1 00:00:00,719 --> 00:00:04,950 recording in prog. 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,600 » Welcome to planning commission um March 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:10,719 25th here in PAC. We appreciate uh 4 00:00:10,719 --> 00:00:12,400 having actually some people in the 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:13,840 audience. Usually we don't have that. 6 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:16,640 So, thank you for being here. Um I've 7 00:00:16,640 --> 00:00:18,560 asked Commissioner Adams to give us an 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:26,630 opening prayer. 9 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,800 » Help us the right choices for the city 10 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:30,320 and 11 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,480 be the best benefit to the people of the 12 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:35,200 city. Help us throughout our days and 13 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,590 help us. 14 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,559 » Amen. And then I forgot to mention who's 15 00:00:42,559 --> 00:00:44,160 here. We have Commissioner Himley, 16 00:00:44,160 --> 00:00:45,840 Commissioner Adams, Commissioner 17 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,320 Beecher, and Commissioner Frisbee. 18 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,719 himself. 19 00:00:50,719 --> 00:00:53,199 And 20 00:00:53,199 --> 00:00:56,790 here comes 21 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:58,239 We have one more commissioner. So, we'll 22 00:00:58,239 --> 00:01:02,559 wait for her to get here, too. So, 23 00:01:02,559 --> 00:01:04,159 you get to walk up here and be in front 24 00:01:04,159 --> 00:01:13,590 of everybody. And 25 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:15,280 so, we do have Cororum can't do 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,040 business. So, that's good. Appreciate 27 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:18,159 it. 28 00:01:18,159 --> 00:01:19,840 All right. Um, did everybody have a 29 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,320 chance to review the consent agenda 30 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:25,600 items? Uh, 31, which is the approval of 31 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:28,240 minutes from our March 11th meeting? 32 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:28,720 >> Yes. 33 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,520 >> Any comments or questions? 34 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,040 >> I need a motion to approve. 35 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,560 >> I make a motion to approve the minutes 36 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,560 from the March 11th planning commission 37 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:37,280 meeting. 38 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:38,079 >> I second. 39 00:01:38,079 --> 00:01:39,759 >> We have a motion and a second. All in 40 00:01:39,759 --> 00:01:41,280 favor by Yes. 41 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:42,079 >> Yes. 42 00:01:42,079 --> 00:01:46,159 >> Any opposed? Okay. Public forum. This is 43 00:01:46,159 --> 00:01:47,840 a chance for the public to tell us 44 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:49,680 something that isn't on the agenda. If 45 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:51,840 it's on the agenda, we'll get to it in a 46 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,280 minute. If you don't know what's on the 47 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,439 agenda, the agendas are in the back 48 00:01:55,439 --> 00:02:02,149 pocket back there. Um, 49 00:02:02,159 --> 00:02:04,000 okay. Doesn't look like there's any 50 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,920 public forum issues, so we'll go to um 51 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,039 item 5.1, which is public hearing. Uh, 52 00:02:11,039 --> 00:02:14,239 zoning map amendment. Um, Guy Williams 53 00:02:14,239 --> 00:02:16,000 on behalf of several land owners is 54 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,280 requesting his own change from MH1 to 55 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:21,200 MH2. 56 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,440 Um, and uh, 57 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,959 I'm pretty sure Michael's going to give 58 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:29,120 us some information on that. So, we're 59 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:30,800 going to let him do that. I'm not going 60 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,720 to read off the name, the numbers that 61 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,360 it constitutes because Michael will 62 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:39,599 cover that in a minute. So, 63 00:02:39,599 --> 00:02:41,920 >> okay. 64 00:02:41,920 --> 00:02:43,519 All right, 65 00:02:43,519 --> 00:02:48,470 let me get this started. 66 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,599 So, as was stated, uh the request is for 67 00:02:51,599 --> 00:02:55,680 a zone change. Um and this body won't 68 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,200 see it, but there would be a development 69 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,519 agreement with this zone change. 70 00:02:59,519 --> 00:03:03,360 >> If if we if we elect to recommend 71 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,400 approval, we need to recommend approval 72 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,560 to include the the proposed 73 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,080 I think that's fine. I don't know that 74 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:13,280 it matters, but 75 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:14,800 >> but it but it wouldn't be a bad idea to 76 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:15,680 include that. 77 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:16,400 >> Correct. 78 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,239 >> I think so. If we do recommend that's 79 00:03:18,239 --> 00:03:20,480 what we need to do that it includes the 80 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:21,280 development agreement. 81 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:22,720 >> That would be fine. You just include 82 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,000 that in your motion. That would be fine 83 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:25,040 if that's what you decided. 84 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,560 >> If if we like to do that 85 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,159 >> to include what? The 86 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:29,120 >> development agreement. 87 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,959 Thanks. 88 00:03:30,959 --> 00:03:33,599 >> Okay. So to give you some perspective 89 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:35,599 here tonight, we're only making a 90 00:03:35,599 --> 00:03:37,280 recommendation. So planning commission's 91 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,440 role is a recommendation to city council 92 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,480 whether it's approve deny that would be 93 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:44,560 your what you would be doing tonight. 94 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,280 City council makes an actual decision on 95 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,599 this change. So any kind of motions that 96 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:51,760 you make or anything like that please 97 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,400 make sure that your motions is a 98 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,560 recommendation to do this or 99 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,159 recommendation to do that. 100 00:04:00,159 --> 00:04:03,200 Um let you kind of get oriented to the 101 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,159 area here. 102 00:04:06,159 --> 00:04:08,560 Zooming in. Keep an eye on the little 103 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,360 hashed box. 104 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,959 I think most people know this area. 105 00:04:14,959 --> 00:04:19,519 So there in that uh red rectangular box 106 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,079 is the vicinity of this property just 107 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:29,110 south of Gladston Golf Course. 108 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:33,520 Um the current zoning there is the MH1 109 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,600 which stands for mountain and hillside 110 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:40,000 zone one and the request is for mountain 111 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,199 and hillside zone two. The primary 112 00:04:43,199 --> 00:04:46,560 difference between those is density. Um, 113 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,280 in the mountain and hillside one, you 114 00:04:49,280 --> 00:04:53,040 can have one housing unit per 10 acres. 115 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,919 And in the mountain and hillside 2, you 116 00:04:55,919 --> 00:04:58,800 can have one per acre. And it even has 117 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:00,479 some flexibility that you can have 118 00:05:00,479 --> 00:05:02,639 smaller lots than that, provided that 119 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:04,720 the overall density of your development 120 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,440 is one per acre. 121 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,360 Um, so continuing on, this is a concept 122 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,840 layout at the very bottom of the screen 123 00:05:13,840 --> 00:05:15,840 there. That is the Gladston Drive that 124 00:05:15,840 --> 00:05:18,720 approaches into the golf course. And 125 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:22,320 that cultasac is the proposed concept 126 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,000 road for um some potential lots there. 127 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,880 And that those are the uh concept layout 128 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,199 of what those lots would look like. So a 129 00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:34,560 total of 14 of them there. Uh, one thing 130 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,360 to also point out is that um I don't 131 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:40,080 know why it keeps advancing on me uh to 132 00:05:40,080 --> 00:05:42,479 point out is each of these will be each 133 00:05:42,479 --> 00:05:44,560 of these lots will be in excess of a 134 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:47,919 half acre. Some of them even uh up to an 135 00:05:47,919 --> 00:05:51,600 acre or more. So large lots here um 136 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:56,400 they'll be custom executive homes. Uh 137 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:01,360 that would be no um track type housing, 138 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,160 no housing that's going to be looking 139 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:05,680 the same as the one next to it or 140 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,520 anything like that. Each one of them 141 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,400 would be customly designed and built and 142 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,800 that's going to be um something that the 143 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,560 property owners desire but also 144 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:16,960 something that we would have identified 145 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,479 in detailed in the development 146 00:06:18,479 --> 00:06:21,199 agreement. 147 00:06:21,199 --> 00:06:22,639 talking about development agreement. 148 00:06:22,639 --> 00:06:24,720 These are several things that city staff 149 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,160 have come up with that need to be 150 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,479 addressed and and ensure are part of 151 00:06:28,479 --> 00:06:32,720 that agreement. Um the city would 152 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,880 require an easement going through the 153 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:38,720 golf course. The reason being is the 154 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:42,960 easiest and most beneficial way for the 155 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:47,600 applicant would be to run the sewer line 156 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,800 down one of the fairways and then into 157 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,000 the parking lot near the RV park in the 158 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:57,840 golf course. And so staff feels as if 159 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:00,080 it's appropriate to have that easement. 160 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,160 Yes, it's all city property. That 161 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,599 doesn't mean it'll always be city 162 00:07:03,599 --> 00:07:04,960 property. there might be some reason 163 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,759 that uh the golf course gets sold or 164 00:07:07,759 --> 00:07:09,280 whatever, but that that's why an 165 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:10,960 easement is important to have that the 166 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,120 city can maintain and utilize and take 167 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,520 care of that even if for some reason the 168 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:17,280 property wasn't in their ownership in 169 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:20,400 the future. Um, another concern is 170 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,720 timing of when those sewer improvements 171 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,599 would be installed. Um, as you know, 172 00:07:25,599 --> 00:07:27,440 there's people that like to golf and 173 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,840 they don't want to have trenches to fall 174 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,080 into. And so, um, our golf pros also 175 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:37,599 talked about wanting to reduce that 176 00:07:37,599 --> 00:07:40,479 impact by doing any kind of improvements 177 00:07:40,479 --> 00:07:44,800 for that line, uh, during off season. 178 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:49,919 And that way, it can also help to, um, 179 00:07:49,919 --> 00:07:52,800 revitalize um, grass and things like 180 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:56,000 that um, for a little bit of time before 181 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,680 people actually are start starting to 182 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,759 golf again on that. Um, 183 00:08:01,759 --> 00:08:03,840 another item that the golf pro wanted to 184 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:06,879 us to mention is an understanding to the 185 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:08,720 current property owners and future 186 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,160 property owners if this is reszoned and 187 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,240 subdivided that that there is a golf 188 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:16,639 course there and there is impacts on 189 00:08:16,639 --> 00:08:20,000 residents. Um, namely there's there's 190 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,680 golf balls and they might come into your 191 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,919 yard. But another thing that the golf 192 00:08:23,919 --> 00:08:27,440 pro mentioned is they have loudspeakers 193 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:29,599 and they'll they'll 194 00:08:29,599 --> 00:08:32,320 yell out, "It's tea time at 5:30 in the 195 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:33,519 morning." 196 00:08:33,519 --> 00:08:36,479 >> And so that's that's something that that 197 00:08:36,479 --> 00:08:39,039 needs to be known and understood. 198 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:40,719 Um 199 00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:42,959 again coming back with the golf course 200 00:08:42,959 --> 00:08:45,200 and the vicinity to this area and 201 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,360 wanting to maintain 202 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:51,519 um an attractive look and feel. Um it's 203 00:08:51,519 --> 00:08:53,680 being requested that uh a sight 204 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:57,200 obscuring fence that's attractive and 205 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:00,160 blends in with the environment would be 206 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,240 a separator between the golf course and 207 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,760 any of the homes. Um and then also slope 208 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,920 retention. This this image here is an 209 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,480 example that the applicant shared as a 210 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:13,120 possible uh fencing product for slope 211 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:15,600 retention. Uh that way it looks natural 212 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,480 and not just any kind of concrete 213 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,160 retaining wall, but it actually looks 214 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,959 like stone natural belongs there. Um, 215 00:09:24,959 --> 00:09:26,800 and then finally, I already mentioned it 216 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,040 to some degree, but um, in the 217 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,560 development agreement, we would request 218 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:33,279 for executive style homes that blend 219 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:35,360 with the environment and are attractive 220 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,880 from all sides. Uh, so adding to that, 221 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,360 there's a little bit that um, the 222 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,200 applicants provided that they want to 223 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:44,880 see in the agreement. Some of it's 224 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,360 duplicative, but so I'm going to just 225 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,959 show that here. Um it would be all 226 00:09:50,959 --> 00:09:53,519 single family homes, detached and 227 00:09:53,519 --> 00:09:55,200 customdesigned, 228 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,640 high quality architecture, uh balancing 229 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,440 the massing and scale of the homes, 230 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,440 articulated elevations that are visible 231 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:05,760 on all sides. The minimum home sites 232 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,519 excluding garages, porches, and 233 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:09,680 basements would be 3,000 square feet. So 234 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:13,920 these these are large homes. Um 235 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:15,279 I'm not going to read all of those on 236 00:10:15,279 --> 00:10:20,079 the record. You can see that they're up there. Um but they would uh 237 00:10:20,079 --> 00:10:22,640 blend in with uh the environment as much 238 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,360 as possible. Their exterior materials 239 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,720 would be a variety of materials that 240 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:31,440 will complement the area. 241 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,399 Um garages would be integrated into the 242 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:38,399 home design and not not um 243 00:10:38,399 --> 00:10:43,360 not incredibly um visually prominent. 244 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,320 Um, driveways. There's things on there 245 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,839 to help uh talk about how driveways 246 00:10:49,839 --> 00:10:52,560 would be enhanced ex exterior lighting, 247 00:10:52,560 --> 00:10:54,560 low-level downcast and dark sky 248 00:10:54,560 --> 00:10:57,279 compliant. And then the applicant puts a 249 00:10:57,279 --> 00:10:59,839 few things here that they would want to 250 00:10:59,839 --> 00:11:02,720 explicitly prohibit. And so you can see 251 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,040 those items listed on there. 252 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,480 Here are a few sample home products that 253 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,640 the applicant provided. These are just 254 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,120 stock photos, so it's not like any one 255 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,040 of these homes is particularly going to 256 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,320 be built, but this is the intent of the 257 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,279 style and look of some of the homes that 258 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:25,600 they would want to consider for for this 259 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,590 area. 260 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,839 So, tonight, um staff would recommend 261 00:11:33,839 --> 00:11:36,959 approval of this zone change. Uh, one 262 00:11:36,959 --> 00:11:39,680 thing that I do need to mention and and 263 00:11:39,680 --> 00:11:43,920 we just found out very recently was in 264 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,320 the public hearing notice, there was a 265 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,120 small parcel that this zone change 266 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,600 affects that wasn't noted on that 267 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:52,640 hearing notice. 268 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,160 >> That was one of my notes. 269 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,959 >> And so, uh, talking to our city 270 00:11:56,959 --> 00:12:00,320 attorney, he recommends that we do this 271 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:02,640 public hearing again. 272 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,880 And so we'll do it as soon as possible, 273 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:08,639 which will be April 8th. Um, and we'll 274 00:12:08,639 --> 00:12:10,160 send out the courtesy notices and 275 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,399 whatnot just so that everybody knows and 276 00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:15,279 it's all parcels involved. Uh, but it 277 00:12:15,279 --> 00:12:16,959 but it's really going to be duplicative 278 00:12:16,959 --> 00:12:21,120 of what is um talked about here tonight. 279 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:22,959 And with that being said, I would just 280 00:12:22,959 --> 00:12:25,200 ask if you have any questions before you 281 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,320 open a public hearing. 282 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,440 >> So you mentioned the one parcel. Why 283 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,639 isn't Go back to your 284 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:38,550 map. 285 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:40,240 So, the one partial you mentioned, No, 286 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,320 go back to the one that with the concept 287 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,120 on it, the the one partial you mentioned 288 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,720 is over on that east side over on the 289 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,240 right hand side is what you're talking 290 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:49,200 about, right? 291 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,120 >> If I can get my cursor up there, 292 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,519 >> there's like a little triangular shaped 293 00:12:53,519 --> 00:12:54,880 piece right there 294 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,320 >> and it's owned by Ryrie. I don't know if 295 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,800 it's Ryrie LLC or or what what 296 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:01,839 >> it's owned by some of the same people 297 00:13:01,839 --> 00:13:03,279 that own some of these other parcels. 298 00:13:03,279 --> 00:13:07,120 >> Ryrie also owns the top northeastern 299 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,839 portion. Um so they're aware of it and 300 00:13:09,839 --> 00:13:13,040 they're in favor of the zone change. Uh 301 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,040 but we just want to make sure that all 302 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:16,880 those eyes. 303 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:18,800 >> Okay. So the other question I had about 304 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,839 property on this is why isn't the parcel 305 00:13:21,839 --> 00:13:25,440 south of the two small lots to the west 306 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:27,839 of Gladstone, why isn't that parcel 307 00:13:27,839 --> 00:13:30,000 included when it's the same ownership? 308 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:30,720 >> This one here. 309 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:32,000 >> Yeah. 310 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:36,320 >> Um we talked about that and um I know 311 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,639 that the property owner there actually 312 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:40,959 reached out to us about that. Well, 313 00:13:40,959 --> 00:13:42,800 they're they're the owners. It appears 314 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,639 to me the same owners as 315 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:47,680 >> they are the owners of some property 316 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:49,920 right here. I think it would be part of 317 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,200 these two lots. Um, so yes, they they 318 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:56,880 talked to us about that. Um, 319 00:13:56,880 --> 00:14:00,800 >> at the time the applicant didn't put 320 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,880 that together in their proposal, so it's 321 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,839 not in this request. 322 00:14:05,839 --> 00:14:08,560 Um, and the applicant was wanting to 323 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:10,399 move this along as as quickly as 324 00:14:10,399 --> 00:14:13,600 possible if if they could. And so, um, 325 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,440 that's really the nature of it. I don't 326 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,959 know that they wouldn't be 327 00:14:18,959 --> 00:14:21,279 uninterested in participating since they 328 00:14:21,279 --> 00:14:25,199 do have their other parcel. Um, 329 00:14:25,199 --> 00:14:27,279 and perhaps that can be something that 330 00:14:27,279 --> 00:14:29,120 could be considered in the future, but 331 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:30,880 we wanted to process the applicant's 332 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,040 request as they presented it to us. 333 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,360 Couple other land issues I had questions 334 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:39,839 on the I believe it's lot 335 00:14:39,839 --> 00:14:43,040 whatever the first one is just northeast 336 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,279 of the intersection of Gladstone and and 337 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:46,240 the culac 338 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:46,560 >> one. 339 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,079 >> No northeast 340 00:14:48,079 --> 00:14:50,240 >> of the intersection. That one up. 341 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,240 >> Not that one. That one 342 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,079 >> to the left there. That one. Okay. 343 00:14:54,079 --> 00:14:56,240 >> What o lot number is that? 344 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,920 >> That's too small for me to see. But I 345 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:58,880 think 346 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:00,720 >> I think it's oriented that that one is 347 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,519 number one and it goes around. I'm not certain, but 348 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:05,279 >> well, whatever lot number is on that 349 00:15:05,279 --> 00:15:09,120 concept on the county mapping, 350 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,920 the parking lot for the golf courses in 351 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:13,600 that property. 352 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,880 >> Yes, I noticed that. And 353 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,959 obviously, um, with a subdivision, 354 00:15:20,959 --> 00:15:23,440 you're going to need to identify all of 355 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,920 your property boundaries. 356 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:28,320 >> Um, we also have, you can see that 357 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:29,680 little triangle in the top. 358 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,199 >> The other one was a triangle piece. What 359 00:15:31,199 --> 00:15:33,040 was going to happen with that? It's got 360 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:34,880 greens on it 361 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,000 >> or something on it 362 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,320 >> there. There's actually a the city golf 363 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,160 course sign right there. You can see a 364 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,199 little diagonal uh rectangle in that top 365 00:15:43,199 --> 00:15:46,160 corner. Um so yes, there's there's 366 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:48,880 question about that. Um I think that's 367 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:50,639 something we would just handle in the 368 00:15:50,639 --> 00:15:52,480 subdivision process if the zone change 369 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,639 is approved. And then the only other 370 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:56,959 question I had was 371 00:15:56,959 --> 00:16:00,240 um the alignment of of Gladstone Drive 372 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,600 does not match the rideway. 373 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,800 It goes in and out of the rideway. 374 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,000 >> Are we going to straighten out the 375 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Gladstone Drive 376 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:11,440 >> or are we going to have 377 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:13,759 >> I'm going to leave that to our engineers 378 00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:16,240 to to discuss. I don't know. But 379 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:17,600 >> those are the kind of things I look at. 380 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:18,320 Sorry. 381 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,959 >> Yeah, that that will be reviewed at at 382 00:16:20,959 --> 00:16:23,759 the subdivision level. Some of it has to 383 00:16:23,759 --> 00:16:26,639 do with access and entering that new 384 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:27,680 intersection, 385 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:28,160 >> right? 386 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:29,920 >> But I don't know those answers. 387 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,320 >> Okay. 388 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,639 >> Oh, and then the other question I have 389 00:16:34,639 --> 00:16:37,600 um is 390 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,920 our ordinance is a little bit vague on 391 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,120 in at least in my opinion on 392 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:45,600 units per acre as to what that 393 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,480 constitutes. Is it units per acre of 394 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,040 buildable land? Is it units per acre of 395 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,759 total land? Is it units per acre of, you 396 00:16:53,759 --> 00:16:56,079 know, do the roads are the roads 397 00:16:56,079 --> 00:16:57,920 excluded? All those kind of things. And 398 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:01,759 so I just so yes, our ordinance is a 399 00:17:01,759 --> 00:17:05,360 little bit sketchy on that. Currently, I 400 00:17:05,360 --> 00:17:07,919 think the design and the layout provided 401 00:17:07,919 --> 00:17:11,199 it works with utilities and with a road 402 00:17:11,199 --> 00:17:13,760 and those sort of things. I think we 403 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:15,600 were fine with this potential 404 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,600 development. But yes, we are aware of 405 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,959 that for density and things moving 406 00:17:20,959 --> 00:17:22,640 forward that we're trying to come up 407 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:26,400 with that. Part of that was with that um 408 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:28,240 public hearing we had last meeting with 409 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,039 the different plans and the ordinances 410 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:33,280 that we brought to you. So we we're are 411 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:34,160 working on that 412 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,679 >> because there's about 14.3 acres 413 00:17:37,679 --> 00:17:39,039 of all the land that they have 414 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:41,440 consolidated there, but some of that's 415 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:46,720 taken up with roads, right? So, 416 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:47,200 >> okay. 417 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:48,720 >> Something we still need to work on, I 418 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:49,760 take it. 419 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,200 >> So, those are my questions. Anybody else 420 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:54,080 have any questions? 421 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:58,480 >> I just curious utilities is right there 422 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,520 where the dotted lines are about middle. 423 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,760 >> So, this 424 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,720 current in the concept provided for this 425 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,720 zone change application. Yes, you can 426 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,200 see those dotted lines going north. 427 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:12,720 That's where it's showing the utility 428 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:15,440 easement for the sewer. In the 429 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,039 subdivision application that was just 430 00:18:17,039 --> 00:18:18,559 submitted to us yesterday, they're 431 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:25,200 proposing it uh between we'll call that one lot on the top left number one 432 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,440 and the lot next to it number two. So 433 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,600 between lots two and three is where 434 00:18:29,600 --> 00:18:30,559 they're proposing it. 435 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:31,919 >> They're changing move it over just one 436 00:18:31,919 --> 00:18:33,280 more lot then. 437 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,200 >> Well, that's what they're proposing. Now 438 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,640 whether or not it works, that's going to 439 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,080 be something that public works and 440 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,080 engineering would have to determine. So, 441 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:41,840 >> I just got to get try to get an eyeball 442 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:43,039 where it's 443 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:44,960 >> where where it's proposed on here would 444 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,280 be a straight shot going just through 445 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,160 the middle of of the fairway and then it 446 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,240 could actually end up right in the 447 00:18:52,240 --> 00:18:53,919 parking lot of the uh 448 00:18:53,919 --> 00:18:55,600 >> go through six and nine. 449 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,280 >> Yeah, it would just go it' just be a 450 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:57,919 straight shot. 451 00:18:57,919 --> 00:18:59,360 >> I'm glad you know what the golf course 452 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:01,760 looks like. So, 453 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,360 >> number nine is my one of my favorite. 454 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:05,360 >> It's number nine's your go your hole. 455 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:08,470 >> Okay. 456 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:09,679 that's all I got. 457 00:19:09,679 --> 00:19:12,000 >> Okay. Anybody else have any questions 458 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:13,679 before we open it up for a public 459 00:19:13,679 --> 00:19:15,520 hearing? 460 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:18,400 Okay. Okay. I need a motion to open a 461 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:19,840 public hearing. 462 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,440 >> Make a motion to open a public hearing 463 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,400 on this uh proposal from going from 464 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,720 Mountain Hillside one to Mount Hillside 465 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:28,559 2. 466 00:19:28,559 --> 00:19:30,400 >> I have a motion. Do I have a second? 467 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:31,520 >> Second it. 468 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,120 >> I have a motion and a second. All in 469 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:34,080 favor with yes. 470 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:35,440 >> Yes. 471 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,760 >> Any opposed? Okay. This is an 472 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:39,200 opportunity for the public to come and 473 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:41,440 tell us what your feelings and thoughts 474 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,280 are on this. Um, please come to the 475 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,799 microphone, state your name, and uh try 476 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:48,880 to keep your comments to uh about 3 477 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:52,950 minutes or so. 478 00:19:52,960 --> 00:20:03,830 Yeah. Come on up to the microphone and tell us your name. 479 00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,799 » Anyway, my first question was that Uh, 480 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:07,520 I'm sorry, 481 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,840 >> Breast Williams. I'm sorry, 482 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,039 >> Brett Williams. 483 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:11,600 >> Thank you. 484 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,000 >> And I live at Gladston Manor, which is 485 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,200 the last house on Elkridge, right on the 486 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,840 border of Pac. So, I live Kitty corner 487 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,200 to this property. 488 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,039 >> So, so yeah. 489 00:20:23,039 --> 00:20:25,919 >> So, I live up here. So, yeah, that would 490 00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:29,679 be north facing. So, I'd be living down. 491 00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:32,240 Um, so my first question because I'm 492 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:35,200 just looking at the map provided by the 493 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,720 developer. that's up there. Um, that top 494 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,120 line right there isn't the golf course. 495 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:44,480 That top line, I think, is another strip 496 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,520 of property between the golf course and 497 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:49,919 this proposed development. So, I think 498 00:20:49,919 --> 00:20:52,000 there's one more property that needs to 499 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,480 be evaluated or looked at in between 500 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,520 those two. 501 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,679 >> I think you're referring there's 502 00:20:59,679 --> 00:21:04,000 properties there and the 503 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:07,679 properties. Um those two property owners 504 00:21:07,679 --> 00:21:08,559 are 505 00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:09,360 >> part of this 506 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:10,400 >> are aware of this. 507 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,039 >> Okay. 508 00:21:11,039 --> 00:21:13,840 >> What I understand the intent is to go 509 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,480 all the way to the property 510 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,320 >> those those two properties were included 511 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,080 in the 512 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,159 >> Okay. 513 00:21:22,159 --> 00:21:23,760 Anyway, 514 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,080 um so anyway, I yeah, I live uh 515 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,600 Gladston. I hike this hillside every 516 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:31,600 single day, sometimes twice a day with 517 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,799 my dogs. Beautiful hillside. Wonderful. 518 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:37,840 Um, but if you haven't physically gone 519 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,640 there, you need to go there before you 520 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,799 make this vote because the slopes on 521 00:21:42,799 --> 00:21:47,360 these hillsides are incredible. From the 522 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:50,080 top of 12, which is this one here, to 523 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,760 the bottom of 12, it's probably 90 to 524 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:57,360 100 feet drop. It's just incredible 525 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,200 slope straight down. Those beautiful 526 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,440 houses that we saw pictures of, you'd 527 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,280 never be able to build them. the slopes 528 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,360 are just way too sle steep to put any of 529 00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,080 that kind of development. A good 80% of 530 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,000 the property I think is unbuildable 531 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,760 because the slopes are so high. So, um 532 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:17,919 my what I wanted to come up and say and 533 00:22:17,919 --> 00:22:20,559 ask is for you guys to go walk it. Go 534 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:22,559 walk it and take, you know, take a look 535 00:22:22,559 --> 00:22:24,720 around. Two things will probably happen. 536 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:25,919 First thing is you're going to fall on 537 00:22:25,919 --> 00:22:28,080 your butt as you walk down the slope 538 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,960 because I often do. It's just so steep. 539 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,000 And the second thing that's going to 540 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,320 happen is you try to walk back up, 541 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,159 you're going to be out of breath because 542 00:22:36,159 --> 00:22:38,960 it is a hike. I I don't know if you guys 543 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,909 have numbers, but it must be 544 00:22:43,919 --> 00:22:47,520 two 300 feet from the bottom to the top. 545 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,760 It's It's huge. It is quite a a a change 546 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,240 in elevation. So, that's my biggest 547 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,280 concern um is just how steep everything 548 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,280 is going to be. And even the road that 549 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,200 we're proposing here, that's going to 550 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,000 drop down and just become a bobsled ride 551 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,360 that they're just going to go right 552 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,760 into. I'm glad that's a green spot right 553 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,760 there because the cars are just going to 554 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,880 slide right into that green spot. Um it 555 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,520 it's way too steep for any kind of safe 556 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,400 road to be built. And so that would be 557 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:19,840 my concern. 558 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:23,600 So, as I look at this, um, 559 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:26,799 my my takeaway is this feels like a high 560 00:23:26,799 --> 00:23:29,760 risk project for this city in terms of 561 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,320 future lawsuits when the hill starts 562 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,159 sliding or, you know, the development 563 00:23:34,159 --> 00:23:36,640 doesn't work. Um, and I just don't see 564 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,360 much of an upside. This these 565 00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:40,880 properties, you're not going to be able 566 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,480 to build very big houses on them. 567 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:44,559 They're just too steep. It's just not 568 00:23:44,559 --> 00:23:47,039 workable. So I I worry there's high 569 00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:51,440 liability with low return in terms of 570 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,440 building a 3,000 square foot house on 571 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:56,000 that. Good luck. Good luck. So that 572 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:56,880 would be my concern. 573 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,600 >> All right. Thank you for your input. 574 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:03,270 >> Go walk. 575 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,760 Just come on up. 576 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,679 You can you can fight over who comes up 577 00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:10,400 first. So 578 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,039 my name is Gary Winterton. I'm uh 579 00:24:13,039 --> 00:24:15,840 president of Suburban Land Corporation. 580 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,880 First of all, yes, we would love to get 581 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:20,480 that zone change. We just thought we'd 582 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,400 focus on this little bit right now. 583 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,400 >> I just wondered why why it wasn't 584 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:25,120 included. So, 585 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:28,080 >> but uh because they're working on phase 586 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:28,720 one, 587 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,200 >> okay, 588 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,880 >> and they've talked with me about phase 589 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,559 two. The re there is 590 00:24:34,559 --> 00:24:37,200 he's right, it does slope down, but we 591 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,400 worked with PACE. We gave so much ground 592 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,400 for the golf course so that they could 593 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,240 build it and the roads going to the 594 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,960 clubhouse. And we worked with patient 595 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,720 city to develop a plat which what's your 596 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,000 name? Brett the Brent actually bought a 597 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,640 piece of ground through meets and bounds 598 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:59,520 of our original plat. 599 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,760 And so that was ours and we had I think 600 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,279 it was 11 lots that the PAC city council 601 00:25:05,279 --> 00:25:07,360 was really interested in doing at the 602 00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:09,360 time but they were concerned about the 603 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,000 sewer situation and they hated to give 604 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,400 us septic tank approval based on because 605 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:17,840 there was a bunch of other people that 606 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,520 would love to have developed at that 607 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,039 time and so we worked very closely with 608 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:24,960 Pacin City who was the manager at that 609 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:28,240 time in 1988 Mikls 610 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:29,600 >> no I don't remember. 611 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,600 >> But anyway, I'd look up and see. I'd 612 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,600 have to look at the thing. But he was a 613 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,880 city manager and he helped us form this. 614 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,080 >> And so, um, the reason the road is not 615 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,799 quite on is because Pac was in such a 616 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:44,640 hurry to get that they had to have that 617 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,919 ground done quickly so that they could 618 00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:49,520 make the the deal. 619 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:49,840 >> Yeah. 620 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,840 >> And so they put the road Maybe it 621 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,320 doesn't quite match up. But I also 622 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:56,559 believe that there is enough room. you 623 00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:58,880 I've seen houses that start out level 624 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,039 and then they drop down and he's right 625 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,760 it does drop down but I do believe and I 626 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,679 think at the time Pacin City also 627 00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:10,799 believed that there was um ample room we 628 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:12,960 had like I said we were basically ready 629 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,320 to go with 11 lots now this zone change 630 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,440 we're grateful for and we want the zone 631 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,200 we want to be changed and I think that 632 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,440 the development that they're proposing 633 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,080 is really the type of development that 634 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,799 should be there. It's a It's beautiful 635 00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:32,000 ground. The views, like Brett said, are 636 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:33,600 spectacular 637 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,440 and that's why we kept it and that's why 638 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,360 we're still holding it until we could 639 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:40,000 find the right developer and the right 640 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,919 development to put that in. 641 00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:43,840 >> Are you one of the applicants? Did I 642 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,960 >> I am I I'm not an applicant. 643 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:47,600 >> Okay. 644 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,000 >> But what I am I'm a I'm a property owner 645 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:50,720 on that. 646 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:51,039 >> Okay. Okay. 647 00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:53,120 >> What happened was my mother has just 648 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:55,440 passed away two months ago and we're 649 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,880 dealing with um estate issues right now 650 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,559 and trying to figure get make sure that 651 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,320 we do that properly. 652 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:02,720 >> Okay. 653 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,120 >> And it's a couple months, but I do feel 654 00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:06,960 very comfortable that we are going to be 655 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,520 able to work something out. I've talked 656 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,799 with John and I I I feel comfortable 657 00:27:12,799 --> 00:27:14,880 with the things that they're proposing 658 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,520 and I look forward to working with them. 659 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:21,679 So, um, I'm in support of this 660 00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:25,279 zone change and, um, 661 00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:27,440 I appreciate the time. Thanks. 662 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,520 >> If you have any questions for me, 663 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,559 >> I I was there at the meetings in 1988, 664 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:36,000 so I know I remember. Thank you. 665 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:46,549 >> Thank you. Anyone else? 666 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:49,600 Uh my name is John Wright. I reside in 667 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,640 Arizona. Uh I've enjoyed my trips out 668 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,360 here to Utah and it would definitely be 669 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,600 a place to live. It's beautiful. I first 670 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,360 want to compliment the staff that we've 671 00:27:59,360 --> 00:28:00,880 been working with for the last eight 672 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:02,720 months. They've been wonderful. I work 673 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:05,760 in California. I work in Arizona and now 674 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,919 in Utah. And this is probably the best 675 00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:10,480 staff that I've ever sat in front of 676 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,279 that were optimistic and they fed me the 677 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:19,760 information I needed to present this uh development. Um I've been doing 678 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,320 this for 40 years. I've done it I've 679 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,360 even done it in Cabo where you'd swear 680 00:28:25,360 --> 00:28:27,600 it was a wall you were building on. And 681 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,760 what I found out is engineers earned 682 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,000 their money and our and I have an 683 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,600 excellent engineer that has designed 684 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,399 this road and kept the slope because my 685 00:28:36,399 --> 00:28:38,960 first my first question to him is I 686 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,559 don't want people sliding down that when 687 00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:42,640 it's icy. We got to make sure that we 688 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,799 have retaining walls and the things to 689 00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:47,200 make sure that that street coming in is 690 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,360 going to be very pleasant to drive on. 691 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,600 Uh and I think he's come up with a 692 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,240 remarkable design. Uh I think staff has 693 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,480 liked it. Uh, and we've gone through a 694 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,320 few things and changes and red lines, 695 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,960 but I think we've got it. Uh, but again, 696 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:08,559 I I leave it to the engineers. Uh, I'm not an engineer, so I hold a lot of 697 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:10,880 uh confidence in the one that I have 698 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,440 here with with Guy Williams, uh, who 699 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,880 does specialize in hillside lots. Uh, 700 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,080 when I first got this property, it had a 701 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,320 van on it, a limo, and some things that 702 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,240 weren't very attractive. And that's what 703 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,159 you get with vacant land if it if it 704 00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:28,480 sits around long enough. But so I got 705 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,559 rid of that and uh and I got a few 706 00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:32,480 compliments for getting rid of it, which 707 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:38,000 uh was no problem. But but the uh 708 00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,240 when I first stepped on that property, I 709 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,159 was overwhelmed 710 00:29:42,159 --> 00:29:44,640 how beautiful it was, the view. I was 711 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,640 impressed with the golf course. Back in 712 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,880 Arizona, we build a golf course first 713 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,440 and then we build development around it. 714 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,960 In this case, the golf course is there 715 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,039 and it's done right. It's beautiful. And 716 00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:56,960 this hill sitting there in a perfect 717 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,760 spot with these incredible views. Now, I 718 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,320 understand Brett's concerned. He's got a 719 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,640 house that's going to be up above it. I 720 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,840 don't I mean, I would, you know, he's 721 00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:11,279 there first, but just because you get 722 00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:12,720 there first doesn't mean you get you're 723 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,960 the only one that gets it. You know, you 724 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,360 got you got to share a little bit. So, 725 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,200 but anyway, I have I have a lot of 726 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:20,799 confidence. I put a lot of money in this 727 00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:22,799 and I continue to put a lot of money in 728 00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:25,039 this because it's a it's a very valuable 729 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:29,039 piece of property with some great uh uh 730 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,640 amenities and and it it should just be a 731 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,159 fabulous project when we're done. You 732 00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:36,399 saw the type of homes that we expect. Uh 733 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:38,320 we we've built some of those homes on 734 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:40,480 more steep hills than that and you just 735 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,559 have to design. When I did created the guidelines for the builder, he's got 736 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:46,240 an envelope that he has to stay within 737 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:47,520 and he can't go outside of that 738 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,919 envelope. And each lot will when you're 739 00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:51,919 done grading it will have an envelope 740 00:30:51,919 --> 00:30:54,559 that will be buildable on that that will 741 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:57,360 definitely prove to last for years. But 742 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,640 um so I you know I've just got nothing 743 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,799 but compliments on on the land on the 744 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:06,240 staff and impressed with Pace in Utah. I 745 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,240 just told my my realtor today we were 746 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,240 out walking. I said, you know, I could 747 00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,600 live here very easily. This is this is the same weather I got in 748 00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:17,200 Arizona today. So, but anyway, so I've 749 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,480 enjoyed coming out here. Uh enjoyed 750 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,480 meeting a lot of a lot of good people 751 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,559 and uh and I think we got a viable 752 00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:25,919 project here and I think this I think 753 00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:29,520 it's going to be a real uh a real bonus 754 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,520 for the city of PAC to have a 755 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:32,799 development that's going to look like 756 00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,799 this. This is this is a this is 757 00:31:34,799 --> 00:31:37,039 definitely a high-end uh they're not 758 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,120 they're they're not cheap. the lots and 759 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,799 it's gonna it's and I've already I 760 00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:42,559 already have four reservations and 761 00:31:42,559 --> 00:31:44,799 that's we put the sign on the property 762 00:31:44,799 --> 00:31:46,320 just people going to the golf course. 763 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,960 I've got just riddled with phone calls. 764 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,480 I've got all kinds of builders 765 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,880 approaching me. So, it's it's it's a 766 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,840 pretty hot property and uh and I've 767 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,000 gotten to know uh Gary well and we work 768 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,159 we've been working uh close to make sure 769 00:32:00,159 --> 00:32:02,559 that his his main concern was the 770 00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:04,000 integrity of the property and what was 771 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,519 going to be built on it. That was his 772 00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:07,600 first my first meeting with him. That's 773 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,240 his first uh discussion with me and and 774 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:16,880 I have the same same desire and so and Riri uh good people Kevin and Kent 775 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,039 they were all for this and John Hatfield 776 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:20,799 loves what we're doing. So we have 777 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:22,799 really good support by our adjacent land 778 00:32:22,799 --> 00:32:26,640 owners and this uh and just just how I 779 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,200 ended up going this direction was I came 780 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,279 in with my piece which was nine acres in 781 00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,440 the middle. Well, that produced 10 homes 782 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,720 and it produc produced uh 10 homes like 783 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,640 track home and we've been you drive in 784 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,919 be all lined up and this and the city I 785 00:32:41,919 --> 00:32:44,080 think maybe it was Michael he said how 786 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,840 what's the chance of going and getting 787 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,000 that other land next door and let's make 788 00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,960 a really something special. So I and I 789 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:52,640 had not thought of that. So I went I 790 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:54,320 started meeting the guys and we put it 791 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,399 together and here we are. And I think 792 00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:58,480 it's too bad we couldn't get Mickelson. 793 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,200 Uh that's the five acres on the uh 794 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,000 >> on that southwest side 795 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,640 >> on that south side and I thought it was 796 00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,960 a better project with him in there. Uh 797 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:08,399 it would have been to do the whole 798 00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:09,919 hillside but he's going to come around. 799 00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:13,200 I mean I'm talking to him and we we kind 800 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,960 of designed it so if he does come along 801 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,360 we won't we won't ruin the integrity of 802 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,960 what we have designed. So but anyway I I 803 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,279 appreciate the time and all your efforts 804 00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,519 and and I appreciate the staff you have. 805 00:33:25,519 --> 00:33:27,120 So thank you. 806 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,519 >> Thank you. Anybody 807 00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:39,190 else? 808 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,120 Um Rob Haddock. I'm the mayor of 809 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,159 Elkidge. Um love the golf course. I live 810 00:33:44,159 --> 00:33:47,600 on the south or the Yeah. back up to the 811 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,159 bottom of it. Um so yeah, it it is 812 00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:55,840 beautiful. Um, the one concern I have is 813 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,760 I think there are state regulations that 814 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,640 say you can only go so far on a dead-end 815 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,840 street and only have so many residences 816 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,760 with just one in and out. Um, I know you 817 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,000 guys are familiar with the fire and 818 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:16,639 trying to evacuate wasn't fun and we've grown since then. Um, so that's one concern I have. I think 819 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:19,040 you're going to need another ingress or 820 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,359 egress um rather than uh just glad stand 821 00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:26,000 because there's there's probably a dozen 822 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,359 homes on that already and so yeah 823 00:34:29,359 --> 00:34:30,960 encourage you to look at at those 824 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,720 regulations 825 00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:36,079 and um yeah I think it'd be great to 826 00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:40,639 include a trail plan to get to connect 827 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:44,000 um these people to four bay trails. 828 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,359 something we've been trying to figure 829 00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:47,839 out for a long time. Um but yeah, during 830 00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:51,359 development be a great time to do it. 831 00:34:51,359 --> 00:34:54,480 Um other than that, just yeah, sewer and 832 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,200 water questions. Um you know, we're be 833 00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,440 connecting what you what you anticipate 834 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:02,640 and the needs and things. So um yeah, 835 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,800 happy to work with you through those 836 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,880 things, but those are just couple 837 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:08,000 thoughts I had. 838 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,520 >> Okay, thank Um and then the uh trailer 839 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,000 park connection would love to get that 840 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,599 paved. Um gravel and dust gets tracked 841 00:35:17,599 --> 00:35:20,079 onto our roads, 842 00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:21,839 you know, nine months out of the year. 843 00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:23,920 And we've we've talked it and retalked 844 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,800 it, but yeah, would love to work through 845 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,760 that also. But thank you for time. 846 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,320 >> Thank you. 847 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:40,150 Anybody else? 848 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:42,720 My name is Brett Campbell. I live on the 849 00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:44,640 ninth pole. So, I'm the furthest house 850 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,359 down. 851 00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:45,839 >> Okay. 852 00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:49,440 >> And I just wanted to talk about I know 853 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,280 some people in my city don't care about 854 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,920 the deer, but I do. And there's I've 855 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,440 watched them for five years and there's 856 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,880 groups of 40 deer that have their babies 857 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,280 in there that are in there every day 858 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,440 going to water. So, I'm afraid it's 859 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,040 going to break them up and probably make 860 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,359 more 861 00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:10,720 people coming at them or whatever 862 00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:12,800 they're doing to kill them to get them 863 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:13,920 out of there. But I think it's their 864 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,160 natural environment and I don't think 865 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,440 that we should I'm opposed to this. 866 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:20,320 >> Okay. Thank you. 867 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,200 >> Can't break up my view and and it is 868 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,000 steep. So, that's my take. 869 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:35,990 >> Thank you for your input. 870 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:38,800 Hey, I'm Charles Nun. I live at 2092 871 00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,880 East Gladstand. So, I'm the house on 872 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,280 that ridge closest to the golf course. 873 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,079 Um, I 874 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:47,359 I'm a little disappointed. I thought 875 00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:50,079 there'd be some fist fights, contention. 876 00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:52,480 I really thought I was coming to a be 877 00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,000 entertaining, but I'm also a little 878 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,440 disappointed. It feels like this thing 879 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,480 is very fluid and and I've not been to a 880 00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,599 meeting for something like this before, 881 00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:01,280 but I thought we would see like a final 882 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,520 presentation to be approved. So, I'm 883 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,800 surprised we're coming to 884 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,320 >> at this stage where it's just a zone 885 00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,400 change that concept only. 886 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,160 >> All right, then. I won't complain about 887 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,320 that. I have a couple concerns. I tried 888 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:14,160 to think about the the benefits of this. 889 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,320 Um really, I came up with a little bit 890 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,480 of tax revenue for the city. Maybe a 891 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:20,560 little increase in population base. 892 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,000 Obviously, if you start with the pros, 893 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,480 you're leaning con. So, I'll go to that. 894 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:26,720 Um, I am concerned about the steepness 895 00:37:26,720 --> 00:37:29,119 of that lot. When you walk down beside 896 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:31,760 it, uh, it's much steeper than it looks. 897 00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,160 The plat map, I think it's called a plat 898 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:35,359 map. Anyway, the picture on the 899 00:37:35,359 --> 00:37:37,839 advertisement is pretty deceptive. I 900 00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:39,760 don't think it's intentional, but it but 901 00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,440 it looks much flatter than it actually 902 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,200 is. Um, and I do think that's going to 903 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,240 be an issue. There are pedestrians on 904 00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:48,560 that roadway. It's not designed for 905 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,480 people to walk on it. You're going to 906 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,480 add 14 houses more of people that are 907 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,160 trying to walk on that pavement in the 908 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,440 evening. Um, you got golfers coming in 909 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,680 and out. They're late to tea times and 910 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,920 they're lit on the way home. I get to 911 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,480 watch the 14th hole from the back from 912 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,320 my back porch. We have a lot of fun 913 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,880 watching golf courts go off the sides, 914 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,880 watching people um, tripping, falling, 915 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,520 stumbling, and and I know and I see them 916 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,280 when they come out. There is no speed 917 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,599 enforcement on that street. 918 00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:19,200 you haven't had to deal with that as a 919 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,440 city yet because it's just a deadend 920 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:26,560 street. We're the only house that's in the city on that street. Um I 921 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:27,839 don't think anybody's ever raised a 922 00:38:27,839 --> 00:38:30,400 ruckus over it, but it is not uncommon 923 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,839 to have trucks going through there at 924 00:38:31,839 --> 00:38:34,320 50, 60, 65 miles an hour. It's a fun 925 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:40,240 hill to go up. I understand. But um it is dangerous. So I'm concerned. I got 926 00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:41,920 a little pup. He doesn't always do what 927 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,599 I tell him. He's going to get run over. 928 00:38:43,599 --> 00:38:45,119 We got pedestrians on the side of the 929 00:38:45,119 --> 00:38:47,680 road that that it is dangerous for when 930 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:48,880 I'm out walking in. There's a lot of 931 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,240 neighbors that come up that hill in the 932 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:52,720 evening. Um I don't know if you're going 933 00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:54,400 to try and add something to the side of 934 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,960 the road to make it safe. But as soon as 935 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,599 you add 14 more houses to that and 936 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:01,359 you've got 14 more families coming in 937 00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:03,760 and out and it is a beautiful area, 938 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:04,960 you're going to have families bringing 939 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,040 friends and other people up to it. It's 940 00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,320 definitely going to increase the traffic 941 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:09,839 on a road that I don't think's designed 942 00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:13,119 for it. It's not plowed in the winter. 943 00:39:13,119 --> 00:39:16,480 Um, if the Elkridge snowplow driver is 944 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,640 in a good mood and happens to come down 945 00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:20,160 the hill, we get that benefit. 946 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:21,839 Otherwise, we had to snowb blow that 947 00:39:21,839 --> 00:39:24,640 road twice this winter. Um, so you're 948 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:26,320 going to have to take on snow removal 949 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:27,920 all the way down during the winter, I 950 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,040 would assume. Um, and and I think 951 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,200 there's some expenses that that haven't 952 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:35,359 been thought about. My my biggest 953 00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:38,880 concern that I have personally is is the 954 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,400 traffic on the road, the speeding, the 955 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,119 DUIs that right now don't get dealt 956 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,359 with. Um, and it's fine. We're the only 957 00:39:45,359 --> 00:39:47,760 house. I mean, the Elkridge people deal 958 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,680 with it, right? As as people are coming 959 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,119 out, but we're the only house that you 960 00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:53,520 guys would have to deal with. If you add 961 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:57,520 another subdivision in there, it what 962 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,040 you're doing is inviting more people to 963 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,040 get hurt, I think, on that road. And so 964 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,800 at least take that into mind as you 965 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,599 consider this with the zoning. Um that 966 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,760 may not be your issue, but I would hope 967 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,640 you would consider that seriously. So I 968 00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,079 think that's all I have. Thanks. Thanks 969 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:12,480 for listening. 970 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:12,960 >> Thank you. 971 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:17,109 >> Yeah. 972 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:31,030 » Anybody else? 973 00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:34,240 Uh Marlon Wilcox. I live in Elkridge, 974 00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:37,359 but I own property in PAC. 975 00:40:37,359 --> 00:40:39,839 I've done development in Elkridge some 976 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:42,800 20 years ago. Um 977 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,400 everything I hear from the people that 978 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,560 are opposed, we heard it then. I walk my 979 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,119 dog on the property. 980 00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:54,880 Um you know, and it it just 981 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,119 kind of amazes me because I do own 982 00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,599 property in both cities. I would never 983 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,480 presume to come up and say, "I have my 984 00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,960 property, 985 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,800 but I don't want anybody else to be able 986 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,280 to use their property in a way that's 987 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,560 beneficial to them." And so when I hear 988 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,240 that, 989 00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:19,119 it's it I feel like that should not be 990 00:41:19,119 --> 00:41:23,440 something that is used to determine 991 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,119 yes or no in in regards to development. 992 00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:28,720 um 993 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,520 if the development doesn't work, but if 994 00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,599 you're able to engineer it in a way that 995 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:39,520 the engineers and uh the state and based on ordinances 996 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:43,760 and your ordinances and your um and 997 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:48,720 state, you know, laws, then that's what 998 00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:53,040 a development should be based on. And if 999 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,680 the zoning doesn't conform to what's 1000 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,800 already there in existing homes around 1001 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,359 it, that's also 1002 00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:03,440 this I I understand this is a zoning 1003 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,880 change. And I think that's a a big um 1004 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:10,000 issue is that if you've got a small 1005 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,599 portions of land that are right next to 1006 00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:21,200 existing lots that are in a zone and the the homes and the property and 1007 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,400 the landscape is similar. You should not 1008 00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:28,560 be having a separate zone in areas that 1009 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,040 are existing homes that have allowed 1010 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,640 others to benefit from their property. 1011 00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,280 And that's just my thoughts. Thank you. 1012 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,480 >> Thank you for your comments. 1013 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:46,470 Anybody else? 1014 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,319 No other comments from the public. I 1015 00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:49,599 need a motion to close the public 1016 00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:51,680 hearing. Make a motion to close the 1017 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,000 public hearing on the proposal from MH1 1018 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,160 to MH2. 1019 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,760 >> I need a second. 1020 00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,520 >> Second. 1021 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,520 >> I have a motion and a second. All in 1022 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,440 favor by Yes. 1023 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:04,000 >> Yes. 1024 00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,920 Any opposed? 1025 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,870 >> Okay. discussion commissioners. 1026 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,640 » I'm just clarifying then that based on 1027 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,640 what staff 1028 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,040 uh presented that based on the piece of 1029 00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,240 the parcel that was not indicated in the 1030 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:23,280 announcement or it was sent out to the 1031 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:28,640 public that we would need to hold and table this until the meeting on the 1032 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,000 8th before making 1033 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,280 >> what you were saying Michael is that we 1034 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,160 need to table it or do we act on this 1035 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,640 and then do it again. So, our legal 1036 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,599 counsel has said since that that parcel 1037 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:42,079 was excluded from the notice that he 1038 00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,880 would recommend we have a second public 1039 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,440 hearing just to be perfectly transparent 1040 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:48,240 that 1041 00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:51,200 >> all parcels involved. Um, that doesn't 1042 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:54,720 change staff's recommendation, but it it 1043 00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,160 may be advisable to 1044 00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:57,920 >> remember commissioners, this is a 1045 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,480 concept. So, if that's not included in 1046 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,240 the original, it doesn't change really 1047 00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:03,680 the concept. 1048 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:06,720 >> Yeah. I just I was reading lower on in 1049 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,960 there just as far as what because that 1050 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:13,599 was omitted that we wouldn't we wouldn't 1051 00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:16,079 in order to be fair in order to have it 1052 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:18,319 properly have a proper public hearing 1053 00:44:18,319 --> 00:44:22,079 that we would have to redo this on the 1054 00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:26,069 8th. 1055 00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:28,160 Is that correct, Michael? 1056 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,359 >> Well, legal counsel has said that we 1057 00:44:31,359 --> 00:44:33,599 should have another public hearing that 1058 00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:35,839 notifies about every possible 1059 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:37,200 >> and I I respect legal 1060 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,200 >> the age is the recommended date but it 1061 00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:40,480 would so 1062 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,200 >> okay I just want that clarification then 1063 00:44:43,200 --> 00:44:46,079 thank you it's the only question I had 1064 00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,079 >> so my only thought would be is is there 1065 00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,240 a way in the development agreement to 1066 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,160 protect a rideway so that at some point 1067 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,920 when that five acres there on the south 1068 00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:55,520 side gets included they could bring a 1069 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,920 road back out to where it wasn't just to 1070 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:00,240 a a culde-sac but 1071 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:02,319 >> well this this five acres that he's 1072 00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:04,160 talking about this right here. It's it 1073 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,200 fronts Gladstone, 1074 00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,599 >> right? And so once that gets somehow 1075 00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:08,640 developed, whether it's 10 years down 1076 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,920 the road or whatever, we could bring a 1077 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:11,280 road 1078 00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,440 >> out and make a loop instead of a 1079 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,280 >> culde-sac. But that would be my only 1080 00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,960 thought is to protect a rideway through 1081 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:18,160 there that 1082 00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,720 >> says, "Hey, at future development, then 1083 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:22,640 this would get tied in." So that 1084 00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,880 >> I think I mean that's obviously depends 1085 00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,440 on how lot layout and things would work, 1086 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,800 slopes. Um but the applicant did share 1087 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,119 with us a concept that actually looped 1088 00:45:33,119 --> 00:45:34,720 that as a road when they were 1089 00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:37,119 considering trying to acquire the 1090 00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:39,520 Mickelson property. So, I think 1091 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,920 conceptually that may work. Now, whether 1092 00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:46,319 or not it can work to actually 1093 00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:48,880 be put into an agreement and and then 1094 00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,760 done, I don't I don't know, but that could definitely be something that 1095 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,040 could be considered. 1096 00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:55,359 >> That's really my one kind of thought is 1097 00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:57,760 that we we keep that open so that at 1098 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,839 some point that can be tied in. I'm not 1099 00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:01,520 a huge fan of culde-sacs, but I also 1100 00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:03,200 realize there's constraints. 1101 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,280 >> What's our standard on culde-sac length? 1102 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,560 Just out of curiosity. 1103 00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,720 >> It's 10 units, I think, per Well, 1104 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:09,760 >> culde-sac, isn't it? 1105 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,359 >> Well, it's a distance and 10 units. 1106 00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:13,040 >> Yeah. 1107 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,359 >> Is it? 1108 00:46:15,359 --> 00:46:16,720 >> I'm going to defer that to the fire 1109 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:18,400 department that's not here. 1110 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,319 >> But I believe 1111 00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:22,400 >> I want to say it's 500 ft. 1112 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,160 >> Yeah. I was thinking 450 500 feetish was 1113 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:31,109 our was our 1114 00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:34,800 uh was our uh code. 1115 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,960 >> So our our code is yeah it's it's going 1116 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,240 to be base it bases it on the dead end 1117 00:46:40,240 --> 00:46:43,520 of of that street. So it would be it 1118 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,200 would base it from 1119 00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,200 >> uh Gladston to the end of this 1120 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,119 development. That's that's how fire code 1121 00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:52,240 is written. So 1122 00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:56,000 >> Commissioner Adams any comments? 1123 00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:58,160 Commissioner Brinkov? 1124 00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:59,520 No. 1125 00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:02,800 >> Are we ready to make a motion? 1126 00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,800 Remember, this is a recommend 1127 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:10,870 recommendation to city council. 1128 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,400 So, I would make a motion that we make a 1129 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,079 favorable recommendation to city council 1130 00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:18,319 for the zone change pending a additional 1131 00:47:18,319 --> 00:47:21,200 public hearing at a future date as well 1132 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:22,880 as that there would be a development 1133 00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:24,240 agreement in place. And as part of that 1134 00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:26,000 development agreement, we do address 1135 00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:28,319 possible access later from at the 1136 00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:29,599 culde-sac as additional development 1137 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:30,319 occurs. 1138 00:47:30,319 --> 00:47:31,599 >> I'll second that. 1139 00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,079 >> I have a motion in a second. Um, let's 1140 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,589 do 1141 00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,200 » Yes. 1142 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,630 you may. 1143 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,440 » But just with one 1144 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,839 change tonight and then making a 1145 00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:48,960 recommendation at the next. No, 1146 00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,720 >> we're making a recommendation for the 1147 00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:52,880 zone change tonight and then 1148 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,800 >> after another public hearing on the at 1149 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,319 the future date 1150 00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,240 >> or do we want to recommend tableabling 1151 00:47:58,240 --> 00:47:59,359 it? 1152 00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:02,800 >> I I would recommend that you table it 1153 00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:03,359 >> and just 1154 00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:05,520 >> and have the second public hearing. 1155 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:06,000 >> Okay. 1156 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,680 >> And then make your recommendation to the 1157 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,160 city council after it was properly 1158 00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,640 noticed and everyone's had an 1159 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:15,440 opportunity to respond to the request, 1160 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:18,560 including the additional parcel. Okay. 1161 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:20,800 So, and then the only other thing I was 1162 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,640 going to mention too is there was a lot 1163 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:24,800 of conversation tonight about 1164 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,520 subdivision related improvements. 1165 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,119 >> Um, which is common, 1166 00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:29,680 >> right? 1167 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,280 >> That happens all the time with zone 1168 00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:32,319 change. It does. 1169 00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:35,359 >> Just want to provide clarification that 1170 00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:39,520 yes, there is a concept layout with the 1171 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,960 >> That's all it is. 1172 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,520 >> Um, the subdivision has been approved. 1173 00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,400 Staff has is doing a review now. 1174 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,000 subdivision will be done at a staff 1175 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,319 level. So if there are any development 1176 00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:52,559 related concerns 1177 00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:55,280 um you would need to address those um at 1178 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:59,440 the zone change level. Um otherwise I 1179 00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:01,200 mean it's a separation of a legislative 1180 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,000 decision and an administrative decision. 1181 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:04,319 Right. 1182 00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:07,520 >> So just wanted to clarify that. Um I 1183 00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,599 think there's a lot of great um comments 1184 00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:11,280 that were made from the public and from 1185 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,760 the applicant tonight. Um all those 1186 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,920 things will be discussed with the 1187 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,400 subdivision or be uh reviewed with the 1188 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,800 subdivision. Uh but one that was 1189 00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,240 mentioned a couple of things that were 1190 00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,960 mentioned that could change 1191 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,720 um not necessarily the zone but could 1192 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:28,800 change the number of units. Um there was 1193 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,079 slope um slope analysis which I believe 1194 00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:33,680 that the applicant has done a lot of 1195 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,920 review into the slope but whether or not 1196 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,200 that's included as part of the 1197 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,400 subdivision application I'm not sure. Um 1198 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,559 the gross versus net um just 1199 00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:46,880 clarification on the zone um it is based 1200 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,680 on gross density in the MH1 zone and 1201 00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:51,680 that was by design. Okay. 1202 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,160 >> Um recommending noticing that there's a 1203 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,280 lot of slope that is in um or on the 1204 00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,960 hillsides. We want um development to 1205 00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,760 occur on the most appropriate portions 1206 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,920 of the property. 1207 00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,880 And so rather than say we just want 1208 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:10,559 somebody to come in and do mass grading 1209 00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,160 on a piece of property and completely 1210 00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:13,920 change the dynamics of the property like 1211 00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,760 everyone's mentioned tonight, we want to 1212 00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,960 protect the slopes, the vegetation, we 1213 00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:22,400 want to keep as much of that hillside um 1214 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:23,680 environment there, 1215 00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:24,240 >> right? 1216 00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:28,079 >> So to avoid mass grading um and somebody 1217 00:50:28,079 --> 00:50:30,160 completely changing, we do gross 1218 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,800 density. It's gross density one unit per 1219 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,440 acre density. So, if you have 14 acres 1220 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:36,720 like the applicant, right, 1221 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,800 >> you can have 14 lots. Doesn't mean that 1222 00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:40,880 you have to have one acre lots. It just 1223 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,680 means we're going to put 14 homes in the 1224 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:45,599 most appropriate location on the 1225 00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:46,160 property. 1226 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:46,640 >> Okay? 1227 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,160 >> Which the applicant has been working 1228 00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,400 towards. So, just anyway, where we're 1229 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,000 talking about zone change, we have the 1230 00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,359 public here, we have other communities 1231 00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:58,319 here. I just wanted to um mention that is very important to Pacin City is 1232 00:50:58,319 --> 00:51:00,720 making sure that we place the homes. Um, 1233 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:03,440 I did appreciate the applicant's um 1234 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,920 response to um that building envelopes. 1235 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,359 That's one thing that we will look at 1236 00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:11,760 with subdivision is you've got these 1237 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:13,920 lots, but we're going to have a building 1238 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,359 envelope of where the home can actually 1239 00:51:15,359 --> 00:51:18,240 be built on that lot. Anyway, so just 1240 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:19,760 couple of things on that, but it did 1241 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:20,960 want to make sure that the planning 1242 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,640 commission knew that when you're making 1243 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,960 that recommendation to the city council, 1244 00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:27,280 um the the subdivision, the review of 1245 00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,200 the subdivision and the implementation 1246 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:30,640 of those subdivision requirements would 1247 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,119 be done at a staff level. 1248 00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,680 >> Thank you. 1249 00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:36,960 >> Ryan, would you like to 1250 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,160 >> Yes, I will. 1251 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,119 >> So Jill Jill misspoke. The city has 1252 00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:41,920 >> additional moment. 1253 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,480 >> The city has accepted the subdivision 1254 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,720 application. It has it has not been 1255 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,119 approved. Sorry. Yes, I did misspeak 1256 00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:50,800 there. Yes. Sorry. So, thank you for 1257 00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,960 that clarification. Yes, we've accepted 1258 00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,559 >> the application 1259 00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:57,760 >> and it's under review, but 1260 00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,359 >> subdivision 1261 00:51:59,359 --> 00:52:02,640 changes before the subdivision. 1262 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:04,000 >> We typically like them to be run 1263 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,760 concurrently. 1264 00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,240 Um the subdivision is just lagging a 1265 00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:10,160 little bit behind the zone change 1266 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,839 because I I think if they were being run 1267 00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:13,440 concurrently, I think it would address a 1268 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:14,960 lot of the questions that were actually 1269 00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,359 raised tonight. Um you know, we would 1270 00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:20,640 have more response to the neighbors in 1271 00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,640 the area of how those things would be 1272 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,559 addressed. So anyway, yes, thank you, 1273 00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:25,920 Michael, for correcting me on that. 1274 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:27,599 >> I believe Ryan would like to withdraw 1275 00:52:27,599 --> 00:52:28,559 his motion. 1276 00:52:28,559 --> 00:52:29,920 >> Make a new motion then. 1277 00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,079 >> So So formally withdraw your motion. 1278 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:35,040 >> Yes, withdraw the previous motion. 1279 00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:35,359 So 1280 00:52:35,359 --> 00:52:37,119 >> happy, you're good with that? Did you 1281 00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:37,760 withdraw? 1282 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:39,040 >> Okay, good. 1283 00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,319 >> So then we'd like to make a motion that 1284 00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:42,079 we table this item until we can have an 1285 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:44,960 additional public hearing to address or 1286 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,480 make sure that the proper notices are 1287 00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:47,760 all in place. 1288 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:48,079 >> Okay, 1289 00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:49,359 >> I'll second that then. 1290 00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:51,599 >> I have a motion in a second. I'll Let's 1291 00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:53,920 uh go roll call. Commissioner Frisbee, 1292 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:54,640 >> yes. 1293 00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:57,119 >> Commissioner Beecher, yes. Commissioner 1294 00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:57,680 Adams, 1295 00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:58,640 >> yes. 1296 00:52:58,640 --> 00:52:59,920 >> Commissioner Brinkerhoff, 1297 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:00,559 >> yes. 1298 00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:01,839 >> And Commissioner Hey, 1299 00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:04,480 >> yes. Okay. So, we'll table this till 1300 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,480 probably April 8th. It sounds like 1301 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,839 >> that's what we're planning for. 1302 00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:10,480 >> Okay. And then we'll discuss it again 1303 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,079 and you're all welcome again. We'd love 1304 00:53:12,079 --> 00:53:15,520 to have you here. So, 1305 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:20,559 and you can bring up the same points. 1306 00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:22,480 Not necessarily. 1307 00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,760 So, 1308 00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,520 um, 1309 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,200 all right, let's go to, uh, staff 1310 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,559 reports. Anything from staff 1311 00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:37,440 before that you're here? 1312 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,119 There are some changes after the 1313 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:40,800 legislaturator's happened that we would 1314 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,599 be lovely, lovely time to share with you 1315 00:53:43,599 --> 00:53:45,599 those. We will bring that to you 1316 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:48,079 sometime in the near future. So, stay 1317 00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:48,400 tuned. 1318 00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:49,359 >> Some of them are just quite 1319 00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:51,680 entertaining, too. uh some of them uh 1320 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,680 have to do specifically with planning 1321 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,319 commission and composition and and uh 1322 00:53:56,319 --> 00:53:58,240 appointment and all that sort of stuff. 1323 00:53:58,240 --> 00:53:59,839 So, we will make sure to bring that to 1324 00:53:59,839 --> 00:54:02,079 you in the future. Um my guess is 1325 00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:04,800 probably in May after they they do a 1326 00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:08,400 legislative review um for all of the 1327 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,000 cities and towns and so we'll we'll 1328 00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,440 bring that to you then. 1329 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,480 >> That's all I have at this time. 1330 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,680 >> Any other staff? 1331 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,040 Commissioners, do you have anything 1332 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:24,630 you'd like to bring up? 1333 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,240 Okay. 1334 00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,640 Um, did you have something? 1335 00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:29,839 >> Nope. 1336 00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:31,920 >> All right. I need uh one more last 1337 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,200 motion. 1338 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,200 >> Move we adjourn. 1339 00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:35,839 >> Second. 1340 00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:37,520 >> I have a motion and a second. All in 1341 00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,160 favor with Yes. Yes. 1342 00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,000 >> Thank you all for coming. We appreciate 1343 00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,559 it. 1344 00:54:44,559 --> 00:54:48,720 >> It's really good to have somebody here.