costly.
» But like
Yeah, it ruined our secondary water system.
» Yeah.
[clears throat]
Okay.
» Beautiful.
[laughter]
So, it is 5:31 and since we don't have a mayor, we need to elect a mayor proamp.
Kelly, are you ready for us to be okay? I'd like to nominate
uh David Burton for mayor promp. >> Better him than me. I second it.
» All in favor? I I >> I
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. >> Call the Carin City Council meeting to
order. It is now. >> Can you turn on your microphone or put
it to your face? >> What is that? your microphone.
» Nobody can hear me. >> Okay, it's August. Do I need to start
over? >> No.
» Okay, it's August 27th and it is 5:33
p.m.
Okay. Do we have some opening ceremonies,
» Michelle? >> Okay. Our opening ceremonies will be
given by Council Member Toppam. Our
father in heaven, we bow our heads before thee this day to ask a special
blessing as we come together as a city council and a community. Please bless
that we may be able to go through these agenda items with respect to one
another, hear everyone out and make the decisions that are best for our city. We
are also so very thank thankful for all of the moisture that we have received
and pray that we can continue to receive
what you think that we need. And we are so very thankful for this beautiful
community that we live in. And I say these things in the name of Jesus
Christ. Amen. >> And amen.
» Please stand.
» I pledge alce to the flag of the United States of America and to the
stands one indivisible.
» Thank you, Council Member Toppam.
Are [clears throat] there any conflicts with anyone on the council tonight with
anything on the agenda? >> No.
» No. >> Thank you. Hearing none, we will now
proceed with public comments. Is there anyone that would like to give
a comment on something that they have in concern with the city that isn't on the
agenda that they'd like to bring forth at this time?
Well, seeing none, we will move to the consent agenda. This
is regular items that are approved by the council regularly. Items six and
seven. Six is the M minutes from the special work meeting August 13th
and the city council meeting on August 13th of 2026 and the warrant register
for August 27th, 2026. >> Mayor, I move to approve consent agenda
items six and seven. I'll second it.
» Okay, it's been moved and seconded. Approve the consent agenda. All in
favor? >> I
» I any Excuse me. Any opposed? Okay, the consent agenda passes.
We'll now move to the action agenda number eight,
which involves a temporary alcohol event permit for September 19th, 2026 for
Sweet Pea Farm and Orchard DA Olrich, owner. I propose that we uh grant the
temporary alcohol event permit for September 19th, 2026 for Sweet Pea Farm
and Orchard uh Daich owner.
» I'll second it. >> It's been moved and seconded that we
approve the temporary alcohol event permit for Sweet Pea Farms for September
19th, 2026 for Dao Ultridge Oldrich, excuse me. All in favor? I
» I >> I
» Any opposed? Motion passes to approve the alcohol
event permit. >> Uh item number nine, consider proposed
zone change for parcel A-0026-000027-0000
from A1 to R2. Dan, do you have a presentation on that?
Um I don't we did discuss it last um last time in the work agenda um in
detail. So I don't have anything planned to presentwise but I can certainly
answer any questions. The uh the uh um property is in front of you um
for the zone change request.
So is there any discussion?
Is there someone to answer questions? >> Okay. [clears throat]
Um, listening to a lot of uh citizens uh
both in the green area and the the little squares on the top of the page on
the left. Um, do you know where I don't know if this proper to ask or
not, but they've been asking I don't know. Um, do you know where the first
street would go through to exit that property?
So, [clears throat] there's going to be, excuse me, going to be the roadway on
the north north end the 100 north would be the first roadway to go in and it
also connect to the two roadways to the north as well. So there'd be three
points of access >> like right off the bat.
» Right off the bat, you can see the phase line in the middle [clears throat] right
at the north end of the first one.
» So 100 North and their their plan [clears throat] is
to connect it to the existing roadway on 100 North,
» but that road's not built yet. No, it's it ends just in front of that property
over in the Aspen Cove subdivision. >> Yeah,
» there's a a little line right there where the asphalt ends. You can see that
kind of a dotted line. It would continue to that point.
» So, it' exit there and roll down to 775 west
» and then 660 north. >> Okay.
» So, that's one access point. Then the other two roadways going northward would
be the other two access points. So the two at the top of the page. Okay.
» Is that property secured that's off from what is that on 100 north through that
Aspen Cove subdivision right there where it joins. There's a little strip that's
not owned by them, but they've been talking to the owner and she's and
they've been agreeable to part ways with it and allow the roadway
to pass through. >> They're agreeable in what way?
» To allow the purchase to happen and let the the roadway pass through. And
nothing's happened. The zone change has to happen first before they finalize
agreements and see if everything will work out.
So the two exits, the concern that citizens have and also
myself is the two exits going to going north [clears throat] with our new 42
well 60 foot rideway and 42 foot asphalt and actually rolls into those streets.
Do you know how wide those streets are? The asphalt part
Uh right there at the top it would be 42 feet wide.
» Well, I mean >> asking on the on
» going into that property. Oh, to the north.
» How how wide those streets are? >> I don't I I can't tell you. I know it's
it's built for what was standard when when it was built. Their concern is
they're substandard roads um with no curbon gutter um and they're
approximately 28 feet of asphalt. My last measurements. Yeah. So that's
those are the my concerns.
Well, and my concern is that that property hadn't been secured yet for
that other access. It's just a tenative agreement.
» We're not considering the subdivision though. We're considering a zone change.
» So, [clears throat] they can develop it as it sits as an R1 with a few less
houses or lots. The question is is whether R2 or not.
» Okay.
» Well, I'll make a motion for discussion that we leave it at an R1.
It is an R1. >> It's an A1 right now.
» A A1. >> Yeah,
» that was an R1 when they bought it, right? Correct.
» So, we were here a few city councils ago when it was going for R3. And at that
time, it was recommended by the city council to make go to R2, which is why
we're back here requesting the R2.
So, to answer your question, Lyall, it's it's currently zoned as an R as an A1,
» but if they want to do a subdivision with the current zoning, it will it will
treat it like an R1. Does that make sense? They don't have to reszone in
order to subdivide >> an R1.
» It will be treated like an R1. >> Yeah. So, an R1 and A1 are basically the
same >> when it comes to development. Yeah.
» Okay. And they were trying to get the R3,
which is the same, if I'm not mistaken, it's the same as the neighboring
subdivision. They're trying to go for the same zoning. So now we're doing
something a little less dense than what's neighboring. It's it's a
development.
» I just think the citizens around their main concern is like the density
of it and putting all of that traffic through.
And this is not your fault. like their substandard roads, you know, putting all
of those homes and everything through their
through their subdivisions. >> That's I think that's the main thing.
Correct me if I'm wrong you guys, but like the phone calls that I've come that
I have fielded is like they would like not to see as dense as it is around.
Uh, I'd like to ask Dan a question about density. What's the difference in your
calculation of density from A1 to R2? Um, the difference is [clears throat] in
the lot size for single family residences.
Um,
if if there's R2, so their proposed subdivision is single family residences.
Obviously, they could change it and do do something else with twin homes or
something. From a single family resident standpoint, if these parcels were were
at the minimum of 7,500 square ft, um it would be one thing. The the reality is
is the parcels average probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 82
8,300. There's parcels that are close to R1. They're almost 10,000 square feet.
There's a bunch of parcels that are larger than 8,000. There's a few parcels
that are smaller, just smaller than 8,000. 78 78 78. And um these
[clears throat] are the smallest ones on this right side.
Um these parcels, there used to be four here. Now there's three. So, um,
anyways, my point is is they they're getting 35
parcels in the subdivision laid out. They could go smaller, but
that's the way they've laid it out with parcels about that large. So, if they if
they if we don't approve the zone change and it stays A1, they're basically going
to have to force them to do 10,000 square foot lots instead of like 80,
whatever the average is of all those. I ran the math figuring that see if it
averages about 8,200 it basically means um a couple less lots
like in the neighborhood of I don't know four or five lots less but effectively
it's going to look pretty similar um if you just if you add up the acreage
divided by 35 then divide it back out by 10,000 um it instead of 35, it's
probably, I don't know, 28, 29. I don't know. I'm not not laying out their
subdivision. I'm just trying to do raw math. So, you may squeeze a little bit
of density out of there, but it's already not as dense as it could be
under R2. That's my point. >> But that's under their [clears throat]
proposal now. But it could be denser. I mean, there is the possibility of that.
So, if they were to come back with a with twin homes, twin homes uh require
10,000 square feet for both homes to sit on, giving you effective density of
5,000 square feet per lot is the maximum. Um, obviously that's more homes
in there than this. Um, so yeah, theoretically it could come back with a
different thing and be 5,000 square foot per residential unit.
Okay, we have a motion to leave it at A1 with no zone change, but we I don't
believe we had a second. >> I second it.
» Okay, we have a motion in a second to leave it as without zone change is A1.
Is there any more discussion?
And all those in favor of the motion on the table, please say I.
» I. >> I.
» I. >> Any opposed?
» I. >> No. I'm I.
» Excuse. What was your vote, Council Member?
» It was a no vote. No. >> Okay. So, three to one. So,
» no. I voted with the rest of you. >> Oh, you vote I.
» I voted I. I just >> that's why I asked for clarification.
I'm sorry. So >> the vote was unanimous. So there will be
no zone change. It'll remain A1. >> Okay.
» Thank you. >> Thank you.
Uh the next item for business is item number 10. Consider cooperative land
realignment, road dedication and property exchange agreement with Lance
Shotwell relating to parcels A-491-
0491-00002
and a-492-000014-0000.
Okay. [clears throat] Is there any presentation on this?
» Yeah. So, we did have a conversation about it. Gave a pretty good
presentation last time just moving forward to work. I mean to action, but
I'm wondering if anybody had I I did show the
the diagram last time, did I not? >> Yeah, you did.
» Um and and and explained it. I just wondering if the council has any um
has any questions um on this before we start down the path of all of the steps
to do this. At the end, of course, the council will have the option whether or
not to trade the property. We've just got to do a lot of work to massage it
and abandon roads and and define new roads and redraw property boundaries in
order to make it happen. And we just need to have an agreement as we start on
that process. So, You're not agreeing to trade the
property yet. That's the last step. >> Yeah.
» I'll just say I talked to Dan about this a couple of times because I was
concerned and I support this. I I I looked at all the different situations
and all and the the reasoning and and what would the city would gain and
versus and what would be resolved. And so I I support this exchange.
Well, I'll move to approve the cooperative land realignment road
dedication and property exchange agreement with Lance Shockwell relating
to the parcels that were stated. >> I'll second it.
It's been moved and seconded that we consider cooperative land realignment
road dedication and proper exchange agreement with Lance Shotwell relating
to the parcels as stated. All those in favor
» I >> I
» any opposed it vote is unanimous. So,
» Kelly, I'm going to send it back to you. >> It is approved to consider this land
exchange to proceed anyway. Okay. Uh we will now go to the work
agenda which involves I guess we go right to
reports. So, I don't know. Council member Topham,
do you want to start? >> I would love to start. All right. I I
attended a theater board meeting. They talked about um all of the people who
are booking the theater. It seems like we've got a pretty good list of um
events and things that are happening in the theater with like a homeschool
academy and Beacon Academy and such. Um one thing that I do want to put out to
the public is that we're having a really hard time finding people that want to
direct plays in Peruan. Um, and so as of right now, we don't have another play
that is scheduled for this year that's put on by the community theater board.
So if you are somebody who would like to direct a play or anything, get with me,
get with Jet Smith, get with Jennifer Terry. Um, we'll get you on the
uh theater agenda and we will talk about it. There are a few for the following
year, like for 2027 and even in 2028 that we're going to do, but there's
nothing for the remainder of this year. So, um, that's sad. So, I just want to
shout that out there. So, >> hopefully we can get some people.
» So, that could change if they >> It could change if somebody
» just didn't realize that they could do that. Maybe. Um, I know Shelley Porter
has reached out to all of her contacts and and such and she's coming up dry, so
we need some good people who want to direct some plays.
» Okay. >> Anything else?
» Um, no. >> Okay. Thank you, Council Member Barton.
» Uh, yeah, just an update. We were able to attend the UMS. Uh Ronnie rode up
with me for a couple of days and Dan and Jeremy were there and couple of
takeaways. We are short short of power and short of transmission lines moving
forward into the next years and there's a lot of good ideas to solve a lot of
those problems. But it's going to take a lot of work and it's going to be an
uphill battle. But the thing I was amazed about was how well received Dan
and Jeremy are. They're very wellliked and and respected
through those channels. So, I think we got a we got great people in there.
» Were you more surprised that I was wellliked or Jeremy?
» Well, Jere I was Jeremy. I was like everybody knows him, hugging on him and
like respect. I mean, not that I was surprised, but it was just
» it was just neat to see. [clears throat] >> There's a lot that Jeremy does on the
various boards of the various projects and he's a he's a chairman of of a of a
UMP's board. That's really important. It takes a lot of administrative stuff to
be involved in Uamps and Jeremy carries the lion share of it. He he really does.
A lot of cities, they will pay a former mayor or former city manager or somebody
that was involved for years just to keep current with everything going on with
you Amps. And we're fortunate to have Jeremy do that. He does a great I agree.
I will say that we need to protect him because everybody up there wants him
back or wants to get him. So anyway, >> I I can veto his retirement or his being
poached. I I tell him that all the time. Okay. Thank you.
» Anything else? >> That's it for me.
» Council member Dean. >> Uh planning and zoning was cancelled. So
I had it pretty easy for the last two weeks.
» That's it. I don't have anything. I think Dan's
going to cover what I, you know, as far as the water. So,
» yeah, I've got a few things. Um, first thing I'm going to start with, um,
hopefully good news. Uh, next Thursday, um, we will be we're on the agenda for
CIB to go up and ask and make our presentation for um, hopefully grant
funds for the library. Um, hopefully they'll give us grant money. we may have
to take a loan or a partial loan, partial grant.
They are they sent a letter out to a bunch of cities and said, "Please
reconsider even applying. We don't have enough money to to loan grant out." Um,
probably better for you to stay home. And luckily, we didn't get one of those
letters, but Marcus, our our you guys met Marcus when we appointed our
municipal adviser, he says he's never seen an agenda this big with requests
from CIB. Um, and we are number 25 of 27 people
that will go in front of that board to ask for funding. So, we've been game
planning that and getting ready. Uh, Marcus feels good about it. Um,
hopefully it it goes well. I will not be in attendance. I could not believe that
it when we got the agenda that it's the exact same day of my knee surgery and
I've been waiting for like eight months. So, I can't reschedule. So, Molly's
going and Molly is the secret weapon when it comes to
» She really is >> getting getting people to commit stuff
to the city. >> It's true.
» And Corey's going and um we we might have Jerry there. Um if but they only
give us two to three minutes. And I mean I love Molly. This is not a diss on
Molly. If you think Molly can keep it to under three minutes when she talked
about passionately about Perwin City and the community center, I don't know.
» Said no one ever. >> So, um, and Marcus will be there, of
course, to steer us. Right. So, that's happening next week. Um, hopefully,
fingers crossed that goes well. [clears throat] Um, that was positive
fun. Hopefully, the next one is the bridge. I am just really extremely
frustrated. um Inbridge the gas company in case anybody doesn't know keep track
of what they've changed their name to this week. They have decided that they
have to get update the um um stream alteration permit even though
there's a stream alteration permit to cover the prog process that originally
they were going to bore the new gas line under the the road that it is just too
many boulders and stuff which is smart. I didn't know how they were going to
ever bore it. I figured they were going to get midbore and have to trench it.
Well, they've now determined after doing their potholeing and stuff that they are
going to have to trench it. Unfortunately, federal money, UD do
process, they now have to modify the stream alteration permit, which they
probably won't get that done until October.
» I'm just beyond frustrated. Um, we're going to get a bridge, but I can't
honestly say exactly when. So, what does that do with like all of our funding and
stuff that we've >> funding is good. U DOT's already expand
extended it. We luckily had a a large buffer because our we got such good
bids, but I'm guessing I mean I who knows what'll happen if if we didn't
have that buffer. I would really be sweating bullets.
We're going to get a bridge and I and and and it should get done under what
the funding that we have. It's just we want this thing done yesterday and we're
just sick of it being delayed. But that's what we're looking at. Just found
out that today. I knew that they were questioning the stream alteration
permit, but I just saw today that that they are for sure going to have to
reapply. And so and the state takes 30 days on an accelerated time frame to get
that modified. Um the diversion, uh we did have a a a
scare with the diversion. Actually had part of the project flood. um in recent
floods and um there was there was a little bit of
friction afterwards trying to figure things out between our engineer and the
and the soils um engineer and the the uh contractor and ourselves, but I think
we're back on track. um that they had to uh go down and remove a bunch of
material and put material back on. Specifically, the the bedding that this
the the the filter material that that keeps um any any dirt from getting into
the the drain line because you the drain line needs to take water out from under
the structure, but we don't want any any sort of dirt to go through because it'll
eventually erode. So, they had to make sure that the the fabric and there's a
specific type of sand and everything that filters all that out. They had to
make sure that was okay. They had to clean out the the lines and and and they
had to take out a bunch of material that had been installed just on the dirt burm
or the dirt portion of the dam. So, um they're back on track. That was going to
probably delay them a little bit. Um and but but but JP was just eager to get
going. In fact, some of the frustration was they wanted to immediately get
building and we needed the engineers to make sure we figured out and which we
needed them to press pause and figure out to do it right. We don't want to
have a dam that's leaking or is is somehow um
um not built to the standard it's supposed to be. So, um we're we're back
on track there. Um, the last thing that I have to share is that the reservoir
company turned the Yankee out um, today, which means we should get water
tomorrow. Um, is 20 turns a full turnout?
» It's It's hitting the weird right now. >> Just barely got a text just now that the
weird is a five. >> So, the water is has got here this
evening. >> So, I think that and obviously there's
only a certain amount of water. It only gained about 3 feet in elevation during
the time it was off. >> Yeah.
» Um I I'm guessing the farmers are making a big push to to get a last big cutting
out of it. Aldo and I talked, do we go back to a two-day a week watering
because we'll probably maybe have the water and I what I told Aldo is I said
I'll prepare all the communications and if we see that it actually starts
overflowing and we're at that point we may as well be using the water that
point maybe we'll go back. from a red to a yellow status. But probably my guess
only for a few weeks, three weeks. >> I think with the rains and whatever and
just leave it the way it is for now. I think it's going to be shortlived. And I
really think as far as a the farmer standpoint, we we're going to try to get
across with one good watering and then shut it off for the season would be my
guess. Just just to hedge our bet for another dry winter.
» If if we don't and that's fine. We cannot do that. People are going to
complain that water's pouring over the overflow and we're on one day a week,
but that's the tricky thing. It's moving fast back and forth and the confusion.
We we don't want to move between the numbers very often. But that's the
that's the conundrum. So, for the time being,
» well, that being said, I think you could probably open it back up to two. I think
you I think we'll be two weeks cuz we'll have Robinson Reservoir and then we'll
be able to call for Brian Head Pond which is not much but it it adds some
water. >> Does it?
» So I think we'll have good water for for two weeks at least
» if let's see it's the end of August. If we get another we stretch it two two
three weeks. >> Yeah.
» About when it gets shut >> about when we shut it off anyways.
» Yeah. >> So so that's the last of my updates.
» Okay. Thank you. How about Calie? Do you have anything?
» How about you, Scott?
» Okay. Thank Thank you. >> Is that your report?
» Okay. Thank you. [clears throat] >> Now we're on the record. Scott's being
serious. >> Okay. Um, do we have a close session?
» We do. We need to go into close. >> Oh, well. [clears throat] Okay. Well, I
thought we were going to hit a record here. So,
» we we we couldn't hit a record without Molly here.
» Okay. Okay. >> Throwing a monkey wrench.
» Anyway. Okay. Uh, I'll entertain a motion to go into close session.
» Can I ask? need to discuss strategy sessions to discuss pending or imminent
litigation. >> I'll make a motion to go into close
session as Dan has stated. >> I second it.
» Okay, it's been moved and seconded that we go into close session to discuss the
items that Dan has listed. I guess roll call vote.
» Rochelle Top and I. David Burton I Bart I
» John D I >> Okay, thank you for coming everyone. I'm
sorry I didn't invite everyone and welcome everybody at the beginning like
Molly does, but we're glad you