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[0:01] Okay. So our print item up is our seat up, crystal, and I'm going to butcher this armor, armor and clearance, arm and darkness.
[0:11] Arm and darkness.
[0:12] Do you see it way better than I do? It's good to meet you. I know we've talked.
[0:15] Yes, we've talked to you again.
[0:17] Good to meet you. Yeah.
[0:18] Okay, we'll meet you.
[0:19] We've got a seat up.
[0:21] Yes.
[0:21] And this is the Region 1 Director of Tranquility for the Justice Department.
[0:25] Welcome.
[0:26] We're going to tag team.
[0:27] I'll take the first half and she'll take the next half.
[0:29] Thank you.
[0:30] We'll have you here.
[0:31] All right.
[0:31] We'll turn it over to you.
[0:33] Okay.
[0:33] Nice picture there, right?
[0:34] That's a beautiful view.
[0:36] And the council board, so bad either.
[0:38] I'm going to go through my notes here.
[0:45] So as I mentioned, my name is Chris Luminati.
[0:47] I'm the local government liaison for C.D.
[0:50] And it's a pleasure to be here to see me,
[0:52] because I have this information to you all.
[0:54] I just want to share a little bit on C.D.
[0:57] mission, vision, and values. So vision is to enhance the quality of life and the environment
[1:02] of the citizens of Colorado by creating an integrated transportation system that focuses
[1:08] on safety moving people and goods by offering convenient linkages about normal places.
[1:14] The mission is to provide the best multi-modal transportation system for Colorado that most effectively
[1:20] and safely move this people goods and information and values safety safety first we work
[1:28] together to achieve a high performing safety culture equal we value our employees and the
[1:34] people of Colorado integrity we are honest and responsible in all that we do and hold ourselves
[1:40] to the highest moral and effort to save us customer service we strive to provide the highest level
[1:46] customer satisfaction and experience. Excellence in accountability in the leverage diversity to bring
[1:52] different ideas, experiences and perspectives to further excellence in everything we do in
[1:58] and lastly, and the community can most importantly, is respect. We're kind and civil with everyone
[2:03] and the act of courage, humility, and accountability.
[2:17] It's not. It's not.
[2:21] There we go again.
[2:25] Okay,
[2:26] So that's okay, and just to brief overview on these icons.
[2:33] So the fiscal year 2023 revenue allocation plan
[2:37] with a $1.8 billion budget, you know, we're responsible for the color
[2:41] on a state of highway system encompassing over 9000 line miles,
[2:45] with over 23 million total line miles.
[2:49] There are three over 3,400 bridges and other major structures
[2:52] throughout the state highway system.
[2:55] Maintenance crews have filed more than six million lay miles last winter season, which is phenomenal considering how much snow we've had.
[3:03] Think about this last year.
[3:06] Let's see.
[3:06] Help maintain a monitor.
[3:09] 278 avalanche paths.
[3:12] Colorado's aviation system includes 76 public use airports.
[3:15] and bus staying, CDOT's interregional bus service provided over 1.9 million revenue service
[3:21] miles in fiscal year 2023.
[3:27] Transportation commissioners, so you see that there are 11
[3:30] commission districts, the first four that are bolded, are within the Dr. Scott planning
[3:36] agent, and the Transportation Commissioners are CDOT's governing study. There are 11 members
[3:41] that are appointed by the governor and he firms by Senate, and the confirmation occurs
[3:46] during the legislative session between January and May, there are four-year terms, and traditionally
[3:54] there is a two-term limit for commissioners, because there's meets monthly they have continued
[4:01] interaction throughout the month with an each respective district, and they set the following.
[4:07] Annual budget, they develop policy directives for the department, they develop our goals
[4:13] for the transportation system.
[4:16] Let's get in this one.
[4:19] No, okay.
[4:20] But what transportation commissioners do not do is pick projects in any category.
[4:25] Except the 10 year plan.
[4:28] Instead, rely on planning efforts to identify highest priority projects.
[4:34] Sorry.
[4:35] It's a very UCMF of our C. engineering regions.
[4:39] There are five engineering regions,
[4:41] which are an important part of implementing transportation infrastructure projects. Region 1 works closely
[4:47] with Dr. Cog and Transportation Planning in the region.
[4:54] Thanks. Now Jessica will expand more
[4:55] on Region 1 and there's a lot of exciting things going on in Region 1.
[5:01] Let's see if we can hear it. Okay.
[5:04] The Denver region council would government, Dr. Cog,
[5:07] We have the MPOs, which is Metropolitan Planning Organization, and the regional planning activities.
[5:15] They provide an oversight of the Metropolitan Regional Planning process by supporting and coordinating planning activities with internal and external planning partners, including the seat on engineering regions.
[5:28] Metropolitan College are using MPOs and Transportation Planning Regions which are referred to as TPRs.
[5:38] Now, we're going to see that funds, it's just a brief overview,
[5:46] so we're going to see that funds come from.
[5:49] So, let's see, we've got 40.8 per se, excuse me, let me find the place that we had.
[5:56] We have 46.3% of federal programs, 32.7% highly users tax fund, 8.5,
[6:07] bridging tunnel enterprise, 4.9% other seed on enterprises listed,
[6:16] and let's see 3.9% of other
[6:18] state funds, and 3.7 aeronautics. Now note that this board is separate, and they grant awards to
[6:25] airports.
[6:30] And again, just to brief overview of how are these funds allocated for fiscal year 2024,
[6:35] 40.8% is capital construction, 25.7% is maintenance and operations, 17.7% sub-allocated
[6:46] programs, 6.6% administration and agency operations, 6.2% other programs, debt service and
[6:56] contingency funding, and lastly, 3% is for multiple services.
[7:06] Now, here's our 10-year plan, just to breathe over view, and again, this information, there's a link there that can take you to this website and to this particular information and beyond that, but he just wanted to provide a free, high-level overview and I'm happy to answer, or excuse me, maybe not answer, but provide additional information should you need that.
[7:28] So, the 10-year plan.
[7:30] And 2019-2029 consists of a four-year funded plan and six years of other project priorities.
[7:38] So I'm just going to read the 10-year planning claims the strategic pipeline of projects, 1,000 plus lane miles touched, 15 rehabilitated or new transit facilities, and a focus on taking care of our system.
[7:54] Over 50% of the funds go to improve the condition of our roadway system, and, again, like I mentioned, the full 10 year plan information can be found on that link there, which I believe you have all had received a copy of this presentation.
[8:07] And just to note, Sita has made significant progress to catch up on critical road and bridge repairs add travel options, really traffic choke points, make critical safety improvements and bring transit to new quarters of the state.
[8:23] And a few highlights, as far as, sorry, please, I think something happened that come
[8:30] line.
[8:32] A few highlights.
[8:33] See that has completed 54 projects today with an additional 40 projects, currently
[8:38] under construction, 100% of the projects in the first four years are complete or under
[8:44] construction, and over half of the full 10-year plan is now complete or in progress.
[8:50] And with the progress on the 10 year plan, well underway,
[8:55] CDOT will continue building the connections to keep our state thriving.
[9:00] And then at the bottom, it's kind of a little bit, but
[9:03] detrimental region of the glance.
[9:05] We have 18 projects completed in 2023.
[9:09] We have 34 projects that are underway and 21 projects to begin in 2024.
[9:15] to leave me into our statewide key accomplishments.
[9:25] So we have 122 total projects completed.
[9:29] 73.5 million grant funding that's won.
[9:33] 109 projects awarded.
[9:36] 818 real miles will fruit.
[9:40] 661 million awarded to the contractors.
[9:44] It's in reference before 6.2 million lay miles cloud, 860 million paid to contractors,
[9:53] and 100% of the projects in the first 40 years of the 10-year plan, again, are complete or under construction.
[10:00] And lastly, 25% increase in bus staying system-wide ridership.
[10:06] There's a lot of information, but again, to speak over view, happy to provide additional information as needed.
[10:11] Um, but now we'd like to turn this over, um, starting with Slain 11, um, again to just
[10:17] coming across the region one transportation director.
[10:20] Thank you and we do not have uniforms to see that.
[10:24] But we did, and we are addressing like two in a minute.
[10:26] I love it.
[10:26] I love it.
[10:26] Oh, I love it.
[10:27] I love it.
[10:28] I love it.
[10:40] Oh, I love it.
[10:40] which kind of Parker resides within Region 1 if you didn't know.
[10:45] So I'm going to go through Crystal kind of went through the higher umbrella
[10:48] who is Cida as an organization statewide.
[10:51] I'm going to dive us down into Region 1.
[10:54] So hopefully if you have questions, I brought some of this cards.
[10:58] If you ever have questions, I can connect you with my team to help answer those as well.
[11:03] So of the Lane Miles Region 1 has 4100 Lane Miles.
[11:06] So I also have 450 professional maintainers.
[11:12] So if you think about,
[11:13] they are each responsible for about 100 lane miles.
[11:15] So as we're talking about filling pop holes,
[11:18] after storm, fixing guardrail, each maintainer
[11:21] has 100 miles of road, all the lanes both sides.
[11:23] So imagine having to kind of walk like up and down
[11:26] the highway and find all of those things.
[11:28] So we really do the best we can with the resources
[11:30] that we have, but we have a lot to take care of.
[11:33] We have eight counties and there listed up there.
[11:36] 56 local agencies, so really big customer service space, total 750 employees, five engineering
[11:43] programs, counter-futter is in south engineering programs, Stephanie Allenies is the program
[11:50] engineer for south program, she's leaving sea dot to go work with her husband, so we're
[11:55] going to be replacing her soon. And then we have three maintenance sections, you all are located
[12:00] in section five of our maintenance areas.
[12:05] So in region one, we drive about 35 million miles a day.
[12:09] So of the other regions, although size in actual geographic size,
[12:14] region one is smaller.
[12:15] We are the largest in terms of population and lane miles
[12:19] and just like how many miles are driven every single day.
[12:24] So some of our really exciting projects,
[12:26] we need to familiar with some of these.
[12:28] These are on the 10-year plan.
[12:30] I-70 West Floyd Hill, this is a really big project,
[12:33] because we wind driven up to the mountains
[12:36] to go skiing recently and seeing construction
[12:38] along I-70 near Floyd Hill.
[12:41] I take this opportunity to say, if you do make that drive,
[12:44] regularly, we have a text message.
[12:46] We do holds for rock blasting,
[12:49] they're 20 minute traffic holds.
[12:51] So the you can text 21,000 lowercase Floyd Hill,
[12:57] and you'll get text alerts that'll say hello.
[12:59] today we're going to do rock blasting that's going to start in 30 minutes and then it will say
[13:03] when that shouldn't flee as well. So really good communication system that's a major project
[13:08] replacing those older bridges down at the bottom of Floyd Hills going to be a really long
[13:13] via that. That's going to be really good. Thanks for your help to 21,000. Probably. I say backwards.
[13:19] Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. All lower case, one word, Floyd Hill. Yeah. I think Howard Johnson Memorial
[13:27] tunnel again if you're from Colorado, it's up at the top kind of in between before you start
[13:34] heading down into Summit County. It just turned 50 this past year and with anything that turns 50
[13:40] it needs a little bit of care and love. And so we have been investing substantially in the Eisenhower
[13:48] Johnson Memorial tunnel 50 million dollars from the plan was put in last year as you drive through
[13:53] tunnel we've got wall panels and the route was actually cracking and they were kind of being held up with
[13:58] some ships. It was really an interesting. So we've replaced all that. It goes through a mountain
[14:05] and so we've got water issues, the water always wants to find its way out of the mountains. So
[14:11] Isaac Howard Johnson Memorial Tunnel is a huge asset and vision one and we're spending a lot of
[14:16] time and attention really getting it up to standards. The I270 improvements projects, which is
[14:22] 70s located in Adams County, Central City, I-25 to I-70. Again, replacing that aging infrastructure,
[14:31] the bridges along that corridor are over 15 years old and we have regular maintenance issues
[14:37] with those with pot holes and they always happen on Friday afternoon in the middle of rush hour.
[14:42] So not great for the public, not great for professional main painters to be out in traffic flow.
[14:48] U.S. Six in Los Rift Boulevard interchange. Again, this is a really, this is an older interchange, Clover League style.
[14:56] We were successful in securing some I.I.J.A.
[15:00] The infrastructure investment in jobs act under this current presidential administration. There's a lot of funds coming down. We received 20 million dollars to put toward this interchange replacement. So, old infrastructure and we're going to do a lot of multimodal improvements to connect to the adjacent light real station.
[15:16] And new, newer, region-wide bus and rapid transit, so five new BRT corridors by 2030, jump deeper into bus and rapid transit.
[15:29] Really, this is part of our Senate Bill 260 in our attention to meeting the greenhouse gas reduction goals of the governor has set for us.
[15:37] So it's shifting the way people are traveling along some key corridors, particularly in region one that would be federal Boulevard and Colorado Boulevard of note, those two corridors held their ridership during COVID.
[15:49] So while the rest of us were possibly remote, those corridors held their bus ridership.
[15:55] So really strong demand on those corridors were also helping to attract some really key versus less mile connections.
[16:03] If you're not familiar with bus and rapid transit, what makes it different, then your current bus level boarding,
[16:09] since the walking upstairs to get to the bus, you can just set on to the bus, you pay for your ticket before you get on the bus.
[16:15] All doors are access doors.
[16:18] The real time or arrival of one of the bus will be coming and usually with BRT, we like to say halfway times of 15 minutes or less.
[16:25] So pretty efficient system.
[16:27] Region 4 is carrying one of the other BRT's kind of up in that top-left corner to CO-19's diagonal highway and that one is in a start construction in not too long.
[16:39] Denver is doing their close-backs BRT, which will be under construction in a couple of years, and then we're looking at doing an extension of the close-backs BRT east into Aurora.
[16:50] So those are the five corridors and it compliments really well in the map with the bus staying system, the fast track system, so really looking at kind of that holistic way to move people in the Denver metro area.
[17:08] I've mentioned a few times bad bridges and outdated infrastructure and in region one we had I think we're slowly tripping away at it literally we had about a 500 million dollar need to replace just bad bridges alone.
[17:22] And so a lot of these bridges were constructed greater than 50 years ago, the top right corner photo is the i70 30 second avenue that you've ever been to apple jess liquor on the way out west.
[17:35] There's there was going to be a cabell is there, but it actually moved down south, but that's the i70 30 second avenue bridge and then below is the completed bridge replacement.
[17:44] Some of the other bridges as you're driving in along I-70, I-70 in Harlan is currently under construction.
[17:53] I-70 in Ward Road, those bridge pairs currently under construction.
[17:59] And then we're hoping which is submitted for a grant to the Bridge Improvement Program through I-G-A-A-A-V-I-70 in Quebec.
[18:06] So excited to get some of these replaced, particularly the I-70 ones are pretty rough and they have a lot of traffic.
[18:13] that they carry on a daily basis.
[18:15] So we've focused intentionally on what's metro bridges,
[18:19] which kind of goes from like I-25 out to maybe
[18:24] what Morrison area.
[18:30] Some of our other projects that we've done,
[18:32] I-17 noiseball replacements.
[18:35] We have 12 assets that see that are funded.
[18:38] They're not fully funded, but enough that we could try
[18:41] to do with what we can.
[18:43] noise walls are one asset that generally don't have a sustainable funding source. So the governor
[18:49] had some funds that came around, kind of early COVID and we were able to put those to use
[18:53] these are the i7D noise walls from on i7D between i25 and wadsworth. Right now if you see the
[18:59] left photo it's dilapidated fences. I wouldn't have been necessarily call them noise barriers
[19:03] because of their condition phase one of the panel replacements is complete and we're going to start
[19:09] these two. So when you drive two Denver and see kind of those new
[19:13] concrete panels, we're really excited about that project. And the adjacent
[19:18] residences are also very exciting to have that done.
[19:23] So shifting gears a little bit crystal touched on maintenance and
[19:26] operations. We have, we just don't sleep. We go 24, 7 operations, including
[19:33] firefighting capabilities at the tunnel. We do have breakdowns periodically in the
[19:37] local cars or trucks or bands, catch on fire. So we cover all the way from, you know, the tunnel,
[19:45] and then snow fighting operations, you know, all the way out to deer trails, just, you know, pretty far
[19:50] east, south, Castle Rock and North, to stay highway seven. So our miles of cloud roadways are about 1.35
[19:59] million miles. And that was for last year. Striping, we did about 2600 line miles. That's a lot of
[20:06] right thing. We actually just purchased the team, the right thing team, a new paint truck.
[20:11] Which is kind of interesting. So they'll have a new paint truck, so which means we'll have two paint trucks in the region to cover all the lame miles that we need to paint.
[20:20] We have switched and started doing grooming operations at night. So grooming operations are really tricky. You'll notice and it's one of our higher complaints that the roadway the shoulders look really dirty.
[20:31] There's a lot of debris, there's bumpers, there's fires, there's fire seats or shoes.
[20:35] We really rely on the traveling public to secure their loads.
[20:38] It really is all of our responsibility to keep your stuff in your car or in your truck.
[20:44] And it's hard to broom, particularly on inner states because you have to take out that shoulder to really get the cleaning done.
[20:51] So we've been trying to do it at night.
[20:53] Last year we did about 6,500 miles of nighttime grooming.
[20:58] A couple of repairs, about 20,000, 20,000, 4,100 square yards of concrete and asphalt.
[21:05] Degree removal from our system, again, that's from the grooming operations.
[21:09] This does not count for homeless encampments, this degree removal.
[21:13] So, 18,000 cubic yards of debris from our system.
[21:17] So, substantial amount of debris from just things that are left in the bounce out of trucks.
[21:22] People throw stuff out of their cars on purpose, mattresses, all kinds of things.
[21:29] Incident response, 86% of incident responses crashes across the state are in region one.
[21:38] So again, we're small and geographic size, but fair to the large impact and travel.
[21:46] So it's always curious, and it's it's a service that a lot of people don't know that we have adopted.
[21:54] We wish we didn't have to do it.
[21:56] This is a homeless campaign cleanup that was underneath Quebec near Northfield.
[22:01] So you can see on the left side, that was before the cleanup began.
[22:04] This was about a day and a half cleanup.
[22:07] We actually hired some crews from Colorado Correctional.
[22:11] Folks, and they came out and helped our teams.
[22:13] We have started contracting homeless encampment cleanups out.
[22:17] It's really hard for morale from our professional maintainers to know that
[22:21] I have to fix guardrail and then you want me to do what? Go clean up what?
[22:26] So we we're seeing quite a bit of turnover. It's also very hazardous work. So we've been
[22:30] Contracting quite a bit of it out. I have a homelessness and a team that kind of directs the work. They have a full schedule of cleanups that lines out, you know, a couple of days a week for the next six months, we're cleaning up here, we're cleaning up here.
[22:42] We've really been relying on our local agency partners to do IGAs so that they have access to these areas. It's worked really well.
[22:52] That way, after being clean out, the biggest most important thing is enforcement from a local police force is to go in and enforce
[22:59] You can't trust past here. So the IGAs have said, hey, local agency, your police force is allowed to go on CDOT property and enforce and remove individuals.
[23:11] So just, you know, I think it's important to note that some of our maintainers have been diverted from doing safety critical repairs to homeless and Catholic cleanups.
[23:21] Creating to region one because of our, we've just got so many way in miles, we've created kind of a unique contracting mechanism that allows us to do smaller scale paving.
[23:33] Like if we have a off ramp from i25 and we just see it continually has potable after potable after potable after potable.
[23:40] Instead of just patching the potables, we created the ability to do a smaller scale resurfacing treatment less than a mile.
[23:47] And that's been really successful for us and our team, so we're really happy with that.
[23:54] One of the interesting things that probably some of your constituents might have remembered is the i25 coordinated ramp metering.
[24:03] So we are just in a spot with i25.
[24:05] We need to do some creative congestion management.
[24:08] We can't leave it the way it is, and widening is not really on the table.
[24:13] So we had a pilot programs do coordinated grant-metering, and this went from Northbound,
[24:20] I-25 from Ridgegate to University was about 14 miles, but we had 18 individual entrance ramps
[24:26] that were metered, and if you're not sure what metering is, it's the little lights, the turn green,
[24:29] or red, and some people don't care what they say, but they actually are really useful.
[24:35] And we had three new freeway ramps that were metered.
[24:38] So I 225 to I 25, C470 to I 25 and E470 to I 25.
[24:45] And this was a pilot program.
[24:47] It has since ended.
[24:49] We have kept the infrastructure in place.
[24:51] Unfortunately, the company we were piloting with
[24:53] was out of Australia, where they've had wild success
[24:56] with the program, but due to some security issues,
[24:59] we can't continue to let them have access to our system.
[25:02] Good news is that we just won a federal grant
[25:05] for $1.5 million from CARM, CAARM, again, it's another IHA, and we'll be able to continue analyzing
[25:13] this.
[25:14] We just found out we won last week, it's really excited, because we did see benefit from this
[25:19] coordinated grant metering.
[25:20] So coordinated grant metering, what it does, which is really interesting, the meters actually
[25:25] talk to each other.
[25:25] So if I have a meter at Yale, and I have a meter at Colorado, and Yale is starting to bog up,
[25:31] the Yale meter will tell Colorado, hey, I've got too many people trying to get on
[25:34] highway a Yale, hold them a little bit longer.
[25:37] Three seconds longer at Colorado.
[25:39] And then the meter will say, OK, I'm going to fold these two
[25:41] both three seconds longer, so we can clear out the Yale
[25:44] on ramp, and then the Yale on ramp will then say, OK,
[25:46] I'm looking good, release your three second extra
[25:49] cue fold, let the traffic flow.
[25:51] So it's a real time kind of, I want to use the word, AI is not
[25:55] bad smart, but it's a really smart algorithm that
[25:58] allows the meters to top to each other.
[26:00] So what we realized that was multiple benefits.
[26:03] Um, 14.3 average decrease in travel time for the PM peak period, uh, reduced the overall travel
[26:12] times by 19 percent. So about four minutes at the height of the PM peak period, which doesn't
[26:19] feel substantial, but that's really big. Four minutes of safe travel time is actually quite substantial.
[26:24] Um, we were able to increase travel time reliability, which anyone who drives I 25, even coming
[26:30] down here tonight, I think Chris and I were well,
[26:32] and I'm just going to take you here.
[26:34] So being able to give a little bit more reliability
[26:37] on how long it takes people to get where they're trying
[26:39] to go, it's always a good thing.
[26:41] We were able to reduce total travel delay by about 827 hours,
[26:46] so 42% decrease in that ramp meter to area.
[26:51] We were able to break through some bottlenecks,
[26:53] but, again, the ramp meters are talking to each other,
[26:56] saying, you know, you're creating a bottleneck
[26:58] old let me go, old the two above let me go first. So we really saw some benefits from it and I'm
[27:05] I'm looking forward to getting this new grant money, so we can continue this study and I'd like
[27:10] to get something permanent instead of just the pilot project.
[27:17] Not too far from here we did have,
[27:20] so there's the I.I.J.A. sign, I try and pop that in. So we did, we got a substantial size of
[27:26] grant award for the Greenland Wildlife Overpass, which is down in the gap, $22 million dollars.
[27:31] It was the largest in the nation. This is for the wildlife crossing that will actually be one of the
[27:37] largest and more than America. It's in overpass. And so just wanted to point that out to
[27:43] continue to think probably some of you up from there with it. So we were really excited about the ability to
[27:48] like that. We've been successful in region one as you can tell with grants. And so we've been getting
[27:52] creative on how we've found transportation projects because our pipeline of funding with the
[27:59] slides at Crystal was showing is not going to get us where we need to be a volunteer movement
[28:03] stated.
[28:05] So, and that is region one and a wrap.
[28:13] That's a lot. It is a lot of people. Yeah.
[28:15] Okay, congratulations. That's a lot of. That's a good idea. Who's like straight up for the questions
[28:21] of college?
[28:24] Interesting.
[28:24] Kind of nice for the health staff.
[28:26] I think the old Syrian company did the version design survey in 1999.
[28:33] Thanks a lot.
[28:35] Great.
[28:36] Nature projects.
[28:37] But.
[28:40] In terms of like Parker, or close to Parker, one of these kinds of specific.
[28:45] You mentioned tenure planning.
[28:47] I know a Dr. Cogland.
[28:48] There's a four-paid plan that I think I've participated in by a phone call in the water, and we have a world where we need a partner and a board or a plan to try to engage in what's improvements we could have on a partner, because really that's the only thing we have.
[29:06] we have, see, that kind of curve, what projects are in the pipeline, near or around
[29:15] parker or maintenance things, and I know we had the overlay project that happens to get us
[29:23] until it's time when it's set up and even then at the end of the store. What do we have to look
[29:27] forward to, based on you in the parker? So 83, 83 study, and we're working on what's
[29:36] list money is, I call these brushes through the marker. It goes end to end all the way down to the top of the agenda too.
[29:44] And we're looking at funding some strategic improvements along that structure for safety.
[29:50] There's a lot of safety critical concerns.
[29:53] I believe we've done some rumble strips that a couple of locations and I know that they're looking at doing some additional.
[30:00] Safety implements and signalized intersections and some other things as well. So, as far as the town of Parker, proper, I don't think I was looking at the 10-year plan, but there isn't anything specifically on the plan that's in the town of Parker, we will probably have a 10-year plan kind of update refresh in the next couple years, and that would be something we're going to look at, you know, through the 4-P process, you should kind of bring the charges forward.
[30:30] And make recommendations for the plans.
[30:33] I don't know if Parker recommended anything during the last plan or not.
[30:39] But currently, just because you're not on the plan, there's not things happening.
[30:43] I've got resurfacing projects and signal projects and things like that.
[30:46] Yeah, and as I tell people, it's a really complicated and complex process.
[30:52] So I know we, we as Parker, you know, scouting for Parker, we rolled up with other
[30:59] to pass it into a corridor, you know, and talking to the county down south, there were some
[31:06] intersections that there's safety. So again, and again, going back to high school,
[31:13] Mommy had kids killed going on the road. So they were safety reasons. We expanded part of the
[31:19] road, not in sort of a capacity of a conjunction in reasons. So yeah, and again, I think that will
[31:25] that would be great to kind of know, if there's a single mention on sort of getting that
[31:31] expanded for the South even was not in town in Parker at E.L.A.S.
[31:37] in the influence area where we need a lot of people in the town that is quite a small
[31:45] parker, but it sure looks that way, and it really hasn't been a lot of improvements to
[31:51] health and safety statement. So with that, safety and congestion, what criteria kind of moves
[31:58] the needle in today's day and in, I mean, I mean, I mean, I'm scoring process and the process guy.
[32:09] You know, I just don't know enough about how to see that,
[32:15] allocating the funding because an allocating based on region like based on population,
[32:21] Dr. Cod, we have a regional and a sub-regional, a regional, gets 20% that the rest of the
[32:27] sub-regional counties get 80% based off the formula of population. How does Cod go through
[32:34] allocating the constrained funding within regions and then how does the region, or indicate certain
[32:43] projects. Well, where's that house now? Well, it depends, so there's a lot of different pots of funding
[32:54] slide. Dr. Coyce spots too. Yes. Yes, it's a lot. There's a lot of bugs.
[33:00] A lot of them have a color of money. Color of money. So we call them colors of money.
[33:09] So
[33:09] A lot of our dollars go toward maintaining our existing assets, right?
[33:15] So, I mentioned the 12 assets that we have.
[33:18] There's a general asset management pot of money.
[33:22] There's, you know, so much for walls, so much for tunnels,
[33:25] so much for culverts.
[33:29] Once in a while, look at new fusions.
[33:30] So, we did just get some redistribution funds from the federal government.
[33:34] And those were kind of distributed to each of the regions based on the need.
[33:37] number of pull-words that actually had need to be repaired. So that was kind of a special circumstance.
[33:44] Faster funds if you look in that orange bracket. This is highway users tax fund.
[33:48] So those are your fuel taxes and fees. So a challenging part for our funding is we've had a 22
[33:53] cent gas tax since 1988. Guess was like what 99 cents on the 9 and cents. And now gas
[34:00] four dollars and we still get 22 cents a gallon. So that hasn't cheap. That's one of the challenges
[34:06] of our funding problem is we just haven't adjusted the gas tax. We have added fees so we have
[34:12] the registration fees, help cover some of the bridge and you'll see down in the green
[34:18] original enterprise faster fees. So if you look at your car registration it'll say
[34:22] virgin tunnel fee. So thank you for those. We use those. I think we've utilized
[34:26] Howard Johnson Memorial Tunnel and all the bridges that we're replacing in region one.
[34:32] So how we get them, I don't know the actual distribution,
[34:34] for British and Tunnel Enterprise, but for an example faster back up to the orange that we get a certain percentage of faster funds in region one and then the team runs through
[34:48] some calculation. So for example between the wildlife overpassed, a substantial portion of faster funding, a number of seven and eight million dollars and what they look at for faster funds, it's a safety.
[35:00] So we're looking at fatalities, crashes, and then they run a calculation, which is not my expertise.
[35:07] They run a calculation.
[35:08] If we've built this project, what's the likelihood that you would reduce, in this case, animal
[35:13] vehicle collisions, which can result in fatalities and have?
[35:17] What are the crashes?
[35:18] How many crashes do we currently have?
[35:19] How many crashes do you think this project would reduce?
[35:23] And then we are able to kind of dual out the faster funds faced on projects that need a certain criteria.
[35:29] Yeah, based on that calculation.
[35:33] So criteria change,
[35:34] annually, and dose the criteria,
[35:36] and the criteria criteria,
[35:38] criteria competing with different regions
[35:39] or from the same region.
[35:41] No, I get an allocation of funds for faster,
[35:43] and then I compete with myself, yeah.
[35:48] Yeah, and Douglas County's but art is really good.
[35:50] He understands funds and how to use them and how to,
[35:54] and so he'll ask, do you have faster funds?
[35:55] Can we tap into some of those for some of these projects?
[35:57] And as fresh as you're like, it's more important.
[36:00] Thank you.
[36:01] Yeah.
[36:02] So it's complicated.
[36:03] Transportation is funding is complicated.
[36:06] You know, excuse me, because there's so many different
[36:08] parts of funding that we get and they're each kind of allocated slightly differently.
[36:15] Well, last one.
[36:16] Great.
[36:16] The greenhouse gas policy kind of mentioned there.
[36:20] It's talking about the RT.
[36:22] We're sort of the end of the line for RT.
[36:26] It's just it's kind of one of those.
[36:27] things with the partners out. We hear all these, all these, these things, these mobility solutions,
[36:40] potentially a successful amount of air, it's been not a partner, a partner, a partner,
[36:46] obviously, don't buy an older county, but the person that we're, we have more
[36:51] or EVs, and for the count, that was kind of fascinating.
[36:55] We're probably pretty close.
[36:56] You know, you may go back and forth.
[36:59] But our reliance is to kind of out contributors
[37:02] in the greenhouse gas.
[37:04] There's rose, and it seems the policy
[37:08] and is trying to direct funding that would be used
[37:14] and maintained at the network, the current network,
[37:18] and to turn it towards the other teams.
[37:21] Their items like BRT,
[37:23] is to try to mitigate the pollution.
[37:27] If the EV did this one, it was mitigate.
[37:30] That's what we mean by this county can kind of assist with and what we need roles. So it's kind of counterintuitive that our contribution needs
[37:41] roads and what I'm saying if we get to a point where bus becomes more and more.
[37:46] He was willing to launch, yes, our very question, but out of those buses get from 20.
[37:53] would be gross and a new transition period.
[37:58] So, how does the house gas policy create challenges for you trying to
[38:04] threaten all of that?
[38:07] Yeah.
[38:08] That's a big question.
[38:10] So we do.
[38:10] We got all the time in the world.
[38:12] I don't think we'll have to sex.
[38:15] So if you look down in that bottom right hand corner,
[38:17] you'll see several enterprises that have been created.
[38:20] So a few of those specifically are related, clean transit enterprise and the non-attainment
[38:26] air pollution mitigation enterprise, which is not me.
[38:30] So that's a funding source that you have to be in a non-attainment area to get.
[38:34] So like we generally, five does not get not me funds.
[38:37] So those funds, some of those come and we can use those only for very specific things like the RT.
[38:43] So I wouldn't be able to use not me enterprise fees, for example, on
[38:49] and I-25 rematering project if I wanted to do all the rematers, that funding wouldn't be available for that but it is available for things that help us with air pollution.
[39:00] And if it was potentially going to be a pretty good-sized pot of money, so we will be applying with the DRT funds for some of those net meet funds.
[39:09] Commissioner Eula Adams, he's your commissioner,
[39:11] our proposal mentioned with commissioners.
[39:13] We've just met with Douglas County commissioners,
[39:16] I don't know a couple of weeks ago,
[39:17] and it was a really great meeting
[39:18] and the exact same thing came up.
[39:20] How are we looking at kind of these outline areas
[39:25] in terms of electric vehicles and infrastructure for them
[39:28] and how are the RIT lines maybe benefiting or not
[39:32] benefiting and how are we handling
[39:35] just the overall theory?
[39:37] and it was interesting, Commissioner Adams is trying to back to you, so you said, you know,
[39:42] someday, you won't be rural anymore. I mean, if you look at the growth that you've had. So
[39:47] we're, we're thinking long-term, we're thinking 50 years with the way we're moving people and
[39:51] people are traveling. I think in the short-term, we've got bushing, which has some interesting
[39:56] connections. I would say, I don't think that it's drawing funds from, from roadways. I mean, buses
[40:07] have to operate on roadways, e.g. have to operate on roadways, e.g. these are actually heavier,
[40:12] and regular cars, so we're still waiting to see what type of wear and tear that introduces
[40:15] to the network. If we have a heavier demand for repairs. But I'm not seeing a diversion and
[40:22] that funds from one thing to get to the other thing, because maintenance of our roads is a different
[40:27] pot of money. So we're really made creative about how we're utilizing the funds and moving people,
[40:33] me first, but but it contextually I love everyone because I've got Parker and I've got Denver and I've
[40:42] thought a very diverse group of constituents I've killed in County, right? And Mercury County. So it's a really
[40:49] interesting group that each one is contextually different. So recognizing that not you may not today,
[40:55] benefit from VRT, but how are we making those kind of longer-term advantages? And depending on what happens
[40:59] as much as possible.
[41:01] And some of our best things might
[41:02] make these some of that connections.
[41:05] It was the narrative as long as
[41:07] more towards a very house.
[41:10] And by my perception, some of the fun thing
[41:12] that we kind of want to say about
[41:15] the end of this.
[41:16] Because again, we have to understand
[41:17] what we have to understand.
[41:20] And we're a position now where we need those funds.
[41:24] But labor is again.
[41:26] the responses you can't you can't you can't you can't really or put lame miles you can't
[41:33] grow yourself out of having to pass there so some some kind of trying to try to make that
[41:39] if you add lame out you remember the self-promote that's very true but as as we know it was
[41:45] County as Adams County and the other counties develop to get to the Mr. Adams
[41:53] We need support to build rows and seeing very challenging because the monies that are kind of
[42:02] really available are the white pad part of the ability and is very challenging to get a
[42:09] more project fully embraced in the state fair that could make a difference without going
[42:17] you're as soon as I've been in my houses and I'm in a long duration of time and it feels like
[42:22] that was never the case 15 years ago.
[42:27] See, I'm just not here.
[42:29] Thank you. It's all over.
[42:30] So with the wildlife overcast, I love that.
[42:34] Obviously, it's not completely yet.
[42:37] So two for a question. One, do you want one of the answers to take that being completed?
[42:40] And two, please tell me it's a game you take to put lots more in across the state.
[42:47] Yes, so first question, when will it be completed?
[42:50] We are currently in the process of securing the funds when the federal government, so it's great to get their funds.
[42:56] It's kind of like you getting money from us, there's a whole lot of process.
[42:59] Actually, get the funds from them to us.
[43:01] We're hoping to break ground in the bubble, maybe.
[43:05] We'd have construction plans ready to go.
[43:07] So a couple years construction, not too long.
[43:10] And then second, no, it's really exciting and region one.
[43:14] actually 15 years ago, I went to the thought as a transportation practitioner. We would have such a focus on wildlife, but we've got a wildlife crossing, we're going to do a really funny thing in this June at Genese 2 by 4 on i70. So if you've been driving through there, there's a large structure that elk have already kind of been lining up trying to like get through it.
[43:35] So it's really exciting.
[43:36] We're looking at doing another wildlife crossing at Empire.
[43:40] On US-40 right in the exit, I said, I have a big form
[43:43] sheep population that a lot of them are struck by vehicles.
[43:48] And so we're looking at doing it over PACs,
[43:51] and it's almost a final design.
[43:52] So we actually, in region one, given how urbanity
[43:55] are, we have a lot of public on wildlife.
[43:58] We also had, I think it was down not far from here.
[44:01] And we have been in part of one of our trolls.
[44:04] We had a composting pile of rope-chill because we were paying a fortune to dispose of
[44:09] carcasses and so our environmental gals like if we could compost the rope-chill we could have
[44:16] some, you know, like soil. It's kind of an unusual project but it was down near here we had it.
[44:20] We had a pile and it worked out pretty well. I think it's also kind of not pleasant job to take a
[44:34] And it was the better answer to this question, so I'm going to direct them to the two of you.
[44:39] Tom, could you just go over real quickly the projects that C. dot has participated with
[44:44] and partner in the past year or two?
[44:47] Sure, let Chris jump in here in the politics.
[44:50] And we have one, let's get ready to kick off.
[44:55] I'll be noticed in the next three, and that's the partner road north operational group.
[45:00] And as we turn the naked out, there's a lot of technical or 70, and as we're at a just some operational improvements, some intersections between what we can, for some need to to agree with congestion, as well as by some sidewalks and some areas where we have some gas in sidewalks.
[45:19] We, most of the projects that you've done, we use the personalized federal funding for
[45:24] that work the sea on is our own mobile and mobile type activities.
[45:29] A lot of side walks, line of trails, intersection of movements, signal improvements,
[45:36] go in.
[45:37] The safer measures project, the more diverse side walk trail and shoulder roads.
[45:44] Yep.
[45:44] That's it.
[45:49] And then, for you, maybe you were named specifically, you know, the most complaints, I love our 24th at the Serent Town. So you need to chat with a lot of people. And I was just chatting with a gentleman this morning in the pool area. And he was saying how dangerous, as John mentioned that corridor is from Fondorosa High School.
[46:15] And I don't know what the accidents that look like on the end, but so you're talking about people coming out from Colorado Springs, right, on that, to England, so is there any ability in the future, even though it's not in the town of Parker that seems to be the issue with people coming from Elizabeth, which is building up.
[46:38] And so what can you tell us about any plans to improve or what in that stretch right there on because that's by 83.
[46:48] Yeah, we don't have any specific plans right now for Highway 83.
[46:52] What I will say is that is a common challenge with a lot of our local agencies where I say the tooling road is having an identity crisis like Highway 93.
[47:04] Indiana out in Argada, that was County hasn't pulled them more, and they were never meant to be used the way they're being used.
[47:10] They were never meant to the volume of traffic. They were constructed 767 years ago as a two-lane rural road driving.
[47:19] And the development has blossomed around it so much that a lot of the local agencies have not.
[47:25] Whether it's, you know, the developer hasn't improved the road and the funding source have been set up to help you to
[47:30] up with the development pressure that would say it's a common issue that we're seeing a lot of kind of
[47:35] those two-lane urban and healing roads that have now turned not so urban feeling. And I think it's going to
[47:43] have to require a lot of partnering to get those kind of up to standard because if we're thinking,
[47:49] you know, 20-30 years out, we want to have a cross session where you've got sidewalks and people
[47:54] can actually walk along road to get to the Hays floor. Do you want to maintain that rural feeling?
[47:59] So those are, those are different goals and I think they're really big conversations and happy to chat more about
[48:05] 80 people right and we've invested a lot on the 80-3 operations study.
[48:10] And I think that's maybe finalized.
[48:12] Is it my own?
[48:14] Yeah, that's just dope.
[48:15] I don't know.
[48:16] Well, I think period is cool.
[48:18] But I've heard that for a while.
[48:22] So, well, in the safety study too.
[48:24] So, I think there's opportunities to figure it out, but I think it's a partnership.
[48:27] So there's a lot of grant opportunities where, you know, we can provide, you know, support and discuss, you know, how do we move something like that forward together and we'll look up like that.
[48:37] Yeah, I mean, because, you know, I actually have, I haven't sectioned on transportation on my website and I'm just reading my own website right now and looks like there's a significant investment coming on your ride the front range rail line, you know, in the future, which I'm sure that will be using
[48:57] the entire state's tax dollars, correct?
[48:59] Correct, I mean, passenger rail?
[49:00] Yes.
[49:02] So that will be on, I think we're going to be looking
[49:04] at maybe even about that.
[49:06] About measure, to get that funded.
[49:09] But again, I think, you know, you compete with that.
[49:12] Sure you'll have people ride that,
[49:13] but we also need the roads to be maintained.
[49:16] So I mean, I would assume that the roads are always
[49:19] going to be a priority.
[49:21] Just because you've got this,
[49:22] this is like a competing priority as well
[49:25] with the real systems, the right, about range. Yes, the first passenger rails being led
[49:30] from a different group at Fiat, we have a, I can see, the safe folks who run the bus,
[49:36] the bus thing services, the office of the vision of transit and rail. So they're actually meeting
[49:41] the front-range passenger rail. My team is doing, that's a larger kind of plan, I can't
[49:50] That's well. Thank you very much for that.
[49:53] Thank you.
[49:54] Thank you.
[49:58] So yeah, I guess our focus is on the same three.
[50:03] And, you know, it's John said I was the plunder kid back when they widened it.
[50:07] And that's been a blinding sense and it wasn't a CDOT project that that's here say now.
[50:11] And any widening would not be a CDOT responsibility would truly be the developers that would be widened or.
[50:17] No, no, that's not what I definitely don't want to leave you with that.
[50:20] I think in partnership, what does it look, what does the need, long-term, and what or, so does it need to be widened or does it need some other improvements or other amenities to make it more user friendly and improved safety.
[50:34] So I think it's kind of looking holistically at the larger core and then coming together to group joint effort of how do we, what do we need to do and then how do we come together to determine funding to that.
[50:45] Okay, so going to the logical order,
[50:49] proportionally, what is region one in the budget compared to the other regions?
[50:55] How much of the budget does region one for two, three, four?
[50:59] I mean, it depends on the part of money.
[51:03] So, for the regional priority pool funds, I get 34.23%.
[51:11] That distribution seems to hold your sum up the plot so money.
[51:16] But the ten years plan, I mean, it was kind of a different allocation of dollars based on need across the region.
[51:22] So like, I, for example, I didn't get any rural research at the same time, I technically don't have rural roads that are actually classified as rural.
[51:30] And they feel that way.
[51:32] But the other regions got rural funds, and I got some more and some other dollars for bridge and some other things that I have actually more of.
[51:38] So I can't tell you off the top of my head of all the money that comes in of our $1.3 billion budget, but I get $2.5%. I don't know that.
[51:48] Does it, is it be safe to say that the 80, or 86, 83 back to compete with 70 and the tunnel provides?
[51:58] No, because I got our 10 year plan. I have us as Boulevard in Congress City, and that wouldn't play to construction soon.
[52:04] So it just depends on the priorities and readiness as a really big issue.
[52:10] So I think you've been able to prioritize some intersections along 83 because we've had that safety study.
[52:15] And they enable the pinpoint.
[52:17] They're safety dollars available.
[52:18] This intersection is ready to go. Let's get this one in for the lift.
[52:22] Yeah.
[52:23] Okay.
[52:24] When we do a project, let's say it's our lane changes or we need to add a signal.
[52:29] Does that project?
[52:30] Look at the same processes and punishments funded by the CIDA. There's always a little bit of time that
[52:36] always takes a little bit of time to work with CIDA. And if we frustrate at this level when we're ready to go
[52:41] and we're ready to like this intersection. We're ready to pay this lay and we're ready to restrain them and add more flow through
[52:47] But it is really a fatality, you know, intersection of unit lit and sometimes there's a hindrance there or there's a little bit of a slow down.
[52:57] Is there a separate process when it's fully funded by a town or by an entity versus when it's a doctor partner at the table.
[53:05] So if you're bringing 100% local funding, that's what you're saying.
[53:08] Honestly dot highway.
[53:16] I think it would be, yeah, it should be a similar process.
[53:21] It's just going to be meeting with our health.
[53:23] I mean, your experience has been different.
[53:25] You're smiling, sir.
[53:26] Thank you.
[53:28] I think it did events, you know.
[53:32] The things that we're in the funding is coming from.
[53:33] You really need to do that.
[53:35] For example, we're in our very short movement project.
[53:38] That was one of the project leaders,
[53:40] And we can see what we have to do with this.
[53:45] Some of the largest processes, you know,
[53:47] the seed up was that we didn't want to come in.
[53:49] We do have some projects to kind of stuff.
[53:51] If you practice sometimes,
[53:52] and it's just the project that we're telling,
[53:56] and sometimes we get their knowledge of management,
[53:58] besides my seed up.
[53:59] Yeah.
[54:00] And there's still a little turnover that seed up
[54:03] that I'm finding a management of.
[54:05] So sometimes things get lost,
[54:07] the application gets lost.
[54:08] And so things have gotten better, I think recently, but that's something that's a struggle with.
[54:14] I'd say continue to my own.
[54:18] Yeah, and I'd encourage you to establish a good relationship with the program engineer.
[54:22] I don't know if you've met Stephanie.
[54:24] And before that, I was carried a job model.
[54:27] But.
[54:28] You're.
[54:29] Yeah, they oversee the team.
[54:32] So knowing the program engineer, they oversee kind of those project managers.
[54:36] in deciding regular meetings and plans probably helpful attention please are staying on
[54:40] track.
[54:43] Yeah.
[54:46] We're getting interviews this week.
[54:49] Thank you.
[54:51] Thank you.
[54:53] Unfortunately, gas tax actually was the only Tom.
[54:57] I was at a meeting with Senator Bennett and asked staff and council for questions in Tom's question.
[55:03] was, that's fantastic.
[55:05] Guess this has not been addressed since,
[55:07] most of the carries days, and what are we doing
[55:10] with that, and his answer was very political,
[55:13] you don't know, and I introduced, you know,
[55:16] the EV abundance and told them how many EVs
[55:19] we have down here and how it's a way that they're on our roads
[55:23] and has no one lived in as far as getting more $5,000
[55:27] from EVs in the least to cast access or with a guest access.
[55:32] is to want to avoid the question.
[55:33] So that was to be out of here.
[55:35] Rent metering in the third lane
[55:37] or use in the shoulder.
[55:39] How successful are confusing with that?
[55:41] Is that part of the future study?
[55:45] I think that's a good question.
[55:46] We heard both.
[55:48] I compare it to roundabout.
[55:50] So we all freaked out and roundabouts came out
[55:52] and we'll hopefully count as you navigate them,
[55:54] the end of the world is happening.
[55:56] You've been going in circles, having you cross the country,
[55:58] and never all comfortable.
[56:00] We can feel better about that, right?
[56:01] We didn't quite get through the pilot bar
[56:03] I don't think to hit the comfortable button with the third lane
[56:06] rat metering, I think there's a lot of train that needs to go in.
[56:09] We actually had pilot cars that would just drive and park and guide people
[56:14] like, look at me, I'm in this third lane.
[56:15] You can be here too, and then they would drive up and go around and come back.
[56:19] Look at me here, I am.
[56:20] So I'm probably say we didn't get to the part where we were super comfortable,
[56:26] but we want to get there.
[56:27] I saw even the troopers were doing Instagrams on it.
[56:31] Yes. Yes. Yes. So there's a quote when we do things in transportation, even with DEI's emerging
[56:36] dynamic interchanges that are likely to go on off the direction. It takes, yes, it takes training
[56:42] for a couple of, and we just have to be patient and persistent on helping them navigate.
[56:49] I will say, and I'm going to ask a little bit of a phrase, and I look to a market is an improvement. Yes.
[56:55] Yes. But they were totally frightened initially. Yeah. But I'm on the right side of the
[56:59] I don't like to get off the grid of the gas to the wood jail.
[57:01] Now we'll pass the grid of the gas and you can spill it.
[57:03] Yes.
[57:04] Yeah.
[57:05] So thank you.
[57:07] Fill some of our advantage.
[57:10] Yeah.
[57:11] I'm still trying to figure out the round of the house.
[57:15] I'm holding my breath.
[57:17] Very good.
[57:20] See.
[57:21] I have a while.
[57:22] I'm going to go down but just in the.
[57:24] Just for time.
[57:26] So comments, I appreciate the four to five minutes thinking of all of us in Parker, too, because it is to take us four to five minutes to get to any destination in Parker.
[57:40] And now we're looking at 10 to 15.
[57:42] So I think that is significant.
[57:47] I was curious about the wildlife overpassing, so I mean, obviously you do make extensive studies on where to put those.
[57:57] Do they usually just follow like a natural migration trail or.
[58:02] Yeah, so we already have some existing underpasses that were built as part of the gap and we're seeing a lot of success with bears and all types of other mammals that are using those crossings under the highway.
[58:13] We have a lot of wildlife fencing along the highway, so it helps kind of channel them to the crossing.
[58:18] If you don't have fencing they don't work, but the animals they don't know, they're going to be signs.
[58:24] So the fencing channels them to the crossing, and then the crossings are really constructed based on migration routes and patterns that are biologists and what's effort and time.
[58:34] So the location of that one was very specific, and then we'll also look at kind of land development and these minutes around it.
[58:41] I don't want to put a while in my crossing where you're going to pop a development and like that defeats the purpose.
[58:47] So there's conservation easements on both sides of that crossing.
[58:52] All right.
[58:54] Thank you for your presentation.
[58:56] It's 100.
[58:57] Oh, my father's in coverage.
[58:59] Thank you.
[59:00] Thank you.
[59:01] Thank you.
[59:01] Thanks for attending.
[59:02] We appreciate it.
[59:03] Thank you for having us.
[59:05] All right.
[59:06] You've got the great work.
[59:08] Thank you.
[59:09] All right.
[59:09] The guys will know ties on tonight.
[59:11] Oh, I don't know.
[59:14] Oh, I don't know.
[59:15] Oh, I don't know.
[59:18] Yeah.
[59:18] At least, but that's all.
[59:20] I don't know.
[59:22] It seems to be.
[59:35] I don't know.
[59:36] I
[59:40] don't know.
[59:43] All right.
[59:44] Well, good evening.
[59:45] Mayor Council.
[59:47] So there's a few things to keep me up at night.
[59:49] Besides my teenage daughters.
[59:52] Can't match.
[59:53] Is that their car?
[59:53] I thought she only knows, but that's really, probably seem to it.
[1:00:00] I'm excited. You know, every time I get a PD report million emails from the PD report say, and I see a traffic accident, I just I sport because I I'm curious if there's something that we could have done better or there is an improvement that we could have made to perhaps have prevented that accident and in the past we would typically reply on rely on reports that we get from the police department that maybe they say,
[1:00:28] is intersection, we've had a history of crashes here, and then, you know, Dave and his team will
[1:00:35] obtain the accident reports from the police departments, which can be an argues task,
[1:00:40] and we do an analysis on it, see if there's a trend, and then we dive in to see if there's any
[1:00:46] engineering solutions that might improve safety at that particular intersection.
[1:00:54] You know, we've
[1:00:58] traffic safety. But I'm happy to say that we have a new tool in our toolbox and our traffic
[1:01:04] toolbox, helpful for the budget last year, which included the purchase of a new accidents
[1:01:11] and else software, which we purchased last year and we implemented and we started using.
[1:01:19] And this tool is really going to allow us to be more proactive and not weeks.
[1:01:24] And so the accents occur, we can actually dive in and look to see where are the accents.
[1:01:30] Kind of accents are they. And beige is kind of our guru on this software.
[1:01:37] And as already kind of started looking at intersections and how it can be utilized by the town and our staff
[1:01:45] to really improve safety for the down normal Americans. So,
[1:01:51] is going to talk to you about some of the background and how we're using.
[1:01:54] Yeah, so you ask the question, no, that's not Tom's daughter. That's an ex-cavenant
[1:02:00] from outside town hall here at Mayton Pine. I enjoyed putting that back up in the snow
[1:02:06] in a lightable day.
[1:02:10] So the system that we've started using is a commercial program called
[1:02:14] access, stand for diagnostic expert systems. Yes, but not DID, the end, diagnostic. And the program is called vision zero sweet. Vision zero is is an often use, you know, thought that we're trying to get to zero access. That would be the ideal in in our world that, you know, we wouldn't have to analyze access because everybody's behaving themselves. Well,
[1:02:43] Unfortunately, that is not the case and we have to go through this but looking at a number of
[1:02:50] systems, we pre-selected a handful of systems reviewed them, brought two-in for personal interviews
[1:02:57] and these diacces of base data castle rock, the people that founded it, cut their teeth that
[1:03:04] developed the system of C.U.S. statewide for accident analysis, hugely successful, statistical approach to analyzing what goes on in our world.
[1:03:22] So, it's, I shamelessly stole their tagline. You think science and engineering to make life savings road safety decisions?
[1:03:31] I couldn't have set it better, so I stole it since we're paying them. I didn't feel too bad.
[1:03:37] But really, the system is designed to look at trends over time.
[1:03:42] We know that there's going to be certain accidents.
[1:03:44] How many accidents? How bad is too bad?
[1:03:49] Accidents are really a visceral reaction.
[1:03:51] They're scary. They're uncomfortable for people that have had them.
[1:03:56] But in one accident, the end of the world,
[1:03:59] of those people, absolutely could be. Um, as a whole to the community, that's how we have to kind of
[1:04:06] step in and use a data driven approach to look at the long-term average as versus that single accident.
[1:04:13] The highest number of accidents doesn't necessarily mean it's the most dangerous location in
[1:04:18] town. We have to look at types. We have to look at, you know, conditions of the roadway,
[1:04:23] what contributed to it. Just because Walmart, it was in the top five of accidents,
[1:04:29] doesn't mean that parking lot needs to be whole it will make it best. But that doesn't make
[1:04:35] it the most unsafe place in town just because of Noms.
[1:04:40] So I may need your help pressing the
[1:04:43] play button on this. This was recorded from one of our vehicle dash cams. This is like in a 20 mile
[1:04:53] you're facing south right now.
[1:04:55] The road, it's hard to see, but the East West has turned red.
[1:05:00] Southbound left is on, and that's why that was my neighborhood.
[1:05:05] It's, oh, they got hit, oh, they're hit.
[1:05:07] So, yeah, we can play that again.
[1:05:10] No matter why the fact, but it happens that quick.
[1:05:15] And I wanted to bring this up,
[1:05:16] that this is from one of our trucks.
[1:05:18] Yes, recording this.
[1:05:20] As far as I know, it was not an injury accident,
[1:05:24] But you all have driven through this center section countless times.
[1:05:28] You've made the left turn on the green arrow and the green ball.
[1:05:32] It said, yeah, it's safe.
[1:05:33] It's clear, nobody's coming.
[1:05:34] Well, this one happened to be someone that ran the red light.
[1:05:37] And it can happen.
[1:05:38] Oh, that happened.
[1:05:39] I have that wondering.
[1:05:40] He ran the red light.
[1:05:41] That's what I was wondering, like, how did that happen?
[1:05:43] He ran, of course, running the red light.
[1:05:45] But we have to look and say, there was a car upside down at Lincoln in 20 miles.
[1:05:51] What are you going to do about it?
[1:05:52] Well, the car upside down because of something that we did as an apartment is something that's a road design issue, is it driver behavior, and then we have to look deeper and say what can we do to mitigate these risks to the public before it, we say happens again, we're trying to have that approach to balance mobility and safety.
[1:06:15] But without data, we're flying blind and that's really what this tool does is brings the data piece of it in.
[1:06:27] So this is the phase that's good question though.
[1:06:30] Yeah, of course.
[1:06:30] What did you learn from it?
[1:06:31] Sorry as long as we're on this subject.
[1:06:33] Yeah, don't you learn from the data piece on that.
[1:06:35] So that particular act that we've we're still looking at some we've got some unique characteristics of the center section.
[1:06:44] Um, without getting too far down into the weeds, we've, we've, we have different categories
[1:06:49] of accident, you know, Iran's, for example, um, uh, approach to turn accident is when someone
[1:06:55] comes up to the green wall, makes the left turn, front of somebody and gets deep on it.
[1:07:00] Now, we also have what we call broadside accidents, which this was where somebody actually
[1:07:05] ran straight through the intersection. It wasn't an approach turn. Nobody was trying to, you know,
[1:07:10] nobody made a mistake of misjudging distance. And so our percentage is that this particular
[1:07:17] intersection, we have a really high fraud sign problem. When I first looked at it, I said,
[1:07:23] is a fraud sign? No, we have a pro-stern problem. Are we mispassifying it? And as soon as I saw that, I said,
[1:07:30] No, we have a broad side problem. Somebody's, we have more than our share of people running the red there and I don't know why. But being able to break it down in, in very short order with this tool helps us help us look at that.
[1:07:46] Thank you. Of course. So, for our purposes, this is the start of everything. The Colorado State accident report.
[1:07:53] At any time there's an accident in a park or this gets filled out by one of Jim's officers.
[1:07:59] She's, you know, probably you had to do how many thousand of these before you worked your way up to,
[1:08:04] where you didn't have to see them?
[1:08:05] Yeah, it wasn't filled about the form.
[1:08:07] It was actually a real mid-Roying.
[1:08:11] But this information, so it all gets reported.
[1:08:16] All kinds of data in terms of what time of day it was, what direction they were going,
[1:08:21] what types of injuries happen, what the vehicles were. You know, I don't care that it, you know,
[1:08:27] I care that it's an 18 year old versus an 85 year old. I care if they were, you know, drinking and driving,
[1:08:33] I care if it was snowy, sunny, dark, all of these, all of these things figure into it here.
[1:08:40] But then it kind of goes into this black hole. All of these reports go to the department of revenue
[1:08:46] of all places. They don't go directly to see that. They don't go to any place, but it goes to the Department of Revenue.
[1:08:55] And then from the Department of Revenue, they do some initial cleaning, and then it gets to see that.
[1:09:01] Well, our system does, you know, before this system, you had to kind of get every copy of every accident, report,
[1:09:11] either from RPD or from the Department of Revenue,
[1:09:15] comb it down, you know, 1,500 accidents in a year
[1:09:19] that takes some time.
[1:09:20] And that's what Douglas County does.
[1:09:22] They actually take every accident report,
[1:09:24] put it in a database and they model it.
[1:09:28] What our system does is a little bit different
[1:09:31] in we're taking those records directly
[1:09:34] from the Department of Revenue.
[1:09:36] Now, and so we have that access to the town
[1:09:39] and as a whole, at our fingertips at any given time.
[1:09:43] So, next question, I guess,
[1:09:46] most often we get the common question is,
[1:09:49] is this intersection six?
[1:09:51] Well, I saw an accident there, does that make it unsafe?
[1:09:53] Is it, you know, we have to start looking
[1:09:55] at the how often, how severe,
[1:09:59] and then we have, you know,
[1:10:04] trying to balance the angel questionable ability and safety,
[1:10:09] you know, heavy handed government,
[1:10:11] You probably all heard the Denver is considering eliminating right turns on rent and it's just
[1:10:17] Period no more right turns on rent for anybody
[1:10:19] Okay, maybe that's there places where that's appropriate. Maybe there places where that's not appropriate
[1:10:24] So we as a department have to kind of look at that and in the context of the town at large and say how see the same
[1:10:35] No
[1:10:35] Now we break this down a little bit further
[1:10:38] access to the type, graphic volumes, roadway type, all figured in. Again, one of our
[1:10:44] parking lot, just because the type of high accident account doesn't necessarily
[1:10:47] make it the place we want to focus our time. We're looking at the longer term
[1:10:53] averages. So what we'll go back to high school statistics class briefly here,
[1:11:01] the people that run this program came up with something called the safety
[1:11:04] performance function. This is to answer that question of how safe is safe. How does
[1:11:09] compare against everything else that we're looking at in the wider world. So we start with all of the
[1:11:18] accidents in the state. Every single accident, every type, every configuration gets fed into the
[1:11:24] safety performance function. And then you narrow it down and start looking at, is this a
[1:11:28] formate facility? Is this a two-layed facility? Was it a singleized intersection? Was it on signalized
[1:11:33] intersection? We take those accidents and we can break them down into four different segments.
[1:11:39] We call it level as safety of service.
[1:11:42] Level safety of service one indicates a low potential
[1:11:45] for cross reduction.
[1:11:47] You're probably doing, if you're in this section,
[1:11:50] when you plot all of your information,
[1:11:52] you're probably doing pretty good
[1:11:54] compared to statewide anarchists.
[1:11:57] Level service is safety two.
[1:12:00] You might get some improvement in safety
[1:12:02] with some modifications,
[1:12:04] but you're not going to make a massive change
[1:12:08] in the system as you get in the level of service of safety three, that's where I start to
[1:12:15] lose sleep along with Tom because we probably have some places where we can really make a difference
[1:12:20] to the average daily driver here and then level of service of safety four, high potential for
[1:12:28] crash reduction. These are ones that we should be catching right now and making adjustments.
[1:12:40] So maybe it's some examples, we've started in on the town.
[1:12:44] As a whole, we started with Parker wrote Patrick Burke from the engineering department.
[1:12:50] As done a first cut of these, and I have looked into a bunch of them as well.
[1:12:54] We're going to start with Parker and Whitman.
[1:12:57] This is, again, across the bottom, we say, this is our average volume on the facility we're looking at.
[1:13:05] We're looking at a signalized intersection and we're looking at a six lane facility.
[1:13:08] So, those kind of things instantly narrowed and narrowed down, so we're comparing apples to apples.
[1:13:15] And we see, oh, our accident trend here, 6.44 and that's precious pre-year, what we observed,
[1:13:24] a comparable facility in Colorado to get, we're not comparing Colorado to Texas or to Florida.
[1:13:30] This is within the state as a whole.
[1:13:33] we would have expected this in 13.21. So on this one, you started to say,
[1:13:38] yeah, we're feeling feeling pretty good here. So this is total accidents property damage only
[1:13:44] that picks in, gets in here, and then we look at severity and say, you know, are we having
[1:13:50] serious injury accidents? Even if our total accidents were low, severity can certainly figure in.
[1:13:56] So again, here we will expect a certain number of severe crashes, and we're below that.
[1:14:04] So we're feeling pretty good at this particular location. This is just the kind of
[1:14:09] review of reference for those level service safety curves. Finally, in 20 miles. Okay,
[1:14:16] while we started to sneak up here a little bit higher, we're not in that level service safety one.
[1:14:22] we're in level of service of safety too.
[1:14:25] We're still below numerically what we would expect,
[1:14:28] but this is where I start to go.
[1:14:30] Let's see what else we can do.
[1:14:33] Our severity is still low, so I'm happy with that,
[1:14:36] but we run into the tool.
[1:14:38] The tool does these really neat things for us,
[1:14:41] it'll take the diagnostics in a particular intersection.
[1:14:45] And we can say, what is causing our accident?
[1:14:48] It's here based off that Department of Revenue record
[1:14:50] that we looked at earlier.
[1:14:51] a full 50% of this intersection's crashes were approached.
[1:14:58] We would have expected seven.
[1:15:00] 1% based off statewide averages. So, right there, I'd look at that and say, that is something that we can do some mitigation on in very short order. And by the end of the month, we're going to have East and West converted to rent arrows protected only operation. That particular intersection, we're going to get the question. You're doing it because of in an operator. No, we're doing it because of history, the fourth in an
[1:15:29] burger gear and we're going to hopefully not continue to contribute with it and our burger
[1:15:35] does fire online. But that's a little bit of a goofy intersection. You've got to double out
[1:15:39] to posting a single most times it's clear with you driving through there at 9 o'clock at night.
[1:15:45] You're going to be like, oh, I just don't. It's great. It's why it open. We're seeing some history,
[1:15:50] some trends that don't support that, but that also, is this East West,
[1:15:56] and finally not nor sell. Correct. Correct.
[1:16:00] Because we're already waiting at the coordinated phases,
[1:16:03] he swes their final and 20-mile.
[1:16:06] That's where it rests in that green,
[1:16:08] and that's what we're trying to take away the risk factor.
[1:16:12] People misjudging, I think they're misjudging
[1:16:14] how fast people are coming eastbound, and they're in that double,
[1:16:18] and they're trying to sneak in to the,
[1:16:20] and they're not speaking fast enough.
[1:16:24] So, this is, but again, if you look at that first graph, you say, oh, for not doing too bad, but we can pinpoint a specific outcome with this tool that we really couldn't before without combing, you know, this happens to be from the start of 2018 to the end of 2022.
[1:16:45] our system lags a little bit again because it's coming from the Department of Revenue. We won't
[1:16:51] see 2023's numbers until the probably the second half of this year, but we're looking at long-term
[1:16:57] trends over five years to see a 50% of my crashes can be addressed by a single change.
[1:17:09] I think that's
[1:17:11] by PD. Yeah, right there. Maybe that's like the worst ever. So that's to do that all the time.
[1:17:21] That is not the-
[1:17:23] No, no, no, no. So I think that's the intersection between there.
[1:17:26] You know, so our crash is for you. 5.9. If we look just as you can hear it,
[1:17:31] well, if you have higher up here, it would, you know, we're like 6.4 or 4, so we have more crashes.
[1:17:39] So that's more dangerous, right?
[1:17:41] Well, know what we expect statistically,
[1:17:45] we start looking here, we're just because the numbers,
[1:17:48] but it won't this facility should be able to do.
[1:17:51] And we say this is well outside the moral comfort zone
[1:17:55] of what we want to see on our intersections.
[1:17:58] So Verity was also a bit of this particular location.
[1:18:02] The outcome, Council graciously agreed to find the signal at this point.
[1:18:06] You're good, not that I needed any more because of my space therapy.
[1:18:12] We're actually in design right now.
[1:18:14] The mitigation for this is the traffic.
[1:18:15] That's wonderful.
[1:18:17] But this is the type, I used this kind of step through example
[1:18:20] because I wanted to understand how we're using the tools
[1:18:23] to find these types of applications.
[1:18:28] When we looked back at the diagnostics,
[1:18:32] That's why we're in, as far as a nine, almost 92% of your accidents were broadside.
[1:18:40] Not a proch turn.
[1:18:41] Not people turning left in front of people on Grant's stuff.
[1:18:44] This was purely people crossing Grant's stuff getting in.
[1:18:49] So, that tells us we have something that we can find and we can fix.
[1:18:54] So, looking a little wider, this is from C.D.
[1:18:59] When they're looking at some of their accident location, we talked a little bit about the stretch south of the Frank town where we've got level of service of safety for
[1:19:08] Fortunately, none of 83 in our particular jurisdiction as level of service of safety for the red dot just out of the training on that map. I know it's hard to see that is by built for the 83.
[1:19:21] So, they're aware of this, but I wanted you to kind of kind of see the bigger picture of what
[1:19:28] Seetot sees. We're doing, we haven't risen for that level on their facility yet, which is good.
[1:19:38] So, one of the other neat things that our tool can do is network screening. I'm going to ask you to
[1:19:44] guess what all of those axonet dots represent.
[1:19:49] You can hear the jeopardy music in the background
[1:19:51] that I didn't put it in slide shot.
[1:19:54] This is 500.
[1:19:55] This is 592 Carvers of beer access.
[1:19:59] Oh, oh.
[1:20:00] Well, I think I was going to do that.
[1:20:02] So now granted, we took this one back to 2007.
[1:20:06] So this is the backwards limit of our data.
[1:20:10] But you can see there is no 83 is probably our highest.
[1:20:15] I get calls, it's like, you need to come out and put a deer sign
[1:20:18] on my cul-de-sac.
[1:20:20] As I saw one dear, let's maybe think about where the highest concentration of accidents are and let's look at what we can do in those locations.
[1:20:32] So Main Street, a lot of people come from the wooded area of the north, they're headed down to the Gulf.
[1:20:39] Look at 83, the number of crossings of 83 with animal accident.
[1:20:45] So we need an animal crossing bridge.
[1:20:47] Oh, apparently.
[1:20:49] Finding the right spot, but now we've got sulfur gulps.
[1:20:52] We've got some underpasses, which are good.
[1:20:56] But there are deer, literally on every road in Parker.
[1:21:02] We joke sometimes that we just need to put up a big still for
[1:21:05] his right or his barks a lot from deer.
[1:21:07] They're everywhere.
[1:21:11] So.
[1:21:12] Beautiful.
[1:21:15] So some other things that the tool does for us, we can do for an after studies, primarily to see if the mitigation tool that we chose was the right tool.
[1:21:26] Are we actually seeing the tool predicts we can play the way of game a little bit and we can predict what our drop in accidents is going to be with any given tool.
[1:21:36] that we wanted to shake partner and part plan to around about.
[1:21:40] We could see what the actions would have been.
[1:21:41] What a signal, what we would expect the accidents to be.
[1:21:44] Our red arrows at 20 mile in time that are upcoming.
[1:21:49] We can say, we predict that accidents
[1:21:50] that this intersection should go from here to here.
[1:21:54] Let me compare those over time to see if we're
[1:21:56] making the right decisions.
[1:22:00] Or if there's other things that we want to look at,
[1:22:03] economic analysis also plays into that.
[1:22:05] Part of our free capital, we could put up a, you know, $700,000, $800,000 traffic signal.
[1:22:13] You could blow the whole thing up and put in a $4 million roundabout, but with your safety,
[1:22:18] you'd be different, comparable.
[1:22:21] So we can play some of those economic analysis and before after ideas to, with this tool,
[1:22:28] and base it off some actual statistics.
[1:22:31] You know, statewide, statewide data.
[1:22:36] I think that's most of what I wanted to, what did to hit at a high point.
[1:22:42] And I leave it to your questions now is to, to where we go with this to.
[1:22:47] It's new to us. We're still learning the limits of it. We've been through training. We're using it identifying problems.
[1:22:55] But I think there's, there's still more that we can do it in the years.
[1:23:02] And finally, thank you here as I'm doing and letting us back into the very fascinating and curious.
[1:23:08] I'm going to create our help to you guys going forward.
[1:23:11] It's a very cool stuff. Yeah.
[1:23:13] We want to see patterns.
[1:23:14] You didn't know anything.
[1:23:14] That's a good year.
[1:23:16] That's the whole thing is we want to find those system-wide things that we didn't even know the look for.
[1:23:23] You know, you can hear anecdotally this particular place was dangerous.
[1:23:27] someone around off the road here, but there's a whole using using some data to find those in a, you know, you know, you know, a better system is what we're after.
[1:23:40] And, and comparatively for the price, you couldn't have a person do this type of work, you know, and have it be cost effective.
[1:23:52] Those are just the dear accidents that we're going to call it.
[1:23:55] Correct.
[1:23:56] That's a good sense of 2020.
[1:23:59] Yes, 2020.
[1:24:01] Do you want more of that?
[1:24:04] So is the way that it is now.
[1:24:08] It has to go to the internal revenue.
[1:24:13] Yeah, Department of the Revenue is all of so.
[1:24:15] Sorry, it's taxing.
[1:24:19] But is there a way to like simultaneously get that to you?
[1:24:25] So we actually are doing that.
[1:24:27] So right now, the police department, when she's records department,
[1:24:32] send bundles up these records, prints them out,
[1:24:34] we get a hard copy of those at our shop.
[1:24:38] So this data that we have through the end of 2022
[1:24:41] is what we can use in this tool is the database
[1:24:44] to search. Now we have a specific location that looks weird. We're getting that raw data in real
[1:24:51] time. And we're keeping that in our record system, the V-hides system. So we can look at specific
[1:24:58] intersections. If this tool says 20 mile and 500 is a problem, we can look, you know, we can follow
[1:25:06] that trend. But if we wanted to look into 2023 or early 2024, we're also getting that raw data.
[1:25:11] It's just not a searchable and a tool like it is here.
[1:25:15] Okay.
[1:25:16] Do we, I can guess?
[1:25:19] But what's the, the busiest time of day for dear card clinicians?
[1:25:26] It's, it's typically evening evening times.
[1:25:29] Right at that twilight time.
[1:25:32] But again, we can, we can search those out by corridor time.
[1:25:36] We can, we can give you day of the week, month of the year if you're curious.
[1:25:40] We can nail it down as that that detail.
[1:25:46] Very, very cool.
[1:25:48] We're excited about it.
[1:25:51] Josh.
[1:25:52] So my question, obviously.
[1:25:54] Of course, let's say that only engineers took statistics a nice voice.
[1:25:58] I don't know.
[1:25:58] I didn't know that.
[1:25:59] Oh, yeah.
[1:26:01] No, but no, the question is, is, is plaza and a little less from eastbound to southbound.
[1:26:09] Okay, is that anything looked at, this is something that's recent.
[1:26:13] So our nipple comes through when Patrick gets,
[1:26:17] every intersection I'm a down park road, nothing stood out there,
[1:26:21] but I have not run the detailed diagnostic there yet.
[1:26:24] I don't think we had anything over.
[1:26:26] I think we were in LOSS 2 there, but we weren't.
[1:26:30] It wasn't like three, high threes or something.
[1:26:33] But I would like that.
[1:26:37] But I would pretty much, for me, as my time
[1:26:40] will allow, I'm going to look at anything
[1:26:41] in that LLSS2, kind of like 20-mile point.
[1:26:45] On the surface, it wouldn't look like we've
[1:26:48] done a great big problem.
[1:26:49] But diagnostics, here's your big red finger.
[1:26:53] Look at this, I think, we can definitely
[1:26:55] look at that part of your plaza and report back
[1:26:57] and see what it does.
[1:26:58] Yeah, I'm just curious, because it will
[1:26:59] such a huge intersection in people that
[1:27:02] to go to work they don't know the course,
[1:27:03] but it's pretty straight, doesn't it?
[1:27:05] Yeah.
[1:27:06] Thank you.
[1:27:08] What?
[1:27:09] If the so you only have this accident,
[1:27:11] the analysis software about a year ago?
[1:27:13] No.
[1:27:14] We actually signed a contract in November.
[1:27:17] But we're, because of,
[1:27:20] and I don't want to say,
[1:27:21] it's easy, but the tool is pretty effective.
[1:27:23] We're able to do a lot of it intersections
[1:27:26] on a pretty short order.
[1:27:27] So that kind of just the high level.
[1:27:29] And so, because it's rather new,
[1:27:33] what would you say are the top three goals of this program
[1:27:36] in your mind as the traffic engineer,
[1:27:39] you know, the goals are really to find the problems
[1:27:44] that we can address and not rely on word of mouth to find that.
[1:27:52] That to me is probably one entry is find the problem.
[1:27:57] Everyone let's talk to their neighbor. Oh, this is the worst intersection in town.
[1:28:02] Well, I'd like to have some data behind me to, to either confirm everything back.
[1:28:08] And so that would be, find the issues you can address and prove intersections that will be the third one.
[1:28:14] I mean, really, it's, it's safe for all users in town.
[1:28:18] We are, we have, we have, we can't find the problems, we can't fix the problems.
[1:28:23] So at the end of the day, the game is, see that I said it too, it's safety of all of our traveling public is why we do this.
[1:28:31] And so as time goes by, this is going to contribute overall to the safety of towns.
[1:28:37] So five years from now, my goal is to get to a point where every single intersection in town is about LOS S1.
[1:28:47] And we're, we don't have easy things to correct anymore. That would be my goal.
[1:28:52] And what's the cost of this per year?
[1:28:55] As 10K per year, 10,000 dollars.
[1:28:57] That is our licensing fee.
[1:29:01] And, compared to a person, you know,
[1:29:04] and then just overall just because you are
[1:29:07] in charge of traffic and signals and operations,
[1:29:11] citizen complaints on the year.
[1:29:13] What does that look like?
[1:29:17] It varies.
[1:29:19] Usually the complaints come sometimes from people
[1:29:25] of witness to accidents that like I said earlier we kind of get that
[1:29:30] visual reaction when you see a car ups I don't have an intersection like this
[1:29:33] intersection is terrible right let's find out if it is and and so I I don't have a
[1:29:42] good answer for directly to your question but this may help yeah absolutely
[1:29:47] sure in responding to that citizen complaint absolutely once you get enough data
[1:29:52] Absolutely.
[1:29:54] So somebody writes in and says, this intersection is very dangerous, a great spell didn't
[1:29:58] parkland.
[1:29:59] Yep.
[1:30:00] Thanks.
[1:30:00] A colleague, straight, fair question.
[1:30:01] Yeah, early.
[1:30:02] The first day, like years down here, where there's no ability to turn, there's no ability to get out, people are racing down
[1:30:09] brand-spelt.
[1:30:10] To make the public say, Lincoln and Pine was another perfect example. We went to red arrows up there
[1:30:15] for all probably six years ago or so.
[1:30:18] Used to be. You go up time to turn left on the lake in and we just had it as a green ball. It's
[1:30:23] wide open, sightlines. But our accident rate there was ridiculous.
[1:30:26] And they really shouldn't be raising down
[1:30:28] brands called Road, right?
[1:30:29] It's kind of the least part of it as well.
[1:30:32] But they seem to.
[1:30:33] They just kind of alerted somebody.
[1:30:36] But so you're going to be able to take that data.
[1:30:40] And then when a citizen does have it,
[1:30:41] and playing, saying, sure,
[1:30:42] we've been able to analyze this with our data.
[1:30:45] Yeah.
[1:30:45] And respond appropriately.
[1:30:48] Yeah.
[1:30:48] And hopefully, we find them the board before
[1:30:50] I see that a conversation point is going
[1:30:52] for our statements.
[1:30:53] We want to, we want to, we want to know those before the general public.
[1:30:56] No, that was highway through all of that already.
[1:31:01] Thank you.
[1:31:01] Yeah, great.
[1:31:02] Yes.
[1:31:04] So how am I know you and I spoke when I first got elected about the flinging yellow arrows.
[1:31:10] And I have been, I took what you said in heart that if they were new and we're testing
[1:31:14] them out to see what the actual levels are.
[1:31:16] I know myself just in a lot of couple months have witnessed three accidents at
[1:31:21] And I was almost one of them because people don't understand the yellow blinking light, so is part of this is there a way for us to track how many of those accidents like with the turns and stuff are actually happening because people don't understand the blinking and yellow era.
[1:31:40] So understand would be a stretch because the form form looks a cause and type, so they can put in things like an experienced driver, they can put in fail to yield, they didn't understand how the number was working.
[1:32:00] That level of detail doesn't usually make it into the ice and ever report.
[1:32:05] Okay, so one of the things we talked about was give it a year specifically at a can of area and cuts
[1:32:11] to see because that was new there and it's been over a year now. So we have we seen an increase in accidents that
[1:32:18] typically with the turn on to can of area where we seem to decrease or do not know yet. We don't know yet.
[1:32:23] I'm still out to do anything else in some of the intersection, but that's the beauty of this software is now we can take a
[1:32:35] data after it, we can do a comparison.
[1:32:37] Can we also actually know you and I talked about
[1:32:39] has in Canaverick, can we also add muscle marker
[1:32:41] and then test short to that?
[1:32:43] It was because, right in that every single day.
[1:32:46] So can't tell if Canaverick, but is it the last time?
[1:32:48] Yeah, sorry, he'll talk about it.
[1:32:49] Yeah, the question, yellow arrow is instead of a solid
[1:32:51] of a green.
[1:32:52] Yes, a green ball.
[1:32:54] It's a subtle, it's not a huge sight, it's not a blue here.
[1:32:57] It's whether or not people, I, so we have lots of really
[1:33:03] boring internal discussion, but can people run the flashing yellow? Is it because they don't
[1:33:10] understand about flashing yellow means or do they misjudge the distance? The same as they would
[1:33:14] at a green ball. So that's what I'm trying to figure out. Is why do why are we in the intersection
[1:33:21] when we shouldn't be? The one that I just saw at Matsabacher and Hess, it was my husband driving,
[1:33:27] and it was red, but so all affordable red, but his was a blinking yellow arrow.
[1:33:32] He's like, well, do I go or do I not go the other people or saying the same thing in like in this little hesitant of like, oh, we're not in the light red, but it's blinking yellow. So yeah, for the record of flashing yellow means you can turn the events clear.
[1:33:45] Yeah, we figured it out.
[1:33:47] He had already experienced driver like I have been so a little of like if I need to drive. Right. You're a driver. Yeah, we'll just look. So the the one really cool thing and I'll just just because I'm a traffic nerd watching yellow is not the cure all.
[1:34:02] by any stretch, and sometimes brings attention to an intersection that people might not be looking at.
[1:34:10] But the other thing that it lets us do is some creative things with operation by time of day.
[1:34:18] So chambers and mainstream, for example, if you go out there at 11 o'clock at night, it's a ghost now.
[1:34:26] And if you sit there at a red arrow for 90 seconds, you're like, this stupid engineer does it, you know, but if you can roll up and you see it's clear and you can make the decision. So we're trying that in a lot of places where during the heart of the rush hour. No, nobody should have. I'm going to not even let you make it mistake. We're going to restrict it to red arrow. But at certain times of the day, we can take it back. Yeah, and I think that's what I just like to evaluate is, you know, how many accidents that we see.
[1:34:56] an increase or decrease on with the yellow arrows and doesn't make sense to make them hard
[1:35:01] arrows during certain times. Yes. I've got it. Yeah, let me go there, I'm sorry.
[1:35:06] I'm sorry. Thank you. John, so I should thank you. Okay. Thank you, guys.
[1:35:15] All right, on the next step we have a legislative update with the family voting.
[1:35:23] The family were on the downturn of the session, right? Yeah, I know.
[1:35:51] Well, I don't have a tip on to go over and I think I just have a few updates and then just wanted to give everyone an opportunity to bring up the many questions concerns or so that we're not currently tracking in.
[1:36:08] I'm going through our list on Friday and updated the status of each of those, based on what I love each and other.
[1:36:16] I mean, and what we just did actually on the general assembly is a tracker.
[1:36:22] So the first one is the bottom of page four.
[1:36:27] It's about 1080 and previously talked about it on the set.
[1:36:35] This is youths for the personnel required in, and in conversations with Jeff, there are concerns about
[1:36:45] the requirement for volunteers, volunteers and sports leads to be CPR certified and also factors that we have it as monitor.
[1:36:56] And see how is speaking amendments for this to potentially get an opt-out for local
[1:37:06] amendments for the sleeves, staff and some sort of section amendment.
[1:37:11] So my initial question is just that if there's interest and possibly moving to an upload
[1:37:15] and let them not make the decision, which is what we announced.
[1:37:21] I mean, I'll tell you strictly that this will view and the mandate of what this would cost to this family.
[1:37:30] Let me see. I think our parts of the right would be green, but this is a matter of cost. So there are positions that are closing by cemented for a municipal car.
[1:37:44] And I would add, and I'm sure all of you have had children and sports here. How difficult is, especially pod might be on this to get volunteers to volunteer for as a coach for an assistant coach on anything in broccoli.
[1:38:02] And we have a town population when people are busy working to jobs and to put this additional requirement on a citizen volunteer of a coach or an assistant coach is kind of further create at a total lack of volunteers.
[1:38:19] So, in any sports league period, so that too for CML to really want this underload control, I totally agree, and I agree with the closing of the amendment.
[1:38:34] I don't know whoever proposed this bill truly understands that there's no safety issue at hand in volunteer coaches and assistant volunteer coaches when it comes to sports league.
[1:38:48] usually the children are never alone with the coaches, there is always a crowd of parents
[1:38:54] they're watching in any sports team and there is a crowd of volunteers for any sports
[1:39:00] league hearing parker as well. So this to me appears to be a money-making proposition for
[1:39:08] folks that are administering CPR classes and birthday classes. That's what it appears to be.
[1:39:17] It would appear to me that somebody came up with this bill to include their bottom line on these classes.
[1:39:24] It's not necessary, then it's not being in touch.
[1:39:33] I really felt it.
[1:39:34] Yeah, it was.
[1:39:35] It was another one.
[1:39:36] That was great.
[1:39:43] I will have that change.
[1:39:46] And when I remember things, we were okay to know.
[1:39:50] on the page 9, construction V4. It's going to go 1,010. Just an update on this one that there's
[1:40:00] delay in voting, but it didn't move out of committee. It's going down on the set of four for further
[1:40:05] discussion, potential amendments, so let's still know then.
[1:40:18] On the page 20 to New York,
[1:40:22] with the fire and the sensitive states that are
[1:40:28] within another update on this one.
[1:40:32] It's actually the bottom of the bill below at 1028.
[1:40:36] That update is actually intended for the fire and the sensitive states.
[1:40:41] That the Senate committee on judiciary was taking away the testimony and work committee discussion only on March 20.
[1:40:49] So that is still moving toward it as well right now at least with discussion.
[1:40:55] We talked a little bit about this one Friday.
[1:40:58] It is, seeing all staffs opinion and this isn't that built.
[1:41:03] That's, you know, that's still going through the issues ahead.
[1:41:06] It's a little further than that.
[1:41:07] Seeing all the holding positions.
[1:41:11] Opposing us amended to please take a look at.
[1:41:14] I think there's a lot of.
[1:41:22] And can I just add again the reason for this bill is to not allow the citizens groups that are
[1:41:36] springing up across the country to allow citizens can still carry in the classroom.
[1:41:42] So that's what this deal is about.
[1:41:45] This bill is about taking away a teacher's ride
[1:41:50] for a citizen's room that trains citizens
[1:41:54] to have open carrying a classroom away
[1:41:57] so that teachers would not be able to protect themselves
[1:42:00] in the classroom.
[1:42:02] And so I'm very happy that this is going to die.
[1:42:13] So it was pretty fun.
[1:42:14] Are you creating new things from CML and 1028?
[1:42:18] I heard that's all that bad, and we have a few of the decisions safe injections.
[1:42:26] So we didn't talk about it Friday, we only talked about the new business to take.
[1:42:29] Okay, it's been a long agenda, so we didn't go back to one of your anticipated decisions.
[1:42:33] So I didn't hear anything William would probably know more about.
[1:42:40] I'm looking to see if there's anything William will know.
[1:42:49] I'm going to move on to about the face 29.
[1:42:51] We have seen the draft R2D model regarding governance and reform, I've boarded that to everyone today to take a look at.
[1:43:02] Looks like sponsors are looking for feedback by the 27 and there will be additional stakeholder outreach next week.
[1:43:10] So if we hear anything, I will be sure to pass it along to the entire council.
[1:43:16] So it says that you're looking for time position and next steps to be determined.
[1:43:20] Yeah, it hasn't been formally introduced, review it, and then maybe if the next discussion, we can, the next one volume will be out as well.
[1:43:29] So if there's more information at that point and you feel comfortable taking a position, can certainly talk further about it.
[1:43:37] So that has been, it doesn't have a number yet.
[1:43:48] I have a question about the state budget bill and some questions about aging resources being allocated for that.
[1:44:06] I just was reading the email from the sort of, I'll be a second director from Asian resources.
[1:44:18] And this was, this was, I think just sent to me as a citizen that I just,
[1:44:24] do you know anything much more about this or can we look into this anymore?
[1:44:29] Um, it just sounds like there's a sense of bill, uh,
[1:44:43] so I just thought at this afternoon,
[1:44:46] but it's just really going to, um, kind of hamstring a lot of the support that are
[1:44:54] and the population because currently receiving the same thing go through.
[1:45:00] So
[1:45:02] yeah, it looks like the ask was to email representatives by this Wednesday asking them the fund easing services, as the bill did not include any increase in state funding for triple A or senior services, if they're support, we could certainly do that.
[1:45:24] I don't want to get in the car, Pat.
[1:45:25] Well, I think, you know, I got it, I think it was the same bill for the darker car, sort
[1:45:31] of, you know, children, since they took away food regions, but, you know, it was the long
[1:45:39] bills, no need to close now, as of, you know, but when it's day nine, so it was, it was
[1:45:44] around the challenging to kind of find, you know, what was the five million, and that was
[1:45:51] a challenge according to the people that are loving us to come up.
[1:45:58] They were only in the question that I needed to have in tonight, which was Wednesday.
[1:46:04] In the next couple of hours in this, you know, the other option, the attention for amendment to kind of add it,
[1:46:10] but with a long bill sort of trying to get to what it just becomes a responsibility,
[1:46:16] and just, you know, determine the mood forward, you know, it was not going to be a
[1:46:22] incredibly bleak Wednesday night, but other things would be happening.
[1:46:27] Since then,
[1:46:30] what does it mean?
[1:46:31] When we start, I can certainly back and just see where it's at, when you're in the first
[1:46:35] time of the possibility to support her, you know, for anything I actually might
[1:46:39] count to, that it counts for potato. When you better fish a lot, I mean, this kind of,
[1:46:44] Yeah, we're going to need to talk
[1:46:51] about any other bills, so we should go and say it's a question.
[1:46:58] Thank you for that.
[1:47:00] You're fast.
[1:47:02] All right.
[1:47:03] I'm going to turn item number four over to Miracle and Diet.
[1:47:07] Can you use the conversation that I'm going to excuse myself and pick it in early.
[1:47:12] Sorry.
[1:47:42] and gender types.
[1:47:44] Resolution discussion with Dary,
[1:47:46] Tannin and the Senate statutes,
[1:47:48] which are the most fun to mention,
[1:47:49] is what we still have with this development action,
[1:47:52] as yourselves, and I told the work
[1:47:54] of a 90 participating in this online session.
[1:47:57] It was lunch, the record was like,
[1:47:59] the relation that I already said to you to go.
[1:48:01] So, in the file, I'll give it to you.
[1:48:03] Can I ask the question of our town attorney?
[1:48:06] Why does Mayor Tobberg have to leave the room?
[1:48:10] He's a citizen and there are plenty of citizens here in the room tonight.
[1:48:15] We should be able to stay in the room.
[1:48:18] And I actually have that discussion from the panel.
[1:48:20] I'm happy to provide more information in the next second session,
[1:48:23] but I've got to be a laborer.
[1:48:26] So this is a public forum right now,
[1:48:28] but he has to leave the room.
[1:48:31] Due to the determination of our conference,
[1:48:33] and because that was the case.
[1:48:36] He can watch this already.
[1:48:37] Yes, he can.
[1:48:41] I mean, I don't understand the leave the room issue.
[1:48:47] There are plenty of people that can sit in this room.
[1:48:49] You can listen online.
[1:48:51] I think it's a trotace that he has to leave the room.
[1:48:59] He can listen and then he can sit in this room.
[1:49:03] But there's he should be able to sit in the room and participate in
[1:49:08] that's what you're concerned about is not it could be the issue that could be discussed with them,
[1:49:13] but he should be able to sit in this room. There is no public participation in study
[1:49:18] settings. It's for council discretion. Sure. I guess that I advise to ask you that decision earlier
[1:49:24] today and I'm happy to provide additional legal advice to council as to the legal decisions
[1:49:29] that were made into having to leave the room this far. Do you want me to add the references of
[1:49:34] of ethics. So in the code of ethics, it says in addition, you're disqualified a number in this case, Mayor Tolerary,
[1:49:42] which I'll refrain from attempting to influence the decisions rather of other members of council
[1:49:47] or board and voting on the matter and refrain from participating in any matter in the deliberations
[1:49:52] of the council or board. So we have had presidents set in the past. We've had training sessions
[1:50:00] where we have advised that when there's a conflict that when the item comes up that the town
[1:50:09] council number or in this case the mayor has to leave the room because there's the herbal
[1:50:14] and non-verbal communication, there's body language and that could be interpreted as influencing
[1:50:20] other members of council and then tonight what we're going to be doing is asking for direction
[1:50:25] on these resolutions that are in your back at the scene.
[1:50:28] And so, you may recall the council number code.
[1:50:32] She left the chambers when they were conflict issues
[1:50:35] that's associated with the initiative notation.
[1:50:37] You may recall she gathered up her belongings
[1:50:39] and actually physically left the room.
[1:50:42] That has been the history in the town
[1:50:44] that if there's a conflict, that the best position
[1:50:47] is to leave the room because at that point,
[1:50:50] you cannot be accused of trying to influence other council members
[1:50:53] again, raising a barn, throwing a buys, you know, could be interpreted as interpreting or influencing the other members of the board.
[1:51:05] And you just see that not to put that body language piece to this ethics policy.
[1:51:13] I mean, I mean, just for clarification, I mean, it's an interpretation.
[1:51:19] And we certainly could, that that has been the practice, and again, it says shall refrain from attempting to influence the decisions of other members.
[1:51:28] And refrain from participating any matter whatsoever.
[1:51:32] So again, that is the language right out of the photographs.
[1:51:35] Yeah, it does help.
[1:51:37] The body language does help.
[1:51:39] understand that. And if you seek fit to put, you know, that in there, that would be helpful for clarification in the future.
[1:51:48] Certainly. And then I think in our training materials, when we have new council numbers,
[1:51:52] new vayers, that is part of the training material that once the conflict is determined that you leave the room about I would pay.
[1:51:59] Sarah, let's go. I just think we should put that in light in the future body language. If that's what you're getting at.
[1:52:04] to make it perfectly clear in our ethics. Sure. But. Absolutely. Jenny and we need to have a
[1:52:13] study session executive session on this item to kind of resolve this or should we just.
[1:52:17] No, I think it's resolved. I asked the question John told it. Yeah, it's as long as there's no
[1:52:23] further decision. I think we're fine. Okay. And I would just stay for the record that if you're
[1:52:27] needs to be a positive change of the constant decision that's not discovered.
[1:52:31] That's all going to get into it. Yeah, that's all going to be possible to talk about whether we need a policy change to identify by the language.
[1:52:38] Then the council is stuck on that because staff can't go out and don't just do that. Correct. Correct. We need to have direction from the majority of council.
[1:52:46] Well, it's a clarification issue and if you don't want to change it, then the question will come up repeatedly in the future.
[1:52:54] So I have no issue on that, as long as it's clarified each time it comes up, then it's a body language issue.
[1:53:01] So I've got my question. If you're asking the question that you need to address the policy, then you're suggesting just being, we need to have a future discussion on changing the policy.
[1:53:09] It's not something that they should do, if we do want council to talk about this and change policy, then I think you're suggesting we have a steady session on changing this policy.
[1:53:23] I'm not changing the policy and the issue is not changing anything.
[1:53:28] It's making it more clear in writing so I didn't have to ask the question for future councils and I don't see that as changing policy.
[1:53:37] I see it. Let me finish please. I see it as clarifying what is already in the policy.
[1:53:47] Okay. So I believe that the attorneys in this room with the help of Michelle can figure out whether that Lawrence and other study session were not.
[1:53:56] It is not a policy chain.
[1:53:59] Again, let me read it in the clarification which has already Mr. Maloney. Hey, hey, I'm tired of being attacked by all of you. I'm not attacked by I'm tired of being attacked by every single one of you in this room
[1:54:13] We're not attacking. No, well, they don't go there. No, go there. Don't go there.
[1:54:17] Okay, all right, all right, don't play a turning with me either. I already put on the table. I already put on the table. I already put on the table
[1:54:25] who we're I think this should go okay go leave it there leave it there because you're
[1:54:31] at you apparently don't understand that it's already in the policy Mr. Maloney
[1:54:36] specifically clarifying what are ready exists okay don't tell me we need a
[1:54:40] council meeting on that or you are not by saying it no I don't need all of your
[1:54:45] attacks and I'm quite done with them I have just a much right on both on this board
[1:54:51] And all of you, in terms of how you've been here 10 years,
[1:54:54] or you've been here 12 years, does it make your voice any louder?
[1:54:58] I do not expect any more insult or attacks,
[1:55:01] but any of you on this council.
[1:55:03] I was getting question is not an attack.
[1:55:04] Yes, it is.
[1:55:06] I'm taking quite enough.
[1:55:06] You can't handle how to discuss projects and policies.
[1:55:09] I think no, you have to do it.
[1:55:11] You're quite not the ball of your bullying.
[1:55:13] Laura, you're the one screening, though.
[1:55:14] No, that's right because I've taken three years of it.
[1:55:17] Let's forward back.
[1:55:18] Let's forward back.
[1:55:19] Let's take a fair minute, very precise, and reset to the item hand here, subject as resolution, discussion, regarding town and sales tax, and general.
[1:55:33] Fund budget, the issue, town staff to present the factual information contained in the attached resolution.
[1:55:39] So I guess to me the first question is, we have two resolutions, one is facts, and one is written as an opposition.
[1:55:49] We want to have a discussion there when part of that and just go straight to the information.
[1:55:55] I see let's start with the information first and then decide how we want to proceed once we have the information.
[1:56:00] Do we go with that?
[1:56:02] Okay.
[1:56:04] Let's go with the information.
[1:56:06] Okay.
[1:56:07] So as John indicated, there are two forms of resolution that are in your survey session
[1:56:13] packet this evening, the resolution prepared by the town staff, and this is in response to
[1:56:19] the attendance that is being proposed by a petitioning committee called Under Citizens for Fair
[1:56:25] Taxes. The purpose of the proposed ordinances to establish three separate exemptions
[1:56:32] to the sales tax collected by the town, specifically exempting the sale of food for
[1:56:37] on-consumption, and stroke products and diapers from the town sales tax. So we have, I guess I'll
[1:56:45] call it slide number one, and then the next one. So as I indicate, there's two forms of resolution,
[1:56:53] I want to point out that these resolutions only address food for on-consumption. They do not
[1:56:59] address the other two items, menstrual products, or diapers.
[1:57:05] Town staff and I will refer to the exemption for food for home consumption.
[1:57:09] As the grocery packs, town staff prepared the resolution for consideration by town council,
[1:57:16] because state law allows the governing body of the municipality and this issue,
[1:57:21] the town council, to pass a resolution to take a position of advocacy,
[1:57:27] concerning the proposed ordinance.
[1:57:30] The reason staff is providing town council with two forms of the resolution is to provide council with two options and addressing the proposed ordinance.
[1:57:40] We'll call the option one resolution takes a position of advocacy,
[1:57:46] opposing the proposed ordinance, and the option two resolution does not take a position of advocacy,
[1:57:53] and directs that the bactual information contained in the resolution be shared with the residents of the town.
[1:58:00] The recitals contained in both resolutions include a bactual summary of the impacts to the town
[1:58:07] with the proposed ordinance is passed.
[1:58:10] And I'll briefly summarize the differences between the two options.
[1:58:16] So option one, again, this is the advocacy resolution.
[1:58:22] The title to this resolution states,
[1:58:25] the resolution of permanently asserting the town council's
[1:58:28] opposition to the initiative petition,
[1:58:32] to exempt the purchase of food for home consumption
[1:58:34] from the town sales tax.
[1:58:37] Just a little next time.
[1:58:40] We cite on number two, and this is only contained in the option one,
[1:58:44] rest of the little Shen.
[1:58:46] And this specifically provides the town council
[1:58:48] that poses the proposed ordinance,
[1:58:51] because the passage of the proposed ordinance,
[1:58:54] which amounts to an unplanned tax cut,
[1:58:57] will negatively affect all residents of the town by,
[1:59:00] and that the search's five different reasons.
[1:59:04] Those reasons are all disgusting detail
[1:59:06] in the resolution. The first one would strain straining town services, including public safety
[1:59:13] and public works, increasing the cost paid by residents for town services, necessity,
[1:59:20] necessitating an effort to fill in funding gaps with new revenues, many of which would
[1:59:25] likely require a vote of the town residents, reducing the funds available for parking
[1:59:31] recreation and cultural arts facilities and programs. And limiting the ability of the town to provide economic
[1:59:39] incentives to attract new businesses and employment opportunities. Next slide. On the other hand,
[1:59:47] the title for the option to restitution states a resolution to address the financial impact of the
[1:59:53] if the purchase of food, brown, and sunshen is exactly the town sales tax.
[2:00:00] Residual number 2, as I indicated from the previous slide, is not contained in this particular
[2:00:06] resolution. Additionally, the concluding section of this resolution, which is contained on the last page
[2:00:13] of the option to resolution, which is in the packet, states of the town council, hereby
[2:00:19] direct that the information contained and recitals, be shared with the residents of the town of
[2:00:31] That staff, did you take out the slide on your question?
[2:00:35] We'll just have you.
[2:00:36] Got you.
[2:00:38] Staff and I are going to present financial impacts that are described in the two forms of a resolution.
[2:00:45] After conclusion of the presentation, town staff will request a reaction to the town council
[2:00:49] concerning the placement of one of these options on the town council agenda for further
[2:00:54] consideration by the town council.
[2:00:58] And if you refer to the option number one resolution and except for paragraph two, the
[2:01:04] bachelor of surgeons are the same, I'm going to start with recital number one, which states
[2:01:12] there's currently a petition being circulated in the town of Parker to significantly cut
[2:01:17] the town sales tax by eliminating the sales tax on food purchase but home consumption.
[2:01:22] There are several sub-paragraphs to this particular option, we cite a one.
[2:01:31] This recital provides the background related to the petition that is being circulated
[2:01:35] for the proposed ordinance.
[2:01:38] If the committee submits sufficient signatures, and that's going to be 6,820 signatures,
[2:01:45] to the town third by July 1st, 2024.
[2:01:49] The proposed ordinance will appear on the November 5th, 2024 general election.
[2:01:55] If the committee submits sufficient signatures after July 1, 2024,
[2:02:01] but before the August 12, 2024 deadline,
[2:02:05] the town will be required to hold the special election after the November general election.
[2:02:11] The cost of a special election is approximately $69,000.
[2:02:16] And this assumes that we get assistance from Douglas County.
[2:02:19] If we don't, this cost is going to increase.
[2:02:21] So this is, I think, going to be impacts that we wanted to identify for you in terms of this proposal.
[2:02:29] If you go to recite a number three, like the option number one resolution,
[2:02:34] It stays in 1981, landowners voted to incorporate the town of Arthur and voted to tax themselves to provide services that were not being adequately provided by the proposed county, including law enforcement, roads, parks, open space trails and basic municipal services.
[2:02:53] Again, this paragraph also has a number of sub-paragraphs.
[2:03:01] This recital provides the background related to the corporation of the town in 1981 to provide basic town services.
[2:03:09] These were services that were not being provided by Douglas County.
[2:03:13] And the decision of the original elected officials to adopt a sales tax,
[2:03:19] which included the grocery tax to raise revenue to pay for these services.
[2:03:25] In 1982, the town's citizens approved an additional 1.5 sales tax to buy the police department
[2:03:33] and the municipal court. This tax also included a grocery tax. And in 1990,
[2:03:46] this was a
[2:03:47] to access the views exclusively for the Parks and Recreation, including the grocery tax.
[2:03:53] So since 1990, the town is collected, it combines 3% sales tax, which includes the grocery
[2:04:00] tax. If you refer to recital number four in the Resolution Option 1, the town's 3% sales tax,
[2:04:12] which includes the tax on groceries,
[2:04:15] is paid by both account residents,
[2:04:17] as well as non-residents.
[2:04:20] The benefit of using a sales tax
[2:04:22] to paper town services is that non-residents
[2:04:26] provide a significant amount of the sales tax revenue.
[2:04:31] Grows these stores and park are dropped,
[2:04:33] this is not only from town residents,
[2:04:35] but from non-residents, including
[2:04:37] when incorporated does this county,
[2:04:39] Rapo County, Aurora, Elizabeth, Branktown, Longtree, Caseroa, and
[2:04:45] the area. So, on the screen you have what's identified as the grocery store trade area,
[2:04:53] well, these going to discuss that and get back to the website and include a designer stand
[2:04:58] 180,000 people. So, this is a trade area that we've used for grocery stores and other retailers
[2:05:06] pretty much since I worked with the town, so over ten plus years. So there are minor refinements that come in the play of and you grow to show our opens and closes in the area. So this is a consistent map that we've utilized population as grown as housing in that area is grown and typically comes from what retailers tell us they're drawing from zip codes as well as commute patterns.
[2:05:31] So, and people are driving up Parker Road, they're more inclined to stop on the grocery store
[2:05:37] in the way home for more things like this, like the grocery retailers and told us something.
[2:05:43] And so, we decided on number four, concluded that the elimination of the grocery tax result
[2:05:50] may have lots of major source of tax revenue from non-residents, we shop in Parker and a corresponding
[2:05:56] increasing the cost of town, services to residents, or in the alternative, a significant
[2:06:02] reduction in services provided by the town in the absence of early replacement.
[2:06:11] Recyl 5, the majority of the revenue collected by the town to pay for town services comes
[2:06:17] by 2.5% of the 3% of sales tax collected by the town, because the revenue of the 0.5%
[2:06:25] of the sales taxes restricted by charter to the park and recreation fund.
[2:06:31] This recital section explains that the in 2023, we did an analysis, which I'll
[2:06:38] over in a future section, but in 2023, 67 million dollars was collected by the sales tax
[2:06:46] collections. The total amount paid into the general fund is 58 55.8 million in the total
[2:06:53] outpied into a part of some recreation fund with 11.8 to 12.
[2:06:58] In 2023, 69% of the town general fund revenue came from the two and a half percent sales tax.
[2:07:07] All right.
[2:07:08] Two and a half percent sales tax.
[2:07:10] This is a revenue from the two and a half percent sales tax.
[2:07:14] And who's taxing the risk?
[2:07:15] Of course, it used to pay for town services.
[2:07:17] It's described in the section.
[2:07:20] So what this is a rather long section that said I get it somewhere.
[2:07:23] you know, basically everything the town does, you know, the general fund and another fund
[2:07:28] that are heavily reliant.
[2:07:30] On the general fund, either the transfers in, or as we're charges to the general fund.
[2:07:36] And kind of giving some perspective on how much each of our few services might be impacted by this sales tax
[2:07:45] and brochures going away. You see, 34.2% of the money I come in, which I don't find, that's
[2:07:56] not only law enforcement, as we traditionally think of a police service, but also looking
[2:08:01] at building inspection services, live safety, rolled into that as well, that comes from
[2:08:06] the General Fund. 24.9% comes from public works, which is a wonderful road network, and
[2:08:14] everything that goes along the Serbs tonight, and we're about that tonight, and a lot of
[2:08:20] the developer view, inspections, stormwater management, is key attractive management,
[2:08:25] It's no plowing streets we've been and not to mention management, engineering, and capital
[2:08:31] projects.
[2:08:31] The big stuff would be built for the talents benefit as well as I said, on my regular
[2:08:37] production.
[2:08:38] 18% is spent on general government, term it's not my favorite, because it just towns, you know,
[2:08:45] you know, there's a lot of important things within that 18% including the 10 million years
[2:08:51] office, which manages and coordinates this dance that we do every day. And probably more importantly,
[2:08:58] more fun, the community events section of the town comes through this general government,
[2:09:04] 18% section here. The municipal court, of course, finance department, IT, IT is actually largely
[2:09:12] home fund, but every says a lot of it's funding through the general fund, so I'm going to
[2:09:17] answer this function. Human resources department, and then the part-sourcing of the space
[2:09:24] segment of our partnership integration department, comes to the general fund, so I'm going to
[2:09:28] do the general fund, a large part. We've spent 4.7% on that service, like with IT 2.7% the
[2:09:40] cultural context from the general fund are 2.7% of the general fund goes to cultural
[2:09:45] I should say.
[2:09:46] The end-cultural is its own special revenue fund and it does receive payment from the general
[2:09:51] fund each year, and then 2.4% of community development, 1.3% economic developments, and then
[2:10:00] I am James K on page 6, give some context on how many full-time employees we have, which is
[2:10:08] 1209, 606 part-time employees, and almost 1500 volunteers, but that's kind of a general fun.
[2:10:16] So the point in showing you this session is that the tax cut would strain each of these services
[2:10:22] and some large degree, it's a pretty large number, and to also impact the amount of personnel
[2:10:28] presumably we would be able to fund to the tax cut and be successful.
[2:10:36] Going on to number seven,
[2:10:38] Kind of a similar situation, do you have percent sales tax on groceries,
[2:10:43] just in the parks of REC Fund, and provides a partner for parks, recreation, and open space services.
[2:10:49] Some are stored to number six above, just money funds and large park.
[2:10:54] A lot of projects, a capital projects, land acquisitions.
[2:10:58] You'll find a full list of those in your packet, parent, exhibit be.
[2:11:04] These are all the projects that have been funded through this
[2:11:07] half percent sales tax for the years since 1990.
[2:11:14] Now I'll spare you if you're going through all of them, but you'll notice it's quite
[2:11:18] as few.
[2:11:19] It's quite a few that we funded over a year of span.
[2:11:22] So, there are only an exhibit to see as everything we have planned for the future at this
[2:11:25] point.
[2:11:25] There's some pretty high profile to you.
[2:11:28] I don't understand here.
[2:11:30] Solesbury is in here that's a major bogey for us.
[2:11:34] We like that project, it's very nice.
[2:11:39] And if the grocery tax would go away,
[2:11:43] presumably a lot of these projects would be compromised
[2:11:46] and potentially have to go away as well.
[2:11:49] Going out to 7D here, that's also operational impacts.
[2:11:54] And would be felt because it's actual in the way.
[2:11:58] You see that our personal recreation department managers, almost 400 acres of boat, part
[2:12:04] land, 41 miles of trails, 14 parks, 100.4 acres of open space, four different recreation
[2:12:12] facilities, including the rec center in the field of house, and that group of fortenates
[2:12:16] of four range of adult new activities, including aquatic classes, original educational classes,
[2:12:21] but this is one of the sports therapeutic recreation special links, our parks forestry
[2:12:27] space folks as much as before. They're also involved in this part of Monday as well.
[2:12:36] And they would be able to be impacted. There's this went away.
[2:12:41] What's that?
[2:12:44] We've already just learned a number.
[2:12:47] You're number.
[2:12:48] Oh well, that's an episode.
[2:12:49] All right.
[2:12:55] This, the TACS got a little reserve and it will result in a permanent loss of revenue for the town services and the and the park park and recreation fund.
[2:13:04] That's the next.
[2:13:07] This is a lot of numbers, but this is where we came up with the, about the factual values of what the town will be using if the taxing groceries go away.
[2:13:21] The general revenue generated from tax on groceries in 2023 was $11 million.
[2:13:29] The analysis was completed by a week compared Douglas County sales tax returns with the town of
[2:13:34] Parkour sales tax returns.
[2:13:36] The difference in the tax base between these two entities of some Douglas County is
[2:13:40] brochure.
[2:13:41] So we backed into getting the sales tax, the taxable sales.
[2:13:46] to analyze 62 stores, we went all the way from Costco, to consumers,
[2:13:51] all the way down to the 7-11, New South milk at the grocery type items.
[2:13:56] We analyzed 62 retailers, month-long bonds for the year 2020, 2021, 2022, and 23 in order to get a trend.
[2:14:03] So that's where the $13.2 million pins in with the 3% to 1.5% of that,
[2:14:09] that is taxable value, is the $11 million dollars.
[2:14:14] The
[2:14:21] average amount of grocery, the tax on groceries, average 13.6% that's all general fun revenue.
[2:14:30] And the estimated loss for $20-25 is $11.7 million. We use that based on the projected in
[2:14:38] $20-144 budget and we projected up to 4% the 4% revenue increase. It's just an estimate.
[2:14:46] So it's estimated loss of revenue was $11.7 million in 2025 and we then went from $20.6 to $20.35
[2:14:58] and the estimated...
[2:15:00] Those tax revenue there, you can see is $143 million, and when we tapered it down, they did not use 4% projection. I tapered it down to 1% and not knowing the future. It down into through 2020, 2050. And the full amount between that period of 2036 to 2050 is $2993 million.
[2:15:26] So we did this before.
[2:15:28] We did this before.
[2:15:28] It is in the packet, and it is in the packet, and it is in the packet.
[2:15:35] It's for evolution.
[2:15:36] Yeah, but either choice.
[2:15:38] Yeah.
[2:15:41] Same analysis was done.
[2:15:43] We just use the same numbers.
[2:15:44] And by the house into it for acceleration.
[2:15:47] You'll see in 2020 free to point two million dollars.
[2:15:50] is the actual tax and grocery that came into the Parks and Recreation Fund
[2:15:56] again using the exact same analysis. And it is 15.80% of all of the Parks and Recreation
[2:16:03] revenue that comes in. Or maybe 2025 projected plus would be
[2:16:16] I don't know if that one we made it on here.
[2:16:19] Yep, $2.3 million.
[2:16:21] And the $20, 26, they're $23.5.
[2:16:24] This is $20, and this is $20, $26, $20, $250 is $25.8 million.
[2:16:33] I don't know if that one made it on here.
[2:16:34] Yep, $23 million.
[2:16:40] And the $20, $26, $23, $26, $250 is
[2:16:49] $25.8 million.
[2:16:53] The unplanned tax cut of the proposed ordinance is not completely replacement revenue for
[2:16:57] council services and the purchasing rate tuition fund.
[2:17:01] The two primary sources are tax resources in these two funds is sales tax.
[2:17:09] Property tax in 2023 was $2.7 million or $113 per resident for a single family resident.
[2:17:17] And yes,
[2:17:23] it's a bit exciting.
[2:17:25] So we take a comparison of all of,
[2:17:28] we took every single city town in the state of Colorado,
[2:17:33] made a comparison.
[2:17:35] We compared it with the clicks,
[2:17:36] Max, who doesn't collect taxes on grocery,
[2:17:38] we look at the different mill levies and the sales tax rate,
[2:17:44] just a bargain comparison.
[2:17:46] That's what this exhibit is.
[2:17:50] and we sorted it by population.
[2:17:55] The town has, if you can see here, the town has one of the
[2:17:57] lowest municipalities property tax rates in the area. Is it $50? This is the top 50
[2:18:06] quality of this college. So we have a mall. We don't, we now realize all of them, but these are
[2:18:12] the top 50 that I made it today. If we were to increase property tax revenue in order to fill the
[2:18:20] up the tax on grocery, then Mill-Levy would go from 2.6.0 to 6.2.6.0 to 12.3.3 or 3.
[2:18:31] Mill's, I'm not interested. Sorry, let me recay that. 2.6.0 to Mill's to 12.3 or 3.0.
[2:18:39] So that would be a very large increase and it would shoulder all on town residents because it would have to be properties in the town.
[2:18:46] And that would have to go to the boat of people.
[2:18:48] So I just, I sort of had, I mean, I read that and I understand based on, that's a very
[2:18:55] absolute number.
[2:18:57] Is that based on 2020-23 numbers and just, you know, I mean, we're just assuming that
[2:19:05] average.
[2:19:06] I took the 2020, the budgeted revenue of the $2.7 million, and then I added the gap that the
[2:19:15] text on grocery would create, do you get a total that I was going to get to?
[2:19:19] But you were in use in what years now?
[2:19:21] What are you talking about?
[2:19:23] So, make some clarification.
[2:19:25] Because again, I try to go off actuals because I'm here.
[2:19:31] But I mean, I use a reason for traditions.
[2:19:34] I just want to make sure that for context, if somebody leaves this, you know, based on
[2:19:39] 2020-3 numbers.
[2:19:40] And then I took the certification that was counted from the mill certification that the time
[2:19:46] receives and filled the gap in place into the top.
[2:19:53] The same analysis was done.
[2:19:57] If the gap was to be filled by sales tax,
[2:20:00] I took the sales tax, the grand total sales tax,
[2:20:07] And then to get to the same revenue that we're at today in budgeted revenue, the Bells tax increase would be 3.
[2:20:15] It would total 3.7% so it was 0.7% increase.
[2:20:20] And that would, again, have to be to both of the residents.
[2:20:26] We can have this slide, and again, I should sort of be partnered.
[2:20:31] Yeah.
[2:20:31] Just so that happens.
[2:20:35] That's good.
[2:20:42] So item number 10, as a comparison of tax and groceries to other cities and towns.
[2:20:47] And this section builds off of the exhibits, being an F, to a large extent, just a little bit more context.
[2:20:55] They can then want to help park her.
[2:20:58] who have lived some pair of due experience palaces.
[2:21:02] So according to the current Department of Local Affairs,
[2:21:06] there are two hundred seventy three municipalities
[2:21:08] in Colorado, under two or home wall,
[2:21:12] under seventy one or statutory percentage of municipalities.
[2:21:15] They collected tax on groceries,
[2:21:17] and 64% of all those two in the 73,
[2:21:20] a total of 174 municipalities in all
[2:21:23] collecting grocery tax, however,
[2:21:26] of the home-ruled municipalities, 75% collect sales tax on groceries, 1276, and 57% and 98%
[2:21:36] total statutory cities and towns collect the tax in groceries. On Exhibit F, we don't have
[2:21:43] the fall list here, but it isn't the packet. Here is the summary of the top of Exhibit
[2:21:50] of just greater than a year of quick education.
[2:21:54] In case you're wondering,
[2:21:54] whether it is Georgetown and they have a editorial chart.
[2:21:59] You have two points for it.
[2:22:00] It's although there's eight.
[2:22:04] But they also assess the sales tax on groceries.
[2:22:08] Territorial chart here or not.
[2:22:13] Section B,
[2:22:15] the tax about statutory towns,
[2:22:17] this is hung only in the spally,
[2:22:18] partners, of course, the honoring and the
[2:22:20] sub-allions state constitution, which means we have
[2:22:23] a full-ride of self-governments over our own affairs
[2:22:28] and the implementation and the building.
[2:22:30] Just generate revenue and collector on sales tax, now those good things.
[2:22:35] For those of you that's probably the don't have a sales tax on groceries, they a lot of times
[2:22:39] will offset that lack of collection with other taxes.
[2:22:44] For example, city of Aurora, just in the north of us, they have sales tax of $1.53%,
[2:22:50] they have a separate tax on marijuana.
[2:22:52] In the forecast, there is 24 marijuana stores, generating about $11 million in revenue a year from
[2:22:58] was 20% in ERC's named 24 stores.
[2:23:01] 8.300% sales tax on marijuana.
[2:23:04] There's an occupational privilege tax.
[2:23:06] I head taxed with the city where we're also
[2:23:08] collects that's paid by both the employee
[2:23:11] and the employer each month.
[2:23:14] And then a much higher property, tax, mill,
[2:23:16] levied at 8.407 miles.
[2:23:20] So Aurora is just one example, but there's any number of cities
[2:23:27] You look at no doubt there are some that have a lower total tax burden than us, but not many.
[2:23:34] You'll find a whole myriad of creative taxation and fee-based structures out there.
[2:23:42] But we are quite on the lower side. Again, with the 2.602 mills in the 3% total sales tax.
[2:23:50] These attachments in the Exhibits ENF are just to give you that context once again.
[2:23:56] Going on to item number 11 here, the 5% restricted sales tax, of course goes again to our
[2:24:03] public, our parsing elect folks, but section 11 is kind of more building on and giving
[2:24:08] details to section 7 that we cover above going to exhibit to be in C again, we've collected
[2:24:15] that half-cent sales tax in July of 1990 as approved by the Bovers of the town.
[2:24:21] We have collected over $135 million from that .5% sales tax since 1990 and you saw earlier
[2:24:30] the other sense of whistings that it's B and C of what that money has gone toward.
[2:24:37] So just as a reminder, they can be used to pay for acquisition of park land, the other permanent
[2:24:42] charging and reduction programs and facilities, operations and maintenance and charging
[2:24:45] programs and facilities and that service and bonds, another job obligations to a part of
[2:24:50] in this case, development margin or facilities.
[2:24:54] In session D, you'll see a handful of called out big,
[2:24:58] high profile projects have been used
[2:24:59] that have been built using this half percent sales tax.
[2:25:04] The idea of being the town has been a pretty good
[2:25:05] steward and leveraging that money into belts
[2:25:08] and really cool high profile things
[2:25:10] were residents and been enjoyed
[2:25:12] for many, many years.
[2:25:14] And I should use that as pretty much the same thing.
[2:25:18] and a section after their future projects may be in the course of the next
[2:25:23] of its scene as that sales tax and motion support has been made.
[2:25:28] The section 12 talks about how the account has historically offered financial incentives to
[2:25:35] attract and get forward through stores throughout the town of Parker. Just historically,
[2:25:41] the first program that was put in place was put in place in July 17, 1989. It was the
[2:25:47] a step program which stands for enhanced sales tax incentive program.
[2:25:53] It's purpose was to attract new businesses. Again, sharing back sales tax that is generated by that business.
[2:26:01] It did include tax on groceries.
[2:26:04] With the owner and they were required that shareback was because they were putting in public improvements such as streets,
[2:26:11] heard scutters, sidewalks, anything needed for that new business from an infrastructure standpoint.
[2:26:18] On December 14th, 2009 council replaced the S.D. program with the tax and media systems program.
[2:26:25] The FAP. And that was a way to expand and attract a more diverse business,
[2:26:33] moving in Parker as a rooftop sort of coming when we wanted to make sure we were getting
[2:26:37] great retailers coming in to the town as well. It did include tax on groceries and for public improvements
[2:26:44] to support the new business but also employment opportunities coming in to the town.
[2:26:50] Based on the S tip and the tap program, which we like primarily on sharing that on grocery taxes,
[2:26:58] those projects included PASCO, super target King Super's in Cottonwood and King Super's in
[2:27:07] Most recently on February 5th, we did an amendment to the King's Point Retail LLC.
[2:27:13] That is our shopping center assistance program for the developer of the Whole Foods Project,
[2:27:19] which includes other retailers relying on the sales tax of the groceries for that project to be delivered.
[2:27:27] And it significantly was for the $3.2 million was significantly for including stabilizing the major drainage
[2:27:35] that runs across that property that is a regional drainage way, not just benefiting that property,
[2:27:42] sidewalk, traffic, signal. And the whole food project may not be coming if it wasn't for
[2:27:48] ability to incentivize that project. Going forward, the cutting of the grocery taxes,
[2:27:54] what'll eliminate our ability to track other groceries in town, there's two sites specifically that
[2:28:00] are looking at potentially moving to the west side of the post shopping center in the new area
[2:28:07] one strand cell is connected through as well as chest and pain.
[2:28:12] Just chambers. Sorry. I'm not going to grab her down the chest with intersection. Sorry.
[2:28:21] I do want to say this is all these programs. Just focus on the 2.5% of the sales tax, the
[2:28:28] That was restricted from parks and racks was not part of any incentive package.
[2:28:34] So it was an extra benefit to park and rapid to be able to maintain that point.
[2:28:38] 5% that was restricted on the grocery tax, even if we were incentivizing.
[2:28:46] Frankly, most of our groceries that have.
[2:28:50] So last but not least, in terms of the recitals and cycled 13,
[2:28:54] If the purpose of the proposed ordinance is to provide tax relief to our alternatives to
[2:29:02] limiting the tax on groceries. For example, low income households, our eligible for food
[2:29:08] assistance, such as the federal supplement or nutrition assistance program. These folks are already
[2:29:14] exempt from paying grocery tax. The demographics of the town of Parker and the trade area that
[2:29:21] talked about reveal that most of the grocery tax is paid by those that do not qualify as low income.
[2:29:31] Instead of eliminating the grocery tax, it may be more cost effective to target tax relief,
[2:29:37] to low and moderate income households or rebates or similar mechanisms rather than the
[2:29:42] elimination of these grocery tax. And then finally, as part of our discussion later,
[2:29:49] There may be direction coming from town council for staff to look at other alternatives to limiting the grocery tax and providing relief for certain.
[2:30:00] Folks, such as income based or age based. So that really concludes at least our discussion on the resolution itself. I do know that Michelle has, let's be related to.
[2:30:14] So, and I can talk about it now, or we can go to the resolution.
[2:30:17] I mean, I'm just going to refer on something like that.
[2:30:24] So any cast like questions, comments or explanation on how we got to certain numbers
[2:30:31] having to maintain that in the time.
[2:30:34] Oh, yes, sir.
[2:30:35] All right.
[2:30:36] Pan.
[2:30:36] Yes.
[2:30:37] You go to my notes.
[2:30:42] Okay.
[2:30:43] So on the 34.2% that goes to public safety, can you dive in a little bit more on that?
[2:30:51] you dive into when we talk public safety, obviously when talking about our police department.
[2:30:57] But what does that mean?
[2:30:58] Can we just dive in a little bit into public safety?
[2:31:02] So, this calculation came from looking at 2023 actions.
[2:31:06] Again, that's my life.
[2:31:09] 34 per gig two percent.
[2:31:12] We love your life.
[2:31:13] Thank you.
[2:31:14] Thank you.
[2:31:15] So, 34 per gig two percent.
[2:31:17] It's the administration control investigations, it's the entire police department, and then we also include there's $2 million of the
[2:31:28] that $34.8% that those two, I think it's not $2 million. Those two building inspection, but they are 100% bonded through charges for services. So there are there is revenue. This is all the expenses in the general fund.
[2:31:44] There is other revenue that offset some of this, but not a lot of most of the police department is
[2:31:51] is funded by the TEL tax or other the property tax that comes in. So it's every single
[2:31:58] police department that we have. Please, please, the division got it. Okay, in the police department.
[2:32:04] So then, doing my math and I'm just going on my household here because we're a family of six.
[2:32:10] Of course, spending about $250 a week on groceries, which is about what we spend,
[2:32:16] times the 52 weeks divided by the 2.5%. I'm looking at an average household savings of
[2:32:23] $1300 a year. Is that accurate? Yes. If you look at the 2.5, and then you hope that it's
[2:32:29] 3% is what we're looking at for the person right piece. Yeah, yeah, it's under that figure.
[2:32:39] Okay,
[2:32:40] I don't know, my longest of the way to the world.
[2:32:45] I just wanted to write a clarification on, you know, what we're actually looking at here, average savings for household.
[2:32:51] I did like the things you brought to us of alternates of people.
[2:32:55] You know, of course I think about grandma and grandpa on a fixed income, but grandma and grandpa on a fixed income.
[2:32:59] I don't eat as much as my family of six does.
[2:33:01] So I like that you guys had some alternates for us.
[2:33:04] Thank you for that.
[2:33:05] Yeah, I'm not an account, so I'm not going to go into any numbers if you have.
[2:33:14] I'm just curious that we have these two resolutions here that later we'll do a headnotar.
[2:33:23] But I see yellow on E, I don't see all these numbers filled in.
[2:33:30] We're going to have that state non-residents, but that's the question, I mean, should either one of these resolutions go forward, would you be filling in those numbers?
[2:33:45] We are working on getting better data sources, but we had a sign on agreement and get that in place.
[2:33:51] I'm hoping to have that later this week, if not early next week, but it's just going to the process of getting that information to the contract.
[2:34:01] And that's for traffic patterns, the resident representative current.
[2:34:05] And then if we look at the USDA or the Bureau of Labor and Statistics, which is how we came up with the number of 2021 when we were going for this.
[2:34:16] If you look at the per her households, and then you say 2.8, sorry, we don't have 6 average.
[2:34:23] And per household, and then their average based on census information of what it grocery is.
[2:34:33] So there's there's two ways to get to the number of it, and it's an element estimate.
[2:34:37] But it's between, we're estimating between 45 to 55% is can swing either way if it's different, so we were trying to get a different difference.
[2:34:51] Different way to look at it based on traffic patterns. You have the numbers based on USDA and your labor expenses, but now we're looking at traffic patterns to kind of pull in the final piece.
[2:35:03] So eventually this, and this is a question for our town manager, those numbers would be filled in, and this would call before us again. Is that correct? Yes.
[2:35:16] Okay, and that's another discussion.
[2:35:18] Well, that's a discussion for council on good direction you guys decide to get us in terms of what you want to do with the resolutions.
[2:35:27] because to clarify my previous comment to Mr. Maloney, the issue already existed in the
[2:35:35] ethics policy, it was simply a tenant in the clarification that body language should be added,
[2:35:41] which does not require counsel to review that. On this on the other hand, we have yellow on this page,
[2:35:49] number is not here. And tonight we're being asked to consider two resolutions to go forward
[2:36:01] with blanks on the numbers. Well it's whatever you guys decide to do in terms of the direction
[2:36:08] to us whether you want to come back in another study session and discuss again whether you want to
[2:36:13] in to what a council meeting in April. We have two different meetings in April or you know it's
[2:36:21] we're bringing this to you all for this session and then we're seeking direction from you all
[2:36:26] on what the next steps on. Thank you, Michelle.
[2:36:31] And we would never bring a document to a council meeting
[2:36:36] for approval without having all of it in there. We never bring anything to the
[2:36:42] Thank you for explaining how the process will continue.
[2:36:48] The numbers will be filled in.
[2:36:52] Yes.
[2:36:52] Anything else?
[2:36:56] I think that's two and three minutes.
[2:37:00] The most part of my question is, how would this affect our test service?
[2:37:04] How does this change in our revenue?
[2:37:07] Or possibly change in our revenue effect?
[2:37:10] You know, what our credit reading is.
[2:37:11] but I'm not ready to do that.
[2:37:14] I'm ready to do that.
[2:37:16] Yeah, all of that.
[2:37:17] How is that?
[2:37:17] Is that an exploreage?
[2:37:19] Should that be explored?
[2:37:20] Going to be detrimental to us.
[2:37:22] If we lose this brevity source,
[2:37:23] we're going to have an assessor build later on.
[2:37:27] You know, and we're going to have to go back to the world of finance instead of seeing.
[2:37:30] Any cash, like we've been trying to do isn't supposed to know that. And then we would then have a less rating and it would cost us more money to make money.
[2:37:38] Less revenue and higher expenses pretty much.
[2:37:41] Or same expenses, but you know, we all know, expenses are going up. They're already going up faster than the revenue percentages that we're getting now.
[2:37:50] Will create and they do with the S&P ratings for each.
[2:37:53] Okay, is there a factual statement that could be compiled and put into this resolution, this resolution?
[2:38:00] Oh, I can look at it. I just know when we went through the ads and key rating before, they looked at our financials.
[2:38:05] They looked at future revenue. They looked at what that we're going for and why it typically wouldn't want to go for a 30 year debt for operational expenses.
[2:38:15] because that doesn't work that way and the line of the finance of getting that, okay, you're
[2:38:22] mostly going. So things would have to be shifted revenue would have to would still be coming in
[2:38:31] at the lower rate, but there would be a gap between revenue and expenses. We would be working at
[2:38:39] a loss, if there wasn't any impact, it would have to replace the relevant.
[2:38:44] That might be the ongoing scope of this resolution.
[2:38:46] Yeah.
[2:38:46] We're getting agency involved in the application.
[2:38:50] I have a fairly clear question.
[2:38:52] Okay.
[2:38:53] Okay.
[2:38:53] We do have some residential advisors.
[2:38:56] I couldn't see a way to make it.
[2:38:58] You guys already thought about it or not.
[2:39:01] I don't know.
[2:39:02] There would actually affect the rating.
[2:39:03] I think it's more going to affect the ability to raise the same amount of
[2:39:08] I don't know if I need one of the action of the grocery tax.
[2:39:13] Well, I need that.
[2:39:14] We'll take a million.
[2:39:15] This is the case on the side of the store and on roofs, the captions.
[2:39:20] Yeah.
[2:39:21] So that's actually a grocery system.
[2:39:22] I mean, the ability to repay the debt would be hindered too.
[2:39:29] So I will reach out to our financial advice.
[2:39:31] Do you have a financial advice?
[2:39:32] So second, my thing is, is section five, if you will, the gross revenue income, you know, or revenue income of $67 billion, we've already seen the fund of questions from citizens.
[2:39:48] If your budget is $270 million, if your budget is $300 million, because everybody's factored in their carryover. So this carryover has already been income at one point and just bringing the budget.
[2:39:58] And these projects get built out and kind of talked about that last week when we met us in the big room.
[2:40:05] So I just wonder if there's a way to highlight the fact that our income to this community is what we're looking at.
[2:40:14] This is what we're concerned with.
[2:40:15] Not money that we have set aside for projects or the money that we have doing things that are sitting in the bank.
[2:40:22] But and I know how we do that and I don't know how we make that biggest think of that biggest misconception.
[2:40:26] even though our wonderful thing that went out to educate people about the budget in our
[2:40:31] thought of the town is still have the gross number of $27 billion. And so that can be confusing
[2:40:36] for people because they're looking at that as 1.5% and people are very fully doing the math,
[2:40:41] and I'm like, well, this is a big of a number, but that's the issue. The issue is that our income is
[2:40:46] only $67 million. And you take $11 or $13 million of $67 is a huge number when you take $11
[2:40:53] and particularly in other such carryover,
[2:40:55] so everything else added together,
[2:40:56] it's a tiny number.
[2:40:57] So how do we make that number more fun?
[2:41:01] I guess that's not a question of the council.
[2:41:03] And should that never be more prevalent?
[2:41:04] Because of this information out there is tact on this.
[2:41:06] This carryover inclusive number.
[2:41:08] All right, I agree with that.
[2:41:09] I mean, on the website, we talk about one percent
[2:41:12] of a two and a eight six million dollars
[2:41:14] which is not true.
[2:41:15] And I'm not going to blame anybody.
[2:41:16] Maybe there's somebody who's a false expression
[2:41:18] and they know that, but the average says,
[2:41:20] they know that.
[2:41:21] They see our budget.
[2:41:22] they see our open budget and it says this because everything's included in it.
[2:41:26] So I just wonder how we can get out there and say that, you know, if there could be a statement
[2:41:30] in here that says this town functions on an income base of X, you know, and then it does kind
[2:41:36] of say that, but actually how do we better clarify that? So, and then lastly, this one's, you
[2:41:44] know, touchy subject, but you know, for me, believe her not as a physical conservative,
[2:41:49] I look at sales tax as an elective tax.
[2:41:53] This is not something you're forced to pay as with property tax or the head tax or
[2:41:58] a mink of tax or whatever, you can shop.
[2:42:01] You can make a decision on where you want to go.
[2:42:03] And I wonder if there's a section in here or a line in here that we can simply
[2:42:08] state that this is an elective tax.
[2:42:12] Because if there is a conservative tax, it would be a sales tax,
[2:42:17] because it allows the citizen or the person
[2:42:20] to make their decision on where they want to spend money.
[2:42:23] You can't do that with the proper tax.
[2:42:25] You can't do that with your income tax.
[2:42:26] You can't do that with your master license plate tax.
[2:42:29] The elective tax allows still for choice by the citizen.
[2:42:33] And I think that's an important thing.
[2:42:34] I believe that when you go back and talk to the founders
[2:42:37] of this community, that was an important belief
[2:42:39] but then too.
[2:42:40] And I wonder if we can find out and Jim,
[2:42:43] I don't know if you remember from back on the day,
[2:42:44] But we set up this community of sales tax for a reason,
[2:42:48] and not a middle-lead, yeah.
[2:42:52] Together in large, large, large groups,
[2:42:54] excuse me, a partner was isolated in other communities.
[2:42:57] So they only placed a shop in the trade area,
[2:43:00] and it was a partner.
[2:43:01] And so how do you generate what that's
[2:43:03] where I'm able to place the environment where we tax groceries?
[2:43:07] That's definitely a case for a lot of people coming from the East,
[2:43:12] and the Southeast, that partner is the place
[2:43:15] And I don't know if it's appropriate council.
[2:43:18] It's statement in this resolution.
[2:43:20] It's a factual resolution.
[2:43:22] But actually, those taxes are like to.
[2:43:24] Versus mandatory.
[2:43:26] Well, let's see.
[2:43:27] I mean, I guess that that's a question.
[2:43:29] I do want to do with something like that.
[2:43:31] He's a resolution.
[2:43:34] I think I think.
[2:43:36] Yes.
[2:43:39] I will.
[2:43:39] I will.
[2:43:40] Thank you.
[2:43:42] Thank you.
[2:43:43] I think I want to make it crystal clear so that there isn't room for interpretation and it's not this is what council saying
[2:43:50] versus this is what other people are saying it's crystal clear these are what the numbers are.
[2:43:55] So just not just not.
[2:43:57] If you're willing to.
[2:44:00] Not willing to charge.
[2:44:02] Sorry.
[2:44:04] That's fine.
[2:44:04] That's fine.
[2:44:06] But we're going to have a deal with them, but we're going to bring these down.
[2:44:12] What?
[2:44:17] I just really feel like if it's truly tax relief that this is after, but unintending consequences
[2:44:28] this is going to create. If we do need to make up this laws with a property tax or additional
[2:44:40] million of these, how catastrophic is this way to be or are already very expensive town
[2:44:50] solid and for home ownership? I mean, the property tax, everybody's feeling that, you know, with
[2:44:57] If everybody's property taxing has gone, it's significant.
[2:45:00] And if this has to get tacked onto that, again, I think it's going to be devastating to the people that are already known in Parker.
[2:45:14] We've got to make up this last somewhere.
[2:45:18] Do you think that this could the financial incentives that we are offering, for example, for a couple of foods?
[2:45:26] Could they potentially pull out?
[2:45:33] Mm-hmm.
[2:45:34] Yeah, I think good.
[2:45:35] I mean, and we're thinking about these were not just full foods or just it's the whole shopping area.
[2:45:41] It's just not the grocery store that you're impacting you're impacting all the neighborhood commercial to support all the nuances that surround grocery stores without an anchor.
[2:45:52] those don't get built. The grocery is the anchor that attracts the rest of the
[2:45:57] really good retailers that you have. Both foods can pull out. If there's nothing,
[2:46:02] we find it instead of a gray mat now, there's nothing to do with that.
[2:46:07] That we can't pay back then when they get one of that, they just started doing
[2:46:14] grading and showing up that greener way. So yeah, they can.
[2:46:19] So not only will this be a material loss that's that's a real number today that we that we have.
[2:46:29] The future that we can know that is could just be like food gone.
[2:46:36] And I think there are so many people that are trying to about that.
[2:46:39] Or because I think that would be just a scary thought.
[2:46:42] It is the number one retailer that these citizens have asked for since I've worked for them to come to Burger.
[2:46:52] It's just not.
[2:46:53] All right.
[2:46:53] It's just not all because it's all the girls.
[2:46:55] Right.
[2:46:55] We got busiest passcode.
[2:46:57] That's all we put in the game.
[2:46:58] The state.
[2:46:59] We've got one of the busiest king supers in the state.
[2:47:03] We've got one of the busiest king supers in the state.
[2:47:05] We've got three of the busiest.
[2:47:08] Because I know that's one of the reasons they granted the full liquor license to the
[2:47:14] And that one is what for us more from the surrounding.
[2:47:19] And in fact at the Arapoh and Parker's story,
[2:47:22] they lost the history of people.
[2:47:23] They're doing from the north down to the continent.
[2:47:27] Yeah, that's what we looked at the cumulative number because it's not 13 or 14 a year.
[2:47:31] It's 13 or 14 million every year.
[2:47:35] And that's why I run it.
[2:47:36] But in, for example, 2036 or 2035,
[2:47:39] That would be $279 million.
[2:47:42] And that was the semi, one percent.
[2:47:44] I'm glad you're glad you're glad you're glad you're glad.
[2:47:47] Yeah, I deeper into it down.
[2:47:48] Good.
[2:47:48] One percent throughout the years.
[2:47:52] And as it relates to cottonwood cane supers was not interested in tearing down that
[2:47:56] and making soar and redeveloping it unless the town was well
[2:48:01] and from the urban renewal and the town.
[2:48:04] That's been perfect.
[2:48:05] And that's how we got that then.
[2:48:08] And the sharebacks are only reimbursements of sales tax collected.
[2:48:14] So if they don't perform sales tax, then they don't get anything back.
[2:48:19] So it's not out of any other revenue source.
[2:48:22] It's 100% based on the sales tax that's written into the town.
[2:48:30] All right.
[2:48:30] Thank you.
[2:48:32] Yeah.
[2:48:32] I mean, I think you and Josh kind of touched on feedback, future impacts.
[2:48:37] I don't think part of why it's a decision at this point, kind of address them, and I think
[2:48:43] I think there's some in here, but broad brush, but in terms of the Parliament, I guess,
[2:48:51] bravely, how it impacts certain departments, I think that you had to go through the process
[2:48:57] to truly identify that, what would that process be to talk about, to take too much of
[2:49:03] you didn't want through that in the time lines of student. Well, the intention could have something like that.
[2:49:10] So, there's a couple of different things. Everyone is, you know, every year in June to lie,
[2:49:16] we do the update at 2 to 10-year financial plan. So we'll have the new finance director coming
[2:49:23] on the way to the public way. And Chris and she'll get to use a lot of things on that with
[2:49:28] departments and we're on the listing on the 10-year plan. It would be my recommendation to do two
[2:49:37] plans and have one assuming how we are right now and then one with the 10-year plan assuming that
[2:49:50] having the 10-year plan without the grocery tax sales tax. And so that would be kicking
[2:49:57] not pretty soon here. And then same thing with the budget. Now, with regards to the impact in the apartments, as we're on the doesn't get us to shut it, we know what that percentage is that that's the department. So we know what percentage for each department is funded for ourselves, actually, we're all we know that percentage of that would be the grocery talk.
[2:50:20] Yeah, it would be a policy discussion of council in terms of the door that seems to have in terms of how we take the approach of what the impact is to the departments.
[2:50:35] Part of the direction we're giving protection recommendations off of the policy direction we receive the council.
[2:50:42] So I would say that in order for me to go back to the departments and say, you need to reduce your budgets with the assumption of the grocery tax petition going through.
[2:50:56] If you put on the ballot in the impact in 2020, but it's to get that direction from counsel saying, okay, you know, that's 14% on all these different departments is it taking up 14% or is it saying, okay, we're going to impact this department more.
[2:51:12] and this could permit us that we would need policy direction from cows in what are approach
[2:51:17] to be to make those adjustments. Now, with the tenure plan, that's on cheesier because that's
[2:51:23] a reduction whole new line and flows through. In terms of the suit budgets, I would recommend
[2:51:30] doing that. That's what long-treated this past November. They went up to, you know, by November,
[2:51:36] you need to know what your budget's going to be or a periodary by that. It has to work with
[2:51:40] there is usually in second quarter, but to have two budgets running forward so that we know what
[2:51:48] we're going to be approving kind of emperor after, you know, that makes it unvalid to be not too
[2:51:53] budget. So obviously too, with the new financial director, we're going to be looking at a different
[2:51:59] budget process and have a lot more communication with the departments and with you all and
[2:52:05] to work on that. So that helped to the extent of, yeah, I mean, it's kind of wanted to
[2:52:10] for content kind of know at one point what you potentially have more direct
[2:52:16] of attention impacts, I think, just, you know, people are asked whether people are assuming
[2:52:21] or you know, it's going to impact, it's not going to impact certain departments.
[2:52:27] It's, it's a great challenging.
[2:52:30] To have a discussion on that, as an elected person, it didn't be very challenging to me individually. To have a conversation and say yes or no, to any of that until until we have that. So I think this will be happening, again, the back base.
[2:52:49] And as long as we can demonstrate the process to my input out there, I think it creates context on what we're really talking about.
[2:52:57] You know, I think the next steps are going to be, you know, based off on the larger percentage, people are going to want to know how to send it back to me and I have some questions and I don't think it's responsible for the ask you at this point in time, but I think that's when it comes.
[2:53:17] Yeah, I mean, and that's that's part of that too, as you know, it is March and we don't
[2:53:23] usually start our budget process yet. We know what that dollar amount is that could be
[2:53:29] the biggest, I mean, 14% of the labels that it actually would all earn out, that's what it is.
[2:53:35] But where we take those funds from, yeah, it's going to hurt. And so it needs to be very
[2:53:42] the process and having those discussions with you all, and the department, also, because there is that morality and students have to take these courage and what's not.
[2:53:54] Thank you.
[2:53:54] Yeah, I would say there's been a lot of talk about how departments are impacted or could be impacted.
[2:54:00] I should say, but it gets her not that point that there's things we need to address, but definitely something to say.
[2:54:05] And as far as the resolution though,
[2:54:09] I do agree that carry over is a little more information
[2:54:11] to explain to the public because that's
[2:54:14] great confusing some.
[2:54:16] And then maybe more emphasis on incentives
[2:54:19] on people who want certain businesses here
[2:54:22] and what we do to collect revenue is important for that process.
[2:54:29] And then,
[2:54:32] so it's 13 million in revenue
[2:54:35] for the whole 3% sales tax is getting parking right right and then but it's only 11, there's 11 million
[2:54:41] for the tune after sound. Okay, so that's not quite real solution related but the committee says
[2:54:51] it's just 3 million here. Do we know where they got that number come to and do any data this
[2:54:57] For example, I don't know what the answer is.
[2:55:08] But it's incredible.
[2:55:10] We're trying to just provide the information.
[2:55:12] All right.
[2:55:13] There might be some information out there.
[2:55:16] I mean, we're just trying to create.
[2:55:19] As best as we can.
[2:55:20] Here's what we have.
[2:55:22] I don't know if we know everything about.
[2:55:27] with people are saying, I mean, it just, it'd be a very challenging to try to, I mean,
[2:55:34] with this information, people can look at it, maybe disagree on a approach or disagree
[2:55:39] on how we, how we thought they're. But this is, we're just trying to buy the information on
[2:55:46] So people can have, and what they do with it is, I think, they can agree, they disagree.
[2:55:57] I don't agree.
[2:56:01] So for me, the only thing kind of getting back to me, I think, Josh, the general fund again,
[2:56:10] looking at our budget, you know, I think Josh's, Josh's question about
[2:56:15] about the big numbers of open budget carry-overs, go to the fun method, the fun accounting
[2:56:24] method of how governmental entities operate. It's just different than everybody. I mean,
[2:56:32] if out there, if you're doing feet to coffee, and you have $270 million dollars of revenue,
[2:56:39] you can probably use that however you want. And, unfortunately, in our case, we're fortunate
[2:56:46] It's restrictive, unrestricted, it's one time, it's ongoing, and that's one of those things.
[2:56:55] You have to understand the funding, probably, kind of understand the most large numbers.
[2:56:59] But you've got to put aside those larger numbers and go to the general fund page 38 or 2024 annual budget, which in case it's the main operating fund of the town operations.
[2:57:11] So, I have a question on page level, on your site,
[2:57:17] I have option 2, so that's sad.
[2:57:21] So, tax on groceries average 13.6% general fund for years 2021, 2021, 2021, 2021.
[2:57:29] Looking at the general fund, even though it's sudden, I mean, it gets the towns
[2:57:35] in operating sales tax property tax other taxes for 2024 or about 65 million. The total revenue
[2:57:43] was about 81 million. I'm sorry, where are you at? I'm on seven or eight. I'm on
[2:57:52] one, I'm on one, I'm on one, I'm on one, I'm on one, I'm on one, I'm on one, I'm on one, I'm on one,
[2:57:54] the elimination of tax on the grocery is a tax good one, so I'm going to encourage you to
[2:57:59] I mean it's kind of dictate.
[2:58:02] How do you rate ifans on which risk is it?
[2:58:03] I think you need to get far,
[2:58:05] when you put them in case you'rema go home.
[2:58:08] Yeah, I mean, I mean, you're gonna get it again.
[2:58:11] It's gonna have to be a me thing, but it average 13.6 is general fund.
[2:58:16] So, tax on university average 13.6 is general fund revenue.
[2:58:21] I mean, I mean, I look at the general fund.
[2:58:24] I mean, that sort of operations fund,
[2:58:26] but sales property and other taxes are the most unrestricted,
[2:58:32] the most discretionary, if you know.
[2:58:35] So if you think so, I can find ways your tax,
[2:58:37] your own bridge, shitter pack,
[2:58:39] those really aren't unrestricted,
[2:58:42] or those are, you have to use those
[2:58:44] for specific requirements.
[2:58:48] We just be doing percentage of sales tax,
[2:58:52] percentage of grocery tax to sales tax,
[2:58:55] percentage of grocery tax to total tax or might just creating an alphabet
[2:59:01] student here and with this question.
[2:59:03] The exhibit is 19.1, if you averaged the three, I'd never just went
[2:59:07] 22 and 23 because it's 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, 20, so 19.1% is where it's the taxable, it's
[2:59:23] the number average between the three years of jet sales tax. 13.6 is a false and real
[2:59:32] time revenue. Okay. Okay. I think that's, I mean, I think that's, that's all I
[2:59:41] have. So to me, I think, oh, Brandy, have another question. Well, we're kind of, you're, you're
[2:59:48] on it and Josh touched on it and it's about the, you know, what looks like a huge,
[2:59:54] overcarried from one year to the other, but it's really like an emergency fun and a savings and
[2:59:59] allocated and...
[3:00:00] You know, the research did, and I just want to get clarifications, so that people don't look at a surplus and think that it's just extra money lying around. I want to get very clear on what those funds are allocated for and what they can and can't be used for.
[3:00:13] In the resolution, are you asking me that in general?
[3:00:15] I'm following, but I think she's after two is the other two hundred million, the restrictive
[3:00:23] folks.
[3:00:24] Yeah, this is how do we let folks know that those monies have already been rather, they've
[3:00:29] already been in, well, or they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're, they're
[3:00:32] are.
[3:00:33] Right, I just want clarification with us, and it's not often I sometimes, so that's
[3:00:36] awesome.
[3:00:38] I'm following.
[3:00:40] Well, it's different.
[3:00:42] No, I mean, to me, you know, I think the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the
[3:00:45] some groceries is a, is an ongoing revenue stream that funds the average 10.
[3:00:51] You know, that goes to the process and that's largely salaries and purchase services.
[3:00:58] We do have some capital funds or capital that comes through there.
[3:01:03] Do we contribute to the vehicle fund from the general fund?
[3:01:11] Yes.
[3:01:11] for the plate replacement? Yeah. So that buys police cars.
[3:01:15] Yes. Very nice. Yeah. So yeah. I mean, we, we, that's, and again, when, when we start
[3:01:20] growing, that, that big number goes away because we don't get any of that money for the developers
[3:01:29] to help us pay for, pay for things, for road infrastructure. Yeah. Road reconstruction is on us
[3:01:37] at least today. No one must get us money to reconstruct or roast because that's a maintenance
[3:01:45] issue largely. So one of those developer funds, a lot of the, I mean, thought of
[3:01:51] scouting, part of it then went dry and settled, great partners. Projects like that, in order
[3:01:58] to get our allocations not to come from exercise tax, which is a growth tax. That's for one time
[3:02:05] projects is going to have to come from marching savings from the jails.
[3:02:12] And yes, I understand that I just want to make sure that the general public that doesn't
[3:02:17] see our budget date and then date, I understand that.
[3:02:20] I mean, there's the pie charts that were in last week's presentation that can, instead
[3:02:27] of just lifting, I mean, the numbers out and then show the pie charts as an exhibit.
[3:02:31] I don't know, or if there's just a definition of, like, hey, this excess money that is allocating already for x, y and z or something like that, just a very general.
[3:02:39] I'm sorry.
[3:02:41] No, you're good.
[3:02:41] I think the picture could be interesting.
[3:02:43] It's easy.
[3:02:44] It's a story.
[3:02:45] Yeah.
[3:02:45] You think that's the best?
[3:02:46] I don't know.
[3:02:47] The mechanism.
[3:02:48] I just want to clear on.
[3:02:50] What we shouldn't read.
[3:02:51] Nobody's going to read all of it.
[3:02:52] That is the joke.
[3:02:54] Just focus on the joke.
[3:02:56] That's what we have.
[3:02:57] I mean, that's really the essence of what we're saying.
[3:03:00] I know, I know, we know that in the six of us here are aware of that.
[3:03:04] I'm just trying to get the information out there to the sense that it's a victim.
[3:03:08] This is what we got.
[3:03:09] This is what we got.
[3:03:10] This is what we got.
[3:03:11] Great.
[3:03:11] But we can add that to that.
[3:03:13] That's right.
[3:03:13] Yeah.
[3:03:14] Yeah.
[3:03:14] This gets 11 to 12 pages with.
[3:03:18] Exactly.
[3:03:19] So we.
[3:03:21] There's a great point.
[3:03:22] We are currently working on.
[3:03:24] Exactly.
[3:03:25] What you're talking about explaining.
[3:03:26] I mean, some of the copyrights explaining the general fund or checking account for the
[3:03:32] imperfect, but the best metaphor we have versus all or nongeneral funds, which are kind of
[3:03:36] our safety signals. Again, it's not perfect, but that's not what it is. We are comparing
[3:03:42] some accessible documentation online and in print, so people can understand better and what
[3:03:50] what we're all these different funds go because the government accounting is really weird
[3:03:54] So that is coming shortly.
[3:03:58] That's up to you all of course, but I don't know if that's fit in the resolution, as you said, it's already 12 something pages.
[3:04:05] But there are some more user-friendly colorful.
[3:04:08] Some of the learning phase that will become clearer shortly.
[3:04:15] So I guess we have should we go move forward with this resolution.
[3:04:22] or a resolution at a future day to show men and then which resolution should so let's talk about
[3:04:34] which resolution it's going to be a resolution I think one which is opposition and two which is just
[3:04:44] Yeah, I heard you, well, I had
[3:04:51] changed. I was in favor of the opposition resolution.
[3:04:56] But I believe that we just need to state the facts, because this is a,
[3:05:04] there is anything to go against has to proceed. Yeah, this is just an opportunity to help our citizens better understand their budget and their revenue
[3:05:14] And so I am leading towards just a defactual resolution to help the citizens better understand how they're taught term operates.
[3:05:23] If a later date we need to have a decision resolution as a counsel that would be happy to entertain something like that.
[3:05:31] But at this point, I believe that we are better off in just having a factual resolution to state what it is our budget is.
[3:05:38] process. Can you tell me why you know the change of
[3:05:43] heart? Because the opposition and because that you
[3:05:47] were pretty. I know I was. I thought about it all at the
[3:05:50] screenbreak and and if we come out in my opinion, whether
[3:05:56] or not we agree with what people are doing, whether or not
[3:06:00] we trust that it's a factual statement between now that the
[3:06:03] council takes a position in opposition to get citizens that I
[3:06:06] issue. I'm worried about that. I'm worried about us coming out and saying, you know, back. We don't
[3:06:16] have to state that it's wrong. We can state that it's wrong when we have a better grasp on what
[3:06:22] it's going to cost different departments. Or when there is a ballot issue, but as of right now,
[3:06:28] I think it's better for us as a town to come out and say, these are the facts and just the facts.
[3:06:34] And if there are people who want to go out there with these facts and argue with each other online,
[3:06:38] they're great. But for us to come out and state that this, we are not positioned of
[3:06:44] people collecting signatures. I have a little bit of a, I think we'll issue it back in a moment.
[3:06:51] I don't think that that's what we're opposed to is people collecting signatures. I think that we all
[3:07:04] But I think that we should come out and get ahead of this,
[3:07:11] because this is a terrible thing for the general.
[3:07:13] No, I don't know.
[3:07:14] I fully agree, that's what I totally not get ahead of it,
[3:07:17] because I think that, like I said in our last session,
[3:07:21] our obligation is to our citizens.
[3:07:32] Thank you. So, I give it a go ahead.
[3:07:39] But, I feel that as an elected official, we are elected because, you know, like the town
[3:07:50] represents, who wants us to be their voice. Well, we're elected to be the voice, and I think this
[3:07:57] Why team harmed our constituents citizens, so more than they are even aware, so if we can't get ahead of this, then I also, I agree, I do want to get there with it and I believe our citizens are looking for a particular position on it, but I also want to have a united counts, and I want it to be unanimous and six oh that these are the facts, if we are a whole fast to
[3:08:26] position, we will be possibly a 14 vote and that doesn't carry as much waiting to be as
[3:08:33] a council that's united in the state of the tax.
[3:08:36] We'd rather have the 6-0 in the tax than 14 in the position.
[3:08:43] And I don't know whether that John was very smart and he started with me.
[3:08:48] All right, Laura.
[3:08:55] The issue has not on the ballot yet.
[3:09:00] The group, I think it's Parker citizens, prepare taxes if I'm not correct.
[3:09:07] This issue may or may not get on the ballot.
[3:09:11] We will find out at the end of August.
[3:09:18] There's two issues here,
[3:09:22] the Parker Charter and the Colorado Constitution allow a citizen ballot initiative.
[3:09:29] Colorado is one of 24 states that allows a citizen initiative ballot measure.
[3:09:40] This has not made the ballot yet. This is not certified by the town clerk yet.
[3:09:45] We will not find out whether this is certified by the town clerk until maybe August the end of August sometime or near the end of August.
[3:09:58] This grocery tax issue was not a majority vote to put on the ballot three years ago.
[3:10:09] As a result, a group of citizens in the town are now coming forward to try to put this issue on the ballot.
[3:10:18] We are elected officials, we have a duty to support our citizens, the Parker Charter, the Colorado Constitution.
[3:10:28] We also have a duty to put out accurate information on how the town actually works, what the town's budget is.
[3:10:39] And that's what we're talking about here tonight with our finance department.
[3:10:44] So, going forward, we can put out the facts right now that the town has presented to the public.
[3:10:58] And also, should this matter make the ballot, the 60,000, 60,000,000 citizens of Parker Colerado, will decide this measure, not the Parker town council.
[3:11:12] And let me just be clear on what a resolution actually is tonight.
[3:11:17] It is not an ordinance.
[3:11:19] It has very limited impact here tonight.
[3:11:23] This resolution is a statement of general policy or information.
[3:11:29] That's what it is.
[3:11:30] That's what we're putting out here tonight.
[3:11:33] So, in my opinion, if you want to put out information tonight
[3:11:38] for the town to understand, I would go with option two, which is neutral,
[3:11:45] this has not made
[3:11:46] the ballot.
[3:11:47] This is March.
[3:11:48] We will find out if this makes the ballot in August.
[3:11:53] And we will continue this process to talk about the budget in this town to put out information.
[3:12:01] But our citizens have every right under the Colorado Constitution and the Parker Charter
[3:12:05] to bring this citizen ballot initiative.
[3:12:22] The reason people elect elected officials is to be their voice for them and to help them understand and kind of make the talk decisions on what's waiting, what's wrong and what's best for the town because it was easy to have anyone to do it.
[3:12:38] I have to look at the morale and not the moral of our people.
[3:12:42] I have to look at the morale of our staff.
[3:12:44] I have to look at the morale of our police officers.
[3:12:47] I have to look at the morale of the people who are sitting here panicked because they know in a very intimate way what a budget cut will do to that.
[3:12:56] What it will do to their department, what it will do to their salaries.
[3:12:59] They're unknown right now and they're relying heavily on us to be the ones to say like, hey,
[3:13:06] We understand, we're looking out for what's best for our town, we're looking out what's best for our people.
[3:13:13] I don't want people to start like rats on a sinking ship.
[3:13:15] I don't want them to start running and fleeing because they think that they don't have council support in protecting them from this initiative.
[3:13:23] And it doesn't matter what we say or do tonight, they're going to move forward with their signatures.
[3:13:28] That's not the point of this.
[3:13:29] This is not to stop somebody's legal right to petition to put stuff on a ballot.
[3:13:34] Because it doesn't matter what we say, it's not going to stop them anyways.
[3:13:38] So this isn't about that.
[3:13:39] This is about showing our town, staff, and our town employees, and the people who elect us
[3:13:46] are constituents that we have their best interest at heart, because we are the ones that are
[3:13:51] doing this day in and day out.
[3:13:53] And we have wrote resolutions in the past when it came down to the land use bill.
[3:13:57] We knew how bad that was going to be and how detrimental that was going to be to our town.
[3:14:01] And we made a resolution saying, we are 100% against this.
[3:14:05] So it doesn't matter if we want to say neutral.
[3:14:09] And we're going to be forced.
[3:14:10] We're already forced to have this conversation.
[3:14:12] We're already back to end to a corner of,
[3:14:15] hey, guys, we're coming after your town.
[3:14:17] We're coming after the budget.
[3:14:18] We're coming after your departments.
[3:14:19] We're coming after your police.
[3:14:20] And I'm sorry.
[3:14:21] I want to write a resolution right now.
[3:14:24] Not for the people of pressure,
[3:14:25] but for our staff and for our police officers
[3:14:27] to say, we've got your back.
[3:14:28] We're going to do what we have to do
[3:14:29] to protect our town and to protect you guys. So, I want to write in opposition.
[3:14:38] I'd
[3:14:41] like to do one record that I have never said and I don't think that I've heard anyone
[3:14:47] else on council state that the citizens don't have a right to their own initiative or to collect
[3:14:53] signatures. I've never heard anybody say that. But so that is just for a
[3:15:00] The very clear record.
[3:15:03] And yeah, we're not voting against this. I mean, what I want to, and I just want to be clear, that to be back on what council member Wilkes said, yes, of course, we want to keep up morale. We, you know, that's I think that's all great. But bottom line is the reason people move here in a parker are for the amenities that we have.
[3:15:30] parks and wrecks. You know, our, I think everybody was pretty happy, not everybody would
[3:15:36] how the roads were plowed a couple weeks ago. You know, that was a huge storm.
[3:15:43] But this would be so detrimental to the town. I, I feel that we need to absolutely come
[3:15:52] with a back based with all of that. But I also personally, I am, I want to come out in
[3:16:00] opposition and let my constituents know that I am opposed to this, but I want them to know why.
[3:16:10] So that's where I am. I would like to come out in opposition. With with that.
[3:16:28] I've never said I'm opposed to citizens in an initiative, but I'm almost forward and so I'm so struck that, okay?
[3:16:36] I'm getting on the sofa to keep the name rang up.
[3:16:40] You pull assistance to it.
[3:16:41] I am thinking this is a very critical decision for me.
[3:16:49] The petitions as lies.
[3:16:51] They're getting signatures.
[3:16:52] And I don't, I think we need to pose, I think, option one, that I don't think it's right, no
[3:17:00] knowing what we know now, all these that all this facts. And we're, we're representative of
[3:17:06] those citizens and staff, everyone. I can dispute it, it's not. Well, and I'm still talking,
[3:17:13] so I can, I can, I can, it should be too.
[3:17:18] If it goes to the, if it goes, if it goes,
[3:17:20] this is great, but I have a fun little problem with doing citizens on lies. Period.
[3:17:30] It's lies.
[3:17:32] That's wrong. I believe the data that our awesome status done, award winning staff for many years,
[3:17:48] I think it's kind of really, this is a big deal, just how I look at love on.
[3:17:56] So, you know, I'm off to one, right?
[3:18:00] I am option two.
[3:18:06] I think the concept thing that I'm hearing is that we're supportive of the facts, but some of us think we're believed that it's going to be bad for the town.
[3:18:20] We may think or believe that, but until we can demonstrate that to the citizens, I believe it's a responsibility of us to even consider taking a bank on that.
[3:18:32] You know, to me, we are elected officials.
[3:18:35] We have staff, staff representatives with information.
[3:18:40] I want to get the information out for everybody to take a look at.
[3:18:47] We can, we can, I guess, go to a process later to identify.
[3:18:55] To identify if there are other things or how we will be impacted.
[3:19:00] but to me if we oppose, I think there's a little bit of a question that what are we
[3:19:08] opposed? I think Laura sort of you know brought it out. There are there are things we can say
[3:19:16] whatever we want. But in the end this is not a valid question. It's a petition question
[3:19:26] And at this point in time, probably the best information, the best facts we have are contained in this resolution.
[3:19:36] And to oppose something without demonstrating the potential impacts.
[3:19:42] To me, I just I just want to agree with you.
[3:19:45] So as we are right now, we are a three tree, which means that we don't have a resolution.
[3:19:50] That will do it with no resolution, roughly, unless you want to have further discussion to figure out where next time.
[3:19:58] So I always write that question.
[3:20:01] So branding.
[3:20:03] Well, I'm looking at you.
[3:20:06] So.
[3:20:07] I mean, I will not let it be in the bill.
[3:20:10] I will take a position in the past resolution.
[3:20:13] I remember looking at these guys, you know, we need to get statement out and, you know, we need to
[3:20:21] agree with something out there and if there's three of us heavily in favor, one of us kind of
[3:20:27] in favor and two of you against an opposition position. But the constant theme, the constant
[3:20:33] theme is we all agree on that. So it's a me that's easy. And we can do something, something else
[3:20:40] down the line if that's what you're talking about.
[3:20:43] To me, and I just want to get information out.
[3:20:47] So what is in the line looked like?
[3:20:49] I don't know.
[3:20:50] Can, what is on the line to wait?
[3:20:52] If you guys say that by the end of this week,
[3:20:55] hopefully next week, those fill in the blank thoughts
[3:20:57] would be filled in with that satisfy the numbers
[3:21:00] that you're looking for to have the demonstration
[3:21:03] of the department.
[3:21:04] So we need to go through a budget process.
[3:21:06] So I identify the impact in the framework.
[3:21:08] So then what does that look like?
[3:21:09] What's our time frame ticket?
[3:21:10] That's August.
[3:21:11] No, we would do the budget earlier this year,
[3:21:15] because it's much more end up,
[3:21:17] I would say we would probably start a pretty quick ride
[3:21:21] after we are working on the 10 year financial plan.
[3:21:25] So, I mean, in the past, I mean, for staff,
[3:21:27] you first, you all, you don't see it until,
[3:21:30] and every year it seems to have gotten later
[3:21:32] and later with the budget retreat,
[3:21:33] but staff starts working on it in June and May.
[3:21:38] Well, now the long range plan that's, you guys already started about feeds and if you bring it to you guys and June is alive, but staff's working on the tenure plan already now.
[3:21:49] We'll start working with departments usually in May, June. So, yeah.
[3:21:57] I mean, are you trying to get to a post or are you just trying to provide the, I'm just trying to put it in the facts.
[3:22:02] I mean, I think if you provide the facts, people have the ability to understand and to make decisions on yourselves and you kind of report it's indicated.
[3:22:11] Well, what I say is authority being circulated all over social media and next door by people that counsel is opposed.
[3:22:20] So if they're already making the statement that counsel is opposed, it's already out there that we think this is a bad idea.
[3:22:27] And I mean, I'm open to listening.
[3:22:30] To you, and to Laura, but as a break this second, I stand with what I said, this isn't just about the citizens, this is about our staff and our officers as well.
[3:22:42] I don't know what to say. I mean, to me, it's about the fact that to me, this is the most current fact that we have.
[3:22:48] And I'm a cushion folder.
[3:22:51] I don't, I hear you saying, you know, I just, I'm at a different place.
[3:22:57] I can't feel that I respect that. Still looking.
[3:23:01] But you don't, you can only look at the facts.
[3:23:05] You can't look at what this would do to, like could, but I can't demonstrate that.
[3:23:11] You can demonstrate that.
[3:23:12] But I need to demonstrate that.
[3:23:13] But you can recognize that.
[3:23:15] I need to communicate that to the institutions to articulate, here's what the impacts are.
[3:23:20] This is incomplete processes for this time.
[3:23:22] This is the best information we have.
[3:23:25] We're trying to provide the best most current information we have to people.
[3:23:28] This is what we got. And if there's, if there's why, as you put it, out there, this should probably set up string.
[3:23:36] So then many day, if recess, a discussion point, in recess, and people can go off of the same,
[3:23:43] go off the same information to identify if they, if they want to pursue something or not.
[3:23:53] So I will state the council as the process builds when we do get to final version of this resolution we decide on a date to have it in the bigger room.
[3:24:03] There will be an opportunity for us individually to set the right on the matter and why we're floating the way we're moving.
[3:24:09] We can make a personalized statement at that time and if you choose to express our position or not, even with just a factual.
[3:24:16] I'm looking for compromise, even with just a factual resolution.
[3:24:21] As art, my goal, again, has always, as it had always been,
[3:24:25] and John's also in his consensus, being best served in citizens
[3:24:29] if we are 600.
[3:24:31] That is why we are accounts.
[3:24:33] So we can keep consensus in the answer to satisfy everybody's,
[3:24:42] everybody's desire to best serve as citizens is an individual
[3:24:45] statement in the days about where we're coming from, like, migrating to Yesa and the resolution,
[3:24:50] does that a compromise for you to read, so just put out a factual resolution today.
[3:25:01] I think that in the facts, I was more important than part of opinion, so I'm about that.
[3:25:11] I want to talk about it. Well, we're not there. I'm going to take the rhythm. No,
[3:25:16] those seeds are necessary to have any answer. And you want to go first, you know?
[3:25:22] If this is just going to die here tonight, if it's a three-three, then I think that is more detrimental to our citizens than not getting the facts out there.
[3:25:39] I, again, want to be on record that I'm opposed.
[3:25:43] So you're not voting.
[3:25:46] You're just a duplicate census to give us direction.
[3:25:48] You really want to jump in the prime pan.
[3:25:51] We can put both the resolutions on the regular meeting agenda.
[3:25:55] And you can make your sausage at that time.
[3:25:58] But we're in the right.
[3:25:59] We're in the right place.
[3:26:01] And in the right place.
[3:26:03] We're in the right place.
[3:26:04] All right. Well, I think all I have to say is I agree.
[3:26:07] I don't want that this resolution to die.
[3:26:09] It's more critical to get the back son.
[3:26:11] The only thing I am going to say is I love.
[3:26:13] The unanimous 60 dream of council, but at the same time, I don't think we're going to get to that. And I refuse to let a single or two single no votes win, because we are in a democracy and the yay votes win, not the naivots and must be the majority of the majority wins. So for me, all move forward with just getting the backs out, but when it comes to things that we really need to stick to, I respect warning and unify council, I just don't think that we're there. And I'm not going to let the
[3:26:43] minority votes, keep us from doing our duty to our citizens and to our staff.
[3:26:50] I'd appreciate that. I'd like to make one more statement, please.
[3:26:56] I enjoy representing the citizens of Parker and I respect their judgment, the citizens should
[3:27:01] make the ballot.
[3:27:05] Us, six of us, who knows whether this is an issue on any social media or not,
[3:27:12] rumors fly all the time about different things on social media. That's not important in this room.
[3:27:20] We disagree sometimes. We come together. We make decisions.
[3:27:27] We've been a good council this past three years that I've been on council.
[3:27:32] We work together. We're going to have to get through some difficult issues as we proceed and we will get through this.
[3:27:39] We may have a difference of opinion on things and we will get through this.
[3:27:45] But I, for one, I support the citizens of Parker,
[3:27:50] bringing any initiative they want under Parker Charter in the Colorado Constitution.
[3:27:55] And if any citizen out there listening right now wants to read about the citizen
[3:28:00] ballot initiative, they can go to my website and they can read citizen
[3:28:04] ballot initiative on my website to understand what that means for
[3:28:09] with the citizens of Colorado.
[3:28:15] Can I just make a statement about that, too?
[3:28:17] I think that is laid in self-promotion.
[3:28:21] And that, I think everyone in this room agrees
[3:28:27] that citizens have rights.
[3:28:30] We all have a website, but none of us are out there
[3:28:32] promoting it during a campaign season, especially.
[3:28:35] I think that is very laid in.
[3:28:37] That's not what we're going to have to worry about, I think.
[3:28:40] And then it's outside the scope of this discussion count.
[3:28:44] No, it's not.
[3:28:44] No, it's not.
[3:28:45] And I'm tired.
[3:28:46] I get to have my opinion just like you get to have your opinion.
[3:28:49] And I have never gotten so irritated like you.
[3:28:52] This is probably the first time you've ever seen me get irritated.
[3:28:56] But that is, that is just out of line.
[3:28:59] I totally think that that is.
[3:29:02] I think the citizens of part of my watch.
[3:29:05] No, no.
[3:29:05] Why don't you say why don't you go to the town's website instead of
[3:29:09] Oh, look at me because the town doesn't have that on their website. And it's none of your business in my business.
[3:29:16] I choose to write, but you know, it's a part of Parker 50 blogs. I don't know, I don't know.
[3:29:22] I wish you were at a line. We have some American kids. And this is the bullying I've talked about.
[3:29:27] Now you find it. Okay, you need to settle.
[3:29:30] No, you all didn't want to believe me. For the past several months on this issue.
[3:29:35] since the Parker citizen's initiative was formed.
[3:29:38] Okay, okay.
[3:29:39] Okay.
[3:29:40] None of you are business that a Parker citizen
[3:29:43] form an initiative that is not in your business.
[3:29:46] Go form your own initiative and go form your own initiative.
[3:29:50] And let me, let me try and enjoy.
[3:29:54] I'm just, I'm just tired of getting fully by her.
[3:29:57] No, I have never bullied you.
[3:30:00] But a lie, I have never folded you. All right, I'm done. All right. So I'm hearing we're going to let you sit in the classroom solution in the packet.
[3:30:12] I agree to that.
[3:30:13] Okay, I can sense this. So with this being said, it sounds like stabbed. You're going to have the blanks filled in with in.
[3:30:23] Yeah, if we don't have it for the April 1st, it will be April 15th.
[3:30:29] Okay, so we're targeting the April 1st. Can I still know where you look came from?
[3:30:32] Yeah, as long as all the types are coming in, then the yellows are gone. And it's, yeah, and then
[3:30:38] when it's ready, it's ready. Yeah, it's a complete privilege.
[3:30:40] I believe it's a privilege. Okay, okay. Anything else?
[3:30:46] Yes, two more items. Yes. So one thing that I would like to get
[3:30:53] Council's, I guess, Blossom on.
[3:30:57] It's my recommendation to pause the telephone project,
[3:31:02] which is the renovation, modernization and addition
[3:31:06] of the current telephone.
[3:31:09] As you know, this has been something that's been planned since 2021
[3:31:15] with the approval of the facility master plan and then the contracts
[3:31:21] and we started the design work on it last year actually in 2022, but with the petition that's out there to possibly eliminate the grocery tax, I feel like it's only responsible and appropriate although a different local decision to put that project on hold.
[3:31:45] And this project is being paid for with cash from the two years of COVID that we had extraordinary unprecedented.
[3:31:59] It's not going to have been again.
[3:32:01] from the process we don't have in the pandemic of 18% and 11% sales tax revenue are normal
[3:32:08] is between three and five as you know we're back down to three again percent.
[3:32:13] So when that funds, that is general fund money, it's not like the other CIP projects.
[3:32:21] So when we're talking about types to possibly achieve positions and services and all of that,
[3:32:28] I feel like it's only responsible to pause it.
[3:32:31] Now, I do want to make sure that I'm articulating that.
[3:32:35] That project is not just additional workspaces.
[3:32:41] It is important safety and security enhancements
[3:32:44] to identify potential threats.
[3:32:47] We're talking after shooters scenarios.
[3:32:49] Minimize, it's really to minimize the harm to employees
[3:32:52] in the public.
[3:32:53] This building is over 20 years old.
[3:32:56] It was built for 10 year planned expansion.
[3:33:01] We're definitely passed that.
[3:33:03] And I don't, and it's more of that renovation
[3:33:05] and modernization off the because those safety security
[3:33:09] enhancement is a whole plan of those.
[3:33:13] It's also ADA and accessibility improvements.
[3:33:19] Again, that's needed for this building.
[3:33:22] And then additionally,
[3:33:24] There's upgrading of technology and systems, as you know how to chambers is on a bandage.
[3:33:31] Like set bandage goes, we don't have a production anymore in there.
[3:33:37] And then also it was to provide additional space for additional services such as transport services.
[3:33:43] But I do feel that it should be put on fully well.
[3:33:49] We don't know which one of our futures will apply.
[3:33:52] So it would be my recommendation.
[3:33:54] It will cost us if we're able to restart it.
[3:33:59] It will cost us more because of it being pushed for six to nine months.
[3:34:03] My body.
[3:34:05] Around nine hundred and six to nine miles on?
[3:34:09] No, I mean.
[3:34:10] What does that mean?
[3:34:11] Yes.
[3:34:12] So we might have to scale that up.
[3:34:14] I don't think it's going to be able to find that additional funds because
[3:34:20] this funds are from those two years of targeted.
[3:34:24] So not like we had money sitting around.
[3:34:26] We were able to do it this way because of the two.
[3:34:29] The two.
[3:34:29] The two.
[3:34:30] The two.
[3:34:30] The two.
[3:34:30] The two.
[3:34:32] Yeah.
[3:34:33] That's about to skip $1 million worth of improvements if we talk and thank you back.
[3:34:39] Is there a way to part out that was an individual?
[3:34:43] No, it gets a whole complete project.
[3:34:46] I mean, if we were to put it on indefinitely and not do it.
[3:34:53] There are different things that we would be able to do, but it would cost us still, you know,
[3:34:59] it's a million dollars to do some of the ADA stuff because some of the ADA stuff is being
[3:35:06] sorted in it, naturally, but if we don't do that and have to just go out and do it, it
[3:35:12] definitely costs more than that. So yeah. I mean, I'm definitely a little kind of good one at
[3:35:19] Sometimes the games clearly, but it still requires a lot of work to get into that.
[3:35:25] Yeah, so it was a piece of the system.
[3:35:29] Yeah, it looks like it was.
[3:35:30] For the only one.
[3:35:32] It is, but you know, we would, if it was to be put on hold and does not,
[3:35:37] like we would, I mean, it would be put on hold because we don't have,
[3:35:42] we've already touched it.
[3:35:43] So to be able to find that money when we're already,
[3:35:46] looking at reductions to put in all of the different things that we're talking about because it's
[3:35:53] it's infrastructure changes to in terms of how the public and employees are protected behind
[3:36:01] right now it's very open which we like that but at the same time, you know, anybody can
[3:36:08] it's just a swing, swing half door between the public and anybody on the back side same thing
[3:36:15] I don't want to get too much and just say, hey, this is how you, but, you know, it's definitely something that concerns me, and it's a big part of that project is that safety and security announcements for employees and people coming to court and
[3:36:32] Yeah, there's a lot of noise, so I think that's really,
[3:36:36] really, really, really, really.
[3:36:41] So question.
[3:36:44] Just to make sure everybody's on the same page.
[3:36:47] Part of the town hall expansion is bringing over employees that are scattered throughout the town,
[3:36:53] including in buildings like Old Town Hall, which you want to talk about dilapidated,
[3:36:58] maybe not the safest building on the planet. So we're talking about
[3:37:03] pausing a much needed facility. This isn't just a cosmetic pretty fixer upper. This is a much
[3:37:08] need of facility to bring staff together to coordinate collaborate safety, not just safety
[3:37:14] from tutors but health safety as well. We are talking about pausing that, which if we can bring it back
[3:37:22] again. We'll cost us a million dollars in improvements.
[3:37:26] But, and it's one time used funds. We're
[3:37:28] not getting these funds again.
[3:37:30] So that we can make sure that if this initiative passes the citizens votes, we don't have to shut down our time.
[3:37:40] But really, what it's coming down to, it would lessen me in fact.
[3:37:46] I would say this for the temporary year.
[3:37:50] Yeah, for a year or two, because not all that could be a way that's not required.
[3:37:59] And I just, I feel like it's a morale issue too for employees who would be saying, you know, what are we looking on terms of reductions because, you know, it's 12 million, 11 million is a lot of money when we're trying to get that outside of the auction right far.
[3:38:17] But you're still building this modernization and you know improvements needed improvements, but you know what I also need my job.
[3:38:29] So you know that's that's part of it. I just don't feel like it. It sends a good message to the employees.
[3:38:36] And it concerns me to, you know, sacrifice some of that stuff that we need to do.
[3:38:42] But I think it's, it's my motivation to supply.
[3:38:46] Well, I really hate that we're back into this corner essentially.
[3:38:50] But as I've stated, I trust our staff immensely.
[3:38:54] You guys are the ones that know the end and outs.
[3:38:57] Here are the ones that we rely on.
[3:38:59] And so if your recommendation is to do that,
[3:39:02] And I support your accommodation and I love the brandy more of I think it's a shame, but if that's what we have to do then that's we have to do I mean how many more dollars is this going to cost the town.
[3:39:28] I trust staffs working the vision for me.
[3:39:32] Again, I just think it's a shame.
[3:39:35] We will continue because you guys had created several contracts with the design
[3:39:41] and working with AMD and JHA.
[3:39:43] We will continue to bring all the plans right up to the approval for council
[3:39:51] without going through that stuff.
[3:39:54] And obviously, those campaigns would be ready
[3:39:58] then to be triggered back and made it to gay people.
[3:40:02] So, like, it's a way of intonation and being used to doing that.
[3:40:09] But you're going to say, it's a lot of, like,
[3:40:11] the guy that exists to serve people to eat.
[3:40:16] The government does not exist to serve itself.
[3:40:21] In this particular matter, I agree with Michelle.
[3:40:29] Go on, that's it.
[3:40:35] Yeah,
[3:40:38] this is the, this is the shape. I know that when we did, we did, we didn't build
[3:40:44] that sound, uh, pee knee or, uh, parts of wreck and we used COPs. There was a lot of, well,
[3:40:52] back from conservatives that said, you shouldn't be financing the same cash. And now we have
[3:40:57] windfall from COVID 18% and on 11% to years we take that money we put into a savings account
[3:41:04] to his citizens to take a better their town hall and now that money has been seen as
[3:41:12] ongoing funds that we can use to whatever it's so sad that some people just don't realize
[3:41:23] They're doing. And then I'm just, I'm taking a bag. This is, this is the future of our town.
[3:41:29] Our goal has always been to not have debt when we get to build out.
[3:41:36] Our goal has always been to pay for things with cash.
[3:41:40] We saved that cash from an anomaly that is coded and torqued into our coffers.
[3:41:45] And now that cash is being used as excuse to
[3:41:50] thought revenues and ruin this term.
[3:41:53] That's the shame.
[3:41:54] And it's, it needs to be talked about.
[3:41:56] Even needs to know what's going on.
[3:41:58] Because this is, this is Seth.
[3:42:02] I think I think it's a pleasure.
[3:42:04] Yeah.
[3:42:05] No, I mean, I think I think it's a very uncertain
[3:42:08] you have.
[3:42:10] Yeah.
[3:42:10] I would encourage you to figure out
[3:42:16] you know, what the components say at the age of the eight, they can't work at the age
[3:42:20] of the community in the Denver, measure area, 20, 30, 1 or 4 of us during the, you know,
[3:42:27] 16, I'm sorry about that.
[3:42:31] But, you know, those types of enhancements, I think, need any, any items or stuff.
[3:42:38] But at this point, if you don't have this ability, you can't do both.
[3:42:42] And so I'm supportive of the performance of Michelle's performance.
[3:42:47] Yeah, and so with that also, this is something that I spoke in with the OAC team.
[3:42:57] The construction team, which is just Bob Aström and AMD and J.H.L.
[3:43:03] To get the number and just see what that timeline looks like and all of that.
[3:43:07] So, this is news to the directors that are all sitting there, and so I will also be
[3:43:15] preparing messaging to go out to employees this week to let them know because that's something
[3:43:22] that I want to make sure that this message from me directly. But, you know, and to follow up,
[3:43:29] it is something that I saw as a reinvestment back into the community because this is
[3:43:38] building for our citizens. I'm a citizen, I've lived in Harvard for 23 years. And this
[3:43:46] is something that is what our residents should not have else done. And Bill
[3:43:52] Savingscare and the field of any accessibility challenges something we have, whether it's somebody,
[3:44:01] you know, you talked about the aging, but it's actually, you know, it could be a boy
[3:44:05] role, it has different radiation challenges. And so being able to pre-invest and provide
[3:44:11] that part of me to me is something that's very important, as well as the additional
[3:44:16] mediums, and today, so it's being able to do the studies. But, you know, so that's what the
[3:44:24] plan is right now, and then what we may, we can restart it. Yes, carries looking at me like,
[3:44:32] Sure, I already know we restarted and we're going to cut my public aren't out of it.
[3:44:38] That's that.
[3:44:39] This is not getting our turn.
[3:44:41] The second thing is we are working on a communications plan.
[3:44:46] You know, we'll have the good and the resolution going forward when it does does transfer.
[3:44:52] We'll be working on a press release.
[3:44:55] And to that out, we'll have information out there on let's talk further.
[3:45:00] We have been already working on and Emily has been working with her team, but FAQs should be going on a project page on let's talk
[3:45:11] and linking from the website.
[3:45:16] So I think that's probably the main system.
[3:45:20] I think that we're working on other materials
[3:45:23] in places that are earlier that we're making it easier to understand
[3:45:29] all of this very complex information.
[3:45:36] I think it's all like that.
[3:45:38] Thank you.
[3:45:39] And again, there's one other answer or anything.
[3:45:42] Well, we don't want, you know, I do it every minute.
[3:45:46] I don't want that.
[3:45:47] I stay.
[3:45:50] So we started the presentation.
[3:45:52] The resolution book is only on the book and assumption.
[3:45:56] We're going to have other exemptions that are being signed.
[3:46:00] One is to four of them.
[3:46:01] Four of them.
[3:46:01] The other one is to the divers.
[3:46:04] I don't know if there's any interest on council.
[3:46:07] Again, taking advantage of those exemptions over the election.
[3:46:10] And I'm not looking for direction at this point, but just so you're aware that it's
[3:46:16] provided like a process.
[3:46:19] This was an exception that was created in 2022 when it took back last year, and I think
[3:46:25] there would be a moderate production and tax revenue that you want to have set up in those
[3:46:31] exemptions.
[3:46:31] I would point out that the bill that was approved by the legislature is specifically
[3:46:36] allowed the municipalities to make their own decision, considering whether or not to make
[3:46:39] advantage of these two exemptions. So if it is absolutely discretionary in your part, but maybe one way to simplify his whole process of the does make it to the battle beyond questions,
[3:46:50] to get in the way of, you know, to ask the grocery to ask the other two, the other two,
[3:46:56] exempt just making views, dollars, so that's just something for you to thank you.
[3:47:01] And now we're going to align with us with the state. Yes, I'm finally looking into one.
[3:47:08] Randy. So clarification, you're wanting direction for us to look into if we exempt women and products
[3:47:15] and adult, is it specifically adult measures or is that a shoulder and an adult? Okay,
[3:47:19] So you're looking for us to already exempt feminine hygiene products and adult and children
[3:47:26] diapers, so that the only question that could come to a ballot measure, which simply be moved
[3:47:31] for home consumption. Correct. Okay. How quickly could that happen?
[3:47:39] Very quickly. Now I text two readings and take them out of time to be ordered and stick out.
[3:47:44] Well, do I guess what's the process to have a state session and then we're going to need more information on this.
[3:47:55] Do you want to put you like him who's hair and potential ordinance for a few in the state session?
[3:48:02] How would you like to go and thank us for what he has asked?
[3:48:06] And again, I'm not looking for direction right now, but something clear to think about it.
[3:48:09] If you want us to move on, this hopefully we can sort of give that as well.
[3:48:13] is there any way to rest to know what the financial impact would be for that if we remove the tax
[3:48:18] up of those things like is there any way to quantify that?
[3:48:26] I'm sorry.
[3:48:27] I'm sorry.
[3:48:27] I'm sorry.
[3:48:27] I sure I ask you a lot of information, because we wanted to look at the impacts together.
[3:48:32] And so certainly also that this is made with the whole impact of this repeat.
[3:48:39] I can tell you in the state of the fiscal know was 13 million and that was for the 2.9%
[3:48:46] state component of the sales tax. I'm assuming it's been material the last that they're
[3:48:52] student only because that was again. That was a day for it. That's why. Yeah. That's a why.
[3:48:56] And I would say, I came up with between 26280, 2060 to 2060 to 2080.
[3:49:07] I mean, you know, as a female.
[3:49:10] I understand.
[3:49:11] So it's like zero for babies or children.
[3:49:15] And then 10 to 50 of women.
[3:49:19] 10, 8 to 10 to 49.
[3:49:20] I got you.
[3:49:21] And then we didn't expect that.
[3:49:23] And then they check it right in the end, don't.
[3:49:26] And that's what you're talking about.
[3:49:28] OK.
[3:49:29] Go on.
[3:49:30] OK.
[3:49:31] Thank you for that.
[3:49:32] I'm fine having you guys so forward with bringing that to us and what that looks like.
[3:49:38] OK.
[3:49:38] So I get more and more.
[3:49:41] Yes, Mr. Maloney.
[3:49:42] Make it very good for you.
[3:49:44] Josh.
[3:49:46] Yeah.
[3:49:46] I think it's worth exploring.
[3:49:47] I'm a witness.
[3:49:49] You know, so I'm going to be a little bit, is to hit this, but if it's a statewide issue,
[3:49:52] we should talk to them.
[3:49:56] And we can do this together.
[3:49:59] We're ready.
[3:49:59] Good afternoon.
[3:50:01] We're good.
[3:50:01] I'll show it.
[3:50:04] Anything else, Jim?
[3:50:06] Just a moment.
[3:50:07] Don't do it.
[3:50:07] Say it.
[3:50:08] I don't.
[3:50:09] Say it.
[3:50:10] Thank you.
[3:50:12] No, I don't think so.
[3:50:13] Time cancel.
[3:50:14] Can we?
[3:50:16] I don't know if I can tell me how to handle that thing.
[3:50:19] Guys, I went to DC.
[3:50:21] And I just have to tell you guys how incredible it was for the public safety and
[3:50:25] crime prevention effort advocacy committee.
[3:50:27] It's a mouthful.
[3:50:28] And I have to pretend every single thing.
[3:50:30] I showed three initiatives.
[3:50:33] And I met with our congressmen and was Senator Bennett's office and
[3:50:36] who was able to have.
[3:50:37] I think presented the three main issues that after working with our chief
[3:50:41] and the commanders and the servants and doing right alums and
[3:50:43] hearing citizens that I felt were important.
[3:50:46] So, I just want to give you guys another, I'm not going to need that, but just to
[3:50:49] believe in, you don't read that I was specifically looking at, where the mental and
[3:50:53] physical health care officers as our host program and the clear certification.
[3:50:59] And not only were the legal staff and Senator Bennett seen excited about these,
[3:51:04] they've already reached out to me to get more information, which I've already started
[3:51:07] to share and have meetings with.
[3:51:09] And then Denver City Council member heard what I was talking about.
[3:51:14] if they're a here, reach out to me and want to collaborate with us as a council and what we do
[3:51:17] right here and how we can help Denver improve on this. And then I have had a state representative
[3:51:22] reach out as well and is looking to help us get funding from the state funneled while I'm fighting
[3:51:29] on the federal level for funding. So I just want to fully well in as I promised I would. It was exhausting
[3:51:34] from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. for all of those days, but 100% worth it and I'm excited to see how we can
[3:51:39] help our state on our police level and on public safety and crime prevention not just on our town. So, that's an update.
[3:51:45] We'll go in. Can you?
[3:51:47] The other castle.
[3:51:51] Okay.
[3:51:59] Sorry.
[3:52:00] Sorry.