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Go ahead and call the August 12th Planning Commission meeting to order.

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We have all commissioners present today, except for Commissioner Bill, who is excused today, and we have commissioners

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day and strong joining us via Zoom tonight. Hi, guys.

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Do we have any amendments or a motion for the minutes from July 8th?

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Sure.

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I'd like to make a motion to approve the minutes from planning commission reading on July 8th.

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Second.

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We have a motion by Commissioner Shannon.

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Second by Commissioner Frontero.

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All those in favor.

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All right.

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Aye.

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my motion passes and we'll move into item number three staff and board communications and

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disclosures will start first with any staff communications we have not tonight and then any

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board disclosures for this evening. Chair Van Dyne, I'd like to disclose that I had been approached

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by someone who I didn't know the name of to discuss one of the items on the agenda tonight

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will have no bearing on my decision or my decision making process.

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Okay, for the five acres, right? Yes.

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I'd like to disclose that I was approached by an individual that didn't identify themselves

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who stated they were in support of the five acres site.

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All right. Any other disclosures?

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Okay. We'll move into our item then.

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Item 3, A Planings Commission Chair, Elections, do we have any comments, questions, nominations,

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any of the above?

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No questions here.

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I'd like to address my fellow commissioners and make a nomination to elect Chair Van Dine to

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a second term as the Chair of the Planion Commission.

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Yes, second.

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All right.

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we have a motion by a commissioner shan, a second by was a commissioner day?

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Happy to second second.

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Oh, no. I sorry. I thought I heard the second, but oh, Adam. Sorry. Commissioner Sean,

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all those in favor. All right. All right. All right. All right. Motion passes. And with that,

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as well, we need to elect a program as well. Commissioner frontera husband serving as our

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time. Do we have any questions, concerns, discussion, or

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enomination?

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If you're a van dynamite, I'd like to

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elect or nominate John Frontaro to continue for another term as our

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chill program.

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Perfect. We have a motion by Commissioner Sand, a second by Commissioner

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Straun, all those in favor. All right, motion passes. So we'll continue as is for the

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next year. Thanks guys. Then moving into item number.

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Number 4, public communications. Anyone wishing to speak on an item not on this evening's agenda. Please feel free to step forward.

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Real quick, while we have people stepping forward. A reminder for comments this evening. Please limit your comments to three minutes. We will have a timer. You'll get a ding.

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And I will remind you to wrap up if that ding goes if you keep going past that. Please note responses to any comments. We don't clap.

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chair, boo, anybody in here, everyone's entitled to their comments and their opinions as we go in here.

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And we'll sum up some of some more comments before our next comment section.

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Please make sure you sign in and states your name for the record.

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Got it. I am Julie Caldwell. I live in 8406. I am here with neighbors tonight to go on record,

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expressing our concern over the Park City School District's

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athletic expansion, which now includes a shot-put and

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discus structure on the south end of the North 40 fields.

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This structure is not on the existing plans for the athletic facilities

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outlined on the district website, and neighbors were only made

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aware of it yesterday when footings were poured and we started

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asking questions. Our first question is

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Pan Park City School District unilaterally,

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construct permanent facilities on the North 40 fields.

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The joint use agreement,

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specifically addresses permanent or substantial physical changes

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to the fields and requires appropriate written approval.

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A shop-put discuss facility would seem to fall

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within this category.

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Second and perhaps most importantly,

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The city's 2025 planning commission record specifically described the North 40 as an area that, quote,

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will not and has not been disturbed, unquote, as part of the new athletic facilities project.

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My understanding from Randy Upton with the district is that subsequent changes around the dozer facility are what ultimately created the pressure to move the structure onto the North 40.

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It is not clear whether the shot put discist facilities on the North 40 were part of the approved

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CUP, or subsequently approved as a modification.

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So I think it's very reasonable question to raise with your committee tonight.

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We would request a halt on further construction of this structure before these basic questions are answered.

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Thanks.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Anyone else wishing to speak on an item not on tonight's agenda?

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All right.

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We will close public communications and we will move into our regular agenda.

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Our first item is item 5A, five acre site subdivision, master plan development, and conditional use permits.

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Thank you, Chair.

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And I will share my screen here one second.

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All right.

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The five acre site is up for review tonight for a master plan development to condition use permits and a subdivision.

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The site is located at the southwest corner of Kerns Boulevard in Bonanza Drive.

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The site is owned by Park City, and through a public private partnership with Brinshwar

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Development is the purpose and the redevelopment of the site.

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The property has three frontages, one on Munchkin, Bonanza Drive, and Kerns Boulevard,

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and is located in the general commercial and frontage protections zone.

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It's proposed that the site is redeveloped with a mixed use that includes seven builders.

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The proposed 185,512 square feet, 88 affordable rental restricted housing units, 18 unrestricted housing units,

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Over 30,000 square feet of retail restaurant, cafe, nonprofit art space, amphitheater, playground, public art in a child care center.

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The applicant is proposing a master plan development, which requires the finding that the project incorporates best planning practices for sustainable development.

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We are joined by Sylia Peterson from Sustainability Online to review with the planning commission her work with the applicant in meeting this criteria.

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If the planning commission has questions for Sylia, they're welcome to ask her after she speaks.

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Any other general questions on the project can be addressed at the end of the presentations.

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And Sylia, are you, can you hear me?

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Nann, it looks like Sylia is delayed this evening.

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So if we can continue with the presentation

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and then when she's able to join on Zoom,

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we'll let you know.

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Great, thank you, Rebecca.

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So we'll go back to that.

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As review prior, the site is within

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a general commercial zoning district,

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which has an allowed building height of 35 feet

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or 40 feet with allowed roof exceptions.

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The required setbacks for a master plan development is a 25 foot perimeter setback on the project.

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The frontage protection zone runs along Kerns Boulevard.

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The FPZ extends 100 feet into the property from the Kerns Boulevard right away line.

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The FPZ requires a 30 foot setback for all structures along Kerns Boulevard.

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No structures are proposed within this 30 foot setback.

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All construction activity within the FPZ requires a conditional use permit that is subject to review by the planning commission. Tonight we will be focusing on building height parking and traffic and at the end of our presentation staff is requesting feedback from the commission.

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And we will also circle a circle of background to Silly when she's ready.

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Through the MPD process, applicant is requesting additional building height for review by the commission.

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The commission may grant building height building high exception through the MPD process

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if the applicant sufficiently demonstrates the sixth criteria and the LMCR being met.

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During the June 24th and July 8th, Commission meetings, the Commission requested additional information from the applicant to clarify building high and provide examples of different roof pitch heights for the review the applicant has provided three roof variations for the Commission review the 12 12 roof pitch on the six buildings that are requesting additional height.

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range from 54 and a half to 65 feet tall.

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Measured from existing grade. Option 2 is the 5th of building heights ranging on the six buildings from 46 and a half feet to 55 feet and options option 3 with a 412 roof pitch has building heights ranging from 46 and a half feet to 55 feet. And that's further broken down into this in the staff report.

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The

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first of the six criteria is the increase in building height doesn't result in an increase in

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square footage or building volume. The applicant has submitted the development density potential

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showing the buildable area of the site. The potential is 482,078 square feet. The applicant

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is proposing a development with 185,512 square feet,

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or approximately 38% of the allowed density potential

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of the site.

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Based on staff's analysis, the proposal

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appears to comply with this criteria.

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The second criteria is buildings have been positioned

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to minimize visual impacts on adjacent structures.

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Potential problems on neighboring properties caused

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shout-shadows, loss of solar access, and loss of air circulation have been mitigated.

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The applicant has submitted a solar shadow study showing any potential impacts on adjacent

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structures. It also appears that this, the project is compliant with this criteria.

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Criteria is three as the requirement for adequate landscaping and buffering from adjacent properties

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and uses.

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The applicant has updated their landscaping plan to show a landscape buffer with trees along

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the west property line of the site.

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This area is outlined in red on the screen and this also appears to be compliant with

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the code.

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Excuse me, compliant with the criteria.

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Criteria for requires increased setbacks and separations from adjacent properties.

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The Master Plan Development requires a 25 foot setback along the perimeter of the project.

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The applicant is proposing a 51 and 1.5 foot setback along Kerns Boulevard, 34 foot setback along Bonanza Drive.

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Along Munchkin Road, it's compliant with a 25 foot setback and additional setback of 40 feet along the west property line.

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that it joins the neighboring site.

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This also appears to comply with criteria four.

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Criteria five requires that the additional height

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results in more than minimum open space required

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and results in open space that is publicly accessible.

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The applicant provided an open space plan

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showing the location and amount of publicly accessible

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open space highlighted in green on the screen.

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For a redevelopment project in the GC zoning district requires 30% of the site is open space.

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The applicant is proposing 60.6% open space and this also appears to be compliant based on staff's analysis.

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And finally, the master plan development requires the finding that the additional building height is designed in a manner.

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That provides transition and roof elements in compliance with Chapter 155 of the LMC, which is the architectural review.

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While the 1212 roof pitch option complies with facade variation requirements, the flat and 412 roof pitch options.

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for the building facade to be compliant with this criteria.

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And as stated earlier, construction within the FPZ requires a conditional use permit,

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reviewed by the Commission and subject to all applicable review criteria.

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The two applicable criteria include building mass, bulk, orientation, and the location of building

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on-site, including orientation to buildings on a joint, a jointing life.

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Excuse me, a jointing loss.

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The second criteria is physical design and compatibility

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with surrounding structures in mass scale,

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style, design, and architectural detailing.

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I'm on the right side.

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Buildings 2 and 3 shown on the screen are within the FPC district.

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Building 4 has a covered and unenclosed patio that extends into the F.P.C.

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Buildings 2 and 3 heights ranged from 46 and a half feet to 58 feet, depending on the roof form option that the applicant has submitted.

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Buildings 2 and 3 are proposed to front along Kerns, Kerns Boulevard, and are set back a minimum of 51 feet six inches.

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building forest proposed to be set back a minimum of 72 feet.

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The six larger structures on the site are proposed to be oriented to both the public street and to the interior publicly accessible courtyard.

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The five acres site is bounded on three sides by streets and the only adjoining property is the site to the west with commercial uses.

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The nearest commercial structure is within the FPZ as well, and is set back approximately

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45 feet, six inches, and is a single story structure.

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Next we want to highlight some of the key points from the applicant's suite of exhibits

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addressing parking and traffic. This includes a parking analysis, a transportation impact

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study, and a traffic demand management plan that were all prepared by a third party consultant.

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And the applicant has reviewed these documents with the engineering team and the engineering team has worked with a separate consultant to review these documents as well.

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This table highlights the proposed mix of uses.

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At the five acres site, based on the uses that are proposed, the project order quality of the basis, the applicant is proposing 280 spaces, which is about 35% more spaces than required by code.

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All of these spaces are proposed within an underground parking structure that would be active.

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Excessed, along Benanza Drive, and then on a separate driveway connecting Munchkin Road and Kerns Boulevard.

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There's also some surface parking spaces about nine spaces on Munchkin Road, not shown in this table as well as a drop off area on Munchkin Road.

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The applicant's proposal complies with the land management code requirements for electric vehicle charging stations,

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conduit requirements for future installations, as well as outdoor and enclosed bicycle storage.

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The applicant submitted a parking management plan that outlines their proposal to manage

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the 280 parking spaces within the underground garage.

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The applicant indicated that there would be dedicated parking for residential uses.

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So about 118 of the required spaces are for residential units.

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the applicant is also proposing dedicated parking spaces for some of the larger units in excessive

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what the code requires. The applicant is proposing a paid parking program for retail uses and

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visitors to the site as well as parking monitoring and enforcement and then adaptive parking

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management strategies looking at the project as developed and finding ways to adjust

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parking monitoring and enforcement based on what is observed.

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The planning commission can require additional

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off-street parking spaces or reduce the off-street parking

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requirement based on a parking analysis that is submitted by the applicant.

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Because the applicant is proposing additional parking,

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they've submitted a parking analysis that reviews each of the criteria you see on the slide in front of you.

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As NAN indicated earlier, about 38% of the allowed density for the site is being developed under this proposal, so that is the proposed use obviously a project that is of higher density would require additional parking mixed use developments often require less parking then single use developments because they generate less parking demand and so while the code doesn't identify a percentage reduction that the planning commission can apply to a mixed use development.

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It does give the commission the option to reduce that parking requirement.

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The applicant noted that special events are expected to draw additional visitors to

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the site visitors could be encouraged to take transit, walk or bite to the site, and then

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the applicant's parking management plan highlights some other potential ways to reduce single

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occupant vehicle trips to the site, paid on site parking, shuttle service, and events

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specific parking management, so the project could be conditioned to include some of those elements.

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The applicant could also consider shared parking agreements because there are a mixture of uses.

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Shared parking agreements could be recorded to reduce the overall parking demand for the site.

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Staff recommends that the applicant could submit a comparison of projects of similar size, which is the final criteria for the planning commission to review when

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considering an increase or a reduction in parking.

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The context for traffic at five acres site

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is, and there's existing gaps within the sidewalk and trail network in Benanza Park.

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This image is from the Benanza Park's small area plan, so it was developed as the plan was being

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developed. Some of these gaps, like the orange line you see along the home safe road, have been

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addressed with projects that took place this year. The sidewalk gap along Munchkin Road would be

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address with the proposed five acresite project.

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And then there are other projects in the works

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are being reviewed that could address the deficiencies

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on the traffic network, the Munchkin Road extension,

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the complete sheet improvements that have occurred

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along Homestake Road, et cetera.

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Currently there are 10 vehicle access points

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on the five acresite.

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The applicant is proposing to reduce that to three,

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so a single access point on each of Kerns

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Ananza and Munchkin.

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And then the final slide is the applicant's transportation

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demand management plan due to traffic volumes on the site.

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The applicant is proposing to restrict left turns into and from the site

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on both the NASA and Kerns.

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The applicant is proposing to provide space for dedicated transit lanes.

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On the NASA drive, lanes in both direction,

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as well as some additional space for buffers.

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The project incorporates a bike share station and provides about double the required outdoor and enclosed bicycle storage.

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The project would also establish pedestrian connections, most notably to the rail trail, but also to other sidewalks and trails within the region.

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The applicant has indicated they would implement a carpool and vanpool program as part of this project and then as we discussed earlier the project would reserve dedicated parking spaces for residents

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and implement a parking management and enforcement plan.

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I believe the applicant has a presentation to share as well and then we can return with some

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questions for the the commission at the end of the applicant's presentation.

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Thank you.

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Just you guys know we're getting more chairs for people on the floor.

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What? Just so you guys know we're getting more chairs.

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I think while we're waiting,

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Just a reminder to everybody when we do open up for a public comment, we understand that there is some community opposition to this project in general.

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And people wanting different things with this area, but our job here is planning commission is to process the application in front of us.

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So comments should be tied to the land management code, the general plan and other concerns with the project.

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We don't make the policy. We process the applications. Again, comment will be limited to three minutes per person and tonight we're on a pretty hard cut off time. So we're going to keep our comments.

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We're going to keep our comments time frame set, but we will have more opportunity in the future for comment. This is not the last meeting.

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And also at any time you can submit comments to planning at Parkcity.gov and all of that gets

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included in the public record and we read all of them.

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So if you don't get a chance tonight feel free to submit those as well or come back to future

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meetings.

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You guys ready?

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Yes.

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Well, thank you all for letting us present our project once again.

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I'm Steve Swisher with GTS Development. We have Lisa Swisher here with GTS and David Brent with Brent Shaw development and our civil engineers and architects and we're here to kind of tell our story a little bit, but also to answer questions and work with the planning commission to sort of arrive at a good place with this project when we're done, we together. So I wanted to start out tonight and back up just to hear and talk about what we're doing.

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where this project came from, and where the design came from, and when we were selected to

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co-develop this five acres with the city, one of the driving forces in the RFP that drove our design

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in our selection was the idea that we would implement the policies of the new small area plan, and we have

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based all of our design on trying to implement these policies.

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And in the small area plan, one of the things that really proposed is

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what the mixed use development was to do vertical management.

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One of the other things that was proposed is that if

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a development provided lots of community amenities that there would be some flexibility for both density and building height,

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Our design did not attempt to seek extra density, but we are trying to get some extra building height.

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So on the next slide, one of the things that I thought was interesting about the small area plan was that it went on to go to

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great detail to define what community benefit was, and this is a page out of the small area

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plan and it talks about workforce housing, outdoor community space, transit mobility hub,

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connectivity, underground parking, art place making, community facilities, net zero development

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and transit oriented development. And it goes on to explain what those are and in the small area

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And these were the community benefits that made it worth extending some density or additional building height.

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That was sort of the now this was a policy document. It was never implemented into the land management code.

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And that effort is still in process, but we feel that the land management code as it sits today in this project.

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still work together because the land management code does provide some flexibility on looking at the building height in relation to some of those issues.

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So on the next slide.

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This is our site plan and for everyone that hasn't looked at it lately on the right hand side, the diagonal street there is current and the serving street at the bottom is Benanza and the vertical street on the left is Monchkin.

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And then on the east west it's a service drive that's actually a ramp down to the parking garage.

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We have 15 foot multi-use pathways that we've placed along along the current edge and along the banana edge.

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And then we've created one that's a goes through the site that goes from the

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the current entrance and then goes across the face of building one and then connects with

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much can. The other thing we did is we provided 24 feet of property back to the transportation

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project so that we could have a completely dedicated bus lane along both sides of the street

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without impacting Alberta's drive up and then the community benefits that you see here that are on

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previous list include underground parking, an amphitheater. I call it the Frisbee lawn,

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grassy play area, a wide gathering space, and multiple playgrounds, restaurants, and

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flex plaza, which is kind of a food truck plaza at the south end. And down at the intersection

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is a hard skate plaza we call the welcome plaza as in welcome to park city. So this building being

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next use is vertically stacked. That means on top of the retail spaces that we were just showing,

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we have affordable housing units and in the building up in upper left, which is on the west

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north south west edge, is a four-story building with three stories of affordable housing. The other

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buildings are all three story buildings with two stories of affordable housing on top of three

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tail spaces and service spaces. Next slide, those are all stacked like a sandwich on top of this

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parking garage. The shape of this parking garage exactly matches the outside edge of those

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buildings and the width of those first two parking rows are the width of a building and that allows

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us to take the structure all the way to the ground. So this development is kind of a

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it affects things on three stories or four stories.

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It's the next slide.

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our elevations here is this is a typical building is we had a ground floor that was this

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essentially retail edge that we had the breezeways cut through and then we tried to do some

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work at the base level and then do metal sighting above that and vary the colors and then do the 1212

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pitches to pick up on some historic Park City detail, but still do it in a modern fashion.

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And below you can see that the plan on the right of all the units stacks on the retail plan on

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the left with the breezeway through the middle. Next slide. So when you cut a cross section through that

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sandwich of different things that are going on vertically. It leads us to some height issues that

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push us into asking for the height exemption. And retail spaces, as you see on the bottom right are typically 12 feet.

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And you need three feet on top of that for both structure and interstitial spaces where all the mechanical gas.

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Some of the, a lot of the retail spaces will just leave the ceiling off and let it go on up to 14 feet.

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But part of that's driven by the building code and part of it's driven by.

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It's understood in the retail business that having daylight and taller spaces helps them with their sales.

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Then the next level, you see is the affordable housing, which are nine foot ceilings, and then a 1 foot 4 inch structure,

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and then a 5 foot 9 inch structure, and the reason that structure is so much larger is it's a roof dress, it's carrying 6 foot snow load, but also it's has to slope to drain.

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So, it can't be a flat structure. So, when you add all those up and then you add five feet on top of that for screening, we end up from a finished floor with a 46 foot 2 inch overall height from the finish floor up to the top of the mechanical screen.

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Now the LMC allows for a 35 foot height and then another five feet for a mechanical screen.

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So we're six feet, two inches over the 35 foot in the past.

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When we look at the finished floor to the top of the mechanical screen.

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But the issue is that we have on this side is it's a sloping site.

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We tried to make the center point of the building, which is where the

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breezeways are matched this finish floor.

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But one end of the building actually goes kind of lower than the existing site and the other

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edge side ends up in the air.

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And that variance gets us another two to five or six feet depending on where the building is and how long it is and how it's

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for approval on with the mechanical screen is 46 foot 2 inches. The other issues that we had

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on a flat roof.

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The other height areas that we have all come from the slope of the ground

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up against that finish floor. So we'll get through that in a little bit. Next slide.

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at the common area, if we were up above the veil site, looking back towards back to the

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north.

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Then this shows the transit lane and the breezeways and the articulated 12-12 pitches.

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One of the things that we tried to do with the pitches were the peak height of those

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roofs are intermittent and they're only one high roof in each building that high and the

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prevalent height is actually the parapet height. And you don't really even see the

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mechanical screen because it sits back 25 feet from that roof edge. Next slide.

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And then more in particular, this is the idea of how we try to make a very open with both

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the shops facing both directions in the breezeway. So one of the questions we were asked

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There we go, is we had this fun drawing that we called the gelomold, which sort of showed

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the developer height of the project if it was a 35 feet and if you look at the lower right

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diagram you can see how the tops of the buildings sort of stick up above the 35 feet but the

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bulk of the building is below the 35 feet and we asked to do some eye level views of the gelomold

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and it actually comes out pretty interesting because it really fits the intermittent peaks of these

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buildings. I really what you see extending above the 35 feet and we had probably four or five more

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of these that we put in our staff report, but I didn't want to go every picture we drew, but just

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kind of give you the feel. This is looking up an ant looking up an anza. So you get really can see on

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slide that the the taller roofs are very intermittent. Can we go back to the

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banana's side real quick? Thank you. You can see that they they show up

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every so often. It's not like the whole project is that tall. Next.

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thing we were asked to do is to come back with a flat roof design as an

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alternative to reduce that building height, which we did. And we brought two versions,

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in addition to the 1212 pitches. So that's the view with the 1212 pitches. That's buildings

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two and three, which are the buildings that face onto currents that are in the front-age protection

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zone. Next slide. There you can see if we reduce those high pitches to a 412 pitch. That's the

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height of our mechanical screen. But you can't see the mechanical screens because they're set back.

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And then this is what it would look like with a flat roof. The interesting thing about the

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facade variation is when we had the 12 12 pitch, the vertical height accounted for a portion

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of our facade variation. When we lower the roof to this pitch, we need to do we need to change

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the design to do a 15-foot offset cut back into the building or projected out of the building,

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which will change our unit count and cause some other things to happen. But it is doable.

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We think we'll lose about 20 bedrooms or our preliminary analysis. If we do that, not units,

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just bedrooms. So we'll end up a few less threes.

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with the flat roof or with the 412 pitch as well.

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With the flat or the 412, they don't comply.

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The 1212 complies with the side variation the other two do not.

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So we have a range of views here of the different buildings with the different heights.

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As from a design standpoint,

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we like the historical sort of feel of the 1212 pitch.

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and we do like the 412 because it sort of breaks up the roof line and visually, but we're

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we can go whatever direction the planning commission feels we need to go, but and then

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this is the solar analysis of how we affected Jason sites staff already talked about that so I'm

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are landscape plan and the breakdown of all the different materials. These are addressing the six

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criteria.

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I need to get the six criteria. So I remember what they are. Okay, these are the setbacks.

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What you see and white here around the front of these buildings, the dark color is the the

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legal setback or the LMC setback and then you can see all the buildings are well inside of that.

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next slide. Open space. There was some question about what is the definition of open space

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and in the LMC as it relates to.

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Through this open space requirement, it's not building footprints, and not service drives and not parking. So the other, all the other spaces are considered open space. Next time.

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And then this, this element asked if the project would provide some community amenities, which we talked about, so I'm not going to go through them again.

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And then this is where am I going to go.

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Okay. Okay. The parking on the site is all underground and you can see that we have reserved spaces for residents that are in green and the idea there is that their spaces are underneath their buildings and each of those buildings has an elevator and two stairs that go down to the garage.

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And then the shared spaces in the center would be the parking for the people that work there and the retail customers.

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One of the challenges on this site for the retail tenants is going to be that all of the other tenants around them.

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you can park in front of their front door like samis and over there in Park City Plaza. So it's going

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to be a bit of a challenge to get people to want to go under around a park and to want to pay

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to park. We will probably end up with some kind of program where you have a certain amount of

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free time before you get started the charged park. But getting people to come down to this garage

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instead of going someplace where they can just park in front of the front door is going to be a bit

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a challenge. So we want the parking to be generous and plentiful. We want the garage to be bright and white and white open and we have a minimum 10 foot ceiling in there. So you can pull in there with a rack over your four wheel drive car and not hit the ceiling. So next slide.

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So we want to talk a little bit about the context of the site, we're getting into some of the traffic and parking things is within a 10 minute walk in this site.

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You can access almost every service that you could want from a quick care to a grocery store.

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I think someone told me that there were 30 restaurants in that radius park city Plaza across the street is basically a food court, the whole complex.

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And then you can get downtown in a 15 minute walk or down to the park in a 15 minute walk.

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And it's all the way to the other end of old town in a 20 minute walk and of course faster on bikes and then next slide.

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There was a staff or a commission question on how the traffic worked in the neighborhood.

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And in this slide, you can see how

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Munchkin gets extended over to homestay.

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And what we want to, what we plan is that on the current

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front-age, there would only be one curb cut.

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It would be right in and right out that does two things.

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it keeps them from being left turn stacking in the middle of currents and it keeps

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there from being stacking waiting for someone to turn left when they exit the garage.

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When you come out of the, you can come out of the garage there and turn left and go

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south to Munchkin. At that point you can turn right or left and you can actually enter

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from the right of the left and then that Munchkin road, you can connect back to Benanson and

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to currents or you can take the munchkin extension and go to homestake. So it ends up being a pretty

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pretty good network of traffic where we're not trying to load up one accident or another.

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We expect that people as they get used to entering or exiting the garage. We'll go to the place

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that has the least amount of traffic and disruption which we expect would be the munchkin entrance.

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You can see in red there are the transit lane that we've provided.

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There's also a bus stop on currents.

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One of the questions that came up was,

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Is there a pull off on Benanza?

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And the answer is transit doesn't want to pull off on Benanza

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because since it's a dedicated transit lane,

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they'll actually stop in the transit lane.

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And then you can see this is the bike.

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active transportation. The trail system adjacent to this is staff showed on the slide is kind of broken up in certain places, but plans are in place to finish it, but on current where we have the multi-use pathway, it connects across the street to the Emporium.

423
00:50:18,430 --> 00:50:23,630
There are plans on in place to extend that multi-use pathway across the face of

424
00:50:24,310 --> 00:50:29,430
Emporium, and then there's going to be a multi-use pathway on the other side on the

425
00:50:29,430 --> 00:50:35,230
south side of Munchkin, which we can connect to through the crosswalk or in the,

426
00:50:35,230 --> 00:50:39,190
it'll be a pretty quiet street. You can actually probably cross the street there.

427
00:50:39,970 --> 00:50:43,810
And then the connections other than that up at,

428
00:50:43,810 --> 00:50:49,270
current across to prospector will be at the crosswalks.

429
00:50:52,220 --> 00:50:56,700
So, our parking demand study looked a little different than the cities.

430
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,500
We went with ITE parking demand and supplies.

431
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:07,920
And one of the issues that we had with the land management

432
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:14,060
code analysis of the parking is it didn't really reflect the additional

433
00:51:14,060 --> 00:51:20,120
parking that we think will be required by the all of the community benefits that we're providing,

434
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:26,480
which are for not for the residents, therefore the whole community. And if we're doing events and

435
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:32,180
concerts and those kind of things there, plus we've designed a project where we tried to maximize the

436
00:51:32,180 --> 00:51:43,680
amount of outdoor dining that you could get on the site. So our parking study came up with

437
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:50,780
larger number. And then the next slide. The analysis was done to look at the demand over

438
00:51:50,780 --> 00:51:56,240
the time of day. So, in the previous slide, you'll see we came up with a larger number like

439
00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:03,560
399, but then reduced it. And then the amount of parking were proposing to provide us below that.

440
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:17,670
So, I'm going to let this cut here. Can you talk about a little bit about the travel demand management

441
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:18,490
Plan, please.

442
00:52:29,460 --> 00:52:29,980
Scotty do close.

443
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:43,080
The hails engineering here. Yeah, so we're travel the management plan. Just kind of incorporated all of the plans that the development is incorporating into their site that it kind of touched on.

444
00:52:43,300 --> 00:52:57,840
So we have the transit lane with the stops at the site to increase transit ridership in availability, not only for residents on the site, but people trying to access any of the retail.

445
00:52:59,420 --> 00:53:12,000
For bicycles, there's a bike share program, so that'll help encourage more multimodal pedestrian access.

446
00:53:12,540 --> 00:53:18,440
There's also a significant number of bicycle parking on the site.

447
00:53:19,020 --> 00:53:22,620
It's about double what it's required by a park city code.

448
00:53:22,620 --> 00:53:31,480
So I'll also encourage bicycle transportation from the residents and from people needing temporary parking.

449
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:50,080
As was touched on, there's numerous existing multi-use paths that are nearby the site or planned directly adjacent to the site.

450
00:53:50,080 --> 00:54:05,020
With the breezeways of the buildings, it makes it easy for anyone on these paths to directly access the site without having to go around and walk out of the way.

451
00:54:06,620 --> 00:54:12,300
The retail and restaurant establishments are on the ground level, easy to access.

452
00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:19,020
They have street facing the sobs so they're easy to see from the street and attract people

453
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:28,720
There's an on-site child care so that would also reduce the amount of trips

454
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:34,760
for anyone that's accessing the site or for residents on the site that can utilize that

455
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:51,940
community and the parking on the site. As I also mentioned, there's a park garage with paid public parking for anyone trying to access the site.

456
00:54:52,320 --> 00:55:01,540
That would kind of discourage vehicle travel and encourage the park city's plan of multi-model and transit.

457
00:55:01,540 --> 00:55:07,520
to the site, and then the parking management plan to enforce those.

458
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:11,960
Yeah. Next slide.

459
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:21,960
So we spent a lot of time refining the transit lane layout.

460
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:28,320
That falls in the street with transportation last week or week for last.

461
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:38,100
And we really focused in on this bus stop in front of building sex, which will be 100 feet long.

462
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:45,820
And the reason it's 100 feet long, it's so that two buses can park into end and load there.

463
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:51,220
They think that at potentially they could max out at bus every four minutes.

464
00:55:51,900 --> 00:55:59,100
So one of the things that happens when you have a bus at going every four minutes is you can kind of get

465
00:55:59,100 --> 00:56:04,620
bunching where that means you get the bus is stacking up while they're waiting for one to load and other to leave.

466
00:56:05,340 --> 00:56:15,220
So we had a set aside an area there, a pull off that you see just to the right in front of building five that was a delivery zone and we knew that

467
00:56:15,220 --> 00:56:21,520
If we didn't provide that, we'd get Amazon trucks and the UPS trucks and the FedEx trucks

468
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:25,780
and those kind of deliveries would just try to stop in the middle of the transit lane.

469
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:31,760
So we tried to make a place for them to pull off. And the idea that we worked out with transportation

470
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:40,120
was that our transit was that that would be restricted from use during the transit's busiest time.

471
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:46,220
And transit could use that pull-off for a bus if they get a bunching situation where they could pull

472
00:56:46,220 --> 00:56:51,720
a bus over and wait for a couple bus a bus to leave. So that worked out pretty nice. And then

473
00:56:53,280 --> 00:57:01,000
at the, at the, at the, uh, turns into the site, the intersection there. We took 24 feet off the edge of the site.

474
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:06,880
So we could allow the same kind of dedicated transit lane on the other side of the street and you can see

475
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:14,720
mark there. And then on currents, there will be a bus stop, but it'll be an inline bus stop

476
00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:19,580
in the street and then we'll have a bus shelter and that kind of thing there. You'll see it,

477
00:57:19,580 --> 00:57:24,060
you see it marked there in the center of currents. So this is the final layout that we worked out

478
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:31,660
in a pretty deep, much, a lot of detail with transit and you can see what other streets section

479
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:41,600
next slide. And then there was a question on in our last meeting of how is garbage going to

480
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:49,380
our contrash. And the way it works is each of these buildings for the residents will have a

481
00:57:49,380 --> 00:57:55,440
trash shoot near the elevators and they go into a trash room that's in the drop into the garage.

482
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:25,320
The trash room will have bins on wheels, and the bins will be moved to trash collection area next to the entrance to the garage on the west edge there at the entrance on the west edge, and that's where the, and there's a, it's an enclosed space, and there's a garage door, and when the garbage comes to get picked up they'll move the bins out there and dump them and then,

483
00:58:25,320 --> 00:58:30,140
put them back in that and then they will be returned back to the trashrooms under the

484
00:58:30,140 --> 00:58:37,060
rooms. We put in a freight elevator and building five, the commercial spaces will collect

485
00:58:37,060 --> 00:58:42,040
their garbage inside their spaces, move them to the freight elevator and then transport them over

486
00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:48,240
to that same trashroom. We reviewed this with a republic in detail and worked through all the

487
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:53,640
details with them and they're getting back to us with the exact size that they think we should

488
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:59,320
for the trash room, right now it's close to the right side, it's been going to get a good number.

489
00:58:59,960 --> 00:59:07,640
And this scheme will also facilitate recycling in the process. So that's how garbage works.

490
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,580
Happy to answer any questions. Thank you.

491
00:59:14,420 --> 00:59:18,580
Thank you, guys. So Alex, do you guys want to jump

492
00:59:18,580 --> 00:59:20,820
back in now or

493
00:59:24,310 --> 00:59:29,290
we can do a public, we can come back to your raises questions and stuff. I think that's

494
00:59:29,290 --> 00:59:34,030
or any questions right now from the commission.

495
00:59:37,050 --> 00:59:39,490
Yeah, Matthew or Adam.

496
00:59:42,010 --> 00:59:43,310
No, nothing for me.

497
00:59:44,590 --> 00:59:45,450
Yeah, no questions here.

498
00:59:46,090 --> 00:59:46,370
Okay.

499
00:59:46,850 --> 00:59:47,470
Any of you guys?

500
00:59:48,870 --> 00:59:50,370
We'll get into more substantive,

501
00:59:50,850 --> 00:59:53,010
but if you guys have discussions for right now.

502
00:59:53,450 --> 00:59:53,690
Sure.

503
00:59:53,790 --> 00:59:56,550
I have the question regarding the roof pitch options.

504
00:59:57,370 --> 00:59:59,950
So, I do do that the fat buff.

505
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:12,660
Doesn't comply with the facade variation, but could you provide more detail about why the 412 pitch does not comply with the facade variation requirement.

506
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:28,340
The facade variation requirement requires 15 foot change in a building over 120 feet long a substantial change and that change can be both horizontal and vertical if it's at the same location.

507
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:35,180
So when we had the 12-12 pitch, we had a four-foot bump out there at that center.

508
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:40,500
Breezeway, pop out. So that was horizontal for four feet.

509
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:45,660
And then we had 12 feet tall on the 12-12 pitch.

510
01:00:45,860 --> 01:00:51,080
So the four in the 12, added up to 16, which put us over the 15-foot requirement.

511
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:59,860
And when we go to that 412 pitch, it only gets us another, I think, 2.5 feet above that

512
01:00:59,860 --> 01:01:05,400
parapet, that plus the bump out only adds up to 6.5 feet.

513
01:01:05,860 --> 01:01:10,760
That means we need to do some other kind of break in the facade.

514
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:19,000
We will probably have to do an inset, like a cut-in type balcony that goes back 15 feet on both sides

515
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:28,260
the building to achieve the facade variation requirement. We haven't, of course, had time to design

516
01:01:28,260 --> 01:01:31,340
that we were just able to do that.

517
01:01:33,620 --> 01:01:36,520
We can get there, but we think it will cause us to rearrange

518
01:01:36,520 --> 01:01:43,880
the insides of the building, so to speak, and lose some bedrooms to get that done. So that's

519
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:54,080
the back and forth with going to the lower pitch. Commissioner Tulson, the analysis that breaks

520
01:01:54,080 --> 01:02:01,990
it down with the different roof options is on page 31 of the staff report. Thank you.

521
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:10,990
Chair Van Dyne, I want to kind of dive into the parking a little bit. You want to reserve that for later.

522
01:02:11,350 --> 01:02:15,730
Yeah, yeah, let's just get clarifying questions out right now and we're making a jump in that everything.

523
01:02:15,730 --> 01:02:18,070
All right, I have a clarifying question,

524
01:02:18,690 --> 01:02:19,990
Commissioner, Frontero.

525
01:02:20,630 --> 01:02:25,230
Can I ask the applicant to please pull up the circulation plan?

526
01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:30,710
My clarifying question is, can you clarify the ingress and egress?

527
01:02:33,810 --> 01:02:37,970
I believe I understand where the three points are,

528
01:02:38,030 --> 01:02:41,710
but if you could clearly walk me through those three

529
01:02:41,710 --> 01:02:49,870
and what left-hand restrictions are just restate the left-hand restrictions you're proposing.

530
01:02:50,470 --> 01:02:51,030
Okay.

531
01:02:54,520 --> 01:02:55,980
On Curns,

532
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,660
is there a cursor? Kate is a possible to move a cursor or something?

533
01:03:03,740 --> 01:03:04,780
Yeah, we can

534
01:03:07,620 --> 01:03:10,320
let's start with Curns. Thank you.

535
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:17,180
There is one entrance to the path to the Furns and it's right where the cursor is bouncing around

536
01:03:17,180 --> 01:03:29,340
And that entrance puts you on a service road that actually is a ramp that drops down 18 feet to provide an entrance to the garage.

537
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:44,880
At that entrance, we have to do that to do a left turn in, left turn out, but we chose not to do that because of the stacking that happens,

538
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:53,020
currents, but also because if someone wants to turn left as they're exiting the garage, at that point,

539
01:03:53,980 --> 01:03:59,160
they're going to block the driveway and create a long queue back to the garage of people that want

540
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:05,560
to turn right. So it's much better for both the traffic on currents and coming out of the garage

541
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:12,960
to that have that be a right turn in and a right turn out. When you go over to the banana

542
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:21,560
edge there's one curb cut and that's the entrance to the garage there. This is a 300 or 200

543
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:26,920
and some space garage. It requires two entrances for life safety. We can't just have one entrance.

544
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:37,400
This entrance would be on the other side of the transit lane and a right turn in and right turn out

545
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:43,960
would also create, stop the idea of there being stacking in the middle of Benanza waiting to

546
01:04:43,960 --> 01:04:50,760
turn left to get into the project and interfering in dodging buses. The other thing that would

547
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:56,480
happen there is the same as Kurns is it would stop people from waiting at the top of the ramp

548
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:02,580
to turn left on to Benanza and then creating a huge cube behind them from people wanting to get

549
01:05:02,580 --> 01:05:09,840
the garage. So it's really best for the street and for the garage to have that be a right turn

550
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:18,560
right turn out right turn in right turn out. The entrance on Munchkin is also a ramp that goes down

551
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:27,000
to that same location. At that point you can do a left turn out a left turn in off Munchkin

552
01:05:27,000 --> 01:05:33,300
Because it's a slower street, it's not going to have as much traffic, and there's a longer

553
01:05:33,300 --> 01:05:37,380
queue space that goes back to the entrance to the garage.

554
01:05:38,060 --> 01:05:42,480
Once you get on to Munchkin, you have the choice of going out to Benanza.

555
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,920
You can go right or left on Benanza, or you can take the Munchkin a new Munchkin extension

556
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:54,460
and get out to Homestay, which provides you another route out to Currence and another route

557
01:05:54,460 --> 01:05:55,820
to Parket.

558
01:05:55,820 --> 01:06:02,440
So the whole operation there tends to work like a network and what we anticipate to have

559
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:08,520
then is that if you live there or you visit there often to shop, you will find the route

560
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:17,340
that works best for you and I expect that most people will want to go to the Munchkin

561
01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:20,920
entrance because there's just let me be less traffic.

562
01:06:22,330 --> 01:06:33,030
Okay, thanks for the clarification. So, so that the entrance, so there were two entrances to the parking garage, one on Monchkin and one on Bonanza.

563
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:39,390
Actually, there's three. So there's three actual ramps down into the into the parking right.

564
01:06:40,810 --> 01:06:41,970
Three ramps.

565
01:06:41,970 --> 01:06:42,550
Three ramps.

566
01:06:42,750 --> 01:06:44,050
Two entrances.

567
01:06:45,670 --> 01:06:50,170
Okay, I guess I'm confusing to make sure everybody in the audience is quiet.

568
01:06:50,170 --> 01:06:54,070
appreciate it. We it's really hard for us to hear when there's conversations or timing

569
01:06:54,070 --> 01:06:59,430
in from the audience. You guys will get to comments. You're welcome to raise those when it's time

570
01:06:59,430 --> 01:07:05,830
for public comment. Okay, so I think I understand the clarification when you say you're saying

571
01:07:05,830 --> 01:07:13,530
what there's three ramps, I think I was confusing that with entrances. So there's three ramps,

572
01:07:13,530 --> 01:07:19,890
two of the ramps are serving one entrance in Munchkin and they're outside. I see.

573
01:07:21,470 --> 01:07:29,730
And who who owns that that road is that part of the five-acre side or yeah it's part of the it's private it's it's private.

574
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:49,300
Part of this development. Yes, and it will be maintained as part of the common area maintenance on the project. And it will probably be heated to because it's of slope to keep it from icing up, but it'll, it's not going to be a city street.

575
01:07:49,300 --> 01:07:53,860
I see, so in your suggesting over time,

576
01:07:56,910 --> 01:08:17,650
locals, perhaps, who would part down there, they go down and they get their card, they will know if they need to go left on current, for example, they wouldn't exit on Benanza, that's correct, they would understand that they can't make that left,

577
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,620
they would, yeah, I see.

578
01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:31,200
So they would likely exit on the private road, take a right, and then attempt to take a left on currents.

579
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:31,920
Yes.

580
01:08:34,100 --> 01:08:39,880
And it sort of sets up a network of choices that would be different different times a day and

581
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:41,040
the destinations.

582
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:42,660
Okay, thanks for clarifying.

583
01:08:45,480 --> 01:08:47,760
All right. Any other commission questions for right now?

584
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:49,620
All right.

585
01:08:49,620 --> 01:08:57,520
So we will go ahead and jump into public comment. Again, reminder of from what we spoke up

586
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:06,680
before, three minutes. And we will take both comments in person and on Zoom. So anyone wishing

587
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:15,480
to speak on the five-acre site, please step forward in chambers. Feel free to, yep, just

588
01:09:15,480 --> 01:09:19,320
form a line and then we'll also take some comments as well.

589
01:09:23,140 --> 01:09:26,820
I know I was going to just grab a figure that out.

590
01:09:27,340 --> 01:09:28,280
Be is there.

591
01:09:28,380 --> 01:09:29,120
Be open some windows.

592
01:09:29,940 --> 01:09:30,500
Okay.

593
01:09:30,700 --> 01:09:31,800
Yeah, we are working on this.

594
01:09:31,980 --> 01:09:32,440
I'm sure thanks.

595
01:09:35,180 --> 01:09:35,680
Welcome.

596
01:09:36,460 --> 01:09:38,200
Thank you on Mary.

597
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:38,960
Oh, chefs.

598
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,080
He had my day for a six o.

599
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:46,720
We've been down this road before and the people spoke.

600
01:09:46,860 --> 01:09:59,640
And I'm referring to the north side of the public library, which is a park, which everybody in this town wanted, but the city wanted to fill it with edificis.

601
01:09:59,980 --> 01:10:03,220
It is a park that is used by everybody.

602
01:10:04,420 --> 01:10:15,220
So I'd like to remind you of what the people said years ago and how it has been a benefit to this city as a park.

603
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:20,700
I'd also like to remind you how expensive Park City is.

604
01:10:21,200 --> 01:10:23,680
Grossries are very expensive.

605
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:30,000
You can go out in the county and get much more for your money.

606
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:34,480
Gasoline is very expensive in Park City.

607
01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,000
You can go out into the county, not very far,

608
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,720
and get a much better price,

609
01:10:40,720 --> 01:10:48,860
plus they're building a Maverick gas station, restaurants in Park City are very expensive.

610
01:10:49,460 --> 01:10:53,340
You can go out and you can get a moderately priced meal.

611
01:10:53,920 --> 01:11:01,400
My point is, why are you putting people in an expensive environment when you can be seven

612
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:08,860
minutes by bus, maybe 10 minutes, and you have a great variety of everything that would

613
01:11:08,860 --> 01:11:18,840
would call more of a reasonably priced items. That includes retail also. The bus route has been

614
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:28,440
expanded to accommodate these housing facilities and being outside just outside and a short distance

615
01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:37,160
from town, people have a great, have great more benefits and more money to spend.

616
01:11:39,850 --> 01:11:40,370
I'd also

617
01:11:40,370 --> 01:11:47,230
like to remind you that in the winter, and I cross the Nansen Crerons frequently, we have a

618
01:11:47,230 --> 01:11:54,270
police car park. Maybe you don't realize that police cars parked there in the winter, all winter,

619
01:11:54,270 --> 01:12:03,270
And that is to manage traffic and accidents because this is a very, very busy intersection and you are in

620
01:12:03,270 --> 01:12:14,510
cumbering and exacerbating the problem at that light by this by this additional commercial and living.

621
01:12:15,330 --> 01:12:22,310
I'd also personally like to say I'd like to see panoramic views and not slivers of views.

622
01:12:23,350 --> 01:12:33,410
all these people pay their taxes. And for me and my family we paid for 50 years. We pay your salaries and the city council.

623
01:12:34,010 --> 01:12:37,310
And I'd like to know if you are listening to us.

624
01:12:39,570 --> 01:12:40,770
Thank you.

625
01:12:40,770 --> 01:12:41,770
Thank you for your comments.

626
01:12:42,310 --> 01:12:42,630
Sorry.

627
01:12:43,210 --> 01:12:49,530
You guys, there's no clapping. I'm very sorry. I know people want to support each other, but there is no clapping.

628
01:12:49,530 --> 01:12:52,910
There's no cheering. There are no comments. Please. Thank you.

629
01:12:53,530 --> 01:12:58,790
Hi, my name is Dick Rannis. I live in 84060. I'll give you three reasons to turn this project down.

630
01:12:59,850 --> 01:13:05,050
Number one is I believe there's another another historical precedent. He was only a few years ago

631
01:13:05,050 --> 01:13:11,030
that the Yaro was proposed to be redeveloped and I believe your predecessors on the planning commission

632
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:18,850
turned it down because they didn't grant the building height variance. That's one. Another one is

633
01:13:21,630 --> 01:13:35,530
In general, if there is a restriction and someone seeks a variance or an exception to it, there's got to be a really good reason, a physical impediment, a financial hardship, there could be others.

634
01:13:35,530 --> 01:13:52,310
But when you look at the reasons they want this building a high exception, they want it partly for cosmetic purposes, so they can pretend and put up a phony facade of old mining town stuff.

635
01:13:52,310 --> 01:14:08,650
They also want to do it, so they have higher interior ceilings, 12 feet, 9 feet, why, so they can make the apartments and the retail establishments look more attractive, they can charge more rent and make more money.

636
01:14:08,650 --> 01:14:18,390
And finally, I'd say the third reason would be the traffic flow pattern that he just described

637
01:14:18,390 --> 01:14:23,170
is horrible, getting into the facility with a right turn only.

638
01:14:23,450 --> 01:14:24,830
That would be pretty easy.

639
01:14:25,550 --> 01:14:31,170
But when it comes time to get out of that parking, and you can only turn right, you're

640
01:14:31,170 --> 01:14:36,150
going to be doing circles if you want to get back to park medows or back to prospector.

641
01:14:36,150 --> 01:14:41,770
It's ridiculous. That's going to make the traffic on those side roads and on currents even worse

642
01:14:43,410 --> 01:14:49,490
There's just so many reasons. This is a bad project. Many of them will come out tomorrow night

643
01:14:49,490 --> 01:14:54,770
But I think that's three reasons for the planning commission to turn it down. Thank you

644
01:14:55,550 --> 01:14:59,970
Thank you for your comments. Please I'm not going to say it again. There's no clapping or cheering

645
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,440
Thank you. Hi, Charlotte O'Connell, 8406O.

646
01:15:08,740 --> 01:15:11,420
I thought we were going to get more of a traffic analysis,

647
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:19,040
like how the intersections are affected, particularly, bananas and currents, how that's, you know,

648
01:15:19,180 --> 01:15:24,640
for everything that we can look at, it's going to go from, I think it was a C to an F. First, wait, first,

649
01:15:24,900 --> 01:15:29,300
I want to thank you guys and I want to thank you guys because I know you've done a ton of work to make

650
01:15:29,300 --> 01:15:34,180
this work and I know you were given marching orders by other people to get as much as you could.

651
01:15:34,460 --> 01:15:38,440
So I know you've done it's going to work and I do appreciate what you're trying to do.

652
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,540
That we have to put in a hundred and eight housing units. I don't understand that.

653
01:15:45,060 --> 01:15:52,100
But for me, the issue is transit. And so if we have just from two websites picked it up today,

654
01:15:53,120 --> 01:16:01,540
a department typically have seven transit a day and retail has 38. So I think we're going to

655
01:16:01,540 --> 01:16:05,820
have 24, I don't know if you're allowed to answer this question, it looks like four

656
01:16:05,820 --> 01:16:11,360
prevailing six buildings would be 24 retail spaces which would give us 912 movements a day

657
01:16:11,360 --> 01:16:19,260
for the retail and with 108 apartments that would be 756 movements a day for the living. So just

658
01:16:19,260 --> 01:16:29,320
How we're going to manage having 1,600 vehicles in motion in that area, that's one of my questions to address that.

659
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:43,780
And they keep mentioning it keeps being said that they're below the density by a large amount, but it looks like a really dense development to me.

660
01:16:43,780 --> 01:16:49,080
And I'm curious what development density is allowed.

661
01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:55,320
Could they have put a whole mother strip of apartments in between the two rows that we have on, you know,

662
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,660
Kerns and and bananas are right now.

663
01:16:57,700 --> 01:17:01,180
So I'm just curious what that density would be allowed to be.

664
01:17:02,820 --> 01:17:04,460
But thanks for your time.

665
01:17:04,820 --> 01:17:05,940
Thank you for your comments.

666
01:17:06,660 --> 01:17:08,460
And just so everybody knows there's no back and forth.

667
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:09,800
You guys can pose your questions.

668
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:18,960
We can either answer them in our comments or address them at another time, but there won't be any back and forth between the applicants or us and public comment. Thank you.

669
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:19,840
Deb staff.

670
01:17:20,180 --> 01:17:20,200
Shalt.

671
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:20,620
8.

672
01:17:20,760 --> 01:17:26,500
Part of these laws in land management codes are created to protect the citizens.

673
01:17:27,200 --> 01:17:35,720
Citizens expect our elected officials, our city staff, our planning commission, and our city's partnerships to comply with the codes.

674
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:40,760
When the city asks for exceptions to the land management code, the implicitly give permission

675
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:43,180
to future developers to do the same.

676
01:17:43,780 --> 01:17:48,640
This would make it more difficult for planning department and planning commission to enforce the code in the future.

677
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:56,800
When I was looking at the parking plan today, RD005, those numbers were different than we'll present it tonight.

678
01:17:57,580 --> 01:18:01,820
But in effect, I would recommend that you turn down the additional parking,

679
01:18:01,820 --> 01:18:14,860
especially due to the 163,000 dollar per spot over 25 years at arguably the worst intersection in town.

680
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,420
I urge you not to grant the CUP for additional parking.

681
01:18:19,680 --> 01:18:25,300
The post-podge project benefits the residents that will live there more than it does the rest of the city.

682
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:34,360
I would urge you to also make the project comply with the high restrictions to protect the

683
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,400
view quarter for all the citizens and our visitors.

684
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:39,600
Thank you.

685
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:40,800
Thank you for your comments.

686
01:18:41,340 --> 01:18:42,800
Sharon, do you have any hands on Zoom?

687
01:18:44,580 --> 01:18:46,060
There are not any hands currently, right?

688
01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:47,260
Thank you.

689
01:18:52,470 --> 01:18:54,530
Chelsea Strong 84060.

690
01:18:55,210 --> 01:18:55,730
Good evening.

691
01:18:56,430 --> 01:18:58,010
I'm not here with an opinion tonight.

692
01:18:58,270 --> 01:18:59,190
I'm here with facts.

693
01:18:59,190 --> 01:19:09,430
this is public land. The taxpayers bought it in 2017 for $19 million. Let's start with the height because the story here has two parts.

694
01:19:10,410 --> 01:19:21,930
The city's own code caps this site at 35 feet. That code was already changed once, raising the limit to 45 feet through an affordable housing density bonus.

695
01:19:21,930 --> 01:19:29,950
That's a 29% increase that was already changed once. And especially, specifically, to enable this deal.

696
01:19:30,530 --> 01:19:36,970
But the proposed plans show building one at what I believed before this was 53 feet and after tonight,

697
01:19:37,330 --> 01:19:45,190
I've learned 56 feet. That's 11 feet above even that raised limit to put that in real terms.

698
01:19:45,630 --> 01:19:51,450
That's roughly a five story building nearly double the height of a typical structure on Main Street.

699
01:19:51,930 --> 01:19:55,990
This code was rewritten once already for this project.

700
01:19:56,290 --> 01:19:59,330
Now the project is asking to exceed the rewrite.

701
01:20:00,010 --> 01:20:02,510
I'm a resident and a property owner in Park City.

702
01:20:02,830 --> 01:20:06,910
I also own and operate a large commercial multi-family portfolio.

703
01:20:07,750 --> 01:20:11,090
So I understand the townstake in this decision firsthand.

704
01:20:11,730 --> 01:20:15,150
And I understand how these deals get structured from the other side.

705
01:20:15,870 --> 01:20:18,350
This isn't a project built for financial gain,

706
01:20:18,670 --> 01:20:20,330
wrapped in a philanthropic pitch.

707
01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:24,110
It's the reverse of what most people in this room assume.

708
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:29,910
A development like this is not primarily built to solve a housing problem.

709
01:20:30,150 --> 01:20:36,230
It's built to be financially viable first for the developer and for the tax credit investors.

710
01:20:37,170 --> 01:20:42,190
And the housing benefit is what makes the financial structure possible, not the other way around.

711
01:20:42,650 --> 01:20:45,230
That's not cynicism. That's how this model works.

712
01:20:45,230 --> 01:20:55,870
Now, the financing, the state housing corporation is expected to contribute roughly 60 million in low income housing tax credit equity to this project.

713
01:20:56,450 --> 01:21:02,910
That's a tax credit investor buy, that a tax credit investor buys to offset their own liability.

714
01:21:03,650 --> 01:21:07,810
And the deeper the affordability commitment, the more valuable the credit.

715
01:21:07,810 --> 01:21:22,290
The truth. The incentive is instantly build affordable housing. It's build the exact thresholds that unlocks the maximum height, density and credit value. Those numbers move together by design.

716
01:21:23,470 --> 01:21:34,650
And for those in the room who aren't aware, these are low income housing tax credits, also known as light tech units are not restricted to summit county residents or even to Utah residents.

717
01:21:34,650 --> 01:21:37,770
federal law qualifies tenants by income,

718
01:21:38,050 --> 01:21:40,850
not by where they currently live or work.

719
01:21:41,330 --> 01:21:44,410
The local employment preference is legally allowed,

720
01:21:44,450 --> 01:21:46,270
but only if that's written explicitly

721
01:21:46,270 --> 01:21:48,810
into the property's tenant selection plan.

722
01:21:49,250 --> 01:21:50,270
It's not automatic.

723
01:21:51,070 --> 01:21:52,510
So if the argument for this project

724
01:21:52,510 --> 01:21:55,990
is that it lets the people who work here also live here,

725
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:58,130
does this deals tenant selection plan

726
01:21:58,130 --> 01:22:00,370
actually include a local employment preference?

727
01:22:01,130 --> 01:22:03,550
Or we building 166 units on public land

728
01:22:03,550 --> 01:22:07,650
at a height no other property owner in this town is allowed on ski to please wrap up your

729
01:22:07,650 --> 01:22:11,850
company. And calling it a workforce housing solution with no mechanism guaranteeing it.

730
01:22:12,110 --> 01:22:17,270
So my question tonight is simple. The city's own code capsus cited 35 feet. It was changed

731
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:23,750
once, raising it to 45 feet and now you're proposing 56 feet, which is why this project is being

732
01:22:23,750 --> 01:22:29,630
allowed to exceed a height that the city got to change specifically to accommodate it. What is the full

733
01:22:29,630 --> 01:22:29,970
financial

734
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:48,660
All structure and has it been made public and does the tenant selection plan guarantee these units go to people who work in this community. I'm not asking to reject affordable housing. I'm asking you to make the trade visible before you grant an exception. No one else in this town can access. Thank you for your comments.

735
01:23:01,490 --> 01:23:06,690
Patricia Kip, A4060, I live at 1, 2, 6, 4,

736
01:23:06,830 --> 01:23:09,610
Erie Drive, the drop sound, I'm the dear valley

737
01:23:09,610 --> 01:23:10,250
drive.

738
01:23:13,280 --> 01:23:17,500
I'd like my comments to make sure that they become a part

739
01:23:17,500 --> 01:23:18,780
of the public record.

740
01:23:20,940 --> 01:23:25,280
Park City has a top-notch hospital and emergency room.

741
01:23:26,680 --> 01:23:29,320
The city has a responsibility to make sure

742
01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:31,940
its citizens are able to travel to the hospital

743
01:23:31,940 --> 01:23:33,300
foreign and emergency.

744
01:23:36,180 --> 01:23:40,760
They're during the winter time between three and six, sometimes three

745
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:48,600
and seven. It is a parking lot from Deer Valley all the way up to the top of Marsak Avenue all

746
01:23:48,600 --> 01:24:03,840
the way down to Benanza and many times in the summertime as well. If you are trying to get to the

747
01:24:03,840 --> 01:24:08,040
of mine, survived in aortic dissection.

748
01:24:08,980 --> 01:24:10,480
And I'm going to use this, an example,

749
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:14,020
just to show you how good our medical care is,

750
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,720
but if you cannot get there, it does you know good.

751
01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,420
He was able to drive himself to the hospital

752
01:24:22,420 --> 01:24:28,080
because it happened on a Saturday in May at 1.30 in the afternoon.

753
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:32,280
Within 30 minutes, he was diagnosed with an ART dissection

754
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:36,920
and he was helicoptered down to St. Mark's hospital.

755
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,560
He had underwent an eight-hour surgery,

756
01:24:39,860 --> 01:24:43,280
and he is alive and healthy today.

757
01:24:45,470 --> 01:24:49,830
The chances of that happening anywhere in the United States

758
01:24:49,830 --> 01:24:51,330
is extremely low.

759
01:24:53,630 --> 01:24:57,610
I just want everybody to look right and look left

760
01:24:57,610 --> 01:25:01,670
and know that at most any time in your life,

761
01:25:01,750 --> 01:25:03,650
you're going to be dealing with an emergency.

762
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:10,890
And your adrenaline's going to kick in once you've made that decision that says I have got to get to the hospital.

763
01:25:11,710 --> 01:25:18,410
And you get in your car or you call the ambulance and you get down and you get stopped in traffic.

764
01:25:19,350 --> 01:25:20,730
And minutes matter,

765
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:33,460
it was a miracle that he survived, but it wasn't a miracle that he received excellent care from Park City Hospital.

766
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:37,480
And I don't want that to be forgotten in this discussion.

767
01:25:40,010 --> 01:25:47,290
The city just hired a new emergency director, and I met with Clinton, Johnson, and expressed my concerns.

768
01:25:48,690 --> 01:25:55,250
Every year, the police are sitting down there trying to direct traffic at those times.

769
01:25:55,850 --> 01:26:02,530
First on the list of goals should be to make sure that the city provides safe and quick passage to the hospital.

770
01:26:03,550 --> 01:26:07,670
And safe and quick passage for evacuation due to wildfire earthquake.

771
01:26:07,670 --> 01:26:09,470
I will get the insurance wrap up your comment.

772
01:26:09,690 --> 01:26:15,910
No matter what is proposed with the five acre city owned parcel, before anything else is done,

773
01:26:16,270 --> 01:26:20,150
Bananza Drive needs to be widened. Thank you.

774
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:20,750
Thank you.

775
01:26:23,430 --> 01:26:23,730
Hello.

776
01:26:24,270 --> 01:26:27,050
My name is Jack. I live in 84060.

777
01:26:27,790 --> 01:26:32,850
I like to first say that I'm strongly opposed to the development on Bananza Drive.

778
01:26:33,690 --> 01:26:39,250
As a city council, you have the power to block the new development because the new development requires changing the rules.

779
01:26:39,250 --> 01:26:44,830
therefore if you really wanted to, you wouldn't have to allow this construction to take place.

780
01:26:45,670 --> 01:26:49,970
I believe the building would put a strain on the water supply. The additional residents would

781
01:26:49,970 --> 01:26:56,030
create more traffic along Kerns Boulevard. Could raise cost for residents. Additional restaurants

782
01:26:56,030 --> 01:27:02,690
would drive customers away from small businesses that are currently operate here. More buildings in

783
01:27:02,690 --> 01:27:08,810
infrastructure would harm the small town feel. I often the building benefits the community and

784
01:27:08,810 --> 01:27:15,690
wood is a public park with trails and awesome trees. I currently run on the trails, farm trail,

785
01:27:15,850 --> 01:27:18,250
real trail, one thing I like about those trails that they're flat.

786
01:27:20,450 --> 01:27:22,470
The land currently on the space

787
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:27,910
is one of the few space in the center town that actually has flat trails. I'm sure residents

788
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:32,850
who have actually lived here would appreciate some more trails they could run, hike, walk their dog,

789
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:38,610
and since Park City Park lost space due to recent development in the city park with that center,

790
01:27:38,810 --> 01:27:41,850
I think of the beneficial for residents to give them more public spaces

791
01:27:41,850 --> 01:27:43,750
and help maintain our small town feel.

792
01:27:44,430 --> 01:27:47,230
It makes Utah and Park City different from other areas in the U.S.

793
01:27:47,230 --> 01:27:48,850
is the public land that we have.

794
01:27:50,290 --> 01:27:53,430
See the pictures on the wall, trails are what make Park City special.

795
01:27:54,070 --> 01:27:57,030
It would be great if we get have trails in the five acre lot.

796
01:27:57,290 --> 01:27:59,450
And finally, this is Park City, not a part of the city.

797
01:27:59,530 --> 01:28:00,330
Thank you.

798
01:28:01,290 --> 01:28:02,630
Thank you for your comments.

799
01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:05,850
Do we have anything online, Jeremy?

800
01:28:06,950 --> 01:28:10,630
Valerie Spung. Oh, once again, Karen, do you have any hands up online?

801
01:28:10,950 --> 01:28:14,590
They're not. Great. Thank you. Sorry, go ahead.

802
01:28:17,070 --> 01:28:18,770
Valerie Spung, 8406.

803
01:28:20,670 --> 01:28:24,890
Thank you for taking the time until this until all of us.

804
01:28:25,270 --> 01:28:29,650
I have some concerns and I want to share and encourage you to address.

805
01:28:30,230 --> 01:28:34,530
First density, this corner has been clogged up mass for years.

806
01:28:34,530 --> 01:28:40,610
A police car sits at the bottom of Benanza all winter to prevent gridlock from anxious drivers.

807
01:28:40,890 --> 01:28:42,890
I think everybody knows what I'm talking about.

808
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:50,290
I worked at the park record for 27 years and I was at the mercy of kind of drivers willing to let me in the middle way.

809
01:28:51,450 --> 01:28:56,230
So adding 280 more parking spots, food trucks, daycare, horses, buses.

810
01:28:56,710 --> 01:28:57,550
This is going to get worse.

811
01:28:57,550 --> 01:29:03,050
You, if you take a wrap of the, there's just going to be a policeman at a different corner,

812
01:29:04,610 --> 01:29:10,750
height. It's way too high. It blocks views for locals, but also for our tourists who unload

813
01:29:10,750 --> 01:29:16,610
their wallets when they come here. Brinture stated that they have to have nine foot ceilings,

814
01:29:16,670 --> 01:29:22,850
or the units won't be desirable enough to rent. My house has eight foot ceilings in park medows,

815
01:29:22,850 --> 01:29:27,330
and many other people sitting here, their hubs have eight-foot seat ceilings.

816
01:29:28,450 --> 01:29:35,110
Toxic dirt. We know it's there, but almost every development finds that there's more

817
01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:44,250
expense to removing the toxic dirt than they intended or expected. We know the maverick is an old gas station,

818
01:29:44,590 --> 01:29:49,850
since nearly all gas stations at age that that age have leaked. I'm guessing there's going to be

819
01:29:49,850 --> 01:29:55,310
more expensive issues on top of the mining issues in the soil. We won't know until they

820
01:29:55,310 --> 01:29:59,970
did. In the final note, the headscratcher to me is why are the...

821
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,580
Our double-tree project was shot down for the same heightal ounces as Brintra once. They wanted to rebuild

822
01:30:07,580 --> 01:30:15,480
the Tired Hotel, AdRestrance and businesses, all of which would pay taxes to us. They had a

823
01:30:15,480 --> 01:30:21,300
bike lane and breezeways and 58 affordable housing units, which we didn't have to pay for. We're

824
01:30:21,300 --> 01:30:26,760
going to have to pay for all of this. Now we're wrestling with something similar on this five

825
01:30:26,760 --> 01:30:33,160
and five acres isn't that big that was purchased for community art and culture a decade ago.

826
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:39,520
It's going to talk cost many millions of dollars and I don't see the return on investment.

827
01:30:41,850 --> 01:30:47,830
What the city and county build in this community should be built with integrity and something we can all be proud of.

828
01:30:48,190 --> 01:30:51,310
Please reconsider this project as it stands. Thank you.

829
01:30:52,450 --> 01:30:53,170
Thank you.

830
01:30:55,860 --> 01:31:01,580
My name is Owen McConnell and I'm representing eight four zero zero zero.

831
01:31:01,820 --> 01:31:06,960
I recently moved here from Texas because Park City offered open space and credible

832
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:12,160
mountain views in a quieter way of life. This massive apartment project

833
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:17,440
funds everything that makes this town special. It will block the views people came here for

834
01:31:17,440 --> 01:31:21,100
and increased traffic roads that are already overcrowded and even put more pressure on

835
01:31:21,100 --> 01:31:25,780
our schools and public services. Park City is one of the most expensive towns in the country

836
01:31:25,780 --> 01:31:30,940
Pretending oversized apartment complex is well suddenly solve affordability is ridiculous

837
01:31:30,940 --> 01:31:36,400
We need a responsible housing solutions, but they must fit in the town and product protect its character

838
01:31:36,400 --> 01:31:41,780
I didn't leave Texas just to watch Park City becoming a little become another overcrowded city full of massive buildings

839
01:31:41,780 --> 01:31:48,600
Once those views and open spaces are destroyed we can never get that view back. Thank you for your time. Did you make sure you sign in?

840
01:31:49,380 --> 01:31:51,220
Yeah, thank you.

841
01:32:01,750 --> 01:32:03,470
Andy Miller eight four oh six.

842
01:32:10,050 --> 01:32:10,570
Oh

843
01:32:10,570 --> 01:32:29,250
Good evening, commissioners and Park City neighbors, I happen to be married to a member of Park City Council, but I'm here tonight as a 15 year resident who cares deeply just like everybody here about the future of our town and I want to thank you for your stewardship of this project.

844
01:32:29,250 --> 01:32:36,150
your role is difficult. It requires looking past immediate voices and focusing on the

845
01:32:36,150 --> 01:32:42,690
community needs that will have 10, 20, 50 years from now. I support the mixed use development

846
01:32:42,690 --> 01:32:47,530
because it is a kind of forward-thinking sustainable planning that will keep Park City vibrant

847
01:32:47,530 --> 01:32:53,170
for generations. And while the seedlings presentation had me at Donut Shop, there's one other aspect

848
01:32:53,170 --> 01:32:58,950
of this I want to focus on for a moment that benefits our entire community. And that is the

849
01:32:58,950 --> 01:33:05,230
fill workforce housing like that proposed for the site as well as the now completely filled engine

850
01:33:05,230 --> 01:33:11,610
house workforce housing. This proposed location isn't just a site for housing, it represents a

851
01:33:11,610 --> 01:33:18,110
strategic answer to sprawl. By placing workforce housing centrally, we reduce the daily reliance

852
01:33:18,110 --> 01:33:24,510
on our 248 and 244 corridors. We aren't just building units, we're removing vehicle trips from

853
01:33:24,510 --> 01:33:31,010
roads every single morning and afternoon. This is the definition of smart fiscal responsibility,

854
01:33:31,870 --> 01:33:37,870
maximizing the utility of existing infrastructure rather than paving over open space elsewhere.

855
01:33:39,150 --> 01:33:43,830
Furthermore, deed restricted housing generates the year-round occupancy that provides steady,

856
01:33:44,010 --> 01:33:48,680
predictable foot traffic in places like Old Town at precisely the time when the community is

857
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:55,200
with how to bring vitality back to mainstream workforce housing just a small part of the overall

858
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:59,860
mixed use development creates essential opportunity in a climate where nearly half of

859
01:33:59,860 --> 01:34:06,600
park cities housing stock operates as short-term rentals artificially inflating costs based on

860
01:34:06,600 --> 01:34:13,720
visitor affordability rather than local wages. A wonderful previous park city leader famously

861
01:34:13,720 --> 01:34:19,200
reminded us that if you're lucky enough to live in proximity to that key enough and I feel that

862
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:24,900
gratitude about living in this place every day. But you are responsibility as well as councils,

863
01:34:25,480 --> 01:34:30,880
your charge, our responsibility is to ensure that the next generation has that same opportunity.

864
01:34:31,500 --> 01:34:37,100
By supporting this development, you are protecting the character of Park City. By ensuring it

865
01:34:37,100 --> 01:34:43,700
remains a place for families, workers and long-term residents to build a life. Thank you for

866
01:34:43,700 --> 01:34:48,220
your time, your wisdom, and your service tonight. Thank you for your comments.

867
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:56,380
Sharon, any hands online? There's a knock. Great. Thank you.

868
01:34:56,600 --> 01:35:01,480
I'm good evening. My name is Lauren Cole and I'm here on behalf of Blosset Advocates for

869
01:35:01,480 --> 01:35:07,040
Livable Communities or Walk. We are Utah's first statewide pro housing nonprofit. We work across

870
01:35:07,040 --> 01:35:12,740
the Blosset region including in Park City to advance policies and projects that will create

871
01:35:12,740 --> 01:35:17,180
more home choices of all sheep's and sizes that all of our neighbors can afford. Housing

872
01:35:17,180 --> 01:35:22,620
opportunity is community opportunity. When people can afford to live close to their jobs, schools,

873
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:28,180
and daily needs, everyone benefits. Employers keep their workforce, commute, shrink, and community

874
01:35:28,180 --> 01:35:34,100
state economically resilient. Walks submitted a letter of support for the Phi Baker site proposal

875
01:35:34,100 --> 01:35:39,160
and I'm here tonight to reiterate that support. This project will house the workforce that keeps

876
01:35:39,160 --> 01:35:45,040
community running. Beyond housing, the proposal brings a genuine neighborhood center with commercial,

877
01:35:45,300 --> 01:35:50,940
retail, and community serving space, a childcare facility and public gathering areas. We're glad

878
01:35:50,940 --> 01:35:56,680
to see this is seen ability commitments in this project. It has an all electric design compliance

879
01:35:56,680 --> 01:36:02,600
with 2026 enterprise green community standards, high efficiency heat pumps in an active investigation

880
01:36:02,600 --> 01:36:07,420
into geothermal for the site that's a really forward-looking approach to development.

881
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:12,180
On parking, we would encourage the commission to hold the line closer to what's required

882
01:36:12,180 --> 01:36:17,260
under the code. Access parking was the one area where this project didn't score as well in our own

883
01:36:17,260 --> 01:36:22,380
evaluation. It adds costs and works against the transit and walkability oriented goals this site

884
01:36:22,380 --> 01:36:27,040
is otherwise achieving. And on building height, we would ask the commission to weigh it in context.

885
01:36:27,480 --> 01:36:31,080
These buildings are set back from the road and the added height appears tied to preserving

886
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:37,080
open space and enabling affordability not to increase overall project intensity for the sake of

887
01:36:37,080 --> 01:36:41,560
doing so. We respectfully urge the commission to continue advance in this application. Thank you

888
01:36:41,560 --> 01:36:43,660
for your time. Thank you for your comments.

889
01:36:48,810 --> 01:36:51,970
All right. We have so the pink shirt in the back

890
01:36:53,090 --> 01:36:58,790
that's going to be the end of our public comments for this evening. There will be further chances to

891
01:36:58,790 --> 01:37:04,070
comment and we can always take written comments, but we'll end it there for this evening. We also now

892
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:05,370
have hands raised.

893
01:37:07,510 --> 01:37:08,390
All right.

894
01:37:08,570 --> 01:37:09,890
We'll take this, so then we'll take it online.

895
01:37:10,870 --> 01:37:12,030
Hi, thank you for your time.

896
01:37:12,130 --> 01:37:16,390
My name is Marjorie Ellis, and I live in 8406.0.

897
01:37:16,830 --> 01:37:19,130
As a homeowner and taxpayer and parkman is,

898
01:37:19,290 --> 01:37:21,530
I'm opposed to the current plan to pose to five acres.

899
01:37:22,110 --> 01:37:24,330
The height limit seems to be out of code

900
01:37:24,330 --> 01:37:25,790
and block our mountain views.

901
01:37:25,950 --> 01:37:28,350
As I understand, the previous double tree hotel

902
01:37:28,350 --> 01:37:29,970
was denied adding extra.

903
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:37,560
Aye, so why does this project get a several more feet over the current rule? Rules should be rules for everyone. It's not a

904
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:42,640
give use of tax money to give the developer $40 million, as well as our city paying to clean up

905
01:37:42,640 --> 01:37:49,500
the dirt and then leasing back to the developer at $1 per year for 100 years. Then why does the

906
01:37:49,500 --> 01:37:54,400
developer also get to collect the tax rent? This doesn't seem like a good deal to the payers and

907
01:37:54,400 --> 01:38:00,040
of it. The car in trash injection, congestion, would heighten the already overburden traffic

908
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:06,340
with around 280 extra car parking spots. If I as a resident and being encouraged to take public

909
01:38:06,340 --> 01:38:12,200
transit or ride my bike, why is this project proposing so much parking? From the grid it looks like

910
01:38:12,200 --> 01:38:19,780
it's being proposed to have 77 parking spots for a donut and coffee shop. Can the shop even fit 77

911
01:38:19,780 --> 01:38:25,940
people and look at the shops in the area. They don't seem to have that allocated. These residents

912
01:38:25,940 --> 01:38:31,340
and workers should be encouraged and mandated to use public transit or bike as well. I'm already

913
01:38:31,340 --> 01:38:36,500
afraid to bike in the area with the extra cars trying to turn and make the green light if there

914
01:38:36,500 --> 01:38:41,960
is even a green light that they can make. The citizens did not vote in this plan and most do not

915
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:47,300
want this corrupt plan. This project was proposed as a park and art center not a high-rise residential

916
01:38:47,300 --> 01:38:52,060
community. Once again, I thank you for your time, but I do not see the benefits to the local

917
01:38:52,060 --> 01:38:59,420
taxpayers. Please revise the plans. Thank you. I'll go ahead and take an online comment from

918
01:38:59,420 --> 01:39:00,160
soon.

919
01:39:02,670 --> 01:39:07,030
Kelly G, you have been promoted. Please accept promotion and unmute yourself.

920
01:39:07,270 --> 01:39:11,710
And then, Jared, we'll take the hands that are raised right now, but no additional ones. Okay.

921
01:39:11,950 --> 01:39:13,730
There's just one other one. Great. Thank you.

922
01:39:16,730 --> 01:39:20,330
Please unmute yourself, Kelly, and set your full name for the record.

923
01:39:21,050 --> 01:39:23,410
Hi, this is Kelly Gallagher. Can you hear me?

924
01:39:23,930 --> 01:39:28,110
We can. Thank you so much for taking online input tonight.

925
01:39:28,710 --> 01:39:29,830
I'm in 84098.

926
01:39:30,850 --> 01:39:36,050
And I would like to stick my support for the current development project for the five acre parcel.

927
01:39:36,770 --> 01:39:41,490
This plan, well, it's not perfect. It contains the elements that we're considered to be important by locals.

928
01:39:41,490 --> 01:39:47,070
through the many, many public input sessions, the City Council meetings and other means of input.

929
01:39:48,050 --> 01:39:53,350
My reason for supporting the project is that I, I've been a county resident since 1993.

930
01:39:54,370 --> 01:40:00,970
I'm also an artist of a small business owner, and I believe that a vibrant community needs the elements in this career project.

931
01:40:01,850 --> 01:40:07,830
I will be very excited to have the opportunity to participate in the activation of the community once it's built.

932
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:14,730
I've heard and understood the opinions that more, more park space would be valuable, which is why I joined tonight.

933
01:40:15,470 --> 01:40:17,770
I just disagree that that's the best use of this property.

934
01:40:18,350 --> 01:40:21,930
If I want to go to a park, library field and see park are both awesome.

935
01:40:22,450 --> 01:40:27,950
There's a fabulous park with children's play equipment on current at 248, just before we leave town.

936
01:40:28,250 --> 01:40:30,410
You know, rail trail, all that good stuff.

937
01:40:30,790 --> 01:40:32,770
And we have many, many options at Quinn's Junction.

938
01:40:32,770 --> 01:40:41,850
So, and then we need to keep in mind that this current plant also contains substantial park and open area for people to make use of.

939
01:40:42,210 --> 01:40:47,210
Park City and some at County have invested in trails, parks and other outdoor recreation through spirit decades.

940
01:40:48,230 --> 01:40:55,970
And I am a recipient of that and I just love it, but it's now time to focus on the other important facets of a vibrant community.

941
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:59,850
And I urge the Planning Commission to help this project move forward. Thank you.

942
01:41:00,670 --> 01:41:01,630
Thank you for your comments.

943
01:41:04,470 --> 01:41:10,010
Hi. Hi. My name is Jamie Rubin. I'm in 8406 out. I wasn't going to make any comments tonight,

944
01:41:10,170 --> 01:41:16,550
but my question wasn't answered. So I would really like to know how child care will be

945
01:41:16,550 --> 01:41:22,170
efficient and safe. When you drop off a child, you have a car that goes in and a car that goes out.

946
01:41:22,630 --> 01:41:26,790
They didn't discuss where the child drop off would be as you're going to be in the basement in the

947
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:32,630
parking lot where cars are driving all over the place will be on. Excuse me. Currents Boulevard will

948
01:41:32,630 --> 01:41:34,870
will be on Bananza, will it be in the bus lane?

949
01:41:35,530 --> 01:41:37,150
These are children we're talking about,

950
01:41:37,310 --> 01:41:39,470
and I just really feel that the whole project

951
01:41:39,470 --> 01:41:40,970
hasn't been thought out completely.

952
01:41:41,610 --> 01:41:44,350
There's a, I've done child drop off and pick up the four.

953
01:41:44,530 --> 01:41:49,250
It's a lot of cars in a very, very busy intersection.

954
01:41:49,690 --> 01:41:50,690
That's my one issue.

955
01:41:50,890 --> 01:41:53,010
And the other is, it's not guaranteed

956
01:41:53,630 --> 01:41:57,010
that Park City workers will be able to live there.

957
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:58,850
Thank you, and thank you for your time.

958
01:41:59,630 --> 01:42:00,650
Thank you for your comments.

959
01:42:01,570 --> 01:42:10,030
Hi. My name is Beti Wallace. I work in A4Z work. I live in A4Z or 60. Sorry. And I appreciate your time tonight.

960
01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:25,860
I first want to make sure we understand how many people here are really coming in to ask for this plan to be rejected at this point in time.

961
01:42:25,860 --> 01:42:32,980
So I'm going to turn around and just ask, sorry. That's not I'm sorry. That's not. We're going to do that. You can give your comments.

962
01:42:32,980 --> 01:42:34,200
That's what we're not taking.

963
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:36,920
I didn't know, but it's okay.

964
01:42:37,260 --> 01:42:37,460
Thank you.

965
01:42:37,740 --> 01:42:38,180
Yeah, no worries.

966
01:42:38,260 --> 01:42:39,960
Thanks for bringing up.

967
01:42:40,500 --> 01:42:42,940
So with that being said, I'm going to focus on height

968
01:42:42,940 --> 01:42:45,820
and I'm going to focus on traffic as we've heard before.

969
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:49,000
I worked with some film festival and sentence.

970
01:42:49,220 --> 01:42:51,500
Institute always part of the original plan

971
01:42:51,500 --> 01:42:54,680
when it was going to be more of a arts and culture

972
01:42:54,680 --> 01:42:56,640
district and so the percentage of the total

973
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:58,660
for that piece of property for art and culture

974
01:42:58,660 --> 01:43:01,040
was significantly more than it is now.

975
01:43:01,180 --> 01:43:02,580
Right now, if I look at 180,

976
01:43:02,580 --> 01:43:09,180
185,000 square feet available and being being the ground level density, and I look at the

977
01:43:09,180 --> 01:43:15,580
8,000 square feet assigned to art and culture. It's around 3%. So it's there, but it's definitely

978
01:43:15,580 --> 01:43:22,040
not at all the proponent of to why we approve this way back when. I think the second piece I want to

979
01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:25,660
bring up is when you look at traffic, there's so many different pieces of traffic that

980
01:43:26,200 --> 01:43:31,700
I'm sure you've thought about, but I don't think it was raised tonight, which is as people come in,

981
01:43:31,700 --> 01:43:35,920
There are two or three or four other curb cuts that affect Benanza.

982
01:43:36,280 --> 01:43:40,920
It is on the other side of the street. So it's the curb cuts affecting Elberto's

983
01:43:40,920 --> 01:43:44,500
Sami's trying to get in and out. That cross street that comes down

984
01:43:46,740 --> 01:43:53,620
prospector Avenue trying to come across the street. That will just get obviously more and more congested

985
01:43:53,620 --> 01:43:58,240
as we try to get through that whole area. And of course, some people know that I call it the

986
01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:03,280
And I think it's going to be a different word after we get through it all.

987
01:44:03,500 --> 01:44:11,300
The next piece is, as people come through going south on Benanza and we have that pull out,

988
01:44:11,300 --> 01:44:17,860
I guess you might want to call it, for the buses, is that where we will have trucks and delivery trucks,

989
01:44:18,480 --> 01:44:26,540
including FedEx, beverage trucks, food trucks to support the different restaurants if there's more than one.

990
01:44:26,540 --> 01:44:33,100
Where does that get taken in consideration, because that will just increase the traffic along that route?

991
01:44:34,340 --> 01:44:38,860
Again, thinking about what that first bullet point was on the screen, talking about no

992
01:44:38,860 --> 01:44:45,700
left-hand turns, open-hands or a current. I'm not sure if that really meant at the corner of

993
01:44:45,700 --> 01:44:56,520
Benanza and current, so you couldn't come down current, turn left onto Benanza, so you'd have to go down

994
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,980
around, so coming off of Benand at trying to turn left on current.

995
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:14,980
And what does that really mean? So that comment, I don't know if we solved or talked about one aspect of that, or you saying that all left hand concerns off affecting banana incurrence will be managed through this traffic. So we'd love to understand that.

996
01:45:15,180 --> 01:45:27,800
And then I'm going to go back to the open space, the open space as you put in underground parking, there's definitely needs for clean air and how does the clean air get down into the parking.

997
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:34,040
So in many instances, you see these big turbines or turbines that are going to share.

998
01:45:34,260 --> 01:45:38,600
Does that go through the park? And so that's going to pull apart a little bit of the

999
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:42,380
park aspect. So when we talk about, if you could please contact the comments up.

1000
01:45:42,540 --> 01:45:47,140
Yeah, 35 feet or 45 feet or 45 feet up to 55 feet, we already saw being denied before.

1001
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:49,880
So I'm not sure what is different about this space and how we're saying,

1002
01:45:50,100 --> 01:45:54,380
oh, we should be able to prove it. So I would love for you guys to think about that traffic.

1003
01:45:54,380 --> 01:45:59,520
And then really what's going to go into the open space or green space.

1004
01:45:59,820 --> 01:46:00,380
So thank you.

1005
01:46:01,200 --> 01:46:02,200
Thank you, fair comments.

1006
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:11,840
Don't start my time yet.

1007
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:19,430
A lot of new faces in this community.

1008
01:46:20,050 --> 01:46:21,490
And I happen to be one of the older ones.

1009
01:46:21,750 --> 01:46:22,530
I'm Jack Thomas.

1010
01:46:23,870 --> 01:46:27,830
I happen to have the same experience that you're all suffering through the night.

1011
01:46:27,830 --> 01:46:30,230
I was on the planning commission for eight years.

1012
01:46:30,770 --> 01:46:35,310
I remember some faces one face as I look into the monitor over there.

1013
01:46:35,310 --> 01:46:37,470
And thank you for your service.

1014
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:40,070
I know that Planet Commission is an

1015
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:42,890
arduous process, long evenings, long days,

1016
01:46:43,610 --> 01:46:45,630
sometimes projects go on for decades.

1017
01:46:46,310 --> 01:46:51,370
As in Treasure Hill, we looked at Treasure Hill for

1018
01:46:51,370 --> 01:46:53,350
the eight years I was on Planet Commission

1019
01:46:53,350 --> 01:46:55,110
and four years while I was mayor.

1020
01:46:55,370 --> 01:46:58,830
And I took a fat long to resolve it and deal with it.

1021
01:46:59,010 --> 01:47:02,930
So I think this endeavor you're looking at needs time.

1022
01:47:04,010 --> 01:47:07,350
I'm not excited about the mass form scale of the project.

1023
01:47:08,190 --> 01:47:11,710
I thought I'd mention a little bit about how the arts of culture came about,

1024
01:47:11,730 --> 01:47:15,390
because I was with another person when we came up with the concept.

1025
01:47:16,170 --> 01:47:17,250
And that was Bob Redford.

1026
01:47:17,990 --> 01:47:19,930
And he had a passion for small towns.

1027
01:47:20,130 --> 01:47:21,790
He had a passion for Park City.

1028
01:47:22,370 --> 01:47:26,470
He thought it could be more than just another resort town.

1029
01:47:27,030 --> 01:47:30,090
And I happened to agree with him.

1030
01:47:30,090 --> 01:47:40,690
While I was mayor, we had this amazing opportunity to see this land that we're talking about today as the arts culture district become available.

1031
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:52,830
And through the brilliance of some of the staff, including Mark Harrington and Nate Rockwood, we managed to create the 1% resort sales tax and apply the property.

1032
01:47:52,830 --> 01:47:58,930
But when we moved to the community and got our input to the community and from the community,

1033
01:47:59,930 --> 01:48:04,090
we emphasized the fact that it was an arts and culture district.

1034
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:06,510
I don't see that in the plan today.

1035
01:48:06,690 --> 01:48:09,330
I think you suffered a find it in this plan.

1036
01:48:09,490 --> 01:48:17,150
If it's that small building that sits inside the perimeter of building masses, that ain't it.

1037
01:48:17,510 --> 01:48:19,250
I mean, it's a pathetic plan.

1038
01:48:19,250 --> 01:48:24,650
And I think you should seriously consider walking away from it or reevaluating.

1039
01:48:25,150 --> 01:48:30,230
I think you should seriously consider looking at the original master plan development done by

1040
01:48:30,230 --> 01:48:30,950
Lake and Fleto.

1041
01:48:31,390 --> 01:48:33,070
I thought they did a great job.

1042
01:48:33,450 --> 01:48:35,450
They respected the gateway to the community.

1043
01:48:35,710 --> 01:48:40,250
The impact it would have aesthetically and visually on people coming into town.

1044
01:48:40,570 --> 01:48:42,310
And this does not do that.

1045
01:48:42,310 --> 01:48:58,310
What we see from a perspective is walls of buildings on Bananza and Curns and I think it's it's a overall warming scale and has none of the character none of the amenities none of the purpose that I think we started with.

1046
01:48:59,250 --> 01:49:04,650
It's an opportunity to do something on the most important land we have in this community.

1047
01:49:05,370 --> 01:49:09,050
And so let's get it right even if it takes stepping back

1048
01:49:09,050 --> 01:49:13,650
on evaluating the mass in the scale and taking another look at those original plans.

1049
01:49:14,470 --> 01:49:17,330
Other than that, thank you for your time.

1050
01:49:18,450 --> 01:49:22,930
I've offered up my input periodically over the last eight years.

1051
01:49:23,570 --> 01:49:26,670
I've welcomed people to come and see our town in Bentonville

1052
01:49:26,670 --> 01:49:28,650
and see the difference it's made.

1053
01:49:28,850 --> 01:49:31,070
It's all of the things that I wanted Park City to be.

1054
01:49:31,070 --> 01:49:39,270
So I know it's physically possible, I know we can do that with the right effort and so I got the ding-dong

1055
01:49:40,630 --> 01:49:47,370
Which I don't think I ever applied the ding-dong when I was mayor, but I'll move on and leave time for someone else

1056
01:49:47,370 --> 01:49:48,270
So thank you.

1057
01:49:48,270 --> 01:49:49,270
Thank you for your comments.

1058
01:49:49,650 --> 01:49:51,110
Please don't apply it or cheer.

1059
01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:57,110
Sharon, do we have more comments online?

1060
01:49:58,030 --> 01:49:58,490
Yes.

1061
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:03,700
Do you want me to promote?

1062
01:50:03,700 --> 01:50:10,220
Yeah. Go ahead. And Kaiser, you have been promoted. Please accept the promotion.

1063
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,740
Please unmute yourself and state your full name for the record.

1064
01:50:28,030 --> 01:50:29,410
You are currently still muted.

1065
01:50:38,590 --> 01:50:48,890
No, look. No. Okay. We'll stick in chambers. Go ahead. Yes. Yeah. Good evening, commissioners and staff. Hello. Oh, sorry.

1066
01:50:50,430 --> 01:50:56,350
We'll jump back to you in just a second online hold on. Go ahead and chambers.

1067
01:50:57,070 --> 01:51:05,870
Okay. I'm Rich Wyman and I live in 8406. I am the performing artist and I've been a

1068
01:51:05,870 --> 01:51:12,490
Park City resident for 35 years and I'm not in favor of this project as a currently stance. It

1069
01:51:12,490 --> 01:51:15,930
is too big, too dense, too tall and importantly, I believe

1070
01:51:15,930 --> 01:51:18,690
it lacks the creativity and imagination

1071
01:51:18,690 --> 01:51:21,470
that this extraordinary piece of publicly owned land

1072
01:51:21,470 --> 01:51:21,790
deserves.

1073
01:51:21,970 --> 01:51:25,530
And I ask you to take the time to redesign it.

1074
01:51:25,730 --> 01:51:28,250
I also believe we should return to the reason Park City

1075
01:51:28,250 --> 01:51:31,610
bought these 5.25 acres in the first place.

1076
01:51:31,770 --> 01:51:35,850
In 2017, the city's own announcement was titled,

1077
01:51:36,510 --> 01:51:40,310
Park City secures 5.25 acres to create city's first dedicated

1078
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:47,150
arts and culture district. That's what I support, an arts and culture district, heavy on the arts.

1079
01:51:48,830 --> 01:51:53,970
The Planning Commission, you, have an important opportunity right now. The City Council vote

1080
01:51:53,970 --> 01:51:59,630
to move this proposal forward was forward a one. Council member Tannitoli voted no.

1081
01:52:00,490 --> 01:52:06,290
Calling for less housing in the larger arts community. Council member Diego Sagarra voted yes,

1082
01:52:06,290 --> 01:52:11,810
specifically asked for greater consideration of the arts as the project moves forward.

1083
01:52:12,570 --> 01:52:16,150
So this is exactly the time to make meaningful changes.

1084
01:52:17,850 --> 01:52:23,890
If you look at Breckenridge, another historic mountain town, they created an arts culture district,

1085
01:52:24,430 --> 01:52:29,970
with working studios, workshops, performance spaces, public art, artist residences and communities.

1086
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:35,200
Egladuring's per places. If you look at Bentonville, Arkansas, we're an old factory was transformed

1087
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:41,700
into a vibrant center for visual and performing arts, music, festivals and public gathering places.

1088
01:52:42,460 --> 01:52:49,820
We can do that here, and we can do it better. Imagine these 5.25 acres with fewer and smaller buildings.

1089
01:52:50,480 --> 01:52:56,260
Beautiful public spaces, affordable artists, studios, rehearsal rooms, classrooms, recording spaces,

1090
01:52:56,260 --> 01:53:01,680
and indoor and outdoor performance spaces, and especially places for our young people.

1091
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:05,260
Young people in Park City need somewhere.

1092
01:53:05,700 --> 01:53:10,720
They can study, practice, create, and actually do their art, whatever inspires them.

1093
01:53:11,180 --> 01:53:12,820
Park City needs to provide that now.

1094
01:53:13,260 --> 01:53:17,300
With Sundance leaving and the Kimball Arts Center relocating to Kimball Junction,

1095
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:22,440
a permanent home for all of the arts is more important now than ever.

1096
01:53:23,800 --> 01:53:25,600
I also want to be clear about affordable housing.

1097
01:53:25,600 --> 01:53:31,260
A strongly support affordable workforce housing, my objection is not to affordable housing.

1098
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:39,200
My objection is to this design, this density, and putting this much housing on this particular 5.25 acres.

1099
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,720
We need affordable housing, and we need arts and culture.

1100
01:53:43,280 --> 01:53:49,260
And we can address our housing needs without sacrificing the extraordinary opportunity for arts and culture.

1101
01:53:49,260 --> 01:53:55,440
This is publicly on land, we do not have to maximize every square foot.

1102
01:53:56,760 --> 01:53:59,140
We have the opportunity to create something extraordinary.

1103
01:53:59,820 --> 01:54:02,740
So please reconsider and redesign.

1104
01:54:03,480 --> 01:54:07,840
Less density, fewer buildings, lower buildings, more open space, more creativity.

1105
01:54:08,580 --> 01:54:12,280
More imagination, and most importantly, much, much, much more art.

1106
01:54:12,360 --> 01:54:16,440
Park City bought this land to create its first dedicated arts and culture district.

1107
01:54:16,440 --> 01:54:20,520
We have the opportunity to fulfill that vision, please don't let it get away.

1108
01:54:21,340 --> 01:54:21,720
Thank you.

1109
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:22,900
Thank you for your comments.

1110
01:54:24,180 --> 01:54:25,140
Well, hot online.

1111
01:54:27,140 --> 01:54:27,380
Yeah.

1112
01:54:28,160 --> 01:54:28,240
Yeah.

1113
01:54:28,540 --> 01:54:28,960
Go ahead.

1114
01:54:30,180 --> 01:54:30,360
Hi.

1115
01:54:30,660 --> 01:54:31,800
This is Donald Kaiser.

1116
01:54:32,760 --> 01:54:34,820
Eight, eight, four, six, oh.

1117
01:54:35,280 --> 01:54:36,240
Just quick comment.

1118
01:54:37,240 --> 01:54:38,540
Thank you to the committee.

1119
01:54:38,900 --> 01:54:41,800
I recognize that no good D goes unpunished.

1120
01:54:42,940 --> 01:54:45,480
But I'd like to discuss across the street.

1121
01:54:45,480 --> 01:54:53,520
From Alberto Sassamis, you've got multiple existing commercial enterprises and commercial properties.

1122
01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:59,780
The development will negatively impact these interests in important ways.

1123
01:55:00,500 --> 01:55:02,480
Number one, their longtime taxpayers.

1124
01:55:03,460 --> 01:55:09,600
This will create competition and negatively affect the fact that cannibalized tax revenues.

1125
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:17,500
Number two, parking spaces will be poached by new residents and commercial customers of the new development.

1126
01:55:18,460 --> 01:55:24,620
Even if the underground parking were entirely free, this will still happen. Humans are lazy.

1127
01:55:25,940 --> 01:55:28,720
This will also hurt the patrons of these businesses.

1128
01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:34,980
Making an experience they will have become inclined to go elsewhere.

1129
01:55:36,660 --> 01:55:38,680
So, that's it. Thank you very much.

1130
01:55:39,780 --> 01:55:40,600
Thank you for your comments.

1131
01:55:43,200 --> 01:55:43,680
Good evening.

1132
01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:45,600
My name is Jocelyn Skutter.

1133
01:55:45,740 --> 01:55:47,980
I am the Executive Director of the Arts Council

1134
01:55:47,980 --> 01:55:49,380
for Park City and Summit County,

1135
01:55:49,860 --> 01:55:52,900
and I'm also a resident of 860 living in Old Town.

1136
01:55:53,360 --> 01:55:55,880
And I'm here tonight to express my support

1137
01:55:56,540 --> 01:55:58,700
for developing the five acre bins of parcel

1138
01:55:58,700 --> 01:56:00,860
as a mixed youth community development.

1139
01:56:01,900 --> 01:56:05,380
And I'm so glad I've already had some arts advocates come up in front of me

1140
01:56:05,380 --> 01:56:06,600
So I don't want to be too redundant.

1141
01:56:06,860 --> 01:56:09,220
I know we're here for a long time.

1142
01:56:09,340 --> 01:56:11,100
Us, our people have been here since 2017,

1143
01:56:11,420 --> 01:56:13,340
talking about a potential arts and culture district.

1144
01:56:14,160 --> 01:56:16,120
So this has been a long road.

1145
01:56:17,260 --> 01:56:20,860
And I want to, I understand that there's also some opposition,

1146
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:23,500
people wanting a park in this area.

1147
01:56:24,660 --> 01:56:26,240
And I understand that.

1148
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:28,660
We all live love our natural environment here.

1149
01:56:28,660 --> 01:56:30,380
But I also think it's important to ground us.

1150
01:56:30,440 --> 01:56:33,000
And so glad Jack Thomas was up here to talk about how

1151
01:56:33,000 --> 01:56:39,720
came to be, you know, when the city bought the parcel in 2017, the utilized the TRT tax,

1152
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:45,080
the transit room tax, the hotel tax, so it's taxing visitors to create this amazing opportunity.

1153
01:56:46,340 --> 01:56:51,260
And so I think it's important to remember that I believe that this should be built, and there

1154
01:56:51,260 --> 01:56:55,660
should be brick and mortar, and it should be a community asset in that way to also support the

1155
01:56:55,660 --> 01:57:02,900
hoteliers that are supporting this investment. And so I just, I wanted to make sure that we

1156
01:57:02,900 --> 01:57:09,340
remember the true funding mechanism of this project, you know, I think it felt so important to

1157
01:57:09,340 --> 01:57:14,780
have ground ourselves. I don't think this is a discussion of development versus open space

1158
01:57:14,780 --> 01:57:19,860
necessarily. I think it's it's truly about community benefit, right? What what is going to be

1159
01:57:19,860 --> 01:57:25,980
additive to our community? What are we, what are we lacking? And what are the needs? And I believe

1160
01:57:25,980 --> 01:57:31,920
affordability and arts and culture spaces are two of really critical needs in this community.

1161
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:36,580
we just approved in January, and that's in culture master plan with Park City Council,

1162
01:57:36,880 --> 01:57:43,760
we're so excited to implement that. There are elements of this plan that help, you know,

1163
01:57:43,760 --> 01:57:49,080
that have arts and culture spaces to be transparent. The arts council, we have talked to

1164
01:57:49,080 --> 01:57:53,860
Brindron, GTS about potentially being a tenant there, bringing great PC programming there,

1165
01:57:54,140 --> 01:57:59,720
housing over 100 artists, local artists to sell their work and to creatively activate the space.

1166
01:58:00,440 --> 01:58:13,640
But, you know, I believe that since, you know, housing affordability and arts and culture are big needs, I think that there is opportunity for this parcel to meaningfully address both of those.

1167
01:58:14,900 --> 01:58:19,800
So, I think I'm totally going off script here because so much was set ahead of me.

1168
01:58:20,260 --> 01:58:23,780
But again, I just, I want to frame this an opportunity community benefit.

1169
01:58:23,780 --> 01:58:27,860
What are we lacking in this community? And I think this is an amazing opportunity to

1170
01:58:28,740 --> 01:58:32,100
To build something wonderful. So thank you. Thank you for your comments

1171
01:58:36,740 --> 01:58:42,060
So if there's anyone hopping in line at this point, we're gonna cut off the line for comment

1172
01:58:42,060 --> 01:58:47,860
Just I don't know if there's anyone jumping in behind, but I can't see but we're gonna stop

1173
01:58:47,860 --> 01:58:52,480
People will have plenty more not plenty. We'll have more chances and you can always submit online comment

1174
01:58:54,900 --> 01:59:02,340
Good evening, Jason Glidden, 84098, but Executive Director of Mountlands Community Housing Trust.

1175
01:59:03,320 --> 01:59:06,740
And I had several pages to talk about affordable housing and the importance of it.

1176
01:59:06,740 --> 01:59:07,620
But I don't really need to.

1177
01:59:07,660 --> 01:59:10,760
I think it's been done already tonight and it did a really great job of doing that.

1178
01:59:11,180 --> 01:59:14,960
So I'll actually do what the chair asked was, let's keep it a way of management code.

1179
01:59:15,820 --> 01:59:18,120
And so I am here to support the project.

1180
01:59:18,120 --> 01:59:20,520
I think that the applicant has done a great job

1181
01:59:20,520 --> 01:59:23,140
of continuing to refine the project

1182
01:59:23,740 --> 01:59:27,260
at the request of the planning commissioners here.

1183
01:59:27,880 --> 01:59:31,080
A few things that, you know, I have to applaud them

1184
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:33,020
and continue to meet or exceed, you know,

1185
01:59:33,080 --> 01:59:34,560
affordable housing, the open space.

1186
01:59:35,000 --> 01:59:37,940
Little work on the parking, but I think other things

1187
01:59:37,940 --> 01:59:40,020
that we may want to just look at, you know, the height.

1188
01:59:41,340 --> 01:59:42,580
I know that's a big issue,

1189
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:45,200
and I think that we can continue to talk about it

1190
01:59:45,200 --> 01:59:46,820
and they can continue to bring options

1191
01:59:46,820 --> 01:59:52,320
like they've brought tonight. We'll find a solution that we can meet and hopefully continue

1192
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:58,540
to move this project forward. We're guarding traffic in the circulation. I don't know if

1193
01:59:58,540 --> 01:59:59,880
it would work or not, but I'd like to try and push.

1194
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,960
Or of the entrance towards the munchkin and not allowing an off-of-currents or a bananza. And then having those be more just exit only, might help with some of that circulation as well.

1195
02:00:11,580 --> 02:00:19,400
So, but again, I just want to speak and support this project. I want to have the community to keep talking about this.

1196
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:27,680
We're allowed, you know, as the applicants allowed to ask for exceptions. And in fact, you're discretion to whether or not these exceptions get allowed or not.

1197
02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:31,740
And a lot of that is judged on the benefit of the risk

1198
02:00:31,740 --> 02:00:33,580
received through these exceptions.

1199
02:00:34,380 --> 02:00:36,060
And when you talk about affordable housing,

1200
02:00:36,160 --> 02:00:38,220
arts and culture, you talk about daycare,

1201
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:40,500
you're talking about all the things that are so high up

1202
02:00:40,500 --> 02:00:42,300
on our list of things that need to be addressed here

1203
02:00:42,300 --> 02:00:43,100
in Park City.

1204
02:00:45,020 --> 02:00:46,040
You know, we talked about, you know,

1205
02:00:46,240 --> 02:00:48,340
we're talked about young people coming to enjoy it.

1206
02:00:48,340 --> 02:00:49,640
You're not going to have young people.

1207
02:00:49,800 --> 02:00:52,200
We do not start to create more affordable housing

1208
02:00:52,200 --> 02:00:53,680
in this community, okay?

1209
02:00:54,240 --> 02:00:56,040
The healthcare, we talked about the great healthcare.

1210
02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:59,720
you're not going to continue to have great health care unless you have affordable housing

1211
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:04,320
and workforce housing to support those people that work there and take care of it every

1212
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:07,980
single day. So thank you so much for your comments. Allow me to tell you.

1213
02:01:08,180 --> 02:01:09,120
Thanks for your comments.

1214
02:01:15,870 --> 02:01:20,670
My name is Kendall Kelly. I work in April, 6 o'clock. I'm actually just

1215
02:01:20,670 --> 02:01:24,810
going to say my public comment is that I am in support of this project. I'm actually going to say

1216
02:01:24,810 --> 02:01:29,350
no more and submit my comment online because of the additional people that join the line behind me.

1217
02:01:29,350 --> 02:01:31,470
And so that is all I have to say.

1218
02:01:31,670 --> 02:01:32,390
Thank you so much.

1219
02:01:32,550 --> 02:01:33,310
Thank you for coming.

1220
02:01:33,510 --> 02:01:34,990
It's the look forward to seeing them.

1221
02:01:41,080 --> 02:01:46,380
I'm Wendy Petersen and I'm at 8406 so and I wasn't going to speak either.

1222
02:01:47,540 --> 02:01:50,700
Because I was hoping to like it all but I don't.

1223
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:56,880
I live in the area and I've been in Park City for 38 years and I've dealt with all kinds

1224
02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:02,960
of traffic on Bananza through that time frame coming down Dear Valley Drive connecting to Bananza

1225
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:07,100
to get to the high school for the kids and the other schools and to get to the mark to play tennis

1226
02:02:07,500 --> 02:02:13,040
and to go to some dance movies and all that. And I've had to talk about it.

1227
02:02:13,060 --> 02:02:17,640
If you could hold on one second, excuse me guys, sorry. I know that it's really hard for us to hear.

1228
02:02:18,240 --> 02:02:24,100
So if you keep conversations in the audience down or out, yeah, or let them know as I,

1229
02:02:24,100 --> 02:02:28,260
I'm not trying to be mean if you're sitting up here, it all comes back at us and it's super hard to hear.

1230
02:02:28,260 --> 02:02:53,140
Okay, sorry about that. I'm just kind of horrified when I saw the little driveways coming out of the lower garages on this this project and going right and left and thinking about how they're going to take a right, but they need to go left and they're going to go around some other neighborhood or around some other thing or going to the car wash and come back out of the car wash.

1231
02:02:53,140 --> 02:02:59,620
like they could get on 40 and go to heaver. I mean, I'm sorry, it's a disaster. I'm

1232
02:02:59,620 --> 02:03:06,980
bananza as it is now. We have, there's a lot of people that come into town to work on construction

1233
02:03:06,980 --> 02:03:15,820
and homes and thank goodness for all that, but it is hard. I mean, I plan my day around traffic and

1234
02:03:15,820 --> 02:03:22,780
I left Chicago 38 years ago to not have that. And I can't imagine 200 and 8 cars.

1235
02:03:23,140 --> 02:03:25,180
coming in and out of those driveways.

1236
02:03:25,520 --> 02:03:30,060
I mean, honestly, when Sundance had a night movie on a Friday night,

1237
02:03:30,220 --> 02:03:32,920
you should have seen me trying to get somewhere.

1238
02:03:33,160 --> 02:03:35,940
I was on every road behind Albert Sons view.

1239
02:03:36,100 --> 02:03:39,700
I'm right-aid going this and that to the Park City Mount Resort

1240
02:03:39,700 --> 02:03:41,620
to get back out a different way.

1241
02:03:41,740 --> 02:03:43,060
I don't want to live like that.

1242
02:03:43,060 --> 02:03:44,040
I'm getting old now.

1243
02:03:44,040 --> 02:03:45,420
I want it to be easier.

1244
02:03:46,220 --> 02:03:46,760
So I'm sorry.

1245
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:48,240
I know it's not all about me.

1246
02:03:48,700 --> 02:03:49,180
I am.

1247
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:53,120
I also agree with those that say this is supposed to be an art center

1248
02:03:53,120 --> 02:03:59,940
in our district culture. I've been looking forward to that for 10 years. I really have. I thought this would be great.

1249
02:04:00,360 --> 02:04:05,940
I always volunteered for Sundance. I volunteered for Kimball Arts Center. I thought I could really be a part of it now.

1250
02:04:06,060 --> 02:04:13,140
It's even closer to where I live. And that's not happening. I am four affordable housing big time truly.

1251
02:04:13,740 --> 02:04:18,040
I like what's been done over there. The fire engine or engine departments.

1252
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:25,560
And I think there's places for and there's even places for them in this development just not to the extent they are.

1253
02:04:25,700 --> 02:04:27,240
I don't agree with the height.

1254
02:04:28,540 --> 02:04:33,440
You know, and also somebody, one person mentioned, there should be something in there for kids.

1255
02:04:33,740 --> 02:04:36,480
You know, kids get out of school, they're middle school kids.

1256
02:04:36,680 --> 02:04:38,480
They don't have a lot of places to go.

1257
02:04:39,060 --> 02:04:41,420
And so it doesn't have to be a giant park.

1258
02:04:41,740 --> 02:04:42,980
I like the open space idea.

1259
02:04:42,980 --> 02:04:47,040
I like arts and culture and a little less height,

1260
02:04:47,080 --> 02:04:52,260
and I really appreciate you all for listening to me.

1261
02:04:52,300 --> 02:04:53,280
Thank you for your comments.

1262
02:05:07,140 --> 02:05:07,960
Well, hi, thank you.

1263
02:05:08,880 --> 02:05:10,920
I came to Park City 14 years ago,

1264
02:05:10,920 --> 02:05:13,900
and I live on Prospector Avenue with which

1265
02:05:13,900 --> 02:05:17,320
we would make this development right in my eyesight

1266
02:05:17,320 --> 02:05:19,760
lines to the front me, to the mountain.

1267
02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:25,580
I bought in this area because I appreciated Park City's height

1268
02:05:25,580 --> 02:05:32,530
restrictions. At the time that we're 35, 40 feet, we've already made an exception. When will it end?

1269
02:05:33,100 --> 02:05:40,220
When are we going to now say, Oh, well, now this guy's got 40 feet. Now let's give this one 55. How about 65?

1270
02:05:40,760 --> 02:05:47,080
And you know, at the very, very beginning of this presentation, they mentioned 65 feet. It was never mentioned again,

1271
02:05:47,220 --> 02:05:54,400
but it was mentioned in the last time the meeting was here. And where is the 65 foot building? And where is that wall?

1272
02:05:54,400 --> 02:06:24,380
I agree with Jack. It's going to be a wall on Benanza. And that is not the development I thought I was moving into. I totally supported the arts and cultural district. It was supposed to diversify Park City. Give us more of a summer time. Have a little bit more of a diversity in what we in people we attract in your round attraction. I would love to see us go back to arts and culture. I'm not against affordable housing. I think I think the formula we use for affordable housing.

1273
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:48,660
possible housing makes the affordable housing not affordable for most people. But I do think there's other properties that would be more suited than this one diamond that we have right in the center of of of town and why would we do this. Why are we looking to make the developer make more money lower the height of the buildings have less units.

1274
02:06:48,660 --> 02:06:53,340
make them smaller. We don't have to have nine foot ceilings. I don't have nine foot ceilings.

1275
02:06:53,760 --> 02:06:57,840
Most people I know don't have nine foot ceilings. That is not a requirement.

1276
02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:03,780
And then how are we going to, how are we going or how are they going to control the mind

1277
02:07:03,780 --> 02:07:09,060
telling dust? I mean, that was one of the things that killed the arts and cultural district

1278
02:07:09,060 --> 02:07:15,000
was the fact that all that dirt had to go down to dwell. How is that going to happen in this

1279
02:07:15,000 --> 02:07:21,080
development. I mean they're going down in for underground garage. All that dirt's got to come out and

1280
02:07:21,080 --> 02:07:21,720
go somewhere.

1281
02:07:23,920 --> 02:07:28,120
I kind of feel that since the city kind of brought them in, it's almost the conflict

1282
02:07:28,120 --> 02:07:29,800
of interest that you guys have.

1283
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:39,920
Pre-selected who you want to do this project, and us as individuals who live in the area, have to deal with the ISOA that's being built.

1284
02:07:40,340 --> 02:07:46,080
I think there's a lot better things that could be done on this property. Thank you. Thank you for your comments.

1285
02:07:50,060 --> 02:07:58,540
My name is Peter Yugman. I'm in the 806 and I just want to kind of shift the comments.

1286
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:04,820
I really don't understand your portfolio. If your portfolio is about a specific project

1287
02:08:04,820 --> 02:08:11,200
and heights and setbacks and traffic, your job is important, but frankly, it sounds pretty boring.

1288
02:08:12,700 --> 02:08:18,840
There's a big picture and I don't know how much you get into advising the council on the big picture.

1289
02:08:19,980 --> 02:08:25,140
So we all think affordable housing is important. It's important nationally, not just in Park City.

1290
02:08:25,860 --> 02:08:30,860
If I look at the 19.5 million plus the 40 million and I don't believe the 40 million,

1291
02:08:30,920 --> 02:08:34,220
because like the woman just mentioned, we're going to take substantial soil risk.

1292
02:08:35,520 --> 02:08:39,640
We're at $676,000 per affordable unit.

1293
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:41,140
That's what we're subsidizing.

1294
02:08:41,280 --> 02:08:43,600
I don't think you're subsidizing the commercial aspect

1295
02:08:43,600 --> 02:08:44,420
of this project.

1296
02:08:44,900 --> 02:08:48,680
Here's what I can buy you for $676,000.

1297
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:51,360
Within the 30 mile radius of Park City,

1298
02:08:51,520 --> 02:08:52,960
I can't get you without a mortgage.

1299
02:08:53,560 --> 02:08:55,860
A three-bedroom home with a yard.

1300
02:08:56,300 --> 02:08:59,180
I can put into your garage a full self-driving

1301
02:08:59,180 --> 02:09:02,140
Tesla Model 3, and I can pay for your charging

1302
02:09:02,140 --> 02:09:03,600
for the life of the car.

1303
02:09:04,280 --> 02:09:09,220
Are you sure that this is the right long-term strategy for affordable housing?

1304
02:09:09,900 --> 02:09:13,140
You know, we look at, I think Molly Miller at the council meeting said,

1305
02:09:13,140 --> 02:09:17,000
we need 860 more affordable units.

1306
02:09:17,220 --> 02:09:18,960
And that's just through 2032.

1307
02:09:20,280 --> 02:09:26,040
If I take, you need to come up with a number of what our subsidy cost is going to be per unit.

1308
02:09:26,540 --> 02:09:27,860
Is it 100,000?

1309
02:09:28,160 --> 02:09:30,020
Is it 600,000?

1310
02:09:30,020 --> 02:09:37,640
We're pretty soon going to get to half a billion dollars to build the affordable housing that you want to build.

1311
02:09:38,140 --> 02:09:45,240
So we, as a planning commission, as a community, need to think more broadly about how we saw this issue

1312
02:09:45,240 --> 02:09:51,000
in the fiscal irresponsible manner. Because right now, we really don't have a plan.

1313
02:09:51,380 --> 02:09:55,980
It seems like a plan is to chase every shiny object that shows up on your desk

1314
02:09:55,980 --> 02:10:01,280
without looking at the broader bigger picture of what we're really going to do long-term over

1315
02:10:01,280 --> 02:10:06,840
the next 10 years. So that's really what I want you to focus on. Because there's a lot of

1316
02:10:06,840 --> 02:10:11,500
other uses for this property. There's things that could really benefit the community. I think people

1317
02:10:11,500 --> 02:10:16,880
have talked about arts. I think some other ideas are things that would actually benefit the hotels

1318
02:10:16,880 --> 02:10:22,000
and restaurants in this town. We don't have a good convention trade show space. I mean, we could

1319
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:30,140
have one fairly large building to a three stories and we could solve that problem of the shoulder

1320
02:10:30,140 --> 02:10:35,880
seasons for our restaurants and our hotels and do something that they're actually collecting

1321
02:10:35,880 --> 02:10:45,160
all the taxes for instead of just building affordable affordable housing. So I think you need

1322
02:10:45,160 --> 02:10:51,080
to really take a look at the bigger picture and put this into a much broader context and advise

1323
02:10:51,080 --> 02:10:55,200
Council appropriately. Thank you. Thank you for your comments.

1324
02:11:09,940 --> 02:11:13,680
Hello, council. Excuse me. Hello, commissioners. Thank you very much.

1325
02:11:15,460 --> 02:11:19,840
My name is Jimmy May. I live in Park City 84060. I object

1326
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:24,360
to the Brinsure proposal for several reasons, traffic, green space,

1327
02:11:24,780 --> 02:11:28,280
height, offset and FBZ and expense.

1328
02:11:29,220 --> 02:11:30,720
Traffic. I'll let me know in the comments to the Brinsure

1329
02:11:30,720 --> 02:11:33,020
study. The study I saw was a snapshot.

1330
02:11:33,020 --> 02:11:40,480
One day, during my season, post- skis season before the tourist season.

1331
02:11:43,080 --> 02:11:50,740
We reject the notion that as many people state that this proposal will mitigate traffic

1332
02:11:50,740 --> 02:11:52,640
in the area, green space.

1333
02:11:52,780 --> 02:11:55,820
We're having trouble determining how much usable green space there is.

1334
02:11:55,980 --> 02:12:01,360
I saw some diagrams tonight that were clearer than others that I have seen, but many of

1335
02:12:01,360 --> 02:12:08,680
renderings have been confusing and even misleading. Some show a lot of green, whereas many others

1336
02:12:08,680 --> 02:12:16,960
show much of that green is actually concrete. In the public private park, we'll have enough green

1337
02:12:16,960 --> 02:12:24,600
space really to throw a frisbee without tripping over a ventilation grate on and are there any

1338
02:12:24,600 --> 02:12:30,240
guarantees of the same thing that happened at the Indian House. We're a stroke of a diminished

1339
02:12:30,240 --> 02:12:35,200
which is Frater's pen, reduced a soccer field to a stroke

1340
02:12:35,200 --> 02:12:36,480
to drainage ditch.

1341
02:12:37,180 --> 02:12:38,740
How do we know that's not gonna happen here?

1342
02:12:40,570 --> 02:12:43,130
Most of all, I object to the zoning variances,

1343
02:12:43,350 --> 02:12:47,230
the area of frontal protection zone must not be compromised.

1344
02:12:48,170 --> 02:12:50,270
Please, peace, peace zone documentation,

1345
02:12:50,390 --> 02:12:54,790
I am here, peace, or an answer park, is mixed use.

1346
02:12:54,830 --> 02:12:56,630
I support mixed use, and by the way,

1347
02:12:56,930 --> 02:12:58,050
I support affordable housing.

1348
02:12:59,670 --> 02:13:03,330
This document states, in bold, quote,

1349
02:13:03,670 --> 02:13:07,730
in sure that Park City's entry corridors remain scenic

1350
02:13:07,730 --> 02:13:09,470
and awe-inspiring.

1351
02:13:10,290 --> 02:13:14,050
The current proposal is anything but.

1352
02:13:15,050 --> 02:13:17,970
It includes the document includes a section for quote,

1353
02:13:18,170 --> 02:13:19,710
establishing a density bonus.

1354
02:13:20,430 --> 02:13:22,650
I am not going to read the letting of qualifiers,

1355
02:13:23,870 --> 02:13:27,230
but I will state here that many of these are things

1356
02:13:27,230 --> 02:13:30,950
that we would ask for even expect from a developer,

1357
02:13:31,630 --> 02:13:34,510
developing a gem, such as Vanessa Park.

1358
02:13:35,350 --> 02:13:37,950
As I understand it, granting this so-called bonus

1359
02:13:38,550 --> 02:13:39,590
is discretionary.

1360
02:13:40,290 --> 02:13:42,910
This combination of variances has never been exercised

1361
02:13:42,910 --> 02:13:43,830
to my knowledge.

1362
02:13:44,390 --> 02:13:47,350
Commission, please, do not do so.

1363
02:13:48,290 --> 02:13:50,730
Doing so, we will create a dangerous precedent,

1364
02:13:52,010 --> 02:13:54,950
especially on public property.

1365
02:13:56,520 --> 02:14:00,280
Based on what we know so far, speaking of bonuses,

1366
02:14:00,700 --> 02:14:06,400
Brinshore is already receiving at least 62 million dollars.

1367
02:14:07,520 --> 02:14:08,940
And that's called in bonuses.

1368
02:14:11,700 --> 02:14:13,120
And that's what we know of.

1369
02:14:13,140 --> 02:14:15,260
That's before cost overruns.

1370
02:14:15,480 --> 02:14:15,600
This is...

1371
02:14:15,600 --> 02:14:16,600
I think that your comments at this.

1372
02:14:16,600 --> 02:14:18,120
This is a $100,000 free unit,

1373
02:14:18,440 --> 02:14:19,420
$200,000 half a million.

1374
02:14:20,040 --> 02:14:20,760
As Peter stated,

1375
02:14:21,540 --> 02:14:24,160
these so-called affordable units are affordable

1376
02:14:24,160 --> 02:14:26,320
at over $700,000 free unit.

1377
02:14:26,900 --> 02:14:28,080
Why isn't Brinshore paying...

1378
02:14:28,080 --> 02:14:35,940
us to develop this property. Commissioners, I urge you to reject this proposal. Thank you.

1379
02:14:36,040 --> 02:14:42,720
Thank you for your comments. All right. We're going to go ahead and continue the public hearing for a next meeting.

1380
02:14:43,120 --> 02:14:45,800
You will have more opportunities to comment at any time.

1381
02:14:45,900 --> 02:14:49,900
You can submit comments to planning at parkcity.gov.

1382
02:14:49,900 --> 02:14:57,500
So we'll go ahead and continue the public hearing for this evening and turn back to the commissioners and the staff.

1383
02:15:00,850 --> 02:15:22,540
All right, do you want to pull up your questions? Perfect. And then let's start. Actually, we'll go piece by piece. So commissioners, if you guys want to just, we'll start with, hi, are we going to go through all each of the topics for tonight, Alec? With questions or yeah, we have questions for building heights of P.C.

1384
02:15:22,920 --> 02:15:32,300
and traffic and then still sustainability. Okay. So then let's, we'll do it by that. If you guys want, we're going to go kind of about each section. We can kind of sum up.

1385
02:15:32,880 --> 02:15:43,580
People's comments and then yeah, do we need to take okay we'll take just a five like literally five minutes so we can keep rolling so we're going to take a five minute break and we'll return

1386
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:45,420
at

1387
02:15:46,420 --> 02:15:46,880
51

1388
02:23:18,590 --> 02:23:19,130
Madam,

1389
02:23:24,140 --> 02:23:28,930
Matt, Madam, are you guys with us? If not, if you can hear me come on back.

1390
02:23:30,660 --> 02:23:37,340
Yes. Hey, Matt. Hi. And we have Adam and Rebecca said to have this out of that, my.

1391
02:23:37,520 --> 02:23:44,340
Okay, Mark, pairing to city attorney here in town to build join us momentarily, but we'll go ahead and reconvene the August 12th

1392
02:23:44,340 --> 02:23:52,220
planning commission meeting as we jump into commissioner comments for item 5A and we're going to begin with

1393
02:23:52,220 --> 02:23:59,400
building heights. Does anyone have specific things they want to talk about? Or are we okay to jump in

1394
02:23:59,400 --> 02:24:02,980
with questions and kind of respond to these questions as our guide?

1395
02:24:06,140 --> 02:24:07,000
No specific comments?

1396
02:24:07,320 --> 02:24:09,540
All right, we'll just jump in due questions then, Alex.

1397
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:14,980
Great. So the first question is the planning

1398
02:24:14,980 --> 02:24:19,860
commission have the information needed to determine whether the applicant has met the six criteria

1399
02:24:19,860 --> 02:24:21,380
for a building height exception?

1400
02:24:25,620 --> 02:24:26,940
Jump in first.

1401
02:24:30,320 --> 02:24:31,900
I'll jump in. I'll jump in. It's real quick in

1402
02:24:31,900 --> 02:24:36,820
I appreciate the way staff put this together to kind of step through each one of those elements.

1403
02:24:37,520 --> 02:24:40,440
That was really good to do that, you know, as for the code.

1404
02:24:41,220 --> 02:24:47,540
So I appreciate that work, and that became sort of much clearer to me on how you guys were coming out at each one of those six.

1405
02:24:48,160 --> 02:24:49,540
So that was good. Thanks.

1406
02:24:53,890 --> 02:24:55,130
This commissioner, Frank Terrell.

1407
02:24:56,630 --> 02:24:57,030
Oh, I'll comment.

1408
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:03,200
Is the applicant meeting the sixth criteria for building ID exception?

1409
02:25:04,780 --> 02:25:15,460
Most likely, I find 1 through 6 is being met, but does it mean I'm going to grant a high exception?

1410
02:25:16,660 --> 02:25:20,600
That means I may consider giving a high exception. There's a big difference.

1411
02:25:24,280 --> 02:25:30,260
This location is a challenging location, FPZ, and it's our entrance corridor.

1412
02:25:31,560 --> 02:25:40,460
And people enter our town from two different main thoroughfares coming into town in the border on this property.

1413
02:25:42,020 --> 02:25:48,540
So to answer your question, specifically, have they met the building height exception?

1414
02:25:49,140 --> 02:25:55,220
I think your question is not worded properly for a building height exception.

1415
02:25:55,680 --> 02:25:56,700
Have they met the criteria?

1416
02:25:56,700 --> 02:26:02,040
But does it mean the automatically get a height exception? I think you should consider rewarding that question.

1417
02:26:02,360 --> 02:26:10,680
Yeah, maybe to clarify, it does the commission have the information needed to make that evaluation not whether they're there.

1418
02:26:10,820 --> 02:26:12,680
So if there's additional clarification.

1419
02:26:13,500 --> 02:26:14,380
So I read the question.

1420
02:26:15,720 --> 02:26:16,480
We'd like you anyway.

1421
02:26:16,640 --> 02:26:17,080
Apologies.

1422
02:26:18,020 --> 02:26:18,580
I read the question.

1423
02:26:21,400 --> 02:26:24,780
I think you can gather where I'm going.

1424
02:26:24,780 --> 02:26:27,640
Yeah, I don't have any further questions.

1425
02:26:28,100 --> 02:26:29,680
I find most of these are being met.

1426
02:26:29,860 --> 02:26:32,760
I still find the height to be concerning,

1427
02:26:34,680 --> 02:26:35,240
and

1428
02:26:38,030 --> 02:26:39,850
should I offer some comments?

1429
02:26:40,030 --> 02:26:40,230
Yeah.

1430
02:26:40,270 --> 02:26:41,570
Rebecca, at this point?

1431
02:26:41,930 --> 02:26:42,210
Yes, specifically.

1432
02:26:43,890 --> 02:26:49,630
So, the fourth story building that has most of the affordable housing

1433
02:26:50,910 --> 02:26:53,890
is one story too high for me.

1434
02:26:54,390 --> 02:26:58,030
I know there's a lot of benefits to this project.

1435
02:26:58,030 --> 02:27:08,090
open spaces, likely the largest one requiring 30%, they're proposing 60% that's not insignificant,

1436
02:27:08,310 --> 02:27:18,470
that is something I am weighing heavily in favor of the project, however, the height on this busy corner in an FPC,

1437
02:27:18,830 --> 02:27:24,790
even though this one building is set back significantly, it's still for me, that's going to be too tall.

1438
02:27:24,790 --> 02:27:34,950
And I asked the applicant in the last meeting how many buildings rather how many units do you likely need at a minimum to get your light tech funding?

1439
02:27:34,970 --> 02:27:37,370
And I think the answer was around 100.

1440
02:27:38,930 --> 02:27:42,070
And we're just slightly over 100 at this point.

1441
02:27:42,550 --> 02:27:49,150
So if we took that down to three stories, I assume light tech funding would be super challenging or maybe not even existent.

1442
02:27:49,150 --> 02:27:57,790
and this whole project would be very challenged, is my, is my suspicion so this is going to be

1443
02:27:57,790 --> 02:28:07,590
the height is going to be a challenge for me getting comfortable considering providing such a

1444
02:28:07,590 --> 02:28:08,150
thank you.

1445
02:28:08,730 --> 02:28:16,290
Just Commissioner Shand, I, I concur with Commissioner Fontaro, I actually took a fence at this at this first question

1446
02:28:16,290 --> 02:28:21,870
assuming that that the height exception was going to be granted. But now re-reading it, I understand.

1447
02:28:22,290 --> 02:28:28,690
I get it. I think that when you take the six criteria, as when you take the land management code

1448
02:28:28,690 --> 02:28:35,930
and pick it apart, you can check off all the boxes. But as a whole, it doesn't make sense. So even though

1449
02:28:35,930 --> 02:28:42,910
you may have checked off the six criteria to me to echo Commissioner Fontaro, the heights can be

1450
02:28:46,080 --> 02:28:53,380
This is Commissioner Tillson. I would need more information to determine the sixth criteria

1451
02:28:53,380 --> 02:29:02,620
because the 12 12 roof pitches are not going to work. They're too high and you stated tonight

1452
02:29:02,620 --> 02:29:10,900
that you will need to redesign some of the buildings to accommodate a smaller pitch and still

1453
02:29:10,900 --> 02:29:21,980
need criteria number six. So I think I need to see that redesign to evaluate the six criteria

1454
02:29:21,980 --> 02:29:30,540
fully and completely because I will tell you I think the 12 12 pitch will like will not work

1455
02:29:30,540 --> 02:29:37,140
it's way too high it blocks far too much of the ridge line views towards the mountains.

1456
02:29:37,140 --> 02:29:38,680
However,

1457
02:29:41,290 --> 02:29:48,990
a smaller pitch may work better, but the redesign needs to comply with the

1458
02:29:48,990 --> 02:29:50,570
write here as well.

1459
02:29:58,700 --> 02:29:59,960
Matthew, Adam, any...

1460
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:04,940
Anything outstanding that you guys feel you would need for more information or does everyone feel

1461
02:30:04,940 --> 02:30:10,320
we have what we need. Again, that's interesting, but to make a decision going forward.

1462
02:30:11,260 --> 02:30:17,700
Yeah, I'm happy to expand a little more on what I said previously. The six point test is not a test that you

1463
02:30:17,700 --> 02:30:23,700
do get it. It's a test that we may consider it almost. In some ways, it's a kind of a test for us.

1464
02:30:23,700 --> 02:30:31,780
I think it's clearly satisfied under the code, but that I think then just moves it down the decision path.

1465
02:30:32,280 --> 02:30:39,100
So now we are able to give additional height. The question of should we give it comes into kind of all the other aspects.

1466
02:30:39,780 --> 02:30:44,800
So I kind of don't see this as a, okay, let's approve the height number on. I would look at it more in its totality.

1467
02:30:44,960 --> 02:30:51,160
But I don't think this whole thing is for lay because we can't meet the six point test, which is what would happen.

1468
02:30:51,160 --> 02:30:53,800
So I think we're still moving forward with it,

1469
02:30:53,980 --> 02:30:58,320
but I wouldn't be voting on the hype all by itself.

1470
02:31:00,180 --> 02:31:03,020
Yeah, and I have all the information that I need at this point.

1471
02:31:04,220 --> 02:31:04,640
Great.

1472
02:31:06,420 --> 02:31:09,600
And then we further, so things that we're good for the first question.

1473
02:31:09,740 --> 02:31:13,380
The second question, but we have a commissioner

1474
02:31:13,380 --> 02:31:15,100
Tillson, I would agree with that.

1475
02:31:15,100 --> 02:31:17,500
Some more information on that 412 pitch.

1476
02:31:17,500 --> 02:31:22,520
I think I don't think the flat roofs work at all.

1477
02:31:22,600 --> 02:31:25,280
even from a high standpoint, there are still taller.

1478
02:31:26,300 --> 02:31:30,340
But I think for that 412 pitch can really look like,

1479
02:31:30,700 --> 02:31:32,940
would be helpful in the design elements,

1480
02:31:33,080 --> 02:31:35,240
because I think that will contribute more

1481
02:31:35,240 --> 02:31:37,920
to that variation in the design,

1482
02:31:38,120 --> 02:31:39,520
especially the length of the facade.

1483
02:31:41,440 --> 02:31:45,360
Is there anything else someone else wants from that question

1484
02:31:46,060 --> 02:31:48,140
when we're looking at that new,

1485
02:31:48,140 --> 02:31:49,620
the different roof lines?

1486
02:31:51,140 --> 02:31:59,060
But on that one I suppose I would maybe I'd caution that just because it's lower doesn't

1487
02:31:59,060 --> 02:32:04,280
mean it's better and there's, you know, a section in this six point test that hits the fifth

1488
02:32:04,280 --> 02:32:09,260
one which basically says, well, allow more heights along as you are doing more to get more

1489
02:32:09,260 --> 02:32:17,140
of, you know, variation in the roof line and the 12 by 12 is a much better fit for the historic

1490
02:32:17,140 --> 02:32:23,380
nature of the town, you know, I think within it's a historic district that's kind of where, you know, we generally want to land.

1491
02:32:23,740 --> 02:32:26,160
You know, as I just looked at those pictures and all I've got is a few pictures.

1492
02:32:26,700 --> 02:32:32,400
I mean, from my view, I think the 12 by 12 was actually kind of a better fit for the nature of the town than the 4 by 12.

1493
02:32:32,580 --> 02:32:35,580
It just didn't look like it fit really.

1494
02:32:36,040 --> 02:32:38,520
Now that's not to say that the 12 by 12 is the one we should go for.

1495
02:32:39,060 --> 02:32:45,060
But if I was put those two together, I'd rather something a little bit taller that fit the historic nature of the town

1496
02:32:45,060 --> 02:32:48,340
in terms of facade and silhouette than the full by 12,

1497
02:32:48,760 --> 02:32:51,440
at a grade of flats and non-starter, I think.

1498
02:32:54,820 --> 02:32:58,880
I think my position is, I don't know that any of them

1499
02:32:58,880 --> 02:33:02,940
comply any of the different roof alternatives,

1500
02:33:03,820 --> 02:33:06,060
but I have the information I need to make that decision.

1501
02:33:06,460 --> 02:33:08,060
I just need to look at the code more closely

1502
02:33:08,060 --> 02:33:08,900
and I'll do that,

1503
02:33:11,300 --> 02:33:14,540
but yeah, I don't need anything further.

1504
02:33:17,160 --> 02:33:26,050
anyone else anything additional they need for building heights. Okay. So moving on to

1505
02:33:26,980 --> 02:33:27,680
FPC,

1506
02:33:29,840 --> 02:33:34,940
any additional saving, any additional information that anybody would be

1507
02:33:34,940 --> 02:33:39,780
looking for for buildings two, three and four within the FPC.

1508
02:33:41,860 --> 02:33:43,480
Nothing here from me.

1509
02:33:44,040 --> 02:33:49,380
Nothing for my other. Nothing for nothing for me. Nothing for me. Okay.

1510
02:33:49,380 --> 02:33:50,440
And

1511
02:33:57,420 --> 02:34:06,800
then we have a couple of questions for parking in traffic. First does the planning commission find that the applicant's parking analysis supports the discrimination to increase the required number of upstreet parking spaces?

1512
02:34:11,130 --> 02:34:18,850
Commissioner Shand here, could you applicant discuss the discrepancy between the ITE analysis and Park City Code?

1513
02:34:19,290 --> 02:34:23,210
And there's pretty big discrepancy between the parking requirements.

1514
02:34:24,930 --> 02:34:27,410
And I do have a follow-up question after you.

1515
02:34:35,040 --> 02:34:38,040
Yeah, so are you just asking where the data comes from?

1516
02:34:38,400 --> 02:34:41,500
Well, you're proposing 280 spaces, I believe?

1517
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:42,080
Second one.

1518
02:34:42,620 --> 02:34:48,380
And the IT says that with the plus 10% 399 stalls are required.

1519
02:34:50,300 --> 02:34:50,980
Is that?

1520
02:34:54,590 --> 02:34:59,370
So the IT also provides time of day usage.

1521
02:34:59,550 --> 02:35:01,970
They collect data for each hour of the day.

1522
02:35:01,970 --> 02:35:09,730
So we plugged that in to a chart throughout the day and it comes down to the

1523
02:35:09,730 --> 02:35:16,170
I believe our last part and said it was made it comes down to 317. Okay, let's take a look at that chart. Can we pull that up?

1524
02:35:19,560 --> 02:35:21,740
You had you had the previous version

1525
02:35:24,180 --> 02:35:27,780
Yeah, I believe it. Yeah, I was probably the time of day parking. Yeah

1526
02:35:28,740 --> 02:35:35,030
You had the one before the last one. I gave you but it kind of shows the same thing.

1527
02:36:02,520 --> 02:36:03,280
I think it was

1528
02:36:04,260 --> 02:36:12,640
that your company submitted. Okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah, she's the next page. Next page.

1529
02:36:13,140 --> 02:36:14,980
There you go.

1530
02:36:18,920 --> 02:36:23,700
Yeah, also that chart right there kind of highlights the different land uses

1531
02:36:23,700 --> 02:36:27,440
and when they're supposed to use during each hour of the day. Yeah, this was this is different

1532
02:36:27,440 --> 02:36:32,680
that one was in our packet. Part of your report. Yeah, so the one in your part should say 317. Yeah.

1533
02:36:32,680 --> 02:36:39,060
Yeah, so that was the last one, which one's correct the three 17 based off of Matthew. Can you pull that up in your report?

1534
02:36:44,440 --> 02:36:45,680
Yeah, it's exhibit

1535
02:36:47,220 --> 02:36:48,740
B or C.

1536
02:36:51,820 --> 02:36:55,100
I can get on that. I can pull up the report.

1537
02:36:56,240 --> 02:37:04,440
Well, I think we all want to take a look at work from it. We have to get a page four of exhibits see

1538
02:37:23,260 --> 02:37:26,300
and while we're looking for that, I'm just I just want to understand I think.

1539
02:37:26,460 --> 02:37:29,980
I think the city code says 208 spaces require

1540
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:59,160
I urge your providing 280, but we show at least on this report. Yes, that one. That, you know, we're, we're right at 280 for most of the day. In fact, we're there from 8 a.m. or 730 a.m. to 830 p.m. We're pretty much maxed out. And I just wanted to to understand the differences between what the city code is asking for and what you're provided.

1541
02:37:59,160 --> 02:38:02,920
and then this analysis that you're company did.

1542
02:38:04,320 --> 02:38:05,000
Who would they have?

1543
02:38:05,440 --> 02:38:07,420
Oh, no, that's, that's, but yeah.

1544
02:38:09,310 --> 02:38:10,110
Yes, I was here.

1545
02:38:10,750 --> 02:38:12,330
So I just wanted to kind of wrap my head.

1546
02:38:12,350 --> 02:38:17,290
So the city code, I believe, asks for 208 parking spots.

1547
02:38:18,330 --> 02:38:24,350
You're providing 280 as indicated by the red line on the chart.

1548
02:38:25,010 --> 02:38:25,430
Mm-hmm.

1549
02:38:25,690 --> 02:38:26,250
Right, everything, okay.

1550
02:38:26,250 --> 02:38:43,530
And so it just appears that from 730, if I got this right, so there's 6, 730 or so AM to 730 or maybe even 8 o'clock PM, we're right at this 280 line, exactly.

1551
02:38:44,890 --> 02:38:52,350
Okay, and and in your report this says that this does not does not include, this is the baseline.

1552
02:38:52,670 --> 02:38:57,090
It doesn't accommodate for non of that operations.

1553
02:38:57,090 --> 02:39:04,650
You feel an event in there like the, I believe you have an amphitheater in here for 980 seats,

1554
02:39:05,370 --> 02:39:08,710
where in which case 245 additional stalls would be required.

1555
02:39:09,030 --> 02:39:09,770
That's correct.

1556
02:39:09,770 --> 02:39:12,170
And I'm reading this right,

1557
02:39:15,850 --> 02:39:16,890
looking at this chart again,

1558
02:39:16,910 --> 02:39:19,130
we've got the baseline, which is the blue line.

1559
02:39:19,290 --> 02:39:22,130
So that's just residential, I believe.

1560
02:39:23,070 --> 02:39:28,230
Yeah, so 120 spots will be just taken up by the residents.

1561
02:39:28,730 --> 02:39:33,070
So that's 120 cars going in and out during the course of the day.

1562
02:39:33,230 --> 02:39:35,190
And then everything below that,

1563
02:39:35,190 --> 02:39:39,250
hold the park, strip retail plaza, and all the other uses

1564
02:39:39,250 --> 02:39:41,350
will be other vehicles using.

1565
02:39:41,350 --> 02:39:48,630
So essentially, this is what we're adding to the parking and the activity in that area.

1566
02:39:50,330 --> 02:39:50,490
All right.

1567
02:39:50,550 --> 02:39:51,030
Thank you.

1568
02:39:51,170 --> 02:39:56,950
I just wanted to clarify, since we had kind of numbers that that contradicted each other.

1569
02:39:57,770 --> 02:39:58,510
Thank you.

1570
02:40:05,950 --> 02:40:13,770
This commission in front of, I have a question regarding exhibit D, which is the transportation impacts study, TIS.

1571
02:40:16,460 --> 02:40:26,930
I'd like the applicant to confirm what I, what I read in here, which is that this project

1572
02:40:26,930 --> 02:40:35,690
is projected to generate 1238 daily vehicle trips. Is that accurate? Do I have that right?

1573
02:40:55,670 --> 02:41:02,230
At the access points, 1238 new trips, I'm then pulling some pass by trips off the road as

1574
02:41:02,230 --> 02:41:03,470
well.

1575
02:41:03,470 --> 02:41:05,050
I didn't hear the last part.

1576
02:41:05,350 --> 02:41:07,870
It'll be polling some pass by trips off the road as well.

1577
02:41:08,470 --> 02:41:12,490
So there will be more time than the XS points,

1578
02:41:12,950 --> 02:41:16,530
but it'll be polling off of existing trips on the road.

1579
02:41:19,450 --> 02:41:25,390
So like if you're traveling from downtown to the high school,

1580
02:41:25,730 --> 02:41:29,390
and you want to get a coffee, you would already be on the road.

1581
02:41:29,510 --> 02:41:32,830
So you'd pull off and grab a coffee and then get back on the road.

1582
02:41:32,830 --> 02:41:35,070
So you'd already be there.

1583
02:41:35,170 --> 02:41:38,690
So some of those 1238 daily trips will already

1584
02:41:38,690 --> 02:41:40,310
be folks that are on the road.

1585
02:41:40,910 --> 02:41:46,250
The 1238 is Jet News Generation trips.

1586
02:41:46,470 --> 02:41:50,370
And then there's 588 additional trips.

1587
02:41:50,550 --> 02:41:51,450
Additional trips.

1588
02:41:53,090 --> 02:41:59,550
So this project is projected on the study, traffic study,

1589
02:41:59,550 --> 02:42:08,690
to put 1238 new daily vehicles on the road in our busiest intersection, right?

1590
02:42:10,350 --> 02:42:18,310
Near the busiest intersection, yeah. Yeah. And the mitigation strategies that I read

1591
02:42:18,310 --> 02:42:24,450
seen wholly inadequate to handle that. And such as

1592
02:42:27,200 --> 02:42:30,900
the reports suggested that future BIT projects

1593
02:42:30,900 --> 02:42:38,000
could help. Oh sure, but those aren't done yet. They're not built out yet. We don't know for sure

1594
02:42:38,000 --> 02:42:45,440
they're going to happen. It seems like the mitigation strategies are a little bit of a wishlist

1595
02:42:47,360 --> 02:42:52,760
that if BRT works it'll be great and if more bosses get through it'll be great.

1596
02:42:54,020 --> 02:42:56,780
And some of that will happen, you know, admittedly, I understand.

1597
02:42:59,000 --> 02:43:00,780
But but I'm finding the hard

1598
02:43:00,780 --> 02:43:05,480
evidence of the mitigation is not there for me.

1599
02:43:05,960 --> 02:43:10,660
I'm not seeing enough hard mitigation strategies

1600
02:43:12,640 --> 02:43:15,040
being put forth for me to get comfortable

1601
02:43:15,780 --> 02:43:18,820
that as you just acknowledge, there's a hunt

1602
02:43:18,820 --> 02:43:22,300
this 1238 new daily cars being put on the road

1603
02:43:22,300 --> 02:43:24,960
because of this project and the project is required

1604
02:43:24,960 --> 02:43:28,960
to mitigate the traffic impact that's going to create.

1605
02:43:28,960 --> 02:43:33,340
and I find the mitigation strategy has been put forward at this point or lacking for me.

1606
02:43:34,160 --> 02:43:36,340
That's my comment. Thank you.

1607
02:43:39,210 --> 02:43:46,330
I have a related comment. Are there any additional mitigation

1608
02:43:46,330 --> 02:43:56,470
strategies that the applicant is considering or may provide down the road or is our record

1609
02:43:56,470 --> 02:43:58,810
locked here on the mitigation.

1610
02:44:04,620 --> 02:44:06,580
Sorry, well, you repeat that again.

1611
02:44:06,700 --> 02:44:08,880
Are there additional mitigation?

1612
02:44:11,440 --> 02:44:17,320
Potential mitigation strategies that you guys are looking at or what we have is what we have.

1613
02:44:17,940 --> 02:44:23,360
Yeah, so we provided some considerations for mitigations.

1614
02:44:23,840 --> 02:44:32,120
We typically, when we're dealing with the kind of rectangle in Park City where all the traffic is.

1615
02:44:33,420 --> 02:44:38,980
Park City's big bowl is to reduce vehicle traffic and increase transit ridership and multi-modal

1616
02:44:38,980 --> 02:44:39,560
transportation.

1617
02:44:41,860 --> 02:44:47,880
So we understand that. We try to keep our recommendations within that, but we also

1618
02:44:47,880 --> 02:44:55,920
listed a lot of major improvements that could be made at the the four main rectangular intersections

1619
02:44:55,920 --> 02:44:59,260
to increase traffic through put.

1620
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:04,700
Uh, although that would increase the number of vehicles. So.

1621
02:45:06,220 --> 02:45:13,240
And those mitigation measures include kind of redesigning those intersections, adding lanes, things like that.

1622
02:45:13,300 --> 02:45:21,520
Is that what you're referring to saying? Yeah, widening the roads, adding it to a left turn lanes, stuff like that.

1623
02:45:21,740 --> 02:45:27,640
That's not applicant mitigation. That's mitigation that could occur by the city or you doubt or whatever.

1624
02:45:27,640 --> 02:45:32,580
it's not, it's not applicant-generated. Correct. Okay,

1625
02:45:35,430 --> 02:45:37,230
that's the only questions I have.

1626
02:45:38,130 --> 02:45:48,490
Oh, sorry. One more, I apologize. Is there any mitigation or plan and vision if a line

1627
02:45:48,490 --> 02:45:58,190
develops of people trying to turn right as they come up and NASA and try to enter that parking

1628
02:45:58,190 --> 02:46:05,550
garage. What happens if the mechanical arm at the parking garage fails to work on an event

1629
02:46:05,550 --> 02:46:11,550
night when 900 cars are trying to get in so they can see a show in the amphitheater or people

1630
02:46:11,550 --> 02:46:18,910
are circling around in the underground parking and can't find a spot and their acute develops

1631
02:46:18,910 --> 02:46:25,910
down. The man's a drive and starts to extend down to currents. Is there any, has epic considered

1632
02:46:25,910 --> 02:46:34,050
and if so, is there a plan to address that possibility or or anything along those lines?

1633
02:46:34,490 --> 02:46:43,770
The, whenever there's an event, it is required that the event organizer get an event permit.

1634
02:46:45,050 --> 02:46:55,890
And if part of that event permit, they have to work out the additional parking that would be

1635
02:46:55,890 --> 02:47:01,950
parking lot is generally available except for during school hours, of course, or a foot

1636
02:47:01,950 --> 02:47:10,990
ball game. And they actually have a routinely allowed it to be used for those. Or they

1637
02:47:12,110 --> 02:47:21,090
can work transit situation out with Richardson flats. But they have a responsibility for handling

1638
02:47:21,730 --> 02:47:27,570
traffic, hiring, policemen, controlling traffic as you for situations like you said.

1639
02:47:28,230 --> 02:47:31,950
We would not try to park 980 people in the parking garage.

1640
02:47:32,670 --> 02:47:38,870
It would be controlled at some point it would be closed because it's full move on.

1641
02:47:39,130 --> 02:47:42,610
You can't park here, go park where you're supposed to for the event.

1642
02:47:42,610 --> 02:47:50,970
So, those are all traveled handled by traffic management as part of the event permit process.

1643
02:47:51,830 --> 02:47:57,590
So, any concert that was going to happen there would be handled with an event permit with the city,

1644
02:47:57,830 --> 02:47:59,270
like they do all their other events.

1645
02:47:59,650 --> 02:48:08,610
And then the other response I have to that is that the operator of the garage is going to be Park City.

1646
02:48:09,250 --> 02:48:14,270
They operate their other grudges in Park City, and they're very good at handling parking

1647
02:48:14,270 --> 02:48:21,430
during events, as you can, as you know, because there's one every weekend, but they

1648
02:48:21,430 --> 02:48:23,170
know how to handle those grudges.

1649
02:48:23,830 --> 02:48:30,250
And what would happen is, when the grudges, they had someone out there monitoring the grudge occupancy

1650
02:48:30,250 --> 02:48:35,070
when it was full, people would be waived off, they wouldn't allow queueing on an answer

1651
02:48:35,070 --> 02:48:35,870
like that.

1652
02:48:35,870 --> 02:48:40,470
The other thing I want to say about the events, this is not a ticket to the event facility.

1653
02:48:41,490 --> 02:48:45,430
This is set up to do more free events like Mountain Town music.

1654
02:48:45,730 --> 02:48:46,950
It's not fenced off.

1655
02:48:47,070 --> 02:48:55,810
We're not planning on doing touring concerts like you would see up at the canyons or anything like that.

1656
02:48:55,810 --> 02:48:57,070
This is small neighborhood.

1657
02:48:57,930 --> 02:49:01,530
The purpose of this is to do small neighborhood entertainment.

1658
02:49:04,330 --> 02:49:15,610
Okay, I appreciate that, thank you, and then, am I right that the people turning right into the garage on Bananza would cross the transit lane?

1659
02:49:18,110 --> 02:49:18,450
Yes.

1660
02:49:20,450 --> 02:49:20,770
Okay.

1661
02:49:22,970 --> 02:49:24,130
All right.

1662
02:49:25,350 --> 02:49:28,590
I think that's all the questions I have, thank you, questions and comments.

1663
02:49:30,160 --> 02:49:37,460
I just wanted to point something out as different.

1664
02:49:37,520 --> 02:49:43,160
Thank you, Mr. Frantara. I wanted to point out that 1,200 new trips a day, swimming

1665
02:49:43,160 --> 02:49:53,740
12 hours of operation is 100 an hour, which is 2 minutes. That's it. So it's 1,200 sounds like an enormous amount.

1666
02:49:53,740 --> 02:50:10,700
When you consider that, when you consider that intersection though already, I know two cars a minute doesn't seem like a lot, but when you already have failing intersections, that are that are projected to continue to be failing going forward.

1667
02:50:11,280 --> 02:50:14,560
That's the problem with developing anything in Park City.

1668
02:50:16,780 --> 02:50:18,680
You're not wrong, but that's it.

1669
02:50:18,680 --> 02:50:20,660
It's any site has those issues.

1670
02:50:20,660 --> 02:50:22,680
Yeah, you're not wrong, but that's also our response.

1671
02:50:22,960 --> 02:50:24,740
I mean, that's part of our responsibility.

1672
02:50:26,060 --> 02:50:26,600
Yeah.

1673
02:50:28,160 --> 02:50:28,700
Yeah.

1674
02:50:30,820 --> 02:50:34,560
So I did want to clarify with Scotty.

1675
02:50:35,820 --> 02:50:37,260
That's in and out.

1676
02:50:39,850 --> 02:50:41,070
Yeah, that's in and out.

1677
02:50:41,310 --> 02:50:43,570
So 600 in, 600 out roughly.

1678
02:50:44,530 --> 02:50:44,870
Okay.

1679
02:50:44,870 --> 02:50:51,910
So it's not like 1,200 coming in, 1,200 coming in, 1,200 coming in, 1,600 coming in, 1,600 coming out.

1680
02:50:52,390 --> 02:50:54,290
So for whatever it's worth.

1681
02:50:56,910 --> 02:51:01,630
Mr. Frantar, I have a follow-up question on the exhibit D, if I may.

1682
02:51:02,410 --> 02:51:06,190
So looking, I want to look at two tables if we can.

1683
02:51:06,590 --> 02:51:12,010
If I could ask you kindly to turn to page 2 of exhibit D,

1684
02:51:12,010 --> 02:51:17,890
D, which has our letter grading of levels of service,

1685
02:51:29,920 --> 02:51:32,200
page two of Exhibit D.

1686
02:51:39,230 --> 02:51:44,330
I believe you meant double I, at the very top.

1687
02:51:46,890 --> 02:51:49,290
Page, yeah, page, yeah, that one.

1688
02:51:49,610 --> 02:51:53,090
So I want to start with this and then just go down one table in just a second.

1689
02:51:53,090 --> 02:52:01,810
So, existing, so this is the existing that Park City has provided under the existing, or maybe

1690
02:52:01,810 --> 02:52:04,050
hills knows that this is the existing, right?

1691
02:52:04,850 --> 02:52:12,550
So, so we see, uh, Kerns Boulevard, uh, inside Winder's failing prospector, Kernelius

1692
02:52:12,550 --> 02:52:19,830
failing, and Dear Valley is failing, Dear Valley in Park Avenue is failing in the PM.

1693
02:52:19,830 --> 02:52:29,960
And then when we open this, I'll sidewinder plus the project goes straight to an app.

1694
02:52:30,720 --> 02:52:39,160
Procedure to continue to be enough, motion to go, motion to go, and dear valley in Park Avenue, go to an F.

1695
02:52:39,940 --> 02:52:52,620
So the trend is poor for our intersections. And then when we look further into 2037, magically, somehow, dear valley, drive in Park F seems to improve.

1696
02:52:53,380 --> 02:52:59,600
But I find that hard to believe, but that's a 10 year projection zone, putting less stock into that.

1697
02:53:01,600 --> 02:53:02,440
If

1698
02:53:04,580 --> 02:53:13,780
I find the letter grading of earnest sections to be challenging and I've stated this publicly numerous times,

1699
02:53:14,420 --> 02:53:23,700
just because we start with an F intersection and then your project continues for it to be enough, that's not okay for me.

1700
02:53:23,700 --> 02:53:34,620
capital F. It's a double F. Okay. So if we're going to continue to look at this project

1701
02:53:34,620 --> 02:53:41,460
and we're going to focus on the level of service in the impact of the traffic, I would

1702
02:53:41,460 --> 02:53:49,540
strongly suggest I would like to see the minutes. So I would like to see table one instead of

1703
02:53:49,540 --> 02:53:51,860
give me letter grades, give me the minutes.

1704
02:53:52,500 --> 02:53:54,800
So if existing, if the minute in existing,

1705
02:53:55,420 --> 02:53:58,460
so for example, to be, give you a hard example,

1706
02:53:58,680 --> 02:54:02,060
prospector in Benanza, it's an F in the AM and an F in the PM.

1707
02:54:02,520 --> 02:54:06,700
I'd like to see a grid that says that's 92 seconds currently.

1708
02:54:07,500 --> 02:54:11,400
And then when it says project plus,

1709
02:54:11,860 --> 02:54:13,520
if that goes to three minutes,

1710
02:54:13,980 --> 02:54:17,020
I'd like to see the actual minute increase,

1711
02:54:17,020 --> 02:54:22,200
So I can get a better handle on the context of what the impact is going to be, but starting

1712
02:54:22,200 --> 02:54:28,620
in and off label and then telling me it's still going to be enough, I feel like that's

1713
02:54:28,620 --> 02:54:33,780
that's not quite delving into the detail of what the impact really could be.

1714
02:54:33,780 --> 02:54:39,140
I think I want to see minutes and seconds of what it is now and what it's going to be going

1715
02:54:39,140 --> 02:54:44,340
forward because that will help me understand that it could be three times worse what it is now rather

1716
02:54:44,340 --> 02:54:47,880
in just a letter after it's, I'm not a fan of the letters,

1717
02:54:48,620 --> 02:54:52,460
I'd like to see Smith get a better understanding

1718
02:54:52,460 --> 02:54:53,240
on the context.

1719
02:54:55,420 --> 02:54:56,300
Thank you.

1720
02:54:56,300 --> 02:54:57,480
I think we're right now.

1721
02:54:58,160 --> 02:54:59,900
Are you wanting that executive summary

1722
02:54:59,900 --> 02:55:01,600
because those are listed in each chapter?

1723
02:55:03,080 --> 02:55:06,560
If you can point them out now, I can try to put that together.

1724
02:55:06,880 --> 02:55:08,640
Yeah, it goes in a more detailed with each chapter.

1725
02:55:11,460 --> 02:55:14,320
So what page of your 133 page

1726
02:55:15,100 --> 02:55:34,580
Well, it's only like, the already pages before the appendix, but your first table is going to be on page 9, and it goes through the number of seconds before it goes into an F.

1727
02:55:34,580 --> 02:55:52,260
Okay, my page nine methodology, the methodology page page nine, page nine of 133, that's the page nine of the report page 16 of the PDF.

1728
02:56:01,000 --> 02:56:03,700
Okay, exhibit table four?

1729
02:56:03,940 --> 02:56:06,440
Yeah. Okay. Let's look at that.

1730
02:56:06,440 --> 02:56:08,940
Yeah. So this is same.

1731
02:56:11,410 --> 02:56:15,330
So let's look at wood-binding currents, the top one, for example,

1732
02:56:15,670 --> 02:56:23,910
morning peak. What is 3.6 in parentheses? That's the number of average experience in the

1733
02:56:23,910 --> 02:56:24,150
way.

1734
02:56:29,100 --> 02:56:34,740
Okay. And you, hey, I was engineering tested that yet someone went out physically and

1735
02:56:36,520 --> 02:56:41,640
tested this. Uh, we count the number of vehicles and we, okay. I'm going to new a model to

1736
02:56:41,640 --> 02:56:48,800
really realistically. Okay, and then okay, so then where's the impact of this project? So where's the

1737
02:56:48,800 --> 02:56:55,880
was the plus? That would be the one on the next chapters. So that would be

1738
02:57:00,550 --> 02:57:03,570
table 11 page,

1739
02:57:09,460 --> 02:57:17,780
page 34, the PDF. Page 34. All right, so okay, table 11 page 34.

1740
02:57:20,780 --> 02:57:23,000
So the three seconds are

1741
02:57:23,000 --> 02:57:26,420
goes to 4.8 seconds.

1742
02:57:29,180 --> 02:57:35,460
So that's an A. Okay, so that's an A. So let's look at the F. So let's

1743
02:57:35,460 --> 02:57:41,340
look at side-winder and current's boulevard, which is the third one down. It has F in parenthesis

1744
02:57:41,340 --> 02:57:48,920
greater than 50. Why do you stop at 50? 50 is the threshold for one. That's failing.

1745
02:57:52,600 --> 02:57:55,020
That's, this

1746
02:57:57,180 --> 02:58:08,020
it could be. It could be. I'd like to see that. I'd like to understand the magnitude of the impact in terms of seconds that this project is going to bring into this intersection.

1747
02:58:08,620 --> 02:58:22,680
Because just saying more than 50, I have a feeling it's going to be a lot more than 50, and I'd like to understand in terms of additional seconds impacting our community on these intersections. I think that will be helpful.

1748
02:58:22,680 --> 02:58:25,540
And maybe I'll be wrong, maybe it'll be 52.

1749
02:58:25,880 --> 02:58:26,920
I don't think it will be.

1750
02:58:27,140 --> 02:58:28,340
But I'd like to see that.

1751
02:58:28,420 --> 02:58:30,600
I think that'll help me in the community understand.

1752
02:58:31,240 --> 02:58:33,960
This could go from 50 seconds to 300 seconds,

1753
02:58:34,140 --> 02:58:36,120
and it should be something that's considered.

1754
02:58:37,000 --> 02:58:38,880
John, can I just piggyback on this?

1755
02:58:38,880 --> 02:58:39,620
Please, go ahead and.

1756
02:58:40,120 --> 02:58:42,760
So Scott, first of all, thank you for answering these questions.

1757
02:58:43,060 --> 02:58:44,020
We just lost our screen.

1758
02:58:44,120 --> 02:58:45,360
Can we get that back, please?

1759
02:58:47,540 --> 02:58:47,860
Hi, John.

1760
02:58:49,140 --> 02:58:49,960
I'll wait for a minute.

1761
02:58:50,460 --> 02:58:51,040
What's that?

1762
02:58:51,080 --> 02:58:51,760
I'll wait for a minute.

1763
02:58:51,760 --> 02:58:54,620
Because if I let you go first, I'm going to forget.

1764
02:58:57,840 --> 02:59:00,820
Looking at Bananza and Currence.

1765
02:59:01,760 --> 02:59:02,500
Morning peak.

1766
02:59:03,600 --> 02:59:06,280
31 seconds of delay coming in the time.

1767
02:59:06,340 --> 02:59:07,760
Is that how I read that?

1768
02:59:09,200 --> 02:59:11,900
Um, average delay per vehicle.

1769
02:59:12,140 --> 02:59:13,640
So not just people coming in the town that people

1770
02:59:13,640 --> 02:59:14,880
leaving town as well.

1771
02:59:15,500 --> 02:59:18,660
Oh, well, you know that we have an inflow and an outflow

1772
02:59:18,660 --> 02:59:20,160
depending on the time of the day.

1773
02:59:20,160 --> 02:59:26,040
if you've ever driven out of Park City from that intersection to go out to Home Depot at 8 in the morning

1774
02:59:26,040 --> 02:59:32,380
don't plan on coming back before 10 a.m. It is backed up all the way to Highway 40 and I would say

1775
02:59:32,380 --> 02:59:39,620
the delay is at least 15 minutes coming up. So you know I don't know if John's points if you're

1776
02:59:39,620 --> 02:59:45,700
able to provide the kind of information that we know anecdotably from living here for 35 years

1777
02:59:45,700 --> 02:59:53,400
But that's a miserable intersection in all but maybe between noon and 1.30 p.m.

1778
02:59:53,540 --> 02:59:57,600
Whether you're coming in the morning or leaving in the afternoon. So, you know, to back up

1779
02:59:57,600 --> 02:59:59,960
what John is saying, they'll label that as-

1780
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:13,000
See, as an intersection, it's, it's, I don't find it to be accurate, but you're, you're the P.E. not making. So any help.

1781
03:00:13,520 --> 03:00:14,940
That's just my comment. Sorry John.

1782
03:00:15,160 --> 03:00:21,840
Welcome John Roberts and city engineer. These are great questions. This is a very complicated project.

1783
03:00:22,440 --> 03:00:28,540
Traffic studies are very complicated and challenging. They take a lot of time for people to go to school to try to understand these things.

1784
03:00:28,540 --> 03:00:31,000
So totally understand, and so these are very active questions.

1785
03:00:32,280 --> 03:00:34,100
One clarification for Commissioner Frank Terrell,

1786
03:00:34,180 --> 03:00:36,780
I'd like to put on there is that I understand what you're asking

1787
03:00:36,780 --> 03:00:38,160
for, but we also need to understand

1788
03:00:38,160 --> 03:00:43,000
what the impact of the traffic from the project is to the new delay.

1789
03:00:43,500 --> 03:00:45,680
Because if we look in 2037, we'll also

1790
03:00:45,680 --> 03:00:48,040
a whole lot of traffic that's not coming from the development

1791
03:00:48,040 --> 03:00:49,660
that could be adding to the delay.

1792
03:00:50,680 --> 03:00:52,940
So to your point, I think it's a reasonable question

1793
03:00:52,940 --> 03:00:54,960
in your question, but we need to be clear that

1794
03:00:54,960 --> 03:00:55,680
this is what we're analyzing.

1795
03:00:55,780 --> 03:00:57,880
The impact of the project on the network.

1796
03:00:57,880 --> 03:01:04,060
We need to clarify this the delay caused by the project if I think it is and we need a basis

1797
03:01:04,060 --> 03:01:11,120
We need a baseline and then the project plus so there was a project plus call on my assume that's exactly the impact of this project

1798
03:01:11,120 --> 03:01:16,080
That's where you can so rather interesting greater than 50 I'd like it to say

1799
03:01:17,020 --> 03:01:22,780
I like whatever it is. Yeah, let's see it and see that we can understand

1800
03:01:22,780 --> 03:01:26,800
And we know it's greater than 50 I suspect it significantly

1801
03:01:27,860 --> 03:01:34,820
greater, the international, all of those appendices that you have but yes, knowing get totally

1802
03:01:34,820 --> 03:01:40,420
get it. And totally, and it's a reasonable question and good. Okay. Commissioner Shans. So

1803
03:01:40,420 --> 03:01:45,720
when a traffic study is prepared, we look at notes and in-between notes. And so we say,

1804
03:01:46,160 --> 03:01:51,440
well, it takes me 15 minutes to get back from Home Depot back through and through that intersection.

1805
03:01:51,440 --> 03:01:58,800
Well, we're not measuring the distance for that whole corridor to analyze that intersection,

1806
03:01:59,820 --> 03:02:05,960
We analyze between nodes, so we have a node, it's size-winder, the node at Bananason Currents,

1807
03:02:05,960 --> 03:02:06,020
right?

1808
03:02:06,120 --> 03:02:11,680
So, we look at the traffic in that area and how long it takes you to get from that point

1809
03:02:11,680 --> 03:02:19,240
to the next point, and so you're evaluating the whole network, and they also do queuing

1810
03:02:19,240 --> 03:02:20,800
analysis, which helps in that.

1811
03:02:20,800 --> 03:02:25,980
So I know I experience the same thing you do takes longer than 31 seconds to get through there

1812
03:02:25,980 --> 03:02:31,580
but remember 31 seconds your measuring is only between notes so from side-winder to get to

1813
03:02:31,580 --> 03:02:37,740
Benanza is that average delay they're looking at and it's actually the average delay on every movement

1814
03:02:37,740 --> 03:02:41,840
that's happening at that intersection to give you that letter grade.

1815
03:02:42,600 --> 03:02:46,880
So one might experience longer but there might be another one that's not as much.

1816
03:02:47,020 --> 03:02:49,380
So it's an average delay that they look at the intersection.

1817
03:02:49,380 --> 03:02:55,350
I get the, I get the, I get the no role analysis, um, but the, the reality is is that

1818
03:02:56,820 --> 03:03:01,600
because of that intersection and dear Valley Drive and Benanza has a little bit to do with, but

1819
03:03:01,600 --> 03:03:07,520
leaving for four months out of the year, leaving snowpark, and it's backed all the way up to

1820
03:03:07,520 --> 03:03:12,360
dear Valley Drive traffic circle. And they're keeping analysis shows a lot of those long cues that

1821
03:03:12,360 --> 03:03:19,300
you're talking about. Thank you. Thanks, sure. And just to clarify also on that, we add the delay

1822
03:03:19,380 --> 03:03:27,080
of the nodes. So it's not just between nodes, it's the delay on the through, like if you're doing

1823
03:03:27,080 --> 03:03:31,200
but Anza, all the intersections on an Anza, we add them to the signal, because the signals the one that's

1824
03:03:31,200 --> 03:03:31,980
causing the delay.

1825
03:03:34,140 --> 03:03:37,620
So very good questions. I think there's some easy things we can do to help point out

1826
03:03:37,620 --> 03:03:42,680
some of those questions that you're asking for. It's in there. I think Scott has said he can provide that

1827
03:03:42,680 --> 03:03:47,040
type of information in that matter. That would be great. And helpful. Thank you. Yeah, just want to make sure

1828
03:03:47,040 --> 03:03:51,680
was clear that we need to study the impact delay of the project

1829
03:03:51,680 --> 03:03:54,220
project, but not because of what's existing or understand.

1830
03:03:54,240 --> 03:03:55,820
Understood, thank you for the clarification.

1831
03:03:56,140 --> 03:03:56,980
Appreciate that.

1832
03:04:02,880 --> 03:04:07,470
Other comments on traffic and then after traffic

1833
03:04:07,470 --> 03:04:08,690
will jump into parking,

1834
03:04:12,080 --> 03:04:12,420
anyone?

1835
03:04:12,900 --> 03:04:13,740
Traffic traffic.

1836
03:04:14,000 --> 03:04:15,380
We have what we need.

1837
03:04:18,990 --> 03:04:19,730
I see lots of nodding.

1838
03:04:20,790 --> 03:04:23,450
So then, I get the parking one.

1839
03:04:29,150 --> 03:04:29,810
Anyone want to first?

1840
03:04:30,170 --> 03:04:31,710
I mean, again, I don't get to vote.

1841
03:04:31,710 --> 03:04:41,230
But I still feel that I understand the point of your increased parking spaces.

1842
03:04:42,130 --> 03:04:46,970
But I think in general, it still goes against what Park City is trying to do.

1843
03:04:47,750 --> 03:04:55,980
And I don't think it helps to increase your modal shift in transportation.

1844
03:04:55,980 --> 03:05:03,980
So, I personally would like to see the parking reduction from what you guys currently have.

1845
03:05:05,780 --> 03:05:13,900
As the staff has presented, and I think as we've talked about, I understand why, but I, again,

1846
03:05:14,000 --> 03:05:21,060
I think adding those extra spots contributes more to parking on the facility and not lending itself to

1847
03:05:21,060 --> 03:05:25,220
multi-modal transportation use around the development,

1848
03:05:25,660 --> 03:05:27,680
but I'll turn it back to the rest of the commissioners

1849
03:05:27,680 --> 03:05:29,860
and we can jump into that.

1850
03:05:33,420 --> 03:05:37,260
So I don't have a problem with the parking.

1851
03:05:37,860 --> 03:05:40,400
I think to support the businesses that you're proposing,

1852
03:05:40,620 --> 03:05:42,140
you're gonna need the parking there.

1853
03:05:42,640 --> 03:05:47,680
The problem is in my analysis is the added traffic

1854
03:05:47,680 --> 03:05:48,720
that's gonna happen.

1855
03:05:48,720 --> 03:05:55,560
So, on one hand, I think you need 280 spaces to accommodate the residents and the commercial

1856
03:05:55,560 --> 03:06:01,900
space, but they're in-wise the problem is it's going to generate over 1,200 new trips.

1857
03:06:02,860 --> 03:06:07,040
And I think I know we're getting back to traffic, but I think that that is part of the

1858
03:06:07,040 --> 03:06:07,200
problem.

1859
03:06:07,380 --> 03:06:12,760
And maybe that speaks to what Commissioner Van Dyne is saying is that by having the 280 spaces

1860
03:06:12,760 --> 03:06:20,780
you're going to bring this extra extra trust. It's a tough problem, so.

1861
03:06:21,760 --> 03:06:27,140
Yeah, I was coming out at a similar place as you kind of, you need to separate, do we have

1862
03:06:27,140 --> 03:06:31,740
the, is this fit for purpose? Do we have enough parking to fit the purpose? That's question one.

1863
03:06:32,180 --> 03:06:36,340
Now, once we've built this thing, what's the effect on traffic? And so I thought I understood

1864
03:06:36,340 --> 03:06:42,520
this better last time this time, but it seemed to me that the big spread between the the code

1865
03:06:42,520 --> 03:06:43,980
minimums of what was being proposed.

1866
03:06:44,220 --> 03:06:47,920
A lot of that was around the open space area

1867
03:06:47,920 --> 03:06:50,620
and the arts, because generally, the code

1868
03:06:50,620 --> 03:06:52,200
doesn't require very many of those.

1869
03:06:52,420 --> 03:06:55,400
So if we are really going to say, hey, this is actually

1870
03:06:55,400 --> 03:06:57,800
an arts space, and it really isn't

1871
03:06:57,800 --> 03:06:59,260
a open space people are going to use.

1872
03:06:59,680 --> 03:07:01,600
We've got to have parking for that group.

1873
03:07:01,960 --> 03:07:04,420
And I think that was the main spread from memory.

1874
03:07:04,920 --> 03:07:07,180
It was more complicated as we dug into it this time,

1875
03:07:07,180 --> 03:07:08,220
but that's how I understood it.

1876
03:07:08,620 --> 03:07:10,980
So I say, look, I think you do need those parking,

1877
03:07:10,980 --> 03:07:13,240
But then that has groundifications afterwards.

1878
03:07:20,100 --> 03:07:25,200
I concur that the parking or at least that underground space will be needed.

1879
03:07:27,760 --> 03:07:29,000
I think it can be conditions.

1880
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:51,680
To make those specific parking spaces reserved for things like live share vehicles or kind of rent on demand vehicles that a part main renters can check out just some kind of alternative.

1881
03:07:53,380 --> 03:08:04,300
transportation use that will contribute to, you know, reducing some of the traffic that this project will generate.

1882
03:08:05,500 --> 03:08:08,180
But I do think the spaces are needed.

1883
03:08:09,800 --> 03:08:16,860
I would like to see a better plan to condition them for certain uses.

1884
03:08:23,170 --> 03:08:31,870
Yeah, I don't have really much to add except that, you know, the additional number of spaces is probably going to be needed since.

1885
03:08:32,910 --> 03:08:40,130
If it is built and people do come there, they're going to need to place the park and they can't find it in that underground parking lot.

1886
03:08:40,290 --> 03:08:52,570
They're going to try to park on the street on Monchkin or they're going to even worse they're going to drive around looking for an alternative place to park which just exacerbates the traffic problem.

1887
03:08:52,570 --> 03:08:59,010
on. So in terms of the additional number of spaces, I think it's required, whether it has

1888
03:08:59,010 --> 03:09:06,210
secondary effects that can or can't be mitigated. I'm still not sure yet, but the extra spaces

1889
03:09:06,210 --> 03:09:08,430
seem to make logical sense.

1890
03:09:11,260 --> 03:09:15,160
I agree with my fellow commissioners that 200-naked spaces I always

1891
03:09:15,940 --> 03:09:23,600
thought was going to be very challenging to satisfy the demand that this project is going to create

1892
03:09:23,600 --> 03:09:36,060
280 seems more reasonable, it was surprised that some of the other studies say we need almost 400

1893
03:09:36,060 --> 03:09:45,940
stalls, the ITE study that numbers shock me, but I don't think it's, I find it that maybe is

1894
03:09:45,940 --> 03:09:53,580
taking into other things into consideration. So I as well, I don't consider 200

1895
03:09:53,580 --> 03:10:00,200
need to be excessive. I know it's been referred to as overparking because the city code only requires

1896
03:10:00,200 --> 03:10:06,360
to await. I don't like my fellow commissioners. I don't see that as overparking. I see that as

1897
03:10:06,360 --> 03:10:16,180
as a reasonable number of spaces for the project. However, it's going to feed into what we

1898
03:10:16,180 --> 03:10:25,100
already discussed, which is the traffic problem. And so, it's still going to be a concern in a challenge

1899
03:10:25,100 --> 03:10:34,140
with the 280 parking, it's sufficient, but likely going to exacerbate the traffic problem.

1900
03:10:39,840 --> 03:10:43,560
Anyone have anything else they need for parking and traffic before the next meeting?

1901
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:52,480
Sustainability? Yeah, well, NAND's going back to the slide that has that question.

1902
03:10:52,480 --> 03:10:59,560
Siliu Peterson is here with the sustainability team to answer any questions you had upon your review at the staff report.

1903
03:11:00,260 --> 03:11:09,720
The project is proposing high energy efficiency, the other electric design power source from renewables, water efficient plumbing fixtures and water wise landscaping,

1904
03:11:10,760 --> 03:11:12,420
as well as high efficiency heat pumps.

1905
03:11:13,180 --> 03:11:15,460
So, silica, I don't know if you have anything to add or.

1906
03:11:16,780 --> 03:11:34,440
I think you covered at the three criteria for energy that we're really trying to promote is energy efficiency, which this project incorporating the enterprise green communities 26 version hits that mark for us, we're happy to see that.

1907
03:11:34,440 --> 03:11:42,620
on the second criteria, so high efficiency, that's one, the second criteria is no onsite combustion,

1908
03:11:43,020 --> 03:11:47,760
so by committing to all electric, we're happy with that. The third criteria is powered by

1909
03:11:47,760 --> 03:11:53,640
all renewables, and being all electric with the community renewable project that we're working,

1910
03:11:54,120 --> 03:12:01,540
so 100% of citywide electricity would be supplied by net zero renewable electricity.

1911
03:12:01,540 --> 03:12:09,560
it would hit that. We've also concurrently been running a project to explore energy heating cooling

1912
03:12:09,560 --> 03:12:15,460
systems at district scale that would make use of waste heat, for example, from the waste water

1913
03:12:16,080 --> 03:12:22,660
system. We can harvest heat out of that to heat pavement as well as buildings.

1914
03:12:23,480 --> 03:12:29,080
But as Alex mentioned, the high efficiency heat pumps are a great addition to this project that

1915
03:12:29,080 --> 03:12:35,360
we're happy to see to ensure that cost day low for residents, and we're not burning extra

1916
03:12:35,360 --> 03:12:43,400
fossil fuels. Are you seeking any level of lead certification on this project or is that just

1917
03:12:43,400 --> 03:12:49,340
going to be a byproduct of all the energy saving methods? We're not asking for any sort of lead

1918
03:12:49,340 --> 03:12:54,440
certification. I think the enterprise green communities is something comparable to that. So that's

1919
03:12:54,440 --> 03:12:59,540
that's specifically for affordable housing. So that's we're very happy to see that.

1920
03:13:02,420 --> 03:13:06,460
And then on top of that, I mean, tied in with that. Like, appliances will all be energy star.

1921
03:13:06,640 --> 03:13:11,860
So they're really considering making the unit is efficient as possible, which,

1922
03:13:12,060 --> 03:13:18,340
yeah, when you're doing all electric, we want to like make it affordable for people and they've got a good plan for all of that.

1923
03:13:18,340 --> 03:13:33,640
any plan for a compost that I don't think that we've talked about in having recycling like they're considering recycling and that's composting is part of that.

1924
03:13:34,000 --> 03:13:38,320
I don't think that there's any thought about having on-site composting,

1925
03:13:38,320 --> 03:13:44,000
kind of being part of the broader recycling composting that we've been trying to

1926
03:13:44,000 --> 03:13:51,080
work on for several years now by having dedicated recycling spots will help with composting

1927
03:13:51,080 --> 03:13:56,000
if that's what makes sense for that place. Great.

1928
03:13:58,640 --> 03:14:02,160
So I have a question for you. Thanks for attending

1929
03:14:02,160 --> 03:14:11,620
this evening. The grass. The open space is 2.1 acres of open space. How much of that is grass?

1930
03:14:12,360 --> 03:14:16,700
And is it real grass? And it will need to be watered in how much water do we think that's going to take?

1931
03:14:17,060 --> 03:14:24,280
I don't think we've gotten that far. There will be open space obviously. And part of the plan is water-wise

1932
03:14:25,180 --> 03:14:29,820
landscaping. I don't know what that looks like at this point though. So water-wise is definitely

1933
03:14:29,820 --> 03:14:38,980
part of the plan. So I guess sorry this at this point in our schematic design level on landscape.

1934
03:14:39,780 --> 03:14:49,180
The question became how much of this development is active sprinkler turf. All right,

1935
03:14:49,420 --> 03:14:56,340
how much is grass? Yeah. And the limit of right now in Park City is it can't be more than 20%

1936
03:14:56,340 --> 03:14:59,980
We ask our landscape architects to come.

1937
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:12,650
month with a calculation. He said that sprinkler, turf grass is 14%. And the rest is more passive, native landscaping,

1938
03:15:13,190 --> 03:15:20,810
more landscaping you walk by and look at, not that you run around in. So it's a, it's a big distribution.

1939
03:15:20,990 --> 03:15:26,630
And we tried to show that in the percentages that we broke down on how the property is being used.

1940
03:15:26,630 --> 03:15:43,410
Because you want a balance of the native turf and sort of the passive landscape, active landscape, and then some paved areas where you concrete areas where you can do like food trucks and all that.

1941
03:15:43,550 --> 03:15:48,850
So we did a percentage breakdown where we could you could show all that on one of the exhibits there.

1942
03:15:49,350 --> 03:15:53,950
Okay, all I dig through that. I'll find that exhibit. But thanks for the the update.

1943
03:15:56,530 --> 03:16:01,530
So any other information that Commissioner's need for sustainable design?

1944
03:16:05,350 --> 03:16:08,050
All right. Anything else for this evening?

1945
03:16:09,470 --> 03:16:10,750
Thank you. It's all for us. Thank you.

1946
03:16:10,830 --> 03:16:12,270
All right. Thank you very so much.

1947
03:16:12,610 --> 03:16:12,910
Yes, please.

1948
03:16:12,910 --> 03:16:18,210
My ask your question is when we were working with the city council,

1949
03:16:18,370 --> 03:16:22,330
there was a little more back and forth than it wasn't quite as rigorous as this.

1950
03:16:22,790 --> 03:16:26,130
So am I allowed to ask your opinion about a couple things?

1951
03:16:26,130 --> 03:16:29,490
Yeah, of course. Okay. So

1952
03:16:31,730 --> 03:16:57,310
when we talk about building heights there's a couple ways to think about it and one is there's some number and to me the 1212 pitches when you just consider the number of the height of that pitch that's not really the height of the building height of the building is 12 feet lower than that where the parapet is and those are sort of incremental and there's basically one large one on each building.

1953
03:16:57,310 --> 03:17:23,070
The other way you think about it is how many stories is it, and we have five, three story buildings and one four story building, in terms of your concerns with height, which is more concerning, the fourth floor, or the cable, either the cable.

1954
03:17:25,570 --> 03:17:32,710
jump in people feet hi not stories I mean I'm sorry what feet number of feet it's

1955
03:17:32,710 --> 03:17:37,590
not well you can make it a one story building but it's got to be below 35 feet

1956
03:17:37,590 --> 03:17:42,670
you know you're putting 12 feet clear on the first level to accommodate your retail

1957
03:17:43,370 --> 03:17:49,590
and then you're going 10 over 10 feet to create a nine foot clear for that other story so

1958
03:17:49,590 --> 03:17:54,530
Stories are irrelevant. It's feet. It's a it's a slight line interference.

1959
03:17:55,890 --> 03:17:56,450
Okay.

1960
03:17:58,880 --> 03:18:03,880
Yeah, I think that's again, that comes down to the land management code. So the land management

1961
03:18:03,880 --> 03:18:09,920
code speaks in feet. And so that's where we look at it. And I mean, you heard the comments, we've

1962
03:18:09,920 --> 03:18:14,800
had other projects come through where it's that same thing. We're not looking at how many stories

1963
03:18:14,800 --> 03:18:21,260
we're looking at feet over. And when we start looking at things that are 20 feet over

1964
03:18:22,380 --> 03:18:28,300
Even 15 feet, 15, 20 feet over what are already exception is.

1965
03:18:28,860 --> 03:18:40,580
So for 45 feet for an AMPD and then we have exceptions for another 10 to 15 feet above that that starts getting hard for us to justify within the land management code.

1966
03:18:40,600 --> 03:18:50,400
While we have our criteria, we also have to make sure that we're getting the right balance for the community within the land management code for that.

1967
03:18:50,400 --> 03:18:55,600
So it is difficult. It's a difficult thing to weigh because I would say a lot of the commissioners

1968
03:18:55,600 --> 03:19:02,160
probably agree that the 12 12 pitches look better. But when we're starting to look at 55 plus

1969
03:19:02,160 --> 03:19:09,580
feet of height when the land management code says 35 feet for that zone, that's a stretch.

1970
03:19:11,300 --> 03:19:17,640
So we wish it was in stories of probably would make our lives easier. But it's not it's in feet.

1971
03:19:18,340 --> 03:19:33,640
And then my next question was the idea and the small area plan that you could trade off providing community benefit for additional high through additional density, we're not asking for additional density.

1972
03:19:34,840 --> 03:19:37,860
Do you see that as influencing your thinking about this?

1973
03:19:41,300 --> 03:19:43,520
Could you repeat that question again?

1974
03:19:43,520 --> 03:20:13,260
It's, like, been in the park how we were doing, we made those criteria for more height for that community benefit. So, like, remember, like, the underground parking, the increased park space. And while we haven't, it was exactly, but that's what they have been kind of building towards even though that code hasn't passed. But I, is that, yeah, some of your question. Yeah, literally, we were sort of working within the policy.

1975
03:20:13,520 --> 03:20:19,940
of trying to provide mixed use, vertical mixed use, in exchange, and getting some additional

1976
03:20:19,940 --> 03:20:24,240
height and exchange for providing community benefit, which was sort of the thrust of the

1977
03:20:24,240 --> 03:20:26,460
Banan's park small area plan.

1978
03:20:29,020 --> 03:20:36,440
So the other way to think about it though is providing that additional 30% of open space, we

1979
03:20:36,440 --> 03:20:39,960
could do that because we were stacking the building up.

1980
03:20:39,960 --> 03:20:42,760
So there's just some thoughts.

1981
03:20:44,340 --> 03:20:50,920
And part of the conversation is just sort of thinking through what we want to come back with next.

1982
03:20:52,380 --> 03:21:01,680
For me, so you have seven buildings on the site and currently they're all proposed to be over the height limit.

1983
03:21:03,380 --> 03:21:15,720
2 and 3 are directly in the site lines that are the FPZ is trying to protect and so, you know,

1984
03:21:15,780 --> 03:21:24,600
if the gavels on those were reduced, I'd like to see what happens to the design of the building.

1985
03:21:24,600 --> 03:21:34,720
for building 4, 5, 6 and 1. Maybe it's okay to have higher gables. I don't know, I haven't

1986
03:21:34,720 --> 03:21:40,800
seen the design yet. So I would like to see kind of a combination of different creative

1987
03:21:40,800 --> 03:21:46,480
ways to reduce the height on the buildings that will most affect the view lines,

1988
03:22:04,850 --> 03:22:04,850
which

1989
03:22:04,850 --> 03:22:16,990
No, I mean, a flag, we're not even remotely close to it, but we're going to get down to the MPD test, which is 17 points, and the 16th point there is about essentially goes to materiality.

1990
03:22:18,050 --> 03:22:29,870
You know, you could see sort of a little bit where I'm going is I don't mind a little bit more high to get some of the fits within the historic district and the fifth point of the sixth test explicitly allows that and it's

1991
03:22:30,000 --> 03:22:35,860
The drafting clearly indicates that this is an area where you can't get a bit more height. Now, should it be this much height? That's a different thing.

1992
03:22:36,280 --> 03:22:39,800
But the reason why I'm interested in it is because it's a benefit with a historic district.

1993
03:22:40,200 --> 03:22:49,420
Fast forward to the MPD test section 16 of that, that goes to all materiality. So I'm going to want to look at, okay, these stepbacks, they're only about two foot stepbacks.

1994
03:22:49,500 --> 03:22:58,320
So they real stepbacks to provide real articulation there. What's the siding material actually look like? At the end of the day, I want to see that, you know, I can satisfy point 16.

1995
03:22:58,320 --> 03:23:03,420
and this is actually a good fit for a start town. It's kind of the other side of the coin.

1996
03:23:03,620 --> 03:23:09,700
If you want some more height on those gables, which I think is arguable, you're going to have to also

1997
03:23:09,700 --> 03:23:14,380
address the exterior as well. I know it went up to that, but it will come up. So it'd be interesting

1998
03:23:14,380 --> 03:23:18,000
to understand what that material is like, but you know, when across these other bridges first.

1999
03:23:20,200 --> 03:23:27,980
Rebecca, I have a question. We keep referencing the six points to qualify a CUP, but in the LMC,

2000
03:23:28,320 --> 03:23:38,380
section 15.2.20-4, lot in site requirements, says that any construction activity, including

2001
03:23:38,380 --> 03:23:43,320
permanent signs, in the setback area between 30 feet and 100 feet, from the nearest right

2002
03:23:43,320 --> 03:23:52,020
of wayline, in the FPC, is subject to all applicable review criteria as stated in section 15-1-10.

2003
03:23:52,240 --> 03:23:55,520
That's about 17 criteria, and not just six.

2004
03:23:55,520 --> 03:24:01,980
Yeah, those 17 criteria, it's the parking, it's the traffic, it's all of those things.

2005
03:24:02,300 --> 03:24:08,820
As far as the design and the height within the front-age protections are in fact, the physical

2006
03:24:08,820 --> 03:24:11,380
massing the architectural detailing, yes.

2007
03:24:16,650 --> 03:24:20,210
So I'd like to echo Commissioner Shand, it's the feed.

2008
03:24:20,750 --> 03:24:28,530
So if you want some suggestions, the nine feet, the residential's, I would sketch Saturday feed.

2009
03:24:28,530 --> 03:24:36,050
I mean, I'm just saying, like, it's the feet, that's the issue, the commercial, if you're

2010
03:24:36,050 --> 03:24:43,070
at 12, you got to look at 10, you know, like it's the only way it's going to get me and it sounds

2011
03:24:43,070 --> 03:24:49,390
like maybe some of my other commissioners more comfortable with the height. We're not, we're not

2012
03:24:49,390 --> 03:24:55,050
underestimating the benefits that are being granted. It's not lost on us that you're providing

2013
03:24:55,050 --> 03:25:01,810
twice the open space. That's the really strongest point of your project. And we're not ignoring

2014
03:25:01,810 --> 03:25:12,450
that, but we're also concerned about how high some of these buildings are getting. So I would

2015
03:25:12,450 --> 03:25:20,590
suggest coming back with less feet totally in this structure. And if you don't think the project,

2016
03:25:20,590 --> 03:25:23,990
If you don't think you can rent eight feet residential,

2017
03:25:24,750 --> 03:25:26,130
you know, that's a business decision.

2018
03:25:26,290 --> 03:25:28,090
If you don't think you can rent 10 foot commercials,

2019
03:25:28,810 --> 03:25:32,530
that's a business decision, but it's just too high

2020
03:25:32,530 --> 03:25:35,350
at the moment, given versus the benefits,

2021
03:25:35,690 --> 03:25:38,070
it doesn't outweigh the benefits currently

2022
03:25:38,590 --> 03:25:41,090
do not outweigh the feet that's being proposed.

2023
03:25:41,330 --> 03:25:43,490
I think that's maybe a way to summarize.

2024
03:25:48,410 --> 03:25:52,010
Yeah, it's feet and I've got a challenge

2025
03:25:52,010 --> 03:25:53,910
with the open space, too.

2026
03:25:53,910 --> 03:25:56,870
You can't see it.

2027
03:25:56,870 --> 03:25:58,510
It's totally blocked from the road.

2028
03:25:59,010 --> 03:26:03,750
Only the person stopped at a stop light in traffic is going to be able to peep through

2029
03:26:03,750 --> 03:26:06,230
the portals and see the open space.

2030
03:26:06,570 --> 03:26:10,150
And if they see anything at the point, they're going to look right at another building.

2031
03:26:10,790 --> 03:26:14,250
The open space is only really available on the open end.

2032
03:26:15,530 --> 03:26:21,770
And if it was a municipal building or something like that, people may be inclined to use it.

2033
03:26:21,770 --> 03:26:30,630
but it's private property, there's 88 plus 12 residential units there, and they're going to

2034
03:26:30,630 --> 03:26:38,710
be using that space, not the public. So I mean, I admire that the 60% is just misproportioned

2035
03:26:38,710 --> 03:26:41,610
or misallocated in my opinion.

2036
03:26:44,270 --> 03:26:48,870
Okay, we got to wrap this one up for tonight. Is there anything else

2037
03:26:48,870 --> 03:26:53,770
we can get you guys for right now? I think we have what we need. Thank you. Okay, so do we have

2038
03:26:53,770 --> 03:27:02,470
motion to continue to August 26 both the application and the public hearing.

2039
03:27:06,500 --> 03:27:09,700
So moved. Second. Second.

2040
03:27:10,020 --> 03:27:13,020
All right, we have a motion by Commissioner for Ontario, second by Commissioner Shanda,

2041
03:27:13,140 --> 03:27:13,860
all those in favor.

2042
03:27:14,320 --> 03:27:14,420
Hi.

2043
03:27:16,100 --> 03:27:16,780
Motion passes.

2044
03:27:17,300 --> 03:27:18,060
Thank you, guys.

2045
03:27:26,580 --> 03:27:27,780
All right.

2046
03:27:27,780 --> 03:27:31,180
and a mid-mounted trailhead conditionally use permit.

2047
03:27:34,810 --> 03:27:41,690
I will go ahead and say now that we're going to continue the work session, Rebecca, sorry.

2048
03:27:43,950 --> 03:27:46,850
And we'll get through as many of these as we can.

2049
03:27:48,940 --> 03:27:55,340
Thank you. This conditional use permit for the mid-mounted trailhead improvements was originally

2050
03:27:55,340 --> 03:28:01,340
can see just a bit of the summit along approval in March 2022. The Planning Commission approved

2051
03:28:01,340 --> 03:28:06,540
a conditional use permit for these improvements in 2024. Since then there have been two

2052
03:28:06,540 --> 03:28:11,320
extensions to the conditionally use permit request as well as a modification to accommodate a

2053
03:28:11,320 --> 03:28:17,580
bus stop. The applicant is requesting an additional minor extension because the work for the

2054
03:28:17,580 --> 03:28:23,960
trailhead improvements is not quite finished. This photo was taken two days ago on Monday and shows

2055
03:28:23,960 --> 03:28:25,960
the condition at that time.

2056
03:28:26,260 --> 03:28:29,000
And here's the photo from this afternoon

2057
03:28:29,940 --> 03:28:31,180
showing that the condition.

2058
03:28:31,640 --> 03:28:33,600
And so the staff is recommending a minor extension

2059
03:28:33,600 --> 03:28:36,900
or acquiring final project completion by no later than August 30.

2060
03:28:38,020 --> 03:28:40,900
Doug Oblevious here, the applicant, if you have any questions.

2061
03:28:41,840 --> 03:28:42,620
Doug, what is next?

2062
03:28:42,620 --> 03:28:44,080
When is it actually going to be done?

2063
03:28:45,100 --> 03:28:46,360
It'll be open to Park tomorrow.

2064
03:28:48,740 --> 03:28:52,320
So we still have, we've got a little landscape work to do.

2065
03:28:52,360 --> 03:28:54,300
We've got some signage to put up.

2066
03:28:54,300 --> 03:28:59,340
We've got to put a safety barrier fence between the mid-mount trail and the top of the retaining wall.

2067
03:28:59,980 --> 03:29:03,200
That trail has been in service for a couple of weeks now.

2068
03:29:03,520 --> 03:29:06,760
We fine-tuned it and then we fine-tuned it to make it better.

2069
03:29:08,800 --> 03:29:11,400
So those barriers should come down tomorrow.

2070
03:29:12,080 --> 03:29:16,220
So the public should be able to park in the parking lot tomorrow.

2071
03:29:16,820 --> 03:29:19,980
So we're here to beg for forgiveness as opposed to request an extension.

2072
03:29:19,980 --> 03:29:22,260
All right.

2073
03:29:22,560 --> 03:29:22,920
Uh-huh.

2074
03:29:22,940 --> 03:29:23,780
Sounds like a little bit of both.

2075
03:29:23,960 --> 03:29:24,640
Yeah, Eddie.

2076
03:29:25,060 --> 03:29:26,140
Any clarifying questions?

2077
03:29:26,960 --> 03:29:27,000
All right.

2078
03:29:27,100 --> 03:29:31,560
We're going to open the public hearing for item 5b, mid-mountain trail extension.

2079
03:29:32,020 --> 03:29:33,600
Condition to the couldn't initial use permit.

2080
03:29:33,680 --> 03:29:37,320
Anyone who wishes to speak, set forward and chambers or raise your hand on zoom.

2081
03:29:38,780 --> 03:29:40,300
I'm assuming no hands on zoom.

2082
03:29:40,420 --> 03:29:41,940
There is a hand from the mark.

2083
03:29:42,480 --> 03:29:44,300
There is a hand from us.

2084
03:29:44,680 --> 03:29:45,160
Mark Harrington.

2085
03:29:45,840 --> 03:29:46,600
Just says mark.

2086
03:29:47,220 --> 03:29:47,400
Oh.

2087
03:29:47,880 --> 03:29:48,680
Go ahead Mark.

2088
03:29:53,010 --> 03:29:54,690
Okay, you've been promoted Mark.

2089
03:29:57,780 --> 03:29:58,700
Can you hear me?

2090
03:29:59,180 --> 03:29:59,980
We can, high marks.

2091
03:30:00,110 --> 03:30:12,450
A mark for sure here. I'm the only reason I publicly commenting is this gentleman and his team has a historic 20-year record of misrepresenting what they're doing for the community.

2092
03:30:13,430 --> 03:30:27,810
Going all the way back to one twisted branch road was supposed to be a public road versus the unsafe 15 road that they're now enjoying, because the road has been piled up so they can put more infrastructure under it.

2093
03:30:27,810 --> 03:30:34,290
So I just wanted to put on the public record that in the event that this is not open to the

2094
03:30:34,290 --> 03:30:40,430
public by midnight tomorrow, I believe they should be shut down. And I have nothing against

2095
03:30:40,430 --> 03:30:46,370
a mother than the fact that they just consistently have misled the public for the last 15 years

2096
03:30:46,370 --> 03:30:53,630
as it relates to making twisted branch road, a public road, a safe road to the top of the mountain.

2097
03:30:53,630 --> 03:30:56,810
And I hope someday they'll wake up and do that.

2098
03:30:57,190 --> 03:30:58,550
So thank you.

2099
03:30:58,550 --> 03:31:00,170
Thank you for your comments, Mark.

2100
03:31:00,790 --> 03:31:01,870
Any other questions?

2101
03:31:02,770 --> 03:31:03,350
They're not.

2102
03:31:03,850 --> 03:31:04,130
All right.

2103
03:31:04,390 --> 03:31:06,630
Seeing no one in chambers, I will close public comments.

2104
03:31:07,850 --> 03:31:10,810
And it looks like the commissioners for any other comments or a motion.

2105
03:31:11,270 --> 03:31:12,030
I have a quick question.

2106
03:31:12,350 --> 03:31:14,770
Is this certificate of occupancy pending?

2107
03:31:15,570 --> 03:31:19,770
No, this certificate of occupancy will likely be in the new year next year.

2108
03:31:19,770 --> 03:31:25,950
But our original, our original conditions of approval required us to complete this parking lot sometime ago.

2109
03:31:27,930 --> 03:31:31,110
So we did do some redesign and request the city last fall.

2110
03:31:31,310 --> 03:31:35,970
So we did not get the retaining walls in last fall and it definitely turned out to be more works

2111
03:31:35,970 --> 03:31:37,810
and we anticipated getting it done this spring.

2112
03:31:38,210 --> 03:31:41,030
But we have been diligently pursuing it this spring and summer.

2113
03:31:41,570 --> 03:31:44,050
Okay, so this isn't the last item you need to get there certificate.

2114
03:31:44,230 --> 03:31:45,710
You have other items that you need to do.

2115
03:31:45,710 --> 03:31:46,970
We have a lot of work to do so.

2116
03:31:47,390 --> 03:31:47,470
Okay.

2117
03:31:47,670 --> 03:31:48,870
Thank you for that clarification.

2118
03:31:48,870 --> 03:31:50,530
I didn't know more questions.

2119
03:31:53,230 --> 03:31:53,530
Motion.

2120
03:31:55,740 --> 03:31:56,100
Good morning.

2121
03:31:58,730 --> 03:31:59,490
Chair Van Dine.

2122
03:31:59,570 --> 03:32:09,370
I'd like to make a motion to extend the required completion date for the mid-mount trailhead from June 30th to August 30th, 2026.

2123
03:32:14,350 --> 03:32:15,370
Based on the findings of that.

2124
03:32:15,530 --> 03:32:16,010
Can you please respond?

2125
03:32:16,610 --> 03:32:18,810
We have a motion for that.

2126
03:32:18,890 --> 03:32:19,210
That's right.

2127
03:32:19,270 --> 03:32:19,990
We have a motion for that.

2128
03:32:20,270 --> 03:32:20,830
We have a motion for that.

2129
03:32:20,830 --> 03:32:21,310
Motion passes.

2130
03:32:21,310 --> 03:32:23,130
until soon all of us in favor.

2131
03:32:23,270 --> 03:32:23,970
All right.

2132
03:32:24,490 --> 03:32:25,530
Motion passes.

2133
03:32:26,310 --> 03:32:26,490
Doug.

2134
03:32:26,670 --> 03:32:27,430
Thank you.

2135
03:32:28,790 --> 03:32:29,230
And thank you.

2136
03:32:29,370 --> 03:32:31,490
The community for your patience on this, but I think you're going to

2137
03:32:31,490 --> 03:32:35,010
find it a much, much better experience than the, uh, that which we removed.

2138
03:32:35,650 --> 03:32:35,890
All right.

2139
03:32:36,150 --> 03:32:36,550
Thanks Doug.

2140
03:32:37,830 --> 03:32:38,110
All right.

2141
03:32:38,570 --> 03:32:40,430
Move to item five C.

2142
03:32:40,450 --> 03:32:43,310
Ten Ten Woodside Avenue conditional use permits.

2143
03:33:12,240 --> 03:33:12,900
All right.

2144
03:33:12,960 --> 03:33:13,920
Good evening commissioners.

2145
03:33:13,960 --> 03:33:15,040
This is Planner's Allanger.

2146
03:33:16,000 --> 03:33:19,760
Um, and we are looking at Ten Ten Woodside Avenue and Tenilman Park Avenue.

2147
03:33:19,760 --> 03:33:24,920
Commissionaries permit. We have the applicant representative Colenite and the applicant

2148
03:33:24,920 --> 03:33:29,420
Brian Wong here. If there any questions, I'll go through a brief presentation.

2149
03:33:30,300 --> 03:33:37,860
It's if they have anything to add. So 1010 coincide and 1011 Park Avenue was a combined

2150
03:33:37,860 --> 03:33:41,980
platinum and approved by the Planning Commission in May of this year. It's in the

2151
03:33:41,980 --> 03:33:46,960
store of residential one zoning district. 1010 coincide Avenue is a landmark historic site.

2152
03:33:46,960 --> 03:33:50,020
And it is proposed to be an accessory apartment.

2153
03:33:50,520 --> 03:33:55,240
Ten-eleven Park Avenue, as you can see in the image on the right, is currently vacant.

2154
03:33:55,900 --> 03:34:02,360
How do the applicants begin to construct a single family dwelling to which the land-market structure would become an accessory apartment?

2155
03:34:04,260 --> 03:34:14,200
On July 1st of this year, the Historic Preservation Board approved the lifting of the Historic structure to accommodate a basement and foundation upgrades for the Historic structure.

2156
03:34:14,200 --> 03:34:21,640
And the applicant is proposing to construct that basement beneath the structure, which partially falls within the front and side setbacks.

2157
03:34:22,120 --> 03:34:26,920
The existing historic structure encourages in different insights at back and partially answer the property.

2158
03:34:27,640 --> 03:34:33,080
Those portions are all outlined by different colors on the image to the right here.

2159
03:34:33,940 --> 03:34:42,420
The blue portion is in the north side setback, the yellow portions in the front setback, the orange portions in the south side setback,

2160
03:34:42,420 --> 03:34:45,420
And the red portion is the portion of the stock structure

2161
03:34:45,420 --> 03:34:47,300
that encroaches onto the southern property

2162
03:34:47,300 --> 03:34:49,040
for which the applicant has an encouragement

2163
03:34:49,040 --> 03:34:51,660
for and just to clarify,

2164
03:34:51,840 --> 03:34:53,080
this proposed basement edition

2165
03:34:53,080 --> 03:34:55,040
will be entirely within the property lines.

2166
03:34:55,400 --> 03:34:57,880
So there will be no basement edition crossing property lines

2167
03:34:57,880 --> 03:35:00,900
or in that red portion shown on the screen here.

2168
03:35:03,420 --> 03:35:05,940
Just a couple additional images to clarify.

2169
03:35:06,520 --> 03:35:08,780
Showed an orange is that portion that encroaches

2170
03:35:08,780 --> 03:35:12,560
into the south side setback, blues, the north side setback

2171
03:35:12,560 --> 03:35:14,440
and yellow is the front step back.

2172
03:35:16,690 --> 03:35:20,490
Land Management Code Section 15-2.2-4 outlines

2173
03:35:20,490 --> 03:35:22,410
that the planning commission may grant an exception

2174
03:35:22,410 --> 03:35:25,410
to the building step back, stands for additional historic

2175
03:35:25,410 --> 03:35:28,110
building's interstructures with the following findings.

2176
03:35:28,250 --> 03:35:29,990
Upon approval of a conditionally use permit,

2177
03:35:30,130 --> 03:35:31,810
which is what we are here today to review.

2178
03:35:32,630 --> 03:35:34,130
And when the scale of the addition is compatible

2179
03:35:34,130 --> 03:35:35,690
with historic building and architecture,

2180
03:35:36,330 --> 03:35:37,890
when the addition comprises that the position

2181
03:35:37,890 --> 03:35:39,930
set this chapter, when the addition comprises

2182
03:35:39,930 --> 03:35:41,350
the adopted building fire codes,

2183
03:35:41,430 --> 03:35:42,590
and when the addition and comprises

2184
03:35:42,590 --> 03:35:45,350
with the design guidelines for historic district and historic sites.

2185
03:35:45,870 --> 03:35:49,310
I don't end in the staff report staff finds that the proposal complies with the

2186
03:35:50,470 --> 03:35:54,470
provisions of the chapter with the zoning requirements and that the proposal is compatible

2187
03:35:54,470 --> 03:35:57,390
with the story building or structure, and that there are some conditions

2188
03:35:57,390 --> 03:36:02,110
that require compliance as the applicant moves forward in the historic district design review

2189
03:36:02,110 --> 03:36:04,890
and administrative permit process for this site.

2190
03:36:06,170 --> 03:36:10,930
The proposal meets parking requirements wherein a single family going requires two parking spaces

2191
03:36:10,930 --> 03:36:15,010
and an accessory apartment with one bedroom requires one parking space.

2192
03:36:15,790 --> 03:36:18,790
Therefore, three parking spaces are required for the entire site.

2193
03:36:18,970 --> 03:36:23,030
The applicant is proposing three parking spaces that will be accessed all of.

2194
03:36:23,030 --> 03:36:25,410
We'll be all accessed off of Park Avenue.

2195
03:36:25,990 --> 03:36:29,910
Initially, we're approval time requires the final plan submitted for a search to design review

2196
03:36:29,910 --> 03:36:31,930
and building permit to be updated to remove.

2197
03:36:32,110 --> 03:36:34,390
There's a proposed parking area in front of the storage structure,

2198
03:36:34,710 --> 03:36:37,010
but I encourage us to, into the right of way,

2199
03:36:37,350 --> 03:36:39,270
and that condition is proposed to remove that

2200
03:36:39,270 --> 03:36:44,230
and the condition also states that those three parking spaces will be accessed off-park Avenue.

2201
03:36:46,110 --> 03:36:52,010
Regarding the condition of use permit criteria, our development review committee reviewed and confirmed compliance with their required standards

2202
03:36:52,010 --> 03:36:57,490
and staff finds is outlined in the report that proposal as condition complies with the condition of use permit criteria.

2203
03:36:58,150 --> 03:37:00,950
Just to run through a few conditions of approval.

2204
03:37:00,950 --> 03:37:09,890
Number four, the applicant shall obtain historic district design review approval and administrative approval for the accessory department from the planning director of prior to submitting a building permit application.

2205
03:37:10,770 --> 03:37:14,810
Number eight, the exterior lighting shock comply with the dark style requirements is listed there.

2206
03:37:15,290 --> 03:37:24,350
And number nine, at the time of the building permits middle and access agreement with adjacent properties will be required to the building department because the proposed construction is within five feet of the adjacent property.

2207
03:37:25,590 --> 03:37:28,890
And therefore staff is recommending the Planning Commission review the proposed

2208
03:37:28,890 --> 03:37:29,210
Commission.

2209
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:40,260
And what's the avenue and 1011 per revenue? Conduct public hearing and consider approving the proposal based on the findings effect. Conclusions of law and conditions of approval outlined in the draft final action.

2210
03:37:41,380 --> 03:37:43,600
That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you, William.

2211
03:37:45,640 --> 03:37:47,240
Commissioners any clarifying questions?

2212
03:37:48,490 --> 03:37:58,730
Yeah, I just have one, what is the design constraint if any, I guess, that requires both

2213
03:37:58,730 --> 03:38:04,210
a front and a side yard setback, exceptions, sorry.

2214
03:38:05,390 --> 03:38:10,630
So the historic structure and the existing historic structure currently encroaches into

2215
03:38:10,630 --> 03:38:14,990
the front setback and the side setback, and the applicant is proposing to build a basement

2216
03:38:14,990 --> 03:38:16,070
directly underneath.

2217
03:38:16,070 --> 03:38:24,190
So the basement footprint would follow the existing footprint of this door structure, so it bumps into the front and side setbacks.

2218
03:38:24,970 --> 03:38:30,530
And then as noted, it does encroach into that south property, but the basement addition would not encroach.

2219
03:38:30,570 --> 03:38:31,970
It would stay within the property boundary.

2220
03:38:32,890 --> 03:38:37,950
And is there any way to build that basement so that it doesn't follow the existing footprint?

2221
03:38:39,230 --> 03:38:40,190
Correct, that's an option.

2222
03:38:40,190 --> 03:38:47,410
How are the applicant is requesting the condition use permit reviewed by the planning commission to allow for that exception?

2223
03:38:49,640 --> 03:38:52,220
And that's not an expanded.

2224
03:38:54,320 --> 03:39:00,440
They're not exacerbating the non-conformance by building the basement inside the setback.

2225
03:39:01,100 --> 03:39:06,100
So all historic structures as outlined in the code are existing non-complying structures.

2226
03:39:06,100 --> 03:39:15,580
And then the code, in that same section of code, it outlines that applicants can request the planning commission given exception to that to

2227
03:39:16,100 --> 03:39:18,940
needs, and I can quote the.

2228
03:39:18,940 --> 03:39:19,380
All right.

2229
03:39:20,280 --> 03:39:20,700
There.

2230
03:39:21,680 --> 03:39:21,700
Yeah.

2231
03:39:21,880 --> 03:39:23,020
I think I know that one.

2232
03:39:23,620 --> 03:39:23,840
Okay.

2233
03:39:24,320 --> 03:39:24,480
Yeah.

2234
03:39:24,480 --> 03:39:26,380
And so that's where the exception comes.

2235
03:39:26,520 --> 03:39:32,000
That's what the applicant is requesting at this point is an exception to the setbacks for that addition.

2236
03:39:32,760 --> 03:39:34,660
And it's not a finished basement, right?

2237
03:39:34,660 --> 03:39:37,180
It is, it will be a finished basement.

2238
03:39:37,260 --> 03:39:38,040
What is?

2239
03:39:38,820 --> 03:39:40,580
Not currently, but it will be.

2240
03:39:40,780 --> 03:39:47,460
Adam, are you looking at which diagram are you looking at?

2241
03:39:47,580 --> 03:39:54,880
Then we're looking at a page eight of this staff report.

2242
03:39:55,300 --> 03:39:56,540
Figure five.

2243
03:40:01,020 --> 03:40:06,940
So Lillian, what part of the basement does not match up with the footprint of the building?

2244
03:40:06,940 --> 03:40:14,220
the southern or left part of the image will be color. That's orange.

2245
03:40:17,120 --> 03:40:20,680
Yes. So it will be close, but it will only go to the property line.

2246
03:40:20,800 --> 03:40:25,420
We'll go over the property line. So the existing home is the orange that it encroaches,

2247
03:40:26,260 --> 03:40:31,340
but the basement will be insulated. I understand. Let me pull up the plans that I can

2248
03:40:32,500 --> 03:40:39,280
clarify. That figure five in the staff report is the proposed basement layout, the new

2249
03:40:39,280 --> 03:40:44,020
construction. In the draft final action letter, the proposed plans are attached, and there's

2250
03:40:44,020 --> 03:40:49,340
the layout for the main level. That shows the portion that goes over the property line.

2251
03:41:04,880 --> 03:41:11,940
So this is level zero or the basement, and you can see an orange. This is where the portion will

2252
03:41:11,940 --> 03:41:17,040
encroach into that south side setback. And then this is the level one apartment existing

2253
03:41:17,040 --> 03:41:24,000
historic structure footprint. And you can see that to the left part of that goes over the

2254
03:41:24,000 --> 03:41:30,100
property line, but that's the existing historic structure. So if you follow this dash line,

2255
03:41:31,540 --> 03:41:36,000
or a solid line here, this is this, this solid line turns into a dash line for the basement,

2256
03:41:36,160 --> 03:41:36,860
and that's the problem.

2257
03:41:42,110 --> 03:41:44,810
So little input a file at point on at the basement will

2258
03:41:44,810 --> 03:41:49,970
approach into the set that's not going to go over the property line. And we're generally

2259
03:41:49,970 --> 03:41:55,130
okay with that because that's sort of how the the little cottage above the ground sits already.

2260
03:41:56,950 --> 03:41:56,950
Correct.

2261
03:42:03,440 --> 03:42:07,660
I will go ahead and open public hearing for 1010 Woodside Avenue Conditional Youth

2262
03:42:07,660 --> 03:42:11,490
Permit. Anyone wishing to speak on this item please step forward or raise your hand on Zoom?

2263
03:42:13,340 --> 03:42:17,520
There are no hands raised. Right. Well close the public hearing and back to the commissioners for

2264
03:42:17,520 --> 03:42:22,660
questions comments. I have a question for

2265
03:42:22,660 --> 03:42:27,320
planners, Zellinger. So, you're understanding is that

2266
03:42:27,320 --> 03:42:31,920
the basement could be built conforming. You're just choosing to come

2267
03:42:31,920 --> 03:42:35,580
and ask for an exception. Now, applicant is requesting for the code.

2268
03:42:35,680 --> 03:42:38,600
The applicant is allowed to request for an exception to that setback.

2269
03:42:41,590 --> 03:42:46,730
Okay. I would like to see the applicant build the basement to code.

2270
03:42:46,730 --> 03:42:48,590
I'm not in favor of an exception.

2271
03:42:49,150 --> 03:42:54,930
If I can maybe clarify something, this is a very narrow section of code for historic structures.

2272
03:42:56,930 --> 03:43:04,550
So the land management code specifically outlines this conditional use permit for this very scenario.

2273
03:43:04,550 --> 03:43:15,050
So, we're not to facilitate the rehabilitation and restoration and preservation of our historic

2274
03:43:15,050 --> 03:43:22,270
structures, they're not going to find structures and they get to maintain those encroachments

2275
03:43:22,270 --> 03:43:28,330
into setbacks if they exceed building footprint or height that historic structure has an

2276
03:43:28,330 --> 03:43:29,450
exception to the code.

2277
03:43:29,450 --> 03:43:39,130
So, it can remain as is, and then the code establishes the conditional use permit process, specifically for this, and this example.

2278
03:43:39,550 --> 03:43:50,610
If they're doing foundation work or they're doing a basement edition, it allows for the preservation of the historic structure, and as Lily and mentioned, the historic preservation of the structure.

2279
03:43:50,810 --> 03:43:57,250
They have approved this finding compliance with the historic preservation goals.

2280
03:43:57,250 --> 03:44:04,590
So, this conditional use permit has those specific criteria for the planning commission to evaluate.

2281
03:44:05,270 --> 03:44:12,530
So, the staff analysis finds compliance with those criteria through this process of the conditional use permit.

2282
03:44:12,970 --> 03:44:20,570
So, I guess my question would be of those very specific criteria that allows for these basement additions for historic structures.

2283
03:44:20,990 --> 03:44:26,070
Is there a particular criteria that you find a non-compliance with?

2284
03:44:26,070 --> 03:44:34,850
Well, I will go back to Adam's comment, he's the word exasperate, but I would also possibly use doubling down.

2285
03:44:35,310 --> 03:44:35,770
So there,

2286
03:44:39,630 --> 03:44:50,230
I get that the existing structure is a non-compliant structure that's okay because it's historic.

2287
03:44:50,230 --> 03:44:57,870
But are we in a sense allowing the problem to be repeated?

2288
03:44:58,170 --> 03:44:59,970
Yeah, so I would call your attack.

2289
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:07,940
Attention to the specific criteria. That's not when the criteria are maybe lily and you can pull up the screen.

2290
03:45:08,120 --> 03:45:22,800
But we're back even more importantly, it's 15-1-10. The Planning Commission shall approve a conditional use if reasonable conditions are proposed or can be imposed to mitigate reasonably anticipated detrimental impacts.

2291
03:45:23,540 --> 03:45:37,820
They have no unindigated impacts, like so one through 16, sorry, yeah, have no unminigated impacts or they have conditions that mitigate those impacts.

2292
03:45:38,220 --> 03:45:42,820
So in this case, it's these five criteria that Lillian has.

2293
03:45:42,820 --> 03:45:51,700
It's really to allow for the use of these historic structures in a way that preserves the historic integrity.

2294
03:45:52,180 --> 03:46:03,560
So that number five, the design guidelines, you know, encourage an addition to a historic home that is below great.

2295
03:46:03,800 --> 03:46:08,760
Because that is going to allow for the preservation of the character.

2296
03:46:08,760 --> 03:46:15,280
they're not proposing an addition to the historic structure, they're actually removing some of the

2297
03:46:15,280 --> 03:46:23,700
non-historic editions. So through this process it allows it to go back to its original historic

2298
03:46:23,700 --> 03:46:28,020
character. I understand what you're saying.

2299
03:46:32,510 --> 03:46:37,070
I think it's criteria to the scale of the addition is

2300
03:46:37,070 --> 03:46:44,050
compatible with the historic structure. I mean, the historic structure historically didn't have a finished

2301
03:46:44,050 --> 03:46:44,830
basement.

2302
03:46:48,670 --> 03:46:53,490
Very few historic structures ever did, if any.

2303
03:46:55,510 --> 03:46:58,070
So when you're asking Rebecca for what

2304
03:46:58,070 --> 03:47:03,870
criteria, this likely doesn't comply with, it would be that one in my mind.

2305
03:47:08,920 --> 03:47:09,620
I mean, what is the

2306
03:47:09,620 --> 03:47:17,440
Right of the provision of that section of code to preserve the historic structure, right?

2307
03:47:17,740 --> 03:47:24,920
The historic structure is being preserved. It's untouched. What this applicant wants to do is add a finished

2308
03:47:24,920 --> 03:47:34,260
basement underneath it that's neither historic nor conforming. So which part of the code are we

2309
03:47:34,260 --> 03:47:40,220
filling by graph. What vision of the code are we fulfilling by granting the exception, right?

2310
03:47:40,440 --> 03:47:46,720
Or we're not doing anything that's protecting the home any more than it already would be.

2311
03:47:48,820 --> 03:47:58,160
So I guess what goal are we serving as it with a historic structure by granting this exception?

2312
03:47:58,160 --> 03:48:01,100
So, it's really that criteria of five.

2313
03:48:01,280 --> 03:48:07,220
That is citing chapter 15, 13 for a historic home.

2314
03:48:07,300 --> 03:48:10,400
So, the applicant could go to the Board of Adjustment.

2315
03:48:10,860 --> 03:48:13,080
And they, or excuse me, that it's been a long night.

2316
03:48:13,220 --> 03:48:14,720
The historic preservation board.

2317
03:48:15,240 --> 03:48:18,520
And they could request material deconstruction of the rare facade

2318
03:48:18,520 --> 03:48:20,840
and they could build a two story edition, right?

2319
03:48:20,980 --> 03:48:24,300
Like, that is a possibility in the historic districts.

2320
03:48:24,300 --> 03:48:31,980
This section of code allows them to go under the historic structure in a way that's not visible.

2321
03:48:32,280 --> 03:48:38,700
It's not going to change the character of the historic site through this exception.

2322
03:48:39,200 --> 03:48:42,520
And you can see this is specifically for that goal.

2323
03:48:43,500 --> 03:48:50,400
So I think that the reference could be to review the historic preservation board.

2324
03:48:51,240 --> 03:48:57,220
review and findings that are linked in the staff report, there are a lot of options to

2325
03:48:57,220 --> 03:49:03,180
rehabilitate historic structures that can include additions. In this case, that addition

2326
03:49:03,180 --> 03:49:11,340
is going in a basement level in a way that will not be visually impactful at the completion

2327
03:49:11,340 --> 03:49:12,340
of the project.

2328
03:49:16,400 --> 03:49:22,820
understood, but I think we established also that they could build the basement in conformance

2329
03:49:22,820 --> 03:49:30,140
with the setbacks. It could still be a finished basement. In the historic part, the

2330
03:49:30,140 --> 03:49:37,520
historic structure wouldn't be compromised in any way. The visual aesthetics would be irrelevant

2331
03:49:37,520 --> 03:49:44,100
because this is a below-grade improvement so you wouldn't see it necessarily. You certainly

2332
03:49:44,100 --> 03:49:48,600
wouldn't see the difference between building it within a setback versus not building it within

2333
03:49:48,600 --> 03:49:54,980
the setbacks. And if you could, that would be a pretty miniscule offense to your observations

2334
03:49:56,980 --> 03:50:01,780
as a historic preservationist walking down the street of woodside.

2335
03:50:04,000 --> 03:50:09,140
We have our city attorney requesting to be promoted, please turn.

2336
03:50:13,800 --> 03:50:19,220
For us, I mentioned earlier, Mark had to leave and join us. He has been on via Zoom.

2337
03:50:23,510 --> 03:50:24,770
Mark's iPhone has been promoted.

2338
03:50:26,250 --> 03:50:31,250
Thanks, guys. Mark hadn't seen the city attorney. Just a more specific answer to your question,

2339
03:50:31,530 --> 03:50:33,490
because it has a big history at him.

2340
03:50:34,150 --> 03:50:42,450
These sections work in tandem with sort of these equitable provisions that allow sight flexibility

2341
03:50:42,450 --> 03:50:50,530
for adaptive or use of historic structures so that they get, um, they are held to the same

2342
03:50:50,530 --> 03:50:55,810
standard in all regards because they're held such strict standard to protect the existing

2343
03:50:55,810 --> 03:51:04,090
facades. And so if they meet the specified criteria, the commission is supposed to look at,

2344
03:51:04,090 --> 03:51:12,430
you know, allowing some flexibility with the primary goal of a bit of equity as well as

2345
03:51:12,430 --> 03:51:15,910
It's ensuring that there's no one mitigated circumstances.

2346
03:51:16,790 --> 03:51:30,210
They're allowed to get closer to the same use of normal building a lot than the non-historic person next to them that can build up to the maximum square footage because they necessarily can't.

2347
03:51:30,930 --> 03:51:40,130
So I know it's often hard to go through the lens like why would we allow more in a greater expansion of non-conformity,

2348
03:51:40,130 --> 03:51:43,310
But it's really, it's allowing some site flexibility

2349
03:51:43,310 --> 03:51:46,110
that allows the reasonable use of a property

2350
03:51:46,110 --> 03:51:49,110
comparable to light properties in the district,

2351
03:51:51,510 --> 03:51:53,910
given all the other buildings that they have to deal

2352
03:51:53,910 --> 03:51:55,530
with as a historic property owner.

2353
03:51:56,350 --> 03:51:57,930
So that's so means you guys have the flexibility

2354
03:51:57,930 --> 03:51:59,670
of making that decision based on the criteria

2355
03:51:59,670 --> 03:52:00,730
that you're going through.

2356
03:52:00,970 --> 03:52:03,110
But I just do want to make sure it's in the lens

2357
03:52:03,110 --> 03:52:05,450
that it's supposed to be so authority

2358
03:52:05,450 --> 03:52:15,610
And not just someone running, you know, a loop, it's not someone running a loophole to get more square footage, it's intentional.

2359
03:52:16,890 --> 03:52:18,330
And so it's always interesting.

2360
03:52:19,190 --> 03:52:29,970
It is what you're saying then that, you know, because they're going to preserve this historic structure so well and with so much originality that they get.

2361
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:32,720
A little extra flexibility under the code.

2362
03:52:34,520 --> 03:52:40,180
Yeah, and this Rebecca articulated under ground without adverse impacts. If there are adverse impacts

2363
03:52:40,180 --> 03:52:46,800
in the record, you certainly allowed to address those. But I think she's properly described

2364
03:52:46,800 --> 03:52:51,840
that the thought was different, if it's on your ground and not visible, those are minimized,

2365
03:52:51,840 --> 03:53:02,760
But they can still have that, you know, that extra square footage that are normal family would hope to utilize in a light clock.

2366
03:53:06,320 --> 03:53:09,140
There's also, if I may in our approach to design.

2367
03:53:09,680 --> 03:53:10,580
Sorry about that.

2368
03:53:10,580 --> 03:53:10,940
That's okay.

2369
03:53:11,540 --> 03:53:11,880
Cole Knight.

2370
03:53:11,900 --> 03:53:15,220
I'm here as the architect representative of my client Brian Wong.

2371
03:53:15,280 --> 03:53:15,720
Thanks.

2372
03:53:15,720 --> 03:53:21,000
In our design of this project, one thing that we were trying to do is as was kind of previously outlined.

2373
03:53:21,000 --> 03:53:40,080
Do our very best to restore this building to its most original state, which means removing the additions that added non-original square footage onto the back of it and pairing it down to what was originally a very modest footprint of just below 500 square feet.

2374
03:53:40,440 --> 03:53:49,940
In doing that, what we're going to do is build a new building behind this one that's completely detached and separated so that this can really stand alone.

2375
03:53:49,940 --> 03:53:55,760
a shining example of historic architecture in Park City and the basement which goes beneath it

2376
03:53:56,760 --> 03:54:01,380
is picking up the square footage that we lose and pursuing that historic preservation goal

2377
03:54:02,720 --> 03:54:09,220
and to our understanding of the land management code we are not increasing to any degree the

2378
03:54:09,220 --> 03:54:14,660
noncompliance of the structure because the noncompliance of the structure is the building footprint

2379
03:54:14,660 --> 03:54:21,720
encroachment over the property setbacks. The building footprint is a defined land management code

2380
03:54:21,720 --> 03:54:29,680
that is defined as the furthest wall plan on any level projected to grade because we're staying

2381
03:54:29,680 --> 03:54:35,600
within the current building footprint, there is no enlargement in the non-conformance of this

2382
03:54:35,600 --> 03:54:43,800
structure as the land management code defines it. And this is also somewhat common practice in

2383
03:54:43,800 --> 03:54:52,260
lifting a historic building. It's an enormous expense to a property owner, and so generally anyone who's going through the pains of

2384
03:54:53,620 --> 03:55:02,500
That in Combrance is going to try to pick up some amount of value, and so even if we weren't expanding the basement to match the building footprint

2385
03:55:02,500 --> 03:55:04,280
There would still be

2386
03:55:04,280 --> 03:55:09,860
Concrete foundation walls, which extends to frost grade, which is half the depth of the basement anyways

2387
03:55:09,860 --> 03:55:17,700
So there's really no difference to the public domain on whether or not basement exists beneath the existing building footprint.

2388
03:55:18,500 --> 03:55:26,820
And like I said, the basement that is proposed to our understanding and a very cut and clear reading of the code does not increase the non-conformance.

2389
03:55:30,490 --> 03:55:33,290
Thank you. That's helpful information. Thank you.

2390
03:55:37,200 --> 03:55:38,680
Any other questions or clarifications?

2391
03:55:40,200 --> 03:55:45,100
I just want to stay on the rocket I found that to be a compelling argument and I am

2392
03:55:45,100 --> 03:55:49,880
then leaning inclined to granting the exception at this point.

2393
03:55:52,420 --> 03:55:53,520
Yeah, I would agree.

2394
03:55:53,800 --> 03:55:59,720
I had actually changed my mind after listening a little bit further to some of the code history

2395
03:55:59,720 --> 03:56:04,780
code intent and design realities.

2396
03:56:08,480 --> 03:56:14,640
Still sits funny with me, but we agree on that point. It's an

2397
03:56:14,640 --> 03:56:22,910
odd one. As our many in historic district. Yeah, they, many are. Anyway, that's, that's enough for me.

2398
03:56:25,120 --> 03:56:29,140
I'd holy support this and you know, for what it's worth, you know, we don't have to

2399
03:56:29,140 --> 03:56:32,160
and this has been regularly done in the past

2400
03:56:32,160 --> 03:56:34,420
by a number of different other projects whenever you're dealing with

2401
03:56:34,420 --> 03:56:35,820
these old and start cottages.

2402
03:56:36,200 --> 03:56:37,860
So things are really good outcome.

2403
03:56:40,740 --> 03:56:44,140
The three parking spaces will be in the new building

2404
03:56:44,140 --> 03:56:45,700
access to the park Avenue.

2405
03:56:47,240 --> 03:56:50,440
When do you plan to build that?

2406
03:56:51,160 --> 03:56:53,860
The current intention is to permit all of the work

2407
03:56:53,860 --> 03:56:56,800
under one building permit.

2408
03:56:56,800 --> 03:57:02,040
So essentially all at once, though, you know, as far as staging, it's going to be a process.

2409
03:57:02,620 --> 03:57:03,440
Thank you.

2410
03:57:07,150 --> 03:57:08,670
And do we have a motion, anybody?

2411
03:57:10,030 --> 03:57:10,250
Sure.

2412
03:57:10,330 --> 03:57:10,870
I'll do a motion.

2413
03:57:11,170 --> 03:57:11,490
This way.

2414
03:57:11,970 --> 03:57:12,170
Oh, yeah.

2415
03:57:12,390 --> 03:57:12,770
Oh, sorry.

2416
03:57:13,790 --> 03:57:14,310
Sure.

2417
03:57:14,470 --> 03:57:14,930
Van Dine.

2418
03:57:15,390 --> 03:57:22,430
I move to approve the conditional use permit for the proposed basement under the landmark historic

2419
03:57:22,430 --> 03:57:24,710
structure at 1010 Woodside Avenue.

2420
03:57:25,030 --> 03:57:28,430
That is partially within the front and side setbacks.

2421
03:57:28,430 --> 03:57:35,250
based on the findings of fact, conclusions of law and conditions of approval outlined in the draft action letter.

2422
03:57:35,610 --> 03:57:51,130
Could I, I apologize to interrupt. There was just one condition of approval, which I would like to touch on briefly, which is there's a condition requiring the property owner to get construction access agreements from all neighboring properties.

2423
03:57:52,110 --> 03:57:57,550
Thankfully, my client has great working relationships with almost all property owners adjacent.

2424
03:57:57,950 --> 03:58:04,250
There's only one where the properties held in a land trust, and it's been really challenging to get a hold of them.

2425
03:58:04,350 --> 03:58:14,530
Thankfully, we have construction team on board, where we have a solution to achieve all of the proposed construction without crossing the property boundary.

2426
03:58:14,530 --> 03:58:17,310
and that gets into a specific shorting strategy.

2427
03:58:18,230 --> 03:58:21,310
And so it would be really helpful if we could soften

2428
03:58:21,310 --> 03:58:22,670
just that condition of approval.

2429
03:58:22,670 --> 03:58:24,730
It'll be handled through the building department.

2430
03:58:25,410 --> 03:58:28,470
So they'll have to agree to any construction plan.

2431
03:58:28,950 --> 03:58:30,370
But I'm a little bit concerned

2432
03:58:30,370 --> 03:58:32,970
with over-constraining through a condition of approval.

2433
03:58:33,470 --> 03:58:36,850
That the property owner must have access agreements

2434
03:58:36,850 --> 03:58:38,930
to tread on all neighbors' properties

2435
03:58:38,930 --> 03:58:43,030
when the reality might be that that's not achievable.

2436
03:58:43,030 --> 03:58:49,170
And we already have a solution to mitigate the one instance where it's may not be a practical reality.

2437
03:58:50,390 --> 03:58:51,430
What's a solution?

2438
03:58:52,770 --> 03:58:59,270
A soldier piling, essentially, for the shoreing and excavation to create new foundations,

2439
03:59:00,030 --> 03:59:03,450
you either have to lay back the site cut at a one to one,

2440
03:59:03,690 --> 03:59:10,210
or you have to provide the trick to shoreing is that in order to generally do the most cost-efficient strategy,

2441
03:59:10,210 --> 03:59:13,610
It requires soil nails, which cross the property boundary.

2442
03:59:14,050 --> 03:59:19,190
In our case, we're looking at options for not needing to do that

2443
03:59:19,190 --> 03:59:20,670
and keeping all the work on our land.

2444
03:59:21,010 --> 03:59:24,310
So that's the property that you haven't been able to access the owner.

2445
03:59:24,430 --> 03:59:25,610
Yep, the only one, yeah.

2446
03:59:25,690 --> 03:59:28,910
So instead of using soil nails, you're looking at something else

2447
03:59:28,910 --> 03:59:30,550
where you don't have to encourage on their property.

2448
03:59:32,990 --> 03:59:35,670
And so the reality is that with the current plan,

2449
03:59:35,810 --> 03:59:36,950
it'll be a little bit more expensive,

2450
03:59:37,210 --> 03:59:39,990
but the client is happy to do it needs to be done

2451
03:59:39,990 --> 03:59:42,010
to achieve the preservation strategy,

2452
03:59:43,290 --> 03:59:48,050
and not cross the property boundary with any proposed work

2453
03:59:48,050 --> 03:59:49,850
or workers on their land.

2454
03:59:51,940 --> 03:59:56,520
So just so I have this straight, you could go ahead and do this,

2455
03:59:56,540 --> 03:59:58,560
even if you don't get an access agreement.

2456
04:00:02,280 --> 04:00:30,320
Correct. Correct. At a greater expense, but it is possible and that's the current. The current plan we just want to, you know, take all contingencies at face value. Like I said, most neighbors are good with a little bit of construction easement and lay back and potentially even soil nails, but the client is not taking any of that for granted and has contingency plans to achieve all of the proposed work without crops.

2457
04:00:30,320 --> 04:00:35,340
processing property boundaries. And this is of course going to be in the building department's

2458
04:00:35,340 --> 04:00:40,620
purview anyways. So generally, there are the ones that are requiring the easements to be in place.

2459
04:00:41,080 --> 04:00:46,280
So when we submit for a building permit regardless of the condition of approval, they'll ask us

2460
04:00:46,280 --> 04:00:53,280
for our strategy, whether that's a construction access easement agreement, or a suitable alternative,

2461
04:00:53,480 --> 04:00:59,040
which is what we're currently planning to do. But we don't want to then be over constrained from a

2462
04:00:59,040 --> 04:01:06,520
condition that is in access of what the building department negotiations will entail if that makes sense.

2463
04:01:06,780 --> 04:01:12,760
So you're asked as well as I say, so I was either Mark or Lillian or Rebecca is there.

2464
04:01:13,040 --> 04:01:28,600
I mean, if the commission were comfortable with striking it, it will be the policy of the building department is to require those access agreements in old town when any construction is being proposed within five feet of a property line.

2465
04:01:29,040 --> 04:01:32,200
So it will be addressed at the building permit stage.

2466
04:01:32,520 --> 04:01:35,740
So if the commission is comfortable with striking us,

2467
04:01:35,900 --> 04:01:39,260
I'm not comfortable with that because it excludes all property

2468
04:01:39,260 --> 04:01:40,860
owners instead of just one.

2469
04:01:41,240 --> 04:01:45,340
Yeah, we wouldn't be happy even to say to leave it as is and just say,

2470
04:01:45,480 --> 04:01:49,680
unless decided otherwise by the building department at the time of permitting.

2471
04:01:49,800 --> 04:01:52,860
And that leaves it as de facto, unless they make a judgment,

2472
04:01:53,400 --> 04:01:53,400
otherwise,

2473
04:01:56,830 --> 04:01:57,870
I'm okay with that idea.

2474
04:01:57,950 --> 04:01:59,310
Rebecca is that.

2475
04:01:59,310 --> 04:02:04,550
Okay. Yeah, ultimately, it will be the bending department that will review this.

2476
04:02:05,030 --> 04:02:06,310
So, Lily. Perfect.

2477
04:02:09,290 --> 04:02:10,330
That's good.

2478
04:02:13,230 --> 04:02:16,710
Um, so then grants can stand just as amended.

2479
04:02:17,170 --> 04:02:19,070
As amended. Second.

2480
04:02:20,450 --> 04:02:21,290
Uh, we have a motion.

2481
04:02:21,310 --> 04:02:24,130
My commissioner tells them the second by commissioner. She and all those in favor.

2482
04:02:24,630 --> 04:02:25,890
All right. All right.

2483
04:02:26,410 --> 04:02:28,230
All right. Motion passes. Thank you, guys.

2484
04:02:28,730 --> 04:02:29,370
Thanks for your time.

2485
04:02:29,370 --> 04:02:32,010
consideration. Appreciate it. I'm going for sticking around.

2486
04:02:32,370 --> 04:02:45,350
Yeah. All right. Last item. We are going to have a hard stop of 10 o'clock. So if we don't have a motion by 10, we will continue this item to.

2487
04:02:45,350 --> 04:02:49,830
We'll figure it out. Hopefully we can get it through it.

2488
04:02:50,030 --> 04:02:50,230
What?

2489
04:02:53,720 --> 04:02:54,240
Thank

2490
04:03:01,890 --> 04:03:07,690
you. This is a continuation of the item at the last planning commission meeting at 1364 Goldenway.

2491
04:03:07,690 --> 04:03:13,770
I'm just a quick recap. The applicant is proposing or requesting planning commission modify

2492
04:03:13,770 --> 04:03:19,230
application of the sensitive land overlay criteria, specifically the Regelined regulations

2493
04:03:19,230 --> 04:03:24,510
to allow development of a single family dwelling. The area phase two subdivision was plotted

2494
04:03:24,510 --> 04:03:30,550
in 1983 and it predates the sensitive land overlay regulations which were not enacted until 1992.

2495
04:03:31,550 --> 04:03:37,330
You can see here the approximate area of single family dwelling disturbance and purple

2496
04:03:37,690 --> 04:03:42,730
and the ridge line area in blue. The lot would likely not have been created in order to

2497
04:03:42,730 --> 04:03:48,510
today's provisions, but because it predates the SLO regulations, there is a provision in the code

2498
04:03:49,790 --> 04:03:55,050
to ensure that an applicant is not denied all reasonable use of the property. So this

2499
04:03:55,050 --> 04:04:01,310
property is impacted by sensitive land of relay regulations in two ways. There's the very steep slopes

2500
04:04:01,310 --> 04:04:07,290
on the property, and then there's the ridge line area. And the applicant is proposing hardship relief

2501
04:04:07,290 --> 04:04:11,390
for the ridge line area, which is the less impactful

2502
04:04:11,390 --> 04:04:15,910
of the two areas that would be impacted by the development.

2503
04:04:17,290 --> 04:04:19,590
At the previous meeting, the planning commission requested

2504
04:04:19,590 --> 04:04:22,450
additional materials to aid in the analysis

2505
04:04:22,450 --> 04:04:26,170
and the applicant responded with additional analysis

2506
04:04:26,170 --> 04:04:28,410
regarding the seven criteria that have met

2507
04:04:28,410 --> 04:04:31,250
would allow the commission to vary the required 50-foot set

2508
04:04:31,250 --> 04:04:32,870
back from very seat slopes.

2509
04:04:34,690 --> 04:04:36,690
They've also provided additional analysis

2510
04:04:36,690 --> 04:04:41,630
demonstrating that sense of the land overlay regulations would deny all reasonable use of the property

2511
04:04:41,630 --> 04:04:47,190
and updated site plan, reducing the height of the proposed single family dwelling to 28 feet of

2512
04:04:47,190 --> 04:04:52,910
other existing grade which is the zone height and then an alternative conceptual plan that would

2513
04:04:52,910 --> 04:04:57,310
cite the single family dwelling further down the hill in the very steep slopes areas.

2514
04:04:59,450 --> 04:05:04,590
So these are the seven criteria that the planning commission reviews to determine if it can grant

2515
04:05:04,590 --> 04:05:10,270
an exception to the very steep slope criteria. The applicant has indicated that criteria two and five

2516
04:05:10,270 --> 04:05:17,090
could not be met. Given the constraints of the lot and the presence of the ridge lane area

2517
04:05:17,090 --> 04:05:22,190
and very steep slopes. So these state building areas in the setback do not create excessive

2518
04:05:22,190 --> 04:05:30,490
cutter fill slopes and minimal retaining walls and excuse me. And the number five the site plan

2519
04:05:30,490 --> 04:05:37,910
results in an improved organization of units through vegetation avoidance, developing within

2520
04:05:37,910 --> 04:05:43,510
the very seat slopes area would require a driveway that's approximately 164 feet long.

2521
04:05:43,770 --> 04:05:47,770
There would be extensive cuts and fills and retaining walls up to 8 feet.

2522
04:05:48,910 --> 04:05:59,170
The applicant provided this alternative site plan, showing the development of the single

2523
04:05:59,170 --> 04:06:09,340
the site, Park City Fire District indicated that driveways longer than 150 feet required

2524
04:06:09,340 --> 04:06:16,620
turnaround area for fire vehicles. And so this illustration demonstrates what would be

2525
04:06:16,620 --> 04:06:19,460
required to accommodate that given the length of the driveway.

2526
04:06:22,350 --> 04:06:23,410
The applicant provided

2527
04:06:23,410 --> 04:06:32,230
some renderings showing on the left what the single family dwelling would look like if it were

2528
04:06:32,230 --> 04:06:37,970
provided further down the hill in the very steep slope areas, and then on the right the current

2529
04:06:37,970 --> 04:06:45,750
positioning within the ridge lane area. This is as viewed from city hall, and then these

2530
04:06:45,750 --> 04:06:52,090
renderings are as viewed from Old Town again with the development on very steep slopes on the left

2531
04:06:52,090 --> 04:06:55,670
and further up in the ridge lane area on the right.

2532
04:06:58,940 --> 04:07:00,920
The applicant also provided these conceptual

2533
04:07:00,920 --> 04:07:08,640
plan showing, um, where the, uh, maximum building height at 28 feet is located in blue.

2534
04:07:09,320 --> 04:07:16,700
Um, and then the 33 feet, there's an additional 5 feet for, um, roof structures and chimneys.

2535
04:07:17,340 --> 04:07:23,920
Um, and so staff highlighted these areas in blue, the areas between 28 and 33 feet, and then the,

2536
04:07:23,920 --> 04:07:28,000
the areas between 33 and 38 feet, the maximum height in red.

2537
04:07:30,020 --> 04:07:32,840
Here's another view of the structure.

2538
04:07:37,070 --> 04:07:47,730
Again, the applicant is requesting hardship relief to allow development within the rich line area. The 1364 golden weight, lot is outlined here in red. You can see the rich line area in blue.

2539
04:07:51,040 --> 04:07:57,400
Staff is recommending conditions of approval to minimize disturbance within the rich line area.

2540
04:07:57,400 --> 04:08:02,760
non-reflective roofing and facade materials every green landscaping to screen

2541
04:08:02,760 --> 04:08:06,780
destructure and blend in with the hillside is viewed from the vantage points.

2542
04:08:07,100 --> 04:08:11,820
Greater than 75% of the lot to remain open space and to limit disturbance of

2543
04:08:11,820 --> 04:08:16,740
open space areas to the removal of dead and dying vegetation. The maximum

2544
04:08:16,740 --> 04:08:23,650
disturbance area would be 6600 square feet out there lighting restrictions and then

2545
04:08:23,650 --> 04:08:46,850
And as seen in these images, here's staff is recommending that the, the single family dwelling be redesigned to meet the 28 foot height limit in this zoning district and that bay windows dormers chimneys and other features be either removed from the designer relocated to reduce visual impacts.

2546
04:08:48,220 --> 04:08:53,860
As conditions, staff recommends that the Planning Commission review this sensitive land

2547
04:08:53,860 --> 04:08:58,960
overlay hardship relief requests for this site conduct a public hearing and consider approving

2548
04:08:58,960 --> 04:09:03,320
based on the findings of fact, conclusions of law and conditions of approval, as amended

2549
04:09:03,320 --> 04:09:09,700
in the draft final action letter. And the applicant has the presentation to share as well.

2550
04:09:10,660 --> 04:09:15,340
Even in chair. Commissioners appreciate you having us and keeping staying here late with us.

2551
04:09:15,340 --> 04:09:19,420
We are circling back. I'm going to forgo a formal presentation given that we're on the clock. We get 21 minutes.

2552
04:09:20,080 --> 04:09:26,660
And I'd like to do it. And I think the most important part is to make sure that answering all of your questions. I tried to do that in writing and with the submittal.

2553
04:09:26,800 --> 04:09:31,820
I think the only other component that wasn't in there in a commissioner for Ontario had some specific questions about,

2554
04:09:31,840 --> 04:09:37,120
wait a second, you know, when did we make this retroactive, you know, you acquired the land in 2001, did you acquire on notice?

2555
04:09:37,480 --> 04:09:41,920
It's really difficult sometimes to peruse through all of the prior iterations of the code.

2556
04:09:41,920 --> 04:09:44,100
but I did my artist to get through it all

2557
04:09:44,100 --> 04:09:45,580
and it looked to me it was about 2007

2558
04:09:45,580 --> 04:09:47,940
when they modified the defint they included

2559
04:09:47,940 --> 04:09:50,940
in a new definition of what is developable land

2560
04:09:50,940 --> 04:09:52,640
into this portion of the code

2561
04:09:52,640 --> 04:09:56,840
and that actually drew in existing master plan developments.

2562
04:09:57,040 --> 04:09:59,660
From what I could tell that's the point at which the code

2563
04:09:59,660 --> 04:10:02,780
became retroactive effectively by that definition.

2564
04:10:03,620 --> 04:10:06,400
It was a long time ago and all I have is an ordinance

2565
04:10:06,400 --> 04:10:07,380
and things to work off of,

2566
04:10:07,440 --> 04:10:09,800
but that's the best that I could find and perusing

2567
04:10:09,800 --> 04:10:13,660
all the prior version is to when that became retroactive per set.

2568
04:10:14,600 --> 04:10:16,860
I also defined and included quotes too.

2569
04:10:16,900 --> 04:10:17,720
I don't think it's in the packet,

2570
04:10:17,840 --> 04:10:20,780
but there's a letter from the city attorney dating back in 1992,

2571
04:10:21,180 --> 04:10:22,920
where he says, look, this isn't gonna apply

2572
04:10:23,520 --> 04:10:25,420
to existing developments.

2573
04:10:26,380 --> 04:10:28,080
So there was a question from developments

2574
04:10:28,080 --> 04:10:29,240
that were out there, like, wait a second,

2575
04:10:29,280 --> 04:10:30,460
is this gonna impact us?

2576
04:10:30,500 --> 04:10:32,060
He said, no, unless you came back in,

2577
04:10:32,280 --> 04:10:34,040
to make this substantial change to the development,

2578
04:10:34,660 --> 04:10:36,160
then it would apply to you, right?

2579
04:10:36,300 --> 04:10:38,380
So not the circumstance we have here,

2580
04:10:38,380 --> 04:10:42,620
of course, understandably later on the city decided to make that change. I think in 2007.

2581
04:10:43,680 --> 04:10:47,560
But then you have this hardship relief. And like I said, I won't be laborer the points,

2582
04:10:47,680 --> 04:10:53,740
but I think the materials present well, why it's less impactful to have the property up in the

2583
04:10:53,740 --> 04:10:59,080
ridge line, both less of an impact of the very steep slopes, but then also visually less impactfully.

2584
04:10:59,080 --> 04:11:04,780
You can really see that as it ducks in and line and harmony with the other structures that are all

2585
04:11:04,780 --> 04:11:08,840
constructed within that ridge line overlay up near the Colisec.

2586
04:11:10,080 --> 04:11:13,280
We are good with the majority of the conditions that staff is looking to impose.

2587
04:11:13,460 --> 04:11:16,520
We think they will do well to minimize the impacts.

2588
04:11:16,680 --> 04:11:20,580
The only one that we are not comfortable with at this juncture we are going to try to

2589
04:11:20,580 --> 04:11:25,080
design around it is the 28 foot limitation taking away the exceptions.

2590
04:11:25,680 --> 04:11:30,020
So the code builds in these natural exceptions for two things.

2591
04:11:30,020 --> 04:11:41,280
First for pitches of a roof fright, if you have a pitch above a certain pitch in every zone, you then are allowed a few more extra feet.

2592
04:11:41,540 --> 04:11:47,360
And then there's an exception built in from mechanical equipment and chimneys that sort of thing throughout the code as well.

2593
04:11:47,600 --> 04:11:51,400
And the purpose of this is to allow for architectural interest, right?

2594
04:11:51,760 --> 04:11:58,820
If you just said it's 28 feet everywhere 33 or whatever it is in every location, you're going to get a lot of flat roof structures, right?

2595
04:11:58,820 --> 04:12:00,360
because that's how you maximize,

2596
04:12:00,360 --> 04:12:02,520
that's how you maximize the square footage

2597
04:12:02,960 --> 04:12:06,320
when you have a very firm height limit like that.

2598
04:12:06,320 --> 04:12:07,600
That's why you see these,

2599
04:12:07,700 --> 04:12:09,580
this came up in your conversation earlier,

2600
04:12:10,240 --> 04:12:11,340
not that I want to take you back there,

2601
04:12:11,620 --> 04:12:13,240
but about, you know, they slow up.

2602
04:12:13,460 --> 04:12:15,880
So we would like to have some architectural interest in here,

2603
04:12:15,900 --> 04:12:18,080
my client has a style of home

2604
04:12:18,080 --> 04:12:19,280
that they would like to construct.

2605
04:12:19,400 --> 04:12:20,320
It's not a flat roofed home.

2606
04:12:20,700 --> 04:12:22,040
If this is just 28 feet

2607
04:12:22,040 --> 04:12:24,300
and none of the other exceptions that are in the code,

2608
04:12:24,620 --> 04:12:26,860
apply, we're just gonna go to a flat roof structure, right?

2609
04:12:27,100 --> 04:12:28,120
That's what this becomes.

2610
04:12:28,120 --> 04:12:33,400
and so I have to have the same architectural interest that others in the community have had.

2611
04:12:33,480 --> 04:12:37,500
And we went and surveyed the surrounding homes. The home directly next door is 33 feet tall

2612
04:12:37,500 --> 04:12:42,480
at the reds line. It's actually a little lower. But, you know, that this is going to be,

2613
04:12:42,480 --> 04:12:45,200
it's not like it's going to be taller. And you can see that in the exhibits we submit.

2614
04:12:45,820 --> 04:12:51,180
This is only 20 feet tall at the, at the coldest act. It's substantially lower than the,

2615
04:12:51,700 --> 04:12:57,200
than the properties around it, right? So that that's conditioned six and seven of the

2616
04:12:57,200 --> 04:13:02,120
only wants it that we would request the planning commission not include and in the approval,

2617
04:13:02,520 --> 04:13:06,560
we think that that they're important things to keep the design aesthetic that's contemplated

2618
04:13:06,560 --> 04:13:11,300
by the code currently. With that, I'll let it be. I do think we closed the public hearing last

2619
04:13:11,300 --> 04:13:16,140
time around. I don't know that we did, you know, open it again. But okay, all right, I'm just sorry.

2620
04:13:16,220 --> 04:13:20,080
I'm looking at it. So in the interest of time, I know there was additional public hearing to me.

2621
04:13:20,160 --> 04:13:23,120
All right. So with that, I'm, I'm maybe answer any questions.

2622
04:13:25,140 --> 04:13:47,060
I just, in first of all, really great submittals and answered all my questions, but just to your last point about conditions 6 and 7, I'm looking at the draft final action letter and I don't think it's 6, it just must be 7 that you're concerned about because 6 talks about outdoor lighting and stuff.

2623
04:13:49,210 --> 04:13:54,010
So are we just talking about seven the condition of approval number seven?

2624
04:13:56,010 --> 04:14:01,260
You know what you know and I misspoke it must be seven and eight. I apologize Mr. Trump. Thank you for catching that.

2625
04:14:02,090 --> 04:14:02,840
Okay seven and

2626
04:14:05,230 --> 04:14:10,180
Okay, yeah eight right okay. Tell me since all right sorry that's the only question I have

2627
04:14:12,590 --> 04:14:13,510
for now

2628
04:14:16,450 --> 04:14:20,170
and that and then I would just note that that means that the reference point

2629
04:14:20,170 --> 04:14:26,750
in the findings of fact be one, one, and two, one are off.

2630
04:14:27,330 --> 04:14:28,870
They show us the concept and they should show 70.

2631
04:14:29,490 --> 04:14:32,170
So just a good catch.

2632
04:14:46,220 --> 04:14:49,800
Kind of just point of procedure, Rebecca,

2633
04:14:50,020 --> 04:14:54,020
when we need to re-jigger the conditions of approval

2634
04:14:54,020 --> 04:14:55,600
on the findings of fact.

2635
04:14:56,280 --> 04:14:57,440
How do we make a motion?

2636
04:14:57,440 --> 04:14:59,920
just as

2637
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:13,580
And if you wanted to be specific, as amended, updating the findings of that related to conditions of approval, six and seven, to rename seven and eight.

2638
04:15:21,930 --> 04:15:34,550
Okay, I'm finding the applicant, I'd like the applicant to give a little better explanation for not keeping to the 28 feet.

2639
04:15:35,710 --> 04:15:41,130
Architectural preference, that sort of hearing, is that it?

2640
04:15:41,550 --> 04:15:46,950
Well, I think in addition, when we discuss this with staff, the component that makes it difficult.

2641
04:15:46,950 --> 04:15:52,250
this were a flat lot, sticking to 28 feet would be even with a chimney and because it's really a

2642
04:15:52,250 --> 04:15:58,590
two story and one in two story product primarily, but because of the steep braid going downward

2643
04:15:58,590 --> 04:16:06,230
in order to not have too many stairs at split level repeatedly this side, you have to step down

2644
04:16:06,230 --> 04:16:11,970
from the garage to the main living area. So there's a sequence of stairs going down. We are building

2645
04:16:11,970 --> 04:16:18,930
down the property line. But it makes it incredibly difficult to do that and have any type of pitch

2646
04:16:18,930 --> 04:16:26,970
to your roof without stepping the house in so many ways that it becomes impractical for somebody

2647
04:16:26,970 --> 04:16:34,350
on a lot that's steep as this. And so that's the design component from a practicality structure

2648
04:16:34,350 --> 04:16:40,930
of someone who wants to live in this home that if you have stairs at every floor to try to make

2649
04:16:40,930 --> 04:16:45,270
work, even though there will be many stairs that makes it difficult. And then really the overlay

2650
04:16:45,270 --> 04:16:51,550
with that is, you know, chimneys do stick up for five feet and if you have a pitch roof,

2651
04:16:51,630 --> 04:16:56,290
it does an extent higher. So it's the combination of those two things that lead us to,

2652
04:16:56,290 --> 04:17:00,350
I think lead to the code provisions in the first place and then the request on our part to keep

2653
04:17:00,350 --> 04:17:07,110
them away. Okay, I'll take that under advisement. If you built further down the slope,

2654
04:17:07,110 --> 04:17:10,530
you'd be entering into steep slope and you'd have even more stairs.

2655
04:17:11,090 --> 04:17:12,450
That's correct. Yes.

2656
04:17:13,310 --> 04:17:21,790
I would say, in general, I'm sensitive to the situation that the lot is in with respect to the

2657
04:17:21,790 --> 04:17:28,510
ridge line and that every home on that cul-de-sac, that's built, is within that area.

2658
04:17:28,990 --> 04:17:36,470
So I'm inclined to grant the relief from the steep slope building up the hill.

2659
04:17:36,470 --> 04:17:39,310
But like Commissioner Frontaro,

2660
04:17:41,350 --> 04:17:44,350
you know, with staff's recommendation to keep it at 28 feet.

2661
04:17:44,470 --> 04:17:46,310
I mean, I get the chimney thing and all that.

2662
04:17:46,770 --> 04:17:56,510
I just need to think about that a little bit as any kind of elevations been done that comply with the 28 foot maximum height.

2663
04:17:56,910 --> 04:18:01,690
We actually did try hard to see if we could make it work with the same type of design.

2664
04:18:01,690 --> 04:18:07,630
And the only way we could make it work was to spread the house up further and take up more.

2665
04:18:07,810 --> 04:18:11,430
It ended up impacting a lot more square footage of the lot.

2666
04:18:12,170 --> 04:18:16,970
And so we couldn't find something that fit the same design aesthetic.

2667
04:18:17,030 --> 04:18:22,410
All we could really find that would make it work is if we went to just a flat roof and remove the chimneys entirely.

2668
04:18:22,950 --> 04:18:23,670
That works.

2669
04:18:23,930 --> 04:18:30,610
But then you're going from a mountain, large-style home to a modern home, right?

2670
04:18:30,610 --> 04:18:32,990
like that, that really is a complete design change.

2671
04:18:33,250 --> 04:18:35,150
And so that's where it went.

2672
04:18:35,290 --> 04:18:37,730
We haven't found the solution other than that yet.

2673
04:18:39,970 --> 04:18:43,550
Yeah, just let me ask you this, forgetting the chimneys

2674
04:18:43,550 --> 04:18:45,890
or what have you, as I understand it,

2675
04:18:45,950 --> 04:18:48,090
you know, this is a bi-ripe thing.

2676
04:18:48,110 --> 04:18:49,890
This is not kind of an osd discretion thing.

2677
04:18:50,490 --> 04:18:52,610
So you're putting inside the SLO.

2678
04:18:53,230 --> 04:18:55,290
You have 28 feet, and as long as you make it a picture,

2679
04:18:55,390 --> 04:18:58,370
if you get 33 feet, it's not kind of anyone's discretion.

2680
04:18:58,370 --> 04:19:01,070
And that's by right as I understand it, right?

2681
04:19:01,430 --> 04:19:02,550
That's correct, completely.

2682
04:19:02,690 --> 04:19:04,950
We're just asking for the same code,

2683
04:19:04,990 --> 04:19:06,450
you know, application because of the same way

2684
04:19:06,450 --> 04:19:07,510
that it was for everybody else.

2685
04:19:07,650 --> 04:19:08,770
I'm going to call the packages by exactly.

2686
04:19:09,550 --> 04:19:13,070
Yeah. And so the reason why starfall, whoever can ask for that

2687
04:19:13,070 --> 04:19:15,770
to come down is because of the sort of discretion

2688
04:19:15,770 --> 04:19:17,570
you're getting with the SLR.

2689
04:19:18,910 --> 04:19:20,710
So, you know, my view on this is,

2690
04:19:20,730 --> 04:19:23,190
I don't think we need to kind of put that condition in.

2691
04:19:23,190 --> 04:19:25,270
I think kind of by right, you would get that 33.

2692
04:19:25,530 --> 04:19:27,650
I'm not, you know, if it goes above that for the chimneys,

2693
04:19:27,650 --> 04:19:31,810
that's kind of a different thing, but I think kind of the code says you get 33 and that's

2694
04:19:31,810 --> 04:19:34,050
a separate thing to this SLO situation,

2695
04:19:38,560 --> 04:19:41,140
whether that's a detriment there or not, so that's

2696
04:19:41,140 --> 04:19:42,280
where I'd come out with it.

2697
04:19:53,820 --> 04:20:04,140
Other comments or feelings or how are people thinking about height with what Matt just proposed?

2698
04:20:05,860 --> 04:20:08,340
So, you guys cut out on me so I don't sure what happened.

2699
04:20:08,640 --> 04:20:11,880
The last couple of seconds I think we cut out, but I think we all got the just of what

2700
04:20:11,880 --> 04:20:13,460
I

2701
04:20:21,360 --> 04:20:44,730
find Matt's points to be valid, you know, I understand the roof pitch provides additional height and I'm inclined to agree with that assessment and I'm also at this point inclined to move to a lot of 33 feet.

2702
04:20:44,730 --> 04:20:46,370
I still,

2703
04:20:48,440 --> 04:20:56,340
I don't know if the chimneys can be moved so that's the best prominent in the design if that's the possibility still.

2704
04:20:57,120 --> 04:21:00,900
Yeah, I think that's certainly something we can explore making the most prominent.

2705
04:21:01,440 --> 04:21:06,860
We're moving them in locations that maybe they're not as tall or crossing as far out.

2706
04:21:06,860 --> 04:21:08,040
That's outside of my Bailey Wick.

2707
04:21:08,420 --> 04:21:08,700
Okay.

2708
04:21:09,060 --> 04:21:11,680
Definitely not the architect, but this road I was here.

2709
04:21:12,440 --> 04:21:20,720
So, you know, we have to get the variety of mechanical equipment up through the roof of one

2710
04:21:20,720 --> 04:21:28,240
form of fashion. So, and typically around different subdivisions were required to create

2711
04:21:28,240 --> 04:21:34,700
a box around those. So, you don't have a series of metal pipes jumping out of the roof.

2712
04:21:34,880 --> 04:21:40,700
I mean, you have to, sometimes we can do stuff horizontally, but, you know, most of the time

2713
04:21:40,700 --> 04:21:46,640
we have to take those pipes up through the roof, same thing with fireplaces, you know,

2714
04:21:46,820 --> 04:21:53,640
you can, that fireplaces probably can be dealt with in the sense that there's a lot

2715
04:21:53,640 --> 04:22:00,220
of horizontal solutions for the plants as long as you're just doing gas fireplaces, but, you

2716
04:22:00,220 --> 04:22:07,100
know, we're trying to get mechanical equipment out through it's, you know, it's the decision

2717
04:22:07,100 --> 04:22:14,360
of having pipes that are better, that are shiny, that are sticking up above the roof versus the

2718
04:22:14,360 --> 04:22:22,780
nice looking chimney. So it's, it's, it's a lot of it is like just and it's said, you know, it

2719
04:22:22,780 --> 04:22:25,120
provides a little bit of

2720
04:22:27,240 --> 04:22:29,880
feeling of movement in the outpatients.

2721
04:22:30,000 --> 04:22:34,400
But the chimney suits well. So it's an architectural thing.

2722
04:22:38,580 --> 04:22:45,680
So I like them. We've got 28 feet. We've got the cable height that allows for an extra five feet.

2723
04:22:46,340 --> 04:22:49,220
So we're really, we're just looking at the additional chimney height.

2724
04:22:53,040 --> 04:22:59,900
Yeah. The condition is worth it to require elimination or relocation of chimney stormers that they would does.

2725
04:23:00,260 --> 04:23:03,660
Okay. So you're asking to get rid of the dormers also.

2726
04:23:03,660 --> 04:23:05,820
And keep everything at 28.

2727
04:23:07,280 --> 04:23:10,840
That's how it's, that's what's recommended in the final action letter.

2728
04:23:14,440 --> 04:23:18,240
It's like you're inclined to go to 33 and then go to that.

2729
04:23:18,240 --> 04:23:19,620
That way, that's.

2730
04:23:19,800 --> 04:23:25,060
Now, I just wanted to understand, you know, what can with the baseline is 28 feet.

2731
04:23:25,300 --> 04:23:33,260
And then if there was an allowance for for dormers on top of that, but what I hear Alex saying is that their recommendation is 28 feet.

2732
04:23:33,260 --> 04:23:43,500
I think Rick's point about rather than having pipe stick up through a roof that's nice to have them in a enclosure and enclosure be in a chimney.

2733
04:23:48,580 --> 04:23:49,380
Thank you for the clarification.

2734
04:23:54,620 --> 04:24:07,360
Yeah, I think that just to be clear that the five foot allowance for chimneys and sort of masking around you that's also in the code that's allowed it's not something we're requesting as an exception in some way it is loud.

2735
04:24:16,860 --> 04:24:24,540
at this point I'm inclined to I'm comfortable striking seven in eight from the conditions of approval.

2736
04:24:28,250 --> 04:24:32,910
If you were, I'm sorry, or John, keep it in there but modify the 28

2737
04:24:35,730 --> 04:24:37,870
to 33 to

2738
04:24:38,530 --> 04:24:43,950
Rick, are you saying modify the 28 and make it 33 and condition seven?

2739
04:24:44,610 --> 04:24:50,570
Yeah, I mean, John suggested striking seven, but I'm just saying maybe we keep seven in there

2740
04:24:50,570 --> 04:24:58,170
as you said. And go to that. I'm 33. Yeah. Change the 28 to 33. Right. What the allowance for

2741
04:24:58,170 --> 04:25:10,150
life is for a chimney? Well, you do. Yeah. So you strike 8, but make the 28 33. Yeah. Yeah.

2742
04:25:10,490 --> 04:25:17,530
Strike 8 completely. Matt. Yeah, because they've got that extra hard for gym needs. It's

2743
04:25:17,530 --> 04:25:23,550
under the code. So yeah, but do you want to? Yeah, but do you want to keep the part that says that

2744
04:25:24,750 --> 04:25:28,290
that's still the design has to blend with natural contour of the hillside reduced

2745
04:25:28,290 --> 04:25:32,570
silhouettes against skyline? Yeah, because because that goes to the SLO.

2746
04:25:33,670 --> 04:25:39,730
If I'm really quick, I don't think we want to say that the zone height is 33. I mean, I would love that

2747
04:25:39,730 --> 04:25:44,130
if we did, but I think that's a that's a height variance. We would be acting almost like legislative

2748
04:25:44,130 --> 04:25:50,470
to change the zone height through a condition of approval, I think, and then there could be an argument

2749
04:25:50,470 --> 04:25:55,310
that we're not required to actually have before a pitch to get the 33 feet because it says that

2750
04:25:55,310 --> 04:26:01,630
we have 33 feet of height. So I think to effectuate what you're saying though, if we leave 7 the way it

2751
04:26:01,630 --> 04:26:09,170
is that that is 7 is just repeating the quote. The code is that our zone height is 28 feet.

2752
04:26:13,570 --> 04:26:14,090
That's

2753
04:26:14,090 --> 04:26:17,830
And then if you're comfortable with 33 feet for the five-foot allowance,

2754
04:26:20,730 --> 04:26:24,410
we could just modify eight to make that clear and the earlier thing that you can

2755
04:26:24,410 --> 04:26:33,090
have the 33 feet for the 4-8 pitch. But then we can say that the chimneys need to come in and

2756
04:26:33,090 --> 04:26:37,830
not another five feet above that. So I think that's if that's the concern. I don't know how

2757
04:26:37,830 --> 04:26:39,810
adequately addressing the concern.

2758
04:26:42,560 --> 04:26:44,580
Well, do you see the chimneys coming in

2759
04:26:44,580 --> 04:26:48,660
And starting at the 33 feet and going up five additional feet?

2760
04:26:48,820 --> 04:26:52,280
I think there is at least one chimney that's on the peak that I mean we run everything

2761
04:26:52,280 --> 04:26:57,680
to the peak and so in one of the locations it is, it is at a 33 feet and then goes five.

2762
04:26:58,840 --> 04:27:01,720
But I'm sure we could work within something where we say, you know, it's only going to

2763
04:27:01,720 --> 04:27:06,400
go three feet above or two feet above the peak of 33.

2764
04:27:06,600 --> 04:27:10,320
I think that probably better affects what you're getting at.

2765
04:27:10,320 --> 04:27:15,320
I'd be more comfortable with that, put putting a slight reduction on the chimney.

2766
04:27:16,140 --> 04:27:18,120
Yeah, okay, the two reworks.

2767
04:27:18,760 --> 04:27:21,720
So the pipes will go up to two feet, three feet.

2768
04:27:21,820 --> 04:27:27,160
Yeah, especially towards the ridge where you don't have to have as much clearance.

2769
04:27:27,900 --> 04:27:32,740
Of course, on distance, me, to end up playing with the roof surface.

2770
04:27:34,860 --> 04:27:38,080
Oh, yeah, we can work with that.

2771
04:27:39,340 --> 04:27:49,940
Okay, show it. In light of that, do we need to, um, the final action letter needs to be modified?

2772
04:27:50,960 --> 04:27:56,820
Yeah, and just to confirm, I understand the commission is wanting to strike condition of approval seven,

2773
04:27:57,300 --> 04:28:04,980
and then modify condition of approval eight to limit the height of chimneys two. Was it three feet? Is it supposed to, by feet?

2774
04:28:04,980 --> 04:28:07,500
that was leave seven

2775
04:28:09,900 --> 04:28:12,680
leave seven I'm sorry no we would strike seven because it says

2776
04:28:12,680 --> 04:28:20,620
she'll reduce that but okay I apologize and we'll show it to them but but I

2777
04:28:20,620 --> 04:28:26,700
meant to say you don't want to make the zone height 33 yeah that's good keep it

2778
04:28:26,700 --> 04:28:32,720
it right we don't need a condition of approval the zone height is 28 plus with

2779
04:28:32,720 --> 04:28:41,580
able roof in 1983. The code is allowing for the defy feet. So then strikes seven and then eight.

2780
04:28:44,310 --> 04:28:47,530
Eight we could say that the application, you know, you know,

2781
04:28:47,530 --> 04:28:51,910
the helmet, the helmet, all chimneys, dormers,

2782
04:28:52,830 --> 04:28:58,210
to no more than three feet above. Fine, I'm fine with that. The 33 foot height.

2783
04:29:01,430 --> 04:29:02,950
Three additional feet.

2784
04:29:15,510 --> 04:29:18,950
And I think it's not about existing grade above the sound.

2785
04:29:27,580 --> 04:29:33,710
The zone high is designed to 28 feet, so if we say about the roof.

2786
04:29:35,200 --> 04:29:42,060
Yeah. Yeah. The highest point of the roof, which is 1 minute to 13.

2787
04:29:42,660 --> 04:29:49,240
33. By the way, I think the cool you were saying you could even bring it down a little from the highest point of the roof.

2788
04:29:49,740 --> 04:29:55,400
Yeah, I think we can look at it. And this kind of created design that blends with the natural control side reduces silhouette.

2789
04:29:55,400 --> 04:29:59,980
We're okay with all that. We're gonna try to make that happen. Okay, but we do need

2790
04:30:02,600 --> 04:30:03,040
Okay,

2791
04:30:06,610 --> 04:30:10,190
is that wording okay, Justin? Yeah, yes, I'm good with that language.

2792
04:30:10,390 --> 04:30:11,370
Back there, are you good with that?

2793
04:30:12,450 --> 04:30:13,690
Yeah, okay, okay.

2794
04:30:13,830 --> 04:30:22,510
So just to recap, we've got code height of 28 feet, cable height additional five.

2795
04:30:22,730 --> 04:30:23,190
That's great.

2796
04:30:23,390 --> 04:30:26,130
And then chimneys no more than three additional feet.

2797
04:30:27,170 --> 04:30:27,290
Okay.

2798
04:30:27,390 --> 04:30:28,490
I'm not the highest point.

2799
04:30:28,490 --> 04:30:31,910
Okay, all right, all right.

2800
04:30:38,380 --> 04:30:45,940
As a minute, Chair Van Dyne, I'd like to make a motion to approve the sensitive land overlay

2801
04:30:45,940 --> 04:30:52,060
hardship relief request for a 1364 golden way based on the findings of fact,

2802
04:30:52,140 --> 04:30:58,660
conclusions of law and conditions of approval as outlined in the amended draft final action

2803
04:30:59,480 --> 04:31:00,240
letter.

2804
04:31:00,240 --> 04:31:06,120
We have a motion by Commissioner Shand, second by Commissioner Frontero, all those in favor.

2805
04:31:06,420 --> 04:31:06,600
Hi.

2806
04:31:07,960 --> 04:31:08,660
All right.

2807
04:31:09,920 --> 04:31:11,580
We did it with the regular agenda.

2808
04:31:12,520 --> 04:31:13,400
Thank you, guys.

2809
04:31:13,500 --> 04:31:13,820
A little more.

2810
04:31:13,860 --> 04:31:14,640
Motion houses.

2811
04:31:16,240 --> 04:31:20,980
We will make sure we get to those work session items next meeting.

2812
04:31:21,740 --> 04:31:22,540
The promise.

2813
04:31:25,040 --> 04:31:26,580
Motion to adjourn.

2814
04:31:26,900 --> 04:31:37,760
I can just say if you have had an opportunity to review the staff reports, do you have any input that you'd like to provide to us beforehand?

2815
04:31:38,280 --> 04:31:40,920
That would be helpful as we prepare for the next meeting.

2816
04:31:41,420 --> 04:31:41,860
Thank you Rebecca.

2817
04:31:42,660 --> 04:31:44,840
Thank you.

2818
04:31:44,840 --> 04:31:46,440
Thank you.