1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:03,640 You are 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,960 actually 3 00:00:10,639 --> 00:00:13,880 one minute 4 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,875 there. [laughter] 5 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:37,800 I heard you're serving dinner tonight, too. 6 00:00:38,559 --> 00:00:43,940 » Yeah. >> Seriously? 7 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,940 [laughter] 8 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:48,440 » Oh my 9 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,320 good. 10 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,760 You >> ready? 11 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:13,920 » All right. We'll call the meeting to order for the Paroin Planning and Zoning 12 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:18,640 Commission for September 2nd, 2026. Are there any uh conflicts of today's agenda 13 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:22,720 by any commission members? >> Nothing. 14 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,720 » Nothing. Nothing for me. 15 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:31,119 We'll move into approval of the minutes from the August 5th, 2026 meeting. Do 16 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:35,119 everyone have a chance to look at those? Do we have any comments, edits, 17 00:01:33,119 --> 00:01:39,920 corrections, additions? >> I was not in attendance and I did not 18 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:48,600 watch online, so I have no comments to make. No corrections to make. 19 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,600 » Don't tell Molly though. 20 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:56,720 I don't have anything. >> Uh, no, I'm fine. 21 00:01:54,560 --> 00:02:02,640 » Entertain a motion. A motion to approve the those minutes. 22 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:08,399 » I move to approve the minutes. >> I approve. I second. 23 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:09,520 » Any further discussion? All in favor? >> I 24 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:14,680 » I. >> Any oppose? Eyes have it. 25 00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:22,400 All right, we'll move into our public comment 26 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:28,720 portion of the meeting. Anyone, any members of the public have comments? 27 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:31,720 Let it be known. No. 28 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:44,319 Have anything sent in or anything for this? No, 29 00:02:40,879 --> 00:02:48,640 » nothing I know of. Kelly. >> Okay. 30 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:54,239 And let's move to item five, a discussion on upcoming annexation 31 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:58,760 petition and zoning recommendation. Okay. I'm going to steal the screen, 32 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,760 Kelly. 33 00:03:00,959 --> 00:03:12,400 The city has had two different petitions um to annex 34 00:03:09,519 --> 00:03:18,879 and um the city council formally accepted the petitions and all that 35 00:03:14,959 --> 00:03:27,840 means is that we are now reviewing them. Um they will be certified um by 36 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:34,319 uh Cali. We we're just checking on a on a legal um thing on one of them. We have 37 00:03:31,599 --> 00:03:39,200 30 days to certify it after it's been a petitions and all that we're saying is 38 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:44,159 that it we're certifying that it is um legal and fits all requirements so 39 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:49,840 that we could annex it if we want to. Right. So, we've been reviewing that. Uh 40 00:03:47,519 --> 00:03:54,000 Scott was here today. He couldn't make it to tonight's meeting, but he was here 41 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:57,439 today for a while and we went through that. We're trying to work through a a 42 00:03:55,840 --> 00:04:04,720 legal issue on the one to make sure it's legal to annex them. However, um 43 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:11,120 I do anticipate that both of them will be certified after we work out this one 44 00:04:07,599 --> 00:04:17,519 potential issue. Um and at that point, we'll be reviewing them. They will sit 45 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:22,800 in a 30-day protest period. um where 46 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:27,040 affected entities which are the county, the school 47 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:33,600 district, any utility companies or whatever have have a chance to protest 48 00:04:29,280 --> 00:04:38,240 it. And also um a notice will be sent to all unincorporated 49 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:43,680 parcels within a half mile radius. notice is not 50 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:47,040 sent to um 51 00:04:45,280 --> 00:04:51,919 parcels that are already inside city limits. 52 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:57,600 That's the way the state code reads. And that I I believe the reasoning for that 53 00:04:54,720 --> 00:05:02,479 is um an annexation can affect other 54 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:07,440 incorporated areas if you are being forced to be annexed or it could affect 55 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:12,400 somehow how it how it relates to an unincorporated 56 00:05:09,039 --> 00:05:16,880 parcel. Um, and but the stupid thing is when it comes to 57 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:22,800 property owners, the only ones that can officially protest it are rural real 58 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:26,800 real property owners. And as defined, it's like massive acreage. It's like 59 00:05:25,039 --> 00:05:31,680 they did this weird little carveout when they when they created this in state 60 00:05:29,280 --> 00:05:36,320 code. So almost nobody can can really protest it 61 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:41,039 other than the affected entities. And theoretically, there could be some very 62 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:46,080 large land owners that nearby that could protest it. Anyways, doesn't matter 63 00:05:43,840 --> 00:05:50,080 because it'll have a public hearing and anybody from anybody can show up and say 64 00:05:48,639 --> 00:05:54,240 anything they want to say. It's just the the legal protest is a very technical 65 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:58,639 thing in the annexation. After we're done with a protest period, we schedule 66 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:06,000 a public hearing where the city council will hear a public hearing. Um, 67 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:09,520 and then we will, if the city council's kind of interested in doing the 68 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:13,199 annexation, we'll negotiate with an annexation agreement. Annexation 69 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:18,160 agreement is not required by state code, but it is mentioned in our annexation 70 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:22,319 policy plan. So, we work on that. Um, the policy plan also says that planning 71 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:27,600 commission will recommend a zone because that's how we create zones or change 72 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:31,680 zones. So, we look at the zone, make a recommendation to city council. Um, so 73 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:36,400 what we're what we're talking about doing is just kind of running this 74 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:41,520 process, this dual process, because nowhere in state code does it mention 75 00:06:39,039 --> 00:06:45,919 that we have to go to planning commission for a zone or that we even 76 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:51,840 have to assign it a zone at time of annexation. Our policy plan does. So 77 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:56,319 that's we're going to run both processes concurrently, meaning we're going to be 78 00:06:54,400 --> 00:07:01,520 discussing it. We're going to make a zoning recommendation so that by the 79 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:05,520 time the city council is ready to move forward with 80 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:10,800 um a potential annexation agreement, they already have planning commission 81 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:14,720 zoning recommendation. Make sense? So, all we're doing tonight is 82 00:07:12,959 --> 00:07:21,759 [clears throat] I'm going to go over the annexation petition, their re their um 83 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:26,160 requested zone, and just kind of let you guys soak in that for a little bit. 84 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:31,440 Think about it. let your thoughts reminisce and then we'll schedule a 85 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:37,039 public hearing to hear um the public's input and then have a um actual 86 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:43,680 recommendation in a future meeting. We have more than 30 days to to spend a 87 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:47,039 meeting or two on this till we're till we have our zoning recommendation. So, I 88 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:50,319 didn't invite [clears throat] any of the applicants to this meeting. We're not 89 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,759 going to get into anything heavy. I'm just going to kind of do a review so 90 00:07:52,080 --> 00:08:00,400 that you guys are aware that we're going to be having the conversation. So 91 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:05,360 a having said that, I don't know if you care which one we 92 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:11,840 talk about first. We have two proposed annexations. [clears throat] The one is 93 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:15,520 up by um >> heroin's misspelled 94 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:19,280 » Heritage Hills. Yep. Hey, you got a keen eye, Jerry. You're not the first one 95 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:22,400 that's noticed that, but you're the second. You're the first one that saw it 96 00:08:21,039 --> 00:08:27,199 so fast. >> Peran is misspelled. So, we almost 97 00:08:25,039 --> 00:08:32,479 denied their petition outright. We joked about it. 98 00:08:28,879 --> 00:08:36,560 » They got to fix that. If you're familiar with Heritage Hills 99 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:41,360 subdivision out on Old Highway 91, 100 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:43,680 » right out kind of near the outskirts of town, 101 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,320 » there's this road that comes all the way up. And most of these lots have houses 102 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,160 on them. >> Allergen company. 103 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:53,839 » What's that? >> Allergen company. That's never 104 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:57,839 » Okay. Sure. This is what we just affectionately call the the Wheeler 105 00:08:55,519 --> 00:09:01,040 subdivision or sometimes the Tracy Wheeler subdivision, although it wasn't 106 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,560 just Tracy. They're the ones that developed this piece. And we have talked 107 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:08,480 about these two pieces for other things. This is nothing to do with the Wheelers 108 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:15,200 even though it says Heritage Hills on the application. It is because Heritage 109 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:20,000 Hills holdings LLC is the property owner of these two parcels. 110 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:24,080 Um, you can see this dotted line right here. 111 00:09:21,839 --> 00:09:32,080 This is the current city limits which goes kind of down on the on the east and 112 00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:37,600 the north boundaries. So they want to they want to annex in this property here 113 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:43,519 which would take us right up to the BLM and um and then this property is not 114 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:48,959 part of it. Um it is within the annexation 115 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:55,839 declaration area. It is contiguous to city limits and um and so it's been 116 00:09:52,959 --> 00:09:59,120 accepted to review it. There's this big huge barn up here. You guys may have 117 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:04,800 seen that barn. Mhm. >> And there is a home right here which is 118 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:10,480 currently on the property. Um, >> who owns the home? 119 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:13,680 » Heritage Hills Holdings LLC. I don't know who the owners are. We've only ever 120 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:17,920 dealt with the engineer. >> Used to be the Rick. I believe it was 121 00:10:15,839 --> 00:10:23,519 owned by the comp by the same company that had the um 122 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:26,800 boys home up on Brian Head because here we used to have parking issues where all 123 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:32,959 their employees would park across from these houses. Um we had a lot of 124 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:36,720 complaints about that four years ago. And then I think they I I don't know if 125 00:10:34,959 --> 00:10:39,680 it's the same owners or if they sold the property. I know they shut that business 126 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:43,360 down. So again, I don't know if they sold the property or same owners or 127 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:49,120 different owners, but I don't know who the owners are. 128 00:10:45,279 --> 00:10:53,600 Anyways, um so you know when the day comes if we annex 129 00:10:51,839 --> 00:10:59,519 them, we'll have to have some serious conversations about subdivisions. Um you 130 00:10:56,880 --> 00:11:03,680 know things like they are in the WOOI wildland urban interface. They are 131 00:11:01,839 --> 00:11:06,880 getting very high in elevation to where potentially fire flow could be an issue 132 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:12,320 and things like that. We're going to make sure that we set their expectations 133 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:18,640 very well during annexation agreement time so that if they do get annexed in 134 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:23,920 that that they don't have expectations of something they're not ever going to 135 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:27,920 get approved. Um I have had sitdown meetings with the engineer a time or two 136 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:31,600 and they're well aware of of those challenges. Um I don't know if they're 137 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:37,120 well well aware of what what our code says but things like multiple ingress 138 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:44,000 egress. Um if you remember we recently had a fire. 139 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:50,320 We had a fire right here >> about two weeks ago. Luckily 140 00:11:47,839 --> 00:11:54,640 right as the fire started a rainstorm opened up and dowsted it. We but we had 141 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:59,360 us and BLM and everybody there and it burned a couple of trees. Had the 142 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:04,640 conditions been differently, it easily could have just ran through here. Um, we 143 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:11,600 also had a fire chase up this mountain and um, recently 144 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:15,519 um, they called that whatever this name of this street is was the name of the 145 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:19,760 fire. And that one was scary. I mean, this was within 100 feet of these cabins 146 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:25,600 up here. And there was really only one way in and one way out. And our fire 147 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:29,360 chief was like, "This just scares the heck out of me. This is how people get 148 00:12:27,279 --> 00:12:33,519 killed. You've got to have multiple ingress and egress, even if there's not 149 00:12:31,279 --> 00:12:37,120 that many homes when you're building in the WOOI like this. It's just, you know, 150 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:41,839 on the hillsides and things like that. So, he's aware of it. They're aware of 151 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:44,800 it. Um, but that's not what we're looking at. What we're looking at is 152 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:50,320 zoning. Now, what makes this one interesting, 153 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:54,800 and if you're a planning geek or nerd like I am, and I think maybe you guys 154 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:58,600 are, otherwise you wouldn't be on this. This one's kind of cool. 155 00:12:58,803 --> 00:13:03,399 [clears throat] If you look at our bloom, 156 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:08,600 does anybody know what the color green is? 157 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,920 Stands for reason. It must be. 158 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:22,360 So, we have a as a guess. Any other guesses? Larry, you might know this one. 159 00:13:23,039 --> 00:13:27,800 [clears throat] >> John Deere. 160 00:13:24,399 --> 00:13:27,800 » John Deere. 161 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:36,639 » John Dean has heard it recently because I discussed it in a prior meeting. 162 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:41,360 » Isn't it um five aces? 163 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:44,320 » It's not rural estates. Well, that's a zone. 164 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:51,680 » Okay. What we in our plan call it is open space open space slashlimited 165 00:13:47,839 --> 00:13:54,680 development. Okay. Now what does that mean? 166 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,880 Um 167 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:07,839 and you'll notice what is green. Most of this is actually BLM here in 168 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:14,720 this area and is not even will ever be developed. You do have some and this is 169 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:18,000 all BLM that that chases up here. Eventually you get up there, you get to 170 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:24,240 some private space. This is the almost the rare area that's in our general plan 171 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:29,360 that is private property that has that same thing. [clears throat] Now again, 172 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:35,519 we know that the general plan is is a plan. It is a not a controlling 173 00:14:31,519 --> 00:14:39,360 document, but it is a it is a a a what educating document. and it is is what 174 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:46,079 the planning commission should look at for the source of of what what should be 175 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:49,440 done. Um, and [clears throat] if you wanted to go read the general plan and 176 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:53,600 find out if there's any more information in that, but I told them that I said 177 00:14:51,920 --> 00:15:01,279 this is an interesting one because it's not light density, which is yellow. It's 178 00:14:56,000 --> 00:15:09,360 open space limited development. So, what did zone did they request? Drum roll. 179 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:12,360 They have requested >> A1. 180 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:17,320 They have requested a zone of A1. 181 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:22,720 And what they have said to city council when they were here doing their 182 00:15:21,199 --> 00:15:28,560 annexation is that they want there's that huge 183 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:33,839 barn. They want to build some very large lots, very rural, very spaced out large 184 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:39,680 lots that people can have horse property and have I think they're going to do 185 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:46,000 some sort of a ownership or or or time share into that barn. They want to 186 00:15:42,079 --> 00:15:52,435 create kind of this high-end horse equestrian type subdivision. 187 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,435 So [clears throat] 188 00:15:53,199 --> 00:16:01,360 um that's the request A1. Um you can see here the current city 189 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:09,440 boundaries is the cross-hatched area and this was the the cross the um diagonal 190 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:14,160 slashed area is the annexation boundary. So that's about all the information I 191 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:18,800 have. Any questions, thoughts in just this is just to put it on your radar is 192 00:16:16,639 --> 00:16:23,040 really all we're doing tonight. I'd say go read the general plan. Go 193 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:29,040 look into that. You start thinking whether A1 fits 194 00:16:25,839 --> 00:16:33,680 um that kind of [clears throat] general plan. Does it fit the development that's 195 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:40,480 been in there and going around there? Um, we do have, if you look at what's 196 00:16:37,519 --> 00:16:45,199 actually built and developed, you have some of these homes where people have 197 00:16:42,079 --> 00:16:55,120 done a here's a shared drive and built a home on 22 acres and a home on 22 acres. 198 00:16:50,160 --> 00:17:00,800 You have uh my pals, the Heatens, Dennis and Latoy Latana 199 00:16:57,839 --> 00:17:05,039 um who have built um and you have kind of these 200 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:09,039 you know larger rural type homes. That's 201 00:17:07,706 --> 00:17:11,679 [clears throat] that's pretty much consistent with what they're telling us 202 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:16,799 they want to do. If the fact that they've asked for R1 tells you now R1 203 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:22,559 you could build oneacre lots. Now, I will say much of this is hillside 204 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:26,799 development. You get past about right here and it gets pretty steep. 205 00:17:25,391 --> 00:17:31,760 [clears throat] In other words, there probably won't be able to do very much 206 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:36,240 density in there anyways. You get above a certain elevation and they don't have 207 00:17:33,679 --> 00:17:40,320 fire flow. So, they can't out they can't out build where they can have fire 208 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:44,799 hydrants. Um, but you could have the fire hydrant 209 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:48,720 at the bottom of a of a of a driveway and as long as the house is so many feet 210 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:52,799 from it and things like that, right? And you could even put your house up above 211 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:58,559 that if they put their own pressure pump in on after the meter. We're not going 212 00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:03,760 to put agree to anything that we would pressurize 213 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:08,240 our own system. We would not ever want fireflow to be dependent on a pressure 214 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:11,840 pump working that day, right? And power to pump it and stuff like that. So 215 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:15,440 there's going to be some natural constraints as to what sort of density 216 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:19,520 they build up here anyways and they know that they're realistic about that. So 217 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:24,799 anyways, that's that one. Any other questions? 218 00:18:21,919 --> 00:18:31,919 » I have none. >> Okay, the other one, the annexation plat 219 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:36,840 is here. I'm going to show you where on the map 220 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:36,840 it is first. 221 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:47,120 Um, this is this odd piece. Um, I call it a key and it literally looks like a 222 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:50,880 key. You see this dotted line that comes down here, chases up the freeway. This 223 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:56,960 is right by 400 North where it goes under the freeway and then it comes down 224 00:18:53,120 --> 00:19:01,440 600 West keyholes down around this and back up and out. So, now that you're 225 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:06,240 familiar with where it is in the city and the shape of it, now I'll show you 226 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:14,640 the annexation petition and you'll see the same thing, right? 227 00:19:09,919 --> 00:19:19,520 Um, this is uh owned by Dave Co. LLC. Um, actually, what we're trying to get 228 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:25,840 to the bottom of is related to this. There's a there's two parcels and the 229 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:30,640 petition only had one parcel on it. Yet the annexation plat has two on it. And 230 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:35,360 the reason is because originally the county said that they can't leave this 231 00:19:32,559 --> 00:19:38,960 little one acre as an island of unincorporated. 232 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:42,640 I didn't pick up on it when they submitted the annexation paperwork 233 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:48,160 because it matched exactly the certificate 234 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:52,559 certification of notice. Their their their certi their petition requests 235 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:57,440 matched the certificate of notice, but neither of them match the annexation 236 00:19:54,320 --> 00:20:03,679 plat. So I I think there's a good chance the county will officially protest it 237 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:08,000 and want that one acre lot included. Um, and but I know that the the primary 238 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:12,880 sponsor of this had already talked to them and they were okay with annexing at 239 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:18,640 one point. So, it may just be a a case of fixing the paperwork and including um 240 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:23,760 and updating the paperwork, making sure we're good with state law on that and 241 00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:28,640 then and then including it for both parcels. 242 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:32,080 um unless the other parcel doesn't want to annex and then we have to look into 243 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:36,720 the math and see if they can be compelled to annex or not. So, we just 244 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:42,400 got to work through that little little issue. Um from what I've been told, they 245 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:46,559 were fine with annexing it. The only the only question was back when they were 246 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:52,080 required to bring water rights, we now have an ordinance that if you're forced 247 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:56,960 to annex not by your own accord, we can annex it and bring it in as a dry lot. 248 00:20:54,720 --> 00:21:01,679 So it comes in without water rights, but it is not entitled to any water until 249 00:20:59,919 --> 00:21:04,880 they bring us a water right for it. And that's what we had to do with the Alex 250 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:09,600 Meiser annexation. There was a couple of lots that came in that are now in the 251 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:14,559 city, but they're dry. So that's actually not a concern and I 252 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:18,559 think that was the only little wrinkle, but I I'm not sure why it ended up not 253 00:21:16,559 --> 00:21:23,440 coming in on the annexation plat. So I mean the annexation petition paperwork. 254 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:29,709 So we've got to look into that. But um what makes this one interesting besides 255 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:33,520 that is um is the zone request. [clears throat] 256 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:38,480 I'm just going to show you back to our future land use map. 257 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:41,360 You can see the uh I don't know why they call a black and white line a 258 00:21:39,679 --> 00:21:44,559 caterpillar line, but you can see that caterpillar 259 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:49,120 line. Maybe it's because it looks like a monarch butterfly caterpillar. 260 00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:54,400 Um and you see that there you got this orange color and you got this yellow 261 00:21:50,799 --> 00:22:00,480 color. Um the orange is medium density residential and the yellow is light 262 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:07,919 density residential. Um the uh owner of the property coming into 263 00:22:03,360 --> 00:22:13,840 annex. Um this is transacted transsected by the um by a future 264 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:21,600 planned frontage road which comes right through here and and goes under to 400 265 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:26,720 north. And um basically he like depending on where the city wants that 266 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:33,280 road, it really fouls up my plans. He is requesting multiple zones. 267 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:39,919 He's requesting a commercial zone on part of it and a residential zone on 268 00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:46,080 another part of it. Um so the actual petition said commercial, industrial, 269 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:51,360 residential and the commercial industrial is because 270 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:54,960 um this is the same property owner that 271 00:22:53,039 --> 00:22:58,960 owns property on 200 South where he's got all that tree maintenance equipment 272 00:22:56,400 --> 00:23:02,880 out there, a track hole and tree trimming and stuff like that. He wants 273 00:23:01,039 --> 00:23:08,480 to build a metal building and and basically house that business there. and 274 00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:12,320 and and what he said was right up against the freeway um to have a metal 275 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:17,280 building where he can put his tree trimming business and stuff is is not 276 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:21,679 too incompatible with the land uses around it. That's of course what his 277 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:26,400 main pitch is. The question is is where that road was going to go could really 278 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:30,159 foul up his plans. And so we invited him to say, "What do 279 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:35,679 you want to do with the road?" And we'll look at it. Um, I've spent a a bunch of 280 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:40,520 time with um the city engineer 281 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:49,280 recently in looking at this because 282 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:54,240 this is kind of the the crux of the whole thing. Well, zoning and that road. 283 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:58,240 If you guys remember the transportation master plan, it's been a minute since 284 00:23:55,600 --> 00:24:01,840 you saw it. We actually spent a fair amount of time debating this when with 285 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:08,240 the engineer when we adopted the transportation master plan because um 286 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:14,159 the existing 600 West road comes right down here and it's kind of this blind 287 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:18,559 lefthand turn or blind right hand turn with traffic coming underneath. They 288 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:25,360 recommending us pushing that road out to here and scooping out through this 289 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:30,880 property and then slowly getting back closer to the freeway. Right. Of course, 290 00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:35,679 it makes this whole pie wedge kind of useless property. So, 291 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,360 and and I said, "What would you rather do? Would you rather push the road 292 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:42,960 farther out so you can use property on both sides of the road?" and he said, 293 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:49,039 "No, I would like to keep the road right against the freeway and then do what you 294 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:54,559 got to do in here." So, [clears throat] um, went out, talked with our engineer, 295 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:58,640 went out, looked at it, walked the site, literally 296 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:06,400 parked and backed in down into the weeds into here. Um they got on it, surveyed 297 00:25:01,919 --> 00:25:11,760 um and looked at um turning radiuses and um sight distances and depending on the 298 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:19,000 speed of this road and have come to the conclusion that it is possible following 299 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:19,000 good engineering standards 300 00:25:19,360 --> 00:25:31,760 to move the road over by the freeway. as long as that road is only intended to 301 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:37,039 be a 25 mph road, which is the plan. Anyways, 302 00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:41,760 I'm slowing down because I'm pulling up a um 303 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:49,360 a document to show you that. Why did I not save it in the my near annexation? 304 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:52,960 I'll find it. Anyways, basically the the road would stay right against the 305 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:58,000 freeway and then right towards the end of the property, it would start kind of 306 00:25:55,039 --> 00:26:02,559 an S and it would come out and then it would come in like this and tie right in 307 00:26:00,159 --> 00:26:07,440 like this. So, it would it would use up the least amount of his property and put 308 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:11,600 the road against the freeway only at kind of about almost twothirds of the 309 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:16,480 way through the property would start its arc and come out here like this. And 310 00:26:13,919 --> 00:26:23,679 those curves work as long as a 25 mph property. I mean road. The reason why um 311 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:28,000 25 mph is is what we will plan on is because this frontage road goes through 312 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:32,400 this residential neighborhood and they will have residential driveways going 313 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:37,120 out onto that road. >> Even though it's a little wider of a 314 00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:40,559 road, um a 25 mph recommended road to have driveways going out onto it. We 315 00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:47,200 wouldn't want to get the get them faster than that with with driveways. So it's a 316 00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:52,559 minor collector, which is the smallest um road that's upsized from a local 317 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:56,799 road, right? So, it's if it was a major collector or an arterial, we would 318 00:26:54,640 --> 00:27:01,039 probably just not recommend going 25 mph. We'd also probably not recommend 319 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:05,919 putting driveways out onto it, even though we have those in town. We 320 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:11,919 also have a 100 foot rightway in most of those areas. Anyways, long story short, 321 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:16,320 now that we have a diagram for this, um he said, "Yeah, that actually probably 322 00:27:13,679 --> 00:27:22,799 works for me." Um then it's just a question of who builds what, who deeds 323 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:28,559 what when. Um and zoning is a big those are the two big factors for him. So 324 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:35,360 assume and I asked him I said now that we know that road could work in that 325 00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:38,799 area from the city engineer where do you want commercial and where 326 00:27:36,559 --> 00:27:44,159 do you want residential? By the way residential isn't just residential. Is 327 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:50,720 it R1, R2, R3? A A1 rural estates, you need to tell us 328 00:27:48,159 --> 00:27:55,279 what residential you want and and kind of where the cut off is between the 329 00:27:52,559 --> 00:27:59,600 commercial and the residential. So I've asked him for a diagram that even just 330 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:06,720 says, you know, even just how many feet off of that. The other thing to consider 331 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:10,640 with that is this is one parcel and there's nothing that says that we 332 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:17,440 can't have a parcel that has different zoning on one part than another. 333 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:23,279 but it it's not best practice, right? So, this one has a little bit more to 334 00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:29,919 chew on and think through. Um, again, our general plan shows that, by 335 00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:34,000 the way, the general plan shows two different zones on the same parcel. 336 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,679 Of course, the general plan wasn't really looking super a lot at parcels, 337 00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:43,039 but that's kind of what it did all the way out through here, right? It was more 338 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:47,039 of a concept of we're going to put a certain density against the freeway and 339 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:51,600 a different density as you get away from the freeway. So, are we if we were 340 00:28:50,159 --> 00:28:56,240 comfortable with that in the general plan, are we comfortable with that with 341 00:28:53,760 --> 00:29:00,480 the actual zoning recommendation too? Only instead of 342 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,600 residential of one density and residential of a different density, it's 343 00:29:01,919 --> 00:29:08,559 commercial of commercial and then residential of some density. Um, I 344 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:12,559 strongly suspect he's going to um well, actually, I don't want to put words into 345 00:29:09,919 --> 00:29:16,399 his mouth. He said he wants to build his house. He wants to build kind of his his 346 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:20,240 retirement home, but I don't know what kind of zone he's going to request. He 347 00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:23,679 may request R1 and he may request R2. I don't know, three. 348 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:26,640 I don't think he's going to go with a higher density. I think he's going to go 349 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,240 with more of a lower density, but we'll let him request that. [clears throat] 350 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:38,159 And I don't know, maybe he wants to come out to here with commercial. 351 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:45,480 Um anyways, so that's that's that. Um questions, thoughts? 352 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:45,480 Uh what did I miss in my explanation? 353 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:57,200 » You have that uh drawing that you showed me with the the road? Yes. Let me find 354 00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:00,880 that. I thought I had it saved and I know I have it saved. It just wasn't 355 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:04,559 where I expected to have it. I may have to in a pinch hurry already look at my 356 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:07,720 email and get it that way. I know I put it in 357 00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:11,799 maybe I put it in streets. 358 00:30:24,195 --> 00:30:28,799 [sighs] Let me let me just download it from my 359 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:32,600 email again real quick [clears throat] so I'm not on the 360 00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:51,159 Okay. 361 00:30:52,799 --> 00:31:00,080 So Rosenberg is the city's um engineer. You'll see that you'll see that 362 00:30:58,911 --> 00:31:03,760 [clears throat] this is the road. This is actually 363 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:06,880 you're just seeing the rightway, but you're seeing that rightway stay right 364 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:16,640 against the freeway and then it does this S. It turns out actually tease into 365 00:31:11,919 --> 00:31:23,200 um 600 West. Um and if if you remember our transportation master plan, 600 West 366 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:30,399 is planned to someday be um vacated along this portion, 367 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:36,880 but to leave a local road section here connecting. So, you'll notice that the 368 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:41,039 the primary direction of travel without stopping is the frontage road on the 369 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:45,679 master plan. But 370 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:50,240 on this plan, they actually have 600 West being the the the primary. I can't 371 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:55,039 they don't use primary, but they call it the prioritized level um prioritize 372 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:59,120 direction of travel that doesn't have to stop. 373 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:06,320 But you'll also notice that that we have this acreage here. So we can change 374 00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:12,240 between um a road that comes out and and curves to an S and we can use have 600 375 00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:16,799 West stop at some point in the future. we have the the space and the acreage to 376 00:32:14,799 --> 00:32:21,760 be able to um reconfigure that intersection so that 377 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:28,240 it's one way with a T now and it could be one way with a T later um as as 378 00:32:26,399 --> 00:32:33,679 traffic patterns change over time and and we had actually looked at both of 379 00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:39,600 them. But if we do this and we require that exaction from both this property 380 00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:42,960 here, which by the way is will be very soon in front of you in planning 381 00:32:41,039 --> 00:32:47,120 commission for the public hearing. They have a um preliminary application that 382 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:51,039 subdivision review committee's been bouncing back and forth. We've told them 383 00:32:49,039 --> 00:32:56,480 that they're going to need to accommodate 384 00:32:52,880 --> 00:33:02,960 um a road a rightway dedication for this piece. Um and then in the future if when 385 00:33:00,559 --> 00:33:07,919 the time comes we can shift it so that it's this is the primary travel and then 386 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:12,159 it'll look more like an S with a T intersection here and our engineer 387 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:18,080 design both of them within our current engineering standards and both of them 388 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:21,440 fit within that area. So um this was the this is what I sent to the property 389 00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:24,880 owner and I said is this something that you could live with and he said yeah I 390 00:33:23,039 --> 00:33:28,559 think I could live with that. So, I mean, obviously until we have an 391 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:36,240 annexation agreement signed, it's just it's a concept. But if we adopt this, if 392 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:43,519 we really like this as a city, we can update our transportation master 393 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:46,919 plan with this configuration and redraw 394 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:54,799 this yellow line to match it and adopt it. That way whenever it takes 395 00:33:53,039 --> 00:34:00,960 place in the future sometime, we actually now have better engineered 396 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:04,480 plans for this corner. Then as city managers come and go, city 397 00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:08,159 engineers come and go, planning commissioners come and go, and property 398 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:12,720 owners trade hands, then we have a good plan that we know works. So, 399 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:18,000 » huh. Well, you're going to be on here forever. 400 00:34:15,599 --> 00:34:22,000 So, I've been yapping a whole lot, but you could tell we've been doing a lot of 401 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:26,399 work since we last had a city council meeting on this. Um, just trying to get 402 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:31,359 this all figured out because now is the time where we have things happening and 403 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:35,679 development and annexations and stuff like that. When the road will actually 404 00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:38,679 be constructed is an entirely different conversation. 405 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:49,159 So questions on the annexation 406 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:57,280 really what we're making a recommendation would be for zoning. We 407 00:34:53,359 --> 00:35:01,119 don't yet have their exact request but we do know that it has commercial on 408 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:05,359 some portion and residential on some portion and by our next meeting I'm I 409 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:11,440 want to actually have a diagram for you to look at with that. either 410 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:16,160 that and if we don't get it, we'll just give a recommendation of what we think 411 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:22,400 it should be. At the end of the day, the city council can decide as they as they 412 00:35:19,839 --> 00:35:26,640 annex it or don't. So, we don't have to have that in order to make the the uh 413 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:30,160 recommendation, but if we want to consider what they want to do, we really 414 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:33,640 need to have it. So, that's what I've asked him for. 415 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:42,880 All right. They have any more questions or anything 416 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:46,459 on that? >> Nope. 417 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:51,680 All right. [clears throat] Okay. Let's move into 418 00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:55,520 item six, a discussion regarding Lance Shotwell and Parent City boundary 419 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:59,440 adjustment record of survey and road dedication plat. 420 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:06,480 » Okay, these are the things that by the way take up all my time. 421 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:10,880 If you're familiar with the Heritage Park and the road, we just I call it the 422 00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:16,960 pee hill road. >> Um it's been, by the way, it's been a 423 00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:21,200 livestock trail for a long time. Um 424 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:24,960 this is what you're looking at. Um for whatever reason, this road was never 425 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:29,440 dedicated to the city through this property, but all of the the road is 426 00:36:27,599 --> 00:36:34,079 built to this point. All of the utilities are into that point. So, um, 427 00:36:32,720 --> 00:36:37,520 I've talked to the because it's for sale. I've talked to the realtor and 428 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:42,079 said, "Hey, whoever buys this thing really should dedicate that road to the 429 00:36:39,119 --> 00:36:46,880 city because they're paying taxes on a public road." You know, there's no way 430 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:52,079 they could ever close it. It's got perpetual use. There's a livestock 431 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:56,960 trail. There's no way that the county or us would or BLM or anybody would ever 432 00:36:54,400 --> 00:37:00,240 let them close that. So, why pay taxes on it? You know, they clearly paid all 433 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:04,800 the money to improve it to put in that home. might as well just deed it to the 434 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:11,119 city. But that's not what we're talking about. What we're talking about is um 435 00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:18,400 for a couple of years now, we have been in hot and cold on and off discussions 436 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:23,040 with the owner of this parcel. You'll notice this parcel 437 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:28,800 is two parcels, but it's not. It's one parcel. That happens sometimes. 438 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:34,000 I think it's bonkers. You'd think a parcel would have to be connected to 439 00:37:30,240 --> 00:37:39,520 itself, but it doesn't. What transit trans transsects this parcel? Um, since 440 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:42,480 I'm just throwing out dollar words so you guys think I'm smarter than I am 441 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:48,720 because I'm really a dumb redneck. Bifurcates what bifurcates this parcel 442 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:52,480 is Main Street. Right? If you go and look, and we won't 443 00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:57,359 go dig into, but if you go and look at the old survey of the city, Main Street 444 00:37:55,599 --> 00:38:02,960 came right through the middle of these homes and up to here. The other thing 445 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:06,560 that came through here was 400 South came through here. You can see it when I 446 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:10,720 zoom out. You can see 400 South coming through here. And you can see Main 447 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:16,800 Street coming through here. 400 South was vacated at some point. And 448 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:20,400 so these are now private properties. Main Street was never vacated through 449 00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:26,480 here. I have gone through 450 00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:33,440 a arduous process um assisted financially by the property owner 451 00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:38,400 to create this as a legal parcel for Perowin City because what we owned was 452 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:41,839 Main Street and we owned this parcel. It's just that there's you there's never 453 00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:46,720 really a reason to make something a parcel when it's owned by the state or 454 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:50,320 the city or something because there's no taxes. We're usually not involved in 455 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:54,560 messing around with it till we get ready to do something. And then you have to go 456 00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:58,160 through this pain in the butt to prove that it isn't owned by anybody else and 457 00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:04,079 that it actually and we found all the paperwork and some mayor 50 years ago, 458 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:08,480 whatever. And we were able to establish that yes indeed, the city really does 459 00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:13,200 own this. and we got all of that recorded. And when I say he he just paid 460 00:39:11,359 --> 00:39:18,400 for all of the work. He paid for all the title searches and all that stuff. So 461 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:23,040 what we own is we own Main Street, which doesn't make any sense as Main Street 462 00:39:19,839 --> 00:39:28,640 right here. And he owns this parcel, which is actually two parcels. 463 00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:33,200 » Um he approached the city and said, "You want to trade? 464 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,560 I would really like to own this parcel here 465 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:42,160 and I really don't care about owning this parcel, this piece of my parcel. 466 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,839 And so we looked at it and we said, "Well, 467 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:50,560 might be kind of nice to loan own the land that's contiguous with our park so 468 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:55,440 that we could kind of extend the park. We want to try to protect the spring 469 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:59,839 that's right here. And by the way, this road is going through. So if we do any 470 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:04,560 sort of trade, we're going to end up owning the road at the end of the trade. 471 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:09,119 So the road is established all the way through to the end of this, which would 472 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:12,880 make his parcel here and his parcel here smaller because you plop a road in the 473 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:19,760 middle of it. There'll be a road in the middle of this one. So we started 474 00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:23,760 looking at it and um talking uh talking to the city council. Sometimes when we 475 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:30,000 go into close session, we talk about stuff like this. What we ended up coming 476 00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:35,760 up with when we he hired an engineer and there's 477 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:42,000 a better there's a better version of this and and when I asked him to send me 478 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:45,760 the actual road survey and parcel survey and all of that stuff he sent me an 479 00:40:43,599 --> 00:40:50,400 older version so I need I have a printed one in my office it's this big and it's 480 00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:54,640 got highlighter all over the place but this is this this tells you the exact 481 00:40:52,320 --> 00:41:00,400 concept the only difference is is the uh the curve of this road is is is wrong on 482 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:04,160 this one. Acreage is all correct. The concept is all correct. So, what we're 483 00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:09,520 talking about doing, and it's a multi-step process. We the city council 484 00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:13,920 approved and signed an agreement to get us onto the track of doing all these 485 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:21,760 things. First thing we have to do is we have to vacate Main Street. 486 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:27,599 We have to vacate it so that all that land belongs to somebody. We have to 487 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:32,319 realign the parcel boundaries and then we have to do a road dedication plot and 488 00:41:30,240 --> 00:41:38,000 then we have to get to a point where we're ready to actually trade acreage. 489 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:44,160 When all is said and done, it'll look like this. Only there will be a little 490 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:49,359 bit different of a of a curve through here. He will own lot three and lot 491 00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:55,440 four. The city will own 492 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:58,720 all of this parcel and all of this parcel, which don't have numbers on 493 00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:05,440 them. On my original thing, they were lot one and lot two. Um, so we will own 494 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:11,440 two parcels. He will own two parcels. We will own the road 495 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:15,920 from an acre per acre trade. It's actually um 496 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:19,760 very very close to just a straight across acreage trade. And I think that's 497 00:42:18,319 --> 00:42:27,520 before you take the road out or something like that. From an actual 498 00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:33,839 reality of use, it is it is much more um think of it as we're trading this 499 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:39,920 for this 500 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:43,760 and like we'll end up owning this whole section 501 00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:48,240 and the road. He'll end up owning these two parcels and then we'll own the road. 502 00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:52,160 So again, if you kind of toggle back and forth and you can do the math and you 503 00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:57,520 can look at it, it ends up just kind of fixing this whole area. 504 00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:02,560 And at the end, we both end up with something that works better for us. We 505 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:06,800 have a parcel. It's 79 acres. And and and these these acreages will change 506 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:10,960 just a little bit as that curve changes, but what what we gain lose down here, we 507 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:16,640 gain up here. So it's it's mathematically the same. We'll have a 508 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:22,240 technically a buildable lot that the city can do something with. 509 00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:26,960 We can auction it off. We can use it. Whatever. We'll own a lot. We'll have a 510 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:32,400 lot here, which is technically a buildable lot, but most likely all we'll 511 00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:36,000 do is is just combine our park. Maybe we'll do some little walking trails and 512 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:40,560 some resting benches. It is up there where you have a great view and stuff 513 00:43:37,599 --> 00:43:45,520 like that. So my my thought is we'll probably incorporate in that into the 514 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:50,000 park and we'll figure out in the future what to do with this other parcel. He 515 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:54,160 will own two lots and more importantly 516 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:59,520 when he wants to get a building permit at some point he will have to extend all 517 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:04,079 the utilities to this point and extend the road. 518 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:09,520 So, this is something that comes up quite 519 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:14,560 often because these four parcels up here, I have people that ask me, "Hey, 520 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:18,400 can I build a house there?" And I'm like, "Not until you can get that road 521 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:22,960 through and you can get the rightway through and you can get the utilities 522 00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:27,280 in." And by the way, it's a mess to try to get it all figured out. Everybody has 523 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:32,400 to participate, including the city. So, this just rearranges everything, 524 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:35,599 dedicates roads, and and then no development happens until he's then 525 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:41,520 ready to develop and then he can develop. So, um that's what we're doing. 526 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:46,880 The actual timeline of this thing involves six meetings. [snorts] 527 00:44:44,319 --> 00:44:56,240 Um the next step for us is that we will 528 00:44:52,880 --> 00:45:03,280 we will have a public hearing and vote to approve a new record of survey parcel 529 00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:09,200 boundary realignment and road dedication plat. 530 00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:12,319 And that's what I have on my paper. But it'll look like this. and 531 00:45:11,076 --> 00:45:16,480 [clears throat] it'll have a bunch of new legal descriptions on the right, the 532 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:20,319 legal description of the road and all that stuff, place for the city engineer 533 00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:25,920 and everybody to sign when we do a road dedication. And then also we'll have an 534 00:45:22,720 --> 00:45:30,000 application with the parcel boundary realignment thing, which is a 535 00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:34,560 technically a different process, but we're going to combine them and do them 536 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:38,720 all at the same time. So that one thing that will go get recorded up there won't 537 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:44,319 create any new parcels. It's not subdividing. It's just 538 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:48,160 well the city council, you guys won't be involved because you're not. The city 539 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:53,599 council will have two meetings to vacate the road. 540 00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:58,640 We will have this meeting and a public hearing 541 00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:02,800 and a vote to rearrange the parcel boundaries 542 00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:06,000 and dedicate the road and record the record the survey, but 543 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:10,000 it's the same thing as the road dedication plat. 544 00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:14,560 So, public hearing here, public hearing in city council. The vacation has to 545 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:20,480 happen immediately before this thing happens. When we're all said and done, 546 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:28,079 before we trade property, he will own lot three 547 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:34,079 and he will own this piece here. We will own these two pieces. 548 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:37,920 Wait, no. We will own this piece and we will own this piece. He will own this 549 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,760 piece and this piece. The what we will then do is we will do a property trade 550 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:45,200 which won't involve the planning commission. That's just city council. 551 00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:50,560 That's the very last step is we will trade these two parcels. 552 00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:54,160 So again, it's a mess, a lot of steps. I've been had this on the back burner 553 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:58,240 forever because it was going to be so much work to do it. But um he's been 554 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:01,599 paying for all of it and doing all the work andounding me and me andounding me. 555 00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:05,359 and we've probably met with the city council 556 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:09,200 four times in close session and then we we finally made an agreement with him. 557 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:14,720 The reason we did an agreement is because at any given 558 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:19,440 at any given point in all of these points, if one of us just withdraws, it 559 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:24,000 leaves a mess. Like we don't want to vacate Main Street without dedicating 560 00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:28,480 this new road because that would just give him a bunch of property and now we 561 00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:33,040 don't have any sort of road. And so we both signed the agreement. So we will 562 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:36,640 see it through to its end. Worst case scenario 563 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:42,160 at the end we choose not to trade this lot for 564 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:46,480 this lot. Whatever. Yeah. We at the end of the day, worst case scenario, we just 565 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:50,480 don't trade two of the lots, but we have the parcels all realigned and we have 566 00:47:48,319 --> 00:47:55,200 the roads and all that stuff. So that's that's okay because the city council 567 00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:58,560 can't vote to tr to get rid of land without having that public hearing 568 00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:03,359 anyways. But we just needed an agreement that pushed us through the whole process 569 00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:08,400 together. So again, long long story. Apologize for that, but um that's the 570 00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:14,480 deal. Wanted to make sure that it was all um open and transparent. And so 571 00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:19,760 that's why we had we've had two meetings in city council on it. Um the first one 572 00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:24,800 to talk about it, second one to sign the agreement, the next one will be the road 573 00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:30,800 d road vacation. you guys will have your meeting with the public hearing and and 574 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:35,599 dedicate the new roads and um then the city council will have it go through its 575 00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:38,640 process to dispose of land. So anyways, any questions on that? 576 00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:42,559 » No. >> I'm kind of excited to get this thing 577 00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,920 done and behind us and [laughter] and then the crazy thing is you'll drive 578 00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:48,400 up there and nothing will change looking at it. [laughter] 579 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:51,520 » Long as it doesn't affect the third grade uh field trips up to the pee hill. 580 00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,960 » No, >> since Rex Burton's return. No, nothing 581 00:48:53,520 --> 00:49:02,640 will affect that. This is a this is a a road no matter what happens. Um so, 582 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:07,920 but it'll be good to get it kind of cleaned up. So, okay. Um that's all I 583 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:14,319 have on that. >> All right, let's let's continue our 584 00:49:10,720 --> 00:49:20,079 discussion on the sign ordinance. >> Okay, I now need to apologize if you 585 00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:25,920 guys want to beat me or flog me. We had a big discussion. We had all of our 586 00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:30,160 things and you guys were going to do homework 587 00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:34,079 and I got ready for this meeting and I was gonna I was going to say, "Okay, did 588 00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:39,839 everybody do your homework?" Guess what? I never sent out 589 00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:43,599 the stuff for you to do homework on. So, if you take one and pass it along, 590 00:49:42,319 --> 00:49:47,839 this was the stuff you guys were supposed to have and be reviewing so 591 00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:51,599 that we could come back and talk through the height and the different things that 592 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:55,119 all the cities do and all that stuff. So, 593 00:49:53,359 --> 00:49:58,960 I'm just going to hand those out. We'll give we'll give one to Jamie and one to 594 00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:03,400 Andy and talk about it in two weeks. We're not under the gun on this. So, 595 00:50:05,839 --> 00:50:10,960 unless you guys just happen to do random homework that you never got the homework 596 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:14,640 assignment. [laughter] I asked Cali, I'm like, "Tell me I 597 00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:18,960 emailed that out. I swear I did, but I didn't. I had left town right after the 598 00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:21,960 meeting last time and slipped my mind. I apologize." 599 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:31,359 » Okay, I guess we'll do our homework. 600 00:50:33,359 --> 00:50:39,200 move into member reports. 601 00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:43,680 You have any >> I have nothing. 602 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:50,640 » Um, so I will actually be out of town on our next meeting. I apologize for that, 603 00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:54,760 but it's it's elk season, so busy. >> Where are you hunting? 604 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:54,760 » Colorado. 605 00:50:57,359 --> 00:51:06,079 » Oh, no. I'm good. Awesome to report. >> You guys have heard enough from me, but 606 00:51:02,559 --> 00:51:10,319 I just will say there is a ton of stuff happening in land use at the state 607 00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:13,680 level. They have an act they have an active 608 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:19,760 interimm committee. Uh Molly sits on that committee. Um I I don't sit on it, 609 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:23,359 but I listen in and comment as a lot of the city managers do for the mayors that 610 00:51:21,359 --> 00:51:27,720 are on it. The state governor 611 00:51:28,559 --> 00:51:36,599 threatened Heber City to pull all of their state funding 612 00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:45,839 because they didn't approve this 144 unit development. 613 00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:51,680 And the governor said, "We're going to pull your funding through." He said it 614 00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:55,680 through his housing guy, Steve Walrip. it hit the papers. 615 00:51:53,839 --> 00:52:00,400 Um, the governor also in a different article 616 00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:07,280 is really frustrated that all that the state has done has not been successful 617 00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:12,559 in trying to help housing affordability. They there they set a very aggressive 618 00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:19,280 goal to have 35,000 new starter homes. They've achieved about 7,000. 619 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:24,720 So, he's really frustrated. Um the governor doesn't make laws. The 620 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:31,040 governor does not control funding. The legislature does. So it's largely just 621 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:35,839 chest beating and things like that. But >> but I but you guys know how the 622 00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:41,440 legislature is and kind of how they're comprised. I expect some pretty 623 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:48,400 aggressive bills this upcoming season in in the in the 2027 session. Um of course 624 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:54,079 we we are a member of the league. The league is very very very very very 625 00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:59,359 active in doing their they sit on the LMA committee and they work so hard to 626 00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:04,240 try to work with the legislature so they don't 627 00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:07,440 just preempt um city's authority. They always say partnership not preeemption. 628 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:11,920 That's what they say in every single meeting. Partnership not preemp 629 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:15,599 preeemption. Um, I just I think that that maybe the screws are getting a 630 00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:19,920 little tighter on on on everything and maybe it's all rhetoric, but I expect to 631 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:25,920 be some maybe some crazy bills. One bill that I heard was floated was 632 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:31,680 that they would make the state would mandate any residential area can have 633 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:39,839 lots as small as 6,000 square feet in any residential zone in the state. 634 00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:45,440 um they may pull that back to cities that are what they call MIHP or that 635 00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:50,079 that are big enough that they have to have um housing plans, moderate income 636 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:55,760 housing plan is what MIHP perin is not an MIHP city. Um so they may come out 637 00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,319 with some kind of heavy-handed stuff like that, but they it may only apply to 638 00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:04,480 larger cities. Um I'm not trying to scare you guys. I'm just being scared on 639 00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:09,520 all these calls and I'm like, "Holy cow, like they're doing some crazy things." 640 00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:14,440 So, um, nothing to report other than there's some heavy conversations 641 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:14,440 happening. And, 642 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:23,680 uh, the other thing I'll report is the the zone change was not was voted down 643 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:30,000 by the city council, the one that we sent a positive recommendation on R2. So 644 00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:39,200 that stayed as A1 and the PUD out here by um 645 00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:43,359 by your property and across from Eagle Rock 646 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:47,760 » was uh denied. Um 647 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,800 maybe there's a legal question on that. You may see it come back to city 648 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:58,079 council. We may have to work through a little legal rent um wrinkle. 649 00:54:54,160 --> 00:55:02,319 Um, but the the city council, if I can just summarize, they didn't really say 650 00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:06,800 this, but there was there was a lot of comments. They were frustrated that 651 00:55:04,720 --> 00:55:12,559 there was too many variances. The variances were too extreme. Um the 652 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:18,480 planning commission working originally on the PUD had kind of we asked for open 653 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:23,440 space, we asked for parking, we asked for snow, we asked for a little less 654 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:28,720 density and and and wider streets and and we had kind of negotiated to this 655 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:33,760 point and then we sent a recommendation on a neutral recommendation which we 656 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:37,839 should never do that again. But the city council then took it and the city 657 00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:42,640 council negotiated further with them and we got to where we were 658 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:46,720 this far apart and there was some major issues in between but we had come 659 00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:52,400 together um and 660 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:59,280 we were we were scheduled to have a vote on the things that we were going to do. 661 00:55:54,720 --> 00:56:04,640 This was a year and it was May in 2025. We the next agenda is the city council 662 00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:08,960 was going to vote on what it was willing to live with in the annexation agreement 663 00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:14,160 and what it wasn't and the applicant withdrew their their their agenda item 664 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:18,000 because they wanted to consider a standard subdivision. They just said, 665 00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:22,480 "Hold up. We're not we're not withdrawing our PUD application. We just 666 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:26,400 want to look at a standard subdivision." Because there was a lot of discussion 667 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:30,799 about leased lots versus owned lots, right? So they effectively hit the pause 668 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:36,319 button. We hadn't heard from them for more than a year and they came back and 669 00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:43,520 they said, "Okay, we want to resume." And we had negotiated to this point. And 670 00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:48,799 when we went to resume, they reset. They reset back to this place. And I I 671 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:52,400 think and and I don't think they did it really out of ill will or trying to be 672 00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:56,799 difficult. I think that they really thought they had something 673 00:56:54,799 --> 00:57:00,240 in they had something in stone that they could do and it was just about a 674 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:05,680 negotiating tactic to get to where the middle where they could live with but 675 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:10,400 they didn't have anything in stone because until they get an annexation 676 00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:15,599 agreement and the PUD is approved they have nothing and so by them kind of 677 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:20,160 resetting all the way over here if I can put into the city council's words what I 678 00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:24,319 saw city council was like okay now you're just being ridicous ridiculous. 679 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:28,400 You you've you've just retreated from everything that we that we had worked 680 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:33,839 towards. So, we're just going to deny it. And the city council denied it and 681 00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:40,799 killed it. The reason why that's really interesting is they can't reapply with 682 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:45,680 the same code because they were vested into the code that they had prior to 683 00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:51,359 rural done. So, when it was denied, that application 684 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:57,040 is now dead. meaning they can reapply for a new application, but they only 685 00:57:54,079 --> 00:58:03,119 have the options that are available now. And all they have available is anything 686 00:57:59,359 --> 00:58:07,599 that they can buy, right? Do in an R3. We also have this thing called a cottage 687 00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:14,000 courtyard. Remember how we left that in there? And 688 00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:20,160 a cottage courtyard is some version of a PUD, but it's a very kind of specific 689 00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:23,760 version of it. Um, But it's clearly a subdivision. This was not really going 690 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:29,119 to be a subdivision. It was more of a mobile home park. 691 00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:34,319 So, we don't know what they're going to do, but that's the update on that. If 692 00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:38,160 they come in for an application to do a cottage courtyard, 693 00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:45,119 it'll come back to planning commission and we will start from scratch 694 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:47,920 on a very specific type, but it's a PUD. It'll go through here and go through 695 00:58:46,319 --> 00:58:52,880 that whole thing and go back to city council and we'll we'll negotiate PUD's. 696 00:58:51,359 --> 00:58:59,359 Um this it wouldn't but it wouldn't just be a wide open PUD. It would be a very 697 00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:03,200 narrowly defined PUD, right? And um I don't believe that you could you could 698 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:08,175 ask for um leased land under that cottage courtyard subdivision 699 00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:12,559 because it's a subdivision. [clears throat] And um we'll see. I 700 00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:16,319 don't know. We may have a lawsuit dropped on us. we may um they've they've 701 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:19,920 had a lot of they've been asking questions, trying to clarify, find out 702 00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:26,559 information, trying to figure out what their next steps are, but officially as 703 00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:30,880 of now it's dead, but we don't know what act two or act three of this thing will 704 00:59:29,119 --> 00:59:33,880 be. So, just giving you an update on that. 705 00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:42,160 » I make a motion to adjurnn. >> I second the motion. 706 00:59:40,799 --> 00:59:46,920 » All in favor? I >> I oppose. You get journaled.