[0:02] Recording in progress.
[0:06] » First time I've ever had to use that.
[0:09] We'd like to welcome
[0:11] uh citizens and staff
[0:13] to our city council meeting tonight.
[0:16] Um we'll excuse the mayor
[0:19] and before we start with a prayer and a
[0:21] pledge,
[0:22] uh I would accept a motion to
[0:25] call for mayor pro tem.
[0:30] » I make a motion that uh we appoint Bob
[0:33] Proskauer as mayor pro tem.
[0:35] >> I'll second.
[0:36] >> I have a motion and a second. By roll
[0:38] call vote, Lacy.
[0:40] >> Yes.
[0:41] But my my name's not listed.
[0:43] >> Ryan.
[0:44] >> Yes.
[0:45] >> Ryan.
[0:45] >> Yes.
[0:46] >> Bob.
[0:47] >> Yes.
[0:48] >> And Anne.
[0:48] >> Yes.
[0:49] >> Motion carries.
[0:51] Uh I'll offer the word of prayer and
[0:53] then I've asked Chief or I've asked our
[0:55] attorney
[0:56] if he would give us uh or help assist us
[0:59] in the pledge.
[1:05] Our Father in heaven, we bow our heads
[1:06] this evening grateful as citizens of
[1:08] Payson
[1:09] to come together and to do the business
[1:12] that needs to be accomplished this
[1:14] evening and we invite the spirit here in
[1:16] doing so
[1:17] that we as a council may come together
[1:19] and make the decisions that are best for
[1:22] our community.
[1:24] Father, we note the absence of our mayor
[1:26] this evening and
[1:28] we ask that the surgeries that were
[1:30] performed on him today
[1:33] will bring him back to us speedily
[1:35] that the doctors that assist him and
[1:37] attend him
[1:39] will use their wisdom and knowledge that
[1:41] will return him
[1:42] back to
[1:45] mayor of Payson.
[1:47] We give thanks for the moisture that's
[1:49] being received throughout the state.
[1:51] We continue to pray for moisture here,
[1:53] Father
[1:54] and ask that thou will be mindful of our
[1:56] needs.
[1:57] Uh we pray that our citizenry will
[2:00] continue to be
[2:01] um
[2:03] cautious in the water and conservative
[2:05] that they use
[2:06] that we might be able to participate
[2:08] with other communities in saving
[2:10] the necessary water.
[2:12] To this end, Father, we pray now in the
[2:14] name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
[2:16] >> Amen.
[2:19] » Please stand up.
[2:21] Pledge allegiance
[2:23] >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the
[2:25] United States of America and to the
[2:28] republic for which it stands, one nation
[2:31] under God, indivisible with liberty and
[2:35] justice for all.
[2:36] >> Thank you.
[2:38] Still my [clears throat] mic and get it
[2:39] closer.
[2:40] >> No, she already got it in there.
[2:41] >> Is it working, Lysia?
[2:42] >> Yeah.
[2:42] >> Okay.
[2:43] >> She got it.
[2:48] » All right. We have the consent agenda
[2:50] this evening.
[2:51] Uh
[2:54] we have the approval of the July 1st,
[2:55] 2026 Council meeting minutes, the
[2:58] confirmation of the monthly financial
[3:00] information,
[3:02] a resolution allowing additional
[3:04] properties in the Pony Express Inland
[3:06] Port, and I assume Council's had an
[3:08] opportunity to look at that one
[3:10] specifically.
[3:11] Uh the one water conservation uh plan
[3:14] update.
[3:16] Um
[3:17] that is our consent agenda for this
[3:19] evening. I would accept a motion.
[3:21] >> I have I have a couple statements and
[3:22] questions on that. I am grateful for the
[3:24] expansion of the Inland Port
[3:26] opportunities for businesses that will
[3:28] help both Payson and the residents and
[3:30] the businesses. I do have a question
[3:32] about the water conservation plan
[3:33] update.
[3:35] Um on there was included a fee schedule.
[3:37] Did any of those fees change?
[3:40] >> [clears throat]
[3:43] » I don't I don't think so.
[3:47] » No, but they talked about the tiered
[3:48] stuff, right?
[3:49] >> The tiered the tiered usage-based
[3:52] payment based on usage. Yeah.
[3:58] And those have been tiered rates before,
[3:59] correct? Okay, so none of those fees are
[4:02] increasing.
[4:03] >> I thought that it said that the tier two
[4:05] for culinary
[4:09] possibly was.
[4:13] » It would.
[4:14] >> Okay.
[4:14] >> I think that's what it said. Here's some
[4:16] things that you could do to preserve
[4:18] more water.
[4:18] >> Okay.
[4:30] I was just
[4:32] Okay, very good. I wanted to clarify
[4:33] that before we voted on that that we're
[4:34] not changing the fees. Thank you.
[4:37] >> Um, I had a couple questions really
[4:38] quick.
[4:39] Um
[4:43] It talked about from 2021 to this one,
[4:46] it had talked about an audit program,
[4:49] but it hadn't started yet from what I
[4:52] read. Is that correct?
[4:54] Are we going to start it? Cuz it
[4:56] recommended it in 2021
[4:59] and it sounded like like auditing like
[5:01] where the leakage and different meters.
[5:05] >> My understanding is that that that is
[5:06] ongoing.
[5:08] >> Okay.
[5:10] I just wanted to make sure that and then
[5:13] um
[5:13] I know it talked about like education of
[5:15] for residents,
[5:17] but I know that lately it's been talk
[5:19] people been talking a lot about um the
[5:21] different programs to like that you can
[5:25] get incentives to help
[5:27] um change up landscape and such.
[5:30] If we can maybe just like proactively
[5:33] include that stuff, um I think that
[5:36] would be beneficial and even if there's
[5:37] areas in the city like our landscape, I
[5:41] think that would be really beneficial.
[5:44] >> Um
[5:45] that's a really that's a really segue
[5:47] into saying we we have actually worked
[5:50] with the um
[5:52] the uh
[5:53] conservation
[5:54] >> Central Utah
[5:55] >> Thank you.
[5:56] >> Conservation
[5:56] >> Um to develop some uh plans for
[5:59] especially along American Way to
[6:02] basically do a demonstration garden
[6:04] along there to say this is what uh
[6:07] conservation water conservation can look
[6:09] like and we have actually budgeted to do
[6:12] that uh probably in the spring.
[6:15] >> So that can be an example to residents
[6:17] and other businesses of what the flip
[6:18] your strip program in particular could
[6:20] look like.
[6:22] >> Okay.
[6:22] >> Mhm.
[6:23] >> And and residents have taken advantage
[6:25] of that.
[6:25] >> Okay, and we still have that like
[6:27] incentive that they can Okay, cuz
[6:29] someone had asked it.
[6:30] >> So we So the city had to adopt specific
[6:33] landscaping standards in order for our
[6:36] residents to be eligible for the rebate
[6:38] program through um Central Utah.
[6:41] >> Okay.
[6:42] Overall though it looked like the usage
[6:44] like was being down was that's great.
[6:46] >> Yeah, that is good.
[6:51] » What's that?
[6:52] >> I did want to have one thing on two is
[6:54] uh figure 5-2 it shows available water
[6:57] that we have in Payson. Um
[7:00] it'd be probably good to let people know
[7:02] that uh in Payson we're
[7:05] we have a lot of available water and
[7:07] they're always worried about water for
[7:08] growth. But if you look at how much
[7:10] water we're using for what we have
[7:12] available coming to us it's we're we're
[7:15] in really good shape so I think it'd be
[7:17] good to let people know that.
[7:20] >> Federal water comes to you all that's
[7:21] water.
[7:23] And you'd be in good shape for a long
[7:24] time. It's expensive water but
[7:26] >> Yeah, paper water we're
[7:27] >> Paper water we're good.
[7:29] >> we're good.
[7:29] Half drought situation
[7:31] >> Real water is a different story. Yep.
[7:33] >> [clears throat]
[7:35] >> Any further discussion?
[7:37] I'll accept a motion on the consent
[7:39] agenda.
[7:40] >> So moved.
[7:41] >> Second.
[7:42] >> Go ahead.
[7:43] >> Second.
[7:44] by by Councilmember Moss.
[7:47] Uh Councilmember Moss.
[7:48] >> Yes.
[7:49] >> Councilmember Proscia, yes.
[7:51] Councilmember Ryan.
[7:53] >> Yes.
[7:54] >> Here we go again.
[7:55] >> I know.
[7:56] Councilmember Hewlett.
[7:58] Councilmember Smith.
[7:59] >> Yes.
[8:00] >> Motion carries.
[8:02] All right, Jim.
[8:04] Chamber of Commerce quarterly report and
[8:06] update.
[8:13] » [laughter]
[8:16] » Oh, wow.
[8:17] >> Wow, this is a special one.
[8:18] >> Yeah.
[8:21] Thank you, Jim.
[8:22] >> Next time it'll actually be in your
[8:23] packet if you want it.
[8:25] >> While Jim's passing that out, we
[8:26] participated with a ribbon cutting
[8:29] ceremony with Jim and the council and
[8:31] the chamber down at Jersey Mike's this
[8:34] morning. What a fun event.
[8:36] Thank you, Jim, for your efforts.
[8:39] >> Well, you check my first uh bullet
[8:40] points.
[8:41] >> Oh, sorry.
[8:42] >> [laughter]
[8:43] >> Now, it was great. We were so excited to
[8:45] have them here and they did not know
[8:47] that Lowe's was being built in their
[8:49] backyard. So, they're pretty excited uh
[8:53] to to find out that news. So, that's uh
[8:56] that's going to be very good little area
[8:58] of commerce right there.
[9:01] So, we keep getting better at the
[9:04] Chamber of Commerce. I am Jim Rowland,
[9:06] the President and CEO of the Chamber of
[9:08] Commerce. Um
[9:10] and we put together an actual quarterly
[9:13] report
[9:14] um
[9:15] this time around. We meant to get it to
[9:17] you a week earlier, so it was in your
[9:19] packet. Um so, next quarter, I think
[9:22] we'll be able to do that.
[9:24] Um just uh to to kind of summarize some
[9:27] of the the bullet points in here, um
[9:31] we really work hard to impact the
[9:35] community as well as our businesses.
[9:38] Um and I think you'll see that
[9:40] throughout the the packet. Our monthly
[9:43] meet and need lunches right now are
[9:45] bringing in
[9:47] 30, 40, sometimes 50 people. Uh we're
[9:50] meeting in different locations around
[9:52] town.
[9:53] Um which introduces people to new
[9:56] locations that either are new in
[9:59] business or new to them. So, uh we've
[10:02] done a really good job of of breaking in
[10:05] some newer businesses in town.
[10:08] Um
[10:09] we successfully partnered with Santaquin
[10:12] City again to kick off um incredible
[10:15] Santaquin Hometown Market um last Monday
[10:19] or this past Monday.
[10:21] We actually had 62 booths
[10:24] including six food trucks, um live
[10:27] entertainment, a couple bounce houses.
[10:30] Um the crowds actually weren't as big
[10:31] this month as they were or this week as
[10:34] they were a couple weeks ago where we
[10:36] probably pushed well over 1,000 people
[10:38] at the first couple events.
[10:40] So, the exciting news to report
[10:45] is we've agreed with Payson City to pull
[10:48] off a Payson
[10:50] Hometown Market as well,
[10:53] um which we are predicting will be right
[10:55] out here on this lovely lawn where we
[10:58] can easily get 62 booths and food trucks
[11:01] and lots of people to come.
[11:04] So, we're excited um to put all that
[11:06] together
[11:07] um
[11:08] starting next year. And um
[11:12] we worked with WICP
[11:14] um the Payson Central Tech Project
[11:16] groundbreaking.
[11:18] Um excited for that project. I know you
[11:20] guys are very familiar with that.
[11:23] Um that's going to really bring in a lot
[11:25] of great businesses. Our chamber's
[11:27] growing um and highly engaged. We
[11:29] welcomed 28 new members this year. We
[11:32] have an 89% retention rate
[11:37] as we work together with our new staff.
[11:40] Which reminds me, I forgot to put in our
[11:41] new staff in our quarterly report.
[11:43] Probably the best thing that happened in
[11:45] our quarter for me. So, we hired two new
[11:47] employees, a secretary and a COO,
[11:50] Analisa Doneagain and David Rowley.
[11:53] And we've been trying to split up the
[11:55] responsibilities of operations and
[11:57] events,
[11:59] which is really going to help us
[12:00] progress and grow the chamber and the
[12:02] support the businesses.
[12:06] And financially, we finished the first
[12:07] half of the year in a stable position.
[12:09] We generated $46,190
[12:12] in total revenue against $44,208
[12:16] in expenses.
[12:18] Unofficial numbers at this point,
[12:21] leaving us with a net positive revenue
[12:23] of $1,982.
[12:26] And we have
[12:29] some events coming up, the Garage to
[12:31] Great workshop, which was a big success
[12:33] at MTech
[12:35] the Payson campus last year. So, we'll
[12:36] be doing that on October 22nd.
[12:39] And our annual awards gala on February
[12:41] 4th in Santaquin.
[12:45] So, if you can get February 4th on your
[12:47] calendars now, then we would love to
[12:50] have all of you and of course the mayor
[12:53] and our city leaders to
[12:55] make time in their schedule to come and
[12:57] join us for that
[12:59] fund event.
[13:03] We worked with Robert to learn a little
[13:05] bit about the park tax and
[13:09] shared that opportunity at Scottish
[13:12] Festival with the residents.
[13:15] I would say most people have no idea
[13:17] what we're talking about when I bring it
[13:19] up.
[13:20] Until I tell them all the things that it
[13:22] has contributed to.
[13:24] So, it really seems like a no-brainer to get that passed, but I think we have
[13:29] some education to do to make sure people
[13:31] really understand where all that money
[13:33] has gone for the last 10 years. Um
[13:37] and
[13:39] Jersey Mike's, like I said, was a big
[13:40] success today, and that is my report.
[13:44] So, any questions or comments?
[13:47] >> Jim, thank you so much for all the work
[13:49] that you do. It is We have a great
[13:52] Chamber of Commerce, so done so much
[13:54] work
[13:55] and a really great group of people, and
[13:57] it's an honor for me to serve on that
[13:59] board
[14:00] just as a
[14:02] city council member, but um You guys do
[14:06] a great job.
[14:07] >> Just yes.
[14:07] >> important asset on our board.
[14:09] >> [laughter]
[14:10] >> Thank you.
[14:10] >> Um but you guys are awesome, and
[14:13] please tell them all thank you for us.
[14:14] >> Thank you.
[14:16] Jim. I even see we have a net
[14:18] revenue this year, so that's exciting. A
[14:20] little better report than last year, so
[14:21] >> We're halfway through the year, and we
[14:23] haven't received your money yet in the pot, so that should be good for
[14:28] the last
[14:29] >> [laughter]
[14:29] >> The budget's approved, so check's in the
[14:31] mail.
[14:33] Oh, yes, the city money. I thought you
[14:34] were talking about me.
[14:35] I was like, don't hold your breath.
[14:37] Okay, yeah, yeah. You're in the budget.
[14:39] You're good.
[14:39] >> You're welcome to join the Chamber
[14:40] [laughter] of Commerce, too, you know.
[14:44] » Check's in the mail.
[14:45] >> good news, so we've worked really hard.
[14:46] The grant last year really helped, um
[14:49] you know, keep some of our expenses
[14:51] down, so
[14:52] um we would love to get another grant,
[14:54] and hopefully we've got the manpower now
[14:56] to go after some more of those,
[14:58] which really contributes to the
[15:00] communities.
[15:02] >> Thank you, Jim.
[15:04] Keep up the good work.
[15:05] >> Any other Any other questions or
[15:06] comments?
[15:08] >> Thanks, Jim.
[15:09] >> All right. Thank you very much.
[15:10] >> Moving on, uh I-15 interchange update is
[15:14] Mr. Loveland
[15:16] here from UDOT?
[15:19] So, I guess we'll continue this again
[15:20] >> third time he's canceled on us.
[15:22] >> Let me do a quick one though. Um we we
[15:25] were able to meet with UDOT last week
[15:28] uh giving a little bit of update on some meetings that they've been having
[15:33] with the Federal Highways Division.
[15:35] Um
[15:36] They
[15:38] the the state representatives of Federal
[15:40] Highways have been reviewing this
[15:42] project and they had a few questions
[15:44] about our interchange and how it works
[15:46] and things like that. Um and they had
[15:49] reached out to UDOT to come up with some
[15:51] solutions that would avoid having
[15:54] further review in DC.
[15:56] So, we really appreciated that. As
[15:58] Payson City, we appreciate that
[16:00] partnership that um UDOT has with the
[16:03] Federal Highways Division specifically
[16:05] within the state. Um they're going to be
[16:08] proposing some possible measures that
[16:11] would maybe be needed uh including, you
[16:14] know, some sort of barrier at North Main
[16:16] Street to prevent left turn lanes into
[16:20] or left turn actions into McDonald's if
[16:23] you're northbound and things like that
[16:25] as a safety precaution just to make sure
[16:27] that things are working. It might not be
[16:29] necessary, but it those are
[16:32] measures that if they were ever needed
[16:35] might take place.
[16:36] Um they just wanted to get Payson City's
[16:38] okay with that. Um
[16:41] we we are supportive of that just to
[16:43] improve the safety along that area and
[16:46] also to encourage
[16:48] McDonald's to consider
[16:51] a continuation of of that road right
[16:53] there. So, we we were supportive of
[16:55] that, but basically we just wanted to
[16:56] update you all, let you know that that
[16:58] was happening, but let you know that
[17:00] relationships are really good. So,
[17:02] thanks.
[17:04] >> I guess the big question is is are we
[17:06] still on schedule?
[17:07] >> Yes.
[17:10] >> It's the big That's the big elephant in
[17:11] the room.
[17:13] All right. Moving on, number three,
[17:15] public forum.
[17:16] Anything uh that the citizenry would
[17:19] like to to bring before the council that
[17:21] is not on the agenda.
[17:24] We'd ask you to keep your comments short and concise and
[17:29] you're welcome to come forward now if
[17:30] you'd state your name.
[17:32] Uh
[17:34] » State camera forever. Hold my
[17:36] >> That's exactly right.
[17:39] » I'm I'm Sandy Huff.
[17:46] to
[17:47] aware of an event that we're doing for
[17:50] our community. We do this it's a free
[17:54] backpack giveaway and the backpacks are
[17:57] filled with school supplies
[18:00] and it's for school age children that
[18:03] normally would not have the backpacks
[18:06] and the supplies to go to school.
[18:08] So I have left each of you with
[18:12] one of these. It does have
[18:15] a QR code and so if you know anybody
[18:19] that might
[18:21] be in need of help. If you just want to
[18:23] pass that information, if you would pass
[18:26] that information, then we would really
[18:28] appreciate it. We plan to do about 1200
[18:32] backpacks each year. So
[18:35] I think most of you are familiar with
[18:37] Tabitha's.
[18:38] So we do uh
[18:40] appreciate they this backpack giveaway.
[18:44] It will be over at the landmark
[18:46] high school in Spanish Fork and they
[18:49] also have other services available like
[18:52] the
[18:53] each year the Lions Club goes over and
[18:55] just does eye testing and we can refer
[19:00] if anybody needs glasses, then we can
[19:03] refer them to a an eye doctor and then
[19:06] the the Lions Club works in conjunction
[19:09] with them to pay for the exam and the
[19:11] glasses. And there are other services
[19:14] also that are available over
[19:18] at this backpack giveaway. So, we just
[19:21] wanted you to be aware that that's what
[19:24] we try to do for a neighbor school
[19:26] district every year. And if you know
[19:27] somebody, then
[19:29] um we would like to make sure that
[19:32] everybody that needs one gets a chance.
[19:36] And we appreciate the support that we
[19:37] get from Payson community. Thank you.
[19:41] >> Thank you, Sandy.
[19:42] >> What a worthy worthy cause.
[19:46] Anyone else like to come forward?
[19:53] Is there anybody on Zoom
[19:55] that's got their hand up?
[19:57] Not seeing that we have any other that
[20:00] we'll move on to
[20:02] council and staff reports.
[20:05] Staff?
[20:10] » I'll jump up really quick. Um council
[20:12] members, a few things um just first of
[20:15] all, hopefully all of you saw the
[20:17] announcement that uh about our Onion
[20:19] Days concert, Aaron Watson will be
[20:21] coming. Um we would ask that you promote
[20:24] that. Uh we're we're excited this year
[20:27] to be uh more participatory in that
[20:29] concert, and there's a lot of effort
[20:31] that goes into planning that. And uh we
[20:34] really appreciate uh the hospital for
[20:36] their continued support uh and everybody
[20:39] here at Payson City that's been really
[20:41] pulling out a lot to do that. Um
[20:45] couple other things uh
[20:47] we had our First Friday event uh in
[20:51] downtown. Several of you were there at
[20:53] that. Um probably about over a thousand
[20:56] people
[20:57] uh for that event. Um
[20:59] it it's really great to see the
[21:01] community come together for those types
[21:03] of things. Um
[21:05] if there's any businesses in the sound
[21:07] of my voice, I hope that they
[21:08] participate more in that in the future.
[21:10] I think it would be great. It's an
[21:11] awesome opportunity for people to come
[21:13] downtown and and we would love their
[21:15] participation.
[21:17] We really appreciate the historic
[21:19] downtown group for their support of that
[21:21] event. Um the the business retention
[21:26] committee of the of the economic
[21:28] development board.
[21:30] We are sponsoring an event for small
[21:33] businesses tomorrow. That's a networking
[21:36] event. It's like a taste of Payson.
[21:40] We've we've sent out over 300
[21:42] invitations to the Payson community.
[21:45] It'll be here in this room where we've
[21:48] invited lots of different food vendors,
[21:50] restaurants, and everything to come and
[21:52] just
[21:53] bring samples of what they offer and
[21:56] provide an opportunity for those
[21:57] businesses to
[21:59] collaborate, find ways that they can
[22:01] support each other, and and let let them
[22:04] know that the city is also very
[22:06] supportive of all of their efforts, and
[22:07] we appreciate that. So, that'll be
[22:09] tomorrow
[22:10] here in the chamber chambers from 6:30
[22:13] to 8:00. You're all welcome to attend
[22:15] that as well. There should be some good
[22:16] food here. So, we're excited. Um and
[22:19] then
[22:21] I can't believe Jim didn't mention this,
[22:24] but planning for the Payson Christmas
[22:27] Festival has started.
[22:30] That was not the Christmas in July I was
[22:32] expecting yesterday, but we're excited
[22:34] for that. Um that'll be the Saturday
[22:37] following Thanksgiving.
[22:40] Again, thinking about different vendors.
[22:43] Last year was hugely successful.
[22:46] And so, we just want to make sure that
[22:49] that's on your calendar. There'll be a
[22:50] lot of events. The Um the day before
[22:53] that will be Santa Dash and lighting of
[22:56] Patina, and then lighting of the
[22:58] Christmas tree in downtown the next day.
[23:00] So, thank you.
[23:02] >> Thank you.
[23:03] Any other staff that would like to come
[23:05] to council?
[23:07] Not seeing that, we'll go to
[23:10] council member Moss.
[23:12] >> Okay. Um
[23:14] I just wanted to say um
[23:18] how awesome it was to be part of the
[23:20] Scottish Festival
[23:22] this last week. Um walked in the I
[23:25] walked in the parade with Bob and the
[23:26] mayor
[23:28] and
[23:29] um
[23:31] waved at a few people. It's always kind
[23:33] of awkward walking in a parade cuz no one's there to see
[23:36] you, really. They're just there to see
[23:38] the bands and their kids and all that
[23:40] stuff. So,
[23:42] um but it was just amazing to hear the
[23:44] bagpipes and see all the community
[23:46] support and um bagpipes are near and dear to my heart. So, that
[23:52] it always gets to you. It's just an
[23:53] emotional sound.
[23:54] Um but I love that Payson embraces the
[23:57] Scottish um heritage.
[24:00] And and then that same night, it was an
[24:02] honor to go to the fireman's barbecue
[24:04] and have just the most delicious steak
[24:07] you have all year. Like it is really good and so um Chief Spencer,
[24:11] thanks for the invitation and it's
[24:13] always good to talk to the current and and retired
[24:18] firefighters and EMS people and what a
[24:21] what an amazing bunch of people.
[24:24] And it always reminds me my grandpa who
[24:26] was a firefighter for decades and so
[24:29] just good good people. Um and then last
[24:33] city council, I wasn't able to be here.
[24:34] I wasn't feeling well. So, I just wanted
[24:36] to make a comment um
[24:39] it was
[24:41] near um the 4th of July and I just
[24:44] wanted to make a comment on how much I
[24:46] love our country and freedoms we enjoy
[24:48] and
[24:49] um I love this flag and I love this
[24:51] country and I'm grateful for all all of
[24:53] it. So, and thanks to all of our staff
[24:56] and how amazing you guys are. That's all
[24:57] I've got.
[24:58] >> Thank you.
[25:00] Council member Ryan.
[25:03] >> Thank you, Bob. I want to thank the
[25:06] uh
[25:07] the landscaping crews around the city. I
[25:10] think I think Main Street looks awesome.
[25:13] The Little Rock stream there that's been
[25:15] well maintained. All the parks, the the
[25:17] grass is already recovering from the
[25:19] Scottish Festival. So really
[25:21] make sure your crews know that our city
[25:23] looks really good right now and I'm
[25:25] really proud of them and all the work
[25:26] they're doing to do those those little
[25:28] things by straightening up and pulling
[25:29] weeds and pruning trees.
[25:31] I think it looks awesome. I sat down
[25:33] while I was waiting for for lunch and
[25:35] just watched just the buzz of downtown
[25:37] Main Street now since since we redid it
[25:40] and that's continues to have a lot of
[25:42] potential as we attract businesses that
[25:44] will will continue to help cultivate
[25:46] that.
[25:48] Um I want to I want to thank big time
[25:50] the Utah Food Bank. I love driving past
[25:53] the city center and seeing their truck
[25:54] parked here once a week and all of the families and kids that rely on that
[25:59] during school time to get meals. I'm so
[26:01] thankful for that.
[26:02] I did want to put something on the the
[26:05] road radar. I know we have a lot of
[26:07] needs as far as roads go. Um but add
[26:09] this to the 3-mile long list.
[26:12] Uh the railroad tracks on Utah Avenue
[26:15] where they've they've they're paved over
[26:17] just past past I-15. Oh, that's that is
[26:20] really harsh right now. That that's
[26:22] that needs to be at least filled but
[26:24] even better
[26:26] cut out and redone right there. The the
[26:28] asphalt will never quite be good enough
[26:30] around the railroad tracks. Takes a lot
[26:31] more maintenance.
[26:32] So I'd like to see that get some
[26:34] attention. That's such a busy road for
[26:36] us and then also we have so much
[26:37] commercial traffic that goes down that.
[26:39] And a lot of it's with the help of heavy semis and gravel trucks but that asphalt patch job over the railroad
[26:45] tracks has failed and that needs to be
[26:47] looked at. And then I also want to put a
[26:50] plug in about the road
[26:52] uh that the West Mountain Church sits on
[26:55] that's now in Payson City.
[26:57] Uh I can't remember the the street name
[26:59] number of that one, but uh but yeah, the
[27:01] county has repaved
[27:03] and then it stops and it turns into
[27:05] Payson City Road. It's a pretty harsh
[27:07] difference
[27:08] uh there there past past Hyatts. And so
[27:11] I I would like to see that road paved
[27:13] sooner than later. That needs to be
[27:15] widened a touch and repaved. We went to
[27:17] the trouble of annexing it out there. We
[27:19] cannot forget them. We need to We need to pony up and provide a
[27:23] better road for them out there
[27:25] sooner than later.
[27:27] And
[27:29] I think that I know that's all my
[27:30] complaints tonight, but but really thank
[27:32] you staff and and residents, too. Thank
[27:35] you all for working so hard and
[27:37] answering all of our questions and being
[27:38] so accessible and and and Dave and
[27:41] Robert, I want to specifically mention
[27:43] you how timely you are to responding to
[27:45] us, but also the residents that send
[27:47] those emails through the various
[27:49] reach out to us through through the
[27:51] various ways. You guys are always really
[27:52] quick to get back to them and
[27:54] communicate and and I noticed that. So,
[27:56] thank you.
[27:58] » Councilor Friel.
[28:00] >> I'll just have one thing. It's
[28:01] somebody's birthday today. I think we
[28:02] ought to sing happy birthday.
[28:04] >> [laughter]
[28:07] [clears throat]
[28:07] >> Happy birthday to you. Happy birthday to
[28:12] you. Happy birthday, dear Lacy. Happy
[28:17] birthday to you.
[28:23] » So nice.
[28:25] Is it my turn?
[28:25] >> It is, birthday girl.
[28:27] >> Uh yeah.
[28:29] I uh
[28:31] this is going to be the most adult thing
[28:32] ever in my 43 years of life. This was my
[28:36] very first birthday I did not take off
[28:39] for the day and I'm also here. So, uh
[28:43] I guess I'm officially an adult.
[28:45] >> So.
[28:47] >> Yes, we all make mistakes. I love
[28:49] birthdays. I was one of seven and your
[28:52] birthday was your day. So, birthdays are
[28:55] special, but thank you.
[28:59] So, I was going to say
[29:01] I'm super excited for Aaron Watson and I
[29:03] have been pushing that. I used to see
[29:06] him when I was in my 20s in like
[29:10] clubs, bars and
[29:13] he's great. So, whoever picked him, way
[29:16] to go.
[29:17] Um we went to the squash festival also
[29:20] and that was really awesome.
[29:23] We had really strong community
[29:25] attendance and
[29:27] so, just great. Whoever, you know,
[29:29] everyone that made that a success,
[29:31] thanks.
[29:33] I was curious
[29:35] who we can
[29:37] even if you tell me who to reach out to,
[29:39] I will personally do it.
[29:41] Who can we reach out to to clean up,
[29:44] beautify our city of political signs
[29:47] that are still hanging around?
[30:04] » Sorry, that was one of the most highly
[30:07] debated amendments this past
[30:11] session
[30:12] where they are making cities
[30:14] hold on to them, so collect them, hold
[30:17] on to them for at least 2 weeks, try and
[30:19] contact the owners of them and if they
[30:21] don't come get them, then after a period
[30:23] of time we can finally do something to
[30:24] get rid of them, but
[30:26] yeah, it's been hotly debated the
[30:29] placement of them because they want to
[30:31] be able to place them in the park strips
[30:34] and if you allow the political signs, we
[30:36] can't stop
[30:38] other real estate
[30:40] business and other things. So, it's
[30:42] still hotly contested and I think
[30:43] they'll come back to it again this this
[30:44] session. But
[30:46] >> We can see if we can grab them off the
[30:47] pole.
[30:48] >> Okay. Like if I spot one, I can just
[30:50] shoot an email or
[30:51] >> Both.
[30:53] >> Okay. I'll send you a message. Yeah, I
[30:55] just
[30:55] >> We're obligated to keep them for at
[30:56] least 2 weeks and
[30:57] >> Well, the election was was 3 weeks ago.
[30:59] So, the time limit is up.
[31:01] >> So, the our city has kept them. Our city
[31:03] property has kept them.
[31:04] >> Well, but aren't we still in election
[31:07] cycle cuz we haven't had the election?
[31:08] We had the primary, but
[31:10] >> But those that those that were defeated
[31:13] >> Yeah, our ones that have been defeated.
[31:16] Yeah.
[31:16] >> holding out hope, right?
[31:18] >> They're just Well, it's usually the the
[31:20] it should be the responsibility of the
[31:22] person that puts it out. And and the
[31:23] bigger the election, the more they just
[31:26] give signs out to people that support
[31:28] them. And so, maybe some of those people
[31:29] just aren't forgetting, but There's some
[31:31] really big ones.
[31:33] Yeah. So.
[31:34] >> I think what they need to do is put
[31:35] something in legislation that they get
[31:37] fined for each sign the city picks up
[31:39] because the city has to do that work,
[31:41] then they ought to pay for it.
[31:43] >> Yeah.
[31:44] Um
[31:45] And then I just have two more things.
[31:46] The other was I wanted to specifically,
[31:49] I'm going to super make him maybe red,
[31:52] thank Robert.
[31:55] I met with him the other day and I I
[31:57] went in there with seriously less than
[31:59] 30 minutes and
[32:01] like
[32:02] thinking.
[32:03] And I was there for an hour and a half.
[32:06] And he is just so incredibly helpful.
[32:09] He's always so thoughtful in his
[32:10] responses.
[32:12] I truly feel like every time I speak
[32:14] with you, you listen to everything that
[32:16] I say and you, even if you don't have an
[32:18] answer, you're writing it down and you
[32:20] always get back to me. So, I just I'm
[32:21] really thankful.
[32:22] Um and then the last thing
[32:25] I didn't really want to have to say this
[32:26] on my birthday, but
[32:28] um
[32:29] I would just want to do address a
[32:30] concern and I hope this is the right
[32:31] place. So, a concern was brought to my
[32:33] attention
[32:35] um that they were informed that
[32:39] comments from our June 17th meeting,
[32:41] which was the budget meeting,
[32:43] um, has led many city employees to
[32:46] believe that I do not respect them and
[32:49] do not believe that they deserve raises.
[32:53] Um, I'm very thankful that all of our
[32:55] meetings are recorded so that we can
[32:58] review exactly what I said.
[33:00] And
[33:01] when that came to my attention, I said,
[33:03] "That is not what I said." And I pulled
[33:05] it up right then and um, my comments
[33:08] were simply that there may be years when
[33:10] based on the city's financial
[33:12] circumstances and the challenges that
[33:14] our residents are facing, I may not be
[33:16] able to support a salary increase.
[33:20] Um, that's a fiscal decision. It's not a
[33:22] reflection on my respect or appreciation
[33:24] for any city employee. I value the work
[33:27] of every employee and I really
[33:29] appreciate all that you guys do for and
[33:32] all of they do for the community.
[33:34] Um, I think everyone up here knows that
[33:37] serving as a city council member, you
[33:39] make a lot of difficult decisions.
[33:41] And not everyone's ever going to agree
[33:43] with what I say or what my vote is, um,
[33:46] but different opinions are healthy and
[33:49] they should never be mistaken for a lack
[33:50] of respect. And so I just want to put it
[33:53] out there that if any resident or city
[33:55] employee ever has questions about
[33:57] something that I say or how I voted, I
[34:00] really encourage you to come to me,
[34:02] um, directly. I'm happy to have a
[34:05] respectful conversation, provide any
[34:07] clarification.
[34:09] But open communication, I think everyone
[34:11] believes
[34:12] and
[34:13] that it helps prevent misunderstandings
[34:16] like that and helps us stay focused on
[34:18] our town and what we're all really
[34:21] trying to do. So, I just really wanted
[34:22] to put that out there cuz
[34:25] it was a kind of a shock when that
[34:28] employee said, "I heard you don't
[34:30] respect us and you don't think that we
[34:31] deserve a raise and
[34:34] it was really
[34:35] kind of the first blow of
[34:37] being in the city council being like
[34:39] that is not what I said. So, anyway, I
[34:41] respect you all, everyone that's in this
[34:42] room, everyone that's not in this room.
[34:44] I truly do and I'm always open to talk
[34:46] to anyone and I'm a very open book. So,
[34:49] that's it.
[34:50] >> Thank you. Thank you.
[34:52] Uh I I would just give a shout out Dave
[34:54] and Robert if you could. I think there
[34:56] was two departments involved with the
[34:58] demolition of the old Dixon meat uh facility.
[35:03] It looks awesome.
[35:05] Uh
[35:05] waiting to see what we're going to put
[35:07] there.
[35:08] Uh I'm sure we've got a lot of uses and
[35:10] a lot of people grabbing for it, but it
[35:13] looks awesome and cleaned up.
[35:15] Uh
[35:16] >> Yeah, Dave
[35:17] >> Well,
[35:19] he swung the track all around one time.
[35:23] Uh other than that, I I appreciate Brad,
[35:26] his officers going around and
[35:29] helping the beautification committee
[35:30] with what we're trying to accomplish
[35:32] right now.
[35:33] I received uh
[35:35] on that letter, I think I've received
[35:37] five comments.
[35:38] Five uh
[35:40] things with the letters that we've that
[35:42] we've sent out and they've all been very
[35:44] positive with the exception of I did
[35:47] mine and I'm grateful to do it cuz I'm a
[35:49] Payson City resident, but
[35:52] and then they would give an address of
[35:53] somebody that really need Did you send a
[35:55] letter to them?
[35:56] So,
[35:58] we're not just not singling people out.
[36:00] We're just trying to do a do a take pride in Payson campaign.
[36:07] » And then I have one one more thing I
[36:09] forgot. We had made up some park tax
[36:11] plaques to put on things that Have those
[36:14] been installed?
[36:17] Okay, very good. That is that that was
[36:18] really awesome. They looked really good.
[36:20] >> I really appreciated Lacy's uh comments
[36:23] uh
[36:24] education on on the park tax.
[36:26] That was very, very good.
[36:29] >> Put out and I'll keep sharing that, too.
[36:31] Yeah.
[36:33] >> Moving on.
[36:34] Item number E, action items. We have an
[36:36] ordinance amendment to Payson City Code
[36:39] 2.52.040,
[36:41] Economic Development Board.
[36:44] Brandon, you're up.
[36:50] » So, Mayor Pro Tem and Council, this
[36:53] proposed amendment is intended to
[36:56] simplify the process for
[36:58] the Economic Development Board to select
[37:01] their members. In the past, it's been
[37:03] very difficult to get the whole
[37:05] committee together to
[37:07] constitute a quorum to interview, make
[37:10] the selections, and recommend someone to
[37:13] the council for approval. So, by
[37:15] amending the code to allow the um
[37:19] the city manager,
[37:21] the um
[37:23] the board chair,
[37:25] or their designees, and
[37:27] um
[37:29] the Development Services Director or
[37:30] their designee to meet, just those
[37:32] three, it allows um
[37:34] it to move faster,
[37:36] to be a simpler process, and um
[37:39] get those recommendations and interviews
[37:41] done a lot quicker. So, it would be to
[37:43] not require the full committee to make a
[37:45] bigger quorum, but a smaller quorum.
[37:48] But, still go through the process.
[37:50] >> Any discussion by the council?
[37:51] >> I
[37:52] I'm trying to hurry and
[37:53] >> Pull up the uh
[37:56] I did have a question on uh regarding
[38:00] the appointment.
[38:02] Oh, shoot. Where did I
[38:05] um
[38:06] It said that the a member of the City
[38:09] Council
[38:11] sits on that
[38:12] board, and that's decided by the City
[38:14] Council.
[38:15] I thought perhaps that should probably
[38:17] be a decision made by the mayor of which
[38:19] City Council member sits on that board.
[38:21] Is that not how we've been doing it?
[38:24] Mhm.
[38:24] >> [clears throat]
[38:25] >> That is a good question. I don't know
[38:26] how we have been doing it.
[38:28] >> I have to think the last time
[38:30] it might be on the council assignments
[38:32] that the mayor sends out.
[38:33] >> I I I believe that is
[38:35] >> It is. So,
[38:36] >> It's an assignment the mayor makes.
[38:37] >> I think that should remain an assignment
[38:39] that the mayor makes.
[38:40] >> I agree.
[38:41] >> Rather than us deciding which council
[38:43] member to go on, I think it should that
[38:45] should be at the mayor's discretion of
[38:47] which city council members appointed to
[38:48] that economic board.
[38:51] >> Cuz he makes the decision for all the
[38:52] other stuff that he appoints us to.
[38:55] >> Yeah.
[38:55] >> Does any of the council have any
[38:57] >> But on the committee vote, the the
[38:59] committee itself like those that we
[39:01] interview,
[39:02] we we make recommendation but it it all
[39:04] comes to city council for approval of
[39:06] the appointment.
[39:08] >> So, then yeah, it's certainly
[39:09] >> But I'm talking about the just city
[39:10] council member that's that's on that
[39:12] board.
[39:13] >> Yeah.
[39:14] >> Okay.
[39:15] Council, all good with that?
[39:18] Then I would accept a motion.
[39:21] >> I'll make a motion that we accept the
[39:23] amendment to the Pace City Code Economic
[39:25] Development Board and with the inclusion
[39:27] of that uh
[39:29] mayor makes appointment of the
[39:32] uh
[39:33] city council representative to the
[39:34] board.
[39:35] >> I'll second.
[39:36] >> I have a motion and a second. Roll call
[39:38] vote. Si- uh
[39:40] Council member Smith.
[39:42] >> Yes.
[39:43] >> Council member Hewlett.
[39:43] >> Yes.
[39:44] >> Council member Rowley.
[39:45] >> Yes.
[39:45] >> Council member Probst Guard. Yes.
[39:48] Council member Moss.
[39:49] >> Yes.
[39:49] >> Motion carries.
[39:52] Item number two,
[39:54] resolution of the Dinkin- Dinkins
[39:56] annexation petition for consideration of
[39:59] further review located at approximately
[40:02] 933 South 650 West consisting of 10.865
[40:07] acres. Michael.
[40:08] >> Emily wanted me to point out that
[40:10] address is somehow addressed to Salem
[40:13] even though they're unincorporated, so I
[40:15] don't know. She pulled it up from the
[40:17] county parcel map and that's the address
[40:19] I gave, so.
[40:20] >> Okay.
[40:20] >> Anyway, the area the map I show you will definitely put
[40:26] it in perspective where this is.
[40:45] Okay.
[40:47] Um so, tonight it's just a consideration
[40:50] for further review on the parcels noted
[40:53] there.
[40:54] Um the applicant is
[40:57] has approximately 10.865 acres
[41:01] and they're asking for the R110 zoning
[41:04] designation with this annexation
[41:06] request. So, council's role tonight
[41:08] would just be whether to accept or deny
[41:10] this annexation request for further
[41:12] review.
[41:13] Um if accepted, then staff would begin
[41:16] to work with the application sponsor and do all of the processes related to
[41:20] an annexation request.
[41:23] So,
[41:24] we'll zoom in here for you.
[41:35] That is the parcel there.
[41:37] Um as you can see, if you're familiar
[41:40] with the subdivision to the west, that's
[41:43] uh Quail Mountain right there, so.
[41:45] Um
[41:46] and I don't know what that county road
[41:48] is, but for us it would be 1500 East if
[41:51] that eastern boundary was in the city,
[41:54] so.
[41:55] That kind of puts it in perspective for
[41:56] you, the area.
[41:59] Um
[42:00] so, staff has seen several requests for
[42:02] annexation in this area. Each request is
[42:05] for a relatively small
[42:07] um area of consideration, and so our
[42:10] concerns center around all of these
[42:12] bullet points
[42:14] um for each of these requests, not just
[42:16] this one being requested tonight, but I
[42:17] just wanted to bring it up to you. So,
[42:20] when we get a small request, it's
[42:21] difficult to properly plan for
[42:23] utilities, including whether or not to
[42:25] have a regional or a small private lift
[42:28] station,
[42:30] transportation network, our block
[42:32] lengths and our city grids,
[42:35] connectivity to adjacent properties
[42:37] within and without the city boundaries.
[42:40] Um and then application sponsors
[42:42] typically only want to micro focus on
[42:45] the properties that they are wanting to
[42:48] have considered for annexation.
[42:50] Um and this makes it difficult and
[42:51] inefficient for
[42:53] um
[42:54] us to plan utilities, roads,
[42:56] neighborhood connectivity, emergency
[42:58] response.
[42:59] That being said, uh I wanted to share a
[43:01] map with you of
[43:04] this request and then the other requests
[43:07] we've had recently in this area.
[43:10] So,
[43:13] this first one,
[43:18] I'm something weird. There we go.
[43:23] This is the Dinkins one, which we were
[43:24] just uh showing on the earlier map.
[43:29] This is the Braithwaite annexation
[43:31] that's currently under consideration.
[43:41] My computer thinks it has to be smarter
[43:43] than me. Okay.
[43:45] Um this is the the Ludine Mark and
[43:48] Marjorie Haskell annexation under
[43:50] review.
[43:52] Down here at the bottom in blue is the
[43:54] Haskell annexation that's currently
[43:56] under review.
[43:58] And then we've received uh phone calls
[44:01] and had conversations about parcels in
[44:04] purple
[44:05] as a possible additional annexations to
[44:08] be brought for the
[44:11] uh city council to consider for further
[44:12] review.
[44:13] So, as you can see, there's a lot of
[44:15] interest in this area to consider for
[44:17] annexation.
[44:20] Any questions about any of these so far?
[44:25] >> Um go ahead, Lacey.
[44:26] >> Oh, I was I don't know if now's the time
[44:28] for my question. Um I'm just
[44:31] curious like what the process is of cuz
[44:34] this is putting a lot of stress on you
[44:35] guys, I assume, of having so many
[44:38] different ones instead of all of them
[44:40] getting together. Like and I also know
[44:42] that the East Side Plan does ask that we
[44:47] they don't do this sporadic. So, I just
[44:49] didn't know what the process is. Like is
[44:50] this normal? Like for me not knowing.
[44:54] >> I would say this is fairly typical
[44:56] because people tend to be approached by
[45:00] developers and individuals wanting to
[45:01] develop and
[45:03] >> Okay.
[45:03] >> they sweeten the pot of what's going to
[45:06] what they're going to pay if they get
[45:07] annexed. And so, um it's usually a
[45:09] snowball effect, that sort of a thing.
[45:11] >> Okay.
[45:12] >> We always tell anyone that talks to us
[45:15] to to look at adjacent properties and
[45:17] try to
[45:18] gather as many as they can when they're
[45:21] considering an annexation request. That
[45:23] doesn't necessarily happen, but
[45:25] >> I just worry about the yeah, like you
[45:27] guys being stretched a little bit with
[45:30] so much, but I just didn't know if it is
[45:33] affecting you guys or not, so.
[45:35] >> Thank you.
[45:36] >> I have one question, Michael. The The
[45:38] general plan calls That's all on R1A out
[45:41] there, correct?
[45:42] >> I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.
[45:43] >> The general plan calls for an R1A in
[45:46] that entire area.
[45:48] >> No, so there's the East Side
[45:50] Comprehensive Plan that covers this
[45:52] area.
[45:53] >> Right.
[45:53] >> And the East Side Comprehensive Plan
[45:55] going from
[45:57] um 100 South there at the top of the the
[46:00] highest purple one,
[46:01] >> Mhm.
[46:02] >> um down to Salem Canal Road, the
[46:04] majority of that area is designated as
[46:07] what's called traditional.
[46:09] >> Yeah.
[46:09] >> Which is in the size category of a third
[46:12] to a quarter acre lots.
[46:14] >> Is the Isn't the planning commission uh
[46:17] Didn't they recently refer staff to
[46:20] reevaluate the Eastside comprehensive
[46:22] plan to align it with the general plan?
[46:25] >> Um only for some property I'm going to
[46:28] use my cursor only for property where my
[46:30] cursor is right here.
[46:31] That was a a zone change requested an
[46:34] applicant brought forward and so they
[46:36] made that recommendation um
[46:38] for a change to what currently that area
[46:42] was called um
[46:43] >> active living, which is 55-plus type
[46:46] community. Um and the recommendation by
[46:48] planning commission was to change that
[46:50] to the district, which would allow for a
[46:52] variety of housing sizes and types.
[46:55] >> But that was only for that particular
[46:56] parcel.
[46:56] >> So that's already in Payson city
[46:58] boundaries.
[46:58] >> Correct.
[46:59] >> And so the these these uh
[47:01] these parcels in question specifically
[47:04] uh
[47:04] Dinkins uh that one is zoned R110
[47:09] according to the plan.
[47:11] >> It doesn't have a zoning cuz it's in the
[47:12] county, but the designation that the
[47:14] plan says would be that traditional,
[47:17] which is the third to a quarter acre.
[47:19] >> Okay.
[47:20] But typically when we annex, we bring
[47:21] them into a holding zone until they they
[47:24] bring a developer.
[47:24] >> Um we've done both. It just depends on
[47:27] what council feels comfortable with.
[47:29] >> Okay.
[47:33] Any other questions by the council?
[47:36] Does the property uh
[47:38] Could we go back to just highlighting
[47:40] the Dinkins
[47:41] uh
[47:42] request cuz that's what we're we're
[47:44] specifically talking about. Thank you.
[47:47] Um
[47:48] do we know with this with this
[47:49] particular parcel require a private lift
[47:52] station to handle the sewage?
[47:55] I know we don't know definitively uh but
[47:58] >> Um from what I understand, Travis is not
[48:00] here, but from what I understand, we
[48:01] don't know that. If it can flow to
[48:05] um
[48:06] Quail Mountain, then no, but
[48:10] we don't have definitive information to
[48:12] know that yet.
[48:13] >> The Quail Mountain lift station is
[48:15] private. Correct. So, they would have to
[48:17] I agree have allowed more sewage.
[48:19] >> They may even have to upsize that one,
[48:21] so.
[48:24] The staff preference on this would be
[48:26] for it to flow north to 100 South. Um
[48:31] but that would also not necessarily
[48:34] this property and and the density that
[48:36] they would propose, but from what I
[48:38] understand what Travis said to us
[48:39] yesterday is everything in this area
[48:42] flows to a lift station north of SR-198,
[48:47] and that's at capacity. I don't know
[48:49] that
[48:50] whatever number of homes that could go
[48:51] in here would put it beyond capacity,
[48:53] but but he's did say it is at capacity
[48:55] now.
[48:56] >> And that road, if I'm correct, is going
[48:59] to be the Payson Parkway.
[49:01] >> Yes, that one that's on the east border
[49:03] of the the yellow square, yes.
[49:05] >> Yes. And so, does does this request or
[49:08] are are we even far enough down down the
[49:10] road, so no pun intended, uh to require
[49:12] road dedication?
[49:14] >> I think that's a very valid uh thing to
[49:16] consider with an annexation. We we've
[49:18] talked to the other properties um on
[49:21] that Ludine, Mark Haskell one about that
[49:24] very thing, and I think that it would be
[49:26] prudent to consider that with this
[49:28] property as well.
[49:31] » So, one thing is we're looking at these
[49:33] uh since there's quite a few different
[49:34] parcels, smaller parcels,
[49:37] and they're they're under further
[49:39] review, except for this we haven't voted
[49:41] on yet, but um can we say that they need
[49:45] to work together, so we kind of plan
[49:46] this whole area because they're under
[49:48] further review, so can we tell them this
[49:50] is what we far as our further review,
[49:52] you've got to come together and have a
[49:54] plan for this area, lift station, water,
[49:57] roads and things like that.
[49:59] >> We expect that anyway, but having that
[50:02] voiced from the council, especially in
[50:04] this setting where where if you're going
[50:06] to consider it for further review and
[50:07] you voice it from the bench, I think
[50:09] that holds an additional weight, so that
[50:11] would be very valuable.
[50:12] >> Because of the
[50:14] uh the low the low score that staff gave
[50:16] it, um I'm I'm hesitant to approve it
[50:19] for for for future review, uh except for
[50:22] the fact it does meet the size
[50:23] requirement. However, I feel strongly,
[50:25] too. I would feel uncomfortable
[50:27] approving this
[50:29] uh at the final stance uh because of the chopped up nature of all the other
[50:34] surrounding parcels as well and uh the
[50:36] strains that puts on the rest of
[50:38] residents to try to subsidize and
[50:40] subdivide and help someone develop their
[50:43] individual small little pieces when they
[50:44] could all just bring this in, work
[50:47] together, make it bigger, make it flow.
[50:48] That way we don't have a bunch of little
[50:50] blotchy little
[50:51] tons of different neighborhoods with
[50:53] different uh housing styles and such and
[50:55] road connections and sewer lift stations
[50:57] and utilities.
[50:59] The thing we need to remember is for
[51:00] each one of these small parcels that is
[51:02] annexed, uh while we have impact fees to
[51:05] try to absorb some of that cost, all of
[51:07] us uh
[51:09] bite the bullet to run utilities and
[51:11] power and roads. And so, you know, the the hidden blessing of doing the
[51:16] smaller ones is we usually have less
[51:17] density,
[51:19] uh which is a good thing, especially in
[51:20] this area, uh but my fear is if we keep
[51:23] approving all of these little small ones
[51:24] everywhere, it's we're opening the can
[51:26] of worms. It's already opened.
[51:28] And uh and they're getting smaller and and then pretty soon we're
[51:32] approving things for two or three houses
[51:34] or four houses and that just does does
[51:37] not pencil out for the residents and
[51:39] it's not fair for the residents to
[51:40] subsidize someone's small development.
[51:43] So, for this council member, uh Uh,
[51:45] speaking for myself, uh if if we're
[51:48] going to move forward with this, these
[51:49] property owners need to get on the same
[51:51] page and work together and create a plan
[51:53] that flows well specifically for roads
[51:55] and utilities uh, to make it fair for
[51:58] all of the Pace residents and to make
[52:00] this work better than a bunch of little
[52:01] chopped up
[52:03] different neighborhoods.
[52:06] » I disagree.
[52:08] I am respectfully.
[52:09] Uh,
[52:10] I remember the day when we were excited
[52:13] to get one and two acre
[52:15] uh,
[52:16] annexation requests.
[52:18] The things that have been put in place
[52:20] since that day
[52:22] uh, of of a
[52:24] staff review of not only roadways but
[52:27] sewer lines, power lines, water lines.
[52:31] I mean, we pretty well already know
[52:32] what's going out there as far as roads.
[52:35] Uh, it's pretty self-explanatory and for
[52:37] staff
[52:38] to be able to have the opportunity to
[52:40] look at it
[52:41] upon a request gives us a bigger picture
[52:44] of what we need to do
[52:47] beyond that particular annexation.
[52:50] Uh,
[52:50] I would love to see everybody
[52:53] uh, to the left of
[52:55] where that yellow is, all that to the
[52:57] left come in at the same time.
[52:59] But, we don't have the right to tell
[53:01] property owners what they can and can't
[53:02] do
[53:03] with their property and if they request
[53:06] annexation, I believe we have the right
[53:08] or we have the responsibility
[53:11] to at least let staff know us let us
[53:13] know if it's feasible.
[53:16] And and will meet
[53:18] the quality of roads and the quality of services that we need to provide.
[53:24] So, this is just this is just uh, if I
[53:28] read it right, it is just a
[53:29] consideration for further review which
[53:32] puts if we so likely vote for this
[53:35] it puts the wheels in motion for a
[53:37] council staff and engineering to look at
[53:39] it. Is that correct?
[53:41] >> That's correct.
[53:45] » Any other discussion?
[53:47] >> I I just encourage the property owners
[53:49] again um
[53:51] that let's work together on this. This
[53:53] area already has enough cul-de-sacs as
[53:55] we can see on this map. Uh and and
[53:57] that's because there was no future
[54:00] thought to the road. You're just
[54:01] thinking of the the four squares within
[54:03] your own parcel, which I get and you
[54:04] absolutely have the right to to ask to
[54:06] do whatever you want with your parcel.
[54:08] We we also hold the right to
[54:10] uh
[54:11] to take that and review and say yes or
[54:13] no and and uh I I wonder about the
[54:15] timeliness of all these coming in
[54:17] separately. So, that's my concern. Uh I don't have a lot of heartburn
[54:21] approving it for further
[54:22] uh in further consideration,
[54:25] uh but with all these coming at me
[54:26] separately with the the knowledge I have
[54:28] now, I wouldn't feel comfortable voting
[54:30] for any one of them particularly.
[54:34] » Any further discussion?
[54:38] No further discussion. I'll accept a
[54:40] >> motion.
[54:40] >> I'll make a motion that we approve the
[54:42] Dinkins annexation petition for
[54:44] consideration for further review uh
[54:46] located at whatever the address is, the
[54:50] right address.
[54:51] Um
[54:52] >> You could state the parcel number.
[54:54] >> I don't have the parcel number, so
[54:57] Anyway, the one that's up on the on the
[54:59] screen.
[55:01] Um but I do uh since there's other ones
[55:04] have been uh for further review also
[55:07] that uh
[55:08] that they
[55:10] try to work together and make this a all
[55:13] these parcels kind of work together. So,
[55:15] just uh that's not a requirement, but
[55:18] it's highly recommended.
[55:21] >> Particularly for the city, I I agree,
[55:22] Brian. I would just say particularly for
[55:25] the city to consider
[55:27] uh they work together. I have a motion.
[55:29] >> I'll second.
[55:30] >> I have a second.
[55:32] Council member Smith.
[55:40] » I'm going to say no only because I voted
[55:41] no on the other ones and I feel like
[55:44] they're kind of the same reason, so no.
[55:46] >> Council member Youle?
[55:47] >> Yes.
[55:48] >> Council member Rouleau?
[55:49] >> Yes.
[55:50] >> Council member Perusich? Yes. Council
[55:52] member Moss?
[55:53] >> Yes.
[55:54] >> Motion carries.
[55:56] Item number three.
[55:59] Resolution approving the first amendment
[56:01] to the Villages at Arrowhead Park
[56:03] development agreement.
[56:05] Michael, you're still up.
[56:09] » Okay.
[56:10] Um so tonight um
[56:13] what's being considered is an amendment
[56:15] to an existing development agreement
[56:17] that's already in place.
[56:19] Um the applicant seeks to allow the
[56:22] flexibility of having an option of
[56:24] three-story twin homes and town homes in
[56:27] the property. Currently, it only allows
[56:29] two-story.
[56:30] Um
[56:32] so tonight it's
[56:34] city council will be making that
[56:35] decision, approval or denial of the
[56:36] requested development agreement
[56:38] amendment.
[56:39] Um
[56:41] giving you a quick zoom in on this cuz
[56:42] everybody loves it when we zoom in on on
[56:44] these locations.
[56:47] >> This is helpful.
[56:47] >> And it is.
[56:50] So it is there where my cursor is. I
[56:53] think I have more things that Okay, so
[56:57] uh that was a horrible color to use.
[56:59] Um
[57:00] but [laughter]
[57:01] the reason why that color is that way is
[57:04] so it matches the color that's of the
[57:06] text on the side there. So this was the
[57:09] >> the
[57:10] >> area that uh is included in the
[57:13] development agreement is that um
[57:16] odd-shaped
[57:17] parcel there surrounded in the yellow
[57:19] hashed line.
[57:21] Um so it's further broken down into a
[57:24] phase one and a phase two.
[57:28] So phase one is here
[57:30] and this is currently under construction
[57:32] with uh townhomes and twin homes in uh
[57:36] the two-story uh high capacities.
[57:40] Uh so phase three would be or sorry,
[57:42] phase two would be the rest of it.
[57:45] All of that area that's highlighted in
[57:46] red.
[57:48] Um
[57:49] so the applicant, like I said before, is
[57:50] seeking to amend the agreement to allow
[57:53] that flexibility of two and three-story
[57:56] twin and townhomes. Uh the current
[57:58] prospective buyer intends to build all
[58:00] three-story units if if this amendment
[58:03] is approved.
[58:06] >> So it wouldn't wouldn't be a mix. It
[58:07] would be all or nothing.
[58:08] >> So the the app the applicant is um
[58:13] the
[58:14] property current property owners
[58:16] uh the original developers of the
[58:18] property and if they for some reason
[58:21] things don't work out with the
[58:22] prospective buyer, they still want the
[58:24] flexibility to have both. And so that's
[58:26] why they had the language written the
[58:28] way they they did.
[58:31] These are um
[58:32] current housing product uh examples that
[58:36] are going on in phase one of the
[58:39] development. As you can see the
[58:40] townhomes and the twin homes there.
[58:46] These are some sample housing products
[58:47] if the request for the amendment is
[58:49] approved would be for the phase two.
[58:54] Uh so you can see the townhome examples
[58:56] there on the left and the twin home
[58:58] examples on the right.
[59:02] » This is there um
[59:04] >> Sorry.
[59:04] >> some of the surrounding uh development
[59:06] that's already there. Uh what is the
[59:08] height of those buildings? Are they
[59:09] three?
[59:11] >> The ones that are in that that uh
[59:14] northern portion, phase one, those are
[59:15] two. Um
[59:17] immediately to the north beyond the
[59:19] road, I believe they're getting into
[59:22] three-story there.
[59:23] >> There's apartments and then there are
[59:26] townhomes to
[59:28] >> some Yeah, there's some some town homes
[59:30] to the west that are three stories.
[59:31] >> ones.
[59:35] Three and two story. They kind of like
[59:36] >> Is Is this a market-driven decision? Is Is
[59:41] there a need for
[59:43] additional square footage?
[59:44] >> Does this increase density by allowing
[59:46] taller
[59:47] >> No. No, it doesn't Well, I mean, it
[59:49] would allow for larger home units,
[59:52] potentially four
[59:54] uh bedroom units.
[59:55] >> Not more bedrooms.
[59:55] >> not that increases density
[59:57] is determined on who's using the
[59:59] property.
[1:00:00] Um
[1:00:02] but no additional units would be
[1:00:05] proposed with it.
[1:00:07] Yeah.
[1:00:08] Um the applicant provided this graphic
[1:00:11] to show um currently um you can see the smaller um tan boxes are the twin
[1:00:20] units. They don't have the driveway
[1:00:23] approaches. It's just a total pad site
[1:00:26] for building the town home or the twin
[1:00:29] home.
[1:00:30] This graphic shows that they would be
[1:00:32] putting in the the driveways on the twin
[1:00:35] home units there. So,
[1:00:37] that's just to kind of illustrate that
[1:00:39] there. So, uh the point would be that um
[1:00:42] if the if this goes through and the
[1:00:44] buyer buys it, they would reduce the
[1:00:46] footprint of those twin homes
[1:00:49] so that on the ground floor
[1:00:51] and then they could have room for that
[1:00:52] driveway and then have that second story
[1:00:55] have the additional um square footage
[1:00:58] for the homes.
[1:00:59] >> I see that there
[1:01:01] the driveway, which is great, especially
[1:01:03] a two-car driveway.
[1:01:06] Other than that, I don't see much
[1:01:09] parking outside of that. And then it
[1:01:12] makes me think there's going to be a lot
[1:01:14] of street parking, which
[1:01:17] the three-story ones to the west run
[1:01:20] into that a lot.
[1:01:22] Um does this is this sufficient for the
[1:01:25] city's like requirements?
[1:01:28] >> So they're not they're not changing
[1:01:30] anything in the site plan or the plat
[1:01:33] recorded plat. So you any of the
[1:01:35] off-street parking you can see that's
[1:01:37] perpendicular to the roads. That's all
[1:01:40] existing with what was approved with the subdivision of this. They're not
[1:01:44] changing any of that. If they were to do
[1:01:46] that, they would have to go through a
[1:01:47] whole process.
[1:01:49] >> Okay. So this was already what was
[1:01:50] approved like the amount of parking.
[1:01:52] Okay.
[1:01:52] >> It's actually increasing the amount of
[1:01:54] parking because of those driveways.
[1:01:55] >> Okay.
[1:01:56] >> Yes, I'm I'm still a a little confused
[1:01:59] why they want to increase the height
[1:02:01] uh to begin with. They've already
[1:02:02] entered into a development agreement
[1:02:04] with with the city to do two-story. Uh
[1:02:07] it seems to me, maybe I'm totally out of
[1:02:09] touch, that this would this would cost
[1:02:11] more to do add an extra level and also
[1:02:13] limit your buyer pool. Uh I don't know
[1:02:15] if anyone's been in those three-story
[1:02:16] townhomes, but it's
[1:02:18] >> It's garage, staircase, kitchen,
[1:02:21] staircase, bedrooms, and yeah, I I I'm I
[1:02:24] guess I'm just uh scratching my head uh
[1:02:27] like like Bob mentioned, is this
[1:02:28] market-driven or where's where's the need? I I
[1:02:32] >> So we do have the potential buyer here
[1:02:34] that can can talk to some of those
[1:02:36] questions if you want.
[1:02:37] >> Okay, that'd be good.
[1:02:37] >> Um but if you if you'd like, I'll I'll
[1:02:39] finish what I've got here and then we'll
[1:02:41] invite them up.
[1:02:42] >> Okay.
[1:02:44] » Um so we already talked about this to
[1:02:46] some degree. There was a devel-
[1:02:47] development agreement. Um development
[1:02:50] agreements are mutually approved
[1:02:52] documents between both parties. In this
[1:02:54] case, it would be the developer and the
[1:02:57] city.
[1:02:58] Um
[1:03:00] The development agreement was recorded
[1:03:01] on May 8th, 2025. City Council has no
[1:03:05] obligation to make an amendment to this
[1:03:08] development agreement. Um if the City
[1:03:10] Council would like to make an amendment,
[1:03:13] but maybe they want to see some
[1:03:14] potential
[1:03:15] additional changes, they could suggest
[1:03:17] those and if both parties agree to it,
[1:03:19] that could also be part of this
[1:03:21] amendment.
[1:03:22] Um
[1:03:24] Staff would just recommend if you are in
[1:03:26] favor of moving this forward and and
[1:03:28] approving it that
[1:03:30] additional language would be added to
[1:03:32] the development agreement that would
[1:03:34] identify that those driveways would be
[1:03:36] um part of
[1:03:38] those twin homes cuz that's not part of
[1:03:40] the current language in the amendment
[1:03:42] right now.
[1:03:44] Um let's see. Do I have
[1:03:46] um
[1:03:47] I think I talked about that pretty much.
[1:03:49] Any other questions?
[1:03:51] >> I have a couple of questions for you.
[1:03:52] So, this didn't have to go to planning
[1:03:54] and zoning, right?
[1:03:55] >> No.
[1:03:56] >> So, what's the staff's recommendation on
[1:03:58] this? I didn't see that anywhere.
[1:04:02] >> Um
[1:04:04] Staff is kind of torn on it to be
[1:04:06] honest. Um we've talked with the
[1:04:08] applicant. Uh they've given us their
[1:04:11] input. We do like the idea of the
[1:04:13] driveways because I think that
[1:04:16] as Council Member Smith said that this
[1:04:19] area is over parked often times, so we
[1:04:21] like that idea.
[1:04:22] Um
[1:04:23] we don't necessarily get into market
[1:04:25] analysis or anything like that. We leave
[1:04:27] that to um
[1:04:29] the developer and the buyers and and
[1:04:31] that's none of our purview.
[1:04:32] Um
[1:04:34] but massing [clears throat] and scale,
[1:04:36] it's it's
[1:04:37] going to change a little bit than what
[1:04:39] was intended for this area,
[1:04:42] but we don't necessarily have a strong
[1:04:43] opinion either way.
[1:04:48] » I guess I just have a couple questions
[1:04:49] for the applicant as well.
[1:04:52] >> Okay. Well, that's all I have if if we
[1:04:54] want to invite them up.
[1:04:55] >> applicant here?
[1:04:56] >> Yeah.
[1:04:56] Well,
[1:04:59] >> Okay.
[1:05:00] >> So, uh
[1:05:01] Quinn Millett, is that is that how you
[1:05:03] say it?
[1:05:04] >> Yeah.
[1:05:04] >> So, Quinn is is the potential one of
[1:05:06] representing the potential buyer, so
[1:05:08] come on up, Quinn.
[1:05:18] » All right, thanks for all presentation
[1:05:20] and thanks for the time.
[1:05:22] Uh could we go back to the
[1:05:24] um site plan?
[1:05:26] So I I'd like to address uh first the
[1:05:28] benefits to the site plan and then
[1:05:31] address uh three-story townhouses.
[1:05:34] Um some of the benefits so So one of the
[1:05:36] big benefits is obviously parking. We're
[1:05:38] adding 108 parking spots.
[1:05:41] Um townhouse developments are you know
[1:05:43] chronically under-parked.
[1:05:45] Uh some of the other benefits are the um
[1:05:48] homes over here.
[1:05:51] These are all three stories as well, but
[1:05:53] they're picking up additional square
[1:05:54] footage in the backyard. So we're
[1:05:56] actually adding green space.
[1:05:58] Um another benefit is the streetscape.
[1:06:01] Um
[1:06:02] when you have a 26-ft right-of-way and
[1:06:05] then the
[1:06:06] garages on either side, uh it ends up
[1:06:08] kind of a narrow streetscape. Um we're
[1:06:11] adding 48 ft to the streetscape. We have
[1:06:14] a rendering that kind of illustrates
[1:06:15] that. You end up with landscaping
[1:06:17] between the driveways, excuse me. You
[1:06:19] end up with landscaping between the
[1:06:20] driveways as well as a much more
[1:06:22] inviting streetscape.
[1:06:25] Um
[1:06:27] Yeah, other
[1:06:29] Tell me if I'm I'm missing something. Um
[1:06:32] one of the the reasons we went with a
[1:06:34] three-story and not a two-story is the
[1:06:35] water table.
[1:06:37] So if you have a two-story
[1:06:39] townhouse, then you can't put in a
[1:06:40] basement.
[1:06:42] The footprints on these are 64 ft and
[1:06:44] you're only getting 1,500 sq ft.
[1:06:47] You put that two-car garage on the
[1:06:48] bottom floor,
[1:06:49] even with that 64-ft
[1:06:51] depth, you're getting 1,500 sq ft. Um
[1:06:55] The additional we found as far as a
[1:06:57] market reaction,
[1:06:59] um we've done developments where we have
[1:07:01] that additional bedroom going from three
[1:07:03] to four and that additional bedroom
[1:07:05] tends to get a bigger reaction than your
[1:07:07] third. And the reason for that is
[1:07:10] um the
[1:07:13] It can be used for offices. It can be
[1:07:15] used for a gear room. It can be used for
[1:07:17] like a lot of times we'll see that we'll
[1:07:19] go back and visit the sites and they'll
[1:07:20] be used for like a a kids playroom,
[1:07:22] right? And
[1:07:24] with that I'll jump into the benefits of
[1:07:25] a three-story.
[1:07:27] Um
[1:07:28] for me
[1:07:29] who has bad knees, maybe I don't want a
[1:07:31] three-story.
[1:07:32] For for kind of that younger buyer, it
[1:07:34] tends to be more appealing. One of the
[1:07:36] big benefits of a three-story
[1:07:39] is yes, you come up to a a garage and
[1:07:41] you go straight up the stairs. Then you
[1:07:43] have that middle floor that is one big
[1:07:45] room, right? And then you have usually
[1:07:48] bedrooms and bathrooms upstairs.
[1:07:50] Um in 2,000 square feet to have one big
[1:07:53] bedroom where you can host a party, it's
[1:07:56] your kitchen, it's your half bath, it's
[1:07:58] kind of an open area with with um a lot
[1:08:00] of times, especially with these, natural
[1:08:02] light. It's very functional for hosting
[1:08:06] and and whatnot. Something you don't get
[1:08:08] in a in a two-story.
[1:08:09] So we do have um a strong market
[1:08:12] reaction for not only the four-bedroom,
[1:08:14] but the additional square footage and
[1:08:16] the three-story.
[1:08:18] >> Is your fourth bedroom
[1:08:21] are you counting it the room down below
[1:08:23] before you go up? Because sometimes So
[1:08:26] you have to walk through it though to go
[1:08:28] upstairs or is it an actual separate
[1:08:30] bedroom?
[1:08:31] >> It's an actual separate bedroom.
[1:08:32] >> Okay, cuz some of them you have to walk
[1:08:34] through that room.
[1:08:35] >> Yep.
[1:08:36] >> Like a lot of builders, they'll make it
[1:08:38] to where you have to walk through it. So
[1:08:40] it can't be really like like you said,
[1:08:41] it could be a toy room or a you know,
[1:08:43] like a
[1:08:44] hangout space or something.
[1:08:46] >> Yep.
[1:08:46] >> But you are correct. Like going from a
[1:08:48] three-bedroom to a four-bedroom, you
[1:08:50] instantly increase your buyers. Um
[1:08:54] my concern would be
[1:08:56] what are you increasing the price from
[1:08:59] the two-story to the three-story?
[1:09:01] Because you also don't want to then
[1:09:05] lose buyers, right?
[1:09:07] >> Mhm.
[1:09:07] >> Um
[1:09:09] So, that was my big question. If you
[1:09:11] have a rough idea, like is it going to
[1:09:13] be a huge increase for buyers or
[1:09:16] >> It's still it's in the low fours. It's
[1:09:20] still well within the FHA limits.
[1:09:21] >> Mhm. Okay.
[1:09:22] >> Yeah.
[1:09:23] >> Um
[1:09:25] My
[1:09:26] um
[1:09:30] I personally like like I'm with Ryan and
[1:09:33] I'm with you. I have bad knees. Um I see
[1:09:36] those three-stories near that sit longer
[1:09:39] on the market. And so, but that's
[1:09:42] obviously the builder's problem, you
[1:09:43] know, in a sense.
[1:09:45] For me, I think if it's this area, it's
[1:09:48] already got it, but that was my biggest
[1:09:51] concern is is it still going to be
[1:09:52] affordable? So.
[1:09:53] >> Yeah.
[1:09:53] >> So, that answers
[1:09:54] >> And we we looked at it with the
[1:09:56] two-story and we felt for market reasons
[1:09:59] that a three-story made a lot more
[1:10:00] sense.
[1:10:01] >> Does the two-story have a garage?
[1:10:03] >> Yes. Yeah, the two The garage would
[1:10:05] actually be right up on the street.
[1:10:07] >> So, basically, you could do all of what
[1:10:09] you're saying with a two-story.
[1:10:12] >> Um
[1:10:13] >> You could. You don't have to increase
[1:10:15] >> Oh, no, you
[1:10:16] >> anything. And my main concern is and
[1:10:19] everybody in this room who works with me
[1:10:21] a lot knows I hate three-story.
[1:10:24] Because we have a beautiful view
[1:10:26] and you've already got two-story over
[1:10:29] here. You put three-story next to them.
[1:10:31] They thought that they were all going to
[1:10:32] be two-story or whatever and now they're
[1:10:35] losing the beautiful view and I think um
[1:10:38] every single three-story apartment,
[1:10:40] townhome
[1:10:41] um
[1:10:42] all that stuff I see, I I hate them. I
[1:10:45] think they're ugly. I think they're too
[1:10:47] tall. I don't think they're designed
[1:10:49] well. I think the floor plans are
[1:10:51] terrible.
[1:10:52] Um
[1:10:53] and I think you lose a warmth and a and a cozy
[1:10:57] feeling of a neighborhood.
[1:10:59] And I'm worried about the parking. I'm
[1:11:01] worried about the view.
[1:11:03] I'm very picky about floor plans. Um
[1:11:07] so
[1:11:08] I don't think your plan is good enough
[1:11:10] for me to to be on board with the
[1:11:12] three-story.
[1:11:14] >> And I appreciate that. One of the things
[1:11:16] we couldn't do is the additional
[1:11:17] parking.
[1:11:18] If you go with the two-story, you lose
[1:11:20] 108 parking stalls.
[1:11:23] >> But people But you can also you add So
[1:11:25] do the two-stories have four bedrooms?
[1:11:28] >> No.
[1:11:29] >> So you add another bedroom, which means
[1:11:32] possibly somebody else
[1:11:35] you
[1:11:36] some of these could just be roommates.
[1:11:38] You still have problem parking. You
[1:11:40] still have And not everybody has just
[1:11:42] one car
[1:11:44] per person. So you're still going to
[1:11:45] have street street parking problems. And
[1:11:49] I'm I'm not convinced. I'm I'm an
[1:11:51] automatic no when it's three-story
[1:11:53] townhomes. I think they're too tall.
[1:11:56] And and it's a horrible aesthetic to
[1:11:59] walk in and have to go
[1:12:01] automatically upstairs to the living
[1:12:02] area.
[1:12:04] >> Yeah, understood.
[1:12:05] >> So.
[1:12:05] >> Yeah. And not everyone likes the
[1:12:06] three-stories. I do think the
[1:12:07] functionality of a three-story beats out
[1:12:09] the two-story because of how they're cut
[1:12:11] up, but not they're not for everybody.
[1:12:13] >> Mhm.
[1:12:13] >> I I do understand your your want and
[1:12:16] desire for the need of the three-story
[1:12:17] because of the water table. I do
[1:12:19] understand that. My I guess my my real
[1:12:22] heartburn I have is with with the
[1:12:24] three-story. I'm scared that discourages
[1:12:27] home ownership faster. I think it could
[1:12:30] turn into more more of a rental
[1:12:32] situation there quicker.
[1:12:33] >> It will.
[1:12:34] >> And so that's that's a a main concern I
[1:12:36] have there is is the home ownership.
[1:12:38] Then my other concern is the view of the
[1:12:40] mountains as well that would be
[1:12:41] obstructed by more three-stories. So So
[1:12:43] right now just know I have a little bit
[1:12:45] of hesitation about it.
[1:12:47] >> Understood.
[1:12:48] Yeah. And the the homes the two the
[1:12:50] three-stories on this left side face the
[1:12:53] canal.
[1:12:54] And then of course these face the
[1:12:55] street, but
[1:12:57] understood.
[1:12:59] Uh yeah, understood.
[1:13:00] >> I think two stories is plenty and it
[1:13:02] looks nicer. It doesn't look so
[1:13:04] overwhelming.
[1:13:05] >> So, can you explain
[1:13:07] uh the parking for the two story versus
[1:13:10] the three story? I'm I'm still confused
[1:13:11] about that. Seems like you still have
[1:13:13] the If you're two story, you still have
[1:13:14] the same parking, but
[1:13:15] >> Yep, absolutely. So, if you look at this
[1:13:18] unit for example,
[1:13:20] a two story
[1:13:21] without a basement
[1:13:23] where the driveway is now
[1:13:25] would actually turn into a garage.
[1:13:28] Does that make sense? So, the garage
[1:13:29] actually comes right up to the street.
[1:13:31] >> Is it cuz the footprint's getting
[1:13:32] bigger?
[1:13:32] >> Do we not have required setbacks though
[1:13:34] of how far driveway has to be off of the
[1:13:36] street?
[1:13:37] >> Well, there are no driveways.
[1:13:38] >> Well, then the garage then? We don't
[1:13:40] have a
[1:13:41] >> be like the Maples
[1:13:42] for example.
[1:13:43] >> Yeah.
[1:13:45] So, since you're making a smaller
[1:13:47] footprint, you'll be able to have
[1:13:50] Mhm?
[1:13:50] >> It's a private street there.
[1:13:52] It's similar to other others
[1:13:54] developments in this
[1:13:55] >> the front of the house and then behind
[1:13:57] >> The front actually faces the green
[1:13:59] spaces and then the garage faces this
[1:14:02] private street.
[1:14:03] >> And living in the Maples neighborhood,
[1:14:07] it doesn't matter if you have a garage
[1:14:09] or not. They don't use them.
[1:14:11] And there's always a parking problem
[1:14:12] regardless.
[1:14:13] >> But if they had a driveway, I think that would be helpful.
[1:14:17] >> So, that adds two two parking spots
[1:14:19] really for each each one. Is that
[1:14:21] >> That's right. The The difference is
[1:14:22] you're shrink you're shrinking the
[1:14:24] footprint and with that additional space
[1:14:26] you're adding uh two parking spots. So,
[1:14:28] each townhouse ends up with four
[1:14:31] parking spots
[1:14:33] um
[1:14:34] instead of two.
[1:14:35] >> Does this one have an HOA?
[1:14:37] >> Yes.
[1:14:38] >> It will have an HOA. Will they have
[1:14:39] restrictions on parking broken-down
[1:14:41] cars?
[1:14:42] >> Oh, yeah. That's in the CC&Rs.
[1:14:44] >> What about on your HOA, some builders
[1:14:46] allow um going back to Ryan's concern
[1:14:50] only a certain percentage is rentals and
[1:14:52] if he is going to be a rental, I know
[1:14:55] some builders like increase the price.
[1:14:58] Do you guys do that at all?
[1:14:59] >> Yeah, I believe the master CC&Rs
[1:15:01] significantly strict rentals. Our we
[1:15:04] don't target you know, as a home builder
[1:15:06] we promote home ownership.
[1:15:09] You know, we push for
[1:15:11] first time home buyers in this sort of
[1:15:12] scenario and you know,
[1:15:14] we don't push for rentals.
[1:15:16] >> Yeah.
[1:15:17] Um
[1:15:20] I was curious though, I drove by this
[1:15:22] today cuz I wanted to make sure I was
[1:15:23] thinking of the correct property.
[1:15:26] Um
[1:15:27] the two stories that was a concern of
[1:15:29] mine that those poor people now that you
[1:15:32] know, those people that have already
[1:15:34] bought and then all of a sudden they
[1:15:35] have a three story behind them. That
[1:15:37] would stink and that was kind of but
[1:15:41] the rendering that Michael showed, none
[1:15:44] of those
[1:15:46] looked like that. It was more of a
[1:15:48] modern look so I guess like
[1:15:50] I like the look of what was shown, more
[1:15:53] traditional look. So I guess like also
[1:15:56] you kind of have that clashing but
[1:15:59] I guess I'm going to kind of be like the
[1:16:00] devil's advocate on this that the two
[1:16:02] story ones in that area are so also tiny
[1:16:07] from other builders that they sit and sit also but then the three
[1:16:12] stories sit and sit and sit also.
[1:16:15] So it's just kind of like if this is
[1:16:17] approved, I would just hope that you
[1:16:18] guys really
[1:16:20] look at what does sit in that area
[1:16:22] because then that affects the area down
[1:16:24] the road and really make it to where
[1:16:26] it's a resellable product for people
[1:16:30] because the hope is obviously after you
[1:16:32] buy a home that eventually you know, you
[1:16:34] build another one and another.
[1:16:36] So
[1:16:37] that would just be my
[1:16:38] >> Yeah.
[1:16:39] And there are three stories in the
[1:16:40] neighborhood, you know, both north and
[1:16:42] south.
[1:16:43] Yeah, and like I said, with with
[1:16:45] developments we've done in the past,
[1:16:46] that fourth bedroom has a big demand.
[1:16:49] And I didn't mention this before, but
[1:16:51] it's typically the top ones are used for
[1:16:53] bedrooms. It's that it's because of the
[1:16:55] separation of the floors that that
[1:16:57] bottom one has a different utility.
[1:16:59] That's what's used for the kids play
[1:17:01] area, for the gear room, for the office,
[1:17:02] where you couldn't do that if you were
[1:17:04] if you're just next You could do it, but
[1:17:05] it's less convenient. It's more
[1:17:07] convenient if it's on a different floor.
[1:17:09] >> If you had a good floor plan, you could
[1:17:10] do four bedrooms in a 1,500 square foot.
[1:17:14] >> Well, I mean, these are these are nearly
[1:17:17] 2,000 and
[1:17:20] it's pretty efficient to get to the four
[1:17:22] bedrooms.
[1:17:23] None of the None of the None of the ones
[1:17:25] in the area, very few I I don't know if
[1:17:26] any of them have a three have four
[1:17:28] bedrooms.
[1:17:29] So, I'm not sure that's
[1:17:30] >> you have a good design and a floor plan,
[1:17:33] you could have four bedrooms in a 1,300
[1:17:35] square foot.
[1:17:37] So,
[1:17:38] I've lived in one.
[1:17:40] So, I don't You don't have to have a
[1:17:41] third story. You don't have to have that
[1:17:43] awkward
[1:17:45] random room behind a garage. You can You
[1:17:49] can design it right. I just don't like the three-story. This
[1:17:52] is This is one of the first communities
[1:17:54] people will see coming in on
[1:17:57] um
[1:17:58] >> Arrowhead.
[1:18:00] >> And I-15.
[1:18:01] and they're going to see these tall
[1:18:06] aesthetically
[1:18:07] unpleasing three-story buildings.
[1:18:11] Um
[1:18:13] Lacy, I haven't been out there yet for a
[1:18:15] while. Are they more contemporary modern
[1:18:18] looks?
[1:18:19] >> The ones that are the two stories are,
[1:18:21] and then across the street So, here's
[1:18:23] your apartments, right?
[1:18:25] And then here's two stories that another
[1:18:27] builder built. And they're very
[1:18:29] contemporary like modern.
[1:18:31] And then the two stories that are
[1:18:33] already built in phase one,
[1:18:35] they reminded me more of like a modern
[1:18:37] look compared to the renderings.
[1:18:41] >> Mhm.
[1:18:41] >> I wish we would get away from the modern
[1:18:43] contemporary look as well, but
[1:18:45] >> We need to move on.
[1:18:46] >> Yeah.
[1:18:47] >> Can I ask one one quick question?
[1:18:48] >> Yes.
[1:18:49] >> Just one thing that that that
[1:18:51] with the three-story did for me to kind
[1:18:54] of offset that, if there's a way you can
[1:18:55] have some relief and so they aren't all
[1:18:58] just like a row of
[1:19:00] two three-story buildings. So, there's
[1:19:02] if you do that, that makes a huge
[1:19:03] difference how how things look, so.
[1:19:08] » Appreciate your comments. Any other
[1:19:10] questions?
[1:19:11] >> Mhm.
[1:19:12] >> Before we let him go. Thank you. Thank
[1:19:13] you for your time.
[1:19:15] Any more discussion, Council?
[1:19:17] >> Uh I guess just uh well, I've got the builders here. Um I I'd be okay with some sort of mix with what Council Huddleston with
[1:19:25] some relief and different heights, but
[1:19:27] the idea of shifting them all to
[1:19:29] three-story, I'm not in favor of right
[1:19:31] now.
[1:19:32] >> I I think we as a council have the
[1:19:33] opportunity to say 50% or
[1:19:38] Uh
[1:19:38] >> I just want to remind us of what we want Payson to look
[1:19:42] like and some builders are not following
[1:19:45] what our vision is.
[1:19:47] Um doing too much contemporary, too much
[1:19:50] high density, to like and going from two-story to three-story
[1:19:55] does increase the density.
[1:19:57] And so
[1:19:59] I just want to remind you of that. We've
[1:20:01] had these discussions before of what we
[1:20:03] want
[1:20:06] our our town to look like.
[1:20:08] >> We also have to remember too that we've
[1:20:10] had this discussion of
[1:20:12] a lot of us have always said, "If I'm
[1:20:14] going to be okay with something, it's
[1:20:16] going to be in this area because
[1:20:18] literally across the street, you have
[1:20:21] four-story or three-story apartments."
[1:20:24] >> Mhm.
[1:20:24] >> Um and then
[1:20:25] >> Which were approved well long before we
[1:20:27] got here.
[1:20:27] >> Yeah, correct. But
[1:20:29] I would rather approve a three-story
[1:20:30] community next to a three-story
[1:20:32] community then a three-story community
[1:20:35] next to Ramblers.
[1:20:38] But that's just my
[1:20:39] >> This is undeveloped land.
[1:20:40] >> apartment buildings, they're right
[1:20:42] across the street from single-family
[1:20:43] homes.
[1:20:45] And Arrowhead back further.
[1:20:47] >> Further back.
[1:20:49] >> Yeah.
[1:20:49] >> And and I think what you remember too,
[1:20:50] it's not within our scope to dictate what the looks of the the
[1:20:54] building are.
[1:20:55] >> We're we're a little beyond council.
[1:20:58] >> All right, if there's no further
[1:20:59] discussion, I would entertain a motion.
[1:21:04] I would just add that if you're if
[1:21:07] you're considering being in favor of
[1:21:08] this, there there should be some
[1:21:11] flexibility for staff to work with the
[1:21:13] applicant to put in that language for
[1:21:15] example with the driveway.
[1:21:17] Um
[1:21:18] also
[1:21:19] um
[1:21:20] this this was platted for two-story and
[1:21:24] so the distance between buildings is
[1:21:27] identified for two-story. So we would
[1:21:29] have to um have some
[1:21:31] uh deviation from this the code to allow
[1:21:35] that. So.
[1:21:41] » I make a motion that we approve the
[1:21:42] first amendment to the Villages at
[1:21:44] Arrowhead Park Development Agreement as
[1:21:45] presented.
[1:21:47] >> I'll second.
[1:21:48] >> Could you read the motion back? I didn't
[1:21:50] hear you good. Sorry.
[1:21:52] >> I make a motion that we approve the
[1:21:54] first amendment to the Villages at
[1:21:55] Arrowhead Park Development Agreement as
[1:21:57] presented.
[1:21:58] >> So do you want to add something about
[1:22:00] staff um
[1:22:02] >> Oh yeah, he's got to they've got to be
[1:22:04] able to
[1:22:04] >> The staff would have some flexibility.
[1:22:06] >> Yes, adding the ability for staff to have
[1:22:08] flexibility to have um dimensions,
[1:22:11] offsets, and and measurements according
[1:22:13] to
[1:22:14] code and what we need.
[1:22:16] >> I second that.
[1:22:18] >> I have a motion and a second.
[1:22:20] Starting with council member
[1:22:22] Moss.
[1:22:23] >> No.
[1:22:24] >> Council member Prosgaard. Yes.
[1:22:26] Council member Rowley.
[1:22:29] >> I think the builder should try one more
[1:22:31] time and come back with a mix of of
[1:22:33] housing styles and and heights and I'm
[1:22:37] not in favor of moving it all to three
[1:22:38] stories, so I am a no.
[1:22:40] >> Okay. Council member Hewlett.
[1:22:43] >> Uh yes, I think having they get some
[1:22:46] relief and with more parking, I think
[1:22:48] the parking's going to help a lot for
[1:22:50] this area.
[1:22:51] >> Council member Smith.
[1:22:54] >> I'm actually a yes on this one.
[1:22:58] I really thought hard about it. I I said
[1:23:00] I went there today, Anne. I I really
[1:23:02] did, so I'm
[1:23:07] » I I said yes.
[1:23:08] Yeah.
[1:23:10] Motion carries.
[1:23:12] Moving on.
[1:23:14] Item number four, resolution approving
[1:23:17] an amendment to the agreement with Utah
[1:23:18] County regard regarding the 2026
[1:23:22] municipal recreation grant.
[1:23:27] Jill.
[1:23:28] >> Yes, this will be really fast.
[1:23:32] We have money
[1:23:34] and we don't want to lose it.
[1:23:36] >> [laughter]
[1:23:37] >> So, we are asking for the city council
[1:23:38] to approve this agreement with Utah
[1:23:40] County to extend our timeline
[1:23:43] to utilize the money that we get through
[1:23:44] the TRCC funding, which is the tourism,
[1:23:47] recreation, um culture, and convention.
[1:23:52] It's known as the restaurant tax, if
[1:23:54] you've heard about the restaurant tax.
[1:23:56] Anyway,
[1:23:57] um we have a couple of projects we're
[1:23:58] working on. We were unable to get them
[1:23:59] done by the end of June, which was the
[1:24:01] deadline, so Utah County has agreed to
[1:24:04] let us extend it into this next fiscal
[1:24:06] year.
[1:24:07] Uh so, that is what this agreement would
[1:24:08] be a is um be authorizing is for that
[1:24:11] money to roll over to the next fiscal
[1:24:13] year.
[1:24:14] Um so, we can finish up our projects.
[1:24:18] » So, do we need to make a resolution uh
[1:24:20] approving the mayor to sign this
[1:24:22] resolution.
[1:24:23] >> Yes.
[1:24:23] >> We We need to approve the resolution
[1:24:25] that the mayor can sign it. Okay.
[1:24:27] Any discussion?
[1:24:30] I'll accept the motion.
[1:24:31] >> I make a motion that we
[1:24:33] uh, approve the amendment to the
[1:24:35] agreement with Utah County regarding the
[1:24:37] 2026 municipal recreation grant.
[1:24:40] >> I'll second.
[1:24:41] >> I have a motion and a second. Council
[1:24:42] member
[1:24:44] Smith.
[1:24:45] >> Yes.
[1:24:45] >> Council member
[1:24:46] >> Hewlett. Yes.
[1:24:47] >> Council member Rowley.
[1:24:48] >> Yes.
[1:24:49] >> Council member Probst Guard. Yes.
[1:24:51] Council member Moss.
[1:24:52] >> Yes.
[1:24:53] >> Motion carries.
[1:24:54] Item number five, discussion on update
[1:24:57] to the outdoor recreation plan,
[1:24:59] Anderson.
[1:25:01] >> Was this in the packet cuz I didn't see
[1:25:03] it?
[1:25:03] >> I didn't see it either.
[1:25:04] >> I didn't either.
[1:25:05] >> This was not in the packet.
[1:25:07] Um, and so the reason for that is just
[1:25:09] we're we're doing a
[1:25:12] presentation. Um,
[1:25:14] and so we don't have anything for you to
[1:25:15] review,
[1:25:17] you know,
[1:25:17] before the meeting or
[1:25:19] >> or no decision.
[1:25:20] >> It's Yeah, no decision will be made.
[1:25:22] It's just a discussion and providing you
[1:25:24] with information.
[1:25:26] Um, and so we'll be sharing a a
[1:25:28] presentation.
[1:25:29] Um,
[1:25:31] and we we can probably share that with
[1:25:32] you after the meeting if if you'd like
[1:25:34] just to have that information. Um, but
[1:25:36] this is one of um, several discussions that we'll have
[1:25:40] regarding a um, outdoor recreation plan.
[1:25:43] So, um, Councilman Hewlett, I'm actually
[1:25:46] applied for a grant with the Utah
[1:25:48] Division of Natural Resources and and
[1:25:50] that was awarded to the city um, for us
[1:25:52] to put together an outdoor recreation
[1:25:54] plan and and we're excited to be kind of
[1:25:57] in the beginning stages of that. We're
[1:25:59] working with the SC Group. So, we have
[1:26:01] uh, Michael Clawson and David Nickel
[1:26:03] Nichols um, with us today. Um, and so
[1:26:07] they'll be they'll be providing that
[1:26:09] presentation of kind of of what we've
[1:26:11] done up to this point, um,
[1:26:13] and what our plans are going forward.
[1:26:16] Um,
[1:26:17] uh in developing this this uh plan and getting some feedback and direction
[1:26:22] for from from all of you. Um so, with
[1:26:25] that, I'll I'll get handed over to
[1:26:27] Michael.
[1:26:28] Um
[1:26:33] » Thank you, Anders.
[1:26:37] Mayor Pro Tem and Council, it's a
[1:26:38] pleasure to meet you. I'm Mike Clawson.
[1:26:40] Uh as as was said, we're with SE Group
[1:26:43] located up in Sugarhouse at 2180 East
[1:26:45] 1300 or 2180 South 1300 East.
[1:26:49] Uh and as a group, we're SE Group is a
[1:26:52] consulting firm. We primarily work with
[1:26:54] communities centered around outdoor
[1:26:56] recreation, uh a lot both in the West
[1:26:58] and in the East. Uh a lot of the
[1:27:00] communities adjacent to public lands and assist with that outdoor recreation
[1:27:04] vision and strategic planning.
[1:27:07] Uh as was mentioned, we are assisting to
[1:27:10] prepare an outdoor recreation strategic
[1:27:11] plan. This uh at this time, we do not
[1:27:13] have the finalized plan with it. This
[1:27:16] Although we say a plan, it is not just a
[1:27:17] single document. It is a series of
[1:27:19] documents. So, we actually do have a a
[1:27:20] few things that I'm going to overview
[1:27:23] for you today and then we have we can
[1:27:24] share with you afterwards to to see the
[1:27:26] progress.
[1:27:27] Um but today, we're just uh here to
[1:27:30] share that progress and update with you.
[1:27:34] Uh today, I want to cover three things
[1:27:37] real quick. We want to go over the
[1:27:38] strategic plan process, uh what that
[1:27:42] what it will look like to get the final
[1:27:44] outdoor recreation strategic plan.
[1:27:46] Uh
[1:27:47] and then we want to talk about what
[1:27:47] we've achieved up to this point, both
[1:27:49] looking at Payson's outdoor recreation
[1:27:51] economy as well as the existing
[1:27:53] recreation assets, gaps, strengths, and
[1:27:55] opportunities. Basically, what Payson is
[1:27:56] doing really well with outdoor
[1:27:58] recreation at this time.
[1:27:59] And then we we have reserved some time
[1:28:01] at the end to have a quick uh question
[1:28:03] and answer session.
[1:28:05] So,
[1:28:06] outdoor recreation strategic strategic
[1:28:08] plan. I recognize that if you're not
[1:28:09] familiar with these, those are a lot of
[1:28:10] words that don't make sense next to each
[1:28:12] other. Um
[1:28:14] an outdoor recreation strategic plan is
[1:28:16] something that documents outdoor
[1:28:18] recreation in your community. It helps
[1:28:19] you see how all the different pieces
[1:28:21] connect one to another, where they might
[1:28:23] not connect, what you're doing really
[1:28:24] well, where there might be gaps and
[1:28:26] opportunities for further development.
[1:28:28] Uh this is something that ideally anyone
[1:28:31] in the community will be able to pick up
[1:28:32] one day and just get really excited
[1:28:34] about outdoor recreation in Payson and
[1:28:36] know what everything that there is to
[1:28:37] offer. Understand that I know that I'm
[1:28:40] going to adventure outdoor recreation is
[1:28:41] only a small piece of it, but to
[1:28:43] understand how that ties in.
[1:28:45] And I think we'll be considering
[1:28:47] ourselves successful in helping prepare
[1:28:48] this plan for you if if we're helping
[1:28:51] foster and generate that excitement in
[1:28:52] your community.
[1:28:54] Uh we have a very complicated diagram of
[1:28:57] the entire process and all you really
[1:28:59] need to know about this right now is
[1:29:00] that what we've done up to this point is
[1:29:02] just trying to understand Payson.
[1:29:05] Understand what is what the existing
[1:29:07] recreation amenities offer. What the
[1:29:09] outdoor economy looks like right now. Uh
[1:29:12] the next immediate step is actually
[1:29:13] going to be a community engagement
[1:29:15] process where we survey or otherwise engage with your
[1:29:19] community and figure out what is
[1:29:20] important to them and what they see.
[1:29:22] Um so I'd just like you to keep that in
[1:29:24] your mind as we continue going through
[1:29:25] this and if there are particular things
[1:29:27] that you
[1:29:28] uh would like us to bring up to the
[1:29:30] during the community survey, then we
[1:29:32] absolutely want to include it.
[1:29:37] Uh we done on a site visit. Uh
[1:29:39] thank you to Carl and Anders and Jill
[1:29:41] and Robert. They all they all took us
[1:29:43] around the community for a day, which I have to say was great because it is
[1:29:46] something very different to look at all
[1:29:48] the existing plans that were provided to
[1:29:50] us and look at maps and do all we can to
[1:29:51] learn about it, but it's so much better
[1:29:52] to sit in the van for a day with with
[1:29:54] the people that live and work in this
[1:29:56] community and and be able to just pick
[1:29:58] their brains about any anything and
[1:29:59] everything. So, thank you for that.
[1:30:01] >> One of my funnest days of work ever.
[1:30:04] >> [laughter]
[1:30:05] >> We got to go we got to go mountain
[1:30:06] biking together, so it was a good time.
[1:30:10] First, I want to talk about the outdoor
[1:30:11] recreation economy. Again, we have
[1:30:14] synthesized this into deliverable. I'll give that I'll have a copy for each
[1:30:18] of you after the presentation.
[1:30:21] Overall, I want to clarify this is a
[1:30:23] qualitative review of the outdoor
[1:30:25] recreation economy as it stands in
[1:30:27] Payson right now. We did We looked at
[1:30:30] many many components of the of the
[1:30:34] outdoor recreation economy. Um
[1:30:37] Generally, when we're speaking about it,
[1:30:39] we're talking about the economic
[1:30:40] activity generated by outdoor
[1:30:42] recreation. But, outdoor recreation as a
[1:30:44] whole provides a lot of value to your
[1:30:46] community that is really hard to put a
[1:30:48] dollar sign to. Increased quality of
[1:30:50] life is is a big one. Reinforcing your
[1:30:53] brand of home to adventure is another
[1:30:55] one. These are all things that make it
[1:30:56] so people want to come live in Payson,
[1:30:59] come live in those in three-story town
[1:31:01] homes or two-story town homes because
[1:31:02] they know they have such great access to
[1:31:04] so many different types of recreation
[1:31:06] here.
[1:31:07] It's a good complement to some of the
[1:31:08] existing economic strengths.
[1:31:11] The In this process, we did the We
[1:31:15] looked I want to clarify we're talking
[1:31:17] about Payson and the annexation
[1:31:18] boundary, but also kind of the whole
[1:31:19] southern part of Utah Valley when we
[1:31:22] It's It's a little bit broader than just
[1:31:23] what is within your annexation boundary.
[1:31:25] We recognize that a lot of We'll get
[1:31:28] more to the specific recreation assets,
[1:31:30] but we recognize that a lot of what
[1:31:31] makes Payson great is not only what you
[1:31:34] offer, but also the proximity to a lot
[1:31:35] of wonderful public lands.
[1:31:38] Part of this was mapping getting more to
[1:31:41] the economic side of it, mapping the
[1:31:42] existing providers and producers, those
[1:31:44] that provide or excuse me, that
[1:31:47] manufacture and or sell outdoor
[1:31:49] recreation goods, as well as those that
[1:31:52] provide an experience with outdoor
[1:31:55] recreation. We looked at food and
[1:31:57] beverage establishments, where they're
[1:31:58] located, accommodations, things that
[1:32:02] are important when you're coming to the
[1:32:04] community to look at or when you're
[1:32:06] coming to the community to recreate, you
[1:32:08] also probably want to stop and eat.
[1:32:10] And finally, we also looked at events.
[1:32:12] That's another one of the things that's
[1:32:14] really become apparent to us is that
[1:32:16] makes I mean, we're talking about at the
[1:32:18] beginning of the Scottish Festival today
[1:32:19] during our meeting. It's one of the
[1:32:20] things that makes Payson great. Uh and
[1:32:23] not only
[1:32:24] recreation specific events, we're
[1:32:26] talking about triathlons and such, but
[1:32:27] also just more community-focused events.
[1:32:33] Kind of in synthesis, one of the things
[1:32:34] that we really found is that you have a
[1:32:36] lot of really good outdoor recreation
[1:32:38] economy strengths. Uh a lot of what
[1:32:40] we've listed here are specific types of
[1:32:43] recreation, but that ties into what the
[1:32:46] businesses are around it. People might
[1:32:48] come here for to go mountain biking or
[1:32:50] they might come here for the for the
[1:32:51] wonderful uh motorized recreation and
[1:32:53] that's also going to stimulate economic
[1:32:55] activity. So, having businesses that are
[1:32:58] correlated with your strengths is really
[1:32:59] important.
[1:33:01] Also want to talk about the second
[1:33:03] deliverable that we have for you today,
[1:33:04] the recreation assets gaps
[1:33:06] opportunities. This talks This is more
[1:33:08] of a holistic view of what types of
[1:33:09] recreation are offered right now within
[1:33:11] Payson and where there are future
[1:33:13] opportunities to continue developing
[1:33:15] that. Uh during our site visit, we
[1:33:17] specifically focused on West Mountain,
[1:33:19] uh the Nebo Loop Scenic Byway, and and
[1:33:21] some of the adjacent forest service
[1:33:22] lands up by that, uh Gladstan Golf
[1:33:25] Course, uh Four Base, Spring Lake, and
[1:33:28] then all the city parks that within the
[1:33:30] community as well.
[1:33:33] Uh
[1:33:34] I've discussed this. We We had the site
[1:33:36] visit. We We reviewed the existing plan
[1:33:39] documents, the active transportation
[1:33:40] plan, the parks and recreation plan,
[1:33:42] just to name a few, specific site plans
[1:33:44] for and concept plans for a lot of these
[1:33:46] areas.
[1:33:47] Uh we looked at detailed mapping and
[1:33:48] analysis and really done all we can to
[1:33:51] have a holistic view of not just
[1:33:52] individual components of recreation, but
[1:33:55] again,
[1:33:56] the idea behind the strategic plan is a view of how all of these things
[1:33:59] work together and how they form Payson
[1:34:02] as a community as it is.
[1:34:05] We're going to talk about we've we've
[1:34:08] mentioned some strengths. There are
[1:34:10] Payson that this is one thing that
[1:34:11] really became apparent before and
[1:34:13] especially during the site visit for me
[1:34:14] is you have so much to offer in such a
[1:34:17] good breadth and depth of outdoor
[1:34:20] recreation. There there are so many
[1:34:22] options for members of your community
[1:34:24] that there when we're talking about
[1:34:25] gaps, we're not saying like, oh, you
[1:34:27] know, you you don't offer a a
[1:34:29] fairgrounds for competitive pigeon
[1:34:31] flying and maybe you need that. That's not what it is, right? We are
[1:34:33] here to say that there are strengths and
[1:34:36] maybe there's a gap within that strength
[1:34:37] that you can use to make it even better.
[1:34:39] Every gap offers an opportunity. A lot
[1:34:42] of what we have up here are things that
[1:34:43] you're already doing and they're in many
[1:34:45] ways core to the identity of Payson. We
[1:34:47] can continue working on those strengths.
[1:34:50] We have five key takeaways from going
[1:34:52] through this the strengths assets assets
[1:34:54] and gaps and I want to review a lot of
[1:34:55] those.
[1:34:56] So, our main key takeaway
[1:34:58] was that there's a need to invest in
[1:35:00] parks and adventure close to home.
[1:35:03] This is one of the especially with city
[1:35:05] parks within Payson city limits are all
[1:35:09] relatively centralized to the downtown
[1:35:11] and adjacent areas and there's a lot of
[1:35:13] current development and planned future
[1:35:15] development or potential future
[1:35:16] development, I should say,
[1:35:18] further away from that that may not have
[1:35:20] that same level of of level of service
[1:35:23] from nearby parks they don't exist. So,
[1:35:25] one of the things that we've identified
[1:35:27] is that there could be a need in the
[1:35:29] future to continue planning for green
[1:35:30] spaces in those areas. Make sure that
[1:35:32] what is currently offered to Payson
[1:35:34] residents is offered to potential future
[1:35:36] Payson residents as well.
[1:35:39] Another one of our key takeaways is
[1:35:41] connection.
[1:35:43] Uh
[1:35:44] again, the existing parks are very, very
[1:35:46] well connected and that is an amazing
[1:35:49] strength to be able for people in that
[1:35:50] in those neighborhoods to be able to hop
[1:35:52] on the bike trails and be able to
[1:35:53] connect to these parks.
[1:35:54] And that's an opportunity that I think
[1:35:56] you can really lean into with continued
[1:35:58] connection to other areas. Potential
[1:36:00] connection to Quanas Park or Four Bay so
[1:36:02] that people don't have to drive their mountain bikes up to the the trail
[1:36:05] or or or have to drive out there to
[1:36:07] hike, but they can instead take a path.
[1:36:09] Um
[1:36:11] This is more conceptual. We're not
[1:36:12] getting into any of the specific
[1:36:13] challenges associated with with making
[1:36:15] those connections, but holistically
[1:36:17] there are a lot of opportunities like
[1:36:18] that.
[1:36:19] Bridging I-15, that's another one that
[1:36:22] I mean this map we have pulled up is
[1:36:23] from the active transportation plan and
[1:36:26] is very detailed, but that's that's one
[1:36:28] of the complications is that can serve
[1:36:29] as a barrier in some cases and there
[1:36:31] could be an opportunity to improve that
[1:36:32] connection.
[1:36:36] Uh another key takeaway was expanding
[1:36:37] Payson's adventure portfolio. Uh again,
[1:36:40] we have some things listed up here that
[1:36:42] I would classify as many of the reasons
[1:36:45] that people love outdoor recreation in
[1:36:47] Payson. Love, you know, you can go
[1:36:49] shooting. You can go
[1:36:50] with your motorized recreation out in at
[1:36:53] No, excuse me, at West Mountain. You
[1:36:55] have so many opportunities for mountain
[1:36:56] biking or or more of that dispersed
[1:36:58] hiking and trail running up up Payson
[1:37:00] Canyon.
[1:37:01] Uh so many of these other, you know,
[1:37:02] winter sports.
[1:37:04] And in some cases what we're identifying
[1:37:05] here is that there's an opportunity to
[1:37:07] continue formalizing those and make sure
[1:37:10] that those that the community
[1:37:12] understands where they can really
[1:37:13] achieve this type of outdoor recreation
[1:37:15] that they want and and experience it.
[1:37:19] Uh one of our other key key takeaways
[1:37:21] was was Four Bay.
[1:37:22] Uh key takeaway number four.
[1:37:25] Uh again, a great resource and we
[1:37:27] recognize that it is a relatively new
[1:37:29] resource for the city.
[1:37:30] And there's an opportunity here to
[1:37:32] ensure that it is it is appealing not
[1:37:34] just for any one specific user group,
[1:37:37] but that it it services all user groups.
[1:37:39] We've seen this in other nearby
[1:37:40] communities in Utah. Uh Draper with
[1:37:42] Corner Canyon and and just the amount of
[1:37:44] popularity that gets.
[1:37:46] Four Bay is in many ways is similar,
[1:37:48] located adjacent to your community with
[1:37:49] great connectivity to it and and having
[1:37:53] any way to reduce any potential
[1:37:54] conflicts and make sure that everyone
[1:37:56] knows that this is a place for them.
[1:37:57] It's not just for mountain bikers or
[1:37:59] equestrian users or runners or hikers.
[1:38:02] And then the final thing is continuing
[1:38:04] to expand adventure through public
[1:38:06] events. Uh specifically recreation
[1:38:08] events. Um I was made me pretty happy to
[1:38:11] come in here and notice that you have
[1:38:12] the
[1:38:13] of the decorations in the room you have
[1:38:15] the the Tour of Utah jersey up on the
[1:38:16] wall. And I think that's one of the
[1:38:18] things that shows just how important
[1:38:19] recreation and community events are to Payson and it's one of the things
[1:38:24] that makes it home to adventure and
[1:38:25] continuing to lean into that could be
[1:38:27] really important.
[1:38:30] So again to reiterate the next steps for
[1:38:32] us is going to be a community engagement
[1:38:34] piece where we reach out survey members
[1:38:36] of your community and we want to hear
[1:38:37] from them. What do
[1:38:39] you know, we've done all this research.
[1:38:40] We think we we have a hopefully good
[1:38:43] idea of of what Payson has to offer, but
[1:38:45] we want to hear what's most important to
[1:38:46] the residents and what they think they
[1:38:47] might be lacking.
[1:38:49] Uh we want to hear from you and what you think we should ask your
[1:38:52] community. What what do you think what
[1:38:54] do you want to learn from them about the
[1:38:56] community?
[1:38:58] Um
[1:38:59] that was most of what I've had for you.
[1:39:00] I pulled up this this slide that has a
[1:39:02] few questions on it. Um
[1:39:05] you don't have to answer these specific
[1:39:06] ones. You can ask other questions if you
[1:39:07] want, but this is just to to get the the
[1:39:10] thought process going and uh yeah, just to prompt some
[1:39:15] >> conversation.
[1:39:18] » Is there anything you'd like to hear
[1:39:19] from us? Do you have any questions for
[1:39:20] us?
[1:39:21] >> You're on your community engagement. Are
[1:39:23] you going to have an open house besides
[1:39:24] doing the survey or how you what are you
[1:39:26] planning what are you planning do you
[1:39:27] know?
[1:39:28] >> It's a great question.
[1:39:30] Uh Anders, do you remember? I believe
[1:39:31] it's a survey for sure. I do not know of
[1:39:34] a
[1:39:35] to what level the if there will be an
[1:39:37] open house as well.
[1:39:40] » I can
[1:39:40] definitely
[1:39:42] get back to you.
[1:39:51] » I I think we'd like as much engagement
[1:39:54] of of the community as possible. So, if
[1:39:56] it takes a couple events, whether it be
[1:39:58] uh
[1:39:59] >> a survey and an open house, something
[1:40:02] that we can
[1:40:03] get a a broad scope of of
[1:40:06] seniors,
[1:40:08] middle age, and and our youth.
[1:40:10] Um we we know that
[1:40:12] Payson is young
[1:40:14] uh
[1:40:15] comparatively, uh even though
[1:40:17] there's a couple silver hairs sitting up
[1:40:19] here.
[1:40:20] Uh Payson's relatively old
[1:40:22] or young, sorry.
[1:40:24] And so, I I think we need a good cross
[1:40:26] section, and the way to get that that we
[1:40:28] found over over time has been an open
[1:40:31] house and a survey.
[1:40:32] >> And at least try to get people there. I
[1:40:34] mean, some of our open houses are
[1:40:37] better attended than others, but
[1:40:40] >> It actually might be a good salmon
[1:40:42] supper activity.
[1:40:43] >> Yeah.
[1:40:44] >> Oh, yeah. Yeah.
[1:40:45] Cuz people will be there anyway.
[1:40:47] >> time. Just have QR codes there.
[1:40:50] >> I would want to make sure to ask them.
[1:40:53] I know this comes up in a lot of
[1:40:54] surveys, but what they're willing to
[1:40:58] pay.
[1:41:01] Cuz it's not free. But, I can tell you
[1:41:04] right now, they're going to want to
[1:41:07] a rodeo arena after this last week of
[1:41:10] discussion on the Facebook.
[1:41:12] >> 100 million dollars
[1:41:14] >> million dollars, but anyway, that would
[1:41:15] be my biggest thing is
[1:41:17] and then in the process educating them,
[1:41:19] maybe seeing like what other cities have
[1:41:21] done similar and what it cost the
[1:41:23] residents to do those things, because
[1:41:26] you don't want to say like, "Well, I'm
[1:41:27] willing to give $5 a month." But, what's
[1:41:29] that really going to get people? I
[1:41:31] guess. Maybe that.
[1:41:32] >> Um
[1:41:33] >> You know, the the ultimate hope with
[1:41:35] recreation not only elevating
[1:41:38] uh the quality of life mentally for for
[1:41:40] residents and everyone else surrounding
[1:41:42] you know, recreation should actually pay
[1:41:45] dividends financially to the residents
[1:41:47] too.
[1:41:48] By them coming here and and spending
[1:41:50] that sales tax money here in Payson. One
[1:41:52] of the things that stood out like a sore
[1:41:54] thumb and Brian mentioned it to me was
[1:41:57] our lack of amenities in Payson.
[1:41:59] >> Mhm.
[1:41:59] >> That is something we struggle with so
[1:42:01] badly and anything that that we can do
[1:42:04] to help with that and also I think
[1:42:06] recreation it goes both ways too. If
[1:42:07] people had a place to stay when they
[1:42:09] came to Payson, I think they'd come
[1:42:11] recreate here more often too.
[1:42:13] And so the the push the big push we need another hotel in Payson. And and a couple more. We have one on the
[1:42:21] docket but uh
[1:42:22] it's it's not as serious as I want it to
[1:42:24] be yet but uh we need to we need to
[1:42:26] continue to elevate all of and and
[1:42:28] everybody wins when more people come
[1:42:30] here to recreate. You know, another
[1:42:32] great thing I saw that you noticed I'm
[1:42:34] grateful you noticed it was uh the need
[1:42:36] of multiple uses in different areas. I
[1:42:39] think that's so important. I think
[1:42:40] sometimes some communities or events get
[1:42:42] too hyper-focused and shut down certain
[1:42:45] events in certain places or certain
[1:42:47] activities in certain places. I think
[1:42:48] that hampers and hurts things. I think
[1:42:50] the more the merrier to have uh mixed
[1:42:52] use recreation in the same area.
[1:42:54] I think that's so important. Another one
[1:42:56] that gets a lot of use that I don't know
[1:42:58] if I saw in here was actually our
[1:42:59] frisbee golf course. Did you see that or
[1:43:02] have you heard of that?
[1:43:03] >> That did come up, yes.
[1:43:04] >> Okay, very good. Yeah, that that is that
[1:43:06] is extremely popular uh up there too and
[1:43:08] so I I love that area too and and I call
[1:43:11] it Beer Can Flats but Beer Can Flats is
[1:43:13] a wonderful area uh for families to go
[1:43:16] hang out and
[1:43:17] uh you know, that you do horse riding
[1:43:19] close by. You can do the frisbee golf.
[1:43:21] Uh when when it snows in Utah, there's
[1:43:23] water right there too. Not this year but
[1:43:26] I think the importance of uh of
[1:43:28] elevating the ability to have mixed use
[1:43:30] and multiple uses but also we need to
[1:43:33] really push hard and get some more
[1:43:34] amenities in Payson because that will
[1:43:36] drive more recreation.
[1:43:40] » Yeah, thank you for highlighting that.
[1:43:41] That's been one of the key points that
[1:43:42] we've been focusing and we flashed up
[1:43:44] some of the mapping of it, but
[1:43:46] I mean, you could see that some of the
[1:43:47] food and and beverage accommodations
[1:43:50] right now are not located directly next
[1:43:52] to trails or you know, increasing that
[1:43:54] connectivity in some ways. We'll we'll
[1:43:55] have more specific recommendations to
[1:43:57] come in the future.
[1:43:58] >> I think that could be a good thing too
[1:43:59] for the for the chamber of of future
[1:44:01] businesses to show them, "Hey, these are high target recreation areas
[1:44:06] in Payson that is underserved. You could
[1:44:07] capture some of this money if they had a restaurant or an amenity of some kind
[1:44:12] that was close by." Because we're losing
[1:44:14] too much sales tax money in Payson. It's
[1:44:16] going elsewhere cuz people don't know
[1:44:17] where to go or what we do have is so
[1:44:20] overused that they show up and it's too
[1:44:21] busy and they have to leave.
[1:44:22] >> Yeah. Well, they've got to establish
[1:44:25] >> Another thing to look at this too is um
[1:44:28] I know the library has a few things
[1:44:30] people can rent, but we need more places
[1:44:33] to rent like
[1:44:34] for
[1:44:36] cross-country skiing or something like
[1:44:38] that or or mountain bikes or ATVs or
[1:44:41] something. We need that kind of
[1:44:42] businesses too to attract people here
[1:44:44] that are visiting that don't bring that
[1:44:46] stuff. So we So it's more than just
[1:44:48] having the amenities or that that, but
[1:44:51] having something so people can use it
[1:44:53] too. So look at that. And um
[1:44:56] you talked a little bit about winter
[1:44:58] sports and I think it Did Did you have a
[1:45:00] chance to talk to the Forest Service yet
[1:45:02] about that parking they're looking at
[1:45:04] and where they are on that?
[1:45:06] >> Uh I I don't want to say too much. I
[1:45:08] believe that's probably more in in
[1:45:09] Jill's court to to update the council
[1:45:11] on, but that is Those discussions are
[1:45:13] ongoing.
[1:45:13] >> Okay.
[1:45:17] » Can I make one comment? Sorry, Council.
[1:45:20] Um the one thing that I just wanted to
[1:45:22] jump in with going on Councilman
[1:45:24] Baroli's comment a little bit about
[1:45:26] accommodation. One thing when that map
[1:45:28] came up about food and beverages and and
[1:45:30] accommodation, we identified the hotel,
[1:45:32] but was there any consideration given to
[1:45:34] short-term rentals like Airbnb and stuff
[1:45:37] like that?
[1:45:38] >> Uh we did not do a holistic review of
[1:45:40] it. It's somewhat difficult to find
[1:45:42] easily accessible data on that.
[1:45:44] >> Okay.
[1:45:45] I I just think that that is a viable alternative as well. Um
[1:45:50] something for the council to continue to
[1:45:52] consider, but um
[1:45:55] yeah, I think it's an important part of
[1:45:57] recreation and accommodation in our
[1:45:58] community.
[1:45:59] >> A lot of those three-story places could
[1:46:01] become Airbnbs.
[1:46:03] >> You know, it's typically the those those
[1:46:05] cause me a little bit of heartburn, but
[1:46:06] I think that would be a valuable data
[1:46:08] point to have in the survey, too, is ask
[1:46:10] the residents how do they feel about
[1:46:12] short-term rentals in order to help
[1:46:13] elevate Payson recreation opportunities.
[1:46:16] >> Yeah, absolutely.
[1:46:17] >> and see what they think. I don't like
[1:46:18] it, but maybe maybe the residents like
[1:46:20] it more than I do.
[1:46:26] » Uh Councilman Rowley, just to your
[1:46:27] point, I just wanted to clarify one
[1:46:29] thing, too, with the the the purpose of
[1:46:31] this plan isn't solely as a as a
[1:46:33] planning tool for the city. This is something we hope
[1:46:37] can be distributed to members of the
[1:46:38] public. So, to your point of, you know,
[1:46:40] if you have potential business owners
[1:46:41] coming in, this could be, we hope, I
[1:46:43] mean, I would consider very successful
[1:46:45] if this is something you could hand to
[1:46:46] them and say, "Hey, are you thinking
[1:46:47] about, you know, connecting to outdoor
[1:46:48] recreation? This is what it looks like
[1:46:49] in Payson. This is how you can use it."
[1:46:55] » Look forward to the the next phase of
[1:46:57] >> Me, too.
[1:46:59] >> Thank you for your time.
[1:47:00] >> Thank you.
[1:47:01] >> Any questions, Council?
[1:47:02] >> Mhm.
[1:47:03] Thank you.
[1:47:04] >> Good job.
[1:47:04] >> Thank you.
[1:47:07] » Uh I You know what we didn't ask you the
[1:47:09] whole time frame of completion.
[1:47:11] >> Oh, thank you. Uh we are expecting the
[1:47:14] public survey in August.
[1:47:15] >> Okay.
[1:47:16] >> And then we we'll have a draft of the
[1:47:18] final plan in the fall or winter.
[1:47:21] >> Wonderful. Thank you.
[1:47:23] All right, Council. Moving on to to item
[1:47:25] number F, I would accept a motion to
[1:47:27] adjourn to closed meeting.
[1:47:29] >> So moved.
[1:47:31] >> Have a motion.
[1:47:31] >> Oh.
[1:47:32] >> I make a motion. I'll modify that a
[1:47:33] little bit. We'll make a motion to
[1:47:35] adjourn to a closed meeting on July
[1:47:38] 15th, 2026 at 7:50 p.m. to for the
[1:47:42] discussion of
[1:47:44] real estate lease Excuse me, for the
[1:47:46] discussion of purchase, exchange, sale,
[1:47:48] or lease of real property.
[1:47:50] >> We needed more details, didn't we?
[1:47:52] >> I have a motion. Now I have a second,
[1:47:54] Council Member Moss.
[1:47:56] Uh
[1:47:57] Roll call vote. Council Member Smith.
[1:48:00] >> Yes.
[1:48:00] >> Council Member Hughes.
[1:48:01] >> Yes.
[1:48:02] >> Council Member Morrell.
[1:48:02] >> Yes.
[1:48:03] >> Council Member Proskauer. Yes.
[1:48:05] Council Member Moss.
[1:48:06] >> Yes.
[1:48:08] >> We're now in a closed session. Thank
[1:48:09] you, everybody, for being here this
[1:48:11] evening.
[1:48:17] » Well, in 5 years, if I