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» First time I've ever had to use that.

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We'd like to welcome

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uh citizens and staff

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to our city council meeting tonight.

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Um we'll excuse the mayor

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and before we start with a prayer and a

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pledge,

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uh I would accept a motion to

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call for mayor pro tem.

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» I make a motion that uh we appoint Bob

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Proskauer as mayor pro tem.

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>> I'll second.

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>> I have a motion and a second. By roll

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call vote, Lacy.

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>> Yes.

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But my my name's not listed.

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>> Ryan.

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>> Yes.

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>> Ryan.

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>> Yes.

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>> Bob.

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>> Yes.

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>> And Anne.

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>> Yes.

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>> Motion carries.

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Uh I'll offer the word of prayer and

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then I've asked Chief or I've asked our

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attorney

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if he would give us uh or help assist us

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in the pledge.

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Our Father in heaven, we bow our heads

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this evening grateful as citizens of

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Payson

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to come together and to do the business

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that needs to be accomplished this

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evening and we invite the spirit here in

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doing so

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that we as a council may come together

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and make the decisions that are best for

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our community.

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Father, we note the absence of our mayor

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this evening and

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we ask that the surgeries that were

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performed on him today

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will bring him back to us speedily

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that the doctors that assist him and

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attend him

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will use their wisdom and knowledge that

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will return him

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back to

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mayor of Payson.

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We give thanks for the moisture that's

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being received throughout the state.

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We continue to pray for moisture here,

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Father

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and ask that thou will be mindful of our

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needs.

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Uh we pray that our citizenry will

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continue to be

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cautious in the water and conservative

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that they use

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that we might be able to participate

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with other communities in saving

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the necessary water.

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To this end, Father, we pray now in the

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name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

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» Please stand up.

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Pledge allegiance

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>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all.

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>> Thank you.

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Still my [clears throat] mic and get it

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closer.

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>> No, she already got it in there.

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>> Is it working, Lysia?

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>> She got it.

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» All right. We have the consent agenda

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this evening.

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we have the approval of the July 1st,

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2026 Council meeting minutes, the

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confirmation of the monthly financial

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information,

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a resolution allowing additional

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properties in the Pony Express Inland

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Port, and I assume Council's had an

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opportunity to look at that one

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specifically.

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update.

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that is our consent agenda for this

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evening. I would accept a motion.

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>> I have I have a couple statements and

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questions on that. I am grateful for the

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expansion of the Inland Port

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opportunities for businesses that will

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help both Payson and the residents and

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the businesses. I do have a question

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about the water conservation plan

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update.

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Um on there was included a fee schedule.

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» I don't I don't think so.

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» No, but they talked about the tiered

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stuff, right?

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>> The tiered the tiered usage-based

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payment based on usage. Yeah.

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correct? Okay, so none of those fees are

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for culinary

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possibly was.

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>> I think that's what it said. Here's some

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things that you could do to preserve

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that before we voted on that that we're

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not changing the fees. Thank you.

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it had talked about an audit program,

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but it hadn't started yet from what I

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read. Is that correct?

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Are we going to start it? Cuz it

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recommended it in 2021

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and it sounded like like auditing like

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where the leakage and different meters.

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ongoing.

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for residents,

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but I know that lately it's been talk

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people been talking a lot about um the

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different programs to like that you can

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get incentives to help

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um change up landscape and such.

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include that stuff, um I think that

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would be beneficial and even if there's

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areas in the city like our landscape, I

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think that would be really beneficial.

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that's a really that's a really segue

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into saying we we have actually worked

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with the um

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the uh

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especially along American Way to

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basically do a demonstration garden

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along there to say this is what uh

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conservation water conservation can look

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like and we have actually budgeted to do

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that uh probably in the spring.

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and other businesses of what the flip

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your strip program in particular could

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>> And and residents have taken advantage

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incentive that they can Okay, cuz

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someone had asked it.

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landscaping standards in order for our

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residents to be eligible for the rebate

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program through um Central Utah.

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like was being down was that's great.

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uh figure 5-2 it shows available water

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that we have in Payson. Um

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it'd be probably good to let people know

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that uh in Payson we're

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we have a lot of available water and

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they're always worried about water for

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growth. But if you look at how much

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water we're using for what we have

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available coming to us it's we're we're

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in really good shape so I think it'd be

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good to let people know that.

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>> Any further discussion?

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I'll accept a motion on the consent

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agenda.

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>> So moved.

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>> Second.

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by by Councilmember Moss.

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>> Councilmember Proscia, yes.

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>> Here we go again.

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>> Motion carries.

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Chamber of Commerce quarterly report and

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update.

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>> Wow, this is a special one.

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>> Next time it'll actually be in your

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>> While Jim's passing that out, we

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participated with a ribbon cutting

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ceremony with Jim and the council and

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the chamber down at Jersey Mike's this

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morning. What a fun event.

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Thank you, Jim, for your efforts.

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>> Well, you check my first uh bullet

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points.

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>> Now, it was great. We were so excited to

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have them here and they did not know

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that Lowe's was being built in their

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backyard. So, they're pretty excited uh

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to to find out that news. So, that's uh

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that's going to be very good little area

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of commerce right there.

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So, we keep getting better at the

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Chamber of Commerce. I am Jim Rowland,

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the President and CEO of the Chamber of

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Commerce. Um

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and we put together an actual quarterly

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this time around. We meant to get it to

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you a week earlier, so it was in your

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packet. Um so, next quarter, I think

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we'll be able to do that.

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Um just uh to to kind of summarize some

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of the the bullet points in here, um

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we really work hard to impact the

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community as well as our businesses.

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Um and I think you'll see that

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throughout the the packet. Our monthly

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meet and need lunches right now are

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30, 40, sometimes 50 people. Uh we're

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meeting in different locations around

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Um which introduces people to new

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locations that either are new in

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business or new to them. So, uh we've

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done a really good job of of breaking in

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some newer businesses in town.

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Um

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we successfully partnered with Santaquin

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City again to kick off um incredible

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Santaquin Hometown Market um last Monday

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or this past Monday.

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We actually had 62 booths

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including six food trucks, um live

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entertainment, a couple bounce houses.

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Um the crowds actually weren't as big

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this month as they were or this week as

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they were a couple weeks ago where we

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probably pushed well over 1,000 people

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at the first couple events.

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So, the exciting news to report

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is we've agreed with Payson City to pull

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off a Payson

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Hometown Market as well,

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um which we are predicting will be right

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out here on this lovely lawn where we

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can easily get 62 booths and food trucks

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and lots of people to come.

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So, we're excited um to put all that

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together

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um

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starting next year. And um

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we worked with WICP

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um the Payson Central Tech Project

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groundbreaking.

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Um excited for that project. I know you

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guys are very familiar with that.

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Um that's going to really bring in a lot

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of great businesses. Our chamber's

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growing um and highly engaged. We

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welcomed 28 new members this year. We

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have an 89% retention rate

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as we work together with our new staff.

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Which reminds me, I forgot to put in our

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new staff in our quarterly report.

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Probably the best thing that happened in

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our quarter for me. So, we hired two new

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employees, a secretary and a COO,

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Analisa Doneagain and David Rowley.

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And we've been trying to split up the

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responsibilities of operations and

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events,

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which is really going to help us

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progress and grow the chamber and the

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support the businesses.

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And financially, we finished the first

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half of the year in a stable position.

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We generated $46,190

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in total revenue against $44,208

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in expenses.

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Unofficial numbers at this point,

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leaving us with a net positive revenue

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of $1,982.

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And we have

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some events coming up, the Garage to

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Great workshop, which was a big success

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at MTech

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the Payson campus last year. So, we'll

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be doing that on October 22nd.

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And our annual awards gala on February

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4th in Santaquin.

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So, if you can get February 4th on your

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calendars now, then we would love to

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have all of you and of course the mayor

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and our city leaders to

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make time in their schedule to come and

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join us for that

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fund event.

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We worked with Robert to learn a little

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bit about the park tax and

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shared that opportunity at Scottish

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Festival with the residents.

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I would say most people have no idea

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what we're talking about when I bring it

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up.

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Until I tell them all the things that it

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has contributed to.

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So, it really seems like a no-brainer to get that passed, but I think we have

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some education to do to make sure people

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really understand where all that money

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has gone for the last 10 years. Um

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and

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Jersey Mike's, like I said, was a big

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success today, and that is my report.

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So, any questions or comments?

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>> Jim, thank you so much for all the work

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that you do. It is We have a great

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Chamber of Commerce, so done so much

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work

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and a really great group of people, and

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it's an honor for me to serve on that

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board

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just as a

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city council member, but um You guys do

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a great job.

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>> Just yes.

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>> important asset on our board.

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>> [laughter]

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>> Thank you.

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>> Um but you guys are awesome, and

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please tell them all thank you for us.

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>> Thank you.

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Jim. I even see we have a net

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revenue this year, so that's exciting. A

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little better report than last year, so

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>> We're halfway through the year, and we

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haven't received your money yet in the pot, so that should be good for

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the last

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>> [laughter]

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>> The budget's approved, so check's in the

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mail.

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Oh, yes, the city money. I thought you

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were talking about me.

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I was like, don't hold your breath.

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Okay, yeah, yeah. You're in the budget.

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You're good.

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>> You're welcome to join the Chamber

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[laughter] of Commerce, too, you know.

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» Check's in the mail.

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>> good news, so we've worked really hard.

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The grant last year really helped, um

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you know, keep some of our expenses

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down, so

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um we would love to get another grant,

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and hopefully we've got the manpower now

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to go after some more of those,

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which really contributes to the

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communities.

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>> Thank you, Jim.

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Keep up the good work.

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>> Any other Any other questions or

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comments?

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>> Thanks, Jim.

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>> All right. Thank you very much.

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>> Moving on, uh I-15 interchange update is

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Mr. Loveland

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here from UDOT?

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So, I guess we'll continue this again

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>> third time he's canceled on us.

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>> Let me do a quick one though. Um we we

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were able to meet with UDOT last week

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uh giving a little bit of update on some meetings that they've been having

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with the Federal Highways Division.

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Um

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They

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the the state representatives of Federal

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Highways have been reviewing this

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project and they had a few questions

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about our interchange and how it works

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and things like that. Um and they had

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reached out to UDOT to come up with some

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solutions that would avoid having

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further review in DC.

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So, we really appreciated that. As

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Payson City, we appreciate that

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partnership that um UDOT has with the

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Federal Highways Division specifically

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within the state. Um they're going to be

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proposing some possible measures that

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would maybe be needed uh including, you

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know, some sort of barrier at North Main

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Street to prevent left turn lanes into

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or left turn actions into McDonald's if

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you're northbound and things like that

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as a safety precaution just to make sure

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that things are working. It might not be

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necessary, but it those are

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measures that if they were ever needed

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might take place.

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Um they just wanted to get Payson City's

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okay with that. Um

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we we are supportive of that just to

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improve the safety along that area and

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also to encourage

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McDonald's to consider

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a continuation of of that road right

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there. So, we we were supportive of

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that, but basically we just wanted to

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update you all, let you know that that

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was happening, but let you know that

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relationships are really good. So,

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thanks.

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>> I guess the big question is is are we

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still on schedule?

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>> Yes.

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>> It's the big That's the big elephant in

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the room.

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All right. Moving on, number three,

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public forum.

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Anything uh that the citizenry would

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like to to bring before the council that

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is not on the agenda.

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We'd ask you to keep your comments short and concise and

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you're welcome to come forward now if

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you'd state your name.

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Uh

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» State camera forever. Hold my

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>> That's exactly right.

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» I'm I'm Sandy Huff.

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to

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aware of an event that we're doing for

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our community. We do this it's a free

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backpack giveaway and the backpacks are

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filled with school supplies

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and it's for school age children that

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normally would not have the backpacks

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and the supplies to go to school.

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So I have left each of you with

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one of these. It does have

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a QR code and so if you know anybody

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that might

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be in need of help. If you just want to

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pass that information, if you would pass

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that information, then we would really

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appreciate it. We plan to do about 1200

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backpacks each year. So

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I think most of you are familiar with

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Tabitha's.

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So we do uh

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appreciate they this backpack giveaway.

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It will be over at the landmark

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high school in Spanish Fork and they

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also have other services available like

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the

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each year the Lions Club goes over and

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just does eye testing and we can refer

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if anybody needs glasses, then we can

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refer them to a an eye doctor and then

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the the Lions Club works in conjunction

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with them to pay for the exam and the

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glasses. And there are other services

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also that are available over

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at this backpack giveaway. So, we just

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wanted you to be aware that that's what

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we try to do for a neighbor school

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district every year. And if you know

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somebody, then

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um we would like to make sure that

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everybody that needs one gets a chance.

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And we appreciate the support that we

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get from Payson community. Thank you.

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>> Thank you, Sandy.

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>> What a worthy worthy cause.

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Anyone else like to come forward?

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Is there anybody on Zoom

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that's got their hand up?

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Not seeing that we have any other that

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we'll move on to

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council and staff reports.

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Staff?

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» I'll jump up really quick. Um council

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members, a few things um just first of

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all, hopefully all of you saw the

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announcement that uh about our Onion

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Days concert, Aaron Watson will be

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coming. Um we would ask that you promote

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that. Uh we're we're excited this year

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to be uh more participatory in that

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concert, and there's a lot of effort

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that goes into planning that. And uh we

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really appreciate uh the hospital for

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their continued support uh and everybody

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here at Payson City that's been really

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pulling out a lot to do that. Um

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couple other things uh

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we had our First Friday event uh in

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downtown. Several of you were there at

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that. Um probably about over a thousand

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people

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uh for that event. Um

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it it's really great to see the

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community come together for those types

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of things. Um

569
00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,520
if there's any businesses in the sound

570
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:08,600
of my voice, I hope that they

571
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:10,480
participate more in that in the future.

572
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,840
I think it would be great. It's an

573
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,560
awesome opportunity for people to come

574
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:15,320
downtown and and we would love their

575
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,120
participation.

576
00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:19,520
We really appreciate the historic

577
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,960
downtown group for their support of that

578
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:26,560
event. Um the the business retention

579
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,920
committee of the of the economic

580
00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,960
development board.

581
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,960
We are sponsoring an event for small

582
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,600
businesses tomorrow. That's a networking

583
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:40,160
event. It's like a taste of Payson.

584
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:42,360
We've we've sent out over 300

585
00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:45,400
invitations to the Payson community.

586
00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:48,240
It'll be here in this room where we've

587
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,800
invited lots of different food vendors,

588
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,360
restaurants, and everything to come and

589
00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:53,760
just

590
00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,080
bring samples of what they offer and

591
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,560
provide an opportunity for those

592
00:21:57,560 --> 00:21:59,120
businesses to

593
00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:01,280
collaborate, find ways that they can

594
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,680
support each other, and and let let them

595
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,320
know that the city is also very

596
00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:07,920
supportive of all of their efforts, and

597
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,200
we appreciate that. So, that'll be

598
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:10,760
tomorrow

599
00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,400
here in the chamber chambers from 6:30

600
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,200
to 8:00. You're all welcome to attend

601
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,720
that as well. There should be some good

602
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,800
food here. So, we're excited. Um and

603
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,400
then

604
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,560
I can't believe Jim didn't mention this,

605
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:27,600
but planning for the Payson Christmas

606
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,440
Festival has started.

607
00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,680
That was not the Christmas in July I was

608
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:34,840
expecting yesterday, but we're excited

609
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,360
for that. Um that'll be the Saturday

610
00:22:37,360 --> 00:22:40,280
following Thanksgiving.

611
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,440
Again, thinking about different vendors.

612
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:46,960
Last year was hugely successful.

613
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,360
And so, we just want to make sure that

614
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:50,680
that's on your calendar. There'll be a

615
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,400
lot of events. The Um the day before

616
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,320
that will be Santa Dash and lighting of

617
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,320
Patina, and then lighting of the

618
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,240
Christmas tree in downtown the next day.

619
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,160
So, thank you.

620
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,840
>> Thank you.

621
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,360
Any other staff that would like to come

622
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,840
to council?

623
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,520
Not seeing that, we'll go to

624
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,920
council member Moss.

625
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:14,960
>> Okay. Um

626
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,320
I just wanted to say um

627
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,760
how awesome it was to be part of the

628
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,280
Scottish Festival

629
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,200
this last week. Um walked in the I

630
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:26,880
walked in the parade with Bob and the

631
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,160
mayor

632
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:29,480
and

633
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,280
um

634
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,040
waved at a few people. It's always kind

635
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,440
of awkward walking in a parade cuz no one's there to see

636
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,520
you, really. They're just there to see

637
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,000
the bands and their kids and all that

638
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,240
stuff. So,

639
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,360
um but it was just amazing to hear the

640
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,280
bagpipes and see all the community

641
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:52,080
support and um bagpipes are near and dear to my heart. So, that

642
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:53,360
it always gets to you. It's just an

643
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:54,920
emotional sound.

644
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,600
Um but I love that Payson embraces the

645
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,120
Scottish um heritage.

646
00:24:00,120 --> 00:24:02,480
And and then that same night, it was an

647
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,160
honor to go to the fireman's barbecue

648
00:24:04,160 --> 00:24:07,080
and have just the most delicious steak

649
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,520
you have all year. Like it is really good and so um Chief Spencer,

650
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,760
thanks for the invitation and it's

651
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,240
always good to talk to the current and and retired

652
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:21,440
firefighters and EMS people and what a

653
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,120
what an amazing bunch of people.

654
00:24:24,120 --> 00:24:26,160
And it always reminds me my grandpa who

655
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,040
was a firefighter for decades and so

656
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:33,240
just good good people. Um and then last

657
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,760
city council, I wasn't able to be here.

658
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:36,600
I wasn't feeling well. So, I just wanted

659
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,160
to make a comment um

660
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,640
it was

661
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,360
near um the 4th of July and I just

662
00:24:44,360 --> 00:24:46,000
wanted to make a comment on how much I

663
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,360
love our country and freedoms we enjoy

664
00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:49,640
and

665
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:51,640
um I love this flag and I love this

666
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:53,640
country and I'm grateful for all all of

667
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,280
it. So, and thanks to all of our staff

668
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,720
and how amazing you guys are. That's all

669
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:58,960
I've got.

670
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,320
>> Thank you.

671
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,600
Council member Ryan.

672
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,720
>> Thank you, Bob. I want to thank the

673
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,680
uh

674
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,520
the landscaping crews around the city. I

675
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,080
think I think Main Street looks awesome.

676
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,040
The Little Rock stream there that's been

677
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,840
well maintained. All the parks, the the

678
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,520
grass is already recovering from the

679
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,480
Scottish Festival. So really

680
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,760
make sure your crews know that our city

681
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,400
looks really good right now and I'm

682
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:26,920
really proud of them and all the work

683
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,360
they're doing to do those those little

684
00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:29,880
things by straightening up and pulling

685
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,840
weeds and pruning trees.

686
00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,640
I think it looks awesome. I sat down

687
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:35,280
while I was waiting for for lunch and

688
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,800
just watched just the buzz of downtown

689
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,640
Main Street now since since we redid it

690
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,200
and that's continues to have a lot of

691
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,680
potential as we attract businesses that

692
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,600
will will continue to help cultivate

693
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,160
that.

694
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,800
Um I want to I want to thank big time

695
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,400
the Utah Food Bank. I love driving past

696
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,920
the city center and seeing their truck

697
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,080
parked here once a week and all of the families and kids that rely on that

698
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,320
during school time to get meals. I'm so

699
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:02,840
thankful for that.

700
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,320
I did want to put something on the the

701
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:07,120
road radar. I know we have a lot of

702
00:26:07,120 --> 00:26:09,920
needs as far as roads go. Um but add

703
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,800
this to the 3-mile long list.

704
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,280
Uh the railroad tracks on Utah Avenue

705
00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,000
where they've they've they're paved over

706
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,200
just past past I-15. Oh, that's that is

707
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,600
really harsh right now. That that's

708
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:24,560
that needs to be at least filled but

709
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,200
even better

710
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,160
cut out and redone right there. The the

711
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,160
asphalt will never quite be good enough

712
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:31,320
around the railroad tracks. Takes a lot

713
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:32,880
more maintenance.

714
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,480
So I'd like to see that get some

715
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:36,120
attention. That's such a busy road for

716
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:37,320
us and then also we have so much

717
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,720
commercial traffic that goes down that.

718
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:45,840
And a lot of it's with the help of heavy semis and gravel trucks but that asphalt patch job over the railroad

719
00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,160
tracks has failed and that needs to be

720
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,040
looked at. And then I also want to put a

721
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,840
plug in about the road

722
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,560
uh that the West Mountain Church sits on

723
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,520
that's now in Payson City.

724
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,320
Uh I can't remember the the street name

725
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,440
number of that one, but uh but yeah, the

726
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,800
county has repaved

727
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,320
and then it stops and it turns into

728
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,400
Payson City Road. It's a pretty harsh

729
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,600
difference

730
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,680
uh there there past past Hyatts. And so

731
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:13,720
I I would like to see that road paved

732
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:15,200
sooner than later. That needs to be

733
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,640
widened a touch and repaved. We went to

734
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,800
the trouble of annexing it out there. We

735
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,280
cannot forget them. We need to We need to pony up and provide a

736
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,120
better road for them out there

737
00:27:25,120 --> 00:27:27,240
sooner than later.

738
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:29,400
And

739
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:30,600
I think that I know that's all my

740
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,520
complaints tonight, but but really thank

741
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:35,080
you staff and and residents, too. Thank

742
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,280
you all for working so hard and

743
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,680
answering all of our questions and being

744
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,520
so accessible and and and Dave and

745
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,560
Robert, I want to specifically mention

746
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,920
you how timely you are to responding to

747
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,920
us, but also the residents that send

748
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,960
those emails through the various

749
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:51,040
reach out to us through through the

750
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:52,520
various ways. You guys are always really

751
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,160
quick to get back to them and

752
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,160
communicate and and I noticed that. So,

753
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,710
thank you.

754
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,280
» Councilor Friel.

755
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,480
>> I'll just have one thing. It's

756
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,840
somebody's birthday today. I think we

757
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,679
ought to sing happy birthday.

758
00:28:04,679 --> 00:28:07,289
>> [laughter]

759
00:28:07,299 --> 00:28:07,800
[clears throat]

760
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,600
>> Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to

761
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:17,400
you. Happy birthday, dear Lacy. Happy

762
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:23,470
birthday to you.

763
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:25,000
» So nice.

764
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:25,720
Is it my turn?

765
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,960
>> It is, birthday girl.

766
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:29,240
>> Uh yeah.

767
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,000
I uh

768
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,520
this is going to be the most adult thing

769
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:36,360
ever in my 43 years of life. This was my

770
00:28:36,360 --> 00:28:39,440
very first birthday I did not take off

771
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:43,600
for the day and I'm also here. So, uh

772
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,760
I guess I'm officially an adult.

773
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:47,480
>> So.

774
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,960
>> Yes, we all make mistakes. I love

775
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:52,560
birthdays. I was one of seven and your

776
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,680
birthday was your day. So, birthdays are

777
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,830
special, but thank you.

778
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:01,560
So, I was going to say

779
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,960
I'm super excited for Aaron Watson and I

780
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,360
have been pushing that. I used to see

781
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,280
him when I was in my 20s in like

782
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,640
clubs, bars and

783
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,080
he's great. So, whoever picked him, way

784
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,120
to go.

785
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,280
Um we went to the squash festival also

786
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,560
and that was really awesome.

787
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,040
We had really strong community

788
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,400
attendance and

789
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,240
so, just great. Whoever, you know,

790
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,240
everyone that made that a success,

791
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,950
thanks.

792
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,520
I was curious

793
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,520
who we can

794
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,240
even if you tell me who to reach out to,

795
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,440
I will personally do it.

796
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,160
Who can we reach out to to clean up,

797
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,560
beautify our city of political signs

798
00:29:47,560 --> 00:30:04,790
that are still hanging around?

799
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,800
» Sorry, that was one of the most highly

800
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,000
debated amendments this past

801
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,160
session

802
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,760
where they are making cities

803
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,600
hold on to them, so collect them, hold

804
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,640
on to them for at least 2 weeks, try and

805
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:21,440
contact the owners of them and if they

806
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,600
don't come get them, then after a period

807
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:24,920
of time we can finally do something to

808
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:26,560
get rid of them, but

809
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,120
yeah, it's been hotly debated the

810
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,760
placement of them because they want to

811
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,400
be able to place them in the park strips

812
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,600
and if you allow the political signs, we

813
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,120
can't stop

814
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,480
other real estate

815
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,080
business and other things. So, it's

816
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:43,440
still hotly contested and I think

817
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:44,880
they'll come back to it again this this

818
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,320
session. But

819
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,640
>> We can see if we can grab them off the

820
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,040
pole.

821
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,280
>> Okay. Like if I spot one, I can just

822
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:51,840
shoot an email or

823
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,080
>> Both.

824
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,040
>> Okay. I'll send you a message. Yeah, I

825
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:55,480
just

826
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:56,480
>> We're obligated to keep them for at

827
00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:57,880
least 2 weeks and

828
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,960
>> Well, the election was was 3 weeks ago.

829
00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:01,640
So, the time limit is up.

830
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,640
>> So, the our city has kept them. Our city

831
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:04,920
property has kept them.

832
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,080
>> Well, but aren't we still in election

833
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,560
cycle cuz we haven't had the election?

834
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,520
We had the primary, but

835
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,960
>> But those that those that were defeated

836
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,440
>> Yeah, our ones that have been defeated.

837
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:16,960
Yeah.

838
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:18,160
>> holding out hope, right?

839
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,760
>> They're just Well, it's usually the the

840
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,200
it should be the responsibility of the

841
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,840
person that puts it out. And and the

842
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,400
bigger the election, the more they just

843
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,200
give signs out to people that support

844
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,840
them. And so, maybe some of those people

845
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,440
just aren't forgetting, but There's some

846
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,360
really big ones.

847
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,280
Yeah. So.

848
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:35,760
>> I think what they need to do is put

849
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,520
something in legislation that they get

850
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,560
fined for each sign the city picks up

851
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,720
because the city has to do that work,

852
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:43,720
then they ought to pay for it.

853
00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:44,520
>> Yeah.

854
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:45,560
Um

855
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:46,560
And then I just have two more things.

856
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,440
The other was I wanted to specifically,

857
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,480
I'm going to super make him maybe red,

858
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,000
thank Robert.

859
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,600
I met with him the other day and I I

860
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,840
went in there with seriously less than

861
00:31:59,840 --> 00:32:01,440
30 minutes and

862
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,400
like

863
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:03,760
thinking.

864
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,640
And I was there for an hour and a half.

865
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,440
And he is just so incredibly helpful.

866
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:10,840
He's always so thoughtful in his

867
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,360
responses.

868
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,320
I truly feel like every time I speak

869
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,080
with you, you listen to everything that

870
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,360
I say and you, even if you don't have an

871
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,080
answer, you're writing it down and you

872
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,440
always get back to me. So, I just I'm

873
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:22,960
really thankful.

874
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,240
Um and then the last thing

875
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:26,600
I didn't really want to have to say this

876
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,400
on my birthday, but

877
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,520
um

878
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,600
I would just want to do address a

879
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:31,920
concern and I hope this is the right

880
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,960
place. So, a concern was brought to my

881
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,560
attention

882
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,080
um that they were informed that

883
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,480
comments from our June 17th meeting,

884
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,680
which was the budget meeting,

885
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,720
um, has led many city employees to

886
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,800
believe that I do not respect them and

887
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,520
do not believe that they deserve raises.

888
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:55,880
Um, I'm very thankful that all of our

889
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,160
meetings are recorded so that we can

890
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,680
review exactly what I said.

891
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:01,920
And

892
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,440
when that came to my attention, I said,

893
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,320
"That is not what I said." And I pulled

894
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,160
it up right then and um, my comments

895
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,600
were simply that there may be years when

896
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,120
based on the city's financial

897
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,040
circumstances and the challenges that

898
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,720
our residents are facing, I may not be

899
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,440
able to support a salary increase.

900
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,640
Um, that's a fiscal decision. It's not a

901
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,920
reflection on my respect or appreciation

902
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,440
for any city employee. I value the work

903
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,880
of every employee and I really

904
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,160
appreciate all that you guys do for and

905
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,600
all of they do for the community.

906
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:37,000
Um, I think everyone up here knows that

907
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,280
serving as a city council member, you

908
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,440
make a lot of difficult decisions.

909
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,520
And not everyone's ever going to agree

910
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,600
with what I say or what my vote is, um,

911
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,000
but different opinions are healthy and

912
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,920
they should never be mistaken for a lack

913
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,080
of respect. And so I just want to put it

914
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,720
out there that if any resident or city

915
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,760
employee ever has questions about

916
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,560
something that I say or how I voted, I

917
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,960
really encourage you to come to me,

918
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,720
um, directly. I'm happy to have a

919
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,680
respectful conversation, provide any

920
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,159
clarification.

921
00:34:09,159 --> 00:34:11,760
But open communication, I think everyone

922
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:12,960
believes

923
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:13,960
and

924
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,280
that it helps prevent misunderstandings

925
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,879
like that and helps us stay focused on

926
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:21,000
our town and what we're all really

927
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,919
trying to do. So, I just really wanted

928
00:34:22,919 --> 00:34:25,040
to put that out there cuz

929
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:28,520
it was a kind of a shock when that

930
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,320
employee said, "I heard you don't

931
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,919
respect us and you don't think that we

932
00:34:31,919 --> 00:34:34,040
deserve a raise and

933
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,679
it was really

934
00:34:35,679 --> 00:34:37,760
kind of the first blow of

935
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,080
being in the city council being like

936
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,200
that is not what I said. So, anyway, I

937
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:42,720
respect you all, everyone that's in this

938
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:44,440
room, everyone that's not in this room.

939
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,760
I truly do and I'm always open to talk

940
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,320
to anyone and I'm a very open book. So,

941
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,360
that's it.

942
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,280
>> Thank you. Thank you.

943
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,600
Uh I I would just give a shout out Dave

944
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,159
and Robert if you could. I think there

945
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,720
was two departments involved with the

946
00:34:58,720 --> 00:35:03,800
demolition of the old Dixon meat uh facility.

947
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,280
It looks awesome.

948
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:05,840
Uh

949
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,680
waiting to see what we're going to put

950
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,720
there.

951
00:35:08,720 --> 00:35:10,880
Uh I'm sure we've got a lot of uses and

952
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,360
a lot of people grabbing for it, but it

953
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,400
looks awesome and cleaned up.

954
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:16,440
Uh

955
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:17,720
>> Yeah, Dave

956
00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:19,560
>> Well,

957
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,080
he swung the track all around one time.

958
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,680
Uh other than that, I I appreciate Brad,

959
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,520
his officers going around and

960
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:30,960
helping the beautification committee

961
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:32,280
with what we're trying to accomplish

962
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:33,480
right now.

963
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,520
I received uh

964
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,080
on that letter, I think I've received

965
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:38,600
five comments.

966
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,800
Five uh

967
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,440
things with the letters that we've that

968
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,520
we've sent out and they've all been very

969
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,800
positive with the exception of I did

970
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,640
mine and I'm grateful to do it cuz I'm a

971
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,320
Payson City resident, but

972
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,680
and then they would give an address of

973
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:55,360
somebody that really need Did you send a

974
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:56,840
letter to them?

975
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,920
So,

976
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,640
we're not just not singling people out.

977
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:07,670
We're just trying to do a do a take pride in Payson campaign.

978
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,040
» And then I have one one more thing I

979
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,680
forgot. We had made up some park tax

980
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,400
plaques to put on things that Have those

981
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,120
been installed?

982
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,560
Okay, very good. That is that that was

983
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:20,040
really awesome. They looked really good.

984
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,320
>> I really appreciated Lacy's uh comments

985
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,000
uh

986
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,320
education on on the park tax.

987
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,280
That was very, very good.

988
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,920
>> Put out and I'll keep sharing that, too.

989
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,160
Yeah.

990
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,520
>> Moving on.

991
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,520
Item number E, action items. We have an

992
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,360
ordinance amendment to Payson City Code

993
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,840
2.52.040,

994
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:44,040
Economic Development Board.

995
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:50,110
Brandon, you're up.

996
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,120
» So, Mayor Pro Tem and Council, this

997
00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:56,080
proposed amendment is intended to

998
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,680
simplify the process for

999
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,120
the Economic Development Board to select

1000
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,880
their members. In the past, it's been

1001
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,200
very difficult to get the whole

1002
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:07,480
committee together to

1003
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,200
constitute a quorum to interview, make

1004
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:13,720
the selections, and recommend someone to

1005
00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:15,840
the council for approval. So, by

1006
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,560
amending the code to allow the um

1007
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,160
the city manager,

1008
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,400
the um

1009
00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,480
the board chair,

1010
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,800
or their designees, and

1011
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,000
um

1012
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,360
the Development Services Director or

1013
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,120
their designee to meet, just those

1014
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,600
three, it allows um

1015
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,440
it to move faster,

1016
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,520
to be a simpler process, and um

1017
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,040
get those recommendations and interviews

1018
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,800
done a lot quicker. So, it would be to

1019
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:45,680
not require the full committee to make a

1020
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,360
bigger quorum, but a smaller quorum.

1021
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,080
But, still go through the process.

1022
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,600
>> Any discussion by the council?

1023
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:52,480
>> I

1024
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:53,640
I'm trying to hurry and

1025
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,520
>> Pull up the uh

1026
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,160
I did have a question on uh regarding

1027
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,800
the appointment.

1028
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,680
Oh, shoot. Where did I

1029
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,720
um

1030
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,200
It said that the a member of the City

1031
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,000
Council

1032
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,400
sits on that

1033
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,480
board, and that's decided by the City

1034
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:15,920
Council.

1035
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,440
I thought perhaps that should probably

1036
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,280
be a decision made by the mayor of which

1037
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,520
City Council member sits on that board.

1038
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,320
Is that not how we've been doing it?

1039
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:24,971
Mhm.

1040
00:38:24,971 --> 00:38:25,120
>> [clears throat]

1041
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:26,680
>> That is a good question. I don't know

1042
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,760
how we have been doing it.

1043
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,760
>> I have to think the last time

1044
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,360
it might be on the council assignments

1045
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,880
that the mayor sends out.

1046
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,200
>> I I I believe that is

1047
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,040
>> It is. So,

1048
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,360
>> It's an assignment the mayor makes.

1049
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,120
>> I think that should remain an assignment

1050
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:40,360
that the mayor makes.

1051
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:41,680
>> I agree.

1052
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,680
>> Rather than us deciding which council

1053
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,280
member to go on, I think it should that

1054
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,040
should be at the mayor's discretion of

1055
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,840
which city council members appointed to

1056
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,320
that economic board.

1057
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,880
>> Cuz he makes the decision for all the

1058
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,040
other stuff that he appoints us to.

1059
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:55,600
>> Yeah.

1060
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,120
>> Does any of the council have any

1061
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,640
>> But on the committee vote, the the

1062
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,000
committee itself like those that we

1063
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,560
interview,

1064
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,240
we we make recommendation but it it all

1065
00:39:04,240 --> 00:39:06,360
comes to city council for approval of

1066
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,200
the appointment.

1067
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:09,160
>> So, then yeah, it's certainly

1068
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:10,600
>> But I'm talking about the just city

1069
00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:12,880
council member that's that's on that

1070
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:13,400
board.

1071
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:14,320
>> Yeah.

1072
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,600
>> Okay.

1073
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:18,720
Council, all good with that?

1074
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:21,720
Then I would accept a motion.

1075
00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:23,080
>> I'll make a motion that we accept the

1076
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:25,040
amendment to the Pace City Code Economic

1077
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Development Board and with the inclusion

1078
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,000
of that uh

1079
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,480
mayor makes appointment of the

1080
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:33,040
uh

1081
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:34,440
city council representative to the

1082
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:35,440
board.

1083
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:36,840
>> I'll second.

1084
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,920
>> I have a motion and a second. Roll call

1085
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:40,920
vote. Si- uh

1086
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:42,240
Council member Smith.

1087
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:43,000
>> Yes.

1088
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:43,880
>> Council member Hewlett.

1089
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:44,360
>> Yes.

1090
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:45,320
>> Council member Rowley.

1091
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:45,880
>> Yes.

1092
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,120
>> Council member Probst Guard. Yes.

1093
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:49,080
Council member Moss.

1094
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:49,920
>> Yes.

1095
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:52,400
>> Motion carries.

1096
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,080
Item number two,

1097
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,760
resolution of the Dinkin- Dinkins

1098
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,080
annexation petition for consideration of

1099
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,280
further review located at approximately

1100
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,200
933 South 650 West consisting of 10.865

1101
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,840
acres. Michael.

1102
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:10,480
>> Emily wanted me to point out that

1103
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,960
address is somehow addressed to Salem

1104
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,760
even though they're unincorporated, so I

1105
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,400
don't know. She pulled it up from the

1106
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,240
county parcel map and that's the address

1107
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:20,000
I gave, so.

1108
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:20,880
>> Okay.

1109
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,320
>> Anyway, the area the map I show you will definitely put

1110
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:45,870
it in perspective where this is.

1111
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,760
Okay.

1112
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,840
Um so, tonight it's just a consideration

1113
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,680
for further review on the parcels noted

1114
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:54,640
there.

1115
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,800
Um the applicant is

1116
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,160
has approximately 10.865 acres

1117
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,640
and they're asking for the R110 zoning

1118
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:06,440
designation with this annexation

1119
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,840
request. So, council's role tonight

1120
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,840
would just be whether to accept or deny

1121
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,640
this annexation request for further

1122
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:13,720
review.

1123
00:41:13,720 --> 00:41:16,000
Um if accepted, then staff would begin

1124
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,880
to work with the application sponsor and do all of the processes related to

1125
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,640
an annexation request.

1126
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:24,720
So,

1127
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:35,110
we'll zoom in here for you.

1128
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,600
That is the parcel there.

1129
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,640
Um as you can see, if you're familiar

1130
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,040
with the subdivision to the west, that's

1131
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,400
uh Quail Mountain right there, so.

1132
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,760
Um

1133
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:48,360
and I don't know what that county road

1134
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,640
is, but for us it would be 1500 East if

1135
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,440
that eastern boundary was in the city,

1136
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,520
so.

1137
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:56,880
That kind of puts it in perspective for

1138
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,560
you, the area.

1139
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:00,840
Um

1140
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:02,480
so, staff has seen several requests for

1141
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:05,080
annexation in this area. Each request is

1142
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,240
for a relatively small

1143
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:10,440
um area of consideration, and so our

1144
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,800
concerns center around all of these

1145
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,520
bullet points

1146
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:16,240
um for each of these requests, not just

1147
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:17,760
this one being requested tonight, but I

1148
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,080
just wanted to bring it up to you. So,

1149
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:21,520
when we get a small request, it's

1150
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,680
difficult to properly plan for

1151
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:25,920
utilities, including whether or not to

1152
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,760
have a regional or a small private lift

1153
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,200
station,

1154
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,760
transportation network, our block

1155
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,080
lengths and our city grids,

1156
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,360
connectivity to adjacent properties

1157
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,640
within and without the city boundaries.

1158
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:42,480
Um and then application sponsors

1159
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,360
typically only want to micro focus on

1160
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:48,000
the properties that they are wanting to

1161
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,200
have considered for annexation.

1162
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,960
Um and this makes it difficult and

1163
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,640
inefficient for

1164
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:54,280
um

1165
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:56,280
us to plan utilities, roads,

1166
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,000
neighborhood connectivity, emergency

1167
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,280
response.

1168
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,760
That being said, uh I wanted to share a

1169
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,160
map with you of

1170
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,120
this request and then the other requests

1171
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:10,800
we've had recently in this area.

1172
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,520
So,

1173
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:18,790
this first one,

1174
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:23,230
I'm something weird. There we go.

1175
00:43:23,240 --> 00:43:24,800
This is the Dinkins one, which we were

1176
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,750
just uh showing on the earlier map.

1177
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,280
This is the Braithwaite annexation

1178
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:41,310
that's currently under consideration.

1179
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,040
My computer thinks it has to be smarter

1180
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,080
than me. Okay.

1181
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:48,280
Um this is the the Ludine Mark and

1182
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,280
Marjorie Haskell annexation under

1183
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,640
review.

1184
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,720
Down here at the bottom in blue is the

1185
00:43:54,720 --> 00:43:56,480
Haskell annexation that's currently

1186
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,280
under review.

1187
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,080
And then we've received uh phone calls

1188
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,120
and had conversations about parcels in

1189
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,400
purple

1190
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,920
as a possible additional annexations to

1191
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,080
be brought for the

1192
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,760
uh city council to consider for further

1193
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:13,920
review.

1194
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,520
So, as you can see, there's a lot of

1195
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,920
interest in this area to consider for

1196
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,600
annexation.

1197
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:25,560
Any questions about any of these so far?

1198
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:26,880
>> Um go ahead, Lacey.

1199
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,480
>> Oh, I was I don't know if now's the time

1200
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,400
for my question. Um I'm just

1201
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,400
curious like what the process is of cuz

1202
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,760
this is putting a lot of stress on you

1203
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,480
guys, I assume, of having so many

1204
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,360
different ones instead of all of them

1205
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:42,960
getting together. Like and I also know

1206
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,040
that the East Side Plan does ask that we

1207
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,040
they don't do this sporadic. So, I just

1208
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,800
didn't know what the process is. Like is

1209
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,600
this normal? Like for me not knowing.

1210
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,120
>> I would say this is fairly typical

1211
00:44:56,120 --> 00:45:00,000
because people tend to be approached by

1212
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,920
developers and individuals wanting to

1213
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,240
develop and

1214
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:03,680
>> Okay.

1215
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,000
>> they sweeten the pot of what's going to

1216
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,320
what they're going to pay if they get

1217
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,840
annexed. And so, um it's usually a

1218
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:11,880
snowball effect, that sort of a thing.

1219
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:12,400
>> Okay.

1220
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,520
>> We always tell anyone that talks to us

1221
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,480
to to look at adjacent properties and

1222
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:18,640
try to

1223
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,120
gather as many as they can when they're

1224
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,520
considering an annexation request. That

1225
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,920
doesn't necessarily happen, but

1226
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,840
>> I just worry about the yeah, like you

1227
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,560
guys being stretched a little bit with

1228
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,120
so much, but I just didn't know if it is

1229
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:35,880
affecting you guys or not, so.

1230
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:36,320
>> Thank you.

1231
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,520
>> I have one question, Michael. The The

1232
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,840
general plan calls That's all on R1A out

1233
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:42,680
there, correct?

1234
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:43,920
>> I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.

1235
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:46,400
>> The general plan calls for an R1A in

1236
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,000
that entire area.

1237
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,480
>> No, so there's the East Side

1238
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,800
Comprehensive Plan that covers this

1239
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,280
area.

1240
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:53,920
>> Right.

1241
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,600
>> And the East Side Comprehensive Plan

1242
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,400
going from

1243
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,440
um 100 South there at the top of the the

1244
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:01,520
highest purple one,

1245
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,120
>> Mhm.

1246
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,840
>> um down to Salem Canal Road, the

1247
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,840
majority of that area is designated as

1248
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,440
what's called traditional.

1249
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:09,800
>> Yeah.

1250
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:12,560
>> Which is in the size category of a third

1251
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,840
to a quarter acre lots.

1252
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,520
>> Is the Isn't the planning commission uh

1253
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,600
Didn't they recently refer staff to

1254
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,560
reevaluate the Eastside comprehensive

1255
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,240
plan to align it with the general plan?

1256
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:28,040
>> Um only for some property I'm going to

1257
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:30,200
use my cursor only for property where my

1258
00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:31,960
cursor is right here.

1259
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,440
That was a a zone change requested an

1260
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,080
applicant brought forward and so they

1261
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,680
made that recommendation um

1262
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,000
for a change to what currently that area

1263
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,400
was called um

1264
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,080
>> active living, which is 55-plus type

1265
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,560
community. Um and the recommendation by

1266
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,160
planning commission was to change that

1267
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,440
to the district, which would allow for a

1268
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:55,000
variety of housing sizes and types.

1269
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,440
>> But that was only for that particular

1270
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:56,640
parcel.

1271
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,160
>> So that's already in Payson city

1272
00:46:58,160 --> 00:46:58,920
boundaries.

1273
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:59,360
>> Correct.

1274
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,960
>> And so the these these uh

1275
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,200
these parcels in question specifically

1276
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:04,760
uh

1277
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:09,040
Dinkins uh that one is zoned R110

1278
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,520
according to the plan.

1279
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:12,840
>> It doesn't have a zoning cuz it's in the

1280
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,920
county, but the designation that the

1281
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,080
plan says would be that traditional,

1282
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,120
which is the third to a quarter acre.

1283
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,120
>> Okay.

1284
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:21,960
But typically when we annex, we bring

1285
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,240
them into a holding zone until they they

1286
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:24,880
bring a developer.

1287
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,480
>> Um we've done both. It just depends on

1288
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,600
what council feels comfortable with.

1289
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:33,030
>> Okay.

1290
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,160
Any other questions by the council?

1291
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,960
Does the property uh

1292
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,360
Could we go back to just highlighting

1293
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:41,680
the Dinkins

1294
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:42,560
uh

1295
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,480
request cuz that's what we're we're

1296
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:47,080
specifically talking about. Thank you.

1297
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,040
Um

1298
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:49,600
do we know with this with this

1299
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,960
particular parcel require a private lift

1300
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,440
station to handle the sewage?

1301
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,000
I know we don't know definitively uh but

1302
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,040
>> Um from what I understand, Travis is not

1303
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,600
here, but from what I understand, we

1304
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,560
don't know that. If it can flow to

1305
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:06,680
um

1306
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:10,160
Quail Mountain, then no, but

1307
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,600
we don't have definitive information to

1308
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:13,360
know that yet.

1309
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,280
>> The Quail Mountain lift station is

1310
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,760
private. Correct. So, they would have to

1311
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,240
I agree have allowed more sewage.

1312
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:21,240
>> They may even have to upsize that one,

1313
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:24,790
so.

1314
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,800
The staff preference on this would be

1315
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:31,120
for it to flow north to 100 South. Um

1316
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:34,240
but that would also not necessarily

1317
00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:36,280
this property and and the density that

1318
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,200
they would propose, but from what I

1319
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:39,720
understand what Travis said to us

1320
00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:42,280
yesterday is everything in this area

1321
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:47,000
flows to a lift station north of SR-198,

1322
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,320
and that's at capacity. I don't know

1323
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,400
that

1324
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:51,600
whatever number of homes that could go

1325
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,480
in here would put it beyond capacity,

1326
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,920
but but he's did say it is at capacity

1327
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:56,560
now.

1328
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:59,040
>> And that road, if I'm correct, is going

1329
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,720
to be the Payson Parkway.

1330
00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:03,680
>> Yes, that one that's on the east border

1331
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,440
of the the yellow square, yes.

1332
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,200
>> Yes. And so, does does this request or

1333
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,080
are are we even far enough down down the

1334
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,800
road, so no pun intended, uh to require

1335
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,560
road dedication?

1336
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:16,640
>> I think that's a very valid uh thing to

1337
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,920
consider with an annexation. We we've

1338
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:21,680
talked to the other properties um on

1339
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,520
that Ludine, Mark Haskell one about that

1340
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,680
very thing, and I think that it would be

1341
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,160
prudent to consider that with this

1342
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,710
property as well.

1343
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:33,320
» So, one thing is we're looking at these

1344
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:34,880
uh since there's quite a few different

1345
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:37,320
parcels, smaller parcels,

1346
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,600
and they're they're under further

1347
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:41,360
review, except for this we haven't voted

1348
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:45,040
on yet, but um can we say that they need

1349
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:46,920
to work together, so we kind of plan

1350
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,440
this whole area because they're under

1351
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,440
further review, so can we tell them this

1352
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,920
is what we far as our further review,

1353
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,760
you've got to come together and have a

1354
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,120
plan for this area, lift station, water,

1355
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,120
roads and things like that.

1356
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:02,120
>> We expect that anyway, but having that

1357
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,200
voiced from the council, especially in

1358
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,040
this setting where where if you're going

1359
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:07,360
to consider it for further review and

1360
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,120
you voice it from the bench, I think

1361
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,160
that holds an additional weight, so that

1362
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,720
would be very valuable.

1363
00:50:12,720 --> 00:50:14,440
>> Because of the

1364
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,680
uh the low the low score that staff gave

1365
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,160
it, um I'm I'm hesitant to approve it

1366
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,240
for for for future review, uh except for

1367
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:23,520
the fact it does meet the size

1368
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,840
requirement. However, I feel strongly,

1369
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,040
too. I would feel uncomfortable

1370
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,000
approving this

1371
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:34,040
uh at the final stance uh because of the chopped up nature of all the other

1372
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:36,800
surrounding parcels as well and uh the

1373
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:38,360
strains that puts on the rest of

1374
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,840
residents to try to subsidize and

1375
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,040
subdivide and help someone develop their

1376
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,880
individual small little pieces when they

1377
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,000
could all just bring this in, work

1378
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,680
together, make it bigger, make it flow.

1379
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:50,200
That way we don't have a bunch of little

1380
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:51,760
blotchy little

1381
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,360
tons of different neighborhoods with

1382
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:55,800
different uh housing styles and such and

1383
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,880
road connections and sewer lift stations

1384
00:50:57,880 --> 00:50:59,280
and utilities.

1385
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,560
The thing we need to remember is for

1386
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,320
each one of these small parcels that is

1387
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:05,480
annexed, uh while we have impact fees to

1388
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:07,560
try to absorb some of that cost, all of

1389
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,240
us uh

1390
00:51:09,240 --> 00:51:11,080
bite the bullet to run utilities and

1391
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:16,120
power and roads. And so, you know, the the hidden blessing of doing the

1392
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,840
smaller ones is we usually have less

1393
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,040
density,

1394
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,760
uh which is a good thing, especially in

1395
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,080
this area, uh but my fear is if we keep

1396
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:24,960
approving all of these little small ones

1397
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:26,960
everywhere, it's we're opening the can

1398
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,960
of worms. It's already opened.

1399
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,960
And uh and they're getting smaller and and then pretty soon we're

1400
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:34,920
approving things for two or three houses

1401
00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:37,240
or four houses and that just does does

1402
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:39,040
not pencil out for the residents and

1403
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:40,680
it's not fair for the residents to

1404
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,200
subsidize someone's small development.

1405
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,520
So, for this council member, uh Uh,

1406
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:48,120
speaking for myself, uh if if we're

1407
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,520
going to move forward with this, these

1408
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,160
property owners need to get on the same

1409
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:53,440
page and work together and create a plan

1410
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,760
that flows well specifically for roads

1411
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,680
and utilities uh, to make it fair for

1412
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,240
all of the Pace residents and to make

1413
00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:01,880
this work better than a bunch of little

1414
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,160
chopped up

1415
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,830
different neighborhoods.

1416
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:08,200
» I disagree.

1417
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:09,920
I am respectfully.

1418
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:10,600
Uh,

1419
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,040
I remember the day when we were excited

1420
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,320
to get one and two acre

1421
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:16,600
uh,

1422
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,880
annexation requests.

1423
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,800
The things that have been put in place

1424
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,520
since that day

1425
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,640
uh, of of a

1426
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,960
staff review of not only roadways but

1427
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,240
sewer lines, power lines, water lines.

1428
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:32,680
I mean, we pretty well already know

1429
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,200
what's going out there as far as roads.

1430
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,360
Uh, it's pretty self-explanatory and for

1431
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:38,520
staff

1432
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,080
to be able to have the opportunity to

1433
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,520
look at it

1434
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,840
upon a request gives us a bigger picture

1435
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,280
of what we need to do

1436
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,040
beyond that particular annexation.

1437
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:50,720
Uh,

1438
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:53,280
I would love to see everybody

1439
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,400
uh, to the left of

1440
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,480
where that yellow is, all that to the

1441
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,920
left come in at the same time.

1442
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,280
But, we don't have the right to tell

1443
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:02,880
property owners what they can and can't

1444
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:03,800
do

1445
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,560
with their property and if they request

1446
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:08,840
annexation, I believe we have the right

1447
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:11,120
or we have the responsibility

1448
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,640
to at least let staff know us let us

1449
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,160
know if it's feasible.

1450
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,200
And and will meet

1451
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:24,830
the quality of roads and the quality of services that we need to provide.

1452
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,120
So, this is just this is just uh, if I

1453
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,480
read it right, it is just a

1454
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,160
consideration for further review which

1455
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,560
puts if we so likely vote for this

1456
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,120
it puts the wheels in motion for a

1457
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,880
council staff and engineering to look at

1458
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:41,120
it. Is that correct?

1459
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,270
>> That's correct.

1460
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:47,560
» Any other discussion?

1461
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,400
>> I I just encourage the property owners

1462
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,640
again um

1463
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,240
that let's work together on this. This

1464
00:53:53,240 --> 00:53:55,320
area already has enough cul-de-sacs as

1465
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:57,920
we can see on this map. Uh and and

1466
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:00,080
that's because there was no future

1467
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:01,080
thought to the road. You're just

1468
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,240
thinking of the the four squares within

1469
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:04,960
your own parcel, which I get and you

1470
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,920
absolutely have the right to to ask to

1471
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:08,160
do whatever you want with your parcel.

1472
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:10,760
We we also hold the right to

1473
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:11,560
uh

1474
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,280
to take that and review and say yes or

1475
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,920
no and and uh I I wonder about the

1476
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:17,400
timeliness of all these coming in

1477
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:21,000
separately. So, that's my concern. Uh I don't have a lot of heartburn

1478
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:22,960
approving it for further

1479
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:25,240
uh in further consideration,

1480
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:26,920
uh but with all these coming at me

1481
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:28,720
separately with the the knowledge I have

1482
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:30,200
now, I wouldn't feel comfortable voting

1483
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,630
for any one of them particularly.

1484
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:38,350
» Any further discussion?

1485
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,040
No further discussion. I'll accept a

1486
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:40,640
>> motion.

1487
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:42,680
>> I'll make a motion that we approve the

1488
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:44,600
Dinkins annexation petition for

1489
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:46,960
consideration for further review uh

1490
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,000
located at whatever the address is, the

1491
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:51,400
right address.

1492
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:52,440
Um

1493
00:54:52,440 --> 00:54:54,200
>> You could state the parcel number.

1494
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,760
>> I don't have the parcel number, so

1495
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,920
Anyway, the one that's up on the on the

1496
00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:01,320
screen.

1497
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,960
Um but I do uh since there's other ones

1498
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,520
have been uh for further review also

1499
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:08,840
that uh

1500
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:10,200
that they

1501
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,960
try to work together and make this a all

1502
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:15,960
these parcels kind of work together. So,

1503
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,240
just uh that's not a requirement, but

1504
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:21,040
it's highly recommended.

1505
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,680
>> Particularly for the city, I I agree,

1506
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:25,120
Brian. I would just say particularly for

1507
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,120
the city to consider

1508
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,960
uh they work together. I have a motion.

1509
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:30,880
>> I'll second.

1510
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:32,240
>> I have a second.

1511
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:40,030
Council member Smith.

1512
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,760
» I'm going to say no only because I voted

1513
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,000
no on the other ones and I feel like

1514
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,640
they're kind of the same reason, so no.

1515
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:47,440
>> Council member Youle?

1516
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:48,600
>> Yes.

1517
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:49,480
>> Council member Rouleau?

1518
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:50,320
>> Yes.

1519
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,600
>> Council member Perusich? Yes. Council

1520
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:53,480
member Moss?

1521
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:54,280
>> Yes.

1522
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,520
>> Motion carries.

1523
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,240
Item number three.

1524
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:01,600
Resolution approving the first amendment

1525
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:03,280
to the Villages at Arrowhead Park

1526
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,160
development agreement.

1527
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,190
Michael, you're still up.

1528
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,480
» Okay.

1529
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:13,080
Um so tonight um

1530
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,680
what's being considered is an amendment

1531
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,520
to an existing development agreement

1532
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,360
that's already in place.

1533
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,000
Um the applicant seeks to allow the

1534
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:24,520
flexibility of having an option of

1535
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,600
three-story twin homes and town homes in

1536
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,440
the property. Currently, it only allows

1537
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:30,960
two-story.

1538
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:32,480
Um

1539
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,080
so tonight it's

1540
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,320
city council will be making that

1541
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:36,840
decision, approval or denial of the

1542
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,280
requested development agreement

1543
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,680
amendment.

1544
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,000
Um

1545
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:42,720
giving you a quick zoom in on this cuz

1546
00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,600
everybody loves it when we zoom in on on

1547
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,120
these locations.

1548
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:47,960
>> This is helpful.

1549
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,280
>> And it is.

1550
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,320
So it is there where my cursor is. I

1551
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,000
think I have more things that Okay, so

1552
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:59,320
uh that was a horrible color to use.

1553
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:00,160
Um

1554
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,760
but [laughter]

1555
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,360
the reason why that color is that way is

1556
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,360
so it matches the color that's of the

1557
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:09,400
text on the side there. So this was the

1558
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:10,400
>> the

1559
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,360
>> area that uh is included in the

1560
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,200
development agreement is that um

1561
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:17,560
odd-shaped

1562
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,760
parcel there surrounded in the yellow

1563
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,640
hashed line.

1564
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,760
Um so it's further broken down into a

1565
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,040
phase one and a phase two.

1566
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,760
So phase one is here

1567
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,920
and this is currently under construction

1568
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,520
with uh townhomes and twin homes in uh

1569
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:40,400
the two-story uh high capacities.

1570
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,480
Uh so phase three would be or sorry,

1571
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:45,080
phase two would be the rest of it.

1572
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,960
All of that area that's highlighted in

1573
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,200
red.

1574
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:49,280
Um

1575
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:50,960
so the applicant, like I said before, is

1576
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,320
seeking to amend the agreement to allow

1577
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,120
that flexibility of two and three-story

1578
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,400
twin and townhomes. Uh the current

1579
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,960
prospective buyer intends to build all

1580
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,680
three-story units if if this amendment

1581
00:58:03,680 --> 00:58:06,000
is approved.

1582
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:07,600
>> So it wouldn't wouldn't be a mix. It

1583
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:08,960
would be all or nothing.

1584
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:13,160
>> So the the app the applicant is um

1585
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:14,560
the

1586
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,880
property current property owners

1587
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:18,720
uh the original developers of the

1588
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:21,480
property and if they for some reason

1589
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:22,560
things don't work out with the

1590
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,200
prospective buyer, they still want the

1591
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,640
flexibility to have both. And so that's

1592
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,000
why they had the language written the

1593
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,190
way they they did.

1594
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:32,800
These are um

1595
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,160
current housing product uh examples that

1596
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,320
are going on in phase one of the

1597
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:40,720
development. As you can see the

1598
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:46,150
townhomes and the twin homes there.

1599
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:47,960
These are some sample housing products

1600
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:49,440
if the request for the amendment is

1601
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,080
approved would be for the phase two.

1602
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,640
Uh so you can see the townhome examples

1603
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:58,440
there on the left and the twin home

1604
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,790
examples on the right.

1605
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:04,160
» This is there um

1606
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:04,520
>> Sorry.

1607
00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:06,320
>> some of the surrounding uh development

1608
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,000
that's already there. Uh what is the

1609
00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:09,920
height of those buildings? Are they

1610
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,680
three?

1611
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,160
>> The ones that are in that that uh

1612
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,880
northern portion, phase one, those are

1613
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:17,720
two. Um

1614
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,520
immediately to the north beyond the

1615
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,080
road, I believe they're getting into

1616
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:23,960
three-story there.

1617
00:59:23,960 --> 00:59:26,600
>> There's apartments and then there are

1618
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,520
townhomes to

1619
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,240
>> some Yeah, there's some some town homes

1620
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:31,880
to the west that are three stories.

1621
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,190
>> ones.

1622
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:36,840
Three and two story. They kind of like

1623
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:41,440
>> Is Is this a market-driven decision? Is Is

1624
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,000
there a need for

1625
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,120
additional square footage?

1626
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:46,600
>> Does this increase density by allowing

1627
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:47,080
taller

1628
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,360
>> No. No, it doesn't Well, I mean, it

1629
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,280
would allow for larger home units,

1630
00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:54,080
potentially four

1631
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:55,080
uh bedroom units.

1632
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:55,880
>> Not more bedrooms.

1633
00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,560
>> not that increases density

1634
00:59:57,560 --> 00:59:59,760
is determined on who's using the

1635
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:00,960
property.

1636
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,160
Um

1637
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:05,120
but no additional units would be

1638
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:07,400
proposed with it.

1639
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:08,480
Yeah.

1640
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,320
Um the applicant provided this graphic

1641
01:00:11,320 --> 01:00:20,360
to show um currently um you can see the smaller um tan boxes are the twin

1642
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:23,360
units. They don't have the driveway

1643
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,600
approaches. It's just a total pad site

1644
01:00:26,600 --> 01:00:29,160
for building the town home or the twin

1645
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,040
home.

1646
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,200
This graphic shows that they would be

1647
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,000
putting in the the driveways on the twin

1648
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:37,360
home units there. So,

1649
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:39,320
that's just to kind of illustrate that

1650
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,880
there. So, uh the point would be that um

1651
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:44,320
if the if this goes through and the

1652
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,400
buyer buys it, they would reduce the

1653
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,200
footprint of those twin homes

1654
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:51,640
so that on the ground floor

1655
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:52,960
and then they could have room for that

1656
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,920
driveway and then have that second story

1657
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:58,600
have the additional um square footage

1658
01:00:58,600 --> 01:00:59,920
for the homes.

1659
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:01,600
>> I see that there

1660
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:03,840
the driveway, which is great, especially

1661
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,080
a two-car driveway.

1662
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:09,040
Other than that, I don't see much

1663
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,280
parking outside of that. And then it

1664
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,640
makes me think there's going to be a lot

1665
01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:17,440
of street parking, which

1666
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:20,920
the three-story ones to the west run

1667
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:22,840
into that a lot.

1668
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:25,920
Um does this is this sufficient for the

1669
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,400
city's like requirements?

1670
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:30,160
>> So they're not they're not changing

1671
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:33,160
anything in the site plan or the plat

1672
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:35,920
recorded plat. So you any of the

1673
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,760
off-street parking you can see that's

1674
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,320
perpendicular to the roads. That's all

1675
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:44,840
existing with what was approved with the subdivision of this. They're not

1676
01:01:44,840 --> 01:01:46,600
changing any of that. If they were to do

1677
01:01:46,600 --> 01:01:47,800
that, they would have to go through a

1678
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,080
whole process.

1679
01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:50,320
>> Okay. So this was already what was

1680
01:01:50,320 --> 01:01:52,120
approved like the amount of parking.

1681
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:52,320
Okay.

1682
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:54,120
>> It's actually increasing the amount of

1683
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:55,960
parking because of those driveways.

1684
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:56,920
>> Okay.

1685
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:59,240
>> Yes, I'm I'm still a a little confused

1686
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,680
why they want to increase the height

1687
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:02,960
uh to begin with. They've already

1688
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:04,520
entered into a development agreement

1689
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,160
with with the city to do two-story. Uh

1690
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,240
it seems to me, maybe I'm totally out of

1691
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,400
touch, that this would this would cost

1692
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:13,160
more to do add an extra level and also

1693
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,240
limit your buyer pool. Uh I don't know

1694
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:16,960
if anyone's been in those three-story

1695
01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,560
townhomes, but it's

1696
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,120
>> It's garage, staircase, kitchen,

1697
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:24,720
staircase, bedrooms, and yeah, I I I'm I

1698
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,000
guess I'm just uh scratching my head uh

1699
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,320
like like Bob mentioned, is this

1700
01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,600
market-driven or where's where's the need? I I

1701
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,640
>> So we do have the potential buyer here

1702
01:02:34,640 --> 01:02:36,160
that can can talk to some of those

1703
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,080
questions if you want.

1704
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:37,800
>> Okay, that'd be good.

1705
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:39,920
>> Um but if you if you'd like, I'll I'll

1706
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,440
finish what I've got here and then we'll

1707
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:42,080
invite them up.

1708
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:44,150
>> Okay.

1709
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,400
» Um so we already talked about this to

1710
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:47,880
some degree. There was a devel-

1711
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,440
development agreement. Um development

1712
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:52,240
agreements are mutually approved

1713
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,360
documents between both parties. In this

1714
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:57,200
case, it would be the developer and the

1715
01:02:57,200 --> 01:02:58,240
city.

1716
01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,160
Um

1717
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,720
The development agreement was recorded

1718
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,000
on May 8th, 2025. City Council has no

1719
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:08,120
obligation to make an amendment to this

1720
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:10,760
development agreement. Um if the City

1721
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:13,000
Council would like to make an amendment,

1722
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:14,360
but maybe they want to see some

1723
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:15,640
potential

1724
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,720
additional changes, they could suggest

1725
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,520
those and if both parties agree to it,

1726
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,480
that could also be part of this

1727
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:22,840
amendment.

1728
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,160
Um

1729
01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,720
Staff would just recommend if you are in

1730
01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,560
favor of moving this forward and and

1731
01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:30,080
approving it that

1732
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:32,160
additional language would be added to

1733
01:03:32,160 --> 01:03:34,120
the development agreement that would

1734
01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,960
identify that those driveways would be

1735
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:38,920
um part of

1736
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:40,840
those twin homes cuz that's not part of

1737
01:03:40,840 --> 01:03:42,520
the current language in the amendment

1738
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:44,600
right now.

1739
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:46,640
Um let's see. Do I have

1740
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:47,320
um

1741
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,320
I think I talked about that pretty much.

1742
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,080
Any other questions?

1743
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,480
>> I have a couple of questions for you.

1744
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,520
So, this didn't have to go to planning

1745
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:55,520
and zoning, right?

1746
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:56,360
>> No.

1747
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:58,840
>> So, what's the staff's recommendation on

1748
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:02,000
this? I didn't see that anywhere.

1749
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,320
>> Um

1750
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:06,440
Staff is kind of torn on it to be

1751
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:08,760
honest. Um we've talked with the

1752
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,200
applicant. Uh they've given us their

1753
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:13,880
input. We do like the idea of the

1754
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,280
driveways because I think that

1755
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,040
as Council Member Smith said that this

1756
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,160
area is over parked often times, so we

1757
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:22,960
like that idea.

1758
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:23,560
Um

1759
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:25,600
we don't necessarily get into market

1760
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:27,360
analysis or anything like that. We leave

1761
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,520
that to um

1762
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:31,160
the developer and the buyers and and

1763
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,880
that's none of our purview.

1764
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,280
Um

1765
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:36,040
but massing [clears throat] and scale,

1766
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,400
it's it's

1767
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,360
going to change a little bit than what

1768
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,440
was intended for this area,

1769
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:43,760
but we don't necessarily have a strong

1770
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:48,030
opinion either way.

1771
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:49,560
» I guess I just have a couple questions

1772
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,360
for the applicant as well.

1773
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,320
>> Okay. Well, that's all I have if if we

1774
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:55,120
want to invite them up.

1775
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,040
>> applicant here?

1776
01:04:56,040 --> 01:04:56,960
>> Yeah.

1777
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,320
Well,

1778
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:00,560
>> Okay.

1779
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:01,760
>> So, uh

1780
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,800
Quinn Millett, is that is that how you

1781
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:04,240
say it?

1782
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:04,640
>> Yeah.

1783
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,600
>> So, Quinn is is the potential one of

1784
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:08,560
representing the potential buyer, so

1785
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:18,670
come on up, Quinn.

1786
01:05:18,680 --> 01:05:20,160
» All right, thanks for all presentation

1787
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,040
and thanks for the time.

1788
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,120
Uh could we go back to the

1789
01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:26,440
um site plan?

1790
01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:28,240
So I I'd like to address uh first the

1791
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,000
benefits to the site plan and then

1792
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:34,480
address uh three-story townhouses.

1793
01:05:34,480 --> 01:05:36,680
Um some of the benefits so So one of the

1794
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:38,920
big benefits is obviously parking. We're

1795
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,400
adding 108 parking spots.

1796
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:43,640
Um townhouse developments are you know

1797
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:45,600
chronically under-parked.

1798
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,960
Uh some of the other benefits are the um

1799
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:51,440
homes over here.

1800
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,000
These are all three stories as well, but

1801
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:54,960
they're picking up additional square

1802
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,120
footage in the backyard. So we're

1803
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,920
actually adding green space.

1804
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,720
Um another benefit is the streetscape.

1805
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:02,640
Um

1806
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,440
when you have a 26-ft right-of-way and

1807
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:06,400
then the

1808
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,600
garages on either side, uh it ends up

1809
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,080
kind of a narrow streetscape. Um we're

1810
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,240
adding 48 ft to the streetscape. We have

1811
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:15,560
a rendering that kind of illustrates

1812
01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:17,560
that. You end up with landscaping

1813
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:19,360
between the driveways, excuse me. You

1814
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:20,480
end up with landscaping between the

1815
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,880
driveways as well as a much more

1816
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:25,520
inviting streetscape.

1817
01:06:25,520 --> 01:06:27,960
Um

1818
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:29,680
Yeah, other

1819
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:32,200
Tell me if I'm I'm missing something. Um

1820
01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:34,000
one of the the reasons we went with a

1821
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,760
three-story and not a two-story is the

1822
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,280
water table.

1823
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:39,400
So if you have a two-story

1824
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:40,680
townhouse, then you can't put in a

1825
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,000
basement.

1826
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,160
The footprints on these are 64 ft and

1827
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:47,080
you're only getting 1,500 sq ft.

1828
01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,280
You put that two-car garage on the

1829
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:49,600
bottom floor,

1830
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:51,640
even with that 64-ft

1831
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,640
depth, you're getting 1,500 sq ft. Um

1832
01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:57,800
The additional we found as far as a

1833
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,280
market reaction,

1834
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,800
um we've done developments where we have

1835
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:03,480
that additional bedroom going from three

1836
01:07:03,480 --> 01:07:05,560
to four and that additional bedroom

1837
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:07,680
tends to get a bigger reaction than your

1838
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,440
third. And the reason for that is

1839
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,240
um the

1840
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,120
It can be used for offices. It can be

1841
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:17,080
used for a gear room. It can be used for

1842
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,240
like a lot of times we'll see that we'll

1843
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:20,760
go back and visit the sites and they'll

1844
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,320
be used for like a a kids playroom,

1845
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,040
right? And

1846
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,560
with that I'll jump into the benefits of

1847
01:07:25,560 --> 01:07:27,040
a three-story.

1848
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:28,440
Um

1849
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:29,520
for me

1850
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:31,000
who has bad knees, maybe I don't want a

1851
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:32,120
three-story.

1852
01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:34,480
For for kind of that younger buyer, it

1853
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,640
tends to be more appealing. One of the

1854
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:39,200
big benefits of a three-story

1855
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:41,640
is yes, you come up to a a garage and

1856
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:43,400
you go straight up the stairs. Then you

1857
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:45,840
have that middle floor that is one big

1858
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:48,000
room, right? And then you have usually

1859
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:50,000
bedrooms and bathrooms upstairs.

1860
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,880
Um in 2,000 square feet to have one big

1861
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,000
bedroom where you can host a party, it's

1862
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:58,320
your kitchen, it's your half bath, it's

1863
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,640
kind of an open area with with um a lot

1864
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:02,600
of times, especially with these, natural

1865
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,320
light. It's very functional for hosting

1866
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,000
and and whatnot. Something you don't get

1867
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,920
in a in a two-story.

1868
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:12,000
So we do have um a strong market

1869
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,200
reaction for not only the four-bedroom,

1870
01:08:14,200 --> 01:08:16,120
but the additional square footage and

1871
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,600
the three-story.

1872
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:21,080
>> Is your fourth bedroom

1873
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,480
are you counting it the room down below

1874
01:08:23,480 --> 01:08:26,520
before you go up? Because sometimes So

1875
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,920
you have to walk through it though to go

1876
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:30,920
upstairs or is it an actual separate

1877
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:31,440
bedroom?

1878
01:08:31,440 --> 01:08:32,480
>> It's an actual separate bedroom.

1879
01:08:32,480 --> 01:08:34,520
>> Okay, cuz some of them you have to walk

1880
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:35,880
through that room.

1881
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:36,279
>> Yep.

1882
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:38,200
>> Like a lot of builders, they'll make it

1883
01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,359
to where you have to walk through it. So

1884
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:41,839
it can't be really like like you said,

1885
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:43,839
it could be a toy room or a you know,

1886
01:08:43,839 --> 01:08:44,680
like a

1887
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:46,440
hangout space or something.

1888
01:08:46,440 --> 01:08:46,880
>> Yep.

1889
01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,720
>> But you are correct. Like going from a

1890
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,440
three-bedroom to a four-bedroom, you

1891
01:08:50,440 --> 01:08:54,080
instantly increase your buyers. Um

1892
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,440
my concern would be

1893
01:08:56,440 --> 01:08:59,799
what are you increasing the price from

1894
01:08:59,799 --> 01:09:01,759
the two-story to the three-story?

1895
01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:05,120
Because you also don't want to then

1896
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,000
lose buyers, right?

1897
01:09:07,000 --> 01:09:07,480
>> Mhm.

1898
01:09:07,480 --> 01:09:09,440
>> Um

1899
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:11,440
So, that was my big question. If you

1900
01:09:11,440 --> 01:09:13,640
have a rough idea, like is it going to

1901
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,520
be a huge increase for buyers or

1902
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:20,000
>> It's still it's in the low fours. It's

1903
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,799
still well within the FHA limits.

1904
01:09:21,799 --> 01:09:22,920
>> Mhm. Okay.

1905
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:23,279
>> Yeah.

1906
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:25,080
>> Um

1907
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,520
My

1908
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:30,269
um

1909
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:33,200
I personally like like I'm with Ryan and

1910
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,359
I'm with you. I have bad knees. Um I see

1911
01:09:36,359 --> 01:09:39,000
those three-stories near that sit longer

1912
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,000
on the market. And so, but that's

1913
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,960
obviously the builder's problem, you

1914
01:09:43,960 --> 01:09:45,319
know, in a sense.

1915
01:09:45,319 --> 01:09:48,480
For me, I think if it's this area, it's

1916
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:51,080
already got it, but that was my biggest

1917
01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:52,279
concern is is it still going to be

1918
01:09:52,279 --> 01:09:53,520
affordable? So.

1919
01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:53,880
>> Yeah.

1920
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:54,880
>> So, that answers

1921
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:56,160
>> And we we looked at it with the

1922
01:09:56,160 --> 01:09:59,040
two-story and we felt for market reasons

1923
01:09:59,040 --> 01:10:00,320
that a three-story made a lot more

1924
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:01,560
sense.

1925
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:03,480
>> Does the two-story have a garage?

1926
01:10:03,480 --> 01:10:05,360
>> Yes. Yeah, the two The garage would

1927
01:10:05,360 --> 01:10:07,480
actually be right up on the street.

1928
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:09,840
>> So, basically, you could do all of what

1929
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,200
you're saying with a two-story.

1930
01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:13,480
>> Um

1931
01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:15,920
>> You could. You don't have to increase

1932
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:16,440
>> Oh, no, you

1933
01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:19,480
>> anything. And my main concern is and

1934
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:21,680
everybody in this room who works with me

1935
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:24,080
a lot knows I hate three-story.

1936
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:26,720
Because we have a beautiful view

1937
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:29,040
and you've already got two-story over

1938
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:31,680
here. You put three-story next to them.

1939
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:32,880
They thought that they were all going to

1940
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:35,000
be two-story or whatever and now they're

1941
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,280
losing the beautiful view and I think um

1942
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,360
every single three-story apartment,

1943
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:41,800
townhome

1944
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:42,800
um

1945
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,360
all that stuff I see, I I hate them. I

1946
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,320
think they're ugly. I think they're too

1947
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,600
tall. I don't think they're designed

1948
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:51,040
well. I think the floor plans are

1949
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:52,240
terrible.

1950
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:53,600
Um

1951
01:10:53,600 --> 01:10:57,960
and I think you lose a warmth and a and a cozy

1952
01:10:57,960 --> 01:10:59,760
feeling of a neighborhood.

1953
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,800
And I'm worried about the parking. I'm

1954
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:03,480
worried about the view.

1955
01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:07,160
I'm very picky about floor plans. Um

1956
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:08,960
so

1957
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:10,640
I don't think your plan is good enough

1958
01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:12,880
for me to to be on board with the

1959
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:14,560
three-story.

1960
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:16,440
>> And I appreciate that. One of the things

1961
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:17,680
we couldn't do is the additional

1962
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:18,760
parking.

1963
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,040
If you go with the two-story, you lose

1964
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,040
108 parking stalls.

1965
01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,960
>> But people But you can also you add So

1966
01:11:25,960 --> 01:11:28,160
do the two-stories have four bedrooms?

1967
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:29,240
>> No.

1968
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:32,760
>> So you add another bedroom, which means

1969
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,440
possibly somebody else

1970
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:36,360
you

1971
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:38,440
some of these could just be roommates.

1972
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:40,440
You still have problem parking. You

1973
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:42,760
still have And not everybody has just

1974
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,200
one car

1975
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:45,920
per person. So you're still going to

1976
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,640
have street street parking problems. And

1977
01:11:49,640 --> 01:11:51,800
I'm I'm not convinced. I'm I'm an

1978
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:53,960
automatic no when it's three-story

1979
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,520
townhomes. I think they're too tall.

1980
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,320
And and it's a horrible aesthetic to

1981
01:11:59,320 --> 01:12:01,400
walk in and have to go

1982
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:02,840
automatically upstairs to the living

1983
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:04,320
area.

1984
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:05,000
>> Yeah, understood.

1985
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:05,680
>> So.

1986
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:06,720
>> Yeah. And not everyone likes the

1987
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:07,720
three-stories. I do think the

1988
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,680
functionality of a three-story beats out

1989
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,520
the two-story because of how they're cut

1990
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,080
up, but not they're not for everybody.

1991
01:12:13,080 --> 01:12:13,960
>> Mhm.

1992
01:12:13,960 --> 01:12:16,400
>> I I do understand your your want and

1993
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,960
desire for the need of the three-story

1994
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:19,480
because of the water table. I do

1995
01:12:19,480 --> 01:12:22,480
understand that. My I guess my my real

1996
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:24,280
heartburn I have is with with the

1997
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:27,640
three-story. I'm scared that discourages

1998
01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:30,200
home ownership faster. I think it could

1999
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,360
turn into more more of a rental

2000
01:12:32,360 --> 01:12:33,920
situation there quicker.

2001
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:34,240
>> It will.

2002
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,440
>> And so that's that's a a main concern I

2003
01:12:36,440 --> 01:12:38,400
have there is is the home ownership.

2004
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,520
Then my other concern is the view of the

2005
01:12:40,520 --> 01:12:41,560
mountains as well that would be

2006
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:43,920
obstructed by more three-stories. So So

2007
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:45,400
right now just know I have a little bit

2008
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:47,000
of hesitation about it.

2009
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:48,320
>> Understood.

2010
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,080
Yeah. And the the homes the two the

2011
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:53,360
three-stories on this left side face the

2012
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:54,520
canal.

2013
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:55,880
And then of course these face the

2014
01:12:55,880 --> 01:12:57,840
street, but

2015
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:59,080
understood.

2016
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:00,800
Uh yeah, understood.

2017
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,400
>> I think two stories is plenty and it

2018
01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,240
looks nicer. It doesn't look so

2019
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:05,320
overwhelming.

2020
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,160
>> So, can you explain

2021
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,080
uh the parking for the two story versus

2022
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:11,960
the three story? I'm I'm still confused

2023
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:13,400
about that. Seems like you still have

2024
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:14,800
the If you're two story, you still have

2025
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:15,920
the same parking, but

2026
01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:18,440
>> Yep, absolutely. So, if you look at this

2027
01:13:18,440 --> 01:13:20,120
unit for example,

2028
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:21,920
a two story

2029
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:23,760
without a basement

2030
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,520
where the driveway is now

2031
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,000
would actually turn into a garage.

2032
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,200
Does that make sense? So, the garage

2033
01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,000
actually comes right up to the street.

2034
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:32,240
>> Is it cuz the footprint's getting

2035
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:32,680
bigger?

2036
01:13:32,680 --> 01:13:34,760
>> Do we not have required setbacks though

2037
01:13:34,760 --> 01:13:36,680
of how far driveway has to be off of the

2038
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:37,600
street?

2039
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:38,960
>> Well, there are no driveways.

2040
01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,680
>> Well, then the garage then? We don't

2041
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:41,120
have a

2042
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:42,520
>> be like the Maples

2043
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:43,960
for example.

2044
01:13:43,960 --> 01:13:45,320
>> Yeah.

2045
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,520
So, since you're making a smaller

2046
01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:50,000
footprint, you'll be able to have

2047
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:50,560
Mhm?

2048
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,560
>> It's a private street there.

2049
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:54,520
It's similar to other others

2050
01:13:54,520 --> 01:13:55,800
developments in this

2051
01:13:55,800 --> 01:13:57,880
>> the front of the house and then behind

2052
01:13:57,880 --> 01:13:59,920
>> The front actually faces the green

2053
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,000
spaces and then the garage faces this

2054
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,920
private street.

2055
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:07,320
>> And living in the Maples neighborhood,

2056
01:14:07,320 --> 01:14:09,120
it doesn't matter if you have a garage

2057
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,160
or not. They don't use them.

2058
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:12,800
And there's always a parking problem

2059
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:13,920
regardless.

2060
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,000
>> But if they had a driveway, I think that would be helpful.

2061
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:19,440
>> So, that adds two two parking spots

2062
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:21,520
really for each each one. Is that

2063
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:22,760
>> That's right. The The difference is

2064
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:24,000
you're shrink you're shrinking the

2065
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,200
footprint and with that additional space

2066
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,920
you're adding uh two parking spots. So,

2067
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:31,640
each townhouse ends up with four

2068
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:33,160
parking spots

2069
01:14:33,160 --> 01:14:34,160
um

2070
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:35,520
instead of two.

2071
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,600
>> Does this one have an HOA?

2072
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:38,120
>> Yes.

2073
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:39,560
>> It will have an HOA. Will they have

2074
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,840
restrictions on parking broken-down

2075
01:14:41,840 --> 01:14:42,400
cars?

2076
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,280
>> Oh, yeah. That's in the CC&Rs.

2077
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:46,840
>> What about on your HOA, some builders

2078
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:50,360
allow um going back to Ryan's concern

2079
01:14:50,360 --> 01:14:52,960
only a certain percentage is rentals and

2080
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,160
if he is going to be a rental, I know

2081
01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:58,120
some builders like increase the price.

2082
01:14:58,120 --> 01:14:59,960
Do you guys do that at all?

2083
01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:01,640
>> Yeah, I believe the master CC&Rs

2084
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:04,840
significantly strict rentals. Our we

2085
01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,920
don't target you know, as a home builder

2086
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,840
we promote home ownership.

2087
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,640
You know, we push for

2088
01:15:11,640 --> 01:15:12,840
first time home buyers in this sort of

2089
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,720
scenario and you know,

2090
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:16,720
we don't push for rentals.

2091
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:17,960
>> Yeah.

2092
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:20,870
Um

2093
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,640
I was curious though, I drove by this

2094
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:23,960
today cuz I wanted to make sure I was

2095
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:26,080
thinking of the correct property.

2096
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,480
Um

2097
01:15:27,480 --> 01:15:29,840
the two stories that was a concern of

2098
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,440
mine that those poor people now that you

2099
01:15:32,440 --> 01:15:34,040
know, those people that have already

2100
01:15:34,040 --> 01:15:35,400
bought and then all of a sudden they

2101
01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:37,440
have a three story behind them. That

2102
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:41,720
would stink and that was kind of but

2103
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,520
the rendering that Michael showed, none

2104
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:46,080
of those

2105
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,040
looked like that. It was more of a

2106
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,760
modern look so I guess like

2107
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:53,960
I like the look of what was shown, more

2108
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:56,200
traditional look. So I guess like also

2109
01:15:56,200 --> 01:15:59,000
you kind of have that clashing but

2110
01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,280
I guess I'm going to kind of be like the

2111
01:16:00,280 --> 01:16:02,320
devil's advocate on this that the two

2112
01:16:02,320 --> 01:16:07,360
story ones in that area are so also tiny

2113
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:12,280
from other builders that they sit and sit also but then the three

2114
01:16:12,280 --> 01:16:15,160
stories sit and sit and sit also.

2115
01:16:15,160 --> 01:16:17,200
So it's just kind of like if this is

2116
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:18,960
approved, I would just hope that you

2117
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:20,520
guys really

2118
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:22,560
look at what does sit in that area

2119
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:24,560
because then that affects the area down

2120
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,800
the road and really make it to where

2121
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:30,400
it's a resellable product for people

2122
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,240
because the hope is obviously after you

2123
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,160
buy a home that eventually you know, you

2124
01:16:34,160 --> 01:16:36,080
build another one and another.

2125
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:37,080
So

2126
01:16:37,080 --> 01:16:38,440
that would just be my

2127
01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:39,280
>> Yeah.

2128
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:40,480
And there are three stories in the

2129
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:42,560
neighborhood, you know, both north and

2130
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:43,520
south.

2131
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,240
Yeah, and like I said, with with

2132
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:46,400
developments we've done in the past,

2133
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:49,360
that fourth bedroom has a big demand.

2134
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,320
And I didn't mention this before, but

2135
01:16:51,320 --> 01:16:53,400
it's typically the top ones are used for

2136
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,920
bedrooms. It's that it's because of the

2137
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,800
separation of the floors that that

2138
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:59,200
bottom one has a different utility.

2139
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:01,000
That's what's used for the kids play

2140
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:02,800
area, for the gear room, for the office,

2141
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,480
where you couldn't do that if you were

2142
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:05,920
if you're just next You could do it, but

2143
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:07,640
it's less convenient. It's more

2144
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:09,240
convenient if it's on a different floor.

2145
01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:10,800
>> If you had a good floor plan, you could

2146
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:14,480
do four bedrooms in a 1,500 square foot.

2147
01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:17,640
>> Well, I mean, these are these are nearly

2148
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,200
2,000 and

2149
01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:22,200
it's pretty efficient to get to the four

2150
01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:23,760
bedrooms.

2151
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,160
None of the None of the None of the ones

2152
01:17:25,160 --> 01:17:26,480
in the area, very few I I don't know if

2153
01:17:26,480 --> 01:17:28,320
any of them have a three have four

2154
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:29,600
bedrooms.

2155
01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:30,880
So, I'm not sure that's

2156
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,080
>> you have a good design and a floor plan,

2157
01:17:33,080 --> 01:17:35,960
you could have four bedrooms in a 1,300

2158
01:17:35,960 --> 01:17:37,200
square foot.

2159
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:38,560
So,

2160
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:40,040
I've lived in one.

2161
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:41,200
So, I don't You don't have to have a

2162
01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:43,480
third story. You don't have to have that

2163
01:17:43,480 --> 01:17:45,400
awkward

2164
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:49,080
random room behind a garage. You can You

2165
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,880
can design it right. I just don't like the three-story. This

2166
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,960
is This is one of the first communities

2167
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,720
people will see coming in on

2168
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:58,680
um

2169
01:17:58,680 --> 01:18:00,320
>> Arrowhead.

2170
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:01,040
>> And I-15.

2171
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:06,000
and they're going to see these tall

2172
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:07,920
aesthetically

2173
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,520
unpleasing three-story buildings.

2174
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:13,440
Um

2175
01:18:13,440 --> 01:18:15,600
Lacy, I haven't been out there yet for a

2176
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,240
while. Are they more contemporary modern

2177
01:18:18,240 --> 01:18:19,280
looks?

2178
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,400
>> The ones that are the two stories are,

2179
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,360
and then across the street So, here's

2180
01:18:23,360 --> 01:18:25,240
your apartments, right?

2181
01:18:25,240 --> 01:18:27,040
And then here's two stories that another

2182
01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,000
builder built. And they're very

2183
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:31,480
contemporary like modern.

2184
01:18:31,480 --> 01:18:33,120
And then the two stories that are

2185
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:35,480
already built in phase one,

2186
01:18:35,480 --> 01:18:37,640
they reminded me more of like a modern

2187
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:41,120
look compared to the renderings.

2188
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:41,920
>> Mhm.

2189
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:43,520
>> I wish we would get away from the modern

2190
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:45,400
contemporary look as well, but

2191
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:46,280
>> We need to move on.

2192
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:47,040
>> Yeah.

2193
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:48,680
>> Can I ask one one quick question?

2194
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:49,280
>> Yes.

2195
01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,760
>> Just one thing that that that

2196
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,200
with the three-story did for me to kind

2197
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:55,880
of offset that, if there's a way you can

2198
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:58,640
have some relief and so they aren't all

2199
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,200
just like a row of

2200
01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,400
two three-story buildings. So, there's

2201
01:19:02,400 --> 01:19:03,960
if you do that, that makes a huge

2202
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:08,430
difference how how things look, so.

2203
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:10,200
» Appreciate your comments. Any other

2204
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:11,000
questions?

2205
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:12,120
>> Mhm.

2206
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:13,600
>> Before we let him go. Thank you. Thank

2207
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,600
you for your time.

2208
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,280
Any more discussion, Council?

2209
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:25,920
>> Uh I guess just uh well, I've got the builders here. Um I I'd be okay with some sort of mix with what Council Huddleston with

2210
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:27,480
some relief and different heights, but

2211
01:19:27,480 --> 01:19:29,200
the idea of shifting them all to

2212
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,360
three-story, I'm not in favor of right

2213
01:19:31,360 --> 01:19:32,040
now.

2214
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:33,800
>> I I think we as a council have the

2215
01:19:33,800 --> 01:19:38,320
opportunity to say 50% or

2216
01:19:38,320 --> 01:19:38,600
Uh

2217
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,920
>> I just want to remind us of what we want Payson to look

2218
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:45,480
like and some builders are not following

2219
01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:47,720
what our vision is.

2220
01:19:47,720 --> 01:19:50,040
Um doing too much contemporary, too much

2221
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:55,200
high density, to like and going from two-story to three-story

2222
01:19:55,200 --> 01:19:57,320
does increase the density.

2223
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,280
And so

2224
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:01,000
I just want to remind you of that. We've

2225
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,320
had these discussions before of what we

2226
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,310
want

2227
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,760
our our town to look like.

2228
01:20:08,760 --> 01:20:10,080
>> We also have to remember too that we've

2229
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,240
had this discussion of

2230
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,240
a lot of us have always said, "If I'm

2231
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:16,040
going to be okay with something, it's

2232
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,640
going to be in this area because

2233
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:21,000
literally across the street, you have

2234
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:24,320
four-story or three-story apartments."

2235
01:20:24,320 --> 01:20:24,880
>> Mhm.

2236
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:25,760
>> Um and then

2237
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:27,080
>> Which were approved well long before we

2238
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:27,320
got here.

2239
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:29,040
>> Yeah, correct. But

2240
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:30,840
I would rather approve a three-story

2241
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:32,680
community next to a three-story

2242
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:35,440
community then a three-story community

2243
01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:38,000
next to Ramblers.

2244
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,240
But that's just my

2245
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:40,320
>> This is undeveloped land.

2246
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,080
>> apartment buildings, they're right

2247
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:43,640
across the street from single-family

2248
01:20:43,640 --> 01:20:45,240
homes.

2249
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,840
And Arrowhead back further.

2250
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:49,080
>> Further back.

2251
01:20:49,080 --> 01:20:49,240
>> Yeah.

2252
01:20:49,240 --> 01:20:50,560
>> And and I think what you remember too,

2253
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:54,600
it's not within our scope to dictate what the looks of the the

2254
01:20:54,600 --> 01:20:55,200
building are.

2255
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:58,240
>> We're we're a little beyond council.

2256
01:20:58,240 --> 01:20:59,320
>> All right, if there's no further

2257
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:04,510
discussion, I would entertain a motion.

2258
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:07,400
I would just add that if you're if

2259
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:08,960
you're considering being in favor of

2260
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:11,200
this, there there should be some

2261
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,320
flexibility for staff to work with the

2262
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:15,720
applicant to put in that language for

2263
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:17,760
example with the driveway.

2264
01:21:17,760 --> 01:21:18,320
Um

2265
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:19,640
also

2266
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:20,680
um

2267
01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:24,400
this this was platted for two-story and

2268
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,200
so the distance between buildings is

2269
01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:29,080
identified for two-story. So we would

2270
01:21:29,080 --> 01:21:31,760
have to um have some

2271
01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:35,200
uh deviation from this the code to allow

2272
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:41,750
that. So.

2273
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:42,880
» I make a motion that we approve the

2274
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:44,160
first amendment to the Villages at

2275
01:21:44,160 --> 01:21:45,760
Arrowhead Park Development Agreement as

2276
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:47,800
presented.

2277
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:48,960
>> I'll second.

2278
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,600
>> Could you read the motion back? I didn't

2279
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,880
hear you good. Sorry.

2280
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:54,280
>> I make a motion that we approve the

2281
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:55,880
first amendment to the Villages at

2282
01:21:55,880 --> 01:21:57,680
Arrowhead Park Development Agreement as

2283
01:21:57,680 --> 01:21:58,920
presented.

2284
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:00,360
>> So do you want to add something about

2285
01:22:00,360 --> 01:22:02,760
staff um

2286
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:04,000
>> Oh yeah, he's got to they've got to be

2287
01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:04,600
able to

2288
01:22:04,600 --> 01:22:06,320
>> The staff would have some flexibility.

2289
01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:08,960
>> Yes, adding the ability for staff to have

2290
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:11,520
flexibility to have um dimensions,

2291
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,360
offsets, and and measurements according

2292
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:14,280
to

2293
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,200
code and what we need.

2294
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:18,240
>> I second that.

2295
01:22:18,240 --> 01:22:20,240
>> I have a motion and a second.

2296
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,520
Starting with council member

2297
01:22:22,520 --> 01:22:23,600
Moss.

2298
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:24,600
>> No.

2299
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:26,840
>> Council member Prosgaard. Yes.

2300
01:22:26,840 --> 01:22:29,080
Council member Rowley.

2301
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:31,200
>> I think the builder should try one more

2302
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:33,640
time and come back with a mix of of

2303
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,360
housing styles and and heights and I'm

2304
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:38,960
not in favor of moving it all to three

2305
01:22:38,960 --> 01:22:40,520
stories, so I am a no.

2306
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:43,000
>> Okay. Council member Hewlett.

2307
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,240
>> Uh yes, I think having they get some

2308
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:48,880
relief and with more parking, I think

2309
01:22:48,880 --> 01:22:50,360
the parking's going to help a lot for

2310
01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:51,840
this area.

2311
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:54,600
>> Council member Smith.

2312
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,240
>> I'm actually a yes on this one.

2313
01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,160
I really thought hard about it. I I said

2314
01:23:00,160 --> 01:23:02,320
I went there today, Anne. I I really

2315
01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:07,310
did, so I'm

2316
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:08,720
» I I said yes.

2317
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:10,040
Yeah.

2318
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:12,760
Motion carries.

2319
01:23:12,760 --> 01:23:14,640
Moving on.

2320
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:17,160
Item number four, resolution approving

2321
01:23:17,160 --> 01:23:18,880
an amendment to the agreement with Utah

2322
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:22,040
County regard regarding the 2026

2323
01:23:22,040 --> 01:23:27,750
municipal recreation grant.

2324
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:28,640
Jill.

2325
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:32,870
>> Yes, this will be really fast.

2326
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:34,480
We have money

2327
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:36,048
and we don't want to lose it.

2328
01:23:36,048 --> 01:23:37,320
>> [laughter]

2329
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:38,960
>> So, we are asking for the city council

2330
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:40,720
to approve this agreement with Utah

2331
01:23:40,720 --> 01:23:43,000
County to extend our timeline

2332
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,960
to utilize the money that we get through

2333
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,880
the TRCC funding, which is the tourism,

2334
01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:52,200
recreation, um culture, and convention.

2335
01:23:52,200 --> 01:23:54,400
It's known as the restaurant tax, if

2336
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:56,040
you've heard about the restaurant tax.

2337
01:23:56,040 --> 01:23:57,040
Anyway,

2338
01:23:57,040 --> 01:23:58,240
um we have a couple of projects we're

2339
01:23:58,240 --> 01:23:59,880
working on. We were unable to get them

2340
01:23:59,880 --> 01:24:01,680
done by the end of June, which was the

2341
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,000
deadline, so Utah County has agreed to

2342
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,120
let us extend it into this next fiscal

2343
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:07,080
year.

2344
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:08,680
Uh so, that is what this agreement would

2345
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,480
be a is um be authorizing is for that

2346
01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:13,240
money to roll over to the next fiscal

2347
01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:14,280
year.

2348
01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:18,150
Um so, we can finish up our projects.

2349
01:24:18,160 --> 01:24:20,280
» So, do we need to make a resolution uh

2350
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,080
approving the mayor to sign this

2351
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:23,120
resolution.

2352
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:23,840
>> Yes.

2353
01:24:23,840 --> 01:24:25,400
>> We We need to approve the resolution

2354
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:27,920
that the mayor can sign it. Okay.

2355
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:30,400
Any discussion?

2356
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:31,680
I'll accept the motion.

2357
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:33,880
>> I make a motion that we

2358
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:35,320
uh, approve the amendment to the

2359
01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,040
agreement with Utah County regarding the

2360
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,240
2026 municipal recreation grant.

2361
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:41,360
>> I'll second.

2362
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:42,920
>> I have a motion and a second. Council

2363
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:44,000
member

2364
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,040
Smith.

2365
01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:45,760
>> Yes.

2366
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:46,640
>> Council member

2367
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:47,600
>> Hewlett. Yes.

2368
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:48,960
>> Council member Rowley.

2369
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:49,480
>> Yes.

2370
01:24:49,480 --> 01:24:51,520
>> Council member Probst Guard. Yes.

2371
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:52,560
Council member Moss.

2372
01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:53,280
>> Yes.

2373
01:24:53,280 --> 01:24:54,680
>> Motion carries.

2374
01:24:54,680 --> 01:24:57,360
Item number five, discussion on update

2375
01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,120
to the outdoor recreation plan,

2376
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,160
Anderson.

2377
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:03,320
>> Was this in the packet cuz I didn't see

2378
01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:03,800
it?

2379
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:04,600
>> I didn't see it either.

2380
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:05,560
>> I didn't either.

2381
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:07,760
>> This was not in the packet.

2382
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,880
Um, and so the reason for that is just

2383
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,240
we're we're doing a

2384
01:25:12,240 --> 01:25:14,280
presentation. Um,

2385
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:15,760
and so we don't have anything for you to

2386
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:17,120
review,

2387
01:25:17,120 --> 01:25:17,880
you know,

2388
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:19,720
before the meeting or

2389
01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:20,800
>> or no decision.

2390
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:22,520
>> It's Yeah, no decision will be made.

2391
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:24,760
It's just a discussion and providing you

2392
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:26,480
with information.

2393
01:25:26,480 --> 01:25:28,440
Um, and so we'll be sharing a a

2394
01:25:28,440 --> 01:25:29,960
presentation.

2395
01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:31,080
Um,

2396
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:32,880
and we we can probably share that with

2397
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,280
you after the meeting if if you'd like

2398
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:36,720
just to have that information. Um, but

2399
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:40,560
this is one of um, several discussions that we'll have

2400
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,640
regarding a um, outdoor recreation plan.

2401
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,600
So, um, Councilman Hewlett, I'm actually

2402
01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:48,280
applied for a grant with the Utah

2403
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:50,760
Division of Natural Resources and and

2404
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:52,960
that was awarded to the city um, for us

2405
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,840
to put together an outdoor recreation

2406
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,520
plan and and we're excited to be kind of

2407
01:25:57,520 --> 01:25:59,000
in the beginning stages of that. We're

2408
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:01,120
working with the SC Group. So, we have

2409
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:03,800
uh, Michael Clawson and David Nickel

2410
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,120
Nichols um, with us today. Um, and so

2411
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,200
they'll be they'll be providing that

2412
01:26:09,200 --> 01:26:11,320
presentation of kind of of what we've

2413
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:13,880
done up to this point, um,

2414
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:16,760
and what our plans are going forward.

2415
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:17,800
Um,

2416
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:22,680
uh in developing this this uh plan and getting some feedback and direction

2417
01:26:22,680 --> 01:26:25,080
for from from all of you. Um so, with

2418
01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:27,480
that, I'll I'll get handed over to

2419
01:26:27,480 --> 01:26:28,800
Michael.

2420
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:33,670
Um

2421
01:26:33,680 --> 01:26:37,590
» Thank you, Anders.

2422
01:26:37,600 --> 01:26:38,760
Mayor Pro Tem and Council, it's a

2423
01:26:38,760 --> 01:26:40,440
pleasure to meet you. I'm Mike Clawson.

2424
01:26:40,440 --> 01:26:43,160
Uh as as was said, we're with SE Group

2425
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,960
located up in Sugarhouse at 2180 East

2426
01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:49,680
1300 or 2180 South 1300 East.

2427
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,400
Uh and as a group, we're SE Group is a

2428
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:54,720
consulting firm. We primarily work with

2429
01:26:54,720 --> 01:26:56,160
communities centered around outdoor

2430
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,360
recreation, uh a lot both in the West

2431
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:00,040
and in the East. Uh a lot of the

2432
01:27:00,040 --> 01:27:04,200
communities adjacent to public lands and assist with that outdoor recreation

2433
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:07,560
vision and strategic planning.

2434
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:10,000
Uh as was mentioned, we are assisting to

2435
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,920
prepare an outdoor recreation strategic

2436
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:13,960
plan. This uh at this time, we do not

2437
01:27:13,960 --> 01:27:16,120
have the finalized plan with it. This

2438
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:17,800
Although we say a plan, it is not just a

2439
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,240
single document. It is a series of

2440
01:27:19,240 --> 01:27:20,760
documents. So, we actually do have a a

2441
01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,040
few things that I'm going to overview

2442
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:24,280
for you today and then we have we can

2443
01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,240
share with you afterwards to to see the

2444
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:27,680
progress.

2445
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,800
Um but today, we're just uh here to

2446
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:34,710
share that progress and update with you.

2447
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:37,200
Uh today, I want to cover three things

2448
01:27:37,200 --> 01:27:38,840
real quick. We want to go over the

2449
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:42,400
strategic plan process, uh what that

2450
01:27:42,400 --> 01:27:44,120
what it will look like to get the final

2451
01:27:44,120 --> 01:27:46,400
outdoor recreation strategic plan.

2452
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:47,000
Uh

2453
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:47,960
and then we want to talk about what

2454
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:49,640
we've achieved up to this point, both

2455
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:51,400
looking at Payson's outdoor recreation

2456
01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:53,040
economy as well as the existing

2457
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,080
recreation assets, gaps, strengths, and

2458
01:27:55,080 --> 01:27:56,880
opportunities. Basically, what Payson is

2459
01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,200
doing really well with outdoor

2460
01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,840
recreation at this time.

2461
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:01,160
And then we we have reserved some time

2462
01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:03,040
at the end to have a quick uh question

2463
01:28:03,040 --> 01:28:05,680
and answer session.

2464
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:06,560
So,

2465
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:08,360
outdoor recreation strategic strategic

2466
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:09,720
plan. I recognize that if you're not

2467
01:28:09,720 --> 01:28:10,960
familiar with these, those are a lot of

2468
01:28:10,960 --> 01:28:12,880
words that don't make sense next to each

2469
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:14,760
other. Um

2470
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:16,640
an outdoor recreation strategic plan is

2471
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:18,320
something that documents outdoor

2472
01:28:18,320 --> 01:28:19,840
recreation in your community. It helps

2473
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:21,600
you see how all the different pieces

2474
01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:23,480
connect one to another, where they might

2475
01:28:23,480 --> 01:28:24,880
not connect, what you're doing really

2476
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:26,400
well, where there might be gaps and

2477
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:28,720
opportunities for further development.

2478
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,160
Uh this is something that ideally anyone

2479
01:28:31,160 --> 01:28:32,520
in the community will be able to pick up

2480
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,200
one day and just get really excited

2481
01:28:34,200 --> 01:28:36,080
about outdoor recreation in Payson and

2482
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:37,440
know what everything that there is to

2483
01:28:37,440 --> 01:28:40,320
offer. Understand that I know that I'm

2484
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:41,880
going to adventure outdoor recreation is

2485
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:43,520
only a small piece of it, but to

2486
01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:45,520
understand how that ties in.

2487
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:47,200
And I think we'll be considering

2488
01:28:47,200 --> 01:28:48,640
ourselves successful in helping prepare

2489
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,240
this plan for you if if we're helping

2490
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:52,720
foster and generate that excitement in

2491
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:54,880
your community.

2492
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,400
Uh we have a very complicated diagram of

2493
01:28:57,400 --> 01:28:59,120
the entire process and all you really

2494
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:00,840
need to know about this right now is

2495
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:02,760
that what we've done up to this point is

2496
01:29:02,760 --> 01:29:05,000
just trying to understand Payson.

2497
01:29:05,000 --> 01:29:07,360
Understand what is what the existing

2498
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,960
recreation amenities offer. What the

2499
01:29:09,960 --> 01:29:12,240
outdoor economy looks like right now. Uh

2500
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:13,760
the next immediate step is actually

2501
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:15,000
going to be a community engagement

2502
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:19,240
process where we survey or otherwise engage with your

2503
01:29:19,240 --> 01:29:20,400
community and figure out what is

2504
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,760
important to them and what they see.

2505
01:29:22,760 --> 01:29:24,080
Um so I'd just like you to keep that in

2506
01:29:24,080 --> 01:29:25,480
your mind as we continue going through

2507
01:29:25,480 --> 01:29:27,240
this and if there are particular things

2508
01:29:27,240 --> 01:29:28,480
that you

2509
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:30,920
uh would like us to bring up to the

2510
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:32,720
during the community survey, then we

2511
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:37,270
absolutely want to include it.

2512
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:39,960
Uh we done on a site visit. Uh

2513
01:29:39,960 --> 01:29:41,600
thank you to Carl and Anders and Jill

2514
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,160
and Robert. They all they all took us

2515
01:29:43,160 --> 01:29:46,240
around the community for a day, which I have to say was great because it is

2516
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:48,360
something very different to look at all

2517
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:50,160
the existing plans that were provided to

2518
01:29:50,160 --> 01:29:51,680
us and look at maps and do all we can to

2519
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:52,960
learn about it, but it's so much better

2520
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,960
to sit in the van for a day with with

2521
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:56,440
the people that live and work in this

2522
01:29:56,440 --> 01:29:58,160
community and and be able to just pick

2523
01:29:58,160 --> 01:29:59,520
their brains about any anything and

2524
01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:01,360
everything. So, thank you for that.

2525
01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,467
>> One of my funnest days of work ever.

2526
01:30:04,467 --> 01:30:05,120
>> [laughter]

2527
01:30:05,120 --> 01:30:06,440
>> We got to go we got to go mountain

2528
01:30:06,440 --> 01:30:10,190
biking together, so it was a good time.

2529
01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:11,800
First, I want to talk about the outdoor

2530
01:30:11,800 --> 01:30:14,840
recreation economy. Again, we have

2531
01:30:14,840 --> 01:30:18,200
synthesized this into deliverable. I'll give that I'll have a copy for each

2532
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:21,000
of you after the presentation.

2533
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,720
Overall, I want to clarify this is a

2534
01:30:23,720 --> 01:30:25,520
qualitative review of the outdoor

2535
01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:27,320
recreation economy as it stands in

2536
01:30:27,320 --> 01:30:30,800
Payson right now. We did We looked at

2537
01:30:30,800 --> 01:30:34,440
many many components of the of the

2538
01:30:34,440 --> 01:30:37,640
outdoor recreation economy. Um

2539
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:39,000
Generally, when we're speaking about it,

2540
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:40,080
we're talking about the economic

2541
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:42,480
activity generated by outdoor

2542
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:44,680
recreation. But, outdoor recreation as a

2543
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:46,480
whole provides a lot of value to your

2544
01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:48,080
community that is really hard to put a

2545
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,440
dollar sign to. Increased quality of

2546
01:30:50,440 --> 01:30:53,560
life is is a big one. Reinforcing your

2547
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:55,000
brand of home to adventure is another

2548
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:56,920
one. These are all things that make it

2549
01:30:56,920 --> 01:30:59,120
so people want to come live in Payson,

2550
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:01,320
come live in those in three-story town

2551
01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:02,880
homes or two-story town homes because

2552
01:31:02,880 --> 01:31:04,600
they know they have such great access to

2553
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:06,120
so many different types of recreation

2554
01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:07,120
here.

2555
01:31:07,120 --> 01:31:08,840
It's a good complement to some of the

2556
01:31:08,840 --> 01:31:11,760
existing economic strengths.

2557
01:31:11,760 --> 01:31:15,360
The In this process, we did the We

2558
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:17,040
looked I want to clarify we're talking

2559
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:18,200
about Payson and the annexation

2560
01:31:18,200 --> 01:31:19,320
boundary, but also kind of the whole

2561
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:22,280
southern part of Utah Valley when we

2562
01:31:22,280 --> 01:31:23,800
It's It's a little bit broader than just

2563
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:25,840
what is within your annexation boundary.

2564
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,240
We recognize that a lot of We'll get

2565
01:31:28,240 --> 01:31:30,200
more to the specific recreation assets,

2566
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:31,760
but we recognize that a lot of what

2567
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,280
makes Payson great is not only what you

2568
01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:35,920
offer, but also the proximity to a lot

2569
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,360
of wonderful public lands.

2570
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:41,320
Part of this was mapping getting more to

2571
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:42,640
the economic side of it, mapping the

2572
01:31:42,640 --> 01:31:44,760
existing providers and producers, those

2573
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:47,720
that provide or excuse me, that

2574
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:49,480
manufacture and or sell outdoor

2575
01:31:49,480 --> 01:31:52,080
recreation goods, as well as those that

2576
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:55,000
provide an experience with outdoor

2577
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:57,320
recreation. We looked at food and

2578
01:31:57,320 --> 01:31:58,600
beverage establishments, where they're

2579
01:31:58,600 --> 01:32:02,200
located, accommodations, things that

2580
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,160
are important when you're coming to the

2581
01:32:04,160 --> 01:32:06,760
community to look at or when you're

2582
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:08,120
coming to the community to recreate, you

2583
01:32:08,120 --> 01:32:10,880
also probably want to stop and eat.

2584
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:12,840
And finally, we also looked at events.

2585
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:14,120
That's another one of the things that's

2586
01:32:14,120 --> 01:32:16,280
really become apparent to us is that

2587
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,160
makes I mean, we're talking about at the

2588
01:32:18,160 --> 01:32:19,560
beginning of the Scottish Festival today

2589
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:20,920
during our meeting. It's one of the

2590
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,800
things that makes Payson great. Uh and

2591
01:32:23,800 --> 01:32:24,920
not only

2592
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:26,240
recreation specific events, we're

2593
01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:27,600
talking about triathlons and such, but

2594
01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:33,110
also just more community-focused events.

2595
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:34,440
Kind of in synthesis, one of the things

2596
01:32:34,440 --> 01:32:36,280
that we really found is that you have a

2597
01:32:36,280 --> 01:32:38,400
lot of really good outdoor recreation

2598
01:32:38,400 --> 01:32:40,680
economy strengths. Uh a lot of what

2599
01:32:40,680 --> 01:32:43,240
we've listed here are specific types of

2600
01:32:43,240 --> 01:32:46,360
recreation, but that ties into what the

2601
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:48,560
businesses are around it. People might

2602
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,080
come here for to go mountain biking or

2603
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:51,360
they might come here for the for the

2604
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:53,760
wonderful uh motorized recreation and

2605
01:32:53,760 --> 01:32:55,560
that's also going to stimulate economic

2606
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:58,080
activity. So, having businesses that are

2607
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:59,560
correlated with your strengths is really

2608
01:32:59,560 --> 01:33:01,480
important.

2609
01:33:01,480 --> 01:33:03,200
Also want to talk about the second

2610
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:04,400
deliverable that we have for you today,

2611
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:06,120
the recreation assets gaps

2612
01:33:06,120 --> 01:33:08,200
opportunities. This talks This is more

2613
01:33:08,200 --> 01:33:09,840
of a holistic view of what types of

2614
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:11,800
recreation are offered right now within

2615
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,640
Payson and where there are future

2616
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,160
opportunities to continue developing

2617
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:17,440
that. Uh during our site visit, we

2618
01:33:17,440 --> 01:33:19,640
specifically focused on West Mountain,

2619
01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:21,720
uh the Nebo Loop Scenic Byway, and and

2620
01:33:21,720 --> 01:33:22,920
some of the adjacent forest service

2621
01:33:22,920 --> 01:33:25,480
lands up by that, uh Gladstan Golf

2622
01:33:25,480 --> 01:33:28,160
Course, uh Four Base, Spring Lake, and

2623
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:30,280
then all the city parks that within the

2624
01:33:30,280 --> 01:33:33,430
community as well.

2625
01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:34,040
Uh

2626
01:33:34,040 --> 01:33:36,200
I've discussed this. We We had the site

2627
01:33:36,200 --> 01:33:39,120
visit. We We reviewed the existing plan

2628
01:33:39,120 --> 01:33:40,680
documents, the active transportation

2629
01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:42,280
plan, the parks and recreation plan,

2630
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:44,360
just to name a few, specific site plans

2631
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:46,320
for and concept plans for a lot of these

2632
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:47,440
areas.

2633
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:48,800
Uh we looked at detailed mapping and

2634
01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,000
analysis and really done all we can to

2635
01:33:51,000 --> 01:33:52,840
have a holistic view of not just

2636
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,200
individual components of recreation, but

2637
01:33:55,200 --> 01:33:56,200
again,

2638
01:33:56,200 --> 01:33:59,520
the idea behind the strategic plan is a view of how all of these things

2639
01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:02,240
work together and how they form Payson

2640
01:34:02,240 --> 01:34:05,870
as a community as it is.

2641
01:34:05,880 --> 01:34:08,160
We're going to talk about we've we've

2642
01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:10,200
mentioned some strengths. There are

2643
01:34:10,200 --> 01:34:11,480
Payson that this is one thing that

2644
01:34:11,480 --> 01:34:13,240
really became apparent before and

2645
01:34:13,240 --> 01:34:14,880
especially during the site visit for me

2646
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:17,840
is you have so much to offer in such a

2647
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:20,080
good breadth and depth of outdoor

2648
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:22,280
recreation. There there are so many

2649
01:34:22,280 --> 01:34:24,160
options for members of your community

2650
01:34:24,160 --> 01:34:25,880
that there when we're talking about

2651
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:27,280
gaps, we're not saying like, oh, you

2652
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,560
know, you you don't offer a a

2653
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:31,000
fairgrounds for competitive pigeon

2654
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,680
flying and maybe you need that. That's not what it is, right? We are

2655
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:36,280
here to say that there are strengths and

2656
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:37,960
maybe there's a gap within that strength

2657
01:34:37,960 --> 01:34:39,960
that you can use to make it even better.

2658
01:34:39,960 --> 01:34:42,360
Every gap offers an opportunity. A lot

2659
01:34:42,360 --> 01:34:43,640
of what we have up here are things that

2660
01:34:43,640 --> 01:34:45,920
you're already doing and they're in many

2661
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:47,840
ways core to the identity of Payson. We

2662
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,040
can continue working on those strengths.

2663
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:52,400
We have five key takeaways from going

2664
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,280
through this the strengths assets assets

2665
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:55,640
and gaps and I want to review a lot of

2666
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:56,680
those.

2667
01:34:56,680 --> 01:34:58,680
So, our main key takeaway

2668
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:00,920
was that there's a need to invest in

2669
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:03,080
parks and adventure close to home.

2670
01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:05,720
This is one of the especially with city

2671
01:35:05,720 --> 01:35:09,120
parks within Payson city limits are all

2672
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:11,160
relatively centralized to the downtown

2673
01:35:11,160 --> 01:35:13,840
and adjacent areas and there's a lot of

2674
01:35:13,840 --> 01:35:15,600
current development and planned future

2675
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:16,800
development or potential future

2676
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:18,720
development, I should say,

2677
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:20,320
further away from that that may not have

2678
01:35:20,320 --> 01:35:23,040
that same level of of level of service

2679
01:35:23,040 --> 01:35:25,920
from nearby parks they don't exist. So,

2680
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:27,720
one of the things that we've identified

2681
01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:29,200
is that there could be a need in the

2682
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:30,960
future to continue planning for green

2683
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,920
spaces in those areas. Make sure that

2684
01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:34,200
what is currently offered to Payson

2685
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:36,640
residents is offered to potential future

2686
01:35:36,640 --> 01:35:39,640
Payson residents as well.

2687
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:41,600
Another one of our key takeaways is

2688
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:43,120
connection.

2689
01:35:43,120 --> 01:35:44,000
Uh

2690
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:46,720
again, the existing parks are very, very

2691
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,000
well connected and that is an amazing

2692
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:50,840
strength to be able for people in that

2693
01:35:50,840 --> 01:35:52,240
in those neighborhoods to be able to hop

2694
01:35:52,240 --> 01:35:53,400
on the bike trails and be able to

2695
01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:54,960
connect to these parks.

2696
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,280
And that's an opportunity that I think

2697
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:58,520
you can really lean into with continued

2698
01:35:58,520 --> 01:36:00,280
connection to other areas. Potential

2699
01:36:00,280 --> 01:36:02,040
connection to Quanas Park or Four Bay so

2700
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:05,240
that people don't have to drive their mountain bikes up to the the trail

2701
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,160
or or or have to drive out there to

2702
01:36:07,160 --> 01:36:09,600
hike, but they can instead take a path.

2703
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,520
Um

2704
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:12,720
This is more conceptual. We're not

2705
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:13,920
getting into any of the specific

2706
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:15,720
challenges associated with with making

2707
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:17,240
those connections, but holistically

2708
01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:18,680
there are a lot of opportunities like

2709
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:19,600
that.

2710
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,240
Bridging I-15, that's another one that

2711
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:23,720
I mean this map we have pulled up is

2712
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:26,240
from the active transportation plan and

2713
01:36:26,240 --> 01:36:28,200
is very detailed, but that's that's one

2714
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:29,640
of the complications is that can serve

2715
01:36:29,640 --> 01:36:31,280
as a barrier in some cases and there

2716
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:32,800
could be an opportunity to improve that

2717
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:36,070
connection.

2718
01:36:36,080 --> 01:36:37,960
Uh another key takeaway was expanding

2719
01:36:37,960 --> 01:36:40,480
Payson's adventure portfolio. Uh again,

2720
01:36:40,480 --> 01:36:42,160
we have some things listed up here that

2721
01:36:42,160 --> 01:36:45,280
I would classify as many of the reasons

2722
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:47,240
that people love outdoor recreation in

2723
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:49,000
Payson. Love, you know, you can go

2724
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:50,600
shooting. You can go

2725
01:36:50,600 --> 01:36:53,320
with your motorized recreation out in at

2726
01:36:53,320 --> 01:36:55,080
No, excuse me, at West Mountain. You

2727
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:56,520
have so many opportunities for mountain

2728
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:58,120
biking or or more of that dispersed

2729
01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,040
hiking and trail running up up Payson

2730
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:01,320
Canyon.

2731
01:37:01,320 --> 01:37:02,720
Uh so many of these other, you know,

2732
01:37:02,720 --> 01:37:04,000
winter sports.

2733
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:05,680
And in some cases what we're identifying

2734
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:07,840
here is that there's an opportunity to

2735
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,320
continue formalizing those and make sure

2736
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:12,080
that those that the community

2737
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:13,600
understands where they can really

2738
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,640
achieve this type of outdoor recreation

2739
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:19,430
that they want and and experience it.

2740
01:37:19,440 --> 01:37:21,040
Uh one of our other key key takeaways

2741
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:22,800
was was Four Bay.

2742
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,040
Uh key takeaway number four.

2743
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:27,840
Uh again, a great resource and we

2744
01:37:27,840 --> 01:37:29,360
recognize that it is a relatively new

2745
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:30,920
resource for the city.

2746
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:32,560
And there's an opportunity here to

2747
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,680
ensure that it is it is appealing not

2748
01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,160
just for any one specific user group,

2749
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:39,160
but that it it services all user groups.

2750
01:37:39,160 --> 01:37:40,440
We've seen this in other nearby

2751
01:37:40,440 --> 01:37:42,840
communities in Utah. Uh Draper with

2752
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:44,640
Corner Canyon and and just the amount of

2753
01:37:44,640 --> 01:37:46,520
popularity that gets.

2754
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:48,200
Four Bay is in many ways is similar,

2755
01:37:48,200 --> 01:37:49,680
located adjacent to your community with

2756
01:37:49,680 --> 01:37:53,120
great connectivity to it and and having

2757
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:54,760
any way to reduce any potential

2758
01:37:54,760 --> 01:37:56,240
conflicts and make sure that everyone

2759
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:57,520
knows that this is a place for them.

2760
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,120
It's not just for mountain bikers or

2761
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:02,520
equestrian users or runners or hikers.

2762
01:38:02,520 --> 01:38:04,440
And then the final thing is continuing

2763
01:38:04,440 --> 01:38:06,520
to expand adventure through public

2764
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,840
events. Uh specifically recreation

2765
01:38:08,840 --> 01:38:11,360
events. Um I was made me pretty happy to

2766
01:38:11,360 --> 01:38:12,600
come in here and notice that you have

2767
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:13,400
the

2768
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:15,040
of the decorations in the room you have

2769
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:16,640
the the Tour of Utah jersey up on the

2770
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,360
wall. And I think that's one of the

2771
01:38:18,360 --> 01:38:19,600
things that shows just how important

2772
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:24,800
recreation and community events are to Payson and it's one of the things

2773
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:25,920
that makes it home to adventure and

2774
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:27,360
continuing to lean into that could be

2775
01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:30,040
really important.

2776
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:32,120
So again to reiterate the next steps for

2777
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:34,640
us is going to be a community engagement

2778
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:36,520
piece where we reach out survey members

2779
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:37,640
of your community and we want to hear

2780
01:38:37,640 --> 01:38:39,720
from them. What do

2781
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:40,840
you know, we've done all this research.

2782
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:43,360
We think we we have a hopefully good

2783
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:45,280
idea of of what Payson has to offer, but

2784
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:46,440
we want to hear what's most important to

2785
01:38:46,440 --> 01:38:47,760
the residents and what they think they

2786
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:49,160
might be lacking.

2787
01:38:49,160 --> 01:38:52,480
Uh we want to hear from you and what you think we should ask your

2788
01:38:52,480 --> 01:38:54,840
community. What what do you think what

2789
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:56,960
do you want to learn from them about the

2790
01:38:56,960 --> 01:38:58,520
community?

2791
01:38:58,520 --> 01:38:59,520
Um

2792
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:00,800
that was most of what I've had for you.

2793
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,560
I pulled up this this slide that has a

2794
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,280
few questions on it. Um

2795
01:39:05,280 --> 01:39:06,520
you don't have to answer these specific

2796
01:39:06,520 --> 01:39:07,840
ones. You can ask other questions if you

2797
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,400
want, but this is just to to get the the

2798
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:15,040
thought process going and uh yeah, just to prompt some

2799
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:18,070
>> conversation.

2800
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:19,440
» Is there anything you'd like to hear

2801
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:20,640
from us? Do you have any questions for

2802
01:39:20,640 --> 01:39:21,560
us?

2803
01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:23,120
>> You're on your community engagement. Are

2804
01:39:23,120 --> 01:39:24,880
you going to have an open house besides

2805
01:39:24,880 --> 01:39:26,520
doing the survey or how you what are you

2806
01:39:26,520 --> 01:39:27,640
planning what are you planning do you

2807
01:39:27,640 --> 01:39:28,960
know?

2808
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:30,360
>> It's a great question.

2809
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:31,800
Uh Anders, do you remember? I believe

2810
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,200
it's a survey for sure. I do not know of

2811
01:39:34,200 --> 01:39:35,480
a

2812
01:39:35,480 --> 01:39:37,120
to what level the if there will be an

2813
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:40,190
open house as well.

2814
01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:40,880
» I can

2815
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:42,080
definitely

2816
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:51,550
get back to you.

2817
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,000
» I I think we'd like as much engagement

2818
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:56,720
of of the community as possible. So, if

2819
01:39:56,720 --> 01:39:58,880
it takes a couple events, whether it be

2820
01:39:58,880 --> 01:39:59,560
uh

2821
01:39:59,560 --> 01:40:02,560
>> a survey and an open house, something

2822
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:03,880
that we can

2823
01:40:03,880 --> 01:40:06,920
get a a broad scope of of

2824
01:40:06,920 --> 01:40:08,360
seniors,

2825
01:40:08,360 --> 01:40:10,600
middle age, and and our youth.

2826
01:40:10,600 --> 01:40:12,600
Um we we know that

2827
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:14,120
Payson is young

2828
01:40:14,120 --> 01:40:15,160
uh

2829
01:40:15,160 --> 01:40:17,840
comparatively, uh even though

2830
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:19,440
there's a couple silver hairs sitting up

2831
01:40:19,440 --> 01:40:20,360
here.

2832
01:40:20,360 --> 01:40:22,880
Uh Payson's relatively old

2833
01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,640
or young, sorry.

2834
01:40:24,640 --> 01:40:26,680
And so, I I think we need a good cross

2835
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:28,880
section, and the way to get that that we

2836
01:40:28,880 --> 01:40:31,280
found over over time has been an open

2837
01:40:31,280 --> 01:40:32,760
house and a survey.

2838
01:40:32,760 --> 01:40:34,800
>> And at least try to get people there. I

2839
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:37,520
mean, some of our open houses are

2840
01:40:37,520 --> 01:40:40,320
better attended than others, but

2841
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:42,240
>> It actually might be a good salmon

2842
01:40:42,240 --> 01:40:43,840
supper activity.

2843
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:44,440
>> Yeah.

2844
01:40:44,440 --> 01:40:45,680
>> Oh, yeah. Yeah.

2845
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:47,000
Cuz people will be there anyway.

2846
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:50,120
>> time. Just have QR codes there.

2847
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:53,560
>> I would want to make sure to ask them.

2848
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:54,800
I know this comes up in a lot of

2849
01:40:54,800 --> 01:40:58,680
surveys, but what they're willing to

2850
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,750
pay.

2851
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:04,720
Cuz it's not free. But, I can tell you

2852
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:07,600
right now, they're going to want to

2853
01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,680
a rodeo arena after this last week of

2854
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:12,680
discussion on the Facebook.

2855
01:41:12,680 --> 01:41:14,160
>> 100 million dollars

2856
01:41:14,160 --> 01:41:15,720
>> million dollars, but anyway, that would

2857
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:17,400
be my biggest thing is

2858
01:41:17,400 --> 01:41:19,480
and then in the process educating them,

2859
01:41:19,480 --> 01:41:21,880
maybe seeing like what other cities have

2860
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:23,840
done similar and what it cost the

2861
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:26,200
residents to do those things, because

2862
01:41:26,200 --> 01:41:27,520
you don't want to say like, "Well, I'm

2863
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,640
willing to give $5 a month." But, what's

2864
01:41:29,640 --> 01:41:31,240
that really going to get people? I

2865
01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:32,800
guess. Maybe that.

2866
01:41:32,800 --> 01:41:33,840
>> Um

2867
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,400
>> You know, the the ultimate hope with

2868
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:38,000
recreation not only elevating

2869
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,240
uh the quality of life mentally for for

2870
01:41:40,240 --> 01:41:42,800
residents and everyone else surrounding

2871
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:45,120
you know, recreation should actually pay

2872
01:41:45,120 --> 01:41:47,680
dividends financially to the residents

2873
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:48,560
too.

2874
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,360
By them coming here and and spending

2875
01:41:50,360 --> 01:41:52,920
that sales tax money here in Payson. One

2876
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:54,360
of the things that stood out like a sore

2877
01:41:54,360 --> 01:41:57,240
thumb and Brian mentioned it to me was

2878
01:41:57,240 --> 01:41:59,120
our lack of amenities in Payson.

2879
01:41:59,120 --> 01:41:59,640
>> Mhm.

2880
01:41:59,640 --> 01:42:01,640
>> That is something we struggle with so

2881
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:04,840
badly and anything that that we can do

2882
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:06,240
to help with that and also I think

2883
01:42:06,240 --> 01:42:07,840
recreation it goes both ways too. If

2884
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:09,880
people had a place to stay when they

2885
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:11,720
came to Payson, I think they'd come

2886
01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:13,800
recreate here more often too.

2887
01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:21,240
And so the the push the big push we need another hotel in Payson. And and a couple more. We have one on the

2888
01:42:21,240 --> 01:42:22,880
docket but uh

2889
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:24,280
it's it's not as serious as I want it to

2890
01:42:24,280 --> 01:42:26,560
be yet but uh we need to we need to

2891
01:42:26,560 --> 01:42:28,720
continue to elevate all of and and

2892
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:30,680
everybody wins when more people come

2893
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:32,800
here to recreate. You know, another

2894
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:34,680
great thing I saw that you noticed I'm

2895
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:36,560
grateful you noticed it was uh the need

2896
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,560
of multiple uses in different areas. I

2897
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:40,720
think that's so important. I think

2898
01:42:40,720 --> 01:42:42,960
sometimes some communities or events get

2899
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:45,920
too hyper-focused and shut down certain

2900
01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:47,600
events in certain places or certain

2901
01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:48,680
activities in certain places. I think

2902
01:42:48,680 --> 01:42:50,360
that hampers and hurts things. I think

2903
01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:52,200
the more the merrier to have uh mixed

2904
01:42:52,200 --> 01:42:54,480
use recreation in the same area.

2905
01:42:54,480 --> 01:42:56,360
I think that's so important. Another one

2906
01:42:56,360 --> 01:42:58,120
that gets a lot of use that I don't know

2907
01:42:58,120 --> 01:42:59,400
if I saw in here was actually our

2908
01:42:59,400 --> 01:43:02,040
frisbee golf course. Did you see that or

2909
01:43:02,040 --> 01:43:03,160
have you heard of that?

2910
01:43:03,160 --> 01:43:04,160
>> That did come up, yes.

2911
01:43:04,160 --> 01:43:06,000
>> Okay, very good. Yeah, that that is that

2912
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,760
is extremely popular uh up there too and

2913
01:43:08,760 --> 01:43:11,720
so I I love that area too and and I call

2914
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:13,720
it Beer Can Flats but Beer Can Flats is

2915
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:16,000
a wonderful area uh for families to go

2916
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:17,680
hang out and

2917
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:19,040
uh you know, that you do horse riding

2918
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:21,600
close by. You can do the frisbee golf.

2919
01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:23,640
Uh when when it snows in Utah, there's

2920
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,080
water right there too. Not this year but

2921
01:43:26,080 --> 01:43:28,200
I think the importance of uh of

2922
01:43:28,200 --> 01:43:30,600
elevating the ability to have mixed use

2923
01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:33,120
and multiple uses but also we need to

2924
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:34,560
really push hard and get some more

2925
01:43:34,560 --> 01:43:36,000
amenities in Payson because that will

2926
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:40,310
drive more recreation.

2927
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:41,360
» Yeah, thank you for highlighting that.

2928
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:42,520
That's been one of the key points that

2929
01:43:42,520 --> 01:43:44,560
we've been focusing and we flashed up

2930
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:46,400
some of the mapping of it, but

2931
01:43:46,400 --> 01:43:47,840
I mean, you could see that some of the

2932
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:50,120
food and and beverage accommodations

2933
01:43:50,120 --> 01:43:52,280
right now are not located directly next

2934
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:54,080
to trails or you know, increasing that

2935
01:43:54,080 --> 01:43:55,520
connectivity in some ways. We'll we'll

2936
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:57,200
have more specific recommendations to

2937
01:43:57,200 --> 01:43:58,440
come in the future.

2938
01:43:58,440 --> 01:43:59,840
>> I think that could be a good thing too

2939
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:01,920
for the for the chamber of of future

2940
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:06,040
businesses to show them, "Hey, these are high target recreation areas

2941
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:07,880
in Payson that is underserved. You could

2942
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:12,280
capture some of this money if they had a restaurant or an amenity of some kind

2943
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:14,200
that was close by." Because we're losing

2944
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:16,240
too much sales tax money in Payson. It's

2945
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:17,800
going elsewhere cuz people don't know

2946
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:20,120
where to go or what we do have is so

2947
01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:21,800
overused that they show up and it's too

2948
01:44:21,800 --> 01:44:22,920
busy and they have to leave.

2949
01:44:22,920 --> 01:44:25,440
>> Yeah. Well, they've got to establish

2950
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:28,520
>> Another thing to look at this too is um

2951
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:30,840
I know the library has a few things

2952
01:44:30,840 --> 01:44:33,160
people can rent, but we need more places

2953
01:44:33,160 --> 01:44:34,880
to rent like

2954
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:36,400
for

2955
01:44:36,400 --> 01:44:38,040
cross-country skiing or something like

2956
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:41,320
that or or mountain bikes or ATVs or

2957
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:42,440
something. We need that kind of

2958
01:44:42,440 --> 01:44:44,760
businesses too to attract people here

2959
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:46,960
that are visiting that don't bring that

2960
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:48,600
stuff. So we So it's more than just

2961
01:44:48,600 --> 01:44:51,520
having the amenities or that that, but

2962
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,240
having something so people can use it

2963
01:44:53,240 --> 01:44:56,640
too. So look at that. And um

2964
01:44:56,640 --> 01:44:58,080
you talked a little bit about winter

2965
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:00,880
sports and I think it Did Did you have a

2966
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,560
chance to talk to the Forest Service yet

2967
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:04,200
about that parking they're looking at

2968
01:45:04,200 --> 01:45:06,120
and where they are on that?

2969
01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:08,040
>> Uh I I don't want to say too much. I

2970
01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:09,320
believe that's probably more in in

2971
01:45:09,320 --> 01:45:11,080
Jill's court to to update the council

2972
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:13,040
on, but that is Those discussions are

2973
01:45:13,040 --> 01:45:13,880
ongoing.

2974
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:17,270
>> Okay.

2975
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:20,600
» Can I make one comment? Sorry, Council.

2976
01:45:20,600 --> 01:45:22,480
Um the one thing that I just wanted to

2977
01:45:22,480 --> 01:45:24,400
jump in with going on Councilman

2978
01:45:24,400 --> 01:45:26,160
Baroli's comment a little bit about

2979
01:45:26,160 --> 01:45:28,600
accommodation. One thing when that map

2980
01:45:28,600 --> 01:45:30,360
came up about food and beverages and and

2981
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:32,800
accommodation, we identified the hotel,

2982
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,760
but was there any consideration given to

2983
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:37,040
short-term rentals like Airbnb and stuff

2984
01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:38,200
like that?

2985
01:45:38,200 --> 01:45:40,080
>> Uh we did not do a holistic review of

2986
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:42,560
it. It's somewhat difficult to find

2987
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:44,440
easily accessible data on that.

2988
01:45:44,440 --> 01:45:45,560
>> Okay.

2989
01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:50,960
I I just think that that is a viable alternative as well. Um

2990
01:45:50,960 --> 01:45:52,880
something for the council to continue to

2991
01:45:52,880 --> 01:45:55,080
consider, but um

2992
01:45:55,080 --> 01:45:57,120
yeah, I think it's an important part of

2993
01:45:57,120 --> 01:45:58,600
recreation and accommodation in our

2994
01:45:58,600 --> 01:45:59,280
community.

2995
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:01,800
>> A lot of those three-story places could

2996
01:46:01,800 --> 01:46:03,000
become Airbnbs.

2997
01:46:03,000 --> 01:46:05,400
>> You know, it's typically the those those

2998
01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:06,720
cause me a little bit of heartburn, but

2999
01:46:06,720 --> 01:46:08,280
I think that would be a valuable data

3000
01:46:08,280 --> 01:46:10,440
point to have in the survey, too, is ask

3001
01:46:10,440 --> 01:46:12,360
the residents how do they feel about

3002
01:46:12,360 --> 01:46:13,960
short-term rentals in order to help

3003
01:46:13,960 --> 01:46:16,360
elevate Payson recreation opportunities.

3004
01:46:16,360 --> 01:46:17,320
>> Yeah, absolutely.

3005
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:18,680
>> and see what they think. I don't like

3006
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:20,240
it, but maybe maybe the residents like

3007
01:46:20,240 --> 01:46:26,590
it more than I do.

3008
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:27,800
» Uh Councilman Rowley, just to your

3009
01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:29,120
point, I just wanted to clarify one

3010
01:46:29,120 --> 01:46:31,240
thing, too, with the the the purpose of

3011
01:46:31,240 --> 01:46:33,120
this plan isn't solely as a as a

3012
01:46:33,120 --> 01:46:37,280
planning tool for the city. This is something we hope

3013
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:38,760
can be distributed to members of the

3014
01:46:38,760 --> 01:46:40,280
public. So, to your point of, you know,

3015
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:41,520
if you have potential business owners

3016
01:46:41,520 --> 01:46:43,920
coming in, this could be, we hope, I

3017
01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:45,280
mean, I would consider very successful

3018
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:46,240
if this is something you could hand to

3019
01:46:46,240 --> 01:46:47,240
them and say, "Hey, are you thinking

3020
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:48,600
about, you know, connecting to outdoor

3021
01:46:48,600 --> 01:46:49,960
recreation? This is what it looks like

3022
01:46:49,960 --> 01:46:55,110
in Payson. This is how you can use it."

3023
01:46:55,120 --> 01:46:57,640
» Look forward to the the next phase of

3024
01:46:57,640 --> 01:46:59,720
>> Me, too.

3025
01:46:59,720 --> 01:47:00,760
>> Thank you for your time.

3026
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:01,280
>> Thank you.

3027
01:47:01,280 --> 01:47:02,400
>> Any questions, Council?

3028
01:47:02,400 --> 01:47:03,560
>> Mhm.

3029
01:47:03,560 --> 01:47:04,160
Thank you.

3030
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:04,920
>> Good job.

3031
01:47:04,920 --> 01:47:07,950
>> Thank you.

3032
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:09,720
» Uh I You know what we didn't ask you the

3033
01:47:09,720 --> 01:47:11,880
whole time frame of completion.

3034
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,200
>> Oh, thank you. Uh we are expecting the

3035
01:47:14,200 --> 01:47:15,880
public survey in August.

3036
01:47:15,880 --> 01:47:16,360
>> Okay.

3037
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:18,240
>> And then we we'll have a draft of the

3038
01:47:18,240 --> 01:47:21,160
final plan in the fall or winter.

3039
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:23,440
>> Wonderful. Thank you.

3040
01:47:23,440 --> 01:47:25,640
All right, Council. Moving on to to item

3041
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:27,920
number F, I would accept a motion to

3042
01:47:27,920 --> 01:47:29,720
adjourn to closed meeting.

3043
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:31,000
>> So moved.

3044
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:31,640
>> Have a motion.

3045
01:47:31,640 --> 01:47:32,040
>> Oh.

3046
01:47:32,040 --> 01:47:33,760
>> I make a motion. I'll modify that a

3047
01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:35,440
little bit. We'll make a motion to

3048
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:38,040
adjourn to a closed meeting on July

3049
01:47:38,040 --> 01:47:42,560
15th, 2026 at 7:50 p.m. to for the

3050
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:44,080
discussion of

3051
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:46,480
real estate lease Excuse me, for the

3052
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:48,520
discussion of purchase, exchange, sale,

3053
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:50,040
or lease of real property.

3054
01:47:50,040 --> 01:47:52,520
>> We needed more details, didn't we?

3055
01:47:52,520 --> 01:47:54,400
>> I have a motion. Now I have a second,

3056
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:56,160
Council Member Moss.

3057
01:47:56,160 --> 01:47:57,360
Uh

3058
01:47:57,360 --> 01:48:00,200
Roll call vote. Council Member Smith.

3059
01:48:00,200 --> 01:48:00,840
>> Yes.

3060
01:48:00,840 --> 01:48:01,560
>> Council Member Hughes.

3061
01:48:01,560 --> 01:48:02,080
>> Yes.

3062
01:48:02,080 --> 01:48:02,960
>> Council Member Morrell.

3063
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:03,440
>> Yes.

3064
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:05,720
>> Council Member Proskauer. Yes.

3065
01:48:05,720 --> 01:48:06,680
Council Member Moss.

3066
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:08,320
>> Yes.

3067
01:48:08,320 --> 01:48:09,960
>> We're now in a closed session. Thank

3068
01:48:09,960 --> 01:48:11,440
you, everybody, for being here this

3069
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:17,430
evening.

3070
01:48:17,440 --> 01:48:21,680
» Well, in 5 years, if I