[0:00] It's
[0:02] >> today is uh July the 1st uh uh PAC city
[0:06] council meeting. The time is we'll say
[0:08] about a minute after 6. Uh I'll go ahead
[0:12] and open this meeting with a word of
[0:14] prayer.
[0:18] Father in heaven, as we come to thee at
[0:20] this time, we're so very thankful for
[0:22] the
[0:25] city of PAC and for the atmosphere
[0:27] that's here, for the safety that we
[0:30] enjoy. We're thankful for the precious
[0:33] moisture that we have had and would ask
[0:36] thee to please provide us with more
[0:38] moisture for our needs through the
[0:40] summer. And would ask also, Father, to
[0:43] bless us with more moisture during the
[0:45] winter months ahead that uh we can
[0:48] uh rest somewhat easy as far as our
[0:51] water needs are concerned. Please,
[0:54] Father, help us as citizens and council
[0:56] to be mindful of thee and be mindful of
[1:00] the future of our city.
[1:03] Help us make good decisions for our
[1:05] future. And I say this in the name of
[1:06] Jesus Christ. Amen.
[1:08] >> Amen.
[1:09] >> We'll have Robert Mills lead us in the
[1:12] pledge.
[1:14] >> Please rise and join me in the pledge of
[1:15] allegiance.
[1:17] I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[1:20] United States of America and to the
[1:23] republic for which it stands. One nation
[1:26] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:30] justice for all.
[1:31] >> Thank you, Robert.
[1:35] Okay, ladies and gentlemen, we'll go on
[1:37] to see the consent agenda. The approval
[1:40] of the June 17th, 2026 city council
[1:43] minutes. Number two, approving an
[1:46] interlocal agreement with Utah County
[1:48] for the drug prevention grant and
[1:51] program. Number three, resolution uh
[1:54] approving a contract with MAG for the
[1:57] fiscal year 2027 meals on wheels
[2:00] conjugate meal program
[2:04] and number four victim services report.
[2:07] Council, if there's no uh discussion on
[2:09] these items, I'm ready for a motion.
[2:11] >> Have one quick question. mayor maybe.
[2:14] And this has nothing to do with
[2:15] approving anything, but
[2:17] >> for the meals on wheels, who qualifies
[2:19] that and how do they how does that work?
[2:21] I I have no idea. So,
[2:24] >> I I can answer some of that if you'd
[2:25] like. They have to be homebound pretty
[2:27] much. It doesn't matter what age they
[2:30] are, but they have to be homebound and
[2:32] can't can't get out to to take care of
[2:34] themselves and and then have the ability
[2:37] to function within the home. Uh but uh
[2:41] they they're not they're homebound
[2:43] pretty much.
[2:43] >> So who finds them?
[2:47] >> Uh family members can call in and uh and
[2:49] reference them. Uh I have found some and
[2:52] referenced them as well. Um and they
[2:55] have uh they not only depend on our
[2:57] funding, but they're they're uh going it
[2:59] sounds like they'll be part of the
[3:01] giving tree this year. And then they
[3:03] were able to establish a nonprofit to be
[3:05] able to accept some of that funding as
[3:07] well. They they currently have uh over
[3:10] 200 people that are on a waiting list
[3:13] that cannot get in there because they
[3:14] don't have the funding. And so the the
[3:16] giving tree is going going to help uh
[3:19] fund much of that.
[3:20] >> So we have people in PAC that can't get
[3:23] it even though we're contributing.
[3:24] There's not enough money to do.
[3:26] >> Yeah. It's not just a PAC problem. It's
[3:29] countywide and Okay.
[3:30] >> And but they they and during CO there
[3:33] was much more of a need than there is
[3:36] now. and it was funded with with CO
[3:38] money, but that money is no longer there
[3:40] and so it's a it's a struggle to get it
[3:42] back to the level they need.
[3:44] >> Thank you, Mayor.
[3:46] >> Anything to add, Robert and Dave?
[3:48] >> Oh, I I would just add that I I think
[3:51] that there's also a constant need for
[3:52] volunteers to help deliver those meals.
[3:55] Um, so if you have any interest, contact
[3:57] MAG. And just so where I go out at least
[4:00] once a year with them and visit with
[4:02] there's about eight to 10 people here in
[4:04] PAC that are benefiting from that. Okay.
[4:08] Any other questions, comments?
[4:11] >> Okay, I'm ready for a motion.
[4:13] >> Mayor, I motion that we approve the
[4:15] consent agenda.
[4:17] >> A second.
[4:18] >> Okay, we have a motion been seconded.
[4:20] Requires a roll call vote starting with
[4:24] council uh Smith.
[4:27] >> Yes. Council Hullet.
[4:29] >> Yes.
[4:29] >> Council Rolley.
[4:32] >> Roelly. Yes.
[4:33] >> And didn't I say Rolley? And then I'll
[4:35] find I thought just when I said that
[4:37] Ann, are you there?
[4:38] >> Yes, I am.
[4:40] >> Okay. Your vote.
[4:41] >> Yes.
[4:42] >> Thank you. Motion carries.
[4:45] Okay. Going to D petitions of the month.
[4:47] I guess I get to jump in there because
[4:50] uh council provost guard is not able to
[4:54] attend here either on uh in person or on
[4:57] uh a zoom. So I will go to that.
[5:12] We got a picture up. Okay. if uh we
[5:16] could have Brady Theobal and his wife
[5:19] come on up.
[5:21] Just so that just by way of explanation,
[5:24] the beautifification committee is very
[5:26] active. Bob is chairing that committee
[5:29] and we really want to one step at a time
[5:32] beautify our city and you've been that
[5:36] uh lucky uh home this time and it's very
[5:40] welld deserved. So, thank you very very
[5:43] much. And uh along with this is a a gift
[5:49] card for Molson's Garden Shop for $100.
[5:52] And uh we appreciate the effort that
[5:55] you've obviously went to with your home
[5:57] and uh making us proud of not only your
[6:00] home but our community. Would you like
[6:02] to say anything?
[6:04] Brady, come on back. Make your wife do
[6:06] it. Tell us a little bit about your
[6:08] house.
[6:09] >> No, this is actually kind of fun. We
[6:11] spent a lot of time together and kind of
[6:14] dreaming this up and with our kids and
[6:16] future grandkids. So, uh, if anything,
[6:20] yards do kind of group you together as,
[6:23] uh, marriage and it's been awesome.
[6:26] >> Good. Congratulations.
[7:09] Okay, we do one each each month. And
[7:13] this this one's entitled most improve
[7:15] improved yard of the month. It does not
[7:17] mean it was a bad yard, [laughter]
[7:20] but it uh is a very very nice yard. And
[7:23] again, it's part of our effort as the
[7:25] beautifification committee to reward
[7:27] people that are taking an interest in
[7:29] their homes and uh being proud of them
[7:32] and being proud of part part of Pacin
[7:34] City. You can see that home is very very
[7:37] nice and uh I've rolled by it a number
[7:40] of times. So with Tyson and Brienne
[7:42] Sparrow, come on up.
[7:53] As I said before, I appreciate you being
[7:55] here.
[7:56] >> Congratulations.
[7:59] >> Stay here.
[8:03] » Why don't you come up and tell us a
[8:04] little bit about your home?
[8:07] [laughter]
[8:10] Um we moved into that area um two years
[8:13] ago and there was a little bit of grass
[8:15] when we moved in and then the uh planter
[8:18] boxes but the rest was weeds. So
[8:20] >> that's why it's the most improved house.
[8:23] [laughter]
[8:24] >> And then uh I have the same sentiment
[8:26] that um Brady talked about. We have
[8:28] grandkids, two grandkids, and we do all
[8:31] those projects together as a family and
[8:33] it's it's wonderful.
[8:35] >> Teresa, raise your hand and show
[8:37] everybody. Teresa Carter's part of this
[8:39] beautifification committee. Should have
[8:40] had her come up. So,
[8:42] >> no.
[8:43] >> Okay, great. Let's have a picture.
[8:45] >> Now's the time.
[9:09] Thank you.
[9:13] » Thank you.
[9:24] Lacy, could you grab me my glasses I
[9:27] laid on that
[9:28] >> on that podium?
[9:29] >> I'm lost without them.
[9:32] >> They're just readers.
[9:39] » Okay, we'll go ahead and uh go to number
[9:43] two, public form. Anyone can speak to us
[9:45] on a subject that's not on the the
[9:47] agenda. And if you'd like to do that,
[9:50] please come up to the the mic and let us
[9:53] know who you are.
[9:55] Let us know your concerns.
[10:00] Not seeing anyone in the congregation to
[10:03] come up. Is there anybody online or are
[10:06] Okay. Sorry, I'm a little bit quick on
[10:09] the update. Come on up.
[10:10] >> You betcha.
[10:15] You're good.
[10:17] just let us uh give us your name and
[10:19] we'll be happy.
[10:22] >> My name is Marilyn Mikum and I live in
[10:25] Rosewood Estates which is across the
[10:28] street from the hospital. We're very
[10:30] concerned. We live in a 55 plus
[10:32] community and uh we would like to
[10:36] respectfully request that our city
[10:38] streets get some attention. They look
[10:41] terrible.
[10:42] >> Okay. Uh I myself went out and dug some
[10:45] weeds not too long ago.
[10:48] It was horrible.
[10:50] The streets cracked and we have weeds
[10:53] that are some of them 12 in high growing
[10:55] in the cracks.
[10:57] We would like to have a crack sealed in
[10:59] at the best.
[11:01] Another issue is the heavy truck traffic
[11:03] that is related to the current
[11:05] construction at the property owned by
[11:07] Scott Phillips. There are three good
[11:11] access paved roads into his property,
[11:14] but they are blocked off to public
[11:16] traffic. There's one paved street that
[11:20] gives closer access to his property, but
[11:22] is piled with rock with another further
[11:25] north with both entrances accessed off
[11:28] at 10,00 East. A third one is on 330
[11:32] North off 1140 east. We wonder what
[11:36] gives him the right to block off the
[11:39] public streets that are marked, road
[11:41] work closed. That has been there for a
[11:44] long time.
[11:46] However, he uses our street to bring his
[11:48] double trailer trucks, big trucks,
[11:51] cement trucks, uh, belly dumps. This
[11:55] morning, I seen a big long trailer with
[11:58] heavy cement things of some kind, maybe
[12:02] for a maybe for more closures. Uh
[12:06] anyway, he he has built a
[12:11] um
[12:13] gravel road cleared clear north at the
[12:17] end of our condos that the trucks are
[12:19] able to go in there and uh anyway, we
[12:23] we'd really appreciate your
[12:24] consideration of these two issues.
[12:27] >> You bet. Well, you're you're on record
[12:29] now.
[12:29] >> Okay.
[12:30] >> You're on record now. We'll we'll follow
[12:32] that up.
[12:32] >> Thank you so much.
[12:42] Okay. Anyone else uh wanting to address
[12:46] us?
[12:48] Come on up, April.
[12:51] You just barely made it, didn't you?
[12:53] [laughter]
[12:54] >> Just finished teaching dance.
[12:57] >> Okay. I'm April Jones.
[13:00] Did I need anything else? I missed that
[13:02] whole announcement part. Um, PAC
[13:04] resident and I am a member of the PAC
[13:07] Scottish Festival Committee. So, I am
[13:09] here tonight to invite each of you to
[13:11] this year's Scottish Festival. It will
[13:14] be happening next Friday, Saturday.
[13:17] Everything official starts about 5:00
[13:20] p.m. next Friday. We have our
[13:22] entertainment on the um band stand. We
[13:26] have our pipe solo competitions and our
[13:29] drum solo competitions happening in the
[13:31] evening. And then we will have a special
[13:35] pipe evening. It's just solo pipers, but we'll be
[13:41] doing it in the corner. It's kind of a
[13:43] fun thing to attend if you enjoy just
[13:44] some folk pipe music. And that will be
[13:48] as soon as the pipe band competitions,
[13:50] the solo competitions are over over. And
[13:52] that's on Friday evening. And then on
[13:55] Saturday, we will start bright and early
[13:58] and we want to invite you to come be in
[14:00] our parade. So, the parade will begin at
[14:04] the new era building. We would love for
[14:07] each of you to come and march if you
[14:09] want. We um have t-shirts available for
[14:12] you at the information booth. If you
[14:14] would like one, just let them know. Your
[14:16] name will be there and they'll just get
[14:18] you the size that you would like for
[14:20] that. And then um once again, you want
[14:24] to get down to the new era building. We
[14:26] do have a few kilts. If you really want
[14:28] to be traditional and wear a kilt,
[14:31] you're welcome to. We check those out at
[14:33] the information booth. If you
[14:34] >> guys wear a kilt every year
[14:36] >> with cowboy boots.
[14:38] >> If you want to wear a kilt with cowboy
[14:40] boots, we encourage other people to, but
[14:43] it actually might infringe on the
[14:44] mayor's reputation. He's we we are known
[14:49] for that in the Scottish world. And so,
[14:52] um, the parade will begin at the new era
[14:53] building and
[14:56] gracious, you need to be there before
[14:59] 9:30. Um,
[15:01] >> and April, just to clarify, this is the
[15:02] 10th and 11th.
[15:04] >> This is the 10th and 11th of July. So,
[15:06] this weekend we have 4th of July and
[15:08] next weekend we're rolling with our
[15:10] Scottish festival.
[15:13] So, and then, um, games will begin.
[15:15] We'll have our official opening
[15:17] ceremonies over at Park View. We would
[15:19] love you to come and be dignitaries.
[15:21] We'll just introduce you. You really
[15:22] don't have to say anything and then you
[15:24] can watch the festivities. You can
[15:26] attend any of the events. We will have
[15:27] dancing in Park View. Dancing actually
[15:30] begins as early as 8:00 a.m. The
[15:33] athletics will begin at 8:00 a.m. and
[15:35] they're on the over by the bath house.
[15:38] And then the band competition doesn't
[15:40] begin until approximately 1 and it's
[15:43] over by the bear cage. live
[15:45] entertainment on the band stand
[15:46] throughout the day and it will wrap up
[15:48] around 56.
[15:50] So, we just want to extend a formal
[15:52] invitation for you to all come if you're
[15:55] not busy. We would love to see you
[15:56] there.
[15:57] >> Thank you, April.
[15:58] >> You're so welcome.
[16:00] >> Scottish Festival.
[16:02] >> Any questions?
[16:04] >> Anything you want to know about?
[16:05] >> We're just glad that that you're here
[16:07] and that we've been able to link up with
[16:09] the Scottish festival itself for years.
[16:11] It was just a standalone Scottish
[16:13] festival. Now we've joined the hands so
[16:15] to speak and it's a official patient
[16:18] city activity. So thank you.
[16:19] >> We are so grateful for the partnership
[16:21] that we have with you. So thank you.
[16:23] >> Thanks April.
[16:24] >> Okay. Thank you.
[16:32] » Okay.
[16:34] Doesn't look like anyone else is is
[16:36] coming up at this time. Is there anybody
[16:38] online? Emily.
[16:40] Okay. We'll go ahead and close the
[16:42] public forum and we'll move on to staff
[16:44] reports. Any of the staff like to
[16:47] address us.
[16:50] Thank you, Chief.
[16:56] I just want to let you know we're having
[16:57] National Night Out on August 4th and
[16:59] then we're going to change it to
[17:00] Memorial Park this year so we have some
[17:02] shade and a little more room to to
[17:04] stretch out there. So, we'd love to have
[17:05] you come if you're able to make it.
[17:08] >> What time?
[17:09] >> From 6:00 till 8. What time?
[17:11] >> 6 Del
[17:14] free hot dogs, Ryan.
[17:19] » Free donated hot dogs. Even [laughter]
[17:28] another chief.
[17:34] Travis is jealous because he's not as
[17:36] fast as us, I guess.
[17:40] Mayor and council is good to be here
[17:41] with you today. Um just let you know a
[17:44] couple things. Um we've had firefighters
[17:46] out on the the fire out in Eureka um
[17:50] last weekend um for three or four days
[17:52] helping out on those fires and structure
[17:54] protection. Um so it's been interesting
[17:57] to help out there and as you know as the
[18:00] new incident command comes in and type
[18:02] three teams it takes a while to get new
[18:04] resources in and so we help till they
[18:06] get there. Um it's been a crazy year
[18:10] with all the dryness and lack of
[18:13] moisture, but it was um good to see the
[18:16] moisture we got because you saw what it
[18:17] did to those fires. Just having the
[18:19] cooler temperatures and the little bit
[18:20] of rain that we got, it makes a big
[18:22] difference. So, we've got our fireworks
[18:25] coming up this weekend, um the 2nd
[18:27] through the 5th. So, we'll have um
[18:30] people out through the city patrolling
[18:32] and making sure that people are doing
[18:34] the correct um fireworks um because
[18:38] there's always people that love to go
[18:39] buy them in uh Wyoming and they're not a
[18:41] safe and sane fireworks. So, those types
[18:44] do come down with hot embers where the
[18:46] fireworks we buy um locally are safe and
[18:49] sane. So, um they don't come down with
[18:51] hot embers. That makes a huge
[18:52] difference. So, we'll have people out
[18:54] patrolling for that, looking um in those
[18:56] areas, especially the restricted areas
[18:59] um and helping enforce that. So,
[19:01] hopefully we have a quiet weekend with
[19:04] not a lot of issues or problems. Um we
[19:07] we've been out working trying to get a
[19:09] lot of the lots uh through the city um
[19:12] cleaned up with weeds. Um unfortunately
[19:15] we had an incident with one today um
[19:18] where we've asked them to get it done
[19:20] and they wanted a couple more weeks and
[19:21] we told them they'll get it done today
[19:23] or tomorrow and uh they were completely
[19:26] done putting um trash and stuff in their
[19:29] bags and turn around their lawnmower was
[19:30] on fire. Started the lot on fire.
[19:34] Didn't go very far but um anyway um so
[19:37] we've been out trying to get that. So,
[19:39] Fire Marshall Kilmer's been talking to a
[19:41] lot of people and trying to get weeds
[19:42] and stuff cleaned up and mowed to help
[19:44] out with the situation. So, thank you
[19:47] for all your support.
[19:50] >> Could I just tag on to you a little bit?
[19:51] Uh, Chief, uh, you know, we been been
[19:54] able to coordinate with the mayor
[19:56] Jenkins of Eureka and also been able to
[20:00] coordinate with his name's Ben trying to
[20:03] see it here on my phone, Ben Donner.
[20:06] He's the uh the executive director for
[20:09] the Red Cross and for this area in
[20:13] southern Utah. So we we've been in act
[20:16] active trying to make sure that whatever
[20:18] they need we we get to them.
[20:21] >> Yeah. And it's sad to see all that
[20:22] acreage burn. That's a lot of acres.
[20:25] >> Yeah.
[20:25] >> So take a lot of years for it to come
[20:27] back. So Okay. Thanks.
[20:38] » Any other staff?
[20:41] Okay, we'll move on to uh council
[20:43] reports starting with council.
[20:46] Oh, let me let me before I forget, let's
[20:48] start with Ann because she's on she's on
[20:50] the I'll forget her. Ann, would you like
[20:52] to
[20:53] >> Yeah, I can start. Um, first I'd like to
[20:56] thank all the firefighters that have
[20:58] been out helping and um we're so
[21:01] grateful for them and all that they do
[21:02] and and all the knowledge and and
[21:05] abilities they bring to the table and
[21:07] keeping everyone and property safe. Um,
[21:10] I'd also like to thank uh
[21:14] Chief Bishop for meeting with me last
[21:16] week. Um, he gave me a tour of the
[21:18] police station and told me what was
[21:21] working, what what wasn't, what their
[21:23] needs were, and I'd like to have a
[21:26] discussion on what we can do to get that
[21:30] ball rolling. Um,
[21:33] and
[21:35] can't believe the Scottish festival is
[21:37] coming up already. That was I feel like
[21:38] we were just in the parade yesterday.
[21:41] So, I'm so excited for it. It's one of
[21:43] my favorite things. And thanks to all
[21:45] the staff and that's all I've got.
[21:47] Thanks.
[21:48] >> Thank you. And Council Broly.
[21:51] >> Yes. Thank you, Mayor. Yeah, Chief.
[21:52] Thanks for your support and for sending
[21:54] some brush trucks and guys to help with
[21:55] the Eureka fire. Uh that was that was
[21:58] one of the last areas around us that had
[21:59] actual trees on mountains. So, it is
[22:01] heartbreaking to see that burnt by
[22:02] Cherry Creek and by Eureka. Grateful
[22:04] that our neighbors didn't lose any
[22:06] structures that they had a good
[22:07] evacuation and then the wildland
[22:09] firefighters, all the fire department
[22:10] was able to fight off that fire. So,
[22:12] thank you. And obviously as Pac City, we
[22:15] stand with all of those affected by the loss of those wildland firefighters
[22:18] here in the state of Utah that were
[22:20] fighting the fire on the Colorado Utah
[22:22] border. That was a hard day to lose
[22:23] three firefighters in one day. So our
[22:25] hearts and thoughts and prayers go out
[22:27] to those family and to that crew. Um I
[22:30] am so thankful for the planning
[22:32] commission and for Jill and Anders and for all the help that they do with
[22:35] the developmental services. I am
[22:38] grateful for all the the residents that
[22:40] take time to come out and voice concerns
[22:42] as well. Well, and I'm just I'm really
[22:43] proud of the planning commission in the
[22:45] last few meetings on how they've they've
[22:46] handled uh things and how they've uh uh
[22:49] they've answered questions and tried to
[22:51] adjust their decisions according to
[22:53] their residents and I'm thankful for
[22:55] them.
[22:57] I uh I'm so grateful for this this time
[23:00] of year. I was uh I was doing some
[23:04] reading
[23:05] and I I'd never I'd never found this out
[23:08] in regards to the the Declaration of
[23:09] Independence. In the original draft of
[23:13] the Declaration of Independence that
[23:14] Thomas Jefferson drafted, he used some
[23:17] words that uh that I'd never read before
[23:19] because he didn't end up using them and
[23:20] got changed.
[23:22] But uh he said when in the course of
[23:24] human events it becomes necessary for a
[23:26] people to advance from that
[23:28] subordination in which they have
[23:30] hitherto remained and to assume among
[23:32] the powers of earth the equal and ind
[23:34] independent station to which the laws of
[23:36] nature and nature's god entitle them. A
[23:39] decent respect to the opinions of
[23:41] mankind requires that all should declare
[23:44] the causes which impel them to change.
[23:46] And these are the words he he changed in
[23:48] the declaration. But the original draft
[23:49] says this. We hold these truths to be
[23:53] sacred and undeniable.
[23:56] Obviously, he changes them to we hold
[23:58] these truths to be self-evident. But
[24:00] that idea that we hold these truths to
[24:02] be sacred and undeniable. I love the
[24:05] United States of America. I truly
[24:07] believe it is the best country upon the
[24:09] whole entire earth and that we must
[24:12] stand as a beacon of hope and truth and
[24:14] democracy for the whole world to see.
[24:16] And that takes all of us playing that
[24:18] little small part. and in the words of
[24:20] Thomas Jefferson that we hold these
[24:21] truths to be sacred and undeniable. I
[24:24] hope that we don't let this this country
[24:26] or its founding or the blood that was
[24:28] spilled to get us here become common
[24:30] place. I hope we hold them sacred. I
[24:33] hope we hold our our oath sacred that we
[24:35] each took uh when we were elected and
[24:37] all of us uh that we do to hold up the Constitution.
[24:42] And I find it so interesting that 50
[24:44] years after the signing of the
[24:46] Declaration of Independence, both John
[24:49] Adams and Thomas Jefferson died on the
[24:51] same day, July 4th.
[24:54] And uh those those two men were uh were
[24:57] friends and and rivals and they both
[25:00] died at the age of they both died on
[25:03] July 4th, 1826, 50 years after signing
[25:07] the Declaration of Independence, dying
[25:09] on the same day. So, I think that's a
[25:10] pretty pretty interesting coincidence.
[25:13] But, uh, this this country is going to
[25:15] take all of us to continue to move on
[25:17] another 250 years. And I know we're up
[25:19] to the task. Uh, President Ronald Reagan
[25:22] said that if someone's agreeing with me
[25:24] about 60 or 70% of the time, I'd call
[25:26] them a friend. And if someone agrees
[25:28] with me 100% of the time, they're not a
[25:30] friend. They're just a yes man. And so
[25:32] I'm grateful that we can sit up here and
[25:34] have disagreements and know that we
[25:36] agree 60 70% of the time, but we don't
[25:39] always agree. And that's a good thing.
[25:40] We're here representing uh different
[25:42] ways of life, different upbringings, and
[25:45] different uh and different points of
[25:47] view. So that's why we're all here as
[25:48] elected officials. And this this form of
[25:50] government does work. It's the best one
[25:52] out there. And I'm grateful and proud to
[25:54] be part of it. And uh happy Independence
[25:58] Day to everyone this weekend. Thank you.
[26:01] Ryan. Council Hulet.
[26:02] >> Yeah, I just got a couple quick things
[26:04] here. Um, uh, this Friday night at
[26:06] downtown from 6:00 to 8:00, there's
[26:09] event downtown. And then also everybody,
[26:12] I just hope you have a great Fourth of
[26:14] July. [clears throat] Be safe.
[26:17] >> Lacy,
[26:19] >> um, I'm gonna say ditto to everything
[26:22] Ryan said. I'm super excited every year
[26:24] for America's birthday, but just a
[26:27] little bit extra special. And I even got
[26:30] the the special plates, which if anyone
[26:33] hasn't seen them, they're pretty sharp
[26:35] and they don't cost any extra. They're
[26:37] not like a special plate, but they're
[26:39] only good. You can only get them for one
[26:40] year, the license plates on your car.
[26:43] They look really good. So, and it
[26:45] celebrates America's 250th. But, um, I
[26:49] also want to say thanks to all the
[26:51] firefighters and first responders,
[26:53] everyone that was involved in the all of
[26:55] the fires that are going on in our
[26:57] state. Um, my niece was evacuated twice
[26:59] in Eureka. her her shed was scorched a
[27:03] little and so it it was a little close
[27:05] to home and um I too live in obviously a
[27:10] high area and so this finally scared me
[27:13] enough that I went on and bought um fire
[27:17] boxes for every single one of my kids to
[27:19] put their special memorable things in
[27:21] and they're just ready to go just in
[27:23] case they're in a spot that if we that
[27:25] were to happen you just there's certain
[27:27] things that are not um replaceable. So
[27:30] if anyone else that might spark
[27:33] something. But the last thing I have is
[27:36] I know we've talked about engaging
[27:40] residents and ed like giving more
[27:43] information on things. Um so I'd really
[27:47] like to see where we are on stuff like
[27:49] that. My other thing is our local
[27:52] neighbors are kicking our trash on
[27:55] engagement on social media and I think
[27:58] it is helping their city a lot. Um I
[28:02] know that Santa Quinn's huge on it right
[28:04] now. Salem, Spanish Fork, they're just
[28:07] engaging online where people are. And I
[28:10] think it would be great if we can all
[28:12] kind of come together and maybe think of
[28:14] ideas to
[28:16] that could be our easy way to get things
[28:18] out there. I watch their videos all the
[28:21] time. Um anyway, it's just something
[28:24] that I mean that's how people
[28:27] find out a lot of information. They like
[28:29] quick snippets. Um, anyone that is on
[28:34] Facebook around here and part of a group
[28:36] that's not affiliated with the city, but
[28:39] it has the name in it knows that there's
[28:41] a lot of negiveness in that group a lot.
[28:45] And I put a small little post out the
[28:48] other day just explaining
[28:50] the annexation process so that people
[28:53] understood it. I don't think I've ever
[28:55] seen this in the history of this group.
[28:57] There wasn't one mean comment. There
[28:59] wasn't one dislike on the post. There
[29:01] was 118 loves or likes. Every comment
[29:05] was positive. So, I think people are
[29:08] looking for that. So, just I mean I'm
[29:11] happy to help. I really am. But
[29:13] obviously I'm not the I can't just throw
[29:16] whatever out. But I'm I don't even like
[29:19] to be in front of a camera, but I'm
[29:20] happy to do what I need to do to like
[29:22] really get out there. And I'm looking
[29:25] right at you, Robert, but it's everyone.
[29:28] Like I just I hope that we can come
[29:30] together and think of something. So
[29:31] >> did I'm trying to remember did we did we
[29:33] budget for a a public relations like a
[29:36] part-time position or you still wearing
[29:37] those hats, Robert?
[29:38] >> We we did budget for that position but
[29:40] like all of them uh that is a mid-year
[29:44] position. So if if we have direction to
[29:47] do something different then we can we
[29:49] can have that discussion. But that was very important that that be a
[29:54] mid-year position. But in the meantime,
[29:57] uh I don't know if you've been noticing,
[29:59] but we have been posting more uh we we
[30:02] have the same thoughts that um being
[30:05] able to connect with our community is
[30:07] really really important and meet them
[30:09] where they are. Uh one of the ways that we've been working on that, Melanie
[30:13] and I have been meeting Mondays and
[30:15] Thursdays to make sure that something
[30:16] goes out so we can be con more
[30:18] consistent in that. um to help us with
[30:22] that. We would just encourage you to
[30:24] make sure that you're posting on your
[30:25] own pages as well. Um which you have
[30:28] been doing and and we we would seriously
[30:31] encourage that. Uh and then you can
[30:34] always tag Pacin City as well.
[30:36] >> Thanks for doing that.
[30:38] >> I just know videos too are just
[30:40] >> I know that it takes more effort
[30:42] >> but people these days their attention
[30:44] span just they want that 30 second thing
[30:47] versus reading. You heard it. You heard
[30:50] it here first. Just say yes when we ask
[30:51] you.
[30:52] >> Okay.
[30:54] >> We're trying to build up the attention
[30:56] spans by making them read. Okay.
[30:58] [laughter]
[30:59] >> Thank you. [clears throat]
[31:01] >> I'll say Okay. I'll say one last thing
[31:04] about the fires. We have some and I I
[31:06] just want to these these companies are
[31:08] not looking for any notoriety, but we do
[31:11] have some companies that have stepped up
[31:14] and have helped the Eureka community
[31:17] substantially. and the and the
[31:19] firefighters. I just want to make sure
[31:20] that everybody knows that we have a good
[31:22] business community and they're very
[31:23] aware of what's going on around. So,
[31:26] thanks to those businesses.
[31:29] Okay,
[31:31] moving on to E action items. Number one,
[31:35] a resolution approving to approving a
[31:37] reimbursement agreement for the
[31:39] construction of upsized public water and
[31:41] pressurize irrigation improvements
[31:43] between PAC city and Patterson Homes
[31:45] LLC. Brandon and Travis, you going to
[31:48] educate us?
[31:52] >> Mayor, council, so this was uh up there
[31:54] at the south end where Patterson just
[31:56] did that latest phase kind of where 1900
[31:59] South will meet Ma where Main Street
[32:01] meet. So we have in our master plans a
[32:05] potential site to put a new water tank
[32:08] and a PI pond up above the canal right
[32:10] there. So I had them upsize the line. So
[32:12] this is to reimburse them for that
[32:14] upsizing that we're required to by state
[32:16] law. So there that project's already in
[32:19] our impact fees that just went into
[32:21] effect today. So this is just to
[32:23] formalize the agreement so we can
[32:25] reimburse them. So
[32:26] >> Travis, thanks for being forward
[32:27] thinking on this and putting
[32:29] >> bigger things than than what we
[32:31] originally planned. Thank you.
[32:32] >> That's that's great.
[32:33] >> Good use of the impact fees.
[32:36] >> So I got a quick question for you. So it
[32:38] comes from impact fees. Are there fees
[32:41] that are already collected or are there
[32:42] going to be future ones? Because it says
[32:44] we only pay them back through impact
[32:45] fees. So, when do they get paid back? I
[32:48] guess
[32:48] >> they'll get paid back in October. So,
[32:51] uh Dave and I have met with our
[32:53] consultant that we had do our impact
[32:54] fees. And how we want to proceed going
[32:57] forward is
[32:59] in the past, we've we've saved impact
[33:01] fees and we just spend what we need to.
[33:02] But Spanish Fork, they spend every year
[33:06] everything they collect. So, you never
[33:07] have to worry about the six-year window.
[33:10] and you prioritize how you spend those
[33:12] impact fees based on the priority of the
[33:14] project. So based on how much the
[33:16] project costs,
[33:18] you know, if it's a city project,
[33:19] different things, but you you put it in
[33:21] this spreadsheet and it ranks it for you
[33:23] based on how much money you brought in.
[33:25] So that's kind of how we want to go
[33:26] forward. But yeah, for the these
[33:28] projects, obviously it's money we
[33:30] already have. But in the future, yeah,
[33:32] like if we only say brought in $100,000,
[33:35] but you had $400,000 worth of impact fee
[33:37] cost, then you'd only still spend the
[33:40] $100,000 and it may take however many
[33:42] years to reimburse those people that are
[33:44] eligible. But that's kind of how we plan
[33:46] on going forward. So,
[33:47] >> thank you.
[33:49] >> Okay, any questions, discussions, any
[33:52] further? Okay. If if uh
[33:57] there aren't any, I'm ready for a
[34:00] motion.
[34:01] >> Mayor, I motion that we approve the
[34:02] reimbursement agreement for the
[34:04] construction of upsized public water and
[34:05] pressurized irrigation improvements
[34:07] between Pacin City and Patterson Homes
[34:09] LLC.
[34:10] >> I'll second.
[34:11] >> Okay, we have a motion been seconded.
[34:13] Roll call vote starting right. Well,
[34:15] starting with Ann Moss.
[34:17] >> Yes.
[34:18] >> Uh Council Roelly,
[34:19] >> yes. Councel Helet.
[34:21] >> Yes.
[34:22] >> And Council Smith,
[34:23] >> yes.
[34:24] >> Okay. Wonderful. That motion carries
[34:27] unanimously. Number two, resolution
[34:29] approving the fifth amendment to lease
[34:34] to the lease agreement between PA City
[34:36] Municipal Corporation and JKLM
[34:39] Investment LC. Dave,
[34:42] >> mayor, council, we [clears throat] we've
[34:44] had a an agreement on the gravel pit for
[34:47] many years, and that's JKLM. It's it's
[34:50] Kenny Sain, but that was their LLC for
[34:53] all these years. They have you, you've
[34:55] probably all heard, they have um they
[34:58] have sold and merged in with granite,
[35:02] but Kenny Sank Construction
[35:05] is is the one that's still going to be
[35:08] handling the the gravel pit. uh under
[35:10] our contract it said it said that that
[35:14] they could um they could assign that
[35:17] without coming back to council but it
[35:19] didn't have it it said Kenny
[35:22] Construction but there was Kenny
[35:24] Construction Incorporated Kenny
[35:25] Construction LLC
[35:28] and in talking with Brandon we thought
[35:29] it'd be best just to have the council
[35:31] approved that it's it's it's it's
[35:33] something that we need to approve it's
[35:35] uh it's something that they have a right
[35:37] to do and and uh we're still working
[35:41] with them same under the same contract
[35:42] and this Kenny Sain construction LLC
[35:45] would would be responsible for all the
[35:48] contents of that agreement as well. They
[35:50] would assume all those uh
[35:52] responsibilities of that agreement. So
[35:54] that's what we brought forward to you to have this uh
[36:00] fifth amendment to the lease agreement
[36:02] >> and it's been a it's been a real good uh situation for us and for them both.
[36:06] So it's beneficial.
[36:08] >> [snorts]
[36:08] >> So Dave, the the assumption of this
[36:11] agreement to this new company did not
[36:13] change any of the terms of the
[36:15] agreement.
[36:15] >> No.
[36:16] >> Okay.
[36:16] >> Terms are the same and they they are
[36:18] responsible and Brandon was really good
[36:20] in in acknowledging that success or
[36:23] liability. They take on all the
[36:24] liability that the agreement has.
[36:26] >> Okay. Very good.
[36:28] >> Those circumstances I I think would be a
[36:30] great thing to go ahead and ratify.
[36:33] >> So Dave, I got a quick question for you.
[36:35] just um sometime in the in the future if
[36:38] you could have somebody just look and
[36:39] see how much we're um we're still in the
[36:42] contract for playing for the way station
[36:44] and the ball fields and see how much he
[36:46] has left um until he starts actually
[36:49] paying us.
[36:50] >> Yeah, we get we get a we get a uh update
[36:53] every month. So, we can I can send that
[36:54] out to you.
[36:55] >> Okay, that'd be great.
[36:56] >> Thank you.
[36:56] >> I think we got one just recently and
[36:58] I'll I can forward that to everybody.
[37:00] >> Okay, thank you.
[37:02] So they just they were the JKL and they
[37:06] just merged kind of together because
[37:08] someone else bought the his other stuff
[37:11] is can that just even I read this and I
[37:14] was like okay but then now that kind of
[37:15] confused me a little
[37:16] >> but there's a sales agreement um
[37:18] >> okay
[37:19] >> but the to Granite Construction who's
[37:22] pretty large construction company
[37:24] >> so Granite owns Kenny Singh yes now
[37:26] >> yes
[37:27] >> and so is the agreement I guess
[37:29] technically since they own Kenny Sing
[37:31] it's with Granite
[37:33] Kenny Singh and Pac is that
[37:35] >> the [clears throat] agreement for this
[37:37] uh Granite's a much larger company but
[37:40] for this this gravel pit agreement uh
[37:44] they have Kenny Sang Construction LC
[37:47] that's still going to run this
[37:48] >> it's going to be a subsidiary of of
[37:50] granite
[37:50] >> of granite
[37:52] >> okay
[37:52] >> so the assignment goes to Kenny Sang
[37:55] Construction LC
[37:57] >> so where it says it's without further
[37:58] approvals do they have to come They
[38:00] don't have to come to us to change it to
[38:02] anyone going forward or only just to the
[38:05] Kenny Sing construction
[38:07] >> for this. They wouldn't if they if they
[38:08] have another they would come back and
[38:10] when the when the contract comes up for
[38:12] renewal that would of course have to
[38:14] come back to the council if we renew
[38:15] that with them.
[38:16] >> Okay.
[38:19] Any other discussion, questions?
[38:24] Okay. I'm ready for a motion. If that's
[38:26] the case,
[38:29] >> I'll make a motion that we approve the
[38:31] fifth amendment to the lease agreement
[38:32] between PAC city municipality
[38:34] corporation and JKLM and Investment LLC.
[38:39] >> I'll second. Okay, we have a motion been
[38:42] seconded.
[38:43] Roll call v starting with council Smith.
[38:47] >> Yes.
[38:48] >> Council,
[38:48] >> yes.
[38:49] >> Council Rolley,
[38:50] >> yes.
[38:50] >> Council Moss,
[38:51] >> yes.
[38:52] >> Didn't forget you. Good. Thank you.
[38:54] Okay, moving on to number three.
[38:57] Resolution approving an agreement
[38:58] authorizing the operation of a nurse in
[39:01] care facility within PAC city pursuant
[39:04] to the Utah State code 10-8-90.
[39:08] Okay, Brandon,
[39:10] >> buckle up. This one's hard to follow.
[39:13] When I first was approached by it, it
[39:15] took me many, many times to read through
[39:17] the code and understand what's going on.
[39:21] So,
[39:23] uh, background, Rocky Mountain Care has
[39:25] operated the Maple Skilled Nursing
[39:28] Facility in PAC for many years.
[39:30] Historically, the stateisssued
[39:32] healthcare facility license for Maple
[39:35] was held by an entity called Canyons
[39:37] Canyon Healthcare, a special service
[39:40] district. But effective today, Canyon
[39:42] will no longer serve as the licensed
[39:44] operator. So, the new licensed operator
[39:47] will be Beaver Valley Hospital, a
[39:49] municipal hospital owned by Beaver City.
[39:52] So, Rocky Mountain Care will continue to
[39:54] manage and operate the facility on a
[39:56] day-to-day basis here in PAC. However,
[39:59] this is all about uh access to uh upper
[40:03] pay upper tier limit Medicare Medicaid
[40:08] dollars. So, um, in order for the,
[40:14] uh, Rocky Mountain Care to qualify for
[40:17] that, they have to have a contract with
[40:18] the city. So, uh, each city can have the
[40:22] one license to for a skilled nursing
[40:25] facility to have access to those
[40:26] dollars. Where PAC city doesn't have,
[40:29] uh, a city-owned municipal hospital,
[40:32] they're asking for that that license to
[40:34] have access to th to those dollars. So,
[40:37] under state code 10-8-90,
[40:42] um, a municipal hospital that owns and
[40:44] operates a nursing care facility and
[40:46] uses an intergovern intergovernmental
[40:49] transfer under the Medicaid UPL, the
[40:52] upper payment limit program, may not
[40:54] operate a nursing care facility in
[40:55] another city without entering an
[40:58] agreement with that city. So, the
[41:00] requirement applies here in PAC. Because
[41:02] Beaver Valley Hospital is a municipal
[41:04] hospital, it will hold the state license
[41:06] for Maple. It participates in the UPL
[41:10] IGT Medicaid financing program and the
[41:12] facilities located within Pacin City. Um
[41:18] by
[41:19] in this agreement
[41:21] um we made it so that the city has no
[41:25] liability, isn't responsible for
[41:27] anything, and we can terminate at any
[41:29] time. So anytime in the future if PAC
[41:31] does um get does create a municipal
[41:35] hospital and wants to participate in
[41:37] skilled nursing, we can terminate that
[41:39] agreement at any time and uh use that
[41:43] our own license.
[41:44] >> So we can only have one of these
[41:45] licenses out total for the whole city.
[41:48] >> For the whole city. Yeah.
[41:48] >> And um sorry our contract does it have
[41:51] an escape clause or
[41:52] >> it does terminate for any reason at any
[41:54] time.
[41:55] >> Okay. on both ends
[41:58] >> for both both parties or just our
[42:00] parties.
[42:00] >> PAC can at any time they can with yeah
[42:03] with with some notice
[42:05] >> and so um the
[42:09] there's no fiscal impact to PAC because
[42:11] we don't have to provide any funding
[42:13] staffing or resources.
[42:15] Uh but it allows uh Maple to
[42:19] >> to access all those
[42:20] >> access those higher tier dollars for
[42:22] staffing for medical um treatment for um
[42:27] new new technology.
[42:30] Um I called uh Kevin Johnson the
[42:33] hospital Mountain View and just to talk
[42:37] to him about it. He's the one that kind
[42:38] of oriented me with everything. and uh
[42:40] they they not they're not interested in
[42:42] it because for them skilled nursing is a
[42:45] losing proposition. Um they don't make
[42:48] anything off of it. And so for someone
[42:49] to actually make some money on it and
[42:51] have the facility here in PAC, he was
[42:53] all for it.
[42:54] >> Okay, that was going to be my one
[42:55] concern and next question. So we're not
[42:57] impeding or hurting Mountain View in any
[42:59] way by this because obviously we we put
[43:01] so much
[43:02] >> they don't want to be in that business.
[43:03] And so the the positive for PAC is that
[43:06] we have a facility in PAC. Yes,
[43:09] >> that can uh operate at hopefully at a
[43:13] profit with being able to access this
[43:15] money
[43:16] >> and this doesn't hurt our good
[43:17] partnership with Mountain View. Yeah, we
[43:19] want we want that. We love having them
[43:21] here. So, thank you for checking on that
[43:22] with them.
[43:23] >> Yeah, the benefit is that it provides a
[43:25] service that people need.
[43:27] >> Yep. And so, um under the state code,
[43:30] they have to have an agreement with
[43:31] PACE,
[43:33] uh having our permission basically to
[43:35] use that license. And so, that's the the
[43:37] reason for this agreement. And so the
[43:39] motion would be to allow the mayor to
[43:41] sign on behalf of the city to enter that
[43:43] agreement.
[43:45] >> Okay.
[43:46] >> Any other questions?
[43:48] >> Jason used to be in the hospital
[43:49] business. [laughter]
[43:51] >> We used to be.
[43:52] >> Yeah.
[43:56] » Okay. Any any further questions or
[43:59] comments?
[44:00] Okay. Lacking some. I'm ready for a
[44:02] motion.
[44:04] I motion that we approve the agreement
[44:05] authorizing the operation of a nursing
[44:07] care facility within Pacin City pursuant
[44:10] to Utah State Code Den 10-8-90.
[44:18] » Second.
[44:19] >> Okay, we have a motion been seconded. Um
[44:23] we'll call vote starting with Council
[44:25] Smith.
[44:25] >> Yes.
[44:26] >> Council,
[44:27] >> yes.
[44:27] >> Council Roelly,
[44:28] >> yes.
[44:28] >> Council Moss,
[44:29] >> yes.
[44:30] >> Thank you. Motion carries. Uh going on
[44:33] to uh number four, ordinance uh amending
[44:38] the title six of PAS and city me
[44:40] municipal code by enacting section
[44:42] 6.04.9
[44:45] to 1 190 entitled uh trespass enformment
[44:49] and exclusion authority. You're still up
[44:53] Brandon and the chief.
[44:57] » Chief's making Brandon do it. [laughter]
[45:02] So,
[45:04] >> we [laughter]
[45:06] um this um amendment has come about
[45:10] because we've had um several incidents
[45:13] uh recently where uh different officers
[45:16] have come up and talked to me about if
[45:18] we can get um a uniform codification of
[45:22] the trespass process uh here in PAC PAC
[45:26] city. As property owners, we have the
[45:28] right to exclude people from uh our
[45:31] property for um behavior, for conduct,
[45:34] for different issues. We can trespass
[45:36] them for a period of time because it's a
[45:39] public place. We can't banish them
[45:41] forever, but um recently there was uh
[45:44] vandalism at the pool where someone
[45:46] broke a window and that person, that
[45:48] group of individuals was trespassed.
[45:50] There's been several fights at the skate
[45:52] park where uh police feel like if they
[45:55] can trespass those individuals for a
[45:58] period of time that it will uh keep the violence down at at the skate park.
[46:03] And so with this amendment, what we're
[46:05] doing is codifying a procedure where
[46:08] police are able to um trespass people
[46:11] from public
[46:14] um places here in PAC, be it the pool,
[46:17] the skate park, the ball fields uh for
[46:20] um threatening, violent, illegal conduct
[46:24] for a period of up to one year. Um, as
[46:27] with anything, there has to that with government enforcement, there has
[46:32] to be an appeals process. So, the
[46:33] appeals person would be Chief Bishop
[46:35] that they could come in and talk to him
[46:37] about any mitigating circumstances if he
[46:40] wants to uh modify or resend that
[46:43] trespass notice. Um but it the amendment
[46:47] is to allow uh police that um
[46:50] enforcement technique to have that in
[46:52] their tool belt to help keep other
[46:54] people safe at those facilities. Uh we
[46:57] had the broken window at the pool. We've
[46:59] had incidents at the the skate park and
[47:02] we had a complaint come in um about
[47:04] harassment uh racial harassment at the swimming pool. And so to be able
[47:09] to trespass uh those individuals that
[47:12] are participating in that for a period
[47:14] of time I think would help uh keep the
[47:17] other patrons safe, keep a welcoming
[47:19] environment and um be some
[47:23] accountability.
[47:24] >> It's a great tool that the police need
[47:26] to have. I know it's been frustrating
[47:29] for me as a police officer some of the times and we needed to do
[47:33] that and didn't really have the ability.
[47:35] I know that this the Walmart and
[47:36] different stores like that they can
[47:38] trespass and we enforce that but we've
[47:40] never had that capability in our public
[47:43] facility. So I think that's a great tool
[47:44] about time.
[47:45] >> So is this an amendment to something or
[47:47] is this brand new? Looks like it's brand
[47:49] new.
[47:49] >> This this would be I mean we've always
[47:51] had the ability as a property owner to
[47:53] trespass people. This is just codifying
[47:56] um a procedure and a place to point out
[48:00] in the code
[48:00] >> a uniform approach to everything
[48:02] >> because the the individuals that were
[48:04] trespassed from the pool for breaking
[48:06] the window um their uh parents called in
[48:10] was like well where does it say that
[48:12] they're trespassing like well we under
[48:14] the state code under trespassing as a
[48:16] property we can trespass them but to
[48:18] have something uh to point to I think
[48:20] would be very very helpful to say well
[48:22] it's on our city code here's the process
[48:24] to follow if you want to appeal it and
[48:27] see if the the chief wants to agree with
[48:30] any mitigating circumstances that you
[48:31] present.
[48:31] >> Yeah, we've we've always had that
[48:34] ability to trespass, but how long you
[48:36] know could help the next day they could
[48:37] come or the next hour? The reason we
[48:40] came up with up to a year is because
[48:42] that's um if somebody I mean that's the
[48:45] maximum penalty for a trespass uh
[48:47] normally and we saying up to so if we
[48:51] wanted to do less do 90 days 6 months
[48:55] that we have that ability but we're not
[48:57] overstepping the bounds into banishment
[48:59] which would be unconstitutional.
[49:02] I just want to say thanks to Chief
[49:04] Bishop because last minute I messaged
[49:06] him because I read it and I was like I
[49:09] think this has like this could be
[49:10] unconstitutional and so I wanted to meet
[49:13] with him. He did. He answered everything
[49:16] and after meeting with him. It put any
[49:19] worries to bay and so I just wanted to
[49:23] just really quick just tell him thank
[49:25] you and that I really appreciate that he
[49:28] took the time to do that and explain it
[49:30] also.
[49:32] Okay. Any other comments? Okay. I'm
[49:35] ready for a motion.
[49:39] » I'll make a motion that we approve the
[49:41] ordinance amending the title six of the
[49:43] PAC city municipal code by enacting
[49:45] section 6.04.190
[49:48] entit entitled trespass enforcement and
[49:52] exclusion authority.
[49:54] >> I'll second.
[49:56] >> Okay. You got it, man. [laughter] Okay.
[50:00] we have a motion and second and
[50:01] I'll come to you and for start of the
[50:03] roll call vote.
[50:04] >> Yes.
[50:06] >> Councley,
[50:06] >> yes.
[50:08] >> Smith.
[50:08] >> Yes.
[50:09] >> Thank you. Motion carries. Moving on to
[50:11] number five. Ordinance adopting the PAC
[50:14] city downtown gateway area plan as part
[50:17] of the city's general plan. Anders
[50:45] Okay. Good evening, council members. I'm
[50:48] excited to be here and present this plan
[50:50] to you. Um, so a little bit of
[50:52] background on this. So, the city's been
[50:55] working on this plan. Um things started
[50:57] off with this um in August of 2023 and we're excited to be at this point
[51:03] where we have the the complete plan
[51:05] ready ready to present to you all. Um so
[51:09] some some background um
[51:13] the about a year ago, January of um
[51:16] 2025, there was a joint um planning
[51:19] commission and city council meeting um
[51:21] where the the plan was was presented and
[51:24] we received some comments um on what was
[51:27] presented at that time. Um, and then
[51:29] since then, um, staff have, um, gone
[51:32] through the recording of that meeting
[51:34] and and made sure to, um, take take all
[51:37] those comments and and find ways to
[51:39] implement them into, um, into the plan.
[51:43] And then we've met with each council
[51:44] member individually to better understand
[51:46] what those comments were and make sure
[51:47] we were we were understanding
[51:50] um, everything. and then and then to
[51:52] meet with the the new council members
[51:54] that we have that weren't there at that
[51:55] meeting and make sure to understand
[51:57] their needs and their goals for for this
[51:58] plan. And so we feel confident that
[52:01] we've addressed those needs with with
[52:03] the updates that we've made and um I'm
[52:05] excited to share those with you. Um so with that background um also uh the plan and staff report was was
[52:14] provided in the city council packet. So
[52:16] I've hope you've had a chance to look
[52:17] through that. And the goal with that was
[52:19] really to help kind of direct you to the
[52:21] kind of key elements of the plan and
[52:23] then also what those changes were that
[52:25] were made. So hopefully that was clear.
[52:27] And then for the public as well that staff report and and presentation
[52:31] is available um online with the the
[52:34] council agenda packet and then also with
[52:36] the planning um the the development
[52:39] services department here. Um we're happy
[52:41] to share that with anyone. So, um, so
[52:44] with that and kind of in the interest of
[52:46] time, the goal of this presentation is
[52:48] not so much to focus on the everything
[52:51] in the plan, but kind of have the
[52:53] understanding that you're already
[52:54] familiar with what's there and just
[52:56] really to focus on the changes that were
[52:58] made just in this last year um to the
[53:01] plan. Um, but so I'm going to go through
[53:03] the slides kind of fairly quickly, but
[53:04] if there's anything you want to pause on
[53:06] or dive into deeper, um, I have the
[53:09] staff report up available with the
[53:11] complete plan, so I'm happy to go into
[53:13] anything in more depth. But, um,
[53:16] >> Andrew, one question. So, um, we did not
[53:18] have a specific area plan for this area
[53:21] before. This is brand new for the the
[53:23] gateway area, correct?
[53:24] >> That's correct. Yeah.
[53:25] >> Yeah. And and I think that kind of goes
[53:27] well into um this this first section
[53:30] here where I where I want to kind of
[53:32] just go over briefly the the purpose of
[53:34] an area plan. So we have the PAC city
[53:37] general plan which um does obviously
[53:40] include this area um but it's a citywide
[53:43] plan. It's uh so that was adopted in
[53:45] 2020. We're looking at making some um
[53:48] updates amendments to that this year. Um
[53:52] but the general plan it it focuses on a
[53:55] variety of elements. So those include
[53:57] land use, infrastructure,
[53:58] transportation, parks, recreation,
[54:01] economic development, housing, and then
[54:03] it's it's citywide. And so it it's um
[54:06] it's the citywide vision, goals,
[54:09] policies. Um but then the difference
[54:12] between that and an area plan is an area
[54:14] plan will focus on a specific area. And
[54:16] so as of right now, we don't have
[54:18] something that's tailored to to that
[54:20] area of the city. Um, and so this plan
[54:23] would will provide that.
[54:24] >> And Andrew, this this plan can be can be
[54:26] adjusted as as as needs arise. Right.
[54:30] >> That's correct. Yeah. So So we're
[54:32] proposing that it be adopted as an
[54:34] amendment to the general plan. Um, but
[54:37] there are always opportunities to
[54:38] continue to refine that as needs come
[54:41] up, as new data comes up, as things
[54:44] change. The goal with this plan is it's
[54:46] looking into the future. We hope to be
[54:48] continuing to implement things in this
[54:50] plan, you know, 30 years from now,
[54:53] right? That we're still able to refer to these goals that were identified and see how u we we can do things to
[55:00] continue to contribute to those goals.
[55:02] And so as things change, we'll we'll
[55:04] there will definitely be opportunities
[55:06] to to make amendments to that. And then
[55:09] an important thing to recognize with an
[55:11] area plan and with a general plan is
[55:13] it's identifying goals and direction but
[55:16] it's not giving any kind of entitlement
[55:18] that comes with um the pace and city
[55:21] code and the zoning map. So those kind
[55:24] of work together where the zoning map is
[55:26] identifying um zones for each each
[55:29] property and then um those zones there's
[55:33] corresponding codes found in the in the
[55:35] city code that um identify the permitted
[55:39] uses for th those zones for the
[55:41] properties with that zoning designation
[55:43] and development requirements which go
[55:46] over um density, building height, uh
[55:49] building um site planning standards, uh
[55:52] landscaping infrastructure, parking. Um
[55:55] so those things we're not we're not
[55:56] proposing any changes to those with the
[55:58] adoption of this plan. Um this would
[56:00] just help provide guidance for future.
[56:03] Um it kind of there's kind of two
[56:06] things. One, there's city initiated
[56:08] projects and we'll talk specifically
[56:11] about two city initiated projects that
[56:13] we're looking forward to um that we use
[56:16] this as as guidance for. And then
[56:17] there's when um development proposals
[56:21] come where where maybe there's a request
[56:22] to change the zone or change a code,
[56:25] then we can look to an area plan and
[56:28] general plan as as guidance to see if if
[56:30] that um corresponds kind of the vision
[56:32] with the vision for the area. Um and so
[56:36] that's that's kind of the two of the
[56:37] primary uses of of implementing this
[56:40] plan going forward.
[56:41] >> Still be an opportunity for plenty of
[56:43] council involvement as as you go down
[56:45] that road.
[56:46] >> Yeah, exactly. So the so any kind of
[56:48] change to a zoning map or the zoning
[56:50] code that's those are legislative
[56:51] decisions that require um planning
[56:54] commission review public hearing and
[56:56] then ultimately a city council decision.
[56:59] Um, but it's it's really helpful to have
[57:02] these plans as as staff as communicating
[57:05] with property owners, with the public,
[57:07] um, to have some kind of guidance and and, uh, a a goal so everyone's on
[57:13] the same page of of where we're heading
[57:15] for for this area and to be able to um
[57:18] provide some some helpful direction. Um,
[57:22] okay. So, why do we need an area plan
[57:26] for this this specific area? So this
[57:29] following page here explains the area
[57:31] that's been identified on that on that
[57:34] map to the right um as the study area
[57:37] for this plan. So that includes the
[57:39] historic downtown area going up the
[57:41] north main street corridor up to um Main
[57:45] Street, the Main Street interchange and
[57:47] then kind of the area around there. So
[57:49] there's a lot of changes that we're
[57:51] anticipating in the near future to this
[57:53] area. So, some of those are the the new
[57:56] PAC Parkway interchange and then that
[57:58] PAC Parkway arterial road with a lot of
[58:01] anticipated development around there.
[58:03] Um, changes to the the main street
[58:06] interchange and then the frontr runner
[58:08] station and surrounding um planned to
[58:12] area and then the um UVU campus that a
[58:16] satellite campus that we hope to have
[58:18] all right in that that area. And so with
[58:20] all that there there's a lot of
[58:22] opportunities and and um you know
[58:26] benefits that that will bring to the
[58:27] city. Um, but there's also some
[58:30] challenges that those could bring
[58:31] specifically to the downtown historic
[58:35] downtown area with making sure that
[58:37] that's still a viable core heart of our
[58:40] city that that we're that businesses are
[58:42] still able to be viable and and that
[58:45] we're not um drawing [clears throat] too
[58:47] much traffic and customers away from the
[58:49] area that's in competing with that area.
[58:51] So, so with that those kind of
[58:55] conditions, the city really wanted to be
[58:58] proactive in planning for that area and
[59:00] not just reacting to those changes after
[59:02] they come, but making sure we're we're
[59:04] doing what we can now to address those
[59:07] potential concerns and and help improve
[59:09] this area and set it up for for success.
[59:12] Um, so so those are kind of the goals
[59:14] for this for this plan that that are
[59:16] kind of discussed here.
[59:19] Um, so since that initial start in in
[59:23] 2023, there's a lot of work that's gone
[59:25] into to getting where we're at today.
[59:28] Um, overall, I just would emphasize, you
[59:30] know, a lot of public outreach. We
[59:33] really feel that this is a this plan
[59:35] reflects the goals of the community.
[59:36] It's it's the community's plan. Um there
[59:39] was uh public o open house website
[59:44] meetings with uh key property owners. Um
[59:47] a technical advisory board was formed.
[59:49] Um and and really the goal was to
[59:52] understand the goals of the community
[59:54] and make sure that that this is
[59:56] addressing the needs of of those people
[59:58] that will be impacted most by um by this
[1:00:01] plan that they have a that kind of rare
[1:00:03] opportunity to really have a a say in in
[1:00:05] what's what's going to happen around
[1:00:07] them. Um
[1:00:09] and
[1:00:11] so so with that um the plan that we have
[1:00:14] today, I've identified um a few sections
[1:00:19] here that are kind of the key key
[1:00:21] elements of that plan that we'll we'll
[1:00:23] be going to when it comes to
[1:00:25] implementing it in in coming days and
[1:00:27] years. And um as we mentioned before,
[1:00:31] we've we've made some changes to that
[1:00:33] just in the last year based on on the
[1:00:35] comments from the city council. And so
[1:00:37] three of those sections um are are where
[1:00:41] we see those changes. And so um I'll go
[1:00:44] through kind of each one of these
[1:00:45] sections, but focus on on those sections
[1:00:47] where there's those changes and and and
[1:00:50] kind of address what changes were made
[1:00:52] and how how they address those comments.
[1:00:56] Um so the first section here was um
[1:00:59] identifying kind of the land use,
[1:01:02] assessing the land use. One thing that
[1:01:03] was identified early on was that even
[1:01:06] though this is a fairly small area,
[1:01:08] there's really three distinct kind of
[1:01:10] neighborhoods within this planning area
[1:01:13] and an important distinct goals and
[1:01:16] needs for for these area these areas
[1:01:19] that were developed. So the first is the
[1:01:22] downtown district. The goal really of
[1:01:24] there is to um continue to help um
[1:01:27] revitalize that area. Um it support
[1:01:31] businesses um help encourage um high
[1:01:36] quality design that helps support the feel of that area and the um small
[1:01:41] town feel it has and even expand the
[1:01:43] feel of that area in surrounding
[1:01:46] properties.
[1:01:47] Um and then there's the main street
[1:01:51] district. So the um that north main
[1:01:54] street corridor where there's a there's
[1:01:56] um some pioneer architecture and a lot
[1:02:00] of residential homes that really
[1:02:02] contribute to giving pace in that small
[1:02:04] town feel for the for the entire city.
[1:02:07] And so it's important to um help
[1:02:10] [clears throat]
[1:02:11] help preserve that feel um um through
[1:02:16] some adaptive reuse opportunities and um
[1:02:20] and and maintaining primarily
[1:02:22] residential uses. Um and then there's
[1:02:26] the gateway area which there's a lot of
[1:02:28] opportunities there in that area for
[1:02:30] redevelopment. Um and and the goal there
[1:02:33] is to create something that's unique,
[1:02:35] that's not just another um freeway,
[1:02:38] interchange commercial area, but
[1:02:40] something that has a unique feel with a
[1:02:42] goal of drawing people off of the
[1:02:45] freeway onto Main Street and eventually
[1:02:46] into that downtown area and providing
[1:02:49] kind of the needs providing for the
[1:02:51] needs of the surrounding area and create
[1:02:53] something that with a personality
[1:02:55] um that that we're excited about. And so
[1:03:00] um this first section of the plan was
[1:03:03] identifying kind of the existing
[1:03:04] conditions performing a analysis to
[1:03:07] identify what um what what's needed
[1:03:11] based on those existing conditions and
[1:03:13] then using that and that public input um
[1:03:16] went into this conceptual land use plan.
[1:03:20] Um so some changes that were made based
[1:03:22] on on city council feedback with this
[1:03:25] specifically one was um identifying
[1:03:29] definitions for these different land use
[1:03:31] designations. Um which we feel like was
[1:03:34] really important to help specify what
[1:03:37] we're wanting in this area and then what
[1:03:39] we don't want in in these certain areas.
[1:03:41] Um so with the mixeduse central district
[1:03:46] um that's what's found around the
[1:03:48] historic downtown area. Um that area was
[1:03:52] actually that use is expanded to beyond
[1:03:54] just that fourb block area. Um and it
[1:03:57] focuses on um primarily
[1:04:01] uh retail and and retail that supports
[1:04:03] the home to adventure um vision for the
[1:04:06] area. Um the area should be walkable. um
[1:04:11] and have high quality architecture and
[1:04:14] site planning and then um yeah just support those existing
[1:04:22] businesses that are there. Um and then
[1:04:25] with the mixed use area um that's allows
[1:04:29] a variety of uses but is primarily
[1:04:31] focused on retail uses that will um kind
[1:04:35] of support the needs of the surrounding
[1:04:36] area and and create something that's
[1:04:38] unique um that that we don't really have
[1:04:41] in in other parts of the city um
[1:04:45] and and and uses that will will draw
[1:04:47] people into the to main street. Um and
[1:04:50] so those definitions I think go a long
[1:04:53] ways in in future conversations with
[1:04:55] property owners and helping understand
[1:04:57] the vision for these areas. Um another
[1:05:00] thing was um replacing a highdensity res
[1:05:04] or uh residential on the Nebo school
[1:05:07] district property um with two scenarios.
[1:05:11] one that would um envision kind of
[1:05:14] repurposing the existing building on
[1:05:16] that property for an industrial use that
[1:05:18] could um that could benefit from the
[1:05:23] existing facilities there. And then a a
[1:05:27] second concept would be a residential
[1:05:29] use that would help support the proposed
[1:05:32] commercial in that area.
[1:05:36] Um, so then this other page was a
[1:05:40] conceptual
[1:05:40] >> Sorry, Anders, could you go back to the
[1:05:42] previous slide? What is the Sorry,
[1:05:45] what's the the hashed the hashed marks
[1:05:48] again there?
[1:05:49] >> Yeah. So that's the um Nebo school
[1:05:52] district property.
[1:05:53] >> Oh, that's the busy yard. Okay. Yep.
[1:05:55] >> And so that was formerly shown as a
[1:05:57] highdensity residential, right? So now
[1:05:59] we're replacing that kind of referring
[1:06:00] to these concept A and B.
[1:06:03] >> Okay. Yes. Thank you.
[1:06:13] >> Yeah. And so then this conceptual site
[1:06:16] plan is focusing on that gateway area.
[1:06:20] And so important thing with this again
[1:06:22] with the entire plan, it's it's
[1:06:23] conceptual. It's not granting any
[1:06:26] entitlements or saying that this
[1:06:27] specific use has to be in this area.
[1:06:29] It's just providing more of a vision for
[1:06:31] what what we could see in in this area.
[1:06:34] Um any any kind of entitlement would come with a a requested zone
[1:06:40] change that would have to go to the the
[1:06:42] city council. Um and so uh one some
[1:06:47] things that were that were changed to
[1:06:49] this page specifically was again adding
[1:06:52] some more um definitions and refining
[1:06:54] definitions to to really clarify what we
[1:06:57] mean by these different um uses. Um
[1:07:01] there was a significant reduction in the
[1:07:03] amount of um residential um really kind
[1:07:06] of getting rid of any high high density
[1:07:08] residential
[1:07:09] um and and
[1:07:12] uh focusing more on on mixed use. Um
[1:07:16] and then um with the flex use light
[1:07:19] industrial um focusing there on uh uses
[1:07:23] that would be low impact maybe more
[1:07:27] office oriented and and high quality
[1:07:29] architecture.
[1:07:30] Um and then with the kind of central
[1:07:34] area um focusing more on mixed use with
[1:07:38] that area um with ensuring that there's
[1:07:42] retail with that. And the goal really of
[1:07:44] that area is to create something that's
[1:07:46] unique that that provides sort of this
[1:07:49] um pedestrianoriented center to the area
[1:07:52] that has that draw and provides the
[1:07:55] needs for the surrounding area. has that
[1:07:58] plaza area that um we could see as a
[1:08:05] um benefit to the the surrounding area.
[1:08:07] And so preserving kind of that small
[1:08:09] town feel um
[1:08:12] wi with that area. So
[1:08:18] some other sections, this was kind of
[1:08:20] that that third section that was was
[1:08:22] changed recently.
[1:08:25] Um,
[1:08:28] so the one image on the left is is
[1:08:30] showing potential building height. Um,
[1:08:34] so that was changed significantly where
[1:08:36] now we're we're limiting the majority of
[1:08:38] area to two-story buildings and some
[1:08:40] one-story buildings. Um, and then there
[1:08:43] were quite a few changes to the
[1:08:44] precedent images. Um, overall I would
[1:08:48] say the changes were kind of focused on
[1:08:51] um getting rid of anything that would I
[1:08:53] guess uh encourage or or um uh
[1:09:00] indicate that we were um open to make to
[1:09:04] maybe um
[1:09:07] higher like multi-story densities
[1:09:10] whether that be commercial or
[1:09:11] residential. and then um focusing really
[1:09:14] on high quality architecture and and
[1:09:16] more of a small town
[1:09:19] feel architecture rather than like a
[1:09:21] modern architecture. So that was overall
[1:09:24] the changes that were made. Um I'll go
[1:09:26] through these pages quickly, but
[1:09:29] >> and thanks for for changing these Jill
[1:09:31] and Anders and and Michael too and for
[1:09:33] all your work on on this. Uh I think
[1:09:36] this is one area of town that we can
[1:09:38] really make feel different and one of
[1:09:39] the ways we do that is preserving our
[1:09:40] view of our mountains and there there is
[1:09:43] a time and a place for taller buildings
[1:09:44] in Pacin City. Uh but I love the fact
[1:09:47] that this is not the place for it. They can they can stay shorter here.
[1:09:51] Obviously the one that we're allowing to
[1:09:52] be three may maybe a hotel hopefully or
[1:09:55] something like that. But uh but I think
[1:09:58] this is this is a good use of of the
[1:10:00] airspace to have the view of the
[1:10:02] mountain as they're hopefully heading to
[1:10:04] downtown or up Pac Canyon. So thank you
[1:10:06] for hearing our our remarks on this and
[1:10:08] lowering the height of these buildings.
[1:10:10] >> Yeah. Yeah. And so you know none none of these images are going to be
[1:10:14] perfect. there might be something that's maybe not exactly compliant with
[1:10:18] the the vision or the or current codes
[1:10:20] or or anything, but the idea is that
[1:10:22] it's providing a general precedent of of
[1:10:24] the type of architecture or or feel that
[1:10:27] we'd want to have in in these areas. So,
[1:10:29] these images are for not just this
[1:10:31] gateway area, but the entire planning
[1:10:33] area. Um so this this page is that
[1:10:37] gateway area and that mixeduse
[1:10:39] neighborhood commercial areas,
[1:10:41] residential areas um that that central
[1:10:44] gathering space um that that we would
[1:10:48] hope to envision as kind of a core piece
[1:10:50] to this to this development. Um and then
[1:10:54] the the uh flex use and hotel uses. Um
[1:10:59] and [clears throat] then the retail in
[1:11:00] the downtown district. um trying to
[1:11:03] preserve the the high quality um
[1:11:06] historic architecture that's there and
[1:11:08] encourage redevelopment that would that
[1:11:10] would kind of further that. Um and then
[1:11:13] this was a a precedent image that was
[1:11:15] created. There was quite a few changes
[1:11:17] that were made to this than what was
[1:11:18] originally presented to all. Um
[1:11:22] reflecting the changes in in uses um
[1:11:25] that were made to the other the the land
[1:11:27] use plan and and conceptual site plan
[1:11:29] and then also reflecting the changes in height. Um
[1:11:34] and then some other images showing um
[1:11:36] kind of that main street leading up to
[1:11:38] the um plaza area and and a potential
[1:11:41] rendering of that plaza area that could
[1:11:43] be a great draw and and make that area
[1:11:46] have a unique feel to it. Um uh another
[1:11:50] section of this plan was an economic
[1:11:53] assessment
[1:11:54] um that and and SWAT analysis and that
[1:11:58] all kind of went into ensuring that what
[1:12:01] was proposed with land uses um was
[1:12:04] something that would be doable that we
[1:12:05] that the the market would support those
[1:12:08] uses and we feel like the changes that
[1:12:10] were made still still are in line with
[1:12:12] that as original assessment. Another
[1:12:15] part of the economic assessment um was
[1:12:18] identifying these trigger sites. So, a
[1:12:21] trigger cites the idea is that it's
[1:12:23] identifying areas that are key um to
[1:12:27] making this plan a success where if
[1:12:29] these properties can be developed in a
[1:12:31] way that's kind of in line with the
[1:12:33] vision for the plan, then it would set a
[1:12:36] precedent for surrounding properties and
[1:12:39] really help um
[1:12:42] uh yeah, just just make the entire plan
[1:12:45] go the way that's that's envisioned. And
[1:12:48] so it identifies several trigger sites.
[1:12:51] And one thing we're excited about is um
[1:12:54] we've received a grant um from MAG that
[1:12:57] would provide funding to um sort of
[1:13:01] implement this plan for these trigger
[1:13:02] sites. So it would it would provide
[1:13:04] funding for the development of
[1:13:06] architectural plans um and site planning
[1:13:10] and then some uh transportation
[1:13:13] um intersection planning um that would
[1:13:17] help kind of take the the the next step
[1:13:19] to actually make this plan become a
[1:13:21] reality. So that's one of these city
[1:13:23] initiated um projects that we're excited
[1:13:26] about that that um could really make
[1:13:28] this this plan a reality, right? And so
[1:13:30] that includes this North Street 100
[1:13:33] North Main Street interchange and that
[1:13:35] city property um and then the um
[1:13:40] city-owned property at 40 South Main
[1:13:42] Street and then um this site here on 400
[1:13:45] North and Main Street, the Guerrer Farms
[1:13:48] um piece. Um and so re redeveloping
[1:13:51] these properties in a way that's that's
[1:13:53] kind of in line with with the vision for
[1:13:54] this area. This is right in the center
[1:13:56] of that that plan area, this
[1:13:58] intersection and property. Um so so that
[1:14:02] we're we're excited to kind of get going
[1:14:04] on that plan, but it is sort of
[1:14:06] dependent on on being able to adopt this
[1:14:08] plan um in order to take the this first
[1:14:11] step of implementing it. Um the plan
[1:14:15] also included a transportation
[1:14:17] assessment identifying um transportation
[1:14:21] needs, a conceptual main north main
[1:14:24] street cross-section um future grid
[1:14:28] connections and active transportation
[1:14:30] connections. And then um it included a
[1:14:34] historic kind of a a pretty in-depth
[1:14:36] analysis of the historic um district and potential um recommended changes to
[1:14:43] our code that that um
[1:14:47] that uh impacts or uh regulates
[1:14:51] development of the historic area. Um,
[1:14:54] and we've already begun looking at ways
[1:14:56] to implement that and and changing our
[1:14:58] um, central commercial zone to to
[1:15:00] incorporate these recommendations.
[1:15:03] Um, and then there's the active
[1:15:06] transportation plan that was included in
[1:15:08] this project that that's already been
[1:15:09] adopted by the city council. So, there's
[1:15:11] a lot of pieces to this uh plan that
[1:15:14] we're that are providing actionable
[1:15:18] steps to to not just have it be
[1:15:20] something that sits on the shelf, but
[1:15:22] really that we're we're excited to be
[1:15:24] taking the next step to implement this
[1:15:26] plan and and have identified several
[1:15:28] ways to to already start that process.
[1:15:31] Um, and so we're we're we're excited to continue with that. Um overall our
[1:15:38] staff's analysis is that um the plan
[1:15:41] truly reflects the needs of the
[1:15:43] community um that through the outreach
[1:15:46] that was done with its development um
[1:15:49] and that it that it um addresses the the
[1:15:53] comments from the city council and then
[1:15:55] continues to be in line with the
[1:15:58] economic assessment that was that was
[1:16:00] done for for what would make what would
[1:16:02] be successful in this area. Um, we also
[1:16:05] feel that it mitigates the the
[1:16:07] challenges and kind of addresses those
[1:16:09] original goals of the plan. Um, that the
[1:16:13] unique goals that it identifies for each
[1:16:14] area will really help with implementing
[1:16:16] the plan. And then finally, we we feel
[1:16:19] like it really um helps with providing
[1:16:22] the guidance that the city planning
[1:16:25] commission, city council, public, we all
[1:16:27] need to kind of be on the same page for
[1:16:29] understanding the the needs of this
[1:16:31] area, the the direction that this area
[1:16:34] is going and and and would really help
[1:16:36] with with developing partnerships and
[1:16:38] providing um that that direction for
[1:16:41] this that's specific and tailored to
[1:16:43] this area. And then it provides the
[1:16:45] leverage that's that's needed to really
[1:16:47] be able to demand high quality
[1:16:49] development and and architecture when different developments are being
[1:16:53] proposed. So, um, with that, I'll uh um
[1:16:57] ask if the city council has any
[1:16:58] questions for me.
[1:17:00] >> And I just, um, I just want to say thank
[1:17:03] you so much for all the hard work you
[1:17:05] put into this. I think it looks
[1:17:06] wonderful. You really listened to what
[1:17:08] we were saying. We really wanted to keep
[1:17:10] the views available with keeping the the
[1:17:13] number of stories low. Um
[1:17:17] I'd also like to maybe bring to people's
[1:17:22] attention that we can have big box
[1:17:25] stores
[1:17:27] um I think uh make sure their look is
[1:17:30] nice. I I think of I think it's the
[1:17:32] Pleasant Grove or the American Fork.
[1:17:34] Walmart is brick and it's it's doesn't
[1:17:36] look like a Walmart. Not that we have to
[1:17:38] have our Walmart changed, but any in the
[1:17:40] future. Um, can we do that? But other
[1:17:44] than that, everything looks wonderful. I
[1:17:45] think this is a great plan and I hope
[1:17:47] that we can stay loyal to it and
[1:17:51] um, good job. So, thank you so much.
[1:17:56] » Yeah, I just well definitely couldn't
[1:17:58] have done it without all of you. I mean,
[1:17:59] it was it was great to have those those
[1:18:01] one-on-one conversations with each of
[1:18:03] you to really to really help get us to
[1:18:05] where we're at. So
[1:18:06] >> been able to watch the the work that's
[1:18:08] being done on this and and and thank you
[1:18:10] very much for all the attention to
[1:18:12] details.
[1:18:14] >> There's there's few things as important
[1:18:16] as plans within our city. And so good
[1:18:20] plans protect both the city and the
[1:18:21] residents and the businesses too. And
[1:18:24] echo what council Moss said that we need
[1:18:26] to hopefully us and future councils can
[1:18:28] have the the wherewithal and strength to
[1:18:30] stick to the plan uh where it makes sense to do such. Um did this go
[1:18:36] before the planning commission?
[1:18:37] >> Yeah, I failed to mention that. Yeah.
[1:18:39] So, uh a public hearing was held with
[1:18:41] the planning commission um just uh
[1:18:45] earlier last month um and they
[1:18:47] recommended um it was a unanimous
[1:18:50] recommendation to the city council to
[1:18:52] adopt it into the um general
[1:18:54] [clears throat] plan which is the the
[1:18:56] recommended motion.
[1:18:57] >> Okay.
[1:18:58] >> Thank you.
[1:18:59] >> Wonderful. Without a plan, we we fail.
[1:19:01] So, this is a great plan.
[1:19:03] >> [clears throat]
[1:19:04] >> I got a few things. Um I It's been a
[1:19:06] long time coming. Been like two years.
[1:19:08] So nice nice to get this point to this
[1:19:11] point. Um just a few clarifications. As
[1:19:15] I look through this on the conceptual
[1:19:16] land use plan, it had under commercial.
[1:19:19] It had restaurants and but not in the
[1:19:21] mixed use. And it just seemed like the
[1:19:24] restaurants really ought to be in the
[1:19:25] mixed use and not in the commercial like
[1:19:28] where Paris RV is. It just didn't quite
[1:19:31] make sense to me.
[1:19:33] It's on page 2021 right there.
[1:19:36] [clears throat] If you'd go to
[1:19:37] commercial, it says
[1:19:39] >> primary retail and restaurants and
[1:19:41] grocery stores. But
[1:19:44] that's that red area, but it seems like
[1:19:46] in the mixed juice area, right where the
[1:19:48] interchange is is more where you're
[1:19:49] going to want your restaurants.
[1:19:52] >> I agree. Yeah. Um
[1:19:58] Yeah. I mean, um, ultimately I think, you know, as staff, as we're
[1:20:03] working with property owners, it's
[1:20:05] certainly not discouraging restaurants
[1:20:08] with with kind of the general um
[1:20:11] language there. I think it would it
[1:20:12] would be definitely helpful if it did
[1:20:14] specifically say restaurants. Um, so
[1:20:19] yeah, that's that's great feedback. Um,
[1:20:22] >> I think it does fall under that low
[1:20:24] impact commercial, but to be more
[1:20:26] specific to open the eyes of restaurant
[1:20:27] owners, I think that'd be good to add
[1:20:29] that in there as well. It's a good
[1:20:30] >> Yeah. And ultimately, it's Yeah, it's not a zone where we're not
[1:20:34] identifying every permitted use, right?
[1:20:36] But but it would be helpful to identify
[1:20:38] those uses that are especially
[1:20:40] >> such as restaurants in there. Yep.
[1:20:44] >> And another place in there, it talks
[1:20:45] about sales tax incentives for retail.
[1:20:49] As far as I know, the state code will
[1:20:51] not let us do that. And so I don't I
[1:20:56] don't know if we ought to strike that or
[1:20:58] leave it in there or not, but state code
[1:21:00] won't let us give incentives for retail.
[1:21:05] >> Okay. Yeah, that's well
[1:21:07] >> unfortunately. Make a note of that.
[1:21:08] >> Yeah, unfortunately. Then the other
[1:21:10] thing I had is on talked about um
[1:21:12] appendix C. What is appendix C? the talk
[1:21:16] that's for the his basin historic
[1:21:18] district.
[1:21:20] Oh,
[1:21:20] >> okay. Um, was that in there?
[1:21:23] >> I don't think I included the appendixes,
[1:21:26] but yes, I believe that would have been
[1:21:28] the the historic district
[1:21:31] overlay. And so, that wasn't included
[1:21:33] just because it wasn't necessarily
[1:21:36] part of what you'd be adopting into the general plan. It was more of
[1:21:41] something that would be helpful for
[1:21:43] staff to use as we're looking at
[1:21:46] implementing.
[1:21:48] >> But isn't appendix C part of this plan?
[1:21:50] I mean that's
[1:21:53] >> so I just don't know what's in appendix
[1:21:54] C. What where it's saying? So what's it
[1:21:57] is it defining what we're going to do in
[1:21:59] the downtown or I know we're working on
[1:22:01] an or a code for that but does this tell
[1:22:03] us what the code's going to be?
[1:22:06] >> Um it does it does not say what it's
[1:22:09] going to be. Um but it just suggests
[1:22:12] recommendations
[1:22:14] >> re it provides recommendations for
[1:22:17] changing it
[1:22:17] >> as long as recommendations
[1:22:19] >> it's not worded as code and so when it
[1:22:24] comes to implementing it there there's
[1:22:27] several things that need to be I guess
[1:22:29] tweaked with with how it's worded so
[1:22:31] that it's it's code language right it
[1:22:33] it's kind of that that legal language
[1:22:35] rather than with appendix C it's worded
[1:22:38] more as a um kind of a design
[1:22:40] guidelines. Um, and so yeah, that that's
[1:22:45] one of the the things that we're hoping
[1:22:47] to do to to implement this plan in the
[1:22:49] near future is is take that language in
[1:22:53] that appendix C and and kind of turn it
[1:22:56] more in take take what, you know, take
[1:22:58] what we like and leave the rest and and turn it more into um code language
[1:23:03] that then would eventually come to you
[1:23:06] as for a proposed amendment to the CC-1
[1:23:09] zone ordinance.
[1:23:11] The last thing I have is just the way we're really going to get this
[1:23:16] to take off is because
[1:23:19] uh the Flying J property, which is the
[1:23:20] key to this place, is um they're just
[1:23:24] kind of waiting to see what the happens
[1:23:26] with the braided ramps or if we have
[1:23:29] frontage road and and waiting for the to
[1:23:33] um UD do and to come up with a plan for
[1:23:36] that. So, I think that's really key for
[1:23:40] this is to make sure we keep pushing
[1:23:42] that and getting that in place so we can
[1:23:44] have this property be ready to de be
[1:23:46] developed. But I like the plan. I think
[1:23:48] it's great and thank you for all your
[1:23:50] work.
[1:23:52] >> Okay. Any other council discussion,
[1:23:55] comments?
[1:23:55] >> I was just going to say um compared to
[1:23:58] what you first showed me, because
[1:23:59] obviously I came in as a newbie.
[1:24:01] compared to what you first showed me. I
[1:24:03] feel like everything that I put out
[1:24:06] there, you guys listened to and it looks
[1:24:10] completely different. And when I was
[1:24:12] going through all the pictures and the I
[1:24:14] know they're just ideas and renderings
[1:24:16] and such, but it made me feel like if
[1:24:19] that's what was there, I could still go
[1:24:21] into historic downtown and feel like I'm
[1:24:24] driving down historic Main Street and
[1:24:26] not coming into a big city. cuz as I had
[1:24:30] said, I had said
[1:24:31] >> you're going to have two other exits
[1:24:32] that we can make modern and big and
[1:24:35] whatnot, you know, like this is this is
[1:24:37] it. This is historic downtown. And so I
[1:24:40] just want to say thanks for listening.
[1:24:41] It sounds like everyone else feels the
[1:24:43] same. So you did great.
[1:24:46] >> Wonderful. Sounds like we're ready for a
[1:24:47] motion.
[1:24:49] >> I'll make a motion that we adopt the
[1:24:50] patient uh downtown gateway area plan as
[1:24:53] part of the city's general plan. Also,
[1:24:56] >> can I can I amend that to also Should we
[1:24:58] add, Brian, to add the the wording of
[1:25:00] restaurants to mixed juice and the
[1:25:02] deletion of sales tax incentives in the
[1:25:04] plan?
[1:25:04] >> Yeah, I can amend my uh motion to that.
[1:25:08] >> I'll second.
[1:25:09] >> Okay, we have a motion been seconded.
[1:25:11] Roll call vote starting with Council
[1:25:13] Smith.
[1:25:14] >> Yes.
[1:25:15] >> Council Hick.
[1:25:15] >> Yes.
[1:25:16] >> Council Roelly.
[1:25:16] >> Yes.
[1:25:17] >> Council Moss.
[1:25:18] >> Yes.
[1:25:19] >> Thank you. Motion carries unanimously.
[1:25:21] That brings us to number six. uh
[1:25:24] discussion on endo rodeo arena
[1:25:25] feasibility study. Dave and and uh
[1:25:30] >> Anders take this.
[1:25:31] >> Oh, Anders. Good. Yeah, I know you've
[1:25:33] been heavily involved. Go ahead, Anders.
[1:25:37] >> Yeah. Um
[1:25:40] [clears throat]
[1:25:41] Okay. So, what I have up here is just um
[1:25:45] uh when in when we included the plan in
[1:25:49] the packet um it it had this one-page um
[1:25:52] sort of staff report, executive summary
[1:25:55] of of um what what seemed to be the kind
[1:25:58] of key elements of of that study. Um and
[1:26:02] so I'll just just kind of really quickly
[1:26:04] go through what these are. Um, so for
[1:26:08] some background, um, Councilman Hwlet,
[1:26:11] uh, secured a grant for the city that
[1:26:13] allowed us to study, um, the economic
[1:26:19] impact and, um, feasibility of having a
[1:26:24] city um, rodeo and indoor um, equestrian
[1:26:29] riding arena in PAC. Um, and there's significant interest from the
[1:26:35] community in in this type of facility.
[1:26:38] Um, and so we just kind of wanted to
[1:26:40] take take a first step at at going from
[1:26:43] just a an idea out there to, okay, what
[1:26:46] would it actually look like? What would
[1:26:47] it actually take to to do something like
[1:26:50] this? Um and so um we we were able to
[1:26:54] have uh Crossroads Consultant
[1:26:57] was um this group that's done lots of
[1:26:59] similar studies like this across the
[1:27:02] country and they came in and did a I
[1:27:04] think a great job very thorough analysis
[1:27:06] of of this type of facility and and all
[1:27:09] the impacts that it would have. So kind
[1:27:12] of some some highlights to this. Um one
[1:27:15] of the first things it did was looking
[1:27:16] at um comparable facilities. So, it
[1:27:20] looked at um rodeo facilities in the um
[1:27:25] near area to to PAC um that we could
[1:27:29] compare kind of their their operations
[1:27:32] and their costs and revenues. Um but
[1:27:34] then it also looked at kind of a more
[1:27:36] nationwide uh view of of uh facilities
[1:27:40] that were maybe more similar to to what
[1:27:42] PAC would potentially be doing. Um and
[1:27:46] so it identified um
[1:27:49] uh their um how many events they hold a
[1:27:53] year, their their revenues, their
[1:27:54] expenses. Um
[1:27:57] with the comparable facilities, they
[1:27:59] operate at a average operating deficit
[1:28:01] of approximately 675,000
[1:28:04] was seemed to be kind of the main
[1:28:06] takeaway from that section of the study.
[1:28:09] um site considerations looked at uh what
[1:28:12] would be kind of the the main components
[1:28:15] that would be needed on on a site like
[1:28:17] this um to kind of comply with market
[1:28:20] demands. Um and and and identified that
[1:28:26] there would probably be a need for about
[1:28:27] a 100 acres um for a facility that would meet all those market needs.
[1:28:32] Um and then it identified what would be
[1:28:35] specifically included in that. And then
[1:28:37] it talked about estimated budgets using
[1:28:40] um kind of all the data and information
[1:28:42] that they have and comparing it with
[1:28:43] other similar sites. Um and kind of the
[1:28:47] numbers they came up with was that um
[1:28:49] the estimated cost of actually um
[1:28:52] constructing the facility would be 96 to
[1:28:56] 152 million which would not include the
[1:28:58] cost of land. Um and then which would be
[1:29:02] that you know initial cost. And then as
[1:29:06] far as operating costs um and operating
[1:29:08] revenue would be 828
[1:29:12] um,000
[1:29:14] to 1.2 million. Operating revenue um 1.3
[1:29:19] million to 1.4
[1:29:21] about 1.5 million. uh which would also
[1:29:24] result as as seen in other comparable
[1:29:26] facilities in a operating loss of about
[1:29:29] um 250 to 470
[1:29:35] um,000.
[1:29:36] And then um one important part of this
[1:29:38] is um with a facility like this it's understood that there's sort of a
[1:29:43] multiplier effect where it has um it
[1:29:46] draws people into the city um which then
[1:29:50] encourages
[1:29:51] growth of businesses which then
[1:29:53] encourages you know growth of um drawing
[1:29:55] more people in and more businesses. So
[1:29:57] it so it has that economic impact that should be considered right as we're
[1:30:03] trying to support the community um and
[1:30:06] not just this uh field but but but in
[1:30:10] general. Um and so some estimates that
[1:30:12] it has for that is that it would um have
[1:30:15] direct and indirect spending of
[1:30:17] approximately 13 to 19 million um five
[1:30:21] to 3 to 5 million in in labor income and
[1:30:24] then um estimated tax revenues of
[1:30:27] potentially up to 1.3 million.
[1:30:30] >> Do we know Andrew the the time frame on
[1:30:32] that? Is that within 5 years the life of
[1:30:34] the the arena the where where are those
[1:30:37] numbers the n you know the up to 19
[1:30:39] million or
[1:30:41] yeah I I don't um I don't know if I
[1:30:44] could answer that question quickly from
[1:30:46] this page
[1:30:49] um
[1:30:53] » oh
[1:30:54] >> annually but regional
[1:30:57] Okay.
[1:31:02] » Annual that's pretty big number for
[1:31:04] annual return regionally, right?
[1:31:13] And how big of a region do you think
[1:31:14] we're talking here for something in
[1:31:17] >> bas?
[1:31:25] » Okay.
[1:31:33] Thank you.
[1:31:34] >> Yeah, there there is a map that kind of
[1:31:36] identifies that regional economic
[1:31:38] impact. I'm not remembering what page it
[1:31:40] was on, but but yeah, that more or less
[1:31:42] Provo South.
[1:31:49] » They they stated that we were we were in
[1:31:51] a good area for that. that it would be
[1:31:52] more centrally located and so be easier
[1:31:54] to be supported by a regional area.
[1:31:57] Right.
[1:31:59] >> Yeah. One one thing that I don't know is
[1:32:00] really addressed necessarily in here is just that there was um a lot of just public support for this facility
[1:32:08] and that it would be able to um continue
[1:32:12] to to have business, right? It would
[1:32:14] remain remain full. Um it just that that
[1:32:19] doesn't mean that it would be profitable
[1:32:21] due to the the c the operating costs and
[1:32:24] revenues but but it would be successful
[1:32:26] and that it it would continue to um have
[1:32:32] be used I guess estimation.
[1:32:36] >> Go ahead.
[1:32:36] >> Oh go ahead.
[1:32:37] >> I just I know uh you know I'm not much
[1:32:39] of a horse guy but I know a lot of the people I grew out grew grew up with
[1:32:43] out in West Mountain would be all about
[1:32:45] having something like this. would really
[1:32:46] like this. Obviously, the the 100 acres,
[1:32:48] that's a big piece of property to find.
[1:32:50] I guess, you know, a lot of that
[1:32:52] probably park parking, but that presents
[1:32:54] a challenge in of itself of finding
[1:32:56] something that big.
[1:32:59] >> Yeah, definitely.
[1:33:00] >> What I guess my question is um if
[1:33:04] something were to come of this
[1:33:07] time frame wise, what is the idea?
[1:33:10] Because feel like I'm really loud
[1:33:12] tonight. Um, I don't see
[1:33:17] Hayes being able to
[1:33:21] support any of this for a very long
[1:33:23] time. And you're talking to a horse
[1:33:24] owner. I
[1:33:28] I'm going to be blatant and honest. I'm
[1:33:31] not in support of it. I'm an accountant,
[1:33:33] so I instantly see a negative revenue.
[1:33:37] Um, and we're hoping it's going to bring
[1:33:40] in other money. And I look out at all
[1:33:43] the other departments and I think, well,
[1:33:44] we have so many other other things that
[1:33:47] to me is more important.
[1:33:49] There is an indoor arena seven miles
[1:33:52] that way. I know that Young Living is
[1:33:53] actually, cuz I'm in a horse community
[1:33:55] group, they actually just put it out
[1:33:57] there that they're going to do yearly
[1:33:58] memberships that you can go use their
[1:34:00] indoor arena. And you know, and it's I
[1:34:05] don't think that we could beat the price
[1:34:08] um that they offer.
[1:34:10] I think like Spanish works like a $100 a
[1:34:12] year and same with like Young Living,
[1:34:15] that's what they were talking about. And
[1:34:17] so for me, it would take a lot and
[1:34:21] partnerships if someone else is going to
[1:34:24] fund it somehow. So that was my very
[1:34:26] first thing is like what are we thinking
[1:34:29] 10 years, 20 years?
[1:34:31] >> Well,
[1:34:31] >> five years.
[1:34:32] >> And let me jump in on that one. We're
[1:34:34] not advocating that we we do this like
[1:34:37] >> No, we're just looking at it.
[1:34:39] >> This is just the We wanted to come and
[1:34:41] provide you with the results of this
[1:34:42] study.
[1:34:43] >> Is it to put more resources into it I
[1:34:45] guess then or is it just
[1:34:46] >> I think I think it was a very eyeopening
[1:34:49] experience for all of us to be able to
[1:34:51] say you know we've talked about this for
[1:34:53] a long long time and then council member
[1:34:54] Hillet was able to get some grant money
[1:34:56] to actually study the feasibility of
[1:34:58] this. Okay.
[1:34:58] >> And this was really just to understand
[1:35:00] what would be feasible and and I think
[1:35:03] for me the take-home was if we didn't
[1:35:07] have to build it.
[1:35:09] >> Yeah. If we didn't have to buy the land,
[1:35:11] build it, and provide it with utilities.
[1:35:14] >> Yeah.
[1:35:14] >> Then the revenue that it generated plus
[1:35:17] the the tax revenue that it would bring
[1:35:20] in,
[1:35:21] >> it it could be a really good
[1:35:22] opportunity. But advertising $150
[1:35:25] million,
[1:35:27] that that's a very heavy lift.
[1:35:30] >> Okay. And that
[1:35:31] >> we need benevolent billionaires.
[1:35:32] >> That's Yes. And that's helpful to know
[1:35:34] because when I did see it on the agenda,
[1:35:35] I was like, "So, what are we
[1:35:37] >> like? Do we just sit here and chitchat
[1:35:39] like, you know, kind of thing? Do we
[1:35:41] keep pushing? Do we that's it? Lay to
[1:35:44] rest kind of." So, thank you for that.
[1:35:46] But that's my that's my
[1:35:48] >> So, I want to give you a little
[1:35:49] background. So, this is a grant from the
[1:35:52] Utah Tourism Office from the state
[1:35:54] through ARPA. And so, it was a $50,000
[1:35:58] grant and it's 100% paid by them. So, it
[1:36:01] didn't cost us any money. And I know the
[1:36:02] mayor's been wanting to look at this for
[1:36:04] a long time, do a study. So, we're able
[1:36:06] to get that grant. So, um, a few things
[1:36:09] from this study that one impressed me
[1:36:12] was how much demand there really was
[1:36:14] from this group. They really said
[1:36:16] they're really, even with Spanish Fork,
[1:36:17] we questioned them a lot. Spanish Fork
[1:36:19] is actually going to do some additions
[1:36:21] to theirs, but they said there's really
[1:36:23] is a big pendup demand for this. Um, but
[1:36:27] then the cost of building it and the
[1:36:29] land, that's that's a big ask. And then
[1:36:32] also UVU is planning on building
[1:36:34] something but and I always thought they
[1:36:37] wanted to kind of do something with us
[1:36:39] but from this group they said they want
[1:36:42] to just do it on their own. They don't
[1:36:43] want anything to do with the city. So I
[1:36:45] think those are a couple of things we
[1:36:46] need to look at what UVU is going to do
[1:36:48] how we can incorporate them and then get
[1:36:50] with the county. The county really
[1:36:51] hasn't done anything for us down this
[1:36:53] way. You know you got up north and you
[1:36:55] got Spanish Fork and it's really time
[1:36:57] for us to get something from the hotel
[1:36:59] tax. thing things like that we can look
[1:37:01] at, but again, we aren't going to come
[1:37:03] up with $100 million and and build a
[1:37:06] road indoor rodeo arena.
[1:37:08] >> There's some things that we
[1:37:08] [clears throat] can look at from this
[1:37:10] study. I think
[1:37:10] >> I' I've been a really big opponent uh
[1:37:13] not a Yeah, not an opponent, but uh
[1:37:16] somebody that really wants to see this
[1:37:17] happen, but this is an extremely big
[1:37:20] lift. Unless we have, you know, somebody
[1:37:22] that really wants to step forward, who knows? Maybe someday somebody would.
[1:37:27] But without that input, I I think we are
[1:37:31] on the outside looking in.
[1:37:34] >> I think it's important too as we put
[1:37:35] this out and discuss that some
[1:37:36] opportunities might come up
[1:37:38] >> from this this study and someone might
[1:37:40] step forward and now we can say, "Hey,
[1:37:42] we have we have a we have a road map of
[1:37:44] what this is going to cost."
[1:37:45] >> It's not wasted money. We learned a lot.
[1:37:47] >> Yep. [clears throat]
[1:37:50] Yeah.
[1:37:51] >> Okay. Any further discussion? I think
[1:37:53] there's just for a discussion to bring
[1:37:54] us up to speed and if an opportunity
[1:37:57] presents itself, then we've got the
[1:37:59] ability to jump on it.
[1:38:04] Okay.
[1:38:06] I think I think that's a good
[1:38:08] discussion. Thank you, Anders.
[1:38:09] Appreciate you very much.
[1:38:10] >> Thanks, Anders. I motion that we
[1:38:12] adjourn.
[1:38:14] >> Okay.
[1:38:15] >> Second.
[1:38:16] >> All in favor say
[1:38:17] >> I.
[1:38:17] Hi.
[1:38:18] >> Good. We're ajourned.
[1:38:20] >> Thank you.
[1:38:21] >> Appreciate.