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One it's being 5:30.

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I would like to call
this regular council

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meeting for August 24 to order.

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Please, please all rise for
the Pledge of Allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag
of the United States of America

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and to the Republic
for which it stands.

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One nation under
God, indivisible,

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with liberty and
justice for all.

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Please, all remain standing, if
you would for a moment, please.

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I want to take just a
couple of moments here

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and we had a rough day
here in the city of Pekin,

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but our police chief,
Mr. Seth ranney,

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did an outstanding job
protecting our children,

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protecting the community when it
comes to safety, when it comes

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to the police officers,
the men and women

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that are under Chief ranney.

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They are second to none.

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I am so proud to
call him our chief.

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So if we would just have
a moment of silent prayer

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for our police officers, for
our children, for our community,

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and I want to personally say
thank you for keeping us safe.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Please have another prayer when
you go to bed at night and pray

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for our police officers.

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I would like to call Mr.
Kevin Bresnahan to the podium.

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The city last
council meeting, we

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had a proclamation for antique
tractor preservation day,

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along with the city
coin that I had

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presented to him on Saturday.

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Our representative, Travis
Weaver, our County clerk.

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I guess he's a self-made
historian Mr. John

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Ackerman and myself, we
all spoke on behalf of this

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being the start of.

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Hopefully something will come
of it every year as a show.

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But he went to the
Capitol and got this day

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passed as preservation day.

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So I would like to
give Mr. Bresnahan

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just a few minutes to speak
about how it came about.

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And you have passion
and drive for it.

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So the floor is yours.

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Thank you Mary.

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Appreciate that.

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How much time do I have.

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Half hour.

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Pardon me.

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How much time do I have.

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Half hour.

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45 minutes.

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45 minutes.

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Thank you.

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Keep it to that.

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I'll try and keep
it to a minimum,

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but thank you and
thank you, city council

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staff and the public too.

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Thank you.

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I'd like to take time right
now and publicly thank

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Mary and Travis Weaver,
the state representative

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who sponsored this House Bill.

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It's HR 0423 and John
Ackerman, the Tazewell County

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clerk and recorder of deeds.

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All three of these individuals
gave outstanding presentations

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at the first annual antique
tractor preservation

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day that we held out there at
the Pekin park in the livestock

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review building.

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So it was well attended.

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We had 31 big machines.

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I'm going to call that, with
the oldest machine being a 1911.

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Yes, that's what I said.

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1911 rumbly oil pole tractor.

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And the gentleman that brought
that in is a 21-year-old man.

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His name is Elaine
Sauter out of Tremont,

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and he actually gave a little
demonstration with that.

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But that being said, I think the
youngest person besides that,

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we had some younger
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I think 9 and 10 with
their garden tractors.

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And that was the
other thing too.

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We had 19 of those
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So it's a start.

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And I had a couple of
machines out there as well.

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But something fun,
something important,

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but little history on this
House Bill, this HR 0423,

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how this all got
started was I subscribed

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to a magazine called Red Power.

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That's international
tractors, just like I'm

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sporting the shirt and the hat.

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But there was a
gentleman in there

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out in Kansas that
started this movement as

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far as antique tractor
preservation day.

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And the state of Kansas
passed this through,

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making August 22 the day.

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So I called the state
rep, Travis Weaver,

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and I said, hey, Travis, is
there anything on the books,

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the state of Illinois for us.

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And let me get back
with you on that.

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About five days later, he
calls me back and he says,

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there's nothing on the books.

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What do you want to do.

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And I said, I'd like to get
something going on this, please.

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He said, I'll sponsor the bill.

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You can co-sponsor it with me.

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But he said, hang on, this
is going to take some time.

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Well, ladies and gentlemen,
the way government

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works from the time I called him
until we actually got the House

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Bill passed was 14 months.

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So it does take some time,
but it was well worth it.

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Going down there to the.

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When he called
and asked me, that

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was in October of last year,
he said that, hey bresnihan

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the House members want to
hear or your presentation

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and testimony on these
antique tractors.

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And I thought, you've
got to be kidding me.

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How much time do I have.

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Three minutes.

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And when I told my wife
that, she just laughed.

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She says, you can't talk
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under three minutes.

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There's no way.

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So anyhow, long story
short, we get down

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there and just his admin,
our personal assistant,

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that experience.

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I don't know if you've ever
been down there or not before,

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but it was top notch.

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They made sure Mr. President,
go here if you need a drink.

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It's over there.

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But I was the second one in
the hopper there that day.

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And it was a subcommittee of ag.

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And you're standing there before
lawmakers, ladies and gentlemen.

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So there's six Democrats,
six Republicans.

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And I asked them before we
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to make this bipartisan.

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Well, six months later, there
was about 15 seconds of silence.

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And I'm thinking to
myself, Bresnahan,

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you either screwed that
up or you wowed him.

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Well, it was the latter.

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And the Hat Lady there that
as far as that, oversees it.

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She said, well, any questions
for Mr. president han?

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Well, three hands go up.

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And remarkably, I thought that
it was going to be more directed

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towards the history
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but they were
mechanical questions.

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They were asking.

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Well, Kevin, my
tractor is doing this.

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What do I do.

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And I feel those questions after
about 10 minutes and we left.

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But anyhow, on our way back
I got a text from Travis

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and he said Bresnahan,
one of the ladies

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texted him and said
that I crushed it.

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So I mean, I was just
excited with that.

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So that being said, we
got the House Bill passed

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and then the let's see here.

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But I'd like to ask you folks a
show of hands who likes to eat.

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Get your hands up there.

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Get em up.

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Come on, John.

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I know you do.

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Yes you do.

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Nick, I saw your hand go up.

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Good, good.

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So what.

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Think Where are we going
with this breznahan?

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Well, you stop and
think about how we used

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to harvest our food years ago.

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There wasn't a combine
around back in 1837.

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That's when John Deere
invented the moldboard plow.

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We wouldn't see a tractor
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of the century around
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the pivotal point for all this.

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John Deere had actually
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called Waterloo boy.

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That was about 1918, 1920.

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But John Deere, as far
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didn't have a tractor until
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Deere model A, but
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traction engine about 1905.

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So that the turn
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very pivotal and monumental
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work done.

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How we shelled corn back then.

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You wore a glove with,
like, a hook on it.

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And that's how you shelled
your corn, shucked it.

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Imagine doing that today.

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So basically, in 100 years,
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and where we're at now.

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Self-driving combines
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cabs, Hi Fi stereos in them.

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They've got coolers in them.

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Air controlled ride.

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I mean, just fantastic.

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Excuse me.

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Mary had the
privilege on Saturday

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of seeing there was a 1957
Massey Ferguson combine there.

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Ladies and gentlemen, that
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There was nothing covering you.

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I mean, there was no air
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It's just you and God
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That's it.

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And even the rumbling,
the 1911 at least

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had a cab on the thing
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So that's where we were at.

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And that's how far we've come
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years or so, give or take.

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But this transition from
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John Deere invented the
moldboard plow in 1837.

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Like I said that we didn't
see a tractor in 1920.

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But another gentleman
we need to thank,

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Cyrus Hall McCormick as far
as the threshing machine.

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And then again, j.I. case
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What I'd like to read as
far as the proclamation.

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I thought Mary had a
couple good areas in here.

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It says whereas dedicated
collectors restores,

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historical preservationists
invest significant time,

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craftsmanship and resources
into maintaining and restoring

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these iconic machines, ensuring
that our agricultural store

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remains vibrant and accessible.

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And then in the house.

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Bill from Mr. Travis Weaver.

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Antique tractors represent a
vital chapter in our nation's

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agricultural
development and serve

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as symbols of
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and community heritage.

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As far as the future is
concerned, as far as the show

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and going forward, Mary
and I spoke briefly

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about possibly incorporating
this with the Marigold festival,

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which I think we
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but we need to sit down and
work out the details of that

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and maybe have a threshing
demonstration with that Rumley

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and maybe some
other demonstrations

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as far as how we used to make
our grain corn, whatever,

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but anything related to AG.

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But I do thank you again
for this opportunity

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and to come down and speak
to you folks this evening.

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Thank you very much
for that medallion

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and for the proclamation.

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Thank you again.

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I appreciate it very much.

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You're welcome.

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Thank you.

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Madam Clerk, call
the roll, please.

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Good evening.

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Council good evening.

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Evening council member.

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Council Abel I. Council Member.

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Fletcher here.

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Council Member.

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Hilst here.

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Council Member.

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Hochheimer here.

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Council Member.

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Nutter here.

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Mayor Pro Tem Phillips here
and Mayor Burress here.

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Having a quorum, we
will conduct business.

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Chair will now entertain
a motion for the approval

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of the agenda, please.

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Madam Mayor, I move the agenda.

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Be approved as presented.

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Second Motion made by Mr.
Nutter and second, by Mr. hilst.

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Any questions,
comments, or concerns

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of the approval of the agenda.

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Seeing none.

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Council, take your vote, please.

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Motion passes 7 0.

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Chair will now
entertain a motion

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for the approval of the
minutes from August 10, 2026.

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Madam Mayor, I
move that 4.1 city

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council regular meeting minutes
of August 10, 2026 be approved.

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Second Motion made
by Mr. Nutter.

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Now excuse me.

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And second by Mr. Abel.

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Any questions, comments,
or concerns on the minutes.

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Seeing none.

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Council, take your vote, please.

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Motion passes 6 minus
0, with one abstained.

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I believe you were absent, so.

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Yes thank you.

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We have now come
down to public input.

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I want to remind everyone
that you have five minutes.

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Please state your
name for the record.

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And if there is 20 or more.

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Speaking on the same.

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We will have to
limit it to one hour.

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The same subject.

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We will have to
limit it to one hour.

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And once again, I ask that
we have respect in the room.

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Thank you very much.

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Anyone wishing to have
their voice be heard.

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Make sure the mic is on
if I just check that.

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Good evening, Mayor Burress
and Pekin city council members.

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My name is Troy
tarter, and tonight I

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represent Pekin pride soccer
club and our seventh Annual Tony

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folk Memorial classic, held
on May 22 through the 24,

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and a tour sponsorship recipient
in only our seventh year.

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Our 2026 tournament was
another record for our club

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and ultimately
the city of Pekin.

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We hosted 125 teams, which
was an increase of 25 teams

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from 2025 at 100 this past May,
representing 31 different soccer

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clubs across Illinois and Iowa.

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We estimate that over 4,500
guests spent the weekend

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in Pekin eating in
our restaurants,

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buying gas from our
stations, and likely

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making stops in our grocery
stores and retail stores.

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Inevitably, last minute items
that are often forgotten

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on a weekend trip
because of discover Pekin

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tourism and the city
council members,

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we were able to
use our sponsorship

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grant to pay expenses towards
rental of our own Park District

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fields equal to 76% of the award
marketing of our tournament

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equal to 4% Hiring of
athletic training staff at 4%

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and the purchase of awards
for 21 different age divisions

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equal to 16% For
that, I am so grateful

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and wanted to be here tonight to
thank each and every one of you

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in person.

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I wanted to share some
numbers with the council

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regarding our 26 tournament
125 teams as I mentioned.

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Participating a record of 25%
growth from the year before.

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We hosted at two sites here
in Pekin and North Pekin.

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207 total soccer matches
over the weekend.

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31 clubs represented.

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Previous record was set
in 2025 with 27 clubs.

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Over 4,500 families.

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Players and guests
from out of town

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visited Pekin over the weekend.

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Many who stayed in Pekin hotels
as well as other local hotels

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outside of Pekin.

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Most importantly, our
club and tournament

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continue to generate economic
impact to the city of Pekin

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through hotel stays,
restaurant visits and gas

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and retail store traffic.

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Most importantly, as we continue
to grow our tournament each

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year, we simply cannot do
it without discover Pekin

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tourism and Pekin city council.

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As we look forward
to 2027, we 2027.

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We are already planning
to host more teams

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and in fact are looking at how
we can raise funds to purchase

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additional soccer
goals that will

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allow us to add additional
fields to host even more teams.

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I want to close tonight by
sharing an email that I received

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from an attending club director
and Coach with Orion Football

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Club out of Orion, Illinois.

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In case some of you don't
that's up near the Quad Cities.

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Troy, I wanted to thank
you first and foremost

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for a great Rand tournament.

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I must say, many
of my families also

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commented on the
facility layout,

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the cleanliness of the entire
area along with parking.

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Having never played in
this tournament prior

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and with 10 years
of coaching soccer,

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this is one of the
top tournaments we

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have been to in so many ways.

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Obviously, not everyone may have
the same experience as we did,

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but I must say
overall the referees

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were hands down some of the
best we have experienced.

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They were all
polite and took time

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to explain things to
the players, which

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not only helps
development, but encourages

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good physical and ethical play.

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And this is coming
from a team who

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received more yellow
cards than our opponents

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in far too many ways.

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I will definitely be
recommending your tournament

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to our other 12 travel
teams under Orion Football

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Club in all age groups.

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Again, thank you
for a great weekend.

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Dan Crippen, Director
of communication

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and safety and also head coach.

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Again, on behalf of our
families, players, coaches,

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and tournament committee,
I want to reiterate

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my sincere gratitude to Mayor
Burris and each of our city

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council members and
the tourism committee

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for your generous support
of Pekin pride soccer club.

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Thank you.

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Thank you so much.

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What positive news.

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I love hearing it.

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Hello, my name is Ryan and.

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Thank you.

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Try again.

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Hello my name is Ryan and
I spoke at the last August

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10 meeting regarding floc.

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At that meeting on the 10,
the city council, the mayor

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and the police chief all agreed
that they wanted to make sure

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that the council has the best
information available to make

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the floc decision.

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That's a very reasonable
decision because it's

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a very complicated subject.

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And as we've seen on social
media and on the news,

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it's a hot topic.

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So some of our
claims that we came

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on the 10th with
were dismissed, I

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would say a little prematurely.

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So myself and some
other speakers

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are going to discuss some of
those claims that were made

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that I think were
dismissed prematurely

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in a way that could be harmful
towards that decision making.

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At the end of the day,
you are elected officials,

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the public is an outrage.

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And there are organized
groups against floc

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in every major city.

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Peoria has one, Pekin has
one, Bloomington has one.

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They're popping up everywhere.

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And the Court of
public opinions is not

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the final court and final
decision over everything.

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But this is a topic that
is so universally agreed

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upon that both sides
of the political aisle

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can agree that these cameras do
violate rights in some aspect,

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one way or another.

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As you listen to
our statements, I

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want you to know that
everything does come at a cost,

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whether that cost is
from a pending lawsuit,

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from their misuse, or from
the loss of public trust.

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I'm not sure that
Pekin can afford

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that loss of public trust.

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On August 10, when we
spoke last on flock.

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Police Chief Rainey
said when he was

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asked about casual use of the
cameras that, quote, any idea.

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Officers are sitting around
doing searches because we

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want to do something.

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We're not supposed to do.

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There's no time for that.

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They get an alert.

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They take action.

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That's it.

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On average, less than
10% of Pekin PD searches

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are license plate searches.

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The top user for flock and
the Pekin patrol officer is

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an officer who in only 92 days
of flock use, racked up 12,730

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searches of the flock system.

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That's over 130 a day.

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I would not describe that
as particularly appropriate

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use of the flock system.

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Shockingly, his nearly 13,000
searches contained only 105

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license plate searches, so it's
not being used as a license

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plate search system
of his searches,

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almost 10,000 of
them were the search

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term 99 or invest investigative
reports into flocks.

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Databases have revealed
that users frequently

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input short numeric codes and
filler texts, such as 99 invest

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or susp into mandatory
search fields,

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rather than typing a valid case
number or detailed context.

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This allows them to
bypass the safeguards

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built into the system.

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The system requires a reason
for querying tracking data.

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Entering in a shorthand
like 99 allows

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the user to execute a
search without supplying

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a valid, named reason.

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This tactic is used in
flocks stalking cases

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throughout the
country, and has been

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proven to be the search term.

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I have found three examples
in Illinois of flock

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being used to stalk
people or commit

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crimes by police
officers that have

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been convicted for doing so.

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The claim was made at our
last city council meeting

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that the cameras
are not illegal.

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That is a violation
of the law if they

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are being used in that way.

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And this particular
patrol officer very likely

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has violated that law.

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There is evidence that is very
significant that he has been

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reprimanded for violating this.

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This is a very serious problem.

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This is the data showing
that on this chart,

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we have the top 10 users who
are searching 12,000 times

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and making 105 license
plate searches,

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searching for 4,400
times and making only

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150 license plate searches.

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Searching 4,200 times and making
only 210 license plate searches.

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This is not a license
plate search system

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and we are not protecting
the city of Pekin.

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On average, our police officers
are searching more than

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80,000 cameras in the country.

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They're searching
cameras in California.

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They're searching
cameras in Alaska.

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They're searching
cameras everywhere

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throughout the country, every
single time they make a search.

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And it is very rarely
a license plate.

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Thank you.

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OK hello.

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My name is Steve Soderstrom.

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I'm from Morton, Illinois.

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Good evening.

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Thank you.

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I want to talk about
the flock system here.

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I come here with a heavy heart.

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I love Pekin, I have
a lot of friends here.

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We started an endowment that
donates money for graduating

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students in 2005.

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This matter began in a quiet
residential neighborhood

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in Groveland, Illinois.

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It's where families, children,
police officers and Sheriff's

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deputies live near one another.

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We should.

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This should have remained an
ordinary neighborhood traffic

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complaint, but instead appears
to have expanded across

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jurisdictions back into
Pekin using police personnel,

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repeated travel, historic
license plate data and a before

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school traffic stop
to pursue my own

515
00:22:45,830 --> 00:22:49,150
16-year-old son, who's a minor.

516
00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:51,390
I want to be clear
about one thing.

517
00:22:51,390 --> 00:22:54,490
I am not categorically
opposed to flock.

518
00:22:54,490 --> 00:22:58,210
What I'm opposed
to is their misuse.

519
00:22:58,210 --> 00:23:01,310
So I stand alone here tonight.

520
00:23:01,310 --> 00:23:05,050
I'm also opposed to renewing
the flock system here.

521
00:23:05,050 --> 00:23:07,570
Pekin with your vote
without enforceable,

522
00:23:07,570 --> 00:23:10,850
enforceable safeguards
and independent oversight,

523
00:23:10,850 --> 00:23:15,480
which I think Mr.
hilst would agree with.

524
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,200
So today I had to submit
a formal complaint

525
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,660
to your police department, I
signed it, it's downstairs.

526
00:23:22,660 --> 00:23:24,140
I brought a couple copies.

527
00:23:24,140 --> 00:23:26,360
One for you, Mayor,
one for the chief.

528
00:23:26,360 --> 00:23:27,840
And here's why.

529
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,720
This involves flock data
and a Tazewell County case

530
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:33,440
with my son.

531
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:38,080
A Pekin police officer was not
a neutral police investigator

532
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,300
assigned to this matter.

533
00:23:39,300 --> 00:23:42,920
He was an off duty neighbor,
complainant witness,

534
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,520
a listed victim, and an
evidence provider in a Tazewell

535
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,880
County case outside of Pekin.

536
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,680
Third party flock
audit information

537
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:57,320
displays a Pekin police search
conducted on September 2, 2025.

538
00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:03,120
It covered a full 30 day
period with an Illinois filter,

539
00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:07,840
a stated reason reckless
driving which my son did not do.

540
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,160
The public inquiry
reports a potential

541
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:17,260
scope of 90,439 cameras
around the country

542
00:24:17,260 --> 00:24:19,780
on a 16-year-old minor.

543
00:24:19,780 --> 00:24:22,940
OK, that is worrisome.

544
00:24:22,940 --> 00:24:28,820
Across 6475 networks,
they're not even filtering.

545
00:24:28,820 --> 00:24:32,980
OK I'm going to continue
to say the entry displays

546
00:24:32,980 --> 00:24:35,780
no numeric peak and case code.

547
00:24:35,780 --> 00:24:39,940
The abbreviated user, which is
the initial C and the letters m,

548
00:24:39,940 --> 00:24:45,100
T was automatically matched
with a 95% confidence.

549
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:49,140
I did a four year request
to your police department

550
00:24:49,140 --> 00:24:50,360
about 10 months ago.

551
00:24:50,360 --> 00:24:51,640
It was never produced.

552
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,380
And I'm going to get
into that in a minute.

553
00:24:55,380 --> 00:25:01,160
The official reporting law
enforcement was Tazewell County.

554
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:02,380
Brody, Oberly.

555
00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:04,760
He states in his report.

556
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,460
And this is just amazing.

557
00:25:07,460 --> 00:25:12,710
I had previously conducted
a flock inquiry on a car

558
00:25:12,710 --> 00:25:16,590
and discovered a traffic
pattern which shows this miner

559
00:25:16,590 --> 00:25:18,590
typically drives on
North Main Street

560
00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:21,670
every morning around 7:50 AM.

561
00:25:21,670 --> 00:25:24,530
Brody Oberly search
and I did a FOIA.

562
00:25:24,530 --> 00:25:27,430
He searched a one day
search on a Saturday.

563
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:32,150
This is worrisome because he has
no way to know my son's traffic

564
00:25:32,150 --> 00:25:34,630
pattern without being shared.

565
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:38,190
The search from the
Pekin police department.

566
00:25:38,190 --> 00:25:40,050
That was the only other one.

567
00:25:40,050 --> 00:25:44,270
OK, so deputies then positioned
themselves along the route

568
00:25:44,270 --> 00:25:46,350
to school.

569
00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:51,910
The shorter Tazewell
searches presented disclosed.

570
00:25:51,910 --> 00:25:55,790
The repeated morning pattern.

571
00:25:55,790 --> 00:25:58,110
There is not yet proof
that the Pekin search

572
00:25:58,110 --> 00:26:00,990
may have supplied or contributed
to the route information

573
00:26:00,990 --> 00:26:02,750
used to locate my son.

574
00:26:02,750 --> 00:26:06,270
They staked him out in
front of his school.

575
00:26:06,270 --> 00:26:10,360
The Pekin officer in Groveland,
added a fake charge of a 60

576
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:12,520
to 70 mile an hour speed.

577
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,820
Thank God we had
Life360 on my son.

578
00:26:15,820 --> 00:26:17,740
They provided us an affidavit.

579
00:26:17,740 --> 00:26:19,120
We took it to the court.

580
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:23,900
So the Pekin police officer
estimated a speed double.

581
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:24,820
Double the speed.

582
00:26:24,820 --> 00:26:27,800
He's either that bad
at estimating speed

583
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,880
or he has a really interesting
relationship with the truth.

584
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,600
What was the.

585
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:33,100
I'm sorry.

586
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:34,460
You have 30 seconds.

587
00:26:34,460 --> 00:26:36,160
Yeah OK.

588
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,520
My son had a loud exhaust.

589
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,800
This is why he was chased down.

590
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:45,060
So, Pekin, I would ask Chief.

591
00:26:45,060 --> 00:26:50,560
Chief Randy, my FOIA 2025 385.

592
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:52,180
I never got production.

593
00:26:52,180 --> 00:26:54,360
I don't know where that is.

594
00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:58,000
Also, my new one
2026 641 I'm trying

595
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,520
to determine who the officer
is and why they ran this.

596
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,260
I brought you two copies.

597
00:27:04,260 --> 00:27:06,730
Would you like one
Yeah, actually can give

598
00:27:06,730 --> 00:27:08,090
it to our clerk right here.

599
00:27:08,090 --> 00:27:10,630
Nicole make sure that she
has it for the record.

600
00:27:10,630 --> 00:27:13,450
And one for your
chief right here.

601
00:27:13,450 --> 00:27:14,710
You can hand them both to her.

602
00:27:14,710 --> 00:27:16,650
She'll make sure he gets it.

603
00:27:16,650 --> 00:27:17,750
Thank you so much.

604
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:20,530
Thank you.

605
00:27:20,530 --> 00:27:26,930
Before I have someone
come up to the podium,

606
00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:28,270
we all received a copy.

607
00:27:28,270 --> 00:27:31,270
I just got it at fourish
4:30, something like that.

608
00:27:31,270 --> 00:27:33,030
I wasn't sure
exactly at the time.

609
00:27:33,030 --> 00:27:35,530
I don't know that
it's printed out here.

610
00:27:35,530 --> 00:27:38,230
But anyway, a realtor,
a local realtor,

611
00:27:38,230 --> 00:27:42,410
Mr. Gary Allen, most of you in
the room, if you're from Pekin,

612
00:27:42,410 --> 00:27:43,370
know him.

613
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:46,930
And he had previously
sent us all an email

614
00:27:46,930 --> 00:27:52,570
that he was against
flock with studying

615
00:27:52,570 --> 00:27:55,190
and doing his due diligence.

616
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:59,670
I know some of you hate that
people say due diligence,

617
00:27:59,670 --> 00:28:06,420
but he did his own study and
he is for your flock cameras

618
00:28:06,420 --> 00:28:07,860
in the city of Pekin.

619
00:28:07,860 --> 00:28:09,920
It's a long letter, so
I'm not going to read it,

620
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,880
but I am going to hand it
over to our County clerk.

621
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,640
So she has or excuse
me, city clerk.

622
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:18,300
So she has it for
our record as well.

623
00:28:18,300 --> 00:28:18,980
You have a copy.

624
00:28:18,980 --> 00:28:19,480
All right.

625
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,360
She has a copy.

626
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:21,640
So all right.

627
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,540
I wanted you to know that Mr.
Gary Allen had written a letter.

628
00:28:25,540 --> 00:28:27,380
Anyone else wishing
to have their voice

629
00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:29,720
be heard from the audience.

630
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:42,580


631
00:28:42,580 --> 00:28:43,680
Hi hello.

632
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,940
Zoe Carter.

633
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:49,060
First off, I kind of want to say
something positive real quick.

634
00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:51,960
This last weekend, on
Saturday, Saturday,

635
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,020
August 22, we had the second
annual Pekin Pride Festival

636
00:28:56,020 --> 00:28:57,580
right here in Pekin, Illinois.

637
00:28:57,580 --> 00:28:59,960
It was at the mineral Springs
Park right on the lagoon,

638
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:03,600
and this was by far one of
the best attended events

639
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,880
that we have had so far.

640
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,960
We had nearly 1,000
attendees at the park coming

641
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,120
out and being proud and out.

642
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,280
We had people coming from
Texas, from Oklahoma.

643
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,140
We had over 30 vendors.

644
00:29:16,140 --> 00:29:19,560
We had so much joy and
happiness in that park.

645
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,640
And I am just so excited
that this is something

646
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:25,000
we've been able to do, that so
many people in the community

647
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:29,400
have been able to get into,
and that hopefully from here

648
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,880
on out, it just gets nothing but
bigger and bigger and bigger.

649
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,360
It was just an amazing
time and I just

650
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,440
want to come out and say that.

651
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,220
Just some good news.

652
00:29:38,220 --> 00:29:40,280
It was great.

653
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:44,060
Now into the nitty gritty here.

654
00:29:44,060 --> 00:29:46,680


655
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,340
Last time we were here,
we had some conversations.

656
00:29:50,340 --> 00:29:51,740
You ever heard from a
couple other people.

657
00:29:51,740 --> 00:29:56,040
So I'm going to be
very brief with this

658
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:01,610
when it comes to the law, when
it comes to the claims that the.

659
00:30:01,610 --> 00:30:03,890
Department is
communicating or not

660
00:30:03,890 --> 00:30:08,610
communicating with
federal agents

661
00:30:08,610 --> 00:30:13,130
last meeting Mr. Nutter
said, or asked the chief,

662
00:30:13,130 --> 00:30:15,130
do alerts come from
the feds, the state

663
00:30:15,130 --> 00:30:17,210
or other municipalities.

664
00:30:17,210 --> 00:30:18,870
How are alerts put
into that system.

665
00:30:18,870 --> 00:30:22,850
For knowledge purposes and
public for the public myself,

666
00:30:22,850 --> 00:30:23,590
the chief said.

667
00:30:23,590 --> 00:30:25,070
They do come from
several different places.

668
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:26,990
The alerts do, but not feds.

669
00:30:26,990 --> 00:30:31,370


670
00:30:31,370 --> 00:30:37,290
I have a question on why
immigration and Customs

671
00:30:37,290 --> 00:30:41,410
Enforcement from Kyle,
Texas Police Department

672
00:30:41,410 --> 00:30:47,130
was asking for information for
theft offenses here in Pekin.

673
00:30:47,130 --> 00:30:48,430
That's not their job.

674
00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:52,930
Their job is immigration and
Customs Enforcement, not theft.

675
00:30:52,930 --> 00:30:55,210
So why is the
Department from Texas

676
00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:57,450
asking for information
on individuals

677
00:30:57,450 --> 00:31:04,100
here year on stuff that's
not even their job to do.

678
00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:07,300
I'm really confused
on why they would

679
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:11,620
do that, why that's acceptable.

680
00:31:11,620 --> 00:31:17,860
We also have from the Dea,
from Washington State,

681
00:31:17,860 --> 00:31:21,300
from Texas, from
here in Illinois, we

682
00:31:21,300 --> 00:31:26,000
have agency and different
other organizations,

683
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,180
the FBI reaching out and asking
for information for people

684
00:31:30,180 --> 00:31:34,220
here in the city, outside of
Illinois, from outside of Pekin.

685
00:31:34,220 --> 00:31:34,960
Why is that.

686
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,960
Why is that happening.

687
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,540


688
00:31:39,540 --> 00:31:42,020
The last thing I
want to read here

689
00:31:42,020 --> 00:31:51,000
is state Illinois State law ILCs
805, Section 15, subsection h,

690
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,300
unless presented with a
federal criminal warrant

691
00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:56,630
or otherwise required by federal
law, a law enforcement law

692
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:58,270
enforcement agency
or official may not

693
00:31:58,270 --> 00:32:00,510
participate, support or
assist in any capacity

694
00:32:00,510 --> 00:32:02,430
with an immigration agents.

695
00:32:02,430 --> 00:32:06,870
Immigration agents,
not immigration agency.

696
00:32:06,870 --> 00:32:08,990
Enforcement operations,
including any collateral

697
00:32:08,990 --> 00:32:10,510
assistance, such as
coordinating the arrest

698
00:32:10,510 --> 00:32:12,570
in the courthouse or
other public facility,

699
00:32:12,570 --> 00:32:14,510
providing the use
of any equipment.

700
00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:17,110
Transporting individuals, or
establishing a security officer

701
00:32:17,110 --> 00:32:19,310
or traffic perimeter
surrounding such operations

702
00:32:19,310 --> 00:32:21,630
or any other on site support.

703
00:32:21,630 --> 00:32:22,430
That's one.

704
00:32:22,430 --> 00:32:25,970
Two give any immigration agent
access, including by telephone,

705
00:32:25,970 --> 00:32:28,250
to any individual who is
in that agency's custody.

706
00:32:28,250 --> 00:32:29,690
Custody three.

707
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:32,970
Transfer any person
into immigration agents.

708
00:32:32,970 --> 00:32:35,050
Custody for permit.

709
00:32:35,050 --> 00:32:35,970
Immigration agents.

710
00:32:35,970 --> 00:32:40,290
Use of agency facilities or
equipment, including any agency.

711
00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:43,270
Electronic databases not
available to the public

712
00:32:43,270 --> 00:32:45,550
for investigative interviews
or other investigative or

713
00:32:45,550 --> 00:32:49,910
immigration
enforcement purposes 5

714
00:32:49,910 --> 00:32:53,430
enter into, enter into, or
maintain any agreement regarding

715
00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:55,920
direct access to any
electronic database

716
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,360
or other data sharing
platform maintained by any law

717
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,520
enforcement agency, otherwise
provided such direct access

718
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,280
to US Immigration and Customs
enforcement's United States

719
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,320
customs and Border Protection,
or any other federal entity

720
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,800
enforcing immigration
violations.

721
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,240
Providing information
in response

722
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,920
to any seconds agents
inquiry or request

723
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,560
for information
regarding any individual

724
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,140
or in the agency's custody.

725
00:33:18,140 --> 00:33:20,800


726
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,560
That's a lot of words.

727
00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:29,440
But what I'm saying here is that
if the truth was the truth, what

728
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,560
I am seeing here
is a direct it's

729
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:35,280
against the law in
the state, and it

730
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,600
is a situation
that I'm not going

731
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,060
to be doing anything about it.

732
00:33:39,060 --> 00:33:43,060
But the attorney general
could come back on the city.

733
00:33:43,060 --> 00:33:45,640
So we just need to be careful.

734
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:46,260
Thank you.

735
00:33:46,260 --> 00:33:53,970


736
00:33:53,970 --> 00:33:56,150
Anyone else wishing to
have their voice be heard.

737
00:33:56,150 --> 00:33:57,550
Oh, please.

738
00:33:57,550 --> 00:33:58,610
Go ahead.

739
00:33:58,610 --> 00:34:01,090
Do your thing, Chris.

740
00:34:01,090 --> 00:34:02,230
No fighting.

741
00:34:02,230 --> 00:34:05,210


742
00:34:05,210 --> 00:34:07,470
My name is Chris, and
I am not an attorney.

743
00:34:07,470 --> 00:34:09,770
And I'm not giving legal advice.

744
00:34:09,770 --> 00:34:14,070
The game for Alpers changed
on June 29 of this year,

745
00:34:14,070 --> 00:34:17,770
with the Supreme Court ruling in
chatrai versus the United States

746
00:34:17,770 --> 00:34:20,929
ruling, which was a
Fourth Amendment phone

747
00:34:20,929 --> 00:34:24,130
location data access case.

748
00:34:24,130 --> 00:34:26,929
Paraphrasing the
ruling, individuals

749
00:34:26,929 --> 00:34:29,610
maintain a reasonable
expectation of privacy

750
00:34:29,610 --> 00:34:31,889
in their digital
location history,

751
00:34:31,889 --> 00:34:35,330
even when held by a
third party tech company.

752
00:34:35,330 --> 00:34:38,690
Rejecting the government's
argument that sharing data

753
00:34:38,690 --> 00:34:42,570
with a third party company
removes constitutional privacy

754
00:34:42,570 --> 00:34:43,850
protections.

755
00:34:43,850 --> 00:34:48,130
I'd like to read a
quote from the ruling.

756
00:34:48,130 --> 00:34:51,469
Whether an expectation of
privacy counts as legitimate

757
00:34:51,469 --> 00:34:54,850
is less the result of any
fixed set of rules than of.

758
00:34:54,850 --> 00:34:58,190
Guideposts stretching back
to the Fourth Amendment's

759
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:59,590
beginnings.

760
00:34:59,590 --> 00:35:02,630
From the founding
onward, we have explained

761
00:35:02,630 --> 00:35:06,230
the Fourth Amendment has sought
to secure the privacies of life

762
00:35:06,230 --> 00:35:10,110
against the exercise
of arbitrary power.

763
00:35:10,110 --> 00:35:13,510
So too we have recognized and
repeatedly that the Amendment

764
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:18,230
was designed to place
obstacles in the way of a two

765
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:21,670
permeating police surveillance.

766
00:35:21,670 --> 00:35:24,730
Whatever the form of
an attempted incursion,

767
00:35:24,730 --> 00:35:28,550
the Fourth Amendment protects
Americans long held conviction

768
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:30,670
that no government
official should have

769
00:35:30,670 --> 00:35:33,110
free access to the
most closely kept

770
00:35:33,110 --> 00:35:36,790
aspects of their lives unquote.

771
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:41,270
I did a Google search for
how can city council members

772
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:44,430
lose qualified immunity.

773
00:35:44,430 --> 00:35:48,630
The result was that city council
members lose qualified immunity

774
00:35:48,630 --> 00:35:52,280
community or face personal civil
liability when their conduct

775
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,960
violates a clearly
established statutory

776
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,640
or constitutional right that
a reasonable person would

777
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,120
have known.

778
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,600
A quote from the Institute
for Justice website

779
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,340
reads, quote, under
qualified immunity,

780
00:36:06,340 --> 00:36:09,080
government workers can only be
held accountable for violating

781
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:09,860
someone's rights.

782
00:36:09,860 --> 00:36:14,240
If a court has ruled previously
ruled that it was clearly

783
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:16,160
established those
precise actions

784
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:19,640
were unconstitutional unquote.

785
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,280
A no vote on Alpers this evening
ensures the qualified immunity

786
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,200
and Fourth Amendment
questions won't need to be

787
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,200
litigated by the city of Pekin.

788
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:29,900
Thank you.

789
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:33,680


790
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:34,180
Thank you.

791
00:36:34,180 --> 00:36:38,040


792
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,480
Greg Hansen.

793
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,420
Sorry, I read I'm OCD.

794
00:36:42,420 --> 00:36:44,440
I don't want to lose
track of anything,

795
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,970
but I will start out by saying
great news on that soccer

796
00:36:46,970 --> 00:36:49,250
tournament yesterday I
donated to the hockey team

797
00:36:49,250 --> 00:36:50,630
because I'm a big hockey guy.

798
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:52,610
I love seeing that
kind of thing here.

799
00:36:52,610 --> 00:36:55,430
So anyway, Mayor and
members of the Council,

800
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:58,230
you've heard several different
concerns tonight and last week,

801
00:36:58,230 --> 00:37:00,210
and I'm not going to repeat
the arguments the people

802
00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:02,050
before me have already made.

803
00:37:02,050 --> 00:37:04,170
Instead, I want to close
by explaining something

804
00:37:04,170 --> 00:37:06,250
about the technology itself.

805
00:37:06,250 --> 00:37:08,010
There is one thing
about my background

806
00:37:08,010 --> 00:37:10,690
I haven't mentioned
during these discussions

807
00:37:10,690 --> 00:37:13,010
I install flock cameras.

808
00:37:13,010 --> 00:37:15,510
I physically put these
systems in the field.

809
00:37:15,510 --> 00:37:18,730
I've done site surveys, I've
done repairs and replacements,

810
00:37:18,730 --> 00:37:21,170
and I've installed the
Falcons that Pekin uses

811
00:37:21,170 --> 00:37:23,930
and the piccards, which
are the next hierarchy.

812
00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:26,690
Both models use extensive AI.

813
00:37:26,690 --> 00:37:28,790
Now that doesn't make
me a flock engineer,

814
00:37:28,790 --> 00:37:32,170
and I won't pretend to know
exactly which software options

815
00:37:32,170 --> 00:37:34,610
Pekin is enabled,
but having installed

816
00:37:34,610 --> 00:37:36,730
them gives me a different
perspective on what

817
00:37:36,730 --> 00:37:38,530
we're actually talking about.

818
00:37:38,530 --> 00:37:40,210
And the first thing I
want you to understand

819
00:37:40,210 --> 00:37:43,210
is this the camera
isn't really the issue.

820
00:37:43,210 --> 00:37:45,380
The camera is the
collection point.

821
00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:47,860
It photographs vehicles
and sends that information

822
00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:49,220
into a flock system.

823
00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:53,020
The real power is what happens
to that information afterward.

824
00:37:53,020 --> 00:37:55,020
That's where AI comes in.

825
00:37:55,020 --> 00:37:57,380
At the last meeting,
when council asked Chief

826
00:37:57,380 --> 00:37:59,380
Raney specifically
about AI, he was

827
00:37:59,380 --> 00:38:00,800
very careful with his answer.

828
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,140
He said, I don't
want to mistake,

829
00:38:03,140 --> 00:38:06,060
excuse me, misspeak on
the AI side of things.

830
00:38:06,060 --> 00:38:08,340
I respect somebody saying
they don't want to claim

831
00:38:08,340 --> 00:38:10,140
knowledge they may not have.

832
00:38:10,140 --> 00:38:13,020
But I think that statement
should matter to the council

833
00:38:13,020 --> 00:38:14,820
because you're being
asked to renew an AI

834
00:38:14,820 --> 00:38:16,580
powered surveillance system.

835
00:38:16,580 --> 00:38:17,980
And I'm not
convinced you've ever

836
00:38:17,980 --> 00:38:20,460
been given a complete
explanation of what that system

837
00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:22,260
is capable of doing.

838
00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:24,680
The chief also told you
how Pekin searches it.

839
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,100
He said we put in a vehicle
description or a license plate.

840
00:38:29,100 --> 00:38:30,820
That distinction matters.

841
00:38:30,820 --> 00:38:34,540
This isn't simply a camera
reading ABC one 2, 3 and telling

842
00:38:34,540 --> 00:38:37,660
police where ABC one
2, three was seen.

843
00:38:37,660 --> 00:38:40,640
Flash uses machine learning
to analyze vehicles.

844
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,970
Its system can categorize
vehicles by things make, model,

845
00:38:43,970 --> 00:38:47,590
color and body type, and
flock advertises the ability

846
00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:49,230
to search
characteristics even when

847
00:38:49,230 --> 00:38:52,190
there isn't a readable,
readable license plate.

848
00:38:52,190 --> 00:38:54,390
Its current platform
goes further.

849
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:57,430
Flock now advertises AI
powered search and alerts

850
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:59,110
using ordinary language.

851
00:38:59,110 --> 00:39:00,830
An investigator can
describe something

852
00:39:00,830 --> 00:39:03,410
like a dark SUV with
rear bumper damage,

853
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:05,190
and the software can
search available vehicle

854
00:39:05,190 --> 00:39:07,070
evidence looking for matches.

855
00:39:07,070 --> 00:39:08,890
Again, I want to be precise.

856
00:39:08,890 --> 00:39:12,730
I am not claiming Pekin has
every AI feature flock offers,

857
00:39:12,730 --> 00:39:13,750
I don't know.

858
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:15,230
But after all these
meetings, does

859
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:18,030
the council know
which AI capabilities

860
00:39:18,030 --> 00:39:19,910
does Pekin have enabled today.

861
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:21,410
Which ones are disabled.

862
00:39:21,410 --> 00:39:23,790
Which ones can be
enabled administratively?

863
00:39:23,790 --> 00:39:27,410
When flock updates its software
or introduces a new capability,

864
00:39:27,410 --> 00:39:29,710
does that come back
before this council,

865
00:39:29,710 --> 00:39:31,550
or can the capabilities
of the system

866
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:34,590
change while the contract
remains the same.

867
00:39:34,590 --> 00:39:36,550
You've already heard
what Pekin zone records

868
00:39:36,550 --> 00:39:38,950
obtained through FOIA
reveal about searches

869
00:39:38,950 --> 00:39:40,450
conducted in the system.

870
00:39:40,450 --> 00:39:42,510
I'm not going to
repeat that evidence.

871
00:39:42,510 --> 00:39:44,810
You've all heard it,
but it illustrates

872
00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:48,210
exactly why the difference
between policy and capability

873
00:39:48,210 --> 00:39:49,170
matters.

874
00:39:49,170 --> 00:39:51,490
At the last meeting, you were
told there was really no way

875
00:39:51,490 --> 00:39:53,050
to fish through the system.

876
00:39:53,050 --> 00:39:55,370
Tonight, you've seen the city's
own records concerning how

877
00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:57,050
it has actually been searched.

878
00:39:57,050 --> 00:39:59,330
So I would ask you to stop
looking at this decision

879
00:39:59,330 --> 00:40:00,850
as a question of
whether you trust

880
00:40:00,850 --> 00:40:02,670
the people currently using it.

881
00:40:02,670 --> 00:40:04,950
This isn't about whether
we trust chief rayney.

882
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:05,890
We do.

883
00:40:05,890 --> 00:40:08,250
Chief rayney will
not always be chief.

884
00:40:08,250 --> 00:40:11,130
You will not always be
sitting on this council

885
00:40:11,130 --> 00:40:13,010
and I certainly won't
always be the annoying

886
00:40:13,010 --> 00:40:14,970
guy standing at this podium.

887
00:40:14,970 --> 00:40:17,490
But safeguards have
to survive, all of us.

888
00:40:17,490 --> 00:40:19,790
Flock isn't 54 cameras.

889
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:23,090
It's an evolving,
searchable, AI powered

890
00:40:23,090 --> 00:40:26,730
network that happens to have
54 collection points in Pekin.

891
00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:29,370
And that's the decision
before you tonight.

892
00:40:29,370 --> 00:40:32,190
Maybe there are legitimate
law enforcement benefits.

893
00:40:32,190 --> 00:40:33,430
Nobody's standing here.

894
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:34,870
Has to deny that.

895
00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:36,610
But usefulness
does not eliminate

896
00:40:36,610 --> 00:40:38,250
the need for oversight.

897
00:40:38,250 --> 00:40:39,920
And after everything
you've heard,

898
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:41,720
I think one thing
should be clear.

899
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:43,660
There are still questions
about this system that

900
00:40:43,660 --> 00:40:45,380
this council cannot answer.

901
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:49,080
You don't have to decide tonight
that flock is bad technology.

902
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:50,500
You only have to
decide whether you

903
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:52,460
know enough to commit
the citizens of Pekin

904
00:40:52,460 --> 00:40:54,100
to it for another year.

905
00:40:54,100 --> 00:40:57,260
If you don't know exactly what
it can do, exactly how it's been

906
00:40:57,260 --> 00:41:00,260
used, exactly who can
access it, and exactly

907
00:41:00,260 --> 00:41:02,780
what safeguards govern it,
then renewing it tonight

908
00:41:02,780 --> 00:41:04,000
isn't caution.

909
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,560
It's signing first and
asking questions later.

910
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:07,640
You've heard the evidence.

911
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:08,840
You've seen the records.

912
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,580
Now you have the
opportunity to require

913
00:41:10,580 --> 00:41:13,280
those answers before giving
the system another contract.

914
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:15,500
I respectfully ask
you to vote no.

915
00:41:15,500 --> 00:41:17,560
With my last 30 seconds,
I just want to say,

916
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,380
when I put this group together,
it was because I had questions

917
00:41:20,380 --> 00:41:22,420
about how flock was being used.

918
00:41:22,420 --> 00:41:25,260
I never expected this many
people to jump on board

919
00:41:25,260 --> 00:41:27,300
and come with all
this information.

920
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:28,960
I don't know how
you're going to vote.

921
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,660
I know funds deposited
are hard to say no to

922
00:41:31,660 --> 00:41:36,060
and I hope that the questions
that we inspired you guys to ask

923
00:41:36,060 --> 00:41:38,570
last week are still
ringing in your heads,

924
00:41:38,570 --> 00:41:40,590
and you'll make the
right decision tonight.

925
00:41:40,590 --> 00:41:41,770
Thank you very much.

926
00:41:41,770 --> 00:41:52,110


927
00:41:52,110 --> 00:41:53,830
Thank you.

928
00:41:53,830 --> 00:41:54,490
Good evening.

929
00:41:54,490 --> 00:41:55,570
My name is Charles.

930
00:41:55,570 --> 00:41:57,950
I'm from Peoria.

931
00:41:57,950 --> 00:42:01,690
I'm a professional software
engineer of more than 15 years,

932
00:42:01,690 --> 00:42:03,470
and I would like to
speak on the topic

933
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:06,950
of flock cameras inaccuracies.

934
00:42:06,950 --> 00:42:10,510
At the last city council
meeting, the chief said.

935
00:42:10,510 --> 00:42:12,110
So I know that there
was some information

936
00:42:12,110 --> 00:42:13,810
earlier about misreads.

937
00:42:13,810 --> 00:42:14,610
That is a real thing.

938
00:42:14,610 --> 00:42:17,670
Misreads happen, but it is
the officer's responsibility

939
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:20,470
to verify that information.

940
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:22,890
I'm thankful that chief Rainey
admitted this shortcoming.

941
00:42:22,890 --> 00:42:26,110
However, he has downplayed
the severity of the issue.

942
00:42:26,110 --> 00:42:29,030
Studies have shown somewhere
between 40% and 70%

943
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:32,710
of license plate identifications
done by flock are misreads.

944
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:34,310
That is worse than
a coin toss chance

945
00:42:34,310 --> 00:42:36,400
that it is correctly
scanning the plate.

946
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,160
These misreads have resulted in
people being falsely arrested

947
00:42:39,160 --> 00:42:42,000
throughout the country, and
this puts both the Pekin

948
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:43,720
police department
and Pekin itself

949
00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:45,960
at risk of legal repercussions.

950
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:47,940
This is not a
hypothetical problem.

951
00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:50,640
It's happening all over
the country every day.

952
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,260
We have a number
of examples here.

953
00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:55,800
I'll read a few just
to highlight things.

954
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,360
In Auburn, Washington,
July 2026, Auburn police

955
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,860
used flock cameras to track
down a shooting suspect,

956
00:43:01,860 --> 00:43:04,880
but they arrested the wrong man.

957
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,080
In Volusia County,
Florida, April 2026.

958
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,800
Based on a flock
capture, officers

959
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,520
mistook an innocent driver's car
for one that was at the scene

960
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:13,620
of a deadly accident.

961
00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:17,400
The driver was jailed
for 13 days as a result.

962
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:22,300
San Diego, California, November
2025 based on a flock capture,

963
00:43:22,300 --> 00:43:24,000
officers mistook an
innocent driver's

964
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,160
car for one that
was at the scene

965
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,760
of an attempted carjacking.

966
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:30,160
The driver was jailed
for nearly one month.

967
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,650
Lafayette, Indiana, July 2024.

968
00:43:33,650 --> 00:43:35,210
Officers detained
an innocent man

969
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:40,490
at gunpoint after a flock camera
misread his license plate.

970
00:43:40,490 --> 00:43:43,930
I will also speak on the
topic of racial profiling

971
00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:47,610
with flock at the last meeting.

972
00:43:47,610 --> 00:43:50,450
Manager Dorsey said a comment
was made about Evanston

973
00:43:50,450 --> 00:43:57,270
and 82% of flock
are incidents of.

974
00:43:57,270 --> 00:43:59,090
I'm not quite clear
on the wording

975
00:43:59,090 --> 00:44:03,630
here in Oak Park was related
to racist traffic stops.

976
00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:06,970


977
00:44:06,970 --> 00:44:09,610
Police are required to do
stop cards on every traffic

978
00:44:09,610 --> 00:44:10,270
stop they make.

979
00:44:10,270 --> 00:44:11,070
They're required to.

980
00:44:11,070 --> 00:44:11,910
I'll paraphrase a little.

981
00:44:11,910 --> 00:44:13,650
They're required to fill
out these stop cards long

982
00:44:13,650 --> 00:44:16,010
before flock was even
considered a tool,

983
00:44:16,010 --> 00:44:18,363
because that's been the
ongoing allegation out there.

984
00:44:18,363 --> 00:44:19,430
So I'm not saying they're wrong.

985
00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:20,450
I never say never.

986
00:44:20,450 --> 00:44:22,570
I'm suspect on the 82% of that.

987
00:44:22,570 --> 00:44:24,570
And I would like to compare
that to what they have to submit

988
00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:26,210
to the state of Illinois
and those traffic

989
00:44:26,210 --> 00:44:29,010
stop cards end quote.

990
00:44:29,010 --> 00:44:32,120
According to the journalists at
freedom to thrive in Oak park,

991
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:32,720
Illinois.

992
00:44:32,720 --> 00:44:36,780


993
00:44:36,780 --> 00:44:41,180
During the Illinois traffic
stop, study for 2022

994
00:44:41,180 --> 00:44:44,220
reported that 53% of drivers
stopped by Oak Park police

995
00:44:44,220 --> 00:44:46,620
and traffic stops were Black.

996
00:44:46,620 --> 00:44:48,380
During a 10 month
study following

997
00:44:48,380 --> 00:44:50,980
the install of flock
cameras, that number

998
00:44:50,980 --> 00:44:52,700
had risen drastically.

999
00:44:52,700 --> 00:44:55,140
84% of drivers stopped
by Oak Park police

1000
00:44:55,140 --> 00:44:57,500
in a flock based
traffic stop were Black.

1001
00:44:57,500 --> 00:45:01,660
Black residents comprise only
19% of oak park's population.

1002
00:45:01,660 --> 00:45:03,520
We have a chart
to visualize that.

1003
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:08,060


1004
00:45:08,060 --> 00:45:13,060
On the chart, purple
markers indicate.

1005
00:45:13,060 --> 00:45:16,000
Stops that were
of Black drivers.

1006
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:16,800
Is that correct.

1007
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:19,980


1008
00:45:19,980 --> 00:45:22,360
And keep in mind, only
19% of the city is black,

1009
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,300
so the purple ones make up.

1010
00:45:24,300 --> 00:45:26,500
I think it's the
82 or 84% number

1011
00:45:26,500 --> 00:45:27,800
we were talking about here.

1012
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:31,200


1013
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:32,940
The discrimination
does not end there.

1014
00:45:32,940 --> 00:45:34,400
Police departments
throughout the country

1015
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:36,440
have been found using
racial slurs to search

1016
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,440
for people in the flock system.

1017
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,040
In Illinois, we have found
at least 130 examples

1018
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:43,160
of anti-romani slurs alone.

1019
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,520
This is a clear sign that
flock can and is being used

1020
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:48,400
in a discriminatory manner.

1021
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:53,120
With my last minute, I also
want to speak informally

1022
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,980
in my experience as
a software engineer,

1023
00:45:54,980 --> 00:45:57,360
what Greg said is accurate.

1024
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:00,480
My big issue with the flock,
to put it in an elevator pitch

1025
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,080
is and we'll have
the same problem

1026
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,800
with axon and similar systems.

1027
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,560
They are marketed to the city
and the police department

1028
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:13,440
as if this is a thing
you buy and you own it,

1029
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,900
and then the citizens trust you.

1030
00:46:15,900 --> 00:46:18,600
Therefore they must
trust the cameras.

1031
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,340
But that's not
actually how they work.

1032
00:46:20,340 --> 00:46:22,640
It is a nationwide
network I believe, more

1033
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,970
than 100,000 cameras, 130,000.

1034
00:46:26,970 --> 00:46:30,570
And the police
don't control them.

1035
00:46:30,570 --> 00:46:33,650
Any appearance of the
police controlling them.

1036
00:46:33,650 --> 00:46:34,730
Thank you.

1037
00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:37,910
Is the police ask the flock
company to do something.

1038
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:39,330
Flock says they did it.

1039
00:46:39,330 --> 00:46:41,710
And then it appears as if
the police control them.

1040
00:46:41,710 --> 00:46:43,610
But actually flock
controls them.

1041
00:46:43,610 --> 00:46:46,870
They're not controlled
locally and personally.

1042
00:46:46,870 --> 00:46:50,730
For me and a couple people
I've spoken to one compromise

1043
00:46:50,730 --> 00:46:51,950
I would feel a lot better about.

1044
00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:53,910
And I'm going to propose
this in Peoria too,

1045
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:56,810
is that they should
just be offline.

1046
00:46:56,810 --> 00:46:58,610
Like if you have a
dash Cam with an SD

1047
00:46:58,610 --> 00:47:00,090
card and no cell
connection, it should

1048
00:47:00,090 --> 00:47:01,430
just be completely offline.

1049
00:47:01,430 --> 00:47:01,990
Thank you.

1050
00:47:01,990 --> 00:47:09,370


1051
00:47:09,370 --> 00:47:12,050
Hello, my name is
Sunny, I am from manito

1052
00:47:12,050 --> 00:47:15,750
and I am speaking on the behalf
of my loved ones in Pekin.

1053
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:18,450
Here there were a
lot of claims made

1054
00:47:18,450 --> 00:47:20,410
at the last council meeting.

1055
00:47:20,410 --> 00:47:24,350
One about one hour and 37
minutes into the whole meeting,

1056
00:47:24,350 --> 00:47:26,060
manager Darcy said.

1057
00:47:26,060 --> 00:47:28,280
According to phlox
published information,

1058
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,880
the system does not
use facial recognition.

1059
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:32,640
A few seconds earlier,
a police chief,

1060
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,740
Rainey, said flock is
an automated license

1061
00:47:34,740 --> 00:47:36,140
plate reader system.

1062
00:47:36,140 --> 00:47:39,440
It captures information
associated with vehicles,

1063
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:41,780
including the license
plate, certain vehicle

1064
00:47:41,780 --> 00:47:44,260
characteristics, and the
date, time, and location

1065
00:47:44,260 --> 00:47:46,980
of the observation.

1066
00:47:46,980 --> 00:47:51,680
According to the page 19 of
the flock system patent in use,

1067
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,820
the cameras do, in fact,
have face recognition.

1068
00:47:54,820 --> 00:47:56,300
They also state
that flock cameras

1069
00:47:56,300 --> 00:47:58,940
are designed specifically
to identify people.

1070
00:47:58,940 --> 00:48:01,180
Some of the things the flock
system is designed to do

1071
00:48:01,180 --> 00:48:03,520
include identifying
the face of a driver,

1072
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,800
identifying clothing,
determining weight,

1073
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,020
height, gender, and race.

1074
00:48:08,020 --> 00:48:10,880
Even if the Department itself
is not using this data,

1075
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:12,220
flock itself is.

1076
00:48:12,220 --> 00:48:14,440
This data is saved
and sent overseas,

1077
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,740
where data laws are less
strict in the Philippines

1078
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:18,860
to train their AI models.

1079
00:48:18,860 --> 00:48:20,540
I'm going to read a
bit from the patents

1080
00:48:20,540 --> 00:48:24,070
themselves here, but humor me
because their patents are wordy.

1081
00:48:24,070 --> 00:48:26,250
Now, with the face
recognition data points,

1082
00:48:26,250 --> 00:48:28,270
the investigators
may be able to query

1083
00:48:28,270 --> 00:48:33,570
the dsoc system for any
footage captured by one or two.

1084
00:48:33,570 --> 00:48:36,870
Having a person with matching
face recognition data points.

1085
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:38,530
Emphasis on that last part.

1086
00:48:38,530 --> 00:48:42,870
These cameras match face
recognition in their data

1087
00:48:42,870 --> 00:48:45,790
and further in their patent
they list with an object

1088
00:48:45,790 --> 00:48:47,730
identified in the image frame.

1089
00:48:47,730 --> 00:48:49,990
The object detection
module leverages

1090
00:48:49,990 --> 00:48:54,510
a cascade of neural networks to
identify aspects of the object.

1091
00:48:54,510 --> 00:48:57,430
They even give an example,
if the object class

1092
00:48:57,430 --> 00:49:00,170
of the identified object
is that of a human being,

1093
00:49:00,170 --> 00:49:04,470
then the object detection module
may further analyze the image

1094
00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:07,590
using a neural network
module configured to identify

1095
00:49:07,590 --> 00:49:11,070
different classes of people
male, female, race, et cetera

1096
00:49:11,070 --> 00:49:13,790
subsequently, with aspects
of the person identified,

1097
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:16,950
the object detection module may
leverage other more detailed

1098
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:21,210
neural networks to further
identify aspects of the person,

1099
00:49:21,210 --> 00:49:23,680
such as but not limited
to a neural network

1100
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,460
for identifying clothing types
like jackets, pants, shorts,

1101
00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:29,560
hats, et cetera,
and a neural network

1102
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,920
for gauging height and weight.

1103
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,760
Now, if I'm going
to be honest, that

1104
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,940
doesn't sound like what
was said last meeting,

1105
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:37,460
but that was in the
patents themselves.

1106
00:49:37,460 --> 00:49:39,220
These cameras do
identify people,

1107
00:49:39,220 --> 00:49:41,560
and I think it's very
important to keep that in mind.

1108
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,440
Furthermore, for there
were other claims

1109
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,000
made as well concerning
public roadways.

1110
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:48,840
At two hours into
the meeting, it

1111
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,020
was said, as far as
the privacy concerns,

1112
00:49:51,020 --> 00:49:53,500
they've upheld the
legality of the technology.

1113
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:56,240
And I quote, They deem that
there is no expectation

1114
00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:59,200
of privacy in relation to the
exterior of a motor vehicle

1115
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,440
or its government issued
license plate when it's

1116
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,760
displayed on a public roadway.

1117
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:05,600
The cameras do not
only photograph

1118
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,880
the exterior of the
vehicle, though, do they.

1119
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,200
What happens when someone
who owns a convertible

1120
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,800
drives past one.

1121
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,220
Seriously what happens.

1122
00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:14,520
There is a reasonable
expectation

1123
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,140
of privacy for people
inside of their vehicles.

1124
00:50:17,140 --> 00:50:19,820
There's an expectation of
privacy for vehicles parked

1125
00:50:19,820 --> 00:50:21,860
at homes on private property.

1126
00:50:21,860 --> 00:50:23,860
There certainly is an
expectation of privacy

1127
00:50:23,860 --> 00:50:25,940
for people on private property.

1128
00:50:25,940 --> 00:50:30,020
A full 23% of flock cameras in
Pekin face a citizen's home.

1129
00:50:30,020 --> 00:50:32,540
The cameras do not
exclusively take a photo

1130
00:50:32,540 --> 00:50:34,040
of the exterior of a vehicle.

1131
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,080
As previously stated, when
facing a home or sidewalk,

1132
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,920
they can certainly
capture people.

1133
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,100
At the end of the day, let's
pretend it's just a Kodak

1134
00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:42,940
camera owned by a person.

1135
00:50:42,940 --> 00:50:44,780
Would it be legal for
a citizen to place

1136
00:50:44,780 --> 00:50:46,980
a camera on a pole
facing someone's home

1137
00:50:46,980 --> 00:50:49,020
and record all day, every day.

1138
00:50:49,020 --> 00:50:50,140
No it wouldn't.

1139
00:50:50,140 --> 00:50:53,940
So why are we allowing this much
more pervasive and connected

1140
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:56,060
system to do the same thing.

1141
00:50:56,060 --> 00:50:57,820
I hope you will consider
what me and my friends

1142
00:50:57,820 --> 00:50:58,640
have said tonight.

1143
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:02,380
It is very troubling,
especially because my family

1144
00:51:02,380 --> 00:51:04,480
is a big part of why I'm here
and it means a lot to me.

1145
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,720
I hope you consider what I said.

1146
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:08,220
Thank you.

1147
00:51:08,220 --> 00:51:20,610
Thank name is Roger Greer.

1148
00:51:20,610 --> 00:51:23,470
601 Prince Street,
Pekin, Illinois.

1149
00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:27,790
Last Friday afternoon,
August 21, the election board

1150
00:51:27,790 --> 00:51:33,550
met concerning a referendum
petition question being turned

1151
00:51:33,550 --> 00:51:37,910
in to the city clerk's office,
consisting of over 1750

1152
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:41,550
signatures and 71 pages.

1153
00:51:41,550 --> 00:51:46,510
At the hearing,
Mayor Burris presided

1154
00:51:46,510 --> 00:51:49,990
as the election board member.

1155
00:51:49,990 --> 00:51:56,830
The city clerk presided,
and councilman Abele

1156
00:51:56,830 --> 00:52:05,230
was part of the board, and the
mayor has went on record voting

1157
00:52:05,230 --> 00:52:09,430
against putting a referendum on
the ballot about two years ago.

1158
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:15,390
It was put on the council agenda
and the council was tied 3 to 3

1159
00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:18,220
over putting a referendum
question on the ballot,

1160
00:52:18,220 --> 00:52:21,320
simply asking the voters
their opinion on the matter,

1161
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,120
whether the city
should remain a home

1162
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:24,920
rule local government or not.

1163
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,820
It was again, it
was tied 3 to 3,

1164
00:52:26,820 --> 00:52:29,680
and our current
mayor broke the tie

1165
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:33,280
and decided that it
shouldn't be on the ballot

1166
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,280
for the pekan voters.

1167
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:40,080
Now Mr. Abell did
the same thing.

1168
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,600
He also voted against it.

1169
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,080
So it's hard for me to believe
that they could be completely

1170
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,600
impartial on this matter,
because they'd already went

1171
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,800
on record stating they didn't
want the citizens to have

1172
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,080
a right to vote on the issue.

1173
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:58,280
And my understanding, the city
clerk is appointed by the mayor.

1174
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,320
So I have a hard time
believing that person is going

1175
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:06,240
to be 100% impartial because she
was appointed by the mayor, who

1176
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,560
went on record
against putting a home

1177
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:11,360
rule referendum on the ballot.

1178
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,530
So at the hearing.

1179
00:53:15,530 --> 00:53:19,450
Their side had an
attorney from Cook County

1180
00:53:19,450 --> 00:53:21,330
drive all the way
down here to present

1181
00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:25,850
all kinds of legal
technicalities

1182
00:53:25,850 --> 00:53:28,690
against the petition,
for example.

1183
00:53:28,690 --> 00:53:33,010
It wasn't bound sufficiently.

1184
00:53:33,010 --> 00:53:35,090
Now, personally, I
think that should

1185
00:53:35,090 --> 00:53:37,930
be more of a concern
for me, the petitioner,

1186
00:53:37,930 --> 00:53:40,350
and not the other side.

1187
00:53:40,350 --> 00:53:45,070
Because every sheet is
notarized and the petitioner,

1188
00:53:45,070 --> 00:53:49,370
the circulators required to
sign that in front of a notary.

1189
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:54,730
And so the likelihood of
someone inserting, petitions

1190
00:53:54,730 --> 00:53:57,410
after the fact to try
to get more signatures

1191
00:53:57,410 --> 00:54:03,730
seems to be, to me,
not a possibility.

1192
00:54:03,730 --> 00:54:07,810
And so for me, each page
being numbered and notarized

1193
00:54:07,810 --> 00:54:10,890
should be sufficient
to keep myself

1194
00:54:10,890 --> 00:54:13,780
from being concerned about
somebody changing out the pages

1195
00:54:13,780 --> 00:54:15,380
or something like that.

1196
00:54:15,380 --> 00:54:19,140
But in any event, that
was one of the reasons

1197
00:54:19,140 --> 00:54:21,220
the Cook County
attorney gave the board

1198
00:54:21,220 --> 00:54:24,600
for dismissing the referendum.

1199
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,980
Another concern was that
the question was too

1200
00:54:28,980 --> 00:54:32,660
difficult to understand, and the
exact question on the petition

1201
00:54:32,660 --> 00:54:37,500
was, shall the city of Pekin
elect not to be a home rule

1202
00:54:37,500 --> 00:54:41,020
municipality as allowed
pursuant to Article

1203
00:54:41,020 --> 00:54:45,420
7, Section 6 B of the
Illinois Constitution.

1204
00:54:45,420 --> 00:54:48,860
Now, honestly.

1205
00:54:48,860 --> 00:54:51,340
If the voters are
that stupid that they

1206
00:54:51,340 --> 00:54:53,900
can't understand
that question, then

1207
00:54:53,900 --> 00:54:56,540
we've got a really big problem.

1208
00:54:56,540 --> 00:54:59,840
But that was an argument
their attorney presented.

1209
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:01,540
The voters aren't
smart enough to answer

1210
00:55:01,540 --> 00:55:02,920
that yes or no question.

1211
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,380
The Pekin shouldn't be
allowed to answer it.

1212
00:55:06,380 --> 00:55:12,670
And so there was another concern
that one of the circulators

1213
00:55:12,670 --> 00:55:17,570
turned in an inappropriate
address on her petitions,

1214
00:55:17,570 --> 00:55:21,710
and she was here at the hearing
with her driver's license, which

1215
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:23,270
stated the address
that she turned

1216
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:27,390
in on the petition, as well as
her voter registration card.

1217
00:55:27,390 --> 00:55:32,770
So no one ever asked or present
that she was here to present it,

1218
00:55:32,770 --> 00:55:34,170
but no one asked her to.

1219
00:55:34,170 --> 00:55:37,190
But that was another
issue that was

1220
00:55:37,190 --> 00:55:40,830
brought up that
11 pages shouldn't

1221
00:55:40,830 --> 00:55:43,630
be considered because of that.

1222
00:55:43,630 --> 00:55:49,390
And so, in any event, I
thank the voters in Pekin

1223
00:55:49,390 --> 00:55:51,150
who fund the local
government should

1224
00:55:51,150 --> 00:55:54,270
have every right to decide
what form of local government

1225
00:55:54,270 --> 00:55:54,770
they want.

1226
00:55:54,770 --> 00:55:57,770
And I don't care what side
of your honor seconds,

1227
00:55:57,770 --> 00:56:00,310
should be something that the
voters should be able to do.

1228
00:56:00,310 --> 00:56:02,990
And so I ask all the
council members here,

1229
00:56:02,990 --> 00:56:06,850
if you haven't seen
the hearing recording,

1230
00:56:06,850 --> 00:56:10,970
it's on the city website,
I ask you to look at it

1231
00:56:10,970 --> 00:56:14,330
and make your own decision on
what you think should have been

1232
00:56:14,330 --> 00:56:17,870
done, as well as any
people here today,

1233
00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:20,830
or maybe watching this
to watch the hearing.

1234
00:56:20,830 --> 00:56:23,130
It's on the city's website.

1235
00:56:23,130 --> 00:56:24,390
Thank you very much.

1236
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:29,850


1237
00:56:29,850 --> 00:56:32,170
I would like the audience
to know that home rule

1238
00:56:32,170 --> 00:56:34,390
is not a form of government.

1239
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:39,650


1240
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:40,610
All right.

1241
00:56:40,610 --> 00:56:42,490
Hello my name is
Diego, and I just

1242
00:56:42,490 --> 00:56:46,110
want to get this straightforward
and just put my word out there.

1243
00:56:46,110 --> 00:56:48,830
This will be my first time
speaking at a council meeting,

1244
00:56:48,830 --> 00:56:51,350
so if I trip up, I apologize.

1245
00:56:51,350 --> 00:56:54,570
It's my first time, so
I'm a little nervous.

1246
00:56:54,570 --> 00:56:57,650
We all are.

1247
00:56:57,650 --> 00:57:00,210
I would just like to say
I came here today because

1248
00:57:00,210 --> 00:57:01,470
of my family and friends.

1249
00:57:01,470 --> 00:57:03,570
We have a flock
camera on our property

1250
00:57:03,570 --> 00:57:06,640
that we had no idea
of until later on.

1251
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:07,860
Until later on.

1252
00:57:07,860 --> 00:57:08,880
The way we just.

1253
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:13,740
Yeah but I'll get
into my argument.

1254
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:16,180
Flock cameras have many reasons
on why the town of Pekin

1255
00:57:16,180 --> 00:57:18,460
does not need them.

1256
00:57:18,460 --> 00:57:20,580
We should not be
a security state,

1257
00:57:20,580 --> 00:57:23,780
nor should we be watched
without our consent.

1258
00:57:23,780 --> 00:57:26,180
We do not know what
these people do

1259
00:57:26,180 --> 00:57:29,100
with our information and
our facial recognition

1260
00:57:29,100 --> 00:57:32,100
behind these cameras.

1261
00:57:32,100 --> 00:57:34,900
So why should we trust them.

1262
00:57:34,900 --> 00:57:38,300
As flock cameras are known to
stalk individuals and even track

1263
00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:40,620
their faces and use
our data with our faces

1264
00:57:40,620 --> 00:57:44,520
as well, without any warrants.

1265
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,940
Officers and any
other law enforcement

1266
00:57:46,940 --> 00:57:49,580
can provide seizures
and arrests to us

1267
00:57:49,580 --> 00:57:51,960
without any warrants
or documentation,

1268
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:54,740
where they can arrest us.

1269
00:57:54,740 --> 00:57:57,100
As a minority myself,
I do not feel safe

1270
00:57:57,100 --> 00:58:00,100
with these flock cameras,
especially with the high cases

1271
00:58:00,100 --> 00:58:01,480
of police brutality.

1272
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,310


1273
00:58:04,310 --> 00:58:08,310
Speaking on topics of
private privacy invasion.

1274
00:58:08,310 --> 00:58:11,070
As flock cameras have been
proven to trace Bluetooth

1275
00:58:11,070 --> 00:58:13,470
signals from your devices.

1276
00:58:13,470 --> 00:58:17,590
An article called The
hidden surveillance network

1277
00:58:17,590 --> 00:58:19,550
what flock cameras
and signal trace

1278
00:58:19,550 --> 00:58:21,630
mean for everyday
Americans, published

1279
00:58:21,630 --> 00:58:24,430
by Emily Stanley Allard.

1280
00:58:24,430 --> 00:58:30,670
She explains how the AI powered
technology tracks our devices.

1281
00:58:30,670 --> 00:58:32,670
Recent reporting and
product demonstrations

1282
00:58:32,670 --> 00:58:34,510
indicate that Bluetooth
and wired signal

1283
00:58:34,510 --> 00:58:38,610
collection technologies, such as
Leonardo signal trace platform,

1284
00:58:38,610 --> 00:58:42,350
is being integrated with some
quote unquote license plate

1285
00:58:42,350 --> 00:58:44,650
reader reader
ecosystems, which, yes,

1286
00:58:44,650 --> 00:58:45,950
they do read license
plates, but that's

1287
00:58:45,950 --> 00:58:47,170
not the only thing they do.

1288
00:58:47,170 --> 00:58:50,390


1289
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:52,950
Which allows investigators
to associate wireless

1290
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:56,270
devices traveling with
a vehicle over time.

1291
00:58:56,270 --> 00:58:59,370
However, I feel like this is a
violation of our human rights.

1292
00:58:59,370 --> 00:59:01,530
We do not know when
we are being recorded.

1293
00:59:01,530 --> 00:59:03,540
We do not know
who's recording us.

1294
00:59:03,540 --> 00:59:07,520
We do not know about flock
cameras on our properties.

1295
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:08,340
That is all.

1296
00:59:08,340 --> 00:59:08,980
Thank you.

1297
00:59:08,980 --> 00:59:13,160


1298
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,300
Madam Clerk, before we continue.

1299
00:59:15,300 --> 00:59:17,620
Do you know the time
that we started this.

1300
00:59:17,620 --> 00:59:21,160
I realize it's an hour
into the whole meeting.

1301
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,640
Did you mark down.

1302
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,500
It's I mean, it's getting close.

1303
00:59:24,500 --> 00:59:26,200
We had a couple things.

1304
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:27,320
Go right ahead.

1305
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,780
OK ma'am, respectfully, I will
make this as quick as possible.

1306
00:59:29,780 --> 00:59:33,120
Council members.

1307
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,860
Dave Nutter I don't know if
you're related to Doug Nutter,

1308
00:59:35,860 --> 00:59:37,560
but I really love going
to Pekin high school

1309
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:40,500
and having him as
my gym teacher.

1310
00:59:40,500 --> 00:59:43,060
He's a great gym teacher,
pushed a lot of us.

1311
00:59:43,060 --> 00:59:46,960
But anyway, let's get
that out of the way.

1312
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,960
I just want you to know I agree
with everything these people

1313
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:51,560
back here have met.

1314
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:54,960
I enjoy seeing people of all
different political backgrounds,

1315
00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:00,010
race, gender, sexuality,
all that fun jazz

1316
01:00:00,010 --> 01:00:01,670
uniting here on this one issue.

1317
01:00:01,670 --> 01:00:05,270
I think it's something special
that we get to see very often,

1318
01:00:05,270 --> 01:00:07,770
whether you may be for
or against walking camera

1319
01:00:07,770 --> 01:00:11,370
for or against flock cameras.

1320
01:00:11,370 --> 01:00:16,050
My biggest issue with
the flock cameras.

1321
01:00:16,050 --> 01:00:19,250
Or one of them, besides
what these guys have said,

1322
01:00:19,250 --> 01:00:21,770
is that and what's not
been talked about tonight

1323
01:00:21,770 --> 01:00:25,130
is these cameras have
several vulnerabilities

1324
01:00:25,130 --> 01:00:27,110
and issues with them
from the technical side.

1325
01:00:27,110 --> 01:00:29,250
I know some people have
talked about the patents,

1326
01:00:29,250 --> 01:00:31,370
but one of the things that's
not talked about is the security

1327
01:00:31,370 --> 01:00:34,730
vulnerabilities and
how you are able to

1328
01:00:34,730 --> 01:00:39,010
through some way, able to watch
the camera feeds yourself.

1329
01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:41,790
And it is a closed system.

1330
01:00:41,790 --> 01:00:43,530
None of this is open source.

1331
01:00:43,530 --> 01:00:46,930
So we don't really know.

1332
01:00:46,930 --> 01:00:50,150
We don't really know what's
the word I'm looking for.

1333
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:53,810


1334
01:00:53,810 --> 01:00:56,230
We don't really know how
to protect against it.

1335
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:58,710
No one has been.

1336
01:00:58,710 --> 01:01:00,623
There's a guy I watch
on YouTube, Ben Jordan.

1337
01:01:00,623 --> 01:01:02,090
I don't know if any of
you have watched him.

1338
01:01:02,090 --> 01:01:04,790
I highly recommend checking
out his video on flock,

1339
01:01:04,790 --> 01:01:09,350
but he demonstrates that he
was able to get remote access.

1340
01:01:09,350 --> 01:01:10,990
And for anyone
who's not familiar,

1341
01:01:10,990 --> 01:01:14,750
remote access means I could
be sitting at my house over

1342
01:01:14,750 --> 01:01:17,110
behind the herget
mansion and I would

1343
01:01:17,110 --> 01:01:18,750
be able to get
into a flock camera

1344
01:01:18,750 --> 01:01:22,350
without having to physically
get into it, as long as I have

1345
01:01:22,350 --> 01:01:26,910
a cellular or Wi-Fi connection.

1346
01:01:26,910 --> 01:01:28,290
With this, I bring up.

1347
01:01:28,290 --> 01:01:31,510
Another concern is
that we don't know they

1348
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:34,710
said, who is accessing them.

1349
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:39,430
We don't know which state
counties are accessing them.

1350
01:01:39,430 --> 01:01:42,350
We don't know if the federal
government is secretly

1351
01:01:42,350 --> 01:01:45,230
supporting using
the secret courts

1352
01:01:45,230 --> 01:01:50,130
to subpoena people around the
US to get this information.

1353
01:01:50,130 --> 01:01:54,190
And ultimately, one
of my biggest concern

1354
01:01:54,190 --> 01:01:58,600
is that we have another neither
Edward Snowden incident, where

1355
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,840
someone uncovers a mass
surveillance program where

1356
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:05,160
our name, dates and
everything about us

1357
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:08,080
is being stored and stocked
by the federal government more

1358
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:09,360
than they need
and more than they

1359
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:11,140
already have to do their jobs.

1360
01:02:11,140 --> 01:02:14,360


1361
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:17,080
I think I've said enough.

1362
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:18,620
I've made my concerns clear.

1363
01:02:18,620 --> 01:02:20,380
One more thing about
Beacon high school.

1364
01:02:20,380 --> 01:02:22,520
I really love going there.

1365
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,640
I was able to get my first
internship about three

1366
01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:27,520
months out of high school.

1367
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:31,560
Because of all of the tech
classes, I was able to go.

1368
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:32,740
Thank you guys for your time.

1369
01:02:32,740 --> 01:02:35,280
I would greatly appreciate
if you could vote no to this,

1370
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:37,400
as this is one of
my biggest concerns

1371
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:39,440
of my children growing
up and everyone

1372
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,160
knowing everything about them
from the time they're born.

1373
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:43,800
Thank you very much.

1374
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:44,420
You're right.

1375
01:02:44,420 --> 01:02:47,760
Beacon high school is wonderful.

1376
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:48,260
Thank you.

1377
01:02:48,260 --> 01:02:51,800


1378
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:52,820
Good afternoon.

1379
01:02:52,820 --> 01:02:55,350
My name is Wrigley, and
the last time I was here,

1380
01:02:55,350 --> 01:02:58,050
I stated that this was an
Orwellian idea that the city is

1381
01:02:58,050 --> 01:03:00,890
choosing to put its funds,
resources, and energy

1382
01:03:00,890 --> 01:03:02,930
into these cameras over
a variety of other things

1383
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:04,830
that I proposed and
later listed off,

1384
01:03:04,830 --> 01:03:07,770
would be more beneficial
to this community.

1385
01:03:07,770 --> 01:03:10,450
I understand that we want
Pekin to be a safer place.

1386
01:03:10,450 --> 01:03:14,610
I want Pekin to be a
better and safer place.

1387
01:03:14,610 --> 01:03:17,970
However, the argument that we
need to focus on Pekin alone

1388
01:03:17,970 --> 01:03:20,290
and ignore the rest of the
concurrent reports of police

1389
01:03:20,290 --> 01:03:23,090
misusing the cameras outside
because it hasn't happened here

1390
01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:26,370
is nothing short of willful
ignorance and naivety.

1391
01:03:26,370 --> 01:03:29,250
No country, no
state, and no country

1392
01:03:29,250 --> 01:03:32,730
is immune to
authoritarian abuse.

1393
01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:35,170
I cannot speak, nor will
I question the intentions

1394
01:03:35,170 --> 01:03:37,210
of the chief, as I can
only assume that he has

1395
01:03:37,210 --> 01:03:39,330
pekin's best interests in mind.

1396
01:03:39,330 --> 01:03:42,250
However, I have to ask on why
we're forgetting to mention

1397
01:03:42,250 --> 01:03:45,630
that flock doesn't work
alone off the license plate,

1398
01:03:45,630 --> 01:03:50,950
as even Greg stated that they
work off of body my make model,

1399
01:03:50,950 --> 01:03:54,680
and color along a variety
of damages, bumper stickers,

1400
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:57,380
and a variety of other things,
including the absence of license

1401
01:03:57,380 --> 01:04:01,020
plates themselves, all of
which is fed through an AI

1402
01:04:01,020 --> 01:04:02,280
machine learning algorithm.

1403
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,660
As we already know that
the city doesn't even own.

1404
01:04:05,660 --> 01:04:10,180
It is privately owned by flock
and stored in their system.

1405
01:04:10,180 --> 01:04:14,620
And I also think it should be
pulled up into question on why

1406
01:04:14,620 --> 01:04:18,580
the representatives of
flock felt so felt the need

1407
01:04:18,580 --> 01:04:22,660
to be evasive about it.

1408
01:04:22,660 --> 01:04:26,820
And this is all acknowledged
in their flock evidence policy

1409
01:04:26,820 --> 01:04:28,980
as you can go and find it.

1410
01:04:28,980 --> 01:04:31,820
So again, why they're so evasive
about it in the first place

1411
01:04:31,820 --> 01:04:33,860
should be called into question.

1412
01:04:33,860 --> 01:04:36,660
They can argue that the Delete
said documentation all they

1413
01:04:36,660 --> 01:04:38,980
want, but if it is being
used for AI training

1414
01:04:38,980 --> 01:04:41,120
and being fed into
a learning program,

1415
01:04:41,120 --> 01:04:43,700
is it really being deleted
in the first place.

1416
01:04:43,700 --> 01:04:46,060
Not to mention that they say
that the documentation is

1417
01:04:46,060 --> 01:04:49,020
deleted every 30 days,
which over the current time

1418
01:04:49,020 --> 01:04:52,830
since we were last meeting about
this was reduced to seven days.

1419
01:04:52,830 --> 01:04:56,790
And sure can argue and say
that this may be a good change,

1420
01:04:56,790 --> 01:05:00,310
but then I want you to think
back on the idea of an AI base

1421
01:05:00,310 --> 01:05:03,030
itself, something that
can learn anything

1422
01:05:03,030 --> 01:05:06,910
within microseconds at a time.

1423
01:05:06,910 --> 01:05:09,590
And with them placing
cameras around every corner

1424
01:05:09,590 --> 01:05:12,830
and every block, it
makes it effectively

1425
01:05:12,830 --> 01:05:17,090
futile to even have this
policy here in the first place.

1426
01:05:17,090 --> 01:05:19,090
They might as well
not even delete it,

1427
01:05:19,090 --> 01:05:21,130
since your plate
would be captured,

1428
01:05:21,130 --> 01:05:24,710
or your car would be captured
at every given moment.

1429
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:28,390
And not to mention
they log your exact GPS

1430
01:05:28,390 --> 01:05:31,430
coordinate at the
very moment capture.

1431
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:34,350
I would also like to expand
more on MS Phillips comments

1432
01:05:34,350 --> 01:05:37,270
about our devices and even
other people's cameras tracking

1433
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:40,630
us our cellular devices.

1434
01:05:40,630 --> 01:05:44,410
Tracking quotation tracking
us is our personal choice.

1435
01:05:44,410 --> 01:05:47,630
We sign an agreement with
Apple to allow and permit

1436
01:05:47,630 --> 01:05:50,120
this in our very pockets.

1437
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,840
The very same thing
goes with ring

1438
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,600
as the Ring doorbell is another
great example she proposed.

1439
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,800
This is a privatized
choice on private property

1440
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,000
for the private owner.

1441
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:03,640
It is no different
than a business

1442
01:06:03,640 --> 01:06:07,680
choosing to have cameras in
their store and premises.

1443
01:06:07,680 --> 01:06:10,240
The issue is that it's not the
government's responsibility

1444
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,300
for how we choose to
protect ourselves,

1445
01:06:12,300 --> 01:06:15,300
as I believe that's what the
Second Amendment is for as well.

1446
01:06:15,300 --> 01:06:17,840


1447
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,720
But instead of the individual
of the privacy of their.

1448
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,040
Let me rephrase that.

1449
01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,600
But instead the individual
themselves to prioritize

1450
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:28,200
their security, thus
nullifying any debate

1451
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,880
about the differences
between flock

1452
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:31,940
cameras and personal devices.

1453
01:06:31,940 --> 01:06:34,480


1454
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,240
One of the biggest things that
you're taught as an officer

1455
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:39,920
is that you need warrants
for almost anything

1456
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:42,080
and everything to
ensure that you do not

1457
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:43,700
violate the Fourth Amendment.

1458
01:06:43,700 --> 01:06:45,480
They need warrants
to access our devices

1459
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:47,500
in and outside of our homes.

1460
01:06:47,500 --> 01:06:49,640
They need them to
enter our homes.

1461
01:06:49,640 --> 01:06:51,640
But suddenly this changes
with these cameras,

1462
01:06:51,640 --> 01:06:55,140
as they can navigate beyond
and bypass the whole process

1463
01:06:55,140 --> 01:06:58,380
of warrant by contacting
flock directly,

1464
01:06:58,380 --> 01:07:02,820
as that's even being discussed
in federal courts at the moment.

1465
01:07:02,820 --> 01:07:05,180
Since it's captured and
documented through a privatized

1466
01:07:05,180 --> 01:07:07,780
company, they can have
access to it at any given

1467
01:07:07,780 --> 01:07:09,940
point within their
grace period, making

1468
01:07:09,940 --> 01:07:12,340
it so pointless to
how they even have

1469
01:07:12,340 --> 01:07:14,460
this many setup to begin with.

1470
01:07:14,460 --> 01:07:16,900
The first real major
step to mass surveillance

1471
01:07:16,900 --> 01:07:19,440
was during the Bush
administration in 2001.

1472
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:21,260
Under the Patriot Act.

1473
01:07:21,260 --> 01:07:23,060
People took issue
with it then, and

1474
01:07:23,060 --> 01:07:24,620
people take issue with it now.

1475
01:07:24,620 --> 01:07:27,060
The only difference is
people have become aware

1476
01:07:27,060 --> 01:07:29,100
of how the authorities
and the government

1477
01:07:29,100 --> 01:07:30,680
have used it maliciously.

1478
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,380
Seconds more thorough
understanding of the technology

1479
01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:34,620
now more than ever.

1480
01:07:34,620 --> 01:07:37,140
And the few people that Mr.
Fletcher claimed to have heard

1481
01:07:37,140 --> 01:07:39,500
from supporting these
cameras are severely

1482
01:07:39,500 --> 01:07:41,900
outweighed by the
mass public of Pekin,

1483
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:45,950
as evidenced by their so-called
fear of being outnumbered

1484
01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:47,430
by us in this very room.

1485
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:48,930
We've asked for statistics.

1486
01:07:48,930 --> 01:07:50,010
We have received none.

1487
01:07:50,010 --> 01:07:52,310
Tens we've asked for
reasons to how these cameras

1488
01:07:52,310 --> 01:07:53,370
benefit the people.

1489
01:07:53,370 --> 01:07:54,770
And we've received none.

1490
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:58,090
We hear your explanations
and we are not interested.

1491
01:07:58,090 --> 01:07:58,690
Thank you.

1492
01:07:58,690 --> 01:08:05,310


1493
01:08:05,310 --> 01:08:06,910
Did you say we
have at that time.

1494
01:08:06,910 --> 01:08:07,410
We had.

1495
01:08:07,410 --> 01:08:09,790
We have five more minutes left.

1496
01:08:09,790 --> 01:08:10,370
Thank you.

1497
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:14,350
OK our next speaker.

1498
01:08:14,350 --> 01:08:17,663
My name is Devin with an O.
I'm not a good public speaker,

1499
01:08:17,663 --> 01:08:18,930
so I'm going to be
looking down a lot.

1500
01:08:18,930 --> 01:08:20,510
I'm sorry.

1501
01:08:20,510 --> 01:08:23,770
So I've lived in Pekin with
my husband for over a decade.

1502
01:08:23,770 --> 01:08:26,750
When it came time to transition
from renting to owning,

1503
01:08:26,750 --> 01:08:29,069
I did a lot of research
and determined Pekin to be

1504
01:08:29,069 --> 01:08:30,750
an excellent match for us.

1505
01:08:30,750 --> 01:08:34,630
Like everything showed that
the place was on the up and up.

1506
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:36,229
It felt like a really
nice place, one

1507
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:37,810
that you could
raise a family in.

1508
01:08:37,810 --> 01:08:40,149
Kids left their toys in the
yard and folks had chairs out

1509
01:08:40,149 --> 01:08:42,700
on their porches, and there's so
many beautiful parks and perks.

1510
01:08:42,700 --> 01:08:46,220
It's obvious we're a dog
town and we have two dogs,

1511
01:08:46,220 --> 01:08:48,960
and it felt really
safe to walk around.

1512
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,040
And I've been talking
the place up so

1513
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,600
much that my
mother-in-law has even

1514
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,319
decided to come and move here.

1515
01:08:56,319 --> 01:08:59,380
So back then, the only cameras
were like traffic cameras,

1516
01:08:59,380 --> 01:09:01,460
and nobody likes those because
we know what they're about.

1517
01:09:01,460 --> 01:09:03,040
They don't make driving
safer, but cities

1518
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:05,200
can use them to automatically
find people without having

1519
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:06,800
to staff a police officer.

1520
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:07,939
It's really impersonal.

1521
01:09:07,939 --> 01:09:10,200
They don't account for when
we're tired from a 16 hour

1522
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,359
shift, or when we're distracted
from three hungry children

1523
01:09:12,359 --> 01:09:13,460
in the back seat.

1524
01:09:13,460 --> 01:09:15,880
They just tag and flag, and the
ticket would come in the mail,

1525
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,580
and the cameras
don't care or feel,

1526
01:09:17,580 --> 01:09:19,560
and people end up feeling
as though those benefiting

1527
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,399
from the cameras don't care
or feel about the people

1528
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:23,640
of their cities, either.

1529
01:09:23,640 --> 01:09:25,080
When I saw one of
those Black cameras

1530
01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:26,520
with the solar panel
in piqua and it made

1531
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,520
me feel unsafe and scared.

1532
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,080
These automatic
license plate readers

1533
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,560
are a new type of surveillance,
and they're not to gather

1534
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:34,600
ticket fees, but are data.

1535
01:09:34,600 --> 01:09:37,660
What has happened to
Pekin to warrant this.

1536
01:09:37,660 --> 01:09:40,930
Since I've moved here,
because I haven't seen it.

1537
01:09:40,930 --> 01:09:42,430
They're also very impersonal.

1538
01:09:42,430 --> 01:09:43,930
They record, regardless
of need, and they

1539
01:09:43,930 --> 01:09:48,010
feed a database of a
private company in Georgia.

1540
01:09:48,010 --> 01:09:50,529
We give you your office's
badges, privileges, and even

1541
01:09:50,529 --> 01:09:53,689
weapons because we want
to trust you to help us

1542
01:09:53,689 --> 01:09:56,130
and to bring structure
in order to our lives

1543
01:09:56,130 --> 01:09:58,090
and to give us a beautiful
and safe community

1544
01:09:58,090 --> 01:10:00,130
like you've been doing.

1545
01:10:00,130 --> 01:10:01,930
But trust has to be mutual.

1546
01:10:01,930 --> 01:10:03,610
Flock safety has
not shown itself

1547
01:10:03,610 --> 01:10:06,010
to be a trustworthy
Steward of our information.

1548
01:10:06,010 --> 01:10:08,250
Last year in August, the
Illinois Secretary of State

1549
01:10:08,250 --> 01:10:10,210
gave a public report
regarding their audit

1550
01:10:10,210 --> 01:10:12,010
of the automatic
license plate systems

1551
01:10:12,010 --> 01:10:14,810
under government
contract in Illinois.

1552
01:10:14,810 --> 01:10:19,130
And like 90 something percent
of those are flock safety.

1553
01:10:19,130 --> 01:10:21,330
And like 99 point
whatever percent

1554
01:10:21,330 --> 01:10:24,490
of the ones in this
area in Tazewell County

1555
01:10:24,490 --> 01:10:26,130
are flock safety.

1556
01:10:26,130 --> 01:10:29,370
And they stated that flock
safety was in frequent violation

1557
01:10:29,370 --> 01:10:32,370
of Illinois State law, and
that local governments needed

1558
01:10:32,370 --> 01:10:35,730
to audit their contracts, and
that 74 outside agencies had

1559
01:10:35,730 --> 01:10:38,340
to have their backdoor access
revoked from Illinois system

1560
01:10:38,340 --> 01:10:40,820
access, and there have
since been myriad reports

1561
01:10:40,820 --> 01:10:42,800
from across the nation
and in Illinois,

1562
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:44,180
and everything we've
heard in the room

1563
01:10:44,180 --> 01:10:48,060
today that the misuse and abuse
of these systems has continued.

1564
01:10:48,060 --> 01:10:51,300
And I'm just wondering what is
the compelling public safety

1565
01:10:51,300 --> 01:10:53,460
need that Pekin police
department has identified

1566
01:10:53,460 --> 01:10:56,060
to allow this into our town.

1567
01:10:56,060 --> 01:10:58,660
I'm being watched without
cause, evaluated by someone who

1568
01:10:58,660 --> 01:11:00,460
only knows me by my
data, and who isn't

1569
01:11:00,460 --> 01:11:02,540
a member of this community.

1570
01:11:02,540 --> 01:11:04,980
Someone who's shown
themselves to be irresponsible

1571
01:11:04,980 --> 01:11:06,620
at best and repeatedly
demonstrated

1572
01:11:06,620 --> 01:11:10,020
a disregard for our own law.

1573
01:11:10,020 --> 01:11:11,520
They don't have to care or feel.

1574
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:13,220
But the person they trust
with a gun and a badge

1575
01:11:13,220 --> 01:11:15,440
wants to rely on such
an impersonal system,

1576
01:11:15,440 --> 01:11:17,740
implying they don't
trust me and want

1577
01:11:17,740 --> 01:11:19,940
to keep their distance from me.

1578
01:11:19,940 --> 01:11:23,180
Though I have nothing to hide,
I don't feel safe in Pekin

1579
01:11:23,180 --> 01:11:24,220
anymore.

1580
01:11:24,220 --> 01:11:29,620


1581
01:11:29,620 --> 01:11:31,480
Public input is now closed.

1582
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:35,880
I'm on that subject.

1583
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:36,380
A minute.

1584
01:11:36,380 --> 01:11:36,940
No OK.

1585
01:11:36,940 --> 01:11:37,780
Not perfect.

1586
01:11:37,780 --> 01:11:40,760


1587
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:41,700
My name is Biden.

1588
01:11:41,700 --> 01:11:45,420
For if you remember, not
this meet last meeting,

1589
01:11:45,420 --> 01:11:46,520
but the one before.

1590
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,920
When I came up and I told you
guys that my truck was parked

1591
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,380
and they didn't empty my
daughter's garbage cans.

1592
01:11:52,380 --> 01:11:53,320
Oh, yes.

1593
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:56,760
OK well.

1594
01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,060
Wednesday, when it
was pouring down rain.

1595
01:12:00,060 --> 01:12:03,640


1596
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,760
My daughter's
boyfriend was parked.

1597
01:12:06,760 --> 01:12:09,880
I have never, ever heard
that you have to be

1598
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:14,320
parked 6 feet from a driveway.

1599
01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:15,660
How are we supposed
to know this.

1600
01:12:15,660 --> 01:12:21,100
To be able to get a ticket, even
though the ticket was squished.

1601
01:12:21,100 --> 01:12:23,040
If he went out and
moved the truck in the

1602
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:25,800
pour down rain, which he did.

1603
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:26,940
This is me.

1604
01:12:26,940 --> 01:12:31,760
I am like that
neighbor next door.

1605
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,220
He came over and knocked on the
door when I was there and said,

1606
01:12:34,220 --> 01:12:35,610
hey, can you move the truck.

1607
01:12:35,610 --> 01:12:39,130
And I said, yeah, when they
empty the garbage cans.

1608
01:12:39,130 --> 01:12:40,510
What are you supposed to do.

1609
01:12:40,510 --> 01:12:43,010
You're on North 11th Street.

1610
01:12:43,010 --> 01:12:45,630
There's a white car that's
been sitting there for a month.

1611
01:12:45,630 --> 01:12:48,370
Then there's the Brown
house, blue truck.

1612
01:12:48,370 --> 01:12:49,890
Then there's this vehicle.

1613
01:12:49,890 --> 01:12:52,010
There's only one parking spot.

1614
01:12:52,010 --> 01:12:54,250
Which I've already
called the city.

1615
01:12:54,250 --> 01:13:01,610
And I ask about tearing that out
and them putting rock in there.

1616
01:13:01,610 --> 01:13:05,710
But you've got to cut the
curb and the sidewalk.

1617
01:13:05,710 --> 01:13:07,250
And I understand all of it.

1618
01:13:07,250 --> 01:13:09,990
Except you're not
allowed to use rock.

1619
01:13:09,990 --> 01:13:12,850
It can only be concrete.

1620
01:13:12,850 --> 01:13:16,530
So these kids can't
afford a concrete driveway

1621
01:13:16,530 --> 01:13:18,170
to add on to it.

1622
01:13:18,170 --> 01:13:21,410
And that was to give
them two parking spots.

1623
01:13:21,410 --> 01:13:24,230
And I just don't understand.

1624
01:13:24,230 --> 01:13:27,130


1625
01:13:27,130 --> 01:13:29,330
How is anybody supposed to
know that you're supposed

1626
01:13:29,330 --> 01:13:33,860
to be 6 feet from a driveway.

1627
01:13:33,860 --> 01:13:38,420
Without getting
a ticket for $25.

1628
01:13:38,420 --> 01:13:40,580
They do have a camera.

1629
01:13:40,580 --> 01:13:45,180
And it was proven that the
person that wrote the ticket

1630
01:13:45,180 --> 01:13:49,300
did not measure,
and the gentleman

1631
01:13:49,300 --> 01:13:52,180
asked him to come back
with a police officer

1632
01:13:52,180 --> 01:13:55,420
and get out and measure it.

1633
01:13:55,420 --> 01:13:57,040
And he said, as long
as you move it all,

1634
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,420
turn it down to a Warning.

1635
01:13:59,420 --> 01:14:01,500
They've asked me not to
say anything because I

1636
01:14:01,500 --> 01:14:03,180
didn't want no trouble.

1637
01:14:03,180 --> 01:14:06,940
I said, oh no, I'm taking
this to the council

1638
01:14:06,940 --> 01:14:10,140
because the city, the
people in this town

1639
01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:11,940
apparently need to know.

1640
01:14:11,940 --> 01:14:15,120
But because of the
neighbor next door,

1641
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:19,240
he got mad because
he can't back out.

1642
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:22,380
Well, you can back out.

1643
01:14:22,380 --> 01:14:24,240
I back out of my
driveway all the time,

1644
01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:29,980
and I've got Mr. Luff
parked right here.

1645
01:14:29,980 --> 01:14:32,910
And then I have the neighbor
right behind my driveway.

1646
01:14:32,910 --> 01:14:36,950
And then I sometimes get Mr.
Luft's neighbor, that or friend

1647
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:38,450
that wants to park right there.

1648
01:14:38,450 --> 01:14:41,310
And I got to back a
truck out of that.

1649
01:14:41,310 --> 01:14:45,470
It is capable to be done even
with traffic coming at you.

1650
01:14:45,470 --> 01:14:48,670
So that is my complaint,
and it's something that I

1651
01:14:48,670 --> 01:14:50,210
wanted to put in front of this.

1652
01:14:50,210 --> 01:14:52,970
And I hope anybody
watching this understands.

1653
01:14:52,970 --> 01:14:56,550
Don't park 6 feet from
your neighbor's driveway

1654
01:14:56,550 --> 01:14:57,870
or you'll get a ticket.

1655
01:14:57,870 --> 01:14:58,530
Thank you.

1656
01:14:58,530 --> 01:14:59,090
Thank you.

1657
01:14:59,090 --> 01:15:04,110


1658
01:15:04,110 --> 01:15:05,510
We have one more
speaker on flock

1659
01:15:05,510 --> 01:15:08,470
because there was a speaker.

1660
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:09,290
There was two minutes.

1661
01:15:09,290 --> 01:15:11,150
There was two minutes left
and there was a speaker

1662
01:15:11,150 --> 01:15:12,563
talking about the Home Rule.

1663
01:15:12,563 --> 01:15:13,530
So there's five more minutes.

1664
01:15:13,530 --> 01:15:14,770
According to code.

1665
01:15:14,770 --> 01:15:17,390
So I'm going to have him
speak and then we're done.

1666
01:15:17,390 --> 01:15:18,770
And there were two minutes left.

1667
01:15:18,770 --> 01:15:21,450
I'll speak in less
than two minutes.

1668
01:15:21,450 --> 01:15:22,810
My name is Jeff Johnson.

1669
01:15:22,810 --> 01:15:25,370
I live on Sixth
Street here in Pekin.

1670
01:15:25,370 --> 01:15:30,560
I'm a property owner and I am
opposed to the flock cameras.

1671
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,560
But my question is rhetorical
to the mayor and the council.

1672
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:39,440
Do you feel as you're
going to vote on this.

1673
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:45,240
Please ask yourself, do you feel
that you are getting the value

1674
01:15:45,240 --> 01:15:47,240
out of what you're paying.

1675
01:15:47,240 --> 01:15:49,960
Flock to have the
cameras in place.

1676
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:55,160
Are you getting the
annual value that my tax

1677
01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:57,960
dollars are helping to support.

1678
01:15:57,960 --> 01:15:59,060
Thank you very much.

1679
01:15:59,060 --> 01:16:05,720


1680
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,120
We're done now.

1681
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,920
Public input is now closed.

1682
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:15,180
Chair will entertain a motion
for the consent agenda, please.

1683
01:16:15,180 --> 01:16:19,840
Approval of Madam Mayor, I
move that the following consent

1684
01:16:19,840 --> 01:16:26,220
agenda be approved 6.1 financial
reports through July 31, 2026

1685
01:16:26,220 --> 01:16:32,660
6.2 accounts payable paid proof
list through August 14, 2026.

1686
01:16:32,660 --> 01:16:39,700
6.3 ordinance number 4428
dash 2627 approving a Second

1687
01:16:39,700 --> 01:16:41,900
Amendment to purchase
and sale agreement

1688
01:16:41,900 --> 01:16:44,580
with Epic pharma solutions.

1689
01:16:44,580 --> 01:16:51,860
6.4 ordinance number 4429 dash
2627 approving a special use

1690
01:16:51,860 --> 01:16:55,260
request for the operations
of an automobile repair shop

1691
01:16:55,260 --> 01:16:59,180
at 912 South second case Sioux.

1692
01:16:59,180 --> 01:17:05,940
2026036.5 ordinance number 4430.

1693
01:17:05,940 --> 01:17:09,580
2627 approving a
variance to allow

1694
01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:11,940
for the construction
of a second driveway

1695
01:17:11,940 --> 01:17:15,220
and approach at 18 Ashwood lane.

1696
01:17:15,220 --> 01:17:22,300
Case V20620260366.

1697
01:17:22,300 --> 01:17:28,790
Ordinance number 4431 26 27,
approving a map Amendment

1698
01:17:28,790 --> 01:17:32,630
to rezone the vacant property
located adjacent to lots

1699
01:17:32,630 --> 01:17:37,590
13, 14, and 15 of the dawn on
the lake subdivision along Foot

1700
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:41,630
drive from AG agriculture
to re one family

1701
01:17:41,630 --> 01:17:43,970
residential estate district.

1702
01:17:43,970 --> 01:17:50,330
Case 2026026.7.

1703
01:17:50,330 --> 01:17:57,630
Resolution number 473 26 27
approving a council permission

1704
01:17:57,630 --> 01:18:04,190
for Roger Brotherton to utilize
old police vehicle logos on a 63

1705
01:18:04,190 --> 01:18:07,270
Plymouth Belvedere vehicle
as a historic replica

1706
01:18:07,270 --> 01:18:08,630
to be on display.

1707
01:18:08,630 --> 01:18:16,190
Second Motion made by Mr.
Abel and second by MS hohimer.

1708
01:18:16,190 --> 01:18:19,850
Any questions or comments and
concerns on the consent agenda.

1709
01:18:19,850 --> 01:18:23,200


1710
01:18:23,200 --> 01:18:24,060
Seeing none.

1711
01:18:24,060 --> 01:18:25,420
Council, take your vote, please.

1712
01:18:25,420 --> 01:18:31,760


1713
01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:35,880
Motion passes 7 0.

1714
01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:39,200
We have now come down to
presentations, communications,

1715
01:18:39,200 --> 01:18:40,620
petitions and reports.

1716
01:18:40,620 --> 01:18:42,700
I'm going to give you once
again the mayor's report.

1717
01:18:42,700 --> 01:18:45,240
It's not going to be near
as long as last time,

1718
01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:48,240
because I had so many things
that I wanted to bring

1719
01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:52,420
to your attention on how
hard our city, our staff,

1720
01:18:52,420 --> 01:18:55,760
we are working very hard
to bring in new businesses

1721
01:18:55,760 --> 01:18:59,200
here in town and
making our city grow.

1722
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:02,620
But I do want to tell
you a few things.

1723
01:19:02,620 --> 01:19:05,320
That last time I
said that Excalibur

1724
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,900
seasoning that they were on.

1725
01:19:07,900 --> 01:19:10,040
They're still on pace,
on track to finish

1726
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:15,280
by the end of September they're
almost doubling in their size.

1727
01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:16,560
Let's see.

1728
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:18,780
Electronic hydrogen is working.

1729
01:19:18,780 --> 01:19:24,170
They are doing renewable energy
contract for wind and solar

1730
01:19:24,170 --> 01:19:25,270
on their facility.

1731
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:26,970
I'd stated that last
time and they're

1732
01:19:26,970 --> 01:19:29,050
moving forward with that.

1733
01:19:29,050 --> 01:19:32,410
The city currently
has an RFP to purchase

1734
01:19:32,410 --> 01:19:35,810
the sale of eight
acres out in the river

1735
01:19:35,810 --> 01:19:37,730
Riverway business park.

1736
01:19:37,730 --> 01:19:40,790
We don't have a lot of
land out there left,

1737
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:44,530
but we do have these eight acres
that is by the frontage road

1738
01:19:44,530 --> 01:19:46,570
for a local contractor to.

1739
01:19:46,570 --> 01:19:48,890
He's expressed
interest in building

1740
01:19:48,890 --> 01:19:51,490
a new facility out that way.

1741
01:19:51,490 --> 01:19:56,130
City staff has begun
discussing a 30 to a 40 acre

1742
01:19:56,130 --> 01:20:00,610
sale of looting and property
for a state for excuse

1743
01:20:00,610 --> 01:20:03,710
me for residential development.

1744
01:20:03,710 --> 01:20:06,650
So this will be the second
thing that we're moving

1745
01:20:06,650 --> 01:20:08,810
forward with lutken property.

1746
01:20:08,810 --> 01:20:14,110
And this is off of 98
highway 98, our audits.

1747
01:20:14,110 --> 01:20:17,010
I had said how proud I am.

1748
01:20:17,010 --> 01:20:19,260
It's almost unheard
of how we are

1749
01:20:19,260 --> 01:20:21,300
getting these audits caught up.

1750
01:20:21,300 --> 01:20:23,340
When I first became
mayor, we were

1751
01:20:23,340 --> 01:20:25,060
four years behind in audits.

1752
01:20:25,060 --> 01:20:27,020
Just those four
years and the three

1753
01:20:27,020 --> 01:20:30,180
years that I've been mayor by.

1754
01:20:30,180 --> 01:20:36,180
Let's see, by November 2025,
audit will be completed

1755
01:20:36,180 --> 01:20:40,460
and then 2026 audit will
start shortly afterwards.

1756
01:20:40,460 --> 01:20:44,780
And as I stated, that will
be seven years of audits.

1757
01:20:44,780 --> 01:20:47,240
That is unheard of.

1758
01:20:47,240 --> 01:20:49,420
Hats off once again to
the finance department

1759
01:20:49,420 --> 01:20:50,480
for the city of Beacon.

1760
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:53,380
Thank you so much.

1761
01:20:53,380 --> 01:20:55,060
A couple other things
that I want to mention

1762
01:20:55,060 --> 01:20:58,500
and that is with our finances.

1763
01:20:58,500 --> 01:21:04,460
I did speak with our Mr.
Dabrowski, the head of finance,

1764
01:21:04,460 --> 01:21:08,360
and we are trying to be so
transparent with where we are.

1765
01:21:08,360 --> 01:21:11,260
And right now we are a
quarter way into the year,

1766
01:21:11,260 --> 01:21:16,820
and we are pretty much on
track collecting a fourth

1767
01:21:16,820 --> 01:21:21,170
and dispersing a fourth
just going in there.

1768
01:21:21,170 --> 01:21:27,470
So as we get closer
to the year as a half,

1769
01:21:27,470 --> 01:21:29,810
I will be getting with
Mr. Dabrowski again.

1770
01:21:29,810 --> 01:21:33,530
But I do want you we want
to be so transparent,

1771
01:21:33,530 --> 01:21:35,630
but first and foremost
for him is not

1772
01:21:35,630 --> 01:21:39,630
to just keep the finances going,
but to get these audits done

1773
01:21:39,630 --> 01:21:40,410
and caught up.

1774
01:21:40,410 --> 01:21:43,550
So that will be his priority
is to get those audits

1775
01:21:43,550 --> 01:21:46,190
completely caught up.

1776
01:21:46,190 --> 01:21:50,390
Second thing, I am actually
going to pick on our fire

1777
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:54,550
chief, Mr. Trent Reese, today.

1778
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:57,650
We set a record.

1779
01:21:57,650 --> 01:21:59,110
I don't know that
we've ever sworn

1780
01:21:59,110 --> 01:22:01,830
in four officers at one time.

1781
01:22:01,830 --> 01:22:05,430
So I want to give you the
floor for just a minute

1782
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:09,230
to say how exciting it is,
what it means for the city

1783
01:22:09,230 --> 01:22:11,090
and your firefighters.

1784
01:22:11,090 --> 01:22:14,390


1785
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:15,410
Thank you.

1786
01:22:15,410 --> 01:22:17,690
Put you on the spot,
didn't I. Much appreciated.

1787
01:22:17,690 --> 01:22:20,410
I thought the
speeches were over.

1788
01:22:20,410 --> 01:22:21,870
Yeah so this morning we did.

1789
01:22:21,870 --> 01:22:24,810
We swore in four
new firefighters.

1790
01:22:24,810 --> 01:22:25,710
The group of them.

1791
01:22:25,710 --> 01:22:28,970
There's actually five that will
be going to the Academy starting

1792
01:22:28,970 --> 01:22:30,770
at 3:00 o'clock this afternoon.

1793
01:22:30,770 --> 01:22:32,610
There was a little
bit of an issue

1794
01:22:32,610 --> 01:22:35,250
with the timing of the Academy.

1795
01:22:35,250 --> 01:22:38,770
So they all got
sworn in, got all

1796
01:22:38,770 --> 01:22:42,330
their paperwork
handled, and then

1797
01:22:42,330 --> 01:22:43,790
made their way to the Academy.

1798
01:22:43,790 --> 01:22:47,150
So normally we like to have
them for a week prior to.

1799
01:22:47,150 --> 01:22:50,010
But that's not how it
worked out this time.

1800
01:22:50,010 --> 01:22:52,250
Pretty excited to have
four or five of them

1801
01:22:52,250 --> 01:22:56,790
go together because they
start that bond early.

1802
01:22:56,790 --> 01:22:59,630
They have each other to
lean on, to learn from,

1803
01:22:59,630 --> 01:23:01,570
because they come from all
kinds of different backgrounds

1804
01:23:01,570 --> 01:23:03,130
and walks of life.

1805
01:23:03,130 --> 01:23:09,390
So yeah, Nicole had to do four
of them today, swearing them in,

1806
01:23:09,390 --> 01:23:11,350
and they seem very excited.

1807
01:23:11,350 --> 01:23:14,220
We were very, very fortunate to
have a lot of family and friends

1808
01:23:14,220 --> 01:23:18,560
in the room to support
them on their first day,

1809
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,380
and that support will
be very, very important

1810
01:23:20,380 --> 01:23:22,180
throughout their career,
especially in the next three

1811
01:23:22,180 --> 01:23:26,260
years where they're doing
nothing but learning and maybe

1812
01:23:26,260 --> 01:23:27,760
getting yelled at a little bit.

1813
01:23:27,760 --> 01:23:30,500
Not too much, but a little bit.

1814
01:23:30,500 --> 01:23:34,660
But yeah, as we are a very
young fire department,

1815
01:23:34,660 --> 01:23:40,540
so every opportunity we have
to get them to some training

1816
01:23:40,540 --> 01:23:43,880
and work them through is
it's a good opportunity.

1817
01:23:43,880 --> 01:23:45,540
So pretty happy to have them.

1818
01:23:45,540 --> 01:23:46,040
Thank you.

1819
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:48,500
Those who came and
we wish them the best

1820
01:23:48,500 --> 01:23:51,180
and we'll do everything
to make them successful.

1821
01:23:51,180 --> 01:23:53,640
We had a full house and
it was really wonderful.

1822
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:57,000
You did an outstanding
job swearing them in this.

1823
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:00,420
This actually means that we
are finally full staffed.

1824
01:24:00,420 --> 01:24:04,740
And with that, I think that
will help with cutting back

1825
01:24:04,740 --> 01:24:07,380
on overtime, forcing people in.

1826
01:24:07,380 --> 01:24:09,360
So thank you very much
for your hard work.

1827
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:10,480
We appreciate everything.

1828
01:24:10,480 --> 01:24:14,390


1829
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:17,990
So that's all I
really wanted to say.

1830
01:24:17,990 --> 01:24:21,250
And once again, I thank
you all for coming,

1831
01:24:21,250 --> 01:24:24,430
letting us hear your voice.

1832
01:24:24,430 --> 01:24:28,150
We have tough decisions
up here, but we all

1833
01:24:28,150 --> 01:24:30,870
elected to be here and
make these tough decisions

1834
01:24:30,870 --> 01:24:33,570
and do what we feel is
right for the city of Pekin.

1835
01:24:33,570 --> 01:24:34,770
So thank you very much.

1836
01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:39,710


1837
01:24:39,710 --> 01:24:41,430
I have now come down
to item 8, which

1838
01:24:41,430 --> 01:24:43,630
is unfinished business
chair would entertain

1839
01:24:43,630 --> 01:24:47,230
a motion for 8.1, please.

1840
01:24:47,230 --> 01:24:51,870
Madam Mayor, I make a motion
that resolution number 468 dash

1841
01:24:51,870 --> 01:24:55,950
2627, approving
the annual contract

1842
01:24:55,950 --> 01:24:58,910
with flock safety for
license plate reading cameras

1843
01:24:58,910 --> 01:25:00,270
be approved.

1844
01:25:00,270 --> 01:25:03,130
Second Motion made
by Mr. hilston.

1845
01:25:03,130 --> 01:25:06,530
Second by Mr. Abel Mr. Dorsey.

1846
01:25:06,530 --> 01:25:09,480
Once again, thank you mayor.

1847
01:25:09,480 --> 01:25:11,380
This was tabled at
the last meeting.

1848
01:25:11,380 --> 01:25:16,280
I believe councils had some
individual or conversations

1849
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:17,500
with the chief on this.

1850
01:25:17,500 --> 01:25:20,380
I think he's available
to answer any questions.

1851
01:25:20,380 --> 01:25:22,960
I believe he's got
somebody available if he

1852
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:24,260
can't answer the question.

1853
01:25:24,260 --> 01:25:26,340
So I'll turn it over
to him and the council.

1854
01:25:26,340 --> 01:25:28,120
Perfect Thank you very much.

1855
01:25:28,120 --> 01:25:31,960
Does any council have any
questions for our police

1856
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:33,500
chief, Mr. Seth rennie?

1857
01:25:33,500 --> 01:25:36,720


1858
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,100
Thank you for being here, Seth.

1859
01:25:38,100 --> 01:25:40,800
Sorry, sorry, MS Phillips.

1860
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:45,000
There were some specific
concerns raised about how

1861
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:51,160
the flock cameras have been used
in Pekin, including the number

1862
01:25:51,160 --> 01:25:56,160
of searches, the
type of codes used,

1863
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:58,920
a particular case with
a potential misuse

1864
01:25:58,920 --> 01:26:04,320
by a local officer, and
questions about which

1865
01:26:04,320 --> 01:26:07,890
AI systems are is beacon using.

1866
01:26:07,890 --> 01:26:13,170
Can you clarify or expand or
answer any of those concerns.

1867
01:26:13,170 --> 01:26:18,210
Yeah so the question
on the I think

1868
01:26:18,210 --> 01:26:23,370
it was brought up
by Greg, as far as I

1869
01:26:23,370 --> 01:26:24,710
didn't want to misspeak on it.

1870
01:26:24,710 --> 01:26:28,010
So after the meeting last
time, I reached out and spoke

1871
01:26:28,010 --> 01:26:31,490
to our rep and it
was already said

1872
01:26:31,490 --> 01:26:34,490
but Phil Arnold is on
the line from flock

1873
01:26:34,490 --> 01:26:35,990
as a flock representative.

1874
01:26:35,990 --> 01:26:38,970
So everybody's aware.

1875
01:26:38,970 --> 01:26:42,490
So what we currently use is
what was basically described

1876
01:26:42,490 --> 01:26:45,710
by a lot of the members of
the audience that spoke,

1877
01:26:45,710 --> 01:26:49,810
Ryan and Zoe, that they're
all accurate in the sense

1878
01:26:49,810 --> 01:26:52,410
of what we use is AI.

1879
01:26:52,410 --> 01:26:55,870
That helps determine
the make, model, color.

1880
01:26:55,870 --> 01:26:57,030
Does it have a license plate.

1881
01:26:57,030 --> 01:26:58,770
Does it not have
a license plate.

1882
01:26:58,770 --> 01:27:04,570
But then flock also has a lot of
other options that we don't use.

1883
01:27:04,570 --> 01:27:07,430
Deconfliction connecting
incidents without a known

1884
01:27:07,430 --> 01:27:11,270
suspect, uncover
accomplice vehicles

1885
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:12,930
and detecting organized crime.

1886
01:27:12,930 --> 01:27:16,870
Those are all AI driven
options that they

1887
01:27:16,870 --> 01:27:20,450
use that we do not use.

1888
01:27:20,450 --> 01:27:23,630
So the AI that we're
currently using

1889
01:27:23,630 --> 01:27:27,870
is AI that helps capture
the data of the vehicle.

1890
01:27:27,870 --> 01:27:29,970
And so that is what
we're currently using.

1891
01:27:29,970 --> 01:27:32,910


1892
01:27:32,910 --> 01:27:34,930
So that specific question.

1893
01:27:34,930 --> 01:27:38,350


1894
01:27:38,350 --> 01:27:47,630
Do the cameras are they
able to pick up the drivers.

1895
01:27:47,630 --> 01:27:50,090
It's in the patent.

1896
01:27:50,090 --> 01:27:55,210
But I don't really I'm not sure
how the cameras are pointed.

1897
01:27:55,210 --> 01:27:57,610
And is it taking a picture.

1898
01:27:57,610 --> 01:27:59,870
Is it a stream.

1899
01:27:59,870 --> 01:28:03,920
Yeah so it's taking a picture
of the rear of the vehicle.

1900
01:28:03,920 --> 01:28:07,780
Fox says it doesn't capture
any facial recognition.

1901
01:28:07,780 --> 01:28:12,000
I can only speak from looking
at a lot of these photos

1902
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:15,000
and it's the rear
of the vehicle.

1903
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:17,380
So that is what's picked up.

1904
01:28:17,380 --> 01:28:20,400
I have looked at a lot of
these over the three years

1905
01:28:20,400 --> 01:28:22,320
that we've had
it, and I've never

1906
01:28:22,320 --> 01:28:25,880
seen any type
capture that you get

1907
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,600
any type of driver information.

1908
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:33,900
So I'm literally a lot of
it's off of my own experience.

1909
01:28:33,900 --> 01:28:35,460
That's just looking
at a lot of these.

1910
01:28:35,460 --> 01:28:38,960
That's what I've had
the experience of.

1911
01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:46,440
So I think it was
Ryan who asked about.

1912
01:28:46,440 --> 01:28:54,080
The 12,738 uses with
only 105 license plate.

1913
01:28:54,080 --> 01:28:59,120
And the general
category 99 invest.

1914
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:03,550
Can you tell me what are
those statistics mean.

1915
01:29:03,550 --> 01:29:04,890
What are we doing.

1916
01:29:04,890 --> 01:29:06,510
Yeah so I don't want to.

1917
01:29:06,510 --> 01:29:08,750
Clearly he got some
statistics from somewhere.

1918
01:29:08,750 --> 01:29:10,790
So you can tell he
does his homework.

1919
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:13,410
I don't want to misspeak
on whether those numbers

1920
01:29:13,410 --> 01:29:14,550
are accurate or not.

1921
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:18,530
I can't say that the
99 is a police code

1922
01:29:18,530 --> 01:29:20,650
for a person with a warrant.

1923
01:29:20,650 --> 01:29:23,990
So that is a code that we
use on a regular basis.

1924
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:26,530
And it is a search code.

1925
01:29:26,530 --> 01:29:30,270
And then invest is it would
be a warrant investigation.

1926
01:29:30,270 --> 01:29:32,750
So that is correct.

1927
01:29:32,750 --> 01:29:35,770
That would most likely be
police for lack of better

1928
01:29:35,770 --> 01:29:37,890
terms, police shorthand.

1929
01:29:37,890 --> 01:29:40,450
I will say that
those are all things,

1930
01:29:40,450 --> 01:29:46,610
as this situation with flock has
unfolded over the last 10 weeks

1931
01:29:46,610 --> 01:29:49,370
or whatever it's
been a hot topic.

1932
01:29:49,370 --> 01:29:52,010
That is something that we're
making sure that we're doing

1933
01:29:52,010 --> 01:29:54,390
a much more thorough job of.

1934
01:29:54,390 --> 01:29:57,690
When an officer does a search,
we have more information

1935
01:29:57,690 --> 01:30:05,220
in there, but overall that type
of search is a 99 investigation

1936
01:30:05,220 --> 01:30:08,340
is they're going trying to
locate someone with a warrant.

1937
01:30:08,340 --> 01:30:15,340
So if it says 105 license plate
searches versus they will call

1938
01:30:15,340 --> 01:30:23,060
them 13,000 searches in general
is and I know you didn't gather

1939
01:30:23,060 --> 01:30:24,540
the data, so it's
not really fair

1940
01:30:24,540 --> 01:30:26,740
to put you on the spot for it.

1941
01:30:26,740 --> 01:30:32,140
But can you imagine an
explanation that makes sense.

1942
01:30:32,140 --> 01:30:34,800
I mean, there are explanations.

1943
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:37,220
It depends on who's
doing those searches

1944
01:30:37,220 --> 01:30:40,380
and how long an
investigation took place.

1945
01:30:40,380 --> 01:30:44,140
If it's AI don't want to
misspeak because I don't know

1946
01:30:44,140 --> 01:30:47,580
who he was referencing, but it's
one of those like our detectives

1947
01:30:47,580 --> 01:30:52,180
that do a six month or a year
investigation of the cartel.

1948
01:30:52,180 --> 01:30:55,260
You could run if there's a
half a dozen vehicles that

1949
01:30:55,260 --> 01:30:59,990
are involved in the trafficking,
large kilo quantities of Meth

1950
01:30:59,990 --> 01:31:01,110
into the city.

1951
01:31:01,110 --> 01:31:06,510
Then they may run that
every day for a year.

1952
01:31:06,510 --> 01:31:08,310
And so they're
gathering that data

1953
01:31:08,310 --> 01:31:10,830
of when trips are happening.

1954
01:31:10,830 --> 01:31:14,030
The frequency where
the meet locations

1955
01:31:14,030 --> 01:31:16,490
are what cities,
that type of thing.

1956
01:31:16,490 --> 01:31:18,790
So as money drops
are going on, those

1957
01:31:18,790 --> 01:31:21,630
are all things of
investigative tools

1958
01:31:21,630 --> 01:31:24,770
that are being used to try
to get that information.

1959
01:31:24,770 --> 01:31:27,930
So it's one of those where
there is plausible explanations.

1960
01:31:27,930 --> 01:31:30,470
I don't want to misspeak and
speak on something that I don't

1961
01:31:30,470 --> 01:31:33,390
know what Ryan's referencing,
but just in general, there

1962
01:31:33,390 --> 01:31:36,510
are applications where
that could be the case,

1963
01:31:36,510 --> 01:31:39,790
and we have multiple
drug investigators

1964
01:31:39,790 --> 01:31:41,190
that that's all they do.

1965
01:31:41,190 --> 01:31:42,590
Very good.

1966
01:31:42,590 --> 01:31:44,770
I may have some
follow up questions,

1967
01:31:44,770 --> 01:31:46,650
but I'd like to give some
of the other counsel.

1968
01:31:46,650 --> 01:31:48,130
I know that Sharon
has a question,

1969
01:31:48,130 --> 01:31:49,410
but I think Mr. hills did.

1970
01:31:49,410 --> 01:31:50,890
Also, who would
like to go first.

1971
01:31:50,890 --> 01:31:51,850
Shut up to you.

1972
01:31:51,850 --> 01:31:53,110
Go for it.

1973
01:31:53,110 --> 01:31:57,560
I just wanted to let
everybody know that I

1974
01:31:57,560 --> 01:32:00,200
don't think your mic is on.

1975
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:00,860
Try it again.

1976
01:32:00,860 --> 01:32:02,280
Hello nope.

1977
01:32:02,280 --> 01:32:05,600
Hello here.

1978
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,880
Hello there you go.

1979
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:12,900
Sorry I'm sorry I was not able
to be here at the last meeting.

1980
01:32:12,900 --> 01:32:14,060
I was in Missouri.

1981
01:32:14,060 --> 01:32:16,900
My grandson had to have
a medical procedure.

1982
01:32:16,900 --> 01:32:20,920
And I am a loving grandmother
and wanted to be there for him

1983
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:23,480
and his brothers
and baby sister.

1984
01:32:23,480 --> 01:32:26,700
That being said, I did
watch the entire meeting,

1985
01:32:26,700 --> 01:32:29,780
and I did hear all of you speak.

1986
01:32:29,780 --> 01:32:32,320
I want you to know
that I listened

1987
01:32:32,320 --> 01:32:34,700
to it all, every minute of it.

1988
01:32:34,700 --> 01:32:38,280


1989
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:42,960
The irony behind this is
we've already had the flock

1990
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,900
cameras for three years.

1991
01:32:44,900 --> 01:32:49,120
We are literally going into
the last year of our four

1992
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:52,820
year contract for three years.

1993
01:32:52,820 --> 01:32:58,020
Not one soul has come in
here and said anything.

1994
01:32:58,020 --> 01:33:00,720
And now all of a
sudden, it's a big deal.

1995
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:03,180
I'm really unsure of that.

1996
01:33:03,180 --> 01:33:04,320
I will tell you.

1997
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:07,500
I spoke to four
people just today.

1998
01:33:07,500 --> 01:33:11,740
Two called me about other
issues and I said, by the way,

1999
01:33:11,740 --> 01:33:14,260
can I ask you.

2000
01:33:14,260 --> 01:33:16,180
I have to be honest with you.

2001
01:33:16,180 --> 01:33:19,380
Not one person cared.

2002
01:33:19,380 --> 01:33:23,820
They said if it saves a
life, if it keeps drugs out

2003
01:33:23,820 --> 01:33:29,940
of our community, I'm for
it and I will tell you

2004
01:33:29,940 --> 01:33:31,600
it has saved lives.

2005
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:33,560
It has absolutely saved.

2006
01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,600
I can tell you right now.

2007
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:41,180
Hand to God it has
saved lives Mr. ranney,

2008
01:33:41,180 --> 01:33:45,740
Chief ranney could
tell you that.

2009
01:33:45,740 --> 01:33:49,000
I got from Mr. Allen's letter.

2010
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:53,390
I read it thoroughly, and he
one thing he wrote in here

2011
01:33:53,390 --> 01:33:55,050
that I really respected.

2012
01:33:55,050 --> 01:33:58,910
It says I understand and
respect the legitimate concerns

2013
01:33:58,910 --> 01:34:00,550
surrounding privacy,
surveillance

2014
01:34:00,550 --> 01:34:04,590
and the potential misuse
of this type of technology.

2015
01:34:04,590 --> 01:34:07,910
Those concerns should
not simply be dismissed.

2016
01:34:07,910 --> 01:34:11,190
At the same time, I
now believe we also

2017
01:34:11,190 --> 01:34:16,670
need to carefully consider the
potential benefits in real world

2018
01:34:16,670 --> 01:34:19,790
situations in which
this technology could

2019
01:34:19,790 --> 01:34:23,950
help law enforcement
locate a missing child,

2020
01:34:23,950 --> 01:34:27,990
identify a subject,
suspect, or assist

2021
01:34:27,990 --> 01:34:30,830
in solving a serious crime.

2022
01:34:30,830 --> 01:34:36,070
If it saves one life, I
think we've done our job.

2023
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:41,390
This is the fourth year
of a four year contract.

2024
01:34:41,390 --> 01:34:43,430
It's something that
we would absolutely

2025
01:34:43,430 --> 01:34:47,230
want to look at in the future.

2026
01:34:47,230 --> 01:34:50,040
I'm not going to say
that this is perfect,

2027
01:34:50,040 --> 01:34:54,960
but I have to tell
you in my heart,

2028
01:34:54,960 --> 01:35:01,480
if one child is saved
from sex trafficking

2029
01:35:01,480 --> 01:35:05,540
or save from attempting
to unalive themselves.

2030
01:35:05,540 --> 01:35:09,880


2031
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:13,640
Then I absolutely 100%
will vote for this.

2032
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:17,420
Thank you Mr. hilst.

2033
01:35:17,420 --> 01:35:20,160


2034
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:23,500
I just got one quick question
in regards to the resolution.

2035
01:35:23,500 --> 01:35:26,800
It says that we're approving
the annual contract with flock

2036
01:35:26,800 --> 01:35:31,840
safety, but then the only
information that we really

2037
01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:35,640
have in our packet is
just a couple invoices

2038
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:37,640
for the price of the cameras.

2039
01:35:37,640 --> 01:35:41,640
Is there an actual contract
with language in it

2040
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:44,720
that talks about the
locations and the use

2041
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,260
and how the data is stored.

2042
01:35:46,260 --> 01:35:49,330
I mean, is there an
actual school contract

2043
01:35:49,330 --> 01:35:52,130
that we just haven't
been provided.

2044
01:35:52,130 --> 01:35:56,290
Or is the contract just
the cost of the cameras.

2045
01:35:56,290 --> 01:35:58,810
The contract is the
cost of the cameras.

2046
01:35:58,810 --> 01:36:00,850
I mean, we did an original
contract, if that's

2047
01:36:00,850 --> 01:36:03,770
your question, when
you initially passed it

2048
01:36:03,770 --> 01:36:07,750
unanimously the first time, then
all of that was in the contract.

2049
01:36:07,750 --> 01:36:12,270
This is part of the four year
grant that we were awarded.

2050
01:36:12,270 --> 01:36:13,790
It wasn't a four year contract.

2051
01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:18,090
It's a year by year and this
year is just the invoices.

2052
01:36:18,090 --> 01:36:19,690
The contract is
the same contract

2053
01:36:19,690 --> 01:36:21,110
that was already approved.

2054
01:36:21,110 --> 01:36:24,590
This is just an
invoice for this year.

2055
01:36:24,590 --> 01:36:27,530


2056
01:36:27,530 --> 01:36:29,530
But where is that contract.

2057
01:36:29,530 --> 01:36:32,610
I mean, why wasn't that
provided in our packet.

2058
01:36:32,610 --> 01:36:34,490
Because it's the same
contract that was passed

2059
01:36:34,490 --> 01:36:35,870
for the past three years.

2060
01:36:35,870 --> 01:36:37,470
And I understand that.

2061
01:36:37,470 --> 01:36:40,650
But there's been a lot
of information brought up

2062
01:36:40,650 --> 01:36:45,410
in the last two or three months
that could pertain to language

2063
01:36:45,410 --> 01:36:47,380
in that contract that
maybe wasn't picked

2064
01:36:47,380 --> 01:36:50,380
up on three years ago
when that contract was

2065
01:36:50,380 --> 01:36:53,260
originally approved.

2066
01:36:53,260 --> 01:36:56,680
Yeah I mean, it's the
same contract that we are.

2067
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,500
Just what is brought forth this
year is to just do like you have

2068
01:37:00,500 --> 01:37:04,180
the last two years, and it's
the same contract with just

2069
01:37:04,180 --> 01:37:06,500
the fourth year payment.

2070
01:37:06,500 --> 01:37:08,080
That's all I have.

2071
01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:09,380
Thank you.

2072
01:37:09,380 --> 01:37:12,820
I do want to say that we
have had these last two

2073
01:37:12,820 --> 01:37:16,900
weeks to ask the chief to
see that contract if we

2074
01:37:16,900 --> 01:37:19,140
needed to again.

2075
01:37:19,140 --> 01:37:24,940
So I think he's being very
transparent with us all.

2076
01:37:24,940 --> 01:37:28,760
Did you have more MS Phillips.

2077
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:30,660
Oh Dave did.

2078
01:37:30,660 --> 01:37:31,240
Oh, yeah.

2079
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:34,700
I got questions.

2080
01:37:34,700 --> 01:37:39,500
So thank you to everybody
that brought the information.

2081
01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:41,040
Every time you guys
bring something,

2082
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:42,340
there's something else.

2083
01:37:42,340 --> 01:37:48,800
And I got three pages of notes,
so he only gets five minutes.

2084
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:50,960
I can do this in five.

2085
01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:56,700
So one of the biggest concerns
is the access of the data.

2086
01:37:56,700 --> 01:38:01,240
So I'm going to pose
this to the chief.

2087
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:05,080
A town in Washington,
the state of

2088
01:38:05,080 --> 01:38:08,920
wants to access
something in Pekin.

2089
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,240
Step me through the process.

2090
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,720
We don't share outside
of the state of Illinois.

2091
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:15,580
Are you sure.

2092
01:38:15,580 --> 01:38:21,120
100% I mean, just if you're
asking me what I have control

2093
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:24,880
over and the information
that I'm provided by flock,

2094
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:31,440
there were times where
we have shared outside.

2095
01:38:31,440 --> 01:38:34,460
But last year when I think
someone already brought it up.

2096
01:38:34,460 --> 01:38:37,600
But when the Secretary
of State did the audit

2097
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,820
and we found that was
not being used properly,

2098
01:38:40,820 --> 01:38:42,970
flock was sharing
information, then

2099
01:38:42,970 --> 01:38:46,250
we utilize the ability
to make it so we

2100
01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:49,570
only share within the state.

2101
01:38:49,570 --> 01:38:52,570
It's been a progression.

2102
01:38:52,570 --> 01:38:57,530
It's not like it's one of those
things where as this has gone on

2103
01:38:57,530 --> 01:39:01,330
and things have been
brought up, we try to listen

2104
01:39:01,330 --> 01:39:03,810
and we make changes
to try to ensure

2105
01:39:03,810 --> 01:39:06,850
that a lot of these things that
are brought up don't happen.

2106
01:39:06,850 --> 01:39:11,670
And so it's one of those where
when we were told that hey,

2107
01:39:11,670 --> 01:39:13,490
this is what it
was being used for.

2108
01:39:13,490 --> 01:39:16,170
And then as it has
progressed, now we just share

2109
01:39:16,170 --> 01:39:17,650
within the state of Illinois.

2110
01:39:17,650 --> 01:39:23,890
So here comes the caveat is that
in the contract, does it state

2111
01:39:23,890 --> 01:39:25,330
anywhere in this
contract because I

2112
01:39:25,330 --> 01:39:28,450
haven't read it again,
honestly, that's

2113
01:39:28,450 --> 01:39:30,290
completely at our control.

2114
01:39:30,290 --> 01:39:33,470
So that is local control.

2115
01:39:33,470 --> 01:39:36,930
Yes OK.

2116
01:39:36,930 --> 01:39:37,770
Very good.

2117
01:39:37,770 --> 01:39:39,750
I go get somebody else.

2118
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:42,420
I got to write
something down here.

2119
01:39:42,420 --> 01:39:44,260
Did anyone over
here have a question

2120
01:39:44,260 --> 01:39:45,440
Because MS Phillips does.

2121
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:49,460
But I'm checking just Mr. Abel.

2122
01:39:49,460 --> 01:39:52,660
I guess I've been asked
20 times at least.

2123
01:39:52,660 --> 01:39:54,960
Where have you people
been for three years.

2124
01:39:54,960 --> 01:39:56,000
People that said.

2125
01:39:56,000 --> 01:39:57,280
Well, they knew we had it.

2126
01:39:57,280 --> 01:39:58,660
I had to couple had
to go out and show em

2127
01:39:58,660 --> 01:39:59,740
where the cameras were.

2128
01:39:59,740 --> 01:40:01,340
They didn't know where
they were, what they were

2129
01:40:01,340 --> 01:40:04,140
actually being heard about.

2130
01:40:04,140 --> 01:40:06,300
But they kept saying,
where have all these people

2131
01:40:06,300 --> 01:40:07,640
been for three years.

2132
01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:09,300
What changed.

2133
01:40:09,300 --> 01:40:10,440
I said, nothing changed.

2134
01:40:10,440 --> 01:40:13,860
I know we're renewing
a last of a contract.

2135
01:40:13,860 --> 01:40:16,620
So that is.

2136
01:40:16,620 --> 01:40:20,220
And I think you've heard the
chief talk about instances where

2137
01:40:20,220 --> 01:40:22,820
it has actually saved
somebody's life,

2138
01:40:22,820 --> 01:40:25,420
found somebody that
was lost with dementia

2139
01:40:25,420 --> 01:40:27,300
in the city of Pekin.

2140
01:40:27,300 --> 01:40:29,300
Everything's going to
have its downside where

2141
01:40:29,300 --> 01:40:30,600
it's made by human beings.

2142
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:31,960
So it's going to have mistakes.

2143
01:40:31,960 --> 01:40:37,460
Yeah, but the good
far outweighs the bad,

2144
01:40:37,460 --> 01:40:41,110
and I'm not going
to vote against it.

2145
01:40:41,110 --> 01:40:43,550
There's too many way
too many positives

2146
01:40:43,550 --> 01:40:49,770
outweigh the negatives Mr.
Fletcher, you're good for now.

2147
01:40:49,770 --> 01:40:57,470
OK MS Phillips, a follow
up question for chief Raney

2148
01:40:57,470 --> 01:41:01,590
or a question I forgot
to ask the first time.

2149
01:41:01,590 --> 01:41:04,830
One of the handouts
of information

2150
01:41:04,830 --> 01:41:08,190
that we've been
provided from the public

2151
01:41:08,190 --> 01:41:13,990
mentioned that the ice had
access to our system in January.

2152
01:41:13,990 --> 01:41:16,990
Can you give us any
more details about that.

2153
01:41:16,990 --> 01:41:21,590
Yeah so we saw that also in
the information that we have

2154
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:25,390
is that it was actually the
ATF and that it was part

2155
01:41:25,390 --> 01:41:30,070
of a criminal investigation
not related to immigration

2156
01:41:30,070 --> 01:41:32,750
or any of the things
that are off limits.

2157
01:41:32,750 --> 01:41:37,340
Other than that, I don't want to
speak to why that was accessed.

2158
01:41:37,340 --> 01:41:43,160


2159
01:41:43,160 --> 01:41:46,320
Any other Mr. Fletcher.

2160
01:41:46,320 --> 01:41:53,360
So I think the biggest
problem the public has

2161
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:55,700
is not the cameras themselves.

2162
01:41:55,700 --> 01:42:00,880
It's the expectation or the
worry of the information

2163
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,240
being used for
the wrong purposes

2164
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:05,720
and not being able
to be tracked.

2165
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:07,720
I totally understand it.

2166
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:12,140
I don't like my privacy
being invaded either.

2167
01:42:12,140 --> 01:42:14,920


2168
01:42:14,920 --> 01:42:19,800
I understand that it's a great
tool for the police officers

2169
01:42:19,800 --> 01:42:22,760
for peaking and beyond.

2170
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:28,440
But what I would like
to see, and I know

2171
01:42:28,440 --> 01:42:30,460
that Chief rayney does this.

2172
01:42:30,460 --> 01:42:33,770
I would like to see
him continue to be

2173
01:42:33,770 --> 01:42:39,730
diligent in checking on his
officers and more education

2174
01:42:39,730 --> 01:42:41,370
on his officers.

2175
01:42:41,370 --> 01:42:46,350
And ultimately, it does
come down to Chief Raney.

2176
01:42:46,350 --> 01:42:49,050


2177
01:42:49,050 --> 01:42:50,770
Being in charge of this.

2178
01:42:50,770 --> 01:42:55,090
We give him the
tools as a council

2179
01:42:55,090 --> 01:42:57,390
to do what's best for
the citizens of Pekin,

2180
01:42:57,390 --> 01:43:00,030
and then he has
to run with that.

2181
01:43:00,030 --> 01:43:01,870
And I think so far
he's done a good job.

2182
01:43:01,870 --> 01:43:04,610
Now, if there's stuff
I haven't heard,

2183
01:43:04,610 --> 01:43:08,570
I'm not saying
that's not possible,

2184
01:43:08,570 --> 01:43:13,710
but my feeling is that the
good outweighs the bad.

2185
01:43:13,710 --> 01:43:16,370
But I will ask and
I will continue

2186
01:43:16,370 --> 01:43:19,890
to ask questions because
this is just it's

2187
01:43:19,890 --> 01:43:22,270
not over with the governor.

2188
01:43:22,270 --> 01:43:25,410
There's court cases
ongoing that could change

2189
01:43:25,410 --> 01:43:28,290
everything that
we're talking about,

2190
01:43:28,290 --> 01:43:30,650
and this contract
will be up again.

2191
01:43:30,650 --> 01:43:34,510
There may be competitors in
the markets in the space,

2192
01:43:34,510 --> 01:43:37,850
so we don't know what's going
to happen a year from now,

2193
01:43:37,850 --> 01:43:40,950
but it will be debated
a year from now again.

2194
01:43:40,950 --> 01:43:45,270
And I just will hope, and
I expect that the chief

2195
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:48,910
will do what he
needs to do to keep

2196
01:43:48,910 --> 01:43:51,670
the system from being abused.

2197
01:43:51,670 --> 01:43:52,790
Thank you.

2198
01:43:52,790 --> 01:43:54,330
Thanks, Mr. Fletcher.

2199
01:43:54,330 --> 01:43:56,310
I couldn't have
said that better.

2200
01:43:56,310 --> 01:44:01,270
Thank you Mr. Nader, did you
have something else, or did

2201
01:44:01,270 --> 01:44:02,990
MS Phillips.

2202
01:44:02,990 --> 01:44:04,150
Your turn.

2203
01:44:04,150 --> 01:44:05,510
All right.

2204
01:44:05,510 --> 01:44:07,650
So I just want to
clarify something,

2205
01:44:07,650 --> 01:44:09,830
and I think Chief
will back this up.

2206
01:44:09,830 --> 01:44:13,690
None of those cameras
are on private property.

2207
01:44:13,690 --> 01:44:14,710
That's correct.

2208
01:44:14,710 --> 01:44:17,310
So that leads into.

2209
01:44:17,310 --> 01:44:21,230
Does that camera have
the width, the broadband

2210
01:44:21,230 --> 01:44:24,110
to look at private property.

2211
01:44:24,110 --> 01:44:25,730
Well hold on.

2212
01:44:25,730 --> 01:44:27,410
Let him answer, please.

2213
01:44:27,410 --> 01:44:28,870
Quiet in the audience.

2214
01:44:28,870 --> 01:44:32,440
The focus is on
the lane of travel.

2215
01:44:32,440 --> 01:44:34,660
Is it specific on
the lane of travel.

2216
01:44:34,660 --> 01:44:37,180
There are things on
the outside sidewalks,

2217
01:44:37,180 --> 01:44:39,300
things like that it can pick up.

2218
01:44:39,300 --> 01:44:42,280
But as far as what it's
actually focused on,

2219
01:44:42,280 --> 01:44:46,100
it's not on persons residences
or things like that.

2220
01:44:46,100 --> 01:44:48,200
So it's one of those where I'm
not saying that there's not

2221
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:49,600
something on the
peripheral that you

2222
01:44:49,600 --> 01:44:52,280
might pick up but
most of them are

2223
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:54,740
in really high traffic areas.

2224
01:44:54,740 --> 01:44:58,280
So the original intent when
we passed this contract

2225
01:44:58,280 --> 01:45:03,200
was to look at the
license plate, whatever

2226
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:06,320
flock does with that
information peripheral

2227
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:08,680
to that we can't control.

2228
01:45:08,680 --> 01:45:11,520
We can't control
if they're doing

2229
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:16,040
something with the data
for the development of AI,

2230
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:17,360
which they are.

2231
01:45:17,360 --> 01:45:21,200
And everybody's got to be naive
if they don't think they are.

2232
01:45:21,200 --> 01:45:23,840
The products are being overseas.

2233
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,020
They're doing all
kinds of information.

2234
01:45:26,020 --> 01:45:29,810
They're developing
logarithms, logarithms

2235
01:45:29,810 --> 01:45:31,650
for a multitude of things.

2236
01:45:31,650 --> 01:45:34,250
However, we got to look
at the original intent

2237
01:45:34,250 --> 01:45:36,410
why we bought them.

2238
01:45:36,410 --> 01:45:41,650
It was to help capture
perpetrators in the city

2239
01:45:41,650 --> 01:45:45,530
or to help another city
catch a perpetrator.

2240
01:45:45,530 --> 01:45:51,090
Unfortunately, floc has
expanded what they're doing.

2241
01:45:51,090 --> 01:45:54,810
In my personal opinion,
it's all about the money.

2242
01:45:54,810 --> 01:45:57,330
Who's getting the money.

2243
01:45:57,330 --> 01:45:58,270
I don't know.

2244
01:45:58,270 --> 01:46:01,530
I don't know who owns floc.

2245
01:46:01,530 --> 01:46:03,610
We hear floc.

2246
01:46:03,610 --> 01:46:07,170
So is it a Black Ops.

2247
01:46:07,170 --> 01:46:08,270
Is it China.

2248
01:46:08,270 --> 01:46:10,590
Is it some other foreign state.

2249
01:46:10,590 --> 01:46:11,930
I don't know.

2250
01:46:11,930 --> 01:46:17,090
But as Mr. Fletcher said,
that's out of our control.

2251
01:46:17,090 --> 01:46:21,010
We're looking at cameras
for license plate readers

2252
01:46:21,010 --> 01:46:23,710
to find perpetrators.

2253
01:46:23,710 --> 01:46:26,250
And I'll use an example.

2254
01:46:26,250 --> 01:46:31,020
You're at sefcu and two
people come in masked up

2255
01:46:31,020 --> 01:46:34,260
and you're an
innocent bystander.

2256
01:46:34,260 --> 01:46:38,140
And they robbed the bank, and
they shoot and kill somebody.

2257
01:46:38,140 --> 01:46:39,760
Yep guess what.

2258
01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:41,660
Sefcu got cameras.

2259
01:46:41,660 --> 01:46:43,540
They definitely do.

2260
01:46:43,540 --> 01:46:46,580
But what if I'm the citizen
sitting out in the parking lot

2261
01:46:46,580 --> 01:46:51,540
and happens to give a
description of that vehicle.

2262
01:46:51,540 --> 01:46:54,180
The flock cameras
more than likely

2263
01:46:54,180 --> 01:46:57,660
are going to catch that vehicle
going in or out of this city.

2264
01:46:57,660 --> 01:46:59,660
That is the intent.

2265
01:46:59,660 --> 01:47:02,540
It's not to reduce crime.

2266
01:47:02,540 --> 01:47:07,860
It's to catch the perpetrators
that committed the crime.

2267
01:47:07,860 --> 01:47:11,280
So unfortunately,
it's like big systems.

2268
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:12,620
AI is big.

2269
01:47:12,620 --> 01:47:17,660
I just watched a robot
run and beat Bolt's record

2270
01:47:17,660 --> 01:47:19,500
or whatever it was.

2271
01:47:19,500 --> 01:47:21,500
It was a robot.

2272
01:47:21,500 --> 01:47:23,760
OK, well, that had
to be developed.

2273
01:47:23,760 --> 01:47:27,130
So we buy the cameras
for a specific reason.

2274
01:47:27,130 --> 01:47:29,310
The AI goes out there
and does something

2275
01:47:29,310 --> 01:47:33,450
else unless we write something
specific in a contract.

2276
01:47:33,450 --> 01:47:37,410
And I don't think that may
even not even be a possibility,

2277
01:47:37,410 --> 01:47:38,310
I don't know.

2278
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:41,870
But I agree with Mr. Fletcher,
as we move forward, we

2279
01:47:41,870 --> 01:47:45,950
need to do better on the
audits and the looking

2280
01:47:45,950 --> 01:47:47,650
and what's available.

2281
01:47:47,650 --> 01:47:52,110
The state attorney general has
come out with multiple things

2282
01:47:52,110 --> 01:47:55,850
saying this is illegal,
and I'm glad he did.

2283
01:47:55,850 --> 01:48:00,030
I mean, it's a step in
the right direction.

2284
01:48:00,030 --> 01:48:03,350
This is one of those tough
ones that I got to say,

2285
01:48:03,350 --> 01:48:08,110
if you look at what the
camera was intended to do

2286
01:48:08,110 --> 01:48:10,310
and what it's being
provided, and I've

2287
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:15,230
talked to multiple police
officers and multiple citizens

2288
01:48:15,230 --> 01:48:18,510
and they're in favor of them.

2289
01:48:18,510 --> 01:48:21,550
I appreciate
everybody's input here.

2290
01:48:21,550 --> 01:48:24,230
But man, there's so much
data coming out of this.

2291
01:48:24,230 --> 01:48:26,850
I don't know how we
keep our head around it,

2292
01:48:26,850 --> 01:48:29,090
but I appreciate the input.

2293
01:48:29,090 --> 01:48:31,110
We'll see where it
shakes out in the vote.

2294
01:48:31,110 --> 01:48:33,770


2295
01:48:33,770 --> 01:48:37,890
I'm just going to
say one quick thing.

2296
01:48:37,890 --> 01:48:41,130
I think that our
police department

2297
01:48:41,130 --> 01:48:43,230
has done great on audits.

2298
01:48:43,230 --> 01:48:46,750
I said that we need to
do better Mr. Nutter.

2299
01:48:46,750 --> 01:48:50,230
Yes we can always do better.

2300
01:48:50,230 --> 01:48:51,750
You can always
improve and do better.

2301
01:48:51,750 --> 01:48:53,170
Yes, we always can.

2302
01:48:53,170 --> 01:48:54,970
Yes, we always can.

2303
01:48:54,970 --> 01:48:57,670
We have not made
huge, huge mistakes.

2304
01:48:57,670 --> 01:49:01,530
So, MS Phillips,
did you have more.

2305
01:49:01,530 --> 01:49:06,850
Oh, boy, do I have a lot
of thoughts about this.

2306
01:49:06,850 --> 01:49:15,790
I have spent hours
every day since we met.

2307
01:49:15,790 --> 01:49:22,220
Last I was already aware
of the headlines that

2308
01:49:22,220 --> 01:49:28,060
are hitting my news, I know.

2309
01:49:28,060 --> 01:49:32,340
Not everybody gets the
same news feeds we do.

2310
01:49:32,340 --> 01:49:39,080
And I've read the articles
and I've researched them.

2311
01:49:39,080 --> 01:49:42,780
I have talked to.

2312
01:49:42,780 --> 01:49:46,020
Domestic backup for a second.

2313
01:49:46,020 --> 01:49:49,900
I've talked to friends, family,
everybody I can talk to about

2314
01:49:49,900 --> 01:49:53,740
this from all
different walks of life

2315
01:49:53,740 --> 01:50:00,020
and all of the tech concerns,
the privacy concerns,

2316
01:50:00,020 --> 01:50:01,700
those are valid.

2317
01:50:01,700 --> 01:50:04,420
And I don't necessarily want
to take up my time going

2318
01:50:04,420 --> 01:50:09,420
into a lot of that, because
I know you guys want us to go

2319
01:50:09,420 --> 01:50:14,500
on with our lives here, but.

2320
01:50:14,500 --> 01:50:20,510
Amongst my friends, one of the
first things that was brought up

2321
01:50:20,510 --> 01:50:24,350
was, well, we can't
have those cameras

2322
01:50:24,350 --> 01:50:26,510
because there are abusive
cops out there who

2323
01:50:26,510 --> 01:50:29,710
will track their girlfriends.

2324
01:50:29,710 --> 01:50:37,590
And we know that some
types of abusive people

2325
01:50:37,590 --> 01:50:41,870
are attracted to
professions that give

2326
01:50:41,870 --> 01:50:43,970
them access to people to abuse.

2327
01:50:43,970 --> 01:50:46,990


2328
01:50:46,990 --> 01:50:53,710
So what I did was I reached out
to domestic violence advocates

2329
01:50:53,710 --> 01:50:54,930
and I said, what.

2330
01:50:54,930 --> 01:50:57,150
What's happening on the ground.

2331
01:50:57,150 --> 01:51:00,790
You're there is this happening.

2332
01:51:00,790 --> 01:51:05,250
And they said no, that
they haven't seen that.

2333
01:51:05,250 --> 01:51:09,470
What they've seen instead is
that the cameras are helping

2334
01:51:09,470 --> 01:51:14,190
us catch the abusers
when they're violating

2335
01:51:14,190 --> 01:51:17,160
the protection orders.

2336
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:21,460
It makes it easier
to protect people.

2337
01:51:21,460 --> 01:51:25,120


2338
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:29,800
As far as you've all
done amazing jobs

2339
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:33,140
on bringing information to us
and I appreciate that a lot.

2340
01:51:33,140 --> 01:51:36,400


2341
01:51:36,400 --> 01:51:40,520
I personally.

2342
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:44,400
Can think of several
reasons that someone

2343
01:51:44,400 --> 01:51:52,080
might choose to misuse a flock
or any surveillance system

2344
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:54,600
against me.

2345
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:58,680
And I know that there are
members of the audience who

2346
01:51:58,680 --> 01:52:01,200
are in communities
that are often

2347
01:52:01,200 --> 01:52:07,640
targeted by people with access
to these kinds of things.

2348
01:52:07,640 --> 01:52:11,400
And as a member of one
of those communities,

2349
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:13,840
I've always since the
first time I signed

2350
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:17,290
my name on something I said.

2351
01:52:17,290 --> 01:52:25,650
I'm on a list and I have been
to protest where I have carried

2352
01:52:25,650 --> 01:52:28,890
a sign that maybe somebody
might disagree with,

2353
01:52:28,890 --> 01:52:31,070
maybe a thin skinned politician.

2354
01:52:31,070 --> 01:52:34,290


2355
01:52:34,290 --> 01:52:38,450
And I'm on the city council.

2356
01:52:38,450 --> 01:52:43,330
If we had a corrupt
police department,

2357
01:52:43,330 --> 01:52:46,690
it would be in the
corrupt police's

2358
01:52:46,690 --> 01:52:50,330
benefit to use these
cameras in a way

2359
01:52:50,330 --> 01:52:52,790
to track politicians like us.

2360
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:56,450
We're not politicians,
really, but to track people

2361
01:52:56,450 --> 01:53:03,650
in public office and use that
information to get us unelected.

2362
01:53:03,650 --> 01:53:10,890
And I mention these things
because when I've sat down

2363
01:53:10,890 --> 01:53:16,020
and I've soul searched
on this question.

2364
01:53:16,020 --> 01:53:19,700
I said, OK, what's the worst
case in both scenarios.

2365
01:53:19,700 --> 01:53:23,300
What's the worst case
if we get rid of flac?

2366
01:53:23,300 --> 01:53:26,140
What's the worst
case if we keep it.

2367
01:53:26,140 --> 01:53:31,680
For me personally, this
is not the big picture.

2368
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:36,300
This is bringing it all
the way down to the person.

2369
01:53:36,300 --> 01:53:43,260
And I personally decided
that the worst thing

2370
01:53:43,260 --> 01:53:48,620
is if I had to stand in
front of a parent in Pekin,

2371
01:53:48,620 --> 01:53:50,640
which these are
not hypotheticals.

2372
01:53:50,640 --> 01:53:53,020
These are real situations
that we've already

2373
01:53:53,020 --> 01:53:59,460
had in this community and
say, not even say it, but know

2374
01:53:59,460 --> 01:54:05,620
in the pit of my stomach that
we could be finding that person

2375
01:54:05,620 --> 01:54:11,760
we're missing, but we don't
have this tool anymore,

2376
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:15,480
and that person right
now is out there.

2377
01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:18,920
We don't know where they are.

2378
01:54:18,920 --> 01:54:25,120
I could not I would hate to be
standing in front of that person

2379
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:29,000
and say I chose.

2380
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:31,940
To do away with the tool that
could be helping you right now.

2381
01:54:31,940 --> 01:54:37,320
When we know in real life that
this has helped people in Pekin.

2382
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:43,940
And I think it's
even more troubling,

2383
01:54:43,940 --> 01:54:49,960
as a council member to say, I'm
going to take away this tool

2384
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:51,600
and I'm not going
to stand in front

2385
01:54:51,600 --> 01:54:55,480
of that person, because
more often than not,

2386
01:54:55,480 --> 01:55:00,040
when this situation occurs that
we're trying to find someone

2387
01:55:00,040 --> 01:55:05,560
urgently, the police isn't
calling in the council, the fire

2388
01:55:05,560 --> 01:55:08,400
department, when they're
trying to respond

2389
01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:13,170
to a situation in cooperation
with this police department.

2390
01:55:13,170 --> 01:55:16,250
They're not bringing us in it.

2391
01:55:16,250 --> 01:55:22,490
They're the ones standing there
with a fist in their stomach

2392
01:55:22,490 --> 01:55:25,090
saying, if only I had
this tool, I might

2393
01:55:25,090 --> 01:55:26,750
be able to save that person.

2394
01:55:26,750 --> 01:55:29,970


2395
01:55:29,970 --> 01:55:34,870
I am assuming the risk
that we won't have it,

2396
01:55:34,870 --> 01:55:37,450
and delegating
the responsibility

2397
01:55:37,450 --> 01:55:42,010
for facing the bad
situation that we're in.

2398
01:55:42,010 --> 01:55:45,390
And we have.

2399
01:55:45,390 --> 01:55:48,330


2400
01:55:48,330 --> 01:55:52,130
I have a lot of friends
who are first responders.

2401
01:55:52,130 --> 01:55:53,290
Define a lot.

2402
01:55:53,290 --> 01:55:57,490
I have a couple of friends
who are first responders.

2403
01:55:57,490 --> 01:56:02,690
And the things that
they see, the things

2404
01:56:02,690 --> 01:56:04,630
that they protect us from.

2405
01:56:04,630 --> 01:56:07,580


2406
01:56:07,580 --> 01:56:14,220
It's tragic when we put
them through as a community.

2407
01:56:14,220 --> 01:56:16,520
We ask them to keep us safe.

2408
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:19,580
We're asking them
to take care of us

2409
01:56:19,580 --> 01:56:25,100
and to put them in a position
where they have to watch one

2410
01:56:25,100 --> 01:56:29,700
of us potentially
die, because we didn't

2411
01:56:29,700 --> 01:56:33,420
trust them with this tool.

2412
01:56:33,420 --> 01:56:35,620
I can't do that.

2413
01:56:35,620 --> 01:56:38,200
And I do.

2414
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:40,940
I understand why we're
afraid of these cameras.

2415
01:56:40,940 --> 01:56:44,420
I understand why we're afraid
of the surveillance system.

2416
01:56:44,420 --> 01:56:47,180
I do understand the difference
between the government

2417
01:56:47,180 --> 01:56:50,900
surveillance system and the
private surveillance system.

2418
01:56:50,900 --> 01:56:53,300
And like I said,
I have spent hours

2419
01:56:53,300 --> 01:56:55,420
every night looking into this.

2420
01:56:55,420 --> 01:56:58,620
And I would sit up
here for an hour

2421
01:56:58,620 --> 01:57:01,560
and give you arguments on
every topic that came up.

2422
01:57:01,560 --> 01:57:04,500
But I don't think that's
going to be necessary.

2423
01:57:04,500 --> 01:57:09,150
I just I want you to know
those of you who came here,

2424
01:57:09,150 --> 01:57:11,670
you're doing your
job as a community.

2425
01:57:11,670 --> 01:57:14,650
You're not wrong
to be concerned.

2426
01:57:14,650 --> 01:57:19,030


2427
01:57:19,030 --> 01:57:24,150
The other thing about
the why we're concerned,

2428
01:57:24,150 --> 01:57:26,990
the more I study on
this, the more important

2429
01:57:26,990 --> 01:57:32,230
it becomes that the true answers
to a lot of these problems

2430
01:57:32,230 --> 01:57:35,030
is taking care of each other.

2431
01:57:35,030 --> 01:57:40,790
It's seeing not us and
them, but all of us.

2432
01:57:40,790 --> 01:57:47,110
It may be us against
the Texas cops.

2433
01:57:47,110 --> 01:57:54,230
It may be us against
the techno oligarchs.

2434
01:57:54,230 --> 01:57:55,990
But it's us.

2435
01:57:55,990 --> 01:57:57,810
We're not us in them.

2436
01:57:57,810 --> 01:57:59,190
We're us.

2437
01:57:59,190 --> 01:58:04,000
Every member on this council,
we live with these flock cameras

2438
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:05,980
too, and I found on the map.

2439
01:58:05,980 --> 01:58:09,600
I do live within a
block and a half of one.

2440
01:58:09,600 --> 01:58:12,740
And I'll tell if you
want to follow me.

2441
01:58:12,740 --> 01:58:16,100
I'm a very boring
person, but that.

2442
01:58:16,100 --> 01:58:17,120
Me too.

2443
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:23,720
But nonetheless, I do recognize
that it could be misused.

2444
01:58:23,720 --> 01:58:25,320
It is extreme.

2445
01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:27,700
Somebody mentioned
the we trust Seth.

2446
01:58:27,700 --> 01:58:29,880
Now, what about the next police.

2447
01:58:29,880 --> 01:58:34,360
And I will say that it's
a culture that we grow.

2448
01:58:34,360 --> 01:58:36,980
We develop the
internal controls.

2449
01:58:36,980 --> 01:58:40,760
We develop the checks,
we develop the alerts,

2450
01:58:40,760 --> 01:58:42,420
we follow through on those.

2451
01:58:42,420 --> 01:58:48,800
And once they become procedure,
then it takes multiple bad cops

2452
01:58:48,800 --> 01:58:50,800
to break the procedure.

2453
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:54,500
So like I said, I'll stop
going on every topic.

2454
01:58:54,500 --> 01:59:00,440
It's tempting, but I just want
you to know that I did hear you,

2455
01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:02,420
and it isn't that
I don't believe you

2456
01:59:02,420 --> 01:59:04,500
or that I don't care.

2457
01:59:04,500 --> 01:59:08,420
It's personally what
can I live with.

2458
01:59:08,420 --> 01:59:13,300
And my vote up here tonight
is for the community,

2459
01:59:13,300 --> 01:59:17,620
because I'm absolutely convinced
that we are going to help

2460
01:59:17,620 --> 01:59:21,940
far more people
than might be hurt

2461
01:59:21,940 --> 01:59:24,340
if someone abuses the system.

2462
01:59:24,340 --> 01:59:24,920
Thank you.

2463
01:59:24,920 --> 01:59:25,520
Well said.

2464
01:59:25,520 --> 01:59:27,180
Peg well said.

2465
01:59:27,180 --> 01:59:28,420
Thank you.

2466
01:59:28,420 --> 01:59:29,960
Anyone else from the council.

2467
01:59:29,960 --> 01:59:33,020


2468
01:59:33,020 --> 01:59:33,760
Seeing none.

2469
01:59:33,760 --> 01:59:35,240
Council take your vote, please.

2470
01:59:35,240 --> 01:59:43,540


2471
01:59:43,540 --> 01:59:45,640
Motion passes 6' 1.

2472
01:59:45,640 --> 01:59:48,860


2473
01:59:48,860 --> 01:59:51,300
Chair would now
entertain a motion for.

2474
01:59:51,300 --> 01:59:56,100
We are at New
business 9.1, please.

2475
01:59:56,100 --> 01:59:59,110
Oh, I get to talk more.

2476
01:59:59,110 --> 02:00:03,470
Madam Mayor, I move that we
adopt resolution number 474 dash

2477
02:00:03,470 --> 02:00:09,070
2627, approving a professional
auditing service agreement

2478
02:00:09,070 --> 02:00:12,470
with Lutterbach and almond
LLP for the fiscal years

2479
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:15,230
2026 and 2027.

2480
02:00:15,230 --> 02:00:17,750
Second Motion made
by MS Phillips

2481
02:00:17,750 --> 02:00:19,410
and second by MS hochheimer.

2482
02:00:19,410 --> 02:00:22,110


2483
02:00:22,110 --> 02:00:24,870
Yeah before I turn
it over, let's let.

2484
02:00:24,870 --> 02:00:27,770
If the audience is
wanting to speak,

2485
02:00:27,770 --> 02:00:30,130
you need to step out into
the hallway there or.

2486
02:00:30,130 --> 02:00:33,070


2487
02:00:33,070 --> 02:00:35,870
Be seated.

2488
02:00:35,870 --> 02:00:36,930
There trying to get up.

2489
02:00:36,930 --> 02:00:39,750
Yeah OK.

2490
02:00:39,750 --> 02:00:40,650
Thank you.

2491
02:00:40,650 --> 02:00:50,630


2492
02:00:50,630 --> 02:00:51,370
Thank you.

2493
02:00:51,370 --> 02:01:10,760


2494
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:25,640
Congratulations Mr. Darcy.

2495
02:01:25,640 --> 02:01:26,140
Thank you.

2496
02:01:26,140 --> 02:01:29,120
Mayor this is, in essence,
approving the agreement

2497
02:01:29,120 --> 02:01:31,440
with Lutterbach and
Ammann regarding

2498
02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:34,240
the fiscal year 2627 audits.

2499
02:01:34,240 --> 02:01:37,240
Eric, will going a little
bit more detail if you have

2500
02:01:37,240 --> 02:01:41,460
questions for him
on it Mr. Dabrowski,

2501
02:01:41,460 --> 02:01:43,640
does council have any
questions or would

2502
02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:47,480
you like to just
say a few things.

2503
02:01:47,480 --> 02:01:49,440
Yeah, I would like
to say a few things,

2504
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:52,320
kind of dovetailing on
comments from earlier tonight.

2505
02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:56,710
We have made really good
progress thus far in 2026.

2506
02:01:56,710 --> 02:01:58,130
Catching up with the audits.

2507
02:01:58,130 --> 02:02:01,650
As you may recall, we've
completed the FY23 audit

2508
02:02:01,650 --> 02:02:03,830
in February, FY24.

2509
02:02:03,830 --> 02:02:06,830
In June, FY25 is
nearing completion.

2510
02:02:06,830 --> 02:02:10,330
Our target is actually late
September, early October.

2511
02:02:10,330 --> 02:02:12,650
We'd love to get
it in at that time.

2512
02:02:12,650 --> 02:02:15,990
Our intent is to go
straight into 26.

2513
02:02:15,990 --> 02:02:18,810
Ask the state for an
extension on that.

2514
02:02:18,810 --> 02:02:20,890
So won't be
considered delinquent

2515
02:02:20,890 --> 02:02:22,510
as we have in the past.

2516
02:02:22,510 --> 02:02:27,930
It would just expand
the timeline on that.

2517
02:02:27,930 --> 02:02:31,050
So that would roughly
mean and then heading

2518
02:02:31,050 --> 02:02:35,650
into 26 with a target completion
date of roughly January 31

2519
02:02:35,650 --> 02:02:36,930
of 27.

2520
02:02:36,930 --> 02:02:40,890
So with that would be for
audits in the 12 month period.

2521
02:02:40,890 --> 02:02:44,410
And that would
eliminate our backlog.

2522
02:02:44,410 --> 02:02:46,370
So tonight essentially
what I'm bringing

2523
02:02:46,370 --> 02:02:52,110
is the engagement with
Lutterbach for the 26 audit,

2524
02:02:52,110 --> 02:02:54,980
with an option for FY 27.

2525
02:02:54,980 --> 02:02:56,480
They're very familiar
with the city.

2526
02:02:56,480 --> 02:02:58,420
We've had a good
working relationship.

2527
02:02:58,420 --> 02:03:01,100
We want to capitalize
on the momentum.

2528
02:03:01,100 --> 02:03:07,080
So for FY26, the base cost
for the city audit is 54,600.

2529
02:03:07,080 --> 02:03:10,300
When you add in the additional
reports for the library audit

2530
02:03:10,300 --> 02:03:12,940
single audit by tiff
reports, the total

2531
02:03:12,940 --> 02:03:17,400
cost is 74,775 for FY 27.

2532
02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:20,320
The base audit is 56,300.

2533
02:03:20,320 --> 02:03:23,860
When you add in all those
other reports, it's 77,000.

2534
02:03:23,860 --> 02:03:26,340
And then once we get to that
point, what I'd like to do

2535
02:03:26,340 --> 02:03:28,220
is to go out for an RFP.

2536
02:03:28,220 --> 02:03:30,400
Again, lauterbach's great
firm, what have you.

2537
02:03:30,400 --> 02:03:32,420
I think it would be
a good opportunity.

2538
02:03:32,420 --> 02:03:35,660
I'd be looking probably for a
six year engagement with a three

2539
02:03:35,660 --> 02:03:37,900
year partner rotation to
get a fresh set of eyes

2540
02:03:37,900 --> 02:03:40,740
so you can get an economy
of scale with the firm.

2541
02:03:40,740 --> 02:03:44,520
But then it's good to have
a different vantage point.

2542
02:03:44,520 --> 02:03:48,220
So again, in a nutshell,
finish getting caught up

2543
02:03:48,220 --> 02:03:51,020
with the audits, get back
on to normal audit schedule

2544
02:03:51,020 --> 02:03:53,710
and then competitively
bid the work.

2545
02:03:53,710 --> 02:03:57,030
Wonderful wonderful news.

2546
02:03:57,030 --> 02:04:00,950
And you are scheduling
budgeting for us.

2547
02:04:00,950 --> 02:04:02,790
Perfect thank you so much.

2548
02:04:02,790 --> 02:04:03,970
Any questions.

2549
02:04:03,970 --> 02:04:04,690
Yes thank you.

2550
02:04:04,690 --> 02:04:06,490
Any questions for Mr. dabrowski?

2551
02:04:06,490 --> 02:04:09,510


2552
02:04:09,510 --> 02:04:11,030
Oh, yes.

2553
02:04:11,030 --> 02:04:18,390
Eric, if we would say go out for
RFP and go with somebody new,

2554
02:04:18,390 --> 02:04:22,230
what's the lag time in a
new firm getting used to us

2555
02:04:22,230 --> 02:04:25,430
and learning about our
system and vice versa.

2556
02:04:25,430 --> 02:04:30,390
Being a first year audit
takes a little bit more time.

2557
02:04:30,390 --> 02:04:34,010
By that time, and a lot
of credit goes to my team.

2558
02:04:34,010 --> 02:04:35,170
They're really stepping up.

2559
02:04:35,170 --> 02:04:38,190
They're learning what have you
I think they're getting so used

2560
02:04:38,190 --> 02:04:41,390
to our audits that it'll help.

2561
02:04:41,390 --> 02:04:45,390
But there is probably
takes a couple months

2562
02:04:45,390 --> 02:04:46,850
longer in that process.

2563
02:04:46,850 --> 02:04:52,670
But in a normal audit process,
we would still be on time.

2564
02:04:52,670 --> 02:04:57,170
I think it would be closer
to an October finish

2565
02:04:57,170 --> 02:05:00,390
than we would on a
September finish,

2566
02:05:00,390 --> 02:05:02,270
where I usually like
to be on an audit.

2567
02:05:02,270 --> 02:05:04,630
I was just wondering, because if
we would get to that position,

2568
02:05:04,630 --> 02:05:08,850
we have to balance somebody
that's had us for seven years

2569
02:05:08,850 --> 02:05:11,690
and knows all about US, compared
to somebody that's brand new

2570
02:05:11,690 --> 02:05:14,810
and has to learn us, which is
that's part of their process

2571
02:05:14,810 --> 02:05:15,310
too.

2572
02:05:15,310 --> 02:05:18,830
I understand, I just wondered
if it would slow things down.

2573
02:05:18,830 --> 02:05:21,150
It does, but not now.

2574
02:05:21,150 --> 02:05:25,250
And it'd be nice to keep
the positivity going.

2575
02:05:25,250 --> 02:05:28,430
At one potential option
with the RFP process,

2576
02:05:28,430 --> 02:05:30,970
again, doesn't preclude
is if Lutterbach did

2577
02:05:30,970 --> 02:05:33,450
want to go and bid
with different partners

2578
02:05:33,450 --> 02:05:34,670
and different things like that.

2579
02:05:34,670 --> 02:05:36,770
I mean, I think that
they're welcome to do

2580
02:05:36,770 --> 02:05:39,710
that as well, as long as
there's a fresh set of eyes.

2581
02:05:39,710 --> 02:05:41,150
So there is
something to be said.

2582
02:05:41,150 --> 02:05:43,330
That's an economy
of scale with that.

2583
02:05:43,330 --> 02:05:46,350
But again, it's good to have
all those different bids.

2584
02:05:46,350 --> 02:05:50,740
And I think part of this
is the strength of the team

2585
02:05:50,740 --> 02:05:54,900
and getting familiar with the
audit process that we have here,

2586
02:05:54,900 --> 02:05:57,660
that speaks volumes.

2587
02:05:57,660 --> 02:06:00,300
There will be a learning
curve for any firm that

2588
02:06:00,300 --> 02:06:03,460
comes into the
situation, but it's also

2589
02:06:03,460 --> 02:06:07,020
an industry standard industry
norm if you have the staff that

2590
02:06:07,020 --> 02:06:10,300
are ready for it
and if you are and I

2591
02:06:10,300 --> 02:06:14,400
guess this is the key to why
we've been moving quickly.

2592
02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:16,360
It has to do with organization.

2593
02:06:16,360 --> 02:06:19,520
The better organized
you have your files,

2594
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:21,000
and you have your paperwork.

2595
02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:23,160
And you have your
schedules and they tie out,

2596
02:06:23,160 --> 02:06:24,280
the easier it becomes.

2597
02:06:24,280 --> 02:06:26,940
So our staff has been
doing a really good

2598
02:06:26,940 --> 02:06:29,580
job of keeping things in line.

2599
02:06:29,580 --> 02:06:32,380
And kudos to our city clerk.

2600
02:06:32,380 --> 02:06:37,100
A lot of the different
resolutions and ordinances

2601
02:06:37,100 --> 02:06:38,080
and other type of things.

2602
02:06:38,080 --> 02:06:40,240
The easier it is, the
easier it is for us,

2603
02:06:40,240 --> 02:06:41,520
the easier it is for them.

2604
02:06:41,520 --> 02:06:44,220
And that will help
expedite audits.

2605
02:06:44,220 --> 02:06:46,630
Thank you.

2606
02:06:46,630 --> 02:06:49,610
Any other questions.

2607
02:06:49,610 --> 02:06:50,650
Any other questions.

2608
02:06:50,650 --> 02:06:54,510


2609
02:06:54,510 --> 02:06:55,210
Seeing none.

2610
02:06:55,210 --> 02:06:56,570
Council take your vote, please.

2611
02:06:56,570 --> 02:07:03,630


2612
02:07:03,630 --> 02:07:05,330
Motion passes 7 0.

2613
02:07:05,330 --> 02:07:07,950


2614
02:07:07,950 --> 02:07:13,790
Chair would now entertain
a motion for 9.2, please.

2615
02:07:13,790 --> 02:07:14,890
You get to talk again.

2616
02:07:14,890 --> 02:07:16,350
You get to talk again.

2617
02:07:16,350 --> 02:07:19,150
I'm sorry.

2618
02:07:19,150 --> 02:07:26,030
Oh, Madam Mayor, I move that we
adopt resolution number 4752627.

2619
02:07:26,030 --> 02:07:28,830
Emergency operations
center technology

2620
02:07:28,830 --> 02:07:32,510
lifecycle replacement.

2621
02:07:32,510 --> 02:07:34,830
Second Motion made
by MS Phillips

2622
02:07:34,830 --> 02:07:37,110
and second by MS hohimer.

2623
02:07:37,110 --> 02:07:39,370
I don't think your speaker
is working too well tonight.

2624
02:07:39,370 --> 02:07:41,890
Yeah Mr. Darcy.

2625
02:07:41,890 --> 02:07:43,410
Once again, thank you.

2626
02:07:43,410 --> 02:07:47,840
Mayor this is highly involved.

2627
02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:49,300
Dave Hess can speak on this.

2628
02:07:49,300 --> 02:07:51,580
If there's any council
questions on this,

2629
02:07:51,580 --> 02:07:53,980
or I don't know how much
chief Rainey might have,

2630
02:07:53,980 --> 02:07:58,520
but this is the
planned replacement

2631
02:07:58,520 --> 02:08:04,000
of technology within the EOC
emergency operations center.

2632
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:05,580
Life cycle replacement.

2633
02:08:05,580 --> 02:08:08,200


2634
02:08:08,200 --> 02:08:12,240
Dave went through and
explained very detailed what

2635
02:08:12,240 --> 02:08:14,280
that all will involve.

2636
02:08:14,280 --> 02:08:17,640
If there's questions,
I'll pass those to Dave

2637
02:08:17,640 --> 02:08:19,380
as the IT expert
or chief Rainey,

2638
02:08:19,380 --> 02:08:21,340
as far as how the
operation center works.

2639
02:08:21,340 --> 02:08:25,680


2640
02:08:25,680 --> 02:08:27,220
Council have any questions.

2641
02:08:27,220 --> 02:08:30,840


2642
02:08:30,840 --> 02:08:31,500
Seeing none.

2643
02:08:31,500 --> 02:08:32,780
Council take your vote, please.

2644
02:08:32,780 --> 02:08:40,800


2645
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:45,130
Motion passes 7 0.

2646
02:08:45,130 --> 02:08:48,730
Chair will now entertain
a motion for 9.3, please.

2647
02:08:48,730 --> 02:08:54,010
Madam Mayor, I move that
resolution number 476 2627

2648
02:08:54,010 --> 02:08:59,530
authority to award 2026 general
maintenance mill and overlay

2649
02:08:59,530 --> 02:09:00,570
be approved.

2650
02:09:00,570 --> 02:09:07,330
Second Motion made by MS
hohimer and second by Mr. Abele.

2651
02:09:07,330 --> 02:09:08,930
Once again, Mr. Darcy.

2652
02:09:08,930 --> 02:09:09,430
Thank you.

2653
02:09:09,430 --> 02:09:13,790
Mayor this resolution authorizes
myself as the city manager,

2654
02:09:13,790 --> 02:09:16,930
to sign acceptance
and award the 2026 MFT

2655
02:09:16,930 --> 02:09:18,490
general maintenance
mill and overlay

2656
02:09:18,490 --> 02:09:21,370
contract to the lowest bidder.

2657
02:09:21,370 --> 02:09:25,650
Justin Reese, our city engineer,
is available for questions

2658
02:09:25,650 --> 02:09:26,150
on this.

2659
02:09:26,150 --> 02:09:29,350
I believe councilman Nutter may
have had a question on that,

2660
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:31,450
from what I understood
from earlier today,

2661
02:09:31,450 --> 02:09:33,750
and I think we're prepared
to answer that for you.

2662
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:40,070
Any questions from council.

2663
02:09:40,070 --> 02:09:45,010
Yes, please Mr. Reese, good
to seeing you this evening.

2664
02:09:45,010 --> 02:09:46,350
As usual.

2665
02:09:46,350 --> 02:09:50,290
So what is the project.

2666
02:09:50,290 --> 02:09:52,630
Because on the original
there were two different mill

2667
02:09:52,630 --> 02:09:54,090
and overlay projects.

2668
02:09:54,090 --> 02:09:55,130
Is it both of them.

2669
02:09:55,130 --> 02:09:56,230
One of them.

2670
02:09:56,230 --> 02:09:57,570
Or did it change.

2671
02:09:57,570 --> 02:09:59,190
Explain that first.

2672
02:09:59,190 --> 02:10:01,290
Yeah it's two 2
million overlays.

2673
02:10:01,290 --> 02:10:02,850
Two small sections of road.

2674
02:10:02,850 --> 02:10:06,070
It's West Shaw between
the terminus of our court

2675
02:10:06,070 --> 02:10:09,750
Street project and 18th Street.

2676
02:10:09,750 --> 02:10:13,950
So that block there and then
at Somerset and Second Street,

2677
02:10:13,950 --> 02:10:16,830
it's kind of an unusual
shape there where

2678
02:10:16,830 --> 02:10:18,950
those two roads come together.

2679
02:10:18,950 --> 02:10:22,150
OK thank you for
that clarification.

2680
02:10:22,150 --> 02:10:26,350
So in a previous
meeting, we allocated

2681
02:10:26,350 --> 02:10:30,910
or approved the chip seal
project and that project

2682
02:10:30,910 --> 02:10:33,110
was 1.4 million.

2683
02:10:33,110 --> 02:10:35,670
And that's the total
amount that's in the budget

2684
02:10:35,670 --> 02:10:37,800
under the motor fuel tax.

2685
02:10:37,800 --> 02:10:41,840
So can you explain where this
additional money is coming from.

2686
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:45,860
Yes this is governed by I dot.

2687
02:10:45,860 --> 02:10:49,360
So you have to award
general maintenance

2688
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:51,060
a GM program every year.

2689
02:10:51,060 --> 02:10:57,120
And so what was approved by
council was about $2.11 million

2690
02:10:57,120 --> 02:10:59,240
of potential spend
that you could

2691
02:10:59,240 --> 02:11:02,540
which included the chip seal
project, which as you mentioned,

2692
02:11:02,540 --> 02:11:05,160
was awarded for about 1.35.

2693
02:11:05,160 --> 02:11:08,380
And then the other
piece of that,

2694
02:11:08,380 --> 02:11:10,160
the other construction
piece of that was the mill

2695
02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:12,560
and overlay that we
were asked, we estimated

2696
02:11:12,560 --> 02:11:15,140
at just under 220,000.

2697
02:11:15,140 --> 02:11:18,840
But IDOT actually lets
you go up to 10% over.

2698
02:11:18,840 --> 02:11:22,660
So the original estimate was
for let me get this number.

2699
02:11:22,660 --> 02:11:26,760
Yeah 2.115 and change million.

2700
02:11:26,760 --> 02:11:30,640
And then the resolution you
passed was for about 10%

2701
02:11:30,640 --> 02:11:34,780
over that, which gave you every
piece of that going 10% over,

2702
02:11:34,780 --> 02:11:37,690
which is what IDOT allows
without further without having

2703
02:11:37,690 --> 02:11:39,370
to modify the estimate.

2704
02:11:39,370 --> 02:11:43,690
So the 10% overage was
on the original 2.1

2705
02:11:43,690 --> 02:11:46,650
or whatever it was
that we approved.

2706
02:11:46,650 --> 02:11:49,090
Correct the resolution
you passed at that point

2707
02:11:49,090 --> 02:11:54,270
authorized approximately to
10% over the 2.1 million.

2708
02:11:54,270 --> 02:11:55,570
All right.

2709
02:11:55,570 --> 02:11:57,710
And so the general
maintenance included.

2710
02:11:57,710 --> 02:11:59,570
So those two
construction projects,

2711
02:11:59,570 --> 02:12:01,350
we also got it approved.

2712
02:12:01,350 --> 02:12:05,770
If you did, the city so decides
to buy your salt out of there,

2713
02:12:05,770 --> 02:12:08,410
because we knew that there would
be potential challenges with

2714
02:12:08,410 --> 02:12:14,090
getting bids this year on
the salt. So about 240,000 I

2715
02:12:14,090 --> 02:12:15,690
think we put in there for that.

2716
02:12:15,690 --> 02:12:18,570
And then also there
was the potential

2717
02:12:18,570 --> 02:12:22,330
to buy some stockpile
materials and also

2718
02:12:22,330 --> 02:12:25,310
to pay the electricity, which
are all MFT eligible expenses.

2719
02:12:25,310 --> 02:12:27,050
If we don't put them
on the estimate,

2720
02:12:27,050 --> 02:12:29,410
we're not allowed to use them.

2721
02:12:29,410 --> 02:12:31,690
So this is something I think
will work better, as we've

2722
02:12:31,690 --> 02:12:34,940
discussed as we move
to a fiscal year

2723
02:12:34,940 --> 02:12:40,340
from to a calendar year,
MFT from the fiscal year.

2724
02:12:40,340 --> 02:12:43,460
So we could be setting this
up at the same time that we're

2725
02:12:43,460 --> 02:12:46,500
doing budgets versus
the City budget

2726
02:12:46,500 --> 02:12:49,780
happening and the MFT happening
in a different timeline.

2727
02:12:49,780 --> 02:12:52,100
So hopefully this is the
last year that there's

2728
02:12:52,100 --> 02:12:54,180
misalignment between those.

2729
02:12:54,180 --> 02:12:55,860
And it's just because
of historically how

2730
02:12:55,860 --> 02:12:58,700
the city has done MFT program.

2731
02:12:58,700 --> 02:13:01,980
I'm glad you're taking that
into consideration, because it's

2732
02:13:01,980 --> 02:13:05,440
going to help all of us in
the long run, budget wise,

2733
02:13:05,440 --> 02:13:10,020
going to IDOT, and we won't have
this hopefully dragged later

2734
02:13:10,020 --> 02:13:13,580
in the year, so to
speak, so to get the work

2735
02:13:13,580 --> 02:13:16,220
done earlier if possible.

2736
02:13:16,220 --> 02:13:19,540
And part of the request
tonight if council so

2737
02:13:19,540 --> 02:13:24,020
wishes to give the authority
to sign this contract if we get

2738
02:13:24,020 --> 02:13:27,500
an acceptable bid is to
get us that couple of weeks

2739
02:13:27,500 --> 02:13:28,600
between the next meeting.

2740
02:13:28,600 --> 02:13:30,500
So this can go to
IDOT, it will probably

2741
02:13:30,500 --> 02:13:34,630
be there for three, four or five
weeks for their final approval.

2742
02:13:34,630 --> 02:13:37,350
So we're just trying to get
rid of those a couple of weeks

2743
02:13:37,350 --> 02:13:41,230
that we would lose so we can get
it to get approval because we

2744
02:13:41,230 --> 02:13:42,450
have to have this work done.

2745
02:13:42,450 --> 02:13:47,070
So we can close this year's MFT
before we can make that change

2746
02:13:47,070 --> 02:13:49,510
over and how we do the MFT.

2747
02:13:49,510 --> 02:13:52,230
Very good, MS homer.

2748
02:13:52,230 --> 02:13:57,050
Justin, again, what are the
streets that we're going to do.

2749
02:13:57,050 --> 02:13:58,670
So it's Somerset
and second where

2750
02:13:58,670 --> 02:14:00,790
they come together at a point
kind of on the Northwest

2751
02:14:00,790 --> 02:14:01,750
side of town.

2752
02:14:01,750 --> 02:14:05,110
There's some pretty
severe edge cracking.

2753
02:14:05,110 --> 02:14:07,370
It's an irregular
shape that we're doing,

2754
02:14:07,370 --> 02:14:10,750
but we're just trying to that
pavement is beyond the point

2755
02:14:10,750 --> 02:14:11,890
that it could just
be maintained.

2756
02:14:11,890 --> 02:14:14,830
We need to mill it out and
put some fill in there.

2757
02:14:14,830 --> 02:14:17,410
It's just a pavement
preservation project.

2758
02:14:17,410 --> 02:14:19,670
And then the other
one is West Shaw

2759
02:14:19,670 --> 02:14:22,470
from where we go around the
radius returns for the court

2760
02:14:22,470 --> 02:14:23,530
Street Project.

2761
02:14:23,530 --> 02:14:26,490
So where that project
ends and to 18th Street,

2762
02:14:26,490 --> 02:14:30,350
which is kind of an odd
shaped little road, OK.

2763
02:14:30,350 --> 02:14:33,190
It's kind of a sweeping
up to 18th Street.

2764
02:14:33,190 --> 02:14:34,110
Yeah, exactly.

2765
02:14:34,110 --> 02:14:35,890
So you're going to
do 18th Street or.

2766
02:14:35,890 --> 02:14:40,090
No, just West shore and
then stop at the radiuses.

2767
02:14:40,090 --> 02:14:43,130
And you're not West Shaw Drive.

2768
02:14:43,130 --> 02:14:45,010
That goes back.

2769
02:14:45,010 --> 02:14:49,530
No, just the piece between
18th and court street.

2770
02:14:49,530 --> 02:14:50,590
OK yes.

2771
02:14:50,590 --> 02:14:51,190
Oh, yeah.

2772
02:14:51,190 --> 02:14:54,330
And that was all part of the
decision optimization technology

2773
02:14:54,330 --> 02:14:55,790
software that we used.

2774
02:14:55,790 --> 02:14:59,210
We gave it a budget
and tried to find where

2775
02:14:59,210 --> 02:15:00,870
to best put that money in.

2776
02:15:00,870 --> 02:15:02,810
Now, obviously we
knew that costs were

2777
02:15:02,810 --> 02:15:04,350
going to be higher this year.

2778
02:15:04,350 --> 02:15:06,890
So while we targeted 1.4
million when we actually

2779
02:15:06,890 --> 02:15:08,890
did the estimates,
we had started

2780
02:15:08,890 --> 02:15:10,930
seeing some bid prices come in.

2781
02:15:10,930 --> 02:15:12,790
So that's why we
did inflate them.

2782
02:15:12,790 --> 02:15:15,410
And we were very close
on the chip seal.

2783
02:15:15,410 --> 02:15:17,790
Based on some other
projects I've bid this year,

2784
02:15:17,790 --> 02:15:20,810
I imagine we'll be close on
the million overlay as well.

2785
02:15:20,810 --> 02:15:22,290
OK thank you.

2786
02:15:22,290 --> 02:15:25,370
Yep Any other questions.

2787
02:15:25,370 --> 02:15:27,690
I do, Mr. hills.

2788
02:15:27,690 --> 02:15:31,040
So I know Simon's not
in attendance tonight,

2789
02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:33,660
but I've had some
discussions with him

2790
02:15:33,660 --> 02:15:36,820
about this particular
mill and overlay.

2791
02:15:36,820 --> 02:15:40,320
I was told maybe just guessing
off the top of my head,

2792
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:43,180
maybe about a month
and a half ago,

2793
02:15:43,180 --> 02:15:47,860
that Somerset project down
there on this mill and overlay

2794
02:15:47,860 --> 02:15:49,000
had been removed.

2795
02:15:49,000 --> 02:15:51,740
And we weren't going to do that.

2796
02:15:51,740 --> 02:15:54,020
You know anything about
that or was that removed

2797
02:15:54,020 --> 02:15:55,380
and put back on or.

2798
02:15:55,380 --> 02:15:57,440
I'm not sure what
you're referencing.

2799
02:15:57,440 --> 02:16:00,900
What was approved by IDOT does
include both the projects.

2800
02:16:00,900 --> 02:16:04,900
And the other one you're
talking about on West

2801
02:16:04,900 --> 02:16:09,180
Shaw there from court to 18th.

2802
02:16:09,180 --> 02:16:12,680
And this isn't I'm not throwing
any darts at anybody on this.

2803
02:16:12,680 --> 02:16:14,580
This is my own opinion,
because I drove around

2804
02:16:14,580 --> 02:16:17,500
on a lot of these streets that
was on that original map we got

2805
02:16:17,500 --> 02:16:20,580
several months ago for the
chip seals and for these mill

2806
02:16:20,580 --> 02:16:22,220
and overlays.

2807
02:16:22,220 --> 02:16:25,780
I don't feel in my own opinion
that road is in bad shape

2808
02:16:25,780 --> 02:16:27,210
to be milled and overlaid.

2809
02:16:27,210 --> 02:16:29,030
I think that's a waste of money.

2810
02:16:29,030 --> 02:16:31,610
200 and almost a
quarter million dollars.

2811
02:16:31,610 --> 02:16:35,389
And we're going to overlay a
road that probably would have

2812
02:16:35,389 --> 02:16:37,230
been a better qualified
road for a chip

2813
02:16:37,230 --> 02:16:39,770
seal on some of the other
ones I drove around with.

2814
02:16:39,770 --> 02:16:43,950
So just me personally, I don't
agree with this because I and I

2815
02:16:43,950 --> 02:16:46,670
know you guys got your
software stuff you go by

2816
02:16:46,670 --> 02:16:48,889
and how they rate them
streets and whatnot,

2817
02:16:48,889 --> 02:16:51,969
but you take a drive
down that road.

2818
02:16:51,969 --> 02:16:54,770
I just do not see where
that needs milling overlaid.

2819
02:16:54,770 --> 02:16:57,910
We've got a lot worse streets
around town than that one,

2820
02:16:57,910 --> 02:17:00,650
and I just don't support it.

2821
02:17:00,650 --> 02:17:03,950
But that's just my opinion.

2822
02:17:03,950 --> 02:17:07,670
Any other council, Mr. Abel.

2823
02:17:07,670 --> 02:17:14,430
Does this also include the 1,400
block Park Avenue to court.

2824
02:17:14,430 --> 02:17:16,469
No that was awarded
as a change order

2825
02:17:16,469 --> 02:17:17,850
on the court Street Project.

2826
02:17:17,850 --> 02:17:19,629
So that is being
completed, but it's not

2827
02:17:19,629 --> 02:17:21,530
being completed with MFT funds.

2828
02:17:21,530 --> 02:17:27,139
Correct give Abel his
mic spike back to late.

2829
02:17:27,139 --> 02:17:30,080


2830
02:17:30,080 --> 02:17:31,459
Without any other questions.

2831
02:17:31,459 --> 02:17:32,820
Council, take your vote, please.

2832
02:17:32,820 --> 02:17:41,879


2833
02:17:41,879 --> 02:17:45,920
Motion passes 6' 1.

2834
02:17:45,920 --> 02:17:49,959
Chair will now entertain
a motion for 9.4, please.

2835
02:17:49,959 --> 02:17:55,940
Madam Mayor, I move that
resolution number 477 2627.

2836
02:17:55,940 --> 02:17:58,719
Authorizing repair
of the traffic

2837
02:17:58,719 --> 02:18:03,280
signal light at court street
and stadium drive be approved.

2838
02:18:03,280 --> 02:18:06,600
Second Motion passes by
MS hohimer and second

2839
02:18:06,600 --> 02:18:11,240
by MS Phillips Mr. Darcy.

2840
02:18:11,240 --> 02:18:11,740
Thank you.

2841
02:18:11,740 --> 02:18:17,000
Mayor this is the traffic light
right there at the high school.

2842
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:20,200
As most of you will recall,
there was a lightning strike

2843
02:18:20,200 --> 02:18:26,090
that impacted a lot of I
think how the signals process

2844
02:18:26,090 --> 02:18:28,889
and they work and they
finally identified

2845
02:18:28,889 --> 02:18:31,650
all the equipment issues
and what needs to be done.

2846
02:18:31,650 --> 02:18:35,770
We're also working through some
of the processes with insurance

2847
02:18:35,770 --> 02:18:38,850
on this as we move forward.

2848
02:18:38,850 --> 02:18:42,830
Total cost is 26,500
to repair this signal.

2849
02:18:42,830 --> 02:18:46,129
Our biggest concern is now
that school's back in session.

2850
02:18:46,129 --> 02:18:49,750
The walk signal is not
operating correctly.

2851
02:18:49,750 --> 02:18:51,750
This is going to
address that issue.

2852
02:18:51,750 --> 02:18:54,570
First and foremost.

2853
02:18:54,570 --> 02:18:57,770
But approval tonight
we can give them to go

2854
02:18:57,770 --> 02:18:59,709
ahead to get going on that.

2855
02:18:59,709 --> 02:19:01,730
And we're going to continue
working with the insurance

2856
02:19:01,730 --> 02:19:03,950
process on that.

2857
02:19:03,950 --> 02:19:05,850
So there's going
to be some probably

2858
02:19:05,850 --> 02:19:08,370
budget amendments
or changes that will

2859
02:19:08,370 --> 02:19:09,870
be coming down the road here.

2860
02:19:09,870 --> 02:19:11,209
Justin could speak
a little bit more

2861
02:19:11,209 --> 02:19:14,250
as far as how the technology
works and talks to each other up

2862
02:19:14,250 --> 02:19:16,690
and down court street, but
that's been a lot of the issues

2863
02:19:16,690 --> 02:19:17,190
there.

2864
02:19:17,190 --> 02:19:19,870
I think as much as we've
discussed it publicly,

2865
02:19:19,870 --> 02:19:24,139
I think a lot of people just are
missing that lightning strike

2866
02:19:24,139 --> 02:19:25,980
committed or caused
a lot of havoc

2867
02:19:25,980 --> 02:19:27,740
with how the signals
are operating

2868
02:19:27,740 --> 02:19:29,120
up and down court street.

2869
02:19:29,120 --> 02:19:29,719
It did.

2870
02:19:29,719 --> 02:19:34,180
And, I appreciate that
the work can go on.

2871
02:19:34,180 --> 02:19:37,360
Instead of waiting for all
the insurance to finalize.

2872
02:19:37,360 --> 02:19:38,740
So thank you.

2873
02:19:38,740 --> 02:19:43,139
Anybody have questions
for Mr. Reese.

2874
02:19:43,139 --> 02:19:45,780
I got one that I was asked
to bring up since this

2875
02:19:45,780 --> 02:19:47,740
is on the agenda tonight.

2876
02:19:47,740 --> 02:19:52,340
Is there a problem with the
stoplight or the signal cycling

2877
02:19:52,340 --> 02:19:58,860
at eighth and Broadway
and Margaret and Broadway

2878
02:19:58,860 --> 02:19:59,960
that you're aware of.

2879
02:19:59,960 --> 02:20:02,120
And if not, would you
check into it, please.

2880
02:20:02,120 --> 02:20:04,700
Because it's got
traffic backed up

2881
02:20:04,700 --> 02:20:10,460
and it seems like those
lights are just not synced

2882
02:20:10,460 --> 02:20:11,880
or they're longer.

2883
02:20:11,880 --> 02:20:13,700
You get a school
bus in there, you

2884
02:20:13,700 --> 02:20:16,460
got cars backed up
into the intersection

2885
02:20:16,460 --> 02:20:18,480
at eighth and Broadway.

2886
02:20:18,480 --> 02:20:20,600
So if you're not aware
of it, could you take

2887
02:20:20,600 --> 02:20:22,060
a look when you get a chance.

2888
02:20:22,060 --> 02:20:22,620
Yeah, for sure.

2889
02:20:22,620 --> 02:20:24,220
There's not an issue
that I'm aware of.

2890
02:20:24,220 --> 02:20:25,300
But we'll look into it.

2891
02:20:25,300 --> 02:20:28,480
A big issue I mean, I
was backed up all the way

2892
02:20:28,480 --> 02:20:30,520
into the intersection,
so I know it

2893
02:20:30,520 --> 02:20:33,180
didn't pertain to
this particular thing,

2894
02:20:33,180 --> 02:20:35,140
but the timing is good.

2895
02:20:35,140 --> 02:20:37,800
So if you could look into that.

2896
02:20:37,800 --> 02:20:38,600
Thank you.

2897
02:20:38,600 --> 02:20:39,740
What was the other one you said.

2898
02:20:39,740 --> 02:20:47,540
Margaret Margaret and Broadway
and then eighth and Broadway.

2899
02:20:47,540 --> 02:20:51,180
So it's that strip between
the two churches, two lights,

2900
02:20:51,180 --> 02:20:54,380
and it's back in
traffic up there.

2901
02:20:54,380 --> 02:20:56,980
So it might have been a
lightning strike again.

2902
02:20:56,980 --> 02:20:58,400
Maybe so we've had some.

2903
02:20:58,400 --> 02:21:00,100
It's been pretty rough.

2904
02:21:00,100 --> 02:21:00,860
Yeah it has.

2905
02:21:00,860 --> 02:21:01,420
Day and a half.

2906
02:21:01,420 --> 02:21:02,260
Yeah thank you.

2907
02:21:02,260 --> 02:21:04,520
Could also have something
to do with court

2908
02:21:04,520 --> 02:21:09,280
street being complicated.

2909
02:21:09,280 --> 02:21:13,020
Hey, that's still on track, too,
by the way, Merry Christmas.

2910
02:21:13,020 --> 02:21:16,080


2911
02:21:16,080 --> 02:21:17,590
Council, will take
your vote, please.

2912
02:21:17,590 --> 02:21:25,410


2913
02:21:25,410 --> 02:21:28,610
Motion passes 7 0.

2914
02:21:28,610 --> 02:21:32,450
Chair will now entertain
a motion for 9.5, please.

2915
02:21:32,450 --> 02:21:38,830
Madam Mayor, I move ordinance
number 4432 dash 2627,

2916
02:21:38,830 --> 02:21:43,690
amending chapter 3, Article Ii,
division four of the Pekin city

2917
02:21:43,690 --> 02:21:48,290
code to clarify wastewater
charges and general provisions

2918
02:21:48,290 --> 02:21:49,250
be approved.

2919
02:21:49,250 --> 02:21:52,490
Second Motion made
by Mr. Fletcher

2920
02:21:52,490 --> 02:21:55,390
and second by Mr.
Abel Mr. Dorsey.

2921
02:21:55,390 --> 02:21:57,510
Once again, thank you, Mayor.

2922
02:21:57,510 --> 02:22:01,170
This was brought up by council
regarding some of the wastewater

2923
02:22:01,170 --> 02:22:05,010
and just some clarification on
the language in the ordinance.

2924
02:22:05,010 --> 02:22:08,450
I think staff was
able to address

2925
02:22:08,450 --> 02:22:13,030
the issues exactly how we're
doing it to try to clarify that.

2926
02:22:13,030 --> 02:22:16,040
And we tried to break it down
in the simplest of terms.

2927
02:22:16,040 --> 02:22:17,920
So I think we've
accomplished that.

2928
02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:19,220
At least I hope we have.

2929
02:22:19,220 --> 02:22:21,000
Any questions from council.

2930
02:22:21,000 --> 02:22:23,620


2931
02:22:23,620 --> 02:22:25,120
Council take your vote, please.

2932
02:22:25,120 --> 02:22:31,620


2933
02:22:31,620 --> 02:22:34,620
Motion passes 7 0.

2934
02:22:34,620 --> 02:22:36,700
We have now come down
to any other business

2935
02:22:36,700 --> 02:22:39,000
to New or any other business.

2936
02:22:39,000 --> 02:22:41,200
Come before the
council Mr. Darcy.

2937
02:22:41,200 --> 02:22:43,280
Staff thank you.

2938
02:22:43,280 --> 02:22:45,860
Mayor we kind of picked on
your Chiefs tonight, so.

2939
02:22:45,860 --> 02:22:46,900
Yeah, he.

2940
02:22:46,900 --> 02:22:47,760
He's done.

2941
02:22:47,760 --> 02:22:50,500


2942
02:22:50,500 --> 02:22:51,480
Just a couple things.

2943
02:22:51,480 --> 02:22:55,020
We're going to have a
street closure this Friday.

2944
02:22:55,020 --> 02:22:56,940
Court street between
eighth and 10th

2945
02:22:56,940 --> 02:22:59,500
will be completely shut down.

2946
02:22:59,500 --> 02:23:01,600
I had a lot of
conversation with Justin.

2947
02:23:01,600 --> 02:23:06,400
We feel it's probably safer
for the construction workers.

2948
02:23:06,400 --> 02:23:11,140
And it's going to be safer for
the people for that one day,

2949
02:23:11,140 --> 02:23:14,030
for them to be able to get in
there and try to get it all done

2950
02:23:14,030 --> 02:23:16,110
all at once, but
between eighth and 10th

2951
02:23:16,110 --> 02:23:19,670
it'll be closed this Friday.

2952
02:23:19,670 --> 02:23:22,070
Pretty much through the business
hours while they get in there

2953
02:23:22,070 --> 02:23:23,350
and do their work.

2954
02:23:23,350 --> 02:23:25,230
Thank you for the heads up.

2955
02:23:25,230 --> 02:23:28,450
Downtown concert on the 29th.

2956
02:23:28,450 --> 02:23:30,870
Reverend red will
be this Saturday.

2957
02:23:30,870 --> 02:23:32,870
Just a reminder to everybody.

2958
02:23:32,870 --> 02:23:36,270
September 4, the
riverfront circus that I

2959
02:23:36,270 --> 02:23:37,610
hope I'm pronouncing it right.

2960
02:23:37,610 --> 02:23:40,830
Flotsam 6:30 PM.

2961
02:23:40,830 --> 02:23:42,970
And they're looking for
6 to eight volunteers.

2962
02:23:42,970 --> 02:23:45,790
If anybody in the community
wants to help them out with some

2963
02:23:45,790 --> 02:23:51,210
of the things they need done
September 9 taste of Pekin,

2964
02:23:51,210 --> 02:23:54,490
which will be held
downtown September 12,

2965
02:23:54,490 --> 02:23:59,490
will be the Marigold parade
September 10 through the 12th.

2966
02:23:59,490 --> 02:24:02,310
The fire department is going
to be doing the fill the boot

2967
02:24:02,310 --> 02:24:03,850
for muscular dystrophy.

2968
02:24:03,850 --> 02:24:07,470
Nice and Josh and I talked.

2969
02:24:07,470 --> 02:24:09,750
We both have heard
a couple rumors

2970
02:24:09,750 --> 02:24:14,820
circulating around town about
the bowling alley, I believe.

2971
02:24:14,820 --> 02:24:18,420
Sunset lanes not opening because
the city has an ordinance.

2972
02:24:18,420 --> 02:24:20,240
If you're not making a
profit, that the city

2973
02:24:20,240 --> 02:24:21,480
can close you down.

2974
02:24:21,480 --> 02:24:23,920
That is not true.

2975
02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:25,220
Just want to get ahead of that.

2976
02:24:25,220 --> 02:24:29,280
The city did not close them down
because they don't make profit.

2977
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:32,260
Business survival
of the fittest.

2978
02:24:32,260 --> 02:24:35,100
I mean, business runs
their own business.

2979
02:24:35,100 --> 02:24:37,020
We do not get involved
in any of that.

2980
02:24:37,020 --> 02:24:40,080
So I just want to make
sure we clarify that rumor

2981
02:24:40,080 --> 02:24:41,620
that is not accurate.

2982
02:24:41,620 --> 02:24:42,180
All right.

2983
02:24:42,180 --> 02:24:42,700
Thank you.

2984
02:24:42,700 --> 02:24:47,880
That's all we have
from staff, Mr. hilst.

2985
02:24:47,880 --> 02:24:50,640
Nothing thank you, Mr. Nutter.

2986
02:24:50,640 --> 02:24:52,220
John Stole all my thunder.

2987
02:24:52,220 --> 02:24:54,920
But I do have a question
for the street closure.

2988
02:24:54,920 --> 02:24:58,180
Are you going to publish it out
on social media and everything.

2989
02:24:58,180 --> 02:25:02,040
Also on the government website
or the government post.

2990
02:25:02,040 --> 02:25:03,300
We'll put it out
on social media.

2991
02:25:03,300 --> 02:25:04,640
Thank you.

2992
02:25:04,640 --> 02:25:08,160
That's it MS Phillips.

2993
02:25:08,160 --> 02:25:09,160
Oh, you want to.

2994
02:25:09,160 --> 02:25:11,520
You want to wait Mr. Fletcher.

2995
02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:15,820
Nothing thank you Mr. Abel, I've
been asked by a lot of people.

2996
02:25:15,820 --> 02:25:19,980
Well, a lot of the cones
disappear from Marigold.

2997
02:25:19,980 --> 02:25:24,940
Will they have enough to get
traffic somewhat back to normal.

2998
02:25:24,940 --> 02:25:27,740
Just normal.

2999
02:25:27,740 --> 02:25:28,760
Well that's true.

3000
02:25:28,760 --> 02:25:31,060
Yeah you're right.

3001
02:25:31,060 --> 02:25:33,100
I imagine they're going to
have to have some out there

3002
02:25:33,100 --> 02:25:37,100
still for safety, but I'll let
Justin answer that if he knows.

3003
02:25:37,100 --> 02:25:38,340
So there.

3004
02:25:38,340 --> 02:25:41,420
The goal is for 14th to
have the overhead mast

3005
02:25:41,420 --> 02:25:43,240
lights back up and flashing.

3006
02:25:43,240 --> 02:25:46,940
Just that's we're
on track for that.

3007
02:25:46,940 --> 02:25:49,780
The sidewalk should all be
completed, which will allow us

3008
02:25:49,780 --> 02:25:55,700
to pull back some give a little
bit of additional lane width,

3009
02:25:55,700 --> 02:25:59,460
but the mill and overlay
won't be completed yet, so.

3010
02:25:59,460 --> 02:26:02,200
Yeah, I noticed there's been
a few Saturday working too.

3011
02:26:02,200 --> 02:26:07,270
So So we have biweekly
meetings on this

3012
02:26:07,270 --> 02:26:10,150
and it's been discussed
since like June.

3013
02:26:10,150 --> 02:26:12,090
How that would fall
with the schedule.

3014
02:26:12,090 --> 02:26:18,270
And so I think Audubon should
complete most of their work

3015
02:26:18,270 --> 02:26:20,210
the week ahead of the Marigold.

3016
02:26:20,210 --> 02:26:24,310
And then we're going to try to
accommodate as much foot traffic

3017
02:26:24,310 --> 02:26:26,390
as we can through
that intersection

3018
02:26:26,390 --> 02:26:29,390
should be a little better
than last year, actually.

3019
02:26:29,390 --> 02:26:30,010
Thank you.

3020
02:26:30,010 --> 02:26:32,270
Yep miss hofheimer.

3021
02:26:32,270 --> 02:26:33,510
I have nothing tonight.

3022
02:26:33,510 --> 02:26:35,250
Well, I'm going
to tell you this.

3023
02:26:35,250 --> 02:26:38,510
I'm not going to say
anything because it's waiting

3024
02:26:38,510 --> 02:26:39,970
between me and a late dinner.

3025
02:26:39,970 --> 02:26:43,750
So Chair would entertain
a motion to adjourn.

3026
02:26:43,750 --> 02:26:44,490
Oh, peg.

3027
02:26:44,490 --> 02:26:45,230
I'm sorry.

3028
02:26:45,230 --> 02:26:49,430
I guess I'm my dinner
is going to wait.

3029
02:26:49,430 --> 02:26:53,430
Oh, Mary, I'm so sorry.

3030
02:26:53,430 --> 02:26:58,670
I want to briefly address
some of the things

3031
02:26:58,670 --> 02:27:00,670
that Mr. Greer brought up.

3032
02:27:00,670 --> 02:27:01,990
Oh, sure.

3033
02:27:01,990 --> 02:27:06,400
I was not on the
council previously,

3034
02:27:06,400 --> 02:27:08,260
I happened to notice.

3035
02:27:08,260 --> 02:27:12,480
On my YouTube alerts that
the city of Pekin had posted

3036
02:27:12,480 --> 02:27:14,480
a video of a meeting.

3037
02:27:14,480 --> 02:27:17,780
And so I thought, hey, I
should watch that hearing.

3038
02:27:17,780 --> 02:27:21,080
And that's what I actually
did with part of my weekend

3039
02:27:21,080 --> 02:27:25,480
was watch the roughly
two hour hearing.

3040
02:27:25,480 --> 02:27:33,700
And I will say that for anyone
else who casually watched it,

3041
02:27:33,700 --> 02:27:36,960
it was confusing for
someone who doesn't

3042
02:27:36,960 --> 02:27:39,880
understand procedure and law.

3043
02:27:39,880 --> 02:27:44,800
And it took me a little bit to
catch on to what was going on.

3044
02:27:44,800 --> 02:27:48,800
And I don't think it
was ever clear to people

3045
02:27:48,800 --> 02:27:52,400
who don't know how these
things work, what happened.

3046
02:27:52,400 --> 02:27:56,520
So I'm going to try to give
you a really brief, two

3047
02:27:56,520 --> 02:28:01,320
minute summary of
what this happened

3048
02:28:01,320 --> 02:28:05,370
with the electoral
board meeting.

3049
02:28:05,370 --> 02:28:11,250
The case that was
brought, Mr. Geer went in

3050
02:28:11,250 --> 02:28:18,290
and he turned in his
petition to have the question

3051
02:28:18,290 --> 02:28:20,490
on the next ballot.

3052
02:28:20,490 --> 02:28:25,770
And after he turned
in his petition,

3053
02:28:25,770 --> 02:28:31,570
I believe Mr. Newman
and somebody else

3054
02:28:31,570 --> 02:28:35,650
reviewed the petition and
said there's legal problems

3055
02:28:35,650 --> 02:28:37,410
with this petition.

3056
02:28:37,410 --> 02:28:40,290
Now, was Mr. Newman, wasn't it.

3057
02:28:40,290 --> 02:28:45,210
Yes and Baker and
Newman, thank you.

3058
02:28:45,210 --> 02:28:47,850
I tried to look it up,
but I lost the pause

3059
02:28:47,850 --> 02:28:50,930
button on the YouTube video.

3060
02:28:50,930 --> 02:28:57,650
Those citizens filed
a complaint, basically

3061
02:28:57,650 --> 02:29:02,860
an objection that the
laws weren't followed

3062
02:29:02,860 --> 02:29:06,740
with the application
to put it on the ballot

3063
02:29:06,740 --> 02:29:10,320
that their side
was not our side.

3064
02:29:10,320 --> 02:29:12,780
It wasn't the
electoral board side,

3065
02:29:12,780 --> 02:29:15,500
it was Baker Newman's side.

3066
02:29:15,500 --> 02:29:19,240
So Baker Newman
and their counsel,

3067
02:29:19,240 --> 02:29:22,700
they went through
the petition and they

3068
02:29:22,700 --> 02:29:25,980
found four areas of concern.

3069
02:29:25,980 --> 02:29:30,120
Three of the areas were very
on the face technical areas.

3070
02:29:30,120 --> 02:29:33,540
And the fourth had to do
with maybe some questions

3071
02:29:33,540 --> 02:29:36,220
about signatures.

3072
02:29:36,220 --> 02:29:41,460
I won't go into all the tech,
but the big tech was apparently

3073
02:29:41,460 --> 02:29:46,780
under Illinois law, a question
to accomplish what they wanted

3074
02:29:46,780 --> 02:29:51,140
to accomplish had to be
worded exactly like was

3075
02:29:51,140 --> 02:29:55,700
laid out in the law,
and that petition

3076
02:29:55,700 --> 02:29:58,910
did not have that wording.

3077
02:29:58,910 --> 02:30:04,390
And Mr. Greer offered to
change the wording for it

3078
02:30:04,390 --> 02:30:06,070
to be on the ballot.

3079
02:30:06,070 --> 02:30:09,070
And even if the
electoral board wanted

3080
02:30:09,070 --> 02:30:13,470
to accommodate that can't
change the wording after people

3081
02:30:13,470 --> 02:30:14,770
sign the petition.

3082
02:30:14,770 --> 02:30:20,070
As I stated that, I just
wanted to reiterate that it's

3083
02:30:20,070 --> 02:30:22,990
because you go out and you
give the people the paper

3084
02:30:22,990 --> 02:30:25,050
and you say, do you
want this on the ballot.

3085
02:30:25,050 --> 02:30:28,230
And they go, yes, that's the
question I want on the ballot.

3086
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:29,590
There's no take backs.

3087
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:35,910
Once they've signed that one
because and the two other tech

3088
02:30:35,910 --> 02:30:40,550
issues, the binding whatever,
but because that one

3089
02:30:40,550 --> 02:30:45,670
is on its face,
clearly not true.

3090
02:30:45,670 --> 02:30:48,870
It doesn't meet the
statutory requirement.

3091
02:30:48,870 --> 02:30:53,390
It really didn't matter what
the parties had brought up

3092
02:30:53,390 --> 02:30:56,550
about the signatures
and the pages

3093
02:30:56,550 --> 02:30:59,290
in the binding and all of that.

3094
02:30:59,290 --> 02:31:03,270
So the hearing never even
talked about the signatures,

3095
02:31:03,270 --> 02:31:05,690
because they'd
already determined

3096
02:31:05,690 --> 02:31:08,690
that based on the law,
the question could not be

3097
02:31:08,690 --> 02:31:11,730
placed on this upcoming ballot.

3098
02:31:11,730 --> 02:31:17,570
Any other details
whatnot on that.

3099
02:31:17,570 --> 02:31:22,010
The Mr. Greer does
have an opportunity.

3100
02:31:22,010 --> 02:31:24,530
If he believes
that the board made

3101
02:31:24,530 --> 02:31:31,930
an incorrect legal decision,
he can appeal the law to.

3102
02:31:31,930 --> 02:31:33,270
I'm not exactly sure.

3103
02:31:33,270 --> 02:31:37,490
I'm sure a lawyer knows
they can file an appeal

3104
02:31:37,490 --> 02:31:40,930
and say we shouldn't
be held to that law

3105
02:31:40,930 --> 02:31:43,530
or that law was misinterpreted.

3106
02:31:43,530 --> 02:31:46,170
That's certainly
up to the courts.

3107
02:31:46,170 --> 02:31:50,470
But I just felt like,
sorry, I took three minutes.

3108
02:31:50,470 --> 02:31:53,450
I felt like some people
out there might not

3109
02:31:53,450 --> 02:31:54,590
want to go through all that.

3110
02:31:54,590 --> 02:31:57,020
And even if they went
all through the hearing,

3111
02:31:57,020 --> 02:32:00,340
a lot of that was a lot of legal
stuff that kind of went, hi.

3112
02:32:00,340 --> 02:32:03,440
And I hope that my bullet
points summed it up for people.

3113
02:32:03,440 --> 02:32:04,140
Thank you.

3114
02:32:04,140 --> 02:32:05,420
Thank you.

3115
02:32:05,420 --> 02:32:09,340
Chair will now entertain
a motion for adjournment.

3116
02:32:09,340 --> 02:32:11,660
Madam Mayor, I move
that we adjourn.

3117
02:32:11,660 --> 02:32:13,940
Second Motion made by.

3118
02:32:13,940 --> 02:32:18,640
Motion made by Mr. Fletcher
and seconded by Mr. Abel.

3119
02:32:18,640 --> 02:32:21,940


3120
02:32:21,940 --> 02:32:23,120
Council, take your vote.

3121
02:32:23,120 --> 02:32:27,100


3122
02:32:27,100 --> 02:32:28,160
I signed out.

3123
02:32:28,160 --> 02:32:28,880
Did you.

3124
02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:33,180


3125
02:32:33,180 --> 02:32:33,800
And maybe.

3126
02:32:33,800 --> 02:32:36,720
Motion motion passes 6 minus 0.

3127
02:32:36,720 --> 02:32:39,300
But Karen signed out.

3128
02:32:39,300 --> 02:32:41,610
Good night, everyone.

3129
02:32:41,610 --> 02:32:54,000