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This conference will now be recorded.
>> controversies were non-existent and

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shown disdain and disrespect for fellow
council members, even those from his own

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political party.
Most of the issues he introduces at

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public meetings are so hyper-partisan,
extreme, and inappropriate for local

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government discourse that it's crystal
clear to anyone paying attention that

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the only thing he's interested in is
promoting himself.

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Municipal officials have an ethical
obligation to act in ways that promote

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public confidence in government. This
means making decisions based on the best

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interests of the community, not on
personal or political motivations.

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Sadly, he's not using his position to
benefit the community, but rather just

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using all of us to advance his own
personal and political agenda.

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He likes to assert that he's defending
our community's values and representing

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residents who elected him, but I feel
confident that the majority of his

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constituents are not in favor of the
division, conflict, and disruption he's

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brought to the council. His behavior has
been a costly distraction from the

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important work our community deserves
from its elected officials.

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For the almost 13 years I've lived in
Peapack-Gladstone, I've been impressed

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by how well our local government
functioned, with one's political party

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affiliation presenting no obstacle to
cooperation and mutual respect, with

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room for healthy discussions and
disagreements.

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That all changed when Councilman Sweeney
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I don't expect this statement to have
any impact on him, well, he's not here

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to hear it.

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But to the rest of the council members,
I urge you to do whatever you can to

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rein in the unproductive and that
dialogue that has pervaded the council

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since January and get back to doing what
you were all elected to do, take care of

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our welcoming and wonderful town.
>> Uh thank you, Ms. Simon, for your

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well-thought-out comments. I appreciate
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is here tonight hears your words real
very clearly

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as well as those attending the meeting,
perhaps the person who most should hear

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them is not here. I'd like to invite you
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them.
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» Okay.
Um thank you again. Sujan, you're next.

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» Hi, Sujan Backerman, Tiger Hill Drive,
Gladstone. I spoke at the last meeting

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and unfortunately it looks like after my
comments, Connor Sweeney still went on

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to be undiplomatic and his usual
disruptive self. So, unfortunately, I

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guess my words did not land or he did
not listen, but tonight I'm just

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speaking very quickly about
my support of the library. Just want to

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share again, I've lived here 23 years
with my family. My kids have enjoyed

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growing up at that library as is
starting as toddlers at Ms. Jenna's

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story times, renting books and videos,
attending special programming there, and

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then studying there for, you know, after
school. And not to mention that they use

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that space for story summer rec, which
is, you know, a

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valuable space to have. Um
unfortunately, Mr. Sweeney's not here to

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listen to it, but I will speak again if
if need be. I'm just very curious to see

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who on this council will support this
ridiculous initiative that he's brought

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up to dismantle our current library.
It's a valuable resource again, and it's

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a cherished part of this town.
And I hope uh the rest of the council

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members listen to the constituency here
and it's important to us. Thank you.

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» Thank Thank you, Sujan.
Carolyn Campion, you're next.

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» Hello. Hello. Carolyn Campion, 32 Old
Chester Road. Um you know, I was also am

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still going to speak on the library
issue. Um I understand what the mayor is

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saying that there's going to be time
hopefully to further discuss this, but I

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have to be honest, I don't find that
incredibly reassuring. I feel like how

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things have been handled lately with the
town council that I would like to feel

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that that is some sort of reassurance,
but I don't I don't understand why an

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issue as large as this wouldn't go to
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referendum. I don't know why one council
person who claims to be offended by a

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pride exhibit can now um put us all into
this situation. So, I did have a longer

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speech to say, but I'm going to just
abbreviate it cuz I honestly cannot

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believe we're all here. I cannot believe
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that library so beautifully renovated,
that now we're taking time away from

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serious issues in this town, real
issues, and instead we're all stressed

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because one person wants to rip this
town apart. And I feel like before we

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readdress this, whether it's in
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September, I think everyone here in this
entire town deserves to know where does

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everyone on this town council stand.
Whether you're at the meetings or not at

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the meetings, where do you stand on this
issue? Do you really understand it? Do

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you understand our contract with the
county? Do you understand what we would

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lose if we go out of that contract? I
feel like it's all a little bit of a

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mystery where people on this council
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know.
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closing the library for good? Is that
the ultimate plan? Because I can tell

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you I believe the majority of the
residents in this town do not want that

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to happen. So, are we talking to the
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residents? Are we just following one
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That's what I want to know.
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» Yeah, you're welcome and thank you for
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And Carolyn, I would tell you
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one council member on their own cannot
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that easy.
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resolution. Two council members can
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rid of our library with a resolution.
Okay? A resolution doesn't do it. I

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believe it would require at minimum an
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referendum. It's that big an issue. And
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a matter resolution, a referendum. I
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went that far. And I I'll tell you right
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if it ever went that far.
I really don't believe it will, and I

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don't think you need to worry about the
our library ever being shuttered. There

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will be a library here for a very long
time after this. I can assure you of

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that.
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One council member is allowed to say
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that's what the borough wants or what
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And unfortunately, we have no control
over that. That individual is an elected

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official, and they have the right to do
that as much as

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some or all of the rest of us don't like
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Okay? And
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But that is what we're dealing with
dealing with and whether you know it or

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not, we are actually working very hard
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address that as best we can.
Valerie, could you mute your microphone,

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please?

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Valerie, could you mute your microphone,
please?

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Thank you. Thank you. So so that So
everyone knows. Please don't think this

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is doom and gloom because one council
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"I want to get rid of the library."
Don't read into it. It is not that easy.

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So, let me reassure you of that.
All right. Uh Jackie Braun, you're next.

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You're muted. We can't hear you.

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Still can't hear you.

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We see you talking, but we can't hear
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Your microphone on your computer is not
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Now Now you've muted yourself on the
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No, it's not yet.

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Well, I'll I'll move on to somebody
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and reconnect. Maybe that will help.
Okay, and I'll come back to you.

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All right, let's move on. I I don't know
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» Hi. Thank you. My name is Jennifer from
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» Last name, please.
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A couple months ago, I stood up at your
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things. I put my support behind parental
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that's quite a big leap. And I let the
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speaking to some of the librarians when
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When I left that meeting, I was met by a
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happy with what I said, and they were
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And the gist was
you don't belong here. You don't even

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live in this town. And I said, "Well, I
live 3 minutes down the road." And that

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didn't satisfy them. They kept pushing.
They wanted to know where I lived. And I

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said, "I live in Chester." And they
said, "Well, you don't even really

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belong here. Why are you here?" Uh
deepen. And to that said to them

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I said, "We're all neighbors."
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"No."
They said, "No, we are not neighbors."

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And then I listened to last month's
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couple things that I heard some
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who let's say have the same sentiment as
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I heard and I'm quoting here, "We find
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disagree."
It's disappointing to see Sweeney and

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those supporting him choose division
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We support our LGBTQ neighbors because
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There was mention of bringing neighbors
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matters is supporting our community
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So, what's happening here?
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not practicing what you preach.
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this has nothing to do with being
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Maybe this is all about control dressed
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The questions that some residents are
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are
"Your library has five displays.

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Why put questionable material, I'll say
questionable, likely it's not for the

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littles.
Why put it closest to the littles room

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and on a table with crayons versus the
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Who's their audience?
Why am I not their neighbor? Because I'm

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trying to protect my child innocence.
What would we call those not trying to

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protect the innocent?
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I'm loosely going to suggest is
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they live in the best country
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reached your 3-minute limit.
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» I have one more one more thing. I really
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I'd like to compliment all of you. I
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all over.
God bless them.

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» Thank you.
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» Please respect the limit, please, or
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» problem. I just want to compliment
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stop. So, please.
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paperwork.
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Bob Baker.
>> Hi. Bob Baker from uh 100 Bender Road,

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Gladstone.
Um first of all, is are is our town

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meetings open to people from any town or
are they just people allowed to speak

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just from our town?
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to any citizen of any any any area.
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Um you know, I was going to I had a
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I'm just going to sideline that and I
just sort of echo what Carolyn said. I

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think that uh
you know, I don't feel confident that

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this is going to be um handled properly.
Uh I'm not sure that people aren't going

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to try to
you know, is there any way that people

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could do like sneaky votes or if if all
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You know, we need some we need more
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Mayor and um
you know, I'll I'll leave all my

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prepared comments aside, but uh
this is a really big issue that has a

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lot of people really upset.
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of council members upset as well.
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» Because we feel the
Let me speak Let me speak for myself. I

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can't speak for anybody else.
I'm upset by it. I think it's ridiculous

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and silly.
Okay, I think the Somerset County

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Library System does a fine job managing
our library. That's how I feel about it.

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Okay? And I know a number of other
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I will fight to ensure that the Somerset
County I will I have I'm sorry, I should

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speak only for myself. I will fight to
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System keeps its place.
Um as I know some others likely will as

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well.
So, I can't offer you any assurances

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because it is a council and I don't know
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most council members shove this issue
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» It would be helpful for us to know what
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» And you'd have to
You'd have to poll them individually. I

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can't ask them
I can't ask them to get their opinion

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right now. I'm sorry, that would be
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» Mayor, I I think uh
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Ms. Braun's has her volume working, but
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right now.
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Um to Bob, thank you for your comments.
Are you done?

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» Yeah, I'm done. Thank you, Mr.
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Braun.
>> Okay, I think Am I on now?

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» You're on.
>> Yes, thank you. Jacqueline Braun, 63

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Main Street. Uh we moved here, I think
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And
I am kind of surprised at the unfair

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bashing of Councilman Sweeney that I'm
seeing on social media pegging him as

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homophobic,
racist, everything is unjust to him. And

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I was trying to educate myself on the
display that has

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uh
been at the library for Pride Month. So,

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I did take out one of the books that was
in question.

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my question is is it really appropriate

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to have a book
where children can access it that

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involves a sexual relationship between a
19-year-old and a 15-year-old, whether

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they be same sex or opposite sex. I just
don't think that that is appropriate in

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our library. And I think uh Councilman
Sweeney also was quoted saying that he

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uh
wouldn't care if it was heterosexual or

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homosexual, that it involves children,
and that should not be accessible to

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preteens.
So, I just think he's being unfairly

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bashed about that.

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And I guess my question is at you had
mentioned on the 11th, this is going to

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be brought up more in person about that
display. Is that I guess I will come in

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person as well?
>> No, what I said was at the one of the at

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the at the meeting it's likely going to
occur on the meeting of September 22nd

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when this will be discussed cuz that's
the next meeting that I know of when the

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entire council will be present.
>> Okay. All right, very good. I

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appreciate. Thank you for letting me
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» Uh, you're welcome.
>> Thank you.

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» Uh, you're welcome. Um,
Heather S, which I believe is Heather

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Heather Santoro, you're next.
>> Hi, thank you. Um, yes, my name is

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Heather Santoro. I live at 3 Louise Lane
in Gladstone.

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Um, I am speaking as a private citizen
this evening and not

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um, in my capacity of a board of ed
member. My statements do not reflect the

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board on which I sit. Um, I just I I
appreciate um, Mr. Mayor that there will

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be further discussion on this. This is
obviously a very serious and concerning

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issue to so many of us. I just wanted to
point out one thing as you guys move

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forward with council conversation on
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I I just want to ask you to take your
responsibility as council people very

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seriously.
Um, the thought of removing our library

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from a county system that has been
serving us

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well for over 40 years without any level
of consideration for what that looks

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like, the impact on our community
um, a fiscal perspective as well as a

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social perspective is really quite
frightening to me. There needs to be

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some serious discussions and
considerations

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if there was ever even a thought of
removing us from the system. So, I do

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hope that our council members take this
very very seriously going forward.

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Um having said that, I believe our
library is working. Our librarians are

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excellent. Our residents use it. We just
invested heavily into it. And I would

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just like to note with a very simple
phone call today within 5 minutes, I was

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able to determine that there is a
process

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through the county library system. If
somebody objects to a book, it is a very

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easy process. There is um our steps
lined out, a form to fill out, and all

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you need to do is implement that process
for any book to be considered. So, I'm

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just curious if Councilman Sweeney ever
implemented that process instead or or

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if he's implemented that process rather
than leaping to removing something that

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has been serving this community for over
40 years, an invaluable resource,

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and taking it away from the residents he
serves. So, I I would like to consider

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that that process is available for
everybody. It literally took me one

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phone call,
a 2-minute conversation, and I had the

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form in my email box. So, I presume that
anybody on this call, in our town, in

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our county can avail themselves of that
process as well. So, that is all I would

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like to say this evening. I thank you
very much for your time.

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» You're welcome. Thank you for your
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Um seeing no one else on the list, does
anybody else wish to speak on a

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non-agenda item?

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Seeing
Seeing none, I'm going to close the

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public comment portion non-agenda items
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And we're going to move on.
Uh again, thank you everyone for your

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comments.
Moving on, we have no old business on

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the agenda tonight. We move on to new
business. Uh the gypsy moth moth survey

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uh Council President Murphy, will you
speak to that, please?

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» Sure. So, we got a letter from the
Department of Agriculture that um the

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gypsy moth has been identified in our
area in our county and they um requested

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that they did a survey basically looking
for egg mass um and evidence of gypsy

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moth. So, it's just something that's
going to be occurring um this fall. Um

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and so, if you see individuals from the
Department of Agriculture, you'll know

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that's what they're doing. They're
assessing how this highly injurious um

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insect is affecting um our trees. So,
pretty straightforward.

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» Okay.
Thank you and then we are responding

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positively to that re- uh we are
supplying positively that we want that

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done.
>> So, absolutely.

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Can I talk for a second um about this?
Um so, yeah, we got our our packet for

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the council. So, if everyone in the
community knows, we get our packet of

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all the resolutions to look at on Friday
before the meeting. Um and then in that

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packet, we got a letter from the state
of New Jersey and then attention

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municipal clerk. The New Jersey
Department of Agriculture regrets to

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inform you that the defoliation caused
by the gypsy moth has been detected in

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your municipality.
Um the gypsy moth is a highly injurious

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forest insect that feeds on severely
defoliates many species of trees

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normally found in forested residential
areas. And then it So, so they detected

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it, but then they go on to say the
Department of Agriculture has developed

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an integrated pest management system
which utilizes aerial sprays

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with the biological insecticide bacillus
thuringiensis

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when residential and recreational
forests are threatened with heavy

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defoliation in adjacent uninhabited
woodlands, natural control agents such

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as parasites, predators, and diseases of
the gypsy moth are encouraged. Um then

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it goes on to read, "If your council
wishes the department to conduct the egg

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mass surveys in your municipality,
please contact our office. There is no

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charge for these inspections. However,
you're required to supply copy of your

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municipal map to the inspector for the
survey. Initially, the survey will be

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conducted to the residential and
recreational areas of your municipality.

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If time permits, the more uninhabited
areas also will be inspected."

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And then it goes on, "But you must
complete the department is pleased to be

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able to offer these services once again,
but you must complete and return the

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enclosed request form to this office by
August 15th, 2020 to be eligible."

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Now, this was not put before council.
Why such a quick time

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lapse? And then I see as part of our
packet that we were not voting on this.

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Nancy Bresner already Yes, please survey
for the gypsy moth. And it succeeded

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8-3.
So, I'm actually

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um
pretty upset about this. Why wasn't this

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put to a vote or even shown to any of us
prior to Friday?

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And and and I under understand they've
already detected

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you know, this
um gypsy moth.

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Is this another communities, you know,
why is it why wasn't a county vote? Is I

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mean there's there's a lot of questions
here that I have and it's it feels like

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this is slammed in my face and we I was
not given my due right to vote on this

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as a council member.
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm missing

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something from you, Jill. What it was
the harm of having a survey done?

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» The harm is I don't know what this is a
spray of of aerial spray that could

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possibly happen. That's just
>> Jill, Jill, this is a request to have a

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survey done. No spray is being done.
>> But if a survey's already been done, if

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they've already detected it in our
community.

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» No. No, this is a request to have them
do a survey. They're not doing any

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spraying. This all they're going to do
is come in and survey.

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» Well, my question is
>> So, they've detected it and now they

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want to know how it how invasive it is.
They want to know

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» We want to know is this just our
community? Is it cuz we we are a town,

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right? We There's other farm communities
from more forested communities. Have

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they gotten this letter, too? Why the
deadline of August 15th? And yeah, it's

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a survey, Mark and Jamie, but why
weren't we asked to also weigh in on

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this?
>> I think as chair of property in and in

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discussion with the mayor, we we just
thought this would seem like a a

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reasonable thing to help the Department
of Agriculture assess an invasive bug

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and we didn't think it was necessary to
involve the entire council.

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Um and again, it's just a survey. Um
with your feedback, when we get this

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information, we'll obviously bring it to
a vote if we decide to move ahead with

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um any of the insecticides. I mean,
they're biologic, which are typically

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the safest type. Um but you know, we'll
make sure to do a vote um after the

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survey if we decide to treat.
>> So, I did also some background

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information on this and um one of the
things that I found out is that um

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well, one question The first question
that I have is that have they detected

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it if they haven't done a survey?
So, that's the first question. And the

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second thing that I wanted to mention, I
did some research on this and

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Peapack-Gladstone has never ever
experienced a critical severe

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infestation. I understand that's not to
say that it couldn't happen, but um

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this is normally found in like the pine
barren areas, in areas of high um you

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know, forestation. You see some of it up
in Chester and forest. You wouldn't

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really see it on farmland.
Um, it would be very unusual for you to

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see it there.
In order to actually qualify for the

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state to pick it up, you have to have
like they have measurements that they go

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through.
Um, where it has to be, you know, 500

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egg mass per acre over a 40 50 acre
size. So, I mean this to me seems like

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and there's all kinds of repercussions
where okay, it's it's found in dense oak

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forest. Well, where do we have dense oak
forest? And you have to, you know,

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the egg the egg survey done in the fall
and then if you're treating, you have to

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treat in the spring. And you have to
make sure that the caterpillars are less

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than a half inch long and there's all
kind of

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things that you need to file file as far
as protocol goes, but the thing that

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really stood out to me the most is that
this is not typically a hotspot for any

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type of infestation. Historically, there
it's very common up in Sussex County.

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It's common in the Pine Barrens.
Um, they said that in Somerset County,

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it's it's always remained too low to
treat.

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» Yeah, and that's, you know, that's why
that's why, you know, they count on park

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rangers and and county employees to
monitor various areas. And so my my

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guess, although they didn't inform us in
the letter of who identified it, it's

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very likely a county employee who
identified it and hence the survey.

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Because the reality is is all of these
invasive species, you know, whether

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you're talking about the gypsy moth or
the lantern fly or, you know, the the

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stink bug, I'm sorry, I don't remember
the scientific name for it. You know,

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those all started in one location and
spread. And so basically that's the

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role, one of the many roles of the
Department of Agriculture, is is

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identify spreading invasive species and
stop that spread. There's a real serious

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spread of disease down in Texas right
now of the screwworm. I don't know how

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it seems like, you know, you're reading
up on the Department of Agriculture.

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Like that is the role of this
department, and I think it's our role as

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council people to
ensure that they get the help that they

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need to identify these these invasives
because they can do serious damage to

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our forest, and we do have forests in
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» Well,
>> I I I have a question for Jill Jill

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and/or Julie.
Are you suggesting we should have

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responded, "No, don't do the free survey
for us." So, we might have a reassurance

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one way or another that we either do
have a problem or we don't have a

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problem. Why not?
Why are you

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» Why are you yelling? Why are you yelling
at us?

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» I'm sorry.
>> Why are you raising your tone and

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yelling at us? We're having
>> I'm not yelling. I'm not yelling.

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» You just yelled, "No." two times.
>> I'm just curious. Why would we not do

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it? We're not paying for it. It's being
done as a courtesy.

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» we're not refuting the fact that you're
we're looking at it. We're looking at

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one, not being consulted on this, and
two, really like they sent you this

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letter. It's a form letter. It's not
even addressed to us, and I would want

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more information on why they think that
we have a potential infestation.

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» And may I also add, if I'd gotten a
letter like this, I would have asked,

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"Hey,
let's call you you talk Mark to the

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other mayors in the other towns. Hey,
did you guys get this letter, too? Did

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you Did you Nancy or whoever else was
privy to seeing this?

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Ask those questions?"

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» No, I didn't. I don't think it's
necessary. When the Department of

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Agriculture thinks there's a risk of an
invasive species and all they want to do

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is a survey that is no cost to the
bureau whatsoever, no harm to the

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bureau, I say go ahead and move forward.
My guess is

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» a fear of not questioning the Department
of Agriculture. Let's just put it that

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way.
>> Who are you questioning then? That's

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where the letter came from.
>> I said you have a history of not

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questioning the Department of
Agriculture.

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» Oh, I don't.

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» Correct.
>> I don't I don't understand where that's

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coming from.
Is it something to

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to do with
I I don't understand where that's coming

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from, Joe.
>> Yeah, see now the way I see it is if if

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they do a survey and they send us a
report, the survey will answer your

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questions. It will say, "Oh, we we
detected this because it came from here.

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We've we've followed these gypsy moths."
Well, why do we need to know it before

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00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:30,680
the survey is done? Let the survey
answer the answer your questions.

419
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,680
It's a survey.

420
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:37,440
I'm not I'm not following why you're
>> It just seems suspicious.

421
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,880
» I I don't like
>> I don't like aerial I use the word

422
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,520
aerial spraying and it just gets me
nervous.

423
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:48,360
» They're not doing aerial spraying.
>> It says in the letter that the survey

424
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,840
says that they're there. It says aerial
spraying.

425
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:57,720
» No, what No, what it says in the letter
is it's treated by aerial spreading

426
00:31:55,200 --> 00:32:02,760
spraying if there's an infestation.
>> Right, but it says aerial spraying.

427
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:05,080
» This is a survey. It's It's not saying,
"We're going to survey and then we're

428
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:09,000
going to come in and spray." It doesn't
say that. It says, "We're going to We're

429
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,360
offering you a free survey." That's all
it says.

430
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:15,040
» Maybe our town should do our own survey
before trusting the federal government

431
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,600
to do it.
>> It's It's not the federal government.

432
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:22,160
This is the state government. This is
the state Department of Agriculture.

433
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:25,160
It's not the federal. It has nothing to
do with federal.

434
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,840
» All right, well then maybe we should do
our own survey first.

435
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:34,680
» So So what you're suggesting is that we
hire a professional, contract with them,

436
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:39,160
and let them do a gypsy moth survey
rather than experts at the state who

437
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:41,920
know about this do it for free. That's
what you're suggesting.

438
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,760
» Well, nothing's for free. Our taxpayers
pay for them as well.

439
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:49,120
» No billable No No
No billable cost to the bureau and no

440
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:52,120
billable cost. Is that what you're
asking suggesting?

441
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:56,160
» I'm suggesting we should have talked to
the other towns and see if they got the

442
00:32:54,360 --> 00:33:00,120
same letter and just kind of talked
about it first and kind of questioned

443
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,560
it. Maybe instead of signing this
letter, did someone call the state

444
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:07,440
Department of Agriculture? Did anyone
talk to them? We just

445
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,800
piece of paper saying, "Yeah, come on.
Do a survey."

446
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,840
» It's a form letter. It's just a form
letter.

447
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,720
» That's all we're questioning. I'm not
saying, "Oh, we should pay for it

448
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:22,280
ourselves." I'm just questioning was
this questioned? I just see a paper of

449
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:27,080
slapped in my inbox at 5:00 or whatever
time Sorry, 1:30 or whatever time it was

450
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,600
on Friday and I and it's signed and it
wasn't There was Was it questioned?

451
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,640
» And
you didn't Friday and tonight

452
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:36,840
Friday and tonight you didn't pose that
question to Nancy or Jamie or Jamie or

453
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,880
somebody else?
>> Well, I was away.

454
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,680
» Oh, okay.
>> Okay.

455
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,600
» And I don't I just didn't think it was
enough time to review it anyway, but

456
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,480
» Okay.

457
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:55,200
» I'm just questioning that these things
that are handled are just not really

458
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:58,640
brought up to the whole council. It
seems like it should That should have

459
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:01,320
been brought up to the whole council.
>> It is being brought up to the whole

460
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,960
council. That's why Jamie put it on the
agenda.

461
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:07,800
» And that but why was it signed and sent
back?

462
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:11,159
» Because it's a survey. So, they're doing
a report. They're going to come look

463
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:15,800
around and go and write a report and
send it to us.

464
00:34:13,879 --> 00:34:18,560
I'm not sure what the damage is. I'm not
sure what you're worried about.

465
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,600
» And what if the authority What if they
do find something and then they suddenly

466
00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:25,679
have the authority to do aerial sprays?
>> They don't have any authority to do it.

467
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:29,560
They'd have to come to the bureau and
they get that authority. They'd have to

468
00:34:26,919 --> 00:34:32,960
go to a council for a vote.
>> Okay, well, I don't I don't doesn't say

469
00:34:31,399 --> 00:34:35,280
that on this letter, but was it a
question

470
00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:39,240
» Actually, let's stop this conversation.
Let's bring Steven to the picture. Steve

471
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,280
Steve Warner, Esquire, can you please
elaborate on this conversation and give

472
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:48,159
us your perspective from a legal point
of view, please?

473
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:54,080
» Certainly, I'm not an expert on gypsy
moth spraying, uh but from the letter

474
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,400
uh that I read
uh

475
00:34:55,159 --> 00:35:01,440
I would have to research to
I got it probably the same time

476
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:04,200
everybody else did
uh or at least the governing body

477
00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:09,120
members did.
Um but from the letter I read uh I could

478
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:14,960
not tell
uh whether doing the survey or not doing

479
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:19,160
the survey one way or the other had any
impact on whether aerial spraying would

480
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:25,280
or would not occur
in our bureau or the uh a control over

481
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:30,760
that happening that we would have. So, I
would have to look into it myself uh and

482
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:35,760
do my own research. Uh if someone
authorized to do so to try to to to make

483
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:40,280
that determination. I'm not an expert on
on the state Department of Agriculture's

484
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:44,520
authority to spray or not spray
uh

485
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:49,320
and the impact of
agreeing or not agreeing to have an

486
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:54,400
initial survey done on that. It's
possible It's possible if we didn't do

487
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:58,520
the survey, they might still spray. It's
possible that if we did do the survey,

488
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:02,600
we might have the authority to say yes
or no to spraying uh depending upon what

489
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:08,120
they find or regardless of what they
find. So, I'm just pointing out I don't

490
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:11,360
have that answer if that is the answer
you're looking for. I'd have to do my

491
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:16,000
own research on that.
>> Okay, but you you did enlighten us on we

492
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:20,080
we may not have we may or may not have
the authority to vote on this cuz Mayor

493
00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:23,320
Mark just said we would have the
authority. He assured

494
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:27,520
» All I'm saying is I personally have not
done the research, so I do not know for

495
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:30,400
a fact one way or the other. That's all
I am saying.

496
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:34,640
» Mark, do you know for a fact that we'd
have the authority to vote on it if they

497
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:39,040
decided if they found that these were
harmful insects in our area and would we

498
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:45,720
have the authority to vote on this?
>> I I would think that if the if the

499
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:51,160
Department of Agriculture found a large
gypsy moth infestation and they wanted

500
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:56,200
to spray P Palak Limestone and they
wrote us a report suggesting that that

501
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:59,640
that is an important enough issue that
it would come to council for

502
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:01,320
concurrence. Absolutely.
>> All right, that makes me feel better

503
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:06,080
about the possibility.
>> my decision for property to make or any

504
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,080
other chair to make or for myself to
make for that matter or the

505
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:12,240
administrator to make. That is a council
decision. Hands down.

506
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,640
» makes me feel better. Okay.
>> Hands down.

507
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:17,760
» for engaging in the discussion. This
that makes me feel much better.

508
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,800
» Absolutely.
>> If you could let us know your findings

509
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:25,520
concur like
if your your findings are the same as

510
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:29,600
what Mark's saying then I'll feel much
better about this whole thing.

511
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:32,800
» No, no, no. Survey Survey's one thing.
Come coming with a helicopter and

512
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:35,480
spraying the chemical over the town is
another thing.

513
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,920
» Yeah, but I am
>> And I am

514
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,360
» just to
I have not researched it and I don't

515
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:48,120
consider artificial intelligence with
all due respect to be the same as

516
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:53,800
human intelligence.
I hope it never surpasses that. But but

517
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:57,800
the the the but
what it is quickly telling me is it

518
00:37:55,600 --> 00:38:03,880
appears as if it would be a I'm I'm
seeing the words voluntary cooperative

519
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:10,320
suppression program using biological
insecticides. So I myself am becoming

520
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:17,520
more comfortable that the ultimate
conclusion may be that we would have

521
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:21,680
some say perhaps you know all the say if
you will as to whether or not

522
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:26,280
uh
we're sprayed so to speak. But again,

523
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:30,800
that that's just a um
it's a a preliminary

524
00:38:28,720 --> 00:38:34,796
opinion, not a legal opinion, and not a
definitive opinion.

525
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,720
» Thank you. That's That's helpful.
[laughter]

526
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:40,920
» Everyone, everyone, I think we beat this
up enough. Let's move on.

527
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:46,520
Um
>> Before we move on, is is Ste- uh is uh

528
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,320
Esquire Warner allowed
to do further research on this?

529
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:57,840
» I'm sorry, say that again?
>> Uh before we move on, uh is Steven

530
00:38:55,600 --> 00:39:01,480
Warner approved to do further research
on this?

531
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:05,200
» Well, um I'm sorry, research for what?
>> To make sure it's going to be a

532
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:09,760
municipal decision on whether or not
this is a spray- this can just be done

533
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:14,200
by the state Department of Agriculture,
or will we have a say?

534
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:17,520
» He doesn't have to do research. If for
some reason they come back and say we

535
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:21,960
should
you have an infestation, your town has

536
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:25,280
to be sprayed. When
Nancy already knows from our

537
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:30,440
conversation tonight, it has to be put
on the agenda for her concurrence.

538
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:34,520
» But was the signing of this approval of
this letter that was not approved by any

539
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:39,440
of council, are we going to have the
right to vote on if this is going to be

540
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:43,920
sprayed or not, if they find in this
research that

541
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:48,560
there is
>> has nothing to do with that, Jill.

542
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,720
The letter has no The letter has no
control over how this council operates.

543
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:55,040
It's our decision.
>> has a signature on it, and we were not

544
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:59,600
told we were not allowed to vote on
that. It has a signature.

545
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:03,600
» signature to approve a survey.
It's a survey. That's all it's doing.

546
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:09,160
It's saying, yes, come in and take a
look around. That's what it's saying.

547
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:12,920
» Jill, I just did some quick research as
as everyone's arguing back and forth,

548
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:17,080
and we need to be more cognizant of of
professionalism amongst

549
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:22,080
our town, but also we're here to
represent our constituents. The state

550
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:26,720
does not have unilateral decision make
making decisions to spray without our

551
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:32,840
approval. If that's the land is state
owned then it does. But ultimately

552
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:36,720
we what we what I just did I looked at
it thoroughly I looked at it and

553
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:40,400
ultimately we signed looks like approval
to do a survey to figure out if there's

554
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:45,520
a need to spray. If there is a need to
spray the state does not have unilateral

555
00:40:42,720 --> 00:40:49,320
decision making to spray. Unless we
approve it as a town or if it's land

556
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,920
state land
owned property. So ultimately and I'll

557
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:56,120
do some more due diligence but at the
end of the day

558
00:40:54,480 --> 00:41:00,400
there's a lot of tension here. And this
is exactly what our town members are are

559
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:05,160
are talking about and concerned about
that we can't have a simple discussion

560
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:08,360
and that goes for our constituents as
well because right now we're fighting

561
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:11,680
each other
and I think we're setting a a poor

562
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:15,120
example. We're setting a poor example
with with some council members not

563
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,640
currently here. But at the end of the
day let's do what's right for the town

564
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:22,840
with the best interest of the town in
mind and the end goal being positive for

565
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:27,480
everyone. Not everyone's going to see
IDI but ultimately

566
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:31,560
I think we all need to take a step back
and do our due diligence educate

567
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:36,240
ourselves in in in these programs
and I truly believe everyone has a good

568
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:41,600
heart but ultimately the state cannot
spray without our approval and our

569
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:45,440
signature. But I also understand your
point

570
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:50,960
that sometimes things do come across our
desk that are ultimately last minute and

571
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:56,600
we're kind of shocked by it. But that's
again for us to discuss in terms of

572
00:41:53,120 --> 00:42:02,200
logistics and formalities. Just like now
we can present earlier in the in the

573
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:07,320
agenda as a public agenda. So with that
said I think we need to move on and

574
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,320
we've kind of beat this this enough.

575
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:15,040
Are you good with that Joe?
I'm good with that. Thank you Sergio.

576
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:19,680
» All right. Thank you, Sergio, very much.
Um moving on to miscellaneous blood

577
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:26,400
drive, Council President.
>> Uh so, this is me. So, I um organized a

578
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:31,000
blood drive for Thursday, September 10th
with the New York Blood Center. There is

579
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:36,400
currently a crisis
um need for blood and platelet products.

580
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:41,120
Um and so, I was giving blood and I was
speaking with an individual who helps

581
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:45,520
organize these functions and um
identified a date and then I did reach

582
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:49,840
out to our previous chief of police and
previous mayor, Greg Skinner, um hoping

583
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:57,360
that we could um kind of incorporate
into um a memorial for it's 25 years um

584
00:42:54,960 --> 00:43:03,480
this year for 9/11, uh the attacks on
9/11. And so, we um I planned it for

585
00:43:00,720 --> 00:43:06,800
September 10th, the day before, um and
we'll be doing a memorial on September

586
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,520
11th. We're going to be doing it in the
evening this year

587
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:16,680
um on Friday evening um because it is a
Friday this year. Um so, um I will be

588
00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:23,200
posting around town paperwork and I
really hope that um any councilperson,

589
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:27,920
any resident who is able uh will donate
um whatever they can that day. So,

590
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:33,200
again, um the afternoon 12:30 to 6:30
Thursday, September 10th. Thank you.

591
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,000
» Thank thank you.
>> posted?

592
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:40,360
Uh Jamie, do you have flyers that you
would like posted for the town?

593
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:42,400
» I got some paperwork and I'm going to um
hand them out next week.

594
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,320
» Okay.
>> I'll get some from you then.

595
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,560
And I'll post them at church and other
places. Happy to do that.

596
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:53,360
» Perfect. I appreciate that.
That'd be great. If anyone else needs

597
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,880
paperwork for, you know, a relatively,
it doesn't have to be an in-town

598
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,200
location, but something relatively
nearby that they think that individuals

599
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:03,240
might be interested, please let me know
and I'll make sure you get what you

600
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:09,040
need. I I have electronic QR codes and
um physical paperwork.

601
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:12,360
» Okay. Thank you. Let's um move on to
minutes.

602
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:17,040
Um so we have two sets of minutes. We
can do a consent vote for both. The

603
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:23,520
regular meeting minutes of July 21st,
2026 and the executive session meeting

604
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:29,720
minutes of July 21st, 2026.
May I have a motion second uh

605
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:32,240
to approve both sets of minutes, please?
>> So moved.

606
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:37,040
» And Mayor, just to note, we do have one
of we should have one abstention for

607
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:39,880
both sets of minutes, and that council
member, of course, should not make the

608
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,840
motion or second.
>> Yep.

609
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:45,880
Thank you, Steve.
>> Second.

610
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:49,280
» Jamie was second. Who was first?
>> Jill.

611
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:54,240
» Jill, okay. So Jill and Jamie. Uh any
any discussion, council members?

612
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:57,520
Hearing none, a roll call vote, please,
Nancy.

613
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:01,320
» Council President Murphy.
>> Yes.

614
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:04,400
» Councilman Silva.
>> Abstain.

615
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:07,920
» Councilwoman Sweda.
>> Aye.

616
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,360
» Councilwoman Wyville.
>> Aye.

617
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:19,400
» Okay.
Um

618
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:24,600
moving on, we move to ordinances. So
tonight we have a second reading of an

619
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:29,200
ordinance is 1171-26
2026, and I'll read it. An ordinance of

620
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:33,320
the mayor and council of the Borough of
Peapack and Gladstone, Chapter 23, to

621
00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:38,480
designate data centers as a
non-permitted use in all zones within

622
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:42,480
the borough, and to provide application
requirements for any variance requests.

623
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:45,720
May I have a motion second, please, to
open the public hearing for this

624
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,960
ordinance?
>> So moved.

625
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,960
» Second.
>> And all in favor, please.

626
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:54,840
» Aye.
>> Aye.

627
00:45:52,080 --> 00:46:00,080
» Okay. Um
May Does anyone from the public wish to

628
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:05,520
comment on this ordinance? Now, I see
three people have raised their hands so

629
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:11,040
far, so we'll start with that. Uh
we'll start with Carolyn. Uh Carolyn,

630
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:16,960
would you uh go first, please?
And just turn your um unmute your

631
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,960
microphone and turn your camera on.

632
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,400
» I think she might have had her hand up
from previously and never took it back

633
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,280
down again.
>> Oh, okay. I'm sorry. That's that's

634
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:34,200
that's probably the case. Um
Uh that that that it's only Don uh

635
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:38,520
Donald Lemmer. Uh Donald Lemmer, are you
on the line?

636
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:42,160
» I am uh Mayor, thank you. Um so, uh my
name is Donald Lemmer. I live on Minden

637
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:46,720
Road in Gladstone. Uh I wanted to
provide comments for your consideration.

638
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:50,200
Um I have a great deal of experience in
this area and expertise, and I know all

639
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:53,760
of your intentions are to do what's best
for our residents and community. So,

640
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:57,720
I'll try to be as succinct as possible
and hope you'll find my perspective

641
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:59,920
useful in your deliberations.
Um

642
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:03,960
but, I'm asking that you not approve the
ordinance uh with the restrictions that

643
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:08,240
come with it. By way of background, I
have more than 30 years of experience

644
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:11,920
and expertise in the IT field, hold a
PhD in computer science, and managed the

645
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:15,120
largest scientific database in the
world, and one of the largest data

646
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:18,760
centers in the world in my previous
capacity as director of computing and

647
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:22,600
CIO at one of our federal government's
national laboratories. Among other

648
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:27,600
things, the ordinance states the reasons
advocating for its passage relate to

649
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:31,200
noise, air quality, water use, and
references 3 to 5 million gallons of

650
00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:36,240
water usage a day.
This is preposterous. IT cooling systems

651
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:41,480
use, in simplified terms, a radiator to
expel heat, recycling and not consuming

652
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:46,000
any water to cool the systems. It would
be like saying your car uses 100 gallons

653
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:49,800
of water to drive to ShopRite. It's the
car's radiator that cools it down,

654
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,920
recirculates it, and consumes no water
or coolant at all, and that was my

655
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:56,800
experience in these very large, massive
data centers. Computer systems don't

656
00:47:55,080 --> 00:48:01,480
create any noise. There's no moving
parts, and um within the service

657
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:05,080
themselves, there's zero impact on air
quality as the data centers themselves

658
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:08,120
do not generate any pollutants.
Regarding community character, they're

659
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,880
housed in normal-looking buildings, no
different in external design than any

660
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,680
other building you would find in the
borough, and certainly more attractive

661
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:19,440
than heavy manufacturing facilities,
which are permitted in the borough.

662
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:23,000
Also, I'd like to address the issue of
the consumption of electricity. Now, I

663
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:27,920
would proffer that the power grid in
town is so unstable, and my power's gone

664
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:31,440
out twice in the last weeks, that no
company at present would want to

665
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:35,360
construct a purpose-built data center in
the borough. However, if they did, it

666
00:48:33,720 --> 00:48:39,040
would be highly likely that they would
make substantial investments in

667
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:43,560
stabilizing and creating redundancies in
our power grid. And as we've seen with

668
00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:47,840
PG's successful participation in the 100
and energy aggregation program, the

669
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:51,400
economies of scale actually reduce
electric costs for our residents.

670
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:55,080
Lastly, if a corporate entity were
considering purchasing the space and

671
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,720
investing in the building, um, a
low-impact corporate presence, the

672
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:02,400
desirability of the building and the
price they would pay within our borough

673
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:05,800
would be vastly diminished since this
new regulation would add costs or limit

674
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:10,040
flexibility that they would have to
their property. This would negatively

675
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:13,000
impact the future tax base. So, let me
close with this.

676
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:17,400
The outcomes of the data center and
computing resources that I've worked

677
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:20,760
with have decoded the human genome, done
remarkable work in the field of

678
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:24,600
proteomics, astro particle
physics, and medicine. This type of

679
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:28,480
science and use serves a noble purpose
benefiting all of us. This ordinance,

680
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:32,880
although well-intentioned, appears to be
a solution seeking a problem that simply

681
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:37,200
does not exist. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Don.

682
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:39,920
Um, anyone else wish to comment on this
ordinance?

683
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:47,080
I don't see any hands up.
Oh,

684
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:52,240
Miss or Mrs. Nolan, you are you just
raised your hand, so go ahead.

685
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:55,640
» Hi, I'm Jean Nolan. I live at 4 Hunt
Lane.

686
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:59,880
And I also didn't run a major data
center, but I worked in the IT industry

687
00:49:57,720 --> 00:50:05,160
for 45 years.
And I just think there's a big

688
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:10,080
difference between
the enormous server farms we're seeing

689
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:15,000
spring up now with the lowest cost point
that you can possibly have

690
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:19,280
versus what Don probably had in a major
data center that was running mainframes

691
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:23,680
and very
engineering scientific oriented

692
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:28,720
computing that probably had closed loop
water chillers and some other very

693
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:32,400
efficient capabilities that we're not
seeing in these server farms. So, I

694
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:37,400
think there'd have to be
a lot better understanding of what maybe

695
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:43,680
a water cooled rack is versus the
systems he was managing when he was

696
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:47,760
doing the human genome. Uh and I think
there's nothing wrong with us having

697
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:51,440
this ordinance because let's face it,
hardware has not kept up with software.

698
00:50:50,040 --> 00:50:55,320
And there's not a lot of money going
into

699
00:50:52,520 --> 00:51:01,520
really creating efficient systems that
run at the best

700
00:50:57,240 --> 00:51:05,360
uh peak usage of electricity as well as
um

701
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:09,920
best cooling technologies. And that's
that's all I wanted to add.

702
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:15,280
» All right, thank you Ms. Nolan or Mrs.
Nolan or whatever.

703
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,280
» It's [laughter] It's my It's my time.

704
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:21,040
» Okay, Jean. Thank you, Jean.
Okay. Um

705
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:25,640
I don't see anybody else. I don't see
any more raised hands. Is there anyone

706
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:30,160
else?
Seeing none, may I have a motion second

707
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:34,080
to close the public hearing for this
ordinance?

708
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:36,560
» So moved.
>> Second.

709
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:42,320
» Second.
>> Okay, that was Jill and Jamie Nancy. Uh

710
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:43,480
all in favor?
>> I.

711
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,880
» I.
>> I.

712
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:49,960
» All right, anybody doing Anyone opposed?
Okay, we move on.

713
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:53,440
Um
Um

714
00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:57,360
May I have a motion and second, please,
to adopt ordinance 1171-2026?

715
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,760
» So moved.
>> Second.

716
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:09,560
» Okay, so moved by Nancy, Jill, and
Jamie.

717
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:14,840
And a roll call vote, please, Nancy.
>> Council President Murphy.

718
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,840
» Yes.

719
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:20,840
» Councilman Silva.
>> Yes.

720
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,360
» Councilwoman Sweda.
>> Yes.

721
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:30,760
» Councilwoman Wyble.
>> Aye.

722
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:35,560
» Okay. Ordinance 1171-2026
is now adopted and shall be published by

723
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:41,040
title only on the borough website in
accordance with the law.

724
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:44,960
Okay, so we have a new law.
Right, let's go to resolutions. I would

725
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:48,640
like all the council members to please
take a moment and look at where the

726
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:54,760
resolutions listed on the
resolution list. That's 147-26

727
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:59,160
through 152-26
and 154-26.

728
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:02,800
Take a minute. Let me know if you'd like
to pull any one of those for an

729
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:06,440
individual vote or discussion.
Otherwise, we'll do a and we'll do a

730
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:10,200
consent vote for all the rest.
>> Uh Mayor,

731
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:15,480
can I please just make a suggestion that
resolution 147-26

732
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:21,520
on the person-to-person transfer for the
liquor license be pulled. Um there is

733
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:25,600
somebody on the um
call tonight on the meeting tonight um

734
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:29,600
to speak on the
the buyer's behalf.

735
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:32,280
» Okay, very good. And that's fine. I'll
pull that one.

736
00:53:35,760 --> 00:53:41,120
Now, well, when you're ready, council
members, just give me a

737
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,120
I I yeah I yeah I yeah.

738
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,920
» I'm ready.
>> Jamie's good.

739
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,960
» Good. Good.
>> Jill's good. Julie's good.

740
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:52,800
» I'm good.
>> Sergio, you're good. Okay, we can move

741
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:56,840
on. So, let's start with let's start
with the consent vote. So, may I have a

742
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:02,120
motion and a second for a consent vote
to approve resolutions 148-26

743
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:07,360
through 1
52-26 and resolution 154-26.

744
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,160
Motion and a second.
>> Motion.

745
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:12,640
» Second.
>> Second

746
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:17,040
by Jill.
Okay, Nancy, roll call, please.

747
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:20,440
» Council President Murphy.
>> Yes.

748
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:23,360
» Councilman Silva.
>> Yes.

749
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:26,040
» Councilwoman Sweda.
>> Aye.

750
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,960
» Councilwoman Weibel.
>> Aye.

751
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,080
» Okay.
And [clears throat] now, let's go to

752
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:35,800
resolution number 147-26.
This is a resolution authorizing a

753
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:39,560
person-to-person transfer
of a liquor license.

754
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:44,320
Um
Motion and second for this resolution,

755
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,320
please.

756
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:51,360
» So moved.
>> Second.

757
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:56,360
» Okay, and that was Sergio, right? Was
that you, Sergio? Okay, great. Um

758
00:54:54,440 --> 00:55:02,720
okay, discussion and then we can hear
from the applicant.

759
00:54:58,720 --> 00:55:02,720
Any discussion amongst council?

760
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:09,440
» None.
>> Okay, hearing none, Nancy, tell us who

761
00:55:07,240 --> 00:55:12,120
the applicant is who is present tonight
to talk about this.

762
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:16,240
» Um
I don't

763
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:20,400
I know they were coming on, but I'm not
sure where.

764
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:25,280
» Okay, applicant applicant
um would you please unmute your

765
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:25,280
microphone and tell us who you are?

766
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,320
» I
do not

767
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:34,000
Jay Krawl
is on here.

768
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:37,120
But I don't

769
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:42,440
» Mr. Krawl, can you if you can hear us
Oh, yeah, you just unmuted your

770
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:46,880
microphone. If you could turn your
camera on so we could see you and talk.

771
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:57,360
Wait, we can't hear you.

772
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:06,120
» They are unmuted. I don't see that.
>> see that.

773
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:13,800
Mr. Crow, can
can you uh

774
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:13,800
attempt to speak?

775
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:29,960
Mr. Crow, please try to speak if you
wish to talk about this.

776
00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:32,640
I'll give you another 30 seconds to try
to fix it.

777
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:48,280
» He cannot.

778
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,480
» Um

779
00:56:55,680 --> 00:57:00,200
Mr. Crow, are you still there?
>> He's I

780
00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:06,240
» I think he disconnected or she
disconnected or whatever.

781
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:08,560
» Yes.
>> I know he's connected. I see him I see

782
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:11,120
him still.
>> Uh

783
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:14,160
» I apologize. I cannot get my microphone
to work.

784
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:18,320
» I'm sorry, sir.
>> We have a message from Jay Crow. I

785
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,440
apologize. I cannot get my microphone to
work.

786
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:25,720
» All right, Mr. Crow, would you like
would you like to make a statement on

787
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,720
the chat and I'll read it to everybody?

788
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:34,880
I'll give you a minute to type something
or 30 seconds to type something and I'll

789
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:38,400
read it.
As a courtesy to you. And if not, just

790
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:43,560
tell me you're not going to say
something.

791
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,560
Again, through typing on the chat.

792
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:58,120
If the council has any questions
regarding the application, we would be

793
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:02,400
happy to answer them. Does the council
have any questions regarding this

794
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:02,400
application?

795
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:09,920
Um
seeing none from the council. No, no,

796
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:13,440
Mr. Crowell, um there are no questions
for you. Uh thank you for being on the

797
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:15,880
call with us.
Uh

798
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:21,080
Nancy, would you please uh roll call
vote, please?

799
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:21,080
» Council President Murphy.

800
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:27,200
» Muted.

801
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,720
» Sorry about that, computer issue. Uh
yes.

802
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,360
» Okay.
>> Councilman Silva.

803
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,560
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Sweda.

804
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:44,080
» Yes.
>> Councilwoman Waibel.

805
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:49,280
» I.
>> Okay, thank you, council members. Um

806
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:54,040
let's move on to the bill payment list,
resolution 153-26.

807
00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:57,560
Um
Does any council member have any bill

808
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:00,880
that wish to be wish they wish to have
hold for discussion this evening?

809
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:10,240
Seeing none. Uh Nancy, will you please
to read the total amount of bills to be

810
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:13,240
paid uh on this vote on this resolution.
>> $175,535.73.

811
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:22,080
» May I have a motion and second, please,
to approve the resolution for the

812
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:22,080
payment of these bills?

813
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:27,840
» So moved.
>> Second.

814
00:59:26,080 --> 00:59:30,640
» Okay, got Sergio with second. And I'm
sorry, who was first?

815
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:34,080
» It was Jamie.
>> Jamie, okay. Jamie and Sergio, Nancy.

816
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:37,400
And a roll call vote when you're ready,
Nancy. Nancy.

817
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:40,000
» Council President Murphy?
Yes.

818
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:42,640
Councilman Silva?
>> Yes.

819
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,600
» Councilwoman Sweda?
>> Yes.

820
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:48,400
» Councilwoman Wyvel?
>> I.

821
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:52,520
» Okay.
It is a little slow time of the year,

822
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:55,960
but some of our council members may have
reports from their respective

823
00:59:53,800 --> 01:00:00,040
committees. Does any council member have
a committee report they wish to share

824
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:04,640
with us tonight?
>> No.

825
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:09,040
» Seeing a no from Jill.
Anyone else?

826
01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:13,560
I think we covered some earlier, and I
have nothing outstanding at the moment.

827
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:17,840
Uh Steve, do you have anything from our
legal on us?

828
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:20,840
» No. No uh no report this evening. Thank
you, Mayor.

829
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:24,360
» And Nancy, do you have anything for us?
>> Uh no, not this evening.

830
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:28,520
» Okay, very good.
Um executive summary, I have nothing

831
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:34,000
from the meeting to recap that it needs
to be followed on. So, let's go to

832
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:38,120
public comments on agenda items.
So, these are comments regarding items

833
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:42,480
that were on the agenda.
Uh again, same process as before, please

834
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:47,240
raise your hand if you wish to comment
and address the council on agenda items,

835
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:51,960
and I will call on you. Uh name and
address, please. Um 3 minutes per

836
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,960
person.

837
01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:59,480
I'm not seeing anybody. Could that be?

838
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:09,800
Seeing no one.
Let me just scan it again.

839
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:21,000
Seeing no one, I'm going to close the uh
public comment on agenda items.

840
01:01:18,440 --> 01:01:25,880
Let me just take a look. Okay.
Um adjournment. Is there anything

841
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:29,000
further that any council member wishes
to bring up or discuss?

842
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:32,960
» No.
>> Okay, seeing none.

843
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:37,880
Um,
I would like to thank everybody who

844
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:40,560
signed on tonight and for the those of
you who expressed your opinions on

845
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:44,440
things.
Um,

846
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:48,000
I I regret that it got a little heated
amongst us, but um,

847
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:52,120
uh, sometimes we agree to disagree and
we have to work it out and uh,

848
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:54,920
and that does take some time
unfortunately.

849
01:01:53,800 --> 01:02:01,320
Um,
our next meeting is on Tuesday,

850
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:05,560
September 8th, 2026. Our two
uh, go-to electronic meetings are over

851
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:09,920
for the summer, so we go back to
in-person meetings at Borough Hall. That

852
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:14,440
meeting on Tuesday, September 8th is at
7:00 at the Borough Hall meeting meeting

853
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:18,600
in the Borough Hall in the meeting
council room council room meeting room.

854
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:22,160
Um,
may I have a motion and a second to

855
01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:25,600
return this meeting, uh,
>> So moved.

856
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:29,320
» Second.
>> Jill and Sergio.

857
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,160
Uh, all in favor?
>> I.

858
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:36,000
» I.
>> Okay, meeting is adjourned and again,

859
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:38,480
thank you everyone for being online
Good night.