[0:00] 4:00 p.m. you please stand for the
invocation led by commissioner Burton
[0:04] followed by The Pledge by Mr gr
commissioner
[0:09] Grose bow let us pray Our God and
heavenly father as We Gather here
[0:15] tonight we ask you to watch over each
and every person here want you to watch
[0:19] over this board tonight give us wisdom
and guidance as we carry on the mission
[0:24] of the business of the people of Pender
County we also
[0:30] pray
tonight that you keep watch over this
[0:35] country we're going through some
tumultuous and trying times Lord we ask
[0:40] that you guide our
thoughts and as we go forward from this
[0:46] place be with each and every
one in your mighty name Jesus name amen
[0:55] amened I pled alance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
[1:02] Republic for which it stands one nation
under God indivisible with liberty and
[1:09] justice for all thank you if we have any
veterans if you would please remain
[1:13] standing to be
[1:17] recognized thank you
[1:24] all board members we have the uh agenda
you've had a chance to review it there
[1:29] is a couple of amendments to the
agenda uh yes and at this time I'd like
[1:35] to move to adopt the agenda or at this
time I'd like to move to remove items
[1:42] 6.1 and
6.2 uh to be removed to next uh
[1:48] agenda I have a motion to remove 6.1 and
6.2 is there a second second have a
[1:55] second all those in favor raise your
right
[1:57] hand having passed I'd like to approve
the agenda with the exception of 6.1 and
[2:03] 6.2 there a motion is there a second
second all in favor raise your right
[2:08] hand thank you board
members 5.1 public hearing regarding I
[2:14] guess I need to gel into public hearing
public hearing regarding law enforcement
[2:18] center bond insurance Miss
[2:27] blue good evening um I'm Meg blue Pender
County finance director I just wanted to
[2:33] introduce the public hearing for the law
enforcement center Bond
[2:37] issuance um it was noticed in the paper
and has been noticed um I don't know if
[2:43] we have the sign up sheet anywhere okay
great I will get out of the way then
[2:48] okay the uh first individual that we
have is Sheriff Alan Cutler from the
[2:52] Pender County Sheriff's Office
[3:07] good afternoon Mr chairman board members
thank you for having me I just wanted to
[3:15] to get up and speak on this just for
just for a minute I won't take long I
[3:19] wanted to thank everyone who's worked so
hard on this project so far uh getting
[3:23] us to do this point uh the current
conditions of our facility now is is
[3:29] really making it hard to maintain state
inspection requirements uh we're
[3:34] constantly having to perform maintenance
on the buildings uh it puts a strain on
[3:39] County maintenance and uh we do
apologize for that Mr Troy and all of
[3:44] you but uh we do have certain
requirements that we have to meet uh
[3:49] this funding will allow us to provide
for the needs and the growth of the
[3:53] County uh it will ensure the safety of
of our Detention officers and the
[3:58] inmates
[4:03] um I appreciate you allowing me to come
and speak I also wanted to
[4:08] uh give give recognition and thanks to
uh current representative Smith who is
[4:14] the former Sheriff this project started
many years ago or at least discussion
[4:18] about it in some preliminaries uh he's
worked very hard on that and through
[4:23] through legislative action actually had
the land donated that this building is
[4:27] proposed to go on so wanted to give him
recognition and thanks for that but I
[4:32] thank you for your consideration and I
thank you for hearing me
[4:35] today thank you sir thank you the next
speaker is Ed Scott from 65n Road
[4:45] [Music]
[4:50] Ro my name is Ed Scott I live in Swan
Plantation in Rocky Point I have just
[4:54] two simple questions uh number one I'm
just going to increase my real estate
[4:58] taxes
and number two there are at least seven
[5:03] police departments within Pender County
they being in Atkinson bergall Surf City
[5:11] um St Helen
topsul and you might consider Wallace
[5:17] county line runs through it Wallace is
more in the Willington standard
[5:21] metropolitan area than the other side so
it might be counted is there any thought
[5:26] being given to making the new law enfor
forcement Center a a central point for
[5:34] the operations of the police forces
throughout the county just those two
[5:41] questions first off will it increase my
real estate
[5:46] taxes thank you sir we don't respond to
questions we'll have we'll take notes
[5:51] someone will contact you I can't
answer that's wonder that question at
[5:56] this time but I don't think so I think
we're in good
[6:01] she you don't respond to questions no
sir
[6:05] not but we can tell you
[6:15] fantastic that is all that signed up for
the public
[6:21] hearing we are now out of the public
hearing for the
[6:26] bond back to the agenda
[6:33] 6.3 North Carolina ACC youth Summit
presentation
[6:46] Spencer okay good afternoon I just want
to introduce Alex Grover he is a a
[6:51] lifetime 4H member he will be attending
the North Carolina Association of County
[6:56] Commissioners annual conference this
year so he would like to um do his uh
[7:01] requirement of speaking to the County
Commissioners and we also need a picture
[7:05] at the end
[7:08] so good
[7:12] afternoon good afternoon okay there we
go my name is Alex Grover as Mr JY just
[7:17] said I'm here to talk about my 4
experience experiences I've been in 4
[7:24] for nearly 11 years
now I have done a great number of things
[7:28] through 4 that I I probably wouldn't
have done anywhere
[7:31] else it all started when I was about 6
years old and I had went to Summer fund
[7:36] days it's like stem activities and field
trips I've also attended summer camp at
[7:43] two to three 4 summer camps I want to
attend the third one in a few weeks to
[7:49] be for a with oh shoot I'm going to be a
leader in training in
[7:54] L I think I've lost skills to pass on
this is why I wanted to be an L in the
[7:58] first place
more recently I'm a part of pendrick
[8:01] County for team Council in team Council
we have the opportunity to meet new
[8:06] people and schedule our service projects
that we do sometimes our most recent one
[8:12] was with the little library that we
built just over there by the extension
[8:18] building and every year for team have
the opportunity to go to for congress at
[8:23] Congress we have we learn how that our
state is run and last a couple years ago
[8:29] had to opportunity to beat
representative Carson Smith where we
[8:31] discussed local
issues and I look forward to attending
[8:36] youth Voice next month and learning more
about our local government thank you for
[8:40] letting me represent Pender
County well done thank
[8:44] [Applause]
you so we some of us will see you there
[8:51] yeah some of us will see you there come
up and take your picture
[8:59] yeah of we'll stand behind you best we
can oh we can come
[9:06] around we can go around there whichever
easy go around there Mr M this is a
[9:12] start of an illustrious career we need
to do it right that's right
[9:30] it's
[9:48] hard congratulations
[9:53] [Applause]
[Music]
[10:16] we are now public comment yes sir
chairman we have uh four individuals
[10:21] signed up for public comment tonight the
first is Clarence E and there is not an
[10:27] address listed
so as a speaker comes forward I have
[10:31] this public comment uh message I need to
read speakers will be acknowledged by
[10:35] the board of commiss board chair person
in the order in which the names appear
[10:39] on the sheet speaker shall address the
board from the podium and begin comments
[10:43] by stating name and address speakers
shall be courteous and respectful in
[10:48] their remarks and shall refrain from
personal attacks and the use of
[10:51] profanity and discussion of
personnel or other matters deemed
[10:56] confidential by law and you have 3
minutes
[11:00] thank you yes sir my name is Clarence
leelan Eaton give a name friends call me
[11:06] Captain Clark past 40 plus
years thank y' all for taking your time
[11:12] to listen to my little problem I have I
brought a couple of friends with me if
[11:17] you'd raise your hands to little show of
support right there to people that
[11:21] Believe in Us my wife and I it's my wife
over there in the red we've been married
[11:25] for 19th of this month will be um
52 years you started forgot didn't you
[11:34] almost missed
[11:37] up and uh we moved up here from Florida
I was raised right here in Pender County
[11:43] started school over here burgo miss
Taylor was my first grade teacher cute
[11:47] little thing she had a little ruler
she'd Spanky with but anyhow uh we moved
[11:54] up here we got a piece of property back
on our family family land to Ramsey land
[11:59] out on Highway 53 o Ramsey
property I'm a little
[12:05] nervous and I'm reading and uh we got a
citation for um that darn it Citation
[12:14] for
U because we live in a camper they call
[12:19] it a camper I call it home we live in an
RV we brought it up from Florida with us
[12:23] put it on our property out there we've
been living there for 4 years we had no
[12:28] problem with none of our neighbors would
get along with all of our people uh I
[12:33] think a lot of all of our neighbors that
came in and supported us today and uh
[12:38] they're neighbors we get along we do
things for one another and they cannot
[12:42] believe this law has been on the books
since
[12:46] 1988 that no one can live in an RV in
Pender County since
[12:52] 19 no 2016 that first flood come through
first big flood in the century come
[12:58] through that should have been took off
the books give people their freedom
[13:02] their life back 2018 come by God painted
some ugly on this country people had to
[13:08] live wherever they could live some of
them was lucky enough to have an RV to
[13:11] live in some wasn't they had to live in
motels and
[13:15] whatever but uh that law needs to be
looked at really hard it might have been
[13:20] good back in 1988 I don't know about
that but today we live in an RV I got a
[13:27] citation for for living in it I didn't
know I was breaking the law and now I'm
[13:32] a criminal I'm a criminal I'm 79 years
old 78 years old my wife will be she's
[13:39] old
[Music]
[13:41] too and
uh I don't I just don't have a lot more
[13:46] to to say have I passed my time yet you
got a few seconds okay um I wish y'all
[13:53] would give it a a lot of thought about
helping us I've spoke to a couple of
[13:57] people and they've um
all I get I get a lot of I I understand
[14:02] I understand I understand well they
don't really understand we're old and we
[14:08] look our tent days are over with now
we've had some tent days and enjoyed
[14:12] them but I will not enjoy them now and I
was told I could live in a tent on my
[14:17] property but I couldn't live in my they
call it RV in my home air conditioned
[14:22] all my medicines are in there all of our
medicines it has to be kept at a certain
[14:27] temperature but I could live in a 10 out
there in the yard don't make a lot of
[14:32] sense to me and in closing I'd like to
thank y'all for listening to me I'd like
[14:37] to thank my friends and neighbors for
coming and supporting
[14:40] me all right thank you sir good friends
good friends
[14:46] and have have y'all rather me would
y'all feel more comfortable I'm sorry go
[14:51] ahead did they get do his address on
there yes it's actually it's
[14:56] 805 if if I got just a second
what brought this about was to save $72
[15:04] a year $72 don't sound like nothing used
to not be nothing to me but it is now so
[15:09] I asked the mail carrier what would it
take for me to put a mail get a mailbox
[15:13] get my address my out there where we
live at just put a mailbox up there put
[15:18] your address on you get your mail well I
got a a thing in the mail my address is
[15:24] not recognized 805 old Ramsey Road is
not a recognized address address well
[15:29] it's been I've recognized address for 20
years give or take a day or
[15:35] to this m go anyway that's the address
we used and I didn't understand I went
[15:43] there to help them under get help me
understand why I needed to go to the
[15:48] Pender County Board planning
department to get my address it's not a
[15:53] recognized address they couldn't they
didn't explain it to me they said
[15:57] something about the emergency thing okay
okay well unfortunately I had to call
[16:01] the 911 for my wife she had no trouble
they had no trouble finding our place
[16:06] the emergency people no trouble finding
805 old Ramsey
[16:11] Road later on I have understood that
that's
[16:15] changed changed up here because of the
uh emergency systems that's
[16:22] out and I think I'm still going to need
a 911 uh
[16:27] emergency thing for some kind of address
for where we live at out there and uh so
[16:34] my ignorance not stupidity but ignorance
of the way things are done now with that
[16:39] system I didn't understand it and I
apologize to the world for
[16:42] it that's all I got thank you sir to say
I went to this house the other day and I
[16:48] observe what's going on so I really um
hope something we can help these guys
[16:53] out with I mean get to the point they
can't afford a house um they have a your
[16:59] time it's put in it's working and
so we's see what we can do thank you we
[17:05] have a beautiful home thank
[17:10] you you're blessed with good friends too
yes yes yes thank you good friend all
[17:18] right the next speaker is Wanda Eaton at
805 old
[17:23] Ram okay right all right the next
speaker then is Rob Gillian at 149 East
[17:31] Bailey
[17:51] Lane look like another picture
[18:00] is there one more
she she's a sister
[18:05] oh we got the family
here uh I would like to say thank you um
[18:13] to for allowing us to speak today first
off I would like to say thanks for the
[18:18] partnership with Pender County Parks and
Rec uh the job that Zach and his team
[18:23] does for us at kuanana Park has helped
us flourish and grow as a league uh when
[18:28] I started help running this league in
2019 we were about 68 girls we have
[18:33] grown it up to 167 girls this year um
this is the first time ever in the topso
[18:40] girls softball um history that we are
aware of that this is the first time
[18:45] we've been able to make it to the World
Series uh we're very proud of these
[18:49] girls for the
[Applause]
[18:55] effort we're very proud for the effort
that theyve put in all the hard work I
[19:00] have been coaching majority of these
girls since
[19:03] 2019 uh just to see where they've grown
and where they've come from um not even
[19:08] including that but just the character
that they have uh not only did we get
[19:12] invited to the World Series they also
won the state sportsmanship award which
[19:17] is one of the highest Awards you can get
in Dixie Softball for the entire state
[19:20] for our entire age group as well
[Applause]
[19:29] I will also say with that we did have
two other age groups win the
[19:32] sportsmanship award um in U and 10U
during the districts that's something
[19:37] that we're very proud of and that we
push that we want to be a representation
[19:42] of what this community is um and we
really thank you for listening to us
[19:46] today and all the um Partnerships that
we've had with Pender County Parks and R
[19:52] you know the only thing that I ask is if
you have any resources or any help that
[19:56] you can provide for these girls as we go
down to East waa Louisiana which is
[20:02] Monroe Louisiana um we would greatly
appreciate it um you know not only did
[20:07] we just spend 5 days in Belmont North
Carolina now we have to travel down to
[20:11] East waa and spend another about week
down there so any anything that you
[20:17] could help and provide and um just be a
partner with us we greatly appreciate it
[20:22] and we look to continue to grow our
league and flourish at ku's Park thank
[20:29] y'all thank
[Applause]
[20:33] you so I do have one quick question or
one quick comment or couple quick
[20:37] comments I see coach Jay's back here
coach Jay was at Harrington was there
[20:42] when I was the the leader of that
organization way back when my daughter
[20:46] is getting married now it's been that
long ago um so it's come a long way it's
[20:50] great to see the girls we went to the
first state at that time as a 8U team um
[20:55] no 10U team with my daughter and that's
amazing to see that going to the World
[21:00] Series congratulations which which one
are you doing yall doing xplay or y'all
[21:04] doing traditional traditional tradition
traditional cool deal that's good to see
[21:09] can we get a a picture
um congratulations ladies that's
[21:15] awesome very proud of
[21:21] stand stand back here behind you I saw a
couple other little girls back there
[21:27] with the uniforms on
they sisters
[21:31] oh they get to go have fun
[21:46] and congratulations again good luck good
[21:55] luck Mr manager do you have their
contact coach's contact
[22:04] information he's got your number just
just real quick on the the follow along
[22:09] with that bergall um Dixie Youth also
has a team that's going to participate
[22:13] in the World Series in Leiana and they
were supposed to be here tonight but
[22:17] their coach had um a heat heat
exhaustion I think they said so they're
[22:22] not they're not making it tonight to be
recognized but so burgal Dixie Youth has
[22:26] a team going and topsel Dixie Youth has
team well that's pretty impressive for
[22:29] the
county is that there's one more speaker
[22:34] chairman it is Shane fley 265 Riverview
[22:43] Drive hello uh I've been invited here by
Clark who I've known for the past two
[22:49] years I'm a PA resident and I bought
property on a Riverview Drive and when
[22:56] he brought up the the topic of RV I've
actually gone through that too I I
[23:02] purchased land with a with a gift house
that was flooded so I've been working on
[23:08] that the past two years and uh
originally uh I wanted to get an RV and
[23:14] put it on the property and I was told
you're not allowed to have power you're
[23:20] not allowed to have an RV pretty much
the same thing so I just wanted to uh
[23:24] come show my support for Clark and also
I would like to move down here and you
[23:30] know that become my residence but uh
getting a service Pole or getting
[23:34] electric or getting anything done has
been I would say tremendously difficult
[23:40] from Pennsylvania coming down here just
to Pender County I've looked in Oslo
[23:45] I've looked you know other states um but
again I'd like to show my support for
[23:51] Clark and if you if you could
re-evaluate that whole RV thing for
[23:57] someone like me that lives lives out of
state and works out of state and wants
[24:00] to move down here uh I do have nice
property 4 Acres I'm working on the
[24:04] house I was told I could clean uh which
I have been and got the house but I I
[24:11] don't have power I don't have water uh
so if you could look into that I think
[24:17] it needs to be it's time for it to be
re-evaluated and I understand the whole
[24:22] uh with Florence with the the flooding
and seeing the whole County underwater
[24:28] with is just incredible to me I live in
wsar so I'm actually in a flood zone so
[24:35] I go from one flood zone to to the next
and I've I've never been flooded yet but
[24:41] for from an outof State perspective I
would like the opportunity to bring an
[24:46] RV and place it on the property uh not
and not trash it up you know the
[24:52] property but just have a work site thank
you for your time thank you thank you
[24:58] that concludes public
comment moving along to consent agenda
[25:04] board members youve had a chance to
review the consent agenda is there a
[25:07] motion to approve the consent agenda
motion to approve have a motion is there
[25:11] a second second all those in favor raise
your right
[25:14] hand thank you sir thank you Captain
Clark
[25:38] just give a second to clear the room
then we'll start
[25:46] back 9.1 approval of resolution
requesting assistance to declare a
[25:51] disaster declaration for the farmers
impacted by the
[25:54] 2024
drought like
[26:03] good afternoon Commissioners I'm Mark
sites I'm the county Cooperative
[26:06] Extension director um the resolution
before you is mainly to recognize the
[26:14] fact that this has been one of the worst
drought years that we've seen in eastern
[26:20] North Carolina um I've lived here 20
years and
[26:26] and we've had other Dr but I think the
the main problem with this one is it
[26:31] started earlier than it normally would
hit us our corn crop is um Statewide our
[26:39] state extension corn specialist is
estimating we might see a state average
[26:44] yield of 60 bushs to the acre which is
probably 120 bushel below what our
[26:51] potential what our average was last
year um the cost of production just to
[26:59] break even for most Farmers is somewhere
in the neighborhood of 150 to 160 buels
[27:04] to the
acre the um the damage from the drought
[27:09] in our corn crop is
severe um the rain that we got last week
[27:15] will help our
soybeans it'll help with a a little bit
[27:20] with our
pasture um and our hay crops later this
[27:24] summer and fall if we keep getting rain
um
[27:28] but you know we got rain Thursday and
Friday last week or Wednesday Thursday
[27:33] Friday and now we we're in our second
day of almost 100° heat that is supposed
[27:39] to be on top of us and all that water
that we just got is just
[27:44] disappearing um there are fields that
I've been in that even with the rain
[27:51] um you almost can't get a shovel in the
ground the subsoils are so dry it's like
[27:57] concrete
and so this declaration basically is a
[28:03] request to the governor to try to speed
up the process of getting a disaster
[28:08] declared um other counties are have
asked me for a copy of this resolution
[28:15] to for their Commissioners to um go
forward with the same kind of
[28:21] Declaration I don't know personally all
the details of of the financial side of
[28:28] what a death disaster declaration
will um provide in terms of relief for
[28:35] Farmers but as you all know the federal
government does not work quickly and so
[28:42] if we can get the process started now
versus September October
[28:48] November um then at least we're two or
three months ahead of the game and I
[28:53] have a question if you have crop
insurance does that cover
[28:56] drought crop insurance will cover a
portion of the losses and again I don't
[29:03] know the real details of of how you know
what a disaster declaration will provide
[29:11] in terms of relief funding for
farms in addition to the crop insurance
[29:18] I I I don't know all those details but
um if there's any assistance that could
[29:24] be made or given to Farmers in North
Carolina um in addition to crop
[29:31] insurance then that process just needs
to get started and that's pretty much
[29:36] what this declaration is asking
for so I listen to the Southern Farm
[29:42] Network every morning I think it is when
I go on my way to work and there's so
[29:46] start to gain momentum Statewide and not
in South Carolina
[29:50] also try to have these resolutions and
declarations made to try to start
[29:55] getting some relief ahead of time as you
said they were saying on there you know
[29:58] this is early this is early to be
calling for it it's usually after a
[30:02] storm or at the end of the crop season
when when things turn out so bad but
[30:07] they can predict that the the crops
start will be there now because there's
[30:10] no rain well and and as if you look at
the rainfall pattern from last week the
[30:17] this burga Corridor bergar to Wallace
got a pretty good amount of rain we got
[30:22] four four to seven or maybe 8 inches of
rain the coastal side of the county got
[30:28] less than an inch the Atkinson side of
the county got less than an inch so you
[30:34] know we're not out of this drought yet
and and when we have 100 plus degree
[30:38] heat indexes you know I I've been
telling people you equate it to you and
[30:44] I having to live outdoors in a tent 24
hours a day in these kind of
[30:49] temperatures our crops are out there 24
hours a day they're stressed they're
[30:54] really struggling to try to stay alive
they're not putting the energy in that
[30:59] they normally would do to produce seed
and to produce kernels um and the hay
[31:05] crop has been dormant I've talked to
some people that make hay they haven't
[31:10] even gotten a second cutting of hay off
this year they got an A first cutting in
[31:15] May and the grass just went dormant just
it's not growing so there's people that
[31:21] are feeding cattle hay to right now
normally we wouldn't be feeding hay
[31:27] until December January February yeah I'm
supplementing my hes through the summer
[31:32] which I've never had to do before so I
have a question is there any reason that
[31:36] you have specified soybean and corn
farms in the county would we be limiting
[31:43] our request for assistance for the soy
beans and corn crop or their truck crops
[31:49] and and other types of produce uh and
farm production that could be involved
[31:55] in and would we not be better SU to just
to pull out soybeans and corn yeah
[32:01] that's that's probably correct we should
probably broaden that request because
[32:05] our blueberry Growers have been having
to
[32:09] irrigate which basically sets the plant
up for next year's crop without water
[32:16] they're those plants are not setting
buds they're not setting flower leaf
[32:19] tissue they're just not thriving so yeah
there's other crops that will be
[32:25] affected by this as well
[32:30] I guess when I when I wrote this corn
and soybeans was just stuck in my
[32:34] head on your mind right now um so with
that I would like to make a motion that
[32:41] we approve uh this resolution requesting
a declaration for disaster for Farmers
[32:49] impacted by drought in 2024 growing
season um with the caveat that we would
[32:56] exclude uh specific it of soybeans and
corn and related to all all crops that
[33:03] are impacted in this growing
season second have a motion a second all
[33:09] those in favor raise your right
hand thank you thank you for bringing
[33:14] that that's thank
[33:21] you 89.2 accept North Carolina emergency
management capacity building competitive
[33:27] Grant
Mr Batson good afternoon chairman and
[33:31] fellow board members pter County
Emergency manager requesting the board
[33:34] to accept the grant the cbcg grant
budget amendment and PO for Company
[33:39] Wrench in early 2024 pend County
Emergency Management staff applied for
[33:42] the North Carolina emergency
management capability building
[33:46] competitive grant program the full grant
for the FY 24e was funding with $11.92
[33:53] five million with a cap of 200,000 Per
County to be for this grant program the
[33:58] counties must have a population of
230,000 or fewer based on the 2021
[34:04] certified County population estimates
from the state the grant for Pender
[34:08] County Emergency Management was 1ou or
[34:24] $127,600 lbs and other palletized items
perer County was one of 19 counties
[34:29] awarded the CBC 2024 grants the
equipment is on site and ready for
[34:34] pickup and will be ready to be used
prior to the peak of Hurricane Season
[34:39] the only cost to the county is the tags
for the trailer which we will cover in
[34:43] the current budget so we're requesting
for this cbcg grant to be accepted the
[34:48] budget amendment and a PO to Company
Wrench out of Smithville North Carolina
[34:52] so we got to pay for the tag we got to
pay for the tags on the trailer but the
[34:56] trailer in the fort wol will be ours and
we can use it as needed to help all
[35:00] County entities and other agencies
what's the difference between a forklift
[35:04] and a skitter a skitter is a to my
knowledge it's the use for land clearing
[35:10] or a skid steer is the little track
machine like they use in a parking lot
[35:15] but this is the
4x4 all terrain that we use in a parking
[35:18] lot we can use in a building and some of
the problems we've had currently is the
[35:22] EM Port LIF is only used on concrete or
asphalt and the rocks will tend to get
[35:27] stuck in this will be used to move our
palletized equipment during storms or
[35:31] unload and load tractor trailers when
it's not in use can other departments
[35:35] use it other County entities can use it
and I've worked I've talked to Troy and
[35:38] the guys at facility to partner with
them and work together to use it for
[35:42] other County needs during non- disaster
times as well as other counties across
[35:46] the state since it was state
funded outstanding outstanding work Mr
[35:53] Batson especially on finding a grant
that's no strings attached Grant that's
[35:57] great that's
usual Mr M you had something I I'm Mak a
[36:02] motion I made a motion to approve it
motions there and a second all in favor
[36:06] raise your right hand thank you Tommy
thank
[36:12] you n.3 approval the HUD requested
Housing Opportunity through
[36:17] modernization Act of 2016 admin plan
wow
[36:25] L good evening Commissioners my name
name is suava I'm the Pender County
[36:29] Housing director and today I'm
requesting approval of our new admin
[36:35] plan which is the Housing Opportunity
through modernization act um we did not
[36:41] put one in front of you because it's 365
pages long we do have we have so there's
[36:47] one at the County's manager if um office
if you want to go ahead and review it
[36:51] and we will also have one in our
department
[36:55] also and ours has not been updated since
[37:00] 2016 is there any question board members
Lexi had sent out a notice last week
[37:04] that she had it
available motion approved a motion to
[37:09] approve is there a
second a second all those a favor raise
[37:13] your right hand thank you thank
[37:18] you approval of updated Pender County
procurement policy effective July 15
[37:24] 2024
[37:30] good afternoon
again um this is the County's
[37:35] procurement policy which applies to all
County departments including um
[37:41] utilities and it basically governs how
we are permitted to procure anything
[37:48] funded with federal state or local funds
um there are differences in the
[37:53] requirements based on where the original
money comes from
[37:57] um I will say that if there's even a
dollar of federal or state funding that
[38:03] all their rules apply to every dollar
that's part of the project or the
[38:06] contract um there's not a lot of
substantial change to this policy it's
[38:12] it's very much like our previous policy
it puts some things in writing that
[38:18] maybe we just were doing as a best
practice um the the biggest change is it
[38:24] does give a little more authority to the
county manager to approve things that
[38:31] the board has already approved so it
will eliminate some of the we just did
[38:37] this in budget now we got to do this all
over again we just approved this
[38:40] contract last year let's get it approved
again um he would have the authority to
[38:45] approve those on behalf of the board as
long as they are inconsistent with what
[38:50] the board originally
approved um and terminate contracts as
[38:56] well um trying to think of the other
major things that it does um it
[39:01] streamlines some of the
um threshold the different thresholds as
[39:08] to be more consistent with federal and
state previously our policy was a lot
[39:13] more restrictive than federal or state
um this gets it a little closer to being
[39:18] consistent with
those um and then it also talks about
[39:23] change orders and how those will um be
processed which we already do change
[39:28] orders it just puts the process kind of
on
[39:32] paper um I believe I emailed this out a
couple of weeks ago uh if you have any
[39:38] questions I'm happy to answer them um
but we're we're pretty excited about it
[39:44] um we've worked really hard on it and um
we would appreciate you approving it is
[39:48] there any questions Miss blue emailed
this week or two ago it was all the
[39:52] changes were in pretty green highlights
they were very easy to see um is there
[39:58] any questions or comments if not is
there a motion motion to approve I have
[40:02] a motion to approve is there a second
second have a motion to Second all those
[40:06] in favor raise your right
hand thank you very much anything to
[40:11] streamline the process thank you Miss BL
yes and she's going to stay right there
[40:16] for a while I am approval on the law
enforcement center project
[40:21] authorization yes so 9.5 is uh 9.5 and
9.6 go together um and I will not take
[40:31] full credit for this um Mr Bob Jessup
with uh Sanford holshouser is in the
[40:35] audience and he is happy to answer any
of the legal technical questions that
[40:40] you may have um basically 9.5 approves a
resolution supporting the application to
[40:46] the local government commission for the
financing agreement for the law
[40:50] enforcement
center um we have we're in the process
[40:55] of working with the LGC to get that on
their next agenda and
[41:00] 9.6 obviously you probably approve them
separately but 9.6 basically approves
[41:05] the documents um they're in draft form
here but um it approves the documents
[41:10] and the um terms of the
[41:15] financing is there any can I address the
questions that came up a little earlier
[41:19] in the public hearing you thought the
tax the tax issue or the um I can
[41:25] attempt at both of them but I'll go the
tax one first because I know they answer
[41:28] to that one um
the repayment of The Debt Service for
[41:36] this financing has already been included
in our current tax rate so there will be
[41:43] no tax rate increase based on the
approval of this
[41:49] financing we know we interest right we
going to be able to get we're working on
[41:54] that um right now time that's right
we're working on locking that and we'll
[41:58] have I I should have the answer to you
by the next
[42:01] meeting um I just don't want to speak
out of turn and not I just want to say U
[42:06] I know it's a really need this building
and all my concern is protected our our
[42:12] credit rating for the county doua I know
we said we were we were covered on that
[42:16] but uh down the road I know we just keep
adding stuff to it so
[42:21] um anyway I know right now this is all
I'm be with this that's about
[42:27] overloading it down everything else down
like overloading a credit
[42:31] card I understand um as far as the
regionalization of using the law
[42:38] enforcement center
for the entire County purposes it will
[42:42] house the entire County's uh 911 system
um dispatch and that that will
[42:50] communicate with every
agency law
[42:54] police EMS fire
um all the above um and it will have
[43:02] some
Regional applications and agencies
[43:07] associated with it but as far as like
housing the Surf City fire or um excuse
[43:13] me police department that's not really
logistically going to work um but but we
[43:19] are we have an the Sheriff's Office can
correct me if I'm wrong but there are
[43:24] some thoughts about as
as Consolidated as we can get being
[43:30] efficient with what we're doing for sure
and hopefully some other counties will
[43:34] like we doing now we pay other anel Lo
some other counties to keep some of
[43:39] mar um inm and so they could we could
make money off that I guess you know
[43:43] people coming in to pay we do have some
of our inmates out of County yes you're
[43:48] correct um and that would alleviate some
of that as well you're you're correct M
[43:54] do you have any question or or any idea
of like the last couple of
[43:59] years how much we've
spent as a County Housing inmates
[44:04] outside of the
cam I do um I would say probably about
[44:11] four or five years ago it was in the
realm of $750,000 a year talking about
[44:15] after Co after Co start before Co before
Co it was okay after Co um Co
[44:22] drastically reduced that um because they
weren't taking they weren't allowing it
[44:28] um and as far as the numbers they can
they can they may speak to that better
[44:32] than I can but um as far as the dollars
it's been between
[44:39] 150,000 to 100,000 a
year thank you as are Ballpark don't
[44:47] hold me to exact numbers but last time I
checked well hopefully with a new jail
[44:53] and a new law enforcement center we can
turn the tide and start housing some
[44:57] federal inmates and some other County
inmates and start making a little
[45:00] revenue for our County I I believe that
um the sheriff's office has shared with
[45:05] the um folks the last time we had this
conversation that that would be a
[45:09] possibility to be part of that federal
inmate housing be
[45:16] great any other questions or comments on
either 9.5 or
[45:25] 9.6 if not is there motion to approve
9.5 I make a motion to approve 9.5 have
[45:31] a motion is there a
second
[45:37] second motion to Second all those in
favor raise your right
[45:42] hand just point of clarification if I
may um we are doing an inst installment
[45:50] financing in addition to some bonding
can you briefly very briefly go over the
[45:56] financing on this project sure um it is
limited obligation bonds which will be
[46:04] backed in collateral by the law
enforcement center itself um so a
[46:10] general obligation Bond would be backed
by
[46:14] the taxing power of the county um but
this will be backed by the actual law
[46:20] enforcement center itself um we are it
it will sell Bonds in the Capital
[46:27] markets it will be 20 years um we're
still working on the interest rate but
[46:34] um you know those are those fluctuate
until you lock them in um um Mr chair to
[46:42] to commissioner McCoy's point with
regards um Bond could we have a word
[46:49] from our a bond representative as to
that issue and how we're standing on a
[46:55] bond rating with the County
if if he's prepared to do so would like
[47:03] to Mr Jess want to do that Mr Mr Jessup
oh and um sorry we also have Ben Wilson
[47:11] with Davenport here with us um so we
have the legal and the financial folks
[47:17] um with us today and if you want to take
it you're Happ I'm happy to throw that
[47:24] one to you thank you would you mind
repeating the question it was a little
[47:28] bit hard to hear back there the the bond
process and how uh what our bond what
[47:34] our County Bond rating is yes and how
this project will affect uh if any our
[47:40] bond rating right so as far as the bond
rating goes we had conversations with
[47:46] the rating agencies about actually two
weeks ago today um they are working
[47:51] through their analysis and we should get
results from them within the next week
[47:54] or so um we don't expect your bond
ratings to change and really this Bond
[48:00] issuance the debt that is issued by the
county is only a small piece of the
[48:05] entire puzzle that they put together to
determine what your rating is and they
[48:10] understand that as an expanding County
you're going to have Capital needs and
[48:15] they recognize that you all have been
planning for this for the past several
[48:20] years um so the issuance of this these
new bonds is not a concern really from
[48:26] the credit pers perspective um and we we
expect that those ratings will at least
[48:31] be at the level that they are currently
what is our rating is a double A so you
[48:36] start the highest is Triple A and then
there's and and that rating will give us
[48:43] favorable uh terms yes ma'am that's the
highest possible rating is AAA and you
[48:48] are just below that in the double A
Range if account have a AAA I think you
[48:52] know yeah what he said it's very it's
very difficult to get a AAA r good yeah
[48:57] and they again they take into account a
lot of different things economics the
[49:02] debt you all have your finances
everything so so there's a lot that goes
[49:05] into that okay great thank you thank
you yes and one of the one of the larger
[49:12] things which is go speaks to your
concern commissioner McCoy that they
[49:15] consider in that rating is one thing
that we can't change which is our
[49:19] location next to the coast um it it's it
inherently is just a risk that we have
[49:26] to
um contend with but we do plan
[49:29] accordingly and they appreciate
that so thank you for your concern
[49:34] because that's and thank
[49:37] you sure moving to
9.6 is there any
[49:43] questions 9.6 is not is there a motion
to
[49:47] approve make a motion to approve is
there a
[49:51] second I'll second all those in favor
raise your right hand
[50:00] 9.7 approval of contract and purchase
order to Daniels and Daniels for
[50:04] construction of the law enforcement
center
[50:08] project so um Mosley Architects is our
architect that we awarded our um design
[50:14] contract to some time
ago um they have been working on putting
[50:21] this bid out for the construction
portion of this project this is a design
[50:26] bid build
um this project the the bid tab is
[50:30] included and Daniels and Daniels is um
the the pro or
[50:37] recommended vendor um based on their
proposal um and so our request is that
[50:45] you would approve the contract to be
awarded to Daniels and Daniels um the
[50:50] purchase order to go along with
[50:55] it we have a motion
I mean do I have a motion to approve 9.8
[50:59] motion to approve is there a second
second all those in favor raise your
[51:04] right
hand that was 9.7 sorry
[51:08] Lex I need to do that again I'm up with
speed
[51:14] we all right sorry about that motion to
approve
[51:18] 9.7 is there a second second all those
in favor raise
[51:23] your now we're at 9.8 approval of budget
amendment to the entire law enforcement
[51:28] center
project yes so this budget amendment
[51:33] although it looks complicated is um
simply to budget for the entire project
[51:41] design and
construction and repay the county back
[51:46] the portions that were upfront during
the design base of this project so
[51:54] that's why you see the transfer back to
the general fund
[52:00] and it's based on all of the information
previously approved so what we've
[52:06] already spent can be capitalized back
into the debt on the project that is
[52:10] correct
okay is there a motion to approve 9.8
[52:15] motion approved is there a
second I'll second I in favor raise your
[52:21] right
hand so we're finally getting a new jail
[52:25] all right that's it for me after several
years
[52:32] [Applause]
try 9.9 approval purchase order for
[52:37] one-year hardware and software support
from Dale good afternoon Commissioners
[52:42] marel Miranda director of Pender County
it uh here requesting uh the approval of
[52:48] a purchase order to Dell Inc for
[52:52] $17319 uh this is year maintenance and
support for our uh for our core
[53:00] virtualization infrastructure and we
need to continue that uh support to core
[53:07] virtualization infastructure correct
what does that mean that means that all
[53:11] of our internal supported systems such
as our financial system our Erp system
[53:16] GIS uh our tax system uh our Enterprise
permitting and Licensing system all of
[53:23] these run internally on our
virtualization infrastructure
[53:28] okay so munus works on top of correct
the Dale virtualization okay I got
[53:37] you this is being brought to you today
because it is over 30,000 and it is uh
[53:43] it is with a new vendor this is going
direct with the manufacturer Dell as
[53:46] opposed to a third party value added
[53:51] reseller say that
again cut out the they cut out the midd
[53:56] man oh okay gotta okay good all right I
like that last year how how how much
[54:00] savings does this afford US uh I
wouldn't put this in terms of savings
[54:06] because uh typically this would be
rolled into the lease um however
[54:12] uh the lease was currently rerolled uh
without Support Services did we shop for
[54:18] any savings on this is this something
that we
[54:22] could uh going direct to Dell is the
lowest is a lowest first support the
[54:26] only other real option is third party
value added reseller which in the past
[54:30] has been typically much higher okaycome
Mr Miranda is the um de support police
[54:37] tment are in the United States uh yes
sir they are okay thank you I got a
[54:43] question how come I have last several
days every two days I have to boot my
[54:46] computer C computer why is
that if it's been offline for an
[54:51] extended amount of time uh you probably
had several critical patches that need
[54:55] to apply uh so the second that it comes
online it's out of compliance and is
[54:59] trying to catch up we are going to be
working on that reboot reboot Time
[55:04] schedule though very
[55:07] soon I have a motion to approve
9.9 I a motion to approve second I have
[55:13] a motion in a second all those in favor
raise your right hand thank you very
[55:17] much thank
you approval of a budget amendment and
[55:22] purchase order for replacement generator
for the sheriff and 911 facilities and
[55:26] there's a stranger coming to the
podium we to see you quite frequently
[55:32] glad to see you it's
be yes sir by the visit every once in a
[55:36] while motion to
approve that's way that's the way we
[55:40] like um good evening chairman and fellow
Commissioners uh we bring to you tonight
[55:45] for the replacement of the LC standby
generator the generator at the Sheriff's
[55:49] Office and now1 facility has exceeded
its aspected lifespan has and has become
[55:54] increasingly
unreliable frequent malfunctions and the
[55:57] rising cost of repairs have prompted us
to explore numerous replacement options
[56:02] the sheriff's office has looked at the
sheriff's ass Sheriff's Association
[56:07] Statewide Co-op purchase program for the
generator and we've reached out to a
[56:13] local vendor to do the
installation the generator is
[56:17] $65,625 and the local installation is
$26,670 that would come from the general
[56:25] fund if there's no questions we ask for
it to be
[56:29] approved how old is the generator the
current generator is over 15 years old
[56:34] and how much has been spent in the last
year on repairs if roughly around 3500
[56:45] but the issue is the Standalone fuel
tank that goes with this generator is
[56:50] like your old old drum we're really
needing to get it upgraded where we have
[56:55] a you bigger add bigger slab and the
generator on top of the fuel cell that's
[57:01] one of the main issues that is causing
some of the problems with the generator
[57:04] is that we've had it cleaned and we've
had it
[57:09] um the fuel we've had it cleaned as well
and it's new but it's the old oil style
[57:15] old oil style drum that's on the ground
and it's been there
[57:18] for I mean it to me it was there before
I don't know I I've been here 5 years
[57:22] but the the fuel cell seems to be like
it was there before the generator was
[57:26] honestly but I don't know who could ask
that question who would answer that
[57:29] question well how expensive would it be
to replace that
[57:35] component that we didn't explore that
because it was already having issues
[57:38] with the generator through the system
with the sludge that went through it and
[57:42] we we with the age of it and this
generator is our 911 backup center
[57:48] protectant for the when LC has moved out
there our 911 Center will stay there as
[57:54] a backup center during problem times and
we really didn't want to piece it we
[57:59] wanted to
go
[58:02] full scale I guess you'd say is it
possible that we could get a less
[58:06] expensive backup for those
hypercritical
[58:11] functions um because we've just approved
a great expenditure for facility for law
[58:19] enforcement yes this is the cheapest uh
option is going through the Sheriff's
[58:24] Association to purchase the generator
and and have a local vendor do the
[58:27] installation the other bids were over
[58:33] $100,000 would that generator be able to
be repurposed to the new law enforcement
[58:39] center the current generator
is possible that it could be repurposed
[58:46] um but it would take a I'm talking about
the new one the well the 911 backup
[58:52] center will be in the current LC so we
need a appropriate generator to fully
[58:59] power the facility so the 911 backup
center that's correct yes so we'll have
[59:04] two 911 centers we'll have a primary
site and a backup site we currently have
[59:08] that now with the backup being at the
EOC and is a state
[59:13] mandated General statute that we have
that is this going to be a budget
[59:20] allocation for law enforcement are y'all
splitting this with EMS and Fire
[59:26] for budgetary purpos budgetary purposes
this was originally set in for
[59:36] facilities that is
correct back to the general fund that
[59:40] correct I'm sorry I said that again
money not used we were notable to
[59:44] execute last fiscal year so the money
that was unused rolled over into the
[59:49] general fund so we're oh oh so this was
a budget item from last year okay I got
[59:55] you that it was budgeted yes okay but
not was it budgeted for this past budget
[1:00:02] that we've just approved No
Ma'am why not we
[1:00:08] were the best way to describe this we've
reached out to several vendors and
[1:00:13] waited for them to respond and they're
they have not responded in a timely
[1:00:18] fashion so it's caused us to reach out
to other vendors who still did not get
[1:00:22] back with us so that's why we're having
to peace meal
[1:00:26] purchasing the generator but but you
didn't plug in this item into your
[1:00:31] budget I can't
[Music]
[1:00:33] remember this was not a carry or we did
not you didn't carry it out all
[1:00:39] right last year's money how much went
back
[1:00:43] in what I think we budgeted 80 I'm sorry
I think it was 80 around
[1:00:49] 88,000 that was budgeted for it so the
money's there the money's there yes sir
[1:00:54] fund for that and he's got to have a new
that's
[1:01:02] correct so generator
65,8 75 and installation expense of
[1:01:10] 26,00 640 that's correct yes
[1:01:23] ma'am any other questions
if not is there a motion for
[1:01:34] 9.10 I make a motion to approve second I
have a motion to Second all those in
[1:01:38] favor raise your right
hand thank you thank you thank you thank
[1:01:44] you see if we can use that in the new
[1:01:49] facility put wheels on
it uh discussion there is I think the
[1:01:54] manager has a discussion item that we
aren't going to discuss yes sir chairman
[1:01:58] George um just wanted to give the board
an update the North Carolina Association
[1:02:03] of County Commissioners will be hosting
their District 4 caucus on July 22nd at
[1:02:08] 9:00 A.M on Zoom um District 4 comprises
new han County Pender County Columbus
[1:02:14] County and Brunswick County um we will
participate in this caucus the caucus
[1:02:19] will address the selection of District
director for the 2024 2026 term the
[1:02:25] current District director is Mike Forte
of Brunswick County um each County on
[1:02:31] the call will receive one vote for the
county um it is up to the counties to
[1:02:35] determine whether to follow a specific
rotational schedule currently that is
[1:02:40] not the case um just to give you um go
ahead the uh just the last thing the
[1:02:46] roles and duties for the district
director are as follows uh once a year
[1:02:52] um we will be required to host a
district director meeting County um
[1:02:57] distribute a quarterly newsletter to
County Commissioners in their districts
[1:03:02] and last uh present recognitions to the
boards in the different
[1:03:07] districts so Pender County hasn't held
that the seat since 2016 yeah so in 2016
[1:03:14] Mike
Forte uh we had were doing it on a at a
[1:03:19] rotation it was um Pender new Handover
Brunswick
[1:03:24] Bladen um dup and in dupin and uh when
when we came up there was nobody in
[1:03:35] Pender that wanted to sit on that board
no I'm sorry Mike Forte was uh selected
[1:03:41] for Brunswick in 2016 and 2020 there was
no one in dupin because it was their
[1:03:47] turn in
rotation um so uh Mike had support to do
[1:03:54] another term um is dupan dup's not I
mean Columbus right Columbus Columbus
[1:04:01] yeah so um I'm sorry I misspoke good but
I would strongly suggest that we Pender
[1:04:12] get back in the rotation and have a
representative
[1:04:17] um to to be involved in the district so
I asked Mr manager to research and he
[1:04:25] has
um like 20 2016 it's a two-year term
[1:04:31] whoever gets it is two years two or it's
two every two years hasn't had it since
[1:04:36] 2018 when George Brown was the last one
count that's correct that's right
[1:04:41] um and then Mike Forte had supposed and
then 20 they didn't do it or something
[1:04:49] there was a something was weird but Rob
zapple has sent out fers he's from the
[1:04:55] count looking for Support also so we
need to decide if we if it's something
[1:04:59] we want to try to get in the rotation
now it should be our turn I think the
[1:05:04] way looking at the past schedule but
several years it didn't actually go
[1:05:08] through the actual one two three it went
one two 4 and five you know it bounced
[1:05:13] around so it's up to the board what we
want to do here so let me just suggest
[1:05:18] this since we will have a new relatively
new board Rob zapple I've worked with
[1:05:25] him on Lower cap fear I've worked with
him on other projects I found that he's
[1:05:31] capable and
able um if we would kick support to Rob
[1:05:37] sapple and then maybe have a Pender
County representative ready to step in
[1:05:43] after new handovers two years is what I
would suggest is he and I haven't looked
[1:05:49] to see if he was if he was up for
reelection also I think you see see that
[1:05:56] was my concern about the only the only
one that would be on you know be
[1:06:00] eligible on this board and not have to
worry about rotating off would be Mr
[1:06:04] Groves he's he's the only one that's
guaranteed to be here um in
[1:06:10] December um but I had the same thought
you know if it if he's going to rotate
[1:06:16] off I'd hate to cause another Gap try to
say we're going to we're going to split
[1:06:21] the split it up where whoever got to
come off they don't get reappointed in
[1:06:26] December I would just assume it stay at
our board at our turn right and one of
[1:06:30] the five of us take it and and and I
would do it but of course I'm going off
[1:06:34] the board in December so um I would
strongly suggest that we not allow this
[1:06:42] to fall into a situation where Brunswick
continues right uh to to provide that
[1:06:50] representation so so what I would like
to do is at the conference at the call
[1:06:56] is look at the list look at who puts
their name forward and see who is going
[1:07:00] to be actually be there you know that's
nobody's guaranteed to see nobody's
[1:07:05] guaranteed the next day the next
minute I don't want to put someone in
[1:07:09] there and and the term does that make
sense to yall
[1:07:13] yes so somebody who wants to really do
with Mr manager is he has agreed he is
[1:07:18] going to be on that conference it's open
to all of us um I think it's also open
[1:07:23] to Lexi I think you're you have invite
to it I think too
[1:07:29] um so is that agreeable with everybody
we'll see who actually put your name
[1:07:35] in and work to get in rotation I will I
will not be on the call unless you
[1:07:40] specifically want me to be if you two
were going to be on it but I'm thinking
[1:07:45] that that would be the way to go okay I
will be on the call shair I have all
[1:07:50] intentions of being but I have to make
sure I'm where I can be and the if you
[1:07:56] can't let me know and I will be and the
intent is you want the rotational
[1:08:00] schedule to return yes yeah I'd rather
yeah get back in the in the flow
[1:08:07] somehow I have no issues with nominating
Mr Gro I
[1:08:11] mean he wants
[1:08:16] it that's up to him if he's willing to
to do that he's the only one of the five
[1:08:22] of us that will be
do yeah okay so we'll
[1:08:32] nominate thank you
sir and then I know this isn't on the
[1:08:37] discussion item but we do need to um be
thinking about a delegate for the the
[1:08:43] state conference um will all need to be
voted on at the August 5th meeting um so
[1:08:49] if you're going to the state
conference we'll need to pick a delegate
[1:08:54] at that is I can do
yeah I would like to be considered
[1:09:01] unless someone else wants to so we put
that if we can put that on the agenda
[1:09:07] for the
[1:09:13] auge is that it Mr manager on that yes
sir appointments reappointment to The
[1:09:19] Advisory Board of Health yes so Frank
Perez has applied for your appointment
[1:09:24] to The Advisory Board of Health for the
public member position he has currently
[1:09:28] served one term that position expired at
the end of June uh he has a good record
[1:09:33] attendant or good attendance record uh
for the board and he is recommended for
[1:09:39] reappointment um should you vote
reappointment his new term will be July
[1:09:43] 1st 2024 and it will go through June
30th
[1:09:47] 2027 I have served with Mr Perez and I
have found him to be an excellent board
[1:09:53] member and brings a lot to the table so
I would strongly recommend it yeah you
[1:09:58] to I've known Mr pre over 30 years and
worked right alongside him in law
[1:10:03] enforcement and he's in the audience
tonight he's a good
[1:10:09] man
okay motion to approve motion to approve
[1:10:14] second I have a motion to Second all
those in favor raise your right
[1:10:19] hand um congratulations Mr Perez
[1:10:29] appointment of Surf City
[Laughter]
[1:10:42] PL pointment to the Surf City planning
board um so the Surf City planning board
[1:10:47] uh signed a passed and signed a
resolution on June 4th
[1:10:51] 2024 uh finding Mr Gregory k Caine
qualified for the appointment and
[1:10:57] approving his application upon the
appointment uh from you to be their
[1:11:02] extra territorial jurisdiction member on
their planning
[1:11:06] board uh in the agenda packet I have
attached the resolution along with his
[1:11:12] application as
[1:11:18] well there's any questions or concerns
about well um about this appointment
[1:11:27] to the Surf City planning board if not
is there a motion to accept the
[1:11:31] appointment motion to
accept Motion in a second all in favor
[1:11:36] raise your right
[1:11:39] hand County Commissioner appointment to
the tourism Development Authority that
[1:11:45] one's pretty much what you just said um
following the departure of EX
[1:11:49] commissioner Wendy Fletcher Hardy the
board now has a vacancy um
[1:11:55] we need to fill
[1:11:59] that is there
anyone that would like to be on that
[1:12:05] board I do have everybody's boards if
you wanted to look at that just to see
[1:12:11] what everybody's already got on their
plate do youall want to look at the
[1:12:20] boards I do not have a board you like
that he does not have any boards
[1:12:24] currently great okay they have a new is
there is there a motion to approve
[1:12:30] commissioner Burton to the county
commissioner
[1:12:33] second motion I have a motion in a
second all those in favor raise your
[1:12:36] right
hand congratulations congratulations
[1:12:40] they meet 15 times a
[Laughter]
[1:12:46] month I'm just kidding said y'all meet
15 times
[1:12:52] ath so there's nothing list under any of
the water districts so I'm assuming we
[1:12:58] don't have any
business pen County Board of Health has
[1:13:02] nothing listed nor the Social Services
Board items from the county
[1:13:07] attorney well is he on there
Trey yes do you have any
[1:13:14] it I just uh request for closed session
uh item three attorney client item four
[1:13:23] Economic Development item five potential
acquisition of real property and item
[1:13:29] six
[1:13:32] Personnel thank you sir County manager
no sir I do not have any updates
[1:13:37] assistant County Manager I do not no
thank you sir commissioner newon um yes
[1:13:42] a couple of things I had some
conversations uh earlier this week uh Mr
[1:13:47] manager that I'm going to need some
staff time and and uh assistance with um
[1:13:55] other agencies with regards dredging of
the Northeast cap field River we've got
[1:14:01] some dangerous as I understand it
situations out there locally where the
[1:14:08] buildup and the silt has gotten to the
point where we've got you know really
[1:14:14] big logs and debris clogging up the
river which make it a danger for um
[1:14:20] boating and motorist um boating and boat
traffic
[1:14:25] so
um you I think Daniel had some
[1:14:31] conversations about this as well as uh
Jason so perhaps yes ma'am be happy have
[1:14:39] a meeting just let me ask some sometimes
that work through schedule and can get a
[1:14:42] staff meeting set up thank you um also
um we have a board opening uh at Novant
[1:14:51] uh nant hospital here in burgal um I am
on that board as a citizen and
[1:15:01] uh we have a uh opening for a chair um a
board of commissioner uh representative
[1:15:09] on that board um but uh and that was
vacated by Wendy but
[1:15:17] Randy also is employed by so maybe
that's some conversation that we might
[1:15:23] need to have um but just wanted to
remind us that we've got that board
[1:15:27] vacancy um and we need to fill that and
we need to fill it we can't wait to the
[1:15:31] new board uh not I would PR I would
prefer not um so but that's a
[1:15:38] conversation um also I have been
advised um that there is going to be a
[1:15:46] public meeting heads up public input
meeting uh at Pender
[1:15:52] Auditorium uh conducted by Pender County
utilities on our
[1:15:57] 421 Corridor water issue Monday July
29th from 6: to 7:30
[1:16:06] p.m. um and there will be some some uh
information exchange and it's very
[1:16:12] important that concerned citizens attend
this meeting um we'll have updates on
[1:16:19] the Highway 421 waterline extension and
have an opportunity for public comments
[1:16:26] and questions uh so thank you director
colog for setting that up uh and that's
[1:16:33] all I have thank you thank
you commissioner mcco I'm good
[1:16:38] commissioner Burton um just a t a couple
of things for the record um earlier when
[1:16:45] Mr Eaton came up and spoke in reference
to um his living arrangements um I I
[1:16:53] spent a considerable amount of time on
on the phone with him the other day
[1:16:56] because when um when I'm called I answer
the phone and I uh my heart goes out to
[1:17:02] him and his family and I think moving
forward it'd be a good time to Let's uh
[1:17:09] unlock the cabinet where common sense is
and let's talk about some development in
[1:17:14] the in the new
Udo about um having a case by case basis
[1:17:19] moving forward where some of these folks
won't have any problems um and second
[1:17:25] thing is um myself and I think chairman
George has had some
[1:17:32] uh heightened discussions with um some
folks on the Eastern side of the county
[1:17:38] in reference
to the water and I'm hoping that we're
[1:17:43] on top of that as as our as our water
folks are oh you talking about the
[1:17:48] Carolina water no we're talking about
our system I'm talking about Brown water
[1:17:52] in our system and we just we just voted
to raise their rate and I understand
[1:17:57] that because it's been 10 years and it
was needed I understand that but when
[1:18:01] you raise somebody's rate and then they
got brown water in their toilet it it
[1:18:06] ain't good line out I'm I'm not sure
this one
[1:18:12] particular has been going on since the
neighborhood Inception of the
[1:18:15] neighborhood since wind water was put in
so it's not a new thing so it's not
[1:18:19] Carolina size so but I do think they're
working on that and I think they're
[1:18:23] addressing some of those citizens I just
wanted to get that on the record for the
[1:18:26] folks that are going to be watching on
TV thank you so much that's it that's
[1:18:29] good for me Mr gr uh just want to Echo
what Mr Burton said about Mr Eaton I Al
[1:18:36] I went out to his
[1:18:39] home the man wants to die in his camper
right there he just wants to die he's
[1:18:44] got a place he wants to be buried right
there and I think we should give him the
[1:18:50] opportunity to die in that camper if
that's what he's asking and the second
[1:18:55] thing is the maples corner light uh
caution light and the speed limit I'm
[1:19:02] not going to leave M corner alone until
we get a stop light all there so and I
[1:19:08] know um Daniel has been working on that
um and several others um but what they
[1:19:15] did this week is not the answer writing
tickets on 421 is not the answer the
[1:19:21] answer is to um put up a stop light
and um and will that stop everything
[1:19:28] from happening no but we had two
recently and
[1:19:33] um I just want the Daniel and the rest
of you to stay on the do until we get a
[1:19:41] light and that's all I
had and I'll be brief so this past week
[1:19:47] uh me commissioner Burton he was there
we attended the groundbreaking for the
[1:19:51] American Legion um building in Hamstead
that was exciting they they're finally
[1:19:56] getting a home after all these years so
that was exciting to be there and
[1:19:59] witness that it's actually on a piece of
property that when I ran around on and
[1:20:05] actually have a dog buried there I lived
on that piece of property that is going
[1:20:08] on so was pretty neat to be there is on
Peanut Road it is between Peanut Road
[1:20:12] and two10 it's on that little pie shaped
parel we we redistricted it for Mr Gro
[1:20:20] brought up an important issue about the
um traffic situation at how we 421 in
[1:20:25] Maus Corner um the county has done an
excellent job of uh communicating
[1:20:30] through social media and other means of
the uh request from the dot for input on
[1:20:35] projects there's a link that um our
communications director sent out a
[1:20:39] couple of times if you can go to that
link um that project is on there and
[1:20:45] they those projects are scored by
comments um that's how they get funded
[1:20:50] is the one of the one of the many reason
ways it gets funded gets moved up and
[1:20:55] scored is through public comments and
public need um so I encourage everyone
[1:21:01] that has there's several projects in
Pender County there's nowhere near as
[1:21:05] many projects in Pender County as there
are surrounding counties but all the
[1:21:08] projects in Pender County are important
so I encourage people to go to that
[1:21:13] website and that link that Brandy you
still still up right
[1:21:19] yeah
still so I encourage people to go to
[1:21:23] that website do the comment
um and let's try to get some of our
[1:21:27] projects scored we're competing against
new han County Columbus County and the
[1:21:33] other ones in division
[1:21:36] three and finally the website I don't
know if youve anyone you've had a chance
[1:21:41] to visit the website is a refreshing um
new addition to the county it is very
[1:21:46] easily to navigate and um I appreciate
the hard work that was done to get that
[1:21:52] where it is now
I can't wait to check that out I quit
[1:21:57] going you can go right to the home
pagee right on the front page you ain't
[1:22:02] got to look for it good deal
thank the the gis improvements are
[1:22:07] really nice
too so there's no other do we have a
[1:22:12] motion to go into close sessions for
yeah I'd like to make a motion to go
[1:22:16] into close sessions for item three
attorney client privilege item four
[1:22:20] Economic Development item five
acquisition of real property and item
[1:22:26] six Personnel is there a second second
all those in favor raise your right hand
[1:22:32] we're now in close session we'll be back
in session at 7 p.m for the public
[1:22:37] hearing thank y'all for
[1:22:53] coming
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[3:07:52] who is the second um M okay sorry who's
the first Mr B beautiful thank
[3:07:59] you we are now in public hearing special
use permits zoning map amendments and
[3:08:04] resolutions 2.
[3:08:08] 21.1 Mr Brantley yes sir the the first
case on the
[3:08:13] agenda um this evening staff is
requesting we continue this case uh
[3:08:19] there there was a a minor issue with the
public notice motion to
[3:08:25] continue there a
second second all those in favor raise
[3:08:29] your right hand thank you very good the
second case on the agenda uh and I was
[3:08:35] just speaking with Mr Thurman about this
um this is for a revision to a special
[3:08:40] use permit for the industrial park
that's known as the Commerce Park um
[3:08:44] there was a question about uh would this
have any impact on uh the 65% threshold
[3:08:53] in the Property Owners Association and
it was a little bit unclear so we're
[3:08:57] going to request to continue this as
well to be sure that we're squared away
[3:09:01] on that motion to continue I have a
motion is there a second second second
[3:09:05] if if the board doesn't mind I would
just like to to introduce a couple of
[3:09:09] folks who came for this case um this is
Phillip McCardell uh with Philip leing
[3:09:16] um and
SP Spinx uh who's helping on this
[3:09:21] project as well and and um the the
county may recall that the 15 Acres that
[3:09:26] was originally part of the Commerce Park
was sold to Philips Leon and toe so um
[3:09:32] both of these folks have been great to
work with and and uh I just wanted to
[3:09:35] acknowledge them that they've showed up
this
[3:09:39] evening very good thank you both thank
you for coming before we move on um so I
[3:09:44] have that Vice chair Newton made the
motion
[3:09:47] commissioner Burton seconded I did not
know how everybody else voted though we
[3:09:52] didn't all those in favor of continuing
till next month raise your right hand
[3:09:55] beautiful thank you sorry I forgive
you so it's Phillip's Towing is that the
[3:10:03] big toe the big the big trucks the big
tow trucks I believe
[3:10:08] so perhap is that the big tow
[3:10:16] trucks yes she
[3:10:19] do and yeah I was just speaking with
them and it sounds like they they've got
[3:10:23] an exciting project and and offer a lot
of support to the county they've been a
[3:10:27] great partner to the county in a lot of
projects that I wasn't aware of until
[3:10:31] just five minutes ago so just wanted to
acknowledge
[3:10:41] that maybe we'll save that for for later
yes sir yes sir so I'm clicking this one
[3:10:49] record time here
21.3 resoning request request to reone
[3:10:55] one partial total in approximately 0.41
Acres from PD de plan development zoning
[3:11:02] District to RP residential performance
zoning District yes sir thank you this
[3:11:06] is the last case on the agenda it's a
general use rezoning the County Planning
[3:11:12] Department is the applicant and CMH
homes Inc doing business is Clayton
[3:11:17] Homes is the owner of the property the
the property is about 410 of an acre and
[3:11:22] as you said Mr chairman it's currently
zoned PD and the request is to rezone it
[3:11:27] to RP or residential
performance the vicinity map is is in
[3:11:32] place here just to give you an idea of
where the property is it's about a
[3:11:36] quarter mile southeast of the
intersection of Sloop Point Loop Road in
[3:11:41] Co Drive in
Hampstead as you can see on the zoning
[3:11:45] map the purple is the PD dis District
it's currently zoned PD as is a majority
[3:11:50] of the property to the North and then
further west whereas a lot of the
[3:11:54] property South immediately West and
further east is zoned RP or residential
[3:12:00] performance this aerial is at least a
couple years old and it shows that the
[3:12:04] property itself is undeveloped I have a
couple photos of the property now um
[3:12:09] that show that it's been cleared and
there's been a mobile home placed on the
[3:12:11] site but but you can see a lot of the
property around it is developed as
[3:12:16] single family
residential um or undeveloped at this
[3:12:23] time so these are some photos of the
site taken a few weeks ago so to orient
[3:12:28] you the photo on the left is standing on
coal Drive facing the property and then
[3:12:33] the photo on the right is standing in
the driveway facing towards Co
[3:12:39] drive and then the photo on the left
here is uh standing on sloot Point Loop
[3:12:43] Road looking down coold Drive the photo
on the right is basically standing on
[3:12:49] cold Drive looking back up towards Sloop
Point Loop Road at the subject property
[3:12:53] so just to give you some perspective of
the site may I ask a
[3:12:58] question yes
[3:13:02] ma'am you said the intent of the
residential performance district is to
[3:13:06] allow for a variety of residential uses
densities and limited commercial
[3:13:12] activities as well as Agri
tourism why would we want to do a
[3:13:19] resoning and not do a special
use uh
[3:13:24] there's and the reason that I asked the
question is because limited commercial
[3:13:31] activities and Agri tourism AGR tourism
doesn't seem consistent with commercial
[3:13:39] normal commercial activities they could
you know have an animal farm out there
[3:13:44] why would why wouldn't we want some kind
kind of control which a special use
[3:13:50] would give us Agri tourism would
actually be Exempted in zoning District
[3:13:55] if there's the Bonafide Farm designation
so um the the likelihood of this
[3:14:01] property due to its size qualifying for
a Bonafide Farm designation which would
[3:14:06] allow Agri tourism is very minimal yeah
that was alarming I it says as well as
[3:14:13] AGR tourism so we don't
uh why as a matter of of of of common
[3:14:23] practice why wouldn't we use a special
use that we could control and limit
[3:14:29] usage on rather than do a resoning it is
my question and might in in general uh
[3:14:37] that that might be a better route
forward
[3:14:40] um uh to to be specific about this exact
situation a permit was issued that
[3:14:46] permitted a mobile home on this property
um and mobile homes are not permitted in
[3:14:51] the PD District so we're trying to
correct a mistake that was made oh I see
[3:14:57] I go you yes ma'am all right um I will
note that the majority of commercial
[3:15:02] uses in the RP District do require a
special use permit so if someone was
[3:15:07] going to come back maybe not for Agri
tourism per se but for some other
[3:15:11] commercial use it would likely require a
special use permit so why is that
[3:15:15] trailer already there if
it's the the a permit was issued and it
[3:15:22] wasn't caught
until and that was our mistake that was
[3:15:26] a planning department mistake that's
right yes ma'am see my opinion this is
[3:15:32] my opinion and I don't want to know how
things work that whole
[3:15:36] street has this type of house on
it why it ever got rone from RP or ra or
[3:15:45] whatever it was before to plan toot
element I don't know the rest of it in
[3:15:49] my opinion on that same on cold drive
that's still PD should all be RP way the
[3:15:55] the next person that wants to put on the
next lot the side of it don't have to go
[3:15:58] through this
whole and that's it's like when they
[3:16:02] rezone and when they made zoning
districts they just
[3:16:05] went and wherever the paint bomb landed
is where it was I mean I'll give you an
[3:16:11] example right across the road from that
is a is a farm
[3:16:15] field right right it was farmed up until
last year it's Z RP not ra RP right down
[3:16:24] the road as a continuation of that same
farm that was farmed up until last year
[3:16:28] it's General business still a farm still
a field still about still have forces in
[3:16:32] it still own by the same people still
owned by the same people so when we did
[3:16:36] the zoning Maps we kind of just closed
our eyes and do the bombs so these
[3:16:41] rezonings are generally an effort to to
correct those types of
[3:16:47] issues right but we're doing it one
piece at a time you know you've seen
[3:16:51] this property it's going to be that kind
you know this is what that original
[3:16:55] subdivision was built for was
manufactured homes right and now these
[3:17:00] people are having to go
through technically they the next guy
[3:17:04] can't even get a permit he's going to
have to go through all this nonsense
[3:17:08] before he can even and that's something
that we've actually KN when that a track
[3:17:11] is is done in error we should fix it
before wouldn't it be easy to go ahead
[3:17:17] and do a blanket fix if we know that's
what this community is lending itself to
[3:17:24] while why wouldn't work there's um
sometimes it's difficult to get a hold
[3:17:28] of multiple property owners uh and in
this case we were trying to be as
[3:17:33] expeditious as possible for this this
homeowner yes ma'am
[3:17:38] yeah that's it but that's something that
we have talked about uh Clayton Holmes
[3:17:44] is interested in doing more work on this
road so trying to avoid a situation like
[3:17:48] this they be the petitioner that were
doing this for if they
[3:17:53] own the properties they have an
interesting structure on the way they
[3:17:59] and and I may be misstating that I I've
been talking to them a lot and I think
[3:18:03] they're listening this evening so I'm
their ears are certainly ringing but a
[3:18:07] lot of times the way they or at least in
this case the way they structure the
[3:18:11] deal is an individual bought the
property and then uh basically
[3:18:17] contracted with Clayton Holmes to put
that property or to put a mobile home on
[3:18:22] that property uh so Clayton holes has
some sort of ownership stake in that
[3:18:26] property and then we'll basically sell
it back to the owner I could be botching
[3:18:31] that um but that was sort of my rough
grasp of how the ownership structure
[3:18:36] works and again if there's another
parcel that's similarly situated as the
[3:18:41] one we're here today for then the
manufacturer if there doing this for
[3:18:48] consumers if they're selling them the
lot so they'll have something to put a
[3:18:52] lean against shouldn't they be conveying
a properly um designated
[3:19:01] parcel yes ma'am and that's something
that we've talked about um is is looking
[3:19:07] at some some of these other properties
along this road and potentially rezoning
[3:19:10] them um well I think it would certainly
be easier rather than one by one tying
[3:19:17] up our staff and our time to make that
that change so I'm I'm on your side and
[3:19:24] I'm on your side so um it just doesn't
it seems to me that they ought to go on
[3:19:31] the offense with this yes ma'am
absolutely small Lots each about a half
[3:19:37] acre that's a big little less than
that that's like three times the size of
[3:19:42] a regular lot
Hamad thank you for your speech that's
[3:19:45] not an exaggeration sir
if you could get DEQ and and U Raleigh
[3:19:51] at the state level to speed up on some
stuff we'd be gladly appreci I'm sorry I
[3:19:55] didn't mean to interrupt no problem no
problem interrup yeah and I'm sorry I
[3:19:59] didn't mean to run that rabbit I just
didn't understand what we would doing
[3:20:02] here I know and I I my radar was going
off I anticipated that might be the case
[3:20:09] I should have given you some some fair
warning that's all right um I can go
[3:20:13] through the remainder of the slides but
you've basically gotten the
[3:20:20] point the planning board did recommend
approval
[3:20:25] unanimously and then there's a
consistency statement on the screen if
[3:20:29] the board would like to use that when
making a
[3:20:34] motion we've heard the presentation from
staff they are the applicant so there is
[3:20:39] no public comment or signups on there's
no public com is there any questions if
[3:20:45] not is there a motion who yours motion
for approval it is in my district but I
[3:20:51] can't make a motion I'll second it have
a motion he need to I guess read it for
[3:20:56] the record whether um
page to approve that the motion to
[3:21:01] approve uh make a finding that uh the
proposed resoning is consistent with
[3:21:08] Pender 2.0 comprehensive land use plan
set approval is reasonable and in the
[3:21:13] public interest and furthers the goals
of the Pender 2.0 comprehensive land use
[3:21:17] plan because it is consistent with the
following policies and goal as noted in
[3:21:23] the staff report you got all that Lexi
policy 5.1 V policy 5.1 W and goal
[3:21:32] 5.8 and that is my motion there a motion
is there a second so I have a motion and
[3:21:37] a second all in favor raise your right
hand thank you yes sir thank you and
[3:21:42] that that's it for uh land use hearings
this evening thank you Daniel and thank
[3:21:47] you for earlier today for taking that
meeting and helping get that matter
[3:21:52] resolved yes ma'am no problem thank
you motion to adjourn there's a motion
[3:21:57] to
adjourn happy birthday