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[0:00] Pause.
[0:02] Okay. Good evening again. Welcome everyone. Thank you for being here for this meeting of the Historic Preservation Commission.
[0:11] On this second day of September, 2026. It's nice to have people out there. Could we have a roll call?
[0:22] Yes, Chair Madingley.
[0:26] Commissioner Pantachali.
[0:28] Here.
[0:28] Commissioner McNally.
[0:31] Commissioner Rose Absent.
[0:33] Commissioner Healey.
[0:35] Commissioner Pierce.
[0:37] Here.
[0:37] Is here.
[0:40] Commissioner Eggard.
[0:42] We have a quorum.
[0:43] Wonderful.
[0:44] Okay.
[0:44] Moving along.
[0:45] Could I have a motion with regard to the minutes.
[0:48] Approval of the minutes from the last meeting.
[0:50] is everybody had a chance to look at them in any questions, questions, every motion?
[0:59] I will make a motion to approve.
[1:01] Second.
[1:02] Second.
[1:03] Thank you.
[1:04] I do have two.
[1:05] Two.
[1:07] Typos.
[1:07] They're very small.
[1:12] Discussion items.
[1:14] Paragraph.
[1:15] Section one.
[1:16] Second paragraph.
[1:17] Get garnering more interest in application submittals.
[1:20] I think there should be an S there.
[1:22] And then, a few paragraphs down,
[1:27] a planner scope already stated that he's in the process of discussing this,
[1:31] I strike the word over.
[1:33] It's discussing this with the public works department.
[1:36] But other than that, I think it's just fine.
[1:38] You're welcome.
[1:41] I'm sorry, I'm picky sometimes.
[1:43] All right, Kim, we have a vote saying all in favor of approving
[1:50] with those slight little tweaks.
[1:53] All in favor?
[1:54] All right.
[1:55] Any opposed?
[1:56] Wonderful, thank you.
[1:58] All right.
[2:00] We have no designation review cases tonight,
[2:03] but we do have two 100-year-old houses
[2:06] that we want to celebrate.
[2:07] The first one is OH2604 at 116 Bellplane Avenue.
[2:16] Would you like to review your memo?
[2:20] Thank you, Chair. As introduced, this is 1-1-6 Bell Plain Avenue, case number OH-2-6-0-0-0-0-4.
[2:29] Robert and Anna Kerber, applicant and owner of 1-1-6 Bell Plain Avenue, are applying for the 100-year-old home certificate from the Historic Preservation Commission for their single family home.
[2:41] According to Cook County Treasurer records, the House's Honey of Year 100 years old in the
[2:46] came the structure was built in 1926.
[2:50] The information provided by the applicant and the supporting documentation from Cook County
[2:54] records indicate the property meets the qualifications for a hundred-year-old home certificate.
[2:59] The applicant is here and staff is here if you have any questions.
[3:03] Does anyone have any questions of staff?
[3:07] Anybody have a question of the applicant?
[3:08] I can tell you a little bit about the house.
[3:12] Perfect.
[3:13] How long have you lived in it?
[3:17] Wow.
[3:18] One, that's the way.
[3:20] Could you identify, could you identify yourself first?
[3:24] So we have in the notes.
[3:26] My name is Robert Kerber, KER, B.E.R.
[3:29] Thank you.
[3:32] Yes, we purchased the house above 50 years ago.
[3:35] My wife and I, she loved the house when she saw it.
[3:39] And I think we're only the third
[3:41] people that's lived in the house. It's a raised ranch. It's a stucco house with a
[3:48] a tile green tile roof. It's kind of an unusual roof. I didn't really care for the roof at the time,
[3:56] but we've come to love the house and we love the neighborhood and in the neighbors.
[4:03] That's wonderful. That roof probably has a long life. Yes, the tiles roof. There used to be a mirror
[4:09] one next to us, which no one took care of, and they knocked it down, so we're the only
[4:15] only one left like that, and it's kind of an unusual house.
[4:21] Well, thank you very much.
[4:23] Thank you.
[4:23] Could I have a motion with regard to...
[4:27] Oh man, make a motion.
[4:28] Okay.
[4:29] I motion that the HPC approved the 100-year-old home certificate for the single family home
[4:36] at one 16-bell plane avenue as shown in the submitted plans attached to the staff for memorandum
[4:44] case number o h-6-0-4 there a second thank you all in favor any opposed
[5:00] All right. Well, you get a birthday card.
[5:06] Would you
[5:21] like to come forward and have your picture taken?
[5:24] We have the certificate available for you to take home with you.
[5:59] Thank you, congratulations.
[6:03] All right.
[6:07] And we have a second-hundred-year-old house
[6:12] that we got a sub-middle-on for this meeting tonight.
[6:19] It's a case number OH2605 at 108 north-mirall street.
[6:26] Would you like to speak to the question?
[6:31] Yes.
[6:31] Thank you chair as introduced.
[6:33] This is 108 North Merrill Street,
[6:34] Case Number, OHDS-26-05.
[6:39] Keith Henneman and Alice Dote,
[6:42] Elster Brinsky,
[6:43] Applicant Owner of 108 North Merrill Street,
[6:46] or applying for the 100 year old homes certificate
[6:47] on the historic preservation commission
[6:50] for the single family home,
[6:51] kind of to cook county treasury records,
[6:54] the house is 100 years old
[6:55] years old and decaying the structure was built in 1926. The information provided by the applicant
[7:01] and the supporting documentation from Cook County records indicate the property meets the qualifications
[7:06] for a hundred-year-old home certificate. The applicant is present. Staffs here if you have any questions.
[7:13] Does anyone on the commission have questions of staff? No. Any questions of the owner?
[7:20] Would you like to say anything since you're here?
[7:24] Introduce yourself.
[7:29] Hi, I'm Alice.
[7:29] I'm Brent ski.
[7:31] And I'm Keith Henneman.
[7:34] And we've had the house about 11 years and have really worked to preserve the details.
[7:42] So for example, we have, there's a chandelier in the dining room and we had, you know,
[7:48] wasn't working.
[7:49] And we took it to the lamp shop to have it rewired.
[7:52] and they told us that it was likely from the 40s.
[7:56] So it's just really nice to have some of those,
[7:59] there's even like old tyrax that are attached
[8:03] to the inside of some of the closets,
[8:06] and we just left them in there.
[8:07] It's really fun, yeah.
[8:10] And it's interesting because it's a yellow brick
[8:16] Chicago bungalow, and so what I love so much about the neighbors
[8:22] that we're in is that there's so much different architecture in there, and wouldn't you know
[8:28] it? There is a house that is almost exactly like ours right next door. So like they were built
[8:34] around the same. And I can tell that for sure because we found like an archived photo from the Tribune.
[8:44] It was like an aerial photo from I think I think it was in the early 30s or late 20s. And
[8:51] It's a photo of looking northwest toward the country club.
[8:59] And there's nothing beyond the country club.
[9:01] It's just forest.
[9:03] And you can look on our street.
[9:04] And there's maybe total under a dozen houses on there.
[9:09] And square in the middle of the street are these two Chicago bungalows,
[9:13] just right next to each other.
[9:16] So it's been pretty awesome just to be able to just
[9:19] enjoy the place and the history of it. Wonderful. Would someone like to make a motion with
[9:26] regard to issuing a certificate to celebrate a 100? Okay. I got it down. Okay, I motion that
[9:35] the HPC approved the 100 year old home certificate for the single family home at 1 0 8 north
[9:46] as shown in the submitted plans attached to the staff memorandum, case 0H-2605.
[9:57] There is second.
[10:00] Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Wonderful. Congratulations. Thank you.
[10:08] Thank you. I mean, this house looks beautiful.
[10:11] Thank you. I mean, really, the landscaping, everything is just beautiful.
[10:16] Awesome. Thank you so much.
[10:19] Did you do it the work yourself?
[10:21] Or did you?
[10:21] The landscaping, we soon after we moved in, we hired, like a landscape architect, there we go, they go designer, yes, from here in Park Ridge, and they did a gorgeous job.
[10:38] Would you like to have your picture taken?
[10:56] Thank
[11:14] you.
[11:16] You're all welcome to stay.
[11:18] You might be interested in what we're doing next.
[11:21] All
[11:31] right. Thank you very much. If you'd like to stay, I'm serious. You might enjoy the next part of our meeting.
[11:38] We have several discussion items, but the first one is a presentation of the survey that was conducted of the L-hage's area east of the city hall here.
[11:50] We call it sometimes the pretzel area because there are a few curving streets in there
[11:56] So
[12:00] Oh, I forgot the awards
[12:02] Do we can do that later?
[12:04] No, we can do that later. Let's let's do the presentation. Get to work
[12:09] Would you like to introduce yourself and your firm and yes?
[12:14] I'm Erica Rizero with the firm McGuire-Gasping Associates. We are a
[12:22] are 25 years. And we were selected to do the historic, the intensive historic resources for
[12:31] the El Hajj's Edition, which I was speaking to as soon as I get this button.
[12:41] And also, at
[12:42] 16 South Washington in our survey area, there is an identical bungalow to one way to work
[12:52] The little tidbits that you can tell us.
[12:56] I've seen that one before.
[13:39] It's the other mirroring.
[13:44] This is the mirror.
[13:46] The blue goes away.
[13:57] Technology.
[13:58] What would we do without it?
[14:05] It's almost full screen.
[14:08] It's almost full screen.
[14:09] It's working on the manga there.
[14:12] It's just not working up there.
[14:14] Oh, um, but it's, it's working here, so we want them to see it.
[14:25] Yeah,
[14:28] do you want to come and sit and come feature?
[14:31] It's perfectly okay. We don't fight.
[14:36] Come on around.
[15:01] And I try this, the USB-C.
[15:20] That's a nice view.
[15:21] Yeah, like that one.
[15:23] Wait, what is it?
[15:27] I was like, wait, is it my cat?
[15:45] Screen doesn't even look on.
[15:52] Well, let me open this one now, that way we can,
[16:02] yeah, if everyone can see
[16:05] Okay, we should be good, okay.
[16:09] No.
[16:11] Well, it's good to see most of you again.
[16:14] It's been a few months since I've been here,
[16:16] but we are quickly approaching the end
[16:20] to the El Hodges Historic Resources Survey.
[16:23] Last week I did like a final QAQC review.
[16:27] It's going to go off to Shippo for their blessing
[16:29] and final review.
[16:31] that's the state historic preservation of that.
[16:37] I'll try to say the first one out and then so tonight I just want to do a presentation for the commission in the public on what the survey was in some of our findings and recommendations and as sort of a little run through before we present the survey to city council hopefully next month.
[17:00] So, Project Purpose, as I mentioned, this was a intensive historic resources survey, which was
[17:08] initiative led by the Historic Preservation Commission for the City to document the existing
[17:13] built environment of historically what was the El Hajj's edition, and I'll speak to what that was
[17:20] in a moment. As Joan mentioned, it's colloquially known as the Prencil, Neighborhood. It is the area
[17:27] you can see here, bounded by about Butler place on the north,
[17:34] vine Avenue or the railroad right away on the east,
[17:38] bell plain avenue on the south,
[17:39] and then the east side of Portland Avenue on the west.
[17:44] And the documentation of the survey
[17:45] was really driven by several historic preservation goals
[17:48] identified by the city, including the promotion
[17:52] of preservation through the identification
[17:54] of historical, cultural, and architecturally significant resources,
[17:59] and then dissemination of the neighborhood's history.
[18:02] Collaboration with other entities, including the State Historic Preservation Office,
[18:07] which is actually assisting with project funding through a certified local government grant.
[18:13] And then the last school was to support the critical implementation
[18:16] of these survey programs outlined in the city's 2024 Historic Preservation Plan.
[18:23] So the intensive survey really will support these goals by cataloging each resource, there are
[18:30] 193 primary resources within the survey area, plus two parks, rotary and ridge park.
[18:38] And it prepares an accompanying survey report that catalogs the neighborhood's physical
[18:42] setting, character, sense of place and contextual history. The report further documents the
[18:47] textural heritage of the El Hajj's edition over the last 150 years. It was first plated in 1873,
[18:56] or 1872, 1873, and that architectural heritage is really illustrated by the existing architectural
[19:04] styles and building types that I'll talk to in a little bit. So a little bit about our project
[19:11] methodology, prior to beginning the survey, the city of Park Ridge actually provided us an initial
[19:16] list of addresses and a survey boundary, which is the red area on the map.
[19:23] From the initial list, we developed the digital resource inventory utilizing the ArcGIS
[19:28] certainly 1, 2, 3 program, and that eventually was actually created or transformed into an
[19:34] interactive web map, which I'll show at the end of the presentation.
[19:38] The inventory catalogs all individual property documentation, including address, still the
[19:43] type, style, historic information, including owner, architect if we could find it, and data
[19:50] construction.
[19:52] And I also provided a detailed architectural picture for each of those properties within
[19:56] the survey area.
[19:59] As the field survey.
[20:00] We then completed our civil research on each property. We went to repositories at the City of Parkridge, the Parkridge Public Library, the Parkridge Historical Society, and then tons of online, digitally-available archives including local histories, real estate listings, city directories, newspaper articles, historic maps, survey plots, and historic photos.
[20:26] We also went through building trade and real state periodicals, including the economists, American
[20:33] contractor, and the real state and building journal.
[20:37] And research was really conducted to obtain that data on each property's date of construction.
[20:42] We don't have original permits available.
[20:45] And Cook County can be accurate, but it's usually off by a few years.
[20:50] The data construction sometimes can reflect when
[20:54] this is reflected on the property.
[20:58] And so, we really want to get all the information accurate
[21:01] and as close to the original data construction and original owner as possible.
[21:07] We also studied broader patterns of history, including
[21:09] we mapped all the overland routes that really started in the 1830s
[21:14] and some of them obviously hundreds of years prior with indigenous settlement.
[21:19] But we really want to understand how indigenous and non-indigenous settlers came to the area
[21:25] that is Park Ridge.
[21:28] Buildings were then evaluated against both the landmark designation standards as well as
[21:33] National Register of Criteria for Evaluation.
[21:36] So we can make recommendations for any properties that may be eligible for individual esteem
[21:42] or as part of a potential future historic district and we do have several recommendations
[21:47] which I'll speak to you towards the end of the presentation.
[21:51] Following the completion of field work, data entry and archival research,
[21:56] we then prepared a comprehensive survey report on not only the history of the addition
[22:01] and its development but also the historic built environment. And then based on that data,
[22:07] we created several recommendations to support future preservation of the historic resources
[22:12] in the survey area.
[22:15] A little bit on the history and development of
[22:17] park bridge, but then the L-Hodges edition.
[22:20] So the survey area is located on the Central and
[22:26] Central Lands, there we go.
[22:27] Of the Alainai, the Council of the Three Fires and the
[22:30] Sock Tribe.
[22:31] Reminders of park bridges, indigenous history can be found in
[22:35] nearby landmarks.
[22:36] This includes the route of the Northwest Highway through
[22:39] Park Ridge, which was originally a trail used by
[22:42] Native Americans to connect their waterways, hunting
[22:45] ground's invillages. I love this map from really from 1900, but it's depicting all indigenous
[22:53] settlements, trails, mountains, and shipping stations in the year 1804, and you can see
[22:58] a little park ridge. Call out there's a lot of indigenous activity happening within the present
[23:04] day area of park ridge. The Northwest Highway was originally known as the Chicago Displains Road,
[23:12] at least in the 1840 Federal Township plant.
[23:16] It was an extension of a larger route from Chicago
[23:18] to Milwaukee, Wisconsin, predominantly
[23:21] that ran along Milwaukee Avenue today.
[23:25] And before it was known as the Northwest Highway,
[23:27] it was ran road and connected Park Ridge and Displanes,
[23:31] which Displanes was originally known
[23:32] as the settlement of Rand.
[23:35] Another reminder of indigenous history of Park Ridge
[23:38] is a nearby group of forest preserves.
[23:40] you have, if I'm sure you're all familiar, bunker hill,
[23:44] Sydney Yates, flat woods, and Edgebrook woods,
[23:48] before their designations as force preserves,
[23:50] these were actually all Native American reservations.
[23:54] Predominantly four members of the Potawatomi tribe.
[23:58] But by 1860s, they had all been sold off
[24:02] to non-indigenous settlers.
[24:08] As we kind of get deeper into the 1800s,
[24:11] Cook County was officially established in 1831.
[24:14] This is 1841, a flatman of main township.
[24:18] You can see the survey area in the red bounding box.
[24:23] By 1840, around the time of this map,
[24:26] the communities of Wheeling will met Lyons.
[24:29] Summit will, Willow Springs, Blue Island,
[24:32] and Thorin among many others, were thriving
[24:34] agricultural centers within Cook County.
[24:38] In 1848, we have, we got our current form
[24:41] of township government, and Cook County was subdivided into 27 townships, including Maine.
[24:49] The Displains River runs north the south through the township, flanked by dense woodlands,
[24:53] creating a very fertile, rich farmland and abundance of raw materials, which really
[24:58] Are you through settlers?
[25:00] To the area, and settlement was then cow-wise by the first roads in the township, including Talcott Road, which was also first established by name Americans, following Union Ridge. Then we have River Road, Higgins Road, and then Rand Road, or Northwest Highway.
[25:19] The first non-Indigenous seller to the area that would become Maine Township was Captain
[25:24] Wright in 1832, who settled along the Northwest Highway, right in between the communities
[25:31] of Displains in Park Ridge.
[25:34] A wave of settlers from New York and New England primarily arrived in 1833, 1834, settling
[25:41] along the banks of the Displains River, immediately west of present day Park Ridge.
[25:45] In 1835, Captain Mansel Talka, a New York settled near the crossing of what is today to
[25:51] Avenue and the river, and on this site he established the first post office outside of Chicago
[25:56] as well as a trading post.
[25:59] His son Mansel Talka Jr. settled at the intersection of the historic news of Brickton
[26:04] and Cainfield, which he'll talk about in a minute, on the south side of to Avenue, and
[26:09] constructed one of the first houses, they're not the first in present day park bridge.
[26:13] The early settlement period of main township really came to an end with the arrival of the Chicago and Northwestern Railway in 1854, which then began passenger service the following year.
[26:25] And the railroad really ushered in a new area for the communities of main township, and most notably Park Ridge, which was first established as the community of Honeyville in 1854.
[26:36] With the arrival of the railroad early settlers in search of clay opened a brick yard that same year in the vicinity of a present day intersection in Northwest Highway in 2 Avenue.
[26:49] The company manufactured press brick until 1866 when it was sold and it really created the first building material for many of park bridges permanent brick structures.
[27:02] The community that's spring up around this new industry was named Pennyville after one of the founders of the company, George Penny.
[27:10] But it was renamed Brickton at the request of Penny in about circa 1857, 1858.
[27:17] A depot and a post office were established in the fledging community in 1856.
[27:22] Though development in Brickton remains slow throughout the 1850s and 1860s,
[27:27] Growth was slowly capitalized with the establishment of a lumber yard,
[27:34] Plainy Mill, and a sash door and blind factory in the mid-1860s,
[27:39] but it really didn't pick up until the Great Chicago Fire of 1871,
[27:44] which brought in influx of people to Britain. Two years later,
[27:48] two years later residents voted to incorporate the community
[27:51] as the village of Park Ridge and the incorporation ceremony in 1873
[27:56] like one of my favorite stories of Park Ridge,
[28:01] they allegedly sent the, they sent balloons
[28:06] in like the name of Brickton up into the air,
[28:09] as they like re-crisis into the community as Park Ridge,
[28:12] and they just let Brickton like float off into the,
[28:15] into the sunrise, which I think is really,
[28:17] really wholesome and funny.
[28:20] Over the next decades, Park Ridge
[28:22] worked to establish its identity as a picturesque railroad
[28:25] would suburb with the acquaintance and charm of a new England town.
[28:31] The newly-christian communities swiftly set to work in proving the village.
[28:35] The year after incorporation, a central water system was established as well as the first
[28:40] Augustine well.
[28:42] However, the progress was short-lived, because the brickyards, which was the primary manufacturing
[28:47] economy, went into decline, and so the community pivoted.
[28:51] It was still a predominantly rural and agrarian, so the community, several members of the community
[28:57] opened greenhouses on either side of the railroad tracks, and then also increased their
[29:02] agrarian activities, including chicken farming, which was one of the main ones.
[29:08] Throughout the last decade of the 19th century, village improvements continue to evolve with
[29:13] a construction of a large granary school in 1893, which was on the present side of the library.
[29:18] And then obviously, the library was set in motion in 1898 with a donation from Andrew Carnegie,
[29:25] though the 15 years before the library was completed.
[29:28] At the beginning of the 20th century, residents pushed for a change to the city form of government,
[29:33] spurred by the need for paved streets in an upgraded sewer system.
[29:38] So we had our first city council meeting in July 1910.
[29:41] In the following two decades, Park Ridge experienced a major building boom,
[29:45] city dwellers in Chicago, discover the clean residential settings. Alongside these
[29:50] modern improvements in an influx and population, the city retained its classic small
[29:55] town feel. I have lots of social clubs and festivals along with...
[30:00] It was town safety and an abundance of community services. Also, in this period, real state listings began pushing health as a major reason to move to Park Ridge.
[30:10] They felt the city of Chicago was experiencing an ever-increasing population growth and then a result.
[30:19] And as a result, population or pollution had become a great concern. And so now you have a new influx of residents moving to Park Ridge during the early 20th century.
[30:30] And alongside a thriving city of Park Ridge, the El Hodges Edition was built.
[30:36] In the 1860s, this area was south of the railroad tracks into Yavaneu, and it was known
[30:42] as the small village of Kingfield, however the land was largely undeveloped.
[30:48] Almost concurrently with the Great Chicago Fire, again 1871 was the purchase of about 250 acres
[30:57] by prolific real estate developer Leonard Hodges of this area. Between 1871 and 1872 Hodges
[31:05] began dividing the land into large residential parcels, wide streets, and sidewalks. His goal
[31:11] was to create a picturesque neighborhood with winding streets and lots large enough to give each home
[31:16] privacy, as well as a substantial yard, complete with vegetable gardens, fruit trees, and flower beds.
[31:22] Nearby Leonard Hodges donated the land for a park Hodges Park, which would be situated at the heart of the city.
[31:30] Soon thereafter, wealthy individuals construct their homes along Park Place in the Hodges Edition.
[31:35] The area was close to the train station and downtown commercial corridor.
[31:39] South of Park Place homes were constructed throughout the addition in the 180s and 180s,
[31:44] many of these in Victorian styles including Queen Anne and the Schingel style.
[31:50] The 1900s, the frequency of commuter trains increased to part-rich, this drew a new population
[31:55] of upper middle-class commuters to haggis addition.
[31:58] To accommodate the growing population, some blocks in the haggis addition were then subdivided
[32:03] into smaller, more affordable parcels, and was during this period that you have many pre-fabricated
[32:09] or kit homes introduced into the addition, or the Chicago bungalow, and we'll talk a little
[32:15] more about the built environment and how that's reflected, how that reflects the history of the
[32:21] edition today.
[32:24] Since 1872, the El Hajj's edition has experienced several waves of development,
[32:29] that have shaped its present feel and visual character. The edition has retained some key features
[32:33] from the early development period, which was about 1872 to 1890. But most of the extent built
[32:40] environment was constructed between 1890 and 1930, corresponding with the city's primary land boom.
[32:45] As part of the survey, all principal buildings were categorized, first by building type, and then by architectural style.
[32:53] Buildings were identified by their type, which really describes the general form, features and shapes commonly found in historic American residences.
[33:02] Availability of materials and local determine the type of structural systems, materials and millwork found in these buildings.
[33:10] Oradimental and stylistic characteristics of an architectural style such as craftsmen, Queen Anne, or Colonial Revival,
[33:16] were then applied to the exterior of the time and construction, bringing in those details of a specific architectural style.
[33:26] This slide just represents a few of the building technologies. There's a small tabulation in the bottom right corner.
[33:33] There are six different building typologies within the El Hodges Survey area.
[33:40] There's several, I think the highest are the American Forest Square in the bungalow, and
[33:46] you can see that in the center and top-right photo of the top row.
[33:52] But the overwhelming building typology is the single family residence, and over 60 percent
[33:59] of the primary resources within the survey area.
[34:04] And
[34:07] within the survey report, which will be available online, hopefully to the public, all the
[34:13] building types and architectural styles are defined.
[34:18] The architectural heritage of the City of Park Ridge is then further expressed through
[34:22] the diversity of architectural styles found within the survey area.
[34:26] I think there's about like two to three dozen different ones.
[34:30] In architectural style is well defined by common features that are distinctive in overall
[34:35] massing floor plan materials in detail.
[34:38] They may be architect designed or at least display a conscious
[34:41] attempt to incorporate typical architecture features of the period.
[34:46] Of the 193 principal buildings in the survey area, 171
[34:50] or just under 90% can be classified as having an architectural style,
[34:55] whether it's a pure example, a hybrid of styles,
[34:59] or just a few small...
[35:01] Our architectural styles, in the survey area, include craftsmen, colonial revival, minimal traditional tutor, Queen Anne,
[35:09] Mansored as well as new traditional.
[35:16] After we got through all of the history and the built environment,
[35:19] we then looked at evaluating each resource for either eligibility to be listed on the National Register,
[35:25] or designated a local landmark.
[35:29] We utilize for the local landmarking, we utilize the landmark criteria, established in the
[35:34] Park Ridge Code of Ordinances, and for the National Register, we use the criteria
[35:38] evaluation established by the National Park Service.
[35:42] Properties were first evaluated for their age and integrity, under the National Park
[35:46] Services Criteria, a property must be at least 50 years of age to first be considered,
[35:53] whereas under the Code of Ordinances for the City, there's no age requirement, so
[35:57] really all properties all 193 were evaluated for eligibility,
[36:04] at least under local landmarking.
[36:07] Following the determination of age eligibility,
[36:09] all properties were then evaluated for the architectural integrity.
[36:12] Integrity consideration refers the degree of original design
[36:16] and historic material remaining in place,
[36:19] with specific attention to the property's location,
[36:21] setting, design, and materials.
[36:24] So some properties built during the historic period of development for the El Hajj's edition,
[36:29] which is really focused on 1873 to 1968, obviously many of them exist, but if they are altered
[36:37] so that the original design intent cannot be discerned, they have a lower architectural
[36:42] integrity and were determined to be ineligible for listing or designation.
[36:53] So of the 193 principal resources survey, 10 were found to be individually eligible and
[36:59] to assess significant architectural or historical significance
[37:03] to be designated as a local landmark.
[37:08] Simultaneously, 121 properties were determined
[37:12] to have sufficient integrity and contribute
[37:14] to the broader character and sense of place
[37:16] for the L-Hodges edition,
[37:19] warrant further research into establishing
[37:22] a local landmark district around the L-Hodges edition.
[37:26] The survey area would be the district we roughly bounded by Courtland Avenue to the West,
[37:32] Butler Place on the North, the Union Pacific Railroad Tracks to the East, and then
[37:39] Bell Plane on the South.
[37:41] It is our recommendation though that prior to undertaking any historic district designation,
[37:47] there are other areas in the immediate vicinity of our survey area, which were historically
[37:52] associated with the L-Hage's addition that should also be surveyed to make sure that the district fully encompasses.
[38:01] And the either the L-Hage's addition or at least is a fully educated decision is made before the boundaries of the district are set.
[38:11] With National Redshirt listing of the 193 principal buildings,
[38:15] At least three were determined to meet the age and integrity requirements as well as the National Register of Criteria for Evaluation.
[38:23] Also simultaneously, it's our recommendation that there are at least, again, 121 contributing buildings to the El Hages edition.
[38:34] So you also have the opportunity to do a national register, historic district as well, once that those other areas are surveyed.
[38:43] Furthermore, the survey also concluded that 70 properties would be eligible for
[38:48] listing under a multiple property documentation for kit homes.
[38:53] A multiple property documentation, or an MPD, is really a thematic listing.
[38:58] So it is a district, but it doesn't have contiguous boundaries.
[39:02] It is more thematic, and so the MPD serves as a context statement or cover document,
[39:09] with which then you can nominate individual properties under, but it really takes on the burden of preparing
[39:18] 70 different individual national rights sure nominations because they can all be listed under this one
[39:25] thematic listing, but because they are a discontinuous district, that's why it's not a district, but a multiple property documentation.
[39:34] And
[39:39] then just to go into kind of conclude and sum up some of our recommendations, based off our field observations research, as well as reviewing the National Register and the local landmark evaluation.
[39:54] Our first two recommendations focus on working with property owners to designate or live.
[40:00] This is the properties identified as eligible on the national register or as a local landmark, either individually or as part of one of those districts.
[40:10] Our second recommendation is really focused on extending the survey and expanding upon this report to include two key areas, one to the west of the current survey area, and one to the south of the survey area, which were historically part of the L-hages edition.
[40:28] But then we're re-subdivided over time, so they kind of they lost their name connection to El Hodges, but they were first established as well as part of the El Hodges edition.
[40:42] We also recommend to ensure all survey documentation is readily available and accessible to the public, and I'll get to our web map or interactive web map in a moment.
[40:52] And we also recommend to create a sort of preservation design guidelines, the City of Park
[40:58] Rive Ridge, currently does not have comprehensive set of design guidelines.
[41:03] And throughout the survey of the individual buildings in the Hodge's edition, we did note
[41:07] that several historic buildings were identified as non-contributing because they had
[41:11] experienced a loss of architectural integrity to unsympathetic or unsensitive alterations.
[41:19] And because guidelines will really be helpful and illustrative and user-friendly, serving really
[41:25] as more of a resource to encourage appropriate rehabilitation of historic properties while also
[41:30] promoting compatible and sensitive new construction within a historic event.
[41:36] We also recommended enacting a city-wide demolition delay ordinance.
[41:41] This is really where the city can have the most impact on the demolition of historic resources.
[41:49] We found that since the end of the periodistic significance for the El Hodges edition,
[41:55] the neighborhood has experienced a demolition rate of about 20%.
[41:59] So fifth of the historic resources within the edition have already been lost.
[42:04] And even when we were doing our survey, there were like two or three new demolitions
[42:10] and new construction ongoing, so taking to be able to take a step back with a demo delay
[42:18] ordinance in at least work with property owners to determine if there is a path forward for
[42:24] preservation.
[42:25] I think we think is really helpful a lot of times these demolition should go on unnoticed.
[42:31] It doesn't mean that it's going to prevent demolition, but at least creates a delay so a conversation
[42:36] can happen.
[42:36] And if demolition can't be prevented, we recommended requiring the completion of historic architectural impact study.
[42:46] This documents the history of an individual property.
[42:50] I think it really serves more as a halbs light and there are several communities along the North Shore,
[42:56] within the North Shore communities of Chicago that require this prior to demolition,
[43:01] that way that history and the architectural heritage is not lost.
[43:06] It's a least documented, even if the demolition has to go forward.
[43:13] I will bring up the web map, but if you're curious,
[43:16] at the little QR code is the GIS web map.
[43:26] But so we took all the survey information,
[43:28] and we put it into a online survey map,
[43:34] which essentially, as a short introduction about the survey,
[43:37] Once the survey report is approved by the State Historic Preservation Office, that will be linked here as well, that way it's immediately accessible.
[43:46] There's a how to use guide, and then once you click out, this is our map of survey properties.
[43:53] And each property can be clicked on, and then the survey report will populate.
[43:59] has all of the historic information, data construction, and then the architectural description
[44:06] with building type and style, foundation roof windows, doors, porches, significant character
[44:13] defining features, as well as any notes related to history, the designation evaluation,
[44:21] and then current photos as well, or at least from this past winter when we took them, and that
[44:26] is available for each property and then you can also toggle there's a legend and layers and you can
[44:33] toggle between layers. So if you want to see the decades of construction you can turn that
[44:40] layer on and then the legend is available and so you can toggle between each one and just explore
[44:47] each property within the survey area and then also that survey report would be available as well
[44:52] the public to kind of dive deeper into the history of the actual neighborhood and that.
[45:03] Thank you all for that was long sorry.
[45:09] And happy to answer any any questions. What was the name of the, if I wanted to go see the, what you were just describing here, where do we go?
[45:18] Oh sure. Let me just pull up the QR code again.
[45:23] If you scan that QR code, it should take you right to that website.
[45:30] Sorry about that.
[45:32] I could have been a whercilar.
[45:37] I could have been a whercilar.
[45:38] Any other questions?
[45:43] The question?
[45:44] Oh, I was like, you'll send, I can't.
[45:46] You are a quoted.
[45:47] Oh, sorry.
[45:48] I thought you had closer.
[45:48] Oh, no, no.
[45:49] No, no.
[45:50] Is there another way to get it?
[45:53] I sent it to John.
[45:55] Yeah.
[45:55] I sent it directly.
[45:56] Thank you.
[45:58] Did excellent.
[45:58] Thanks.
[45:59] It was a really interesting time.
[46:04] John and I were gaited on him.
[46:06] for you in there in that area? I am.
[46:10] Yeah.
[46:11] Okay, which one?
[46:12] 520s to it.
[46:14] Okay.
[46:15] It was the out of the zone there.
[46:16] Yeah.
[46:19] Yeah.
[46:23] Thank you very much.
[46:24] Great.
[46:24] You mentioned, sorry, the first house.
[46:29] Is the first house in that area?
[46:32] It wasn't the area, but it's demolished.
[46:34] Oh, yeah.
[46:34] Yeah, one of the first houses.
[46:36] So the first house in Perk Ridge was built by Warner and Stevens,
[46:41] which was the site of the Masonic Temple.
[46:44] I think one, one, five more, one more of a highway.
[46:50] But then a Talcot sun filled in early residents
[46:54] within what became the building built, which is this.
[46:58] Up near Citizen Spanker, up near the bank, right?
[47:06] And then one of the properties we recommended for landmarking though is the home of Parkridge's first mayor, which is pretty exciting to find that out.
[47:18] And then there's some of the other homes are just related to either.
[47:24] So if we can't keep all in history such as Roboc, Roboc, of Sears and Roboc, or just really great examples of the particular.
[47:34] Next door to the first mayor's house is the fourth mayor's house.
[47:38] Oh, really?
[47:40] I'll have to double check. We have that.
[47:49] We've been having some conversation about historic districts.
[47:52] And I was wondering what your experience is with regard to historic districts.
[48:00] Our ordinance at Presence is what 50% plus one, but I think the ordinance will be amended
[48:10] and will go to 100% be engaged in being districted.
[48:19] Yeah, but have you run into that in other places or what what what is typical in terms of like contributing resources would be
[48:29] Or what do you mean what's the I guess what's the percentages for?
[48:35] Yeah, I'm not okay. Go ahead.
[48:36] I was just going to say in regards for an individual to be able to submit an application and 50% plus one of the consent of the of the property owners that are would be within the district.
[48:47] Yeah, so I believe the national red shirt is just like a majority, whatever the majority is, and so when I do a national red shirt district, if it's over 50 property owners, it actually is just an announcement and announcement in the newspaper, it's under 50 property owners, it's actual certified letter, so I would say for most of my districts and I've done actually more districts in the digital property listings.
[49:18] There's usually only an owner notification through the newspaper announcement, but I would say they follow a majority in like the city's Chicago. I believe it's also just a majority. I don't know that there's a specific percentage, just as long as you don't have like a majority opposing it, then it passes through.
[49:42] And then, certain municipalities, I think also city Chicago, actually have a clause where
[49:49] owner consent is not required. So if there was something that was in the interest of the
[49:56] greater public good, they would move, they would still move forward.
[50:00] Board with a listing, a designation.
[50:07] I think almost 20 nominations and only three of them have been in individual
[50:25] Yes.
[50:28] And I would say, here, obviously, there's a strong landmark or national registered district
[50:34] with under in 21 of the 193 properties contributing to that greater history and architectural
[50:44] heritage of the El Hajj's edition.
[50:47] So there is, I feel like, a strong possibility for the four districts, and I think, for
[50:54] recommendations, we also included that as part of any kind of larger designation or
[51:00] listing, there should be some educational outreach to property owners to share the
[51:06] financial incentives that are available, especially with national register listing.
[51:12] And then, obviously, national register is not regulatory.
[51:15] It's honorific.
[51:17] And so I think there's some additional education that can happen to share the differences
[51:22] because what I've encountered a lot is that there is a misunderstanding between national
[51:27] register and local landmarking. And so just getting that information out there, I think
[51:34] is always helpful because there are financial incentives and some tools that come along with
[51:42] both of them, but it does help to share that with the public, I find.
[51:48] Thank you for staying. I hope you learned something. Thanks.
[51:59] Thank you. Does anyone else have any questions?
[52:05] I'll have to email you because I know you sent me the link for the GIS, but I don't
[52:09] think you attached the PowerPoint. I thought I did. I'll reset it.
[52:14] Yeah. So we'll be in touch.
[52:16] Okay, obviously, because I know you already have submitted the ship, oh, okay, so that's currently long.
[52:23] Just that take to it's about I would say a minimum of 30 days, but right now ship O is only on the National Registering Survey side.
[52:33] There's only one person.
[52:37] Andrew Heckenken.
[52:38] So I know Annie Heckley is back in a consulting position, but she's mainly working on their
[52:45] program. So Andrew is reviewing all of the surveys for the CLG grants, which I know there's
[52:53] a few out there and then also all the National Register nomination. So he's a little bit
[52:59] hot. Yeah, and swans, but he usually, I mean we've done several surveys with him. So I would
[53:07] say probably a few weeks, but maybe we'll get it back sooner.
[53:13] And you would want to do the city council
[53:15] thing after that? I would leave it up to the console. I know we're not they're only clients
[53:22] so I would say whatever makes sense for your schedule. Yeah I I don't anticipate any issues with
[53:30] Chippo it's kind of like a check box because also we we keep them like updated throughout the
[53:37] process and they sign off on kind of the the foundational items of the survey so I don't anticipate
[53:45] They'll really have any comments or questions or concerns.
[53:48] So I'm happy if one of the October meetings works for City Council.
[53:53] That will work for us.
[53:56] Whatever works, I would say whatever works really was City Council.
[54:00] So in like an agenda, maybe that has not so much on.
[54:03] Right.
[54:04] Yeah.
[54:04] So we'll staff all be in touch.
[54:07] I'll be in touch with you.
[54:08] We'll figure out a date in October that makes sense.
[54:11] Yeah.
[54:11] And Mondays usually are fine.
[54:13] September, I have a, this is really silly, but I'm part of the bowling league so I can't, I have a daughter who doesn't have to,
[54:24] so that's why I was like, September 8 is not going to, but the Monday is always works.
[54:29] Totally understand that.
[54:32] It's important things.
[54:35] We've won, so.
[54:37] Hey, there you go.
[54:39] I'm not great, but it's fine.
[54:45] Well, I'll reiterate what the commission said, but thank you very, very much.
[54:49] I know from my standpoint, this has been awesome to work with you and the deliverables
[54:55] have been great to look at, I wish I had more time to just sit at it.
[55:02] But there's a plethora of information in here that I think is a League of Benefit, this commission, but also the city is a whole moving forward. So thank you for all your hard work and time with us.
[55:12] It was a lot of fun and there's some really interesting history in the edition as well as I think really excellent examples of architectural styles and forms that
[55:26] I think probably have been hit in for a little bit, so I hope this information is out to the public.
[55:32] I'm shared.
[55:33] Thank you.
[55:33] All right, thank you so much.
[55:38] All right.
[55:39] I don't know how we're going to top the apple.
[55:40] Yeah.
[55:41] Give it a shot.
[55:44] Let me.
[55:45] Do you know, are you getting the lights?
[55:47] Thank you.
[55:49] Okay.
[55:50] Should we go back up to the HPC Award Program nominees?
[55:55] Yes.
[55:55] Wait up, wait up, wait up, wait back up, all right, as you know we all received a lengthy
[56:05] document with lots of attachments regarding this year's award program, and we have three
[56:15] nominations that have been received. They were reviewed by the jury, and we have their report
[56:24] recommendations,
[56:27] categories would you like to speak? Yes, I'm just making a note for myself.
[56:34] I'm too voting.
[56:51] Sorry about that. So we all know this. This is our second year doing this program,
[56:58] which I think is great. Last year we had six applications, I believe, and we awarded four,
[57:04] this year we've received three and there are recommendations in the packet for those three properties.
[57:12] We did make an improvement I think.
[57:16] We increased the size of our jury, which I think helps in regards from a review standpoint,
[57:23] and being able to look at different properties.
[57:26] And I feel they can be a little more strict if you want to say and looking at these properties
[57:32] and seeing what actually falls within our categories and what doesn't.
[57:36] So I do want to acknowledge these individuals.
[57:39] I will be inviting them to our awards ceremony which is,
[57:44] I know it's already saved in your calendars and highlighted in circled and start,
[57:48] but it's October 14th.
[57:50] That's right, count on clocks.
[57:51] We're going to have one here at City Hall.
[57:54] October 14th is when the award ceremony is.
[57:57] Um, you know, these studios again, um, but our five jurors is Kimberly Coleman, who's the VP at JNKA
[58:06] architects. This is her second year, um, as a judge on our jury. Um, the second judge is Catherine
[58:14] Poll, who's an architect, um, and with the nurture architects and member of the landmarks Illinois
[58:20] Skyline Council of Young professionals. This is also her second year on the jury. Um, the next
[58:27] three jurors. These are all brand new individuals. We'll invite. I believe it's how you pronounce
[58:33] this last thing, but he's the assistant project manager for Birdland construction. And we have
[58:39] Kelsey Cune, senior associate slash architectural historian and preservationist at JLK architects
[58:47] and then Thomas Dites or Dites associate principal at JNKA architects. Those are five jurors that we
[58:56] have. Again, just the refresh for you all, we have six categories, stewardship, restoration,
[59:08] and rehabilitation, sustainability and adaptive reuse, sensitive addition, streetscape
[59:14] compatibility, and lifetime achievement preservation.
[59:19] So, the three properties that are in front of you tonight for nomination is 1,700 Ballard
[59:27] Road, Public Building, it is, excuse me, Wayne Township's Town Hall, thank you.
[59:37] The award category that they had applied for was Stewardship, with a focus on the exterior,
[59:43] and the jury recommendation is Approve, which was unanimous. The second property is
[59:50] 100 Courtland Avenue, which is the religious building. I'm blanking on the name of it.
[59:57] Community Church.
[59:57] Any church? Thank you.
[1:00:00] The word category they had applied for was restoration list rehabilitation with the focus on the exterior. Again, their jury recommendation was the unanimous approval and then one south northwest highway, which is the chase building that does have residential use above the first floor or above the first couple floors.
[1:00:20] The property type is residential and commercial and the award category they had applied for was sustainability and adaptive reuse with the focus on the exterior and they also had unanimous recommendation of approval.
[1:00:35] I will say one update that I'll probably put in the application for next year is mixed use.
[1:00:40] You don't have that listed in this is an example of that.
[1:00:44] Yeah, so these are three applicants that we had, I believe we have room.
[1:00:49] I do think that the building predates 1940, which is listed there, because the original, what did I call it?
[1:00:59] Considerance Bank Building was built by a Malone.
[1:01:03] I think around the time Pickwick was built.
[1:01:06] I don't know what date, but it's in pictures of Town Park Ridge long before 1940.
[1:01:13] But anyway.
[1:01:17] Yeah, that's kind of everything I have at least for them.
[1:01:21] It's a little unique because obviously with our commission, most of our applications are already coming to you all to review.
[1:01:27] And since this went to the jury, and they reviewed it, it's from a staff level, the report is not as thorough.
[1:01:36] But, we've attached their applications so you can at least see full emphasis of that as just to make sure that there's no conflicting interests or any type of bias in regards to reviewing the documents hence why we have a jury.
[1:01:51] But, obviously, I'm here if you guys have any questions and regards to it or how the process went.
[1:01:57] I think we had one application. We were trying to sneak in, but we weren't able to, so they will be
[1:02:04] For 2027, so we've already got one on the pipeline, which is great. I think there's a second one.
[1:02:09] There remind we got two in the pipeline. Yeah, a residence.
[1:02:14] But anyway, okay. Yeah, I mean if anybody has any questions about it or how the jury process goes, or anything might be seen
[1:02:21] I love the community church photo. I think they're wonderful. Yeah, they had a great submittal
[1:02:27] Cool to see it.
[1:02:30] Or was it a summer in the spring?
[1:02:33] Well, yes.
[1:02:34] All the words.
[1:02:36] You want to have for quite some time?
[1:02:37] Yes, yes.
[1:02:38] All the scaffolding.
[1:02:45] Does anybody have any questions of John or?
[1:02:50] Does anybody want to make a motion about approving these nominations?
[1:02:56] Either as a group or individually?
[1:02:58] Oh, do it.
[1:02:59] Good luck, you got it.
[1:03:01] Thank you.
[1:03:02] Thank you.
[1:03:03] Thank you.
[1:03:04] A true pleasure, recommendation, for the following award nominees.
[1:03:10] 1700, Beller Road, Shepherd Ship,
[1:03:15] exterior dash public building.
[1:03:18] 100, Portland Avenue, Restoration, Slash, Rehabilitation,
[1:03:24] exterior, religious building,
[1:03:28] one south, northwest highway, sustainability,
[1:03:31] slash adaptive reuse,
[1:03:35] exterior,
[1:03:37] slash, I mean,
[1:03:38] dash residential and commercial.
[1:03:48] Second, I second.
[1:03:50] Go for it.
[1:03:51] All in favor?
[1:03:52] Any opposed?
[1:03:54] OK.
[1:03:55] Well, this is wonderful.
[1:03:57] So now we can get ready for that event.
[1:03:59] event. I think sustainability's upstairs.
[1:04:06] But you can stay here. They love having an audience.
[1:04:20] Have a good evening.
[1:04:22] So we can jump around really quick. Yeah, let's just talk about next steps since.
[1:04:26] Yes, let's do that. Yes.
[1:04:29] So from a HPC level,
[1:04:35] you all don't really have to do anything else now.
[1:04:39] You are obviously more than what will happen next is staff will be in contact with the
[1:04:44] applicant that has been approved by you all and then I will be working on being in contact
[1:04:51] with our vendors to get the award set up and I'll get to go.
[1:04:56] We're already on their schedule so once they hear from me tomorrow.
[1:05:02] The next piece will be City Council. More than likely, they will go to the October 5 City Council meeting.
[1:05:14] They will go there and get a picture with the mayor and just get acknowledgement in regards to their ward program similar to what we did last year.
[1:05:23] They'll be presented with a proclamation that will be signed by both Joan and the Mayor.
[1:05:29] But then they will get their big fancy award like they got last year at the awards ceremony.
[1:05:36] A little different this year compared to last year, last year we had this as a regular meeting.
[1:05:41] And we had business that we did take care of this year.
[1:05:44] We are having the award program ceremony as a special meeting.
[1:05:48] So the only business I am there will be on there.
[1:05:50] It's presentation.
[1:05:51] It's pretty much presentation.
[1:05:53] We may have minutes, but technically we can.
[1:05:56] It can be moved.
[1:05:59] We'll just have two sets of minutes, which is fine.
[1:06:03] So that'll really be the only piece.
[1:06:05] Like I said, it's at, at least two years again.
[1:06:10] I think it's at six.
[1:06:15] Yep, I haven't memorized it.
[1:06:17] It's at six o'clock.
[1:06:20] It'll be a very similar set-up layout as to what we had last year.
[1:06:25] The studio has, I think, they're going to have an art exhibit up so we can enjoy their art exhibit.
[1:06:34] I think it opens on the 11th, but it'll still be up in LA.
[1:06:42] But yeah, that's pretty much everything for me, but I don't think there's any questions in regards to the process
[1:06:48] Sir, what if there's any questions?
[1:06:52] Oh, it's really interesting.
[1:06:54] Yeah, that's great.
[1:06:55] OK.
[1:06:55] I need to speak for you, Jeff, when I said,
[1:06:57] oh, we're geeked out over this, but I was like,
[1:07:00] you and I were, we were, we were so full of the lessons.
[1:07:02] Yeah, we were putting you on the spot.
[1:07:03] Yeah, the last time we, when she came,
[1:07:06] when we were, excuse me, Erica is right there.
[1:07:08] When Erica came, when we were 50%,
[1:07:10] threw it.
[1:07:11] She's still, she was fine.
[1:07:13] All right, nothing's on her.
[1:07:14] My mind's really going anyway.
[1:07:17] When Eric came to visit us when we were like 50% of the way through and she showed us the GIS page.
[1:07:25] I, as one that works with it every day, was like this is a lot of information.
[1:07:28] We can do a lot with.
[1:07:30] It's a great tool to have.
[1:07:32] So I think the...
[1:07:33] It seems to me like it's going to be overwhelming and take ages to get through it all.
[1:07:37] I mean if each house, but anyway.
[1:07:41] Yeah, but we got tools we can do.
[1:07:43] I'm sure we can do queries and filter stuff through there.
[1:07:45] So it should be able to, it may seem like a lot.
[1:07:49] Once you give it a query or filter it,
[1:07:51] whatever we need to, it should spit out.
[1:07:53] The information, but
[1:07:58] yeah,
[1:08:02] that would be big.
[1:08:02] Because we'll talk after we have MGP,
[1:08:06] so we can figure out how to coordinate that.
[1:08:09] Yeah, sorry.
[1:08:10] OK, so we're done with HPC awards.
[1:08:12] Let's jump up to next chip program.
[1:08:16] We don't have any.
[1:08:17] Yes.
[1:08:18] So information, yeah.
[1:08:19] those I think everybody was here at the August meeting if not. We were awarded another grant.
[1:08:27] We had applied for two the state essentially shared with us that we only be getting funding for one of them.
[1:08:35] So we had to pick which area we wanted to do. The area will be just north of northwest highway.
[1:08:44] It's just pretty much-
[1:08:45] Better to jump around.
[1:08:47] Pretty much just north of the six corners intersection.
[1:08:52] Which was actually part of a historic survey that took place and I believe 2017.
[1:08:58] It doesn't encompass the whole area but it encompasses about like a quarter of it.
[1:09:04] Or maybe half, it's probably closer to a quarter, but so that will be the new area.
[1:09:10] We're still waiting on a letter from the state, just improving everything before we start the RFP process and go out for kids again.
[1:09:20] But yes, so right now I haven't received any letters, but the state has confirmed that we will be awarded the grant again, which is great.
[1:09:28] And only continues to help us as we try and provide more service around the city.
[1:09:35] and get more information and more properties to landmark or put in a district or whatever that case may be.
[1:09:45] Sometimes you say north of north of the highway or a two-week.
[1:09:49] It's north of north, so if you're going to do it.
[1:09:52] Yeah, north.
[1:09:52] Okay, yeah, okay, okay.
[1:09:55] So we're green woods north and south west highways running here.
[1:10:00] It's like this whole triangle.
[1:10:01] Okay. That's not true.
[1:10:03] I just just ran out of the window.
[1:10:05] Go back to your G.O.T.
[1:10:06] Yeah, I was right.
[1:10:08] But it's okay.
[1:10:10] The most northern area of the boundary is the southern property of the country club.
[1:10:19] And I think the eastern boundary, I think, is prospect.
[1:10:22] So it's just, yeah, it's kind of everything on the north side of the northwest highway
[1:10:28] as you're going towards what needs to come and say could come up that way.
[1:10:35] And how much are these great, like how much is the grant coming to get?
[1:10:39] No, it's a great question.
[1:10:41] So 20,000 I believe, or we had put it up to like 28 or 29, but let's just, the state, you know,
[1:10:51] the state will determine what amount they wish to reward, but we got around 20,000.
[1:10:57] We haven't gotten the letter yet, but this past grant cycle,
[1:11:01] we were awarded 20,000 in the city,
[1:11:04] put in the remaining amount.
[1:11:06] OK, so in total, it's just under like 30,000 dollars.
[1:11:09] OK, and I'm new with this, because OK, so you got that money,
[1:11:12] then what it is, what does it go to?
[1:11:14] It works.
[1:11:15] So that grant that we get,
[1:11:18] Jordan that money goes to Erica and her consulting.
[1:11:22] OK, for the work they did.
[1:11:24] Right, all her work.
[1:11:25] OK, yes.
[1:11:26] I don't mean we're doing some beautification.
[1:11:29] I was getting very excited.
[1:11:32] Well, as part of that process, beautification can't come out of it.
[1:11:36] We'll take a little bit of time.
[1:11:37] It's definitely possible.
[1:11:39] Yeah, so those dollars at little point of that process,
[1:11:43] the grant piece is to assist communities
[1:11:46] as they work towards their historic project goals.
[1:11:49] We don't have in-house staff.
[1:11:54] or be at least at the, we don't, we're not necessarily at the credential or quality level.
[1:11:59] Obviously, there are certain credentials you have to hold.
[1:12:03] And internally, staff, we don't have that.
[1:12:06] So on that process, it's where you go out for an RFP, which is a request for proposals.
[1:12:11] And you go out looking for services.
[1:12:14] That is the process that we've been through.
[1:12:16] We had no half a dozen individuals that had submitted bids and then staff looks at them.
[1:12:22] You can spell your way, okay?
[1:12:24] Right.
[1:12:24] The value of extra.
[1:12:27] They're really a bit of a resume.
[1:12:28] They provide.
[1:12:29] They've done another properties and then obviously the biggest question is, are they in the
[1:12:34] range from a budget standpoint because we can't get a budget for, we can't get a grant
[1:12:39] for $20,000 and then bring somebody on for $50,000.
[1:12:42] Right.
[1:12:43] Exactly.
[1:12:43] Okay.
[1:12:44] Yeah.
[1:12:44] That makes sense.
[1:12:46] Is that answer here?
[1:12:50] Okay.
[1:12:51] Moving along, discussion about meeting date and time.
[1:12:56] Yes.
[1:12:57] So I'm just writing my notes for myself, selfishly.
[1:13:02] Okay.
[1:13:03] I'm going to pass this out.
[1:13:04] Thank you all for filling out this very, very intense and long two-question survey.
[1:13:11] I really appreciate it.
[1:13:15] Get pretty pictures.
[1:13:17] Thank you.
[1:13:17] Thank you.
[1:13:20] Thank you.
[1:13:20] You're right, Pest.
[1:13:21] Thank you.
[1:13:23] Oh, another person.
[1:13:24] I just do almost.
[1:13:25] You even grafted?
[1:13:27] Yes.
[1:13:28] I'm very impressed.
[1:13:29] You can see what the two top priorities were.
[1:13:32] Top suggestions.
[1:13:36] Just keep it where it is.
[1:13:38] It's amazing.
[1:13:47] It's about this.
[1:13:49] We talked about this briefly last year.
[1:13:52] I want to say I think it was almost.
[1:13:54] We're ahead of the game.
[1:13:55] I think last year was around December.
[1:13:56] which was I think kind of just picking your all's minds. So the reasoning I brought this up again
[1:14:03] is because just a situation we've been going through which is not a bad situation by any means
[1:14:09] so I want to squash that idea. The piece is that HPC you all are doing a lot of work which is phenomenal.
[1:14:17] The issue is trying to capture all the work that you're doing in an hour with another commission
[1:14:24] That's right behind you is respectfully not very fair to this commission, but also the state
[1:14:31] Or to them right order the sustainability commission they've been extremely flexible and the last three months
[1:14:37] They're meetings have been upstairs in the second or conference room and I know
[1:14:41] I'm very grateful for that as I know the commission is so they know that, but
[1:14:46] You know with the work that you are doing and the I'm gonna say it like the inconsistency of I don't know
[1:14:53] how many hundred-year-old homes certificates were going to get one month versus a landmark
[1:14:57] case.
[1:14:58] we there's it's not
[1:15:00] Like from a ZBA standpoint, it's not there consistent or I can expect two or three cases a month.
[1:15:06] For example, this agenda, we had a presentation, we had the nominees for the program, which we know is going to come every year around this time.
[1:15:14] But 100-year-old home certificates, we just don't know.
[1:15:18] So, in an effort to just kind of be respectful of everybody's time, both from staff and the commissions, as well, obviously, you all.
[1:15:27] We're trying to figure out what's the best route. I have not talked with sustainability on if they've even had a conversation
[1:15:33] And if they were changing that's not my prerogative or
[1:15:38] Intent to have that conversation, but obviously when to talk with you all because
[1:15:42] This obviously directly affects you all we all have lives outside of this and jobs
[1:15:47] So obviously want to be respectful of you all in your time
[1:15:51] But to get down to the nitty gritty that you have in front of you. We had five dates
[1:15:56] So obviously our first Wednesday of the month, which we currently have, there was a question
[1:16:01] of whether you want to change that time. There's four, five, excuse me, five times, lots, five
[1:16:07] PM, five, 30, six, six, 30, and seven PM. For the first Wednesday, it seemed like a majority of you
[1:16:15] all wanted to keep it at six PM. For the second option, which was the first Tuesday of the month,
[1:16:23] There was a pretty good amount that felt six and six or excuse me.
[1:16:28] Six and six 30 would be good.
[1:16:30] The only concern with that is we do have two commissioners that cannot make it work that
[1:16:36] they.
[1:16:37] So I think that's part of the conversation I wanted to have with you all is, you know, when
[1:16:44] you're filling out not available, you just want to know like is that a pure camp movement
[1:16:49] or is it just a situation where I'm just not working from a family standpoint?
[1:16:54] By no means is this a blood oath that you are making on the HPC, but we just want to make
[1:17:02] sure this is working for everybody.
[1:17:04] We can't really pick a day that doesn't work for someone because they're essentially not going
[1:17:08] to be here.
[1:17:09] Which at that point, they would probably have the conversation of why I'm even on the commission
[1:17:13] if I can't even make the meeting.
[1:17:16] So,
[1:17:19] to be blunt, the first Tuesday of the month, that's out, we have two people that cannot
[1:17:23] make the meeting.
[1:17:24] The second Thursday of the month, which is the fourth graph you'll see on the piece of
[1:17:30] paper in front of you, that also out is we have two people that are not available on that day.
[1:17:36] So, I know the second Monday of the month, I know we only have one commissioner that cannot
[1:17:43] make it. And then the fourth Monday of the month, we have the same thing. So I don't want
[1:17:48] to put you on the spot. Commissioner Agurt. So I know that you had responded with those
[1:17:55] days. We're not available. So I was just curious if there's a heart and no, or if it's
[1:18:01] something that can work for you. But by no means do I need an answer?
[1:18:05] Not like I'm doing it every, every month. That's the thing. You know what I mean?
[1:18:14] It's
[1:18:15] No, to the Tuesday and Thursday, that's only because my daughter has soccer until six
[1:18:19] feet. So I could do six thirty. If that was me. And so I can't remember.
[1:18:23] Okay.
[1:18:24] But there were two people. So.
[1:18:26] Yeah. So that for the first Tuesday and month, we had Maggie and Chrissy.
[1:18:30] Yeah. Yep. That was me for soccer. Right.
[1:18:33] But I can do six thirty.
[1:18:36] So.
[1:18:39] Sorry. No. It's nothing.
[1:18:43] Yeah, I mean, if you have soccer, can we even push it to seven?
[1:18:48] Yeah, I guess you're 632.
[1:18:51] So, that's one piece I'm just going to write.
[1:18:55] Yeah, sorry about that.
[1:18:56] No, it's nothing to apologize for.
[1:18:58] This is the whole point of just having these discussions.
[1:19:00] Because it's one thing for me to just send out an email and say, hey, you guys, I need you all to fill this up.
[1:19:04] Yeah, yeah.
[1:19:05] It's another thing to have a discussion and just kind of pick all of yours brains and just say, hey, does this actually work for you?
[1:19:11] because the goal of this is not to change the date and then make one, two, three of you would be like,
[1:19:17] I can't even make a meeting. That's by no means the point of this conversation.
[1:19:22] I don't know the other days, besides this day, this day of the month, the rest of the four,
[1:19:29] there's nothing after, like, no other commissions after?
[1:19:31] So these are the, because I talked with the administration department.
[1:19:36] So these are the only days that do not have a commission meeting.
[1:19:43] You can count me in for 630 on the Tuesday and Thursday.
[1:19:48] So I can reach out to Maggie to see if that day could work or if there's a later time
[1:19:56] that would work for her.
[1:19:59] But...
[1:20:01] So, it sounds like right now, really what our options are, would be potentially the first Tuesday of the month, or the first Wednesday of the month, which is our current meeting time, or date, excuse me.
[1:20:20] So the piece with that is because sometimes people say, hey, do you want to fluctuate with the time and change it every meeting?
[1:20:29] That's not a good habit to have.
[1:20:32] It's not appropriate.
[1:20:36] So I know what's six is giving us an hour.
[1:20:42] And we're obviously we had a full agenda tonight, we're pushing almost an hour and a half.
[1:20:46] So I don't know if it works for people if we had if we did it if we did it if we did it 30
[1:20:52] Yeah, if we did up going to 530 on our current day
[1:20:57] Again, this would not start till 2027
[1:21:00] This could also be a thing is if you all are not comfortable making that call for 2027
[1:21:06] We can push it to 2028. There is no
[1:21:09] Timeline of saying hey, this needs to be done in three months, so we need to figure this out. Lock it in
[1:21:14] so
[1:21:15] Again, it's not a vote that needs to happen.
[1:21:17] It's purely a discussion for you all to think about,
[1:21:20] to see what you all are feeling, what works with your schedule
[1:21:23] with an Ives.
[1:21:26] We want to be respectful of that.
[1:21:27] I think it would make life 30 work on Wednesdays,
[1:21:30] but I don't know what I mean.
[1:21:32] On Wednesday.
[1:21:34] On the first Wednesday of the month.
[1:21:35] So instead of six, make it five, 30.
[1:21:40] I feel like I could do that temporarily
[1:21:43] until I find a new job, which then I don't know about travel, and then usually it's in the city, so usually it takes a while to get here.
[1:21:56] Yeah, you can predict anything.
[1:21:57] For sure.
[1:21:58] You know, I'm not sure.
[1:21:59] I'll say y'all.
[1:22:01] So that's fair.
[1:22:05] What is everybody else?
[1:22:06] It's just like 30.
[1:22:10] On the other end, is your in that...
[1:22:13] Yeah.
[1:22:13] Lingo's situation,
[1:22:18] I don't know where I was going to go with that, actually, but I don't know, I think the thing I need to do is I can reach out to Commissioner Rowe to see if there was a later time on the first Tuesday of the month if we went.
[1:22:39] That like six, thirty or seven o'clock, if that's something that wasn't working with me.
[1:22:45] Does that work?
[1:22:55] Okay.
[1:22:55] I mean, that'd be, so maybe there's something in her room.
[1:22:58] Sure.
[1:22:59] Right here.
[1:22:59] I don't hear what you mean.
[1:23:01] Some kind of potential.
[1:23:02] That looks like we need to just show this for a while.
[1:23:06] That's, that's fine.
[1:23:08] We can, to be blunt, we can just bring this up next year.
[1:23:14] Because if there's a lot of moving pieces going on, I don't want to put something in
[1:23:17] I don't know, but it's going to go in jeopardy where they can't fulfill their effort.
[1:23:23] I guess my question would be, is there any issue with, I mean, if we think it's going to be a long agenda,
[1:23:30] going up stairs ourselves unless there's a presentation like, right?
[1:23:34] You know?
[1:23:34] Yes, so we can do that, the peace I know.
[1:23:37] But these chairs are so much, I don't know.
[1:23:39] I don't know.
[1:23:39] I didn't want to say it.
[1:23:40] I didn't want to say it, but...
[1:23:42] I'm glad you said it because I was...
[1:23:44] I was, I was like...
[1:23:46] But I know there has been a
[1:23:50] Direction at least to staff to make sure that commissions are being televised. Yeah, they want us to go. Oh, okay
[1:23:57] That makes sense. What to your point if there's a meeting where we know it's gonna be super long
[1:24:03] We could go up
[1:24:04] Right, we can
[1:24:08] Relax the ability is there the bigger pieces if we were juggling and saying all I want to do a special meeting out of the blue like that's
[1:24:15] That's a little different just because we have to see what other if the business special meeting what day is it occurring on can any of you make it
[1:24:23] What other commissions may have meetings on those nights?
[1:24:26] So the key is just having a conversation to kind of get it in your old brains to say hey, is this an option or no, this doesn't work
[1:24:35] The other part to it is if it's locked in and we stay at the time that we do
[1:24:40] You know then from a staff level, it may be something we look at from you know
[1:24:45] I don't know. Maybe how many cases are we taken to a meeting and whatnot and we had our Macs?
[1:24:53] You know, because we do have a lot of discussion items that we have which is great
[1:24:57] But sometimes when we get like the hundred-year-old certificate
[1:25:00] First, it really depends on the applicant. Can they actually make the meeting? They can't make the meeting, then it's bouncing to the next month.
[1:25:08] But like, for example, what we had just gone through with the historic district, there's a pretty strong procedure that we have to follow,
[1:25:16] where when it is a public hearing, we can't really necessarily limit and be like, hey, we only have an hour, and then people aren't given up.
[1:25:25] the right. Right. I mean, the process that they need and all the help. So, that's just where I'm coming from.
[1:25:33] It's just food for time. All right. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:25:39] Speaking of historic district, I think you all saw the email. About 13.09. Yes. Being withdrawn. So, I am presuming city council will amend.
[1:25:52] I don't know what the process is for doing that, but we'll amend the...
[1:25:57] Yeah, I presume they'll be an amendment to the motion to exclude 1309.
[1:26:02] On the historic district, as you alluded to earlier in the meeting,
[1:26:05] a lot of pushback from some members of Council, with not having...
[1:26:11] 100% percent unanimous vote to be part of the district.
[1:26:15] It was kind of hopeful that 1309 wouldn't submit an objection because they did, so, you know we'll proceed with the district with the four homes.
[1:26:27] And that will be on the eighth, is that part of the agenda for this?
[1:26:30] Yes, it should be on the middle.
[1:26:33] So if anybody wants to number either?
[1:26:35] Yes, September 8th Tuesday.
[1:26:37] Because of Labor Day, they shifted it.
[1:26:41] All right, would you like to say anything?
[1:26:43] I was really, if what I was going to speak to was, I thought it was interesting that the two homes today for the 100 year old certificates,
[1:26:55] both turned 100 this year, so just curious if we know or if we reach out to other homes on those blocks and that and those neighborhoods,
[1:27:05] because imagine there's maybe a few left that are also.
[1:27:08] Yeah, what is a proper way to force that are like to, is there, is there a official way to communicate that to, like I could certainly, I know somebody whose house is going to be a hundred and nineteen, in twenty twenty eight.
[1:27:24] I reached out to a guy whose house is over a hundred.
[1:27:29] Oh, fourth mayor's house, sir. I don't know, I think he lives with me or says.
[1:27:34] And he's, I'm trying to get him and Lori.
[1:27:36] So I'm just emailing people saying, hey, I got you.
[1:27:41] And somebody I know today just said, my house turns 100 this year.
[1:27:46] So, I'll email her the certificate.
[1:27:50] So, sorry.
[1:27:52] Yeah, go ahead.
[1:27:53] To answer that question.
[1:27:55] From a staff level, we don't necessarily send out wires.
[1:28:00] If you want to say a letter to surrounding properties,
[1:28:03] asking, or not, essentially saying, hey, your home is 100 years old, if you consider this, I will say,
[1:28:10] at least from an HPC standpoint, if there are properties that you see and are interested in knowing
[1:28:15] more about, and if they meet their 100, and if they are 100 years old, I can always provide you all
[1:28:21] with the Cook County Trigger, the Quarter's Office website, and you can look up their property
[1:28:29] as well as the pen. It's also something you can send to staff. It takes two minutes to really find it.
[1:28:36] Now I can answer that for you quick. That could be something in the future.
[1:28:41] That if this is something to condition.
[1:28:42] I think it's great.
[1:28:43] Some people have expressed concern to me about how will that affect my taxes?
[1:28:48] And I said, no, it's a birthday card.
[1:28:50] It's all it is. It's a birthday card.
[1:28:52] Yes.
[1:28:53] They're not reporting you to anybody.
[1:28:56] Correct.
[1:28:56] It's not recorded against the property or anything like that.
[1:28:59] It'd be in the paper or anything, you know, like,
[1:29:02] isn't it out of fire?
[1:29:03] Yeah, just as I say, there could be a Facebook post saying,
[1:29:07] it is your house 100.
[1:29:09] We'd like this.
[1:29:09] And your birthday card.
[1:29:11] And she and her meetings will be three hours long.
[1:29:13] Then we'll be.
[1:29:15] And Drew will come to them all.
[1:29:17] Drew will be there.
[1:29:18] I would say we can do their social media avenues.
[1:29:22] We can go down.
[1:29:23] There's also the spokesman.
[1:29:24] I know the spokesman encompasses everything that's going on in the city, but it doesn't take
[1:29:31] up a lot of space to have a little blurb in there and we're going to display at the library
[1:29:36] right now.
[1:29:37] Yes, I was going to mention that it's on my list.
[1:29:43] So I would say, because this isn't never ending common, I always provide to you that it's
[1:29:48] still going on the document that I owe you all, that can be another tab that's in there.
[1:29:55] For those that have missed those meetings, there's been PS conversation where staff is going to propose.
[1:30:00] I had a document to the HPC that's pretty much like a similar to what you had tonight. But it's like a Google
[1:30:05] Sheets document that it's continually saving that you all will have access to in properties in there that
[1:30:13] you all are potentially interested in landmarking or want to know more information about whether it is under
[1:30:18] year old eligible, and then I know that something we've kind of thrown into our historic
[1:30:25] preservation plan not formally, but that consistent action of looking to designate landmarks
[1:30:33] and whatnot, so that we're not having to take minutes or whatever time to look back
[1:30:37] back.
[1:30:38] What did we talk about two months ago?
[1:30:39] And instead we can pull up that sheet and say, hey, at the start of the year, maybe
[1:30:43] going into 27, we can say, hey, here's the 10th properties that you all talked about.
[1:30:48] of these 10, what are five, you know, for example, in 2027, that you'd like to see that
[1:30:54] landmark.
[1:30:55] So that we have those continual benchmarks, if you want to say, for hitting landmarks
[1:31:00] and when there's your old homes and actively, you know, giving birthday cards and what.
[1:31:06] But I think to the point that John brought up something I've been trying to get on top of,
[1:31:12] but our website, especially for my historic preservation standpoint, and now having this document
[1:31:18] or the survey, there's information in regards, excuse me, there's information in there regarding
[1:31:25] from a financial standpoint what landmarks and historic districts and all that do, both from
[1:31:31] an national budget, or standpoint, but also from the state. So that's just going to be more
[1:31:36] information that will be putting out there so that when you all have those inquiries or conversations
[1:31:41] with the public regarding landmarks or historic districts or 100 year old home and they're like
[1:31:48] What does this mean for my property?
[1:31:50] Well, I reached out to the owners of, I don't know, the triangle building between
[1:32:00] Devon and Telcutt Road, which it's not going to go anywhere and can't imagine anything.
[1:32:08] And it's a wonderful building, and I asked them about what they considered landmarking.
[1:32:14] And the response was, well, not at this time,
[1:32:18] but is there a financial incentive?
[1:32:21] And I mean, I don't know what kinds of grants
[1:32:22] are available to landmarks.
[1:32:25] I don't know if there's something that HBC should be asking
[1:32:30] of city council or the city to do something,
[1:32:36] or support something, but they're building
[1:32:41] as under-deers-old, and it's got tile roofs.
[1:32:44] and I know tile roofs at 100 years is about its lifetime, so at some point somebody's going
[1:32:50] to have to invest in a roof, so I don't know, I mean, that's just where my brain went.
[1:32:56] But having that kind of information in I am less conversant than I should be, I know.
[1:33:03] But, you know, providing that to them might be an incentive,
[1:33:09] but I don't know if there
[1:33:10] things that I should be asking city of Park Ridge to support, you know, I don't know what other
[1:33:15] communities do again. I'm less conversant than I should be. But anyway, so that was one.
[1:33:21] And then I also talked to a house on Vine Street and they would like to landmark their home.
[1:33:29] And their daughter is going to live in it next. So it's not going to be a problem. But again, they requested
[1:33:38] some sort of confirm understanding as to what landmarking means. So that's something I have to
[1:33:45] get back to them about. There isn't exhibit at the library, I have not seen it, I hope to get
[1:33:51] up there tomorrow or maybe tonight.
[1:33:56] Jennifer and her team there have been super awesome and putting
[1:34:01] get together. I crafted parts of it and made a display board at the farmer's market and
[1:34:09] then sent her the photographs and she did something with it. All the pieces.
[1:34:15] Yes. I think I might want to add some photographs to it so maybe put some things on the bottom.
[1:34:21] I always say something when you can write part of it out whenever you need the posters and take them out.
[1:34:28] Yeah, I don't have a printer that big.
[1:34:31] But when are I book, when are my garb bookmarks?
[1:34:34] When are the bookmarks?
[1:34:37] Okay, good.
[1:34:40] I don't like to be the only one asking about those.
[1:34:44] I don't like those.
[1:34:46] Um, bookmarks.
[1:34:48] I, I, I know there was a conversation about maybe one a year and I might be dead in 20 years.
[1:34:54] or 25 years whenever we get more landmarks.
[1:35:01] But I did ask, I think, at the last meeting, if it might be possible to squeeze one or two more?
[1:35:07] Yes.
[1:35:07] This year, for October 14th event.
[1:35:11] But that was.
[1:35:12] I would say it's definitely possible.
[1:35:14] I think the piece staff wanted to confirm was, how many words are we going to have?
[1:35:19] Okay. Oh, that budget.
[1:35:20] Okay.
[1:35:21] Got it.
[1:35:22] Now, knowing we have one less than what we had later.
[1:35:25] Okay.
[1:35:25] That should free up.
[1:35:27] Awesome.
[1:35:27] That's the actual amount.
[1:35:30] So.
[1:35:31] It would say 90%.
[1:35:32] Okay.
[1:35:33] And then.
[1:35:35] Flex.
[1:35:37] Flex.
[1:35:38] I apologize.
[1:35:38] It's ongoing.
[1:35:39] It's ongoing.
[1:35:40] It's ongoing, please.
[1:35:42] I have a slot at the farmers market this weekend.
[1:35:46] I think it's the last one I signed up for for each BC.
[1:35:51] I have a memory game that I made up.
[1:35:55] And I've had that.
[1:35:57] But I don't know. I was wondering about doing something different.
[1:36:01] Maybe giving kids a picture of a landmark
[1:36:05] and saying if they get back to me
[1:36:07] with a picture of them standing at the landmark
[1:36:10] that they should get a prize.
[1:36:12] But I don't know what prize.
[1:36:16] And I screamed on.
[1:36:19] That was a thought I had.
[1:36:20] I never done a scavenger hunt for those.
[1:36:22] Yeah, it would be like on.
[1:36:25] Oh, I found this place, we sent our kids on the scavenger hunt once, when we needed to keep them busy.
[1:36:32] I'll look at where it's in there, I won't. Never mind.
[1:36:35] But it was great. We were at a fastest neighborhood.
[1:36:38] I like that because when they go to several places and they get a prize,
[1:36:42] maybe a bingo kind of thing where you get a row.
[1:36:45] You have to have something about the building, like, what, you know, so that you know the...
[1:36:49] recently like looked into. Yeah, you know like five places around
[1:36:53] the house. Yeah, you know, within like a few blocks of the farmer's market. Yeah, I like that.
[1:36:59] Love Scamager Hunters. It's a library. It's all due to John. Who's got a creating scavenger
[1:37:05] cut in two days?
[1:37:11] Yeah, okay. Okay. I can print it. I'll trade you all.
[1:37:19] You print that, I can print you some poster.
[1:37:21] Okay.
[1:37:23] I got this thing going here.
[1:37:25] Two days, yeah.
[1:37:26] All right.
[1:37:27] I mean, I'll have the whatever.
[1:37:30] Anyway.
[1:37:30] Thank you.
[1:37:31] Memory board with me at the farmer's market.
[1:37:34] Anybody wants to come?
[1:37:37] I think I have the 10, 40, 10, 30 slot.
[1:37:43] I think.
[1:37:43] But I'll email you and let you know.
[1:37:45] Thank you.
[1:37:46] I don't remember.
[1:37:48] I share hope it isn't 104 degrees. I will melt. Okay. Are there any other things that we should be talking about that I forgot?
[1:38:06] I was going to say it is from a staff level. We'll have certain things to discuss in October.
[1:38:18] I don't know if we'll have any 100 year old home.
[1:38:20] My raise.
[1:38:25] I'm on a roll tonight.
[1:38:26] I cannot comment at this at this time.
[1:38:29] But if you have any questions, you can always reach out to me.
[1:38:31] Thank you very much.
[1:38:34] So I would say a couple things that we'll definitely talk about
[1:38:38] is probably prep for the following week for the awards program.
[1:38:44] You may get 100 year old home.
[1:38:45] We may not.
[1:38:46] You will have a landmark.
[1:38:46] I will probably want to have a landmark because the date for submittal would have already passed.
[1:38:53] But I know one thing we definitely will have is probably your 2027 meeting calendar.
[1:39:00] Now, we've kind of figured out we're bumping this to 2028.
[1:39:04] So staff will try and provide that.
[1:39:06] For the next meeting, it's best to try and get them done in September.
[1:39:10] October just because once November December hits, I know people at places to go and people to see.
[1:39:16] So we want to make sure everybody's on the same page.
[1:39:19] So I'll make sure to bring that in the 2027 meeting calendar,
[1:39:27] wrap for awards.
[1:39:30] And then after that, I'll keep y'all posted.
[1:39:33] I don't think it'll be as long of a meeting as tonight was.
[1:39:37] But yeah, we had a lot going on, so good else to you all.
[1:39:41] Thanks, John, good.
[1:39:43] I made it.
[1:39:44] and you made it.
[1:39:46] I told you.
[1:39:48] I didn't do it like that one.
[1:39:50] I will say if I don't respond to any of your emails in a day,
[1:39:54] it doesn't mean I didn't see it.
[1:39:55] It more so means I saw it and forgot to respond.
[1:39:59] This is a clarify.
[1:40:00] All right. Is there anything else anybody wants to discuss? Or shall we have a motion to adjourn?
[1:40:11] Boy, I love the silence.
[1:40:13] You like it. You're really going to make it the motion. I'm not a motion that we adjourn.
[1:40:21] I second that motion.
[1:40:23] I second that motion.
[1:40:29] All in favor, and he opposed. I guess the motion carries.
[1:40:34] All right, just the innumerable motion rings.
[1:40:37] Well, again, no, I found work.
[1:40:39] I don't need it.
[1:40:40] So this, I'm going to have to start looking at your cheek.