1 00:00:08,639 --> 00:00:09,519 You want to open? 2 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:13,509 >> You want to start us off? 3 00:00:13,519 --> 00:00:14,080 » What's that? 4 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:15,360 >> You want to start this meeting off? 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,160 >> Yeah, let's start it. 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,160 >> We can't We can't If we don't start, we 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:24,720 can't finish. But I got to go 8 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,870 that way. 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,119 We'll make it quick. 10 00:00:31,119 --> 00:00:33,200 >> I can go real fast. 11 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:35,360 >> Okay. So, we're just gonna kind of go 12 00:00:35,360 --> 00:00:38,320 over the tenative budget. You you ask us 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,320 questions, anything you want to know, 14 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,440 further information, whatever. Um, so 15 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,879 the first thing we just want to point 16 00:00:44,879 --> 00:00:46,800 out that this is kind of a conservative 17 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,280 budget. We don't know forward one. Some 18 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:53,199 of the economic factors we're looking at 19 00:00:53,199 --> 00:00:56,480 is uncert uncertainty related to the 20 00:00:56,480 --> 00:01:00,239 national economy. Um cost of living is 21 00:01:00,239 --> 00:01:03,600 going up, high cost of fuel. Sales tax 22 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,159 is stable for us, but other cities have 23 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:08,000 mentioned that they are concerned. 24 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,400 Theirs is not staying as stable. So I 25 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,479 don't know if it's just because we kind 26 00:01:12,479 --> 00:01:15,280 of have a niche economy that maybe ours 27 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,040 isn't as diversified. So you know 28 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:23,119 current CPI is 3.3%. 29 00:01:23,119 --> 00:01:25,520 So this is an overview of the indirect 30 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,600 services that we're going to make. And 31 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,040 this is the cost of providing services 32 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:33,680 to the enterprise funds and to the other 33 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,119 departments. Um, for the general fund, 34 00:01:37,119 --> 00:01:39,600 it's things like your time, engineering 35 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:42,880 time, accounting services, HR, 36 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:44,799 administrative services, all those costs 37 00:01:44,799 --> 00:01:46,640 that we charge to the enterprise funds 38 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,479 that they would otherwise have to go 39 00:01:48,479 --> 00:01:52,000 outside and hire. 40 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,640 >> Um, I go fast, so just stop me if I'm 41 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,079 going too fast or if you have questions 42 00:01:56,079 --> 00:01:58,799 or concerns. These are operating 43 00:01:58,799 --> 00:02:02,560 transfers. Um so they're 44 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:05,200 transfers um just moving money to the 45 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,080 general fund. Um traditionally we've 46 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,000 transferred 9% of the revenue of of uh 47 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:14,640 enterprise funds. We're trying to get 48 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:16,720 away from doing this. We'd like to just 49 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,760 do indirect service charges. So this 50 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,360 year we've reduced or eliminated 51 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:23,280 operating transfers to the general fund 52 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:24,800 and these are kind of the areas we've 53 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,360 reduced it to. We hope to keep 54 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,280 continuing so we're not making that 55 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:32,319 operational transfer in 56 00:02:32,319 --> 00:02:33,360 >> budget highlights. 57 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,360 >> Can I just highlight how significant 58 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:36,239 that is? 59 00:02:36,239 --> 00:02:37,120 >> Yeah, 60 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,920 >> that is just a really really impressive 61 00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:46,309 >> go back one if you were back. 62 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:48,720 Yeah. 63 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:50,560 >> Yeah. We've generally transferred from 64 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,480 the enterprise funds to help the general 65 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,959 fund 66 00:02:54,959 --> 00:02:58,160 around 9% for sometimes even more than 67 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,720 that for long as I can remember. 68 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,120 >> So, I think it's good to start not 69 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:04,480 taking it from the enterprise funds if 70 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,480 we can if we can make that work. Um, we 71 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:09,840 do have to go through a public hearing 72 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:14,319 on this on the transfers. Um 73 00:03:14,319 --> 00:03:17,440 the one thing that the transfers the way 74 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:19,200 we've explained I think Provo probably 75 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:26,959 did the first good job that the the churches the schools 76 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:28,959 uh tax exempt organization they don't 77 00:03:28,959 --> 00:03:30,959 have to pay to help the general fund. 78 00:03:30,959 --> 00:03:33,440 They're tax exempt but but they all have 79 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,840 to pay their utility fees. And so that's a justification say we need some 80 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,720 of those to pay in to the general fund 81 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,400 for those that don't 82 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,560 >> pay taxes. And so it helps it helps fund 83 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,599 the fire, the police, those general fund 84 00:03:49,599 --> 00:03:51,599 um 85 00:03:51,599 --> 00:03:54,239 organization, you know, departments. But 86 00:03:54,239 --> 00:03:55,920 we are trying to wean off you see the 87 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:59,040 water zero, the sewer zero and the rest 88 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:01,120 have gone down to like 5%. 89 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,360 It's helping to keep more of the the 90 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,280 money in those enterprise. 91 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,680 >> So So actually those are doing better 92 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,000 than they don't have to they get more in 93 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,840 their in their for their farm 94 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,760 >> and the 9% is what the state allowed us 95 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:14,400 to do, right? 96 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,079 >> Well, that's kind of what we had put. We 97 00:04:16,079 --> 00:04:17,680 I think years and years ago we did more 98 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,400 than that 12%. That's what we we moved 99 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:23,199 back to. It's been 9% for quite a few 100 00:04:23,199 --> 00:04:24,720 years 101 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,560 and then we're just trying to wean wean 102 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:28,639 off of that. There's two important 103 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:31,040 reasons too is to support the enterprise 104 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,840 funds so that they can do their job. And 105 00:04:33,840 --> 00:04:35,440 the second is I think it's easier to 106 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,600 sell to the citizens that we're not just 107 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:38,960 moving money. We're not changing 108 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,919 charging utility fees and then moving it 109 00:04:41,919 --> 00:04:44,720 over to the general fund. So I think 110 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,440 that helps build trust the citizens. 111 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:47,759 Yeah. 112 00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:49,840 >> Isn't one thing we've done though is 113 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:52,880 made a better analysis of what they owe 114 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,440 to the cities for their services where 115 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,000 we really didn't do that much before. 116 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,759 >> We kind of honed it in and that brought 117 00:04:59,759 --> 00:05:01,280 enough direct transfers. 118 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:02,800 >> Yeah. Doing their business. 119 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,600 >> That's great. So, the two transfers um 120 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:08,240 from the general fund to the the 121 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,160 electric fund and the water fund, that's 122 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,320 to cover the utopia bond and the 123 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,680 electric fund and the forbay bond 124 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,960 because I guess at one time the forbay 125 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,800 bond was a a water uh 126 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,800 region 127 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:25,280 or something. 128 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:27,520 >> So, and it's more recreational now. So, 129 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,759 we feel like the general fund should be 130 00:05:29,759 --> 00:05:32,000 paying for those. 131 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:33,759 So, 132 00:05:33,759 --> 00:05:36,800 Um, so for fiscal year 2027, as we 133 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:43,430 propose it right now, it's 122,976,923 134 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,400 dollar budget. 135 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:50,000 Um, for funded personnel positions, 136 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,680 as I said before, we're kind of taking 137 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,080 it a little bit slow. Um, we're asking 138 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:56,479 that the positions be filled at midyear 139 00:05:56,479 --> 00:05:58,160 and we're going to re-evaluate, make 140 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,759 sure that the economy is going good, 141 00:05:59,759 --> 00:06:01,600 that we're going to be safe. I'm a 142 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:02,880 little conservative and that's kind of 143 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:04,960 why I'm pushing it because you hear 144 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,840 rumors of what's going on. 145 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:11,440 Um, we have added an up to 4% adjustment 146 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:13,360 to individual wages to keep wages 147 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:16,080 competitive. 2.7% will be allotted 148 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,880 through a COLA, 1.3% through merit. 149 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:22,800 And just to remind you that in addition 150 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,639 to wages, we have to pay the retirement 151 00:06:24,639 --> 00:06:26,319 system. And this is kind of the 152 00:06:26,319 --> 00:06:28,400 breakdown of of what we pay. And it can 153 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,479 be pretty significant. 154 00:06:30,479 --> 00:06:34,870 um portion of benefits. 155 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:46,150 » Sorry, could you go back to that one? 156 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,520 » Okay. And I guess I just want to have a 157 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,160 candid conversation about the department 158 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,080 head's experience with doing the the 159 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:54,400 merit system last year and and we're 160 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,080 doing it again, but I see it's it's much 161 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,319 smaller. And so what what was the 162 00:06:58,319 --> 00:07:00,720 average merit that was awarded last 163 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:01,759 year? Do you know off the top of your 164 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:03,520 head? 165 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,160 >> Between two and a half and three. 166 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,240 >> No, that's about right. 167 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,319 >> Okay. Yeah. 168 00:07:10,319 --> 00:07:12,639 >> And so we we trimming that back as we 169 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:16,870 didn't like it. 170 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,960 » No, I think we tried to keep it close to 171 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,000 the the CPI. No, I'm just speaking 172 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,160 specifically to the merit portion of the 173 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:26,720 last time it was it was uh you know was 174 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:29,199 like 50% of the pick 175 00:07:29,199 --> 00:07:31,680 >> was it all 4% total last time 176 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:33,759 >> it was 5% 177 00:07:33,759 --> 00:07:35,440 >> okay and the cola was like two and a 178 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:36,720 half and then two and a half 179 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,319 >> two and a half I think was merit right 180 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:39,280 and two was 181 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,360 >> yeah I think I think what we proposed is 182 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,400 the the the cola the cost of living was 183 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,840 almost 3%. Mhm. 184 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,520 >> So, we put three and then two for the 185 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,919 merit. I think you guys switched it. Say 186 00:07:49,919 --> 00:07:52,240 we want two for the colon, three for the 187 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,120 merit. Uh, 188 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,120 >> and and this we're doing the same thing 189 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:58,479 this time. We looked at the cost of 190 00:07:58,479 --> 00:08:00,000 living for that 12 month was about 191 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:02,240 2.9.8. 192 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:03,039 >> Yeah, it's about 193 00:08:03,039 --> 00:08:04,960 >> Where does that keep us competitive? 194 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:05,440 >> What's that? 195 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:07,039 >> Where does that keep us in the 196 00:08:07,039 --> 00:08:09,120 competitive one? 197 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,879 >> I think the cost of living keeps people 198 00:08:10,879 --> 00:08:12,879 where they should be. the the merit is. 199 00:08:12,879 --> 00:08:15,840 >> But are but are we there now? Are are we 200 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,280 competitive now? 201 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,199 >> We try and stay competitive. Melanie 202 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:21,440 does an analysis each year to make sure 203 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,000 that we're at least competitive with other cities for comparable 204 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:27,520 positions. 205 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,560 >> 4% 4% to as a total compensation up to 206 00:08:32,560 --> 00:08:34,320 definitely represents a a more 207 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,080 conservative approach, right, 208 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,240 >> to compensation increases. And the 209 00:08:38,240 --> 00:08:40,240 majority of that, you know, like on 210 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,880 Cathy's previous slide, you know, if CPI 211 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:47,279 is 3.3 or 2.9 for the year adjusted, you 212 00:08:47,279 --> 00:08:49,920 know, you're barely covering that 213 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,080 >> edge a little bit because the sales tax 214 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,920 hoping that that sales tax stays strong. 215 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,399 If it doesn't, just for us in a pretty 216 00:08:56,399 --> 00:08:57,519 good finance, 217 00:08:57,519 --> 00:08:59,120 >> we also look at other communities to 218 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,120 kind of gauge what they're giving and 219 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,080 kind of 220 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,640 >> this is similar to what Max giving for 221 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,360 us as well. Did you Did you guys mention 222 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,160 what like the cost of living is like on 223 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:12,240 average? Did he already I swear I heard 224 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:14,399 that? 225 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:18,080 >> That's the total like normal%. 226 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,440 >> Okay. 227 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,279 >> Just checked it recently. It was 3.3. I 228 00:09:21,279 --> 00:09:24,160 think when we started the budget process 229 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,959 >> like like the calendar year last year, I 230 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:29,279 think it ended up about 2.1. 231 00:09:29,279 --> 00:09:30,640 >> That's where we kind of came up with the 232 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,040 numbers. inflation has been increasing 233 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,040 over the last couple of months for 234 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:36,320 >> I think we need to keep the call a 235 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:38,240 little higher and then and that gives us 236 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,080 some flexibility with the with the 237 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:42,480 merit. 238 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,000 >> Can I make one comment on that? Last 239 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,160 year I think I talked to Ryan about this 240 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,200 is like it was a great 5% is an awesome 241 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,040 raise for all of our employees including 242 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:52,240 ourselves. 243 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,200 >> The way it was spun in the meeting was 244 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,040 god they took a percent from us rather 245 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:00,160 than us celebrating we got 5%. I would 246 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,800 just hope that whatever we you guys 247 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:04,640 decide on that's what it is and it 248 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,800 doesn't get out to our employees like they felt I don't know how it got 249 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:10,880 out but rather than celebrating wow that 250 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,519 was awesome for us to get 5% it was like 251 00:10:13,519 --> 00:10:15,200 boy the council doesn't believe we're 252 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,200 worth the full they took a percent from 253 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,040 us that make sense and it was all 254 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:20,240 perception 255 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:21,760 >> 5%'s awesome 256 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,920 >> I think it makes sense but I mean like I 257 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,079 also look at it too of like I have a 258 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:29,040 regular job right And 259 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,360 I don't get that. And so like I'm 260 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:32,800 thankful some days, especially in 261 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,519 certain economies, to have a position. 262 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:36,959 And I'm not saying you guys aren't worth 263 00:10:36,959 --> 00:10:38,880 it and they're not worth it. I just hope 264 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:40,720 that the employees, if they do see that, 265 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:43,839 like, oh, it's a 1% decrease again and 266 00:10:43,839 --> 00:10:46,160 they get upset about it. 267 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,800 I like there's just so many that, you 268 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:50,399 know, 269 00:10:50,399 --> 00:10:52,640 >> this isn't necessarily 1% decrease. It 270 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:54,800 is what you're saying. It's just what it 271 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,000 starts out. 272 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,160 >> Yeah. Yeah. What? I'm just saying it was 273 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:00,480 five and it could have been like if I go 274 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,240 in there and and like you said, if I 275 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:04,720 have employees and I go and we and they 276 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,160 think they're getting 4% and I go in 277 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,240 there and go, "No, you guys are awesome. 278 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,560 We're giving you 5%." Or we go in there 279 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:12,480 with six and and we go, "We like you, 280 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:14,640 but you guys are going five." It's all 281 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,959 5%, but the perception is totally 282 00:11:16,959 --> 00:11:17,760 different. 283 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,240 >> Whatever. I agree with whatever you give 284 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:22,079 we're all I'm thankful for, 285 00:11:22,079 --> 00:11:24,320 >> but it's just how it was perceived. 286 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,240 That's it. Not Not the number. Yeah. 287 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,160 >> Just how it was presented and perceived. 288 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:30,079 >> And I like the merit idea personally 289 00:11:30,079 --> 00:11:30,560 about that. 290 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:32,000 >> And if and if the perception is the 291 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,920 issue, this is the first time that we 292 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:34,880 see the numbers. 293 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:35,120 >> Yeah. 294 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,720 >> And so if that's the issue, then we need 295 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,320 to see the numbers sooner. If that's 296 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,800 truly creating a resentment against the 297 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:42,640 employees because for me, this is this 298 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:44,240 is where we start and we scrutinize, we 299 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:45,440 look at before we approve. 300 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:46,800 >> That's my point is like you see the 301 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:48,160 numbers and you guys find what's 302 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:50,320 comfortable for the market with the 303 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,399 staff or whatever. and and yeah, and 304 00:11:52,399 --> 00:11:53,120 that's 305 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,200 >> so so for me, I'm I'm quite comfortable 306 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:58,240 with with a 4% uh this year. I think 307 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,880 that's competitive and and fair and 308 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,480 still conservative, too, which I'm I'm 309 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,560 thankful for. Really, thank you guys for 310 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:06,399 tightening belts a little bit this year 311 00:12:06,399 --> 00:12:08,480 compared to last. And so I guess the 312 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:14,959 only seed I want to plant for for the merit is is I I hope that uh that's 313 00:12:14,959 --> 00:12:16,320 really working for the department 314 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:18,399 managers that it's not breeding uh 315 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:21,519 mistrust or favorites or or anything 316 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:26,639 else like that or or hatred or within the departments. And so I hope 317 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:27,839 I'll let you guys figure out. I just 318 00:12:27,839 --> 00:12:29,279 hope we have the the courage to have 319 00:12:29,279 --> 00:12:30,880 those tough conversations that if the 320 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,920 merit's not working then get rid of it. 321 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,839 And if it is truly incentivizing then let's do it. But if we see our 322 00:12:37,839 --> 00:12:41,519 merits usually always at the top, is it 323 00:12:41,519 --> 00:12:43,279 working? I don't know. Are we using it 324 00:12:43,279 --> 00:12:45,519 as a tool to help incentivize or we just 325 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:47,839 using as a tool to punish a few people? 326 00:12:47,839 --> 00:12:49,600 >> Well, when you go one, let's say you go 327 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:53,760 a one to 1.4% on a merit, is that enough 328 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,600 to move the needle on an employee, 329 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:56,240 >> right? 330 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:57,920 >> Is is that kind of what you're saying? 331 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,000 Okay, I'm going to give you 332 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,480 >> 7% or and they're like, yeah, that's not 333 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,560 worth me putting forth the 334 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:09,680 >> the 200 bucks ain't worth the that's 335 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:11,519 not, you know, just going through hell 336 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:14,000 to get 337 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,360 >> I'm hoping that all of it's unrealistic, 338 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:19,920 but it's a goal that all of our 339 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,440 employees are at the top of their merit. 340 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,000 Yeah, that would be I'm hoping that all 341 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:27,680 would be that would be all that would be 342 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:30,000 the target statistically impossible to 343 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:31,040 awesome. 344 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:32,560 >> Well, if we're doing it that way, then 345 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:35,040 we should just do flat colon and that's 346 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,240 what it is, right? 347 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,680 >> Yeah. And then we've had this debate, 348 00:13:37,680 --> 00:13:39,120 not that I need to get in, but but 349 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,480 you're right. If it's black cola, 350 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,639 where's the incentive to 351 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:44,480 >> go the extra mile and do everything 352 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,720 instead of or if you have someone that's 353 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,399 not merit that comes in who's been here 354 00:13:48,399 --> 00:13:50,399 for five years that's way better than 355 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:53,200 Tracy who's been here for 30, you know, 356 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,880 you're like, "Yeah, sorry. This is our 357 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,160 first round draft pick and we're going 358 00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,079 to pay her more than you, you know, 359 00:13:58,079 --> 00:14:00,320 because she brings more value." 360 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,480 >> So, yeah, it's a this is a discussion we 361 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:03,600 could 362 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,079 >> Well, we've obviously Yeah. But 363 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:07,360 >> there's always working within your 364 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:08,800 departments. I think we ought to go back 365 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:10,160 to what Tracy said. I think we ought to 366 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:12,880 put this at 3% today. City council on 367 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:14,639 May 6, we paid for. 368 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:16,959 >> Absolutely. That's my point. That's my 369 00:14:16,959 --> 00:14:18,560 point. And then every employee goes, 370 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:20,480 "Holy cow, the city council, they were 371 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,680 going to vote three. They went four. 372 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:23,680 They love us." Then it all ended up at 373 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,920 4. That was my point with Ryan at about 374 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,040 4 a.m. or whatever. And we're not even 375 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,150 drinking. 376 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:33,680 The only other thing that I'd say about 377 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,240 this page is that very top bullet point, 378 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,680 that 122 million, that's actually a 5% 379 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,000 decrease from previous year. 380 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,279 >> Awesome. 381 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:45,920 >> But our I I heard I heard counselor Clet 382 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,680 say this once, too, and I agree. Our 383 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,279 employees are our best assets. We want 384 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:50,959 to make sure they they know we love 385 00:14:50,959 --> 00:14:52,240 them, 386 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,360 >> but we also want to get the best. And 387 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,160 that's how we get the best keepers being 388 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,360 competitive. 389 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,120 >> The not so best or the ones that don't 390 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:01,600 love it. 391 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,040 >> Yeah, I agree. In general, a good 392 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:04,320 employee is going to be a good employee 393 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:05,519 no matter what number you put up there. 394 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:06,800 And a bad employee is going to be that's 395 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,160 >> integ but the higher we are to 396 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:12,480 competitive. 397 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:13,920 >> Absolutely. 398 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,920 >> Thank you. But thank you for being 399 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,440 conservative on the pay raises because 400 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,000 you guys are most important assets. I I 401 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,240 wish we could give you all a 30% raise. 402 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:37,670 We're not there yet. So, thank you for doing what you do. 403 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:40,000 » There's still a chance. 404 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:40,720 >> We're not there yet. 405 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,839 >> This is being recorded, right? 406 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:48,710 >> You're saying there's still a chance. 407 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:55,110 » Not this festival yet. 408 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,519 Um, again, we've given department heads 409 00:15:57,519 --> 00:15:59,279 pretty much what they've asked for in 410 00:15:59,279 --> 00:16:01,199 operations. 411 00:16:01,199 --> 00:16:04,880 Um, just a note, the budget is balanced, 412 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,720 but we have one big project in the 413 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,199 general fund for about 750,000. We're 414 00:16:09,199 --> 00:16:10,880 going to try and get it done this year, 415 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,480 but that is going to affect the budget 416 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,519 if we have to roll it over next year. 417 00:16:15,519 --> 00:16:18,000 Um, and just as a reminder, the tenative 418 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,040 budget adoption is statutory. Um after 419 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,279 the adoption of the tenative, you guys 420 00:16:23,279 --> 00:16:24,880 can do whatever you want with the 421 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,320 budget. If you want to have more 422 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,160 meetings, if you want to make changes, 423 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:34,000 whatever before we adopt uh June 17th. 424 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:39,920 Okay. So, our insurance renewal, general liability increased 3%, workers 425 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,480 comp increased 3%. 426 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,240 Employee health insurance did not 427 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:46,480 increase. Melody really worked hard. 428 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:47,680 Wow. 429 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,680 >> Yeah. 430 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:50,560 the amount of 431 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:59,509 >> Don't worry, put it all in dental. 432 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:01,920 » Um, we are cautiously optimistic 433 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:03,519 throughout the management of this 434 00:17:03,519 --> 00:17:05,839 budget. The city will monitor the econ 435 00:17:05,839 --> 00:17:08,959 economy. Um, and again, even though 436 00:17:08,959 --> 00:17:10,799 we've allotted budget for new employees, 437 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:13,439 we're going to reassess mid year, make 438 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:15,039 sure we're doing good and everything's 439 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:17,439 tight. Could I make a comment about 440 00:17:17,439 --> 00:17:19,839 you've given pretty much you pretty much 441 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:21,919 what they want. I think that's critical. 442 00:17:21,919 --> 00:17:24,079 So they know what they need to to run 443 00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:26,319 their departments and we need to be able 444 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:29,200 to be right on on point with those kind 445 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:33,909 of things. 446 00:17:33,919 --> 00:17:35,760 » Well, maybe I can just make comment on 447 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:38,480 that. Um, when I first started here a 448 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:40,240 long time ago, 449 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:41,760 the the discussion, maybe Scott 450 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:44,960 remembers that, the discussion was about 451 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,280 March or maybe April, you got to spend 452 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:48,320 what's in your budget or you're going to 453 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,360 lose it. And people would spend to the 454 00:17:51,360 --> 00:17:55,120 point where the I think it was Janette 455 00:17:55,120 --> 00:17:58,000 at the time said, hey, no more spending. 456 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,240 >> You can't spend anymore. 457 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:02,559 And that's kind of gone away. We we we 458 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:04,320 budget for what they need. But 459 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,520 >> the the the departments don't spend it 460 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,880 if they don't need it. So we always we 461 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:15,360 always estimate conservatively, but we use fund balance to help balance the 462 00:18:15,360 --> 00:18:18,160 budget, which I'm not always a fan of 463 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,080 that because if if you have to use your 464 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:21,600 fund balance year after year out, then 465 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,160 your reserves fall. But every year we 466 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:25,600 use some fund balance to balance the 467 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,080 budget. But by the end of the budget 468 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:30,480 year, we haven't we haven't used that 469 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,480 fund balance because our revenues have 470 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,480 been better than projected and our 471 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:35,679 expenses have been lower. We're not 472 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:36,799 having departments going out and 473 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:37,840 spending everything that's in their 474 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,600 budget. It just falls back to fund 475 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:41,679 balance. So, in the end, our fund 476 00:18:41,679 --> 00:18:43,120 balance grows a little bit even though 477 00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:49,360 we use some to balance the budget. So, I just I appreciate the the departments 478 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:52,320 and how they they just they spend their 479 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,400 money wisely. It's not a a race at the 480 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:55,760 end of the budget to spend everything in 481 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,120 there so you don't lose it. 482 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:58,960 >> And and the reason I said what I said is 483 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,960 I went through and this is 20 years ago. 484 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,559 >> Yeah. Mayor, you probably remember that. 485 00:19:02,559 --> 00:19:05,760 >> Yeah. It was actually they had totally 486 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,320 different staff. Some are still here, 487 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,080 but they're in a different position than 488 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:13,039 they are now. We were told, "Don't you 489 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:15,600 dare tell the council what you need 490 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,039 because it makes it easier on the 491 00:19:17,039 --> 00:19:18,720 council not to see it." Well, if you 492 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,440 need it, you got to put it in there. 493 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,360 give the give the the council a chance 494 00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,520 to fund it for you. That's that's why I 495 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,200 think it's need to be realistic. I was 496 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:29,919 starting to get off. 497 00:19:29,919 --> 00:19:32,000 >> No. 498 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,520 >> So, we're proposing the following 499 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,480 positions. A new police officer. Um with 500 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,320 some promotional opportunities for two 501 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:40,080 other officers. 502 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,240 Um six EMTs for the ambulance 503 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,400 department. Um and we're going to offset 504 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,080 that with some of the part-time 505 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,720 personage. A water employee with some 506 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,280 seasonal help. um some adjust 507 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,280 adjustments for a public information 508 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:57,360 officer and a GIS position. 509 00:19:57,360 --> 00:19:58,320 So, 510 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,799 >> uh Chief, the the EMTs, those are all 511 00:20:00,799 --> 00:20:03,039 part-time positions. Those six proposed 512 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:04,160 new ones or 513 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,200 >> those are full time. 514 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,039 >> Yeah, we're we're getting way behind it. 515 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:09,520 >> Yeah, we went through a meeting with 516 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,720 Barto and they we really need to step it 517 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:13,360 up. 518 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:14,559 >> This is where we're starting the 519 00:20:14,559 --> 00:20:16,880 transition between a volunteer 520 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,880 department with the new fire station 521 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:20,400 coming on. You try to fill it with 522 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:21,760 volunteers and they're all working for 523 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:23,200 somebody else. 524 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,960 >> Maybe an idea. I know Spanish work is 525 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:29,120 bigger, but Spanish has 41 full-time, 29 526 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:31,840 part-time, and 17 volunteer. 527 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,440 >> Lacy, here's an opportunity for you to 528 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:35,840 get on. 529 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,320 >> I was going to say if little ducks would 530 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,039 stop falling in, 531 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:43,440 >> we don't need. 532 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:46,720 >> That's what we call Phil. 533 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,320 >> They were very cute. wasn't all the new 534 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,600 bike crashes we've 535 00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:53,760 >> Oh, and kids getting six 536 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,320 department basically they'll they'll pay 537 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:57,120 for themselves. 538 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:58,559 >> Yeah, because we're we're pushing that 539 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:00,159 they're going to be all paramedics. So, 540 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:01,520 it's a higher 541 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:02,559 >> bailing rate. 542 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:03,200 >> Okay. 543 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:05,039 >> And they will be dedicated to the city, 544 00:21:05,039 --> 00:21:07,440 not so some other city come 545 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,360 >> one paramedic per shift. 546 00:21:09,360 --> 00:21:10,559 >> Two paramedics per shift. 547 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:11,840 >> Two paramedics. 548 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,080 >> Problem is it's being with two different 549 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,159 ambulances at once if needed. have one 550 00:21:16,159 --> 00:21:18,080 paramedic on the ambulance. Okay. 551 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,840 >> So that way if we have whether it's a 552 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,080 transfer or medical call and then we get 553 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:23,840 a critical care because right now 554 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,600 there's times critical care and my 555 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:29,520 paramedics either on another call or I 556 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:31,760 didn't get a paramedic for the day. 557 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,280 >> So there days I don't have paramedics. 558 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:37,760 So that'll fix that solution. And um 559 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,080 Mountain View Hospital 560 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:44,159 um takes more critical uh patients in 561 00:21:44,159 --> 00:21:46,080 the only other hospital that takes more 562 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,799 in HCA is St. Marks out of all their 563 00:21:48,799 --> 00:21:49,679 hospital network. 564 00:21:49,679 --> 00:21:52,400 >> We're very fortunate to have Mason. 565 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,480 >> So we get a lot of critical care 566 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,039 patients better take out of 567 00:21:57,039 --> 00:21:58,480 >> I'll tell you a quick story. We had one 568 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,400 of the doctors come out and talk to us. 569 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:01,600 You know where I'm going. 570 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,480 >> Yeah. He kept saying patio patient is 571 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,240 really really sick and I heard that 572 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,080 about five or six times and I finally 573 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,480 turned to him and said stop saying that 574 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,200 >> patient is not sick okay you you take 575 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,960 care of a lot more critical care okay 576 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,960 then that's fine but don't tell us the 577 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,000 patient is sick 578 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,640 my problem is very saying that you're 579 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,320 saying it to somebody else 580 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,080 >> as people from the geographical area 581 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,679 come we have a lot of a lot of different 582 00:22:29,679 --> 00:22:31,520 >> this is a tough transition I get nervous 583 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,400 about But Scott knows that I I'd rather 584 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,080 wait to do this, but it's got to happen 585 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:37,520 sometime. And we've got 586 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:40,640 >> like we could do it and when fire 587 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:42,080 station gets done, it' be a natural 588 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,000 thing to start building upon that. 589 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,600 >> Chief, will these paramedics be fast 590 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,960 trained fire as well or no? 591 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,960 >> Yeah, we hire everybody. Well, we hire 592 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,720 them through medical, but we if they 593 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,320 don't have their fire search, we we do 594 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,400 that because I can do that for free. 595 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,080 >> Okay. Excellent. So, by the end, these 596 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,840 paramedics also 597 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,000 >> most of them already are that we hire. 598 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:00,799 Yeah. 599 00:23:00,799 --> 00:23:03,039 >> Yeah. But it the nice thing is is it's 600 00:23:03,039 --> 00:23:04,720 the as you know the ambulance is 601 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,559 enterprise fund so there's no tax 602 00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:09,440 revenue going to those positions. 603 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,430 >> It's all funded by the 604 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,520 » Travis the water employee with seasonal 605 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,200 I'll explain more on on that one. 606 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:19,840 >> So Cameron would like so with the 607 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,240 federal mandate that we have to do let 608 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,799 stuff like he would like to hire a 609 00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:26,559 couple seasonal 610 00:23:26,559 --> 00:23:29,520 helpers to go either replace meters or 611 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,280 to help replace laterals. So, we have 612 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:35,120 some more help there. And then um then 613 00:23:35,120 --> 00:23:36,799 just another employee just because I 614 00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:38,880 mean when you look at it, we've got a PI 615 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,280 system, a drinking water system, we've 616 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,840 got the lakes, we do an we actually are 617 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:45,760 an irrigation company to Oldfield and 618 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,320 for North. We have a lot that goes on. 619 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:49,760 >> Yeah. And and these ones would be 620 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,360 seasonal just while the the systems 621 00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,120 energize. You're thinking also fulltime 622 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:54,240 full-time employee. 623 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,440 >> Yeah. And fulltime would be obviously 624 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:56,720 all the time, but yeah, the seasonals 625 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:58,240 would be kind of as early as we could 626 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,559 get them, like say March, April if if we 627 00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:01,840 I mean, obviously this year we're past 628 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,480 that, but you know, start there even 629 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,000 when school got out and then basically 630 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,520 to the end of summer. 631 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,880 >> Okay. 632 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,360 >> And we've got the budget for that. 633 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:14,080 >> And the GIS, that's that's the gal 634 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,640 that's been helping us do that. And I 635 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,000 understand she helps a lot of the other 636 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:19,360 departments, too, right? 637 00:24:19,360 --> 00:24:22,080 >> I would love to see her. She unveiled an 638 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:25,039 app yesterday for sidewalk policy that 639 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:27,279 she 640 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:29,840 >> amazing. 641 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:32,559 >> She has a big she has a good asset 642 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:38,710 >> and chief with a gun. 643 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,360 » Um a new police officer puts what 20? 644 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:43,840 >> He doesn't need one. 645 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:45,760 >> Okay. And you feel there's there's a 646 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,600 need there? Sell me on that, chief. 647 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,159 >> Oh yeah, we do 30. That'd be better. I 648 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:52,159 see. 649 00:24:52,159 --> 00:24:54,159 >> Are there any other programs, federal 650 00:24:54,159 --> 00:24:58,000 programs like fast golf cops? 651 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,279 >> Um, yes. It's well, number one, it takes 652 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:03,039 about a three-month dedicated employee 653 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:04,799 to get the cops grant and we don't have 654 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:06,640 that employee. So, with one of these 655 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,240 promotion opportunities would be grants 656 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,000 as well. So, we could be over that. So, 657 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:11,520 yes, we could get those pretty 658 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:12,720 competitive like it is, 659 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,480 >> you know, Houston, Salt Lake City, 660 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,960 Milwaukee. I mean, 661 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,840 >> we have done it in the past. um they pay 662 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,200 for the officer for three years and then 663 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,679 we pick up the tab. So I did look at it 664 00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:25,600 this year and it was I I don't think we 665 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:27,600 would have had a chance just based on 666 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,600 you know the guy like Houston 50 and Las 667 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,840 Vegas 100. It's pretty hard for a 668 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,520 smaller department to get them. It's not 669 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,760 unheard of, you know. I think I think 670 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,559 Salt Lake got 10. So maybe we could get 671 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,480 one out of that. So 672 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,480 >> and we got a couple in the in the past 673 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:43,440 when I you know 674 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,880 >> I think we got two. 675 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,200 >> We did it over a number of years. We in 676 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,600 total probably about four or five over. 677 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,480 >> Yeah. The last one we did was probably 678 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,120 2014 I think or something like that. 679 00:25:55,120 --> 00:25:56,400 >> 2012 after this 680 00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,720 >> maybe in a while. Yeah. 681 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:02,080 >> Well, we but we went through about 682 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,480 time where we did that and then we hired 683 00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,080 from our reserves and that really was 684 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:07,679 benefit. 685 00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:09,679 >> Yeah. Reserve is unheard of anymore. I 686 00:26:09,679 --> 00:26:11,360 mean nobody I mean there's so many 687 00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:13,039 openings right now. Like I just talked 688 00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:15,200 to Springville. They have nine openings. 689 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,240 >> Wow. 's hiring. I mean, it's all over. 690 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:19,279 Everyone's hiring. 691 00:26:19,279 --> 00:26:20,960 >> Well, they're just not competitive in 692 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,880 the market as far as wages. So, that 693 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:24,000 they're losing. 694 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:24,480 >> Yeah. 695 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:30,310 >> I mean, they're always 696 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,799 coming to a crime 697 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:34,400 >> and they have been doing it. work has 698 00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:37,750 gotten announced. 699 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,400 » Well, that why 700 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,480 >> Emma graduates in December. So that 701 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,640 would be a good time if this stays in 702 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:46,880 the budget we get. 703 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,159 >> Yeah. And on all these we're trying to 704 00:26:48,159 --> 00:26:49,200 do that mid year. 705 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,640 >> Midar making sure we know how the 706 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,240 economy is doing except for the two 707 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,990 seasonal that's going to be the summer. 708 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,440 » Okay. Proposed utility rate increases. 709 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,440 Uh we are proposing no increases to 710 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:09,029 utility rates for 2027. 711 00:27:09,039 --> 00:27:11,039 » So the city is going to have to look at 712 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:12,720 rate increases. One of the problems 713 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,520 we're having and has come up with the 714 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,039 sewer bond that's going to come forward 715 00:27:17,039 --> 00:27:19,440 next uh Wednesday. And also with the 716 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,880 Lithia bond, we have to maintain 1.25% 717 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,919 bond coverage, meaning we have 1.25 718 00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:29,360 times revenue over the cost of the debt. 719 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:29,679 Um 720 00:27:29,679 --> 00:27:31,919 >> I thought we figured that in Kathy or 721 00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:34,400 didn't we budget? 722 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,960 >> Well the problem is is as we do our 723 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,159 proformas as we go out a little bit we 724 00:27:40,159 --> 00:27:42,559 were really really tight. So in the 725 00:27:42,559 --> 00:27:45,200 analys analysis we did on the wifia bond 726 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,600 we told them that in five years 727 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,279 hopefully the council will be willing to 728 00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:53,360 whiff at raising um sewer and water 729 00:27:53,360 --> 00:27:56,559 rates at least so that we can have that 730 00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:58,399 bond coverage. It is a legal 731 00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:00,720 requirement. So if you agree to the 732 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,200 bonds, you agree that you will have 733 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,799 sufficient revenue to cover. 734 00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:06,799 >> I can't see over a fivey year period not 735 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:07,760 happy to do that. 736 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:08,799 >> Yeah. And you might have to do it 737 00:28:08,799 --> 00:28:10,320 sooner. I mean, we'll have to look at 738 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,720 the growth and things like that, but 739 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,480 this year 740 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,159 we were able to 741 00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:20,240 >> I'm still waiting to see the 742 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,600 >> the study to see like the I can't think 743 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:25,120 of the word now of what we were going to 744 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,279 look at possibly for like water and such 745 00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:30,320 and sewer. um like the feasibility of 746 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,200 the of our rates because um I mean I 747 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,720 still keep coming back to what we're 748 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,279 charging other I mean I went on those 749 00:28:39,279 --> 00:28:41,760 cities of what they charge their 750 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,720 residents 751 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,640 >> and some of like Woodland Hills is 752 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:48,159 double what we charge Woodland Hills and 753 00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:51,039 so I just think that before the 754 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:53,279 pitchforks come out of us increasing the 755 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,120 sewer. We have a very high sewer 756 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,440 compared to other people. I would want 757 00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,600 to see that to actually have that 758 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,760 justification ever raising it. That's 759 00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,679 just my honest opinion because if we're 760 00:29:03,679 --> 00:29:05,039 going to provide the service for someone 761 00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:06,799 else, we should pay for 762 00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:08,880 >> pay for that before our residents 763 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,039 continue to pay for it in many different 764 00:29:11,039 --> 00:29:13,760 ways besides just our sewer rate, but 765 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,080 also tax increases or anything else. So 766 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,760 that's just my feeling on it. 767 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,520 >> Well, just kind of 768 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,960 >> and I know you're familiar, but an 769 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,799 enterprise fund supports itself. So it's 770 00:29:22,799 --> 00:29:25,039 not tax supported 771 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:26,640 >> and well I meant like I thought the 772 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,760 sewer didn't we does the bond pay for 773 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:30,799 itself too 774 00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:32,720 >> it is fee supported and what you say 775 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:34,559 just charge the name of cities who use 776 00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,240 our system 777 00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,760 >> yeah 778 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,000 so that's so I'm just saying like before 779 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,600 we raise it for our residents raise them 780 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,039 >> like I just 781 00:29:45,039 --> 00:29:47,840 >> I think I mean I've only been in since 782 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,640 January and I think everyone can say 783 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,480 that the number one thing besides 784 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,080 broil's wrinklers I hear about is uh 785 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:02,480 just you stay on that new utilities and I just I really think that 786 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:04,640 it would it would I know it's going to 787 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,640 be needed. I get that but 788 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,279 >> it really just those areas are growing 789 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:09,600 too. 790 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:10,799 >> Yeah. 791 00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:12,559 And so anyway, that's just my 792 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:13,200 opinion. 793 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,720 >> If we're charging somebody else, we have 794 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,799 to charge them enough. But we have to 795 00:30:16,799 --> 00:30:19,440 remember that we have inflation and we 796 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,279 have to keep up with these projects. And 797 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,080 if we try to keep it at zero, we're 798 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,480 getting behind. But we have to keep that 799 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,559 in mind that we we don't want to get 800 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,200 behind. I just the league conferences 801 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,919 and they says don't get behind on your 802 00:30:35,919 --> 00:30:38,720 >> fees and keep your project your 803 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,720 utilities up to the stuff and keep on 804 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:41,600 top of things. So 805 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,360 >> that's why I'm excited to see this one 806 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,320 year where we go with that. 807 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,679 >> Yeah. But no, that's why I'm saying I 808 00:30:47,679 --> 00:30:49,360 would love to I can't wait to see what 809 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,000 the numbers say. the report says of 810 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,919 showing us when we will have to so we 811 00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:56,799 don't get behind. Also 812 00:30:56,799 --> 00:30:58,640 for residents that don't understand 813 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,320 everything that's in this book because 814 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,240 let's be honest most you know they this 815 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,960 isn't their forte. So all they see if 816 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:08,880 they skim through this is let's say we 817 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,279 did do an increase. You increase you're 818 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:14,159 giving every you know every employee a 819 00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:17,360 4% raise and and you gave them a 5% last 820 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:18,960 year and now you're going to increase my 821 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,799 utilities again. What else are you going 822 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,679 to get from me? And that's the trouble 823 00:31:23,679 --> 00:31:25,600 that this that's that's what I'm saying. 824 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,520 That's what residents see. We all know 825 00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,840 that they don't dig into things. They 826 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,880 just see one number and run with it. 827 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,440 >> Right? 828 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,520 >> That's what I'm trying to avoid. And one 829 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,120 of the and we've already mentioned it, 830 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,480 but one of the things we're trying to 831 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,799 support our our friends that's struggle 832 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,720 just a little bit are film drain sewer 833 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,519 and water and if we quit making the 834 00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:49,200 transfer that also supports that and 835 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:50,559 that way because they can use their own 836 00:31:50,559 --> 00:31:52,000 revenues, you know, towards 837 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,519 >> No, that's great. I think that's great. 838 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:54,559 So anyway, 839 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,000 >> what's stopping us from increasing the 840 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,320 fees for those other communities? 841 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,519 >> I don't think I don't know. 842 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,360 I think we need I think the agreement I 843 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,679 think the agreement says if we raise we we we have to raise commencement with 844 00:32:07,679 --> 00:32:08,799 what we do with the other 845 00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,880 >> I don't think so because Travis and I 846 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,880 sat and read it and I didn't see 847 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,320 anything about that. It just said that 848 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,640 we had to give them 849 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,880 whatever day notice for them to find 850 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,880 something else. And so again 851 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:21,760 >> up while we're talking 852 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,080 >> No. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, we found 853 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,480 like we found the original one though I 854 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,159 think is what we found in your office 855 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:30,480 >> by hand. Is there I I found one. 856 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:31,360 >> You tried to find like all the 857 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,039 amendments. 858 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:33,760 >> I found it. 859 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,559 >> It was But yeah, like I just And then my 860 00:32:36,559 --> 00:32:39,120 guess my question is like who made that 861 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,880 agreement? 862 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,440 >> That's silly. 863 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,350 >> Well, 864 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,840 » yeah. So anyway, okay. But 865 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:53,600 >> yeah, I we couldn't find any amendment. 866 00:32:53,600 --> 00:33:03,909 So that was the other thing that 867 00:33:03,919 --> 00:33:15,909 waterfront 868 00:33:15,919 --> 00:33:17,039 » keep going guys. 869 00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:19,120 >> So we're transferring uh money from the 870 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,760 general fund uh to cover a foray bond. 871 00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,399 We mentioned that before. Um the water 872 00:33:24,399 --> 00:33:25,919 department is charged with federal lead 873 00:33:25,919 --> 00:33:27,840 and copper lateral replacements and 874 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,960 those have been funded. Um again we're 875 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:36,159 looking at Wikia bonds um to a number of 876 00:33:36,159 --> 00:33:38,240 projects in the water area and in the 877 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,279 sewer area. 878 00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:41,200 >> I've got it strong. 879 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:42,240 >> Oh no. 880 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,320 >> Our budget's easy. 881 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,519 >> Um we're going to bring back with you 882 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:49,840 information. It's not in the budget yet. 883 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,360 We're not quite sure of the timing of 884 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,919 the funding and all that. So that'll be 885 00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:55,279 coming back to you through a budget 886 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:56,960 adjustment. 887 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,960 Um it also put in for the design of the 888 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,320 main street project. 889 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,679 These are the items in the colory um 890 00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:08,320 colors that have been funded and the 891 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,560 black items listed here are the ones 892 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,919 that we have not funded this year. So um 893 00:34:13,919 --> 00:34:18,950 what was requested is 5,762,978 894 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,359 worth of projects. We have funded 895 00:34:21,359 --> 00:34:24,629 $1,862,978. 896 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:26,480 Now some of these will come along with 897 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,629 the WIFIA. So 898 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,240 this is the water fund. It's an 899 00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:34,720 8,736,000 900 00:34:34,720 --> 00:34:36,480 fund. 901 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,520 Sorry. Um there's a lot of details 902 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,480 there. Um 903 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,520 it is to the good 894,000. 904 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,599 A good portion of that is we did not use 905 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:50,000 as much fund reserves as we did the 906 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,599 previous year. 907 00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:56,960 >> Is that represent a 5% or is that not in 908 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960 >> I I don't know. I didn't put the numbers 909 00:34:58,960 --> 00:34:59,760 to it. I'm sorry. 910 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,599 >> I was just going over the overall budget 911 00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:03,760 you said it was a 5%. 912 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:07,520 >> Yeah. For all the funds added together. 913 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,040 Um impact fees. Um there's some projects 914 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,160 for the water. There's some uh 915 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,119 reimbursements and and some studies and 916 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:21,599 some master plans and things like that are in the water impact. The detail 917 00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:25,599 is is in your budget documents. And I'll 918 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:27,359 just say it's, you know, if you have any 919 00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:28,560 questions as you look through the 920 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,800 document, please call me and we'll go 921 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,320 over it and we'll try and explain it and 922 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,599 we'll make sure you understand 923 00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:34,880 everything that's in there. 924 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,640 >> Can you go back about three slides on 925 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,200 what? 926 00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:41,670 >> You bet. 927 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,760 One more. 928 00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:45,599 >> So, eight West. Is that going to be 929 00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,240 under whip? Yeah. 930 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:48,640 >> Yes. 931 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,960 >> Because that we need to get that done. 932 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:51,760 Sure. 933 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,560 >> So, 934 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:53,680 >> that's the intention. 935 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,000 >> Okay. Thank you. 936 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,119 >> And on this page, council member, that's 937 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:02,720 actually about a 10%. 938 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:08,069 >> Is it? 939 00:36:08,079 --> 00:36:11,359 Okay, solid waste. 940 00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:13,920 Some highlights not fast. A great deal 941 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:15,920 of the budgeted expense of the landfill 942 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,119 pertains to maintenance and 943 00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:19,520 improvements. In addition to the 944 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,520 landfill, solid waste department handles 945 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,280 garbage collection and city snow 946 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,320 plowing. Landfill operational This was 947 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,560 just interesting to me so I added it. 948 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,400 Landfill operational cost includes 949 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,960 $50,000 in single mitigation. 950 00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,040 >> Bottles of it for 49. That's a lot of 951 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:43,190 >> shot. 952 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:45,760 » They don't come out at night. 953 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,109 >> That's why 954 00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,119 the landfill is getting a lot of r 955 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:54,160 revenue from CND revenue. Um some 956 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,839 demolition of some schools and things 957 00:36:55,839 --> 00:36:57,359 like that are coming to the land. So 958 00:36:57,359 --> 00:37:00,160 it's really 959 00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:02,240 >> um the landfill requested fencing and a 960 00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:05,520 10 meltdown. Um the 10 wheel dump is 961 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,520 actually a rollover from this year. So 962 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,839 we will pay for the body of the 10 wheel 963 00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:11,680 dump this year and next year will be the 964 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,320 sander and another component. 965 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,160 >> Can I say about the landfill how 966 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:18,880 grateful I am to those people that were 967 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,800 influential in keeping that around when 968 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,240 all the other cities were shutting 969 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:23,440 theirs down, 970 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,119 >> Pac kept theirs open. It's been a 971 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:27,040 blessing for our residents, our 972 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,760 pocketbooks, everything. We are so we're 973 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,359 so grateful that they made the decision 974 00:37:31,359 --> 00:37:34,079 took 975 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:35,520 a lot of hits from the state and 976 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:36,960 everybody else but now we're one of the 977 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:38,880 few left with a a landfill for both 978 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,240 residents and commercial 979 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:43,910 >> public 980 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:44,720 run. 981 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:49,349 >> Yes. Yes. I'm grateful we catch that. 982 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:53,599 » Um here's a solid waste budget is $4.4 983 00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:55,760 million. 984 00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,800 It's um a little bit up last year 985 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,400 141,000 986 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,280 uh greater than last year and the 987 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,430 expenditure side 988 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,960 » electric power 989 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,640 >> Sean's not intended attendance 990 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,599 he got invited to a special meeting and 991 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:17,359 he firmed that they asked him to come 992 00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:20,560 and attend his own that's well Nothing 993 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:29,670 is about 994 00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:32,000 the large large cap of projects that are 995 00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:33,920 scheduled is the transmission line and 996 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,680 that's through impact fees. The 997 00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,920 substation through impact fees at least 998 00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,440 the majority are through impact fees. 999 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,280 There's some also in the operating 1000 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:44,000 budget. The power plant construction 1001 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,160 continues and lighting projects. Um 2027 1002 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,079 was scheduled as a third of a four-year 1003 00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,640 rate increase plan. We're diverting 1004 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:56,240 that. Um we're not doing that this year, 1005 00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:57,920 but we might we'll probably have to pick 1006 00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,839 that up to keep pace with with some of 1007 00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:02,880 the costs. Um electric plant payments 1008 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,720 made through Uamps or through 1009 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:07,359 operational billing and we do not 1010 00:39:07,359 --> 00:39:09,359 recognize the asset or the liability 1011 00:39:09,359 --> 00:39:11,599 until it's paid paid off. Us is 1012 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:12,800 recognizing that. 1013 00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,320 >> So that's 1014 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,079 >> a transfer from the general fund. I 1015 00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:17,920 mentioned this already for the utopia 1016 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,280 preampunks. 1017 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:20,880 >> I have a question on that. 1018 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:22,640 >> Go back a second. 1019 00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,599 >> On the transmission line substations, 1020 00:39:25,599 --> 00:39:27,200 even though they're paid through impact 1021 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:29,920 fees, um do we do those up front? Do we 1022 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,280 have to bond for them and then the 1023 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:35,839 impact fees pay for them? And if they don't come as fast as we want, then 1024 00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:37,440 come out of our general fund. 1025 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,200 >> I'm I Well, it won't come out of the 1026 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,119 general fund. It would come out fund, 1027 00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:42,079 >> right? But 1028 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,280 >> as far as I know, I've went with the the 1029 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,680 prices that um Sean's given in. So I'm 1030 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,920 assuming that impact fees will cover a 1031 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,240 portion of those. I don't know how far 1032 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:54,320 it'll go. 1033 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,320 >> We have the impact fees already in place 1034 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,079 or Okay. So about right there. 1035 00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,079 >> He talked to me about a little bit about 1036 00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,839 the transmission line today. He said 1037 00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:06,480 that he I think the number he said was 1038 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,480 around 7 million to spend on impact 1039 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:08,960 fees. 1040 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:10,880 >> Then we're not going to be there. No, we 1041 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,079 won't be there. So, 1042 00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:15,430 >> but 1043 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,160 it was from the line going from the high 1044 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,240 school to 1045 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:21,440 the 1046 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,630 >> 19 1047 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:25,920 the Spring Lake substation. 1048 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:26,880 >> Yeah. 1049 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,910 >> Firehouse subs. Yeah, 1050 00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,680 » that's the provider park. 1051 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:37,200 >> So, this is the requested and the funded 1052 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,560 um a lot of big things. One of the 1053 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,000 things I want to point out is the main 1054 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,480 street project. In the past, we funded 1055 00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,240 that strictly out of the capital 1056 00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:48,240 improvement fund and at the other end of 1057 00:40:48,240 --> 00:40:49,920 the year, we transferred the assets and 1058 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,160 the cash to the enterprise funds. This 1059 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,359 coming year, we're just going to 1060 00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:55,200 recognize it's going to be grant covered 1061 00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:56,960 for phase three. we're going to 1062 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,880 recognize it straight to the enterprise 1063 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,800 funds. So that's why you're going to see 1064 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,200 that. So it's a grand offset with the 1065 00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,640 advance to complete that phase three. 1066 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:08,480 >> So back to 800 West, this won't be 1067 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,960 covered by whip, right? So no, 1068 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,720 >> how are we going to cover that if it's 1069 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,760 not in the budget? 1070 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:17,280 >> Maybe in next year. 1071 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,599 >> Yeah, we'll have to find the funding for 1072 00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:20,720 it. Okay, 1073 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:22,079 >> because that needs to be funded for 1074 00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:27,270 doing the rest of it, right? 1075 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:37,750 Okay. Electric fund uh expenditures 23,691,51 1076 00:41:37,760 --> 00:41:39,359 and 1077 00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:41,920 um I skipped one. I'm sorry. The 1078 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:43,839 revenues were offset that and the power 1079 00:41:43,839 --> 00:41:47,440 impact fees. And you'll see the the 4.5 1080 00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:49,599 million that's for the transmission line 1081 00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:51,359 and the substation that's scheduled for 1082 00:41:51,359 --> 00:41:54,630 this year. 1083 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:57,520 that almost brain I'm sorry I should 1084 00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:00,240 have said before the 3.2 2 million um 1085 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,760 contribution from fund balance that eats 1086 00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,520 the majority of the impact fees we have 1087 00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,510 in research right now. 1088 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,400 The sewer plant 1089 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,079 um the sewer department continues with 1090 00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:16,079 the construct for the plant sewer 1091 00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,720 department is a in a unique depart uh 1092 00:42:18,720 --> 00:42:21,119 position because 64% of operational 1093 00:42:21,119 --> 00:42:23,200 revenue goes to debt service. That's 1094 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,240 huge. That's a that's a lot of debt. 1095 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:29,359 Now, that include the $5 million bond 1096 00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:31,440 that we're just issuing, but it does not 1097 00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,359 include the WIA payments that are coming 1098 00:42:33,359 --> 00:42:37,680 up. Um, there's a $5 million bonds we'll 1099 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,119 bring forward on Wednesday. Um, and 1100 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:44,000 again, the sewer must maintain a 1.25% 1101 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,400 bond coverage. So, we're going to have 1102 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,400 to look at that in coming years. The 1103 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,599 sewer um department is 26.472 1104 00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:54,720 million. Um, the biggest portion of that 1105 00:42:54,720 --> 00:42:56,960 is right here. that $17 million in 1106 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,640 improvements to the plant. 1107 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,560 The impact fees are right there. And 1108 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:03,920 this consists again on some 1109 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,319 reimbursement for 1110 00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:09,520 um developer developer reimbursements 1111 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,720 and things like that. Some master plans. 1112 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:15,040 And this is the request in the funded of 1113 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,520 the capital for the sewer plant. The 1114 00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:20,720 video truck we are having them prepay it 1115 00:43:20,720 --> 00:43:22,560 into the revolving loan fund. And then 1116 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:24,240 hopefully in two years they'll be paid 1117 00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:25,599 off and they can go ahead and get their 1118 00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:29,839 truck. Um 1119 00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:32,640 I don't think there's anything other 1120 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,280 >> you can cover that 1121 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:40,230 >> truck. No, they 1122 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:43,829 ambulance department 1123 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:46,240 um the ambulance is almost at capacity 1124 00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,400 at what they can provide for the city um 1125 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,440 with available personnel. Uh we have 1126 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,359 funded six full-time positions. We've 1127 00:43:53,359 --> 00:43:56,000 already talked about that. An ambulance 1128 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,920 was ordered last year and it should be 1129 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,000 received this coming year is my 1130 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,760 understanding. 1131 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,430 >> We hope 1132 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,119 it's like a Rolls-Royce. They build it 1133 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:17,109 by hand. So you better order again 1134 00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:18,960 an ambulance impact fee study is being 1135 00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,480 updated right now. So this is what the 1136 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,040 ambulance has requested is the equipment 1137 00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,520 and six full-time positions. They would 1138 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:32,079 like 14 full-time positions but 1139 00:44:32,079 --> 00:44:34,720 we funded six for right now. The they 1140 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:39,520 would like another second ambulance. Um, 1141 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:40,960 >> we haven't funded that yet. 1142 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,680 >> Yeah. 1143 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,760 >> The problem with the hills is we're 1144 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,960 getting to about 200,000. That's 100,000 1145 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,160 too much. 1146 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,200 >> Yeah. 1147 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:59,829 >> That's the engines that are 1148 00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:03,680 engine 1.5. The ladder trucks 2.5. We'll 1149 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,440 get to that in just another minute. 1150 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:10,069 >> Yeah. 1151 00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,079 » The big toys. 1152 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:13,839 >> So, this is the ambulance budget right 1153 00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:16,240 here. 2.15%. 1154 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,240 As you can see, it's gone up 1155 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,720 significantly because of the employee 1156 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:23,520 costs. The golf fund. 1157 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:29,910 >> Trace is time. Trace is tired. So 1158 00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,000 » golf course is constructing the park 1159 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,200 golf course. Um the RV park is reserved 1160 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,160 out early and it's it's doing wonderful. 1161 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:40,160 So the golf course requested and funded 1162 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,200 is completion of the par four par three 1163 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,680 and that's kind of an estimate and the 1164 00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,920 real grinder 1165 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,560 and this it's a 4.152 1166 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:53,599 in revenue using some fund reserves and 1167 00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:58,309 an offsetting uh 1168 00:45:58,319 --> 00:46:00,480 Boy, I missed the expenditures on that. 1169 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,960 I'm sorry. I've got two revenues. 1170 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,720 >> Yeah, we don't want to show crazy 1171 00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:11,270 salary. 1172 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,440 » So, the storm drain highlights. Again, 1173 00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,040 this is one of those departments that 1174 00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,599 are kind of on the margins a little bit. 1175 00:46:17,599 --> 00:46:18,960 So, we got to be careful with storm 1176 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,280 drains. The primary purpose of the storm 1177 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,680 drain is to help enforce EPA regulations 1178 00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:25,920 regarding illicit discharge detection 1179 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:29,119 elimination. The city has allocated 1180 00:46:29,119 --> 00:46:32,079 $250,000 for urban gutter. That's 1181 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,240 through a CDG grant this year. 1182 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:36,880 >> And is that to upgrade existing or to 1183 00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:40,470 create 1184 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,280 » maintain new? 1185 00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,440 I think I think 1186 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,760 >> Yeah, I was going to say CBG 1187 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,319 is 1188 00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:52,000 >> outside. That's like 10 blocks, right? 1189 00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:55,839 >> Yeah. Yeah. 1190 00:46:55,839 --> 00:46:56,480 >> Yeah. 1191 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:57,119 >> 10 houses. 1192 00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:58,480 That's what 1193 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,560 >> CDG is only existing, Robert. Is that 1194 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:01,280 what you said? 1195 00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:01,839 >> Yeah. 1196 00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:02,400 >> Okay. 1197 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,800 >> Yeah. That CBG that's been we rolled it 1198 00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:08,640 over to because of what needed to be 1199 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,720 done before before put something on the 1200 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:24,630 ground. Yeah. 1201 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:25,920 Okay. The 1202 00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,599 >> storm drain revenue is 2.3 million and 1203 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:34,160 the expenditures offsetting of course 1204 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,119 >> internal service funds. So for the 1205 00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:38,400 vehicle maintenance, this is what 1206 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:42,720 they've requested. What we funded the tire changer, the balancer, and the 1207 00:47:42,720 --> 00:47:45,520 column lifts. They requested the service 1208 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,880 truck and the fuel train tanks for 1209 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:52,160 200,000. So in the internal service 1210 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,280 funds, um they are paid from services 1211 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:57,680 provided to all the departments. So they 1212 00:47:57,680 --> 00:47:59,200 have no other revenue than what they 1213 00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:01,599 charge departments we transfer back. So, 1214 00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,000 we try to be very careful what we're 1215 00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,520 charging to other departments because 1216 00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,440 that's just going to raise their 1217 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:08,960 budgets. Eventually, we'd like to look 1218 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,119 at the field takes. Anthony really 1219 00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,520 thinks that is a benefit to the city. 1220 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,119 >> We used to have that years and years 1221 00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,040 ago. We could hedge a lot 1222 00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:19,520 right now. 1223 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,680 >> Yeah. Especially right now. 1224 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,079 >> So, it requests, a main server 1225 00:48:24,079 --> 00:48:26,800 replacement, extended backup, laptops, 1226 00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,000 which would rewire and a copier. 1227 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,480 Um then here's both internal service 1228 00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,319 funds. You can see the vehicle 1229 00:48:34,319 --> 00:48:36,559 maintenance is 677,000 1230 00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:40,000 and the IT is 928,000. 1231 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,480 The reason it has gone up is because we 1232 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,040 did fire a full-time individual instead 1233 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,319 of a contract. 1234 00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:51,760 The revolving loan fund 1235 00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,280 >> um 1236 00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:55,200 is used to finance new equipment and 1237 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,200 vehicles and the cost of the equipment 1238 00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,359 is expensed in the revolving loan fund 1239 00:48:59,359 --> 00:49:01,839 and then we advertise payments to all 1240 00:49:01,839 --> 00:49:03,280 the departments that get the equipment 1241 00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:05,599 over three years unless it's something 1242 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:07,599 huge like when we have to pay back the 1243 00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,000 private truck that we move to five 1244 00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:10,559 years. 1245 00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:14,470 >> Yeah. vehicle 1246 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,000 replacement is based on the assessment 1247 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,880 of the vehicle maintenance director. 1248 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,359 >> So, this is what we are proposing to 1249 00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:24,000 replace this year. Um, we're going to 1250 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,800 watch carefully. Some of the trucks are 1251 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,839 not selling for as good as we got at one 1252 00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:31,440 time. 1253 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,520 These are all leased vehicles or new 1254 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:37,200 >> These are all purchased vehicles 1255 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,559 >> and then and then we hold on to them for 1256 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:43,280 we hope three years and we sell them in 1257 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:45,680 the past. We've made a profit off it. 1258 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,680 The profit isn't quite as good as it has 1259 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,480 going on. Anthony has been Anony's been 1260 00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,240 really looking at these and the numbers 1261 00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:53,920 and and it still actually makes 1262 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,280 financial sense to purchase and sell and 1263 00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:58,880 what we get even even though the number 1264 00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,200 has gone down a little bit. Um it still 1265 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,200 does make financial sense from a 1266 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:04,800 maintenance and everything else. 1267 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,549 >> If you just break even 1268 00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,319 are we not leasing most of our vehicles? 1269 00:50:10,319 --> 00:50:11,359 I thought we were. 1270 00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:14,000 >> We lease our police 1271 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,319 and some private vehicles. Oh, and we 1272 00:50:16,319 --> 00:50:17,760 got a couple for 1273 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,599 >> and that's one of the reasons that 1274 00:50:19,599 --> 00:50:21,839 little bit nicer trucks are bought so 1275 00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:23,440 they can have a better resale market. 1276 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,200 >> And that's what we look at constantly is 1277 00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:27,760 the lease price or the purchase price. 1278 00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,160 That's what I was going to ask because 1279 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:32,480 again before 1280 00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,720 when you're just a plain old resident 1281 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,559 driving around and you're like 1282 00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,040 >> why do we need a high country you know 1283 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,280 half ton and so that's what I was going 1284 00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,359 to ask is like because a lot of people 1285 00:50:43,359 --> 00:50:45,040 ask that they want to know 1286 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:49,760 >> we can buy these on the state bid and then give us 1287 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,240 >> I mean I just think work white strip 1288 00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:53,760 down you know and so 1289 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,760 >> well and it's also an image thing too 1290 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:57,040 you know for years and years we run 1291 00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,559 around with 1292 00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:00,960 >> parts fall off of them. 1293 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,119 >> If you buy a twodoor like proverbial 1294 00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:05,280 rollup windows radio like they used to 1295 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,280 sell, nobody wants them when you resell 1296 00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:08,559 them. So they're they don't 1297 00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:10,800 >> we were making money. 1298 00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,960 >> We made money for quite a while because 1299 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,040 you could buy at the state bid after a 1300 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:16,720 year or two. You could sell it more than 1301 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:18,079 we bought it for. 1302 00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,000 >> It's it's even that way. We don't quite 1303 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,079 make money but we're not losing a ton. 1304 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:23,760 >> I would say as long as like we keep 1305 00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:25,280 monitoring that because that would be 1306 00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,520 something for me. I mean, we all know 1307 00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,280 that used vehicles keep going up in 1308 00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:30,319 price and I think they're going to 1309 00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:32,400 continue to, but that's just something 1310 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:32,720 that 1311 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,319 >> Yeah, the the maintenance savings, the 1312 00:51:34,319 --> 00:51:36,079 tire savings, if it makes sense in 1313 00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,559 general 1314 00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:40,480 does a real good job with that. 1315 00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,400 >> If it gets too much of a area, then it 1316 00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,000 might be better to do something 1317 00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,280 different. But right now, I think we're 1318 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,160 still I mean, you drive it for two years 1319 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,359 >> and you sell it for 5,000 less than you 1320 00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:53,119 bought, you you had a new truck for two 1321 00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:54,960 years for $5,000. 1322 00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:56,160 >> Yeah. 1323 00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:59,200 and no maintenance. So I I would I would 1324 00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:00,559 uh 1325 00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:01,040 >> our 1326 00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,319 >> we've had these we've had these 1327 00:52:02,319 --> 00:52:02,960 arguments. 1328 00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:05,119 >> I would argue that with the the citizens 1329 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:07,040 all together because we are doing really 1330 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:09,359 well with that and you explain it but it 1331 00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:10,160 is a 1332 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:12,720 >> that's what I'm saying. It it is. But 1333 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,079 and then like is there a is there I 1334 00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:17,680 don't want to say rule but is there like 1335 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,680 a procedure of like 1336 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,680 >> they have to keep their trucks you know 1337 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,920 nice inside and not just like trash them 1338 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,040 because again you go back to work 1339 00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:25,520 trucks. 1340 00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:27,200 >> We do monthly inspections on ours. 1341 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,760 >> Okay. So do all departments kind of do 1342 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:30,880 that or 1343 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,079 >> we wash. 1344 00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:34,400 >> Okay. I was just curious cuz 1345 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,280 >> yeah you know a larat sell way better 1346 00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,240 than an XL. 1347 00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,480 >> Oh for sure. I know. 1348 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,319 >> There was times we were making 9 and 1349 00:52:42,319 --> 00:52:45,359 12,000 on top of what we paid for it. 1350 00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:47,040 >> It's not that I wish those 1351 00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,559 >> I wish those days are still here. 1352 00:52:48,559 --> 00:52:50,079 >> Yeah. I mean, sometimes we're like, 1353 00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,960 1500, sometimes we're 3,500, but and 1354 00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,200 sometimes we have lost a little bit 1355 00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:57,440 before too as well. But I think in the 1356 00:52:57,440 --> 00:52:58,960 end 1357 00:52:58,960 --> 00:52:59,920 of life, 1358 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,040 >> remember that. 1359 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,520 >> Now, I just I just want to point out 1360 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:05,359 Scott was talking about the ladder track 1361 00:53:05,359 --> 00:53:08,000 and the brush track. On the latter front 1362 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:12,470 particularly, um 1363 00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,160 what we were talking about is maybe it 1364 00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,240 would be more prudent to go out and seek 1365 00:53:16,240 --> 00:53:19,280 out outside leasing options because we 1366 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,240 just cannot fund a $2.3 million vehicle 1367 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:23,520 right now. 1368 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:25,839 >> It's it's a big vehicle even in the 1369 00:53:25,839 --> 00:53:26,160 home. 1370 00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,599 >> We paid those back in 1371 00:53:29,599 --> 00:53:31,760 those rusted falling apart. 1372 00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:32,720 >> Yeah. 1373 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,040 I spoke to several financial 1374 00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:36,400 institutions that were down at the 1375 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:38,720 league conference as well kind of about 1376 00:53:38,720 --> 00:53:40,960 that and and they have they've been 1377 00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,720 helping several communities with that 1378 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:43,920 specific 1379 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:50,000 >> you know situation to say this is a very expensive vehicle and so they 1380 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,640 they've been working on some creative 1381 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,200 funding ways to to do those. So we'll 1382 00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,040 continue 1383 00:53:57,040 --> 00:53:59,520 paying ourselves interest on 1384 00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,359 >> three and a half weeks. on the ladder 1385 00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:05,520 truck. Could you use impact fees because 1386 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:08,000 it is growth of the big building 1387 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,880 >> only commercial only commercial? 1388 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,280 >> We need to get that law change back only 1389 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,079 commercial. 1390 00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:15,680 >> We just don't respond on residential 1391 00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:22,390 fires anymore. 1392 00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:23,200 » I agree. 1393 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:24,559 >> To give you an idea how much it's gone 1394 00:54:24,559 --> 00:54:26,319 up, when we bought our last ladder 1395 00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:29,359 aerial truck um in 2002, we paid 1396 00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:31,599 284,000. There need to be some more 1397 00:54:31,599 --> 00:54:34,400 competition injected into that market. 1398 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:35,839 >> Brian and I are going to open a 1399 00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:37,359 manufacturing 1400 00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:40,559 ladder four years today. 1401 00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:41,680 >> It'll be four years. 1402 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:43,359 >> What do they manufacture those? 1403 00:54:43,359 --> 00:54:45,440 >> There's several. Um the one the ones we 1404 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,920 buy in Nebraska. 1405 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:49,440 >> I think these several I'll call each 1406 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:50,559 other and say, "Hey, what you selling 1407 00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,240 them for this year?" 1408 00:54:52,240 --> 00:54:56,400 >> How much you bet? 1409 00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,559 >> Yes. Um we if we pay up front they'll 1410 00:54:58,559 --> 00:54:59,599 give a discount. 1411 00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:08,230 >> But how much do you have? 1412 00:55:08,240 --> 00:55:10,400 » Four years. 1413 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:12,559 >> Could we order two and then resell the 1414 00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:19,270 other one? 1415 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:24,390 » Never be used. 1416 00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,880 » We get We have paper. pick it up. But 1417 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:27,520 that's it. 1418 00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:35,910 >> I don't know why we figured out 1419 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,440 the price they give us. That's the 1420 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,400 price. 1421 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:45,829 Why would you order 1422 00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:46,480 money? 1423 00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:47,440 >> Yeah. 1424 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,390 >> Someone's got to get in on this market. 1425 00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:54,799 Kathy will tell you why. Once once you 1426 00:55:54,799 --> 00:55:57,599 order it, it goes into our budget. 1427 00:55:57,599 --> 00:56:03,829 >> The funds, 1428 00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:06,400 » you need another golf tournament. 1429 00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:08,160 >> Can you increase some golfing? 1430 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:12,789 >> Tomato tomatoes. 1431 00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:15,040 » So, for the revolving loan fund, we're 1432 00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,240 spending $2.4 million on those vehicles. 1433 00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:19,040 >> Okay. 1434 00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:22,000 >> Um park tax. We just got this this 1435 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,760 morning. Emily put this together for me. 1436 00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,160 This is what was awarded or been being 1437 00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,559 proposed to be awarded. 1438 00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:34,240 Um you can kind of see it's $410,300 1439 00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:37,839 worth of um projects. I put in an 1440 00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:41,599 additional $10,000 on top of that. 1441 00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:44,799 Sorry. Um for advertising for the park 1442 00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:48,000 tax because we can put out a procon 1443 00:56:48,000 --> 00:56:50,640 um letter. So we wanted to make sure 1444 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:52,640 there was some funding for that 1445 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:54,559 >> and the committee will hear that next 1446 00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:57,200 Wednesday. 1447 00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,000 >> Great. So here's the over overview of 1448 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,160 the car tax fund. 1449 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,119 >> The general fund 1450 00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,440 uh sales tax is steady right now. Um 1451 00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,520 building permits revenue is down. We 1452 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,680 showed about 15% granted through this 1453 00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,720 year to March. Um, in previous years 1454 00:57:14,720 --> 00:57:16,319 we've transferred excess fund balance 1455 00:57:16,319 --> 00:57:18,000 from the utility fund to the capital 1456 00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,240 fund. We're going to do that again and I 1457 00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:21,839 don't want anybody to panic when they 1458 00:57:21,839 --> 00:57:23,920 see it. We're not expending it even 1459 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:25,760 though we have to expend it in one fund. 1460 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,000 The other fund recognizes it the revenue 1461 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:31,200 there. So, um, again, we'll be 1462 00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,480 transferring funds. Um, then that will 1463 00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,559 be roughly equivalent. And I just wanted 1464 00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:38,079 to kind of illustrate that if you look 1465 00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:41,280 at the original budget from 2026, we 1466 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:42,799 split it between the general fund and 1467 00:57:42,799 --> 00:57:44,799 the utility fund because we've 1468 00:57:44,799 --> 00:57:46,480 transferred everything from the utility 1469 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:48,240 fund. It doesn't have fund reserves. 1470 00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,920 We're going to transfer the full amount 1471 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:54,000 from the so it kind of distorts 1472 00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:58,240 um the use of fund reserves. 1473 00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:00,480 So the general fund is comprised of all 1474 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,319 these funds that roll up. All these 1475 00:58:02,319 --> 00:58:03,839 little funds roll up and you'll see that 1476 00:58:03,839 --> 00:58:06,240 in the audit. 1477 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:08,960 Um, this is what's being requested in 1478 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,119 the general fund, the BNC fund, and what 1479 00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:14,319 has not been funded yet, the building 1480 00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:16,160 maintenance fund. Again, we might have 1481 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,720 to transfer money to pay for that HVAC 1482 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:23,430 system, the engineering department, 1483 00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,440 uh, the parks, 1484 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,599 the fire department, 1485 00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:28,640 the library. 1486 00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:31,440 >> Does that park needs to be yellow, 1487 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,280 doesn't it? 1488 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:37,200 I thought they were supposed to be red. 1489 00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,789 >> That's true. 1490 00:58:40,799 --> 00:58:45,910 » Yellow ones are cheaply 1491 00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:47,599 police department, 1492 00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:51,599 >> the pool, the senior citizens, the 1493 00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,799 cemetery, and the 58 1494 00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:56,640 replacement where, 1495 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:57,440 >> pardon me, 1496 00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,119 >> carpet replacement on the seniors. He 1497 00:58:59,119 --> 00:59:01,359 said where? In the senior center. And we 1498 00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:04,640 just barely replaced the carpet. 1499 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:08,240 >> This is in their actual office area. 1500 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:09,680 >> We can't drop them on. 1501 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,839 >> Are we are we not furthering the 1502 00:59:11,839 --> 00:59:14,960 discussion of Wilson moving them to 1503 00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,240 Wilson? 1504 00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:18,480 >> Yeah, that's one of the items I think. 1505 00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:19,680 Um 1506 00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,839 >> I just wonder if we you know replace the 1507 00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:23,200 carpet if we're going to be you know 1508 00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,400 putting you know walls maybe signing the 1509 00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,000 police department that 1510 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:28,880 >> Yeah. 1511 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:33,040 Could be. Yeah. We can float that. 1512 00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:38,230 >> We're still going to use the bank hall. 1513 00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:39,760 » This is for the others. Most of this is 1514 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,359 through the Eldrich grant as well. The 1515 00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:43,040 money's there. So, we can float it and 1516 00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,280 we see how our progress goes on 1517 00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,200 >> or you could use this towards Wilson. 1518 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:48,799 >> So, we can use it towards Wilson in the 1519 00:59:48,799 --> 00:59:50,480 future. Right. Exactly. 1520 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:50,880 >> Yeah. 1521 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,720 >> So, so they do now that they did 1522 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,720 announce as well that was all in this 1523 00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:55,760 process. So, 1524 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,839 >> have we given nebo a date of when we 1525 00:59:57,839 --> 00:59:59,119 want to take over the building or not 1526 00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:01,599 yet? They they're gonna exit it next 1527 01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:02,880 June. 1528 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,760 >> June 2027 school year. Okay. One more 1529 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,280 school year. 1530 01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:11,440 >> Then we'll need an increase in budget 1531 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,200 obviously to revamp and redo 1532 01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:16,799 >> do certain things depending on how much 1533 01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:17,520 we do there. 1534 01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:18,240 >> Yeah. 1535 01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:19,920 >> Let's keep that in mind as we go through 1536 01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:20,559 this year. 1537 01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:21,119 >> Right. 1538 01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:22,640 >> And in future I mean we should put the 1539 01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:24,000 library there 1540 01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,079 >> and that's one of the options. Yeah. 1541 01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:30,880 So, the general fund is a $32 million 1542 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,559 fund and that includes all the little 1543 01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:35,680 tiny funds. They're not little tiny but 1544 01:00:35,680 --> 01:00:37,520 smaller funds that roll up into the 1545 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,119 general fund. And you'll see more detail 1546 01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:42,960 in your budget document, but here's the 1547 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,799 breakdown of all the expenditures for 1548 01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:48,240 all the departments that roll into that. 1549 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,040 The redevelopment agencies, um, we have 1550 01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,480 two. The first one is the town. mainly 1551 01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:57,200 we use that to pay the Walgreens uh 1552 01:00:57,200 --> 01:00:59,359 reimbursement and that'll be paid off in 1553 01:00:59,359 --> 01:01:01,599 October 2028 1554 01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,520 and then the business park one is the 1555 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,440 innovation center and we also received 1556 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:09,760 some sales that 1557 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:14,720 >> on the RDA fund for the business park 1558 01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,160 are we getting money back from um from 1559 01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,720 the ball fields as Woodenberry sells 1560 01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,400 property we're supposed to be getting I 1561 01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:22,720 think 1562 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:26,160 >> we're supposed to I I don't I haven't 1563 01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:31,040 >> about 83. How much Nathan was quite 1564 01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,119 >> 60ome. 1565 01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:35,200 >> Well, that might be coming back quite a 1566 01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:37,200 bit this year. 1567 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,760 >> It will be. 1568 01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,839 >> And are we starting to get more revenue 1569 01:01:41,839 --> 01:01:43,920 from the the gravel pit above the 1570 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:46,160 landfill yet? Is that has that 1571 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,440 >> that deal with Kenny saying uh reached 1572 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:50,319 >> it balance point? 1573 01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:51,920 >> It has a little bit more trouble. 1574 01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,400 >> A little bit more. Yeah, I I looked at 1575 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,160 the last um analysis and it gosh, how 1576 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,559 much? Three. 1577 01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:02,880 >> Yeah, they're still they they gave us 1578 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,559 credit because they did the ball field 1579 01:02:04,559 --> 01:02:05,760 and the other things and then as soon as 1580 01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:07,119 that's paid back, they start paying 1581 01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:08,079 royalties again, 1582 01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:11,510 >> right? 1583 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:13,520 » The scale was agreement. 1584 01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:15,119 >> Yeah. Just one thing to make you aware 1585 01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:17,119 of. We we had a meeting with Kenny Sang 1586 01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:20,960 and and Gary Nelson, the CEO, 1587 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:26,319 uh two days ago. Kenny Sang has um sold 1588 01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:28,000 that his business 1589 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:33,200 >> to Granite Construction. Oh, 1590 01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,599 >> we're still figuring out I mean the 1591 01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:37,760 contract's going to go on with signed to 1592 01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:42,559 whoever, but if it's they might keep that subsidiary, Kenny 1593 01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:45,119 Sank Construction, but it's it might say 1594 01:02:45,119 --> 01:02:48,079 Kenny Sank Construction subsidiary 1595 01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:49,839 construction. 1596 01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:52,480 Um I don't think it's going to make any 1597 01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,119 difference. We we still have the the 1598 01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:56,559 agreement. We still get the royalties. 1599 01:02:56,559 --> 01:02:57,920 We get everything, but 1600 01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,079 >> it's new management. So, 1601 01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,079 >> I'm just excited for that balance to 1602 01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:05,760 balance out so we can start getting that revenue because there's a lot of 1603 01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:07,359 gravel trucks come out of there. 1604 01:03:07,359 --> 01:03:09,520 >> The other thing and Kenny saying Kenny 1605 01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,359 said that they have been slower this 1606 01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:11,920 year. Yeah. 1607 01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:13,280 >> A lot of their projects have been up 1608 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:14,160 north, 1609 01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:15,920 >> but it's kind of bouncing out again. 1610 01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:17,920 There's that they've got the park area 1611 01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,079 in Salem. There's different projects 1612 01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:21,599 down here. So, it will pick up. 1613 01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:24,559 >> Well, when they do I-15, it will 1614 01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,000 >> be rolling down. That's why we got the 1615 01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:30,480 scales a few years ago because they're certified for UD do projects. 1616 01:03:30,480 --> 01:03:31,920 >> The other thing we need to get changed 1617 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,359 is that they know gets all the sales 1618 01:03:35,359 --> 01:03:37,680 tax. That's where his home his home 1619 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,200 office is. That's where we bail it out 1620 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:40,799 of. We need to get that changed. It's 1621 01:03:40,799 --> 01:03:42,720 different for CNN plans. 1622 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,559 >> And I I talked to this tax commission 1623 01:03:44,559 --> 01:03:46,079 today. We're going to have a a guy get 1624 01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:47,680 on our next economic development board 1625 01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,680 and talk about things like that. I 1626 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:53,039 talked to him about about the taxes for 1627 01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:56,480 gravel and he said there is sales tax 1628 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,240 but he said a lot of the projects that 1629 01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,480 come out of gravel pits are not taxed 1630 01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,119 >> because you do u dot's tax exempt 1631 01:04:03,119 --> 01:04:04,720 schools are tax exempt these big 1632 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,640 projects that use a lot of the federal 1633 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,200 highways tax exempt so he said it's not 1634 01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:10,960 as much as you think you're going to get 1635 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:12,960 >> well still a good amount are though 1636 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:15,520 taxed the privates and and whatever we 1637 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,520 do to actually help literally the road 1638 01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,359 situation I understand. I'm just saying 1639 01:04:19,359 --> 01:04:22,319 that it's it's if we get all that gravel 1640 01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:23,760 that goes out, we're not going to get 1641 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,440 revenue on all that. 1642 01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,359 >> And and if they're UD do projects or 1643 01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:28,720 school projects, which a lot of those 1644 01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:29,760 are, 1645 01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:32,079 >> we won't get it. We'll get some if if we 1646 01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:35,200 can get that law change that it comes be 1647 01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:36,640 a huge help to where it is, not where 1648 01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:38,559 their offices are. 1649 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,400 >> Well, we are going to try to pick the 1650 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,559 brain of the tax commission at our next 1651 01:04:42,559 --> 01:04:43,280 meeting. 1652 01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:46,079 >> Several things. You get all the traffic, 1653 01:04:46,079 --> 01:04:48,960 dust, road deterioration, and noville 1654 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:50,319 benefits. So, we need to get that 1655 01:04:50,319 --> 01:04:51,920 changed 1656 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,599 >> cracks. 1657 01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:56,000 >> Oh, sorry. I should have mentioned that 1658 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,319 we did put in $100,000 in landscaping 1659 01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:00,079 for the RDA business park. 1660 01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:02,000 >> Are we going to do entrance signs to the 1661 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:05,200 business park that landscaping? 1662 01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:06,960 was going to be like we 1663 01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:11,280 had central Utah water help us uh design 1664 01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,119 a a garden landscaping garden 1665 01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:17,119 >> down at we'd like to get that put in but 1666 01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:18,640 there's there's money there to do signs 1667 01:05:18,640 --> 01:05:19,119 as well 1668 01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:20,960 >> I think we have to put some get the 1669 01:05:20,960 --> 01:05:23,440 signs down we talked about for long time 1670 01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,520 >> and just for the just for the council on 1671 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,000 these RDAs we we have we have no RDAs 1672 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:31,520 that are still functioning these RDAs 1673 01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,520 ended several several years ago but 1674 01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,039 there have been revenue still in there. 1675 01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:35,760 That's what 1676 01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,200 >> And now you can't do certain uh 1677 01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,520 >> they're they're harder to get CRA. You 1678 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:42,880 have to get permit. You have to get 1679 01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:44,400 approval of the school districts and 1680 01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,760 stuff like that. So, we still we still 1681 01:05:47,760 --> 01:05:49,200 budget for this. We have to deal with 1682 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,799 this, but we're not getting any more 1683 01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:54,640 revenue into those RDAs except the EDA, 1684 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:56,240 the business park when like we sell a 1685 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:57,760 piece of property 1686 01:05:57,760 --> 01:05:59,280 >> that's in the name of the RDA, it goes 1687 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:01,359 into that fund. But we're not giving tax 1688 01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:03,760 increment like we used to. They they 1689 01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,520 ended quite quite some time ago. 1690 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:06,960 >> One thing we haven't put in this budget 1691 01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:08,880 yet is the inland port. We will start 1692 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,680 getting money in November 1693 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:28,789 400 probably dece. 1694 01:06:28,799 --> 01:06:30,880 » So just some items are coming soon. Of 1695 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,319 course, the Whiffy bonding and the 1696 01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:35,119 projects will bring those forward. Um, 1697 01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:36,799 $5 million sewer bonds that's coming 1698 01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:40,160 next Wednesday. Um, the dog park uh with 1699 01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,200 the meat packing plant demolition. 1700 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:46,960 Wilson school within one year remodel. 1701 01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:49,760 Um, admin remodel for police if it's 1702 01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,839 allowed or seismic requirements or 1703 01:06:51,839 --> 01:06:54,000 possible land purchase for new police 1704 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:54,880 station. 1705 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,160 >> So, are the bay land purchase? Um, the 1706 01:06:58,160 --> 01:06:59,920 dog part and meat packing. Are those on 1707 01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:01,839 the same line for a reason? 1708 01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:03,039 >> It's the same place 1709 01:07:03,039 --> 01:07:05,359 >> where the old 1710 01:07:05,359 --> 01:07:06,400 >> and 1711 01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:08,000 >> I guess I hadn't heard anything further 1712 01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:09,039 from that. So, that's I was just going 1713 01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:10,400 to ask like 1714 01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,400 >> I feel like it's much better to put a 1715 01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,880 dog park in a new subdivision rather 1716 01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:16,480 than in the existing subdivision. 1717 01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:17,599 >> Yeah. And it doesn't have to go there. I 1718 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:18,640 know there's been discussion about 1719 01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,440 putting uh some storage. Well, I think 1720 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,440 storage sheds we get a lot more mileage 1721 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,839 out of where it makes 1722 01:07:25,839 --> 01:07:28,880 >> I I I know that if we tried to put a dog 1723 01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:33,359 park there there one very substantial 1724 01:07:33,359 --> 01:07:35,119 >> well then then we'd have the the pig 1725 01:07:35,119 --> 01:07:36,720 slaughter house next door to the dog 1726 01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:38,720 park that's just too much for the 1727 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,039 >> well across the street from Kitty Corner 1728 01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:42,960 from the meat slaughter house there's 1729 01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,480 already a dog park called the ball 1730 01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:46,960 fields 1731 01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:47,920 nonstop 1732 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,240 >> you are in our wellhead protection zone 1733 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:52,000 where that site is. So, it's about the 1734 01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:53,599 best place. 1735 01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:56,640 >> Yeah. I don't think 1736 01:07:56,640 --> 01:08:00,160 >> Yeah, I just think that could be that space there next to our PI pond 1737 01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,400 could be used for much more advantageous 1738 01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:03,680 means for the city and the residents 1739 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:03,920 that 1740 01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,760 >> I thought it'd be a good pond that they 1741 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:07,359 could jump in and the dog. 1742 01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:10,000 >> Yeah, we could really justify those all 1743 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,839 the EMPs. 1744 01:08:11,839 --> 01:08:13,599 >> I said if we're holding we could have 1745 01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:15,920 doggy Olympics. That's right. 1746 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,520 >> But I I think I think we're bursting the 1747 01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:19,040 seams for storage for all the 1748 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:20,400 departments. They didn't put the storage 1749 01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:22,159 sheds down there. Or hey, let's just 1750 01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:23,920 repaint the Dixon meat building with 1751 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:27,910 some 1752 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:30,480 » Yeah, that that's not fun. 1753 01:08:30,480 --> 01:08:32,400 >> Is that correct? 1754 01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:33,279 >> The what? 1755 01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:35,040 >> The the demolition of the 1756 01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:36,560 >> the last budget adjustment. We put some 1757 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:37,359 money in there, didn't we? 1758 01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:40,640 >> Did we did that include the asbestous 1759 01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:41,520 mitigation? 1760 01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:42,880 >> Yes. 1761 01:08:42,880 --> 01:08:43,440 >> Yeah. 1762 01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:45,279 >> I I think that needs to come down as 1763 01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:46,640 soon as possible. The only reason it's 1764 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,880 not down, I wish it was down because I I 1765 01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:52,719 was promised by he's not here. I get to 1766 01:08:52,719 --> 01:08:55,520 take the first swing with the track, but 1767 01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:56,880 the only reason it's not down is because 1768 01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,239 of that that 1769 01:08:58,239 --> 01:09:00,640 >> asbestous mitigation 1770 01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:02,480 >> and we we had no idea there was 1771 01:09:02,480 --> 01:09:04,080 asbestous. That building was built so 1772 01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:05,679 many years ago. But 1773 01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:08,560 >> you have to follow it. It's expensive. I 1774 01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:12,319 mean, $40,000 to make mediate before you 1775 01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:14,799 tear it down is just crazy to me. That's 1776 01:09:14,799 --> 01:09:16,480 such an old 1777 01:09:16,480 --> 01:09:19,120 >> building actually 1778 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:23,839 get down the sooner we take that down. 1779 01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:25,520 >> The other thing just on this is that 5 1780 01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:27,520 million sewer bond there's a parameter 1781 01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,560 resolution that will come to the 1782 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:29,759 council. 1783 01:09:29,759 --> 01:09:32,480 >> It's when we did a parameters resolution 1784 01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:35,040 before we started this sewer bond the 1785 01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,359 council approved up to 70 million. I 1786 01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:39,520 think Bob was on the council. 1787 01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:41,440 >> This five is not in addition to the 70 1788 01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:43,440 million. this will get us to the 70 1789 01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:46,159 million, but the bond council said since 1790 01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:47,759 it's been so long since that parameters 1791 01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:49,839 resolution, we have to do a new one. I I 1792 01:09:49,839 --> 01:09:51,120 didn't feel like we had to do a new one 1793 01:09:51,120 --> 01:09:52,560 because we already had approval from the 1794 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:54,400 council, but because of the time lapse, 1795 01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:56,880 they're saying we got to go back to that 1796 01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:58,400 additional 5 million even though it's 1797 01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:01,280 within the number the council approved 1798 01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:02,560 three years ago or 1799 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:04,480 >> it started out at 65 and they approved 1800 01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:05,840 it up to 70. 1801 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,480 >> The council approved the the cap at 70 1802 01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:10,080 million. We kept it. We didn't think 1803 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,199 we'd ever get to that high, did we? 1804 01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:14,800 >> But then we started hearing the horror 1805 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:17,360 stories of Logan and Provo and Spanish 1806 01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:21,920 Pork. Spanish Pork budgeted 76 and they 1807 01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,480 ended up at one 109. 1808 01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:27,679 >> They're 110. Provo's up to like 160 1809 01:10:27,679 --> 01:10:29,440 million. 1810 01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:30,719 >> Somebody's making a lot of money through 1811 01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:33,840 this co everything blamed on CO. 1812 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:35,520 >> But just so you know, it's not something 1813 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,080 we're asking more than the 70 million. 1814 01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:39,760 But but we have to do the rest of 1815 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,080 >> something we got we got to do. 1816 01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:43,360 >> Yeah, we're going to have to use that to 1817 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:44,960 finish up the plant by the end of the 1818 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,520 year. 1819 01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,600 >> But some good news is we actually 1820 01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,520 because of the bonds we already took out 1821 01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:53,040 that we actually gained a lot of 1822 01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,239 interest with them sitting there. So we 1823 01:10:56,239 --> 01:10:58,880 paid millions in payments through that 1824 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,239 interest. 1825 01:11:00,239 --> 01:11:00,640 >> Very good. 1826 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:01,840 >> The other thing we might have to deal 1827 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,320 with the arbitrage and it depends on how 1828 01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,320 fast we spend it. that that's when you 1829 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,080 have tax exempt bonds. If you hold it 1830 01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:10,159 and you make so much interest, 1831 01:11:10,159 --> 01:11:11,520 >> you have to go through an arbitrage 1832 01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:12,960 calculation. And if you've made too much 1833 01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,159 interest, you have to pay some of that 1834 01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:15,280 back. 1835 01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:17,920 >> The IRS to 1836 01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:19,280 >> we want to spend it quick enough. We 1837 01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:20,640 have made some good interest to help the 1838 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:23,040 bond payments, but we might have to I 1839 01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:24,480 mean, we're doing a calculation right 1840 01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:26,640 now on on that. We might have to owe a 1841 01:11:26,640 --> 01:11:31,199 little bit, but it's not near what we gained. 1842 01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:33,120 >> It's pretty smart. 1843 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,880 >> There's one more thing. It's not 1844 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,400 budgetary that's coming down the pike 1845 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:38,239 because we might have to adjust the the 1846 01:11:38,239 --> 01:11:41,199 pit agreement red bridge. 1847 01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,360 >> So that will be coming the state 1848 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,120 auditors 1849 01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,120 interpreting the pit legislation 1850 01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,800 different than we have 1851 01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:49,280 >> and so 1852 01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,199 >> the news has got hold of that lately 1853 01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:54,320 >> have they they're beating it up. 1854 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:56,880 >> Yeah. What what 1855 01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,080 >> what what the argument is is we've u 1856 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,159 when we do a pit the council has to 1857 01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:04,400 approve the initial pit. 1858 01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,000 even though we're not part of the board, 1859 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,400 we're not part of the organization 1860 01:12:08,400 --> 01:12:10,800 and and they're a standalone. They don't 1861 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,040 have to come to us for, 1862 01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:14,640 you know, to expend money and stuff like 1863 01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:18,239 that. But since the pits have been 1864 01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:21,280 created, uh there's one in Castle, 1865 01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:21,920 >> Coleville 1866 01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:23,679 >> or Coleville, there's one in Coville and 1867 01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:27,120 one in Ivans or Santa Clara that have 1868 01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,960 gone bankrupt. 1869 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,040 And so the state auditor position is you 1870 01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,199 guys created it. It needs to be added to 1871 01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:35,360 your financials as a component unit at 1872 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,000 the city. And we're fighting that and 1873 01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:39,440 the cities are fighting that and the 1874 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,360 leagues helped fight that. But the state 1875 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:44,560 auditors just nope. 1876 01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:46,239 >> And we don't even want to go there 1877 01:12:46,239 --> 01:12:47,840 because they said it's not going to cost 1878 01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:50,000 you anything. But once you get the nose 1879 01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,920 of the camel, it's it's a component unit 1880 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:53,040 and they go bankrupt and they're going 1881 01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:54,000 to come to the city. 1882 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:55,520 >> Well, you have to recognize that. 1883 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:56,880 >> You have to recognize the debt, 1884 01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:59,920 >> the liability and the debt. And that was 1885 01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:02,480 something that's not even anticipated in 1886 01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:03,199 the original 1887 01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:05,600 >> our our bond attorneys that helped with 1888 01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:07,199 that. They're they're going to propose 1889 01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:11,840 some language to go back and amend our pit agreement and put some language 1890 01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:13,520 in so that it's not anything moving 1891 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,679 forward. But it it's been a battle. 1892 01:13:15,679 --> 01:13:18,880 There have been several long meetings on 1893 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:22,000 Zoom with the state auditor's office and 1894 01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,560 legislators and a lot of cities trying 1895 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:29,440 to figure out why is the state auditor doing this? 1896 01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:32,080 >> Well, good hell that that Utah state set 1897 01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:33,679 the parameters. I mean, they allowed 1898 01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:36,080 this to do it. Well, in the state of 1899 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,800 Utah past saying it's not that way, but 1900 01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,360 the state auditor position right now is 1901 01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:45,040 um they follow Gazsby, the government I 1902 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,640 don't know what it stands for, Gabby. 1903 01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,000 >> Governmental law accounting standards 1904 01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:48,880 board. 1905 01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:49,600 >> Yeah, 1906 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,560 >> that's that's a standard that that the 1907 01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,239 auditors supposed to look to when they 1908 01:13:54,239 --> 01:13:56,320 audit governmental entities and they're 1909 01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:58,000 saying we have to abide by that even 1910 01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:00,880 though the state hasn't adopted Gazsby 1911 01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,239 and the states has other laws, but 1912 01:14:02,239 --> 01:14:04,159 they're saying no Gatsby trumps. So 1913 01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:07,040 there's been a little battle with the 1914 01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:12,320 legislators, the legislators that are against that and then the state 1915 01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:13,920 order. So it's it's been a battle. 1916 01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,640 >> So was it the city agreed to it and then 1917 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:18,640 they're saying that the city council was 1918 01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:19,760 supposed to agree to it? Am I 1919 01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:20,239 understand? 1920 01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:22,159 >> No, they're explain that. Sorry. They're 1921 01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:23,760 saying that they're a component unit 1922 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,400 because we exercise 1923 01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,280 um control through having them do 1924 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:33,280 reports and according to the appointing 1925 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,600 to their board. Even though we don't do 1926 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,120 that, 1927 01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:38,960 the state auditor is saying because of 1928 01:14:38,960 --> 01:14:42,239 the structure of the pit that it is a 1929 01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:43,760 component unit and we're fighting that 1930 01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:45,840 saying no, we've never done these things 1931 01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:49,280 and we don't exercise control. What the 1932 01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:51,040 watchd dogs are saying right now on the 1933 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:54,080 news is that there is not an elected 1934 01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,120 body that is controlling the funds that 1935 01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,040 it's just 1936 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,360 a construction the other day about a 1937 01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:10,709 develop. 1938 01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:11,920 » Yeah, I was like I thought that's what 1939 01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:12,480 they wanted. 1940 01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:15,440 >> That that's what the legislator wanted. 1941 01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:17,440 They wanted basically they wanted the 1942 01:15:17,440 --> 01:15:19,679 city to create it so you could have that 1943 01:15:19,679 --> 01:15:20,719 public 1944 01:15:20,719 --> 01:15:22,320 >> infrastructure district so you could 1945 01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,320 have the public part of it access the 1946 01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,840 public bond market. 1947 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:27,679 >> You go back and read the minutes we 1948 01:15:27,679 --> 01:15:30,159 approved it. I think it was several 1949 01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:32,159 council members that were saying as long 1950 01:15:32,159 --> 01:15:33,840 as it doesn't have anything to come back 1951 01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,120 on the city 1952 01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:36,159 >> and then now 1953 01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:37,520 >> well that's the way the legislature sold 1954 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,199 it when they created the law. It's like 1955 01:15:39,199 --> 01:15:42,000 they can have access to to governmental 1956 01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:43,360 bonding 1957 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,679 >> because it's a public infrastructure 1958 01:15:45,679 --> 01:15:47,040 district but 1959 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:50,000 >> but cities you're not liable in any way. 1960 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,199 You just have to create it because 1961 01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:52,719 that's what the state law said we had to 1962 01:15:52,719 --> 01:15:54,719 do and then they're on their own. 1963 01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:56,320 >> So you think this will end up in court 1964 01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,199 then? I think it's going to have to. 1965 01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:01,120 >> I think I think she has immunity though. 1966 01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:02,719 I mean, she's government entity and 1967 01:16:02,719 --> 01:16:04,719 they're saying that the attorney general 1968 01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:08,320 defends her. So, but the attorney 1969 01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:11,280 general also defends the other 1970 01:16:11,280 --> 01:16:13,440 legislation. So, 1971 01:16:13,440 --> 01:16:16,400 >> so I think her her real her argument is 1972 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:19,199 that the pit is creating a public 1973 01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:21,520 benefit from the infrastructure, but by 1974 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:23,360 the time we get that and it's dedicated 1975 01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:24,960 to us, it's a liability. 1976 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:28,239 >> We have to take care of it. 1977 01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:30,480 So Kathy, I say this is coming soon. Are 1978 01:16:30,480 --> 01:16:33,120 you anticipating these things will be 1979 01:16:33,120 --> 01:16:34,880 included in the budget? 1980 01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,400 >> They're not in the budget now, but 1981 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,480 you're anticipating that when the Canada 1982 01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:40,159 budget goes or when the budget's adopted 1983 01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:40,719 just in case. 1984 01:16:40,719 --> 01:16:41,760 >> Well, I don't even know when the 1985 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,560 budget's adopted. I just wanted to 1986 01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,199 >> to put it on the radar that we will be 1987 01:16:47,199 --> 01:16:48,719 having to face some of these things or 1988 01:16:48,719 --> 01:16:49,920 address some of these things. 1989 01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:54,470 >> It may not be the next budget year. 1990 01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:57,920 » You were town, Bob. property property 1991 01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:01,270 around 1992 01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,360 » which I think we give it to Tracy and he 1993 01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:04,880 opens another RV park 1994 01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:05,440 >> boom 1995 01:17:05,440 --> 01:17:11,189 >> and expanding 1996 01:17:11,199 --> 01:17:14,960 take it back. I give it to Carl. 1997 01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:24,950 >> Carl got the whole damn mountain. 1998 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:25,760 » Sorry. 1999 01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:27,600 >> If we put that part forward, we could 2000 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:29,280 get a grant to pay for all that. We 2001 01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:30,560 didn't have to pay for it. That's our 2002 01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:31,040 hope. 2003 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,199 >> That's our land. 2004 01:17:33,199 --> 01:17:35,199 >> The the owners came to him and ask 2005 01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:36,400 >> to do the what? 2006 01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:40,719 >> Find that land. We do land 2007 01:17:40,719 --> 01:17:43,520 from the federal government 2008 01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:48,790 dollar sign. 2009 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:50,159 » I reached out to the one and say how 2010 01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:52,960 much would you sell it for? 2011 01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,520 So just as a reminder when you adoptive 2012 01:17:55,520 --> 01:18:02,709 budget 2013 01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:04,400 » so when you adopt the tenative budget 2014 01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,880 you must set the time de date in place 2015 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:09,840 for transfers salary increases public 2016 01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:11,840 hearings budget adoption and certified 2017 01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:14,960 tax rate and we've tenatively scheduled 2018 01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:17,679 the budget adoption for June 17th at 6 2019 01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:21,040 o'clock. We're hoping we have the CTR by 2020 01:18:21,040 --> 01:18:22,800 then. Sometimes it comes in a little bit 2021 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:24,560 later, but we're hoping that they work 2022 01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,239 with us and we'll have that available 2023 01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:28,080 for us for both. 2024 01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:29,920 >> Do we need to hold the truth in taxation 2025 01:18:29,920 --> 01:18:31,120 before that? 2026 01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:33,600 >> No, because we're not doing. So, really 2027 01:18:33,600 --> 01:18:35,600 the survey tax rates what it is, right? 2028 01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:37,760 I mean, we we won't need that to make a 2029 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:38,719 adopt the budget. 2030 01:18:38,719 --> 01:18:39,600 >> Okay. 2031 01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:40,560 >> It's whatever it is. 2032 01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:41,280 >> Okay. 2033 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:44,080 >> But it be nice for us to know if we 2034 01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:45,840 projected revenues correctly. 2035 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,920 >> Yeah. So, that's all we've got for 2036 01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:48,800 tonight. 2037 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:55,750 >> That's it. 2038 01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:57,600 » Is there any other questions or concerns 2039 01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:58,880 or thoughts? 2040 01:18:58,880 --> 01:18:59,840 >> They'll come. 2041 01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:01,520 >> And and between like next 2042 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:02,560 >> Yeah. Let us sleep. 2043 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,880 >> Yeah. Next Wednesday we adopt the 2044 01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:06,960 tenative budget and then we've got till 2045 01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,400 June. So, we got a little over a month 2046 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:10,400 we can have more of these meetings. We 2047 01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:11,920 can have individual meetings. We can 2048 01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,719 talk about any budget and if we want to 2049 01:19:14,719 --> 01:19:16,560 change or adopt or put anything else in 2050 01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,480 there, take things out, we're sure 2051 01:19:18,480 --> 01:19:19,600 willing to listen. 2052 01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:26,149 >> No, I have one. 2053 01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:29,840 » Thank you. Everybody, staff, everybody, 2054 01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:31,360 >> do we need to adjourn? 2055 01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:33,600 >> Y 2056 01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:34,480 motion to adjurnn. 2057 01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:36,560 >> I move that we journ. 2058 01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:41,000 >> Second. All in favor say I.