[0:00] ahead and
[0:00] >> reporting in
[0:01] >> start this council meeting. Thank you
[0:03] for being here. It's PAC city council
[0:06] meeting for April 1st, 2026 and the time
[0:09] is 6:00.
[0:11] I'd like to start this uh meeting with
[0:14] prayer and uh council provos guard will
[0:17] uh do that for us.
[0:21] Our dear father in heaven, we come
[0:23] before you this evening grateful for the
[0:26] many blessings that we have as being
[0:27] citizens of PAC. We're grateful for the
[0:30] wonderful moisture that we've received
[0:33] and we are grateful that thou keeps us
[0:35] in mind as the events arise of drought.
[0:41] Would thou please continue to bless us,
[0:42] Father. Thou knowest our needs to
[0:44] sustain life and to to carry us forward.
[0:48] Help us this evening, Father, with the
[0:51] items that are on the agenda that we
[0:54] might address them in the proper way
[0:56] that would be of benefit to the entire citizenry of PAC. Help us make
[1:02] clear and good decisions on other events
[1:04] that come before us. be with our
[1:07] citizenries that has taken time to come
[1:10] here that they may have their questions
[1:12] that they might be able to leave the
[1:13] meeting feeling uplifted and that we are
[1:17] trying to do our best. We're grateful
[1:19] for the staff that we have. We ask that
[1:22] thou would continue to watch over and
[1:24] bless them. May we be an accident-free
[1:28] city with our employees that they may
[1:30] return home to their families each
[1:32] night. These favors and blessings we ask
[1:34] in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
[1:37] >> Amen.
[1:37] Thank you, Bob. We'll have David
[1:41] Rolley uh lead us in the pledge.
[1:50] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[1:54] United States of America and to the
[1:57] republic for which it stands, one nation
[2:00] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[2:03] justice for all.
[2:06] >> Thank you, David.
[2:09] Okay, we'll be moving on to see the cons
[2:12] consent agenda. Number one, approve of
[2:14] the uh March 18th, 2026 city council
[2:19] minutes. And number two, grand fondue
[2:22] event alcoholic beverage single event
[2:25] permit.
[2:26] >> I'll make a mot.
[2:28] >> Can I ask any discussion on these items?
[2:31] I'm ready for a motion.
[2:32] >> With with the grand fondo, have we ever
[2:34] granted this for this event before?
[2:36] >> We have.
[2:36] Okay.
[2:37] >> Yep.
[2:40] >> Right.
[2:41] Just can't imagine that that taste right
[2:44] after biking for several days. But to
[2:47] each their own, I guess.
[2:49] >> Yeah.
[2:51] Okay. Unless there's any further
[2:52] discussion, I'm ready for a motion.
[2:54] >> I'll make a motion that we approve the
[2:55] consent agenda.
[2:57] >> I'll second.
[2:58] >> Okay. We have a motion been seconded.
[2:59] Roll call vote. Starting with Council
[3:02] Smith.
[3:03] >> Yes.
[3:03] >> Council Hulk.
[3:05] >> Yes.
[3:05] >> Council Roelly.
[3:06] >> Yes.
[3:06] >> Council Moss.
[3:07] >> Yes.
[3:07] >> Council Provos.
[3:08] >> Yes.
[3:09] >> Okay. Motion carries. Thank you. Moving
[3:11] on to D petitions. Uh CTC Mayor's Youth
[3:14] Recognition Award, Shelby.
[3:31] » Yep.
[3:33] When I call your name, please come up
[3:34] and introduce yourself with your name,
[3:36] grade, and favorite spring activity.
[3:39] From Mount Nebo Middle School, we have
[3:41] Kinsley Johnson.
[3:52] » My name's Kinsley. I'm in seventh grade.
[3:54] And my favorite spring activity is uh
[3:58] probably gardening.
[4:04] You got to stand here with me.
[4:15] » Teachers have said Kinsley is absolutely
[4:18] amazing. She works hard, knows what she
[4:20] wants, and she does whatever needs to be
[4:22] done to get it. She's an outstanding
[4:24] student and peer. She is thoughtful in
[4:26] her learning and in her understanding of
[4:28] math concepts. She is able to articulate
[4:31] her understanding of math to her peers
[4:33] in a way that helps them understand as
[4:35] well. She is always striving to learn
[4:37] and grow. She is a warm and kind person
[4:40] and always willing to help. She was
[4:42] truly a bright light in our class. Great
[4:44] job, Kinsley.
[4:53] From Pacin Junior High, we have Hie
[4:55] Band.
[4:58] I hope I said your name.
[5:06] » My name's Hi Bland and I'm a a freshman
[5:09] and my favorite spring activity is
[5:11] probably playing basketball.
[5:17] Teachers have said Harie brings a calm,
[5:19] positive, and steady presence to facing
[5:21] junior high. She is someone others
[5:24] naturally look to and rely on. She is
[5:26] consistently she consistently shows up
[5:28] with kindness, responsibility, and
[5:30] respect in the classroom and beyond.
[5:33] Halley demonstrates a strong sense of
[5:35] responsibility and integrity. She treats
[5:38] both her peers and teachers with sincere
[5:40] respect, and she approaches challenges
[5:43] with quiet resilience. Halie's
[5:45] character, kindness, and example truly
[5:47] make a difference. Great job, Hie.
[5:57] I can be with the three suits.
[6:35] Okay. Uh moving on to number two. Uh,
[6:38] proclamation Arbor Day. Janine,
[6:42] do you want to say anything about it or
[6:44] do you just want to do it?
[6:49] Okay, we'll go ahead. Any discussion
[6:50] about Arbor Day proclamation council?
[6:52] Okay, wonderful. We'll just move on.
[6:54] Number three, Utah Recreation Parks and
[6:57] Parks Association award for outstanding
[6:59] special event of the year. Carl
[7:03] MueL, come on up.
[7:06] Thank you for being here. She was so
[7:08] excited. She was here a half hour early
[7:10] to present this.
[7:11] >> Muel, I can I was down to St. George. I
[7:13] can remember seeing you down there.
[7:14] >> That's right. I was there trying to
[7:16] hide. I don't love being in front of
[7:18] everybody, but um we sure appreciate Leo
[7:20] having us here at council meeting
[7:21] tonight. It's probably my favorite part
[7:23] of what we do is come and and talk about
[7:25] the awesome work that all of our
[7:26] communities are doing. So, um like you
[7:28] guys know, my name is Muel Christensen.
[7:29] I represent the Utah Recreation and
[7:31] Parks Association. We are association of
[7:33] about 2,000 members um with we reach
[7:36] from St. George to Logan. Um, and we are
[7:39] just full of parks and recreation
[7:40] professionals that are doing outstanding
[7:41] work. Um, and I think we almost every
[7:44] year get to visit with you guys because
[7:45] Pacin City does outstanding events and
[7:47] programs uh, and just has a great
[7:49] department. Um, this year we're really
[7:51] lucky because we get to award an event
[7:54] uh, for a special event that I think
[7:57] represents more than just parks and
[7:58] recreation. I think it really represents
[7:59] a whole community and a whole city. So,
[8:02] um it's the salmon supper and you you
[8:04] guys are very familiar with this event.
[8:06] Um over throughout the year we collect
[8:09] nominations for events and I think this
[8:11] year we had about 125 nominations. So,
[8:14] we're really excited that PAC was
[8:15] selected for this award. Um as we
[8:17] understand it and you guys are all
[8:19] probably very familiar with the uh
[8:21] salmon stuffer started in 1954. So, to
[8:23] have a 72-year run where it's bigger and
[8:25] stronger than ever is is quite
[8:27] impressive. So, um we just are really
[8:29] excited to celebrate that. Um, as you
[8:31] know, you guys, some of you are at St.
[8:32] George, but we know it takes a whole
[8:34] group of employees, volunteers, and
[8:36] partner organizations to pull off this
[8:37] event. Um, it starts with the mayor and
[8:40] council. So, thank you for your support,
[8:42] um, and supporting your parks and
[8:43] recreation department and community in
[8:45] this in this way. And we know you guys
[8:46] come and serve the food and help prepare
[8:48] and do all the things. Um, other groups
[8:51] that we know are involved. We know that
[8:52] the um, PAC Market and the school
[8:54] district put forth as partner
[8:56] organizations. Janine is an outstanding
[8:59] event coordinator. um Scott Spencer and
[9:01] the fire department, all of that crew.
[9:03] Um West Barney in the parks crew and so
[9:06] many volunteers. We know it's a
[9:08] community tradition. Families come out
[9:09] and help along with the football, the
[9:11] cheer teams and entertainers. So, we
[9:13] just really appreciate all those hands
[9:15] that make this possible. Um
[9:18] I think every year, at least the years
[9:20] that I've tried to come, it's been sold
[9:21] out. So, thanks for uh I do I'm married
[9:24] to a PAC resident or at one point was a
[9:26] PAC resident. So, one day we'll make it
[9:28] down here and get our tickets. But, um,
[9:30] this event truly supports the vision of
[9:32] community that URPA along with our
[9:34] national affiliate NRPA strive to share.
[9:36] So, thank you for setting the example
[9:37] for others and for creating memories and
[9:40] impacting your community. So, with that,
[9:42] I'll present this award to Carl and any
[9:44] of the team that's here. Janine and
[9:46] Scott, if you guys want to come up, too.
[9:48] >> Hi, the mayor.
[9:58] Let's have let's have everybody come.
[10:18] » Okay. One, two, three.
[10:41] Hey, thank you for coming tonight.
[10:46] » Mayor seen something that's older than
[10:48] you and I.
[10:48] >> Yes.
[10:50] just just two years.
[10:53] >> Yep.
[10:55] >> Maybe.
[11:01] » Okay, moving on. We'll go to number
[11:04] four. We'll open a public forum forum.
[11:07] Anybody can speak uh on something that's
[11:10] not on the agenda. I know there's some
[11:12] ladies that are very much excited to be
[11:14] part of the public forum. So, why don't
[11:16] we start with you ladies?
[11:34] I feel like I need to sit down. Um I'm
[11:37] Shalice Walker and this is Amber
[11:38] Woodland. We're the directors for Miss
[11:40] Pacin. Um we just had our competition on
[11:43] the 21st of March and we crowned our new
[11:45] royalty. Um we just wanted to thank Carl
[11:48] and Janine. We work closely with them
[11:50] and also the mayor and Ryan Rolley. He
[11:51] came in was a mock judge for us and has
[11:53] been really supportive. So thank you.
[11:57] this she um year it was decided to step
[11:59] away from the Miss Utah organization and
[12:01] so we appreciate the help of the mayor
[12:03] and Carl in creating our new contract
[12:05] that will benefit the residents of the
[12:07] city with more city oriented things for
[12:11] our our royalty. So we'd like to
[12:13] introduce the ladies. Our queen this
[12:14] year is Kylie Faucet.
[12:21] First attendant is Kora Clyde
[12:26] and second attendant is Tasa Jacobson.
[12:32] Kylie, do you want to tell them about
[12:33] your CSA?
[12:35] >> You bet. Let's do that.
[12:37] >> My community service initiative is the
[12:38] best friends movement where I plan to
[12:40] make sure that every single community
[12:42] member of PAC has the opportunity to
[12:44] create a best friend. I hope to have an
[12:46] emphasis on helping individuals with
[12:48] special needs in our community to feel
[12:49] included in our events in the community.
[12:52] Thank you.
[13:00] Hello guys. I'm so excited to serve PACE
[13:02] this next year with Kylie and Tasa and
[13:05] it's just been a great opportunity just
[13:07] to compete with them and I'm so so so
[13:09] excited. Thank you.
[13:14] Okay. Uh, Tasja and I'm love these two
[13:17] girls already so much. Being able to
[13:19] meet them and find out who they are and
[13:21] what they're passionate about,
[13:23] especially Kylie's been so exciting and
[13:24] I can't wait to serve the community by
[13:26] the her side.
[13:31] » Ladies, thank you for being willing to
[13:33] represent us and I know you will
[13:34] represent us very, very well.
[13:37] I always wonder if you could tell the
[13:38] picture.
[13:39] >> I was wondering if you could tell us
[13:40] before that what your talents were at
[13:42] your at the
[13:44] >> I sang and it was actually the first
[13:45] time I've ever sung in front of a crowd.
[13:47] So
[13:50] >> I danced and this was my first time
[13:52] dancing after about four years taking a
[13:54] break. So that was fun.
[13:56] >> I also danced. It was the first time I
[13:58] danced alone. So it was really cool. So
[14:00] >> we're all trying new things. Y pretty
[14:02] much.
[14:03] >> Let's get a picture with you. Okay.
[14:30] One, two, three.
[15:02] I I don't know.
[15:08] » Okay. Is there anyone else that would
[15:11] like to take advantage of our public
[15:13] forum?
[15:16] Not seeing anyone here. Is there anybody
[15:18] online? Okay, we'll move on uh from the
[15:22] public forum to staff reports. Any
[15:26] anybody from staff?
[15:30] Shelby,
[15:31] >> you won. That was a foot race.
[15:35] » I feel like usually I go last. So, um,
[15:39] so South County Cares, we offered a
[15:42] parenting class to parents. It started
[15:45] February 26th. Um, it's five weeks long
[15:49] and we just wrapped it up. We had
[15:54] four families that went all the way
[15:57] through and so they each family received
[16:00] a pass for a wreck activity of their
[16:04] choice and all the reviews were really
[16:08] great. Everyone said that they they feel
[16:11] like they are better ha better equipped
[16:14] to handle
[16:16] substance use and how to approach that
[16:19] in a way that
[16:21] encourages encourages their kids not to
[16:25] use substances.
[16:27] And
[16:28] um they all said they'd tell a friend
[16:31] and that they feel great. They there's a
[16:34] one of the classes the kids get to come
[16:35] and they all liked it too and they all
[16:38] are ready to teach their friends about
[16:40] refusal skills. So it was really great
[16:44] and we're excited to offer it again
[16:47] later in the year.
[16:49] >> Yep. Thank you Shelby.
[16:51] >> Also we have the
[16:53] National Drug Takeback Day happening on
[16:57] April 26th from 10 to 2 at Pace and
[17:00] Market.
[17:01] >> Awesome.
[17:03] Thank you,
[17:05] Shelby. Are we not going to have a kiosk
[17:07] in in here that day, too? Just pace to
[17:09] market or
[17:10] >> we'll keep all the all our permanent
[17:14] ones.
[17:14] >> Okay.
[17:16] >> Those are they're permanent. They'll
[17:18] always be there, but we have our
[17:21] takeback day initiative like our big
[17:24] event. It's twice a year and so that one
[17:27] is just
[17:28] >> Okay. At pace. Yeah. Thank you.
[17:31] Okay, Janine,
[17:40] » mayor and council, I just want to tell
[17:42] you about our pet 125 years. Was that
[17:46] 125?
[17:47] >> I have so many numbers in my head right
[17:49] now. Anyway, we celebrated that last
[17:51] week, two weeks ago. Oh my word. Anyway,
[17:54] mayor, thank you for coming and Dave
[17:57] also was there. It turned out really, nice. So, we did a video of the
[18:02] restoration of the petite knee, which a
[18:04] lot of people haven't seen. And then I
[18:06] was able to locate some old video of
[18:10] students when we celebrated 50 years.
[18:13] So, there was like D. Stevenson and um
[18:17] Greg Madson's dad. Anyway, it was quite
[18:20] a tearjerker because nobody knew about
[18:22] it. And so, out of all those interviews,
[18:25] there were like three family members.
[18:27] You know, those people have passed. So
[18:29] when you see your dad up on stage all of
[18:31] a sudden talking about school I it was
[18:34] very moving. I mean I could just hear
[18:35] the you know when you see somebody you
[18:38] haven't seen for a long time. Anyway the
[18:40] it ended up being just a beautiful
[18:42] evening and we just had light
[18:44] refreshments and people were able to
[18:46] come and see the restrooms and also take
[18:48] a tour at the museum. So it was super
[18:50] fun and thank you for your support.
[18:52] Mayor
[18:53] >> even got to see a a video of the the
[18:55] trains.
[18:56] >> Yes. Yeah. I had never seen that.
[18:59] >> Me either. Yeah. So Carlos, he's working
[19:02] on a film and so we just did a little
[19:05] snippet of what he's working on and that
[19:07] was because I've never seen the I've
[19:09] heard about the train. So he would do
[19:11] here and then pictures in San Quinn and
[19:14] Spanish Fork and Pac. Anyway, it was
[19:16] really neat too. It was a It was a
[19:19] special evening to remember our
[19:21] heritage. Um and today I'm here to talk
[19:24] about the Easter egg hunt. So, it's this
[19:26] Saturday. You guys are always welcome to
[19:29] come. It's up at Hillman Fields. Um, the
[19:32] other Easter eggs, Salem and Santa
[19:34] Quinn, are both at nine. So, that way
[19:36] the kids can do theirs and hurry and
[19:38] come to ours that's 10. So, we have
[19:41] hundreds of kids. So many kids. Anyway,
[19:45] so that's the way we like it. Humor. We
[19:47] like lots of community on both wherever
[19:50] we're at. So, anyway, super fun. Um, if
[19:53] you're running late by 10:02, don't come
[19:56] because it's already over.
[19:58] >> It's all over.
[19:59] >> So, yes, it's over by then. Anyway, we
[20:02] have lots of sponsors. We give one free
[20:04] bike away in each age group. And, uh, we
[20:07] have a total of 80 prizes this year,
[20:09] mayor, that they'll be able to get
[20:12] besides their Easter eggs. So, yeah. I
[20:15] always remind the families, don't cry
[20:16] when you only get three eggs. I mean,
[20:18] I'm I'm not supporting a family Easter
[20:21] egg hunt. This is just for fun. Make
[20:23] sure you do something else, too. Um,
[20:26] let's see. And then we have our Easter
[20:28] sunrise concert at the Petite Meat
[20:31] Museum. This is Sunday morning at 6:30
[20:34] in the morning. And so, please attend.
[20:37] Um, they've been working on this program
[20:39] for months. So, it's about a half hour,
[20:42] 40 minutes. So, um, I hope you'll
[20:45] attend. It's always very nice. So,
[20:48] >> just so everybody knows, I'll be uh uh
[20:52] council provost guard will do the
[20:54] opening uh council moss will do the
[20:58] opening prayer. I'll do do
[20:59] >> Oh, good. That's wonderful.
[21:01] >> Closing closing prayer.
[21:03] >> There you go. Thank you for your support
[21:05] on that. So, all right. Thank you and
[21:08] thanks for arbor days on the way. I'll
[21:10] talk about that next city council. So,
[21:13] thank you
[21:20] Um, mayor and council, I I'm here to
[21:24] publicly apologize for not getting to
[21:26] the petite 125th celebration. Sorry,
[21:30] Janine. I was in Florida.
[21:34] Uh but what we wanted to do as well
[21:37] >> um is uh recently uh David Rolley uh
[21:43] from the innovation center. Come on up
[21:45] David. Uh he
[21:48] got a film crew for our innovation
[21:50] center. I hope some of you have seen
[21:51] this already, but we wanted to show it
[21:53] today. Uh this is a video about uh the
[21:56] innovation center. Uh and hopefully this
[22:00] works. This is at the request of council
[22:02] member Hulet. Uh, we wanted to show this
[22:04] publicly to the community.
[22:07] >> Hello. It's my pleasure to introduce you
[22:09] to Pacin City's Business Innovation
[22:12] Center. With MTech's help, this is our
[22:15] new home for businessminded people.
[22:17] >> At MTech, we believe strong communities
[22:19] are built through education and
[22:21] collaboration. This partnership brings
[22:23] both of those elements together.
[22:25] >> We developed this center to have new and
[22:28] struggling businesses bring their ideas
[22:30] to life. If you have a dream of starting
[22:33] a new business or are just struggling to
[22:36] stay in business, this center is for
[22:38] you.
[22:38] >> For over 10 years, I've worked to
[22:40] recruit manufacturing companies to PAC.
[22:42] I responded to many RFIs, and we only
[22:46] had three site visits. That's when I
[22:48] realized something important. Our most
[22:51] successful businesses didn't move here.
[22:54] They started here in garages and home
[22:56] offices. After visiting several business
[22:59] resource centers across Utah, it became
[23:02] clear that we wanted more successful
[23:05] companies in PAC, we needed to build
[23:07] that support system here. So instead of
[23:10] waiting for businesses to come to PAC,
[23:12] we decide to grow them in PAC. With more
[23:15] than 300 homebased businesses in our
[23:18] city, the innovation center gives them a
[23:20] path to grow right here at home. Inside
[23:24] this center, you'll find workplaces,
[23:26] modern meeting rooms, and a professional
[23:28] recording studio, and access to advanced
[23:31] tools and equipment for you to use.
[23:34] We're bringing hands-on technical
[23:36] training and educational support
[23:37] directly to PAC. The innovation center
[23:40] connects students, entrepreneurs, and
[23:42] businesses, creating opportunities for
[23:44] people to grow right here at home. It
[23:46] became a true partnership. The city
[23:48] providing the space and tech providing
[23:51] the tools. Together we created a bridge
[23:53] between education and realworld business
[23:56] growth right here in PAC. Come get
[23:59] involved, take a workshop, start a
[24:01] project, join a training program, or
[24:03] just come explore. This space is for
[24:05] your growth and creativity. It empowers
[24:08] entrepreneurs to take the next step. It
[24:10] supports homebased businesses ready to
[24:13] scale and it creates opportunities for
[24:15] young people to build their future right
[24:17] here in their hometown. Bring your
[24:19] ideas. If you have a business you're
[24:22] trying to grow or one you've been
[24:24] thinking about starting, this space was
[24:27] built for you. Pac's brand is home to
[24:29] adventure. And that doesn't just mean
[24:31] outdoor recreation. It means home to
[24:33] adventure in business, home to adventure
[24:35] in education, home to opportunity. This
[24:38] center is an investment in our people.
[24:41] It strengthens our community and creates
[24:43] more opportunities for businesses to
[24:45] grow. We're proud to be part of this
[24:47] partnership and can't wait to see what
[24:49] you create here in PAC.
[24:58] » So, um I was just going to give David a
[25:00] chance to maybe give a little bit of
[25:02] update on what's happening over there.
[25:06] Um, lots of good things have been
[25:08] happening lately. We, uh, we're
[25:11] threearters of the way full. We have
[25:13] three major companies, three companies
[25:15] in there that are starting, uh, and
[25:17] they're going very strong right now. So,
[25:19] we've got three of our offices filled.
[25:21] We've got a lot of people coming in and
[25:23] using the center throughout the days
[25:24] now. Uh, we had three or four people
[25:27] come through today wanting to do
[25:29] different things. Uh I don't think a day
[25:31] goes by that I don't give somebody else
[25:33] a new tour that's coming in to see what
[25:35] it's like and how it how it can help
[25:38] them. Um so it's been it's been
[25:40] wonderful. Uh we started recording
[25:42] additional videos today uh that will
[25:45] show how to use each piece of the
[25:47] equipment that's in there. So not only
[25:48] do you have the directions right by each
[25:51] piece, but we're going to have a video
[25:52] that will show you a walkthrough on how
[25:55] to use everything that we have. So it
[25:57] was a lot of fun. We uh we have some
[25:59] great tools over there. We have some
[26:01] great things that are going on. Um and
[26:04] it's it's a great resource for the
[26:06] businesses here in PAC. And at least the
[26:09] three that are in there now have goals
[26:10] to be out of there by the end of the
[26:12] year into another facility here in the city.
[26:17] >> So,
[26:18] >> thank you, David. Appreciate all your
[26:20] efforts. Yeah, the vision and capability
[26:22] not only of of David uh but of of the
[26:25] collaboration between MTech and the Pace
[26:27] Innovation Center is going to catapult
[26:29] businesses uh into the future right here
[26:31] from Pace. And I'm so impressed with
[26:32] that center. David, thank you for all of
[26:34] your work you're doing there, too.
[26:35] You've really took this and hit the
[26:37] ground running with it and it's already
[26:38] filling up and gathering steam. Uh,
[26:40] every time I walk in that building,
[26:42] particularly the patient innovation
[26:43] center site, I'm so impressed and
[26:45] grateful we have that right here in Pace
[26:46] and it's small businesses are the crux
[26:48] of our our country and our community and
[26:50] we get to start a few more here in PAC.
[26:52] So, I'm really excited about that.
[26:55] >> Really a game changer for for our city
[26:57] in a positive way.
[27:05] Mayor, councel, uh, this is usually
[27:08] Travis, but water update, we are at 77%
[27:12] of precipitation. Not too bad. We'll
[27:15] probably bump up because I don't think
[27:16] it recorded today's storm, all of it.
[27:19] But it was a good rainstorm. Uh, as all
[27:21] of you know, we're we're our goal is to
[27:24] energize the pressurized irrigation
[27:27] system on the 13th. There was there is
[27:30] and was a little bit of push to open it
[27:32] up on Monday. U I've been working with
[27:34] Highline Canal. We we can't uh sustain
[27:38] um
[27:40] the whole service citywide without
[27:42] Highline. And so they have a board
[27:44] meeting tomorrow night. They'll they'll
[27:46] definitively make the decision of when
[27:48] to turn the the water out. So it could
[27:51] be later, but I think in discussions
[27:53] they they thought the 13th would be a
[27:55] good day.
[27:56] So, just so you know, we're we're
[27:58] working toward that. Uh,
[28:01] but we could use more storms like this
[28:03] and get us uh if we can get up to the,
[28:06] you know, in the 80s, close to 90% of of
[28:09] normal precipitation, that would be
[28:11] great. And hopefully we have a good uh
[28:13] wet April. Started out good April 1. So,
[28:17] um, if you have any questions, I know
[28:18] we've been talking about the notice. We
[28:20] want to get the notice out tomorrow. We
[28:22] might wait until Friday to find out
[28:24] exactly what Highline decides to do. I
[28:27] think they were pretty set on the 13th,
[28:29] but with as much rain as we got, they could push it back a little bit
[28:32] more. So, um we'll probably wait on that
[28:35] and see what their decision is. Uh they
[28:37] meet uh tomorrow night. Thank you.
[28:40] >> Thank you.
[28:40] Dave.
[28:43] >> Okay.
[28:44] Coun, any other staff before I move on?
[28:49] Okay, we'll go on to uh council report
[28:52] starting with council provos.
[28:54] >> Thanks, mayor. Uh I just wanted to in
[28:58] January I brought up the salmon supper
[29:00] with the idea of going two nights. We're now into the 1 of April. Have we
[29:07] had any discussions? It was kind of
[29:10] great that we got the award tonight for
[29:12] the salmon supper, but I continue to get
[29:16] some questions uh regarding what I
[29:19] campaigned on that I would seriously
[29:21] look into a second night for there are a
[29:24] lot of pacing citizens that does not get
[29:27] the opportunity. The tickets are gobbled
[29:29] up so quick. Uh, unless you know how to
[29:32] speed dial quicker than I. Uh, yeah,
[29:35] >> that's the only reason I ran to be back
[29:36] on council is so I get a silent supper
[29:38] ticket.
[29:40] >> Just a little bit of background and and
[29:41] I know you know this, we opened it up
[29:44] for the last three years, we've opened
[29:45] it up to city residents first.
[29:48] >> We had planned for three full days to do
[29:50] that. This and we have done that before,
[29:53] but for whatever reason this last year,
[29:55] we had to stop at half a day into those
[29:57] three days because we sold 2,000
[29:59] tickets.
[30:01] So we have we understand there is a lot
[30:03] of interest. So
[30:05] >> so we have uh begun looking into that.
[30:08] Um
[30:10] one of our partners pacing market is
[30:12] out. They said there's no way they could
[30:14] pull that off. Uh logistically too
[30:16] looking at from the from the
[30:18] cheerleaders cleaning the potatoes and
[30:21] then getting them to cook the next day.
[30:22] Would obviously have to have another
[30:23] group doing that. The day we're cooking
[30:26] the dinner. They'd have to be cleaning
[30:28] those potatoes and preparing the klesaw
[30:30] for the next day as well. But that main
[30:32] partner with the baking of all the
[30:34] potatoes, the cookies and the rolls are
[30:36] out. Uh the corn felt overwhelmed, but I
[30:39] don't know if they were a yes or a no.
[30:41] >> I spoke to him.
[30:42] >> Yes,
[30:42] >> he's a go.
[30:43] >> Carl's a go.
[30:44] >> And um
[30:47] >> and listen, Carl
[30:48] >> firemen said if they can get enough
[30:50] volunteers or other groups to do it, but
[30:52] we haven't we haven't got that. But
[30:55] >> well, as as I laid it out before, my
[30:58] first thought is we don't have to to
[31:00] serve as many that
[31:01] >> right the first night as the second
[31:03] night,
[31:03] >> right? We would definitely were to do
[31:05] that.
[31:05] >> You know, increase decrease the first
[31:07] night carry over and increase maybe a
[31:10] thousand tickets. I I don't have an
[31:12] answer and maybe we need a year to
[31:14] solidify all
[31:15] >> think about Yeah. how we can do. But as
[31:17] I've I've looked at the labor that we
[31:18] need, the cheerleaders, the the football
[31:20] team, uh you got to real you got to
[31:23] remember even though they've got a
[31:24] different city name, half of PAC goes to
[31:27] Salem Hills High School,
[31:28] >> right?
[31:29] >> My half a town is Salem Hills High
[31:31] School. And so
[31:32] >> going there. So we could potentially go
[31:33] to other teams.
[31:35] >> The volunteer resources are out there.
[31:37] And I think the citizenry particularly
[31:40] as we continue to grow uh we want we
[31:44] want our residents as much as the out of
[31:46] town dollars to come and participate in
[31:48] that.
[31:49] >> Sure. And that's why we've done half the
[31:51] tickets local. Obviously any local could
[31:54] buy it for their cousin or brother or
[31:55] friend and we all know that happens,
[31:57] >> right?
[31:58] >> And uh we've also limited the amount of
[32:00] tickets they can buy. Uh so that way
[32:02] somebody can't come in and buy a hundred
[32:03] of them. Yep.
[32:04] >> Do you remember the limit?
[32:05] >> What's the limit? 10. It was 10.
[32:07] >> Um, and then, um,
[32:12] I mean, for me, I'm it's overwhelming
[32:14] enough and stressful enough. There is
[32:16] there if there's a will, there's a way.
[32:18] And I know that's it's possible.
[32:20] Something's possible um to do.
[32:22] >> What time do we start? Uh, 4:00 or
[32:26] >> serving at 4?
[32:28] >> Have you ever looked at maybe doing it
[32:29] earlier and just making that day longer
[32:31] instead of doing two different days and releasing?
[32:34] >> Lots of potential, too.
[32:35] Just a little history.
[32:36] >> Fire department.
[32:37] >> Well, and that's why where other
[32:39] departments come in. I can see Chief
[32:41] laughing. He's laughing because they're
[32:43] dead tired, right? I mean, it's a lot.
[32:45] Serve some of the firemen as fish.
[32:47] >> So, yeah, we'd have to be baking them.
[32:48] So,
[32:49] >> they'd be well done.
[32:50] >> Obviously, we're starting fires around
[32:52] noon, uh, between noon and 1 to get the
[32:55] coals ready. That would all move up an
[32:57] hour. So, we we have we were serving
[32:59] around 3,000 people consistently for a
[33:02] while. We continued to move that up and
[33:04] we got up one year even up to 5,000.
[33:07] Right around 5,000.
[33:08] >> Wow.
[33:09] >> And
[33:10] >> Wow. Yeah.
[33:11] >> And that was the reality.
[33:13] >> When COVID hit, we dropped to 3,000 and
[33:16] we said, "Oh my goodness, this is a walk
[33:18] in the park." I'm, you know,
[33:21] >> for a whole week,
[33:22] >> right, of work. Um, and so then we we
[33:27] went to and we we really met with Chief
[33:29] Spencer and we said, "How many fish can
[33:31] we can we logistically cook?" And we
[33:33] know what we can do. 550 fish an hour
[33:36] without doubling the amount of fire pits
[33:38] because there is a way, right? We could
[33:40] double the amount of fire pits, double
[33:42] the amount of volunteers there at the
[33:44] same time and and do that. Um, if we
[33:47] bumped it up to 5,000 instead of 4 uh200
[33:51] to 4,500, we'll sell out. If we bump it
[33:54] up to 7,000, we'll sell out. Chances
[33:57] are, if we bump it up to 8,000, we'll
[33:59] sell out. There'll still be people
[34:01] missing the tickets.
[34:03] >> Yeah. Listen, could we do this?
[34:05] >> It's not my vote, but I just know it's a
[34:07] lot of work on the parks crew. That's a
[34:11] day on the parks crew, if not longer,
[34:13] and then doing it again the next day.
[34:15] It's a lot. It's a lot. It's a big ask,
[34:17] but it's something maybe we can
[34:19] >> So maybe maybe we take this year and we really do our homework,
[34:24] >> okay,
[34:24] >> and determine what kind of labor, what
[34:26] kind of resources that we can. Once
[34:28] again, this is for the citizens,
[34:30] >> right? 100%. And they're also
[34:32] >> participating. They're the ones doing
[34:34] it,
[34:34] >> huh?
[34:35] >> Well,
[34:36] >> right.
[34:37] >> Well, I think
[34:38] >> but we want them dollars to come, too.
[34:40] >> I think it's, you know, it's important.
[34:41] And I love the idea that we've opened it
[34:42] up to just residents and maybe we just
[34:44] need to uh help educate residents a
[34:46] little more on how to access those
[34:48] tickets. I know it's sold out fast, but
[34:50] uh maybe we even cut that number down to
[34:53] but the the the harsh reality too of
[34:56] last year uh with with Matt and Ann and
[34:58] I. Whoa, there was a lot of fish left
[35:00] over after. I know we sold all the
[35:02] tickets, but I don't know who didn't
[35:04] show up because wow, we had a lot of
[35:05] fish at the end. And last year was was
[35:07] an amazing year that in the beginning I
[35:10] mean yeah we were stacking it was like
[35:11] this is interesting. So yeah
[35:13] >> and two years earlier
[35:15] >> we had to buy fish
[35:16] >> right
[35:16] >> on the on the at Smith it's hard
[35:19] >> to get us through the rest of the night.
[35:20] >> I think probably the best thing we could
[35:22] do where we've started we're not going
[35:23] to solve that this issue tonight. Let's
[35:26] take a year to study it. do do the the
[35:29] salmon supper the normal way this year,
[35:31] but in the meantime, let's study it and
[35:33] see if that's something that is
[35:34] physically and financially doable.
[35:36] >> I'd also I'd also like to see um because
[35:40] the football teams and the cheerleaders
[35:41] are always asked to do so much and they
[35:44] don't get anything.
[35:46] >> Um I'd like to see them get some salmon,
[35:48] too.
[35:48] >> Every dog, they get money. They get
[35:50] money.
[35:50] >> They get money. But I mean they
[35:52] >> personally I mean
[35:53] >> even the little dad come get money for
[35:55] bacon the potatoes
[35:56] >> but I'd like I'd like to see them get
[35:58] some fish a little
[35:59] >> and I think that's something we look at
[36:01] over the the year for us.
[36:02] >> They had some last year that's for sure.
[36:04] >> Yes they did.
[36:05] >> And typically every year we do buy we
[36:07] over buy on purpose and then we
[36:09] typically sell that extra 600 to a,000
[36:12] pounds at the end
[36:13] >> every year. That's correct. um
[36:15] >> when we had to go buy it at Smith and
[36:17] Cost about year to order more, but we
[36:21] knew we had enough,
[36:22] >> right?
[36:22] >> Yeah.
[36:23] Last year seemed like
[36:24] >> but we sell a lot of that after the
[36:26] fact.
[36:26] >> We could do a salmon supper and a fish
[36:29] stick feast.
[36:31] So, so one thing I look at this a little
[36:33] bit uh for at least from economic
[36:35] development standpoint is that uh if we
[36:38] get people I mean if we just have it for
[36:40] our citizens that's great but then we
[36:42] aren't bringing people in to spend money
[36:44] here but to me we have great volunteers
[36:47] but why can't we pay some people to do
[36:49] this too just so we can have the event
[36:51] and that we don't have to rely totally
[36:53] on volunteers but let's bring you know
[36:55] find people we can pay them to do some
[36:57] of this work. Well, that's something we
[36:59] can study over that.
[37:00] >> We can put a pencil to what we're doing
[37:02] as employees, what the volunteers are
[37:04] doing to see those number of hours for
[37:06] the one day, what it would take to
[37:07] duplicate and then potential pay. There
[37:09] was a hand raised online. Donna
[37:11] >> Donna has her hand.
[37:12] >> Donna, go ahead.
[37:17] » If it's still raised,
[37:19] >> sorry, no, that was just uh Dale has
[37:21] provided us with touchcreens which have
[37:23] us a downside. Sorry.
[37:27] >> Okay. I think the general consensus is
[37:29] that we want to go ahead and study this
[37:30] the year, do this one this year and then
[37:32] study it uh for next year. So,
[37:35] >> I'm I'm good with that. Sounds
[37:36] >> okay.
[37:36] >> It might just be a harsh reality. The
[37:38] salmon supper is a hot event that
[37:39] everybody loves and I we can't get
[37:41] everybody in, too. So, that's just
[37:43] >> we're never going to get everybody in.
[37:44] >> Yep.
[37:46] >> And we already know and he did mention
[37:47] charging. We we have the uh flexible
[37:50] charge that uh Councilman Progard passed
[37:53] a number of years ago when he was on
[37:54] that we can go up to $25. It's still a
[37:57] steal, right? We're we're we make some
[38:00] money occasionally that will go back
[38:02] into the park, but yeah, it's it's
[38:04] basically nice dinner for a great price.
[38:08] We could double the price um
[38:11] >> and still sell out most likely.
[38:13] >> So, the football teams and the
[38:14] cheerleaders get money for their team.
[38:16] Yeah. Yeah. We donate to them. Uh we
[38:19] also trade a pool day with the football
[38:21] team. Um Yeah. And they come down in the
[38:23] morning. They're down at 8 in the
[38:24] morning setting up tables. Then they
[38:26] come back in the evening and serve and
[38:28] clean up. And then they come back at
[38:30] 9:30 and take down the tables and
[38:31] chairs.
[38:32] >> Okay. Nice.
[38:34] >> Okay.
[38:36] >> Um I I just wanted to carry on the water
[38:38] discussion just a little bit more if I
[38:40] could, Mayor.
[38:40] >> Well, then what I'm what I need to do is
[38:42] I need to excuse myself because I need
[38:44] to I've got got to be up the high
[38:46] school.
[38:47] >> I'm sorry.
[38:47] >> It's okay. You've got some stuff.
[38:49] >> I'm the first council member. You still
[38:51] got four more.
[38:52] >> I know. So I I I need I've been asked to
[38:55] say the opening prayer at the lamb of
[38:57] God of the high school. So I I need to leave since I'm talking to you right
[39:01] now. Would you be mayor proame? Is
[39:03] anybody like to make a motion for that?
[39:07] >> What would you say?
[39:08] >> Mayor Bob,
[39:10] >> I'll make a motion that we appoint
[39:11] Councilman Progard as mayor pro Tim.
[39:14] >> I'll second.
[39:15] >> Okay. All in favor?
[39:16] >> I
[39:17] >> Thank you.
[39:17] No.
[39:19] >> Well, excuse the mayor for uh a
[39:22] commitment at the city, the high school,
[39:24] right?
[39:24] >> Yes.
[39:25] >> The only thing I want to say about the
[39:27] water is I' I've sat here since the
[39:31] early 90s off and on as a council member
[39:34] and we have always had the same issues
[39:36] of water whether we are at 15,000 uh
[39:40] citizens
[39:41] bulging at 25 to 30,000 now. We've
[39:45] always had issues with water as well as
[39:47] any other community.
[39:50] The comfort level that I have is we've
[39:52] always leaned on our staff and the
[39:53] professionals that monitor where the
[39:56] water's coming from and what water we
[39:58] have available to make the decisions.
[40:01] And I truly appreciate those that are
[40:03] watching closely uh with the water
[40:05] updates and where we're at with the
[40:07] reservoirs right now.
[40:09] Historically in the past, we can't hold
[40:12] water in the two smaller reservoirs
[40:15] very long. They leak out. So, we either
[40:18] use it or lose it and it permeates into
[40:21] the ground and it comes out somewhere,
[40:22] but I don't know where. Maybe down at
[40:24] the West Mountain because it doesn't
[40:27] come here. So, I as a council member, I
[40:31] appreciate staff and I would take your
[40:33] professional suggestions on when we
[40:37] ration, when we need to start the water
[40:40] as we have in the past. And that's my
[40:43] thoughts.
[40:45] Okay. The last thing I had is I've spent
[40:48] a couple days out at the solid waste.
[40:50] Um, and I want you to know, Dave,
[40:53] Robert, if you'd let them know out there
[40:56] how much we appreciate them. We seem to
[40:58] have a seagull issue right now. Holy
[41:01] crud. Uh, I I think I was going to get
[41:04] carried away like Toto uh the other day.
[41:08] >> The birds
[41:08] >> and and they're covering as quickly as the big trucks, the commercial trucks
[41:13] come in. But the the seagulls are just a
[41:15] horrible problem. And I know we're at
[41:17] the top of the pit right now getting
[41:18] ready to change over a little bit, but
[41:21] what a great job they're doing. The
[41:24] there's a ton of people in and out of
[41:26] there, but they're pushing and clearing
[41:28] and cleaning things. The the place looks
[41:30] awesome. It looks very professional.
[41:32] Would you pass that on to him? Also, the
[41:35] other day I observed uh one of the
[41:38] garbage pickup trucks. Uh he was uh
[41:42] picking up garbage and he accidentally
[41:44] reached his arm out and knocked the can
[41:46] over before he got it grabbed. He took
[41:48] the time to get out of his truck, go
[41:51] over, pick all the garbage back up and
[41:52] put in the can
[41:54] and then and then dump it. Uh that
[41:58] that's going the extra mile. Uh I've I
[42:01] come from a place in Australia that they
[42:04] dump the garbage cans over. Guess what?
[42:07] either the birds or the homeless people
[42:10] flock to it. But we live in a community
[42:13] that we've actually got employees that
[42:15] take pride. And so Dave, if you'd pass
[42:17] that on to our solid waste department,
[42:19] I'd sure appreciate it. Council Moss.
[42:23] >> Okay. Um I don't have very much to say,
[42:26] but and I'd like um everyone to take a
[42:30] drive up uh 9:30 towards the temple and
[42:33] see the progress in the new landscaping.
[42:35] It's coming along. It's going to be
[42:37] great. Um I think we're putting in some
[42:39] benches eventually. I think they just
[42:40] poured some concrete pads for those and
[42:43] um they're doing a great job. It's going
[42:45] to it's going to really add to the
[42:48] beauty of our of our city, especially on
[42:52] that road to one of our main attractions
[42:54] and in our city. Um also,
[42:59] uh we have our quarterly library board
[43:02] meeting tomorrow. It's open to the
[43:03] public. Um, it's at 7 o'clock, I
[43:07] believe. Donna's on. It's at 7, right,
[43:09] Donna?
[43:11] >> Yes, it's at 7 at the library upstairs.
[43:14] >> The library upstairs. Um, if you didn't
[43:16] know that there was an upstairs to the
[43:18] library.
[43:20] Um, you go into the children's side and
[43:23] there's a door and you go up the stairs.
[43:25] Um,
[43:27] and as always, thank you to all of our
[43:29] staff and and our police and our fire
[43:32] department and everyone that works
[43:33] really hard to keep our our city running
[43:35] really well. And um, I really really
[43:39] appreciate them. And that's all I've
[43:41] got.
[43:42] >> Council Ro,
[43:43] >> thank you. I am so grateful for this
[43:46] rainstorm that came just in time. What a
[43:48] blessing really. And uh yeah, with my
[43:50] thoughts on on the water, I I do share
[43:52] with Bob, but I also realize the the
[43:55] idea of the use it or m lose it mindset
[43:57] in Utah is broken and does need to
[44:00] change. Uh we we are truly skating on on
[44:04] reservoirs capacity from last year and
[44:07] hopefully the water will refill this
[44:09] winter. Uh but I think it's it's always
[44:11] better to to air on the side of of
[44:13] conservation and pushing that. I hope we
[44:15] push it back as far as we can. uh
[44:17] because I know we're just so desperate
[44:19] for our lawns and everything, but come
[44:20] July and August, uh I I hope we're not
[44:23] in a in a scramble and I hope we have
[44:25] good snowpack this year. And if we don't
[44:27] have capacity to hold or store without
[44:29] leaking, maybe that's something uh that
[44:31] we should invest in and fix and change
[44:33] because water truly uh more and more in
[44:35] Utah is becoming our most precious
[44:37] resource. And I'm so grateful PAC does
[44:39] have uh the shares and the rights and
[44:41] the capacity that we do, but that only
[44:43] exists on paper as long as we have
[44:45] snowpack and capacity in the reservoirs.
[44:47] I've been participating with the
[44:49] planning commission interviews. I want
[44:50] to thank Jill and and the mayor for for
[44:53] the wonderful time I've been able to
[44:55] spend with them and also the the good
[44:56] applicants that throw their hats in the
[44:58] ring uh to come and volunteer and serve
[45:01] and pace and that's what makes our city
[45:02] so great. I I I agree with the sentiment
[45:05] of Bob that people around here go the
[45:06] extra mile.
[45:08] uh thankful for the ribbon cutings we've
[45:09] been able to attend with uh went with
[45:11] Bob and Ann and the mayor to the ribbon
[45:13] cutting the movie theater that was
[45:14] spectacular. I'm so glad to see that that outside company that came in
[45:19] shares so many of our values and also
[45:21] has plans to keep that movie theater
[45:23] sustainable into the future and leaning
[45:25] on more things than just besides uh
[45:27] movies. And uh last week my family and I
[45:30] we went and hiked up Forbay and what a wonderful thing that was. my my
[45:35] kids and I and my wife, we spent two
[45:36] hours and hiked up to the top and then back down. The trails looked
[45:40] great. Uh the signage was wonderful and
[45:43] uh what a gem that is. And I I thank
[45:45] again the staff and this council for uh
[45:48] for passing that that conservation
[45:50] easement to protect that green space.
[45:52] But I I am so grateful for uh for Pace
[45:55] and I'm thankful to serve with each of
[45:57] you and for the staff. Thank you for
[45:58] everything you're teaching me. And
[45:59] that's all I have.
[46:01] >> Thanks, Ryan. Maybe I just before Brian,
[46:05] we've we've tried to maintain those
[46:07] smaller reservoirs. The problem that we
[46:10] have, we we line them again with
[46:11] bentonite from our landfill and then the
[46:14] cows when we do dry out, the cows get in
[46:17] and punch holes through the bentonite
[46:20] and we leak back out again. Uh, and we
[46:24] have no say in the cattle, right? We
[46:25] have no say in being able to fence. We
[46:27] looked at trying to fence Pete Winward
[46:30] and the reservoirs and the Forest
[46:33] Service won't let us do that. So, I I
[46:36] don't have an answer on how we can hold
[46:37] it longer. We've tried as best we can. I
[46:41] don't know how many times, Dave, we've relined those reservoirs uh in my
[46:46] lifetime. Uh we even put in a new valve
[46:48] in the one. Uh I went up with staff and
[46:51] helped put that in in the in the 90s and
[46:54] that that held a lot of water because we
[46:56] wasn't able to shut it completely off.
[46:58] But I do think we need to look at trying
[47:00] to retain longer if we can and and hold
[47:03] it longer.
[47:05] Council Brian.
[47:07] >> Yes. Just a few things quickly here. Um
[47:10] just at my house, I got 1.5 inches of
[47:12] rain since last night. So that's that's
[47:15] great. that helps a lot. Um about the
[47:19] business innovation centers, like we we
[47:21] saw the video going great, but they had
[47:23] a marketing 101 workshop there last week
[47:27] and there was like four over 40 people
[47:29] attended that. So, we're getting people
[47:31] knowing about it and wanting to come and
[47:33] learn. So, that's going to be really
[47:34] good. Uh, last thing I have is the
[47:36] economic development board had a retreat
[47:40] a week ago Monday at the Mtech building
[47:43] and it was about three hours long and we
[47:45] discussed lots of things. So, um, we'll
[47:48] be sharing some of those with you in in
[47:50] the future. Thank you, Council Smith.
[47:54] >> Um, I just have a couple things. Um, I
[47:57] was wondering what it would take, and
[48:00] I'm going to say orange, not red, to
[48:03] repaint the orange curbs on Canyon Road
[48:06] where the ball fields are, or maybe put
[48:09] the no parking signs up, so with the
[48:11] games coming in, maybe it's cuz I drive
[48:14] the road a lot cuz I live up there. But
[48:17] that road's not very wide. And when the
[48:21] team the the moms the field moms the
[48:23] ball field moms start parking on it and
[48:26] then we have two other lanes and the
[48:28] other side's red also. Um but I noticed
[48:31] in the last couple weeks it's just
[48:32] lined. Um I know that. So then it kind
[48:35] of goes to my next thing I wanted to my
[48:38] last two things actually have to do with
[48:39] the police department but um it's all
[48:42] good. Um, the one thing was I actually
[48:45] wanted to recognize like I have noticed
[48:48] an increase with police presence
[48:50] everywhere of just like knowing that
[48:52] they're there and especially when the
[48:54] school zones are up. It I just think
[48:56] it's great. And so I have noticed a lot
[48:59] near the ball field. So I don't know if
[49:00] they're just, you know, routinely around
[49:02] there, but um cuz we were like, "Oh, I
[49:05] wonder if they're ticketing people or
[49:07] patrolling." But it just makes it very
[49:09] hard to get through. Um, and then the
[49:11] last thing is I know the police
[49:14] department's been sharing about it and
[49:16] maybe it's just kind of dear to my
[49:18] heart, but um I kind of want to come up
[49:21] with ideas. Um, well, first I guess I
[49:23] can ask Chief Bishop like how far away
[49:25] are you from where you need on your
[49:27] donations for the K9?
[49:38] Um, donations. I think we're about
[49:40] $6,000. We got a donation today from FOP
[49:43] for $2,000. We have a grant out right
[49:46] now that's a $5,000 grant. We're just
[49:48] waiting to hear. So, we're getting we're
[49:50] getting pretty close. And we have
[49:51] actually another business that that is
[49:53] thinking about donating a couple
[49:55] thousand. So,
[49:56] >> okay.
[49:56] >> I'm hoping in a few weeks time we'll be where we need to be. So,
[49:59] >> okay. because if not, my other idea was
[50:02] um I've been sharing your post, but if
[50:04] the city can share it most more, but
[50:05] then I was gonna see if I know that the
[50:08] city youth city council did this for the
[50:09] fire department, maybe we could do a
[50:11] bake sale to kind of push. I'm happy to
[50:14] donate baked goods, which I think would
[50:16] be so maybe if we could do something
[50:19] like that.
[50:20] >> Yeah, I'll probably know more in the
[50:22] next two weeks where we're at, but we're
[50:23] I mean the dog is $13,500
[50:26] to get the dog and all that. So, I mean,
[50:28] and then anything extra could go to what
[50:30] >> Yeah.
[50:31] >> was needed.
[50:32] >> I think we're I think we're on the right
[50:33] path and I think we'll probably get
[50:35] there, but I think in the next two weeks
[50:37] we'll probably know.
[50:38] >> Okay. But if
[50:39] >> Yeah, if we do. Yeah, I would love to do
[50:41] that. You know, that's that's great. We
[50:42] always have our businesses that come out
[50:44] and help us, you know, with donations
[50:45] and stuff.
[50:46] >> Um, some private corporations have a
[50:48] fund that we just have to apply for and
[50:50] we we put out those dealers, you know,
[50:52] and we're getting back on that. As far
[50:54] as a ballpark issue, yeah, this time of
[50:56] year we're up there a lot just because
[50:58] the parking and and you're right, the
[51:01] street is a little narrow right there,
[51:02] but we we try our best to keep that
[51:04] under control. It's just you some of
[51:06] those tournaments, you know, Carl will
[51:07] tell you there's
[51:09] >> there's a lot of people that show up,
[51:11] you know. So,
[51:11] >> I just figured a bright red curb instead
[51:13] of the orange might maybe.
[51:16] >> Well, it's supposed to be red. It's just
[51:17] faded.
[51:18] >> That's why I was joking. But that the
[51:21] problem with that is we have to have it
[51:22] signed and painted and
[51:24] >> somehow the signs keep disappearing and
[51:26] I
[51:26] >> weird.
[51:27] >> I don't know.
[51:27] >> The boogeyman shows up and takes the
[51:29] signs and
[51:30] >> but
[51:30] >> and we have to go and really drives Kent
[51:33] crazy
[51:34] >> or the moms that want to park there
[51:35] >> or or the moms
[51:36] >> or the mom. It's probably them but
[51:38] >> you know we end up managing and I
[51:40] understand it does narrow up a little
[51:42] bit. It's workable. I think you know we hate to go up there and ticket
[51:46] everybody because they're there enjoying
[51:47] the ball game. our biggest concern is
[51:49] kids running back and forth between the
[51:51] cars and that type of thing. So that's
[51:53] why we really, you know, put an extra
[51:55] enforcement on on on that up there. But,
[51:58] you know, the north the southern road,
[52:00] you know, um we really try and keep all
[52:02] the campers and stuff off of there
[52:03] because that road is actually a little
[52:05] less than our standard road.
[52:06] >> There's actually a trailer that's always
[52:08] parked there and when you go around, I
[52:10] almost hit it every time even though I
[52:12] know he is there,
[52:13] >> right? And they want us to red curb it
[52:15] so they can keep their trailers there.
[52:16] And we're explain to them that no,
[52:17] that's not how it works. We we
[52:19] >> Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, so I just
[52:21] >> we try and do the best we can without
[52:23] making everybody mad. You know,
[52:24] >> you guys are doing great. I just I just
[52:26] thought maybe a brighter like if we did
[52:28] repaint it, it might people like I
[52:31] personally don't want to park at a red
[52:33] curb, but the orange is getting so fa or
[52:35] the the red is getting so faded. It's in
[52:38] some spots it's not even really visible.
[52:39] So that's all.
[52:40] >> Yeah. I I think it's just been, you
[52:42] know, we had so many areas and Travis
[52:43] probably knows this, you know, talking
[52:45] with Kent that we have so many areas it
[52:47] becomes a a maintenance nightmare to
[52:48] keep all the red curb and all the
[52:50] science and and all that thing up. But I
[52:52] can
[52:52] >> fades in about a year, really, doesn't
[52:54] it? I mean,
[52:55] >> what's that?
[52:55] >> It fades pretty fast within within a
[52:57] year. I mean,
[52:58] >> yeah. I mean, it's just, you know,
[52:59] latent paint.
[53:02] >> Oh, is it red concrete on that one?
[53:05] Ah. Oh,
[53:06] >> so it's Carl's fault. He picked the
[53:07] wrong Carl. Gosh.
[53:11] No, no,
[53:13] >> it's almost 30.
[53:14] >> But anyway, and then like I said, if in
[53:16] a couple weeks you realize like
[53:18] >> Yeah.
[53:18] >> I I guarantee you we could get something
[53:21] out there. But I've been like I said, I
[53:23] just keep seeing your post pop up and I
[53:25] just that's something that I think we
[53:26] need and I just want to help you.
[53:29] >> Terry, he's the one that put in for the K9 spot and and ultimately chose
[53:33] him to take it and he put in for the
[53:34] grant and so he was checking up on it.
[53:36] He just hasn't heard back from them. So,
[53:38] okay.
[53:38] >> I think we're going to be pretty close.
[53:39] >> Okay. Well,
[53:41] >> if you want to if if it comes down to it
[53:43] and Ryan's good to put it, like I said,
[53:45] like I'm happy to help. I
[53:47] >> Okay.
[53:47] >> And just get something for you. So,
[53:49] >> awesome. I appreciate that.
[53:50] >> Can we name the dog Brad?
[53:52] >> What's that?
[53:52] >> Can we name the dog?
[53:53] >> I think it was Ryan. Ryan.
[53:56] >> I thought maybe we could name him like
[53:57] Cookie
[54:00] >> here. Ryan sounds really good.
[54:03] >> Anyway, that was all that's all I had.
[54:05] So, that's all I had. Thank you, Lacy.
[54:09] All right, let's move on to action items
[54:11] E. Ordinance amending the PAC city
[54:13] zoning map and changing the zoning
[54:15] designation for parcels 30 0650073
[54:22] 451 19700
[54:25] 04 and a portion of 30640022
[54:32] the Sunset Ranch. Michael, the screen is
[54:36] yours.
[54:38] >> Thank you. Um,
[54:41] for uh, Council Member Progard and
[54:44] Huelet that weren't here, I'll go
[54:46] through this whole presentation. It's
[54:47] pretty identical to the last one, just a
[54:49] few changes, but just for your benefit.
[54:52] Um, so tonight, uh, we've got two items
[54:56] on the agenda, the zone change and a
[54:59] development agreement. Uh, city
[55:01] council's role would be to approve or
[55:02] deny that. And then staff's role would
[55:05] be to do any site planning or
[55:07] subdivision planning uh in the future
[55:09] after that decision is made.
[55:13] Uh just zooming in on this because
[55:16] Google's fun
[55:25] and it's in that red boxed area is the properties we're talking about.
[55:31] So hopefully everybody's familiar with
[55:32] that. If you're not, everybody knows the
[55:35] innovation center. It's directly south
[55:36] from that about I don't know, maybe a
[55:38] mile. Um
[55:41] this is uh what was uh staff
[55:45] recommendation to the planning
[55:46] commission back in December and the
[55:48] planning commission had this same
[55:50] recommendation.
[55:51] Uh applicant requested to bring it to
[55:54] city council and city council tabled the
[55:58] item
[56:00] um with some direction to work with
[56:02] staff. Um as you know we came back on
[56:05] the 18th with a plan and it was the
[56:09] direction of council to table it again
[56:11] with some further direction on revising
[56:14] that concept plan. So tonight that's
[56:18] what we're bringing to you. Um, each of
[56:20] the lots in the concept layout, 70% will
[56:25] be 9,000 ft² or greater. The other 30%
[56:28] would be 7,500 square ft. So, let me
[56:30] show you those. Um, and then also just
[56:33] to let you know, um, this is the area
[56:36] requesting the reszone. Um, in your
[56:38] packets, you probably had a really
[56:40] grainy image of the concept. Hopefully,
[56:42] you were able to see the high resolution
[56:44] one that we put in just a few days ago.
[56:46] And that's what I've got here in this
[56:48] presentation.
[56:52] Um, as you can see, there's a total of
[56:55] 47 units. 33 of them would be 9,000
[56:58] square ft or greater, and then the
[57:01] remaining um 14 lots would be 7,500
[57:04] square ft.
[57:07] The development agreement would uh
[57:10] solidify that reduction in lot sizes for
[57:14] those 14 lots and it would also solidify
[57:17] housing product and the public uh
[57:22] utilities and infrastructure and
[57:23] timelines for putting those things in.
[57:25] Here are just a few of the housing
[57:27] products that the applicant has given us
[57:29] to um be as examples that go into that
[57:34] development agreement. Any
[57:37] questions by council?
[57:41] Any questions that perhaps you'd want to
[57:43] ask the applicant while they're here?
[57:46] >> You just go back to the the the map with
[57:48] the site plan.
[57:51] Uh as as I've studied this, uh I I am I think this is a a good thing. I think
[57:57] this is a win. I want to thank Tyler and
[57:59] his company for going back to the
[58:00] drawing board and helping to accommodate
[58:03] us on this. I think the two less lots is
[58:06] a win. And then in this, I also even see
[58:09] now some 10,000 square foot lots. And so
[58:12] the the lots are better shaped. There's
[58:14] a few less of them and they're bigger. I
[58:16] think this improves quality of life. I
[58:18] think this uh improves the marketability
[58:21] and sellability of the subdivision, not
[58:22] only when it's new, but 10, 20 years
[58:24] down the road as well. And so I just
[58:26] want to publicly thank you guys for for
[58:28] working with us and uh and helping us achieve this and provide a
[58:34] better product for future residents. And
[58:36] I'm really happy with how this turned
[58:37] out.
[58:39] Have a quick question for you on 1950
[58:42] West is as far as I could tell reading
[58:46] the development agreement. They will be
[58:48] doing the whole width of that, not just
[58:50] the half of that.
[58:53] >> I'm going to turn that over to Travis.
[59:00] But the rest of it they'll be doing the
[59:02] whole with
[59:07] » Okay. Okay.
[59:11] >> I'm just excited to have a whole bunch
[59:13] of single family lots.
[59:15] >> Mhm.
[59:17] >> Do we have sidewalks on both sides of
[59:20] the street in this? Good.
[59:24] Um, thank you for being so patient and
[59:26] working with us. I really think we've
[59:28] come together for a great neighborhood.
[59:31] Um, you wouldn't think that taking away
[59:33] two lots would make such a big
[59:34] difference, but it does. It doesn't look
[59:36] nearly as crowded. Um, I really, really
[59:40] like this one. I feel good about this.
[59:41] So, thank you
[59:58] Yeah,
[59:59] >> I think Chief will take the credit for
[1:00:00] that.
[1:00:04] » Yeah.
[1:00:05] >> Well, aren't you in touch? That will
[1:00:08] work really nice because we're trying to
[1:00:09] have a corridor clear up to the temple.
[1:00:11] So, this
[1:00:14] >> I think it I think it looks great. And
[1:00:16] as soon as I pulled it open, I didn't
[1:00:18] even look at the lot sizes yet. It just
[1:00:19] instantly to my eyes, I was like, "This
[1:00:21] looks amazing."
[1:00:22] >> It felt
[1:00:23] >> I love the look of the lot. So, I
[1:00:26] appreciate it. Thank you very much.
[1:00:29] >> Tyler, what does your market call?
[1:00:32] What's a 10,000 foot lot and a 9,000
[1:00:34] square foot lot? Raw raw lot.
[1:00:37] >> Mhm.
[1:00:41] » He knows he knows the drill. He has to
[1:00:43] come up to the microphone.
[1:00:45] I talked a little bit about this last
[1:00:47] time, but um just like kind of our
[1:00:50] business model, we'll offer like those
[1:00:54] houses that you saw, but we just offer
[1:00:57] like the base um model. It has I mean
[1:01:00] it's a nice home, but um we kind of
[1:01:03] offer the base price. And so like on the
[1:01:05] 10,000 square foot lot, if they picked a
[1:01:08] one of those bigger houses with like a
[1:01:10] third car garage,
[1:01:12] >> Mhm.
[1:01:13] >> it's probably
[1:01:14] I mean, don't quote me on I'm gonna have
[1:01:16] people put like $700,000
[1:01:20] probably
[1:01:20] >> and then usually people will spend
[1:01:24] >> $50,000
[1:01:25] in upgrades.
[1:01:27] >> Um we have a community actually really
[1:01:30] similar to this in Provo right now just
[1:01:32] south of the Orm Temple and we're seeing
[1:01:35] people spend like $100,000 in upgrades.
[1:01:38] It's actually I mean it's y
[1:01:39] >> kind of hard to understand with some of
[1:01:41] the affordability stuff that's being
[1:01:42] talked about but There's definitely a market for this. We PAC, we
[1:01:47] still have the town home and I hate
[1:01:49] using this word because it's not real
[1:01:50] affordable housing market, but but I'm
[1:01:53] telling you there there's so many people
[1:01:54] I interact with every day and maybe Lacy
[1:01:57] can speak to this too that they're dying
[1:01:58] for a nice single family subdivision to
[1:02:00] come into PAC.
[1:02:01] >> Yeah.
[1:02:02] >> And they're waiting in the wings for
[1:02:03] that to happen.
[1:02:04] >> Yeah. This will this will be Yeah.
[1:02:06] There'll be a lot of 9,000
[1:02:07] >> same same home on a 9,000 square foot
[1:02:10] lot.
[1:02:10] >> Yeah. We typically what we do is um
[1:02:13] we'll say, "Okay, here's the here's the
[1:02:15] subdivision and here's all the houses
[1:02:18] that we can build." And then people just
[1:02:20] pick there. There will be some of the
[1:02:23] bigger houses, like the biggest house we
[1:02:24] offer. It might be kind of hard to fit
[1:02:26] on the No, I actually think we can
[1:02:29] probably fit all of our plans on all of
[1:02:31] these lots now, actually thinking
[1:02:33] through that because we changed them to
[1:02:35] be 75 ft wide. So, it's pretty wide.
[1:02:38] >> Okay, it is. See, it could get you a
[1:02:41] bigger house if someone wanted in that
[1:02:43] wrecking that square lot. See,
[1:02:46] >> there you go.
[1:02:47] >> There will be people though that'll come
[1:02:49] and they
[1:02:50] >> this will be hard for them to afford.
[1:02:52] So, we will sell the smallest lots with
[1:02:55] a small house very quickly because this
[1:02:58] there'll be people reaching for for
[1:03:00] that. But
[1:03:01] >> and and you can also take them a couple
[1:03:03] hundred feet to the north and and show
[1:03:04] them the town homes you're building,
[1:03:05] too.
[1:03:06] >> Yeah.
[1:03:06] >> Although there is a big price, it is
[1:03:08] interesting. I mean, our town homes are
[1:03:10] 400,000 and these are going to be, you
[1:03:13] know, 600,000. So, there's like that gap
[1:03:16] right there. But yeah.
[1:03:17] >> No, I think what Ryan said is true that
[1:03:21] in PAC with new build besides the
[1:03:24] furthest north obviously, which a lot of
[1:03:27] people think that's Salem anyway. Um,
[1:03:29] you either have the million-dollar
[1:03:31] homes.
[1:03:32] >> Yeah.
[1:03:32] >> Up on the east side or you have existing
[1:03:35] homes and new builds are
[1:03:38] >> town homes.
[1:03:39] >> Well, they people want new builds, you
[1:03:41] know, and so this I think you guys have
[1:03:44] a great market here because this is what
[1:03:46] people are looking for and they have
[1:03:48] been having to go south to Santa Quinn
[1:03:50] for it because there's really not a
[1:03:52] development like this other than like
[1:03:54] the Arrowhead. But even those ones are
[1:03:56] 500,000 a lot of them, you know. So,
[1:03:58] because they're smaller lots, smaller
[1:04:01] homes, and so I I really think you guys
[1:04:03] like are going to have a great
[1:04:04] development here. And I think you guys
[1:04:06] are going to do great and you'll be
[1:04:08] surprised that a lot of people will come
[1:04:09] to this. So,
[1:04:10] >> can you do basements in this
[1:04:11] neighborhood?
[1:04:12] >> Yeah, we actually think so. Um, we'll
[1:04:14] work with Travis just to make sure we
[1:04:16] don't run into any problems, but the
[1:04:17] groundwater, you know, obviously it
[1:04:19] varies, right? But,
[1:04:21] >> uh, is it seven feet on average?
[1:04:26] » Triangle.
[1:04:33] That's not bad.
[1:04:34] >> Awesome. That sounds doable. Want to
[1:04:36] dry.
[1:04:36] >> People really like
[1:04:37] >> some you can have a basement 10 years
[1:04:39] ago.
[1:04:40] >> We're not worried about selling. It's
[1:04:42] more just
[1:04:44] >> Yeah.
[1:04:45] >> Any further discussion, council?
[1:04:46] >> No.
[1:04:47] >> I'd entertain a motion. I motion that uh
[1:04:51] we approve amending the Pacin City
[1:04:54] zoning map and changing the zoning
[1:04:55] designation for the parcels previously
[1:04:57] listed and listed on the agenda for the
[1:04:59] Sunset Ranch.
[1:05:01] >> I'll second.
[1:05:04] >> Any further discussion? Michael, do we
[1:05:06] need to say the zone or as he stated it
[1:05:08] in?
[1:05:08] >> I think he stated the R19.
[1:05:10] >> Perfect. Yeah.
[1:05:11] >> All right. Roll call vote. Council
[1:05:13] Smith.
[1:05:14] >> Yes. Yes.
[1:05:14] >> Council He
[1:05:17] Ryan.
[1:05:17] >> Yes. Council L.
[1:05:20] >> Yes.
[1:05:21] >> Had a senior moment for this. Council
[1:05:23] Proscard. Yes.
[1:05:26] >> All right. Motion carries. Thanks you
[1:05:27] guys so much. Thanks staff for
[1:05:30] >> have one more.
[1:05:31] >> Yeah. I'm going to turn it over and
[1:05:33] >> Yeah. I'm not through with them.
[1:05:36] >> Don't leave yet.
[1:05:37] >> Okay. Item two, uh, resolution
[1:05:41] authorizing the mayor to execute a
[1:05:43] development agreement for the Sunset
[1:05:45] Ranch subdivision with White Horse Land
[1:05:48] LLC. Michael, go ahead.
[1:05:50] >> Well, it's essentially what was already
[1:05:52] stated. Uh, but if you have any other
[1:05:54] questions, we can answer those.
[1:05:56] >> No, I just had one and and I don't know
[1:05:58] if anybody answered. I put in an email,
[1:06:00] but uh, exhibit C and D were missing.
[1:06:03] So, we just need to make sure they're in with the development
[1:06:07] agreement.
[1:06:11] » Emily Emily wrote back to council
[1:06:13] members. Um, those are just standard
[1:06:15] documents that go in.
[1:06:20] » Any further discussion? I would
[1:06:22] entertain a is it a motion that we need?
[1:06:26] Yes. A motion
[1:06:27] >> authorizing the mayor to execute a
[1:06:29] development agreement.
[1:06:33] I'll make a motion that we authorize the
[1:06:34] mayor to exe uh to execute a development
[1:06:37] agreement for a Sunset Ranch subdivision
[1:06:39] with White Horse Land LLC.
[1:06:42] >> I'll second that.
[1:06:44] >> Any further discussion?
[1:06:46] Council Moss,
[1:06:48] >> yes.
[1:06:49] >> Council Rolley,
[1:06:50] >> yes.
[1:06:51] >> Council Brian,
[1:06:52] >> yes.
[1:06:53] >> Council Lacy,
[1:06:55] >> yes.
[1:06:55] >> Council Bob, yes. Sorry, guys.
[1:06:58] >> It's okay. There's a lot of names to
[1:07:00] remember.
[1:07:00] >> Motion carries. Thanks you guys. Uh,
[1:07:04] thank the citizenry for being here
[1:07:05] tonight. Thanks staff for hanging in
[1:07:07] here. I'd entertain a motion.
[1:07:09] >> I motion that we adjurnn.
[1:07:11] >> Second that.
[1:07:12] >> All in favor?
[1:07:13] >> I.
[1:07:14] >> Motion adjourned.
[1:07:16] >> Well, thanks guys.
[1:07:21] Dear Lord,