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>> to six. So, welcome to the PA city

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council meeting for August 19th,

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2026. And again, the time is well,

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according to that clock, the end at the

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other end of the room at 6:00.

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Uh, I will go ahead and and open this

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meeting with word of prayer.

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Our

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father in heaven, as we come before thee

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at this time as a group of citizens and

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city council, we're so very thankful for

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thy involvement in our lives and in the

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lives of the PAC city citizens and those

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in the surrounding areas. We're thankful

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for the opportunity we have of planning

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our future and would ask thee to please

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be part of that plan as we are

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struggling to make sure we do the right

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thing for the right reason. Thankful for

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the the water that thou hast seen fit to

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bestow us with. Please help us to get

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more water for our our uses. Please

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don't overwhelm us with the water but

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help us to

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uh use that water

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uh sensibly. And we say these things

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father in the name of thy son Jesus

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Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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>> And a moss council moss will lead us in

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the pledge.

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>> Please stand.

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>> Repeat after me. I aliance to the flag

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of the United States of America and to

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the republic for which it stands. One

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nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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>> Thank you, Anne.

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» Okay, we'll go ahead and proceed uh see

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the consent agenda. Approval of the

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August 5th, 2026 city council meeting

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minutes. Number two, confirmation of the

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monthly financial information. Number

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three, resolution approving agreement

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for construction services for the short

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course at the Glad Stand Golf Course.

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Unless there's any uh uh discussion, I'm

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ready for a motion.

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>> Mayor, I motion that we approve the

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consent agenda.

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>> I'll second that.

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>> Okay, we have a motion been seconded. Uh

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roll call vote starting with Council

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>> Council Roelly,

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>> Council Moss,

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>> yes. Council Progard.

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>> Okay. The motion carries. That gives me

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an opportunity to let people know that

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uh Council Hulet is going to be a little

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late. He's had some responsibilities on a meeting earlier today, but he will

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Okay. We'll move on to D petitions.

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Uh and uh number one is I5 interchange

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report. Stephen, are you with us?

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Come on up, Stephen.

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the man of the hour.

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>> Yeah. Thank you for being here.

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We're anxious for your report.

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» Uh this is my first time. I'm I'm Steven

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for the I-15 PAC interchange project.

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Eric Krasband uh is retiring or retired.

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Um so I'm taking over for him. Um our design team is currently pursuing

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90% design plans. Um we got that

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scheduled in September. Um we anticipate

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to advertise

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uh at the beginning of next year with

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construction planned for spring summer

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of 2027. Um we're currently working with

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uh UTA and the railroad. Um we're

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preparing agreements um and those will

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need to be um approved in order to get

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construction rolling. So we're working

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through that. Um and we're also working

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through right away um that's kind of

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ongoing rightway acquisition. So um

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that's kind of pretty simple update, but

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like I said, we're getting close to um

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getting the package ready to advertise.

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>> that's a major segment of that update.

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So no, we appreciate that information.

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going over the tracks with with new

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» Come on up if you would please.

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» Appreciate you being here.

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So, yes, as part of the project, we're

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acquiring all the rideway that would be

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necessary for those future ramps on the

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southern side of the interchange as well

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as that extension on the west end to

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>> That piece won't be built yet, but the

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rightway will be there for future

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funding to to make the road real big,

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>> money hasn't fallen out of the sky yet.

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>> Okay, moving on. Uh, number two, annual

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report for 4B committee. Matthew,

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come on up.

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» All right.

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to our council members and people of

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PAC. Over the past year, the Forbay

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Committee has continued its efforts to

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improve, preserve, and promote the

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Forbay Trail System. Below, we have a

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summary of our key accomplishments.

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We hosted a conver conservation easement

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celebration at the Forbay trails

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recognizing the successful con

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conservation partnership and honoring

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individuals and organizations whose

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efforts helped preserve the forbay area

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for the future generations and that was

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the Lehigh City Council that joined us.

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We secured a park grant funding for a

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new trail head, kiosk, and interpretive

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signage, which will improve visitor

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education, navigation, and overall trail

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experience.

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education by participating participating

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in adventure days, promoting the 4 bay

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trail system, conversation, conservation

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efforts, trail stewardship, and

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volunteer opportunities to residents and

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visitors. We coordinated multiple trail

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maintenance projects in partnership with

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local community groups leading 55

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volunteers across 200 plus hour services

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to restore trail conditions and prepare

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the system increased public use. We

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continued planning for future

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improvements including the gravel

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parking lot project which is currently

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on hold with the coordinated with Utah

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County Trail Engineering.

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accessibility enhancements such as an

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all abilities trail wheelchair and

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ongoing conservation initiatives. The

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Forbay committee appreciates the

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continued support of the PAC city

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council. We remain committed to

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protecting the Forbay area while

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expanding opportunities for outdoor

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recreation and look forward to another

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successful year in collaboration.

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Sincerely, the Forbay committee.

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number three. Uh open the public forum.

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annexation and uh also the uh general

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plan for the east side.

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Uh what uh what I would like to do since

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that's on the the agenda that doesn't

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allow you to do this in in the public

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forum. So uh please do not use the

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public forum at this point in time for

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public hearing that's already happened.

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four and number five, uh we'll have uh

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Michael present those to us and then

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council discussions if any, but then we would like to hear from uh although

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would uh those that to that are against

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and and then we'd come up and and have

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public hearing but willing to go ahead

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your concerns are heard. So, we'll go

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hear from those other than the concerns

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Uh, good evening. My name is Tristan

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by Connie Ericson to, uh, talk to you

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about participating in something called

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the Mayor's Monarch Program. Um, it is a

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program that is, uh, run by the National

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Wildlife Federation that helps uh, local

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governments and communities uh,

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participate in uh, butterfly and

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pollinator conservation. Um,

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action items from a list of about 90

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items that, um, fit with, uh, the city

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goals or policies that you may have. Um,

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and then you pledge to, uh, take action

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with these three items. Um, and they can

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range from anything from

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plant if that is in your city

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ordinances. It can be creating

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pollinator habitat. Um,

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forbase trail program. Um, it can be uh

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um, monarchs are in danger. They've lost

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99% of their population since the '9s.

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dirt patch in my backyard. Um, and I've

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just been like talking to my friends

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about it, hence uh how I ended up here.

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beyond just uh preserving a keystone

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species. Um about 80 87% of the people

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I've talked to have told me that seeing

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butterflies uh would improve their

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mental health. It would make them

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happier. Uh they would be more likely to

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spend more time outside and therefore be

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more active if there were pollinators

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and butterflies around for them to

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observe and interact with. um creating

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habitat for pollinators um actually can

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help um reduce the amount of water a

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city uses if you uh plant native plants

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that are drought tolerant which um most

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of the ones that monarchs require in

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Utah um will do that for you. Um

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it can have other economic benefits.

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Butterflies are actually very um big in

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like tourism can if you have enough

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and uh involving the community in this

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because it is a community project um can

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help uh create community cohesion and

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give people a sense of pride in the

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place that they live as well. Um,

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so

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I would just uh invite you to learn

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about the mayor's monarch program um and

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to see if there are any action items

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that would fit with uh the city of PAC's

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vision for the future. Um and take the

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pledge if you are able. Thank you,

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>> Tristan. Thank you. Uh Robert or Dave,

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could you get her contact info and we

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just follow up and see if that's

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something we want to put on our radar?

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Okay. Anyone else like to come up and

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speak with us? So,

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Teresa, you wanted to, right?

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» Good evening. My name is Teresa Howie

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and I represent the Betnique Company of

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the Daughters of Utah Pioneers in this

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area. And um we have a presentation we'd

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like to make to you as the city and a

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little bit of history if you don't mind.

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Um

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I represent my great great great

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greatgrandfather

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James Pace who founded this city of PAC.

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And I did not know that until I moved

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here. And it took me a couple years

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before I found that out. So, I've done a

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lot of research on him and I feel like

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we need to let new people coming into

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our city know what is the foundation of

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our city. So, I'd like to give you just

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a very brief history of what he did and

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why he deserves to be a little more

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publicized.

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So, um, James Pace served as a

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lieutenant commander in the Mormon

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Battalion, and when he got done with

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that, he led 50 families and wagons here

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to Salt Lake. He had only just res

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arrived in Salt Lake in September of 18

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um, 51 when Brigham Young said, "Don't

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stop here. you're going to go 60 miles

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south and you're going to settle on the

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Petite Nate Creek and start a community

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there because there's this beautiful

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valley. So when he arrived, he saw a

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valley that was filled with sunflowers,

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cottonwoods, aspens, lots of grass, and

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it was a very fertile valley and

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everyone was so happy to be there after

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their long journey.

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So they continued to uh settle. They had

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16 settlers in that first party that

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came. One of them was AJ Stewart and JC

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Surl and there with them there were just

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16. But Brigham Young continued to send

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other settlers to Petite Neat. In March

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of 1852, less than a few months later,

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Brighgam came and made James Pace

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president and Benjamin Cross Bishop. It

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was then that Brigham named the

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settlement Pac

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and his son William. They changed the

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spelling from P A C E N to P A Y S O N

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because they thought people would

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remember it easier.

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A petition was sent to the Utah

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territory to be recognized as a city.

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However, it was not granted until

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January 21st of 1853.

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At that time, just a few months later,

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um James was called on a mission to

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England in September of 1852.

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And he was gone for three years and

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three months, leaving his wife, Lucinda,

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who became the first female post

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mistress in Utah. And she did that the

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entire time that he was gone. After he

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came back, um he was a marshall for a

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while for PAC and then he had the

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opportunity to go to Spring Lake and he

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helped build the dam for Spring Lake and

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then he later bought land there and

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started to farm there. So he rented out

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his property here in PAC. Um later after

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he just got that all built, he built a

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40 room adobe house on Spring Lake which

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he shared with uh Benjamin Johnson later

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sold it to him and he worked in farming

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and businesses and did a lot of things

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around here. And then lo and behold,

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Brigham Y said, "You're really good in

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farming, but I need you to go down to

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St. George and start with with cotton

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and grapes and rice that we've never had

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grown in this land." So he moved to him

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his three wives and went down there. He

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had a total of 24 children with three

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wives. I am a direct descendant of his

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first wife, Lucinda Strickland, who was

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the first post mistress. Um there are

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several descendants that still live here

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in PAC with the last name of Pace. I'm

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sure you've heard that around. I find

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them every once in a while. But we would

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like to recognize all the efforts that

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started this community that were not

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only the sunflowers

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as far as you could see but have become

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the thriving city of PAC.

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This picture

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is James Pace and his wife Lucinda.

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I owe it to my dear friend Rose Nyman

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who works at the family history center

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for taking a very blurry black and white

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picture that I had and fixing it to be

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this beautiful picture that we could be

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proud to display in the lobby of the

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city building. Uh this is his wife

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Lucinda. U she's not in her right frame.

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They didn't get the framing done on

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that. [laughter] I'd like to say thank

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you to Kelly Morris for doing the

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framing on this picture down on Main

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Street and we are going to make a copy

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in our museum here. Um we'd like to put

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a sign underneath there which grading

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takes a little bit longer than framing

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so that is still in process. Um but we'd

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like something that would indicate who

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he was and what he did and where we

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could where people can find out a little

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bit more about our beginning history,

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which is down the hallway that nobody

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knows where it's at. So, we'd like a

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little sign maybe to go down the hallway

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so that people could come and learn more

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about our our our town in the early

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days. There's a lot of premium artifacts

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in there. And the second thing that we

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wanted to call to your attention was I

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get a lot of complaints about the

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condition of the little cabin out there

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on the city lot. It's ugly. Sorry, I

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have to say that. But um

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>> don't disagree with you.

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>> Salt Lake has asked us that we would

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find someone who was qualified in as a

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contractor. Hello. To evaluate it and

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see if it's even worth repairing and how

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much that cost would be for us because

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us old ladies, we don't know anything

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about that. Okay. And then plan B is one

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I came up with because uh there's a lot

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of wasps out there, but there is a nice

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plant and there's a nice stone

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fireplace.

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If the wood part cannot be fixed, we

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could use the rock fireplace to mount

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the plaque on and that would be a

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monument that would not require the

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upkeep that a wood cabin would. So, I'm

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we're just open to suggestions of what

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maybe the city could help us with. We

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plan on going around to all of the DUP

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monuments that are in the city, the ones

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in Memorial Park here, and wherever else

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they are around the outside. And we are

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going we're planning on cleaning them

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and making them presentable so that

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people can read about the history. Um, I

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have people every day that ask me if we

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have room in our museum to put more

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things they would like to donate. We

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don't if you've been down there, but if

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any of you haven't ever been to our

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museum, we'd like to invite you to come

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down for a tour because you really Salt

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Lake was very impressed with what we

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had. So, um that being said, um I'd like

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to give you a little memorial just to

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remind you of our Pioneer heritage. So,

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these are little um Pioneer dolls. Men

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won't like them, but give them to your

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kids.

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>> Thank you. Or kids, whatever.

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Thank you.

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>> Sorry. Anyway, these are handmade and

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they're very easy for children to make.

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» So, with that being said, I'd like to

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close with this final statement

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is preserve our past

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more forward so that we can move forward

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to our future. They don't know the past.

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They're not going to do very well in the

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future. So, I appreciate the time you

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gave to us.

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And if you could let us know about the

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cabin, we'd appreciate it. And I am

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leaving it up to Steve to mount this.

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It's ready to be mounted.

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>> Okay.

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>> This one we're going to finish framing

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it.

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>> Can you leave a copy of what you just

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read to us?

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>> Okay.

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>> Robert, will you get her contact

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information so I can get back?

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>> Thank you.

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>> Teresa, thank you so much. You've done

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so much work for this and we really appreciate it.

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>> You're exactly right. If we don't know

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our past, we our future's in question.

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>> And Teresa, you know what they say, the

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first wife's always the favorite. So,

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I'm glad you came from that line.

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[crying]

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» Is that a precursor, Ryan, of something

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to come? [laughter]

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>> Better not be. [clears throat]

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>> Thank you for your comments.

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>> Yes. Thank you so much. It's really neat

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to see that picture uh so updated. It's

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really cool.

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» Okay. Anyone else like to address this

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in this public forum?

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Okay. Not seeing anyone at this time.

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Anybody online, Emily?

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No. Okay, we'll move on number four to

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staff reports.

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Okay, Chief, come on up. Scott.

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>> Yep.

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>> Chief, what is he? Chief. Chief Scott.

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>> Chief Scott.

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>> Sounds good. Um, mayor and counselor was

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just one of the gave you a little report

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um on the fire station. Things are

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moving forward. Um we had the permit to

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do the grubbing and ground work. Um

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they've been bringing in fill to bring

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up the the site to a proper elevation.

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So we'll be just about a foot higher

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than the roads so we don't have to worry

544
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,400
about any flooding or anything. Um

545
00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:35,840
they're going to be putting in starting

546
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,600
Monday, Tuesday time frame, putting in

547
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,679
geops will be quite a few of those. as

548
00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:42,080
we're working to get a pre-construction

549
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:44,400
meeting um going. There's a couple of

550
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,679
little things they've got to finish on

551
00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:48,000
the site plan um for corrections or

552
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,919
clarifications, but things are moving

553
00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:52,240
forward. Seeing a lot of work um

554
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:53,840
happening out there for both the station

555
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,799
and also the park area. So things are

556
00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:58,320
looking good. So finally nice to see

557
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,960
some work happening there. So thank you

558
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,000
for all your help on it.

559
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,600
>> So Chief, when when when do you

560
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,720
anticipate expected completion? um once

561
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,799
we get going about a year is what their

562
00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:09,919
time frame is.

563
00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:11,039
>> So, when are we getting going? So,

564
00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:12,159
what's what's your best guess?

565
00:25:12,159 --> 00:25:13,600
>> I'm I'm hoping it'll be done by Labor

566
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:15,120
Day of next year, but we'll see.

567
00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:17,039
>> Labor Day of next year. Okay.

568
00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:18,400
>> I hope.

569
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:19,279
>> Okay.

570
00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:20,799
>> Don't hold me to [laughter] it.

571
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:22,320
>> Be nice to have an open house for

572
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,159
>> It would during Labor Day.

573
00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:26,080
>> So, we're waiting for them to do the the

574
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,960
uh uh site work and the peers and after

575
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,720
they do that, then we'll we'll get a

576
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:33,279
date for a groundbreaking. Um, but they

577
00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:35,039
want to get that stuff cleared and ready

578
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:38,080
to go first. Um, we also have to uh cap

579
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,919
a well that went with the home there.

580
00:25:39,919 --> 00:25:42,480
So, it's pretty costly to cap a well,

581
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,240
but um we're getting that done too

582
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:45,919
hopefully the Friday.

583
00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:46,400
>> Okay.

584
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:46,799
>> So,

585
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:47,600
>> thanks Chief.

586
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:55,029
>> Thank you.

587
00:25:55,039 --> 00:26:00,000
I'll jump really quick and say um

588
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:01,679
he might talk about this, but Council

589
00:26:01,679 --> 00:26:05,039
Member Rolley and I and uh Sean Black

590
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:10,400
were able to go and see some really cool technology last week. um uh

591
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,679
cutting edge uh power generation

592
00:26:13,679 --> 00:26:16,000
technology that uh there are very few

593
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,919
times in my life when I felt like oh I I

594
00:26:17,919 --> 00:26:19,440
got to see something really cool that's

595
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,480
going to change uh the way the way

596
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,480
things work in this world and and I got

597
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,720
that opportunity. So uh linear

598
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,600
generation look it up and check it out.

599
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,440
It's really cool. Um

600
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:37,200
council public we are tminus two weeks

601
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:42,559
to onion days. Uh, and I just wanted to give a quick plug. Uh, we've been

602
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,120
working really hard to get our concert

603
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:47,520
all in order. We had an update today and

604
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,760
Aaron Watson will be coming. Uh, the

605
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,000
show is going to be amazing. Um, band

606
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,200
and singer, everything. So, uh, I'd

607
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,120
encourage you all to to put that on your

608
00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:58,720
calendar to attend that at the petite

609
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,640
meet. Uh and then um for those of you uh

610
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:04,559
I know that Janine gave some marching

611
00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:08,400
orders to sign up for uh the onion days

612
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,320
uh assignments. If you if you missed

613
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,200
that or whatever, uh let me know and I

614
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,480
will we have space for you. I promise.

615
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,120
So uh we're just so excited uh for Onion

616
00:27:19,120 --> 00:27:21,360
Days this year and want to invite the

617
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,279
community to participate in that. So

618
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:23,919
thanks everybody.

619
00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:26,000
>> Will will the parade route be uh

620
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,320
available? The parade route will be

621
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:32,159
available. Uh it will be paved and then

622
00:27:32,159 --> 00:27:37,120
work will continue after Labor Day. So

623
00:27:37,120 --> 00:27:39,440
>> I think it's safe to say ho High Water

624
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,440
is not going to stop that.

625
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,039
>> Might be walking through wet asphalt,

626
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:46,799
but we're doing it.

627
00:27:46,799 --> 00:27:53,510
>> Okay. Any other staff?

628
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,240
having our first.

629
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,000
>> Oh, good. Thank you. It's nice to know.

630
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,120
Okay, we'll move off of staff reports

631
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:05,200
and go to council reports. We'll start

632
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,000
with council ris. Oh,

633
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,039
>> I didn't see you.

634
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,000
>> Donna's online.

635
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,039
>> That was Donna. Well,

636
00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:12,640
>> Travis is gonna come up, too.

637
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:13,600
>> Yeah,

638
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,600
>> Donna.

639
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,159
I guess you wait for Travis and then

640
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:20,399
we'll we won't forget you. Oh, I don't

641
00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:22,080
want to wait for Travis. Just kidding.

642
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:23,840
>> He's already He's already up to it.

643
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,320
>> Oh,

644
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,960
>> we'll get to you.

645
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,480
>> Uh, mayor and council, it's my great

646
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:31,919
privilege to introduce you to Joshua

647
00:28:31,919 --> 00:28:34,640
Reed Head. Josh, if you could stand up.

648
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,440
Uh, so tonight we're having you appoint

649
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:39,360
him as the city engineer. Robert Melanie

650
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,760
and I interviewed him and we made the

651
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,440
offer and he graciously accepted

652
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,760
obviously with the contingent that you

653
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:49,360
guys approve this position. So, um, he's

654
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,240
a BYU graduate and I didn't hold that

655
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,114
against him with Anders. [laughter]

656
00:28:55,114 --> 00:28:55,200
[clears throat]

657
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:56,480
>> That's in his favor, tell you.

658
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,440
>> But I don't know if you have any

659
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,799
questions or you want him to come up and

660
00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:00,240
introduce himself. Whatever you guys

661
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,440
want to do, but

662
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,880
>> I know we have an action on him as well.

663
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:05,279
So,

664
00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:06,399
>> I'd love if he'd come.

665
00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:06,880
>> Come on.

666
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,399
>> Introduce yourself. That'd be awesome.

667
00:29:08,399 --> 00:29:10,000
>> Tell us about your family and who you

668
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,679
are.

669
00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:14,710
Maybe

670
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,399
» everybody has it. It's I have a family,

671
00:29:18,399 --> 00:29:19,440
but [laughter and clears throat] yeah.

672
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,799
Um yeah, I uh born and raised here in

673
00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,279
Utah Valley, Springville, most my life.

674
00:29:25,279 --> 00:29:30,000
Um and married a wonderful woman from

675
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,399
Arizona and live here with our four kids

676
00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:34,399
here in Springville. Well, in

677
00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:37,039
Springville, we're renting. We love it

678
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:41,039
down here, though. and uh um super

679
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:44,559
grateful for this opportunity. Uh Sean,

680
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:46,399
one of your linemen, is my

681
00:29:46,399 --> 00:29:48,559
brother-in-law and he uh really

682
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:51,440
encouraged me to to look into this

683
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,440
position. I I wasn't necessarily

684
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,880
looking, but I'm very grateful um that

685
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:58,960
he he gave me a little nudge, a few

686
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:04,000
nudges, and uh uh if it all works out, I

687
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,440
think it'll be a wonderful opportunity

688
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,919
to me to serve the city of Pace. I I'm

689
00:30:07,919 --> 00:30:14,799
in uh private consulting now and there's a whole lot more heart in uh

690
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:17,760
working working with you guys for for

691
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,120
Pacin City.

692
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:20,720
>> Um

693
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,360
but yeah, uh that that's me in a

694
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,640
nutshell.

695
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,480
>> Let's exchange that if it works out to

696
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,960
when it works out. It will work out.

697
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,720
>> Thank you.

698
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,000
>> Thanks for being here. Remind us your

699
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,039
name one more time. Uh

700
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:34,399
>> Josh Reedhead.

701
00:30:34,399 --> 00:30:37,039
Yes, sir. Excellent.

702
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:38,960
Okay. Thank you.

703
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,000
>> Thank you.

704
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:42,399
>> Okay.

705
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:43,919
>> Hi, Mayor. I thought you'd moved on to

706
00:30:43,919 --> 00:30:45,039
the next item. So, that's

707
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:47,840
>> it's okay. We when we come to that item,

708
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,080
we'll just not worry about calling you

709
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,600
up and we'll we'll make that action.

710
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,039
Okay. Uh, Donna,

711
00:30:57,039 --> 00:31:00,480
>> hey. I just um wanted to let the council

712
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:05,039
know that our Candace Hope, our um one

713
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,080
of our librarians here, was awarded um

714
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,720
librarian of the month through Bywater,

715
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:18,880
which is our the support system. It's our system for our catalog and

716
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,159
everything and our website. She um she's

717
00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:26,159
worked really close with them since we

718
00:31:26,159 --> 00:31:28,000
um what's the word? We migrated to them

719
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:34,799
in 2016 and she was she's been um at the forefront of everything we've

720
00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:36,559
done here at the library technologically

721
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,519
with help. I mean Dale obviously but um

722
00:31:39,519 --> 00:31:41,679
and Jason have been so great but Candace

723
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:43,600
really carries the the weight of it here

724
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,440
at the library. and she was awarded that

725
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,240
through by water because they've also

726
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,399
highlighted her website several times.

727
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:51,840
She's just done a really good job and I

728
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,039
just wanted to make sure she got

729
00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:55,919
recognized and she also does the onion

730
00:31:55,919 --> 00:31:58,159
day booklet for anybody who thinks how

731
00:31:58,159 --> 00:31:59,840
great the onion day booklet goes. That

732
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:02,559
that's that's Candace also. So I just

733
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:04,240
wanted to make sure she got highlighted

734
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,360
for that. Thanks.

735
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,039
>> Thank you, Donna. That that's wonderful

736
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:11,200
news to to hear and glad you shared that

737
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,519
with us.

738
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:17,840
Okay. Any other staff?

739
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,159
If not, we'll move on to council. As I

740
00:32:20,159 --> 00:32:21,760
was stating, we'll go to with council

741
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,440
provos guard.

742
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,279
>> Um

743
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,200
yeah, I I've got a couple things

744
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,240
exciting. Um, I've been working with a

745
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,640
lot of department head, Robert and Dave,

746
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,120
uh, with several projects, several

747
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,240
items, and I'm just I'm just pleased

748
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,399
with the positive,

749
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:42,000
uh, the way they're willing to help, the

750
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,600
way they're willing to make suggestions

751
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,640
on resources and what have you. So,

752
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,120
you'd pass that on to each of them.

753
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,159
They're just wonderful. Um,

754
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:53,919
beautifification committee continues to

755
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:57,360
roll forward. Uh we have another project

756
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,399
if you would like to join us on uh the

757
00:33:00,399 --> 00:33:04,159
29th, Saturday the 29th at 7 a.m. We are

758
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:06,000
going to tackle

759
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,559
the north interchange

760
00:33:08,559 --> 00:33:12,522
uh weeds.

761
00:33:12,532 --> 00:33:17,039
[laughter] I know uh we're excited to jump in and get that

762
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,919
ready for Labor Day. Uh there is

763
00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:22,320
initiative for all of you that are here

764
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,960
with the beautifification committee that

765
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,519
we are pushing through uh the different

766
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:30,880
churches not only the LDS church but

767
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:35,039
we've had contact with all five others

768
00:33:35,039 --> 00:33:37,440
if they reported at beautifification

769
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,640
committee. So uh look for the future of

770
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,360
some some projects uh that we've

771
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,360
identified as a beautifification

772
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:48,159
committee and as a city council. Uh

773
00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:50,799
we've also sent a letter out to several

774
00:33:50,799 --> 00:33:55,919
residents uh asking that they

775
00:33:55,919 --> 00:33:58,799
uh beautify their yards with with things

776
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:02,399
that are not in ordinance such as too

777
00:34:02,399 --> 00:34:05,440
many parked cars, uh overgrown noxious

778
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,639
weeds and what have you. We had a report

779
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,879
by the chief that all of the letters

780
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:13,679
that we sent to the businesses, probably

781
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:17,679
about 90% of them have done uh something

782
00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:21,359
uh positive and even even the residents

783
00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:23,919
that we've sent letters to there's uh

784
00:34:23,919 --> 00:34:25,520
there's always one or two negative but

785
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,040
for the most part they've been received

786
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,159
very well. So excited to be part of the

787
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:31,919
beautifification committee and the ideas

788
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:34,000
and things that they're rolling forward

789
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,800
on. Um

790
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,320
thank you Moss.

791
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,079
>> Um I have a couple things. Um, a couple

792
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,119
weeks ago I had the opportunity to serve

793
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,760
at my third salmon supper and it was

794
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,240
amazing and it was so much fun and the

795
00:34:52,240 --> 00:34:55,359
salmon is the best in the world and met

796
00:34:55,359 --> 00:34:57,680
a ton of people. I even had somebody say

797
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,880
they had just gotten back from Alaska

798
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,880
and had salmon up there and our salmon

799
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,560
was better. Um, just it was just

800
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,640
amazing. It's always amazing to me to

801
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:14,320
meet so many people that come to that have connection to Pacin in some

802
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,119
way or another and it's an it's a great

803
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:18,640
community event and I look forward to

804
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,079
the next one. And Chief Spencer, did you

805
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:28,550
ever find out how much salmon we served?

806
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,760
» Wow. And how many people how many

807
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:36,870
tickets did we sell?

808
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,800
That's amazing.

809
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,160
And I I just love this tradition. And on

810
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,160
another note, another tradition, Onion

811
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:45,760
Days, is coming up. And I'm so excited.

812
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,720
And it's just so neat to have have our

813
00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:51,119
founders pictures right here. And I

814
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:54,400
wonder if they ever even imagined

815
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,440
how much influence Pacin would have and

816
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,000
how how many people have a connection to

817
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,520
PAC and go out into the world and then

818
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,359
come back for things like the salmon

819
00:36:03,359 --> 00:36:05,200
supper or onion days. And it's just an

820
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,760
amazing thing to honor our forebears. So

821
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,160
thank you so much Teresa for doing that.

822
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,359
And that's all I've got.

823
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:15,280
>> I don't thanks. I don't generally say

824
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,119
anything with when it comes to council

825
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,599
reports, but this time I will because of

826
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:23,440
our name Pac. Uh I had just happened to

827
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,160
be downtown uh and noticed a husband and

828
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,400
a wife and their daughter enjoying our

829
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,599
main street. Uh and so I approached

830
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:33,520
them, asked them how how they liked what

831
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,680
we done. They absolutely loved it. They

832
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,280
were from Springville. They had never

833
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,560
been down Main Street before.

834
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,920
And uh so I I talked to him about how

835
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,680
Pacin got its name, James Pace and his

836
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,960
son, and uh told him that story. And it

837
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,200
just so happens,

838
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:54,880
and I'm I'm glad I stopped and talk to

839
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,599
him, their daughter's name is Pac. They

840
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:01,040
named her Pac. And they they were glad

841
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,119
to know the history of how that name

842
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,640
came to be. So we are proud of uh our

843
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,520
founder and and our name.

844
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,520
Okay, go ahead.

845
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,359
>> Thanks, Mayor. I want to thank uh all of

846
00:37:13,359 --> 00:37:14,880
the staff and especially the residents

847
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:16,079
that are here tonight. It's so wonderful

848
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:17,839
to see a packed house. This is

849
00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:19,760
beautiful. Thank you for coming, for

850
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,280
caring enough about our community to

851
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,560
show up. I'm so grateful for the

852
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,240
Daughters of the Utah Pioneers and for

853
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:29,280
your work. Uh my grandmother was a was a proud product and believer in that

854
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,440
organization. And so I helped set up

855
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,880
many of tables and chairs as a youth for lunches and dinners for the

856
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:37,119
Daughters of the Utah Pioneers.

857
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:39,200
grateful for our pioneer heritage in

858
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,839
this in this valley in this area. Want

859
00:37:41,839 --> 00:37:44,400
to update the the the council and staff

860
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,480
and mayor a little bit on on South Utah

861
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,200
Valley Power Systems. Um we're about to

862
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,280
complete our transmission line through

863
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,440
Spanish Fork and uh just a little

864
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,440
education everyone. We are we are one of

865
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:56,960
the owners of the South Utah Valley

866
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,359
Power Systems along with Spanish Fork,

867
00:37:59,359 --> 00:38:01,760
Salem, Springville, and Strawberry

868
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,640
Electric District SCSD. Uh so we're having a lot of catching up to do

869
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,960
to provide the needed power to to so

870
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:14,079
many residents uh that comes from the overusage of uh of us charging

871
00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:16,880
everything now and uh and using so much

872
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:18,240
power and I'm grateful to see that

873
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,160
project moving forward. As Robert

874
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:21,680
mentioned, we we traveled and went and

875
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,760
saw some linear generators that uh

876
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,599
Robert truly encapsulated how I felt

877
00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,119
too. That was that was one of those

878
00:38:27,119 --> 00:38:28,640
times you sit back and think, "Wow, this

879
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,359
might change the world of of generation.

880
00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:33,760
It can run on any type of fuel without

881
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,920
changing anything. The only there's only

882
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,400
a few wearable parts on it and you could

883
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,160
stand next to this generator and have a

884
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,119
conversation. It was extremely quiet and

885
00:38:43,119 --> 00:38:45,280
uh and it's clean as well. So, this was

886
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,960
a really really neat thing. And so,

887
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,359
we're looking into this. And I will

888
00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:51,599
never promise residents something I I

889
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,280
can't uphold. I I'm not going to sit and

890
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:54,720
promise you that utility rates will

891
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:56,480
never go up because that's a fallacy.

892
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,160
But what I can promise you is that we're

893
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,680
doing everything in conjunction with our

894
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,680
power director to make sure that PAC

895
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,680
city power produces enough for our

896
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,040
residents at a very viable rate and and

897
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,839
a rate that we can hopefully sustain and

898
00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:11,599
keep level for years to come as we have

899
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,760
some short-term pain for hopefully some

900
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,520
long-term gain to lever out these level

901
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,359
out these prior these uh these power

902
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:19,920
costs with this new technology.

903
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:21,920
So thankful for the salmon supper.

904
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,200
Chief, tell uh tell tell your

905
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,720
firefighters thank you so much for

906
00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,760
serving us. That was a hot day. 100°

907
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,839
outside plus the fires and them carting

908
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:31,920
the fish back and forth. And I'm so

909
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,280
bummed to hear that we sold all those

910
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,720
tickets. They're so hard to get and then

911
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:37,040
200 people don't show up. Oh my

912
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,040
goodness. We did run out of salmon so we

913
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,359
started serving carp from Utah Lake.

914
00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:43,200
That was a big hit.

915
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,920
>> Don't start that rumor.

916
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,680
>> No, we we had plenty of salmon. It was a great event. as we continue to

917
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,119
grow in pace and it's so important that

918
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:53,200
we maintain those those kinds of events

919
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,040
the band concerts the salmon supper

920
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,000
onion days to keep our small town flavor

921
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,320
and uh thank you chief for the update on

922
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,480
the fire station and park that's also

923
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,800
coming in next to it and then for bay

924
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,320
committee I'm grateful for your

925
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,640
presentation I love the forbay committee

926
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,320
thanks to the mayor and council for for

927
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:11,920
helping get that conservation easement

928
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,920
across the line in a hundred years we

929
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,440
can look back and that looks the same as

930
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,079
it does now so thank you all so much

931
00:40:18,079 --> 00:40:19,440
that's all I have Mayor.

932
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,599
>> Okay, Council Smith.

933
00:40:21,599 --> 00:40:24,320
>> Um, I'm going to reiterate some of what

934
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,119
others have said, but this was my first

935
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:31,760
salmon supper serving and attending.

936
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,400
So, I've said that serving has actually

937
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,040
gotten me more involved in the events of

938
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,320
town. And so, um, but I have to give a

939
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,880
shout out to Lieutenant CPPley of the

940
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,720
police department. Hopefully, someone

941
00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:46,960
can pass it on to him.

942
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,680
I almost passed out a few times. It was

943
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,119
so hot. And he made sure I had plenty of

944
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,119
water and he checked on me and he

945
00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:56,880
offered to come in in his uniform and

946
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,680
serve for me. And so he was just

947
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,240
incredibly awesome that he just made

948
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:05,599
sure that I was okay. Um

949
00:41:05,599 --> 00:41:08,000
I am excited for onion days and I've

950
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,720
already got my whole calendar full. So I

951
00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,359
hope everyone is excited for that.

952
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:15,680
And then the two things I wanted to

953
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,119
follow up on. Um, have we had any

954
00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:22,160
movement with the Tabitha wave bin

955
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:25,359
request? Those mattresses outside are

956
00:41:25,359 --> 00:41:30,400
quite aesthetically pleasing.

957
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,599
I would love to know who dropped them.

958
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:36,720
Yeah. So, that was my first. If we could

959
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,119
get a followup on that. Um, the second

960
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:42,800
is kind of going back to Ryan's talking

961
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,720
about the power. I am excited about the

962
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,640
UAP's convention to learn more. Um, and

963
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,640
Sean's great at answering things, but

964
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,800
curious where we are of the

965
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,560
information we were going to provide for

966
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,319
residents to kind of break down

967
00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:02,319
everything cuz there was another thing

968
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:04,640
that came up the other day and I had to

969
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,160
reach out to Sean and we found an

970
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,920
inconsistency of what it's called on the

971
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,400
bills. So, just

972
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,000
>> I think it was in regards to solar,

973
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:12,560
correct?

974
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,480
>> But then found out everyone's charged

975
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,400
it's named something different on your

976
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,440
bill. So, and then I didn't even it

977
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:20,720
didn't even pull up on my bill, but it's

978
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:22,560
built in. So,

979
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,400
>> thanks for following up on that.

980
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,920
>> Um, we've been compiling all all of that

981
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:28,640
information.

982
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:29,599
>> Okay.

983
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,400
>> Trying to get all of it

984
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:33,920
>> in a way that is actually

985
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,839
representational, okay? An apples to

986
00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:38,000
apples comparison because some of the

987
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:39,920
information that our other sister cities

988
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,079
published maybe put them in a better

989
00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:46,000
light than they really are. So, we're read we're going through all of

990
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,760
that and then we'll update all of you.

991
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:48,160
>> Okay.

992
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,200
>> Thanks for following up.

993
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,839
>> Yeah. But that's it. So, just thanks to

994
00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:53,440
everyone.

995
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,319
>> Thanks, Lacy.

996
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:58,160
>> Okay.

997
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,319
We'll go ahead and we'll we won't call

998
00:43:00,319 --> 00:43:04,004
you up, Travis, but this next is

999
00:43:04,004 --> 00:43:04,319
[laughter]

1000
00:43:04,319 --> 00:43:04,720
>> okay.

1001
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,040
>> I'll apologize. I got you resolution.

1002
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,480
>> Two and a half months of doing both

1003
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:09,839
jobs. I got too excited.

1004
00:43:09,839 --> 00:43:11,440
>> That's okay.

1005
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:13,359
uh appointment of a new city engineer.

1006
00:43:13,359 --> 00:43:17,680
So Tra any any discussion council?

1007
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,560
I said not if when. So I I I'll stand

1008
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:21,760
with that.

1009
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,599
>> I'm excited for Travis to have another

1010
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:25,760
engineer to geek out with.

1011
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,200
>> Oh yeah, it'll be good.

1012
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,160
>> That's all.

1013
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,400
>> Okay. Unless there's any any more

1014
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,599
discussion regarding

1015
00:43:31,599 --> 00:43:32,800
>> Just to be clear, this is this is

1016
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:34,480
filling a vacancy. This is not the

1017
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:35,760
creation of a new

1018
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,480
>> That's right. Exactly. Yep.

1019
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,520
>> Yeah. And a badly needed one. Yes. So,

1020
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,359
okay, then I'm ready for a motion on

1021
00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:45,920
this item.

1022
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:48,000
>> Mayor, I motion that we approve the

1023
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,040
appointment of our new city engineer.

1024
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,319
>> Is there a second?

1025
00:43:52,319 --> 00:43:53,119
>> I'll second that.

1026
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:56,079
>> Okay, it's been motioned and seconded.

1027
00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:57,920
Roll call vote starting with council

1028
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,400
guard.

1029
00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,040
>> Yes.

1030
00:43:59,040 --> 00:43:59,839
>> Council Mos,

1031
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:00,079
>> yes.

1032
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:00,800
>> Council Rolley,

1033
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,119
>> yes.

1034
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:02,079
>> Council Smith,

1035
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:03,119
>> yes.

1036
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:03,920
>> Welcome.

1037
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:04,480
>> Yep.

1038
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:05,200
>> You're in.

1039
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,800
>> Do we need to get a picture? Did you

1040
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:09,119
mention somebody mentioned a picture?

1041
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:12,160
Love a picture. Let's do a picture.

1042
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:40,470
>> Josh, come on up.

1043
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,359
You won't be able to see your

1044
00:44:43,359 --> 00:44:49,190
>> number

1045
00:44:49,200 --> 00:45:10,630
one.

1046
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,319
Okay, we'll go on to number two.

1047
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:14,079
Ordinance amendment to the Pace City

1048
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:18,720
Code title 11 chapter 16 cemetery.

1049
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,240
Uh Tracy's now who's going to present

1050
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:21,280
that? Dave, you are?

1051
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,119
>> Yeah.

1052
00:45:23,119 --> 00:45:25,760
>> Yes. Sorry. Tracy was planning on this,

1053
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,880
but he had some PGA meetings out of

1054
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,599
state, so he asked that we take care of

1055
00:45:31,599 --> 00:45:33,440
it. I do have Derek here. Derek, why

1056
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,480
don't you come up? Derek's our sexton.

1057
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,000
He's put a lot of work into this since

1058
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,880
he was appointed uh to that position,

1059
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,160
and they've they've

1060
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,400
looked at several cities. They've talked

1061
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,960
to many of the mortuaries that we deal

1062
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:54,240
with and tried to make our ordinance uh

1063
00:45:54,240 --> 00:45:55,920
better representative of how the how we

1064
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,839
do business down there. I don't know if

1065
00:45:57,839 --> 00:45:59,280
you have anything to say on the

1066
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,599
contents, but and and you've had it in

1067
00:46:01,599 --> 00:46:04,000
your your packet if you've had a chance

1068
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,720
to read it, but we're we're we're

1069
00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:10,400
renaming a baby land to what was that? I

1070
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,160
just forgot.

1071
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,119
Um,

1072
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:13,839
>> Angelard,

1073
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:14,960
>> Angel Yeah,

1074
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:15,839
>> Angel Gardens.

1075
00:46:15,839 --> 00:46:18,880
We're just updating how

1076
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:20,880
we do things. We're We're hoping in the

1077
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,599
next year or so to have a a cremation

1078
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:30,640
wall uh to to help um the residents that want to do that. So, so I feel like

1079
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,880
the biggest part of what we did here was

1080
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:35,680
there was a lot of of monument companies

1081
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,520
when they brought stones. There was

1082
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,319
issues of how and when and where they

1083
00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:42,720
put them. We just made it simplified for

1084
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:44,400
them and we're trying to make it

1085
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,599
simplified for them of of paying online

1086
00:46:47,599 --> 00:46:50,480
as well as like when when to meet and

1087
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,000
all that. So, a lot of the ordinance

1088
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,319
stuff change was more to like for the

1089
00:46:54,319 --> 00:46:57,040
headstones and more for the the skirts

1090
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:00,160
of the headstones more for

1091
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:01,760
more to help the community as well.

1092
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,760
There was a few few times that like

1093
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,440
someone wanted to build a headstone and

1094
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,560
it wasn't up to what they wanted. So we

1095
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:10,240
expanded it a little bit, made it so

1096
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,240
that they could get what they wanted is

1097
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:13,839
basically what we did with with the

1098
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:17,119
ordinance. So

1099
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:18,400
>> yeah, and as I read through it, it

1100
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:19,760
looked good. And I I think it gives you

1101
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,440
some some autonomy to work with families

1102
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,440
as well, which is which is really good.

1103
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,760
And also streamlining of of making it

1104
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,359
simpler as these families are grieving

1105
00:47:27,359 --> 00:47:29,839
already. I'd hate for the cemetery to be

1106
00:47:29,839 --> 00:47:31,280
one more thing they have to worry about

1107
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:32,960
and stress out about. So I was glad to

1108
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,560
see this is streamlined, made easier for

1109
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,000
everybody. And we have we have updated

1110
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,920
Bobby has been working [snorts] hard.

1111
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:41,599
She's she's she works part-time in the

1112
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,520
front office. They would love to have

1113
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,160
her full-time, but she's been working on

1114
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,680
updating and and people can come in,

1115
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,680
take every get everything done. They

1116
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,200
they'll meet with Derek, but then all

1117
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,599
the payments are run through the front

1118
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:57,680
office here and Bobby and it just it

1119
00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,839
streams like streams lineing things and

1120
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:01,200
makes sure that we don't have any issues

1121
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,319
that way. So, our recommendation, if the

1122
00:48:04,319 --> 00:48:06,160
council's comfortable, is to adopt the

1123
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:09,680
amendments to the sanitary ordinance.

1124
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:11,839
>> Can I Oh, I was just going to say, is

1125
00:48:11,839 --> 00:48:12,640
there any discussion?

1126
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,000
>> I was going to ask just really quick.

1127
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:18,480
Um, on the abandonment of rights, then I

1128
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,440
know it referenced a Utah code section.

1129
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,040
>> I'll be honest, I didn't look it up, so

1130
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,359
I just thought I'd ask really quick.

1131
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:28,319
>> Do we reach out to the people before

1132
00:48:28,319 --> 00:48:30,319
like it's abandoned? So what I

1133
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:31,839
understand, so that that's our biggest

1134
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:35,119
thing is yes, we we aspect like all all

1135
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,079
resources to try to find who who it

1136
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:40,480
belongs to. And we've from what I from

1137
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,040
what I understand, we've never ever done

1138
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:43,760
that really.

1139
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,319
>> Okay.

1140
00:48:44,319 --> 00:48:46,240
>> It hasn't ever really been done. There

1141
00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:48,240
is some issues with the old section of

1142
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:50,240
the cemetery. There are there are some

1143
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:52,720
records that are lost. Um, that's where

1144
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:55,280
Bobby would be a huge benefit to our

1145
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,599
team is because there's there's old

1146
00:48:57,599 --> 00:48:59,359
records that she's going through.

1147
00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:01,680
There's unknowns out. [clears throat]

1148
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:03,680
We have names. It sounds bad, but

1149
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,599
they're out in the street and we're

1150
00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,359
trying to bring them into the old

1151
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:08,400
section of the cemetery.

1152
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:08,960
>> Oh, wow.

1153
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,359
>> Because they are there. We just don't

1154
00:49:11,359 --> 00:49:13,920
know where. And so, we've actually found

1155
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,520
some records through the county. So,

1156
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,520
we've been we've been working on a lot

1157
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,160
of that. So, there's there's some

1158
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,280
>> history with the the cemetery that that

1159
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,440
I don't want to mess with the old until

1160
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,800
we absolutely know 100% who's there,

1161
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,000
where they're at,

1162
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:32,880
>> and that. So,

1163
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,800
>> and and I'm guessing this is not a

1164
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:35,680
unique problem.

1165
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:37,920
>> It's not it's it's universal across all

1166
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,760
cemeteries because because the way that

1167
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,119
like I've talked to dozens of and back

1168
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:45,599
in the day, their record keeping wasn't

1169
00:49:45,599 --> 00:49:48,160
great, wasn't perfect. Um, during the

1170
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,960
Great Depression, people would put

1171
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,119
people into the ground and they would

1172
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:54,400
accidentally dig them up because they

1173
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,319
didn't know they were there. So, there's things that happened in

1174
00:49:58,319 --> 00:50:00,400
cemeteries that we're trying to do our

1175
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,480
best to find that.

1176
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:02,880
>> Okay.

1177
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,480
>> Where Bobby would be a huge asset to our

1178
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,760
team. So,

1179
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,240
>> okay,

1180
00:50:08,240 --> 00:50:10,480
>> she is a huge asset.

1181
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:11,839
>> That's something we can consider.

1182
00:50:11,839 --> 00:50:13,760
>> Yeah, we're looking at that with the the

1183
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:14,880
next budget year. But,

1184
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,720
>> yep. But under the state code, there's

1185
00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:18,400
there are specific provisions you have

1186
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,240
to do. If if you can't locate them, you

1187
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:21,359
have to publish in the paper. And

1188
00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:23,599
there's there's ways to try to give

1189
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,599
notice before you take action and take

1190
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:26,640
those back.

1191
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,480
>> Okay. That that was my biggest thing,

1192
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:29,760
especially when it came to like the

1193
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,240
family plot areas. And it just kind of

1194
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:33,839
popped in my head like,

1195
00:50:33,839 --> 00:50:36,400
>> oh, that would be horrible if you

1196
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,400
someone bought it and then it's gone.

1197
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,119
And so, okay.

1198
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:44,880
>> Okay. Any other discussion?

1199
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:45,359
Okay.

1200
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:49,119
>> Okay. Lacking any other discussion, I'm ready for a motion on on this

1201
00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:49,839
ordinance.

1202
00:50:49,839 --> 00:50:51,839
>> Mayor, [clears throat] go ahead.

1203
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:53,599
>> Mayor I motion that we approve the

1204
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:55,440
amendment to the Pacin City Code Title

1205
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,400
11 Chapter 16 City Cemetery.

1206
00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:59,200
>> I'll second.

1207
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,280
>> I have a motion and seconded. Roll call

1208
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,800
vote. Starting with council Smith.

1209
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:03,200
>> Yes.

1210
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,160
>> Council Rowling.

1211
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:04,480
>> Yes.

1212
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,440
>> Council Moss.

1213
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:05,839
>> Yes.

1214
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:07,040
>> Council Postgard.

1215
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:07,440
>> Yes.

1216
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,040
>> Okay. Wonderful. Motion carries.

1217
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:13,040
Moving to number three, public hearing

1218
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,280
resolution adopting the amended pace and

1219
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,839
city fee schedule regarding cemetery

1220
00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:20,240
fees.

1221
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,760
>> This part, this is a a proposal to amend

1222
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:27,119
uh the fees for the the sal lots. Um

1223
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:29,280
Tracy and Bobby

1224
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:32,800
um and and Derek

1225
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:35,599
I'm trying to move this just for the

1226
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,559
council's um information went through a

1227
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,800
lot of the cities in Utah County about

1228
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,430
what they charge. Um

1229
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,040
and so I don't know if you've had a ch

1230
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,559
Well, this wasn't in your packet but

1231
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:50,880
here's Pacin City in the blue for a

1232
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,760
single lot residence 800 non-residents

1233
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,240
12. You go over to Santa Quinn, it's 8

1234
00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:00,319
and 2,000. Salem is 1,00 to 2500.

1235
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:03,040
Spanish Forks anywhere from a,000 to,400

1236
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,000
up to 16 to 2,000. You go across

1237
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:07,599
Springville.

1238
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,720
Um, Pac and Mapleton are probably some

1239
00:52:10,720 --> 00:52:13,440
of the lower ones. Um, but it's the one

1240
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,160
that stood out that that

1241
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:18,400
Derek and he can speak to this is the

1242
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,079
non-residents

1243
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:21,680
are very low compared to what other

1244
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,280
cities are doing. And it sounds like

1245
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:24,720
we're getting a lot of people

1246
00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:26,240
non-residents coming here because it's

1247
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:27,839
so cheap.

1248
00:52:27,839 --> 00:52:30,079
>> Yeah. So, it's a huge like since I've

1249
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:31,520
been in this position, I've kind of seen

1250
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,960
that the the non-residents fee is one of

1251
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:36,800
the lowest. And so, we do we get a lot

1252
00:52:36,800 --> 00:52:39,920
of people that are from other cities,

1253
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,319
even Salt Lake, even somewhere like

1254
00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:44,880
because their fees are so heavy up there

1255
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,280
that they come down here.

1256
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,040
I I I speak highly of the cemetery, but

1257
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,119
it's probably one of the most prettiest

1258
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:55,680
cemeteries in Utah County. If you if you

1259
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:58,000
travel cemeteries, it is one of the most

1260
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,480
pristine, well taken care of, maintained

1261
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,720
cemeteries. You can go to Spanish, you

1262
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:05,599
can go to Sanwin. We put a high standard

1263
00:53:05,599 --> 00:53:08,079
on it. We really do. We care a lot. So,

1264
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,880
I I just feel like if if you want to be

1265
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,000
buried in PAC cemetery and you're a

1266
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,400
non-resident, you should probably pay

1267
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,880
equal or somewhat close to other cities

1268
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,000
non-resident.

1269
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,680
>> Y I I have one question about that. Uh

1270
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,920
as I looked at this uh my mind

1271
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:29,040
immediately went to people that were

1272
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,960
born and raised here in PAC were

1273
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,480
educated

1274
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,400
um through the school system and then

1275
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,200
moved away because of employment and now

1276
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,240
wants to come back here to be buried.

1277
00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:42,240
Do we treat them as non-resident? Do we

1278
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:45,680
treat them as a resident?

1279
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:46,319
Good question.

1280
00:53:46,319 --> 00:53:48,319
>> We we have treated them as non-resident

1281
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:50,240
if they've moved and that's that's

1282
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,079
tough. I I know when I've had discussion

1283
00:53:52,079 --> 00:53:53,520
with Tracy and Derek, I don't know if

1284
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,000
you've had that discussion too. It's

1285
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,000
some cemeteries now a lot of you still

1286
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:00,160
do the resident non-resident. Some

1287
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,000
cemeteries are going away from that.

1288
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,160
Just put it like in the middle because

1289
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:06,559
so [clears throat] you don't have that

1290
00:54:06,559 --> 00:54:07,920
argument. some people that have lived

1291
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:09,359
here their whole life but have to go to

1292
00:54:09,359 --> 00:54:12,240
a a care center in another town

1293
00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,559
>> or some that have never been a resident

1294
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:17,280
and all of a sudden come here. There's

1295
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,040
just

1296
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:22,000
he likes the idea of of just making it

1297
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,839
one rate for everybody, but I know that

1298
00:54:23,839 --> 00:54:26,640
there's a there's a reason to have to

1299
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,480
have your residents have a better break.

1300
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:30,960
So, we didn't recommend that.

1301
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,319
>> I think it's important too we give the

1302
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:34,319
section that autonomy to make some of

1303
00:54:34,319 --> 00:54:36,319
those calls. And also I think I think

1304
00:54:36,319 --> 00:54:38,720
too with with someone that's lived here

1305
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:40,640
for years and years and only moved away

1306
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,800
to go to a care facility, I would

1307
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:44,559
absolutely call them a resident. And I

1308
00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:45,119
hope we are.

1309
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:46,559
>> And we do.

1310
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:49,119
>> Um we do usually on those if they're at

1311
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:51,200
a care facility for x amount of years,

1312
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,599
we do. And they've been living here, we consider them a resident for sure.

1313
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:57,839
>> What I tell people is so I'm I'm a

1314
00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:00,880
Spanish for boy raised in Spanish for

1315
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,960
guess what? I'll probably not be buried

1316
00:55:02,960 --> 00:55:06,960
in Spanish for so I feel like I'll

1317
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:09,040
probably be buried in PAC because now I

1318
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,960
become a PAC resident. I married a girl

1319
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,319
from PAC. So I feel like the benefit of

1320
00:55:14,319 --> 00:55:17,040
living here paying and you know if you

1321
00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:19,119
move away like I moved away from Spanish

1322
00:55:19,119 --> 00:55:22,720
for I I doubt I mean I spent my dad was

1323
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,680
a teacher there for 32 years. They're

1324
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,599
not going to give me a non-resident fee.

1325
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:29,760
I mean they will give me a non-resident

1326
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,240
fee. So I feel like to give the

1327
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:37,680
residents that live here that that's kind of where where I'm at.

1328
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:38,240
>> So

1329
00:55:38,240 --> 00:55:40,480
>> well it's it's it's expensive to run a

1330
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,200
cemetery and when we have to replace you

1331
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:45,440
know add to the cemetery it costs a lot

1332
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,000
of money.

1333
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,119
>> Yeah.

1334
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,799
>> Can I ask why? Um I I understand the

1335
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:53,920
raising of prices. I get that. the one

1336
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,799
that kind of gave me a little like

1337
00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:59,839
the increase on the infant one. I felt

1338
00:55:59,839 --> 00:56:02,480
like it was

1339
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,280
>> it went up 250 versus others didn't go

1340
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,240
up as much. And also like I don't know

1341
00:56:08,240 --> 00:56:10,160
anything about cemeteries other than

1342
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,640
what I you know going but I guess like

1343
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,440
to me I'm like it's a smaller plot like

1344
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,319
and I couldn't imagine having to go pay

1345
00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:20,240
I guess

1346
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:23,359
>> it is negotiable. It is 100%. Um, I feel

1347
00:56:23,359 --> 00:56:25,359
like most most of the time what happens

1348
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:28,000
with infants, so you're aware, is

1349
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:31,839
they're buried on top of grandparents.

1350
00:56:31,839 --> 00:56:34,880
And so with that, all they pay is um an

1351
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:36,400
opening closing fee.

1352
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:37,119
>> Okay.

1353
00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:38,640
>> So that's the majority of what I've

1354
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,400
seen. But yeah, like I said, it's

1355
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,920
negotiable because even the the

1356
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,480
veterans, it didn't it didn't move

1357
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:46,000
because when I got in there, I didn't

1358
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,599
understand why the veterans were paying

1359
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:50,480
$50 more. In my world, I'm like, they're

1360
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:52,559
veterans. they served our country. So, I

1361
00:56:52,559 --> 00:56:55,599
left I left the veterans at 850. And as

1362
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:58,480
for infants, I I'm not opposed to to

1363
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,559
keeping that at the same price.

1364
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:02,799
>> I guess that was just my biggest is that

1365
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:06,880
I I I wouldn't want to add an extra fee

1366
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,040
to a family that I mean, any death is

1367
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,280
obviously

1368
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,880
not a great thing to go through, but an

1369
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:17,359
infant, I couldn't like that's just as a mom, I saw that and

1370
00:57:17,359 --> 00:57:18,960
just thought, why is it so much more of

1371
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,400
an increase? And so

1372
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:22,400
>> yeah, I I thought the same thing, Lacy,

1373
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:23,760
and I'd like to see the infant cost

1374
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,680
right around $400 if we were going to

1375
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,839
raise it and no higher than that.

1376
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:29,599
>> Yeah.

1377
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:31,040
>> So, say that again.

1378
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:33,680
>> $400 on the infant fee rather than uh

1379
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,359
the 600.

1380
00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:37,440
>> The 600 what's currently what it

1381
00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:39,200
currently is. They want to

1382
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:40,720
>> Well, the 850 is the green. Yeah. Well,

1383
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,240
let's let's say go down then. Let's go.

1384
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,520
>> You want to leave it at 600 or

1385
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,520
>> 600 or even go less? Because if you look

1386
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,760
at the rate, we're we're increasing the

1387
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:50,319
uh the the the resident rate from 800 to

1388
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:51,680
a,000.

1389
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:53,520
>> You know, I that that's

1390
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:54,079
>> 20%.

1391
00:57:54,079 --> 00:57:57,119
>> That's expensive, too.

1392
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:58,480
>> But I see the cost and we're still one

1393
00:57:58,480 --> 00:57:59,359
of the cheaper, but

1394
00:57:59,359 --> 00:58:00,720
>> yeah, I would just like to keep the

1395
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,240
infinite at least where it's at.

1396
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,240
Personally, it's

1397
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:04,799
>> I agree.

1398
00:58:04,799 --> 00:58:07,359
>> Just a So, do you want to keep it at the

1399
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:09,280
600? Is that what it is right now? I

1400
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,599
mean, I do like Ryan's thing, but I I

1401
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:14,079
think that the 600 is more is better

1402
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:17,200
than 850. So, yes, I that's fine.

1403
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,040
>> I thought the the previous slide showed

1404
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,920
that our infant rate was like 250.

1405
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:23,599
>> That's the open and close, I think.

1406
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:24,640
Right.

1407
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:26,160
>> That's the open and close.

1408
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:26,559
>> Okay.

1409
00:58:26,559 --> 00:58:27,040
>> Yeah.

1410
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,359
>> And like I said, majority since I've

1411
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:31,440
been in the majority of the time,

1412
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,760
infants are usually buried on top of

1413
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,119
grandparents.

1414
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:36,319
>> So, they wouldn't have to buy a separate

1415
00:58:36,319 --> 00:58:36,640
lot.

1416
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:37,599
>> They wouldn't have to buy a separate

1417
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,040
lot. pay the open and close.

1418
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:41,040
>> So that's if they buy the entire lot,

1419
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:41,760
the plot.

1420
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,000
>> So on this new one though, it crosses

1421
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,359
out the resident infant and just leaves

1422
00:58:47,359 --> 00:58:52,880
it at the 550 and a,000. Can we

1423
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:55,119
not do that under the open and close

1424
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:59,040
single? It's crossed out.

1425
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:00,640
>> Oh, that's like

1426
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,319
>> is that you're trying to get rid of

1427
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:05,359
that? bury me really really deep so my

1428
00:59:05,359 --> 00:59:07,440
grandkids and their spouses can be

1429
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,119
>> does that do you see that

1430
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:10,720
>> under under the open and close right

1431
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,559
there the resident infant and non-infant

1432
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:15,200
and the resident veteran is crossed out

1433
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:18,480
like it's with a line of through it

1434
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,359
>> so are we

1435
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:23,040
out

1436
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:25,280
>> yeah that's a good good thought

1437
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:26,480
>> okay because I didn't know if we were

1438
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:26,720
just

1439
00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,559
>> I think Kathy that you've you've got

1440
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:30,480
something to add don't you

1441
00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:31,920
>> I didn't know if we were making it all

1442
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:35,200
the same price for open and close.

1443
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,319
>> Sorry, I'm not trying to make it

1444
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:38,880
complicated.

1445
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:41,280
>> It's crossed out. That's old rate. It's

1446
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,599
either new language or we just

1447
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:44,559
eliminate.

1448
00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,559
>> Okay, so it would be nothing because in

1449
00:59:46,559 --> 00:59:47,920
the green it's nothing.

1450
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,640
>> 250 and 350 to open close, but we put

1451
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:51,440
zero here,

1452
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:53,200
>> right? We eliminated that.

1453
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:53,920
>> Okay. So,

1454
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,000
>> so if it's a infant open and close, they

1455
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:57,839
will not be charged,

1456
00:59:57,839 --> 01:00:00,240
>> right? That's my understanding. Yeah. or

1457
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:01,839
would they be ch charged the same rate

1458
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:03,040
>> or are they going to be charged the same

1459
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:05,280
rate as an adult? That's what I was

1460
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:06,960
>> worried about.

1461
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:08,240
>> And I can't tell you on that.

1462
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,839
>> Can we verify that?

1463
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:11,920
>> Yeah, this was how it was handed to me.

1464
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,240
So, I'm assuming that they don't charge

1465
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,160
for that. Is that why

1466
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,000
>> question? I don't know. I maybe it's the total, but we can we can

1467
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:20,880
definitely look at that.

1468
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,640
>> Okay. So, if we approve this, can we

1469
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:23,680
like put that?

1470
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,599
>> Maybe uh if it's not too much trouble,

1471
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:26,960
maybe we just send this back and you

1472
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:27,200
guys

1473
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,920
>> You want to bring it back? Let's look

1474
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:30,400
through this.

1475
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,920
>> Keep the infant the same and then uh

1476
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,240
>> figure out the not the open and close.

1477
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:38,640
>> Okay. So, the direction is to to keep

1478
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:39,839
the

1479
01:00:39,839 --> 01:00:43,440
>> the uh the same as it was and then we

1480
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,480
got to check on the

1481
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,880
>> figure out the resident veteran and the

1482
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,960
infant open and close. Yeah.

1483
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,119
>> Okay. I think that's a good table.

1484
01:00:51,119 --> 01:00:51,680
>> Okay.

1485
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,079
>> I have one question really quick. So,

1486
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:55,680
when someone is cremated, where do we

1487
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,599
put them now?

1488
01:00:57,599 --> 01:00:59,599
in a regular plot

1489
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:01,760
>> almost the same thing. So, so what we do

1490
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,079
with a regular plot is we sell it but we

1491
01:01:04,079 --> 01:01:06,240
also allow them to divide it up into

1492
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,920
cremation has become more and more a

1493
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,200
popular thing.

1494
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,400
>> So like he said I we I would love to see

1495
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,000
niche walls put in.

1496
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:18,559
>> My goal is to get niche walls. Um, so as

1497
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,000
of right now, most of the time they will

1498
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,520
buy a full plot.

1499
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:21,920
>> Mhm.

1500
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,680
>> And then there's four places for four

1501
01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:26,880
cremations as well as as an infant like

1502
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:29,040
so. So so we divide a plot into four,

1503
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,040
but I almost make people dedicate them

1504
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,000
to a cremation plot or I require a vault

1505
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,720
for the cremation in case a traditional

1506
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:38,480
because realistically a traditional can

1507
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:39,680
go in the ground

1508
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,319
>> and then three can go on tops.

1509
01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:42,720
>> Okay,

1510
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:44,240
>> if that makes sense. Yeah.

1511
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,160
>> So that's that's what we're seeing a lot

1512
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,599
of is is people families, they all know

1513
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:51,040
that they're going to be cremated. So

1514
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,599
they'll buy one plot and then we've just

1515
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:55,280
been dividing it.

1516
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,000
>> If we have a wall, it'll it'll save save

1517
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:58,480
area.

1518
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,799
>> And they project by 2030 that like

1519
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:04,480
anywhere from about 30 to 40% of people

1520
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,280
are going towards cremations. So it's a

1521
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,000
huge thing. So with the with the infant

1522
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,240
one, I would like to also like I mean

1523
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,079
future planning, I would like to have

1524
01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:16,559
like an infant area as well as the

1525
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:18,720
cremain's area because as as the

1526
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,680
cemetery sits now, there's an area in

1527
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,599
the old section where there was infants.

1528
01:02:23,599 --> 01:02:25,440
It got full then we just moved it to

1529
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:27,520
another section. I would love to have a

1530
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:30,480
dedicated area just for infants,

1531
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:31,920
>> like an infant garden where it's

1532
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,160
beautified with the niche wall. That's

1533
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:35,760
that would be my my

1534
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,760
>> I say you come back with a with a

1535
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:38,400
proposal.

1536
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,920
>> A lot of cities have that. A lot of

1537
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,799
cities have like a designated area for

1538
01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:45,520
infants and cremations and they're there

1539
01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:47,280
kind of be put together and beautified

1540
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:48,480
and there it's

1541
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,079
>> there's benches there.

1542
01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:52,160
>> Yeah, it looks really nice. So So my

1543
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:54,400
goal is a sexton that's that's

1544
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,799
>> as the future that's what I'm pushing.

1545
01:02:56,799 --> 01:02:58,960
>> Bring us back your your design your idea

1546
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,240
and let's do it.

1547
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:01,760
>> And thank you for changing the name of

1548
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,920
where the infants are too. I I got a lot

1549
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,240
of push back from especially women in

1550
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,000
the city that they were like baby horns.

1551
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,200
>> Yeah. I don't like I didn't like that

1552
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:09,680
either.

1553
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,400
>> So So I I talked to a bunch of other

1554
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,160
cemeteries and just got some ideas of

1555
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:15,760
what they did. That's kind of the

1556
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,119
direction we went.

1557
01:03:17,119 --> 01:03:18,880
>> Okay. So there's no need for us to do a

1558
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:20,400
public hearing at this point in time if

1559
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:21,839
it's going to come back up for tableing.

1560
01:03:21,839 --> 01:03:22,720
>> We need a motion to take

1561
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,319
>> It is set as a public hearing. If you

1562
01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:25,839
want to open a public hearing in case

1563
01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:26,480
people want to

1564
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:27,920
>> Okay.

1565
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:29,280
>> Because it's scheduled for tonight.

1566
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,520
>> We'll go I'll I'll take a motion to open

1567
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,520
a public hearing. So moved.

1568
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:34,079
>> Second.

1569
01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:36,000
>> Okay. Roll call vote starting with

1570
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,280
council

1571
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:37,839
>> Smith.

1572
01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:38,160
>> Yes.

1573
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:38,960
>> Council Helet.

1574
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:39,280
>> Yes.

1575
01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:40,079
>> Council Rolley.

1576
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:40,480
>> Yes.

1577
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:41,280
>> Council Moss.

1578
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:41,520
>> Yes.

1579
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,039
>> Council Pos.

1580
01:03:43,039 --> 01:03:45,680
>> Okay. Uh the motion carries. Uh we'll

1581
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,160
open up a public hearing on this item.

1582
01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:49,760
>> Please step to the mic if you'd like to

1583
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,160
talk with us and speak clearly. Remind

1584
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,799
your your time limit would be right

1585
01:03:54,799 --> 01:03:56,799
around three minutes. Uh and whether you

1586
01:03:56,799 --> 01:03:58,480
agree or disagree with the information

1587
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:01,200
that we've pre had presented to us. So

1588
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,880
we'll go ahead and and and the other

1589
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:05,440
thing is to identify yourself as well.

1590
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:10,870
So we'll go to that point.

1591
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:12,400
Not seeing anybody would like to take

1592
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,480
advantage of the public hearing. I'll

1593
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:16,240
accept a motion to close it.

1594
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:17,839
>> Hang on. Oh, no. We have Oh, come on up.

1595
01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:18,880
I'm sorry.

1596
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,160
>> I looked down on my paper too quick.

1597
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,400
>> I just have a question. Um, I'm an

1598
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,960
archaeologist and much of our work has

1599
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:29,200
to do with cemeteries in understanding

1600
01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:30,799
the culture of the people who inter

1601
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:33,119
their their loved ones. Are there

1602
01:04:33,119 --> 01:04:35,839
different rates for the place in the

1603
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:38,240
cemetery where people purchase pots?

1604
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:39,680
>> No.

1605
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:41,760
>> Okay. Simple. Good

1606
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,079
>> name, too.

1607
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:46,160
>> Connie Ericson.

1608
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:46,720
Okay.

1609
01:04:46,720 --> 01:04:49,359
>> Beloved Connie Ericson.

1610
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:51,440
>> Thank you, Connie.

1611
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,019
>> Anyone else?

1612
01:04:54,019 --> 01:04:55,200
>> [clears throat]

1613
01:04:55,200 --> 01:04:57,839
>> Okay, not seeing anyone. I'll accept a

1614
01:04:57,839 --> 01:04:59,760
motion to close the public hearing. So

1615
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:00,480
moved.

1616
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:01,440
>> Second.

1617
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:02,880
>> Oh, we got two seconds. Okay.

1618
01:05:02,880 --> 01:05:04,079
>> And can have it.

1619
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,400
>> And you've got it. Okay. Roll call vote.

1620
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:07,760
Council provos guard.

1621
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:08,160
>> Yes.

1622
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:08,880
>> Council Moss.

1623
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:09,440
>> Yes. Council

1624
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:09,839
>> Willie.

1625
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:10,079
>> Yes.

1626
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:10,880
>> Council Plet.

1627
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,359
>> Yes.

1628
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:12,319
>> Council Smith.

1629
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:12,640
>> Yes.

1630
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:12,960
>> Okay.

1631
01:05:12,960 --> 01:05:14,559
>> And I make a motion to table it now

1632
01:05:14,559 --> 01:05:15,280
until

1633
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,359
>> Please do. I would make a motion that we

1634
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:19,680
table the [snorts] adoption the the

1635
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,440
adoption to amend pace and city fee

1636
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,039
schedule regarding se cemetery fees uh

1637
01:05:25,039 --> 01:05:27,440
until staff can review the proposed

1638
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,400
>> a second

1639
01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:29,920
>> and you we have a motion been second

1640
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:32,000
>> and I'll second adding that yeah we look

1641
01:05:32,000 --> 01:05:34,960
at um clarifying the fee schedule

1642
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:38,079
including for veterans and then also uh

1643
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:41,680
not raising the infant lot rate but

1644
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:44,480
>> okay with your motion it's great but

1645
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,400
will you defer

1646
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,039
Okay. [laughter]

1647
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:50,400
>> Oh, yeah. You don't have your microphone

1648
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:51,680
on. It's not real.

1649
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:53,760
>> I heard it.

1650
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,520
>> Okay. Good. We have a motion been

1651
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,839
seconded. Uh roll call vote starting with council

1652
01:05:59,839 --> 01:06:00,240
Smith.

1653
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:00,559
>> Yes.

1654
01:06:00,559 --> 01:06:01,680
>> Council, yes.

1655
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:02,559
>> Council Roelly,

1656
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:02,880
>> yes.

1657
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:03,680
>> Council Moss,

1658
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:04,079
>> yes.

1659
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:05,200
>> Council Provoscar,

1660
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:05,599
>> yes.

1661
01:06:05,599 --> 01:06:07,359
>> Okay. Thank you. The motion.

1662
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:08,640
>> We'll bring it back to next the next

1663
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:09,760
meeting.

1664
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,079
>> Okay. These next two, ladies and

1665
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:15,359
gentlemen, have to do with the uh uh

1666
01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:18,640
Manglesen zone change on the e east side

1667
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:21,039
comprehensive plan. So, what we will do,

1668
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:23,280
we'll have Michael come up and talk

1669
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,359
about both of them and then uh after he

1670
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:29,599
talks about both of them, then we would

1671
01:06:29,599 --> 01:06:32,319
like to have uh what we had talked about

1672
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:35,440
some for or some against. Give you some

1673
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:38,079
time there. uh whether we do that before

1674
01:06:38,079 --> 01:06:40,319
council discussion or after we can we

1675
01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:42,079
can play with that a little bit but

1676
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:43,920
we'll go ahead and list then we'll have

1677
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,400
to do each one of these separate but go

1678
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,520
ahead Michael

1679
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,160
thanks mayor um

1680
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,039
so this is two requests tonight uh first

1681
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:57,520
is a general plan amendment to the east

1682
01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,400
side comprehensive plan which is um a

1683
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,960
specific area plan of the city and

1684
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:06,559
thereby an addendum to our general plan.

1685
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:09,920
Second request is for a zone change if

1686
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,039
the general plan amendment is approved.

1687
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,280
And the zone change would be we'll

1688
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,319
discuss that in a few minutes. Uh to

1689
01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:20,079
give you some context of the area, I

1690
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:21,440
think most everybody knows where we're

1691
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,520
talking about, but here's a little map

1692
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,799
zoom in of the area. You can see the uh

1693
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:29,760
mouse cursor there. That is uh just

1694
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:32,640
north of that. You can see it's 10300 in

1695
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:36,880
the county or 100 south in PAC and to

1696
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,160
the east of that that's 1300 east in PAC

1697
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:44,880
and I can't quite read that 2300 west.

1698
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:51,829
>> Um okay

1699
01:07:51,839 --> 01:07:55,520
so um like I said there's two approvals

1700
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,200
being sought tonight. one for an

1701
01:07:57,200 --> 01:07:58,960
amendment to the eastside comprehensive

1702
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:01,760
plan from the active living designation

1703
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:05,680
to the traditional designation. Um and

1704
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,559
then the second request is for the R19

1705
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:11,599
residential zone change. Uh so city

1706
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:13,680
council's role tonight would be either

1707
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:15,760
approval or denial of both of these

1708
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:18,880
requests. Uh this has formerly gone to

1709
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,319
the planning commission. They had a

1710
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:23,520
public hearing there. They uh received

1711
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,600
much public comment both in person and

1712
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:30,880
emailed and written. Uh we read those

1713
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:34,319
comments into that public hearing. Uh

1714
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:36,000
council, I believe you've seen those

1715
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,400
comments and you've probably uh

1716
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,440
witnessed and watched that um that

1717
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:44,799
public hearing. Uh staff's role in this

1718
01:08:44,799 --> 01:08:47,679
situation would be if these approvals

1719
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:49,520
were granted tonight, then staff would

1720
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,159
do any of the subdivision and site plan

1721
01:08:52,159 --> 01:08:55,679
processes associated with development in

1722
01:08:55,679 --> 01:08:58,400
this area.

1723
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:02,319
So necessary approvals for for what's

1724
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,799
being asked tonight. The only thing

1725
01:09:04,799 --> 01:09:07,040
that's being asked for is the amendment

1726
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,440
to the east side comprehensive plan and

1727
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:11,520
the zoning amendment. There's other

1728
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,159
possible approvals that have not yet

1729
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:16,319
been applied for. One of them including

1730
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:20,000
the uh RMO two family overlay. The other

1731
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:22,719
would be subdivision applications and

1732
01:09:22,719 --> 01:09:27,510
building permits.

1733
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,600
A little bit about public comments. Uh

1734
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,199
as I said, they they were quite

1735
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:32,719
extensive. There's definitely a lot of

1736
01:09:32,719 --> 01:09:35,600
interest in this area and a lot of uh

1737
01:09:35,600 --> 01:09:39,359
concerned citizens. Um,

1738
01:09:39,359 --> 01:09:42,239
I'm not going to read public comments. I

1739
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:44,159
do have the comments from the meeting

1740
01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:46,719
minutes if you want to talk about any of

1741
01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:47,920
them or if you have any questions of

1742
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:50,719
them. But for the most part, comments

1743
01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:53,040
centered around these bulleted topics of

1744
01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:55,280
growth, infrastructure, neighborhood

1745
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,880
stability, safety, parking, uh, property

1746
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,679
values, agricultural land taxes,

1747
01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:04,800
wildlife, and

1748
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:08,480
things related to those topics.

1749
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:10,560
Uh, a little bit of history here. So,

1750
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,840
the initial application, the applicant

1751
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:15,520
requested an amendment to the ESI

1752
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:17,679
comprehensive plan. Essentially, they

1753
01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:19,520
wanted to remove the active living

1754
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:20,960
designation from the east side

1755
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,280
comprehensive plan so that they wouldn't

1756
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,920
have that restriction of a 55 plus

1757
01:10:25,920 --> 01:10:27,840
community, but they could build any kind

1758
01:10:27,840 --> 01:10:30,239
of residential development. And then

1759
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:33,679
they requested a zone change to the R110

1760
01:10:33,679 --> 01:10:38,400
zone and the uh RMF-15.

1761
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,800
uh staff recommendation after receiving

1762
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,080
this application from the applicant uh

1763
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,239
recommended the district designation in

1764
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:48,800
the east side comprehensive plan and a

1765
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,840
zone change to that R110

1766
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,320
with the RMF in the range of six to

1767
01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,840
eight units to the acre. Uh planning

1768
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,679
commission held their public hearing and

1769
01:10:59,679 --> 01:11:03,600
their u meeting. planning commission uh

1770
01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:05,920
made the determination they felt as if

1771
01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,199
the district would be a good

1772
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,840
designation. Um and this is a difficult

1773
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:11,920
situation because they had to vote on

1774
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:13,840
one before the other. So they voted on

1775
01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:16,400
this this district and then they decided

1776
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,360
they felt as if the R19 zone would be an

1777
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:23,840
appropriate uh zone change. um coming

1778
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:28,400
back around. Uh staff and the applicant

1779
01:11:28,400 --> 01:11:30,800
discussed after this planning commission

1780
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,760
meeting and felt as if um the

1781
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,920
traditional designation fits better with

1782
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,600
the R1 R19 zoning designation and so

1783
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,520
that's why we're differing in a

1784
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,960
recommendation on the plan. Uh and then

1785
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:46,719
the zone change recommendation is the

1786
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,640
same as what was proposed by planning

1787
01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,159
commission.

1788
01:11:50,159 --> 01:11:53,040
So now um we'll just talk a little bit

1789
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:55,600
about the east side comprehensive plan

1790
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,920
and the request to the traditional

1791
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:00,560
designation.

1792
01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:04,560
Um so these are um this is language

1793
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,120
right out of the plan of what active

1794
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:12,000
living is and uh in blue that's in the

1795
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,800
general plan not the east side plan of

1796
01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:17,360
what this area would entail if the

1797
01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:20,000
general plan was followed. And then fi

1798
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,159
finally the last one is the district.

1799
01:12:22,159 --> 01:12:23,920
This is in the east side comprehensive

1800
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:26,719
plan as well. Uh providing a kind of a

1801
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:29,520
definition of what that would entail for

1802
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:31,360
future development. So I'm not going to

1803
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:32,800
read those unless you have questions

1804
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:33,440
about them.

1805
01:12:33,440 --> 01:12:35,679
>> Michael, can I ask a question? Uh on the

1806
01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:37,360
east side comprehensive plan, the active

1807
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,440
living, no density is identified. That

1808
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:42,159
phrase is quite frightening. Um, if it

1809
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:44,400
stays active living, uh, could it be as

1810
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,800
dense as what we see, uh, not too far

1811
01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,560
away from that of high-rise, um, 55 plus

1812
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:51,679
apartments?

1813
01:12:51,679 --> 01:12:53,920
>> No. Uh, because that that needs a

1814
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:55,679
different zoning designation for that

1815
01:12:55,679 --> 01:12:57,600
and then a different overlay designation

1816
01:12:57,600 --> 01:12:59,679
for that. Um, it would be more like

1817
01:12:59,679 --> 01:13:02,320
Heritage Village or I can't remember the

1818
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,719
name of the place across from 198, but

1819
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:06,719
there's Mountain View Estates.

1820
01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:08,560
>> Yes, Mountain View. I believe there's

1821
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:11,199
twin homes and like some some single

1822
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:13,679
level town home type development there.

1823
01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:16,320
>> It does say designed for singlestory,

1824
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:19,840
>> but then it says,

1825
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:21,360
>> right? It's kind of

1826
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,280
>> Yeah, there's there's some interesting

1827
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:24,719
language about the apartments.

1828
01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:26,320
>> Yeah, that's some vague language that uh

1829
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,280
leaves uh some unanticipated loopholes I

1830
01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:30,400
believe

1831
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:34,480
>> with density of active living itself.

1832
01:13:34,480 --> 01:13:37,199
>> Other questions on this page?

1833
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:39,920
Well, the district includes it says

1834
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,000
tasteful multifamily developments will

1835
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:45,120
be available. So that can that has a

1836
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:46,239
wide range as well,

1837
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:48,159
>> right? And I think that's intentional in

1838
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:50,159
that case.

1839
01:13:50,159 --> 01:13:51,840
>> But the the purpose of this is not to

1840
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,440
designate as district, correct? But

1841
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:54,640
rather traditional.

1842
01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:57,120
>> The original the original recommendation

1843
01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,280
of staff was the district based off of

1844
01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:02,960
the what staff felt was uh a reasonable

1845
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,880
amount of density there. And so that's

1846
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:07,440
why we we said that because of the uh

1847
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:09,120
six to eight units of the acre plus the

1848
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:10,719
single family homes, they could all fit

1849
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:13,600
in a similar designation such as a

1850
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:17,199
district. But the recommended change for

1851
01:14:17,199 --> 01:14:19,360
tonight is the traditional instead of

1852
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:23,030
the district.

1853
01:14:23,040 --> 01:14:25,679
Uh here's the uh portion of the

1854
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:27,840
definition from traditional in the east

1855
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:29,360
side comprehensive plan and then the

1856
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,040
district's just shown here again to just

1857
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,080
kind of compare and contrast those two.

1858
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:39,120
So, um, traditional is is typically, um,

1859
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,280
I don't want to say large lot, but I

1860
01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:45,199
would say medium-sized lot homes. Um,

1861
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:47,760
traditional sized homes, and it gives

1862
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,000
some neighborhoods here as kind of a

1863
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:52,159
reference of what those look like in

1864
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:55,840
size and and neighborhood appearance.

1865
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:00,640
Any thoughts or questions on this page?

1866
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,239
Okay.

1867
01:15:02,239 --> 01:15:05,679
So staff recommended traditional

1868
01:15:05,679 --> 01:15:08,159
to the planning and zoning planning and

1869
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:09,920
zoning.

1870
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,440
>> No. No. Staff recommended district

1871
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:16,400
and uh planning commission felt as if

1872
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,960
the R19 zone was more appropriate, but

1873
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,440
they voted on the plan before they voted

1874
01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:23,760
on the zone change. And so they they

1875
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,320
voted on district first. So it's a

1876
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:28,159
little confusing, but yes, that's that's

1877
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:30,719
why there's a discrepancy there. So, in

1878
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:33,360
the traditional, we're voting

1879
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:36,000
to have it be traditional. Is that what

1880
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:36,320
we're

1881
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:37,840
>> That is That is the request tonight.

1882
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:38,239
Yes.

1883
01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:40,239
>> Okay. And that would that include just

1884
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:43,120
the single family homes and twin homes?

1885
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:44,640
Would that allow twin homes or would

1886
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:44,960
that

1887
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,840
>> it it allows for an overlay?

1888
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:49,440
>> Well,

1889
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:51,360
it doesn't it doesn't get that specific.

1890
01:15:51,360 --> 01:15:51,840
>> Okay.

1891
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:55,520
>> It traditional just talks about um

1892
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,120
traditional single family home

1893
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:02,080
development. Um, if the R19 zone was and

1894
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,920
zoning is different than these

1895
01:16:03,920 --> 01:16:06,080
designations in the plan, that's kind of

1896
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,159
>> so zoning would allow for an overlay.

1897
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:10,159
>> But if the R19 was, and we'll get to

1898
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:12,480
that, if the R19 was approved, then that

1899
01:16:12,480 --> 01:16:15,120
has another opportunity for an applicant

1900
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:19,920
to come in and request that twin homes.

1901
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:23,679
So I put in here a few suggested uh

1902
01:16:23,679 --> 01:16:26,159
recommendations with staff's recommend

1903
01:16:26,159 --> 01:16:30,960
recommendation for uh motions here. This

1904
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,120
and the next topic of the zone change.

1905
01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:35,520
There can be any number of motions here.

1906
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,480
So don't feel like you're pigeonhold

1907
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:40,159
into any of these because these these

1908
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:43,040
are legislative actions and you've have

1909
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,520
a lot of broad authority of how you want

1910
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,440
to interpret and and make a decision

1911
01:16:47,440 --> 01:16:48,640
here.

1912
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,800
So, I'll continue on. This is the end of

1913
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:52,560
the east side comprehensive stuff. We'll

1914
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,159
go into the zone change stuff and then

1915
01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:57,760
we kind of summarize at the end.

1916
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:00,640
So, the second request, um, this is

1917
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:04,320
contingent upon the plan amendment is a

1918
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,320
zone change request to the R19

1919
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:09,600
residential zone.

1920
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,440
Giving you some context right now.

1921
01:17:11,440 --> 01:17:14,080
>> Are you moving on to the the zoning now?

1922
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:15,360
So, we're not going to vote on these.

1923
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:16,800
I'm just giving you the whole

1924
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:19,120
presentation and then there'll be

1925
01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,679
separate motions to to make but and we

1926
01:17:21,679 --> 01:17:22,640
can

1927
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:24,080
>> I've got slides in here that you can

1928
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:25,840
just see the suggested motions of each

1929
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:26,880
one separately. So,

1930
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:28,159
>> okay. Thanks, Michael.

1931
01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:31,679
>> Um, so currently right now that little

1932
01:17:31,679 --> 01:17:34,000
uh red highlighted area is what the area

1933
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:36,800
is zoned the R1A. And it looks like I

1934
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:38,880
didn't put in all of the classification

1935
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:41,360
for R1A, but that's essentially a one

1936
01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:45,280
acre lot uh intended for uh small

1937
01:17:45,280 --> 01:17:48,000
agricultural uh purposes, things of that

1938
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,400
nature. And uh much bigger than what's

1939
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,000
anticipated both in the east side

1940
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:57,040
comprehensive plan and in the general

1941
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,120
plan. And so that's the current zoning

1942
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:02,560
for the area right now. Uh this is the

1943
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:06,159
recommendation is the R19 zoning for the

1944
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:11,590
entire parcel there.

1945
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,840
Uh talking about a little bit about R19

1946
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,920
versus R110 because I know a lot of the

1947
01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:19,280
public uh voiced opinions about R110

1948
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:22,880
versus R19. And so that's what is here.

1949
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:28,400
Uh R19 is blue, R110 red. Uh essentially

1950
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:32,239
they're very very similar. Um R19 the

1951
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:34,560
minimum lot size is 9,000 whereas the

1952
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,679
R110 is 10,000 square feet. Uh the

1953
01:18:37,679 --> 01:18:40,800
minimum frontage is 90 ft versus 100 ft.

1954
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,360
The setbacks are identical between the

1955
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:46,480
two. Um accessory apartments would be

1956
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:50,480
allowed in both zones. That's state law.

1957
01:18:50,480 --> 01:18:52,000
Uh and we have a little bit of

1958
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:53,760
stipulation. And so our stipulation is

1959
01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,000
they have to be a minimum of 6,500 foot

1960
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,920
lots to even be considered for an

1961
01:18:57,920 --> 01:19:00,159
accessory apartment. The only

1962
01:19:00,159 --> 01:19:01,760
significant difference in staff's

1963
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,120
opinion is the RM1 twin family overlay

1964
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,159
is possible in the R19 zone and not in

1965
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:11,760
the R110 zone. Any questions on this?

1966
01:19:11,760 --> 01:19:14,239
>> So why did we pick the R19 instead of

1967
01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,000
the R110?

1968
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,080
>> Uh planning commission made that

1969
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:19,840
recommendation.

1970
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:22,480
I think the idea was to leave the

1971
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:24,880
opportunity open for the applicant to

1972
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:30,070
consider the twin family overlay.

1973
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,320
» Legislatively, we we could go for the

1974
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,400
R19,

1975
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,520
but in the future, we could deny the

1976
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:38,400
overlay.

1977
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:39,840
>> Correct.

1978
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,520
>> Yep, that is correct. Y

1979
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:48,159
>> or we could just questions we could approve the R110

1980
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:50,560
and not worry about the overlay.

1981
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:54,320
>> You could do that as well.

1982
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:58,320
>> Um again some the staff recommended

1983
01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,280
motion as well as u three other possible

1984
01:20:01,280 --> 01:20:04,719
motions here.

1985
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:06,640
Few more slides here just to give you

1986
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:12,000
some context. So, other approvals,

1987
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:15,199
um, like I said, the R120

1988
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:17,440
two family overlay is a possibility with

1989
01:20:17,440 --> 01:20:23,120
the R, uh, one N zone.

1990
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,040
Uh, the other approvals, they're grayed

1991
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:27,600
out because those are administrative and

1992
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:30,239
they have have not been applied for. So,

1993
01:20:30,239 --> 01:20:33,040
they couldn't be applied for until

1994
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,040
these approvals have been granted,

1995
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,280
whether it's the RMO, whether it's the

1996
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:40,400
zone change, what have you. Um, if

1997
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,000
nothing is granted, then the only thing

1998
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,600
that could essentially be done at this

1999
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:49,520
time would be um oneacre lots. So, any

2000
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:54,149
questions on this?

2001
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:57,440
A little bit about the RMO uh one two

2002
01:20:57,440 --> 01:21:00,800
family overlay. uh staff would recommend

2003
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:03,679
it be a separate application made um if

2004
01:21:03,679 --> 01:21:06,239
there's any desire um by the applicant

2005
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:09,920
to consider that um if any RMO2 family

2006
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:12,000
overlay is considered now or in the

2007
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:14,000
future then staff would recommend only a

2008
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:18,159
portion of this area be uh designated

2009
01:21:18,159 --> 01:21:20,000
with that RMO overlay and not the

2010
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:25,189
entirety of the parcel.

2011
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:28,000
Uh so this is kind of comes back around

2012
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,360
to final recommendations is uh the

2013
01:21:31,360 --> 01:21:32,960
traditional designation in the east side

2014
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,560
comprehensive plan and then the zone

2015
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:37,440
change to the R19. So I'll just leave it

2016
01:21:37,440 --> 01:21:41,040
at that. We do I do have at the end here

2017
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:44,560
um just those same recommended um

2018
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:46,560
possible motions. So

2019
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,080
>> Michael, can you go back to one of the

2020
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:53,110
maps that shows the bigger area

2021
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:54,800
» like this one? Yes,

2022
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,840
>> sure. Um, just so I can get a feel of

2023
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,840
what the rest of the area might look

2024
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,280
like in the future to the east, that big

2025
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:04,880
port, you know how there's that yellow

2026
01:22:04,880 --> 01:22:07,600
square kind of juts out between the

2027
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:09,760
orange and that yellow next to the R,

2028
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:12,000
what's labeled R19? Do we know what

2029
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,040
that's going to be?

2030
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:14,400
>> Yeah, it's in the plan. Do you have the

2031
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:16,080
plan pulled up handy, Michael? That we

2032
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,760
>> I don't have the plan readily available.

2033
01:22:17,760 --> 01:22:19,920
Which yellow are you talking about? So

2034
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:23,360
that that part that juts out.

2035
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:24,239
>> Oh, down here.

2036
01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:25,920
>> Yeah, that

2037
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:26,400
>> so

2038
01:22:26,400 --> 01:22:28,960
>> right above it.

2039
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:29,280
>> Right.

2040
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:31,920
about where this blue line is, it

2041
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,400
goes across to about where my text is.

2042
01:22:34,400 --> 01:22:35,679
And that

2043
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:38,480
>> and that R1A portion, that's the light

2044
01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:40,719
yellow. All of that is the active

2045
01:22:40,719 --> 01:22:41,760
living.

2046
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:45,520
>> And then from there going eastward goes

2047
01:22:45,520 --> 01:22:48,719
to um I can't remember the name. I think

2048
01:22:48,719 --> 01:22:50,560
it's the district is what it goes to

2049
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,040
from there and it wraps around where

2050
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:54,560
1500 East is

2051
01:22:54,560 --> 01:22:56,719
>> going on both sides of 1500 East and

2052
01:22:56,719 --> 01:22:58,960
then up toward 198.

2053
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:01,040
>> But that also could change where we're

2054
01:23:01,040 --> 01:23:03,040
going to be re-evaluating the general

2055
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:03,760
plan.

2056
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,360
>> That could change with with the general

2057
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:06,080
plan amendment.

2058
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:07,360
>> But as of right now,

2059
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:08,800
>> as of right now, that's those are how

2060
01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,360
those are. And and just keep in mind

2061
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,360
both the Eastside comprehensive plan and

2062
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:15,600
the general plan are advisory documents.

2063
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:18,080
we generally want to follow them but

2064
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,560
that it's not required to follow them.

2065
01:23:20,560 --> 01:23:22,800
>> So basically that whole chunk between

2066
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,120
the orange and that yellow part jutting

2067
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:28,000
out is all active living or it just goes

2068
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,280
straight across from the

2069
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,360
>> just to about where my text starts in

2070
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,360
that white box.

2071
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:36,960
>> Does it touch that square that juts out?

2072
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,120
>> No, it's it's about from where this is

2073
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:41,679
right here and comes comes across like

2074
01:23:41,679 --> 01:23:42,239
that.

2075
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:45,920
>> Okay.

2076
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,280
Do you have that?

2077
01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:51,360
So, Robert has that east side plan if

2078
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:52,320
you want to see that.

2079
01:23:52,320 --> 01:24:05,030
>> Yeah, that'd be good.

2080
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,520
» That hurts the eyes, but you can see so

2081
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,280
the light really light blue, that's the

2082
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,280
active living. Uh you can see the

2083
01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:12,960
subdivision just to the south of it.

2084
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:16,400
That's kind of where the the edge of the

2085
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,480
applicant's request is is the very

2086
01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:21,120
corner of that subdivision. So, there is

2087
01:24:21,120 --> 01:24:23,199
the little bit of uh active living

2088
01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:26,000
that's untouched with this request and

2089
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,520
then there's the rest of the active

2090
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:31,120
living that goes uh east of 1300 East

2091
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:37,990
there. Okay.

2092
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:39,920
» Some of these things are different

2093
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:41,760
obviously. For example, Nebo School

2094
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,280
District doesn't own all of that

2095
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,199
property anymore. It's a smaller

2096
01:24:45,199 --> 01:24:48,480
portion. So,

2097
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:49,840
>> so obviously a lot of time and effort

2098
01:24:49,840 --> 01:24:52,000
went into this East Side comprehensive

2099
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:54,000
plan and uh you know, we're always

2100
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:55,920
harping to to stick with the plan and so

2101
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:58,000
if we were going going to make a change,

2102
01:24:58,000 --> 01:24:59,440
I think we need to make sure we make a

2103
01:24:59,440 --> 01:25:01,360
change for the better. Uh this area does

2104
01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,400
in fact have a lot of 55 and older uh

2105
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,239
housing already. Uh we just need to

2106
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:09,520
decide if uh if we want to continue to

2107
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,080
allow more of that. uh that that would

2108
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:14,239
be dense uh like by the temple the

2109
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:17,120
heritage village area um or if we want

2110
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:21,280
to allow for for something else

2111
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:23,520
and I've often talked about especially

2112
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,480
lately the need for

2113
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:30,800
single level single level living for our

2114
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:33,520
older community.

2115
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,400
Just thoughts just thinking out loud.

2116
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:38,480
>> Well, it also doesn't change all of it

2117
01:25:38,480 --> 01:25:40,320
as of right now. like there still would

2118
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:41,040
be

2119
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,120
>> two sections. I mean,

2120
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,880
>> and and just just to make note, um 55

2121
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,080
plus communities can go anywhere anyway.

2122
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,000
>> This is just an area in this plan that

2123
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,400
was identified because of the proximity

2124
01:25:54,400 --> 01:25:56,880
to doctor's offices and the hospital and

2125
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:58,960
things like that. So, it's not like it's

2126
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,239
it can only go here.

2127
01:26:02,239 --> 01:26:03,600
I think it'd be advantageous though, if

2128
01:26:03,600 --> 01:26:04,560
we're going to change that little

2129
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,560
sliver, it would leave those those two

2130
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:10,320
on each side. uh uh left the same. I

2131
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:11,679
think it would be nice to have one

2132
01:26:11,679 --> 01:26:14,239
continuous zone there as we re-evaluate

2133
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:20,470
the east side comprehensive plan.

2134
01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:22,880
» Okay. Is that your presentation on both

2135
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:23,760
of them? Michael?

2136
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,440
>> Yes. Unless you had any other questions.

2137
01:26:25,440 --> 01:26:26,880
>> Any other questions, council? Because

2138
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:30,159
the next step will go is to have someone

2139
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:33,440
that is designated to to talk about for

2140
01:26:33,440 --> 01:26:34,960
or against. So,

2141
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,400
>> I just have one question. And um if we

2142
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,800
so we talked maybe about expanding that

2143
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,040
to include all that area so you don't

2144
01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:45,520
have 55 and older in that whole area.

2145
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:47,840
Would since it the public hearings for

2146
01:26:47,840 --> 01:26:49,920
one those three parcels we'd have to

2147
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:51,840
have another public hearing to do that

2148
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,679
right.

2149
01:26:53,679 --> 01:26:55,760
You're talking about for example that

2150
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:57,679
small piece that's R1A right there and

2151
01:26:57,679 --> 01:26:59,679
the PE part to the west

2152
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:01,280
>> right. Um,

2153
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:02,239
>> yes, we would. We would

2154
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:03,679
>> I think it would I think it would be

2155
01:27:03,679 --> 01:27:05,520
good form, but no, you don't actually

2156
01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:07,280
have to have another hearing for that

2157
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:09,679
because council can make an amended

2158
01:27:09,679 --> 01:27:11,600
motion so that you could, for example,

2159
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,000
say we're going to designate all of that

2160
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:17,040
55 plus active living to something else.

2161
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:19,760
>> I think that'd be better to do with ju

2162
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,199
just worrying about the applicant

2163
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:22,000
tonight.

2164
01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,639
>> Well, it just looks weird. Right. But as

2165
01:27:24,639 --> 01:27:26,080
we reevaluate the east side

2166
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,840
comprehensive plan of of looking at that

2167
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:29,600
and holding the proper public hearing

2168
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:31,120
>> and just because it's not called for

2169
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:32,960
doesn't mean we don't have to do it.

2170
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,960
>> Right.

2171
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,080
>> Okay. That we good?

2172
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:40,159
>> I'll go ahead and uh there's a there's a

2173
01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:42,480
few things I'd like to say prior to to

2174
01:27:42,480 --> 01:27:44,800
go ahead and and let someone come up and

2175
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:46,400
talk.

2176
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,560
I guess maybe I'm I'm patting ourselves

2177
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,080
on the back. We don't have to do this,

2178
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,000
ladies and gentlemen. and we hear it all

2179
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,639
the time that we don't listen. I want

2180
01:27:54,639 --> 01:27:57,679
that to go away because we do listen. We

2181
01:27:57,679 --> 01:27:59,679
don't have to have that's this has

2182
01:27:59,679 --> 01:28:03,360
already been uh discussed at the agnosia

2183
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:06,639
in some ways but uh and it's at a public

2184
01:28:06,639 --> 01:28:09,440
hearing but uh we want to make sure that

2185
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:14,159
your your voices are heard. Uh, and the

2186
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:15,920
other the other thing I'd like to to

2187
01:28:15,920 --> 01:28:21,360
mention here too is uh when it comes to

2188
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:24,000
subdivisions like this, we we do have

2189
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:26,639
the the power that uh we can do

2190
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:29,520
different zoning areas for the city,

2191
01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,600
we've got to be very careful. don't want

2192
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,199
to be afraid of the state, but we got to

2193
01:28:33,199 --> 01:28:35,440
be careful with the state because there

2194
01:28:35,440 --> 01:28:37,280
are those in the state government that

2195
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:41,679
would like to take that power away from this the cities and do a statewide

2196
01:28:41,679 --> 01:28:43,280
overlay and then they would control

2197
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:45,840
where it goes and the density that it

2198
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:51,120
goes to. Uh we've already been uh and it's really upset me and Robert

2199
01:28:51,120 --> 01:28:52,480
because we're in the meeting. We've

2200
01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:54,719
already been designated as a bad actor

2201
01:28:54,719 --> 01:28:56,320
city because we didn't want some of the

2202
01:28:56,320 --> 01:28:58,239
things that the state was really would

2203
01:28:58,239 --> 01:29:02,159
like to push. So, and the reason I'm

2204
01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:04,239
saying this is because we do listen to

2205
01:29:04,239 --> 01:29:06,320
you. But that sometimes there's things

2206
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,159
that you don't understand or don't even

2207
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:12,719
know that we have to respond to. But uh

2208
01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:16,320
I just wanted to uh to mention that uh

2209
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:18,719
as we as we sit here and listen to

2210
01:29:18,719 --> 01:29:21,120
either pro or con, please keep their

2211
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:24,400
demeanor uh in the appropriate

2212
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:28,480
uh way. Uh as as we have someone come up

2213
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:31,679
here, whether it be for uh in favor of

2214
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:34,719
or against it, please don't after they

2215
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:38,080
get done, please don't clap. uh we kind

2216
01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:39,840
of expect that when we like things, but

2217
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:41,360
this is a city meeting and that's part

2218
01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,159
of the demeanor I'm talking about. If

2219
01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:46,800
you if you would do that, please. So,

2220
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,360
what I would do at this point in time,

2221
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:52,000
if there's anyone uh and I would like to

2222
01:29:52,000 --> 01:29:57,120
start with with for this uh u action, if

2223
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:58,800
there's anyone here that would like to

2224
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:02,800
speak for this action, please

2225
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:07,990
come up and and address us.

2226
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:11,840
doesn't surprise me. Well, come on up.

2227
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:13,920
Yeah.

2228
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:16,400
Good. Representative the planning

2229
01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:17,040
commission.

2230
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:18,400
>> Yes.

2231
01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,360
>> Kurt Beecher. Um, planning commission.

2232
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,920
But the reason the planning commission

2233
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:27,440
went with R19 versus the R110 and the

2234
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:30,400
RMF1 is that we didn't like the density

2235
01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:32,239
of the RMF-1.

2236
01:30:32,239 --> 01:30:36,239
And we wanted a buffer between the R110

2237
01:30:36,239 --> 01:30:39,760
that's already to the south and west and

2238
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,199
the much higher density to the north and

2239
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:46,880
northeast. And so we went with something

2240
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,120
that was

2241
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,520
middle of the road. It wasn't it wasn't

2242
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,080
the higher density of the ARM F1 and it

2243
01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:55,920
wasn't the

2244
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:59,040
um lower way low or lower density of the

2245
01:30:59,040 --> 01:31:02,560
ARM R110. So that was part of the the

2246
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:05,120
discussion and that's the reason we went

2247
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:06,400
with R19.

2248
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:07,280
>> Can you

2249
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:09,360
>> we didn't know about the traditional or

2250
01:31:09,360 --> 01:31:11,120
we would have gone that way. Okay.

2251
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:14,880
>> When we were talking so that that was we

2252
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:16,480
were given the district as the option

2253
01:31:16,480 --> 01:31:19,280
and we didn't know the traditional.

2254
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,679
So,

2255
01:31:21,679 --> 01:31:22,400
>> thank you for that.

2256
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:23,679
>> It was a very long meeting.

2257
01:31:23,679 --> 01:31:25,520
>> It was a long meeting. We had quite a

2258
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:27,280
discussion with the rest.

2259
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,880
>> Understand. Thank you.

2260
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:35,270
>> Anyone else would like to

2261
01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:36,560
pro or con?

2262
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:37,280
>> I'm pro.

2263
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:40,159
>> Okay, that's fine. I just wanted to make

2264
01:31:40,159 --> 01:31:41,040
sure.

2265
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:41,600
>> Okay.

2266
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:43,679
>> I'm Jimmy Degraphen and I'm actually

2267
01:31:43,679 --> 01:31:47,360
representing the the Manglesen property.

2268
01:31:47,360 --> 01:31:53,040
Um I our whole intent on this really I

2269
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,080
guess should I address the um the change

2270
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:58,560
first or the zoning? I mean the

2271
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:00,960
>> well both go ahead and do it's just like

2272
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,400
it is presented to us.

2273
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,800
>> Okay. Uh our thinking on changing it

2274
01:32:04,800 --> 01:32:08,480
from the 55 and older is just simply

2275
01:32:08,480 --> 01:32:11,120
it's not really selling in that area.

2276
01:32:11,120 --> 01:32:12,639
There's another subdivision that's been

2277
01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:14,400
over there for a while. They've sold I

2278
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:15,520
don't even know if they've sold. They

2279
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,880
started two or three homes on it. Uh we

2280
01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:20,320
feel like the one that was down by the

2281
01:32:20,320 --> 01:32:23,360
temple did really well. Uh but it took a

2282
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:26,880
long time and it looked really nice. And

2283
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,520
then I look at what I do for a living,

2284
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:31,679
which is I mean I I have two different

2285
01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:33,440
home companies, home building companies.

2286
01:32:33,440 --> 01:32:34,960
One's upperend homes that does a million

2287
01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:37,440
and a half plus and and one that does

2288
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:41,840
lowerend homes. Um, and in our lower-end

2289
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,760
homes, we actually have uh a lot of our

2290
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:47,520
second biggest customer in the lower-end

2291
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,239
homes is people that are in their 60s,

2292
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:51,760
and they're not wanting to live

2293
01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,159
necessarily in a 55 and older community.

2294
01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:55,920
And now that I'm 54, I don't want to

2295
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,239
live in a 55 and older community either.

2296
01:32:58,239 --> 01:33:00,000
So, I mean, that used to seem old. Now,

2297
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:04,320
it doesn't. So, um, so that was really

2298
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,480
as simple as it was on that. We just

2299
01:33:06,480 --> 01:33:09,120
felt it might be better for the um area

2300
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:14,320
in general. As far as the the uh zoning,

2301
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:17,360
we just looked at the hospital to the

2302
01:33:17,360 --> 01:33:19,840
side. It's kind of a commercial area. We

2303
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,960
looked at the millions of homes. It

2304
01:33:22,960 --> 01:33:24,480
feels like that's on the other side

2305
01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:27,760
that's just uh uh that's sitting there.

2306
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,760
And we said we just want to create a

2307
01:33:29,760 --> 01:33:34,800
transition. Uh and in every city that I work in, we we try to create

2308
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:37,280
transitions. We don't uh you know we

2309
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:40,080
don't go from zero to 100. You know it's

2310
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:42,320
just we go in there and we try to try to

2311
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:46,560
make it so everything fits. We uh um you

2312
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,560
know we found that we have a hard time

2313
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:50,800
selling single family homes, nicer

2314
01:33:50,800 --> 01:33:54,960
single family homes right next to uh

2315
01:33:54,960 --> 01:33:57,120
apartments, but the people that are

2316
01:33:57,120 --> 01:33:58,400
going to buy the single family homes

2317
01:33:58,400 --> 01:34:00,719
don't necessarily want to live right

2318
01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:03,679
next to an apartment. But people who uh

2319
01:34:03,679 --> 01:34:05,920
might be buying a town home or a twin

2320
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,960
home will do that. Also, people who will

2321
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,360
buy a town home uh I mean people will

2322
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:13,040
buy a twin home next to a town home and

2323
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:14,320
people will buy a single family home

2324
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:18,719
next to a twin home. And so it's just a simple transition that that

2325
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:21,679
we're trying to do. And we're not trying

2326
01:34:21,679 --> 01:34:24,800
to be, you know, like greedy developers

2327
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:27,520
like we always get pegged as. We just

2328
01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:29,280
looked at it and just like this is what

2329
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:31,040
we want to do and make a transition

2330
01:34:31,040 --> 01:34:36,320
that's good for the community. So that's

2331
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:38,880
>> thank thank you that appreciate it. Adds

2332
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:40,320
to our discussion.

2333
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:41,760
>> Did you say your name?

2334
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,679
>> I did.

2335
01:34:43,679 --> 01:34:46,880
>> I can state it again if you want. Brand

2336
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:50,719
>> you're you're good. You're good. Okay.

2337
01:34:50,719 --> 01:34:53,600
We've had a clarification and uh someone

2338
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:57,280
to speak for the pro and so we're to the

2339
01:34:57,280 --> 01:35:00,159
point where somebody would like to that

2340
01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:01,920
hopefully you've picked a spokesperson

2341
01:35:01,920 --> 01:35:04,000
that would be against it. Please come up

2342
01:35:04,000 --> 01:35:12,790
now.

2343
01:35:12,800 --> 01:35:15,600
I'm Jeremy Smith. I'm a resident. I live

2344
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:20,239
at 633 South 1400 East in PAC. Um, so

2345
01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:21,840
not

2346
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:24,719
right next to this property, but I do

2347
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:27,199
have um

2348
01:35:27,199 --> 01:35:28,960
interest in this how this property gets

2349
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:29,920
developed because there are other

2350
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:32,480
annexations closer to where I live that

2351
01:35:32,480 --> 01:35:35,040
would follow suit with what happens

2352
01:35:35,040 --> 01:35:38,320
here. Um,

2353
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:41,360
so in talking with

2354
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:45,840
a lot of the residents here tonight, um,

2355
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,400
their main concern is is with the

2356
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:51,360
overlay. Um,

2357
01:35:51,360 --> 01:35:53,600
so a lot of people are happy with the

2358
01:35:53,600 --> 01:35:56,159
R19. A lot of people would like to see

2359
01:35:56,159 --> 01:35:58,159
the R110. That would eliminate the

2360
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:01,679
overlay. Um but if if it did pass as

2361
01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:04,480
R19, then this the citizens would

2362
01:36:04,480 --> 01:36:08,400
request that you deny any future overlay

2363
01:36:08,400 --> 01:36:11,040
um in that area to eliminate the

2364
01:36:11,040 --> 01:36:12,639
duplexes

2365
01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:15,040
or twin homes.

2366
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:16,560
Um

2367
01:36:16,560 --> 01:36:18,639
there's

2368
01:36:18,639 --> 01:36:20,719
a lot of concerns that were highlighted

2369
01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:25,280
in the presentation from the staff. Um

2370
01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:27,520
road infrastructure

2371
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,159
um with with the current development of

2372
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:32,320
the those town houses and apartments

2373
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:35,280
near this property. Um I'm sure if you

2374
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,920
drove down there um I'm sure you

2375
01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:39,679
probably have seen all the parking on

2376
01:36:39,679 --> 01:36:42,880
the street. Um there's just no room for

2377
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,760
parking. uh in those developments and so

2378
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,800
the this the residents are parking along

2379
01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:51,679
the street on 100 South

2380
01:36:51,679 --> 01:36:55,199
and with Twin Homes um we don't want to

2381
01:36:55,199 --> 01:36:57,360
see a similar parking issue in this

2382
01:36:57,360 --> 01:36:59,840
neighborhood where it's just filled with

2383
01:36:59,840 --> 01:37:04,400
cars on the streets. Um,

2384
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:07,360
let's see. Some of the concerns also

2385
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:09,679
were like with with that holdaway

2386
01:37:09,679 --> 01:37:11,280
development where the apartments and

2387
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:16,880
town houses are. Um, is that um

2388
01:37:16,880 --> 01:37:19,760
the original zoning that was approved

2389
01:37:19,760 --> 01:37:22,000
for that when it was annexed in with one

2390
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:24,719
developer and then the developer I guess

2391
01:37:24,719 --> 01:37:27,199
left and a new developer came in and

2392
01:37:27,199 --> 01:37:29,679
requested changing changes to that. So

2393
01:37:29,679 --> 01:37:31,760
that there are concerns with the

2394
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:34,800
residents of of possible changes from

2395
01:37:34,800 --> 01:37:38,960
what gets decided tonight. Um

2396
01:37:38,960 --> 01:37:44,480
there were a lot of um

2397
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:47,760
points brought up in the um planning

2398
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:50,000
commission public hearing about this

2399
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:51,199
property and there were lots of

2400
01:37:51,199 --> 01:37:53,679
questions asked by the residents and a

2401
01:37:53,679 --> 01:37:55,040
lot of residents feel that those

2402
01:37:55,040 --> 01:38:02,000
questions have not been answered. um and they would like to um

2403
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,080
like refer to the minutes of of that

2404
01:38:04,080 --> 01:38:06,080
commission meeting pages three and four

2405
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:07,679
where there was lots of comments made

2406
01:38:07,679 --> 01:38:12,000
and questions and um answers were

2407
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:13,679
promised which haven't been answered

2408
01:38:13,679 --> 01:38:16,000
yet.

2409
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:19,189
Um

2410
01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:22,480
there's also concerns with with the high

2411
01:38:22,480 --> 01:38:23,840
density of the town houses and

2412
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:25,920
apartments. the current residents have

2413
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:28,560
noticed a change in water pressure. Um

2414
01:38:28,560 --> 01:38:30,480
so the demand on the water system in

2415
01:38:30,480 --> 01:38:32,560
that area and so the higher density in

2416
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,639
this new development would put more

2417
01:38:34,639 --> 01:38:37,840
strain um on the water system and and

2418
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:40,960
water pressures for everyone around.

2419
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:44,950
Um

2420
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:59,830
I think just one other thing here.

2421
01:38:59,840 --> 01:39:01,600
Um

2422
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:02,960
all of us are here because we're

2423
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:07,600
concerned about our city and um our own

2424
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:09,199
investment in our own properties as

2425
01:39:09,199 --> 01:39:11,600
well. Um,

2426
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:13,440
and what's decided here tonight can

2427
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:15,440
determine property values of the

2428
01:39:15,440 --> 01:39:17,600
surrounding areas. Um, and that that's

2429
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:21,223
what we're looking out for. Um,

2430
01:39:21,223 --> 01:39:25,830
[snorts]

2431
01:39:25,840 --> 01:39:29,199
another concern was that the some some

2432
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:32,639
residents feel like the staff um may be

2433
01:39:32,639 --> 01:39:34,480
leaning more favorably to the developer

2434
01:39:34,480 --> 01:39:37,679
than to the citizens. And so we want um

2435
01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:40,639
our concerns to be heard and and I know

2436
01:39:40,639 --> 01:39:43,679
that you guys listen to um the citizens

2437
01:39:43,679 --> 01:39:49,910
as well. Um

2438
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:52,000
so you know our request would be just to

2439
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:54,400
do pass the R110

2440
01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,560
um eliminate any future possibility of

2441
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,119
the overlay from from just right now

2442
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:05,199
just deny that. Um some one other thing

2443
01:40:05,199 --> 01:40:08,239
um that I also wanted to bring up is

2444
01:40:08,239 --> 01:40:10,320
relating to the plans the general plan

2445
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:12,960
and the east side comprehensive plan. Um

2446
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:16,800
in in the general plan it states as the

2447
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:18,400
city grows there will be a need to

2448
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,320
prepare small area plans to provide

2449
01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:22,560
additional guidance in land use

2450
01:40:22,560 --> 01:40:24,719
transportation utilities and other

2451
01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:27,119
services for new planning areas. Small

2452
01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:29,199
area plans contain a set of specific

2453
01:40:29,199 --> 01:40:31,520
strategies for a specific specific

2454
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:34,400
geography that often has a cohesive set

2455
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:36,800
of characteristics.

2456
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:40,480
So my my understanding of that is that

2457
01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:42,159
the general plan is like a high level

2458
01:40:42,159 --> 01:40:44,639
plan, right? And these small area plans

2459
01:40:44,639 --> 01:40:48,320
dig deeper into the details of of what

2460
01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:51,119
specific needs are for that that

2461
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:53,600
specific neighborhood.

2462
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:56,709
Um,

2463
01:40:56,719 --> 01:40:58,080
one thing that hasn't been brought up

2464
01:40:58,080 --> 01:40:59,920
yet tonight is the water. The water

2465
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:06,400
table in this area is really high. Um,

2466
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:07,360
you're not going to be able to put

2467
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:09,840
basements in these homes without sump

2468
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,080
pumps or, you know, pumps to to pump

2469
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:13,199
sewer out of the basement because

2470
01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:17,679
they're going to be below the water table and sewer lines

2471
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:21,040
are going to have to be up higher um in

2472
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:22,159
the streets. So, you're going to need

2473
01:41:22,159 --> 01:41:23,840
some pumps to get a sewer out of the

2474
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:27,679
houses up to the to that main line. Um,

2475
01:41:27,679 --> 01:41:30,080
so this is a perfect area for places,

2476
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:31,360
you know, homes that don't have

2477
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,679
basements that are catered to senior

2478
01:41:33,679 --> 01:41:35,520
citizens.

2479
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:39,360
Um, where it's flat one-story level

2480
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:41,520
dwellings that don't require B that

2481
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:47,270
don't need a basement. Um,

2482
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:51,119
and I think um that that's about it

2483
01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:53,600
unless there's

2484
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:56,480
any points that I missed.

2485
01:41:56,480 --> 01:41:59,280
I think Okay, I think everybody's pretty

2486
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:00,800
happy with what I've said. So, I we

2487
01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:03,360
appreciate the opportunity to speak even

2488
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:05,280
though we're legally you don't have to

2489
01:42:05,280 --> 01:42:07,440
let us speak here at this point, but we

2490
01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,280
appreciate that this opportunity. Thank

2491
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:13,040
you. You're glad glad to provide it.

2492
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,119
Yeah, Jeremy, thank you. This the way

2493
01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:17,760
it's supposed to work and uh we we don't

2494
01:42:17,760 --> 01:42:19,679
want to unnecessarily cut anybody off,

2495
01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:21,840
but we have hard decisions that we have

2496
01:42:21,840 --> 01:42:24,320
to make based on the information that we

2497
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:28,639
get. And uh so please don't don't ever

2498
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:32,000
believe that we don't listen. We do. And

2499
01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:35,199
uh sometimes we have to swab a little

2500
01:42:35,199 --> 01:42:42,320
hard so that uh maybe we win the we win the uh the the the battle but

2501
01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:45,440
lose the war. So uh so to speak, we

2502
01:42:45,440 --> 01:42:49,040
don't want the state to to uh uh do a

2503
01:42:49,040 --> 01:42:52,239
statewide overlay and uh that would not

2504
01:42:52,239 --> 01:42:55,199
be something would be in my opinion a

2505
01:42:55,199 --> 01:43:00,960
very good thing for the for any city to have the state control it.

2506
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:03,760
Okay. Any any other questions that you

2507
01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:06,239
have at this time, council

2508
01:43:06,239 --> 01:43:07,280
>> discussion? Go ahead, Lacy.

2509
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:10,639
>> Oh, I was just going to just just kind

2510
01:43:10,639 --> 01:43:13,440
of not really questions. I mean, well, I

2511
01:43:13,440 --> 01:43:17,760
guess one question was that um

2512
01:43:17,760 --> 01:43:20,080
Jeremy, when you the 55 and up, you

2513
01:43:20,080 --> 01:43:22,480
know, with no basement kind of thing, I

2514
01:43:22,480 --> 01:43:25,360
do think it's a great spot. But if we if

2515
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:27,360
you do the R110,

2516
01:43:27,360 --> 01:43:30,560
I don't think a lot of people,

2517
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:32,480
if they're in a 55 and older community,

2518
01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:34,000
they usually do that because they don't

2519
01:43:34,000 --> 01:43:41,030
want a large law like that. Um, but

2520
01:43:41,040 --> 01:43:42,719
» yeah, that was just that was just the

2521
01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:44,320
first thing that popped in my head, but

2522
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,480
um I don't know if right now we can just

2523
01:43:46,480 --> 01:43:47,760
hurry and just kind of give our thoughts

2524
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:49,679
and whatever or what we're doing.

2525
01:43:49,679 --> 01:43:51,920
>> Well, uh, if there's any any questions

2526
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:53,600
or and if you don't want to have some

2527
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:55,280
thoughts, we can do, but we need to get

2528
01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:57,119
to a point where we we entertain an

2529
01:43:57,119 --> 01:43:57,600
emotion.

2530
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,119
>> I think it's important to have two

2531
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:01,040
discussion items on this. This is a big

2532
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,199
decision. Sure. Um, uh, mayor, I

2533
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:04,800
appreciate you opening it up, uh, for

2534
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:07,360
residents, uh, to be able to to speak.

2535
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:10,400
And, uh, I I I thank the the staff and

2536
01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:11,760
residents and planning commission that

2537
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:13,040
attended the planning commission meeting

2538
01:44:13,040 --> 01:44:14,239
on this. I know it was long and

2539
01:44:14,239 --> 01:44:16,159
confusing. It was about like me trying

2540
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:18,159
to figure out the the cemetery fee

2541
01:44:18,159 --> 01:44:19,760
schedule. It just it was just a hard

2542
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:22,239
meeting, right? So, thank you for uh,

2543
01:44:22,239 --> 01:44:24,159
for making your voices heard. I promise

2544
01:44:24,159 --> 01:44:27,040
we do hear you. Uh, we work for you.

2545
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:29,360
That's what our job is. And so, thank

2546
01:44:29,360 --> 01:44:30,960
you for so many that have that have

2547
01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:36,719
submitted. so many quality datadriven uh remarks and comments on this

2548
01:44:36,719 --> 01:44:41,040
particular item. Um I do want to uh call

2549
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:44,159
out uh a few things. The the parking on

2550
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:46,320
the street uh while that is a reality,

2551
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:47,760
it's almost irrelevant, darn it, because

2552
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:49,280
you drive down my street and I've got

2553
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,280
cars and and vehicles parked on my

2554
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:52,800
street, too. So, it doesn't matter what

2555
01:44:52,800 --> 01:44:54,960
zoning we do, people park on the street,

2556
01:44:54,960 --> 01:44:56,320
especially as families get older and

2557
01:44:56,320 --> 01:44:57,440
they have multiple drivers

2558
01:44:57,440 --> 01:44:59,199
>> this time of year. Trailer houses.

2559
01:44:59,199 --> 01:45:02,639
>> Yes. Yep. Um, I I also want to mention

2560
01:45:02,639 --> 01:45:05,760
too that uh sometimes if we fear if we

2561
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:10,239
fear the state so much uh Mr. Mayor that that it affects our decision,

2562
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:12,000
they've almost already taken away the

2563
01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:12,960
power of that law.

2564
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:14,320
>> I don't want to be afraid of the state.

2565
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:19,440
I just don't want to be a bad actor and uh and suffer the wrath of some some

2566
01:45:19,440 --> 01:45:21,040
of them. I'm I'm not I'm not afraid to

2567
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:23,040
push back in any way, shape, or form.

2568
01:45:23,040 --> 01:45:24,960
But we need to know when to push and

2569
01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:25,760
when not to.

2570
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:27,520
>> Absolutely. Yes. And I think for this

2571
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,480
area, uh, and I do I do want to disclose

2572
01:45:30,480 --> 01:45:32,320
I do live in a neighborhood adjacent to

2573
01:45:32,320 --> 01:45:35,040
this to this parcel. Um, I don't believe

2574
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:36,560
it creates conflict of interest, but I

2575
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:38,239
do want to disclose that I I live next

2576
01:45:38,239 --> 01:45:41,760
to it. Um, I think with this area, um,

2577
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:43,920
you know, that it has hit its mark with

2578
01:45:43,920 --> 01:45:46,239
density. Uh, we we have increased

2579
01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:48,800
density in East Pac with zero amenities.

2580
01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,040
There's no parks. There's no there's no

2581
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:54,080
retail in East PAC. And so we're either

2582
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:55,840
uh driving into the middle of PAC or

2583
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:57,600
heaven forbid giving our precious sales

2584
01:45:57,600 --> 01:46:00,800
tax dollars to Salem to do it. And so uh

2585
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:02,480
per this plan that the the current

2586
01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:05,440
developer has submitted, I don't see any

2587
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:08,000
benefit uh to PAC as a whole for

2588
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,480
increasing density in this area without

2589
01:46:10,480 --> 01:46:14,560
any additional uh amenities for the for

2590
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:16,719
the surrounding residents. Uh I think

2591
01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:18,159
too that we will have the opportunity

2592
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:21,119
for density along the pacin parkway. But

2593
01:46:21,119 --> 01:46:23,199
I think in this area if we fall back to

2594
01:46:23,199 --> 01:46:25,280
the east side comprehensive plan it says

2595
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,920
that we should uh respect the styles and

2596
01:46:27,920 --> 01:46:29,679
densities of established neighborhoods.

2597
01:46:29,679 --> 01:46:30,960
And there are a lot of established

2598
01:46:30,960 --> 01:46:33,440
neighborhoods in East PAC and not very

2599
01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:35,360
many of them are smaller than 10,000

2600
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:37,119
square foot lots. And so that's

2601
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:39,040
something important to to consider as we

2602
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:42,960
make this decision. And so I I I I have

2603
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,199
fear of of giving away the farm for

2604
01:46:45,199 --> 01:46:47,280
nothing. sometimes. And just to to

2605
01:46:47,280 --> 01:46:48,880
everyone here, East Pacin is going to

2606
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:51,199
change a lot. And so, darn it, the only

2607
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:52,880
way to control what happens next door to

2608
01:46:52,880 --> 01:46:54,960
you is if you own it. And I think too,

2609
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:56,480
we set a precedence of what we do

2610
01:46:56,480 --> 01:46:58,639
tonight. Uh, but I do have fears of East

2611
01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:01,040
PAC as more of these annexes come in. I

2612
01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:02,639
know this is not an annex, but I have

2613
01:47:02,639 --> 01:47:04,159
fear of East PAC turning this

2614
01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:06,320
conglomerate of neverending culde-sacs

2615
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:07,760
because none of these communities are

2616
01:47:07,760 --> 01:47:09,920
intertwined or connected. uh we need to

2617
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:11,679
get serious about making some hard

2618
01:47:11,679 --> 01:47:14,400
decisions to truly plan this area out to

2619
01:47:14,400 --> 01:47:16,159
make it truly the gateway of our city

2620
01:47:16,159 --> 01:47:19,920
along SR 198. And so if if if we're

2621
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:22,080
going to change the plan, if if we want

2622
01:47:22,080 --> 01:47:23,920
to deviate from the plan, I think we

2623
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:26,000
should heir on the side of lower

2624
01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:29,590
density.

2625
01:47:29,600 --> 01:47:32,800
Um, I just wanted to say kind of a reer

2626
01:47:32,800 --> 01:47:36,880
reiterating what Ryan said. I I take

2627
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:39,440
this position very very seriously. I

2628
01:47:39,440 --> 01:47:41,600
think everyone that emailed the only

2629
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:43,840
person I did not email back is Lee

2630
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,639
Timothy and that was because I just ran

2631
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:50,000
out of time. But every single person I

2632
01:47:50,000 --> 01:47:53,520
replied back to, I really care. I

2633
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:56,800
frequent the area. Um,

2634
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:00,880
and as I looked at it, um, I I do like

2635
01:48:00,880 --> 01:48:03,840
the the idea just what Ryan was saying,

2636
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:06,560
but I know that you have to have that

2637
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:09,520
buffer, but I do feel if you just go a

2638
01:48:09,520 --> 01:48:12,320
little to the south, showing that road

2639
01:48:12,320 --> 01:48:15,119
size, that is a buffer from residential

2640
01:48:15,119 --> 01:48:17,199
to the hospital, residential to a town

2641
01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:20,000
home. I feel like the roadside is a is a

2642
01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:22,800
great buffer. Um, so that's my feelings

2643
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:27,440
on that. And then um I know there was

2644
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:30,080
something else but oh I was just going

2645
01:48:30,080 --> 01:48:32,159
to say

2646
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:34,080
I know that and I said this to every

2647
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:37,199
person that I replied to 0.02 does not

2648
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:39,280
seem like a ton and I listened to all

2649
01:48:39,280 --> 01:48:41,679
the replies as to why you felt that it

2650
01:48:41,679 --> 01:48:46,159
was a difference. Um, but my thing to

2651
01:48:46,159 --> 01:48:49,360
the one of the the developer is I know

2652
01:48:49,360 --> 01:48:51,760
that people don't want to

2653
01:48:51,760 --> 01:48:55,679
buy a a nicer home as you say next to

2654
01:48:55,679 --> 01:48:58,560
apartments and town homes.

2655
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:00,239
All of these residents I feel like that

2656
01:49:00,239 --> 01:49:02,159
are sitting in here that are against it,

2657
01:49:02,159 --> 01:49:04,560
they also built and purchased their home

2658
01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:06,320
looking at a general plan, looking at

2659
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,480
the surrounding neighborhood

2660
01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:10,960
and they don't they wouldn't have that

2661
01:49:10,960 --> 01:49:12,400
choice. that's why they're here is to

2662
01:49:12,400 --> 01:49:15,440
fight for that um as to why they chose

2663
01:49:15,440 --> 01:49:18,080
their home. So that's just my feelings

2664
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:19,360
on it. So

2665
01:49:19,360 --> 01:49:22,400
>> do you have anything to add?

2666
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:24,239
>> I just got a few things. Thanks

2667
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:28,159
everybody for um getting coming here and

2668
01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:32,480
also voicing your opinions. Um one thing

2669
01:49:32,480 --> 01:49:36,400
I look at is I like to look at the

2670
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:38,560
planning zoning. They've spent a lot of

2671
01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,360
time making decisions about this. Uh

2672
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,199
staff's worked on this for a long time

2673
01:49:43,199 --> 01:49:46,159
and I value their opinions also. And

2674
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:51,040
then I look at R19 versus R110.

2675
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:53,119
There are lots of fairly similar in

2676
01:49:53,119 --> 01:49:56,719
size, but I think that um I don't want

2677
01:49:56,719 --> 01:49:59,440
the multifamily the overlay, but the one

2678
01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:02,239
R19 gives that opportunity, but we have

2679
01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:06,560
the discretion here to deny that. And so

2680
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:08,320
I think this gives a little bit of

2681
01:50:08,320 --> 01:50:10,960
compromise that that maybe they won't

2682
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:14,560
come back and want on the uh overlay and

2683
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:16,960
then they get a little bit smaller lots.

2684
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:19,520
So hopefully that will take care of

2685
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:21,440
that. They won't come back and but it'll

2686
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:24,239
still be nice size lots. 9,000 square

2687
01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:27,119
feet is a nice size lot. So I'm fine

2688
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:32,229
with the staff recommendations.

2689
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:34,960
» Um I appreciate everything that everyone

2690
01:50:34,960 --> 01:50:36,960
has said. We really do listen. I value

2691
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:39,679
this position very very much. And I've

2692
01:50:39,679 --> 01:50:43,119
been in in similar situations as you

2693
01:50:43,119 --> 01:50:47,119
where um my whole neighborhood came in

2694
01:50:47,119 --> 01:50:50,800
uh years ago to make our voices heard.

2695
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:54,239
Um so I sympathize with you. I I know

2696
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:58,239
how you're feeling. Um I also

2697
01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:02,239
uh I also agree with with what Ryan said

2698
01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:03,920
about the state and calling us a bad

2699
01:51:03,920 --> 01:51:06,000
actor. um not everybody up there feels

2700
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:07,840
that way towards us and I don't think we

2701
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:10,320
should cater to what a couple of people

2702
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:13,679
in power say. So um because this is our

2703
01:51:13,679 --> 01:51:18,880
town, this is where we live and um how

2704
01:51:18,880 --> 01:51:22,960
we feel and where we live um and where

2705
01:51:22,960 --> 01:51:25,920
we live our lives matters more than what

2706
01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:29,920
they say. So um

2707
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:32,000
just a second.

2708
01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:36,239
So, so I value what the staff has done.

2709
01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:41,280
They've done a lot of work. I value um

2710
01:51:41,280 --> 01:51:43,360
all the emails and all the opinions that

2711
01:51:43,360 --> 01:51:46,800
I've received. Um I live near the

2712
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,960
Heritage I think it's Heritage Fields

2713
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:53,920
over by Walmart. And um it took a long

2714
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:57,679
time because there was an owner and then

2715
01:51:57,679 --> 01:52:01,840
the recession happened in 2007 and 2008.

2716
01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:04,400
They couldn't get anything. No, nothing

2717
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:07,040
was selling. That's why it took so long.

2718
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:10,080
So when they switched owners and they

2719
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,880
switched plan, then it took off and the

2720
01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:14,800
economy had changed. Then it took off

2721
01:52:14,800 --> 01:52:17,360
and it was very well established and

2722
01:52:17,360 --> 01:52:19,760
sold quickly and it's an excellent

2723
01:52:19,760 --> 01:52:23,280
neighborhood for retirees. Um we do need

2724
01:52:23,280 --> 01:52:25,599
more and and they're not single level. I

2725
01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:27,840
mean there's single level single level

2726
01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:30,000
living and then they have basements but

2727
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:33,599
um we do need to take care of our our

2728
01:52:33,599 --> 01:52:35,679
retirees.

2729
01:52:35,679 --> 01:52:39,760
But I just want I I I'm leaning towards

2730
01:52:39,760 --> 01:52:41,679
um the R110

2731
01:52:41,679 --> 01:52:43,520
because I don't like the overlay as

2732
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:50,320
well. I don't I prefer not to have mixed

2733
01:52:50,320 --> 01:52:54,080
traditional homes with town homes or

2734
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:56,960
twin homes. Um but this project

2735
01:52:56,960 --> 01:53:00,550
>> I'm

2736
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:01,360
sound okay.

2737
01:53:01,360 --> 01:53:03,258
>> No.

2738
01:53:03,258 --> 01:53:06,159
[laughter] Um, but I value everything,

2739
01:53:06,159 --> 01:53:07,599
all the information. I'm really, really

2740
01:53:07,599 --> 01:53:09,599
soaking it all in and I want to make the

2741
01:53:09,599 --> 01:53:12,880
best decision possible for the people

2742
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:15,760
who live there already.

2743
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,159
>> Okay.

2744
01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:21,280
I I uh I think there's a great

2745
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:24,000
compromise here, but I lean towards the

2746
01:53:24,000 --> 01:53:26,080
R19

2747
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:28,880
very very strongly, but the possibility

2748
01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:32,239
of the overlay sour me on this

2749
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:36,159
particular project. Uh I I just don't

2750
01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:39,280
think that that is a that is a buffer

2751
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:41,199
between the hospital or wherever staff

2752
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:44,480
would recommend those be put. So, I I'm

2753
01:53:44,480 --> 01:53:47,599
in favor of remanding this back to staff

2754
01:53:47,599 --> 01:53:50,320
with the applicant and

2755
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:53,840
R19 would be my strong suggestion

2756
01:53:53,840 --> 01:53:57,520
without any possibility of an overlay.

2757
01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:59,520
>> Okay.

2758
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:02,639
>> Can we put that in the motion that we uh

2759
01:54:02,639 --> 01:54:05,520
we're okay with R19 without any

2760
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:09,360
possibility of overlay?

2761
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:11,199
>> I don't I don't know that without like

2762
01:54:11,199 --> 01:54:12,639
at a development agreement. I don't know

2763
01:54:12,639 --> 01:54:15,840
that you could actually do that, but

2764
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:17,440
yeah,

2765
01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:19,679
>> I know there was another comment, but

2766
01:54:19,679 --> 01:54:21,840
we've had plenty of discussion on this

2767
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:30,629
item. So, I I would ask that

2768
01:54:30,639 --> 01:54:33,360
» we we need to do one and then the other.

2769
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:34,800
>> Yes. So, the first one here is this East

2770
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:36,320
Side comprehensive plan. These are some

2771
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:38,960
suggested motions.

2772
01:54:38,960 --> 01:54:41,599
>> Mayor, can you turn on your microphone?

2773
01:54:41,599 --> 01:54:42,480
Mayor.

2774
01:54:42,480 --> 01:54:43,440
>> Oh, sorry.

2775
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:45,440
>> It must have turned off by itself.

2776
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:47,119
Sorry.

2777
01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:50,480
Okay. So, I'm ready for a motion on item

2778
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:52,719
number four.

2779
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:55,040
>> I

2780
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:57,920
don't mean I was going to do a motion to

2781
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:00,480
approval of a um different amendment of

2782
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:02,159
the east side comprehensive plan that

2783
01:55:02,159 --> 01:55:04,159
the traditional

2784
01:55:04,159 --> 01:55:06,400
designation as identified in the east

2785
01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:11,679
side comprehensive the ESCP.

2786
01:55:11,679 --> 01:55:14,880
Okay, we have a motion been seconded. Uh

2787
01:55:14,880 --> 01:55:17,040
we'll go roll call vote starting with

2788
01:55:17,040 --> 01:55:18,800
council provoscard.

2789
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:19,199
>> Yes.

2790
01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:20,880
>> Council Moss,

2791
01:55:20,880 --> 01:55:21,280
>> yes.

2792
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:22,239
>> Council Roelly,

2793
01:55:22,239 --> 01:55:22,719
>> yes.

2794
01:55:22,719 --> 01:55:23,520
>> Council Hillet,

2795
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:24,159
>> yes.

2796
01:55:24,159 --> 01:55:25,280
>> Council Smith,

2797
01:55:25,280 --> 01:55:25,760
>> yes.

2798
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:28,639
>> Okay, motion carries. Thank you. We'll

2799
01:55:28,639 --> 01:55:31,119
go to number five, ordinance, uh

2800
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:35,360
Manglesen zone change request, uh R1A to

2801
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:37,119
R19.

2802
01:55:37,119 --> 01:55:40,000
Okay. Uh, is there a motion for that

2803
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:41,760
item?

2804
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:43,440
>> Mayor, I motion that we amend the

2805
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:45,280
request and shown as Omegle's own

2806
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:49,830
request from R1A to R110.

2807
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:51,440
» Okay, we have a motion and been

2808
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:54,000
seconded. Roll call vote starting with

2809
01:55:54,000 --> 01:55:55,840
council Smith.

2810
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:56,400
>> Yes.

2811
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:57,840
>> Council Hlet.

2812
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:00,800
>> Uh, no. And the reason is because um I

2813
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:03,360
know that if for multifamily it'd have

2814
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:05,119
to come back to us and we could deny

2815
01:56:05,119 --> 01:56:06,000
that.

2816
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:08,000
>> Okay. Council Rolley,

2817
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:08,880
>> yes.

2818
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:10,000
>> Council Moss,

2819
01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:11,199
>> yes.

2820
01:56:11,199 --> 01:56:12,639
>> Council Postcar,

2821
01:56:12,639 --> 01:56:13,119
>> yes.

2822
01:56:13,119 --> 01:56:14,159
>> Okay, motion carries.

2823
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:16,800
>> And mine carries because

2824
01:56:16,800 --> 01:56:19,119
it still leaves a

2825
01:56:19,119 --> 01:56:21,599
>> if we Yep. with the overlay and I'm just

2826
01:56:21,599 --> 01:56:23,119
not comfortable with that.

2827
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:25,840
>> Okay, ladies and gentlemen, it's been a

2828
01:56:25,840 --> 01:56:27,920
pleasure to have you be here. I have

2829
01:56:27,920 --> 01:56:29,679
been in meetings that have been a little

2830
01:56:29,679 --> 01:56:31,679
bit ruckus and I don't like those

2831
01:56:31,679 --> 01:56:33,280
meetings and I don't think any of you

2832
01:56:33,280 --> 01:56:35,840
really would either. But my compliment

2833
01:56:35,840 --> 01:56:39,040
is to you uh thank you for for being

2834
01:56:39,040 --> 01:56:41,199
here number one and and doing it in in

2835
01:56:41,199 --> 01:56:43,599
an orderly fashion.

2836
01:56:43,599 --> 01:56:47,990
>> Thank you so much.

2837
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:49,760
» Absolutely. So we just we just changed

2838
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:51,599
the designation from active living to

2839
01:56:51,599 --> 01:56:54,080
traditional uh with a minimum of 10,000

2840
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:55,040
square foot lots.

2841
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:56,480
>> So there is no possibility of

2842
01:56:56,480 --> 01:56:58,159
>> no possibility of an overlay.

2843
01:56:58,159 --> 01:57:01,990
>> Correct.

2844
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:05,840
No density single family homes.

2845
01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:11,990
>> Yeah, go ahead and clap on that one.

2846
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:27,189
» Thank you.

2847
01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:33,589
» A lot of these people don't

2848
01:57:33,599 --> 01:57:37,589
Well,

2849
01:57:37,599 --> 01:57:39,760
» that that's why that's why I felt like

2850
01:57:39,760 --> 01:57:42,480
it's was very important to give some

2851
01:57:42,480 --> 01:57:44,159
people an opportunity to talk.

2852
01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:46,320
>> Thank you for explaining that.

2853
01:57:46,320 --> 01:57:50,480
>> You bet. Thank you. Okay. Uh I'm ready

2854
01:57:50,480 --> 01:57:52,639
for a motion to join to adjourn to a

2855
01:57:52,639 --> 01:57:53,360
closed meeting.

2856
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:54,880
>> So moved.

2857
01:57:54,880 --> 01:57:55,920
>> Second.

2858
01:57:55,920 --> 01:57:57,440
>> Okay. All in favor say I.

2859
01:57:57,440 --> 01:57:58,000
>> I.

2860
01:57:58,000 --> 01:58:04,790
>> Good. Any oppose? Nope.

2861
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:14,709
» I do. You want me to do it?

2862
01:58:14,719 --> 01:58:17,599
» Bob, turn on your microphone.

2863
01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:20,400
>> They turned

2864
01:58:20,400 --> 01:58:22,880
>> at 7:57

2865
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:24,960
uh to discuss the purchase, exchange,

2866
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:27,440
sale, or lease of real property. Okay.

2867
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:29,119
You missed

2868
01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:30,239
>> better

2869
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:32,000
>> then. We we we we [laughter]

2870
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:32,560
got that.

2871
01:58:32,560 --> 01:58:33,760
>> We have to have roll call.

2872
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:36,000
>> Yes, we do.

2873
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:37,199
>> Okay. Roll call.

2874
01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:38,639
>> Yes.

2875
01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:39,840
>> Roll call.

2876
01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:41,520
>> Yes.

2877
01:58:41,520 --> 01:58:44,000
>> Okay. Unanimous.

2878
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:45,520
>> I love my little doll.

2879
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:46,639
>> Me, too.

2880
01:58:46,639 --> 01:58:47,760
>> Oh my gosh.

2881
01:58:47,760 --> 01:58:50,159
>> I was scared it was a rude doll of us.

2882
01:58:50,159 --> 01:58:52,239
I'll be stabbing it in the watching

2883
01:58:52,239 --> 01:58:54,000
>> in the crowd.

2884
01:58:54,000 --> 01:58:56,400
>> I haven't either. I have curious. The

2885
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:58,480
time.