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just does this work
wonderful

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thank you
i'm not much of a game show host or a

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microphone guy so i apologize
although it sounds kind of deep right

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now

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you guys can still talk amongst
yourselves i was just testing the

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microphone

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good evening everybody thank you for
being here could everyone please stand

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and follow me in the pledge of
allegiance

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i pledge allegiance to the flag of the
united states of america and to the

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republic for which it stands one nation
under god

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indivisible with liberty and justice for
all

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thank you everybody
so we're here tonight for a combined

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meeting with the uh uh mayor which i'll
just stay up here real quick so i can

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announce you and then we'll announce our
boards uh we have a uh a

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uh
consolidation

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petition that was circulated in our
community which all of you are well

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aware of
and uh so the town and village boards

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are here together with our council and
ben from leberg who's a expert in this

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field and we had him briefly on our
previous town board meeting to give some

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insightful information to everybody and
we think a meeting like this

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is going to be very very helpful moving
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thank you everyone for signing up and
being here in the room and respecting

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the social distancing the meeting is
also being broadcast live on on facebook

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on the town page for everyone else to
watch as well benson to go through a lot

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of the options this evening pros and
cons and then we'll take some comments

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from folks in the room as well
before we get started i just want to uh

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announce our board our town board we
have councilman derosa here councilwoman

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snow
councilman mccarthy our town clerk kathy

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giordano and our town attorney nancy
from hogan and rossi as well i'm going

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to turn it over to the mayor now mayor
lifting thank you for being here with

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your boards if you could just run
through them as well then we'll turn the

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show over to ben

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peters
john

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pearl slocum

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you look what's that
and lori

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thank you

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thank you mayor lifton we're going to
turn the meeting over to ben now ben

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thank you very much for being here well
thank you mr supervisor mayor boards

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both of the village and the town of
those of you that were able to come out

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tonight i thank you all for coming first
off this is my first and largest public

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meeting since march 12th so i thank you
all for being here and also want to

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welcome those that are watching live on
facebook uh this is a very important

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time in your governance it's an
opportunity for us to discuss the

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consolidation process uh i'm not going
to be going over the pros and cons of

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consolidation nor will i be going over
the finances yet what i wanted to go

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over today was what is the process
where you are in the process what the

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process means to you
and what's going to happen over the next

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10 days 30 days 90 days so we'll go the
first the first slide is my name again

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is ben seiden
i am the vice president of le burge

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group
uh le berge group is a municipal

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consulting company that's been working
with communities throughout new york

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state since 1964. one of our specialties
has been and is government operations

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and efficiency
we've been working with communities on

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dissolution
shared services consolidations all over

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the state and we're happy to be here
today with me today though is kathy

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rooney kathy is our local government
specialist uh cathy is a former county

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manager and she's been working on this
solution and consolidations with us for

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the for the last year
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couldn't be here today is john road at
john is public signals he's a former

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budget officer in the county in the
state and he does a lot of the numbers

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and fiscal analysis with us
so first off we'd ask you all to sign up

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to speak i'm not sure if the town clerks
have a sheet for signing if not we'll

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just raise our hands and speak in turn a
part of tonight's decorum is public

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speaking should be kept to three minutes
and we're going to do the best we can to

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keep you all up to three minutes that
everyone has the opportunity to speak

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and ask questions and move forward i am
going to ask though when you do your

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questions and answers to do whatever you
can to not repeat the same questions

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over and over again and ask new
information so that more people have the

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opportunity to speak tonight

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uh so how do we get here we're going to
go over how we got here we're going to

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go over the consolidation process we're
going to talk about an interim

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consolidation report should the village
in town choose to move in that direction

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and we're going to talk about a final
consolidation plan and the next steps

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and then we'll ask you guys questions
and answers so how do we get here

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yes
we got here because there was a petition

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you all know that there is a petition
it's not a secret there are two ways to

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start a consolidation or dissolution
under article 17 a number one is the

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village and town board can create a
board initiated process where you all

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get together and say you know it's a
good idea for us to look at our

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governance and figure out if this is a
gov tomorrow's government is the same as

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yesterday's government in other words
the government that we inherited doesn't

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work today
is it representative of our needs and is

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it the same government that we should
have in five or 10 or 20 years

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and that's that's an opportunity that
villager town could have done

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instead uh their petition was signed and
submitted for a citizen initiated

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petition now it's i put this up here
because it's important to realize

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there's a lot of people that i've heard
and read on facebook

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on other social media sites
that believed that they were signing a

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petition to do a study
that's three steps ahead

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they signed a petition as it's read up
here we the undersigned electors and

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legal voters the town of pauling new
york qualified to vote in the next

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election or special election
respectively petition that there be

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submitted to the electors and the legal
voters the town appalling and the

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village appalling
for their approval or rejection at a

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referendum held for that purpose a
proposal to consolidate the town

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appalling with the village appalling
this is not a petition requesting a

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study
it is not a repetition requesting that

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the town of ills work together come up
with shared services and better

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opportunities
it is the petition to put to vote the

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sole question of whether or not the
village and town should consolidate

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if that vote goes up if both the
residents of the village and the town

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decide yay we want to consolidate
then you are required to do a study

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it is not a petition to do a study but
feel good

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you're not the first community to have
the situation

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communities all over new york state when
people start the petition process

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somebody has to go door-to-door
somebody has to share information

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somebody has to request that you sign a
petition and you had to say something to

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somebody and information gets shared
i don't want to i've heard a lot of

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information a lot of comments
that i've read about

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i was
swindled i was bamboozled i was told

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something i don't want to get in that
people signed the petition that says i'm

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going to have a vote so at some point
in the next 60 to 90 days or 100 days

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you'll have a vote to consolidate
both the village and the town

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so on august 10th the village and the
town clerks reviewed and certified the

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petition
because you have a petition you have now

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taken the ability of the town and
village to set their timeline to create

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a plan
and put forth a motion a state mandated

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timetable
the day you serve the petition the

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clerks have 10 days to certify that
petition from that day you have 30 days

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to call a meeting from which you then
have to set the referendum from 60 to 90

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days
that's all the boards have to do by law

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however
many of the boards we work with

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throughout the state feel that's not
really fair to residents to have to make

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a vote for the future of their
government without having any

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information as to what that government
will look like

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what the potential services will be what
the potential service delivery method

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would be and what the potential cost or
savings would be

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so most of our clients are now done
eight nine or ten of these have done

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interim reports that will talk about the
process that gives the public

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information and an opportunity to learn
more before their cast their vote

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but i want to point out that nothing is
required besides those three things

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nothing you have no requirement to give
the public any information

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they can vote with their purse strings
they can vote with their heartstrings

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they can vote on misinformation they can
vote on information

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but that's all that's required
however the town and village can choose

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to create a report work together come up
with a framework what that governance

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could look like and run the numbers so
the public has some semblance of

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understanding what's going to happen to
them because

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while some people have stated that there
will be a second vote

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there is no guarantee that there's going
to be a second vote the only way and

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we're going to show in in two minutes or
three two slides from now what that

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looks like the only way to have that
second vote is a second petition where

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you need 25 you only need a 10
to start the process

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you need 25 percent to vote again so
anybody that says that they're

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guaranteed will be a second vote
is wrong

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there's no guarantee
you are voting

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whenever the vote happens to consolidate
this community

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to get rid of a layer of government in
this community

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and change fundamentally how your
services are delivered

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without any information unless you
choose to do that interim report

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so article 17a
which was hastily put together in 2010

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has a lot of gaps and a lot of missing
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and doesn't actually fully describe this
process

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sets forth two different processes for
changing fundamentally how you provide

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the services
number one is a village dissolution

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and number two is a village in town
consolidation actually it doesn't say

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village in town it's municipal
governments it could be fire districts

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water districts sewer districts that
consolidate in this case it's village in

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town
on a village dissolution if only the

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village petition was submitted
it would be a dissolution and the town

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would have no say
the town residents would have no vote

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the town board will have no formal input
they can participate but most of the

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towns choose to let the village go
through their first process and if the

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vote is to dissolve then step in and
participate going forward

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but you didn't choose to do a village
dissolution you chose to be the first

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community in new york state
to do a village in town consolidation

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so you are trendsetters you will be
the case study you will be the case law

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that will implement or uh defend or
illustrate or change the law as you go

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forward because nobody else in the state
has gone this route

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to change the government
in a dissolution the village basically

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says we're done turns off the light
drops off the keys it's town going

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forward
in a consolidation you're working

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together to frame that
the challenge in a dissolution and also

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in a consolidation is a little part of
the state law that says that a

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government cannot
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the future governance in other words you
can't set forth a plan that a future

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government has to follow so one of the
flaws in the law is in a dissolution

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plan the town is not required to follow
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the same with the consolidation plan you
both adopt it but you're not required to

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actually follow it so that's a quirk in
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in a dissolution the services that the
village have are done

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there's no more village in the
consolidation we have a discussion as to

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whether or not there's going to be a
town government taking over pieces

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whether or not you're going co-terminus
what's going to if you go co-terminus

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what's a village
service what's a town service that's all

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part of a consolidation plan
the documents are very similar in a

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dissolution you have a dissolution plan
that again only the village accepts

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town has no input on and no vote in the
consolidation both people have to vote

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there's also a little issue in
consolidation that if you do vote

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to consolidate and you do the state
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plan
if you cannot come to an agreement

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the village board and the town board if
you cannot agree to that plan and you

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cannot both accept that plan
you can petition to have a mediator help

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do that
because at the end you have to by law

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adopt that plan
and we'll go through the timeline in a

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few minutes
so prior to 2010

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only 39 villages have dissolved that
fundamentally changed how they provide

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those services
since 2010 21

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have dissolved
there have been approximately 50 votes

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60 votes only 21 have chosen to dissolve
underneath that what happened was in

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2010 they enacted the dissolution of
consolidation local government they have

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the article 17a which gave the citizens
an easier route to push for a referendum

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to change government which is the
petition process that you did but it

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also gave a little bit of a carrot
that carrot which we'll go over later in

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the presentation is the citizen
empowerment tax credit which is equal to

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15 of your joint tax levy follow this in
the fiscal year prior to the year you

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dissolve or you consolidate
so what that carrot is the government

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has said that if you
under article 17 a dissolve or

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consolidate
we will give you a grant

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every september
following the fiscal year that you

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consolidated so if you were to
consolidate march 31st that september in

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theory you'd be eligible to receive
those funds

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the challenge you have in that is that
while the law says it's in perpetuity

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it has to be reappropriated every single
year much like your chips monies

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now
i haven't they have always done it since

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2010
this year the state started the fiscal

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year 16 billion dollars in debt
through the changes in the budgets and

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cutbacks they're 14 billion
adding in the coveted expenses they're

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coming out with numbers as high as 60
billion in debt all grants that we work

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on and we've done 240 million dollars in
grants since 2000 they're all on hold

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the consolidating funding application
which would have funded the shared

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services has not come out aid to
localities has been cut by 30 in some

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areas schools are looking at a 20 cut
there's no guarantee that there's going

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to be a release of funds so when we work
with communities we want you to

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understand three parts of it it's what
would your fiscals look like without the

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grant what would it look like with the
grant with 70 and 100 percent

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next
we i mentioned before 39 villages

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through 2009 2010 from 2010 to 2019 uh
there's been 21. there's another vote

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coming up i was in the village of
spencer last night in tioga county if

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you know where that is 15 miles south of
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they were petitioned in january they
were supposed to have their public

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meeting in april in their vote april
30th due to covet it's been pushed back

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to september 15th so on the 15th they're
going to vote yay or nay on dissolution

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they may or may not be number 22. we'll
find out around 9 30 p.m on on the 15th

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so again i want to go over on on this
issue you needed 10 percent of the

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electors to sign the petitions
you need 25 percent for a second

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so right now i have to be brutally clear
you are voting on whatever date the

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village in town set to consolidate which
is effectively

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dissolving the village unless you go
co-terminus

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and again it was a citizen initiated not
from the boards yet the boards were

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already talking about ways to share
services to be more effective and

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efficient
both governments have looked at

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different opportunities and whereby they
can enhance the services that are being

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provided and provide them at the lowest
cost

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the petition process took away that
opportunity for them to continue that

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discussion and refocused it now on
getting rid of a layer of government

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the public information meaning well
we're here today august 20 25th we're

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being live streamed on facebook but if
you choose to do an interim report we

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will come back about two weeks prior to
the election

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and give you the findings and discuss
the findings the fiscal what the

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services could look like what a
potential governance could look like and

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what that means to you in every
dissolution and plan that we've done and

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we've done that in this in the 90 days
we've met with the public and we've

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given them a pamphlet of pros and cons
you know we are unbiased we give you

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both sides and you can make your
decision that best suits you

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if you don't choose to do the plan you
just have to vote if you choose to do

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the plan there'll be a dedicated website
that the public will have access to all

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the documents associated with
consolidation they'll have powerpoint

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presentations they'll have the flow
charts they'll have minutes from the

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meetings they'll have the fiscal budget
they'll have the petitions i'll have the

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timelines everything associated with
them would be there

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i have
i have other websites if you want to go

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i'll give them later on and show you
what that all looks like

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so i have a slide here from on the
government which details out what i said

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before but sometimes it's easier to have
a picture

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than just me talking
so on this you see a flow chart of a

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voter initiated process same for
dissolution as it is for consolidation

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so again day one and this should be
clear to everyone at home hopefully you

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can see it if not
this presentation will be given to both

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the village and the town to be on their
website so you guys can share that as

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well
number one is you had the petition filed

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10 days later the signatures are
verified

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within 30 days of that date so by
september 9th

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the village and the town have to have
their meeting

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to set the referendum

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september 9th the last day you can do it
if you

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if you set that date has to be no less
than 60 and no more than 90 days away

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in law you can't have it prior to 60
days you can't have it more than 90 days

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so if the 60 or 90 days are on a weekend
pick the friday

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you hold your referendum the referendums
do not have to be simultaneous the

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referendum can be done
separate but you have to have them

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within 20 days of each other that's the
law

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if the consolidation vote goes down in
one of the two it's dead

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you can't bring up consolidation again
for four years

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you can still talk about shared services
because they'll talk about better ways

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of providing services to the most
effective and efficient but the

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consolidation effort is dead as a
four-year moratorium

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however i have to let the village
trustees know

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and the town board
if it goes down there can always be a

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petition for dissolution
which starts the whole process over

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again to only the village votes there
i don't want you guys to be misled

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feeling that oh it's all done there's
still an opportunity to do a voter

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initiative process for dissolution
if your vote goes in the affirmative in

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both jurisdictions the village and the
town

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then you have to meet again within 30
days and create a committee and a

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minimum of three three town and three
village uh representatives you have to

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create a plan within 180 days of that
meeting

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you have to accept it but not adopt it
yet because then you have uh to have a

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public hearing within 60 days

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then you have 45 more days
to make amendments

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and then you go forward once you adopt
it this is where that tricky part is

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where the public was told that they have
a second vote

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your plan that you both adopt the
village in town under this consolidation

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process
this plan is subject to permissive

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referendum meaning if the people are not
happy with the plan

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they if they can start petitions in both
jurisdictions and need 25 percent of the

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voters
from the last general election have to

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be able to put it on put the name down
on the petition to vote again 25

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831 people signed
before

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25 percent have to sign for that second
vote

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and timing of that
six months

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from the vote if you vote in november or
december puts you in may june

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is it easy to get that vote and people
are away for summer vacations

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so just keep that in mind it's not
guaranteed i know you've been told it's

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guaranteed it's absolutely wrong it's
not guaranteed

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if you have another petition the process
starts again

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with certifying it calling a meeting and
calling that second referendum now

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there's another quirk in the law
that will eventually end up litigated in

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court
that is what are you voting on

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according to the law that second vote
that permissive referendum is on the

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plan
it is not on

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am i consolidating still it's on the
plan for consolidation so

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it has been practiced that if you vote
that down you're done

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but no one's litigated that yet
because potentially if you litigate it

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you may have to keep going until the
plan is approved

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so that may end up in court someday too
nancy are you already thinking about

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what this actually means
next

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oh i'm back okay so the referendum vote
we don't know yet the town and the

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village have to meet they have to set
their vote and it'll be available for

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you again no less than 16 no longer than
90. it's let me a one question ballot

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shall the incorporated village appalling
and town appalling be consolidated

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notice it doesn't say
should we do a study

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it doesn't say should we apply for a
grant

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it says should we consolidate yes or no
it's important that you in the in the

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audience and you at home recognize that
and understand that because you are

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fundamentally taking a vote right now
with no additional information

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as the future governance
now if you vote for it you have to do a

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study if you vote against it you may do
a study for future opportunities

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but you're not required to do anything
but have that vote

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so what does it mean to you when you go
in to vote

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well some people automatically have
their decision made too many layers of

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government matter what i'm done
some people vote that you know

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they assume or they internalize
their identity with their village or

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their town
some people want services

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some people want to know who's providing
those services so when you go into your

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uh ballot box when you were ready to
make that vote there are three things

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that we want to talk about fundamentally
we want to know does consolidation mean

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sense or sense sense with an s or sense
with a c

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does it make sense to have one
government providing the services or

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does it save me money in that process
you want to understand the economy of

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scale
will the proposed consolidation reduce

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my costs
end of the year i get tax bills will

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this reduce my cost period
number two will it be more efficient

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isn't it more efficient
service delivery method will this

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consolidation make services that gain
that get to me or my fellow residents

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better
will it be faster

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and the last isn't going to be more
effective

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these are questions you can ask it to
yourself as you review all the

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information available to you
will it be cheaper better or faster

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or am i just doing this because
it sounds like a good idea

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so these are things you want to think
about as you vote

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it's what i think about when i go in the
ballot box is how it affects me i'm sure

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that that's what's going to affect you
as well so within that we want to look

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at the services you know every community
is different

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what you value may be different than a
different community throughout the state

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but one of the things you're going to be
looking at internally and collectively

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is what i value as a community for my
cost for cost based and services based

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will the cost go up
but will services go up with that

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additional cost
will the costs go down but do i get

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better services
will the cost stay about the same to me

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but my services go up or go down
these are questions that at some point

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you would like to know before you vote
or

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maybe the town of village don't go that
way and you just have to think about it

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amongst yourselves either which way you
need to think about what that means to

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you as you go to vote

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so again what happens in the vote is no
consolidation will not take effect four

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years
but the village and town can still work

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together on shared services they can
still work with the county because every

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year the county has to prepare a
county-wide shared service initiative

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and at any time you all can say i think
this is a good idea for us to work

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together let's put it in the county plan
and get a grant for that

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so this is not the end of shared
services it's only the beginning of the

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conversations or the continuation the
shared service conversation but

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consolidation would be dead

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so after the referendum i mentioned it
before but i want to put it here again

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this is very important for you to
recognize you saw the flow chart but if

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you vote yes you meet within 30 days and
set your schedule and set your committee

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you approve a consolidation plan 180
days or less you can't come to an

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agreement a mediator will be provided
you have to have at least one public

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hearing
then you go forward to finalize adopt it

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and that's it
unless you have the underlying number

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here 25
and then the petition has to be

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submitted again in 45 days

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so there's been a lot of discussion
about the grant

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you all know about the grant somebody
told you there's a grant for that

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i jokingly said back in the 70s and 80s
when i grew up on long island there was

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a guy
big green

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outfit looked like the joker
from batman but he had little dollar

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signs and he had a big book
and i was on channel 11 where i grew up

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and he said there's a grant for that he
was a crazy guy now he's in jail because

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he says he's a grant for everything it
wasn't proper there is a grant and

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there's not a grant
so pre-covert

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go back at january 1st there was a grant
called the citizen reorganization grant

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that was available to you all to help
you as a government do this work

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you're hit with a petition you were then
automatically eligible for expedited

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assistance up to fifty thousand dollars
and ninety percent

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and within that i'm sorry i keep holding
this down because i don't really use

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microphones
sorry jess i know you're probably back

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there saying get on the microphone
so the craig grant was in the budget

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the problem is there is no application
and no money

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so people that go around saying
that you're eligible for a grant are

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only telling you half the story
you are eligible for a grant there's no

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grant to have
in december of 2019 department of state

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moved their
craig grants which would do the first

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wednesday of every month from an online
portal called the

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grants.grantsgateway.gov
to a paper copy they then spent january

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february and march creating that paper
copy

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and never released it due to covid there
is no grant available for you right now

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so that was misinformation
someday there may be

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but right now every grant in new york
state is on hold

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all programs are under review there's no
application to go for there's no money

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from the state coming to you to do the
study

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this all falls on you
individually as a village in town for

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the interim report if you do one and if
they vote to consolidate the

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consolidation report there is no grant
money someday you may get reimbursed

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when they reopen it this particular
grant program goes back to april 1st of

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the fiscal year so there is a potential
for you to get that money back 90 of it

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but as of right now
there's no application available and no

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money being made available to you all to
do this

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that has to be clear
it is not available at this time i

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highlighted it and i made it red and we
move on to the next one

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so when we talk about an interim
consolidation report what does that

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actually mean
we we offer this to our clients so that

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we can work with you all to come up with
a framework a high level framework of

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what a potential governance could be so
your voters can understand the transfer

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of services and who's going to be
providing those services

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00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:59,760
staff wise position wise budget wise
program wise and what's shifting from

440
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,640
the area formerly known as the village
to the town

441
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:05,440
what will the town be picking up what
does that look like to me and what does

442
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:09,360
that mean to me
that's all in the interim report the

443
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:14,799
interim report will also identify and
summarize the pros and the cons of the

444
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:19,440
consolidation again not from a uh
perspective of bias you know there's not

445
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:23,440
a leverage group or ben saying you must
do this you this is why it's both pros

446
00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:27,120
and cons to be balanced you all have
that information and how to go forward

447
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:32,080
we will then also provide what the
potential fiscal impact would be

448
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:35,760
you know tax dollars what does it mean
per thousand for you

449
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:40,240
if this consolidation goes forward what
will be that bottom line number for you

450
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:44,559
and again it's a not a locked in it's
not a scientific analysis it is based

451
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:47,840
upon the information provided to us
during the process of what the

452
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:51,600
governance could look like
what would that cost be where would the

453
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:55,840
shift be and what would be the cost to
you and then information be shared again

454
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:59,760
via public meetings village meetings
town meetings and on the website so the

455
00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:03,360
public will see it it's transparent it's
not behind closed doors it gives you the

456
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,240
opportunity to have the information you
need to make the decision that's

457
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:09,240
important to you all individually and
collectively

458
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:17,519
part of this is the third button the
third and third dot up there it's the

459
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:21,919
potential post consolidation it's hard
to go into a vote on the unknown

460
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:27,600
if there was a guaranteed second vote it
would be easy

461
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,679
there's not a guarantee it's hard
because you don't know what my post

462
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:36,159
consolidation is going to be
you have no idea what services will be

463
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,120
kept and what will be dropped you don't
know how it's going to be functioning

464
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,519
you don't know if it's going to be
co-terminus you don't know if you're

465
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:45,440
going to be going
the village is gone it's only the town

466
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,720
running the running the show so this is
very important for you but it's also

467
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,120
important for you to understand that in
the plan you have to look at the local

468
00:33:50,159 --> 00:33:55,600
laws
see in the consolidation

469
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:59,440
there's no longer a village unless you
go co-terminus

470
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:03,039
and the laws are only on the books for
up to two years so then the new

471
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:08,879
government has to change those laws and
re-adopt those laws so you have zoning

472
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:13,839
if the village is gone
the town has to now absorb

473
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:18,079
amend their zoning to include the area
formerly known as the village so i'm old

474
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:22,800
enough to know who prince was and he was
the uh formerly known as the artist for

475
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:26,320
me known as prince so when i talk about
consolidation and dissolutions i talk

476
00:34:24,879 --> 00:34:30,879
about the area formerly known as the
village

477
00:34:28,240 --> 00:34:34,560
so your o your village had laws we have
the town then would have to update those

478
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:37,280
laws bring them into the town they have
to do zoning they have to look at a

479
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:41,040
water district they have to do a sewer
district in this process you look at do

480
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:45,280
i need a lighting district do i need a
sidewalk district how am i going to run

481
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:50,079
this what's going to happen to my debts
you know there's a fallacy that once you

482
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:53,919
consolidate or dissolve all your debts
go away and it's absorbed by the town

483
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,480
no
every ounce of the debt

484
00:34:56,000 --> 00:35:04,240
that you have as a village
you still pay for

485
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:08,160
it has not spread across the town
so if you have a water district debt or

486
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:12,720
a bond or a
bond on your building you're still

487
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:16,240
paying for that on top of whatever the
new town tax is going to be and it's

488
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:21,359
important if you know what that means to
you in your analysis what's also

489
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:24,880
important to know is what does the cetc
tax credit mean to you and i mentioned

490
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:28,400
before
it's 15 percent of the

491
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:32,560
fiscal
it's a tax levy the fiscal year prior to

492
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:38,160
dissolution or consolidation so we use
2018 numbers because i don't have 19 yet

493
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:42,320
and that means right now you're eligible
doesn't mean you're going to get it but

494
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:44,400
you're eligible for approximately 775
000

495
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:47,839
a year
forever in perpetuity if it's

496
00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:51,680
reappropriated so in the study we're
going to give you three numbers

497
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:56,000
what will the fiscal impact be to you
with no cetc

498
00:35:53,920 --> 00:36:00,000
what will it be with 70 and what will it
be with 100

499
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:05,440
the reasoning is the law says
by law seventy percent of that tax

500
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:10,240
credit has to go to lower your tax levy
so whatever the new governance is

501
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:16,000
and you have a property tax levy in your
budget you lop off

502
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:18,000
a minimum of 70 percent of that cetc tax
credit

503
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:21,280
every year
now you can go up to 100 percent so we

504
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,839
give you that number as well in the
analysis

505
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:33,520
the difference is 30 so the 70 is
required the extra 30 can be used for

506
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:38,560
other governmental functions capital
costs and improvements or it can all go

507
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:42,560
to taxes you know tax relief
communities have done both sometimes

508
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:45,920
they start with 100
and they move it back based upon capital

509
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:53,200
improvements that are necessary or
things like that but you're required 70

510
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:58,400
again based upon your budget 775 000
and from 2018 numbers

511
00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:05,200
and that incentive
is done to promulgate some of this

512
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,200
citizen initiated processes

513
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:10,800
in the event the vote passes now you're
required to do

514
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:15,040
a full consolidation you're required to
look at all of your assets and figure

515
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:18,160
out and develop a plan for disposing of
those assets

516
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:21,920
some communities were down at village
mastic beach we helped them

517
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:27,119
it was the largest village in new york
state to dissolve over 15 000 people

518
00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:30,800
they were only a village for six years
they created a village they dissolved

519
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:34,400
the village before your kid goes to
kindergarten

520
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:37,680
and they did that because they didn't
feel is actually representing them and

521
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:41,520
it wasn't fiscally responsible you know
in new york state

522
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:45,119
all you need is a petition
to create a village

523
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,680
then you don't need a plan to create a
village

524
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:51,280
you don't need to go to the voters and
say this is what the budget would be

525
00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:55,040
just need a petition and a vote but to
dissolve or consolidate you have to have

526
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:59,040
this full consolidation plan how will i
get rid of my assets what are my debts

527
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:02,560
what are my short-term debts one of my
long-term debts

528
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:06,720
now when i say long-term debts it's not
just your bonds it's what are my health

529
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:11,280
care costs what are my union costs uh
are there any outstanding liabilities

530
00:38:08,720 --> 00:38:15,359
like lawsuits does somebody fall on
village property

531
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:18,800
break their back and am i in litigation
we have to know all that to figure out

532
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:23,359
what the potential cost would be because
all the costs that remain from the area

533
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:28,320
formerly known as the village have to
get paid back by you all

534
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:32,640
so there may be an opportunity for the
village to have a fire sale so to speak

535
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:36,240
and get rid of all their assets to help
pay down that debt

536
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:38,960
that's all part of uh the consolidation
plan

537
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:42,079
and we discuss in the consolidation plan
also the options and quality and level

538
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:46,960
of services
but remember you cannot bind a future

539
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:52,079
government so whatever's in that plan
is not required to be followed after the

540
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,960
village is no longer a village
whether you're

541
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,800
now remember i don't know yet because
you haven't met yet you haven't decided

542
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:03,040
if this is going to be a consolidation
or co-terminus you haven't decided in

543
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:07,119
that plan whether there'll still be a
village or not

544
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:12,800
so you have to keep that in mind as you
go to vote a lot of questions and not a

545
00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:12,800
lot of answers yet before you vote

546
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:19,280
uh in the consolidation plan we have to
have an estimate of the cost for

547
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:23,839
consolidation because there is a cost
that taxpayers have to bear

548
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:27,440
you have to have the legal cost for
closing out the books the accounting

549
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,720
costs the audit costs the cost for
updating the zoning to include the

550
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,079
village the cost for the creation of
each of the districts

551
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:38,480
all that costs money for
attorneys and consultants and fees

552
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:42,640
whether you use an auction house that's
a cost we have to give you an estimate

553
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:48,480
of the cost for consolidation
there is a grant if they fund it

554
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,760
each year you were eligible last year
and the year before for up to fifty

555
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:56,320
thousand dollars each for the village
and town to do that implementation but

556
00:39:54,079 --> 00:40:00,640
again there's no application right now
for that there's no money for that so i

557
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:04,400
can't say that you're guaranteed that or
you have available for that

558
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:08,560
so keep that in mind but should the
money become available again

559
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:12,160
you can each get 50 000 to offset some
of those costs for the legal fees and

560
00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:12,160
the like

561
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,680
so what happens what are the next steps
besides uh

562
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,640
getting air conditioning in your
buildings

563
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:24,800
i think the town hall was hot last time
i was here as well

564
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:28,960
so you have to by september 9th the
villains in town have to set the vote

565
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:32,640
you have to have a referendum
that's it

566
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:35,599
if you choose to do a plan
well somebody will work with you whether

567
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:40,079
it's us or somebody else will work with
you all to develop a plan you have to

568
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:44,560
have that vote does not have to be
simultaneous but it has to be within 20

569
00:40:42,319 --> 00:40:49,280
days of each other that's all you have
to do for the next steps

570
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:53,920
so i want to i do want to before i turn
over to questions and answers um

571
00:40:52,720 --> 00:40:57,440
i'm going to ask you what i want to just
ask you all to be very civil with each

572
00:40:55,359 --> 00:41:02,640
other because
i don't want to make a play on words for

573
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:08,560
the group that started the process
but you are one appalling community

574
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:13,200
we've done so many of these
community issues so many of these

575
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:18,319
become the hath dylans and the mccoys
the village versus the town

576
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:21,359
you were a community before the petition
you're going to be a community post

577
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:24,800
referendum
either which way you vote

578
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:29,119
be careful
not to get into

579
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:32,720
battles with each other on social media
not to attack each other

580
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:36,400
and not to be
at each other's throats when it comes to

581
00:41:34,319 --> 00:41:40,960
this dissolution or consolidation or
co-terminus or vote it's a very personal

582
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,800
issue to many village residents and town
residents it's a personal issue to those

583
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,440
who sign the petition but it's
challenging

584
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,319
it's gut-wrenching
it's

585
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,440
game-changing because you have an
opportunity

586
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:56,880
at the ballot box to fundamentally
change the governance that doesn't

587
00:41:55,359 --> 00:42:01,520
happen every day
but it's very easy to go down the drain

588
00:41:59,359 --> 00:42:06,720
and attack each other let's try to work
together and get through this process

589
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:10,079
whether we like it or not there's a vote
we have to work together to figure out

590
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:13,839
what's best for our community or your
community and together we can do that

591
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:17,200
but you're fighting each other every
step of the way you're not going to be

592
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,920
able to come up with the best plan of
action

593
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:23,359
and you're locked into a time frame that
requires it

594
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:28,240
so with that i want to turn over to
questions that we may have for those of

595
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:31,200
you that are on facebook live i'm first
going to go to the meeting room we have

596
00:42:30,319 --> 00:42:34,640
here
after the meeting room is done we're

597
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:37,920
going to ask whoever is monitoring the
facebook live to see if there are

598
00:42:36,079 --> 00:42:41,839
additional questions and then ask them
out loud i'll do my best to summarize

599
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:46,720
the question and then give an answer
back

600
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:46,720
sir

601
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,400
i think you have to tell up the
stenographer and the clerk your name

602
00:42:54,319 --> 00:43:01,200
live in the village
um thank you ben that was really great i

603
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,359
think you're going to have to steve can
you bring it up yes i can i'm using

604
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:10,000
let me use the first part of my three
minutes to just say that um thank you

605
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:15,200
for your admonition about us being civil
with each other but i have to note that

606
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:19,280
um as i look around this room one thing
as i look around this room one thing

607
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:22,400
that i've noticed is that um
that

608
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:27,839
that the civility of the community has
come through through this process there

609
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:33,359
really has been very little anger
i think that a lot of the

610
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:37,680
invective and and the ugliness has come
from very very limited source and i

611
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:41,040
think this is a community that
is

612
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:45,359
well able to manage itself but thank you
for that the question i'd like to ask

613
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:49,359
you is two-part question one part is for
you and the other part is for um

614
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:52,880
supervisor schmidt mayor lifflin part
one of the question is you detailed how

615
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:57,040
70
of the

616
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:01,520
cetc could be used for
um residents and as we know that will

617
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:05,839
disproportionately impact the residents
who have a larger property those who are

618
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:09,680
paying you know who have a higher
property value and so that's something

619
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:14,720
that should be taken into consideration
but what i would like to do if you can

620
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:18,079
is for you to outline for the people on
the audience

621
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:22,960
how the creation of special districts
might offset any potential savings from

622
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:27,040
the cetc now i looked at for instance
forestville and saw that they had

623
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:32,079
special districts for lighting and
special dixie for water and ultimately

624
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:37,760
the alleged 15 percent which turned into
10 because of the 30 percent 10.5 to be

625
00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:41,760
exact ended up being pushed down to only
about three percent because of the

626
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:46,480
creation of special districts so if you
could just detail how special districts

627
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:52,480
are placed on the village or the area
formerly known as the village and how

628
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:55,920
that mitigates this um potential tax
credit

629
00:44:53,440 --> 00:45:00,319
that would be great um and and what the
usual impacts are the second part of my

630
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:04,240
question is just we all know as a
community that there are in fact shared

631
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:09,119
services so i would really just like to
ask um the town supervisor and the mayor

632
00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:14,640
to detail just a few of the shared
services that you do in cooperation the

633
00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:18,240
way you spend money on sand or gas and
uh and and then perhaps you know you

634
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:21,920
could all say how committed you are to
doing more of this

635
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:25,359
with or without this referendum thanks
all right steve so it's sort of a

636
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:30,000
complicated question you have there on
the cetc versus special districts

637
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:35,040
because they're not they're not the same
right now you have a budget for example

638
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:38,960
the town tax levy in 2018 is about 3.9
million dollars

639
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:43,920
so in developing your consolidation plan
and doing the cost analysis and shifting

640
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:48,240
the services to the new government and
accounting for the special districts

641
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:52,640
that will be created for the village
there will be a new budget

642
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:56,319
the budget town wide let's just say it's
a i'm making up a number because it's

643
00:45:54,319 --> 00:46:01,599
easy math
five million dollars

644
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:06,000
not a real number just a number
so what happens if your budget's five

645
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:10,000
million dollars seventy percent of the
funds that you get for the cetc tax

646
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:13,680
credit lower that tax levy from five
million to four point whatever seventy

647
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:17,599
percent is
but in that budget you already would

648
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:21,200
have calculated and accounted for the
special districts so what the special

649
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:25,280
districts are is right now you do not
have a water district in the village

650
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:29,839
your municipal boundary is a water
district this is more district outside

651
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:34,079
sewer districts are outside towns can
have districts villages can't they have

652
00:46:31,599 --> 00:46:37,839
service areas but not a district so when
the village goes away you and the town

653
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:41,119
will then have to create a special
district for the water in the area

654
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,960
formerly known as the village or
whatever the new service area is

655
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:50,880
whether that goes to vote
is subject to opinion the comptroller's

656
00:46:47,359 --> 00:46:55,599
office has said that if you put the uh
if you put the district formation in the

657
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:58,880
plan you don't have to vote again unless
you're changing that district boundary

658
00:46:57,599 --> 00:47:01,839
but there'll be a water district in a
sewer district

659
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:06,480
as far as a lighting district and a
sidewalk district that's up to the group

660
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:10,640
creating the plan
they can say there's going to be one and

661
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:14,160
there may not be one long term
they can say there won't be one and

662
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:18,720
there may be one long term
there has to be one for the survey

663
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:22,800
infrastructure and the debt already for
the water and sewer but when you come up

664
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:27,040
with your analysis
and you look at the shift share and the

665
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:29,920
service movement from the village line
to the town line or whatever the new

666
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:33,359
governance may be
there's a budget

667
00:47:31,359 --> 00:47:38,559
and that budget end result for the town
tax levy is what will be reduced by the

668
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:41,839
70 percent and 100 in the analysis
you'll get three numbers

669
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:46,160
now doesn't always mean they're going to
save money

670
00:47:43,119 --> 00:47:52,880
in every single dissolution plan except
for the village of spencer last night

671
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:56,800
village taxes go down town taxes go up
except for

672
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:59,920
the cetc tax credit which is meant to
reduce that increase for town to make it

673
00:47:58,720 --> 00:48:04,880
equal
in the village of spencer if they

674
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:08,640
dissolved the village residents pay more
and the talent taxes go down it's an

675
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,839
anomaly based upon the services that are
provided the village level and town

676
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:16,319
level but that gets discussed in your
report

677
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:19,880
supervisor may you want to hit the
shared service concepts

678
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:29,520
and we do share a lot of services
already

679
00:48:28,559 --> 00:48:32,720
and i
like it

680
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:36,480
we get things done
i feel that we work very well together

681
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:40,240
and
my opinion would be

682
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:45,359
not to
obser this

683
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:45,359
chair here

684
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:51,119
thank you mayor
so

685
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:54,880
we sorry about that a little louder than
uh ben was

686
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:58,880
the town and village share a lot of
services already like the mayor said um

687
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:03,280
some of those things obviously we share
an assessor position

688
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:07,280
uh which represents a town and village
uh our highway departments work together

689
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:13,359
constantly which is probably one of our
our highest spending departments uh with

690
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:17,040
fuel fuel consumption and purchase sand
and salt uh loading out that sand

691
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:20,559
assault during storms
and uh

692
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:24,720
our cdbg grants every year on sidewalk
projects and whatnot as well there's a

693
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:29,760
there's actually a long a much longer
list of shared services

694
00:49:26,559 --> 00:49:34,400
than than what has been alluded to and
i'm happy to quickly announce and and

695
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:38,720
invite up our county legislator ed
houser and um legislative housing if you

696
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,760
don't mind coming up just quickly to
detail some of the county services we

697
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:44,559
work on as well
because it's not just town and village

698
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:48,319
services it's town village and county
services and it's all of your elected

699
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:51,040
leaders working on a daily basis so ed
thank you for being here and if you

700
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:56,559
don't mind us running through a quick
couple of things for us that'd be great

701
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,559
thank you supervisor

702
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:01,680
can you hear me okay
um

703
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:07,040
first of all i'd like to make a
statement um

704
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:12,960
i've been uh an elected official in
pauling for since 1978

705
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:17,359
and i've had an opportunity
i've had an opportunity to watch

706
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:22,480
the workings of the village and the town
from the inside and

707
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:29,200
it's been both the village and the town
have evolved into real jewels they're

708
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:33,280
unique and superb places that have
character into themselves

709
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:38,000
and i think much of the reason for that
is that they have separate boards

710
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:42,240
who have separate goals and the village
board especially is all members of the

711
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:46,319
of the village all residents of the
village and they've contributed so much

712
00:50:44,559 --> 00:50:51,760
to making the village of pauling such a
unique place that people come here

713
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:55,920
just to be in that place so i hope we
proceed with this process very carefully

714
00:50:53,839 --> 00:50:59,440
because we don't want to lose the value
that we have

715
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:03,920
as far as shared surfaces we
the supervisor and the mayor and i sat

716
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:07,599
down and we came up with a list of about
30 items that are shared between the

717
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:10,800
village and the town but also at the
county level

718
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:14,400
the county uh
has

719
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:18,640
the county executive has a shared
services initiative which was mentioned

720
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:22,880
before it's part of a state mandate
and the both the

721
00:51:20,319 --> 00:51:28,319
supervisor and the mayor are members of
that they meet regularly to discuss uh

722
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:32,640
ways that uh services could be shared
and and expenses can be reduced

723
00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:36,480
um and you know i think one of the
valuable things about that process is

724
00:51:34,720 --> 00:51:40,079
that they hear what other villages and
towns and

725
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:43,440
are doing and they get ideas from that
and they've certainly implemented them

726
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:48,480
um
in 1978 there was a lot of

727
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:52,640
animosity between the village and the
town

728
00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:56,640
and that's all gone away uh i i you know
i'm just so pleased with how well the

729
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:59,920
town and the village work together
and um

730
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:03,119
you know i'm very very happy to be
representing both of them

731
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,839
thank you

732
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:14,839
other questions for the audience sir in
the striped shirt in the back

733
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:29,280
hi there mike cerny i'm live in the
village um

734
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:33,200
i guess the first thing observation
we're talking about these districts

735
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:38,960
lighting water
we already have a sewer district

736
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:43,599
garbage probably it just seems that the
village is handling all this now and we

737
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:47,839
go ahead and spend the money to create
these districts

738
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:51,440
and have separate entities doing this
it just kind of doesn't make sense if

739
00:52:49,599 --> 00:52:56,160
you think about it where
we have a single uh village that's

740
00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:59,440
handling this now and then we would end
up

741
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:03,200
creating multiple districts to handle
all these services that are in the

742
00:53:01,119 --> 00:53:06,400
village to me that sounds like a lot of
money

743
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:10,400
it sounds like
going the opposite way from

744
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:13,440
consolidation it actually sounds like
more

745
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:16,240
separation and
it doesn't

746
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:22,559
seem to make sense that's just my
observation i wanted to get back to um

747
00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:24,960
the steps and the four-year moratorium
that you talked about

748
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,960
uh
this has been initiated through

749
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:32,000
referendum vote
petition

750
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,440
and
the other way that this can happen is

751
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:40,960
through
board initiated correct correct

752
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:46,800
does that moratorium
from the referendum initiative apply to

753
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:50,720
board initiate initiated consolidation
um

754
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:53,520
after after the fact
that's a good question i've never been

755
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:58,640
asked that question before so i don't
have an answer on that i believe the law

756
00:53:56,400 --> 00:54:02,640
says it cannot be brought back up again
which means in my opinion

757
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:06,079
even if it's a board initiated you still
have the same process you cannot bring

758
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:09,760
up consolidation it can bring up
dissolution which can't bring up

759
00:54:07,839 --> 00:54:12,720
consolidation but i'll verify that with
department of state and get back to you

760
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:17,040
yeah i'd appreciate it because my read
of it was that you could still do board

761
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:21,359
initiated after after that it was a
referendum could not be um but you still

762
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:25,200
need a referendum
you see if you have you can do a study

763
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,800
the board the boards can still do a
consolidation study afterward but it

764
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:33,200
still goes to vote and you can't bring
it back up for referendum but again i'll

765
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:37,839
check on that the law is very uh not
clear it is not i i agree it's not very

766
00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:42,799
clear on that so i'd appreciate knowing
that um talking about the interim

767
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:46,160
you're in talking about doing an interim
study yes you know obviously what's

768
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:51,599
happening here is
let's face it we have a gun to our head

769
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:56,160
we've got a we've got a vote it's not a
board-initiated

770
00:54:53,440 --> 00:55:02,640
situation where we could take a
wait for a grant get a grant and have a

771
00:54:58,799 --> 00:55:08,240
nice study to make a full determination
on all issues costs what's good what's

772
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:11,839
bad pros cons we're being forced within
a very short period of time to make a

773
00:55:10,799 --> 00:55:16,000
decision
and

774
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:21,359
i would guess that the type of
interim study

775
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:27,119
that you're talking about is um far less
than a study that would be done in a

776
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:30,400
more in a longer time frame correct and
what what were what are some of the

777
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:34,720
things that we because i i could tell
you were talking about you you have to

778
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:40,079
limit your analysis to particular
information well in an interim report

779
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:44,720
what we've done before uh and it's all
been dissolution

780
00:55:41,440 --> 00:55:44,720
well an interim report

781
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:50,319
okay in an interim report what we
haven't done is looked at all the

782
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:54,559
services that are provided at the
village level and those at the town and

783
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:57,119
worked with the committee to figure out
what the new service delivery model

784
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:01,040
would be
so from your clerk to your dpw to your

785
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:04,160
water to your sewer to your recreation
where would that move

786
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:07,680
in the budget line and the service
delivery at a high level what would that

787
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:10,640
cost
and what would be the potential cost

788
00:56:09,119 --> 00:56:14,799
savings or or
actual cost to the taxpayers and you

789
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:20,559
were right before you know it's a little
bit ironic in that the 2010 legislation

790
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:25,359
to allow for
easier referendums on dissolution and

791
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:29,119
consolidation of a government in essence
creates more governments

792
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:32,880
because the governor has said that we
have 10 000 layers of government in the

793
00:56:31,119 --> 00:56:37,440
state and that accounts for every
lighting district and water district and

794
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:41,680
sewer district an erosion district so if
you get rid of the village and you

795
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:47,440
create four more districts
you're a positive three governments

796
00:56:44,559 --> 00:56:49,680
because they're three taxing entities
so

797
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:57,920
yeah turn on
uh dave daniels i've been the village

798
00:56:54,880 --> 00:57:01,040
attorney for a number of years and um
one of the things you were mentioning

799
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:04,799
the study and some echoing some of the
comments that were made

800
00:57:03,119 --> 00:57:09,680
i think the the difficult thing about a
study like this is the inability even of

801
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:13,040
the best in your presentation was was
very good uh excellent

802
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,359
but
the intangibles

803
00:57:14,559 --> 00:57:19,040
and
you know one of them they're both both

804
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:22,720
from the standpoint of cost but also
lost benefit

805
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:26,000
from a cost perspective
having been involved in a number of

806
00:57:24,240 --> 00:57:29,760
village projects including various
districts and the like i think it's

807
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:33,680
almost impossible
to accurately gauge for some of your

808
00:57:31,839 --> 00:57:38,799
position how much
work how much consultant time how much

809
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:41,839
legal time how much trustee time
is going to go into each of those

810
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,280
projects
one of the things i've observed over the

811
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:48,880
years is the
the amount of time and effort that i'm

812
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:54,480
more familiar with the village i'm sure
it's the same at the town the hundreds

813
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:58,319
of hours that these folks spend taking
care of all these issues

814
00:57:56,400 --> 00:58:01,839
and you know that's going to be that's
going to be lost if you have a single a

815
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:04,799
single entity the folks in the village
are not going to be doing the same

816
00:58:03,359 --> 00:58:08,720
things
and so you're going to have that loss

817
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:12,319
lost benefit
and any one of these things one of the

818
00:58:10,079 --> 00:58:15,839
things you mentioned about the mediator
the one thing my understanding of the

819
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:18,559
statute is that if that doesn't go
through

820
00:58:16,799 --> 00:58:21,839
there's a lawsuit
and that's

821
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:25,839
having reviewed the statute we're the
beta tester for new york state

822
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,200
it's going to be
i think a honey pot of potential

823
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,960
lawsuits and i would hope that that
wouldn't happen but

824
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:36,400
given the lack of grant funding
and the the ambiguity and the statute

825
00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:41,440
about who can vote where
and a myriad other issues that nancy and

826
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:44,880
i have talked about it's um
you know it's going to be a lot more

827
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,760
than people think and it's really you
know i think it's it's unfortunate that

828
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:51,599
it's
putting us in a position where we have

829
00:58:49,599 --> 00:58:55,920
to go through this process and i just
hope that you know you and can educate

830
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:58,240
folks and people can understand what's
at risk

831
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:01,599
thank you dave

832
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:10,799
so dave is correct you only have 90 days
so the level of analysis and interim

833
00:59:07,839 --> 00:59:14,960
report is a high level analysis
uh the lack would you mention the the

834
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:20,000
cost benefit
that goes into things that a consultant

835
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:25,839
cannot understand
no consultant can put a monetary value

836
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:31,040
of having local representation
no consultant can put a number on how

837
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:36,160
many hours every villains trustee and
building staff person dedicates to

838
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:40,000
representing you all on a daily basis
you have 90 days and hopefully there's

839
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:45,920
some information provided for you to
make some decisions on so you mentioned

840
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:48,559
i was glad you mentioned
the law is very

841
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:52,000
vague
you will be the test case i mentioned it

842
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:55,599
earlier there has not been a village
town

843
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:58,960
referendum you will be the test case you
mentioned three specific

844
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:03,839
topics in your
in your in your discussion

845
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:06,640
that have not yet been determined by the
state

846
01:00:04,799 --> 01:00:10,880
where you vote
when you vote

847
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,880
how you vote

848
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:19,920
you only have to have a vote
the town and village have to decide when

849
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:24,160
that vote's going to occur there's a lot
of propaganda

850
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:30,160
a lot of information
yelling at requesting for pushing for a

851
01:00:27,680 --> 01:00:34,160
november third saying that you can do it
anyway

852
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:38,799
if this petition was done two weeks
earlier a lot of that issue would have

853
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:43,119
been taken away
two weeks earlier it would have been on

854
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:46,799
the county official ballot it would have
been on the early voting ballot it would

855
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,200
have been on this the county absentee
ballot

856
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:53,839
it would have been done by the county
board of elections with county

857
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:57,680
inspectors with county poll with public
poll

858
01:00:54,839 --> 01:01:01,680
watchers it wasn't done that way
maybe it was done purposely maybe not

859
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:06,160
but now you have to have an additional
cost of an election potentially see

860
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:11,359
according the board of elections they
cannot put it on their ballots it's done

861
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:16,880
you miss that boat you can have an
election on november 3rd but there are

862
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:20,079
so many logistical challenges to that
that it may not be the best choice for

863
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:23,440
the residents
one is early voting

864
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:26,559
what do you do with early voting people
said online hey this is the most

865
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:30,480
convenient time possible
everyone's coming out to vote well

866
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:34,480
not everyone's coming out to vote that
day some are absentee balloting if

867
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:39,359
you're absentee balloting now you have
to get two absentee ballots

868
01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:43,119
one for the village or the town
and one for the normal election that

869
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:47,359
you're having on november third
and if you're early voting not absentee

870
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:50,960
voting you've got to show back up again
for the actual vote

871
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:54,160
so it's not a oh you're going to save
time oh it's going to save cove it

872
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:58,400
always going to save everything you're
shortening the time that the town and

873
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:02,079
village have to provide information if
you do it that day

874
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:06,079
and you're not hitting the early voting
or the absentee issue the third issue is

875
01:02:04,799 --> 01:02:09,599
you have to have if you do it on
november 3rd you have to have a separate

876
01:02:08,319 --> 01:02:12,720
ballot
which means you have to coordinate with

877
01:02:11,359 --> 01:02:16,240
the dutchess county board of elections
to see if they can even do it and if

878
01:02:14,559 --> 01:02:20,559
they can train their inspectors who are
already going to be overburdened

879
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:24,720
with covet and people coming in keeping
socially distance using different pens

880
01:02:22,400 --> 01:02:28,160
identifying who they are with masks on
and their signature you're going to ask

881
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:34,559
the inspectors to also decide if you're
a village voter or a town voter and give

882
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:38,480
a second ballot to put in a separate box
village and town you have the

883
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:42,880
opportunity to have the vote and make it
easier or harder but that's a logistical

884
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:46,799
issue the second issue have is coveted
where do you vote will there be enough

885
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:50,240
room to separate the ballots and go
twice so there are a lot of issues with

886
01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:55,359
that
can you fundamentally do it sure are

887
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:58,880
there logistical issues sure
our towns and villages have done these

888
01:02:57,039 --> 01:03:02,079
and had separate days and has worked
very effectively

889
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:06,400
so that's up to you all how you move
that then you mentioned the who will

890
01:03:04,319 --> 01:03:10,240
vote
well the law is not clear and i'm not an

891
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,640
attorney we have two very knowledgeable
attorneys both for the village and the

892
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:17,280
town
and they went to law school not me

893
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:22,000
and they've read the law but agree with
me that it's ambiguous it's vague it's

894
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:26,319
missing gaps as to can the village
residents vote twice

895
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:30,640
nikom
council of mayors an association that

896
01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:33,839
represents villagers says yes
you can vote twice because you're a

897
01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:38,000
village resident and town resident
however department of state who runs the

898
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:42,880
dissolution consolidation has offered
and proffered a legal opinion saying no

899
01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:47,119
it's against the u.s constitution it's
one person one vote and while you can

900
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:51,760
vote as a village resident in a town
issue you cannot vote twice and you

901
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:55,599
cannot have a village dictate what the
town's going to be so you get one vote

902
01:03:54,000 --> 01:04:00,400
that's the department of state
regulation or sorry public their opinion

903
01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:05,520
that came out it came out in 2018 and it
was verified in 2020

904
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:09,039
council has spoken to their council and
the department of state has said you get

905
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:13,039
one vote as a village resident which
also lends itself to the challenge at

906
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:17,280
the ballot box if you do it november 3rd
versus another day because you have to

907
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:20,720
verify they haven't voted twice
so you mentioned litigation

908
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:26,799
there may be litigation i'm sure
somebody is going to sue on voter

909
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:29,839
suppression or on double votes
some there's always going to be you will

910
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:34,640
be the case study
so my best advice is to take as much

911
01:04:32,559 --> 01:04:37,440
time as you can to properly vet the
process

912
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:41,359
carefully pick the date of your
referendum giving people the most

913
01:04:38,960 --> 01:04:45,039
opportunity to vote carefully
select that opportunity to provide them

914
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:49,440
as much information as you can
because eventually there may be

915
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:54,480
a lawsuit on it because you are the test
there has not been a village town

916
01:04:51,839 --> 01:04:58,079
and it will incur cost
anybody that says that it's not going to

917
01:04:55,920 --> 01:05:00,240
incur cost is trying to sell things to
you

918
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:06,160
you know uh can i just finish off um
i so

919
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:10,000
in terms of what you just said that's
great i mean thank you so much for i was

920
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:14,319
going to say the word clarifying but
it's not clarifying because it becomes

921
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:19,520
very murky but all of these issues all
of these issues with a gun to our head

922
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:23,440
having to put together an interim uh
some type of interim study to give some

923
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:26,960
level of information
i mean i i want to throw out to folks

924
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:31,119
here that a vote
i think a vote for no

925
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:35,760
is a vote for a study
that's right a vote for no is a vote for

926
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:40,480
a study and the reason for that is that
it will give the town and the village

927
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:44,160
the chance to apply for the grant that
ben's talking about they can go out and

928
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:49,440
get that grant
they can do it in a more uh in a time

929
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:54,079
frame that doesn't sap
our public officials all of their time

930
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:58,640
i mean they're going to be working on
this endlessly if we go through with

931
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:01,599
this over the next 18 months to two
years

932
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:05,839
you know and there's a lot to be done
so i'm telling you the way i see it is

933
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:10,079
that a vote for no
is a vote for a study it's a vote for a

934
01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:14,400
reasoned analysis
of whether this is the right thing to do

935
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:20,000
for a village that's existed for i don't
know 100 years

936
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:24,079
not doing it with a gun to our head
making a decision without the right

937
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:27,680
information within
90 days

938
01:06:25,839 --> 01:06:30,160
thank you thank you and i know that
there were some questions they were

939
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:34,000
given to us prior and those were two
questions that came up dave so thank you

940
01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:36,640
sir you had a question and then we'll go
to the former mayor

941
01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:47,359
yeah earl slocum of the village trustee
and i'm just sorry that we're going

942
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:51,119
through this exercise again because um
back

943
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:55,440
in the early 90s when i was mayor we
went through this then

944
01:06:52,799 --> 01:06:59,039
and it didn't work the people voted
against it they didn't want to they

945
01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:02,480
didn't want to consolidate so i'm just
sorry that we're going through this

946
01:07:00,240 --> 01:07:07,280
whole exercise all again and spending
all this money when

947
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:10,240
back then they decided that it wasn't a
good thing

948
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:14,160
thank you well thank you earl you know
sometimes in the darkest at times the

949
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:17,839
light shines through and you have an
opportunity through this process to work

950
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:21,760
together for enhanced sharing of
services and governance going forward

951
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,760
unfortunately the law allows it to
happen every four years so if it goes

952
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:29,760
down it may happen again every four
years so let's do what we can to provide

953
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:33,359
as much light and information as we can
to residents and see how we can continue

954
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:37,680
to provide better services with the
highest level of services that we can

955
01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,680
sir

956
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,960
so we have one just we have two foreign
mayors and a mayor we have more than

957
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:47,440
winners
how many of you were all mayors

958
01:07:45,839 --> 01:07:52,160
a few in here
uh glenn kerry and um i appreciate your

959
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:55,599
comments on the election i'd actually
like to expand on them a little bit i

960
01:07:54,079 --> 01:07:59,680
did some research
uh these past days about the election

961
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:04,000
because
and and i know

962
01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:08,559
you talked about um trying to keep
things on a positive level and i'm going

963
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:12,000
to do that to the extent that i can
but i'm also going to acknowledge that

964
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:15,359
there's been a misinformation campaign
that's been taking place

965
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:19,920
that's put us in the position that we're
in right now

966
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:24,480
we've had a small group of people
who in the cloak of darkness went around

967
01:08:21,679 --> 01:08:28,159
and collected signatures quietly
and quickly

968
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:31,679
in order to push this initiative forward
and they've misinformed people they

969
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:34,640
misinformed people when they asked them
for their signatures

970
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:38,880
those people came forward that gave
signatures i had a number of people call

971
01:08:36,480 --> 01:08:42,799
me and say glenn how can i remove my
signature that wasn't what i was told i

972
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:45,520
said unfortunately once it's been filed
you can't

973
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:49,120
so
it's proven that they've been given

974
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:52,480
misinformation
and then yesterday

975
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:57,440
this group called one polling also
called pauline tax cut

976
01:08:55,440 --> 01:09:01,440
under the the leadership of kevin
gardner who doesn't identify himself on

977
01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:05,679
either of these sites
um but has also created multiple

978
01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:11,440
personas online
lin tufail mark rossi

979
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:16,560
uh pong libertarians duchess tax cut
numerous other personas he's created and

980
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:22,159
he creates communications between these
personas to try and lead

981
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:27,600
public um impressions and and and
influence people's thought processes

982
01:09:24,719 --> 01:09:30,960
which frankly is a little demented
um

983
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:35,440
you know why can't you own what you own
you stand up for it and you put your

984
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:38,960
name behind it but he can't do that
and

985
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:43,440
he'll create conversations and then when
he doesn't like what's said when the

986
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:45,839
facts are out there he'll delete them
i mean

987
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:50,239
that's crazy
this is what's going on right now and

988
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:53,920
yesterday there's this one pauling
letter that went to the town and village

989
01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:58,880
boards
that talks about

990
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:03,120
demanding that we ask our village and
town board to have the vote on november

991
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:06,000
3rd and he cites it's the most
convenient day

992
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,159
well
it would have been the most convenient

993
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:12,960
day
if this group had their act together and

994
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:17,440
filed two weeks prior to when they filed
with the village and the town clerk

995
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:20,960
because august 3rd was the deadline so
they would add to gone back two weeks

996
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:24,239
prior to that august 3rd deadline to
give the clerks enough time to certify

997
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,239
the results
then

998
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:30,640
it would have been on the general
election ballot there'd be no question

999
01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:34,320
about it we wouldn't be incurring any
additional cost

1000
01:10:32,159 --> 01:10:38,719
but as you pointed out what they've
created right now is a situation where

1001
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:44,320
the county has made it clear
the county is not going to allow this

1002
01:10:41,679 --> 01:10:49,120
ballot to be given out at the general
election it's not happening

1003
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:51,920
both the democrat and the election uh
republican election commissioner said no

1004
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:55,520
to it
so yeah we can have a vote on november

1005
01:10:54,719 --> 01:11:00,320
3rd
but what that means

1006
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:04,560
is the town clerk and the village clerk
have to initiate this whole vote on

1007
01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:08,239
their own this is on them
the villa the dutchess county board of

1008
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:12,560
elections does not handle this vote
whether it's handled on november 3rd now

1009
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:16,800
or any other day it falls under the
auspices of the clerks the amount of

1010
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,880
work that the village and the town clerk
are going to have to do to coordinate

1011
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:21,520
this
is

1012
01:11:19,719 --> 01:11:25,199
unbelievable
totally has been discounted and nobody's

1013
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,560
taken that into account
the safest day

1014
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:33,760
well i don't necessarily know that it's
the safest day um any day in this coven

1015
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:36,239
environment is really not a safe day
and

1016
01:11:34,719 --> 01:11:40,159
and i would say it probably really
wasn't very safe to go and do this

1017
01:11:38,480 --> 01:11:43,440
initiative door-to-door collecting
signatures i don't know how safe that

1018
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:48,880
was either it's interesting to say that
because during the election a petition

1019
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:53,360
process for elected officials
for the petition process in march the

1020
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:56,880
governor stopped it it's a special
executive order that reduced the amount

1021
01:11:54,880 --> 01:12:01,199
of signatures necessary for elected
office to stop going door-to-door so you

1022
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:04,800
were correct correct
and the most cost-effective day

1023
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:09,199
well
we now know that's not true

1024
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:13,520
because whether or not this is held on
november 3rd or any other day between

1025
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:18,080
the 60 and 90 days that this has to
happen the cost to the taxpayers is

1026
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:22,560
exactly the same
because

1027
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:26,400
the village and the town clerks they now
have to get ballots they have to get

1028
01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:31,280
special printing ballots to go into
these electronic machines each one of

1029
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:35,199
those ballots costs about a dollar
per ballot we have 8 000 residents

1030
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:39,280
they're going to have to make sure we
have a ballot for each resident because

1031
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:42,800
every resident has to be able to have
the opportunity to vote only those that

1032
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:45,440
are registered to vote right well i mean
there are thousands of those i'm just so

1033
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:49,199
yeah
um they have to rent the machines

1034
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:52,960
and the machines are going to be a
problem right now the machines are going

1035
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:56,640
to be a problem because the general
election is november 3rd

1036
01:12:54,960 --> 01:13:00,480
the machines then become
impounded

1037
01:12:58,239 --> 01:13:04,480
and they could be impounded for weeks
which is going to make it nearly

1038
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:08,960
impossible probably for the town and the
village to try and find machines

1039
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:13,120
because the machines they're impounded
after a general election

1040
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:17,199
because if somebody wants to contest the
general election

1041
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:21,520
anybody who's running for office has the
ability to go back and and check those

1042
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:26,480
machines and make sure that they were
calculated the ballots correctly so

1043
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:31,199
my understanding in duchess county alone
is maybe december 13th we'd have access

1044
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:35,760
to the machines which would be past the
90 days or a paper ballot that gets hand

1045
01:13:34,159 --> 01:13:39,600
voted right can you imagine the
logistics of that and count it hand

1046
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:43,199
counted don't forget the absentee ballot
has to be a separate absentee ballot

1047
01:13:41,199 --> 01:13:46,800
request so your seniors or those that
are voting at home now have to have two

1048
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:50,800
absentee ballots exactly they
criss-cross which ones they have yep so

1049
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:53,840
you have voter disenfranchisement you
have to have that's not a real word poll

1050
01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:58,239
workers
the cost of the poll workers and again

1051
01:13:56,159 --> 01:14:02,719
if you want i'm making this clear about
the november third deadline because this

1052
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:07,840
one pauling pauling tax cut keeps
insisting that it can be done that day

1053
01:14:05,920 --> 01:14:12,480
getting poll workers that day will be
nearly impossible the county is having

1054
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:16,960
difficulty getting poll workers already
because most of the poll workers are

1055
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:20,880
elderly correct and they do not want to
work the polls right now in a coveted

1056
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,840
environment so there's so many
challenges to the november third right

1057
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:27,120
so you would be getting you would be
getting unfortunately you would not be

1058
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:31,199
getting well trained
poll workers to be running this this

1059
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:34,800
vote
and you also have to get the poll books

1060
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:38,480
you have to get the poll books you got
to buy from the county i know i'm over

1061
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:42,159
i'm going to ask the the mayor and the
supervisor to give me a little extra

1062
01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:46,159
time here because of how important it's
gonna be this is now i i appreciate that

1063
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:50,080
um
you know in the general election as you

1064
01:14:48,159 --> 01:14:53,520
pointed out there's early voting and
there's absentee voting

1065
01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:57,760
and and people don't understand what
happens now if if somebody's out and we

1066
01:14:56,159 --> 01:15:00,560
go up and we vote in millbrook which is
our early voting

1067
01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:05,120
every day
they've got to go take those people that

1068
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:10,080
voted go back to the county
and mark them as already having voted

1069
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:14,080
so that the next day i can't go there
and vote again so that's what's

1070
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:18,000
happening simultaneously and then when
you come back here to vote in your town

1071
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:20,560
on general election day they know
whether or not i've already voted early

1072
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:24,400
voting
so if i went voted early voting then i

1073
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:28,800
come in and i want to vote
this ballot for

1074
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:32,080
the uh consolidation i mean there's mass
confusion

1075
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:34,239
because the county's not tracking that
and they're not going to give up they're

1076
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:36,960
not going to give the ballot anyway and
it's not going to be on this whole thing

1077
01:15:35,679 --> 01:15:41,280
could have been solved
if this was done two weeks prior so yes

1078
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:45,440
you highlighted a number of the issues
that have not yet been shared with the

1079
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:49,840
general public um i don't want to speak
to the

1080
01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:53,840
misinformation or how or why social
media is aware is a place now where

1081
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:58,159
people hide behind
the website the page

1082
01:15:55,760 --> 01:16:03,040
what have you information gets shared
bits of information gets shared you know

1083
01:16:00,880 --> 01:16:07,120
communication is an interesting thing
it's not only what you say

1084
01:16:05,199 --> 01:16:10,560
it's also what is heard
and that what is heard is brought

1085
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:14,800
through their own internal filters and
responded back to you through a filter

1086
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:18,480
so i don't want to say from my
perspective that anything was done

1087
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:22,880
maliciously i do want to say that from
what i'm hearing when i'm reading and

1088
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:26,719
what i'm seeing the information isn't
correct that's being provided to the

1089
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:30,159
public well listen you don't have to say
it i will

1090
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:34,320
and i'm happy to say it because if you
anybody i'm watching the meeting on

1091
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:37,679
facebook right now i'm pauling tax cut
all they're doing is

1092
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:40,880
is criticizing you and telling you you
don't know what you're talking about no

1093
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:44,560
i know but this is the misinformation
campaign that i'm talking about rather

1094
01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:47,520
than come here i don't see mr kevin
gardner here he's the one that's led

1095
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:50,880
this whole initiative he's not sitting
in the room tonight

1096
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:53,840
um
the other thing is i want to ask you

1097
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:57,280
said which was interesting
if the consolidation fails with one of

1098
01:16:56,159 --> 01:17:03,199
the votes
it fails it fails so my question is this

1099
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:07,440
if the village goes first you don't hold
them on the same day

1100
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:10,239
the village does theirs
and it fails

1101
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:14,000
you the second vote doesn't have to
happen you have to have it you still

1102
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:17,760
have to we're locked in by law for the
votes so you still have to have it

1103
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:20,640
it doesn't matter how many people show
up it's already failed

1104
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:24,800
but you have to hold the vote anyway you
still have to hold the town vote correct

1105
01:17:22,239 --> 01:17:29,440
okay so you know my my early numbers i
could you know i could be wrong but i i

1106
01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:33,120
i feel pretty good about the the cost
that i've come up with it's probably

1107
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:37,199
going to cost about 15 000
if not a little bit more probably to do

1108
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:41,679
a special election so that cost is to
the taxpayers no matter what correct no

1109
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:44,400
matter what now as far as the name
calling i got broad shoulders been doing

1110
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:48,880
this 25 years
it's okay if balling tax cut or one

1111
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:52,719
polling or whoever those people are want
to say that i'm a hack or used car

1112
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,840
salesman i think they called me last
time

1113
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:59,840
it's okay thank you for that that means
i'm getting your attention but the

1114
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:03,440
reality is there are real facts and real
solutions and real information has to be

1115
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:07,920
given out
i'm just going to wrap up i i appreciate

1116
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:12,800
that you're absolutely right that's why
this is i mean the unfortunate part is

1117
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:18,480
we're here doing this
because the facts weren't obtained first

1118
01:18:15,679 --> 01:18:23,040
and and now it's become the taxpayers
mess and the board's mess to clean up

1119
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:26,640
correct and that's that's that's so
unfortunate and i'm just going to end

1120
01:18:24,960 --> 01:18:30,400
with some comments because
because i feel like i need to well well

1121
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:34,239
thank you are there other comments no i
know you find one more few more yeah

1122
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:38,480
uh the issue before the town of village
was not one of their making

1123
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:42,480
it was created by mr gardner and helen
grosso and others who circulated

1124
01:18:40,719 --> 01:18:47,040
petitions on their behalf to push this
initiative without knowing

1125
01:18:44,880 --> 01:18:50,560
and understanding the implications of
their actions

1126
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:55,360
the cost
to the taxpayers for this vote is at

1127
01:18:52,719 --> 01:18:59,520
their feet they can continue to stomp
their feet and say that the village in

1128
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:03,280
the town should allow voters to vote
when they do on election day but the

1129
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:07,840
reality is that it can't be done
a separate vote will have to be

1130
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:10,000
conducted all at taxpayers expense thank
you

1131
01:19:11,679 --> 01:19:17,199
hey hey ben just before we go to the
next comment could you just since since

1132
01:19:15,360 --> 01:19:21,120
your experience is being is being called
into question could you just let us all

1133
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:25,040
know how many years you've been working
on these type of studies and how many

1134
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:28,800
town villages consolidations and and
things along the same process you've

1135
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:32,719
worked on in your career sure
i've done over about 15 different

1136
01:19:30,960 --> 01:19:37,920
actually with consolidations and shared
services over 40 different studies uh

1137
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:42,320
eight dissolution plans we also authored
the award-winning town of brookhaven

1138
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:46,960
municipal consolidation and efficiency
plan that the state granted one

1139
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:50,400
community to get 20 million dollars
to reinvent their government we did that

1140
01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:54,719
plan
uh we're currently working in spencer uh

1141
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:59,760
but since my qualifications are being
called in by you know this guy or one

1142
01:19:57,679 --> 01:20:03,199
polling or tax credit uh tax cut i've
been doing this 25 years i've been

1143
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:06,320
working with governments from the senate
to the assembly to county government

1144
01:20:04,960 --> 01:20:10,320
i've been a consultant to town of
villages for over 21 years

1145
01:20:08,639 --> 01:20:14,960
i'm a certified planner and i'm an
educator facilitator at the association

1146
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:19,760
of towns and for nikon so they come to
us to author uh to author articles in

1147
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:23,920
their newspapers and their magazines
that they share to educate mayors and

1148
01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:28,320
boards and supervisors and boards uh
annually for the last uh 20 of the last

1149
01:20:26,480 --> 01:20:34,159
21 years i've been at the association of
towns presenting for about 16 of those

1150
01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:38,800
years on shared services on planning
with us is kathy rooney who has 30 years

1151
01:20:36,719 --> 01:20:44,239
of municipal management
our other colleague has been a fiscal

1152
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:47,679
wonk or a watchdog as he calls it for
data as a foreign budget officer

1153
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:52,639
i'm going to be nice and say he's been
doing it for 30 years he's probably

1154
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:57,360
watching it's probably closer to 35 but
if he's not watching no harm no foul

1155
01:20:55,280 --> 01:21:02,560
but we have been working as a company
since 1964 way before shared services

1156
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:08,560
and quality communities came to be
you know sharing services is not novel

1157
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:11,520
it's not new it's things that the towns
and villages have been doing since the

1158
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:15,600
beginning of time
sharing equipment sharing people working

1159
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:19,760
together to serve the residents that are
both the village in town

1160
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:25,360
this is not a new process it's one it's
thrust upon you since 2010's change

1161
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:30,480
so i hope that responds to some of the
requirements and some of the background

1162
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:33,760
that we provide but over 40 different
studies that we've done some of our

1163
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:37,360
studies have been
groundbreaking like the shimon county

1164
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:40,560
shared highway services study and the
town of brookhaven municipal

1165
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:45,440
consolidation and efficiency study now
putting in context

1166
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:50,000
town of brookhaven is 496
000 people

1167
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:52,719
it's different world it's long island
it's where i'm from which is why i talk

1168
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:58,320
quickly
496

1169
01:21:54,719 --> 01:22:01,760
000 people nine villagers one dissolve
eight villages

1170
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:06,080
they reinvented their government with a
plan that we authored and won the twenty

1171
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:09,600
million dollars
that doesn't come from reading something

1172
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:14,639
online and prime and developing
propaganda that comes from understanding

1173
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:18,400
how government fundamentally works that
it's not a business

1174
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:22,560
people like to go door to door and knock
on doors and say that i want to run my

1175
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:26,639
village or run my town like a business
it's not a business

1176
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:31,040
it's a public entity looking out for the
day-to-day needs of their residents

1177
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:35,199
and figuring out the best way to provide
those services the most effective way to

1178
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:38,639
provide those services the most
efficient way of providing those

1179
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:42,159
services and anybody that calls into
question these leaders around the room

1180
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:46,719
and says that they have not been doing
this on a day-to-day basis is lying to

1181
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:50,880
themselves because it's what they do
they have been entrusted by the public

1182
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:54,639
with your money
to look out for you and provide these

1183
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:59,600
services at the highest level they can
in an economy and in a situation where

1184
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:03,040
we have a tax cap where we have a lack
of federal and state resources but they

1185
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:06,480
cannot go back to you because you're all
hurting due to covid and other

1186
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:10,400
environmental and economic issues
they put themselves out day on day in

1187
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:14,400
and day out to provide these services
for you and for anybody to say that

1188
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:18,639
they're not doing their job let's have a
vote without it let's just vote anyway

1189
01:23:16,639 --> 01:23:22,239
is wrong for them and it's not fair to
them so i want to thank you all for

1190
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:27,040
doing what you do every single day
defending what you do online and to the

1191
01:23:24,480 --> 01:23:32,080
public you do you actually provide a
huge public service and you should be

1192
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:37,440
recognized for that this process
demands a short time frame

1193
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:40,719
this process forces you to take what you
could have done together

1194
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:46,080
in a year
to give information within 90 days

1195
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:49,760
it forces the public to vote without
proper information

1196
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:52,400
and it's not fair to you all but that's
the situation you're in

1197
01:23:51,199 --> 01:23:55,920
so if anyone that questions my
background it's online go read it you

1198
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:59,520
want to look at our studies they're
online go see it

1199
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:04,000
if you have questions for us we'll be
happy to answer them

1200
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:07,679
any i think these two have questions
gentlemen the white shirt and then the

1201
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:07,679
green shirt

1202
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,840
jerry if i have to use one you have to i
guess so yeah

1203
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:19,280
i want to say what a nice job you've
done uh gerry lacassie i live in the

1204
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:23,120
village been here for many years
i think uh both village and town

1205
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:27,199
officials do a great job
my question is and your resume is

1206
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:30,480
certainly very impressive you've done a
great job so far

1207
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:34,320
can i ask what the cost is for your
presentation for this evening or your

1208
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:38,080
firms is that something that's
i'm just curious what we're laying out

1209
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:42,400
it's it's great that you're doing it i'm
curious what this is going to cost us uh

1210
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:45,520
prior today was about 12 hours of
consultant time with today it's about

1211
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:48,639
another five hours of consulting time
for a total of 17. and uh if i

1212
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:53,199
understand the village in the town have
the option to use your services to do

1213
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:56,320
the interim study yes
what does something like that go for

1214
01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:59,280
roughly any idea
um yes

1215
01:24:57,679 --> 01:25:03,920
we have traditionally done the
dissolution or the consolidation interim

1216
01:25:01,520 --> 01:25:06,800
report in the range of uh 25 to 30
thousand dollars

1217
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:10,960
and thank you period that's
so 15

1218
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:14,800
and added you know 15 for the voting
okay so we're about 50 now right

1219
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:18,520
okay thank you
gentlemen in the green shirt

1220
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:41,360
is it on okay i'm good uh my name is
alfred grieve um president of holmes new

1221
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:47,679
york and i'm a
petition gatherer with one pauling so

1222
01:25:44,480 --> 01:25:54,080
i'm kind of a endangered endangered
species around here i think but anyway

1223
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:57,760
a couple of points i'd like to make um
first of all there was no malicious

1224
01:25:55,760 --> 01:26:01,600
intent in the fact that we missed the
november third deadline

1225
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:05,840
for the vote
we were held up by covert 19.

1226
01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:11,520
so
we we regret that we're sorry about that

1227
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:13,920
but we did the best we could
um

1228
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:23,840
another point uh i think important point
is that uh pauling or i should say one

1229
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:27,120
polling is dedicated to the second
referendum

1230
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:30,560
it was always our
feeling that the the way the process is

1231
01:26:29,440 --> 01:26:35,679
set up
we we need a full discovery

1232
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:41,600
of our situation in the village in the
town of pauling and uh that means

1233
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:46,480
having the first referendum
with a affirmative vote

1234
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:50,480
followed by a
period of discovery

1235
01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:54,000
of our
situation from all angles which i'm sure

1236
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:57,679
you'll
do very well at

1237
01:26:55,920 --> 01:27:01,199
uh and i'd like to make sure that you
have that chance so that means a

1238
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:06,639
positive vote
in the first referendum and one pauling

1239
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:10,639
will be out there with everyone who's
interested and we will gather the 1500

1240
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:13,920
signatures
to have the second referendum so we have

1241
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:16,880
a
measured

1242
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:22,639
carefully
conducted process to evaluate our

1243
01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:25,520
situation here in pauling
thank you and i thank you and i don't

1244
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:29,360
want to be the one saying that you
maliciously or intently did that it was

1245
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:34,320
implied it was
the issue of what people heard i

1246
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:38,159
mentioned earlier communication is not
only what you say

1247
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:42,159
it's the filter that comes as you say
it's what you hear in the filter as you

1248
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:45,760
hear so many of the people online and
many people have spoken to the village

1249
01:27:43,600 --> 01:27:48,480
residents and many born and many uh
people who spoke to the town board have

1250
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:53,120
said that they thought there's going to
be a second vote there's no guarantee

1251
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:57,199
now i'm very happy and thankful that
you're interested in doing that second

1252
01:27:55,120 --> 01:28:02,239
petition to give people the opportunity
for that second bite but as the

1253
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:07,520
consultant who has done this before
it is extremely difficult to get

1254
01:28:05,679 --> 01:28:09,600
that second petition
so

1255
01:28:08,239 --> 01:28:15,040
as well
could you explain that sure 25

1256
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,040
of them

1257
01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:22,800
okay we gathered about 800
with for the first referendum and some

1258
01:28:21,440 --> 01:28:26,719
of that was done with people thinking
was a different petition don't worry

1259
01:28:24,480 --> 01:28:31,280
it's not just you i've it's happened all
over the state it's a common thread

1260
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:36,080
people read information they internalize
it they speak it they say it people hear

1261
01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:39,520
it differently they don't always read
what they're signing it just happened to

1262
01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:43,120
spencer at the same exact problem
so it's not new it's not meant to be

1263
01:28:41,199 --> 01:28:46,159
malicious but i'm encouraged that you
want to have that but i cannot tell the

1264
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:51,440
public that there's going to be a
guaranteed second vote okay here's a

1265
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:55,120
point on the second referendum and the
gathering of petitions you will have

1266
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:59,679
people who are pro
change and against change

1267
01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:04,000
working to get signatures to have the
second referendum so there's a there's a

1268
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:06,480
bigger impetus
and on the second round thankful that

1269
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:10,560
you're
strong in your conviction that there

1270
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:14,800
would be one i cannot guarantee it so i
have to tell people the unbiased opinion

1271
01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:18,239
of i cannot guarantee a second vote i'm
glad you brought it up that you think

1272
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:23,120
there would be i have to con i have to
say that there's no guarantee of it

1273
01:29:20,719 --> 01:29:27,600
nothing's guaranteed but you know what
that taxes you got it

1274
01:29:25,679 --> 01:29:32,400
mr grief yes real quickly before you
shut that microphone off um if if one

1275
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:36,639
pauling was was so
was so ready to work on this issue and a

1276
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:41,440
study and you're going to support it
why did no one from your organization

1277
01:29:38,480 --> 01:29:45,440
reach out to myself this mayor anyone on
my board or anyone on that board

1278
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:48,880
because you didn't and if you go back to
the june meeting which was live on

1279
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:54,000
social media we had you know over a
thousand followers as we always do i

1280
01:29:52,080 --> 01:29:57,760
spoke in length about shared services
the budget budget process starting and

1281
01:29:56,159 --> 01:30:00,960
how important it was at this time for
the town and village to be working

1282
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:05,360
together on shared service projects and
no less than four or five days later

1283
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:10,400
your group popped up no one's ever heard
of him one polling popped up and yes you

1284
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:15,280
collected 831 signatures
so far i have not had one person reach

1285
01:30:12,639 --> 01:30:19,280
out to my office or my board or this
mayor and his board to say we're happy

1286
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:23,120
we signed a petition we have had
hundreds of people call up saying how do

1287
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:27,679
we get off this petition we were misled
at this petition so if you didn't miss

1288
01:30:25,199 --> 01:30:32,480
lead people thank you i i'm happy to
hear that but most of the people in your

1289
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:35,679
group misled people on every single door
we have people with signed affidavits

1290
01:30:34,159 --> 01:30:39,520
who said that you people continue to
push them at their door to sign

1291
01:30:37,920 --> 01:30:43,199
and and you misled them on what you were
looking to do you even had folks

1292
01:30:41,440 --> 01:30:46,560
carrying this petition who aren't
registered voters in the town of polling

1293
01:30:45,280 --> 01:30:50,719
how does that sit with everyone in this
room someone knocked on your door and

1294
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:55,520
asked for a signature to consolidate
your village and your town with no plan

1295
01:30:52,639 --> 01:30:58,800
in place and they don't even cast a vote
in the town of pauling how is that fair

1296
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:02,000
to the residents appalling that's not
misleading that's the most misleading

1297
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:07,600
thing i've ever heard of mr schmidt you
have to uh be more specific about who

1298
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:12,639
these uh transgressors were um the
people i know who were involved are

1299
01:31:09,679 --> 01:31:16,800
hardcore appalling residents who are
interested in making our town and

1300
01:31:14,080 --> 01:31:22,800
village better place to live uh we
should all be uh reminded that the the

1301
01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:28,400
uh this the whole northeast uh region is
not being competitive with the sun belt

1302
01:31:25,199 --> 01:31:32,320
uh we have to make our uh government
systems here more efficient and this is

1303
01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:37,520
the the
the

1304
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,520
reason that new york state has

1305
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:46,400
enacted this law so we we have to
strive to make ourselves

1306
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:51,360
uh again
the best community we we can possibly be

1307
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:54,960
and that and i think involves examining
our government structure here uh as to

1308
01:31:54,080 --> 01:31:58,800
uh
uh people gathering petitions

1309
01:31:56,719 --> 01:32:03,920
unethically uh i have no knowledge of
that i when i uh went to uh people's

1310
01:32:01,280 --> 01:32:07,679
door um i i
told them that uh this was the first

1311
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:12,960
step and that we would have the second
petition and this is always the the

1312
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:17,199
thought process that uh
motivated uh

1313
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:22,000
one polling uh the the fact that the
there's there's this um

1314
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:27,120
possibility that uh
the the first uh

1315
01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:30,960
referendum leads to an automatic
dissolution

1316
01:32:28,560 --> 01:32:34,880
that's not the way we want this to go
how come no one knocked on my door for a

1317
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:34,880
signature

1318
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:42,400
uh we went and got gathered signatures
well first of all i i

1319
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:46,080
i'm a democrat so i had a list of
democrats so i'm bringing some

1320
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:51,320
democratic doorbells well thank you
there's a question or the gentleman

1321
01:32:48,320 --> 01:32:51,320
oh

1322
01:32:54,400 --> 01:32:59,280
and jess can you grab the microphone to
give the gentleman the yankee shirt for

1323
01:32:57,199 --> 01:33:01,760
after the mayor
excuse me

1324
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:07,480
okay
can everybody hear me

1325
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:16,639
gotta get it closer how's that
better

1326
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:20,880
well kevin gardner called me i don't
know when it was but it was

1327
01:33:18,639 --> 01:33:26,480
not too long ago
and i said to him

1328
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:29,520
that he was lying to the people
and he said he wasn't lying to the

1329
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:32,480
people
and i said well if you're not lying to

1330
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:35,199
the people
why don't you come to the village board

1331
01:33:34,080 --> 01:33:39,760
meeting
and express your

1332
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:43,760
concerns
and he said i'm not going to do that and

1333
01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:49,199
i said well you should do that if you
don't do that i think that you're

1334
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:51,840
you're lying to me and that's how i feel
thank you

1335
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:58,960
uh good evening my name is gregory
bernard i live in the village

1336
01:33:57,199 --> 01:34:02,880
i'm not a former mayor but i was an
elected official for 10 years

1337
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:06,080
i'd like to get back to the monetary you
did say that you'd have to come up with

1338
01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:11,520
a cost analysis of of what the
consolidation would cost

1339
01:34:08,000 --> 01:34:17,440
um number one if you reduce the taxes by
roughly 500 000 which would be the 70 of

1340
01:34:14,719 --> 01:34:21,440
the of the of the grant from the state
if you don't get it the next year

1341
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:24,239
you have to raise taxes by that amount
if it's not appropriated by the state

1342
01:34:22,719 --> 01:34:28,560
legislature your taxes are going to be
raised by the same amount

1343
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:32,880
number two with the state tax cap
if you don't get it the second year

1344
01:34:30,320 --> 01:34:36,320
you're what you can raise your taxes by
on your tax cap is going to be so uh

1345
01:34:35,360 --> 01:34:40,560
you're going to you're going to have to
go above your tax cap and you're

1346
01:34:37,679 --> 01:34:44,800
penalized for that so the the
the proponent his whole basis is telling

1347
01:34:42,639 --> 01:34:47,920
everybody that in perpetuity we're going
to get to 700 000

1348
01:34:46,719 --> 01:34:52,800
and it's going to be we're going to be
able to reduce taxes by it

1349
01:34:50,159 --> 01:34:56,800
also thirdly
you mentioned your fees which aren't

1350
01:34:54,639 --> 01:35:00,639
astronomical at the point but
to go through a codification of the

1351
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:05,840
zoning code to bring all of the codes
from the village and the town into the

1352
01:35:02,800 --> 01:35:09,840
same same code and to adopt them to have
all those laws drafted to go through the

1353
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:13,920
the uh legal
to do the lawyer did bring up some of

1354
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:18,400
that the cost of doing all of that
analysis you're not going to save money

1355
01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:22,239
at least in the first year
beyond that you know is a possibility if

1356
01:35:20,639 --> 01:35:26,800
that if those funds
do still get appropriated by the state

1357
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:29,920
legislature so it's a fallacy to say
that right off the bat you're going to

1358
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:33,679
save money the rest of it you have to
study and obviously there could be cost

1359
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:36,080
savings it could be cost savings more
with with the highway departments

1360
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:39,360
possibly
could be cost savings we're doing a

1361
01:35:37,360 --> 01:35:43,840
garbage district in the village which
would could possibly save town residents

1362
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:49,119
from having to pay a private contractor
if you consolidated the whole thing and

1363
01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:53,040
made the town one garbage uh contract
bid bid out and

1364
01:35:51,119 --> 01:35:56,639
the whole town and village would would
uh use the same contractor you can save

1365
01:35:55,520 --> 01:36:00,960
money that way so there's plenty of
opportunities to look at how you can do

1366
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:05,119
those things and i just from my
perspective i also would put a no on it

1367
01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:08,800
so that we could have the time to look
at those issues whether doing garbage

1368
01:36:07,199 --> 01:36:12,320
for the whole town in village is a good
idea consolidating the highway

1369
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:15,440
departments is a good idea any of those
other things to have the time to look at

1370
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:19,679
that
and and really do a study that gives you

1371
01:36:17,840 --> 01:36:24,159
the numbers that it's you got to look at
the numbers right that's what it's all

1372
01:36:20,960 --> 01:36:29,040
about so that's my perspective thank you
well thank you sir

1373
01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:32,320
any other questions from this audience
first gentlemen in the blue

1374
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:38,719
and for those of you that are worried
about the microphone you'll notice that

1375
01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:42,159
jess is wiping them down in between
speakers so feel comfortable and

1376
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:47,440
confident hi my name is mike shustak i'm
a member of the village um

1377
01:36:45,199 --> 01:36:52,560
kind of have i would recommend everybody
vote no also on this but also to the

1378
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:56,639
point that mike cerny made before it's
really important to find out that if we

1379
01:36:54,080 --> 01:37:00,320
do vote no we can still have the board
agree on some sort of a

1380
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:07,920
consolidation
um second part is what happens if

1381
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:13,199
the referendum occurs after 90 days
or can the boards ask for because of

1382
01:37:10,960 --> 01:37:16,400
covet ask for an extension
of that 90 days

1383
01:37:15,199 --> 01:37:20,400
there's no
nothing in the law that allows for an

1384
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:25,600
appeal process for the date of the
referendum uh it's clear in a law no

1385
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:29,679
less than 16 no more than 90. the
villager spencer had a reprieve because

1386
01:37:27,760 --> 01:37:33,520
the governor canceled all village
elections from march until september

1387
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:38,400
15th
as far as the planning process should

1388
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:42,960
you vote to consolidate and you have
that 180 days

1389
01:37:40,400 --> 01:37:46,800
it has not yet been challenged in court
but it's been told to us anecdotally

1390
01:37:44,800 --> 01:37:51,119
that you know if you hit the 180 but
you're making progress a judge may give

1391
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:54,639
you a little more time but if you're not
doing anything

1392
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:58,480
you have that 180 days you have to
have to meet with um this is unchartered

1393
01:37:56,719 --> 01:38:02,400
territory
i would leave that to council to decide

1394
01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:07,440
if they're going if there's a way to
appeal to somebody in a court to extend

1395
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:11,280
the reality is we're now allowed to have
elections

1396
01:38:09,199 --> 01:38:15,520
there's not a coveted answer as to why
you can't have an election

1397
01:38:13,199 --> 01:38:19,280
we now have absentee ballots that in the
absentee ballot it says i'm away from

1398
01:38:17,520 --> 01:38:24,320
home away from the county i'm working
outside i am sick

1399
01:38:21,679 --> 01:38:27,520
or it's a pandemic
safety measure and this is an actual

1400
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:30,960
word for that i read the other day but
basically check the box that due to the

1401
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:36,880
pandemic you were requesting an absentee
ballot so there's no legal reason why

1402
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:40,880
you have to delay the vote passed in 90
days

1403
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:45,520
you are locked in by law article 17a to
60 to 90 days

1404
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:48,960
if you vote it down
does not preclude the town and village

1405
01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:53,600
to continue to talk about sharing
services should there be a consolidated

1406
01:38:51,440 --> 01:38:58,880
funding application next july
you can apply for a grant to do a study

1407
01:38:55,360 --> 01:39:03,360
on shared services it's a 50-50 uh grant
between the state and you

1408
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:07,520
it doesn't stop you every day from
working together and i said it earlier

1409
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:11,280
every day these folks are working
together to figure out the best way to

1410
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:15,600
provide services to each of the villains
in the town that's not going to stop

1411
01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:19,119
because there's a vote they're going to
continue to dedicate their their free

1412
01:39:17,679 --> 01:39:22,480
time and their working time to the
betterment of the residents they're

1413
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:26,080
going to continue looking out for you
and the services that you provide and

1414
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:30,000
they'll continue before and after the
referendum doing that

1415
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:34,400
any additional questions in the audience
before i turn it over to facebook

1416
01:39:32,159 --> 01:39:34,400
ma'am

1417
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:48,080
hi i'm marilyn joyce cerny i'm a village
resident thank you for your presentation

1418
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:52,159
um i'm just wondering in your experience
how many governments have skipped the

1419
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:55,840
interim
study

1420
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:58,560
uh report and just gone right to
referendum

1421
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:04,320
none of the client none of the people i
worked with skipped the interim report

1422
01:40:02,719 --> 01:40:05,760
there was a village
in

1423
01:40:04,610 --> 01:40:09,600
[Music]
sullivan county or delaware county

1424
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:14,880
fallsburg
oh no sorry fleischmann's they did not

1425
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:18,719
do a new study they had a study from
four or six years ago so they just

1426
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:22,080
refreshed the numbers but they still
provided information you know as i said

1427
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:25,199
before i've been working with
governments for 25 years

1428
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:29,440
i believe
personally that each member here wants

1429
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:35,360
to work with the public to give them as
much information as possible um i have

1430
01:40:32,000 --> 01:40:37,440
not yet had a village or a town say nope
we're only doing the three things that's

1431
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:41,040
it
there may have been them there may be

1432
01:40:39,040 --> 01:40:44,800
communities i told you there's been 50
or 60 votes

1433
01:40:42,639 --> 01:40:47,760
i'm not personally aware of them there
are other firms that provide this

1434
01:40:46,560 --> 01:40:51,440
service
with the two leading ones you know is uh

1435
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:56,239
center for governmental research out of
rochester and us out of albany there are

1436
01:40:54,480 --> 01:41:00,560
a few others around the state but the
lion's share are the two of us so there

1437
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:05,840
may be some that they know of i don't
know of anybody that said no

1438
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:05,840
thank you very much

1439
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:19,360
yes uh i'd like to give the board the
opportunity to speak if there's any

1440
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:22,239
questions or comments or the village
trustees want to share and then we'll go

1441
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:24,560
to the town trustees the town board
members

1442
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:35,840
well i don't need to but
um

1443
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:40,639
i liked what mike cyrus said uh and also
david uh sort of reiterated that

1444
01:41:38,639 --> 01:41:44,719
um
we are currently already providing all

1445
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:48,080
of these services that would then have
to be re-evaluated

1446
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:51,520
and
new districts set up if we do

1447
01:41:49,840 --> 01:41:58,280
consolidate um
in my own opinion i just think it's an

1448
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:58,280
awful waste of time money and energy

1449
01:42:06,719 --> 01:42:12,800
ben i have a question for you have you
done any actually where new villages

1450
01:42:11,040 --> 01:42:16,960
have been formed
in recent times

1451
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:20,320
i have not created a new village but i
think in new york state there have been

1452
01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:24,000
some there have been recreated there
have been two new villages created in

1453
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:30,480
the outskirts of the village of curious
joel in orange county uh village of

1454
01:42:26,159 --> 01:42:30,480
south blooming grove and

1455
01:42:30,639 --> 01:42:36,560
somewhere around woodbury uh they
created new villages six years ago the

1456
01:42:34,639 --> 01:42:42,679
mastic beach eight years ago now they
created a village and then dissolved

1457
01:42:39,199 --> 01:42:42,679
all right thank you

1458
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:53,600
i just wanted to make sure that everyone
um

1459
01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:57,600
votes
understanding the facts of all of this

1460
01:42:56,080 --> 01:43:01,440
and i know that
there's the perception that this is

1461
01:42:59,199 --> 01:43:06,719
going to be a savings and from what i'm
understanding i'm not seeing that

1462
01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:12,080
savings i'm just seeing a lot of cost
to our residents at a time when this is

1463
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:16,320
a very difficult time for everybody
financially so i'm

1464
01:43:14,159 --> 01:43:19,040
just sorry that it has come to this
at this time

1465
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:28,719
i'm just wondering uh maybe with kevin
and his group are so concerned about the

1466
01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:32,000
taxpayers and their money maybe they're
going to step up and in front this money

1467
01:43:30,719 --> 01:43:35,840
that it's going to cost to run this
election

1468
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:39,199
just a thought
thank you uh

1469
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:44,080
mayor you have any more comments or turn
over the town

1470
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:44,080
mr supervisor town board

1471
01:43:45,679 --> 01:43:50,560
there you go
yeah no this is a shame this has all

1472
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:54,400
come to
to this point and and so fast with this

1473
01:43:53,199 --> 01:44:00,080
information
but i i believe that the town board

1474
01:43:57,840 --> 01:44:04,000
and the village board is committed to
give

1475
01:44:01,199 --> 01:44:07,040
the best information we can out to the
public

1476
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:09,840
before they have this vote
because uh that's the best thing we

1477
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:13,520
could do
is get the honors information and thank

1478
01:44:12,159 --> 01:44:18,000
you very much
for you for your presentation there's a

1479
01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:21,239
lot of very good information for people
to digest

1480
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:31,360
i just wanted to
echo a little bit of you know even what

1481
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:34,560
the supervisor
had said that you know in one of our

1482
01:44:33,520 --> 01:44:37,040
last
i think maybe two town board meetings

1483
01:44:36,159 --> 01:44:41,199
ago
you know we were our town board was

1484
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:45,360
talking about the shared services we
were talking about ideas of trying to

1485
01:44:43,600 --> 01:44:49,520
have meetings together with the town
board we you know i've been reaching out

1486
01:44:47,679 --> 01:44:54,159
to laurie taylor like we were just
trying to start initiating those

1487
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:57,280
discussions and then i think again
what seems to be the most upsetting and

1488
01:44:55,920 --> 01:45:02,320
i've heard from a lot of community
members is is the tactics

1489
01:45:00,239 --> 01:45:06,880
i i think again you know i don't want to
just go over everything all over again

1490
01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:10,960
but i think had had some members come to
the boards and said listen we found out

1491
01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:15,119
about this you know study we found out
about this empowerment act

1492
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:18,719
would you guys be willing to even meet
with us i mean i i don't want to speak

1493
01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:22,239
for everybody but i would like to say
that i think we would have met with the

1494
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:26,480
group and said you know what let's meet
and let's let's learn a little bit more

1495
01:45:23,920 --> 01:45:30,480
about it and then again as ben has said
as a supervisor and the mayor have said

1496
01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:35,199
it would have been board initiated
and again i'm going to say that again

1497
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:39,840
because board initiated if it had gone
that way and it wasn't this rushed

1498
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:42,560
you know
vote

1499
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:46,080
we could have been doing it the right
way in my own opinion i'm just speaking

1500
01:45:44,239 --> 01:45:49,360
for myself that we would have had the
study there would have been an

1501
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:54,400
explanation and it would have been clear
to everybody and we're not voting kind

1502
01:45:51,920 --> 01:45:59,040
of in the dark so i just wanted to say
that again i i'm sorry it didn't happen

1503
01:45:56,480 --> 01:46:03,280
that way i do want to acknowledge alfred
i appreciate you putting the name you

1504
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:07,440
know your name out there i think that
was very brave so i do want to say that

1505
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:10,400
because again i think what we've seen is
there's

1506
01:46:08,320 --> 01:46:14,239
a lot of different names um going around
on social media but you're here so i i

1507
01:46:12,880 --> 01:46:18,960
did want to at least acknowledge that
but but because you know i do want to be

1508
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:24,320
clear that um
i don't believe you yourself

1509
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:28,400
were malicious but i think i need to set
the record straight that i was told by

1510
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:33,199
the um
democratic um commissioner at the board

1511
01:46:30,639 --> 01:46:37,760
of elections that the petitioners were
told before this was even started that

1512
01:46:35,679 --> 01:46:42,159
it would never make the november third
election so i think that's really really

1513
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:46,159
important for everybody to know that
this this was not going to happen before

1514
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:52,000
it even started and i think what we're
looking for here tonight is facts

1515
01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:56,159
so so that is a fact
and i think that again

1516
01:46:54,560 --> 01:47:00,800
i feel like others have said i think
we're just we're we're wasting time

1517
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:04,639
we're wasting money we're wasting energy
um i think the work between all of these

1518
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:10,159
boards behind the scenes for these past
two weeks um has been extensive and it's

1519
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:13,920
our job but our job right now for the
town anyway is to work on our budget

1520
01:47:12,719 --> 01:47:17,600
something that's going to affect
everybody here we talked about a

1521
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:21,440
community garden that the community
members are really excited with you know

1522
01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:25,280
it's so unfair that we have to put these
things on hold right now

1523
01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:29,840
you know so again
i'm really hoping that

1524
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:34,320
we can continue to stay together and
work together i think what's happened is

1525
01:47:32,239 --> 01:47:37,760
it's been very divisive
i think sometimes it's been very nasty

1526
01:47:36,159 --> 01:47:40,480
some of the comments that have been said
to

1527
01:47:38,560 --> 01:47:45,040
town board members village board members
people in the community and my hope is

1528
01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:50,320
that we can just stay strong and just
really work together um and those are my

1529
01:47:47,360 --> 01:47:53,360
comments thank you
jim

1530
01:47:51,360 --> 01:47:57,679
well first ben thank you very much the
second being a new board member i'm

1531
01:47:55,920 --> 01:48:00,480
basically an infant and looking around
this room

1532
01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:04,239
but my family has lived here for 50
years

1533
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:08,239
and i believe everybody in this room
whether you're pro or against

1534
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:12,400
uh people that are listening
will make their own decisions and i do

1535
01:48:10,080 --> 01:48:15,920
believe residents appalling will make
the right decision there's a lot of

1536
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:18,480
unanswered questions we don't know what
this is going to cost us at the end of

1537
01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:23,280
the day
james and i are new

1538
01:48:20,480 --> 01:48:25,760
we talk most two or three times a day
i've worked with the highway

1539
01:48:24,320 --> 01:48:29,360
superintendent who's worked with the
village superintendent for the

1540
01:48:27,280 --> 01:48:32,960
superintendent with the highway
so we do do shared service on a regular

1541
01:48:31,679 --> 01:48:36,159
basis
um

1542
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:39,199
i just want everybody to to remember the
old days in pauling before people hid

1543
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:43,840
behind
facebook before people hood behind

1544
01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:48,000
emails and that's what made this town
great and i can look around this room

1545
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:53,360
and many of them are here
so just remember that and remember one

1546
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:56,480
thing we all do live in pauling
and i believe polly will make the right

1547
01:48:55,119 --> 01:49:00,159
decision
and thank you again ben well thank you

1548
01:48:58,239 --> 01:49:04,159
before i turn over to jess to ask any
questions on facebook i need to give a

1549
01:49:01,920 --> 01:49:09,679
shout out to our stenographer writing
all these notes from the greatest speech

1550
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:09,679
that i give that's kudos to you

1551
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:18,639
and just any questions on there there
no there is not oh okay

1552
01:49:17,119 --> 01:49:20,960
i'll turn it back over to supervisory
mayor

1553
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:28,880
so i just want to thank everybody for
coming out tonight and uh taking part in

1554
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:32,080
this meeting and taking the time to sign
up for it to being here

1555
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:34,880
um you know our buildings and ground
crew worked hard just setting his room

1556
01:49:33,599 --> 01:49:38,480
up to make sure we were all properly
socially distancing and we can get as

1557
01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:42,560
many residents here in person as
possible uh jessica in our office and

1558
01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:46,639
and our and kathy jo dynamo our clerk
worked really hard to get this meeting

1559
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:51,360
set up uh so thank you for that ben
i know it's not an easy commute if

1560
01:49:47,840 --> 01:49:51,360
you're getting down here or easy

1561
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:54,880
well hopefully there's no rain going
back

1562
01:49:55,679 --> 01:50:02,239
i was on vacation last week and there's
rain every single day by saturday

1563
01:50:00,400 --> 01:50:04,560
our mayor rob blifflin and the village
trustees thank you so much for being

1564
01:50:03,599 --> 01:50:07,920
here
it's it's great doing these meetings

1565
01:50:06,080 --> 01:50:10,960
together and like councilwoman snow said
you know we've been talking about this

1566
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:15,040
just recently meetings and we were
hoping to transition more into town

1567
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:18,239
meetings where there was village
trustees presence and and village

1568
01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:21,520
meetings where there was town board
people's presence so that we were able

1569
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:24,320
to work more fluidly and work towards
these things and we could constantly be

1570
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:28,320
there to speak with dave daniels and you
folks could be there to speak with nancy

1571
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:31,440
and uh that's all for the for the the
greater good of the community and that's

1572
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:35,119
what these two boards have been doing
for a long time it's a shame we are

1573
01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:38,320
wasting time on this but here we are so
we're gonna we're gonna power through it

1574
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:41,760
um i think there's a lot of great
information out there today from this

1575
01:50:39,599 --> 01:50:45,360
presentation it's available on the
social media on our town appalling

1576
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:48,239
facebook page so please show it to your
friends and tell them to listen and if

1577
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:52,400
you have any questions they can reach
out to our board myself the mayor that

1578
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:55,920
board as well if we have any questions
that we can't answer we'll get them to

1579
01:50:53,599 --> 01:50:59,280
ben right away he'll answer them and uh
you know i'm not gonna i'm not gonna ask

1580
01:50:57,520 --> 01:51:02,719
you how to vote or ask to tell you how
to vote but

1581
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:07,360
i believe uh in equine with council
mccarthy said i believe poland will make

1582
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:11,040
the right decision and um you know
study's a great idea and working

1583
01:51:09,360 --> 01:51:14,960
together to be better every single day
is a great idea

1584
01:51:12,719 --> 01:51:18,560
but misleading people door-to-door and
and getting names on a petition is

1585
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:22,560
is not a great idea
so i believe we'll come through this and

1586
01:51:21,119 --> 01:51:26,400
i think paul will be a lot better moving
forward because of this so thank you

1587
01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:30,480
everyone for being here uh give it to
the mayor quickly if he has a few words

1588
01:51:28,080 --> 01:51:39,360
to say in closing and uh that's it for
me thank you folks

1589
01:51:33,570 --> 01:51:43,199
[Applause]
again i

1590
01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:47,360
thank everybody for coming out tonight
it's a shame that we have to do it this

1591
01:51:45,280 --> 01:51:50,719
way
and um

1592
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:54,239
it's just wrong
again just thank you everyone

1593
01:51:54,430 --> 01:52:02,400
[Applause]
thank you and mayor supervisor we're

1594
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:05,920
going to email jess
the powerpoint presentation if you can

1595
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:09,920
share it with the village
uh you can get them both on your

1596
01:52:07,199 --> 01:52:12,719
websites uh if there's a village uh
contact you want me to email too if not

1597
01:52:11,599 --> 01:52:15,679
just give it the gesture to share with
you guys and you can both put it on your

1598
01:52:14,400 --> 01:52:19,520
website that way anyone that couldn't be
here or couldn't see it because of the

1599
01:52:17,760 --> 01:52:23,280
distance on
facebook live we'll have an opportunity

1600
01:52:20,880 --> 01:52:23,280
to read it

1601
01:52:24,080 --> 01:52:27,480
thank you all

1602
01:52:30,719 --> 01:52:32,800
you