It's about 20 seconds
>> in progress
>> to six. So, welcome to the PA city
council meeting for August 19th,
2026. And again, the time is well,
according to that clock, the end at the
other end of the room at 6:00.
Uh, I will go ahead and and open this
meeting with word of prayer.
Our
father in heaven, as we come before thee
at this time as a group of citizens and
city council, we're so very thankful for
thy involvement in our lives and in the
lives of the PAC city citizens and those
in the surrounding areas. We're thankful
for the opportunity we have of planning
our future and would ask thee to please
be part of that plan as we are
struggling to make sure we do the right
thing for the right reason. Thankful for
the the water that thou hast seen fit to
bestow us with. Please help us to get
more water for our our uses. Please
don't overwhelm us with the water but
help us to
uh use that water
uh sensibly. And we say these things
father in the name of thy son Jesus
Christ. Amen.
>> Amen.
>> And a moss council moss will lead us in
the pledge.
>> Please stand.
>> Repeat after me. I aliance to the flag
of the United States of America and to
the republic for which it stands. One
nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
>> Thank you, Anne.
» Okay, we'll go ahead and proceed uh see
the consent agenda. Approval of the
August 5th, 2026 city council meeting
minutes. Number two, confirmation of the
monthly financial information. Number
three, resolution approving agreement
for construction services for the short
course at the Glad Stand Golf Course.
Unless there's any uh uh discussion, I'm
ready for a motion.
>> Mayor, I motion that we approve the
consent agenda.
>> I'll second that.
>> Okay, we have a motion been seconded. Uh
roll call vote starting with Council
Smith.
>> Yes.
>> Council Roelly,
>> yes.
>> Council Moss,
>> yes. Council Progard.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. The motion carries. That gives me
an opportunity to let people know that
uh Council Hulet is going to be a little
late. He's had some responsibilities on a meeting earlier today, but he will
be here.
Okay. We'll move on to D petitions.
Uh and uh number one is I5 interchange
report. Stephen, are you with us?
Come on up, Stephen.
the man of the hour.
>> Yeah. Thank you for being here.
We're anxious for your report.
» Uh this is my first time. I'm I'm Steven
Loveland. I'm the new project manager
for the I-15 PAC interchange project.
Eric Krasband uh is retiring or retired.
Um so I'm taking over for him. Um our design team is currently pursuing
90% design plans. Um we got that
scheduled in September. Um we anticipate
to advertise
uh at the beginning of next year with
construction planned for spring summer
of 2027. Um we're currently working with
uh UTA and the railroad. Um we're
preparing agreements um and those will
need to be um approved in order to get
construction rolling. So we're working
through that. Um and we're also working
through right away um that's kind of
ongoing rightway acquisition. So um
that's kind of pretty simple update, but
like I said, we're getting close to um
getting the package ready to advertise.
So
>> that's a major segment of that update.
So no, we appreciate that information.
And does uh does the rightway include
going over the tracks with with new
offramps?
>> Uh you're talking about tracks. Yeah. To
the north.
» The
>> So going over not only
>> to the to the west or where?
>> Yeah, to the west.
>> You can kind of kind of northwest
>> kind of northwest.
>> Yeah. So
>> going over the tracks.
I brought my
» Come on up if you would please.
» Appreciate you being here.
So, yes, as part of the project, we're
acquiring all the rideway that would be
necessary for those future ramps on the
southern side of the interchange as well
as that extension on the west end to
connect over to 3200 West or Main
Street. Mhm.
>> That piece won't be built yet, but the
rightway will be there for future
expansion.
>> Awesome. Thank you.
>> Appreciate it. And
>> you guys haven't found any surprise
funding to to make the road real big,
right?
>> The PAC Parkway
>> money hasn't fallen out of the sky yet.
Darn it. We're working on it.
>> We're working on it.
>> Appreciate that.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay.
>> Thanks for the update.
>> Yes.
>> Thanks.
>> Okay, moving on. Uh, number two, annual
report for 4B committee. Matthew,
come on up.
See if I can pull up the pictures for
I'm going to neglect the pictures cuz
>> that's fine.
>> Don't know how to work Zoom.
» All right.
to our council members and people of
PAC. Over the past year, the Forbay
Committee has continued its efforts to
improve, preserve, and promote the
Forbay Trail System. Below, we have a
summary of our key accomplishments.
We hosted a conver conservation easement
celebration at the Forbay trails
recognizing the successful con
conservation partnership and honoring
individuals and organizations whose
efforts helped preserve the forbay area
for the future generations and that was
the Lehigh City Council that joined us.
We secured a park grant funding for a
new trail head, kiosk, and interpretive
signage, which will improve visitor
education, navigation, and overall trail
experience.
Continued community outreach and
education by participating participating
in adventure days, promoting the 4 bay
trail system, conversation, conservation
efforts, trail stewardship, and
volunteer opportunities to residents and
visitors. We coordinated multiple trail
maintenance projects in partnership with
local community groups leading 55
volunteers across 200 plus hour services
to restore trail conditions and prepare
the system increased public use. We
continued planning for future
improvements including the gravel
parking lot project which is currently
on hold with the coordinated with Utah
County Trail Engineering.
We expanded trail am amenities,
accessibility enhancements such as an
all abilities trail wheelchair and
ongoing conservation initiatives. The
Forbay committee appreciates the
continued support of the PAC city
council. We remain committed to
protecting the Forbay area while
expanding opportunities for outdoor
recreation and look forward to another
successful year in collaboration.
Sincerely, the Forbay committee.
Thank you so much.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay. And we'll go ahead and do go to
number three. Uh open the public forum.
There's a little bit of an of a nuance
here. I'm sure that some of you folks
are here to to talk about the Manglesson
annexation and uh also the uh general
plan for the east side.
Uh what uh what I would like to do since
that's on the the agenda that doesn't
allow you to do this in in the public
forum. So uh please do not use the
public forum at this point in time for
that. Although this is not going to be a
public hearing that's already happened.
Uh when it comes to number item number
four and number five, uh we'll have uh
Michael present those to us and then
we'll maybe even have a little bit of
council discussions if any, but then we would like to hear from uh although
we don't have time enough to have to
hear every one of you, I'd like if you
would uh those that to that are against
this, please have a spokesman for you uh
and and then we'd come up and and have
you come up and talk to the the council
and the others here in attendance. We'll do that for roughly three to five
minutes and if there's anybody that is
for that then we'll afford them the same
opportunity.
This this is a little bit out of the
ordinary because we've already had a
public hearing but willing to go ahead
and and do that to to make sure that
your concerns are heard. So, we'll go
ahead and uh with that disclaimer for
the uh uh public forum, we'll like to
hear from those other than the concerns
about the annexation and the zone
change.
Is there anyone would like to address
this in the public forum?
>> Tristan.
Uh, good evening. My name is Tristan
Porter. Um, I am, uh, I was invited here
by Connie Ericson to, uh, talk to you
about participating in something called
the Mayor's Monarch Program. Um, it is a
program that is, uh, run by the National
Wildlife Federation that helps uh, local
governments and communities uh,
participate in uh, butterfly and
pollinator conservation. Um,
sorry, a little bit nervous. Um,
so what it is is, um, you pick three
action items from a list of about 90
items that, um, fit with, uh, the city
goals or policies that you may have. Um,
and then you pledge to, uh, take action
with these three items. Um, and they can
range from anything from
um, like removing milkweed as a noxious
plant if that is in your city
ordinances. It can be creating
pollinator habitat. Um,
which it sounds like you're kind of
already doing with your with your
forbase trail program. Um, it can be uh
just like announcing to the public that
um, monarchs are in danger. They've lost
99% of their population since the '9s.
Um, and there are ways that they can
help. Um, I discovered this program
after I put a bunch of wild flowers in a
dirt patch in my backyard. Um, and I've
just been like talking to my friends
about it, hence uh how I ended up here.
Um, but there are a lot of benefits
beyond just uh preserving a keystone
species. Um about 80 87% of the people
I've talked to have told me that seeing
butterflies uh would improve their
mental health. It would make them
happier. Uh they would be more likely to
spend more time outside and therefore be
more active if there were pollinators
and butterflies around for them to
observe and interact with. um creating
habitat for pollinators um actually can
help um reduce the amount of water a
city uses if you uh plant native plants
that are drought tolerant which um most
of the ones that monarchs require in
Utah um will do that for you. Um
it can have other economic benefits.
Butterflies are actually very um big in
like tourism can if you have enough
Um
and uh involving the community in this
because it is a community project um can
help uh create community cohesion and
give people a sense of pride in the
place that they live as well. Um,
so
I would just uh invite you to learn
about the mayor's monarch program um and
to see if there are any action items
that would fit with uh the city of PAC's
vision for the future. Um and take the
pledge if you are able. Thank you,
>> Tristan. Thank you. Uh Robert or Dave,
could you get her contact info and we
just follow up and see if that's
something we want to put on our radar?
Okay. Anyone else like to come up and
speak with us? So,
Teresa, you wanted to, right?
» Good evening. My name is Teresa Howie
and I represent the Betnique Company of
the Daughters of Utah Pioneers in this
area. And um we have a presentation we'd
like to make to you as the city and a
little bit of history if you don't mind.
Um
I represent my great great great
greatgrandfather
James Pace who founded this city of PAC.
And I did not know that until I moved
here. And it took me a couple years
before I found that out. So, I've done a
lot of research on him and I feel like
we need to let new people coming into
our city know what is the foundation of
our city. So, I'd like to give you just
a very brief history of what he did and
why he deserves to be a little more
publicized.
So, um, James Pace served as a
lieutenant commander in the Mormon
Battalion, and when he got done with
that, he led 50 families and wagons here
to Salt Lake. He had only just res
arrived in Salt Lake in September of 18
um, 51 when Brigham Young said, "Don't
stop here. you're going to go 60 miles
south and you're going to settle on the
Petite Nate Creek and start a community
there because there's this beautiful
valley. So when he arrived, he saw a
valley that was filled with sunflowers,
cottonwoods, aspens, lots of grass, and
it was a very fertile valley and
everyone was so happy to be there after
their long journey.
So they continued to uh settle. They had
16 settlers in that first party that
came. One of them was AJ Stewart and JC
Surl and there with them there were just
16. But Brigham Young continued to send
other settlers to Petite Neat. In March
of 1852, less than a few months later,
Brighgam came and made James Pace
president and Benjamin Cross Bishop. It
was then that Brigham named the
settlement Pac
and his son William. They changed the
spelling from P A C E N to P A Y S O N
because they thought people would
remember it easier.
A petition was sent to the Utah
territory to be recognized as a city.
However, it was not granted until
January 21st of 1853.
At that time, just a few months later,
um James was called on a mission to
England in September of 1852.
And he was gone for three years and
three months, leaving his wife, Lucinda,
who became the first female post
mistress in Utah. And she did that the
entire time that he was gone. After he
came back, um he was a marshall for a
while for PAC and then he had the
opportunity to go to Spring Lake and he
helped build the dam for Spring Lake and
then he later bought land there and
started to farm there. So he rented out
his property here in PAC. Um later after
he just got that all built, he built a
40 room adobe house on Spring Lake which
he shared with uh Benjamin Johnson later
sold it to him and he worked in farming
and businesses and did a lot of things
around here. And then lo and behold,
Brigham Y said, "You're really good in
farming, but I need you to go down to
St. George and start with with cotton
and grapes and rice that we've never had
grown in this land." So he moved to him
his three wives and went down there. He
had a total of 24 children with three
wives. I am a direct descendant of his
first wife, Lucinda Strickland, who was
the first post mistress. Um there are
several descendants that still live here
in PAC with the last name of Pace. I'm
sure you've heard that around. I find
them every once in a while. But we would
like to recognize all the efforts that
started this community that were not
only the sunflowers
as far as you could see but have become
the thriving city of PAC.
This picture
is James Pace and his wife Lucinda.
I owe it to my dear friend Rose Nyman
who works at the family history center
for taking a very blurry black and white
picture that I had and fixing it to be
this beautiful picture that we could be
proud to display in the lobby of the
city building. Uh this is his wife
Lucinda. U she's not in her right frame.
They didn't get the framing done on
that. [laughter] I'd like to say thank
you to Kelly Morris for doing the
framing on this picture down on Main
Street and we are going to make a copy
in our museum here. Um we'd like to put
a sign underneath there which grading
takes a little bit longer than framing
so that is still in process. Um but we'd
like something that would indicate who
he was and what he did and where we
could where people can find out a little
bit more about our beginning history,
which is down the hallway that nobody
knows where it's at. So, we'd like a
little sign maybe to go down the hallway
so that people could come and learn more
about our our our town in the early
days. There's a lot of premium artifacts
in there. And the second thing that we
wanted to call to your attention was I
get a lot of complaints about the
condition of the little cabin out there
on the city lot. It's ugly. Sorry, I
have to say that. But um
>> don't disagree with you.
>> Salt Lake has asked us that we would
find someone who was qualified in as a
contractor. Hello. To evaluate it and
see if it's even worth repairing and how
much that cost would be for us because
us old ladies, we don't know anything
about that. Okay. And then plan B is one
I came up with because uh there's a lot
of wasps out there, but there is a nice
plant and there's a nice stone
fireplace.
If the wood part cannot be fixed, we
could use the rock fireplace to mount
the plaque on and that would be a
monument that would not require the
upkeep that a wood cabin would. So, I'm
we're just open to suggestions of what
maybe the city could help us with. We
plan on going around to all of the DUP
monuments that are in the city, the ones
in Memorial Park here, and wherever else
they are around the outside. And we are
going we're planning on cleaning them
and making them presentable so that
people can read about the history. Um, I
have people every day that ask me if we
have room in our museum to put more
things they would like to donate. We
don't if you've been down there, but if
any of you haven't ever been to our
museum, we'd like to invite you to come
down for a tour because you really Salt
Lake was very impressed with what we
had. So, um that being said, um I'd like
to give you a little memorial just to
remind you of our Pioneer heritage. So,
these are little um Pioneer dolls. Men
won't like them, but give them to your
kids.
>> Thank you. Or kids, whatever.
Thank you.
>> Sorry. Anyway, these are handmade and
they're very easy for children to make.
» So, with that being said, I'd like to
close with this final statement
is preserve our past
more forward so that we can move forward
to our future. They don't know the past.
They're not going to do very well in the
future. So, I appreciate the time you
gave to us.
And if you could let us know about the
cabin, we'd appreciate it. And I am
leaving it up to Steve to mount this.
It's ready to be mounted.
>> Okay.
>> This one we're going to finish framing
it.
>> Can you leave a copy of what you just
read to us?
>> Okay.
>> Robert, will you get her contact
information so I can get back?
>> Thank you.
>> Teresa, thank you so much. You've done
so much work for this and we really appreciate it.
>> You're exactly right. If we don't know
our past, we our future's in question.
>> And Teresa, you know what they say, the
first wife's always the favorite. So,
I'm glad you came from that line.
[crying]
» Is that a precursor, Ryan, of something
to come? [laughter]
>> Better not be. [clears throat]
>> Thank you for your comments.
>> Yes. Thank you so much. It's really neat
to see that picture uh so updated. It's
really cool.
» Okay. Anyone else like to address this
in this public forum?
Okay. Not seeing anyone at this time.
Anybody online, Emily?
No. Okay, we'll move on number four to
staff reports.
Okay, Chief, come on up. Scott.
>> Yep.
>> Chief, what is he? Chief. Chief Scott.
>> Chief Scott.
>> Sounds good. Um, mayor and counselor was
just one of the gave you a little report
um on the fire station. Things are
moving forward. Um we had the permit to
do the grubbing and ground work. Um
they've been bringing in fill to bring
up the the site to a proper elevation.
So we'll be just about a foot higher
than the roads so we don't have to worry
about any flooding or anything. Um
they're going to be putting in starting
Monday, Tuesday time frame, putting in
geops will be quite a few of those. as
we're working to get a pre-construction
meeting um going. There's a couple of
little things they've got to finish on
the site plan um for corrections or
clarifications, but things are moving
forward. Seeing a lot of work um
happening out there for both the station
and also the park area. So things are
looking good. So finally nice to see
some work happening there. So thank you
for all your help on it.
>> So Chief, when when when do you
anticipate expected completion? um once
we get going about a year is what their
time frame is.
>> So, when are we getting going? So,
what's what's your best guess?
>> I'm I'm hoping it'll be done by Labor
Day of next year, but we'll see.
>> Labor Day of next year. Okay.
>> I hope.
>> Okay.
>> Don't hold me to [laughter] it.
>> Be nice to have an open house for
>> It would during Labor Day.
>> So, we're waiting for them to do the the
uh uh site work and the peers and after
they do that, then we'll we'll get a
date for a groundbreaking. Um, but they
want to get that stuff cleared and ready
to go first. Um, we also have to uh cap
a well that went with the home there.
So, it's pretty costly to cap a well,
but um we're getting that done too
hopefully the Friday.
>> Okay.
>> So,
>> thanks Chief.
>> Thank you.
I'll jump really quick and say um
he might talk about this, but Council
Member Rolley and I and uh Sean Black
were able to go and see some really cool technology last week. um uh
cutting edge uh power generation
technology that uh there are very few
times in my life when I felt like oh I I
got to see something really cool that's
going to change uh the way the way
things work in this world and and I got
that opportunity. So uh linear
generation look it up and check it out.
It's really cool. Um
council public we are tminus two weeks
to onion days. Uh, and I just wanted to give a quick plug. Uh, we've been
working really hard to get our concert
all in order. We had an update today and
Aaron Watson will be coming. Uh, the
show is going to be amazing. Um, band
and singer, everything. So, uh, I'd
encourage you all to to put that on your
calendar to attend that at the petite
meet. Uh and then um for those of you uh
I know that Janine gave some marching
orders to sign up for uh the onion days
uh assignments. If you if you missed
that or whatever, uh let me know and I
will we have space for you. I promise.
So uh we're just so excited uh for Onion
Days this year and want to invite the
community to participate in that. So
thanks everybody.
>> Will will the parade route be uh
available? The parade route will be
available. Uh it will be paved and then
work will continue after Labor Day. So
>> I think it's safe to say ho High Water
is not going to stop that.
>> Might be walking through wet asphalt,
but we're doing it.
>> Okay. Any other staff?
having our first.
>> Oh, good. Thank you. It's nice to know.
Okay, we'll move off of staff reports
and go to council reports. We'll start
with council ris. Oh,
>> I didn't see you.
>> Donna's online.
>> That was Donna. Well,
>> Travis is gonna come up, too.
>> Yeah,
>> Donna.
I guess you wait for Travis and then
we'll we won't forget you. Oh, I don't
want to wait for Travis. Just kidding.
>> He's already He's already up to it.
>> Oh,
>> we'll get to you.
>> Uh, mayor and council, it's my great
privilege to introduce you to Joshua
Reed Head. Josh, if you could stand up.
Uh, so tonight we're having you appoint
him as the city engineer. Robert Melanie
and I interviewed him and we made the
offer and he graciously accepted
obviously with the contingent that you
guys approve this position. So, um, he's
a BYU graduate and I didn't hold that
against him with Anders. [laughter]
[clears throat]
>> That's in his favor, tell you.
>> But I don't know if you have any
questions or you want him to come up and
introduce himself. Whatever you guys
want to do, but
>> I know we have an action on him as well.
So,
>> I'd love if he'd come.
>> Come on.
>> Introduce yourself. That'd be awesome.
>> Tell us about your family and who you
are.
Maybe
» everybody has it. It's I have a family,
but [laughter and clears throat] yeah.
Um yeah, I uh born and raised here in
Utah Valley, Springville, most my life.
Um and married a wonderful woman from
Arizona and live here with our four kids
here in Springville. Well, in
Springville, we're renting. We love it
down here, though. and uh um super
grateful for this opportunity. Uh Sean,
one of your linemen, is my
brother-in-law and he uh really
encouraged me to to look into this
position. I I wasn't necessarily
looking, but I'm very grateful um that
he he gave me a little nudge, a few
nudges, and uh uh if it all works out, I
think it'll be a wonderful opportunity
to me to serve the city of Pace. I I'm
in uh private consulting now and there's a whole lot more heart in uh
working working with you guys for for
Pacin City.
>> Um
but yeah, uh that that's me in a
nutshell.
>> Let's exchange that if it works out to
when it works out. It will work out.
>> Thank you.
>> Thanks for being here. Remind us your
name one more time. Uh
>> Josh Reedhead.
Yes, sir. Excellent.
Okay. Thank you.
>> Thank you.
>> Okay.
>> Hi, Mayor. I thought you'd moved on to
the next item. So, that's
>> it's okay. We when we come to that item,
we'll just not worry about calling you
up and we'll we'll make that action.
Okay. Uh, Donna,
>> hey. I just um wanted to let the council
know that our Candace Hope, our um one
of our librarians here, was awarded um
librarian of the month through Bywater,
which is our the support system. It's our system for our catalog and
everything and our website. She um she's
worked really close with them since we
um what's the word? We migrated to them
in 2016 and she was she's been um at the forefront of everything we've
done here at the library technologically
with help. I mean Dale obviously but um
and Jason have been so great but Candace
really carries the the weight of it here
at the library. and she was awarded that
through by water because they've also
highlighted her website several times.
She's just done a really good job and I
just wanted to make sure she got
recognized and she also does the onion
day booklet for anybody who thinks how
great the onion day booklet goes. That
that's that's Candace also. So I just
wanted to make sure she got highlighted
for that. Thanks.
>> Thank you, Donna. That that's wonderful
news to to hear and glad you shared that
with us.
Okay. Any other staff?
If not, we'll move on to council. As I
was stating, we'll go to with council
provos guard.
>> Um
yeah, I I've got a couple things
exciting. Um, I've been working with a
lot of department head, Robert and Dave,
uh, with several projects, several
items, and I'm just I'm just pleased
with the positive,
uh, the way they're willing to help, the
way they're willing to make suggestions
on resources and what have you. So,
you'd pass that on to each of them.
They're just wonderful. Um,
beautifification committee continues to
roll forward. Uh we have another project
if you would like to join us on uh the
29th, Saturday the 29th at 7 a.m. We are
going to tackle
the north interchange
uh weeds.
[laughter] I know uh we're excited to jump in and get that
ready for Labor Day. Uh there is
initiative for all of you that are here
with the beautifification committee that
we are pushing through uh the different
churches not only the LDS church but
we've had contact with all five others
if they reported at beautifification
committee. So uh look for the future of
some some projects uh that we've
identified as a beautifification
committee and as a city council. Uh
we've also sent a letter out to several
residents uh asking that they
uh beautify their yards with with things
that are not in ordinance such as too
many parked cars, uh overgrown noxious
weeds and what have you. We had a report
by the chief that all of the letters
that we sent to the businesses, probably
about 90% of them have done uh something
uh positive and even even the residents
that we've sent letters to there's uh
there's always one or two negative but
for the most part they've been received
very well. So excited to be part of the
beautifification committee and the ideas
and things that they're rolling forward
on. Um
thank you Moss.
>> Um I have a couple things. Um, a couple
weeks ago I had the opportunity to serve
at my third salmon supper and it was
amazing and it was so much fun and the
salmon is the best in the world and met
a ton of people. I even had somebody say
they had just gotten back from Alaska
and had salmon up there and our salmon
was better. Um, just it was just
amazing. It's always amazing to me to
meet so many people that come to that have connection to Pacin in some
way or another and it's an it's a great
community event and I look forward to
the next one. And Chief Spencer, did you
ever find out how much salmon we served?
» Wow. And how many people how many
tickets did we sell?
That's amazing.
And I I just love this tradition. And on
another note, another tradition, Onion
Days, is coming up. And I'm so excited.
And it's just so neat to have have our
founders pictures right here. And I
wonder if they ever even imagined
how much influence Pacin would have and
how how many people have a connection to
PAC and go out into the world and then
come back for things like the salmon
supper or onion days. And it's just an
amazing thing to honor our forebears. So
thank you so much Teresa for doing that.
And that's all I've got.
>> I don't thanks. I don't generally say
anything with when it comes to council
reports, but this time I will because of
our name Pac. Uh I had just happened to
be downtown uh and noticed a husband and
a wife and their daughter enjoying our
main street. Uh and so I approached
them, asked them how how they liked what
we done. They absolutely loved it. They
were from Springville. They had never
been down Main Street before.
And uh so I I talked to him about how
Pacin got its name, James Pace and his
son, and uh told him that story. And it
just so happens,
and I'm I'm glad I stopped and talk to
him, their daughter's name is Pac. They
named her Pac. And they they were glad
to know the history of how that name
came to be. So we are proud of uh our
founder and and our name.
Okay, go ahead.
>> Thanks, Mayor. I want to thank uh all of
the staff and especially the residents
that are here tonight. It's so wonderful
to see a packed house. This is
beautiful. Thank you for coming, for
caring enough about our community to
show up. I'm so grateful for the
Daughters of the Utah Pioneers and for
your work. Uh my grandmother was a was a proud product and believer in that
organization. And so I helped set up
many of tables and chairs as a youth for lunches and dinners for the
Daughters of the Utah Pioneers.
grateful for our pioneer heritage in
this in this valley in this area. Want
to update the the the council and staff
and mayor a little bit on on South Utah
Valley Power Systems. Um we're about to
complete our transmission line through
Spanish Fork and uh just a little
education everyone. We are we are one of
the owners of the South Utah Valley
Power Systems along with Spanish Fork,
Salem, Springville, and Strawberry
Electric District SCSD. Uh so we're having a lot of catching up to do
to provide the needed power to to so
many residents uh that comes from the overusage of uh of us charging
everything now and uh and using so much
power and I'm grateful to see that
project moving forward. As Robert
mentioned, we we traveled and went and
saw some linear generators that uh
Robert truly encapsulated how I felt
too. That was that was one of those
times you sit back and think, "Wow, this
might change the world of of generation.
It can run on any type of fuel without
changing anything. The only there's only
a few wearable parts on it and you could
stand next to this generator and have a
conversation. It was extremely quiet and
uh and it's clean as well. So, this was
a really really neat thing. And so,
we're looking into this. And I will
never promise residents something I I
can't uphold. I I'm not going to sit and
promise you that utility rates will
never go up because that's a fallacy.
But what I can promise you is that we're
doing everything in conjunction with our
power director to make sure that PAC
city power produces enough for our
residents at a very viable rate and and
a rate that we can hopefully sustain and
keep level for years to come as we have
some short-term pain for hopefully some
long-term gain to lever out these level
out these prior these uh these power
costs with this new technology.
So thankful for the salmon supper.
Chief, tell uh tell tell your
firefighters thank you so much for
serving us. That was a hot day. 100°
outside plus the fires and them carting
the fish back and forth. And I'm so
bummed to hear that we sold all those
tickets. They're so hard to get and then
200 people don't show up. Oh my
goodness. We did run out of salmon so we
started serving carp from Utah Lake.
That was a big hit.
>> Don't start that rumor.
>> No, we we had plenty of salmon. It was a great event. as we continue to
grow in pace and it's so important that
we maintain those those kinds of events
the band concerts the salmon supper
onion days to keep our small town flavor
and uh thank you chief for the update on
the fire station and park that's also
coming in next to it and then for bay
committee I'm grateful for your
presentation I love the forbay committee
thanks to the mayor and council for for
helping get that conservation easement
across the line in a hundred years we
can look back and that looks the same as
it does now so thank you all so much
that's all I have Mayor.
>> Okay, Council Smith.
>> Um, I'm going to reiterate some of what
others have said, but this was my first
salmon supper serving and attending.
So, I've said that serving has actually
gotten me more involved in the events of
town. And so, um, but I have to give a
shout out to Lieutenant CPPley of the
police department. Hopefully, someone
can pass it on to him.
I almost passed out a few times. It was
so hot. And he made sure I had plenty of
water and he checked on me and he
offered to come in in his uniform and
serve for me. And so he was just
incredibly awesome that he just made
sure that I was okay. Um
I am excited for onion days and I've
already got my whole calendar full. So I
hope everyone is excited for that.
And then the two things I wanted to
follow up on. Um, have we had any
movement with the Tabitha wave bin
request? Those mattresses outside are
quite aesthetically pleasing.
I would love to know who dropped them.
Yeah. So, that was my first. If we could
get a followup on that. Um, the second
is kind of going back to Ryan's talking
about the power. I am excited about the
UAP's convention to learn more. Um, and
Sean's great at answering things, but
curious where we are of the
information we were going to provide for
residents to kind of break down
everything cuz there was another thing
that came up the other day and I had to
reach out to Sean and we found an
inconsistency of what it's called on the
bills. So, just
>> I think it was in regards to solar,
correct?
>> But then found out everyone's charged
it's named something different on your
bill. So, and then I didn't even it
didn't even pull up on my bill, but it's
built in. So,
>> thanks for following up on that.
>> Um, we've been compiling all all of that
information.
>> Okay.
>> Trying to get all of it
>> in a way that is actually
representational, okay? An apples to
apples comparison because some of the
information that our other sister cities
published maybe put them in a better
light than they really are. So, we're read we're going through all of
that and then we'll update all of you.
>> Okay.
>> Thanks for following up.
>> Yeah. But that's it. So, just thanks to
everyone.
>> Thanks, Lacy.
>> Okay.
We'll go ahead and we'll we won't call
you up, Travis, but this next is
[laughter]
>> okay.
>> I'll apologize. I got you resolution.
>> Two and a half months of doing both
jobs. I got too excited.
>> That's okay.
uh appointment of a new city engineer.
So Tra any any discussion council?
I said not if when. So I I I'll stand
with that.
>> I'm excited for Travis to have another
engineer to geek out with.
>> Oh yeah, it'll be good.
>> That's all.
>> Okay. Unless there's any any more
discussion regarding
>> Just to be clear, this is this is
filling a vacancy. This is not the
creation of a new
>> That's right. Exactly. Yep.
>> Yeah. And a badly needed one. Yes. So,
okay, then I'm ready for a motion on
this item.
>> Mayor, I motion that we approve the
appointment of our new city engineer.
>> Is there a second?
>> I'll second that.
>> Okay, it's been motioned and seconded.
Roll call vote starting with council
guard.
>> Yes.
>> Council Mos,
>> yes.
>> Council Rolley,
>> yes.
>> Council Smith,
>> yes.
>> Welcome.
>> Yep.
>> You're in.
>> Do we need to get a picture? Did you
mention somebody mentioned a picture?
Love a picture. Let's do a picture.
>> Josh, come on up.
You won't be able to see your
>> number
one.
Okay, we'll go on to number two.
Ordinance amendment to the Pace City
Code title 11 chapter 16 cemetery.
Uh Tracy's now who's going to present
that? Dave, you are?
>> Yeah.
>> Yes. Sorry. Tracy was planning on this,
but he had some PGA meetings out of
state, so he asked that we take care of
it. I do have Derek here. Derek, why
don't you come up? Derek's our sexton.
He's put a lot of work into this since
he was appointed uh to that position,
and they've they've
looked at several cities. They've talked
to many of the mortuaries that we deal
with and tried to make our ordinance uh
better representative of how the how we
do business down there. I don't know if
you have anything to say on the
contents, but and and you've had it in
your your packet if you've had a chance
to read it, but we're we're we're
renaming a baby land to what was that? I
just forgot.
Um,
>> Angelard,
>> Angel Yeah,
>> Angel Gardens.
We're just updating how
we do things. We're We're hoping in the
next year or so to have a a cremation
wall uh to to help um the residents that want to do that. So, so I feel like
the biggest part of what we did here was
there was a lot of of monument companies
when they brought stones. There was
issues of how and when and where they
put them. We just made it simplified for
them and we're trying to make it
simplified for them of of paying online
as well as like when when to meet and
all that. So, a lot of the ordinance
stuff change was more to like for the
headstones and more for the the skirts
of the headstones more for
more to help the community as well.
There was a few few times that like
someone wanted to build a headstone and
it wasn't up to what they wanted. So we
expanded it a little bit, made it so
that they could get what they wanted is
basically what we did with with the
ordinance. So
>> yeah, and as I read through it, it
looked good. And I I think it gives you
some some autonomy to work with families
as well, which is which is really good.
And also streamlining of of making it
simpler as these families are grieving
already. I'd hate for the cemetery to be
one more thing they have to worry about
and stress out about. So I was glad to
see this is streamlined, made easier for
everybody. And we have we have updated
Bobby has been working [snorts] hard.
She's she's she works part-time in the
front office. They would love to have
her full-time, but she's been working on
updating and and people can come in,
take every get everything done. They
they'll meet with Derek, but then all
the payments are run through the front
office here and Bobby and it just it
streams like streams lineing things and
makes sure that we don't have any issues
that way. So, our recommendation, if the
council's comfortable, is to adopt the
amendments to the sanitary ordinance.
>> Can I Oh, I was just going to say, is
there any discussion?
>> I was going to ask just really quick.
Um, on the abandonment of rights, then I
know it referenced a Utah code section.
>> I'll be honest, I didn't look it up, so
I just thought I'd ask really quick.
>> Do we reach out to the people before
like it's abandoned? So what I
understand, so that that's our biggest
thing is yes, we we aspect like all all
resources to try to find who who it
belongs to. And we've from what I from
what I understand, we've never ever done
that really.
>> Okay.
>> It hasn't ever really been done. There
is some issues with the old section of
the cemetery. There are there are some
records that are lost. Um, that's where
Bobby would be a huge benefit to our
team is because there's there's old
records that she's going through.
There's unknowns out. [clears throat]
We have names. It sounds bad, but
they're out in the street and we're
trying to bring them into the old
section of the cemetery.
>> Oh, wow.
>> Because they are there. We just don't
know where. And so, we've actually found
some records through the county. So,
we've been we've been working on a lot
of that. So, there's there's some
>> history with the the cemetery that that
I don't want to mess with the old until
we absolutely know 100% who's there,
where they're at,
>> and that. So,
>> and and I'm guessing this is not a
unique problem.
>> It's not it's it's universal across all
cemeteries because because the way that
like I've talked to dozens of and back
in the day, their record keeping wasn't
great, wasn't perfect. Um, during the
Great Depression, people would put
people into the ground and they would
accidentally dig them up because they
didn't know they were there. So, there's things that happened in
cemeteries that we're trying to do our
best to find that.
>> Okay.
>> Where Bobby would be a huge asset to our
team. So,
>> okay,
>> she is a huge asset.
>> That's something we can consider.
>> Yeah, we're looking at that with the the
next budget year. But,
>> yep. But under the state code, there's
there are specific provisions you have
to do. If if you can't locate them, you
have to publish in the paper. And
there's there's ways to try to give
notice before you take action and take
those back.
>> Okay. That that was my biggest thing,
especially when it came to like the
family plot areas. And it just kind of
popped in my head like,
>> oh, that would be horrible if you
someone bought it and then it's gone.
And so, okay.
>> Okay. Any other discussion?
Okay.
>> Okay. Lacking any other discussion, I'm ready for a motion on on this
ordinance.
>> Mayor, [clears throat] go ahead.
>> Mayor I motion that we approve the
amendment to the Pacin City Code Title
11 Chapter 16 City Cemetery.
>> I'll second.
>> I have a motion and seconded. Roll call
vote. Starting with council Smith.
>> Yes.
>> Council Rowling.
>> Yes.
>> Council Moss.
>> Yes.
>> Council Postgard.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Wonderful. Motion carries.
Moving to number three, public hearing
resolution adopting the amended pace and
city fee schedule regarding cemetery
fees.
>> This part, this is a a proposal to amend
uh the fees for the the sal lots. Um
Tracy and Bobby
um and and Derek
I'm trying to move this just for the
council's um information went through a
lot of the cities in Utah County about
what they charge. Um
and so I don't know if you've had a ch
Well, this wasn't in your packet but
here's Pacin City in the blue for a
single lot residence 800 non-residents
12. You go over to Santa Quinn, it's 8
and 2,000. Salem is 1,00 to 2500.
Spanish Forks anywhere from a,000 to,400
up to 16 to 2,000. You go across
Springville.
Um, Pac and Mapleton are probably some
of the lower ones. Um, but it's the one
that stood out that that
Derek and he can speak to this is the
non-residents
are very low compared to what other
cities are doing. And it sounds like
we're getting a lot of people
non-residents coming here because it's
so cheap.
>> Yeah. So, it's a huge like since I've
been in this position, I've kind of seen
that the the non-residents fee is one of
the lowest. And so, we do we get a lot
of people that are from other cities,
even Salt Lake, even somewhere like
because their fees are so heavy up there
that they come down here.
I I I speak highly of the cemetery, but
it's probably one of the most prettiest
cemeteries in Utah County. If you if you
travel cemeteries, it is one of the most
pristine, well taken care of, maintained
cemeteries. You can go to Spanish, you
can go to Sanwin. We put a high standard
on it. We really do. We care a lot. So,
I I just feel like if if you want to be
buried in PAC cemetery and you're a
non-resident, you should probably pay
equal or somewhat close to other cities
non-resident.
>> Y I I have one question about that. Uh
as I looked at this uh my mind
immediately went to people that were
born and raised here in PAC were
educated
um through the school system and then
moved away because of employment and now
wants to come back here to be buried.
Do we treat them as non-resident? Do we
treat them as a resident?
Good question.
>> We we have treated them as non-resident
if they've moved and that's that's
tough. I I know when I've had discussion
with Tracy and Derek, I don't know if
you've had that discussion too. It's
some cemeteries now a lot of you still
do the resident non-resident. Some
cemeteries are going away from that.
Just put it like in the middle because
so [clears throat] you don't have that
argument. some people that have lived
here their whole life but have to go to
a a care center in another town
>> or some that have never been a resident
and all of a sudden come here. There's
just
he likes the idea of of just making it
one rate for everybody, but I know that
there's a there's a reason to have to
have your residents have a better break.
So, we didn't recommend that.
>> I think it's important too we give the
section that autonomy to make some of
those calls. And also I think I think
too with with someone that's lived here
for years and years and only moved away
to go to a care facility, I would
absolutely call them a resident. And I
hope we are.
>> And we do.
>> Um we do usually on those if they're at
a care facility for x amount of years,
we do. And they've been living here, we consider them a resident for sure.
>> What I tell people is so I'm I'm a
Spanish for boy raised in Spanish for
guess what? I'll probably not be buried
in Spanish for so I feel like I'll
probably be buried in PAC because now I
become a PAC resident. I married a girl
from PAC. So I feel like the benefit of
living here paying and you know if you
move away like I moved away from Spanish
for I I doubt I mean I spent my dad was
a teacher there for 32 years. They're
not going to give me a non-resident fee.
I mean they will give me a non-resident
fee. So I feel like to give the
residents that live here that that's kind of where where I'm at.
>> So
>> well it's it's it's expensive to run a
cemetery and when we have to replace you
know add to the cemetery it costs a lot
of money.
>> Yeah.
>> Can I ask why? Um I I understand the
raising of prices. I get that. the one
that kind of gave me a little like
the increase on the infant one. I felt
like it was
>> it went up 250 versus others didn't go
up as much. And also like I don't know
anything about cemeteries other than
what I you know going but I guess like
to me I'm like it's a smaller plot like
and I couldn't imagine having to go pay
I guess
>> it is negotiable. It is 100%. Um, I feel
like most most of the time what happens
with infants, so you're aware, is
they're buried on top of grandparents.
And so with that, all they pay is um an
opening closing fee.
>> Okay.
>> So that's the majority of what I've
seen. But yeah, like I said, it's
negotiable because even the the
veterans, it didn't it didn't move
because when I got in there, I didn't
understand why the veterans were paying
$50 more. In my world, I'm like, they're
veterans. they served our country. So, I
left I left the veterans at 850. And as
for infants, I I'm not opposed to to
keeping that at the same price.
>> I guess that was just my biggest is that
I I I wouldn't want to add an extra fee
to a family that I mean, any death is
obviously
not a great thing to go through, but an
infant, I couldn't like that's just as a mom, I saw that and
just thought, why is it so much more of
an increase? And so
>> yeah, I I thought the same thing, Lacy,
and I'd like to see the infant cost
right around $400 if we were going to
raise it and no higher than that.
>> Yeah.
>> So, say that again.
>> $400 on the infant fee rather than uh
the 600.
>> The 600 what's currently what it
currently is. They want to
>> Well, the 850 is the green. Yeah. Well,
let's let's say go down then. Let's go.
>> You want to leave it at 600 or
>> 600 or even go less? Because if you look
at the rate, we're we're increasing the
uh the the the resident rate from 800 to
a,000.
>> You know, I that that's
>> 20%.
>> That's expensive, too.
>> But I see the cost and we're still one
of the cheaper, but
>> yeah, I would just like to keep the
infinite at least where it's at.
Personally, it's
>> I agree.
>> Just a So, do you want to keep it at the
600? Is that what it is right now? I
mean, I do like Ryan's thing, but I I
think that the 600 is more is better
than 850. So, yes, I that's fine.
>> I thought the the previous slide showed
that our infant rate was like 250.
>> That's the open and close, I think.
Right.
>> That's the open and close.
>> Okay.
>> Yeah.
>> And like I said, majority since I've
been in the majority of the time,
infants are usually buried on top of
grandparents.
>> So, they wouldn't have to buy a separate
lot.
>> They wouldn't have to buy a separate
lot. pay the open and close.
>> So that's if they buy the entire lot,
the plot.
>> So on this new one though, it crosses
out the resident infant and just leaves
it at the 550 and a,000. Can we
not do that under the open and close
single? It's crossed out.
>> Oh, that's like
>> is that you're trying to get rid of
that? bury me really really deep so my
grandkids and their spouses can be
>> does that do you see that
>> under under the open and close right
there the resident infant and non-infant
and the resident veteran is crossed out
like it's with a line of through it
>> so are we
out
>> yeah that's a good good thought
>> okay because I didn't know if we were
just
>> I think Kathy that you've you've got
something to add don't you
>> I didn't know if we were making it all
the same price for open and close.
>> Sorry, I'm not trying to make it
complicated.
>> It's crossed out. That's old rate. It's
either new language or we just
eliminate.
>> Okay, so it would be nothing because in
the green it's nothing.
>> 250 and 350 to open close, but we put
zero here,
>> right? We eliminated that.
>> Okay. So,
>> so if it's a infant open and close, they
will not be charged,
>> right? That's my understanding. Yeah. or
would they be ch charged the same rate
>> or are they going to be charged the same
rate as an adult? That's what I was
>> worried about.
>> And I can't tell you on that.
>> Can we verify that?
>> Yeah, this was how it was handed to me.
So, I'm assuming that they don't charge
for that. Is that why
>> question? I don't know. I maybe it's the total, but we can we can
definitely look at that.
>> Okay. So, if we approve this, can we
like put that?
>> Maybe uh if it's not too much trouble,
maybe we just send this back and you
guys
>> You want to bring it back? Let's look
through this.
>> Keep the infant the same and then uh
>> figure out the not the open and close.
>> Okay. So, the direction is to to keep
the
>> the uh the same as it was and then we
got to check on the
>> figure out the resident veteran and the
infant open and close. Yeah.
>> Okay. I think that's a good table.
>> Okay.
>> I have one question really quick. So,
when someone is cremated, where do we
put them now?
in a regular plot
>> almost the same thing. So, so what we do
with a regular plot is we sell it but we
also allow them to divide it up into
cremation has become more and more a
popular thing.
>> So like he said I we I would love to see
niche walls put in.
>> My goal is to get niche walls. Um, so as
of right now, most of the time they will
buy a full plot.
>> Mhm.
>> And then there's four places for four
cremations as well as as an infant like
so. So so we divide a plot into four,
but I almost make people dedicate them
to a cremation plot or I require a vault
for the cremation in case a traditional
because realistically a traditional can
go in the ground
>> and then three can go on tops.
>> Okay,
>> if that makes sense. Yeah.
>> So that's that's what we're seeing a lot
of is is people families, they all know
that they're going to be cremated. So
they'll buy one plot and then we've just
been dividing it.
>> If we have a wall, it'll it'll save save
area.
>> And they project by 2030 that like
anywhere from about 30 to 40% of people
are going towards cremations. So it's a
huge thing. So with the with the infant
one, I would like to also like I mean
future planning, I would like to have
like an infant area as well as the
cremain's area because as as the
cemetery sits now, there's an area in
the old section where there was infants.
It got full then we just moved it to
another section. I would love to have a
dedicated area just for infants,
>> like an infant garden where it's
beautified with the niche wall. That's
that would be my my
>> I say you come back with a with a
proposal.
>> A lot of cities have that. A lot of
cities have like a designated area for
infants and cremations and they're there
kind of be put together and beautified
and there it's
>> there's benches there.
>> Yeah, it looks really nice. So So my
goal is a sexton that's that's
>> as the future that's what I'm pushing.
>> Bring us back your your design your idea
and let's do it.
>> And thank you for changing the name of
where the infants are too. I I got a lot
of push back from especially women in
the city that they were like baby horns.
>> Yeah. I don't like I didn't like that
either.
>> So So I I talked to a bunch of other
cemeteries and just got some ideas of
what they did. That's kind of the
direction we went.
>> Okay. So there's no need for us to do a
public hearing at this point in time if
it's going to come back up for tableing.
>> We need a motion to take
>> It is set as a public hearing. If you
want to open a public hearing in case
people want to
>> Okay.
>> Because it's scheduled for tonight.
>> We'll go I'll I'll take a motion to open
a public hearing. So moved.
>> Second.
>> Okay. Roll call vote starting with
council
>> Smith.
>> Yes.
>> Council Helet.
>> Yes.
>> Council Rolley.
>> Yes.
>> Council Moss.
>> Yes.
>> Council Pos.
>> Okay. Uh the motion carries. Uh we'll
open up a public hearing on this item.
>> Please step to the mic if you'd like to
talk with us and speak clearly. Remind
your your time limit would be right
around three minutes. Uh and whether you
agree or disagree with the information
that we've pre had presented to us. So
we'll go ahead and and and the other
thing is to identify yourself as well.
So we'll go to that point.
Not seeing anybody would like to take
advantage of the public hearing. I'll
accept a motion to close it.
>> Hang on. Oh, no. We have Oh, come on up.
I'm sorry.
>> I looked down on my paper too quick.
>> I just have a question. Um, I'm an
archaeologist and much of our work has
to do with cemeteries in understanding
the culture of the people who inter
their their loved ones. Are there
different rates for the place in the
cemetery where people purchase pots?
>> No.
>> Okay. Simple. Good
>> name, too.
>> Connie Ericson.
Okay.
>> Beloved Connie Ericson.
>> Thank you, Connie.
>> Anyone else?
>> [clears throat]
>> Okay, not seeing anyone. I'll accept a
motion to close the public hearing. So
moved.
>> Second.
>> Oh, we got two seconds. Okay.
>> And can have it.
>> And you've got it. Okay. Roll call vote.
Council provos guard.
>> Yes.
>> Council Moss.
>> Yes. Council
>> Willie.
>> Yes.
>> Council Plet.
>> Yes.
>> Council Smith.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> And I make a motion to table it now
until
>> Please do. I would make a motion that we
table the [snorts] adoption the the
adoption to amend pace and city fee
schedule regarding se cemetery fees uh
until staff can review the proposed
>> a second
>> and you we have a motion been second
>> and I'll second adding that yeah we look
at um clarifying the fee schedule
including for veterans and then also uh
not raising the infant lot rate but
>> okay with your motion it's great but
will you defer
Okay. [laughter]
>> Oh, yeah. You don't have your microphone
on. It's not real.
>> I heard it.
>> Okay. Good. We have a motion been
seconded. Uh roll call vote starting with council
Smith.
>> Yes.
>> Council, yes.
>> Council Roelly,
>> yes.
>> Council Moss,
>> yes.
>> Council Provoscar,
>> yes.
>> Okay. Thank you. The motion.
>> We'll bring it back to next the next
meeting.
>> Okay. These next two, ladies and
gentlemen, have to do with the uh uh
Manglesen zone change on the e east side
comprehensive plan. So, what we will do,
we'll have Michael come up and talk
about both of them and then uh after he
talks about both of them, then we would
like to have uh what we had talked about
some for or some against. Give you some
time there. uh whether we do that before
council discussion or after we can we
can play with that a little bit but
we'll go ahead and list then we'll have
to do each one of these separate but go
ahead Michael
thanks mayor um
so this is two requests tonight uh first
is a general plan amendment to the east
side comprehensive plan which is um a
specific area plan of the city and
thereby an addendum to our general plan.
Second request is for a zone change if
the general plan amendment is approved.
And the zone change would be we'll
discuss that in a few minutes. Uh to
give you some context of the area, I
think most everybody knows where we're
talking about, but here's a little map
zoom in of the area. You can see the uh
mouse cursor there. That is uh just
north of that. You can see it's 10300 in
the county or 100 south in PAC and to
the east of that that's 1300 east in PAC
and I can't quite read that 2300 west.
>> Um okay
so um like I said there's two approvals
being sought tonight. one for an
amendment to the eastside comprehensive
plan from the active living designation
to the traditional designation. Um and
then the second request is for the R19
residential zone change. Uh so city
council's role tonight would be either
approval or denial of both of these
requests. Uh this has formerly gone to
the planning commission. They had a
public hearing there. They uh received
much public comment both in person and
emailed and written. Uh we read those
comments into that public hearing. Uh
council, I believe you've seen those
comments and you've probably uh
witnessed and watched that um that
public hearing. Uh staff's role in this
situation would be if these approvals
were granted tonight, then staff would
do any of the subdivision and site plan
processes associated with development in
this area.
So necessary approvals for for what's
being asked tonight. The only thing
that's being asked for is the amendment
to the east side comprehensive plan and
the zoning amendment. There's other
possible approvals that have not yet
been applied for. One of them including
the uh RMO two family overlay. The other
would be subdivision applications and
building permits.
A little bit about public comments. Uh
as I said, they they were quite
extensive. There's definitely a lot of
interest in this area and a lot of uh
concerned citizens. Um,
I'm not going to read public comments. I
do have the comments from the meeting
minutes if you want to talk about any of
them or if you have any questions of
them. But for the most part, comments
centered around these bulleted topics of
growth, infrastructure, neighborhood
stability, safety, parking, uh, property
values, agricultural land taxes,
wildlife, and
things related to those topics.
Uh, a little bit of history here. So,
the initial application, the applicant
requested an amendment to the ESI
comprehensive plan. Essentially, they
wanted to remove the active living
designation from the east side
comprehensive plan so that they wouldn't
have that restriction of a 55 plus
community, but they could build any kind
of residential development. And then
they requested a zone change to the R110
zone and the uh RMF-15.
uh staff recommendation after receiving
this application from the applicant uh
recommended the district designation in
the east side comprehensive plan and a
zone change to that R110
with the RMF in the range of six to
eight units to the acre. Uh planning
commission held their public hearing and
their u meeting. planning commission uh
made the determination they felt as if
the district would be a good
designation. Um and this is a difficult
situation because they had to vote on
one before the other. So they voted on
this this district and then they decided
they felt as if the R19 zone would be an
appropriate uh zone change. um coming
back around. Uh staff and the applicant
discussed after this planning commission
meeting and felt as if um the
traditional designation fits better with
the R1 R19 zoning designation and so
that's why we're differing in a
recommendation on the plan. Uh and then
the zone change recommendation is the
same as what was proposed by planning
commission.
So now um we'll just talk a little bit
about the east side comprehensive plan
and the request to the traditional
designation.
Um so these are um this is language
right out of the plan of what active
living is and uh in blue that's in the
general plan not the east side plan of
what this area would entail if the
general plan was followed. And then fi
finally the last one is the district.
This is in the east side comprehensive
plan as well. Uh providing a kind of a
definition of what that would entail for
future development. So I'm not going to
read those unless you have questions
about them.
>> Michael, can I ask a question? Uh on the
east side comprehensive plan, the active
living, no density is identified. That
phrase is quite frightening. Um, if it
stays active living, uh, could it be as
dense as what we see, uh, not too far
away from that of high-rise, um, 55 plus
apartments?
>> No. Uh, because that that needs a
different zoning designation for that
and then a different overlay designation
for that. Um, it would be more like
Heritage Village or I can't remember the
name of the place across from 198, but
there's Mountain View Estates.
>> Yes, Mountain View. I believe there's
twin homes and like some some single
level town home type development there.
>> It does say designed for singlestory,
>> but then it says,
>> right? It's kind of
>> Yeah, there's there's some interesting
language about the apartments.
>> Yeah, that's some vague language that uh
leaves uh some unanticipated loopholes I
believe
>> with density of active living itself.
>> Other questions on this page?
Well, the district includes it says
tasteful multifamily developments will
be available. So that can that has a
wide range as well,
>> right? And I think that's intentional in
that case.
>> But the the purpose of this is not to
designate as district, correct? But
rather traditional.
>> The original the original recommendation
of staff was the district based off of
the what staff felt was uh a reasonable
amount of density there. And so that's
why we we said that because of the uh
six to eight units of the acre plus the
single family homes, they could all fit
in a similar designation such as a
district. But the recommended change for
tonight is the traditional instead of
the district.
Uh here's the uh portion of the
definition from traditional in the east
side comprehensive plan and then the
district's just shown here again to just
kind of compare and contrast those two.
So, um, traditional is is typically, um,
I don't want to say large lot, but I
would say medium-sized lot homes. Um,
traditional sized homes, and it gives
some neighborhoods here as kind of a
reference of what those look like in
size and and neighborhood appearance.
Any thoughts or questions on this page?
Okay.
So staff recommended traditional
to the planning and zoning planning and
zoning.
>> No. No. Staff recommended district
and uh planning commission felt as if
the R19 zone was more appropriate, but
they voted on the plan before they voted
on the zone change. And so they they
voted on district first. So it's a
little confusing, but yes, that's that's
why there's a discrepancy there. So, in
the traditional, we're voting
to have it be traditional. Is that what
we're
>> That is That is the request tonight.
Yes.
>> Okay. And that would that include just
the single family homes and twin homes?
Would that allow twin homes or would
that
>> it it allows for an overlay?
>> Well,
it doesn't it doesn't get that specific.
>> Okay.
>> It traditional just talks about um
traditional single family home
development. Um, if the R19 zone was and
zoning is different than these
designations in the plan, that's kind of
>> so zoning would allow for an overlay.
>> But if the R19 was, and we'll get to
that, if the R19 was approved, then that
has another opportunity for an applicant
to come in and request that twin homes.
So I put in here a few suggested uh
recommendations with staff's recommend
recommendation for uh motions here. This
and the next topic of the zone change.
There can be any number of motions here.
So don't feel like you're pigeonhold
into any of these because these these
are legislative actions and you've have
a lot of broad authority of how you want
to interpret and and make a decision
here.
So, I'll continue on. This is the end of
the east side comprehensive stuff. We'll
go into the zone change stuff and then
we kind of summarize at the end.
So, the second request, um, this is
contingent upon the plan amendment is a
zone change request to the R19
residential zone.
Giving you some context right now.
>> Are you moving on to the the zoning now?
So, we're not going to vote on these.
I'm just giving you the whole
presentation and then there'll be
separate motions to to make but and we
can
>> I've got slides in here that you can
just see the suggested motions of each
one separately. So,
>> okay. Thanks, Michael.
>> Um, so currently right now that little
uh red highlighted area is what the area
is zoned the R1A. And it looks like I
didn't put in all of the classification
for R1A, but that's essentially a one
acre lot uh intended for uh small
agricultural uh purposes, things of that
nature. And uh much bigger than what's
anticipated both in the east side
comprehensive plan and in the general
plan. And so that's the current zoning
for the area right now. Uh this is the
recommendation is the R19 zoning for the
entire parcel there.
Uh talking about a little bit about R19
versus R110 because I know a lot of the
public uh voiced opinions about R110
versus R19. And so that's what is here.
Uh R19 is blue, R110 red. Uh essentially
they're very very similar. Um R19 the
minimum lot size is 9,000 whereas the
R110 is 10,000 square feet. Uh the
minimum frontage is 90 ft versus 100 ft.
The setbacks are identical between the
two. Um accessory apartments would be
allowed in both zones. That's state law.
Uh and we have a little bit of
stipulation. And so our stipulation is
they have to be a minimum of 6,500 foot
lots to even be considered for an
accessory apartment. The only
significant difference in staff's
opinion is the RM1 twin family overlay
is possible in the R19 zone and not in
the R110 zone. Any questions on this?
>> So why did we pick the R19 instead of
the R110?
>> Uh planning commission made that
recommendation.
I think the idea was to leave the
opportunity open for the applicant to
consider the twin family overlay.
» Legislatively, we we could go for the
R19,
but in the future, we could deny the
overlay.
>> Correct.
>> Yep, that is correct. Y
>> or we could just questions we could approve the R110
and not worry about the overlay.
>> You could do that as well.
>> Um again some the staff recommended
motion as well as u three other possible
motions here.
Few more slides here just to give you
some context. So, other approvals,
um, like I said, the R120
two family overlay is a possibility with
the R, uh, one N zone.
Uh, the other approvals, they're grayed
out because those are administrative and
they have have not been applied for. So,
they couldn't be applied for until
these approvals have been granted,
whether it's the RMO, whether it's the
zone change, what have you. Um, if
nothing is granted, then the only thing
that could essentially be done at this
time would be um oneacre lots. So, any
questions on this?
A little bit about the RMO uh one two
family overlay. uh staff would recommend
it be a separate application made um if
there's any desire um by the applicant
to consider that um if any RMO2 family
overlay is considered now or in the
future then staff would recommend only a
portion of this area be uh designated
with that RMO overlay and not the
entirety of the parcel.
Uh so this is kind of comes back around
to final recommendations is uh the
traditional designation in the east side
comprehensive plan and then the zone
change to the R19. So I'll just leave it
at that. We do I do have at the end here
um just those same recommended um
possible motions. So
>> Michael, can you go back to one of the
maps that shows the bigger area
» like this one? Yes,
>> sure. Um, just so I can get a feel of
what the rest of the area might look
like in the future to the east, that big
port, you know how there's that yellow
square kind of juts out between the
orange and that yellow next to the R,
what's labeled R19? Do we know what
that's going to be?
>> Yeah, it's in the plan. Do you have the
plan pulled up handy, Michael? That we
>> I don't have the plan readily available.
Which yellow are you talking about? So
that that part that juts out.
>> Oh, down here.
>> Yeah, that
>> so
>> right above it.
>> Right.
about where this blue line is, it
goes across to about where my text is.
And that
>> and that R1A portion, that's the light
yellow. All of that is the active
living.
>> And then from there going eastward goes
to um I can't remember the name. I think
it's the district is what it goes to
from there and it wraps around where
1500 East is
>> going on both sides of 1500 East and
then up toward 198.
>> But that also could change where we're
going to be re-evaluating the general
plan.
>> That could change with with the general
plan amendment.
>> But as of right now,
>> as of right now, that's those are how
those are. And and just keep in mind
both the Eastside comprehensive plan and
the general plan are advisory documents.
we generally want to follow them but
that it's not required to follow them.
>> So basically that whole chunk between
the orange and that yellow part jutting
out is all active living or it just goes
straight across from the
>> just to about where my text starts in
that white box.
>> Does it touch that square that juts out?
>> No, it's it's about from where this is
right here and comes comes across like
that.
>> Okay.
Do you have that?
So, Robert has that east side plan if
you want to see that.
>> Yeah, that'd be good.
» That hurts the eyes, but you can see so
the light really light blue, that's the
active living. Uh you can see the
subdivision just to the south of it.
That's kind of where the the edge of the
applicant's request is is the very
corner of that subdivision. So, there is
the little bit of uh active living
that's untouched with this request and
then there's the rest of the active
living that goes uh east of 1300 East
there. Okay.
» Some of these things are different
obviously. For example, Nebo School
District doesn't own all of that
property anymore. It's a smaller
portion. So,
>> so obviously a lot of time and effort
went into this East Side comprehensive
plan and uh you know, we're always
harping to to stick with the plan and so
if we were going going to make a change,
I think we need to make sure we make a
change for the better. Uh this area does
in fact have a lot of 55 and older uh
housing already. Uh we just need to
decide if uh if we want to continue to
allow more of that. uh that that would
be dense uh like by the temple the
heritage village area um or if we want
to allow for for something else
and I've often talked about especially
lately the need for
single level single level living for our
older community.
Just thoughts just thinking out loud.
>> Well, it also doesn't change all of it
as of right now. like there still would
be
>> two sections. I mean,
>> and and just just to make note, um 55
plus communities can go anywhere anyway.
>> This is just an area in this plan that
was identified because of the proximity
to doctor's offices and the hospital and
things like that. So, it's not like it's
it can only go here.
I think it'd be advantageous though, if
we're going to change that little
sliver, it would leave those those two
on each side. uh uh left the same. I
think it would be nice to have one
continuous zone there as we re-evaluate
the east side comprehensive plan.
» Okay. Is that your presentation on both
of them? Michael?
>> Yes. Unless you had any other questions.
>> Any other questions, council? Because
the next step will go is to have someone
that is designated to to talk about for
or against. So,
>> I just have one question. And um if we
so we talked maybe about expanding that
to include all that area so you don't
have 55 and older in that whole area.
Would since it the public hearings for
one those three parcels we'd have to
have another public hearing to do that
right.
You're talking about for example that
small piece that's R1A right there and
the PE part to the west
>> right. Um,
>> yes, we would. We would
>> I think it would I think it would be
good form, but no, you don't actually
have to have another hearing for that
because council can make an amended
motion so that you could, for example,
say we're going to designate all of that
55 plus active living to something else.
>> I think that'd be better to do with ju
just worrying about the applicant
tonight.
>> Well, it just looks weird. Right. But as
we reevaluate the east side
comprehensive plan of of looking at that
and holding the proper public hearing
>> and just because it's not called for
doesn't mean we don't have to do it.
>> Right.
>> Okay. That we good?
>> I'll go ahead and uh there's a there's a
few things I'd like to say prior to to
go ahead and and let someone come up and
talk.
I guess maybe I'm I'm patting ourselves
on the back. We don't have to do this,
ladies and gentlemen. and we hear it all
the time that we don't listen. I want
that to go away because we do listen. We
don't have to have that's this has
already been uh discussed at the agnosia
in some ways but uh and it's at a public
hearing but uh we want to make sure that
your your voices are heard. Uh, and the
other the other thing I'd like to to
mention here too is uh when it comes to
subdivisions like this, we we do have
the the power that uh we can do
different zoning areas for the city,
we've got to be very careful. don't want
to be afraid of the state, but we got to
be careful with the state because there
are those in the state government that
would like to take that power away from this the cities and do a statewide
overlay and then they would control
where it goes and the density that it
goes to. Uh we've already been uh and it's really upset me and Robert
because we're in the meeting. We've
already been designated as a bad actor
city because we didn't want some of the
things that the state was really would
like to push. So, and the reason I'm
saying this is because we do listen to
you. But that sometimes there's things
that you don't understand or don't even
know that we have to respond to. But uh
I just wanted to uh to mention that uh
as we as we sit here and listen to
either pro or con, please keep their
demeanor uh in the appropriate
uh way. Uh as as we have someone come up
here, whether it be for uh in favor of
or against it, please don't after they
get done, please don't clap. uh we kind
of expect that when we like things, but
this is a city meeting and that's part
of the demeanor I'm talking about. If
you if you would do that, please. So,
what I would do at this point in time,
if there's anyone uh and I would like to
start with with for this uh u action, if
there's anyone here that would like to
speak for this action, please
come up and and address us.
doesn't surprise me. Well, come on up.
Yeah.
Good. Representative the planning
commission.
>> Yes.
>> Kurt Beecher. Um, planning commission.
But the reason the planning commission
went with R19 versus the R110 and the
RMF1 is that we didn't like the density
of the RMF-1.
And we wanted a buffer between the R110
that's already to the south and west and
the much higher density to the north and
northeast. And so we went with something
that was
middle of the road. It wasn't it wasn't
the higher density of the ARM F1 and it
wasn't the
um lower way low or lower density of the
ARM R110. So that was part of the the
discussion and that's the reason we went
with R19.
>> Can you
>> we didn't know about the traditional or
we would have gone that way. Okay.
>> When we were talking so that that was we
were given the district as the option
and we didn't know the traditional.
So,
>> thank you for that.
>> It was a very long meeting.
>> It was a long meeting. We had quite a
discussion with the rest.
>> Understand. Thank you.
>> Anyone else would like to
pro or con?
>> I'm pro.
>> Okay, that's fine. I just wanted to make
sure.
>> Okay.
>> I'm Jimmy Degraphen and I'm actually
representing the the Manglesen property.
Um I our whole intent on this really I
guess should I address the um the change
first or the zoning? I mean the
>> well both go ahead and do it's just like
it is presented to us.
>> Okay. Uh our thinking on changing it
from the 55 and older is just simply
it's not really selling in that area.
There's another subdivision that's been
over there for a while. They've sold I
don't even know if they've sold. They
started two or three homes on it. Uh we
feel like the one that was down by the
temple did really well. Uh but it took a
long time and it looked really nice. And
then I look at what I do for a living,
which is I mean I I have two different
home companies, home building companies.
One's upperend homes that does a million
and a half plus and and one that does
lowerend homes. Um, and in our lower-end
homes, we actually have uh a lot of our
second biggest customer in the lower-end
homes is people that are in their 60s,
and they're not wanting to live
necessarily in a 55 and older community.
And now that I'm 54, I don't want to
live in a 55 and older community either.
So, I mean, that used to seem old. Now,
it doesn't. So, um, so that was really
as simple as it was on that. We just
felt it might be better for the um area
in general. As far as the the uh zoning,
we just looked at the hospital to the
side. It's kind of a commercial area. We
looked at the millions of homes. It
feels like that's on the other side
that's just uh uh that's sitting there.
And we said we just want to create a
transition. Uh and in every city that I work in, we we try to create
transitions. We don't uh you know we
don't go from zero to 100. You know it's
just we go in there and we try to try to
make it so everything fits. We uh um you
know we found that we have a hard time
selling single family homes, nicer
single family homes right next to uh
apartments, but the people that are
going to buy the single family homes
don't necessarily want to live right
next to an apartment. But people who uh
might be buying a town home or a twin
home will do that. Also, people who will
buy a town home uh I mean people will
buy a twin home next to a town home and
people will buy a single family home
next to a twin home. And so it's just a simple transition that that
we're trying to do. And we're not trying
to be, you know, like greedy developers
like we always get pegged as. We just
looked at it and just like this is what
we want to do and make a transition
that's good for the community. So that's
>> thank thank you that appreciate it. Adds
to our discussion.
>> Did you say your name?
>> I did.
>> I can state it again if you want. Brand
>> you're you're good. You're good. Okay.
We've had a clarification and uh someone
to speak for the pro and so we're to the
point where somebody would like to that
hopefully you've picked a spokesperson
that would be against it. Please come up
now.
I'm Jeremy Smith. I'm a resident. I live
at 633 South 1400 East in PAC. Um, so
not
right next to this property, but I do
have um
interest in this how this property gets
developed because there are other
annexations closer to where I live that
would follow suit with what happens
here. Um,
so in talking with
a lot of the residents here tonight, um,
their main concern is is with the
overlay. Um,
so a lot of people are happy with the
R19. A lot of people would like to see
the R110. That would eliminate the
overlay. Um but if if it did pass as
R19, then this the citizens would
request that you deny any future overlay
um in that area to eliminate the
duplexes
or twin homes.
Um
there's
a lot of concerns that were highlighted
in the presentation from the staff. Um
road infrastructure
um with with the current development of
the those town houses and apartments
near this property. Um I'm sure if you
drove down there um I'm sure you
probably have seen all the parking on
the street. Um there's just no room for
parking. uh in those developments and so
the this the residents are parking along
the street on 100 South
and with Twin Homes um we don't want to
see a similar parking issue in this
neighborhood where it's just filled with
cars on the streets. Um,
let's see. Some of the concerns also
were like with with that holdaway
development where the apartments and
town houses are. Um, is that um
the original zoning that was approved
for that when it was annexed in with one
developer and then the developer I guess
left and a new developer came in and
requested changing changes to that. So
that there are concerns with the
residents of of possible changes from
what gets decided tonight. Um
there were a lot of um
points brought up in the um planning
commission public hearing about this
property and there were lots of
questions asked by the residents and a
lot of residents feel that those
questions have not been answered. um and they would like to um
like refer to the minutes of of that
commission meeting pages three and four
where there was lots of comments made
and questions and um answers were
promised which haven't been answered
yet.
Um
there's also concerns with with the high
density of the town houses and
apartments. the current residents have
noticed a change in water pressure. Um
so the demand on the water system in
that area and so the higher density in
this new development would put more
strain um on the water system and and
water pressures for everyone around.
Um
I think just one other thing here.
Um
all of us are here because we're
concerned about our city and um our own
investment in our own properties as
well. Um,
and what's decided here tonight can
determine property values of the
surrounding areas. Um, and that that's
what we're looking out for. Um,
[snorts]
another concern was that the some some
residents feel like the staff um may be
leaning more favorably to the developer
than to the citizens. And so we want um
our concerns to be heard and and I know
that you guys listen to um the citizens
as well. Um
so you know our request would be just to
do pass the R110
um eliminate any future possibility of
the overlay from from just right now
just deny that. Um some one other thing
um that I also wanted to bring up is
relating to the plans the general plan
and the east side comprehensive plan. Um
in in the general plan it states as the
city grows there will be a need to
prepare small area plans to provide
additional guidance in land use
transportation utilities and other
services for new planning areas. Small
area plans contain a set of specific
strategies for a specific specific
geography that often has a cohesive set
of characteristics.
So my my understanding of that is that
the general plan is like a high level
plan, right? And these small area plans
dig deeper into the details of of what
specific needs are for that that
specific neighborhood.
Um,
one thing that hasn't been brought up
yet tonight is the water. The water
table in this area is really high. Um,
you're not going to be able to put
basements in these homes without sump
pumps or, you know, pumps to to pump
sewer out of the basement because
they're going to be below the water table and sewer lines
are going to have to be up higher um in
the streets. So, you're going to need
some pumps to get a sewer out of the
houses up to the to that main line. Um,
so this is a perfect area for places,
you know, homes that don't have
basements that are catered to senior
citizens.
Um, where it's flat one-story level
dwellings that don't require B that
don't need a basement. Um,
and I think um that that's about it
unless there's
any points that I missed.
I think Okay, I think everybody's pretty
happy with what I've said. So, I we
appreciate the opportunity to speak even
though we're legally you don't have to
let us speak here at this point, but we
appreciate that this opportunity. Thank
you. You're glad glad to provide it.
Yeah, Jeremy, thank you. This the way
it's supposed to work and uh we we don't
want to unnecessarily cut anybody off,
but we have hard decisions that we have
to make based on the information that we
get. And uh so please don't don't ever
believe that we don't listen. We do. And
uh sometimes we have to swab a little
hard so that uh maybe we win the we win the uh the the the battle but
lose the war. So uh so to speak, we
don't want the state to to uh uh do a
statewide overlay and uh that would not
be something would be in my opinion a
very good thing for the for any city to have the state control it.
Okay. Any any other questions that you
have at this time, council
>> discussion? Go ahead, Lacy.
>> Oh, I was just going to just just kind
of not really questions. I mean, well, I
guess one question was that um
Jeremy, when you the 55 and up, you
know, with no basement kind of thing, I
do think it's a great spot. But if we if
you do the R110,
I don't think a lot of people,
if they're in a 55 and older community,
they usually do that because they don't
want a large law like that. Um, but
» yeah, that was just that was just the
first thing that popped in my head, but
um I don't know if right now we can just
hurry and just kind of give our thoughts
and whatever or what we're doing.
>> Well, uh, if there's any any questions
or and if you don't want to have some
thoughts, we can do, but we need to get
to a point where we we entertain an
emotion.
>> I think it's important to have two
discussion items on this. This is a big
decision. Sure. Um, uh, mayor, I
appreciate you opening it up, uh, for
residents, uh, to be able to to speak.
And, uh, I I I thank the the staff and
residents and planning commission that
attended the planning commission meeting
on this. I know it was long and
confusing. It was about like me trying
to figure out the the cemetery fee
schedule. It just it was just a hard
meeting, right? So, thank you for uh,
for making your voices heard. I promise
we do hear you. Uh, we work for you.
That's what our job is. And so, thank
you for so many that have that have
submitted. so many quality datadriven uh remarks and comments on this
particular item. Um I do want to uh call
out uh a few things. The the parking on
the street uh while that is a reality,
it's almost irrelevant, darn it, because
you drive down my street and I've got
cars and and vehicles parked on my
street, too. So, it doesn't matter what
zoning we do, people park on the street,
especially as families get older and
they have multiple drivers
>> this time of year. Trailer houses.
>> Yes. Yep. Um, I I also want to mention
too that uh sometimes if we fear if we
fear the state so much uh Mr. Mayor that that it affects our decision,
they've almost already taken away the
power of that law.
>> I don't want to be afraid of the state.
I just don't want to be a bad actor and uh and suffer the wrath of some some
of them. I'm I'm not I'm not afraid to
push back in any way, shape, or form.
But we need to know when to push and
when not to.
>> Absolutely. Yes. And I think for this
area, uh, and I do I do want to disclose
I do live in a neighborhood adjacent to
this to this parcel. Um, I don't believe
it creates conflict of interest, but I
do want to disclose that I I live next
to it. Um, I think with this area, um,
you know, that it has hit its mark with
density. Uh, we we have increased
density in East Pac with zero amenities.
There's no parks. There's no there's no
retail in East PAC. And so we're either
uh driving into the middle of PAC or
heaven forbid giving our precious sales
tax dollars to Salem to do it. And so uh
per this plan that the the current
developer has submitted, I don't see any
benefit uh to PAC as a whole for
increasing density in this area without
any additional uh amenities for the for
the surrounding residents. Uh I think
too that we will have the opportunity
for density along the pacin parkway. But
I think in this area if we fall back to
the east side comprehensive plan it says
that we should uh respect the styles and
densities of established neighborhoods.
And there are a lot of established
neighborhoods in East PAC and not very
many of them are smaller than 10,000
square foot lots. And so that's
something important to to consider as we
make this decision. And so I I I I have
fear of of giving away the farm for
nothing. sometimes. And just to to
everyone here, East Pacin is going to
change a lot. And so, darn it, the only
way to control what happens next door to
you is if you own it. And I think too,
we set a precedence of what we do
tonight. Uh, but I do have fears of East
PAC as more of these annexes come in. I
know this is not an annex, but I have
fear of East PAC turning this
conglomerate of neverending culde-sacs
because none of these communities are
intertwined or connected. uh we need to
get serious about making some hard
decisions to truly plan this area out to
make it truly the gateway of our city
along SR 198. And so if if if we're
going to change the plan, if if we want
to deviate from the plan, I think we
should heir on the side of lower
density.
Um, I just wanted to say kind of a reer
reiterating what Ryan said. I I take
this position very very seriously. I
think everyone that emailed the only
person I did not email back is Lee
Timothy and that was because I just ran
out of time. But every single person I
replied back to, I really care. I
frequent the area. Um,
and as I looked at it, um, I I do like
the the idea just what Ryan was saying,
but I know that you have to have that
buffer, but I do feel if you just go a
little to the south, showing that road
size, that is a buffer from residential
to the hospital, residential to a town
home. I feel like the roadside is a is a
great buffer. Um, so that's my feelings
on that. And then um I know there was
something else but oh I was just going
to say
I know that and I said this to every
person that I replied to 0.02 does not
seem like a ton and I listened to all
the replies as to why you felt that it
was a difference. Um, but my thing to
the one of the the developer is I know
that people don't want to
buy a a nicer home as you say next to
apartments and town homes.
All of these residents I feel like that
are sitting in here that are against it,
they also built and purchased their home
looking at a general plan, looking at
the surrounding neighborhood
and they don't they wouldn't have that
choice. that's why they're here is to
fight for that um as to why they chose
their home. So that's just my feelings
on it. So
>> do you have anything to add?
>> I just got a few things. Thanks
everybody for um getting coming here and
also voicing your opinions. Um one thing
I look at is I like to look at the
planning zoning. They've spent a lot of
time making decisions about this. Uh
staff's worked on this for a long time
and I value their opinions also. And
then I look at R19 versus R110.
There are lots of fairly similar in
size, but I think that um I don't want
the multifamily the overlay, but the one
R19 gives that opportunity, but we have
the discretion here to deny that. And so
I think this gives a little bit of
compromise that that maybe they won't
come back and want on the uh overlay and
then they get a little bit smaller lots.
So hopefully that will take care of
that. They won't come back and but it'll
still be nice size lots. 9,000 square
feet is a nice size lot. So I'm fine
with the staff recommendations.
» Um I appreciate everything that everyone
has said. We really do listen. I value
this position very very much. And I've
been in in similar situations as you
where um my whole neighborhood came in
uh years ago to make our voices heard.
Um so I sympathize with you. I I know
how you're feeling. Um I also
uh I also agree with with what Ryan said
about the state and calling us a bad
actor. um not everybody up there feels
that way towards us and I don't think we
should cater to what a couple of people
in power say. So um because this is our
town, this is where we live and um how
we feel and where we live um and where
we live our lives matters more than what
they say. So um
just a second.
So, so I value what the staff has done.
They've done a lot of work. I value um
all the emails and all the opinions that
I've received. Um I live near the
Heritage I think it's Heritage Fields
over by Walmart. And um it took a long
time because there was an owner and then
the recession happened in 2007 and 2008.
They couldn't get anything. No, nothing
was selling. That's why it took so long.
So when they switched owners and they
switched plan, then it took off and the
economy had changed. Then it took off
and it was very well established and
sold quickly and it's an excellent
neighborhood for retirees. Um we do need
more and and they're not single level. I
mean there's single level single level
living and then they have basements but
um we do need to take care of our our
retirees.
But I just want I I I'm leaning towards
um the R110
because I don't like the overlay as
well. I don't I prefer not to have mixed
traditional homes with town homes or
twin homes. Um but this project
>> I'm
sound okay.
>> No.
[laughter] Um, but I value everything,
all the information. I'm really, really
soaking it all in and I want to make the
best decision possible for the people
who live there already.
>> Okay.
I I uh I think there's a great
compromise here, but I lean towards the
R19
very very strongly, but the possibility
of the overlay sour me on this
particular project. Uh I I just don't
think that that is a that is a buffer
between the hospital or wherever staff
would recommend those be put. So, I I'm
in favor of remanding this back to staff
with the applicant and
R19 would be my strong suggestion
without any possibility of an overlay.
>> Okay.
>> Can we put that in the motion that we uh
we're okay with R19 without any
possibility of overlay?
>> I don't I don't know that without like
at a development agreement. I don't know
that you could actually do that, but
yeah,
>> I know there was another comment, but
we've had plenty of discussion on this
item. So, I I would ask that
» we we need to do one and then the other.
>> Yes. So, the first one here is this East
Side comprehensive plan. These are some
suggested motions.
>> Mayor, can you turn on your microphone?
Mayor.
>> Oh, sorry.
>> It must have turned off by itself.
Sorry.
Okay. So, I'm ready for a motion on item
number four.
>> I
don't mean I was going to do a motion to
approval of a um different amendment of
the east side comprehensive plan that
the traditional
designation as identified in the east
side comprehensive the ESCP.
Okay, we have a motion been seconded. Uh
we'll go roll call vote starting with
council provoscard.
>> Yes.
>> Council Moss,
>> yes.
>> Council Roelly,
>> yes.
>> Council Hillet,
>> yes.
>> Council Smith,
>> yes.
>> Okay, motion carries. Thank you. We'll
go to number five, ordinance, uh
Manglesen zone change request, uh R1A to
R19.
Okay. Uh, is there a motion for that
item?
>> Mayor, I motion that we amend the
request and shown as Omegle's own
request from R1A to R110.
» Okay, we have a motion and been
seconded. Roll call vote starting with
council Smith.
>> Yes.
>> Council Hlet.
>> Uh, no. And the reason is because um I
know that if for multifamily it'd have
to come back to us and we could deny
that.
>> Okay. Council Rolley,
>> yes.
>> Council Moss,
>> yes.
>> Council Postcar,
>> yes.
>> Okay, motion carries.
>> And mine carries because
it still leaves a
>> if we Yep. with the overlay and I'm just
not comfortable with that.
>> Okay, ladies and gentlemen, it's been a
pleasure to have you be here. I have
been in meetings that have been a little
bit ruckus and I don't like those
meetings and I don't think any of you
really would either. But my compliment
is to you uh thank you for for being
here number one and and doing it in in
an orderly fashion.
>> Thank you so much.
» Absolutely. So we just we just changed
the designation from active living to
traditional uh with a minimum of 10,000
square foot lots.
>> So there is no possibility of
>> no possibility of an overlay.
>> Correct.
No density single family homes.
>> Yeah, go ahead and clap on that one.
» Thank you.
» A lot of these people don't
Well,
» that that's why that's why I felt like
it's was very important to give some
people an opportunity to talk.
>> Thank you for explaining that.
>> You bet. Thank you. Okay. Uh I'm ready
for a motion to join to adjourn to a
closed meeting.
>> So moved.
>> Second.
>> Okay. All in favor say I.
>> I.
>> Good. Any oppose? Nope.
» I do. You want me to do it?
» Bob, turn on your microphone.
>> They turned
>> at 7:57
uh to discuss the purchase, exchange,
sale, or lease of real property. Okay.
You missed
>> better
>> then. We we we we [laughter]
got that.
>> We have to have roll call.
>> Yes, we do.
>> Okay. Roll call.
>> Yes.
>> Roll call.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Unanimous.
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>> Me, too.
>> Oh my gosh.
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I'll be stabbing it in the watching
>> in the crowd.
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time.