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[Captioner Present]

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>> I want to thank you for your comments and everything that

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the Citizens Budget Commission does.

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It's more important to us now that we

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have citizens looking at every nickel that comes into the city

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and going out of the city and.

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More important that we have that in place now than ever before.

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You are very talented group of people in terms

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of financial capabilities.

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We want you to continue being watchful for any opportunity

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that we can.

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To do a better job in the city.

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Not just internally but also for the taxpayer.

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Thank you very much.

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Anyone else wish to be heard.

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your name and address for the record please.

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>> Hello everybody.

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My name is Laurie Henriquez.

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My address is 600 Northwest 86 Avenue, Pembroke Pines Florida.

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I am also on the board for the diversity.

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I had a question for City Manager's.

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Just need clarification comment regarding if we are city

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of approximately 180,000 people, more or less.

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The Powerpoint indicated that the assessed value of 56,000

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residents.

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Was that correct?

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>> That was households.

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>> Is there any indication about the revenue that is being

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generated or the value that is being generated for commercial

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property?

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>> Yes.

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>> Was it shown I might have missed it.

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>> It wasn't in the presentation,

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but we certainly can break that down.

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The percentage of revenue that comes

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from ad valorem for residential for commercial

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as well as for industrial permit the total

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of all those properties, as far as the taxable value

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of the city.

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It is 112 million.

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>> Including the commercial?

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>> Includes commercial and industrial, yes, it does.

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>> Thanks for the clarification.

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He mentioned being on the board for the budget.

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I'd be willing to submit my resume

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and I'd like to be involved in that level as well.

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I have a bachelor's degree in finance.

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The one thing is I don't know if anybody

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is aware that the economy, we're in a bubble.

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I feel that we are in a bubble.

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I have a bachelor's degree in finance.

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I have not been able to find work in finance.

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Commercial finance, for over a year.

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I came across Commissioner good.

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Today I went to a job interview and I was hired on the spot.

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It is a good thing.

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I monitor, we love Pembroke Pines closely.

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I see a lot of residents asking for work.

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I don't know if AI is taking away the jobs

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or making it impossible for people like Me to find work?

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Because AI is screening the year that you graduate from college.

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There is ageism.

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I can show you my resume.

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When you show up and we are talking

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about the tax exemptions.

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You are taking a money from me.

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From my table.

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From my two kids.

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>> We can't take into that subject here.

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>> I'll leave it at that.

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[Cross-talk]

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>> There are about what the state's placed restriction

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of what can be discussed in this chamber.

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>> Sorry this is my first time.

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I apologize.

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>> It is hardly your fault. It is least of all your fault.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Should be able to say whatever the heck they want.

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However, that is not the law in Florida.

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Not at least in city halls.

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We have to sit to the budget.

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You're doing so well.

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>> Can I start again?

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I wanted to put out there, Commissioner Castillo,

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I mean Mayor Castillo.

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That I cannot find work in my industry in this city.

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Almost every job that I've ever had

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has been outside of this city.

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Just keep that in mind when you guys are thinking.

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I'm pretty sure most of you also work outside of the city.

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>> Thank you for your testimony.

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I'm glad you said you got hired today.

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Congratulations!

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I'm very happy for you.

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Anybody else wish to be heard on the budget?

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Anybody else wish to be heard on the budget

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permit commissioners comment any Comments?

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>> Anyone else?

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Without further ado, this hearing is adjourned.

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We will take a short recess.

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Then we'll begin our city commission meeting.

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>> If you will come we have ordinances to read.

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First reading.

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>> Let's get back in business.

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Go ahead.

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>> Thank you Mayor and Commissioners.

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The BB a public hearing number one

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are two ordinances before you.

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One of which relates to the mileage for the city's

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upcoming fiscal year.

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Which are both for allowed for public hearing.

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They're provided for both state statute 265 Florida statutes.

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The city charter is the millage and with your permission

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I'll read into the record.

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BPH number two is ordinance 2026-09 motion to adopt Proposed

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Ordinance 2026-09 on First Reading.

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Proposed ordinance operating the millage rate of 5.6690 or $5.69

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per thousand of taxable assessed property value.

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Which is 4.5% above the rollback rate of 54226,

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for the city of Pembroke Pines, for, pursuant to the 2026-2027

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city budget, accordance with chapter 200, Florida Statutes:

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Establishing the debt service millage rate of 02507 for debt

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service on the general obligation bonds approved

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by the electorate: Providing for conflicts:

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Providing for severability providing for an effective date.

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This is the first reading of the establish of the millage.

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In accordance with state law and the City Charter.

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>> City Attorney, can I have a motion.

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And move by the Vice Mayor.

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Is there a second?

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The second by Commissioner Rodriguez.

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Any discussion?

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Anything from the public?

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We heard a yes.

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Did you have anything?

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>> Sorry.

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I wanted to follow up on special events

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during in the Recreation and Culture Arts total.

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I had highlighted this when looking at what

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the impacts of the DIY restrictions

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that we'll be having in the next year.

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Although I understand that legally moving forward,

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we cannot name these festivals or celebrate them in specific

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ways.

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My assumption is that the Caribbean Heritage Festival

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was brought down.

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I am wondering if we can put in place a similar budget

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for the upcoming year for a Caribbean music festival

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or something of that sort.

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I'm willing to move forward on this item this evening.

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Come back on second reading just see a little bit more

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of a wiggle room and that for additional budgets

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that may or may not be able to name currently.

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I think it's really important to celebrate music heritage

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or anything.

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Anything else for special events.

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On that same line, although the advertising budget in the past

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for these kind of events was quite low at $5,000 per I do

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want to put something in this space for the advertising of all

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of our events, because some of them do completely fill out

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and they've been staples in our community.

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Like Pine State, we don't technically

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have to advertise because people already come up

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and show up for that.

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For newer events, I do want to build out some kind of budget

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in that.

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In May in my fault not seeing it.

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Maybe it's in the communications budget.

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That is something.

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Is very small, but I think it's something

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that we should look forward and not simply put a zero.

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As always, we do have wiggle room in our budget.

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Maybe to come up with something a similar to the Caribbean

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Heritage Festival announced.

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If we can put a line item of new events or something like that.

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>> I can tell you, Commissioner, I'm looking at Mr. Dodge.

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He and I had a conversation about events.

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And the activities of the Diversity and Heritage Board

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as part of our ongoing one on one.

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It was his impression, Charlie, correct me if I'm wrong.

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It was your impression that somewhere in December staff

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will be ready to discuss their review

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of possible recommendations on moving forward,

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in line with the state's new rules were.

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I thought that we had talked about maybe

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what we would do when staff is ready is reviewing it to.

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Is that we would probably workshop it and see if we

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can't come up with a schedule.

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It could very well be that some of the events

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are repackaged into legally acceptable format.

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It could be that some of them will require some sponsorship.

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Some of them are pay events.

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Some are them remain free.

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Certainly the national holidays are available.

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However, while they can be acknowledged,

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they don't fall into our core service.

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We don't know -- and this is part of why I think it makes

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some sense.

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Events have always been an important part

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of the city of Pembroke Pines.

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My conversation with the manager,

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he feels that sometime in December staff will be ready.

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We can probably call together a workshop to further

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explore and understand this.

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I think it should be done together with the heritage

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Diversity Board.

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Whose name will likely need to be changed as well.

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I think all of that is probably coming in December.

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Is what I meant to say.

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>> I feel comfortable with that.

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I just want to make sure we are dedicating

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a budget at some point for the possibility

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that these events need to be changed in name or time frame.

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Things like that.

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>> Yes, man.

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>> At least a small amount of money towards digital

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advertising of these events as well.

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And if that was part of the communications plan.

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I apologize if I didn't catch that.

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>> Thank you.

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Commissioner good.

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>> I reserve that for the next item.

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However, on this item it was a concern for me as well

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to the special events.

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For me I think we all agree that these type events.

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It's the best connection that we can make with our residents.

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I do not know why we even contemplate

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any removal of any event under any circumstances.

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The special events was reduced by about $100,000 from last year

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to this year.

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In my opinion, I think that we should actually doubling that

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special event from 500,000 to 1 million.

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And then create new programing, we have the same programing year

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after year after year.

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And I've heard constantly that there's an interest

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to have additional type of programing

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for other groups of people.

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To participate within the city.

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I know that we're going to have this workshop, hearing workshop.

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But this is the budget.

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If we don't establish the budget,

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there's no guarantee that the money will be assigned

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in a workshop in December.

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I think we should making some capacity for an increase

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in special events.

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Because there's a line item that is called special events.

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It doesn't have any particular and it could be loaded up.

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That money would be reservation of either enhancement

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to existing programing or a creation of new programing.

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I am in full support of that.

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That's one of the big concerns that I had in this.

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This is a half $1 million and a $600 million total budget.

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I think it's really something that

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has great impact, with regards to how we connect

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with our residents and I don't think

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there is anything wrong with increasing it.

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Making it double.

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From 500,000 to 1 million.

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>> Yes, sir.

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>> So there's no confusion.

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Adjustment to the fiscal year 26-27 budget,

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I believe Commissioner, what you're addressing.

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The December workshop is beginning structuring what

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we're going to do for the fiscal year 27-28.

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How it affects everything.

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If this is a motion of yours, we would

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have to go back and look at the budget

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and figure out how we can increase that and decide what

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we might be able to reduce.

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In order to make that happen.

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>> Can that be done between the first and second reading?

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>> Yes, it can.

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If that's the desire of the commission.

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>> Just a stipulation, can it come from the police or fire.

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If it does, it loses my vote.

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>> Does anyone object to consensus moving forward with

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that?

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Anyone else wish to speak on the item?

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>> I'll be brief.

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I would like to thank Finance Director Chung, for once again,

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presenting to the public very easy to understand process.

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I want to acknowledge that the budget is online with links.

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I have had it online agenda book now for 13 plus years.

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But when it comes to the budget, I actually

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need to have a working document.

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I want to thank you for going above and beyond

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to produce a 450 page PDF.

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Now residents can actually share and go through those as well.

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It's one of those things where you ask

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for technology to be helpful.

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Some cases it doesn't work as well as it could be.

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A couple things: One, I submitted a very detailed load

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of questions to the administration.

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Imagined that it was going to be challenging to be

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able to get all those answered by first reading.

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I respect that.

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So I narrowed down my focus and I just

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want to focus on the most material issues

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within the budget.

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One of the things is we have a $3.85 million reserve draw.

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We are using approximately 3.885 million of general fund reserves

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to balance this year's budget.

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How much of the 3.885 million is paying

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for reoccurring expenditures?

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>> Mr. Manager.

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>> Mr. Mayor, I believe finance director Chung responded to this

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question.

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However, every year, as far as I know,

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we have might say plug the number into the budget saying

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that we're using reserves.

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We've never had to do that.

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If I do not have that number in there,

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then you'd have to raise your millage rate to 3.8 million,

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which we might not need.

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What that is going to do is pass on an increase to the residents.

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>> Yes, of course.

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>> I never believed in that.

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That's why we used it.

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We're very vigilant during the year.

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We don't always spend all that money.

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There are reasons for it.

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If there's any leftover money, that goes back into reserves.

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Those reserves are always dedicated for one time

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expenditures of capital items.

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You do not use your reserves for expendable items operating

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budget.

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Because once you do, they are gone forever.

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If you committed to that, then what do you do the second year?

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Do you take another 3.8 million out of the reserves?

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So you have nothing left.

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That becomes a problem.

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>> In summary, is a one time or recurring, Mr. Dodge?

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>> In this budget, I don't anticipate using it.

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Reserves would be for one time expenditure.

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>> So your plan is one time.

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If you had to use it come it'd be one time.

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>> One time expenditures.

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>> Perfect.

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We've got increases in the general fund.

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That makes mostly up of personnel expense.

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Is that going to be the new bar in next year's budget?

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Is this a one time increase?

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>> It's one time this year.

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We can't project what it will be for future years,

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because union contracts come up on a regular basis.

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I can't tell you what that might be.

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Once we receive those documents, we

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share them with the commission.

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Then it's decided how much money we can afford to do that.

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That's what we discuss with our bargaining units.

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>> On the finance department, is $425,000 for other services.

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How much of that is new and reoccurring spending?

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>>, would you address that.

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>> Lisa Chung, associate city manager and finance director.

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Therefore in 25,000 that we have and other services is

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for facility contract services permits so those are recurring.

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>> Okay.

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>> Good news.

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We found $252,000 of an increase since August 1st budget was

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published.

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Supervisor of elections has reduced costs from 370,000 to 90

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something thousand dollars per minute as a result of that, Mr.

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Dodge, are you comfortable lowering this year's budget

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tonight by $252,000?

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>> I'd have to look at it, Commissioner,

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this has not been discussed with me prior.

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The best thing to do, instead of lowering it,

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is lowering the amount of money that we put in reserves.

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>> That was my follow up.

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>> That wouldn't change anything,

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as far as what we're proposing.

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It would not change

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[Cross-talk]

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>> Nor would it change the ability to reduce millage

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because of that.

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We're already 3.8 million in the hole.

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Whenever we find, we will continue

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to deduct from what we have budgeted from reserves.

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>> Last question : It's always challenging ever ear.

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I did ask the administration.

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I knew we were going through a budget

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exercise for something pending.

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Something in a couple of months.

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We sat at the workshop the other day

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and went through an exercise.

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The manager identified a certain amount of funding.

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My questions a couple weeks ago was,

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is there any dollars that could be reduced in this year's budget

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or deferred without cutting front line services?

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Is there anything between first and second reading ,

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that you could propose for whether it be deferred

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or reduced?

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01:09:39,473 --> 01:09:41,753
>> If I understand your question, Commissioner,

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you're talking about the current budget?

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>> This year's budget.

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[Cross-talk]

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>> I can't tell you at this point.

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We're in September.

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Usually you finalize your budget maybe a couple of months after.

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We have commitments for open purchase orders.

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Those are carried over.

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If I were to reduce something, if we

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hadn't committed to that comment we

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wouldn't be able to reduce it because we had to carry it over.

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>> But you're open to -- >> We're certainly look at it.

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We're open to it.

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Certainly.

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>> The budget board was mentioned before .

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This my last comment.

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I do anticipate a potential change,

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as far as my appointments.

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So please put the application in through the clerk's office.

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So I don't have -- so I have the ability at the next meeting

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to make a substitution change.

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01:10:47,313 --> 01:10:50,913
>> To follow up with ordinance says.

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01:10:51,286 --> 01:10:56,433
>> I'm asking the clerk to post that I'm receiving applications.

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01:10:56,433 --> 01:10:58,369
>> How many positions?

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>> One right now.

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01:10:59,266 --> 01:11:00,721
I have all my positions are filled

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at the moment within the district.

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This would be potentially what I have on the budget side.

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>> Clerk do you have that?

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>> Also I'm working on an economic development program,

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in my individual capacity.

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To look at ways that we can stimulate our immediate Pembroke

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01:11:23,793 --> 01:11:25,313
Pines economy.

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01:11:25,313 --> 01:11:28,553
Identify the industries that are being impacted by technology

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and where things are moving.

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01:11:30,809 --> 01:11:34,679
I'm sitting down with a core group of chamber members

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right now.

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And we are formulating how we can do a an outreach.

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01:11:41,177 --> 01:11:45,689
I asked the manager for this year's budget.

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To allow budget for district town halls.

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And I would utilize those funds in order

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to be able to push out information come

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01:11:55,537 --> 01:11:59,933
at least within my district, but certainly Citywide people

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01:11:59,933 --> 01:12:01,353
are hurting.

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01:12:01,353 --> 01:12:06,753
We have always been a city of forward looking.

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So I think the city of Pembroke Pines

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is in a very very good position.

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01:12:14,953 --> 01:12:17,353
We rebounded from COVID.

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01:12:17,449 --> 01:12:21,890
We rebounded from short sales back in 2008.

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And interest rates just went up.

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The mortgage rates just got established at 7% today.

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01:12:26,801 --> 01:12:29,648
We know the housing market is a little turbulent

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in the near future.

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01:12:31,335 --> 01:12:37,935
I am doing my part in this budget process, is good.

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01:12:38,621 --> 01:12:40,913
The manager is open to make adjustments when necessary.

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I know as a collegial body, we're

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going to invest dollars that are going

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to have the greatest return on investment

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back to the community.

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01:12:49,145 --> 01:12:51,273
That's what I'm looking forward to.

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Thank you for your time.

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01:12:53,593 --> 01:12:54,817
>> Thank you.

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01:12:54,817 --> 01:12:57,425
We appreciate your efforts on economic development and we know

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that you will discuss those fully with the City manager,

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01:13:00,369 --> 01:13:03,969
city attorney, and also with Mr.!.

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Before you bring your item here.

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Then from there, the commission will

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decide how to proceed with city wide town hall

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meetings and the like.

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01:13:14,373 --> 01:13:15,797
Thank you very much.

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01:13:15,797 --> 01:13:17,797
Any further discussion?

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01:13:17,933 --> 01:13:19,338
>> I have a follow up.

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01:13:19,338 --> 01:13:22,273
What was alluded to was some of the lists provided

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during amendment three conversation

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that we had on Monday.

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01:13:26,730 --> 01:13:31,806
Personally looking at the list, while that was an exercise

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conducted by administration to show us

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possible effects, possible items that could be cut in the future.

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I look at this and I don't feel comfortable for at least

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01:13:41,610 --> 01:13:46,553
this year, if we do not have to absolutely cut down on these.

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01:13:46,553 --> 01:13:51,353
Because to me, these are also essential services.

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01:13:51,705 --> 01:13:54,990
I just want to put that on the record.

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01:13:54,990 --> 01:13:55,550
>> I appreciate that.

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01:13:55,550 --> 01:13:58,393
This commission come Mr. Dodge, Mr. Gordon,

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01:13:58,393 --> 01:14:02,193
retains the ability to amend the budget at any time.

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01:14:02,193 --> 01:14:04,193
>> Legally, correct.

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01:14:04,313 --> 01:14:05,903
>> Anything from the commission?

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None.

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01:14:06,733 --> 01:14:09,133
Hearing from the public?

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01:14:09,417 --> 01:14:12,903
Seeing none all those in favor.

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01:14:12,903 --> 01:14:14,903
Passes unanimously.

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01:14:15,819 --> 01:14:19,113
>> For the record, we tell the public after the approval

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and first reading, the second and final budget is scheduled

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for 6 p.m.

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On Wednesday, September 16th, 2026 in these chambers.

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The notification is a reference to the millage as proposed

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in the first adopted millage.

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01:14:36,463 --> 01:14:38,463
Page number three.

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01:14:38,926 --> 01:14:40,294
May I read.

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PB eight number three is a motion

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to adopt ordinance number 2026 dash ten on first reading.

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01:14:45,953 --> 01:14:48,486
The record proposed ordinance number 2026 ten

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is an ordinance of the city Pembroke Pines Florida.

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Adopting the budget for fiscal year 2026 2027

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and adopting the five year Capital Improvement Program

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for the City of Pembroke Pines, Florida,

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in accordance with section 5.08 of the City Charter,

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providing conflicts, providing for severability

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and providing for an effective date.

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Second and final reading is scheduled for Wednesday, 726,

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2026 --

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September 16th, 2026.

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01:15:27,330 --> 01:15:29,404
>> Is there a motion?

507
01:15:29,404 --> 01:15:31,179
Is there second?

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01:15:31,179 --> 01:15:33,179
Thank you.

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01:15:34,730 --> 01:15:37,233
>> Please understand that my questions are somewhere

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01:15:37,233 --> 01:15:39,977
submitted to the staff and they respond and still

511
01:15:39,977 --> 01:15:42,377
there's a number of other questions that I had in regards

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to the budget.

513
01:15:43,337 --> 01:15:48,513
It's all been reminded that we see the detailed budget Monday.

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Today is Thursday.

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01:16:37,916 --> 01:16:41,817
>>-- one was for a general fund and one was for utilities.

516
01:16:41,817 --> 01:16:45,533
I think another one for road and bridge.

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01:16:45,533 --> 01:16:46,838
>> One more page here.

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Flip one more.

519
01:16:48,633 --> 01:16:50,633
>> Capital budget 10.4.

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Following pages capital items.

521
01:16:53,313 --> 01:16:56,113
This is what's in the current budget.

522
01:16:56,113 --> 01:16:58,169
>> Go to page 14 on the slides.

523
01:16:58,169 --> 01:17:00,393
The next slide please.

524
01:17:00,393 --> 01:17:04,953
I just want to clarify on this simple thing.

525
01:17:04,953 --> 01:17:08,529
I didn't pick this up until looking at the Powerpoint.

526
01:17:08,529 --> 01:17:13,929
The fire rescue it shows 1.2 million for fire engine.

527
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:16,453
>> Yes.

528
01:17:16,453 --> 01:17:18,453
>> Is that correct?

529
01:17:18,473 --> 01:17:19,713
>> Yes.

530
01:17:19,713 --> 01:17:22,713
>> On page 336 of the budget .

531
01:17:27,329 --> 01:17:30,779
It would be object number six 64450,

532
01:17:30,779 --> 01:17:34,379
which is in the fire budget.

533
01:17:39,632 --> 01:17:41,632
Page 336.

534
01:17:42,672 --> 01:17:47,472
664450, which is -- >> What was it again, Commissioner?

535
01:17:59,991 --> 01:18:01,991
>> 664450, titled Fire engine.

536
01:18:01,993 --> 01:18:05,593
And the number here is $2.27 million.

537
01:18:07,233 --> 01:18:09,633
The power is 1.2 million.

538
01:18:12,137 --> 01:18:14,493
Clarity, which is at?

539
01:18:14,493 --> 01:18:16,385
Is supposed to be 1.2 million and it's

540
01:18:16,385 --> 01:18:18,785
incorrect in the budget?

541
01:18:18,926 --> 01:18:20,907
>> I believe at one time we had two.

542
01:18:20,907 --> 01:18:23,819
I don't know if it's corrected.

543
01:18:23,819 --> 01:18:25,245
>> It's in the budget right now.

544
01:18:25,245 --> 01:18:26,389
Is 2.2.

545
01:18:26,389 --> 01:18:29,490
Is that $1 million that we all of a sudden

546
01:18:29,490 --> 01:18:34,393
found to be able to put in our events?

547
01:18:34,393 --> 01:18:39,193
>> We can reduce our >> That will help reserves,

548
01:18:41,368 --> 01:18:41,993
that's correct.

549
01:18:41,993 --> 01:18:43,733
>> Not necessarily.

550
01:18:43,733 --> 01:18:46,830
>> I don't need the explanation, other than the fact

551
01:18:46,830 --> 01:18:48,330
of what's right.

552
01:18:48,330 --> 01:18:51,393
>> For asking the question, let the chief answer.

553
01:18:51,393 --> 01:18:53,593
>> I didn't ask the question.

554
01:18:53,593 --> 01:18:55,993
>> Marcel Rodriguez, fire chief.

555
01:18:56,253 --> 01:18:58,699
Commissioner, the line item you're looking at

556
01:18:58,699 --> 01:19:01,130
is a combination of both the fire engine

557
01:19:01,130 --> 01:19:03,573
and the tactical support unit.

558
01:19:03,573 --> 01:19:06,993
The tactical support unit is not a truck

559
01:19:06,993 --> 01:19:10,186
that replace on a regular basis permit it is not

560
01:19:10,186 --> 01:19:13,786
used as often as the engine.

561
01:19:16,813 --> 01:19:19,633
No Capitoline for the tactical support unit.

562
01:19:19,633 --> 01:19:23,833
So it's combined with the fire engine.

563
01:19:28,842 --> 01:19:30,217
>> With that, I apologize, mayor,

564
01:19:30,217 --> 01:19:34,417
there's a $2.5 million contingency in the budget.

565
01:19:35,113 --> 01:19:37,513
In the budget, right?

566
01:19:39,129 --> 01:19:43,889
That's was my think that we could pull for some

567
01:19:43,889 --> 01:19:46,289
of the recreation events.

568
01:19:48,193 --> 01:19:48,706
Right?

569
01:19:48,706 --> 01:19:53,843
I would like to have now between second reading,

570
01:19:53,843 --> 01:19:58,121
I guess a historical perspective of the contingency fund

571
01:19:58,121 --> 01:20:02,630
permit how much we've budgeted, how much we've worked

572
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:05,303
and how much has been a part of the carryover.

573
01:20:05,303 --> 01:20:10,409
I know the contingency is when a storm hits we

574
01:20:10,409 --> 01:20:11,617
have to clean up the streets.

575
01:20:11,617 --> 01:20:13,503
That's the money been sitting.

576
01:20:13,503 --> 01:20:14,846
Until we get reimbursed.

577
01:20:14,846 --> 01:20:18,410
I kind of want to know where we've been with the contingency.

578
01:20:18,410 --> 01:20:21,590
We need to have some options to be

579
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:25,793
able to move some money around to support

580
01:20:25,793 --> 01:20:31,793
programing that we rightfully need to have in the city.

581
01:20:32,673 --> 01:20:36,497
>> Commissioner, we can give you detail from prior years on how

582
01:20:36,497 --> 01:20:38,233
the contingency is used.

583
01:20:38,233 --> 01:20:41,833
And therefore items that are unexpected.

584
01:20:43,273 --> 01:20:47,473
>> Don't go back like to 1992 or something.

585
01:20:47,824 --> 01:20:51,600
I just want something realistic that we

586
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:54,633
can say that we have the ability to move monies around.

587
01:20:54,633 --> 01:21:00,330
I know sometimes when there's nonprofits or political action

588
01:21:01,553 --> 01:21:05,753
committees, sponsorship monies come out of that.

589
01:21:05,953 --> 01:21:08,286
>> I'm not aware of any political action committees that

590
01:21:08,286 --> 01:21:12,486
have ever been funded by the city.

591
01:21:13,353 --> 01:21:15,353
>> Committees maybe.

592
01:21:16,206 --> 01:21:20,406
>> Can I have my floor back, please.

593
01:21:21,801 --> 01:21:23,433
Thank you very much.

594
01:21:23,433 --> 01:21:26,433
On page 340 of the budget .

595
01:21:29,253 --> 01:21:36,453
It is a line item 546155 comets R and m land and building school

596
01:21:36,453 --> 01:21:38,453
major project.

597
01:21:39,433 --> 01:21:42,433
There are several billion dollars

598
01:21:43,253 --> 01:21:47,453
of school building projects that are being

599
01:21:47,697 --> 01:21:51,297
done under a general fund teir.

600
01:21:52,330 --> 01:21:55,246
And I was under the understanding

601
01:21:55,246 --> 01:22:00,153
that maybe schools were going to be done under school budgets.

602
01:22:00,153 --> 01:22:02,386
Not necessarily under general fund.

603
01:22:02,386 --> 01:22:05,681
I'd like to get an explanation of why

604
01:22:05,681 --> 01:22:10,993
we are spending money for schools under general funds.

605
01:22:10,993 --> 01:22:13,726
>> Mr. Dodge, certainly, this question has come up

606
01:22:13,726 --> 01:22:14,545
in the past.

607
01:22:14,545 --> 01:22:17,393
These are city owned buildings.

608
01:22:17,393 --> 01:22:21,533
The schools actually pay the debt on it.

609
01:22:21,533 --> 01:22:24,777
The building themselves belong to the schools.

610
01:22:24,777 --> 01:22:28,377
If, for example, there are repairs

611
01:22:28,993 --> 01:22:33,753
needed for the facilities, such as reroofing or doors.

612
01:22:33,753 --> 01:22:36,330
We've always paid for it out of that fund.

613
01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:40,113
Out of the city fund, because they are

614
01:22:40,113 --> 01:22:43,588
in fact property of the city.

615
01:22:43,588 --> 01:22:49,593
If we were to use school funds, at some time in the future,

616
01:22:49,593 --> 01:22:52,646
if we didn't continue with charter schools.

617
01:22:52,646 --> 01:22:57,609
There may be a claim on those funds back.

618
01:22:57,609 --> 01:23:00,230
That's why we always use the general fund.

619
01:23:00,230 --> 01:23:04,823
That we've done historically for the last 25 years.

620
01:23:06,153 --> 01:23:08,333
>> Will have more conversation on that.

621
01:23:08,333 --> 01:23:12,533
You're saying, it is an authorized expense

622
01:23:15,953 --> 01:23:17,873
under a general fund.

623
01:23:17,873 --> 01:23:20,849
Using tax dollars for schools.

624
01:23:20,849 --> 01:23:24,177
The second thing, the next thing is

625
01:23:24,177 --> 01:23:26,123
I'm looking at vehicle replacements.

626
01:23:26,123 --> 01:23:30,105
It looks like it's about 4 or $5 million cost.

627
01:23:30,105 --> 01:23:33,753
Probably just like to have a general conversation

628
01:23:33,753 --> 01:23:36,225
on what is that replacement cycle for some

629
01:23:36,225 --> 01:23:38,225
of these vehicles.

630
01:23:38,499 --> 01:23:41,193
>> I don't know what line item you're looking at.

631
01:23:41,193 --> 01:23:43,193
>> It's throughout.

632
01:23:43,563 --> 01:23:48,963
Like replacement of vehicles and it totals about $5 million.

633
01:23:49,650 --> 01:23:50,353
It's through a lot.

634
01:23:50,353 --> 01:23:52,897
I'd like to understand whether replacement schedule is.

635
01:23:52,897 --> 01:23:55,681
I'll replace them after four years?

636
01:23:55,681 --> 01:23:57,273
After six?

637
01:23:57,273 --> 01:23:59,273
After ten years?

638
01:24:00,730 --> 01:24:03,219
>> Commissioner, it depends on the vehicle.

639
01:24:03,219 --> 01:24:07,561
It has to deal with the condition of the vehicle.

640
01:24:07,561 --> 01:24:11,313
Most of our vehicles last a lot longer than that.

641
01:24:11,313 --> 01:24:16,186
We have equipment in some areas that is ten, 15 years old.

642
01:24:16,186 --> 01:24:19,410
There are others that the lifespan of it

643
01:24:19,410 --> 01:24:22,579
come if example, in police cars is less because

644
01:24:22,579 --> 01:24:26,930
of the miles on the road.

645
01:24:26,930 --> 01:24:28,930
There are replacements.

646
01:24:28,773 --> 01:24:31,653
Occasionally, there may be a new vehicle

647
01:24:31,653 --> 01:24:33,730
that's needed for some purpose.

648
01:24:33,730 --> 01:24:36,673
This also includes trailers, dump trucks,

649
01:24:37,153 --> 01:24:41,886
or whatever it might be for that particular department.

650
01:24:41,886 --> 01:24:45,290
>> I'll take a look and see how it compares to interest norm.

651
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:47,960
Just to make sure.

652
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:50,886
I know newer vehicles are obviously better.

653
01:24:50,886 --> 01:24:53,886
Nowadays, the way maintenance vehicles,

654
01:24:55,730 --> 01:24:56,738
they last a lot longer sometimes.

655
01:24:56,738 --> 01:24:59,906
Somebody charge can be pushed farther out.

656
01:24:59,906 --> 01:25:01,633
Lasts a little bit longer.

657
01:25:01,633 --> 01:25:04,330
So we'll have that conversation again.

658
01:25:04,330 --> 01:25:07,957
Another item here is not in the budget.

659
01:25:07,957 --> 01:25:12,893
We had talked about having a professional solid waste

660
01:25:12,893 --> 01:25:13,393
manager.

661
01:25:13,393 --> 01:25:17,603
I see it was not included in the additional staffing.

662
01:25:17,603 --> 01:25:20,895
I think we're in a position right now where we really

663
01:25:20,895 --> 01:25:23,993
need to have a professional solid waste

664
01:25:23,993 --> 01:25:27,353
person, who understands this industry throughout.

665
01:25:27,353 --> 01:25:32,170
Who has spent their career in solid waste.

666
01:25:32,170 --> 01:25:34,170
Very simple things.

667
01:25:34,969 --> 01:25:38,433
I was taking a look at our code of ordinances

668
01:25:38,433 --> 01:25:40,147
and our solid waste codes.

669
01:25:40,147 --> 01:25:42,419
It is so out of date.

670
01:25:42,419 --> 01:25:45,553
I do not understand why it's not being brought up

671
01:25:45,553 --> 01:25:46,689
to current code.

672
01:25:46,689 --> 01:25:50,145
We are still making reference to flow control.

673
01:25:50,145 --> 01:25:52,726
Do not flow control means?

674
01:25:52,726 --> 01:25:55,786
You have to bring your solid waste to where we tell you.

675
01:25:55,786 --> 01:25:59,369
And the reference in the code is to a disposal agreement

676
01:25:59,369 --> 01:26:01,849
with router, that no longer exists.

677
01:26:01,849 --> 01:26:05,133
When you look at other aspects of the code,

678
01:26:05,133 --> 01:26:07,249
they are just very simply outdated.

679
01:26:07,249 --> 01:26:11,553
What was even more surprising, one of the issues

680
01:26:11,553 --> 01:26:14,657
we're trying to deal with right now, is recycling.

681
01:26:14,657 --> 01:26:18,253
Our code does not even speak to recycling.

682
01:26:18,253 --> 01:26:22,453
So that is something that a professional

683
01:26:23,330 --> 01:26:29,550
would be able to grab a hold of and at least bring

684
01:26:29,550 --> 01:26:32,610
our code to current compliance with the way we operate,

685
01:26:32,610 --> 01:26:33,110
actually.

686
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:36,577
We need somebody to actually really pay attention and monitor

687
01:26:36,577 --> 01:26:38,209
what's going on.

688
01:26:38,209 --> 01:26:39,913
Waste Authority now and everything's

689
01:26:39,913 --> 01:26:41,213
starting to go in gear.

690
01:26:41,213 --> 01:26:43,273
The last meeting we talked about that we're

691
01:26:43,273 --> 01:26:46,893
going to do some composting and some vegetative material.

692
01:26:46,893 --> 01:26:50,580
Mr. Mayor, a wonderful letter you sent out there.

693
01:26:50,580 --> 01:26:51,509
I really appreciate that.

694
01:26:51,509 --> 01:26:53,633
You made it very clear.

695
01:26:53,633 --> 01:26:57,101
I didn't want it to stink and we don't want traffic.

696
01:26:57,101 --> 01:26:59,113
And that's a real statement.

697
01:26:59,113 --> 01:27:01,697
People think that green waste doesn't smell.

698
01:27:01,697 --> 01:27:06,630
The reason why Fort Lauderdale disbanded their green composting

699
01:27:06,630 --> 01:27:08,900
is because it smelled.

700
01:27:08,900 --> 01:27:10,916
Mayor did a great job of pushing it out.

701
01:27:10,916 --> 01:27:12,833
We need someone paying attention to those kind

702
01:27:12,833 --> 01:27:14,833
of things that are happening.

703
01:27:14,833 --> 01:27:18,433
Again, I've got to reiterate and because I've really angers me

704
01:27:18,433 --> 01:27:22,830
that we miss the opportunity to go to Broward County

705
01:27:22,830 --> 01:27:25,830
and protest their zoning change.

706
01:27:25,493 --> 01:27:30,413
Their zoning amendment that allowed the landfill that is

707
01:27:30,413 --> 01:27:34,846
West Pines to go from 100ft to 300ft.

708
01:27:34,846 --> 01:27:37,973
If they want to do a 300 foot landfill,

709
01:27:37,973 --> 01:27:40,615
there is no stopping it now.

710
01:27:40,615 --> 01:27:45,243
We had a chance to speak it and we missed the opportunity.

711
01:27:45,243 --> 01:27:47,713
Again I think having a professional that

712
01:27:47,713 --> 01:27:50,929
knows those kind of things, pays attention, brings it

713
01:27:50,929 --> 01:27:53,913
to awareness to city manager and to others

714
01:27:53,913 --> 01:27:57,593
who may be participating in this solid waste arena.

715
01:27:57,593 --> 01:28:00,761
I'm telling, again, to my colleagues,

716
01:28:00,761 --> 01:28:02,333
this is something I think we really

717
01:28:02,333 --> 01:28:04,657
should be giving direction to the city manager

718
01:28:04,657 --> 01:28:06,833
to include solid waste manager.

719
01:28:06,833 --> 01:28:09,393
A professional in the industry.

720
01:28:09,393 --> 01:28:12,833
A position with the city of Pembroke Pines.

721
01:28:12,833 --> 01:28:16,118
>> I agree that you should take a look at it.

722
01:28:16,118 --> 01:28:18,499
It should be funded out of the trash fees.

723
01:28:18,499 --> 01:28:23,413
If we need a position there, because the environment

724
01:28:23,413 --> 01:28:24,179
is changing.

725
01:28:24,179 --> 01:28:26,273
That's the way it should go.

726
01:28:26,273 --> 01:28:30,123
I know you have an assistant city manager who is operating

727
01:28:30,123 --> 01:28:32,523
as the environmental overseer.

728
01:28:35,953 --> 01:28:40,153
I know these individuals probably answer there.

729
01:28:44,113 --> 01:28:46,433
If there's a feeling that we need

730
01:28:46,433 --> 01:28:48,953
to have one more person to get these things done,

731
01:28:48,953 --> 01:28:52,993
I think it should absolutely be evaluated.

732
01:28:52,993 --> 01:28:54,699
>> You said director or manager?

733
01:28:54,699 --> 01:28:58,899
There's a >> Right now, we do have

734
01:28:59,851 --> 01:29:02,180
sustainable and one of these assistant city manager.

735
01:29:02,180 --> 01:29:04,229
He's doing a great job.

736
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:05,123
There's nothing.

737
01:29:05,123 --> 01:29:07,945
I'm really impressed with the growth that

738
01:29:07,945 --> 01:29:10,945
has occurred since taking that.

739
01:29:11,833 --> 01:29:13,806
I've been in this business 2530 years,

740
01:29:13,806 --> 01:29:16,993
I'm telling you I still don't know anything.

741
01:29:16,993 --> 01:29:21,826
It's the more you know, the less you know type thing.

742
01:29:21,826 --> 01:29:23,486
It shifts all the time.

743
01:29:23,486 --> 01:29:26,863
It would be a great asset to the assistant city manager

744
01:29:26,863 --> 01:29:29,713
to oversee that part of the operation.

745
01:29:29,713 --> 01:29:32,313
>> Do you need a motion for this?

746
01:29:32,313 --> 01:29:34,393
>> I think taking note of what we're saying.

747
01:29:34,393 --> 01:29:37,897
I do not hear any objection to it.

748
01:29:37,897 --> 01:29:41,846
That's pretty clear that something you'd like to look at.

749
01:29:41,846 --> 01:29:45,793
>> I'd like to ask the city attorney for a legal question.

750
01:29:45,793 --> 01:29:50,402
It is my understanding that voters of Broward County

751
01:29:50,402 --> 01:29:52,569
gave the county authority to do whatever they wanted

752
01:29:52,569 --> 01:29:55,257
on the property that they own.

753
01:29:55,257 --> 01:29:57,513
Right through the referendum.

754
01:29:57,513 --> 01:30:01,873
Was it two cycles ago or something like that?

755
01:30:01,873 --> 01:30:03,873
>> City attorney?

756
01:30:04,193 --> 01:30:08,970
>> My recollection is that there were referendums in recent years

757
01:30:08,970 --> 01:30:10,689
on the ballot referencing protecting certain lands.

758
01:30:10,689 --> 01:30:14,763
That was a specific issue on the ballot regarding the county's

759
01:30:14,763 --> 01:30:18,833
inability to modify the use or land use of certain regionally

760
01:30:18,833 --> 01:30:20,330
significant properties.

761
01:30:20,330 --> 01:30:22,433
Not specifically, environmentally sensitive,

762
01:30:22,966 --> 01:30:24,763
but restricted properties.

763
01:30:24,763 --> 01:30:28,133
But the county is always, under the county charter,

764
01:30:28,133 --> 01:30:32,166
maintain its integrity and legal control over its own land.

765
01:30:32,166 --> 01:30:33,733
That's been Revalidated.

766
01:30:33,733 --> 01:30:38,433
The site that we don't want stinking traffic,

767
01:30:38,433 --> 01:30:39,345
they control that.

768
01:30:39,345 --> 01:30:42,345
They own that property, correct?

769
01:30:43,419 --> 01:30:45,633
>> That's what it's called.

770
01:30:45,633 --> 01:30:47,633
That is correct.

771
01:30:48,153 --> 01:30:51,953
Incorporated Broward county, which they do own.

772
01:30:51,953 --> 01:30:56,373
>> Outside of Florida DEP, telling them they can't go up.

773
01:30:56,373 --> 01:31:01,173
They have full control over that asset, correct?

774
01:31:01,473 --> 01:31:04,183
>> If I may comment Mr. Mayor, I wouldn't use that particular

775
01:31:04,183 --> 01:31:04,683
phrase.

776
01:31:04,683 --> 01:31:07,353
There may be limitations and restrictions

777
01:31:07,353 --> 01:31:09,547
that are not yet in being.

778
01:31:09,547 --> 01:31:12,593
I would not choose to compromise the city right to an objection

779
01:31:12,593 --> 01:31:15,473
to an issue, which may occur.

780
01:31:15,473 --> 01:31:18,473
>> You asked to the attorney.

781
01:31:19,239 --> 01:31:19,739
[Cross-talk]

782
01:31:19,739 --> 01:31:22,886
>> I don't want to stray too far.

783
01:31:22,886 --> 01:31:24,873
>> Good question.

784
01:31:24,873 --> 01:31:31,473
>> I'm in agreement that we need to have an industry professional

785
01:31:32,673 --> 01:31:36,785
, who is a day to day knowing of what's happening.

786
01:31:36,785 --> 01:31:39,193
It's no shot at anyone who is currently

787
01:31:39,193 --> 01:31:40,659
overseeing the process.

788
01:31:40,659 --> 01:31:43,659
Commissioner goods involvement for 25 years,

789
01:31:44,243 --> 01:31:47,329
he was a day to day guy for a very long time.

790
01:31:47,329 --> 01:31:49,403
We need somebody on the bench who can look out

791
01:31:49,403 --> 01:31:50,361
for our best interests.

792
01:31:50,361 --> 01:31:52,433
To advise us when necessary.

793
01:31:52,433 --> 01:31:55,453
I think there's an opportunity through the professional

794
01:31:55,453 --> 01:31:57,153
services procurement.

795
01:31:57,153 --> 01:32:01,353
Where the manager can bring somebody in.

796
01:32:02,593 --> 01:32:05,545
On an as needed basis to watch these things.

797
01:32:05,545 --> 01:32:09,193
Because it could ramp up kind of quick.

798
01:32:09,193 --> 01:32:13,819
I would want to have someone brought on to look out

799
01:32:13,819 --> 01:32:16,373
for the interest of all of us.

800
01:32:16,373 --> 01:32:17,513
>> Thank you very much.

801
01:32:17,513 --> 01:32:18,713
Commissioner good.

802
01:32:18,713 --> 01:32:20,713
Reclaiming your time.

803
01:32:20,993 --> 01:32:23,393
>> Thank you Mr. Mayor.

804
01:32:24,393 --> 01:32:26,806
The next thing that I don't quite understand.

805
01:32:26,806 --> 01:32:34,600
I think I need an explanation or maybe something is not right.

806
01:32:36,753 --> 01:32:40,953
Looking at employee salaries throughout this document,

807
01:32:42,913 --> 01:32:44,913
every employee --

808
01:32:45,337 --> 01:32:47,737
I appreciate the detail.

809
01:32:47,779 --> 01:32:50,853
I've got to say it's spot on.

810
01:32:50,853 --> 01:32:53,673
It really gives a good picture of what's

811
01:32:53,673 --> 01:32:56,486
going on with the budget.

812
01:32:56,486 --> 01:33:02,857
I did notice, though, that every position is getting an increase.

813
01:33:02,857 --> 01:33:04,857
Anywhere from 10 to 20%.

814
01:33:06,203 --> 01:33:10,403
And what is happening is as you're

815
01:33:10,539 --> 01:33:16,326
going higher up in management, it gets closer to the 20%.

816
01:33:16,326 --> 01:33:22,326
I do recognize that there is a general employee --

817
01:33:24,349 --> 01:33:27,283
let me preface this, this does not include public safety.

818
01:33:27,283 --> 01:33:30,241
Public safety we manage that through a contract.

819
01:33:30,241 --> 01:33:35,213
They seem to be consistent with the contracts that we agreed to.

820
01:33:35,213 --> 01:33:38,193
We did agree to a general employee

821
01:33:38,193 --> 01:33:40,193
contract for compensation.

822
01:33:41,130 --> 01:33:45,213
But that contract only allows maximum of 5%.

823
01:33:45,833 --> 01:33:50,330
And then there are many other employees,

824
01:33:50,193 --> 01:33:51,857
particularly as you go into management

825
01:33:51,857 --> 01:33:55,373
and above, that are not in the general employee contract.

826
01:33:55,373 --> 01:33:59,233
So I don't even know how and what determines their increases.

827
01:33:59,233 --> 01:34:03,179
I'm hoping that this is a mistake.

828
01:34:03,179 --> 01:34:07,160
Maybe there was just some double counting error or whatever.

829
01:34:07,160 --> 01:34:13,160
When you have somebody that's making high six figures --

830
01:34:15,387 --> 01:34:17,387
[Cross-talk]

831
01:34:17,935 --> 01:34:19,393
>> Mr. Dodge, what say you to this?

832
01:34:19,393 --> 01:34:24,193
>> We have specifics and we'll look at them.

833
01:34:24,833 --> 01:34:26,833
>> That's it.

834
01:34:26,903 --> 01:34:29,193
That's substantial and thank you.

835
01:34:29,193 --> 01:34:35,193
Another thing I was having difficulty with is the city

836
01:34:36,600 --> 01:34:39,600
is using Florida contract staffing.

837
01:34:40,939 --> 01:34:42,939
Which is FCS.

838
01:34:43,779 --> 01:34:47,379
FCS is a workforce management that

839
01:34:47,873 --> 01:34:52,673
does supply personnel to support our city operations.

840
01:34:54,313 --> 01:34:56,903
There are no details in the budget

841
01:34:56,903 --> 01:35:02,130
that define what positions are being sourced out in the city.

842
01:35:02,130 --> 01:35:05,130
It could be window clerk.

843
01:35:05,281 --> 01:35:10,630
It could be somebody at Parks and Recreation.

844
01:35:10,630 --> 01:35:13,663
It could be somebody in finance.

845
01:35:15,553 --> 01:35:20,566
The only way that these numbers are provided to us,

846
01:35:20,566 --> 01:35:23,545
is under what are called, other services, FCS.

847
01:35:23,545 --> 01:35:28,873
So it just comes up with a general number of the cost.

848
01:35:28,873 --> 01:35:33,929
And when you look at the number, the amount

849
01:35:33,929 --> 01:35:37,873
that it costs us for FCS employees,

850
01:35:37,873 --> 01:35:42,673
versus our own city of Pembroke Pines employees.

851
01:35:42,743 --> 01:35:46,363
And in some cases, they are three times the amount

852
01:35:46,363 --> 01:35:48,886
of what we pay our own employees.

853
01:35:48,886 --> 01:35:51,461
So what that tells me is, we have

854
01:35:51,461 --> 01:35:54,753
a large number of FCS personnel working

855
01:35:54,753 --> 01:35:57,313
for the city of Pembroke Pines.

856
01:35:57,313 --> 01:36:02,873
I do not know anything about what positions they're filling.

857
01:36:02,873 --> 01:36:06,513
I don't know whether they're being compensated at.

858
01:36:06,513 --> 01:36:09,823
Are we overpaying or underpaying them.

859
01:36:09,823 --> 01:36:10,658
Anything.

860
01:36:10,658 --> 01:36:17,673
I think we should be getting a more detailed assessment of what

861
01:36:17,673 --> 01:36:21,219
our contract employees are doing with the city.

862
01:36:21,219 --> 01:36:23,346
When it's clear to me that more than 50%

863
01:36:23,346 --> 01:36:26,553
of the employees here at the city of Pembroke Pines

864
01:36:26,553 --> 01:36:28,650
are contract employees.

865
01:36:28,650 --> 01:36:33,730
I am going to need that kind of understanding.

866
01:36:33,730 --> 01:36:37,219
>> Commissioner, we certainly can provide that to you.

867
01:36:37,219 --> 01:36:40,459
That is not accurate that we have employees making

868
01:36:40,459 --> 01:36:44,265
three times the amount of what you consider to be

869
01:36:44,265 --> 01:36:45,828
the traditional employees.

870
01:36:45,828 --> 01:36:50,280
If you remember this slide -- >> Mr.

871
01:36:53,730 --> 01:36:57,273
Manager I better my statement to you.

872
01:36:58,770 --> 01:37:03,123
When you total up personnel service cost in a department

873
01:37:03,123 --> 01:37:05,123
for city employees.

874
01:37:06,730 --> 01:37:12,256
Then you match that to what the total amount for FCS costs are,

875
01:37:12,256 --> 01:37:16,183
the FCS costs double N triple what

876
01:37:16,183 --> 01:37:19,273
the personnel costs total total personnel

877
01:37:19,273 --> 01:37:21,810
costs for city employees.

878
01:37:21,810 --> 01:37:27,113
It just tells me that you might have one, two, FCS employees

879
01:37:27,113 --> 01:37:30,113
for every one city employee.

880
01:37:31,633 --> 01:37:33,633
>> That is accurate.

881
01:37:33,873 --> 01:37:36,393
>> I'm not saying that you're making more than our people.

882
01:37:36,393 --> 01:37:37,935
But I don't know what they're making.

883
01:37:37,935 --> 01:37:40,209
I don't know what position titles they are.

884
01:37:40,209 --> 01:37:42,756
I just know that they're working for the city.

885
01:37:42,756 --> 01:37:44,409
Somewhere in the city.

886
01:37:44,409 --> 01:37:48,900
It's hard for me to assess.

887
01:37:49,113 --> 01:37:51,353
>> That we can provide.

888
01:37:51,353 --> 01:37:56,563
>> Mr. Manager, number of these questions didn't come up before.

889
01:37:56,563 --> 01:37:59,570
I'm at a loss because I'm hearing this the first time

890
01:37:59,570 --> 01:37:59,705
as well.

891
01:37:59,705 --> 01:38:03,529
What the commissioner is asking for is an order, obviously.

892
01:38:03,529 --> 01:38:06,913
For next year, if we could, let's

893
01:38:06,913 --> 01:38:11,113
distribute these books in advance of when

894
01:38:11,577 --> 01:38:14,109
we distribute them this year.

895
01:38:14,109 --> 01:38:16,628
So that the commissioner has the opportunity

896
01:38:16,628 --> 01:38:19,103
to review the books earlier.

897
01:38:19,103 --> 01:38:21,819
And these questions can be there.

898
01:38:21,819 --> 01:38:23,801
So we can hopefully resolve these questions

899
01:38:23,801 --> 01:38:28,553
and not have to bring them up on a day.

900
01:38:28,553 --> 01:38:32,241
>> Just for clarification, the online budget was provided

901
01:38:32,241 --> 01:38:33,735
on August 1st.

902
01:38:33,735 --> 01:38:37,393
The printed one we all requested a little bit later.

903
01:38:37,393 --> 01:38:39,793
It's easier to see.

904
01:38:41,433 --> 01:38:45,193
>> Thank you comment you clarified what I meant.

905
01:38:45,193 --> 01:38:47,330
Printed budgets earlier.

906
01:38:47,330 --> 01:38:49,859
Because Commissioner Schwartz is right.

907
01:38:49,859 --> 01:38:53,873
A document like this is easier looked at in hard copies.

908
01:38:53,873 --> 01:38:58,101
Just make sure that we get that out several weeks beforehand.

909
01:38:58,101 --> 01:39:03,453
So that we don't have to go through this process now.

910
01:39:03,453 --> 01:39:05,933
Where questions are being raised,

911
01:39:05,933 --> 01:39:10,733
very legitimately many of us have heard before.

912
01:39:12,233 --> 01:39:16,890
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, other things that came to my attention

913
01:39:16,890 --> 01:39:19,833
as I was reviewing the details as well.

914
01:39:19,833 --> 01:39:25,833
Again, public safety has its own it at media personnel.

915
01:39:27,433 --> 01:39:32,990
So police have their own ID, fire have their own I t.

916
01:39:32,990 --> 01:39:33,706
They have their own media people.

917
01:39:33,706 --> 01:39:36,313
And the city has it and media people.

918
01:39:36,313 --> 01:39:39,169
I don't understand why we can't consolidate all of them

919
01:39:39,169 --> 01:39:42,492
under one roof and maybe get a little bit of a synergy out

920
01:39:42,492 --> 01:39:44,250
of that action.

921
01:39:44,250 --> 01:39:46,425
That is my opinion.

922
01:39:46,438 --> 01:39:50,417
I want to bring it to the attention of my colleagues,

923
01:39:50,417 --> 01:39:54,273
where they find it to be of any value or not.

924
01:39:54,273 --> 01:39:56,129
>> I can tell you uniformed services,

925
01:39:56,129 --> 01:40:02,129
they will be hard pressed to give up their PIOs.

926
01:40:02,473 --> 01:40:06,100
Both fire chief and police chief have PIOs

927
01:40:06,100 --> 01:40:08,253
that answer directly to them.

928
01:40:08,253 --> 01:40:12,353
So that the information that they provide under their state

929
01:40:12,353 --> 01:40:15,353
authority meets their particular expectations.

930
01:40:16,643 --> 01:40:21,373
It has always been that way in every city in every jurisdiction

931
01:40:21,373 --> 01:40:22,569
that I've worked in.

932
01:40:22,569 --> 01:40:25,438
I certainly believe that we could look at it.

933
01:40:25,438 --> 01:40:28,438
It differs from general communication.

934
01:40:30,593 --> 01:40:34,353
>> PIO is one thing, media is another.

935
01:40:34,353 --> 01:40:36,753
>> They have those responsibilities.

936
01:40:37,393 --> 01:40:41,473
>> There are certain cities that do have communication department

937
01:40:41,473 --> 01:40:45,730
that includes all art major organizations.

938
01:40:47,153 --> 01:40:50,213
However comment they do have dedicated personnel.

939
01:40:50,213 --> 01:40:52,943
The only thing I'd ask for that is maybe

940
01:40:52,943 --> 01:40:55,219
someone within the communication department

941
01:40:55,219 --> 01:40:57,219
can have branding across the board.

942
01:40:57,219 --> 01:41:00,961
But I think our media personnel in each

943
01:41:00,961 --> 01:41:03,658
do pretty much as good a job as they

944
01:41:03,658 --> 01:41:09,153
can with the branding of the place and fire being separate.

945
01:41:09,153 --> 01:41:11,913
The structure could be different.

946
01:41:11,913 --> 01:41:15,360
There are plenty of cities that combine all of it

947
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:17,303
but they are individually.

948
01:41:17,303 --> 01:41:19,530
They're under the same umbrella.

949
01:41:19,530 --> 01:41:21,793
But they are associated with each department.

950
01:41:21,793 --> 01:41:25,903
>> Mr. Mayor I appreciate Commissioner Goode's focus.

951
01:41:25,903 --> 01:41:29,369
I mentioned earlier that there were some questions that

952
01:41:29,369 --> 01:41:33,433
asked the administration that they had not written back

953
01:41:33,433 --> 01:41:34,833
to me on.

954
01:41:34,833 --> 01:41:37,753
I also acknowledge Commissioner Goode,

955
01:41:37,753 --> 01:41:42,377
that there are technologies within about five categories

956
01:41:42,377 --> 01:41:44,377
within PD now.

957
01:41:44,513 --> 01:41:48,113
That deserve a review of overlap,

958
01:41:51,373 --> 01:41:55,939
if certain softwares are doing the same thing.

959
01:41:55,939 --> 01:41:58,353
Why would we be spending the money

960
01:41:58,353 --> 01:42:01,353
for the duplication of tech?

961
01:42:02,673 --> 01:42:08,473
Some of it is like a half $1 million worth of programing.

962
01:42:08,473 --> 01:42:11,613
This is something that I anticipate

963
01:42:11,613 --> 01:42:14,446
getting between now and second reading period

964
01:42:14,446 --> 01:42:17,538
I am with you on that one.

965
01:42:17,538 --> 01:42:21,413
I want to keep my items kind of brief tonight.

966
01:42:21,413 --> 01:42:23,713
The administrator is probably going

967
01:42:23,713 --> 01:42:25,633
to get me something in the ballot,

968
01:42:25,633 --> 01:42:28,810
hopefully within a week so we can

969
01:42:28,810 --> 01:42:31,246
have that second reading with a little more clarification.

970
01:42:31,246 --> 01:42:35,433
Why we're speaking about our first responders,

971
01:42:35,433 --> 01:42:37,833
who I absolutely support.

972
01:42:42,450 --> 01:42:43,753
>> I apologize I took the floor from you.

973
01:42:43,753 --> 01:42:49,753
>> Another thing I'd also like to take and reconsider the 410

974
01:42:50,133 --> 01:42:53,321
workdays versus a five eight workweek.

975
01:42:53,321 --> 01:42:57,813
I'd like to share with you with some of my beliefs.

976
01:42:57,813 --> 01:43:01,413
Where I think operations are efficient,

977
01:43:01,623 --> 01:43:05,288
are inefficient both on service level and as a financial impact.

978
01:43:05,288 --> 01:43:09,723
I'd like at some point to have that conversation where we talk

979
01:43:09,723 --> 01:43:13,920
about four dash ten versus 5-8 workweek.

980
01:43:13,920 --> 01:43:16,503
>> Would you like to bring that back as a commission item with

981
01:43:16,503 --> 01:43:20,579
whatever background you wish to include or how would you like

982
01:43:20,579 --> 01:43:23,233
to proceed with that discussion?

983
01:43:23,233 --> 01:43:25,700
>> I can do that.

984
01:43:25,700 --> 01:43:29,880
It could be a lengthy discussion it could be a quick.

985
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:32,673
I do not know how my colleagues would feel.

986
01:43:32,673 --> 01:43:34,673
>> I don't know if we can do it tonight.

987
01:43:34,673 --> 01:43:36,673
>> Not tonight.

988
01:43:36,833 --> 01:43:40,353
>> I am glad to hear the preview.

989
01:43:40,353 --> 01:43:41,833
>> Thank you for that.

990
01:43:41,833 --> 01:43:45,233
>> I thank you for bringing it up go ahead.

991
01:43:45,233 --> 01:43:48,553
>> The other thing I'm having some difficulty with is

992
01:43:48,553 --> 01:43:50,593
understanding our attorney costs.

993
01:43:50,593 --> 01:43:56,570
There is a small section here for the attorney speaks to what

994
01:43:56,570 --> 01:43:58,513
they have as a retainer.

995
01:43:58,513 --> 01:44:03,678
That's most of what the cost is per I

996
01:44:03,678 --> 01:44:08,313
know that there is more costs than just

997
01:44:08,313 --> 01:44:10,459
what's under the attorney.

998
01:44:10,459 --> 01:44:14,699
That the attorneys get paid or outside attorneys.

999
01:44:14,699 --> 01:44:19,889
For instance, I cannot figure out what is currently hourly

1000
01:44:19,889 --> 01:44:20,793
rate?

1001
01:44:20,793 --> 01:44:23,646
I know we approved an hourly rate at some point

1002
01:44:23,646 --> 01:44:27,846
in time, which is about 225 an hour.

1003
01:44:27,993 --> 01:44:29,593
>> May I respond quickly?

1004
01:44:29,593 --> 01:44:31,993
It went from 225 to 250.

1005
01:44:34,929 --> 01:44:40,329
>> What was it in this >> Two hourly billed work.

1006
01:44:40,696 --> 01:44:41,321
That's correct.

1007
01:44:41,321 --> 01:44:45,880
Not for the >> I think you should

1008
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:47,713
meet with the city attorney come and go through your questions.

1009
01:44:47,713 --> 01:44:52,801
>> The other thing is somebody can help me find where the cost

1010
01:44:52,801 --> 01:44:56,619
for external legal fees are captured in the budget.

1011
01:44:56,619 --> 01:45:00,219
I couldn't really lock that down.

1012
01:45:02,433 --> 01:45:07,833
The only other thing is I am still not

1013
01:45:09,873 --> 01:45:13,313
clear about what our anticipated budget

1014
01:45:13,313 --> 01:45:16,913
amount, that has not been expended

1015
01:45:17,173 --> 01:45:20,713
will be that we carry forward.

1016
01:45:20,713 --> 01:45:24,153
Again, we have a very large amount

1017
01:45:24,153 --> 01:45:28,353
of encumbrances or designated dollars for projects.

1018
01:45:29,830 --> 01:45:31,243
Things of that nature.

1019
01:45:31,243 --> 01:45:34,243
I do understand encumbrances, when

1020
01:45:34,373 --> 01:45:38,753
you talk about them being in APO or some kind of purchase order

1021
01:45:38,753 --> 01:45:40,726
or some kind of commitment for that payment.

1022
01:45:40,726 --> 01:45:45,330
You have to wait 30 days past your budget cycle,

1023
01:45:45,330 --> 01:45:47,841
before you can make all payments clear.

1024
01:45:47,841 --> 01:45:50,886
In order to make your financial documents correct.

1025
01:45:50,886 --> 01:45:53,193
As they need to be.

1026
01:45:53,193 --> 01:45:57,193
There are a number of other items that are not covered,

1027
01:45:57,193 --> 01:46:00,570
that have not been committed funds for payment.

1028
01:46:00,570 --> 01:46:02,705
But are still sitting there.

1029
01:46:02,705 --> 01:46:05,233
We just did one a couple of weeks ago.

1030
01:46:05,233 --> 01:46:07,233
It was $100 million.

1031
01:46:07,313 --> 01:46:10,253
What are we anticipating for this next year?

1032
01:46:10,253 --> 01:46:16,253
I know the question was answered by Chief Financial Officer.

1033
01:46:16,753 --> 01:46:21,857
Said, well, the budget amendment might be coming to us sometime

1034
01:46:21,857 --> 01:46:22,633
in December.

1035
01:46:22,633 --> 01:46:24,313
Which is good.

1036
01:46:24,313 --> 01:46:26,433
It's better than waiting and hoping

1037
01:46:26,433 --> 01:46:30,413
that it's a budget amendment for this year.

1038
01:46:30,413 --> 01:46:36,997
Not as we traditionally done a year from the budget approval.

1039
01:46:36,997 --> 01:46:42,201
I was don't like to have an understanding, generally, of how

1040
01:46:42,201 --> 01:46:46,113
much money is we're anticipating is going to be rolled over,

1041
01:46:46,113 --> 01:46:49,825
it's going to be added to this budget because it's 600 million,

1042
01:46:49,825 --> 01:46:54,113
it's going to be 100 million I'd just like to understand that.

1043
01:46:54,113 --> 01:46:55,246
That's what we just did.

1044
01:46:55,246 --> 01:46:58,833
We just approved $100 million budget and added it to last

1045
01:46:58,833 --> 01:47:01,233
year's -- >> 100 million rollover.

1046
01:47:02,913 --> 01:47:06,303
>> We should sit down with the manager and ask these questions

1047
01:47:06,303 --> 01:47:06,813
directly.

1048
01:47:06,813 --> 01:47:09,813
I don't have that information.

1049
01:47:09,913 --> 01:47:11,513
>> That's my question.

1050
01:47:11,513 --> 01:47:14,739
>> Did you answer that, Mr. Dodge?

1051
01:47:14,739 --> 01:47:17,573
>> The current when we have, as you know,

1052
01:47:17,573 --> 01:47:21,278
didn't have the strategic plan in the budget that was quite

1053
01:47:21,278 --> 01:47:22,673
a bit of money.

1054
01:47:22,673 --> 01:47:26,330
That was part of the rollover.

1055
01:47:26,330 --> 01:47:28,308
Then were the encumbrances, which

1056
01:47:28,308 --> 01:47:31,653
were purchase orders that were encumbered

1057
01:47:31,653 --> 01:47:35,853
before the end of the fiscal year.

1058
01:47:36,233 --> 01:47:38,256
We did not be able to finish the project.

1059
01:47:38,256 --> 01:47:42,153
So we carried it over and it goes in front reserves,

1060
01:47:42,153 --> 01:47:45,504
but then we have to pay it, we take it from there.

1061
01:47:45,504 --> 01:47:47,653
Yes, there sometimes excess funds

1062
01:47:47,653 --> 01:47:52,433
that are left over each fiscal year that go into fund balance.

1063
01:47:52,433 --> 01:47:55,265
That's how we're able to accumulate

1064
01:47:55,265 --> 01:47:58,221
all the funds that we're using for the strategic plan.

1065
01:47:58,221 --> 01:47:59,996
We use those for capital.

1066
01:47:59,996 --> 01:48:02,113
If you use them up for operating,

1067
01:48:02,113 --> 01:48:05,973
then you're never able to secure sufficient funds

1068
01:48:05,973 --> 01:48:10,410
to do projects that are needed for the community.

1069
01:48:10,410 --> 01:48:12,930
But there's no way you could generate the money.

1070
01:48:12,930 --> 01:48:18,161
Other than put it in a future fiscal year and raise the taxes.

1071
01:48:18,161 --> 01:48:21,139
So we've always tried to avoid that.

1072
01:48:21,139 --> 01:48:23,930
Pay for capital out of whatever funds

1073
01:48:23,930 --> 01:48:26,579
we had left over in reserves.

1074
01:48:26,579 --> 01:48:32,579
>> I would offer , manager, more to my colleagues as well.

1075
01:48:34,573 --> 01:48:37,225
Maybe should think about having a capital budget

1076
01:48:37,225 --> 01:48:39,746
as well as operating budget.

1077
01:48:39,746 --> 01:48:42,513
Because we don't have a capital budget.

1078
01:48:42,513 --> 01:48:45,673
Where we have as money set aside for capital budgets.

1079
01:48:45,673 --> 01:48:47,939
Capital budgets typically would get

1080
01:48:47,939 --> 01:48:50,217
approved at the same time the operating budget.

1081
01:48:50,217 --> 01:48:52,759
Which means that any money that you still have sitting there.

1082
01:48:52,759 --> 01:48:55,393
Might have a five year project, it got it

1083
01:48:55,393 --> 01:48:57,373
and the money needs to be there for.

1084
01:48:57,373 --> 01:48:58,841
But if you have capital budget that

1085
01:48:58,841 --> 01:49:01,424
gets submitted at the same time as your operating budget, what

1086
01:49:01,424 --> 01:49:03,300
happens is you just automatically

1087
01:49:03,300 --> 01:49:05,503
carry those dollars over with having to go through

1088
01:49:05,503 --> 01:49:07,105
and amended budget process.

1089
01:49:07,105 --> 01:49:09,505
That we're doing now.

1090
01:49:09,833 --> 01:49:11,561
We can talk more about that later.

1091
01:49:11,561 --> 01:49:14,828
There's a more formal way of doing that?

1092
01:49:14,828 --> 01:49:18,245
Because I don't like making approval of a budget months

1093
01:49:18,245 --> 01:49:18,745
later.

1094
01:49:18,745 --> 01:49:21,466
That are in the numbers --

1095
01:49:21,466 --> 01:49:24,313
I understand why it's being done.

1096
01:49:24,313 --> 01:49:26,455
>> Commissioner good for clarification purposes.

1097
01:49:26,455 --> 01:49:31,330
I'd like to have a definition of an adopted budget, operating

1098
01:49:31,330 --> 01:49:32,893
budget, and a working budget.

1099
01:49:32,893 --> 01:49:36,133
That's what I'd like to have in an ordinance clearly defined

1100
01:49:36,133 --> 01:49:38,603
by legal of what is what.

1101
01:49:38,603 --> 01:49:40,603
We need clarification.

1102
01:49:41,713 --> 01:49:43,553
>> Okay.

1103
01:49:43,553 --> 01:49:46,593
>> Mr. Dodge, if you could provide that clarification

1104
01:49:46,593 --> 01:49:48,313
permit go ahead.

1105
01:49:48,313 --> 01:49:53,330
>> I just want to say where the comments I'm making today,

1106
01:49:53,330 --> 01:49:57,330
I am not asking for the reduction in the budget.

1107
01:49:57,330 --> 01:50:00,859
That's why I went ahead and said, I don't think,

1108
01:50:00,859 --> 01:50:03,673
why I agreed to the millage.

1109
01:50:03,673 --> 01:50:05,529
I think it's very important.

1110
01:50:05,529 --> 01:50:07,609
That's a very important decision we made.

1111
01:50:07,609 --> 01:50:11,483
What I'm speaking about is just Reallocations.

1112
01:50:11,483 --> 01:50:12,601
Move money.

1113
01:50:12,601 --> 01:50:15,493
I would rather see projects comment like we're

1114
01:50:15,493 --> 01:50:17,450
talking about the events.

1115
01:50:17,450 --> 01:50:19,184
I'd like to see events elevated.

1116
01:50:19,184 --> 01:50:20,809
It's direct contact with the community.

1117
01:50:20,809 --> 01:50:22,558
That's what we need to be doing.

1118
01:50:22,558 --> 01:50:25,319
I'd like to see it going in some of our capital projects,

1119
01:50:25,319 --> 01:50:26,861
whether they be in our facilities

1120
01:50:26,861 --> 01:50:28,903
or in some of our transportation infrastructures.

1121
01:50:28,903 --> 01:50:31,391
I'd like to see the moneys go there

1122
01:50:31,391 --> 01:50:33,308
because those are things people are constantly

1123
01:50:33,308 --> 01:50:34,763
talking to me about.

1124
01:50:34,763 --> 01:50:38,378
About why aren't we getting some of those things?

1125
01:50:38,378 --> 01:50:42,578
Not about anything else other than that.

1126
01:50:44,979 --> 01:50:47,793
>> And we have that ability.

1127
01:50:47,793 --> 01:50:49,551
>> Mr. Mayor, that concludes my comments.

1128
01:50:49,551 --> 01:50:52,255
I think everybody did a great job.

1129
01:50:52,255 --> 01:50:53,662
I appreciate the detail.

1130
01:50:53,662 --> 01:50:54,722
That was good stuff.

1131
01:50:54,722 --> 01:50:57,722
Great set of >> Thank you.

1132
01:50:59,430 --> 01:51:02,330
>> Following up to what commissioner good mentioned.

1133
01:51:02,330 --> 01:51:04,913
You did mention employee salary bump.

1134
01:51:04,913 --> 01:51:08,681
I want to hear if Miss Cheung has anything regarding that.

1135
01:51:08,681 --> 01:51:12,281
I think was mentioned at 10 to 20%.

1136
01:51:13,319 --> 01:51:17,659
That was not my interpretation, if you can clarify?

1137
01:51:17,659 --> 01:51:18,809
>> Good evening.

1138
01:51:18,809 --> 01:51:21,330
That increases that are reflected

1139
01:51:21,330 --> 01:51:24,209
has been a result of the 26 budget.

1140
01:51:24,209 --> 01:51:26,606
Being a little bit lower.

1141
01:51:26,606 --> 01:51:30,806
The collective bargaining agreement, I don't think

1142
01:51:30,889 --> 01:51:33,444
was approved until later on in the year

1143
01:51:33,444 --> 01:51:37,130
period so those numbers were not reflected in the 26 budget.

1144
01:51:37,130 --> 01:51:41,839
It looks as if the 27 change between 26 and 27,

1145
01:51:41,839 --> 01:51:45,273
looks a lot bigger than it should.

1146
01:51:45,273 --> 01:51:51,646
>> If later on we saw with an actual budget was from 25-26,

1147
01:51:51,646 --> 01:51:53,146
versus what we have in the proposal,

1148
01:51:53,146 --> 01:51:57,993
it would be more of a tighter space between those two?

1149
01:51:57,993 --> 01:51:59,193
>> Yes.

1150
01:51:59,193 --> 01:52:02,370
>> Commissioner, may I point you to an example.

1151
01:52:02,370 --> 01:52:07,770
I wouldn't say it unless I could prove it.

1152
01:52:08,730 --> 01:52:11,695
>> I just interpreted something different I just wanted clarity.

1153
01:52:11,695 --> 01:52:14,153
>> I want to make sure we have the opportunity to meet with

1154
01:52:14,153 --> 01:52:17,113
the manager and go through the questions completely.

1155
01:52:17,113 --> 01:52:19,138
>> I heard the answer, the response and I think

1156
01:52:19,138 --> 01:52:21,388
it's important for the commissioner to recognize where

1157
01:52:21,388 --> 01:52:24,586
I'm speaking, in particular to the budget.

1158
01:52:24,586 --> 01:52:28,186
330 and go to item number 512451 paragraph

1159
01:52:36,992 --> 01:52:38,992
>> 512451.

1160
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:54,320
>> can look across This was 24, 25, 26, 27.

1161
01:52:57,673 --> 01:53:01,273
There's just several >> Commissioner good --

1162
01:53:07,480 --> 01:53:08,753
>> We can look together.

1163
01:53:08,753 --> 01:53:10,753
>> Commissioner good --

1164
01:53:17,964 --> 01:53:18,839
>> That presentation.

1165
01:53:18,839 --> 01:53:21,193
>> That's what we're looking at at the series.

1166
01:53:21,193 --> 01:53:24,970
That's why we need clarification.

1167
01:53:24,970 --> 01:53:27,585
When we look at how the books are presented,

1168
01:53:27,585 --> 01:53:32,553
we are not looking at our current working budget,

1169
01:53:32,553 --> 01:53:34,433
comparing next year's budget.

1170
01:53:34,433 --> 01:53:36,385
We're still working off the adopted budget.

1171
01:53:36,385 --> 01:53:38,773
In the book presentation period I

1172
01:53:38,773 --> 01:53:43,573
know there's national guidelines on how it's presented.

1173
01:53:43,753 --> 01:53:47,353
Now more than ever, residents taxpayers

1174
01:53:47,446 --> 01:53:51,519
need to know how the money is allocated.

1175
01:53:51,519 --> 01:53:54,963
If we have a labor agreement that

1176
01:53:54,963 --> 01:53:57,363
was ratified late September.

1177
01:53:59,575 --> 01:54:04,593
And there's a lookback period, that's going to be reflected

1178
01:54:04,593 --> 01:54:06,993
in the following year's .

1179
01:54:08,699 --> 01:54:11,385
In the working budget, not the adopted one.

1180
01:54:11,385 --> 01:54:14,153
I look forward to some clarification.

1181
01:54:14,153 --> 01:54:16,873
But really all the questions today, I'm

1182
01:54:16,873 --> 01:54:19,673
very happy with all of my colleagues

1183
01:54:19,673 --> 01:54:22,873
and how prepared we were tonight.

1184
01:54:22,873 --> 01:54:24,393
>> Thank you very much.

1185
01:54:24,393 --> 01:54:26,153
Anything further?

1186
01:54:26,153 --> 01:54:28,533
>> Mr. Mayor, really quickly.

1187
01:54:28,533 --> 01:54:31,533
The commissioner good has --

1188
01:54:32,658 --> 01:54:35,153
I appreciate the opportunity very much.

1189
01:54:35,153 --> 01:54:36,633
>> Anything else on this?

1190
01:54:36,633 --> 01:54:38,433
Anything from the public?

1191
01:54:38,433 --> 01:54:39,233
Seeing none.

1192
01:54:39,233 --> 01:54:40,473
Yes, Ma'am.

1193
01:54:40,473 --> 01:54:42,473
Please.

1194
01:54:46,713 --> 01:54:50,300
Your name and address for the record.

1195
01:54:50,300 --> 01:54:52,153
You have three minutes.

1196
01:54:52,153 --> 01:54:54,633
>> Hello come again, Laura Enriquez,

1197
01:54:54,633 --> 01:54:58,833
600 North West 86th Avenue, Pembroke Pines, Florida.

1198
01:54:59,326 --> 01:55:03,457
I just want to point out regarding the Subcontractor's.

1199
01:55:03,457 --> 01:55:07,170
I do know an example that you were looking for.

1200
01:55:07,170 --> 01:55:10,185
Sometime last year, the police department

1201
01:55:10,185 --> 01:55:12,913
had an open position for accounts payable.

1202
01:55:12,913 --> 01:55:14,787
The pay was $18.

1203
01:55:14,787 --> 01:55:17,713
I am pretty sure that there would have

1204
01:55:17,713 --> 01:55:20,513
been a markup for management.

1205
01:55:20,513 --> 01:55:22,433
So that we're discussing the budget,

1206
01:55:22,433 --> 01:55:24,816
I'd like to know how much the city would be

1207
01:55:24,816 --> 01:55:26,917
paying for something like that?

1208
01:55:26,917 --> 01:55:30,539
You were discussing that and it just popped in my mind.

1209
01:55:30,539 --> 01:55:31,833
>> Thank you very much.

1210
01:55:31,833 --> 01:55:33,273
Anything further?

1211
01:55:33,273 --> 01:55:35,121
Anything from the public?

1212
01:55:35,121 --> 01:55:39,321
Hearing none all in favor say aye.

1213
01:55:40,600 --> 01:55:41,819
I'll opposed?

1214
01:55:41,819 --> 01:55:43,819
It passes unanimously.

1215
01:55:46,433 --> 01:55:50,633
>> I am a no on the budget.

1216
01:55:51,853 --> 01:55:54,233
>> If you will comment Mr. Mayor,

1217
01:55:54,233 --> 01:55:57,660
the second final public hearing on the budget ordinance will

1218
01:55:57,660 --> 01:55:59,233
also be scheduled at the same time for consideration

1219
01:55:59,233 --> 01:56:04,267
on Wednesday September 16th, in these chambers as well as 6 p.m.

1220
01:56:04,267 --> 01:56:07,286
As well the millage ordinance described previously.

1221
01:56:07,286 --> 01:56:10,623
Which will be considered under both state law and state law

1222
01:56:10,623 --> 01:56:12,993
the charter at the time.

1223
01:56:12,993 --> 01:56:14,673
>> Anything else on this item?

1224
01:56:14,673 --> 01:56:17,673
This budget hearing is closed.

1225
01:56:18,993 --> 01:56:24,430
We will now open our regular City Commission meeting

1226
01:56:24,430 --> 01:56:26,430
of September 3rd, 2026.

1227
01:56:28,453 --> 01:56:32,530
Mr. Clark, if you call roll.

1228
01:56:40,401 --> 01:56:40,901
>>

1229
01:56:40,901 --> 01:56:44,501
[Roll Call] We have a quorum.

1230
01:56:58,930 --> 01:56:59,526
>> Thank you very much.

1231
01:56:59,526 --> 01:57:01,963
Would you please rise for the Pledge of Allegiance

1232
01:57:01,963 --> 01:57:06,163
and remain standing for the National Anthem.

1233
01:57:12,427 --> 01:57:14,719
>> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States

1234
01:57:14,719 --> 01:57:19,593
of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation

1235
01:57:19,593 --> 01:57:24,993
under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all.

1236
01:57:33,953 --> 01:57:35,953
[National Anthem Playing]

1237
01:58:46,808 --> 01:58:47,798
>> Thank you very much.

1238
01:58:47,798 --> 01:58:49,557
Please be seated.

1239
01:58:49,557 --> 01:58:56,157
Clerk com announcements of items to be pulled from the agenda.

1240
01:58:58,166 --> 01:58:59,583
>> Item number 15 has been pulled.

1241
01:58:59,583 --> 01:59:01,128
>> Thank you very much.

1242
01:59:01,128 --> 01:59:02,823
Any others?

1243
01:59:02,823 --> 01:59:04,570
>> No comment mayor.

1244
01:59:04,570 --> 01:59:07,510
>> Under presentations today will be the fire Rescue

1245
01:59:07,510 --> 01:59:09,677
Department will formally introduce to the Commission

1246
01:59:09,677 --> 01:59:12,397
and to the public a new sponsorship program.

1247
01:59:12,397 --> 01:59:15,583
It allows for the hiring of Non-certified individuals

1248
01:59:15,583 --> 01:59:20,627
and city employees while they complete their required training

1249
01:59:20,627 --> 01:59:24,227
and certifications to become sworn firefighters.

1250
01:59:26,757 --> 01:59:29,517
Chief Rodriguez come at you are recognized.

1251
01:59:29,517 --> 01:59:30,677
>> Good evening again.

1252
01:59:30,677 --> 01:59:32,663
Marcelina Rodriguez fire chief.

1253
01:59:32,663 --> 01:59:37,540
Thank you very much to allow me to present to you

1254
01:59:37,540 --> 01:59:39,454
the new sponsorship program.

1255
01:59:39,707 --> 01:59:42,853
Two first introduce it to the public, as well as

1256
01:59:42,853 --> 01:59:43,701
the Commission.

1257
01:59:43,701 --> 01:59:47,901
Before I get on -- one second.

1258
01:59:51,177 --> 01:59:54,177
I have a Powerpoint presentation.

1259
01:59:55,237 --> 01:59:57,579
I have to load it.

1260
01:59:57,579 --> 02:00:00,579
Would I have access here?

1261
02:00:07,717 --> 02:00:09,717
>> Do you see it on your screens, commissioners?

1262
02:00:09,717 --> 02:00:13,917
Before I begin with the Powerpoint presentation,

1263
02:00:14,303 --> 02:00:16,997
I think it's important to understand our current hiring

1264
02:00:16,997 --> 02:00:17,685
process.

1265
02:00:17,685 --> 02:00:21,595
Today, and for as long as I've been here,

1266
02:00:21,595 --> 02:00:23,262
we've only hired certified firefighters.

1267
02:00:23,262 --> 02:00:25,330
What does that mean?

1268
02:00:25,330 --> 02:00:28,837
You have to have your fire certificate come as well

1269
02:00:28,837 --> 02:00:32,717
as your EMT certificate, emergency medical technician.

1270
02:00:32,717 --> 02:00:34,290
As well as some other certificates.

1271
02:00:34,290 --> 02:00:37,765
The sponsorship program that I'm going to go over

1272
02:00:37,765 --> 02:00:41,197
provides us with the opportunity to hire

1273
02:00:41,197 --> 02:00:43,197
Non-certified firefighters.

1274
02:00:43,657 --> 02:00:47,257
That means individuals without any certifications.

1275
02:00:47,421 --> 02:00:52,837
But I hope they have a strong desire to serve this community.

1276
02:00:52,837 --> 02:00:58,629
So one of the primary goals or objectives or benefits

1277
02:00:58,629 --> 02:01:01,277
of this program is going to provide us

1278
02:01:01,277 --> 02:01:04,197
a larger pool of candidates.

1279
02:01:04,197 --> 02:01:09,597
We are looking for military veterans, recent high school

1280
02:01:10,637 --> 02:01:13,370
graduates, college graduates, lifeguards.

1281
02:01:13,970 --> 02:01:17,877
Perhaps someone that is seeking a career change.

1282
02:01:17,877 --> 02:01:22,397
Maybe a communication expert or a police officer.

1283
02:01:22,397 --> 02:01:24,410
Anyone seeking a career change that

1284
02:01:24,410 --> 02:01:26,773
may not be happy or satisfied in their current career,

1285
02:01:26,773 --> 02:01:31,730
but have always wanted to and they fire service

1286
02:01:31,730 --> 02:01:32,837
has intrigued them.

1287
02:01:32,837 --> 02:01:35,397
Those are the individuals that we're going to look for.

1288
02:01:35,397 --> 02:01:38,770
We will search for high quality candidates

1289
02:01:38,770 --> 02:01:41,597
whose character and values align with our standards

1290
02:01:41,597 --> 02:01:43,997
here in Pembroke Pines.

1291
02:01:48,957 --> 02:01:53,157
This will be a huge recruitment tool.

1292
02:01:53,837 --> 02:01:56,709
Supplementing our existing ten week program period

1293
02:01:56,709 --> 02:01:58,861
we're not getting rid of our current program.

1294
02:01:58,861 --> 02:02:00,597
It's only going to supplement.

1295
02:02:00,597 --> 02:02:04,265
We'll deploy and utilize it as we feel fit

1296
02:02:04,265 --> 02:02:07,265
or as that need arises.

1297
02:02:07,270 --> 02:02:11,614
What I'm referring to is one of the changes

1298
02:02:11,614 --> 02:02:14,417
is going to be 21 week program which

1299
02:02:14,417 --> 02:02:17,397
will incorporate both fire minimum standards,

1300
02:02:17,397 --> 02:02:19,581
as well as emergency medical technician.

1301
02:02:19,581 --> 02:02:22,941
To be 21 weeks compared to ten weeks.

1302
02:02:22,941 --> 02:02:24,997
It's going to be a longer program.

1303
02:02:24,997 --> 02:02:27,357
It's going to be a cost effective training.

1304
02:02:27,357 --> 02:02:30,570
But what's not going to change is

1305
02:02:30,570 --> 02:02:33,317
we're going to maintain our class one professional standards

1306
02:02:33,317 --> 02:02:35,117
throughout the entire program.

1307
02:02:35,117 --> 02:02:39,941
In my humble opinion, I expect after 21 weeks of being exposed

1308
02:02:39,941 --> 02:02:42,457
to our training staff, they are going

1309
02:02:42,457 --> 02:02:46,421
to be more prepared on day one than utilizing

1310
02:02:46,421 --> 02:02:49,421
our current ten week process.

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02:02:51,277 --> 02:02:56,217
Let me go over briefly how the program is going to work.

1312
02:02:56,217 --> 02:03:00,857
It's going to first begin with a strong proportional outreach.

1313
02:03:00,857 --> 02:03:04,397
We're going to have job fairs with the help of our HR

1314
02:03:04,397 --> 02:03:06,701
department, as well as Mr. Rothstein.

1315
02:03:06,701 --> 02:03:10,997
We're going to have school outreach, social media,

1316
02:03:10,997 --> 02:03:12,997
internet based advertisement.

1317
02:03:13,157 --> 02:03:15,597
We've discussed even meta ads.

1318
02:03:15,597 --> 02:03:18,101
We're going to try to reach as many of these candidates

1319
02:03:18,101 --> 02:03:18,897
as possible.

1320
02:03:18,897 --> 02:03:23,861
Up to and including, and employee incentive of $1,000 per

1321
02:03:23,861 --> 02:03:27,893
month to an employee of Pembroke Pines recommend a candidate

1322
02:03:27,893 --> 02:03:32,547
and that candidate is hired as a city employee,

1323
02:03:32,547 --> 02:03:34,947
for the training program.

1324
02:03:35,657 --> 02:03:39,593
And then they become a sworn firefighter, EMT,

1325
02:03:39,593 --> 02:03:44,393
that employee will receive a $1,000 incentive per second,

1326
02:03:44,501 --> 02:03:47,297
is the screening and selection process.

1327
02:03:47,297 --> 02:03:50,612
We have standardized and validated exams,

1328
02:03:50,612 --> 02:03:53,120
which will include Cpap.

1329
02:03:53,220 --> 02:03:55,867
Written aptitude exams, structured interviews.

1330
02:03:55,867 --> 02:03:58,987
As well as assessment centers peer

1331
02:03:58,987 --> 02:04:02,177
to ensure that we get the most qualified candidates

1332
02:04:02,177 --> 02:04:06,377
for those positions period then the condition

1333
02:04:10,437 --> 02:04:11,930
conditional employment.

1334
02:04:11,930 --> 02:04:13,417
The conditional job offer is going

1335
02:04:13,417 --> 02:04:15,250
to be consistent with our current standards.

1336
02:04:15,250 --> 02:04:17,490
It's going to include backgrounds, polygraph,

1337
02:04:17,490 --> 02:04:20,130
polygraph test, drug screening, etc..

1338
02:04:20,130 --> 02:04:21,813
It's not going to change.

1339
02:04:21,813 --> 02:04:26,130
When the firefighter completes that successfully it

1340
02:04:26,377 --> 02:04:29,377
completing the 21 week program, they'll

1341
02:04:29,377 --> 02:04:31,187
obtain their certification, and they'll

1342
02:04:31,187 --> 02:04:33,812
be able for a full time firefighter EMT as a sworn

1343
02:04:33,812 --> 02:04:36,270
firefighter and join the ranks of our current firefighters.

1344
02:04:36,270 --> 02:04:38,780
However, they're going to have to commit

1345
02:04:38,780 --> 02:04:42,970
to four years of employment as a firefighter if not,

1346
02:04:42,970 --> 02:04:47,277
if they leave, they will have to reimburse the city

1347
02:04:47,277 --> 02:04:50,877
for the education and their training.

1348
02:04:56,157 --> 02:05:01,508
So a little bit of the framework on how that's going to work.

1349
02:05:01,508 --> 02:05:04,577
We're going to onboard them as city employees.

1350
02:05:04,577 --> 02:05:07,465
Full time making $20 an hour.

1351
02:05:07,465 --> 02:05:11,650
It will be at will employees.

1352
02:05:12,397 --> 02:05:17,197
Trainee must earn certifications in firefighter one firefighter

1353
02:05:17,533 --> 02:05:22,850
two, EMT, Evoc and CPR training, which we will provide.

1354
02:05:22,850 --> 02:05:24,117
They'll have to maintain certain standards

1355
02:05:24,117 --> 02:05:25,637
throughout their program.

1356
02:05:25,637 --> 02:05:27,245
Consistent with our current standards.

1357
02:05:27,245 --> 02:05:31,820
At that point, as mentioned earlier, they'll transition

1358
02:05:31,820 --> 02:05:33,517
and they'll have the opportunity to transition

1359
02:05:33,517 --> 02:05:35,397
into a sworn firefighter.

1360
02:05:35,397 --> 02:05:40,597
There are some advantages to the empty program in-house.

1361
02:05:40,597 --> 02:05:45,397
Not so long ago, you approved a contract

1362
02:05:45,623 --> 02:05:50,423
allowing us to an agreement with Memorial Hospital.

1363
02:05:50,490 --> 02:05:53,490
Allowing our firefighters, our EMTs,

1364
02:05:54,137 --> 02:05:58,170
that are taking courses within our program

1365
02:05:58,170 --> 02:06:00,637
to complete their clinicals at Memorial Hospital.

1366
02:06:00,637 --> 02:06:05,161
That was a key agreement to help us to get to where we are today.

1367
02:06:05,161 --> 02:06:08,645
The EMTs will complete all of their field training

1368
02:06:08,645 --> 02:06:11,797
in-house at our fire stations on our trucks.

1369
02:06:11,797 --> 02:06:17,797
Come day one, they'll already be familiar with our system.

1370
02:06:18,517 --> 02:06:22,527
They will have an advantage, compared to the current program,

1371
02:06:22,527 --> 02:06:28,485
where they're not exposed to our firefighters or our system.

1372
02:06:28,485 --> 02:06:33,885
Our fire stations, until they become a sworn firefighter

1373
02:06:34,970 --> 02:06:35,477
on day one.

1374
02:06:35,477 --> 02:06:38,417
Once they complete the program, and they're

1375
02:06:38,417 --> 02:06:42,570
onboarded as a firefighter EMT, they'll have the opportunity

1376
02:06:42,570 --> 02:06:46,650
and be required to become a paramedic within three years.

1377
02:06:46,650 --> 02:06:48,827
They will have the opportunity to participate

1378
02:06:48,827 --> 02:06:51,733
in our in-house paramedic class.

1379
02:06:51,733 --> 02:06:55,333
Now we get into the financials.

1380
02:06:55,765 --> 02:07:02,965
As you can see, there is a savings of the 21 week training

1381
02:07:04,277 --> 02:07:06,437
course, compared to the ten weeks

1382
02:07:06,437 --> 02:07:10,637
period the cost of the 21 sponsorship program

1383
02:07:12,305 --> 02:07:15,363
is obviously less than a ten week training.

1384
02:07:15,363 --> 02:07:18,370
That does not tell the whole story.

1385
02:07:18,370 --> 02:07:21,370
The additional savings will come,

1386
02:07:23,837 --> 02:07:28,423
because we expect there to be an increase in retention, which

1387
02:07:28,423 --> 02:07:30,577
has been a challenge for our fire department

1388
02:07:30,577 --> 02:07:34,917
as it has been for all municipal fire departments in the county

1389
02:07:34,917 --> 02:07:38,370
and throughout other cities and counties as well.

1390
02:07:38,370 --> 02:07:41,370
Our training facility was recently

1391
02:07:41,370 --> 02:07:43,317
accredited by the Florida Department of Health.

1392
02:07:43,317 --> 02:07:46,277
And authorized to begin offering EMP classes

1393
02:07:46,277 --> 02:07:48,197
as I mentioned earlier.

1394
02:07:48,197 --> 02:07:51,685
Soon we expect to expand on these programs

1395
02:07:51,685 --> 02:07:55,500
to include both EMT and firefighter minimum

1396
02:07:55,500 --> 02:07:57,883
standard training for individuals pursuing

1397
02:07:57,883 --> 02:07:59,943
a career in the fire service.

1398
02:07:59,943 --> 02:08:06,210
This is going to be and is going to become a financial benefit

1399
02:08:06,210 --> 02:08:08,212
to the city and the fire department as well.

1400
02:08:08,212 --> 02:08:11,370
The revenue generated from these programs come along

1401
02:08:11,370 --> 02:08:13,709
with our other courses currently offered at the facility,

1402
02:08:13,709 --> 02:08:18,317
will be used to offset operating costs and fund

1403
02:08:18,317 --> 02:08:22,517
future facility improvements at the training facility.

1404
02:08:23,557 --> 02:08:27,977
I didn't get here by myself, I had the help of a lot of people.

1405
02:08:27,977 --> 02:08:32,813
Beginning with my staff that are highly trained and capable.

1406
02:08:32,813 --> 02:08:35,757
The city manager for his support and him

1407
02:08:35,757 --> 02:08:37,677
greenlighting this program.

1408
02:08:37,677 --> 02:08:39,697
The finance department, of course.

1409
02:08:39,697 --> 02:08:42,947
Elected officials for reviewing and approving and authorizing

1410
02:08:42,947 --> 02:08:44,257
many of these agreements.

1411
02:08:44,257 --> 02:08:48,297
The Human Resource department for reviewing and vetting

1412
02:08:48,297 --> 02:08:51,317
this program and ensuring that it remains

1413
02:08:51,317 --> 02:08:52,577
within certain guidelines.

1414
02:08:52,577 --> 02:08:55,429
The legal team, of course.

1415
02:08:55,429 --> 02:08:58,589
And again I just mentioned that I'm

1416
02:08:58,589 --> 02:09:00,397
blessed to have the training staff that I

1417
02:09:00,397 --> 02:09:03,643
do that put in the hard work to get us to where we are today.

1418
02:09:03,643 --> 02:09:04,223
Thank you.

1419
02:09:04,223 --> 02:09:08,270
With that, I open it up for any questions.

1420
02:09:08,270 --> 02:09:10,610
>> Chief, I want to thank you for your presentation and I want

1421
02:09:10,610 --> 02:09:14,717
to thank your staff for their creativity and finding ways

1422
02:09:14,717 --> 02:09:20,213
to produce an even better fire department than we have now.

1423
02:09:20,213 --> 02:09:22,613
I really appreciate that.

1424
02:09:22,997 --> 02:09:25,737
My understanding is that labor has reviewed this

1425
02:09:25,737 --> 02:09:28,102
and they're on board with it as well.

1426
02:09:28,102 --> 02:09:32,783
We do have a full labor management partnership.

1427
02:09:32,783 --> 02:09:36,450
>> I've met with them and discussed in details with what I

1428
02:09:36,450 --> 02:09:37,597
went over with right now.

1429
02:09:37,597 --> 02:09:40,450
There was no issues that I wasn't able to address.

1430
02:09:40,450 --> 02:09:43,757
At the very end, they seem supportive.

1431
02:09:43,757 --> 02:09:47,237
>> That's important because labor management partnerships

1432
02:09:47,237 --> 02:09:50,637
are the stuff which great success is made.

1433
02:09:50,637 --> 02:09:54,237
I very much appreciate the presentation.

1434
02:09:54,517 --> 02:09:58,717
Mr. Dodge, has been incorporated into the budget.

1435
02:09:58,717 --> 02:10:02,917
We just read it first >> Funds will

1436
02:10:03,347 --> 02:10:04,597
be available for this program.

1437
02:10:04,597 --> 02:10:06,430
>> Thank you very much.

1438
02:10:06,430 --> 02:10:08,430
Any questions commissioners.

1439
02:10:09,170 --> 02:10:10,677
>> I hate that you spoke before me.

1440
02:10:10,677 --> 02:10:12,417
I was going to mention labor.

1441
02:10:12,417 --> 02:10:16,590
I appreciate obviously chief, but I can't see him.

1442
02:10:16,590 --> 02:10:17,443
Dan Rothstein.

1443
02:10:17,443 --> 02:10:21,742
When I reached out, I think it's very incredibly important,

1444
02:10:21,742 --> 02:10:23,617
especially with our public safety departments

1445
02:10:23,617 --> 02:10:27,687
to work with, proactively work with our labor leaders.

1446
02:10:27,687 --> 02:10:30,437
They represent the body that serves this community.

1447
02:10:30,437 --> 02:10:32,990
I appreciate very much that you met with them.

1448
02:10:32,990 --> 02:10:38,940
This is only via, I'd like to see the same over

1449
02:10:38,940 --> 02:10:39,577
with our police department.

1450
02:10:39,577 --> 02:10:42,557
Thank you Chief, for what you've done.

1451
02:10:42,557 --> 02:10:44,157
>> Thank you very much.

1452
02:10:44,157 --> 02:10:47,673
>> I want to say that everyone I talk to and the kids that are

1453
02:10:47,673 --> 02:10:50,597
coming up with choice between police and fire.

1454
02:10:50,597 --> 02:10:55,397
Because police eat donuts and fire eat gourmet.

1455
02:10:56,157 --> 02:10:58,221
>> I'll let you in on a secret.

1456
02:10:58,221 --> 02:11:01,380
I've eaten lunch with the police chief the other day.

1457
02:11:01,380 --> 02:11:04,741
It's been a life long dream for him to become a firefighter.

1458
02:11:04,741 --> 02:11:08,469
I gave him the opportunity to take advantage of that.

1459
02:11:08,469 --> 02:11:10,210
Thank you.

1460
02:11:10,210 --> 02:11:12,210
I'm

1461
02:11:18,427 --> 02:11:19,385
>> Thank you very much.

1462
02:11:19,385 --> 02:11:22,489
This is a proclamation of the city of Pembroke Pines, Florida,

1463
02:11:22,489 --> 02:11:24,656
declaring National Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.

1464
02:11:24,656 --> 02:11:26,349
Is there a group here coming forward?

1465
02:11:26,349 --> 02:11:28,749
Come on up here

1466
02:11:32,985 --> 02:11:33,568
>> Stand here.

1467
02:11:33,568 --> 02:11:34,303
How are you?

1468
02:11:34,303 --> 02:11:35,527
Good to see you again.

1469
02:11:35,527 --> 02:11:37,527
How are you?

1470
02:11:46,302 --> 02:11:47,940
>> Good to see you.

1471
02:11:47,940 --> 02:11:47,810
>> How are you?

1472
02:11:47,810 --> 02:11:48,579
Good to see you.

1473
02:11:48,579 --> 02:11:50,579
How are you?

1474
02:11:53,397 --> 02:11:57,597
September has been designated National childhood Cancer

1475
02:11:57,957 --> 02:12:01,177
Awareness Month, to honor the children whose lives have been

1476
02:12:01,177 --> 02:12:05,157
lost and those whose lives have been irrevocably impacted

1477
02:12:05,157 --> 02:12:07,557
by this devastating illness.

1478
02:12:07,917 --> 02:12:12,621
While strengthening our nation's resolve to find cures.

1479
02:12:12,621 --> 02:12:14,663
Whereas cancer remains the leading cause of death

1480
02:12:14,663 --> 02:12:18,630
by disease among children in the United States with approximately

1481
02:12:18,630 --> 02:12:22,263
15,000 children, adolescents diagnosed with cancer each year

1482
02:12:22,773 --> 02:12:24,757
before the age of 20.

1483
02:12:24,757 --> 02:12:27,277
Whereas childhood cancers across all racial

1484
02:12:27,277 --> 02:12:30,450
ethnic, and geographic social economic backgrounds.

1485
02:12:30,450 --> 02:12:32,797
Children and their families face the challenges

1486
02:12:32,797 --> 02:12:37,247
of this disease with incredible bravery, strength and hope.

1487
02:12:37,247 --> 02:12:39,781
Whereas childhood cancer affects not only child diagnosed

1488
02:12:39,781 --> 02:12:42,477
but also the parents and grandparents siblings,

1489
02:12:42,477 --> 02:12:45,197
loved ones and the entire support network while

1490
02:12:45,197 --> 02:12:46,957
dedicated health care professionals

1491
02:12:46,957 --> 02:12:50,210
organizations and advocacy groups provide critical support

1492
02:12:50,210 --> 02:12:51,300
and encouragement.

1493
02:12:51,300 --> 02:12:52,997
Whereas the City of Pembroke Pines

1494
02:12:52,997 --> 02:12:56,530
recognizes the devastating impact of childhood cancer

1495
02:12:56,530 --> 02:12:58,770
on children and families in the community

1496
02:12:58,770 --> 02:13:03,370
and the importance of advancing research and improving treatment

1497
02:13:03,370 --> 02:13:07,507
options and increasing awareness and supporting the effective

1498
02:13:07,507 --> 02:13:09,453
those affected by this disease.

1499
02:13:09,453 --> 02:13:12,821
And if I could add, whereas medical science

1500
02:13:12,821 --> 02:13:16,237
is making it possible for many of these children

1501
02:13:16,237 --> 02:13:18,637
to live long lives.

1502
02:13:19,317 --> 02:13:24,913
Thank to the research and the hard work that they put into it.

1503
02:13:24,913 --> 02:13:28,637
There has never been a time where more cancers are

1504
02:13:28,637 --> 02:13:30,670
cured than right now.

1505
02:13:30,670 --> 02:13:32,253
We owe it to our doctors and our nurses

1506
02:13:32,253 --> 02:13:33,813
and other health care professionals

1507
02:13:33,813 --> 02:13:37,467
for work and our scientists and researchers

1508
02:13:37,467 --> 02:13:39,682
for working so hard on the science of this.

1509
02:13:39,682 --> 02:13:42,837
At a time when people are amazingly

1510
02:13:42,837 --> 02:13:45,237
dismissive of medical science.

1511
02:13:45,397 --> 02:13:48,770
This is what is saving lives.

1512
02:13:48,770 --> 02:13:52,257
This is what is giving hope to adults and children alike.

1513
02:13:52,257 --> 02:13:54,277
With this horrible disease.

1514
02:13:54,277 --> 02:13:56,668
Therefore, Angelo Castillo, mayor

1515
02:13:56,668 --> 02:14:01,437
of the city of Pembroke Pines, Florida, and the City

1516
02:14:01,437 --> 02:14:05,370
Commission, do hereby proclaim September 2026 National

1517
02:14:07,512 --> 02:14:10,137
Childhood Cancer Awareness Month in the City of Pembroke Pines.

1518
02:14:10,137 --> 02:14:11,989
And encourage all residents to join us

1519
02:14:11,989 --> 02:14:14,290
in raising awareness, supporting effective families,

1520
02:14:14,290 --> 02:14:17,100
honoring the courage of children cancer patients survivors

1521
02:14:17,100 --> 02:14:19,290
and remembering those whose lives have been lost

1522
02:14:19,290 --> 02:14:21,770
and whose lives have been saved.

1523
02:14:21,770 --> 02:14:26,477
Congratulations and thank you for everything that you do.

1524
02:14:29,897 --> 02:14:30,397
[Applause]

1525
02:14:30,397 --> 02:14:33,517
>> I'm Christina and I'm part of Mystic Force Foundation,

1526
02:14:33,517 --> 02:14:35,817
Sylvia Vanni wishes she could be here tonight.

1527
02:14:35,817 --> 02:14:37,837
She had other things she had to take care of.

1528
02:14:37,837 --> 02:14:40,549
She started this foundation 17 years ago,

1529
02:14:40,549 --> 02:14:42,477
when her son Sal passed away tragically

1530
02:14:42,477 --> 02:14:43,877
from childhood cancer.

1531
02:14:43,877 --> 02:14:47,397
She dedicates her entire life to making sure

1532
02:14:47,397 --> 02:14:53,237
that children that are affected by cancer just can be kids.

1533
02:14:53,237 --> 02:14:57,157
Because as a family when you go through childhood cancer,

1534
02:14:57,157 --> 02:14:58,837
everything stops.

1535
02:14:58,837 --> 02:15:03,373
These children are in hospitals and in clinics.

1536
02:15:03,373 --> 02:15:05,837
The families are just torn apart.

1537
02:15:05,837 --> 02:15:11,837
She works treacherously to just ensure that the kids --

1538
02:15:12,877 --> 02:15:16,637
tirelessly to ensure that kids have a place to go.

1539
02:15:16,637 --> 02:15:18,908
And be kids and forget about being in the hospital.

1540
02:15:18,908 --> 02:15:20,825
We're grateful for the city and the commission

1541
02:15:20,825 --> 02:15:23,717
for allowing us to be here and raise awareness.

1542
02:15:23,717 --> 02:15:26,549
Without that, the funding and the ability

1543
02:15:26,549 --> 02:15:29,477
to know that childhood cancer is not rare

1544
02:15:29,477 --> 02:15:30,897
when it affects your kids.

1545
02:15:30,897 --> 02:15:32,637
When it affects your family's.

1546
02:15:32,637 --> 02:15:33,970
We are grateful for that.

1547
02:15:33,970 --> 02:15:37,208
I just want to introduce Jay Kaplan here.

1548
02:15:37,208 --> 02:15:42,800
He is a two time cancer survivor.a

1549
02:15:42,446 --> 02:15:46,707
[Applause] We have Jake Duenas, this is my son.

1550
02:15:46,707 --> 02:15:49,620
He is a one time cancer survivor.

1551
02:15:49,620 --> 02:15:50,917
Still very impressive.

1552
02:15:50,917 --> 02:15:53,917
[Applause] And I'm Jake's mom.

1553
02:15:54,197 --> 02:15:56,317
And these are Jake's siblings.

1554
02:15:56,317 --> 02:15:58,837
That is Luke, Cristian, and Danica

1555
02:15:58,837 --> 02:16:01,567
Patrick childhood cancer affects the entire family.

1556
02:16:01,567 --> 02:16:04,941
Would you like to say a couple things?

1557
02:16:04,941 --> 02:16:08,120
>> First of all, I want to thank Mayor Castillo and the city

1558
02:16:08,120 --> 02:16:10,412
Commission for their time.

1559
02:16:11,197 --> 02:16:14,797
Of course, she introduced me, I'm

1560
02:16:15,141 --> 02:16:17,630
Jake, two time cancer survivor.

1561
02:16:17,630 --> 02:16:22,125
I want to say how important it is for childhood cancer

1562
02:16:22,125 --> 02:16:24,205
awareness to be in effect.

1563
02:16:24,205 --> 02:16:29,273
I cannot stress enough how unnoticed it is among many

1564
02:16:29,273 --> 02:16:29,773
people.

1565
02:16:29,773 --> 02:16:32,465
Most of the population come if you ask them,

1566
02:16:32,465 --> 02:16:34,847
how many kids a year do childhood cancer?

1567
02:16:34,847 --> 02:16:37,162
They probably won't tell you.

1568
02:16:37,162 --> 02:16:41,189
We as a group are looking to change that.

1569
02:16:41,189 --> 02:16:44,117
As cancer survivors and cancer parents from around the world

1570
02:16:44,117 --> 02:16:49,397
are also looking to change that too, how we can start personally

1571
02:16:49,397 --> 02:16:50,357
is via schools.

1572
02:16:50,357 --> 02:16:56,357
We can implement that into our Septembers into our school.

1573
02:16:56,557 --> 02:17:01,570
Kind of create a Spirit week like wearing gold and stuff

1574
02:17:01,570 --> 02:17:01,863
like that.

1575
02:17:01,863 --> 02:17:04,648
I remember we did it at our old school.

1576
02:17:04,648 --> 02:17:06,757
My mom can confirm.

1577
02:17:06,757 --> 02:17:08,757
Yeah, still do.

1578
02:17:09,217 --> 02:17:13,417
I felt like we fought really hard.

1579
02:17:13,830 --> 02:17:18,853
We come along with the people who didn't survive,

1580
02:17:18,853 --> 02:17:20,357
and everybody else.

1581
02:17:20,357 --> 02:17:22,989
The parents deserve to be recognized.

1582
02:17:22,989 --> 02:17:28,389
This could really help us raise awareness for cancer.

1583
02:17:28,533 --> 02:17:31,370
If we keep doing stuff like this,

1584
02:17:31,370 --> 02:17:36,487
maybe we can raise enough funds to create better treatments

1585
02:17:36,487 --> 02:17:37,387
for children.

1586
02:17:37,387 --> 02:17:42,570
We are stuck with medicines from the 80s and the 60s.

1587
02:17:42,570 --> 02:17:44,657
It does more harm than good.

1588
02:17:44,657 --> 02:17:47,417
Actually my second cancer was from the treatment

1589
02:17:47,417 --> 02:17:50,123
from my first cancer, which is pretty ironic.

1590
02:17:50,123 --> 02:17:52,537
My first cancer was a tumor.

1591
02:17:52,537 --> 02:17:55,757
My second cancer was a blood cancer from it.

1592
02:17:55,757 --> 02:17:59,230
I really want to thank you for what you do

1593
02:17:59,230 --> 02:18:00,989
and for keeping the city great.

1594
02:18:00,989 --> 02:18:03,613
All of our elected officials here

1595
02:18:03,613 --> 02:18:06,253
for also doing the same thing.

1596
02:18:06,253 --> 02:18:10,453
Keeping our city safe, clean, and strong.

1597
02:18:11,337 --> 02:18:11,837
Strong.

1598
02:18:11,837 --> 02:18:13,877
That's the word of the day.

1599
02:18:13,877 --> 02:18:14,377
Strong!

1600
02:18:14,377 --> 02:18:16,377
Thank you.

1601
02:18:18,980 --> 02:18:18,717
[Applause]

1602
02:18:18,717 --> 02:18:20,557
>> Thank you so very much.

1603
02:18:20,557 --> 02:18:22,837
Let's take a photo.

1604
02:18:22,837 --> 02:18:26,237
>> We have fantastic little gold ribbons that we can pass out all

1605
02:18:26,237 --> 02:18:27,907
to the commissioners.

1606
02:18:27,907 --> 02:18:30,157
>> Let's take a photo and then you can pass those out.

1607
02:18:30,157 --> 02:18:32,157
Wonderful.

1608
02:18:58,392 --> 02:19:00,792
>> Thank you very much.

1609
02:19:08,997 --> 02:19:12,597
Thank you so very very much.

1610
02:19:15,350 --> 02:19:19,235
[Applause] It was good to see you.

1611
02:20:01,840 --> 02:20:02,677
>> Thank you.

1612
02:20:02,677 --> 02:20:08,770
I am going to put this on right now.

1613
02:20:13,273 --> 02:20:14,356
>> It was nice to see you.

1614
02:20:14,356 --> 02:20:16,303
It was a pleasure.

1615
02:20:16,303 --> 02:20:18,303
>> Thank you.

1616
02:20:28,717 --> 02:20:29,509
>> I think it's on.

1617
02:20:29,509 --> 02:20:30,900
Great.

1618
02:20:30,900 --> 02:20:33,900
Thank you very very much.

1619
02:20:34,333 --> 02:20:36,125
now we have our commission auditor,

1620
02:20:36,125 --> 02:20:42,125
who is here to present the completed order plan for 2026.

1621
02:20:42,817 --> 02:20:46,417
If you would draw near please.

1622
02:20:47,410 --> 02:20:51,241
Your name and affiliation for the record.

1623
02:20:55,366 --> 02:20:58,366
>> Hello, Kristi Clemens, Commissioner auditor.

1624
02:20:59,837 --> 02:21:01,557
>> Pull it down a little bit.

1625
02:21:01,557 --> 02:21:03,614
>> I'm joined by doctor Jamie Amos,

1626
02:21:03,614 --> 02:21:10,357
who is the day to day engagement lead on your commission audits.

1627
02:21:10,357 --> 02:21:13,471
I don't see the presentation up here

1628
02:21:13,471 --> 02:21:16,557
we are here to present on three of the audits that

1629
02:21:16,557 --> 02:21:19,897
have been completed on the audit plan and issued.

1630
02:21:19,897 --> 02:21:22,291
The first one is --

1631
02:21:22,291 --> 02:21:25,317
I'm sorry, the presentation is not up here

1632
02:21:25,317 --> 02:21:27,317
remediation and validation.

1633
02:21:27,807 --> 02:21:30,207
We re reviewed reports.

1634
02:21:30,776 --> 02:21:32,117
Thank you.

1635
02:21:32,117 --> 02:21:36,317
From 20 to 2024, that had observations and findings

1636
02:21:38,317 --> 02:21:39,667
associated with them.

1637
02:21:39,667 --> 02:21:42,413
We're able to validate that all items but one

1638
02:21:42,413 --> 02:21:43,685
had been remediated.

1639
02:21:43,685 --> 02:21:46,850
That is good news.

1640
02:21:46,837 --> 02:21:51,770
We will be following up on that one remaining item.

1641
02:21:51,770 --> 02:21:53,877
Before the end of the year.

1642
02:21:53,877 --> 02:21:56,684
There wasn't enough evidence to validate it.

1643
02:21:56,684 --> 02:21:59,157
Because they had just recently started

1644
02:21:59,157 --> 02:22:01,157
performing that remediation.

1645
02:22:02,837 --> 02:22:03,957
>> Okay.

1646
02:22:03,957 --> 02:22:06,957
>> The permitting process efficiency audit.

1647
02:22:07,457 --> 02:22:12,337
With that, we looked at the efficiency of the processes

1648
02:22:12,337 --> 02:22:14,737
around the permitting process.

1649
02:22:15,877 --> 02:22:19,477
With that, there were three recommendations

1650
02:22:19,570 --> 02:22:23,170
that we identified out of that.

1651
02:22:23,181 --> 02:22:27,981
For the most part, the processes were efficient.

1652
02:22:28,700 --> 02:22:33,337
The three items that were noted were very low risk items.

1653
02:22:33,337 --> 02:22:36,937
One related to the permit technicians

1654
02:22:38,357 --> 02:22:42,557
closing the completed permits within the system.

1655
02:22:42,897 --> 02:22:46,770
They were still showing open a couple with those.

1656
02:22:46,770 --> 02:22:50,997
The other one has to do with monitoring for permits that

1657
02:22:50,997 --> 02:22:54,597
remain open that are requiring some type of action

1658
02:22:54,597 --> 02:22:56,597
from the applicant.

1659
02:22:57,381 --> 02:23:01,389
At 180 days, they expire and they should

1660
02:23:01,389 --> 02:23:02,767
be closed due to inactivity.

1661
02:23:02,767 --> 02:23:05,183
We noted one of those.

1662
02:23:05,183 --> 02:23:09,917
During our audit, they started automating the notification

1663
02:23:09,917 --> 02:23:11,517
to applicants.

1664
02:23:11,517 --> 02:23:14,157
We see that as a process improvement.

1665
02:23:14,157 --> 02:23:19,349
We just recommend that they continue utilizing the system

1666
02:23:19,349 --> 02:23:21,749
to its highest capabilities.

1667
02:23:22,237 --> 02:23:28,681
With that, the next one is the utility billing accuracy audit

1668
02:23:28,681 --> 02:23:29,787
that we did.

1669
02:23:29,787 --> 02:23:32,493
With that, there was no findings noted.

1670
02:23:32,493 --> 02:23:35,549
We looked how they were reading meters.

1671
02:23:35,549 --> 02:23:38,389
How they're looking for potential errors.

1672
02:23:38,389 --> 02:23:41,389
Looking at the billing process.

1673
02:23:41,657 --> 02:23:44,657
There were no exceptions noted.

1674
02:23:44,677 --> 02:23:48,981
With that, we would like to thank the staff who

1675
02:23:48,981 --> 02:23:50,645
worked closely with us.

1676
02:23:50,645 --> 02:23:52,637
They were very responsive.

1677
02:23:52,637 --> 02:23:54,637
We appreciate that.

1678
02:23:56,277 --> 02:23:57,543
>> Anything else?

1679
02:23:57,543 --> 02:23:59,357
>> Any questions?

1680
02:23:59,357 --> 02:24:01,770
>> Anything, commissioners?

1681
02:24:01,770 --> 02:24:03,557
Thank you very very much for your presentation

1682
02:24:03,557 --> 02:24:05,397
and for the work that you do.

1683
02:24:05,397 --> 02:24:08,333
You are the internal audit arm of the city.

1684
02:24:08,333 --> 02:24:12,465
Separate and apart from you we also have the year end audit.

1685
02:24:12,465 --> 02:24:19,303
And I know that you are being in contact with them as well.

1686
02:24:19,303 --> 02:24:23,473
We also mentioned before we have citizens Budget Council here

1687
02:24:23,473 --> 02:24:24,781
in Pembroke Pines.

1688
02:24:24,781 --> 02:24:27,157
That's not something every city has.

1689
02:24:27,157 --> 02:24:31,210
The money in this city is looked at,

1690
02:24:31,210 --> 02:24:35,310
as you can tell from our budget discussion comment

1691
02:24:35,310 --> 02:24:37,770
with a great deal of scrutiny.

1692
02:24:37,770 --> 02:24:39,261
A great deal of interest.

1693
02:24:39,261 --> 02:24:43,703
It is for that reason, that the city

1694
02:24:43,703 --> 02:24:49,630
has kept not only its finance, but its operating practices.

1695
02:24:49,630 --> 02:24:53,263
Working well and our internal control structure,

1696
02:24:53,517 --> 02:24:56,823
is a strong and vibrant one.

1697
02:24:56,823 --> 02:24:58,183
A robust one.

1698
02:24:58,183 --> 02:25:03,237
We thank you for everything you do to help us stay that way.

1699
02:25:03,237 --> 02:25:05,637
Thank you very much.

1700
02:25:07,917 --> 02:25:09,917
Okay.

1701
02:25:11,197 --> 02:25:15,397
Of peals of board of adjustment decisions.

1702
02:25:15,810 --> 02:25:17,810
None.

1703
02:25:17,917 --> 02:25:19,370
>> Hearing none.

1704
02:25:19,370 --> 02:25:21,957
>> Any announcements of board and committee appointments.

1705
02:25:21,957 --> 02:25:23,879
>> None, mayor.

1706
02:25:23,879 --> 02:25:24,837
>> Thank you very much.

1707
02:25:24,837 --> 02:25:28,370
Today's consent agenda items is one through 13.

1708
02:25:28,370 --> 02:25:30,597
Commissioners, what is your pleasure?

1709
02:25:30,597 --> 02:25:31,877
Any polls?

1710
02:25:31,877 --> 02:25:32,765
Seeing none.

1711
02:25:32,765 --> 02:25:34,237
Any from the public?

1712
02:25:34,237 --> 02:25:34,903
Seeing none.

1713
02:25:34,903 --> 02:25:37,477
Can I have a motion.

1714
02:25:37,477 --> 02:25:39,477
>> Motion to approve.

1715
02:25:39,597 --> 02:25:43,370
>> Moved by the Vice Mayor, seconded by Commissioner good.

1716
02:25:43,370 --> 02:25:45,370
Any discussion?

1717
02:25:45,370 --> 02:25:49,710
>> I want again thank the city administration for the MoU that

1718
02:25:49,710 --> 02:25:52,997
is being approved for the Broward Teachers Union.

1719
02:25:52,997 --> 02:25:53,762
>> Yes.

1720
02:25:53,762 --> 02:25:58,141
I know that they will be very very pleased.

1721
02:25:58,141 --> 02:25:59,170
Anything else?

1722
02:25:59,170 --> 02:26:03,565
All those in favor say aye any opposed?

1723
02:26:03,565 --> 02:26:05,565
That passes unanimously.

1724
02:26:05,937 --> 02:26:10,137
City Attorney, we are on regular agenda.

1725
02:26:11,277 --> 02:26:14,237
>> Thank you, mayor, may I continue for the record.

1726
02:26:14,237 --> 02:26:16,309
If you will come at the regular agenda

1727
02:26:16,309 --> 02:26:18,690
actual begins with item number 14.

1728
02:26:18,690 --> 02:26:21,809
Number 14 reads as follow and the public consumption

1729
02:26:21,809 --> 02:26:24,937
and for the mayor Commission discussion and possible action

1730
02:26:24,937 --> 02:26:29,997
to discuss August 5th, 26 draft for solicitation for building

1731
02:26:29,997 --> 02:26:32,557
Department services, direction on potential revisions

1732
02:26:32,557 --> 02:26:37,357
and approvals to advertise RFP number AD 2601 operation

1733
02:26:37,877 --> 02:26:40,337
and management of the Building Department.

1734
02:26:40,337 --> 02:26:42,463
It's in public record item.

1735
02:26:42,463 --> 02:26:44,767
It's a item for mayor and commission

1736
02:26:44,767 --> 02:26:47,627
and requires your attendance and guidance this evening

1737
02:26:47,627 --> 02:26:49,757
through the administration to the mayor Commission.

1738
02:26:49,757 --> 02:26:51,677
Thank you.

1739
02:26:51,677 --> 02:26:52,351
>> Okay.

1740
02:26:52,351 --> 02:26:57,237
I know there was a survey that was passed around.

1741
02:26:57,237 --> 02:27:02,362
Some sort of consensus could be gotten on what

1742
02:27:02,362 --> 02:27:06,562
is a very long list of items.

1743
02:27:55,317 --> 02:27:56,260
Okay.

1744
02:27:56,260 --> 02:28:01,660
Mr. Gomes come if you'd walk us through this.

1745
02:28:03,357 --> 02:28:06,870
>> Good evening, everyone, Mark Gomes,

1746
02:28:06,870 --> 02:28:08,805
assistant city manager slash director of procurement

1747
02:28:08,805 --> 02:28:09,597
and sustainability.

1748
02:28:09,597 --> 02:28:13,157
As mayor said, we did send out a survey.

1749
02:28:13,157 --> 02:28:16,200
Obviously, as you know, we've met many times in regards

1750
02:28:16,200 --> 02:28:17,317
to this item.

1751
02:28:17,317 --> 02:28:19,792
A couple workshops and agenda items

1752
02:28:19,792 --> 02:28:21,605
discussing the draft solicitation

1753
02:28:21,605 --> 02:28:23,405
for the building department.

1754
02:28:23,405 --> 02:28:25,577
So we did recently is we sent out

1755
02:28:25,577 --> 02:28:29,237
a survey to get this various items from the last workshop

1756
02:28:29,237 --> 02:28:30,970
that we did.

1757
02:28:30,970 --> 02:28:32,343
That are still pending and we need direction

1758
02:28:32,343 --> 02:28:33,986
from the City Commission.

1759
02:28:33,986 --> 02:28:35,802
We outlined that in the agenda item

1760
02:28:35,802 --> 02:28:37,757
and we also set a survey recently

1761
02:28:37,757 --> 02:28:41,317
to get understanding of where the City Commission lied

1762
02:28:41,317 --> 02:28:44,317
on some of these items.

1763
02:28:44,317 --> 02:28:46,537
See if there's any consensus.

1764
02:28:46,537 --> 02:28:50,770
As you can see on the page I just handed out,

1765
02:28:50,770 --> 02:28:53,141
there are certain items that are highlighted in green here

1766
02:28:53,141 --> 02:28:55,917
for the three commissioners that responded to that survey.

1767
02:28:55,917 --> 02:28:57,325
There's a consensus on.

1768
02:28:57,325 --> 02:28:59,197
Then the items highlighted in yellow.

1769
02:28:59,197 --> 02:29:02,941
Two of the three commissioners were on the same page.

1770
02:29:02,941 --> 02:29:07,207
Besides that, I also handed out a copy of the survey

1771
02:29:07,207 --> 02:29:08,367
that we sent out.

1772
02:29:08,367 --> 02:29:10,477
Which is pretty much outlining the items

1773
02:29:10,477 --> 02:29:12,557
in the agenda from the last meeting.

1774
02:29:12,557 --> 02:29:16,157
On which we need direction on.

1775
02:29:18,817 --> 02:29:20,234
>> Mr. Mayor, for full disclosure,

1776
02:29:20,234 --> 02:29:24,391
the survey came in last night in the email.

1777
02:29:24,391 --> 02:29:28,377
I was celebrating my 44th birthday with my family.

1778
02:29:28,377 --> 02:29:31,437
So I didn't complete that survey.

1779
02:29:31,437 --> 02:29:35,370
>> Happy birthday to you Commissioner Good.

1780
02:29:35,757 --> 02:29:40,557
In fact, happy birthday to all of us.

1781
02:29:41,770 --> 02:29:41,621
Go ahead.

1782
02:29:41,621 --> 02:29:42,785
Don't worry about it.

1783
02:29:42,785 --> 02:29:45,309
We do not fill out every survey.

1784
02:29:45,309 --> 02:29:46,173
It happens.

1785
02:29:46,173 --> 02:29:48,317
We're all very very busy people.

1786
02:29:48,317 --> 02:29:50,602
We all do the best that we can.

1787
02:29:50,602 --> 02:29:52,407
I know that all of us do.

1788
02:29:52,407 --> 02:29:54,985
How do you want to proceed?

1789
02:29:54,985 --> 02:29:56,943
>> We'd like commission's direction on each one

1790
02:29:56,943 --> 02:29:58,777
of the items.

1791
02:29:58,777 --> 02:30:01,170
>> Do you want to go one at a time?

1792
02:30:01,170 --> 02:30:05,460
>> I think that would be >> The first item is:

1793
02:30:05,460 --> 02:30:08,322
How much time should firms be provided to submit proposals

1794
02:30:08,322 --> 02:30:11,497
following the advertisement of the RFP.

1795
02:30:11,497 --> 02:30:12,980
Two people said eight weeks.

1796
02:30:12,980 --> 02:30:14,180
I said four.

1797
02:30:14,180 --> 02:30:16,236
Eight sounds fine to me.

1798
02:30:16,236 --> 02:30:18,636
Anybody object to eight?

1799
02:30:18,857 --> 02:30:20,757
>> I would agree to eight.

1800
02:30:20,757 --> 02:30:24,499
>> I'm the cause right and we had --

1801
02:30:24,499 --> 02:30:28,114
I thought we were going to be done by now.

1802
02:30:28,114 --> 02:30:31,623
I thought we were actually going to be able to sitting here

1803
02:30:31,623 --> 02:30:33,623
tonight selecting somebody.

1804
02:30:33,717 --> 02:30:35,957
>> No, we're going to go through this list.

1805
02:30:35,957 --> 02:30:38,770
We've had two workshops.

1806
02:30:38,770 --> 02:30:39,517
>> We had three.

1807
02:30:39,517 --> 02:30:41,292
>> And didn't respond to the survey.

1808
02:30:41,292 --> 02:30:44,970
We're going to go one at a time.

1809
02:30:44,970 --> 02:30:45,980
>> I was also celebrating.

1810
02:30:45,980 --> 02:30:49,597
I was also celebrating vice mayor's birthday.

1811
02:30:49,597 --> 02:30:51,197
>> Well come a happy birthday.

1812
02:30:51,197 --> 02:30:53,597
The question before us

1813
02:30:54,737 --> 02:30:55,237
[Cross-talk]

1814
02:30:55,237 --> 02:30:57,957
>> I did communicate with Mr. Gomez verbally.

1815
02:30:57,957 --> 02:31:02,157
I provided verbally all of the questions.

1816
02:31:02,157 --> 02:31:05,517
We actually spoke to our times.

1817
02:31:05,517 --> 02:31:07,443
>> The question now is: Eight weeks.

1818
02:31:07,443 --> 02:31:09,719
I have people who are happy with eight weeks.

1819
02:31:09,719 --> 02:31:11,197
Are you good?

1820
02:31:11,197 --> 02:31:13,254
>> I was going with six.

1821
02:31:13,254 --> 02:31:15,130
I'll go with eight.

1822
02:31:15,130 --> 02:31:19,813
Here's my concern, my only concern is --

1823
02:31:19,848 --> 02:31:21,157
we have a long list here.

1824
02:31:21,157 --> 02:31:22,830
Go ahead.

1825
02:31:22,830 --> 02:31:26,883
We have a long >> We go eight weeks.

1826
02:31:28,320 --> 02:31:30,997
That puts us at the beginning of November.

1827
02:31:30,997 --> 02:31:34,597
Mr. Gomez anticipating potentially for dates.

1828
02:31:35,303 --> 02:31:39,410
Give us the forecast of when this comes back

1829
02:31:39,410 --> 02:31:42,583
to the commission after you go through all your reviews and all

1830
02:31:42,583 --> 02:31:44,325
the stuff you do on procurement.

1831
02:31:44,325 --> 02:31:47,325
You're able to do that.

1832
02:31:47,933 --> 02:31:50,630
I prepped you in advance.

1833
02:31:50,630 --> 02:31:55,267
For that >> Attach to the backup for the agenda item

1834
02:31:55,267 --> 02:31:56,309
is an estimated timeline.

1835
02:31:56,309 --> 02:32:00,357
Based on this eight week solicitation process,

1836
02:32:00,357 --> 02:32:03,957
we anticipate coming back to the City Commission on March 3rd

1837
02:32:03,957 --> 02:32:08,477
with the item to approve the negotiated contract to begin

1838
02:32:08,477 --> 02:32:10,477
the transition process.

1839
02:32:10,557 --> 02:32:12,177
>> Honestly, put down four weeks,

1840
02:32:12,177 --> 02:32:14,196
because I feel if they can't do it four weeks,

1841
02:32:14,196 --> 02:32:15,863
then they don't know what they're doing.

1842
02:32:15,863 --> 02:32:19,637
If we're going to eight weeks, I won't object.

1843
02:32:19,637 --> 02:32:21,183
>> Mr. Gomez mentioned March 3rd.

1844
02:32:21,183 --> 02:32:23,957
That's also a deadline that this commission

1845
02:32:23,957 --> 02:32:26,957
imposed on our current vendor.

1846
02:32:27,861 --> 02:32:32,997
Mr. Gomez, anticipating the possibility of an eight week.

1847
02:32:32,997 --> 02:32:35,890
What would be the implication of a transition period

1848
02:32:35,890 --> 02:32:38,890
if we wait that long?

1849
02:32:38,917 --> 02:32:42,870
>> As you mentioned, the current contract we have ends around

1850
02:32:42,870 --> 02:32:44,870
March of 2026. --

1851
02:32:45,563 --> 02:32:46,877
27.

1852
02:32:46,877 --> 02:32:47,699
>> 27.

1853
02:32:47,699 --> 02:32:50,573
We may have to extend that agreement

1854
02:32:50,573 --> 02:32:54,173
to have the transition process take

1855
02:32:55,337 --> 02:32:56,962
>> There's no guarantee that that would

1856
02:32:56,962 --> 02:32:58,437
be agreeable by both parties.

1857
02:32:58,437 --> 02:33:00,437
It's an assumption.

1858
02:33:01,370 --> 02:33:02,877
>> Which both parties?

1859
02:33:02,877 --> 02:33:04,887
>> The city and the current vendor.

1860
02:33:04,887 --> 02:33:06,220
>> They don't get a say in this.

1861
02:33:06,220 --> 02:33:07,833
This is our RFP.

1862
02:33:07,833 --> 02:33:09,423
Let's focus.

1863
02:33:09,423 --> 02:33:12,917
>> I want you to focus, it's a transition period on March 3rd

1864
02:33:12,917 --> 02:33:14,917
of 2027 period

1865
02:33:15,197 --> 02:33:18,717
>> If we say it's eight weeks, they'll figure a way to do it.

1866
02:33:18,717 --> 02:33:20,402
We've already asked these questions.

1867
02:33:20,402 --> 02:33:24,110
The question before us is eight weeks.

1868
02:33:24,110 --> 02:33:25,543
Are we good?

1869
02:33:25,543 --> 02:33:31,800
All right let's move on to the next item the next item is --

1870
02:33:31,800 --> 02:33:36,408
>> Mr. Mayor -- >> Forgive me I'm having difficulty reading

1871
02:33:36,507 --> 02:33:37,700
this.

1872
02:33:37,700 --> 02:33:39,717
Is there a way you can bring it up on the screen?

1873
02:33:39,717 --> 02:33:42,583
>> Mr. Mayor, just a comment for the record,

1874
02:33:42,583 --> 02:33:46,177
as you go through this list, you're accepting consensus with

1875
02:33:46,177 --> 02:33:48,697
your colleagues as opposed to motioning it.

1876
02:33:48,697 --> 02:33:51,170
The record reflects your consensus on the item.

1877
02:33:51,170 --> 02:33:53,597
The staff can be guided accordingly.

1878
02:33:53,597 --> 02:33:57,197
Thank you, >> Should the RFP remain

1879
02:33:58,316 --> 02:34:00,477
a non-mandatory Pre-bid meeting.

1880
02:34:00,477 --> 02:34:01,527
Everyone said yes.

1881
02:34:01,527 --> 02:34:02,607
Any objection?

1882
02:34:02,607 --> 02:34:05,700
It will be included.

1883
02:34:05,237 --> 02:34:08,413
The next one is should city staff

1884
02:34:08,413 --> 02:34:10,813
document all verbal questions?

1885
02:34:10,850 --> 02:34:12,850
Everybody said yes.

1886
02:34:13,165 --> 02:34:14,733
Any objections?

1887
02:34:14,733 --> 02:34:15,989
So noted.

1888
02:34:15,989 --> 02:34:20,677
The next question was: Should the city clerk

1889
02:34:20,677 --> 02:34:24,277
be required to attend the meeting.

1890
02:34:25,716 --> 02:34:27,317
Everyone said yes.

1891
02:34:27,317 --> 02:34:28,245
Any objection?

1892
02:34:28,245 --> 02:34:30,290
We are good there.

1893
02:34:30,290 --> 02:34:36,629
The next one was : Should the RFP remain the proposed minimum

1894
02:34:45,183 --> 02:34:48,183
required roles and staffing levels?

1895
02:34:49,717 --> 02:34:54,877
I'm reading this to say that everyone said yes.

1896
02:34:54,877 --> 02:34:56,997
Any objections to that?

1897
02:34:56,997 --> 02:34:58,997
That is good.

1898
02:34:59,500 --> 02:34:59,867
>> One second.

1899
02:34:59,867 --> 02:35:02,917
That one I did find a little bit confusing.

1900
02:35:02,917 --> 02:35:05,457
Should the RFP retain the proposed minimum.

1901
02:35:05,457 --> 02:35:08,203
Right above it it provides option A and option

1902
02:35:08,203 --> 02:35:10,717
B. I thought that was supposed to say,

1903
02:35:10,717 --> 02:35:15,237
option A or option B, which one was the preference?

1904
02:35:15,237 --> 02:35:21,797
>> Just to clarify, if I may, there's option A and option B.

1905
02:35:21,797 --> 02:35:23,677
Those both have minimum requirements.

1906
02:35:23,677 --> 02:35:25,647
So there's minimum role assignments

1907
02:35:25,647 --> 02:35:28,557
for option A, 18 role assignments.

1908
02:35:28,557 --> 02:35:30,910
Filled at least by 17 individuals.

1909
02:35:30,910 --> 02:35:32,825
Because assistant building official

1910
02:35:32,825 --> 02:35:35,397
can serve as one of the trade chiefs.

1911
02:35:35,397 --> 02:35:39,873
Similarly, option B would be the city providing those two staff

1912
02:35:39,873 --> 02:35:40,373
members.

1913
02:35:40,373 --> 02:35:44,487
Which will be the chief building official and the building

1914
02:35:44,487 --> 02:35:45,497
department manager.

1915
02:35:45,497 --> 02:35:50,520
This is just C1, is asking is the City Commission

1916
02:35:50,520 --> 02:35:52,437
fine with retaining those minimum requirements

1917
02:35:52,437 --> 02:35:54,437
for both options.

1918
02:35:54,517 --> 02:35:55,637
>> For both options.

1919
02:35:55,637 --> 02:35:58,677
Then I change mine to yes.

1920
02:35:58,677 --> 02:36:00,105
>> Those two are done.

1921
02:36:00,105 --> 02:36:03,770
We are on C3 now.

1922
02:36:03,770 --> 02:36:04,690
>> C2.

1923
02:36:04,690 --> 02:36:06,557
>> I thought we just did that one.

1924
02:36:06,557 --> 02:36:08,197
>> We did c1.

1925
02:36:08,197 --> 02:36:11,123
>> Should RFP retain the ability for assistant building official

1926
02:36:11,123 --> 02:36:15,300
to also serve as one of the four required trade chiefs?

1927
02:36:15,300 --> 02:36:19,137
I am reading this to be yes.

1928
02:36:19,137 --> 02:36:21,137
Anyone object?

1929
02:36:22,637 --> 02:36:26,157
>> I'm not going to on this one -- >> Anyone else?

1930
02:36:26,157 --> 02:36:27,650
So, that one's good.

1931
02:36:27,650 --> 02:36:29,510
The next one is C3 now.

1932
02:36:29,510 --> 02:36:33,667
Should the RFP remain maintain the restrictions

1933
02:36:33,667 --> 02:36:36,727
of the minimum required dedicated personnel shall

1934
02:36:36,727 --> 02:36:39,557
be prohibited from simultaneously providing

1935
02:36:39,557 --> 02:36:43,157
building department services to other jurisdictions.

1936
02:36:43,733 --> 02:36:46,133
I am seeing yes.

1937
02:36:46,377 --> 02:36:47,837
Adapted as necessary.

1938
02:36:47,837 --> 02:36:50,229
That sounds like three yeses to me.

1939
02:36:50,229 --> 02:36:52,229
Anyone object?

1940
02:36:53,237 --> 02:36:56,977
>> I'm not saying yes to retain the restriction but only while

1941
02:36:56,977 --> 02:36:58,977
they're --

1942
02:37:07,407 --> 02:37:09,407
>> Mic, please.

1943
02:37:10,197 --> 02:37:13,789
>> My answer was yes, but only during their work hours.

1944
02:37:13,789 --> 02:37:16,343
Not during their off time.

1945
02:37:16,343 --> 02:37:20,543
>> Anyone object to that >> Is a break,

1946
02:37:21,616 --> 02:37:26,317
because one of the mentions was a break clocked hours?

1947
02:37:26,317 --> 02:37:28,397
>> A break is not clocked our.

1948
02:37:28,397 --> 02:37:29,837
Lunch hour is not a clocked hour.

1949
02:37:29,837 --> 02:37:32,309
Otherwise, you run into mischief.

1950
02:37:32,309 --> 02:37:37,177
If they're on their own time period out of the office.

1951
02:37:37,177 --> 02:37:40,210
>> If they're on their own time, they should be subject to this

1952
02:37:40,210 --> 02:37:45,100
period my thought is during a lunch break.

1953
02:37:46,587 --> 02:37:48,837
>> They're on salary during lunch period they get paid

1954
02:37:48,837 --> 02:37:50,837
lunch.

1955
02:37:53,963 --> 02:37:55,963
>> Is the breaks mentioned in the questionnaire.

1956
02:37:55,963 --> 02:38:00,197
Would that be on the clock or off the clock?

1957
02:38:00,197 --> 02:38:03,287
>> And the solicitation, we stated that the current language

1958
02:38:03,287 --> 02:38:06,637
states that they can't provide services while they're doing

1959
02:38:06,637 --> 02:38:08,630
their scheduled working hour.

1960
02:38:08,630 --> 02:38:08,854
Including breaks.

1961
02:38:08,854 --> 02:38:12,662
If they start at say a m and go to 6 p.m..

1962
02:38:12,662 --> 02:38:15,439
The lunch break would also be included that they cannot

1963
02:38:15,439 --> 02:38:20,839
provide those private -- >> IG report on this thing.

1964
02:38:22,972 --> 02:38:24,347
>> If they call it sick that day,

1965
02:38:24,347 --> 02:38:26,501
they're still scheduled but they show up,

1966
02:38:26,501 --> 02:38:29,117
they wouldn't be able to do it.

1967
02:38:29,117 --> 02:38:31,517
>> If they're collecting --

1968
02:38:32,991 --> 02:38:35,109
I read this to mean, if they're collecting,

1969
02:38:35,109 --> 02:38:39,357
which is a paid six day PT p o, they

1970
02:38:39,357 --> 02:38:42,410
can't use that day permit after hours they can go.

1971
02:38:42,410 --> 02:38:44,701
Like a Saturday or Sunday.

1972
02:38:44,701 --> 02:38:49,757
If they're off on a day, they can do it whatever they want.

1973
02:38:49,757 --> 02:38:50,743
>> Thank you.

1974
02:38:50,743 --> 02:38:54,343
>> I think that's just too restrictive.

1975
02:38:56,394 --> 02:38:57,477
>> Let's put it to a vote.

1976
02:38:57,477 --> 02:38:59,390
>> I understand the concept of a lunch.

1977
02:38:59,390 --> 02:39:03,917
If they choose to take a half day, full day, whatever it

1978
02:39:03,917 --> 02:39:05,357
may be.

1979
02:39:05,357 --> 02:39:07,877
>> If it's on their time or our time period

1980
02:39:07,877 --> 02:39:11,437
>> If they take the time off, that's their time period

1981
02:39:11,437 --> 02:39:12,783
>> If we're paying them.

1982
02:39:12,783 --> 02:39:16,797
>> If we're paying them, it's not their time.

1983
02:39:16,797 --> 02:39:20,397
If they take time without pay.

1984
02:39:21,391 --> 02:39:24,237
If they take PTO, they're on their time.

1985
02:39:24,237 --> 02:39:28,237
There was just an IG report on this.

1986
02:39:28,237 --> 02:39:29,503
>> It doesn't make sense.

1987
02:39:29,503 --> 02:39:31,517
The IG report they were doing it while they were still

1988
02:39:31,517 --> 02:39:32,590
on the clock.

1989
02:39:32,590 --> 02:39:34,797
This is not on the clock.

1990
02:39:34,797 --> 02:39:36,170
>> That's correct.

1991
02:39:36,170 --> 02:39:38,143
>> The city attorney.

1992
02:39:38,143 --> 02:39:42,770
>> If you put in for time off, your time off.

1993
02:39:42,770 --> 02:39:47,437
>> If it's vacation time or if it's sick time and it's part

1994
02:39:47,437 --> 02:39:51,389
of your own time, that is one thing.

1995
02:39:51,389 --> 02:39:56,189
If it's city time you're collecting a benefit.

1996
02:39:56,690 --> 02:40:00,290
You are working on city time.

1997
02:40:01,557 --> 02:40:03,957
>> I think I'm coming to understand where Commissioner

1998
02:40:03,957 --> 02:40:05,397
good is coming from.

1999
02:40:05,397 --> 02:40:07,317
When I worked at the county.

2000
02:40:07,317 --> 02:40:11,357
I took time off to go do things that I couldn't do on county

2001
02:40:11,357 --> 02:40:12,157
time.

2002
02:40:12,157 --> 02:40:17,397
You would take the time off to be able to do those things,

2003
02:40:17,397 --> 02:40:19,907
even though in theory, you're taking time off.

2004
02:40:19,907 --> 02:40:22,397
The agency is paying you.

2005
02:40:22,397 --> 02:40:24,370
>> That's the mayor's point.

2006
02:40:24,370 --> 02:40:25,478
If you're getting paid for it, it

2007
02:40:25,478 --> 02:40:27,797
means that you've accrued a benefit.

2008
02:40:27,797 --> 02:40:29,197
>> That's right.

2009
02:40:29,197 --> 02:40:32,983
>> But you're taking time >> But you're being paid for that time

2010
02:40:32,983 --> 02:40:33,483
off.

2011
02:40:33,483 --> 02:40:34,467
The city is paying you that time.

2012
02:40:34,467 --> 02:40:35,842
That's part of your compensation.

2013
02:40:35,842 --> 02:40:38,877
You get to get some time off.

2014
02:40:38,877 --> 02:40:43,710
>> Not to pick on -- >> They can go on vacation.

2015
02:40:43,710 --> 02:40:44,613
>> Not to pick on police or anything,

2016
02:40:44,613 --> 02:40:47,777
but let's say our police officer takes time off.

2017
02:40:47,777 --> 02:40:49,557
I don't know if that's true.

2018
02:40:49,557 --> 02:40:51,557
Does private security.

2019
02:40:51,627 --> 02:40:53,812
They're not allowed to do private security

2020
02:40:53,812 --> 02:40:56,212
during their time off?

2021
02:40:56,237 --> 02:40:59,317
>> Not unless it's an approved detail.

2022
02:40:59,317 --> 02:41:01,317
>> Okay.

2023
02:41:01,837 --> 02:41:06,370
>> PD obviously has specific rules and regulations.

2024
02:41:07,397 --> 02:41:10,774
>> The whole point of this, Commissioner, and let's back up.

2025
02:41:10,774 --> 02:41:15,637
The whole point is not to have Pembroke Pines implicated

2026
02:41:15,637 --> 02:41:20,269
by an association with the part time work.

2027
02:41:20,269 --> 02:41:23,657
If you're going to work part time, it should be on your time.

2028
02:41:23,657 --> 02:41:26,577
Should have nothing to do with city compensated time.

2029
02:41:26,577 --> 02:41:31,229
Whether on the clock or off the clock on PTO.

2030
02:41:31,229 --> 02:41:35,429
If you being compensated, you shouldn't use

2031
02:41:35,549 --> 02:41:38,757
that time for part time work.

2032
02:41:38,757 --> 02:41:42,477
>> Could they ask for paid time off?

2033
02:41:42,477 --> 02:41:44,143
>> They can.

2034
02:41:44,143 --> 02:41:46,877
>> Again we're not paying employee for the service

2035
02:41:46,877 --> 02:41:53,990
provider to provide a staff person there to do a job.

2036
02:41:53,990 --> 02:41:56,733
If it's person A B or C it doesn't matter.

2037
02:41:56,733 --> 02:41:58,297
As long as they have it filled.

2038
02:41:58,297 --> 02:42:00,314
That's the whole point behind it.

2039
02:42:00,314 --> 02:42:05,114
The roles and all this other good stuff.

2040
02:42:21,693 --> 02:42:22,818
>> Were paying the company.

2041
02:42:22,818 --> 02:42:26,659
Someone want to make a motion on this?

2042
02:42:26,659 --> 02:42:29,819
>> Mayor, I'm going to let you make the motion.

2043
02:42:29,819 --> 02:42:32,190
>> I don't make motions.

2044
02:42:32,190 --> 02:42:34,459
>> Give me the language you would support.

2045
02:42:34,459 --> 02:42:41,525
>> I make a motion that we only have the restriction when they

2046
02:42:41,525 --> 02:42:43,485
are clocked in.

2047
02:42:43,485 --> 02:42:47,984
And that does not include the break or lunch hour.

2048
02:42:47,984 --> 02:42:49,317
>> I will second for discussion.

2049
02:42:49,317 --> 02:42:52,499
I'd really like to hear from the manager on this.

2050
02:42:52,499 --> 02:42:54,879
I don't know how I'm going to vote on it.

2051
02:42:54,879 --> 02:42:57,279
For the assistant manager.

2052
02:42:57,539 --> 02:42:58,712
>> There's a second.

2053
02:42:58,712 --> 02:43:01,712
You can ask your question.

2054
02:43:02,219 --> 02:43:03,899
>> Define it.

2055
02:43:03,899 --> 02:43:06,922
>> My stance as City manager is the context that comes along

2056
02:43:06,922 --> 02:43:10,707
with this and when this was first discussed,

2057
02:43:10,707 --> 02:43:16,399
is that staff was concerned that a person would serve as one

2058
02:43:16,399 --> 02:43:20,259
of our trade chiefs, but could also be a building official

2059
02:43:20,259 --> 02:43:21,819
and another city.

2060
02:43:21,819 --> 02:43:24,715
Therefore the staff here at the city of Pembroke Pines,

2061
02:43:24,715 --> 02:43:28,191
would not have the dedicated time we need to serve.

2062
02:43:28,191 --> 02:43:30,399
There's a second question I'll come up in your survey

2063
02:43:30,399 --> 02:43:33,835
that I really believe the lunch break type issue can happen.

2064
02:43:33,835 --> 02:43:36,835
We have asked the commission.

2065
02:43:38,579 --> 02:43:39,889
>> I just exempted that.

2066
02:43:39,889 --> 02:43:42,859
So it's not a lunch break issue here.

2067
02:43:42,859 --> 02:43:44,579
>> He took it out.

2068
02:43:44,579 --> 02:43:46,839
>> They can't do it on a lunch break.

2069
02:43:46,839 --> 02:43:50,996
>> What was I going to suggest you is the dual role issue.

2070
02:43:50,996 --> 02:43:52,579
We've given you another question where

2071
02:43:52,579 --> 02:43:56,139
it's Monday through Friday, during regular business hours.

2072
02:43:56,139 --> 02:43:59,603
Again, I do not want to put yourself in a situation

2073
02:43:59,603 --> 02:44:01,971
where you say yes here but you contradict yourself

2074
02:44:01,971 --> 02:44:03,179
on the second vote.

2075
02:44:03,179 --> 02:44:06,179
If that makes sense, mayor.

2076
02:44:06,419 --> 02:44:08,900
>> Two Commissioner Rodriguez's point,

2077
02:44:08,900 --> 02:44:10,819
which you need to restate it, Commissioner,

2078
02:44:10,819 --> 02:44:13,819
but who are you paying?

2079
02:44:13,883 --> 02:44:17,611
Are you paying an individual are you paying a company?

2080
02:44:17,611 --> 02:44:22,905
If Mike Hernandez, is the building department and Angela

2081
02:44:22,905 --> 02:44:24,679
Castillo is one of my employees.

2082
02:44:24,679 --> 02:44:27,790
Wouldn't that be amazing.

2083
02:44:27,739 --> 02:44:30,419
>> I would work for you.

2084
02:44:30,419 --> 02:44:32,227
>> Let's just say he's one of my employees.

2085
02:44:32,227 --> 02:44:35,339
He is not reporting to work that day.

2086
02:44:35,339 --> 02:44:38,220
Tom good fills the slot.

2087
02:44:38,220 --> 02:44:40,499
They meet the minimum requirements.

2088
02:44:40,499 --> 02:44:44,492
Angela is not being paid or is being paid at that moment

2089
02:44:44,492 --> 02:44:46,452
by the city of Pembroke Pines.

2090
02:44:46,452 --> 02:44:48,811
My question is, are you paying the entity,

2091
02:44:48,811 --> 02:44:51,334
the company that's doing the work or the individual.

2092
02:44:51,334 --> 02:44:54,334
Are we actually paying individuals?

2093
02:44:54,779 --> 02:44:56,259
>> We're paying the entity.

2094
02:44:56,259 --> 02:45:00,483
It's very important, vice mayor, the context of this question

2095
02:45:00,483 --> 02:45:05,190
was about serving in required positions in two

2096
02:45:05,190 --> 02:45:07,190
locations at the same time.

2097
02:45:07,190 --> 02:45:12,691
Staff's concern, I know this migrated into a different place.

2098
02:45:12,691 --> 02:45:16,891
Staff's concern is that our chief structural,

2099
02:45:17,440 --> 02:45:19,251
whoever that person may be in the future,

2100
02:45:19,251 --> 02:45:23,523
cannot be in the ability permit could not serve as a building

2101
02:45:23,523 --> 02:45:26,110
official or chief structural and another location.

2102
02:45:26,110 --> 02:45:29,435
What staff needed as part of the situation

2103
02:45:29,435 --> 02:45:31,539
with dedicated position is people

2104
02:45:31,539 --> 02:45:35,979
who are here to serve the city of Pembroke Pines.

2105
02:45:35,979 --> 02:45:39,179
>> From a staff's perspective, security we're looking for.

2106
02:45:39,179 --> 02:45:43,379
That's what the second question comes up.

2107
02:45:45,948 --> 02:45:48,531
>> There any objection to what the assistant city manager just

2108
02:45:48,531 --> 02:45:51,379
said, that the officials will only serve the city of Pembroke

2109
02:45:51,379 --> 02:45:51,879
Pines?

2110
02:45:51,879 --> 02:45:53,835
Is anyone object to that?

2111
02:45:53,835 --> 02:45:56,819
I'm not hearing an objection.

2112
02:45:56,819 --> 02:45:58,259
>> I'm still missing that point.

2113
02:45:58,259 --> 02:46:00,659
Just serving the city.

2114
02:46:01,499 --> 02:46:05,990
All these providers have a requirement

2115
02:46:08,990 --> 02:46:13,499
to fill the position with a qualified staff person.

2116
02:46:14,190 --> 02:46:18,521
Whether that qualified staff person is person A B or C,

2117
02:46:18,521 --> 02:46:20,695
as long as they're there on the day,

2118
02:46:20,695 --> 02:46:23,435
I don't think we should be meddling

2119
02:46:23,435 --> 02:46:26,909
with those kind of details within that organization.

2120
02:46:26,909 --> 02:46:28,659
>> I've got to tell you Commissioner good,

2121
02:46:28,659 --> 02:46:30,363
this rarely happens.

2122
02:46:30,363 --> 02:46:32,363
I 150% disagree.

2123
02:46:32,715 --> 02:46:35,575
I want to know who they are proposing.

2124
02:46:35,575 --> 02:46:38,753
I do not want bait and switch down the road

2125
02:46:38,753 --> 02:46:41,419
that we should hire our own staff.

2126
02:46:41,419 --> 02:46:43,689
>> No we don't have to hire our own staff.

2127
02:46:43,689 --> 02:46:47,289
That's not what we're talking about.

2128
02:46:47,539 --> 02:46:50,945
We are getting our money's worth out of a contract.

2129
02:46:50,945 --> 02:46:52,219
We have that now.

2130
02:46:52,219 --> 02:46:54,507
There are other companies that may want

2131
02:46:54,507 --> 02:46:56,803
to engage in other practices.

2132
02:46:56,803 --> 02:46:59,359
In my opinion, that does not work for us.

2133
02:46:59,359 --> 02:47:01,835
If you want to work for Pembroke Pines,

2134
02:47:01,835 --> 02:47:06,669
you have to propose dedicated people in your proposal who

2135
02:47:06,669 --> 02:47:09,193
we know are going to be there.

2136
02:47:09,193 --> 02:47:13,339
Not a bunch of an apparent all start list.

2137
02:47:13,339 --> 02:47:15,939
Then when the first day of the contract shows up,

2138
02:47:15,939 --> 02:47:17,299
is the B squad.

2139
02:47:17,299 --> 02:47:19,523
I'm not interested in that.

2140
02:47:19,523 --> 02:47:21,759
I'm interested in them delivering

2141
02:47:21,759 --> 02:47:24,169
people they said they want.

2142
02:47:24,169 --> 02:47:27,579
They're quality people who we rank them on.

2143
02:47:27,579 --> 02:47:28,635
And nobody else.

2144
02:47:28,635 --> 02:47:31,258
And they should hold on to them, of course people

2145
02:47:31,258 --> 02:47:33,979
die, they move away, they take other jobs,

2146
02:47:33,979 --> 02:47:35,659
all that's understandable.

2147
02:47:35,659 --> 02:47:38,952
Just moving a company moving from here

2148
02:47:38,952 --> 02:47:42,692
to there without the approval of the contract manager.

2149
02:47:42,692 --> 02:47:44,985
I am not involved in that.

2150
02:47:44,985 --> 02:47:47,467
That's not what I am looking for.

2151
02:47:47,467 --> 02:47:50,422
That's not what the company is rated on.

2152
02:47:50,422 --> 02:47:52,432
That is not something I'm interested in.

2153
02:47:52,432 --> 02:47:55,619
I just have to tell you come on that one,

2154
02:47:55,619 --> 02:47:57,459
it's a bridge too far for me.

2155
02:47:57,459 --> 02:47:59,819
It's up to you guys.

2156
02:47:59,819 --> 02:48:02,929
>> I could probably agree for sure if we were still operating

2157
02:48:02,929 --> 02:48:04,179
off a traditional model.

2158
02:48:04,179 --> 02:48:08,659
The model has been substantially changed this past legislation

2159
02:48:08,659 --> 02:48:09,459
session.

2160
02:48:09,459 --> 02:48:11,961
They gave the private providers the right

2161
02:48:11,961 --> 02:48:16,772
to do that our staff or our contractor would otherwise do.

2162
02:48:16,772 --> 02:48:20,319
It's going to create an incredible shift

2163
02:48:20,319 --> 02:48:21,779
in this industry.

2164
02:48:21,779 --> 02:48:25,979
This is something -- >> I don't care.

2165
02:48:29,739 --> 02:48:37,395
it's to me -- >> It sounds like I could be the deciding vote.

2166
02:48:37,395 --> 02:48:40,299
I've listened to both sides and I've spoken to administration

2167
02:48:40,299 --> 02:48:41,961
exclusively on this.

2168
02:48:41,961 --> 02:48:45,939
I am going to be with Commissioner good.

2169
02:48:45,939 --> 02:48:50,399
I think there are changing dynamics in the industry.

2170
02:48:50,399 --> 02:48:55,259
>> If I may, I don't know if I focused how I'm voting.

2171
02:48:55,259 --> 02:48:58,179
I just asked what the mayor wanted to do.

2172
02:48:58,179 --> 02:49:02,379
What concerns me about a private provider,

2173
02:49:03,275 --> 02:49:09,544
it said a 101 and I said back in June is that if we're going

2174
02:49:09,544 --> 02:49:14,539
to go down this path, we cannot have a chief building official

2175
02:49:14,539 --> 02:49:15,532
in-house.

2176
02:49:15,532 --> 02:49:20,932
Because then we're going to have an ethics conflict.

2177
02:49:21,819 --> 02:49:23,215
>> There's no ethics conflicts.

2178
02:49:23,215 --> 02:49:26,215
Just stay on this matter.

2179
02:49:28,990 --> 02:49:30,799
>> Let's please stay on the motion we have.

2180
02:49:30,799 --> 02:49:34,899
It can be managed in any way that we say.

2181
02:49:34,899 --> 02:49:38,712
>> I guess if this were the past, the way this is,

2182
02:49:38,712 --> 02:49:42,619
it's going to fundamentally change the way that Pembroke

2183
02:49:42,619 --> 02:49:45,190
Pines has been doing.

2184
02:49:45,489 --> 02:49:47,445
Building services.

2185
02:49:47,445 --> 02:49:49,590
>> Is changing already.

2186
02:49:49,590 --> 02:49:51,459
>> For no good reason in my opinion.

2187
02:49:51,459 --> 02:49:55,659
>> Yes, there are dynamics that are changing.

2188
02:49:56,179 --> 02:50:01,579
Vice mayor, and colleagues, this is not the direction.

2189
02:50:06,319 --> 02:50:12,739
If we go down this path, you're not going to get it back.

2190
02:50:12,739 --> 02:50:18,585
It is -- it is -- mayor and I have.

2191
02:50:18,585 --> 02:50:23,585
I mean the mayor was part of the original --

2192
02:50:23,585 --> 02:50:27,185
>> Mayor can we call the question.

2193
02:50:27,539 --> 02:50:29,819
>> Please please this is a big deal.

2194
02:50:29,819 --> 02:50:32,585
Anything on the list, this is the one item

2195
02:50:32,585 --> 02:50:36,190
that there really is a game changer.

2196
02:50:36,190 --> 02:50:38,439
>> Can I get some clarification.

2197
02:50:38,439 --> 02:50:40,839
There's something being misunderstood.

2198
02:50:41,539 --> 02:50:43,432
What staff is suggesting on this item

2199
02:50:43,432 --> 02:50:45,639
is that it's for another jurisdiction.

2200
02:50:45,639 --> 02:50:48,251
I'm not suggesting for any moment

2201
02:50:48,251 --> 02:50:53,627
that on Saturday and Sunday that if our building official works

2202
02:50:53,627 --> 02:50:56,319
as a private provider for another company or for a company

2203
02:50:56,319 --> 02:50:57,996
that he can't go to that work.

2204
02:50:57,996 --> 02:50:59,835
What we're saying and what we're asking for,

2205
02:50:59,835 --> 02:51:02,409
is our building officials are building officials.

2206
02:51:02,409 --> 02:51:07,338
That are structural chief is our structural >> That's right.

2207
02:51:07,338 --> 02:51:09,880
That's the way we've always operated here.

2208
02:51:09,880 --> 02:51:13,387
I see absolutely no good publicly policy changes.

2209
02:51:13,387 --> 02:51:14,929
>> I want to make that clarification.

2210
02:51:14,929 --> 02:51:17,785
I know private provider was coming up.

2211
02:51:17,785 --> 02:51:20,199
If one of the people that worked for the companies

2212
02:51:20,199 --> 02:51:22,963
they're coming forward, on the side

2213
02:51:22,963 --> 02:51:25,249
does private provider work for that company,

2214
02:51:25,249 --> 02:51:28,487
because both the companies we've been discussing so far

2215
02:51:28,487 --> 02:51:29,779
have private provider entities.

2216
02:51:29,779 --> 02:51:32,232
They want to do that work on Saturday Sunday, that's

2217
02:51:32,232 --> 02:51:33,851
not for me to say.

2218
02:51:33,851 --> 02:51:35,619
During their time off.

2219
02:51:35,619 --> 02:51:36,604
It's not the same.

2220
02:51:36,604 --> 02:51:37,979
What we're saying here is we have

2221
02:51:37,979 --> 02:51:39,659
dedicated staff in this city.

2222
02:51:39,659 --> 02:51:42,899
If our structural chief needs to do Central Village to do

2223
02:51:42,899 --> 02:51:45,299
reviews, we need that.

2224
02:51:46,859 --> 02:51:51,869
>> Imagine managing your staff and you don't know --

2225
02:51:51,869 --> 02:51:55,485
>> Now this is the one that confuses me.

2226
02:51:55,485 --> 02:51:57,230
>> I'm going to clarify.

2227
02:51:57,230 --> 02:51:59,910
I think we all agree on that.

2228
02:51:59,910 --> 02:52:02,907
I think there is or I think there's consensus.

2229
02:52:02,907 --> 02:52:05,411
I agree on that point as well.

2230
02:52:05,411 --> 02:52:08,483
My question was simply on off time.

2231
02:52:08,483 --> 02:52:10,883
There is a difference.

2232
02:52:12,990 --> 02:52:14,319
Because my train of thought is, and Monday

2233
02:52:14,319 --> 02:52:15,755
on Friday to whatever.

2234
02:52:15,755 --> 02:52:19,339
It's not like these companies have unlimited PTO.

2235
02:52:19,339 --> 02:52:21,339
I assume so.

2236
02:52:21,451 --> 02:52:24,345
Most companies have limited PTO.

2237
02:52:24,345 --> 02:52:26,875
If you ask for vacation time.

2238
02:52:26,875 --> 02:52:29,469
If you ask for off time, it's not

2239
02:52:29,469 --> 02:52:31,539
like we're going to have this bait

2240
02:52:31,539 --> 02:52:34,259
and switch 100% of the time.

2241
02:52:34,259 --> 02:52:39,605
There is a limit to the amount of time off that you take.

2242
02:52:39,605 --> 02:52:42,899
>> I'm telling you that the IG has investigation where

2243
02:52:42,899 --> 02:52:47,190
they've held cities and gross mismanagement for allowing

2244
02:52:47,190 --> 02:52:52,419
employees to do unauthorized work during paid time off.

2245
02:52:52,939 --> 02:52:54,879
Which they are compensated for.

2246
02:52:54,879 --> 02:53:00,490
You open the door and you're inviting an IG complaint.

2247
02:53:00,490 --> 02:53:04,699
In this industry, there has been a history,

2248
02:53:04,699 --> 02:53:06,699
without pointing fingers.

2249
02:53:07,419 --> 02:53:11,699
There has been a history of all kinds of shenanigans.

2250
02:53:11,699 --> 02:53:14,939
Unless the rain is very tightly pulled.

2251
02:53:14,939 --> 02:53:18,539
I cannot go down that path.

2252
02:53:18,813 --> 02:53:20,813
I just can't.

2253
02:53:21,699 --> 02:53:26,499
>> If I -- >> They were doing this simultaneously.

2254
02:53:28,352 --> 02:53:30,752
>> I see no simultaneously.

2255
02:53:30,959 --> 02:53:35,859
>> We were actually a part of the assistance in double

2256
02:53:35,859 --> 02:53:36,729
payment.

2257
02:53:36,729 --> 02:53:37,599
Remember.

2258
02:53:37,599 --> 02:53:40,805
We were part of that process.

2259
02:53:40,805 --> 02:53:43,712
It has happened to us already.

2260
02:53:43,712 --> 02:53:46,851
>> My question to you, Assistant city manager Sam,

2261
02:53:46,851 --> 02:53:51,234
if I were to support -- here's what I want, bottom line.

2262
02:53:51,234 --> 02:53:53,190
The chief building official.

2263
02:53:53,190 --> 02:53:54,979
Like Mr. Pezzullo who's in the back

2264
02:53:54,979 --> 02:53:57,979
is specific to Pembroke Pines.

2265
02:53:58,579 --> 02:54:00,579
I do not want to change that.

2266
02:54:00,579 --> 02:54:04,779
Now tell me what I'm voting on?

2267
02:54:05,539 --> 02:54:11,539
>> C3, was about them serving -- >> I'm not on c3.

2268
02:54:12,579 --> 02:54:15,579
>> We are on c3, right?

2269
02:54:15,979 --> 02:54:18,659
>> Just to clarify, right now we are on c3.

2270
02:54:18,659 --> 02:54:24,739
A lot of the conversation I think is more focused on E.

2271
02:54:24,739 --> 02:54:27,499
>> C3 is yes on everything.

2272
02:54:27,499 --> 02:54:32,899
>> C3 is specifically that are required positions cannot serve

2273
02:54:33,385 --> 02:54:37,432
in that same role in another jurisdiction.

2274
02:54:37,432 --> 02:54:41,525
Everyone said yes, so what is the issue?

2275
02:54:41,525 --> 02:54:45,179
>> The other topic of E was brought up.

2276
02:54:45,179 --> 02:54:47,224
>> Let's just focus on c3.

2277
02:54:47,224 --> 02:54:49,132
All of our officials can only serve

2278
02:54:49,132 --> 02:54:51,845
in that capacity in this city.

2279
02:54:51,845 --> 02:54:54,850
>> The answer is yes by everybody.

2280
02:54:54,850 --> 02:54:55,561
>> Does anyone eject?

2281
02:54:55,561 --> 02:54:57,961
That was a yes.

2282
02:55:00,810 --> 02:55:01,727
>> The motion is made.

2283
02:55:01,727 --> 02:55:03,739
>> The motion is gone.

2284
02:55:03,739 --> 02:55:06,739
>> The next one is c4.

2285
02:55:07,579 --> 02:55:10,419
>> Did we vote on that?

2286
02:55:10,419 --> 02:55:12,419
>> I seconded it.

2287
02:55:14,819 --> 02:55:15,710
>> It is removed.

2288
02:55:15,710 --> 02:55:17,710
It is gone.

2289
02:55:18,379 --> 02:55:19,899
>> It can't be removed.

2290
02:55:19,899 --> 02:55:22,110
>> You can pull it off.

2291
02:55:22,110 --> 02:55:25,450
What would you like to do?

2292
02:55:25,450 --> 02:55:28,450
>> Would you like to vote?

2293
02:55:30,135 --> 02:55:31,802
>> There is a motion and a second on c3.

2294
02:55:31,802 --> 02:55:36,795
Yes we will allow them to work in other jurisdictions and --

2295
02:55:36,795 --> 02:55:39,195
>> It's the other way.

2296
02:55:40,299 --> 02:55:42,139
>> Time off not on the clock.

2297
02:55:42,139 --> 02:55:45,139
Not being paid time off.

2298
02:55:45,659 --> 02:55:47,659
>> Mayor.

2299
02:55:51,386 --> 02:55:54,299
>> On whatever it may be. (Indistinct)

2300
02:55:54,299 --> 02:55:56,699
>> Commissioner, if I may.

2301
02:55:58,539 --> 02:56:00,796
>> Hold on a second.

2302
02:56:00,796 --> 02:56:03,483
All those in favor of the motion indicate

2303
02:56:03,483 --> 02:56:06,459
by saying I. All those opposed to the motion

2304
02:56:06,459 --> 02:56:08,219
indicate by saying no.

2305
02:56:08,219 --> 02:56:10,219
The ayes have it.

2306
02:56:10,219 --> 02:56:16,219
By that motion, we will allow employees of the vendor

2307
02:56:17,401 --> 02:56:19,552
to work in other jurisdictions.

2308
02:56:19,552 --> 02:56:24,352
Do you understand what vote was just taken?

2309
02:56:25,899 --> 02:56:27,859
>> Only on time off?

2310
02:56:27,859 --> 02:56:30,699
>> Did you understand your vote?

2311
02:56:30,699 --> 02:56:31,945
>> One second.

2312
02:56:31,945 --> 02:56:32,776
Hold on.

2313
02:56:32,776 --> 02:56:37,639
As long as my motion, I seconded the motion.

2314
02:56:37,639 --> 02:56:43,883
>> You don't have to vote -- >> Nobody talks me out of my vote

2315
02:56:43,883 --> 02:56:44,475
anyways.

2316
02:56:44,475 --> 02:56:47,956
The point here is, and I understand we went to C3

2317
02:56:47,956 --> 02:56:49,309
and what we were discussing.

2318
02:56:49,309 --> 02:56:54,709
Why I have confusion, C3 says, yes, yes, yes.

2319
02:56:56,899 --> 02:56:58,899
All of them.

2320
02:56:59,299 --> 02:57:00,990
Okay.

2321
02:57:00,990 --> 02:57:04,179
I have indicated, I don't want a chief building

2322
02:57:04,179 --> 02:57:07,415
official that does not work exclusively for the city.

2323
02:57:07,415 --> 02:57:10,124
What I understood from my conversations,

2324
02:57:10,124 --> 02:57:12,270
and that's why I also vote in the majority,

2325
02:57:12,270 --> 02:57:14,679
because I can bring it back up for reconsideration,

2326
02:57:14,679 --> 02:57:17,790
Robert's Rules of order.

2327
02:57:17,379 --> 02:57:23,590
Therefore, was I not just voting on anyone but the chief building

2328
02:57:23,590 --> 02:57:25,590
official?

2329
02:57:25,139 --> 02:57:26,579
>> Mr.!

2330
02:57:26,579 --> 02:57:30,939
With great reduction in the number of words,

2331
02:57:30,939 --> 02:57:34,692
please answer Vice mayor's question as directly as you can.

2332
02:57:34,692 --> 02:57:37,692
What does this item mean?

2333
02:57:37,899 --> 02:57:40,205
>>, to provide the utmost clarity,

2334
02:57:40,205 --> 02:57:45,419
the commissioner's motion brought in item from eight one

2335
02:57:45,419 --> 02:57:50,715
into C. What I described to the commission was that we would

2336
02:57:50,715 --> 02:57:53,259
have dedicated staff and our city.

2337
02:57:53,259 --> 02:57:56,939
Our trade chiefs, building officials, the 18 positions

2338
02:57:56,939 --> 02:57:58,799
and or 15 positions that are outlined here

2339
02:57:58,799 --> 02:58:00,843
would be dedicated to our city.

2340
02:58:00,843 --> 02:58:02,883
That's what this question asks.

2341
02:58:02,883 --> 02:58:04,947
When you reference a three yes votes,

2342
02:58:04,947 --> 02:58:06,739
it was having dedicated positions.

2343
02:58:06,739 --> 02:58:12,739
What happened in the motion, was items from lunch breaks

2344
02:58:12,739 --> 02:58:16,419
and everything else, discussed later, and question E,

2345
02:58:16,419 --> 02:58:18,789
was brought in and blended.

2346
02:58:18,789 --> 02:58:20,789
That's my confusion.

2347
02:58:20,939 --> 02:58:22,859
>> We're not referring to e.

2348
02:58:22,859 --> 02:58:24,364
>> I wanted to vote on c.

2349
02:58:24,364 --> 02:58:26,379
And C said yes.

2350
02:58:26,379 --> 02:58:28,987
>> But the thing is we weren't technically voting on C,

2351
02:58:28,987 --> 02:58:31,539
we're voting on the motion.

2352
02:58:31,539 --> 02:58:32,163
>> Correct.

2353
02:58:32,163 --> 02:58:34,563
The motion was blended.

2354
02:58:34,859 --> 02:58:36,425
>> You'll have to explain it to me.

2355
02:58:36,425 --> 02:58:37,515
I'm getting dizzy.

2356
02:58:37,515 --> 02:58:40,419
I want the chief building officials on the individuals

2357
02:58:40,419 --> 02:58:42,939
to be specific to the city of Pembroke Pines.

2358
02:58:42,939 --> 02:58:45,939
I'm also sympathetic to what Commissioner Goods said.

2359
02:58:45,939 --> 02:58:48,781
There are changes coming whether we like it or not.

2360
02:58:48,781 --> 02:58:51,386
Providing private provider and how we provide this service.

2361
02:58:51,386 --> 02:58:54,390
With all due respect to everyone who's been here,

2362
02:58:54,390 --> 02:58:56,926
Brooke Pines cannot continue to operate the way it has

2363
02:58:56,926 --> 02:58:58,134
for the last several decades.

2364
02:58:58,134 --> 02:59:01,907
Because outside of our control lies are changing and society is

2365
02:59:01,907 --> 02:59:07,139
changing. -- laws are changing in society is changing.

2366
02:59:07,139 --> 02:59:10,468
Mr. Not him specifically, but his position

2367
02:59:10,468 --> 02:59:11,885
be for the city of Pembroke Pines.

2368
02:59:11,885 --> 02:59:13,979
I don't want a chief building official

2369
02:59:13,979 --> 02:59:16,190
saying I'm going to work in Weston today.

2370
02:59:16,190 --> 02:59:17,683
I don't want that.

2371
02:59:17,683 --> 02:59:19,907
However, I'm a semi-intelligent individual.

2372
02:59:19,907 --> 02:59:22,592
The way that this was explained and how

2373
02:59:22,592 --> 02:59:25,530
it got to where it got to come I voted yes

2374
02:59:25,530 --> 02:59:26,529
to bring it up for reconsideration.

2375
02:59:26,529 --> 02:59:29,919
If what I want is not actually what I vote on.

2376
02:59:29,919 --> 02:59:32,919
Does that make sense now?

2377
02:59:33,179 --> 02:59:36,739
>> Let's vote explicitly on what's written on C3.

2378
02:59:36,739 --> 02:59:39,716
Let's tackle each one afterwards.

2379
02:59:39,716 --> 02:59:41,299
>> Is that a motion for consideration,

2380
02:59:41,299 --> 02:59:43,299
Commissioner Rodriguez paramedic

2381
02:59:43,832 --> 02:59:46,539
>> I will second that motion.

2382
02:59:46,539 --> 02:59:48,509
>> Any discussion on reconsideration.

2383
02:59:48,509 --> 02:59:50,651
All those in favor say aye.

2384
02:59:50,651 --> 02:59:51,818
Any opposed?

2385
02:59:51,818 --> 02:59:53,818
That passes unanimously.

2386
02:59:54,580 --> 02:59:58,258
Commissioner Rodriguez is recognized for motion C3.

2387
02:59:59,379 --> 03:00:03,228
>> So I motion that RFP maintain the restrictions of the minimum

2388
03:00:03,228 --> 03:00:06,159
required dedicated slash dedicated personnel shall be

2389
03:00:06,159 --> 03:00:09,299
provided from providing building department services to other

2390
03:00:09,299 --> 03:00:11,580
jurisdictions.

2391
03:00:11,580 --> 03:00:12,818
>> Second to that motion?

2392
03:00:12,818 --> 03:00:14,818
>> Seconding the motion.

2393
03:00:15,218 --> 03:00:16,114
>> Any discussion?

2394
03:00:16,114 --> 03:00:18,779
All those in favor say aye any opposed?

2395
03:00:18,779 --> 03:00:19,803
Okay.

2396
03:00:19,803 --> 03:00:21,803
That passes.

2397
03:00:21,851 --> 03:00:22,875
C4.

2398
03:00:22,875 --> 03:00:24,875
What was c4.

2399
03:00:27,659 --> 03:00:31,362
>> Should the RFP maintain the required H minimum position with

2400
03:00:31,362 --> 03:00:34,959
the exception of official shall be filled by separate dedicated

2401
03:00:34,959 --> 03:00:37,403
individuals otherwise expressly approved in writing

2402
03:00:37,403 --> 03:00:40,403
to the city's contract manager.

2403
03:00:40,619 --> 03:00:44,844
>> One said yes, one said adept is necessary.

2404
03:00:44,844 --> 03:00:46,475
>> This falls along the same line.

2405
03:00:46,475 --> 03:00:49,619
The only line with the assistant city manager position is

2406
03:00:49,619 --> 03:00:51,619
depending -- >> Official.

2407
03:00:52,779 --> 03:00:54,779
>> Excuse me, official.

2408
03:00:55,119 --> 03:00:58,150
>> We're not talking about Mr. Gomez are you.

2409
03:00:58,150 --> 03:00:59,807
>> Depending on the option that's selected,

2410
03:00:59,807 --> 03:01:04,580
option A or option B. Are assistant building official

2411
03:01:04,580 --> 03:01:08,258
could also serve as a trade chief .

2412
03:01:08,843 --> 03:01:11,243
That's a flexible position.

2413
03:01:11,791 --> 03:01:14,191
>> Another jurisdiction or jurisdiction?

2414
03:01:14,951 --> 03:01:17,645
>> Then this is just dedicated to the city.

2415
03:01:17,645 --> 03:01:22,459
It matters on what option gets picked in the future, a or b.

2416
03:01:22,459 --> 03:01:24,739
>> What is your recommendation?

2417
03:01:24,739 --> 03:01:27,539
>> This is something we put in there and the commission asked

2418
03:01:27,539 --> 03:01:28,992
for options.

2419
03:01:28,992 --> 03:01:31,392
>> What is your recommendation?

2420
03:01:31,419 --> 03:01:33,419
>> Yes.

2421
03:01:35,714 --> 03:01:36,339
>> (Indistinct)

2422
03:01:36,339 --> 03:01:36,839
>> Any.

2423
03:01:36,839 --> 03:01:38,199
They do a great job.

2424
03:01:38,199 --> 03:01:40,859
The auditors just told us.

2425
03:01:40,859 --> 03:01:46,259
>> And one of the things were -- >>Mic, please.

2426
03:01:50,859 --> 03:01:53,978
>> The reason I believe that I put adapt is necessary

2427
03:01:53,978 --> 03:01:56,111
because you're going to wind up having to change.

2428
03:01:56,111 --> 03:01:58,478
That you continue to put on here.

2429
03:01:58,478 --> 03:02:01,228
That we're going to hold staff that's not necessary.

2430
03:02:01,228 --> 03:02:06,450
And those staff hours are going to be built into the permit fees

2431
03:02:06,450 --> 03:02:11,699
and white residents are going to have to pay those permit fees.

2432
03:02:11,699 --> 03:02:14,403
>> Unless otherwise expressly approved in writing

2433
03:02:14,403 --> 03:02:17,403
by the city's contract managers.

2434
03:02:20,650 --> 03:02:23,838
If it's necessary for the contract manager

2435
03:02:23,838 --> 03:02:26,344
should be able to deal with that.

2436
03:02:26,344 --> 03:02:29,759
>> I'm just making it very clear that my opposition to this is I

2437
03:02:29,759 --> 03:02:34,815
believe that some of these issues are going to a cost

2438
03:02:34,815 --> 03:02:37,761
driver that's not necessary for my residents to have to pay

2439
03:02:37,761 --> 03:02:39,584
for permit.

2440
03:02:39,584 --> 03:02:41,584
>> I totally agree.

2441
03:02:42,305 --> 03:02:46,105
>> Once the private providers come in we take a substantial

2442
03:02:46,105 --> 03:02:49,745
amount of work off of the buildings.

2443
03:02:49,745 --> 03:02:52,145
>> You'd be contract manager?

2444
03:02:52,185 --> 03:02:55,505
>> As of today, I would be.

2445
03:02:55,505 --> 03:03:00,100
>> I would encourage you to heed Commissioner good is saying

2446
03:03:00,100 --> 03:03:03,368
because nobody wants to imagine that you would incur any more

2447
03:03:03,368 --> 03:03:07,465
expense on anything than we absolutely have to.

2448
03:03:07,465 --> 03:03:10,675
>> I think it's extremely important to understand.

2449
03:03:10,675 --> 03:03:13,129
We currently have approximately 50 personnel

2450
03:03:13,129 --> 03:03:15,529
in the building department.

2451
03:03:17,250 --> 03:03:21,278
The flexibility that a private company serving as our building

2452
03:03:21,278 --> 03:03:24,400
department provides comment that a person, that company,

2453
03:03:24,400 --> 03:03:27,169
can make adjustments to those personnel.

2454
03:03:27,169 --> 03:03:29,321
What we've identified in this proposal

2455
03:03:29,321 --> 03:03:32,495
is that a certain amount of staff, minimum staff,

2456
03:03:32,495 --> 03:03:33,425
is required.

2457
03:03:33,425 --> 03:03:35,795
These are the professional staff that

2458
03:03:35,795 --> 03:03:38,131
can shift clerks in and out.

2459
03:03:38,131 --> 03:03:40,811
They can shift additional inspectors in and out.

2460
03:03:40,811 --> 03:03:43,925
This is the minimum amount of staff,

2461
03:03:43,925 --> 03:03:48,805
with certain credentials, that we need to operate the building

2462
03:03:48,805 --> 03:03:49,825
department.

2463
03:03:49,825 --> 03:03:53,425
Considering changes in private provider, Et-cetera.

2464
03:03:54,175 --> 03:03:57,142
We have not put in here that I need

2465
03:03:57,142 --> 03:03:59,841
to have the same 40 staff paramedic I

2466
03:03:59,841 --> 03:04:01,691
know that gets missed.

2467
03:04:01,691 --> 03:04:04,425
I completely understand what the commission is going

2468
03:04:04,425 --> 03:04:06,250
and there's a change.

2469
03:04:06,250 --> 03:04:09,335
I know it's difficult to grasp, because you don't touch it

2470
03:04:09,335 --> 03:04:09,851
every day.

2471
03:04:09,851 --> 03:04:12,335
And I apologize for my passion when it comes to this.

2472
03:04:12,335 --> 03:04:16,601
We see the ebbs and flows of plus or -4000 permits.

2473
03:04:16,601 --> 03:04:18,745
If the permits go down, there's still

2474
03:04:18,745 --> 03:04:21,490
work to be done on private provider.

2475
03:04:21,490 --> 03:04:22,373
This is the minimum.

2476
03:04:22,373 --> 03:04:24,910
I hope that is clear.

2477
03:04:24,910 --> 03:04:26,910
I apologize.

2478
03:04:26,785 --> 03:04:29,737
>> I have to tell you that even in baseball,

2479
03:04:29,737 --> 03:04:32,490
tight goes to the runner.

2480
03:04:32,490 --> 03:04:35,245
C-4, can somebody make motion with the language

2481
03:04:35,245 --> 03:04:37,365
consistent with C four.

2482
03:04:37,365 --> 03:04:39,385
>> I make the motion.

2483
03:04:39,385 --> 03:04:41,491
>> That's moved by Commissioner Rodriguez.

2484
03:04:41,491 --> 03:04:43,849
Is there a second?

2485
03:04:43,849 --> 03:04:46,185
Seconded by the vice mayor.

2486
03:04:46,185 --> 03:04:48,150
Any further discussion on C4?

2487
03:04:48,150 --> 03:04:50,137
All those in favor say aye.

2488
03:04:50,137 --> 03:04:51,425
Any opposed?

2489
03:04:51,425 --> 03:04:53,425
That passes unanimously.

2490
03:04:54,365 --> 03:04:57,545
C five, let's walk through C five.

2491
03:04:57,545 --> 03:05:02,105
Should the RFP maintain the requirements that staff

2492
03:05:02,105 --> 03:05:05,705
fulfilling minimum positions shall remain assigned

2493
03:05:06,105 --> 03:05:10,305
to designated disciplines, while allowing an appropriately

2494
03:05:11,585 --> 03:05:14,865
qualified and certified employee to provide limited

2495
03:05:14,865 --> 03:05:18,940
and temporaries -- who keeps moving this.

2496
03:05:18,940 --> 03:05:22,590
I can't read it if you move it.

2497
03:05:22,590 --> 03:05:24,885
Temporary assistance and another discipline

2498
03:05:24,885 --> 03:05:28,850
with the written approval of the city's contract manager.

2499
03:05:28,850 --> 03:05:30,485
Explain what that means.

2500
03:05:30,985 --> 03:05:32,577
>> This came up during their workshop.

2501
03:05:32,577 --> 03:05:36,177
Again, it was to allow flexibility.

2502
03:05:36,305 --> 03:05:39,265
Commissioner good come I believe you kind of allude to this.

2503
03:05:39,265 --> 03:05:42,290
That if somebody had different credentials,

2504
03:05:42,290 --> 03:05:45,305
could they fill that role on a temporary basis and fill in?

2505
03:05:45,305 --> 03:05:50,300
Again, the reason we're here is because we

2506
03:05:50,300 --> 03:05:51,305
heard a bunch of things.

2507
03:05:51,305 --> 03:05:55,665
We're trying to hone in, we're in agreement on this end.

2508
03:05:55,665 --> 03:05:58,597
>> Anyone wants to make a motion as written?

2509
03:05:58,597 --> 03:06:00,305
>> I don't think we need to make motions.

2510
03:06:00,305 --> 03:06:03,785
I think there would be consensus for some of these.

2511
03:06:03,785 --> 03:06:06,265
>> I want to make sure that we're not jumping over at.

2512
03:06:06,265 --> 03:06:08,265
Does anyone object?

2513
03:06:08,765 --> 03:06:10,693
>> I have a question.

2514
03:06:10,693 --> 03:06:13,481
If the same, yes, keep this.

2515
03:06:13,481 --> 03:06:15,737
I'm trying to land these planes here.

2516
03:06:15,737 --> 03:06:19,113
I'm sympathetic to what Commissioner Good is saying.

2517
03:06:19,113 --> 03:06:23,690
I also understand what you're trying to get at.

2518
03:06:23,690 --> 03:06:25,295
However, there may need to be adaptation.

2519
03:06:25,295 --> 03:06:28,145
That's what we're trying to do.

2520
03:06:28,145 --> 03:06:34,780
>> That's why it says -- >> -- it will explicitly say that.

2521
03:06:34,780 --> 03:06:38,278
>> It literally says, while allowing provide --

2522
03:06:39,757 --> 03:06:44,691
with their written approval of the city's contract manager.

2523
03:06:44,691 --> 03:06:47,665
Their flexibility is in the link.

2524
03:06:47,665 --> 03:06:50,305
>> As long as it's also in the RFP and also followed and not

2525
03:06:50,305 --> 03:06:52,705
just here for us.

2526
03:06:55,378 --> 03:06:56,545
>> Does anyone object to c5?

2527
03:06:56,545 --> 03:06:58,327
That gets done.

2528
03:06:58,327 --> 03:07:01,327
Now we are on c6.

2529
03:07:02,705 --> 03:07:04,705
Mr. City attorney.

2530
03:07:05,345 --> 03:07:08,345
Is that Mr. City manager.

2531
03:07:09,625 --> 03:07:13,225
>> RFP the requirement that cross-disciplinary assistance

2532
03:07:13,585 --> 03:07:15,901
may not be used to count what individual is filling two

2533
03:07:15,901 --> 03:07:17,505
or more minimum required positions.

2534
03:07:17,505 --> 03:07:20,638
Eliminate a required position or otherwise reduce

2535
03:07:20,638 --> 03:07:22,638
applicable staffing levels.

2536
03:07:23,265 --> 03:07:25,505
>> And why does this make sense?

2537
03:07:25,505 --> 03:07:27,905
>> Mayor, I'm going to use as my reference.

2538
03:07:27,905 --> 03:07:32,245
If you have the credentials to be the chief building officials

2539
03:07:32,245 --> 03:07:34,865
-- excuse me, check that.

2540
03:07:34,865 --> 03:07:38,650
Credentials to be chief structural and a chief plumbing.

2541
03:07:38,650 --> 03:07:41,654
You cannot serve into those two roles at the same time,

2542
03:07:41,654 --> 03:07:44,650
except a temporary situation where we're transitioning

2543
03:07:44,650 --> 03:07:45,395
or something like that.

2544
03:07:45,395 --> 03:07:47,650
Although it's very rare that someone

2545
03:07:47,650 --> 03:07:48,865
has all these credentials.

2546
03:07:48,865 --> 03:07:51,591
Again, staff's preference is this

2547
03:07:51,591 --> 03:07:53,281
is only on a temporary basis, not

2548
03:07:53,281 --> 03:07:56,731
on a permanent basis, so that our minimum capacity,

2549
03:07:56,731 --> 03:07:58,505
minimum roles.

2550
03:07:58,505 --> 03:08:00,459
>> Anybody have objection to that?

2551
03:08:00,459 --> 03:08:02,501
>> My question would be if private providers come

2552
03:08:02,501 --> 03:08:05,345
in and our work gets slashed in half.

2553
03:08:05,345 --> 03:08:09,121
That would be an exaggeration or something like that.

2554
03:08:09,121 --> 03:08:11,105
Our work gets slashed in half.

2555
03:08:11,105 --> 03:08:16,445
Would we still all agree that only one person per role?

2556
03:08:16,445 --> 03:08:17,945
>> Commissioner, if I could clarify.

2557
03:08:17,945 --> 03:08:20,177
I don't know how these companies are

2558
03:08:20,177 --> 03:08:22,701
going to bid on this are going to run their businesses.

2559
03:08:22,701 --> 03:08:24,937
If a private provider comes in they're

2560
03:08:24,937 --> 03:08:27,205
no longer going to provide the extra inspectors,

2561
03:08:27,205 --> 03:08:28,811
extra plant reviewers.

2562
03:08:28,811 --> 03:08:32,250
Chiefs and dedicated roles that were requesting,

2563
03:08:32,250 --> 03:08:34,137
again, are the minimum.

2564
03:08:34,137 --> 03:08:36,250
They will make cuts as necessary.

2565
03:08:36,250 --> 03:08:38,425
That's what they do.

2566
03:08:38,585 --> 03:08:39,473
>> The extras.

2567
03:08:39,473 --> 03:08:41,905
They're saying it wouldn't be of the minimum staffing.

2568
03:08:41,905 --> 03:08:43,505
Correct?

2569
03:08:43,505 --> 03:08:44,737
>> Correct.

2570
03:08:44,737 --> 03:08:46,737
That makes sense.

2571
03:08:47,398 --> 03:08:49,865
>> We have disciplines of structural electrical mechanical

2572
03:08:49,865 --> 03:08:50,825
and plumbing.

2573
03:08:50,825 --> 03:08:52,910
Of the four, mechanical and plumbing

2574
03:08:52,910 --> 03:08:55,369
would generally be the closest that would bind together.

2575
03:08:55,369 --> 03:08:58,553
To have a structural and plumbing,

2576
03:08:58,553 --> 03:09:00,785
those are two different trade schools.

2577
03:09:00,785 --> 03:09:03,465
That doesn't generally happen in the industry.

2578
03:09:03,465 --> 03:09:07,969
You can see a mechanical and plumbing go together.

2579
03:09:07,969 --> 03:09:12,250
But that's about the extent of it.

2580
03:09:12,250 --> 03:09:13,625
>> Can I ask a question.

2581
03:09:13,625 --> 03:09:15,398
>> Yes, sir.

2582
03:09:15,398 --> 03:09:18,241
>> In the private provider somebody qualified for all

2583
03:09:18,241 --> 03:09:21,745
the disciplines, can they sign all?

2584
03:09:21,745 --> 03:09:24,198
>> That would be an engineer.

2585
03:09:24,198 --> 03:09:27,295
>> If a private provider is qualified in all

2586
03:09:27,295 --> 03:09:30,705
the disciplines, would they be able to sign for each one

2587
03:09:30,705 --> 03:09:32,705
of those disciplines?

2588
03:09:32,705 --> 03:09:34,825
>> That is my understanding.

2589
03:09:34,825 --> 03:09:37,445
>> Why would we be different than the real world business out

2590
03:09:37,445 --> 03:09:39,445
there?

2591
03:09:40,185 --> 03:09:42,545
>> Commissioner, in all fairness,

2592
03:09:42,545 --> 03:09:46,605
use the word private provider, individual typically

2593
03:09:46,605 --> 03:09:48,771
doesn't work in that role.

2594
03:09:48,771 --> 03:09:50,505
>> Is the company.

2595
03:09:50,505 --> 03:09:54,765
>> They may have all those disciplines within their.

2596
03:09:54,765 --> 03:09:55,265
[Cross-talk]

2597
03:09:55,265 --> 03:09:56,179
>> Ask you a question.

2598
03:09:56,179 --> 03:09:58,304
Can the private provider be the same person signing

2599
03:09:58,304 --> 03:10:00,304
for all disciplines.

2600
03:10:00,305 --> 03:10:03,170
>> You're implying that the private provider is one person.

2601
03:10:03,170 --> 03:10:06,170
Not a private provider company.

2602
03:10:06,238 --> 03:10:07,805
>> Let's take it to the individual.

2603
03:10:07,805 --> 03:10:10,361
Can the individual come if they're

2604
03:10:10,361 --> 03:10:12,525
qualified in each discipline, can they

2605
03:10:12,525 --> 03:10:17,678
sign for each and every >> That is my understanding.

2606
03:10:17,678 --> 03:10:19,886
>> If they have all four, they're probably not doing

2607
03:10:19,886 --> 03:10:20,897
the kind of work.

2608
03:10:20,897 --> 03:10:23,897
They're probably working for NASA.

2609
03:10:24,345 --> 03:10:27,718
>> You're going to have to pay quite the salary for such

2610
03:10:27,718 --> 03:10:30,718
a capable person, I imagine.

2611
03:10:31,865 --> 03:10:33,659
>> Whoa whoa whoa.

2612
03:10:33,659 --> 03:10:36,557
So 25 years and the utility service,

2613
03:10:36,557 --> 03:10:38,369
25 years and the inspection service.

2614
03:10:38,369 --> 03:10:41,356
I helped write the law in the state of Florida.

2615
03:10:41,356 --> 03:10:44,251
I know exactly what it takes for all four disciplines.

2616
03:10:44,251 --> 03:10:50,335
And the amount of degrees and trade school and all this stuff.

2617
03:10:50,335 --> 03:10:51,865
It is not common.

2618
03:10:51,865 --> 03:10:57,135
It is not common to have an individual holding

2619
03:10:57,135 --> 03:10:58,955
four certificates.

2620
03:10:58,955 --> 03:11:02,250
The likelihood that the city of Pembroke Pines

2621
03:11:02,250 --> 03:11:03,431
would even have one.

2622
03:11:03,431 --> 03:11:06,465
We don't have one person in this current setup

2623
03:11:06,465 --> 03:11:08,705
that we have they're holding all four.

2624
03:11:08,705 --> 03:11:10,705
Not one.

2625
03:11:11,105 --> 03:11:12,611
>> Okay.

2626
03:11:12,611 --> 03:11:14,331
>> I purposely covered the names.

2627
03:11:14,331 --> 03:11:16,553
So I don't see who wrote what.

2628
03:11:16,553 --> 03:11:20,177
I'm with whoever is in the third book providing the option

2629
03:11:20,177 --> 03:11:23,369
that the workload efficiency and the managing the workload

2630
03:11:23,369 --> 03:11:23,986
gets changed.

2631
03:11:23,986 --> 03:11:26,361
The vendor would have the option to prevent a failed plan

2632
03:11:26,361 --> 03:11:28,185
to reduce staffing.

2633
03:11:28,185 --> 03:11:30,185
>> Commissioners Rodriguez.

2634
03:11:30,531 --> 03:11:31,743
>> I don't want to know.

2635
03:11:31,743 --> 03:11:33,425
I'm covering the names on purpose.

2636
03:11:33,425 --> 03:11:35,345
Whoever that is.

2637
03:11:35,345 --> 03:11:37,345
>> It's public record.

2638
03:11:37,865 --> 03:11:41,425
>> Built into most of this is obviously the ability for all

2639
03:11:41,425 --> 03:11:42,513
of us.

2640
03:11:42,513 --> 03:11:44,851
Whether the vendor comes forward,

2641
03:11:44,851 --> 03:11:47,731
to speak to the contract manager.

2642
03:11:47,731 --> 03:11:51,361
Eventually, somebody whether on our end or the contractor

2643
03:11:51,361 --> 03:11:54,577
or the vendor, could come in and say actually we

2644
03:11:54,577 --> 03:11:56,505
have this one overachiever.

2645
03:11:56,505 --> 03:11:57,945
They can do all these things.

2646
03:11:57,945 --> 03:11:59,291
Can we switch that?

2647
03:11:59,291 --> 03:12:01,281
At some point that could come up.

2648
03:12:01,281 --> 03:12:04,451
I just want to state that flexibility.

2649
03:12:04,451 --> 03:12:08,465
>> I think we can work that into the motion.

2650
03:12:08,465 --> 03:12:12,650
>> Mayor, this is just the RFP.

2651
03:12:12,385 --> 03:12:15,505
>> We're trying to approve language for you.

2652
03:12:15,505 --> 03:12:20,265
>> We can add or approve as approved by the contract

2653
03:12:20,265 --> 03:12:21,445
manager.

2654
03:12:21,445 --> 03:12:23,465
>> I'm trying get that approved.

2655
03:12:23,465 --> 03:12:25,265
>> No, that is fine.

2656
03:12:25,265 --> 03:12:30,225
Allowing whatever's on their is fine as a consensus.

2657
03:12:30,225 --> 03:12:34,345
>> C6 is written with Commissioner Rodriguez comment.

2658
03:12:34,345 --> 03:12:35,937
Any objection to that?

2659
03:12:35,937 --> 03:12:38,337
That one is cleared.

2660
03:12:38,585 --> 03:12:40,585
D1 .

2661
03:12:45,922 --> 03:12:51,922
>> Mayor, this item -- read it -- >> Read it first.

2662
03:12:54,625 --> 03:12:58,694
>> The proposal initially talked about during the first year

2663
03:12:58,694 --> 03:13:01,798
paramedic no changes within the first year.

2664
03:13:01,798 --> 03:13:05,998
This is specific to the required positions.

2665
03:13:06,705 --> 03:13:09,105
Not the whole staff.

2666
03:13:09,265 --> 03:13:11,785
They control the rest of the staff.

2667
03:13:11,785 --> 03:13:14,185
The required 18 or 15 positions.

2668
03:13:14,538 --> 03:13:17,220
The staff's recommendation was not in the first year,

2669
03:13:17,220 --> 03:13:19,105
they have to have year in the system understanding

2670
03:13:19,105 --> 03:13:22,208
how it works and operates before they just immediately get rid

2671
03:13:22,208 --> 03:13:24,865
of, let's call it not the chiefs, but some lower

2672
03:13:24,865 --> 03:13:26,700
positions.

2673
03:13:26,700 --> 03:13:27,465
>> That's why I wrote what I wrote.

2674
03:13:27,465 --> 03:13:30,251
It should be up to the contract.

2675
03:13:30,251 --> 03:13:32,365
>> I still don't want to know who wrote what.

2676
03:13:32,365 --> 03:13:36,321
I still think setting a year with a dynamics of the industry

2677
03:13:36,321 --> 03:13:38,650
and how everything changes.

2678
03:13:38,650 --> 03:13:41,650
I wouldn't stick our feet in concrete.

2679
03:13:41,650 --> 03:13:43,650
There's 365 days.

2680
03:13:43,865 --> 03:13:46,953
>> Is there consensus for that to be negotiated with

2681
03:13:46,953 --> 03:13:50,411
the contract manager, instead of a timeline?

2682
03:13:50,411 --> 03:13:52,265
>> I agree to it.

2683
03:13:52,265 --> 03:13:53,585
>> Sounds good.

2684
03:13:53,585 --> 03:13:55,100
>> Anybody disagree?

2685
03:13:55,100 --> 03:13:56,878
D is agreed to.

2686
03:13:56,878 --> 03:13:58,488
E1.

2687
03:13:58,488 --> 03:14:00,905
>> What restrictions should apply to private provider work

2688
03:14:00,905 --> 03:14:05,425
performed by the contractor personnel assigned to the city?

2689
03:14:05,425 --> 03:14:06,453
>> No.

2690
03:14:06,453 --> 03:14:10,585
I believe this is where Commissioner Goode was coming in

2691
03:14:10,585 --> 03:14:11,905
with time off.

2692
03:14:11,905 --> 03:14:15,425
We provide a couple options here.

2693
03:14:15,425 --> 03:14:18,365
>> I don't want people who we pay for doing that work.

2694
03:14:18,365 --> 03:14:20,467
I want them working for us and that is it.

2695
03:14:20,467 --> 03:14:23,425
That's the cleanest way for the city of Pembroke Pines.

2696
03:14:23,425 --> 03:14:25,825
This has been troublesome.

2697
03:14:28,425 --> 03:14:31,425
And embarrassing and ECG context.

2698
03:14:32,129 --> 03:14:34,145
I don't want that drifting away.

2699
03:14:34,145 --> 03:14:36,700
I want them to work for us.

2700
03:14:36,700 --> 03:14:37,329
For as long as they can.

2701
03:14:37,329 --> 03:14:39,916
If the world changes, we can work it out again.

2702
03:14:39,916 --> 03:14:44,841
As long as we have a hand in it, I want them working for us.

2703
03:14:44,841 --> 03:14:50,841
>> One of the options here, is to expand -- >> --

2704
03:14:52,751 --> 03:14:55,428
>> Work performed by the contractor personnel assigned

2705
03:14:55,428 --> 03:14:56,845
to the city Monday through Friday.

2706
03:14:56,845 --> 03:15:00,785
Our current vendor does inspections on Fridays.

2707
03:15:00,785 --> 03:15:02,735
If they're scheduled.

2708
03:15:02,735 --> 03:15:06,265
This would come theoretically, if one of those personnel

2709
03:15:06,265 --> 03:15:08,753
does private provider work on a weekend, that's

2710
03:15:08,753 --> 03:15:11,645
one of the options that's provided here.

2711
03:15:11,645 --> 03:15:14,645
The big issue is it's not happening Monday through Friday,

2712
03:15:14,645 --> 03:15:16,545
during business hours.

2713
03:15:16,545 --> 03:15:18,565
Staff initially brought this item forward.

2714
03:15:18,565 --> 03:15:21,545
There was concern in a city vehicle,

2715
03:15:21,545 --> 03:15:24,650
someone could fly down in another city adjacent to us

2716
03:15:24,650 --> 03:15:25,289
and provide services.

2717
03:15:25,289 --> 03:15:27,538
It was brought up to the commission,

2718
03:15:27,538 --> 03:15:28,913
I think it was a one mile radius.

2719
03:15:28,913 --> 03:15:31,605
There was a little conversation around that.

2720
03:15:31,605 --> 03:15:35,881
We feel that we brought something back in these options.

2721
03:15:35,881 --> 03:15:38,305
Monday through Friday during those working hours,

2722
03:15:38,305 --> 03:15:40,136
that could be accomplished and still

2723
03:15:40,136 --> 03:15:41,969
allow those people to do things on their own

2724
03:15:41,969 --> 03:15:43,110
to make additional money.

2725
03:15:43,110 --> 03:15:45,318
To do whatever they need to do.

2726
03:15:45,318 --> 03:15:48,361
>> I'm going to go further with that, Mr. Stamm,

2727
03:15:48,361 --> 03:15:51,145
our building stop at 6 p.m..

2728
03:15:51,145 --> 03:15:52,838
There's nothing proving after six.

2729
03:15:52,838 --> 03:15:55,258
There's nothing prohibiting Saturdays and Sundays.

2730
03:15:55,258 --> 03:15:58,198
I think this is the best option to be

2731
03:15:58,198 --> 03:16:03,638
able to adapt to the changing world of the private provider.

2732
03:16:03,638 --> 03:16:05,998
>> Would that be a B or C?

2733
03:16:05,998 --> 03:16:08,505
>> I believe it would be b.

2734
03:16:08,505 --> 03:16:11,185
>> B says Monday through Friday.

2735
03:16:11,185 --> 03:16:15,794
>> During city business >> You would add during city business

2736
03:16:15,794 --> 03:16:16,451
hours.

2737
03:16:16,451 --> 03:16:20,145
>> I can live with city business hours.

2738
03:16:20,145 --> 03:16:23,505
>> What city business hours is not Friday.

2739
03:16:23,505 --> 03:16:25,505
>> 7 to 6.

2740
03:16:26,945 --> 03:16:29,910
>> I think we saying, Commissioner Rodriguez,

2741
03:16:29,910 --> 03:16:32,691
is city business hours including Friday.

2742
03:16:32,705 --> 03:16:36,838
>> Is that the difference between A and B?

2743
03:16:36,838 --> 03:16:39,838
That's city working hours, technically

2744
03:16:40,165 --> 03:16:42,425
city is not open on Friday.

2745
03:16:42,425 --> 03:16:44,410
>> But department operates on Friday.

2746
03:16:44,410 --> 03:16:48,365
Matter of fact, Mr. Stamm works there every Friday.

2747
03:16:48,365 --> 03:16:54,365
>> It would be more the consensus of Monday to >> 7 to 6

2748
03:16:54,531 --> 03:16:55,310
p.m..

2749
03:16:55,310 --> 03:16:56,665
>> Adding the time frame.

2750
03:16:56,665 --> 03:17:00,265
>>, staff has no issue with that.

2751
03:17:03,228 --> 03:17:05,145
>> Consensus is 7 to 6, Monday through Friday.

2752
03:17:05,145 --> 03:17:07,545
7 to 6 Monday through Friday.

2753
03:17:09,305 --> 03:17:11,545
Monday through Friday, 7 to 6.

2754
03:17:11,545 --> 03:17:13,545
Anybody object?

2755
03:17:13,745 --> 03:17:15,255
>> I still get the time off.

2756
03:17:15,255 --> 03:17:16,713
There would be consensus otherwise.

2757
03:17:16,713 --> 03:17:19,650
You guys can go ahead.

2758
03:17:19,650 --> 03:17:20,320
>> We are good.

2759
03:17:20,320 --> 03:17:22,471
The next one is what?

2760
03:17:22,471 --> 03:17:24,471
F one.

2761
03:17:26,653 --> 03:17:28,945
>> For reference, the current draft has two alternative

2762
03:17:28,945 --> 03:17:33,545
leadership models: Option a, under chief building official

2763
03:17:33,545 --> 03:17:36,500
and Building Department Operations Manager.

2764
03:17:36,500 --> 03:17:39,285
Option B, under which positions are employed directly

2765
03:17:39,285 --> 03:17:41,685
by the >> Private provider.

2766
03:17:44,249 --> 03:17:46,903
I do want to get too deep into it.

2767
03:17:46,903 --> 03:17:49,945
With the changing world, the private provider and avoiding

2768
03:17:49,945 --> 03:17:50,713
conflict.

2769
03:17:50,713 --> 03:17:56,113
Mr. Stem, what would be the best way forward?

2770
03:17:56,158 --> 03:17:57,930
>> I think it can go either way.

2771
03:17:57,930 --> 03:18:00,825
I think it's going to be a preference on the commissioner's

2772
03:18:00,825 --> 03:18:01,385
end.

2773
03:18:01,385 --> 03:18:04,745
Whether they want it together or to positions.

2774
03:18:04,745 --> 03:18:08,129
We've heard different ideas come from the commission on how

2775
03:18:08,129 --> 03:18:13,651
this can >> To clarify, we wouldn't be deciding this now.

2776
03:18:13,651 --> 03:18:17,282
If we decide to go only with option B --

2777
03:18:17,282 --> 03:18:20,282
we would modify the RFP.

2778
03:18:20,545 --> 03:18:22,199
>> Modify the RFP and go with that.

2779
03:18:22,199 --> 03:18:26,525
The reason I kept A and B, is to gather that information

2780
03:18:26,525 --> 03:18:30,497
from the possible bidders and make a decision later.

2781
03:18:30,497 --> 03:18:32,897
That was my preference.

2782
03:18:32,985 --> 03:18:37,625
At least on this paper, I don't see that as a consensus.

2783
03:18:37,625 --> 03:18:39,918
I wanted to hear from the rest of you who weren't

2784
03:18:39,918 --> 03:18:42,918
able to complete the survey.

2785
03:18:43,825 --> 03:18:48,505
>> Commissioner Rodriguez, I think if I may come at you are

2786
03:18:48,505 --> 03:18:53,905
saying put it out to bid with both options.

2787
03:18:54,650 --> 03:18:57,629
The winning bidder would be more of a contractual commitment

2788
03:18:57,629 --> 03:19:00,625
to which way they would go?

2789
03:19:00,625 --> 03:19:01,676
>> They would go.

2790
03:19:01,676 --> 03:19:05,345
What we both decide would be best for the city.

2791
03:19:05,345 --> 03:19:07,745
>> I think we should decide it upfront.

2792
03:19:07,745 --> 03:19:09,897
>> I think that's the whole point behind it.

2793
03:19:09,897 --> 03:19:12,297
Not putting in both.

2794
03:19:13,465 --> 03:19:16,465
Both one or the other.

2795
03:19:18,905 --> 03:19:22,361
We should have building official employed

2796
03:19:22,361 --> 03:19:26,567
by the city of Pembroke Pines dedicated to the city.

2797
03:19:26,567 --> 03:19:29,450
Don't even put it in the bid.

2798
03:19:29,450 --> 03:19:32,137
That way it keeps it nice and clean for the review process.

2799
03:19:32,137 --> 03:19:38,105
Just like the mayor said, like you said Commissioner Rodriguez,

2800
03:19:38,105 --> 03:19:40,585
let's just make that decision.

2801
03:19:40,585 --> 03:19:43,250
>> I can live with it.

2802
03:19:43,250 --> 03:19:45,416
>> I'm not ready to make the decision right now.

2803
03:19:45,416 --> 03:19:48,405
The two people who did not participate in the survey

2804
03:19:48,405 --> 03:19:52,322
can give more context where their consensus is there.

2805
03:19:52,322 --> 03:19:53,655
>> I was on the phone last time.

2806
03:19:53,655 --> 03:19:57,855
This is my concern about the in-house.

2807
03:19:58,185 --> 03:20:01,185
The city administration can change.

2808
03:20:02,121 --> 03:20:06,921
If that changes, so does the entire staff.

2809
03:20:07,465 --> 03:20:11,665
By having the vendor provide the CBO,

2810
03:20:11,961 --> 03:20:16,249
it gives us stability regardless of what happens

2811
03:20:16,249 --> 03:20:18,649
at the administration level.

2812
03:20:20,345 --> 03:20:23,673
>> What if the person who the vendor chooses also happens

2813
03:20:23,673 --> 03:20:24,525
to retire?

2814
03:20:24,525 --> 03:20:28,725
So you come across the same issue.

2815
03:20:28,865 --> 03:20:32,585
>> It's a matter of having in-house management that can be

2816
03:20:32,585 --> 03:20:34,585
changed by circumstances.

2817
03:20:35,985 --> 03:20:39,673
Whether it be through policy change of the commission.

2818
03:20:39,673 --> 03:20:41,510
A retirement.

2819
03:20:41,510 --> 03:20:42,705
We know.

2820
03:20:42,705 --> 03:20:47,505
We have a general idea that there's probably

2821
03:20:47,521 --> 03:20:52,135
going to be some evolution of what the city administration is

2822
03:20:52,135 --> 03:20:54,825
going to look like before a contract

2823
03:20:54,825 --> 03:20:56,697
like this comes up for renewal.

2824
03:20:56,697 --> 03:21:00,897
Because of the length of the contract.

2825
03:21:01,385 --> 03:21:06,185
I believe it would serve the public well.

2826
03:21:08,241 --> 03:21:10,155
Having a chief building official not worrying

2827
03:21:10,155 --> 03:21:12,658
if they're going to be able to keep their job if there's

2828
03:21:12,658 --> 03:21:18,658
a change in management within the city of Pembroke Pines.

2829
03:21:32,329 --> 03:21:34,329
>>

2830
03:21:51,648 --> 03:21:52,148
>>

2831
03:21:52,148 --> 03:21:55,950
>> It's not that it hasn't worked the way we've had it.

2832
03:21:55,950 --> 03:22:00,518
But the option of having a CBO that answers

2833
03:22:00,518 --> 03:22:03,790
directly to the city and is our employee.

2834
03:22:03,790 --> 03:22:06,790
Offers the stronger internal control.

2835
03:22:08,270 --> 03:22:12,270
>> The building department operations manager I feel

2836
03:22:12,270 --> 03:22:12,810
strongly.

2837
03:22:12,810 --> 03:22:17,654
I said this with no disrespect to Mr. Stamm.

2838
03:22:17,654 --> 03:22:22,510
I think there needs to be a building official

2839
03:22:22,510 --> 03:22:26,710
industry individual in between the city administration.

2840
03:22:28,622 --> 03:22:32,550
So we can still have our in-house go to.

2841
03:22:32,550 --> 03:22:34,550
Overseeing the operations.

2842
03:22:35,270 --> 03:22:37,387
That's the building operations manager.

2843
03:22:37,387 --> 03:22:39,387
Not the CBO.

2844
03:22:39,540 --> 03:22:42,854
Mayor, I know it's a little quirky.

2845
03:22:42,854 --> 03:22:46,310
We can have the stability of a CBO.

2846
03:22:46,310 --> 03:22:48,710
>> It's too many people.

2847
03:22:49,790 --> 03:22:52,190
It doesn't achieve anything.

2848
03:22:52,970 --> 03:22:56,155
If you're an employee and you've got a chief CBO who

2849
03:22:56,155 --> 03:22:58,670
is a city employee and then you've

2850
03:22:58,670 --> 03:23:02,536
got an assistant city manager that's the contract manager.

2851
03:23:02,536 --> 03:23:05,510
Assistant city manager knows enough,

2852
03:23:05,510 --> 03:23:08,894
but doesn't have to be the one who approves the permits.

2853
03:23:08,894 --> 03:23:11,942
He only needs to do is manage the contract.

2854
03:23:11,942 --> 03:23:14,360
That is a different discipline.

2855
03:23:14,360 --> 03:23:16,620
That's a different skill.

2856
03:23:16,620 --> 03:23:18,620
I'm okay.

2857
03:23:18,920 --> 03:23:21,590
Commissioner good has been saying for years

2858
03:23:21,590 --> 03:23:24,502
that he's been uncomfortable with this setup.

2859
03:23:24,502 --> 03:23:27,854
And in fairness, it's the only department head

2860
03:23:27,854 --> 03:23:30,816
that we have that doesn't answer directly to us.

2861
03:23:30,816 --> 03:23:34,416
I can't think of another one.

2862
03:23:34,790 --> 03:23:39,614
If we want to move in the direction of having

2863
03:23:39,614 --> 03:23:43,540
a CBO who's a city employee.

2864
03:23:43,540 --> 03:23:45,454
That's fine by me.

2865
03:23:45,510 --> 03:23:49,390
>> Would that be defined by city employee or FCS?

2866
03:23:49,390 --> 03:23:51,430
>> I don't know.

2867
03:23:51,430 --> 03:23:53,430
>> It's important.

2868
03:23:53,870 --> 03:23:56,270
Because FCS, c employee.

2869
03:23:56,950 --> 03:23:59,350
Employee contract at will.

2870
03:24:04,274 --> 03:24:04,899
>> (Indistinct)

2871
03:24:04,899 --> 03:24:08,499
>> All department directors are at will.

2872
03:24:10,960 --> 03:24:12,330
>> I just need clarification.

2873
03:24:12,330 --> 03:24:14,712
I was in house last year.

2874
03:24:14,712 --> 03:24:19,323
I was saying this was a position that I had last October.

2875
03:24:19,323 --> 03:24:21,470
To bring it in house.

2876
03:24:21,470 --> 03:24:23,270
Is it a consensus of the commission

2877
03:24:23,270 --> 03:24:25,616
that we want in-house?

2878
03:24:25,616 --> 03:24:28,363
>> I don't have a problem with it.

2879
03:24:28,363 --> 03:24:30,350
>> I don't have an issue with it.

2880
03:24:30,350 --> 03:24:32,638
I'd like at a later date be briefed

2881
03:24:32,638 --> 03:24:34,723
on liability issues regarding having

2882
03:24:34,723 --> 03:24:37,140
that individual as an employee.

2883
03:24:37,140 --> 03:24:38,770
I do not have a problem.

2884
03:24:38,770 --> 03:24:42,970
It sounds like there's >> Probably less liability

2885
03:24:43,482 --> 03:24:44,190
than an employee.

2886
03:24:44,190 --> 03:24:47,300
>> Hence why I want to understand later.

2887
03:24:47,300 --> 03:24:52,174
>> Mayor, this is for option B is two positions.

2888
03:24:52,174 --> 03:24:54,574
It's the building official.

2889
03:24:58,957 --> 03:24:59,915
>> Option A is do both.

2890
03:24:59,915 --> 03:25:05,446
Option B was just to do -- >> Option A is contractor provides

2891
03:25:05,446 --> 03:25:06,176
all positions.

2892
03:25:06,176 --> 03:25:10,470
Option B is there's a chief building official.

2893
03:25:10,470 --> 03:25:12,870
Also common operation manager.

2894
03:25:14,590 --> 03:25:16,336
I want to make sure it's clear.

2895
03:25:16,336 --> 03:25:19,190
I know we only talked about one position.

2896
03:25:19,190 --> 03:25:21,190
There's two positions.

2897
03:25:22,870 --> 03:25:24,936
>> If you do not want additional staff,

2898
03:25:24,936 --> 03:25:29,550
the operational manager has to get pulled out of this thing.

2899
03:25:29,550 --> 03:25:32,614
>> We're talking about somebody between the CBO

2900
03:25:32,614 --> 03:25:35,310
and the assistant city manager.

2901
03:25:35,310 --> 03:25:38,910
This is someone below the >> That's

2902
03:25:40,746 --> 03:25:42,496
where the difference between F1 and F2 is.

2903
03:25:42,496 --> 03:25:46,190
>> F is the second part of the.

2904
03:25:46,190 --> 03:25:49,790
>> F2, I think -- >> I'm blending.

2905
03:25:51,230 --> 03:25:56,950
>> F1 is simply the internal, external for the RFP or we

2906
03:25:56,950 --> 03:25:58,798
provide both options.

2907
03:25:58,798 --> 03:26:04,310
It looks like we are going with simply option B. In the RFP

2908
03:26:04,310 --> 03:26:09,710
and consequently as the vendor only having the possibility.

2909
03:26:10,390 --> 03:26:12,990
>> Is Commissioner good on the building department operations

2910
03:26:12,990 --> 03:26:14,310
manager.

2911
03:26:14,310 --> 03:26:15,866
>> I think that's perfectly fine.

2912
03:26:15,866 --> 03:26:18,866
Does that role right now.

2913
03:26:19,300 --> 03:26:23,630
>> Currently, miss Cheryl, is in a role as we laid this out.

2914
03:26:23,630 --> 03:26:30,523
A lot of what she does is in terms of public records.

2915
03:26:30,523 --> 03:26:34,470
>> The city as well as the operations.

2916
03:26:34,470 --> 03:26:38,670
>> I'm putting a name with a face.

2917
03:26:41,283 --> 03:26:44,790
>> If we bring it in-house, we need the operations person.

2918
03:26:44,790 --> 03:26:47,154
>> Again, the design of this when we heard from

2919
03:26:47,154 --> 03:26:49,750
the commission there may be an interest in having a bidding

2920
03:26:49,750 --> 03:26:52,300
official work for the city.

2921
03:26:52,300 --> 03:26:53,654
The building official typically works

2922
03:26:53,654 --> 03:26:56,822
with our trade chiefs and our inspectors

2923
03:26:56,822 --> 03:26:58,342
and that type of staff.

2924
03:26:58,342 --> 03:27:00,950
The operations manager deals with public records.

2925
03:27:00,950 --> 03:27:03,150
Deals with housing stuff.

2926
03:27:03,150 --> 03:27:05,150
And technicians.

2927
03:27:05,256 --> 03:27:07,490
>> That was my understanding on my purpose.

2928
03:27:07,490 --> 03:27:09,830
I thought it would be duplicative.

2929
03:27:09,830 --> 03:27:12,309
For clarity, you don't believe it would be duplicative even

2930
03:27:12,309 --> 03:27:16,270
if we bring someone in-house to have the operations person's.

2931
03:27:16,270 --> 03:27:17,990
>> Correct.

2932
03:27:17,990 --> 03:27:20,850
>> This would be the third option.

2933
03:27:20,850 --> 03:27:22,850
The third selection.

2934
03:27:24,790 --> 03:27:28,105
>> I'm hearing a consensus for chief building official

2935
03:27:28,105 --> 03:27:32,110
and the buildings department operation manager to be Pines

2936
03:27:32,110 --> 03:27:32,758
employees.

2937
03:27:32,758 --> 03:27:34,702
And not FCS.

2938
03:27:34,702 --> 03:27:36,950
It's actually Pines employee.

2939
03:27:36,950 --> 03:27:37,734
That's correct.

2940
03:27:37,734 --> 03:27:39,542
Is there an objection?

2941
03:27:39,542 --> 03:27:41,942
F1 is agreed to.

2942
03:27:43,630 --> 03:27:48,430
>> Mayor, F2 was department head over those items.

2943
03:27:51,596 --> 03:27:52,263
>> Oh come okay.

2944
03:27:52,263 --> 03:27:54,960
>> That's what I was saying was duplicative.

2945
03:27:54,960 --> 03:27:56,950
If we bring it in-house, we would need someone.

2946
03:27:56,950 --> 03:27:58,390
>> Correct.

2947
03:27:58,390 --> 03:28:00,150
>> That's the same person.

2948
03:28:00,150 --> 03:28:02,270
>> So we can dispense of that one.

2949
03:28:02,270 --> 03:28:04,270
>> G1.

2950
03:28:04,790 --> 03:28:09,406
I don't understand what the issue is with transition.

2951
03:28:09,406 --> 03:28:11,700
If you need a transition, I believe

2952
03:28:11,700 --> 03:28:14,870
it should be negotiated when the transition need arises.

2953
03:28:14,870 --> 03:28:17,580
I don't see the need to talk about a transition

2954
03:28:17,580 --> 03:28:19,700
in a proposal.

2955
03:28:19,700 --> 03:28:21,443
Other than to put the requirement in.

2956
03:28:21,443 --> 03:28:25,725
That there shall be a transition negotiated between company

2957
03:28:25,725 --> 03:28:28,125
and the contract manager.

2958
03:28:29,670 --> 03:28:32,190
>> Talking in and out for that one?

2959
03:28:32,190 --> 03:28:34,190
>> Any transition.

2960
03:28:34,856 --> 03:28:37,150
>> At least some defined.

2961
03:28:37,150 --> 03:28:39,550
There is no transition.

2962
03:28:39,750 --> 03:28:42,110
>> You can say 180 days or less.

2963
03:28:42,110 --> 03:28:45,710
Depending on what the commission says.

2964
03:28:47,670 --> 03:28:51,690
>> I thought it was historical, as far as --

2965
03:28:51,690 --> 03:28:54,160
I didn't see it that way.

2966
03:28:54,160 --> 03:28:58,470
On this paper, Commissioner good, I didn't see it this way.

2967
03:28:58,470 --> 03:29:00,302
I didn't see it this way in the workshop.

2968
03:29:00,302 --> 03:29:06,302
What I'm looking at is , you have companies who have

2969
03:29:07,750 --> 03:29:11,982
participated in a transition process in the past.

2970
03:29:11,982 --> 03:29:14,374
The document of that transition process

2971
03:29:14,374 --> 03:29:18,662
went, so that staff can verify the accuracy

2972
03:29:18,662 --> 03:29:20,309
of what is submitted.

2973
03:29:20,309 --> 03:29:22,128
Not what you're going to do.

2974
03:29:22,128 --> 03:29:24,816
What you're going to do is a contractual commitment.

2975
03:29:24,816 --> 03:29:29,616
This is a historical -- am I off?

2976
03:29:30,110 --> 03:29:33,190
>> You're blending with what the second one is talking about.

2977
03:29:33,190 --> 03:29:35,190
The historical.

2978
03:29:35,310 --> 03:29:39,910
>> Commissioner, what we did is -- >> Point taken.

2979
03:29:39,910 --> 03:29:41,910
I'm blending again.

2980
03:29:42,110 --> 03:29:46,190
>> The idea that we put in the RFP is that the vendor should

2981
03:29:46,190 --> 03:29:50,390
have to provide a plan transition and transition out.

2982
03:29:50,390 --> 03:29:52,835
And then the historical perspective that goes in there.

2983
03:29:52,835 --> 03:29:55,483
The plan is going to be finally negotiated

2984
03:29:55,483 --> 03:29:56,740
with selected bidders.

2985
03:29:56,740 --> 03:29:59,310
We separate the questions to help give you some clarity

2986
03:29:59,310 --> 03:30:01,430
on how to move through this.

2987
03:30:01,430 --> 03:30:03,915
>> Do we need g1, g2 enough?

2988
03:30:03,915 --> 03:30:06,652
I mean it's an evaluation committee.

2989
03:30:06,652 --> 03:30:08,110
>> We left it up to the commission.

2990
03:30:08,110 --> 03:30:11,710
We heard conflicts during the discussion.

2991
03:30:11,950 --> 03:30:15,190
>> Is she even necessary to be put in the bid?

2992
03:30:15,190 --> 03:30:17,560
>> That's what the mayor is saying.

2993
03:30:17,560 --> 03:30:18,908
>> I don't think so.

2994
03:30:18,908 --> 03:30:23,310
I think you can say that in the event of termination

2995
03:30:23,310 --> 03:30:28,110
for convenience, that a transition shall be negotiated

2996
03:30:30,330 --> 03:30:32,605
without City commission approval,

2997
03:30:32,605 --> 03:30:34,605
not exceeding 180 days.

2998
03:30:35,390 --> 03:30:36,990
>> I can agree on that one.

2999
03:30:36,990 --> 03:30:41,190
That we can just take off g1.

3000
03:30:41,230 --> 03:30:42,715
>> I don't know.

3001
03:30:42,715 --> 03:30:46,315
Allow me to say my piece.

3002
03:30:46,390 --> 03:30:47,643
>> Go ahead.

3003
03:30:47,643 --> 03:30:51,916
>> I think we need to have some form of transition plan out

3004
03:30:51,916 --> 03:30:56,716
prior to a contract being signed and executed.

3005
03:30:57,358 --> 03:31:03,254
Then it's terms of the agreement that requires the contractor

3006
03:31:03,254 --> 03:31:05,654
to do certain things.

3007
03:31:05,770 --> 03:31:07,750
Because if they're leaving, they're

3008
03:31:07,750 --> 03:31:10,990
not going to negotiate your best interests.

3009
03:31:10,990 --> 03:31:13,570
>> I'm with Commissioner good for the record.

3010
03:31:13,570 --> 03:31:16,570
>> What do you want said?

3011
03:31:17,300 --> 03:31:21,890
You've got to come up with terms for transition out.

3012
03:31:21,890 --> 03:31:25,870
>> In terms of transition out, then the transition is

3013
03:31:25,870 --> 03:31:28,270
negotiated in the contract.

3014
03:31:28,990 --> 03:31:32,123
>> If I could, the existing vendor is the only one required,

3015
03:31:32,123 --> 03:31:38,123
if they bid -- >> Any negotiator would establish their transition

3016
03:31:38,690 --> 03:31:40,690
out terms.

3017
03:31:41,230 --> 03:31:43,230
>> Out for both.

3018
03:31:44,300 --> 03:31:47,630
>> Not the current out. >> Fair enough.

3019
03:31:51,378 --> 03:31:52,300
>> (Indistinct)

3020
03:31:52,300 --> 03:31:54,990
>> I think we hit a home run on that one.

3021
03:31:54,990 --> 03:31:56,456
>> Agreed.

3022
03:31:56,456 --> 03:31:57,190
G2.

3023
03:31:57,190 --> 03:32:00,190
I think we covered it.

3024
03:32:00,930 --> 03:32:02,750
>> This is the second part.

3025
03:32:02,750 --> 03:32:06,900
Should the proposals be required to provide examples

3026
03:32:06,900 --> 03:32:08,820
of transition out plans based on their experience

3027
03:32:08,820 --> 03:32:09,990
and similar contracts.

3028
03:32:09,990 --> 03:32:11,810
This is historical practice.

3029
03:32:11,810 --> 03:32:14,510
If they left and joined another city,

3030
03:32:14,510 --> 03:32:16,310
should they be required to provide us

3031
03:32:16,310 --> 03:32:18,710
how those transition worked?

3032
03:32:20,830 --> 03:32:25,300
>> I don't think that's a question I would ask them.

3033
03:32:25,300 --> 03:32:28,300
I agree with Commissioner good.

3034
03:32:28,616 --> 03:32:31,110
We should ask that of the city.

3035
03:32:31,110 --> 03:32:34,262
I don't see this as being a need.

3036
03:32:34,262 --> 03:32:36,150
Does anyone disagree?

3037
03:32:36,150 --> 03:32:36,870
Okay.

3038
03:32:36,870 --> 03:32:37,590
H1A.

3039
03:32:37,590 --> 03:32:39,990
We are almost there.

3040
03:32:40,910 --> 03:32:43,870
>> During the workshop, it was discussed that we should have

3041
03:32:43,870 --> 03:32:47,200
possible outside members of the evaluation committee.

3042
03:32:47,200 --> 03:32:49,686
This first question is, how many members

3043
03:32:49,686 --> 03:32:52,150
should serve on the evaluation committee?

3044
03:32:52,150 --> 03:32:54,230
Typically, retain five members.

3045
03:32:54,230 --> 03:32:57,770
There was discussion about asking possible outside members.

3046
03:32:57,770 --> 03:33:01,350
We're asking, one, for the total number of people that

3047
03:33:01,350 --> 03:33:03,656
should serve on the committee.

3048
03:33:03,656 --> 03:33:05,348
>> I'm going to say this.

3049
03:33:05,348 --> 03:33:06,142
It doesn't matter.

3050
03:33:06,142 --> 03:33:08,343
I think it should be an odd number.

3051
03:33:08,343 --> 03:33:11,234
It doesn't matter to me whether it is 5 or 7.

3052
03:33:11,234 --> 03:33:14,182
I don't like the idea of bringing people

3053
03:33:14,182 --> 03:33:16,950
in from outside the city.

3054
03:33:16,950 --> 03:33:21,150
I think that is not good form.

3055
03:33:22,452 --> 03:33:25,835
I would not be able to support that.

3056
03:33:25,835 --> 03:33:31,800
I does it matter to me whether it's 5 or 7.

3057
03:33:31,800 --> 03:33:35,880
I think six makes it complicated for math.

3058
03:33:36,700 --> 03:33:39,670
>> So that is just H1A.

3059
03:33:39,772 --> 03:33:41,936
That's just how many numbers.

3060
03:33:41,936 --> 03:33:44,300
Can we say how many numbers we'd like?

3061
03:33:44,300 --> 03:33:48,830
I agree it should be an odd number.

3062
03:33:52,870 --> 03:33:56,702
>> Mr. Gomes, we spoke about this earlier today.

3063
03:33:56,702 --> 03:34:02,702
Large bids like this , how many members have historically under

3064
03:34:03,670 --> 03:34:05,910
your leadership have served on committees?

3065
03:34:05,910 --> 03:34:08,910
What is the appropriate number?

3066
03:34:08,990 --> 03:34:11,950
>> The standard is five evaluators.

3067
03:34:11,950 --> 03:34:14,950
>> Why would we break from tradition and risk a bid

3068
03:34:14,950 --> 03:34:16,530
protest?

3069
03:34:16,530 --> 03:34:22,430
>> I think the question and the reason they put in the -- >> --

3070
03:34:22,430 --> 03:34:25,536
the commissioner, would be a break from tradition.

3071
03:34:25,536 --> 03:34:28,190
>> The reasons the options were given as alternatives was

3072
03:34:28,190 --> 03:34:31,210
because Commissioner good mentioned adding additional

3073
03:34:31,210 --> 03:34:34,110
people from outside the city.

3074
03:34:34,110 --> 03:34:38,523
>> Basically, H1A could be a blended discussion.

3075
03:34:38,523 --> 03:34:41,390
Because that was there, we had to determine

3076
03:34:41,390 --> 03:34:42,630
the number of members.

3077
03:34:42,630 --> 03:34:48,390
Then see if we're going to bring someone from the outside.

3078
03:34:48,390 --> 03:34:50,150
>> I'd say leave it at five.

3079
03:34:50,150 --> 03:34:56,150
If the decision falls to bring outside people, then seven.

3080
03:34:59,590 --> 03:35:04,390
>> You would take up H one b first.

3081
03:35:05,870 --> 03:35:07,462
>> Let's decide how many people to bring from the outside

3082
03:35:07,462 --> 03:35:09,382
and then decide on the number of.

3083
03:35:09,382 --> 03:35:10,590
>> I think it should be done.

3084
03:35:10,590 --> 03:35:12,504
I think it's bad form.

3085
03:35:12,504 --> 03:35:14,630
I can't support it.

3086
03:35:14,630 --> 03:35:17,350
>> I think two people from the outside.

3087
03:35:17,350 --> 03:35:19,510
>> I think we need some outside.

3088
03:35:19,510 --> 03:35:22,570
This has a long term contract.

3089
03:35:22,570 --> 03:35:25,790
It's got a lot of relationships.

3090
03:35:25,790 --> 03:35:27,750
>> For that reason I am good.

3091
03:35:27,750 --> 03:35:29,886
I think we need to define if you're

3092
03:35:29,886 --> 03:35:34,163
going to bring two from the outside and what they look like.

3093
03:35:34,163 --> 03:35:36,310
>> Would they want to get paid?

3094
03:35:36,310 --> 03:35:38,310
>> No.

3095
03:35:41,769 --> 03:35:42,394
>> (Indistinct)

3096
03:35:42,394 --> 03:35:45,700
>> So we're going to go out for volunteers.

3097
03:35:45,700 --> 03:35:48,700
>> Professional Curdy city to city.

3098
03:35:48,190 --> 03:35:52,190
>> I sat on municipals in Miami dade County,

3099
03:35:52,190 --> 03:35:56,560
when I was a comms director from the county.

3100
03:35:56,560 --> 03:36:00,856
>> In your day, I appreciate that one. (Laughs)

3101
03:36:03,570 --> 03:36:05,700
>> You're never in public relations.

3102
03:36:05,700 --> 03:36:06,990
>> That's why you never got a call.

3103
03:36:06,990 --> 03:36:09,700
>> You never got a call.

3104
03:36:09,700 --> 03:36:13,483
>> I'm good with commissioners good and Rodriguez on it.

3105
03:36:13,483 --> 03:36:18,283
>> I'm uncomfortable going outside for the mere purpose

3106
03:36:18,710 --> 03:36:23,310
of it was mentioned during the workshop of corn.

3107
03:36:23,310 --> 03:36:30,270
I have a general sense of what companies may or may not

3108
03:36:30,270 --> 03:36:34,622
be interested in bidding with the city of Pembroke Pines.

3109
03:36:34,622 --> 03:36:38,222
Those organizations have served on board.

3110
03:36:38,246 --> 03:36:42,446
There are some deep divides amongst industry.

3111
03:36:46,790 --> 03:36:52,483
We are not asking six jurors to say if someone's guilty

3112
03:36:52,483 --> 03:36:54,867
or not guilty in a peer review.

3113
03:36:54,867 --> 03:36:57,109
This is not a peer review.

3114
03:36:57,109 --> 03:37:01,620
I do not know how we avoid the potential conflict or the optics

3115
03:37:01,620 --> 03:37:03,390
of potential conflict.

3116
03:37:03,390 --> 03:37:05,230
If we go outside.

3117
03:37:05,230 --> 03:37:06,544
>> I agree with you.

3118
03:37:06,544 --> 03:37:10,150
How about if the other two are retired contractors?

3119
03:37:10,150 --> 03:37:12,950
>> They can have a bad experience with one potential

3120
03:37:12,950 --> 03:37:13,830
vendor.

3121
03:37:13,830 --> 03:37:18,675
Listen, I thought the idea and listening to the workshop,

3122
03:37:18,675 --> 03:37:20,687
I thought really hard about it.

3123
03:37:20,687 --> 03:37:25,441
I just did not know how you get past one.

3124
03:37:25,441 --> 03:37:28,310
How do we even put it out there?

3125
03:37:28,310 --> 03:37:33,110
The mere fact, I mean, we are looking

3126
03:37:33,766 --> 03:37:40,502
for people who just brings a lack of control of a process.

3127
03:37:40,502 --> 03:37:42,890
It breaks us from nontraditional.

3128
03:37:42,890 --> 03:37:48,290
So Mr. Gomes, and anticipating this as a possibility,

3129
03:37:51,690 --> 03:37:53,683
and we spoke about this.

3130
03:37:53,683 --> 03:37:58,310
Have we ever gone outside on the committee for someone --

3131
03:37:58,310 --> 03:38:02,260
has an individual ever served on a committee who never worked

3132
03:38:02,260 --> 03:38:03,910
here before?

3133
03:38:03,910 --> 03:38:06,310
>> Not in my time.

3134
03:38:06,430 --> 03:38:08,160
>> Or mine.

3135
03:38:08,160 --> 03:38:11,230
>> It happens all the time in government.

3136
03:38:11,230 --> 03:38:13,480
>> It happens all the time, and number two,

3137
03:38:13,480 --> 03:38:15,852
I'm going to flip it on its head.

3138
03:38:15,852 --> 03:38:18,683
I'm going to say that we've had the same vendor for 17 years.

3139
03:38:18,683 --> 03:38:21,510
And we haven't changed your evaluation process.

3140
03:38:21,510 --> 03:38:22,934
Optics matter.

3141
03:38:22,934 --> 03:38:27,734
From my perspective, I do think it's not

3142
03:38:27,776 --> 03:38:30,250
unusual to have someone from the outside.

3143
03:38:30,250 --> 03:38:32,763
Like I said, I sat on dozens of them

3144
03:38:32,763 --> 03:38:34,230
in Dade County for municipalities.

3145
03:38:34,230 --> 03:38:37,750
Doral had me come in to interview candidates

3146
03:38:37,750 --> 03:38:39,950
for their chief communications officer.

3147
03:38:39,950 --> 03:38:41,486
City of Miami.

3148
03:38:41,486 --> 03:38:41,986
Etc..

3149
03:38:41,986 --> 03:38:46,254
Just because we haven't done it, doesn't mean it's bad form.

3150
03:38:46,254 --> 03:38:48,254
It's routine.

3151
03:38:48,910 --> 03:38:54,150
>> Isn't there cities and a lot of cities have internal bidding

3152
03:38:54,150 --> 03:38:54,990
departments.

3153
03:38:54,990 --> 03:38:59,350
So not having worked with any of the vendors at some point.

3154
03:38:59,350 --> 03:39:05,350
>> And I stand for the record, commissioners the follow up

3155
03:39:05,390 --> 03:39:08,390
questions to deal with credentials.

3156
03:39:08,480 --> 03:39:11,798
When this was proposed, we specifically talked about Boral

3157
03:39:11,798 --> 03:39:13,567
and we talked about other things.

3158
03:39:13,567 --> 03:39:15,150
Identifying which credentials is going

3159
03:39:15,150 --> 03:39:18,950
to be a very challenging thing and we bring this up

3160
03:39:18,950 --> 03:39:19,943
only because this is a very small

3161
03:39:19,943 --> 03:39:22,260
and the building department is a very small world.

3162
03:39:22,260 --> 03:39:24,614
It can't be smaller than public relations.

3163
03:39:24,614 --> 03:39:26,434
That's all I'm gonna say.

3164
03:39:26,434 --> 03:39:27,543
They jump ships.

3165
03:39:27,543 --> 03:39:32,870
When we're out to bid in 2009, there was three.

3166
03:39:32,870 --> 03:39:35,750
>> I've been on 90% of what you proposed on.

3167
03:39:35,750 --> 03:39:38,430
>> I think it's going to be difficult.

3168
03:39:38,430 --> 03:39:42,350
>> So I'm going to ask, can we get around seven members and two

3169
03:39:42,350 --> 03:39:44,350
from the outside?

3170
03:39:44,350 --> 03:39:45,410
>> Yes.

3171
03:39:45,410 --> 03:39:46,683
>> I agree.

3172
03:39:46,683 --> 03:39:50,103
>> I thought you meant five total members.

3173
03:39:50,103 --> 03:39:51,910
Seven.

3174
03:39:51,910 --> 03:39:55,430
>> Seven, with two of them from the outside.

3175
03:39:55,430 --> 03:39:57,310
>> Nine is too many.

3176
03:39:57,310 --> 03:40:00,470
>> Seven members with two from the outside.

3177
03:40:00,470 --> 03:40:02,470
Are we good?

3178
03:40:02,520 --> 03:40:05,652
I am channeling my doctor Phil.

3179
03:40:06,790 --> 03:40:08,790
>> Mayor for clarity.

3180
03:40:11,918 --> 03:40:14,830
Seven and two is 9 or 7 total?

3181
03:40:14,830 --> 03:40:17,790
>> Two of them are from the outside.

3182
03:40:17,790 --> 03:40:21,390
>> Mayor, how do we identify credentials?

3183
03:40:22,790 --> 03:40:25,470
Staff would want to avoid anybody

3184
03:40:25,470 --> 03:40:28,910
avoid working in the building department world.

3185
03:40:28,910 --> 03:40:31,610
Outside of those to try to avoid conflicts that we just

3186
03:40:31,610 --> 03:40:33,830
can't see on a regular.

3187
03:40:33,830 --> 03:40:35,830
>> Attend lookback period.

3188
03:40:36,510 --> 03:40:38,190
>> Do the best you can.

3189
03:40:38,190 --> 03:40:39,290
The City Commission.

3190
03:40:39,290 --> 03:40:41,963
Work with attorney and figure it out.

3191
03:40:41,963 --> 03:40:44,963
>> We believe in you, Mike.

3192
03:40:45,230 --> 03:40:47,630
>> I appreciate the confidence.

3193
03:40:48,110 --> 03:40:50,110
>> H4.

3194
03:40:51,390 --> 03:40:53,390
>> H3 and h4.

3195
03:40:54,150 --> 03:40:57,940
>> May I say are you comfortable with the direction given

3196
03:40:57,940 --> 03:40:59,760
the staff.

3197
03:40:59,760 --> 03:41:01,760
Ultimately double

3198
03:41:02,710 --> 03:41:04,700
>> I'm listening.

3199
03:41:04,700 --> 03:41:06,750
>> Ultimately, the selection process for the two outside is

3200
03:41:06,750 --> 03:41:08,990
going to be selected by OMA.

3201
03:41:08,990 --> 03:41:11,700
Mr. Gomes, City manager.

3202
03:41:11,700 --> 03:41:16,150
Who is doing the selection process of the outside?

3203
03:41:16,150 --> 03:41:18,300
>> May I respond?

3204
03:41:18,300 --> 03:41:20,590
>> Are you asking who would select the two outside that

3205
03:41:20,590 --> 03:41:22,910
would be joined by the insiders?

3206
03:41:22,910 --> 03:41:24,350
>> Yes.

3207
03:41:24,350 --> 03:41:26,203
>> The manager.

3208
03:41:26,203 --> 03:41:27,990
>> Same manager.

3209
03:41:27,990 --> 03:41:30,510
>> Same manager have to validate the appointment.

3210
03:41:30,510 --> 03:41:33,256
Obviously we have some legal role

3211
03:41:33,256 --> 03:41:35,945
in the context of who's hiring.

3212
03:41:35,945 --> 03:41:38,403
>> Looking for people who may want to serve in the capacity

3213
03:41:38,403 --> 03:41:39,672
of a selection committee.

3214
03:41:39,672 --> 03:41:44,450
How do you go about doing that, from a legal standpoint?

3215
03:41:44,450 --> 03:41:46,850
>> From a legal standpoint.

3216
03:41:47,700 --> 03:41:51,854
From a legal standpoint, I'm asking the city attorney,

3217
03:41:51,854 --> 03:41:54,590
how do we go about doing that?

3218
03:41:54,590 --> 03:41:57,427
>> Manager through the hospices of those that work within

3219
03:41:57,427 --> 03:41:59,100
the department of that administration.

3220
03:41:59,100 --> 03:42:01,270
Can put out some form of document

3221
03:42:01,270 --> 03:42:04,300
soliciting the availability of the parties and persons that

3222
03:42:04,300 --> 03:42:06,210
would be available to serve in this capacity.

3223
03:42:06,210 --> 03:42:09,370
As volunteers, not a paid position.

3224
03:42:09,370 --> 03:42:10,195
>> All right.

3225
03:42:10,195 --> 03:42:11,990
Okay.

3226
03:42:11,990 --> 03:42:15,656
>> Mayor, to the extent possible to make sure that the method

3227
03:42:15,656 --> 03:42:20,456
of requesting assistance, doesn't rarely cause a conflict.

3228
03:42:21,870 --> 03:42:26,910
>> If, God forbid, we're unable to fill or have any interest

3229
03:42:26,910 --> 03:42:29,910
in that role, what happens?

3230
03:42:31,296 --> 03:42:32,576
>> You go back to five.

3231
03:42:32,576 --> 03:42:34,442
That's h4.

3232
03:42:34,442 --> 03:42:36,150
>> Is that a consensus of the commission,

3233
03:42:36,150 --> 03:42:38,560
if the positions can't be filled?

3234
03:42:38,560 --> 03:42:40,960
Is it default back?

3235
03:42:41,700 --> 03:42:42,990
>> That's the question h4.

3236
03:42:42,990 --> 03:42:44,350
That was my response.

3237
03:42:44,350 --> 03:42:48,150
If you can't find these other two people, you go back to five.

3238
03:42:48,150 --> 03:42:50,550
You move it along.

3239
03:42:50,790 --> 03:42:53,790
>> I can live with that.

3240
03:42:56,908 --> 03:42:58,650
>> On the document, I disagree.

3241
03:42:58,650 --> 03:43:01,262
>> If you can't find them, you move on.

3242
03:43:01,262 --> 03:43:03,662
Any problem with that?

3243
03:43:03,910 --> 03:43:05,210
>> I disagree.

3244
03:43:05,210 --> 03:43:07,610
You guys can continue.

3245
03:43:07,870 --> 03:43:10,270
>> H four is done.

3246
03:43:10,445 --> 03:43:11,475
I one.

3247
03:43:11,475 --> 03:43:13,254
What communication restrictions should

3248
03:43:13,254 --> 03:43:15,870
apply to the members of the city Commission?

3249
03:43:15,870 --> 03:43:17,140
I don't know why this is in here?

3250
03:43:17,140 --> 03:43:19,710
We already have an ordinance.

3251
03:43:19,710 --> 03:43:22,367
>> I asked for a code of silence.

3252
03:43:22,367 --> 03:43:24,480
I asked for it in the workshop.

3253
03:43:24,480 --> 03:43:27,296
I know there's discussion and there wasn't much favorability.

3254
03:43:27,296 --> 03:43:29,990
There wasn't much support for it.

3255
03:43:29,990 --> 03:43:33,230
>> I believe the code of silence is a code of ignorance.

3256
03:43:33,230 --> 03:43:36,350
I want to hear from everybody.

3257
03:43:36,350 --> 03:43:39,890
>> Mayor, I presume that you're not calling me ignorant.

3258
03:43:39,890 --> 03:43:41,223
>> I'm not calling you ignorant.

3259
03:43:41,223 --> 03:43:44,627
I'm saying a cone of silence is a code of ignorance.

3260
03:43:44,627 --> 03:43:47,803
I want the public to be able to talk to us.

3261
03:43:47,803 --> 03:43:49,613
We do not make this decision.

3262
03:43:49,613 --> 03:43:52,350
We may have to review on appeal.

3263
03:43:52,350 --> 03:43:53,630
>> That's fine.

3264
03:43:53,630 --> 03:43:56,330
>> In that case, I want to be informed.

3265
03:43:56,330 --> 03:43:58,700
>> The code of silence would end at the point that the selection

3266
03:43:58,700 --> 03:44:00,700
committee was done.

3267
03:44:01,210 --> 03:44:03,550
>> I believe there's consensus.

3268
03:44:03,550 --> 03:44:08,292
>> I believe now and when the committee is finished.

3269
03:44:08,292 --> 03:44:08,803
[Cross-talk]

3270
03:44:08,803 --> 03:44:10,470
>> What about the committee is finished.

3271
03:44:10,470 --> 03:44:12,670
I want to know about it.

3272
03:44:12,670 --> 03:44:14,830
>> Potential bid.

3273
03:44:14,830 --> 03:44:16,133
>> I'm sorry come on I agree with you.

3274
03:44:16,133 --> 03:44:17,889
It's not necessary.

3275
03:44:17,889 --> 03:44:19,222
I don't even think it's ethical.

3276
03:44:19,222 --> 03:44:22,110
We don't make this decision.

3277
03:44:22,110 --> 03:44:24,190
>> Let's ask the city attorney's.

3278
03:44:24,190 --> 03:44:25,704
>> It would be ethical.

3279
03:44:25,704 --> 03:44:27,416
It's a question.

3280
03:44:27,416 --> 03:44:30,350
>> Why don't we delegate the whole thing to staff.

3281
03:44:30,350 --> 03:44:34,150
>> City attorney, the mayor's questioning double city

3282
03:44:34,150 --> 03:44:36,150
attorney.

3283
03:44:37,230 --> 03:44:39,700
>>, sir.

3284
03:44:39,700 --> 03:44:41,990
>> Was there a birthday party over there?

3285
03:44:41,990 --> 03:44:43,990
>> They're just asking questions.

3286
03:44:43,990 --> 03:44:45,310
>> I'll be honest with you.

3287
03:44:45,310 --> 03:44:46,830
This item is moot.

3288
03:44:46,830 --> 03:44:50,830
It's already been decided and our purchasing ordinance.

3289
03:44:50,830 --> 03:44:52,974
It's already been decided.

3290
03:44:52,974 --> 03:44:57,156
The code of silence issue was debated here and it was decided.

3291
03:44:57,156 --> 03:44:59,656
The fact that it's even here.

3292
03:44:59,656 --> 03:45:03,350
>> It's here because it was a comment that I made.

3293
03:45:03,350 --> 03:45:04,854
At the meeting.

3294
03:45:04,854 --> 03:45:06,390
That's why it's here.

3295
03:45:06,390 --> 03:45:09,790
Everything that is on here because it was input from each

3296
03:45:09,790 --> 03:45:11,563
and every one of us.

3297
03:45:11,563 --> 03:45:13,563
>> I understand that.

3298
03:45:13,750 --> 03:45:16,750
>> You don't have to support.

3299
03:45:17,343 --> 03:45:17,843
[Cross-talk]

3300
03:45:17,843 --> 03:45:21,470
>> I'm not going to change the procurement ordinance for just

3301
03:45:21,470 --> 03:45:23,470
this one solicitation.

3302
03:45:24,494 --> 03:45:28,940
We have a procurement ordinance that

3303
03:45:28,430 --> 03:45:30,350
already deals with this issue.

3304
03:45:30,350 --> 03:45:33,350
I think it is moot.

3305
03:45:33,830 --> 03:45:36,523
>> We have a consensus that it needs to move on.

3306
03:45:36,523 --> 03:45:38,270
>> The consensus to move on.

3307
03:45:38,270 --> 03:45:39,990
Item two.

3308
03:45:39,990 --> 03:45:41,750
>> Same item.

3309
03:45:41,750 --> 03:45:43,830
>> If the commission volunteers.

3310
03:45:43,830 --> 03:45:44,270
That's done.

3311
03:45:44,270 --> 03:45:45,870
You've got all your guidance?

3312
03:45:45,870 --> 03:45:51,300
We are finally finished with the buildings department RF.

3313
03:45:51,300 --> 03:45:53,316
>> When can we expect that.

3314
03:45:53,316 --> 03:45:53,816
>> Yes.

3315
03:45:53,816 --> 03:45:56,710
We're going to have a five minute recess.

3316
03:45:56,710 --> 03:45:59,300
>> We haven't voted on it.

3317
03:45:59,300 --> 03:46:01,990
>> This is the consensus of the document.

3318
03:46:01,990 --> 03:46:04,136
>> We're bringing back the item.

3319
03:46:04,136 --> 03:46:06,536
>> When will that happen?

3320
03:46:07,270 --> 03:46:09,430
>> Can we address that?

3321
03:46:09,430 --> 03:46:11,160
>> We're done.

3322
03:46:11,160 --> 03:46:14,150
>> We'll come back to us with an RFP.

3323
03:46:14,150 --> 03:46:19,497
>> Can we draft adopt >> We do not have to vote on anything.

3324
03:46:19,497 --> 03:46:22,270
They're going to come back to us with an RFP.

3325
03:46:22,270 --> 03:46:24,110
They've now been told.

3326
03:46:24,110 --> 03:46:26,910
Bamba you want the RFP.

3327
03:46:26,910 --> 03:46:28,723
>> I don't need it back.

3328
03:46:28,723 --> 03:46:31,790
>> We need approve and draft and adopt tonight.

3329
03:46:31,790 --> 03:46:34,138
>> What do you want to do?

3330
03:46:34,138 --> 03:46:36,430
>> I'd like to follow the agenda with the agenda reads.

3331
03:46:36,430 --> 03:46:40,150
The discussion of possible action action requires a motion.

3332
03:46:40,150 --> 03:46:44,500
>> I move that we go out to bid as amended,

3333
03:46:44,500 --> 03:46:47,500
based on our discussion tonight.

3334
03:46:47,710 --> 03:46:49,790
>> Is there a second?

3335
03:46:49,790 --> 03:46:51,950
>> That means we're putting it out.

3336
03:46:51,950 --> 03:46:54,160
>> It would have to second.

3337
03:46:54,160 --> 03:46:55,397
>> Hold on one second.

3338
03:46:55,397 --> 03:46:57,930
We have to wait for the vice mayor.

3339
03:46:57,930 --> 03:46:59,950
>> I don't want it to come back on the 16th.

3340
03:46:59,950 --> 03:47:01,558
I want it to go out.

3341
03:47:01,558 --> 03:47:06,958
We've got eight >> We have a motion and a >>

3342
03:47:07,554 --> 03:47:08,596
The timeline will change.

3343
03:47:08,596 --> 03:47:12,910
The timeline didn't think that we were doing it.

3344
03:47:12,910 --> 03:47:15,550
>> There's a motion before and a second to approve what we just

3345
03:47:15,550 --> 03:47:16,883
did.

3346
03:47:16,883 --> 03:47:20,483
>> My question is, this timeline change.

3347
03:47:20,710 --> 03:47:22,270
>> No.

3348
03:47:22,270 --> 03:47:24,670
>> Are we good and ready?

3349
03:47:24,670 --> 03:47:27,630
>> It'll come all the way back to us in March still?

3350
03:47:27,630 --> 03:47:28,686
>> Yes.

3351
03:47:28,686 --> 03:47:30,686
This is anticipated.

3352
03:47:30,910 --> 03:47:33,156
Obviously there are certain items we have to evaluate

3353
03:47:33,156 --> 03:47:35,300
and we have to do reference checks.

3354
03:47:35,300 --> 03:47:38,850
Might be different things that affect that timeline.

3355
03:47:38,850 --> 03:47:41,250
Estimated timeline in March.

3356
03:47:41,570 --> 03:47:43,164
>> All in favor say aye.

3357
03:47:43,164 --> 03:47:44,160
Any opposed?

3358
03:47:44,160 --> 03:47:46,160
It passes unanimously.

3359
03:47:51,670 --> 03:47:57,670
We now have reports of the leak and report representatives.

3360
03:47:58,150 --> 03:47:59,798
>> Today we had our director's meeting.

3361
03:47:59,798 --> 03:48:02,160
A couple things were discussed.

3362
03:48:02,160 --> 03:48:05,160
League of Cities MPO representatives.

3363
03:48:09,119 --> 03:48:11,577
Commissioner Rodriguez: Today we have the directors leading

3364
03:48:11,577 --> 03:48:14,441
and a couple things were discussed.

3365
03:48:14,441 --> 03:48:18,641
There's an amendment three campaign going on.

3366
03:48:18,721 --> 03:48:21,441
I will share the link with you guys.

3367
03:48:21,441 --> 03:48:25,431
I believe the cities have done so.

3368
03:48:25,431 --> 03:48:29,310
They have general educational information online

3369
03:48:30,121 --> 03:48:33,401
that is more broad than what was brought to us regarding

3370
03:48:33,401 --> 03:48:35,100
amendment three.

3371
03:48:35,100 --> 03:48:38,100
Some specific stats and statistics.

3372
03:48:39,571 --> 03:48:42,765
They went ahead and provided for each individual city.

3373
03:48:42,765 --> 03:48:45,451
If you guys would like to look at the Pembroke Pines

3374
03:48:45,451 --> 03:48:48,881
document they put together, it was really good.

3375
03:48:48,881 --> 03:48:51,761
I would like to ask who provided the information to them

3376
03:48:51,761 --> 03:48:57,481
for the League of Cities or did they take it from our website?

3377
03:48:57,481 --> 03:48:59,441
Mayor Castillo: I'm not sure.

3378
03:48:59,441 --> 03:49:02,242
Commissioner Rodriguez: There was a document League

3379
03:49:02,242 --> 03:49:04,642
of Cities put together.

3380
03:49:08,961 --> 03:49:13,761
Jonathan is saying it was prior to BCCMA

3381
03:49:15,257 --> 03:49:19,429
and my assumption is we were able to look

3382
03:49:19,429 --> 03:49:21,572
at it and fact check.

3383
03:49:21,572 --> 03:49:25,185
I saw a number on there and I wasn't too sure.

3384
03:49:25,185 --> 03:49:28,185
Our finance department checked it.

3385
03:49:28,577 --> 03:49:33,890
I think it is a good tool for us to put out.

3386
03:49:33,890 --> 03:49:36,257
They also checked with their legal counsel, which

3387
03:49:36,257 --> 03:49:41,621
is our legal counsel, regarding whether it is factual

3388
03:49:41,621 --> 03:49:46,421
or has any promotion of yes or no.

3389
03:49:49,254 --> 03:49:51,781
That is a factual document only.

3390
03:49:51,781 --> 03:49:54,441
It is something that could guide us come especially when we

3391
03:49:54,441 --> 03:49:57,441
are trying not to advocate.

3392
03:49:58,321 --> 03:50:03,698
The next general meeting is in two weeks, I think.

3393
03:50:03,698 --> 03:50:06,391
I have to check the calendar.

3394
03:50:06,391 --> 03:50:11,191
I may or may not be in attendance.

3395
03:50:11,961 --> 03:50:14,667
The next one is the general meeting.

3396
03:50:14,667 --> 03:50:18,481
I think we are all invited to go.

3397
03:50:18,481 --> 03:50:22,161
Afterwards, October will be in Coral Springs.

3398
03:50:22,161 --> 03:50:25,161
I forgot the date. --

3399
03:51:01,769 --> 03:51:07,169
Mayor Castillo: Do you have a report city manager?

3400
03:51:07,208 --> 03:51:10,208
City Manager Dodge: I don't.

3401
03:51:13,647 --> 03:51:17,168
Commissioner Schwartz: I will be as brief as possible.

3402
03:51:17,168 --> 03:51:22,368
Give me one moment so I can pull it up.

3403
03:51:22,368 --> 03:51:28,871
There's been a lot of change in our country, let alone our state

3404
03:51:28,871 --> 03:51:35,688
and city, since I placed the item on the agenda a week ago,

3405
03:51:35,688 --> 03:51:36,568
Tuesday.

3406
03:51:36,568 --> 03:51:42,184
I have a couple of things I want to put in context.

3407
03:51:42,184 --> 03:51:45,184
I support our police department.

3408
03:51:47,888 --> 03:51:51,712
I want to make sure they have legitimate and lawful tools

3409
03:51:51,712 --> 03:51:53,438
to protect the community.

3410
03:51:53,438 --> 03:51:57,773
By supporting law enforcement and protecting privacy rights

3411
03:51:57,773 --> 03:52:01,880
of the public, we as a commission

3412
03:52:01,880 --> 03:52:05,448
are responsible to do this and support police.

3413
03:52:05,448 --> 03:52:09,648
When information on the public gets collected,

3414
03:52:09,678 --> 03:52:11,668
we have a responsibility to understand

3415
03:52:11,668 --> 03:52:14,352
what happens to the information after it's collected.

3416
03:52:14,352 --> 03:52:18,168
How long has it been retained, who searched,

3417
03:52:18,168 --> 03:52:24,168
and what happens with it is shared outside the police

3418
03:52:27,378 --> 03:52:27,878
department.

3419
03:52:27,878 --> 03:52:30,268
What happens to this information?

3420
03:52:30,268 --> 03:52:34,468
These are legitimate questions of government oversight.

3421
03:52:34,548 --> 03:52:38,748
My item doesn't allege the police department

3422
03:52:39,272 --> 03:52:42,800
or anyone else has violated the law.

3423
03:52:42,800 --> 03:52:46,208
The item in context and pretext access

3424
03:52:48,744 --> 03:52:54,744
to examine our policies so that the Commission and public

3425
03:52:56,348 --> 03:52:58,800
understand where we stand.

3426
03:52:58,800 --> 03:53:01,388
Since I placed the item on the agenda,

3427
03:53:01,388 --> 03:53:05,588
circumstances surrounding the city's license plate reader

3428
03:53:06,161 --> 03:53:08,161
program have changed.

3429
03:53:15,108 --> 03:53:21,108
The police department has said that they suspended the license

3430
03:53:21,378 --> 03:53:22,768
plate reader program.

3431
03:53:22,768 --> 03:53:25,478
That does not eliminate the need for the item before us tonight.

3432
03:53:25,478 --> 03:53:28,768
In several respects, it makes questions contained

3433
03:53:28,768 --> 03:53:30,488
in the item more important.

3434
03:53:30,488 --> 03:53:33,168
Suspending the operation doesn't tell

3435
03:53:33,168 --> 03:53:35,848
the commission what happens to the information already

3436
03:53:35,848 --> 03:53:36,493
collected.

3437
03:53:36,493 --> 03:53:37,868
It doesn't tell us who previously

3438
03:53:37,868 --> 03:53:39,368
had access to information.

3439
03:53:39,368 --> 03:53:44,768
It doesn't tell us information generated by our cameras

3440
03:53:46,158 --> 03:53:49,880
were accessed by outside entities.

3441
03:53:49,880 --> 03:53:51,398
It doesn't say what information was shared

3442
03:53:51,398 --> 03:53:53,948
and what information remains in existence.

3443
03:53:53,948 --> 03:53:56,888
It doesn't tell us what information may have already

3444
03:53:56,888 --> 03:54:00,133
been analyzed or derived from the original information.

3445
03:54:00,133 --> 03:54:02,208
It doesn't tell us what contractual rights

3446
03:54:02,208 --> 03:54:05,688
or obligations continue during this suspension process.

3447
03:54:05,688 --> 03:54:08,328
A suspension of the program doesn't necessarily

3448
03:54:08,328 --> 03:54:10,328
terminate the contract.

3449
03:54:10,968 --> 03:54:12,968
Those questions remain.

3450
03:54:13,708 --> 03:54:18,768
With that come a discussion of possible action regarding

3451
03:54:18,768 --> 03:54:22,728
retention of data collected through the city's automated

3452
03:54:22,728 --> 03:54:27,708
license plate recognition system and the city's agreements with

3453
03:54:27,708 --> 03:54:35,508
Flock Safety -- the purpose of the item is to direct the city

3454
03:54:35,688 --> 03:54:39,308
attorney come up with the city manager and chief of police,

3455
03:54:39,308 --> 03:54:43,668
to conduct a comprehensive review of the city's LPR program

3456
03:54:43,668 --> 03:54:46,598
and the city's agreement with the flock group.

3457
03:54:46,598 --> 03:54:50,328
The review should address collection, ownership, access,

3458
03:54:50,328 --> 03:54:53,928
retention, disclosure, sharing, artificial intelligence, machine

3459
03:54:56,741 --> 03:54:59,408
learning use, commercial use, and ultimate disposition

3460
03:54:59,408 --> 03:55:02,958
of information generated through the city's license plate reader

3461
03:55:02,958 --> 03:55:03,928
system.

3462
03:55:03,928 --> 03:55:08,740
Let me explain why the review remains necessary --

3463
03:55:08,740 --> 03:55:11,683
as a part of my review, I requested

3464
03:55:11,683 --> 03:55:16,408
the department's general orders governing our license plate

3465
03:55:16,408 --> 03:55:17,648
reader system.

3466
03:55:17,648 --> 03:55:22,928
The city's own policy tells us what the technology collects.

3467
03:55:22,928 --> 03:55:25,728
The system takes a digital photograph

3468
03:55:25,728 --> 03:55:30,752
of vehicles of license plates entering its field of view.

3469
03:55:30,752 --> 03:55:33,808
Information is timestamped in GPS code.

3470
03:55:33,808 --> 03:55:36,851
Stored information can include an image of the vehicle

3471
03:55:36,851 --> 03:55:39,708
and close up image of the license plate, GPS location

3472
03:55:39,708 --> 03:55:43,824
and time and date of the scan.

3473
03:55:43,824 --> 03:55:46,199
There are legitimate reasons for the police department

3474
03:55:46,199 --> 03:55:47,818
to use the technology.

3475
03:55:47,818 --> 03:55:52,618
The general order explains it assists law enforcement

3476
03:55:54,381 --> 03:55:57,648
in locating missing persons, locating stolen vehicles,

3477
03:55:57,648 --> 03:56:01,800
identifying wanted vehicles, and assisting investigations

3478
03:56:01,800 --> 03:56:03,408
involving vehicles of interest.

3479
03:56:03,453 --> 03:56:06,548
Those are legitimate law enforcement purposes.

3480
03:56:06,548 --> 03:56:09,541
But our police department recognizes

3481
03:56:09,541 --> 03:56:13,248
that access to this information requires limitations.

3482
03:56:13,248 --> 03:56:17,848
Four years, general order has restricted authorized database

3483
03:56:17,848 --> 03:56:20,360
searches for law enforcement purposes.

3484
03:56:20,360 --> 03:56:22,392
I believe this is appropriate.

3485
03:56:22,392 --> 03:56:25,948
That led me to another question --

3486
03:56:25,948 --> 03:56:29,648
if we are restrict what our own employees can do with

3487
03:56:29,648 --> 03:56:32,388
the information, what restrictions apply

3488
03:56:32,388 --> 03:56:35,634
to the corporation providing technology and handling

3489
03:56:35,634 --> 03:56:38,634
information generated through the system?

3490
03:56:38,718 --> 03:56:41,718
That brought me to the agreement with Flock Safety

3491
03:56:41,718 --> 03:56:43,712
the agreement provides city retains

3492
03:56:43,712 --> 03:56:47,880
ownership of the data and flock says that they do not

3493
03:56:47,880 --> 03:56:49,208
own or resell the data.

3494
03:56:49,208 --> 03:56:51,341
But the agreement contains another provision

3495
03:56:51,341 --> 03:56:55,131
that requires careful city review, City Attorney.

3496
03:56:55,131 --> 03:56:56,548
The agreement separately addresses

3497
03:56:56,548 --> 03:56:58,838
what it calls anonymized data.

3498
03:56:58,838 --> 03:57:04,238
Under that, flock retains rights to receive and use

3499
03:57:04,278 --> 03:57:09,678
analyzed information from these are worldwide and Royalty free.

3500
03:57:17,288 --> 03:57:20,888
This includes training machine learning algorithms

3501
03:57:22,128 --> 03:57:28,128
and improving the Technology I don't know if this violates

3502
03:57:32,144 --> 03:57:33,548
the provision of the law.

3503
03:57:33,548 --> 03:57:37,608
That's why I want the city attorney to review this.

3504
03:57:37,608 --> 03:57:41,904
I want to know what what this means for Pembroke Pines.

3505
03:57:41,904 --> 03:57:45,448
I want to know what occurs in the process of converting

3506
03:57:45,448 --> 03:57:47,728
information, collecting to our system,

3507
03:57:47,728 --> 03:57:49,988
including the anonymized information.

3508
03:57:49,988 --> 03:57:52,760
I want to know what use and distribute means.

3509
03:57:52,760 --> 03:57:55,674
I want to know whether the information derived by the city

3510
03:57:55,674 --> 03:57:58,878
system can be used to train machine learning technology

3511
03:57:58,878 --> 03:58:01,278
or develop other products.

3512
03:58:01,361 --> 03:58:05,528
Most importantly, I want to know whether Florida law permits

3513
03:58:05,528 --> 03:58:09,648
these activities and whether our contract adequately

3514
03:58:09,648 --> 03:58:11,553
protects the public.

3515
03:58:11,553 --> 03:58:14,553
There's another important distinction --

3516
03:58:15,324 --> 03:58:18,248
I previously asked if the police department received

3517
03:58:18,248 --> 03:58:20,693
public records requests for the information collected

3518
03:58:20,693 --> 03:58:22,320
from flock cameras.

3519
03:58:22,320 --> 03:58:28,608
I was advised that no public records request for flock data

3520
03:58:28,608 --> 03:58:31,608
from our cameras were made.

3521
03:58:32,888 --> 03:58:36,218
There has been no public record request whatsoever.

3522
03:58:36,218 --> 03:58:39,888
I appreciate the information the police department provided.

3523
03:58:39,888 --> 03:58:45,888
However, public records requests are only part of the issue.

3524
03:58:45,888 --> 03:58:48,888
My question is considerably broader.

3525
03:58:49,608 --> 03:58:55,800
This is why I'm asking about access, sharing dissemination

3526
03:58:56,210 --> 03:58:59,543
outside agency access and vendor access.

3527
03:58:59,543 --> 03:59:04,343
This commission needs to have these questions answered

3528
03:59:08,168 --> 03:59:12,896
because here's the thing that made me most uncomfortable --

3529
03:59:12,896 --> 03:59:17,811
we have a general order that was provided two days after I placed

3530
03:59:17,811 --> 03:59:20,401
the item on the agenda.

3531
03:59:20,401 --> 03:59:24,100
I believe this was last Tuesday.

3532
03:59:25,880 --> 03:59:29,888
I received the general order on the 27th.

3533
03:59:29,914 --> 03:59:35,288
The general order we currently have that includes information

3534
03:59:35,288 --> 03:59:41,888
disseminated to the public in social media and how we have

3535
03:59:43,898 --> 03:59:46,898
auditing programs in place --

3536
03:59:47,912 --> 03:59:51,393
and what's answered in the memo --

3537
03:59:51,393 --> 03:59:56,208
has been in effect since the 26th of August, 2026.

3538
03:59:56,208 --> 03:59:58,208
That's last week.

3539
03:59:58,800 --> 04:00:03,120
Prior to that, after receiving a general order,

3540
04:00:03,120 --> 04:00:05,120
I asked for revisions.

3541
04:00:05,120 --> 04:00:08,272
I asked for all revisions regarding Lpr's.

3542
04:00:08,272 --> 04:00:11,368
I think the police department and clerk's office for providing

3543
04:00:11,368 --> 04:00:13,368
this information. --

3544
04:00:14,976 --> 04:00:17,198
I thank the police department and clerk's office

3545
04:00:17,198 --> 04:00:18,808
for this information.

3546
04:00:18,808 --> 04:00:22,136
The general order did not include auditing

3547
04:00:22,136 --> 04:00:28,712
and there was no requirement for the Police Department to do it.

3548
04:00:28,712 --> 04:00:31,243
This requires vigilant solutions and flock safety

3549
04:00:31,243 --> 04:00:35,443
for maintaining LPR safety devices the May 2024

3550
04:00:35,960 --> 04:00:38,688
general Order ended with a section addressing database

3551
04:00:38,688 --> 04:00:40,668
and records retention.

3552
04:00:40,668 --> 04:00:45,408
There was no separate section establishing quarterly LPR

3553
04:00:45,408 --> 04:00:47,408
audits.

3554
04:00:47,928 --> 04:00:53,441
This revision included on the 26th of August is when I

3555
04:00:53,441 --> 04:00:53,941
welcomed.

3556
04:00:53,941 --> 04:00:55,668
I think it's a great thing.

3557
04:00:55,668 --> 04:01:00,888
If I asked our police chief what a general order is,

3558
04:01:00,888 --> 04:01:04,408
he would most likely say it is the policy of the department.

3559
04:01:04,408 --> 04:01:08,268
If I asked whether all officers follow general orders

3560
04:01:08,268 --> 04:01:14,136
to the letter of the law -- have we ever had a officer not follow

3561
04:01:14,136 --> 04:01:17,736
a general order under his command?

3562
04:01:17,905 --> 04:01:21,472
We don't have the tools or any evidence

3563
04:01:21,472 --> 04:01:26,872
that audits have been conducted, specifically on LPR s.

3564
04:01:27,785 --> 04:01:29,868
There are other general orders that may or may not

3565
04:01:29,868 --> 04:01:31,868
have been followed.

3566
04:01:33,240 --> 04:01:38,424
I'm not saying or insinuating that there's been misuse.

3567
04:01:41,888 --> 04:01:47,848
But the reason why this entire discussion has come up

3568
04:01:47,848 --> 04:01:50,848
nationally is because Pembroke itself

3569
04:01:51,400 --> 04:01:55,240
has failed to protect our constitutional rights.

3570
04:01:55,658 --> 04:01:59,260
The governor took action, sheriffs took action,

3571
04:01:59,260 --> 04:02:02,260
and the chief took action.

3572
04:02:04,928 --> 04:02:08,988
Even though the cameras can save kids

3573
04:02:08,988 --> 04:02:12,588
from Kidnapers, legitimate law enforcement purposes,

3574
04:02:15,778 --> 04:02:19,978
there's too much information we don't know.

3575
04:02:21,336 --> 04:02:24,709
I'm not expecting a response next week

3576
04:02:24,709 --> 04:02:28,909
for the review I'm asking for a.

3577
04:02:33,728 --> 04:02:35,594
This is a moving target.

3578
04:02:35,594 --> 04:02:37,848
I went back to our original general orders

3579
04:02:37,848 --> 04:02:44,448
that were established by former Chief, when we had mobile units.

3580
04:02:45,800 --> 04:02:48,654
We now have polls in the ground.

3581
04:02:48,654 --> 04:02:52,254
It is all in the backup.

3582
04:02:52,448 --> 04:02:59,648
When I see this yellow paper , it takes it out of context.

3583
04:03:01,488 --> 04:03:05,880
Whoever asks the question, it was

3584
04:03:06,800 --> 04:03:09,128
based on last week's general order, not what

3585
04:03:09,128 --> 04:03:15,128
occurred and has been the policy of our police department

3586
04:03:15,688 --> 04:03:18,880
the last two years.

3587
04:03:19,128 --> 04:03:23,263
I say this not to cast dispersions.

3588
04:03:23,263 --> 04:03:28,630
All I'm asking for is a legal review.

3589
04:03:32,404 --> 04:03:35,598
Let's figure out what data was collected.

3590
04:03:35,598 --> 04:03:41,528
If our police department has an opportunity to do a lookback

3591
04:03:41,528 --> 04:03:46,928
period since 2024, up until August 25th of 2026 to see

3592
04:03:50,648 --> 04:03:55,448
our officers conduct an audit during the period,

3593
04:03:55,488 --> 04:03:59,688
if the administration believes that warrants transparency

3594
04:04:03,128 --> 04:04:06,128
to provide the public confidence ,

3595
04:04:09,493 --> 04:04:13,534
that we are not caught up in some other things we see

3596
04:04:13,534 --> 04:04:16,144
in other communities throughout the country,

3597
04:04:16,144 --> 04:04:20,348
I welcome that I'm not asking the commission to direct that

3598
04:04:20,348 --> 04:04:22,748
but I welcome it.

3599
04:04:23,528 --> 04:04:27,728
With that being said, I would like

3600
04:04:27,821 --> 04:04:32,228
to have consensus that we allow our city attorney, police

3601
04:04:32,228 --> 04:04:35,428
chief, and city administration to do a deep dive.

3602
04:04:35,428 --> 04:04:37,828
Let's find out more.

3603
04:04:38,868 --> 04:04:45,304
One of the things I discovered in past contracts is our data

3604
04:04:45,304 --> 04:04:47,454
was going to the Miami Police Department.

3605
04:04:47,454 --> 04:04:49,586
That's where it was stored.

3606
04:04:49,586 --> 04:04:51,608
It is all in the backup.

3607
04:04:51,608 --> 04:04:57,168
Now we have the city of Miami and their practices

3608
04:04:57,168 --> 04:05:01,968
and their servers and however they do it.

3609
04:05:03,750 --> 04:05:06,750
This is a big thing.

3610
04:05:09,590 --> 04:05:11,714
I want to make sure our public privacy

3611
04:05:11,714 --> 04:05:16,232
and constitutional rights are protected as the fabric

3612
04:05:16,232 --> 04:05:18,408
and foundation of this country.

3613
04:05:18,408 --> 04:05:23,808
With that, mayor, I'm not looking for a motion.

3614
04:05:25,345 --> 04:05:27,368
I want a consensus.

3615
04:05:27,368 --> 04:05:31,484
Firmly in my heart I believe we are all seeing this

3616
04:05:31,484 --> 04:05:35,108
through the same lens, that we just

3617
04:05:35,108 --> 04:05:37,768
don't know enough now to make any kind of decision

3618
04:05:37,768 --> 04:05:40,604
but we certainly need to know as soon as possible

3619
04:05:40,604 --> 04:05:42,968
and share that information.

3620
04:05:42,968 --> 04:05:46,568
If there's another city, municipality, town,

3621
04:05:48,200 --> 04:05:52,400
or state government that finds something --

3622
04:05:57,228 --> 04:06:00,828
or even members of Congress --

3623
04:06:02,733 --> 04:06:04,250
I welcome all that information.

3624
04:06:04,250 --> 04:06:05,631
It is very rare for a city commission

3625
04:06:05,631 --> 04:06:07,480
to be talking about something that

3626
04:06:07,480 --> 04:06:11,158
impacts every single one of us that lives in this country.

3627
04:06:11,158 --> 04:06:14,264
We always deal with the local stuff.

3628
04:06:14,264 --> 04:06:16,664
This is super big.

3629
04:06:17,291 --> 04:06:20,598
I did my absolute best to find out

3630
04:06:20,598 --> 04:06:23,468
what the financial considerations are.

3631
04:06:23,468 --> 04:06:26,961
I don't think we need to ask those questions tonight.

3632
04:06:26,961 --> 04:06:30,561
That is part of the review.

3633
04:06:30,648 --> 04:06:34,400
But by all means, so a program isn't

3634
04:06:34,400 --> 04:06:36,368
a termination of a contract.

3635
04:06:36,368 --> 04:06:40,568
Mayor and commissioner good, you and I

3636
04:06:40,836 --> 04:06:43,828
share the red light camera and that whole situation

3637
04:06:43,828 --> 04:06:46,828
and the contractual and financials.

3638
04:06:49,728 --> 04:06:53,464
I'm thankful for the time you've given me tonight

3639
04:06:53,464 --> 04:06:55,388
to talk about this.

3640
04:06:55,388 --> 04:06:58,328
I want to thank the police department.

3641
04:06:58,328 --> 04:07:01,688
We are the first city in Broward County to do this.

3642
04:07:01,688 --> 04:07:05,438
Unless someone did it since we were sitting here,

3643
04:07:05,438 --> 04:07:08,208
we are the only city to have suspended.

3644
04:07:08,208 --> 04:07:10,208
Pembroke Pines leads.

3645
04:07:10,848 --> 04:07:13,853
People look at us because we lead.

3646
04:07:13,853 --> 04:07:15,608
I think that's a good thing.

3647
04:07:15,608 --> 04:07:19,208
With that I yield the floor.

3648
04:07:19,968 --> 04:07:21,856
Mayor Castillo: I want to thank you

3649
04:07:21,856 --> 04:07:23,728
for bringing the item forward.

3650
04:07:23,728 --> 04:07:29,305
This is one of those things I've rarely seen in my time

3651
04:07:29,305 --> 04:07:34,308
as an elected official or my time in government, where

3652
04:07:34,308 --> 04:07:37,800
I can say from the bottom of my heart that everyone is right

3653
04:07:37,800 --> 04:07:39,848
and everyone is wrong.

3654
04:07:39,848 --> 04:07:44,453
I want to explain to you where we are at in my view.

3655
04:07:44,453 --> 04:07:47,828
I want to thank the chief for his courage

3656
04:07:47,828 --> 04:07:51,428
and the City Manager for his.

3657
04:07:52,728 --> 04:07:55,328
As mayor of the city, I announced

3658
04:07:55,328 --> 04:07:59,880
that I was encouraging them to suspend the program.

3659
04:07:59,880 --> 04:08:05,880
I did that because we are in a situation where

3660
04:08:08,208 --> 04:08:10,768
two big a percentage of our residents

3661
04:08:10,768 --> 04:08:13,788
have lost confidence in this tool.

3662
04:08:13,788 --> 04:08:19,594
You've heard me say before -- and it is not a rogue political

3663
04:08:19,594 --> 04:08:22,674
speech but what I believe to my core --

3664
04:08:22,674 --> 04:08:26,968
government works for them and not the other way around.

3665
04:08:26,968 --> 04:08:30,510
No matter how good a tool it, if it doesn't

3666
04:08:30,510 --> 04:08:37,110
at least get the support of a simple majority of people,

3667
04:08:37,368 --> 04:08:40,968
it needs to be looked at.

3668
04:08:41,310 --> 04:08:46,668
The fact that it isn't getting the support I feel it needs

3669
04:08:46,668 --> 04:08:51,613
to get is reflective of a couple things in my view --

3670
04:08:51,613 --> 04:08:56,468
first is the absolute ugly cynicism in the US right now

3671
04:08:56,468 --> 04:09:02,384
that has bled, despite my every effort to keep it away,

3672
04:09:02,384 --> 04:09:04,410
into the city.

3673
04:09:04,410 --> 04:09:07,674
I think it was inevitable that this would happen in.

3674
04:09:07,674 --> 04:09:11,284
I think people forgot how truly benevolent we are.

3675
04:09:11,284 --> 04:09:13,588
Even though we come and argue and there

3676
04:09:13,588 --> 04:09:17,248
are issues and whatnot, we come here trying

3677
04:09:17,248 --> 04:09:21,520
to do what's best for the city all the time, whether passing

3678
04:09:21,520 --> 04:09:24,212
a budget or passing an ordinance.

3679
04:09:24,212 --> 04:09:27,308
It gets overlooked because of the absolute ugliness

3680
04:09:27,308 --> 04:09:29,141
of politics right now.

3681
04:09:29,141 --> 04:09:33,268
I've never seen a political environment this revolting

3682
04:09:33,268 --> 04:09:36,568
in the U.S. In my lifetime.

3683
04:09:36,568 --> 04:09:40,168
It is not a partisan comment.

3684
04:09:40,248 --> 04:09:43,248
I think it stains all of us.

3685
04:09:43,248 --> 04:09:47,408
I think it is quintessentially an American.

3686
04:09:47,408 --> 04:09:49,298
The Pembroke Pines Police Department

3687
04:09:49,298 --> 04:09:53,208
is about catching bad guys and keeping us safe.

3688
04:09:53,208 --> 04:09:56,118
You all heard me recite as statistic

3689
04:09:56,118 --> 04:10:00,468
that has been verified that came out of the police department.

3690
04:10:00,468 --> 04:10:04,160
Last year they reduced crime by one third.

3691
04:10:04,160 --> 04:10:08,428
One of the reasons they are reducing crime, as well

3692
04:10:08,428 --> 04:10:11,208
as other cities, is because they are using technology

3693
04:10:11,208 --> 04:10:12,448
intelligently.

3694
04:10:12,448 --> 04:10:15,114
The intelligent use of technology

3695
04:10:15,114 --> 04:10:17,114
shouldn't be dismissed.

3696
04:10:18,168 --> 04:10:23,965
If you are an amber alert and have a child in your car,

3697
04:10:23,965 --> 04:10:27,800
it is hard to find you unless we know your license plate.

3698
04:10:27,800 --> 04:10:30,938
During the days we had red light cameras,

3699
04:10:30,938 --> 04:10:34,621
which were placed on the ballot while I was no longer serving

3700
04:10:34,621 --> 04:10:39,421
on this commission, I believe 76% of Pines residents

3701
04:10:43,282 --> 04:10:45,674
as to get rid of it.

3702
04:10:45,674 --> 04:10:49,574
One lady called me up and said that I supported red light

3703
04:10:49,574 --> 04:10:50,740
cameras.

3704
04:10:50,740 --> 04:10:52,888
She asked me what I thought now and I

3705
04:10:52,888 --> 04:10:55,774
told her to drive carefully.

3706
04:10:55,774 --> 04:11:01,774
With those two words, she said, o, I get it.

3707
04:11:04,472 --> 04:11:10,472
Those red light cameras helped us catch the murderer from

3708
04:11:15,548 --> 04:11:17,548
Friday's.

3709
04:11:18,968 --> 04:11:22,821
That guy was caught through another city's red light camera

3710
04:11:22,821 --> 04:11:24,954
but we found him.

3711
04:11:24,954 --> 04:11:26,736
We prosecuted him.

3712
04:11:26,736 --> 04:11:30,336
That person is now serving justice.

3713
04:11:30,783 --> 04:11:34,252
Chances are we wouldn't have caught that individual

3714
04:11:34,252 --> 04:11:36,668
had there not been technology.

3715
04:11:36,668 --> 04:11:40,268
Here's the thing about technology --

3716
04:11:41,672 --> 04:11:44,908
it's on our school busses now as we speak.

3717
04:11:44,908 --> 04:11:47,943
It is in front of our school zones now as we speak.

3718
04:11:47,943 --> 04:11:52,743
When we go to Publix, it is there.

3719
04:11:54,697 --> 04:11:58,740
When we pull out a cell phone, you are on video.

3720
04:11:58,740 --> 04:11:59,912
It is all over the place.

3721
04:11:59,912 --> 04:12:01,688
You cannot escape it.

3722
04:12:01,688 --> 04:12:05,968
But that doesn't escape a police officer in another jurisdiction

3723
04:12:05,968 --> 04:12:09,568
misusing it , casting a horrible opinion.

3724
04:12:13,528 --> 04:12:17,728
One dumb cop created a whole problem

3725
04:12:17,772 --> 04:12:21,648
for the entire United States because they

3726
04:12:21,648 --> 04:12:26,448
couldn't discipline themselves not to misuse a tool.

3727
04:12:27,448 --> 04:12:30,448
But it goes further than that.

3728
04:12:30,448 --> 04:12:34,608
I'm not happy with any of these companies.

3729
04:12:34,608 --> 04:12:38,808
It has only been alleged as far as I know,

3730
04:12:38,808 --> 04:12:45,408
but if it can be verified they were selling this information ,

3731
04:12:46,385 --> 04:12:50,190
who would want data about me going to Publix to pick up

3732
04:12:50,190 --> 04:12:52,419
a gallon of milk?

3733
04:12:52,636 --> 04:12:55,636
I personally don't get it.

3734
04:12:56,928 --> 04:12:59,480
Commissioner Rodriguez: The company is charging you

3735
04:12:59,480 --> 04:13:03,480
how much you pay for it.

3736
04:13:03,480 --> 04:13:06,880
Commissioner Schwartz: It shows up on your cell phone

3737
04:13:06,880 --> 04:13:07,848
when you walk past the store.

3738
04:13:07,848 --> 04:13:10,485
Mayor Castillo: Maybe you are right.

3739
04:13:10,485 --> 04:13:14,528
Maybe that is how it is working now.

3740
04:13:14,528 --> 04:13:21,128
The state of Florida is the one that authorizes all camera

3741
04:13:21,348 --> 04:13:23,120
technology for law enforcement.

3742
04:13:23,120 --> 04:13:25,480
No one else does.

3743
04:13:25,480 --> 04:13:27,960
That's why we have permits with them.

3744
04:13:27,960 --> 04:13:31,896
I think governor Desantis did the right thing.

3745
04:13:32,208 --> 04:13:36,528
Let's hold out that his cameras on the turnpike,

3746
04:13:36,528 --> 04:13:40,501
which are there to collect tolls, are still up and working.

3747
04:13:40,501 --> 04:13:42,488
It is only the ones in neighborhoods

3748
04:13:42,488 --> 04:13:46,557
that catch bad guys that he had a problem with.

3749
04:13:46,557 --> 04:13:49,848
Someone else will have to figure out that logic

3750
04:13:49,848 --> 04:13:51,800
because it doesn't compute for me.

3751
04:13:51,800 --> 04:13:54,200
Let's hold that aside.

3752
04:13:56,328 --> 04:14:01,118
They are the ones who authorized all camera enforcement

3753
04:14:01,118 --> 04:14:07,118
tools used by police and law enforcement in the state.

3754
04:14:08,720 --> 04:14:12,272
It couldn't have happened any other way.

3755
04:14:13,248 --> 04:14:15,968
They need to figure this thing out.

3756
04:14:15,968 --> 04:14:19,568
I was surprised the governor didn't

3757
04:14:19,776 --> 04:14:21,788
ask for a special session.

3758
04:14:21,788 --> 04:14:25,274
I'm not familiar with all special session rules,

3759
04:14:25,274 --> 04:14:29,192
but it seems to me when it comes to something this serious,

3760
04:14:29,192 --> 04:14:33,720
they should get together and have a special session.

3761
04:14:33,720 --> 04:14:37,974
They should bring in all these folks from flock and everything

3762
04:14:37,974 --> 04:14:43,974
else to fess up and find out what's going on.

3763
04:14:44,528 --> 04:14:48,728
They should create some guidelines and guardrails

3764
04:14:49,180 --> 04:14:55,180
for this program that might have the hope of regenerating

3765
04:14:55,448 --> 04:15:02,648
public trust in a system that's catching a lot of bad players

3766
04:15:06,510 --> 04:15:11,451
without creating an atmosphere that may think they're being

3767
04:15:13,508 --> 04:15:15,880
surveilled by the government.

3768
04:15:15,880 --> 04:15:19,584
That is certainly not what this is supposed to be.

3769
04:15:19,584 --> 04:15:24,128
This is supposed to be a tool that doesn't surveil the public

3770
04:15:24,128 --> 04:15:27,728
but locates, defines, and identifies people

3771
04:15:28,152 --> 04:15:32,352
known to be wanted by the law.

3772
04:15:32,448 --> 04:15:36,340
I encourage the suspension of this program.

3773
04:15:36,340 --> 04:15:38,544
I did not direct it.

3774
04:15:38,544 --> 04:15:40,154
I encouraged it.

3775
04:15:40,154 --> 04:15:45,976
I did this because I felt we had a decline in confidence

3776
04:15:45,976 --> 04:15:47,814
from our people.

3777
04:15:47,814 --> 04:15:52,614
As to review in the past, I practically

3778
04:15:52,698 --> 04:15:55,314
don't think it is necessary.

3779
04:15:55,314 --> 04:16:01,914
I don't think it is necessary to audit the police department

3780
04:16:04,400 --> 04:16:06,114
by our city Attorney.

3781
04:16:06,114 --> 04:16:09,608
I agree that he should provide us with the legal memo

3782
04:16:09,608 --> 04:16:11,868
but he's in the business of defending the city,

3783
04:16:11,868 --> 04:16:13,560
not doing operational reviews.

3784
04:16:13,560 --> 04:16:19,560
He's in the business of defending the city when sued.

3785
04:16:21,138 --> 04:16:23,680
Commissioner Schwartz: I wasn't suggesting the city attorney.

3786
04:16:23,680 --> 04:16:25,248
That would be the police department's

3787
04:16:25,248 --> 04:16:26,608
internal mechanisms.

3788
04:16:26,608 --> 04:16:29,320
Mayor Castillo: Maybe they want to do it.

3789
04:16:29,320 --> 04:16:31,240
Another way to do it would be the Commission auditor.

3790
04:16:31,240 --> 04:16:37,240
I hesitate to send the Commission auditor in the police

3791
04:16:40,528 --> 04:16:44,128
department because the optics look bad.

3792
04:16:45,568 --> 04:16:47,868
When the police department says they

3793
04:16:47,868 --> 04:16:51,648
are unaware of any instances in which the technology was

3794
04:16:51,648 --> 04:16:54,480
misused, I believe the.

3795
04:16:54,144 --> 04:16:58,480
I happen to know that they don't tolerate this kind of behavior

3796
04:16:58,480 --> 04:17:00,413
and would have acted on it.

3797
04:17:00,413 --> 04:17:04,114
I don't feel we have to go back in time

3798
04:17:04,114 --> 04:17:08,638
to dig out some misdeed that we have every assurance

3799
04:17:08,638 --> 04:17:10,504
to believe never occurred.

3800
04:17:10,504 --> 04:17:16,504
I am more interested in sending a resolution very firmly

3801
04:17:17,640 --> 04:17:19,640
to this governor.

3802
04:17:19,392 --> 04:17:23,728
I think we should share it with both gubernatorial candidates,

3803
04:17:23,728 --> 04:17:27,688
because the current governor is busy packing up because he

3804
04:17:27,688 --> 04:17:29,333
will be out of there soon.

3805
04:17:29,333 --> 04:17:31,680
We should make sure the next speaker of the House

3806
04:17:31,680 --> 04:17:35,488
and president of the Senate have our resolution,

3807
04:17:35,488 --> 04:17:40,568
demanding they call a session if they need to in order

3808
04:17:40,568 --> 04:17:44,768
to assign staff and possibly the task

3809
04:17:47,528 --> 04:17:51,128
force through FDLE, involving law enforcement

3810
04:17:53,368 --> 04:17:58,128
that is involved, to come up with necessary guardrails.

3811
04:17:58,128 --> 04:18:01,148
In the minimal amount of time, we

3812
04:18:01,148 --> 04:18:02,648
could roll this out to the residents

3813
04:18:02,648 --> 04:18:08,480
and say there's been a reboot to this thing.

3814
04:18:08,328 --> 04:18:11,928
These are the circumstances under which,

3815
04:18:12,354 --> 04:18:18,354
if it is used again, it can be used again.

3816
04:18:19,488 --> 04:18:24,708
I'm very proud we took the step we took.

3817
04:18:24,708 --> 04:18:30,000
It is certainly a step that police chief and City manager

3818
04:18:30,000 --> 04:18:31,468
had within their disposal.

3819
04:18:31,468 --> 04:18:34,696
Neither of them acted outside of their capacity.

3820
04:18:34,696 --> 04:18:38,296
It was not a directed step.

3821
04:18:38,461 --> 04:18:42,632
As a mayor, I encourage it because I

3822
04:18:42,632 --> 04:18:44,761
feel there is a decline in public trust.

3823
04:18:44,761 --> 04:18:48,248
I don't think it is necessary to audit our police

3824
04:18:48,248 --> 04:18:54,248
department to look for some sort of misdeed that has

3825
04:18:54,501 --> 04:18:57,501
no indication it ever occurred.

3826
04:18:58,304 --> 04:19:01,118
I would rather spend our time not

3827
04:19:01,118 --> 04:19:07,118
looking into some potential past thing we have no indication

3828
04:19:07,188 --> 04:19:07,888
about.

3829
04:19:07,888 --> 04:19:13,259
I instead would like to focus on solutions going forward, which

3830
04:19:13,259 --> 04:19:15,225
are at the state.

3831
04:19:15,225 --> 04:19:18,499
It is the state that authorized the use of the tool,

3832
04:19:18,499 --> 04:19:21,400
it is the state that needs to come up with the proper policies

3833
04:19:21,400 --> 04:19:27,328
to deal with it, and I have to tell you that protecting privacy

3834
04:19:27,328 --> 04:19:30,880
extends far beyond license plate readers.

3835
04:19:30,880 --> 04:19:33,800
It includes red light cameras.

3836
04:19:33,800 --> 04:19:34,864
There are still districts that use them.

3837
04:19:34,864 --> 04:19:37,864
It includes body worn cameras.

3838
04:19:39,728 --> 04:19:43,928
There's already guidance that is involved there

3839
04:19:45,780 --> 04:19:49,800
and we may need a strengthening of it.

3840
04:19:49,800 --> 04:19:51,528
It shouldn't just be about license plate readers.

3841
04:19:51,528 --> 04:19:53,588
It should be about how law enforcement uses

3842
04:19:53,588 --> 04:19:55,928
all camera technology in order to ensure

3843
04:19:55,928 --> 04:19:59,128
the constitutional rights of the people are protected.

3844
04:19:59,128 --> 04:20:03,368
There has also been a lot of misstatements.

3845
04:20:03,368 --> 04:20:09,968
In his legal memo , the city attorney will tell you that 20

3846
04:20:18,796 --> 04:20:24,208
some odd times the Supreme Court has ruled that uses of these

3847
04:20:24,208 --> 04:20:28,296
camera tools do not violate the Fourth Amendment.

3848
04:20:28,296 --> 04:20:33,880
You have no right of privacy when you go into a public place.

3849
04:20:33,880 --> 04:20:34,608
It doesn't exist.

3850
04:20:34,608 --> 04:20:37,680
That doesn't mean the government has the right

3851
04:20:37,680 --> 04:20:42,480
to sell information that would violate your privacy

3852
04:20:42,832 --> 04:20:44,219
in some other manner.

3853
04:20:44,219 --> 04:20:50,328
But if you are a criminal, you don't have that right.

3854
04:20:50,328 --> 04:20:52,960
I really think we have to step back from this

3855
04:20:52,960 --> 04:20:56,576
and understand that everyone is right and everyone is wrong.

3856
04:20:56,576 --> 04:20:59,576
Yes, this tool is helpful.

3857
04:21:00,768 --> 04:21:05,208
God forbid, if your child was on a bus stop tomorrow morning

3858
04:21:05,208 --> 04:21:08,808
and someone came and snatched them,

3859
04:21:09,480 --> 04:21:12,528
ardently as you may want to argue against these cameras,

3860
04:21:12,528 --> 04:21:19,128
you would want them on the street to find your child.

3861
04:21:22,328 --> 04:21:26,480
If a member of your family got horribly injured

3862
04:21:26,480 --> 04:21:29,621
in a hit and run and you happened to catch their number,

3863
04:21:29,621 --> 04:21:36,368
you would want a camera to find them and bring them to justice.

3864
04:21:36,368 --> 04:21:38,738
That's what this technology allows

3865
04:21:38,738 --> 04:21:41,643
people use to get away with this years

3866
04:21:41,643 --> 04:21:45,908
ago when Bonnie and Clyde were in business.

3867
04:21:45,908 --> 04:21:51,581
We have cameras today and there is no reason that can't be used.

3868
04:21:51,581 --> 04:21:55,848
But if Steven is driving down the block

3869
04:21:55,848 --> 04:22:02,448
to buy some flowers for his bride, that's no one's business.

3870
04:22:03,368 --> 04:22:10,190
He should feel free to do what he wants to do or go to a movie

3871
04:22:10,190 --> 04:22:13,288
or go down the block to the store or whatever

3872
04:22:13,288 --> 04:22:16,480
and not feel he's being surveilled.

3873
04:22:16,480 --> 04:22:18,888
That's what the problem is.

3874
04:22:18,888 --> 04:22:22,398
That is my view of it Commissioner.

3875
04:22:22,398 --> 04:22:26,998
I think we should resolve as a city commission

3876
04:22:26,998 --> 04:22:31,328
to petition the state government into very specific action,

3877
04:22:31,328 --> 04:22:36,945
to come up with rules that allow this tool to be used in ways

3878
04:22:36,945 --> 04:22:39,345
that regain public trust.

3879
04:22:46,830 --> 04:22:49,340
Vice Mayor Hernandez: I want to opine quickly I

3880
04:22:49,340 --> 04:22:55,634
want to thank the chief Vargas it wasn't an easy decision

3881
04:23:00,152 --> 04:23:02,941
and we spoke multiple times, including

3882
04:23:02,941 --> 04:23:08,941
when I was on radio being interviewed on your decision.

3883
04:23:12,832 --> 04:23:16,180
I know Captain Muller was involved

3884
04:23:16,180 --> 04:23:19,780
and he spoke with Out Left.

3885
04:23:21,128 --> 04:23:27,728
I spoke to Alf multiple times and you and your team

3886
04:23:28,872 --> 04:23:29,896
called him.

3887
04:23:29,896 --> 04:23:32,728
It wasn't just an email response.

3888
04:23:32,728 --> 04:23:35,888
We need to commend the Pembroke Pines Police

3889
04:23:35,888 --> 04:23:39,168
Department because you pick up the phone and call.

3890
04:23:39,168 --> 04:23:43,368
You offer to meet with Mr. Salvy.

3891
04:23:43,841 --> 04:23:45,592
That is commendable.

3892
04:23:45,592 --> 04:23:49,814
Not all police departments in large cities like ours do that.

3893
04:23:49,814 --> 04:23:52,992
To the Chief and command staff, thank you.

3894
04:23:52,992 --> 04:23:55,740
I forgot the other captain.

3895
04:23:55,740 --> 04:23:57,434
I know I said Woolard but whoever

3896
04:23:57,434 --> 04:24:00,973
the other one was that called me personally, thank you.

3897
04:24:00,973 --> 04:24:04,216
Far be it from me to criticize the governor

3898
04:24:04,216 --> 04:24:10,816
but it wasn't that long ago that governor Desantis was advocating

3899
04:24:11,168 --> 04:24:14,768
that our 67 counties and municipalities purchase

3900
04:24:14,874 --> 04:24:16,256
flock cameras.

3901
04:24:16,256 --> 04:24:18,256
He's on record.

3902
04:24:18,440 --> 04:24:22,974
He said it at press conferences and he said it everywhere.

3903
04:24:22,974 --> 04:24:25,145
I will not get into the politics of it.

3904
04:24:25,145 --> 04:24:28,928
I find it interesting that there are nasty headlines coming out

3905
04:24:28,928 --> 04:24:31,580
of Tallahassee right now, particularly

3906
04:24:31,580 --> 04:24:33,668
with his administration and handling of it.

3907
04:24:33,668 --> 04:24:38,800
All of a sudden he announces to take the flock cameras down.

3908
04:24:38,800 --> 04:24:40,800
This is convenient in my view.

3909
04:24:40,800 --> 04:24:41,540
Actually, it isn't.

3910
04:24:41,540 --> 04:24:45,488
At the end of the day, that is press 101.

3911
04:24:45,488 --> 04:24:47,318
Deflect when there is a crisis.

3912
04:24:47,318 --> 04:24:49,480
Make an announcement.

3913
04:24:49,480 --> 04:24:50,648
Take the attention away.

3914
04:24:50,648 --> 04:24:53,799
Governor Desantis is at fault for the lack of clarity

3915
04:24:53,799 --> 04:24:56,714
he encouraged counties and municipalities

3916
04:24:56,714 --> 04:25:02,880
to purchase flock technology, the expenditure of tax dollars,

3917
04:25:02,880 --> 04:25:03,968
and now he's going back on it.

3918
04:25:03,968 --> 04:25:09,968
Rather than encourage it and tell counties and cities that

3919
04:25:10,480 --> 04:25:14,848
since Tallahassee loves to preempt local jurisdictions --

3920
04:25:17,491 --> 04:25:20,800
like our city or Broward County --

3921
04:25:20,800 --> 04:25:24,280
from carrying our own laws and regulations,

3922
04:25:47,288 --> 04:25:51,168
They did not provide any guidance out

3923
04:25:51,168 --> 04:25:54,608
of Tallahassee of how we should handle technology that

3924
04:25:54,608 --> 04:25:57,352
moves faster than humans do.

3925
04:25:57,352 --> 04:26:00,952
Technology is changing every single week.

3926
04:26:01,592 --> 04:26:05,528
It wasn't that long ago that principle Peter Bear

3927
04:26:05,528 --> 04:26:10,288
at Price Charter didn't have to worry that students at Pines

3928
04:26:10,288 --> 04:26:12,688
Charter were using ChatGPT.

3929
04:26:13,248 --> 04:26:16,278
Now technology has advanced so quickly that it's

3930
04:26:16,278 --> 04:26:18,968
difficult for us to catch up.

3931
04:26:18,968 --> 04:26:23,421
It is incredibly unfortunate that instead of having a partner

3932
04:26:23,421 --> 04:26:30,210
in our governor and a partner in the legislature, we don't.

3933
04:26:32,328 --> 04:26:38,328
We are left as a local jurisdiction to clean up.

3934
04:26:39,296 --> 04:26:40,936
That sad.

3935
04:26:40,936 --> 04:26:43,336
I commend the chief.

3936
04:26:44,168 --> 04:26:46,528
There are other states --

3937
04:26:46,528 --> 04:26:51,536
Florida is one of them -- where they have a data bill of rights.

3938
04:26:51,536 --> 04:26:55,148
You as an individual has a right to determine how much

3939
04:26:55,148 --> 04:27:00,882
of your data exists out there because data brokers --

3940
04:27:00,882 --> 04:27:06,282
I know this from my private consulting work --

3941
04:27:08,288 --> 04:27:10,688
buy and sell data.

3942
04:27:11,392 --> 04:27:13,792
To Commissioner Schwartz's point,

3943
04:27:14,528 --> 04:27:19,800
this is why your data shows up on your phone.

3944
04:27:19,800 --> 04:27:22,768
Your data is repackaged and sold so advertisers

3945
04:27:22,768 --> 04:27:24,979
can determine what will pop up.

3946
04:27:24,979 --> 04:27:27,656
I don't think you have Instagram,

3947
04:27:27,656 --> 04:27:32,305
but this is how they determine what pops up on social media

3948
04:27:32,305 --> 04:27:35,905
or when you open a newspaper.

3949
04:27:36,408 --> 04:27:38,408
A digital newspaper.

3950
04:27:41,658 --> 04:27:46,958
Florida has this kind of agreement but it is narrow.

3951
04:27:46,958 --> 04:27:52,358
It's limited to companies with a aroun a --

3952
04:27:54,461 --> 04:27:57,281
with around $1 million in revenue.

3953
04:27:57,281 --> 04:28:00,816
I'm okay with all the proposals here

3954
04:28:00,816 --> 04:28:04,941
and not just sending it to the gubernatorial candidates.

3955
04:28:04,941 --> 04:28:08,936
I believe one is in Broward County next week we

3956
04:28:08,936 --> 04:28:12,498
should send it to them and the incoming House speaker,

3957
04:28:12,498 --> 04:28:14,688
the incoming Senate President.

3958
04:28:14,688 --> 04:28:19,488
That is predetermined prior to the legislative session.

3959
04:28:21,480 --> 04:28:28,800
We have to wait until November to see who is in what seat.

3960
04:28:28,800 --> 04:28:31,800
Ultimately, it is immensely frustrating.

3961
04:28:32,628 --> 04:28:36,304
I don't believe you did anything wrong.

3962
04:28:36,304 --> 04:28:41,608
I don't believe the Pembroke Pines Police Department was

3963
04:28:41,608 --> 04:28:45,254
careless in any way and it actually has to do with

3964
04:28:45,254 --> 04:28:50,654
a technology that you didn't create but were encouraged

3965
04:28:51,000 --> 04:28:55,200
to ask the previous City Commission --

3966
04:28:55,752 --> 04:28:59,288
I came in afterwards and I think it was just prior to me being

3967
04:28:59,288 --> 04:29:01,288
appointed --

3968
04:29:03,488 --> 04:29:09,488
Mayor Castillo: -- no, we had it for ten years.

3969
04:29:10,575 --> 04:29:12,992
Commissioner Schwartz: May 2024 was Chief Vargas's General

3970
04:29:12,992 --> 04:29:13,492
Order.

3971
04:29:13,492 --> 04:29:15,448
You were with us on that point.

3972
04:29:15,448 --> 04:29:20,248
Vice Mayor Hernandez: I was appointed May 15th.

3973
04:29:20,448 --> 04:29:22,848
Commissioner Rodriguez: He's --

3974
04:29:25,921 --> 04:29:27,546
Mayor Castillo: He's talking about when

3975
04:29:27,546 --> 04:29:29,946
we started these things.

3976
04:29:30,528 --> 04:29:32,918
Vice Mayor Hernandez: The point is

3977
04:29:32,918 --> 04:29:37,668
this was brought about by the governor not the chief.

3978
04:29:37,668 --> 04:29:40,734
Thanks, chief Vargas, it's not easy being

3979
04:29:40,734 --> 04:29:42,127
a police chief in a large city.

3980
04:29:42,127 --> 04:29:43,752
It was difficult to make that decision.

3981
04:29:43,752 --> 04:29:46,128
You have my support and so does your command staff.

3982
04:29:46,128 --> 04:29:48,128
Thank you.

3983
04:29:53,140 --> 04:29:56,448
Mayor Castillo: I have two people signed up to speak.

3984
04:29:56,448 --> 04:29:58,220
Commissioner Rodriguez: I want to speak.

3985
04:29:58,220 --> 04:29:59,928
Commissioner Schwartz brought up the idea

3986
04:29:59,928 --> 04:30:03,908
of continuing to look into what that contract actually stated

3987
04:30:03,908 --> 04:30:09,308
and what the atomized data actually came up with.

3988
04:30:16,505 --> 04:30:19,640
I went to a conference in Baltimore in the summer

3989
04:30:19,640 --> 04:30:25,628
and they brought up that you may only be sharing data internally

3990
04:30:25,628 --> 04:30:31,628
and not elsewhere, but there's a caveat in the contract

3991
04:30:33,781 --> 04:30:36,188
and the vendor can take that information.

3992
04:30:36,188 --> 04:30:40,248
They say they split the data up so it isn't as obvious who

3993
04:30:40,248 --> 04:30:43,288
is who, but they repackage the information

3994
04:30:43,288 --> 04:30:44,968
and eventually sell it.

3995
04:30:44,968 --> 04:30:48,368
Currently in the market, there is no vendor that

3996
04:30:48,368 --> 04:30:50,832
doesn't have that part of it.

3997
04:30:50,832 --> 04:30:52,888
That technology wouldn't be as cheap

3998
04:30:52,888 --> 04:30:56,172
as it currently is for us to be able to use it otherwise.

3999
04:30:56,172 --> 04:30:59,788
Not that they are the cheapest of cameras,

4000
04:30:59,788 --> 04:31:04,872
but if a product is cheaper or free, you pay with data sharing.

4001
04:31:04,872 --> 04:31:10,178
Most of us have Gmail, Google Maps, or Apple Maps.

4002
04:31:10,178 --> 04:31:12,136
The reason they don't charge for their products

4003
04:31:12,136 --> 04:31:18,136
is because you are paying for it with your data.

4004
04:31:18,298 --> 04:31:24,898
There's a lot of discussion online not just in our city,

4005
04:31:25,228 --> 04:31:31,591
but across the board -- and I think people like to be

4006
04:31:31,591 --> 04:31:33,758
selectively angry when they cannot control something

4007
04:31:33,758 --> 04:31:38,328
because they can come into City hall and ask to turn off

4008
04:31:38,328 --> 04:31:40,328
their cameras --

4009
04:31:40,428 --> 04:31:44,208
that opens up everyone's mind to show how surveilled

4010
04:31:44,208 --> 04:31:47,504
we are in the general public.

4011
04:31:47,504 --> 04:31:51,797
Here I think the issue came and was so rampantly taken

4012
04:31:51,797 --> 04:31:57,197
on by governments, states, and a couple other agencies

4013
04:31:57,864 --> 04:32:04,464
and the criticism was that the state now had that data,

4014
04:32:05,434 --> 04:32:11,581
instead of what 1st May perceive private companies that sell us

4015
04:32:11,581 --> 04:32:13,581
products.

4016
04:32:14,328 --> 04:32:17,928
The vendors sold safety to us and we sold

4017
04:32:17,928 --> 04:32:20,488
them the data of our residents.

4018
04:32:20,488 --> 04:32:23,398
This happened unknowingly, because these

4019
04:32:23,398 --> 04:32:27,768
are very nuanced conversations, as we've all come to see.

4020
04:32:27,768 --> 04:32:33,768
Thankfully come out we are opening our eyes to this .

4021
04:32:37,310 --> 04:32:39,310
My suggestion --

4022
04:32:39,417 --> 04:32:45,440
and I don't think this will occur even in the next couple

4023
04:32:45,440 --> 04:32:49,394
months -- is to do a huge investigation on our end of all

4024
04:32:49,394 --> 04:32:50,113
our contracts.

4025
04:32:50,113 --> 04:32:55,231
We have contracts for cameras and a million sorts

4026
04:32:55,231 --> 04:32:57,374
of things that take in data.

4027
04:32:57,374 --> 04:33:00,374
Where is the data going?

4028
04:33:01,728 --> 04:33:05,678
We have cameras in our schools and there's protections

4029
04:33:05,678 --> 04:33:07,192
on where that data can go.

4030
04:33:07,192 --> 04:33:11,392
I've been doing research on baby monitors

4031
04:33:12,108 --> 04:33:16,928
there are closed circuit baby monitors and people recommend

4032
04:33:16,928 --> 04:33:17,688
that.

4033
04:33:17,688 --> 04:33:26,880
It is easy for someone to hack a WiFi baby monitor or a camera

4034
04:33:26,828 --> 04:33:30,428
in your home or a Bluetooth.

4035
04:33:31,728 --> 04:33:38,328
This is in relation to the A LPR and LPR cameras,

4036
04:33:38,616 --> 04:33:43,512
but when we are provided any kind of service,

4037
04:33:43,512 --> 04:33:47,585
where does the data go if it is collected?

4038
04:33:47,585 --> 04:33:50,384
We need to be conscious that maybe there

4039
04:33:50,384 --> 04:33:52,893
are no vendors that collect data and we

4040
04:33:52,893 --> 04:33:56,968
have to do a second look at what data is being collected.

4041
04:33:56,968 --> 04:34:00,842
Is it worth what we are able to do?

4042
04:34:00,842 --> 04:34:02,828
The conversation doesn't stop here.

4043
04:34:02,828 --> 04:34:06,280
It continues to the data safety of all of our residents

4044
04:34:06,280 --> 04:34:10,828
in the full scope of what we do.

4045
04:34:12,728 --> 04:34:17,112
I agree that we may be not look back

4046
04:34:17,112 --> 04:34:20,680
into every single part of it with the police department,

4047
04:34:20,680 --> 04:34:24,974
but at least what we were able to handle.

4048
04:34:24,974 --> 04:34:27,328
God knows where the data went.

4049
04:34:27,328 --> 04:34:31,354
The retention policy was 30 days for some of these systems

4050
04:34:31,354 --> 04:34:33,354
that we had.

4051
04:34:39,368 --> 04:34:44,768
It was three years and eventually changed to 30 days.

4052
04:34:47,848 --> 04:34:50,150
It eventually became seven but that is only

4053
04:34:50,150 --> 04:34:51,496
the part we can control.

4054
04:34:51,496 --> 04:34:54,268
The data is probably still being held

4055
04:34:54,268 --> 04:34:59,384
by the flock company themselves or any of these other companies.

4056
04:34:59,384 --> 04:35:02,848
I think we have to put parameters in.

4057
04:35:02,848 --> 04:35:05,800
I do not want to burden the police department

4058
04:35:05,800 --> 04:35:08,248
with looking into how flock does their data

4059
04:35:08,248 --> 04:35:14,248
saving, other than what we internally could or could not

4060
04:35:15,268 --> 04:35:16,218
do.

4061
04:35:16,218 --> 04:35:19,818
I think right sizing these audits

4062
04:35:21,648 --> 04:35:26,448
and making sure all of our legal paperwork

4063
04:35:26,848 --> 04:35:32,684
and contracts are looked at in accordance to the data line

4064
04:35:32,684 --> 04:35:34,901
to see where the data goes, evaluating

4065
04:35:34,901 --> 04:35:39,488
if we are okay with sharing certain types of data.

4066
04:35:39,488 --> 04:35:40,825
How do we work on that?

4067
04:35:40,825 --> 04:35:43,103
Is there another product and is there

4068
04:35:43,103 --> 04:35:44,620
something else, well more expensive,

4069
04:35:44,620 --> 04:35:46,728
has a closed circuit with the data?

4070
04:35:46,728 --> 04:35:50,328
That is it on my end.

4071
04:35:54,475 --> 04:35:56,808
Commissioner Good, Jr.: I think everyone said everything

4072
04:35:56,808 --> 04:35:58,693
that is needed to be said.

4073
04:35:58,693 --> 04:36:01,930
I'm ready to adjourn.

4074
04:36:05,156 --> 04:36:10,556
Mayor Castillo: I have Ben Olson from Davie, Florida.

4075
04:36:12,395 --> 04:36:13,728
There's nothing wrong with that.

4076
04:36:13,728 --> 04:36:15,975
You are our neighbor and state your name

4077
04:36:15,975 --> 04:36:18,975
and address for the record.

4078
04:36:28,725 --> 04:36:33,188
Community Member: My name is Ben Nelson and I am your neighbor.

4079
04:36:33,188 --> 04:36:36,480
I came today because I am a victim of flock

4080
04:36:36,480 --> 04:36:38,888
and wanted to explain how I am.

4081
04:36:38,888 --> 04:36:41,298
I'm also a fourth generation rancher

4082
04:36:41,298 --> 04:36:45,674
in Hinton County, Florida my family owns property there.

4083
04:36:45,674 --> 04:36:52,274
Four years ago, my neighbor and myself learned that the Army

4084
04:36:53,581 --> 04:37:00,181
Corps of Engineers we're going to use eminent domain to take

4085
04:37:01,520 --> 04:37:07,368
over our property. -- advocating for a private property rights

4086
04:37:07,368 --> 04:37:10,352
and the rights of critically endangered animals on those

4087
04:37:10,352 --> 04:37:12,268
properties is something I do.

4088
04:37:12,268 --> 04:37:15,968
In 2024, I released evidence that they primary Panther

4089
04:37:15,968 --> 04:37:19,760
habitat was flooded out, despite these lands not having property

4090
04:37:19,760 --> 04:37:20,341
on it.

4091
04:37:20,341 --> 04:37:25,373
I proved this with surveys from the 1800s to the 2000.

4092
04:37:25,373 --> 04:37:28,680
We recently learned in July that a few days after I released

4093
04:37:28,680 --> 04:37:31,648
this information, the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission

4094
04:37:31,648 --> 04:37:34,528
illegally accessed the driver and vehicle Information

4095
04:37:34,528 --> 04:37:41,728
database, or DAVID database to use flock cameras to spy on me.

4096
04:37:47,148 --> 04:37:48,584
It is not just me.

4097
04:37:48,584 --> 04:37:53,384
Many people are being tracked with this tactic.

4098
04:37:53,848 --> 04:37:58,648
I go to Everglades restoration meetings, South Florida

4099
04:38:03,848 --> 04:38:04,568
meetings.

4100
04:38:04,568 --> 04:38:07,568
I do not make threats.

4101
04:38:07,844 --> 04:38:11,888
I go to meetings and fight for my family's habitat.

4102
04:38:11,888 --> 04:38:14,128
When I was fighting for my family's land,

4103
04:38:14,128 --> 04:38:17,828
I was taking care of my mother through early onset dementia

4104
04:38:17,828 --> 04:38:20,468
I got her audit logged back.

4105
04:38:20,468 --> 04:38:25,568
They illegally searched a woman nine years into dementia,

4106
04:38:25,568 --> 04:38:27,188
using information to track her son.

4107
04:38:27,188 --> 04:38:31,988
My father and family had their Information illegally

4108
04:38:36,840 --> 04:38:37,400
accessed 50 times.

4109
04:38:37,400 --> 04:38:39,872
Myself, my family, and friends are

4110
04:38:39,872 --> 04:38:41,681
being tracked by flock cameras and this

4111
04:38:41,681 --> 04:38:44,928
is the first verified systemic abuse of the cameras.

4112
04:38:44,928 --> 04:38:49,734
It's no mistake that the state is coming out

4113
04:38:49,734 --> 04:38:52,495
in opposition to it because this has come down in a few weeks.

4114
04:38:52,495 --> 04:38:56,318
We found out a long time ago we were being tracked.

4115
04:38:56,318 --> 04:38:58,276
If we don't do something in the next few years,

4116
04:38:58,276 --> 04:39:01,160
it will be you and your family and friends.

4117
04:39:01,160 --> 04:39:06,560
As a person being tracked for advocating for wildlife,

4118
04:39:06,737 --> 04:39:09,600
I think you are a hero, Mr. Schwartz,

4119
04:39:09,600 --> 04:39:13,860
to stand up for stopping these draconian devices.

4120
04:39:18,408 --> 04:39:21,408
There is zero measurable correlation

4121
04:39:21,808 --> 04:39:24,348
between the increase in actual number of cameras we have

4122
04:39:24,348 --> 04:39:26,208
and the decrease in crime.

4123
04:39:26,208 --> 04:39:27,712
It is other factors.

4124
04:39:27,712 --> 04:39:29,488
They don't correlate to the cameras.

4125
04:39:29,488 --> 04:39:32,328
These cameras are antithetical to the founders

4126
04:39:32,328 --> 04:39:34,480
intent for our country.

4127
04:39:34,480 --> 04:39:35,940
Benjamin Franklin expressed that those

4128
04:39:35,940 --> 04:39:39,368
who give up essential liberty for temporary safety

4129
04:39:39,368 --> 04:39:42,368
deserve Neither liberty nor safetY.

4130
04:39:58,756 --> 04:40:04,756
Neither we are not your canaries in th coal mine.

4131
04:40:15,288 --> 04:40:20,192
I thank you and to answer your questions you cannot audit what

4132
04:40:20,192 --> 04:40:22,801
FWC or other agencies do with the cameras.

4133
04:40:22,801 --> 04:40:26,888
If you run an internal audit on the network for April 29th you

4134
04:40:26,888 --> 04:40:30,224
would see an FWC investigation that is redacted.

4135
04:40:30,224 --> 04:40:31,554
That is about me.

4136
04:40:31,554 --> 04:40:34,288
You cannot see what you did with your own cameras.

4137
04:40:34,288 --> 04:40:37,258
I will not keep talking because this is a public forum

4138
04:40:37,258 --> 04:40:39,216
but I'm happy to engage with you and your staff

4139
04:40:39,216 --> 04:40:41,288
to give you full details, because this

4140
04:40:41,288 --> 04:40:44,160
is the third meeting I've gone to today about this.

4141
04:40:44,160 --> 04:40:45,800
This is disgusting.

4142
04:40:45,800 --> 04:40:46,670
This is real.

4143
04:40:46,670 --> 04:40:48,400
This is why the state is changing all these things right

4144
04:40:48,400 --> 04:40:49,168
now.

4145
04:40:49,168 --> 04:40:51,704
The FWC is illegally stalking individuals.

4146
04:40:51,704 --> 04:40:55,100
Just to make a point, I volunteer for the agency.

4147
04:40:55,100 --> 04:40:59,888
I hunt pythons with them and I make panther surveying for them.

4148
04:40:59,888 --> 04:41:02,181
I was shocked when I was on the list.

4149
04:41:02,181 --> 04:41:05,181
There are documentarians, journalists, lawyers,

4150
04:41:06,674 --> 04:41:08,593
conservationists, and influencers.

4151
04:41:08,593 --> 04:41:10,848
These are people that spoke out in the meetings

4152
04:41:10,848 --> 04:41:13,698
because they care about wildlife being trapped.

4153
04:41:13,698 --> 04:41:15,449
Thank you for your time.

4154
04:41:15,449 --> 04:41:17,161
I know you are not running the clock.

4155
04:41:17,161 --> 04:41:18,661
Thanks for bringing it to the public

4156
04:41:18,661 --> 04:41:21,408
and thank you to the chief for suspending it

4157
04:41:21,408 --> 04:41:22,432
for Broward County.

4158
04:41:22,432 --> 04:41:25,428
This is very real and why the state is moving quickly

4159
04:41:25,428 --> 04:41:28,968
behind the scenes if I can be so candid.

4160
04:41:28,968 --> 04:41:31,824
Mayor Castillo: Thanks for coming forward.

4161
04:41:31,824 --> 04:41:36,240
All the best to you and yours.

4162
04:41:36,328 --> 04:41:41,128
Community Member: I'm happy to engage with you.

4163
04:41:41,368 --> 04:41:44,150
Mayor Castillo: Thank you very much.

4164
04:41:44,150 --> 04:41:47,150
I have Al Salvy next.

4165
04:41:53,810 --> 04:41:54,581
Community Member: Thank you so much.

4166
04:41:54,581 --> 04:41:58,181
Mine will not be that long.

4167
04:42:00,480 --> 04:42:05,448
Vice mayor, city Commission city manager, city attorney city

4168
04:42:06,154 --> 04:42:09,268
clerk, let me begin by starting with something trivial

4169
04:42:09,268 --> 04:42:11,728
that a lot of people may not know.

4170
04:42:11,728 --> 04:42:15,928
September is national Spinal Cord Injury Month.

4171
04:42:16,727 --> 04:42:19,328
I'm not sure if you are aware of that.

4172
04:42:19,328 --> 04:42:23,824
I know we just had childhood cancer month

4173
04:42:23,824 --> 04:42:26,821
but is also national Spinal Cord Injury month.

4174
04:42:26,821 --> 04:42:31,238
I bring that up because I want to talk about how this relates

4175
04:42:31,238 --> 04:42:33,638
to the police department.

4176
04:42:33,938 --> 04:42:37,538
Chief Vargas, captain whirlwind, captain Pereira,

4177
04:42:43,743 --> 04:42:49,143
Sergeant Juarez, all of you do a fantastic job

4178
04:42:50,568 --> 04:42:52,968
enforcing spinal cord injuries.

4179
04:42:56,568 --> 04:42:59,940
There's enforcement around taking on speeders

4180
04:42:59,940 --> 04:43:01,792
and taking care of people with disabilities

4181
04:43:01,792 --> 04:43:03,680
in the city of Pembroke Pines?

4182
04:43:03,680 --> 04:43:06,278
We talk about diversity and inclusion

4183
04:43:06,278 --> 04:43:11,678
and Pines Police Department should be spoken highly of.

4184
04:43:12,221 --> 04:43:13,888
It is the same with the fire department.

4185
04:43:13,888 --> 04:43:18,288
You guys are doing a fantastic job to protect people like us.

4186
04:43:18,288 --> 04:43:20,912
Thank you and your staff.

4187
04:43:20,912 --> 04:43:25,712
Bringing it back, I want to coattail off

4188
04:43:29,790 --> 04:43:34,321
my vice mayor and Maria and Tom and Commissioner Schwartz.

4189
04:43:34,321 --> 04:43:36,443
I will not make this long.

4190
04:43:36,443 --> 04:43:40,498
As a private resident, just like the resident mentioned,

4191
04:43:40,498 --> 04:43:43,688
it is an invasion of my privacy.

4192
04:43:43,688 --> 04:43:44,848
I'm an American.

4193
04:43:44,848 --> 04:43:48,276
I left Cuba for the exact reason I'm living here now.

4194
04:43:48,276 --> 04:43:50,634
I don't want to live in a police state.

4195
04:43:50,634 --> 04:43:52,718
I think this is becoming a police state.

4196
04:43:52,718 --> 04:43:57,880
Not only is it becoming a police state by having us tracked

4197
04:43:57,880 --> 04:44:01,950
and invading my property without my consent, but also

4198
04:44:01,950 --> 04:44:05,718
the fact of what this data is being used for.

4199
04:44:05,718 --> 04:44:06,965
I'm not a criminal.

4200
04:44:06,965 --> 04:44:09,928
I haven't broken the law in 65 years.

4201
04:44:09,928 --> 04:44:14,128
Without my consent, my data should not

4202
04:44:14,381 --> 04:44:17,848
be utilized for any reason that I'm not aware of.

4203
04:44:17,848 --> 04:44:22,248
Selling my data is not something I consented to.

4204
04:44:22,248 --> 04:44:27,480
These cameras are being installed in city locations.

4205
04:44:29,168 --> 04:44:31,641
I'm not sure how they were approved but they are $2,500

4206
04:44:31,641 --> 04:44:32,808
a piece.

4207
04:44:32,808 --> 04:44:36,408
The total installation has been about $99,000.

4208
04:44:37,560 --> 04:44:39,402
I don't know who is paying for this.

4209
04:44:39,402 --> 04:44:41,948
I don't know if it is taxpayers.

4210
04:44:41,948 --> 04:44:46,800
As someone on Social Security, it hurts my pocket.

4211
04:44:46,800 --> 04:44:49,200
This is now suspended.

4212
04:44:49,268 --> 04:44:51,880
This is a win and a loss.

4213
04:44:51,880 --> 04:44:55,798
There is no right answer because it helps the police department

4214
04:44:55,798 --> 04:44:59,398
catch criminals and locate missing children,

4215
04:44:59,728 --> 04:45:02,968
but it hurts law abiding citizens like me

4216
04:45:02,968 --> 04:45:07,768
that feel they are being watched and tracked.

4217
04:45:07,800 --> 04:45:13,368
I want to say that everything that was said today

4218
04:45:13,368 --> 04:45:16,968
needs to be reconsidered and audited.

4219
04:45:19,164 --> 04:45:21,978
It is an abomination of our rights.

4220
04:45:21,978 --> 04:45:25,761
I only learned about flock cameras less than a month ago.

4221
04:45:25,761 --> 04:45:29,240
I reviewed it with leadership because I

4222
04:45:29,240 --> 04:45:34,400
felt I was getting misinformation left and right.

4223
04:45:37,624 --> 04:45:41,224
The great police Department approached me.

4224
04:45:42,800 --> 04:45:46,213
Captain Pereira called me and Sergeant Hernandez reached out.

4225
04:45:46,213 --> 04:45:50,928
I was getting a lot of support reassuring me that it wasn't

4226
04:45:50,928 --> 04:45:53,880
used for various reasons.

4227
04:45:53,880 --> 04:45:55,744
The police department of Pembroke Pines

4228
04:45:55,744 --> 04:45:57,238
is honest and hardworking.

4229
04:45:57,238 --> 04:45:58,854
They protect our lives.

4230
04:45:58,854 --> 04:46:03,281
They put their lives on the line for us every day.

4231
04:46:03,281 --> 04:46:08,848
That's why I have the highest regard for the staff.

4232
04:46:08,848 --> 04:46:12,448
The last thing I want to do is have any distrust

4233
04:46:12,448 --> 04:46:15,448
in our city law enforcement.

4234
04:46:16,480 --> 04:46:17,600
Mayor Castillo: Thank you.

4235
04:46:17,600 --> 04:46:24,140
You are an inspiration to us and we thank you very much.

4236
04:46:24,140 --> 04:46:25,640
>> Before you close out the meeting,

4237
04:46:25,640 --> 04:46:28,968
so we know the direction as city Attorney,

4238
04:46:28,968 --> 04:46:32,628
the first thing is our partner, Mike Cirillo,

4239
04:46:32,628 --> 04:46:38,884
is reviewing contracts we have with the flock company we are

4240
04:46:38,884 --> 04:46:42,120
reviewing this and will report back to the administration

4241
04:46:42,120 --> 04:46:46,988
as to where we are legally in regards to the suspension that

4242
04:46:46,988 --> 04:46:50,601
has been lawfully entered by the police Chief and the city.

4243
04:46:50,601 --> 04:46:53,501
We will work in that direction and direct you.

4244
04:46:53,501 --> 04:46:57,641
The second part is the take away from the motion is that you are

4245
04:46:57,641 --> 04:47:03,398
looking for some type of resolution of some kind --

4246
04:47:03,398 --> 04:47:04,940
Mayor Castillo: There's a resolution.

4247
04:47:04,940 --> 04:47:07,184
We need a legal memo from you and we

4248
04:47:07,184 --> 04:47:09,305
need additional information from the chief,

4249
04:47:09,305 --> 04:47:15,905
to the extent that it can be provided, about any suggestions

4250
04:47:16,738 --> 04:47:19,138
to improve the program.

4251
04:47:21,176 --> 04:47:24,776
That is what I'm hearing, Commissioner.

4252
04:47:25,453 --> 04:47:30,168
I'm not hearing that we want to audit the police department

4253
04:47:30,168 --> 04:47:34,648
but want to have some information from them about how

4254
04:47:34,648 --> 04:47:39,638
to make the program better if that is possible.

4255
04:47:39,638 --> 04:47:45,380
Information on what improvements can be made and information

4256
04:47:47,856 --> 04:47:49,200
on our staff.

4257
04:47:49,200 --> 04:47:52,800
We want contract reviews and resolutions

4258
04:47:52,960 --> 04:47:57,160
to the state to work on this.

4259
04:48:00,368 --> 04:48:05,696
>> We will come up with a resolution and work with

4260
04:48:05,696 --> 04:48:07,968
our police and professionals.

4261
04:48:07,968 --> 04:48:11,568
Commissioner Schwartz: With the institutional impacts,

4262
04:48:11,998 --> 04:48:15,880
can we look at our congressional delegation?

4263
04:48:15,880 --> 04:48:18,188
Mayor Castillo: I have no objections.

4264
04:48:18,188 --> 04:48:22,368
Let's include the constitutional delegation and the Broward

4265
04:48:22,368 --> 04:48:25,400
County delegation let's make sure the resolution gets

4266
04:48:25,400 --> 04:48:26,768
the attention of social media.

4267
04:48:26,768 --> 04:48:31,953
I want to see it posted in its entirety.

4268
04:48:31,953 --> 04:48:34,840
Get it to the press.

4269
04:48:34,840 --> 04:48:37,448
Let people know that we didn't just do this.

4270
04:48:37,448 --> 04:48:40,158
We care about it and want to see a solution come out

4271
04:48:40,158 --> 04:48:45,558
of Tallahassee, which is the only proper place it

4272
04:48:45,648 --> 04:48:50,344
can come from because they are the ones that authorized

4273
04:48:50,344 --> 04:48:51,418
the use.

4274
04:48:51,418 --> 04:48:55,644
I have one last item on old business.

4275
04:48:55,644 --> 04:49:02,844
I thought we had a productive and well run and presented --

4276
04:49:02,988 --> 04:49:08,988
I think Lisa Chung and the city staff there --

4277
04:49:09,294 --> 04:49:14,228
I think in one way we owe their presentation

4278
04:49:14,228 --> 04:49:19,628
that educated and informed us about potential cuts that

4279
04:49:20,858 --> 04:49:24,208
could happen with respect to amendment three,

4280
04:49:24,208 --> 04:49:29,172
I think we owe that to all the voters in the city

4281
04:49:29,172 --> 04:49:31,888
without objection I want to ask the city manager

4282
04:49:31,888 --> 04:49:35,888
and attorney to sit down and figure out how we can email

4283
04:49:35,888 --> 04:49:39,400
all registered voters of the City of Pembroke Pines

4284
04:49:39,400 --> 04:49:43,160
and provide them with a personal copy of this information.

4285
04:49:43,160 --> 04:49:46,884
I want to be very clear that we are not advocating

4286
04:49:46,884 --> 04:49:49,218
for or against anything.

4287
04:49:49,218 --> 04:49:54,180
However, a public forum was held in which

4288
04:49:54,368 --> 04:49:55,718
information was presented.

4289
04:49:55,718 --> 04:49:58,108
The information is now on video and being

4290
04:49:58,108 --> 04:49:59,341
streamed on our website.

4291
04:49:59,341 --> 04:50:02,668
I see no reason why they could not

4292
04:50:02,668 --> 04:50:05,391
be provided to each and every one of the voters,

4293
04:50:05,391 --> 04:50:09,591
so they can look at the information.

4294
04:50:11,848 --> 04:50:17,850
>> I respect your views and those of your colleagues.

4295
04:50:17,850 --> 04:50:18,992
We will look at the statute carefully.

4296
04:50:18,992 --> 04:50:20,688
We've been asked by the administration

4297
04:50:20,688 --> 04:50:24,864
to give guidance as to what 106.113 says.

4298
04:50:24,864 --> 04:50:28,488
There are very expressed reservations and restrictions

4299
04:50:28,488 --> 04:50:33,221
on the statute, which I would never choose to put anyone

4300
04:50:33,221 --> 04:50:35,328
at risk with our mayor.

4301
04:50:35,328 --> 04:50:38,335
I will be blunt about it and you will forgive me

4302
04:50:38,335 --> 04:50:39,752
for being that direct, but there's

4303
04:50:39,752 --> 04:50:42,892
a specific express reference in the statute in terms

4304
04:50:42,892 --> 04:50:45,120
of sending things to electors.

4305
04:50:45,120 --> 04:50:48,256
There may be other ways to get to electors or those

4306
04:50:48,256 --> 04:50:50,656
who are paying attention.

4307
04:50:52,168 --> 04:50:55,640
Commissioner Rodriguez rose the issue.

4308
04:50:55,640 --> 04:50:57,308
You talked about utilizing social media.

4309
04:50:57,308 --> 04:50:59,480
We will look at those options.

4310
04:50:59,480 --> 04:51:01,448
Mayor Castillo: That's fine.

4311
04:51:01,488 --> 04:51:02,859
Let's think of a few.

4312
04:51:02,859 --> 04:51:05,408
Maybe we have to boost it or something.

4313
04:51:05,408 --> 04:51:07,932
I don't know what the answers are.

4314
04:51:07,932 --> 04:51:14,128
People are hungry for this to be educated about this matter.

4315
04:51:14,128 --> 04:51:16,568
Commissioner Rodriguez: For factual and educational

4316
04:51:16,568 --> 04:51:19,320
purposes, I agree people need to know more

4317
04:51:19,320 --> 04:51:22,200
about the Powerpoint of that link.

4318
04:51:22,200 --> 04:51:25,740
But that should not be shared on social media.

4319
04:51:25,740 --> 04:51:31,408
It needs to be more concise and in a more shareable fashion.

4320
04:51:31,408 --> 04:51:33,408
There have been other public forums

4321
04:51:33,408 --> 04:51:34,628
that have been publicized.

4322
04:51:34,628 --> 04:51:38,828
They have good legal teams as well

4323
04:51:39,303 --> 04:51:41,488
that wouldn't put them in jeopardy

4324
04:51:41,488 --> 04:51:44,648
but we could think about doing something of that sort,

4325
04:51:44,648 --> 04:51:48,240
keeping to factual education and information

4326
04:51:48,240 --> 04:51:52,824
only, to make that more accessible to residents.

4327
04:51:52,968 --> 04:51:57,768
It was publicized but not advertised as widely

4328
04:51:58,296 --> 04:52:03,888
as I might have appreciated some people to attend amendment three

4329
04:52:03,888 --> 04:52:07,488
or the budget workshop we had.

4330
04:52:15,648 --> 04:52:17,562
It would be a good idea for us to have

4331
04:52:17,562 --> 04:52:19,560
a public forum on the topic.

4332
04:52:19,560 --> 04:52:25,388
I would prefer for staff to have the presentation and not us.

4333
04:52:25,388 --> 04:52:29,378
I'm hesitant to say we should send it.

4334
04:52:29,378 --> 04:52:31,408
Social media doesn't count as sending

4335
04:52:31,408 --> 04:52:33,968
and another public forum doesn't start as sending.

4336
04:52:33,968 --> 04:52:38,563
Mayor Castillo: If you all want to put together public forums,

4337
04:52:38,563 --> 04:52:40,563
that is fine.

4338
04:52:42,390 --> 04:52:44,790
>> That is fair game.

4339
04:52:46,288 --> 04:52:49,568
This is an important topic for all of us

4340
04:52:49,568 --> 04:52:50,568
in the room and outside.

4341
04:52:50,568 --> 04:52:55,296
It is less about the content because as I've seen the drafts,

4342
04:52:55,296 --> 04:52:57,744
the content is factual and clear.

4343
04:52:57,744 --> 04:53:00,941
They are not argumentative nor advocacy.

4344
04:53:00,941 --> 04:53:03,688
The destination matters under the statute.

4345
04:53:03,688 --> 04:53:11,700
I do not want to use an ugly word but it is "muzzled."

4346
04:53:11,700 --> 04:53:12,888
we've connected many forums.

4347
04:53:12,888 --> 04:53:14,688
You need to be very careful.

4348
04:53:14,688 --> 04:53:16,978
We are being very guarded about making sure

4349
04:53:16,978 --> 04:53:20,688
that although it's a topic upon which we have great concern,

4350
04:53:20,688 --> 04:53:26,248
we don't want to misstep and violate the law unintentionally.

4351
04:53:26,248 --> 04:53:29,768
Mayor Castillo: No one is suggesting we violate the law.

4352
04:53:29,768 --> 04:53:33,160
I think there's a great deal of hunger for information

4353
04:53:33,160 --> 04:53:39,160
that people can rely upon about this very important matter.

4354
04:53:39,240 --> 04:53:42,634
We have that information and should find a way

4355
04:53:42,634 --> 04:53:45,634
that is legal to disseminate.

4356
04:53:48,109 --> 04:53:52,304
Commissioner Schwartz: Attorney, I appreciate your focus on this,

4357
04:53:52,304 --> 04:53:54,304
utilizing third parties.

4358
04:53:54,792 --> 04:54:00,792
The law is explicit to what information there can be,

4359
04:54:03,472 --> 04:54:05,158
how it's gathered and distributed.

4360
04:54:05,158 --> 04:54:11,158
It doesn't just impact elected officials but also the city

4361
04:54:11,418 --> 04:54:12,848
administration.

4362
04:54:12,848 --> 04:54:15,978
I look forward to getting your response

4363
04:54:15,978 --> 04:54:17,696
at the appropriate time.

4364
04:54:17,696 --> 04:54:21,148
It is serious business and I appreciate

4365
04:54:21,148 --> 04:54:23,800
you protecting us from the law.

4366
04:54:23,800 --> 04:54:25,408
>> Thank you very much.

4367
04:54:27,808 --> 04:54:30,424
Commissioner Good, Jr.: I want to reiterate

4368
04:54:30,424 --> 04:54:34,168
that facts are facts but probable solutions

4369
04:54:34,168 --> 04:54:40,168
that were presented is not something I'm supporting at all.

4370
04:54:41,880 --> 04:54:45,888
I stated today that one of the potentials

4371
04:54:46,168 --> 04:54:48,928
was getting rid of all events.

4372
04:54:48,928 --> 04:54:53,912
I'm not interested in supporting that in any case whatsoever.

4373
04:54:53,912 --> 04:54:58,274
I will make that statement at the time

4374
04:54:58,274 --> 04:55:00,928
it will be if it is to be.

4375
04:55:00,928 --> 04:55:02,381
That's not a fact.

4376
04:55:02,381 --> 04:55:03,661
It's a potential.

4377
04:55:03,661 --> 04:55:05,616
It needs to be clear because I will not

4378
04:55:05,616 --> 04:55:07,672
stand behind someone saying this until we

4379
04:55:07,672 --> 04:55:09,619
go through the exercise of what we really are

4380
04:55:09,619 --> 04:55:14,419
going to do to make it a fact.

4381
04:55:14,608 --> 04:55:17,498
What the remedy to the facts is something

4382
04:55:17,498 --> 04:55:21,501
I'm against having being published in a format that

4383
04:55:21,501 --> 04:55:24,968
makes it look like a fact.

4384
04:55:24,968 --> 04:55:28,358
Mayor Castillo: Thank you very much.

4385
04:55:28,358 --> 04:55:30,358
Anything else?

4386
04:55:30,498 --> 04:55:32,898
This meeting is adjourned.

4387
04:55:35,384 --> 04:55:37,384
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