1
00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:12,400
Payson and friends of Payson.

2
00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:16,520
It's 6:06 p.m. right on the dot.

3
00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:17,120
Uh

4
00:00:17,120 --> 00:00:19,320
before we get started, I would accept a

5
00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:20,760
motion

6
00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:22,800
to appoint mayor pro tem for this

7
00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:23,920
evening.

8
00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:25,800
>> I motion that we

9
00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,760
approve Bob Provost Guard as the mayor

10
00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,440
pro tem for this evening in the absence

11
00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:30,360
of Mayor Wright.

12
00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:31,360
>> I'll second.

13
00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:32,720
>> I have a motion and a second. All in

14
00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:34,520
favor, Council Lacey.

15
00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:35,200
>> Yes.

16
00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:35,920
>> Council Brian.

17
00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:36,720
>> Yes.

18
00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:37,480
>> Council Ryan.

19
00:00:37,480 --> 00:00:38,600
>> Yes.

20
00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:39,400
>> Council Land.

21
00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:40,360
>> Yes.

22
00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:42,240
>> Motion carries.

23
00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:43,600
All right.

24
00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:45,640
Um

25
00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:47,840
I've asked Tracy Zobell if he would give

26
00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:49,240
us an opening prayer and then Shawn

27
00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:50,520
Black will lead us in the pledge of

28
00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:57,790
allegiance.

29
00:00:57,800 --> 00:00:59,600
» Our dear Father in heaven, we come to

30
00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:00,720
the

31
00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:02,040
opening of this council meeting where

32
00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:04,440
we're grateful that we can meet together

33
00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,160
tonight to discuss the issues of Payson

34
00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:07,200
City.

35
00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:08,880
We ask you to please bless the leaders

36
00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:10,400
of the city, particularly the council

37
00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:11,880
tonight that

38
00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:13,840
they can make the best decisions for the

39
00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:15,720
citizens and the staff.

40
00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,080
We're thankful for this beautiful place

41
00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:18,720
we live and for the

42
00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,560
opportunity we have to discuss things.

43
00:01:21,560 --> 00:01:23,480
We ask a blessing that we may receive

44
00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,280
some moisture and

45
00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,760
rain or any form of moisture that to get

46
00:01:27,760 --> 00:01:29,080
us through the season and get us to

47
00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,160
winter.

48
00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,360
Again, Father, we're very grateful for

49
00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,360
the people that volunteer and work and

50
00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:39,880
serve this community to make it better.

51
00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:41,880
We're thankful for

52
00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,480
all those that are

53
00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,480
out serving our country at this time.

54
00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,280
We ask a blessing on them and pray for

55
00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,600
all those who

56
00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:52,040
need anything at this time, whether it's

57
00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:54,520
physical, emotional, or mental.

58
00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,160
Please ask I plead ask you to bless them

59
00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:58,040
and

60
00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,840
please bless us tonight as we travel. We

61
00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,280
may do so in safety. We say this in the

62
00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:02,520
name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

63
00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,680
>> Amen. Thank you.

64
00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,240
Uh item C, consent agenda.

65
00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:09,880
Everybody had the opportunity to review.

66
00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:11,240
>> We need the pledge. Mr. Mayor, the

67
00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:11,440
pledge.

68
00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:18,430
>> Oh, sorry. Sorry, Sean.

69
00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,040
» I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

70
00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,840
United States of America and to the

71
00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:27,120
republic for which it stands, one nation

72
00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:30,400
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

73
00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:36,190
justice for all.

74
00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:39,640
» All right. Now, item C, consent agenda.

75
00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:42,080
Council, have you had any opportunity to

76
00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:43,240
review?

77
00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:47,470
Any Any changes or suggestions?

78
00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,080
» I motion that we approve the consent

79
00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:49,880
agenda.

80
00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,280
>> I'll second.

81
00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,080
>> Have a motion and a second. All in

82
00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,760
favor? I. I.

83
00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,760
Consent agenda passes.

84
00:02:58,760 --> 00:02:59,680
Uh

85
00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,400
petitions, item D.

86
00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,560
>> It doesn't say roll call votes, so

87
00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,640
>> Doesn't say roll call? Okay.

88
00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:07,200
Then I'll go. Councilwoman

89
00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:07,840
>> Yes.

90
00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:08,720
>> Councilman

91
00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:09,519
>> Yes.

92
00:03:09,519 --> 00:03:10,239
>> Councilman

93
00:03:10,239 --> 00:03:10,760
>> Yes.

94
00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:11,400
>> Councilwoman

95
00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:12,600
>> Yes.

96
00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,160
>> You get that?

97
00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,519
Sorry.

98
00:03:16,519 --> 00:03:17,120
Uh

99
00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,560
item D.

100
00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,440
We will uh we have no report from Steve

101
00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,239
today, so we'll table

102
00:03:24,239 --> 00:03:27,440
uh or not not entertain I-15 update to

103
00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,040
this evening.

104
00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,360
Item number two, youth recognition of

105
00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,640
youth city council seniors, Shelby and

106
00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:42,670
Ryan.

107
00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,120
» Sorry, I couldn't see over my

108
00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,200
prizes we're handing out here.

109
00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,760
Uh residents and uh city staff, city

110
00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,880
council, mayor pro temp, uh we'd like to

111
00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:54,400
invite our outgoing youth city council

112
00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,000
members that are leaving us to go on to

113
00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,680
bigger and better things. If we can have

114
00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,680
Ella and Josh and Zeke come stand up

115
00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:07,430
here with me.

116
00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,400
So, these are our three graduating

117
00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,040
seniors and they were with us from the

118
00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,800
beginning. Just You were a little late,

119
00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,360
but you you you got on board pretty

120
00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,280
quick. But uh but they they came on at

121
00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:18,880
the beginning of this year when Shelby

122
00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,120
and I actually were able to meet

123
00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,360
organize and restart the youth city

124
00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,320
council. We didn't have a lot to go on.

125
00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,080
Shelby and I talked to Springville city

126
00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,520
to see what they were doing, got a few

127
00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,600
ideas, and then the rest of it uh we

128
00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,480
made up as we went and I think it turned

129
00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,240
out really good. And uh these youth uh

130
00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:36,400
these three in particular are pivotal. I

131
00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:37,919
am sad to see them leave. They were

132
00:04:37,919 --> 00:04:39,600
leaders. They came up with some of the

133
00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,560
best ideas. They were reliable. They

134
00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:43,600
showed up. And they asked really good

135
00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,720
questions and were extra respectful and

136
00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,360
just fun to be around. And so, on behalf

137
00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,320
of myself, rest of city council, to Josh

138
00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,240
and Ella and Zeke, we are going to miss

139
00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:55,520
you. And so, uh I'm going to invite

140
00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,600
Shelby to come up and share a few words.

141
00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:59,520
And then after she's finished, if you'll

142
00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,919
please just share with us uh one thing you liked about youth city

143
00:05:02,919 --> 00:05:04,080
council and then share with us what

144
00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:05,440
you're doing

145
00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,120
after now that you're big kids now,

146
00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:08,840
okay?

147
00:05:08,840 --> 00:05:12,950
>> Big kids.

148
00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,560
Okay, I wrote a whole thing for you

149
00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:15,058
guys.

150
00:05:15,058 --> 00:05:16,160
>> [laughter]

151
00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:17,800
>> So, this is one of those bittersweet

152
00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:19,919
moments that comes with being an advisor

153
00:05:19,919 --> 00:05:21,400
for youth.

154
00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:22,240
Tonight, we celebrate the

155
00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:23,840
accomplishments of our seniors and look

156
00:05:23,840 --> 00:05:26,040
forward to all that lies ahead for them.

157
00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:27,400
But if I'm being honest, this is also

158
00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:28,840
the part where we realize some of the

159
00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:30,600
best leaders are leaving us and we start

160
00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,080
wondering how we're possibly going to

161
00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,520
replace them.

162
00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:35,120
The truth is, you don't replace people

163
00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,240
like Ella, Ezekiel, and Josh. Every

164
00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,760
youth council member leaves their own

165
00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,320
mark and these three have left a big

166
00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:41,280
one.

167
00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:43,320
Ella was one of the very first members

168
00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:46,480
of the new Payson youth council. When

169
00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,560
you help start something from the

170
00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,280
beginning, you help shape what it

171
00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:51,400
becomes.

172
00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:52,840
Ella has been there through the growth,

173
00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:54,640
the changes, the activities, and all the

174
00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:56,440
moments in between.

175
00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:57,920
More than anything, she has always

176
00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,000
brought fun. Every group needs people

177
00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:01,800
who make service enjoyable and help

178
00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:04,040
create memories along the way, and Ella

179
00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:05,960
has done exactly that.

180
00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:07,320
Youth Council simply would not be the

181
00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,520
same without her energy, sense of humor,

182
00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,200
and willingness to jump into whatever

183
00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,320
idea we had.

184
00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,720
Ezequiel also joined us early on, and

185
00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,760
his first real day as a Youth Council

186
00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,600
member set a pretty high standard. While

187
00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,240
most people ease into new activities,

188
00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,200
Ezequiel's introduction to Youth Council

189
00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:26,960
was Local Officials Day at the State

190
00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,560
Capitol.

191
00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:30,840
For those who have participated in that,

192
00:06:30,840 --> 00:06:32,680
you know that it's one of our favorite

193
00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,040
activities every year, but it can be a

194
00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:36,280
lot.

195
00:06:36,280 --> 00:06:37,600
Since then, he has grown into an

196
00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,360
incredible leader and now serves as our

197
00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,280
Youth Assistant Mayor. He has

198
00:06:41,280 --> 00:06:42,440
represented our group with

199
00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,800
professionalism, dedication, and a

200
00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,080
willingness to serve others. Watching

201
00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:48,960
him step into leadership roles has been

202
00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,440
a privilege, and our city is better

203
00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,440
because of his involvement. Then there's

204
00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:53,964
Josh.

205
00:06:53,964 --> 00:06:56,574
>> [laughter]

206
00:06:56,584 --> 00:06:56,960
[gasps]

207
00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:58,640
>> Josh may have joined Youth Council a

208
00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:00,080
little later than the others, but from

209
00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,760
the moment he got involved, he made a

210
00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,640
tremendous impact, not only on Youth

211
00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:05,880
Council, but also on our Youth Court.

212
00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,000
Throughout high school, Josh has

213
00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,520
faithfully served in Youth Court, and

214
00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:09,760
honestly, I don't know what I would have

215
00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,640
done without him when I first took over

216
00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:13,560
the position.

217
00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:15,200
When I stepped into that role, Josh knew

218
00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,160
more about Youth Court than I did. He

219
00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:18,600
patiently helped me figure out what

220
00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,320
Youth Court was, how it worked, and how

221
00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,280
to keep it organized and running.

222
00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:23,680
There are very few students who leave an

223
00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,240
organization better than they found it,

224
00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:26,520
and Josh is absolutely one of those

225
00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:27,520
people.

226
00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:29,400
As advisers, we hope that students learn

227
00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,200
leadership, service, and responsibility

228
00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,360
through programs like Youth Council.

229
00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:34,760
But if I'm being honest, sometimes the

230
00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:36,720
students teach us just as much. These

231
00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,480
three have reminded us that leadership

232
00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:39,840
isn't always about being the loudest

233
00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:41,560
person in the room. It's about showing

234
00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,880
up consistently, serving others, making

235
00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:45,600
people feel included,

236
00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:47,000
and leaving things better than you found

237
00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:48,120
them.

238
00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,120
Over time, we've shared meetings,

239
00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,680
activities, service projects, trips, and

240
00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,400
countless memories together. There have

241
00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,680
been early mornings, long events, group

242
00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,280
photos that took probably a little too

243
00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,000
long, and enough food to sustain a small

244
00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,050
army, which that is not an exaggeration.

245
00:08:04,050 --> 00:08:05,280
>> [laughter]

246
00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:06,840
>> Through all of it, Ella, Ezekiel, and

247
00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:08,560
Josh have helped create the community

248
00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,000
that makes Payson Youth Council special.

249
00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,240
To our seniors, thank you. Thank you for

250
00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,040
your time, leadership, service, and

251
00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,040
example you've set for younger members.

252
00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:18,480
Thank you for making us laugh, for

253
00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,360
stepping up when needed, and for helping

254
00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,000
build a program that future students

255
00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,240
will continue to benefit from.

256
00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,440
While we're excited for all that lies

257
00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,640
ahead for you, know that you leave

258
00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,200
behind a legacy here in Payson Youth

259
00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,840
Council. We are proud of the people you

260
00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,120
have become, and we can't wait to see

261
00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:39,390
what comes next.

262
00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:40,080
» You start talking

263
00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:44,670
>> so sure.

264
00:08:44,680 --> 00:08:46,760
» Uh one of the things I loved about Youth

265
00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,600
Council was just being able to get

266
00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,400
involved and look behind the scenes and

267
00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,320
see

268
00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,680
everything that the city and local

269
00:08:54,680 --> 00:08:57,040
government really does for us.

270
00:08:57,040 --> 00:08:57,720
Um

271
00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,480
after this, I plan on serving a church

272
00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,240
mission, and then studying architecture

273
00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:03,320
in college.

274
00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:04,600
>> Have your call?

275
00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,040
>> Not yet.

276
00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:06,480
Okay.

277
00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:07,720
Thanks, Zeke. Let's give Zeke a round of

278
00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:13,310
applause.

279
00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:15,720
» Um okay, I say this every single time,

280
00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,880
but my favorite thing about um being a

281
00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:19,200
part of Payson City Youth Council is

282
00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,120
hanging out with Ryan and Shelby.

283
00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:22,920
And there's it's there's a lot more to

284
00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:24,280
it than just hanging out with two

285
00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:26,320
amazing people, but like I think it's so

286
00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,720
cool for the youth to be able to

287
00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:30,360
be in a setting where they get to see

288
00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:31,880
like things that you don't really see.

289
00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:33,600
Like you're like, "Ooh, city council

290
00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:35,320
meetings are scary, and that's where all

291
00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,760
the adults are." And but it's like it's

292
00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:40,080
cooler than like it's perceived and so

293
00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,760
it's cool to

294
00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,200
have a thing where the youth can see how

295
00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,920
a city is run and all the little bits

296
00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,040
and pieces that go into it and that

297
00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:51,000
that's my favorite part of city council

298
00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,320
and all that fun jazz. Anyways,

299
00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:54,680
um I plan

300
00:09:54,680 --> 00:09:56,120
I'm going to go and I'm going to serve a

301
00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:57,640
mission for the Church of Jesus Christ

302
00:09:57,640 --> 00:09:59,840
of Latter Day Saints and then afterwards

303
00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,480
go to college and all that stuff. Yeah.

304
00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:09,190
Mhm.

305
00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:11,320
» I I definitely have to say my favorite

306
00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:13,160
thing about the

307
00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,560
youth city council is just the

308
00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:16,120
connection between

309
00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:19,120
uh everyone there. There's always uh

310
00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:20,680
good community there.

311
00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:21,880
Um

312
00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:23,840
and my plans

313
00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,360
now it's the a church service mission in

314
00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,840
Fort Worth, Texas and uh

315
00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:35,150
after that hopefully college.

316
00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:47,710
I am.

317
00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:48,880
» And thanks to all the parents for

318
00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:58,390
supporting them as well.

319
00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:07,790
» I sure am.

320
00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:18,350
» Thanks.

321
00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:26,030
» Uh September.

322
00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:27,360
» That's nice budget nice. We're going to

323
00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,600
turn the decision making over to them.

324
00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,400
We're going to sit and listen now.

325
00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:32,480
>> Nobody?

326
00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:39,150
>> Yeah, it's a great idea.

327
00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,600
» Okay, moving on to

328
00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,880
uh open public forum.

329
00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:45,960
Uh I'd like to I'd like to say one thing

330
00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,320
before we

331
00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,280
go to the public forum.

332
00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,520
Items 11, 12, and

333
00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,390
13. Am I got that right?

334
00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:58,760
12, 13, and 14.

335
00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,680
Items 12, 13, and 14

336
00:12:01,680 --> 00:12:04,400
is merely uh this evening force for

337
00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:08,240
council to either accept or reject

338
00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:11,880
uh the annexation petition, which will,

339
00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,960
if we accept it, will allow staff

340
00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,720
to go to work and get the information

341
00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,560
that we need to make an educated

342
00:12:19,560 --> 00:12:22,120
decision on whether we

343
00:12:22,120 --> 00:12:23,560
would like to bring it in. So, there's

344
00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:26,600
no official public hearing this evening

345
00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,880
on that, but if you would like to say

346
00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:32,160
something concerning that this evening,

347
00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,560
we'd like to have maybe two or three of

348
00:12:34,560 --> 00:12:36,520
those that may be here that would like

349
00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,720
to say something, and if they would keep

350
00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,720
their comments to a minimum of 3

351
00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,080
minutes.

352
00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,080
Thank you.

353
00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,190
I would accept a motion for the public forum.

354
00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:48,520
» Yeah.

355
00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,080
>> Oh, public forum is open.

356
00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,280
Please come to the mic, state your name,

357
00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:54,880
your address,

358
00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:56,120
uh

359
00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:06,870
and tell us what's on your mind.

360
00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:10,480
» Lee Orton, Payson.

361
00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,560
We have a couple of concerns that's

362
00:13:13,560 --> 00:13:17,280
bothered us over the years. Uh

363
00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:21,000
the festivities are coming. Fireworks.

364
00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,640
They're banned in certain areas. Where

365
00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:26,760
we live is a lot of

366
00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,440
debris and grass and brush, fire

367
00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,760
problems all the time.

368
00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:33,680
And

369
00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:37,200
bottle rockets, illegal fireworks

370
00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:40,480
in a restricted area. And we have not

371
00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,200
yet seen any patrol

372
00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,960
over the years to

373
00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:47,520
combat this.

374
00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,880
And it's now no water.

375
00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,320
Pretty dry this winter, so

376
00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,080
grass is still growing.

377
00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,400
Everything's dry, going to burn easily.

378
00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,640
So, our question is, are we going to

379
00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:04,520
have is the city going to put out any

380
00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:05,880
extra

381
00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:07,360
coverage in

382
00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,800
patrolling for illegal fireworks and see

383
00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:11,880
if we can

384
00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,680
curb some of the fires.

385
00:14:14,680 --> 00:14:16,720
And some of the problems that's caused

386
00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:18,560
by the fireworks.

387
00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:20,320
You know, last year we watched a kid

388
00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,680
come off of 600 East and rode right down

389
00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,160
into the Hollow Park on his motorcycle

390
00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,400
and started lighting off bottle rockets.

391
00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,240
10, 15 minutes later, there he goes.

392
00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,160
You know, it's just

393
00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:34,640
one of these days it's going to take off

394
00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,040
and burn.

395
00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,720
My second question is is on Gary's

396
00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,000
Meats.

397
00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,000
It's been

398
00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,320
over 20 years now.

399
00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:53,230
Is he hooked up to the sewer line?

400
00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:54,360
» His home still

401
00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:56,760
>> The home is is the business hooked up to

402
00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,829
the sewer line?

403
00:14:59,839 --> 00:15:02,839
How long does it take to do that?

404
00:15:02,839 --> 00:15:05,440
These are These are your ordinances. You

405
00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,680
people sit up here and put it in the

406
00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,800
ordinance, city law.

407
00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,200
And

408
00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,600
it's been over 20 years.

409
00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,440
The holding pen is supposed to be

410
00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,120
enclosed, soundproof, smell proof.

411
00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,960
No change.

412
00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,840
Parts of it's built with a

413
00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,000
extension ladder. Part of it's built

414
00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,640
with a guardrail.

415
00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:31,960
It's not the code by no means.

416
00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,000
I had to build the code, but evidently

417
00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,640
the slaughterhouse didn't have to build

418
00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,320
the code. And still avoids

419
00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,120
ordinances and issues.

420
00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:47,440
And it's been a while and we still haven't

421
00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:49,400
seen anything other than things get

422
00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,920
worse.

423
00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:55,240
The yard looks like a

424
00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:58,000
wholesale wrecking yard. Vehicles for

425
00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:02,560
sale, pallets stacking up. It's

426
00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,280
I don't think any of that's supposed to

427
00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,200
be allowed on that property, but yet the

428
00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:10,200
city turns a blind eye to it from my

429
00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:13,520
side of the fence. What we see, nothing

430
00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:15,760
happens to these people. He's still in

431
00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:17,000
business

432
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,680
and he's not held to account.

433
00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:22,520
>> Lee, thank you. You're out of time, but

434
00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,680
I will tell you from my point of

435
00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:26,120
perspective

436
00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,000
is we have a beautification committee in

437
00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:30,560
place right now that is just hitting the

438
00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,760
ground.

439
00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:33,360
And we have a wonderful letter that has

440
00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:35,000
been approved by the council that is

441
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:36,320
going out

442
00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,480
to those specific businesses and

443
00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,520
residences to address that.

444
00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,800
As far as the fireworks go

445
00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:45,400
I know our police department can't be

446
00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:46,640
everywhere.

447
00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:48,680
Uh you're looking at one who was a

448
00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:50,520
result of a bottle rocket that started a

449
00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:53,960
fire in my yard about 8 years ago.

450
00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:57,040
Um I sympathize with you there.

451
00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,080
But I do know our police force is out

452
00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,160
and about. They can't be everywhere when

453
00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,400
every bottle rocket does go off, but I

454
00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,640
know that they are citing

455
00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:08,680
and they are are following up with with

456
00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,760
reports of fire illegal fireworks.

457
00:17:12,760 --> 00:17:13,920
>> And you might get with our chief of

458
00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:15,600
police and give him your address so they

459
00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,720
know where you are.

460
00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,199
>> And I will add to that not only police

461
00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:20,480
department, but on on nights where

462
00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,079
fireworks are allowed, the actual fire

463
00:17:22,079 --> 00:17:24,079
department does patrol around,

464
00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:25,280
especially in those higher danger,

465
00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:27,240
higher restricted areas, and they

466
00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:28,800
they've been pretty good about enforcing

467
00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:30,280
those. So, we are mindful of that, and

468
00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:32,440
it is extra dry, like you said, and so

469
00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:33,720
that is top of mind for the fire

470
00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:35,000
department. I have spoke to the fire

471
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:39,550
chief about that.

472
00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:41,040
» That's cuz you're not starting any

473
00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,640
fires, so thank you.

474
00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:45,640
>> Lee, thank you for your comments.

475
00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,800
Very appreciated. Anybody else from the

476
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:55,390
public that would like to

477
00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,360
» Thank you, city council members, for

478
00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:58,560
giving me a chance to share some

479
00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,280
thoughts, and I I have a a little State

480
00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,160
your name, please.

481
00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,400
>> Uh my name is Taylor Ellis.

482
00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,560
Um

483
00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:09,000
I'm a a home and property owner on uh

484
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:10,920
400 East. My

485
00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,240
property shares the western boundary

486
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,600
with the Haskell addition parcel.

487
00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,560
Um so, I wanted to speak a little bit

488
00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,800
concerning that. Um would it be

489
00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,400
appropriate to hand these out now before

490
00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:23,200
I say

491
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:23,760
>> Yes.

492
00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:40,830
>> Okay.

493
00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:47,670
» That's a

494
00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,520
» Um anyway, yeah, thank you for the the

495
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,080
opportunity. Um I I wanted to say that

496
00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,640
I'm not against this annexation and the

497
00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:58,320
development of these parcels. Um I'm I'm

498
00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,240
extremely fond of of Mark and Marjorie

499
00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:02,360
Haskell.

500
00:19:02,360 --> 00:19:04,440
Um would like for them to get the value

501
00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:06,480
for their land and and be able to set up

502
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,040
again somewhere to do what what they

503
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,640
like to do and live the way they want to

504
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:10,760
live.

505
00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:12,640
Um for me, the question is not whether

506
00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:14,520
the annexation should happen at some

507
00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,880
point. Uh, rather I'd like to make sure

508
00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,560
that it's carried out well and and

509
00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,640
aligns with the the city's Eastside

510
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,960
Comprehensive Plan.

511
00:19:23,960 --> 00:19:26,840
Um, which Grow Development has stated

512
00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:29,440
that they're in alignment with. And, uh,

513
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,240
as a reminder Grow Development's the the

514
00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:34,760
sponsor of this annexation petition.

515
00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,080
Um,

516
00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,680
and and also in alignment with uh, the

517
00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:40,360
most recent master plan which

518
00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:43,720
specifically defers to the area plan for

519
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,200
implementing specifics.

520
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:47,600
So, um,

521
00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,320
on the published materials of this

522
00:19:49,320 --> 00:19:51,280
application I noticed that the score the

523
00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,760
city's own scorecard for determining

524
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,960
whether the city's resources should um,

525
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,480
entertain a study to move forward with

526
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:00,200
uh,

527
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,920
this annexation

528
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,240
um, gives them a a point five out of

529
00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:05,560
one.

530
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,240
Um, their application met 50% of the

531
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:09,680
criteria

532
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,160
um, for moving forward.

533
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,840
The city's calling this incomplete or

534
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,000
half-baked. The two most heavily

535
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,240
weighted items, utility infrastructure

536
00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,200
and community benefits, were both

537
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:22,960
substantially unmet.

538
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,920
The applicant has acknowledged they

539
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:26,920
intend to address those gaps after

540
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,760
annexation is approved.

541
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,360
Um,

542
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,800
anyway, I personally I I would like to

543
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:37,120
see a a a bigger effort and and due

544
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:39,880
diligence on the part of the developer

545
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,560
um,

546
00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:42,960
to

547
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,400
uh, acknowledge known conditions in in

548
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,440
their concept plans. Uh, known uh,

549
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,360
challenges uh, before

550
00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:53,880
resources are allocated to carry forward

551
00:20:53,880 --> 00:20:56,400
and and I hope that uh, those

552
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,240
um, concepts can actually reflect

553
00:20:59,240 --> 00:21:02,120
support of of that that plan.

554
00:21:02,120 --> 00:21:03,800
>> Mayor, thank you. You're you're out of

555
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:04,480
time.

556
00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:06,000
>> Okay, out of time? All right.

557
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,160
>> You I I I read a letter from you.

558
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:08,640
>> You did. Yeah.

559
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:09,600
>> Submitted to the city.

560
00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:10,120
>> Yep.

561
00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:12,920
>> Um thank you. We We all have that.

562
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:13,560
>> Mhm.

563
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,760
>> We all take very seriously what we're

564
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,280
looking at here.

565
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,640
Uh but there again, I merely state that

566
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,800
all that we're considering denied is

567
00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,640
if we want staff to give us a report on

568
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,280
where roads I mean, you've probably seen

569
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,760
I think you alluded to a cul-de-sac and

570
00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,040
some things, but staff ultimately will

571
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,480
be the one that looks at it and tells us

572
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,600
where our infrastructure should be

573
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,480
and what have you. And so

574
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,160
um we might be a little premature on

575
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,360
deciding what a subdivision is going to

576
00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:44,920
look like.

577
00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,200
>> I know I acknowledge that. And I What I would

578
00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,760
love is is for them to to give a little

579
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:54,560
uh a little more good faith and due

580
00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:56,800
diligence in their application.

581
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,000
And I I would hope that you you guys

582
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,600
would hold them to that before making

583
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,560
that determination to move forward with

584
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:03,440
the study.

585
00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:04,120
>> Okay.

586
00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:04,560
>> Thank you.

587
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:05,760
>> Taylor, thank you.

588
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,400
Appreciate your comments.

589
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:12,910
Anyone else?

590
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,760
» Am I able to present

591
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:15,480
our point?

592
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,480
>> At a public forum, I don't believe so.

593
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:18,000
No.

594
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,990
>> Okay.

595
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,640
Yeah, I could email it later. All right,

596
00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,960
my name is Jeremy Smith. I'm neighbors

597
00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,080
with Taylor. Um

598
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,760
My address is 633 South 1400 East.

599
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,640
Um I also

600
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,080
my west boundary of my property borders

601
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,080
with the Haskell annexation.

602
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,320
Um my main concern is with

603
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,800
the zoning on the application for that

604
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,960
piece of of property. It's On the

605
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,600
application, it's a R19 zoning request.

606
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,000
And I feel that that does not line up

607
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,360
with the um Eastside Comprehensive Plan.

608
00:22:56,360 --> 00:22:59,440
Where this is in the area of a township.

609
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,720
Um the plan gives

610
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,560
a a lot size for traditional lots, which

611
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,320
would be quarter to third-acre lots. And

612
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,920
then from there, it just says larger or

613
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,160
estate. And so the township is

614
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:15,000
considered a larger lot than the the

615
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,160
traditional. Um which

616
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,040
an R19 allows for a small lot as a 9,000

617
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,840
square foot lot, which would be 0.21. So

618
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,240
under a quarter.

619
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:27,320
Um

620
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,600
So my request would be that to not set

621
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,240
precedence by approving this application

622
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,480
with a R19 request,

623
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:36,720
but to require them to

624
00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,440
um adhere to the comprehensive plan

625
00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,080
and have at least a R1 uh 15, which

626
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:47,800
would be just about a a third of an acre

627
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:50,560
um as minimum lot size.

628
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,680
So that that's uh my request. Thank you.

629
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:58,270
>> Hey, thank you.

630
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,080
Anyone else like to address the council?

631
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:15,110
Staff?

632
00:24:15,120 --> 00:24:22,030
Yes.

633
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,200
» Mayor pro tem and city [clears throat]

634
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,080
council, I just want to take a second

635
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,080
and talk about the adventure day. For

636
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,840
those of you who are not able to attend,

637
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,080
um I want to thank Ryan Rowley. He was a

638
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,680
huge part of that. He was busy all day

639
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,800
long. So, and Brian, of course, he was a

640
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,920
part of um putting that event together.

641
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,800
Um I also want to thank Dave and Robert.

642
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,520
They were there all day long, too, and I

643
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,400
want to thank them for their support.

644
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:53,280
Um it was a very busy day, so our police

645
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,600
officers were everywhere, also. It

646
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,240
started with the Orchids Triathlon early

647
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,440
in the morning at the swimming pool.

648
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,800
And Jackie had her event. Police were

649
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,760
involved with all that.

650
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,080
And then we went with the Gran Fondo at

651
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,600
7:00 a.m. So, things started very early.

652
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,800
Um and so that was a quite a success. We

653
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,120
have a lot more people this year signed

654
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:19,920
up for the Gran Fondo and I think they

655
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:21,600
were really happy

656
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:22,960
with that.

657
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,600
And then at the park itself, uh

658
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:30,880
it was from 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.

659
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,320
And it was just so much going on in such

660
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:36,520
a short amount of time that it's like

661
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,480
three huge events into one in five five

662
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,000
or six or seven hours. So, it was it was

663
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:49,520
pretty amazing. Um during the Adventure Day, we had um

664
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:51,920
vendors, we had food vendors, we had

665
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,040
inflatables, we had a a boat regatta,

666
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,360
but we had a cornhole competition, a

667
00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:02,360
pickleball tournament, bingo, a 250-year

668
00:26:02,360 --> 00:26:04,840
that we were celebrating year 250, the

669
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,680
puzzle, gymnastics, we had plein air

670
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,600
going on at the museum, guided mountain

671
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,760
bikes, fly tying, photo contest.

672
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,600
Um at the information booth, if the

673
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:19,440
people who came uh we had a little map

674
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,920
for them if they went around all the

675
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,080
vendors, which is good because we want

676
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,480
our vendors to actually be able to talk

677
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,160
to everybody. So, as they would go

678
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,200
around and check off their little vendor

679
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,800
list, they'd come back to the

680
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,480
information booth and spin a wheel. And

681
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:35,320
then they were able to receive free

682
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,080
swag. And that's what this event is

683
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:42,320
about, too, is to keep reminding our um

684
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,520
our community at our new Adventure Day

685
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,000
um logo and theme. So, hopefully we'll

686
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,280
see a lot more swag around town cuz

687
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,160
there was a few hundred people who

688
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,160
received free swag at Bay. So, I want to

689
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,600
thank all the volunteers. It took so

690
00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,840
many volunteers from

691
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:03,640
um Shelby's team. They were there. Uh

692
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,960
the Rec Department. Everyone was on

693
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,600
board with them. Um it took city

694
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,400
employees to help run everything. I had

695
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,720
Robert out in the heat all day. I mean,

696
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,280
it was it was a lot going on. Yes, he

697
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:20,200
was I looked over there and he was all

698
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:25,160
red. I'm like, he needs a hat. It's the least I could do. Anyway, so

699
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:27,680
thank you cuz this event

700
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,320
um just wouldn't happen with

701
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,800
without the hundreds of volunteers. So,

702
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,040
our next event is not this weekend, but

703
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,320
next weekend. It's June 26th and 27th.

704
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,160
It's the Here Comes the Sun Rock

705
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,560
Festival.

706
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,640
Um this has been going on now for a few

707
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,640
years. Um if you love rock and roll, you

708
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,360
got to come. It's just super fun. So,

709
00:27:50,360 --> 00:27:53,640
Friday it starts at 3:30. We'll have

710
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,960
vendors, food trucks, and of course rock

711
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,720
and roll. We have a few built yeah food

712
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,960
booths. It's a tent No, photo booth.

713
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,920
It's a tent, but it's more like set up

714
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,000
like a photo so people can pretend

715
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,320
they're on stage and um we'll have

716
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:09,920
things for them and to wear so it'll be

717
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,880
like a photo booth. It'll be really fun.

718
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,040
Um we have some professional artists

719
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,760
coming to do some chalk art. So, that

720
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,480
will be fun while the concert's going

721
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,400
on.

722
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,960
And then Saturday it starts at 3:30. So,

723
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,800
we hope you all can come. Thank you.

724
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,520
>> Janine, thank you. Payson City and the

725
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,000
citizens are so lucky to have you

726
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,400
for all your effort.

727
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,880
Chief,

728
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,960
I was going to follow up on Mr. It looks

729
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:42,840
like he's left. Mr. Johnson's comments.

730
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:44,880
We we worked with Gary's to get him to

731
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,560
come in compliance with nuisance. So,

732
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,120
we'll revisit that and make sure they're

733
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,720
still in that. I I think we spent quite

734
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,960
a deal of time with them last year or

735
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,720
the year before, so we'll we'll revisit

736
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,840
that and make sure the cars are whatever

737
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:58,560
he's to I'll go look at it and make sure

738
00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,760
we're

739
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,960
as far as the other stuff, we'll

740
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:03,800
follow that as well, so.

741
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:04,480
>> Thank you.

742
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,160
>> Thanks, Chief.

743
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,550
>> Any other staff?

744
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,480
Then we'll go to Robert, David, either

745
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,320
of you? You good?

746
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,630
Then we'll go to Lacy.

747
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,120
» Um

748
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:24,040
I don't have anything really other than

749
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,240
uh I did attend a Four Bay

750
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,920
event last night and um

751
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:35,040
thankful to the previous council and

752
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:36,640
ones that are currently on it, too, that

753
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,480
helped protect it.

754
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,320
And I know Orion has like really

755
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,040
put a lot into it, especially um

756
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,520
and Carl and

757
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,280
um I say it time and time again, I love

758
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,080
Payson Canyon.

759
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,360
I think it's our biggest asset,

760
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:53,640
honestly.

761
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,120
Um it's a hidden gem and I love to tell

762
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,760
people about it, but I don't want to

763
00:29:57,760 --> 00:29:59,520
tell people about it because it's so

764
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,840
amazing.

765
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,000
And um

766
00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,040
just going up there, it was incredibly

767
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,880
peaceful. Um it was beautiful.

768
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,200
Um

769
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:12,480
it made you realize also

770
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:13,840
uh

771
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,280
mother nature and we spoke about the

772
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,440
fire of 2018

773
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,920
and uh

774
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,760
that's a huge huge concern for me this

775
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,080
year, especially cuz I live so close.

776
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,480
And I would hate to see that canyon ever

777
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,040
burn again. Um and so

778
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,240
um just

779
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,240
I just hope that everyone that utilizes

780
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,960
it really pays attention to that and how

781
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,000
dry it really is and

782
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,280
I know that you can't stop people, but I

783
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,240
guess I'm that person that fireworks are

784
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,000
my favorite thing. I have a birthday in

785
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,800
July and I say the fireworks are for me,

786
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:51,200
but

787
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,760
this year alone, I'd be I'd

788
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,360
I would 100% be done with fireworks for

789
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,080
the year. It's

790
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,280
so dangerous right now, but that's just

791
00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:02,800
my thing, but

792
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:04,960
thanks for inviting me to the four-bay,

793
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:05,880
but other than that, I don't have

794
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,710
anything.

795
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:09,880
» Councilman Youel.

796
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,960
>> I just got a couple things here. Um one

797
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,800
is we had a downtown event Friday that

798
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:17,040
tied into Adventure Day and just like to

799
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,640
thank Ronda Herron all the staff in the

800
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,080
city that helped with that. Um it was a

801
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:23,480
good event.

802
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,840
Also, um uh for Adventure Day, just uh

803
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,800
thank Carl and Janine and April and all

804
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,320
the volunteers and staff that helped

805
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,000
with that. It's it's a good event. It

806
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,960
really ties into our branding, helps us

807
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:36,600
with our branding.

808
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,240
Um and also

809
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,080
uh thank Rob. He's over He's the one

810
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,200
that started the Grand Fondo here in in

811
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,400
Payson, so we're really grateful for him

812
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,600
to bringing that. He does a lot of work for that and he did

813
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,920
give me a jersey. He said, "We have Tour

814
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,360
Utah jersey up there, so we need to put

815
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,360
his jersey up there." So, we'll have to

816
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,000
look at doing that. So, um anyway,

817
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,680
grateful to him.

818
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,880
And then just um just sorry I missed the

819
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,160
four-bay thing. I was out of town, so

820
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,880
that would that's just a great asset for

821
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,360
the city.

822
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,320
>> Councilman Youel.

823
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,280
>> Yeah, I think they've covered everything

824
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,760
I was going to say. The only I'm just

825
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,280
going to make the obvious comment.

826
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,880
Whenever I see that jersey, I think who

827
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,240
could fit into that? Who wore that? But

828
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:22,480
yeah, I don't I don't have anything to

829
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:23,800
report. Thank you everybody for being

830
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,240
here tonight.

831
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,480
>> Ann.

832
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,760
>> Um I echo everything that everyone else

833
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,760
said. I'm sorry couldn't be at Adventure

834
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,560
Days. I was out of town, as well, but I

835
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,560
was at the four-bay thing and every time

836
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,120
I go up there, I'm just so glad that we

837
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,400
made the decision we did. It was the

838
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,280
right thing to do and

839
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,800
um I hope we can keep it safe

840
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,440
and everyone enjoy it. We saw deer and

841
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:46,840
birds and

842
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:49,120
um the views are always spectacular and

843
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,480
so it is it is a valuable

844
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,000
um asset for Payson.

845
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,467
Um don't tell anybody about it.

846
00:32:57,467 --> 00:32:58,960
>> [laughter]

847
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,280
>> I grew up going to Zion and now that's

848
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:02,560
and we would have the whole hike to

849
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,760
ourselves and that's long past now.

850
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,160
Um

851
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,200
and just thanks as usual to everybody

852
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,080
that that we work with. We're really

853
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:12,600
lucky here. Thanks.

854
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:13,800
>> Thank you.

855
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,760
I I'm just thankful for staff

856
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,200
and for council members that

857
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,680
uh as thin as stretched as we are making

858
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:23,960
it to the ribbon cuttings, to the

859
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,560
groundbreakings,

860
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,200
to the four bays, to everything that we

861
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,320
have going on right now, to have

862
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,640
representation from the council. I

863
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,960
talked to three people that were there

864
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,680
last night and they said

865
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,040
council members were there. It was

866
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,840
awesome. It was just So, thank you thank

867
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,800
you guys for being

868
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,190
council members and representing Payson.

869
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:47,920
Moving on,

870
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,440
uh action item number E.

871
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:51,960
Uh I believe

872
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,600
Kathy and Melanie, if we could do items

873
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,360
1 2 3 Oh, Robert, go ahead.

874
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,080
>> Actually, um can we just announce that

875
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,240
item 15 is going to be tabled?

876
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,400
>> Yes. Thank you. I

877
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:08,470
Item number 15, if any of you are here,

878
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,800
» That's the the Payson Gateway plan. That

879
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,080
is correct.

880
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,320
>> And we've we've been asked to table that

881
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,240
until the first council meeting in July.

882
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:21,080
So, if anybody's here for that,

883
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:22,840
we're we're grateful that you'll stay,

884
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,200
but if not, uh

885
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,360
we'll we'll table that until till the

886
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,159
first council meeting in July.

887
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:35,879
All right, back to item E. Melanie and Cathy, if we could present items 1 2

888
00:34:35,879 --> 00:34:37,639
3 and 4

889
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,000
and then council will

890
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,520
uh entertain uh public hearings on each of those items.

891
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,919
>> Okay. So, I'm going to start with the

892
00:34:47,919 --> 00:34:49,919
certified tax. I'm going to review the

893
00:34:49,919 --> 00:34:52,040
budget with you. I'll turn the time over

894
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,360
to Melanie to review the compensation

895
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:55,760
portion and then let you go into the

896
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,320
public hearings.

897
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,840
Um you probably know I go kind of fast,

898
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,520
so if you have any questions, just stop

899
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,840
me.

900
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,880
So,

901
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,760
for this year's uh certified tax rate,

902
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:13,550
it's kind of what we predicted It's 0.001277.

903
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,960
Um if we look on a scale, it's a little

904
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,600
bit less than last year. So, you can see

905
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,080
it's kind of gone down a little bit. Um

906
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,720
here's kind of an impact to the

907
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,080
taxpayers based on home valuation. You

908
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,480
can kind of see what where you rank.

909
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,560
Again, this is Payson only. This is not

910
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,760
your total certified tax.

911
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,920
Um

912
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,400
now the the whole assessment, I don't

913
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,480
know if it was posted right or not, but

914
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,240
it's showing that Nebo School District

915
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:43,880
went down a little bit. So, that might

916
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,960
change. I'm not sure. And I heard that

917
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,800
Central Utah Water Conservancy might go

918
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,880
up. If it stays like this, Payson City's

919
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,800
portion is about 15% of your total

920
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,120
certified tax.

921
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,440
So, transfers and indirect costs, we're

922
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,960
going to have a separate public hearing

923
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,440
on this one also. And we've presented

924
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,200
this several times, but um indirect

925
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,760
services are those services provided by

926
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,000
the general fund, the vehicle

927
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,440
maintenance, and the IT department um

928
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:15,920
charged to various departments and to

929
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:17,600
the enterprise funds, and those funds

930
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,840
are transferred to support those

931
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,960
services.

932
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:25,160
Transfers are non-reciprocal transfers,

933
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,600
meaning they're just operational

934
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,640
transfers directly from

935
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,760
um

936
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,760
the enterprise funds to the general fund

937
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,960
or from the general fund to to various

938
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,400
programs and and uh enterprise funds.

939
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:38,960
Traditionally, the city has transferred

940
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,120
9% of enterprise funds to the general

941
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,440
fund.

942
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,200
This year we're we're trying to reduce

943
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,840
that or eliminate operating transfers to

944
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:49,080
the general fund, and you can kind of

945
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,680
see where we've lowered it to this year.

946
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,960
We hope to make more progress in the

947
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,160
coming budget years.

948
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:01,910
So, for Payson City budget

949
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,600
um changes to the tentative budget. So,

950
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,720
first we adjusted planning to uh

951
00:37:06,720 --> 00:37:08,240
development services wages for a

952
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:10,880
part-time hours for a current employee.

953
00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:13,440
We adjusted the RDA business park road

954
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,430
overlay for $504,000.

955
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,920
Um in police, we added um a donation to

956
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,600
the Children's Justice Center at Utah

957
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,200
County for $66,000.

958
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:28,640
Um we adjusted the Memorial Park

959
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,000
playground. Um and just to remind you

960
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,680
that $200,000 of that is a grant,

961
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,160
150,000 is an increase in the parks

962
00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,720
department, and 350,000

963
00:37:41,720 --> 00:37:44,000
is coming from the park tax budget. Half

964
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,200
of that was an increase.

965
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,480
Um adjustments to the sewer department,

966
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,280
we added the pit station rollover.

967
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,480
Um the internet to the lift station, the

968
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,280
streets department sewer project, and

969
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,360
the sewer master plan.

970
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,160
Um we added um Communities That Care

971
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,400
revenue of 35,000, and they also

972
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,120
received a grant for 18,000.

973
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,600
Um we rolled over the HVAC system in

974
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,520
administration and moved the

975
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,480
installation to the fall.

976
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,080
That's 700,000 increase for total of

977
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,280
950,000.

978
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,760
Um streets, we added a 3-month sidewalk

979
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:20,800
data entry person. That's a one-time

980
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,040
project cost.

981
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,560
Um projections and indirect services

982
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:28,120
were updated for 98,000.

983
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,280
And we adjusted 481,000 transfer from

984
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,520
the general fund to restricted debt

985
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,760
service in the capital service fund.

986
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:38,920
So, here's the reconciliation of those

987
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,200
amounts. You can kind of see

988
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:43,000
how it was

989
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,840
broken out if you have an interest in

990
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,680
that.

991
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:47,840
Um

992
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,120
budget highlights uh for fiscal year

993
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,560
2027, we're proposing

994
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,440
a 126 million 573,786

995
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,440
dollar budget.

996
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,520
Um for funded personnel positions, we're

997
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,040
requesting departments wait to mid-year

998
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,760
to fill them just so we can monitor the

999
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,080
economy because of the rumors

1000
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:10,800
about the economy.

1001
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,680
Um we've added um two increases for

1002
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,280
employees. A two per 2.7% increase will

1003
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:20,240
be allotted through COLA and the 1.3%

1004
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:23,120
will be merit at mid-year.

1005
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,120
And this is just a breakdown of the URS

1006
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:27,720
system, and you can kind of see the

1007
00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:30,360
breakdown. These amounts are added as

1008
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:35,870
employee benefit paid directly to URS.

1009
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,440
Funded personnel for this year, we're

1010
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,040
proposing the following new positions. A

1011
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:41,920
new police officer with promotional

1012
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,480
opportunities for two officers.

1013
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,840
Six EMTs for the ambulance department,

1014
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,320
we're offsetting that with part-time

1015
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,560
wages.

1016
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,320
A water employee with some seasonal

1017
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:53,880
help. Some adjustments for a public

1018
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,880
information officer. A a GIS position.

1019
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,600
And streets has requested again the

1020
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:02,680
500-hour employee for data entry of the

1021
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,190
streets condition.

1022
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,080
In the water fund, um we've allowed for

1023
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,720
a four-bay bond amount that's going to

1024
00:40:11,720 --> 00:40:14,040
be transferred from the general fund

1025
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:16,160
to the water department. The water

1026
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:17,840
department is charged with federal lead

1027
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:19,880
and copper lateral replacements that

1028
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,560
have been funded.

1029
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,080
The city is seeking options through

1030
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:24,440
WIFIA

1031
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:25,640
um

1032
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,000
funding for capital water, sewer, and

1033
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,400
storm drain projects. We'll be cut

1034
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,120
bringing that forward hopefully pretty

1035
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,520
soon.

1036
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,320
Um

1037
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:36,520
and then we'll also do a budget

1038
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,480
adjustment when it comes forward if that

1039
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,480
is approved. Um we've added design for

1040
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,240
the Main Street CUP project.

1041
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:47,240
And this is just a quick overview. Um

1042
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:48,920
those items that are highlighted in

1043
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,680
color are those items that we funded.

1044
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,000
Those in black were requested but we

1045
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,800
have not funded those this year.

1046
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,520
And the water the water fund has a

1047
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,710
$8,750,277

1048
00:41:03,720 --> 00:41:05,280
budget.

1049
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:06,800
And here's the offset to the

1050
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,600
expenditures.

1051
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:15,430
Impact fees for the water is $1,371,858.

1052
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,440
When you see the audit at the end of the

1053
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,240
year, the impact fees and the enterprise

1054
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,760
fund roll up into one one um

1055
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,120
presentation.

1056
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,920
And the solid waste

1057
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,920
um just a great deal of the budget

1058
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,080
expenses the landfill pertain to main

1059
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,440
maintenance and improvements to the

1060
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:34,800
landfill.

1061
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,480
Um in addition to the landfill, the

1062
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,160
solid waste department handles garbage

1063
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,760
collection and city snow plowing.

1064
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:42,840
The landfill is getting additional C&D

1065
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,240
revenue from school demoli- demolitions

1066
00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,200
and other projects. And they've

1067
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,160
requested fencing and a 10-wheel dump

1068
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:50,920
truck.

1069
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:52,760
And here is the solid waste revenue.

1070
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:58,030
It's uh $4,417,722.

1071
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,760
And the offsetting expenditures with

1072
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,880
that.

1073
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,760
In the electric power plant um

1074
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,600
they're concerned about large capital

1075
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,000
projects, the transmission line, the

1076
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,120
substation. Those both of those will

1077
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,280
come through impact fees. The power

1078
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:15,600
plant construction and lighting

1079
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,280
projects.

1080
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,840
2027 was scheduled as the third of a

1081
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,560
four-year rate increase plan.

1082
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,320
Um we're not going to follow up on that

1083
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:27,200
this year. We don't have any straight

1084
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,920
utility increases. There's a couple

1085
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,560
increases we're suggesting, but those

1086
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,200
are user fees, not utility fees

1087
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,760
necessarily.

1088
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,280
The electric plant payments made through

1089
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,040
UAMPS operational billing, um you'll see

1090
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:41,840
that in the operation. So

1091
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,000
we will not own the plant until it's

1092
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,960
paid off. So we don't have any debt

1093
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:49,200
service associated with that.

1094
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:50,720
A transfer from the general fund will

1095
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,080
cover the cost of the Utopia payments.

1096
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:56,480
And again, um there's a lot of projects

1097
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,080
going on in electric fund. The colored

1098
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,560
items are those that are funded. Um the

1099
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,400
color the item in black is uh WIFIA

1100
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:06,800
project. Again, we haven't budgeted for

1101
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,120
that yet.

1102
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:09,680
The electric power plant has a

1103
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,270
$23,698,501

1104
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,640
budget.

1105
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,960
And here's the offset to that.

1106
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:18,720
And then we also have impact fees

1107
00:43:18,720 --> 00:43:24,150
through the power for $4,613,000.

1108
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,710
And the sewer plant.

1109
00:43:27,720 --> 00:43:29,240
Um the sewer plant continues with the

1110
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:31,920
construction of the sewer plant. Um the

1111
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,120
sewer department is in a unique position

1112
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,480
cuz approximately 64% of operational

1113
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:38,720
revenue goes to debt service. So it's

1114
00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:41,560
really that is due to the big sewer

1115
00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:43,280
plant.

1116
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,200
We will have issued by tomorrow $5

1117
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,680
million bonds to complete the sewer

1118
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,520
project.

1119
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,240
And just a reminder that the city must

1120
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:55,280
maintain 1.25% bond cov- coverage.

1121
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:56,920
In coming years, particularly with the

1122
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:58,440
WIFIA funding, the city will be

1123
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,520
obligated to raise user rates if they

1124
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,160
cannot meet the 1.25% bond coverage.

1125
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,000
That won't be this year. We're not

1126
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:07,600
raising rates, sir.

1127
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:08,960
Um the sewer

1128
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,270
fund is $27,242,181.

1129
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:17,120
And the offsetting expenditures.

1130
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,960
And then they have impact fee projects

1131
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,750
for $966,200.

1132
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,480
And again, this is um

1133
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,560
it's hard to see up there. At the bottom

1134
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:29,360
two are the ones that were not funded,

1135
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,600
one from WIFIA, and one we're building

1136
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:37,590
up revenue to get them a camera van.

1137
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,200
The ambulance department.

1138
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,680
And the ambulance is almost at capacity

1139
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:44,320
of what they can provide the city due to

1140
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,600
available personnel. The city is looking

1141
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,360
at future equipment, employees, and fire

1142
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,200
station in order to more fully meet the

1143
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,880
needs of the city.

1144
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,920
In that vein, we funded six full-time

1145
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,960
positions.

1146
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,120
Um an ambulance was ordered last year

1147
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,240
and should be received.

1148
00:45:01,240 --> 00:45:02,840
It was ordered last year. It should be

1149
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:04,320
received in this coming budget year, we

1150
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,680
hope.

1151
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,040
A fire and ambulance impact fee study is

1152
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,480
being updated. And here's what we've um

1153
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,880
proposed. They asked for 14 full-time um

1154
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:16,960
EMTs, but we just didn't think we could

1155
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,870
squeeze that out of that fund this year.

1156
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,590
The ambulance has a $2,164,830

1157
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:28,710
uh budget.

1158
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:30,800
And the golf fund.

1159
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,120
The golf course is currently in

1160
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:35,640
construction for a par-3 golf course.

1161
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,360
Um this is expected to bring additional

1162
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,240
revenues and expand opportunities at

1163
00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:40,760
Gladstan.

1164
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,120
The RV pack park pack park is reserved

1165
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:45,360
out early in the year and has become

1166
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,320
quite an asset to the city.

1167
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,520
So, the two big items in the golf fund

1168
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,680
is a par-3 and a real grinder. And Tracy

1169
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:55,920
let me know that because of some of the

1170
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:57,960
watering issues and such that we might

1171
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:00,080
have to do an open budget coming up to

1172
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,240
help with

1173
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:03,920
um turf

1174
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,080
at the at the golf course.

1175
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,960
So, the golf um fund has is a budget of

1176
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:13,190
$4,166,361.

1177
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:16,760
And the offsetting expenditures.

1178
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,550
The storm drain.

1179
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:22,080
The primary purpose of the storm drain

1180
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,480
fund is to help enforce EPA regulations

1181
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,760
regarding storm water illicit discharge

1182
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:30,160
detect detection and elimination.

1183
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,840
The city has allocated $250,000 this

1184
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,360
year for curb and gutter projects and

1185
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:37,240
that's from a CDBG grant.

1186
00:46:37,240 --> 00:46:39,360
And here's the expenditures. Again, they

1187
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,720
asked for WIFIA funding. We have not

1188
00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:43,600
budgeted for that.

1189
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,990
The storm drain has a $2,398,787

1190
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,720
budget and the offsetting expenditures

1191
00:46:50,720 --> 00:46:52,440
for that.

1192
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,560
Internal service funds.

1193
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,240
Um these are the

1194
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:58,600
um vehicle maintenance requested and

1195
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,360
funded items.

1196
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:05,040
And IT requested items.

1197
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,360
The internals uh the vehicle maintenance

1198
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,600
fund is $677,285

1199
00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:16,030
and the IT budget is $978,026.

1200
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,150
The revolving loan fund.

1201
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,800
The city has a revolving loan fund to

1202
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,640
finance new equipment and vehicles. The

1203
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,480
cost of the equipment is expensed in the

1204
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,040
revolving loan fund. Amortized loan

1205
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:30,760
amounts are assessed to the departments

1206
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,000
to reimburse the revolving loan fund and

1207
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,080
build up funds for future allocation.

1208
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,280
Most loans are amortized over 3 years at

1209
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:38,920
this point.

1210
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:40,520
Vehicle replacement is based on the

1211
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:41,920
assessment of the vehicle maintenance

1212
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,360
director.

1213
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,200
And here are the items that we're

1214
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,200
rolling over this year and the ones that

1215
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,560
were not funded. And just the ones I

1216
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,080
want to point out is uh the downtown

1217
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:53,960
repayment to MAG. We're going to sell a

1218
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,920
building downtown,

1219
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,160
turn the funds over to MAG, and then as

1220
00:47:58,160 --> 00:47:59,360
soon as we sell the building, we're

1221
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,990
going to reimburse this fund.

1222
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:04,840
Um the revolving loan fund is

1223
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,390
$2,446,400.

1224
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:11,800
The park tax fund

1225
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,040
um

1226
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,640
the total is $585,300.

1227
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,480
Again, this is the with the increase in

1228
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,680
the Memorial Park playground. So, that's

1229
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:22,360
a little bit of a change of what they

1230
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,040
requested.

1231
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,760
So, there's $595,300.

1232
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,560
We added $10,000 for advertising for the

1233
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,760
park tax election that's coming up.

1234
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,360
In the general fund

1235
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,560
sales tax is steady right now. Building

1236
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,920
permit revenue is down and I understand

1237
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,600
that's pretty consistent with other

1238
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,360
cities right now.

1239
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:47,040
In previous years, we've transferred

1240
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:48,800
excess fund balance from the utility

1241
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,280
fund to the capital fund. This year, if

1242
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,800
we have excess um fund reserves, we're

1243
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:55,520
going to concentrate on transferring

1244
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,800
that directly from the general fund.

1245
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:02,080
The effect of that is that

1246
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,360
if I can get to it, it looks like we're

1247
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,080
expending more fund reserves out of the

1248
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,560
general fund. But, actually a good

1249
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,800
portion of that is the transfer of

1250
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,600
excess fund reserves. So, it's not an

1251
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,600
expenditure, it's a movement of fund

1252
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,080
balance.

1253
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,920
That also, and I just want to point out,

1254
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:20,800
gives the council opportunity to do

1255
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:22,840
capital projects. It's benefited the

1256
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,480
city because we've been able to do the

1257
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,920
downtown, we're funding half of the fire

1258
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,280
station

1259
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:30,680
and excess funds will be available for

1260
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:36,030
the council to allocate.

1261
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,160
And my thing stopped. I apologize.

1262
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,600
There we go.

1263
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,360
So, the general fund is comprised of the

1264
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:46,520
following individual funds that you'll

1265
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,280
see in the audit. Again, these all roll

1266
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,960
up into the general fund and when we

1267
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,040
talk about fund balance, it's a

1268
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,880
combination of all these funds. B&C

1269
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,080
revenue again is restricted funds. It's

1270
00:49:58,080 --> 00:49:59,440
not available for use for any other

1271
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:00,640
purpose.

1272
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,920
So, the funded and requested for the B&C

1273
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,080
fund,

1274
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:07,000
the building maintenance fund. Oh, I

1275
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:08,600
want to point out, too, that there is

1276
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,440
one B&C project that will not be

1277
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:12,840
complete by June 30. We will have to

1278
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,040
bring that forward for a budget

1279
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,600
adjustment so they can complete that

1280
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,680
budget. We didn't have it in time to get

1281
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:19,120
in this

1282
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:20,640
um budget

1283
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,360
uh proposal.

1284
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:26,480
Building maintenance, engineering,

1285
00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:28,480
parks,

1286
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,080
fire,

1287
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:31,800
a library,

1288
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,080
and the police station.

1289
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:35,680
Recreation,

1290
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,240
streets,

1291
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:38,640
pool,

1292
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,120
seniors,

1293
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:41,760
cemetery,

1294
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:43,400
petite meat.

1295
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,480
Here is the overall budget. If you look

1296
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:47,000
at the bottom, you'll see those little

1297
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,240
funds that roll up into the general

1298
00:50:49,240 --> 00:50:52,600
fund, beginning with B&C road funds. The

1299
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,520
total budget of the general fund is

1300
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,910
$34,013,391.

1301
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,840
And here's various we have

1302
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,400
various and broad um departments that

1303
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,320
participate in the city through the

1304
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,880
general fund.

1305
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:10,920
The RDAs, there will be a separate

1306
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:12,480
hearing on the RDAs, and we can come

1307
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,600
back to this if you have questions.

1308
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:17,840
The town redevelopment is primarily the

1309
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,720
uh the Walgreens economic development

1310
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:21,960
agreement, and that extends to October

1311
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:23,960
2028.

1312
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,320
And then we have the redevelopment

1313
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,120
business park, and that's primarily the

1314
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:30,990
innovation center.

1315
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:31,840
And I

1316
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,080
And here's the requested and the funded

1317
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:36,400
for the RDAs.

1318
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:37,560
I'm going to turn the time over to

1319
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,360
Melanie and let her go through the

1320
00:51:39,360 --> 00:52:01,590
compensation portion.

1321
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,440
» Okay, thank you. Um as Kathy indicated

1322
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:06,400
in the budget,

1323
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,560
um we are proposing

1324
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:12,160
um an increase for executives, um but

1325
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,960
starting in 2024, um there was a

1326
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:16,560
requirement that we have to hold a

1327
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,280
separate public hearing. So, even though

1328
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:20,920
Kathy's already highlighted and covered

1329
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:23,160
that, we're going to have um just take a

1330
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:24,360
minute and there'll be time for the

1331
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,920
hearing to highlight um on the executive

1332
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,910
positions.

1333
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,120
Yeah, it's not

1334
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:33,720
Let's see.

1335
00:52:33,720 --> 00:52:37,310
I'll let you drive it.

1336
00:52:37,320 --> 00:53:05,910
Please hold.

1337
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,910
Okay.

1338
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,800
So, um let me just go here. Um again,

1339
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:13,560
it's a statutory requirement to hold the

1340
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:16,040
public hearing. Um so, it's This is

1341
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:19,080
based on Utah Code 10-3-18,

1342
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:21,200
um that we cities are required to hold a

1343
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,200
public hearing on increases proposed in

1344
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,280
the budget uh for executive and

1345
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,230
statutory officers.

1346
00:53:29,240 --> 00:53:30,560
Um these are just some of the

1347
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,480
definition. Um compensation means

1348
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,800
salary, a budgeted bonus, or budgeted um

1349
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,640
incentive pay, a vehicle allowance, and

1350
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:40,360
deferred salary.

1351
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,880
And then compensation increase um as

1352
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:45,480
mentioned in the definition above.

1353
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,040
Um an executive municipal officer is

1354
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,360
defined as the chief administrative

1355
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,320
officer, assistant city attorney, um an

1356
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,320
individual is the head or chief of a of

1357
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,960
a department.

1358
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,360
Um so this is um the positions that um

1359
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:03,200
Payson City um

1360
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,080
has uh for our executive officers.

1361
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,280
Um and so it's proposed that um

1362
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:14,440
these individuals would receive um a 2.7

1363
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:15,120
um

1364
00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:20,360
2.7 uh percent increase and um up to a

1365
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,680
1.3. Um that's not a guarantee. Um we

1366
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:26,240
have a merit uh program based on

1367
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:29,160
performance evaluations. So um the total

1368
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,720
proposed increase for our executives

1369
00:54:31,720 --> 00:54:35,200
would be um 4% and this is the same um

1370
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:38,120
percent that as Cabbie has indicated is

1371
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:43,950
for all employees as well.

1372
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:50,430
Are there any questions?

1373
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,720
» Okay.

1374
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:54,240
Uh

1375
00:54:54,240 --> 00:54:56,960
at this point I would entertain

1376
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,880
a motion to open a public hearing

1377
00:54:59,880 --> 00:55:03,760
on the fiscal year 2026-2027

1378
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,760
certified tax rate.

1379
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,200
>> So moved.

1380
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,440
>> Second.

1381
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,600
>> Motion and seconded.

1382
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:13,400
Emily, did you get those?

1383
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:14,400
Okay.

1384
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,480
All right.

1385
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,000
Uh the the public

1386
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,560
hearing is open concerning the public

1387
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:21,800
tax rate. We need to uh

1388
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:22,853
Oh, wait.

1389
00:55:22,853 --> 00:55:23,120
>> [clears throat]

1390
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:23,440
>> Vote.

1391
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:24,360
>> Solidify vote.

1392
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:24,840
>> That's right.

1393
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:25,360
>> Yep.

1394
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:25,680
>> Thank you.

1395
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:26,640
>> Open the public hearing.

1396
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,480
>> Yep.

1397
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,440
Uh I would enter or since we've got a

1398
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:31,520
motion and a second, Lacy.

1399
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:32,360
>> Yes.

1400
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:32,840
>> Brian.

1401
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:33,560
>> Yes.

1402
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:34,160
>> Brian.

1403
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,280
>> Yes.

1404
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:35,760
>> And

1405
00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,040
>> Yes.

1406
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,560
>> Okay, now the public hearing is open.

1407
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,560
Uh anybody that would like to come up

1408
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,040
and make comment concerning the

1409
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:46,120
certified tax rate. There's four

1410
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:47,680
different public hearings that we need

1411
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,920
to have here as we move through the

1412
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,520
budget season.

1413
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,080
Uh and the first one will be the

1414
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:58,750
certified tax rate.

1415
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:01,240
» Sorry, I thought I had this saved.

1416
00:56:01,240 --> 00:56:03,960
>> Emily, is there anybody online?

1417
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,760
Not noting that anybody

1418
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,320
>> I know. I'm kidding.

1419
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:09,080
I can't. Sorry.

1420
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,520
I'm not as fluent in this.

1421
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:14,480
>> Okay. Not seeing anybody online or any

1422
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:16,960
public comment, I would accept a motion

1423
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:18,200
to close the public hearing.

1424
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:19,360
>> So moved.

1425
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:20,560
>> Second.

1426
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:22,840
>> Motion and second. Councilman Ann?

1427
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:23,120
>> Yes.

1428
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,600
>> Councilperson Ann?

1429
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,520
>> Yes.

1430
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,200
>> Councilman

1431
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,320
Ryan? [laughter]

1432
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:29,840
>> Yes.

1433
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:31,120
>> Councilmember Ryan?

1434
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:31,520
>> Yes.

1435
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:32,560
>> Councilmember Lacy?

1436
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:33,360
>> Yes.

1437
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,240
>> All right. Public hearing's closed.

1438
00:56:35,240 --> 00:56:37,520
Council dis- discussion.

1439
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,560
>> Uh could you go to the next slide?

1440
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:41,760
>> You bet.

1441
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,200
Right here?

1442
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,360
>> Yes, thank you. Um

1443
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,640
you know, property taxes are the most

1444
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:50,520
stable source of income for a city. Uh

1445
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:51,680
however, they're I believe they're the

1446
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:54,480
most sacred as well. And we try to keep

1447
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,200
these as low as we can. And last year we

1448
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,320
did impose a property tax increase and

1449
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,280
100% of that money uh we are setting

1450
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,560
aside for a fire station. And we've

1451
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:06,080
already made those transfers. And so we

1452
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,960
do not make uh tax increases lightly or

1453
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,400
willy-nilly to to fund uh frivolous or

1454
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,000
silly things. And uh and this year after

1455
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,160
much discussion and much deliberation uh

1456
00:57:16,160 --> 00:57:18,400
Payson City is not raising uh their

1457
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:19,960
portion of property taxes, which I'm

1458
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,360
very proud to see. So luckily there's

1459
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:23,880
not much to discuss here.

1460
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:26,350
>> Right.

1461
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,800
We all concur pretty much.

1462
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:28,120
>> Okay.

1463
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:28,720
>> Yes.

1464
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,040
>> Then I would entertain a motion.

1465
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,520
>> I move that we approve the certified tax

1466
00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:37,560
rate for fiscal year 2026-2027.

1467
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:38,880
>> I'll second.

1468
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:40,800
>> I have a motion and a second. Council

1469
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:41,680
member Lacey.

1470
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:42,240
>> Yes.

1471
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:43,200
>> Council member Brian.

1472
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:43,880
>> Yes.

1473
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:44,880
>> Council member Ryan.

1474
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:45,720
>> Yes.

1475
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:46,880
>> Council member Ann.

1476
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:48,480
>> Yes.

1477
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,510
>> Motion passes.

1478
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,080
Item number two, public hearing for

1479
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,400
fiscal year 2026-2027

1480
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,480
executive municipal officers

1481
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:01,560
compensation.

1482
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,240
I would accept a motion to open a public

1483
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:03,640
hearing.

1484
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:04,480
>> So moved.

1485
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:05,760
>> Second.

1486
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,840
>> Motion and a second.

1487
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,360
Uh roll call vote. Council member Ann.

1488
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,080
>> Yes.

1489
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:11,960
>> Council member Ryan.

1490
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:12,600
>> Yes.

1491
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:13,560
>> Council member Brian.

1492
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:14,240
>> Yes.

1493
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:14,920
>> And Lacey.

1494
00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:16,480
>> Yes.

1495
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,880
>> Okay, public hearing is open. If anyone

1496
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,280
would like to come forward and have

1497
00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:24,160
public comment on the executive

1498
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,320
municipal officers compensation

1499
00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:34,470
that Melanie just presented to us.

1500
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,040
Emily, I'll ask you again, is anyone

1501
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:37,560
online?

1502
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:39,800
Not noting that anyone is online and no

1503
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,640
public comment, I would entertain a

1504
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,920
motion to close the public hearing.

1505
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:46,960
Have a motion, second?

1506
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,680
by Lacey.

1507
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:50,800
Uh Council member Ann.

1508
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:51,640
Council member Ryan.

1509
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:52,240
>> Yes.

1510
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,200
>> Council member Brian.

1511
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:53,760
>> Yes.

1512
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:55,120
>> Council member Lacey.

1513
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:56,120
>> Yes.

1514
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,120
>> Motion is closed. The public hearing is

1515
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:00,760
closed now. I would accept uh comments

1516
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:02,720
from the council.

1517
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:08,200
>> Uh this is a 1% less uh raise than we did last

1518
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:09,840
year. And not only this is the rate for

1519
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,040
the the executive team, but this is also

1520
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:13,800
the rate that we're we're increasing all

1521
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,800
their wages across the board for Payson

1522
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:16,760
City.

1523
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:23,350
And uh 4% is is what we're looking at.

1524
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:25,520
» So it's not even I have a question. So

1525
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:27,000
it's not even solidified. You guys

1526
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,160
haven't gone through the merit process

1527
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:30,840
yet, have you?

1528
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:31,200
Okay.

1529
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,120
>> We're giving the parameter up to

1530
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:33,840
>> up to.

1531
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,480
>> Yep, up to that percentage. Is that

1532
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:36,120
correct?

1533
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:37,960
>> Cost of living portion would be given.

1534
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,840
>> The cost of living, but the merit would

1535
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:42,120
be based on department head

1536
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:43,760
evaluation.

1537
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:44,360
Okay.

1538
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,720
>> And then to ask um Melanie, maybe.

1539
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:50,096
The

1540
00:59:50,096 --> 00:59:50,320
>> [clears throat]

1541
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:52,040
>> Yeah, hello.

1542
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:54,480
Um and I it might have been talked about

1543
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,880
before. The cola, the cost of living.

1544
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:00,520
Where do we receive that rate from

1545
01:00:00,520 --> 01:00:03,400
again? I'm just curious because looking

1546
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:06,920
at other cities, ours is different.

1547
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,040
CPI is what

1548
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:09,640
I understand that

1549
01:00:09,640 --> 01:00:11,680
>> I mean, the CPI came in at 3.8%,

1550
01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:12,160
correct?

1551
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:13,000
>> higher, right.

1552
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:16,550
>> Yeah.

1553
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:17,040
» Right.

1554
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,560
>> We do the we do the average for the

1555
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:20,400
calendar year, so what we put in there

1556
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:25,110
was from

1557
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:28,600
» Can we go to that screen just

1558
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:32,480
>> Yeah. So, the CPI for May was 4.2.

1559
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:33,720
Um

1560
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,720
I'll see if I can get to it. I'm sorry.

1561
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:40,790
>> That's okay.

1562
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:42,920
» Yeah.

1563
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,880
>> This is really fast.

1564
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,640
See if I can see it here.

1565
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,000
Right there.

1566
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,800
The 2.7 increase will be allotted

1567
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,520
through a jet um through cola and the

1568
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:58,080
1.3 will be merit at mid-year.

1569
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,360
Is that what you wanted to see? Is there

1570
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:01,920
something else you wanted?

1571
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,360
>> It was the executive

1572
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:03,920
>> Oh, Melanie.

1573
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,920
>> the executive one. The executive one.

1574
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:07,800
>> Yeah, it was on the other slideshow.

1575
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:09,320
>> Oh, and it was from Melanie.

1576
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:11,520
>> We generally get the CPI from the

1577
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,600
>> It is it's the same exact department

1578
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:14,840
right here.

1579
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:17,160
>> Uh commerce uh commerce, I think.

1580
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:18,360
>> All the department heads.

1581
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:18,840
>> Yeah.

1582
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:19,280
>> Yep.

1583
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,240
>> Yeah, and then we also do a survey of

1584
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:23,200
other cities to try and stay

1585
01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,240
competitive. So, those are

1586
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:27,400
>> Yeah, so as I looked around some are

1587
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:28,760
doing more.

1588
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,640
Uh a lot are doing less than than the 4%

1589
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:33,760
uh Payson City was behind for a very

1590
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,120
long time in what we paid our employees.

1591
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:38,520
And uh years ago they they made pretty

1592
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,040
aggressive steps to get it up to snuff.

1593
01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:46,360
And uh I do think it's important we stay on the conservative consistent side

1594
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:48,560
of of paying our employees. That way we

1595
01:01:48,560 --> 01:01:50,520
don't have to do these huge jumps. And

1596
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,880
for me personally, I don't think the 4%

1597
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:54,880
is outrageous and I'm I'm feeling okay

1598
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,200
about it. I think uh on the whole the

1599
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,040
culture of Payson City employees has

1600
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,400
improved in the last few years. And I

1601
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,360
think we have really good department

1602
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,360
heads right now as well that are that

1603
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:06,920
are continuing to elevate our culture. I

1604
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:08,240
want to attract the best people to

1605
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,400
Payson. It makes the residents' lives

1606
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:12,800
more stable and more reliable. And also

1607
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:14,640
the all all of the workers, a lot of

1608
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,320
them that are none of them are here

1609
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:17,560
tonight. They're the first line of

1610
01:02:17,560 --> 01:02:19,840
defense and the first ones to interact

1611
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:21,480
with our residents. And it's important

1612
01:02:21,480 --> 01:02:23,560
that they feel loved and respected and

1613
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:25,240
treated and treated and paid well. I

1614
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:26,640
don't want Payson to turn into a

1615
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,600
training ground uh for other cities. Uh

1616
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:30,800
but we're also not just going to

1617
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:32,400
endlessly throw money at them either.

1618
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,840
And so, I think this 4% is is pretty

1619
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:37,160
dang fair as as far as that's where I

1620
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:38,680
feel about it.

1621
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:41,160
>> I want to echo what he said. I want to

1622
01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:43,120
keep it conservative. We don't want to

1623
01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:45,840
be exorbitant. We're still a small town.

1624
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,640
And um

1625
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:51,160
so judge accordingly in the merit-based

1626
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:52,760
stuff.

1627
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:54,880
And

1628
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:55,600
I

1629
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:57,680
as long as it's up to and not everyone

1630
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:59,480
is guaranteed that.

1631
01:02:59,480 --> 01:03:02,480
And we keep it conservative.

1632
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:04,000
But I also want to say our department

1633
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,720
heads are awesome. So, if we could, I'd

1634
01:03:06,720 --> 01:03:09,880
give everyone a lot more, but

1635
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:10,320
>> Also,

1636
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:11,400
>> we have to be careful.

1637
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:12,720
>> Um

1638
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:18,600
I want to This is um my

1639
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,240
I just want to express my thoughts on

1640
01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,200
it.

1641
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,320
Um

1642
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:23,840
I do

1643
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,160
everything that they say. I

1644
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,720
uh have enjoyed working along with

1645
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,200
especially the department heads. They've

1646
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,520
been more than helpful for me.

1647
01:03:32,520 --> 01:03:33,920
Um

1648
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,280
They've already heard what I have to

1649
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,600
say, but I want to say it publicly. And

1650
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,400
that is um

1651
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:42,000
My answer will not always be yes on

1652
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,000
this.

1653
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:44,800
And that is because right now in this

1654
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:46,600
community, many families in our

1655
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,000
community have not seen an income

1656
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,240
consistent increase every year,

1657
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,920
especially even for our cost of living.

1658
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:55,280
Um

1659
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:56,760
Right now, many Payson residents are

1660
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:58,440
struggling with rising cost of living,

1661
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,680
increased utility rates, higher taxes,

1662
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,680
not from us this year, but

1663
01:04:04,680 --> 01:04:06,480
the school district, a lot of our

1664
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,240
community, they don't have kids in the

1665
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,040
school district, and it's hard that that

1666
01:04:10,040 --> 01:04:12,160
is the majority, and they might have

1667
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,360
utilized it in the past.

1668
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,040
Um

1669
01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:17,440
But also,

1670
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:18,000
um

1671
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:20,640
everyday expenses continue to climb.

1672
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:23,480
And so, I'm just it's it's not a

1673
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,840
disrespecting. It's not a I don't

1674
01:04:26,840 --> 01:04:30,920
appreciate everyone. It is just a

1675
01:04:30,920 --> 01:04:33,880
I've I've lost sleep about this budget.

1676
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,600
I will be 100% honest about making sure

1677
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,400
that I as a council person am putting

1678
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:40,520
forth

1679
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,120
what I feel is best for the residents

1680
01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:45,400
that um trust me.

1681
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:46,920
And so,

1682
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,440
um I just want to put it out there that

1683
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,960
I hope that in the future

1684
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:52,840
um we can look at other ways if we

1685
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,480
continue to need to give the increase.

1686
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,520
To and again, I know that the budget's

1687
01:04:57,520 --> 01:04:58,840
less this year, and I know this isn't a

1688
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:00,960
budget talk yet, but

1689
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:03,920
it kind of all works together. And so,

1690
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,600
um that's just my feelings right now

1691
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:06,760
that

1692
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:08,920
I just hope that

1693
01:05:08,920 --> 01:05:11,680
it's not a thing that I have noticed I I

1694
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:13,600
did a ton of research and it just seems

1695
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:17,160
like it's a constant nope they get it and it's it's every

1696
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:19,040
city it's every government agency

1697
01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:21,440
almost. And so that's just my honest

1698
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,200
feelings. I'm fine with it this year

1699
01:05:23,200 --> 01:05:25,840
because of everything like other things

1700
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,880
but I'll be 100% honest that my answer

1701
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,480
will probably not be yes every single

1702
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:31,920
year. So.

1703
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:33,680
>> Well said Lacy thank you and and I do

1704
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,400
want to make comment last year we we did

1705
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:37,880
cut it back

1706
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,320
a full percent from what it was

1707
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,440
requested and then just make sure the

1708
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:42,920
residents know too that we are not

1709
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:44,840
raising any utilities this year as well

1710
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:45,960
which is a great thing.

1711
01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:49,040
>> I I get that. I just you know it's it's

1712
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:51,280
just everything and it's month after

1713
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:53,680
month and it's it's hard.

1714
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,920
We all know that everyone in this room.

1715
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,960
So.

1716
01:05:57,960 --> 01:06:00,720
>> Any other comments from the council?

1717
01:06:00,720 --> 01:06:02,400
Then I would entertain a motion.

1718
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,880
>> I'll make a motion that we approve the

1719
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,800
fiscal year 26-27 executive municipal

1720
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,680
officers compensation.

1721
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:10,560
>> Have a motion.

1722
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:11,640
>> I'll second.

1723
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,560
>> Seconded by council member Ryan.

1724
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,200
Start with council member Lacy.

1725
01:06:17,200 --> 01:06:18,040
>> Yes.

1726
01:06:18,040 --> 01:06:18,840
>> Council member Brian.

1727
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:19,480
>> Yes.

1728
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:20,640
>> Council member Ryan.

1729
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:21,320
>> Yes.

1730
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:22,160
>> Council member Ann.

1731
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:23,360
>> Yes.

1732
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:25,800
>> Motion carries.

1733
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:27,960
Okay moving on to item number three

1734
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,440
public hearing

1735
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:32,800
of fiscal year 2026-2027

1736
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:34,360
enterprise

1737
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:35,880
fund transfers.

1738
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:37,320
I would accept the motion to open a

1739
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:38,680
public hearing.

1740
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,600
>> So moved.

1741
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,360
>> Motion and a second council member Moss.

1742
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:43,880
>> Yes.

1743
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:44,960
>> Council member Ryan.

1744
01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:45,520
>> Yes.

1745
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:46,440
>> Council member Brian.

1746
01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:47,120
>> Yes.

1747
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:48,920
>> Council member Ann. Or council member

1748
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,160
Lacy.

1749
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:51,120
>> Yes.

1750
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:52,576
>> This is hard.

1751
01:06:52,576 --> 01:06:53,080
>> [laughter]

1752
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:53,800
>> Good job Bob.

1753
01:06:53,800 --> 01:06:57,120
>> The nightmare doesn't come.

1754
01:06:57,120 --> 01:07:00,400
Okay public hearing is open once again.

1755
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,680
Citizens and staff

1756
01:07:02,680 --> 01:07:04,600
have the opportunity to come forward and

1757
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,160
uh

1758
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,640
give us some public input on the

1759
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,280
enterprise enterprise fund transfers

1760
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,960
as presented to us.

1761
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,400
And just so you know, we seem to be

1762
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,000
moving quickly.

1763
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,360
We've been working on this budget since

1764
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,440
Lacy and I took office in January.

1765
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,600
We've had work sessions. We've had

1766
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:26,560
continual feedback and discussions. And

1767
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:28,720
we're to the point now that we think

1768
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,000
we've got

1769
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,840
our budget where we can face the

1770
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:33,760
citizens of Payson.

1771
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,040
Uh

1772
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:37,040
we're mindful of

1773
01:07:37,040 --> 01:07:39,560
salaries. We're mindful of increasing

1774
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:41,240
costs of

1775
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,840
everything from fuel to food.

1776
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,760
But we're also mindful of the increasing

1777
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:48,240
costs that are passed on to the cities

1778
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:49,400
from

1779
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:51,360
the entities that we do business with to

1780
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,800
make the city function.

1781
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:55,800
Taking all that in the washing machine

1782
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:58,520
and what comes out of that is we chose

1783
01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:01,840
not to raise any fees this year,

1784
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,360
any taxes.

1785
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,880
Uh at some point

1786
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,240
we're going to have to bite the bullet

1787
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,840
and do that, but it's not this year.

1788
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:12,240
We felt like that we needed a

1789
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,640
an opportunity to catch our breath and

1790
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:16,680
take a a good hard look at where else we

1791
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,000
can cut. We went to our department heads

1792
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,600
uh at the beginning of the budget

1793
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:25,240
process and asked them to to cut 5% out

1794
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:26,680
of their budgets.

1795
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,520
And I think the department heads done

1796
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:30,839
wonderful

1797
01:08:30,839 --> 01:08:33,080
uh to to bring this to where we are

1798
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,440
tonight.

1799
01:08:34,440 --> 01:08:35,960
So that's a little bit of history of

1800
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:38,880
where we're at in this budget process.

1801
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,279
So if anybody would like to come

1802
01:08:40,279 --> 01:08:41,440
forward,

1803
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:42,640
uh

1804
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,470
now's the time.

1805
01:08:45,480 --> 01:08:47,759
Emily, anybody online?

1806
01:08:47,759 --> 01:08:51,150
Not seeing Wait.

1807
01:08:51,160 --> 01:08:53,200
Would you like to come forward and

1808
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:54,560
>> Is this about the enterprise fund

1809
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:55,319
transfers?

1810
01:08:55,319 --> 01:08:55,600
>> Yeah.

1811
01:08:55,600 --> 01:08:57,359
>> Yep, this is the enterprise fund.

1812
01:08:57,359 --> 01:08:58,040
>> Enterprise fund.

1813
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,120
>> The next one The next one will be the

1814
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,200
budget. Yep.

1815
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,960
Which one would you like to speak on?

1816
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:05,640
>> I'm

1817
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,720
standing in knowing if

1818
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:08,680
the

1819
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:10,319
sewage

1820
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:13,200
is covering only Kayson or if it's

1821
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:14,880
covering

1822
01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,359
surrounding towns.

1823
01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:19,000
>> Okay, let us finish this one and then we'll be

1824
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,240
on that one very next.

1825
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,279
All right, not seeing anyone else online

1826
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:26,680
or in public.

1827
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,080
I would entertain a motion to close the

1828
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:28,680
public hearing.

1829
01:09:28,680 --> 01:09:29,799
>> So moved.

1830
01:09:29,799 --> 01:09:30,640
Second.

1831
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:33,200
>> Second by Brian. I have a motion and a

1832
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,160
second. Council member Lacey.

1833
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:35,720
>> Yes.

1834
01:09:35,720 --> 01:09:36,720
>> Council member Brian.

1835
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:37,359
>> Yes.

1836
01:09:37,359 --> 01:09:38,279
>> Council member Ryan.

1837
01:09:38,279 --> 01:09:38,920
>> Yes.

1838
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,200
>> And council member Ann.

1839
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:40,799
>> Yes.

1840
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:42,680
>> Motion passes

1841
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:44,720
to close the public hearing. Is there

1842
01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:46,720
any other input from council?

1843
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,960
>> I I have one question. Cath- Cathy,

1844
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:50,640
where'd you where'd you go? Oh, there

1845
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:53,080
she is. Okay, very good. Um and I don't

1846
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,320
know if this is uh regarding this, but

1847
01:09:55,320 --> 01:10:03,520
uh for the approved budget of 20 uh I was I was curious about the park

1848
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,840
impact fee and why that took such a

1849
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:12,880
dramatic uh dramatic change, a change of uh it went from 700,000 up to 1.2.

1850
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,080
>> Cuz I we're using fund reserves.

1851
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,800
>> Think we added the 500,000 for the

1852
01:10:17,800 --> 01:10:19,320
>> Oh, the expenditure side of it. I

1853
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:20,880
apologize.

1854
01:10:20,880 --> 01:10:21,600
Um

1855
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:22,960
>> Was that the 500,000 for the

1856
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,400
>> No, I don't think so. This is for park

1857
01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:26,800
impact.

1858
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,480
>> Let me look. I'm I apologize. I'm going

1859
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:30,160
to have to I'm more of a visual

1860
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,600
>> And like I said, this this is on the

1861
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:33,280
previous year's budget. So if this is a

1862
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:34,880
conversation had for a different time,

1863
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:36,000
that's fine, too.

1864
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:37,480
>> Okay.

1865
01:10:37,480 --> 01:10:40,120
>> I'm looking at the combined funds

1866
01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:46,390
uh for the approved budget 6 30 2026.

1867
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,920
» I'm trying to I'm trying to think.

1868
01:10:48,920 --> 01:10:49,880
Go back.

1869
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,000
>> You're in the enterprise fund, right?

1870
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,470
>> We're in the general fund right now.

1871
01:10:55,480 --> 01:10:56,400
It's in

1872
01:10:56,400 --> 01:10:58,160
Okay.

1873
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:59,320
Yeah, that

1874
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,280
That's park tax. Were you calling park

1875
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:03,040
tax or park impact?

1876
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:03,760
>> Impact.

1877
01:11:03,760 --> 01:11:13,390
>> Park impact.

1878
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:15,480
This current budget.

1879
01:11:15,480 --> 01:11:17,160
Maybe Carl can answer that question.

1880
01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:18,240
Thank you.

1881
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:19,920
I just saw the change just from

1882
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:21,720
>> We had it a couple of things last year.

1883
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:24,480
We added the um additional funds to the

1884
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:25,800
high school for additional tennis

1885
01:11:25,800 --> 01:11:26,920
courts.

1886
01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:27,360
>> Okay.

1887
01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:30,160
>> 350 and we also added the Wilson school

1888
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:31,000
payment.

1889
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:32,240
>> Okay, very good. That answers that

1890
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,120
question. Thank you.

1891
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,480
>> Apologize about that.

1892
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:37,320
>> Thanks, Carl.

1893
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:38,640
>> that. Thank you.

1894
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,434
>> Stick around.

1895
01:11:41,434 --> 01:11:41,720
>> [laughter]

1896
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:43,680
>> We're not done with you.

1897
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,040
No, you're good for right now.

1898
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:47,520
Are there any other discussion from the

1899
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:48,160
council?

1900
01:11:48,160 --> 01:11:51,120
>> Um I just want to say I appreciate the

1901
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:56,240
lowering of what you normally um do.

1902
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,280
My goal down the road, I would love it

1903
01:11:58,280 --> 01:11:59,960
even more cuz I would love to be able to

1904
01:11:59,960 --> 01:12:01,120
use

1905
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,000
the money that we're moving it from

1906
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,800
for the for some other things, too, but

1907
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:07,280
I think it's awesome. I think it's

1908
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,600
great. And so I just wanted to just

1909
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:11,760
state that that

1910
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,520
>> Right. And and that's our goal coming

1911
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,120
up. We will still have the indirect

1912
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,120
services because the enterprise funds

1913
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:19,880
are supposed to pay for their own

1914
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,160
services and that that's the allocation

1915
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,350
there, but yeah.

1916
01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:28,400
» On the enterprise fund transfers, do we

1917
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,520
have any kind of uh

1918
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:33,480
plan or or goal set up to ever use uh

1919
01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:35,640
some of these transfers, some of the uh

1920
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:37,840
extra funds? I know they could be used

1921
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:39,640
in a million different ways, but but to

1922
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:41,760
start attacking some of Payson City's

1923
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,280
debt a little more aggressively. Is that

1924
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,440
ever something that we that we discuss?

1925
01:12:46,440 --> 01:12:48,280
>> Most of the debt we well, we have two

1926
01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:49,920
primary sources of debt. We have the

1927
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,640
pool bond that's going to expire

1928
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:56,360
2027 27. And then we have the enterprise

1929
01:12:56,360 --> 01:12:58,880
fund debt. So,

1930
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,960
we really once it's transferred it's

1931
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,080
transferred to another fund, but we can

1932
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,440
use whatever's revenue whatever revenue

1933
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:07,120
is in the enterprise funds itself

1934
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:08,960
because they sort self-contained

1935
01:13:08,960 --> 01:13:10,520
businesses.

1936
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,680
Did that answer your question at all?

1937
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:15,000
>> Yeah, I just I just think moving forward

1938
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,360
if you know, I know it's a drop in the

1939
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,240
bucket, but just just attacking that

1940
01:13:19,240 --> 01:13:21,400
adding a little bit of extra to those to

1941
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,760
those debt service I think is is wise

1942
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,440
and prudent with the residents funds and

1943
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:27,920
to try to try to get us our head above

1944
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:30,440
water as fast as we can to to be out of

1945
01:13:30,440 --> 01:13:31,760
the bondage of interest.

1946
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:33,760
>> Right. Right. And I agree. One of the

1947
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,320
things we are concerned about though is

1948
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:37,640
that we have sufficient fund reserves in

1949
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,520
the enterprise fund. So, if there is

1950
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,640
a crisis or

1951
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,240
you know, a a natural disaster or

1952
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:46,520
something that that these funds can act

1953
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:48,680
to on behalf of the citizens to provide

1954
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:50,680
services still. So, we don't want to

1955
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:52,160
eliminate all that.

1956
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:53,160
>> Right.

1957
01:13:53,160 --> 01:13:55,560
Thank you.

1958
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:58,040
>> Any other discussion council?

1959
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:00,280
Then I would entertain a motion.

1960
01:14:00,280 --> 01:14:03,200
>> I motion that we approve the fiscal year

1961
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,120
2026-2027

1962
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:07,000
enterprise fund transfers.

1963
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:08,040
>> I'll second.

1964
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,040
>> I have a motion and a second. Council

1965
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:10,680
member N?

1966
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:11,360
>> Yes.

1967
01:14:11,360 --> 01:14:12,320
>> Council member Ryan?

1968
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:12,880
>> Yes.

1969
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:13,880
>> Council member Brian?

1970
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:14,560
>> Yes.

1971
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:15,840
>> And Council member Lacy?

1972
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:17,320
>> Yes.

1973
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:18,920
>> Motion carries.

1974
01:14:18,920 --> 01:14:20,600
I'm going to be all night long counting

1975
01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,760
these.

1976
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:27,640
Okay, item number four. I guess one does being mayor pro tem negate his

1977
01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,320
ability to vote as a council member? Can

1978
01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:31,240
I vote?

1979
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:32,360
>> Oh, okay.

1980
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:33,800
>> Cuz it hasn't affected any votes right

1981
01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:34,800
now. We're okay, but

1982
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,200
>> But I yeah, you still vote, Bob.

1983
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:36,640
>> Oh.

1984
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:37,880
>> Yeah.

1985
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:39,480
>> Then all minor yes.

1986
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:40,160
>> Okay.

1987
01:14:40,160 --> 01:14:43,190
>> So far.

1988
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:47,550
Council member?

1989
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,040
» I I think it'd be good to, you know,

1990
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:49,840
especially on budget

1991
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,800
>> have Bob's input and vote on this, too.

1992
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:52,480
So.

1993
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:53,240
>> I would like to.

1994
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:54,880
>> Okay. All right.

1995
01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:56,760
Now, the big one. Item number four,

1996
01:14:56,760 --> 01:14:58,120
public hearing

1997
01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:00,000
uh on the adoption of fiscal year

1998
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,400
2026-2027

1999
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:04,600
budget. I would entertain a motion to

2000
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:05,800
open a public hearing.

2001
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:06,760
>> So moved.

2002
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:07,640
>> Second.

2003
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,480
>> Motion and a second. Council member

2004
01:15:09,480 --> 01:15:10,040
Lacey?

2005
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:10,560
>> Yes.

2006
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:11,400
>> Council member Brian?

2007
01:15:11,400 --> 01:15:11,920
>> Yes.

2008
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:12,760
>> Council member Ryan?

2009
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:13,280
>> Yes.

2010
01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:14,360
>> Council member Ann?

2011
01:15:14,360 --> 01:15:15,280
>> Yes.

2012
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:16,960
>> Public and Council member Bob?

2013
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:19,550
>> Yes.

2014
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:21,720
» Public hearing is open. Anybody that

2015
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,160
would like to make comment concerning

2016
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,520
the entire fiscal year budget may now

2017
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,960
come forward.

2018
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:31,040
This would be a great time for your

2019
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:39,150
question.

2020
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:41,080
No, you're fine right there.

2021
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:42,280
We

2022
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:43,400
Okay, you need to come to the

2023
01:15:43,400 --> 01:15:44,880
microphone. Sorry.

2024
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:46,080
>> Can I take the mic? Can I take the mic?

2025
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:47,920
>> We're not sure if somebody's online and

2026
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,480
they can't hear you.

2027
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:50,320
>> You can bring it over here. You're free

2028
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:58,310
to sit down if you'd like.

2029
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,920
» My name's Heidi Perry and

2030
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,080
I've I've lived here for two or three

2031
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:07,880
years and the

2032
01:16:07,880 --> 01:16:11,960
sewer cost shocks us every time we look

2033
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:13,280
at it.

2034
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,560
Um we came from Battle Mountain, Utah

2035
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,880
and they charged like 30, 45 dollars for

2036
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:21,800
six months.

2037
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,280
So, when we look at the cost here, it we

2038
01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,040
just about faint.

2039
01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:28,560
Um

2040
01:16:28,560 --> 01:16:31,040
I understand that we're having to build

2041
01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,320
a new

2042
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:34,560
facility.

2043
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:37,360
Um that we're required to do for federal

2044
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:39,360
reasons or something.

2045
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,480
But, I'm wondering

2046
01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:45,880
does will it include service for towns

2047
01:16:45,880 --> 01:16:47,880
around us

2048
01:16:47,880 --> 01:16:51,760
and are they helping to pay for any of

2049
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:54,040
it if so?

2050
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,320
>> I can answer a lot of that for you.

2051
01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,400
Uh

2052
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:01,320
So we were mandated to update the sewer

2053
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,160
plant uh by the EPA.

2054
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:07,040
And we took uh

2055
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:08,600
costing bids.

2056
01:17:08,600 --> 01:17:09,880
We came in

2057
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:12,120
and I'll preface this by saying

2058
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:15,440
I was on the council prior to this time

2059
01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:17,840
and I spent a lot of time in Logan.

2060
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,000
I spent a lot of time in Provo and I

2061
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:22,040
spent time with Spanish Fork

2062
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:23,800
on what they were having to do cuz they

2063
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,560
was they was 2 years ahead of us.

2064
01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:28,440
We we got told that there was going to

2065
01:17:28,440 --> 01:17:32,200
be some changes and so we held off

2066
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,720
and COVID hit

2067
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:36,760
and it just drove everything out of the

2068
01:17:36,760 --> 01:17:38,440
bucket.

2069
01:17:38,440 --> 01:17:41,320
Then the Biden administration put a time

2070
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,320
period that we had to meet on and so we

2071
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:46,040
had to move.

2072
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:49,000
We went through the process and I must

2073
01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:49,960
say

2074
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,800
for what we did so Logan originally

2075
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,360
budgeted $86 million. They come in at

2076
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:57,320
119.

2077
01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,520
Uh I can't remember Provo's. It was it

2078
01:17:59,520 --> 01:18:01,600
was even more staggering. Spanish Fork

2079
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:03,560
was about the same percentage. They were

2080
01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:07,200
about 38% higher than what the original

2081
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:10,040
council budgeted cost was.

2082
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:13,280
Payson City budgeted $70 million

2083
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,280
for our sewer upgrade and one thing that

2084
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:19,640
gave us the leg up is immediately we

2085
01:18:19,640 --> 01:18:21,520
started purchasing

2086
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:23,920
the long-range products that we were

2087
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,680
going to need to complete the project

2088
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:28,960
and paid for them at that point of the

2089
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,920
project early on.

2090
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:33,680
So we beat the cost increases. We beat

2091
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,560
everything. Last council meeting we

2092
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:40,160
approved the final $5 million of

2093
01:18:40,160 --> 01:18:44,040
$70 million. We came in right at budget.

2094
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:47,240
So, we don't have any cost overruns.

2095
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,080
We're we're right where we need to be

2096
01:18:49,080 --> 01:18:51,840
and we that's been a lot Hats off to our

2097
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,120
contractor that's down there. Hats off

2098
01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:56,240
to our staff and hats off to our

2099
01:18:56,240 --> 01:18:58,840
administration for staying on top of

2100
01:18:58,840 --> 01:19:00,520
that like a hawk.

2101
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:01,680
Uh

2102
01:19:01,680 --> 01:19:04,120
in answer to your to your do we share

2103
01:19:04,120 --> 01:19:05,200
sewer

2104
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,440
we have interlocal agreements

2105
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:09,400
uh with certain cities.

2106
01:19:09,400 --> 01:19:12,960
We do supply sewer for for Elkridge City

2107
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:14,400
right now.

2108
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,720
But, we also have uh interlocal

2109
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,040
agreements with them on water.

2110
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:21,440
That we we connect to some of their

2111
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:23,120
water systems.

2112
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,560
Do they uh

2113
01:19:25,560 --> 01:19:26,880
do they pay their fair share?

2114
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,520
Absolutely.

2115
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:29,880
Yep, they do.

2116
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,560
We we are not a council that is in

2117
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,160
business to

2118
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:36,280
be the big brother anymore.

2119
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,000
Uh Payson City is Payson City and the

2120
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:40,880
other cities are cities that need to pay

2121
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,320
their own way. And so, we treat it as a

2122
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:44,440
business.

2123
01:19:44,440 --> 01:19:47,120
And they have to pay their fair share.

2124
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:51,000
>> Okay. Um I'm going to say I

2125
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:52,800
Here's the bad Lacy.

2126
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,080
I disagree with that. I've asked since

2127
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:57,680
January that we do a study to see if

2128
01:19:57,680 --> 01:20:00,960
they are paying paying their fair share.

2129
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,280
Based on the papers, I don't think so,

2130
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:05,640
but that's just me. I was told that they

2131
01:20:05,640 --> 01:20:08,680
were given the chance to help

2132
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:10,880
like buy into the sewer upgrade or

2133
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:12,480
system

2134
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,000
and they did not want to.

2135
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:18,640
And so, for me I see it as again an

2136
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,400
incoming resident who also pays a large

2137
01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:22,800
sewer bill.

2138
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,760
And um

2139
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,680
I I first asked the question in January

2140
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:29,840
though, but I see it as

2141
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,400
they're They're a great smoking deal and

2142
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,280
we're the ones paying the bond back, and

2143
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,160
I also know that that city then up

2144
01:20:37,160 --> 01:20:38,400
charges

2145
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:41,280
their residents because they maintain

2146
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,600
the lines in their city.

2147
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,960
Um it would cost them a lot more if they

2148
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:49,240
even could build their own, and so

2149
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:51,760
I will keep pushing for the study to be

2150
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,880
done. I know it takes time. I know what

2151
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:55,680
Travis said it could take 6 months or

2152
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:58,680
so, but we have the money for that.

2153
01:20:58,680 --> 01:20:59,840
Um

2154
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,720
and so

2155
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:03,760
me personally, I want the same answer,

2156
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,400
and I haven't been able to get it yet,

2157
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:07,680
but I hope in the next within the next

2158
01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,240
year we have that answer, and then we

2159
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,360
can figure it out, but

2160
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:14,240
that's just my opinion.

2161
01:21:14,240 --> 01:21:16,080
>> I I can answer that a little bit if I

2162
01:21:16,080 --> 01:21:17,560
may.

2163
01:21:17,560 --> 01:21:19,440
The original agreement with Elkridge

2164
01:21:19,440 --> 01:21:23,520
City is that we were to give them 1,500

2165
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,320
Was it 1,500 even?

2166
01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:30,080
At at a set price with cost increases

2167
01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,520
that we would incur, we would pass on to

2168
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,200
their bill also.

2169
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:35,440
>> Okay.

2170
01:21:35,440 --> 01:21:38,000
>> We're nearing that connection total. I

2171
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:40,560
think we're about 1,300 right now.

2172
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:43,520
So, in the next year or two, maybe 3

2173
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:44,680
years,

2174
01:21:44,680 --> 01:21:46,400
there will need to be either a new

2175
01:21:46,400 --> 01:21:49,480
agreement or Elkridge City will have to

2176
01:21:49,480 --> 01:21:50,920
entertain the thought of going with

2177
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:52,080
Salem

2178
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,880
or doing their own sewer system.

2179
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:55,640
>> Okay.

2180
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:59,080
>> Uh I I I'm very sensitive to what Lacy

2181
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:02,600
said, cuz I was part of that. Uh that

2182
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,320
was years ago when Elkridge City first

2183
01:22:05,320 --> 01:22:06,640
came to us.

2184
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:07,680
Uh

2185
01:22:07,680 --> 01:22:10,240
and we felt like at the time

2186
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:12,120
a lot of these agreements are aged,

2187
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:13,240
right?

2188
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:15,600
And so what looks like a good deal

2189
01:22:15,600 --> 01:22:17,000
today,

2190
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,240
it probably is a better deal than them

2191
01:22:19,240 --> 01:22:21,200
having their own sewer system, but

2192
01:22:21,200 --> 01:22:22,600
that's the agreement that we've had to

2193
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:23,680
live with.

2194
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,000
They also have to uh, with their

2195
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,520
agreements they made two connections to

2196
01:22:28,520 --> 01:22:30,920
us for water.

2197
01:22:30,920 --> 01:22:32,320
And so, we feel like we're getting a

2198
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,680
pretty good deal there, also.

2199
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:35,360
>> Okay.

2200
01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,240
>> If Does that answer it? I mean, Lacey's

2201
01:22:38,240 --> 01:22:40,720
correct. Uh, are they paying their total

2202
01:22:40,720 --> 01:22:43,280
fair share? No, but we're bound by an

2203
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:44,240
agreement

2204
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:44,560
>> Okay.

2205
01:22:44,560 --> 01:22:47,920
>> that was signed several, several, years ago.

2206
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:51,880
>> Okay. And is that the only one that

2207
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,480
>> Woodland Hills.

2208
01:22:53,480 --> 01:22:54,840
Yep. And And

2209
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:56,720
>> And it is time we we evaluate those

2210
01:22:56,720 --> 01:23:03,240
agreements and and get them improved to help benefit uh, our city that's taking on the bulk of the

2211
01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:04,600
responsibility and charge of that. We

2212
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,360
want to be good neighbors. Uh, we don't

2213
01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:08,360
want to uh, take advantage of our

2214
01:23:08,360 --> 01:23:11,640
neighboring cities, but we can't let the Payson residents subsidize it,

2215
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:13,800
either. So, it is time we reevaluate.

2216
01:23:13,800 --> 01:23:14,680
>> Okay.

2217
01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:15,640
And one other question.

2218
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:17,160
>> with that completely.

2219
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:18,680
>> I have one other question.

2220
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:19,000
>> Mhm.

2221
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,560
>> Um, we were told that we may have

2222
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:24,560
lead in our water.

2223
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:28,720
When does that process take place of

2224
01:23:28,720 --> 01:23:30,152
whether we're going to have that

2225
01:23:30,152 --> 01:23:31,760
[clears throat] fixed?

2226
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,280
>> Travis, can you We we do

2227
01:23:34,280 --> 01:23:36,960
We we monitor for lead often, and so,

2228
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,360
Travis can answer those questions.

2229
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,840
>> Travis is our utilities

2230
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:42,760
guru.

2231
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,040
>> the EPA said we had to go and identify

2232
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,040
any lead or copper that was in our water

2233
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:50,320
system and let the residents that are

2234
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:52,720
that have that in their lateral or or a

2235
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:54,520
main line know that.

2236
01:23:54,520 --> 01:23:55,600
As far as I know, we don't have any

2237
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:58,400
lead, but we have galvanized and copper.

2238
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,480
So, we've notified everyone that has

2239
01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:03,160
that, and we're actively replacing our

2240
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:05,520
side of it, but the homeowner is

2241
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,400
required from the meter to their house

2242
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:08,800
to replace it if they have any

2243
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:13,240
galvanized lines like they're old.

2244
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:15,160
So, as far as I know, we don't have any

2245
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,200
actual lead, but there are galvanized

2246
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:20,200
lines and and copper that the EPA

2247
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:23,040
doesn't like. So, we are doing our part,

2248
01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,840
but we have to let the residents know

2249
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,840
until they replace theirs that every

2250
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:29,360
year we have to notify them that they

2251
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:31,440
have that risk.

2252
01:24:31,440 --> 01:24:31,880
So.

2253
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:33,960
>> So,

2254
01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:36,000
the first part of my house was built, I

2255
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:38,760
think, in 1884.

2256
01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:41,840
And the the last part in 2013,

2257
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,600
and something in the middle.

2258
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:48,520
So, we're finding all kinds of surprises

2259
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:50,600
with what we bought.

2260
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:52,320
And we're just kind of trying to figure

2261
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,320
out

2262
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,080
when we can get sidewalks, and

2263
01:24:57,080 --> 01:24:59,960
do we get clean water?

2264
01:24:59,960 --> 01:25:02,000
We have very little water pressure. How

2265
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:05,680
does that Does that affect there? So,

2266
01:25:05,680 --> 01:25:07,840
um if you could talk to me more about

2267
01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:09,040
that, I'd appreciate it.

2268
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:10,520
>> Yeah, if you want to get a hold of me,

2269
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:12,640
like, we can go through anything. I I

2270
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:13,680
don't know if we want to go through all

2271
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:14,720
that tonight, but

2272
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:15,200
>> Okay.

2273
01:25:15,200 --> 01:25:17,360
>> But yeah, I you know, we try to do our

2274
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:20,040
best, like, you know, water, it could be

2275
01:25:20,040 --> 01:25:22,600
an issue in your house, like, cuz we

2276
01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:24,800
have hard water in Payson. So, you get

2277
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,920
that that calcium deposit, that can

2278
01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:29,120
build up in your lines. Like, I just

2279
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:30,880
replaced the PRV in my house, which is a

2280
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:32,880
pressure pressure-reducing valve, and my

2281
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,360
pressure went way up.

2282
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:34,760
>> Okay.

2283
01:25:34,760 --> 01:25:37,360
>> Cuz I had had I've lived there for 23

2284
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,400
years, and mine had gone down, so I did

2285
01:25:39,400 --> 01:25:41,640
that in my own house to fix it. That's

2286
01:25:41,640 --> 01:25:43,600
not the city's responsibility, that's

2287
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,680
the homeowner, so we can definitely

2288
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,720
check your area, and see if there's any

2289
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:50,040
issues with anything on our side, but it

2290
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:51,760
also could be on your side, too, so.

2291
01:25:51,760 --> 01:25:53,280
>> Okay. I appreciate that. And what was

2292
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:53,720
your name?

2293
01:25:53,720 --> 01:25:54,720
>> Travis.

2294
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:56,240
>> I'm the public works director, so.

2295
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:57,840
>> Travis Yokoman.

2296
01:25:57,840 --> 01:25:58,280
>> Travis Yo

2297
01:25:58,280 --> 01:25:59,280
>> Jocumsen.

2298
01:25:59,280 --> 01:25:59,960
>> Jo Jocumsen.

2299
01:25:59,960 --> 01:26:00,804
>> Okay.

2300
01:26:00,804 --> 01:26:01,760
>> [laughter]

2301
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:02,520
>> All right, thank you.

2302
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:05,280
>> You say Prols Guard, I say Prols Guard.

2303
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:06,044
>> Thank you.

2304
01:26:06,044 --> 01:26:06,800
>> [laughter]

2305
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:07,640
>> You're Prols Guard.

2306
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:08,200
>> Thanks, Travis.

2307
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,080
>> Thanks. Thank you for your comments.

2308
01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:15,310
Are there any other comments?

2309
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,600
Anyone online, Emily?

2310
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,600
Not seeing anyone online.

2311
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,240
Uh I would accept a motion to close the

2312
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:22,000
public hearing.

2313
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:22,760
>> So moved.

2314
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:23,640
>> Second.

2315
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:25,080
>> Have a motion and a second. Council

2316
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:26,280
member Ann.

2317
01:26:26,280 --> 01:26:26,920
>> Yes.

2318
01:26:26,920 --> 01:26:28,240
>> Council member Ryan.

2319
01:26:28,240 --> 01:26:28,680
>> Yes.

2320
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:29,640
>> Council member Brian.

2321
01:26:29,640 --> 01:26:30,080
>> Yes.

2322
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:31,320
>> Council member Lacey.

2323
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:32,280
>> Yes.

2324
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:33,000
>> All right, Council.

2325
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,160
>> Are we talking about the budget?

2326
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:35,120
>> We are on the budget.

2327
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:35,960
>> Okay.

2328
01:26:35,960 --> 01:26:37,640
>> Public hearing is closed. Oh, Council

2329
01:26:37,640 --> 01:26:40,240
member Bob. Yes.

2330
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,680
>> Thank you. Okay. Um I I have a few

2331
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,400
questions and and uh want to float a few

2332
01:26:45,400 --> 01:26:48,240
things before the Council, too. Um

2333
01:26:48,240 --> 01:26:49,160
uh

2334
01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,280
the the current budget is is 2% less

2335
01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:54,360
than the budget we had last year, which

2336
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:56,640
I applaud uh all of the department heads

2337
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,040
all the departments for cutting budgets.

2338
01:26:58,040 --> 01:27:01,440
Thank you. Thank you for doing well with the funds that you have and even

2339
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:02,800
trying to reduce that. Thank you so

2340
01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:04,800
much. Really, this is a this is a good

2341
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,000
conservative budget. I appreciate that.

2342
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:09,520
There are a few items I do see I wonder

2343
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:10,720
about cutting and I want to get the

2344
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:13,120
Council's uh input on.

2345
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:16,040
Um uh the the first is is one that I had

2346
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:17,160
thought about and now I'm wondering

2347
01:27:17,160 --> 01:27:20,200
about is is the the business park uh

2348
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:21,560
road overlay.

2349
01:27:21,560 --> 01:27:24,160
Uh one one concern I have about that is

2350
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:25,880
uh they're going to be a bunch more

2351
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:28,120
connections that we'll have to make and

2352
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:29,680
tear that up anyway. That road's not in

2353
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,320
terrible shape now. Uh I do wonder if if

2354
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:33,800
that's something we postpone for a few

2355
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:35,600
more years or if you guys feel it truly

2356
01:27:35,600 --> 01:27:37,240
is is needed right now.

2357
01:27:37,240 --> 01:27:40,200
>> As we talked about that,

2358
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:41,400
you and I,

2359
01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,600
uh the answer is we've stubbed all of

2360
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,120
our sewer and water and utilities

2361
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:50,040
foreseeable into the lots

2362
01:27:50,040 --> 01:27:52,640
down there. Now, that doesn't mean that

2363
01:27:52,640 --> 01:27:53,840
uh

2364
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:56,120
something new could come in and demand

2365
01:27:56,120 --> 01:27:58,520
more, Ryan. That would require

2366
01:27:58,520 --> 01:27:58,920
>> Mhm.

2367
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:00,200
>> additional

2368
01:28:00,200 --> 01:28:01,960
out in the street.

2369
01:28:01,960 --> 01:28:05,720
Uh I think the the concern is we were

2370
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:07,560
originally going to chip and seal it,

2371
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:07,960
>> Mhm. [clears throat]

2372
01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:10,360
>> but we've started if you've driven down

2373
01:28:10,360 --> 01:28:13,240
there, we've started collecting a lot of

2374
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:16,240
uh what I call spider webs

2375
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:17,600
that we've

2376
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,630
uh

2377
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:22,880
damaged the the surface below. The the

2378
01:28:22,880 --> 01:28:25,000
road base and what have you is is no

2379
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:27,720
longer holding and so it needs to be

2380
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:28,960
resealed.

2381
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,560
And we felt like rather than spending

2382
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:35,950
a couple hundred thousand dollars on

2383
01:28:35,960 --> 01:28:37,960
the chip and seal that we would be

2384
01:28:37,960 --> 01:28:40,840
better to rotomill it and and re-overlay

2385
01:28:40,840 --> 01:28:41,440
it.

2386
01:28:41,440 --> 01:28:43,160
>> So, I got a few comments on this. One is

2387
01:28:43,160 --> 01:28:44,520
I was the one that brought this up

2388
01:28:44,520 --> 01:28:47,400
because this is RDA money. It's not in

2389
01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:50,440
our general budget. It's RDA money and

2390
01:28:50,440 --> 01:28:53,000
we have RDA funds that were

2391
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:56,400
came from property taxes in that area

2392
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,200
and it has to be spent in that area. We

2393
01:28:58,200 --> 01:28:59,760
have millions of dollars, so it needs to

2394
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:02,080
be go back in the area, but that's the

2395
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:03,760
thing to look at if it makes sense now

2396
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:05,600
or not, but it makes sense to use the

2397
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:08,240
RDA funds. It's not funds that come from

2398
01:29:08,240 --> 01:29:09,720
the general population.

2399
01:29:09,720 --> 01:29:11,200
>> Is there a timeline on when we have to

2400
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:12,880
use those RDA funds, Brian?

2401
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:13,480
>> I don't think

2402
01:29:13,480 --> 01:29:14,400
>> No, I don't think so.

2403
01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:17,240
>> And Okay. Uh Travis and and is that

2404
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:19,120
accurate? Do we do we have stuff stubbed

2405
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,760
into the individual lots?

2406
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:23,960
>> Um yes and no. There are a lot of stubs,

2407
01:29:23,960 --> 01:29:25,960
but obviously if they subdivide

2408
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,640
differently and add a lot, you know, or

2409
01:29:27,640 --> 01:29:29,880
do something then that may or may not

2410
01:29:29,880 --> 01:29:32,480
work out, but yeah, there are a lot of

2411
01:29:32,480 --> 01:29:34,200
lines, so hopefully we could avoid

2412
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,920
cutting it, but I've learned no matter

2413
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:38,760
what you do, somebody will come along 5

2414
01:29:38,760 --> 01:29:40,040
minutes after you just finished

2415
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:41,880
>> They're wanting to cut it.

2416
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:46,040
>> We do have a moratorium where we don't allow them to for a certain

2417
01:29:46,040 --> 01:29:48,360
number of years, but you know, like I

2418
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,120
said, any new development, it's hard to

2419
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:51,760
say for sure that you're not going to

2420
01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:53,800
have to go back in, but there are quite

2421
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:54,400
a few there.

2422
01:29:54,400 --> 01:29:56,000
>> So, you're saying if we if we totally

2423
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:57,800
replace this road, we have a moratorium

2424
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:01,360
and when will let someone dig in and and tie in?

2425
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:03,240
>> So, if we obviously we can definitely

2426
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:05,560
look at that where they all are

2427
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:10,360
and do our best to, you know, estimate if that's going to work before

2428
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:11,960
we obviously redo the road. And if we

2429
01:30:11,960 --> 01:30:14,320
need to add one here or there, we could

2430
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:15,840
that would be cheaper to do it then than

2431
01:30:15,840 --> 01:30:19,600
obviously after we just paved it, but I just looked yeah, we have quite a

2432
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:21,880
few that are stubbed out on those empty

2433
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:25,240
lots a lot there, so

2434
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:27,000
>> Any comment on that with the sewers out

2435
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:27,520
of it?

2436
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:37,790
>> Yes.

2437
01:30:37,800 --> 01:30:39,480
Yeah.

2438
01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:41,120
but then and is that fine metric?

2439
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:42,360
I don't want to wait forever for it

2440
01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:45,920
develop to to repave it, but I drove it today. I just don't know if

2441
01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:47,920
it's needed now or not, so

2442
01:30:47,920 --> 01:30:49,360
>> That's That's why I was looking at just

2443
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:51,800
a slurry seal just for the cracks are

2444
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:55,920
and just do that and get the slurry done, so

2445
01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:57,560
>> Yeah, so there's the cost of the slurry,

2446
01:30:57,560 --> 01:30:59,360
there's the cost of the

2447
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:00,840
>> How much would the cost of the slurry

2448
01:31:00,840 --> 01:31:01,240
be?

2449
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:03,560
>> The cost of the slurry is about 124,000

2450
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,880
and to redo the road is is 504 and I

2451
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,440
know Bob met with Kent and talked about

2452
01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:11,200
that and obviously slurry is just a

2453
01:31:11,200 --> 01:31:11,880
band-aid.

2454
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:12,920
>> Yeah, there might be some areas where

2455
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:15,000
you have to do a more intensive

2456
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,640
treatment cuz slurry is basically just

2457
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:19,680
what it is. It's just a thin coat. If

2458
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,840
you have cracks in that, it'll seal

2459
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:23,240
them, but it's not going to stop them.

2460
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:23,840
>> Mhm.

2461
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:25,560
>> Whereas if you have some bad areas, we

2462
01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:27,080
might need to dig those up, actually

2463
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:29,400
beef that section of the road up, but

2464
01:31:29,400 --> 01:31:30,840
you know, we could look at a combination

2465
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,000
of doing

2466
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:33,960
the the more intensive repairs and then

2467
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:35,800
doing the slurry over once we get that

2468
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:37,640
without doing everything, but that's

2469
01:31:37,640 --> 01:31:38,640
something we'll have to look at the

2470
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:39,280
condition.

2471
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:40,720
>> So one thing I was just thinking of and

2472
01:31:40,720 --> 01:31:42,880
I'm not an expert on roads at all, but

2473
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,600
where the cracks are, it's just go in

2474
01:31:44,600 --> 01:31:46,640
fill, you know, do the cracks and that

2475
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:49,480
wouldn't be the 123,000 and just be and

2476
01:31:49,480 --> 01:31:51,520
that's more in the middle than than the

2477
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:52,520
middle part of the road.

2478
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:54,520
>> width and depth of the crack matters cuz

2479
01:31:54,520 --> 01:31:56,440
if it gets too wide, just trying to

2480
01:31:56,440 --> 01:31:58,640
crack seal it doesn't work very well cuz

2481
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:00,960
it gets too big, so sometimes you got to

2482
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:03,760
cut like a 5-ft section out, re-compact

2483
01:32:03,760 --> 01:32:05,960
base in that, and then pave it, but

2484
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:07,080
that's definitely something we can look

2485
01:32:07,080 --> 01:32:09,080
at and some go somewhere in between

2486
01:32:09,080 --> 01:32:10,680
those two costs basically.

2487
01:32:10,680 --> 01:32:12,160
>> Yeah, I just didn't want it fall to

2488
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:13,800
pieces while we have money that we can

2489
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:16,720
fix it. So, let's keep it up up to snuff

2490
01:32:16,720 --> 01:32:18,000
and whether we need to do the whole

2491
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:19,440
thing or not, it doesn't matter to me as

2492
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:21,280
long as we keep on top of it.

2493
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:22,720
>> Yeah, I think we could do a combination

2494
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:23,280
of it.

2495
01:32:23,280 --> 01:32:27,080
>> I would How would the council feel it if we if we approve them a certain

2496
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:30,480
amount to to go after that road and and

2497
01:32:30,480 --> 01:32:32,400
preserve it, but maybe not totally redo

2498
01:32:32,400 --> 01:32:32,880
it.

2499
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:34,080
>> big comment as well, Dave.

2500
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:37,040
>> Um we are expecting and anticipating a

2501
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,200
pretty significant development

2502
01:32:39,200 --> 01:32:39,480
>> Yep.

2503
01:32:39,480 --> 01:32:46,080
>> uh to occur. Uh it might be prudent to pause and see what that specific

2504
01:32:46,080 --> 01:32:48,520
development needs to do. Uh you know, if

2505
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:51,120
there's money in the budget to to

2506
01:32:51,120 --> 01:32:53,600
come in after that one is done uh with

2507
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:55,840
whatever tie-ins may or may not be

2508
01:32:55,840 --> 01:32:57,440
necessary, that might be a little bit

2509
01:32:57,440 --> 01:32:59,280
more prudent in this situation.

2510
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:00,440
>> I like that idea.

2511
01:33:00,440 --> 01:33:02,560
>> And sorry, are we not talking about

2512
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,000
We're We're this That's a budget

2513
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,200
>> It's the RDA It's the RDA budget which

2514
01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:07,480
is Okay.

2515
01:33:07,480 --> 01:33:09,240
>> So, I'll bring that up next time then.

2516
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:10,320
Uh but you know what I'm going to bring

2517
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:14,200
up now. My My other My other question um

2518
01:33:14,200 --> 01:33:15,480
is the

2519
01:33:15,480 --> 01:33:19,200
uh the HVAC system uh for the building.

2520
01:33:19,200 --> 01:33:22,040
Um the the 700,000.

2521
01:33:22,040 --> 01:33:23,760
How many times have we rolled that over?

2522
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:24,800
Do you know, Kathy?

2523
01:33:24,800 --> 01:33:28,480
>> I think this is It might be the third.

2524
01:33:28,480 --> 01:33:29,440
>> What did you say?

2525
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:30,040
>> Third.

2526
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:31,840
year? Okay, do do we have any

2527
01:33:31,840 --> 01:33:33,760
information of why that keeps getting

2528
01:33:33,760 --> 01:33:34,800
rolled over?

2529
01:33:34,800 --> 01:33:36,160
>> Yeah, why isn't it getting Why isn't it

2530
01:33:36,160 --> 01:33:37,120
getting done?

2531
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:38,520
>> I know this year we went out for a

2532
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:40,080
formal bid. We hadn't done that

2533
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:42,960
previously. We got a contractor now

2534
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,120
online, but they don't want to do that

2535
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:47,960
project until May when it's cooler so

2536
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:48,920
that we have air conditioning.

2537
01:33:48,920 --> 01:33:51,840
>> I thought you had said it was the fall.

2538
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:52,960
>> Well, oh, sorry. Did I say

2539
01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:56,800
>> So, yeah, but I like I was going to

2540
01:33:56,800 --> 01:33:59,600
bring this exact thing up um because I

2541
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:03,080
feel like this is baby sewer plant and

2542
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:05,040
we'll just keep kicking it and HVAC

2543
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:06,960
systems just keep getting more and more

2544
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:08,960
and if we get a bid now

2545
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:11,160
I don't feel like it's going to be

2546
01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:13,120
suffi- like it's not going to be bids

2547
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,240
are only good for so long and so

2548
01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:15,920
>> 3 seconds is

2549
01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:18,760
>> Yeah, exactly. And so and if you even

2550
01:34:18,760 --> 01:34:20,520
purchase the stuff now, it may not be

2551
01:34:20,520 --> 01:34:24,360
compliant in a year. But it's

2552
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,760
Sorry to take your time, Ryan. But so

2553
01:34:26,760 --> 01:34:28,160
when I was sitting in your office and

2554
01:34:28,160 --> 01:34:31,360
I'm going to I'm going to preach it.

2555
01:34:31,360 --> 01:34:33,760
I think everyone knows that I am a

2556
01:34:33,760 --> 01:34:36,040
lead by example and as we were sitting

2557
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:37,800
in your office, number one I made the

2558
01:34:37,800 --> 01:34:39,720
example. If you go to Chief Bishop's

2559
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:41,760
office, you're in Florida with the fruit

2560
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:42,960
flies.

2561
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,800
And then you go to your office and you

2562
01:34:45,800 --> 01:34:47,840
have a inefficient

2563
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,920
window AC unit blaring all day.

2564
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,480
And here we are

2565
01:34:53,480 --> 01:34:55,480
trying to get our residents to be more

2566
01:34:55,480 --> 01:34:58,040
efficient. And all that HVAC system is

2567
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,400
going to do is help be efficient in this

2568
01:35:00,400 --> 01:35:02,880
building and even if one day this isn't

2569
01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:05,880
our city building, it's an improvement

2570
01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:08,240
to the building. And so for me

2571
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:10,600
personally, I don't want to keep kicking

2572
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:13,440
it, but that's just my thing, but

2573
01:35:13,440 --> 01:35:15,560
>> I still want to know why why it took 3

2574
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:17,600
years to

2575
01:35:17,600 --> 01:35:19,680
put out for a bid.

2576
01:35:19,680 --> 01:35:22,240
Why didn't we do this the first year?

2577
01:35:22,240 --> 01:35:25,800
>> I can't remember. Do you remember, Dave?

2578
01:35:25,800 --> 01:35:27,320
Do you remember?

2579
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:29,240
>> I didn't pull that.

2580
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:32,270
last

2581
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:33,280
I need to find out.

2582
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,280
>> Yeah, we'll find out for you.

2583
01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:35,560
>> Okay.

2584
01:35:35,560 --> 01:35:37,680
>> So I guess I guess for me personally, I

2585
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:42,920
yeah I feel uh a little different than Lacy. I wonder about just cutting that if we're going to keep

2586
01:35:42,920 --> 01:35:48,520
rolling it over and and really judge if that's the best use of the funds to put in this building right now or

2587
01:35:48,520 --> 01:35:49,520
not. So that's something I'm

2588
01:35:49,520 --> 01:35:50,120
considering.

2589
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:51,800
>> If if to do it, let's do it. If we're

2590
01:35:51,800 --> 01:35:52,440
not, then

2591
01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:53,160
>> Yes.

2592
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:54,360
>> Take it off. Totally agree.

2593
01:35:54,360 --> 01:35:55,920
>> Cuz I don't I don't see anything in the

2594
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:57,360
near future that we're going to get a

2595
01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:58,600
new building.

2596
01:35:58,600 --> 01:35:59,520
>> No.

2597
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,480
>> And I and I hear both of you.

2598
01:36:02,480 --> 01:36:03,720
But I know that our employees are

2599
01:36:03,720 --> 01:36:06,040
suffering, too. They're They're dying in

2600
01:36:06,040 --> 01:36:06,880
all the seasons.

2601
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:08,680
>> I I just I fear and I don't know. I just

2602
01:36:08,680 --> 01:36:10,640
wonder if if if we haven't done it

2603
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:12,040
because we don't know for sure if it'll

2604
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:13,880
fix the problem. The HVAC.

2605
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:14,600
>> That's a good question.

2606
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:16,640
>> That's not been the reason.

2607
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:18,400
>> I I don't believe it is. And I'm going

2608
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:20,680
to verify that it has been 3 It might be

2609
01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:21,680
2. It was 6

2610
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:23,680
>> I think the first year we budgeted, it

2611
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:24,840
was

2612
01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:27,200
and he did get some bids. It was not

2613
01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:28,960
enough money in the budget. It was a lot

2614
01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:30,600
more expensive than what we had

2615
01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:30,800
anticipated.

2616
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:32,880
>> And that's why we carried the 200,000

2617
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:34,320
>> over and added more to it.

2618
01:36:34,320 --> 01:36:36,000
>> Yep, and added more to it to make it

2619
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:37,200
work.

2620
01:36:37,200 --> 01:36:39,200
>> It was totally cost.

2621
01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,080
>> Will it be the entire building or will

2622
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:43,640
it just be the office the offices on

2623
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:45,320
this side or will it be the offices over

2624
01:36:45,320 --> 01:36:46,640
there or will it be

2625
01:36:46,640 --> 01:36:48,000
>> My understanding is the air handler for

2626
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,080
this side of the building.

2627
01:36:49,080 --> 01:36:49,560
>> That's my understanding.

2628
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:50,720
>> Yep. Yeah.

2629
01:36:50,720 --> 01:36:52,200
>> So, just one side.

2630
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:54,040
>> But yeah, just just saying 700 grand,

2631
01:36:54,040 --> 01:36:55,280
it's

2632
01:36:55,280 --> 01:36:56,640
I I know Steve

2633
01:36:56,640 --> 01:36:57,680
>> I I don't want to

2634
01:36:57,680 --> 01:36:58,960
>> I'd buy a lot of dirt somewhere.

2635
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:00,240
>> I don't want to go to

2636
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:01,760
That's the amount we're rolling over.

2637
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:03,800
It's the additional 250,000, so it's

2638
01:37:03,800 --> 01:37:05,240
950,000.

2639
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:06,880
>> Right, but that's I'm just discussing

2640
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:09,720
the roll over. Yeah. Yep. So, thank you.

2641
01:37:09,720 --> 01:37:11,520
Okay, those are my two things I I Well,

2642
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:13,960
I guess my one thing I want to bring up

2643
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:18,240
um to see if it's worth putting that 700 into this

2644
01:37:18,240 --> 01:37:19,040
budget or not.

2645
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:20,680
>> I know that you brought up in the work

2646
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,560
session the carpet replacement. Did we

2647
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:25,080
ever talk about that?

2648
01:37:25,080 --> 01:37:26,240
>> in the

2649
01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:28,440
uh what the banquet hall and Steve has

2650
01:37:28,440 --> 01:37:30,560
told me this is this is going to happen.

2651
01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:31,760
>> So, this is going to happen. Okay, cuz I

2652
01:37:31,760 --> 01:37:33,080
know you had brought up like And I do

2653
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:34,240
want new carpet in here. That's my

2654
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,240
favorite stain right there.

2655
01:37:36,240 --> 01:37:37,720
Well, you had brought it up that we I

2656
01:37:37,720 --> 01:37:38,800
think we thought it was just for the

2657
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,400
seniors cuz that's what it says on the

2658
01:37:41,400 --> 01:37:42,560
budget.

2659
01:37:42,560 --> 01:37:44,160
So, I just wanted to confirm that.

2660
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:45,880
>> We'll have to. Thank you.

2661
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:48,120
Thank Yeah.

2662
01:37:48,120 --> 01:37:51,200
>> Um I have a question about the motocross

2663
01:37:51,200 --> 01:37:53,280
study. Is that in this one or is that in

2664
01:37:53,280 --> 01:37:55,640
the amendment amended one?

2665
01:37:55,640 --> 01:37:58,360
>> It is in this budget 2027.

2666
01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:01,360
>> I would like to, um,

2667
01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:04,480
not spend $80,000 on a motocross study

2668
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:07,360
and before we get more information. We

2669
01:38:07,360 --> 01:38:08,800
need more information on how the

2670
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:12,840
residents out there feel, if it's, um,

2671
01:38:12,840 --> 01:38:14,200
going to be [snorts]

2672
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:15,720
a big fight,

2673
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:19,560
if it's even needed, if it's important,

2674
01:38:19,560 --> 01:38:21,520
all of that stuff. So, I would like to

2675
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,280
save $80,000 and not do the study for

2676
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:27,560
that because I don't think it's it's not

2677
01:38:27,560 --> 01:38:29,360
necessary right now.

2678
01:38:29,360 --> 01:38:31,200
I think it's just That's That's a lot of

2679
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:31,680
money.

2680
01:38:31,680 --> 01:38:33,680
>> And one suggestion, you don't have to

2681
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:35,640
take my suggestion. If you keep it in

2682
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:40,720
the budget and you want to do your your, um, investigation this year, you

2683
01:38:40,720 --> 01:38:42,480
don't use it, it rolls to fund balance.

2684
01:38:42,480 --> 01:38:44,520
If it's used, it's used.

2685
01:38:44,520 --> 01:38:45,920
But, that's just a suggestion. You can

2686
01:38:45,920 --> 01:38:47,360
take it out if you'd rather take it out

2687
01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:48,760
completely, too.

2688
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:49,840
>> Okay, I don't know how the rest of the

2689
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:51,200
council feels about that, but

2690
01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:53,480
>> I know that we we don't have the grant

2691
01:38:53,480 --> 01:38:56,400
money for this one. So, my feeling was

2692
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:57,880
to take it out if the grant money that

2693
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:00,560
we received is not going to cuz I feel

2694
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,160
like we're doing a lot of studies right

2695
01:39:02,160 --> 01:39:03,920
now. We're not going to be able to do

2696
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:05,200
all of them,

2697
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:07,480
but that's just my feelings on it.

2698
01:39:07,480 --> 01:39:08,320
>> Yeah.

2699
01:39:08,320 --> 01:39:09,280
>> I could add a little bit about

2700
01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:10,720
motocross. We've been working on this

2701
01:39:10,720 --> 01:39:13,640
for 20 years plus. So, it's not

2702
01:39:13,640 --> 01:39:15,200
something that's new and then Rocky

2703
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:18,160
Mountain ATV has a promise to bring in a

2704
01:39:18,160 --> 01:39:20,120
national event if this happens. So,

2705
01:39:20,120 --> 01:39:22,320
there's a lot more to it than just doing

2706
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:24,920
the study, but I I didn't even know that

2707
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:27,040
was in there for the 80,000, but it's

2708
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:29,400
something that we really need to keep

2709
01:39:29,400 --> 01:39:31,080
pursuing because something we worked on

2710
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:32,720
for a long time. There is a lot of

2711
01:39:32,720 --> 01:39:34,400
interest in it, but

2712
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:38,640
>> And is Rocky Mountain going to help us pay for that or

2713
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:40,280
>> I don't know if specifically on this. I

2714
01:39:40,280 --> 01:39:42,120
know they've talked about helping with

2715
01:39:42,120 --> 01:39:44,080
this and then I know another individual

2716
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,560
that's building a 400,000 square foot

2717
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:47,880
building in Payson that's very

2718
01:39:47,880 --> 01:39:51,440
interested in our motocross, too, and and we're

2719
01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:52,760
>> this is all information I want to know

2720
01:39:52,760 --> 01:39:55,080
before we spend

2721
01:39:55,080 --> 01:39:57,120
$80,000 on a study.

2722
01:39:57,120 --> 01:39:59,600
>> The 80,000 was just a a hypothetical

2723
01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:00,960
number. We don't have an actual

2724
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:02,480
consultant

2725
01:40:02,480 --> 01:40:05,400
that we've contacted. We just said a

2726
01:40:05,400 --> 01:40:08,000
You've just set a budget number.

2727
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:09,640
>> And another thing with this, and and the

2728
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:11,160
reason this probably in here and I

2729
01:40:11,160 --> 01:40:14,680
didn't know exactly on it, but um

2730
01:40:14,680 --> 01:40:16,280
the BLM

2731
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:20,640
says they don't have money to keep this moving along. And so, it's

2732
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:21,960
just kind of sitting there, and they

2733
01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:23,120
said, "Well, if you come up with the

2734
01:40:23,120 --> 01:40:25,360
money, then you can do this." And it it

2735
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:27,480
really shouldn't be our responsibility,

2736
01:40:27,480 --> 01:40:32,160
but to keep this moving along at all is that's probably why that's in there,

2737
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,680
but I agree that we could we could leave

2738
01:40:34,680 --> 01:40:36,080
it in the budget, but let's look at it a

2739
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:37,760
little bit deeper and see if we can get

2740
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,400
some help from some other individuals to

2741
01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:43,240
help compensate for part of this, too.

2742
01:40:43,240 --> 01:40:46,640
>> I I'm just not confident that it'll

2743
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,000
be welcomed out there after the gun

2744
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:50,640
range

2745
01:40:50,640 --> 01:40:53,230
um

2746
01:40:53,240 --> 01:40:55,520
opinions came out.

2747
01:40:55,520 --> 01:40:58,080
>> Mayor Mayor Council, we could if on all

2748
01:40:58,080 --> 01:41:01,120
these, the 80,000, the HVAC, if you want

2749
01:41:01,120 --> 01:41:02,440
to pull those out of the budget, that

2750
01:41:02,440 --> 01:41:03,760
would go into fund balance, and then

2751
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:05,080
once you get information, we could

2752
01:41:05,080 --> 01:41:06,760
always do a budget amendment later in

2753
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:08,120
the year.

2754
01:41:08,120 --> 01:41:09,320
I mean, we we can do it either way. We

2755
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:12,240
can leave it in until and

2756
01:41:12,240 --> 01:41:14,320
just put a hold on it till you guys

2757
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:16,400
>> Personally, I absolutely do not want to

2758
01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:19,280
pull the HVAC out. We've kicked that can

2759
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:20,600
down the road too long.

2760
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:21,560
>> Yeah, I'm just I'm just saying

2761
01:41:21,560 --> 01:41:22,640
>> Prices are just going to keep going

2762
01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:22,960
through the

2763
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:24,160
>> We could always do a budget amendment

2764
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:26,000
once you're comfortable with things

2765
01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:27,400
at a later time.

2766
01:41:27,400 --> 01:41:35,240
>> I I think we need more information on both those items, and we'll get a bid.

2767
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:36,360
And then we can

2768
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:37,440
do a budget

2769
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:38,400
amendment.

2770
01:41:38,400 --> 01:41:40,520
>> I think we've got a bid on the HVAC.

2771
01:41:40,520 --> 01:41:40,960
>> Do you?

2772
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:41,640
>> Yeah.

2773
01:41:41,640 --> 01:41:43,040
>> Okay. I don't want to I don't want to

2774
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:48,990
keep the HVAC in.

2775
01:41:49,000 --> 01:41:50,760
» These are my least favorite city council

2776
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:52,360
meetings, by the way.

2777
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:54,360
I'm starting to learn that.

2778
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:54,495
Um

2779
01:41:54,495 --> 01:41:55,080
>> [clears throat]

2780
01:41:55,080 --> 01:41:58,520
>> I didn't just going to say this and then

2781
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:00,760
I'm done my personal opinion will then

2782
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:03,040
talking about it. Um

2783
01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:05,000
I'm going to first say

2784
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:07,600
uh this opened my eyes a lot.

2785
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:08,280
Um

2786
01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,320
I will be the first one to admit like I

2787
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:14,360
have said the exact words shame on me

2788
01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:16,680
for not asking as many questions as now

2789
01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:18,560
I suddenly have.

2790
01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:21,680
Um especially as last week I reached out

2791
01:42:21,680 --> 01:42:23,920
to you and I said

2792
01:42:23,920 --> 01:42:26,200
what is other professional services

2793
01:42:26,200 --> 01:42:29,000
entail? What does this entail? What does

2794
01:42:29,000 --> 01:42:30,760
this entail?

2795
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:33,240
And as I started getting the answers,

2796
01:42:33,240 --> 01:42:35,760
that's when I saw things and I said I'm

2797
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:37,360
not okay with that. And then I started

2798
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:40,000
thinking of my

2799
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:43,160
real my full-time job and I thought I

2800
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:44,920
asked these questions in there and

2801
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:46,880
that's how I find this this and this. So

2802
01:42:46,880 --> 01:42:48,040
I asked you, you know, multiple

2803
01:42:48,040 --> 01:42:49,800
questions about like subscriptions and

2804
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:51,640
do you know, how do we make sure that

2805
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:52,720
we're not paying for the same

2806
01:42:52,720 --> 01:42:55,320
subscription somewhere, you know, um

2807
01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:57,720
different things that little by little

2808
01:42:57,720 --> 01:43:00,920
like my exact notes are like many think

2809
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,080
that like little expenditures, you know,

2810
01:43:03,080 --> 01:43:05,000
or little tiny increases may not be a

2811
01:43:05,000 --> 01:43:07,040
lot, but it adds up and that's why all

2812
01:43:07,040 --> 01:43:09,400
of a sudden we were at 122,

2813
01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:12,280
123 and now we're at 126.5.

2814
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:14,520
Um

2815
01:43:14,520 --> 01:43:16,600
again like my biggest thing that I would

2816
01:43:16,600 --> 01:43:18,760
like those little tiny things

2817
01:43:18,760 --> 01:43:21,640
I would love for all this stuff that we

2818
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:24,160
cut the things that aren't right this

2819
01:43:24,160 --> 01:43:26,880
minute needed and I can't do that

2820
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:28,840
because I now didn't give my time to

2821
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:31,960
really like dig into it. Um but I really

2822
01:43:31,960 --> 01:43:33,480
after talking to you, I would really

2823
01:43:33,480 --> 01:43:36,600
love to look at it more

2824
01:43:36,600 --> 01:43:37,920
um

2825
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:40,720
and put more into the like the capital

2826
01:43:40,720 --> 01:43:42,680
because I really think that that's how

2827
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:43,880
like

2828
01:43:43,880 --> 01:43:46,320
we need to fund a police station soon

2829
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:49,240
and I really that is like I would I

2830
01:43:49,240 --> 01:43:50,960
don't want to increase taxes on it and

2831
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:52,640
so for me the more and more we started

2832
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:55,000
looking at numbers like I know $80,000

2833
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:58,160
isn't an overall ton of money

2834
01:43:58,160 --> 01:44:00,000
but it might pay you know in my eyes I'm

2835
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,440
like well that pays for someone's salary

2836
01:44:02,440 --> 01:44:04,800
you know that pays for this and so me

2837
01:44:04,800 --> 01:44:06,920
personally I will be the first to admit

2838
01:44:06,920 --> 01:44:09,520
shame on me. Um, that's all I have to

2839
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,120
say on it but that will help um

2840
01:44:12,120 --> 01:44:14,800
just let people understand where I'm at

2841
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:18,110
right now. So.

2842
01:44:18,120 --> 01:44:19,800
This is on. Is it on now?

2843
01:44:19,800 --> 01:44:21,840
>> If any of you have questions feel free.

2844
01:44:21,840 --> 01:44:24,320
>> Feel free to ask, stop by.

2845
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:26,240
I'm a spreadsheet person so I drive

2846
01:44:26,240 --> 01:44:28,160
people nuts but I'm happy to give any

2847
01:44:28,160 --> 01:44:30,160
level of detail you want.

2848
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:31,520
>> It was a learning experience that's why

2849
01:44:31,520 --> 01:44:33,880
I said like this first year

2850
01:44:33,880 --> 01:44:35,120
they don't teach you this in that

2851
01:44:35,120 --> 01:44:37,600
three-hour course you take. I can tell

2852
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:39,440
you that right now. The only thing they

2853
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,360
teach you is stuff that hasn't been

2854
01:44:41,360 --> 01:44:43,560
relevant at all. So

2855
01:44:43,560 --> 01:44:44,560
that's all I want to say.

2856
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:46,480
>> And Kathy you you've been more than

2857
01:44:46,480 --> 01:44:47,280
accessible.

2858
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:47,800
>> Thank you.

2859
01:44:47,800 --> 01:44:49,360
>> You really know you you know your

2860
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:51,040
numbers, you know your spreadsheets, you

2861
01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,480
know all the funds. So thank you so much

2862
01:44:53,480 --> 01:44:54,800
for being willing to answer all our

2863
01:44:54,800 --> 01:44:57,880
questions and talk to us at any time.

2864
01:44:57,880 --> 01:44:59,200
>> So um

2865
01:44:59,200 --> 01:45:01,320
Dave and Robert um so there's there's

2866
01:45:01,320 --> 01:45:03,680
two avenues here we could remove

2867
01:45:03,680 --> 01:45:06,280
uh said items if it were to pass from

2868
01:45:06,280 --> 01:45:09,040
the budget or is there a way to attach

2869
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,880
something to these particular items that

2870
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:13,000
it couldn't be spent until it got

2871
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:15,640
reapproved by the council?

2872
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:16,960
Or is it just easier to just take it out

2873
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:18,320
and then do a budget amendment?

2874
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,680
>> part of your motion and we'll

2875
01:45:19,680 --> 01:45:20,600
>> Okay.

2876
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:21,360
>> Yeah.

2877
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:22,640
>> Could you guys feel comfortable if we

2878
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,120
kept these things in the budget but I I

2879
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:26,840
be but attached something to these two

2880
01:45:26,840 --> 01:45:28,760
line items that uh require further

2881
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:31,320
approval before we spend the money.

2882
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:32,960
>> So it doesn't disappear

2883
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:33,200
>> Yep.

2884
01:45:33,200 --> 01:45:34,080
>> over time like

2885
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:34,840
>> Right.

2886
01:45:34,840 --> 01:45:36,240
>> nickel and dime away.

2887
01:45:36,240 --> 01:45:38,480
>> And then if And then if we decide to to

2888
01:45:38,480 --> 01:45:40,360
change the amount or it's not spent,

2889
01:45:40,360 --> 01:45:42,320
then what happens to that that money on

2890
01:45:42,320 --> 01:45:44,000
paper?

2891
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:44,200
>> Yep.

2892
01:45:44,200 --> 01:45:45,640
>> Okay.

2893
01:45:45,640 --> 01:45:53,750
>> It'll be

2894
01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:57,080
» Okay.

2895
01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:58,560
>> Or like you were saying earlier, to pay

2896
01:45:58,560 --> 01:45:59,640
a bill.

2897
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:00,560
>> Yeah.

2898
01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:02,280
>> Yep.

2899
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:05,320
>> Any further discussion, Council?

2900
01:46:05,320 --> 01:46:06,800
It's kind of long and lengthy, but I

2901
01:46:06,800 --> 01:46:10,360
think we've got a got kind of an idea of where

2902
01:46:10,360 --> 01:46:11,600
we want to go with this.

2903
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:11,960
>> Mhm.

2904
01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:13,000
>> It's important stuff.

2905
01:46:13,000 --> 01:46:15,800
>> Yep, it is. I would entertain a motion

2906
01:46:15,800 --> 01:46:17,480
for the adoption of the fiscal year

2907
01:46:17,480 --> 01:46:19,440
2026-2027

2908
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:20,880
budget

2909
01:46:20,880 --> 01:46:23,240
as proposed.

2910
01:46:23,240 --> 01:46:25,040
>> Can I

2911
01:46:25,040 --> 01:46:26,840
change your motion?

2912
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:29,040
Can we Can we change the motion in such

2913
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:30,040
that uh

2914
01:46:30,040 --> 01:46:33,560
the uh the 80,000 for the uh dirt bike

2915
01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:34,200
>> Bob made a motion.

2916
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:35,000
>> What Brandon what

2917
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:38,120
>> I didn't I didn't make a motion.

2918
01:46:38,120 --> 01:46:38,560
>> Okay.

2919
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:40,200
>> I just said I would entertain a motion.

2920
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:41,320
>> Oh, okay. Okay.

2921
01:46:41,320 --> 01:46:42,800
>> I would entertain a motion.

2922
01:46:42,800 --> 01:46:44,360
>> Sorry, yes. Sorry about that.

2923
01:46:44,360 --> 01:46:46,400
>> Yeah, no. I I would entertain a motion.

2924
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:50,120
>> Okay, well, I make a motion that we adopt the fiscal

2925
01:46:50,120 --> 01:46:52,800
year 2026-2027

2926
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:56,240
year budget uh with with the uh

2927
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:58,880
the changes that the HVAC uh for the

2928
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,560
amount of 700,000 for the city center,

2929
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:05,800
and also that a 80,000 dollar um

2930
01:47:05,800 --> 01:47:08,560
>> motorcross track uh

2931
01:47:08,560 --> 01:47:11,840
>> study uh that those two line items have

2932
01:47:11,840 --> 01:47:13,320
attached to them that the money cannot

2933
01:47:13,320 --> 01:47:15,800
be spent until further review and

2934
01:47:15,800 --> 01:47:18,480
approval by staff and city council.

2935
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:20,800
>> I'll second.

2936
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:24,750
>> I have a motion Any other comment?

2937
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:28,040
Start with council member Lacy.

2938
01:47:28,040 --> 01:47:28,840
Oh, you want me to

2939
01:47:28,840 --> 01:47:33,000
>> No, it's okay. No, it's okay. Um

2940
01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:34,200
Uh

2941
01:47:34,200 --> 01:47:36,240
I just cannot in good faith say I fully

2942
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:38,240
approve it. So, mine is a no right now.

2943
01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:38,520
>> Okay.

2944
01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:39,040
>> That's all.

2945
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:40,040
>> Council member Hewlett.

2946
01:47:40,040 --> 01:47:40,720
>> Yes.

2947
01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:41,560
>> Council member Rowley.

2948
01:47:41,560 --> 01:47:42,480
>> Yes.

2949
01:47:42,480 --> 01:47:44,720
>> Council member Proscard. Yes.

2950
01:47:44,720 --> 01:47:45,680
Council member Moss.

2951
01:47:45,680 --> 01:47:46,840
>> Yes.

2952
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:49,360
>> Motion carries.

2953
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:52,510
All right.

2954
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:54,280
Uh

2955
01:47:54,280 --> 01:47:56,720
Cathy, our next on the budget amendment

2956
01:47:56,720 --> 01:48:01,360
fiscal year 2026 or 2025 2026 budget

2957
01:48:01,360 --> 01:48:02,480
amendments.

2958
01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:05,480
>> Okay. We have a few suggested budget

2959
01:48:05,480 --> 01:48:07,000
amendments. The first one is an

2960
01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:08,880
additional allocation

2961
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,960
for transfer to the capital fund. Again,

2962
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:13,000
we're not expending funds, we're moving

2963
01:48:13,000 --> 01:48:16,840
them from the utility fund to the

2964
01:48:16,840 --> 01:48:20,200
capital fund. Be um allocated by the

2965
01:48:20,200 --> 01:48:23,640
council at a future time.

2966
01:48:23,640 --> 01:48:26,840
Um and of course it won't move for me.

2967
01:48:26,840 --> 01:48:28,400
Darn it.

2968
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:29,720
Let's see if I can get it to move. There

2969
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:31,920
we go. Communities that care, they've

2970
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:33,600
had additional projects. I don't think

2971
01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,920
we adequately um

2972
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:37,480
counted on the youth council and some

2973
01:48:37,480 --> 01:48:39,480
other expenses. So, we're suggesting we

2974
01:48:39,480 --> 01:48:41,800
bring in $25,000 to

2975
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:46,750
balance out that budget.

2976
01:48:46,760 --> 01:48:48,480
Well, it's going to be an interesting

2977
01:48:48,480 --> 01:48:50,320
night. Sorry.

2978
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:51,680
Crum.

2979
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:54,400
Okay. Well, [laughter]

2980
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:56,560
I don't know where we are anymore.

2981
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:57,360
Okay.

2982
01:48:57,360 --> 01:48:57,960
>> There you are.

2983
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:00,680
>> Scottish Festival. They um have been

2984
01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:02,200
bringing in additional revenue. So,

2985
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:04,440
we're suggesting that we increase their

2986
01:49:04,440 --> 01:49:06,680
revenue and their expenditure side to

2987
01:49:06,680 --> 01:49:08,920
allow them to spend revenue because they

2988
01:49:08,920 --> 01:49:10,800
just they straddled the fiscal year

2989
01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:12,440
there.

2990
01:49:12,440 --> 01:49:15,560
And then, there the next three are just

2991
01:49:15,560 --> 01:49:18,240
cushions. These departments have not

2992
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:21,960
gone out over budget. It's just that

2993
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:23,920
when we do budget projections, it's

2994
01:49:23,920 --> 01:49:26,360
getting so small a margin that if they

2995
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:28,680
have an unexpected expense or something

2996
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:30,440
else, we would like to have just a

2997
01:49:30,440 --> 01:49:32,400
cushion for them so that they do not go

2998
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:33,920
over budget.

2999
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:36,200
Um and I I want to point out that most

3000
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:38,000
of the general fund expenditures are

3001
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:40,080
being offset by the building maintenance

3002
01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:41,600
budget, so it's not coming out of fund

3003
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:42,960
balance. It's just a shifting of

3004
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,680
budgets.

3005
01:49:45,680 --> 01:49:47,720
>> I um

3006
01:49:47,720 --> 01:49:49,360
li- line item I guess we need to Oh,

3007
01:49:49,360 --> 01:49:51,840
never mind. I'm going to wait. Yep.

3008
01:49:51,840 --> 01:49:52,960
Okay.

3009
01:49:52,960 --> 01:49:54,600
I would accept a motion to open the

3010
01:49:54,600 --> 01:49:55,480
public hearing.

3011
01:49:55,480 --> 01:49:57,120
>> I

3012
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:59,920
give Oh, I'm like now I've lost.

3013
01:49:59,920 --> 01:50:00,800
Uh

3014
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,280
so moved. Someone else Sorry. [laughter]

3015
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:04,480
>> I'll second it.

3016
01:50:04,480 --> 01:50:07,200
>> Okay. Brian Brian made the motion. Lacey

3017
01:50:07,200 --> 01:50:09,000
seconded.

3018
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:10,640
Start with Councilmember Roll- or

3019
01:50:10,640 --> 01:50:12,600
Councilmember Moss.

3020
01:50:12,600 --> 01:50:13,040
>> Yes.

3021
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:14,000
>> Councilmember Roley.

3022
01:50:14,000 --> 01:50:14,480
>> Yes.

3023
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:15,480
>> Councilmember Hewlett.

3024
01:50:15,480 --> 01:50:16,040
>> Yes.

3025
01:50:16,040 --> 01:50:16,920
>> Councilmember

3026
01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:17,480
>> Yes.

3027
01:50:17,480 --> 01:50:19,720
>> Ann and Councilmember Bob, yes.

3028
01:50:19,720 --> 01:50:20,400
>> You mean Lacey.

3029
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:20,720
>> Okay.

3030
01:50:20,720 --> 01:50:22,840
>> Lacey.

3031
01:50:22,840 --> 01:50:23,680
What did I say?

3032
01:50:23,680 --> 01:50:25,000
>> Ann.

3033
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:26,040
I don't get to vote.

3034
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:27,360
>> Lacey is a yes.

3035
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:30,720
>> Okay. Public hearing is open concerning

3036
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:33,720
the 2026-27

3037
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:39,790
enterprise fund transfers.

3038
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:41,720
» It's a budget adjustment.

3039
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:44,000
>> Oh, budget amendment. Sorry. Budget

3040
01:50:44,000 --> 01:50:44,960
amendment.

3041
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:45,360
>> Yes.

3042
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:46,080
>> I'm so sorry.

3043
01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:47,080
>> That's okay.

3044
01:50:47,080 --> 01:50:48,240
>> check that one off yet.

3045
01:50:48,240 --> 01:50:50,400
>> You're doing great. It's a big agenda.

3046
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:52,600
>> add really quick that by state law we're

3047
01:50:52,600 --> 01:50:54,760
not supposed to get over expend any of

3048
01:50:54,760 --> 01:50:57,560
our budgets. So this just lets us land

3049
01:50:57,560 --> 01:50:59,840
the plane without going over budget.

3050
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:01,480
>> Imagine that. Cities have to balance

3051
01:51:01,480 --> 01:51:03,391
their budget and others don't.

3052
01:51:03,391 --> 01:51:03,640
>> [laughter]

3053
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:05,840
>> Okay.

3054
01:51:05,840 --> 01:51:07,040
So these

3055
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:09,480
To me it's just in case fund that will

3056
01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:10,840
be approved

3057
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:12,840
uh in case.

3058
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:15,110
Um

3059
01:51:15,120 --> 01:51:16,960
Is that a good concise way of saying it?

3060
01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:18,840
>> That is. Yes. The only one that we

3061
01:51:18,840 --> 01:51:20,560
probably need to

3062
01:51:20,560 --> 01:51:22,120
that is not is the Communities That

3063
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:24,880
Care. They have expended their budget.

3064
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:26,920
>> Okay.

3065
01:51:26,920 --> 01:51:29,000
Any public comment?

3066
01:51:29,000 --> 01:51:30,200
>> Yes.

3067
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:30,880
>> It's open.

3068
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:31,400
>> I would say.

3069
01:51:31,400 --> 01:51:32,480
>> Yeah, it's open.

3070
01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:33,480
>> That's what we vote about.

3071
01:51:33,480 --> 01:51:34,040
>> Yeah.

3072
01:51:34,040 --> 01:51:36,240
>> Emily, anybody online?

3073
01:51:36,240 --> 01:51:38,240
Not seeing anyone online or no public

3074
01:51:38,240 --> 01:51:39,400
input.

3075
01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:41,040
I would accept a motion to close the

3076
01:51:41,040 --> 01:51:41,840
public hearing.

3077
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:42,640
>> So moved.

3078
01:51:42,640 --> 01:51:43,520
>> Second.

3079
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,480
>> I have a motion and a second. Council

3080
01:51:45,480 --> 01:51:46,200
member Lacey.

3081
01:51:46,200 --> 01:51:46,880
>> Yes.

3082
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:47,880
>> Council member Brian.

3083
01:51:47,880 --> 01:51:48,440
>> Yes.

3084
01:51:48,440 --> 01:51:49,440
>> Council member Ryan.

3085
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:49,920
>> Yes.

3086
01:51:49,920 --> 01:51:52,600
>> Council member Bob. Yes. Council member

3087
01:51:52,600 --> 01:51:53,040
Ann.

3088
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:54,160
>> Yes.

3089
01:51:54,160 --> 01:51:55,400
>> Okay.

3090
01:51:55,400 --> 01:51:56,800
Discussion.

3091
01:51:56,800 --> 01:51:58,760
>> When do when does the city council

3092
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:00,240
usually

3093
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:03,320
discuss what to do with the capital

3094
01:52:03,320 --> 01:52:06,400
funds that we're allowed to Like is that

3095
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,480
Do we have any meetings during the year?

3096
01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:09,680
When do we

3097
01:52:09,680 --> 01:52:10,160
Okay.

3098
01:52:10,160 --> 01:52:11,680
>> We can do it at a work session, a budget

3099
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:13,440
meeting, anything you would like. Right

3100
01:52:13,440 --> 01:52:15,280
now we have the two major project

3101
01:52:15,280 --> 01:52:17,280
projects. We're wrapping up the downtown

3102
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:19,400
Main Street project. We're reserving

3103
01:52:19,400 --> 01:52:22,990
funds for the fire station.

3104
01:52:23,000 --> 01:52:24,560
For that debt service and to pay half

3105
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:27,280
the cost of the fire station. Those are

3106
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:29,200
the projects that we have right now.

3107
01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:30,960
>> Normally as we start the budget process

3108
01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:33,360
in January, we'll propose some projects,

3109
01:52:33,360 --> 01:52:35,280
but anytime the council has something

3110
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:36,520
they would like to use those capital

3111
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,000
funds, we're happy to listen to it.

3112
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:41,560
>> And Kathy said we can save them, like

3113
01:52:41,560 --> 01:52:44,160
build it up for something big coming up.

3114
01:52:44,160 --> 01:52:46,920
>> To to a certain amount. Such as the

3115
01:52:46,920 --> 01:52:50,680
ladder truck Lacey we talked about

3116
01:52:50,680 --> 01:52:51,120
>> a new

3117
01:52:51,120 --> 01:52:52,600
>> Putting some money away for the fire

3118
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:53,560
truck.

3119
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:55,120
The new ladder truck that we're going to

3120
01:52:55,120 --> 01:52:56,800
order.

3121
01:52:56,800 --> 01:52:58,640
So that we can

3122
01:52:58,640 --> 01:52:59,800
>> down the road, yeah.

3123
01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:00,480
>> Down the road.

3124
01:53:00,480 --> 01:53:02,320
>> Yeah. I mean I would love to

3125
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:02,960
>> That's what I mean is

3126
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:04,600
>> Yeah, I would love to even break down

3127
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:07,040
percentages, like

3128
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:08,120
if we're going to do a ladder truck

3129
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:09,240
then, if we're going to do a police

3130
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:11,400
station there, if we're going to do, you

3131
01:53:11,400 --> 01:53:13,560
know, whatever is

3132
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:15,840
ranked of what we need the most, I think

3133
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:17,840
that this is a great way to do it. And

3134
01:53:17,840 --> 01:53:19,840
again, it helps cuz it comes from the

3135
01:53:19,840 --> 01:53:21,280
utility funds.

3136
01:53:21,280 --> 01:53:23,960
And again then, if we spend less and we

3137
01:53:23,960 --> 01:53:25,800
get the revenue,

3138
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:30,760
more money that we can go in there and save others from

3139
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:31,640
spending.

3140
01:53:31,640 --> 01:53:33,920
>> And this money comes from Oh, sorry.

3141
01:53:33,920 --> 01:53:36,800
It's on. You're on.

3142
01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:39,560
This money actually comes

3143
01:53:39,560 --> 01:53:40,920
Oh, well, that is

3144
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:42,960
>> Wasn't it a utility fund transferred to

3145
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:44,920
the capital?

3146
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:46,080
Or did I misunderstand?

3147
01:53:46,080 --> 01:53:49,840
>> Okay. The utility fund is uh sales tax.

3148
01:53:49,840 --> 01:53:51,600
We used to use a utility fund. It's

3149
01:53:51,600 --> 01:53:53,720
called utility fund. It's sales tax

3150
01:53:53,720 --> 01:53:55,440
that's generated off

3151
01:53:55,440 --> 01:53:59,520
uh the the power. But it is a sales tax,

3152
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:01,720
but we're trying to close out that fund

3153
01:54:01,720 --> 01:54:03,240
and just use the general fund.

3154
01:54:03,240 --> 01:54:05,000
>> But if the general fund goes the

3155
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:07,520
expenditures go down, then we have more

3156
01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:09,520
left over to

3157
01:54:09,520 --> 01:54:12,440
Perfect. Okay.

3158
01:54:12,440 --> 01:54:14,400
>> Any further discussion, Council?

3159
01:54:14,400 --> 01:54:15,200
>> the public hearing.

3160
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:17,840
>> We did? Okay. Um

3161
01:54:17,840 --> 01:54:19,760
I I do I do wonder about line item

3162
01:54:19,760 --> 01:54:21,840
number two, the Communities That Care.

3163
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:23,760
Uh you know, that that's

3164
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:26,240
and that's about 30% of their budget.

3165
01:54:26,240 --> 01:54:28,560
What's the big need for that much of an

3166
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:29,760
emergency fund? Do you know where the

3167
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:31,800
extra expenditures came from, Carl?

3168
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:33,560
Or Kathy, whoever wants to answer.

3169
01:54:33,560 --> 01:54:38,800
>> Oh, I'm I'm sorry. I'll just say that is not an emergency fund. That is

3170
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:40,520
they actually went over budget this

3171
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:42,520
year. And I think

3172
01:54:42,520 --> 01:54:44,480
I don't believe we budget for the youth

3173
01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:47,480
council, but we did have the youth court

3174
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:50,920
in there. So, I think and I I mean

3175
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:52,520
I'm not sure of all the expenditures,

3176
01:54:52,520 --> 01:54:55,440
but that's the majority of it. Is that

3177
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:56,240
correct, Carl?

3178
01:54:56,240 --> 01:54:57,840
>> I would say the youth council addition

3179
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:59,680
is some extra hours that shall be set to

3180
01:54:59,680 --> 01:55:00,800
work.

3181
01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:02,440
Multiply other things.

3182
01:55:02,440 --> 01:55:03,440
>> Mhm.

3183
01:55:03,440 --> 01:55:04,920
Okay. Thank you. I was just curious.

3184
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:11,190
Yep.

3185
01:55:11,200 --> 01:55:13,560
By the way, the Scottish Festival is on

3186
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:15,680
deck.

3187
01:55:15,680 --> 01:55:16,520
>> Yeah, I'm up soon.

3188
01:55:16,520 --> 01:55:18,440
>> Getting excited.

3189
01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:22,150
Put my kilt on.

3190
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:24,480
Any further discussion, Council?

3191
01:55:24,480 --> 01:55:27,040
All right, then I would accept a motion

3192
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:28,280
for

3193
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:30,400
adoption of budget amendments fiscal

3194
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:32,320
year 2025.

3195
01:55:32,320 --> 01:55:34,200
How come it says 2025?

3196
01:55:34,200 --> 01:55:35,960
>> It's 25 through 26.

3197
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:37,240
>> It's the one It's the one we're

3198
01:55:37,240 --> 01:55:38,600
currently tidying up last year's budget.

3199
01:55:38,600 --> 01:55:39,280
>> Okay.

3200
01:55:39,280 --> 01:55:39,600
>> Yeah.

3201
01:55:39,600 --> 01:55:42,600
>> 2025 to 2026 budget.

3202
01:55:42,600 --> 01:55:44,120
Thank you.

3203
01:55:44,120 --> 01:55:47,440
>> I move that we approve the

3204
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:49,160
2025-2026

3205
01:55:49,160 --> 01:55:50,800
fiscal year budget amendments as

3206
01:55:50,800 --> 01:55:52,640
presented.

3207
01:55:52,640 --> 01:55:54,840
>> A motion and a second. Council member

3208
01:55:54,840 --> 01:55:55,320
Moss.

3209
01:55:55,320 --> 01:55:55,800
>> Yes.

3210
01:55:55,800 --> 01:55:56,880
>> Council member Rowley.

3211
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:57,920
>> Yes.

3212
01:55:57,920 --> 01:55:58,960
>> Council member Hulen.

3213
01:55:58,960 --> 01:56:00,080
>> Yes.

3214
01:56:00,080 --> 01:56:00,880
>> Council member Smith.

3215
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:01,640
>> Yes.

3216
01:56:01,640 --> 01:56:02,720
>> And Council member Bob.

3217
01:56:02,720 --> 01:56:04,760
>> Yes.

3218
01:56:04,760 --> 01:56:05,720
>> How am I doing, Dave?

3219
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:06,520
>> You're doing awesome.

3220
01:56:06,520 --> 01:56:07,520
>> I know.

3221
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,960
And that is tongue-tied as they can be.

3222
01:56:09,960 --> 01:56:14,510
Moving on.

3223
01:56:14,520 --> 01:56:17,240
Item number six, public hearing or staff

3224
01:56:17,240 --> 01:56:18,920
presentation, Cathy.

3225
01:56:18,920 --> 01:56:22,400
>> Okay, fee schedule changes. We had three

3226
01:56:22,400 --> 01:56:24,840
um proposed fee schedule changes in the

3227
01:56:24,840 --> 01:56:27,560
solid waste. The first one is a startup

3228
01:56:27,560 --> 01:56:29,680
fee for garbage collections, and that is

3229
01:56:29,680 --> 01:56:32,320
because the cost of cans increased $23,

3230
01:56:32,320 --> 01:56:34,240
so that's a pass-through.

3231
01:56:34,240 --> 01:56:36,280
The cost of recycling contracts

3232
01:56:36,280 --> 01:56:39,360
increased 31 cents, so we're proposing

3233
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:42,240
that um we increase recycling that much,

3234
01:56:42,240 --> 01:56:44,040
and people can opt out of that program.

3235
01:56:44,040 --> 01:56:46,600
That's That's not a necessary program if

3236
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:48,800
they don't want it. And finally, there

3237
01:56:48,800 --> 01:56:52,120
was a a legislative action back in 2025

3238
01:56:52,120 --> 01:56:55,760
that said that if there are fines on

3239
01:56:55,760 --> 01:56:58,680
unsecured loans, $5 of that has to go

3240
01:56:58,680 --> 01:57:00,400
back to the Environmental Protection

3241
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:02,280
Agency so that they can collect the

3242
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:04,480
litter off the highways, as I understand

3243
01:57:04,480 --> 01:57:07,400
it. So, we would propose that we raise

3244
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:10,680
um unsecured loans to five to $10 to

3245
01:57:10,680 --> 01:57:12,720
cover that uh penalty that we have to

3246
01:57:12,720 --> 01:57:15,470
pass on.

3247
01:57:15,480 --> 01:57:17,640
» The recycling is passed on just directly

3248
01:57:17,640 --> 01:57:20,240
to the the citizens that are using

3249
01:57:20,240 --> 01:57:20,600
>> Right.

3250
01:57:20,600 --> 01:57:22,240
>> that service and

3251
01:57:22,240 --> 01:57:23,800
that is not passed on to the entire

3252
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:24,320
city.

3253
01:57:24,320 --> 01:57:24,680
>> No.

3254
01:57:24,680 --> 01:57:25,000
>> Right.

3255
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:26,800
>> And and people cannot talk out of that.

3256
01:57:26,800 --> 01:57:28,800
>> and we got that from Republic Services.

3257
01:57:28,800 --> 01:57:30,480
>> And am I right in saying the these fees

3258
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:32,280
were actually incurred from Public

3259
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:34,200
Services? These This is not Payson City

3260
01:57:34,200 --> 01:57:36,520
raising uh the recycling rates. This is

3261
01:57:36,520 --> 01:57:38,760
however the third-party uh provider,

3262
01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:40,480
which is Republic Services, raising

3263
01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:42,920
their rates and uh we didn't feel Payson

3264
01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:44,880
City should subsidize recycling for

3265
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:46,200
everyone that's not doing it, so we're

3266
01:57:46,200 --> 01:57:48,440
just passing that down onto the actual

3267
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:50,840
person that recycles.

3268
01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:52,560
>> Yeah, all of these are from another

3269
01:57:52,560 --> 01:57:53,040
entity.

3270
01:57:53,040 --> 01:57:55,400
>> And I was going to go after uh the the

3271
01:57:55,400 --> 01:57:57,800
unsecured load of of increasing it that

3272
01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:00,360
much, but I see it's actually a a house

3273
01:58:00,360 --> 01:58:01,941
bill, so

3274
01:58:01,941 --> 01:58:02,240
>> [laughter]

3275
01:58:02,240 --> 01:58:02,880
>> I can't.

3276
01:58:02,880 --> 01:58:03,400
>> it for you.

3277
01:58:03,400 --> 01:58:04,360
>> Yep.

3278
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:06,360
>> All right, so I would entertain a motion

3279
01:58:06,360 --> 01:58:07,640
uh

3280
01:58:07,640 --> 01:58:08,080
for

3281
01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:09,920
>> I have one quick one quick question.

3282
01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:11,720
>> We've got to have a public hearing.

3283
01:58:11,720 --> 01:58:14,240
>> So, the unsecured loads, I thought we

3284
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:15,240
were already higher than that if

3285
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:17,040
somebody didn't cover their loads than

3286
01:58:17,040 --> 01:58:17,960
$10.

3287
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:19,800
>> Well, if they don't right now the

3288
01:58:19,800 --> 01:58:22,320
penalty is $5, so we're going to add $5

3289
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:24,040
that we have to pass on to the the

3290
01:58:24,040 --> 01:58:27,400
Environmental Protection Agency.

3291
01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:29,440
>> Yeah.

3292
01:58:29,440 --> 01:58:30,480
I think it might have been higher than

3293
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:31,080
that if

3294
01:58:31,080 --> 01:58:32,520
>> All right, I would entertain a motion

3295
01:58:32,520 --> 01:58:34,920
for a public hearing on the uh

3296
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:37,200
resolution fee schedule update.

3297
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:38,440
>> So motion.

3298
01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:39,320
>> I have a motion.

3299
01:58:39,320 --> 01:58:39,960
>> Second.

3300
01:58:39,960 --> 01:58:42,160
>> Seconded Councilmember Moss.

3301
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:43,480
Uh start with

3302
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:44,400
Councilmember Smith.

3303
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:45,000
>> Yes.

3304
01:58:45,000 --> 01:58:45,680
>> Councilmember Hill.

3305
01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:46,240
>> Yes.

3306
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:47,280
>> Councilmember Rowley.

3307
01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:47,880
>> Yes.

3308
01:58:47,880 --> 01:58:49,240
>> Councilmember Probstgaard.

3309
01:58:49,240 --> 01:58:49,960
>> Yes.

3310
01:58:49,960 --> 01:58:50,840
>> Councilmember Moss.

3311
01:58:50,840 --> 01:58:51,920
>> Yes.

3312
01:58:51,920 --> 01:58:54,920
>> The public hearing is open concerning

3313
01:58:54,920 --> 01:58:56,840
the

3314
01:58:56,840 --> 01:59:02,790
fee up schedule update.

3315
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:04,400
Yes, Ross.

3316
01:59:04,400 --> 01:59:06,080
>> You guys are going faster than my minute

3317
01:59:06,080 --> 01:59:07,442
sure mine.

3318
01:59:07,442 --> 01:59:08,240
>> [laughter]

3319
01:59:08,240 --> 01:59:10,600
>> I have a whole five questions.

3320
01:59:10,600 --> 01:59:14,360
When they first started this recycling

3321
01:59:14,360 --> 01:59:16,160
I was under

3322
01:59:16,160 --> 01:59:17,600
the impression that

3323
01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:22,880
they was dumping the recycling stuff in our landfill.

3324
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:25,240
Is that still the case or is it actually

3325
01:59:25,240 --> 01:59:28,080
getting recycled? I pay what?

3326
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:29,400
Seven, eight bucks a month.

3327
01:59:29,400 --> 01:59:29,720
>> Yes.

3328
01:59:29,720 --> 01:59:30,560
>> Now

3329
01:59:30,560 --> 01:59:31,880
recycling

3330
01:59:31,880 --> 01:59:32,680
>> I can

3331
01:59:32,680 --> 01:59:33,840
Yeah, Kathy.

3332
01:59:33,840 --> 01:59:35,320
>> I I used

3333
01:59:35,320 --> 01:59:36,680
>> There's some spoils

3334
01:59:36,680 --> 01:59:37,040
>> Yeah.

3335
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:39,440
>> that are within the recycling that that

3336
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:42,760
aren't accepted. That ends up uh they

3337
01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:44,400
separate it.

3338
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:46,240
And some of it does end up in a

3339
01:59:46,240 --> 01:59:47,520
landfill.

3340
01:59:47,520 --> 01:59:49,280
I won't specifically say it comes in

3341
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:50,680
ours. Uh

3342
01:59:50,680 --> 01:59:52,560
there's also the landfill out out to the

3343
01:59:52,560 --> 01:59:53,640
west

3344
01:59:53,640 --> 01:59:56,360
of us. Um but yeah, there are some

3345
01:59:56,360 --> 01:59:58,520
spoils that citizens put

3346
01:59:58,520 --> 02:00:00,200
the wrong garbage in.

3347
02:00:00,200 --> 02:00:00,880
Uh

3348
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:03,360
And so it's separated, but if you've

3349
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:05,800
been over there, they recycle a lot of

3350
02:00:05,800 --> 02:00:06,960
stuff

3351
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:08,680
that that come through. So yes, that's a

3352
02:00:08,680 --> 02:00:10,480
good good question.

3353
02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:10,880
Dave

3354
02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:12,520
>> Yeah, just to answer that, we we over

3355
02:00:12,520 --> 02:00:14,240
periodically we get complaints about

3356
02:00:14,240 --> 02:00:14,907
that.

3357
02:00:14,907 --> 02:00:15,280
>> [clears throat]

3358
02:00:15,280 --> 02:00:16,600
>> And I know

3359
02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:17,800
we had

3360
02:00:17,800 --> 02:00:19,960
um

3361
02:00:19,960 --> 02:00:22,320
Republic does our recycling, but they do

3362
02:00:22,320 --> 02:00:23,920
garbage for other communities that go to

3363
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:25,440
the landfill. So they saw that color

3364
02:00:25,440 --> 02:00:26,880
truck and say, you know, they're just

3365
02:00:26,880 --> 02:00:28,480
dumping it the landfill, they're not

3366
02:00:28,480 --> 02:00:30,360
recycling it, but that was a different

3367
02:00:30,360 --> 02:00:32,040
truck and we followed that. We've had

3368
02:00:32,040 --> 02:00:34,400
them track it so that we can

3369
02:00:34,400 --> 02:00:36,040
answer those questions or the those

3370
02:00:36,040 --> 02:00:37,840
complaints that come, but pretty we're

3371
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:40,640
confident that it it does recycle, but

3372
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:42,320
you're right, some of it does become

3373
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:43,480
spoiled.

3374
02:00:43,480 --> 02:00:44,560
I don't think it comes back to our

3375
02:00:44,560 --> 02:00:46,200
landfill because they take it to a

3376
02:00:46,200 --> 02:00:48,160
different facility. And if it's spoiled

3377
02:00:48,160 --> 02:00:49,880
they take it to the closest landfill.

3378
02:00:49,880 --> 02:00:51,320
>> Yeah.

3379
02:00:51,320 --> 02:00:53,600
So I'm Yeah, I don't think much of it's

3380
02:00:53,600 --> 02:00:55,720
coming to our landfill, but if it did

3381
02:00:55,720 --> 02:00:57,120
we'd charge them for it.

3382
02:00:57,120 --> 02:00:58,520
>> Mhm.

3383
02:00:58,520 --> 02:00:59,960
>> So. [clears throat]

3384
02:00:59,960 --> 02:01:00,880
Yeah.

3385
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:02,600
All right.

3386
02:01:02,600 --> 02:01:04,480
We still in the public

3387
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:06,240
>> Oh, yeah, we need to close it.

3388
02:01:06,240 --> 02:01:08,120
I move that we close the public hearing

3389
02:01:08,120 --> 02:01:09,320
on the fee schedule update.

3390
02:01:09,320 --> 02:01:10,080
>> I have a motion.

3391
02:01:10,080 --> 02:01:10,800
>> Second.

3392
02:01:10,800 --> 02:01:12,800
by Council member Rowley.

3393
02:01:12,800 --> 02:01:13,760
Council member Smith.

3394
02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:14,600
>> Yes.

3395
02:01:14,600 --> 02:01:15,280
>> Council member Hewlett.

3396
02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:16,040
>> Yes.

3397
02:01:16,040 --> 02:01:17,000
>> Council member Rowley.

3398
02:01:17,000 --> 02:01:17,560
>> Yes.

3399
02:01:17,560 --> 02:01:19,480
>> Council member Proscard. Yes. Council

3400
02:01:19,480 --> 02:01:20,520
member Moss.

3401
02:01:20,520 --> 02:01:21,400
>> Yes.

3402
02:01:21,400 --> 02:01:23,040
>> Public hearing is closed. Any further

3403
02:01:23,040 --> 02:01:24,520
discussion Council?

3404
02:01:24,520 --> 02:01:25,840
>> No.

3405
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:28,440
>> Then I would entertain a motion.

3406
02:01:28,440 --> 02:01:30,840
>> I move that we approve the fee schedule

3407
02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:32,400
update as presented.

3408
02:01:32,400 --> 02:01:33,680
>> I second.

3409
02:01:33,680 --> 02:01:35,040
>> Motion and a second. Any further

3410
02:01:35,040 --> 02:01:36,560
discussion?

3411
02:01:36,560 --> 02:01:38,600
Council member Moss.

3412
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:40,640
Council member Proscard. Yes. Council

3413
02:01:40,640 --> 02:01:41,400
member Rowley.

3414
02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:42,400
>> Yes.

3415
02:01:42,400 --> 02:01:43,320
>> Council member Hewlett.

3416
02:01:43,320 --> 02:01:44,000
>> Yes.

3417
02:01:44,000 --> 02:01:45,120
>> And Council member Smith.

3418
02:01:45,120 --> 02:01:45,840
>> Yes.

3419
02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:47,840
>> Motion carries.

3420
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:50,760
Item number seven.

3421
02:01:50,760 --> 02:01:51,720
Melanie,

3422
02:01:51,720 --> 02:01:55,110
you're up.

3423
02:01:55,120 --> 02:01:57,800
Resolution of employer pick up of public

3424
02:01:57,800 --> 02:02:00,080
safety and firefighter employee

3425
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:02,520
retirement contributions with Utah State

3426
02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:03,880
Retirement.

3427
02:02:03,880 --> 02:02:06,080
>> Yes, thank you. Um this is basically

3428
02:02:06,080 --> 02:02:09,160
just a administrative action. Um we just

3429
02:02:09,160 --> 02:02:11,080
approved in the budget this pick up was

3430
02:02:11,080 --> 02:02:14,240
included in the budget and so this

3431
02:02:14,240 --> 02:02:16,640
resolution um Utah Retirement Assistant

3432
02:02:16,640 --> 02:02:19,080
just requires us to send a copy of the

3433
02:02:19,080 --> 02:02:21,080
resolution and the signed form by the

3434
02:02:21,080 --> 02:02:23,400
city authorizing the city to be able to

3435
02:02:23,400 --> 02:02:25,320
continue to pick up and this is um for

3436
02:02:25,320 --> 02:02:27,960
public safety and um as indicated we've

3437
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:31,440
been doing this since 2020. Um and it's

3438
02:02:31,440 --> 02:02:34,400
I think it's a viable um

3439
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:36,920
program for our officers um and it

3440
02:02:36,920 --> 02:02:38,960
really does help with um retention and

3441
02:02:38,960 --> 02:02:41,120
recruitment um especially

3442
02:02:41,120 --> 02:02:42,840
these um officers that are on the tier

3443
02:02:42,840 --> 02:02:45,240
two plans, so.

3444
02:02:45,240 --> 02:02:46,760
Are there any other questions?

3445
02:02:46,760 --> 02:02:49,110
>> No.

3446
02:02:49,120 --> 02:02:50,680
» I agree with you. It's very important

3447
02:02:50,680 --> 02:02:53,200
for our fire and police.

3448
02:02:53,200 --> 02:02:53,800
>> Yeah.

3449
02:02:53,800 --> 02:02:55,400
>> This was something that I agreed with

3450
02:02:55,400 --> 02:02:57,440
for sure, so.

3451
02:02:57,440 --> 02:02:59,040
>> Then I would entertain a motion.

3452
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:00,600
>> I make a motion that we approve the

3453
02:03:00,600 --> 02:03:02,800
employer pick up of the public safety

3454
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:04,320
and firefighter employee retirement

3455
02:03:04,320 --> 02:03:06,040
contributions with the Utah State

3456
02:03:06,040 --> 02:03:07,080
Retirement System.

3457
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:08,080
>> I'll second.

3458
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:09,960
>> Motion and a second. Council member

3459
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:10,440
Smith?

3460
02:03:10,440 --> 02:03:11,240
>> Yes.

3461
02:03:11,240 --> 02:03:12,240
>> Council member Hughley?

3462
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:12,720
>> Yes.

3463
02:03:12,720 --> 02:03:13,640
>> Council member Rowley?

3464
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:14,200
>> Yes.

3465
02:03:14,200 --> 02:03:16,360
>> Council member Probst Guard? Yes.

3466
02:03:16,360 --> 02:03:17,360
Council member Moss?

3467
02:03:17,360 --> 02:03:18,240
>> Yes.

3468
02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:20,080
>> Motion carries.

3469
02:03:20,080 --> 02:03:23,080
Hey, now we can go on to some fun stuff.

3470
02:03:23,080 --> 02:03:24,720
Item number eight.

3471
02:03:24,720 --> 02:03:25,600
Resolution

3472
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:26,320
>> already?

3473
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:27,720
>> Yeah.

3474
02:03:27,720 --> 02:03:29,600
Authorizing the city to enter into a

3475
02:03:29,600 --> 02:03:31,520
real estate purchase contract for the

3476
02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:34,080
acquisition of property located at

3477
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:36,760
approximately 1350 North Arrowhead

3478
02:03:36,760 --> 02:03:37,840
Trail.

3479
02:03:37,840 --> 02:03:38,520
Brandon?

3480
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:40,840
>> Yes. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem and

3481
02:03:40,840 --> 02:03:42,080
Council.

3482
02:03:42,080 --> 02:03:44,320
This resolution is asking the Council to

3483
02:03:44,320 --> 02:03:45,920
authorize the Mayor to sign a real

3484
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:48,920
estate purchase agreement contract for

3485
02:03:48,920 --> 02:03:52,200
property that's located at address for

3486
02:03:52,200 --> 02:03:54,720
potential installation of a future power

3487
02:03:54,720 --> 02:03:56,160
substation.

3488
02:03:56,160 --> 02:03:57,800
The way the real estate purchase

3489
02:03:57,800 --> 02:03:59,800
contract is written is there has to be

3490
02:03:59,800 --> 02:04:01,440
some contingencies that are fulfilled

3491
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:02,680
first.

3492
02:04:02,680 --> 02:04:05,520
One of the biggest ones is that

3493
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:07,000
the seller

3494
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:09,880
obtain the land and be annexed into the

3495
02:04:09,880 --> 02:04:11,040
city.

3496
02:04:11,040 --> 02:04:13,440
That purchaser has a

3497
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:14,000
uh

3498
02:04:14,000 --> 02:04:16,440
an application in right now.

3499
02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:18,240
We've been going back and forth quite a

3500
02:04:18,240 --> 02:04:21,520
while on there. Um and believe it's

3501
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:24,000
going to come up on Planning Commission

3502
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:27,360
real soon. However, they have not

3503
02:04:27,360 --> 02:04:29,600
adhered to many of the comments

3504
02:04:29,600 --> 02:04:31,600
from staff, so I believe it's going to

3505
02:04:31,600 --> 02:04:33,480
go to

3506
02:04:33,480 --> 02:04:34,920
Planning Commission with a negative

3507
02:04:34,920 --> 02:04:38,080
recommendation. And so I don't know

3508
02:04:38,080 --> 02:04:40,240
that contingency will be fulfilled, but

3509
02:04:40,240 --> 02:04:42,760
we wanted to negotiate in good faith

3510
02:04:42,760 --> 02:04:44,520
that um

3511
02:04:44,520 --> 02:04:46,800
we are we we want we are interested in

3512
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:48,560
purchasing that land.

3513
02:04:48,560 --> 02:04:52,160
Um but there's a contingency that's

3514
02:04:52,160 --> 02:04:53,720
partly in their control.

3515
02:04:53,720 --> 02:04:56,520
>> Isn't there a contingency on another one

3516
02:04:56,520 --> 02:04:59,640
being annexed also?

3517
02:04:59,640 --> 02:05:01,000
The

3518
02:05:01,000 --> 02:05:02,920
>> So, the overall

3519
02:05:02,920 --> 02:05:03,960
um

3520
02:05:03,960 --> 02:05:05,240
the overall

3521
02:05:05,240 --> 02:05:06,040
>> project

3522
02:05:06,040 --> 02:05:08,600
>> wants to be annexed is what the the

3523
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:12,440
>> So, the so the Minneola Creek is this

3524
02:05:12,440 --> 02:05:13,960
and then there's there's another one,

3525
02:05:13,960 --> 02:05:14,560
right?

3526
02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:16,160
>> piece of property is actually in the

3527
02:05:16,160 --> 02:05:17,120
city already.

3528
02:05:17,120 --> 02:05:17,880
>> Yeah, okay.

3529
02:05:17,880 --> 02:05:19,880
>> There's a contingency that another

3530
02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:21,560
>> That's what I'm saying. Like it's

3531
02:05:21,560 --> 02:05:22,280
separate.

3532
02:05:22,280 --> 02:05:23,000
>> the contingent

3533
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:24,120
>> So, yeah. Um

3534
02:05:24,120 --> 02:05:26,360
>> on us annexing them into the city.

3535
02:05:26,360 --> 02:05:27,280
>> that's

3536
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:29,400
>> Did they did they draft up the purchase

3537
02:05:29,400 --> 02:05:31,960
contract and the addendum or did we?

3538
02:05:31,960 --> 02:05:34,720
>> We both did. Uh we both contributed to

3539
02:05:34,720 --> 02:05:35,040
it.

3540
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:37,640
>> So, there's the that off-ramp and then

3541
02:05:37,640 --> 02:05:40,720
there's a off-ramp for if it doesn't

3542
02:05:40,720 --> 02:05:44,160
um if it doesn't settle by August 22nd,

3543
02:05:44,160 --> 02:05:46,240
I believe was the date, then it expires

3544
02:05:46,240 --> 02:05:47,040
as well.

3545
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:49,000
>> I think another concern was the

3546
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:50,680
>> Oh, yeah. And if there's a there's a

3547
02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:52,400
study if there's wetlands and it's not

3548
02:05:52,400 --> 02:05:54,280
usable, we're not interested.

3549
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:56,520
>> So, my concern was

3550
02:05:56,520 --> 02:05:58,800
um I had I don't know if Dave and Robert

3551
02:05:58,800 --> 02:06:01,080
you got my email on Friday, but I'd sent

3552
02:06:01,080 --> 02:06:03,720
an email asking if we had any idea of

3553
02:06:03,720 --> 02:06:06,320
what that study was going to cost. And

3554
02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:08,640
then I would questioned if the

3555
02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:11,960
annexation was different land.

3556
02:06:11,960 --> 02:06:13,040
Um

3557
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:14,760
but my other question is

3558
02:06:14,760 --> 02:06:17,200
and maybe this is super normal for

3559
02:06:17,200 --> 02:06:19,000
cities because

3560
02:06:19,000 --> 02:06:21,400
I get we're not going out for a loan.

3561
02:06:21,400 --> 02:06:23,720
Is it normal that it wasn't contingent

3562
02:06:23,720 --> 02:06:25,440
for the land to appraise for the

3563
02:06:25,440 --> 02:06:28,790
purchase price?

3564
02:06:28,800 --> 02:06:30,720
I believe it was not contingent on

3565
02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:32,040
appraisal.

3566
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:33,840
>> Checked. Uh and the other question,

3567
02:06:33,840 --> 02:06:35,520
Brandon, are we okay to discuss this or

3568
02:06:35,520 --> 02:06:37,400
we need to do have a closed session

3569
02:06:37,400 --> 02:06:39,760
after meeting discuss the details of the

3570
02:06:39,760 --> 02:06:41,520
web C?

3571
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:43,000
>> Um I

3572
02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:44,400
>> It has to be approved in the public

3573
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:44,760
meeting.

3574
02:06:44,760 --> 02:06:45,240
>> Yeah.

3575
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:46,280
>> Okay.

3576
02:06:46,280 --> 02:06:48,080
So, I just didn't know if that was

3577
02:06:48,080 --> 02:06:50,200
normal cuz I know it was

3578
02:06:50,200 --> 02:06:52,840
contingent on due diligence.

3579
02:06:52,840 --> 02:06:54,480
And it was

3580
02:06:54,480 --> 02:06:58,640
it didn't the funding, but then um I'm

3581
02:06:58,640 --> 02:07:01,480
90% sure it said it was not contingent

3582
02:07:01,480 --> 02:07:02,600
on it appraising.

3583
02:07:02,600 --> 02:07:05,880
>> Right. Yep, light them up. 8.2 is not

3584
02:07:05,880 --> 02:07:06,160
contingent.

3585
02:07:06,160 --> 02:07:09,160
>> my thing is I would never want to buy

3586
02:07:09,160 --> 02:07:12,640
something that the value's not there,

3587
02:07:12,640 --> 02:07:14,320
but that's just So, I didn't know if

3588
02:07:14,320 --> 02:07:16,040
that was normal for cities.

3589
02:07:16,040 --> 02:07:18,440
>> I I'm putting a lot of trust in Shawn.

3590
02:07:18,440 --> 02:07:20,760
He's one negotiating land deals.

3591
02:07:20,760 --> 02:07:22,080
>> Shawn's just

3592
02:07:22,080 --> 02:07:23,680
>> over there bouncing off the wall.

3593
02:07:23,680 --> 02:07:25,760
>> Constantly knowing what they're

3594
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:26,880
going for.

3595
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:28,800
>> we're putting together the contract. So,

3596
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:31,360
that's I I guess like also this.

3597
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:31,960
>> yeah, we both are.

3598
02:07:31,960 --> 02:07:33,640
>> Okay. I

3599
02:07:33,640 --> 02:07:37,080
>> So, the way I look at that is if we're comfortable with the purchase

3600
02:07:37,080 --> 02:07:38,680
price, it doesn't really matter what the

3601
02:07:38,680 --> 02:07:40,160
appraisal is if we're comfortable with

3602
02:07:40,160 --> 02:07:41,600
the purchase price.

3603
02:07:41,600 --> 02:07:42,320
>> That's the important

3604
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:43,960
>> Well, and and what we're using with the

3605
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:47,360
property would detrimentally devalue an

3606
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:49,280
appraisal because it's going to be for a

3607
02:07:49,280 --> 02:07:50,080
substation.

3608
02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:50,560
>> Yep.

3609
02:07:50,560 --> 02:07:51,040
>> So.

3610
02:07:51,040 --> 02:07:53,440
>> Well, I feel like the land also if it

3611
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:55,160
comes back like

3612
02:07:55,160 --> 02:07:57,760
unusable for the developer would also

3613
02:07:57,760 --> 02:08:00,280
then for the landowner Yes. So, I guess

3614
02:08:00,280 --> 02:08:00,640
that would be my

3615
02:08:00,640 --> 02:08:02,000
>> And and it does sound like the the

3616
02:08:02,000 --> 02:08:03,800
wetlands is is part of one of our

3617
02:08:03,800 --> 02:08:05,040
off-ramps, right?

3618
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:06,680
>> Do we know how much that study is

3619
02:08:06,680 --> 02:08:09,720
though? I'm just curious.

3620
02:08:09,720 --> 02:08:10,360
>> Are we doing it?

3621
02:08:10,360 --> 02:08:11,560
>> They're the ones that are doing

3622
02:08:11,560 --> 02:08:14,440
>> Oh, I thought it said that the buyer

3623
02:08:14,440 --> 02:08:16,240
>> Or maybe we we would do it.

3624
02:08:16,240 --> 02:08:18,480
>> Yeah. We do that.

3625
02:08:18,480 --> 02:08:19,640
>> Minimal.

3626
02:08:19,640 --> 02:08:21,040
>> That's minimal because it's through the

3627
02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:22,680
Corps of Engineers.

3628
02:08:22,680 --> 02:08:23,160
>> Okay.

3629
02:08:23,160 --> 02:08:23,680
>> That would

3630
02:08:23,680 --> 02:08:26,760
>> But that's just stuff that like for me,

3631
02:08:26,760 --> 02:08:27,640
I

3632
02:08:27,640 --> 02:08:28,560
>> Good question.

3633
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:30,240
>> I would like to know cuz when you get to

3634
02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:31,640
environmental stuff

3635
02:08:31,640 --> 02:08:34,160
>> Yeah, I just went and looked for it. I'm sorry

3636
02:08:34,160 --> 02:08:34,960
I didn't respond.

3637
02:08:34,960 --> 02:08:37,299
>> you guys were off. I get it, but

3638
02:08:37,299 --> 02:08:37,800
>> [laughter]

3639
02:08:37,800 --> 02:08:39,760
>> it's okay. That's why I'm asking now,

3640
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:40,800
but

3641
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:42,080
um

3642
02:08:42,080 --> 02:08:44,200
I personally don't feel okay with the

3643
02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:46,880
annexation clause. Um

3644
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:48,280
but that's I think that they should be

3645
02:08:48,280 --> 02:08:49,960
able they should have to

3646
02:08:49,960 --> 02:08:51,320
go through what everyone else goes

3647
02:08:51,320 --> 02:08:52,200
through, so.

3648
02:08:52,200 --> 02:08:53,400
>> Totally agree.

3649
02:08:53,400 --> 02:08:58,510
>> They will.

3650
02:08:58,520 --> 02:09:00,560
» If we say no, then they're going to like

3651
02:09:00,560 --> 02:09:02,120
well, we don't

3652
02:09:02,120 --> 02:09:02,760
Yeah.

3653
02:09:02,760 --> 02:09:04,400
>> Yeah, that's protecting us cuz Because

3654
02:09:04,400 --> 02:09:05,960
they have to.

3655
02:09:05,960 --> 02:09:07,320
Uh we don't want to buy it if they

3656
02:09:07,320 --> 02:09:09,800
aren't they can't get it to us and

3657
02:09:09,800 --> 02:09:11,080
they're annexed.

3658
02:09:11,080 --> 02:09:13,080
>> No, this is separate land.

3659
02:09:13,080 --> 02:09:14,560
>> Right, but still if they aren't if they

3660
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:16,800
don't annex that other property, they

3661
02:09:16,800 --> 02:09:18,200
>> Yeah, but they're still under contract

3662
02:09:18,200 --> 02:09:19,440
for this land, right? They don't

3663
02:09:19,440 --> 02:09:21,040
technically own this land. It's under

3664
02:09:21,040 --> 02:09:22,600
contract.

3665
02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:24,760
It's a They're writing a contract for

3666
02:09:24,760 --> 02:09:26,760
land that they are under contract on.

3667
02:09:26,760 --> 02:09:27,520
>> That's correct.

3668
02:09:27,520 --> 02:09:29,480
>> So, if they

3669
02:09:29,480 --> 02:09:30,760
That's what I'm saying. Like they don't

3670
02:09:30,760 --> 02:09:31,760
even know if they're going to buy it

3671
02:09:31,760 --> 02:09:32,600
yet. It's there's

3672
02:09:32,600 --> 02:09:34,440
>> There again, I think the good word is

3673
02:09:34,440 --> 02:09:36,600
we're doing this in good faith.

3674
02:09:36,600 --> 02:09:38,280
>> Okay. Well,

3675
02:09:38,280 --> 02:09:39,480
>> what transpires?

3676
02:09:39,480 --> 02:09:41,080
>> I've vo- I've vocalized mine.

3677
02:09:41,080 --> 02:09:42,600
>> And that's why Personally, I think it's

3678
02:09:42,600 --> 02:09:43,440
DOA.

3679
02:09:43,440 --> 02:09:44,760
>> That that's Yeah, the

3680
02:09:44,760 --> 02:09:46,920
>> But we're doing our due diligence in

3681
02:09:46,920 --> 02:09:48,240
>> council meeting in May when I was saying

3682
02:09:48,240 --> 02:09:49,400
I'm not optimistic about it happening.

3683
02:09:49,400 --> 02:09:51,080
>> not optimistic about it happening.

3684
02:09:51,080 --> 02:09:54,670
>> Right.

3685
02:09:54,680 --> 02:09:56,640
» Yeah, and and you know, this this this

3686
02:09:56,640 --> 02:09:58,280
deal is a little bit unique. I did I

3687
02:09:58,280 --> 02:10:00,600
talked to Shawn about this one

3688
02:10:00,600 --> 02:10:03,440
in depth. And yeah, yeah, this it's

3689
02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:04,480
unique. We want to get our foot in the

3690
02:10:04,480 --> 02:10:06,680
door, show our interest, but I do see

3691
02:10:06,680 --> 02:10:08,120
too. I think

3692
02:10:08,120 --> 02:10:10,040
we need we need to be real careful about

3693
02:10:10,040 --> 02:10:11,960
what what contingencies we place on the

3694
02:10:11,960 --> 02:10:13,280
addendums. I don't want there to ever be

3695
02:10:13,280 --> 02:10:15,520
any quid pro quo of saying we will do

3696
02:10:15,520 --> 02:10:17,720
this if you will do this, especially

3697
02:10:17,720 --> 02:10:20,640
regarding annexation. And so I I just

3698
02:10:20,640 --> 02:10:22,800
think that could be dangerous dangerous

3699
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:24,840
language for both parties. We don't want

3700
02:10:24,840 --> 02:10:26,560
to string each other along and and say

3701
02:10:26,560 --> 02:10:28,840
we'll do this if you do that. So, that's

3702
02:10:28,840 --> 02:10:29,920
just something I think we should watch

3703
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:30,720
in the future.

3704
02:10:30,720 --> 02:10:32,480
>> And I'm supportive of us getting a new

3705
02:10:32,480 --> 02:10:34,600
substation. I am.

3706
02:10:34,600 --> 02:10:36,520
I just I don't

3707
02:10:36,520 --> 02:10:40,000
not going to sell my soul to the

3708
02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:41,560
Yeah.

3709
02:10:41,560 --> 02:10:42,360
>> Yep.

3710
02:10:42,360 --> 02:10:45,000
I I I think I think we're just trying

3711
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:48,080
we're we're if if we meet with the staff

3712
02:10:48,080 --> 02:10:53,560
with the applicant and they meet some of the things we feel

3713
02:10:53,560 --> 02:10:55,120
like, you know, part of that is putting

3714
02:10:55,120 --> 02:10:57,280
a sewer plant to get some of our

3715
02:10:57,280 --> 02:10:58,640
or a lift

3716
02:10:58,640 --> 02:11:00,720
Yeah, lift station so that we get

3717
02:11:00,720 --> 02:11:03,080
some of our customers back from Salem.

3718
02:11:03,080 --> 02:11:04,240
That's a good thing. I think that's what

3719
02:11:04,240 --> 02:11:05,760
the council wants.

3720
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:07,280
But

3721
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:10,880
we're we're trying to make it work. If it works, then

3722
02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:12,320
we'll need that substation sooner than

3723
02:11:12,320 --> 02:11:14,760
later. If it doesn't work,

3724
02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:16,400
then there's an off-ramp for us to not

3725
02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:18,000
need to purchase it

3726
02:11:18,000 --> 02:11:22,880
or them to sell it to us. And they like Lacy said, they're under contract.

3727
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:24,520
And if if if they don't get annexed,

3728
02:11:24,520 --> 02:11:26,160
then they probably won't purchase that

3729
02:11:26,160 --> 02:11:27,480
property.

3730
02:11:27,480 --> 02:11:29,000
And then we still need to look for some

3731
02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:30,600
property out there

3732
02:11:30,600 --> 02:11:35,000
eventually for a for a substation, but the

3733
02:11:35,000 --> 02:11:38,120
it it it's not as critical time-wise.

3734
02:11:38,120 --> 02:11:41,200
But we're we're doing what we can to

3735
02:11:41,200 --> 02:11:43,520
bring something to the council that

3736
02:11:43,520 --> 02:11:45,360
could work for our community and and

3737
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:47,520
help with a lift station in that whole

3738
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:49,560
area out there. So, I mean, we're

3739
02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:51,760
hopeful that things can happen, but

3740
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:53,720
those contingencies that are something

3741
02:11:53,720 --> 02:11:55,720
they wanted in there and frankly, we

3742
02:11:55,720 --> 02:12:00,000
wanted in there. And if it doesn't get annexed, then

3743
02:12:00,000 --> 02:12:01,320
we may not need to buy that property.

3744
02:12:01,320 --> 02:12:02,880
That's right.

3745
02:12:02,880 --> 02:12:04,080
>> I guess go

3746
02:12:04,080 --> 02:12:05,760
>> Going along with what Ryan said, just so

3747
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:07,760
everybody knows that we aren't going to

3748
02:12:07,760 --> 02:12:09,560
approve their annexation so we can get

3749
02:12:09,560 --> 02:12:11,560
this property.

3750
02:12:11,560 --> 02:12:12,800
>> That's the bottom line is we're not

3751
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:15,400
going to be held over over a barrel.

3752
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:18,880
>> I just me to me the wording made it seem

3753
02:12:18,880 --> 02:12:21,160
like

3754
02:12:21,160 --> 02:12:23,560
and maybe maybe I don't understand the

3755
02:12:23,560 --> 02:12:25,680
wording I guess, but to me the wording

3756
02:12:25,680 --> 02:12:28,480
100% made it seem like

3757
02:12:28,480 --> 02:12:30,600
it's contingent

3758
02:12:30,600 --> 02:12:31,400
on

3759
02:12:31,400 --> 02:12:32,080
>> us approving

3760
02:12:32,080 --> 02:12:34,400
>> on us approving that. So in a sense,

3761
02:12:34,400 --> 02:12:36,360
that is saying you want this land, well

3762
02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:39,400
I've got something that I want too and

3763
02:12:39,400 --> 02:12:40,360
that's all it's just

3764
02:12:40,360 --> 02:12:41,560
>> I should have explained that better.

3765
02:12:41,560 --> 02:12:43,160
Yeah, because that Minne Creek

3766
02:12:43,160 --> 02:12:45,400
annexation

3767
02:12:45,400 --> 02:12:47,720
I'm not optimistic about it.

3768
02:12:47,720 --> 02:12:48,000
>> I just

3769
02:12:48,000 --> 02:12:50,400
>> happening and so I saw it as an

3770
02:12:50,400 --> 02:12:52,600
guaranteed off ramp for the city not to

3771
02:12:52,600 --> 02:12:54,200
have to

3772
02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:58,040
purchase it if it if it doesn't go through and it

3773
02:12:58,040 --> 02:12:58,960
looks like it's not.

3774
02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:00,600
>> If they want to take that out.

3775
02:13:00,600 --> 02:13:02,560
>> I would just also caution to say that's

3776
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:04,040
a separate application that will be

3777
02:13:04,040 --> 02:13:06,200
reviewed according to the

3778
02:13:06,200 --> 02:13:07,080
>> I don't even know what you're talking

3779
02:13:07,080 --> 02:13:08,080
about.

3780
02:13:08,080 --> 02:13:08,800
Thank you.

3781
02:13:08,800 --> 02:13:10,600
>> I wouldn't comment about whether or not

3782
02:13:10,600 --> 02:13:11,640
it's going to happen.

3783
02:13:11,640 --> 02:13:12,320
>> on that. Yep.

3784
02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:13,240
>> No.

3785
02:13:13,240 --> 02:13:15,600
>> Okay. Any further discussion? I guess if

3786
02:13:15,600 --> 02:13:17,120
you wanted to add if we wanted to add

3787
02:13:17,120 --> 02:13:19,240
something to that and go back and give a

3788
02:13:19,240 --> 02:13:21,640
addendum to this as saying that this has

3789
02:13:21,640 --> 02:13:24,000
nothing to do with the annexation and

3790
02:13:24,000 --> 02:13:26,040
approval from the city or something like

3791
02:13:26,040 --> 02:13:27,520
that.

3792
02:13:27,520 --> 02:13:28,760
>> Here's another thing.

3793
02:13:28,760 --> 02:13:29,520
>> We can do that.

3794
02:13:29,520 --> 02:13:31,120
>> What about

3795
02:13:31,120 --> 02:13:32,520
I think in the budget we have up to

3796
02:13:32,520 --> 02:13:35,280
$300,000

3797
02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:36,920
for land.

3798
02:13:36,920 --> 02:13:40,000
Is that accurate Sean?

3799
02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:41,480
I think so.

3800
02:13:41,480 --> 02:13:44,120
I mean again like there's always the

3801
02:13:44,120 --> 02:13:46,000
thing of

3802
02:13:46,000 --> 02:13:48,880
instead of that, if it's really the only

3803
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:51,200
land out there

3804
02:13:51,200 --> 02:13:53,320
I mean I'd be more

3805
02:13:53,320 --> 02:13:54,760
if that ever happened like that's just

3806
02:13:54,760 --> 02:13:56,400
another idea if that had to happen I

3807
02:13:56,400 --> 02:13:57,680
guess or

3808
02:13:57,680 --> 02:13:59,280
if there's other land, but you're the

3809
02:13:59,280 --> 02:14:00,680
one that's shopping.

3810
02:14:00,680 --> 02:14:03,750
Not me.

3811
02:14:03,760 --> 02:14:08,470
Okay.

3812
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:09,520
» All right council, any further

3813
02:14:09,520 --> 02:14:11,000
discussion?

3814
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:12,600
Then I would entertain a motion.

3815
02:14:12,600 --> 02:14:14,320
>> I make a motion that we authorize the

3816
02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:15,920
city to enter into a real estate

3817
02:14:15,920 --> 02:14:17,480
purchase contract for the acquisition of

3818
02:14:17,480 --> 02:14:19,560
the property located at approximately

3819
02:14:19,560 --> 02:14:22,360
1350 North Arrowhead Trail, Payson,

3820
02:14:22,360 --> 02:14:23,080
Utah.

3821
02:14:23,080 --> 02:14:25,280
>> I'll second.

3822
02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:27,200
>> I got a motion and a second. Council

3823
02:14:27,200 --> 02:14:28,280
member Moss.

3824
02:14:28,280 --> 02:14:28,920
>> Yes.

3825
02:14:28,920 --> 02:14:31,120
>> Council member Probst guard. Yes.

3826
02:14:31,120 --> 02:14:32,280
Council member Rowley.

3827
02:14:32,280 --> 02:14:33,160
>> Yes.

3828
02:14:33,160 --> 02:14:34,080
>> Council member Hewlett.

3829
02:14:34,080 --> 02:14:34,680
>> Yes.

3830
02:14:34,680 --> 02:14:36,560
>> Council member Smith.

3831
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:38,280
>> No.

3832
02:14:38,280 --> 02:14:41,680
>> Okay, motion carries. Item number nine.

3833
02:14:41,680 --> 02:14:43,800
Resolution approving an agreement for

3834
02:14:43,800 --> 02:14:47,600
the purchase uh and and sell of power

3835
02:14:47,600 --> 02:14:49,880
between Payson City and the Strawberry

3836
02:14:49,880 --> 02:14:52,800
Water Users Association and authorizing

3837
02:14:52,800 --> 02:14:55,680
the mayor to execute the agreement.

3838
02:14:55,680 --> 02:14:58,400
Brandon or Shawn or whoever.

3839
02:14:58,400 --> 02:14:59,160
>> We're tag teaming.

3840
02:14:59,160 --> 02:15:00,640
>> Okay, tag team us.

3841
02:15:00,640 --> 02:15:02,600
>> Here's the expert right here, but Mayor

3842
02:15:02,600 --> 02:15:05,040
Council, we um

3843
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:09,200
Strawberry Water Users Association um

3844
02:15:09,200 --> 02:15:11,680
owns or through the federal government,

3845
02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:13,920
they have the hydro generating plant in

3846
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:15,720
Spanish Fork Canyon

3847
02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:17,760
and the one in Payson Canyon.

3848
02:15:17,760 --> 02:15:21,200
And they've been under contract uh

3849
02:15:21,200 --> 02:15:23,840
with another entity to purchase all that

3850
02:15:23,840 --> 02:15:25,560
uh

3851
02:15:25,560 --> 02:15:27,480
that power that comes from there.

3852
02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:29,840
Uh that contract ends July 1st. We've

3853
02:15:29,840 --> 02:15:31,880
been working with them for quite some

3854
02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:34,000
time. They They put out

3855
02:15:34,000 --> 02:15:35,240
um

3856
02:15:35,240 --> 02:15:38,760
bids or or letters of interest and and

3857
02:15:38,760 --> 02:15:40,680
we we are interested.

3858
02:15:40,680 --> 02:15:42,480
Uh it's another

3859
02:15:42,480 --> 02:15:47,280
type of power for our portfolio. Uh you know Shawn by now. We We've come to

3860
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:50,680
you with solar and wind and

3861
02:15:50,680 --> 02:15:51,920
different things like that, but this is

3862
02:15:51,920 --> 02:15:54,680
part of our our portfolio.

3863
02:15:54,680 --> 02:15:56,360
And uh

3864
02:15:56,360 --> 02:15:57,840
through the due diligence process with

3865
02:15:57,840 --> 02:16:00,160
Strawberry, they they wanted to work

3866
02:16:00,160 --> 02:16:01,360
with us.

3867
02:16:01,360 --> 02:16:03,440
Uh we prepared this contract. It's been

3868
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:04,440
through a

3869
02:16:04,440 --> 02:16:06,520
through Brandon and their attorney and a

3870
02:16:06,520 --> 02:16:08,920
lot of iterations, there was we wanted a

3871
02:16:08,920 --> 02:16:10,360
10-year

3872
02:16:10,360 --> 02:16:11,640
um

3873
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:13,160
contract

3874
02:16:13,160 --> 02:16:15,840
and uh there was a little hitch there

3875
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:20,200
because Strawberry's in the middle of negotiating with Central Utah Water

3876
02:16:20,200 --> 02:16:22,200
to become a Bonneville unit

3877
02:16:22,200 --> 02:16:23,440
and there was some

3878
02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:27,640
there's some uncertainty that if they become a Bonneville unit in year

3879
02:16:27,640 --> 02:16:29,040
two,

3880
02:16:29,040 --> 02:16:30,600
you know, what would that do to the

3881
02:16:30,600 --> 02:16:32,800
contract? And you know, we talked to

3882
02:16:32,800 --> 02:16:35,000
Central Utah, they they want to give us

3883
02:16:35,000 --> 02:16:36,519
whatever

3884
02:16:36,519 --> 02:16:37,360
good

3885
02:16:37,360 --> 02:16:39,240
fuzzy feeling that they can give us that

3886
02:16:39,240 --> 02:16:41,000
they would keep working with us, but so

3887
02:16:41,000 --> 02:16:43,400
we we dropped it to a 5-year

3888
02:16:43,400 --> 02:16:45,160
we we we cut down the price we were

3889
02:16:45,160 --> 02:16:46,559
willing to pay for it because it's five

3890
02:16:46,559 --> 02:16:48,080
instead of 10.

3891
02:16:48,080 --> 02:16:49,719
And but hopefully we can continue to

3892
02:16:49,719 --> 02:16:52,200
work with that and uh

3893
02:16:52,200 --> 02:16:53,480
and I can turn it over to Shawn for more

3894
02:16:53,480 --> 02:16:54,760
of the details if you have questions,

3895
02:16:54,760 --> 02:16:57,200
but that that's kind of what we're

3896
02:16:57,200 --> 02:16:59,920
asking the the council to approve is is

3897
02:16:59,920 --> 02:17:02,320
this contract for 5 years to to purchase

3898
02:17:02,320 --> 02:17:04,040
that power, the hydropower from

3899
02:17:04,040 --> 02:17:07,000
Strawberry Water Users.

3900
02:17:07,000 --> 02:17:09,679
>> Shawn, anything you want to add?

3901
02:17:09,679 --> 02:17:14,830
>> Um not not too much. Uh

3902
02:17:14,840 --> 02:17:17,760
the Strawberry water power has been used

3903
02:17:17,760 --> 02:17:20,400
a long time by themselves and then

3904
02:17:20,400 --> 02:17:24,360
with um another um entity that as they

3905
02:17:24,360 --> 02:17:25,960
broke away, they always kind of stayed

3906
02:17:25,960 --> 02:17:28,400
together and so they put it out to bid

3907
02:17:28,400 --> 02:17:29,800
like they was saying. I think there was

3908
02:17:29,800 --> 02:17:31,160
a lot of bidders

3909
02:17:31,160 --> 02:17:34,440
and we got it. I did some research. Um

3910
02:17:34,440 --> 02:17:36,480
the transmission is is treated

3911
02:17:36,480 --> 02:17:38,719
differently because it's within the

3912
02:17:38,719 --> 02:17:40,599
SUVPS system

3913
02:17:40,599 --> 02:17:43,880
and so I was able to bid a little higher

3914
02:17:43,880 --> 02:17:46,440
than someone that was from outside of

3915
02:17:46,440 --> 02:17:48,360
that system because you'd have to pay

3916
02:17:48,360 --> 02:17:50,840
about $11 more per megawatt hour.

3917
02:17:50,840 --> 02:17:54,519
And so that that helped us um

3918
02:17:54,519 --> 02:17:56,880
attain it. It's a uh a little bit this

3919
02:17:56,880 --> 02:17:58,519
year's kind of bad, but it looks like

3920
02:17:58,519 --> 02:18:00,679
it'll be about 8% of our power under

3921
02:18:00,679 --> 02:18:01,800
good years

3922
02:18:01,800 --> 02:18:03,960
um overall and it would come mostly in

3923
02:18:03,960 --> 02:18:07,400
the spring and early summer into the

3924
02:18:07,400 --> 02:18:08,719
summer.

3925
02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:09,840
Um

3926
02:18:09,840 --> 02:18:11,080
And

3927
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:12,200
I like it. It's just another

3928
02:18:12,200 --> 02:18:14,320
diversification tool. It's just

3929
02:18:14,320 --> 02:18:15,599
something else that fits in our

3930
02:18:15,599 --> 02:18:19,360
portfolio. And anytime that we can buy

3931
02:18:19,360 --> 02:18:22,200
something renewable that comes under our

3932
02:18:22,200 --> 02:18:23,800
wholesale price,

3933
02:18:23,800 --> 02:18:26,160
I just want to pull the trigger because

3934
02:18:26,160 --> 02:18:28,360
we don't know what the political climate

3935
02:18:28,360 --> 02:18:30,840
will be like in a few years. So, we did

3936
02:18:30,840 --> 02:18:34,240
a lot of this where I used to work. Um

3937
02:18:34,240 --> 02:18:36,440
Uh you know, when you'd get these 8-year

3938
02:18:36,440 --> 02:18:38,280
stints of certain presidents, and then

3939
02:18:38,280 --> 02:18:39,480
all of a sudden all the rules would

3940
02:18:39,480 --> 02:18:42,400
change. And so, we divested of coal

3941
02:18:42,400 --> 02:18:44,480
where I used to work pretty early,

3942
02:18:44,480 --> 02:18:46,360
like 2010, where a lot of people tried

3943
02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:47,920
to hold on and, you know, switch to

3944
02:18:47,920 --> 02:18:50,120
natural gas mostly. So, it became like

3945
02:18:50,120 --> 02:18:51,480
the bridge

3946
02:18:51,480 --> 02:18:53,719
to prop possibly nuclear in the future,

3947
02:18:53,719 --> 02:18:55,320
but um

3948
02:18:55,320 --> 02:18:57,840
it you usually there's energy credits

3949
02:18:57,840 --> 02:19:00,080
that trade. There is energy I mean, each

3950
02:19:00,080 --> 02:19:04,240
kind of um energy has its own value, and

3951
02:19:04,240 --> 02:19:06,240
you can trade and sell those credits as

3952
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:08,880
well. So, um just looked attractive to

3953
02:19:08,880 --> 02:19:11,440
me. Um I've always I really like hydro.

3954
02:19:11,440 --> 02:19:13,920
We had four of them in the last town I

3955
02:19:13,920 --> 02:19:16,679
worked in. And And the crisp is falling

3956
02:19:16,679 --> 02:19:18,599
off bad as well, which is the Colorado

3957
02:19:18,599 --> 02:19:20,080
River Storage Project. You all hear

3958
02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:22,040
about Lake Powell and Flaming Gorge and

3959
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:24,280
all that. That's been a bummer cuz a lot

3960
02:19:24,280 --> 02:19:26,760
of the cities along the Wasatch Front

3961
02:19:26,760 --> 02:19:29,480
get big portions of that power. So, it's

3962
02:19:29,480 --> 02:19:33,200
very much hurt um our local towns around

3963
02:19:33,200 --> 02:19:35,920
here that had allocations. So, anytime

3964
02:19:35,920 --> 02:19:39,360
though we can get hydro, um all in.

3965
02:19:39,360 --> 02:19:43,080
It's fuel-free, inflation-free.

3966
02:19:43,080 --> 02:19:45,000
>> So, Sean, do we get all the power that

3967
02:19:45,000 --> 02:19:46,400
comes from there?

3968
02:19:46,400 --> 02:19:48,080
We don't split it with anybody else. We

3969
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:49,560
We'll We'll get all the power, right?

3970
02:19:49,560 --> 02:19:51,840
>> From Strawberry? Yeah, currently, but as

3971
02:19:51,840 --> 02:19:53,960
Dave pointed out, um

3972
02:19:53,960 --> 02:19:56,560
if the Bureau takes it over, it could

3973
02:19:56,560 --> 02:19:59,040
get allocated through WAPA and it

3974
02:19:59,040 --> 02:20:00,880
changes everything Western Area Power

3975
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:02,640
Authority and it might have to get

3976
02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:04,840
shared after that point, but might take

3977
02:20:04,840 --> 02:20:06,440
a long time to the paperwork and stuff,

3978
02:20:06,440 --> 02:20:08,320
so we're not sure. But, we didn't know

3979
02:20:08,320 --> 02:20:10,200
how to gauge it cuz what they may do

3980
02:20:10,200 --> 02:20:12,040
might only be 2 years, so we just went

3981
02:20:12,040 --> 02:20:14,200
with 5 years. We would like to have done

3982
02:20:14,200 --> 02:20:15,280
10.

3983
02:20:15,280 --> 02:20:17,360
Um, lock it up as long as we can, but

3984
02:20:17,360 --> 02:20:18,840
all the rules could change on us in a

3985
02:20:18,840 --> 02:20:20,040
few years.

3986
02:20:20,040 --> 02:20:21,320
And so,

3987
02:20:21,320 --> 02:20:22,960
>> Sean, do we have any other hydro in our

3988
02:20:22,960 --> 02:20:24,160
portfolio as of now?

3989
02:20:24,160 --> 02:20:25,840
>> Uh, Colorado River storage project a

3990
02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:26,600
little bit.

3991
02:20:26,600 --> 02:20:26,960
>> Okay.

3992
02:20:26,960 --> 02:20:28,600
>> Like about like 2.5.

3993
02:20:28,600 --> 02:20:31,720
>> Yeah, it's about megawatt right now. Um,

3994
02:20:31,720 --> 02:20:33,200
and it's usually bigger. It's probably

3995
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:35,080
about a third of what it's traditionally

3996
02:20:35,080 --> 02:20:37,200
been and it might shut off

3997
02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:38,640
some point, so.

3998
02:20:38,640 --> 02:20:40,360
>> Need more snow.

3999
02:20:40,360 --> 02:20:41,160
>> In the water.

4000
02:20:41,160 --> 02:20:42,392
>> Yeah. Yeah.

4001
02:20:42,392 --> 02:20:44,240
>> [laughter]

4002
02:20:44,240 --> 02:20:46,480
>> Any other questions, Council?

4003
02:20:46,480 --> 02:20:48,760
I'd entertain a motion.

4004
02:20:48,760 --> 02:20:50,840
>> I'll make the motion that we approve the

4005
02:20:50,840 --> 02:20:53,760
um, purchase uh, for the sale of power

4006
02:20:53,760 --> 02:20:55,560
between Payson City and Strawberry Water

4007
02:20:55,560 --> 02:20:57,600
User Association authorizing the mayor

4008
02:20:57,600 --> 02:20:59,640
to execute the agreement.

4009
02:20:59,640 --> 02:21:00,640
>> Second.

4010
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:02,440
>> I have a motion and a second.

4011
02:21:02,440 --> 02:21:04,360
Council member Smith.

4012
02:21:04,360 --> 02:21:05,400
>> Yes.

4013
02:21:05,400 --> 02:21:07,000
Council member Youatt.

4014
02:21:07,000 --> 02:21:07,720
>> Yes.

4015
02:21:07,720 --> 02:21:08,920
>> Council member Rolley.

4016
02:21:08,920 --> 02:21:09,680
>> Yes.

4017
02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:11,240
>> Council member Probst Guard, yes.

4018
02:21:11,240 --> 02:21:12,360
Council member Moss.

4019
02:21:12,360 --> 02:21:13,320
>> Yes.

4020
02:21:13,320 --> 02:21:14,240
>> Motion passes.

4021
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:17,763
>> Thank you.

4022
02:21:17,763 --> 02:21:18,600
>> [snorts]

4023
02:21:18,600 --> 02:21:20,920
>> Item number 10, amendment to Payson City

4024
02:21:20,920 --> 02:21:24,880
Code section 4.08.180,

4025
02:21:24,880 --> 02:21:27,560
cross connection control and black

4026
02:21:27,560 --> 02:21:29,760
backflow prevention.

4027
02:21:29,760 --> 02:21:31,400
Brandon and Travis.

4028
02:21:31,400 --> 02:21:32,480
>> Yeah, I'll take this one.

4029
02:21:32,480 --> 02:21:32,880
>> Okay.

4030
02:21:32,880 --> 02:21:35,040
>> So, um, a couple of our employees just

4031
02:21:35,040 --> 02:21:37,160
went to a some state training on

4032
02:21:37,160 --> 02:21:38,480
backflow prevention and cross

4033
02:21:38,480 --> 02:21:41,160
connections, so they had the state

4034
02:21:41,160 --> 02:21:42,960
review our ordinance and the state

4035
02:21:42,960 --> 02:21:44,640
recommended the wording change that you

4036
02:21:44,640 --> 02:21:46,800
see in the packet, so that's that's what

4037
02:21:46,800 --> 02:21:49,360
it kind of pushed this forward to hurry

4038
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:50,800
and do it so so we could just be in

4039
02:21:50,800 --> 02:21:52,920
compliance with what

4040
02:21:52,920 --> 02:21:54,440
the state's doing and what we have to do

4041
02:21:54,440 --> 02:21:56,640
with it cuz this is basically if anyone

4042
02:21:56,640 --> 02:21:58,400
wants to connect, you know, like they're

4043
02:21:58,400 --> 02:22:00,360
trying to water outside with a, you

4044
02:22:00,360 --> 02:22:01,400
know,

4045
02:22:01,400 --> 02:22:02,960
culinary water. So, like we have up

4046
02:22:02,960 --> 02:22:05,240
above the canal in Patterson and stuff

4047
02:22:05,240 --> 02:22:06,720
like that.

4048
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:08,160
We have to do yearly inspections and

4049
02:22:08,160 --> 02:22:09,480
that kind of stuff. So, that's just kind

4050
02:22:09,480 --> 02:22:11,680
of a little Somebody might live up there

4051
02:22:11,680 --> 02:22:14,240
that we know, But, yeah, that's what this is about.

4052
02:22:14,240 --> 02:22:16,280
So, it was just get to tighten up our

4053
02:22:16,280 --> 02:22:17,560
ordinance better with what the state

4054
02:22:17,560 --> 02:22:22,830
wanted. So,

4055
02:22:22,840 --> 02:22:25,280
» Pretty straightforward. Uh any any

4056
02:22:25,280 --> 02:22:26,840
further discussion, Council?

4057
02:22:26,840 --> 02:22:29,240
>> I make a motion that we approve

4058
02:22:29,240 --> 02:22:30,800
the amendment to the Payson City Code

4059
02:22:30,800 --> 02:22:33,760
section 4.08.180

4060
02:22:33,760 --> 02:22:35,840
cross connection control and backflow

4061
02:22:35,840 --> 02:22:36,720
prevention.

4062
02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:38,040
>> I will second.

4063
02:22:38,040 --> 02:22:39,480
>> I have a motion and a second. Council

4064
02:22:39,480 --> 02:22:40,600
member Moss.

4065
02:22:40,600 --> 02:22:41,000
>> Yes.

4066
02:22:41,000 --> 02:22:42,840
>> Council member Probst guard. Yes.

4067
02:22:42,840 --> 02:22:44,440
Council member Rowley.

4068
02:22:44,440 --> 02:22:45,160
>> Yes.

4069
02:22:45,160 --> 02:22:46,080
>> Council member Schuler.

4070
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:46,720
>> Yes.

4071
02:22:46,720 --> 02:22:47,960
>> Council member Smith.

4072
02:22:47,960 --> 02:22:49,720
>> Yes.

4073
02:22:49,720 --> 02:22:52,120
>> Motion carries.

4074
02:22:52,120 --> 02:22:54,120
Item number 11.

4075
02:22:54,120 --> 02:22:56,840
Ordinance adopting the IO Infill Overlay

4076
02:22:56,840 --> 02:22:59,960
Zone designation for property located at

4077
02:22:59,960 --> 02:23:01,960
353 North

4078
02:23:01,960 --> 02:23:05,000
300 East Utah County parcel

4079
02:23:05,000 --> 02:23:08,710
08-048-0029.

4080
02:23:08,720 --> 02:23:12,030
Michael.

4081
02:23:12,040 --> 02:23:13,480
» So, I don't have a presentation, just a

4082
02:23:13,480 --> 02:23:15,520
couple of images to show you at that

4083
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:17,680
proximity, the area, the neighborhood.

4084
02:23:17,680 --> 02:23:27,670
So, I'll just pull that up really quick.

4085
02:23:27,680 --> 02:23:28,680
So,

4086
02:23:28,680 --> 02:23:30,400
where the little red dot there is,

4087
02:23:30,400 --> 02:23:32,560
that's where the home is. The proposal

4088
02:23:32,560 --> 02:23:36,120
is to subdivide the home, so it's of the

4089
02:23:36,120 --> 02:23:38,720
same lot sizes as you can see

4090
02:23:38,720 --> 02:23:42,800
nearby, very similar. Um this was done

4091
02:23:42,800 --> 02:23:45,840
many years ago and it was approved, but

4092
02:23:45,840 --> 02:23:48,000
then it never got recorded, never went

4093
02:23:48,000 --> 02:23:50,440
forward. And so the property owner wants

4094
02:23:50,440 --> 02:23:54,160
to come back and and do such. So, that's

4095
02:23:54,160 --> 02:23:57,280
um the neighborhood um and then

4096
02:23:57,280 --> 02:24:00,790
the lots would just look

4097
02:24:00,800 --> 02:24:03,960
um very similar again to adjacent lots.

4098
02:24:03,960 --> 02:24:06,000
Uh and so the overlay is needed because

4099
02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:07,720
these lots are just slightly smaller

4100
02:24:07,720 --> 02:24:10,600
than the minimum lot size for that zone.

4101
02:24:10,600 --> 02:24:12,080
And that's that's what's being asked for

4102
02:24:12,080 --> 02:24:14,080
today is the the lots are just a little

4103
02:24:14,080 --> 02:24:16,760
over 7,000 square feet and the frontage

4104
02:24:16,760 --> 02:24:19,920
is just a little under the I think it's

4105
02:24:19,920 --> 02:24:22,280
like 60 something. I can't see it on

4106
02:24:22,280 --> 02:24:24,760
there, but um

4107
02:24:24,760 --> 02:24:27,630
59

4108
02:24:27,640 --> 02:24:29,280
» 5943

4109
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:32,280
>> No, it's it's more. Yeah, so you 7050

4110
02:24:32,280 --> 02:24:34,880
7052 Yeah, it's got a point of beginning

4111
02:24:34,880 --> 02:24:36,720
right there that adds another

4112
02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:39,560
So, the yeah, it's about 5 ft under the

4113
02:24:39,560 --> 02:24:42,280
minimum frontage, very similar to like I

4114
02:24:42,280 --> 02:24:44,280
said to other homes in the neighborhood

4115
02:24:44,280 --> 02:24:46,840
there. So, that's that's the request.

4116
02:24:46,840 --> 02:24:49,360
Um it went to planning commission about

4117
02:24:49,360 --> 02:24:51,560
3 or 4 weeks ago and they had a positive

4118
02:24:51,560 --> 02:24:53,440
recommendation for approval on this.

4119
02:24:53,440 --> 02:24:55,080
>> And lot one is where the existing home

4120
02:24:55,080 --> 02:24:55,840
is, correct?

4121
02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:57,680
>> Correct.

4122
02:24:57,680 --> 02:24:59,080
>> Michael, I had a question. If you go

4123
02:24:59,080 --> 02:25:00,480
back to the

4124
02:25:00,480 --> 02:25:02,520
If when I drove by there, it looks like

4125
02:25:02,520 --> 02:25:05,760
the building is right on property line.

4126
02:25:05,760 --> 02:25:07,160
Where you would divide the property

4127
02:25:07,160 --> 02:25:07,880
line.

4128
02:25:07,880 --> 02:25:09,400
>> That shed structure, is that kind of

4129
02:25:09,400 --> 02:25:10,800
what you're pointing at?

4130
02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:12,680
>> That would make it non-conforming.

4131
02:25:12,680 --> 02:25:13,480
>> Yeah, it looks

4132
02:25:13,480 --> 02:25:15,120
>> Whoops, is the setbacks wouldn't be

4133
02:25:15,120 --> 02:25:15,720
correct.

4134
02:25:15,720 --> 02:25:20,870
>> Correct.

4135
02:25:20,880 --> 02:25:21,880
» Mhm.

4136
02:25:21,880 --> 02:25:25,200
Well, but it's it's attached.

4137
02:25:25,200 --> 02:25:26,880
>> Well,

4138
02:25:26,880 --> 02:25:28,840
I can't say it's attached to the home.

4139
02:25:28,840 --> 02:25:33,310
>> No, it's not. And

4140
02:25:33,320 --> 02:25:34,720
No, I don't know if we have the size of

4141
02:25:34,720 --> 02:25:36,080
that

4142
02:25:36,080 --> 02:25:40,390
building.

4143
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:42,160
» I I think if we were to make a motion

4144
02:25:42,160 --> 02:25:43,640
that we would just make a motion that it

4145
02:25:43,640 --> 02:25:44,920
met

4146
02:25:44,920 --> 02:25:47,400
the setback requirements of dividing

4147
02:25:47,400 --> 02:25:49,920
that line.

4148
02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:52,240
What would make me comfortable.

4149
02:25:52,240 --> 02:25:54,280
>> And you could make a modified motion for

4150
02:25:54,280 --> 02:25:56,920
that if you wanted to. Allowing for

4151
02:25:56,920 --> 02:25:58,800
less setback or requiring that they have

4152
02:25:58,800 --> 02:25:59,520
the proper

4153
02:25:59,520 --> 02:26:00,560
>> meet that setback.

4154
02:26:00,560 --> 02:26:03,120
>> So they may have to move that uh

4155
02:26:03,120 --> 02:26:05,680
that shed too potentially or moving the

4156
02:26:05,680 --> 02:26:07,680
shed either way, moving the boundary of

4157
02:26:07,680 --> 02:26:09,600
lot two or

4158
02:26:09,600 --> 02:26:11,360
all that. So

4159
02:26:11,360 --> 02:26:14,000
one remedy could be just

4160
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:16,040
adjusting the property line to allow for

4161
02:26:16,040 --> 02:26:18,160
>> saying adjust the property line cuz you

4162
02:26:18,160 --> 02:26:21,280
can't go any smaller than 7,000 ft.

4163
02:26:21,280 --> 02:26:22,000
>> Well, you can.

4164
02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:22,600
>> We could.

4165
02:26:22,600 --> 02:26:23,680
>> The overlay allows you

4166
02:26:23,680 --> 02:26:24,240
>> we can.

4167
02:26:24,240 --> 02:26:27,960
>> Yeah. I just I just don't know if it's necessary for us to make him

4168
02:26:27,960 --> 02:26:30,640
tear down that shed if if it's

4169
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:31,600
>> I just don't want to make it

4170
02:26:31,600 --> 02:26:32,360
non-conforming.

4171
02:26:32,360 --> 02:26:33,000
>> Just move the property

4172
02:26:33,000 --> 02:26:34,400
>> This is already going to this is an

4173
02:26:34,400 --> 02:26:35,800
overlay so it's going to change. It's

4174
02:26:35,800 --> 02:26:37,200
going to be non-conforming.

4175
02:26:37,200 --> 02:26:39,560
>> Well, and you can see there it says 5-ft

4176
02:26:39,560 --> 02:26:42,600
PUE ends at the existing garage. So

4177
02:26:42,600 --> 02:26:46,040
there would be that 5 ft behind it.

4178
02:26:46,040 --> 02:26:48,320
Would be would be that property line.

4179
02:26:48,320 --> 02:26:50,240
>> No, it's not. Then the 5-ft setbacks

4180
02:26:50,240 --> 02:26:52,480
exists. Okay.

4181
02:26:52,480 --> 02:26:52,960
>> Yep.

4182
02:26:52,960 --> 02:26:53,840
>> Any further discussion?

4183
02:26:53,840 --> 02:26:55,240
>> Yeah, I have one question for you. How

4184
02:26:55,240 --> 02:26:58,800
long does the overlay zones last if if

4185
02:26:58,800 --> 02:27:00,720
we approve them, if they don't record

4186
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:02,520
them, do they last 1 year, 2 years, 3

4187
02:27:02,520 --> 02:27:02,960
years?

4188
02:27:02,960 --> 02:27:04,640
>> the biggest problem with this is the the

4189
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:05,960
plat never recorded.

4190
02:27:05,960 --> 02:27:07,360
>> Right, but how long

4191
02:27:07,360 --> 02:27:08,360
>> it's 1 year.

4192
02:27:08,360 --> 02:27:09,360
>> 1 year, okay.

4193
02:27:09,360 --> 02:27:10,440
>> Yeah.

4194
02:27:10,440 --> 02:27:11,520
>> And they're going to record it this

4195
02:27:11,520 --> 02:27:12,720
time, we hope.

4196
02:27:12,720 --> 02:27:13,560
>> That's the plan.

4197
02:27:13,560 --> 02:27:15,520
>> Okay.

4198
02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:17,480
>> I make a motion that

4199
02:27:17,480 --> 02:27:20,560
we approve adopting the inlay the infill

4200
02:27:20,560 --> 02:27:22,320
overlay zoning designation for the

4201
02:27:22,320 --> 02:27:26,760
property located at 353 North 300 East,

4202
02:27:26,760 --> 02:27:33,150
Utah County parcel 08 0480029.

4203
02:27:33,160 --> 02:27:34,160
» I second.

4204
02:27:34,160 --> 02:27:35,960
>> Motion and a second. Council member

4205
02:27:35,960 --> 02:27:36,360
Moss.

4206
02:27:36,360 --> 02:27:37,040
>> Yes.

4207
02:27:37,040 --> 02:27:39,480
>> Council member Probstgaard? Yes.

4208
02:27:39,480 --> 02:27:40,520
Council member Rowley?

4209
02:27:40,520 --> 02:27:41,360
>> Yes.

4210
02:27:41,360 --> 02:27:42,240
>> Council member Hewlett?

4211
02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:43,480
>> Yes.

4212
02:27:43,480 --> 02:27:44,280
>> Council member

4213
02:27:44,280 --> 02:27:47,830
>> Yes.

4214
02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:49,120
» All right.

4215
02:27:49,120 --> 02:27:50,320
Item number 12.

4216
02:27:50,320 --> 02:27:52,400
>> It looks like your microphone's not on.

4217
02:27:52,400 --> 02:27:53,440
So.

4218
02:27:53,440 --> 02:27:55,040
>> Sorry.

4219
02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:58,320
>> Motion carried. Items number 12, 13, and

4220
02:27:58,320 --> 02:27:59,640
14.

4221
02:27:59,640 --> 02:28:01,000
Can you give us a presentation on all

4222
02:28:01,000 --> 02:28:01,800
three?

4223
02:28:01,800 --> 02:28:03,360
>> Yes, I'll give you a brief presentation

4224
02:28:03,360 --> 02:28:05,440
on all three, but they are separate

4225
02:28:05,440 --> 02:28:06,760
agenda items, so

4226
02:28:06,760 --> 02:28:08,120
>> We'll make a motion on each one.

4227
02:28:08,120 --> 02:28:09,040
>> Make them separately, yes.

4228
02:28:09,040 --> 02:28:29,230
>> Yep.

4229
02:28:29,240 --> 02:28:30,560
» Oh, it looks like it's at the very end.

4230
02:28:30,560 --> 02:28:33,880
Okay. So, there's three the three agenda

4231
02:28:33,880 --> 02:28:35,080
items there, the Haskell, the

4232
02:28:35,080 --> 02:28:36,960
Braithwaite, the Ludine, Mark, and

4233
02:28:36,960 --> 02:28:41,240
Marjorie Haskell annexation requests.

4234
02:28:41,240 --> 02:28:42,480
So, we'll just go through them in order

4235
02:28:42,480 --> 02:28:44,640
as they're on the agenda there.

4236
02:28:44,640 --> 02:28:47,040
Um the first one, you can see it zooming

4237
02:28:47,040 --> 02:28:48,600
in here. This is

4238
02:28:48,600 --> 02:28:51,880
um the Haskell addition.

4239
02:28:51,880 --> 02:28:53,520
Those are the two parcels, and then

4240
02:28:53,520 --> 02:28:55,640
there's a remnant parcel at the top of

4241
02:28:55,640 --> 02:29:01,150
that's road that would be part of this.

4242
02:29:01,160 --> 02:29:02,400
Um

4243
02:29:02,400 --> 02:29:03,320
so, to give you a little bit of

4244
02:29:03,320 --> 02:29:06,000
orientation, I put on there 1200 East

4245
02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:08,640
and Salem Canal Road. Uh this is the

4246
02:29:08,640 --> 02:29:10,640
concept layout that the applicant shared

4247
02:29:10,640 --> 02:29:13,720
with us on the left-hand side there.

4248
02:29:13,720 --> 02:29:16,120
Um staff have some concerns with this

4249
02:29:16,120 --> 02:29:18,640
concept layout, and I I just put a few

4250
02:29:18,640 --> 02:29:20,600
bullet points there. The street needs to

4251
02:29:20,600 --> 02:29:22,600
be stubbed to the edge of the property.

4252
02:29:22,600 --> 02:29:25,600
That helps for future developments, and

4253
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:27,800
helps hopefully to address some of those

4254
02:29:27,800 --> 02:29:30,880
concerns we have with um annexing very

4255
02:29:30,880 --> 02:29:32,960
small pieces of property that we want to

4256
02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:34,960
plan for the future of of adjacent

4257
02:29:34,960 --> 02:29:36,160
properties.

4258
02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:40,040
Um that flag lot's a concern to us.

4259
02:29:40,040 --> 02:29:43,760
That that's not ideal. Um and then last

4260
02:29:43,760 --> 02:29:45,800
of all, we need to confirm that uh

4261
02:29:45,800 --> 02:29:48,600
utilities will work in that area and

4262
02:29:48,600 --> 02:29:49,560
that would be something that we would

4263
02:29:49,560 --> 02:29:52,520
work with the applicant on if accepted.

4264
02:29:52,520 --> 02:29:55,560
Uh zoning here would match um the most

4265
02:29:55,560 --> 02:29:57,960
recent annexation to the west, the

4266
02:29:57,960 --> 02:30:00,680
Staley annexation. And it would be

4267
02:30:00,680 --> 02:30:03,520
minimum lot sizes of 20,000 square feet

4268
02:30:03,520 --> 02:30:06,360
is the intent for these. So, 20 That

4269
02:30:06,360 --> 02:30:08,440
would be the R120, but the lots would be

4270
02:30:08,440 --> 02:30:10,600
anywhere from 20,000 to greater in

4271
02:30:10,600 --> 02:30:13,040
square footage.

4272
02:30:13,040 --> 02:30:15,080
>> And I wonder if we should talk about

4273
02:30:15,080 --> 02:30:16,440
each of these individually just cuz they

4274
02:30:16,440 --> 02:30:18,440
all have uh individual needs and

4275
02:30:18,440 --> 02:30:19,040
concerns.

4276
02:30:19,040 --> 02:30:20,600
>> Probably we should. Probably we should.

4277
02:30:20,600 --> 02:30:23,920
>> I I really don't like lot number six.

4278
02:30:23,920 --> 02:30:25,760
Um

4279
02:30:25,760 --> 02:30:26,120
Mhm.

4280
02:30:26,120 --> 02:30:27,040
>> Is that the flag one?

4281
02:30:27,040 --> 02:30:27,960
>> Yeah.

4282
02:30:27,960 --> 02:30:30,120
and then uh also the

4283
02:30:30,120 --> 02:30:32,120
uh the uh the terrain, and I'm trying to

4284
02:30:32,120 --> 02:30:35,440
remember uh isn't this one quite steep?

4285
02:30:35,440 --> 02:30:38,200
>> It starts elevating. I think it's it's

4286
02:30:38,200 --> 02:30:39,720
fairly flat here, but it starts

4287
02:30:39,720 --> 02:30:41,960
elevating towards the I believe the back

4288
02:30:41,960 --> 02:30:44,760
of those buildings on I guess the first

4289
02:30:44,760 --> 02:30:46,960
lot on the left-hand side there.

4290
02:30:46,960 --> 02:30:47,440
>> Okay.

4291
02:30:47,440 --> 02:30:48,960
>> Yeah, so it does start elevating.

4292
02:30:48,960 --> 02:30:51,960
>> I I do like the size of the lots. Uh I I

4293
02:30:51,960 --> 02:30:54,120
think I think that's a a bonus to have

4294
02:30:54,120 --> 02:30:55,480
some more bigger lots in Pace, and

4295
02:30:55,480 --> 02:30:58,920
that's what we've always been wanting. Um

4296
02:30:58,920 --> 02:31:01,080
uh obviously the your bullet item about

4297
02:31:01,080 --> 02:31:02,560
the utilities, yeah, we want to make

4298
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:03,800
sure that

4299
02:31:03,800 --> 02:31:06,560
uh utilities can flow. Um I'm not a big

4300
02:31:06,560 --> 02:31:10,600
fan. I've talked with Travis, too, and he's helped me understand a few

4301
02:31:10,600 --> 02:31:12,440
things. Not a big fan of all these

4302
02:31:12,440 --> 02:31:15,520
little tiny uh lift stations running

4303
02:31:15,520 --> 02:31:19,360
these little subdivisions. And so, that would be a huge concern for me to

4304
02:31:19,360 --> 02:31:20,880
see if in fact we could tie in the

4305
02:31:20,880 --> 02:31:22,400
utilities and do it in such a way that

4306
02:31:22,400 --> 02:31:23,640
it's not a burden on the rest of the

4307
02:31:23,640 --> 02:31:29,880
residents. And then uh obviously it's it's a small annexation, uh but the

4308
02:31:29,880 --> 02:31:34,520
risk that comes with big annexations of hundreds of acres is they're always

4309
02:31:34,520 --> 02:31:37,520
begging for super dense. Right? And so,

4310
02:31:37,520 --> 02:31:39,720
that's one way to keep uh bigger lots is

4311
02:31:39,720 --> 02:31:41,480
to have these smaller annexations. So,

4312
02:31:41,480 --> 02:31:44,950
that's something to consider, too.

4313
02:31:44,960 --> 02:31:48,360
» Uh my my question is we're considering

4314
02:31:48,360 --> 02:31:51,200
an annexation, not a subdivision.

4315
02:31:51,200 --> 02:31:53,440
>> Yes, this is just a concept they shared

4316
02:31:53,440 --> 02:31:54,040
with us.

4317
02:31:54,040 --> 02:31:57,520
>> I I'm I'm not in favor approving that. I

4318
02:31:57,520 --> 02:31:59,800
am interested in talking about the

4319
02:31:59,800 --> 02:32:02,600
annexation, but the concept plan to me

4320
02:32:02,600 --> 02:32:04,520
should be just off the table. I

4321
02:32:04,520 --> 02:32:06,360
appreciate them taking a moment in doing

4322
02:32:06,360 --> 02:32:07,440
that,

4323
02:32:07,440 --> 02:32:09,560
but I'm more concerned about the

4324
02:32:09,560 --> 02:32:11,880
annexation and letting staff

4325
02:32:11,880 --> 02:32:14,320
really fine-tooth this and tell us what

4326
02:32:14,320 --> 02:32:16,560
>> Well, the the concept wouldn't be part

4327
02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:20,160
of your decision tonight. That would be

4328
02:32:20,160 --> 02:32:21,440
ultimately what would go into an

4329
02:32:21,440 --> 02:32:24,760
annexation agreement if it was adopted.

4330
02:32:24,760 --> 02:32:25,320
>> I agree.

4331
02:32:25,320 --> 02:32:27,400
>> But I think for for myself to make a

4332
02:32:27,400 --> 02:32:29,200
decision on annexation this small, the

4333
02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:30,920
concept map is important to see what

4334
02:32:30,920 --> 02:32:32,840
their their plans are and to see how

4335
02:32:32,840 --> 02:32:34,640
much they would change if they would

4336
02:32:34,640 --> 02:32:35,800
further go down the road.

4337
02:32:35,800 --> 02:32:37,440
>> Well, and I think if staff spends a few

4338
02:32:37,440 --> 02:32:39,640
more minutes with it,

4339
02:32:39,640 --> 02:32:41,080
particularly utilities and that, we

4340
02:32:41,080 --> 02:32:43,000
might find that

4341
02:32:43,000 --> 02:32:44,600
there might be some suggestions there,

4342
02:32:44,600 --> 02:32:45,480
also.

4343
02:32:45,480 --> 02:32:47,280
>> So, the way I look at this, this is just

4344
02:32:47,280 --> 02:32:49,640
a go-to review. So, this concept plan is

4345
02:32:49,640 --> 02:32:52,920
just their ideas, and it's it's not

4346
02:32:52,920 --> 02:32:55,040
I mean, it could totally change because

4347
02:32:55,040 --> 02:32:57,120
it's going to be what staff looks at,

4348
02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:58,960
what they agree to, and then it'll come

4349
02:32:58,960 --> 02:33:01,640
back to council once the staff's and

4350
02:33:01,640 --> 02:33:03,280
planning zoning are comfortable with it.

4351
02:33:03,280 --> 02:33:09,520
Then it'll come back to us and see if we want to annex after that time. But I So, I'm going to leave it up to

4352
02:33:09,520 --> 02:33:12,400
the staff to look at this and and make

4353
02:33:12,400 --> 02:33:14,080
sure it's what we really want and how

4354
02:33:14,080 --> 02:33:18,470
it's going to work for Payson.

4355
02:33:18,480 --> 02:33:20,880
» Any other comment, Council?

4356
02:33:20,880 --> 02:33:23,200
Then I would consider a motion

4357
02:33:23,200 --> 02:33:26,000
specifically for the Haskell addition

4358
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:29,480
annexation petition for consideration

4359
02:33:29,480 --> 02:33:33,040
of further review located at 1200 East

4360
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:36,360
Salem Canal Road consisting of 6.21

4361
02:33:36,360 --> 02:33:36,920
acres.

4362
02:33:36,920 --> 02:33:38,280
>> I'm going to say so moved so I don't

4363
02:33:38,280 --> 02:33:42,030
have to repeat it all.

4364
02:33:42,040 --> 02:33:43,600
» I need to pause and ask one more

4365
02:33:43,600 --> 02:33:45,000
question before I can make a decision,

4366
02:33:45,000 --> 02:33:47,480
Michael. Um if this were to get approved

4367
02:33:47,480 --> 02:33:49,720
and we we allow for staff to continue to

4368
02:33:49,720 --> 02:33:51,640
review this annexation

4369
02:33:51,640 --> 02:33:54,920
uh at that point, what what avenues or

4370
02:33:54,920 --> 02:33:59,200
off-ramps do we have if we don't like what comes to us with

4371
02:33:59,200 --> 02:34:01,680
the the full annexation?

4372
02:34:01,680 --> 02:34:03,280
>> Well, that's the beauty of an annexation

4373
02:34:03,280 --> 02:34:05,120
is it's entirely legislative.

4374
02:34:05,120 --> 02:34:05,600
>> Okay.

4375
02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:07,880
>> And so you can say no for just about any

4376
02:34:07,880 --> 02:34:08,400
reason.

4377
02:34:08,400 --> 02:34:10,320
>> We we can say um

4378
02:34:10,320 --> 02:34:12,040
we can bring it in

4379
02:34:12,040 --> 02:34:14,160
as as a holding zone, right?

4380
02:34:14,160 --> 02:34:16,040
We don't have to bring it in as an

4381
02:34:16,040 --> 02:34:17,640
annexation. We can bring it in as as a

4382
02:34:17,640 --> 02:34:20,000
holding zone. So that gives us a whole

4383
02:34:20,000 --> 02:34:22,320
bunch of legislation right there.

4384
02:34:22,320 --> 02:34:24,880
>> Really really all you have the decision

4385
02:34:24,880 --> 02:34:27,000
before you tonight is

4386
02:34:27,000 --> 02:34:29,040
do you want us to review this for

4387
02:34:29,040 --> 02:34:31,640
annexation or do you not want us to

4388
02:34:31,640 --> 02:34:34,160
review this for annexation? And then you

4389
02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:36,680
have a arsenal of things.

4390
02:34:36,680 --> 02:34:38,840
>> I'd like to know what the sewer is going

4391
02:34:38,840 --> 02:34:39,240
to be costing.

4392
02:34:39,240 --> 02:34:40,120
>> I

4393
02:34:40,120 --> 02:34:43,280
forgot to ask. Um sorry.

4394
02:34:43,280 --> 02:34:46,560
When when a annexation review comes to

4395
02:34:46,560 --> 02:34:49,880
staff, is it normally

4396
02:34:49,880 --> 02:34:51,920
the total weighted score?

4397
02:34:51,920 --> 02:34:54,640
Like do people normally not enter the

4398
02:34:54,640 --> 02:34:56,760
utilities are currently?

4399
02:34:56,760 --> 02:34:59,160
>> So for instance, with the last

4400
02:34:59,160 --> 02:35:01,560
annexation that we had um that was

4401
02:35:01,560 --> 02:35:04,200
actually denied, that weighted score was

4402
02:35:04,200 --> 02:35:07,440
like 25% when the applicant brought it

4403
02:35:07,440 --> 02:35:10,280
to us, but we still had uh city council

4404
02:35:10,280 --> 02:35:12,400
still accepted it for further review,

4405
02:35:12,400 --> 02:35:13,960
and we went through the whole process

4406
02:35:13,960 --> 02:35:16,080
only to come to the conclusion that

4407
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:18,680
council decided not to annex that. So,

4408
02:35:18,680 --> 02:35:21,200
it's really just a guiding tool for us

4409
02:35:21,200 --> 02:35:23,520
and for you to understand

4410
02:35:23,520 --> 02:35:26,400
how we're we're kind of rating these,

4411
02:35:26,400 --> 02:35:29,720
how how ready are they to potentially

4412
02:35:29,720 --> 02:35:35,200
develop, but it's by no means uh like a

4413
02:35:35,200 --> 02:35:36,640
something you you're going to hold your

4414
02:35:36,640 --> 02:35:38,120
hat on for it.

4415
02:35:38,120 --> 02:35:40,040
>> What would you say how many based on

4416
02:35:40,040 --> 02:35:42,200
just this one?

4417
02:35:42,200 --> 02:35:44,000
Rough guess,

4418
02:35:44,000 --> 02:35:46,600
how many more staff hours would you

4419
02:35:46,600 --> 02:35:49,200
consider this one would need

4420
02:35:49,200 --> 02:35:50,560
to

4421
02:35:50,560 --> 02:35:52,280
like if they would have done a little

4422
02:35:52,280 --> 02:35:53,880
bit more work or you know, something

4423
02:35:53,880 --> 02:35:54,120
like

4424
02:35:54,120 --> 02:35:56,360
>> If I can.

4425
02:35:56,360 --> 02:35:57,960
Sorry, Lacy. We've got a motion on the

4426
02:35:57,960 --> 02:35:58,320
floor.

4427
02:35:58,320 --> 02:35:58,960
>> Oh, sorry.

4428
02:35:58,960 --> 02:35:59,800
>> Uh

4429
02:35:59,800 --> 02:36:00,160
>> Go ahead.

4430
02:36:00,160 --> 02:36:02,320
>> I I think procedure-wise, we need to

4431
02:36:02,320 --> 02:36:02,720
follow through.

4432
02:36:02,720 --> 02:36:04,360
>> Okay. Yeah, sorry. Go ahead.

4433
02:36:04,360 --> 02:36:06,560
>> I have a motion on the floor to approve

4434
02:36:06,560 --> 02:36:08,680
the further review. Do I have a second?

4435
02:36:08,680 --> 02:36:09,560
>> I'll second.

4436
02:36:09,560 --> 02:36:12,760
>> I have a second. Any further discussion?

4437
02:36:12,760 --> 02:36:15,390
Lacy.

4438
02:36:15,400 --> 02:36:16,000
So,

4439
02:36:16,000 --> 02:36:16,640
>> this

4440
02:36:16,640 --> 02:36:19,200
>> to answer her question if if that's

4441
02:36:19,200 --> 02:36:19,760
>> Yes.

4442
02:36:19,760 --> 02:36:20,920
>> Okay.

4443
02:36:20,920 --> 02:36:22,120
>> Um

4444
02:36:22,120 --> 02:36:24,640
this is very common for annexation

4445
02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:26,720
proposals. Applicants, developers,

4446
02:36:26,720 --> 02:36:28,320
whoever they are, they don't want to

4447
02:36:28,320 --> 02:36:29,880
spend money until they have some

4448
02:36:29,880 --> 02:36:31,120
assurance that they're at least going to

4449
02:36:31,120 --> 02:36:34,240
be considered. So, they're going to do

4450
02:36:34,240 --> 02:36:37,240
additional engineering, civil planning,

4451
02:36:37,240 --> 02:36:39,280
those sort of things to go into this.

4452
02:36:39,280 --> 02:36:41,040
There's going to be back and forth with

4453
02:36:41,040 --> 02:36:43,880
staff, but this being as small as it is,

4454
02:36:43,880 --> 02:36:45,640
it's not going to be a lot of man hours

4455
02:36:45,640 --> 02:36:46,640
for staff.

4456
02:36:46,640 --> 02:36:48,840
>> Thank you. And I and I do want to thank

4457
02:36:48,840 --> 02:36:50,640
all of the residents that have both sent

4458
02:36:50,640 --> 02:36:52,800
emails and come tonight. We we we hear

4459
02:36:52,800 --> 02:36:54,640
you loud and clear. We appreciate how

4460
02:36:54,640 --> 02:36:56,720
thoughtful uh

4461
02:36:56,720 --> 02:36:59,080
how much thought went into this. And uh

4462
02:36:59,080 --> 02:37:01,080
annexation and land use is a very

4463
02:37:01,080 --> 02:37:03,320
important and very important thing. And

4464
02:37:03,320 --> 02:37:05,480
I do want to remind all of us that this

4465
02:37:05,480 --> 02:37:08,280
East side is so very important and that

4466
02:37:08,280 --> 02:37:09,880
we need to develop it wisely. I don't

4467
02:37:09,880 --> 02:37:12,520
want to be coming down SR 198 in the

4468
02:37:12,520 --> 02:37:14,440
future and say, "Oh, look how nice Salem

4469
02:37:14,440 --> 02:37:15,760
is." And then, "Oh, look there's

4470
02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:17,960
Payson." And so, we'll we'll be very

4471
02:37:17,960 --> 02:37:19,480
conscious and careful about how we

4472
02:37:19,480 --> 02:37:22,080
develop this area.

4473
02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:24,800
>> And and just one last thing, there

4474
02:37:24,800 --> 02:37:26,520
it will come to a public hearing.

4475
02:37:26,520 --> 02:37:27,960
>> Yes.

4476
02:37:27,960 --> 02:37:29,640
>> public will have a chance to come and

4477
02:37:29,640 --> 02:37:31,080
voice their

4478
02:37:31,080 --> 02:37:33,400
concerns and look at the

4479
02:37:33,400 --> 02:37:33,880
appreciate

4480
02:37:33,880 --> 02:37:35,640
>> the letters that we've gotten so far in

4481
02:37:35,640 --> 02:37:36,000
May.

4482
02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:36,360
>> Yeah.

4483
02:37:36,360 --> 02:37:37,800
>> Yep, they've been very helpful.

4484
02:37:37,800 --> 02:37:39,520
>> And as staff reviews this, they're going

4485
02:37:39,520 --> 02:37:41,080
to be looking at these type

4486
02:37:41,080 --> 02:37:42,720
comprehensive plan and making sure it

4487
02:37:42,720 --> 02:37:43,240
fits.

4488
02:37:43,240 --> 02:37:44,840
>> the plan, if it meets the ordinance,

4489
02:37:44,840 --> 02:37:45,960
there's a lot of things that we will

4490
02:37:45,960 --> 02:37:48,000
give to you so you can make a decision.

4491
02:37:48,000 --> 02:37:49,960
>> All of this is why I'm okay to re-

4492
02:37:49,960 --> 02:37:51,680
to pass on to review.

4493
02:37:51,680 --> 02:37:53,240
>> Okay, I have a motion and a second.

4494
02:37:53,240 --> 02:37:54,800
Council member

4495
02:37:54,800 --> 02:37:55,320
Moss.

4496
02:37:55,320 --> 02:37:55,880
>> Yes.

4497
02:37:55,880 --> 02:37:58,080
>> Council member Pulsipher. Yes. Council

4498
02:37:58,080 --> 02:37:58,880
member Rowley.

4499
02:37:58,880 --> 02:37:59,800
>> Yes.

4500
02:37:59,800 --> 02:38:00,600
>> Council member Hewlett.

4501
02:38:00,600 --> 02:38:01,200
>> Yes.

4502
02:38:01,200 --> 02:38:02,760
>> And Council member Smith.

4503
02:38:02,760 --> 02:38:04,760
>> For this, yes.

4504
02:38:04,760 --> 02:38:06,320
To review, yes.

4505
02:38:06,320 --> 02:38:08,720
>> Motion carries to review.

4506
02:38:08,720 --> 02:38:11,120
Item number 13.

4507
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:14,160
Breathwaite Addition Annexation Petition

4508
02:38:14,160 --> 02:38:16,680
for consideration of further review

4509
02:38:16,680 --> 02:38:20,560
located at approximately 10457 South

4510
02:38:20,560 --> 02:38:24,680
2340 West consisting of 5.25 acres.

4511
02:38:24,680 --> 02:38:27,470
Michael.

4512
02:38:27,480 --> 02:38:29,680
» Zooming in on this one here.

4513
02:38:29,680 --> 02:38:30,600
>> Make sure your

4514
02:38:30,600 --> 02:38:32,240
microphone turned on.

4515
02:38:32,240 --> 02:38:34,800
>> Zooming in here, this is immediately

4516
02:38:34,800 --> 02:38:36,840
north of the Quail Mountain subdivision.

4517
02:38:36,840 --> 02:38:38,120
That's that

4518
02:38:38,120 --> 02:38:41,280
area that um

4519
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:43,480
that area that's the square box that's

4520
02:38:43,480 --> 02:38:45,720
in the city limits in yellow. So, that's

4521
02:38:45,720 --> 02:38:47,120
the area here.

4522
02:38:47,120 --> 02:38:49,590
Um

4523
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:51,680
showing you the concept they have here.

4524
02:38:51,680 --> 02:38:53,440
We're we're not necessarily in love with

4525
02:38:53,440 --> 02:38:56,440
this concept, either. Um

4526
02:38:56,440 --> 02:38:58,080
it's a rough concept that they shared

4527
02:38:58,080 --> 02:39:01,440
for for these purposes and to consider

4528
02:39:01,440 --> 02:39:02,960
ultimately how many lots they could

4529
02:39:02,960 --> 02:39:05,200
potentially get on the property.

4530
02:39:05,200 --> 02:39:07,440
Um

4531
02:39:07,440 --> 02:39:09,440
same question staff have on this is just

4532
02:39:09,440 --> 02:39:11,240
confirming that utilities will work for

4533
02:39:11,240 --> 02:39:14,120
the area. This would include uh storm

4534
02:39:14,120 --> 02:39:16,800
drain. This would include sewer and how

4535
02:39:16,800 --> 02:39:18,360
that works.

4536
02:39:18,360 --> 02:39:19,000
Um

4537
02:39:19,000 --> 02:39:21,680
the applicant is proposing uh R110,

4538
02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:23,440
which is uh

4539
02:39:23,440 --> 02:39:25,360
the same as what's immediately adjacent

4540
02:39:25,360 --> 02:39:26,760
to it. So,

4541
02:39:26,760 --> 02:39:29,680
any questions on this one?

4542
02:39:29,680 --> 02:39:31,600
>> Uh I guess not questions, just a few

4543
02:39:31,600 --> 02:39:34,640
comments. Um

4544
02:39:34,640 --> 02:39:37,880
it would almost be a one-way dead end in

4545
02:39:37,880 --> 02:39:40,000
and out situation with this uh

4546
02:39:40,000 --> 02:39:41,400
particular one the way it's laid out.

4547
02:39:41,400 --> 02:39:43,320
And then uh if I'm not mistaken, this

4548
02:39:43,320 --> 02:39:47,200
one would require a sewer lift station

4549
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:50,600
uh to to make it work. And uh that that

4550
02:39:50,600 --> 02:39:53,840
for me incurs enough of a cost. And I

4551
02:39:53,840 --> 02:39:56,320
think this one I mean it's it's it's the

4552
02:39:56,320 --> 02:39:59,520
smallest one uh to and

4553
02:39:59,520 --> 02:40:06,350
I guess I'm not a huge fan of this one.

4554
02:40:06,360 --> 02:40:08,320
» I'm I'm fine with just doing a review.

4555
02:40:08,320 --> 02:40:10,560
So, this that's what this is for is so

4556
02:40:10,560 --> 02:40:12,520
staff can look at and do a review and

4557
02:40:12,520 --> 02:40:15,160
see what it comes back like.

4558
02:40:15,160 --> 02:40:17,120
>> Yeah, I I don't like the concept of it

4559
02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:18,880
at all.

4560
02:40:18,880 --> 02:40:22,040
>> Okay, any further discussion?

4561
02:40:22,040 --> 02:40:23,040
Uh

4562
02:40:23,040 --> 02:40:24,920
I'd entertain a motion

4563
02:40:24,920 --> 02:40:27,800
for resolution number 13. Do I need to

4564
02:40:27,800 --> 02:40:33,030
read it all again?

4565
02:40:33,040 --> 02:40:35,240
» I move that we approve

4566
02:40:35,240 --> 02:40:36,720
uh the resolution for the Braithwaite

4567
02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:38,640
addition and annexation petition for

4568
02:40:38,640 --> 02:40:40,600
consideration and further review located

4569
02:40:40,600 --> 02:40:42,200
at approximately

4570
02:40:42,200 --> 02:40:43,840
10,457

4571
02:40:43,840 --> 02:40:47,160
South 2340 West consisting of 5.25

4572
02:40:47,160 --> 02:40:48,920
acres.

4573
02:40:48,920 --> 02:40:49,600
>> I'll second.

4574
02:40:49,600 --> 02:40:50,920
it.

4575
02:40:50,920 --> 02:40:53,040
>> Motion in the second. Council member

4576
02:40:53,040 --> 02:40:53,840
Smith.

4577
02:40:53,840 --> 02:40:54,800
>> No.

4578
02:40:54,800 --> 02:40:55,760
>> Council member Hewlett.

4579
02:40:55,760 --> 02:40:56,560
>> Yes.

4580
02:40:56,560 --> 02:40:57,320
>> Council member Rowley.

4581
02:40:57,320 --> 02:40:58,280
>> No.

4582
02:40:58,280 --> 02:40:59,640
>> Council member Probstgaard.

4583
02:40:59,640 --> 02:41:00,640
>> Yes.

4584
02:41:00,640 --> 02:41:03,080
>> Council member Moss.

4585
02:41:03,080 --> 02:41:05,840
>> Yes, only because it's going to review.

4586
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:09,950
>> Motion passed for review.

4587
02:41:09,960 --> 02:41:10,840
Motion

4588
02:41:10,840 --> 02:41:12,560
>> Nope, it shut off.

4589
02:41:12,560 --> 02:41:14,461
It's It's tired.

4590
02:41:14,461 --> 02:41:14,800
>> [laughter]

4591
02:41:14,800 --> 02:41:17,680
>> Uh motion passed for review.

4592
02:41:17,680 --> 02:41:21,120
Um I think you're you're more than open.

4593
02:41:21,120 --> 02:41:22,880
It's been a public forum or public

4594
02:41:22,880 --> 02:41:25,840
meeting tonight to let them know that

4595
02:41:25,840 --> 02:41:27,920
council does not like the concept at

4596
02:41:27,920 --> 02:41:29,000
all.

4597
02:41:29,000 --> 02:41:30,200
Um

4598
02:41:30,200 --> 02:41:31,520
we're not going to be specific with

4599
02:41:31,520 --> 02:41:34,600
that, but we just don't like it.

4600
02:41:34,600 --> 02:41:36,160
They can go from there.

4601
02:41:36,160 --> 02:41:39,000
Thank you. Item number 14.

4602
02:41:39,000 --> 02:41:41,000
Resolution for Ludene, Mark, and

4603
02:41:41,000 --> 02:41:43,040
Marjorie Haskell addition annexation

4604
02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:45,680
petition for consideration of further

4605
02:41:45,680 --> 02:41:48,320
review located at approximately

4606
02:41:48,320 --> 02:41:54,080
10755 South 2100 West consisting of 6.57

4607
02:41:54,080 --> 02:41:55,200
acres.

4608
02:41:55,200 --> 02:42:07,110
Michael.

4609
02:42:07,120 --> 02:42:09,320
» So, these are the properties here. Why

4610
02:42:09,320 --> 02:42:13,710
does it keep going forward? Um

4611
02:42:13,720 --> 02:42:15,640
we'll just continue on to the next one.

4612
02:42:15,640 --> 02:42:18,320
So, uh these are the properties. You can

4613
02:42:18,320 --> 02:42:21,080
see the homes that are existing on the

4614
02:42:21,080 --> 02:42:24,000
east side of 1500 East and then

4615
02:42:24,000 --> 02:42:25,720
a conceptual

4616
02:42:25,720 --> 02:42:27,640
uh lot layout there.

4617
02:42:27,640 --> 02:42:29,040
Um

4618
02:42:29,040 --> 02:42:31,280
the staff met with them a couple times

4619
02:42:31,280 --> 02:42:33,960
on this one. This is the latest

4620
02:42:33,960 --> 02:42:35,880
consideration of a lot layout they gave

4621
02:42:35,880 --> 02:42:38,280
us. We're not in love with it. I know

4622
02:42:38,280 --> 02:42:41,280
that uh I met with

4623
02:42:41,280 --> 02:42:43,600
Joe Jamison on our staff and he was

4624
02:42:43,600 --> 02:42:46,000
telling me how um a vactor truck

4625
02:42:46,000 --> 02:42:48,480
couldn't even get through this area

4626
02:42:48,480 --> 02:42:50,640
right here where they're proposing for

4627
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:53,200
sewer to continue through. So, that's

4628
02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:55,800
obviously an issue that sit the city has

4629
02:42:55,800 --> 02:42:57,880
that would need to be addressed in any

4630
02:42:57,880 --> 02:43:01,280
kind of development layout. Um

4631
02:43:01,280 --> 02:43:03,920
this one also has um

4632
02:43:03,920 --> 02:43:06,600
some concern with the 1500 East because

4633
02:43:06,600 --> 02:43:09,840
1500 East is proposed to be a future

4634
02:43:09,840 --> 02:43:11,960
arterial road that will go all the way

4635
02:43:11,960 --> 02:43:15,280
to the freeway. And so there's a lot of

4636
02:43:15,280 --> 02:43:17,520
right of way here that that potentially

4637
02:43:17,520 --> 02:43:20,080
needs to be preserved. This is

4638
02:43:20,080 --> 02:43:23,960
potentially a good um strategy for the

4639
02:43:23,960 --> 02:43:25,840
city to ensure it if the city were to

4640
02:43:25,840 --> 02:43:28,640
annex it for example is it only annex it

4641
02:43:28,640 --> 02:43:30,880
on condition that that right of way is

4642
02:43:30,880 --> 02:43:31,720
dedicated.

4643
02:43:31,720 --> 02:43:32,320
>> Correct.

4644
02:43:32,320 --> 02:43:34,600
>> Um however

4645
02:43:34,600 --> 02:43:38,080
um you can see uh

4646
02:43:38,080 --> 02:43:41,400
the right of way is the hashed area that

4647
02:43:41,400 --> 02:43:42,920
they're showing here.

4648
02:43:42,920 --> 02:43:44,520
And that's getting really close to some

4649
02:43:44,520 --> 02:43:46,160
of those homes there.

4650
02:43:46,160 --> 02:43:47,520
So

4651
02:43:47,520 --> 02:43:49,560
there's several concerns with this. Uh

4652
02:43:49,560 --> 02:43:52,320
this one by far has had the most public

4653
02:43:52,320 --> 02:43:54,200
comment that's been submitted to us thus

4654
02:43:54,200 --> 02:43:57,240
far. Um the biggest public comments are

4655
02:43:57,240 --> 02:43:59,880
concerned with drainage and concerned

4656
02:43:59,880 --> 02:44:02,880
with lot sizes. Uh the citizens in this

4657
02:44:02,880 --> 02:44:04,600
area feel as if the lots should be

4658
02:44:04,600 --> 02:44:06,960
similar in size to those most

4659
02:44:06,960 --> 02:44:10,120
immediately adjacent to the left. And

4660
02:44:10,120 --> 02:44:11,600
staff

4661
02:44:11,600 --> 02:44:13,480
believes that that's a fair assessment.

4662
02:44:13,480 --> 02:44:15,160
That's why they're asking the

4663
02:44:15,160 --> 02:44:17,400
applicant's asking in their request for

4664
02:44:17,400 --> 02:44:19,360
the R19 and staff would recommend either

4665
02:44:19,360 --> 02:44:23,080
R110 or R115 at a minimum for for these

4666
02:44:23,080 --> 02:44:25,880
areas. Any questions on this one?

4667
02:44:25,880 --> 02:44:27,480
>> I I think it's safe to say too we have

4668
02:44:27,480 --> 02:44:30,160
no idea when that road is is is going to

4669
02:44:30,160 --> 02:44:32,640
happen. Um and it would be wise for the

4670
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:37,040
city to to get that road dedication. How wide it would we require to

4671
02:44:37,040 --> 02:44:39,120
dedicate?

4672
02:44:39,120 --> 02:44:41,640
>> Travis, what is it? 105? 108?

4673
02:44:41,640 --> 02:44:43,640
>> 108 back-to-back.

4674
02:44:43,640 --> 02:44:45,320
>> 118 ft

4675
02:44:45,320 --> 02:44:46,480
>> toe back-to-back.

4676
02:44:46,480 --> 02:44:46,960
>> Wow.

4677
02:44:46,960 --> 02:44:48,520
>> From from back of sidewalk to back of

4678
02:44:48,520 --> 02:44:49,080
sidewalk.

4679
02:44:49,080 --> 02:44:51,880
>> Yeah. So so So this this uh you know

4680
02:44:51,880 --> 02:44:53,240
this annexation is particularly when

4681
02:44:53,240 --> 02:44:54,880
they're they're shrinking a lot sizes

4682
02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:57,280
because they're dedicating so much

4683
02:44:57,280 --> 02:45:00,600
to to the city. Um but uh but yeah, this

4684
02:45:00,600 --> 02:45:05,360
one's in in such a tender spot too and and uh

4685
02:45:05,360 --> 02:45:07,400
the lot sizes, the shape of everything,

4686
02:45:07,400 --> 02:45:09,280
it's this one might need to be part of a

4687
02:45:09,280 --> 02:45:18,550
bigger one in the future.

4688
02:45:18,560 --> 02:45:19,680
» I just worry on this one that we're

4689
02:45:19,680 --> 02:45:21,920
going to use too much

4690
02:45:21,920 --> 02:45:24,720
staff, right? Like resources right now

4691
02:45:24,720 --> 02:45:28,000
until it's a little closer to

4692
02:45:28,000 --> 02:45:28,840
being ready, but

4693
02:45:28,840 --> 02:45:30,480
>> We we don't want to lead anybody along,

4694
02:45:30,480 --> 02:45:31,520
including the applicant and the

4695
02:45:31,520 --> 02:45:32,920
landowner. We don't want to waste staff

4696
02:45:32,920 --> 02:45:34,960
time. And yeah, so it's a delicate

4697
02:45:34,960 --> 02:45:36,720
balance of

4698
02:45:36,720 --> 02:45:39,440
what to have you guys focus on.

4699
02:45:39,440 --> 02:45:41,640
>> Do we want to review it?

4700
02:45:41,640 --> 02:45:42,520
Um

4701
02:45:42,520 --> 02:45:45,120
and and let them tell them I mean

4702
02:45:45,120 --> 02:45:46,840
obviously every one of us are not in

4703
02:45:46,840 --> 02:45:48,960
favor of R19 zone.

4704
02:45:48,960 --> 02:45:50,760
Not in that area.

4705
02:45:50,760 --> 02:45:54,680
Uh particularly if you look to the left,

4706
02:45:54,680 --> 02:45:55,800
um

4707
02:45:55,800 --> 02:45:58,920
those are all larger lots.

4708
02:45:58,920 --> 02:46:00,200
>> Yes, and then like I said before, it's

4709
02:46:00,200 --> 02:46:01,800
that double-edged sword cuz if we wait

4710
02:46:01,800 --> 02:46:05,360
until a a 2 300-acre annexation in this

4711
02:46:05,360 --> 02:46:09,200
property, uh it's going to come with a cost of more density.

4712
02:46:09,200 --> 02:46:09,560
>> Yeah.

4713
02:46:09,560 --> 02:46:11,360
>> And so that is it is that that fine

4714
02:46:11,360 --> 02:46:12,400
line.

4715
02:46:12,400 --> 02:46:14,760
Um and yeah, the the only way to control

4716
02:46:14,760 --> 02:46:17,120
our neighbor's property is to buy it.

4717
02:46:17,120 --> 02:46:19,840
Right? And so it's it's a hard thing. Um

4718
02:46:19,840 --> 02:46:22,800
but this one may not be timely yet.

4719
02:46:22,800 --> 02:46:25,400
>> Uh if I may interject, the applicant is

4720
02:46:25,400 --> 02:46:26,720
here if you want to ask them any

4721
02:46:26,720 --> 02:46:30,120
specific questions. So

4722
02:46:30,120 --> 02:46:31,360
>> Yeah, I just have a couple things on

4723
02:46:31,360 --> 02:46:33,480
this. This is going to be a challenging

4724
02:46:33,480 --> 02:46:35,560
piece and yes, it I think that the

4725
02:46:35,560 --> 02:46:37,920
density needs to be less,

4726
02:46:37,920 --> 02:46:39,840
but I still don't have a problem with

4727
02:46:39,840 --> 02:46:42,000
reviewing it, but just knowing that the

4728
02:46:42,000 --> 02:46:44,040
applicant knows that this could be a

4729
02:46:44,040 --> 02:46:48,390
real challenge.

4730
02:46:48,400 --> 02:46:49,440
» I agree.

4731
02:46:49,440 --> 02:46:51,440
Um

4732
02:46:51,440 --> 02:46:53,960
not a public hearing, so staff any other

4733
02:46:53,960 --> 02:46:56,120
or council any other

4734
02:46:56,120 --> 02:46:58,000
comments or questions?

4735
02:46:58,000 --> 02:47:00,120
I would entertain a motion.

4736
02:47:00,120 --> 02:47:02,000
>> Make a motion that we approve the Lou

4737
02:47:02,000 --> 02:47:04,720
Dean Mark and Marjorie Haskell addition

4738
02:47:04,720 --> 02:47:07,200
annexation petition for consideration of

4739
02:47:07,200 --> 02:47:09,360
further review located approximately

4740
02:47:09,360 --> 02:47:11,080
1755

4741
02:47:11,080 --> 02:47:14,880
South 2100 West consisting of 6.57

4742
02:47:14,880 --> 02:47:16,000
acres.

4743
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:17,040
>> I have a motion.

4744
02:47:17,040 --> 02:47:20,360
>> It's 10,000 not 1,000.

4745
02:47:20,360 --> 02:47:23,470
Thank you.

4746
02:47:23,480 --> 02:47:25,040
» Motion, do I have a second?

4747
02:47:25,040 --> 02:47:25,840
>> Second.

4748
02:47:25,840 --> 02:47:27,840
>> I have a motion and a second.

4749
02:47:27,840 --> 02:47:34,070
Start with council member Moss.

4750
02:47:34,080 --> 02:47:37,630
» I'm going either way.

4751
02:47:37,640 --> 02:47:40,920
It's out for review, I'll say yes.

4752
02:47:40,920 --> 02:47:43,320
>> Um council member Probstgaard, yes.

4753
02:47:43,320 --> 02:47:44,440
Council member Rowley.

4754
02:47:44,440 --> 02:47:45,640
>> No.

4755
02:47:45,640 --> 02:47:46,520
>> Council member Hulet.

4756
02:47:46,520 --> 02:47:47,400
>> Yes.

4757
02:47:47,400 --> 02:47:48,760
>> Council member Smith.

4758
02:47:48,760 --> 02:47:50,120
>> No.

4759
02:47:50,120 --> 02:47:51,920
>> Motion passes

4760
02:47:51,920 --> 02:47:53,920
for review.

4761
02:47:53,920 --> 02:47:59,510
Item number 15 has been tabled.

4762
02:47:59,520 --> 02:48:02,040
Okay, I would consider a motion to table

4763
02:48:02,040 --> 02:48:03,680
item number 15.

4764
02:48:03,680 --> 02:48:04,560
>> So moved.

4765
02:48:04,560 --> 02:48:06,280
>> Second.

4766
02:48:06,280 --> 02:48:07,360
>> Council member Moss.

4767
02:48:07,360 --> 02:48:07,840
>> Yes.

4768
02:48:07,840 --> 02:48:09,840
>> Council member Probstgaard, yes. Council

4769
02:48:09,840 --> 02:48:11,080
member Rowley.

4770
02:48:11,080 --> 02:48:12,720
>> Yes.

4771
02:48:12,720 --> 02:48:13,600
>> You know what you're voting on?

4772
02:48:13,600 --> 02:48:15,040
>> Mhm.

4773
02:48:15,040 --> 02:48:16,120
>> Council member Hulet.

4774
02:48:16,120 --> 02:48:16,760
>> Yes.

4775
02:48:16,760 --> 02:48:17,840
>> Council member Smith.

4776
02:48:17,840 --> 02:48:20,160
>> Yes.

4777
02:48:20,160 --> 02:48:23,710
>> Brian.

4778
02:48:23,720 --> 02:48:26,040
Uh council or item number F, I would

4779
02:48:26,040 --> 02:48:28,160
accept a motion to adjourn to the

4780
02:48:28,160 --> 02:48:29,840
redevelopment agency.

4781
02:48:29,840 --> 02:48:30,920
>> So moved.

4782
02:48:30,920 --> 02:48:31,760
>> Second.

4783
02:48:31,760 --> 02:48:33,320
>> Have a motion and a second. Council

4784
02:48:33,320 --> 02:48:34,520
member Smith.

4785
02:48:34,520 --> 02:48:35,480
>> Yes.

4786
02:48:35,480 --> 02:48:36,280
>> Council member Hulet.

4787
02:48:36,280 --> 02:48:36,840
>> Yes.

4788
02:48:36,840 --> 02:48:37,760
>> Council member Rowley.

4789
02:48:37,760 --> 02:48:38,400
>> Yes.

4790
02:48:38,400 --> 02:48:40,640
>> Council member Probstgaard, yes. Council

4791
02:48:40,640 --> 02:48:41,320
member Moss.

4792
02:48:41,320 --> 02:48:42,960
>> Yes.

4793
02:48:42,960 --> 02:48:44,800
>> We are now as

4794
02:48:44,800 --> 02:48:46,840
directors and we are in the a

4795
02:48:46,840 --> 02:48:54,110
redevelopment agency setting.

4796
02:48:54,120 --> 02:48:55,120
» May I

4797
02:48:55,120 --> 02:48:57,800
We reviewed this once already as I said

4798
02:48:57,800 --> 02:48:59,640
the redevelopment for the town is a

4799
02:48:59,640 --> 02:49:01,600
Walgreens economic development

4800
02:49:01,600 --> 02:49:04,160
agreement. And the redevelopment

4801
02:49:04,160 --> 02:49:06,440
business park is innovation center with

4802
02:49:06,440 --> 02:49:09,520
the addition of the road.

4803
02:49:09,520 --> 02:49:11,040
Do you have any questions on it I can

4804
02:49:11,040 --> 02:49:17,310
help you with?

4805
02:49:17,320 --> 02:49:19,000
» Oh, this is this is what I brought up

4806
02:49:19,000 --> 02:49:21,800
earlier, right? Um

4807
02:49:21,800 --> 02:49:24,280
I guess one idea I have I wonder if if

4808
02:49:24,280 --> 02:49:30,440
instead of replacing the entirety of American way because of fear that I

4809
02:49:30,440 --> 02:49:32,600
have of rapid growth in that area which

4810
02:49:32,600 --> 02:49:34,760
I'm hopeful for and then tearing it back

4811
02:49:34,760 --> 02:49:36,520
up to to tie in everybody's utilities. I

4812
02:49:36,520 --> 02:49:37,480
wonder if

4813
02:49:37,480 --> 02:49:41,000
instead of approving the 504

4814
02:49:41,000 --> 02:49:42,800
we just I wonder if we should just

4815
02:49:42,800 --> 02:49:45,880
approve up to $200,000

4816
02:49:45,880 --> 02:49:48,200
to to slurry and crack seal and to do a

4817
02:49:48,200 --> 02:49:50,440
few other hot button items that will

4818
02:49:50,440 --> 02:49:52,080
help preserve it into the future rather

4819
02:49:52,080 --> 02:49:56,870
than totally repaving it.

4820
02:49:56,880 --> 02:49:58,040
I'm open for any other ideas or

4821
02:49:58,040 --> 02:49:58,920
discussion on that too.

4822
02:49:58,920 --> 02:50:01,320
>> Yeah, I I think I would rather approve

4823
02:50:01,320 --> 02:50:02,960
prove it

4824
02:50:02,960 --> 02:50:05,560
and then see what the connections are

4825
02:50:05,560 --> 02:50:06,640
going to be.

4826
02:50:06,640 --> 02:50:08,480
My concern is is that we're going to

4827
02:50:08,480 --> 02:50:12,880
lose the integrity of the the sub structure of the asphalt and

4828
02:50:12,880 --> 02:50:14,720
it'll cost us a double.

4829
02:50:14,720 --> 02:50:16,520
That that's my concern if we go through

4830
02:50:16,520 --> 02:50:18,000
another winter.

4831
02:50:18,000 --> 02:50:20,040
Maybe we could limp through this winter

4832
02:50:20,040 --> 02:50:22,320
but my concern is I don't want to have

4833
02:50:22,320 --> 02:50:24,720
to pay it double.

4834
02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:25,880
Uh

4835
02:50:25,880 --> 02:50:28,400
hopefully whatever's coming

4836
02:50:28,400 --> 02:50:31,280
we'll dig out into that road and get it

4837
02:50:31,280 --> 02:50:33,280
done

4838
02:50:33,280 --> 02:50:34,880
in a timely manner.

4839
02:50:34,880 --> 02:50:37,200
I I I think that would be the best say.

4840
02:50:37,200 --> 02:50:38,640
>> Yeah, I'd like to leave the way it is,

4841
02:50:38,640 --> 02:50:41,000
but let Travis and Kent do a little more

4842
02:50:41,000 --> 02:50:43,320
study on and see what they think would

4843
02:50:43,320 --> 02:50:45,360
be the best to

4844
02:50:45,360 --> 02:50:47,760
make sure we preserve it but in a timely

4845
02:50:47,760 --> 02:50:50,920
manner and cost-effective manner.

4846
02:50:50,920 --> 02:50:53,200
>> But before we move forward, I would I

4847
02:50:53,200 --> 02:50:55,400
would like Ryan, if that's okay,

4848
02:50:55,400 --> 02:50:57,080
to come back to council and approve

4849
02:50:57,080 --> 02:50:57,880
that.

4850
02:50:57,880 --> 02:50:59,400
>> You want to do the same stipulation you

4851
02:50:59,400 --> 02:50:59,680
did on

4852
02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:01,400
>> Yeah, the same stipulation that we don't

4853
02:51:01,400 --> 02:51:03,160
spend this money until

4854
02:51:03,160 --> 02:51:04,560
council has one more opportunity to

4855
02:51:04,560 --> 02:51:05,960
review it.

4856
02:51:05,960 --> 02:51:07,800
>> Yeah, at the very least. Yep.

4857
02:51:07,800 --> 02:51:10,160
>> Cuz not knowing what the WICP is going

4858
02:51:10,160 --> 02:51:12,040
to do, it might be good for us to wait

4859
02:51:12,040 --> 02:51:12,880
till then anyway.

4860
02:51:12,880 --> 02:51:13,400
>> That's right.

4861
02:51:13,400 --> 02:51:15,000
>> It'll be spring time.

4862
02:51:15,000 --> 02:51:17,880
>> Yeah, and yep. Yeah, I Yeah.

4863
02:51:17,880 --> 02:51:19,120
>> But we would definitely come back to you

4864
02:51:19,120 --> 02:51:20,680
if you wanted to do it that way.

4865
02:51:20,680 --> 02:51:21,920
>> And we got to see what Rocky Mountain

4866
02:51:21,920 --> 02:51:23,960
ATV is going to do in Patterson. So

4867
02:51:23,960 --> 02:51:26,360
those are the big big three right there.

4868
02:51:26,360 --> 02:51:27,960
If we knew what those three were doing,

4869
02:51:27,960 --> 02:51:29,560
that pretty well covers most of what's

4870
02:51:29,560 --> 02:51:30,360
left.

4871
02:51:30,360 --> 02:51:32,800
>> This will cover it cover till the end of

4872
02:51:32,800 --> 02:51:33,920
June of next year.

4873
02:51:33,920 --> 02:51:34,520
>> Right.

4874
02:51:34,520 --> 02:51:36,760
>> So

4875
02:51:36,760 --> 02:51:38,440
Does that that make sense?

4876
02:51:38,440 --> 02:51:39,800
Okay.

4877
02:51:39,800 --> 02:51:41,800
Any further discussion?

4878
02:51:41,800 --> 02:51:43,000
Then I would entertain a motion

4879
02:51:43,000 --> 02:51:44,000
>> hearing first.

4880
02:51:44,000 --> 02:51:44,960
>> Or

4881
02:51:44,960 --> 02:51:45,480
Excuse me?

4882
02:51:45,480 --> 02:51:47,280
>> You need to have a public hearing first.

4883
02:51:47,280 --> 02:51:48,840
>> Oh.

4884
02:51:48,840 --> 02:51:51,640
Keep waiting for Ross to get up.

4885
02:51:51,640 --> 02:51:53,600
Motion to open a public hearing as a

4886
02:51:53,600 --> 02:51:56,400
re-de- redevelopment agency

4887
02:51:56,400 --> 02:51:58,320
uh concerning

4888
02:51:58,320 --> 02:52:01,040
uh the RDA development money.

4889
02:52:01,040 --> 02:52:01,880
>> So moved.

4890
02:52:01,880 --> 02:52:03,640
>> Second.

4891
02:52:03,640 --> 02:52:05,400
>> Council member Moss.

4892
02:52:05,400 --> 02:52:07,400
Director. Director Moss. Director

4893
02:52:07,400 --> 02:52:09,480
Probstgaard. Yes. Director Rowley.

4894
02:52:09,480 --> 02:52:10,200
>> Yes.

4895
02:52:10,200 --> 02:52:11,320
>> Director Hewlett.

4896
02:52:11,320 --> 02:52:11,680
>> Yes.

4897
02:52:11,680 --> 02:52:12,600
>> And Director Smith.

4898
02:52:12,600 --> 02:52:13,600
>> Yes.

4899
02:52:13,600 --> 02:52:16,200
>> Public hearing is open.

4900
02:52:16,200 --> 02:52:17,920
You can see the numbers that are before

4901
02:52:17,920 --> 02:52:18,880
us

4902
02:52:18,880 --> 02:52:21,400
uh with what's proposing.

4903
02:52:21,400 --> 02:52:23,360
Uh the the one

4904
02:52:23,360 --> 02:52:25,120
critical one is

4905
02:52:25,120 --> 02:52:26,880
American Way

4906
02:52:26,880 --> 02:52:28,680
uh is needing to to have some

4907
02:52:28,680 --> 02:52:30,840
maintenance done on it and

4908
02:52:30,840 --> 02:52:32,960
uh we're we're discussing back and forth

4909
02:52:32,960 --> 02:52:34,800
how we want to

4910
02:52:34,800 --> 02:52:36,560
protect those monies and not just pour

4911
02:52:36,560 --> 02:52:41,030
it down a hole.

4912
02:52:41,040 --> 02:52:42,000
» And that's obviously in the

4913
02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:43,280
improvements.

4914
02:52:43,280 --> 02:52:43,920
Yes.

4915
02:52:43,920 --> 02:52:47,760
>> also some landscaping for $100,000

4916
02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:49,240
that was requested in that budget. So,

4917
02:52:49,240 --> 02:52:50,320
those are the two items that

4918
02:52:50,320 --> 02:52:52,200
>> It's also landscaping for what?

4919
02:52:52,200 --> 02:52:54,840
>> The uh, RDA itself.

4920
02:52:54,840 --> 02:52:56,440
>> Okay.

4921
02:52:56,440 --> 02:52:57,840
It's the entrance way.

4922
02:52:57,840 --> 02:52:58,680
>> ways.

4923
02:52:58,680 --> 02:52:59,200
>> Yeah.

4924
02:52:59,200 --> 02:52:59,840
>> with signs.

4925
02:52:59,840 --> 02:53:01,840
>> I think well, is it the signs?

4926
02:53:01,840 --> 02:53:02,560
>> Signage.

4927
02:53:02,560 --> 02:53:03,960
>> we've been work- we've been working with

4928
02:53:03,960 --> 02:53:06,200
Central Utah like for a conservation

4929
02:53:06,200 --> 02:53:08,880
garden with the different types of

4930
02:53:08,880 --> 02:53:09,680
uh, landscaping.

4931
02:53:09,680 --> 02:53:10,960
>> On both ends of American Way with

4932
02:53:10,960 --> 02:53:11,720
signage.

4933
02:53:11,720 --> 02:53:12,120
>> That is

4934
02:53:12,120 --> 02:53:13,640
>> I think it's just the landscape. I don't

4935
02:53:13,640 --> 02:53:16,200
think the signage is in this.

4936
02:53:16,200 --> 02:53:16,480
>> But I

4937
02:53:16,480 --> 02:53:17,960
>> Just just the landscape?

4938
02:53:17,960 --> 02:53:19,720
>> Yeah, I think we do need to come back

4939
02:53:19,720 --> 02:53:21,360
with signage so at some point.

4940
02:53:21,360 --> 02:53:23,320
>> I was hoping to see some sweet uh,

4941
02:53:23,320 --> 02:53:25,400
signage in in uh,

4942
02:53:25,400 --> 02:53:29,680
in that, but uh, landscaping uh,

4943
02:53:29,680 --> 02:53:31,080
Okay. Yeah, I just wonder if we have a

4944
02:53:31,080 --> 02:53:32,520
lot of lawn there Don already. We going

4945
02:53:32,520 --> 02:53:33,480
to get rid of some of that and do

4946
02:53:33,480 --> 02:53:35,600
something different or what was the

4947
02:53:35,600 --> 02:53:36,480
Okay.

4948
02:53:36,480 --> 02:53:37,400
>> Yeah, we were going to have like a

4949
02:53:37,400 --> 02:53:39,200
conservation garden in conjunction with

4950
02:53:39,200 --> 02:53:41,840
uh, Central Utah Water so that we could

4951
02:53:41,840 --> 02:53:44,160
people could see what conservation could

4952
02:53:44,160 --> 02:53:45,920
do, what types of plants they could

4953
02:53:45,920 --> 02:53:46,440
>> that are

4954
02:53:46,440 --> 02:53:47,360
>> grow and

4955
02:53:47,360 --> 02:53:49,200
>> tolerant for our climate and and drought

4956
02:53:49,200 --> 02:53:50,240
situation.

4957
02:53:50,240 --> 02:53:50,800
>> types.

4958
02:53:50,800 --> 02:53:51,240
>> Mhm.

4959
02:53:51,240 --> 02:53:52,040
>> Okay.

4960
02:53:52,040 --> 02:53:53,560
They they helped us design it. We just

4961
02:53:53,560 --> 02:53:55,560
needed to get some funding to hopefully

4962
02:53:55,560 --> 02:53:56,200
finish it.

4963
02:53:56,200 --> 02:53:58,160
>> And also some improvements to the the

4964
02:53:58,160 --> 02:53:59,240
detention basin.

4965
02:53:59,240 --> 02:54:00,160
>> Yeah, that detention

4966
02:54:00,160 --> 02:54:01,920
>> make it look nicer.

4967
02:54:01,920 --> 02:54:04,280
>> Not seeing anyone from the public uh,

4968
02:54:04,280 --> 02:54:06,600
any online Emily?

4969
02:54:06,600 --> 02:54:08,240
Okay, I would have I'd entertain a

4970
02:54:08,240 --> 02:54:10,120
motion to close the public hearing.

4971
02:54:10,120 --> 02:54:10,960
>> So moved.

4972
02:54:10,960 --> 02:54:11,840
>> Second.

4973
02:54:11,840 --> 02:54:14,280
>> Have a motion and a second. Director

4974
02:54:14,280 --> 02:54:14,840
Smith.

4975
02:54:14,840 --> 02:54:15,520
>> Yes.

4976
02:54:15,520 --> 02:54:16,360
>> Director

4977
02:54:16,360 --> 02:54:17,200
>> Yes.

4978
02:54:17,200 --> 02:54:17,760
>> Voting.

4979
02:54:17,760 --> 02:54:18,440
>> Yes.

4980
02:54:18,440 --> 02:54:20,640
>> Close the public hearing. Director

4981
02:54:20,640 --> 02:54:21,120
>> Moss.

4982
02:54:21,120 --> 02:54:22,560
>> Yes.

4983
02:54:22,560 --> 02:54:25,600
>> Any further discussion council or

4984
02:54:25,600 --> 02:54:28,830
directors?

4985
02:54:28,840 --> 02:54:29,680
I can

4986
02:54:29,680 --> 02:54:32,520
>> I make a motion that uh

4987
02:54:32,520 --> 02:54:35,280
we approve the resolution of the RDA

4988
02:54:35,280 --> 02:54:36,720
fiscal year

4989
02:54:36,720 --> 02:54:38,840
2026-2027

4990
02:54:38,840 --> 02:54:42,080
budget with the amendment that the 500

4991
02:54:42,080 --> 02:54:44,080
plus thousand that was designated for

4992
02:54:44,080 --> 02:54:45,880
the overlay of American Way come back

4993
02:54:45,880 --> 02:54:48,200
before the directors before funds are

4994
02:54:48,200 --> 02:54:50,040
approved.

4995
02:54:50,040 --> 02:54:53,240
>> Have a motion. Have a second.

4996
02:54:53,240 --> 02:54:53,400
>> Um

4997
02:54:53,400 --> 02:54:55,000
>> Who'd you get, Emily?

4998
02:54:55,000 --> 02:54:55,760
>> Brian.

4999
02:54:55,760 --> 02:54:57,360
okay.

5000
02:54:57,360 --> 02:54:58,280
Council member Smith.

5001
02:54:58,280 --> 02:54:59,080
>> Yes.

5002
02:54:59,080 --> 02:54:59,920
>> Council member Hewlett.

5003
02:54:59,920 --> 02:55:01,000
>> Yes.

5004
02:55:01,000 --> 02:55:03,120
>> Director Smith.

5005
02:55:03,120 --> 02:55:03,560
>> Yes.

5006
02:55:03,560 --> 02:55:05,760
>> Director Hewlett. Yes. Director Rowley.

5007
02:55:05,760 --> 02:55:06,320
>> Yes.

5008
02:55:06,320 --> 02:55:09,320
>> Director Prostgaard. Yes. Director

5009
02:55:09,320 --> 02:55:09,840
Moss.

5010
02:55:09,840 --> 02:55:10,720
>> Yes.

5011
02:55:10,720 --> 02:55:12,760
>> Motion carries.

5012
02:55:12,760 --> 02:55:15,960
I would entertain a motion to adjourn

5013
02:55:15,960 --> 02:55:17,760
from the redevelopment agency.

5014
02:55:17,760 --> 02:55:18,400
>> So moved.

5015
02:55:18,400 --> 02:55:19,360
>> Second.

5016
02:55:19,360 --> 02:55:21,080
>> Have a motion and a second. Director

5017
02:55:21,080 --> 02:55:21,880
Moss.

5018
02:55:21,880 --> 02:55:22,640
>> Yes.

5019
02:55:22,640 --> 02:55:24,560
>> Director Prostgaard. Yes.

5020
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:25,920
Director Ro- uh Rowley.

5021
02:55:25,920 --> 02:55:26,720
>> Yes.

5022
02:55:26,720 --> 02:55:27,520
>> Director Hewlett.

5023
02:55:27,520 --> 02:55:28,200
>> Yes.

5024
02:55:28,200 --> 02:55:29,320
>> Director Smith.

5025
02:55:29,320 --> 02:55:30,720
>> Yes.

5026
02:55:30,720 --> 02:55:32,440
>> I would entertain a motion for the last

5027
02:55:32,440 --> 02:55:33,520
item.

5028
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:35,360
>> So moved. A motion to adjourn.

5029
02:55:35,360 --> 02:55:37,360
>> Second.

5030
02:55:37,360 --> 02:55:39,720
>> I just want to say all in favor, but

5031
02:55:39,720 --> 02:55:40,560
>> That's good.

5032
02:55:40,560 --> 02:55:41,440
>> That's fine. We can do

5033
02:55:41,440 --> 02:55:42,280
>> All in favor on this.

5034
02:55:42,280 --> 02:55:43,040
>> Yeah. Aye.

5035
02:55:43,040 --> 02:55:44,200
>> Aye.

5036
02:55:44,200 --> 02:55:44,760
>> Let's go home.

5037
02:55:44,760 --> 02:55:46,120
>> Thank you, Mayor Caldwell. That's a big

5038
02:55:46,120 --> 02:55:47,920
agenda.

5039
02:55:47,920 --> 02:55:48,600
Appreciate it.

5040
02:55:48,600 --> 02:55:51,640
>> I feel like we can stop.