[0:00] 6:00. Uh this is the B city council
[0:02] meeting. Uh we'll uh open this meeting.
[0:06] Uh Council Roelly will open it with
[0:09] prayer for us.
[0:13] Our dear kind loving father in heaven.
[0:15] Father, as we pause in prayer at the
[0:18] start of this city meeting, we are so
[0:20] grateful for this beautiful area in
[0:21] which we live. We are thankful for the
[0:24] precipitation thou has blessed us with
[0:26] in the last few weeks, and we humbly ask
[0:28] for more. Father, we're grateful to live
[0:31] in this great nation. We're thankful for
[0:33] religious freedoms and personal
[0:34] freedoms. That's why we're gathered here
[0:36] tonight. We pray that we may make wise
[0:38] decisions concerning the future of PAC.
[0:41] We pray for this city and all of its
[0:43] residents that we may have prosperity
[0:45] and safety and a good plan moving
[0:48] forward. Father, we pray thy spirit be
[0:50] with us. Do so in the sacred name of
[0:52] Jesus Christ. Amen.
[0:54] >> Amen. Thank you, Ryan. Uh we'll have uh
[0:57] Rick Johnson if he would approach the
[0:59] pulpit and lead us in the pledge.
[1:14] » I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[1:17] United States of America and to the
[1:20] republic for which it stands. One nation
[1:24] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:27] justice for all.
[1:29] >> Thank you, Rick.
[1:32] >> Ladies and gentlemen, I'd like to excuse
[1:33] Council Hulet, Brian Huelet. He's uh
[1:36] gone to a conference, Main Street,
[1:38] National Main Street Conference,
[1:40] >> Mayor, I'm online.
[1:42] >> Oh. Oh, good. Thank you. Didn't know you
[1:45] were going to do that. Great. Wonderful.
[1:47] I'm not sure about Bob Provoscard, but
[1:50] I'm sure he'll join us momentarily.
[1:54] Okay, moving on to uh the consent
[1:57] agenda.
[1:59] Uh
[2:01] C. Uh number one, approval of the April
[2:03] 1st, 2026 count city council meeting
[2:07] minutes. Number two, confirmation of the
[2:09] monthly financial information.
[2:12] Number three, annual fraud risk
[2:14] assessment. Number four, resolution city
[2:17] of fund carnival carnival incorporated
[2:20] agreement. Uh res number five resolution
[2:23] arrowhead ranch adidum to master
[2:26] development agreement.
[2:29] Uh it's number six resolution approving
[2:31] the municipal law enforcement services
[2:33] agreement with Mountain View Hospital.
[2:36] And number seven, uh, resolution
[2:38] identification of PAC city fire and
[2:40] rescue as the city's EMS service
[2:43] provider and relicensure of ambulance
[2:47] licenses. Council, unless there's any
[2:49] discussion uh on these items, I'm ready
[2:52] for a motion.
[2:54] >> Mayor, I have one question.
[2:56] >> Okay.
[2:57] >> Um, just on the Carnival, do we always
[2:59] do a five-year contract with them? And
[3:01] is there any way an out if we decide to
[3:05] change that in the five years?
[3:09] >> We have done a fiveyear
[3:11] far as I can remember. We could make it
[3:13] a less term.
[3:15] >> I don't know that there's any I don't
[3:16] know there's been any problems with
[3:18] them. I've been very satisfied all my
[3:20] career here that uh that we've
[3:23] interacted with them.
[3:24] >> Oh yeah. My whole life it's been that.
[3:26] And every time I go there I have a I
[3:27] have a city of fun.
[3:30] >> Yeah. I was just curious about the term
[3:32] and if there's if something happens we
[3:34] decide to you know if we want it out is
[3:37] there is there an out clause in it?
[3:39] >> Yes, there is a termination clause.
[3:41] >> Okay. Okay. Thank you.
[3:43] >> Good. Thank you, Brian.
[3:45] >> Um I I had two questions. The one was
[3:49] kind of about the city of fund. I read
[3:52] through the agreement and I was just
[3:54] curious
[3:56] have they have in that discussion like I
[3:58] know it's their choice but I think the
[4:01] number one thing I hear from residents
[4:02] every year is that the ticket prices are
[4:05] just getting outrageously unaffordable
[4:08] and so I just didn't know if like that's
[4:11] the only place that we look at and then
[4:15] making sure that they do abide by their
[4:17] agreement because I feel like there are
[4:18] a few things in it that you see them
[4:20] doing that like smoking in non areas or
[4:26] you know different things like that. So
[4:28] >> and that's something that police chief
[4:30] could address for us is as it becomes
[4:32] necessary. Right.
[4:33] >> I was just I think the ticket prices I
[4:35] just hear all the time that it's just
[4:37] unaffordable for families these days and
[4:39] so that's just a concern. But then my
[4:41] other question on the Arrowhead Ranch
[4:43] addendum the 2.26 26 acres. I read the
[4:48] previous one. Is it just open land and
[4:51] trails?
[4:55] Bowl of questions.
[4:56] >> It is open land and we're part of that
[4:59] agreement is we're paying the portion to
[5:01] landscape of trees
[5:04] uh picnic table. We didn't want to do a
[5:06] lot of landscaping because our hope is
[5:09] that as the other properties around it
[5:10] develop that we will add that make it a
[5:12] bigger park.
[5:13] >> Okay. That was
[5:14] >> but that was this portion. We we asked
[5:15] them to put it down toward the
[5:18] >> and a pavilion I think I read. Maybe
[5:20] something like that.
[5:21] >> Yeah. Okay. We're eventually want to
[5:23] have more of a regional park with the
[5:25] other properties that develop.
[5:26] >> Okay. That was just I just wanted to
[5:27] know what the plan was. Okay.
[5:29] >> And Lacy and maybe a little bit more on
[5:32] your on your point with the carnival.
[5:35] They do have a half price night. That
[5:36] Monday night is always a half price
[5:38] night. So
[5:39] >> Friday night I believe is the
[5:41] >> Yes, Friday night. It's the It's the
[5:42] first. Yes,
[5:43] >> we'll just make sure to push that more
[5:44] maybe for people that are upset about
[5:46] the prices. So, they have price.
[5:48] >> I've I've been I've been impressed with
[5:49] City of Fun, especially as I've compared
[5:51] them to other carnivals in other cities.
[5:53] I think they do a pretty good job.
[5:55] >> Yep.
[5:56] >> Okay. Any other questions?
[5:57] >> I do want to make a statement. I just
[5:59] want to thank our our recorder for how
[6:01] well she does with the minutes as I
[6:03] review those. Those have been looking
[6:04] really nice. So, thank you so much for
[6:06] the detail and uh and how concise those
[6:08] minutes are.
[6:10] >> Okay. Wonderful. Anything else? Okay,
[6:13] I'm ready for a motion.
[6:15] >> Mayor, I motion that we approve the
[6:17] consent agenda.
[6:18] >> I'll second that.
[6:19] >> Okay, we have a motion been seconded.
[6:21] Roll call vote starting with council
[6:23] Moss.
[6:23] >> Yes.
[6:24] >> Council Roelly,
[6:25] >> yes.
[6:25] >> Council Smith,
[6:26] >> yes.
[6:26] >> And council Helet.
[6:28] >> Yes.
[6:29] >> Thank you. Motion carries. Uh D.
[6:32] Petitions PAC and Sanquin Chamber
[6:35] Quarterly Report and Awards. Jim, I saw
[6:37] you here.
[6:46] and Lacy, Friday night, much smaller
[6:48] crowds. Great night to go to the
[6:50] festival for sure.
[6:53] I am Jim Roland, the president of the
[6:57] PAC and Santa Quinn Chamber of Commerce.
[6:59] Hello, mayor, city council, and members
[7:02] of the community. Light crowd tonight.
[7:04] No, nothing to fight about tonight.
[7:09] fight.
[7:11] >> All right. Yeah. Well, I won't add to
[7:13] anything to fight about either. So, um
[7:17] it's uh my pleasure to um provide a
[7:21] quarterly update on what's been going on
[7:23] with the chamber um to help support and
[7:26] grow our local businesses. This first
[7:28] quarter of the year is the slowest time
[7:31] of the year for chamber events. Um
[7:35] though I don't feel like I've had any
[7:38] more time on my plate to do other
[7:41] things. Um but it is a slower month. We
[7:44] enjoyed our um another great successful
[7:48] annual awards gayla at Moments on Maine
[7:51] in February. The theme this year was
[7:53] Garage to Great Powering America 250. um
[7:57] where we celebrate the incredible
[7:59] success stories of our local business
[8:01] owners and nonprofits that are really
[8:04] the engine to to our community.
[8:07] We were honored to have Major General
[8:09] Jefferson Burton as our special guest
[8:12] speaker and I'm proud to share that our
[8:15] $10 balloon pop um raised $1,190 for our
[8:20] high school scholarship program.
[8:24] And we are working diligently this week,
[8:27] right Ann to choose uh some our first
[8:31] award winners that we'll announce next
[8:33] week or on May 4th at their banquet. So
[8:37] we're excited to uh to present that
[8:39] scholarship
[8:41] to a high school graduate.
[8:44] The community guide magazine came out
[8:47] about a week or so ago. I dropped off a
[8:49] couple more copies. I put some more out
[8:52] on the front uh table if anybody wants
[8:54] to grab one.
[8:56] >> Hey Jim, I did the wonderful wonderful
[8:58] magazine. I love it. Thank you. I did
[9:00] want to ask the population for Pacin and
[9:03] Sanquin. It's exactly the same. I'm
[9:05] curious. Is that a typo or really the
[9:07] exact same?
[9:08] >> You know, we can only find what we can
[9:10] find.
[9:11] >> Right. So that's what you found. must be
[9:12] the numbers that
[9:13] >> interesting. Okay.
[9:15] >> So,
[9:16] >> and I think that is a little bit high by
[9:18] comparison some of the figures that I've
[9:20] seen too, but we're between 24 and
[9:22] 25,000.
[9:23] >> Right. Okay.
[9:23] >> Yeah. I know a couple years ago we were
[9:26] definitely three or 4,000 ahead.
[9:29] >> Right.
[9:29] >> So,
[9:30] >> there's been a lot of growth in South
[9:31] Santa. So, that was interesting to me.
[9:33] Thank you.
[9:33] >> According to Robert over here, it's very
[9:36] close.
[9:37] >> Really? Wow.
[9:39] >> What are we going to do about that?
[9:43] sell more houses in case
[9:49] » um anyway the magazine is really fun.
[9:51] It's got um a calendar of events for the
[9:53] entire year. So it's not just PAC
[9:57] events. It's all the the whole Wasuch
[10:00] community.
[10:02] Um a lot of it celebrating America 250.
[10:05] Um so there's tons of events throughout
[10:08] the valley. Um, and uh, it's got a lot
[10:11] of uh, advertisements from our local
[10:13] businesses. So, I ask that you support
[10:15] those businesses and um, and enjoy the
[10:19] magazine.
[10:21] Uh, we celebrated some uh, ribbon
[10:24] cutings this quarter um, welcoming some
[10:27] new growth to the community. um included
[10:30] uh great local additions like pre-loved,
[10:34] the pace invention innovation center and
[10:38] studio 22 salon suites and a reopening
[10:41] celebration of the Wayfair Theater.
[10:44] The there are two more businesses that I
[10:47] know of that are on the brink of
[10:48] opening. Uh the first one is Beehive
[10:51] Bandit Burgers which is located next to
[10:54] Caesar's Little Caesars up by the high
[10:56] school. Um they I get a feeling it's any
[11:00] day now they will be serving some
[11:02] burgers up there. So be sure to check
[11:04] them out. And another great new addition
[11:07] to our community is Western Timber Frame
[11:10] who is moving into the old bowling
[11:13] alley. Um they build magnificent wooden
[11:17] structures for commercial buildings and
[11:20] uh they're going to be a great um
[11:22] employer in our community. Uh we have a
[11:25] few issues to resolve at the building
[11:27] that hopefully will get resolved quickly
[11:30] and uh we will have a big ribbon cutting
[11:32] and celebration there soon as well.
[11:34] >> I just Jim I might mentioned too they're
[11:37] they have won some accreditation from
[11:39] the small businesses.
[11:41] >> They did. That's right. They won
[11:43] >> lets them go on to further competition.
[11:46] >> Yep. It gives them uh some some power to grow even even bigger than what they
[11:51] are. So, I don't know how much land
[11:53] comes with that building, if they have
[11:54] room for growth, but um they uh they
[11:57] have quite a cool operation. So, I'm
[11:59] excited to get over there and check them
[12:01] out. Um we are in the middle of planning
[12:05] our next hometown market season in Santa
[12:08] Quinn. Uh we'll get many of the vendors
[12:11] at that market will come from our PAC
[12:13] businesses. um including on July 13th
[12:16] our young entrepreneur night um which
[12:19] brings out a lot of incredible youth in
[12:21] our community um that do some amazing
[12:24] things. I met uh Alexa Ellis from the
[12:28] PAC Treehouse um here on Pac Main
[12:31] Street. I don't know if any of you have
[12:34] met her yet. Um I don't The treehouse is
[12:38] right above Remax Furniture where there
[12:41] was a yoga studio or something up above
[12:43] there. Um, so she's got a cool little
[12:45] business there and she's been um
[12:48] diligently meeting with all the downtown
[12:50] businesses and is very anxious to pull
[12:53] off a hometown market on Main Street and
[12:56] other activities and she feels that
[12:59] there's a lot of support from the other
[13:01] business owners on Main Street. So, I
[13:04] will be working closely with her and Ty
[13:08] um Jones to see what we can develop and
[13:11] maybe we can have a PAC hometown market
[13:13] here later this year or next year. Um,
[13:17] unfortunately, we had to cancel our
[13:19] upcoming garage to gray workshop that
[13:21] was scheduled for next Friday. Um, but
[13:24] we do have another one planned for
[13:25] October and are looking forward to that.
[13:27] Um, that is my report. Thank you for
[13:30] allowing me time to share. Is there any
[13:33] questions or
[13:35] anything the chamber can do to help
[13:37] support our local businesses?
[13:38] >> I just want to say thank you so much as
[13:40] the city council representative for the
[13:42] chamber of commerce. You guys work
[13:43] really really hard and you are
[13:47] constantly texting each other and
[13:49] planning things and and you're there for
[13:51] the businesses and there for Pacin City
[13:54] and and and its residents and I don't
[13:57] think we could do a lot of what happens
[13:59] without you guys. So, thank you so much.
[14:02] >> Thank you.
[14:04] >> All right.
[14:04] >> Thank you.
[14:04] very much.
[14:05] >> Thanks, Jim.
[14:09] » The next item on the
[14:12] petitions is the I-15 interchange
[14:14] update. I don't see Eric here.
[14:17] >> We're skipping it.
[14:18] Okay, we'll go ahead
[14:19] and move to the next one. Number three,
[14:23] proclamation municipal clerk's week.
[14:26] Any information now or just uh
[14:30] I think it's
[14:32] >> me do it.
[14:35] >> Come on, Emily.
[14:39] » Yeah, it's a week for me.
[14:43] >> Yeah. So,
[14:46] >> turn it off. Oh, jeez. You guys see? Um,
[14:49] it's the first week in May. I know I'm
[14:52] already like um and it just recognizes
[14:55] municipal clerks and their role in the
[14:57] city that is support that supports all
[14:59] departments and council and and yeah so
[15:03] that's what that is.
[15:04] >> Okay.
[15:05] >> And you're awesome.
[15:06] >> Thank you.
[15:06] >> Did a great job.
[15:07] >> Thank you.
[15:10] >> Okay. Moving on. Uh we'll open a public
[15:13] forum. Anyone can speak. Uh please be
[15:16] cognizant of your time. Try to hit
[15:18] around three minutes. uh less if you
[15:21] don't need to take more. So, uh just let
[15:24] us know who you are and what what you'd
[15:26] like to tell us.
[15:30] Come on up.
[15:37] Hello. Thank you. My name is Sarah
[15:38] Ogden. Um I have been a resident of PAC
[15:41] city for six years and I understand that
[15:44] the topic I'm about to bring up has
[15:46] already been addressed before. Um, I
[15:49] think our city should allow two to three
[15:51] goats on lots smaller than half an acre.
[15:55] Uh, the concerns that ultimately led to
[15:57] shutting down this idea 5 years ago can
[16:00] be mitigated with proper infrastructure
[16:01] and well-managed care.
[16:04] Some advantages to owning goats are to
[16:06] help patient citizens to be producers
[16:08] instead of just consumers.
[16:11] Goats um provide companionship much like
[16:14] cats and dogs along with milk, meat,
[16:17] fiber, and fertilizer. Their milk is in
[16:20] high demand. It's nutritious, easier to
[16:22] digest than cow milk, and thus great for
[16:24] many with sensitivities to cow milk. Its
[16:27] high butter fat content makes it
[16:28] excellent for gourmet cooking to make
[16:30] nourishing foods like yogurt and cheese,
[16:32] as well as skin care, such as lotion and
[16:34] soap.
[16:35] >> The meat is also nutrientdense.
[16:38] >> You can use fiber for spinning into
[16:39] yarn.
[16:41] Like rabbit manure, goat manure is cold
[16:43] and can be applied to gardens without
[16:44] burning the plants from too much
[16:45] nitrogen. Both weeds and feed are
[16:49] processed into a rich soil amendment
[16:51] that increases soil's water retention,
[16:53] which is a wonderful thing in this
[16:54] drought. Um, it also allowing goats
[17:00] will allow for sustainable
[17:02] self-sufficiency.
[17:03] Goats don't actually require as much
[17:05] room as you might imagine to be happy
[17:07] and healthy. In just a 20 by 10 foot
[17:09] pen, a couple of miniature goats could
[17:12] produce between half
[17:14] >> to one gallon of milk per day.
[17:18] >> I recognize that noise, smells,
[17:22] property damage, and animals at large
[17:25] are all valid concerns that deserve
[17:26] attention and consideration. Um, in my
[17:30] opinion,
[17:32] I don't see goats ever becoming a bigger
[17:35] noise issue than dogs if their needs are
[17:37] being met.
[17:39] Also, for smells, I don't see their
[17:42] manure, if properly managed, ever
[17:44] smelling worse than dog poo or cat poo.
[17:48] Um, certainly for property damage and
[17:51] animals getting out, we want to make
[17:52] sure that pens are secure and we would
[17:54] have the same kind of rules in place
[17:57] that we have for dogs.
[17:59] So, I propose that we move toward
[18:01] drafting an ordinance to allow two to
[18:03] three miniature goats on lots less than
[18:05] half an acre. We can in include
[18:08] provisions regarding adequate space,
[18:09] shelter, fencing, care, and maintenance.
[18:12] Uh, 5 years ago, when this issue was
[18:14] brought before the city council, a
[18:15] petition had been signed by over 350
[18:18] individuals in favor of allowing goats
[18:20] on smaller lots in PAC. So, I'm
[18:23] wondering if maybe we can put this on a
[18:25] ballot to vote, have the people vote on
[18:27] it, or perhaps implement a pilot
[18:30] program. I hope one day soon to see PAC
[18:33] embrace the great homesteading spirit
[18:35] that made our country what it is. To
[18:38] empower our citizens to take care of
[18:39] themselves and each other, to embrace
[18:42] the principles of freedom and industry,
[18:44] to make preserving that small town feel
[18:47] not just some superficial catchphrase,
[18:49] but actually an ideal that we live and
[18:51] work toward. Thank you.
[18:53] >> Thank you.
[18:54] >> Thanks, Sarah.
[18:57] >> Okay. Anyone else like to address this?
[19:02] >> No. Jim, you've already done it.
[19:07] I'm speaking as a resident now.
[19:11] I I don't really have much prepared, but
[19:15] I was just thinking about the uh path on
[19:19] um Dry Creek Path, I think it's called,
[19:22] right from 1400 up to almost Main
[19:24] Street.
[19:26] There are some pretty big motorcycles
[19:28] that ride on that path, and it's very
[19:31] scary when you come across them
[19:33] unknowingly. Um, I have not been caught
[19:37] in the tunnel under under the road with
[19:40] a motorcycle burling around that corner
[19:44] yet. Um, but I can picture
[19:47] the fear of my wife and my dogs while
[19:51] inside that tunnel. I I'm not coming
[19:54] with a solution, but I would sure like
[19:56] to just voice our concern
[19:59] as as a walking path to be fighting
[20:03] against um these motorcycles. A lot of
[20:07] electric bikes as well are on that path
[20:11] and and if I had an electric bike, I
[20:14] couldn't think of a better path to be
[20:15] riding on myself.
[20:17] So, I'm stuck with what do I do as a
[20:21] parent with my kids on their bikes and
[20:24] stuff? Where do I send them? I certainly
[20:26] don't want them out on the highway in
[20:28] the roads. Um, but I sure would like to
[20:30] see a way to ban them from that walking
[20:35] trail, if it indeed is a walking trail.
[20:38] And I'm I'm not going to spill the
[20:39] beans, but we are we are working on a
[20:41] solution right now. Uh the for the for
[20:44] the police to have to give them the
[20:46] ability to to watch over that and patrol
[20:48] that. And so hopefully that will
[20:50] curtail. Hopefully a few a few warnings
[20:52] will scare these individuals straight
[20:54] because because right now they're not
[20:55] supposed to do it.
[20:56] >> It's against already for
[20:58] >> it's against city ordinance.
[21:00] >> Yeah. becomes an enforcement issue and
[21:03] you know can't be there 24 hours a day
[21:05] and
[21:05] >> but you may see some different bikes
[21:07] there that could offer some enforcement.
[21:10] >> Yeah. And I know there's a difference
[21:12] between
[21:13] >> they'll be loud.
[21:14] >> An electric bike and a motorbike and
[21:17] sometimes that's a very fine line and
[21:19] those electric bikes have gotten big and
[21:20] heavy and these are little kids that
[21:22] drive these things that have no more
[21:24] control over it than I might. Um that
[21:27] it's just a it's just a dangerous thing
[21:29] for a beautiful pet. Well, and it's been
[21:31] an ongoing um issue for the Maples HOA
[21:34] over there, too. We uh when I was on
[21:38] that board, we tried to put signs up.
[21:39] They'd get stolen
[21:42] um or ignored.
[21:43] >> And the signs I I showed the mayor one
[21:46] sign there and it's it's like 20 ft off
[21:48] the path and and apparently it didn't
[21:52] >> have any.
[21:52] >> It wasn't one of our signs. It was an
[21:54] sign. Yeah. Yeah.
[21:55] >> So, I have not seen any sign about not
[21:57] being,
[21:58] >> but it is something we're we're aware of
[21:59] and cognizant of and something we're
[22:00] actually actively working on on taking
[22:03] care of.
[22:03] >> Great. Well, if you need a deputy on the
[22:05] path, let me know. I can help you out.
[22:08] >> You have more time, too.
[22:09] >> On your hands.
[22:11] >> A man's got to walk, you know.
[22:12] >> That's true.
[22:13] >> I got to get my 7,000 steps in.
[22:15] >> Yeah. Should we give you a dirt bike to
[22:16] patrol it?
[22:18] >> Probably wouldn't be a good image. Thank
[22:21] you. Thanks.
[22:22] >> Thanks, Jim. Anyone
[22:25] else?
[22:28] Not seeing anyone here. Uh, anybody
[22:31] online, Emily?
[22:34] Okay, thank you. We'll go ahead and
[22:36] close the public forum and move on to
[22:38] staff reports.
[22:49] » I doubt that. Um, I just want to thank
[22:53] Jim for bringing that up. We do have a
[22:54] solution in the works. Um, our resource
[22:57] officers in the when they get out of
[22:59] school, they're going to be uh signed to
[23:01] trails. So, we're going to have a big
[23:03] enforcement. Uh, the legislature changed
[23:05] a few rules. Those bikes that you see,
[23:07] those fast ones, those are actually
[23:09] considered motorcycles and need to be
[23:11] licensed. So, we've got a a campaign
[23:13] we're coming up with right now. You'll
[23:15] start seeing it on social media here in
[23:16] the next probably couple weeks. and
[23:18] we're going to get out there and and
[23:20] really make a dent in that. Um they're a little they evade pretty easy,
[23:25] so sometimes it's hard, but we we'll
[23:28] we're we'll be working on it shortly. We
[23:31] just once our high school or our uh
[23:33] SRO's get out of the schools, we're
[23:35] going to move them to trail and and
[23:37] street enforcement for the summer. So,
[23:39] it's a it'll be a good solution and
[23:40] hopefully that carries on through the
[23:42] whole year where we don't have them year
[23:44] round, but at least we'll get good three
[23:45] months of good enforcement and some
[23:47] education out there. So,
[23:49] >> hey Chief, can I just interject and
[23:52] clarify for me because we see a lot more
[23:53] of these electric bikes running around
[23:55] even following traffic patterns. At what
[23:58] point does that cross the line and
[23:59] become illegal? I mean, are they ever so
[24:01] >> It depends on the on the bike. Okay. So,
[24:04] the ones that like the Saron bikes,
[24:06] those are illegal all the time. They are
[24:08] considered motorbikes.
[24:10] So they're they're capable of going 20
[24:12] miles an hour or higher. They're going
[24:13] to be considered a motorcycle.
[24:15] >> Okay.
[24:17] >> Scott, we got to make sure.
[24:20] >> Well, we're not going to let Scott ride
[24:22] a bike anymore just for obvious reasons,
[24:24] but
[24:26] >> that scar on his head may tell you a
[24:28] tale of that, but um no, it's it's a
[24:31] huge problem. It's a huge problem in
[24:33] every I mean I live on I live on canal
[24:35] by canal road in Salem and we have a
[24:37] trail along there and I I see
[24:39] 12-year-old kids riding a wheelie at 60
[24:41] miles an hour past my house almost daily
[24:44] >> and that's why the law was changed a
[24:46] little bit. It didn't change a lot, but
[24:47] there is there is a campaign that's
[24:49] coming out that uh we did lobby
[24:51] legislature for some education money
[24:53] that's going to be coming through uh
[24:55] either DD DNR or highway safety office.
[24:58] Um just aformational campaign. There is
[25:01] some rules and regulations. Um we did
[25:04] make it easier for us to hold on to the
[25:06] bike till we can get a parent to come
[25:07] get it. Um if it is a if it is in the
[25:10] motorcycle category, we can actually
[25:11] impound it. Uh we're not we're not
[25:13] trying to take everybody's stuff. So,
[25:15] we're going to try and ease into it and be a good neighbor about it. But, uh
[25:19] I mean, you've seen the news. We've had
[25:21] probably 10 or 12 uh young young adults
[25:24] or young children, not young, but you
[25:26] know, between 10 and 16 years old that
[25:29] have died on them this year. And that's where the bill originated was out
[25:32] of Centerville. So, um I know Southern
[25:34] Utah's had a a rash of of serious
[25:37] injuries or even deaths on those. So,
[25:40] um, it's just not super responsible to,
[25:43] you know, give a 60 mph, you know,
[25:46] motorcycle to a 12-year-old kid, right?
[25:48] There there's
[25:49] >> there's a lot.
[25:49] >> See it all the time.
[25:50] >> Council Moss called me. Councilwoman
[25:52] Moss called me the other night and by
[25:54] the time I got down there, they were I
[25:55] could not find spent 30 minutes looking
[25:57] for them and they just
[25:59] >> saw you coming.
[26:00] >> Well, it's funny. I don't think they see
[26:02] me coming, but I was suspicious enough
[26:03] that they they got out of there. So, but
[26:06] from there, there's trails all over.
[26:07] They can go anywhere in town. That's the bad the the other issue we're
[26:10] working on that's kind of part of that
[26:12] is the graffiti. I mean last last
[26:16] May, June and July, we got hit really
[26:18] hard with graffiti in our pocket parks.
[26:20] Um and that's another aspect that we're trying to curtail as well as
[26:24] far as that that enforcement effort goes
[26:26] through. So we've got a multiaceted
[26:29] situation that we've got to get a handle
[26:31] on somehow. You know, the pocket parks,
[26:33] they're they're hidden. They're dark.
[26:35] You know, we were going to put some
[26:37] cameras up. We don't have any internet
[26:38] service. We don't have any any power at
[26:40] some of them. So, we're, you know,
[26:41] looking at some other options, but
[26:43] that's kind of where we're at on that.
[26:45] >> Thanks, Chief.
[26:56] » Chief number two,
[26:57] >> right? Uh, kind of tag team and Brad. I
[27:02] we do have on on the parks and trails
[27:04] end I have all of Provos who have really
[27:07] delved into this especially with the uh
[27:10] the ebikes uh I think the most dangerous
[27:12] thing we find is they're silent.
[27:15] >> So, you know, you can have a mom or dad
[27:18] with a stroller just walking along and
[27:20] so so we do have all that and I' I've
[27:22] talked with Brad and we'll continue to
[27:24] work together to get signage up there.
[27:26] Uh so, but that's not why I'm here
[27:29] tonight. Although I was really gonna
[27:31] embarrass Scott, but Brad kind of stole my thunder, so I won't do that.
[27:35] But uh we we are we did we did offer uh
[27:39] a new parks position to a gentleman and
[27:43] we're hiring another position that that
[27:45] left. So we'll have two new employees.
[27:48] Soon as we get everything buttoned up,
[27:49] we'll bring them in here and introduce
[27:50] you. So we're excited about that on the
[27:52] parks end. Uh and then I really wanted
[27:55] to report on 930 West Park down there.
[27:58] Uh what we uh Councilwoman Moss has been
[28:03] gracious enough to send me some
[28:04] pictures. We've been trying to talk to
[28:06] everyone about uh the look. Uh kind of
[28:09] what we landed on is me and Wes ended up
[28:11] at the Pacin Temple uh meeting with
[28:14] their grounds crew going kind of over
[28:17] their whole exterior plan uh choosing
[28:21] some stuff. We thought if we could kind
[28:22] of bring that look outside the temple
[28:25] down 9:30. So, that's kind of where
[28:28] we're going with that. Um, so just with
[28:30] the types of trees and and the type of
[28:32] look that that's in the temple, we
[28:35] thought that would work best since they
[28:36] did all the research to know what grows
[28:39] best and and everything in that area.
[28:41] Uh, but on that, we've just been waiting
[28:44] for the water to be energized and you'll
[28:47] start seeing trees saw, different things
[28:49] go in. The benches have been ordered.
[28:51] You probably seen some pads down there
[28:53] that we've poured. They're selling those
[28:55] this weekend. So anyway, that's just a
[28:58] report on that. I just I know people
[29:00] drive past it and see it sitting there.
[29:02] It's only because we've been waiting for
[29:04] water. That's it. Soon as we have full
[29:06] water, then we'll start planting and do
[29:08] everything. So
[29:09] >> So Tracy, I'm going to ask the question
[29:10] that you're tired of getting asked, but
[29:12] what is the deal with that bridge that's
[29:13] just chilling there on the side of the
[29:15] road?
[29:15] >> That is a development question. Uh so
[29:18] that that honestly is the development
[29:20] that's just east,
[29:22] >> right? It's just been
[29:22] >> and and originally that that trail's
[29:24] supposed to go to that bridge, cut
[29:26] across, go go go through that way, but
[29:28] we honestly got sick of waiting for
[29:30] them.
[29:31] >> And so we're we're turning the trail
[29:33] across 9:30 to capture it. Yeah.
[29:37] >> And we're going to have to put up
[29:38] something temporary but permanent enough
[29:41] that people walking, you know, will have
[29:43] to transition there because you want to
[29:46] go straight and there's it's going into
[29:48] no man's land.
[29:49] >> Yeah. So, it's frustrating, but that's
[29:51] that development that
[29:53] >> Okay.
[29:53] >> That's in charge of putting that in. So,
[29:56] >> before he put in
[29:57] >> Oh, the bridge has been there a long
[29:59] time.
[30:00] >> We've been dealing with that for eight
[30:01] years.
[30:02] >> Yeah. Yeah. So, that's why we've finally
[30:04] just pivoted and said we're going to
[30:06] turn it and we're going to
[30:07] >> get this done. So,
[30:09] >> it is. Now, can you give us a quick
[30:11] update on the short course, how that's
[30:13] >> Sure. Yeah. I I I had a gentleman in
[30:15] from North Carolina last two days who's
[30:16] helping with putting putting everything
[30:19] into into the mapping, you know, part of
[30:22] it. So, not necessarily design, but
[30:25] safety features, different things like
[30:26] that. So, uh Kent's guys have been great
[30:30] or Travis's uh coming up and helping.
[30:33] We're getting to the point now that
[30:34] we'll get all these uh maps back that we
[30:39] can really settle into costs of
[30:42] everything.
[30:44] >> So, uh I should within two week probably
[30:46] by next council meeting really have a
[30:48] feel for not necessarily the layout, but
[30:50] you know how we're going to do this.
[30:52] >> Awesome.
[30:52] >> We're having a blast. I had Dave and
[30:54] Robert up there. Uh yeah, and anytime
[30:57] you guys want to come walk through it,
[30:58] I'd love to give anyone a tour and take
[31:01] any ideas like on retention and diff
[31:03] just different looks and but I I can't
[31:06] say I'm like you do. I'll take your I'll
[31:08] listen to you, but we'll do whatever we
[31:10] want.
[31:10] >> Yeah,
[31:12] >> I'll just I should we'll strike that
[31:14] from the record.
[31:15] >> We'll we'll tell Eric that.
[31:17] >> So, thank you. Thanks, Tracy.
[31:20] >> I know.
[31:29] Well, you're wearing a nice shirt,
[31:30] Janine.
[31:34] » Mayor and Council, I just want to do a
[31:36] shout out of a couple events we have
[31:38] coming up. Um, Arbor Day is the 23rd
[31:43] and it'll be at Memorial Park and we've
[31:45] invited Park View Elementary, third
[31:48] grade. So Wes will talk to the third
[31:50] grade about Arbor Day and about trees
[31:52] and about planting trees and then we'll
[31:55] split
[31:56] >> that is this month. Yep.
[32:00] And then we'll split into groups and u
[32:02] we've had a couple of trees that we've
[32:04] had to take out at Memorial Park. So
[32:06] we'll replace those during that day. So
[32:09] and that's at 100 p.m. And you're all
[32:11] invited
[32:12] >> on the 23rd.
[32:13] >> 23rd. Correct. Yeah. And then Miss Pacin
[32:17] will also join us and she'll hand out
[32:19] cookies and punch to the kids. So it's
[32:22] fun. Um May 5th is Cinco de Mayo. That's
[32:26] a Tuesday and that's at the amphitheater
[32:29] at the Petite Meat and that's from 5 to
[32:31] 9 and you're all invited to that too.
[32:34] Last year we got rained out so we were
[32:37] all up on the stage so it was a we were
[32:40] all it was fun actually. It was we were
[32:43] a part of the presentation so it was
[32:45] exciting. So we're hoping for better
[32:47] weather this year. So okay, thank you.
[32:50] >> Thanks Janine.
[32:51] >> Janine, what was the the times on Cinco
[32:54] de Mayo?
[32:54] >> 5 to 9.
[32:57] >> Thank you.
[33:13] Hello, Mayor and Council. I do have a
[33:15] Taria and it is not for sale
[33:19] despite my wife's wishes.
[33:23] She is trying to sell it while I was in
[33:24] the ER.
[33:28] Um, just to give you let you know a few
[33:31] things. We've got open burning going on
[33:32] right now, which is always a challenge.
[33:34] Everybody wants to burn everything in
[33:35] their their yard and then some. Um, but
[33:38] not everything's allowed to be burned.
[33:39] So, trying to regulate that and have
[33:41] people do it properly. Um, but we've had
[33:45] a few challenges with some of the
[33:46] residents or people with their lovely
[33:49] cell phones see smoke and they call it
[33:51] in just because like burning prunings or
[33:53] something like that in the orchards,
[33:54] they don't like to see smoke or flames
[33:57] so they call it in even though people
[33:58] are following the rules. Um,
[34:01] also to make you aware, we're working on
[34:03] our wildlands reertification. We have to
[34:05] do that with pack test. Um, carrying 45
[34:08] pounds in three miles in 45 minutes or
[34:11] less. So, it's an arduous um test to
[34:14] make sure our people can do that so we
[34:17] can go on federal fires um for extended
[34:19] times. Um, so we're working on that this
[34:22] month. And uh the they opened the gates
[34:24] today up to the ski lift. Um, so for
[34:27] those who don't know where the ski lift
[34:29] is, past the grotto to the parking lot
[34:31] up above. Um, so those are open to that
[34:34] point now.
[34:35] >> Okay. And the question I've been here my
[34:37] whole life, heard that phrase my whole
[34:39] life. Was there ever actually a ski lift
[34:40] up?
[34:41] >> There was. Yes.
[34:42] >> Yes.
[34:42] >> Yep. You can still see some of the
[34:44] concrete up in the trees just east or
[34:46] west of the parking lot. Yeah.
[34:48] >> It went up that hill up towards Pete
[34:50] Winward. Yeah,
[34:52] >> that was in her sc that was in her
[34:53] scavenger hunt last year for adventure
[34:56] day.
[34:57] >> Okay. Okay, cool. Thank you.
[34:59] >> I I skied there all the time. That's how
[35:01] old I am.
[35:02] >> Did you really?
[35:03] >> No.
[35:06] >> I know the gray hair is kind of
[35:07] misleading, isn't it?
[35:09] >> I got out of the ER.
[35:11] >> Exactly. In my own mind, I was.
[35:15] Um the last thing is um Station 92 is
[35:18] coming along really good. We're trying
[35:20] to do the final little tweaks and stuff
[35:21] on the site plan. Um, and what they call
[35:25] the vibe of the the color schemes and
[35:27] stuff inside the station. That's always
[35:30] fun. But it's come along trying to get
[35:32] all the last details and stuff. So
[35:34] hopefully within the next month to two
[35:37] months, we'll have all the design done
[35:38] and and get going here shortly. So
[35:40] things are going really well. So thank
[35:42] you
[35:58] Got any other staff? I thought you were
[35:59] going to get up here, Dave, for a
[36:01] second.
[36:05] » Okay. Okay. If there's no other staff,
[36:08] we'll move to uh council reports. Uh,
[36:11] I'll I'll start with Brian Hullet
[36:13] because I might forget you if I don't do
[36:15] it right now. Go ahead, Brian.
[36:17] >> Yeah, I just have one quick thing is um
[36:20] we uh the downtown organization got a
[36:23] grant from the state to be able to um
[36:26] contract with somebody. So, they
[36:28] contract with Rhonda Hair to be the uh
[36:32] director for downtown. So, I think she
[36:34] contracted to do about 20 hours a week.
[36:39] >> Okay. Thank you. We'll go ahead and
[36:41] start here with uh Lacy. Would you like
[36:45] to
[36:47] >> um I only have a a thank you to the
[36:52] beautiful bright red curb all along the
[36:55] baseball fields and all 14 signs, but
[36:58] one already did get taken out, just so
[37:00] you know.
[37:00] >> Yes. Right on the corner.
[37:02] >> Right on the corner.
[37:03] >> We didn't see it happen, but we know who
[37:05] did it.
[37:05] >> Okay. Anyway, but it looks beautiful.
[37:07] And I will tell you since it's been
[37:09] down, I haven't seen one person parked
[37:11] there. And I do drive that road a lot.
[37:14] Um, and then I just wanted to say this
[37:17] to Sarah because I noticed we all talked
[37:19] after Jim spoke, but I heard what you
[37:22] said and although I have no way of
[37:25] knowing how it all works, if anything,
[37:27] I'm more than happy to talk to whoever
[37:29] because I have a few ideas because I
[37:31] know that there are there is an
[37:33] ordinance with a certain land that if
[37:35] your neighbors agree to the animals,
[37:40] you're allowed to have certain animals
[37:42] on certain sized land. It is bigger, not
[37:45] a halfacre, but so I'm happy to talk to
[37:47] whoever, but I heard you. So, I just
[37:48] wanted to make sure you know. That's
[37:50] all.
[37:52] >> Ryan,
[37:53] >> thank you, Mayor. I just have one little
[37:55] thing. Um, the parking lot for pre-loved
[37:58] and fat cats and whatever else. They're leasing that, correct, from a
[38:04] different owner. Um, as as I notice on
[38:07] the east side, they they had they now have the parking lot fully
[38:12] fenced in. Um, but on the east side
[38:14] there's no access for pedestrians. So,
[38:16] you can only go out where the cars get
[38:17] in, which is on the south side. And
[38:19] that's real tempting for kids and people
[38:21] just to hurry and dart across the road
[38:23] right there. And it's really busy blind
[38:25] corner. And so, I think we need to talk
[38:28] to that landowner about adding um uh
[38:31] access in that fence line on the east
[38:33] side to allow them to to eject the
[38:36] pedestrians right next to the crosswalk
[38:39] on the corner. Uh just on the way down
[38:41] here just right just 20 minutes ago a
[38:45] sweet little family was darting across
[38:46] the road right out from the chain link
[38:48] from that parking lot and there's no
[38:50] crosswalk there. It's really dangerous.
[38:52] That road's getting too busy to do stuff
[38:53] like that. So we need to we need to make
[38:56] sure it's easier and more convenient for
[38:58] people to use the crosswalk right there
[38:59] if those businesses are in fact going to
[39:01] try to make that their parking lot
[39:03] that's across the street.
[39:04] >> Right. And I've got his phone number
[39:05] swiped.
[39:05] >> A raised hand from a very good student.
[39:09] I didn't hear where you said that was
[39:10] at.
[39:11] >> Oh, pre-loved. So, right across the
[39:12] street from uh Fat Jacks to the
[39:16] >> You the old Christmas tree lot. Yes.
[39:18] Yep.
[39:19] >> Yep.
[39:21] >> I' I've got I've got his phone number,
[39:23] so I'll be glad to contact.
[39:25] >> Excellent.
[39:26] >> Just Just a little bit of history there,
[39:28] too. they approached me about that and
[39:30] uh and so what I I did is I had Jonathan
[39:34] from our our staff uh show what a you
[39:39] know a parking lot should look like and
[39:40] they could not access access that from
[39:43] the highway. It had to come off of Utah
[39:45] Avenue, but that that's just for cars.
[39:47] So
[39:47] >> yeah, right. We need to Yeah, the they
[39:49] need to make access on Main Street for
[39:52] pedestrians. I'll be glad. I I need to
[39:54] talk to you about some other issues with
[39:56] you.
[39:57] >> And that's all I have.
[40:00] >> Okay.
[40:01] I don't have much either. I just
[40:02] want to thank our staff. They're always
[40:04] so willing to answer my phone calls and
[40:06] answer my questions. And you guys are so
[40:08] wonderful to work with and um kind
[40:12] knowledgeable and professional and um so
[40:15] thank you so much. And I echo what Lacy
[40:18] said about the goats and um what Sarah
[40:22] said. So I I'm willing to look into that
[40:25] as well. So thanks so much. That's all
[40:29] I've got.
[40:30] >> Okay. Thank you. We'll go ahead and move
[40:32] on to e action items. Public hearing
[40:35] amendments to the fiscal year 2025 2026
[40:39] budget. Kathy.
[40:44] » Yeah, she's right there. Yep.
[40:50] » Did I surprise you?
[40:54] >> Okay.
[40:57] >> Try and get it up before I see myself on
[40:59] the screen.
[41:02] Let's see if I can get it up here. There
[41:04] we go.
[41:06] Okay. I put together a quick p quick
[41:09] PowerPoint will come up. Um,
[41:18] it's not to
[41:24] Sorry. I apologize. You're fine. We'll
[41:26] get there. Okay. Some of these concepts
[41:29] are just a little bit thick. So, I
[41:30] thought it'd be easier to to talk
[41:32] through them a little bit.
[41:36] So, this is the budget adjustments, the
[41:38] expenditure side that we're proposing.
[41:41] Um just I'm not going to hit every one
[41:43] of them. Some of them are
[41:44] self-explanatory, but these are kind of
[41:46] some of the unusual ones. So in item
[41:49] three, initially we thought that the
[41:51] fire truck was a qualifiable expense
[41:54] under the uh public safety impact fees.
[41:56] We found out that the only portion that
[41:58] we can pay out of park or public safety
[42:01] impact fees is the commercial portion.
[42:04] So, what we're going to do because we
[42:06] expect an audit on impact fees this
[42:08] year, we're going to transfer funds from
[42:11] the revolving loan fund back to the park
[42:13] or the public safety impact fees and
[42:16] then over time we're going to pay that
[42:18] back to the revolving loan fund through
[42:19] an internal loan from the fire
[42:21] department.
[42:22] >> So, so residential impact fees cannot
[42:25] help pay for a firetruck.
[42:27] >> No, just the commercial.
[42:28] >> That is that is
[42:30] >> that is silliness. Oh, that's
[42:31] >> that doesn't make any sense. Yeah,
[42:33] >> right.
[42:33] >> Who decided that? The legislature.
[42:36] >> Yep.
[42:37] >> They don't have any houses.
[42:38] >> Sometimes they don't make any sense.
[42:40] >> That's something needs to be looked at.
[42:41] >> Wow. So, item four, this is an agreement
[42:44] with Arowopath Ranch to pay for park
[42:46] improvements. This is coming from the
[42:48] park impact fees.
[42:50] >> Um, so in the enterprise funds, as you
[42:54] know, enterprise funds are like
[42:55] self-supporting businesses. So, when we
[42:58] did the downtown main street, we did a
[43:00] lot of infrastructure. we did sewer
[43:03] improvements, water improvements, all
[43:05] that. So, this um adjustment is to allow
[43:09] us to um transfer those funds back to
[43:12] the enterprise fund so they can
[43:14] recognize the assets in the enterprise
[43:16] funds.
[43:19] Um items 9 through 10, as you know, um
[43:23] cities are limited to 35% of fund
[43:26] balance. And in the budget this year for
[43:28] 26, we actually budgeted out of the uh
[43:34] the sales tax off the energy tax is fund
[43:37] 24. Um that fund does not have
[43:40] sufficient funds to transfer excess fund
[43:42] balance over to the capital fund. So I'm
[43:45] proposing we move that budget adjustment
[43:47] back to the general fund. And it I tried
[43:49] to illustrate it at the bottom net
[43:52] effect. So as I said the initial fund
[43:55] was budgeted out of the fund 24 but the
[43:58] net effect of adding the two use of fund
[44:02] reserves will be the same. So it's it's
[44:04] a net zero. It's just from department to
[44:06] department.
[44:10] The fire station funding um last year as
[44:12] you know we increased property taxes to
[44:15] allow for the debt service on half the
[44:18] cost of the fire station. Um, we haven't
[44:21] bonded yet. So, we have those funds
[44:23] sitting in the general fund. I'd like to
[44:25] move them over to the capital fund, hold
[44:27] them in a reserve account until we have
[44:28] that debt service come come through.
[44:32] >> And Kathy, I want to make a mention on
[44:33] this uh item 11. And just reiterate to
[44:36] the residents. Here's here's the proof.
[44:39] The the property tax increase that we
[44:42] approved, that's the money right there
[44:44] going straight to the fire station just
[44:46] like we promised. It's not being spent
[44:47] in other areas. It is. We sold it as as furnishing the debt for the fire
[44:53] station and that's exactly what that
[44:55] money is earmarked and what it's doing.
[44:57] Nothing else.
[44:57] >> Yep.
[44:59] >> Glad you pointed that out.
[45:01] >> So item 12 um this is all the general
[45:05] fund um departments. They're in separate
[45:08] funds, but at the end of the year we
[45:10] roll them up into the general fund. So
[45:12] the fund balance of all these little
[45:14] funds is essentially the fund balance of
[45:16] the general fund. As you know, in the uh
[45:20] petite neat, we budgeted for the
[45:22] bathroom remodel and did not expend all
[45:24] those funds. Um Carl thought it would
[45:27] pro be prudent to use those funds to
[45:29] epoxy the floor of the pool. Some of the
[45:32] reasons are that we're kind of competing
[45:34] with Spanish Fort. We'd like to keep the
[45:36] facility up and keep it nice. This is
[45:39] only the current year budget. It doesn't
[45:42] affect any future projects in the petite
[45:44] need or anything else. And there's no
[45:46] other um planned projects in the petite
[45:49] neat. So this is just to allow Carl to
[45:51] use those funds for that purpose
[45:55] in this budget year. Yeah, we have more
[45:57] projects budgeted next year for the
[45:59] petite meat. Um and just to let you
[46:01] know, we are planning one more open
[46:03] budget in June and that's going to true
[46:05] up all the funds so that we're in
[46:07] compliance with state audit and all that
[46:10] kind of good stuff. So, and we may have
[46:13] to depending on if all the projects that
[46:16] we have budgeted this year get done or
[46:18] not, might have to transfer more fund
[46:20] balance over to this capital fund.
[46:23] That allows the council with the
[46:25] guidance of Robert and Dave to um
[46:28] allocate on new projects and allows us
[46:30] to do new capital projects so it doesn't
[46:32] go to waste.
[46:34] And that's all I've got.
[46:36] >> Okay. Council, any questions?
[46:39] >> Thanks.
[46:40] >> Okay. We'll go ahead uh and if we need
[46:43] if it's for some more questions, we can
[46:45] do that, too. But I'll accept a motion
[46:46] to open the public hearing.
[46:48] >> I motion that we open the public
[46:50] hearing.
[46:51] >> Is there a second?
[46:52] >> I second that.
[46:53] >> Second. Okay. Roll call vote.
[46:56] >> Starting with council Helet?
[46:58] >> Yes.
[47:00] >> Council Moss,
[47:00] >> yes.
[47:01] >> Council,
[47:02] >> yes.
[47:02] >> Council Smith,
[47:03] >> yes.
[47:04] >> Okay,
[47:04] >> motion carries and uh we'll open up a
[47:07] public hearing. Step to the mic, please.
[47:08] State your name and address and speak
[47:10] clearly.
[47:12] Let me your comments if you can to about
[47:14] 3 minutes. Uh let me your comments to
[47:16] whether you agree or disagree with we've
[47:18] just heard from from Kathy our financial
[47:22] director. So we'll go ahead and open it
[47:24] up.
[47:27] Okay. Not seeing anyone here that is
[47:30] going to address this. Is there anybody
[47:31] online? Okay. I'll accept a motion to
[47:35] close the public hearing.
[47:36] >> Hey. A motion to close the public
[47:37] hearing. I'll second.
[47:39] >> Okay.
[47:41] Uh, I'll go ahead and just just All in
[47:43] favor say I.
[47:44] >> I.
[47:45] >> Yes.
[47:45] >> Any opposed?
[47:52] » Ex mayor call on me.
[47:55] >> He must oppose.
[47:58] >> Yeah, that's enable. Okay, moving on.
[48:02] We'll go ahead and close the public
[48:03] hearing. Um, any other discussion? just
[48:07] thank you for for keeping track of the
[48:09] finances. That's the most important part
[48:11] of of our city of of handling the the
[48:13] funds of the residents and and again,
[48:15] I'm just so excited to see the the
[48:17] specifically earmarked money that we promised that would go to the
[48:21] fire station is is there being held and
[48:23] going to work for us in the future once
[48:25] we bond for that.
[48:28] And I'm excited to see some something
[48:30] come in under budget and use those funds
[48:32] uh somewhere else like at the pool as
[48:34] well.
[48:36] That's wonderful. That's awesome.
[48:38] >> Yeah, those those improvements at
[48:40] Petitney were very badly needed and
[48:43] they're they're very nice.
[48:44] >> Yeah.
[48:46] >> Okay.
[48:48] Then I'm ready for a motion on this
[48:49] item.
[48:51] >> Mayor, I motion that we approve the
[48:54] amendments to the fiscal year 2025 2026
[48:57] budget that has been just been presented
[48:59] to us.
[49:00] >> I'll second.
[49:01] >> Yeah, I have a motion and seconded. The
[49:03] roll call vote starting with council
[49:04] Smith. Yes.
[49:05] >> Council Roelly.
[49:06] >> Yes. Council
[49:07] >> Moss.
[49:07] >> Yes.
[49:08] >> Council Hullet.
[49:09] >> Yes.
[49:10] >> Thank you. Motion carries.
[49:13] Moving on to number two. Resolution.
[49:15] Economic Development Board appointments.
[49:19] That's up to you, Robert.
[49:24] Council member Hillet, would you like to
[49:25] introduce these people or do you want me
[49:27] to do it?
[49:28] >> Go ahead, Robert.
[49:29] >> Okay. Great.
[49:31] We are so grateful to have um three new
[49:34] members uh to be recommended to the
[49:37] economic development board. Uh first of
[49:40] all, uh Lindseay Hughes. Uh she will be
[49:43] representing Neibo School District. Uh
[49:45] we're so excited to have a
[49:47] representative from the school district
[49:48] join us. Again, their input is very
[49:51] important. Uh Joseph Hansen is a
[49:54] resident of PAC and has been involved in
[49:57] many different things and we're excited
[49:58] to have him. And then Sean Pickup uh is
[50:01] a business owner in PAC Pacado. And uh
[50:06] Sean has served uh for quite some time
[50:09] on the business retention committee. Uh
[50:11] been really helpful and don't think
[50:13] you're going anywhere from that
[50:15] committee. So we're going to keep him on
[50:17] there. But we're so excited for these uh
[50:20] people and grateful for their
[50:22] willingness to serve and just recommend
[50:23] them to you as the council to be on the
[50:25] board.
[50:26] >> Okay. Um Sean, you want to stand up?
[50:29] You're the only one here, I think.
[50:32] >> And then um yeah, we have them ready to
[50:35] accept that.
[50:36] >> Okay,
[50:37] >> we'll need to approve before we
[50:40] >> Yeah, that's we we need to make them
[50:41] take action.
[50:42] >> Okay, any council discussion? Okay. Uh
[50:47] >> thank you everyone for willing us to
[50:49] serve on these committees and boards.
[50:51] >> So I'll accept a motion on this item.
[50:57] I was going to see if Brian wanted to do
[50:59] this one, but uh Brian, you want to make
[51:02] the motion?
[51:03] >> Okay, I'll make a motion that we approve
[51:04] the three that we just talked about to
[51:07] the economic development board.
[51:10] >> I'll second.
[51:11] >> Okay, we have got a motion been
[51:12] seconded. The roll call vote started
[51:14] with Council Helet.
[51:17] >> Yes.
[51:18] >> Council Moss,
[51:19] >> yes.
[51:19] >> Councelor Early,
[51:20] >> yes.
[51:20] >> Council Smith,
[51:21] >> yes.
[51:21] >> Good motion carries. Are you ready,
[51:24] Emily?
[51:58] Done. Congratulations.
[52:07] Okay, moving on to number three. A
[52:09] resolution board of adjustment
[52:11] appointment and the oath of office. Uh
[52:15] council make a recommendation of Rick
[52:18] Johnson to be part of the board of uh
[52:22] adjustments. Any discussion on that
[52:25] action?
[52:28] Okay,
[52:29] then I'm ready for a motion on on this
[52:31] item.
[52:33] Mayor, I motion that we approve the
[52:35] board of adjustment appointment of Rick
[52:37] Johnson.
[52:39] >> A second.
[52:39] >> Okay. Have a motion seconded. Roll call
[52:41] vote starting with council Smith.
[52:43] >> Yes.
[52:44] >> Council Roelly.
[52:45] >> Yes.
[52:45] >> Council Moss.
[52:46] >> Yes.
[52:46] >> Council Heer.
[52:47] >> Yes.
[52:48] >> Wonderful. Motion carries. Are you
[52:50] ready, Rick? Come on up.
[53:08] Congratulations.
[53:36] Okay, moving on to number four. Another
[53:38] resolution, the planning commission
[53:40] appointments and oath of office. Uh,
[53:43] I'll go ahead and take this one. Uh,
[53:46] ladies and gentlemen, we we we had I
[53:48] can't can't remember how many we had.
[53:50] How many do we have? About five or six,
[53:51] maybe more than that.
[53:54] >> Six or seven applications to be part of
[53:58] the planning commission. We had some
[54:00] great great uh uh people that that
[54:03] wanted to be part of the planning
[54:05] commission. The end result uh is that we
[54:09] decided that it would be well for us to
[54:12] maintain the the two that uh were up for
[54:16] renewal and so Ryan Frisbee and Perry
[54:18] Adams is the those uh that two that have
[54:22] been nominated to be again part of the
[54:24] planning commission.
[54:26] council have any uh discussion about
[54:28] this particular item?
[54:30] >> I'm I'm happy to see that these two fine
[54:32] gentlemen decide to to stay on and
[54:34] reapply. I think we're in an important
[54:36] space on the planning commission and in
[54:38] city at the city as we change. So, thank
[54:40] you both for your willingness to to keep
[54:42] serving in this capacity. It's such an
[54:44] important commission
[54:47] >> that ditto.
[54:49] So, uh I'll ask for a motion.
[54:54] Mayor, I motion that we approve the
[54:56] planning commission appointments of Ryan
[54:58] Frisbee and Perry Adams.
[55:00] >> Okay. Is there a second?
[55:02] >> I'll second.
[55:02] >> Okay. Motion been made and seconded. Uh
[55:06] roll co starting with council Helet.
[55:09] >> Council Moss.
[55:10] >> Yes.
[55:10] >> Council Rowley.
[55:11] >> Yes.
[55:12] >> Council Smith.
[55:13] >> Yes.
[55:13] >> Wonderful. The motion carries.
[55:17] And we'll go ahead and have Emily do her
[55:20] thing. Come on up, man. Gentlemen,
[55:25] again, appreciate you being willing to be part of planning commission.
[55:29] You're doing a great job.
[55:43] Swear that I will support
[55:44] >> obey and defend the United States
[55:53] » state of Utah.
[56:07] » Congratulations. Thank you.
[56:26] Okay, moving on to number five.
[56:27] Resolution intend to submit an opinion
[56:31] question to face and residents regarding
[56:33] the PRC tax park tax and notice to Utah
[56:39] County. I don't see Carl here, but
[56:41] Brandon, are you going to address us on
[56:43] it?
[56:43] >> I can take it. Okay,
[56:49] » because the rumor was Carl was going to
[56:51] have this presentation with all the
[56:53] beautiful things that the park tax had
[56:56] purchased and gone towards in the past
[56:57] and I was like that that would be great
[57:00] but looks like he's not here. Um, so the resolutions that are in the packet
[57:06] are um to renew uh the park tax. every
[57:11] 10 years it expires and we have to renew
[57:13] it and resubmit it to the voters. So the
[57:16] first step in that is determining
[57:18] whether the city can actually place the
[57:19] question on the ballot. So we have to
[57:20] send a notice of intent to Utah County
[57:23] and once it goes through the Utah County
[57:26] Commission saying that they're not going
[57:27] to pass a countywide park tax then they
[57:30] give us the okay to put it on the
[57:32] ballot. And then the second resolution
[57:34] in there is the um question that would
[57:37] go on the ballot. Shall Pacin City enact
[57:39] a a tax of onetenth of uh a cent on
[57:43] sales to go towards the the park tax? So
[57:45] the park
[57:47] uh parks, arts, recreation, and
[57:51] can't remember C, but also known as the
[57:53] zap tax, zoo arts and parks. Um uh I
[57:57] think it's one of the most um visual
[57:59] representations of where a tax money
[58:01] goes that we can see it in the
[58:02] community. Um, so with your vote on
[58:05] those uh on these items tonight, we
[58:08] would send uh the resolution to Utah
[58:10] County to get their go ahead and then
[58:13] get their approval for the ballot
[58:14] language. So, uh it's actually due June
[58:17] 30th. We're just getting ahead of the
[58:18] curve here in April to be ready in time
[58:20] for it.
[58:21] >> Yeah, I might mention that as you say,
[58:22] it's the one of the most visual uh tax
[58:25] results that we can we can find. We've
[58:28] and then some of the things that uh
[58:30] we've done connect the walking trails
[58:34] that go underneath the the highway going
[58:36] to Spring Lake cover for playground
[58:40] equipment or pickup courts
[58:42] >> courts
[58:43] >> music for the uh pace and band uh for
[58:47] the concert concert and on Sundays u so
[58:52] there's there's a lot of things that
[58:54] it's a very beneficial use of the
[58:58] I I'm a
[58:59] >> we've collected over
[59:00] >> Go ahead.
[59:00] >> We've collected over $3 million since
[59:03] that been in place for that goes back to
[59:06] our community.
[59:07] And nice thing is too is that anybody
[59:10] that shops at Walmart, whether they live
[59:12] in Pac or not, that goes into our
[59:14] community.
[59:17] » With this with the the opinion question,
[59:20] I anticipate that'll be some sort of
[59:22] survey we send out to the to the
[59:24] residents. Is that what that is?
[59:26] >> It would go on the ballot for them to
[59:28] vote on the election in November.
[59:30] >> Okay. Are we going to send any survey?
[59:32] Have we talked about that at all? I just
[59:34] I really want to make sure we educate
[59:35] the residents on this park tax because
[59:37] it's a wonderful thing. It's not a new
[59:39] tax. It's just a portion of the sales
[59:42] tax and we we desperately need it to
[59:44] continue to help quality of life and
[59:46] parks and everything else in our city.
[59:47] >> Yep. Great great question. Um, we can't
[59:50] necessarily have an opinion on whether
[59:51] people should do that or not, but Carl
[59:54] has prepared a really, really great
[59:56] video that goes through and demonstrates
[59:59] all of the projects that we've been able
[1:00:01] to do be uh in part because of these
[1:00:04] funds. And I think that will be very
[1:00:05] helpful. Uh, if people want to, you
[1:00:08] know, get together and and
[1:00:11] campaign for it, we can provide a lot of
[1:00:13] information about what has been done
[1:00:15] with that money. We just can't as a as a
[1:00:18] city influence a vote. Okay.
[1:00:21] >> Right. Okay.
[1:00:22] >> I can't put that video. Sorry.
[1:00:23] >> No, go ahead.
[1:00:24] >> Oh, we'll put the video on our web page,
[1:00:26] right? And on our Facebook page and
[1:00:28] stuff because it's actually just
[1:00:30] detailing all of the the information and
[1:00:33] how that money has been expended in our
[1:00:35] community. We totally can do that.
[1:00:38] >> And I'll echo what Ryan said. It's not a
[1:00:40] new tax. It's just the usage of that
[1:00:42] money that's there. And I that's part of
[1:00:45] the checklist is there is a part of that
[1:00:48] the the code uh the state code allows us
[1:00:50] to do is an education
[1:00:53] >> campaign get the word out there what it's for what it's been used for.
[1:00:57] Yeah. So that that that is a component
[1:00:59] of the overall process.
[1:01:00] >> Correct me if I'm wrong. We've used some
[1:01:01] of those uh uh uh the monies from gener
[1:01:05] generated from there to improve the the
[1:01:07] park trails, the
[1:01:08] >> the trails, the benches,
[1:01:11] >> remove the asphalt and real nice uh
[1:01:13] cement trails.
[1:01:15] >> Okay.
[1:01:16] >> So, when we did this before when we
[1:01:17] first put it on the ballot, uh we had a group of citizens that got together
[1:01:23] and met once in a while and and really
[1:01:26] pushed it as group of citizens. So, I
[1:01:28] think we could do that again.
[1:01:30] Let's Let's do that'd be excellent.
[1:01:36] » Okay. Got anything else for us, Brendon?
[1:01:38] >> No.
[1:01:38] >> Okay. Any any further discussion,
[1:01:41] council?
[1:01:42] >> Okay. I'm ready for a motion.
[1:01:44] >> I'll make a motion that we approve the
[1:01:47] putting the um on the ballot the um the
[1:01:51] park tax opinion and also send it to the
[1:01:54] county, get their approval that we can
[1:01:56] do that.
[1:01:58] >> I'll second. I'll second.
[1:02:00] >> We have a motion been seconded. Uh roll
[1:02:02] coal starting with council Hullet.
[1:02:05] >> Yes.
[1:02:06] >> Council Moss.
[1:02:07] >> Yes.
[1:02:07] >> Council Roelly.
[1:02:09] >> Yes.
[1:02:09] >> And council Smith.
[1:02:10] >> Yes.
[1:02:10] >> Wonderful. Motion carries. Thank you.
[1:02:13] We'll move on to number six. Ordinance
[1:02:15] code amendments to various sections of
[1:02:17] the title 12 subdivision regulations of
[1:02:21] the pace and city code regarding
[1:02:22] residential density. Michael.
[1:02:27] >> Thank you. Mayor and council. Um, this
[1:02:29] presentation is really short because the
[1:02:31] bulk of it is the text and the things
[1:02:33] that you see in your packets. It's going
[1:02:35] to be a presentation for all five of
[1:02:37] these upcoming agenda items. They are
[1:02:39] separate agenda items to vote on, but I
[1:02:42] would also uh caution you that if you're
[1:02:44] voting on one, you should consider them
[1:02:46] as a whole because they all affect each
[1:02:48] other. But let me let me pull that up
[1:02:50] really quickly.
[1:02:54] Um, if if you want to read them all,
[1:02:56] that's fine. there. I'll sh I'll share
[1:02:57] them in the presentation too. So, tonight we have title 12 subdivision
[1:03:17] regulations, title 13 zoning, the
[1:03:21] general plan, the Spring Creek area
[1:03:23] specific plan, and the South Meadows
[1:03:26] area specific plan. And all of these are
[1:03:30] um related to density and how that's
[1:03:33] defined, how it's uh identified on our
[1:03:36] maps, and our plans in our documents.
[1:03:39] Uh city council's role tonight would be
[1:03:41] to make a decision on this whether or
[1:03:43] not to approve it, deny it, table it, uh
[1:03:46] approve it with modifications. We're
[1:03:48] open to all of those. Um it did have a
[1:03:51] public hearing at planning commission.
[1:03:53] It was voted unanimously for a positive
[1:03:55] recommendation of approval. I noticed
[1:03:58] when I was putting this presentation
[1:03:59] together, I did not put the planning
[1:04:01] commission minutes in the packet, but
[1:04:03] the minutes consist of that last
[1:04:05] paragraph right there on this item. So,
[1:04:08] it's uh some brief comments that the
[1:04:11] commissioners had about this and then
[1:04:13] they voted uh unanimously to approve it.
[1:04:16] and Michael, thank you for including the
[1:04:18] planning commission's uh conversation
[1:04:20] and vote right here in the in the
[1:04:23] PowerPoint. Thank you.
[1:04:24] >> Sure.
[1:04:27] » Um I talked about this a little bit. Um
[1:04:30] each of these requests are all related
[1:04:32] to density and how it's defined and
[1:04:34] identified and viewed in these
[1:04:37] documents.
[1:04:38] um
[1:04:40] units per acre, for example, the word
[1:04:43] density, gross density, net density, all
[1:04:45] of that staff looked at to try to create
[1:04:48] a cohesive, clear understanding of how
[1:04:51] these would be interpreted in all of
[1:04:52] these documents.
[1:04:55] So, with that, if this council wants to
[1:04:58] look at any particular documents, I can
[1:05:00] close this presentation and pull those
[1:05:02] up. Um I it's kind of up to you how how
[1:05:05] you want to proceed at this point.
[1:05:09] Can I ask um
[1:05:13] this may be a really dumb question
[1:05:15] maybe, but
[1:05:17] from the planning and development,
[1:05:22] do you see this as a good thing because
[1:05:24] it helps clarify
[1:05:27] or what is like the idea behind so many
[1:05:32] changes? Um, like for me it was there
[1:05:34] were certain things that I myself was
[1:05:38] I felt like it could have been
[1:05:41] understood
[1:05:42] differently by other people like the way
[1:05:44] that I kept reading it over and over
[1:05:46] again and there was just some things
[1:05:47] that so that's I'm just curious from
[1:05:50] like your guys's if if that's allowed or
[1:05:53] >> we have often u conversation with
[1:05:56] property owners, prospective builders,
[1:05:58] developers, that sort of a thing. most
[1:06:01] of the time they want to look at gross
[1:06:04] density, meaning all of the entirety of
[1:06:07] the property over what's buildable and
[1:06:10] excluding roads, things like that. And
[1:06:12] so we want to clearly define that
[1:06:14] throughout all of these documents. Um,
[1:06:17] we had our consultant that's working on
[1:06:19] our uh zoning code amendments for us and
[1:06:23] our our revisions of our zoning code
[1:06:25] look at titles 12 and 13 and and provide
[1:06:28] feedback. um in your packets. Um
[1:06:32] there is all of her her edits and
[1:06:34] suggested changes I believe are in
[1:06:36] purple and then staff looked at it again
[1:06:40] um with our attorney and we kind of
[1:06:43] changed a few minor things here and
[1:06:45] there. But um hopefully that answers
[1:06:47] your question. But the idea is to to
[1:06:49] bring clarity to uh council to uh
[1:06:52] planning commission to staff and to
[1:06:54] prospective developers.
[1:06:56] And I think the main goal here of of
[1:06:58] specifically the code rewrite, but just
[1:07:00] specifically these codes too, is is to
[1:07:03] remove any subjectivity of of
[1:07:06] assumptions or or loopholes or there's no more surprises. It's cleancut
[1:07:11] of what the density means, what's there,
[1:07:14] and that way there's no surprises for
[1:07:16] the developer or more importantly for
[1:07:17] the city. And that that's what I saw as
[1:07:20] I read through that. And Michael, can
[1:07:21] you uh can you confirm are we are we
[1:07:25] removing all mentions of or or ideas of
[1:07:29] gross density and moving to net density
[1:07:31] or what did you what you guys
[1:07:33] >> what we're doing is there's she
[1:07:35] recommended striking both gross and net
[1:07:38] density out and creating a definition
[1:07:40] titled density. And so that's that new
[1:07:42] language that's in there. And then how
[1:07:44] we are going to calculate density is
[1:07:46] that definition not using the others.
[1:07:49] There is also um a definition specific
[1:07:53] in the RMF zone, the multif family zone
[1:07:56] talking about how density is going to be
[1:07:58] addressed for multif family development.
[1:08:00] >> Okay, for a simple mind such as myself,
[1:08:03] how are we identifying density now with
[1:08:05] the code changes proposed? So
[1:08:07] essentially anything that's not
[1:08:08] buildable, we want to exclude, but we
[1:08:11] want to reward developers if they're
[1:08:13] having open space and park space, such
[1:08:16] like that, but we we don't want them to
[1:08:18] have credit for unbuildable space. We
[1:08:20] don't want them to have credit for their
[1:08:22] roads, that sort of a thing. And so
[1:08:24] that's that's the intent of what we want
[1:08:25] to do. We we want to see that open space
[1:08:28] and and dedicated parks. And so we want
[1:08:30] to let them have density for that even
[1:08:32] if they're not building on those
[1:08:34] properties. like no credit for wetlands
[1:08:37] that are
[1:08:37] >> correct
[1:08:38] >> just going to be mosquito wetlands.
[1:08:40] >> Yeah, correct.
[1:08:41] >> Which which I'm I'm all for uh giving
[1:08:43] them some credit like you said for the
[1:08:45] green space and the parks and stuff, but
[1:08:47] yeah, giving having them the ability to
[1:08:50] call wet space and then skew the whole
[1:08:53] lot sizes and and homes. That was a
[1:08:55] heartburn for me. So, I'm glad that
[1:08:56] we're relieving that. And and for
[1:08:59] clarification of the public, council has
[1:09:02] all of this, but we're we're trying to
[1:09:04] move from a a units per acre on our maps
[1:09:06] and in our plans to the most appropriate
[1:09:10] zone we feel that plan is trying to
[1:09:13] achieve. And so we try to put a zoning
[1:09:16] designation in our from our zoning code
[1:09:19] in each of those plans where it makes
[1:09:21] sense.
[1:09:23] >> Okay? Okay. And so when a developer
[1:09:24] comes before us and let's just say they ask for a zone change. Okay. Um
[1:09:31] with with the current code, we can point
[1:09:33] to units per acre uh and and use that as a backs stopper of going one way or
[1:09:40] another. If we have specific zones for
[1:09:43] specific areas,
[1:09:45] how how can we use that as ammunition to
[1:09:47] either protect or incentivize uh
[1:09:49] residents or builders?
[1:09:52] Well, I think the intent of the the plan
[1:09:54] with these changes would be that that
[1:09:57] would be the understanding that that
[1:09:58] zone would be assigned when a zone
[1:10:02] change were to happen. There's still the
[1:10:05] plan is just that it's a plan. It's a
[1:10:07] guiding document. You can still make a
[1:10:09] different decision, but the idea is it's
[1:10:12] trying to meet what we originally had in
[1:10:14] there of say four units to the acre.
[1:10:16] We're interpreting that generally as R
[1:10:20] 110, so the 10,000 square foot lots.
[1:10:24] >> And so
[1:10:25] >> we just want it to be clear in that
[1:10:27] regard. Uh it gets harder with
[1:10:29] multifamily because how how do you do
[1:10:32] that? They don't actually have a lot and
[1:10:35] so that we still have to have that
[1:10:37] definition of how we're going to define
[1:10:39] density there.
[1:10:40] >> Okay. Very good. Thank Is that why on
[1:10:42] the Spring Creek the residential units
[1:10:45] went to to be determined because prior
[1:10:49] it had
[1:10:51] >> amounts? So I guess like that when I saw
[1:10:54] that that was my only like hesitation of
[1:10:56] like well how many lots now how many
[1:10:58] homes are going to be in there you know
[1:10:59] and so that was
[1:11:00] >> so who determines it.
[1:11:02] >> Yeah I didn't like that's where it comes back to the zone
[1:11:06] that is assigned.
[1:11:08] >> Okay. So, if it's zoned R110, then every
[1:11:11] single lot has to be 10,000 square feet unless
[1:11:15] >> there's some development agreement that
[1:11:16] changes that or a master plan or
[1:11:18] something that that they can do
[1:11:19] something different.
[1:11:20] >> So, it could technically be less than
[1:11:22] what was proposed before because now
[1:11:23] non-usable land would be removed.
[1:11:26] >> it could be.
[1:11:29] >> The Spring Creek plan was very good at
[1:11:33] identifying developable land and so I
[1:11:36] think it's pretty accurate. We just
[1:11:38] wanted to streamline through all of the
[1:11:40] plans and the ordinances the same kind
[1:11:43] of language. And so the Spring Creek
[1:11:45] didn't have much to actually put into
[1:11:47] it.
[1:11:49] >> And so Michael, so we're we're changing
[1:11:51] the general plan and then
[1:11:52] subsequentially we're we're changing all
[1:11:54] the specific area plans that it needed
[1:11:57] to be changed with the language.
[1:11:58] Correct.
[1:11:59] >> Okay.
[1:11:59] >> There is um I want to say it's in the
[1:12:03] South Meadows plan. There's a section
[1:12:04] toward the I think it's the very last
[1:12:07] page in your packet on that South
[1:12:09] Meadows talking about the executive
[1:12:12] style homes and the density such there.
[1:12:15] I don't think anything needs to change
[1:12:16] there. I just was calling it out to you
[1:12:19] because it does say units per acre, but
[1:12:21] then they also talk about a lot size
[1:12:23] there. So, we probably don't need to
[1:12:25] change anything there. I just wanted to
[1:12:26] bring it up so that you can see that
[1:12:28] there and if you felt there was a need,
[1:12:30] we could do that there.
[1:12:34] looked like a lot of work.
[1:12:35] >> It was fun through that. So, thank you.
[1:12:37] This is so important we do this though
[1:12:38] and and and remove any assumptions from
[1:12:41] either side. No surprises.
[1:12:44] >> Okay. Any other discussions?
[1:12:47] They're all interconnected. So, uh
[1:12:49] >> you need a separate motion for each.
[1:12:51] >> Yep. So, we'll just go through them and
[1:12:52] then we'll
[1:12:54] >> take turn.
[1:12:57] >> Okay. I'm ready for unless there's any
[1:12:59] further discussion. I'm ready for a
[1:13:01] motion on this particular item.
[1:13:03] >> Take the first one.
[1:13:04] >> Okay.
[1:13:05] >> Turn your mic on and
[1:13:06] >> that we approve the
[1:13:08] >> mic. Mic just turn it on.
[1:13:11] >> Sorry. There we go.
[1:13:12] >> I always remember except for just
[1:13:15] >> um Okay, I'll start over. Mayor, I I
[1:13:17] motion that we approve um the code
[1:13:20] amendments to various sections of title
[1:13:22] 12 subdivision regulations of the PAC
[1:13:23] and city code regarding residential
[1:13:26] density. I'll second.
[1:13:28] >> Do we have a motion been seconded? Roll
[1:13:30] call vote starting with Lacy.
[1:13:32] >> Yes.
[1:13:33] >> Brian,
[1:13:34] >> yes. And
[1:13:35] >> yes.
[1:13:36] >> And
[1:13:38] >> yes.
[1:13:38] >> Brian.
[1:13:40] >> The guy online.
[1:13:41] >> Yeah. Brian, did you say yes?
[1:13:43] >> Yes, I did.
[1:13:44] >> Okay. Motion carries. Thank you.
[1:13:46] >> Mayor, I make a motion that we approve
[1:13:48] the code amendments to various sections
[1:13:49] of title 13 zoning of the PAC city code
[1:13:52] regarding residential density.
[1:13:55] >> I'll second that one.
[1:13:56] >> Okay. We have a motion been seconded.
[1:13:58] Roll call vote starting with Brian.
[1:14:00] >> Yes.
[1:14:02] >> And
[1:14:02] >> yes.
[1:14:03] >> Brian.
[1:14:04] >> Yes.
[1:14:05] >> Wonderful. Motion carries. Going on
[1:14:07] number eight.
[1:14:09] >> Mayor, I motion that we approve the
[1:14:10] general plan amendment to various
[1:14:12] sections sections of the general plan
[1:14:14] regarding residential density.
[1:14:17] >> I'll second.
[1:14:18] >> Okay. Motion and a second. Roll call
[1:14:21] vote starting with council Smith.
[1:14:23] >> Yes.
[1:14:24] >> Council Roelly. Yes.
[1:14:25] >> Council Moss.
[1:14:26] >> Yes.
[1:14:26] >> Council Heer.
[1:14:27] >> Yes.
[1:14:29] >> Wonderful. Motion carries. Moving on to
[1:14:32] number nine.
[1:14:34] >> I'll take this one.
[1:14:35] >> Okay.
[1:14:36] >> Mayor, I motion that we approve the
[1:14:37] general plan amendment to the Spring
[1:14:39] Creek area specific plan for various
[1:14:41] sections regarding density.
[1:14:44] >> I second.
[1:14:46] >> Okay. We have a motion been seconded.
[1:14:48] Roll call vote starting with council.
[1:14:52] >> Yes.
[1:14:54] What was that?
[1:14:55] >> Yes.
[1:14:57] >> Council Moss.
[1:14:57] >> Yes.
[1:14:58] >> Council Rowling.
[1:14:58] >> Yes.
[1:14:59] >> Council Smith.
[1:15:00] >> Yes.
[1:15:00] >> Motion carries. Thank you. Number 10.
[1:15:02] >> I'll motion that we approve the general
[1:15:05] plan amendment to the South Meadows area
[1:15:07] specific plan for various sections
[1:15:10] regarding density.
[1:15:11] >> I'll second.
[1:15:12] >> Okay. I have a motion been seconded.
[1:15:14] Roll call vote. Starting with Council
[1:15:17] Smith.
[1:15:17] >> Yes.
[1:15:18] >> Council Roelly.
[1:15:19] >> Yes.
[1:15:19] >> Council Moss.
[1:15:20] >> Yes. Council Helet.
[1:15:22] >> Yeah.
[1:15:23] >> Okay. Motion carries. More. Going on to
[1:15:26] number 11. Ordinance amending title six
[1:15:30] and in acting a new chapter prohibiting
[1:15:33] virtual currency machines and providing
[1:15:36] for enforcement and penalties. Chief and
[1:15:41] Brandon, I think I think this is a this
[1:15:44] is a very critical addition that we need
[1:15:46] to use.
[1:15:56] about
[1:15:58] turn your mic on. Chief,
[1:16:01] >> join the club.
[1:16:02] >> I don't have a guy.
[1:16:02] >> Hello. Hello.
[1:16:04] >> Um, recently the legislator made some
[1:16:07] changes to the the cryptocurrency
[1:16:08] machines that we see at our our uh some
[1:16:10] of our convenience stores or some of the
[1:16:13] other location uh retail uh locations in
[1:16:16] town. Um, our crypto machines um here
[1:16:21] and other places in the community are used about 98% of the time for scams
[1:16:28] uh which technically usually involve our
[1:16:31] elderly citizens or some other type
[1:16:34] incapacitation. Um so we we're following
[1:16:37] suit with some of the other communities.
[1:16:39] Leighton passed the first one a couple
[1:16:41] of weeks ago. Uh they forward that
[1:16:42] information to us. They done a lot of
[1:16:44] research on it. um spoke with the
[1:16:46] sponsor of the legislature as well as uh
[1:16:49] the attorney general's office who who
[1:16:51] gave him the thumbs up with with banning
[1:16:54] some of these machines and and the main
[1:16:55] reason is just fraud. A few years ago,
[1:16:57] we went out to all of our locations and
[1:17:00] put up signs saying, "Hey, you know,
[1:17:02] before you make a transaction, make sure it's not someone
[1:17:06] calling you to post bail from your
[1:17:08] friend in Guatemala or you know, the
[1:17:10] government's after you got to post this
[1:17:12] or your computer's broken. um you got to
[1:17:15] pay for customer service. There's a
[1:17:17] whole bunch of scams. We went back and
[1:17:19] just done a real quick search in ours
[1:17:20] the last two years. We've had $100,000
[1:17:23] in scams come out of our uh
[1:17:25] cryptocurrency.
[1:17:26] Um obviously we're a lot less populated
[1:17:28] than the the Davis County area, but they had about 11 million in a 5year
[1:17:32] period. Um so it is becoming well it is
[1:17:36] it has been you know for that there's
[1:17:39] not a lot of legitimate purposes to have
[1:17:40] the machine anyway. Um the legislators
[1:17:43] did dial it down to where you could only
[1:17:45] do $2,000 transactions at the most, but
[1:17:48] obviously they've had them 30 40 50
[1:17:50] $60,000. Um it's it's it's perpetuating
[1:17:55] criminal activity is really what it is.
[1:17:57] So we we felt the need to follow suit.
[1:17:59] Um other cities such as Worm, West
[1:18:01] Jordan, South Jordan are in the in the
[1:18:02] process of of you know researching it as
[1:18:05] well. I met with Brandon. Brandon had uh
[1:18:08] looked over it and uh we feel like we're
[1:18:10] in a good spot with it with this
[1:18:12] ordinance. So, this ordinance will give
[1:18:14] them 60 days to remove the machines. And
[1:18:16] in fact, talking to Chief Swanson and
[1:18:18] Elon, their business owners, they had
[1:18:20] like 16 of them and they all thanked him
[1:18:22] for creating this ordinance so they
[1:18:23] didn't have to have those machines
[1:18:25] anymore. They could get out of their
[1:18:26] leasing situation with them. So,
[1:18:28] >> I think it's critical that we help
[1:18:30] protect people from their own emotions
[1:18:33] sometimes.
[1:18:35] Yeah, we we've had, you know, we had one
[1:18:37] I won't name names, but we had one that
[1:18:38] was $30,000.
[1:18:40] >> Yeah.
[1:18:40] >> How many do we have here?
[1:18:41] >> We have six.
[1:18:42] >> I didn't even know we had them.
[1:18:44] >> Yeah. Well, I thought we had three
[1:18:46] >> and and Detective Mark Hartson went out
[1:18:48] and and actually physically done a count
[1:18:50] for us the other day and and look also
[1:18:52] looked at some of the cases and said we
[1:18:54] were about $100,000 in the last two
[1:18:56] years and then we have six of them. I
[1:18:58] thought we had three, but
[1:18:59] >> I was I was wrong. Sometimes people are
[1:19:02] victims two and three times.
[1:19:04] >> Well, yeah. I mean, you get someone that
[1:19:06] gets scared into into doing this, you
[1:19:09] know, they do it, you know, and and they
[1:19:10] stay on the phone with them. They'll
[1:19:11] stay on the phone,
[1:19:13] >> you know, go to your local store, you
[1:19:15] know, they'll they'll search up a crypto
[1:19:16] station and go go withdraw $15,000 from
[1:19:20] your bank account, take it to the crypto
[1:19:22] kiosk, and they give them a a wallet
[1:19:25] address is what they call it, and
[1:19:27] they'll put their money in the machine.
[1:19:28] and they'll dial up a a wallet address,
[1:19:30] hit send, kind of like a reverse ATM
[1:19:33] machine, and it goes, who knows where it
[1:19:35] goes, and it's very hard to get it back.
[1:19:37] Our special agent in charge of the FBI
[1:19:40] here said that sometimes they're able to
[1:19:42] get about 30% of the money back, but
[1:19:44] it's it's pretty hard, but it's a
[1:19:46] billions and billions of dollars that
[1:19:48] goes through a year. So,
[1:19:49] >> I'm I'm glad to see us considering a
[1:19:51] outright ban on these machines. They do
[1:19:53] they they serve no purpose,
[1:19:56] >> right? Yeah. I mean, if you want to
[1:19:57] trade crypto, you can do it on your
[1:19:58] phone. You can do it on your computer.
[1:20:00] There's a lot easier ways than dropping
[1:20:01] cash into it. It's it's
[1:20:03] >> Yeah.
[1:20:03] >> You know, anyway. So,
[1:20:05] >> okay, council, unless there's other
[1:20:07] discussion to be had, which I doubt,
[1:20:09] >> I'm ready for a motion.
[1:20:11] >> Mayor, I'll motion that we approve the
[1:20:13] amending title six and enacting a new
[1:20:16] chapter prohibiting virtual currency
[1:20:19] machines and providing for enforcement
[1:20:20] and penalties.
[1:20:22] >> I'll second.
[1:20:22] >> Hey, we have a motion been seconded.
[1:20:24] Roll call vote starting with council
[1:20:27] Helet.
[1:20:28] >> Yes.
[1:20:28] >> Council Moss,
[1:20:30] >> yes.
[1:20:30] >> Council Roelly,
[1:20:31] >> yes.
[1:20:31] >> Council Smith,
[1:20:32] >> yes.
[1:20:33] >> Okay, motion carries. Thank you.
[1:20:34] >> Just one more thing. We'll draft up a
[1:20:36] letter to send to our business owners so
[1:20:38] they know that this ordinance is effect
[1:20:39] so it doesn't take them by surprise as
[1:20:41] well. So
[1:20:41] >> good. I'll have 60 days, you said,
[1:20:43] chief. Okay.
[1:20:44] >> Thanks, Chief.
[1:20:45] >> Thank you. Okay. F. And that's for
[1:20:48] adjournment. I'll accept a motion to
[1:20:50] adjurnn.
[1:20:50] >> So moved.
[1:20:52] >> Second.
[1:20:52] >> Okay. All in favor say I.
[1:20:54] >> I. Hi.
[1:20:54] >> Hi.
[1:20:57] >> That was a lot quicker than I thought.