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And we will continue 26 00:01:30,467 --> 00:01:31,567 with announcements. 27 00:01:32,066 --> 00:01:33,133 Are there any announcements? 28 00:01:34,100 --> 00:01:37,000 And I'm not, I'm just looking up. 29 00:01:37,166 --> 00:01:41,000 I see some of our friends online. None there. 30 00:01:41,100 --> 00:01:42,867 We'll go on to posted. 31 00:01:43,867 --> 00:01:45,867 Any, any additions to the posted agenda? 32 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,266 I'm seeing no request for that. 33 00:01:49,333 --> 00:01:50,667 We'll go on to public comments. 34 00:01:51,300 --> 00:01:54,700 Does anybody have anything to add that is not already, 35 00:01:55,767 --> 00:01:58,667 will not already be addressed in the upcoming agenda? 36 00:01:59,033 --> 00:02:03,066 Okay. Seeing none, we start out with 37 00:02:03,700 --> 00:02:05,467 presentations and public hearings. 38 00:02:05,533 --> 00:02:07,100 We have one item under that 39 00:02:07,700 --> 00:02:09,467 and it is the proposed Ordinance 40 00:02:10,233 --> 00:02:14,266 20 26 6 58 adding short term 41 00:02:14,433 --> 00:02:15,700 rental regulations. 42 00:02:16,066 --> 00:02:18,033 And I'm assuming, yes, I will take that. Amy will take that. 43 00:02:18,767 --> 00:02:20,700 - So at your August 19th meeting, 44 00:02:20,867 --> 00:02:22,900 we gave you the short-term rental report 45 00:02:23,100 --> 00:02:24,700 and made some recommendations on 46 00:02:24,700 --> 00:02:27,133 how we think our short-term rental program should change. 47 00:02:27,700 --> 00:02:29,834 We were asked to take this back to the planning commission 48 00:02:29,834 --> 00:02:31,166 and discuss the changes with them, 49 00:02:31,166 --> 00:02:34,000 which we did at their September 14th meeting. 50 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:36,734 The planning commission was supportive of moving ahead 51 00:02:36,734 --> 00:02:37,934 with the proposed changes. 52 00:02:38,300 --> 00:02:40,433 So those changes, I'll just kind of go over them briefly. 53 00:02:40,500 --> 00:02:42,567 These are just some of them, but these are the big ones. 54 00:02:43,166 --> 00:02:46,867 Non-owner occupied short-term rentals will only be allowed 55 00:02:47,433 --> 00:02:49,867 in the same Zoning districts where we allow hotels. 56 00:02:49,867 --> 00:02:53,266 So that would be the C one, general commercial C two plan. 57 00:02:53,266 --> 00:02:54,900 Commercial ct, 58 00:02:54,900 --> 00:02:58,467 commercial transitional PC plan community only in Toftrees 59 00:02:58,634 --> 00:03:01,033 and Oakwood and Planned airport district. 60 00:03:01,033 --> 00:03:02,367 In the non-residential area, 61 00:03:03,133 --> 00:03:06,467 owner-occupied short-term rentals will be allowed in all 62 00:03:06,467 --> 00:03:07,734 of the residential districts. 63 00:03:07,734 --> 00:03:11,033 That includes the R one rural residence, R two, low density 64 00:03:11,700 --> 00:03:15,567 R three, medium density, RMHP, manufactured Home Park, 65 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:18,066 RM manufactured home residence. 66 00:03:18,233 --> 00:03:21,867 A one rural rural district PC plan, community district 67 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,266 and PAD Planned Airport District in the residential area 68 00:03:25,834 --> 00:03:27,533 to qualify as owner occupied, 69 00:03:27,567 --> 00:03:29,767 the property owner must live in the dwelling for a period 70 00:03:29,767 --> 00:03:31,033 of at least six calendar months 71 00:03:31,100 --> 00:03:33,934 and must provide proof to the Township that you live in. 72 00:03:33,934 --> 00:03:36,266 The dwelling, the occupancy 73 00:03:36,433 --> 00:03:39,033 of a short term rental dwelling may not exceed the occupancy 74 00:03:39,033 --> 00:03:40,867 limit that's set by the code agency. 75 00:03:41,467 --> 00:03:42,700 So they can't advertise 76 00:03:42,700 --> 00:03:45,000 that they will have 17 people in a short term rental 77 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:46,934 unless the code agency certifies 78 00:03:46,934 --> 00:03:48,467 that's the occupancy of the property. 79 00:03:49,233 --> 00:03:53,066 We will only permit one accessory dwelling unit per 80 00:03:53,066 --> 00:03:54,634 owner occupied dwelling unit. 81 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,066 No more than one accessory dwelling unit 82 00:03:57,100 --> 00:03:58,333 may be located on the lot. 83 00:03:58,834 --> 00:04:01,333 Property owner shall be a resident of the main dwelling unit 84 00:04:01,867 --> 00:04:04,567 and only one rental permit will be issued in the single 85 00:04:04,700 --> 00:04:06,066 for the single family dwelling 86 00:04:06,100 --> 00:04:07,133 per single family dwelling lot. 87 00:04:07,433 --> 00:04:08,533 The accessory dwelling unit 88 00:04:09,133 --> 00:04:11,533 for the owner occupied could be used as a long-term rental 89 00:04:11,667 --> 00:04:13,066 or a short-term rental when 90 00:04:13,066 --> 00:04:14,734 that main dwelling is owner occupied. 91 00:04:15,033 --> 00:04:17,500 So we have the draft Ordinance mainly together. 92 00:04:17,500 --> 00:04:19,100 We had it in your agenda. 93 00:04:19,166 --> 00:04:21,033 We are some things we have to continue adding. 94 00:04:21,033 --> 00:04:22,634 We've been working with the solicitor on that. 95 00:04:23,133 --> 00:04:24,934 But if you're comfortable with the language 96 00:04:24,934 --> 00:04:27,300 that we've presented, we would like to get this scheduled 97 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:29,533 for its Public Hearing on October 28th. 98 00:04:32,467 --> 00:04:33,934 - Thank you very much. Any 99 00:04:34,133 --> 00:04:37,100 comments, questions from the board? 100 00:04:38,367 --> 00:04:40,867 - I make a motion to direct the staff 101 00:04:40,900 --> 00:04:42,000 to advertise the Ordinance 102 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,567 for Public Hearing on October 28th, 2026. 103 00:04:46,467 --> 00:04:49,533 - Any other comments? I had a, 104 00:04:49,867 --> 00:04:51,567 - Why don't you get a second to the motion first. Oh 105 00:04:51,634 --> 00:04:52,634 - Yeah, thank you. 106 00:04:52,634 --> 00:04:53,734 - I mean, I'll second I - Do have a question. 107 00:04:53,734 --> 00:04:55,000 Great, thank you. Okay. 108 00:04:55,066 --> 00:04:58,533 Any thank you for the motion to the second. Any questions or 109 00:04:59,100 --> 00:05:00,100 - I do have a, a question. 110 00:05:00,133 --> 00:05:02,266 What is gonna be, what's gonna be required 111 00:05:02,500 --> 00:05:03,767 for proof that it's owner 112 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:05,000 - Occupied? 113 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,033 So the draft language we say, let me find it here. 114 00:05:16,667 --> 00:05:17,867 Oh, under occupied? Yeah. 115 00:05:18,100 --> 00:05:20,033 So driver's license, 116 00:05:20,033 --> 00:05:22,467 government issued identification card copy 117 00:05:22,467 --> 00:05:23,500 of the most recent year's, 118 00:05:23,500 --> 00:05:25,367 income tax return vehicle registration, 119 00:05:25,767 --> 00:05:28,133 voter registration statements such as medical 120 00:05:28,233 --> 00:05:30,233 or utility services or a pay stub. 121 00:05:30,333 --> 00:05:32,300 And we're gonna require two forms. Okay. 122 00:05:33,867 --> 00:05:36,934 We also are adding a space, if you live in a community 123 00:05:36,934 --> 00:05:40,033 that has a homeowner's association that your HOA has 124 00:05:40,033 --> 00:05:41,033 to sign off that you're allowed 125 00:05:41,033 --> 00:05:42,100 to have a short term rental. Yep. 126 00:05:43,100 --> 00:05:46,634 - Just one question for the, the people that, 127 00:05:46,900 --> 00:05:48,700 or the districts that would qualify 128 00:05:48,900 --> 00:05:50,767 for both short and long term. 129 00:05:52,033 --> 00:05:54,000 Can they go back and forth with this 130 00:05:54,066 --> 00:05:56,033 or would they have to be one or the other? 131 00:05:56,333 --> 00:05:58,300 - So if they're gonna switch from a short term 132 00:05:58,367 --> 00:05:59,700 to a long term, they would have 133 00:05:59,700 --> 00:06:01,934 to file a new rental housing permit for the long term 134 00:06:01,934 --> 00:06:03,033 because we're gonna start tracking 135 00:06:03,166 --> 00:06:04,233 short term and long terms. 136 00:06:04,867 --> 00:06:06,100 - But they, they could do it, 137 00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:07,033 they would just have to go through 138 00:06:07,033 --> 00:06:08,033 - That. 139 00:06:08,033 --> 00:06:09,734 Yeah. It's the same rental housing code that they follow. 140 00:06:10,300 --> 00:06:12,033 - I was gonna say they wouldn't have to go back 141 00:06:12,033 --> 00:06:13,567 to code, it's just they would just have to 142 00:06:13,567 --> 00:06:14,567 - Go back. 143 00:06:14,567 --> 00:06:16,266 They would have to file probably a change with code. 144 00:06:16,266 --> 00:06:18,100 So code knows it's a long-term rental then. Okay. 145 00:06:18,133 --> 00:06:19,100 But it's the same rental 146 00:06:19,100 --> 00:06:20,500 housing code that they would follow. Okay. 147 00:06:20,533 --> 00:06:22,000 - Alright. That was the whole question. 148 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:24,500 You had something great. Thanks. Anything else? 149 00:06:25,934 --> 00:06:28,500 I had a, a minor edit 150 00:06:28,867 --> 00:06:31,000 and it it, it may sound picky 151 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,033 but when I read it first time I was a little confused. 152 00:06:34,133 --> 00:06:36,533 So someone else is gonna read it and be a little confused. 153 00:06:37,133 --> 00:06:38,934 It is on page, 154 00:06:42,934 --> 00:06:44,100 sorry, it's on page two 155 00:06:44,734 --> 00:06:47,934 and it's actually in the definitions section. 156 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,533 I should have just said that. The first paragraph 157 00:06:50,567 --> 00:06:51,834 accessory dwelling unit. 158 00:06:51,934 --> 00:06:54,367 Yep. It reads an accessory 159 00:06:54,500 --> 00:06:59,066 or secondary living unit with a one family detached dwelling 160 00:06:59,100 --> 00:07:02,300 that has a separate kitchen, bathroom and sleeping area. 161 00:07:04,867 --> 00:07:06,500 What I would suggest is that it, 162 00:07:07,233 --> 00:07:09,300 because when I first read that, I thought that maybe the, 163 00:07:09,634 --> 00:07:13,133 the dwelling unit itself had to have a separate bathroom 164 00:07:14,700 --> 00:07:16,533 sleeping kitchen area from, from itself. 165 00:07:16,900 --> 00:07:20,767 So would not include an efficiency apartment. 166 00:07:22,266 --> 00:07:24,700 So I just suggest that we simply change it to 167 00:07:28,266 --> 00:07:32,066 living unit, to secondary living unit 168 00:07:32,166 --> 00:07:36,066 to a one family detached dwelling that has a kitchen, 169 00:07:36,333 --> 00:07:38,100 bathroom and sleeping area. 170 00:07:38,634 --> 00:07:42,133 That's a question comma separate 171 00:07:43,100 --> 00:07:46,100 but existing in the same lot. 172 00:07:47,033 --> 00:07:49,433 - So I'll, I appreciate that comment, 173 00:07:49,567 --> 00:07:51,900 but we're trying to keep this language the same 174 00:07:51,900 --> 00:07:53,900 as the language that the state is proposing 175 00:07:54,333 --> 00:07:56,333 in their bill on accessory dwelling units. 176 00:07:56,533 --> 00:07:58,467 So this actually mirrors their language. 177 00:07:58,767 --> 00:08:00,100 - You should have stopped me then. So 178 00:08:00,367 --> 00:08:01,367 - You - Were so polite. 179 00:08:01,734 --> 00:08:03,467 I appreciate the language. Okay. 180 00:08:03,734 --> 00:08:06,066 - So I apologize. It's a good comment but 181 00:08:06,467 --> 00:08:07,567 - I am fine with that. 182 00:08:07,734 --> 00:08:10,133 But I will say whatever, take it up with Josh Shapiro, 183 00:08:10,467 --> 00:08:13,066 take it with, take it up with Josh Shapiro. 184 00:08:13,066 --> 00:08:14,066 - He didn't write the language. 185 00:08:14,233 --> 00:08:16,066 - I know that's a point, 186 00:08:16,533 --> 00:08:19,100 but he can get the language amended. 187 00:08:19,634 --> 00:08:21,166 So Betsy's feedback 188 00:08:21,634 --> 00:08:23,367 - If someone has something, 189 00:08:24,066 --> 00:08:25,934 'cause I remember in grad school a friend 190 00:08:25,934 --> 00:08:27,166 renting, so she had no kitchen. 191 00:08:29,066 --> 00:08:31,100 - So if you have no kitchen, that's technically, 192 00:08:31,333 --> 00:08:33,333 I believe not an accessory dwelling unit. 193 00:08:34,033 --> 00:08:36,000 It's the kitchen that makes it, 194 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:37,100 the accessory dwelling unit. Ah, 195 00:08:37,166 --> 00:08:38,166 - Okay. 196 00:08:38,367 --> 00:08:40,100 - Interesting. So what is it then? Just a renter? 197 00:08:41,567 --> 00:08:43,500 - Probably an illegal renter, but yes, 198 00:08:43,634 --> 00:08:45,634 - An illegal - Renter. I don't know. I'm 199 00:08:46,033 --> 00:08:47,033 - Okay. 200 00:08:47,333 --> 00:08:48,834 - Lots of lots of microwave food. 201 00:08:49,100 --> 00:08:51,500 - Yeah, you have to, you have to speak up 202 00:08:51,500 --> 00:08:52,834 because this thing's not working. So 203 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,233 - I just said lots of microwave 204 00:08:54,233 --> 00:08:55,233 - Food. 205 00:08:55,233 --> 00:08:56,133 Well, and also a microwave counts 206 00:08:56,133 --> 00:08:57,700 as a cooking facility. Yeah. 207 00:08:57,867 --> 00:08:59,467 - So, so true. 208 00:09:02,100 --> 00:09:06,233 What about a, a family that wants 209 00:09:06,300 --> 00:09:09,100 to help out by taking in a graduate student? 210 00:09:09,567 --> 00:09:11,867 And I know of several people who've done that. 211 00:09:12,567 --> 00:09:13,734 So they'll advertise 212 00:09:13,767 --> 00:09:15,834 or, you know, reach out to a particular department. 213 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,100 'cause they've, they've hosted people. In fact, 214 00:09:17,100 --> 00:09:18,100 we had somebody like that. 215 00:09:19,700 --> 00:09:21,233 We went through code. It was, it was okay. 216 00:09:21,266 --> 00:09:25,667 But they had a separate room. They did not. 217 00:09:25,700 --> 00:09:26,934 And they had access to the kitchen, 218 00:09:27,033 --> 00:09:29,734 but it was not separate from what we had. 219 00:09:30,166 --> 00:09:31,500 Will that be allowed under this? 220 00:09:32,533 --> 00:09:35,033 - I think that's allowed Now you're choosing to take 221 00:09:35,033 --> 00:09:38,133 that person into your dwelling unit with you. Yeah. Yeah. 222 00:09:38,734 --> 00:09:41,066 - And - We just, it's not an accessory dwelling unit 223 00:09:41,066 --> 00:09:43,233 because they don't have a separate kitchen or 224 00:09:43,734 --> 00:09:44,734 - Bathroom area. 225 00:09:44,734 --> 00:09:45,867 Right. Okay. Yep. So it's just a renter. Yeah. 226 00:09:45,867 --> 00:09:46,934 I mean we just called him a roommate. 227 00:09:47,033 --> 00:09:50,900 Yeah, he's, he's, he's a good dude. Okay, great. Thank you. 228 00:09:52,133 --> 00:09:55,033 Any more discussion questions? Okay. 229 00:09:55,033 --> 00:09:59,300 If not, we'll I'll, we have to have a vote. 230 00:09:59,667 --> 00:10:03,467 So all those in favor of it signify by saying aye. Aye. 231 00:10:03,467 --> 00:10:08,367 Any opposed? Okay. Goes on to wherever goes on to. 232 00:10:10,133 --> 00:10:15,033 Thank you. We are now, and I apologize 233 00:10:15,266 --> 00:10:19,100 'cause I usually have my little handy dandy form set out 234 00:10:19,300 --> 00:10:23,767 color coded and that's the wrong one. 235 00:10:25,867 --> 00:10:29,934 Okay. We're now going on to public safety, 236 00:10:30,033 --> 00:10:32,300 but there are no items, sorry 237 00:10:32,300 --> 00:10:33,867 to say Chief, glad to have you here. 238 00:10:33,867 --> 00:10:38,567 You may always public works also. 239 00:10:38,567 --> 00:10:41,467 No items but rhyme. We're glad to have you here as always. 240 00:10:41,934 --> 00:10:44,133 So now planning and Zoning, we've got several items. 241 00:10:46,066 --> 00:10:48,467 Looks like two. Yes. So I'm assuming you'll take that 242 00:10:48,467 --> 00:10:49,467 - In. 243 00:10:49,467 --> 00:10:50,100 Yeah, so Ellen Foreman is here 244 00:10:50,100 --> 00:10:51,500 to give the planning commission report. 245 00:10:51,500 --> 00:10:53,033 - Oh, I, you know, I could have gone right down to that. 246 00:10:54,500 --> 00:10:58,634 It was highlighted in my other copy pretty 247 00:10:58,634 --> 00:10:59,834 - Fast. We had a great meeting. 248 00:11:00,133 --> 00:11:02,500 - Hello Ellen. Welcome. - Nice to see you all. Okay. 249 00:11:02,900 --> 00:11:05,333 We had a great meeting. We did see the 250 00:11:06,533 --> 00:11:09,333 final land development plan for patent crossing. 251 00:11:10,133 --> 00:11:13,567 And I would say I, I think they'll be maybe here 252 00:11:13,834 --> 00:11:15,500 to answer questions or whatever, 253 00:11:15,567 --> 00:11:19,533 but we, we, we did recommend moving forward the questions 254 00:11:19,533 --> 00:11:22,133 that we had had a lot to do with the traffic 255 00:11:22,667 --> 00:11:25,500 and like routing traffic through the, 256 00:11:26,333 --> 00:11:29,467 through the entire development. 257 00:11:29,700 --> 00:11:32,634 So the way that I think 258 00:11:33,100 --> 00:11:36,734 you all recommended we move forward was to, 259 00:11:38,333 --> 00:11:40,066 in six months revisit or, 260 00:11:40,166 --> 00:11:42,333 or a certain period of time, revisit how 261 00:11:42,333 --> 00:11:44,333 that traffic is flowing. 262 00:11:45,233 --> 00:11:47,700 Because there's basically three drive throughs. 263 00:11:47,834 --> 00:11:50,767 I know one is, you know, for a pickup window 264 00:11:50,900 --> 00:11:53,734 for a restaurant, another one is for an actual drive through 265 00:11:54,033 --> 00:11:55,867 and the bank is actually a drive through. 266 00:11:55,867 --> 00:11:57,133 So there's a lot going on there. 267 00:11:57,333 --> 00:11:59,233 So we were just a little worried about that. 268 00:12:00,367 --> 00:12:03,066 And then the only other things we talked about were the 269 00:12:03,066 --> 00:12:06,233 short term regulations, which I thought were great. 270 00:12:07,033 --> 00:12:08,934 I think the whole commission thought they were very good. 271 00:12:09,367 --> 00:12:12,333 And then the request 272 00:12:12,367 --> 00:12:16,734 to regulate storage containers by a member of the public 273 00:12:17,367 --> 00:12:18,367 in front yards. 274 00:12:18,700 --> 00:12:22,300 And so that's people putting parking pods in front yards 275 00:12:22,567 --> 00:12:26,100 and waste disposal containers and things like that. 276 00:12:26,867 --> 00:12:31,767 And so we did think that the staff should move forward 277 00:12:31,767 --> 00:12:34,333 with looking at an Ordinance 278 00:12:34,433 --> 00:12:36,367 or some kind of regulations for that. 279 00:12:37,100 --> 00:12:39,634 And that was pretty much it. Right? Yeah. Nothing else. 280 00:12:39,834 --> 00:12:41,100 Okay. Good. That's it. 281 00:12:41,700 --> 00:12:44,500 - Thanks. - I don't know if people had questions about 282 00:12:44,634 --> 00:12:46,066 the is are they, they're 283 00:12:46,066 --> 00:12:47,700 - Here for patent crossing. Okay. 284 00:12:47,700 --> 00:12:50,300 - Great. Anybody else? Anybody have any questions for Ellen? 285 00:12:50,567 --> 00:12:52,000 No. Yes, no, no. 286 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,700 I was just saying thank oh, was a Thank you. Yeah. 287 00:12:53,867 --> 00:12:55,333 Thanks for thinking outside the box 288 00:12:55,634 --> 00:12:56,734 as always with your team. 289 00:12:56,900 --> 00:13:00,567 Yep. And we've actually already addressed the 290 00:13:00,567 --> 00:13:02,000 storage unit. We, we are, 291 00:13:02,500 --> 00:13:03,734 - That's been sent to the planning commission 292 00:13:03,734 --> 00:13:06,500 and now Nicole is actually working on Ordinance language, 293 00:13:06,500 --> 00:13:08,467 which they won't meet in October 294 00:13:08,467 --> 00:13:09,934 because we don't have any agenda items. 295 00:13:10,066 --> 00:13:11,000 But they'll meet in November 296 00:13:11,133 --> 00:13:13,333 and we'll look at a draft Ordinance then for that. 297 00:13:13,900 --> 00:13:18,066 - Great. I knew I had crossed our agenda, crossed our deck. 298 00:13:18,166 --> 00:13:22,033 Okay. We're on to patent crossing phase two C, 299 00:13:22,500 --> 00:13:26,033 final land development plan and who is, 300 00:13:26,567 --> 00:13:29,000 - So I'll kick it off and then we have Tony Retal here 301 00:13:29,133 --> 00:13:31,133 and we actually have the plan ready to go this time, Tony, 302 00:13:31,333 --> 00:13:32,934 so we don't have the B team today. 303 00:13:34,333 --> 00:13:38,266 Okay. So 1752 North Atherton Street Associates submitted the 304 00:13:38,266 --> 00:13:41,000 final land development plan for patent crossing phase two C. 305 00:13:41,934 --> 00:13:44,000 This is where the Aldi is located in the 306 00:13:44,266 --> 00:13:45,266 Cava is being located. 307 00:13:45,467 --> 00:13:48,100 You did the conditional use for this at your last meeting. 308 00:13:48,133 --> 00:13:49,233 Project consists 309 00:13:49,233 --> 00:13:51,867 of a 3,500 square foot fast casual restaurant 310 00:13:52,033 --> 00:13:53,066 and a 7,000 311 00:13:53,066 --> 00:13:56,266 seven hundred, seven hundred and ninety one square foot bank. 312 00:13:56,634 --> 00:13:58,266 The restaurant will be a single story building 313 00:13:58,266 --> 00:13:59,834 with a full service drive through window 314 00:13:59,900 --> 00:14:01,033 and dual order points. 315 00:14:01,467 --> 00:14:03,233 The bank will be a two story building 316 00:14:03,233 --> 00:14:06,000 with customer service area offices walk up ATM 317 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,734 and single lane drive through window. 318 00:14:08,500 --> 00:14:10,066 As Ellen discussed, 319 00:14:10,066 --> 00:14:12,233 the planning commission's concerns were related 320 00:14:12,266 --> 00:14:14,000 to the internal traffic flow 321 00:14:14,467 --> 00:14:17,266 and one of the conditions of your approval was that queuing 322 00:14:17,266 --> 00:14:19,033 and stacking analysis be completed 323 00:14:19,033 --> 00:14:20,533 after the businesses are in 324 00:14:20,533 --> 00:14:22,500 and we can see how traffic is flowing. 325 00:14:22,567 --> 00:14:24,634 So Tony, if we pull up the plan, 326 00:14:24,634 --> 00:14:26,767 you wanna just talk a little bit about it for us? Sure. 327 00:14:27,734 --> 00:14:28,000 - Great. 328 00:14:32,867 --> 00:14:37,033 - A new spy here. Sure. Tony Freckle, Panera Engineering. 329 00:14:37,100 --> 00:14:39,033 Been here before to talk about this project. 330 00:14:39,300 --> 00:14:40,300 I think you're all familiar with 331 00:14:40,500 --> 00:14:41,500 the location and everything. 332 00:14:41,834 --> 00:14:45,734 So as Amy said, this is the addition of a 333 00:14:46,734 --> 00:14:48,066 8,000 square foot bank. 334 00:14:48,100 --> 00:14:50,934 Two story kind of sits in the middle of the, the property 335 00:14:51,100 --> 00:14:53,533 or in the middle of the two C area. 336 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,000 One story, 3,500 square foot 337 00:14:57,934 --> 00:15:00,066 restaurant have dual drive through lanes. 338 00:15:00,066 --> 00:15:03,133 We'll see it here in a minute. The restaurant will have some 339 00:15:03,166 --> 00:15:05,266 outdoor seating associated with it as well. 340 00:15:05,767 --> 00:15:07,266 There we go. I'll take this. 341 00:15:09,066 --> 00:15:13,934 Yeah, so just to orient, this is the existing kava building 342 00:15:13,934 --> 00:15:15,634 that you can see it's being built right now. 343 00:15:16,834 --> 00:15:17,934 Just as a quick update, 344 00:15:17,934 --> 00:15:20,133 final paving was completed on that last week. 345 00:15:21,834 --> 00:15:24,533 I think the, all the code items were signed off 346 00:15:24,667 --> 00:15:26,767 and they're outfitting that building right now. 347 00:15:27,066 --> 00:15:29,734 So I'm thinking somewhere 348 00:15:29,734 --> 00:15:32,100 around the holidays they'll be looking for occupancy 349 00:15:32,166 --> 00:15:33,266 to, to open that up. 350 00:15:34,133 --> 00:15:37,100 The proposal for this plan is the bank sits right here 351 00:15:37,033 --> 00:15:38,233 along Atherton Street. 352 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:40,634 The restaurant sits right here along this 353 00:15:40,634 --> 00:15:41,700 side of the, the site. 354 00:15:41,834 --> 00:15:44,066 There's dual drive through lanes, dual order points, 355 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:45,233 pick up window right here. 356 00:15:45,266 --> 00:15:49,533 The exit through here. The bank does have a, a teller win, 357 00:15:50,133 --> 00:15:51,300 a drive through teller window. 358 00:15:52,734 --> 00:15:56,233 It does not have an a pull up ATM, there was an ATM 359 00:15:56,233 --> 00:15:57,367 but it's a walk up in front. 360 00:15:57,467 --> 00:16:00,700 So you have to park in front to go to that, just like 361 00:16:01,133 --> 00:16:05,066 that was considered as part of the, the traffic study. 362 00:16:05,166 --> 00:16:07,266 And hey, how much queuing do we have at the bank? 363 00:16:07,734 --> 00:16:09,266 Not a whole lot because there's, 364 00:16:09,634 --> 00:16:11,734 because the, that ATM is not there. 365 00:16:13,433 --> 00:16:16,634 It does have, people can enter the drive through lane 366 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:18,867 for the restaurant the whole way on this side. 367 00:16:18,867 --> 00:16:20,033 So there's, there's queuing 368 00:16:20,033 --> 00:16:21,767 that could wrap the whole way around. 369 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,734 This, this part of the, the site that's 20 some cars 370 00:16:26,333 --> 00:16:28,834 in addition to the 15 that can, can queue here. 371 00:16:29,066 --> 00:16:31,033 So I know that's a big, that's a big deal 372 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:32,100 with the, with the Township. 373 00:16:32,333 --> 00:16:35,367 And all of those vehicles would not be in the way 374 00:16:35,367 --> 00:16:37,100 of any additional parking, any other 375 00:16:38,867 --> 00:16:40,100 drive aisles or anything like that. 376 00:16:40,433 --> 00:16:44,500 So that was kind of the thought, get those folks out 377 00:16:44,500 --> 00:16:46,100 of the way of everything else on the site. 378 00:16:47,133 --> 00:16:50,834 There is a DA access from the existing sidewalk 379 00:16:50,900 --> 00:16:52,133 that comes up the main driveway. 380 00:16:52,700 --> 00:16:54,934 There will be A-D-A-A-D-A access down 381 00:16:55,100 --> 00:16:56,333 the new road that's proposed. 382 00:16:56,533 --> 00:16:59,333 This, this comes down the opposite side. 383 00:17:00,133 --> 00:17:03,634 It is a right in right out off of Atherton Street. 384 00:17:04,133 --> 00:17:06,867 The apron for this was actually put in as part of the 385 00:17:08,367 --> 00:17:10,734 highway occupancy work that was done when the, 386 00:17:10,734 --> 00:17:12,834 when the site was, was first built. 387 00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:15,467 It's right in right out. It will remain. 388 00:17:15,467 --> 00:17:20,033 So there will be some signage that goes over here that kind 389 00:17:20,033 --> 00:17:22,000 of lets folks know, hey, you're heading 390 00:17:22,033 --> 00:17:24,767 to a right out when you get down here, there's no left turn. 391 00:17:24,934 --> 00:17:28,033 So that was kind of one of the small conditions 392 00:17:28,033 --> 00:17:31,000 that was suggested about letting folks know what's going on. 393 00:17:31,233 --> 00:17:35,834 So we did a, a turning template for trash vehicles 394 00:17:35,834 --> 00:17:39,700 that exit the, the trash corrals 395 00:17:40,767 --> 00:17:43,500 fire truck circulation plan is part of the plan. 396 00:17:43,634 --> 00:17:45,000 The, the chief has seen that. 397 00:17:45,500 --> 00:17:49,734 We've gotten his comments, we got Township comments, 398 00:17:49,900 --> 00:17:51,066 we've addressed most of them. 399 00:17:51,333 --> 00:17:53,700 There's a couple of minor technical items 400 00:17:53,734 --> 00:17:54,834 that are still outstanding. 401 00:17:55,734 --> 00:17:56,734 I think staff has agreed 402 00:17:56,734 --> 00:17:58,567 that they're well within the parameters of 403 00:17:59,100 --> 00:18:00,934 conditional approval of the plan. 404 00:18:01,033 --> 00:18:06,000 So there is not a lease signed 405 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,834 yet for the bank or the restaurant. 406 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,100 So I know, I promise you, notification of who they are. 407 00:18:12,300 --> 00:18:15,233 I can't tell you that yet. Two weeks, Heidi. 408 00:18:17,367 --> 00:18:20,266 I'm saying two weeks they're over there saying eh, maybe 409 00:18:22,233 --> 00:18:24,100 so we'll let everybody know Exactly. 410 00:18:24,433 --> 00:18:27,300 You know who those tenants are as soon as we can. So Yeah. 411 00:18:27,467 --> 00:18:31,000 But they are looking to get started out here, so be happy 412 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,467 to answer any questions you have 413 00:18:33,567 --> 00:18:37,100 and just asking for conditional approval as, 414 00:18:37,100 --> 00:18:38,300 as noted in the packet. 415 00:18:38,333 --> 00:18:40,734 - So was the, sorry, the fire chief, was that 416 00:18:41,533 --> 00:18:42,867 satisfactorily addressed then? 417 00:18:42,900 --> 00:18:44,700 What they, what his comments were? 418 00:18:45,133 --> 00:18:46,033 - Yes. Yes. 419 00:18:46,166 --> 00:18:49,300 He, he had a comment about 420 00:18:50,133 --> 00:18:52,000 noting whether there's a fire lane back here. 421 00:18:52,066 --> 00:18:53,333 He had a con, there was a comment about 422 00:18:53,333 --> 00:18:55,467 where the fire department connection goes on the building 423 00:18:56,066 --> 00:18:57,734 and then just making sure that the fire trucks, 424 00:18:57,934 --> 00:18:59,533 I think his biggest concern was making sure the fire 425 00:18:59,533 --> 00:19:00,834 trucks can get in and out. 426 00:19:01,100 --> 00:19:04,000 And we did show that on the plan. Yes. 427 00:19:07,066 --> 00:19:10,533 - Any other questions? - I was just thinking, 428 00:19:10,533 --> 00:19:13,300 what if in like two weeks you find out the tenant is like 429 00:19:13,500 --> 00:19:15,834 Satan's basket weaving bonanza. 430 00:19:18,166 --> 00:19:18,734 - It's not. 431 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:24,433 - Sorry man. So - You think 432 00:19:26,500 --> 00:19:29,867 - We just had to know though, thank you for, you know Sure. 433 00:19:30,300 --> 00:19:31,066 Negating that. 434 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:36,667 Yeah, no questions. 435 00:19:36,767 --> 00:19:38,500 So No, it's, I don't have any questions. 436 00:19:38,667 --> 00:19:42,834 I thought every time I see of this some item on, 437 00:19:42,867 --> 00:19:46,533 on this coming up, I think it was started, 438 00:19:47,734 --> 00:19:49,533 I mean, when I started basically, and 439 00:19:49,834 --> 00:19:51,300 - We've seen this a couple times for sure. 440 00:19:51,634 --> 00:19:54,567 - Yeah, yeah, exactly. But it's, it's, it's exciting to me 441 00:19:54,567 --> 00:19:55,567 to see it moving along. 442 00:19:55,700 --> 00:19:59,567 So glad that we've got, you got renters. And moving 443 00:19:59,567 --> 00:20:02,100 - Ahead, I'll make a motion for the board 444 00:20:02,133 --> 00:20:06,100 to approve the patent Township crossing phase two C land 445 00:20:06,100 --> 00:20:07,166 development plan subject 446 00:20:07,233 --> 00:20:10,133 to the Township staff comment letter dated 447 00:20:10,433 --> 00:20:12,266 June 18th, 2026. 448 00:20:12,767 --> 00:20:15,033 And with the addition of the following comment to be added 449 00:20:15,033 --> 00:20:19,900 to sheet four of the plan texts, the patent Township board 450 00:20:19,900 --> 00:20:24,066 of Supervisors approved 1752 North Atherton Street 451 00:20:24,100 --> 00:20:27,667 Associates LPs request for the conditional use 452 00:20:27,667 --> 00:20:30,500 of drive-through use uses for the bank 453 00:20:30,533 --> 00:20:34,133 and restaurant at Patton Crossing on September 9th, 2026. 454 00:20:36,734 --> 00:20:40,500 - I'll second. Great. Okay. We've got a motion and a second. 455 00:20:40,900 --> 00:20:45,867 Any other questions? Then I'll accept a yay or nay vote. 456 00:20:45,867 --> 00:20:49,734 All those in favor signify by saying yay. Yay. Yay. 457 00:20:50,166 --> 00:20:54,867 Yay y yay. Yay. Thank you for that. Aye. Aye. 458 00:20:55,567 --> 00:20:59,533 Any opposed? Okay, great. Yep, we good. Go ahead. Thank you. 459 00:20:59,533 --> 00:21:01,333 Thank you. Green light. Thank you. Appreciate it. 460 00:21:01,767 --> 00:21:05,233 Yeah, thank you. Thanks for crushing my basket. 461 00:21:05,367 --> 00:21:08,500 Weaving dreams. We do it. There we go. 462 00:21:10,500 --> 00:21:13,333 Yeah, there you go. I like it. 463 00:21:13,467 --> 00:21:14,834 I'm gonna do it out of the basement here. 464 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,333 No, so we we're moving on to administration. 465 00:21:17,500 --> 00:21:19,567 The first item there is the midyear report. 466 00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:22,634 So I'm assuming I'm just gonna go out in the limb that 467 00:21:22,634 --> 00:21:24,100 that is gonna come from Larry. 468 00:21:24,667 --> 00:21:25,834 - That's correct. Okay. 469 00:21:25,867 --> 00:21:29,867 So the next two items are coming from Larry. Larry. 470 00:21:30,700 --> 00:21:32,867 So I've 471 00:21:34,266 --> 00:21:37,533 provided an update on the Township financial position based 472 00:21:37,533 --> 00:21:41,066 on the revenues expenses from the first six months 473 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:43,734 of the year and projected revenues 474 00:21:43,734 --> 00:21:46,233 and expenditures for the end of the year. 475 00:21:46,266 --> 00:21:50,500 And that was included item seven A in your packet. 476 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,900 So let me see if I can get this to move. Okay. 477 00:21:56,934 --> 00:21:59,300 So an overview is year 478 00:21:59,300 --> 00:22:02,533 to date revenues are currently running 479 00:22:03,634 --> 00:22:07,900 or are tracking to be 1.5% over budget, 480 00:22:08,533 --> 00:22:09,567 which is pretty good. 481 00:22:09,567 --> 00:22:13,033 And our year to date expenditures are tracking 482 00:22:13,166 --> 00:22:14,867 to be even with budget. 483 00:22:15,634 --> 00:22:18,133 So we're going to do a little bit better on 484 00:22:19,033 --> 00:22:21,033 our budgeted fund balance. 485 00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:26,033 But our budgeted, we had a budget for use of fund balance. 486 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:27,333 We're gonna use a little less. 487 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:32,533 - Hmm. - Revenues, the real estate 488 00:22:33,367 --> 00:22:36,567 taxes are tracking at also 1% 489 00:22:38,100 --> 00:22:39,634 that should say over budget. 490 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:44,000 Oh, it's one per 1.5% over budget. I'm sorry. 491 00:22:44,467 --> 00:22:46,033 Real estate transfer tax 492 00:22:46,700 --> 00:22:50,033 is tracking 25, 20 1% over budget. 493 00:22:51,467 --> 00:22:54,333 And that results in our total revenues tracking 494 00:22:55,033 --> 00:22:57,266 about 1.5% over 495 00:22:57,266 --> 00:23:00,533 budget expenditures. 496 00:23:01,133 --> 00:23:03,934 There's nothing really out of the ordinary 497 00:23:04,033 --> 00:23:06,233 with expenditures there. 498 00:23:06,467 --> 00:23:09,700 You know, some items that are a little over, a little bit 499 00:23:09,734 --> 00:23:12,634 above, a little bit below and, 500 00:23:12,700 --> 00:23:14,867 but the end result is that we're 501 00:23:15,700 --> 00:23:17,100 tracking even with their budget. 502 00:23:17,367 --> 00:23:21,700 And I want to thank my fellow department heads. 503 00:23:21,700 --> 00:23:23,934 They're doing a great job in their departments 504 00:23:24,333 --> 00:23:26,500 and keeping the costs under control. 505 00:23:27,634 --> 00:23:29,033 And with that I will, 506 00:23:30,500 --> 00:23:33,033 I'll answer any questions anybody might have 507 00:23:37,133 --> 00:23:38,133 - Any questions? 508 00:23:39,867 --> 00:23:44,700 No. Can you please explain probably again to me 509 00:23:46,266 --> 00:23:48,567 exactly what the transfer tax is 510 00:23:48,567 --> 00:23:50,233 and how that's different from just the 511 00:23:50,233 --> 00:23:51,333 real estate? Does that, what comes with 512 00:23:51,333 --> 00:23:52,333 - Their sold? 513 00:23:52,333 --> 00:23:55,066 Okay, so the transfer taxes we give one half a percent 514 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,934 of the sales price of any real estate that gets sold. 515 00:24:01,133 --> 00:24:03,100 - Sold Okay. - In the Township. 516 00:24:04,066 --> 00:24:07,033 So, so this year it's, it's been, you know, 517 00:24:07,133 --> 00:24:09,700 the sales have been running higher than they were last year. 518 00:24:09,734 --> 00:24:12,000 - Yeah. - So that's why you see the increase 519 00:24:12,634 --> 00:24:15,033 and the re you know, we talk about that 520 00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:16,533 during the budget season. 521 00:24:17,033 --> 00:24:19,867 It's a very difficult number to budget because 522 00:24:20,634 --> 00:24:21,634 - You don't know what the market, 523 00:24:21,667 --> 00:24:22,700 - We don't know Yeah. 524 00:24:22,867 --> 00:24:26,634 What's gonna sell. And if we could get it, you know, if, if 525 00:24:27,533 --> 00:24:29,634 somebody sells one of the apartment buildings 526 00:24:29,667 --> 00:24:33,367 with student housing and that must be huge Toftrees 527 00:24:33,667 --> 00:24:36,066 or whatever, those are the years we get 528 00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:39,000 really high transfer tax. 529 00:24:39,533 --> 00:24:42,333 - Great. And who, who pays that transit? 530 00:24:42,467 --> 00:24:45,066 The people selling those or? So the seller or the buyer? 531 00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:48,734 - The seller pays a half a percent. Okay. And the, 532 00:24:49,734 --> 00:24:50,734 - The - Buyer? 533 00:24:50,734 --> 00:24:53,000 Buyer pays a half a percent. Oh, okay. 534 00:24:53,133 --> 00:24:54,533 And we get a half a percent. 535 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,133 And the school district, it's a half a percent. 536 00:24:57,767 --> 00:24:59,734 - Thank you. I know I've been told that several times 537 00:25:00,433 --> 00:25:01,834 but I appreciate being told again. 538 00:25:01,834 --> 00:25:06,100 Yes, thank you very much. Okay, any other questions? 539 00:25:08,133 --> 00:25:11,567 We are on then to your second item? Yes. 540 00:25:11,867 --> 00:25:15,867 - My second thing where I, well me 541 00:25:16,133 --> 00:25:17,700 and Amy discussed this 542 00:25:18,133 --> 00:25:22,000 and we are asking for a temporary change 543 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,300 to the employee pay plan this year. 544 00:25:25,634 --> 00:25:30,033 According to the Patent Township employee policy handbook, 545 00:25:31,634 --> 00:25:33,133 section five, pay plan 546 00:25:33,166 --> 00:25:37,033 and compensation subsection, a employee pay pad. 547 00:25:37,900 --> 00:25:40,533 The pay plan upon approval of the board 548 00:25:40,533 --> 00:25:43,867 of Supervisors is adjusted on January 1st each year 549 00:25:44,133 --> 00:25:45,934 for the cost of living allowance 550 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:50,033 cola based on the consumer price index 551 00:25:50,100 --> 00:25:52,133 for all urban consumers, less food 552 00:25:52,233 --> 00:25:56,266 and energy items for the previous August, 553 00:25:56,734 --> 00:25:58,767 which would be the number that just came out, 554 00:26:00,233 --> 00:26:02,300 I think it came out last week. 555 00:26:04,066 --> 00:26:06,100 Currently that number 556 00:26:06,433 --> 00:26:10,066 for August, 2026 is 2.4%. 557 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,133 We're recommending for the 2027 budget 558 00:26:17,233 --> 00:26:19,567 to use the CPI 559 00:26:20,367 --> 00:26:23,300 the consumer price index for all items. 560 00:26:24,333 --> 00:26:28,000 That number came in in August, 2026. 561 00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,834 2026 at 3.4%. 562 00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:37,700 And the reason why I'm making this, this request is 563 00:26:38,166 --> 00:26:40,033 due to the increase in the cost 564 00:26:40,033 --> 00:26:43,834 and energy, so gasoline for, 565 00:26:45,100 --> 00:26:46,934 for August, 2026. 566 00:26:47,166 --> 00:26:50,533 It's listed under the CPA increase 567 00:26:50,834 --> 00:26:53,500 of 27.4% 568 00:26:54,567 --> 00:26:58,100 and the cost of fuel oil, which is used for home heating, 569 00:26:58,367 --> 00:27:03,000 which some of our employees use of fuel oil 570 00:27:03,066 --> 00:27:07,033 to heat their homes, that has increased 52%. 571 00:27:07,133 --> 00:27:10,500 That's because that's based on diesel fuel. 572 00:27:11,233 --> 00:27:16,066 So home eating fuel is pretty much the same as diesel. 573 00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:23,700 Factoring the increase in healthcare, which is estimated 574 00:27:23,834 --> 00:27:26,934 by Benic Con at this point to be 10.6%, 575 00:27:28,467 --> 00:27:30,000 the employees would see a, 576 00:27:30,033 --> 00:27:34,000 a very small increase in their net pay at a co rate 577 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,266 of 2.4%. 578 00:27:36,033 --> 00:27:40,300 Therefore it is recommended mended of the Township manager, 579 00:27:40,567 --> 00:27:44,834 an assistant Township manager for finance administration 580 00:27:45,133 --> 00:27:48,033 for board to approve this temporary change 581 00:27:48,667 --> 00:27:53,033 for the employee pay plan for 2020 seven's budget. 582 00:27:53,834 --> 00:27:57,066 I'd also say that, you know, 583 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,033 maybe this is something we should look at in the future. 584 00:28:01,367 --> 00:28:04,834 I'm not not sure why it was set up 585 00:28:05,066 --> 00:28:08,066 that we use all items less food and energy. 586 00:28:09,700 --> 00:28:13,634 And maybe it's something that as we're going through the 587 00:28:14,066 --> 00:28:18,467 employee policy manual that we think about changing 588 00:28:18,567 --> 00:28:21,066 that policy to just be all items. 589 00:28:22,433 --> 00:28:25,266 But we can discuss that during 2027. 590 00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:29,266 So if there's any questions, I'll answer any questions. 591 00:28:30,266 --> 00:28:31,500 - Any questions? Yeah, Heidi? 592 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,100 I I mean I, I think that this is reasonable, 593 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:35,533 but I just wanna, I was curious, 594 00:28:35,834 --> 00:28:37,033 have we done this in the past? 595 00:28:38,066 --> 00:28:41,233 - Have we We have not done it since I've been here. 596 00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:44,233 Generally the, 597 00:28:46,033 --> 00:28:49,467 the two have been very close together within 598 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,834 three tenths of a, a of a percent. 599 00:28:54,700 --> 00:28:58,700 So maybe one would be 2.7 and the other one would be three 600 00:28:59,100 --> 00:29:01,000 or it'd be the other way around. 601 00:29:02,266 --> 00:29:05,533 So it's never concerned me 602 00:29:05,533 --> 00:29:09,567 because also, you know, it might have been a year two where 603 00:29:10,266 --> 00:29:13,767 the healthcare wasn't as big of an increase. 604 00:29:14,133 --> 00:29:16,500 You know, our healthcare might have only been a five 605 00:29:16,567 --> 00:29:20,233 or a 6% increase this year with the healthcare 606 00:29:21,767 --> 00:29:25,266 employees that are make it under a certain amount of amount 607 00:29:25,266 --> 00:29:30,033 of money will actually at 2.4% see less 608 00:29:30,033 --> 00:29:34,133 of a net pay than, than they would 609 00:29:34,433 --> 00:29:36,500 with 3.4%. 610 00:29:36,834 --> 00:29:40,700 So with the, you know, taking out the gas 611 00:29:41,900 --> 00:29:46,500 and the fuel oil, it, it really, 612 00:29:47,133 --> 00:29:49,000 it, it really affects it. 613 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,734 'cause it's a, it's a full, it's a full percent. 614 00:29:52,066 --> 00:29:53,266 - So when would this take effect 615 00:29:53,834 --> 00:29:54,834 - Then? 616 00:29:54,834 --> 00:29:57,734 You said? So this would be included in the budget, the 617 00:29:57,734 --> 00:29:59,066 - 2027. 2027. 618 00:29:59,133 --> 00:30:02,734 - So starting in January, take effect on January 1st, 2027. 619 00:30:03,533 --> 00:30:06,133 - Okay. - That's, that was my 620 00:30:06,333 --> 00:30:07,333 - Question. 621 00:30:07,333 --> 00:30:10,133 Any other questions? You look like you might 622 00:30:10,133 --> 00:30:11,300 have been confused 623 00:30:12,133 --> 00:30:13,500 - Or you're doing math in your head. 624 00:30:18,500 --> 00:30:20,333 - Well you didn't sleep. What, what does temporary mean? 625 00:30:21,700 --> 00:30:24,834 - Temporary means that we would change it for 2027 626 00:30:25,433 --> 00:30:29,000 but maintain the policy 627 00:30:29,367 --> 00:30:32,500 of using less food and energy for future years. 628 00:30:33,133 --> 00:30:36,500 - We are updating our employee manual or personnel manual. 629 00:30:36,500 --> 00:30:38,033 We've been working on that for about a year now. 630 00:30:38,634 --> 00:30:41,333 So that's something that we could bring to you 631 00:30:41,333 --> 00:30:43,533 to make a permanent change when we update that manual. 632 00:30:43,867 --> 00:30:45,033 'cause we wanna get that finished. And 633 00:30:45,033 --> 00:30:46,467 that would be finished in 27. 634 00:30:48,867 --> 00:30:51,100 - Yeah, I mean there's, there's nothing stopping 635 00:30:51,734 --> 00:30:55,000 from making it permanent right now if you, if the board 636 00:30:55,166 --> 00:30:56,166 - If you want it - To be. 637 00:30:56,166 --> 00:31:00,567 But once to do that I wouldn't be so presumptuous 638 00:31:00,834 --> 00:31:02,033 to to, to tell 639 00:31:02,033 --> 00:31:03,033 - You to do that. 640 00:31:03,033 --> 00:31:05,000 I mean I would, I would wanna just see the graph, the plot 641 00:31:05,100 --> 00:31:06,700 of the trends over a long period of time 642 00:31:06,700 --> 00:31:08,934 before we committed to something this for one year. 643 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,734 I'm personally comfortable doing it, 644 00:31:10,934 --> 00:31:12,634 but for longer term just 645 00:31:12,634 --> 00:31:14,133 to have a little bit more facts about it. 646 00:31:14,166 --> 00:31:15,166 Yeah. 647 00:31:15,834 --> 00:31:18,033 - Yeah. And I think if we look at that graph, 648 00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:21,033 you'll see sometimes the less food 649 00:31:21,033 --> 00:31:23,834 and energy is higher, sometimes it's lower. 650 00:31:24,500 --> 00:31:26,500 It's never been to this big 651 00:31:26,500 --> 00:31:28,066 of a decrease since I've been here. 652 00:31:28,567 --> 00:31:31,734 And so over time it kind of evens out. 653 00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:34,100 - Yeah. Because generally the one without the food 654 00:31:34,100 --> 00:31:36,066 and energy is more stable and that's 655 00:31:36,367 --> 00:31:37,367 - Probably what they do. 656 00:31:37,367 --> 00:31:37,934 That's correct. Right. 657 00:31:37,934 --> 00:31:39,100 The one without the food and energy, 658 00:31:39,233 --> 00:31:42,700 but a freaking year this year And is the reason why 659 00:31:43,467 --> 00:31:46,500 I was told that we use it because it's a more stable 660 00:31:46,700 --> 00:31:51,634 but in this particular, the way the numbers are all falling 661 00:31:51,834 --> 00:31:54,266 for 2027, you know, 662 00:31:54,767 --> 00:31:57,867 everybody is feeling the, the, the 663 00:31:58,066 --> 00:32:01,100 - People are getting - The help, the crunch in the economy. 664 00:32:01,900 --> 00:32:05,634 They're gonna feel it even more if, if 2027 665 00:32:06,700 --> 00:32:10,533 we hit them with a 10.6% increase in healthcare 666 00:32:11,367 --> 00:32:15,266 and a and a 2.4% in cola. 667 00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:16,667 Yeah. 668 00:32:18,934 --> 00:32:20,266 - Yep. Any other questions? 669 00:32:22,066 --> 00:32:26,100 - Do so you know, if you agree you could make a motion 670 00:32:26,033 --> 00:32:28,033 to make this a temporary change 671 00:32:28,333 --> 00:32:31,000 or you want to make a motion for permanent 672 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,000 - Item. 673 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,033 Yep. I'll make a motion to make a temporary change 674 00:32:34,066 --> 00:32:38,500 to use CPI for all items for the 2027 budget. Second, 675 00:32:39,300 --> 00:32:40,300 - I'll second. 676 00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:44,500 Okay. Any other questions? We got a motion to second. Okay. 677 00:32:45,033 --> 00:32:49,367 All those in favor signify Aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? 678 00:32:50,033 --> 00:32:53,100 Okay, thank you. It's yours. Yours to go with? Yep. 679 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:56,333 Okay, we're on to the REATION 680 00:32:56,333 --> 00:32:59,867 for the Pennsylvania Municipal Leagues annual summit. 681 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,066 - So Supervisor Cruzi is gonna be our representative 682 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,300 to the resolutions committee 683 00:33:05,667 --> 00:33:08,233 and actually next Friday they have their meeting ahead 684 00:33:08,233 --> 00:33:10,567 of the annual summit meeting in Hershey. 685 00:33:10,734 --> 00:33:13,467 So I gave you a copy of the proposed resolutions and the p 686 00:33:13,467 --> 00:33:17,033 and l policy statement in case any of you have any questions 687 00:33:17,066 --> 00:33:19,000 or have strong feelings on those resolutions 688 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,100 and wanna provide them to 689 00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:21,533 Supervisor Cruzi ahead of that meeting. 690 00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:28,467 - Great. Any questions? Alright, so information only. 691 00:33:28,934 --> 00:33:31,700 We're onto the Consent Agenda. 692 00:33:31,867 --> 00:33:34,333 We've got five, four items, actually several items, 693 00:33:35,467 --> 00:33:39,367 sub sub items and of course these are items 694 00:33:39,867 --> 00:33:43,133 that are di minimis or repetitive in natures or publicness. 695 00:33:44,133 --> 00:33:48,467 I'd like a motion to accept the items on the Consent Agenda. 696 00:33:49,500 --> 00:33:53,266 So moved And a second. I'll second. Okay. Any discussion? 697 00:33:53,266 --> 00:33:55,767 And you should have asked, I guess if anybody wants to poll 698 00:33:56,266 --> 00:34:01,100 seeing, seeing none then I guess we'll take a vote. 699 00:34:01,734 --> 00:34:05,367 All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Any opposed? 700 00:34:06,734 --> 00:34:10,767 Okay, here we go. Onto the manager's report. So 701 00:34:10,767 --> 00:34:12,266 - I just have two things to tell you. 702 00:34:13,066 --> 00:34:15,100 The first is, we found out last week 703 00:34:15,100 --> 00:34:19,266 that we're receiving a $129,000 grant from 704 00:34:19,266 --> 00:34:20,367 the local share account. 705 00:34:20,367 --> 00:34:23,000 That's the GA statewide gaming money, which we will use 706 00:34:23,033 --> 00:34:25,700 to pave the pump track at Burnell Road Park. 707 00:34:26,500 --> 00:34:28,100 There was some private fundraising done 708 00:34:28,133 --> 00:34:29,033 for that project as well. 709 00:34:29,500 --> 00:34:32,300 So we'll get that done in 2027. 710 00:34:32,734 --> 00:34:35,133 And then the other thing is, tomorrow, if you're looking 711 00:34:35,133 --> 00:34:39,033 for something to do at 11:00 AM I am moderating a session on 712 00:34:39,033 --> 00:34:40,433 the role of the municipal manager 713 00:34:40,533 --> 00:34:42,667 for the Pennsylvania Local Government Commission 714 00:34:42,667 --> 00:34:43,900 statewide symposium. 715 00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:47,467 It's an audience of legislators and some attorneys 716 00:34:47,500 --> 00:34:48,634 and others across the state. 717 00:34:48,934 --> 00:34:50,433 It's 1000% free. 718 00:34:50,433 --> 00:34:51,467 You just have to register 719 00:34:51,467 --> 00:34:53,300 through the local government commission's website. 720 00:34:53,333 --> 00:34:54,634 But we're very excited 721 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:56,634 'cause we're gonna talk about what our role is 722 00:34:56,834 --> 00:34:59,533 and why professional municipal managers are very important 723 00:34:59,567 --> 00:35:01,000 to the communities that we serve. 724 00:35:01,166 --> 00:35:02,667 - You're here. You sent an email about 725 00:35:02,667 --> 00:35:03,667 - That. 726 00:35:03,667 --> 00:35:04,000 I did, yeah. 727 00:35:04,567 --> 00:35:07,066 - And that's the links in - There. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I 728 00:35:07,066 --> 00:35:08,066 - Gotta work. 729 00:35:08,066 --> 00:35:09,266 How long is your, how long 730 00:35:09,266 --> 00:35:11,000 - Is your It's from 11 to 12. 731 00:35:11,266 --> 00:35:14,500 Okay, great. So it'll be fun and yeah, 732 00:35:15,266 --> 00:35:16,467 - Are you nervous? And 733 00:35:16,467 --> 00:35:17,700 - You are a little bit - Are you, 734 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:19,066 are you the what do, what did you say? 735 00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,467 - He asked if I was nervous. I'm a little nervous 'cause 736 00:35:21,467 --> 00:35:23,000 - It's, it's, that's good. That's good. It's 737 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,033 - A good audience and we want to express 738 00:35:26,634 --> 00:35:27,900 how important our role is 739 00:35:27,900 --> 00:35:31,100 because steal one of my lines from this session tomorrow, 740 00:35:31,433 --> 00:35:32,867 cross pockets of Pennsylvania, 741 00:35:32,867 --> 00:35:34,266 there are not municipal managers. 742 00:35:34,266 --> 00:35:36,700 We're actually in one of the pockets that doesn't have a lot 743 00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:39,066 of municipal managers in nor in the North Centre Region. 744 00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:40,634 In the southeastern region. 745 00:35:40,634 --> 00:35:42,000 There's a ton of municipal managers 746 00:35:42,233 --> 00:35:44,500 and we do a lot for our communities. 747 00:35:44,500 --> 00:35:45,634 Our mission in life is 748 00:35:45,634 --> 00:35:47,867 to leave our community a little better than we found it. 749 00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:50,934 So we wanna kind of implore why this is 750 00:35:51,834 --> 00:35:52,934 - Stop, - Why this is so 751 00:35:52,934 --> 00:35:53,934 - Important. 752 00:35:54,100 --> 00:35:56,734 - We, we will be outside our door heckling 753 00:35:56,734 --> 00:35:57,734 - Her. 754 00:35:59,734 --> 00:36:00,500 Larry's gonna be 755 00:36:05,834 --> 00:36:09,000 so communities who don't have managers, 756 00:36:09,300 --> 00:36:10,834 they just have like a three board. 757 00:36:11,300 --> 00:36:13,333 - Sometimes they have a three board 758 00:36:13,333 --> 00:36:15,100 and they have secretary treasurers, 759 00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:16,467 which are a very important role. 760 00:36:16,467 --> 00:36:17,767 But a secretary treasurer 761 00:36:17,767 --> 00:36:20,100 and a municipal manager are two very different things. 762 00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:24,033 A secretary treasurer typically just does the business 763 00:36:24,033 --> 00:36:25,467 of the Township, the administrative work. 764 00:36:25,634 --> 00:36:28,567 A municipal manager helps the board of Supervisors, 765 00:36:28,567 --> 00:36:31,033 the board sets the policy, but we provide information 766 00:36:31,166 --> 00:36:34,333 and input and we're more on the strategy side. 767 00:36:34,333 --> 00:36:36,467 We're looking long term at the community itself. 768 00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:38,133 So both very worthwhile. 769 00:36:38,367 --> 00:36:40,066 But there are a lot of communities 770 00:36:40,066 --> 00:36:42,500 and we have some of them around us that hire managers 771 00:36:42,500 --> 00:36:45,567 and don't understand what the manager is supposed to do. 772 00:36:45,700 --> 00:36:46,867 And the elected officials feel 773 00:36:46,867 --> 00:36:48,834 that the manager is treading into their territory. 774 00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:51,467 So we want people to understand there's a lane 775 00:36:51,467 --> 00:36:54,500 for the manager, there's a lane for the elected official. 776 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,567 And a lot of the issues we've seen recently in local 777 00:36:57,567 --> 00:37:00,266 governments, we certainly had one in here in Centre County 778 00:37:00,266 --> 00:37:02,100 with Greg Township with money. 779 00:37:02,133 --> 00:37:04,634 They didn't have financial management practices 780 00:37:04,634 --> 00:37:05,700 in place and other things. 781 00:37:05,734 --> 00:37:07,533 And so a professional manager, 782 00:37:07,533 --> 00:37:09,133 typically we have master's degrees 783 00:37:09,700 --> 00:37:11,300 and experience in local government. 784 00:37:11,367 --> 00:37:13,533 We bring a lot to the table in terms 785 00:37:13,533 --> 00:37:14,867 of helping a community grow. 786 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,066 And so if the legislature, it took us a long time 787 00:37:18,667 --> 00:37:20,066 to get contractual rights. 788 00:37:20,066 --> 00:37:21,934 The legislature finally gave that to us. 789 00:37:22,467 --> 00:37:24,500 And like getting the legislature to understand 790 00:37:24,667 --> 00:37:27,634 how important our role is, is something that we would love 791 00:37:28,066 --> 00:37:32,000 to see from our professional side, our, our association side 792 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,100 because we would like to provide our input 793 00:37:34,700 --> 00:37:36,100 and the local government commission, 794 00:37:36,567 --> 00:37:38,033 I have become great friends with them 795 00:37:38,166 --> 00:37:39,934 after talking about automated speed 796 00:37:39,934 --> 00:37:41,100 enforcement cameras last year with them. 797 00:37:41,166 --> 00:37:42,834 And they truly will call me 798 00:37:42,834 --> 00:37:44,367 and say, Hey, we heard someone's having 799 00:37:44,367 --> 00:37:45,700 this problem in the state. 800 00:37:46,133 --> 00:37:47,133 What do you know about this? 801 00:37:47,166 --> 00:37:48,934 And how can we find out more information? 802 00:37:49,033 --> 00:37:50,767 And that's what we wanna be, we wanna be a 803 00:37:50,767 --> 00:37:52,467 conduit of information. So, 804 00:37:53,133 --> 00:37:54,467 - Well I think they picked the right person 805 00:37:55,567 --> 00:37:56,767 - And a little passionate about 806 00:37:56,767 --> 00:37:57,767 - It. 807 00:37:57,767 --> 00:37:59,567 Yeah, no, yeah. I'm sure you'll make us proud. 808 00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:02,000 I'll listen to it. So yeah, it sounds great. 809 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,533 I think it's good Amm looking forward to it. Yeah. 810 00:38:04,033 --> 00:38:06,467 Okay, we're moving on to committee reports. 811 00:38:08,634 --> 00:38:11,867 I know we got some reports submitted. 812 00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:15,033 - If I can just make a comment about the finance 813 00:38:15,033 --> 00:38:16,066 committee budget 814 00:38:16,734 --> 00:38:17,734 - Sessions. 815 00:38:17,734 --> 00:38:18,500 Yes. Oh my gosh. 816 00:38:19,634 --> 00:38:23,333 - So you're gonna see the budget come up. 817 00:38:23,333 --> 00:38:28,000 They, they, I believe the executive committee approved 818 00:38:29,066 --> 00:38:31,033 pushing it onto the municipal, 819 00:38:32,066 --> 00:38:33,266 - The - Municipalities. 820 00:38:33,767 --> 00:38:35,100 - Yes, exactly. For some 821 00:38:35,100 --> 00:38:36,000 reason you're having trouble hearing sir. 822 00:38:36,233 --> 00:38:39,734 - So I just wanted to say that the 823 00:38:40,467 --> 00:38:45,066 status quo budget for COG, that means the budget 824 00:38:45,100 --> 00:38:49,100 that has no 60 items, it just has exactly 825 00:38:49,133 --> 00:38:50,300 what we did last year 826 00:38:52,033 --> 00:38:54,367 increased 6.2%. 827 00:38:55,266 --> 00:39:00,133 However, patent 828 00:39:00,367 --> 00:39:03,166 township's portion of that increased 829 00:39:04,734 --> 00:39:06,066 9.2%. 830 00:39:07,033 --> 00:39:08,667 I think I wrote in there 9.2. Yeah. 831 00:39:08,667 --> 00:39:11,166 - 9.2 206,617. 832 00:39:11,266 --> 00:39:16,000 - 206,000. That's correct. $675. 833 00:39:17,033 --> 00:39:20,133 So already we're gonna see an increase of that. 834 00:39:20,133 --> 00:39:22,467 And then when we went through the 60 items 835 00:39:23,634 --> 00:39:25,500 and added those on, 836 00:39:27,100 --> 00:39:30,667 it looks like iron increase is going to be a about 837 00:39:31,834 --> 00:39:35,767 12.7%. Did I put that in 838 00:39:35,767 --> 00:39:36,767 - There? 839 00:39:36,767 --> 00:39:38,433 I, yeah, I have 12.79 so yeah, 840 00:39:38,567 --> 00:39:40,467 - 12.8 it - It might be a little different. 841 00:39:40,467 --> 00:39:43,100 Yeah. 'cause then there was a little bit of dynamics 842 00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:45,100 with the six C itself. So, 843 00:39:45,567 --> 00:39:49,133 - So it, it, I just want to bring that to your attention 844 00:39:49,734 --> 00:39:54,000 the way when you see the budget, you know, pay attention 845 00:39:54,066 --> 00:39:56,900 to the COG budget this year especially 846 00:39:56,900 --> 00:39:59,533 because it is a substantial increase. 847 00:40:01,133 --> 00:40:02,934 - So - Thank you. 848 00:40:03,433 --> 00:40:04,734 - Thank you, thank you. 849 00:40:05,266 --> 00:40:06,000 So are you telling us 850 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,233 something without telling us something? 851 00:40:08,533 --> 00:40:10,900 - I'm telling you to take a look at it 852 00:40:11,033 --> 00:40:13,367 and make sure you agree with all the 60 items 853 00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:15,367 that they've added because, 854 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,667 'cause your comments that you have on the budget 855 00:40:21,300 --> 00:40:24,100 go back to the COG 856 00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:29,233 and the COG budget doesn't formally get 857 00:40:29,900 --> 00:40:33,500 approved until we approve it in 858 00:40:34,700 --> 00:40:35,934 our meeting in December. 859 00:40:37,066 --> 00:40:41,266 So we, it's not, I don't want anybody to think 860 00:40:41,266 --> 00:40:44,734 that the COG budget is set in stone at this point. 861 00:40:45,367 --> 00:40:47,533 It's, it's, it's very fluid. 862 00:40:47,834 --> 00:40:50,834 We can, we have comments that we can make. 863 00:40:51,166 --> 00:40:52,834 Heidi was very good in, 864 00:40:53,100 --> 00:40:55,100 in making comments during the meeting. 865 00:40:55,867 --> 00:40:58,333 I think she came up to speed pretty quick. 866 00:40:58,700 --> 00:41:02,233 So this is a big increase. 867 00:41:03,266 --> 00:41:07,367 An increase we haven't seen at the COG in my time here. 868 00:41:08,033 --> 00:41:09,700 - And and how is the increased relative 869 00:41:09,700 --> 00:41:10,700 to other municipalities? 870 00:41:12,066 --> 00:41:14,834 I think I heard ours the increased 871 00:41:14,934 --> 00:41:17,634 - Ours is higher than other municipalities 872 00:41:19,033 --> 00:41:22,433 because the way they do the COG formulas 873 00:41:22,767 --> 00:41:26,934 and they've changed our, our assessment 874 00:41:27,367 --> 00:41:30,166 values have gone up because of the hospital, 875 00:41:30,266 --> 00:41:31,266 because of the, 876 00:41:32,834 --> 00:41:35,567 the Mount Nittany medical building 877 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,133 and Toftrees increased. 878 00:41:38,700 --> 00:41:42,734 So our portion of COG has increased 879 00:41:43,066 --> 00:41:46,000 and that's why our portion is higher than, 880 00:41:46,100 --> 00:41:49,266 that's why it goes from 6.2 overall 881 00:41:49,367 --> 00:41:53,100 to ours being 9.2. Does that make sense? 882 00:41:53,567 --> 00:41:55,834 - It, it does. And and the presumption is that 883 00:41:55,834 --> 00:41:56,934 with the addition of the hospital 884 00:41:56,934 --> 00:42:01,266 and the Mount Nittany offices that our tax revenue has, 885 00:42:01,333 --> 00:42:03,033 has gone up because of these two additions? 886 00:42:03,033 --> 00:42:04,367 That's correct. Okay. That's correct. 887 00:42:05,233 --> 00:42:08,634 Are they the same, I mean, are they, do they do the 888 00:42:09,233 --> 00:42:13,133 the increase in taxes parallel the increase in our 889 00:42:13,133 --> 00:42:16,467 responsibility of taxes to pay to 890 00:42:16,467 --> 00:42:17,467 - Cost? 891 00:42:17,834 --> 00:42:19,500 - I'm just, - I don't think so. 892 00:42:19,700 --> 00:42:23,100 I think that the, the, the assessment 893 00:42:24,367 --> 00:42:25,934 affected us a lot more than our own 894 00:42:26,467 --> 00:42:27,467 - Tax. 895 00:42:27,467 --> 00:42:28,467 Okay. Yeah. That, that's my sense because 896 00:42:29,033 --> 00:42:32,000 - I think everybody had an increase in taxes. 897 00:42:32,133 --> 00:42:34,767 - Yep. Yeah. - So all the, 898 00:42:35,100 --> 00:42:38,000 all the water rising at every municipality, 899 00:42:38,667 --> 00:42:40,133 it doesn't affect us as much, 900 00:42:40,467 --> 00:42:43,700 but those two properties in particular Okay. 901 00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,266 Have increased our assessment. 902 00:42:46,033 --> 00:42:48,100 - Okay. - If we can, if, 903 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,033 if people wanna hear it, if they don't that's fine. 904 00:42:50,066 --> 00:42:51,333 But yeah, go ahead. 905 00:42:51,333 --> 00:42:55,300 The, the six C, so, so there's the, there's the flat line. 906 00:42:55,367 --> 00:42:58,033 The, the big apart is the baseline 907 00:42:58,033 --> 00:43:00,100 and that to a large extent was driven 908 00:43:00,100 --> 00:43:02,000 by labor cost, the increase. 909 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,100 Correct. Healthcare quite a bit higher. Right. 910 00:43:05,133 --> 00:43:08,066 They use a different formula for their inflation, 911 00:43:08,734 --> 00:43:11,467 which is higher, correct. 912 00:43:11,467 --> 00:43:13,634 4.2%. Was that, what was the thing? 913 00:43:13,634 --> 00:43:16,000 - Yeah, because they picked - June so 914 00:43:16,233 --> 00:43:19,100 and so if you just take the, they kept the staff 915 00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:20,500 that they have, you know, as opposed 916 00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:24,533 to cutting any anybody back and then you add sig e 917 00:43:24,533 --> 00:43:26,300 and you know, we went through all the SY items 918 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,033 and I just, that was fairly fluid. 919 00:43:29,333 --> 00:43:33,066 If we can say, if you remember some of 'em, they, 920 00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:34,266 they pulled some of it. 921 00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:37,467 'cause I think that Ben recognized there's a lot of 922 00:43:38,367 --> 00:43:40,000 budget pressor pressure. 923 00:43:40,100 --> 00:43:43,634 So even before we got there and to, to talk about 924 00:43:43,934 --> 00:43:46,834 and vote for each item, they had already pulled some things 925 00:43:47,367 --> 00:43:51,033 and then they found some money underneath the cots 926 00:43:51,033 --> 00:43:52,834 and the mattress and everything. 927 00:43:53,133 --> 00:43:56,767 Yes. When the, the, the big driver was there's 928 00:43:58,533 --> 00:44:00,333 bathrooms that they have allocated money 929 00:44:00,567 --> 00:44:02,000 for in the Hess field. 930 00:44:02,467 --> 00:44:03,500 And I think these are supposed 931 00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:05,033 to be like separate buildings. 932 00:44:05,100 --> 00:44:06,867 I still don't think that's with sewer hookup. 933 00:44:07,033 --> 00:44:09,567 But anyway, it turns out the estimate of 934 00:44:09,567 --> 00:44:12,934 that cost was $200,000 less than they thought. 935 00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,634 That's good. So, so that money was able to be kind 936 00:44:15,634 --> 00:44:18,934 of brought back in the fold, which helped. 937 00:44:19,467 --> 00:44:21,066 So sort of soften the blow. 938 00:44:21,133 --> 00:44:24,000 So some of the things that we would've probably been opposed 939 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000 to just because of all the budget pressures here, we were, 940 00:44:28,166 --> 00:44:30,333 you know, like, oh okay, you know, you can, you can get 941 00:44:30,333 --> 00:44:33,000 that from the, the the $200,000 942 00:44:33,100 --> 00:44:34,100 that you kind of clawed back. 943 00:44:35,500 --> 00:44:38,100 So we in general as a group, 944 00:44:38,367 --> 00:44:40,233 we had supported most of the 60 items. 945 00:44:40,834 --> 00:44:43,834 The ones that we hadn't supported was 946 00:44:44,634 --> 00:44:45,934 what I think is a big driver 947 00:44:45,934 --> 00:44:47,300 because it has long term 948 00:44:50,667 --> 00:44:53,266 obligation because we don't tend to lay off people in, 949 00:44:53,333 --> 00:44:54,667 in local government. 950 00:44:55,033 --> 00:44:57,133 And that was their request for a full-time. 951 00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:59,100 They caught it janitor then, 952 00:44:59,100 --> 00:45:00,166 but they kind of changed the word 953 00:45:00,166 --> 00:45:01,900 to maintenance, just more generic. 954 00:45:03,233 --> 00:45:05,934 And we had supported a part-time but not a full-time. 955 00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:10,166 So when we voted for that, I still didn't support it. 956 00:45:10,433 --> 00:45:14,767 Part of the thing is that they have a lot 957 00:45:14,767 --> 00:45:18,900 of part-time seasonal labor that they haven't been able 958 00:45:18,900 --> 00:45:22,300 to feel to fill those spaces, 959 00:45:22,700 --> 00:45:24,066 those slots for years. 960 00:45:24,533 --> 00:45:27,533 And those are people that a lot of them mow with a lot 961 00:45:27,533 --> 00:45:29,333 of things to mow and just things like that. 962 00:45:29,367 --> 00:45:31,266 Seasonal summer, mostly summer work. 963 00:45:32,133 --> 00:45:34,367 And so I, 964 00:45:34,367 --> 00:45:36,867 and then some other of the people were sort of pushing them, 965 00:45:37,033 --> 00:45:40,266 can't you take some of the money that you know 966 00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:45,100 that you're not gonna use and put it towards the full time? 967 00:45:45,433 --> 00:45:49,567 And I think that we got a commitment. 968 00:45:49,567 --> 00:45:51,100 It's a little fluid and that's something 969 00:45:51,100 --> 00:45:54,133 that I hope patent will hold firm on that position. 970 00:45:54,433 --> 00:45:56,300 Yeah. Because I think they can do that. 971 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:01,934 So that, that was, that was one item specifically 972 00:46:01,934 --> 00:46:04,066 with patent to try to follow. 973 00:46:04,100 --> 00:46:07,033 And then most everything else we were pretty supportive of. 974 00:46:07,867 --> 00:46:11,767 They, they're deferring the, 975 00:46:13,300 --> 00:46:14,367 wait a second, did they, 976 00:46:14,900 --> 00:46:16,567 I forgot now if they've deferred the, 977 00:46:16,634 --> 00:46:18,333 no they didn't the, the crew cab. 978 00:46:18,333 --> 00:46:19,867 But they were able to now absorb it 979 00:46:19,867 --> 00:46:22,066 because of that influx of the 200,000. 980 00:46:24,033 --> 00:46:28,266 But there was some, we ended up 981 00:46:28,266 --> 00:46:29,567 with a three three vote, 982 00:46:29,567 --> 00:46:31,433 which apparently no one has experienced before. 983 00:46:32,133 --> 00:46:35,433 On of all things the bike counters. 984 00:46:36,033 --> 00:46:39,634 Now the bike counters is something that the C-C-M-P-O 985 00:46:40,266 --> 00:46:44,100 had requested and that helps justify grants 986 00:46:44,934 --> 00:46:46,867 'cause we want to be a biker friendly community. 987 00:46:46,867 --> 00:46:48,367 So Patton had supported that, 988 00:46:49,500 --> 00:46:51,233 but it, it turned out to be a three three vote. 989 00:46:51,333 --> 00:46:53,834 But it turned, turned out it wasn't really a three three 990 00:46:53,834 --> 00:46:57,900 vote because one of the townships, the person 991 00:46:58,533 --> 00:47:01,700 had not had, had just made a mistake. 992 00:47:01,867 --> 00:47:03,133 Just remembered. So that, 993 00:47:03,066 --> 00:47:05,667 so in the executive session they fixed that. 994 00:47:06,033 --> 00:47:07,033 So that went forward. 995 00:47:07,300 --> 00:47:12,133 So they all, if you recall the, the pools capital, 996 00:47:12,033 --> 00:47:13,867 they had an awful lot of requests 997 00:47:14,233 --> 00:47:16,000 and those are a lot of the ones that they pulled back. 998 00:47:16,500 --> 00:47:17,834 The only one that they really, 999 00:47:18,100 --> 00:47:19,700 they thought they could defer a lot of them. 1000 00:47:19,734 --> 00:47:21,900 And we had actually recommended deferral some of those. 1001 00:47:22,333 --> 00:47:25,000 The only thing that they actually decided was really 1002 00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,033 important was the splash pad at, at Welch. 1003 00:47:29,266 --> 00:47:31,333 You're given that look. I think that was the one I didn't, 1004 00:47:31,467 --> 00:47:33,567 but they pulled, the reason we had to go with 1005 00:47:33,567 --> 00:47:35,300 that was they pulled so many of the other ones, 1006 00:47:35,333 --> 00:47:36,533 the pump systems they pulled, 1007 00:47:36,533 --> 00:47:37,834 they pulled the water features, 1008 00:47:37,834 --> 00:47:40,567 they pulled the pick the pump pump and the water heaters. 1009 00:47:41,567 --> 00:47:43,000 So that's why it was like, okay 1010 00:47:43,667 --> 00:47:45,834 the splash pad is a safety pad that they put 1011 00:47:46,467 --> 00:47:49,100 in the pressure for little kids. Correct. Yeah, 1012 00:47:49,233 --> 00:47:50,700 - I know what it - Is. It's, yeah. Yeah. 1013 00:47:51,033 --> 00:47:53,100 - It was just, they it's fine. - But you're, 1014 00:47:53,634 --> 00:47:55,767 are you thinking that that that's an extravagance? 1015 00:47:55,834 --> 00:47:58,033 - Well it just seemed that it was more important things 1016 00:47:58,900 --> 00:48:00,333 that they were sort of like advocating for, 1017 00:48:00,333 --> 00:48:02,033 which was like the, the prompts and 1018 00:48:02,700 --> 00:48:06,634 - I guess from, you know, we had to kind of do it real time 1019 00:48:06,867 --> 00:48:09,300 but, but you know, we can still push back on these things 1020 00:48:09,867 --> 00:48:13,066 but it seems like they, that this is what they felt 1021 00:48:13,100 --> 00:48:16,033 and I figured that they would have more of the expertise 1022 00:48:16,100 --> 00:48:18,100 and kind of deferring to them on that. 1023 00:48:18,333 --> 00:48:19,767 'cause you're right, we thought maybe that wasn't 1024 00:48:19,767 --> 00:48:21,033 so necessary, but that's the one 1025 00:48:21,033 --> 00:48:22,533 that they really wanted going forward. 1026 00:48:23,066 --> 00:48:24,066 - Just surprising. - Interesting. 1027 00:48:24,100 --> 00:48:25,934 And I guess that's for the kids, you know, 1028 00:48:26,100 --> 00:48:28,934 and being safe for the kids so kids don't 1029 00:48:28,934 --> 00:48:29,934 - Pay taxes. 1030 00:48:31,266 --> 00:48:32,934 I said well the kids don't pay taxes 1031 00:48:34,066 --> 00:48:36,767 - Happy when you take your daughter, but your little child, 1032 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:38,000 - You we'll do all. 1033 00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:38,634 We went there, we were happy. 1034 00:48:41,333 --> 00:48:44,333 - Anyway. So I dunno if anybody has any of the questions, 1035 00:48:44,333 --> 00:48:47,634 but we'll clearly be visiting this more this, this as, 1036 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,634 as Amy said, there's a process with 1037 00:48:49,634 --> 00:48:50,634 - All this. 1038 00:48:50,634 --> 00:48:51,066 I guess it, it seems like, 1039 00:48:51,100 --> 00:48:55,467 and that's, that's helpful sort of like framing it, it seems 1040 00:48:56,133 --> 00:48:59,000 like it is kind of lean 1041 00:48:59,166 --> 00:49:01,300 or leaner I guess. 1042 00:49:02,066 --> 00:49:04,734 And so I'm just like questioning like how, like 1043 00:49:07,333 --> 00:49:10,233 is it wise to sort of take a chopping block to things 1044 00:49:12,033 --> 00:49:15,500 when we don't even know if it's gonna necessarily impact 1045 00:49:15,834 --> 00:49:17,367 our portion? 1046 00:49:17,767 --> 00:49:19,834 Correct. Correct. 1047 00:49:20,266 --> 00:49:22,033 I just, so it kind of feels like I I just want you to be, 1048 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,100 - You - Know, aware of 1049 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:28,066 it. That sucks My 1050 00:49:28,066 --> 00:49:30,734 - Concern, my concern is next year's gonna be harder. 1051 00:49:32,367 --> 00:49:33,333 - It seems like they were waiting, they were 1052 00:49:33,333 --> 00:49:34,500 deferring things. Yeah, yeah. 1053 00:49:34,567 --> 00:49:36,266 - They're gonna dump, but they always defer 1054 00:49:36,266 --> 00:49:37,867 things I think, you know what I mean? It's a little, 1055 00:49:38,066 --> 00:49:39,033 - Well this one seemed like they've been 1056 00:49:39,233 --> 00:49:41,066 deferring a lot of things for a bit. Yeah, 1057 00:49:41,066 --> 00:49:42,533 - They, they've been deferring a lot of things 1058 00:49:42,667 --> 00:49:47,033 and one item that is tangential sort of to this discussion. 1059 00:49:47,467 --> 00:49:50,100 So one of the things that when we talk about assessments 1060 00:49:50,100 --> 00:49:53,000 that hasn't happened in our county is our county has not 1061 00:49:53,100 --> 00:49:57,000 reassessed our real estate taxes since 1994. 1062 00:49:57,467 --> 00:50:01,500 And that's 120% inflation since 1994. 1063 00:50:02,100 --> 00:50:03,100 And when you talk 1064 00:50:03,166 --> 00:50:05,700 with anybody at the county about it, they freak out. 1065 00:50:06,300 --> 00:50:09,533 Commissioner Higgins and I were at a a HUD event 1066 00:50:09,634 --> 00:50:11,000 and there was a big group of people there. 1067 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,767 The manager from Beon Borough brought it up. 1068 00:50:12,767 --> 00:50:15,066 Commissioner Higgins didn't like that and went over 1069 00:50:15,066 --> 00:50:16,734 and said, you don't know what you don't know. 1070 00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:21,233 Well what I know is there's a, a caveat under the law 1071 00:50:21,233 --> 00:50:23,634 that it pertains to reassessment of county properties 1072 00:50:23,900 --> 00:50:25,033 or properties in a county 1073 00:50:25,133 --> 00:50:28,066 and it says there's a fair share component. 1074 00:50:28,433 --> 00:50:31,066 And so we have all of the growth in the Centre Region 1075 00:50:31,133 --> 00:50:32,500 or the majority of the growth in the Centre 1076 00:50:32,500 --> 00:50:33,533 Region, the Beon area. 1077 00:50:33,900 --> 00:50:35,300 So those properties are coming in 1078 00:50:35,367 --> 00:50:37,066 and they all come in, we see it here 1079 00:50:37,166 --> 00:50:38,634 and they fight their assessments. 1080 00:50:39,433 --> 00:50:41,000 So their assessment goes down 1081 00:50:41,266 --> 00:50:43,100 and then that doesn't benefit anybody. 1082 00:50:43,634 --> 00:50:46,033 But the other parts of the county that don't see a lot 1083 00:50:46,033 --> 00:50:47,867 of growth, they're benefiting from the new growth 1084 00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:49,133 in the Centre Region. 1085 00:50:49,667 --> 00:50:52,033 So because of that, the fair share might come into play 1086 00:50:52,033 --> 00:50:53,467 where a property owner could come in 1087 00:50:53,467 --> 00:50:54,767 and say this isn't fair. 1088 00:50:54,767 --> 00:50:56,533 You're trying to sock me 1089 00:50:56,533 --> 00:50:59,233 with a market rate assessment when you haven't reassessed in 1090 00:50:59,433 --> 00:51:02,000 30 years and you have other places in the county 1091 00:51:02,066 --> 00:51:04,000 that are benefiting from this. 1092 00:51:04,634 --> 00:51:05,767 So I understand 1093 00:51:05,834 --> 00:51:08,333 that reassessment in Pennsylvania is this political 1094 00:51:08,634 --> 00:51:11,033 football, but it should not be to the point 1095 00:51:11,033 --> 00:51:14,066 where it's been 32 years since we've been reassessed. 1096 00:51:14,367 --> 00:51:16,100 That does not help anybody. 1097 00:51:16,934 --> 00:51:20,033 And when they reassess a third of the taxes go up, a third 1098 00:51:20,033 --> 00:51:23,066 of the taxes go down and a third of the taxes stay the same. 1099 00:51:24,033 --> 00:51:26,033 And so the Commissioners will tell you it's 1100 00:51:26,033 --> 00:51:28,033 $6 million to do a reassessment. 1101 00:51:28,467 --> 00:51:29,567 That's it probably is. 1102 00:51:29,834 --> 00:51:30,467 'cause they go out and they 1103 00:51:30,467 --> 00:51:31,934 physically look at every property. 1104 00:51:32,233 --> 00:51:34,133 But if it did it every five 1105 00:51:34,266 --> 00:51:37,000 or every 10 years, there are counties, Allegheny's one 1106 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,000 of 'em, I think Dolphins 1107 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:39,333 and other ones, some of the ones around the RI 1108 00:51:39,333 --> 00:51:41,867 of Philadelphia, they have passed policies 1109 00:51:41,867 --> 00:51:44,333 that re they reassess every five to 10 years. 1110 00:51:44,867 --> 00:51:46,233 And then it's not such a big deal. 1111 00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:48,533 It's the counties that wait all these years 1112 00:51:49,033 --> 00:51:50,734 that then it hurts your residents 1113 00:51:51,433 --> 00:51:54,000 and it hurts your local governments And everybody, 1114 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,767 as we talked earlier with the pay plan 1115 00:51:55,767 --> 00:51:57,266 and what we're doing with our CIP, 1116 00:51:58,033 --> 00:51:59,467 everybody's hurting right now. 1117 00:51:59,734 --> 00:52:02,066 So maybe we should all try to work together 1118 00:52:02,567 --> 00:52:04,867 and row the boat in the same direction so 1119 00:52:04,867 --> 00:52:07,867 that we can all stop having to defer everything 1120 00:52:07,867 --> 00:52:08,934 that we need to have done. 1121 00:52:09,100 --> 00:52:12,000 Our residents expect us to provide services to them. 1122 00:52:12,266 --> 00:52:14,000 But we have to look at what's cost effective. 1123 00:52:14,433 --> 00:52:17,333 And I just really wish the Commissioners would hear from 1124 00:52:17,767 --> 00:52:19,266 they, I mean we've brought it up, 1125 00:52:19,266 --> 00:52:20,266 managers have brought it up. 1126 00:52:20,266 --> 00:52:21,133 I've talked with the county 1127 00:52:21,333 --> 00:52:23,066 administrator about it in the past. 1128 00:52:23,433 --> 00:52:24,500 They don't wanna hear from us. 1129 00:52:24,533 --> 00:52:26,233 They need to hear from elected officials. 1130 00:52:26,266 --> 00:52:28,000 They probably need to hear from other folks 1131 00:52:28,300 --> 00:52:30,033 that this is something they need to do 1132 00:52:30,133 --> 00:52:33,066 and they need to do it in 27 or 28 before this gets worse. 1133 00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:35,634 Inflation is doing bad things on its own 1134 00:52:35,934 --> 00:52:37,634 and then you let it go 32 years 1135 00:52:37,867 --> 00:52:39,066 and it's doing really bad things. 1136 00:52:39,367 --> 00:52:41,233 So what did you say the, the percent inflation has 1137 00:52:41,233 --> 00:52:42,333 been 120%. 1138 00:52:42,533 --> 00:52:46,066 120% since 1994. 94. Okay. 1139 00:52:46,467 --> 00:52:49,000 And the last time, fun fact, the last time 1140 00:52:49,634 --> 00:52:52,533 we were reassessed in 1994, the Centre Region threatened 1141 00:52:52,533 --> 00:52:54,100 to sue the county and that's what got them 1142 00:52:54,100 --> 00:52:55,367 to do the reassessment. 1143 00:52:56,233 --> 00:52:57,867 So why does it need to come to that? 1144 00:52:58,133 --> 00:52:59,834 Why can't the commissioner sit down 1145 00:52:59,900 --> 00:53:01,266 and listen to the elected officials 1146 00:53:01,500 --> 00:53:04,000 and say, Hey I think it's time to do this 1147 00:53:04,066 --> 00:53:07,100 because fun fact, in 1994 I was in college. 1148 00:53:07,266 --> 00:53:08,634 That's a long time ago. 1149 00:53:10,266 --> 00:53:11,700 - I was five years old in diapers. 1150 00:53:13,100 --> 00:53:14,734 I said I was five years old in papers. 1151 00:53:18,500 --> 00:53:19,834 - Okay. I'll say - How white 1152 00:53:20,567 --> 00:53:23,367 - The Senate, when you say the center regent was threatened, 1153 00:53:23,367 --> 00:53:25,500 Sue, would that, would that have been COG or was that 1154 00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:27,066 - Collectively the municipalities? 1155 00:53:27,100 --> 00:53:30,066 It was. So I believe it was collectively the municipalities, 1156 00:53:31,133 --> 00:53:33,867 all of the managers that were here in 1994 are no longer. 1157 00:53:34,100 --> 00:53:36,066 I mean they're still alive, but they're no longer managers. 1158 00:53:36,266 --> 00:53:38,734 But I believe it collectively, the managers got together 1159 00:53:38,734 --> 00:53:40,000 with the elected officials and the elected 1160 00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,634 officials threatened to file a lawsuit. 1161 00:53:42,834 --> 00:53:46,066 - Okay. - And what you also bunch up against is, 1162 00:53:47,133 --> 00:53:48,266 unless you're State College 1163 00:53:48,266 --> 00:53:50,133 or Ferguson, which are home rule municipalities, 1164 00:53:50,667 --> 00:53:53,233 the Pennsylvania codes provide caps on 1165 00:53:53,233 --> 00:53:56,233 how much your assessment or how much your tax rate can be. 1166 00:53:56,734 --> 00:53:59,066 And we're getting close to ours. 1167 00:53:59,166 --> 00:54:01,567 Harris Township is getting close to theirs I think, 1168 00:54:01,667 --> 00:54:04,100 and I think some of the other municipalities as well. 1169 00:54:04,433 --> 00:54:06,834 And the concern is that's a real problem 1170 00:54:06,834 --> 00:54:08,266 because then you have to go to the court 1171 00:54:08,333 --> 00:54:10,567 and you have to ask for permission to raise your taxes. 1172 00:54:11,066 --> 00:54:12,634 And that's when the court ends up telling the 1173 00:54:12,634 --> 00:54:13,734 county you have to reassess. 1174 00:54:13,834 --> 00:54:14,834 Yeah. 1175 00:54:15,033 --> 00:54:18,066 - And again, it was 1994 was the last time I said, and, 1176 00:54:18,467 --> 00:54:23,033 and what, what is, what's the formula for the ceiling 1177 00:54:23,266 --> 00:54:24,700 that you couldn't raise it anymore? 1178 00:54:25,133 --> 00:54:26,300 - It's in the state code. 1179 00:54:26,700 --> 00:54:28,934 So the second class Township code says, 1180 00:54:28,934 --> 00:54:30,000 and I don't even know what it is, 1181 00:54:30,133 --> 00:54:32,033 - I can't - Remember, but it has a, 1182 00:54:32,500 --> 00:54:34,467 you can't go above a certain amount. So, 1183 00:54:34,667 --> 00:54:35,667 - So many amounts. 1184 00:54:35,867 --> 00:54:36,867 - And when you I could, I 1185 00:54:36,867 --> 00:54:37,867 - Could get that. 1186 00:54:37,867 --> 00:54:38,567 Yeah, we should maybe we could talk about 1187 00:54:39,066 --> 00:54:41,867 - Tomorrow and when you, Friday. Friday, I 1188 00:54:41,867 --> 00:54:43,066 - Mean - That's right. 1189 00:54:43,066 --> 00:54:45,300 Friday and when you do a reassessment, you're not allowed 1190 00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:47,934 to raise your taxes in the same year that you reassess. 1191 00:54:47,934 --> 00:54:50,333 So what happens is your tax rate jumps down. 1192 00:54:50,867 --> 00:54:54,033 So your ta our tax rate is 12.1 right now. Right? Yes. 1193 00:54:54,133 --> 00:54:55,333 So it likely will drop 1194 00:54:55,333 --> 00:54:58,567 because with the reassessment it resets everything 1195 00:54:58,567 --> 00:54:59,700 and re-level out. 1196 00:55:00,100 --> 00:55:02,100 So when they did this in 1994, 1197 00:55:02,467 --> 00:55:05,000 Harris Township was at like 13.1 1198 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:07,000 and it dropped down to 3.1 mills. 1199 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,066 And you can't raise taxes. 1200 00:55:08,100 --> 00:55:10,834 But you typically, it's supposed to be revenue neutral. 1201 00:55:10,834 --> 00:55:13,266 Right. But it helps you bring things up to the cost of what 1202 00:55:14,133 --> 00:55:15,133 the market is today. 1203 00:55:18,033 --> 00:55:21,033 - Well there's a, there's a political cost to 1204 00:55:21,333 --> 00:55:22,133 - Yes. For elected 1205 00:55:22,133 --> 00:55:24,100 - Officials to changing 1206 00:55:24,133 --> 00:55:27,000 and that's what's, that's the tough part. 1207 00:55:27,166 --> 00:55:29,934 And I think, you know, it's, it's tough to talk about, 1208 00:55:30,266 --> 00:55:32,934 - But it has downstream effects, which is 1209 00:55:33,100 --> 00:55:34,934 what we're talking for elected officials. 1210 00:55:35,100 --> 00:55:36,734 We have a good context. Well not for elected of official, 1211 00:55:36,734 --> 00:55:38,367 I'm talking about min municipalities. Well 1212 00:55:38,367 --> 00:55:40,767 - It it's that too, which - Is why we're municipal. 1213 00:55:40,767 --> 00:55:43,100 - But I think the reluctance to agree 1214 00:55:43,100 --> 00:55:45,500 to a reassessment has to do with, 1215 00:55:46,767 --> 00:55:48,367 - Well, and this is where the state of 1216 00:55:48,467 --> 00:55:50,533 of Pennsylvania really needs to step in 1217 00:55:50,700 --> 00:55:51,867 and just say you have 1218 00:55:51,867 --> 00:55:53,634 to do it every 10 years with the census. 1219 00:55:54,533 --> 00:55:55,734 That would make it mandated. 1220 00:55:55,867 --> 00:55:59,233 And then there was a county out west somewhere they hadn't 1221 00:55:59,333 --> 00:56:01,233 reassessed since 1968. 1222 00:56:01,834 --> 00:56:04,266 Do you know how much the world has changed since 1968? 1223 00:56:05,033 --> 00:56:06,300 Like that seems ridiculous. 1224 00:56:06,367 --> 00:56:08,100 So if the, if the state said you have 1225 00:56:08,100 --> 00:56:11,567 to do it every 10 years, that would benefit everybody. 1226 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:13,066 Everybody knows it's coming. 1227 00:56:13,166 --> 00:56:15,033 It becomes less of a political football. 1228 00:56:15,100 --> 00:56:16,233 Yeah. And it gets done. 1229 00:56:17,100 --> 00:56:19,467 - So the, so this isn't an agenda item, 1230 00:56:20,133 --> 00:56:23,767 but I guess my wonder is could we direct staff to give us 1231 00:56:24,667 --> 00:56:29,100 outline more details about this particular 1232 00:56:29,266 --> 00:56:33,367 issue, its impact sort of on our, our 1233 00:56:34,734 --> 00:56:36,567 budget revenue sort of like stuff 1234 00:56:36,567 --> 00:56:39,333 and sort of like ways we can move forward toward advocating. 1235 00:56:40,367 --> 00:56:44,700 - Yeah. - Just to have something more clear and coherent in 1236 00:56:44,700 --> 00:56:45,700 - Writing. 1237 00:56:45,700 --> 00:56:47,033 And also I, and included in that 1238 00:56:47,100 --> 00:56:51,500 or ancillary to that is we've brought up 1239 00:56:52,133 --> 00:56:54,834 the previous meeting, the discussion about home rule. 1240 00:56:55,133 --> 00:56:56,133 Yes. About looking into that. 1241 00:56:56,166 --> 00:57:00,066 And I know that we've agreed which would, would help us 1242 00:57:00,066 --> 00:57:01,767 to a certain extent, but the 1243 00:57:01,767 --> 00:57:03,033 problem's still not gonna go away. 1244 00:57:04,867 --> 00:57:06,934 - Well home rule helps 1245 00:57:06,934 --> 00:57:09,667 because in home rule you set your own real estate transfer 1246 00:57:09,700 --> 00:57:11,700 tax percentage, you can move that up 1247 00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:14,100 or down, you can move your EIT percentage up or down. 1248 00:57:14,367 --> 00:57:16,834 You get tools that we are not allowed to have right now 1249 00:57:16,834 --> 00:57:18,433 because we're a second class Township. 1250 00:57:19,266 --> 00:57:22,700 So that really helps us drive our own bus, which is good. 1251 00:57:23,033 --> 00:57:24,734 The Borough will tell you they still have issues 1252 00:57:24,734 --> 00:57:25,834 with the assessment on the 1253 00:57:25,834 --> 00:57:27,100 properties because of the way it is. 1254 00:57:27,467 --> 00:57:29,934 There's, and we can get you some more information. 1255 00:57:30,033 --> 00:57:31,567 I'm by no means an expert on any of this, 1256 00:57:31,700 --> 00:57:33,367 but there's a common level ratio 1257 00:57:33,367 --> 00:57:35,634 that gets applied when you buy a property. 1258 00:57:36,066 --> 00:57:38,066 We're so far off the comp, we're like, 1259 00:57:38,066 --> 00:57:40,667 it's 7.2% off the common level ratio now. 1260 00:57:40,734 --> 00:57:45,100 So it's, it's becoming more of an issue as we go on. 1261 00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:47,834 And I know there are more the beon manager, 1262 00:57:47,834 --> 00:57:50,567 the Harris manager myself more that are talking about it now 1263 00:57:50,567 --> 00:57:53,233 because of the impact on our communities. 1264 00:57:53,467 --> 00:57:54,900 - Okay. Yeah. - Yeah. 1265 00:57:55,100 --> 00:57:56,266 It would be, it would be useful 1266 00:57:56,266 --> 00:57:57,667 for us to understand it better. 1267 00:57:58,000 --> 00:57:59,100 - So are you saying that Harris 1268 00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:01,100 and Bellon are looking at home rule or that they're, 1269 00:58:01,100 --> 00:58:02,100 - They're looking at assessment? 1270 00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:03,934 No, they're not looking at assessment at both at home rule. 1271 00:58:04,033 --> 00:58:07,100 But I know that both have, last year I reached out 1272 00:58:07,100 --> 00:58:08,700 to the other managers and talked about it briefly 1273 00:58:09,233 --> 00:58:11,233 and I know Harris had said the manager had said something 1274 00:58:11,233 --> 00:58:13,433 about it and then the bellmont manager had brought it up 1275 00:58:13,700 --> 00:58:15,900 when we were at this HUD meeting a couple weeks ago. 1276 00:58:15,900 --> 00:58:20,033 - Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He got him stuff. Okay. 1277 00:58:21,066 --> 00:58:22,467 Thank you for that. Any, 1278 00:58:22,734 --> 00:58:25,300 anybody have any other comments on the, any 1279 00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:27,066 of the committee report? Oh yeah, 1280 00:58:27,233 --> 00:58:28,233 - Go ahead. 1281 00:58:28,367 --> 00:58:30,767 I was gonna mention about the C-C-M-P-O. 1282 00:58:31,066 --> 00:58:33,767 I was there, we had a meeting last night 1283 00:58:34,634 --> 00:58:38,033 and I, by the way, yeah, it's, I get credit apparently 1284 00:58:38,033 --> 00:58:40,066 for Larry writing the report just, 1285 00:58:40,066 --> 00:58:41,133 but it was Larry that writes that 1286 00:58:41,467 --> 00:58:44,033 for the finance, just so you know. So 1287 00:58:44,934 --> 00:58:46,066 - You never - Wrote that report. 1288 00:58:46,233 --> 00:58:48,000 Thank you Larry. Thank you. 1289 00:58:48,033 --> 00:58:49,767 But I don't want to be a fraud on that. 1290 00:58:49,834 --> 00:58:54,734 Anyway, so the only the they spent, I, I won't go 1291 00:58:54,734 --> 00:58:56,066 through the, it was a long meeting and everything, 1292 00:58:56,100 --> 00:58:57,233 but the thing I wanted to mention, 1293 00:58:57,700 --> 00:59:00,467 'cause I think some of you are interested in the rail study, 1294 00:59:00,934 --> 00:59:03,767 we had to prove that it was, that there was a draft on that. 1295 00:59:04,133 --> 00:59:05,567 And we talked about that a fair bit. 1296 00:59:06,900 --> 00:59:10,266 And I'm not knowledgeable at all about, about it, 1297 00:59:10,500 --> 00:59:14,100 but I would love if we could actually have rail come here. 1298 00:59:14,100 --> 00:59:15,500 And I think most people do. 1299 00:59:16,367 --> 00:59:19,634 So the, they had 1300 00:59:20,767 --> 00:59:24,066 concluded they had like four options 1301 00:59:24,467 --> 00:59:29,266 and basically two of 'em have to do with getting us 1302 00:59:29,367 --> 00:59:33,033 to the, the more of the major hubs for rail, 1303 00:59:33,100 --> 00:59:37,133 which would be like Harrisburg or Altoona through bus. 1304 00:59:38,066 --> 00:59:40,133 Bus. And then you go and, 1305 00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:42,100 and just make it so that it's 1306 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,500 I guess more regular and things like that. 1307 00:59:45,133 --> 00:59:47,900 Those are the, and then I don't, there's a little difference 1308 00:59:47,900 --> 00:59:49,066 between the next two. 1309 00:59:49,266 --> 00:59:51,900 One of them was to take existing lines. 1310 00:59:52,533 --> 00:59:55,033 I guess it went to miles, I think, 1311 00:59:55,233 --> 00:59:58,066 I think the rail goes there that I think is, has 1312 00:59:58,834 --> 01:00:01,066 commercial traffic like and 1313 01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:04,500 but not rail to make it so that you could have passenger 1314 01:00:05,233 --> 01:00:08,166 there would still, and we talked, I'm the one 1315 01:00:08,166 --> 01:00:09,300 that asked the question how much 1316 01:00:09,300 --> 01:00:13,000 because they, they made it like the, the recommendation was 1317 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:14,867 to do the ones that are cheap, the cheap ones, 1318 01:00:14,867 --> 01:00:16,233 which is basically take the bus, 1319 01:00:17,100 --> 01:00:18,667 which we kind of already do now. 1320 01:00:19,066 --> 01:00:21,000 And, and so, and so I asked the question 1321 01:00:21,133 --> 01:00:23,100 'cause I said I guess this is just too expensive. 1322 01:00:23,100 --> 01:00:24,033 It's like a pipe dream here 1323 01:00:24,767 --> 01:00:27,500 and how much, so anyway, 1324 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:29,900 finally they would talk more numbers. 1325 01:00:30,066 --> 01:00:34,266 So to do the one, so, so let's say the, 1326 01:00:34,900 --> 01:00:38,066 the Cadillac version, which is like getting Amtrak here 1327 01:00:39,033 --> 01:00:40,133 from, but the question is from 1328 01:00:40,133 --> 01:00:43,767 where you mean like from Philadelphia to like State College 1329 01:00:44,667 --> 01:00:46,133 or it could be the airport, 1330 01:00:46,367 --> 01:00:49,066 but someplace right here in the Centre Region. 1331 01:00:49,100 --> 01:00:51,300 Yeah. Okay. I hear you. That's the, that's the Cadillac. 1332 01:00:51,300 --> 01:00:54,066 The one below that I think would be going to Miles work 1333 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,233 and using existing rail, but you still have to do upgrades. 1334 01:00:57,834 --> 01:01:02,066 So between, it sounds like the, the, the, the 1335 01:01:03,300 --> 01:01:05,233 non Cadillac, the Volkswagen version 1336 01:01:05,300 --> 01:01:08,266 of it would be still hundreds of millions of dollars. 1337 01:01:09,900 --> 01:01:11,133 So a still big ticket. 1338 01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:16,300 The, the full tilt thing, Amtrak, 1339 01:01:17,066 --> 01:01:19,667 and again, these are just kind not exactly wild as, 1340 01:01:19,934 --> 01:01:22,033 'cause the guy that was mentioning it had a lot 1341 01:01:22,033 --> 01:01:23,433 of experience, but, 1342 01:01:24,500 --> 01:01:26,700 or gave it finally gave some hint of numbers. 1343 01:01:27,133 --> 01:01:28,700 It sounds like it would be closer to 1344 01:01:28,700 --> 01:01:30,033 that billion dollar mark. 1345 01:01:30,433 --> 01:01:32,133 The higher, hundreds of millions, 1346 01:01:32,133 --> 01:01:33,433 potentially a billion dollars. 1347 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,467 But the point that was made is the connector that we have 1348 01:01:36,867 --> 01:01:38,734 that's going in, that has been funded, 1349 01:01:39,233 --> 01:01:41,000 that is like a billion dollars. 1350 01:01:41,533 --> 01:01:45,900 So what what the, 1351 01:01:46,066 --> 01:01:49,867 the consensus is, is that if we wanna do the, 1352 01:01:50,066 --> 01:01:52,033 the community wants more of the rail, 1353 01:01:54,066 --> 01:01:55,300 but you have to do baby steps. 1354 01:01:56,033 --> 01:01:59,033 So we have to start by doing the cheap options 1355 01:01:59,033 --> 01:02:03,066 with a bus thing and prove that we're using the, 1356 01:02:03,367 --> 01:02:08,133 the railroad service that we're to Harrisburg 1357 01:02:08,133 --> 01:02:12,867 and, and that that then can build on itself to justify 1358 01:02:13,433 --> 01:02:16,300 the traffic to do the more expensive things potentially. 1359 01:02:17,033 --> 01:02:21,000 So I think that as a, in, as a organization, 1360 01:02:21,066 --> 01:02:26,066 C-C-M-P-O is going to make, keep that like the short, 1361 01:02:26,033 --> 01:02:29,133 the shorter term vision and the longer term vision. 1362 01:02:29,367 --> 01:02:31,100 Keep that in there. 1363 01:02:31,734 --> 01:02:36,133 And I may well be dead before they can do the one 1364 01:02:36,133 --> 01:02:37,300 and maybe they never will. 1365 01:02:37,467 --> 01:02:39,934 But, but you have to dream big. 1366 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:41,300 So that's kind of the dream one. 1367 01:02:42,066 --> 01:02:45,066 But with people that have chutzpah 1368 01:02:45,100 --> 01:02:47,033 and that, that have experience. 1369 01:02:47,133 --> 01:02:50,100 So it's not a complete fantasy, I would say. 1370 01:02:50,433 --> 01:02:52,300 So, so it's possible that we could get it, 1371 01:02:52,567 --> 01:02:55,567 but we have to kind of go with this roadmap of, of, 1372 01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:57,634 of fighting what we can do. 1373 01:02:58,066 --> 01:03:00,700 So that's kind of a long-winded way of saying that 1374 01:03:00,700 --> 01:03:01,867 that hasn't died at all. 1375 01:03:02,233 --> 01:03:03,567 And, and, 1376 01:03:03,634 --> 01:03:06,700 and there was a lot of comments regarding that study 1377 01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:09,567 because there was a lot of stakeholders that, 1378 01:03:09,767 --> 01:03:12,133 that participated in this, in that, which was a big deal. 1379 01:03:13,133 --> 01:03:16,000 And if you asked me a list of like, I mean, Amtrak was one 1380 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,333 of 'em then am there's, there's another, 1381 01:03:18,533 --> 01:03:21,066 I forget which one PennDOT was involved with it, but, 1382 01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:23,700 but important stakeholders 1383 01:03:24,333 --> 01:03:28,333 and people that also had experience across the state 1384 01:03:28,467 --> 01:03:30,233 of Pennsylvania doing a lot of this kind 1385 01:03:30,233 --> 01:03:31,333 of work that had been involved. 1386 01:03:31,700 --> 01:03:33,233 And the other thing that kind of came up 1387 01:03:33,233 --> 01:03:35,834 that I'll just mention is that, you know, 1388 01:03:35,834 --> 01:03:37,634 just like COG apparently is the gold standard. 1389 01:03:37,867 --> 01:03:40,100 Our C-C-M-P-O is apparently a gold standard 1390 01:03:40,834 --> 01:03:42,367 that the particular one we have is 1391 01:03:42,567 --> 01:03:43,834 very well run, apparently. 1392 01:03:44,634 --> 01:03:46,100 So just thought I mentioned that too, 1393 01:03:47,867 --> 01:03:51,033 - In the spirit of LA it seems like, from what I hear, 1394 01:03:51,066 --> 01:03:52,867 we just need to keep chugging along. 1395 01:03:55,500 --> 01:03:57,634 - Said the funny part, - We just keep, 1396 01:03:57,700 --> 01:03:59,333 need to keep chugging along. We keep 1397 01:03:59,500 --> 01:04:02,133 - Chugging along and we, and we keep optimistic. 1398 01:04:02,033 --> 01:04:04,734 Thank you. Yeah, that was awesome. Yes. 1399 01:04:05,133 --> 01:04:06,934 - There - You go. Love you Elliot. Yeah. 1400 01:04:07,033 --> 01:04:09,700 - You - Know, follow the yellow bit prick record. 1401 01:04:11,433 --> 01:04:14,066 - I, I just, I just wanna chime in really quickly 1402 01:04:14,133 --> 01:04:17,133 that if you actually look at a map of the state 1403 01:04:17,133 --> 01:04:19,133 of Pennsylvania, you look at the rail tracks that are 1404 01:04:19,533 --> 01:04:20,567 already laid down 1405 01:04:21,500 --> 01:04:24,100 and you look at any historical rail tracks, you'll see 1406 01:04:24,100 --> 01:04:26,100 that there is nothing that goes direct 1407 01:04:26,100 --> 01:04:27,166 from State College Philadelphia. 1408 01:04:27,500 --> 01:04:30,133 So nothing that goes east of State College. Yep. 1409 01:04:30,133 --> 01:04:32,100 And it has to do with geography. 1410 01:04:32,433 --> 01:04:33,567 So it has to do with the mountains. 1411 01:04:34,500 --> 01:04:36,333 Anyway, I'm not gonna go any farther than that, 1412 01:04:36,467 --> 01:04:39,300 but, so I don't, we're getting off subject. 1413 01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:40,333 Thank you. Okay. 1414 01:04:40,367 --> 01:04:42,567 But I, I did wanna say something about the finance 1415 01:04:42,567 --> 01:04:44,300 committee, which I did not sit on, 1416 01:04:44,300 --> 01:04:45,667 but I was in the executive committee, 1417 01:04:46,834 --> 01:04:48,734 which talked about the finance committee. 1418 01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:52,000 And one thing that I found out was 1419 01:04:53,734 --> 01:04:58,066 from Ben Elle, our executive director of course, of, of COG, 1420 01:04:58,467 --> 01:05:02,367 that the, that he is pushing for a number 1421 01:05:02,500 --> 01:05:03,533 of the changes. 1422 01:05:03,900 --> 01:05:06,867 Basically trying to put reason 1423 01:05:06,934 --> 01:05:10,867 and process into a system that has been sort 1424 01:05:10,867 --> 01:05:13,500 of bootstrapped from 1967 with 1425 01:05:14,867 --> 01:05:16,767 something small working on a small scale 1426 01:05:16,767 --> 01:05:17,767 and somebody else comes along 1427 01:05:17,767 --> 01:05:20,100 and everything's been going on the same way. 1428 01:05:21,467 --> 01:05:23,567 And, you know, change is hard for everybody. 1429 01:05:23,734 --> 01:05:26,467 So I give a lot of credit to him for 1430 01:05:28,133 --> 01:05:31,700 really just diving right into these opportunities 1431 01:05:31,867 --> 01:05:33,066 to make things a little bit more, 1432 01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:37,166 to run a little more smoothly. 1433 01:05:38,066 --> 01:05:39,233 And I think he, like Larry, 1434 01:05:39,333 --> 01:05:40,433 I think he just gets up in the morning 1435 01:05:40,433 --> 01:05:43,634 and says, you know what, what can I look at today? 1436 01:05:43,767 --> 01:05:46,066 So he, he really does put a lot of time 1437 01:05:46,066 --> 01:05:48,667 and energy into it, so kudos to him. 1438 01:05:48,667 --> 01:05:52,166 And then kudos to everybody on the finance committee 1439 01:05:52,166 --> 01:05:54,333 that their meetings were four hours long. 1440 01:05:55,300 --> 01:05:58,634 And, and then kudos to also Kimberly 1441 01:05:58,867 --> 01:06:01,266 and Corey who are on staff 1442 01:06:01,500 --> 01:06:05,233 and they actually had to enter data 1443 01:06:06,133 --> 01:06:08,066 because we've got gone to a new system, 1444 01:06:08,066 --> 01:06:09,100 which is called Clear 1445 01:06:09,100 --> 01:06:10,100 - Gov. 1446 01:06:10,100 --> 01:06:11,100 Clear gov, yeah. It's a big deal that they did 1447 01:06:11,100 --> 01:06:12,233 that it's gonna make it easier 1448 01:06:12,533 --> 01:06:13,533 - In the future. 1449 01:06:13,533 --> 01:06:15,033 So they, they had to enter data not just for this year, 1450 01:06:15,233 --> 01:06:16,266 but for two previous years. 1451 01:06:16,266 --> 01:06:18,100 - They'll make it easier and more transparency. 1452 01:06:18,000 --> 01:06:19,033 That's one thing we're really 1453 01:06:19,033 --> 01:06:20,233 trying to push for is transparency. 1454 01:06:20,300 --> 01:06:21,634 - Yeah. So, so they're looking at 1455 01:06:21,634 --> 01:06:23,867 practicality and transparency. Yeah. And so that's, 1456 01:06:24,266 --> 01:06:25,266 - And the two - Have to go together. 1457 01:06:25,500 --> 01:06:26,500 - And I wanna add one more thing, 1458 01:06:26,634 --> 01:06:28,467 if I cannot back redo about the 1459 01:06:28,467 --> 01:06:30,066 finance on the finance stuff. 1460 01:06:30,867 --> 01:06:33,100 You know, there's been discussions about the balance fund, 1461 01:06:33,133 --> 01:06:34,433 the, the finance committee 1462 01:06:34,433 --> 01:06:37,166 before I balance got involved, I've spent a lot 1463 01:06:37,166 --> 01:06:41,734 of effort trying to get this balance fund in, in place. 1464 01:06:42,033 --> 01:06:43,567 And the idea, we are gonna roll it out 1465 01:06:43,634 --> 01:06:45,000 in probably five years. 1466 01:06:45,100 --> 01:06:47,867 So this 2027 supposed to be the first year 1467 01:06:48,266 --> 01:06:50,734 because of the budget pressures and 1468 01:06:50,734 --> 01:06:55,133 because there's a, Ben made the assessment that they have 1469 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:58,233 essentially enough in the balance funds 1470 01:06:58,467 --> 01:07:00,066 by sharing through agencies. 1471 01:07:00,100 --> 01:07:04,000 'cause some agencies are completely full plus extra 1472 01:07:04,033 --> 01:07:05,266 and some don't have 1473 01:07:05,300 --> 01:07:07,133 what they should have in the balance fund 1474 01:07:07,667 --> 01:07:11,100 that we're taking a hiatus this year, technically 1475 01:07:11,100 --> 01:07:13,166 of contributing to it 2027. 1476 01:07:13,233 --> 01:07:14,667 Do you wanna add anything to that, Linda? 1477 01:07:14,834 --> 01:07:18,066 - No, that's, - That's, so just so you know, that's 1478 01:07:18,066 --> 01:07:20,066 what we're, that's what the finance committee recommended 1479 01:07:20,100 --> 01:07:22,700 as well, kind of, we discussed that too. 1480 01:07:22,867 --> 01:07:26,433 So if you don't hear so about the balance fund, it's not 1481 01:07:26,433 --> 01:07:30,166 that it's gone away, it's just that we're sort of, 1482 01:07:31,133 --> 01:07:34,266 it's sort of in there good enough for next year. 1483 01:07:35,500 --> 01:07:38,133 - Yeah. So anyway, I was in 1484 01:07:40,100 --> 01:07:42,266 tremendous admiration of what was going on. 1485 01:07:42,500 --> 01:07:44,433 I'm not, not, that's not in my wheelhouse, 1486 01:07:44,500 --> 01:07:47,133 but I certainly understand the work 1487 01:07:48,900 --> 01:07:50,734 and care that people put into it. 1488 01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:54,133 And especially this year with the decision 1489 01:07:54,166 --> 01:07:55,900 to make some changes, fundamental changes. 1490 01:07:57,266 --> 01:08:02,066 Yeah. So I'm gonna call out them anything else? 1491 01:08:03,266 --> 01:08:05,500 And for committee reports, if not, 1492 01:08:05,734 --> 01:08:07,767 I guess we're onto other business, so move, 1493 01:08:07,834 --> 01:08:09,000 oh no other business. 1494 01:08:09,166 --> 01:08:13,367 And then I guess we're onto item 12, which is adjournment. 1495 01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:16,734 So who, oh, did you do it first? 1496 01:08:18,100 --> 01:08:22,133 He's, well he's so moved. That did it. Okay. That's it. 1497 01:08:22,133 --> 01:08:25,066 That's all we need. Alright. Almost record. 1498 01:08:25,567 --> 01:08:27,233 Is that record time? Yeah, almost record time. 1499 01:08:59,734 --> 01:09:02,367 - You are watching CNET Center County's Government 1500 01:09:02,367 --> 01:09:04,100 and Educational Access Network.