[0:09] Payson and friends of Payson.
[0:12] It's 6:06 p.m. right on the dot.
[0:16] Uh
[0:17] before we get started, I would accept a
[0:19] motion
[0:20] to appoint mayor pro tem for this
[0:22] evening.
[0:23] >> I motion that we
[0:25] approve Bob Provost Guard as the mayor
[0:27] pro tem for this evening in the absence
[0:29] of Mayor Wright.
[0:30] >> I'll second.
[0:31] >> I have a motion and a second. All in
[0:32] favor, Council Lacey.
[0:34] >> Yes.
[0:35] >> Council Brian.
[0:35] >> Yes.
[0:36] >> Council Ryan.
[0:37] >> Yes.
[0:38] >> Council Land.
[0:39] >> Yes.
[0:40] >> Motion carries.
[0:42] All right.
[0:43] Um
[0:45] I've asked Tracy Zobell if he would give
[0:47] us an opening prayer and then Shawn
[0:49] Black will lead us in the pledge of
[0:50] allegiance.
[0:57] » Our dear Father in heaven, we come to
[0:59] the
[1:00] opening of this council meeting where
[1:02] we're grateful that we can meet together
[1:04] tonight to discuss the issues of Payson
[1:06] City.
[1:07] We ask you to please bless the leaders
[1:08] of the city, particularly the council
[1:10] tonight that
[1:11] they can make the best decisions for the
[1:13] citizens and the staff.
[1:15] We're thankful for this beautiful place
[1:17] we live and for the
[1:18] opportunity we have to discuss things.
[1:21] We ask a blessing that we may receive
[1:23] some moisture and
[1:25] rain or any form of moisture that to get
[1:27] us through the season and get us to
[1:29] winter.
[1:30] Again, Father, we're very grateful for
[1:33] the people that volunteer and work and
[1:36] serve this community to make it better.
[1:39] We're thankful for
[1:41] all those that are
[1:43] out serving our country at this time.
[1:46] We ask a blessing on them and pray for
[1:49] all those who
[1:50] need anything at this time, whether it's
[1:52] physical, emotional, or mental.
[1:54] Please ask I plead ask you to bless them
[1:57] and
[1:58] please bless us tonight as we travel. We
[1:59] may do so in safety. We say this in the
[2:01] name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
[2:02] >> Amen. Thank you.
[2:05] Uh item C, consent agenda.
[2:08] Everybody had the opportunity to review.
[2:09] >> We need the pledge. Mr. Mayor, the
[2:11] pledge.
[2:11] >> Oh, sorry. Sorry, Sean.
[2:18] » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[2:21] United States of America and to the
[2:23] republic for which it stands, one nation
[2:27] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[2:30] justice for all.
[2:36] » All right. Now, item C, consent agenda.
[2:39] Council, have you had any opportunity to
[2:42] review?
[2:43] Any Any changes or suggestions?
[2:47] » I motion that we approve the consent
[2:49] agenda.
[2:49] >> I'll second.
[2:51] >> Have a motion and a second. All in
[2:53] favor? I. I.
[2:55] Consent agenda passes.
[2:58] Uh
[2:59] petitions, item D.
[3:01] >> It doesn't say roll call votes, so
[3:03] >> Doesn't say roll call? Okay.
[3:05] Then I'll go. Councilwoman
[3:07] >> Yes.
[3:07] >> Councilman
[3:08] >> Yes.
[3:09] >> Councilman
[3:10] >> Yes.
[3:10] >> Councilwoman
[3:11] >> Yes.
[3:12] >> You get that?
[3:14] Sorry.
[3:16] Uh
[3:17] item D.
[3:19] We will uh we have no report from Steve
[3:22] today, so we'll table
[3:24] uh or not not entertain I-15 update to
[3:27] this evening.
[3:29] Item number two, youth recognition of
[3:31] youth city council seniors, Shelby and
[3:33] Ryan.
[3:42] » Sorry, I couldn't see over my
[3:45] prizes we're handing out here.
[3:47] Uh residents and uh city staff, city
[3:49] council, mayor pro temp, uh we'd like to
[3:51] invite our outgoing youth city council
[3:54] members that are leaving us to go on to
[3:56] bigger and better things. If we can have
[3:57] Ella and Josh and Zeke come stand up
[3:59] here with me.
[4:07] So, these are our three graduating
[4:09] seniors and they were with us from the
[4:11] beginning. Just You were a little late,
[4:12] but you you you got on board pretty
[4:14] quick. But uh but they they came on at
[4:17] the beginning of this year when Shelby
[4:18] and I actually were able to meet
[4:20] organize and restart the youth city
[4:22] council. We didn't have a lot to go on.
[4:24] Shelby and I talked to Springville city
[4:26] to see what they were doing, got a few
[4:27] ideas, and then the rest of it uh we
[4:29] made up as we went and I think it turned
[4:31] out really good. And uh these youth uh
[4:34] these three in particular are pivotal. I
[4:36] am sad to see them leave. They were
[4:37] leaders. They came up with some of the
[4:39] best ideas. They were reliable. They
[4:41] showed up. And they asked really good
[4:43] questions and were extra respectful and
[4:45] just fun to be around. And so, on behalf
[4:48] of myself, rest of city council, to Josh
[4:51] and Ella and Zeke, we are going to miss
[4:53] you. And so, uh I'm going to invite
[4:55] Shelby to come up and share a few words.
[4:57] And then after she's finished, if you'll
[4:59] please just share with us uh one thing you liked about youth city
[5:02] council and then share with us what
[5:04] you're doing
[5:05] after now that you're big kids now,
[5:07] okay?
[5:08] >> Big kids.
[5:12] Okay, I wrote a whole thing for you
[5:14] guys.
[5:15] >> [laughter]
[5:16] >> So, this is one of those bittersweet
[5:17] moments that comes with being an advisor
[5:19] for youth.
[5:21] Tonight, we celebrate the
[5:22] accomplishments of our seniors and look
[5:23] forward to all that lies ahead for them.
[5:26] But if I'm being honest, this is also
[5:27] the part where we realize some of the
[5:28] best leaders are leaving us and we start
[5:30] wondering how we're possibly going to
[5:32] replace them.
[5:33] The truth is, you don't replace people
[5:35] like Ella, Ezekiel, and Josh. Every
[5:37] youth council member leaves their own
[5:38] mark and these three have left a big
[5:40] one.
[5:41] Ella was one of the very first members
[5:43] of the new Payson youth council. When
[5:46] you help start something from the
[5:48] beginning, you help shape what it
[5:50] becomes.
[5:51] Ella has been there through the growth,
[5:52] the changes, the activities, and all the
[5:54] moments in between.
[5:56] More than anything, she has always
[5:57] brought fun. Every group needs people
[6:00] who make service enjoyable and help
[6:01] create memories along the way, and Ella
[6:04] has done exactly that.
[6:05] Youth Council simply would not be the
[6:07] same without her energy, sense of humor,
[6:09] and willingness to jump into whatever
[6:11] idea we had.
[6:13] Ezequiel also joined us early on, and
[6:15] his first real day as a Youth Council
[6:17] member set a pretty high standard. While
[6:20] most people ease into new activities,
[6:23] Ezequiel's introduction to Youth Council
[6:25] was Local Officials Day at the State
[6:26] Capitol.
[6:28] For those who have participated in that,
[6:30] you know that it's one of our favorite
[6:32] activities every year, but it can be a
[6:35] lot.
[6:36] Since then, he has grown into an
[6:37] incredible leader and now serves as our
[6:39] Youth Assistant Mayor. He has
[6:41] represented our group with
[6:42] professionalism, dedication, and a
[6:44] willingness to serve others. Watching
[6:47] him step into leadership roles has been
[6:48] a privilege, and our city is better
[6:50] because of his involvement. Then there's
[6:52] Josh.
[6:53] >> [laughter]
[6:56] [gasps]
[6:56] >> Josh may have joined Youth Council a
[6:58] little later than the others, but from
[7:00] the moment he got involved, he made a
[7:01] tremendous impact, not only on Youth
[7:03] Council, but also on our Youth Court.
[7:05] Throughout high school, Josh has
[7:07] faithfully served in Youth Court, and
[7:08] honestly, I don't know what I would have
[7:09] done without him when I first took over
[7:11] the position.
[7:13] When I stepped into that role, Josh knew
[7:15] more about Youth Court than I did. He
[7:17] patiently helped me figure out what
[7:18] Youth Court was, how it worked, and how
[7:20] to keep it organized and running.
[7:22] There are very few students who leave an
[7:23] organization better than they found it,
[7:25] and Josh is absolutely one of those
[7:26] people.
[7:27] As advisers, we hope that students learn
[7:29] leadership, service, and responsibility
[7:31] through programs like Youth Council.
[7:33] But if I'm being honest, sometimes the
[7:34] students teach us just as much. These
[7:36] three have reminded us that leadership
[7:38] isn't always about being the loudest
[7:39] person in the room. It's about showing
[7:41] up consistently, serving others, making
[7:43] people feel included,
[7:45] and leaving things better than you found
[7:47] them.
[7:48] Over time, we've shared meetings,
[7:50] activities, service projects, trips, and
[7:52] countless memories together. There have
[7:54] been early mornings, long events, group
[7:56] photos that took probably a little too
[7:58] long, and enough food to sustain a small
[8:01] army, which that is not an exaggeration.
[8:04] >> [laughter]
[8:05] >> Through all of it, Ella, Ezekiel, and
[8:06] Josh have helped create the community
[8:08] that makes Payson Youth Council special.
[8:11] To our seniors, thank you. Thank you for
[8:13] your time, leadership, service, and
[8:15] example you've set for younger members.
[8:17] Thank you for making us laugh, for
[8:18] stepping up when needed, and for helping
[8:20] build a program that future students
[8:22] will continue to benefit from.
[8:24] While we're excited for all that lies
[8:25] ahead for you, know that you leave
[8:27] behind a legacy here in Payson Youth
[8:29] Council. We are proud of the people you
[8:30] have become, and we can't wait to see
[8:32] what comes next.
[8:39] » You start talking
[8:40] >> so sure.
[8:44] » Uh one of the things I loved about Youth
[8:46] Council was just being able to get
[8:49] involved and look behind the scenes and
[8:51] see
[8:52] everything that the city and local
[8:54] government really does for us.
[8:57] Um
[8:57] after this, I plan on serving a church
[8:59] mission, and then studying architecture
[9:02] in college.
[9:03] >> Have your call?
[9:04] >> Not yet.
[9:05] Okay.
[9:06] Thanks, Zeke. Let's give Zeke a round of
[9:07] applause.
[9:13] » Um okay, I say this every single time,
[9:15] but my favorite thing about um being a
[9:17] part of Payson City Youth Council is
[9:19] hanging out with Ryan and Shelby.
[9:21] And there's it's there's a lot more to
[9:22] it than just hanging out with two
[9:24] amazing people, but like I think it's so
[9:26] cool for the youth to be able to
[9:28] be in a setting where they get to see
[9:30] like things that you don't really see.
[9:31] Like you're like, "Ooh, city council
[9:33] meetings are scary, and that's where all
[9:35] the adults are." And but it's like it's
[9:37] cooler than like it's perceived and so
[9:40] it's cool to
[9:41] have a thing where the youth can see how
[9:44] a city is run and all the little bits
[9:46] and pieces that go into it and that
[9:49] that's my favorite part of city council
[9:51] and all that fun jazz. Anyways,
[9:53] um I plan
[9:54] I'm going to go and I'm going to serve a
[9:56] mission for the Church of Jesus Christ
[9:57] of Latter Day Saints and then afterwards
[9:59] go to college and all that stuff. Yeah.
[10:03] Mhm.
[10:09] » I I definitely have to say my favorite
[10:11] thing about the
[10:13] youth city council is just the
[10:14] connection between
[10:16] uh everyone there. There's always uh
[10:19] good community there.
[10:20] Um
[10:21] and my plans
[10:23] now it's the a church service mission in
[10:26] Fort Worth, Texas and uh
[10:28] after that hopefully college.
[10:35] I am.
[10:47] » And thanks to all the parents for
[10:48] supporting them as well.
[10:58] » I sure am.
[11:07] » Thanks.
[11:18] » Uh September.
[11:26] » That's nice budget nice. We're going to
[11:27] turn the decision making over to them.
[11:29] We're going to sit and listen now.
[11:31] >> Nobody?
[11:32] >> Yeah, it's a great idea.
[11:39] » Okay, moving on to
[11:41] uh open public forum.
[11:43] Uh I'd like to I'd like to say one thing
[11:45] before we
[11:47] go to the public forum.
[11:49] Items 11, 12, and
[11:52] 13. Am I got that right?
[11:56] 12, 13, and 14.
[11:58] Items 12, 13, and 14
[12:01] is merely uh this evening force for
[12:04] council to either accept or reject
[12:08] uh the annexation petition, which will,
[12:11] if we accept it, will allow staff
[12:14] to go to work and get the information
[12:17] that we need to make an educated
[12:19] decision on whether we
[12:22] would like to bring it in. So, there's
[12:23] no official public hearing this evening
[12:26] on that, but if you would like to say
[12:28] something concerning that this evening,
[12:32] we'd like to have maybe two or three of
[12:34] those that may be here that would like
[12:36] to say something, and if they would keep
[12:38] their comments to a minimum of 3
[12:40] minutes.
[12:42] Thank you.
[12:43] I would accept a motion for the public forum.
[12:48] » Yeah.
[12:48] >> Oh, public forum is open.
[12:51] Please come to the mic, state your name,
[12:53] your address,
[12:54] uh
[12:56] and tell us what's on your mind.
[13:06] » Lee Orton, Payson.
[13:10] We have a couple of concerns that's
[13:13] bothered us over the years. Uh
[13:17] the festivities are coming. Fireworks.
[13:21] They're banned in certain areas. Where
[13:23] we live is a lot of
[13:26] debris and grass and brush, fire
[13:29] problems all the time.
[13:31] And
[13:33] bottle rockets, illegal fireworks
[13:37] in a restricted area. And we have not
[13:40] yet seen any patrol
[13:43] over the years to
[13:45] combat this.
[13:47] And it's now no water.
[13:51] Pretty dry this winter, so
[13:54] grass is still growing.
[13:56] Everything's dry, going to burn easily.
[13:59] So, our question is, are we going to
[14:01] have is the city going to put out any
[14:04] extra
[14:05] coverage in
[14:07] patrolling for illegal fireworks and see
[14:09] if we can
[14:11] curb some of the fires.
[14:14] And some of the problems that's caused
[14:16] by the fireworks.
[14:18] You know, last year we watched a kid
[14:20] come off of 600 East and rode right down
[14:22] into the Hollow Park on his motorcycle
[14:25] and started lighting off bottle rockets.
[14:28] 10, 15 minutes later, there he goes.
[14:31] You know, it's just
[14:33] one of these days it's going to take off
[14:34] and burn.
[14:37] My second question is is on Gary's
[14:39] Meats.
[14:41] It's been
[14:43] over 20 years now.
[14:45] Is he hooked up to the sewer line?
[14:53] » His home still
[14:54] >> The home is is the business hooked up to
[14:56] the sewer line?
[14:59] How long does it take to do that?
[15:02] These are These are your ordinances. You
[15:05] people sit up here and put it in the
[15:08] ordinance, city law.
[15:10] And
[15:12] it's been over 20 years.
[15:14] The holding pen is supposed to be
[15:16] enclosed, soundproof, smell proof.
[15:21] No change.
[15:22] Parts of it's built with a
[15:24] extension ladder. Part of it's built
[15:27] with a guardrail.
[15:28] It's not the code by no means.
[15:31] I had to build the code, but evidently
[15:35] the slaughterhouse didn't have to build
[15:36] the code. And still avoids
[15:40] ordinances and issues.
[15:43] And it's been a while and we still haven't
[15:47] seen anything other than things get
[15:49] worse.
[15:51] The yard looks like a
[15:55] wholesale wrecking yard. Vehicles for
[15:58] sale, pallets stacking up. It's
[16:02] I don't think any of that's supposed to
[16:04] be allowed on that property, but yet the
[16:07] city turns a blind eye to it from my
[16:10] side of the fence. What we see, nothing
[16:13] happens to these people. He's still in
[16:15] business
[16:17] and he's not held to account.
[16:20] >> Lee, thank you. You're out of time, but
[16:22] I will tell you from my point of
[16:24] perspective
[16:26] is we have a beautification committee in
[16:28] place right now that is just hitting the
[16:30] ground.
[16:31] And we have a wonderful letter that has
[16:33] been approved by the council that is
[16:35] going out
[16:36] to those specific businesses and
[16:38] residences to address that.
[16:41] As far as the fireworks go
[16:43] I know our police department can't be
[16:45] everywhere.
[16:46] Uh you're looking at one who was a
[16:48] result of a bottle rocket that started a
[16:50] fire in my yard about 8 years ago.
[16:53] Um I sympathize with you there.
[16:57] But I do know our police force is out
[16:59] and about. They can't be everywhere when
[17:01] every bottle rocket does go off, but I
[17:03] know that they are citing
[17:05] and they are are following up with with
[17:08] reports of fire illegal fireworks.
[17:12] >> And you might get with our chief of
[17:13] police and give him your address so they
[17:15] know where you are.
[17:17] >> And I will add to that not only police
[17:19] department, but on on nights where
[17:20] fireworks are allowed, the actual fire
[17:22] department does patrol around,
[17:24] especially in those higher danger,
[17:25] higher restricted areas, and they
[17:27] they've been pretty good about enforcing
[17:28] those. So, we are mindful of that, and
[17:30] it is extra dry, like you said, and so
[17:32] that is top of mind for the fire
[17:33] department. I have spoke to the fire
[17:35] chief about that.
[17:39] » That's cuz you're not starting any
[17:41] fires, so thank you.
[17:43] >> Lee, thank you for your comments.
[17:45] Very appreciated. Anybody else from the
[17:47] public that would like to
[17:55] » Thank you, city council members, for
[17:57] giving me a chance to share some
[17:58] thoughts, and I I have a a little State
[18:01] your name, please.
[18:02] >> Uh my name is Taylor Ellis.
[18:04] Um
[18:05] I'm a a home and property owner on uh
[18:09] 400 East. My
[18:10] property shares the western boundary
[18:13] with the Haskell addition parcel.
[18:16] Um so, I wanted to speak a little bit
[18:18] concerning that. Um would it be
[18:20] appropriate to hand these out now before
[18:22] I say
[18:23] >> Yes.
[18:23] >> Okay.
[18:40] » That's a
[18:47] » Um anyway, yeah, thank you for the the
[18:49] opportunity. Um I I wanted to say that
[18:52] I'm not against this annexation and the
[18:55] development of these parcels. Um I'm I'm
[18:58] extremely fond of of Mark and Marjorie
[19:01] Haskell.
[19:02] Um would like for them to get the value
[19:04] for their land and and be able to set up
[19:06] again somewhere to do what what they
[19:08] like to do and live the way they want to
[19:09] live.
[19:10] Um for me, the question is not whether
[19:12] the annexation should happen at some
[19:14] point. Uh, rather I'd like to make sure
[19:16] that it's carried out well and and
[19:19] aligns with the the city's Eastside
[19:21] Comprehensive Plan.
[19:23] Um, which Grow Development has stated
[19:26] that they're in alignment with. And, uh,
[19:29] as a reminder Grow Development's the the
[19:31] sponsor of this annexation petition.
[19:34] Um,
[19:36] and and also in alignment with uh, the
[19:38] most recent master plan which
[19:40] specifically defers to the area plan for
[19:43] implementing specifics.
[19:46] So, um,
[19:47] on the published materials of this
[19:49] application I noticed that the score the
[19:51] city's own scorecard for determining
[19:53] whether the city's resources should um,
[19:56] entertain a study to move forward with
[19:59] uh,
[20:00] this annexation
[20:01] um, gives them a a point five out of
[20:04] one.
[20:05] Um, their application met 50% of the
[20:08] criteria
[20:09] um, for moving forward.
[20:12] The city's calling this incomplete or
[20:14] half-baked. The two most heavily
[20:17] weighted items, utility infrastructure
[20:19] and community benefits, were both
[20:21] substantially unmet.
[20:22] The applicant has acknowledged they
[20:24] intend to address those gaps after
[20:26] annexation is approved.
[20:29] Um,
[20:31] anyway, I personally I I would like to
[20:33] see a a a bigger effort and and due
[20:37] diligence on the part of the developer
[20:39] um,
[20:41] to
[20:42] uh, acknowledge known conditions in in
[20:45] their concept plans. Uh, known uh,
[20:48] challenges uh, before
[20:51] resources are allocated to carry forward
[20:53] and and I hope that uh, those
[20:56] um, concepts can actually reflect
[20:59] support of of that that plan.
[21:02] >> Mayor, thank you. You're you're out of
[21:03] time.
[21:04] >> Okay, out of time? All right.
[21:06] >> You I I I read a letter from you.
[21:08] >> You did. Yeah.
[21:08] >> Submitted to the city.
[21:09] >> Yep.
[21:10] >> Um thank you. We We all have that.
[21:12] >> Mhm.
[21:13] >> We all take very seriously what we're
[21:16] looking at here.
[21:18] Uh but there again, I merely state that
[21:20] all that we're considering denied is
[21:22] if we want staff to give us a report on
[21:25] where roads I mean, you've probably seen
[21:28] I think you alluded to a cul-de-sac and
[21:30] some things, but staff ultimately will
[21:33] be the one that looks at it and tells us
[21:35] where our infrastructure should be
[21:37] and what have you. And so
[21:39] um we might be a little premature on
[21:42] deciding what a subdivision is going to
[21:44] look like.
[21:44] >> I know I acknowledge that. And I What I would
[21:48] love is is for them to to give a little
[21:51] uh a little more good faith and due
[21:54] diligence in their application.
[21:56] And I I would hope that you you guys
[21:59] would hold them to that before making
[22:00] that determination to move forward with
[22:02] the study.
[22:03] >> Okay.
[22:04] >> Thank you.
[22:04] >> Taylor, thank you.
[22:05] Appreciate your comments.
[22:07] Anyone else?
[22:12] » Am I able to present
[22:14] our point?
[22:15] >> At a public forum, I don't believe so.
[22:17] No.
[22:18] >> Okay.
[22:21] Yeah, I could email it later. All right,
[22:22] my name is Jeremy Smith. I'm neighbors
[22:24] with Taylor. Um
[22:27] My address is 633 South 1400 East.
[22:30] Um I also
[22:32] my west boundary of my property borders
[22:35] with the Haskell annexation.
[22:38] Um my main concern is with
[22:41] the zoning on the application for that
[22:43] piece of of property. It's On the
[22:45] application, it's a R19 zoning request.
[22:49] And I feel that that does not line up
[22:52] with the um Eastside Comprehensive Plan.
[22:56] Where this is in the area of a township.
[22:59] Um the plan gives
[23:01] a a lot size for traditional lots, which
[23:04] would be quarter to third-acre lots. And
[23:07] then from there, it just says larger or
[23:09] estate. And so the township is
[23:12] considered a larger lot than the the
[23:15] traditional. Um which
[23:18] an R19 allows for a small lot as a 9,000
[23:22] square foot lot, which would be 0.21. So
[23:24] under a quarter.
[23:26] Um
[23:27] So my request would be that to not set
[23:29] precedence by approving this application
[23:32] with a R19 request,
[23:34] but to require them to
[23:36] um adhere to the comprehensive plan
[23:40] and have at least a R1 uh 15, which
[23:44] would be just about a a third of an acre
[23:47] um as minimum lot size.
[23:50] So that that's uh my request. Thank you.
[23:53] >> Hey, thank you.
[23:58] Anyone else like to address the council?
[24:02] Staff?
[24:15] Yes.
[24:22] » Mayor pro tem and city [clears throat]
[24:24] council, I just want to take a second
[24:26] and talk about the adventure day. For
[24:28] those of you who are not able to attend,
[24:30] um I want to thank Ryan Rowley. He was a
[24:33] huge part of that. He was busy all day
[24:35] long. So, and Brian, of course, he was a
[24:38] part of um putting that event together.
[24:41] Um I also want to thank Dave and Robert.
[24:44] They were there all day long, too, and I
[24:46] want to thank them for their support.
[24:49] Um it was a very busy day, so our police
[24:53] officers were everywhere, also. It
[24:56] started with the Orchids Triathlon early
[24:59] in the morning at the swimming pool.
[25:01] And Jackie had her event. Police were
[25:04] involved with all that.
[25:06] And then we went with the Gran Fondo at
[25:09] 7:00 a.m. So, things started very early.
[25:12] Um and so that was a quite a success. We
[25:15] have a lot more people this year signed
[25:18] up for the Gran Fondo and I think they
[25:19] were really happy
[25:21] with that.
[25:22] And then at the park itself, uh
[25:25] it was from 10:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m.
[25:30] And it was just so much going on in such
[25:33] a short amount of time that it's like
[25:36] three huge events into one in five five
[25:39] or six or seven hours. So, it was it was
[25:42] pretty amazing. Um during the Adventure Day, we had um
[25:49] vendors, we had food vendors, we had
[25:51] inflatables, we had a a boat regatta,
[25:55] but we had a cornhole competition, a
[25:57] pickleball tournament, bingo, a 250-year
[26:02] that we were celebrating year 250, the
[26:04] puzzle, gymnastics, we had plein air
[26:07] going on at the museum, guided mountain
[26:10] bikes, fly tying, photo contest.
[26:13] Um at the information booth, if the
[26:16] people who came uh we had a little map
[26:19] for them if they went around all the
[26:20] vendors, which is good because we want
[26:23] our vendors to actually be able to talk
[26:25] to everybody. So, as they would go
[26:27] around and check off their little vendor
[26:29] list, they'd come back to the
[26:30] information booth and spin a wheel. And
[26:33] then they were able to receive free
[26:35] swag. And that's what this event is
[26:38] about, too, is to keep reminding our um
[26:42] our community at our new Adventure Day
[26:45] um logo and theme. So, hopefully we'll
[26:48] see a lot more swag around town cuz
[26:50] there was a few hundred people who
[26:52] received free swag at Bay. So, I want to
[26:55] thank all the volunteers. It took so
[26:57] many volunteers from
[26:59] um Shelby's team. They were there. Uh
[27:03] the Rec Department. Everyone was on
[27:05] board with them. Um it took city
[27:08] employees to help run everything. I had
[27:12] Robert out in the heat all day. I mean,
[27:15] it was it was a lot going on. Yes, he
[27:18] was I looked over there and he was all
[27:20] red. I'm like, he needs a hat. It's the least I could do. Anyway, so
[27:25] thank you cuz this event
[27:27] um just wouldn't happen with
[27:30] without the hundreds of volunteers. So,
[27:32] our next event is not this weekend, but
[27:35] next weekend. It's June 26th and 27th.
[27:39] It's the Here Comes the Sun Rock
[27:41] Festival.
[27:42] Um this has been going on now for a few
[27:44] years. Um if you love rock and roll, you
[27:47] got to come. It's just super fun. So,
[27:50] Friday it starts at 3:30. We'll have
[27:53] vendors, food trucks, and of course rock
[27:55] and roll. We have a few built yeah food
[27:58] booths. It's a tent No, photo booth.
[28:01] It's a tent, but it's more like set up
[28:03] like a photo so people can pretend
[28:06] they're on stage and um we'll have
[28:08] things for them and to wear so it'll be
[28:09] like a photo booth. It'll be really fun.
[28:12] Um we have some professional artists
[28:15] coming to do some chalk art. So, that
[28:17] will be fun while the concert's going
[28:19] on.
[28:20] And then Saturday it starts at 3:30. So,
[28:23] we hope you all can come. Thank you.
[28:27] >> Janine, thank you. Payson City and the
[28:30] citizens are so lucky to have you
[28:34] for all your effort.
[28:36] Chief,
[28:38] I was going to follow up on Mr. It looks
[28:40] like he's left. Mr. Johnson's comments.
[28:42] We we worked with Gary's to get him to
[28:44] come in compliance with nuisance. So,
[28:46] we'll revisit that and make sure they're
[28:49] still in that. I I think we spent quite
[28:50] a deal of time with them last year or
[28:52] the year before, so we'll we'll revisit
[28:54] that and make sure the cars are whatever
[28:56] he's to I'll go look at it and make sure
[28:58] we're
[28:59] as far as the other stuff, we'll
[29:01] follow that as well, so.
[29:03] >> Thank you.
[29:04] >> Thanks, Chief.
[29:06] >> Any other staff?
[29:09] Then we'll go to Robert, David, either
[29:12] of you? You good?
[29:14] Then we'll go to Lacy.
[29:18] » Um
[29:21] I don't have anything really other than
[29:24] uh I did attend a Four Bay
[29:27] event last night and um
[29:30] thankful to the previous council and
[29:35] ones that are currently on it, too, that
[29:36] helped protect it.
[29:38] And I know Orion has like really
[29:41] put a lot into it, especially um
[29:44] and Carl and
[29:46] um I say it time and time again, I love
[29:49] Payson Canyon.
[29:51] I think it's our biggest asset,
[29:52] honestly.
[29:53] Um it's a hidden gem and I love to tell
[29:56] people about it, but I don't want to
[29:57] tell people about it because it's so
[29:59] amazing.
[30:00] And um
[30:02] just going up there, it was incredibly
[30:04] peaceful. Um it was beautiful.
[30:07] Um
[30:10] it made you realize also
[30:12] uh
[30:13] mother nature and we spoke about the
[30:16] fire of 2018
[30:18] and uh
[30:19] that's a huge huge concern for me this
[30:22] year, especially cuz I live so close.
[30:25] And I would hate to see that canyon ever
[30:27] burn again. Um and so
[30:31] um just
[30:33] I just hope that everyone that utilizes
[30:36] it really pays attention to that and how
[30:38] dry it really is and
[30:42] I know that you can't stop people, but I
[30:44] guess I'm that person that fireworks are
[30:46] my favorite thing. I have a birthday in
[30:48] July and I say the fireworks are for me,
[30:49] but
[30:51] this year alone, I'd be I'd
[30:53] I would 100% be done with fireworks for
[30:56] the year. It's
[30:58] so dangerous right now, but that's just
[31:01] my thing, but
[31:02] thanks for inviting me to the four-bay,
[31:04] but other than that, I don't have
[31:05] anything.
[31:08] » Councilman Youel.
[31:09] >> I just got a couple things here. Um one
[31:11] is we had a downtown event Friday that
[31:14] tied into Adventure Day and just like to
[31:17] thank Ronda Herron all the staff in the
[31:19] city that helped with that. Um it was a
[31:22] good event.
[31:23] Also, um uh for Adventure Day, just uh
[31:26] thank Carl and Janine and April and all
[31:29] the volunteers and staff that helped
[31:31] with that. It's it's a good event. It
[31:33] really ties into our branding, helps us
[31:34] with our branding.
[31:36] Um and also
[31:38] uh thank Rob. He's over He's the one
[31:41] that started the Grand Fondo here in in
[31:43] Payson, so we're really grateful for him
[31:45] to bringing that. He does a lot of work for that and he did
[31:49] give me a jersey. He said, "We have Tour
[31:51] Utah jersey up there, so we need to put
[31:54] his jersey up there." So, we'll have to
[31:57] look at doing that. So, um anyway,
[32:00] grateful to him.
[32:01] And then just um just sorry I missed the
[32:03] four-bay thing. I was out of town, so
[32:06] that would that's just a great asset for
[32:08] the city.
[32:11] >> Councilman Youel.
[32:12] >> Yeah, I think they've covered everything
[32:14] I was going to say. The only I'm just
[32:15] going to make the obvious comment.
[32:17] Whenever I see that jersey, I think who
[32:18] could fit into that? Who wore that? But
[32:21] yeah, I don't I don't have anything to
[32:22] report. Thank you everybody for being
[32:23] here tonight.
[32:26] >> Ann.
[32:27] >> Um I echo everything that everyone else
[32:29] said. I'm sorry couldn't be at Adventure
[32:31] Days. I was out of town, as well, but I
[32:33] was at the four-bay thing and every time
[32:35] I go up there, I'm just so glad that we
[32:37] made the decision we did. It was the
[32:38] right thing to do and
[32:40] um I hope we can keep it safe
[32:42] and everyone enjoy it. We saw deer and
[32:45] birds and
[32:46] um the views are always spectacular and
[32:49] so it is it is a valuable
[32:52] um asset for Payson.
[32:55] Um don't tell anybody about it.
[32:57] >> [laughter]
[32:58] >> I grew up going to Zion and now that's
[33:01] and we would have the whole hike to
[33:02] ourselves and that's long past now.
[33:05] Um
[33:07] and just thanks as usual to everybody
[33:09] that that we work with. We're really
[33:11] lucky here. Thanks.
[33:12] >> Thank you.
[33:13] I I'm just thankful for staff
[33:16] and for council members that
[33:19] uh as thin as stretched as we are making
[33:22] it to the ribbon cuttings, to the
[33:23] groundbreakings,
[33:25] to the four bays, to everything that we
[33:28] have going on right now, to have
[33:30] representation from the council. I
[33:32] talked to three people that were there
[33:33] last night and they said
[33:35] council members were there. It was
[33:37] awesome. It was just So, thank you thank
[33:39] you guys for being
[33:41] council members and representing Payson.
[33:46] Moving on,
[33:47] uh action item number E.
[33:50] Uh I believe
[33:51] Kathy and Melanie, if we could do items
[33:54] 1 2 3 Oh, Robert, go ahead.
[33:56] >> Actually, um can we just announce that
[33:59] item 15 is going to be tabled?
[34:01] >> Yes. Thank you. I
[34:03] Item number 15, if any of you are here,
[34:08] » That's the the Payson Gateway plan. That
[34:11] is correct.
[34:13] >> And we've we've been asked to table that
[34:15] until the first council meeting in July.
[34:18] So, if anybody's here for that,
[34:21] we're we're grateful that you'll stay,
[34:22] but if not, uh
[34:25] we'll we'll table that until till the
[34:27] first council meeting in July.
[34:30] All right, back to item E. Melanie and Cathy, if we could present items 1 2
[34:35] 3 and 4
[34:37] and then council will
[34:40] uh entertain uh public hearings on each of those items.
[34:45] >> Okay. So, I'm going to start with the
[34:47] certified tax. I'm going to review the
[34:49] budget with you. I'll turn the time over
[34:52] to Melanie to review the compensation
[34:54] portion and then let you go into the
[34:55] public hearings.
[34:57] Um you probably know I go kind of fast,
[34:59] so if you have any questions, just stop
[35:01] me.
[35:02] So,
[35:04] for this year's uh certified tax rate,
[35:07] it's kind of what we predicted It's 0.001277.
[35:13] Um if we look on a scale, it's a little
[35:15] bit less than last year. So, you can see
[35:18] it's kind of gone down a little bit. Um
[35:21] here's kind of an impact to the
[35:22] taxpayers based on home valuation. You
[35:25] can kind of see what where you rank.
[35:27] Again, this is Payson only. This is not
[35:30] your total certified tax.
[35:33] Um
[35:35] now the the whole assessment, I don't
[35:38] know if it was posted right or not, but
[35:40] it's showing that Nebo School District
[35:42] went down a little bit. So, that might
[35:43] change. I'm not sure. And I heard that
[35:45] Central Utah Water Conservancy might go
[35:48] up. If it stays like this, Payson City's
[35:51] portion is about 15% of your total
[35:54] certified tax.
[35:57] So, transfers and indirect costs, we're
[35:59] going to have a separate public hearing
[36:00] on this one also. And we've presented
[36:03] this several times, but um indirect
[36:06] services are those services provided by
[36:08] the general fund, the vehicle
[36:10] maintenance, and the IT department um
[36:13] charged to various departments and to
[36:15] the enterprise funds, and those funds
[36:17] are transferred to support those
[36:19] services.
[36:21] Transfers are non-reciprocal transfers,
[36:25] meaning they're just operational
[36:26] transfers directly from
[36:28] um
[36:29] the enterprise funds to the general fund
[36:31] or from the general fund to to various
[36:33] programs and and uh enterprise funds.
[36:37] Traditionally, the city has transferred
[36:38] 9% of enterprise funds to the general
[36:41] fund.
[36:42] This year we're we're trying to reduce
[36:44] that or eliminate operating transfers to
[36:46] the general fund, and you can kind of
[36:49] see where we've lowered it to this year.
[36:51] We hope to make more progress in the
[36:53] coming budget years.
[36:57] So, for Payson City budget
[37:01] um changes to the tentative budget. So,
[37:04] first we adjusted planning to uh
[37:06] development services wages for a
[37:08] part-time hours for a current employee.
[37:10] We adjusted the RDA business park road
[37:13] overlay for $504,000.
[37:17] Um in police, we added um a donation to
[37:20] the Children's Justice Center at Utah
[37:23] County for $66,000.
[37:26] Um we adjusted the Memorial Park
[37:28] playground. Um and just to remind you
[37:32] that $200,000 of that is a grant,
[37:35] 150,000 is an increase in the parks
[37:38] department, and 350,000
[37:41] is coming from the park tax budget. Half
[37:44] of that was an increase.
[37:46] Um adjustments to the sewer department,
[37:48] we added the pit station rollover.
[37:51] Um the internet to the lift station, the
[37:53] streets department sewer project, and
[37:55] the sewer master plan.
[37:57] Um we added um Communities That Care
[38:00] revenue of 35,000, and they also
[38:02] received a grant for 18,000.
[38:05] Um we rolled over the HVAC system in
[38:07] administration and moved the
[38:09] installation to the fall.
[38:11] That's 700,000 increase for total of
[38:14] 950,000.
[38:16] Um streets, we added a 3-month sidewalk
[38:18] data entry person. That's a one-time
[38:20] project cost.
[38:23] Um projections and indirect services
[38:25] were updated for 98,000.
[38:28] And we adjusted 481,000 transfer from
[38:31] the general fund to restricted debt
[38:33] service in the capital service fund.
[38:36] So, here's the reconciliation of those
[38:38] amounts. You can kind of see
[38:41] how it was
[38:43] broken out if you have an interest in
[38:44] that.
[38:46] Um
[38:47] budget highlights uh for fiscal year
[38:50] 2027, we're proposing
[38:52] a 126 million 573,786
[38:57] dollar budget.
[38:59] Um for funded personnel positions, we're
[39:01] requesting departments wait to mid-year
[39:04] to fill them just so we can monitor the
[39:05] economy because of the rumors
[39:08] about the economy.
[39:10] Um we've added um two increases for
[39:13] employees. A two per 2.7% increase will
[39:17] be allotted through COLA and the 1.3%
[39:20] will be merit at mid-year.
[39:23] And this is just a breakdown of the URS
[39:26] system, and you can kind of see the
[39:27] breakdown. These amounts are added as
[39:30] employee benefit paid directly to URS.
[39:35] Funded personnel for this year, we're
[39:37] proposing the following new positions. A
[39:40] new police officer with promotional
[39:41] opportunities for two officers.
[39:44] Six EMTs for the ambulance department,
[39:46] we're offsetting that with part-time
[39:48] wages.
[39:49] A water employee with some seasonal
[39:51] help. Some adjustments for a public
[39:53] information officer. A a GIS position.
[39:58] And streets has requested again the
[40:00] 500-hour employee for data entry of the
[40:02] streets condition.
[40:06] In the water fund, um we've allowed for
[40:10] a four-bay bond amount that's going to
[40:11] be transferred from the general fund
[40:14] to the water department. The water
[40:16] department is charged with federal lead
[40:17] and copper lateral replacements that
[40:19] have been funded.
[40:21] The city is seeking options through
[40:23] WIFIA
[40:24] um
[40:25] funding for capital water, sewer, and
[40:28] storm drain projects. We'll be cut
[40:30] bringing that forward hopefully pretty
[40:32] soon.
[40:33] Um
[40:35] and then we'll also do a budget
[40:36] adjustment when it comes forward if that
[40:38] is approved. Um we've added design for
[40:41] the Main Street CUP project.
[40:44] And this is just a quick overview. Um
[40:47] those items that are highlighted in
[40:48] color are those items that we funded.
[40:51] Those in black were requested but we
[40:54] have not funded those this year.
[40:57] And the water the water fund has a
[41:00] $8,750,277
[41:03] budget.
[41:05] And here's the offset to the
[41:06] expenditures.
[41:09] Impact fees for the water is $1,371,858.
[41:15] When you see the audit at the end of the
[41:17] year, the impact fees and the enterprise
[41:20] fund roll up into one one um
[41:22] presentation.
[41:25] And the solid waste
[41:27] um just a great deal of the budget
[41:29] expenses the landfill pertain to main
[41:32] maintenance and improvements to the
[41:33] landfill.
[41:34] Um in addition to the landfill, the
[41:36] solid waste department handles garbage
[41:38] collection and city snow plowing.
[41:40] The landfill is getting additional C&D
[41:42] revenue from school demoli- demolitions
[41:45] and other projects. And they've
[41:47] requested fencing and a 10-wheel dump
[41:49] truck.
[41:50] And here is the solid waste revenue.
[41:52] It's uh $4,417,722.
[41:58] And the offsetting expenditures with
[41:59] that.
[42:01] In the electric power plant um
[42:05] they're concerned about large capital
[42:07] projects, the transmission line, the
[42:10] substation. Those both of those will
[42:12] come through impact fees. The power
[42:14] plant construction and lighting
[42:15] projects.
[42:17] 2027 was scheduled as the third of a
[42:19] four-year rate increase plan.
[42:22] Um we're not going to follow up on that
[42:24] this year. We don't have any straight
[42:27] utility increases. There's a couple
[42:28] increases we're suggesting, but those
[42:30] are user fees, not utility fees
[42:33] necessarily.
[42:34] The electric plant payments made through
[42:37] UAMPS operational billing, um you'll see
[42:40] that in the operation. So
[42:41] we will not own the plant until it's
[42:44] paid off. So we don't have any debt
[42:45] service associated with that.
[42:49] A transfer from the general fund will
[42:50] cover the cost of the Utopia payments.
[42:54] And again, um there's a lot of projects
[42:56] going on in electric fund. The colored
[42:58] items are those that are funded. Um the
[43:01] color the item in black is uh WIFIA
[43:04] project. Again, we haven't budgeted for
[43:06] that yet.
[43:08] The electric power plant has a
[43:09] $23,698,501
[43:13] budget.
[43:14] And here's the offset to that.
[43:16] And then we also have impact fees
[43:18] through the power for $4,613,000.
[43:24] And the sewer plant.
[43:27] Um the sewer plant continues with the
[43:29] construction of the sewer plant. Um the
[43:31] sewer department is in a unique position
[43:34] cuz approximately 64% of operational
[43:36] revenue goes to debt service. So it's
[43:38] really that is due to the big sewer
[43:41] plant.
[43:43] We will have issued by tomorrow $5
[43:46] million bonds to complete the sewer
[43:47] project.
[43:49] And just a reminder that the city must
[43:51] maintain 1.25% bond cov- coverage.
[43:55] In coming years, particularly with the
[43:56] WIFIA funding, the city will be
[43:58] obligated to raise user rates if they
[44:00] cannot meet the 1.25% bond coverage.
[44:04] That won't be this year. We're not
[44:06] raising rates, sir.
[44:07] Um the sewer
[44:08] fund is $27,242,181.
[44:14] And the offsetting expenditures.
[44:17] And then they have impact fee projects
[44:18] for $966,200.
[44:22] And again, this is um
[44:25] it's hard to see up there. At the bottom
[44:27] two are the ones that were not funded,
[44:29] one from WIFIA, and one we're building
[44:32] up revenue to get them a camera van.
[44:37] The ambulance department.
[44:40] And the ambulance is almost at capacity
[44:42] of what they can provide the city due to
[44:44] available personnel. The city is looking
[44:46] at future equipment, employees, and fire
[44:48] station in order to more fully meet the
[44:51] needs of the city.
[44:52] In that vein, we funded six full-time
[44:54] positions.
[44:56] Um an ambulance was ordered last year
[44:59] and should be received.
[45:01] It was ordered last year. It should be
[45:02] received in this coming budget year, we
[45:04] hope.
[45:05] A fire and ambulance impact fee study is
[45:08] being updated. And here's what we've um
[45:11] proposed. They asked for 14 full-time um
[45:14] EMTs, but we just didn't think we could
[45:16] squeeze that out of that fund this year.
[45:20] The ambulance has a $2,164,830
[45:25] uh budget.
[45:28] And the golf fund.
[45:30] The golf course is currently in
[45:32] construction for a par-3 golf course.
[45:35] Um this is expected to bring additional
[45:37] revenues and expand opportunities at
[45:39] Gladstan.
[45:40] The RV pack park pack park is reserved
[45:44] out early in the year and has become
[45:45] quite an asset to the city.
[45:47] So, the two big items in the golf fund
[45:49] is a par-3 and a real grinder. And Tracy
[45:53] let me know that because of some of the
[45:55] watering issues and such that we might
[45:57] have to do an open budget coming up to
[46:00] help with
[46:02] um turf
[46:03] at the at the golf course.
[46:06] So, the golf um fund has is a budget of
[46:08] $4,166,361.
[46:13] And the offsetting expenditures.
[46:16] The storm drain.
[46:20] The primary purpose of the storm drain
[46:22] fund is to help enforce EPA regulations
[46:24] regarding storm water illicit discharge
[46:26] detect detection and elimination.
[46:30] The city has allocated $250,000 this
[46:32] year for curb and gutter projects and
[46:34] that's from a CDBG grant.
[46:37] And here's the expenditures. Again, they
[46:39] asked for WIFIA funding. We have not
[46:41] budgeted for that.
[46:43] The storm drain has a $2,398,787
[46:49] budget and the offsetting expenditures
[46:50] for that.
[46:52] Internal service funds.
[46:54] Um these are the
[46:56] um vehicle maintenance requested and
[46:58] funded items.
[47:01] And IT requested items.
[47:05] The internals uh the vehicle maintenance
[47:07] fund is $677,285
[47:10] and the IT budget is $978,026.
[47:16] The revolving loan fund.
[47:20] The city has a revolving loan fund to
[47:21] finance new equipment and vehicles. The
[47:24] cost of the equipment is expensed in the
[47:26] revolving loan fund. Amortized loan
[47:29] amounts are assessed to the departments
[47:30] to reimburse the revolving loan fund and
[47:33] build up funds for future allocation.
[47:35] Most loans are amortized over 3 years at
[47:37] this point.
[47:38] Vehicle replacement is based on the
[47:40] assessment of the vehicle maintenance
[47:41] director.
[47:43] And here are the items that we're
[47:45] rolling over this year and the ones that
[47:47] were not funded. And just the ones I
[47:49] want to point out is uh the downtown
[47:52] repayment to MAG. We're going to sell a
[47:53] building downtown,
[47:55] turn the funds over to MAG, and then as
[47:58] soon as we sell the building, we're
[47:59] going to reimburse this fund.
[48:03] Um the revolving loan fund is
[48:04] $2,446,400.
[48:09] The park tax fund
[48:11] um
[48:13] the total is $585,300.
[48:15] Again, this is the with the increase in
[48:18] the Memorial Park playground. So, that's
[48:20] a little bit of a change of what they
[48:22] requested.
[48:24] So, there's $595,300.
[48:26] We added $10,000 for advertising for the
[48:30] park tax election that's coming up.
[48:34] In the general fund
[48:37] sales tax is steady right now. Building
[48:39] permit revenue is down and I understand
[48:41] that's pretty consistent with other
[48:43] cities right now.
[48:45] In previous years, we've transferred
[48:47] excess fund balance from the utility
[48:48] fund to the capital fund. This year, if
[48:51] we have excess um fund reserves, we're
[48:53] going to concentrate on transferring
[48:55] that directly from the general fund.
[48:58] The effect of that is that
[49:02] if I can get to it, it looks like we're
[49:04] expending more fund reserves out of the
[49:06] general fund. But, actually a good
[49:08] portion of that is the transfer of
[49:10] excess fund reserves. So, it's not an
[49:12] expenditure, it's a movement of fund
[49:14] balance.
[49:17] That also, and I just want to point out,
[49:18] gives the council opportunity to do
[49:20] capital projects. It's benefited the
[49:22] city because we've been able to do the
[49:24] downtown, we're funding half of the fire
[49:26] station
[49:28] and excess funds will be available for
[49:30] the council to allocate.
[49:36] And my thing stopped. I apologize.
[49:40] There we go.
[49:42] So, the general fund is comprised of the
[49:44] following individual funds that you'll
[49:46] see in the audit. Again, these all roll
[49:48] up into the general fund and when we
[49:49] talk about fund balance, it's a
[49:52] combination of all these funds. B&C
[49:54] revenue again is restricted funds. It's
[49:58] not available for use for any other
[49:59] purpose.
[50:00] So, the funded and requested for the B&C
[50:02] fund,
[50:05] the building maintenance fund. Oh, I
[50:07] want to point out, too, that there is
[50:08] one B&C project that will not be
[50:10] complete by June 30. We will have to
[50:12] bring that forward for a budget
[50:14] adjustment so they can complete that
[50:15] budget. We didn't have it in time to get
[50:17] in this
[50:19] um budget
[50:20] uh proposal.
[50:22] Building maintenance, engineering,
[50:26] parks,
[50:28] fire,
[50:30] a library,
[50:31] and the police station.
[50:34] Recreation,
[50:35] streets,
[50:37] pool,
[50:38] seniors,
[50:40] cemetery,
[50:41] petite meat.
[50:43] Here is the overall budget. If you look
[50:45] at the bottom, you'll see those little
[50:47] funds that roll up into the general
[50:49] fund, beginning with B&C road funds. The
[50:52] total budget of the general fund is
[50:54] $34,013,391.
[50:58] And here's various we have
[51:01] various and broad um departments that
[51:04] participate in the city through the
[51:06] general fund.
[51:08] The RDAs, there will be a separate
[51:10] hearing on the RDAs, and we can come
[51:12] back to this if you have questions.
[51:14] The town redevelopment is primarily the
[51:17] uh the Walgreens economic development
[51:19] agreement, and that extends to October
[51:21] 2028.
[51:23] And then we have the redevelopment
[51:25] business park, and that's primarily the
[51:27] innovation center.
[51:31] And I
[51:31] And here's the requested and the funded
[51:34] for the RDAs.
[51:36] I'm going to turn the time over to
[51:37] Melanie and let her go through the
[51:39] compensation portion.
[52:01] » Okay, thank you. Um as Kathy indicated
[52:04] in the budget,
[52:06] um we are proposing
[52:09] um an increase for executives, um but
[52:12] starting in 2024, um there was a
[52:14] requirement that we have to hold a
[52:16] separate public hearing. So, even though
[52:19] Kathy's already highlighted and covered
[52:20] that, we're going to have um just take a
[52:23] minute and there'll be time for the
[52:24] hearing to highlight um on the executive
[52:26] positions.
[52:29] Yeah, it's not
[52:32] Let's see.
[52:33] I'll let you drive it.
[52:37] Please hold.
[53:05] Okay.
[53:08] So, um let me just go here. Um again,
[53:11] it's a statutory requirement to hold the
[53:13] public hearing. Um so, it's This is
[53:16] based on Utah Code 10-3-18,
[53:19] um that we cities are required to hold a
[53:21] public hearing on increases proposed in
[53:23] the budget uh for executive and
[53:25] statutory officers.
[53:29] Um these are just some of the
[53:30] definition. Um compensation means
[53:33] salary, a budgeted bonus, or budgeted um
[53:36] incentive pay, a vehicle allowance, and
[53:38] deferred salary.
[53:40] And then compensation increase um as
[53:42] mentioned in the definition above.
[53:45] Um an executive municipal officer is
[53:48] defined as the chief administrative
[53:50] officer, assistant city attorney, um an
[53:53] individual is the head or chief of a of
[53:55] a department.
[53:57] Um so this is um the positions that um
[54:01] Payson City um
[54:03] has uh for our executive officers.
[54:06] Um and so it's proposed that um
[54:10] these individuals would receive um a 2.7
[54:14] um
[54:15] 2.7 uh percent increase and um up to a
[54:20] 1.3. Um that's not a guarantee. Um we
[54:23] have a merit uh program based on
[54:26] performance evaluations. So um the total
[54:29] proposed increase for our executives
[54:31] would be um 4% and this is the same um
[54:35] percent that as Cabbie has indicated is
[54:38] for all employees as well.
[54:43] Are there any questions?
[54:50] » Okay.
[54:52] Uh
[54:54] at this point I would entertain
[54:56] a motion to open a public hearing
[54:59] on the fiscal year 2026-2027
[55:03] certified tax rate.
[55:05] >> So moved.
[55:07] >> Second.
[55:09] >> Motion and seconded.
[55:11] Emily, did you get those?
[55:13] Okay.
[55:14] All right.
[55:15] Uh the the public
[55:17] hearing is open concerning the public
[55:19] tax rate. We need to uh
[55:21] Oh, wait.
[55:22] >> [clears throat]
[55:23] >> Vote.
[55:23] >> Solidify vote.
[55:24] >> That's right.
[55:24] >> Yep.
[55:25] >> Thank you.
[55:25] >> Open the public hearing.
[55:26] >> Yep.
[55:27] Uh I would enter or since we've got a
[55:29] motion and a second, Lacy.
[55:31] >> Yes.
[55:32] >> Brian.
[55:32] >> Yes.
[55:33] >> Brian.
[55:34] >> Yes.
[55:35] >> And
[55:35] >> Yes.
[55:37] >> Okay, now the public hearing is open.
[55:39] Uh anybody that would like to come up
[55:41] and make comment concerning the
[55:43] certified tax rate. There's four
[55:46] different public hearings that we need
[55:47] to have here as we move through the
[55:49] budget season.
[55:51] Uh and the first one will be the
[55:53] certified tax rate.
[55:58] » Sorry, I thought I had this saved.
[56:01] >> Emily, is there anybody online?
[56:03] Not noting that anybody
[56:05] >> I know. I'm kidding.
[56:07] I can't. Sorry.
[56:09] I'm not as fluent in this.
[56:11] >> Okay. Not seeing anybody online or any
[56:14] public comment, I would accept a motion
[56:16] to close the public hearing.
[56:18] >> So moved.
[56:19] >> Second.
[56:20] >> Motion and second. Councilman Ann?
[56:22] >> Yes.
[56:23] >> Councilperson Ann?
[56:24] >> Yes.
[56:26] >> Councilman
[56:28] Ryan? [laughter]
[56:29] >> Yes.
[56:29] >> Councilmember Ryan?
[56:31] >> Yes.
[56:31] >> Councilmember Lacy?
[56:32] >> Yes.
[56:33] >> All right. Public hearing's closed.
[56:35] Council dis- discussion.
[56:37] >> Uh could you go to the next slide?
[56:39] >> You bet.
[56:41] Right here?
[56:43] >> Yes, thank you. Um
[56:45] you know, property taxes are the most
[56:47] stable source of income for a city. Uh
[56:50] however, they're I believe they're the
[56:51] most sacred as well. And we try to keep
[56:54] these as low as we can. And last year we
[56:56] did impose a property tax increase and
[56:59] 100% of that money uh we are setting
[57:02] aside for a fire station. And we've
[57:04] already made those transfers. And so we
[57:06] do not make uh tax increases lightly or
[57:08] willy-nilly to to fund uh frivolous or
[57:11] silly things. And uh and this year after
[57:14] much discussion and much deliberation uh
[57:16] Payson City is not raising uh their
[57:18] portion of property taxes, which I'm
[57:19] very proud to see. So luckily there's
[57:22] not much to discuss here.
[57:23] >> Right.
[57:26] We all concur pretty much.
[57:27] >> Okay.
[57:28] >> Yes.
[57:28] >> Then I would entertain a motion.
[57:31] >> I move that we approve the certified tax
[57:34] rate for fiscal year 2026-2027.
[57:37] >> I'll second.
[57:38] >> I have a motion and a second. Council
[57:40] member Lacey.
[57:41] >> Yes.
[57:42] >> Council member Brian.
[57:43] >> Yes.
[57:43] >> Council member Ryan.
[57:44] >> Yes.
[57:45] >> Council member Ann.
[57:46] >> Yes.
[57:48] >> Motion passes.
[57:51] Item number two, public hearing for
[57:54] fiscal year 2026-2027
[57:57] executive municipal officers
[57:59] compensation.
[58:01] I would accept a motion to open a public
[58:03] hearing.
[58:03] >> So moved.
[58:04] >> Second.
[58:05] >> Motion and a second.
[58:07] Uh roll call vote. Council member Ann.
[58:10] >> Yes.
[58:11] >> Council member Ryan.
[58:11] >> Yes.
[58:12] >> Council member Brian.
[58:13] >> Yes.
[58:14] >> And Lacey.
[58:14] >> Yes.
[58:16] >> Okay, public hearing is open. If anyone
[58:19] would like to come forward and have
[58:22] public comment on the executive
[58:24] municipal officers compensation
[58:27] that Melanie just presented to us.
[58:34] Emily, I'll ask you again, is anyone
[58:36] online?
[58:37] Not noting that anyone is online and no
[58:39] public comment, I would entertain a
[58:41] motion to close the public hearing.
[58:44] Have a motion, second?
[58:46] by Lacey.
[58:48] Uh Council member Ann.
[58:50] Council member Ryan.
[58:51] >> Yes.
[58:52] >> Council member Brian.
[58:53] >> Yes.
[58:53] >> Council member Lacey.
[58:55] >> Yes.
[58:56] >> Motion is closed. The public hearing is
[58:58] closed now. I would accept uh comments
[59:00] from the council.
[59:02] >> Uh this is a 1% less uh raise than we did last
[59:08] year. And not only this is the rate for
[59:09] the the executive team, but this is also
[59:12] the rate that we're we're increasing all
[59:13] their wages across the board for Payson
[59:15] City.
[59:16] And uh 4% is is what we're looking at.
[59:23] » So it's not even I have a question. So
[59:25] it's not even solidified. You guys
[59:27] haven't gone through the merit process
[59:29] yet, have you?
[59:30] Okay.
[59:31] >> We're giving the parameter up to
[59:33] >> up to.
[59:33] >> Yep, up to that percentage. Is that
[59:35] correct?
[59:36] >> Cost of living portion would be given.
[59:37] >> The cost of living, but the merit would
[59:39] be based on department head
[59:42] evaluation.
[59:43] Okay.
[59:44] >> And then to ask um Melanie, maybe.
[59:48] The
[59:50] >> [clears throat]
[59:50] >> Yeah, hello.
[59:52] Um and I it might have been talked about
[59:54] before. The cola, the cost of living.
[59:58] Where do we receive that rate from
[1:00:00] again? I'm just curious because looking
[1:00:03] at other cities, ours is different.
[1:00:06] CPI is what
[1:00:09] I understand that
[1:00:09] >> I mean, the CPI came in at 3.8%,
[1:00:11] correct?
[1:00:12] >> higher, right.
[1:00:13] >> Yeah.
[1:00:16] » Right.
[1:00:17] >> We do the we do the average for the
[1:00:18] calendar year, so what we put in there
[1:00:20] was from
[1:00:25] » Can we go to that screen just
[1:00:28] >> Yeah. So, the CPI for May was 4.2.
[1:00:32] Um
[1:00:33] I'll see if I can get to it. I'm sorry.
[1:00:35] >> That's okay.
[1:00:40] » Yeah.
[1:00:42] >> This is really fast.
[1:00:45] See if I can see it here.
[1:00:48] Right there.
[1:00:50] The 2.7 increase will be allotted
[1:00:51] through a jet um through cola and the
[1:00:54] 1.3 will be merit at mid-year.
[1:00:58] Is that what you wanted to see? Is there
[1:00:59] something else you wanted?
[1:01:01] >> It was the executive
[1:01:03] >> Oh, Melanie.
[1:01:03] >> the executive one. The executive one.
[1:01:05] >> Yeah, it was on the other slideshow.
[1:01:07] >> Oh, and it was from Melanie.
[1:01:09] >> We generally get the CPI from the
[1:01:11] >> It is it's the same exact department
[1:01:13] right here.
[1:01:14] >> Uh commerce uh commerce, I think.
[1:01:17] >> All the department heads.
[1:01:18] >> Yeah.
[1:01:18] >> Yep.
[1:01:19] >> Yeah, and then we also do a survey of
[1:01:21] other cities to try and stay
[1:01:23] competitive. So, those are
[1:01:26] >> Yeah, so as I looked around some are
[1:01:27] doing more.
[1:01:28] Uh a lot are doing less than than the 4%
[1:01:31] uh Payson City was behind for a very
[1:01:33] long time in what we paid our employees.
[1:01:36] And uh years ago they they made pretty
[1:01:38] aggressive steps to get it up to snuff.
[1:01:41] And uh I do think it's important we stay on the conservative consistent side
[1:01:46] of of paying our employees. That way we
[1:01:48] don't have to do these huge jumps. And
[1:01:50] for me personally, I don't think the 4%
[1:01:52] is outrageous and I'm I'm feeling okay
[1:01:54] about it. I think uh on the whole the
[1:01:57] culture of Payson City employees has
[1:01:59] improved in the last few years. And I
[1:02:01] think we have really good department
[1:02:03] heads right now as well that are that
[1:02:05] are continuing to elevate our culture. I
[1:02:06] want to attract the best people to
[1:02:08] Payson. It makes the residents' lives
[1:02:10] more stable and more reliable. And also
[1:02:12] the all all of the workers, a lot of
[1:02:14] them that are none of them are here
[1:02:16] tonight. They're the first line of
[1:02:17] defense and the first ones to interact
[1:02:19] with our residents. And it's important
[1:02:21] that they feel loved and respected and
[1:02:23] treated and treated and paid well. I
[1:02:25] don't want Payson to turn into a
[1:02:26] training ground uh for other cities. Uh
[1:02:29] but we're also not just going to
[1:02:30] endlessly throw money at them either.
[1:02:32] And so, I think this 4% is is pretty
[1:02:34] dang fair as as far as that's where I
[1:02:37] feel about it.
[1:02:38] >> I want to echo what he said. I want to
[1:02:41] keep it conservative. We don't want to
[1:02:43] be exorbitant. We're still a small town.
[1:02:45] And um
[1:02:48] so judge accordingly in the merit-based
[1:02:51] stuff.
[1:02:52] And
[1:02:54] I
[1:02:55] as long as it's up to and not everyone
[1:02:57] is guaranteed that.
[1:02:59] And we keep it conservative.
[1:03:02] But I also want to say our department
[1:03:04] heads are awesome. So, if we could, I'd
[1:03:06] give everyone a lot more, but
[1:03:09] >> Also,
[1:03:10] >> we have to be careful.
[1:03:11] >> Um
[1:03:12] I want to This is um my
[1:03:18] I just want to express my thoughts on
[1:03:20] it.
[1:03:21] Um
[1:03:22] I do
[1:03:23] everything that they say. I
[1:03:26] uh have enjoyed working along with
[1:03:28] especially the department heads. They've
[1:03:30] been more than helpful for me.
[1:03:32] Um
[1:03:33] They've already heard what I have to
[1:03:35] say, but I want to say it publicly. And
[1:03:37] that is um
[1:03:40] My answer will not always be yes on
[1:03:42] this.
[1:03:43] And that is because right now in this
[1:03:44] community, many families in our
[1:03:46] community have not seen an income
[1:03:49] consistent increase every year,
[1:03:51] especially even for our cost of living.
[1:03:53] Um
[1:03:55] Right now, many Payson residents are
[1:03:56] struggling with rising cost of living,
[1:03:58] increased utility rates, higher taxes,
[1:04:01] not from us this year, but
[1:04:04] the school district, a lot of our
[1:04:06] community, they don't have kids in the
[1:04:08] school district, and it's hard that that
[1:04:10] is the majority, and they might have
[1:04:12] utilized it in the past.
[1:04:14] Um
[1:04:16] But also,
[1:04:17] um
[1:04:18] everyday expenses continue to climb.
[1:04:20] And so, I'm just it's it's not a
[1:04:23] disrespecting. It's not a I don't
[1:04:26] appreciate everyone. It is just a
[1:04:30] I've I've lost sleep about this budget.
[1:04:33] I will be 100% honest about making sure
[1:04:36] that I as a council person am putting
[1:04:39] forth
[1:04:40] what I feel is best for the residents
[1:04:43] that um trust me.
[1:04:45] And so,
[1:04:46] um I just want to put it out there that
[1:04:48] I hope that in the future
[1:04:50] um we can look at other ways if we
[1:04:52] continue to need to give the increase.
[1:04:55] To and again, I know that the budget's
[1:04:57] less this year, and I know this isn't a
[1:04:58] budget talk yet, but
[1:05:00] it kind of all works together. And so,
[1:05:03] um that's just my feelings right now
[1:05:05] that
[1:05:06] I just hope that
[1:05:08] it's not a thing that I have noticed I I
[1:05:11] did a ton of research and it just seems
[1:05:13] like it's a constant nope they get it and it's it's every
[1:05:17] city it's every government agency
[1:05:19] almost. And so that's just my honest
[1:05:21] feelings. I'm fine with it this year
[1:05:23] because of everything like other things
[1:05:25] but I'll be 100% honest that my answer
[1:05:27] will probably not be yes every single
[1:05:30] year. So.
[1:05:31] >> Well said Lacy thank you and and I do
[1:05:33] want to make comment last year we we did
[1:05:36] cut it back
[1:05:37] a full percent from what it was
[1:05:39] requested and then just make sure the
[1:05:41] residents know too that we are not
[1:05:42] raising any utilities this year as well
[1:05:44] which is a great thing.
[1:05:45] >> I I get that. I just you know it's it's
[1:05:49] just everything and it's month after
[1:05:51] month and it's it's hard.
[1:05:53] We all know that everyone in this room.
[1:05:55] So.
[1:05:57] >> Any other comments from the council?
[1:06:00] Then I would entertain a motion.
[1:06:02] >> I'll make a motion that we approve the
[1:06:04] fiscal year 26-27 executive municipal
[1:06:07] officers compensation.
[1:06:09] >> Have a motion.
[1:06:10] >> I'll second.
[1:06:11] >> Seconded by council member Ryan.
[1:06:14] Start with council member Lacy.
[1:06:17] >> Yes.
[1:06:18] >> Council member Brian.
[1:06:18] >> Yes.
[1:06:19] >> Council member Ryan.
[1:06:20] >> Yes.
[1:06:21] >> Council member Ann.
[1:06:22] >> Yes.
[1:06:23] >> Motion carries.
[1:06:25] Okay moving on to item number three
[1:06:27] public hearing
[1:06:29] of fiscal year 2026-2027
[1:06:32] enterprise
[1:06:34] fund transfers.
[1:06:35] I would accept the motion to open a
[1:06:37] public hearing.
[1:06:38] >> So moved.
[1:06:40] >> Motion and a second council member Moss.
[1:06:43] >> Yes.
[1:06:43] >> Council member Ryan.
[1:06:44] >> Yes.
[1:06:45] >> Council member Brian.
[1:06:46] >> Yes.
[1:06:47] >> Council member Ann. Or council member
[1:06:48] Lacy.
[1:06:50] >> Yes.
[1:06:51] >> This is hard.
[1:06:52] >> [laughter]
[1:06:53] >> Good job Bob.
[1:06:53] >> The nightmare doesn't come.
[1:06:57] Okay public hearing is open once again.
[1:07:00] Citizens and staff
[1:07:02] have the opportunity to come forward and
[1:07:04] uh
[1:07:06] give us some public input on the
[1:07:07] enterprise enterprise fund transfers
[1:07:10] as presented to us.
[1:07:12] And just so you know, we seem to be
[1:07:14] moving quickly.
[1:07:16] We've been working on this budget since
[1:07:18] Lacy and I took office in January.
[1:07:21] We've had work sessions. We've had
[1:07:23] continual feedback and discussions. And
[1:07:26] we're to the point now that we think
[1:07:28] we've got
[1:07:30] our budget where we can face the
[1:07:31] citizens of Payson.
[1:07:33] Uh
[1:07:35] we're mindful of
[1:07:37] salaries. We're mindful of increasing
[1:07:39] costs of
[1:07:41] everything from fuel to food.
[1:07:43] But we're also mindful of the increasing
[1:07:45] costs that are passed on to the cities
[1:07:48] from
[1:07:49] the entities that we do business with to
[1:07:51] make the city function.
[1:07:53] Taking all that in the washing machine
[1:07:55] and what comes out of that is we chose
[1:07:58] not to raise any fees this year,
[1:08:01] any taxes.
[1:08:03] Uh at some point
[1:08:05] we're going to have to bite the bullet
[1:08:07] and do that, but it's not this year.
[1:08:09] We felt like that we needed a
[1:08:12] an opportunity to catch our breath and
[1:08:14] take a a good hard look at where else we
[1:08:16] can cut. We went to our department heads
[1:08:20] uh at the beginning of the budget
[1:08:21] process and asked them to to cut 5% out
[1:08:25] of their budgets.
[1:08:26] And I think the department heads done
[1:08:29] wonderful
[1:08:30] uh to to bring this to where we are
[1:08:33] tonight.
[1:08:34] So that's a little bit of history of
[1:08:35] where we're at in this budget process.
[1:08:38] So if anybody would like to come
[1:08:40] forward,
[1:08:41] uh
[1:08:42] now's the time.
[1:08:45] Emily, anybody online?
[1:08:47] Not seeing Wait.
[1:08:51] Would you like to come forward and
[1:08:53] >> Is this about the enterprise fund
[1:08:54] transfers?
[1:08:55] >> Yeah.
[1:08:55] >> Yep, this is the enterprise fund.
[1:08:57] >> Enterprise fund.
[1:08:58] >> The next one The next one will be the
[1:09:00] budget. Yep.
[1:09:02] Which one would you like to speak on?
[1:09:04] >> I'm
[1:09:05] standing in knowing if
[1:09:07] the
[1:09:08] sewage
[1:09:10] is covering only Kayson or if it's
[1:09:13] covering
[1:09:14] surrounding towns.
[1:09:16] >> Okay, let us finish this one and then we'll be
[1:09:19] on that one very next.
[1:09:22] All right, not seeing anyone else online
[1:09:25] or in public.
[1:09:26] I would entertain a motion to close the
[1:09:28] public hearing.
[1:09:28] >> So moved.
[1:09:29] Second.
[1:09:30] >> Second by Brian. I have a motion and a
[1:09:33] second. Council member Lacey.
[1:09:35] >> Yes.
[1:09:35] >> Council member Brian.
[1:09:36] >> Yes.
[1:09:37] >> Council member Ryan.
[1:09:38] >> Yes.
[1:09:38] >> And council member Ann.
[1:09:40] >> Yes.
[1:09:40] >> Motion passes
[1:09:42] to close the public hearing. Is there
[1:09:44] any other input from council?
[1:09:46] >> I I have one question. Cath- Cathy,
[1:09:48] where'd you where'd you go? Oh, there
[1:09:50] she is. Okay, very good. Um and I don't
[1:09:53] know if this is uh regarding this, but
[1:09:55] uh for the approved budget of 20 uh I was I was curious about the park
[1:10:03] impact fee and why that took such a
[1:10:05] dramatic uh dramatic change, a change of uh it went from 700,000 up to 1.2.
[1:10:12] >> Cuz I we're using fund reserves.
[1:10:15] >> Think we added the 500,000 for the
[1:10:17] >> Oh, the expenditure side of it. I
[1:10:19] apologize.
[1:10:20] Um
[1:10:21] >> Was that the 500,000 for the
[1:10:22] >> No, I don't think so. This is for park
[1:10:25] impact.
[1:10:26] >> Let me look. I'm I apologize. I'm going
[1:10:28] to have to I'm more of a visual
[1:10:30] >> And like I said, this this is on the
[1:10:31] previous year's budget. So if this is a
[1:10:33] conversation had for a different time,
[1:10:34] that's fine, too.
[1:10:36] >> Okay.
[1:10:37] >> I'm looking at the combined funds
[1:10:40] uh for the approved budget 6 30 2026.
[1:10:46] » I'm trying to I'm trying to think.
[1:10:48] Go back.
[1:10:49] >> You're in the enterprise fund, right?
[1:10:52] >> We're in the general fund right now.
[1:10:55] It's in
[1:10:56] Okay.
[1:10:58] Yeah, that
[1:10:59] That's park tax. Were you calling park
[1:11:01] tax or park impact?
[1:11:03] >> Impact.
[1:11:03] >> Park impact.
[1:11:13] This current budget.
[1:11:15] Maybe Carl can answer that question.
[1:11:17] Thank you.
[1:11:18] I just saw the change just from
[1:11:19] >> We had it a couple of things last year.
[1:11:21] We added the um additional funds to the
[1:11:24] high school for additional tennis
[1:11:25] courts.
[1:11:26] >> Okay.
[1:11:27] >> 350 and we also added the Wilson school
[1:11:30] payment.
[1:11:31] >> Okay, very good. That answers that
[1:11:32] question. Thank you.
[1:11:34] >> Apologize about that.
[1:11:36] >> Thanks, Carl.
[1:11:37] >> that. Thank you.
[1:11:38] >> Stick around.
[1:11:41] >> [laughter]
[1:11:41] >> We're not done with you.
[1:11:43] No, you're good for right now.
[1:11:46] Are there any other discussion from the
[1:11:47] council?
[1:11:48] >> Um I just want to say I appreciate the
[1:11:51] lowering of what you normally um do.
[1:11:56] My goal down the road, I would love it
[1:11:58] even more cuz I would love to be able to
[1:11:59] use
[1:12:01] the money that we're moving it from
[1:12:04] for the for some other things, too, but
[1:12:05] I think it's awesome. I think it's
[1:12:07] great. And so I just wanted to just
[1:12:09] state that that
[1:12:11] >> Right. And and that's our goal coming
[1:12:13] up. We will still have the indirect
[1:12:15] services because the enterprise funds
[1:12:18] are supposed to pay for their own
[1:12:19] services and that that's the allocation
[1:12:22] there, but yeah.
[1:12:25] » On the enterprise fund transfers, do we
[1:12:28] have any kind of uh
[1:12:30] plan or or goal set up to ever use uh
[1:12:33] some of these transfers, some of the uh
[1:12:35] extra funds? I know they could be used
[1:12:37] in a million different ways, but but to
[1:12:39] start attacking some of Payson City's
[1:12:41] debt a little more aggressively. Is that
[1:12:43] ever something that we that we discuss?
[1:12:46] >> Most of the debt we well, we have two
[1:12:48] primary sources of debt. We have the
[1:12:49] pool bond that's going to expire
[1:12:52] 2027 27. And then we have the enterprise
[1:12:56] fund debt. So,
[1:12:58] we really once it's transferred it's
[1:13:00] transferred to another fund, but we can
[1:13:03] use whatever's revenue whatever revenue
[1:13:05] is in the enterprise funds itself
[1:13:07] because they sort self-contained
[1:13:08] businesses.
[1:13:10] Did that answer your question at all?
[1:13:13] >> Yeah, I just I just think moving forward
[1:13:15] if you know, I know it's a drop in the
[1:13:17] bucket, but just just attacking that
[1:13:19] adding a little bit of extra to those to
[1:13:21] those debt service I think is is wise
[1:13:23] and prudent with the residents funds and
[1:13:25] to try to try to get us our head above
[1:13:27] water as fast as we can to to be out of
[1:13:30] the bondage of interest.
[1:13:31] >> Right. Right. And I agree. One of the
[1:13:33] things we are concerned about though is
[1:13:35] that we have sufficient fund reserves in
[1:13:37] the enterprise fund. So, if there is
[1:13:40] a crisis or
[1:13:42] you know, a a natural disaster or
[1:13:44] something that that these funds can act
[1:13:46] to on behalf of the citizens to provide
[1:13:48] services still. So, we don't want to
[1:13:50] eliminate all that.
[1:13:52] >> Right.
[1:13:53] Thank you.
[1:13:55] >> Any other discussion council?
[1:13:58] Then I would entertain a motion.
[1:14:00] >> I motion that we approve the fiscal year
[1:14:03] 2026-2027
[1:14:05] enterprise fund transfers.
[1:14:07] >> I'll second.
[1:14:08] >> I have a motion and a second. Council
[1:14:10] member N?
[1:14:10] >> Yes.
[1:14:11] >> Council member Ryan?
[1:14:12] >> Yes.
[1:14:12] >> Council member Brian?
[1:14:13] >> Yes.
[1:14:14] >> And Council member Lacy?
[1:14:15] >> Yes.
[1:14:17] >> Motion carries.
[1:14:18] I'm going to be all night long counting
[1:14:20] these.
[1:14:22] Okay, item number four. I guess one does being mayor pro tem negate his
[1:14:27] ability to vote as a council member? Can
[1:14:30] I vote?
[1:14:31] >> Oh, okay.
[1:14:32] >> Cuz it hasn't affected any votes right
[1:14:33] now. We're okay, but
[1:14:34] >> But I yeah, you still vote, Bob.
[1:14:36] >> Oh.
[1:14:36] >> Yeah.
[1:14:37] >> Then all minor yes.
[1:14:39] >> Okay.
[1:14:40] >> So far.
[1:14:43] Council member?
[1:14:47] » I I think it'd be good to, you know,
[1:14:49] especially on budget
[1:14:49] >> have Bob's input and vote on this, too.
[1:14:51] So.
[1:14:52] >> I would like to.
[1:14:53] >> Okay. All right.
[1:14:54] Now, the big one. Item number four,
[1:14:56] public hearing
[1:14:58] uh on the adoption of fiscal year
[1:15:00] 2026-2027
[1:15:02] budget. I would entertain a motion to
[1:15:04] open a public hearing.
[1:15:05] >> So moved.
[1:15:06] >> Second.
[1:15:07] >> Motion and a second. Council member
[1:15:09] Lacey?
[1:15:10] >> Yes.
[1:15:10] >> Council member Brian?
[1:15:11] >> Yes.
[1:15:11] >> Council member Ryan?
[1:15:12] >> Yes.
[1:15:13] >> Council member Ann?
[1:15:14] >> Yes.
[1:15:15] >> Public and Council member Bob?
[1:15:16] >> Yes.
[1:15:19] » Public hearing is open. Anybody that
[1:15:21] would like to make comment concerning
[1:15:24] the entire fiscal year budget may now
[1:15:27] come forward.
[1:15:29] This would be a great time for your
[1:15:31] question.
[1:15:39] No, you're fine right there.
[1:15:41] We
[1:15:42] Okay, you need to come to the
[1:15:43] microphone. Sorry.
[1:15:44] >> Can I take the mic? Can I take the mic?
[1:15:46] >> We're not sure if somebody's online and
[1:15:47] they can't hear you.
[1:15:49] >> You can bring it over here. You're free
[1:15:50] to sit down if you'd like.
[1:15:58] » My name's Heidi Perry and
[1:16:01] I've I've lived here for two or three
[1:16:04] years and the
[1:16:07] sewer cost shocks us every time we look
[1:16:11] at it.
[1:16:13] Um we came from Battle Mountain, Utah
[1:16:16] and they charged like 30, 45 dollars for
[1:16:19] six months.
[1:16:21] So, when we look at the cost here, it we
[1:16:25] just about faint.
[1:16:27] Um
[1:16:28] I understand that we're having to build
[1:16:31] a new
[1:16:32] facility.
[1:16:34] Um that we're required to do for federal
[1:16:37] reasons or something.
[1:16:39] But, I'm wondering
[1:16:41] does will it include service for towns
[1:16:45] around us
[1:16:47] and are they helping to pay for any of
[1:16:51] it if so?
[1:16:54] >> I can answer a lot of that for you.
[1:16:56] Uh
[1:16:58] So we were mandated to update the sewer
[1:17:01] plant uh by the EPA.
[1:17:04] And we took uh
[1:17:07] costing bids.
[1:17:08] We came in
[1:17:09] and I'll preface this by saying
[1:17:12] I was on the council prior to this time
[1:17:15] and I spent a lot of time in Logan.
[1:17:17] I spent a lot of time in Provo and I
[1:17:20] spent time with Spanish Fork
[1:17:22] on what they were having to do cuz they
[1:17:23] was they was 2 years ahead of us.
[1:17:26] We we got told that there was going to
[1:17:28] be some changes and so we held off
[1:17:32] and COVID hit
[1:17:34] and it just drove everything out of the
[1:17:36] bucket.
[1:17:38] Then the Biden administration put a time
[1:17:41] period that we had to meet on and so we
[1:17:44] had to move.
[1:17:46] We went through the process and I must
[1:17:49] say
[1:17:49] for what we did so Logan originally
[1:17:52] budgeted $86 million. They come in at
[1:17:55] 119.
[1:17:57] Uh I can't remember Provo's. It was it
[1:17:59] was even more staggering. Spanish Fork
[1:18:01] was about the same percentage. They were
[1:18:03] about 38% higher than what the original
[1:18:07] council budgeted cost was.
[1:18:10] Payson City budgeted $70 million
[1:18:13] for our sewer upgrade and one thing that
[1:18:16] gave us the leg up is immediately we
[1:18:19] started purchasing
[1:18:21] the long-range products that we were
[1:18:23] going to need to complete the project
[1:18:26] and paid for them at that point of the
[1:18:28] project early on.
[1:18:30] So we beat the cost increases. We beat
[1:18:33] everything. Last council meeting we
[1:18:36] approved the final $5 million of
[1:18:40] $70 million. We came in right at budget.
[1:18:44] So, we don't have any cost overruns.
[1:18:47] We're we're right where we need to be
[1:18:49] and we that's been a lot Hats off to our
[1:18:51] contractor that's down there. Hats off
[1:18:54] to our staff and hats off to our
[1:18:56] administration for staying on top of
[1:18:58] that like a hawk.
[1:19:00] Uh
[1:19:01] in answer to your to your do we share
[1:19:04] sewer
[1:19:05] we have interlocal agreements
[1:19:07] uh with certain cities.
[1:19:09] We do supply sewer for for Elkridge City
[1:19:12] right now.
[1:19:14] But, we also have uh interlocal
[1:19:16] agreements with them on water.
[1:19:19] That we we connect to some of their
[1:19:21] water systems.
[1:19:23] Do they uh
[1:19:25] do they pay their fair share?
[1:19:26] Absolutely.
[1:19:28] Yep, they do.
[1:19:29] We we are not a council that is in
[1:19:32] business to
[1:19:34] be the big brother anymore.
[1:19:36] Uh Payson City is Payson City and the
[1:19:39] other cities are cities that need to pay
[1:19:40] their own way. And so, we treat it as a
[1:19:43] business.
[1:19:44] And they have to pay their fair share.
[1:19:47] >> Okay. Um I'm going to say I
[1:19:51] Here's the bad Lacy.
[1:19:52] I disagree with that. I've asked since
[1:19:55] January that we do a study to see if
[1:19:57] they are paying paying their fair share.
[1:20:00] Based on the papers, I don't think so,
[1:20:03] but that's just me. I was told that they
[1:20:05] were given the chance to help
[1:20:08] like buy into the sewer upgrade or
[1:20:10] system
[1:20:12] and they did not want to.
[1:20:15] And so, for me I see it as again an
[1:20:18] incoming resident who also pays a large
[1:20:21] sewer bill.
[1:20:22] And um
[1:20:25] I I first asked the question in January
[1:20:27] though, but I see it as
[1:20:29] they're They're a great smoking deal and
[1:20:32] we're the ones paying the bond back, and
[1:20:35] I also know that that city then up
[1:20:37] charges
[1:20:38] their residents because they maintain
[1:20:41] the lines in their city.
[1:20:43] Um it would cost them a lot more if they
[1:20:45] even could build their own, and so
[1:20:49] I will keep pushing for the study to be
[1:20:51] done. I know it takes time. I know what
[1:20:53] Travis said it could take 6 months or
[1:20:55] so, but we have the money for that.
[1:20:58] Um
[1:20:59] and so
[1:21:01] me personally, I want the same answer,
[1:21:03] and I haven't been able to get it yet,
[1:21:05] but I hope in the next within the next
[1:21:07] year we have that answer, and then we
[1:21:10] can figure it out, but
[1:21:13] that's just my opinion.
[1:21:14] >> I I can answer that a little bit if I
[1:21:16] may.
[1:21:17] The original agreement with Elkridge
[1:21:19] City is that we were to give them 1,500
[1:21:23] Was it 1,500 even?
[1:21:27] At at a set price with cost increases
[1:21:30] that we would incur, we would pass on to
[1:21:33] their bill also.
[1:21:35] >> Okay.
[1:21:35] >> We're nearing that connection total. I
[1:21:38] think we're about 1,300 right now.
[1:21:40] So, in the next year or two, maybe 3
[1:21:43] years,
[1:21:44] there will need to be either a new
[1:21:46] agreement or Elkridge City will have to
[1:21:49] entertain the thought of going with
[1:21:50] Salem
[1:21:52] or doing their own sewer system.
[1:21:54] >> Okay.
[1:21:55] >> Uh I I I'm very sensitive to what Lacy
[1:21:59] said, cuz I was part of that. Uh that
[1:22:02] was years ago when Elkridge City first
[1:22:05] came to us.
[1:22:06] Uh
[1:22:07] and we felt like at the time
[1:22:10] a lot of these agreements are aged,
[1:22:12] right?
[1:22:13] And so what looks like a good deal
[1:22:15] today,
[1:22:17] it probably is a better deal than them
[1:22:19] having their own sewer system, but
[1:22:21] that's the agreement that we've had to
[1:22:22] live with.
[1:22:23] They also have to uh, with their
[1:22:26] agreements they made two connections to
[1:22:28] us for water.
[1:22:30] And so, we feel like we're getting a
[1:22:32] pretty good deal there, also.
[1:22:34] >> Okay.
[1:22:35] >> If Does that answer it? I mean, Lacey's
[1:22:38] correct. Uh, are they paying their total
[1:22:40] fair share? No, but we're bound by an
[1:22:43] agreement
[1:22:44] >> Okay.
[1:22:44] >> that was signed several, several, years ago.
[1:22:47] >> Okay. And is that the only one that
[1:22:51] >> Woodland Hills.
[1:22:53] Yep. And And
[1:22:54] >> And it is time we we evaluate those
[1:22:56] agreements and and get them improved to help benefit uh, our city that's taking on the bulk of the
[1:23:03] responsibility and charge of that. We
[1:23:04] want to be good neighbors. Uh, we don't
[1:23:06] want to uh, take advantage of our
[1:23:08] neighboring cities, but we can't let the Payson residents subsidize it,
[1:23:11] either. So, it is time we reevaluate.
[1:23:13] >> Okay.
[1:23:14] And one other question.
[1:23:15] >> with that completely.
[1:23:17] >> I have one other question.
[1:23:18] >> Mhm.
[1:23:19] >> Um, we were told that we may have
[1:23:22] lead in our water.
[1:23:24] When does that process take place of
[1:23:28] whether we're going to have that
[1:23:30] [clears throat] fixed?
[1:23:31] >> Travis, can you We we do
[1:23:34] We we monitor for lead often, and so,
[1:23:36] Travis can answer those questions.
[1:23:39] >> Travis is our utilities
[1:23:41] guru.
[1:23:42] >> the EPA said we had to go and identify
[1:23:46] any lead or copper that was in our water
[1:23:48] system and let the residents that are
[1:23:50] that have that in their lateral or or a
[1:23:52] main line know that.
[1:23:54] As far as I know, we don't have any
[1:23:55] lead, but we have galvanized and copper.
[1:23:58] So, we've notified everyone that has
[1:24:00] that, and we're actively replacing our
[1:24:03] side of it, but the homeowner is
[1:24:05] required from the meter to their house
[1:24:07] to replace it if they have any
[1:24:08] galvanized lines like they're old.
[1:24:13] So, as far as I know, we don't have any
[1:24:15] actual lead, but there are galvanized
[1:24:18] lines and and copper that the EPA
[1:24:20] doesn't like. So, we are doing our part,
[1:24:23] but we have to let the residents know
[1:24:25] until they replace theirs that every
[1:24:27] year we have to notify them that they
[1:24:29] have that risk.
[1:24:31] So.
[1:24:31] >> So,
[1:24:33] the first part of my house was built, I
[1:24:36] think, in 1884.
[1:24:38] And the the last part in 2013,
[1:24:41] and something in the middle.
[1:24:44] So, we're finding all kinds of surprises
[1:24:48] with what we bought.
[1:24:50] And we're just kind of trying to figure
[1:24:52] out
[1:24:54] when we can get sidewalks, and
[1:24:57] do we get clean water?
[1:24:59] We have very little water pressure. How
[1:25:02] does that Does that affect there? So,
[1:25:05] um if you could talk to me more about
[1:25:07] that, I'd appreciate it.
[1:25:09] >> Yeah, if you want to get a hold of me,
[1:25:10] like, we can go through anything. I I
[1:25:12] don't know if we want to go through all
[1:25:13] that tonight, but
[1:25:14] >> Okay.
[1:25:15] >> But yeah, I you know, we try to do our
[1:25:17] best, like, you know, water, it could be
[1:25:20] an issue in your house, like, cuz we
[1:25:22] have hard water in Payson. So, you get
[1:25:24] that that calcium deposit, that can
[1:25:26] build up in your lines. Like, I just
[1:25:29] replaced the PRV in my house, which is a
[1:25:30] pressure pressure-reducing valve, and my
[1:25:32] pressure went way up.
[1:25:34] >> Okay.
[1:25:34] >> Cuz I had had I've lived there for 23
[1:25:37] years, and mine had gone down, so I did
[1:25:39] that in my own house to fix it. That's
[1:25:41] not the city's responsibility, that's
[1:25:43] the homeowner, so we can definitely
[1:25:45] check your area, and see if there's any
[1:25:47] issues with anything on our side, but it
[1:25:50] also could be on your side, too, so.
[1:25:51] >> Okay. I appreciate that. And what was
[1:25:53] your name?
[1:25:53] >> Travis.
[1:25:54] >> I'm the public works director, so.
[1:25:56] >> Travis Yokoman.
[1:25:57] >> Travis Yo
[1:25:58] >> Jocumsen.
[1:25:59] >> Jo Jocumsen.
[1:25:59] >> Okay.
[1:26:00] >> [laughter]
[1:26:01] >> All right, thank you.
[1:26:02] >> You say Prols Guard, I say Prols Guard.
[1:26:05] >> Thank you.
[1:26:06] >> [laughter]
[1:26:06] >> You're Prols Guard.
[1:26:07] >> Thanks, Travis.
[1:26:08] >> Thanks. Thank you for your comments.
[1:26:11] Are there any other comments?
[1:26:15] Anyone online, Emily?
[1:26:17] Not seeing anyone online.
[1:26:19] Uh I would accept a motion to close the
[1:26:21] public hearing.
[1:26:22] >> So moved.
[1:26:22] >> Second.
[1:26:23] >> Have a motion and a second. Council
[1:26:25] member Ann.
[1:26:26] >> Yes.
[1:26:26] >> Council member Ryan.
[1:26:28] >> Yes.
[1:26:28] >> Council member Brian.
[1:26:29] >> Yes.
[1:26:30] >> Council member Lacey.
[1:26:31] >> Yes.
[1:26:32] >> All right, Council.
[1:26:33] >> Are we talking about the budget?
[1:26:34] >> We are on the budget.
[1:26:35] >> Okay.
[1:26:35] >> Public hearing is closed. Oh, Council
[1:26:37] member Bob. Yes.
[1:26:40] >> Thank you. Okay. Um I I have a few
[1:26:42] questions and and uh want to float a few
[1:26:45] things before the Council, too. Um
[1:26:48] uh
[1:26:49] the the current budget is is 2% less
[1:26:52] than the budget we had last year, which
[1:26:54] I applaud uh all of the department heads
[1:26:56] all the departments for cutting budgets.
[1:26:58] Thank you. Thank you for doing well with the funds that you have and even
[1:27:01] trying to reduce that. Thank you so
[1:27:02] much. Really, this is a this is a good
[1:27:04] conservative budget. I appreciate that.
[1:27:07] There are a few items I do see I wonder
[1:27:09] about cutting and I want to get the
[1:27:10] Council's uh input on.
[1:27:13] Um uh the the first is is one that I had
[1:27:16] thought about and now I'm wondering
[1:27:17] about is is the the business park uh
[1:27:20] road overlay.
[1:27:21] Uh one one concern I have about that is
[1:27:24] uh they're going to be a bunch more
[1:27:25] connections that we'll have to make and
[1:27:28] tear that up anyway. That road's not in
[1:27:29] terrible shape now. Uh I do wonder if if
[1:27:32] that's something we postpone for a few
[1:27:33] more years or if you guys feel it truly
[1:27:35] is is needed right now.
[1:27:37] >> As we talked about that,
[1:27:40] you and I,
[1:27:41] uh the answer is we've stubbed all of
[1:27:44] our sewer and water and utilities
[1:27:47] foreseeable into the lots
[1:27:50] down there. Now, that doesn't mean that
[1:27:52] uh
[1:27:53] something new could come in and demand
[1:27:56] more, Ryan. That would require
[1:27:58] >> Mhm.
[1:27:58] >> additional
[1:28:00] out in the street.
[1:28:01] Uh I think the the concern is we were
[1:28:05] originally going to chip and seal it,
[1:28:07] >> Mhm. [clears throat]
[1:28:07] >> but we've started if you've driven down
[1:28:10] there, we've started collecting a lot of
[1:28:13] uh what I call spider webs
[1:28:16] that we've
[1:28:17] uh
[1:28:20] damaged the the surface below. The the
[1:28:22] road base and what have you is is no
[1:28:25] longer holding and so it needs to be
[1:28:27] resealed.
[1:28:28] And we felt like rather than spending
[1:28:31] a couple hundred thousand dollars on
[1:28:35] the chip and seal that we would be
[1:28:37] better to rotomill it and and re-overlay
[1:28:40] it.
[1:28:41] >> So, I got a few comments on this. One is
[1:28:43] I was the one that brought this up
[1:28:44] because this is RDA money. It's not in
[1:28:47] our general budget. It's RDA money and
[1:28:50] we have RDA funds that were
[1:28:53] came from property taxes in that area
[1:28:56] and it has to be spent in that area. We
[1:28:58] have millions of dollars, so it needs to
[1:28:59] be go back in the area, but that's the
[1:29:02] thing to look at if it makes sense now
[1:29:03] or not, but it makes sense to use the
[1:29:05] RDA funds. It's not funds that come from
[1:29:08] the general population.
[1:29:09] >> Is there a timeline on when we have to
[1:29:11] use those RDA funds, Brian?
[1:29:12] >> I don't think
[1:29:13] >> No, I don't think so.
[1:29:14] >> And Okay. Uh Travis and and is that
[1:29:17] accurate? Do we do we have stuff stubbed
[1:29:19] into the individual lots?
[1:29:21] >> Um yes and no. There are a lot of stubs,
[1:29:23] but obviously if they subdivide
[1:29:25] differently and add a lot, you know, or
[1:29:27] do something then that may or may not
[1:29:29] work out, but yeah, there are a lot of
[1:29:32] lines, so hopefully we could avoid
[1:29:34] cutting it, but I've learned no matter
[1:29:36] what you do, somebody will come along 5
[1:29:38] minutes after you just finished
[1:29:40] >> They're wanting to cut it.
[1:29:41] >> We do have a moratorium where we don't allow them to for a certain
[1:29:46] number of years, but you know, like I
[1:29:48] said, any new development, it's hard to
[1:29:50] say for sure that you're not going to
[1:29:51] have to go back in, but there are quite
[1:29:53] a few there.
[1:29:54] >> So, you're saying if we if we totally
[1:29:56] replace this road, we have a moratorium
[1:29:57] and when will let someone dig in and and tie in?
[1:30:01] >> So, if we obviously we can definitely
[1:30:03] look at that where they all are
[1:30:05] and do our best to, you know, estimate if that's going to work before
[1:30:10] we obviously redo the road. And if we
[1:30:11] need to add one here or there, we could
[1:30:14] that would be cheaper to do it then than
[1:30:15] obviously after we just paved it, but I just looked yeah, we have quite a
[1:30:19] few that are stubbed out on those empty
[1:30:21] lots a lot there, so
[1:30:25] >> Any comment on that with the sewers out
[1:30:27] of it?
[1:30:27] >> Yes.
[1:30:37] Yeah.
[1:30:39] but then and is that fine metric?
[1:30:41] I don't want to wait forever for it
[1:30:42] develop to to repave it, but I drove it today. I just don't know if
[1:30:45] it's needed now or not, so
[1:30:47] >> That's That's why I was looking at just
[1:30:49] a slurry seal just for the cracks are
[1:30:51] and just do that and get the slurry done, so
[1:30:55] >> Yeah, so there's the cost of the slurry,
[1:30:57] there's the cost of the
[1:30:59] >> How much would the cost of the slurry
[1:31:00] be?
[1:31:01] >> The cost of the slurry is about 124,000
[1:31:03] and to redo the road is is 504 and I
[1:31:06] know Bob met with Kent and talked about
[1:31:09] that and obviously slurry is just a
[1:31:11] band-aid.
[1:31:11] >> Yeah, there might be some areas where
[1:31:12] you have to do a more intensive
[1:31:15] treatment cuz slurry is basically just
[1:31:17] what it is. It's just a thin coat. If
[1:31:19] you have cracks in that, it'll seal
[1:31:21] them, but it's not going to stop them.
[1:31:23] >> Mhm.
[1:31:23] >> Whereas if you have some bad areas, we
[1:31:25] might need to dig those up, actually
[1:31:27] beef that section of the road up, but
[1:31:29] you know, we could look at a combination
[1:31:30] of doing
[1:31:32] the the more intensive repairs and then
[1:31:33] doing the slurry over once we get that
[1:31:35] without doing everything, but that's
[1:31:37] something we'll have to look at the
[1:31:38] condition.
[1:31:39] >> So one thing I was just thinking of and
[1:31:40] I'm not an expert on roads at all, but
[1:31:42] where the cracks are, it's just go in
[1:31:44] fill, you know, do the cracks and that
[1:31:46] wouldn't be the 123,000 and just be and
[1:31:49] that's more in the middle than than the
[1:31:51] middle part of the road.
[1:31:52] >> width and depth of the crack matters cuz
[1:31:54] if it gets too wide, just trying to
[1:31:56] crack seal it doesn't work very well cuz
[1:31:58] it gets too big, so sometimes you got to
[1:32:00] cut like a 5-ft section out, re-compact
[1:32:03] base in that, and then pave it, but
[1:32:05] that's definitely something we can look
[1:32:07] at and some go somewhere in between
[1:32:09] those two costs basically.
[1:32:10] >> Yeah, I just didn't want it fall to
[1:32:12] pieces while we have money that we can
[1:32:13] fix it. So, let's keep it up up to snuff
[1:32:16] and whether we need to do the whole
[1:32:18] thing or not, it doesn't matter to me as
[1:32:19] long as we keep on top of it.
[1:32:21] >> Yeah, I think we could do a combination
[1:32:22] of it.
[1:32:23] >> I would How would the council feel it if we if we approve them a certain
[1:32:27] amount to to go after that road and and
[1:32:30] preserve it, but maybe not totally redo
[1:32:32] it.
[1:32:32] >> big comment as well, Dave.
[1:32:34] >> Um we are expecting and anticipating a
[1:32:37] pretty significant development
[1:32:39] >> Yep.
[1:32:39] >> uh to occur. Uh it might be prudent to pause and see what that specific
[1:32:46] development needs to do. Uh you know, if
[1:32:48] there's money in the budget to to
[1:32:51] come in after that one is done uh with
[1:32:53] whatever tie-ins may or may not be
[1:32:55] necessary, that might be a little bit
[1:32:57] more prudent in this situation.
[1:32:59] >> I like that idea.
[1:33:00] >> And sorry, are we not talking about
[1:33:02] We're We're this That's a budget
[1:33:04] >> It's the RDA It's the RDA budget which
[1:33:06] is Okay.
[1:33:07] >> So, I'll bring that up next time then.
[1:33:09] Uh but you know what I'm going to bring
[1:33:10] up now. My My other My other question um
[1:33:14] is the
[1:33:15] uh the HVAC system uh for the building.
[1:33:19] Um the the 700,000.
[1:33:22] How many times have we rolled that over?
[1:33:23] Do you know, Kathy?
[1:33:24] >> I think this is It might be the third.
[1:33:28] >> What did you say?
[1:33:29] >> Third.
[1:33:30] year? Okay, do do we have any
[1:33:31] information of why that keeps getting
[1:33:33] rolled over?
[1:33:34] >> Yeah, why isn't it getting Why isn't it
[1:33:36] getting done?
[1:33:37] >> I know this year we went out for a
[1:33:38] formal bid. We hadn't done that
[1:33:40] previously. We got a contractor now
[1:33:42] online, but they don't want to do that
[1:33:45] project until May when it's cooler so
[1:33:47] that we have air conditioning.
[1:33:48] >> I thought you had said it was the fall.
[1:33:51] >> Well, oh, sorry. Did I say
[1:33:52] >> So, yeah, but I like I was going to
[1:33:56] bring this exact thing up um because I
[1:33:59] feel like this is baby sewer plant and
[1:34:03] we'll just keep kicking it and HVAC
[1:34:05] systems just keep getting more and more
[1:34:06] and if we get a bid now
[1:34:08] I don't feel like it's going to be
[1:34:11] suffi- like it's not going to be bids
[1:34:13] are only good for so long and so
[1:34:15] >> 3 seconds is
[1:34:15] >> Yeah, exactly. And so and if you even
[1:34:18] purchase the stuff now, it may not be
[1:34:20] compliant in a year. But it's
[1:34:24] Sorry to take your time, Ryan. But so
[1:34:26] when I was sitting in your office and
[1:34:28] I'm going to I'm going to preach it.
[1:34:31] I think everyone knows that I am a
[1:34:33] lead by example and as we were sitting
[1:34:36] in your office, number one I made the
[1:34:37] example. If you go to Chief Bishop's
[1:34:39] office, you're in Florida with the fruit
[1:34:41] flies.
[1:34:42] And then you go to your office and you
[1:34:45] have a inefficient
[1:34:47] window AC unit blaring all day.
[1:34:51] And here we are
[1:34:53] trying to get our residents to be more
[1:34:55] efficient. And all that HVAC system is
[1:34:58] going to do is help be efficient in this
[1:35:00] building and even if one day this isn't
[1:35:02] our city building, it's an improvement
[1:35:05] to the building. And so for me
[1:35:08] personally, I don't want to keep kicking
[1:35:10] it, but that's just my thing, but
[1:35:13] >> I still want to know why why it took 3
[1:35:15] years to
[1:35:17] put out for a bid.
[1:35:19] Why didn't we do this the first year?
[1:35:22] >> I can't remember. Do you remember, Dave?
[1:35:25] Do you remember?
[1:35:27] >> I didn't pull that.
[1:35:29] last
[1:35:32] I need to find out.
[1:35:33] >> Yeah, we'll find out for you.
[1:35:35] >> Okay.
[1:35:35] >> So I guess I guess for me personally, I
[1:35:37] yeah I feel uh a little different than Lacy. I wonder about just cutting that if we're going to keep
[1:35:42] rolling it over and and really judge if that's the best use of the funds to put in this building right now or
[1:35:48] not. So that's something I'm
[1:35:49] considering.
[1:35:50] >> If if to do it, let's do it. If we're
[1:35:51] not, then
[1:35:52] >> Yes.
[1:35:53] >> Take it off. Totally agree.
[1:35:54] >> Cuz I don't I don't see anything in the
[1:35:55] near future that we're going to get a
[1:35:57] new building.
[1:35:58] >> No.
[1:35:59] >> And I and I hear both of you.
[1:36:02] But I know that our employees are
[1:36:03] suffering, too. They're They're dying in
[1:36:06] all the seasons.
[1:36:06] >> I I just I fear and I don't know. I just
[1:36:08] wonder if if if we haven't done it
[1:36:10] because we don't know for sure if it'll
[1:36:12] fix the problem. The HVAC.
[1:36:13] >> That's a good question.
[1:36:14] >> That's not been the reason.
[1:36:16] >> I I don't believe it is. And I'm going
[1:36:18] to verify that it has been 3 It might be
[1:36:20] 2. It was 6
[1:36:21] >> I think the first year we budgeted, it
[1:36:23] was
[1:36:24] and he did get some bids. It was not
[1:36:27] enough money in the budget. It was a lot
[1:36:28] more expensive than what we had
[1:36:30] anticipated.
[1:36:30] >> And that's why we carried the 200,000
[1:36:32] >> over and added more to it.
[1:36:34] >> Yep, and added more to it to make it
[1:36:36] work.
[1:36:37] >> It was totally cost.
[1:36:39] >> Will it be the entire building or will
[1:36:41] it just be the office the offices on
[1:36:43] this side or will it be the offices over
[1:36:45] there or will it be
[1:36:46] >> My understanding is the air handler for
[1:36:48] this side of the building.
[1:36:49] >> That's my understanding.
[1:36:49] >> Yep. Yeah.
[1:36:50] >> So, just one side.
[1:36:52] >> But yeah, just just saying 700 grand,
[1:36:54] it's
[1:36:55] I I know Steve
[1:36:56] >> I I don't want to
[1:36:57] >> I'd buy a lot of dirt somewhere.
[1:36:58] >> I don't want to go to
[1:37:00] That's the amount we're rolling over.
[1:37:01] It's the additional 250,000, so it's
[1:37:03] 950,000.
[1:37:05] >> Right, but that's I'm just discussing
[1:37:06] the roll over. Yeah. Yep. So, thank you.
[1:37:09] Okay, those are my two things I I Well,
[1:37:11] I guess my one thing I want to bring up
[1:37:13] um to see if it's worth putting that 700 into this
[1:37:18] budget or not.
[1:37:19] >> I know that you brought up in the work
[1:37:20] session the carpet replacement. Did we
[1:37:23] ever talk about that?
[1:37:25] >> in the
[1:37:26] uh what the banquet hall and Steve has
[1:37:28] told me this is this is going to happen.
[1:37:30] >> So, this is going to happen. Okay, cuz I
[1:37:31] know you had brought up like And I do
[1:37:33] want new carpet in here. That's my
[1:37:34] favorite stain right there.
[1:37:36] Well, you had brought it up that we I
[1:37:37] think we thought it was just for the
[1:37:38] seniors cuz that's what it says on the
[1:37:41] budget.
[1:37:42] So, I just wanted to confirm that.
[1:37:44] >> We'll have to. Thank you.
[1:37:45] Thank Yeah.
[1:37:48] >> Um I have a question about the motocross
[1:37:51] study. Is that in this one or is that in
[1:37:53] the amendment amended one?
[1:37:55] >> It is in this budget 2027.
[1:37:58] >> I would like to, um,
[1:38:01] not spend $80,000 on a motocross study
[1:38:04] and before we get more information. We
[1:38:07] need more information on how the
[1:38:08] residents out there feel, if it's, um,
[1:38:12] going to be [snorts]
[1:38:14] a big fight,
[1:38:15] if it's even needed, if it's important,
[1:38:19] all of that stuff. So, I would like to
[1:38:21] save $80,000 and not do the study for
[1:38:24] that because I don't think it's it's not
[1:38:27] necessary right now.
[1:38:29] I think it's just That's That's a lot of
[1:38:31] money.
[1:38:31] >> And one suggestion, you don't have to
[1:38:33] take my suggestion. If you keep it in
[1:38:35] the budget and you want to do your your, um, investigation this year, you
[1:38:40] don't use it, it rolls to fund balance.
[1:38:42] If it's used, it's used.
[1:38:44] But, that's just a suggestion. You can
[1:38:45] take it out if you'd rather take it out
[1:38:47] completely, too.
[1:38:48] >> Okay, I don't know how the rest of the
[1:38:49] council feels about that, but
[1:38:51] >> I know that we we don't have the grant
[1:38:53] money for this one. So, my feeling was
[1:38:56] to take it out if the grant money that
[1:38:57] we received is not going to cuz I feel
[1:39:00] like we're doing a lot of studies right
[1:39:02] now. We're not going to be able to do
[1:39:03] all of them,
[1:39:05] but that's just my feelings on it.
[1:39:07] >> Yeah.
[1:39:08] >> I could add a little bit about
[1:39:09] motocross. We've been working on this
[1:39:10] for 20 years plus. So, it's not
[1:39:13] something that's new and then Rocky
[1:39:15] Mountain ATV has a promise to bring in a
[1:39:18] national event if this happens. So,
[1:39:20] there's a lot more to it than just doing
[1:39:22] the study, but I I didn't even know that
[1:39:24] was in there for the 80,000, but it's
[1:39:27] something that we really need to keep
[1:39:29] pursuing because something we worked on
[1:39:31] for a long time. There is a lot of
[1:39:32] interest in it, but
[1:39:34] >> And is Rocky Mountain going to help us pay for that or
[1:39:38] >> I don't know if specifically on this. I
[1:39:40] know they've talked about helping with
[1:39:42] this and then I know another individual
[1:39:44] that's building a 400,000 square foot
[1:39:46] building in Payson that's very
[1:39:47] interested in our motocross, too, and and we're
[1:39:51] >> this is all information I want to know
[1:39:52] before we spend
[1:39:55] $80,000 on a study.
[1:39:57] >> The 80,000 was just a a hypothetical
[1:39:59] number. We don't have an actual
[1:40:00] consultant
[1:40:02] that we've contacted. We just said a
[1:40:05] You've just set a budget number.
[1:40:08] >> And another thing with this, and and the
[1:40:09] reason this probably in here and I
[1:40:11] didn't know exactly on it, but um
[1:40:14] the BLM
[1:40:16] says they don't have money to keep this moving along. And so, it's
[1:40:20] just kind of sitting there, and they
[1:40:21] said, "Well, if you come up with the
[1:40:23] money, then you can do this." And it it
[1:40:25] really shouldn't be our responsibility,
[1:40:27] but to keep this moving along at all is that's probably why that's in there,
[1:40:32] but I agree that we could we could leave
[1:40:34] it in the budget, but let's look at it a
[1:40:36] little bit deeper and see if we can get
[1:40:37] some help from some other individuals to
[1:40:40] help compensate for part of this, too.
[1:40:43] >> I I'm just not confident that it'll
[1:40:46] be welcomed out there after the gun
[1:40:49] range
[1:40:50] um
[1:40:53] opinions came out.
[1:40:55] >> Mayor Mayor Council, we could if on all
[1:40:58] these, the 80,000, the HVAC, if you want
[1:41:01] to pull those out of the budget, that
[1:41:02] would go into fund balance, and then
[1:41:03] once you get information, we could
[1:41:05] always do a budget amendment later in
[1:41:06] the year.
[1:41:08] I mean, we we can do it either way. We
[1:41:09] can leave it in until and
[1:41:12] just put a hold on it till you guys
[1:41:14] >> Personally, I absolutely do not want to
[1:41:16] pull the HVAC out. We've kicked that can
[1:41:19] down the road too long.
[1:41:20] >> Yeah, I'm just I'm just saying
[1:41:21] >> Prices are just going to keep going
[1:41:22] through the
[1:41:22] >> We could always do a budget amendment
[1:41:24] once you're comfortable with things
[1:41:26] at a later time.
[1:41:27] >> I I think we need more information on both those items, and we'll get a bid.
[1:41:35] And then we can
[1:41:36] do a budget
[1:41:37] amendment.
[1:41:38] >> I think we've got a bid on the HVAC.
[1:41:40] >> Do you?
[1:41:40] >> Yeah.
[1:41:41] >> Okay. I don't want to I don't want to
[1:41:43] keep the HVAC in.
[1:41:49] » These are my least favorite city council
[1:41:50] meetings, by the way.
[1:41:52] I'm starting to learn that.
[1:41:54] Um
[1:41:54] >> [clears throat]
[1:41:55] >> I didn't just going to say this and then
[1:41:58] I'm done my personal opinion will then
[1:42:00] talking about it. Um
[1:42:03] I'm going to first say
[1:42:05] uh this opened my eyes a lot.
[1:42:07] Um
[1:42:08] I will be the first one to admit like I
[1:42:11] have said the exact words shame on me
[1:42:14] for not asking as many questions as now
[1:42:16] I suddenly have.
[1:42:18] Um especially as last week I reached out
[1:42:21] to you and I said
[1:42:23] what is other professional services
[1:42:26] entail? What does this entail? What does
[1:42:29] this entail?
[1:42:30] And as I started getting the answers,
[1:42:33] that's when I saw things and I said I'm
[1:42:35] not okay with that. And then I started
[1:42:37] thinking of my
[1:42:40] real my full-time job and I thought I
[1:42:43] asked these questions in there and
[1:42:44] that's how I find this this and this. So
[1:42:46] I asked you, you know, multiple
[1:42:48] questions about like subscriptions and
[1:42:49] do you know, how do we make sure that
[1:42:51] we're not paying for the same
[1:42:52] subscription somewhere, you know, um
[1:42:55] different things that little by little
[1:42:57] like my exact notes are like many think
[1:43:00] that like little expenditures, you know,
[1:43:03] or little tiny increases may not be a
[1:43:05] lot, but it adds up and that's why all
[1:43:07] of a sudden we were at 122,
[1:43:09] 123 and now we're at 126.5.
[1:43:12] Um
[1:43:14] again like my biggest thing that I would
[1:43:16] like those little tiny things
[1:43:18] I would love for all this stuff that we
[1:43:21] cut the things that aren't right this
[1:43:24] minute needed and I can't do that
[1:43:26] because I now didn't give my time to
[1:43:28] really like dig into it. Um but I really
[1:43:31] after talking to you, I would really
[1:43:33] love to look at it more
[1:43:36] um
[1:43:37] and put more into the like the capital
[1:43:40] because I really think that that's how
[1:43:42] like
[1:43:43] we need to fund a police station soon
[1:43:46] and I really that is like I would I
[1:43:49] don't want to increase taxes on it and
[1:43:50] so for me the more and more we started
[1:43:52] looking at numbers like I know $80,000
[1:43:55] isn't an overall ton of money
[1:43:58] but it might pay you know in my eyes I'm
[1:44:00] like well that pays for someone's salary
[1:44:02] you know that pays for this and so me
[1:44:04] personally I will be the first to admit
[1:44:06] shame on me. Um, that's all I have to
[1:44:09] say on it but that will help um
[1:44:12] just let people understand where I'm at
[1:44:14] right now. So.
[1:44:18] This is on. Is it on now?
[1:44:19] >> If any of you have questions feel free.
[1:44:21] >> Feel free to ask, stop by.
[1:44:24] I'm a spreadsheet person so I drive
[1:44:26] people nuts but I'm happy to give any
[1:44:28] level of detail you want.
[1:44:30] >> It was a learning experience that's why
[1:44:31] I said like this first year
[1:44:33] they don't teach you this in that
[1:44:35] three-hour course you take. I can tell
[1:44:37] you that right now. The only thing they
[1:44:39] teach you is stuff that hasn't been
[1:44:41] relevant at all. So
[1:44:43] that's all I want to say.
[1:44:44] >> And Kathy you you've been more than
[1:44:46] accessible.
[1:44:47] >> Thank you.
[1:44:47] >> You really know you you know your
[1:44:49] numbers, you know your spreadsheets, you
[1:44:51] know all the funds. So thank you so much
[1:44:53] for being willing to answer all our
[1:44:54] questions and talk to us at any time.
[1:44:57] >> So um
[1:44:59] Dave and Robert um so there's there's
[1:45:01] two avenues here we could remove
[1:45:03] uh said items if it were to pass from
[1:45:06] the budget or is there a way to attach
[1:45:09] something to these particular items that
[1:45:10] it couldn't be spent until it got
[1:45:13] reapproved by the council?
[1:45:15] Or is it just easier to just take it out
[1:45:16] and then do a budget amendment?
[1:45:18] >> part of your motion and we'll
[1:45:19] >> Okay.
[1:45:20] >> Yeah.
[1:45:21] >> Could you guys feel comfortable if we
[1:45:22] kept these things in the budget but I I
[1:45:25] be but attached something to these two
[1:45:26] line items that uh require further
[1:45:28] approval before we spend the money.
[1:45:31] >> So it doesn't disappear
[1:45:32] >> Yep.
[1:45:33] >> over time like
[1:45:34] >> Right.
[1:45:34] >> nickel and dime away.
[1:45:36] >> And then if And then if we decide to to
[1:45:38] change the amount or it's not spent,
[1:45:40] then what happens to that that money on
[1:45:42] paper?
[1:45:44] >> Yep.
[1:45:44] >> Okay.
[1:45:45] >> It'll be
[1:45:53] » Okay.
[1:45:57] >> Or like you were saying earlier, to pay
[1:45:58] a bill.
[1:45:59] >> Yeah.
[1:46:00] >> Yep.
[1:46:02] >> Any further discussion, Council?
[1:46:05] It's kind of long and lengthy, but I
[1:46:06] think we've got a got kind of an idea of where
[1:46:10] we want to go with this.
[1:46:11] >> Mhm.
[1:46:11] >> It's important stuff.
[1:46:13] >> Yep, it is. I would entertain a motion
[1:46:15] for the adoption of the fiscal year
[1:46:17] 2026-2027
[1:46:19] budget
[1:46:20] as proposed.
[1:46:23] >> Can I
[1:46:25] change your motion?
[1:46:26] Can we Can we change the motion in such
[1:46:29] that uh
[1:46:30] the uh the 80,000 for the uh dirt bike
[1:46:33] >> Bob made a motion.
[1:46:34] >> What Brandon what
[1:46:35] >> I didn't I didn't make a motion.
[1:46:38] >> Okay.
[1:46:38] >> I just said I would entertain a motion.
[1:46:40] >> Oh, okay. Okay.
[1:46:41] >> I would entertain a motion.
[1:46:42] >> Sorry, yes. Sorry about that.
[1:46:44] >> Yeah, no. I I would entertain a motion.
[1:46:46] >> Okay, well, I make a motion that we adopt the fiscal
[1:46:50] year 2026-2027
[1:46:52] year budget uh with with the uh
[1:46:56] the changes that the HVAC uh for the
[1:46:58] amount of 700,000 for the city center,
[1:47:01] and also that a 80,000 dollar um
[1:47:05] >> motorcross track uh
[1:47:08] >> study uh that those two line items have
[1:47:11] attached to them that the money cannot
[1:47:13] be spent until further review and
[1:47:15] approval by staff and city council.
[1:47:18] >> I'll second.
[1:47:20] >> I have a motion Any other comment?
[1:47:24] Start with council member Lacy.
[1:47:28] Oh, you want me to
[1:47:28] >> No, it's okay. No, it's okay. Um
[1:47:33] Uh
[1:47:34] I just cannot in good faith say I fully
[1:47:36] approve it. So, mine is a no right now.
[1:47:38] >> Okay.
[1:47:38] >> That's all.
[1:47:39] >> Council member Hewlett.
[1:47:40] >> Yes.
[1:47:40] >> Council member Rowley.
[1:47:41] >> Yes.
[1:47:42] >> Council member Proscard. Yes.
[1:47:44] Council member Moss.
[1:47:45] >> Yes.
[1:47:46] >> Motion carries.
[1:47:49] All right.
[1:47:52] Uh
[1:47:54] Cathy, our next on the budget amendment
[1:47:56] fiscal year 2026 or 2025 2026 budget
[1:48:01] amendments.
[1:48:02] >> Okay. We have a few suggested budget
[1:48:05] amendments. The first one is an
[1:48:07] additional allocation
[1:48:08] for transfer to the capital fund. Again,
[1:48:10] we're not expending funds, we're moving
[1:48:13] them from the utility fund to the
[1:48:16] capital fund. Be um allocated by the
[1:48:20] council at a future time.
[1:48:23] Um and of course it won't move for me.
[1:48:26] Darn it.
[1:48:28] Let's see if I can get it to move. There
[1:48:29] we go. Communities that care, they've
[1:48:31] had additional projects. I don't think
[1:48:33] we adequately um
[1:48:35] counted on the youth council and some
[1:48:37] other expenses. So, we're suggesting we
[1:48:39] bring in $25,000 to
[1:48:41] balance out that budget.
[1:48:46] Well, it's going to be an interesting
[1:48:48] night. Sorry.
[1:48:50] Crum.
[1:48:51] Okay. Well, [laughter]
[1:48:54] I don't know where we are anymore.
[1:48:56] Okay.
[1:48:57] >> There you are.
[1:48:57] >> Scottish Festival. They um have been
[1:49:00] bringing in additional revenue. So,
[1:49:02] we're suggesting that we increase their
[1:49:04] revenue and their expenditure side to
[1:49:06] allow them to spend revenue because they
[1:49:08] just they straddled the fiscal year
[1:49:10] there.
[1:49:12] And then, there the next three are just
[1:49:15] cushions. These departments have not
[1:49:18] gone out over budget. It's just that
[1:49:21] when we do budget projections, it's
[1:49:23] getting so small a margin that if they
[1:49:26] have an unexpected expense or something
[1:49:28] else, we would like to have just a
[1:49:30] cushion for them so that they do not go
[1:49:32] over budget.
[1:49:33] Um and I I want to point out that most
[1:49:36] of the general fund expenditures are
[1:49:38] being offset by the building maintenance
[1:49:40] budget, so it's not coming out of fund
[1:49:41] balance. It's just a shifting of
[1:49:42] budgets.
[1:49:45] >> I um
[1:49:47] li- line item I guess we need to Oh,
[1:49:49] never mind. I'm going to wait. Yep.
[1:49:51] Okay.
[1:49:52] I would accept a motion to open the
[1:49:54] public hearing.
[1:49:55] >> I
[1:49:57] give Oh, I'm like now I've lost.
[1:49:59] Uh
[1:50:00] so moved. Someone else Sorry. [laughter]
[1:50:03] >> I'll second it.
[1:50:04] >> Okay. Brian Brian made the motion. Lacey
[1:50:07] seconded.
[1:50:09] Start with Councilmember Roll- or
[1:50:10] Councilmember Moss.
[1:50:12] >> Yes.
[1:50:13] >> Councilmember Roley.
[1:50:14] >> Yes.
[1:50:14] >> Councilmember Hewlett.
[1:50:15] >> Yes.
[1:50:16] >> Councilmember
[1:50:16] >> Yes.
[1:50:17] >> Ann and Councilmember Bob, yes.
[1:50:19] >> You mean Lacey.
[1:50:20] >> Okay.
[1:50:20] >> Lacey.
[1:50:22] What did I say?
[1:50:23] >> Ann.
[1:50:25] I don't get to vote.
[1:50:26] >> Lacey is a yes.
[1:50:27] >> Okay. Public hearing is open concerning
[1:50:30] the 2026-27
[1:50:33] enterprise fund transfers.
[1:50:39] » It's a budget adjustment.
[1:50:41] >> Oh, budget amendment. Sorry. Budget
[1:50:44] amendment.
[1:50:44] >> Yes.
[1:50:45] >> I'm so sorry.
[1:50:46] >> That's okay.
[1:50:47] >> check that one off yet.
[1:50:48] >> You're doing great. It's a big agenda.
[1:50:50] >> add really quick that by state law we're
[1:50:52] not supposed to get over expend any of
[1:50:54] our budgets. So this just lets us land
[1:50:57] the plane without going over budget.
[1:50:59] >> Imagine that. Cities have to balance
[1:51:01] their budget and others don't.
[1:51:03] >> [laughter]
[1:51:03] >> Okay.
[1:51:05] So these
[1:51:07] To me it's just in case fund that will
[1:51:09] be approved
[1:51:10] uh in case.
[1:51:12] Um
[1:51:15] Is that a good concise way of saying it?
[1:51:16] >> That is. Yes. The only one that we
[1:51:18] probably need to
[1:51:20] that is not is the Communities That
[1:51:22] Care. They have expended their budget.
[1:51:24] >> Okay.
[1:51:26] Any public comment?
[1:51:29] >> Yes.
[1:51:30] >> It's open.
[1:51:30] >> I would say.
[1:51:31] >> Yeah, it's open.
[1:51:32] >> That's what we vote about.
[1:51:33] >> Yeah.
[1:51:34] >> Emily, anybody online?
[1:51:36] Not seeing anyone online or no public
[1:51:38] input.
[1:51:39] I would accept a motion to close the
[1:51:41] public hearing.
[1:51:41] >> So moved.
[1:51:42] >> Second.
[1:51:43] >> I have a motion and a second. Council
[1:51:45] member Lacey.
[1:51:46] >> Yes.
[1:51:46] >> Council member Brian.
[1:51:47] >> Yes.
[1:51:48] >> Council member Ryan.
[1:51:49] >> Yes.
[1:51:49] >> Council member Bob. Yes. Council member
[1:51:52] Ann.
[1:51:53] >> Yes.
[1:51:54] >> Okay.
[1:51:55] Discussion.
[1:51:56] >> When do when does the city council
[1:51:58] usually
[1:52:00] discuss what to do with the capital
[1:52:03] funds that we're allowed to Like is that
[1:52:06] Do we have any meetings during the year?
[1:52:08] When do we
[1:52:09] Okay.
[1:52:10] >> We can do it at a work session, a budget
[1:52:11] meeting, anything you would like. Right
[1:52:13] now we have the two major project
[1:52:15] projects. We're wrapping up the downtown
[1:52:17] Main Street project. We're reserving
[1:52:19] funds for the fire station.
[1:52:23] For that debt service and to pay half
[1:52:24] the cost of the fire station. Those are
[1:52:27] the projects that we have right now.
[1:52:29] >> Normally as we start the budget process
[1:52:30] in January, we'll propose some projects,
[1:52:33] but anytime the council has something
[1:52:35] they would like to use those capital
[1:52:36] funds, we're happy to listen to it.
[1:52:39] >> And Kathy said we can save them, like
[1:52:41] build it up for something big coming up.
[1:52:44] >> To to a certain amount. Such as the
[1:52:46] ladder truck Lacey we talked about
[1:52:50] >> a new
[1:52:51] >> Putting some money away for the fire
[1:52:52] truck.
[1:52:53] The new ladder truck that we're going to
[1:52:55] order.
[1:52:56] So that we can
[1:52:58] >> down the road, yeah.
[1:52:59] >> Down the road.
[1:53:00] >> Yeah. I mean I would love to
[1:53:02] >> That's what I mean is
[1:53:02] >> Yeah, I would love to even break down
[1:53:04] percentages, like
[1:53:07] if we're going to do a ladder truck
[1:53:08] then, if we're going to do a police
[1:53:09] station there, if we're going to do, you
[1:53:11] know, whatever is
[1:53:13] ranked of what we need the most, I think
[1:53:15] that this is a great way to do it. And
[1:53:17] again, it helps cuz it comes from the
[1:53:19] utility funds.
[1:53:21] And again then, if we spend less and we
[1:53:23] get the revenue,
[1:53:25] more money that we can go in there and save others from
[1:53:30] spending.
[1:53:31] >> And this money comes from Oh, sorry.
[1:53:33] It's on. You're on.
[1:53:36] This money actually comes
[1:53:39] Oh, well, that is
[1:53:40] >> Wasn't it a utility fund transferred to
[1:53:42] the capital?
[1:53:44] Or did I misunderstand?
[1:53:46] >> Okay. The utility fund is uh sales tax.
[1:53:49] We used to use a utility fund. It's
[1:53:51] called utility fund. It's sales tax
[1:53:53] that's generated off
[1:53:55] uh the the power. But it is a sales tax,
[1:53:59] but we're trying to close out that fund
[1:54:01] and just use the general fund.
[1:54:03] >> But if the general fund goes the
[1:54:05] expenditures go down, then we have more
[1:54:07] left over to
[1:54:09] Perfect. Okay.
[1:54:12] >> Any further discussion, Council?
[1:54:14] >> the public hearing.
[1:54:15] >> We did? Okay. Um
[1:54:17] I I do I do wonder about line item
[1:54:19] number two, the Communities That Care.
[1:54:21] Uh you know, that that's
[1:54:23] and that's about 30% of their budget.
[1:54:26] What's the big need for that much of an
[1:54:28] emergency fund? Do you know where the
[1:54:29] extra expenditures came from, Carl?
[1:54:31] Or Kathy, whoever wants to answer.
[1:54:33] >> Oh, I'm I'm sorry. I'll just say that is not an emergency fund. That is
[1:54:38] they actually went over budget this
[1:54:40] year. And I think
[1:54:42] I don't believe we budget for the youth
[1:54:44] council, but we did have the youth court
[1:54:47] in there. So, I think and I I mean
[1:54:50] I'm not sure of all the expenditures,
[1:54:52] but that's the majority of it. Is that
[1:54:55] correct, Carl?
[1:54:56] >> I would say the youth council addition
[1:54:57] is some extra hours that shall be set to
[1:54:59] work.
[1:55:00] Multiply other things.
[1:55:02] >> Mhm.
[1:55:03] Okay. Thank you. I was just curious.
[1:55:04] Yep.
[1:55:11] By the way, the Scottish Festival is on
[1:55:13] deck.
[1:55:15] >> Yeah, I'm up soon.
[1:55:16] >> Getting excited.
[1:55:18] Put my kilt on.
[1:55:22] Any further discussion, Council?
[1:55:24] All right, then I would accept a motion
[1:55:27] for
[1:55:28] adoption of budget amendments fiscal
[1:55:30] year 2025.
[1:55:32] How come it says 2025?
[1:55:34] >> It's 25 through 26.
[1:55:35] >> It's the one It's the one we're
[1:55:37] currently tidying up last year's budget.
[1:55:38] >> Okay.
[1:55:39] >> Yeah.
[1:55:39] >> 2025 to 2026 budget.
[1:55:42] Thank you.
[1:55:44] >> I move that we approve the
[1:55:47] 2025-2026
[1:55:49] fiscal year budget amendments as
[1:55:50] presented.
[1:55:52] >> A motion and a second. Council member
[1:55:54] Moss.
[1:55:55] >> Yes.
[1:55:55] >> Council member Rowley.
[1:55:56] >> Yes.
[1:55:57] >> Council member Hulen.
[1:55:58] >> Yes.
[1:56:00] >> Council member Smith.
[1:56:00] >> Yes.
[1:56:01] >> And Council member Bob.
[1:56:02] >> Yes.
[1:56:04] >> How am I doing, Dave?
[1:56:05] >> You're doing awesome.
[1:56:06] >> I know.
[1:56:07] And that is tongue-tied as they can be.
[1:56:09] Moving on.
[1:56:14] Item number six, public hearing or staff
[1:56:17] presentation, Cathy.
[1:56:18] >> Okay, fee schedule changes. We had three
[1:56:22] um proposed fee schedule changes in the
[1:56:24] solid waste. The first one is a startup
[1:56:27] fee for garbage collections, and that is
[1:56:29] because the cost of cans increased $23,
[1:56:32] so that's a pass-through.
[1:56:34] The cost of recycling contracts
[1:56:36] increased 31 cents, so we're proposing
[1:56:39] that um we increase recycling that much,
[1:56:42] and people can opt out of that program.
[1:56:44] That's That's not a necessary program if
[1:56:46] they don't want it. And finally, there
[1:56:48] was a a legislative action back in 2025
[1:56:52] that said that if there are fines on
[1:56:55] unsecured loans, $5 of that has to go
[1:56:58] back to the Environmental Protection
[1:57:00] Agency so that they can collect the
[1:57:02] litter off the highways, as I understand
[1:57:04] it. So, we would propose that we raise
[1:57:07] um unsecured loans to five to $10 to
[1:57:10] cover that uh penalty that we have to
[1:57:12] pass on.
[1:57:15] » The recycling is passed on just directly
[1:57:17] to the the citizens that are using
[1:57:20] >> Right.
[1:57:20] >> that service and
[1:57:22] that is not passed on to the entire
[1:57:23] city.
[1:57:24] >> No.
[1:57:24] >> Right.
[1:57:25] >> And and people cannot talk out of that.
[1:57:26] >> and we got that from Republic Services.
[1:57:28] >> And am I right in saying the these fees
[1:57:30] were actually incurred from Public
[1:57:32] Services? These This is not Payson City
[1:57:34] raising uh the recycling rates. This is
[1:57:36] however the third-party uh provider,
[1:57:38] which is Republic Services, raising
[1:57:40] their rates and uh we didn't feel Payson
[1:57:42] City should subsidize recycling for
[1:57:44] everyone that's not doing it, so we're
[1:57:46] just passing that down onto the actual
[1:57:48] person that recycles.
[1:57:50] >> Yeah, all of these are from another
[1:57:52] entity.
[1:57:53] >> And I was going to go after uh the the
[1:57:55] unsecured load of of increasing it that
[1:57:57] much, but I see it's actually a a house
[1:58:00] bill, so
[1:58:01] >> [laughter]
[1:58:02] >> I can't.
[1:58:02] >> it for you.
[1:58:03] >> Yep.
[1:58:04] >> All right, so I would entertain a motion
[1:58:06] uh
[1:58:07] for
[1:58:08] >> I have one quick one quick question.
[1:58:09] >> We've got to have a public hearing.
[1:58:11] >> So, the unsecured loads, I thought we
[1:58:14] were already higher than that if
[1:58:15] somebody didn't cover their loads than
[1:58:17] $10.
[1:58:17] >> Well, if they don't right now the
[1:58:19] penalty is $5, so we're going to add $5
[1:58:22] that we have to pass on to the the
[1:58:24] Environmental Protection Agency.
[1:58:27] >> Yeah.
[1:58:29] I think it might have been higher than
[1:58:30] that if
[1:58:31] >> All right, I would entertain a motion
[1:58:32] for a public hearing on the uh
[1:58:34] resolution fee schedule update.
[1:58:37] >> So motion.
[1:58:38] >> I have a motion.
[1:58:39] >> Second.
[1:58:39] >> Seconded Councilmember Moss.
[1:58:42] Uh start with
[1:58:43] Councilmember Smith.
[1:58:44] >> Yes.
[1:58:45] >> Councilmember Hill.
[1:58:45] >> Yes.
[1:58:46] >> Councilmember Rowley.
[1:58:47] >> Yes.
[1:58:47] >> Councilmember Probstgaard.
[1:58:49] >> Yes.
[1:58:49] >> Councilmember Moss.
[1:58:50] >> Yes.
[1:58:51] >> The public hearing is open concerning
[1:58:54] the
[1:58:56] fee up schedule update.
[1:59:02] Yes, Ross.
[1:59:04] >> You guys are going faster than my minute
[1:59:06] sure mine.
[1:59:07] >> [laughter]
[1:59:08] >> I have a whole five questions.
[1:59:10] When they first started this recycling
[1:59:14] I was under
[1:59:16] the impression that
[1:59:17] they was dumping the recycling stuff in our landfill.
[1:59:22] Is that still the case or is it actually
[1:59:25] getting recycled? I pay what?
[1:59:28] Seven, eight bucks a month.
[1:59:29] >> Yes.
[1:59:29] >> Now
[1:59:30] recycling
[1:59:31] >> I can
[1:59:32] Yeah, Kathy.
[1:59:33] >> I I used
[1:59:35] >> There's some spoils
[1:59:36] >> Yeah.
[1:59:37] >> that are within the recycling that that
[1:59:39] aren't accepted. That ends up uh they
[1:59:42] separate it.
[1:59:44] And some of it does end up in a
[1:59:46] landfill.
[1:59:47] I won't specifically say it comes in
[1:59:49] ours. Uh
[1:59:50] there's also the landfill out out to the
[1:59:52] west
[1:59:53] of us. Um but yeah, there are some
[1:59:56] spoils that citizens put
[1:59:58] the wrong garbage in.
[2:00:00] Uh
[2:00:00] And so it's separated, but if you've
[2:00:03] been over there, they recycle a lot of
[2:00:05] stuff
[2:00:06] that that come through. So yes, that's a
[2:00:08] good good question.
[2:00:10] Dave
[2:00:10] >> Yeah, just to answer that, we we over
[2:00:12] periodically we get complaints about
[2:00:14] that.
[2:00:14] >> [clears throat]
[2:00:15] >> And I know
[2:00:16] we had
[2:00:17] um
[2:00:19] Republic does our recycling, but they do
[2:00:22] garbage for other communities that go to
[2:00:23] the landfill. So they saw that color
[2:00:25] truck and say, you know, they're just
[2:00:26] dumping it the landfill, they're not
[2:00:28] recycling it, but that was a different
[2:00:30] truck and we followed that. We've had
[2:00:32] them track it so that we can
[2:00:34] answer those questions or the those
[2:00:36] complaints that come, but pretty we're
[2:00:37] confident that it it does recycle, but
[2:00:40] you're right, some of it does become
[2:00:42] spoiled.
[2:00:43] I don't think it comes back to our
[2:00:44] landfill because they take it to a
[2:00:46] different facility. And if it's spoiled
[2:00:48] they take it to the closest landfill.
[2:00:49] >> Yeah.
[2:00:51] So I'm Yeah, I don't think much of it's
[2:00:53] coming to our landfill, but if it did
[2:00:55] we'd charge them for it.
[2:00:57] >> Mhm.
[2:00:58] >> So. [clears throat]
[2:00:59] Yeah.
[2:01:00] All right.
[2:01:02] We still in the public
[2:01:04] >> Oh, yeah, we need to close it.
[2:01:06] I move that we close the public hearing
[2:01:08] on the fee schedule update.
[2:01:09] >> I have a motion.
[2:01:10] >> Second.
[2:01:10] by Council member Rowley.
[2:01:12] Council member Smith.
[2:01:13] >> Yes.
[2:01:14] >> Council member Hewlett.
[2:01:15] >> Yes.
[2:01:16] >> Council member Rowley.
[2:01:17] >> Yes.
[2:01:17] >> Council member Proscard. Yes. Council
[2:01:19] member Moss.
[2:01:20] >> Yes.
[2:01:21] >> Public hearing is closed. Any further
[2:01:23] discussion Council?
[2:01:24] >> No.
[2:01:25] >> Then I would entertain a motion.
[2:01:28] >> I move that we approve the fee schedule
[2:01:30] update as presented.
[2:01:32] >> I second.
[2:01:33] >> Motion and a second. Any further
[2:01:35] discussion?
[2:01:36] Council member Moss.
[2:01:38] Council member Proscard. Yes. Council
[2:01:40] member Rowley.
[2:01:41] >> Yes.
[2:01:42] >> Council member Hewlett.
[2:01:43] >> Yes.
[2:01:44] >> And Council member Smith.
[2:01:45] >> Yes.
[2:01:45] >> Motion carries.
[2:01:47] Item number seven.
[2:01:50] Melanie,
[2:01:51] you're up.
[2:01:55] Resolution of employer pick up of public
[2:01:57] safety and firefighter employee
[2:02:00] retirement contributions with Utah State
[2:02:02] Retirement.
[2:02:03] >> Yes, thank you. Um this is basically
[2:02:06] just a administrative action. Um we just
[2:02:09] approved in the budget this pick up was
[2:02:11] included in the budget and so this
[2:02:14] resolution um Utah Retirement Assistant
[2:02:16] just requires us to send a copy of the
[2:02:19] resolution and the signed form by the
[2:02:21] city authorizing the city to be able to
[2:02:23] continue to pick up and this is um for
[2:02:25] public safety and um as indicated we've
[2:02:27] been doing this since 2020. Um and it's
[2:02:31] I think it's a viable um
[2:02:34] program for our officers um and it
[2:02:36] really does help with um retention and
[2:02:38] recruitment um especially
[2:02:41] these um officers that are on the tier
[2:02:42] two plans, so.
[2:02:45] Are there any other questions?
[2:02:46] >> No.
[2:02:49] » I agree with you. It's very important
[2:02:50] for our fire and police.
[2:02:53] >> Yeah.
[2:02:53] >> This was something that I agreed with
[2:02:55] for sure, so.
[2:02:57] >> Then I would entertain a motion.
[2:02:59] >> I make a motion that we approve the
[2:03:00] employer pick up of the public safety
[2:03:02] and firefighter employee retirement
[2:03:04] contributions with the Utah State
[2:03:06] Retirement System.
[2:03:07] >> I'll second.
[2:03:08] >> Motion and a second. Council member
[2:03:09] Smith?
[2:03:10] >> Yes.
[2:03:11] >> Council member Hughley?
[2:03:12] >> Yes.
[2:03:12] >> Council member Rowley?
[2:03:13] >> Yes.
[2:03:14] >> Council member Probst Guard? Yes.
[2:03:16] Council member Moss?
[2:03:17] >> Yes.
[2:03:18] >> Motion carries.
[2:03:20] Hey, now we can go on to some fun stuff.
[2:03:23] Item number eight.
[2:03:24] Resolution
[2:03:25] >> already?
[2:03:26] >> Yeah.
[2:03:27] Authorizing the city to enter into a
[2:03:29] real estate purchase contract for the
[2:03:31] acquisition of property located at
[2:03:34] approximately 1350 North Arrowhead
[2:03:36] Trail.
[2:03:37] Brandon?
[2:03:38] >> Yes. Thank you, Mayor Pro Tem and
[2:03:40] Council.
[2:03:42] This resolution is asking the Council to
[2:03:44] authorize the Mayor to sign a real
[2:03:45] estate purchase agreement contract for
[2:03:48] property that's located at address for
[2:03:52] potential installation of a future power
[2:03:54] substation.
[2:03:56] The way the real estate purchase
[2:03:57] contract is written is there has to be
[2:03:59] some contingencies that are fulfilled
[2:04:01] first.
[2:04:02] One of the biggest ones is that
[2:04:05] the seller
[2:04:07] obtain the land and be annexed into the
[2:04:09] city.
[2:04:11] That purchaser has a
[2:04:13] uh
[2:04:14] an application in right now.
[2:04:16] We've been going back and forth quite a
[2:04:18] while on there. Um and believe it's
[2:04:21] going to come up on Planning Commission
[2:04:24] real soon. However, they have not
[2:04:27] adhered to many of the comments
[2:04:29] from staff, so I believe it's going to
[2:04:31] go to
[2:04:33] Planning Commission with a negative
[2:04:34] recommendation. And so I don't know
[2:04:38] that contingency will be fulfilled, but
[2:04:40] we wanted to negotiate in good faith
[2:04:42] that um
[2:04:44] we are we we want we are interested in
[2:04:46] purchasing that land.
[2:04:48] Um but there's a contingency that's
[2:04:52] partly in their control.
[2:04:53] >> Isn't there a contingency on another one
[2:04:56] being annexed also?
[2:04:59] The
[2:05:01] >> So, the overall
[2:05:02] um
[2:05:03] the overall
[2:05:05] >> project
[2:05:06] >> wants to be annexed is what the the
[2:05:08] >> So, the so the Minneola Creek is this
[2:05:12] and then there's there's another one,
[2:05:13] right?
[2:05:14] >> piece of property is actually in the
[2:05:16] city already.
[2:05:17] >> Yeah, okay.
[2:05:17] >> There's a contingency that another
[2:05:19] >> That's what I'm saying. Like it's
[2:05:21] separate.
[2:05:22] >> the contingent
[2:05:23] >> So, yeah. Um
[2:05:24] >> on us annexing them into the city.
[2:05:26] >> that's
[2:05:27] >> Did they did they draft up the purchase
[2:05:29] contract and the addendum or did we?
[2:05:31] >> We both did. Uh we both contributed to
[2:05:34] it.
[2:05:35] >> So, there's the that off-ramp and then
[2:05:37] there's a off-ramp for if it doesn't
[2:05:40] um if it doesn't settle by August 22nd,
[2:05:44] I believe was the date, then it expires
[2:05:46] as well.
[2:05:47] >> I think another concern was the
[2:05:49] >> Oh, yeah. And if there's a there's a
[2:05:50] study if there's wetlands and it's not
[2:05:52] usable, we're not interested.
[2:05:54] >> So, my concern was
[2:05:56] um I had I don't know if Dave and Robert
[2:05:58] you got my email on Friday, but I'd sent
[2:06:01] an email asking if we had any idea of
[2:06:03] what that study was going to cost. And
[2:06:06] then I would questioned if the
[2:06:08] annexation was different land.
[2:06:11] Um
[2:06:13] but my other question is
[2:06:14] and maybe this is super normal for
[2:06:17] cities because
[2:06:19] I get we're not going out for a loan.
[2:06:21] Is it normal that it wasn't contingent
[2:06:23] for the land to appraise for the
[2:06:25] purchase price?
[2:06:28] I believe it was not contingent on
[2:06:30] appraisal.
[2:06:32] >> Checked. Uh and the other question,
[2:06:33] Brandon, are we okay to discuss this or
[2:06:35] we need to do have a closed session
[2:06:37] after meeting discuss the details of the
[2:06:39] web C?
[2:06:41] >> Um I
[2:06:43] >> It has to be approved in the public
[2:06:44] meeting.
[2:06:44] >> Yeah.
[2:06:45] >> Okay.
[2:06:46] So, I just didn't know if that was
[2:06:48] normal cuz I know it was
[2:06:50] contingent on due diligence.
[2:06:52] And it was
[2:06:54] it didn't the funding, but then um I'm
[2:06:58] 90% sure it said it was not contingent
[2:07:01] on it appraising.
[2:07:02] >> Right. Yep, light them up. 8.2 is not
[2:07:05] contingent.
[2:07:06] >> my thing is I would never want to buy
[2:07:09] something that the value's not there,
[2:07:12] but that's just So, I didn't know if
[2:07:14] that was normal for cities.
[2:07:16] >> I I'm putting a lot of trust in Shawn.
[2:07:18] He's one negotiating land deals.
[2:07:20] >> Shawn's just
[2:07:22] >> over there bouncing off the wall.
[2:07:23] >> Constantly knowing what they're
[2:07:25] going for.
[2:07:26] >> we're putting together the contract. So,
[2:07:28] that's I I guess like also this.
[2:07:31] >> yeah, we both are.
[2:07:31] >> Okay. I
[2:07:33] >> So, the way I look at that is if we're comfortable with the purchase
[2:07:37] price, it doesn't really matter what the
[2:07:38] appraisal is if we're comfortable with
[2:07:40] the purchase price.
[2:07:41] >> That's the important
[2:07:42] >> Well, and and what we're using with the
[2:07:43] property would detrimentally devalue an
[2:07:47] appraisal because it's going to be for a
[2:07:49] substation.
[2:07:50] >> Yep.
[2:07:50] >> So.
[2:07:51] >> Well, I feel like the land also if it
[2:07:53] comes back like
[2:07:55] unusable for the developer would also
[2:07:57] then for the landowner Yes. So, I guess
[2:08:00] that would be my
[2:08:00] >> And and it does sound like the the
[2:08:02] wetlands is is part of one of our
[2:08:03] off-ramps, right?
[2:08:05] >> Do we know how much that study is
[2:08:06] though? I'm just curious.
[2:08:09] >> Are we doing it?
[2:08:10] >> They're the ones that are doing
[2:08:11] >> Oh, I thought it said that the buyer
[2:08:14] >> Or maybe we we would do it.
[2:08:16] >> Yeah. We do that.
[2:08:18] >> Minimal.
[2:08:19] >> That's minimal because it's through the
[2:08:21] Corps of Engineers.
[2:08:22] >> Okay.
[2:08:23] >> That would
[2:08:23] >> But that's just stuff that like for me,
[2:08:26] I
[2:08:27] >> Good question.
[2:08:28] >> I would like to know cuz when you get to
[2:08:30] environmental stuff
[2:08:31] >> Yeah, I just went and looked for it. I'm sorry
[2:08:34] I didn't respond.
[2:08:34] >> you guys were off. I get it, but
[2:08:37] >> [laughter]
[2:08:37] >> it's okay. That's why I'm asking now,
[2:08:39] but
[2:08:40] um
[2:08:42] I personally don't feel okay with the
[2:08:44] annexation clause. Um
[2:08:46] but that's I think that they should be
[2:08:48] able they should have to
[2:08:49] go through what everyone else goes
[2:08:51] through, so.
[2:08:52] >> Totally agree.
[2:08:53] >> They will.
[2:08:58] » If we say no, then they're going to like
[2:09:00] well, we don't
[2:09:02] Yeah.
[2:09:02] >> Yeah, that's protecting us cuz Because
[2:09:04] they have to.
[2:09:05] Uh we don't want to buy it if they
[2:09:07] aren't they can't get it to us and
[2:09:09] they're annexed.
[2:09:11] >> No, this is separate land.
[2:09:13] >> Right, but still if they aren't if they
[2:09:14] don't annex that other property, they
[2:09:16] >> Yeah, but they're still under contract
[2:09:18] for this land, right? They don't
[2:09:19] technically own this land. It's under
[2:09:21] contract.
[2:09:22] It's a They're writing a contract for
[2:09:24] land that they are under contract on.
[2:09:26] >> That's correct.
[2:09:27] >> So, if they
[2:09:29] That's what I'm saying. Like they don't
[2:09:30] even know if they're going to buy it
[2:09:31] yet. It's there's
[2:09:32] >> There again, I think the good word is
[2:09:34] we're doing this in good faith.
[2:09:36] >> Okay. Well,
[2:09:38] >> what transpires?
[2:09:39] >> I've vo- I've vocalized mine.
[2:09:41] >> And that's why Personally, I think it's
[2:09:42] DOA.
[2:09:43] >> That that's Yeah, the
[2:09:44] >> But we're doing our due diligence in
[2:09:46] >> council meeting in May when I was saying
[2:09:48] I'm not optimistic about it happening.
[2:09:49] >> not optimistic about it happening.
[2:09:51] >> Right.
[2:09:54] » Yeah, and and you know, this this this
[2:09:56] deal is a little bit unique. I did I
[2:09:58] talked to Shawn about this one
[2:10:00] in depth. And yeah, yeah, this it's
[2:10:03] unique. We want to get our foot in the
[2:10:04] door, show our interest, but I do see
[2:10:06] too. I think
[2:10:08] we need we need to be real careful about
[2:10:10] what what contingencies we place on the
[2:10:11] addendums. I don't want there to ever be
[2:10:13] any quid pro quo of saying we will do
[2:10:15] this if you will do this, especially
[2:10:17] regarding annexation. And so I I just
[2:10:20] think that could be dangerous dangerous
[2:10:22] language for both parties. We don't want
[2:10:24] to string each other along and and say
[2:10:26] we'll do this if you do that. So, that's
[2:10:28] just something I think we should watch
[2:10:29] in the future.
[2:10:30] >> And I'm supportive of us getting a new
[2:10:32] substation. I am.
[2:10:34] I just I don't
[2:10:36] not going to sell my soul to the
[2:10:40] Yeah.
[2:10:41] >> Yep.
[2:10:42] I I I think I think we're just trying
[2:10:45] we're we're if if we meet with the staff
[2:10:48] with the applicant and they meet some of the things we feel
[2:10:53] like, you know, part of that is putting
[2:10:55] a sewer plant to get some of our
[2:10:57] or a lift
[2:10:58] Yeah, lift station so that we get
[2:11:00] some of our customers back from Salem.
[2:11:03] That's a good thing. I think that's what
[2:11:04] the council wants.
[2:11:05] But
[2:11:07] we're we're trying to make it work. If it works, then
[2:11:10] we'll need that substation sooner than
[2:11:12] later. If it doesn't work,
[2:11:14] then there's an off-ramp for us to not
[2:11:16] need to purchase it
[2:11:18] or them to sell it to us. And they like Lacy said, they're under contract.
[2:11:22] And if if if they don't get annexed,
[2:11:24] then they probably won't purchase that
[2:11:26] property.
[2:11:27] And then we still need to look for some
[2:11:29] property out there
[2:11:30] eventually for a for a substation, but the
[2:11:35] it it it's not as critical time-wise.
[2:11:38] But we're we're doing what we can to
[2:11:41] bring something to the council that
[2:11:43] could work for our community and and
[2:11:45] help with a lift station in that whole
[2:11:47] area out there. So, I mean, we're
[2:11:49] hopeful that things can happen, but
[2:11:51] those contingencies that are something
[2:11:53] they wanted in there and frankly, we
[2:11:55] wanted in there. And if it doesn't get annexed, then
[2:12:00] we may not need to buy that property.
[2:12:01] That's right.
[2:12:02] >> I guess go
[2:12:04] >> Going along with what Ryan said, just so
[2:12:05] everybody knows that we aren't going to
[2:12:07] approve their annexation so we can get
[2:12:09] this property.
[2:12:11] >> That's the bottom line is we're not
[2:12:12] going to be held over over a barrel.
[2:12:15] >> I just me to me the wording made it seem
[2:12:18] like
[2:12:21] and maybe maybe I don't understand the
[2:12:23] wording I guess, but to me the wording
[2:12:25] 100% made it seem like
[2:12:28] it's contingent
[2:12:30] on
[2:12:31] >> us approving
[2:12:32] >> on us approving that. So in a sense,
[2:12:34] that is saying you want this land, well
[2:12:36] I've got something that I want too and
[2:12:39] that's all it's just
[2:12:40] >> I should have explained that better.
[2:12:41] Yeah, because that Minne Creek
[2:12:43] annexation
[2:12:45] I'm not optimistic about it.
[2:12:47] >> I just
[2:12:48] >> happening and so I saw it as an
[2:12:50] guaranteed off ramp for the city not to
[2:12:52] have to
[2:12:54] purchase it if it if it doesn't go through and it
[2:12:58] looks like it's not.
[2:12:58] >> If they want to take that out.
[2:13:00] >> I would just also caution to say that's
[2:13:02] a separate application that will be
[2:13:04] reviewed according to the
[2:13:06] >> I don't even know what you're talking
[2:13:07] about.
[2:13:08] Thank you.
[2:13:08] >> I wouldn't comment about whether or not
[2:13:10] it's going to happen.
[2:13:11] >> on that. Yep.
[2:13:12] >> No.
[2:13:13] >> Okay. Any further discussion? I guess if
[2:13:15] you wanted to add if we wanted to add
[2:13:17] something to that and go back and give a
[2:13:19] addendum to this as saying that this has
[2:13:21] nothing to do with the annexation and
[2:13:24] approval from the city or something like
[2:13:26] that.
[2:13:27] >> Here's another thing.
[2:13:28] >> We can do that.
[2:13:29] >> What about
[2:13:31] I think in the budget we have up to
[2:13:32] $300,000
[2:13:35] for land.
[2:13:36] Is that accurate Sean?
[2:13:40] I think so.
[2:13:41] I mean again like there's always the
[2:13:44] thing of
[2:13:46] instead of that, if it's really the only
[2:13:48] land out there
[2:13:51] I mean I'd be more
[2:13:53] if that ever happened like that's just
[2:13:54] another idea if that had to happen I
[2:13:56] guess or
[2:13:57] if there's other land, but you're the
[2:13:59] one that's shopping.
[2:14:00] Not me.
[2:14:03] Okay.
[2:14:08] » All right council, any further
[2:14:09] discussion?
[2:14:11] Then I would entertain a motion.
[2:14:12] >> I make a motion that we authorize the
[2:14:14] city to enter into a real estate
[2:14:15] purchase contract for the acquisition of
[2:14:17] the property located at approximately
[2:14:19] 1350 North Arrowhead Trail, Payson,
[2:14:22] Utah.
[2:14:23] >> I'll second.
[2:14:25] >> I got a motion and a second. Council
[2:14:27] member Moss.
[2:14:28] >> Yes.
[2:14:28] >> Council member Probst guard. Yes.
[2:14:31] Council member Rowley.
[2:14:32] >> Yes.
[2:14:33] >> Council member Hewlett.
[2:14:34] >> Yes.
[2:14:34] >> Council member Smith.
[2:14:36] >> No.
[2:14:38] >> Okay, motion carries. Item number nine.
[2:14:41] Resolution approving an agreement for
[2:14:43] the purchase uh and and sell of power
[2:14:47] between Payson City and the Strawberry
[2:14:49] Water Users Association and authorizing
[2:14:52] the mayor to execute the agreement.
[2:14:55] Brandon or Shawn or whoever.
[2:14:58] >> We're tag teaming.
[2:14:59] >> Okay, tag team us.
[2:15:00] >> Here's the expert right here, but Mayor
[2:15:02] Council, we um
[2:15:05] Strawberry Water Users Association um
[2:15:09] owns or through the federal government,
[2:15:11] they have the hydro generating plant in
[2:15:13] Spanish Fork Canyon
[2:15:15] and the one in Payson Canyon.
[2:15:17] And they've been under contract uh
[2:15:21] with another entity to purchase all that
[2:15:23] uh
[2:15:25] that power that comes from there.
[2:15:27] Uh that contract ends July 1st. We've
[2:15:29] been working with them for quite some
[2:15:31] time. They They put out
[2:15:34] um
[2:15:35] bids or or letters of interest and and
[2:15:38] we we are interested.
[2:15:40] Uh it's another
[2:15:42] type of power for our portfolio. Uh you know Shawn by now. We We've come to
[2:15:47] you with solar and wind and
[2:15:50] different things like that, but this is
[2:15:51] part of our our portfolio.
[2:15:54] And uh
[2:15:56] through the due diligence process with
[2:15:57] Strawberry, they they wanted to work
[2:16:00] with us.
[2:16:01] Uh we prepared this contract. It's been
[2:16:03] through a
[2:16:04] through Brandon and their attorney and a
[2:16:06] lot of iterations, there was we wanted a
[2:16:08] 10-year
[2:16:10] um
[2:16:11] contract
[2:16:13] and uh there was a little hitch there
[2:16:15] because Strawberry's in the middle of negotiating with Central Utah Water
[2:16:20] to become a Bonneville unit
[2:16:22] and there was some
[2:16:23] there's some uncertainty that if they become a Bonneville unit in year
[2:16:27] two,
[2:16:29] you know, what would that do to the
[2:16:30] contract? And you know, we talked to
[2:16:32] Central Utah, they they want to give us
[2:16:35] whatever
[2:16:36] good
[2:16:37] fuzzy feeling that they can give us that
[2:16:39] they would keep working with us, but so
[2:16:41] we we dropped it to a 5-year
[2:16:43] we we we cut down the price we were
[2:16:45] willing to pay for it because it's five
[2:16:46] instead of 10.
[2:16:48] And but hopefully we can continue to
[2:16:49] work with that and uh
[2:16:52] and I can turn it over to Shawn for more
[2:16:53] of the details if you have questions,
[2:16:54] but that that's kind of what we're
[2:16:57] asking the the council to approve is is
[2:16:59] this contract for 5 years to to purchase
[2:17:02] that power, the hydropower from
[2:17:04] Strawberry Water Users.
[2:17:07] >> Shawn, anything you want to add?
[2:17:09] >> Um not not too much. Uh
[2:17:14] the Strawberry water power has been used
[2:17:17] a long time by themselves and then
[2:17:20] with um another um entity that as they
[2:17:24] broke away, they always kind of stayed
[2:17:25] together and so they put it out to bid
[2:17:28] like they was saying. I think there was
[2:17:29] a lot of bidders
[2:17:31] and we got it. I did some research. Um
[2:17:34] the transmission is is treated
[2:17:36] differently because it's within the
[2:17:38] SUVPS system
[2:17:40] and so I was able to bid a little higher
[2:17:43] than someone that was from outside of
[2:17:46] that system because you'd have to pay
[2:17:48] about $11 more per megawatt hour.
[2:17:50] And so that that helped us um
[2:17:54] attain it. It's a uh a little bit this
[2:17:56] year's kind of bad, but it looks like
[2:17:58] it'll be about 8% of our power under
[2:18:00] good years
[2:18:01] um overall and it would come mostly in
[2:18:03] the spring and early summer into the
[2:18:07] summer.
[2:18:08] Um
[2:18:09] And
[2:18:11] I like it. It's just another
[2:18:12] diversification tool. It's just
[2:18:14] something else that fits in our
[2:18:15] portfolio. And anytime that we can buy
[2:18:19] something renewable that comes under our
[2:18:22] wholesale price,
[2:18:23] I just want to pull the trigger because
[2:18:26] we don't know what the political climate
[2:18:28] will be like in a few years. So, we did
[2:18:30] a lot of this where I used to work. Um
[2:18:34] Uh you know, when you'd get these 8-year
[2:18:36] stints of certain presidents, and then
[2:18:38] all of a sudden all the rules would
[2:18:39] change. And so, we divested of coal
[2:18:42] where I used to work pretty early,
[2:18:44] like 2010, where a lot of people tried
[2:18:46] to hold on and, you know, switch to
[2:18:47] natural gas mostly. So, it became like
[2:18:50] the bridge
[2:18:51] to prop possibly nuclear in the future,
[2:18:53] but um
[2:18:55] it you usually there's energy credits
[2:18:57] that trade. There is energy I mean, each
[2:19:00] kind of um energy has its own value, and
[2:19:04] you can trade and sell those credits as
[2:19:06] well. So, um just looked attractive to
[2:19:08] me. Um I've always I really like hydro.
[2:19:11] We had four of them in the last town I
[2:19:13] worked in. And And the crisp is falling
[2:19:16] off bad as well, which is the Colorado
[2:19:18] River Storage Project. You all hear
[2:19:20] about Lake Powell and Flaming Gorge and
[2:19:22] all that. That's been a bummer cuz a lot
[2:19:24] of the cities along the Wasatch Front
[2:19:26] get big portions of that power. So, it's
[2:19:29] very much hurt um our local towns around
[2:19:33] here that had allocations. So, anytime
[2:19:35] though we can get hydro, um all in.
[2:19:39] It's fuel-free, inflation-free.
[2:19:43] >> So, Sean, do we get all the power that
[2:19:45] comes from there?
[2:19:46] We don't split it with anybody else. We
[2:19:48] We'll We'll get all the power, right?
[2:19:49] >> From Strawberry? Yeah, currently, but as
[2:19:51] Dave pointed out, um
[2:19:53] if the Bureau takes it over, it could
[2:19:56] get allocated through WAPA and it
[2:19:59] changes everything Western Area Power
[2:20:00] Authority and it might have to get
[2:20:02] shared after that point, but might take
[2:20:04] a long time to the paperwork and stuff,
[2:20:06] so we're not sure. But, we didn't know
[2:20:08] how to gauge it cuz what they may do
[2:20:10] might only be 2 years, so we just went
[2:20:12] with 5 years. We would like to have done
[2:20:14] 10.
[2:20:15] Um, lock it up as long as we can, but
[2:20:17] all the rules could change on us in a
[2:20:18] few years.
[2:20:20] And so,
[2:20:21] >> Sean, do we have any other hydro in our
[2:20:22] portfolio as of now?
[2:20:24] >> Uh, Colorado River storage project a
[2:20:25] little bit.
[2:20:26] >> Okay.
[2:20:26] >> Like about like 2.5.
[2:20:28] >> Yeah, it's about megawatt right now. Um,
[2:20:31] and it's usually bigger. It's probably
[2:20:33] about a third of what it's traditionally
[2:20:35] been and it might shut off
[2:20:37] some point, so.
[2:20:38] >> Need more snow.
[2:20:40] >> In the water.
[2:20:41] >> Yeah. Yeah.
[2:20:42] >> [laughter]
[2:20:44] >> Any other questions, Council?
[2:20:46] I'd entertain a motion.
[2:20:48] >> I'll make the motion that we approve the
[2:20:50] um, purchase uh, for the sale of power
[2:20:53] between Payson City and Strawberry Water
[2:20:55] User Association authorizing the mayor
[2:20:57] to execute the agreement.
[2:20:59] >> Second.
[2:21:00] >> I have a motion and a second.
[2:21:02] Council member Smith.
[2:21:04] >> Yes.
[2:21:05] Council member Youatt.
[2:21:07] >> Yes.
[2:21:07] >> Council member Rolley.
[2:21:08] >> Yes.
[2:21:09] >> Council member Probst Guard, yes.
[2:21:11] Council member Moss.
[2:21:12] >> Yes.
[2:21:13] >> Motion passes.
[2:21:14] >> Thank you.
[2:21:17] >> [snorts]
[2:21:18] >> Item number 10, amendment to Payson City
[2:21:20] Code section 4.08.180,
[2:21:24] cross connection control and black
[2:21:27] backflow prevention.
[2:21:29] Brandon and Travis.
[2:21:31] >> Yeah, I'll take this one.
[2:21:32] >> Okay.
[2:21:32] >> So, um, a couple of our employees just
[2:21:35] went to a some state training on
[2:21:37] backflow prevention and cross
[2:21:38] connections, so they had the state
[2:21:41] review our ordinance and the state
[2:21:42] recommended the wording change that you
[2:21:44] see in the packet, so that's that's what
[2:21:46] it kind of pushed this forward to hurry
[2:21:49] and do it so so we could just be in
[2:21:50] compliance with what
[2:21:52] the state's doing and what we have to do
[2:21:54] with it cuz this is basically if anyone
[2:21:56] wants to connect, you know, like they're
[2:21:58] trying to water outside with a, you
[2:22:00] know,
[2:22:01] culinary water. So, like we have up
[2:22:02] above the canal in Patterson and stuff
[2:22:05] like that.
[2:22:06] We have to do yearly inspections and
[2:22:08] that kind of stuff. So, that's just kind
[2:22:09] of a little Somebody might live up there
[2:22:11] that we know, But, yeah, that's what this is about.
[2:22:14] So, it was just get to tighten up our
[2:22:16] ordinance better with what the state
[2:22:17] wanted. So,
[2:22:22] » Pretty straightforward. Uh any any
[2:22:25] further discussion, Council?
[2:22:26] >> I make a motion that we approve
[2:22:29] the amendment to the Payson City Code
[2:22:30] section 4.08.180
[2:22:33] cross connection control and backflow
[2:22:35] prevention.
[2:22:36] >> I will second.
[2:22:38] >> I have a motion and a second. Council
[2:22:39] member Moss.
[2:22:40] >> Yes.
[2:22:41] >> Council member Probst guard. Yes.
[2:22:42] Council member Rowley.
[2:22:44] >> Yes.
[2:22:45] >> Council member Schuler.
[2:22:46] >> Yes.
[2:22:46] >> Council member Smith.
[2:22:47] >> Yes.
[2:22:49] >> Motion carries.
[2:22:52] Item number 11.
[2:22:54] Ordinance adopting the IO Infill Overlay
[2:22:56] Zone designation for property located at
[2:22:59] 353 North
[2:23:01] 300 East Utah County parcel
[2:23:05] 08-048-0029.
[2:23:08] Michael.
[2:23:12] » So, I don't have a presentation, just a
[2:23:13] couple of images to show you at that
[2:23:15] proximity, the area, the neighborhood.
[2:23:17] So, I'll just pull that up really quick.
[2:23:27] So,
[2:23:28] where the little red dot there is,
[2:23:30] that's where the home is. The proposal
[2:23:32] is to subdivide the home, so it's of the
[2:23:36] same lot sizes as you can see
[2:23:38] nearby, very similar. Um this was done
[2:23:42] many years ago and it was approved, but
[2:23:45] then it never got recorded, never went
[2:23:48] forward. And so the property owner wants
[2:23:50] to come back and and do such. So, that's
[2:23:54] um the neighborhood um and then
[2:23:57] the lots would just look
[2:24:00] um very similar again to adjacent lots.
[2:24:03] Uh and so the overlay is needed because
[2:24:06] these lots are just slightly smaller
[2:24:07] than the minimum lot size for that zone.
[2:24:10] And that's that's what's being asked for
[2:24:12] today is the the lots are just a little
[2:24:14] over 7,000 square feet and the frontage
[2:24:16] is just a little under the I think it's
[2:24:19] like 60 something. I can't see it on
[2:24:22] there, but um
[2:24:24] 59
[2:24:27] » 5943
[2:24:29] >> No, it's it's more. Yeah, so you 7050
[2:24:32] 7052 Yeah, it's got a point of beginning
[2:24:34] right there that adds another
[2:24:36] So, the yeah, it's about 5 ft under the
[2:24:39] minimum frontage, very similar to like I
[2:24:42] said to other homes in the neighborhood
[2:24:44] there. So, that's that's the request.
[2:24:46] Um it went to planning commission about
[2:24:49] 3 or 4 weeks ago and they had a positive
[2:24:51] recommendation for approval on this.
[2:24:53] >> And lot one is where the existing home
[2:24:55] is, correct?
[2:24:55] >> Correct.
[2:24:57] >> Michael, I had a question. If you go
[2:24:59] back to the
[2:25:00] If when I drove by there, it looks like
[2:25:02] the building is right on property line.
[2:25:05] Where you would divide the property
[2:25:07] line.
[2:25:07] >> That shed structure, is that kind of
[2:25:09] what you're pointing at?
[2:25:10] >> That would make it non-conforming.
[2:25:12] >> Yeah, it looks
[2:25:13] >> Whoops, is the setbacks wouldn't be
[2:25:15] correct.
[2:25:15] >> Correct.
[2:25:20] » Mhm.
[2:25:21] Well, but it's it's attached.
[2:25:25] >> Well,
[2:25:26] I can't say it's attached to the home.
[2:25:28] >> No, it's not. And
[2:25:33] No, I don't know if we have the size of
[2:25:34] that
[2:25:36] building.
[2:25:40] » I I think if we were to make a motion
[2:25:42] that we would just make a motion that it
[2:25:43] met
[2:25:44] the setback requirements of dividing
[2:25:47] that line.
[2:25:49] What would make me comfortable.
[2:25:52] >> And you could make a modified motion for
[2:25:54] that if you wanted to. Allowing for
[2:25:56] less setback or requiring that they have
[2:25:58] the proper
[2:25:59] >> meet that setback.
[2:26:00] >> So they may have to move that uh
[2:26:03] that shed too potentially or moving the
[2:26:05] shed either way, moving the boundary of
[2:26:07] lot two or
[2:26:09] all that. So
[2:26:11] one remedy could be just
[2:26:14] adjusting the property line to allow for
[2:26:16] >> saying adjust the property line cuz you
[2:26:18] can't go any smaller than 7,000 ft.
[2:26:21] >> Well, you can.
[2:26:22] >> We could.
[2:26:22] >> The overlay allows you
[2:26:23] >> we can.
[2:26:24] >> Yeah. I just I just don't know if it's necessary for us to make him
[2:26:27] tear down that shed if if it's
[2:26:30] >> I just don't want to make it
[2:26:31] non-conforming.
[2:26:32] >> Just move the property
[2:26:33] >> This is already going to this is an
[2:26:34] overlay so it's going to change. It's
[2:26:35] going to be non-conforming.
[2:26:37] >> Well, and you can see there it says 5-ft
[2:26:39] PUE ends at the existing garage. So
[2:26:42] there would be that 5 ft behind it.
[2:26:46] Would be would be that property line.
[2:26:48] >> No, it's not. Then the 5-ft setbacks
[2:26:50] exists. Okay.
[2:26:52] >> Yep.
[2:26:52] >> Any further discussion?
[2:26:53] >> Yeah, I have one question for you. How
[2:26:55] long does the overlay zones last if if
[2:26:58] we approve them, if they don't record
[2:27:00] them, do they last 1 year, 2 years, 3
[2:27:02] years?
[2:27:02] >> the biggest problem with this is the the
[2:27:04] plat never recorded.
[2:27:05] >> Right, but how long
[2:27:07] >> it's 1 year.
[2:27:08] >> 1 year, okay.
[2:27:09] >> Yeah.
[2:27:10] >> And they're going to record it this
[2:27:11] time, we hope.
[2:27:12] >> That's the plan.
[2:27:13] >> Okay.
[2:27:15] >> I make a motion that
[2:27:17] we approve adopting the inlay the infill
[2:27:20] overlay zoning designation for the
[2:27:22] property located at 353 North 300 East,
[2:27:26] Utah County parcel 08 0480029.
[2:27:33] » I second.
[2:27:34] >> Motion and a second. Council member
[2:27:35] Moss.
[2:27:36] >> Yes.
[2:27:37] >> Council member Probstgaard? Yes.
[2:27:39] Council member Rowley?
[2:27:40] >> Yes.
[2:27:41] >> Council member Hewlett?
[2:27:42] >> Yes.
[2:27:43] >> Council member
[2:27:44] >> Yes.
[2:27:47] » All right.
[2:27:49] Item number 12.
[2:27:50] >> It looks like your microphone's not on.
[2:27:52] So.
[2:27:53] >> Sorry.
[2:27:55] >> Motion carried. Items number 12, 13, and
[2:27:58] 14.
[2:27:59] Can you give us a presentation on all
[2:28:01] three?
[2:28:01] >> Yes, I'll give you a brief presentation
[2:28:03] on all three, but they are separate
[2:28:05] agenda items, so
[2:28:06] >> We'll make a motion on each one.
[2:28:08] >> Make them separately, yes.
[2:28:09] >> Yep.
[2:28:29] » Oh, it looks like it's at the very end.
[2:28:30] Okay. So, there's three the three agenda
[2:28:33] items there, the Haskell, the
[2:28:35] Braithwaite, the Ludine, Mark, and
[2:28:36] Marjorie Haskell annexation requests.
[2:28:41] So, we'll just go through them in order
[2:28:42] as they're on the agenda there.
[2:28:44] Um the first one, you can see it zooming
[2:28:47] in here. This is
[2:28:48] um the Haskell addition.
[2:28:51] Those are the two parcels, and then
[2:28:53] there's a remnant parcel at the top of
[2:28:55] that's road that would be part of this.
[2:29:01] Um
[2:29:02] so, to give you a little bit of
[2:29:03] orientation, I put on there 1200 East
[2:29:06] and Salem Canal Road. Uh this is the
[2:29:08] concept layout that the applicant shared
[2:29:10] with us on the left-hand side there.
[2:29:13] Um staff have some concerns with this
[2:29:16] concept layout, and I I just put a few
[2:29:18] bullet points there. The street needs to
[2:29:20] be stubbed to the edge of the property.
[2:29:22] That helps for future developments, and
[2:29:25] helps hopefully to address some of those
[2:29:27] concerns we have with um annexing very
[2:29:30] small pieces of property that we want to
[2:29:32] plan for the future of of adjacent
[2:29:34] properties.
[2:29:36] Um that flag lot's a concern to us.
[2:29:40] That that's not ideal. Um and then last
[2:29:43] of all, we need to confirm that uh
[2:29:45] utilities will work in that area and
[2:29:48] that would be something that we would
[2:29:49] work with the applicant on if accepted.
[2:29:52] Uh zoning here would match um the most
[2:29:55] recent annexation to the west, the
[2:29:57] Staley annexation. And it would be
[2:30:00] minimum lot sizes of 20,000 square feet
[2:30:03] is the intent for these. So, 20 That
[2:30:06] would be the R120, but the lots would be
[2:30:08] anywhere from 20,000 to greater in
[2:30:10] square footage.
[2:30:13] >> And I wonder if we should talk about
[2:30:15] each of these individually just cuz they
[2:30:16] all have uh individual needs and
[2:30:18] concerns.
[2:30:19] >> Probably we should. Probably we should.
[2:30:20] >> I I really don't like lot number six.
[2:30:23] Um
[2:30:25] Mhm.
[2:30:26] >> Is that the flag one?
[2:30:27] >> Yeah.
[2:30:27] and then uh also the
[2:30:30] uh the uh the terrain, and I'm trying to
[2:30:32] remember uh isn't this one quite steep?
[2:30:35] >> It starts elevating. I think it's it's
[2:30:38] fairly flat here, but it starts
[2:30:39] elevating towards the I believe the back
[2:30:41] of those buildings on I guess the first
[2:30:44] lot on the left-hand side there.
[2:30:46] >> Okay.
[2:30:47] >> Yeah, so it does start elevating.
[2:30:48] >> I I do like the size of the lots. Uh I I
[2:30:51] think I think that's a a bonus to have
[2:30:54] some more bigger lots in Pace, and
[2:30:55] that's what we've always been wanting. Um
[2:30:58] uh obviously the your bullet item about
[2:31:01] the utilities, yeah, we want to make
[2:31:02] sure that
[2:31:03] uh utilities can flow. Um I'm not a big
[2:31:06] fan. I've talked with Travis, too, and he's helped me understand a few
[2:31:10] things. Not a big fan of all these
[2:31:12] little tiny uh lift stations running
[2:31:15] these little subdivisions. And so, that would be a huge concern for me to
[2:31:19] see if in fact we could tie in the
[2:31:20] utilities and do it in such a way that
[2:31:22] it's not a burden on the rest of the
[2:31:23] residents. And then uh obviously it's it's a small annexation, uh but the
[2:31:29] risk that comes with big annexations of hundreds of acres is they're always
[2:31:34] begging for super dense. Right? And so,
[2:31:37] that's one way to keep uh bigger lots is
[2:31:39] to have these smaller annexations. So,
[2:31:41] that's something to consider, too.
[2:31:44] » Uh my my question is we're considering
[2:31:48] an annexation, not a subdivision.
[2:31:51] >> Yes, this is just a concept they shared
[2:31:53] with us.
[2:31:54] >> I I'm I'm not in favor approving that. I
[2:31:57] am interested in talking about the
[2:31:59] annexation, but the concept plan to me
[2:32:02] should be just off the table. I
[2:32:04] appreciate them taking a moment in doing
[2:32:06] that,
[2:32:07] but I'm more concerned about the
[2:32:09] annexation and letting staff
[2:32:11] really fine-tooth this and tell us what
[2:32:14] >> Well, the the concept wouldn't be part
[2:32:16] of your decision tonight. That would be
[2:32:20] ultimately what would go into an
[2:32:21] annexation agreement if it was adopted.
[2:32:24] >> I agree.
[2:32:25] >> But I think for for myself to make a
[2:32:27] decision on annexation this small, the
[2:32:29] concept map is important to see what
[2:32:30] their their plans are and to see how
[2:32:32] much they would change if they would
[2:32:34] further go down the road.
[2:32:35] >> Well, and I think if staff spends a few
[2:32:37] more minutes with it,
[2:32:39] particularly utilities and that, we
[2:32:41] might find that
[2:32:43] there might be some suggestions there,
[2:32:44] also.
[2:32:45] >> So, the way I look at this, this is just
[2:32:47] a go-to review. So, this concept plan is
[2:32:49] just their ideas, and it's it's not
[2:32:52] I mean, it could totally change because
[2:32:55] it's going to be what staff looks at,
[2:32:57] what they agree to, and then it'll come
[2:32:58] back to council once the staff's and
[2:33:01] planning zoning are comfortable with it.
[2:33:03] Then it'll come back to us and see if we want to annex after that time. But I So, I'm going to leave it up to
[2:33:09] the staff to look at this and and make
[2:33:12] sure it's what we really want and how
[2:33:14] it's going to work for Payson.
[2:33:18] » Any other comment, Council?
[2:33:20] Then I would consider a motion
[2:33:23] specifically for the Haskell addition
[2:33:26] annexation petition for consideration
[2:33:29] of further review located at 1200 East
[2:33:33] Salem Canal Road consisting of 6.21
[2:33:36] acres.
[2:33:36] >> I'm going to say so moved so I don't
[2:33:38] have to repeat it all.
[2:33:42] » I need to pause and ask one more
[2:33:43] question before I can make a decision,
[2:33:45] Michael. Um if this were to get approved
[2:33:47] and we we allow for staff to continue to
[2:33:49] review this annexation
[2:33:51] uh at that point, what what avenues or
[2:33:54] off-ramps do we have if we don't like what comes to us with
[2:33:59] the the full annexation?
[2:34:01] >> Well, that's the beauty of an annexation
[2:34:03] is it's entirely legislative.
[2:34:05] >> Okay.
[2:34:05] >> And so you can say no for just about any
[2:34:07] reason.
[2:34:08] >> We we can say um
[2:34:10] we can bring it in
[2:34:12] as as a holding zone, right?
[2:34:14] We don't have to bring it in as an
[2:34:16] annexation. We can bring it in as as a
[2:34:17] holding zone. So that gives us a whole
[2:34:20] bunch of legislation right there.
[2:34:22] >> Really really all you have the decision
[2:34:24] before you tonight is
[2:34:27] do you want us to review this for
[2:34:29] annexation or do you not want us to
[2:34:31] review this for annexation? And then you
[2:34:34] have a arsenal of things.
[2:34:36] >> I'd like to know what the sewer is going
[2:34:38] to be costing.
[2:34:39] >> I
[2:34:40] forgot to ask. Um sorry.
[2:34:43] When when a annexation review comes to
[2:34:46] staff, is it normally
[2:34:49] the total weighted score?
[2:34:51] Like do people normally not enter the
[2:34:54] utilities are currently?
[2:34:56] >> So for instance, with the last
[2:34:59] annexation that we had um that was
[2:35:01] actually denied, that weighted score was
[2:35:04] like 25% when the applicant brought it
[2:35:07] to us, but we still had uh city council
[2:35:10] still accepted it for further review,
[2:35:12] and we went through the whole process
[2:35:13] only to come to the conclusion that
[2:35:16] council decided not to annex that. So,
[2:35:18] it's really just a guiding tool for us
[2:35:21] and for you to understand
[2:35:23] how we're we're kind of rating these,
[2:35:26] how how ready are they to potentially
[2:35:29] develop, but it's by no means uh like a
[2:35:35] something you you're going to hold your
[2:35:36] hat on for it.
[2:35:38] >> What would you say how many based on
[2:35:40] just this one?
[2:35:42] Rough guess,
[2:35:44] how many more staff hours would you
[2:35:46] consider this one would need
[2:35:49] to
[2:35:50] like if they would have done a little
[2:35:52] bit more work or you know, something
[2:35:53] like
[2:35:54] >> If I can.
[2:35:56] Sorry, Lacy. We've got a motion on the
[2:35:57] floor.
[2:35:58] >> Oh, sorry.
[2:35:58] >> Uh
[2:35:59] >> Go ahead.
[2:36:00] >> I I think procedure-wise, we need to
[2:36:02] follow through.
[2:36:02] >> Okay. Yeah, sorry. Go ahead.
[2:36:04] >> I have a motion on the floor to approve
[2:36:06] the further review. Do I have a second?
[2:36:08] >> I'll second.
[2:36:09] >> I have a second. Any further discussion?
[2:36:12] Lacy.
[2:36:15] So,
[2:36:16] >> this
[2:36:16] >> to answer her question if if that's
[2:36:19] >> Yes.
[2:36:19] >> Okay.
[2:36:20] >> Um
[2:36:22] this is very common for annexation
[2:36:24] proposals. Applicants, developers,
[2:36:26] whoever they are, they don't want to
[2:36:28] spend money until they have some
[2:36:29] assurance that they're at least going to
[2:36:31] be considered. So, they're going to do
[2:36:34] additional engineering, civil planning,
[2:36:37] those sort of things to go into this.
[2:36:39] There's going to be back and forth with
[2:36:41] staff, but this being as small as it is,
[2:36:43] it's not going to be a lot of man hours
[2:36:45] for staff.
[2:36:46] >> Thank you. And I and I do want to thank
[2:36:48] all of the residents that have both sent
[2:36:50] emails and come tonight. We we we hear
[2:36:52] you loud and clear. We appreciate how
[2:36:54] thoughtful uh
[2:36:56] how much thought went into this. And uh
[2:36:59] annexation and land use is a very
[2:37:01] important and very important thing. And
[2:37:03] I do want to remind all of us that this
[2:37:05] East side is so very important and that
[2:37:08] we need to develop it wisely. I don't
[2:37:09] want to be coming down SR 198 in the
[2:37:12] future and say, "Oh, look how nice Salem
[2:37:14] is." And then, "Oh, look there's
[2:37:15] Payson." And so, we'll we'll be very
[2:37:17] conscious and careful about how we
[2:37:19] develop this area.
[2:37:22] >> And and just one last thing, there
[2:37:24] it will come to a public hearing.
[2:37:26] >> Yes.
[2:37:27] >> public will have a chance to come and
[2:37:29] voice their
[2:37:31] concerns and look at the
[2:37:33] appreciate
[2:37:33] >> the letters that we've gotten so far in
[2:37:35] May.
[2:37:36] >> Yeah.
[2:37:36] >> Yep, they've been very helpful.
[2:37:37] >> And as staff reviews this, they're going
[2:37:39] to be looking at these type
[2:37:41] comprehensive plan and making sure it
[2:37:42] fits.
[2:37:43] >> the plan, if it meets the ordinance,
[2:37:44] there's a lot of things that we will
[2:37:45] give to you so you can make a decision.
[2:37:48] >> All of this is why I'm okay to re-
[2:37:49] to pass on to review.
[2:37:51] >> Okay, I have a motion and a second.
[2:37:53] Council member
[2:37:54] Moss.
[2:37:55] >> Yes.
[2:37:55] >> Council member Pulsipher. Yes. Council
[2:37:58] member Rowley.
[2:37:58] >> Yes.
[2:37:59] >> Council member Hewlett.
[2:38:00] >> Yes.
[2:38:01] >> And Council member Smith.
[2:38:02] >> For this, yes.
[2:38:04] To review, yes.
[2:38:06] >> Motion carries to review.
[2:38:08] Item number 13.
[2:38:11] Breathwaite Addition Annexation Petition
[2:38:14] for consideration of further review
[2:38:16] located at approximately 10457 South
[2:38:20] 2340 West consisting of 5.25 acres.
[2:38:24] Michael.
[2:38:27] » Zooming in on this one here.
[2:38:29] >> Make sure your
[2:38:30] microphone turned on.
[2:38:32] >> Zooming in here, this is immediately
[2:38:34] north of the Quail Mountain subdivision.
[2:38:36] That's that
[2:38:38] area that um
[2:38:41] that area that's the square box that's
[2:38:43] in the city limits in yellow. So, that's
[2:38:45] the area here.
[2:38:47] Um
[2:38:49] showing you the concept they have here.
[2:38:51] We're we're not necessarily in love with
[2:38:53] this concept, either. Um
[2:38:56] it's a rough concept that they shared
[2:38:58] for for these purposes and to consider
[2:39:01] ultimately how many lots they could
[2:39:02] potentially get on the property.
[2:39:05] Um
[2:39:07] same question staff have on this is just
[2:39:09] confirming that utilities will work for
[2:39:11] the area. This would include uh storm
[2:39:14] drain. This would include sewer and how
[2:39:16] that works.
[2:39:18] Um
[2:39:19] the applicant is proposing uh R110,
[2:39:21] which is uh
[2:39:23] the same as what's immediately adjacent
[2:39:25] to it. So,
[2:39:26] any questions on this one?
[2:39:29] >> Uh I guess not questions, just a few
[2:39:31] comments. Um
[2:39:34] it would almost be a one-way dead end in
[2:39:37] and out situation with this uh
[2:39:40] particular one the way it's laid out.
[2:39:41] And then uh if I'm not mistaken, this
[2:39:43] one would require a sewer lift station
[2:39:47] uh to to make it work. And uh that that
[2:39:50] for me incurs enough of a cost. And I
[2:39:53] think this one I mean it's it's it's the
[2:39:56] smallest one uh to and
[2:39:59] I guess I'm not a huge fan of this one.
[2:40:06] » I'm I'm fine with just doing a review.
[2:40:08] So, this that's what this is for is so
[2:40:10] staff can look at and do a review and
[2:40:12] see what it comes back like.
[2:40:15] >> Yeah, I I don't like the concept of it
[2:40:17] at all.
[2:40:18] >> Okay, any further discussion?
[2:40:22] Uh
[2:40:23] I'd entertain a motion
[2:40:24] for resolution number 13. Do I need to
[2:40:27] read it all again?
[2:40:33] » I move that we approve
[2:40:35] uh the resolution for the Braithwaite
[2:40:36] addition and annexation petition for
[2:40:38] consideration and further review located
[2:40:40] at approximately
[2:40:42] 10,457
[2:40:43] South 2340 West consisting of 5.25
[2:40:47] acres.
[2:40:48] >> I'll second.
[2:40:49] it.
[2:40:50] >> Motion in the second. Council member
[2:40:53] Smith.
[2:40:53] >> No.
[2:40:54] >> Council member Hewlett.
[2:40:55] >> Yes.
[2:40:56] >> Council member Rowley.
[2:40:57] >> No.
[2:40:58] >> Council member Probstgaard.
[2:40:59] >> Yes.
[2:41:00] >> Council member Moss.
[2:41:03] >> Yes, only because it's going to review.
[2:41:05] >> Motion passed for review.
[2:41:09] Motion
[2:41:10] >> Nope, it shut off.
[2:41:12] It's It's tired.
[2:41:14] >> [laughter]
[2:41:14] >> Uh motion passed for review.
[2:41:17] Um I think you're you're more than open.
[2:41:21] It's been a public forum or public
[2:41:22] meeting tonight to let them know that
[2:41:25] council does not like the concept at
[2:41:27] all.
[2:41:29] Um
[2:41:30] we're not going to be specific with
[2:41:31] that, but we just don't like it.
[2:41:34] They can go from there.
[2:41:36] Thank you. Item number 14.
[2:41:39] Resolution for Ludene, Mark, and
[2:41:41] Marjorie Haskell addition annexation
[2:41:43] petition for consideration of further
[2:41:45] review located at approximately
[2:41:48] 10755 South 2100 West consisting of 6.57
[2:41:54] acres.
[2:41:55] Michael.
[2:42:07] » So, these are the properties here. Why
[2:42:09] does it keep going forward? Um
[2:42:13] we'll just continue on to the next one.
[2:42:15] So, uh these are the properties. You can
[2:42:18] see the homes that are existing on the
[2:42:21] east side of 1500 East and then
[2:42:24] a conceptual
[2:42:25] uh lot layout there.
[2:42:27] Um
[2:42:29] the staff met with them a couple times
[2:42:31] on this one. This is the latest
[2:42:33] consideration of a lot layout they gave
[2:42:35] us. We're not in love with it. I know
[2:42:38] that uh I met with
[2:42:41] Joe Jamison on our staff and he was
[2:42:43] telling me how um a vactor truck
[2:42:46] couldn't even get through this area
[2:42:48] right here where they're proposing for
[2:42:50] sewer to continue through. So, that's
[2:42:53] obviously an issue that sit the city has
[2:42:55] that would need to be addressed in any
[2:42:57] kind of development layout. Um
[2:43:01] this one also has um
[2:43:03] some concern with the 1500 East because
[2:43:06] 1500 East is proposed to be a future
[2:43:09] arterial road that will go all the way
[2:43:11] to the freeway. And so there's a lot of
[2:43:15] right of way here that that potentially
[2:43:17] needs to be preserved. This is
[2:43:20] potentially a good um strategy for the
[2:43:23] city to ensure it if the city were to
[2:43:25] annex it for example is it only annex it
[2:43:28] on condition that that right of way is
[2:43:30] dedicated.
[2:43:31] >> Correct.
[2:43:32] >> Um however
[2:43:34] um you can see uh
[2:43:38] the right of way is the hashed area that
[2:43:41] they're showing here.
[2:43:42] And that's getting really close to some
[2:43:44] of those homes there.
[2:43:46] So
[2:43:47] there's several concerns with this. Uh
[2:43:49] this one by far has had the most public
[2:43:52] comment that's been submitted to us thus
[2:43:54] far. Um the biggest public comments are
[2:43:57] concerned with drainage and concerned
[2:43:59] with lot sizes. Uh the citizens in this
[2:44:02] area feel as if the lots should be
[2:44:04] similar in size to those most
[2:44:06] immediately adjacent to the left. And
[2:44:10] staff
[2:44:11] believes that that's a fair assessment.
[2:44:13] That's why they're asking the
[2:44:15] applicant's asking in their request for
[2:44:17] the R19 and staff would recommend either
[2:44:19] R110 or R115 at a minimum for for these
[2:44:23] areas. Any questions on this one?
[2:44:25] >> I I think it's safe to say too we have
[2:44:27] no idea when that road is is is going to
[2:44:30] happen. Um and it would be wise for the
[2:44:32] city to to get that road dedication. How wide it would we require to
[2:44:37] dedicate?
[2:44:39] >> Travis, what is it? 105? 108?
[2:44:41] >> 108 back-to-back.
[2:44:43] >> 118 ft
[2:44:45] >> toe back-to-back.
[2:44:46] >> Wow.
[2:44:46] >> From from back of sidewalk to back of
[2:44:48] sidewalk.
[2:44:49] >> Yeah. So so So this this uh you know
[2:44:51] this annexation is particularly when
[2:44:53] they're they're shrinking a lot sizes
[2:44:54] because they're dedicating so much
[2:44:57] to to the city. Um but uh but yeah, this
[2:45:00] one's in in such a tender spot too and and uh
[2:45:05] the lot sizes, the shape of everything,
[2:45:07] it's this one might need to be part of a
[2:45:09] bigger one in the future.
[2:45:18] » I just worry on this one that we're
[2:45:19] going to use too much
[2:45:21] staff, right? Like resources right now
[2:45:24] until it's a little closer to
[2:45:28] being ready, but
[2:45:28] >> We we don't want to lead anybody along,
[2:45:30] including the applicant and the
[2:45:31] landowner. We don't want to waste staff
[2:45:32] time. And yeah, so it's a delicate
[2:45:34] balance of
[2:45:36] what to have you guys focus on.
[2:45:39] >> Do we want to review it?
[2:45:41] Um
[2:45:42] and and let them tell them I mean
[2:45:45] obviously every one of us are not in
[2:45:46] favor of R19 zone.
[2:45:48] Not in that area.
[2:45:50] Uh particularly if you look to the left,
[2:45:54] um
[2:45:55] those are all larger lots.
[2:45:58] >> Yes, and then like I said before, it's
[2:46:00] that double-edged sword cuz if we wait
[2:46:01] until a a 2 300-acre annexation in this
[2:46:05] property, uh it's going to come with a cost of more density.
[2:46:09] >> Yeah.
[2:46:09] >> And so that is it is that that fine
[2:46:11] line.
[2:46:12] Um and yeah, the the only way to control
[2:46:14] our neighbor's property is to buy it.
[2:46:17] Right? And so it's it's a hard thing. Um
[2:46:19] but this one may not be timely yet.
[2:46:22] >> Uh if I may interject, the applicant is
[2:46:25] here if you want to ask them any
[2:46:26] specific questions. So
[2:46:30] >> Yeah, I just have a couple things on
[2:46:31] this. This is going to be a challenging
[2:46:33] piece and yes, it I think that the
[2:46:35] density needs to be less,
[2:46:37] but I still don't have a problem with
[2:46:39] reviewing it, but just knowing that the
[2:46:42] applicant knows that this could be a
[2:46:44] real challenge.
[2:46:48] » I agree.
[2:46:49] Um
[2:46:51] not a public hearing, so staff any other
[2:46:53] or council any other
[2:46:56] comments or questions?
[2:46:58] I would entertain a motion.
[2:47:00] >> Make a motion that we approve the Lou
[2:47:02] Dean Mark and Marjorie Haskell addition
[2:47:04] annexation petition for consideration of
[2:47:07] further review located approximately
[2:47:09] 1755
[2:47:11] South 2100 West consisting of 6.57
[2:47:14] acres.
[2:47:16] >> I have a motion.
[2:47:17] >> It's 10,000 not 1,000.
[2:47:20] Thank you.
[2:47:23] » Motion, do I have a second?
[2:47:25] >> Second.
[2:47:25] >> I have a motion and a second.
[2:47:27] Start with council member Moss.
[2:47:34] » I'm going either way.
[2:47:37] It's out for review, I'll say yes.
[2:47:40] >> Um council member Probstgaard, yes.
[2:47:43] Council member Rowley.
[2:47:44] >> No.
[2:47:45] >> Council member Hulet.
[2:47:46] >> Yes.
[2:47:47] >> Council member Smith.
[2:47:48] >> No.
[2:47:50] >> Motion passes
[2:47:51] for review.
[2:47:53] Item number 15 has been tabled.
[2:47:59] Okay, I would consider a motion to table
[2:48:02] item number 15.
[2:48:03] >> So moved.
[2:48:04] >> Second.
[2:48:06] >> Council member Moss.
[2:48:07] >> Yes.
[2:48:07] >> Council member Probstgaard, yes. Council
[2:48:09] member Rowley.
[2:48:11] >> Yes.
[2:48:12] >> You know what you're voting on?
[2:48:13] >> Mhm.
[2:48:15] >> Council member Hulet.
[2:48:16] >> Yes.
[2:48:16] >> Council member Smith.
[2:48:17] >> Yes.
[2:48:20] >> Brian.
[2:48:23] Uh council or item number F, I would
[2:48:26] accept a motion to adjourn to the
[2:48:28] redevelopment agency.
[2:48:29] >> So moved.
[2:48:30] >> Second.
[2:48:31] >> Have a motion and a second. Council
[2:48:33] member Smith.
[2:48:34] >> Yes.
[2:48:35] >> Council member Hulet.
[2:48:36] >> Yes.
[2:48:36] >> Council member Rowley.
[2:48:37] >> Yes.
[2:48:38] >> Council member Probstgaard, yes. Council
[2:48:40] member Moss.
[2:48:41] >> Yes.
[2:48:42] >> We are now as
[2:48:44] directors and we are in the a
[2:48:46] redevelopment agency setting.
[2:48:54] » May I
[2:48:55] We reviewed this once already as I said
[2:48:57] the redevelopment for the town is a
[2:48:59] Walgreens economic development
[2:49:01] agreement. And the redevelopment
[2:49:04] business park is innovation center with
[2:49:06] the addition of the road.
[2:49:09] Do you have any questions on it I can
[2:49:11] help you with?
[2:49:17] » Oh, this is this is what I brought up
[2:49:19] earlier, right? Um
[2:49:21] I guess one idea I have I wonder if if
[2:49:24] instead of replacing the entirety of American way because of fear that I
[2:49:30] have of rapid growth in that area which
[2:49:32] I'm hopeful for and then tearing it back
[2:49:34] up to to tie in everybody's utilities. I
[2:49:36] wonder if
[2:49:37] instead of approving the 504
[2:49:41] we just I wonder if we should just
[2:49:42] approve up to $200,000
[2:49:45] to to slurry and crack seal and to do a
[2:49:48] few other hot button items that will
[2:49:50] help preserve it into the future rather
[2:49:52] than totally repaving it.
[2:49:56] I'm open for any other ideas or
[2:49:58] discussion on that too.
[2:49:58] >> Yeah, I I think I would rather approve
[2:50:01] prove it
[2:50:02] and then see what the connections are
[2:50:05] going to be.
[2:50:06] My concern is is that we're going to
[2:50:08] lose the integrity of the the sub structure of the asphalt and
[2:50:12] it'll cost us a double.
[2:50:14] That that's my concern if we go through
[2:50:16] another winter.
[2:50:18] Maybe we could limp through this winter
[2:50:20] but my concern is I don't want to have
[2:50:22] to pay it double.
[2:50:24] Uh
[2:50:25] hopefully whatever's coming
[2:50:28] we'll dig out into that road and get it
[2:50:31] done
[2:50:33] in a timely manner.
[2:50:34] I I I think that would be the best say.
[2:50:37] >> Yeah, I'd like to leave the way it is,
[2:50:38] but let Travis and Kent do a little more
[2:50:41] study on and see what they think would
[2:50:43] be the best to
[2:50:45] make sure we preserve it but in a timely
[2:50:47] manner and cost-effective manner.
[2:50:50] >> But before we move forward, I would I
[2:50:53] would like Ryan, if that's okay,
[2:50:55] to come back to council and approve
[2:50:57] that.
[2:50:57] >> You want to do the same stipulation you
[2:50:59] did on
[2:50:59] >> Yeah, the same stipulation that we don't
[2:51:01] spend this money until
[2:51:03] council has one more opportunity to
[2:51:04] review it.
[2:51:05] >> Yeah, at the very least. Yep.
[2:51:07] >> Cuz not knowing what the WICP is going
[2:51:10] to do, it might be good for us to wait
[2:51:12] till then anyway.
[2:51:12] >> That's right.
[2:51:13] >> It'll be spring time.
[2:51:15] >> Yeah, and yep. Yeah, I Yeah.
[2:51:17] >> But we would definitely come back to you
[2:51:19] if you wanted to do it that way.
[2:51:20] >> And we got to see what Rocky Mountain
[2:51:21] ATV is going to do in Patterson. So
[2:51:23] those are the big big three right there.
[2:51:26] If we knew what those three were doing,
[2:51:27] that pretty well covers most of what's
[2:51:29] left.
[2:51:30] >> This will cover it cover till the end of
[2:51:32] June of next year.
[2:51:33] >> Right.
[2:51:34] >> So
[2:51:36] Does that that make sense?
[2:51:38] Okay.
[2:51:39] Any further discussion?
[2:51:41] Then I would entertain a motion
[2:51:43] >> hearing first.
[2:51:44] >> Or
[2:51:44] Excuse me?
[2:51:45] >> You need to have a public hearing first.
[2:51:47] >> Oh.
[2:51:48] Keep waiting for Ross to get up.
[2:51:51] Motion to open a public hearing as a
[2:51:53] re-de- redevelopment agency
[2:51:56] uh concerning
[2:51:58] uh the RDA development money.
[2:52:01] >> So moved.
[2:52:01] >> Second.
[2:52:03] >> Council member Moss.
[2:52:05] Director. Director Moss. Director
[2:52:07] Probstgaard. Yes. Director Rowley.
[2:52:09] >> Yes.
[2:52:10] >> Director Hewlett.
[2:52:11] >> Yes.
[2:52:11] >> And Director Smith.
[2:52:12] >> Yes.
[2:52:13] >> Public hearing is open.
[2:52:16] You can see the numbers that are before
[2:52:17] us
[2:52:18] uh with what's proposing.
[2:52:21] Uh the the one
[2:52:23] critical one is
[2:52:25] American Way
[2:52:26] uh is needing to to have some
[2:52:28] maintenance done on it and
[2:52:30] uh we're we're discussing back and forth
[2:52:32] how we want to
[2:52:34] protect those monies and not just pour
[2:52:36] it down a hole.
[2:52:41] » And that's obviously in the
[2:52:42] improvements.
[2:52:43] Yes.
[2:52:43] >> also some landscaping for $100,000
[2:52:47] that was requested in that budget. So,
[2:52:49] those are the two items that
[2:52:50] >> It's also landscaping for what?
[2:52:52] >> The uh, RDA itself.
[2:52:54] >> Okay.
[2:52:56] It's the entrance way.
[2:52:57] >> ways.
[2:52:58] >> Yeah.
[2:52:59] >> with signs.
[2:52:59] >> I think well, is it the signs?
[2:53:01] >> Signage.
[2:53:02] >> we've been work- we've been working with
[2:53:03] Central Utah like for a conservation
[2:53:06] garden with the different types of
[2:53:08] uh, landscaping.
[2:53:09] >> On both ends of American Way with
[2:53:10] signage.
[2:53:11] >> That is
[2:53:12] >> I think it's just the landscape. I don't
[2:53:13] think the signage is in this.
[2:53:16] >> But I
[2:53:16] >> Just just the landscape?
[2:53:17] >> Yeah, I think we do need to come back
[2:53:19] with signage so at some point.
[2:53:21] >> I was hoping to see some sweet uh,
[2:53:23] signage in in uh,
[2:53:25] in that, but uh, landscaping uh,
[2:53:29] Okay. Yeah, I just wonder if we have a
[2:53:31] lot of lawn there Don already. We going
[2:53:32] to get rid of some of that and do
[2:53:33] something different or what was the
[2:53:35] Okay.
[2:53:36] >> Yeah, we were going to have like a
[2:53:37] conservation garden in conjunction with
[2:53:39] uh, Central Utah Water so that we could
[2:53:41] people could see what conservation could
[2:53:44] do, what types of plants they could
[2:53:45] >> that are
[2:53:46] >> grow and
[2:53:47] >> tolerant for our climate and and drought
[2:53:49] situation.
[2:53:50] >> types.
[2:53:50] >> Mhm.
[2:53:51] >> Okay.
[2:53:52] They they helped us design it. We just
[2:53:53] needed to get some funding to hopefully
[2:53:55] finish it.
[2:53:56] >> And also some improvements to the the
[2:53:58] detention basin.
[2:53:59] >> Yeah, that detention
[2:54:00] >> make it look nicer.
[2:54:01] >> Not seeing anyone from the public uh,
[2:54:04] any online Emily?
[2:54:06] Okay, I would have I'd entertain a
[2:54:08] motion to close the public hearing.
[2:54:10] >> So moved.
[2:54:10] >> Second.
[2:54:11] >> Have a motion and a second. Director
[2:54:14] Smith.
[2:54:14] >> Yes.
[2:54:15] >> Director
[2:54:16] >> Yes.
[2:54:17] >> Voting.
[2:54:17] >> Yes.
[2:54:18] >> Close the public hearing. Director
[2:54:20] >> Moss.
[2:54:21] >> Yes.
[2:54:22] >> Any further discussion council or
[2:54:25] directors?
[2:54:28] I can
[2:54:29] >> I make a motion that uh
[2:54:32] we approve the resolution of the RDA
[2:54:35] fiscal year
[2:54:36] 2026-2027
[2:54:38] budget with the amendment that the 500
[2:54:42] plus thousand that was designated for
[2:54:44] the overlay of American Way come back
[2:54:45] before the directors before funds are
[2:54:48] approved.
[2:54:50] >> Have a motion. Have a second.
[2:54:53] >> Um
[2:54:53] >> Who'd you get, Emily?
[2:54:55] >> Brian.
[2:54:55] okay.
[2:54:57] Council member Smith.
[2:54:58] >> Yes.
[2:54:59] >> Council member Hewlett.
[2:54:59] >> Yes.
[2:55:01] >> Director Smith.
[2:55:03] >> Yes.
[2:55:03] >> Director Hewlett. Yes. Director Rowley.
[2:55:05] >> Yes.
[2:55:06] >> Director Prostgaard. Yes. Director
[2:55:09] Moss.
[2:55:09] >> Yes.
[2:55:10] >> Motion carries.
[2:55:12] I would entertain a motion to adjourn
[2:55:15] from the redevelopment agency.
[2:55:17] >> So moved.
[2:55:18] >> Second.
[2:55:19] >> Have a motion and a second. Director
[2:55:21] Moss.
[2:55:21] >> Yes.
[2:55:22] >> Director Prostgaard. Yes.
[2:55:24] Director Ro- uh Rowley.
[2:55:25] >> Yes.
[2:55:26] >> Director Hewlett.
[2:55:27] >> Yes.
[2:55:28] >> Director Smith.
[2:55:29] >> Yes.
[2:55:30] >> I would entertain a motion for the last
[2:55:32] item.
[2:55:33] >> So moved. A motion to adjourn.
[2:55:35] >> Second.
[2:55:37] >> I just want to say all in favor, but
[2:55:39] >> That's good.
[2:55:40] >> That's fine. We can do
[2:55:41] >> All in favor on this.
[2:55:42] >> Yeah. Aye.
[2:55:43] >> Aye.
[2:55:44] >> Let's go home.
[2:55:44] >> Thank you, Mayor Caldwell. That's a big
[2:55:46] agenda.
[2:55:47] Appreciate it.
[2:55:48] >> I feel like we can stop.