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» Still good. Still good.
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» Oh, I don't know that I've ever met you.
My name's Marcy.

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» I've emailed Yeah. But I've never
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staff.

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Uh, good evening and welcome to the city
of Pastor Robel's planning commission

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meeting Tuesday, August 25th. I'd like
to call the meeting to order. We're

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going to start with the pledge of
allegiance.

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» All right. Um, roll call, please.

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Commissioner Loren
>> here.

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» Commissioner Kogler
>> here.

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» Commissioner Neil
>> here.

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» Commissioner Karubius
>> here.

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» Commissioner Christensen
>> here.

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» Commissioner Rhoden
>> here.

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» Chairperson Marlo
>> uh here. Okay. Staff introductions

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please.
>> Marcy Reynoso and Jessica Ferguson

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permit technician.
>> Darren Nash, city planner.

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» Regina Wheeler, solid waste recycling
manager.

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Katie Banister, associate planner.

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» Ashley Hernandez, homeless services
manager. Anelica Forton, community

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services director.

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» Anyone on the line?
>> Sarah Lan online with best Kger, City

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Attorney's Office.
>> Great. Thank you. Um, general public

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comments regarding matters not on the
agenda. Are there any members of the

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public that like to speak anything about
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Seeing no [snorts] one in the audience,
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» There are no callers.
>> Okay, great.

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Any uh agenda items proposed to be
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» No, there is none.
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move on to public hearing item G1 time
extension moose apartments P19-000093.

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Got a staff presentation.

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» Thank you, Chairperson Marlo. As you
said, this is a time extension for a

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project that got entitled quite a few
years ago. Um, so this is a vesting

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tenative parcel map PR190070.
there was an amendment to the

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development plan and then the teex is
for this time extension.

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So um the project um is uh the city
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moniker the moose apartments. This is
the site where the um moose lodge used

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to be located. So we used it to identify
and it seems to have caught on a little

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bit. So the moose apartments it's a
mixeduse project. It's located at 2548

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Spring Street. Um, and like I said, it
does include a vesting tenative parcel

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map and an amended development plan.
So, um, here we can see the location,

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2548 Spring Street. This is just south
of of 26th Street and across the street

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from the Lewis Flamson Junior High
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Um, I jump into the description. So, the
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Phase one was building A. This is the
building that has been under

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construction for quite a few years. Um,
this building includes uh 4,000 square

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ft of ground floor commercial space.
There are eight three-bedroom

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residential units on the second and
third floors. And then phase uh one also

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included uh partial parking lot
improvements. Um those are not complete

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although they have begun. Phase two is
building B. Um it is a one it's a

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building. It's a three-story building.
It includes 18 one-bedroom units. The

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project as approved back in I believe it
was 2020 included an affordable housing

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density bonus. Uh there are two
affordable units currently required. A

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uh househ a unit for a low-income
household and a very low-income

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household.
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Spring Street is on the left side. 26th
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screen. So uh phase one, building A is
the building under construction. That's

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in the yellow square. And then building
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have reviewed building permits for but
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that. Um, and then the project does
include a a parcel map that would split

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the lot. So, building A would be on one
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lot.
So, some background. I've already um

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gone over some of this, but uh so some
of this will be rehashing, but um the

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project was approved by the city council
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include two buildings. It included 4,000
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17 residential units. We issued a
building permit for building A in 2020.

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The applicant came back to um the city
in 2021 for an amendment to the

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development plan for building B, that
second building that's never been

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constructed. Um in 20 with the 2020
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recommended and city council adopted
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if you build really small units, 600
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less than a a density unit. And so they
were able to use the uh fractional

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density to change the rear building from
um having only eight uh it had eight

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three-bedroom units and it was I
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it was converted into a floor plan and
site plan that includes 18 one-bedroom

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units. So building B would have 18
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what has been approved to to date. Um
the planning commission has reviewed and

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approved two time extensions. There was
one in 2022 and one in 2023. The state

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of California adopted an automatic time
extension for um residential projects in

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2024. Um this project was eligible that
was AB 2729. So the project was

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automatically extended for 18 months
which took the project to August 4th of

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this year. The project has had some fits
and starts with construction. Um I think

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most of the planning commission sitting
here has reviewed this project. um at

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least once if not twice um for the the
time extensions. Um most recently the

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last city inspection that documented any
progress was just about a year ago on

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August 28th, 2025. Um there the city has
been um working with the um property

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owner to get construction going or to
surrender the property over to somebody

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else who can finish that project. Um so
uh the so that that is you know the

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status of building A. The city building
inspectors and the fire marshall do go

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by the property regularly to make sure
that it is secured and that we aren't

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seeing um uh homeless activity within
the buildings. Um so status of of

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building A. So, fast forward to 2026.
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the city council did approve the
community services department to apply

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for a grant with uh from the housing uh
housing and community development

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department. It's an encampment
resolution fund. The grant includes

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multiple uh pieces, but one of which is
purchasing this property to then um work

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with Haslow. I believe the property gets
sold to Haslow or given to Haslow for a

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very low amount of money and HasllO
would create long-term housing for

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acutely lowincome households. Haslow
operates part of the Echo shelter and so

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they are looking to find long-term
housing for folks who are being really

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successful successful down at the
shelter on Black Oak Drive. So the idea

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is as people are successful there
becomes a pipeline to move into

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permanent and more um uh uh you know
unsubsidized housing you know little by

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little. So this would be another step in
that ladder and that's what the the

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grant is intended to do. So we've sought
this grant. We don't know whether or not

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we will get funding but the applicant
would like to keep their time their uh

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entitlements active regardless whether
or not this is a a completely private

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development or the city becomes
involved. um uh the entitlements um you

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know we we would like to keep those
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So um construction progress uh I went
out and took these pictures today. The

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building now has 90% of its sighting
maybe 80% of its sighting up on the left

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is from Spring Street and then on the uh
right down at the bottom that's I'm

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standing on 26th Street looking to the
southwest. Um so some sighting is still

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missing. Um and my understanding is the
interior is not finished at all. There's

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studs um but the the construction is not
complete inside.

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Um just uh for the planning commission's
memory, the last time I brought this

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project to you in April of 2024, you can
see the progress on the right. There was

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um construction paper that was flapping
in the wind. Um you know, the project on

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the left, that's today. Obviously, we're
not all the way there, but it's

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substantially, you know, it does look a
lot better. Um

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so um the time extension is exempt the
project and the time extension are

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exempt from SQA. Um it was uh approved
for a class 32 exemption. That's an

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infill ex exception. Um to qualify you
have to the project has to be consistent

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with the general plan and uptown town
center specific plan has to be less than

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five acres. No value as habitat. Um and
it can't have any really significant uh

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impacts, environmental impacts. And so
this project did qualify for that class

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32 exemption. As always, the planning
commission does have options. The first

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would be to approve the request for a
one-year time extension that would

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extend the amount of time the applicant
has to uh finish the uh phase two and to

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record their uh vesting tenative parcel
map. Um you could approve a time

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extension for more or less time. We
wouldn't recommend approving any more

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than two years, but you could if you if
you desire ex do a two-year time

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extension or less time if that is the
preference. Um, or you could amend or

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modify the uh the noted options.
Staff is recommending that you approve

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the request for a one-year time
extension to the vesting tenative parcel

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map and the amended development plan.
Um, if you were to approve another year,

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that would give them until August 4th uh
to either complete the project or to

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come back again for uh further time
extensions. And that concludes my

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report.
>> Great. Thank you, Katie. [clears throat]

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Bringing it to the commission for any uh
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Commissioner
>> Katie, just some clarification. An

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applicant can apply for how many
extensions? So, um, the the subdivision

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map act allows for a total of eight
years for the life of the map, but any

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automatic time extensions like the one
that happened in 2024 are in addition.

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So, this project at this point in time
could have a a total of 9 and a half

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years.
>> Okay, that's what I wanted to clarify.

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So, that 18-month required
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total allowed time.
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» So, my next question is
what feedback have you gotten that

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they'll be able to complete the project
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that that's not going to happen.
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the city staff also has the same
concerns. We have been working with the

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city attorney to work pretty
aggressively with the property owner to

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get this project completed. They did
start again back in 2025. You saw the

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progress from 2024. Most of that
happened in 2025. Things, you know, were

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progressing slowly but surely and then
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Like I said, the last inspection we did
was just about a year ago. Um so if the

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grant uh is unsuccessful we will move
back to being more aggressive with the

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property owner.
>> So that was my last question is

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regarding the grant. Grant processes
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» So how long how long ago did they apply?
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next month whether or not we receive the
grant and then we would begin

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negotiations with the property owner.
>> Oh okay. And it's for the entire

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project. Correct. Both phase one and
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» Correct.
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» Today it is one property. They do have a
a tenative map, but today the whole

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property is is one
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» Um thank you Katie. Um I'm following up
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this extension
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are we expecting if we are successful in
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what would be we would be working on as
a city um more so than them completing

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the project?
>> Yes. If the city receives the grant, we

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would purchase the property and then I I
um the homeless services manager and

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community services director are here, so
if I start making mistakes, they'll come

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up and correct me. But I believe the
grant we would purchase the property and

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then HLA would acquire the property from
the city and HLA would complete the

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project. HLO I apologize is the housing
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» Okay. Ashley is that pretty well or and
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» La Helica's coming up. I think it's
important to note that what's on the

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agenda tonight is a time extension for a
parcel map and a site plan review or

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development plan. What was on it? So,
tonight what we're looking at the

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permits for the front building have been
issued and the timing of that not being

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completed is something that's being
worked on separate from a time

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extension. The time extension tonight is
to allow the entitlement for the rear

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building and the subdivision. So just so
you understand what's before the

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commission tonight really has nothing to
do with whether the city is applying for

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a grant or who the owner becomes in the
future, whether it's one parcel or two.

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Tonight is the time extension for the
parcel map and would uh facilitate

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developing the second building. That's
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» Thank you for that clarification. I I
know that this all kind of folds in

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together though, so I want to make sure
we're clear on where we're going with

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this.
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» Miss Banister is correct. However, HLO
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>> Gotcha.

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» Thank you.

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» Did you have any questions?
>> Yeah. Commissioner Christensen.

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Um
I I appreciate the um explanation of the

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extension. I think um basically what
Darren was saying is basically all we

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can consider is that time of extension
although all of us I think are concerned

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with the fact that the property has been
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Um, do we know did they ever get the
electrical uh switch that they talked

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about back in I don't know was that 2022
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I don't recall. I I remember, you know,
continued promises. I don't know. Marcy,

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is there anyone on the line? Is there an
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Sounding like not. Um uh I I don't
recall. you know, they they made some

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progress on the exterior. I think the
last um inspection that was called was

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for um uh lav, you know, under the
stuckco. There's some stucco on the 26th

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Street side. Um I don't recall.
>> Okay. Um I just was looking for

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clarification on that. Okay. Thank you,
Katie. Mhm.

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» Katie, the um extension is just to keep
the project alive for the present time,

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so to speak, to allow them to hold the
current entitlement to some point in the

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future and when they seek another one
perhaps. What happens if it gets denied?

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They obviously will have to reapply.
Have any of the requirements of the

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rules change that would shape the
project in a different way? Do you have

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any idea? Or would it just be if I don't
get it tonight, maybe I can get it next

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year?
>> Yeah. So phase one, building A is

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vested. So we wouldn't be um you know
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» phase two. Exactly. Um so yes, it would
be back to the drawing board. I do have

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a slide of the findings you would have
to make in order to deny a time

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extension and they are relatively
limited. Um the the circumstances under

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which you you know would not extend the
project. Um but yes, it would definitely

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make it more complicated for for whether
it's the current owner, a future private

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owner, or the city. If we if we did not
extend the time the um the entitlements,

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they would have to apply again.
>> Okay. Yeah. Good.

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» And and the specific plan has not
changed in in the meantime.

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» So the intent here is simply to hold the
entitlement in their hands, so to speak.

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Realistically, there's no way they're
going to do construction in a year. They

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haven't done construction in 5 years on
the first building. So it just preserves

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their right to continue into the future.
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» Thank you,
>> Commissioner Neil.

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» Yeah, I guess my only concern is this
entitlement adds value to the property

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um and could be used in a negotiation
um for the sale. I don't know have have

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has the property owner been in contact
about this grant and the sale of the

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property? Yes, the property owner is
aware and has signed. I want to say it's

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a memorandum of understanding he is
interested or they are interested.

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» I just I'd just be concerned that they
could use it for a bit of leverage.

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» Yeah, I my understanding is our
community services department and the

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housing authority of San Pispo would
prefer that you keep the entitlements

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alive.

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» Any other commissioners? Only question I
had is um I'd just be curious about

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not that we're going to go one way or
another, what the findings are required

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by us to deny the project. I know they
get eight years. I don't Okay.

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» Yeah. So, I've just put up the slide.
You would have to find that denying um

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uh failure to deny would place the
residents of the subdivision or the

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immediate immediate community in a
condition uh dangerous to their health

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or safety or both. Um, and I would argue
that not allowing the project to proceed

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is what would leave the neighborhood in
danger. Um, and denial is required in

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order to comply with state or federal
law. The state, you know, has made

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housing a priority. And I don't think
that they would agree if you found that

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the, you know, denying housing um if you
wanted to not extend the map, I think

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they would uh they would not say it's
against the their their rules.

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» Yeah, it's very specific. Okay, great.
Uh if none of my other commissioners

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have any questions or comment, I will
open up to public comment. Uh please

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come up and state your name.

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» Hey Darren.
>> Hi. Uh Linda George, 3126 Spring Street.

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Uh just for the record, I wrote in
opposition to the grant. Um it's a

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47page grant. It's round five and the
grant money is founded off housing first

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law, a 2016 law that the state uh put
upon the I'd [clears throat] say put

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upon us where the this housing if
Hasllow takes it over. First it was

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presented as an eight sober unit
apartment. Okay. And then tonight I find

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out there's 18 additional units. I have
walked up all and down Spring Street,

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spoke with the business owners, some of
the projects you've approved that's

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supposed to go on next Friday. Everybody
and the parents are in an uproar.

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Unfortunately, school was out when this
initially came into my purview. What

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we're actually doing of a seven uh $14
million, I think approximate 70% of that

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grant would go to Haslow. We're going to
give Haslow 3.5 million for that

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project. then they will develop it into
sober homeless apartments. However, this

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grant money doesn't allow that. So, I
appreciate the spirit in which trying to

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get affordable housing, but I have
worked with the homeless my entire life.

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I have found and seen many people who
have come off the streets into highrises

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and they make it. Uh T. Wolf in San
Francisco was a fentanyl dealer four

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years ago. Now, he's at the capital. So,
I am not against meeting our reign and

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numbers with these types of housing. But
what I'm concerned about is let's say

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Michelle Pedigo leaves and somebody
comes in and says, "Oh, you can't do

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that. You can't just make sober people
live there. We're going to have 26 rooms

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of potential homeless addicts because
the 216 law indicates that you cannot

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discriminate. You cannot kick out for
drug usage. You can't do any of that. So

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there's going to be a real book big
community push back on that. So my

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question is is if and Ekko received some
more complaints on that um grant from a

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community advocate about not feeding the
homeless. I was there. I watched it. So

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I don't know if that grant is going to
happen. So then my question would be if

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that grant doesn't come through, can
Hazel still purchase that property? Um,

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will the city still make a deal? Because
that's going to be a deal for Haslow.

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They try to buy some property on the
skate park and I found out through

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negotiations that didn't happen. I feel
like one Haslow project in this small

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city is enough. But if they come in,
they cannot use this particular grant

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money, but they can get other monies to
fulfill their 26 rooms for sober home

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key. Now, I've been to home key. they
are actively doing drugs there.

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So, I don't see it, but I just wanted to
make sure you guys have that

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information. I I'm okay with the year
extension. I'd like to see it be a

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lowincome clinic is what I wanted. Thank
you.

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» Great. Thank you. Are there any other
members of the public that would like to

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speak?
Seeing none in the audience, Marcy, are

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there any callers?
>> There are no callers.

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Yeah, we we're going to we're going to
do some more questions.

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» No callers.
>> There are no callers.

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» Okay, we're going to bring it back to
the planning commission for any

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follow-up questions or comments. Uh did
you have something you'd like to speak

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to regarding
>> I just wanted to provide a

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clarification. Uh the grant is not
before you today, but uh the the grant

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uh does not include any construction of
the entitled units. It only includes

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construction or completion of the
project phase uh one. Um, it could

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potentially include making those uh from
uh threebedrooms to twobedroom units to

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um provide additional units. It would be
housing that prioritizes families that

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are in the permanent supportive housing
campus at HLO, not in the shelter. Uh

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but it would be family units.
>> Great. Thank you. Um ju just for

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clarification, Darren, um
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would if if for some reason HLO got the
grant, would any of this come before the

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commission for the approval of that sale
or would that all go to directly to city

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council? Like my question is based on uh
public comment and their the request

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really the the planning commission has
no authority of over those type of

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things unless there for some reason we
were involved in that um transference of

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some sort.
>> Right. I think the you know the the

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number of units I'll defer to Katie on
if that's been analyzed in terms of a

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you know a zoning or a a unit number. Um
have we looked into that? Is that

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something that would come back to the
planning? had conversations. Um the uh

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the only change that that the community
services department and HLO at this

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point intends to make are internal to
the building. They would increase the

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number of units. So the exterior of the
building is which is what the planning

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commission is typically uh interested in
would not be changing. Um that being

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said, when the rear building went from
having nine units to 18 units, it did

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have to come back to the planning
commission. They at that time made

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changes to the exterior of the building.
So, we've been having conversations

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about whether or not just changing the
unit count would come back to planning

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commission. So, it's possible, but uh we
haven't made a determination of whether

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or not that meets the thresholds for
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» But, but for clarity, it would only be
the change of the construction. Anything

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to do with the grant or the ownership or
the city's deal with Haslow, that has

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nothing to do with the planning
commission and we have no authority over

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that.
>> Absolutely correct.

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» Okay, great. I just wanted to clarify
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Commissioner Kler,
>> Katie, when with the shuffling of units,

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has anybody an analyzed the parking?
Does the parking still meet the uh unit

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count as it might end up being if threes
go to two and nine went to 18 and

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whatever other numbers have shifted over
time?

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» We have not. Um, I will say with the
rear building when it went, so the way

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the parking requirements work in the
Uptown Town Center specific plan is that

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if you have a studio or a one-bedroom
unit, you need one parking space. If

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it's two or more bedrooms, you need two
parking spaces. So, when they went from

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three-bedroom units to one-bedroom
units, and they doubled it, it was the

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same parking requirement. In this case,
if we're going from three to twobedroom

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units, the parking requirement would not
come down. But, I will say that we are

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looking at deedrestricted units. the
entirety of the project would be deeed

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restricted for acutely low households.
And you know, I think it would be in the

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city's interest to uh reduce or you
know, they might use concessions or

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other u mechanisms through the
affordable housing density bonus program

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to reduce the amount of parking
required. That is possible.

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» Thank you,
>> Commissioner Neil.

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» So Katie, this would still fit under a
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right, for in
the additional units. I mean the only

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potential um impact and we haven't
analyzed it would would be traffic

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trips. I mean the the impacts of the
site are the same. It's development of

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the whole site um and so like you know
impacts to biology or um air quality are

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going to be um comp comparable
>> and I suspect the additional traffic is

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minuscule. I
>> I agree. I don't think that it will rise

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to the to the level of a of a of an
impact.

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» Great. Thank you,
>> Commissioner Christensen.

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» Uh thank you Katie. I think um I just
have some comments on it in general.

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You know what's before us obvious is the
time extension and

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I I not not I don't necessarily agree
that it's better for us to extend given

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the extension because the way they've
drugged this out and it's just continued

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to be a blight. I don't know that we
have a lot of leeway in that though. So,

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um, you know, for me, I'm just following
what, you know, we have very little

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leeway in what the state allows. And to
me, that's that's a problem that I think

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we all recognize. I don't think we're
going to change that tonight. Um, as

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for, you know, the city buying it with
the grant money, boy, I have a lot of

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comments on that. But again, that's not
for tonight. We're just in front for

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this for the extension. Um they have the
right to the extension for what how many

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more years would they what do we have
like they'd have another 18 months after

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this?
>> Um they do so they the project was

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approved in 2020. I believe it would get
them to somewhere in the middle of 2029

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possibly 2030. I didn't do the full
math.

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» Okay. And I do believe that giving them
this extension doesn't mean we're going

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to see it change from that picture from
2025 because we haven't seen it change

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till today from 2025. So, the owner has
no interest in in pushing this project

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forward. I think he's just waiting for a
nice paycheck for a grant from the city.

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But, um, you know, in my opinion, I
don't think we have much choice but to

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just move forward and and approve this
extension.

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» I will say that city staff and since you
last heard this has moved a lot more

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aggressively with legal action to to
address the the lack of progress. So

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whether or not uh the grant goes through
or we just you're extending this for

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some future owner um staff is working
much more aggressively

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» and I appreciate that. I think that's
really important because a year goes by

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another year goes by it is becoming an
issue there on that and and I just think

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it's going to get worse and worse. So
I'm glad to hear that Katie that I

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appreciate that too. So thank you.
>> Uh again just a clarification the city

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would not be buying that. Um, so I I
I'll I'll have Angelica um come up again

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if I misspe, but my understanding is the
city would purchase the property and

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then HLO would acquire it from the city.
The city would not be expending any

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local dollars. We would be using the
grant dollars to purchase the property

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and then HLO would purchase the property
from the city for for less than what we

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purchased it for with the grant dollars.

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The way the grant was written, HLA would
actually be acquiring the property, not

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the city.
>> Okay. Yeah. Great.

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» Any other commissioners got any
comments, questions, concerns? If not, I

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would entertain a motion.
>> Commissioner Christensen,

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» I move we approve the resolution for the
extension.

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» I'll second it. First by Christensen, a
second by Kobar Rubius.

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And I get a roll call.

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» Commissioner Christensen.
>> I.

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» Commissioner Kar Rubius.
>> Hi.

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» Commissioner Rhoden.
>> I.

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» Commissioner Neil.
>> I.

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» Commissioner Kogler.
>> I.

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» Commissioner Loren.
>> I.

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» And chairperson Marlo.
>> I.

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» Passes 70.
>> Great. Thank you, Katie.

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Okay. Moving on to item G2, general plan
amendment to the city's fear of

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influence and fire hazard severity zone
map.

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00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:42,559
Staff presentation. Oh, two for two.
>> Thank you, Chairperson Marlo. Um, so

416
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:47,360
this project has a title that makes it
sound like there's a lot happening. What

417
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:50,760
you should understand is there is
nothing happening.

418
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:57,200
If you read through the recitals in the
staff report, all of the actions, all of

419
00:31:55,279 --> 00:32:02,480
the major actions that caused the need
to update these maps has occurred. The

420
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:07,600
city council or LAFCO have approved all
of the changes. They were just not the

421
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:13,039
maps that depicted those changes were
not updated in the general plan. So,

422
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:16,480
don't be afraid of the large title. So I
I can give you a little more background.

423
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:21,120
As we prepared for the third item on
your agenda this evening, which is an an

424
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:26,159
a proposal to annex land around the the
airport, excuse me, the landfill,

425
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:30,960
I I as I was reviewing the maps and
reviewing the documents, I realized this

426
00:32:29,279 --> 00:32:34,399
fire hazard severity zone map is
incorrect. Our sphere of influence has

427
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:38,960
changed. All of these maps are incorrect
and we're just about to make amendments

428
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:43,840
for the to make to annex the landfill.
and it didn't make any sense to adopt

429
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:48,559
maps for the landfill that showed
incorrect information. And so, like I

430
00:32:46,399 --> 00:32:53,600
said, this is a house cleaning item.
And, you know, don't let the title uh

431
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:57,039
scare you. And also, you don't have the
right to change any of these. You know,

432
00:32:55,360 --> 00:33:02,000
you don't have the right to change. No,
I mean the the the the the fire severity

433
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:06,000
map, the sphere of influence, these are
all council um you know what what it

434
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:10,880
what appears in our general plan maps
you do get to advise but changing those

435
00:33:08,159 --> 00:33:15,200
overarching policy documents is not in
the preview like the the grant from the

436
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:19,919
last item that that part is not um up to
the planning commission. So as I said no

437
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:23,600
substantive changes are being proposed
but there are three actions that were

438
00:33:21,519 --> 00:33:28,559
taken in the last two years that are not
uh reflected in our current general plan

439
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:33,279
exhibits. So first in June of last year,
council adopted a fire hazard severity

440
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:37,840
zones map that was based on a map that
was adopted by the state. This uh

441
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:41,279
community of pastor Robels wrote letters
there. You know, originally the the

442
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:45,840
state fire marshall had shown some very
high fire severity zones. All of that

443
00:33:43,679 --> 00:33:50,159
work was done and all we are doing is
taking the map the the the map that

444
00:33:48,399 --> 00:33:56,320
council adopted and putting it into our
general plan. Similarly, in January, the

445
00:33:53,679 --> 00:33:59,600
local agency formation commission did a
review of the city sphere of influence.

446
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:04,720
We'll get into what a sphere of
influence is, what a sphere of influence

447
00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:08,800
is. They made an amendment there that
that sphere of influence, those land

448
00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:13,599
masses are shown on multiple maps in our
general plan. Finally, uh in April of

449
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:18,399
this year, council adopted a new local
hazard mitigation plan that was part of

450
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:23,520
a larger regional uh hazard mitigation
plan. Um, and again, exhibits in the uh

451
00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:28,079
in the general plan and some text in the
general plan make references to an older

452
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:33,520
local hazard mitigation plan that was
adopted in 2013.

453
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:36,800
Okay. So, um, as I said, I mean, I've
already kind of given you this. So, uh,

454
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:39,760
this is the fire hazard severity zone
map that was adopted by council. It was

455
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:44,800
first adopted by the state fire
marshall. Council adopted it back in

456
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:49,599
June. Similarly, um, this is one you
probably don't have as much background

457
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:53,679
on. So in January, LAFCO, the local
agency formation commission reviewed the

458
00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:58,079
city's sphere of influence. So a sphere
of influence is a pling a planning

459
00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:02,960
boundary that is outside a city or
special district's legal limits that

460
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:07,599
designates its probable future physical
boundaries and service area. So this is

461
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:11,760
the city declaring in this case to the
county because that's who you know the

462
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:15,359
all these areas are currently in the
jurisdiction of the county. These are

463
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:19,040
areas that we have a special interest in
and we want to know what is being

464
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:23,760
developed there and we think someday we
might annex those and make them part of

465
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:28,240
our city. So there were uh I think 13
areas analyzed. I've only listed I think

466
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:34,000
10 of them in the table because some of
them uh were proposed by LAFCO um or by

467
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:40,160
the city and were rejected. So I've only
listed those that either were in or have

468
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:45,839
been added. So um I have an animation.
So there were um seven areas that were

469
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:49,359
removed. There were a number of annex or
excuse me sphere of influence areas on

470
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:53,520
the west side along the residential
areas of the west side of the city.

471
00:35:51,280 --> 00:36:00,320
Those were all removed. The city has no
intent of serving or annexing those uh

472
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:05,440
areas. Similarly on the east side um the
uh Vina Robels uh did a subdivision uh

473
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:09,599
the area two where the X is. That land
is largely been developed and the city

474
00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:15,200
no longer intends to annex or have any
control over that land. And then at the

475
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:19,280
south end of River Road uh Oak Lane was
was in our sphere of influence. So those

476
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:22,560
areas were all removed. The action is
done. You are not considering whether or

477
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:25,440
not to remove those from the sphere of
influence this evening. We're just

478
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:32,000
deciding whether or not to change the
maps. Finally, one area was added um uh

479
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:36,480
Wisteria Lane west of Golden Hill. So,
this is Golden Hill just north of of

480
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:40,640
Lowe's, the Lowe's center. Um there is
an area that actually got added to the

481
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:44,560
city's sphere of influence. The reason
largely is because we will need that for

482
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:49,359
circulation. You've probably seen plans
for the um the parallel route uh that

483
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:53,599
will go north of 46. So, we really this
was one missing piece for where we

484
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:58,960
expect that parallel route uh to be
placed. So, um that uh area nine was

485
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:04,640
added and then uh no change to three
areas. We do still see uh the Mill Road

486
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,839
and the South Ramada and the landfill.
And of course, we're going to see um

487
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:14,000
immediately after this that the landfill
is up for consideration very soon for

488
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:17,599
annexation. Um so again, um this action
has already taken place. We just are

489
00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:23,599
looking to amend maps in the general
plan. Um finally, in uh April, the uh

490
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:27,520
city adopted the hazard mitigation plan.
This did not actually uh require any

491
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:31,599
changes to maps in the general plan, but
it did require text changes. So, we'll

492
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,520
see what those look like. So, there are
text changes to both the land use

493
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:39,040
element and to the safety element. In
the land use element, the change the

494
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:43,680
text changes really only have to do with
the sphere of influence. And it uh

495
00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:47,839
reduces the number of areas that are uh
in the sphere of influence and actually

496
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:52,000
increase the uh size of those areas. So
you'll see we went from having nine

497
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:58,240
areas in our sphere of influence down to
four. In the safety element, uh the the

498
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:01,359
text changes uh largely are references
to the local hazard mitigation plan.

499
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:06,320
There are many places where it
references the 2013 plan. I changed

500
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:09,680
those to 2025. Um references to the
section and table numbers. You know,

501
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,920
that data might have been in table one
and now it's in table six. So those are

502
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:18,800
the changes you're seeing in um in the
safety element. We did also um combine

503
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:23,520
all of the flood plane awareness maps
into one map. They were previously in

504
00:38:21,119 --> 00:38:29,839
four separate maps and my understanding
is that was because back 10 20 years ago

505
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:36,079
the um the preciseness of the maps the
the like the um uh just how how crisply

506
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:40,960
they could be reproduced like the the
dots per inch the um um it was just it

507
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:44,400
was too rough. And so to in order to
show the area, we had broken it into

508
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:48,560
four areas. The maps and the printers
are now so much clearer that it is now

509
00:38:46,720 --> 00:38:53,520
possible to put all of that map into one
map. So you will see that as a change as

510
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:58,320
well. And then um information from the
uh hazard mitigation plan did change uh

511
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:02,800
the number of properties and people that
are in moderate and high fire hazard

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00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,800
severity zones. So those are the text
changes that are proposed. Jumping into

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00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:11,520
the maps, there are four maps where only
the sphere of influence was removed.

514
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:17,680
that includes uh land use map three,
land use map six, uh open space map one,

515
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:22,240
and uh safety map seven. So, I didn't
include all of these because nothing on

516
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:26,400
those maps changed except I just removed
the sphere of influence entirely. These

517
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:30,320
maps, the sphere of influence is not
really pertinent to whether to to the

518
00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:34,400
point of the map. So, this these the map
you see on the right there is the um

519
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:37,839
existing specific plan areas. There's
really no reason for the sphere of

520
00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:41,520
influence to be shown here. And as in
the future in 10 years, we might change

521
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:45,440
our sphere of influence again so that we
don't find oursel with this backlog of

522
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:49,119
of maps that need to be amended. I've
just removed them from the maps that

523
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:52,720
don't um that it's not pertinent
information. So the sphere of influence

524
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:57,760
will no longer be shown on these four
maps.

525
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:01,440
Um uh land use map, excuse me, uh figure
LU1 land for that's in the land use

526
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:05,520
element. It's the figure one in the land
use element. Um this is the the uh

527
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:09,680
sphere of influence boundaries. So you
can see um we saw previously all the the

528
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,520
areas that were considered. This is now
the clean this is the four areas that

529
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:17,599
are are currently in our sphere of
influence. So you're just updating this

530
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:21,599
map to show what LFCO already approved.
And you can see I don't know if this guy

531
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:26,240
works. Oops. That that little the new
little area at Wisteria is right there.

532
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:30,640
That little that little square.
Okay.

533
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:35,119
Um the FEMA map. Um, I removed the
sphere of influence and you know over

534
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:39,520
time FEMA does make changes and our GI
GIS maps have kept pace. They are minor

535
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:44,079
refinements but I think there are a few
small changes. Again, these were changes

536
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:48,400
adopted by FEMA and not by the city but
they're now reflected correctly in our

537
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:53,040
safety element of the general plan or
they would be

538
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:57,119
uh figure uh S6 is the one I mentioned.
This used to be four maps and we have

539
00:40:54,960 --> 00:41:02,160
combined them into one map as well as
remove the sphere of influence from that

540
00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:07,040
map. Um this is the map that is the map
that uh none of us like to see. It's the

541
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:10,079
fire hazard severity zone map. Again,
this is the map that council already

542
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:15,920
adopted. We're just putting the correct
map into the safety element.

543
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:20,880
So that is the entirety of the proposed
uh changes. Uh the project I I didn't

544
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:25,119
change the title of this um slide, so I
apologize. This is not a class 32

545
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:28,319
exemption, but it is exempt from squa.
Um, it is not considered a project

546
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:32,560
because it doesn't have the potential
for causing sign significant effect on

547
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:36,880
the environment. All of the projects
that came before to result in this

548
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,720
project went through a seeker process.
They were either considered exempt or

549
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,319
there were there was environmental work
done. So those projects had the

550
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:48,319
potential for impacts. Changing maps
does not.

551
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:52,720
Um, so as always the planning commission
has options. The first would be to adopt

552
00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:56,560
the draft resolution that is before you.
It would approve a general plan

553
00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:01,520
amendment to correct the outdated maps
and the text and the land use, open

554
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:05,680
space, and safety elements. You could
you could make modifications to those uh

555
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:09,359
recommended changes. Uh and those would
be forwarded to the city council. If

556
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:13,520
you'd like more information or for staff
to make additional analysis, we could we

557
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:17,599
you could make that option or you could
deny the project and leave the maps out

558
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:21,359
of step with what has already been
approved.

559
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:25,359
Staff is recommending option one, which
would be to adopt the draft resolution

560
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:27,839
to recommend the city council approve
[clears throat and snorts] the general

561
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:32,319
plan amendment to correct the outdated
maps and the related text in our uh

562
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:35,520
general plan. And that concludes my
report.

563
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:38,960
» Thank you, Katie. Okay. Going to open it
up to the commissioners for any

564
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:43,760
comments, questions, or concerns.
Commissioner Rhoden.

565
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:50,599
» Thank you, Katie. Um, I just have a
question. Can we go to the sphere of

566
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:50,599
influence removed map?

567
00:42:53,920 --> 00:43:00,640
Um
I'm I'm trying to I'm trying to put

568
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:04,960
because that's East Chandler. It Where
does Airport Road the old Airport Road

569
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:09,280
go on that map?
>> I'm I'm going to walk over because I the

570
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:16,480
the pointer is way too um too large.
>> Gotcha.

571
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:23,839
» So um ranch is here. So this is this is
specific here. This is the south is here

572
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:28,880
and north ranch is here. So this is
union road you can see coming through up

573
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:35,839
to Thank you.
Um so uh the uh existing airport road uh

574
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:40,640
comes down here and then we do need a
connector through North Chandler Ranch

575
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:45,680
and then uh airport road north of the 46
is here. So this area is is outside of

576
00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:51,119
city limits. The north Chandler Ranch is
already inside city limits.

577
00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:56,800
» Okay. So it it that's where Airport Road
is or you would think it would align as

578
00:43:53,839 --> 00:44:01,440
on that uh west boundary.
>> Correct. The uh the final alignment of

579
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:04,880
of Airport Road is not decided, but it
is thought that it'll it'll run

580
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:09,440
somewhere near this eastern boundary of
the city.

581
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:13,839
» Gotcha. Thank you. Any
other commissioners comments, questions?

582
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:22,520
Commissioner Christensen.
>> Uh Katie, just for clarification on the

583
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:22,520
um LU3 or exhibit C, for example,

584
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:30,560
it mentions the North Chandler Ranch
area specific plan. Is that in process?

585
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:35,760
Is that actually existing?
>> It is not existing and the city does not

586
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:39,440
have an application. There are 879
residential units have been allocated to

587
00:44:37,599 --> 00:44:42,880
that specific plan. But in order to
develop that area, they will have to

588
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:46,720
come to the planning commission and
ultimately to the city council to have a

589
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,119
specific plan approved similar to how
Olsson South Chandler and Beachwood were

590
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:53,359
approved.
>> So I'm I'm just for clarification. I'm

591
00:44:51,359 --> 00:44:57,920
confused. It they're calling a specific
plan, but it it does we don't have an

592
00:44:55,839 --> 00:45:01,680
application for it. housing units have
been allotted, but

593
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:06,000
» the land use element has policies that
require for the areas that are shown.

594
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:10,960
Um, it used to also apply to Beachwood
and to uh Olsen and to South Chandler

595
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:14,880
Ranch that in order for those properties
to develop, they had to have a specific

596
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:19,119
plan approved. The city would not
consider development in those sites

597
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:23,599
without a specific plan. So, we we know
that that area needs a specific plan.

598
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:27,200
the name South North Chandler Ranch is a
placeholder until an actual specific

599
00:45:25,839 --> 00:45:32,160
plan is adopted.
>> And that's I just was saying for

600
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:36,960
clarification I think you know I guess
maybe that's being thinking ahead but

601
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:41,520
it's not currently specific plan so
having labeled as such seems a little

602
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:44,880
confusing. Um but okay
>> the the proposed changes that's

603
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:48,160
existing. All that changed on that map
in particular is we've just removed the

604
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:52,800
sphere of influence from the map. So
that's how it shows today and other than

605
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:58,880
the sphere of influence is also shown on
land use map 3. Yeah, LU3.

606
00:45:56,319 --> 00:46:03,200
» I I understand it is confusion. It would
take the council would need to make a

607
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:06,400
much larger uh policy decision to remove
that from

608
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:10,319
» I get it. I I do it'd be like but to me
it's making it's a it's incorrect. So

609
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:14,560
but I get it. I understand. I'm just
trying to make it simple. Thank you for

610
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:18,319
explaining that.
If there's no other commissioners, I'll

611
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:26,920
open it up to public comment. Is there
anyone in the public that wishes to

612
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,920
speak? Seeing none, any callers?

613
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,520
» There are no callers.
>> Okay, bringing it back to the commission

614
00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:36,400
for any more comments or I would
entertain a motion. Commissioner

615
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:41,200
Coobbler,
>> I would move that we adopt resolution

616
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:45,599
26, PC26- number to be inserted to
recommend the city council approve

617
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:50,160
general plan amendment 26-03
to correct outdated maps and related

618
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,160
text in land use open space and safety
elements.

619
00:46:51,359 --> 00:46:55,920
» Commissioner Neil,
>> I will second.

620
00:46:53,200 --> 00:47:02,520
» First by Kogler, second by Neil. Any
other comments?

621
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:02,520
Okay, roll call, please.

622
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,920
Commissioner Kogler.
>> Hi.

623
00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:11,280
» Commissioner Neil.
>> I.

624
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,880
» Commissioner Loren.
>> I.

625
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,640
» Commissioner Kov Rubius.
>> Hi.

626
00:47:13,599 --> 00:47:17,119
» Commissioner Rhoden.
>> I.

627
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,599
» Commissioner [snorts] Christensen.
>> I.

628
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:23,440
» Chairperson Marlo.
>> I.

629
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:31,280
» Item passes 70.
>> All right. Moving on to item G3.

630
00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:35,040
Passurro's landfill annexation.
So, thank you chair chairperson Marlo.

631
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:38,640
Um, you are lucky I am not going to
present this last item, but I did want

632
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:42,079
to introduce introduce Brandy Cummings.
She is a consultant for the city and

633
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:45,680
she's been working with the city's solid
waste manager who is also here this

634
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:50,079
evening, uh, Regina Wheeler. Um, but
Brandy Cummings is going to give this

635
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:54,319
this next um, applica or presentation.
>> Great. Thanks, Katie. Welcome.

636
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:59,119
» Feel like Katie's on a roll. I should
probably just let her keep going.

637
00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:03,599
All right, let me make sure I understand
this.

638
00:48:00,560 --> 00:48:10,319
Okay, got it. Okay, this project, as
Katie alluded to, is annexation of the

639
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:14,880
landfill. And so, let me get going here.
So, the city owns um quite a bit of land

640
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:21,040
just south of the landfill out off of
Highway 46. Um it's about 133 acres, and

641
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:25,839
the city bought this land back in 2005
to sort of act as a buffer for the

642
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:29,440
current um landfill operation, which is
realize there's no legend shown in the

643
00:48:27,359 --> 00:48:33,473
gray. Um
you've got like a

644
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:37,760
there we go the gray square at the
[clears throat] top there. So, um meant

645
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:43,119
to act, you know, in the future if the
city needed anything um for the landfill

646
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:46,960
expansion improvements that that land
wouldn't already be developed or

647
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:50,480
encumbered otherwise. So, um at this
point, the city's looking to actually

648
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:55,440
annex that. So, it's currently
unincorporated, which means any projects

649
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:59,599
that the city would want to undertake on
that land, you would have to go through

650
00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:04,079
the county to obtain land use permits,
building permits, pay them fees, um, be

651
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:08,160
beholden to their entitlement
conditions. Um, so this project's really

652
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:12,720
to give the city control of the land
that they own surrounding the landfill.

653
00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:15,839
Um, if you've never been to the landfill
and done a dump run, um, you probably

654
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,680
wouldn't recognize it driving down the
highway. It's pretty well hidden. Um

655
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:24,559
it's about 4 miles east of the town
proper. Um but the actual landfill

656
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:29,359
parcel, that gray parcel is
incorporated. So that is technically a

657
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:32,760
little orphan of city land um hanging
out over there.

658
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:39,599
Okay. So as I mentioned, this project is
just to get that land under city

659
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:44,319
control, so incorporated into city
limits. Um that would involve changes to

660
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:49,760
both the general plan and the zoning
ordinance to give it city general plan

661
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:55,599
and zoning designations. Uh the land is
currently uh designated agriculture by

662
00:49:52,559 --> 00:50:00,480
the county. Um this this project would
keep most of the land agriculture, but

663
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:04,240
it does set aside about 30 acres um that
would continue that public facilities

664
00:50:02,319 --> 00:50:09,440
designation that the landfill currently
has. And that would allow for future

665
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:13,034
improvements. Um when I get to my SQA
side, I'll I'll talk about a project

666
00:50:11,119 --> 00:50:17,280
that was proposed. Um but
[clears throat] that would that would um

667
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:24,839
already preset up the city after
annexation for development under the

668
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:24,839
public facilities zoning regulations.

669
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:34,800
So we did prepare a mitigated negative
declaration pursuant to SQA for this

670
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:38,160
project. And in that uh declaration,
you'll notice that we not only

671
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:43,119
considered the annexation, but at the
time we were also considering an

672
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:48,880
organics processing facility um anorobic
digtor similar, you know, to the one

673
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:53,359
that slows. Um that is no longer part of
the project. So today we are just

674
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:58,880
looking at the annexation. um that does
not change the outcome of the M &D. Um

675
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:03,599
should the city down the road after this
is annexed want to pursue that project

676
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:08,559
again. Um the city would then make a
determination if that M &D is adequate

677
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:12,480
um to cover whatever project is proposed
at that time. So it's always better to

678
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:16,960
have more in your environmental analysis
instead of um you having to come back

679
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:22,480
and redo it later. Um so that did
circulate earlier this spring and March.

680
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:26,559
Um the M andD determined that there were
no significant impacts. We do have some

681
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:31,920
mitigation measures in there for air
quality and biological resources. Kind

682
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:36,720
of your typical development parameters.
Those only apply if development is

683
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:39,920
happening. So there are no measures that
are needed just for changing the lines

684
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:43,839
on the map, which is essentially what
the annexation is doing. You're changing

685
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:48,480
the lines from county jurisdiction to
city jurisdiction. Um, but should future

686
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:52,480
development come down in the future, the
city could rely on those mitigation

687
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:55,720
measures and that M &D to proceed with a
future project.

688
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:01,520
Um, I won't read all these to you. I
know it's a lot of words and they're in

689
00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:06,079
your staff report, but there are several
findings that the city will be making um

690
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:09,760
as part of your resolution to proceed.
Um essentially what you will be doing as

691
00:52:08,319 --> 00:52:14,319
planning commission is making a
recommendation to city council to

692
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:19,520
proceed with annexation um of this
project. Should that um proceed to city

693
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:23,680
council and city council also um agrees
to move forward with the annexation. The

694
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:30,880
next step is to submit an application to
LAFCO agency commission and then that

695
00:52:27,359 --> 00:52:35,359
starts the process to formally um begin
uh incorporating the city. So, it

696
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:38,880
involves an application, there's a fee,
uh, LACAO will rely on that M andD that

697
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,880
I mentioned that we've already prepared
for this project. Um, there's some map

698
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:47,280
changes at the end that's done at the
state level. Um, and then after that,

699
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:51,680
the city will have uh control over what
goes on um on that land in the future

700
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:55,000
without having to go through the county
for entitlements.

701
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:02,880
Um, you do have several options. We are
recommending that your uh commission do

702
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:09,680
recommend to council to approve the
annexation and proceed with that LAFCO

703
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:14,000
application. Um you may um approve make
a recommendation for approval with some

704
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:18,480
modifications. You could recommend that
city council deny moving forward with

705
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:22,720
the annexation. And what that would mean
is if a city ever wanted to do anything

706
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:27,680
with that property, you would need to go
through the county. um their standards

707
00:53:25,119 --> 00:53:34,240
for agriculture uh would apply to the
project for any permits. Um and then

708
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:38,880
your last option is uh staff could
continue analyzing the project. If you

709
00:53:36,319 --> 00:53:44,280
had some specifics, we could look into
um certain details and come back with a

710
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,280
a recommendation.

711
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:50,319
Um, I think I kind of covered this, but
we are recommending your planning

712
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:54,800
commission take these act actions
basically approving the resolutions that

713
00:53:52,480 --> 00:54:00,240
includes adopting the mitigated negative
declaration um proce uh initiating

714
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:04,720
proceedings to annex the property and
then the related general plan amendments

715
00:54:02,240 --> 00:54:09,119
and prezoning. So prezoning is a little
different than a reszoning. Um basically

716
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:12,960
uh the city is saying this is what we
want the property to be zoned at. If the

717
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:18,559
annexation is successful and then once
that annexation process is complete with

718
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:23,599
LAFCO that prezoning becomes zoning. So
just a little nuance there.

719
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:28,240
I believe that's my last slide. If you
have any questions I'm here for it.

720
00:54:25,359 --> 00:54:34,160
» Yep. Uh open it up to the commission for
any questions, comments, concerns.

721
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:38,079
Seeing none over here. None to my left.
I just have a couple like housekeeping

722
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:42,480
ones just because I haven't been part of
an annexation one.

723
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:46,960
Could it be possible, not that they
would, that the county pushes back and

724
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:51,760
you know like no you can't have our land
like has that happened or does that

725
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:57,119
happen? Just curious out of curiosity
or is it LAFCO's ultimate authority? So

726
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:00,640
part of the annexation and the LACCO
process is a a property tax sharing

727
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:05,200
agreement between the city and the
county. And usually when there are

728
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:09,920
issues between two agencies involving an
annexation, that's where it gets held

729
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:13,700
up. There's not an agreement on how the
property tax sharing is going to shift

730
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:17,040
from county to city. In my
[clears throat] experience, that's

731
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:21,839
usually only an issue on properties that
are not to disparage landfill property,

732
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:25,280
but more lucrative. So those with like
retail or commercial zoning that are

733
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:29,520
going to generate sales tax that the
county would potentially be losing out

734
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:32,400
on um by giving that control to the
city.

735
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:36,160
» And then as far as like cuz to me the
city limits would be one square and then

736
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:40,880
obviously we have something part of the
city limits that's not attached to the

737
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:45,200
city like how how does that work in
compared to something that's right next

738
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:48,720
door or like how could we go annex some
property that's right next to St. Louis

739
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:52,799
Bispo for some reason? I'm I'm just this
is again just curiosity. No, good

740
00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:57,839
questions. Um, LAFCO does prefer
contiguous uh boundaries of districts or

741
00:55:55,920 --> 00:56:02,559
cities. Uh, the fact that the the
landfill proper is already part of the

742
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:06,319
city is um positive because now you're
not creating an island. There's already

743
00:56:04,079 --> 00:56:10,079
an island that you're just adding to.
Um,

744
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:13,440
in the future, like if you wanted to, as
Katie was talking about sphere of

745
00:56:11,119 --> 00:56:17,599
influence amendments, if city is super
built out and you're like, "Oh my gosh,

746
00:56:14,960 --> 00:56:22,160
we need more room." logical next um
sphere of influence area would probably

747
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:26,559
be connecting your uh two little
islands, big island, little island.

748
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:30,960
» But would there be anything to stop us
from getting unless it was LFCco like,

749
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:36,400
"Hey, we want some property way off the
reservation for some reason."

750
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:40,640
» No. Um, and I think even I think LA
County or maybe LA city um owns some

751
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:45,680
property that they have annexed out in
Kern County, which is super weird, but

752
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:49,839
it's for their waste water management.
It's possible. I would think in this

753
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:53,200
county that would be less favorable.
>> I would agree. [laughter] Nope. Just

754
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:57,200
those were my only questions. Uh, thanks
for the presentation. If there's no

755
00:56:55,760 --> 00:57:02,640
other questions for the commissioners,
I'll open up to public comment if

756
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:06,880
there's any people in the public. Nope.
Seeing none callers.

757
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:10,240
» There are no callers.
>> Okay, we're going to bring it back to

758
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:15,920
the commission. Um, just because there
are four items, are these all separate

759
00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:21,119
motions? Okay, so would someone like to
start getting to work on some motions?

760
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:26,880
» Commissioner Neil,
>> I I'm trying. Um, I'd like to move

761
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:31,119
approval of resolution A recommending
the city council adopt the mitigated

762
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:36,640
negative declaration and mitigation
monitoring and rep reporting program

763
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:39,119
pursuant to California Environmental
Quality Act.

764
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:40,720
» First by Neil.
>> I'll second.

765
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:46,640
» I'll second.
>> Second by Loren.

766
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:49,119
Any other comments? If not, roll call,
please.

767
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,960
» Commissioners Neil,
>> I.

768
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,200
» Commissioner Loren,
>> I. Commissioner Rhoden.

769
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:55,119
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Christensen.

770
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,119
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Kovar Rubius.

771
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:00,880
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Neil, I'm sorry.

772
00:57:58,799 --> 00:58:03,119
Commissioner Kovler.
>> I.

773
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:06,240
» And chairperson Marlo.
>> I.

774
00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:09,440
» Passes 70.
>> Commissioner Neil.

775
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:16,079
» I'd like to make a motion to approve
resolution B recommending initiation

776
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:19,440
of proceedings to annex property.
>> I'll second.

777
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:22,240
» First by Neil, second by Loren. Roll
call, please. Commissioner Neil.

778
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:24,079
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Lorenz.

779
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,839
» I.
>> Commissioner Rhoden.

780
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,599
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Christensen.

781
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,599
» Hi.
>> Commissioner K Rubius.

782
00:58:28,799 --> 00:58:31,520
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Kogler.

783
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:34,319
» I.
>> And chairperson Marlo.

784
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:38,640
» I.
>> Commissioner Neil.

785
00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:44,559
» I'd like to move approval of resolution
C recommending approval of general plan

786
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:47,920
amendment 26-01.
>> I'll second.

787
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:52,240
» First by Neil, second by Loren. Roll
call, please. Commissioner Neil.

788
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,160
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Loren.

789
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,680
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Rhoden.

790
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:57,359
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Christensen.

791
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,119
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Karubius.

792
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,720
» Hi.
>> Commissioner Kovler.

793
00:59:00,319 --> 00:59:03,359
» Hi.
>> And chairperson Marlo.

794
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:08,230
» I.
>> Commissioner Neil.

795
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:08,230
» Oh. [laughter]

796
00:59:09,200 --> 00:59:19,359
I'd like to move approval of resolution
D recommending approval of prezoning

797
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:22,480
zoning code text amendment 26-01.
>> I'll second.

798
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:24,640
» First by Neil, second by Loren. Roll
call, please.

799
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,240
» Commissioner Neil,
>> I.

800
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,839
» Commissioner Loren,
>> I.

801
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:29,520
» Commissioner Rhoden,
>> I.

802
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,040
» Commissioner Christensen,
>> I.

803
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,720
» Commissioner Co Rubius.
>> Hi.

804
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,400
» Commissioner Kogler,
>> I.

805
00:59:33,119 --> 00:59:39,200
» Chairperson Marlo,
>> I.

806
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:44,160
» Passes 70. Great. Thank you so much.
Thank you. Appreciate it. Uh discussion

807
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:49,200
items. I'm seeing none.
>> Move on to I consent calendar. Anyone

808
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:54,160
have any questions or comments regarding
the consent calendars? If not, I'd

809
00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:56,720
entertain a motion of approval.
Commissioner Neil,

810
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:59,760
» I'll move approval of the consent
calendar.

811
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:03,280
» First by Neil.
>> I'll second.

812
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:06,160
» Second by Loren.
Roll call, please.

813
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:08,480
» Commissioner Neil.
>> I. Commissioner Loren,

814
01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:10,640
» I.
>> Commissioner Rhoden,

815
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:12,640
» I
>> Commissioner Christensen,

816
01:00:12,319 --> 01:00:14,559
» I.
>> Commissioner Kubius,

817
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,079
» hi.
>> Commissioner Kler,

818
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:21,760
» I.
>> And Chairperson Marlo,

819
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:27,280
» I. Okay. Item J1, Housing Constraints
and Opportunities Committee zoning code

820
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:30,319
update report. Any
update there, Darren?

821
01:00:29,119 --> 01:00:37,040
» No report tonight.
>> No report. And DRC rotation schedule.

822
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:45,240
Any challenges, comments? Marcy, did we
get everything filled so far off your

823
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:45,240
your email there?

824
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:53,480
» Ashley, can you confirm the dates that
you are covering?

825
01:00:54,480 --> 01:01:01,040
» I'm definitely covering on the 28th. Um,
I believe I should be able to cover on

826
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:04,000
the 21st.
Um,

827
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,440
» I don't see a problem with either of
those.

828
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:14,680
» Okay. Thank you.
>> And then Roden, were you covering

829
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the 14th or the 21st? I don't remember.

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01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:24,480
I saw emails flying around.
Yeah, I think I said I was I was going

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to cover the 14th.
>> We need two people on 21st

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01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:30,160
» and
say what?

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01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:35,599
» We need two. We need two people on the
21st. Yeah. Um and I can also cover the

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01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:42,079
21st.
>> Okay, great. So, it looks like we got

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01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:45,359
all the absences in September handled.
Commissioner Neil, did you have

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01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,359
» Yeah, just again, if there's a hiccup, I
can do it remotely.

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01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:49,839
» Okay.
>> Be in teams.

838
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:54,640
» Thank you. Thank you for letting us
know. Um,

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01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:58,640
so actually speaking to that, I was
informed and during DRC, I don't know if

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01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:04,720
this was going to come up in staff
comments, but our 6 months trial period

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01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:08,960
of the 4:00 p.m. DRC meetings has come
to an end and it's going to be just by

842
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:14,799
default going back to 3:30 is what I was
told during the DRC on Monday.

843
01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:19,440
» That was per the the action that the
commission took to place at 4:00. So,

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01:02:17,359 --> 01:02:22,079
that's now Kaput and we are officially
going back to 3:30 starting Monday the

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31st.
>> Correct.

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01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:30,240
» Okay, great. Um, that sounds good. I may
end up throwing my hat in the ring to do

847
01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:35,040
those remote, but we can I'll work that
out with the city. Um,

848
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:38,799
» yeah, I think and uh, you know, Warren
is the planning commissioner secretary,

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01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:42,559
so I think he needs to if if that's
something that you're looking into, I

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01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:49,359
know the city the city clerk as well.
So, there's some challenges with doing

851
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:53,440
that. Um and um I think they should take
that into consideration

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01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:56,079
» so that they can properly provide you
back with what would need to happen or

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01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:59,520
if it's even feasible.
>> Absolutely. So I'll discuss that with

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01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:04,240
them. Commissioner Christensen.
>> Um I know it's going back to 3:30, but

855
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:07,359
was there just this is out of curiosity
because I I don't know if there was a

856
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:11,359
report on it. Was it a negative outcome
at 4:00 or was that something that most

857
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,319
I know I didn't have a problem with it,
but I was just curious if that was an

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01:03:12,799 --> 01:03:19,200
issue for staff or
>> I think that 3:30 worked better for

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01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:23,920
staff and applicants involved with
presenting or applicants and their

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01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:27,119
representatives. Okay. The 3:30 uh we
got in a bind sometimes at 4:00 when we

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01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:32,240
had items
>> very much understanding that some

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01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:38,160
agendas are very light. Um, but just in
general, the 3:30 start time uh is I

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01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:42,720
think worked better for staff and uh
applicants. I think it if it's something

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01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:46,640
that we want to discuss again, it's
something we can discuss. We just had a

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01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:49,680
a sunset on that
>> first go around.

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01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:52,799
» Yeah. And and
Commissioner Rhoden,

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01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:56,480
» I was I was just going to say I think we
discussed part of the the problem for

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01:03:55,039 --> 01:04:02,799
the other commissioners that weren't
there. Um the city clerk was concerned

869
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:06,720
that if we continued to change the
times, you know, because we said if

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01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:12,640
there's a lot, we can change it to 3:30.
That there need to be a consistency in

871
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:18,079
time, whatever that is. So that was why
we want a consistency.

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01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:22,400
» Yeah, I'm not going to make a fuss at
this time because I know most of it was

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01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:27,440
moved uh to support me. But but the one
comment that I would say is as we get

874
01:04:24,799 --> 01:04:30,799
new commissioners and people are you
know working it it's definitely a lot

875
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:35,119
more convenient because I got to you
know leave fairly early but it's a

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01:04:33,039 --> 01:04:39,039
commitment I have and I understand and I
will work hopefully we can work with the

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01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:45,520
city to continue to to make it work. So
um moving on if there's nothing else on

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01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:50,160
DRC rotation schedule moving on to K
planning commissioners comments. Any

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01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:55,680
comments for planning commissioners?
Seeing none staff comments?

880
01:04:52,799 --> 01:04:58,799
» No, we talked about the DRC. Um but uh
other than that uh no further comments

881
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:02,400
tonight.
>> Okay. Can I get a motion for

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01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:05,520
adjournment?
>> I move to

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01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:08,720
» Okay. Second
>> by Kogler and second by Christensen

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01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:12,799
» vice versa
>> or vice versa. Uh [laughter]

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01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:13,680
roll call.
Hi.

886
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:19,400
» Hi.
>> Hi.

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01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,400
» Hi.