch us up into time.

2039
02:31:56,580 --> 02:31:58,060
If you guys have questions about some of those

2040
02:31:58,060 --> 02:32:00,440
then I'll be happy to answer those questions.

2041
02:32:01,440 --> 02:32:03,500
And again, some of these ideas and mitigation

2042
02:32:03,500 --> 02:32:05,960
really let event organizers have the opportunity

2043
02:32:05,960 --> 02:32:07,960
as well as the city, the opportunity to step up

2044
02:32:07,960 --> 02:32:09,540
and meet higher mitigation efforts.

2045
02:32:10,940 --> 02:32:13,980
And those that do score low on the prioritization sheet

2046
02:32:13,980 --> 02:32:17,220
when we readdress how we're gonna be using that,

2047
02:32:17,300 --> 02:32:19,520
the opportunity to step up to the plate

2048
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:20,720
and meet those.

2049
02:32:21,180 --> 02:32:24,200
Our mitigations will primarily focus on level three events,

2050
02:32:24,340 --> 02:32:25,720
but we don't want to take our eyes off

2051
02:32:25,720 --> 02:32:27,500
of the level one and two events.

2052
02:32:27,900 --> 02:32:29,600
Those events can continue to grow.

2053
02:32:29,760 --> 02:32:31,260
They easily become level three events

2054
02:32:31,260 --> 02:32:32,960
and we want to make sure they're equally

2055
02:32:33,580 --> 02:32:34,880
meeting the standards specifically

2056
02:32:34,880 --> 02:32:36,340
during the high threshold times

2057
02:32:36,340 --> 02:32:37,520
where there's increased traffic

2058
02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:38,780
and transportation concerns.

2059
02:32:39,220 --> 02:32:41,940
And we intend to make changes to the prioritization sheet

2060
02:32:42,600 --> 02:32:44,560
and some of the policies to that

2061
02:32:44,560 --> 02:32:46,660
so that tool can be used effectively.

2062
02:32:46,660 --> 02:32:54,780
And again, I reported a little bit earlier with regards to fee reduction, which is attached as exhibit C and your staff report.

2063
02:32:55,180 --> 02:33:01,360
We believe our fee reduction for fiscal year 2017 is right around $185,000.

2064
02:33:01,960 --> 02:33:06,500
That is under the $200 threshold.

2065
02:33:07,300 --> 02:33:09,660
And our intention is to relook at the criteria.

2066
02:33:09,900 --> 02:33:14,780
We found that as a valuable tool, but we want to make sure that the criteria we have has some measures and standards.

2067
02:33:14,780 --> 02:33:22,400
so it's more clear on for the committee of how to score those better and they have something

2068
02:33:22,400 --> 02:33:26,260
to measure it against, and then also aligning with City Council's goals there as well.

2069
02:33:27,080 --> 02:33:31,860
That is really the update that I have for you before I turn it over to you.

2070
02:33:31,920 --> 02:33:35,960
I do believe Sarah wanted to make some comments, so I'm going to turn it over to her and

2071
02:33:35,960 --> 02:33:36,800
then...

2072
02:33:36,800 --> 02:33:37,280
Hi, Sarah.

2073
02:33:38,060 --> 02:33:38,940
Hi, thanks.

2074
02:33:38,940 --> 02:33:43,720
I wanted to make a few comments from the perspective of the citizen at large members.

2075
02:33:44,520 --> 02:33:50,860
For one thing, we really would appreciate and welcome two more citizen members of SEAC.

2076
02:33:51,900 --> 02:33:57,960
We take very seriously our role in listening to and representing the residents in town who

2077
02:33:57,960 --> 02:34:03,980
believe that this would bring a better balance to a group of very thoughtful, diligent

2078
02:34:03,980 --> 02:34:07,620
people who make up the committee already. It would be a great addition.

2079
02:34:08,600 --> 02:34:16,240
We believe that CX and the special events staff's work is critical in keeping the four core values of the city,

2080
02:34:16,440 --> 02:34:23,640
to keeping areas like Old Town viable for primary residents and the rest of the city feeling like our home.

2081
02:34:24,140 --> 02:34:29,420
We've heard loud and clear that many residents feel less connected and at times overwhelmed by events.

2082
02:34:29,420 --> 02:34:32,340
We don't believe traffic is the only cause of fatigue.

2083
02:34:32,700 --> 02:34:38,240
When a neighbor tells you, I feel like an extra in Disneyland, they're talking about more than cars.

2084
02:34:38,820 --> 02:34:40,860
There are just more and more people.

2085
02:34:41,620 --> 02:34:46,920
Summer events are getting bigger, less appealing to locals because of the size sometimes.

2086
02:34:47,280 --> 02:34:53,260
And it's less likely that you'll see a familiar face, not just at the event, but at the grocery store during that week

2087
02:34:53,260 --> 02:34:56,160
or during that big summer season.

2088
02:34:56,160 --> 02:35:03,800
I know I represent the members of SEAC when I say that we are glad to see a wide variety

2089
02:35:03,800 --> 02:35:09,000
of mitigation tools being proposed as well as a chance to revamp the evaluation criteria.

2090
02:35:09,940 --> 02:35:15,180
We citizen members believe that the time has passed when we continually need to grow

2091
02:35:15,180 --> 02:35:16,960
events to make our town successful.

2092
02:35:17,460 --> 02:35:22,600
And we have seen that there are events that hold a greater value and events that

2093
02:35:22,600 --> 02:35:25,420
hold for the community a lesser value.

2094
02:35:25,420 --> 02:35:31,340
and we look forward to working to mitigate and see where that goes and with the possibility

2095
02:35:31,740 --> 02:35:33,340
in the future of reduction.

2096
02:35:34,220 --> 02:35:40,400
We look forward to continuing this work and working with the hardworking staff, and we

2097
02:35:40,400 --> 02:35:42,620
thank you for creating this and supporting it.

2098
02:35:43,400 --> 02:35:44,340
Thanks, Sarah.

2099
02:35:45,040 --> 02:35:45,880
Bob, anything else?

2100
02:35:57,350 --> 02:35:59,430
So you'd like a little feedback from us.

2101
02:36:00,010 --> 02:36:00,050
I get it.

2102
02:36:00,050 --> 02:36:06,530
Yeah, and I think what, there you go, I think really what staff is asking tonight if Council

2103
02:36:06,530 --> 02:36:11,250
can help confirm the direction that the change in the CF structure is the correct direction

2104
02:36:11,250 --> 02:36:15,150
will immediately implement that, and then also our goal is really to reduce that

2105
02:36:15,150 --> 02:36:20,650
feeling of the residential and negative impacts in the residential areas and further increase

2106
02:36:20,650 --> 02:36:26,670
mitigations and rekind of structure or revamp those tools that we're using to make sure

2107
02:36:26,670 --> 02:36:31,690
that we're making accurate recommendations and put those tools to work and go in that

2108
02:36:31,690 --> 02:36:32,030
direction.

2109
02:36:32,630 --> 02:36:33,070
Thank you, Jenny.

2110
02:36:33,830 --> 02:36:35,250
I think Tim was first.

2111
02:36:36,550 --> 02:36:40,290
I'm supportive of your recommendations, so I'll just get that out there.

2112
02:36:41,010 --> 02:36:44,650
like the direction, Sarah, and I'm assuming you're not saying you'd like too

2113
02:36:44,650 --> 02:36:49,010
additional in addition to the two members at large, but you're supportive of the

2114
02:36:49,010 --> 02:36:53,210
two that were recommended in the staff recommendations, right? And you know, I

2115
02:36:53,210 --> 02:36:59,730
liken, you called it out a number of times in the report, a sense of place, and I

2116
02:36:59,730 --> 02:37:02,810
think that's a nice lens that we can look through, and I'm sure that's what

2117
02:37:02,810 --> 02:37:08,070
the citizens at large are doing, they're looking at do we add to and

2118
02:37:08,070 --> 02:37:12,730
contribute to our building and nurturing our sense of place,

2119
02:37:13,090 --> 02:37:18,350
or do these events make us feel less connected as a place

2120
02:37:18,350 --> 02:37:20,570
and tear apart our sense of place?

2121
02:37:20,850 --> 02:37:24,630
So are they an assault on our sense of place,

2122
02:37:24,750 --> 02:37:27,110
or are they helping to build our sense of place?

2123
02:37:27,330 --> 02:37:31,170
And then I wanted to point out a couple of events recently,

2124
02:37:31,350 --> 02:37:33,870
and this is a little bit of the problem

2125
02:37:33,870 --> 02:37:36,910
and shows how difficult this is.

2126
02:37:36,910 --> 02:37:41,450
Because it's not simple, but you had a picture of the Halloween parade up there, and that's

2127
02:37:41,450 --> 02:37:42,310
a local event.

2128
02:37:42,810 --> 02:37:44,090
The Main Street shuts down.

2129
02:37:44,570 --> 02:37:50,790
You see everybody out there, and it's one of those, in my opinion, quintessential events

2130
02:37:50,790 --> 02:37:53,470
that add to our sense of place.

2131
02:37:53,570 --> 02:37:58,310
If you're going to call out a couple of events that add to our sense of place, that's one

2132
02:37:58,310 --> 02:37:58,590
of them.

2133
02:37:58,970 --> 02:38:04,070
Now, we also had another one recently that may be that same kind of event, and that

2134
02:38:04,070 --> 02:38:05,110
was the Shotsky event.

2135
02:38:05,110 --> 02:38:10,450
And I saw, you know, I think there were a thousand people in the line, over a thousand,

2136
02:38:10,910 --> 02:38:15,750
and then there were probably another thousand people watching, and by and large, they were

2137
02:38:15,750 --> 02:38:16,070
locals.

2138
02:38:16,730 --> 02:38:19,190
And that adds to a sense of place.

2139
02:38:19,390 --> 02:38:22,610
And you know what I heard at the council coffee?

2140
02:38:23,230 --> 02:38:26,890
A local resident complaining to me about that event.

2141
02:38:27,270 --> 02:38:32,150
So that just shows that even when we're looking through a lens of, does this create

2142
02:38:32,150 --> 02:38:37,190
a sense of place? Is it something that the locals go to and they love and they're enthusiastic

2143
02:38:37,190 --> 02:38:41,850
about? Yeah, it's still going to generate noise. They're still going to be congestion.

2144
02:38:42,250 --> 02:38:45,830
And we're still going to have people in the community that are like, why did you guys

2145
02:38:45,830 --> 02:38:50,570
do that? And that's what I heard. So that's what you're hearing. You're tasked with a

2146
02:38:50,570 --> 02:38:56,390
very difficult, you know, endeavor. And I thank you, Sarah and Bob and Jenny and

2147
02:38:56,390 --> 02:39:00,890
Jason for spearheading this and pushing it along and everybody else on the SEAC

2148
02:39:00,890 --> 02:39:06,190
committee. And I think we're making progress. I'm really pleased. And I had one question

2149
02:39:06,190 --> 02:39:10,330
about the different events that you listed. I don't know what page it, well, I do know.

2150
02:39:10,390 --> 02:39:17,450
It's on page 23. You listed the three level one events that we had last year, the Thinner

2151
02:39:17,450 --> 02:39:22,830
Innovation Festival, State Room Presents, Concert Series, and the Shotsky, all of which

2152
02:39:22,830 --> 02:39:27,690
I participated in, by the way. But you did not list the level one and the level

2153
02:39:27,690 --> 02:39:32,290
two events, you said there were two, level one and three level two. Do you have that?

2154
02:39:32,670 --> 02:39:33,630
I do. I can probably just...

2155
02:39:33,630 --> 02:39:35,350
Can you just rattle them off or...?

2156
02:39:35,350 --> 02:39:44,590
I know one was the prospector drive-in movie over in Prospector, level one event. I mean,

2157
02:39:44,650 --> 02:39:46,730
I can also look them up and then provide them to council.

2158
02:39:46,850 --> 02:39:51,030
I'm just curious. I'd love to know what those were, just because I'd like to see

2159
02:39:51,030 --> 02:39:57,310
in my own mind how the Thin Air Innovation Festival and the Shotsky compare to a level

2160
02:39:57,310 --> 02:40:01,690
two and a level one and would just give me a frame of reference. So that was just out

2161
02:40:01,690 --> 02:40:05,150
of curiosity. But thanks. I'm supportive of the recommendations.

2162
02:40:06,890 --> 02:40:08,410
I think Nan was next.

2163
02:40:10,150 --> 02:40:15,850
I agree. I'm in support of the recommendations. But I do have a couple of questions. When

2164
02:40:15,850 --> 02:40:19,710
the current members were appointed, they were appointed to attend four meetings a

2165
02:40:19,710 --> 02:40:23,610
And now, all of a sudden, we're going to ask them to attend 12 meetings a year.

2166
02:40:23,850 --> 02:40:27,070
How, Sarah, you might be able to answer this on behalf of the committee.

2167
02:40:27,930 --> 02:40:29,930
How would the members feel about that?

2168
02:40:32,680 --> 02:40:39,860
Well, I think for some people, it's going to be challenging given the day jobs they hold

2169
02:40:39,860 --> 02:40:43,240
and the other responsibilities they have of family work and such.

2170
02:40:43,920 --> 02:40:44,600
I don't know.

2171
02:40:44,680 --> 02:40:50,140
It'd be interesting to know if staff has heard, if anyone is really concerned,

2172
02:40:50,140 --> 02:40:52,060
or they might have heard more.

2173
02:40:52,300 --> 02:40:53,680
I heard that from the citizen members,

2174
02:40:53,820 --> 02:40:54,780
but I think everyone's.

2175
02:40:55,200 --> 02:40:56,960
So I think I would say, first of all,

2176
02:40:57,140 --> 02:40:59,240
over the, we are, we intended to have

2177
02:40:59,240 --> 02:41:00,500
four quarterly meetings.

2178
02:41:00,720 --> 02:41:03,120
Over the last year, we've had eight or nine meetings

2179
02:41:03,580 --> 02:41:05,560
in a year, so we've already stepped that up

2180
02:41:05,560 --> 02:41:07,280
just because we found that we needed more time.

2181
02:41:07,920 --> 02:41:09,680
Part of the reason of changing the structure

2182
02:41:09,680 --> 02:41:12,160
is trying very hard not to have three and a half

2183
02:41:12,160 --> 02:41:14,740
or three hour meetings, but really meeting monthly

2184
02:41:14,740 --> 02:41:16,440
so we can have like hour and a half

2185
02:41:16,440 --> 02:41:18,060
or maybe two hour meetings on those times

2186
02:41:18,060 --> 02:41:20,160
when we really have short meetings like that.

2187
02:41:20,340 --> 02:41:20,800
I know, right.

2188
02:41:21,040 --> 02:41:23,360
I'll try that, that's all I can say.

2189
02:41:23,740 --> 02:41:26,440
And then furthermore, when we had our October

2190
02:41:27,010 --> 02:41:28,620
Special Events Advisory Committee meeting,

2191
02:41:29,080 --> 02:41:31,400
we immediately sent out a doodle poll,

2192
02:41:31,540 --> 02:41:32,680
12 of the members participated,

2193
02:41:32,860 --> 02:41:34,720
and we found a new date and time that's best

2194
02:41:34,720 --> 02:41:36,700
for those members that did participate,

2195
02:41:36,980 --> 02:41:38,220
and that will be on Wednesdays,

2196
02:41:38,360 --> 02:41:39,840
it's the third Wednesday of every month

2197
02:41:39,840 --> 02:41:41,640
at noon, moving forward currently.

2198
02:41:42,520 --> 02:41:44,320
And that's when all of those people

2199
02:41:44,320 --> 02:41:45,540
could participate at that time.

2200
02:41:45,540 --> 02:41:49,800
And so we're trying to find ways to make it work and we understand some of those concerns.

2201
02:41:51,680 --> 02:41:53,380
So that's about that.

2202
02:41:53,560 --> 02:41:53,960
Okay.

2203
02:41:54,440 --> 02:41:59,200
And then on page 26 of the staff report, when you were talking about the scoring sheets,

2204
02:41:59,440 --> 02:42:02,760
you said only five out of 11 returned scoring sheets.

2205
02:42:02,960 --> 02:42:08,160
Is that because the workload is too great for this committee or is it because the

2206
02:42:08,160 --> 02:42:10,260
scoring sheets are ineffective or?

2207
02:42:10,700 --> 02:42:12,400
I think it's a myriad of reasons.

2208
02:42:13,180 --> 02:42:14,500
I think that's one of them.

2209
02:42:14,500 --> 02:42:21,140
it's time it's you know I think some of the committee members felt too that the

2210
02:42:21,140 --> 02:42:24,380
applications were incomplete and they need more data and more information to

2211
02:42:24,380 --> 02:42:27,840
make accurate decisions and that's another thing that we're looking at how

2212
02:42:27,840 --> 02:42:31,460
can we further educate specifically the community members to make sure they're

2213
02:42:31,460 --> 02:42:34,840
provided with the right tools and the same thing honestly for the you know

2214
02:42:34,840 --> 02:42:39,160
the stakeholder members as well to make those hard decisions because they are

2215
02:42:39,160 --> 02:42:43,980
hard and they're complex and there's, you know, a lot of things to weigh out, so.

2216
02:42:44,820 --> 02:42:49,620
And I think some policies about how and how to use those prioritization sheets and the

2217
02:42:49,620 --> 02:42:52,080
criteria for the fee reduction will help as well.

2218
02:42:52,580 --> 02:42:52,740
Okay.

2219
02:42:53,060 --> 02:42:53,420
Thanks.

2220
02:42:54,200 --> 02:42:54,560
Andy.

2221
02:42:54,900 --> 02:42:55,800
I think it was next.

2222
02:42:56,100 --> 02:42:56,240
Yeah.

2223
02:42:56,900 --> 02:42:59,580
I wanted to start out by pointing out something interesting.

2224
02:42:59,820 --> 02:43:02,480
I thought, Tim, you were talking about what great community events there are.

2225
02:43:02,760 --> 02:43:04,400
I think we need to look at the time of the year.

2226
02:43:05,040 --> 02:43:08,160
And I only bring that up because there's been some discussion, okay, we've heard

2227
02:43:08,160 --> 02:43:11,180
from some locals. They don't want to have any events during the off-season because we

2228
02:43:11,180 --> 02:43:16,200
want to break. Unfortunately, the off-season has become when we have the best events for

2229
02:43:16,200 --> 02:43:19,460
the locals right now. So I think we need to keep that in mind as we look at all this,

2230
02:43:19,560 --> 02:43:24,060
that maybe we can't accommodate a few during these down times and still bring our community

2231
02:43:24,060 --> 02:43:24,500
together.

2232
02:43:27,100 --> 02:43:32,240
I am still concerned a little bit about the composition of this group. We have a

2233
02:43:32,240 --> 02:43:36,200
lot of opportunities to hear from our stakeholders. The Chamber of Members, HPCA,

2234
02:43:36,200 --> 02:43:39,260
We have regular meetings with them and get constant feedback.

2235
02:43:39,720 --> 02:43:43,620
We don't have focused feedback from our residents at large.

2236
02:43:43,860 --> 02:43:50,600
And when we formed SEAC, my belief was we really wanted to get a better feel from what a broad spectrum of our residents,

2237
02:43:51,620 --> 02:43:55,680
how they feel about these events, how they react to these events, what they think we're doing right and wrong.

2238
02:43:56,100 --> 02:44:00,480
And so we've now added two at-large members, and we've added two more stakeholders.

2239
02:44:00,480 --> 02:44:05,160
So are at-large members continue to be, what, is it four to, it'd be six to ten or?

2240
02:44:05,720 --> 02:44:07,320
I think it would be six to nine.

2241
02:44:07,480 --> 02:44:12,420
They're only, I just, I am not disagreeing or agreeing, but I think it's important

2242
02:44:12,420 --> 02:44:15,560
to remember the two that we're adding are community-based stakeholders.

2243
02:44:15,740 --> 02:44:18,080
They are the county and they are the school district.

2244
02:44:18,260 --> 02:44:22,220
And I believe that the interest of those parties is to help us mitigate

2245
02:44:22,220 --> 02:44:26,340
and represent our community through those entities that they represent.

2246
02:44:26,340 --> 02:44:32,400
I would hope every stakeholder on there would be mindful of the community, but that is a different perspective.

2247
02:44:32,620 --> 02:44:36,300
They are representing a particular interest group as opposed to our residents at large.

2248
02:44:36,960 --> 02:44:41,400
So for me, ideally, we would have, at the very least, we would have this group balanced.

2249
02:44:42,160 --> 02:44:47,460
And it wasn't in the report, so I don't have a list of who the stakeholders are, so I can't be specific on this.

2250
02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:49,320
But I believe we could combine a few of those.

2251
02:44:49,480 --> 02:44:52,500
There could be, there are multiple business organizations in there.

2252
02:44:52,500 --> 02:44:56,160
I think a lodging association, the HPCA, the Chamber, the Restaurant Association,

2253
02:44:56,440 --> 02:44:59,720
they could appoint one or two people by proxy to represent that group.

2254
02:45:01,220 --> 02:45:05,620
But I think it's important we get better balance in that group, and I think that's

2255
02:45:05,620 --> 02:45:09,420
what council asked for initially, and trying to accommodate all the interests

2256
02:45:09,420 --> 02:45:11,800
that's grown, and I don't know where the rest of you stand.

2257
02:45:12,080 --> 02:45:18,260
But I squarely do, actually, I do. I totally support that. I, you know, I think

2258
02:45:18,260 --> 02:45:22,780
when we look at the purpose for SEAC, the reason we came together in the first

2259
02:45:22,780 --> 02:45:28,340
place, I believe, is because we had, we were experiencing event fatigue.

2260
02:45:29,300 --> 02:45:35,500
you know, we wanted to hear from the community. And so, you know, the equation

2261
02:45:35,500 --> 02:45:39,740
of the group is very important in that regard. You know, if we want to hear from

2262
02:45:39,740 --> 02:45:43,940
the community, we should appoint residents of the community. And I think there's

2263
02:45:43,940 --> 02:45:48,400
representation for those other entities outside of this board that this gives

2264
02:45:48,400 --> 02:45:54,180
that if we change the equation, as you suggest, I think it would really make

2265
02:45:54,180 --> 02:45:58,900
a shift to the people that will live in the community. It would be their voice with

2266
02:45:58,900 --> 02:46:05,680
regard to those issues. And I go one step further. I think that I think they need to

2267
02:46:05,680 --> 02:46:12,620
have the ability to recommend whether we support an event or deny an event. I mean,

2268
02:46:12,660 --> 02:46:17,280
it's a recommendation, you know, on page 24 of our packet. Sorry I jumped in front

2269
02:46:17,280 --> 02:46:23,600
of you, but since you were talking, SEAC does not have the ability, excuse me,

2270
02:46:23,600 --> 02:46:27,960
does not have the authority to make recommendations regarding the approval or denial of an event.

2271
02:46:28,320 --> 02:46:28,880
We don't.

2272
02:46:29,900 --> 02:46:31,340
It states right here.

2273
02:46:32,480 --> 02:46:34,260
So I think the idea is that we're...

2274
02:46:34,260 --> 02:46:36,140
And I think so.

2275
02:46:36,940 --> 02:46:38,540
I'm going to look over there, Mark, a little bit.

2276
02:46:38,700 --> 02:46:40,020
Sorry to look at you out there, Mark.

2277
02:46:40,880 --> 02:46:44,880
But I think some of the thing, the part of it too, is to really look at prioritization

2278
02:46:44,880 --> 02:46:45,460
and threshold.

2279
02:46:45,820 --> 02:46:51,160
And when we're talking about new events, you know, we're really balancing that

2280
02:46:51,160 --> 02:46:51,840
priority.

2281
02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:53,480
Are they meeting that standard?

2282
02:46:54,080 --> 02:46:56,000
I think back to some of Tim's conversations,

2283
02:46:56,240 --> 02:46:57,580
are they helping to build our community?

2284
02:46:57,820 --> 02:46:59,400
Are they, is this event just another event

2285
02:46:59,400 --> 02:47:01,100
that's sort of renting our town?

2286
02:47:01,540 --> 02:47:04,060
But the idea is that those recommendations

2287
02:47:04,060 --> 02:47:06,680
and those debriefs and the fee reduction recommendations

2288
02:47:06,680 --> 02:47:09,320
help staff make the recommendation of how to deny

2289
02:47:09,320 --> 02:47:11,400
or approve an event based on those.

2290
02:47:11,520 --> 02:47:13,660
We're not saying they have the final authority to deny,

2291
02:47:14,160 --> 02:47:15,720
but they can certainly make a recommendation.

2292
02:47:15,720 --> 02:47:16,540
Well, we counsel.

2293
02:47:17,080 --> 02:47:19,440
I think it's in their advice.

2294
02:47:19,440 --> 02:47:20,920
It's like a recommendation, right?

2295
02:47:23,220 --> 02:47:26,320
So anyway, I had to circle that aspect.

2296
02:47:26,620 --> 02:47:28,320
It's in the middle of page 24.

2297
02:47:30,520 --> 02:47:32,360
And then I'll shut up just a minute.

2298
02:47:34,340 --> 02:47:36,760
You know, there's two ways to deal with the issue.

2299
02:47:37,000 --> 02:47:40,280
Obviously, one is to mitigate the impacts of these events.

2300
02:47:41,620 --> 02:47:44,600
Part A. Part B is to reduce the number of events.

2301
02:47:45,800 --> 02:47:47,320
And I think we have to be looking at both.

2302
02:47:47,320 --> 02:47:55,440
So now what you go on I want to jump in just because I go to those meetings and you know

2303
02:47:57,060 --> 02:47:58,780
What's your name?

2304
02:47:59,340 --> 02:47:59,840
No

2305
02:48:02,340 --> 02:48:05,240
I'm not very good with me. No, it's your trails.

2306
02:48:05,840 --> 02:48:07,120
Charlie, thank you, Charlie.

2307
02:48:09,980 --> 02:48:10,980
Come on.

2308
02:48:11,380 --> 02:48:14,300
Always you give me, always you can help me out there.

2309
02:48:14,860 --> 02:48:18,820
No, you know, Charlie is, you know, on there for the trails.

2310
02:48:19,260 --> 02:48:23,040
We need the trail, the trail, there's a lot of events that happen on the trails, whatever.

2311
02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:27,720
So it's, it's, it, he provides a lot of information about that.

2312
02:48:28,140 --> 02:48:30,580
But he's, he lives in Park City.

2313
02:48:31,080 --> 02:48:33,920
He's, and he really speaks for the community.

2314
02:48:34,320 --> 02:48:42,120
And you know, we also have other members that represent groups that live in Park City

2315
02:48:42,120 --> 02:48:43,900
that have been great community members.

2316
02:48:43,900 --> 02:48:50,360
I personally, you know, if you want to combine one or the other, I don't think, you know,

2317
02:48:50,620 --> 02:48:54,780
we did not set this up as just a community board.

2318
02:48:55,080 --> 02:48:56,420
That's not how we started it.

2319
02:48:57,040 --> 02:49:00,440
If you want to scrap it and start it over again, but that is no way how we started

2320
02:49:00,440 --> 02:49:00,980
this thing.

2321
02:49:01,260 --> 02:49:08,220
It was going to be, you know, it was supposed to be, you know, the business community

2322
02:49:08,220 --> 02:49:10,060
because they rely on these events.

2323
02:49:10,060 --> 02:49:20,700
And so in the non-profits, I mean, the reason it's so hard to decide which ones come and go

2324
02:49:20,700 --> 02:49:23,740
is because every event supports a non-profit.

2325
02:49:25,180 --> 02:49:26,180
I don't know.

2326
02:49:26,760 --> 02:49:29,300
There might be one event that doesn't support a non-profit.

2327
02:49:30,200 --> 02:49:31,200
And I know that...

2328
02:49:31,200 --> 02:49:37,140
So 80 percent of events are organized by non-profits and or significantly support a non-profit.

2329
02:49:37,280 --> 02:49:39,080
So yes, I agree with you.

2330
02:49:39,080 --> 02:49:43,320
So that's why, you know, so anyway, I personally,

2331
02:49:45,200 --> 02:49:49,980
and to leave the county out and the school district out,

2332
02:49:50,060 --> 02:49:52,960
because we can't mitigate our things without either one of them.

2333
02:49:53,240 --> 02:49:56,060
Can't mitigate our events without either the school district

2334
02:49:56,060 --> 02:50:00,840
or the county, so that was an oversight

2335
02:50:00,840 --> 02:50:02,380
that we didn't have those in the beginning.

2336
02:50:02,840 --> 02:50:05,900
But, you know, and I think, you know,

2337
02:50:05,900 --> 02:50:13,250
So if you want to have a different event, a different board, that's fine, but I think

2338
02:50:13,250 --> 02:50:19,210
that you're losing a lot of knowledge if you do that because, you know, the event planners

2339
02:50:19,210 --> 02:50:27,530
that are on there, they, I think, I forget her name also, Ginger, she's, you know, she's

2340
02:50:28,370 --> 02:50:31,610
has lived in the community, she cares very much about the community.

2341
02:50:31,610 --> 02:50:39,070
And I, but, you know, so I'm all right with the increase of two community members.

2342
02:50:39,590 --> 02:50:43,870
You know, we could change it just so that some people are non-voting.

2343
02:50:43,970 --> 02:50:48,390
But it is an advisory where they advise whether an event should go on.

2344
02:50:49,370 --> 02:50:50,950
So we recommend or advise.

2345
02:50:51,170 --> 02:50:52,890
I don't understand what's the difference there.

2346
02:50:52,890 --> 02:50:55,570
But they do have the right to recommend.

2347
02:50:56,710 --> 02:51:01,370
I think that what we do is one of the purposes of SEAC is to provide debrief information on

2348
02:51:01,370 --> 02:51:06,070
events and through those debriefs we find out how well that event performed and whether

2349
02:51:06,070 --> 02:51:11,650
or not that event has needs to make corrective measures to be approved in the future.

2350
02:51:12,330 --> 02:51:16,450
And to Jenny's point, we take that information as staff and then work with the event organizer

2351
02:51:16,450 --> 02:51:19,970
and see if we can get those mitigated, if not then we can look at denial.

2352
02:51:19,970 --> 02:51:25,970
So I think that's kind of where, how that flows in rather than them saying you should deny that event.

2353
02:51:28,780 --> 02:51:30,900
Becca, you are so patient.

2354
02:51:32,760 --> 02:51:38,840
Okay, so I think a couple of just quick observations. I think that it's really interesting that when you read this report

2355
02:51:38,840 --> 02:51:43,800
and starting from the very beginning, you see the word tool used a lot because we use events as an economic tool

2356
02:51:43,800 --> 02:51:47,380
to help us get through the summer months and to provide some economic development.

2357
02:51:47,380 --> 02:51:51,060
And now we're using other tools to mitigate our tool that we're using.

2358
02:51:51,240 --> 02:51:53,520
And so, at some point in time you start...

2359
02:51:53,520 --> 02:51:54,060
There are lots of tools.

2360
02:51:54,220 --> 02:51:57,340
Yeah, so maybe I feel like we're using our tools too much.

2361
02:51:57,640 --> 02:52:00,660
Maybe we just need to back off on the tool a little bit.

2362
02:52:00,980 --> 02:52:07,080
So I think when you start looking at that, the economic tools are being used maybe too powerfully in this case.

2363
02:52:07,200 --> 02:52:12,420
Then it really does add some thought behind pulling it back.

2364
02:52:12,420 --> 02:52:18,880
I'm absolutely in favor of changing the structure of CIAC and adding additional community residents and like Andy said

2365
02:52:18,880 --> 02:52:23,940
I would actually be in favor of potentially adding more because I do think that one of the things that we're seeing is

2366
02:52:25,360 --> 02:52:31,600
I don't want to say like a schism, but there has been a change in where our business and business owners and our

2367
02:52:32,840 --> 02:52:33,600
business community

2368
02:52:34,680 --> 02:52:36,860
Lives and it used to be way back in the old day

2369
02:52:36,860 --> 02:52:41,960
You know it felt like most the people who owned a shop on Main Street or owned a shop in town actually lived in town

2370
02:52:41,960 --> 02:52:45,680
and so they were feeling both sides of the coin and as I think things have

2371
02:52:45,680 --> 02:52:51,060
evolved and changed, people have moved out to the basin or out to Salt Lake and

2372
02:52:51,060 --> 02:52:56,300
Heber and then the structure of town feels different. So I think the way

2373
02:52:56,300 --> 02:53:00,660
people experience these impacts is different. If you only own a business

2374
02:53:00,660 --> 02:53:03,540
on Main Street but you don't actually live in town, you're gonna see these

2375
02:53:03,540 --> 02:53:08,040
events is great all the time. But I think to have that voice from the

2376
02:53:08,040 --> 02:53:14,940
the residents that actually have to deal with both sides of it is going to be powerful.

2377
02:53:15,560 --> 02:53:18,160
I also think that one

2378
02:53:21,460 --> 02:53:24,020
of the things that when you look at the numbers that you've provided

2379
02:53:24,020 --> 02:53:30,600
for us in the reports is just how much the events or business in town has grown over the

2380
02:53:30,600 --> 02:53:31,140
course of summers.

2381
02:53:31,340 --> 02:53:35,140
And when you look at something like between 2010, I believe this is looking at total sales

2382
02:53:35,140 --> 02:53:39,240
tax, between 2010 to 2015, 77.8 percent growth.

2383
02:53:39,240 --> 02:53:48,720
That's amazing and outstanding, but I kind of hesitate to wonder if we can handle that kind of growth again.

2384
02:53:49,180 --> 02:53:51,160
Can we really double those numbers again?

2385
02:53:51,260 --> 02:53:55,440
And I think that that's the nature of events is to continuously feel like they need to grow.

2386
02:53:55,860 --> 02:54:01,840
So when we talk to events moving forward, I think that we might actually have to look at some ways of capping their growth.

2387
02:54:02,540 --> 02:54:10,420
And I don't know whether that's numbers of people that attend or days or size.

2388
02:54:10,780 --> 02:54:14,960
Yeah, I think that is one of our mitigation, possible mitigation strategies looking at those things.

2389
02:54:15,100 --> 02:54:20,800
Have you controlled that growth? Is it through capping event attendance or is it through changing time,

2390
02:54:21,200 --> 02:54:23,100
day, size, occurrences, things like that?

2391
02:54:23,100 --> 02:54:29,700
And I think, you know, we use strategies instead of other strategies we can use is really

2392
02:54:29,700 --> 02:54:34,560
looking at some of the, the, the consularities, you know, if we're going to put more strict

2393
02:54:35,040 --> 02:54:39,960
requirements on what their transportation mitigation needs to be, what their environmental

2394
02:54:42,180 --> 02:54:45,600
mitigation impact, for their impacts needs to be, that adds increased cost to that

2395
02:54:45,600 --> 02:54:46,160
event, right?

2396
02:54:46,500 --> 02:54:51,860
And you do that in combination with possibly re-looking at fee reductions, you're

2397
02:54:51,860 --> 02:54:56,040
going to start to squeeze and you're going to see the cream of the crop start to rise

2398
02:54:56,040 --> 02:54:59,360
for the events that are actually doing it and doing it well and providing the value for

2399
02:54:59,360 --> 02:54:59,900
the community.

2400
02:55:00,300 --> 02:55:05,320
Exactly, but I also even think as far as when we talk about outreach and I mean I

2401
02:55:05,320 --> 02:55:09,580
think the events are going to have to take some of this on themselves but when they're

2402
02:55:09,580 --> 02:55:14,720
looking at their marketing and their marketing strategies, how much they're spending and

2403
02:55:14,720 --> 02:55:18,640
how much they're really reaching out to people and really asking people to take

2404
02:55:18,640 --> 02:55:23,340
a look at how much they're growing and to try to restrict their growth from within.

2405
02:55:25,210 --> 02:55:31,770
They talked about that a lot. You're just talking about not growing the event out of control.

2406
02:55:32,270 --> 02:55:32,350
Yeah.

2407
02:55:32,450 --> 02:55:41,750
It's sort of like, you know, you know, although you said that Halloween parade was, or Halloween

2408
02:55:41,750 --> 02:55:45,790
on Main Street was a great community event, I find it a little overwhelming myself.

2409
02:55:49,270 --> 02:55:49,750
It's

2410
02:55:49,750 --> 02:55:51,610
to gone in 10 minutes, you know, there's...

2411
02:55:51,610 --> 02:55:52,330
That's your complaint?

2412
02:55:52,490 --> 02:55:53,750
But it is interesting, though.

2413
02:55:53,890 --> 02:55:55,710
I think that if you attended the Halloween event,

2414
02:55:55,870 --> 02:55:57,270
the difference between having it on a weekend

2415
02:55:57,270 --> 02:55:59,810
versus a weekday, so maybe it's one of those things

2416
02:55:59,810 --> 02:56:02,790
where maybe we even do Halloween on a weekday,

2417
02:56:03,030 --> 02:56:04,590
even when most of the communities do it

2418
02:56:04,590 --> 02:56:09,210
on a Saturday or Sunday, regardless of the day it is,

2419
02:56:09,290 --> 02:56:10,090
maybe we switch.

2420
02:56:11,190 --> 02:56:13,310
Yeah, and we always have our annual Halloween

2421
02:56:13,310 --> 02:56:16,070
on like the Friday or the Thursday or the Monday

2422
02:56:16,970 --> 02:56:18,550
of that's closest to Halloween.

2423
02:56:18,550 --> 02:56:22,530
I mean, I think that there are some things we can do working on times of year and dates

2424
02:56:22,530 --> 02:56:28,570
that will help us achieve that balance, but I think that's another, just a quick another

2425
02:56:28,570 --> 02:56:32,950
mitigation strategy that we're talking about and it's really important to look at that

2426
02:56:32,950 --> 02:56:36,850
calendar coordination when we go out, it's kind of this time period of the year when

2427
02:56:36,850 --> 02:56:41,850
we go out and try and look at the whole 2017 annual calendar to say, what is conflicting?

2428
02:56:42,090 --> 02:56:42,630
What doesn't work?

2429
02:56:42,750 --> 02:56:43,330
What's too much?

2430
02:56:43,450 --> 02:56:46,830
And really using that also as another strategy for those mitigations.

2431
02:56:48,730 --> 02:56:51,110
I still feel like there's a little bit of a disconnect.

2432
02:56:51,470 --> 02:56:56,850
Council made a very hard decision at visioning this past year that we do have a thriving

2433
02:56:56,850 --> 02:56:59,810
economy and we want to try to balance that out better.

2434
02:56:59,930 --> 02:57:04,850
We went so far as to change one of our community goals from the world class multi-seasonal

2435
02:57:04,850 --> 02:57:06,850
destination resort to a thriving mountain town.

2436
02:57:06,990 --> 02:57:11,450
Well, this report starts out by referencing that we want to achieve our goal as a world

2437
02:57:11,450 --> 02:57:16,050
class multi-seasonal destination resort and I still feel like that's where we're

2438
02:57:16,050 --> 02:57:21,150
driving on this. There is too much emphasis on the economy. We made the hard decision

2439
02:57:21,150 --> 02:57:25,310
that we want to achieve the balance. We're asking this committee to do that, and it's

2440
02:57:25,310 --> 02:57:31,010
all about mitigation. We know these choices are going to be hard, and we're just asking

2441
02:57:31,010 --> 02:57:34,890
for honest recommendations from this group. Council, at the end of the day, it's our

2442
02:57:34,890 --> 02:57:38,990
job to balance out all these different aspects. We have to make that hard decision, but

2443
02:57:38,990 --> 02:57:42,830
we'd like recommendations from them on what the real impacts are on the community,

2444
02:57:42,830 --> 02:57:46,850
and what are the areas that maybe they see some viable changes.

2445
02:57:47,130 --> 02:57:52,350
And it seems to me like there's too many hoops to jump through under this criteria.

2446
02:57:52,670 --> 02:57:55,870
As the mayor pointed out, it says they can't recommend limiting events.

2447
02:57:56,050 --> 02:57:59,770
There's another section in here that says if they want to talk about limiting events,

2448
02:57:59,870 --> 02:58:03,150
they first got to have the organizers be able to come in and make their case.

2449
02:58:03,490 --> 02:58:05,850
They're just making a recommendation to counsel.

2450
02:58:06,050 --> 02:58:08,790
And I think we can, they can come make their case to us if they want.

2451
02:58:08,790 --> 02:58:14,550
But I believe this is, I want this to be more pure from a citizen input standpoint.

2452
02:58:14,850 --> 02:58:18,410
And certainly I think there's value to educating the committee.

2453
02:58:18,610 --> 02:58:20,690
I mean, there's a lot of information behind these events.

2454
02:58:20,790 --> 02:58:24,550
And I think that the citizens at large and the rest of the committee members have offered

2455
02:58:24,550 --> 02:58:29,290
to step up their participation to do it monthly so they can get educated and make good decisions.

2456
02:58:29,570 --> 02:58:30,970
But I want to give them some latitude.

2457
02:58:31,310 --> 02:58:35,190
All of our advisory boards have the opportunity to make recommendations to counsel

2458
02:58:35,190 --> 02:58:36,450
and we can take them or leave them.

2459
02:58:38,460 --> 02:58:41,400
I would appreciate, you know, I appreciate your comments, Andy.

2460
02:58:41,520 --> 02:58:46,580
I think that, you know, the SEAC, and especially SEAC, would love to see a lot more

2461
02:58:46,580 --> 02:58:47,320
direction from counsel.

2462
02:58:47,700 --> 02:58:48,400
I'm hearing.

2463
02:58:49,840 --> 02:58:53,820
Let's see how the rest of the counsel feels with regard to what Andy just said.

2464
02:58:56,020 --> 02:59:00,420
Well, I can address the one about the organizations being given the opportunity

2465
02:59:00,420 --> 02:59:03,300
to make a presentation, because I feel strongly that they should.

2466
02:59:03,780 --> 02:59:07,280
If they're going to be graded on something, and we have that matrix and

2467
02:59:07,280 --> 02:59:13,920
that grading sheet, I think it's only fair that they hear from the applicant to be able

2468
02:59:13,920 --> 02:59:21,960
to fill that out with, you know, as much information as they are able to obtain.

2469
02:59:22,180 --> 02:59:24,980
And I think part of that is going to come from the applicant themselves.

2470
02:59:25,680 --> 02:59:29,540
So I feel pretty strongly that that should be in there at the same time.

2471
02:59:29,680 --> 02:59:30,300
I agree.

2472
02:59:30,580 --> 02:59:36,180
I mean, I think certainly have no problem balancing it out and making it, you know,

2473
02:59:36,180 --> 02:59:39,540
if it's a number of citizens at large versus stakeholders

2474
02:59:39,540 --> 02:59:41,520
by consolidating some stakeholders,

2475
02:59:41,860 --> 02:59:45,060
that's one way to do it, bumping up the number

2476
02:59:45,060 --> 02:59:48,600
of the citizens at large is another way to do it

2477
02:59:48,600 --> 02:59:54,480
and going at least equal and maybe even more weighting

2478
02:59:54,480 --> 02:59:56,220
in favor of the citizens at large.

2479
02:59:56,380 --> 02:59:58,040
I'd be in favor of that and support that.

2480
02:59:58,300 --> 02:59:59,880
I think they should be able to make a recommendation.

2481
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:04,680
I don't see any reason why they shouldn't, and because it is just an advisory

2482
03:00:04,680 --> 03:00:06,420
report, just like all of our others.

2483
03:00:06,420 --> 03:00:09,880
We're going to make recommendations. I don't understand where this is coming from.

2484
03:00:10,580 --> 03:00:14,740
Well, it's just because it's called out there, SEAC does not have the authority

2485
03:00:14,740 --> 03:00:18,720
to make recommendations regarding the approval or denial of an event.

2486
03:00:19,060 --> 03:00:20,600
So that's where it's coming from.

2487
03:00:21,020 --> 03:00:24,880
Well, because the difference is these are regulatory applications.

2488
03:00:24,880 --> 03:00:29,920
So you have an application process, and we can build that in better.

2489
03:00:30,200 --> 03:00:32,100
And that sounds like some of you may want to do that.

2490
03:00:32,380 --> 03:00:38,040
But if you want to, then, to weigh in on specific applications, you need to do it the

2491
03:00:38,040 --> 03:00:41,780
same for each event and have it be the same each time.

2492
03:00:41,900 --> 03:00:44,640
They can't pick and choose which ones they're going to review and not review

2493
03:00:44,640 --> 03:00:46,480
and who's going to come and not come.

2494
03:00:46,840 --> 03:00:49,580
So they have the informal community feedback.

2495
03:00:49,580 --> 03:00:54,600
The thought was, you know, we came up with more of a strategy in terms of the overall

2496
03:00:55,420 --> 03:01:00,040
matrix and recommendation regarding which types of events or which seasons you want

2497
03:01:00,040 --> 03:01:03,880
to focus on and give you the recommendations that you could consider as you apply

2498
03:01:03,880 --> 03:01:08,640
the code criteria to approval or denial, not specific event recommendations.

2499
03:01:09,120 --> 03:01:13,060
If you want to have specific event recommendations, my suggestion, you can do that,

2500
03:01:13,300 --> 03:01:14,580
but it's a higher threshold.

2501
03:01:15,160 --> 03:01:17,180
You should, you've got a menu ordinance to build that in.

2502
03:01:17,180 --> 03:01:19,320
and everyone will go through the committee

2503
03:01:19,320 --> 03:01:20,320
and get a recommendation.

2504
03:01:20,940 --> 03:01:23,340
Like Salt Lake City has neighborhood councils.

2505
03:01:24,040 --> 03:01:25,820
They have some forms of development applications

2506
03:01:25,820 --> 03:01:28,020
have to go through and get a preliminary application

2507
03:01:28,440 --> 03:01:30,400
or review from the neighborhood council

2508
03:01:30,400 --> 03:01:32,040
that then goes to the Planning Commission.

2509
03:01:32,780 --> 03:01:35,740
Some, and then they can consider that.

2510
03:01:35,820 --> 03:01:36,900
It's still advisory.

2511
03:01:37,680 --> 03:01:40,240
So you're not unlawfully delegating authority

2512
03:01:40,240 --> 03:01:43,480
to this additional body.

2513
03:01:43,480 --> 03:01:53,520
But you just can't, you can't have a committee that sort of picks and choose which events it wants to look closely at in that regulatory context.

2514
03:01:54,000 --> 03:02:03,940
And that's different from COSAC because it's a different, they're applying for an event versus making a recommendation on a piece of property.

2515
03:02:04,780 --> 03:02:13,460
Right. You're processing an administrative application subject to code criteria when you're approving master festival or special event.

2516
03:02:13,460 --> 03:02:19,900
So that's an administrative function, not your completely discretionary property

2517
03:02:19,900 --> 03:02:21,660
you want to buy or not buy, you're an owner.

2518
03:02:24,970 --> 03:02:29,370
I don't know what the initial original intent of this committee was because that was

2519
03:02:29,370 --> 03:02:35,270
way before my time, but it does make sense to me if some of the members of the

2520
03:02:35,270 --> 03:02:39,470
committee can be combined, you know, that kind of have some overlap so that it

2521
03:02:39,470 --> 03:02:42,170
is primarily a citizens advisory committee.

2522
03:02:42,170 --> 03:02:46,890
And, you know, in my opinion, for heaven's sakes, the committee is doing their homework.

2523
03:02:47,090 --> 03:02:48,950
They're the ones that are going through those scoring.

2524
03:02:49,090 --> 03:02:50,990
They are looking at all the aspects of the event.

2525
03:02:51,090 --> 03:02:55,450
So I think absolutely they should be able to make a recommendation to us.

2526
03:02:57,910 --> 03:02:59,350
But, Jason, I cut you off.

2527
03:03:00,050 --> 03:03:00,470
That's all right.

2528
03:03:00,590 --> 03:03:04,110
I, you know, we're just trying to get the direction and I think we're getting

2529
03:03:04,110 --> 03:03:04,690
there, you know.

2530
03:03:05,270 --> 03:03:09,990
As far as the change to the CX structure, I think we heard very clearly from at

2531
03:03:09,990 --> 03:03:15,190
three of you, that we want to go ahead and increase the amount of community members,

2532
03:03:15,290 --> 03:03:20,150
but at the same time look to combine the few of the business stakeholders into maybe

2533
03:03:20,150 --> 03:03:24,430
one appropriate one. So we could make a recommendation on how we would do that.

2534
03:03:25,370 --> 03:03:29,150
I'm not sure if it's, you know, keeping a chamber on there and removing maybe the

2535
03:03:29,150 --> 03:03:32,350
lodging and restaurant. We'll talk about that, you know, in different ways of doing

2536
03:03:32,350 --> 03:03:36,630
that. So I think that as far as the structure, does that sound correct?

2537
03:03:37,810 --> 03:03:43,270
I'm okay with that. I think it, you know, I think that increasing, I think if you let

2538
03:03:43,270 --> 03:03:46,510
it played out the way they suggested it, it might have worked, but...

2539
03:03:46,510 --> 03:03:47,650
I think that's pretty much everybody.

2540
03:03:50,690 --> 03:03:54,050
As far as the recommendations go, I only make sure we have clarity on that.

2541
03:03:54,390 --> 03:03:55,030
I understand that.

2542
03:03:55,110 --> 03:03:57,250
I just thought they were going to air buys.

2543
03:03:57,930 --> 03:04:01,770
So if I can add one thing, I think the idea today was talking about mitigation,

2544
03:04:02,070 --> 03:04:05,850
but to be very cool, these strategies or tools, whatever we are going to end up

2545
03:04:05,850 --> 03:04:11,410
calling them, that we didn't recommend using yet, which honestly is elimination of events

2546
03:04:12,410 --> 03:04:17,530
and a moratorium on event application and those types of things. We're just not at the point

2547
03:04:17,530 --> 03:04:20,410
where we can make that recommendation yet. That doesn't mean they're out of the toolbox.

2548
03:04:20,810 --> 03:04:25,630
It just means they're deeper in the toolbox. And we need a little more time to get these

2549
03:04:25,630 --> 03:04:29,850
tools that we are at the top of the toolbox, get those really working and going before

2550
03:04:29,850 --> 03:04:32,750
we delve deeper into that kind of area if that makes sense.

2551
03:04:32,750 --> 03:04:36,870
But, I mean, with that being said, I think that if Council wants to move that quickly

2552
03:04:36,870 --> 03:04:39,870
to get to those tools, then we would be happy to move that way if that's the direction.

2553
03:04:39,870 --> 03:04:43,890
Or Council could make that move on their own.

2554
03:04:44,270 --> 03:04:50,410
I mean, if the majority of Council thinks this is out of control, then they could

2555
03:04:50,410 --> 03:04:51,810
put a moratorium on events.

2556
03:04:52,690 --> 03:04:58,530
So I mean, we could put, you know, it's just a big, huge learning process that

2557
03:04:58,530 --> 03:05:05,710
that people spend almost a whole year, or have spent a whole year at, and, but if that's

2558
03:05:05,710 --> 03:05:09,570
what Council thinks, you know, maybe Council should give that direction.

2559
03:05:10,350 --> 03:05:16,890
Well, at the last meeting, you know, we heard we used the accelerator pedal as the metaphor

2560
03:05:16,890 --> 03:05:21,710
for what we were trying to do, and I think we kind of came to a consensus that we didn't

2561
03:05:21,710 --> 03:05:23,610
want to have our foot down on the gas.

2562
03:05:23,830 --> 03:05:28,290
We wanted to have it in a neutral position, and there was even some discussion about

2563
03:05:28,290 --> 03:05:32,310
possibly even pulling back a little bit, but I think the consensus amongst

2564
03:05:32,310 --> 03:05:36,910
counsel was to be in a neutral position. So, you know, and I think Andy's

2565
03:05:36,910 --> 03:05:41,790
highlighting that we're still referencing an old, you know, the old

2566
03:05:41,790 --> 03:05:45,630
terminology that we've changed, and we need to start referencing the new

2567
03:05:45,630 --> 03:05:49,290
terminology to reflect the current position of this counsel in this

2568
03:05:49,290 --> 03:05:49,710
community.

2569
03:05:51,710 --> 03:05:52,390
Right, Andy?

2570
03:05:52,830 --> 03:05:56,830
Yeah, I just don't think we need to remove any tools at this point.

2571
03:05:56,930 --> 03:05:57,050
Right.

2572
03:05:57,050 --> 03:06:00,450
I think we have a very smart group of people and I think they are going to have a really

2573
03:06:00,450 --> 03:06:02,330
hard time finding events they want to eliminate.

2574
03:06:02,790 --> 03:06:06,490
They might find some, but the reality when you start looking at that gets very difficult.

2575
03:06:06,890 --> 03:06:12,850
So I would like their recommendations, whatever they may be at this point.

2576
03:06:12,970 --> 03:06:15,490
So I'm inclined not to take things off the table.

2577
03:06:16,010 --> 03:06:20,530
With that being said, I don't feel like Council is giving them direction to cut

2578
03:06:20,530 --> 03:06:22,010
six events or something like that.

2579
03:06:22,150 --> 03:06:23,190
We're just saying take a hard look.

2580
03:06:23,470 --> 03:06:24,970
Nor create a moratorium.

2581
03:06:27,130 --> 03:06:32,510
So that would be that you are in favor then of increasing the mitigation, correct?

2582
03:06:33,270 --> 03:06:38,490
And taking a harder look at events in general, prioritization, thresholds, big weekends,

2583
03:06:38,710 --> 03:06:40,230
and coming forward with further recommendation.

2584
03:06:40,290 --> 03:06:42,370
And not looking at elimination for...

2585
03:06:42,370 --> 03:06:43,350
You said the recommendations are going to have a lot of staff coming forward.

2586
03:06:43,350 --> 03:06:46,850
No, I said let's not take any tools off the table.

2587
03:06:46,990 --> 03:06:50,830
If there's a no-brainer that they think needs to be eliminated and they want to

2588
03:06:50,830 --> 03:06:53,590
make a recommendation, that should be in their toolbox.

2589
03:06:53,590 --> 03:06:57,490
box, is my opinion, but I think we need to hear from the rest of the people.

2590
03:06:57,490 --> 03:07:01,090
Well, I thought we had consensus with regard to that.

2591
03:07:02,430 --> 03:07:06,190
All right. Some other fine-tuning thoughts.

2592
03:07:06,450 --> 03:07:09,350
Can I throw them in there? So I'm doing a repeat. Oh, sorry, Andy.

2593
03:07:10,150 --> 03:07:14,210
No, I was just going to suggest, I think at least for now,

2594
03:07:14,390 --> 03:07:17,250
as this group is getting up to speed in that, their focus is probably

2595
03:07:17,250 --> 03:07:21,210
best placed on level three events, and maybe with the one exception being

2596
03:07:21,210 --> 03:07:26,030
when we have big weekends where it compounds because we have multiple events, but I think

2597
03:07:26,030 --> 03:07:28,730
as a starting point that might help hone things in.

2598
03:07:30,650 --> 03:07:33,210
They already decided that, didn't they?

2599
03:07:34,370 --> 03:07:35,310
Essentially, but again.

2600
03:07:35,370 --> 03:07:36,570
It was clear in here.

2601
03:07:36,650 --> 03:07:40,170
One of those who's on those big weekends, they're part of the challenge.

2602
03:07:41,470 --> 03:07:43,990
So I'm going to recap one more time if that's okay.

2603
03:07:44,330 --> 03:07:47,830
So I think one of the things we're going to do with the CX structure is kind of work

2604
03:07:47,830 --> 03:07:51,670
offline a little bit to look at the structure of the committee. We want to

2605
03:07:51,670 --> 03:07:55,570
add the two additional community at large positions. We want to add, I believe,

2606
03:07:56,010 --> 03:07:59,510
the school district and the county, but we're looking at some of the other

2607
03:07:59,510 --> 03:08:02,770
business stakeholders and how we might be able to combine those to make sure

2608
03:08:02,770 --> 03:08:06,770
there is a balance in the committee. That's number one. Number two is

2609
03:08:06,770 --> 03:08:10,830
continuing to reduce that feeling of event fatigue. We're not taking any

2610
03:08:10,830 --> 03:08:13,810
tools out of the toolbox. They're all still in there, but really

2611
03:08:13,810 --> 03:08:19,850
focusing on mitigations and really focusing on sense of place, community, mitigating residential

2612
03:08:19,850 --> 03:08:24,730
impacts and increasing city council's goals through transportation and sustainability

2613
03:08:24,730 --> 03:08:30,490
efforts and making sure we're tied to a thriving mountain community in various ways.

2614
03:08:31,170 --> 03:08:35,510
So if there's anything I'm missing to add, I think I'd add a couple, two more probably

2615
03:08:35,510 --> 03:08:38,550
and just making sure that we always keep elimination as a possible tool.

2616
03:08:38,870 --> 03:08:39,210
Yes.

2617
03:08:39,210 --> 03:08:41,910
That if needed, we can use that tool.

2618
03:08:41,910 --> 03:08:45,170
And I think the second one, I think, or the last one I need a little bit of clarity

2619
03:08:45,170 --> 03:08:48,690
on is the recommendation. I've heard it a couple of times and, you know, Mark kind of

2620
03:08:48,690 --> 03:08:52,650
stated on that's kind of a change in how we would do things a little bit or we'd have

2621
03:08:52,650 --> 03:08:56,970
to make sure we're consistently making recommendations on all events if that's

2622
03:08:56,970 --> 03:08:58,050
what we choose to do.

2623
03:08:58,590 --> 03:08:59,530
I don't get it.

2624
03:09:00,210 --> 03:09:03,950
Yeah, we can bring back more specificity with those options, but it's a range.

2625
03:09:04,470 --> 03:09:10,450
For example, if you want recommendations on specific events, the best time to do

2626
03:09:10,450 --> 03:09:12,410
that is during the application process.

2627
03:09:13,010 --> 03:09:16,350
It's very, once you apply, once you approve an event

2628
03:09:16,350 --> 03:09:18,830
subject to your code criteria, it's very hard to then

2629
03:09:19,340 --> 03:09:21,090
take that back and revoke it.

2630
03:09:21,330 --> 03:09:23,890
Unless you have a record in which they didn't comply

2631
03:09:23,890 --> 03:09:25,970
with those standards or their conditions of approval,

2632
03:09:26,230 --> 03:09:28,950
or you adopt new criteria for the next year.

2633
03:09:29,870 --> 03:09:32,170
So just having a review after the fact

2634
03:09:32,640 --> 03:09:34,890
without changing the criteria and not having

2635
03:09:34,890 --> 03:09:38,270
anything go wrong with the actual criteria

2636
03:09:38,270 --> 03:09:45,270
where you have hard findings of noncompliance, it will be hard for them to provide a meaningful

2637
03:09:45,270 --> 03:09:51,310
recommendation that you can act on. The better way to do it is make every new application

2638
03:09:51,790 --> 03:09:56,950
by code go through the committee, and they provide a recommendation on the code criteria

2639
03:09:56,950 --> 03:10:02,530
just like staff does. It's a parallel recommendation. And then you do that in a debrief for

2640
03:10:02,530 --> 03:10:07,170
each one. Right now they don't do that. They give a, they do a light version of

2641
03:10:07,170 --> 03:10:13,490
that, but as I understand it as how we kind of split the difference was they can give

2642
03:10:13,490 --> 03:10:20,370
you recommendations regarding increased ways to mitigate certain impacts and then the staff

2643
03:10:20,370 --> 03:10:24,430
applies those to each event says okay then we need to have better parking at this one

2644
03:10:24,430 --> 03:10:28,710
so in the renewal we're going to address this parking plan or this noise ordinance

2645
03:10:28,710 --> 03:10:36,250
but staff is regulating and still giving you the conditional changes to the conditions

2646
03:10:36,250 --> 03:10:42,950
of approval for that renewal, that's different, and that's, that's, that works.

2647
03:10:43,190 --> 03:10:45,990
But they're still making recommendations, but it's, they're broader.

2648
03:10:46,670 --> 03:10:50,410
If you want to make recommendations regarding approval or denial, then I, I would

2649
03:10:50,410 --> 03:10:55,630
recommend you change your ordinance and then, and make that consistent for all events.

2650
03:10:55,950 --> 03:10:56,110
That's not.

2651
03:10:56,110 --> 03:10:57,650
And that's really going to change the workload of that committee.

2652
03:10:57,650 --> 03:10:59,290
And that's going to change the workload of that committee.

2653
03:10:59,490 --> 03:11:01,810
And I think we've got to get to a different point with that committee.

2654
03:11:01,930 --> 03:11:05,370
But if you have them come in and say, we just have, hey, we've taken a high

2655
03:11:05,370 --> 03:11:07,690
level look at all your events. We're going to recommend you to deny this one.

2656
03:11:08,810 --> 03:11:13,730
And if you haven't had that any process for that applicant, you will see, I will, yeah,

2657
03:11:13,830 --> 03:11:17,770
I will recommend, I want to brief that more fully for you if you want to try and do that,

2658
03:11:17,830 --> 03:11:20,470
because that's going to, you're at a higher risk factor.

2659
03:11:21,850 --> 03:11:28,430
Can that ordinance be that they only have to look at all the applications for,

2660
03:11:29,890 --> 03:11:32,370
whatever tier 3 or level 3 or whatever it is.

2661
03:11:33,370 --> 03:11:36,530
And then as long as you're not, like the application is the same, you can break

2662
03:11:36,530 --> 03:11:41,470
them out because that would decrease the workload initially just to see how it worked

2663
03:11:41,470 --> 03:11:43,010
if we only did level 3.

2664
03:11:44,670 --> 03:11:49,110
I think we probably need more clarification and guidance on that.

2665
03:11:49,650 --> 03:11:50,130
I agree.

2666
03:11:50,670 --> 03:11:55,710
But I wanted to say that the reason that was in there about letting the event

2667
03:11:55,710 --> 03:12:00,650
planner come on and talk about their event is because when we were having a committee

2668
03:12:00,650 --> 03:12:06,990
discussion, we were like, well, you know, this one here, you know, really causes a lot

2669
03:12:06,990 --> 03:12:11,890
of traffic and, you know, not so sure what the community benefit is, blah, blah, blah,

2670
03:12:11,890 --> 03:12:13,110
blah, blah, they just use us.

2671
03:12:13,710 --> 03:12:13,870
Wow.

2672
03:12:15,670 --> 03:12:21,530
That community, that planner, you know, she had a different opinion and, you know,

2673
03:12:21,530 --> 03:12:28,930
And if she had valuable information, we didn't know all the ins and outs of that event.

2674
03:12:29,510 --> 03:12:36,250
And so that's what you get from, you know, listening to that, but, you know, the more you listen, you know.

2675
03:12:36,470 --> 03:12:39,170
So I think you have a general idea of where we're going.

2676
03:12:39,830 --> 03:12:45,830
And the summary was accurate with the exception of the portion that Mark is talking about that we'll have to come back and revisit.

2677
03:12:47,190 --> 03:12:54,710
So, I think we have an intention to come back and amend the resolution of the ordinance for

2678
03:12:54,710 --> 03:13:00,350
SEAC on September 17th, I'm sorry, I'm not here yet right now, on November 17th.

2679
03:13:01,290 --> 03:13:06,310
So I guess I don't know if that is still an appropriate timeframe and our real intention

2680
03:13:06,310 --> 03:13:11,930
was to go ahead and, as of pretty much tomorrow, advertise for those positions and have those

2681
03:13:11,930 --> 03:13:16,570
new members start at the December meeting because we want to get them in there before

2682
03:13:16,570 --> 03:13:19,810
sun dancing and try to start getting them trained up as soon as possible.

2683
03:13:20,130 --> 03:13:21,770
So if we just, you know.

2684
03:13:21,830 --> 03:13:23,650
I think we had clarity with regard to that.

2685
03:13:24,010 --> 03:13:24,150
Okay.

2686
03:13:24,550 --> 03:13:30,710
I think we should have an exact number of people you wanted to reduce by the other.

2687
03:13:30,870 --> 03:13:32,330
Is it, you want two members off?

2688
03:13:32,930 --> 03:13:35,070
You want to combine two members off?

2689
03:13:35,230 --> 03:13:35,790
I think we need that.

2690
03:13:35,790 --> 03:13:36,570
I think we can do some.

2691
03:13:37,610 --> 03:13:41,910
I love that.

2692
03:13:41,910 --> 03:13:45,270
that we can do that as well to bring that back to you guys on the 17th.

2693
03:13:45,510 --> 03:13:45,590
Yep.

2694
03:13:46,490 --> 03:13:48,390
All right, we'll look at that on the 17th.

2695
03:13:48,530 --> 03:13:50,230
Good with that, Andy?

2696
03:13:50,690 --> 03:13:51,110
All right.

2697
03:13:51,450 --> 03:13:51,790
All right.

2698
03:13:51,990 --> 03:13:52,370
Thank you.

2699
03:13:52,450 --> 03:13:52,730
Thank you.

2700
03:13:54,770 --> 03:13:56,030
We're a little behind schedule.

2701
03:13:56,190 --> 03:14:01,990
We're going to have to do a crazy of Lower Park Avenue considerations of relocation

2702
03:14:01,990 --> 03:14:04,450
to the senior center, which we cut short last time.

2703
03:14:07,380 --> 03:14:10,520
You know, we're just going to start the regular session a little bit later tonight.

2704
03:14:11,260 --> 03:14:11,620
Okay.

2705
03:14:13,020 --> 03:14:18,400
It might be 6.15, 6.20 by the time we get around to the regular meeting.

2706
03:14:24,710 --> 03:14:26,790
Your Honor, I had about a five-minute presentation.

2707
03:14:27,090 --> 03:14:27,410
Is that okay?

2708
03:14:27,770 --> 03:14:27,850
Yeah.

2709
03:14:29,850 --> 03:14:30,070
Okay.

2710
03:14:32,180 --> 03:14:33,220
Three questions in your...

2711
03:14:33,220 --> 03:14:33,400
Okay.

2712
03:14:33,600 --> 03:14:33,620
Sorry.

2713
03:14:33,800 --> 03:14:34,160
Hey, go ahead.

2714
03:14:34,280 --> 03:14:36,320
There's the principal of the worker in the car.

2715
03:14:36,520 --> 03:14:37,140
Microphone, John.

2716
03:14:37,780 --> 03:14:39,420
It is Kim.

2717
03:14:40,080 --> 03:14:43,860
Kim's the person on the team the closest to the seniors and probably the most fluent

2718
03:14:43,860 --> 03:14:45,860
on the conversations we've had with them in the past.

2719
03:14:47,820 --> 03:14:51,180
The three questions again, I'll just read them as I go through the presentation.

2720
03:14:52,160 --> 03:14:54,140
Does Council support staff's recommendation?

2721
03:14:54,540 --> 03:14:57,820
The senior building needs to be removed from its current location.

2722
03:14:59,040 --> 03:14:59,980
We believe...

2723
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:03,740
The site, the higher and best use, if we were on a really decent housing there, is going

2724
03:15:03,740 --> 03:15:08,240
to be to relocate that building from its current site. Leaving it there, you'd probably take

2725
03:15:08,240 --> 03:15:14,180
away at least 50, if not 60 percent of the site's development potential. The current

2726
03:15:14,180 --> 03:15:18,740
needs of the senior program and how they work and operate, they don't really function

2727
03:15:18,740 --> 03:15:25,300
efficiently in the current building edges. And Craig and his team have put together

2728
03:15:25,300 --> 03:15:32,580
an initial program and floor plan for a building, and we think that really in the end of the

2729
03:15:32,580 --> 03:15:37,460
day wants to move to a new building. So that's not going to happen in the existing building

2730
03:15:37,460 --> 03:15:41,040
and work really well, and we'll get to that kind of later in the deal.

2731
03:15:41,180 --> 03:15:45,200
The second question is, does Council want staff to return with a more focused discussion

2732
03:15:45,200 --> 03:15:53,340
of the current senior building's historical value versus possible demolition and learn

2733
03:15:53,340 --> 03:15:56,220
more about the current structure and budget implications to do that.

2734
03:15:56,620 --> 03:16:00,080
You know, the recommendation right now is, and we don't really want to go through

2735
03:16:00,080 --> 03:16:03,180
the historic determination process, we think the best thing to do is to move that

2736
03:16:03,180 --> 03:16:08,040
building, keep it within the lower part district. If you start to look at where

2737
03:16:08,040 --> 03:16:11,460
that building came from, it was kind of on the shores of the Jordan L. It was

2738
03:16:11,460 --> 03:16:11,780
an old.

2739
03:16:12,120 --> 03:16:12,960
There was no Jordan L.

2740
03:16:13,300 --> 03:16:17,440
Okay. I know the staff report said it would be underwater today, it'd be

2741
03:16:17,440 --> 03:16:23,220
darn close. It's where the JSSD intake is from the Jordan L.

2742
03:16:23,820 --> 03:16:26,880
The picture on the left is the old rail line that went out to it.

2743
03:16:27,920 --> 03:16:30,480
We don't think taking it back there helps either.

2744
03:16:30,680 --> 03:16:32,400
There's no historical context for it.

2745
03:16:32,400 --> 03:16:34,040
We don't think they probably want it.

2746
03:16:34,840 --> 03:16:39,220
Everybody on our team thinks keeping it within the lower park app district is a good thing.

2747
03:16:39,960 --> 03:16:45,080
The more we've kind of talked about it and gone through the feasibility exercises,

2748
03:16:45,360 --> 03:16:46,940
there's no sites that are really working.

2749
03:16:47,080 --> 03:16:48,300
There's no sites that are popping up.

2750
03:16:48,540 --> 03:16:51,080
And what we started to learn is we've talked to a house mover.

2751
03:16:51,080 --> 03:16:54,400
or is it's going to be logistically very difficult

2752
03:16:54,400 --> 03:16:55,800
to get it moved very far?

2753
03:16:56,080 --> 03:16:57,460
There's going to be a heck of an opportunity

2754
03:16:57,460 --> 03:16:59,360
when we tear down that fire station building,

2755
03:16:59,480 --> 03:17:00,520
they pop that thing out of there.

2756
03:17:00,640 --> 03:17:01,320
That's next spring.

2757
03:17:01,780 --> 03:17:03,960
That means there's some urgency on making a decision.

2758
03:17:05,000 --> 03:17:07,320
And again, the more we've talked about it,

2759
03:17:07,400 --> 03:17:09,900
this option is the one that staffs actually

2760
03:17:09,900 --> 03:17:11,880
is a group recommending at this point.

2761
03:17:12,420 --> 03:17:15,260
You could probably equally put it north of that parking lot.

2762
03:17:15,400 --> 03:17:18,160
That's the Mowinny lot next to the skateboard park.

2763
03:17:18,720 --> 03:17:25,700
with this location's proximity to the trail, keeping it in the district, it's

2764
03:17:25,700 --> 03:17:30,080
something that planning is comfortable with, it's something that the team is

2765
03:17:30,080 --> 03:17:33,900
comfortable with and at this point again we're recommending that. Well that's the

2766
03:17:33,900 --> 03:17:36,700
great question, you know our recommendation would be if we can get

2767
03:17:36,700 --> 03:17:40,760
some support from you to focus here we would come back with a strategy to

2768
03:17:40,760 --> 03:17:44,380
either dispose of it or lease it or what that looks like, whether that's a

2769
03:17:44,380 --> 03:17:48,080
support building for the recreation program that supports skateboarding or

2770
03:17:49,840 --> 03:17:53,020
something that, you know, is storage for some of the wreck things they do.

2771
03:17:53,180 --> 03:17:57,260
We've had some informal discussions with some local not-for-profits that have

2772
03:17:57,260 --> 03:17:58,680
been interested in.

2773
03:17:59,700 --> 03:18:03,420
Whether it's a satellite office for child care use or something like that,

2774
03:18:03,860 --> 03:18:05,140
those are some real good possibilities.

2775
03:18:05,440 --> 03:18:08,380
So we would, you know, again come back with a strategy for disposition,

2776
03:18:08,540 --> 03:18:10,800
whether that's an RFP to see if people are interested.

2777
03:18:10,800 --> 03:18:10,940
interested.

2778
03:18:11,820 --> 03:18:12,180
Interesting.

2779
03:18:12,980 --> 03:18:13,340
Interesting.

2780
03:18:13,500 --> 03:18:17,480
I'd only be interested in that if there was an actual use involved in it.

2781
03:18:17,480 --> 03:18:18,720
Well, ultimately there will be.

2782
03:18:19,100 --> 03:18:22,620
And I think what you're suggesting is that it would be reprogrammed and created a use.

2783
03:18:22,720 --> 03:18:22,960
Right.

2784
03:18:23,040 --> 03:18:26,920
And we would come back with a strategy on how to identify what the appropriate use is.

2785
03:18:26,980 --> 03:18:29,940
Again, whether that's putting it out to the public, putting it out to not-for-profits,

2786
03:18:30,040 --> 03:18:34,340
or coming back through a more detailed process, likely our REC department to see how they

2787
03:18:34,340 --> 03:18:35,180
would want to program it.

2788
03:18:35,700 --> 03:18:39,060
There are some limitations in that we don't have a budget identified for it right

2789
03:18:39,060 --> 03:18:39,260
now.

2790
03:18:39,260 --> 03:18:44,260
we think maybe it'll be about 150 grand to move over there and put out a foundation and

2791
03:18:44,260 --> 03:18:48,920
I think tenant improvements and utilities and everything else. There are another two fifty

2792
03:18:48,920 --> 03:18:57,360
two seventy five ish. So there was moved when it was moved to this side in 1976. So they

2793
03:18:57,360 --> 03:19:02,220
had the technology then to move it. So we probably figure out how to remove it. What's

2794
03:19:02,220 --> 03:19:04,900
all the utilities and roads and everything else we've built between now and then that

2795
03:19:04,900 --> 03:19:05,920
for the hang-up for us.

2796
03:19:07,260 --> 03:19:11,220
The last point in the staff report is,

2797
03:19:11,240 --> 03:19:14,320
is council supportive of relocating the senior program

2798
03:19:14,320 --> 03:19:16,220
to a new shared community center at City Park?

2799
03:19:17,420 --> 03:19:20,720
Or would council like to expand the feasibility search?

2800
03:19:21,080 --> 03:19:23,620
I think moving it to this location is identified

2801
03:19:23,620 --> 03:19:26,660
by the draft rec master plan

2802
03:19:26,660 --> 03:19:28,620
and kind of buffed out here by LA and this team

2803
03:19:28,620 --> 03:19:29,460
as they looked at parking.

2804
03:19:30,040 --> 03:19:31,320
I think we're just shy as a team

2805
03:19:31,320 --> 03:19:33,000
of kind of making that a formal recommendation.

2806
03:19:33,000 --> 03:19:38,460
and contingent on some additional study on the circulation, parking, and access considerations.

2807
03:19:39,440 --> 03:19:44,400
The floor plan from Craig's initial program works pretty well here.

2808
03:19:45,640 --> 03:19:49,600
Wreck hasn't had time, nor has Rav had time to kind of get their arms around whether this

2809
03:19:49,600 --> 03:19:53,760
is a priority use for the mark, you know, in my mind, in my mind only.

2810
03:19:54,880 --> 03:19:58,120
I don't, you know, the seniors have been really good about saying, hey, we're comfortable

2811
03:19:58,860 --> 03:20:01,180
being moved, we're comfortable going to a new building.

2812
03:20:01,180 --> 03:20:06,760
We're even comfortable probably with an interim place or a temporary location, but we want to know where that is

2813
03:20:06,760 --> 03:20:11,600
We want some security and certainty and in my mind looking at the mark

2814
03:20:11,600 --> 03:20:15,120
You're starting to compete for space needs for the recreation program

2815
03:20:15,120 --> 03:20:20,200
And I think and again, this is in my mind only you're starting to really worry about or compete with funding sources

2816
03:20:20,200 --> 03:20:24,500
You've got a rec master plan that identifies indoor rec space ice and

2817
03:20:26,520 --> 03:20:27,000
Ken

2818
03:20:29,340 --> 03:20:34,120
In quantities, thank you, plus priorities, and if we're talking about, you know, a funding

2819
03:20:34,120 --> 03:20:37,780
source that isn't out there, whether it's a GO bond or whatnot, I think the seniors

2820
03:20:37,780 --> 03:20:41,440
probably start to say, gosh, that's really uncertain and the timing is really uncertain

2821
03:20:41,440 --> 03:20:43,160
and I think they're less certain.

2822
03:20:43,260 --> 03:20:46,680
So that's why Diane and I came out with a stronger recommendation in the staff report

2823
03:20:47,180 --> 03:20:48,700
to really just focus on this site.

2824
03:20:49,680 --> 03:20:51,860
So that's probably longer than y'all wanted to hear from me.

2825
03:20:51,900 --> 03:20:54,780
We can put a lot more detail at any of the things that we talked about for you.

2826
03:20:57,750 --> 03:20:59,030
Craig, did you want to add anything?

2827
03:20:59,410 --> 03:21:00,310
No, I think you hit everything.

2828
03:21:01,310 --> 03:21:01,850
All right.

2829
03:21:02,950 --> 03:21:04,170
Ma'am, you want to go first?

2830
03:21:04,630 --> 03:21:07,510
Yeah. Can we just go from...

2831
03:21:07,510 --> 03:21:08,830
Sure. All right. Sure.

2832
03:21:09,390 --> 03:21:13,610
So I think my big question is I was reading this and I kept going back and trying to find it.

2833
03:21:13,890 --> 03:21:17,310
Have the seniors come to some sort of a consensus

2834
03:21:17,310 --> 03:21:18,850
where they'd like to be?

2835
03:21:19,170 --> 03:21:23,330
I mean, have they been asked and said that we don't...

2836
03:21:23,330 --> 03:21:26,670
As seniors, we don't think this facility works for us even if it was moved.

2837
03:21:26,670 --> 03:21:35,660
We have presented this as far as having the location at the city park location.

2838
03:21:36,200 --> 03:21:41,880
We did go on a tour to look at a couple of different rec centers and that's where the

2839
03:21:41,880 --> 03:21:43,620
conversation about the mark came up.

2840
03:21:44,100 --> 03:21:50,400
Some of what the seniors have asked for is some senior programming at the mark but

2841
03:21:50,400 --> 03:21:54,760
in addition to that I think there's additional programming that's more community focused

2842
03:21:54,760 --> 03:21:58,900
or arts, crafts, things along those lines.

2843
03:21:59,540 --> 03:22:01,940
And so I think there's a combination of both

2844
03:22:01,940 --> 03:22:04,400
when we heard back from the seniors

2845
03:22:04,400 --> 03:22:07,420
at the last open house and from a number of people,

2846
03:22:08,140 --> 03:22:10,220
there is a desire to have programming

2847
03:22:10,220 --> 03:22:12,540
at the mark for seniors.

2848
03:22:13,160 --> 03:22:14,560
But in addition to that,

2849
03:22:14,600 --> 03:22:16,680
I think this also meets a lot of their needs.

2850
03:22:17,180 --> 03:22:18,700
So more than anything,

2851
03:22:18,940 --> 03:22:22,380
I think they've come up with a list of amenities

2852
03:22:22,380 --> 03:22:24,380
that they would like to see wherever they are.

2853
03:22:25,100 --> 03:22:28,760
And that is parking, ADA, transit, kitchen,

2854
03:22:29,640 --> 03:22:33,800
space for their lunches between 80 to 120 people,

2855
03:22:34,540 --> 03:22:37,460
and then a comfortable space where they can convene

2856
03:22:37,460 --> 03:22:40,120
with pool tables and different things like that.

2857
03:22:40,780 --> 03:22:43,420
And so I think that's more of their focus,

2858
03:22:43,840 --> 03:22:45,640
and they do wanna know where they're gonna go.

2859
03:22:46,100 --> 03:22:47,680
I'm sure, yeah, absolutely.

2860
03:22:48,360 --> 03:22:49,740
So what is it about the floor plan

2861
03:22:49,740 --> 03:22:51,640
of the current facility that doesn't work?

2862
03:22:52,200 --> 03:22:54,620
Well, there's a couple of things about the existing building

2863
03:22:54,620 --> 03:22:55,260
as it is.

2864
03:22:56,560 --> 03:22:59,080
The way it currently is structured,

2865
03:23:00,480 --> 03:23:03,640
you have to come up right into the space.

2866
03:23:03,800 --> 03:23:07,080
There's no place to create a sort of vestibule

2867
03:23:07,080 --> 03:23:08,580
without reducing the quality of the space.

2868
03:23:09,140 --> 03:23:11,680
It's a very narrow space, and then it has sort of a bulbous

2869
03:23:11,680 --> 03:23:12,700
build out on the end.

2870
03:23:12,860 --> 03:23:16,180
And so it's broken into pieces that aren't very flexible.

2871
03:23:17,000 --> 03:23:23,380
They do a good, pretty good job with what they have and the uses and so long term that

2872
03:23:23,380 --> 03:23:29,980
building itself isn't big enough without the addition and the addition is part of the problem

2873
03:23:29,980 --> 03:23:33,440
because it's not as flexible with the existing building.

2874
03:23:33,820 --> 03:23:35,700
So there's a couple of different things that go with it.

2875
03:23:36,760 --> 03:23:41,140
And we did meet with seniors and made presentation about what we were looking for, asking them

2876
03:23:41,140 --> 03:23:44,540
questions about what their uses are and I've sort of identified what the floor

2877
03:23:44,540 --> 03:23:50,140
area is and the components of that and we feel pretty comfortable that it will work well

2878
03:23:50,140 --> 03:23:51,100
in this other location.

2879
03:23:51,620 --> 03:23:51,920
Okay.

2880
03:23:52,800 --> 03:23:53,360
All right.

2881
03:23:53,700 --> 03:23:54,100
Thank you.

2882
03:23:55,240 --> 03:23:55,440
Okay.

2883
03:23:57,880 --> 03:24:03,720
On issue one, I am interested in moving it off the current site.

2884
03:24:04,860 --> 03:24:09,860
On question two, I would like to look at repurposing rather than demolishing.

2885
03:24:09,860 --> 03:24:17,740
And on question three, I am inclined to agree that we shouldn't be delving into the mark

2886
03:24:17,740 --> 03:24:21,560
right now because there's too much uncertainty and we haven't gone far enough in the master

2887
03:24:21,560 --> 03:24:21,920
plan.

2888
03:24:22,160 --> 03:24:26,980
And that could be a very long drawn out process and it could have implications for everything

2889
03:24:26,980 --> 03:24:31,440
that we're doing over in the Woodside area with our land over there.

2890
03:24:31,720 --> 03:24:36,700
So I'm in favor of the recommendations that were put forth in the report.

2891
03:24:40,900 --> 03:24:43,880
I too am in favor of removing it from the site.

2892
03:24:44,680 --> 03:24:46,220
I would love to see it preserved.

2893
03:24:46,540 --> 03:24:51,440
I don't really like any of the locations that have been proposed there.

2894
03:24:51,660 --> 03:24:58,580
So maybe you want to expand our circle, see if the county has any uses for it or there's someplace else we can find.

2895
03:24:58,720 --> 03:25:02,340
I'm not too concerned about the ultimate location of it because it wasn't here to begin with.

2896
03:25:03,600 --> 03:25:09,220
And as far as the mark goes, I've always thought that could be a good marriage between

2897
03:25:09,220 --> 03:25:13,440
the mark and the senior center. Certainly a lot of the seniors use the mark and you

2898
03:25:13,440 --> 03:25:17,060
see them there on a regular basis. And I think it has great access, good parking.

2899
03:25:17,740 --> 03:25:20,880
I think it creates a nice social mix to do that.

2900
03:25:21,220 --> 03:25:23,440
So I would be okay with exploring that further.

2901
03:25:23,680 --> 03:25:27,460
I also really like the idea of having it in the rec building at City Park, though.

2902
03:25:27,460 --> 03:25:29,520
So I think either one could work.

2903
03:25:30,620 --> 03:25:35,200
One thing to consider is when we, depending on timing,

2904
03:25:35,500 --> 03:25:38,220
it seems like we may want to demolish the senior center,

2905
03:25:38,440 --> 03:25:40,380
or excuse me, relocate the senior center

2906
03:25:40,380 --> 03:25:43,240
prior to the completion of the rec building.

2907
03:25:43,400 --> 03:25:45,700
And I wonder at that point if it makes sense

2908
03:25:45,700 --> 03:25:47,960
to temporarily set the seniors up in the mark,

2909
03:25:48,040 --> 03:25:49,860
maybe in the rec room, I don't know,

2910
03:25:50,400 --> 03:25:52,200
Ken, if that's an underutilized space.

2911
03:25:52,920 --> 03:25:54,700
It seems like there's a large space down there,

2912
03:25:54,720 --> 03:25:56,620
but that would kind of test it a little bit.

2913
03:25:56,620 --> 03:26:02,000
And I think we could see how that works at that point and whether we want to explore that further or whether we should be

2914
03:26:03,100 --> 03:26:04,800
Building the facility at the city park

2915
03:26:06,790 --> 03:26:15,010
Thanks, Andy. I'll give my comment as well. I think I agree with Andy except that I'm intrigued by keeping the

2916
03:26:17,930 --> 03:26:22,790
The original I guess what do we call it the key lead train station

2917
03:26:22,790 --> 03:26:27,890
Yes, I'd like to see it stay in the community somewhere somehow. I think that's a value to us

2918
03:26:27,890 --> 03:26:31,990
You know, it's it's the way towns evolve and change

2919
03:26:31,990 --> 03:26:36,910
You know you do shift buildings from time to time and they do get shipped into town

2920
03:26:36,910 --> 03:26:38,130
I'd like to see it stay here

2921
03:26:38,710 --> 03:26:40,410
But I'm otherwise I'm with Andy

2922
03:26:41,250 --> 03:26:42,890
With regard to the mark as well

2923
03:26:42,890 --> 03:26:44,870
back up

2924
03:26:44,870 --> 03:26:47,390
Can you pop the questions up again?

2925
03:26:49,330 --> 03:26:54,270
Okay, so yes, I am in favor that the senior building should be removed from its current

2926
03:26:54,270 --> 03:27:03,330
location and I also, I mean if it works there and that you can find a really great purpose

2927
03:27:03,330 --> 03:27:08,290
to have it by the skate park, great, but I don't, I'd love to see it not demolished,

2928
03:27:08,330 --> 03:27:11,370
I'd love to see it moved to somewhere but I'm not really particular about where it's

2929
03:27:11,370 --> 03:27:16,410
moved to and if we can't find a really good location for it in town then I'm

2930
03:27:16,410 --> 03:27:18,850
not opposed to it being located further out in the county.

2931
03:27:19,550 --> 03:27:21,770
As far as the location of the new senior center,

2932
03:27:21,990 --> 03:27:23,950
I think that was one of the really exciting things

2933
03:27:23,950 --> 03:27:26,170
we talked about at the master recreation planning

2934
03:27:26,170 --> 03:27:28,870
was that they are really looking at doing

2935
03:27:28,870 --> 03:27:30,790
the community center at City Park

2936
03:27:30,790 --> 03:27:33,750
as a really good area with good access

2937
03:27:33,750 --> 03:27:35,370
and good access to bathrooms

2938
03:27:35,370 --> 03:27:37,030
and there is a plan for a commercial kitchen

2939
03:27:37,030 --> 03:27:39,410
to be in there and that it could really be

2940
03:27:39,410 --> 03:27:41,590
an area that is designed to meet the needs

2941
03:27:41,590 --> 03:27:42,930
of the seniors in this community.

2942
03:27:42,930 --> 03:27:47,670
and then it didn't sound like it was going to be a great fit.

2943
03:27:47,890 --> 03:27:51,550
It's at the mark unless I mean to do a full senior center

2944
03:27:51,550 --> 03:27:54,430
at the mark you would also have to have a commercial kitchen

2945
03:27:54,430 --> 03:27:56,950
put in out there, but there's always the opportunity

2946
03:27:56,950 --> 03:27:59,910
to have shared use between both centers

2947
03:27:59,910 --> 03:28:03,150
and you know, you do, you see a lot of seniors

2948
03:28:03,150 --> 03:28:04,130
at the mark already.

2949
03:28:04,890 --> 03:28:06,930
And I don't think, I think that would be probably

2950
03:28:06,930 --> 03:28:09,410
the biggest problem with having it be a temporary location

2951
03:28:09,410 --> 03:28:11,710
is how would you do lunches at the mark.

2952
03:28:11,710 --> 03:28:16,210
So I think that it is going to be really imperative that we find a temporary location

2953
03:28:16,210 --> 03:28:19,810
that does meet that need so that they continue to have those social opportunities

2954
03:28:19,810 --> 03:28:22,770
and that their lunch program isn't interrupted.

2955
03:28:24,990 --> 03:28:25,430
Sandeep.

2956
03:28:28,010 --> 03:28:35,090
I'm in favor of moving the location of the senior center and the building.

2957
03:28:35,310 --> 03:28:36,850
I don't like that spot where you picked.

2958
03:28:36,850 --> 03:28:45,650
But I just don't see the use, a very good use there, so I don't like that spot where you picked it.

2959
03:28:45,930 --> 03:28:47,970
I don't want to move a building just to move a building.

2960
03:28:48,770 --> 03:28:52,510
I'm all for historic preservation, but we have to have uses for things.

2961
03:28:56,250 --> 03:29:02,570
So anyway, I don't like that spot, but maybe I could be convinced.

2962
03:29:02,570 --> 03:29:08,970
but you know I think that one thing that the seniors really are concerned about is

2963
03:29:08,970 --> 03:29:20,250
parking and acts you know and access so if the parking can be worked out at the

2964
03:29:20,250 --> 03:29:25,510
rec building I think that that is at the in the city park I think that's the

2965
03:29:25,510 --> 03:29:29,950
preferred location as long as the parking can be worked out we said you

2966
03:29:29,950 --> 03:29:32,750
still has a lot of work to do on that, or a little bit of work to do?

2967
03:29:32,930 --> 03:29:34,330
We recently engaged with a,

2968
03:29:36,590 --> 03:29:39,290
not a, not a ton, Alfred Nance is engaged with the

2969
03:29:39,290 --> 03:29:43,110
traffic engineer to, to do some study of current inventory at City Park and make

2970
03:29:43,110 --> 03:29:46,910
some assumptions on a shared use scenario in terms of hours of operation

2971
03:29:46,910 --> 03:29:51,790
and rec programs and what happens at the park to make some assumptions that it

2972
03:29:51,790 --> 03:29:55,110
can work. And we'll work and, and Craig and his team have designed some

2973
03:29:55,110 --> 03:29:58,570
additional capacity and concept with the drawing you're looking at there

2974
03:29:59,150 --> 03:29:59,710
around miners.

2975
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:09,880
Because I think most seniors do arrive at the senior center in their own cars, or they share

2976
03:30:09,880 --> 03:30:14,940
a ride with friends, because I think I mentioned that when I went to lunch with the seniors,

2977
03:30:16,120 --> 03:30:22,600
there wasn't 80 to 100 people at lunch. There was more like 30, but the parking lot was full.

2978
03:30:23,220 --> 03:30:28,680
So if there were 80 to 100 people, I don't know where you guys parked then, on top of

2979
03:30:28,680 --> 03:30:36,460
each other or something, but, you know, it's certainly, you know, they don't want to

2980
03:30:36,460 --> 03:30:37,820
have to walk very far.

2981
03:30:38,040 --> 03:30:41,300
This would be a second floor senior center?

2982
03:30:41,600 --> 03:30:47,220
No, this is on the main level, it's all primary entrance, the opportunity for shared

2983
03:30:47,220 --> 03:30:52,680
uses, as you discussed, and sort of an expanded use is much greater by being located

2984
03:30:52,680 --> 03:30:54,280
with the recreation facility.

2985
03:30:54,920 --> 03:31:00,480
And I think the current, there's maybe 14 spots at the current, one or two more than

2986
03:31:00,480 --> 03:31:03,040
that, and here we've got a number, we've got a first of all.

2987
03:31:03,040 --> 03:31:04,500
I see you said there's only 14 spots.

2988
03:31:04,780 --> 03:31:06,540
That's about all there is in the parking lot, yeah.

2989
03:31:07,180 --> 03:31:08,140
It's pretty small.

2990
03:31:08,820 --> 03:31:10,180
I thought I counted them.

2991
03:31:10,660 --> 03:31:14,500
They'll use the fire station and they'll use all the street parking, and there is

2992
03:31:14,500 --> 03:31:18,400
a large portion to drive, there are some that don't, and I have a little bit of

2993
03:31:18,400 --> 03:31:20,500
experience with that with my father-in-law.

2994
03:31:21,840 --> 03:31:22,240
Do

2995
03:31:25,700 --> 03:31:27,860
you want to summarize that one, Diane?

2996
03:31:29,280 --> 03:31:30,880
Did you do anything about it?

2997
03:31:31,080 --> 03:31:32,760
Yes, yes, no. Yes, yes, maybe.

2998
03:31:36,140 --> 03:31:38,960
I think it sounds to me like we're all in favor of moving to building.

2999
03:31:39,420 --> 03:31:45,680
Okay, there seems to be some question about where it may go or what its purpose may be.

3000
03:31:46,240 --> 03:31:47,820
But I think you can get creative.

3001
03:31:48,320 --> 03:31:52,640
I mean, who knows, you know, could be a Latino community center or whatever.

3002
03:31:52,640 --> 03:31:55,780
excuse me, not giving direction.

3003
03:31:57,900 --> 03:32:02,180
And it seems like the majority of Council would like

3004
03:32:02,180 --> 03:32:10,360
to explore the site at the existing recreation building location. Is that correct?

3005
03:32:11,200 --> 03:32:18,020
However, Andy and I like the mark because seniors I can vouch for, they like exercise

3006
03:32:18,020 --> 03:32:18,440
too.

3007
03:32:19,560 --> 03:32:23,520
They're not actually technically excluded because I see Paul there all the time.

3008
03:32:24,720 --> 03:32:25,680
All right.

3009
03:32:25,880 --> 03:32:26,120
Okay.

3010
03:32:26,760 --> 03:32:31,360
So just I wanted to add one piece of data and then had asked we had a discussion about

3011
03:32:31,360 --> 03:32:38,080
this last night and I included an email from Ken Fisher from a transparency perspective

3012
03:32:38,080 --> 03:32:43,680
just wanting to let council know and there was a line in there about because there are

3013
03:32:43,680 --> 03:32:46,260
a lot of basin participants.

3014
03:32:46,260 --> 03:32:51,640
when today and talk to staff about what percent of people at the Park CV senior

3015
03:32:51,640 --> 03:32:55,840
center live within city limits they actually have some I believe it's

3016
03:32:55,840 --> 03:32:59,640
database numbers where they've you know actually know where people live it

3017
03:32:59,640 --> 03:33:04,480
looks like it's somewhere between Rota's number was 16, Lynn's number was up to

3018
03:33:04,480 --> 03:33:10,660
20 percent but it's not live within the city which is which is a little

3019
03:33:10,660 --> 03:33:14,900
surprising I mean and I realize you you know when you go to the senior

3020
03:33:14,900 --> 03:33:17,000
and you're saying, you know a lot of the people.

3021
03:33:17,580 --> 03:33:20,440
And the reality is sometimes people, they live in the city

3022
03:33:20,440 --> 03:33:22,180
and then they move out to the basin or something.

3023
03:33:23,080 --> 03:33:25,480
When you wrote a clarified,

3024
03:33:25,780 --> 03:33:28,180
when you look at school district boundaries,

3025
03:33:28,900 --> 03:33:31,800
the number, it raises that percentage

3026
03:33:31,800 --> 03:33:34,200
to between 65 and 80% live

3027
03:33:34,200 --> 03:33:36,280
within the school district boundaries.

3028
03:33:37,760 --> 03:33:39,000
Okay, great.

3029
03:33:39,640 --> 03:33:39,740
John?

3030
03:33:39,780 --> 03:33:40,980
Your Honor, just to be clear,

3031
03:33:40,980 --> 03:33:46,420
we have a public hearing or a staff, excuse me, there's an opportunity to provide public

3032
03:33:46,420 --> 03:33:49,940
input during the normal part of your meeting, which happens after a quick break.

3033
03:33:50,040 --> 03:33:53,640
Yeah, if there's anybody that would like to talk about this, we'll open it up during

3034
03:33:53,640 --> 03:33:58,740
our regular session, but we're going to take five minutes and we'll come back to our regular

3035
03:33:58,740 --> 03:33:59,140
session.

3036
03:33:59,560 --> 03:33:59,940
Thank you.

3037
03:34:00,440 --> 03:34:00,620
We

3038
03:34:12,390 --> 03:34:20,750
have a meeting for the City Council for November 3rd, 2016, thank you very much.

3039
03:34:21,350 --> 03:34:23,870
First on the agenda's roll call, and we're all here.

3040
03:34:24,910 --> 03:34:27,910
Second is communications and disclosures from Council and staff.

3041
03:34:29,130 --> 03:34:29,910
Anything, Diane?

3042
03:34:30,270 --> 03:34:30,750
Yes, sir.

3043
03:34:38,060 --> 03:34:38,840
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

3044
03:34:39,080 --> 03:34:41,080
I know that this has been leaked a couple of times,

3045
03:34:41,200 --> 03:34:43,800
but we're desperately proud of Anya Ground,

3046
03:34:44,320 --> 03:34:45,780
and I can't give her a raise.

3047
03:34:46,000 --> 03:34:48,360
So let me give you to her new credentials.

3048
03:34:48,540 --> 03:34:51,540
She traveled twice back to back east,

3049
03:34:51,780 --> 03:34:54,100
finally up in Washington, D.C.,

3050
03:34:54,100 --> 03:34:59,440
where she received her Historic Real Estate Development Finance Professional Certification,

3051
03:35:00,340 --> 03:35:06,100
which allows her to provide guidance in housing development and rental house development in

3052
03:35:06,100 --> 03:35:11,280
exceptionally complex historic homes. We're very proud of her. We appreciate your supporting

3053
03:35:11,280 --> 03:35:14,140
and allows us to do that. Gradually, Anya Granton.

3054
03:35:18,920 --> 03:35:20,140
All the planners we're going to stand up.

3055
03:35:20,140 --> 03:35:21,480
Anya, you have to stand up.

3056
03:35:25,280 --> 03:35:25,960
Thank you.

3057
03:35:26,200 --> 03:35:26,480
Thank you.

3058
03:35:26,620 --> 03:35:27,020
Thank you.

3059
03:35:27,360 --> 03:35:27,480
Thank you, Chris.

3060
03:35:27,480 --> 03:35:35,300
Thanks Diane. Anything else? Anyone else? We'll go into the next section, which is the

3061
03:35:35,300 --> 03:35:40,080
Open Public Input Opportunity. Anybody that would like to speak on anything that is not

3062
03:35:40,080 --> 03:35:44,340
on the agenda this evening or that was in the earlier discussion in our work session,

3063
03:35:44,940 --> 03:35:48,330
this is your time to come forward and give your name and...

3064
03:35:51,700 --> 03:35:58,600
Sure, sure, sure. Hi, Angela Mosquera. Hi, Angela.

3065
03:35:59,740 --> 03:36:02,740
How are you? Good.

3066
03:36:03,440 --> 03:36:06,200
Good. Bien, gracias.

3067
03:36:07,280 --> 03:36:15,640
I just want to weigh in on some of the CAC stuff that was discussed earlier. I did

3068
03:36:15,640 --> 03:36:21,700
did attend one of the committee meetings. I'm really pleased to hear tonight that environmental

3069
03:36:21,700 --> 03:36:24,140
impact mitigation is a concern.

3070
03:36:26,420 --> 03:36:30,400
But I think that maybe there are some improvements that

3071
03:36:30,400 --> 03:36:33,860
could be made to this process. Again, I think another really great thing is the addition

3072
03:36:33,860 --> 03:36:41,000
of some residents to the committee. But I look at all of the negative feedback that's

3073
03:36:41,000 --> 03:36:45,980
kind of offered in conversation that was offered at the meeting, it's really anecdotal. And

3074
03:36:45,980 --> 03:36:52,500
so the lack of data for the case against events concerns me, and I still think that there's

3075
03:36:52,500 --> 03:36:57,600
a real lack of communication. Some of the larger event organizers that would fall into

3076
03:36:57,600 --> 03:37:01,920
category one that I've spoken to haven't really been aware that this process has

3077
03:37:01,920 --> 03:37:08,000
been carrying on as long as it has. They're not sure how to get involved in it, and

3078
03:37:08,000 --> 03:37:09,540
and they haven't been aware that their events

3079
03:37:09,540 --> 03:37:10,720
maybe were at risk.

3080
03:37:11,420 --> 03:37:13,540
I look at Park Silly and the soccer tournament.

3081
03:37:13,920 --> 03:37:14,940
I think kudos to them.

3082
03:37:15,020 --> 03:37:16,620
They've been really engaged in the process

3083
03:37:17,120 --> 03:37:19,200
and great at sharing data.

3084
03:37:19,720 --> 03:37:22,060
There's been a real willingness to work towards solutions

3085
03:37:22,520 --> 03:37:24,520
and I think that they've been able to well quantify

3086
03:37:24,520 --> 03:37:26,440
their impact and benefits.

3087
03:37:28,000 --> 03:37:30,720
And I know that there are more event organizers

3088
03:37:30,720 --> 03:37:33,920
who again would be willing to be involved in the process.

3089
03:37:34,400 --> 03:37:36,020
I heard Jason and Jenny on the radio

3090
03:37:36,020 --> 03:37:40,560
talking about working with individual event organizers to mitigate impacts,

3091
03:37:41,040 --> 03:37:44,920
but I wonder if that's really the best strategy and best use of time.

3092
03:37:45,360 --> 03:37:51,180
My suggestion would be to involve especially level one event organizers in the process now,

3093
03:37:52,460 --> 03:37:59,480
not trying to add layers upon layers and make this a more complicated process,

3094
03:37:59,740 --> 03:38:03,400
but I think maybe establishing some sort of forum with them

3095
03:38:03,400 --> 03:38:06,980
that is held quarterly at least.

3096
03:38:07,580 --> 03:38:09,980
I think these are people that have tremendous experience

3097
03:38:09,980 --> 03:38:12,020
in producing events, not just here in Park City,

3098
03:38:12,080 --> 03:38:14,100
but elsewhere, and that they could really add

3099
03:38:14,100 --> 03:38:18,080
some valuable ideas, perhaps, to the discussion.

3100
03:38:18,780 --> 03:38:22,000
I think they obviously see the value in Park City.

3101
03:38:22,580 --> 03:38:25,760
They value our community, and would be more than willing

3102
03:38:25,760 --> 03:38:29,020
to work with the community to mitigate impacts

3103
03:38:29,420 --> 03:38:30,980
and increase community involvement.

3104
03:38:32,260 --> 03:38:36,040
I think Julian Carr, I messaged him while I was sitting here.

3105
03:38:36,480 --> 03:38:39,900
He is a pro skier, he is pro snow, as we all learned recently.

3106
03:38:40,480 --> 03:38:46,220
And he is organizer of the Discrete Peak Series, which now is at multiple mountains in multiple states.

3107
03:38:47,080 --> 03:38:51,560
He said that I could volunteer him in the event that such a committee or forum is organized.

3108
03:38:52,080 --> 03:38:54,180
So again, I just turned back to communication.

3109
03:38:54,900 --> 03:39:00,140
I think that it is up to the city to find better ways to communicate with residents

3110
03:39:00,140 --> 03:39:02,440
about what's coming, when, and why.

3111
03:39:03,100 --> 03:39:05,000
Why we're bringing these events to Park City

3112
03:39:05,000 --> 03:39:07,040
and the value that everybody believes that they hold.

3113
03:39:07,780 --> 03:39:10,240
And then I would suggest placing the burden of communication

3114
03:39:10,240 --> 03:39:13,480
on event organizers in order that they communicate

3115
03:39:13,480 --> 03:39:16,980
to their participants the values that Park City holds

3116
03:39:16,980 --> 03:39:19,960
and how to come in here and respect those values

3117
03:39:19,960 --> 03:39:20,900
and respect the community.

3118
03:39:21,420 --> 03:39:21,900
Thank you.

3119
03:39:22,140 --> 03:39:22,640
Thank you, Angela.

3120
03:39:25,690 --> 03:39:26,090
Welcome.

3121
03:39:26,590 --> 03:39:27,010
Hey.

3122
03:39:28,070 --> 03:39:29,950
I am Gen. C. Carrings and Plummer,

3123
03:39:29,950 --> 03:39:39,370
and I have with me Ruth, Dr. Ruth, Zimmer-Newbacher, and we had first gone to the meeting over at

3124
03:39:39,370 --> 03:39:42,910
the Santee Library the week after those two boys died.

3125
03:39:44,690 --> 03:39:50,430
We both have teams in the system here and have been feeling very passionately that our

3126
03:39:50,430 --> 03:39:57,670
city is at the point in growth that we need to have a more coordinated effort to either

3127
03:39:57,670 --> 03:40:03,190
knit together the existing teen programming and supplement and find places to broaden

3128
03:40:03,190 --> 03:40:10,430
the reach further down into our ECHR students and empower the kids to help each other with

3129
03:40:10,430 --> 03:40:14,950
peer-to-peer programs, but also to get a place for them to see that concerned adults

3130
03:40:15,470 --> 03:40:21,750
in this community come forward and help, just help them, help anchor themselves into

3131
03:40:21,750 --> 03:40:25,870
who they are and give them a stronger sense of better choices that they can be

3132
03:40:25,870 --> 03:40:32,470
making. Ruth is an MD who is putting together a holistic program to try and give the kids

3133
03:40:33,790 --> 03:40:38,430
better tools for managing stress and that sort of thing. And we unfortunately missed

3134
03:40:38,430 --> 03:40:42,590
the earlier discussion because we thought it was now about the communities that care,

3135
03:40:42,910 --> 03:40:48,270
that we just wanted to go on the record, that we really want to push our city and

3136
03:40:48,270 --> 03:40:53,410
our county to work together to that end. So there will be another opportunity to

3137
03:40:53,410 --> 03:40:59,910
engage on that communities with care aspect and appreciate your input.

3138
03:41:01,670 --> 03:41:02,830
Thank you very much.

3139
03:41:04,250 --> 03:41:06,170
I couldn't agree with you more.

3140
03:41:07,170 --> 03:41:07,770
Hello.

3141
03:41:08,010 --> 03:41:09,110
My name is Jason Bartow.

3142
03:41:09,510 --> 03:41:10,530
I'm a local arborist.

3143
03:41:10,610 --> 03:41:17,790
My first question is, will there be a possibility to comment on the consent agenda of item

3144
03:41:17,790 --> 03:41:20,970
number one, or is this my opportunity to speak about it?

3145
03:41:20,970 --> 03:41:21,850
We

3146
03:41:25,880 --> 03:41:30,160
can actually pull that off the consent agenda and give you that opportunity.

3147
03:41:31,020 --> 03:41:34,140
But since that's next on the agenda, why don't you weigh in?

3148
03:41:34,400 --> 03:41:34,800
All right.

3149
03:41:35,380 --> 03:41:36,960
Well, my name's Jason Bartow.

3150
03:41:37,700 --> 03:41:37,820
Mark?

3151
03:41:38,320 --> 03:41:42,320
Yeah, actually, I would, if you're going to do that, that requires a natural emotion.

3152
03:41:42,860 --> 03:41:47,560
So I would seek at the rest of this Council's, if anyone's interested in doing that.

3153
03:41:48,200 --> 03:41:50,840
Because if not, there wouldn't be, but he could still speak now.

3154
03:41:51,920 --> 03:41:54,440
So are you willing to pull that off the consent agenda?

3155
03:41:54,640 --> 03:41:55,280
Do I have a motion?

3156
03:41:57,220 --> 03:41:57,920
So moved.

3157
03:41:59,440 --> 03:41:59,840
Second.

3158
03:42:00,380 --> 03:42:00,820
Hall in favor?

3159
03:42:01,340 --> 03:42:01,820
All right.

3160
03:42:02,580 --> 03:42:03,000
All right.

3161
03:42:03,160 --> 03:42:04,280
It's off the consent agenda.

3162
03:42:04,480 --> 03:42:04,960
You may speak.

3163
03:42:05,100 --> 03:42:06,180
Wait. No. No.

3164
03:42:06,300 --> 03:42:06,740
No, sir.

3165
03:42:06,940 --> 03:42:07,120
Not quite.

3166
03:42:08,960 --> 03:42:10,200
So now you're still a number.

3167
03:42:10,620 --> 03:42:12,020
You're not down to that item.

3168
03:42:12,140 --> 03:42:15,000
You're on number two, so he's not yours.

3169
03:42:15,220 --> 03:42:16,180
All right.

3170
03:42:16,360 --> 03:42:17,200
Unless you're...

3171
03:42:17,200 --> 03:42:17,520
Hold on.

3172
03:42:17,680 --> 03:42:18,120
Let's just...

3173
03:42:18,120 --> 03:42:19,480
Anyone else who would like to speak?

3174
03:42:19,480 --> 03:42:20,180
Thank you.

3175
03:42:20,280 --> 03:42:20,360
Sorry.

3176
03:42:21,980 --> 03:42:27,080
Is there anyone else who would like to speak on any issue other than the stuff we have

3177
03:42:27,080 --> 03:42:27,600
on our agenda?

3178
03:42:28,300 --> 03:42:33,180
Seeing no one, we'll move on to the Consent Agenda, which is no longer a Consent Agenda.

3179
03:42:33,240 --> 03:42:34,860
Well, no, that's why there's two items.

3180
03:42:35,060 --> 03:42:37,060
So if you could approve the Consent Agenda.

3181
03:42:37,160 --> 03:42:38,940
Consent Agenda, agenda item number.

3182
03:42:39,940 --> 03:42:44,160
You're on a motion to approve Consent Agenda item number two, or a request to

3183
03:42:44,160 --> 03:42:50,580
the city manager to sign an interlocal cooperative agreement between Park City and Weaver Basin.

3184
03:42:51,920 --> 03:42:54,200
We have a motion and a second. All in favor?

3185
03:42:54,680 --> 03:42:55,000
Aye.

3186
03:42:55,360 --> 03:42:56,060
Motion carries.

3187
03:42:56,580 --> 03:42:56,680
Yeah.

3188
03:43:00,550 --> 03:43:01,330
Pardon me?

3189
03:43:01,810 --> 03:43:02,610
The senior center,

3190
03:43:05,160 --> 03:43:10,480
we offered the opportunity for people to speak on that and then we came

3191
03:43:10,480 --> 03:43:10,840
forward.

3192
03:43:12,140 --> 03:43:12,760
Do you have any reports?

3193
03:43:13,800 --> 03:43:18,280
Now, consent, what was consent, I remember, I want to request to optimize.

3194
03:43:18,640 --> 03:43:19,160
Yes, sorry.

3195
03:43:19,360 --> 03:43:22,060
There was a senior that wants to speak, he didn't.

3196
03:43:23,160 --> 03:43:27,480
I'm very sorry, so we're going to go back up to the problem again, but.

3197
03:43:28,440 --> 03:43:31,220
I wasn't going to speak, but since Andy invited me.

3198
03:43:31,640 --> 03:43:40,480
I'm Paul Wisniewski with the Senior Center, and my only comment is that temporary

3199
03:43:40,480 --> 03:43:47,740
temporary is a relative term, and I think that since we're in a hurry to demolish the

3200
03:43:47,740 --> 03:43:52,880
senior center, we need to choose carefully where we're going to be on a temporary basis

3201
03:43:53,420 --> 03:43:59,880
so that the space is functional and we don't lose most of our members due to the lack

3202
03:43:59,880 --> 03:44:05,900
of functionality. We don't expect the full commercial kitchen and temporary location,

3203
03:44:05,900 --> 03:44:11,080
But, you know, we should be able to carry on our normal activities.

3204
03:44:13,100 --> 03:44:16,140
So I'm sure Jonathan and the folks will look after us.

3205
03:44:16,500 --> 03:44:17,160
Thank you, Paul.

3206
03:44:18,080 --> 03:44:23,480
Given that I just had another birthday, I can identify with that temporary nature of things.

3207
03:44:24,000 --> 03:44:28,140
Now on to what was Consent Agenda Item Number 1.

3208
03:44:31,060 --> 03:44:32,960
Assuming there's no one else that wants to speak,

3209
03:44:35,410 --> 03:44:36,210
are you sure?

3210
03:44:37,770 --> 03:44:39,390
come on this

3211
03:44:42,400 --> 03:44:46,320
is regard to what we have on our agenda's consent agenda item number

3212
03:44:46,320 --> 03:44:50,600
one yes it was to authorize the city manager to sign a professional agreement

3213
03:44:50,600 --> 03:44:54,400
with the Bowens Collins associates were an on-call landscape architect

3214
03:44:54,400 --> 03:44:59,540
consultant services in a mount not to exceed seventy five thousand dollars in

3215
03:44:59,540 --> 03:44:59,680
former.

3216
03:45:01,320 --> 03:45:10,080
I guess my first question is my understanding is that this contract is to help execute the

3217
03:45:10,080 --> 03:45:13,460
community forest management plan. Is that correct?

3218
03:45:14,600 --> 03:45:15,440
That is correct.

3219
03:45:15,920 --> 03:45:21,720
Okay. So that's what I'm here to speak about. My name is Jason Bartow. I'm an ISA certified

3220
03:45:21,720 --> 03:45:27,580
arborist. I've attended the municipal forestry institute, the consulting arborist, American

3221
03:45:27,580 --> 03:45:29,100
and Consulting Arborist Academy,

3222
03:45:29,820 --> 03:45:32,360
and I was named the 2015 Arborist of the Year.

3223
03:45:32,980 --> 03:45:35,160
I'm the urban forester for South Salt Lake,

3224
03:45:35,520 --> 03:45:36,740
for the city of Francis.

3225
03:45:37,540 --> 03:45:40,160
I have a consulting arborist company called Arbor Docs,

3226
03:45:40,400 --> 03:45:43,060
and I run a nonprofit called Wasatchback Trees.

3227
03:45:45,080 --> 03:45:47,160
I think that we have some really strong credentials

3228
03:45:47,160 --> 03:45:48,460
in this area with Arborists,

3229
03:45:48,480 --> 03:45:51,100
and I would ask you to please consider

3230
03:45:51,100 --> 03:45:53,460
hiring a municipal arborist,

3231
03:45:53,500 --> 03:45:55,620
or to at least make sure that this landscape architect

3232
03:45:55,620 --> 03:45:57,840
is familiar with Municipal Forestry.

3233
03:45:58,600 --> 03:46:01,280
Too many times I've been called out as a consultant

3234
03:46:01,280 --> 03:46:05,900
to try to correct mistakes that were committed

3235
03:46:06,200 --> 03:46:08,520
in the design phase and the installation phase.

3236
03:46:08,960 --> 03:46:10,640
Some of that comes from landscape architects

3237
03:46:10,640 --> 03:46:12,500
not being out on the street.

3238
03:46:13,020 --> 03:46:16,060
So I'd ask you to strongly consider somebody either

3239
03:46:16,060 --> 03:46:17,860
to make sure that they have a strong

3240
03:46:17,860 --> 03:46:20,960
Municipal Forestry background if they are to be hired

3241
03:46:20,960 --> 03:46:23,020
or to consider somebody whose specialty

3242
03:46:23,020 --> 03:46:26,320
is municipal forestry in there to implement the plan.

3243
03:46:27,260 --> 03:46:28,300
That's what I have to say.

3244
03:46:28,300 --> 03:46:28,620
Good input.

3245
03:46:28,860 --> 03:46:30,160
Thank you very much, Jason.

3246
03:46:30,600 --> 03:46:30,880
Thank you.

3247
03:46:32,180 --> 03:46:33,260
Matt, you want to comment?

3248
03:46:33,760 --> 03:46:36,000
Mike Merritt is a member of the team,

3249
03:46:36,100 --> 03:46:38,140
and he is Sandy City's purpose.

3250
03:46:41,350 --> 03:46:41,710
Okay.

3251
03:46:42,130 --> 03:46:44,470
So you feel like, given that he's Sandy City

3252
03:46:44,470 --> 03:46:45,630
and they reach into the...

3253
03:46:45,630 --> 03:46:49,690
He has helped with the on-call landscape architect

3254
03:46:50,310 --> 03:46:53,970
program before, and he's well respected in the Valley,

3255
03:46:53,970 --> 03:46:55,790
and we felt very comfortable with him.

3256
03:46:57,270 --> 03:46:59,910
Was this gentleman's firm on the Swiss tier?

3257
03:47:00,670 --> 03:47:01,690
He did not propose.

3258
03:47:04,250 --> 03:47:07,170
We went for public procurement.

3259
03:47:08,050 --> 03:47:08,330
Good.

3260
03:47:09,710 --> 03:47:11,070
Any comments and or motion?

3261
03:47:13,850 --> 03:47:14,710
I have a comment.

3262
03:47:15,170 --> 03:47:15,370
Please.

3263
03:47:15,570 --> 03:47:18,910
I trimmed the trees in my yard back away from my house.

3264
03:47:19,630 --> 03:47:20,330
I did a good job.

3265
03:47:20,490 --> 03:47:21,990
I mean, I didn't do it, but the people who did it did a good job.

3266
03:47:21,990 --> 03:47:22,910
Is that how you hurt your shoulder?

3267
03:47:23,530 --> 03:47:24,770
I feel good about it.

3268
03:47:27,990 --> 03:47:34,390
I'll just, I'll make a motion to authorize the city manager to sign a professional services

3269
03:47:34,390 --> 03:47:39,990
agreement with Bowen and Collins and Associates on an on-call landscape architect consultant

3270
03:47:39,990 --> 03:47:46,190
services and a amount not to exceed $75,000 in a form approved by the city attorney.

3271
03:47:47,190 --> 03:47:48,630
Do we have a motion?

3272
03:47:48,770 --> 03:47:49,330
Do we have a second?

3273
03:47:49,790 --> 03:47:49,930
Second.

3274
03:47:51,010 --> 03:47:51,750
Bowen, favor?

3275
03:47:52,370 --> 03:47:52,550
Aye.

3276
03:47:52,930 --> 03:47:53,530
Motion carries.

3277
03:47:54,250 --> 03:47:54,770
Hey, Mon.

3278
03:47:55,190 --> 03:47:57,250
While you're up there, Matt, can I ask you one quick question?

3279
03:47:57,490 --> 03:47:57,590
Sure.

3280
03:47:57,950 --> 03:48:02,550
The Deer Valley Drive, you mentioned a while back that there was another phase that was

3281
03:48:02,550 --> 03:48:08,270
going to go in there, which had to do with landscaping after we disturbed the area when

3282
03:48:08,270 --> 03:48:12,390
we did the road, when we rebuilt the road and put it in the sidewalks.

3283
03:48:12,630 --> 03:48:16,410
And I'm just curious, is that still happening or has it happened?

3284
03:48:16,810 --> 03:48:21,090
And I'm talking about the, I guess it would be on the right-hand side as you're

3285
03:48:21,090 --> 03:48:24,030
leave in the roundabout heading toward Deer Valley before the bridge.

3286
03:48:24,750 --> 03:48:25,610
It has happened.

3287
03:48:25,770 --> 03:48:26,070
It has happened.

3288
03:48:26,070 --> 03:48:30,430
They've gone back and replaced quite a bit of landscape than I was put in a year ago.

3289
03:48:30,590 --> 03:48:31,410
So it has happened.

3290
03:48:31,850 --> 03:48:32,150
Okay.

3291
03:48:32,410 --> 03:48:32,610
Thanks.

3292
03:48:33,030 --> 03:48:33,510
Thanks, Matt.

3293
03:48:33,750 --> 03:48:33,870
Sure.

3294
03:48:34,370 --> 03:48:35,030
Thanks, Jason.

3295
03:48:36,570 --> 03:48:42,070
Next on the agenda is Old Business, a request to authorize the city manager to enter

3296
03:48:43,230 --> 03:48:48,210
into a professional service provider agreement in the form approved by the city's

3297
03:48:48,210 --> 03:48:57,770
attorney with GSBS, architects, and an amount not to exceed $510,000 for phase 3 design

3298
03:48:57,770 --> 03:49:02,730
development, construction documents, and administration, which is really the balance

3299
03:49:02,730 --> 03:49:08,450
of their service that would take you through the completion of construction.

3300
03:49:09,210 --> 03:49:09,530
Correct?

3301
03:49:10,410 --> 03:49:11,170
You're right.

3302
03:49:11,330 --> 03:49:15,230
Before you begin, I think I need to re-choose myself from this item due to my

3303
03:49:15,230 --> 03:49:16,770
business's proximity to it.

3304
03:49:16,770 --> 03:49:17,830
Thank you.

3305
03:49:21,350 --> 03:49:23,750
Don't say another word until Andy leaves the door.

3306
03:49:25,070 --> 03:49:28,170
And then Andy gets this and Andy gets that.

3307
03:49:30,150 --> 03:49:32,110
All right. What do you do?

3308
03:49:41,210 --> 03:49:47,490
It's been a few months since you reviewed the schematic design, and we're here to kind of

3309
03:49:47,490 --> 03:49:48,190
update you.

3310
03:49:48,510 --> 03:49:56,370
Since that time, we've got the schematic design estimate from the team back in.

3311
03:49:56,630 --> 03:49:57,730
Your mic's not on.

3312
03:49:58,210 --> 03:49:59,910
You're going to have to start all over again.

3313
03:50:01,910 --> 03:50:09,470
We got a schematic design estimate from the design team, and there were a few items that

3314
03:50:09,470 --> 03:50:18,250
were not included in the estimate, which increased the overall project budget, above the $7 million

3315
03:50:18,250 --> 03:50:29,890
dollar number that you all had agreed to for the project so staff looked at ways

3316
03:50:29,890 --> 03:50:35,950
to value engineer the project to meet that seven million dollar budget and there

3317
03:50:35,950 --> 03:50:40,850
was a group of staff from executive budget community development and

3318
03:50:40,850 --> 03:50:47,390
sustainability that reviewed it a few of the items they're listed in the

3319
03:50:47,390 --> 03:50:54,010
packet it's changing some of the materials and moving some of the items to

3320
03:50:54,010 --> 03:51:05,110
other funding sources and one of the other items that would would be looked

3321
03:51:05,110 --> 03:51:13,890
at is the elevator that was considered as a value engineer item but staff is

3322
03:51:13,890 --> 03:51:20,690
proposing to keep that in and proceed with the design and during the design

3323
03:51:20,690 --> 03:51:27,010
development process we'll be looking at whether that is an item that needs to come

3324
03:51:27,010 --> 03:51:34,010
out or something else might need to be moved at that time with the budget. So

3325
03:51:34,010 --> 03:51:38,110
we're we're if we go forward with the contract then we'll move into the

3326
03:51:38,110 --> 03:51:41,050
design development process, the planning process,

3327
03:51:41,610 --> 03:51:48,030
and we'll return with a refined design in budget

3328
03:51:49,370 --> 03:51:50,810
somewhere in that process.

3329
03:51:51,990 --> 03:51:56,250
So staff at this point is recommending

3330
03:51:56,250 --> 03:52:01,190
that we award the contract to GSBS for phase three

3331
03:52:02,110 --> 03:52:03,970
and proceed with the project.

3332
03:52:06,950 --> 03:52:07,610
Comments?

3333
03:52:08,770 --> 03:52:10,590
Ma'am, I want to go first.

3334
03:52:12,910 --> 03:52:22,190
On page 78 of the staff report, it reads in part that the plaza should create a park

3335
03:52:22,190 --> 03:52:28,090
space and allow for event uses but not specifically designed to promote them.

3336
03:52:28,590 --> 03:52:33,050
After the conversation we've just had with SEAC, it seems to me that having that

3337
03:52:33,050 --> 03:52:36,110
stage there is promoting events.

3338
03:52:36,110 --> 03:52:39,510
And so I'm wondering if that's a component that could come out of there.

3339
03:52:42,960 --> 03:52:48,960
It's more pavilion, so it's going to duplicate as pavilion and stage.

3340
03:52:49,700 --> 03:52:59,960
So it can be used as a stage, but it can also be used as a pavilion during the regular course of the day.

3341
03:53:01,760 --> 03:53:04,880
Yeah, tables and chairs so people can hang out undercover.

3342
03:53:04,880 --> 03:53:05,120
cover.

3343
03:53:05,420 --> 03:53:09,400
And have you come up with a way to mitigate the noise that we were concerned about going

3344
03:53:09,400 --> 03:53:13,440
up into the neighborhoods there if the band were to be on that stage?

3345
03:53:14,820 --> 03:53:19,780
You know, I would, if I could rely on the event regulatory process to create sound levels

3346
03:53:19,780 --> 03:53:24,380
and make sure we're consistent with the noise ordinance, building something to retain

3347
03:53:24,380 --> 03:53:29,080
the sound and orient it north is going to be more structure and more building.

3348
03:53:29,380 --> 03:53:31,960
We can certainly go through that process.

3349
03:53:33,780 --> 03:53:39,480
Okay. Good point. I think the sound is going to ricochet down the street potentially if

3350
03:53:39,480 --> 03:53:44,580
it's amplified sound. Down is good. It's not up into those areas.

3351
03:53:44,820 --> 03:53:49,180
Well, we'll throw out the ability. You've talked continually through the process about what's

3352
03:53:49,180 --> 03:53:54,340
the process to operate this plaza. We'll come back with a plan at some point to both

3353
03:53:54,340 --> 03:53:58,570
staff it, program it, and do that. And if there's an overriding set of goals or

3354
03:53:58,570 --> 03:54:01,970
operational plans, you know, like we're only going to do acoustic music at there or whatever.

3355
03:54:02,150 --> 03:54:03,330
We can, we'll have that conversation.

3356
03:54:04,590 --> 03:54:08,690
It just seems to me that it's silly to build something that we're going to have to mitigate

3357
03:54:09,270 --> 03:54:09,930
down the road.

3358
03:54:10,890 --> 03:54:16,770
So another question I have, I don't understand on page 82 when they're talking kind of in

3359
03:54:17,410 --> 03:54:22,370
where it says prepare construction documents, it says 30 percent, 60 percent, 90 percent.

3360
03:54:22,470 --> 03:54:23,030
What does that mean?

3361
03:54:26,090 --> 03:54:31,410
That's just we go through a preparation of those documents and we often have milestones

3362
03:54:31,410 --> 03:54:38,230
within those sets to discuss items that we need to coordinate with our client or internal

3363
03:54:38,230 --> 03:54:38,750
coordination.

3364
03:54:38,990 --> 03:54:45,290
So that's typically just some breakdown that you can see set of drawings and take

3365
03:54:45,290 --> 03:54:47,470
a look again and review those kinds of things.

3366
03:54:47,570 --> 03:54:51,150
I don't know that all those milestones must say presented in front of the city

3367
03:54:51,150 --> 03:54:51,530
council.

3368
03:54:51,530 --> 03:54:56,970
I feel like after we get into the construction document phase, it will be more of a facilities

3369
03:54:56,970 --> 03:55:02,010
type review, things like that to make sure that maintenance and operations as well as

3370
03:55:02,010 --> 03:55:05,550
streets and streets and those kinds of individuals are happy with the direction as well.

3371
03:55:06,490 --> 03:55:06,930
Okay.

3372
03:55:07,110 --> 03:55:13,090
And my last question, and we received some public comment in an e-mail about the traffic

3373
03:55:14,230 --> 03:55:18,190
study for the neighborhood up there, and I'm trying to figure out, do we need

3374
03:55:18,190 --> 03:55:22,130
to enter into this next phase in order to have that traffic study done?

3375
03:55:23,150 --> 03:55:23,870
Is that what I'm...

3376
03:55:23,870 --> 03:55:26,050
Generally, you want to, yeah, I mean, I believe you do.

3377
03:55:26,150 --> 03:55:28,490
You need to mature what the actual project's going to be.

3378
03:55:28,750 --> 03:55:30,910
You know, we have a concept or a schematic design right now.

3379
03:55:31,490 --> 03:55:34,570
And to really nail down that traffic study and the findings of it,

3380
03:55:34,670 --> 03:55:39,290
you need to vet the project more and to that about that 60% range.

3381
03:55:39,490 --> 03:55:42,150
And we can do that study consistent with that process.

3382
03:55:42,170 --> 03:55:46,170
Again, the next big milestone, if we move forward with this contract tonight,

3383
03:55:46,170 --> 03:55:49,730
we would return at the end of the design development,

3384
03:55:49,870 --> 03:55:51,470
which is give or take 60% drawings,

3385
03:55:51,950 --> 03:55:53,770
and that's the time where we can,

3386
03:55:54,810 --> 03:55:56,730
we'll make a decision whether we want to move forward

3387
03:55:56,730 --> 03:55:58,470
or take certain things out, whether it be an elevator

3388
03:55:58,470 --> 03:56:01,450
or a pavilion or whatever other things,

3389
03:56:01,530 --> 03:56:02,590
and we would bring the findings

3390
03:56:02,590 --> 03:56:04,970
of that traffic study forward then.

3391
03:56:05,390 --> 03:56:07,330
If it's something that you would like to see sooner,

3392
03:56:07,370 --> 03:56:08,670
that's easy to accommodate,

3393
03:56:08,850 --> 03:56:11,130
and we can prioritize that on the front end

3394
03:56:11,130 --> 03:56:13,110
of the planning as soon as that's reasonable.

3395
03:56:14,290 --> 03:56:16,270
Okay. Thank you. Any of my questions?

3396
03:56:16,730 --> 03:56:16,970
Thanks, Dan.

3397
03:56:18,410 --> 03:56:18,890
Becca?

3398
03:56:19,610 --> 03:56:24,890
In this schematic that we're looking at, is the grain roof accessible, or is that just

3399
03:56:26,050 --> 03:56:26,870
so good?

3400
03:56:27,230 --> 03:56:32,670
We were proposing in the value engineering matrix that we remove the grain roof and

3401
03:56:32,670 --> 03:56:37,010
use that for solar panels to help our net zero goal.

3402
03:56:37,230 --> 03:56:41,770
And will that also reduce the cost? Because I know that that was it says, you know,

3403
03:56:41,770 --> 03:56:44,870
So they require additional water and expensive to maintain and difficult to establish.

3404
03:56:45,730 --> 03:56:48,590
But I was just wondering, it's not something that's accessible.

3405
03:56:48,810 --> 03:56:50,810
Is it it's just the roof?

3406
03:56:50,990 --> 03:56:55,590
It's not like something that you can walk up the roof onto?

3407
03:56:55,590 --> 03:56:58,590
It isn't accessible from the ground level in any way.

3408
03:56:59,050 --> 03:57:01,410
There was some discussion with the play structure associated

3409
03:57:01,410 --> 03:57:03,990
that if there was some climbing portion to the play structure,

3410
03:57:04,090 --> 03:57:06,430
you could potentially get onto the roof as a green roof.

3411
03:57:06,430 --> 03:57:12,430
but it wouldn't be a standard version of accessible and those stairs are no elevators.

3412
03:57:12,450 --> 03:57:14,410
You said you're suggesting that it's being removed.

3413
03:57:14,430 --> 03:57:15,470
Yeah, it's being removed.

3414
03:57:16,010 --> 03:57:16,290
Correct.

3415
03:57:17,890 --> 03:57:18,930
All right.

3416
03:57:20,510 --> 03:57:20,770
Tim.

3417
03:57:21,750 --> 03:57:26,950
So I'm always a little suspicious when we start value engineering pretty much anything

3418
03:57:26,950 --> 03:57:32,870
because I think that there comes a point where you start to gut a project

3419
03:57:32,870 --> 03:57:35,530
and I don't get the sense that we're gutting the project

3420
03:57:35,530 --> 03:57:40,290
But maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong. I want to kind of explore that a little bit further

3421
03:57:40,290 --> 03:57:47,170
I know it's staff recommendation as we can do these things and still meet the goals and the intention and still have a really great plaza

3422
03:57:48,370 --> 03:57:55,630
And and I guess to some degree I'm wondering about why why do we need an elevator? Is that a

3423
03:57:55,630 --> 03:58:00,510
essential component to this does that start to get into the guts of the project or

3424
03:58:02,150 --> 03:58:03,470
You know because I

3425
03:58:04,510 --> 03:58:09,010
What's the difference between being able to walk up a ADA ramp versus taking an elevator?

3426
03:58:09,570 --> 03:58:18,050
It's a higher level of accessibility, which staff has heard comments about accessibility

3427
03:58:18,570 --> 03:58:23,450
on certain areas and also for events.

3428
03:58:24,030 --> 03:58:28,090
So it is somewhat of a concern, and it's a higher level.

3429
03:58:28,650 --> 03:58:30,570
We can go without the elevator.

3430
03:58:30,570 --> 03:58:37,150
Well, I'm looking at the only thing that jumps out at me from all your recommendations

3431
03:58:37,150 --> 03:58:41,770
is the elevator, and I'm not sure why, so I'm just trying to figure that out.

3432
03:58:41,890 --> 03:58:46,530
I'm trying to figure out how crucial, but it sounds like there's a back story from

3433
03:58:46,530 --> 03:58:52,930
history of issues with accessibility, and therefore we thought an elevator was fairly

3434
03:58:52,930 --> 03:58:53,450
essential.

3435
03:58:54,550 --> 03:59:02,410
And the elevator was included in the schematic design, which you all approved back in August.

3436
03:59:02,970 --> 03:59:05,110
Well, I think we approved a lot of things that we adjust.

3437
03:59:05,810 --> 03:59:12,850
Jim, at the end of the day, I think it starts the opinion that, I mean, the elevator is a complete discretion choice of the council.

3438
03:59:13,370 --> 03:59:13,530
Yeah.

3439
03:59:13,870 --> 03:59:22,690
And, you know, we had it in, and then we worked really hard through this process, and we took it out, and then we said,

3440
03:59:22,690 --> 03:59:28,430
particular about that level of service, we even look at some people we know and the current

3441
03:59:28,430 --> 03:59:31,650
challenges they have with accessibility and we thought, you know, I'm not sure it's the

3442
03:59:31,650 --> 03:59:34,930
right thing to do, so let's look at it as an additive alternative or a deductive alternative

3443
03:59:35,870 --> 03:59:39,350
situation so that when we do come back and we have the drawings really refined, we're

3444
03:59:39,350 --> 03:59:42,530
going to have that choice whether we want to keep it in or take it out, and that'll

3445
03:59:42,530 --> 03:59:46,830
be in the context of both the budget and what the plaza ultimately wants to do.

3446
03:59:46,830 --> 03:59:52,910
Besides the ADA accessible ramp, are there other ways, and I'm sure there are, I'm kind

3447
03:59:52,910 --> 03:59:57,250
of asking a question that I think I know the answer to, but I assume there might be other

3448
03:59:57,250 --> 03:59:59,690
ways to also increase accessibility.

3449
04:00:16,020 --> 04:00:24,960
So the main street itself has some grading difficulties. Even though it is seen as a pretty

3450
04:00:24,960 --> 04:00:33,140
flat entry point, depending on the level of accessibility required, even its sloping

3451
04:00:33,140 --> 04:00:40,260
from a parked car could be a little too dramatic for a code-required accessibility level.

3452
04:00:41,000 --> 04:00:45,900
So I think that is a partial response, but I don't think that that necessarily means

3453
04:00:45,900 --> 04:00:48,720
that we would rule out that kind of access to the plaza.

3454
04:00:49,400 --> 04:00:53,640
Obviously, there will be some level of walking access to the plaza from Main Street

3455
04:00:53,640 --> 04:00:59,820
always flat onto the plaza and that's an accessible route in that an accessible

3456
04:00:59,820 --> 04:01:05,440
route is not from the parking itself. So the concern for the elevator is to be

3457
04:01:05,440 --> 04:01:09,000
able to make sure that from parking below you're actually going to be able to

3458
04:01:09,000 --> 04:01:12,900
get up. I don't know if we mean to say that it doesn't mean the plaza is

3459
04:01:12,900 --> 04:01:16,060
accessible from other directions and in other ways like that.

3460
04:01:18,260 --> 04:01:22,860
Well I'm curious as to what other council members think about the value

3461
04:01:22,860 --> 04:01:29,000
engineering aspect of things and how deep you can go before you start to gut a project.

3462
04:01:29,300 --> 04:01:33,880
And I don't get the sense we're doing that with this, and so uncomfortable with what's

3463
04:01:33,880 --> 04:01:35,380
been value engineered out.

3464
04:01:35,780 --> 04:01:41,940
But I do think that we always run the risk of that when we start value engineering

3465
04:01:41,940 --> 04:01:42,920
our projects.

3466
04:01:43,180 --> 04:01:46,760
You know, we lose things in 15 years down the road, we're paying three times as much

3467
04:01:46,760 --> 04:01:51,640
to replace them, and I'm bothered by that, but that doesn't seem to apply here.

3468
04:01:52,860 --> 04:01:54,200
I'll take a pass at it.

3469
04:01:56,860 --> 04:01:59,620
So, with regard to the elevator, if we didn't have parking

3470
04:01:59,620 --> 04:02:04,200
below this plaza, then I think you'd have an argument for eliminating the elevator.

3471
04:02:04,720 --> 04:02:08,980
I mean, there's no place to go otherwise. But it's kind of ironic that we're coming

3472
04:02:08,980 --> 04:02:14,280
from an underground parking space up an elevator to a street that doesn't meet code.

3473
04:02:15,040 --> 04:02:18,640
And there's not hell of a lot we can do about that. The sidewalk doesn't work

3474
04:02:18,640 --> 04:02:25,040
and Main Street. And because it's steeper than code permits, typically without rails.

3475
04:02:25,340 --> 04:02:31,700
But I think it would be a mistake not to have the elevator. I think we are going to have

3476
04:02:31,700 --> 04:02:36,780
people with those needs, and I think it's a fundamental responsibility to meet those

3477
04:02:36,780 --> 04:02:44,460
needs. For ADA, I would argue to keep it. And I would look for some other way to

3478
04:02:44,460 --> 04:02:49,220
value engineer if we were worried about costs, like taking the structure off of the

3479
04:02:49,220 --> 04:02:57,120
band element or something like that. I hate the two words value engineering,

3480
04:02:57,880 --> 04:03:02,140
because it usually means taking the quality out as you started to imply.

3481
04:03:04,420 --> 04:03:09,400
But I don't know. I mean, you know, this is an expensive project. It's a big fee.

3482
04:03:10,340 --> 04:03:17,580
But I think we walked into this asking you to really schematically design multiple

3483
04:03:17,580 --> 04:03:24,580
concepts. So we wanted to have you chase out multiple concepts, not one idea which

3484
04:03:25,000 --> 04:03:29,060
would have dramatically reduced our fee as we talked about. We've chased out several

3485
04:03:29,060 --> 04:03:34,720
concepts, funneled into this point now where we can begin the construction

3486
04:03:34,720 --> 04:03:41,700
documents phase and I guess that's part of the reason the fee is so large and so

3487
04:03:41,700 --> 04:03:48,180
but Bruce I think you want to speak. Thank you Mr. Mayor. You know the elevator

3488
04:03:48,180 --> 04:03:53,820
discussion is probably partially our fault and we would add to the

3489
04:03:53,820 --> 04:04:00,640
conversation that one the elevator does not support just folks wheelchair

3490
04:04:01,180 --> 04:04:07,580
The elevator deals with small children, moms and dads with packages, all those other issues

3491
04:04:07,580 --> 04:04:10,760
that you might not want to send folks out in the rain if they want to go to a concert,

3492
04:04:11,000 --> 04:04:15,480
if they want to bring food or beverages, including 12 packs of beer up to the deck,

3493
04:04:15,600 --> 04:04:17,160
however you intend to manage those things.

3494
04:04:17,600 --> 04:04:19,340
It's not just ADA access.

3495
04:04:19,640 --> 04:04:25,400
It's providing adequate access to all those folks that may find some difficulty

3496
04:04:25,400 --> 04:04:26,900
going all the way up the ramp.

3497
04:04:26,900 --> 04:04:33,500
And so planning brought it up. We're prepared to discuss the costs versus the value.

3498
04:04:34,060 --> 04:04:36,920
I'm not afraid of value engineering one way or another on that one.

3499
04:04:38,120 --> 04:04:38,840
Thanks, Bruce.

3500
04:04:42,880 --> 04:04:47,700
You know, my only other observation is, you know, we've been through this process.

3501
04:04:47,900 --> 04:04:49,480
We've carefully looked at parking.

3502
04:04:50,400 --> 04:04:55,620
You know, we examined what the cost of parking would be if we put it above China Bridge or someplace else.

3503
04:04:55,620 --> 04:04:58,740
We looked at the price per parking space.

3504
04:04:59,220 --> 04:05:00,940
We compared it with what we had here.

3505
04:05:01,060 --> 04:05:01,940
We've done some studies.

3506
04:05:02,680 --> 04:05:05,700
The number and cost of parking actually came down

3507
04:05:06,500 --> 04:05:09,120
below what you originally anticipated.

3508
04:05:09,380 --> 04:05:11,520
You thought that this would be in the realm of,

3509
04:05:12,000 --> 04:05:15,280
I can't remember, $60,000 per space

3510
04:05:15,700 --> 04:05:18,960
and came down to 40-ish somewhere.

3511
04:05:19,160 --> 04:05:20,420
Am I remembering correctly?

3512
04:05:20,420 --> 04:05:26,420
So we collectively decided that we wanted to keep the parking.

3513
04:05:26,580 --> 04:05:31,420
We wanted to have the plaza, the functions and activities that we've got here.

3514
04:05:31,500 --> 04:05:33,900
I think we've programmed those pretty carefully.

3515
04:05:34,180 --> 04:05:39,460
And now what we're looking at is paying the bill for going on with this.

3516
04:05:39,980 --> 04:05:41,240
And it's a moment of truth.

3517
04:05:41,380 --> 04:05:43,900
Do you continue with this or do you punt?

3518
04:05:44,600 --> 04:05:48,960
And I think we've collectively committed to this.

3519
04:05:48,960 --> 04:05:58,880
And so, I think it's a good design. I wouldn't want to take anything more out of it. And I think we had to keep the elevator.

3520
04:05:59,700 --> 04:06:00,840
But that's my take.

3521
04:06:01,760 --> 04:06:02,020
Becca?

3522
04:06:04,120 --> 04:06:10,980
I for the most part agree with what you're saying. It's hard when you feel like you're only just getting to the next phase

3523
04:06:10,980 --> 04:06:16,980
and already there's an additional price tag added on and then you know that it's highly likely at some future phase

3524
04:06:16,980 --> 04:06:20,980
there's going to be a delay and then another little bit added on to it.

3525
04:06:21,100 --> 04:06:26,220
And I feel like we've had this talk before about the kind of cost of doing business

3526
04:06:26,220 --> 04:06:31,580
in Park City, but I do think that we have a good project.

3527
04:06:33,280 --> 04:06:37,740
And we've whittled the cost down from where it came in originally quite a bit,

3528
04:06:37,980 --> 04:06:39,680
and I think we should move forward.

3529
04:06:41,940 --> 04:06:42,380
Cindy?

3530
04:06:43,300 --> 04:06:45,600
I agree with Becky and the Mayor.

3531
04:06:46,440 --> 04:06:53,260
The only other thing I remember saying to David Brembs is, can you do this for under

3532
04:06:53,260 --> 04:06:55,940
$7 million? And he's not here tonight.

3533
04:06:58,960 --> 04:07:01,120
So, but,

3534
04:07:05,510 --> 04:07:08,770
you know, is there anybody here to give

3535
04:07:08,770 --> 04:07:14,050
comment on this this evening? Raise your hand. Okay. So if you don't mind, I'll take

3536
04:07:14,050 --> 04:07:20,010
public comment. Step forward, you've got three seconds. One thousand one, one thousand two.

3537
04:07:29,130 --> 04:07:36,130
Mike Sweeney, and I'm here to talk about it in the sense that with my two brothers and I, we own

3538
04:07:37,510 --> 04:07:41,510
that facility that you're trying to build and we know how much it costs to build

3539
04:07:41,510 --> 04:07:45,550
and we know the functionality and I think these guys have got it nailed.

3540
04:07:46,370 --> 04:07:51,710
So without an elevator in there, I have two in my space and when I have an event that

3541
04:07:51,710 --> 04:07:55,490
there's a thousand people that come up and they park in the garage and they come up there.

3542
04:07:55,810 --> 04:08:02,490
You really do need it. And I have street level out of the garage everywhere. But even with

3543
04:08:02,490 --> 04:08:08,730
that, you can't function and put something like on our deck. And the expenses that you're

3544
04:08:08,730 --> 04:08:13,630
talking about, I spent a million dollars last year just to refurbish the deck. So

3545
04:08:14,270 --> 04:08:18,510
it is expensive, but it's well worth it. And I'm supporting the project.

3546
04:08:19,590 --> 04:08:25,270
Well, now I have to wonder why I ran up and down the stairs, hauling stuff for the Tour

3547
04:08:25,270 --> 04:08:29,110
de Suds one year, when you have two elevators that I could have used.

3548
04:08:29,510 --> 04:08:30,110
I don't know.

3549
04:08:30,110 --> 04:08:31,470
Well, where is Charlie Sturge?

3550
04:08:31,490 --> 04:08:32,830
I know he was here earlier.

3551
04:08:32,910 --> 04:08:34,210
And I even had a handicap parking for you.

3552
04:08:34,410 --> 04:08:37,970
Yeah, he didn't tell me there were elevators, he just said, go grab those coolers and

3553
04:08:37,970 --> 04:08:38,930
run up and down the stairs.

3554
04:08:41,310 --> 04:08:42,030
Thanks, Mike.

3555
04:08:43,450 --> 04:08:43,770
Anyone else?

3556
04:08:48,600 --> 04:08:49,080
Hi, Thea.

3557
04:08:49,200 --> 04:08:52,560
Hi, I'm Thea Leonard, Treasure Mountain Inn.

3558
04:08:52,560 --> 04:08:58,880
And all I would say vis-à-vis the elevator is I see it as an, you know, an attractive

3559
04:08:58,880 --> 04:09:04,080
amenity, but there is a market difference between what Mike Sweeney's describing and

3560
04:09:04,080 --> 04:09:07,140
being able to drive onto the surface we're building.

3561
04:09:08,220 --> 04:09:14,080
So it is a little bit superfluous, I hate to say it, but the thing I like best about

3562
04:09:14,080 --> 04:09:20,620
the elevator is actually the tower as a design element that encases it.

3563
04:09:20,620 --> 04:09:33,800
But I do think in this application you've got other options and it's probably a bit of overkill for the number of parking spots that are down there.

3564
04:09:34,160 --> 04:09:35,840
I'm just going to go on record of saying that.

3565
04:09:36,360 --> 04:09:45,840
And then I also think if you really, if value engineering is one of the items, the stage could go.

3566
04:09:46,480 --> 04:09:56,840
because I do suspect that the, the acoustic pavilion, what everyone, by any other name

3567
04:09:56,840 --> 04:10:02,280
a stage, because I do suspect that that is going to have to be limited to acoustic

3568
04:10:02,280 --> 04:10:10,840
music after the experience of the Shotsky. That, that, I think it was the Shotsky,

3569
04:10:10,840 --> 04:10:15,520
but that day-long music amplified in that location,

3570
04:10:15,520 --> 04:10:17,520
even when it isn't super raucous,

3571
04:10:17,840 --> 04:10:22,540
it is definitely pervasive within town.

3572
04:10:22,880 --> 04:10:26,000
So that is definitely, I can just anticipate

3573
04:10:26,000 --> 04:10:30,140
that that is gonna become one of the things

3574
04:10:30,140 --> 04:10:34,000
that is gonna have to be closely managed.

3575
04:10:34,980 --> 04:10:40,340
And in the new light of do we really need to

3576
04:10:40,840 --> 04:10:43,880
attract new businesses with this space.

3577
04:10:44,700 --> 04:10:47,060
The reality is in my view,

3578
04:10:47,560 --> 04:10:49,860
for as long as we've been talking about it,

3579
04:10:50,260 --> 04:10:52,660
this space was intended to relieve

3580
04:10:52,660 --> 04:10:55,320
some of the pressure on Main Street.

3581
04:10:55,520 --> 04:10:56,660
It was to relieve pressure.

3582
04:10:56,820 --> 04:10:58,100
It's a pressure release valve.

3583
04:10:58,640 --> 04:11:00,800
It's a place to go for some respite.

3584
04:11:01,360 --> 04:11:04,780
And so to continually talk about the thousands of people

3585
04:11:04,780 --> 04:11:06,980
that we need to accommodate on that space,

3586
04:11:07,680 --> 04:11:13,320
I think is again, straying from the objectives.

3587
04:11:13,980 --> 04:11:19,060
So I very much love the design, and I think these guys have done a really good job with it,

3588
04:11:19,140 --> 04:11:22,860
but as the costs creep up, I think those are things that we can whittle down

3589
04:11:22,860 --> 04:11:30,500
and still effectively accomplish with the space what the HPCA set out to accomplish,

3590
04:11:30,760 --> 04:11:33,440
which was to relieve the pressure on Main Street.

3591
04:11:33,440 --> 04:11:33,560
Okay.

3592
04:11:35,140 --> 04:11:36,200
Thea, thank you.

3593
04:11:39,540 --> 04:11:40,240
Anyone else?

3594
04:11:43,340 --> 04:11:44,520
Peter Marth, full site avenue.

3595
04:11:45,380 --> 04:11:45,700
Welcome.

3596
04:11:45,920 --> 04:11:53,680
I didn't plan on speaking, but I got to say that, you know, the process has worked relatively well, I think.

3597
04:11:54,300 --> 04:12:00,940
I think the questions everybody's asking are sensitive, and it just makes me more confident going down the road as it progresses.

3598
04:12:01,080 --> 04:12:03,220
I wasn't at first confident at all in this project.

3599
04:12:03,220 --> 04:12:10,520
But the changes that have happened over the last year are pretty significant and you know what I'm seeing is

3600
04:12:11,580 --> 04:12:16,900
There's pretty nice the elevators. What does that run 10 million bucks for an elevator?

3601
04:12:21,980 --> 04:12:25,720
There's a there's a lot of I mean you take that elevator out

3602
04:12:25,720 --> 04:12:30,660
I mean it's one floor or that that you know brings you closer to get it within budget at seven

3603
04:12:30,660 --> 04:12:38,220
It's actually 50,000 is what we're saying because we have to keep it stairwell.

3604
04:12:38,380 --> 04:12:40,380
That's not that significant compared to the total budget then.

3605
04:12:41,480 --> 04:12:42,240
That's not much.

3606
04:12:42,320 --> 04:12:46,560
But anyway, I just wanted to applaud you guys for working and listening to us.

3607
04:12:46,660 --> 04:12:48,980
I know we can be paying an ass-stand on that for complaining about traffic.

3608
04:12:49,200 --> 04:12:53,820
But what's going on here, I think, addresses a lot of those issues.

3609
04:12:54,560 --> 04:12:58,020
And lastly, I think, Tim, you and I had a conversation about Poison Creek.

3610
04:12:58,020 --> 04:13:05,660
And I know that it's really late in this process, but you know, I really would love to see some

3611
04:13:05,660 --> 04:13:08,500
kind of water feature in here that comes from Poison Creek.

3612
04:13:08,680 --> 04:13:12,680
If you could pull it out of the pipe, bring it into the landscape and into the plaza

3613
04:13:12,680 --> 04:13:15,500
and drop it back into the hole and put it back in your pipe under the suite.

3614
04:13:16,360 --> 04:13:20,280
I mean, I know it hasn't been discussed in the design process, but people kill

3615
04:13:20,280 --> 04:13:24,980
for having water in their cities, so I don't know if that's part of it.

3616
04:13:25,280 --> 04:13:26,720
Is it Poison Creek that you're bringing in?

3617
04:13:28,060 --> 04:13:29,260
We can't do that.

3618
04:13:30,980 --> 04:13:33,620
So anyway, it has to be fake poison.

3619
04:13:33,840 --> 04:13:36,420
We'd have to put a $10 million treatment for this.

3620
04:13:38,780 --> 04:13:39,660
Thank you.

3621
04:13:39,800 --> 04:13:41,960
How was the noise for Shatsky? Were you around?

3622
04:13:42,500 --> 04:13:42,840
Was what?

3623
04:13:43,240 --> 04:13:45,220
How was the noise for Shatsky? Were you around?

3624
04:13:45,360 --> 04:13:47,200
I was down in Moab, puddling.

3625
04:13:47,440 --> 04:13:47,780
Yeah, so.

3626
04:13:48,440 --> 04:13:49,540
Did you hear it down there?

3627
04:13:49,620 --> 04:13:50,320
Yes, I heard it from Moab.

3628
04:13:50,540 --> 04:13:52,160
I heard it from Moab.

3629
04:13:52,160 --> 04:13:53,960
Thank you, Peter.

3630
04:13:54,060 --> 04:13:56,180
You just barely heard it down in Moab?

3631
04:13:56,180 --> 04:13:57,820
just a little bit. Anyone else?

3632
04:14:00,500 --> 04:14:04,900
Mr. Mayor, just a comment on, um, uh, is, Becca brought up a good point earlier

3633
04:14:04,900 --> 04:14:09,900
about, about cost. And, um, staff has taken very seriously the prior discussions

3634
04:14:09,900 --> 04:14:15,060
Council has had on this. And, um, in fact, in the coming months, you'll see some

3635
04:14:15,060 --> 04:14:19,140
things from staff on this. Matt Twombly's been leading a team. Um, the core,

3636
04:14:19,400 --> 04:14:23,860
the core team has included Alfred Knott's and Laurent and Roger McClain

3637
04:14:23,860 --> 04:14:29,340
and led by Matt Tormbley, but also was included anyone at the city who does capital projects.

3638
04:14:29,880 --> 04:14:36,380
And what they are looking at is a standard process across projects, a different, a little

3639
04:14:36,380 --> 04:14:40,420
bit tweaked process for vertical versus horizontal just because some of them have different

3640
04:14:40,420 --> 04:14:47,280
needs and decoupling the scoping process, you know, what is it going to be from the

3641
04:14:47,280 --> 04:14:53,780
actual bid number because you know the reality is I am still going to be worried

3642
04:14:53,780 --> 04:14:58,640
that once we get bids on this thing we're going to have to still value

3643
04:14:58,640 --> 04:14:59,960
engineer and we just don't

3644
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:04,180
I don't know until we actually bid it. And so I just, I just want to put that cautionary

3645
04:15:04,180 --> 04:15:04,640
tale out there.

3646
04:15:04,640 --> 04:15:07,840
Are you saying that architects are not that good at cost estimating?

3647
04:15:08,080 --> 04:15:12,920
I don't think I said that, Mr. Mann. The guy would ever say that about artichokes.

3648
04:15:13,180 --> 04:15:14,120
Do you have a consultant?

3649
04:15:15,780 --> 04:15:18,080
You have a consultant that's really good at it.

3650
04:15:19,180 --> 04:15:19,540
Okay.

3651
04:15:20,060 --> 04:15:22,060
So I do think that is, that's something to look forward to.

3652
04:15:22,440 --> 04:15:22,800
Yeah.

3653
04:15:26,750 --> 04:15:27,110
Please.

3654
04:15:27,110 --> 04:15:34,130
So if we vote to move forward with this next phase, is there still possibility

3655
04:15:34,130 --> 04:15:37,250
down the road that we can value engineer that pavilion out of there?

3656
04:15:37,390 --> 04:15:37,710
Absolutely.

3657
04:15:38,310 --> 04:15:38,510
Okay.

3658
04:15:40,310 --> 04:15:42,550
We don't even have to call it value engineering.

3659
04:15:42,890 --> 04:15:44,270
We can just deny it.

3660
04:15:44,450 --> 04:15:48,470
Yeah, you could bid that as an alternate.

3661
04:15:49,410 --> 04:15:53,810
The one risk that I wrote in the staff report is the net zero goal.

3662
04:15:54,390 --> 04:15:54,490
Yeah.

3663
04:15:54,490 --> 04:16:01,990
So if we remove that, the roof structure, we lose our area for photovoltaics to make

3664
04:16:01,990 --> 04:16:07,590
the plasma net zero, so it will be counter to our goal.

3665
04:16:08,330 --> 04:16:08,750
So the roof...

3666
04:16:08,750 --> 04:16:09,530
Oh, no, you didn't!

3667
04:16:10,530 --> 04:16:15,630
So the roof pavilion is photovoltaic space.

3668
04:16:16,190 --> 04:16:16,370
Yes.

3669
04:16:16,550 --> 04:16:16,650
Yeah.

3670
04:16:16,770 --> 04:16:16,910
Okay.

3671
04:16:17,510 --> 04:16:19,170
Well, it's good to keep in mind.

3672
04:16:19,590 --> 04:16:20,570
And it provides shade.

3673
04:16:21,390 --> 04:16:21,550
Yeah.

3674
04:16:22,750 --> 04:16:25,070
Can you plug your iPhone into it?

3675
04:16:25,750 --> 04:16:27,110
We could work on that.

3676
04:16:27,250 --> 04:16:33,550
I think thinking about it as a stage, while it can function that way, we've reduced around

3677
04:16:33,550 --> 04:16:38,890
that space so that it does not function that way predominantly.

3678
04:16:39,570 --> 04:16:44,670
I really do agree, and I know that it's a semantic thing, but Matt's statement that

3679
04:16:44,670 --> 04:16:48,930
this is a pavilion, it's much more now meant as a shade structure, a place that

3680
04:16:48,930 --> 04:16:51,290
You can sit, enjoy a cup of coffee in the morning,

3681
04:16:51,930 --> 04:16:54,690
frequent any businesses that happen to pop up

3682
04:16:54,690 --> 04:16:57,830
hopefully in this area, and just enjoy

3683
04:16:57,830 --> 04:17:00,110
the greenscape around you.

3684
04:17:00,850 --> 04:17:03,610
It conveniently also is somewhat stage-like

3685
04:17:04,030 --> 04:17:05,730
if you wanted to use it for that purpose,

3686
04:17:05,890 --> 04:17:09,170
but the actual grading of the site

3687
04:17:09,170 --> 04:17:11,310
sort of requires us to step up anyway.

3688
04:17:12,050 --> 04:17:14,670
So you'll see something very similar in shape size,

3689
04:17:14,670 --> 04:17:16,610
even if we were to say we don't want to use this

3690
04:17:16,610 --> 04:17:24,870
of the stage ever, the design of the actual plaza lends itself to that little bit of elevation

3691
04:17:24,870 --> 04:17:29,670
there, so I don't know that even removal of the stage would dramatically change the approach

3692
04:17:29,670 --> 04:17:30,450
for the look.

3693
04:17:32,630 --> 04:17:32,970
Good.

3694
04:17:33,310 --> 04:17:37,190
Well, I'm glad you've got the 30, 60, 90 percent completion.

3695
04:17:37,470 --> 04:17:44,010
I think that gives staff the ability to check in and progress through this and probably

3696
04:17:44,010 --> 04:17:49,910
probably look at modified estimates through that process as well. So we shouldn't

3697
04:17:49,910 --> 04:17:53,210
be surprised by what this thing cost.

3698
04:17:54,850 --> 04:17:58,990
And that's part of our job, and a part of our job we work really hard to

3699
04:17:58,990 --> 04:18:02,050
accomplish. We want to give you the best project we can give you, and we want

3700
04:18:02,050 --> 04:18:03,590
to give it for the budget that you have.

3701
04:18:03,890 --> 04:18:04,170
Okay.

3702
04:18:04,230 --> 04:18:07,490
And that's our goal throughout this entire process until we end construction.

3703
04:18:08,350 --> 04:18:10,270
Counsel, any more comments or?

3704
04:18:11,590 --> 04:18:12,590
I'll make a motion.

3705
04:18:13,990 --> 04:18:14,270
Tim?

3706
04:18:14,690 --> 04:18:15,510
I'd like to make a motion.

3707
04:18:15,650 --> 04:18:19,550
We authorized the city manager to enter into a professional service provider agreement

3708
04:18:19,550 --> 04:18:24,890
and a form of approval of the city attorney's office with GSBS architects in an amount

3709
04:18:24,890 --> 04:18:30,230
not to exceed $510,000 for phase three design, development, construction documents

3710
04:18:30,230 --> 04:18:31,070
and administration.

3711
04:18:32,090 --> 04:18:33,890
We have a motion and a second.

3712
04:18:34,010 --> 04:18:34,990
Any further discussion?

3713
04:18:38,700 --> 04:18:39,320
A vote.

3714
04:18:39,780 --> 04:18:40,320
All in favor?

3715
04:18:40,780 --> 04:18:41,080
Hi.

3716
04:18:41,080 --> 04:18:45,460
any opposed? Motion carries. I'll get the vote.

3717
04:18:47,900 --> 04:18:49,760
No tie. Thank you.

3718
04:18:58,790 --> 04:18:59,230
Okay.

3719
04:19:01,540 --> 04:19:02,640
I already did vote.

3720
04:19:06,010 --> 04:19:09,890
Next on the agenda is... Oh, thank you.

3721
04:19:19,470 --> 04:19:21,850
How'd you get all goldfish down here?

3722
04:19:28,110 --> 04:19:31,110
So I'm going to read this.

3723
04:19:31,710 --> 04:19:36,670
Next on the agenda is New Business Item No. 1. We're going to open a public hearing

3724
04:19:36,670 --> 04:19:43,010
to allow interested parties to present arguments in favor of and against the ballot

3725
04:19:43,010 --> 04:19:48,510
proposition with respect to the issuance of general obligation bonds for the purchase

3726
04:19:48,510 --> 04:19:52,690
and protection of bonanza flats. I'll now open that public hearing.

3727
04:19:54,900 --> 04:19:56,020
Just line up

3728
04:19:56,020 --> 04:19:59,740
on the right-hand side of the room, if you would, please. Take a number.

3729
04:20:01,910 --> 04:20:06,310
seeing no one will. Do we continue or close, Tom?

3730
04:20:08,250 --> 04:20:11,270
You can close it. This is the last of the required public hearings.

3731
04:20:11,490 --> 04:20:14,510
Okay, we will now close the public hearing with regard to that item.

3732
04:20:15,590 --> 04:20:17,310
Thank you, Tom. Nice presentation.

3733
04:20:20,150 --> 04:20:21,330
You want to say something?

3734
04:20:21,930 --> 04:20:25,070
There are no elevators planned in England Space.

3735
04:20:26,130 --> 04:20:28,530
So it should be right about 25 million.

3736
04:20:28,530 --> 04:20:36,690
Okay, thank you, Catapult. Next on the agenda's consideration to continue an economic development

3737
04:20:37,300 --> 04:20:44,350
grant contract in the amount of $20,000 for a three-year period for anomaly action sports.

3738
04:20:45,950 --> 04:20:49,590
We'll now open the public hearing for that item, and this is to be continued.

3739
04:20:58,510 --> 04:20:58,510
Is there

3740
04:20:59,070 --> 04:21:00,170
And will we continue?

3741
04:21:07,100 --> 04:21:07,580
Second.

3742
04:21:07,960 --> 04:21:09,180
We have a motion and a second.

3743
04:21:09,280 --> 04:21:09,740
All in favor?

3744
04:21:10,180 --> 04:21:10,660
Aye.

3745
04:21:11,060 --> 04:21:11,720
Motion carries.

3746
04:21:12,560 --> 04:21:18,960
Next on the agenda is consideration to continue support for the winter balcony enclosures

3747
04:21:18,960 --> 04:21:20,380
pilot program on Main Street.

3748
04:21:22,020 --> 04:21:23,960
Anya, we're so proud of you.

3749
04:21:25,580 --> 04:21:26,060
Did

3750
04:21:28,560 --> 04:21:30,720
you get a historic plaque for your wall?

3751
04:21:30,980 --> 04:21:31,340
I did.

3752
04:21:31,520 --> 04:21:32,940
It's purple and it's kind of sparkly.

3753
04:21:33,080 --> 04:21:33,560
There we go.

3754
04:21:35,280 --> 04:21:38,780
They spelled my name correctly, which was really what I was excited about when I opened

3755
04:21:38,780 --> 04:21:39,440
up the packaging.

3756
04:21:40,220 --> 04:21:42,000
Did they use the right purple?

3757
04:21:42,620 --> 04:21:43,480
Does it-

3758
04:21:43,480 --> 04:21:45,100
You know, I'm pretty neutral when it comes to purple.

3759
04:21:45,620 --> 04:21:45,920
Compliant.

3760
04:21:47,800 --> 04:21:48,740
Gentlemen, welcome.

3761
04:21:49,260 --> 04:21:49,580
Thank you.

3762
04:21:49,880 --> 04:21:53,180
So we're here to talk about something that's not quite so purple and sparkly.

3763
04:21:54,380 --> 04:21:59,620
So last year we agreed to initiate a three-year pilot program to allow restaurants on Main

3764
04:21:59,620 --> 04:22:04,100
Street to enclose their balconies so long as those balconies were connected immediately

3765
04:22:04,100 --> 04:22:06,840
adjacent to the restaurant and the balcony was on a nonhistoric building.

3766
04:22:07,580 --> 04:22:12,060
At the time that we discussed it, the City Council had expressed concerns about meeting

3767
04:22:12,060 --> 04:22:16,780
the state energy code and we mentioned at that time and we'll reiterate again that it's

3768
04:22:16,780 --> 04:22:21,860
very difficult for a temporary structure to meet the state energy code for partially

3769
04:22:21,860 --> 04:22:25,520
because the International Building Code, the IBC actually doesn't require temporary

3770
04:22:25,520 --> 04:22:29,600
structures to meet the energy code and if they were to meet the energy code they

3771
04:22:29,600 --> 04:22:33,140
would have to be constructed as a permanent structure. River horse is again

3772
04:22:33,140 --> 04:22:37,720
the only applicant who wants to enclose their balcony over the winter and they

3773
04:22:37,720 --> 04:22:42,520
have taken some steps to try to get closer to being more sustainable and they

3774
04:22:42,520 --> 04:22:45,340
are here to discuss that and answer any questions that you might have.

3775
04:22:46,600 --> 04:22:47,560
Good. Brian?

3776
04:22:52,310 --> 04:22:54,350
There's the light on. There we go.

3777
04:22:56,500 --> 04:22:58,660
As Andrew said it's pretty difficult to

3778
04:22:58,660 --> 04:22:59,700
to make this glass box.

3779
04:22:59,860 --> 04:23:03,380
Just for the record for the show,

3780
04:23:03,840 --> 04:23:07,040
and Brian Markinen with Elliot Work Group.

3781
04:23:08,780 --> 04:23:12,240
So this glass box is a pretty difficult thing

3782
04:23:12,240 --> 04:23:14,160
to get in compliance with energy code,

3783
04:23:14,260 --> 04:23:16,480
and quite honestly, I don't know if we'll ever get there

3784
04:23:17,120 --> 04:23:19,780
without like quadruple pane glass

3785
04:23:19,780 --> 04:23:24,680
and filled with some sort of gel or something.

3786
04:23:24,980 --> 04:23:27,280
So in light of that,

3787
04:23:27,280 --> 04:23:32,600
we're doing what we can to make it a little more compliant, I guess you could

3788
04:23:32,600 --> 04:23:38,020
say. And last year we used the radiant heat with the warm board and it seemed

3789
04:23:38,020 --> 04:23:42,740
to work okay. There's definitely some cold nights as I understand. So on top of

3790
04:23:42,740 --> 04:23:47,060
trying to meet the goals for for compliance we also want to create a

3791
04:23:47,060 --> 04:23:50,920
more comfortable space. So a couple of those items that we're considering right

3792
04:23:50,920 --> 04:23:56,260
now, one that we'll definitely consider very strongly is putting basically blue

3793
04:23:56,260 --> 04:24:02,320
board up in the ceiling cavities. Right now nobody seems to look up there when

3794
04:24:02,320 --> 04:24:09,120
they're eating and polycarbonate is not terribly transparent anyway. So the

3795
04:24:09,120 --> 04:24:13,400
goal is to put blue board in order of two inches or so up there that would

3796
04:24:13,400 --> 04:24:19,100
give another R10 to 15 in addition to the two that the polycarbonate

3797
04:24:19,100 --> 04:24:24,940
provides. That'll retain a lot of the heat. That was actually a correction

3798
04:24:24,940 --> 04:24:29,160
in the packet to it said that we were going to attain it to but we're also we're

3799
04:24:29,160 --> 04:24:34,020
looking for about a 15 up there so that'll keep a lot of the heat coming up

3800
04:24:35,060 --> 04:24:41,100
in the space. I'd also like to say that during the other 18 hours of the day it

3801
04:24:41,100 --> 04:24:47,180
actually acts as a buffer for the rest of the restaurant so there's a lot of

3802
04:24:47,180 --> 04:24:51,960
glass on that frontage too and it does act as a greenhouse a little bit and

3803
04:24:51,960 --> 04:24:59,680
help out in that way. We're also discussing some additional radiant heat as possible and

3804
04:24:59,680 --> 04:25:06,340
also insulating under the slab on the outside where the sidewalk is. And if that works out

3805
04:25:06,340 --> 04:25:09,880
with some calculations that are being run right now, we'll explore that a little further.

3806
04:25:11,400 --> 04:25:18,160
I don't understand insulating under the sidewalk. Sorry, insulating the slab that

3807
04:25:18,160 --> 04:25:19,180
is over the sidewalk.

3808
04:25:20,120 --> 04:25:21,300
It's an interesting space.

3809
04:25:21,700 --> 04:25:22,080
OK, over the sidewalk, I understand.

3810
04:25:22,400 --> 04:25:24,540
Because half of the deck is actually

3811
04:25:24,540 --> 04:25:26,800
over the Main Street pizza noodle, which is the other,

3812
04:25:27,120 --> 04:25:28,300
I forgot to mention.

3813
04:25:28,880 --> 04:25:31,300
And there's no insulation there, so they're actually

3814
04:25:31,300 --> 04:25:33,880
getting heat from the pizza noodle under there.

3815
04:25:34,140 --> 04:25:36,800
And that's coming up and acting as a radiant source.

3816
04:25:37,560 --> 04:25:40,160
So that's a helpful thing.

3817
04:25:40,260 --> 04:25:42,840
But I was talking about over the sidewalk.

3818
04:25:43,000 --> 04:25:46,640
And that portion is not protected in any way right now.

3819
04:25:50,110 --> 04:25:51,470
Thank you for the questions.

3820
04:25:53,190 --> 04:25:57,250
South, is there a benefit from being over a pizza noodle when people walk in and start

3821
04:25:57,250 --> 04:26:01,290
to smell pizza and spaghetti, and they're like, whoa, man, am I hungry now?

3822
04:26:02,190 --> 04:26:05,630
They get to the top of the stairs and often wonder why we don't have pizza.

3823
04:26:09,910 --> 04:26:10,350
Comments?

3824
04:26:13,960 --> 04:26:15,260
I'm seeing no one.

3825
04:26:15,520 --> 04:26:17,220
I'm going to say where I was last year.

3826
04:26:17,220 --> 04:26:24,220
I, you know, I struggle with this because I thought that, you know, it's hard because

3827
04:26:24,220 --> 04:26:28,680
you want to support the businesses on Main Street. You want to help them in every way

3828
04:26:28,680 --> 04:26:33,340
they can. It's tough industry being in the restaurant business. I know I've done a lot

3829
04:26:33,340 --> 04:26:39,460
of work for folks in that business. It's really, really tough. But, you know, we're

3830
04:26:39,460 --> 04:26:45,140
trying to be sustainable and I just don't think this idea is. And so I'm where

3831
04:26:45,140 --> 04:26:50,240
I was when we looked at this year ago. I don't think it's consistent with our goals

3832
04:26:50,240 --> 04:26:56,260
of sustainability. I think it's not a design or a building that functions very well.

3833
04:26:56,740 --> 04:27:02,240
R15 on something we normally have probably R40 for the ceiling. I mean, we're heating

3834
04:27:02,240 --> 04:27:07,060
the great outdoors. This is a grossly inefficient envelope, and that's what we're doing.

3835
04:27:07,800 --> 04:27:11,120
And it's not consistent with our values. Sandy.

3836
04:27:11,120 --> 04:27:15,500
Well, I would say, heating the great outdoors is putting a heater out there and running it

3837
04:27:16,660 --> 04:27:18,840
all the time and not...

3838
04:27:19,460 --> 04:27:21,100
That's an equally bad idea.

3839
04:27:23,120 --> 04:27:28,580
So, or putting up a flimsy tent and doing that as part of the year.

3840
04:27:29,380 --> 04:27:31,360
This was a three-year project.

3841
04:27:31,520 --> 04:27:36,340
I think they're trying hard to mitigate that loss.

3842
04:27:36,340 --> 04:27:44,240
I think if they were to operate as they were under a tent, they're probably losing more heat.

3843
04:27:44,640 --> 04:27:49,980
Even, I know they couldn't keep the tent up all the time, but I think they were probably losing more heat.

3844
04:27:50,240 --> 04:27:54,620
So this, I think Devlin looks better. We agreed to a three-year program.

3845
04:27:55,220 --> 04:28:02,340
They invested quite a bit of money in that, so I'm certainly supportive of going forward with it next year.

3846
04:28:02,340 --> 04:28:04,260
Thank you, Cindy.

3847
04:28:04,560 --> 04:28:05,180
Andy?

3848
04:28:06,760 --> 04:28:13,600
Yeah, I share Cindy's position, but I do also share the Mayor's heartburn over the energy efficiency,

3849
04:28:13,840 --> 04:28:15,300
so I appreciate the efforts you've made.

3850
04:28:15,940 --> 04:28:17,640
And just one question to you.

3851
04:28:17,740 --> 04:28:21,600
Would you consider either installing some solar on property

3852
04:28:21,600 --> 04:28:26,520
or joining the subscriber solar plan to roughly offset what you are using

3853
04:28:26,520 --> 04:28:28,700
since we haven't been able to accomplish that condition?

3854
04:28:28,960 --> 04:28:29,900
We absolutely would.

3855
04:28:29,900 --> 04:28:35,020
And, you know, going forward, you know, now or in three years or even beyond, you know,

3856
04:28:35,400 --> 04:28:40,680
with, again, more structural improvements of this slab, I mean, we can put in, you know,

3857
04:28:40,780 --> 04:28:45,040
more thicker-pain windows and, you know, more things to get us up there.

3858
04:28:45,460 --> 04:28:49,480
You know, the entire building itself certainly doesn't need the state energy code.

3859
04:28:49,840 --> 04:28:49,940
Right.

3860
04:28:50,020 --> 04:28:54,040
You know, I'd say they were absorbing some of the heat from below by that.

3861
04:28:54,240 --> 04:28:57,040
And, you know, the whole windows on the whole front of the entire building need

3862
04:28:57,040 --> 04:28:59,100
to be, you know, torn down and replaced.

3863
04:28:59,100 --> 04:29:05,660
So I think we're actually in some ways capturing some more of the heat without you know using the radiant system that we have or not

3864
04:29:05,660 --> 04:29:11,900
You know putting a whole impact on to the our utilities. We showed it with our utility bills this year

3865
04:29:11,900 --> 04:29:15,340
I mean we didn't even really see an increase in our usage

3866
04:29:15,340 --> 04:29:21,480
So I don't know how we can you know exactly measure that there's four businesses within that building

3867
04:29:21,480 --> 04:29:27,380
So that's a hard one to put your finger on however, you know, we certainly pay the most out of our

3868
04:29:28,300 --> 04:29:31,240
with our landlord before the most space that we have in there,

3869
04:29:31,340 --> 04:29:32,960
and we didn't see great increases.

3870
04:29:33,440 --> 04:29:38,040
So I think we've came up with a really good way to retain what we are,

3871
04:29:38,100 --> 04:29:41,840
and we can continue to do that each and every year moving forward.

3872
04:29:41,940 --> 04:29:47,740
We would have to do some structural, some beams and some things underneath there

3873
04:29:47,740 --> 04:29:51,020
to add more pins of glass, and that certainly is a cost.

3874
04:29:51,680 --> 04:29:56,260
But down the road, that's certainly absolutely something we do in addition to the solar.

3875
04:29:56,260 --> 04:29:58,520
So, thank you.

3876
04:29:59,180 --> 04:29:59,980
Can I add?

3877
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:05,140
We had been talking with the structural engineer about alternatives, and one of them was double

3878
04:30:05,140 --> 04:30:15,480
pane glass, which would bump it up a couple R notches, but it would require re- or retrofitting

3879
04:30:15,480 --> 04:30:21,920
the existing structure most likely, unless you're using some historic code references

3880
04:30:21,920 --> 04:30:23,320
to fudge numbers a little bit.

3881
04:30:23,320 --> 04:30:40,440
So in the future, in the future, if this was a program to move forward, it might be worth the investment of actually getting in there and welding new beams and bolstering the structure, but that has been assessed to a large degree.

3882
04:30:40,920 --> 04:30:44,180
Thanks, Brian. Anything else? Hand or emotion?

3883
04:30:44,180 --> 04:30:51,380
I would like to move that we continue to support the winter balcony enclosure pilot program

3884
04:30:51,380 --> 04:30:55,000
on Main Street and approve an agreement to allow an enclosed balcony over a public pedestrian

3885
04:30:55,000 --> 04:30:55,500
right away.

3886
04:30:56,420 --> 04:30:57,340
We have a motion.

3887
04:30:57,520 --> 04:30:58,080
Do we have a second?

3888
04:31:00,040 --> 04:31:00,880
All in favor?

3889
04:31:01,580 --> 04:31:01,940
Aye.

3890
04:31:03,060 --> 04:31:03,640
Any opposed?

3891
04:31:05,200 --> 04:31:06,440
Gentlemen, thank you very much.

3892
04:31:06,660 --> 04:31:07,060
Thank you.

3893
04:31:07,160 --> 04:31:07,620
You're in business.

3894
04:31:08,020 --> 04:31:08,320
Thank you.

3895
04:31:15,400 --> 04:31:21,260
Next on the agenda is consideration to approve the new Type 3 Special Event License and City

3896
04:31:21,260 --> 04:31:25,160
Services Agreement with the Kimbell Art Center as approved by the city attorney.

3897
04:31:33,700 --> 04:31:37,260
Good evening, Mayor, Jason Council, Jason Glidden, Economic Development.

3898
04:31:38,080 --> 04:31:40,820
With me tonight I have Kathy Kennedy with the Kimbell Art Center.

3899
04:31:41,200 --> 04:31:41,520
Hi, Kathy.

3900
04:31:41,920 --> 04:31:42,440
Hi, how are you?

3901
04:31:42,740 --> 04:31:42,860
Good.

3902
04:31:43,640 --> 04:31:44,900
Well, I thought she wouldn't have to talk.

3903
04:31:45,040 --> 04:31:49,500
She was a little bit hesitant about coming up, but we have some questions for her.

3904
04:31:49,760 --> 04:31:50,140
Yeah, exactly.

3905
04:31:50,140 --> 04:31:55,960
I appreciate that. We're here tonight to seek approval on a new city service contract

3906
04:31:55,960 --> 04:31:59,400
with the Kimball Art Center in a form approved by the city attorney.

3907
04:32:01,620 --> 04:32:03,180
We have a history

3908
04:32:03,180 --> 04:32:07,900
of city service contracts with the Kimball and this event is going into this 48th year.

3909
04:32:08,100 --> 04:32:14,680
It's a very iconic event and I'm happy that the two teams, I call them teams,

3910
04:32:14,680 --> 04:32:20,340
of the city in the Kimbell Rehabil to sit down and work out a new contract here that

3911
04:32:20,340 --> 04:32:27,640
really addresses all the goals for both sides. And we're looking at a five-year deal here,

3912
04:32:27,860 --> 04:32:32,720
and I won't go into all the details as they were identified in the staff report. And

3913
04:32:33,360 --> 04:32:40,180
just like to mention that, you know, again, this is a very well-liked event in the

3914
04:32:40,180 --> 04:32:45,940
community, getting iconic. It's also one of the largest fundraiser for the Kimball

3915
04:32:45,940 --> 04:32:51,340
Arts Center that supports many of their programming efforts throughout the year.

3916
04:32:52,760 --> 04:32:53,360
Enjoy the other thing?

3917
04:32:54,400 --> 04:32:54,620
No.

3918
04:32:55,020 --> 04:32:55,240
You sure?

3919
04:32:55,500 --> 04:32:55,840
Sure.

3920
04:32:56,660 --> 04:33:00,860
I just truly thank you for your support of the Kimball Arts Center as well as the

3921
04:33:00,860 --> 04:33:04,820
Arts Festival. It's been a great collaborating with Jason and the city.

3922
04:33:05,240 --> 04:33:06,140
Looking forward to doing more of it.

3923
04:33:06,780 --> 04:33:07,340
And thank you.

3924
04:33:07,960 --> 04:33:08,560
Any comments?

3925
04:33:08,560 --> 04:33:09,680
on

3926
04:33:12,750 --> 04:33:21,890
page 140 of the staff report, there's a significant decrease in the park, the taxes

3927
04:33:21,890 --> 04:33:29,550
that came into Park City this year as opposed to 2015. Was attendance down or sales

3928
04:33:29,550 --> 04:33:31,430
down? Or what, how do you account for that?

3929
04:33:31,870 --> 04:33:32,510
Sure.

3930
04:33:32,570 --> 04:33:37,650
Sure. Actually, a lot was down. We moved our date, which then changed the number

3931
04:33:37,650 --> 04:33:39,050
were people that typically come,

3932
04:33:39,230 --> 04:33:41,850
because it's been that first week in August for 46 years.

3933
04:33:42,410 --> 04:33:43,210
So that changed it.

3934
04:33:43,810 --> 04:33:46,550
We were on the last weekend of the Summit County Fair,

3935
04:33:46,710 --> 04:33:50,090
which was new, as well as the Olympics were going on.

3936
04:33:50,650 --> 04:33:56,130
And we didn't have the soccer tournament in town.

3937
04:33:56,350 --> 04:33:57,930
So we had, I think our,

3938
04:33:58,150 --> 04:34:00,470
I don't have the numbers that page in front of me.

3939
04:34:00,490 --> 04:34:02,490
I think our attendance was down 14%.

3940
04:34:21,890 --> 04:34:27,810
Yeah, I was going to point out that maybe the anomaly is more 2015 than it is 2016 because

3941
04:34:27,810 --> 04:34:33,050
That's how we looked at it. I think if you if you remove that year out 2015 you can still see a percentage growth

3942
04:34:33,050 --> 04:34:36,550
That's pretty consistent. Is it about 15 that took that so high then?

3943
04:34:36,970 --> 04:34:42,490
With that we've been using the same folks for a while to do our surveys and they said that be higher

3944
04:34:42,490 --> 04:34:49,010
And I'm going by memory here. You told me I didn't have to talk here. Sorry, and that we're doing extremely well by the way

3945
04:34:49,010 --> 04:34:52,690
Why thank you that the there were older

3946
04:34:53,330 --> 04:34:57,890
folks here, our demographic was older and they stayed longer. So with that, then we

3947
04:34:57,890 --> 04:34:59,430
had a bigger economic impact.

3948
04:34:59,430 --> 04:35:00,750
So they were like, that's a long?

3949
04:35:01,650 --> 04:35:06,350
Well, we changed the date. So again, it all changes. We're looking forward to going back

3950
04:35:06,350 --> 04:35:07,030
to the original date.

3951
04:35:07,450 --> 04:35:08,950
Okay. Back up?

3952
04:35:09,710 --> 04:35:14,650
Well, it may have been the best thing that happened to you that you actually had a

3953
04:35:14,650 --> 04:35:19,070
lower attendance last year as you've been going through our special events talks

3954
04:35:19,070 --> 04:35:20,590
and talking about growth.

3955
04:35:20,770 --> 04:35:22,210
And so one of the things that I wanted to mention

3956
04:35:22,210 --> 04:35:24,530
was on page 141, it says attendance,

3957
04:35:24,830 --> 04:35:26,350
average attendance target shall be established

3958
04:35:26,350 --> 04:35:28,630
and verified annually by staff and KAC.

3959
04:35:29,090 --> 04:35:31,610
And I don't really think we have any expectation

3960
04:35:31,610 --> 04:35:34,270
or one of the things we've been talking about

3961
04:35:34,270 --> 04:35:39,070
is the growth of events and not having huge numbers

3962
04:35:39,070 --> 04:35:41,530
of growth or huge percentages of growth year after year

3963
04:35:41,530 --> 04:35:42,510
and that might be something.

3964
04:35:44,090 --> 04:35:46,170
I don't know what the average attendance targets

3965
04:35:46,170 --> 04:35:47,110
shall be established,

3966
04:35:47,110 --> 04:35:49,850
but I hope they're not huge numbers above last year's.

3967
04:35:49,950 --> 04:35:52,930
I don't think it was meant to be anything to promote growth,

3968
04:35:53,170 --> 04:35:54,070
if that's what you're going on.

3969
04:35:54,190 --> 04:35:55,550
I think it's more of a monitor attendance

3970
04:35:55,550 --> 04:35:56,750
and see how it goes.

3971
04:35:57,110 --> 04:35:58,290
We're limited within that footprint

3972
04:35:58,290 --> 04:35:59,910
of what really can happen.

3973
04:36:00,210 --> 04:36:01,190
Yeah, and that's what I would wonder.

3974
04:36:01,290 --> 04:36:02,570
Would you say you're targeting an attendance?

3975
04:36:02,810 --> 04:36:04,410
I would hope that it wouldn't be a big number,

3976
04:36:04,470 --> 04:36:06,030
that I would hope that you would be looking

3977
04:36:06,030 --> 04:36:07,330
to have a sustainable event

3978
04:36:07,330 --> 04:36:08,970
and a slow rate of growth over time.

3979
04:36:09,170 --> 04:36:10,530
I'll make sure that that's addressed.

3980
04:36:10,810 --> 04:36:11,710
Okay, thank you.

3981
04:36:12,070 --> 04:36:14,670
And then I had one more part when you talk

3982
04:36:14,670 --> 04:36:20,930
about the environmental impacts, and this is just something to mention, it would be

3983
04:36:20,930 --> 04:36:25,690
good to talk about having some sort of local bike promotion or bike valet opportunity there

3984
04:36:25,690 --> 04:36:29,330
and that's not mentioned in the environmental impacts, but that's a big one when we talk

3985
04:36:29,330 --> 04:36:34,130
about traffic and our quality of air over those really busy holiday weekends.

3986
04:36:34,950 --> 04:36:36,950
I don't need to talk about it, excuse me, I'm going to go to the next chair.

3987
04:36:37,610 --> 04:36:38,590
I had one more.

3988
04:36:41,390 --> 04:36:42,270
Maybe that's it.

3989
04:36:42,610 --> 04:36:43,010
Thank you.

3990
04:36:44,530 --> 04:36:45,350
Anyone else?

3991
04:36:46,010 --> 04:36:46,150
Andy?

3992
04:36:46,850 --> 04:36:51,630
Kathy, first of all, I want to thank you for moving the dates, working with us.

3993
04:36:52,190 --> 04:36:56,270
So just those dates this year, that was important to accommodate the two events,

3994
04:36:56,350 --> 04:36:59,410
and it seems like it did have a bit of a negative impact for you.

3995
04:36:59,430 --> 04:37:02,310
So we appreciate you being a good partner in helping us out there.

3996
04:37:04,170 --> 04:37:06,070
Just two questions.

3997
04:37:06,370 --> 04:37:10,630
The first one is I was really happy to see the environmental impacts section in there.

3998
04:37:10,630 --> 04:37:15,050
And I was wondering if we couldn't get a little more aggressive on the zero-waste goal.

3999
04:37:15,550 --> 04:37:17,690
Maybe talk to Kate and Michelle back there.

4000
04:37:17,730 --> 04:37:20,690
I think they've got theirs up to about 80 or 90 percent now.

4001
04:37:20,870 --> 04:37:21,450
Is that true?

4002
04:37:21,950 --> 04:37:25,370
And it seems like we could be a little bit more aggressive than 15 percent.

4003
04:37:26,710 --> 04:37:28,430
So I want to hang you up on that.

4004
04:37:28,530 --> 04:37:29,930
But that's something I'd love to see more.

4005
04:37:30,370 --> 04:37:30,730
That's fine.

4006
04:37:30,830 --> 04:37:32,850
We can definitely work with them and find it.

4007
04:37:33,670 --> 04:37:35,170
We've been working with Luke on these.

4008
04:37:35,630 --> 04:37:38,110
So, you know, I think they didn't want to hurt him right off the bat.

4009
04:37:38,110 --> 04:37:43,130
But you know we could definitely try to be a little bit more aggressive. That's a agreeable. Well, the silly girls make it look easy

4010
04:37:43,130 --> 04:37:48,730
So we have to get our baseline first and then it's easier to determine what we can dip right there enough

4011
04:37:49,270 --> 04:37:53,490
Like I said, it's great. You're doing that. I just hope you're as aggressive as possible there

4012
04:37:53,490 --> 04:37:57,570
And then the only other question is it's it's item 6.2

4013
04:37:57,570 --> 04:38:03,530
It talks about what would happen if the fees go up and there's adjustments and I just worry that seems very

4014
04:38:03,530 --> 04:38:08,510
very vague to me. And so I wanted to get Mark's two cents on that when it talks about how

4015
04:38:08,510 --> 04:38:12,690
it just says we would meet to negotiate an amendment.

4016
04:38:14,970 --> 04:38:21,310
At page 161, and this is if the costs of the city services go up over 180,

4017
04:38:24,620 --> 04:38:25,280
it's not really

4018
04:38:25,280 --> 04:38:27,540
a formula towards resolving it.

4019
04:38:30,780 --> 04:38:32,540
That's actually drafted in our favor.

4020
04:38:32,540 --> 04:38:37,740
that we can force them through a substantive amendment if they're requesting

4021
04:38:37,740 --> 04:38:43,060
a level of service, so it's meant to qualify the request for additional services.

4022
04:38:43,480 --> 04:38:46,660
It's not enough that we've just established a fee for those.

4023
04:38:46,860 --> 04:38:51,180
If it actually compresses against our resource availability or cost, we can force them

4024
04:38:51,180 --> 04:38:56,100
into a renegotiation as a substantive amendment instead of just them going under the

4025
04:38:56,100 --> 04:38:58,760
provision that says they can request more but have to pay the fee.

4026
04:38:58,760 --> 04:39:01,220
Okay. Thank you. Bill, better points.

4027
04:39:02,520 --> 04:39:03,000
Tim.

4028
04:39:04,440 --> 04:39:12,140
So Jason, does SEAC play any role in debriefing or anything at all with regard to the Kimball?

4029
04:39:12,360 --> 04:39:15,160
Because I just didn't see SEAC called out at all in the report.

4030
04:39:15,220 --> 04:39:19,580
Sure. And it's a fair point. I think that, you know, SEAC has, Kimball has been discussed there,

4031
04:39:20,220 --> 04:39:24,060
especially when we were talking about some of the conflicts that we were facing,

4032
04:39:24,060 --> 04:39:31,520
And it's always received very favorable comments, not only due to the community value of the

4033
04:39:31,520 --> 04:39:37,160
event which they find they love and that pre-Friday night is really enjoyable time for everybody.

4034
04:39:38,240 --> 04:39:43,980
But I think overall they like the idea that it supports a local community organization

4035
04:39:43,980 --> 04:39:46,760
that does so much as far as arts and culture for the community.

4036
04:39:47,980 --> 04:39:55,180
And I would suggest that maybe in future reports of this nature, we just reference that SEAC

4037
04:39:55,180 --> 04:39:55,840
did review.

4038
04:39:56,460 --> 04:40:00,040
These were the – this was a summary of the comments, just like you did just now.

4039
04:40:00,820 --> 04:40:01,280
Thanks.

4040
04:40:02,760 --> 04:40:03,620
Thanks, Tim.

4041
04:40:04,560 --> 04:40:05,320
Anything else?

4042
04:40:08,200 --> 04:40:08,380
Motion?

4043
04:40:13,100 --> 04:40:17,560
Motion to approve drill event tonight.

4044
04:40:18,220 --> 04:40:18,960
Not a practice.

4045
04:40:21,340 --> 04:40:22,160
Let's see.

4046
04:40:22,160 --> 04:40:28,500
motion to approve the new type 3 special events license and see services

4047
04:40:28,500 --> 04:40:32,680
agreement with the Kimblard Center as approved by the city attorney. We have a

4048
04:40:32,680 --> 04:40:39,640
motion and a second all in favor. Hi. Motion carries. Thank you. Next

4049
04:40:52,500 --> 04:40:54,240
on our

4050
04:40:54,240 --> 04:40:58,580
agenda is the 2016 Park Silly Sunday market end of the season review.

4051
04:41:01,850 --> 04:41:02,390
Good

4052
04:41:02,390 --> 04:41:03,490
evening. Hello.

4053
04:41:08,630 --> 04:41:10,490
You guys need to be quick because I have to get home and

4054
04:41:10,490 --> 04:41:11,450
watch the Cubs game.

4055
04:41:12,710 --> 04:41:13,710
You're a day late.

4056
04:41:14,770 --> 04:41:15,690
That was such a good thing.

4057
04:41:18,590 --> 04:41:21,310
Good evening, Mr. Mayor and City Council.

4058
04:41:21,750 --> 04:41:22,890
Jenny Deerson with Special Events.

4059
04:41:23,130 --> 04:41:26,030
Also Kate Void, the Executive Director of the Park Silly Market

4060
04:41:26,030 --> 04:41:28,870
and then Michelle McDonald, Director of Operations

4061
04:41:29,490 --> 04:41:31,390
for the Park Silly Sunday Market.

4062
04:41:32,110 --> 04:41:34,370
We are here tonight just to give you guys a review

4063
04:41:34,370 --> 04:41:36,830
of the end of season report regarding Park Silly Market.

4064
04:41:37,250 --> 04:41:39,190
We are asking tonight for City Council

4065
04:41:39,190 --> 04:41:44,810
to affirm that the market operated consistently with the City Services Agreement and successfully

4066
04:41:44,810 --> 04:41:49,990
met the measures of success for 2016. We'll be returning at a future meeting regarding

4067
04:41:49,990 --> 04:41:55,290
contract negotiations and mitigations in the future of the market. The report this

4068
04:41:55,290 --> 04:42:01,770
evening starts on page 183 of your packets. Thank you. She's reminding me to change

4069
04:42:01,770 --> 04:42:02,210
slides.

4070
04:42:05,670 --> 04:42:10,330
Again tonight it's just a quick review. The market did operate for 14

4071
04:42:10,330 --> 04:42:15,290
days. I believe the first date of the market was June 4th. It operated also

4072
04:42:15,290 --> 04:42:19,190
through September 18th and then of course the market was not held on either

4073
04:42:19,190 --> 04:42:23,570
Arts Festival or Tour of Utah weekends. Estimated city services at the

4074
04:42:23,570 --> 04:42:28,730
beginning of the market back in March were at $73,000 roughly there and then

4075
04:42:28,730 --> 04:42:30,830
in the actual city services were at 75.

4076
04:42:31,190 --> 04:42:33,670
Mid-season report was actually closer to 77.

4077
04:42:34,070 --> 04:42:35,410
So there was some changes there.

4078
04:42:36,910 --> 04:42:38,490
And then this year we saw-

4079
04:42:38,490 --> 04:42:42,050
Can I point out one bigly grammatical error in that slide?

4080
04:42:42,330 --> 04:42:43,110
OGL saw it.

4081
04:42:43,110 --> 04:42:43,990
Would you please go back?

4082
04:42:44,210 --> 04:42:44,610
I'm so sorry.

4083
04:42:44,950 --> 04:42:49,490
Parks City, Sully Marks, will operate it.

4084
04:42:49,890 --> 04:42:52,170
That's a bigly grammatical error.

4085
04:42:54,030 --> 04:42:55,070
Thank you.

4086
04:43:02,840 --> 04:43:06,720
This year, so again, it was a 5% attendance growth to the market.

4087
04:43:06,920 --> 04:43:11,760
We saw about 199,000 people attend the market this year.

4088
04:43:12,340 --> 04:43:16,920
HPCA and working group coordination continues with the Park Silly Sunday Market.

4089
04:43:17,560 --> 04:43:22,440
There were three times this year where HPCA was unable to show up for a vendor booth

4090
04:43:22,440 --> 04:43:26,020
that they agreed to show up to and did not meet the cancellation parameters

4091
04:43:26,020 --> 04:43:27,080
that had been outlined.

4092
04:43:27,080 --> 04:43:32,340
Silly Market was able to find a vendor quickly to fill in those spaces in HPCA

4093
04:43:32,340 --> 04:43:37,920
to pay a fine regarding that cancelled fee or cancelled space.

4094
04:43:38,780 --> 04:43:42,940
Working group meetings, as I said, were held and we also actually had an additional meeting

4095
04:43:42,940 --> 04:43:47,080
specifically to look further into some of the sustainability efforts.

4096
04:43:47,740 --> 04:43:49,380
I'll talk about further in my slides.

4097
04:43:50,320 --> 04:43:56,600
So we actually went out to the Canvas area and took some of the compost out to some local livestock out there

4098
04:43:56,600 --> 04:44:08,720
It was quite enjoyable kind of seeing some of the services that we, you know, that we offered to the families out there and they had pineapple, they had Bloody Mary toppings and bicycle breads.

4099
04:44:09,040 --> 04:44:11,000
Happy as a pig and slump is a real thing.

4100
04:44:11,660 --> 04:44:15,800
It was very fun and great to see that going on.

4101
04:44:16,240 --> 04:44:23,160
I think a lot, a big portion of the report also talks about parking mitigations throughout the event this year.

4102
04:44:23,160 --> 04:44:30,160
We had some concerns up on airy where we not only saw concerns with the city market but with some other events and other days

4103
04:44:30,160 --> 04:44:32,600
Where people are trying to access a trail right there on airy

4104
04:44:32,600 --> 04:44:38,820
What we did is we worked with other departments including special events and engineering to get some temporary signs up and that actually

4105
04:44:38,820 --> 04:44:41,960
Resulted in permanent signs up there to help with some of those mitigations

4106
04:44:42,460 --> 04:44:47,320
Additionally police reported kind of towards the end of the market that people were continuing to leave their cars

4107
04:44:48,180 --> 04:44:51,260
specifically on Lower Main Street even though it was already posted and noticed

4108
04:44:51,260 --> 04:44:54,720
that there was an event there the next day overnight overnight so that what

4109
04:44:54,720 --> 04:44:58,440
happens is when we arrived in the morning those cars were still there we

4110
04:44:58,440 --> 04:44:59,960
continued to actually add

4111
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:05,700
Additional temporary signs on the street on Saturday night before staff left and cars continue

4112
04:45:05,700 --> 04:45:08,760
to be there. So we're going to need to do a little bit further mitigation. I don't want

4113
04:45:08,760 --> 04:45:12,600
to get too far into that, but it is something we're looking in, also talking about looking

4114
04:45:12,600 --> 04:45:15,980
at the placement of flower baskets for existing signs that are already posted there. Do we

4115
04:45:15,980 --> 04:45:21,360
need to lower those so on and so forth? And then I think the other topic is that we

4116
04:45:21,360 --> 04:45:25,800
want to continue to monitor the residential parking areas. We continue to really see

4117
04:45:25,800 --> 04:45:29,160
that the residents on Park Ave aren't using those residential parking areas.

4118
04:45:29,760 --> 04:45:33,980
So before we kind of determine that they're not needed, we want to make sure we're doing

4119
04:45:33,980 --> 04:45:38,500
the outreach for residents to understand that that is there and look at other residential

4120
04:45:38,500 --> 04:45:43,640
parking options on Park Ave to reduce traffic and concerns that those residents are having

4121
04:45:43,640 --> 04:45:44,220
in the future.

4122
04:45:45,480 --> 04:45:50,220
And then also another thing I think that's helped improve some of the coordination between

4123
04:45:50,220 --> 04:45:56,080
the parking department and Silly Market and HBCA and is really having vendor license plates

4124
04:45:56,080 --> 04:45:59,920
and kind of identifying when vendors are kind of outside of the spaces where we've requested

4125
04:45:59,920 --> 04:46:04,020
for them to park. We've been giving them notice and kind of redirecting them to where

4126
04:46:04,020 --> 04:46:08,200
they should be parking to allow people that are attending the market or stores on Main

4127
04:46:08,200 --> 04:46:14,500
Street the ability to park in those locations. And then specifically I want to highlight

4128
04:46:14,500 --> 04:46:19,440
Silly Market for two things. Number one is throughout the course of the busy event

4129
04:46:19,440 --> 04:46:24,220
season. There were three instances where the city actually turned to Silly Market and asked for their

4130
04:46:24,220 --> 04:46:29,420
assistance with events, not only with their staff, but also with their equipment. And Silly Market

4131
04:46:29,420 --> 04:46:34,260
each time was more than happy to make some of those things happen. Those events were Fourth of

4132
04:46:34,260 --> 04:46:39,100
July, Tour of Utah, and Arts Festival. So they actually lent us their staff and equipment

4133
04:46:39,100 --> 04:46:46,960
to help us pull off things, operations for those events. Number two is, yes, we very much

4134
04:46:46,960 --> 04:46:48,640
So I appreciated that and needed those things.

4135
04:46:49,160 --> 04:46:51,920
Number two is they beyond lead the charge

4136
04:46:51,920 --> 04:46:53,880
with regards to any other event we have

4137
04:46:53,880 --> 04:46:55,240
on their sustainability efforts.

4138
04:46:55,680 --> 04:46:57,760
They have an 87% diversion rate,

4139
04:46:57,940 --> 04:47:00,040
as you can see from the slide I have up on the screen.

4140
04:47:00,540 --> 04:47:03,740
And we are looking at the program that we have.

4141
04:47:03,840 --> 04:47:06,160
It is a robust program,

4142
04:47:06,260 --> 04:47:07,920
I'm sure they can talk a little bit more about it,

4143
04:47:08,060 --> 04:47:11,680
but we're looking at this program as a standard for events.

4144
04:47:12,020 --> 04:47:13,680
This is the standard and these events

4145
04:47:13,680 --> 04:47:16,180
will have to meet these programs

4146
04:47:16,180 --> 04:47:21,400
programs, and there will be increased costs. There's things like bike valets, composting,

4147
04:47:21,880 --> 04:47:25,560
and you know, all of these recycling programs are not inexpensive, and it takes a lot.

4148
04:47:25,620 --> 04:47:26,780
Do you want to take your waste to the pigs?

4149
04:47:27,440 --> 04:47:31,000
I don't know. We'll see. Maybe those, maybe we'll have a lot of really fattened-

4150
04:47:31,000 --> 04:47:32,120
We're going to need a lot more pigs.

4151
04:47:33,520 --> 04:47:34,140
But I think-

4152
04:47:34,140 --> 04:47:37,640
Those pigs, those pigs, they could use more, but they're, yeah, we might need

4153
04:47:37,640 --> 04:47:38,140
some more pigs.

4154
04:47:38,400 --> 04:47:39,940
It's not county fair. We know what they go for.

4155
04:47:39,960 --> 04:47:40,320
We do.

4156
04:47:41,080 --> 04:47:48,060
And on this slide here, I had some questions just between 2016 and 2015.

4157
04:47:48,400 --> 04:47:52,740
The glass actually decreased, and I had asked the silly market why that actually happened.

4158
04:47:53,140 --> 04:47:58,480
And they actually encouraged their vendors not to use items that we don't want to see in our landfills.

4159
04:47:58,560 --> 04:48:03,280
So they said take glass out of, vendors shouldn't be providing glass bottles or things.

4160
04:48:03,720 --> 04:48:07,440
The glass that they do receive at the market is actually people that are coming to the market

4161
04:48:07,440 --> 04:48:10,440
get with a drink and a glass bottle, so on and so forth.

4162
04:48:10,800 --> 04:48:13,640
So there's a lot of information and a lot of way

4163
04:48:13,640 --> 04:48:15,640
that I think we can reach out and reach some of those goals

4164
04:48:15,640 --> 04:48:16,540
through events as well.

4165
04:48:18,000 --> 04:48:22,080
And before I turn it over, I am gonna just turn it over

4166
04:48:22,080 --> 04:48:23,940
actually to Kate to give some comments

4167
04:48:23,940 --> 04:48:25,340
and then I'll turn it over to city council.

4168
04:48:25,700 --> 04:48:27,220
Kate, please speak up.

4169
04:48:28,000 --> 04:48:30,140
No, it did come to my attention.

4170
04:48:30,140 --> 04:48:31,040
Don't try not to hold back.

4171
04:48:31,240 --> 04:48:32,100
I know, I know.

4172
04:48:32,220 --> 04:48:35,180
It came to my attention that I might have been

4173
04:48:35,180 --> 04:48:41,160
a little abrasive. So I just wanted to apologize, Mr. Mayor, and to City Council. I'm an east

4174
04:48:41,160 --> 04:48:46,140
coaster with a lot of passion for what I do, and most of the time, right, most of the time

4175
04:48:46,140 --> 04:48:52,360
I am very much kind of just, I just listen to all the ideas that come at me. I really

4176
04:48:52,360 --> 04:48:58,060
take full advantage of what Jason and Jenny tell Michelle and I to do, you know, in the

4177
04:48:58,060 --> 04:49:01,220
direction that they give us. And so I-

4178
04:49:01,220 --> 04:49:02,500
That's much appreciated.

4179
04:49:03,840 --> 04:49:06,600
Normally I just go, okay, yes, we'll work on that.

4180
04:49:06,720 --> 04:49:08,520
Absolutely, we will do that for you.

4181
04:49:08,580 --> 04:49:09,800
What else would you like me to know?

4182
04:49:09,940 --> 04:49:11,940
And really, and that's how I want this next,

4183
04:49:12,560 --> 04:49:14,460
that's how I, this year went,

4184
04:49:14,580 --> 04:49:16,900
and that's how I want our future to always go is just,

4185
04:49:17,080 --> 04:49:19,880
we are here to also, yeah, to partner

4186
04:49:19,880 --> 04:49:23,960
and to continue trying to listen

4187
04:49:23,960 --> 04:49:25,160
to the community concerns

4188
04:49:25,160 --> 04:49:26,800
and listen to city council's concerns.

4189
04:49:27,100 --> 04:49:29,080
And again, like I said earlier,

4190
04:49:29,080 --> 04:49:34,000
and when I was here a couple weeks ago is, you know, I will be that person carrying that

4191
04:49:34,000 --> 04:49:39,720
big arrow telling people that spins around like don't park here or, you know, just whatever

4192
04:49:39,720 --> 04:49:40,140
it takes.

4193
04:49:40,300 --> 04:49:41,580
I mean, that's what we want to be.

4194
04:49:41,920 --> 04:49:42,900
Well, I love your passion.

4195
04:49:43,120 --> 04:49:43,460
Thank you.

4196
04:49:43,460 --> 04:49:43,640
That helps.

4197
04:49:44,360 --> 04:49:46,940
But I apologize if I came up a little abrupt.

4198
04:49:48,480 --> 04:49:49,060
Thank you.

4199
04:49:49,340 --> 04:49:49,680
Thank you.

4200
04:49:50,360 --> 04:49:52,520
I will turn it over to you guys for questions and questions.

4201
04:49:54,000 --> 04:49:54,820
Questions, anybody?

4202
04:49:55,340 --> 04:49:55,720
Okay.

4203
04:49:56,600 --> 04:49:56,940
Rebecca.

4204
04:49:56,940 --> 04:49:58,760
I thought it was very interesting.

4205
04:49:59,000 --> 04:50:01,880
I don't know if you changed the way you counted your parking,

4206
04:50:02,380 --> 04:50:05,080
but this was kind of what I would expect to see,

4207
04:50:05,160 --> 04:50:07,620
and it was really interesting that that was a reversal of last year.

4208
04:50:07,740 --> 04:50:11,400
And do you know why it went from a smiley face to a frowny face?

4209
04:50:11,780 --> 04:50:15,340
I don't. And when I was looking at those kind of parking numbers and parking statistics,

4210
04:50:16,180 --> 04:50:18,900
you know, I'm hopeful in 2017 that we can, you know,

4211
04:50:18,980 --> 04:50:20,780
glean even more information from that.

4212
04:50:22,940 --> 04:50:27,900
And I think, I mean, we did have some calendar coordination things, you know, where certain

4213
04:50:27,900 --> 04:50:33,380
events weren't on certain days, and, you know, I think the calendar fell a little bit differently

4214
04:50:33,380 --> 04:50:34,540
and that could have an impact.

4215
04:50:36,080 --> 04:50:39,520
But, you know, I think we need further data and...

4216
04:50:39,520 --> 04:50:41,400
Is that related to overnight?

4217
04:50:42,400 --> 04:50:42,660
Yeah.

4218
04:50:42,740 --> 04:50:43,560
Is that part of that?

4219
04:50:43,780 --> 04:50:44,100
Is that...

4220
04:50:44,100 --> 04:50:45,180
So we're doing a parking night.

4221
04:50:45,480 --> 04:50:47,560
So it's 10, 1, and 4 o'clock each day.

4222
04:50:47,660 --> 04:50:47,900
Okay.

4223
04:50:48,120 --> 04:50:48,920
And so I don't...

4224
04:50:48,920 --> 04:50:50,400
On Sunday during the day.

4225
04:50:50,400 --> 04:50:55,320
Open necessarily and if you look at that chart I think in 2015 and that first day in 2015

4226
04:50:55,320 --> 04:50:58,400
It's like above and beyond. I think almost of the five thousand limit

4227
04:50:58,400 --> 04:51:02,720
I think that was the first time we did counts and maybe there was a count off at that point

4228
04:51:02,720 --> 04:51:08,280
But we will continue to monitor that and I think in conjunction with that help from the parking department

4229
04:51:08,280 --> 04:51:10,840
And also some of the data now that we have from

4230
04:51:11,340 --> 04:51:16,820
Blank seeing comparing those two using those data collection items together will be helpful as well

4231
04:51:17,180 --> 04:51:21,020
Okay. This is, I mean, that would be, this is more what I would expect to have seen.

4232
04:51:21,160 --> 04:51:21,340
Right.

4233
04:51:23,680 --> 04:51:25,200
Good comment. Anything else?

4234
04:51:28,800 --> 04:51:30,840
Is there anybody from the public that wants to weigh

4235
04:51:30,840 --> 04:51:35,320
in? Seeing no one? No, I'm kidding. Mike.

4236
04:51:37,880 --> 04:51:40,920
Why is it that I like to harass you? You

4237
04:51:40,920 --> 04:51:43,660
know, I did it when I was on the planning commission. I do it here.

4238
04:51:44,660 --> 04:51:44,820
That's right.

4239
04:51:44,820 --> 04:51:45,800
And you do that to anybody else.

4240
04:51:46,340 --> 04:51:51,140
It's okay, Mayor. You have the privilege of being able to do that. I like that.

4241
04:51:51,140 --> 04:51:56,640
I feel it. Well, I'm here because I'm representing myself and my two brothers with

4242
04:51:56,640 --> 04:52:01,740
respect to the silly Sunday market. We worked very closely with them. And they

4243
04:52:01,740 --> 04:52:07,240
have done a really wonderful job this year again. And all of my tenants in our

4244
04:52:07,240 --> 04:52:16,240
space are extremely happy with what goes on and how they help direct people so that

4245
04:52:16,240 --> 04:52:24,660
But in addition to keeping the street busy, they also help keep our patrons coming into

4246
04:52:24,660 --> 04:52:25,320
our place.

4247
04:52:26,040 --> 04:52:27,820
So they get cutos for that.

4248
04:52:28,960 --> 04:52:34,420
And I think that they've gone the extra mile again one more time, and I like to see the

4249
04:52:34,420 --> 04:52:36,020
activity that is on the street.

4250
04:52:36,420 --> 04:52:40,700
And I do walk up all the way up to Upper Main Street, and I can see people that do

4251
04:52:40,700 --> 04:52:43,660
manage besides me walking up there.

4252
04:52:43,660 --> 04:52:46,480
So I think there's a lot of foot traffic that we're seeing.

4253
04:52:48,080 --> 04:52:49,420
No, that's because you're on a bike.

4254
04:52:49,700 --> 04:52:50,520
You don't walk anymore.

4255
04:52:50,680 --> 04:52:52,080
You just ride your damn bike.

4256
04:52:53,840 --> 04:52:56,100
And I see you going up there, Andy.

4257
04:52:57,140 --> 04:53:00,900
So I'm giving them my, we're ready for next year.

4258
04:53:01,480 --> 04:53:01,960
Thank you.

4259
04:53:02,360 --> 04:53:02,840
Thank you.

4260
04:53:02,940 --> 04:53:03,460
Thank you, Mike.

4261
04:53:03,820 --> 04:53:04,300
I'm touched.

4262
04:53:05,660 --> 04:53:06,680
I'll get out of here.

4263
04:53:07,680 --> 04:53:08,420
Thank you, Mike.

4264
04:53:09,280 --> 04:53:09,760
Anyone else?

4265
04:53:10,600 --> 04:53:10,860
All right.

4266
04:53:11,200 --> 04:53:11,500
Motion.

4267
04:53:12,080 --> 04:53:13,160
It's just a review.

4268
04:53:13,220 --> 04:53:14,120
I don't think we need a review.

4269
04:53:14,400 --> 04:53:16,200
We can give my congrats on the great season.

4270
04:53:16,200 --> 04:53:16,560
Thank you.

4271
04:53:17,060 --> 04:53:17,840
Well done.

4272
04:53:18,220 --> 04:53:18,580
Thank you.

4273
04:53:18,760 --> 04:53:19,040
Thank you.

4274
04:53:19,040 --> 04:53:20,100
Let me get these glasses on.

4275
04:53:21,640 --> 04:53:22,500
Nice review.

4276
04:53:22,840 --> 04:53:23,320
Thank you.

4277
04:53:23,680 --> 04:53:24,080
Thank you.

4278
04:53:28,000 --> 04:53:34,200
Next on the agenda is the new business item number six, consideration to continue

4279
04:53:34,200 --> 04:53:37,500
public hearing regarding the Stein Erickson Lodge Common Area.

4280
04:53:38,260 --> 04:53:41,060
We'll now open the public hearing for that item.

4281
04:53:41,060 --> 04:53:43,540
Is there anyone here to talk about the

4282
04:53:47,410 --> 04:53:51,530
supplemental condominium plat for St. Erickson

4283
04:53:51,530 --> 04:53:51,810
Lodge?

4284
04:53:52,630 --> 04:53:56,490
Seeing no one, we'll continue that to November 17th if we have a motion.

4285
04:53:57,410 --> 04:53:59,410
Do we have all in favor?

4286
04:54:01,090 --> 04:54:01,850
It's gone.

4287
04:54:02,330 --> 04:54:03,150
It's out of here.

4288
04:54:04,250 --> 04:54:09,370
Next on the agenda is consideration to continue the public hearing regarding the Second

4289
04:54:09,370 --> 04:54:14,250
amendment to the resubdivision of Lots 1 and 2 at Silver Lake Village.

4290
04:54:16,140 --> 04:54:20,100
We'll take public hearing on that. Anybody here to talk on that? Mike, are you sure?

4291
04:54:20,640 --> 04:54:21,060
Is not?

4292
04:54:21,500 --> 04:54:21,780
No.

4293
04:54:22,700 --> 04:54:28,200
Seeing no one, we'll look for a continuation for that hearing to December 1st with the motion.

4294
04:54:28,640 --> 04:54:29,040
Some moved.

4295
04:54:29,480 --> 04:54:29,780
Second.

4296
04:54:30,360 --> 04:54:30,880
All in favor?

4297
04:54:31,460 --> 04:54:31,780
Aye.

4298
04:54:32,840 --> 04:54:36,560
One more thing to do. Do we have a motion to adjourn?

4299
04:54:37,220 --> 04:54:37,920
Some moved.

4300
04:54:38,940 --> 04:54:41,260
It was a stereophonic motion.

4301
04:54:41,720 --> 04:54:42,460
I can't tell who.

4302
04:54:42,860 --> 04:54:43,620
We'll give it to Andy.

4303
04:54:44,220 --> 04:54:44,580
All in favor?

4304
04:54:45,040 --> 04:54:45,240
Aye.

4305
04:54:45,980 --> 04:54:46,620
We're out of here.

4306
04:54:47,700 --> 04:54:48,380
Thank you very much.