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Good afternoon, everyone. I want to call this April 22nd regular meeting of the Pinter County Commission to order.

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If everyone will please rise for the invocation and the pledge allegiance, please.

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Good evening, Father. We thank you for this day. God, we thank you for your great blessings. We thank you for this county.

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Father, remind us it's not about us, but it's about you and the people's business.

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his prayer we asked in Christ Jesus name in it.

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Those that are first responders or veterans please remain standing for just a moment

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what we recognize your service.

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Thank you.

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fellow commissioners is everyone had a chance to review the agenda and are there any amendments

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or motions for the agenda.

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All right.

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Here and none.

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And I get a motion to adopt tonight's agenda.

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Motion's on the floor in a second.

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Those in favor of adopt in the agenda.

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Raise your hand.

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Say five.

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Say five.

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All right.

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Public hearing.

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Number five.

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Any.

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We have anything for public hearing.

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All right.

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Thank you, Michael.

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Number six, public information, 6.1, Mr. Adams, update only Imagine, Pender 2050 Comprehensive Land Use Plan.

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Mr. Adams, well.

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Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman, Members of the Board, good afternoon.

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I have a few slides prepared for you.

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There we go.

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This afternoon, but thank you all for giving me an opportunity to provide an update to the Board on the Imagine Pender 2050 Comprehensive Land Use.

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plan. This project that we've been working on for a little while now and we're sort of

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coming to the final stages. So I'm excited to provide you with this update. We're going

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to be coming back to this board requesting review and approval of this plan in the coming months.

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But until then, I do want to continue to provide regular updates as we move through the process.

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So again, just to catch the board up on where we are, we had a lot of public engagement in the

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And we use that public engagement and public feedback as the foundation for this plan and then we put our heads down and started working on the content of the plan

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And we have drafts of that document now that we've shared with the steering committee and have been reviewed by staff

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We have a second round of public engagement scheduled to kick off next week

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So again, like I said, we use the first round of public engagement to help us inform the content of the plan and now we're going back out to the public saying

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How did we understand your information correctly, how did we do, are there things that you want to see change did we get?

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At this right, does this need to be modified? That's the goal with our community engagement window number two.

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We're going to have five meetings actually. So one in Hamstead, Bergall, Pinder Lee, Curry, and then one in Rocky Point.

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I had not finalized the Rocky Point meeting when I submitted these slides. So there actually be five in person meetings.

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And then we're also going to have an online survey where folks can provide feedback via survey online.

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Then of course we'll take feedback in person over the phone and via email as well.

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So in any form that folks are willing to be able to give us feedback, we will certainly

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take it.

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So I want to talk about the framework of the plan a little bit.

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So this funnel gives a good demonstration of how the plan is organized.

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So it starts with high-level vision statements, vision themes, and then it narrows down

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to goals, policies, and actions.

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so the actions are specific things, you know, actions, statements, staff will do these things

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to achieve this as a way to achieve this policy which is informed by this goal.

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So I'm going to go through a few examples of these things, so a vision theme is an aspirational

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and guiding direction for the future of the county and there are three vision themes in the plan.

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The first is coordinate growth, preservation and infrastructure. The second is support the county's

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and then the third is maintained a high quality of life and again those were informed from the public feedback that we received in the fall.

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And then the goals are desired outcomes related to each planning topics,

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so they are non-planning topics, and an example of a goal is safe and efficient transportation.

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So that's a goal that the county has described in this plan, safe and efficient transportation.

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And then policies are statements of commitment and direction for achieving those goals, right?

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So they're nine goals and we have policies that are statements of how we're going to achieve those goals.

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So an example of a policy would be connectivity and multimodal transportation systems.

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The county shall require, or excuse me, the county shall enforce connectivity requirements,

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that require vehicular and pedestrian interconnectivity, right? So that's a policy statement.

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And then the last thing are actions, so these are specific implementation tasks.

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So for example, bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure require the installation of bicycle

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and pedestrian infrastructure, new development, that's a task, that's something that

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staff can take direction, and then we can provide a text amendment and say here's how

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we're going to do this.

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So it all goes back to actions, policies, goals, and vision themes.

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Each of them is informed by the vision theme, and the goal is to achieve those themes through the actions.

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That sort of wraps up my presentation, I always like to end with this slide where folks can learn more.

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They can visit us online pindercounty and c.gov slash and imagine and give us a call or shoot us an email.

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I'm happy to answer any questions.

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That second community engagement window is going to be open for a little over a month starting Monday next week.

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So we'll be doing some broadcasting of that information online as well as through Brandy Cobb, our communications manager.

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Is this the second part from the ones you held in the fall, community meetings?

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Yes, that's right.

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That's right.

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Any other questions of Mr. Adams?

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Chairman, I have one.

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And looking at your plan, Mr. Adams, what are we doing to ensure that developers are held

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accountable to make sure that we are having to pedestrian right away as well as the

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bike path.

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It's an incorporate here.

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Great question.

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So I'll give you a little bit of a long-winded answer.

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So we had a bicycle and pedestrian plan.

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We worked with the WMPO, the Wilmington Metropolitan Planning Organization a couple of years

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to go and had a bicycle and pedestrian plan done,

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which identified areas of high priority

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for that type of infrastructure.

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And then we are now looking to move forward

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with implementing the regulations into our code

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that will require that type of infrastructure to be built.

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What we've been doing from this,

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well, for the past year or so is any time we are able,

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often through the conditional zoning process,

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Where the board can place conditions of approval on a project,

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often one of those conditions is related to bicycle and pedestrian infrastructure.

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In fact, you'll, in a case later this evening, you'll see that type of condition that will come before you for consideration.

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And then, of course, when the project gets site plan approval, they have to show that on their site plan,

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and then before we give the final thumbs up, they have to demonstrate how they've met the requirements,

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whether it's installed on a sidewalk or multi-use path

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or dedicating an easement.

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Follow up on our question and your community meetings

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you had regarding this plan,

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how are we going to incorporate this strange structure

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into existing communities for them to have

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bike path as well as pedestrian ride away?

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Great question to you, a great follow-up.

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So part of it is working closely with WMPO and the DOT.

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One of the challenges that we have

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that the Department of Transportation controls the road, so that's out of our hands.

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If we were a municipal government, we'd have a little bit more of a control of the right

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away in North Carolina County governments aren't able to control street right of way.

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Often those facilities are within that right of way, so working closely with DOT to make

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sure that what the county has identified are priority areas for bicycle and pedestrian

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infrastructure are also priority areas for DOT.

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have your, I don't see where the plan addressed the budgetary constraints. Can you speak to

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all we apply for state, federal grant, funding to support his type of development such

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as portals and other things? Yes, yes, absolutely. Any time, any chance that we get to apply for

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grant funding to cover some of the costs for anything that's informed by these plans, we do that.

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In fact, we have a grand application approved through the WMPO for multi-use path that runs from

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country club or runs a long country club, basically from Kuanus Park all the way to 17 and then

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across to top-sold schools.

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Yes, sir.

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And lastly, can you speak to what we can do as a governing body to hold developers and others

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accountable in lieu for you for me with that?

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Yes, sir.

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and can you speak to that for the board?

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Do you mean providing financial requirements

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in lieu of meeting the standard?

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Yeah, yes sir, that's an option that the board has.

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It would have to be codified in most cases.

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So rather than say, building the sidewalk to know

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where that folks often talk about,

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we could have a financial obligation that says,

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per foot of sidewalk you must contribute X number of dollars

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and we hold that money in a fund until we have, you know,

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hundred yards or however long we decide

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that we're ready to actually install that sidewalk.

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So that is certainly an option.

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I think that's not the first of the boy members

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to really think about.

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It says the tax pay has a lot of money.

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If you look at counties that do that and Lou versus is,

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you can really see that.

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That really fills that to the developers and hold them really responsible, making sure our communities have provided a quality of life.

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Yes, sir. That's right.

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Any other questions or Mr. Adams?

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Thank you, sir. Yes, sir. Thank you.

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Item 6.2, minutes, minutes.

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2025, Pender County Employee Survey results. Welcome. Good afternoon, commissioners.

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So, we conducted an employee survey in January this year.

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It consisted of 15 multiple choice questions and two open feedback questions.

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I told the 199 employees participated in this survey.

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We had some key workplace factors, including compensation, benefits, career development,

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employee resources, communication, and retention.

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So, sorry.

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There we go.

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The first question we ask is, what are your top concerns regarding your role in 2025?

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Compensation-bending benefits, career development, and work-life balance were the top three concerns for employees.

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On this thing, you'll notice that there's other entries that included diversity and inclusion and health and wellness.

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And then the second question was the top three focus points employees would like to see is

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a countywide salary survey, flexible work schedules, including telecommuting and a recognition

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program.

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And with that question,

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it was sorry, I'm so sorry, this pollen has gotten me all messed

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up in the head today.

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That question of what employee initiatives would you like to see Pinter County continue to pursue in the future?

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And it was countywide salaries that are very flexible work schedules, including telecommunications and recognition program.

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For compensation and benefits, how well do you feel your pay reflects your responsibilities and contributions to the county?

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Nearly 50% of the survey responses felt that they were compensated well or very well for the work they do within the county.

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And then how satisfied are you with the benefits package, health care, retirement plans provided by the county, 88% of responses are satisfied with the benefits Pender County offers to its employees.

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With career development, do you feel that you're provided accurate training to effectively perform your job duties, 44% of employees feel that they have consistent and effective training on a regular basis and 42% felt that way.

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sometimes and 15% bills that they don't get enough training opportunities.

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Does your supervisor provide clear and regular feedback on your performance?

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90% of the submissions state that they received clear and regular feedback on their performance

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either sometimes are always.

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For employee resources, do you feel comfortable going to your supervisor and or department head with an issue or concern?

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61% of submissions always still comfortable going to their direct supervisors or department heads.

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Another 28% feel comfortable sometimes.

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What additional help and resources would most help you succeed in 2025?

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The top additional resources were training and skill development programs and better work-life balance initiatives.

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For communication, do you feel the information that information is provided to you in a timely and effective manner?

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90% of the submissions felt that the information is sometimes are always provided in a timely and effective manner.

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What is your preferred way to receive information from human resources in county administration?

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76% of employee submissions prefer email as the primary source of communication.

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17% would like to see as explore a text message option.

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For employee support, how satisfied are you with the level of support and guidance you receive from your direct supervisor?

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92% of employee submissions are satisfied or better with support and guidance perceived from their direct supervisors.

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How effectively does the county foster a collaborative and supportive work environment?

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83% of employee submissions feel that the county fosters an overall collaborative and supportive work environment.

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For retention, do you feel that your work is valued by the Pinder County Administration?

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80% of employee submissions feel that sometimes are always supported by Pinder County Administration.

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How likely are you to recommend Pinder County as a great place to work?

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88% of submissions would recommend Pinder County as a great place to work.

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And do you feel comfortable going to human resources with any issues or concerns?

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71% of employee submissions feel comfortable going to HR with an issue or concern.

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For the open feedback questions, I did a summary and I'm more than happy to send you

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guys the full list of the answers, but they basically have issues or concerns about their

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salaries. They want to feel like they are valued as part-time employees as well as full-time

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employees. There were some concerns about Comptum, Salary

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Compression, 401K, Employer Construutions, Child

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Care and Synaves, Financial Coaching Programs, telecommunic

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or hybrid work options. There was basically we gave the

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employees a way to express themselves as individuals, and

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here exactly what their concerns were.

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And then, how are we, as an HR department, working on all of

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things. For our compensation and benefits, we just kicked off our employee wellness incentive

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last year. It's turned out fantastic. We had over 200 employees participate in the HRAs,

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which was phenomenal for the first year doing it. We did propose an enhanced longevity program

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for this coming fiscal year where you can get longevity earlier in your career. A revised

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bereavement policy to support employees when they really do need that extra support.

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A 360 compensation review plan, which involves internal salary studies on certain positions

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that we see are affected with a lot of high tone or so we really pay attention to those positions

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and focus on making sure they're compensated right. For career development, we have career development

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or supervisors can come in and sit down with us in small group settings.

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We go over certain things.

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Like, I do one.

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It's a written warning class where they learn all about the process of written warnings

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and how to have those positive instead of negative conversations with their employees.

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Please.

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We are...

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Are having training seminars more than ever before. We've got one coming up for May, where we're

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doing our increments and it's training on all different topics throughout the county, everything

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from employees need help with their time sheets. Finance is going to come in and do an hour

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on time sheets. If employees want to know more about what the fire marshal says is a good

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idea for workplace safety, the fire marshal is going to come in and sit down with employees for an

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or in any employees welcome to go to those.

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We also are working on an executive leadership program,

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wherever your current employees can apply

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and they can take this executive leadership program.

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It's one class of month for nine months,

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and they just learn different resources

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about management and supervisor skills that way

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they can grow, especially if they're not already

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in a supervisor position.

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For employee resources,

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we have had a lot of lunch and learn events. They have been fantastic. We have really

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tried to make these events where all employees feel welcome, and they also are funded by our,

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I guess, vendors. Gallagher just hosted our PIDA celebration. It was great. Civics hosted

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a informational session on the bank and the switch over to from LGFCU to civics.

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The employee health fair is something we just started last year.

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We had a great turnout.

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A lot of employees came out.

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They got their cards punched.

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They learned about the different vendors.

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Pender perks is something we're working on.

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This is a discount program for employees.

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Different discounts from throughout Bergall and the local area of where they can get.

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cheaper prices on certain items. We also offer EAP. We are looking at additional EAP resources

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because that is something mental health is clearly a high priority right now. Communication.

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I started sending out HR highlights because employees felt that they couldn't ever find the

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information they were looking for. So every month at the beginning of the month we send out an email

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of stating all the different things that are going on throughout the month and just outline

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every detail and special links that they might need here and stuff like that.

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We also have tried to, or we plan to start incorporating a continuous feedback evaluation

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program, where instead of the normal annual evaluation that's connected to mirror increases,

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we do a more communication based evaluation system, where we get employees talking to

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their super-risage on more regular basis.

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For employee support, we have an HR Open Door Policy.

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Our door is open all of the time.

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Any employees welcome to stop by at any point in time

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when we're always there to help them.

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We have the voice of integrity, foam line,

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where they can call anonymously, give their little input

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on any concerns they have,

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and we will deal with them as we get them.

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We have a leadership in full bloom,

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supervisor training event coming up. This is to give the supervisors the resources they need to really

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coach and lead their employees in a positive light. And then recruitment and retention,

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we have more employee engagement events. If you don't have engaged in employees, we don't have

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anything. We really need to work on getting our employees more engaged. So employee engagement events,

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Fletch's work schedules that allows them to flex four days a week or 830 to 530 or whatever it may be.

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And then career connections and job fairs, we've started attending more job fairs.

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And we planned a career connections event at the Bergau Library where members of the public can come in and sit down

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and fill in an application see what jobs are available, see if they're interested in applying for any of the jobs we have available.

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And then we have our future leaders internship program.

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This program is actually for Pender County High School students.

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It's just a summer internship where they had to fill in an application.

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We did interviews for them and we picked three interns for this coming summer.

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And they're going to get to learn about all the different county options we have available.

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Any questions?

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Thank you, Ms. Ben. Any questions in the spirit?

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Yes,

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sir.

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Ms. Ben, how many people did you say to the survey 181?

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199, sorry. Excuse me.

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How many of those employees were from Department of Social Services?

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I do not know.

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We did not ask specifics about who was taking them,

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because we wanted them to know that it was anonymous,

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and they could feel free to talk about their issues.

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Okay, so what I'm going to ask is I'm not going to say anything out of confidentiality, but what

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I'm going to ask is, can we do a survey for that particular part of the government?

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We can.

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Yes, yes.

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We absolutely can.

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Further, I would like to add or ask, I guess you would call it, to take away the telecommuting

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or flexible work schedules because I don't know about the rest of the board, but I'm not

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in favor of people working from home.

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And so what I would ask you is how many people across the county government are working

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from home and have a second job?

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Well they aren't working from home.

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It's a flex schedule where they can come in later and leave later or come in earlier

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and leave earlier.

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They're not necessarily working from home.

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They're just flexing their hours to where it accommodates their home life but also accommodates

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with the county needs.

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The county has actually been able to keep certain doors open longer because of it.

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DSS does work, telecommuting, their IMC case workers because of space availability at the time.

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And I will to take that as a excuse right now, but when the new building is built,

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I'm not in favor of them working from home.

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And Commissioner Springer, that has been relayed to the Central Services Director and Health

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Director as well, that once the new building has been everyone is required to be in that building.

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Thanks, sir. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you.

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It's been at what? So out of the 199. As of right now, how many employees does Pender County employ?

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A little over 500 full-time employees and about under 300 part-time employees.

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So we didn't even get 50% of our employees to fill the survey out.

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And I expressed the need as in and out to all of the employees. I also had to part my head, send it out to them.

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I'd pretty much a big people to fill it out for me.

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That's somewhat troubling.

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I mean, you got some good numbers, but that's somewhat troubling

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to when we had less than 50%, yeah.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Chairman, may I ask the question?

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Yes, absolutely.

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You said 29% of the employees indicated.

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I'm sorry, 71%, I believe, indicated.

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High-level satisfaction would come into the HR department, correct?

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I believe that's 29%.

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That's the, that's the 29% were worried about. Okay. What mechanisms do we have in place to help those 29%? That's a high number. And is that number increase in our zone of decline based on the previous year results?

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So last year there was not an employee full survey done. I would like to do one next year based off of these same questions. So we can get a true, I guess, meter of how we're going and how we're improving.

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I don't like the 71% of the, as an HR representative, I don't like that.

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I would rather employees know that they can come to us at any point in time.

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And that's where we've been trying to host more.

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We did a coffee and kudos event where employees came in, they got free cups of coffee,

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they've got cupcakes, and they were able to write kudos cards to their co-workers and encourage

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their co-workers.

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And we did that in our HR department where they could come in and meet us face-to-face.

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And we had really good feedback from that event.

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And that's what we're trying to do.

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We're trying to get more employees into CS.

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And then also, it's a stretch right now because we haven't.

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We don't have the resources to do it right now.

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But I would love for HR to be able to go out to departments and speak to employees.

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Because if we can't get them to come to CS, we should be going to see them.

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What kind of resources do you need to do that?

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More people.

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More people.

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More people.

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So is it possible to split the office up for one day a week?

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Maybe.

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It's possible.

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All of our employees have their workload and it's a very high workload for every single one of us.

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We all have different tasks we handle.

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It's not everybody does the same thing.

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We have an employee that's specifically for HR payroll and FMLA in Workers' Comp.

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And she's very good at her duty, so when an employee comes in and wants to ask questions

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about FMLA, we know we can send them to Lisa and she can answer all of their questions.

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But we do cross-trained, so it is possibility.

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Would it be fair to say you're operating pretty lean right now?

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Yeah, we are, we are all passionate about the work we do in our department, every single one

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of us are there because we want to be there, we want to support the employees of Interkemmy.

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So we all push ourselves above and beyond, no matter how many people we have.

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Well, thanks for the work you're doing so far, but I know we as a board, we value each and

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employee in this county. From the minimum level entry person right up to department directors,

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we value every employee. They're what makes things happen. It's not us. It's the employees.

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Any other questions? Chairman, how many employees do we have in HR now?

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There are five. We have Ian Crawford. He is our benefits. And then we have Lisa Miller. She is our

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workers comp, FMLA and HR payroll.

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We have Marco Hamis.

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He is over recruitment and orientation new hire or

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morning.

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Then we have myself and Pam and we handle anything and

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everything that comes her way.

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How many positions have you all grown in the last five years?

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In the last five years?

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I.

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We had one part time go to full time and I think there was a

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class. At some point. And lastly, what measures? I didn't hear the measures that we have

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in place to address to 29%. So that is basically us getting employees comfortable in speaking

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to us, us going out and talking to them, us letting them know we're an open door policy,

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basically communication is what it all boils down to. We want them to feel comfortable coming

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us. We are a resource, not just for you guys, but for the employees. That's exactly what we are.

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In every way, if an employee struggles with the day, I want them to feel comfortable coming

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sitting in my office and be like, Kim, I need help with this. And we don't, we've done little

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things to try to improve employment, because I think that's where it falls short. They don't

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recognize that they can come to HR so we've really tried to push

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employee engagement when it comes to that.

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I would just miss Mr. Chair of again. I would just challenge one person a week

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if you got five people, one person a week. I don't care who it is to go to East

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Department. And I don't care if he's been an hour, I don't care if he's been eight

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hours. But just to try to meet with the people because you're not going to

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build trust in the people unless you get down and communicate with them.

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Right, and I understand you're running a lean system over there and I got it, but in order to retain employees

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Bam could go you could go some of your other look I don't know about you, but I didn't like sitting in office

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I would rather be out with people and and I'm sure I don't know that the rest of you wouldn't either

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Start by winning is to get you something either on the way. I don't care what you do. I would like Mr. County Manager if you can make this happen

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and with the board signing off on this to make sure human resources gets out and

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visits with the people and see what kind of feedback we can truly get versus half

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of the county.

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I don't know what employees contributed to this survey but I would ask for a better feedback

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than less than 50%.

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Yes, sir.

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Vice Chair Springer, I can meet with Pam and Kim and talk about potential options moving forward

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for engagement.

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Thanks,

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sir. Any other questions from Ms. Bennett?

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All right. Thank you.

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Thank you, Ms. Bennett.

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Moving on to public comment, Mr. Thurmond, or Mr. Hogan.

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I think Mr. Hogan may have the sign-ups, Mr. Thurmond.

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I think Mr. Chega, I have the sign.

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How many of you have, sir?

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Sir.

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OK.

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So before you call those, I'm going to read a disclaimer here

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for every public comment section that we have.

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So speakers will be acknowledged by the board,

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chairperson and order, in which the names appear on the sheet.

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the speakers shall address the board from the podium and begin comments by stating their name and their address.

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Speaker shall be courteous and respectful in their remarks.

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And shall refrain from personal attacks and the use of profanity and the discussion of personnel or other matters deemed confidential by law.

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We'll limit this to 30 minutes.

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I think we've got six speakers so we should be good there and you'll each be allowed three minutes to speak.

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So, with that, Mr. Togan?

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Yes, sir. Thank you.

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First person is Kenneth Ramsey?

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Mr. Ramsey?

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Well,

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Commissioner.

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Kenneth Ramsey.

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Live at 840 Murray Town Road, here in Burgo.

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Most of y'all know me, I've been around a long time. I've been friends with several of you.

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But right now I came to speak on something that's actually only a agenda called legal advertisements,

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which is we all know as a hidden way of bringing up the pinder post and voice issue.

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I'm gonna say that only in a communist country, like Russia or China, does the government try to destroy media that it doesn't agree with?

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Some of it might say that this is going to be some kind of a fiscal issue.

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However, I do know that there has been talk of censure in the post ever since the last maybe a couple years.

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Right now, it's hidden, it's only a agenda in a weird way.

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Not even by the one that proposed it with another name under it.

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I'm going to read a post that I read online or somebody sent me that was a social media

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post that might put some light on it.

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The Pender Post is hit rock bottom, just a reminder, no matter what pays the Pender Post

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puts me on, I will never stop fighting for the citizens of Pender County.

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We are 300 million in debt in climbing.

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You're heading for the highest tax increases in the history of Pender County if something isn't done.

454
00:46:24,690 --> 00:46:29,870
The Pender Post will do anything to stop me from helping you, God bless Pender and the citizens.

455
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:41,130
That right there should prove that anything to do with moving the legal advertisements from the post is nothing but a malicious act in a vindictive manner.

456
00:46:42,210 --> 00:46:47,610
And that particular Commissioner I hadn't seen him do anything on this tax issue or

457
00:46:47,610 --> 00:46:51,130
big debt in the last couple of years that he's been here.

458
00:46:52,530 --> 00:46:53,950
I'm going to skip on now.

459
00:46:54,070 --> 00:46:59,390
I want to congratulate Commissioner Dr. Tate over there for coming back.

460
00:47:00,270 --> 00:47:04,370
And I applaud you for bringing your many years of experience back to the board.

461
00:47:04,930 --> 00:47:07,130
I know it was a big decision for you.

462
00:47:08,090 --> 00:47:31,110
I supported you when you ran for office last time, I was out there, owned the poles, and I remember when it was a candidate running for a different office, different district, same office, stated, in front of several people, if that gosh darn black man gets elected, there's no way I'm working for him.

463
00:47:31,110 --> 00:47:39,860
Of course, he didn't use the words gosh darn or black man. I'm not I can't am this for him say that actual words he used

464
00:47:40,390 --> 00:47:42,270
She can figure it out

465
00:47:42,270 --> 00:47:46,250
You got into office, and I know you were belittled and

466
00:47:47,230 --> 00:47:48,950
harassed until he got

467
00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:51,890
Almost unbearable and you had to leave

468
00:47:51,890 --> 00:47:59,130
But I do apologize you for coming back friends and facing everything again. I know it's tough

469
00:47:59,130 --> 00:48:05,230
But I know you're the right man for the job, and we'll be praying that you can stay right here. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

470
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:12,160
The next one is Rosal White Side.

471
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:16,520
Ms. White Side, it's welcome.

472
00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,940
My name is Rosal White Side. I live at 315 West Bridger Street in Berga.

473
00:48:25,380 --> 00:48:31,160
And I'm asking that the Pinder Post Voice remained the paper of record in Pinder County.

474
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:45,880
And that you, not seek personal revenge or retribution for a colleague whose political aims were thwarted and who appears to be lashing out by writing the following in the top so times.

475
00:48:46,380 --> 00:48:56,880
And I quote, surely if Mr. Publisher continues his moral bankruptcy, his newspaper will equally, will be equally so before long.

476
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:05,640
It appears that our county commissioners aim to bankrupt our local paper of record for editorial differences of opinion.

477
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:14,340
This flies in the face of the first amendment of our Constitution which guarantees the right to free speech without political retaliation.

478
00:49:15,220 --> 00:49:22,920
It is also worth noting that switching to the star news will pass on a major financial burden to the residents of Pindor County.

479
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:29,760
A subscription to the star news cost $44441 for the first year.

480
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:33,940
The Pinterposed Voice costs $35 per year.

481
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:44,280
And everyone should understand it is vastly more expensive for our county to publish with

482
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:49,020
the star the Wilmington Star News than in the Pinterposed Voice.

483
00:49:49,020 --> 00:49:58,380
I hope that our county commissioners will show themselves to be responsible stewards of our tax payers money.

484
00:49:59,020 --> 00:50:00,680
Thank you.

485
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:01,380
Thank you, Madam.

486
00:50:03,950 --> 00:50:07,050
The next person is Charlie Schumacher.

487
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:16,470
Mr. Michael Welp.

488
00:50:20,770 --> 00:50:24,490
And commissioners, thank you for the privilege of speaking for you.

489
00:50:25,050 --> 00:50:30,550
I noticed on this contract I read the program for tonight's activities that will be discussing

490
00:50:30,550 --> 00:50:36,630
Union Rescue and Pindor EMS also so I'm not going to go there right now. I just want to encourage

491
00:50:36,630 --> 00:50:43,610
you to do diligence and come up with a very good plan for the county. That's the best that I can

492
00:50:43,610 --> 00:50:50,610
ask. And also to let you know that last Tuesday night, out at the Watha Town Hall, we had a

493
00:50:50,610 --> 00:50:56,910
meeting degree, Dr. Tate came and spoke to about 20 of our citizens. Some of who were here tonight

494
00:50:56,910 --> 00:51:05,570
which is good to see. And we're going to have one this coming Tuesday, the 29th coming up at the

495
00:51:05,570 --> 00:51:11,290
Pindor Lee Volunteer Fire Department. And if any people would like us to come to the east side of the

496
00:51:11,290 --> 00:51:17,950
county, Scott Sill, Tom Sill, you know, Holly over in the Holy Ridge area anywhere, Bergau, Rocky

497
00:51:17,950 --> 00:51:23,490
Point. We'll make arrangements to come there also so that we can get input from the county. So

498
00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:29,190
Dr. Tate and the commissioners can do a better job of serving the county, so I'm done.

499
00:51:29,490 --> 00:51:31,470
Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak.

500
00:51:32,150 --> 00:51:32,670
Thank you, sir.

501
00:51:37,180 --> 00:51:39,280
The next person is Diane Gettings.

502
00:51:46,100 --> 00:51:46,860
Chief Gettings.

503
00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:47,500
Welcome.

504
00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:49,160
Thank you, gentlemen.

505
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,320
I am Diane Gettings and I live in Willard.

506
00:51:53,180 --> 00:51:56,080
I'm speaking today on behalf of Union Rescue Squad,

507
00:51:56,380 --> 00:51:59,060
it's membership and Board of Directors at large

508
00:51:59,060 --> 00:52:05,860
and reference to the item on your agenda for writing a new contract for Union Rescue Squad.

509
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:13,720
This is placed on the agenda by Commissioner Tade, who has done quite a bit of research on this

510
00:52:13,720 --> 00:52:18,340
and has also been involved in the operations at Union Rescue.

511
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:26,120
We are asking for a lot of reasons that you vote favorably.

512
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,480
I'm not going to delineate those.

513
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:29,980
However...

514
00:52:30,370 --> 00:52:46,090
I teach my students at the college, you can't treat what you can't see. So I encourage you to come see what union has, experience what we have, and you will want it to remain in the county. I just have one further comment.

515
00:52:47,210 --> 00:52:56,630
I know that the county is weary of this battle that has been unnecessary.

516
00:52:57,750 --> 00:53:05,970
I ask, can we all, and I am really including our first responders, can we lay aside any

517
00:53:05,970 --> 00:53:12,390
ambiguity, any ill will, can we move forward in peace and harmony, which is what God has

518
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:14,710
called us to do as first responders?

519
00:53:16,810 --> 00:53:17,770
Thank you, ma

520
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:22,560
'am.

521
00:53:22,900 --> 00:53:24,640
Next person is Martha Daniel.

522
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:30,780
Okay, yes, ma'am.

523
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:33,410
Beth Butler.

524
00:53:39,940 --> 00:53:40,440
Yes, butler.

525
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:45,000
Good evening, Thomas.

526
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,480
There's my name is Beth Butler.

527
00:53:47,540 --> 00:53:50,600
I reside at 113 Cooch Trail in Handstand, North Carolina.

528
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,520
I'm here on behalf of the legal ads.

529
00:53:55,460 --> 00:54:03,820
I would like to know what these cartoon character pictures of you all mean.

530
00:54:03,820 --> 00:54:15,240
in the Pender Post and Voice because this is very disrespectful to have commissioners in a drawing

531
00:54:15,240 --> 00:54:24,620
the famed like this, elected officials that people elected to follow the law in our county.

532
00:54:25,660 --> 00:54:30,920
And by on while we're on that track, I would like to talk about the law in North Carolina

533
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:35,240
because, you know, that's the only way you get changed is by following the law and other

534
00:54:35,240 --> 00:54:38,340
elected officials, I know that you all intend to follow the law.

535
00:54:39,900 --> 00:54:47,420
North Carolina statute law, specifically North Carolina statute, 1-596, requires that

536
00:54:47,420 --> 00:54:53,240
legal notices be published in a newspaper that is published in the county and has general

537
00:54:53,240 --> 00:54:55,280
circulation within that county.

538
00:54:55,900 --> 00:55:00,580
The purpose of the general circulation requirement is to ensure that public notices

539
00:55:00,580 --> 00:55:08,160
reach a wide audience, keeping residents like me on the east side and formed about important

540
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:16,080
community matters. The post-invoice does not meet the standard due to its extremely limited

541
00:55:17,780 --> 00:55:27,040
circulation. I also, Pinter County currently under our last resident number estimate was

542
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:34,500
70,000. The post-employees ran out of Mr. Petagrew's home. I doubt is reaching one percent of

543
00:55:34,500 --> 00:55:42,980
those voters. I mean, excuse me, citizens, tax-paying citizens, actually. The star news

544
00:55:42,980 --> 00:55:51,620
which serves entire Southeast or North Carolina has over 10,000 paid subscribers. So for someone

545
00:55:51,620 --> 00:55:58,860
On the east side of the county, I very few people on the east part know this is being circulated

546
00:55:58,860 --> 00:56:05,460
in our county, the circus or soap opera, or I don't know what it is to be, if you guys

547
00:56:05,460 --> 00:56:08,480
could tell me why you're a cartoon character in the paper.

548
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,900
But the North Carolina, let me, let me, law changes everything.

549
00:56:13,220 --> 00:56:19,500
The North Carolina Court of Appeals has emphasized the importance of meeting all statutory criteria

550
00:56:19,500 --> 00:56:23,340
for legal notices, including general circulation.

551
00:56:27,230 --> 00:56:34,030
You know, I just, this disqualifies the pinder post and voice to be our county paper.

552
00:56:34,410 --> 00:56:39,490
This paper received over $100,000 for legal ads.

553
00:56:40,590 --> 00:56:43,750
As a resident, especially on the east side of the county,

554
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:47,070
I'm asking commissioners to follow the law.

555
00:56:47,790 --> 00:56:48,160
Thank you.

556
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:52,220
And remember the east side of the county has no news.

557
00:56:52,500 --> 00:56:53,160
Thank you.

558
00:56:53,980 --> 00:56:55,460
And so if anybody would like to look

559
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:59,630
for me.

560
00:56:59,670 --> 00:57:01,850
Thank you.

561
00:57:01,850 --> 00:57:02,490
Ms. Butler.

562
00:57:03,270 --> 00:57:04,270
Thank you.

563
00:57:11,620 --> 00:57:11,640
Teddy.

564
00:57:12,460 --> 00:57:12,660
Okay.

565
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:15,550
All right.

566
00:57:18,390 --> 00:57:19,490
Automate the consent agenda.

567
00:57:22,460 --> 00:57:25,540
Any motions or amendments to the consent agenda?

568
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,260
Sure, but I don't have any amendments.

569
00:57:28,460 --> 00:57:33,300
I like the pool agenda items 8.18.6 if I could.

570
00:57:33,300 --> 00:57:38,160
as well as 8.10 and I was going to pull 8.13, but I've already had that question answer

571
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:38,660
this afternoon.

572
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,700
Thank you.

573
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,600
So, items 8.18, 8.18, all right, yes, sir.

574
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:44,860
Anybody else?

575
00:57:58,530 --> 00:58:01,310
Is there a motion on the amended consent agenda?

576
00:58:01,690 --> 00:58:02,890
So, mobile on the motion.

577
00:58:03,470 --> 00:58:03,690
All right.

578
00:58:03,890 --> 00:58:04,650
Motion is on the table.

579
00:58:04,870 --> 00:58:05,490
Is there a second?

580
00:58:06,330 --> 00:58:07,090
A second?

581
00:58:07,350 --> 00:58:09,830
All those in favor of the consent agenda.

582
00:58:09,830 --> 00:58:13,990
As amended, I think if I'm saying aye, raise your hand, aye.

583
00:58:14,630 --> 00:58:14,990
Okay.

584
00:58:16,670 --> 00:58:17,590
So, okay.

585
00:58:21,100 --> 00:58:23,140
Do you want to address this item's first amendment?

586
00:58:23,300 --> 00:58:24,300
Let's just go in order.

587
00:58:24,540 --> 00:58:24,880
Yeah, that will.

588
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:25,700
Yes, sir.

589
00:58:26,380 --> 00:58:29,660
So we'll go to number nine and start with 8.1 correct.

590
00:58:30,100 --> 00:58:30,460
Yes, sir.

591
00:58:33,710 --> 00:58:34,030
Yes.

592
00:58:34,310 --> 00:58:41,590
So, 8.1 is just a approval of the minutes from 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006,

593
00:58:41,590 --> 00:58:48,370
for our executive sessions. As I had stated in previous emails, which I'm not sure Dr. Tadef you

594
00:58:48,370 --> 00:58:54,150
if you had received that email, but these minutes are all available in my office. They're printed

595
00:58:55,010 --> 00:59:01,270
out. The missioners just have to come and treat them if they would like. I can't attest that

596
00:59:01,270 --> 00:59:09,830
these minutes are very bare-bones minutes. Most of the time, just state these commissioners were here.

597
00:59:09,830 --> 00:59:18,830
No action was taken, but they are always available for any of you to come in and review.

598
00:59:19,410 --> 00:59:23,890
Again, this is, like our last meeting, this is just a housekeeping one.

599
00:59:24,410 --> 00:59:26,250
I don't have a record of these getting approved.

600
00:59:26,850 --> 00:59:34,590
This is just my way of establishing a concrete evidence that they were approved and that

601
00:59:34,590 --> 00:59:35,470
these are the minutes.

602
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:39,730
I do realize that you guys were not on the board at the time when these minutes took place.

603
00:59:39,730 --> 00:59:53,990
But I would much rather have the board approve them officially than somebody come and ask for them and I'd be required to give them without anybody on our board or the board, having at least acknowledge them as their minutes.

604
00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:59,360
Let's thank you for doing your due diligence and that.

605
01:00:00,690 --> 01:00:07,110
I suppose my dilemma is that we're proven a minutes again, it's 20 years old. We're going to let us for all of the board at that time.

606
01:00:07,670 --> 01:00:11,750
Don't think. And so, how are we attestant that the information that we're proven as accurate?

607
01:00:13,310 --> 01:00:18,130
I mean, what I can tell you of the minutes is they have been passed from each clerk.

608
01:00:20,310 --> 01:00:26,290
I know myself and I know the clerks prior to me were very passionate about their jobs.

609
01:00:26,290 --> 01:00:34,210
So it is me trusting my predecessors that they also did their job in maintaining these minutes,

610
01:00:34,670 --> 01:00:36,990
which I do believe they have.

611
01:00:37,330 --> 01:00:40,990
Ms. Pregn was phenomenal, Ms. Long, Ms. Klein.

612
01:00:41,390 --> 01:00:46,290
They did their jobs and so I'm just hoping to, you know,

613
01:00:47,970 --> 01:00:51,670
for my purposes specifically that make sure these have been.

614
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:55,690
I can't attest, again, that 20 years ago, these were exactly what they said.

615
01:00:56,570 --> 01:01:02,690
I can just trust that the minute it's happened, held the way they're supposed to be held,

616
01:01:03,550 --> 01:01:07,390
cared for, and looked after, and just trying to wrap it up, but I'll go at this point.

617
01:01:08,050 --> 01:01:08,550
Good job.

618
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:12,790
You call three names, I highly respect, you must have never called those three names, right?

619
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:17,650
I yield my questions and say that at the next meeting, can you just bring all of the minutes

620
01:01:17,650 --> 01:01:20,910
that need to be approved so we can prove all those at one time versus keep going back?

621
01:01:20,910 --> 01:01:30,940
Um, I can, but that will be probably like a hundred minutes, um, because I mean, as the years go by,

622
01:01:33,460 --> 01:01:40,220
as each year goes by, I have more thorough records like, um, when we prior to you being on the board,

623
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:46,700
the board adopted minutes from the 1990s, um, those minutes I didn't have every single minute for the year,

624
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:52,840
which again, those could have been adopted and put into our regular session minutes and the

625
01:01:52,840 --> 01:01:59,600
ones that I don't have that I have in front of me at the 1990s, 90s minutes. Those could

626
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:04,040
have very well just not been put in because they were still at that time. I'm not available

627
01:02:04,040 --> 01:02:05,200
for public record.

628
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,180
So I can, I can definitely do that, but if you're wanting to come

629
01:02:11,180 --> 01:02:12,840
and read them, that will be over.

630
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:15,600
That's why I had kind of broken them up

631
01:02:15,600 --> 01:02:18,080
just because, like, you know, Commissioner Springer,

632
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,720
he's coming and he's reviewed the minutes before,

633
01:02:21,900 --> 01:02:22,940
which they're pretty bare-bone,

634
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:26,260
but, you know, as the time has gone on,

635
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,760
the minutes have become more detailed,

636
01:02:28,260 --> 01:02:31,840
they've become longer, I have more of the minutes

637
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:33,800
than I did say from 1990,

638
01:02:34,500 --> 01:02:37,960
and that year, I think I had maybe six sets of minutes,

639
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:43,600
But you know, like 2004 or six, two or three, four or five and six, I have the full year.

640
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:49,940
So now you're talking every close session that we have for special meetings, emergency meetings, regular meetings.

641
01:02:50,780 --> 01:02:54,460
So we can add up, I'm, but again, I'm more than happy to do that.

642
01:02:55,800 --> 01:03:01,320
Just know, it'll be a pretty solid block of documents if you come in to read it.

643
01:03:03,190 --> 01:03:06,190
But I can definitely do that. If you, if the board would prefer that.

644
01:03:06,190 --> 01:03:07,350
Thank you.

645
01:03:08,860 --> 01:03:09,420
Have a wrap.

646
01:03:09,700 --> 01:03:11,180
Any other questions from the staff on the side?

647
01:03:12,980 --> 01:03:15,600
If none, one of the wishes of the board?

648
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:17,740
Move for approval, Mr. Chairman.

649
01:03:18,320 --> 01:03:18,420
All right.

650
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:19,200
Motion on the table.

651
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:19,880
Is there second?

652
01:03:20,540 --> 01:03:23,380
I like my amendment to the motion if I don't rotate would.

653
01:03:23,460 --> 01:03:23,740
Certainly.

654
01:03:24,900 --> 01:03:29,820
Motion to approve 8.1 through 8.5.

655
01:03:32,140 --> 01:03:38,760
I do believe 8.234 and 5 were approved when you made a motion to approve the consent agenda

656
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:42,480
We just pulled off item 8.1, 8.6 and 8.10.

657
01:03:42,700 --> 01:03:43,300
Okay, I understand.

658
01:03:44,460 --> 01:03:45,980
So you're gonna go back to the original motion

659
01:03:45,980 --> 01:03:47,800
that Dr. Take, but don't look like you were.

660
01:03:48,340 --> 01:03:48,820
And you're in second.

661
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,040
Say, all right, there's a fever sick five saying,

662
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,880
I raise your hand, thank you.

663
01:03:55,420 --> 01:03:57,500
So now we're gonna go to 8.6.

664
01:03:59,260 --> 01:04:02,460
Mr. Bloom, Mr. Bloom, welcome.

665
01:04:07,900 --> 01:04:11,780
Yes, we had a county wreck, one of our vehicles,

666
01:04:11,780 --> 01:04:19,240
not on our fault, and the insurance company sent us over check to care of it, and actually we

667
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:26,420
have to vehicle back in our hands. That's just a reimbursement so that we can put the money back

668
01:04:26,420 --> 01:04:27,020
in our fund.

669
01:04:29,340 --> 01:04:34,480
I'll pull that item today because to say to our county employees that when you drive

670
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:41,240
safe, I believe this accident could have been much worse, but I think the employees safe, I believe.

671
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:46,940
I've heard about this and when it happened, as well as it brings money back to the county.

672
01:04:47,420 --> 01:04:50,300
How else is that to do additional things that we need to accomplish here?

673
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,340
So, good job of you and your team for safe drop-in and to the employee.

674
01:04:55,940 --> 01:04:56,740
Thank you.

675
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:58,240
Any other questions, Mr. Blin?

676
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,740
If none, I'll entertain a motion.

677
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:04,440
Second.

678
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:05,720
Motion in a second.

679
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:06,460
So, on the table.

680
01:05:07,340 --> 01:05:09,360
So, all those in favor of sick and thumps in, I raise your hand.

681
01:05:09,660 --> 01:05:10,040
Hi.

682
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:10,800
All right.

683
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:15,240
Moving on to 8.10. Mr. Terry, welcome.

684
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:34,270
Good evening commissioners. So this request is for an increase in an existing purchase order for our uniforms that we have through the

685
01:05:34,270 --> 01:05:41,570
the first company. It's just an increase. The money's already allocated in the FY25 budget process.

686
01:05:43,670 --> 01:05:46,190
So that's just a request for an increase.

687
01:05:49,580 --> 01:05:51,020
Is it for additional uniform?

688
01:05:51,340 --> 01:05:57,040
Yeah. No, it's not additional. It's we have a contract that was signed prior to our arrival

689
01:05:57,580 --> 01:06:01,800
that the guys have reflective shirts and stuff.

690
01:06:02,980 --> 01:06:08,200
And basically this was done before we ever got here.

691
01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:10,980
And so now we just need to increase the budget

692
01:06:10,980 --> 01:06:12,620
for the remainder of the year.

693
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,220
Or this purchase order for the remainder of the year.

694
01:06:17,590 --> 01:06:19,910
It's Jim, why are we running and not buying the uniforms?

695
01:06:20,170 --> 01:06:21,410
It's a call savings to the county.

696
01:06:22,790 --> 01:06:26,170
Those are some of the options that I would like to look at

697
01:06:26,170 --> 01:06:30,190
But we are already under a contract until 2028.

698
01:06:30,370 --> 01:06:33,690
And I know I think multiple departments utilize

699
01:06:33,690 --> 01:06:37,930
universe and again, it was something that

700
01:06:37,930 --> 01:06:40,110
was signed prior to arrival.

701
01:06:40,390 --> 01:06:42,510
Mr. Terry, how long is it contract good for?

702
01:06:43,110 --> 01:06:46,550
Again, I think don't quote me too much,

703
01:06:46,850 --> 01:06:50,630
but I think it's until 2028, if I'm not mistaken.

704
01:06:51,170 --> 01:06:53,870
But they also provide the matte services and stuff

705
01:06:53,870 --> 01:07:00,930
maybe why it can help me out with this as well too, but they also provide the formats, cleaning

706
01:07:00,930 --> 01:07:03,830
of the floor mats throughout all of the county buildings and stuff.

707
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:07,230
Mr. County Mayor, can you send us to contract?

708
01:07:07,590 --> 01:07:09,210
Yes sir.

709
01:07:09,210 --> 01:07:10,590
Thank you sir.

710
01:07:10,810 --> 01:07:12,130
Thank you sir.

711
01:07:12,190 --> 01:07:17,430
You know, without the increase, you know, the current contract is and how many employees

712
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:18,310
it out fits.

713
01:07:18,310 --> 01:07:29,430
So for, I do not know about other departments, but this is specifically for my department, it's around 24 employees.

714
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:43,240
Our year is what we budget for. And that's what I put into budget. This current year is for the money. This just goes over to $30,000 threshold for you guys approval.

715
01:07:43,980 --> 01:07:49,700
And I would thank you and allow them to have four or five uniforms of peace or maybe it's a total of seven.

716
01:07:49,700 --> 01:07:53,640
seven yeah okay because because we're to you know 24 hours

717
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,960
yeah operation and your guys are yeah so they can

718
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,300
end the dirt of a lot yes they are okay

719
01:07:59,300 --> 01:08:03,760
mister how long have you been with the guy 18 months 18 months uh I would

720
01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:08,180
ask some of the commissioner been here before me had any uh of the

721
01:08:08,180 --> 01:08:11,780
fund as it ever been thought about to give a clothing allowance

722
01:08:11,780 --> 01:08:14,660
kind of like the dinner service I think commissioner George

723
01:08:14,660 --> 01:08:16,960
come in. Maybe he can help.

724
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:22,320
Yeah, I was not asked. Is this what you have performed for system watch, shirt band, possibly

725
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:23,160
jacket for one?

726
01:08:23,220 --> 01:08:30,820
Yes, so they have, they have a four and one bomber jacket, obviously dealing with water. When

727
01:08:30,820 --> 01:08:36,600
they're in the hole and stuff, it's cold. It's rain, rain proof. It does have the reflective

728
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:43,380
on it. They do have t-shirts for the summer that was sent for approval, but they also have

729
01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:48,840
reflective vest and the pants that are required for DOT.

730
01:08:49,860 --> 01:08:54,380
This is for 24 employees, 7 sets of uniforms?

731
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:55,380
Yes, sir.

732
01:08:55,460 --> 01:08:58,320
They're not if-arrated or anything, they're just-

733
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:02,300
No, they're just standard NCDOT uniforms with reflective vest.

734
01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,360
Basically what you saw at the last meeting, where they were standing up here and they had

735
01:09:06,360 --> 01:09:12,660
the reflective on it, and then the gray pants and stuff, that's exactly what they were

736
01:09:12,660 --> 01:09:14,300
wearing in the field.

737
01:09:15,180 --> 01:09:17,580
Does universe handle the cleaning or does that look?

738
01:09:17,860 --> 01:09:18,920
So they handle the cleaning also.

739
01:09:19,100 --> 01:09:20,120
They handle the cleaning.

740
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,520
So the employees bring them in every single week.

741
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,620
They handle the cleaning and then they bring them back.

742
01:09:27,220 --> 01:09:30,080
And then they also, if any of the reflective,

743
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:34,880
because if any of the reflective actually wears down,

744
01:09:35,380 --> 01:09:37,240
you're actually supposed to replace it

745
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:38,660
by NCDOT standards.

746
01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:41,660
So they will replace that piece of a payroll.

747
01:09:43,420 --> 01:09:50,980
The reason I asked God, not source our uniforms at work, and first was our supplier, and

748
01:09:50,980 --> 01:09:56,320
with seven sets of uniforms that over $30,000, that's kind of really excessive.

749
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:57,060
Yes.

750
01:09:57,460 --> 01:10:11,040
Our uniforms is, if our rate it, and I outfit 13 pairs of total of 24 people for $13,000 a year.

751
01:10:11,540 --> 01:10:18,220
And these prices, like I said, were set before I ever came here, the uniforms were already set before I came.

752
01:10:19,420 --> 01:10:27,300
And also, if you think when a employee resigns, that employee turns their uniforms back in,

753
01:10:27,500 --> 01:10:36,340
and then when we hire another person, they have to get their sizes and purchase the pants and the shirts and stuff as well too.

754
01:10:36,340 --> 01:10:38,740
So there is a cost incurred with that as well.

755
01:10:40,060 --> 01:10:43,480
That should be part of the contract, calls to the end.

756
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,720
And so what I found out when I first got here and started looking at the uniform prices,

757
01:10:47,940 --> 01:10:53,500
I went line item by line item through each employee and it was crazy.

758
01:10:53,700 --> 01:10:56,620
There were some employees that had four or five jackets.

759
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:03,220
And there were some employees that had 20 different shirts or 20 different pants.

760
01:11:03,220 --> 01:11:13,020
And so I actually worked with the uniform company met with regional manager and set down and went through each employee.

761
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:26,820
You'd a line item by line item and said, no, this is our standard, this is what each employee has to have and so we were weeded down the cost a lot from what we were before.

762
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:32,340
So, I'm sure you don't know the answer, but what other departments does facilities

763
01:11:32,340 --> 01:11:38,040
are they informed, fleet, is it informed?

764
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:45,480
That is correct, facilities, fleet services, which includes custodial fleet and the

765
01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:46,480
facilities staff.

766
01:11:47,900 --> 01:11:53,020
It is operating under separate PO, same contract, I believe Mr. Terry is correct, at

767
01:11:53,020 --> 01:12:00,000
year 28 is when the contract is set to expire. We can certainly provide that to the commissioners and look into that further.

768
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:06,060
As Mr. Cherry pointed out, additionally, we do get some custodial services, supplies from the department.

769
01:12:06,240 --> 01:12:09,980
Things like soaps, gels, dispensers, hand sanitizer and like.

770
01:12:10,820 --> 01:12:15,680
So those come out of a different department fund or coded to our or code for our department specifically.

771
01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:19,970
Any further questions?

772
01:12:20,270 --> 01:12:23,690
So we're going to be running maps and these clothing for three years.

773
01:12:24,450 --> 01:12:26,430
Yes, sir, that is my understanding.

774
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,580
Mr. Terry, has a uniform allowance ever been discussed or brought up, investigated?

775
01:12:36,280 --> 01:12:36,660
No, sir.

776
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:42,540
Mr. Silverman, Mr. Chairman, I would ask that we could table this and they have the county manager

777
01:12:42,540 --> 01:12:49,120
investigate how much the cost difference between written this, these uniforms and mats out,

778
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,480
versus providing uniform allowance to our employees.

779
01:12:54,140 --> 01:12:57,260
Is that considerable, maybe for like the main meeting?

780
01:12:58,020 --> 01:13:02,980
we can do that, yes sir. And maybe tag team and have Mr. Hogan sort of look over that

781
01:13:02,980 --> 01:13:06,900
contract with you and see if there's any negotiation room left in it.

782
01:13:07,080 --> 01:13:09,940
Just make the correct. That's what I'd like to have.

783
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,200
Fifteen? Is that good? May 5th?

784
01:13:12,820 --> 01:13:14,280
Yes. Is that okay next meeting?

785
01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:15,160
Okay.

786
01:13:16,060 --> 01:13:20,020
Mr. Chairman, let me ask Mr. Manager question. Did you do any calls to analysis before you put

787
01:13:20,020 --> 01:13:21,120
this item on agenda today?

788
01:13:21,380 --> 01:13:23,440
I did not do any calls to analysis on this item.

789
01:13:24,420 --> 01:13:32,260
You'll comment. Mr. Thurman is that require a voter we're just going to table it

790
01:13:32,260 --> 01:13:33,140
till next week.

791
01:13:35,660 --> 01:13:38,020
All right, so I'll entertain that motion then.

792
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:38,940
So move.

793
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:43,780
Second. All right, motion on table. And second, those in favor of table until May 5th.

794
01:13:44,420 --> 01:13:48,720
I think if I'm saying hi, raise your hand. All right. Thank you. Thank you, sir.

795
01:13:51,420 --> 01:13:51,860
All right.

796
01:13:51,860 --> 01:13:54,320
Item 9.1.

797
01:13:57,180 --> 01:13:58,920
Mr. White, well-conserved.

798
01:14:01,940 --> 01:14:03,780
Chairman Burton and commissioners, good evening.

799
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:15,340
So, coming tonight before you up to approval to accept a $4,239 grant from the NRA foundation

800
01:14:15,340 --> 01:14:19,120
and the attached budget ordinance amendment.

801
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:22,940
So, this is for programming for the Holy Sheldon Shudon Range.

802
01:14:23,180 --> 01:14:33,100
The grant includes $1,000 and $24 monetary funding, as well as $3,215 in supplies that

803
01:14:33,100 --> 01:14:34,440
can be used for programming.

804
01:14:35,480 --> 01:14:40,060
This grant has helped us in the past and will help us in the future, all for the program,

805
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:45,440
such as women on target with the share of support and introduction to five stand, which

806
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:53,260
our shotgun range and various other competitions and programs so if there's any questions

807
01:14:53,260 --> 01:14:57,960
I'll take them now and questions Mr. White I do want to make a comment thanks for you and

808
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,980
your staff for always looking into grant up.

809
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,700
Or, tending to just bring money back to our county. Thank you for that.

810
01:15:02,700 --> 01:15:06,060
We're always looking. Most of us have.

811
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:11,340
Motion is on the table of set with a second. There's a favor signify of saying, I'm not a raise your hand.

812
01:15:12,100 --> 01:15:18,760
Thank you, Miss Michael. Move around along. I'm a nine point two, Mr. Proctor. Welcome, sir.

813
01:15:22,060 --> 01:15:27,180
and then just ran the board to get even a changed broader but with

814
01:15:27,180 --> 01:15:32,620
bitter county utilities. Bring for you tonight a approval of a budget

815
01:15:32,620 --> 01:15:37,680
ordinance amendment with the Cape Fair Water and sewer authority for our

816
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:43,440
part of the 54-inch Lyon Project for Dr. Tate and others who don't know how we

817
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:47,940
got here. This is our second payment of

818
01:15:52,380 --> 01:15:56,280
excuse me of 581,975

819
01:15:56,280 --> 01:16:03,340
dollars and the history of this is the Lower Cape Fair Water and sewer authority began

820
01:16:03,340 --> 01:16:09,040
pump and roll water from lock and dam one in 1984 to Brunswick County. In 2012,

821
01:16:09,260 --> 01:16:14,640
Pender County became receiving water from the Cape Fair River. Prior to 2022, Lower Cape

822
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:19,600
Fair Water and sewer authority had only one singular 48-inch water transmission line.

823
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:24,680
The ran 24 miles and served Brunswick CFPway Pender and two industries on 421.

824
01:16:25,720 --> 01:16:33,040
In 2019, the authority embarked on a project to parallel the first 14 miles of the line with a 54-inch transmission line.

825
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:39,100
Project was funded by CFPway Brunswick and Pender County in exchange for guaranteed allocations of water.

826
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:42,540
Lime was completed in operational May of 22.

827
01:16:42,540 --> 01:16:48,700
And 23, the authority and its partners embarked on securing funding and moving forward with

828
01:16:48,700 --> 01:16:53,020
the next 10 miles of 54-inch line to be paralleled.

829
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:58,920
For this project funding, we'll secure it through ARPA, state appropriations, match by CFPUA,

830
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:00,740
and Pender to make the project happen.

831
01:17:01,680 --> 01:17:05,300
Construction started in late February of this year and is currently underway.

832
01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:09,600
the entire project is slated to be in operation 2627.

833
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:11,820
This will ensure redundancy and reliability

834
01:17:12,660 --> 01:17:14,900
of the supply of water from lock and damn one

835
01:17:14,900 --> 01:17:16,060
from lower-cate fear.

836
01:17:17,300 --> 01:17:19,920
This is again, like I said, the total on this

837
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,380
is 1.7 million dollars and some change.

838
01:17:24,020 --> 01:17:25,180
And this is our second payment.

839
01:17:25,440 --> 01:17:28,160
We'll have another re-occurring payment next year.

840
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:30,020
Thank you, Mr. Proctor.

841
01:17:30,060 --> 01:17:31,840
Any questions, Mr. Proctor on the side?

842
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:35,440
with no no intertain emotion.

843
01:17:36,600 --> 01:17:39,060
Motion for Prusa on table is there second.

844
01:17:39,580 --> 01:17:40,280
Thank you.

845
01:17:40,420 --> 01:17:40,840
Board of second.

846
01:17:41,860 --> 01:17:43,100
Those in favor, sing from St.

847
01:17:43,260 --> 01:17:44,020
High, Regine.

848
01:17:44,260 --> 01:17:45,280
Thank you, sir.

849
01:17:47,580 --> 01:17:48,440
Item 9.3.

850
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:50,240
Yes, sir.

851
01:17:50,340 --> 01:17:51,320
Chairman Mr. Manager.

852
01:17:52,020 --> 01:17:53,780
I'd like to have Ryan Vincent come up with

853
01:17:53,780 --> 01:17:54,840
Vincent valuations.

854
01:17:55,440 --> 01:17:57,360
But before any questions are addressed,

855
01:17:57,940 --> 01:17:59,840
want to walk the county through and the board

856
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:02,560
where we're at right now in regards to Vincent valuations

857
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,880
and Pender County Tax Department,

858
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:07,200
currently Pender County's utilizing

859
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,980
Vincent valuations for new construction

860
01:18:09,980 --> 01:18:10,840
appraisals.

861
01:18:11,880 --> 01:18:13,960
The request before the board tonight

862
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,320
is to determine if a new contract will be funded

863
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:19,300
in addition to that addressing a

864
01:18:19,300 --> 01:18:22,740
purchase order for $50,000 for the remainder of the year.

865
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,810
Where we're at right now, Melissa Radke,

866
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:27,760
is no longer the tax administrator.

867
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:32,020
This item was brought before the board on March 10th

868
01:18:32,020 --> 01:18:40,920
And one of the questions that was raised because the contract was for three years wanting to see if a one-year contract would be feasible to decrease the duration.

869
01:18:42,160 --> 01:18:46,920
Where we are at currently, we are having a backlog of building permits.

870
01:18:47,500 --> 01:18:56,180
And if we do not address that backlog that does impact our capabilities to track growth and that can impact taxes in the future.

871
01:18:56,180 --> 01:19:03,500
So what we're trying to do is get a contract in place to address the staffing for addressing

872
01:19:03,500 --> 01:19:09,420
appeals for equalization and review, completing appeals, performing field work, handling

873
01:19:09,420 --> 01:19:16,000
permit and revisiting work, and supporting county staff through the transition without

874
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:19,320
misrat fee and working on finding a new tax administrator.

875
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:25,180
and what we have before you tonight are two different versions of agreements.

876
01:19:25,940 --> 01:19:32,260
One is the three year that was presented to the board on March 10th for 300,000

877
01:19:32,260 --> 01:19:40,440
for year one, and then it would go from 300 to year two for $332,000

878
01:19:41,060 --> 01:19:47,320
and year three 346, 112 dollars. Year one is for $400,000.

879
01:19:49,880 --> 01:20:01,460
And we would just like feedback from the board on whether there'd be willingness to enter into the agreement with Vincent valuations to address these appraisal services and address the PA for the remainder of this year.

880
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:06,220
Mr. Soman, how far was the backlog look like for plan and permit?

881
01:20:07,380 --> 01:20:10,300
Mr. Vincent, would you be able to address that question?

882
01:20:10,300 --> 01:20:17,680
So, right now, the numbers we've been working off of is there's about 7,500 permits

883
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,860
that come through across every year in Pender County.

884
01:20:21,980 --> 01:20:25,960
So, those go through planning and inspections, but they also have to come to the tax office.

885
01:20:26,860 --> 01:20:32,740
So we go out and visit these properties and put them on the tax records for that year, for

886
01:20:32,740 --> 01:20:34,680
effective January 1st of that year.

887
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:38,440
So that's what we do in the tax office.

888
01:20:38,440 --> 01:20:47,060
So, when we started in 2023, there was a backlog, I don't remember the exact number I know it was thousands.

889
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:51,460
We get in at least 500 a month.

890
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:59,220
So every month that we don't do this, there's 500 more, 500 more, and again, that is your new construction growth.

891
01:20:59,460 --> 01:21:03,020
That is the growth within the county budget.

892
01:21:03,540 --> 01:21:08,820
And that's how we, that's how it gets picked up and put on the tax records every year.

893
01:21:09,140 --> 01:21:15,160
So let me ask you, how much change would that be to the number that's popular here?

894
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:19,860
The 330,000, if we hired a couple of people to take care of the backlog.

895
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:21,880
What would that number look like then?

896
01:21:22,540 --> 01:21:24,780
Yes, so I think there was a cost comparison.

897
01:21:25,280 --> 01:21:26,900
Yes, there's a cost breakdown.

898
01:21:26,900 --> 01:21:35,940
If we, there would be a hundred thousand dollars savings if we went with a three-year contract as opposed to doing the in-house contract.

899
01:21:36,280 --> 01:21:42,680
As opposed to doing in-house services, which would be comprised of an appraisal manager position in three real estate praises.

900
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:48,320
Well, we're also creating two new jobs, right, for the in-house, though, which is there.

901
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:58,800
No, no, no, there would be a cost savings of $100,000 if we went with a three-year contract as opposed to going to completely in-house with foreign-ish staff positions.

902
01:22:01,680 --> 01:22:04,860
But long-term, wouldn't that save us money, so we won't be locked in a contract?

903
01:22:05,380 --> 01:22:07,640
I mean, we're paying $330,000 in a contract.

904
01:22:08,360 --> 01:22:16,380
That, once the contract over, is there any continuity with training other staffs, so we won't be in a situation five years from today?

905
01:22:16,380 --> 01:22:20,760
We're trying to be visionary planners, and as we save money here for the county.

906
01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,220
So, can you speak to that issue for me?

907
01:22:24,420 --> 01:22:28,160
That there would be benefits to that, because part of the reason for having this contract

908
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:29,740
would be able to train new employees.

909
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:37,480
Future. Because right now, if we were to go with the four proposed positions, they would not have that appraisal experience.

910
01:22:39,420 --> 01:22:41,640
Did the former tax administrator have that experience?

911
01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:43,300
Yes, she did.

912
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:47,440
Okay, so who's cross-training her department and have that experience now? Do the deputy have that experience?

913
01:22:48,180 --> 01:22:48,820
No one does.

914
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:53,560
So why haven't we cross-trained someone? So we wouldn't be in this situation now paying $330,000.

915
01:22:53,560 --> 01:23:03,960
She had, I do know she had her deputy left right before she did, that was the second

916
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:04,320
prisoner.

917
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:09,400
I do remember when I first came on board that there was a backlog of several thousand

918
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:14,780
willing to almost, I think, four million dollars total of unclean money that was laying

919
01:23:14,780 --> 01:23:18,840
there because the permits have been stacked up for several years.

920
01:23:19,380 --> 01:23:25,480
Mr. Racky did work very hard to get that along with the contractors to get that brought down

921
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:30,460
To zero at one time. I'm assuming since she's gone because when she left

922
01:23:31,220 --> 01:23:34,320
She was the only a praiser and she was having to do

923
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:37,600
all the appraisers and

924
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,460
one of the things that was she stressed about was the upcoming

925
01:23:42,560 --> 01:23:48,040
Hearings and there's well-ever at that time there was 75 she was expecting well over 200

926
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:53,820
that's going to have to be done before the equalization and review committee meets, and we

927
01:23:53,820 --> 01:23:55,320
have no one to do them right now.

928
01:23:59,390 --> 01:24:01,310
So the body equalization and reviewer still can

929
01:24:01,310 --> 01:24:04,090
that in here is correct? May 1st, they will convene.

930
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:09,730
They will have no appraisals, there is no appraisers, appraisals that have been done on those

931
01:24:09,730 --> 01:24:13,890
appealed properties because we have no one to do their appraisers, appraisals.

932
01:24:15,490 --> 01:24:18,470
Mr. Vincent, how long have you been to county, contracted for the county?

933
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:22,430
uh... since twenty twenty three by the middle of twenty three

934
01:24:22,430 --> 01:24:23,690
that is correct

935
01:24:24,270 --> 01:24:26,510
commissioner doors when do you come on board

936
01:24:26,510 --> 01:24:29,130
February of twenty twenty three

937
01:24:29,130 --> 01:24:31,750
uh... misraki came in i think in may

938
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:33,810
of that year and that

939
01:24:33,810 --> 01:24:36,350
that's what she realized that this efficiency in the

940
01:24:36,350 --> 01:24:36,990
in the office

941
01:24:36,990 --> 01:24:38,670
and it was shortly thereafter

942
01:24:39,270 --> 01:24:42,410
that they came in and started working down the

943
01:24:42,410 --> 01:24:43,290
the bike low

944
01:24:45,020 --> 01:24:45,760
if i

945
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:46,700
if i could

946
01:24:46,700 --> 01:24:49,960
And if this is inappropriate, please tell me to stop.

947
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:52,280
We do this work all across the state.

948
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:59,520
And as of a few months ago, there was 10 open tax administrator positions in the state.

949
01:25:01,060 --> 01:25:04,600
So be at Pender County or be at other counties larger or smaller.

950
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:12,660
Finding the experiences is really difficult to find folks to come in and do this work.

951
01:25:12,660 --> 01:25:18,920
It's difficult for counties, it's difficult for us as a company to find and train and retain folks.

952
01:25:20,720 --> 01:25:25,780
And I agree, and I do know Miss Racky when she was here, she tried to fill those positions

953
01:25:25,780 --> 01:25:29,680
on several times and then you know she had Miss Fortune that happened to her family,

954
01:25:29,700 --> 01:25:36,200
she was out for a while. But while she was here and when she came back, she tried to fill

955
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:41,380
those positions that she had opened with qualified candidates and to my understanding from her

956
01:25:41,380 --> 01:25:46,820
that they're just not there. They'd rather work in the private sector where the

957
01:25:46,820 --> 01:25:48,780
pace better and the benefits sometimes are better.

958
01:25:51,960 --> 01:25:55,080
How long, sir? Do you think it's going to take you to the back load down?

959
01:25:55,260 --> 01:25:57,920
Because Commissioner Jordan just said he'd been here since 2023.

960
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:00,640
You said you'd been here since 2023 and we're still

961
01:26:00,640 --> 01:26:04,460
several thousand as you said, what are we going to do to continue moving forward?

962
01:26:04,780 --> 01:26:05,880
Yeah, so we're going to go out.

963
01:26:06,100 --> 01:26:08,720
So right now, I think we have a backlog of about 1400.

964
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:10,180
You did catch up there, right?

965
01:26:10,180 --> 01:26:11,940
Yeah, we did catch up.

966
01:26:11,940 --> 01:26:17,160
So as of the first, as of the first of the year we caught up, when we came here at the previous

967
01:26:17,160 --> 01:26:22,060
meeting, we stopped working after the previous meeting.

968
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:28,680
And so the backlog builds every day, every day there's more and more permits.

969
01:26:28,940 --> 01:26:34,620
So this is an ongoing thing, as long as people are taking out permits in Pender County,

970
01:26:35,660 --> 01:26:40,080
this is an ongoing thing, and someone needs to stay on it, continually.

971
01:26:40,080 --> 01:26:47,860
So, as of now, we have a backlog of what would probably be a few months for us to tackle

972
01:26:47,860 --> 01:26:53,840
that and get that back down, but again, every week, every month, there's hundreds and

973
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:55,320
hundreds more permits coming in.

974
01:26:55,560 --> 01:27:01,140
So, our challenge is keep in Mr. Vincent's company employed to help us keep up with this

975
01:27:01,140 --> 01:27:06,900
until we find some permanent folks with the tax office or letting it sit till we find some

976
01:27:06,900 --> 01:27:08,800
folks for the best way I'm seeing it.

977
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,700
No, we've got to do something.

978
01:27:13,370 --> 01:27:14,090
We'll do something.

979
01:27:14,510 --> 01:27:15,010
Got to imagine.

980
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:18,430
I would say the recommendation was for positions in a

981
01:27:18,430 --> 01:27:20,690
praise or manager and three real estate

982
01:27:21,450 --> 01:27:21,970
appraisers.

983
01:27:22,190 --> 01:27:23,070
It took five positions.

984
01:27:23,970 --> 01:27:24,410
Four positions.

985
01:27:25,950 --> 01:27:30,050
So if we, if we got you to hire two people, and we put him

986
01:27:30,050 --> 01:27:34,150
over one year, let his people train our people for a year.

987
01:27:35,030 --> 01:27:38,830
And then the following year, those people would be able to train

988
01:27:38,830 --> 01:27:42,790
what they know. I mean, that's not a lot of training in the year. I don't think I think that's

989
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:47,590
still pretty fresh, but I think it cuts down the cuts down the price from understanding.

990
01:27:50,620 --> 01:27:57,040
I don't think it's broken out that way for the year. I think it's just you would pay the 400,000

991
01:27:57,040 --> 01:28:02,920
and it's not factoring in the two county employees, but we could hire two county employees,

992
01:28:02,920 --> 01:28:09,820
but I think that would increase the price, and having the year rate, that having the year with

993
01:28:09,820 --> 01:28:15,860
Vincent valuations, we can do that. You're going wrong away as far as 330 right now, right?

994
01:28:15,860 --> 01:28:18,860
No, no, if you're doing one year for a year.

995
01:28:21,910 --> 01:28:25,050
So if you do one year, and then you hire the employees,

996
01:28:25,730 --> 01:28:30,690
you're paying well over 400,000 because you've got salaries and benefits for two people, three people.

997
01:28:31,210 --> 01:28:32,870
Yes. And the contracts, right?

998
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:36,490
But they're locked in for almost a million dollars over three years.

999
01:28:36,690 --> 01:28:39,430
You seem like we can hire someone a lot cheaper than a longer period.

1000
01:28:40,010 --> 01:28:44,770
The only concern would be finding those people as Mr. Vincent said.

1001
01:28:45,270 --> 01:28:48,870
It's a very difficult market right now to find qualified people.

1002
01:28:49,350 --> 01:28:51,850
Even people that wouldn't be qualified and trainable.

1003
01:28:52,590 --> 01:28:54,870
It still is very difficult to locate those people.

1004
01:28:54,930 --> 01:28:58,950
That's the only concern that we have is that we spend $400,000 an

1005
01:28:58,950 --> 01:29:01,110
aren't able to locate those people quickly enough.

1006
01:29:01,110 --> 01:29:04,930
How many tax administrative jobs do you say is open to North Carolina right now?

1007
01:29:05,310 --> 01:29:12,110
So, as of a couple of months ago there was 10 open tax administrative positions and I've given up.

1008
01:29:12,270 --> 01:29:15,090
There's 10 open tax administrative positions in North Carolina right now.

1009
01:29:15,150 --> 01:29:16,170
That's how forward it is.

1010
01:29:16,950 --> 01:29:26,170
Some of these positions are paying upwards of $175,000 a year and people can't find it.

1011
01:29:26,530 --> 01:29:29,410
The people in our industry, they're just not there.

1012
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:32,610
What's the reason behind it?

1013
01:29:32,770 --> 01:29:34,350
What's the hold-up?

1014
01:29:36,110 --> 01:29:36,950
Beaton, just be honest.

1015
01:29:39,020 --> 01:29:40,680
It's a thankless job.

1016
01:29:41,200 --> 01:29:45,720
Property taxes and dealing with property taxes are a thankless, no wind job.

1017
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:47,420
That's the honest truth.

1018
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:54,780
We can do the best job that we can, get the most accurate values, follow the law and follow

1019
01:29:54,780 --> 01:29:59,960
the state statutes and because it's property taxes, it's...

1020
01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:02,180
It's very contentious.

1021
01:30:02,300 --> 01:30:03,780
Thank you.

1022
01:30:08,120 --> 01:30:12,900
How long was HR search previously for these positions?

1023
01:30:36,830 --> 01:30:42,470
that is correct. And how long has she been there? She was gone. She left last week.

1024
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:43,790
And we already got two applicants?

1025
01:30:45,710 --> 01:30:51,170
Yes, but we advertised, I believe, two weeks ago for that position.

1026
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,060
So we are getting the applications.

1027
01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:00,000
We're getting the app.

1028
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:04,800
We are getting the applicants, but they're not quality applicants.

1029
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,000
I can understand that.

1030
01:31:11,180 --> 01:31:19,680
So in regards to open tax administrator positions, there's a stop counting how many open

1031
01:31:19,680 --> 01:31:21,860
that are in the state.

1032
01:31:22,260 --> 01:31:29,040
If I had to venture, I guess, I'd probably venture 30 or 40 or more open, counting a

1033
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:33,020
prasal level positions within the state, depending on where you're at, throughout the

1034
01:31:33,020 --> 01:31:33,140
100.

1035
01:31:33,140 --> 01:31:40,580
So during your, when you came on board, your company contract, and first from some of

1036
01:31:40,580 --> 01:31:46,800
us, it wasn't here, let us give us a little history on how many pressures you have, how many

1037
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,680
folks you had in the field working on your behalf on this contract.

1038
01:31:50,300 --> 01:31:55,220
Yes, so we have, so we're currently, there's there's two pieces to this, we're currently

1039
01:31:55,220 --> 01:31:59,280
working on the 2026 property tax reappraisal four-pender counting.

1040
01:31:59,920 --> 01:32:01,160
So that's that's separate.

1041
01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:07,780
When it comes to the new construction work, when we initially started here to get through

1042
01:32:07,780 --> 01:32:14,960
the backlog, I think we put, I want to say we put four people on it, I'd have to go back

1043
01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:20,820
look, I want to say we put four or five on it to work through that backlog and then what

1044
01:32:20,820 --> 01:32:27,280
we do is we fluctuate people in and out based on the needs of the county. So that number

1045
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:34,080
that you're seeing for a three-year contract of 320,000, that's a not-to exceed number unless

1046
01:32:35,420 --> 01:32:41,280
the county gets more than 7,500 permits and there's a bunch more work. But if we're under that number,

1047
01:32:41,280 --> 01:32:43,740
The number is not going to be 320.

1048
01:32:44,500 --> 01:32:47,420
It's not a flat fee number if there's less permits than that.

1049
01:32:47,420 --> 01:32:48,500
It's per permit, right?

1050
01:32:48,940 --> 01:32:53,880
It's per permit and it's based on the work that needs to be done, but that's not to exceed

1051
01:32:53,880 --> 01:32:57,440
unless the permits exceed 7,500 permits in the year.

1052
01:32:58,220 --> 01:33:04,860
And this also goes, this is also for support at the Board of Equalsation Review, working

1053
01:33:04,860 --> 01:33:10,900
the appeals, communicating with the property owners, answering any appraisal questions that

1054
01:33:10,900 --> 01:33:16,040
come into the office. So it's for more than just doing the permit work itself.

1055
01:33:17,420 --> 01:33:21,420
Thank you. I think that answered a lot of doubt.

1056
01:33:26,350 --> 01:33:27,450
How are we going to get the

1057
01:33:27,450 --> 01:33:33,510
appraisal position to be a long time? Well, our plan is we would work with

1058
01:33:33,510 --> 01:33:37,890
human resources in terms of recruiting and trying to find the best candidates

1059
01:33:37,890 --> 01:33:43,090
possible. But in addition to that, having those appraisers present to help train

1060
01:33:43,090 --> 01:33:48,350
employees that do come in because as I said you're not going to be it's going to be very unlikely

1061
01:33:48,350 --> 01:33:52,670
that you're going to be getting somebody from a tax administration department but somebody that

1062
01:33:52,670 --> 01:33:57,550
might have a finance background or might have some familiarity in allowing Vincent valuations

1063
01:33:57,550 --> 01:34:03,350
to train those employees so they are capable to transition into that role so we can have in-house

1064
01:34:03,350 --> 01:34:08,590
staff long-term. Are we reaching out to colleges and universities almost

1065
01:34:08,590 --> 01:34:10,390
commencement time coming up in May.

1066
01:34:10,850 --> 01:34:12,830
All we're reaching out to those graduate programs

1067
01:34:12,830 --> 01:34:15,690
that have programs of specialized and tax evaluations

1068
01:34:15,690 --> 01:34:16,970
and so forth.

1069
01:34:17,270 --> 01:34:19,710
You know, in my concern is if we get the right candidate,

1070
01:34:19,930 --> 01:34:20,470
you might want to stay here.

1071
01:34:20,490 --> 01:34:21,950
I think the last person up position was here

1072
01:34:21,950 --> 01:34:23,750
almost 40 years, but I'm a barber.

1073
01:34:24,510 --> 01:34:26,430
Well, even on the other side, collection size.

1074
01:34:26,690 --> 01:34:28,610
Yeah, they've ever pushed for it at the time.

1075
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:34,180
I met with her recently.

1076
01:34:34,260 --> 01:34:35,580
How long was she here in the county?

1077
01:34:39,680 --> 01:34:41,440
How did 35, 40 years?

1078
01:34:43,580 --> 01:34:44,960
So I think if we look at our recruitment

1079
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,180
and advertising processes, and if we reach out

1080
01:34:47,180 --> 01:34:51,260
colleges and universities. There might be an candidate that want to go great with us here in

1081
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:31,500
Is it the salary need to be increased for these positions?

1082
01:35:31,500 --> 01:35:40,880
As we look at competitive hiring, as you do, your analysis have you identified or we own the low, the high, the medium, the salary range of our offering.

1083
01:35:41,260 --> 01:35:42,360
We would be on the lower end.

1084
01:35:42,680 --> 01:35:54,800
As Ryan said, there are a lot of places now in recognizing the tax administrator positions are a very challenging and want to make it more competitive so they are increasing salaries for tax administrators.

1085
01:35:56,300 --> 01:36:01,540
But maybe we need to look at a just in that salary to be able to have someone internally versus

1086
01:36:01,540 --> 01:36:07,340
continuously looking at, I'm hearing today we're proving rental of a clip of clothing.

1087
01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:08,940
We're looking at contractors.

1088
01:36:10,020 --> 01:36:12,720
I want to look for some stability in the county as we move forward.

1089
01:36:23,970 --> 01:36:25,850
Have a vision and then we may present

1090
01:36:31,290 --> 01:36:32,210
it to the police.

1091
01:36:33,730 --> 01:36:34,630
We can let it be.

1092
01:36:35,930 --> 01:36:37,370
As bonus has been offered.

1093
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:46,880
And do we all for contingency plan when I employ you say here two years five years when

1094
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:51,280
I reach search and benchmark do we give an incentive bonus to the up to the top of the

1095
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:51,800
longevity?

1096
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:53,000
Uh-huh.

1097
01:37:00,250 --> 01:37:01,210
Would we treat on

1098
01:37:07,480 --> 01:37:10,700
the two brain and the emphasis on the top of the top of the top of the

1099
01:37:10,700 --> 01:37:13,960
bottom of the top of the top of the top of the top of the top of the top of the top of

1100
01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:15,920
the top of the top of the top of the top of the top of the top of the top of the top.

1101
01:37:17,380 --> 01:37:23,200
Can we sell some of the car's misdemeanors and not fleet to hire some people?

1102
01:37:23,220 --> 01:37:23,520
Yes.

1103
01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:29,720
We would have to take a closer look, I think most of the vehicles are being utilized, but I'm happy to speak with our facilities.

1104
01:37:31,500 --> 01:37:51,340
And the reason I asked, I was just at Solid Waste of the Day at the Transportation and Willard. And I noticed everyone there was robbing a relatively new car, almost at the trash station, not in understand why that was so needed. But I'm here in the day that we got positions that we need to feel. I think we invest in our people, then the resources we can look at long time. Is there

1105
01:37:53,930 --> 01:38:02,570
all the good discussion? So any further questions of Mr. Vincent? If not, we need to, this needs to be addressed. This is moved from another meeting to tonight.

1106
01:38:02,570 --> 01:38:07,510
to the longer it sits, the higher the stack gets.

1107
01:38:08,430 --> 01:38:09,750
However, in the tax office.

1108
01:38:14,040 --> 01:38:17,020
I assume the question is the three year or one year.

1109
01:38:17,780 --> 01:38:22,220
It would be the purchase order and the one year or three year, both of those items.

1110
01:38:26,610 --> 01:38:27,310
If you're one of the wishes,

1111
01:38:32,530 --> 01:38:35,050
I'd like to make a motion to improve the purchase order

1112
01:38:35,050 --> 01:38:37,950
and increase the $50,000 for a Parasal Services,

1113
01:38:38,530 --> 01:38:46,630
We've been sent validations LLC and enter into a one-year contract at the cost of $400,000

1114
01:38:46,630 --> 01:38:50,430
up to $7,500 per month per year.

1115
01:38:50,430 --> 01:38:51,790
Have a motion on the table?

1116
01:38:52,110 --> 01:38:52,950
Do we have a second?

1117
01:38:58,510 --> 01:38:59,830
Do we have a second?

1118
01:39:01,780 --> 01:39:04,240
Just for a question asking for the question.

1119
01:39:04,820 --> 01:39:09,000
So the majority of the permits that you're currently

1120
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:13,100
And the reason are back and up, they're on the eastern side of Pindor County where the

1121
01:39:13,100 --> 01:39:14,140
tire value is right.

1122
01:39:14,820 --> 01:39:17,360
So in actuality, we're losing tax revenue.

1123
01:39:18,180 --> 01:39:26,180
Yeah, if this work, I mean, if your growth is not captured in your property taxes annually,

1124
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:31,120
that ultimately affects the budget, which ultimately affects the tax rate.

1125
01:39:36,690 --> 01:39:38,010
All right, we have a motion on the table.

1126
01:39:42,330 --> 01:39:43,410
I can't second it.

1127
01:39:51,870 --> 01:39:54,450
So, failure of a second, we're moving on.

1128
01:40:01,620 --> 01:40:03,840
Item 9.4.

1129
01:40:06,610 --> 01:40:08,770
Miss Fulton. Welcome.

1130
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:19,880
Good evening. So we have two items for the new law enforcement center tonight.

1131
01:40:20,640 --> 01:40:23,940
The first one is for the new detention center radio system.

1132
01:40:25,300 --> 01:40:28,880
So the new law enforcement center includes a new larger detention center.

1133
01:40:29,540 --> 01:40:35,180
And the current radio array that we use in the detention center is not going to allow for communications within the new facility.

1134
01:40:35,180 --> 01:40:40,360
So this purchase order includes a base station equipment, installation and 30 radios.

1135
01:40:40,580 --> 01:40:42,860
The radio system is needed within the facility.

1136
01:40:43,640 --> 01:40:47,700
First to have to communicate with each other when coordinating movement, other activities

1137
01:40:47,700 --> 01:40:49,000
and to ensure safety.

1138
01:40:49,620 --> 01:40:53,900
So the radios are capable of functioning on the detention center system and also switching

1139
01:40:53,900 --> 01:40:58,260
over to the countywide system so that they can speak to other law enforcement and the event

1140
01:40:58,260 --> 01:40:58,860
of an emergency.

1141
01:41:00,320 --> 01:41:05,100
The purchase is being requested now due to long lead times in installation needs prior to

1142
01:41:05,100 --> 01:41:09,920
opening the new facility in the fall of next year and the purchase order is covered under

1143
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:14,780
the law enforcement center project budget out of the capital outlay line. So we are seeking

1144
01:41:14,780 --> 01:41:20,200
approval of the purchase order for the detention center radio system to motorola solutions in

1145
01:41:20,200 --> 01:41:24,920
the amount of $128,388 in 18 cents.

1146
01:41:27,780 --> 01:41:31,900
Any questions miss Fulton on this item? Miss Fulton I

1147
01:41:31,900 --> 01:41:37,180
have one question on this one and it's going to follow up and be on 9.52 so you might as well

1148
01:41:37,180 --> 01:41:44,760
help me with both. This 128,000 for the radio and the 644,000 for the next item coming up.

1149
01:41:44,900 --> 01:41:47,200
Is that in the current $68 million budget?

1150
01:41:47,460 --> 01:41:51,000
Yes. It is covered under the budget for the law enforcement center.

1151
01:41:51,100 --> 01:41:55,370
That's all I need in that. Thank you. Any other questions?

1152
01:41:55,570 --> 01:42:00,010
Mr. Fulton on this item? How we did competitive bid in our was a cell of source?

1153
01:42:01,410 --> 01:42:05,510
So we went with Motorola. There is state contract pricing. So we were not required to

1154
01:42:05,510 --> 01:42:10,430
out we did a vet some other vendors communication specialists and communications

1155
01:42:10,430 --> 01:42:16,110
international. This was the best quality product for this application and it

1156
01:42:16,110 --> 01:42:19,890
does come with the basic warranty everything is covered five years full replacement

1157
01:42:19,890 --> 01:42:21,790
of anything that doesn't work.

1158
01:42:22,110 --> 01:42:25,130
I don't think you as a required to, but anyone take the initiative to do it is

1159
01:42:25,130 --> 01:42:28,870
to see if we save the taxpayer money and how do we measure if this is the best.

1160
01:42:30,150 --> 01:42:33,430
So yes we did look at other vendors communication specialists and communications

1161
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:39,630
international, our public safety communications person that's in the sheriff's office, did

1162
01:42:39,630 --> 01:42:45,510
that vetting, he is our radio person, so I don't know if Andy could provide a little bit

1163
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:52,910
more information as to why this was the best product, but we do use Motorola throughout

1164
01:42:52,910 --> 01:42:56,670
the county and it is important for interoperability for some items.

1165
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:01,320
Mr. Devon, welcome sir.

1166
01:43:01,320 --> 01:43:03,900
Good evening, fellow commissioners.

1167
01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:07,240
Yes, we did that other vendors.

1168
01:43:08,060 --> 01:43:10,800
The Motorola product is something we're currently using.

1169
01:43:11,220 --> 01:43:13,400
We're comfortable with that for public safety.

1170
01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:19,040
We're currently using those that vendor now for the current system.

1171
01:43:21,820 --> 01:43:22,580
Yes, sir.

1172
01:43:25,180 --> 01:43:27,380
Any other questions for Ms. Fulton?

1173
01:43:29,580 --> 01:43:32,320
If not, no, 9.4 entertain a motion.

1174
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:57,120
All right, so this item is for the 911 center, so the new law enforcement center, also includes a new 911 center.

1175
01:43:57,640 --> 01:44:02,220
With the growth of the county, the number of physicians required by the state 911 board has increased.

1176
01:44:02,220 --> 01:44:08,620
This purchase order includes seven new dispatch consoles for the new 911 center, and then also moving

1177
01:44:08,620 --> 01:44:14,220
some dispatch consoles from the current center to the new one and some from the current center to the backup center.

1178
01:44:14,860 --> 01:44:17,760
So the new center will have a total of 10 seats.

1179
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:27,060
We anticipate that that required number will increase to 8 by the time that the law enforcement center is constructed and open.

1180
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:39,420
And so having the 10 seats allows for having those additional dispatchers during hurricanes and those types of things and also just goes ahead and has those two extra position sitting there waiting for growth.

1181
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:48,180
So this includes the consoles themselves and then also all of the labor installation and programming necessary to be fully operational.

1182
01:44:48,780 --> 01:44:54,220
Again, due to the lead times on radio equipment, it's important to get this order placed to ensure equipment has time to arrive.

1183
01:44:54,220 --> 01:44:59,980
be programmed, and have troubleshooting conducted prior to staff transitioning into the news.

1184
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:14,120
Senator, obviously, we want that to be a very smooth transition. So these consoles are the same model as the existing consoles, so we can ensure interoperability and uniformity within the 911 center, so no matter which seat it dispatcher is sitting at it is the exact same console.

1185
01:45:15,420 --> 01:45:20,420
The cost of the new consoles is covered under the project budget as well. It is within that $68 million.

1186
01:45:20,980 --> 01:45:26,100
And we will be partially reimbursed with ETF funds and emergency telephone funds.

1187
01:45:26,280 --> 01:45:30,380
We do not know the exact amount that we will be reimbursed for that at this time.

1188
01:45:30,520 --> 01:45:34,940
We should find that out in the next couple of weeks, but we didn't want to wait to place

1189
01:45:34,940 --> 01:45:35,520
the order.

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01:45:36,080 --> 01:45:40,100
And we will get that reimbursement at the end of the fiscal year, the next fiscal year.

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01:45:41,060 --> 01:45:44,860
So tonight we're looking for approval of a purchase order to Motorola Solutions for

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01:45:44,860 --> 01:45:53,740
nine-one-one consoles in the amount of $644,262, and $25, and in case you have the same

1193
01:45:53,740 --> 01:45:58,340
question about why we went with Motorola and wanting to be responsible with taxpayer dollars.

1194
01:45:58,820 --> 01:46:04,500
Because we were adding the exact same equipment, Motorola was the cheapest option to stay

1195
01:46:04,500 --> 01:46:09,540
with those app-tech consoles, and again, it's under state contract pricing,

1196
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:12,160
and the same thing

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01:46:12,160 --> 01:46:15,680
basic warranty under service agreement with the full five-year replacement.

1198
01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:18,240
Thank you, Ms. Foam.

1199
01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:20,400
Ms. Foam, why do we need 10 consoles?

1200
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:25,820
So I will let this badge answer another back here somewhere.

1201
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:31,280
Yeah, I'll let them answer why we need 10.

1202
01:46:33,530 --> 01:46:34,650
Mr. Ease, I welcome.

1203
01:46:35,250 --> 01:46:36,030
Thank you.

1204
01:46:36,290 --> 01:46:42,530
In the new center for growth and for further adding positions, we went with the 10 console positions

1205
01:46:42,530 --> 01:46:48,590
because when we get the new furniture it's going to be as a state-sister, state-of-the-art

1206
01:46:48,590 --> 01:46:53,170
furniture. The console furniture we have now holding these radios was manufactured in

1207
01:46:53,170 --> 01:46:58,650
installed in 1999. That's how the furniture is now that we got. This would be the first time we've

1208
01:46:58,650 --> 01:47:04,810
got new furniture since we've been into the non-one center. So all the furniture is ordered to match

1209
01:47:04,810 --> 01:47:09,970
so we want to get it all furnished at one time. During hurricanes we'll have extra positions

1210
01:47:09,970 --> 01:47:13,870
and also during current, it begins like the far stride of the night.

1211
01:47:14,490 --> 01:47:16,190
We record in off-channels.

1212
01:47:16,610 --> 01:47:20,550
We don't have the people now and the positions available to record them channels.

1213
01:47:20,730 --> 01:47:23,290
What I have in two channels was running at one time.

1214
01:47:23,730 --> 01:47:24,070
Excuse me.

1215
01:47:24,230 --> 01:47:25,810
So it's hard to record stuff.

1216
01:47:26,490 --> 01:47:29,010
So we're trying to get 10 for growth and for,

1217
01:47:30,230 --> 01:47:31,490
make it correct.

1218
01:47:33,310 --> 01:47:36,830
Just on a little, since you're here,

1219
01:47:37,050 --> 01:47:37,790
I've got one question.

1220
01:47:37,790 --> 01:47:44,530
kind of off topic, but hopefully you can help me. Just last year, in 2024, just off the

1221
01:47:44,530 --> 01:47:50,050
top of your head, how many 911 calls did you receive in the 911 center? Just give me a

1222
01:47:50,050 --> 01:47:52,450
close. That's hard.

1223
01:47:57,570 --> 01:48:02,010
Over a hundred thousand. Yeah. Yeah. And they're in Florence.

1224
01:48:07,070 --> 01:48:07,570
It was

1225
01:48:07,570 --> 01:48:14,390
thinkless jobs and you have one to say. Any other questions of Miss Fulton on this item?

1226
01:48:14,710 --> 01:48:15,870
If not, I'll entertain a motion.

1227
01:48:19,270 --> 01:48:20,970
Motion for approval on the table a second?

1228
01:48:21,190 --> 01:48:24,410
So, I have a second. There's a favor to say if I was here and I raise your hand.

1229
01:48:25,130 --> 01:48:31,690
Thank you all so much. Miss Fulton, you can stay there for 9.6 and Mr. Silverman.

1230
01:48:56,470 --> 01:49:00,350
My apologies. Let me start from the beginning. March 10, 25.

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01:49:00,350 --> 01:49:05,970
the Board Approved Resolution to have the County Assume Control Fire and EMS Services.

1232
01:49:06,410 --> 01:49:11,510
This resolution set deadline to present a plan on assuming control of fire and EMS services

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01:49:11,510 --> 01:49:12,410
to the Board.

1234
01:49:12,610 --> 01:49:14,610
No later than June 1, 2025.

1235
01:49:15,190 --> 01:49:20,950
We are planning on submitting a presenting a plan to the Board at the June 2, 2025 meeting.

1236
01:49:21,590 --> 01:49:26,330
We are five weeks away and just want to find an update to the Board on where we're at.

1237
01:49:26,330 --> 01:49:31,330
So the board understands the current state of the plan that we've been working on.

1238
01:49:31,890 --> 01:49:32,490
Thank you.

1239
01:49:32,670 --> 01:49:33,170
This fool.

1240
01:49:34,030 --> 01:49:34,330
All right.

1241
01:49:36,580 --> 01:49:42,100
So a plan of this undertaking in this magnitude requires a lot of information and clear goals.

1242
01:49:42,540 --> 01:49:48,000
So we've gathered a lot of our needed information and we're currently working with that data to create our plan.

1243
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:51,480
So we started back in February.

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01:49:51,480 --> 01:49:56,760
We held a kickoff meeting with Pender, EMS and Fire and County staff that included finance

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01:49:56,760 --> 01:50:01,940
facilities, IT, HR, to acquaint staff with the scope of the project, a lot of our county

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01:50:01,940 --> 01:50:04,300
staff for not familiar with emergency services.

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01:50:05,220 --> 01:50:09,980
From there we requested quite a bit of information, which I will get to on the next slide.

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01:50:10,940 --> 01:50:15,800
We established a steering committee, which includes 13 members, five county staff, six Pender

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01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:20,400
EMS and Fire staff and two outside personnel from surrounding counties, one with a background

1250
01:50:20,400 --> 01:50:22,300
on a fire at one with a background in EMS.

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01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:24,960
At the last board meeting, we requested

1252
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,660
some clarifications and feedback from you guys

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01:50:27,660 --> 01:50:29,840
to ensure that we were on the right path

1254
01:50:29,840 --> 01:50:33,760
and that the plan we present to you aligns with your directives.

1255
01:50:34,520 --> 01:50:36,960
We've established work groups for each area of focus.

1256
01:50:37,260 --> 01:50:40,780
Those include HR, finance, facilities, and fleet, IT,

1257
01:50:41,160 --> 01:50:43,240
training and special operations, fire operations,

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01:50:43,500 --> 01:50:44,660
and EMS operations.

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01:50:45,400 --> 01:50:47,920
So those work groups include over 40 different personnel

1260
01:50:47,920 --> 01:50:53,020
from different organizations, and I'll get into each one of those focus areas a little bit more in depth.

1261
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:59,960
So as I said, we requested quite a bit of information after that first meeting.

1262
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:06,820
Things like the number of positions, debts, leases, contracts, building and fleet lists, IT devices and management,

1263
01:51:07,500 --> 01:51:17,160
organizational structure, as well as fire and EMS requirements from NCOS FM, the Office of the State Fire Martial and NCOEMS, the Office of EMS.

1264
01:51:17,160 --> 01:51:25,940
There's a number of hoops that we have to jump through through this merger and we're organizing that timeline and the steps to ensure that we need each one of those requirements.

1265
01:51:31,200 --> 01:51:37,400
So human resources and finance are probably the most complex items in this merger on the county side.

1266
01:51:38,020 --> 01:51:49,880
So onboarding over 200 staff involves figuring out how we're going to do background checks, benefits and rollments, and incorporating new positions, pay scales, schedules, those types of things into our existing policies.

1267
01:51:49,880 --> 01:51:55,920
And in some cases having to revise our policies, currently we don't have staff that work 24

1268
01:51:55,920 --> 01:51:57,200
hour shifts, for example.

1269
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:03,800
Things like approval rates, 401K contributions and insurance might seem like minor things,

1270
01:52:03,980 --> 01:52:08,880
but they're crucial to ensuring staff retention and the continued operation of emergency

1271
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:11,080
services and they make a big cost difference.

1272
01:52:11,720 --> 01:52:15,920
In some of these things, we can't just completely copy and paste over from what Pender

1273
01:52:15,920 --> 01:52:20,920
of mass and fires currently doing because local governments have a little bit different requirements.

1274
01:52:22,240 --> 01:52:27,240
So one of the things that we are also looking at for human resources is incorporating volunteers.

1275
01:52:27,540 --> 01:52:29,960
It's a must. Although the volunteer base isn't a...

1276
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:39,560
Enough to run fire departments anymore. They're a vital part of the community and they're very important for tanker task forces and areas without fire hydrants, especially on the west side of the county.

1277
01:52:40,660 --> 01:52:47,320
So we're working through setting a standard process for volunteer onboarding and incentives. Currently, each department kind of does their own thing.

1278
01:52:47,820 --> 01:52:51,720
And we need to make sure that things are going to be the same across the board and across the county.

1279
01:52:55,870 --> 01:53:02,310
On the finance side, we're looking at things like debts and leases, existing contracts, any open grants, tax districts,

1280
01:53:02,310 --> 01:53:07,770
and if full cost analysis, both as a whole county and as from the perspective of an employee,

1281
01:53:08,670 --> 01:53:14,790
things like EMS billing and fire apparatus on order cannot stop. We want to ensure that everything keeps moving.

1282
01:53:15,630 --> 01:53:19,790
So we have done a breakdown of employee benefits so far, which is preliminary.

1283
01:53:20,810 --> 01:53:26,370
And I think the employees will be happy with the difference of what they're going to get for what they're paying for benefits.

1284
01:53:29,560 --> 01:53:36,780
So emergency services comes with a lot of buildings, a lot of vehicles and a lot of equipment all of which are required for response.

1285
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:46,400
So a new fleet garage was already discussed as part of the facilities master plan and it's absolutely necessary really both now but also for part of the merger.

1286
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:53,820
This work group met to discuss specifications for a building that can handle both the emergency vehicles and our regular fleet.

1287
01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:57,690
We're currently evaluating land that we already own to determine an appropriate location.

1288
01:53:59,020 --> 01:54:02,640
We've also discussed the fleet replacement schedule and equipment replacement schedule.

1289
01:54:03,060 --> 01:54:08,560
We want to ensure that there's no gaps in service with fleet reaching end of life or equipment reaching at shelf life.

1290
01:54:08,640 --> 01:54:13,360
There's a lot of safety issues, a lot of liability issues if we don't stay on top of that replacement schedule.

1291
01:54:15,100 --> 01:54:20,360
And as with everything else in public safety, there's also a lot of technology involved in this process.

1292
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:27,400
So aside from just supporting over 200 more staff, the radios and emergency communications equipment is critical to emergency response.

1293
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:37,120
We're currently working on the best way to integrate everything that we have to make sure we meet all the appropriate security protocols and ensure functionality and interoperability.

1294
01:54:39,740 --> 01:54:50,120
So, these last three groups work groups, the fire, EMS and special operations. We have not met yet. We're waiting to have some meetings between leadership prior to having these meetings.

1295
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:56,480
So on the operation side, the main goal is to ensure the continuation of services.

1296
01:54:56,980 --> 01:55:00,540
So for fire, we're working through setting a standard staffing and equipment for each

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01:55:00,540 --> 01:55:04,800
station, so everyone gets the same minimum response from the east side to the west side.

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01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:09,460
There may also be some public hearings required, related to fire districts, there'll be some

1299
01:55:09,460 --> 01:55:14,080
state inspections required for all equipment after this becomes county operated.

1300
01:55:14,700 --> 01:55:18,200
In this group includes fire personnel from each department and we're making sure to check

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01:55:18,200 --> 01:55:21,300
all of the necessary boxes so that we can keep operating.

1302
01:55:22,420 --> 01:55:28,500
For EMS, we will need to rewrite the EMS system plan with training, certification, staffing,

1303
01:55:29,260 --> 01:55:32,720
all those types of things, as well as designate a medical director, and so we're working

1304
01:55:32,720 --> 01:55:34,980
through those check boxes as well.

1305
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:39,620
For training, we're working through how to incorporate training standards, continuing education,

1306
01:55:39,980 --> 01:55:44,640
and the academies that Pender EMS and Fire runs into our current policies and procedures.

1307
01:55:44,640 --> 01:55:48,440
Pentering a mess and fire does a really fantastic job in their training.

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01:55:48,980 --> 01:55:53,320
We want to ensure that that high-level continues and that we can onboard new certified staff.

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01:55:54,600 --> 01:55:59,460
Special operations include Swiftwater Rescue and Pensar, the Search and Rescue team, and both

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01:55:59,460 --> 01:56:03,660
are critical to protecting the public, and include a mix of volunteers and paid staff.

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01:56:03,780 --> 01:56:07,840
So we're working on where they will fall within the organization to ensure that they can

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continue to serve.

1313
01:56:12,170 --> 01:56:20,270
So as we work through all of these things, we're going to be setting objectives and timelines based on what it takes to achieve success in each area.

1314
01:56:20,850 --> 01:56:26,230
For the most part, we have the what we have to do and we're working through the how we're going to do it and how much it's going to cost.

1315
01:56:26,770 --> 01:56:33,610
So some of the exact costs, the exact pennies are not going to be in a plan that we provide you in June, it will be based on estimates.

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01:56:34,030 --> 01:56:38,230
Things like the fleet garage, right? We're not going to have exact costs on that until we go out for bid.

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01:56:39,170 --> 01:56:45,190
But we're doing our best to work through each facet of this very complex project in a thorough and

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01:56:45,190 --> 01:56:49,990
methodical way to ensure the safety of the public and to ensure we take care of all employees.

1319
01:56:50,830 --> 01:56:54,170
And even after the plan is written and approved, we'll need to make sure that we monitor,

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01:56:54,430 --> 01:56:58,570
we have performance measures in place and that we can evaluate our progress.

1321
01:56:59,330 --> 01:57:02,670
This isn't going to end the day that it becomes county operated.

1322
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So we're going to need to sit down and make a long-term plan for emergency services as a whole

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01:57:07,490 --> 01:57:11,450
to set a vision for where we are now and where we want to be in the future.

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01:57:14,060 --> 01:57:17,600
And that is all the update I have, and I'm open to any questions.

1325
01:57:17,600 --> 01:57:21,000
Thank you, Ms. Fulton. Any questions, Ms. Fulton? So far,

1326
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:25,760
I just asked them for legal.

1327
01:57:29,180 --> 01:57:32,880
Is this board protected by civil immunity since we have a risk for

1328
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:39,900
it depends? Are you talking

1329
01:57:39,900 --> 01:57:43,560
about individual board members? Are you talking about individual board members?

1330
01:57:43,560 --> 01:57:46,660
So if we were to do some malice vengeance,

1331
01:57:49,540 --> 01:57:51,200
not in the best interest of the citizens of

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Pindor County, ethics, stuff like that.

1333
01:57:57,020 --> 01:58:04,940
In general, you have immunity in your official capacity for actions and votes taken.

1334
01:58:06,440 --> 01:58:08,520
Again, could you be sued, absolute,

1335
01:58:10,600 --> 01:58:15,020
but they're, and again, the county would provide a defense.

1336
01:58:17,060 --> 01:58:31,360
But in, and yes, there is the risk pool, but the risk pool has some exclusions for certain activities to avoid creating a potential claim.

1337
01:58:32,620 --> 01:58:43,220
But the duty to defend is much broader than the duty to indemnify, but typically, for an official act, you are not going to be personal and liable.

1338
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:49,140
There are some exceptions. There's a pending bill, which I mentioned briefly to the board about.

1339
01:58:49,680 --> 01:58:56,640
I think we may want to look at how we do some of our land use issues because of that, because it applies to elected officials.

1340
01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:02,320
but at least in its most recent iteration there's not applied to a point in the

1341
01:59:02,320 --> 01:59:09,860
officials. So we would want to look at that. But at any end it would depend on

1342
01:59:09,860 --> 01:59:16,340
what somebody could show but in general know you are immune for your vote.

1343
01:59:17,920 --> 01:59:21,120
And I'm not trying to avoid the question but it's just I don't know what

1344
01:59:21,120 --> 01:59:26,400
That's your answer. If we have an insurance or we're covered by a risk pool, civil immunity,

1345
01:59:26,820 --> 01:59:33,120
we weigh that and we can each be held. Well, but it has to be a covered claim.

1346
01:59:34,840 --> 01:59:42,380
And there is there are exclusions in the risk pool for official act because they don't know

1347
01:59:42,380 --> 01:59:49,620
for instance. So if you as you as an attorney give us advice and we fail to follow that advice,

1348
01:59:50,980 --> 01:59:57,900
that's that's not a cover claim I would assume that would well depend on what it

1349
01:59:58,360 --> 01:59:59,860
what advice you didn't follow

1350
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:13,620
But again, in general, and there also is a separate defense of, if I give you advice and you follow it, and it's wrong, you have a defense based on you follow the advice of council.

1351
02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:20,340
that everybody has in a situation, both civil and criminal.

1352
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:27,820
For those things, if you can say, we followed the, you know, we had council, we just,

1353
02:00:27,820 --> 02:00:32,800
you know, we followed that advice, but there are exclusions, and it would depend on the nature

1354
02:00:32,800 --> 02:00:37,160
of it and what the whisper would and cover.

1355
02:00:37,980 --> 02:00:49,440
For instance, there are defences that are expressly not covered by the risk pool, one that involves law enforcement.

1356
02:00:49,660 --> 02:00:51,120
It's called the public duty doctrine.

1357
02:00:51,760 --> 02:00:58,980
That is, if I get mugged, walking down the, you know, walking to the Courthouse Square in Murgole,

1358
02:00:59,940 --> 02:01:04,900
I can't sue the Murgole police for failure to protect me from the mother.

1359
02:01:06,260 --> 02:01:12,280
I'm absolutely them having made a specific promise, saying we'll meet you at nine in the morning

1360
02:01:12,280 --> 02:01:14,640
and walk you to the courthouse and they don't show up.

1361
02:01:14,900 --> 02:01:20,920
Then I might have a claim otherwise the police, in all enforcement in general, in North Carolina

1362
02:01:20,920 --> 02:01:27,860
are protected because they owe a duty to the public at large, not to an individual person.

1363
02:01:27,860 --> 02:01:37,600
and so that would and the the risk pool doesn't cover things that would be protected by

1364
02:01:37,600 --> 02:01:43,700
the public duty doctor and intentional. The same with contributed to an negligent.

1365
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:48,680
So to expand that question to county employees, county employees have no protections.

1366
02:01:49,200 --> 02:01:53,160
Not even I was told to do something. Is that correct?

1367
02:01:55,220 --> 02:01:56,980
And we need to distinguish.

1368
02:01:58,020 --> 02:02:01,460
Michael is protected because he is a public official.

1369
02:02:03,220 --> 02:02:07,320
As a public employee, you are not.

1370
02:02:08,440 --> 02:02:12,220
And typically that involves whether you actually are appointed as a

1371
02:02:12,220 --> 02:02:21,660
it's just hired, do you take an oath, for instance? Again, Meg is a public official. Members

1372
02:02:21,660 --> 02:02:28,280
of her staff would be public employees, and so they would not have that immunity. That,

1373
02:02:28,280 --> 02:02:35,600
again, Michael, Meg in ER, our appointed people would have, for instance, if there's something

1374
02:02:35,600 --> 02:02:45,080
involving the M.S. and fire situation, Michael would have immunity, Sarah would not,

1375
02:02:45,220 --> 02:02:53,280
love you, Sarah. That is because, again, he's a public official. He's appointed by the board,

1376
02:02:54,600 --> 02:03:04,160
and so he is protected. But employees are not, and in general, I was just, I was, you know,

1377
02:03:04,160 --> 02:03:06,400
just following orders is not a defendant.

1378
02:03:06,860 --> 02:03:08,320
All my questions, thank you.

1379
02:03:08,380 --> 02:03:08,740
Yes, sir.

1380
02:03:08,780 --> 02:03:13,840
I hope I'm sure I've been long-winded, but it's not a straight yes and no.

1381
02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:14,960
Pardon?

1382
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:17,000
I said, I don't have to go.

1383
02:03:19,790 --> 02:03:21,330
I'll take you where you're in attorney.

1384
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:30,430
Let me reframe that question in another way to you.

1385
02:03:30,610 --> 02:03:35,270
A firefighter on a fire truck goes on the call, or a paramedic goes on the call.

1386
02:03:35,270 --> 02:03:38,370
And a citizen wants to see them. What happens?

1387
02:03:41,470 --> 02:03:48,370
If they are alleging a breach of standard of care or lack of, you know, especially going

1388
02:03:48,370 --> 02:03:58,650
with the paramedic, can they be sued? Yes. Now there would be, you know, insurance to cover

1389
02:03:58,650 --> 02:04:05,250
that. But again, you have to show that they're not just, it was a bad outcome.

1390
02:04:05,250 --> 02:04:13,650
there has to be something, you know, that was done improperly, but their employer, the county, would defend them.

1391
02:04:14,110 --> 02:04:19,910
Yes. And you would also, we would be named as part of that as well.

1392
02:04:20,310 --> 02:04:24,130
Because it's all right. No different than when the sheriff has sued in the deputy sued.

1393
02:04:24,450 --> 02:04:25,850
Well, there's a little difference.

1394
02:04:25,890 --> 02:04:28,930
Except for law enforcement, it's a little different.

1395
02:04:29,450 --> 02:04:33,630
But yes, if a county employee is driving a county car,

1396
02:04:33,630 --> 02:04:41,310
on county business then yes we you know have liability for that okay do we have

1397
02:04:41,310 --> 02:04:46,250
professional liability for legal advice that we receive in case some of the legal team

1398
02:04:46,250 --> 02:04:54,890
give us advice as bad advice um well that again there's there's a defense and if it's

1399
02:04:56,570 --> 02:05:03,190
again if you if you follow the that then there would be liability you know

1400
02:05:03,190 --> 02:05:11,310
potentially, for me, you know, on something, but not for, again, not generally for you.

1401
02:05:11,710 --> 02:05:17,030
And unless we say, you know, let's inspire to come up with a way to do something that's

1402
02:05:17,030 --> 02:05:17,890
against the law.

1403
02:05:18,190 --> 02:05:21,670
You know, obviously we're not doing it, but I'm just saying that would be an exception.

1404
02:05:22,270 --> 02:05:29,570
But otherwise, no, you have, again, in general, you have immunity for your official act,

1405
02:05:29,770 --> 02:05:31,070
such as making a vote.

1406
02:05:32,990 --> 02:05:34,410
Thank you, Mr. Darman.

1407
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:36,810
Asked to present our question tonight, Mr. Chairman.

1408
02:05:37,690 --> 02:05:40,830
Will, how we, you have an estimate of the cost of analysis

1409
02:05:40,830 --> 02:05:43,070
of all I've been asking for you since I joined the board.

1410
02:05:43,510 --> 02:05:46,710
In regards to what this is going to cost of it laying in,

1411
02:05:46,790 --> 02:05:51,030
is it going to cost us with fleet, it's an estimate of cost of that.

1412
02:05:51,070 --> 02:05:54,210
Do you have that to present to us as well as retirement

1413
02:05:54,210 --> 02:05:57,630
cost of the cost that we need to, our critical decision.

1414
02:05:58,730 --> 02:06:01,150
And we need to have that information soon

1415
02:06:01,150 --> 02:06:03,730
to be able to make a good decision moving forward.

1416
02:06:03,770 --> 02:06:04,810
I do, it is one person.

1417
02:06:05,870 --> 02:06:07,670
Our finance director, Meg Blue,

1418
02:06:07,750 --> 02:06:10,570
is working on that as part of this plan.

1419
02:06:11,330 --> 02:06:15,050
So like I said, with it in June, it probably will be estimates.

1420
02:06:15,070 --> 02:06:16,730
As close as we can get, obviously,

1421
02:06:17,190 --> 02:06:19,830
but it won't be an exact dollar and sent

1422
02:06:19,830 --> 02:06:22,730
things like the flea garage acquiring that and such.

1423
02:06:23,290 --> 02:06:25,370
But our finance director is working on that

1424
02:06:25,370 --> 02:06:27,210
and plans to have that as part of this plan.

1425
02:06:29,700 --> 02:06:30,940
You mentioned medical director.

1426
02:06:30,940 --> 02:06:34,600
So I got a call for the medical director just out the new one way here to the meeting.

1427
02:06:34,980 --> 02:06:37,640
I current medical director with the county.

1428
02:06:38,920 --> 02:06:43,420
Are we looking at changing the medical directors at what I heard you say or are we going to put out of the bid?

1429
02:06:44,060 --> 02:06:46,060
And what is the current medical director contract?

1430
02:06:46,400 --> 02:06:52,640
Is it two years, is it four years, would that transfer over, or would that be null and void at that time?

1431
02:06:52,860 --> 02:06:56,940
If we move forward, what's the process of asking those questions for me?

1432
02:06:56,940 --> 02:07:00,860
So when we rewrite the EMS system plan, we will have to designate a medical director.

1433
02:07:01,120 --> 02:07:03,260
It could be the exact same one that it is now.

1434
02:07:03,660 --> 02:07:10,580
That is one of the things that we would be discussing in that EMS operations work group, which we have not held yet.

1435
02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:12,740
June is getting pretty close.

1436
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:13,300
Yes sir.

1437
02:07:13,420 --> 02:07:14,320
We just love acquisition.

1438
02:07:14,700 --> 02:07:16,440
And I keep hearing that we haven't made.

1439
02:07:16,980 --> 02:07:18,040
You're going to meet.

1440
02:07:18,720 --> 02:07:20,780
But we have less than 90 days.

1441
02:07:23,060 --> 02:07:23,320
Yes.

1442
02:07:23,720 --> 02:07:26,000
We have started and stopped a few times.

1443
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:29,960
and we are currently waiting for leadership on both sides to meet before we can continue.

1444
02:07:30,000 --> 02:07:34,140
Our work group meetings. When leadership on both sides, what are you seeing specifically?

1445
02:07:36,440 --> 02:07:37,460
Michael, did you want to clarify?

1446
02:07:38,040 --> 02:07:59,100
Sure. We received letter from Fox and Roth's child to the informing us that the Pendry MS and Fire staff will not be allowed to meet with county staff until we meet as a group and establish the terms of the agreement.

1447
02:07:59,100 --> 02:08:05,120
for a merger, and so that would impair us from having meetings with Pender EMS and Fire

1448
02:08:05,120 --> 02:08:08,240
because of the instructions to not make the county staff.

1449
02:08:09,780 --> 02:08:16,520
So Pender EMS and Fire has hired a second attorney with taxpayer funds that they had

1450
02:08:16,520 --> 02:08:17,440
hired special counsel.

1451
02:08:17,760 --> 02:08:17,940
Yes sir.

1452
02:08:18,160 --> 02:08:18,360
That's...

1453
02:08:18,360 --> 02:08:22,820
At a rally, that is separate from their general counsel, Mr. Merchantson.

1454
02:08:23,520 --> 02:08:23,720
Okay.

1455
02:08:23,960 --> 02:08:25,420
So have two attorneys now?

1456
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:27,360
Yes sir.

1457
02:08:28,560 --> 02:08:35,180
with taxpayer funds and they've put a roadblock in front of us in the last day or two to

1458
02:08:35,180 --> 02:08:41,660
install this process I'm just trying to work through this but I want to make a comment for the

1459
02:08:41,660 --> 02:08:50,280
employees of the MS and Fire. I will not stop in protecting you and trying to follow through

1460
02:08:50,280 --> 02:08:54,700
what I've made a promise to those employees to do in a respectful,

1461
02:08:57,660 --> 02:08:59,820
transparent, professional way.

1462
02:09:00,720 --> 02:09:06,280
Every EMS and fire employee that's there now deserves this.

1463
02:09:07,020 --> 02:09:10,400
And I'm just one, but that's where I'm standing publicly.

1464
02:09:12,040 --> 02:09:12,540
Thank you.

1465
02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:19,120
The boss law firm is not a new attorney.

1466
02:09:20,520 --> 02:09:24,360
Yes, that is new legal representation for Pender EMS and fire.

1467
02:09:24,360 --> 02:09:30,180
is sir. Is that their level of specialty? Is it for him? I am not certain because I have not

1468
02:09:30,180 --> 02:09:35,520
worked with the firm. This is the first time I've heard about them is when I received an email yesterday

1469
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:40,980
evening and I have not had the opportunity to speak with them yet other than saying we perceived

1470
02:09:40,980 --> 02:09:44,600
your letter. So we have members of this board is on that board, right?

1471
02:09:46,780 --> 02:09:47,720
Currently that's correct,

1472
02:09:47,920 --> 02:09:52,920
and to my knowledge and you have won't board member an audience. To my knowledge, I knew nothing

1473
02:09:52,920 --> 02:09:59,700
of this until the communication from the county manager that someone had taken it on their

1474
02:09:59,700 --> 02:10:05,040
part for EMS and fired to hire this law firm. And I don't know if they're board of directors

1475
02:10:05,040 --> 02:10:11,980
net or not. That's what you all know. I would think I am, along with Vice Chair Springer.

1476
02:10:13,820 --> 02:10:17,060
So audience members in the audience. Yeah, so I'm not sure.

1477
02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:24,940
But I have no knowledge because I would have definitely not wanted to spend taxpayer money on an additional attorney.

1478
02:10:25,860 --> 02:10:27,800
So, how much is this attorney charging?

1479
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:31,140
I am not certain on that.

1480
02:10:31,260 --> 02:10:33,900
I've not had the opportunity to obtain that information.

1481
02:10:35,360 --> 02:10:38,320
I do think they cost more than probably local counsel.

1482
02:10:38,660 --> 02:10:42,980
I think that would be a fair assessment, but I do not have an hourly rate.

1483
02:10:42,980 --> 02:10:46,680
Sir, did you know anything about this? Did you know anything about hiring a council?

1484
02:10:50,730 --> 02:10:55,670
Nothing was brought to you as a board member to say that we did hire an additional council

1485
02:10:57,200 --> 02:11:02,650
Okay, thanks sir. Any other questions from this forum?

1486
02:11:02,830 --> 02:11:07,570
Oh, nice. Thank you so much for your diligent work so far and we look forward to to June

1487
02:11:09,510 --> 02:11:10,390
Thank you.

1488
02:11:15,990 --> 02:11:19,090
I want you 9.7 Mr. Hogan

1489
02:11:20,050 --> 02:11:21,690
Yeah, Mr. Chair

1490
02:11:22,490 --> 02:11:24,050
Commissioner's I was tasked with

1491
02:11:25,170 --> 02:11:34,950
doing the legal analysis of legal advertisement for Pender County and seeing other options

1492
02:11:40,570 --> 02:11:44,410
and while Madam Clerk is giving me the corner,

1493
02:11:46,650 --> 02:11:48,270
I will just let the commissioners know

1494
02:11:49,430 --> 02:11:58,370
that my analysis is strictly legal, how much is going to cause any, I do not, I do not

1495
02:11:58,370 --> 02:12:00,210
have that information?

1496
02:12:04,910 --> 02:12:07,270
Why me, you'll be able to talk, OK.

1497
02:12:07,730 --> 02:12:08,530
Thank you.

1498
02:12:09,150 --> 02:12:09,430
So

1499
02:12:12,280 --> 02:12:13,380
perfect.

1500
02:12:15,220 --> 02:12:17,220
So we got two issues here.

1501
02:12:17,220 --> 02:12:20,800
One is dealing with things that this county does,

1502
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:22,900
as far as given information out to the public.

1503
02:12:23,000 --> 02:12:26,700
That's not required by law, but to keep the public informed

1504
02:12:26,700 --> 02:12:27,920
of what the county is doing.

1505
02:12:27,920 --> 02:12:32,700
And those things are such as positions for boards and commissions,

1506
02:12:33,200 --> 02:12:35,480
community events, board meeting and genders.

1507
02:12:36,660 --> 02:12:41,280
Those things were not too worried about the commissioners

1508
02:12:41,280 --> 02:12:44,360
decide to go with the different newspaper and want

1509
02:12:44,360 --> 02:12:45,900
to do something concerning that.

1510
02:12:46,100 --> 02:12:48,640
No one can stop you there because there's no legal requirement

1511
02:12:48,640 --> 02:12:51,080
that you have to advertise it all for those things.

1512
02:12:51,680 --> 02:12:54,940
What we're talking really about is what is required

1513
02:12:54,940 --> 02:12:57,480
by law, public hearing notices, notices,

1514
02:12:58,660 --> 02:13:02,280
of quasi-judicial hearings, or even judicial hearings.

1515
02:13:02,940 --> 02:13:05,160
Notice the sales of negotiated offers upset

1516
02:13:05,160 --> 02:13:07,120
be it's for surplus property.

1517
02:13:07,540 --> 02:13:10,040
Those things are required by state law

1518
02:13:10,040 --> 02:13:12,700
and we are required to follow that.

1519
02:13:12,980 --> 02:13:18,140
The statute that we're looking at is NCGS-1-597-9899.

1520
02:13:20,540 --> 02:13:23,140
And you look at all those along with case law,

1521
02:13:23,140 --> 02:13:30,420
to see what is the role concerning our obligation to get that information out.

1522
02:13:31,020 --> 02:13:35,640
And one of the big things is on GS157, it talks about

1523
02:13:40,060 --> 02:13:42,200
it has to be with general circulation

1524
02:13:43,320 --> 02:13:51,360
and to actual pace of subscribers, admitted to the Postal Service Periodical Class in the

1525
02:13:51,360 --> 02:13:57,240
County and which the newspaper shall have in regularly and continuously issue in this

1526
02:13:57,240 --> 02:14:07,840
Now, the real question that has been brought up is published, where the newspaper's published.

1527
02:14:08,660 --> 02:14:10,720
That's never been defined by the courts.

1528
02:14:12,160 --> 02:14:14,140
So you have to look at other things.

1529
02:14:14,420 --> 02:14:19,160
And one of the case laws that the North Carolina Supreme Court, great Southern Media,

1530
02:14:19,800 --> 02:14:23,580
ink versus the Dow County, they kind of just talk about general circulation.

1531
02:14:23,740 --> 02:14:26,640
So they focus more on that as far as publication.

1532
02:14:26,640 --> 02:14:34,520
So, when we're looking at two newspapers that kind of qualify for that would be the

1533
02:14:34,520 --> 02:14:40,280
pentatopsal post-invoice because they circulate through the pentatopsal and also the

1534
02:14:40,280 --> 02:14:45,160
women's and star news, they also meet these qualifications.

1535
02:14:48,800 --> 02:14:56,580
One of the issues that I thought came up was I was made aware that we couldn't use the women's

1536
02:14:56,580 --> 02:14:59,860
we were always stuck with the poet.

1537
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:12,400
Post-in voice and I will have to disagree that that's not true. One of the stats you use if we look at, they both are circulated through the county. You can clearly choose either one.

1538
02:15:13,100 --> 02:15:21,420
But then the other thing that one argues that, well, the post-in voice are published here in the county, will then there will be the only newspaper in the county.

1539
02:15:21,420 --> 02:15:24,840
And there's a statute that definitely deals with that.

1540
02:15:24,940 --> 02:15:29,220
And that's 1-599, which states that

1541
02:15:31,270 --> 02:15:36,810
the provisions of 1-597 and 598 shall not apply in counties

1542
02:15:36,810 --> 02:15:38,950
where one newspaper is published.

1543
02:15:39,170 --> 02:15:42,670
So you can use another newspaper if there's only one newspaper.

1544
02:15:42,710 --> 02:15:44,610
If you're going to make that argument and say,

1545
02:15:44,730 --> 02:15:49,770
they're the only publisher in the county, this county does have the right to go to another

1546
02:15:49,770 --> 02:15:50,070
county.

1547
02:15:50,070 --> 02:15:57,010
So you have two arguments, one not argue that because the star news is circulated through the county,

1548
02:15:57,490 --> 02:15:59,190
we can argue that is published.

1549
02:15:59,710 --> 02:16:06,050
They can also follow that up using 1-598 and do an affidavit to certify their publication.

1550
02:16:06,230 --> 02:16:10,570
They can do an affidavit to that and I'm sure they will be allowed to do that and they will be willing to do that.

1551
02:16:11,270 --> 02:16:17,530
So legally, this county of the county chooses to, in the commission is choose to use a different newspaper.

1552
02:16:17,530 --> 02:16:24,990
You can't. There's nothing on the legal doing it now concerning the cost and what it will cost the taxpayer

1553
02:16:24,990 --> 02:16:27,750
That's a different story now. I'll have may have come up to talk about that

1554
02:16:28,490 --> 02:16:30,090
And if you got any questions

1555
02:16:30,650 --> 02:16:33,350
Concerned the legalities of it. I'll answer those questions now

1556
02:16:34,090 --> 02:16:37,090
Thank you Mr. Tugging anybody again questions. Oh from the start

1557
02:16:47,630 --> 02:16:51,530
I understand the definition of published is not where it was printed,

1558
02:16:51,770 --> 02:16:56,750
but I think people could get that confused as where it is not all of us is at,

1559
02:16:57,370 --> 02:17:00,530
where it's put into the periodical mail system.

1560
02:17:01,250 --> 02:17:06,690
John's first person was dealing with legal ads for foreclosure,

1561
02:17:07,530 --> 02:17:12,370
and then became known and bullied because it was not advertised in the county.

1562
02:17:13,590 --> 02:17:15,150
The newspaper was published now.

1563
02:17:15,150 --> 02:17:20,610
the issue was, it was not, it was not sent to the other county.

1564
02:17:20,990 --> 02:17:24,790
There weren't, it wasn't the periodocals weren't circulated in that county.

1565
02:17:24,850 --> 02:17:28,730
It was only circulated in the county where they paid for it.

1566
02:17:29,050 --> 02:17:31,430
So, because it wasn't circulated in the other county, you're correct.

1567
02:17:31,510 --> 02:17:36,090
It was known in the war, but the star news is published in this county.

1568
02:17:36,410 --> 02:17:38,290
And they have thousands of subscribers.

1569
02:17:39,650 --> 02:17:42,350
So, and if I'm not mistaken, I think it's about 10,000 subscribers.

1570
02:17:42,350 --> 02:17:49,970
So they can have that great Southern media case there they determine in that case that the number of

1571
02:17:50,770 --> 02:17:56,130
circulations that matter and I don't disagree with you with that when I'm saying is the

1572
02:17:56,130 --> 02:18:01,690
star news is circulated in the county because they have so many subscribers here want to make

1573
02:18:01,690 --> 02:18:07,250
the argument that is they will meet the definition of the publication and the other case you're

1574
02:18:07,250 --> 02:18:11,370
talking about, the paper wasn't being circulated in the other county.

1575
02:18:11,410 --> 02:18:13,830
It was only circulated in the county in which they paper.

1576
02:18:14,150 --> 02:18:18,530
So yes, no one in this other county would have ever known that there was a foreclosure

1577
02:18:18,530 --> 02:18:21,210
because the paper wasn't circulated to those subscribers.

1578
02:18:23,710 --> 02:18:25,090
Ms. Blue, I got a question.

1579
02:18:26,690 --> 02:18:32,350
And thank you for being able to hopefully help us navigate through some of these questions.

1580
02:18:33,050 --> 02:18:34,710
I do recall,

1581
02:18:36,970 --> 02:18:38,810
and I don't know, maybe you'll know,

1582
02:18:41,390 --> 02:18:47,150
let's just take the vast majority of legal ads in newspapers and publications.

1583
02:18:47,470 --> 02:18:52,970
Are they pretty, would you say that they're the foreclosures and stuff like that? Is that the vast majority?

1584
02:18:52,970 --> 02:19:00,450
So every month we have, I'd say, maybe like a whole page of legal ads, right, and a lot of

1585
02:19:00,450 --> 02:19:05,050
those come from the Clerk of Courts Office and from our tax attorney.

1586
02:19:06,610 --> 02:19:15,070
What we paid directly for is the government news section and any other advertisements that

1587
02:19:15,070 --> 02:19:17,450
we may do throughout the year.

1588
02:19:17,450 --> 02:19:29,790
And those, I would say they range, depending on how much is going on and how many RFPs we have or those kinds of things.

1589
02:19:30,190 --> 02:19:37,370
For instance, the year that there were school bond notifications that had to go out, those would cost additional.

1590
02:19:37,370 --> 02:19:45,390
In the past we had used the sarnage before when we had to make an exception for time.

1591
02:19:45,930 --> 02:19:51,070
I know a lot of the school bond stuff is specifically 10 days from this date to this date.

1592
02:19:51,390 --> 02:19:53,070
And with a weekly publication, that's more difficult.

1593
02:19:54,970 --> 02:19:58,610
But we've used both, both count.

1594
02:19:59,270 --> 02:20:01,630
But we typically use the possibility.

1595
02:20:01,630 --> 02:20:06,130
I mean, I think I have, we've given this presentation before,

1596
02:20:09,600 --> 02:20:12,480
so I have, so this is the numbers here.

1597
02:20:12,740 --> 02:20:16,900
Just to help on the foreclosure, you've come from the tax attorney.

1598
02:20:18,940 --> 02:20:26,700
So whatever is paid from the tax attorney, when that property is sold or mitigated, that comes back to the tax payer, right?

1599
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:29,460
So in essence, they get that money back.

1600
02:20:29,460 --> 02:20:36,560
Yeah, it is tax it is attached to the attached to the leaning of the foreclosure. Okay, that was my question

1601
02:20:43,240 --> 02:20:45,380
As far as what it would cost in the future

1602
02:20:45,380 --> 02:20:47,860
I really couldn't tell you and answered to that

1603
02:20:47,860 --> 02:20:54,020
I know that you know the pinnare process pretty consistent with their with what they charge us

1604
02:20:54,020 --> 02:20:58,260
I know that the star news when we have used them and you can see one

1605
02:20:58,260 --> 02:21:05,200
publication, and 2024 was over a thousand dollars. It is more expensive, but it does depend

1606
02:21:05,200 --> 02:21:12,280
on what day and all of that kind of thing. How big your ad is. They don't typically give

1607
02:21:12,280 --> 02:21:16,300
out pricing until they basically, they tell you to send them your ad and they'll tell you

1608
02:21:16,300 --> 02:21:21,460
how much it costs. So I really couldn't tell you how much it would cost in the future. I could

1609
02:21:21,460 --> 02:21:26,640
just tell you historical information and what that looks like for us.

1610
02:21:29,040 --> 02:21:32,060
Any other questions for Ms. Blue or Mr. Hogan?

1611
02:21:34,220 --> 02:21:35,960
I've got a question.

1612
02:21:39,160 --> 02:21:40,020
The second meeting.

1613
02:21:42,400 --> 02:21:44,700
So, like I imagine the items I have my name beside them.

1614
02:21:45,940 --> 02:21:47,300
Who's bringing this up? You, Mr. Hogan?

1615
02:21:48,880 --> 02:21:49,540
I'm sorry, sir.

1616
02:21:49,740 --> 02:21:52,560
You are the person bringing this item up on the agenda.

1617
02:21:52,680 --> 02:21:53,500
Your name is beside it.

1618
02:21:53,580 --> 02:21:54,320
Are you the one.

1619
02:21:54,480 --> 02:21:56,580
Did this research and recommend it is?

1620
02:21:56,640 --> 02:21:58,860
I was tasked with giving the...

1621
02:21:58,860 --> 02:21:59,480
By home.

1622
02:22:00,200 --> 02:22:01,060
By the county manager.

1623
02:22:01,060 --> 02:22:01,740
Um,

1624
02:22:07,590 --> 02:22:13,510
so I've had put your name beside these just because I figured you would be the one presenting it.

1625
02:22:13,530 --> 02:22:14,070
Yeah, that's correct.

1626
02:22:14,770 --> 02:22:22,750
Um, but for items that are Commissioner brought forward, but aren't necessarily going to be presented by

1627
02:22:22,750 --> 02:22:29,230
uh, said Commissioner or multiple commissioners if it's a, you know, multi commissioner requested item.

1628
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:39,940
If staff like how Michael had asked Andre and Meg to kind of tag team this item, for situations

1629
02:22:39,940 --> 02:22:46,000
like that, I usually do put the staff down since it would be the staff presenting. It's part of just

1630
02:22:46,000 --> 02:22:52,180
the way our agenda process works, staff put a presenter and typically I advertise because we do advertise

1631
02:22:52,180 --> 02:22:58,640
the agendas with whoever is presenting his name, just because sometimes people are

1632
02:23:00,200 --> 02:23:04,020
interested in seeing who's presenting the item, especially for having something like taxes,

1633
02:23:04,100 --> 02:23:08,760
and they want to know that it's Vincent Valuations coming, they know to come or like for

1634
02:23:08,760 --> 02:23:14,360
focus broadband, people are more inclined to come if they see Mr. Chris Ward coming rather than

1635
02:23:14,360 --> 02:23:20,520
say like Mr. Van, just because they'll be able to ask questions specifically to that person.

1636
02:23:20,520 --> 02:23:25,740
So that's why I typically advertise it that way, but for the items on your name for this agenda

1637
02:23:25,740 --> 02:23:28,020
I figured you would be the one

1638
02:23:28,480 --> 02:23:31,320
Steering the car. Yeah, if I put it up there, I want to own it

1639
02:23:31,320 --> 02:23:36,020
And I want to put it there and take good battery and different my question is who's specifically task you did

1640
02:23:36,020 --> 02:23:43,360
But decide I'm up here tonight. You're asking who task this input item. I believe it was a multi-commissioner

1641
02:23:43,360 --> 02:23:48,160
Well, it says commissioners. I want to recognize it wasn't me. Okay. So who was

1642
02:23:51,390 --> 02:23:54,530
this was addressed at the board workshop meeting

1643
02:23:55,030 --> 02:24:03,950
March 20th, and this was a live streamed event, and it was requested by a county commissioner,

1644
02:24:05,610 --> 02:24:16,610
and it was requested by a commissioner of gross that was on the online live streamed event.

1645
02:24:16,750 --> 02:24:17,950
The board workshop meeting.

1646
02:24:18,570 --> 02:24:28,690
I remember that, and I think I did have some conversation in that that it needs to be brought in an open meeting forum to be done the right way.

1647
02:24:29,070 --> 02:24:30,970
Yeah, I do concur with that.

1648
02:24:31,930 --> 02:24:37,830
So Ms. Blue, you're saying the calls with the Star News is what an average in what is the calls for the pinnipose voice?

1649
02:24:38,650 --> 02:24:40,730
I'm sorry, I grew up with it being the pinnipose voice.

1650
02:24:40,730 --> 02:24:41,150
Sure.

1651
02:24:42,830 --> 02:24:51,310
Neither have provided a specific fee per line or word or inch or anything like that.

1652
02:24:52,390 --> 02:24:54,430
We have asked for those things in the past.

1653
02:24:54,850 --> 02:25:00,330
It's just not typical because I think it changes depending on availability and demand

1654
02:25:00,330 --> 02:25:05,250
and what day of the week it is for instance the Sarnoose the Sunday Papers more expensive.

1655
02:25:05,250 --> 02:25:13,850
So they can't give you something that says, oh, well, and into the Sunday paper costs $X dollars when they don't even know that they can fit you in the Sunday paper.

1656
02:25:15,890 --> 02:25:23,170
So they basically, and the start news has told us to send them the advertisement, and they will send us back a quote.

1657
02:25:24,250 --> 02:25:31,330
We have kind of built-in space in the Piner Post and Voice, and they're pretty consistent with their pricing.

1658
02:25:31,330 --> 02:25:35,270
And if it's below the fold, it's a certain dollar amount, if it goes above and takes

1659
02:25:35,270 --> 02:25:40,770
that more of their space slightly more, but not nothing unreasonable.

1660
02:25:41,350 --> 02:25:42,470
Reason why I asked that.

1661
02:25:42,470 --> 02:25:47,030
One of my concerns is, I reckon, do you all need to communicate?

1662
02:25:49,420 --> 02:25:50,660
How you all do you, too?

1663
02:25:57,260 --> 02:26:13,820
OK, they sent Lexia some rate information for per column inches is 27.46, ROP legal BCI is 16.77,

1664
02:26:14,360 --> 02:26:19,000
affidavits $5, and per line day rates $2.86.

1665
02:26:21,140 --> 02:26:27,260
We request this for an appendipose voice so we could have equal information to compare fairly.

1666
02:26:31,130 --> 02:26:32,410
So I did not.

1667
02:26:33,230 --> 02:26:39,930
I was just looking, I had the twenty twenty four one legal ad, the one thousand fifty

1668
02:26:39,930 --> 02:26:43,130
dollars. That was my legal ad that I had to post.

1669
02:26:44,210 --> 02:26:48,370
Because there was a typo in the one we originally posted in the Pender Post.

1670
02:26:49,450 --> 02:26:51,690
So that's how I have this information.

1671
02:26:52,770 --> 02:26:55,470
I was just trying to get a gauge on what their costs were.

1672
02:26:55,650 --> 02:26:57,470
These are still their same costs.

1673
02:26:58,410 --> 02:27:02,810
I'm not entirely sure what the PenderPosts cost per section.

1674
02:27:03,110 --> 02:27:05,370
I can vouch for the county managers.

1675
02:27:06,130 --> 02:27:08,050
I know our last bill was 1300.

1676
02:27:09,570 --> 02:27:14,150
It was, I think it was 1320 for the month of March.

1677
02:27:14,690 --> 02:27:16,410
So I can only vouch for my department.

1678
02:27:16,410 --> 02:27:20,170
Meg had would have a much better understanding if like the overview of the whole county.

1679
02:27:20,210 --> 02:27:25,430
Yeah, there's, as you can see, it's, you know, there's 200 demoises from last year, 300 from

1680
02:27:25,430 --> 02:27:32,390
the year before 68 from this year, but it's not directly divisible because like Lexi said the, the government

1681
02:27:32,390 --> 02:27:35,470
news section is more because it's larger.

1682
02:27:37,150 --> 02:27:40,410
So, I can provide you as much as you feel as you'd like.

1683
02:27:40,750 --> 02:27:41,830
I'm happy to do that.

1684
02:27:41,830 --> 02:27:46,790
the government newsport is not regulated by statute, right? That's just something we

1685
02:27:46,790 --> 02:27:52,410
inform citizens on. Unless it includes public hearing notices or upset bits, yes.

1686
02:27:54,030 --> 02:28:00,830
I remember being on this board, I think it was in 2007 to 2008 when we started a government news and

1687
02:28:00,830 --> 02:28:05,910
it was called a group of citizens over an open-point area came to us in the community and I met with

1688
02:28:05,910 --> 02:28:10,350
them. I remember meeting with them in their home and they were concerned about agenda items being passed

1689
02:28:10,350 --> 02:28:14,550
to gender without the public have a notice. At that time, it was a number of items passed,

1690
02:28:14,630 --> 02:28:19,050
and the public was not notified. And so those citizens asked us to reach out to the

1691
02:28:19,050 --> 02:28:23,290
P into Post and Voice and started advertising that information and it newsed the agenda.

1692
02:28:23,850 --> 02:28:30,050
I remember that. I started. And to my, I suppose I'm sitting here thinking, these folks are

1693
02:28:30,050 --> 02:28:35,670
doing free advertising with us for the county to keep the citizens employed for almost over a decade.

1694
02:28:37,030 --> 02:28:42,070
to clarify your point, they do not charge us to put our agendas in the post-employee to

1695
02:28:42,070 --> 02:28:43,330
just the government news section.

1696
02:28:44,270 --> 02:28:47,430
So we would be dismissing someone who did all of this free work for us to keep the public

1697
02:28:47,430 --> 02:28:48,010
in form.

1698
02:28:50,210 --> 02:28:53,530
Twenty years of telling them, they think, say, getting out for twenty years of keeping us

1699
02:28:53,530 --> 02:28:58,150
in form free of charge, I represent a district that a lot of my citizens struggle to pay

1700
02:28:58,150 --> 02:28:59,610
their light bill.

1701
02:28:59,990 --> 02:29:05,450
And I asked them to pay $441, many of them and I'm not trying to be bragging, many of them

1702
02:29:05,450 --> 02:29:07,510
I've been a college president like myself and so forth.

1703
02:29:07,610 --> 02:29:12,430
These are grassroots citizens, and a lot of them cannot afford $441.

1704
02:29:15,840 --> 02:29:20,360
And so, in saying that what will happen to my citizen if that's their neighbor?

1705
02:29:20,500 --> 02:29:23,240
We've had problems in this county when people property taxed.

1706
02:29:23,240 --> 02:29:28,460
I was on this board when I got a phone call about someone property was sold and it even

1707
02:29:28,460 --> 02:29:30,160
was up for be it.

1708
02:29:30,420 --> 02:29:33,640
To clarify, I'm not asking anyone to do anything differently.

1709
02:29:34,140 --> 02:29:35,040
I'm just presenting.

1710
02:29:43,980 --> 02:29:52,060
I don't like asking someone to do something free. And then when we get up means we can look at you and tell you, no thanks and I'll need you no more. That's not me.

1711
02:29:53,700 --> 02:29:57,520
What is the cost of what is the cost of a newspaper from the Star News?

1712
02:29:59,160 --> 02:29:59,980
I don't know the answer.

1713
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:04,560
To that question. $2 or $2 or $2.50.

1714
02:30:05,680 --> 02:30:10,420
Okay. Mr. Hogan, you said how many subscribers they have store news?

1715
02:30:11,340 --> 02:30:15,120
I was just given an estimate, just a few days ago.

1716
02:30:15,620 --> 02:30:16,060
Vice chair.

1717
02:30:16,380 --> 02:30:17,940
Okay, I know what was that?

1718
02:30:18,280 --> 02:30:18,760
10,000.

1719
02:30:19,140 --> 02:30:21,020
Okay, Mr. Blue, do you know how many subscribers,

1720
02:30:22,080 --> 02:30:24,300
Pinter, boy's house, Pinter postboy?

1721
02:30:24,400 --> 02:30:25,380
I have no idea.

1722
02:30:26,180 --> 02:30:27,340
Would you like to?

1723
02:30:27,340 --> 02:30:27,780
Yes, sir.

1724
02:30:41,020 --> 02:30:43,960
Okay, that's why I'm asking you sir, what

1725
02:30:47,190 --> 02:30:51,450
so my question sir was how many subscribers do you have in Pinter County?

1726
02:31:01,020 --> 02:31:02,740
Okay, thanks sir.

1727
02:31:03,620 --> 02:31:06,080
Mr. Chair, let me jump in.

1728
02:31:06,380 --> 02:31:07,100
Yes sir.

1729
02:31:08,740 --> 02:31:11,120
It's time to cut through the chase.

1730
02:31:12,080 --> 02:31:15,160
Watch where he puts the camera, it'll be straight to me.

1731
02:31:16,900 --> 02:31:20,000
And that's fine, he's been doing it for 27 months.

1732
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:20,780
Mr. Greg?

1733
02:31:21,600 --> 02:31:23,020
No, let's just be professional.

1734
02:31:23,140 --> 02:31:23,560
Let's just be professional.

1735
02:31:23,560 --> 02:31:24,660
Let's just cut through the chase.

1736
02:31:25,060 --> 02:31:25,760
Let's be professional.

1737
02:31:26,100 --> 02:31:30,000
This is what we as three county commissioners have to put out with it.

1738
02:31:34,730 --> 02:31:37,910
And it says money or pay him for this.

1739
02:31:38,470 --> 02:31:40,070
And it's time for the stop.

1740
02:31:40,330 --> 02:31:40,710
This quick.

1741
02:31:40,870 --> 02:31:41,950
I'll call it a question.

1742
02:31:43,330 --> 02:31:43,450
All right.

1743
02:31:44,050 --> 02:31:45,310
So discussion is over.

1744
02:31:45,470 --> 02:31:46,590
Do we.

1745
02:31:46,610 --> 02:31:48,650
So I'll entertain anything from the board.

1746
02:31:48,950 --> 02:31:49,470
Excuse me.

1747
02:31:49,470 --> 02:31:53,150
I have someone consulted the county clerk to see what her opinion on this matter is.

1748
02:31:53,150 --> 02:31:55,270
I asked you to do that, Mr. Tony, did we do that?

1749
02:31:57,290 --> 02:32:00,030
There's been discussion, and I also wanted to clarify,

1750
02:32:00,590 --> 02:32:04,130
Lexi did reach out to the school of government as part of this,

1751
02:32:04,150 --> 02:32:08,290
and they said it was up to the commissioners as to which paper would go to,

1752
02:32:08,410 --> 02:32:11,790
but suggested that she can so with Andre and myself and Andre,

1753
02:32:11,990 --> 02:32:15,030
and I talked multiple times up to an including this morning,

1754
02:32:15,210 --> 02:32:19,110
and I supported his analysis of the way it was done.

1755
02:32:19,270 --> 02:32:20,490
Did you contact the clerk?

1756
02:32:21,690 --> 02:32:22,930
I spoke with Lexi.

1757
02:32:22,950 --> 02:32:24,150
You know the clerk of court.

1758
02:32:24,570 --> 02:32:26,130
Oh, the clerk of the court.

1759
02:32:26,210 --> 02:32:29,110
I asked him to watch out her to see what her opinion was regarding this matter.

1760
02:32:29,350 --> 02:32:30,730
Since she's going to have to probate, right?

1761
02:32:30,850 --> 02:32:34,050
She's going to have to accept, if we're going to accept that, he's state or whatever it is.

1762
02:32:34,190 --> 02:32:35,910
Once the file on is done, is that right?

1763
02:32:36,190 --> 02:32:36,430
Yes.

1764
02:32:37,330 --> 02:32:43,250
And it's my understanding that yes, the store news is accepted as advertising for that.

1765
02:32:43,390 --> 02:32:44,010
And they're our clients.

1766
02:32:44,010 --> 02:32:48,950
So the clerk of the court, I did not speak with her, I spoke with one of her assistant.

1767
02:32:48,950 --> 02:32:55,370
that's not what she told me okay then that may be but there is currently one being

1768
02:32:55,370 --> 02:33:00,770
run that uses that so no I'm not again I'm asking that's what I was told

1769
02:33:00,770 --> 02:33:04,630
in the States division I'm sorry I don't remember the name the lady I spoke

1770
02:33:05,830 --> 02:33:10,690
with but that would be because you what you do you follow in the day with the

1771
02:33:10,690 --> 02:33:16,330
court training it satisfies the requirement and there are other current and

1772
02:33:16,330 --> 02:33:21,050
is an estate that is advertising there.

1773
02:33:21,690 --> 02:33:25,050
But I'm not told me specifically that she would not accept it or would not be accepted.

1774
02:33:26,070 --> 02:33:28,490
And that is her decision yet.

1775
02:33:28,870 --> 02:33:30,890
That's why I ask you to reach out to her for legal opinion.

1776
02:33:31,370 --> 02:33:34,070
So we would not be suspect in our speaking for her today.

1777
02:33:34,190 --> 02:33:35,890
I want to spend it to the record.

1778
02:33:36,390 --> 02:33:37,550
This is why she told me.

1779
02:33:40,000 --> 02:33:41,380
I was going to call for the question.

1780
02:33:43,890 --> 02:33:46,690
Mr. Chair, I think it's time to bring this to a vote.

1781
02:33:47,750 --> 02:33:49,950
Would entertain you to motion of the board?

1782
02:33:51,750 --> 02:33:55,430
We use the star news from this day out.

1783
02:33:55,690 --> 02:33:56,410
A second.

1784
02:33:56,630 --> 02:34:00,130
Do that motion to use the star news for legal advertisement?

1785
02:34:00,170 --> 02:34:01,010
Legal advertisement?

1786
02:34:01,750 --> 02:34:02,190
All advertising.

1787
02:34:03,610 --> 02:34:06,390
Anything to do with the citizen's opinion again.

1788
02:34:07,410 --> 02:34:08,670
That motion is on the floor.

1789
02:34:09,090 --> 02:34:10,030
And it's been seconded.

1790
02:34:11,190 --> 02:34:11,990
All those in favor.

1791
02:34:12,330 --> 02:34:14,330
Signify the saying, I, raise your hand.

1792
02:34:14,810 --> 02:34:15,030
Aye.

1793
02:34:15,030 --> 02:34:16,710
Those opposed?

1794
02:34:17,690 --> 02:34:17,870
Two.

1795
02:34:18,250 --> 02:34:19,250
Three to two.

1796
02:34:20,010 --> 02:34:20,370
Next item.

1797
02:34:20,770 --> 02:34:21,770
9.8.

1798
02:34:25,020 --> 02:34:26,360
Mr. Ramirez.

1799
02:34:51,220 --> 02:34:51,840
Madam.

1800
02:34:56,370 --> 02:34:57,680
Thank you, Mr. Ramirez.

1801
02:34:58,830 --> 02:35:00,150
Good evening, commissioners.

1802
02:35:00,430 --> 02:35:01,490
My name is Doria Ramirez.

1803
02:35:01,730 --> 02:35:02,930
I'm the Project Manager for the County.

1804
02:35:04,070 --> 02:35:05,010
Item 9.8.

1805
02:35:05,450 --> 02:35:06,010
9.8.

1806
02:35:06,070 --> 02:35:11,590
I am presenting as an approval for a budget ordinance amendment to reallocate.

1807
02:35:11,590 --> 02:35:20,030
$91,220 and $87 from two projects, parts projects that are being closed out.

1808
02:35:20,950 --> 02:35:25,410
One of those projects would be the Pender Memorial Park Project, and also the Penderly

1809
02:35:25,410 --> 02:35:31,890
Community Project, the accounting folks within the Finance Department need to close those

1810
02:35:31,890 --> 02:35:38,270
projects out, and we are requesting to re-elicate that money into the Hampstead Coannas Park

1811
02:35:38,270 --> 02:35:45,150
project to help that throughout the project life cycle and into the close-out phase of October

1812
02:35:45,150 --> 02:35:57,630
2025, 2025, currently the budget for the Kiwanis Park project is sitting at estimated $5,750

1813
02:35:57,630 --> 02:36:05,290
and $32.39, which doesn't leave us much buffer room to essentially carry out the project

1814
02:36:05,290 --> 02:36:09,910
with any other potential contingency items that might come up until project close out.

1815
02:36:11,630 --> 02:36:18,330
From the last spreadsheet, the potential change orders that the county manager sent to

1816
02:36:18,330 --> 02:36:23,830
y'all last Thursday, you might have noticed that there is a pending change order for that project.

1817
02:36:24,190 --> 02:36:29,590
It is for a Jack and Boer essentially to tap into Pender County utilities, waterline,

1818
02:36:29,590 --> 02:36:35,310
under-slued point road and that provide water into the new picnic shelter facility.

1819
02:36:36,510 --> 02:36:43,930
That, and I can get a little bit into the background for that specific issue, but that immediately,

1820
02:36:45,050 --> 02:36:52,870
these 91,000 would help cover that change order and cover that cost to ensure that the picnic shelter

1821
02:36:52,870 --> 02:36:57,950
will have running water for all the facilities. Is there water there now on the site?

1822
02:36:57,950 --> 02:37:06,770
There is water at the concessions building and at the other restroom facility on the other side close to the country club.

1823
02:37:07,490 --> 02:37:08,090
However,

1824
02:37:10,210 --> 02:37:13,950
a little bit about that, and facilities can attest to this.

1825
02:37:14,270 --> 02:37:24,970
They have issues right now with the piping and the sizing to the concessions stand where if you have all or many of the toilets function at once, they kind of run out of water real quick.

1826
02:37:24,970 --> 02:37:29,890
So extending that line from the concessions building was visited.

1827
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:51,340
However, it was found to be not sufficient. That's what we are trying to tap the waterline nearest to where the picnic shelter is going to be, which is probably about 200-300 feet away from where it currently is being built to have adequately sized line to be able to feed that facility.

1828
02:37:51,340 --> 02:37:58,420
I know when you're born to a roadway. That's expensive. Yes it is. And that just so you all know that that

1829
02:37:58,420 --> 02:38:06,760
calls for that. Jack and Boar is $28,678 dollars which we've gotten priced out. And this issue kind

1830
02:38:06,760 --> 02:38:12,760
of goes back to my early days as a project manager here as when we started noticing that that was

1831
02:38:12,760 --> 02:38:20,920
going to be an issue, it was not properly designed or planned during the initial phases of

1832
02:38:20,920 --> 02:38:21,920
the project's design.

1833
02:38:23,880 --> 02:38:28,200
So notice instead of doing a near-site tap, it would require a Jack and Bore on their

1834
02:38:28,200 --> 02:38:32,320
suit point, which is with that price, their reflects.

1835
02:38:34,380 --> 02:38:41,080
So this item, the 91,000 is money saved for those other projects, right?

1836
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:41,720
Yes, sir.

1837
02:38:41,720 --> 02:38:44,880
And you want to reallocate it to another part.

1838
02:38:45,180 --> 02:38:47,540
Yes, I would hope we'd be saving money on all three projects

1839
02:38:47,540 --> 02:38:53,700
and saving the citizens money instead of just rerouting that, but that's just me.

1840
02:38:54,300 --> 02:38:54,460
Yes, sir.

1841
02:38:55,340 --> 02:38:59,580
If the Jack Moore gets addressed,

1842
02:39:00,220 --> 02:39:03,740
and no other contingencies come up until the closeout,

1843
02:39:04,780 --> 02:39:10,700
we can potentially return 62,000 roughly 62,000 back to the general fund

1844
02:39:10,700 --> 02:39:13,020
after Kuanus closes out.

1845
02:39:13,200 --> 02:39:15,980
Any other questions for Mr. and there is on the item?

1846
02:39:16,980 --> 02:39:19,560
I don't want to wish this.

1847
02:39:19,720 --> 02:39:21,480
Make the motion for approval.

1848
02:39:21,540 --> 02:39:22,900
Motion for approval is on the table.

1849
02:39:23,100 --> 02:39:24,000
Do we have a second?

1850
02:39:24,380 --> 02:39:24,600
Second.

1851
02:39:25,100 --> 02:39:25,880
Motion on the second.

1852
02:39:26,400 --> 02:39:27,560
So all those in favor, if you can, obviously,

1853
02:39:27,760 --> 02:39:28,740
I raise your hand.

1854
02:39:29,500 --> 02:39:30,400
Thank you, sir.

1855
02:39:31,180 --> 02:39:31,540
Thank you.

1856
02:39:31,780 --> 02:39:34,720
Item 9.9, you're still up, sir.

1857
02:39:41,400 --> 02:39:43,420
Gentlemen, this item 9.9 was brought up

1858
02:39:43,420 --> 02:39:45,380
at the April 7th meeting

1859
02:39:45,380 --> 02:39:47,260
and was tabled at that point.

1860
02:39:47,980 --> 02:39:52,540
We have gone back and discussed with the Bobbit, the construction firm.

1861
02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:57,360
They've re-addressed some issues with the town of Bergau's planning department.

1862
02:39:58,540 --> 02:40:05,790
So we're previously, we were planning on cutting down the trees that you see in this slide

1863
02:40:05,790 --> 02:40:14,310
here and replenishing them along that buffer zone there, which is in line with the community.

1864
02:40:15,510 --> 02:40:21,690
The town of Bergau approved that we wouldn't have to reply them there in that specific location.

1865
02:40:22,030 --> 02:40:31,450
And we can replant them elsewhere along the property lines, which if you see the item or the area there identified in purple, which is the tree preservation area.

1866
02:40:31,630 --> 02:40:35,170
So that is the area that we would target to replant these 28 trees.

1867
02:40:36,130 --> 02:40:40,210
The species we removed the species on all those concerns about the red maples.

1868
02:40:40,210 --> 02:41:01,030
So right now, instead of specifying exactly what we were replant, we're asking to establish the allowance for planning 28 trees, and that is going to be at Bob it's landscaping architect, a recommendation of a good tree that would fit well within that tree preservation area.

1869
02:41:01,550 --> 02:41:24,450
So really, the price did not change, it's still $44,961 for that change order and that amendment to that contract and it would be still encompassing the removal of the 28 trees and all for the replanting of 28 new trees and again establishing allowance for the replanting of 28 trees, the survey that had it get done and the contractors mark up.

1870
02:41:26,590 --> 02:41:29,970
Are they going to take the stops too? When they cut them trees, they're just going to cut them out.

1871
02:41:31,330 --> 02:41:32,830
I believe there are only any things.

1872
02:41:34,670 --> 02:41:35,190
Any questions?

1873
02:41:35,810 --> 02:41:37,410
On non-point none for Mr. Ramirez?

1874
02:41:38,510 --> 02:41:39,730
If not, one of the wishes?

1875
02:41:43,980 --> 02:41:44,700
Motion to approve.

1876
02:41:45,000 --> 02:41:45,520
On the table.

1877
02:41:45,860 --> 02:41:46,420
Have a second.

1878
02:41:47,280 --> 02:41:47,480
Second.

1879
02:41:48,280 --> 02:41:49,000
There's a favor, second.

1880
02:41:49,080 --> 02:41:49,860
I'm going to have a saying aye.

1881
02:41:49,980 --> 02:41:50,620
Raise your hand.

1882
02:41:51,960 --> 02:41:52,020
Aye.

1883
02:41:52,100 --> 02:41:52,500
Opposed?

1884
02:41:53,460 --> 02:41:53,740
All right.

1885
02:41:53,880 --> 02:41:54,400
Thank you, sir.

1886
02:41:54,720 --> 02:41:55,480
Thank you very much, General.

1887
02:41:58,860 --> 02:41:59,800
Item 9.10.

1888
02:42:01,020 --> 02:42:02,540
Dr. Commissioner Tape.

1889
02:42:05,230 --> 02:42:07,690
No point, one zero, sir.

1890
02:42:08,710 --> 02:42:13,930
This item is to look at a freeze of employment of hiring of county employees and spending

1891
02:42:13,930 --> 02:42:20,110
until we as a board get a detail spending analysis for calls and look at our debt service

1892
02:42:20,110 --> 02:42:20,910
for our county.

1893
02:42:21,590 --> 02:42:26,210
We know that each one of these agendas, I've only been on two, and it's costing us millions

1894
02:42:26,210 --> 02:42:28,550
and millions of dollars and these last two meetings alone.

1895
02:42:29,390 --> 02:42:33,890
My recommendation is tonight, or to ask favorly consideration among my colleagues.

1896
02:42:33,890 --> 02:42:40,910
If you two are concerned about a taxpayer's dollars here, is that someone has to assume the

1897
02:42:40,910 --> 02:42:46,910
leadership to cut the spending and cut between all of these calls, we have a new budget

1898
02:42:46,910 --> 02:42:49,050
year coming up in less than 90 days.

1899
02:42:49,370 --> 02:42:55,330
We're almost yearing in, unless it is an emergency item deemed by the county manager that

1900
02:42:55,330 --> 02:43:00,870
we suspend our hiring and spending as appropriate about a manager.

1901
02:43:01,230 --> 02:43:02,130
That is my recommendation.

1902
02:43:02,130 --> 02:43:05,870
to provide a little bit more oversight for our county dollars.

1903
02:43:06,210 --> 02:43:08,590
I'm very concerned about our spending level.

1904
02:43:09,070 --> 02:43:12,170
I even saw a post in the day that we are friends to spending.

1905
02:43:12,570 --> 02:43:17,690
Even some of my colleagues I believe on this board made a comment today out there and

1906
02:43:17,690 --> 02:43:20,110
is that there are two are concerned about it.

1907
02:43:21,790 --> 02:43:24,110
And so, consider a page was someone sent it to me.

1908
02:43:24,490 --> 02:43:31,110
So, I want to ask that we look at putting more oversight in place until we know more

1909
02:43:31,110 --> 02:43:34,950
about the spending because it seems not to be only my concern but I've heard

1910
02:43:34,950 --> 02:43:41,230
up from other colleagues that could communicate in terms of reports or details or

1911
02:43:41,230 --> 02:43:44,310
their specific things that the board would like to see or you'd like to see

1912
02:43:44,310 --> 02:43:50,190
Commissioner Taylor. I want to see where we at with our overall budget, where we

1913
02:43:50,190 --> 02:43:56,670
at, all we of, over budget and any departments, any line items, how we had, all

1914
02:43:56,670 --> 02:44:04,790
close to using all of those funds at those budget items, and maybe like a real in-depth

1915
02:44:04,790 --> 02:44:08,210
spending down analysis report where we can see where we are.

1916
02:44:09,930 --> 02:44:17,950
Also, if you don't mind, and how many current positions we have open right now that we

1917
02:44:17,950 --> 02:44:22,270
don't have a field that we've been trying to find to hire, is that so?

1918
02:44:24,910 --> 02:44:30,830
Maybe if we cut some of that cause, what we can do, Mr. Manager, is look at given a greater

1919
02:44:30,830 --> 02:44:31,250
incentive.

1920
02:44:31,590 --> 02:44:33,830
I'm really an advocate for employees getting higher salaries.

1921
02:44:33,970 --> 02:44:37,810
When I was on this board before, I was really advocating to bring out salaries up.

1922
02:44:37,810 --> 02:44:41,390
I do not like, and sure, of course, Smith is not here, but I used to sit a lot of times

1923
02:44:41,390 --> 02:44:42,050
when he was in the meeting.

1924
02:44:42,670 --> 02:44:46,370
I did not like every time we get deputies trained, they would leave us in two years.

1925
02:44:46,690 --> 02:44:47,790
They'd go into another county.

1926
02:44:48,190 --> 02:44:51,350
I remember being on a board, and we had to do big bios, which is sure of all of us because

1927
02:44:51,350 --> 02:44:53,070
staff, it was numbers were so low.

1928
02:44:53,070 --> 02:44:56,130
They had worked a lot of extra hours, no duties.

1929
02:44:56,570 --> 02:44:58,130
That's a lot of ability for the county,

1930
02:44:58,370 --> 02:44:59,810
so we did a mass payout at one time.

1931
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:08,040
I just want to make sure that we're in a position to offer the greatest level salaries for people to hire and attract the greatest level of talent.

1932
02:45:09,500 --> 02:45:12,800
And I think by doing call savings measures, we'll be able to do that.

1933
02:45:13,940 --> 02:45:15,320
Thank you for your feedback, Commissioner.

1934
02:45:23,790 --> 02:45:29,790
And to be clear, that you're making a motion to do that on the current right now, the open positions.

1935
02:45:29,790 --> 02:45:35,630
So, I'm making a motion that I hope you all give a consideration too, but if you don't understand,

1936
02:45:36,270 --> 02:45:42,830
I'm given a motion is to put a hiring freeze, a moratorium for all current employees,

1937
02:45:43,370 --> 02:45:47,950
as well as spending unless deemed critical need by the county manager.

1938
02:45:49,390 --> 02:45:53,870
He still has the authority to grant those positions at his approval.

1939
02:45:53,870 --> 02:45:54,630
And

1940
02:45:57,030 --> 02:46:03,650
when you say spending, just help me there, everything currently under budget going through is.

1941
02:46:03,650 --> 02:46:05,290
Why does this spend a limit for the partners?

1942
02:46:06,830 --> 02:46:09,270
It's a 30,000 for approval.

1943
02:46:09,710 --> 02:46:11,350
For the county manager provide.

1944
02:46:11,430 --> 02:46:12,570
For a year level, right?

1945
02:46:12,650 --> 02:46:14,090
No, for the department he has, what is it?

1946
02:46:14,350 --> 02:46:17,090
That would be $9,000, but be $5,000.

1947
02:46:17,190 --> 02:46:19,750
Any dollars is a bar of $5,000.

1948
02:46:20,010 --> 02:46:21,470
It must be approved by the county manager.

1949
02:46:22,770 --> 02:46:23,130
All right.

1950
02:46:23,130 --> 02:46:24,130
That might be interesting.

1951
02:46:24,250 --> 02:46:25,830
In Meg, what, thousand?

1952
02:46:29,460 --> 02:46:32,920
You all tell me one thing and that you consistently come back and say something different.

1953
02:46:33,160 --> 02:46:33,680
Every time.

1954
02:46:33,800 --> 02:46:34,220
It just happens.

1955
02:46:34,400 --> 02:46:36,300
I won't do that, I promise.

1956
02:46:36,900 --> 02:46:41,640
I actually have prepared a presentation that does answer your questions that you asked.

1957
02:46:42,420 --> 02:46:44,380
If you'd like me to go there, I'm happy to do that.

1958
02:46:44,520 --> 02:46:46,580
If not, I can wait and provide it another time.

1959
02:46:46,600 --> 02:46:48,660
I think we got budget work sessions coming up, right?

1960
02:46:49,700 --> 02:46:50,140
Yes.

1961
02:46:51,860 --> 02:46:53,600
And that would probably be the appropriate place.

1962
02:46:53,780 --> 02:46:54,040
Okay.

1963
02:46:54,040 --> 02:46:58,760
But the P.O. Thresh Hold is $1,000.

1964
02:46:59,440 --> 02:47:01,080
Okay. So that made me think that we were going to get

1965
02:47:01,080 --> 02:47:04,060
over 1,000. It's only required both me and the county manager

1966
02:47:04,060 --> 02:47:07,120
to approve it. Right. Well, what would I get $5,000?

1967
02:47:07,480 --> 02:47:11,080
$5,000 is our capital outlay. Thresh Hold basically we

1968
02:47:11,080 --> 02:47:15,260
capitalize anything over $5,000. Which means we

1969
02:47:15,260 --> 02:47:18,120
depreciated. I would say that anything above

1970
02:47:18,120 --> 02:47:22,400
$5,000 has to be approval. I don't want people to

1971
02:47:22,400 --> 02:47:27,160
back to the manager for a copy machine or they already do. But then let's do a thousand

1972
02:47:27,160 --> 02:47:31,540
dollars. Okay. Yep. For the price of dollars. All right. So that motion is on the table

1973
02:47:31,540 --> 02:47:38,620
is there a second? Second. Motion and a second. All those in favor of 9.10 as stated by

1974
02:47:38,620 --> 02:47:46,520
Dr. T. SIG5 saying hi, raise your hand. Okay. Any opposed? All right. 9.11. Sir.

1975
02:47:48,560 --> 02:47:48,880
Yes, ma'am

1976
02:47:48,880 --> 02:47:52,540
a spray. You really should come to the podium because people in the public are really

1977
02:47:52,540 --> 02:47:54,220
I want to hear your comments as well.

1978
02:47:58,550 --> 02:48:00,630
My understanding is current open physicians.

1979
02:48:00,970 --> 02:48:02,430
Yes, that was my question.

1980
02:48:02,730 --> 02:48:05,130
So did you guys freeze recruiting positions

1981
02:48:05,130 --> 02:48:06,010
but get positions?

1982
02:48:06,450 --> 02:48:07,890
I don't remember that in your room.

1983
02:48:08,150 --> 02:48:09,610
We're not current positions.

1984
02:48:10,130 --> 02:48:13,190
I think we're at the motion set in a new position

1985
02:48:13,190 --> 02:48:14,670
going forward as of tonight.

1986
02:48:14,970 --> 02:48:16,910
That's why I want it my motion to say rather.

1987
02:48:17,210 --> 02:48:17,990
OK, new positions.

1988
02:48:18,290 --> 02:48:19,090
That's what I understood.

1989
02:48:19,930 --> 02:48:20,170
OK.

1990
02:48:23,150 --> 02:48:25,030
So like the tax administrator, you should be adequately

1991
02:48:25,030 --> 02:48:26,370
continuing on that.

1992
02:48:31,810 --> 02:48:37,690
Now point one one sir. We have been in many meetings over the last couple weeks. My

1993
02:48:37,690 --> 02:48:43,350
self and months with the union folk and I believe all of y'all see everybody on this

1994
02:48:43,350 --> 02:48:48,130
boy we see each other schedules everybody as public servants were very very busy

1995
02:48:48,130 --> 02:48:54,310
which is we need to be. That's why we ask for it. But at the same time we are addressing

1996
02:48:54,310 --> 02:49:00,790
the same issue over and over and over again and not getting any results. And so this union

1997
02:49:00,790 --> 02:49:12,270
issue is here tonight. Now, I want to ask to board. Is that if a union can be me all local state

1998
02:49:12,270 --> 02:49:18,790
and the medical directors requirements to be able to be a subcontractor that we enter into

1999
02:49:18,790 --> 02:49:24,410
a subcontractor agreement with union. I'm taking all the emotions out and I'm looking at what's

2000
02:49:24,410 --> 02:49:31,450
four of the people of the district. I have tried to meet with pending MS and my MS chief

2001
02:49:31,450 --> 02:49:37,130
several times. I've had a report to come to my house or the morning, afternoon, about this

2002
02:49:37,130 --> 02:49:41,770
issue, those are sport and those against it. And I think it's time for us to take some actions.

2003
02:49:42,350 --> 02:49:47,310
I mean, we started this discussion back in September before I got on the board. And tonight,

2004
02:49:47,650 --> 02:49:53,690
I'm very concerned that we still haven't moved to the level of camaraderie. I thought we

2005
02:49:53,690 --> 02:49:55,790
you have at this point between the two organizations.

2006
02:49:56,290 --> 02:49:58,030
So I've got to do what I think is in the best interest.

2007
02:49:58,750 --> 02:50:00,810
Now, Mr. Turner, I'm going to refer to you again tonight.

2008
02:50:01,270 --> 02:50:03,530
You and I spoke about 11 o'clock on Friday night.

2009
02:50:03,530 --> 02:50:06,190
I think it was a late one Friday night this week

2010
02:50:06,190 --> 02:50:08,310
or either last Friday, thank you for your time.

2011
02:50:08,950 --> 02:50:14,110
My question to you, have you reviewed, legal advice,

2012
02:50:14,330 --> 02:50:16,650
and stated advice to be able to assure me

2013
02:50:16,650 --> 02:50:18,130
that whatever I'm doing tonight, first,

2014
02:50:18,210 --> 02:50:21,210
because I want to dispel any rumors out there.

2015
02:50:21,210 --> 02:50:25,050
Nothing that we're doing tonight will harm any way PIN or EMS. Is that correct?

2016
02:50:37,430 --> 02:50:43,120
We are ready for the merger. It will not affect the merger in any way.

2017
02:50:43,420 --> 02:50:48,280
It's right. That's what you share with me and that's what I want to make sure of.

2018
02:50:48,380 --> 02:50:51,920
I don't want to be accused of shutting down any five departments in it.

2019
02:50:52,500 --> 02:50:56,820
Union are good people. We don't want to be in the tension of this is going on.

2020
02:50:57,040 --> 02:51:01,160
We just want people served and their community and volunteers to help people.

2021
02:51:01,160 --> 02:51:05,320
taking all the emotion out on both sides of how we've tried to bring everybody together, which

2022
02:51:05,320 --> 02:51:11,540
I'll continue to try to do. But when we don't have any results there, on both sides, I've got to

2023
02:51:11,540 --> 02:51:16,480
do what we think is best for the district. And so my emotion would be tonight with the other

2024
02:51:16,480 --> 02:51:21,200
discussion, my members of my colleagues on the board, is that we entered into, and I did talk

2025
02:51:21,200 --> 02:51:26,320
to Donald Walls on the way here. He called me this afternoon, and I've got a follow-up meeting with

2026
02:51:26,320 --> 02:51:33,500
Because I do want to sit down with him and hear his concerns that he have, and to see, can we address those concerns?

2027
02:51:34,940 --> 02:51:54,560
My motion would be tonight to make sure, my motion, excuse me, is that we enter into a subcontract with the union, meet an all local state, OMS, requirements, and the medical director requirements and be in full compliance.

2028
02:51:55,260 --> 02:52:00,460
We enter in a contract more on May 22nd to make sure that happens.

2029
02:52:02,930 --> 02:52:04,230
Is there a motion on the table?

2030
02:52:04,550 --> 02:52:06,270
Is there any more discussion?

2031
02:52:06,490 --> 02:52:06,930
I'm sorry.

2032
02:52:08,350 --> 02:52:08,430
No.

2033
02:52:08,490 --> 02:52:08,850
No, Dr. Tate.

2034
02:52:09,050 --> 02:52:10,090
I'm not questioning you.

2035
02:52:10,110 --> 02:52:12,910
I know you've probably had some meetings, but what I would ask is if Dr.

2036
02:52:14,210 --> 02:52:20,170
Walls would specify he wants X, Y, and Z done, and this is going to run over that

2037
02:52:20,170 --> 02:52:20,810
May date.

2038
02:52:21,410 --> 02:52:24,970
Do you want to come back or revise that or what does that look like?

2039
02:52:25,410 --> 02:52:29,970
Well, what we can do that, that involves main concern that he's pressured me was to make sure that we have these.

2040
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:42,500
Just a while, training going on. Among all of there, there's one training entity, a name that he didn't mention, that his license is one is often not authority.

2041
02:52:42,900 --> 02:52:50,340
He wants to make sure that we have one system level training. I don't foresee that being a big problem. I really don't.

2042
02:52:50,340 --> 02:52:56,220
But we want to be, you know, you want to be in pork appliance.

2043
02:52:56,440 --> 02:52:59,960
They don't want to operate and show up without being in compliance with somebody's house.

2044
02:53:00,120 --> 02:53:01,100
We don't want that to happen.

2045
02:53:01,960 --> 02:53:06,640
So we want to make sure that just we have communication that them know what they need to do.

2046
02:53:06,820 --> 02:53:08,140
And what needs to happen, make this happen.

2047
02:53:08,360 --> 02:53:09,020
Is that right, Chief?

2048
02:53:10,220 --> 02:53:13,620
If there's any requirements, if you notify of that, you will meet those requirements.

2049
02:53:13,700 --> 02:53:14,180
Is it right?

2050
02:53:15,440 --> 02:53:22,780
I have full support in the full level of competence, so in saying that, that's my motion.

2051
02:53:23,540 --> 02:53:24,360
Any further discussion?

2052
02:53:25,180 --> 02:53:26,140
I do have a question.

2053
02:53:27,680 --> 02:53:34,440
What is it going to be a district or is it going to be counting what is the subcontractor,

2054
02:53:34,760 --> 02:53:35,840
where are they going to be located?

2055
02:53:36,200 --> 02:53:37,500
Just in a union district.

2056
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:38,900
Only in a union district.

2057
02:53:38,900 --> 02:53:42,440
So we have to draw a district for them.

2058
02:53:42,440 --> 02:53:48,140
that will trigger the public hearing thing if we. I don't know how this works. I'm asking.

2059
02:53:49,640 --> 02:53:56,160
Do they have a district now? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

2060
02:53:56,160 --> 02:54:00,600
Chief, can you come up here to the podium? Can you come up to the podium, Chief?

2061
02:54:01,060 --> 02:54:07,160
Do we have the MS districts? I know we have fire districts. We have the, I thought the county was a county wide EMS district.

2062
02:54:08,580 --> 02:54:15,860
Union Rescue Squad has a district that's outlined in the tax office and within the county,

2063
02:54:16,340 --> 02:54:21,080
and within the county system plan, it is outlined road by road.

2064
02:54:21,520 --> 02:54:24,360
It's been in place since 1981.

2065
02:54:26,020 --> 02:54:26,040
Okay.

2066
02:54:26,040 --> 02:54:31,860
You currently serve in April and a lot of more areas, and so this would affect the union district.

2067
02:54:31,860 --> 02:54:38,660
It would, but it would not eliminate our reason to do mutual aid.

2068
02:54:38,820 --> 02:54:42,720
We would continue mutual aid, just like we do for Dukeland County, Saps and County, or

2069
02:54:42,720 --> 02:54:42,960
wherever.

2070
02:54:43,380 --> 02:54:45,220
We would continue that.

2071
02:54:45,800 --> 02:54:50,020
This would just allow union to operate as a subcontractor, how about our own district,

2072
02:54:50,420 --> 02:54:54,720
to be able to provide M.S. services as allow by the state.

2073
02:54:55,260 --> 02:54:57,260
So, all we doing, it would be the same.

2074
02:54:57,940 --> 02:55:01,840
It would be the same thing that we did when we,

2075
02:55:01,840 --> 02:55:10,440
We're first chartered in 1981, and we were independent at the advanced level, and then in 2003, June

2076
02:55:10,440 --> 02:55:17,080
the 13th, actually, is when the county commissioners at that time chose not to allow us

2077
02:55:17,080 --> 02:55:20,880
to be a provider as we are, licensed by the government.

2078
02:55:20,900 --> 02:55:24,280
We need to tax dollars ago along with the revenue from the area.

2079
02:55:25,140 --> 02:55:35,500
We currently receive a payment, a portion of tax funding, which does not represent the tax revenue of our district.

2080
02:55:38,300 --> 02:55:40,860
I'm sure we can work with management on that to address that issue.

2081
02:55:41,000 --> 02:55:45,160
Right, Mr. Manager, make sure the allocation is properly addressed.

2082
02:55:45,160 --> 02:55:47,740
We're going to work with that finance director, and I can

2083
02:55:49,750 --> 02:55:50,310
misbehave.

2084
02:55:50,310 --> 02:55:51,190
really

2085
02:55:57,530 --> 02:56:03,590
in our tax system we only have one EMS district that is countywide. There's no

2086
02:56:03,590 --> 02:56:08,710
distinction between what's in union rescue district and what's in the rest of the county.

2087
02:56:08,890 --> 02:56:13,790
There may be lines and if that's the case we can figure out what the legal side of that

2088
02:56:13,790 --> 02:56:21,750
looks like. But as far as our tax collection system goes, no one has a union rescue line on

2089
02:56:21,750 --> 02:56:26,210
tax bill. But you're able to just see a map. But you are able to take those tax

2090
02:56:26,210 --> 02:56:29,850
records that Miss Gidians just spoke about. She'd get into just spoke about

2091
02:56:29,850 --> 02:56:33,110
and do a comparative analysis and come back and analyze those calls and pull them

2092
02:56:33,110 --> 02:56:39,110
out for you and is that correct? If GIS still has the layer built-in that

2093
02:56:39,110 --> 02:56:44,590
shows the line, we can do that. I just don't know what that looks like legally as

2094
02:56:44,590 --> 02:56:48,930
far as basically we're creating another charge code on our tax bill that we

2095
02:56:48,930 --> 02:56:50,170
don't currently have.

2096
02:56:53,950 --> 02:56:55,050
Well, we can go about an hour and one

2097
02:56:55,050 --> 02:56:55,870
one district is that right?

2098
02:56:56,310 --> 02:56:58,570
Yeah, no, I'm saying the area is fine.

2099
02:56:58,870 --> 02:57:03,370
It's just the fact that it's not a district in our tax system.

2100
02:57:03,730 --> 02:57:05,210
I don't know how that works.

2101
02:57:05,310 --> 02:57:06,810
Maybe tray has a better idea.

2102
02:57:07,450 --> 02:57:10,350
Or maybe Melissa is saying is all of the tax.

2103
02:57:10,510 --> 02:57:14,730
All of the EMS tax that is taxed on your tax form

2104
02:57:14,730 --> 02:57:20,130
goes directly to Pender EMS and they give us a portion

2105
02:57:20,130 --> 02:57:26,210
of our service district tax revenue, a portion of this group.

2106
02:57:27,630 --> 02:57:29,930
I understand all the revenue coming into the county.

2107
02:57:30,350 --> 02:57:32,430
What I'm asking is the separation of those funds.

2108
02:57:32,630 --> 02:57:37,470
Can you run a analysis in some way and with legal counsel's advice to see what those

2109
02:57:37,470 --> 02:57:38,870
dollars are and let's give them the union?

2110
02:57:39,210 --> 02:57:43,430
They can't have the service without the money to go along with it.

2111
02:57:43,550 --> 02:57:44,510
That's certain about the failure.

2112
02:57:45,230 --> 02:57:45,530
I understand.

2113
02:57:45,530 --> 02:57:57,250
I can figure out what the dollar amount is and split that up how we would like me to, but it just won't change the actual tax bills.

2114
02:57:57,570 --> 02:57:57,650
Okay.

2115
02:57:57,870 --> 02:58:01,310
What can you let the legal council do that in anything if we need to come back in and do clean this up?

2116
02:58:01,350 --> 02:58:01,870
We can do that.

2117
02:58:02,190 --> 02:58:03,590
Thank you.

2118
02:58:03,770 --> 02:58:06,750
I do have one question if I made Dr. Tate.

2119
02:58:06,910 --> 02:58:07,170
Sure.

2120
02:58:07,510 --> 02:58:10,530
You said to have it by May 22nd.

2121
02:58:11,350 --> 02:58:13,310
Are you referring to the next board meeting?

2122
02:58:13,310 --> 02:58:16,670
for me the second board meeting for me because that is May 19th.

2123
02:58:18,050 --> 02:58:22,070
The reason was the 22nd was for a reason that we identified.

2124
02:58:22,950 --> 02:58:28,870
Okay, okay, yeah, that's really fine. I just wanted to make sure that my minute to have

2125
02:58:28,870 --> 02:58:32,530
run. That gives you two days after the board meeting in case you have to get your minutes prepared

2126
02:58:32,530 --> 02:58:36,230
in technical things that we need to do in order to submit. Because I know they have this

2127
02:58:36,230 --> 02:58:41,010
to plan to OEMS. I think it is. If I'm saying that right office right now.

2128
02:58:41,310 --> 02:58:50,190
Yes, yes. Technically the county will be our plan when you admit. And I do want to say that that we

2129
02:58:50,190 --> 02:58:53,970
we would need that approved by the state before we could implement.

2130
02:58:54,650 --> 02:59:00,230
This is contingent upon the state's approval and meeting all local state and

2131
02:59:00,230 --> 02:59:07,710
And government entities that have any jurisdiction over this item, now that it's established

2132
02:59:07,710 --> 02:59:14,350
that it's legal proof to do this by you is that we meet all requirements, I'm not asking

2133
02:59:14,350 --> 02:59:18,170
when do anything illegal, I want to make sure we meet all legal requirements.

2134
02:59:20,050 --> 02:59:22,290
And I think the good people who you want to do that, is that right?

2135
02:59:23,310 --> 02:59:24,990
We just want to start with people.

2136
02:59:26,110 --> 02:59:27,750
Any further discussion?

2137
02:59:29,170 --> 02:59:29,990
If none.

2138
02:59:31,510 --> 02:59:33,030
But I don't want to hurt Mr. Chairman.

2139
02:59:33,230 --> 02:59:36,230
And I say this, I am not doing not want to hurt

2140
02:59:36,230 --> 02:59:39,030
P into M.S. and the services they provide in any way by

2141
02:59:39,030 --> 02:59:39,810
this motion here.

2142
02:59:40,290 --> 02:59:40,930
That is separate.

2143
02:59:40,930 --> 02:59:44,230
Some people have said that this motion is going to affect that.

2144
02:59:45,250 --> 02:59:47,610
There's all sorts of information out there as follows right now.

2145
02:59:47,790 --> 02:59:49,470
I'm hearing from Council.

2146
02:59:50,290 --> 02:59:52,630
So I want to record reflect what advice that I've received

2147
02:59:52,630 --> 02:59:58,610
the night is it will not affect Pender EMS current operations or the merger.

2148
03:00:01,200 --> 03:00:08,280
Well, I want to be clear. I mean, it may affect their operations. I'm sorry. Besides the tax dollars, it's a tax operations.

2149
03:00:09,740 --> 03:00:19,220
Okay. Yes. And it, my understanding is they provide the paid parameters to union current.

2150
03:00:19,860 --> 03:00:25,940
So if that is no longer the case, then that will require some shifting of things, but that

2151
03:00:25,940 --> 03:00:34,120
can be addressed as part of the budget, because again, the commissioners have subsidized

2152
03:00:34,120 --> 03:00:35,280
Pender EMS and file.

2153
03:00:35,280 --> 03:00:41,420
We still need it, and I'm not saying that dollars can be shifted from that subsidy,

2154
03:00:46,880 --> 03:00:46,880
because

2155
03:00:46,880 --> 03:00:52,360
depending on what the numbers are, but we can work on that as part of the process and part

2156
03:00:52,360 --> 03:00:53,800
of discussion with Nina.

2157
03:00:55,340 --> 03:00:58,920
We're not going to answer every question here tonight, but I want the motion to proceed.

2158
03:00:59,480 --> 03:00:59,540
All right.

2159
03:00:59,620 --> 03:01:01,060
The motion on the table is a second.

2160
03:01:01,320 --> 03:01:01,540
Second.

2161
03:01:02,060 --> 03:01:03,260
Motion in seconded.

2162
03:01:03,540 --> 03:01:05,800
So there's a favor of signify of the saying, aye, raise your hand.

2163
03:01:07,300 --> 03:01:07,780
He opposed.

2164
03:01:08,660 --> 03:01:09,320
Thank you.

2165
03:01:10,160 --> 03:01:10,780
So, thank you, gentlemen.

2166
03:01:10,780 --> 03:01:16,120
10.1 deciding for discussion tonight, Dr. Take, Commission Take?

2167
03:01:17,200 --> 03:01:18,420
Oh, I've got very interested in that.

2168
03:01:18,960 --> 03:01:23,720
All right, county policy for allowing county employees to drive county owned vehicles,

2169
03:01:24,320 --> 03:01:27,380
to inform a sign office place award in department here's residency.

2170
03:01:28,080 --> 03:01:30,740
I do realize that we can't tell people where to stay.

2171
03:01:31,280 --> 03:01:33,540
Okay, that's another thing I want to clarify.

2172
03:01:35,760 --> 03:01:39,780
However, Mr. Thurman, I look at you because you have institutional knowledge here.

2173
03:01:40,600 --> 03:01:45,320
I remember working with the other colleagues on this board and we came up with a policy

2174
03:01:45,320 --> 03:01:48,700
that allowed Department of Health to part out of the county.

2175
03:01:49,240 --> 03:01:53,940
It seemed like they parted their cars on Highway 421 that way at that time that they were coming

2176
03:01:53,940 --> 03:01:59,740
out of counties and whatever was near as the county line is what I want us to be able to do

2177
03:01:59,740 --> 03:02:08,280
is to, the bird drive in a county vehicle, for example, I have been told there's an county

2178
03:02:08,280 --> 03:02:12,720
employee that drives almost 100 miles a day to carry a beach of somewhere, somewhere,

2179
03:02:12,720 --> 03:02:17,580
in front of the county somewhere. You know, that's almost 100 miles a day, 100 miles a day.

2180
03:02:17,820 --> 03:02:25,240
That's 70 cents. If you look at ours rate per week, that's a large amount of money to the

2181
03:02:25,240 --> 03:02:30,720
county as well as if you look on a month in a yearly basis, not including the maintenance

2182
03:02:30,720 --> 03:02:34,560
calls for the vehicle and not just any of that employee out is several here. I mean

2183
03:02:34,560 --> 03:02:38,180
out here in Dupling County there's employees that drive Dupling. I hear there's employees

2184
03:02:38,180 --> 03:02:45,500
that drive to New Handover County and we need to make sure that all of these employees

2185
03:02:45,500 --> 03:02:50,860
if they're driving county vehicles, if it's not a job that's being critically necessarily

2186
03:02:50,860 --> 03:02:54,740
early in the state of emergency that they're part of vehicle on the county line.

2187
03:02:55,400 --> 03:02:59,420
We have to look no different than what our national government doing, every way that we can

2188
03:02:59,420 --> 03:03:00,680
save money for the taxpayers.

2189
03:03:01,560 --> 03:03:05,820
Again, this saving is going to allow us to get those that remain with us to greatest increases.

2190
03:03:06,500 --> 03:03:12,140
For Ms. HR to be able to go back and recruit the talent that we need.

2191
03:03:17,980 --> 03:03:20,980
I think Commissioner Tate makes some good points there.

2192
03:03:21,320 --> 03:03:21,760
I do.

2193
03:03:22,600 --> 03:03:28,260
I can remember as a county employee when you weren't even allowed to have a take home car.

2194
03:03:29,020 --> 03:03:33,300
I can remember when you were made to live in the county you worked in, but those days are gone.

2195
03:03:34,740 --> 03:03:40,820
But you do have some valid points, but there is also some benefits and some employees that are able

2196
03:03:40,820 --> 03:03:45,480
to have that added benefit of a take home vehicle because of that recruitment and retention.

2197
03:03:45,960 --> 03:03:51,100
There is some added benefit on both sides and I think it might need to be looked at like you see on the case by case basis.

2198
03:03:51,100 --> 03:03:55,000
And those that get this benefit of driving a car home, are we reporting out with areas?

2199
03:03:55,900 --> 03:03:58,300
That's an added benefit as you know we're required to report.

2200
03:03:59,360 --> 03:04:00,700
You know, it's not fair to me.

2201
03:04:00,860 --> 03:04:02,000
I'm just going to be honest with you.

2202
03:04:02,080 --> 03:04:05,340
I've had this happen in other places across the state.

2203
03:04:05,880 --> 03:04:12,140
I have a concern where it looks like we're giving corporate America benefits to certain employees.

2204
03:04:12,860 --> 03:04:15,600
Those that serve and manages office and certain other areas.

2205
03:04:16,120 --> 03:04:18,120
And then others are not just managers office,

2206
03:04:18,120 --> 03:04:22,220
but just served to report to management and across the board, across the state, many places.

2207
03:04:22,940 --> 03:04:29,640
But the end of people who work as clerks, who works as other important jobs, is not

2208
03:04:29,640 --> 03:04:34,620
to partner here, who are making a diminutive salary much lower than a department here, they're

2209
03:04:34,620 --> 03:04:39,860
having to buy gas to come to work and struggling to put a lower pay in salary when those who

2210
03:04:39,860 --> 03:04:44,860
have fancy titles getting a big salary, and they're going to be helpful in front of those

2211
03:04:44,860 --> 03:04:52,540
And you went along a row, right as low, in some areas, how would you feel you're not employing

2212
03:04:52,540 --> 03:04:58,560
you making $30,000, your supervisor is driving up making $125,000 and then they're getting

2213
03:04:58,560 --> 03:04:59,640
a vehicle in free gas.

2214
03:05:00,240 --> 03:05:03,280
It may not be popular, but it's my opinion.

2215
03:05:08,120 --> 03:05:09,040
It's a good discussion.

2216
03:05:10,240 --> 03:05:14,080
I would say Michigan manager, if you could, I don't know if the board would agree this

2217
03:05:14,080 --> 03:05:28,280
is to look at revising the policy to include maybe center point of the station here, not to go or

2218
03:05:28,280 --> 03:05:34,740
exceed 20 miles would that be okay with you, don't you think? 20 miles? 20 miles, whereas if they

2219
03:05:34,740 --> 03:05:38,980
exceed the 20 miles, they had to pay a portion out of their paycheck for their gas and

2220
03:05:38,980 --> 03:05:43,660
and maintenance whatever it comes out to be. Obviously you had to get it to fleet manager to figure

2221
03:05:43,660 --> 03:05:47,260
out, which vehicle was calls to and all that kind of thing.

2222
03:05:47,560 --> 03:05:51,620
In Vice Chair, Springer and Commissioner Tate, if you'd like us to do this, we can work

2223
03:05:51,620 --> 03:05:56,140
on some revisions and send the draft to the board to get feedback, then after we receive

2224
03:05:56,140 --> 03:05:59,820
feedback, we can bring it to the board for a official review and approval.

2225
03:06:00,340 --> 03:06:00,820
Thanks, sir.

2226
03:06:01,100 --> 03:06:05,180
I need it before, didn't like you did, did not you gave me this package when I sat down

2227
03:06:05,180 --> 03:06:05,400
tonight.

2228
03:06:05,480 --> 03:06:07,580
I need it before, so I can analyze and review it, okay?

2229
03:06:07,980 --> 03:06:08,160
Yes, sir.

2230
03:06:08,340 --> 03:06:12,020
One of the things is we did need to get the total cost for the vehicles and that was the reason

2231
03:06:12,020 --> 03:06:13,600
for the submission today.

2232
03:06:21,470 --> 03:06:22,550
Any further discussion?

2233
03:06:23,110 --> 03:06:26,370
So we'll get that in the near future.

2234
03:06:26,750 --> 03:06:28,190
Coming back, I think it's some good discussions.

2235
03:06:28,250 --> 03:06:30,750
Moving into the budget work sessions

2236
03:06:30,750 --> 03:06:31,810
starting next month on that.

2237
03:06:31,830 --> 03:06:33,190
We've got several them lined up,

2238
03:06:33,350 --> 03:06:34,390
looking at next year's budget.

2239
03:06:34,830 --> 03:06:37,730
So hopefully we can hold the line where we need to.

2240
03:06:38,090 --> 03:06:38,850
And all

2241
03:06:51,970 --> 03:06:54,950
right, so moving on to item 11,

2242
03:06:55,910 --> 03:06:57,070
Mr. Stanfield, appointments?

2243
03:06:58,450 --> 03:06:59,110
Yes, sir.

2244
03:06:59,110 --> 03:07:02,990
We are, we've got a little bit of a list for you tonight.

2245
03:07:03,330 --> 03:07:07,470
We're going to start off with the appointment to the Cholium Health Resource Board.

2246
03:07:08,290 --> 03:07:12,730
This board, it typically has one commissioner on it and one citizen representative.

2247
03:07:13,830 --> 03:07:15,370
Cholium was here earlier.

2248
03:07:16,050 --> 03:07:17,610
I think it was our last meeting.

2249
03:07:18,430 --> 03:07:20,050
That appointment that is on there.

2250
03:07:20,150 --> 03:07:22,650
She has been serving in lieu of a new appointment.

2251
03:07:23,430 --> 03:07:28,390
That position is up for a new person to be appointed.

2252
03:07:28,390 --> 03:07:29,970
I have advertised for

2253
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:40,760
All right, and I have received two applicants. The first applicant is Ms. Carolyn Carr Green. She's applied for the board, she resides in Berkha, and she's been a resident of Pender County for 50 years.

2254
03:07:41,040 --> 03:07:52,800
She owns and direct priority care at home LLC, prior to owning her own business. She worked at various health-based companies as a certified nursing assistant.

2255
03:07:53,340 --> 03:07:58,960
Ms. Carr Green has been in the Rotary Club, the Order of Eastern Star and Social Club.

2256
03:07:58,960 --> 03:08:10,020
Should the board choose to appoint her, she would fill the remainder of the term that is currently going on, which began on July 1st, 2024, and expires student 30 of 2027.

2257
03:08:11,480 --> 03:08:28,060
For our second applicant, we have Ms. Roxanne Devane. She has also applied for the board and resides in Berga. She has been a resident for 36 years. She has employed at Pender Adult Services as the CAPRN and is a trans past driver.

2258
03:08:29,180 --> 03:08:38,080
Prior to her employment at Pendertal Services, she worked for various health-based companies as well as a registered nurse and a physician extender.

2259
03:08:38,540 --> 03:08:43,060
She's been a member of the Pendert County in WACP.

2260
03:08:44,500 --> 03:08:45,280
I'm so sorry.

2261
03:08:46,040 --> 03:08:46,180
I'm sorry.

2262
03:08:46,180 --> 03:08:46,480
I'm sorry.

2263
03:08:47,180 --> 03:08:47,420
I'm sorry.

2264
03:08:48,640 --> 03:08:49,320
I'm sorry.

2265
03:08:57,420 --> 03:08:58,160
I'm sorry.

2266
03:08:58,160 --> 03:08:58,360
I'm sorry.

2267
03:08:58,860 --> 03:09:05,760
memberships. Again, she had the board choose to appoint her her term would be July 1, 2024 through June 30,

2268
03:09:06,260 --> 03:09:13,800
2027. So she would also be filling. You can only appoint one, but she would also be filling the

2269
03:09:15,820 --> 03:09:16,060
remainder

2270
03:09:16,060 --> 03:09:17,060
of a term.

2271
03:09:18,440 --> 03:09:24,520
I'm trying to get one of these two, right. Correct. I want to get one. Okay. So one of the wishes

2272
03:09:24,520 --> 03:09:30,000
of the board for whoever on these applications?

2273
03:09:36,920 --> 03:09:39,240
Does resource board have a recommendation

2274
03:09:39,240 --> 03:09:40,780
as far as who they would like?

2275
03:09:41,540 --> 03:09:45,820
No, and honestly, typically I do try to give

2276
03:09:45,820 --> 03:09:48,920
some kind of recommendation, but for both of these applicants,

2277
03:09:49,240 --> 03:09:52,180
I found they were both well-versed in the category.

2278
03:09:52,940 --> 03:09:55,100
They were both very passionate when they were talking

2279
03:09:55,100 --> 03:09:56,300
to me about these boards.

2280
03:09:56,940 --> 03:10:00,080
So honestly, I feel that either applicant

2281
03:10:00,080 --> 03:10:08,320
would be a tremendous help to the Trilion Resource Board. I don't think that there is a better option.

2282
03:10:08,920 --> 03:10:15,000
Per person, I think they're both very qualified. Very passionate. They've both got very well

2283
03:10:15,000 --> 03:10:20,680
grounded roots in the county. So I think whichever one you choose would be a good candidate.

2284
03:10:24,970 --> 03:10:29,770
I entertain a motion for whichever applicant in the board, so chooses.

2285
03:10:30,170 --> 03:10:40,730
I will say prior to we have been appointing, I did not read this part, but at the bottom of the summary sheet.

2286
03:10:41,010 --> 03:10:43,510
In the past, we have been appointing our DSS director.

2287
03:10:44,110 --> 03:10:52,230
It was previously, we have done that in the past, and so that is also an option to appoint the DSS director.

2288
03:10:54,190 --> 03:10:59,630
or the commissioner appointancy. For the commissioner appointancy. Miss Stampio, what does that

2289
03:10:59,630 --> 03:11:05,650
what does that board look like or how much what's it made up? How's it made up? So this is not our board.

2290
03:11:05,890 --> 03:11:12,350
It is there board. We just get the two seats. We get a commissioner seat. It's a regional board.

2291
03:11:12,610 --> 03:11:18,790
So I'm not in touch or. Yeah, it's not small. As I said before, we get a commissioner seat,

2292
03:11:18,790 --> 03:11:26,850
which in the past, the board has had the DSS director sit in the commissioner point of

2293
03:11:26,850 --> 03:11:31,850
seat and then they have a citizen representative seat as well. So the two candidates that I

2294
03:11:31,850 --> 03:11:37,210
read aloud before they would be for the citizen seat and if the board would prefer to put a

2295
03:11:37,210 --> 03:11:41,290
commissioner on the Trailium Health Resource Board, you're more than welcome to and the past we

2296
03:11:41,290 --> 03:11:47,210
have done the director. So either option is on the table so I will need two motions.

2297
03:11:48,790 --> 03:11:56,250
or one combined motion of a point, but it is a large board. It's done by each region.

2298
03:11:56,330 --> 03:11:59,810
Is it possible to put both the applicants that are so passionate on it?

2299
03:12:01,670 --> 03:12:08,830
You can. Can one be not? Possibly. So we only get one citizen representative seat.

2300
03:12:10,050 --> 03:12:16,730
The commissioner seat that we have typically, like I've said in the past, we've put the

2301
03:12:16,730 --> 03:12:25,910
on there because it's in lieu of a commissioner who is part of this right it's not a commissioner

2302
03:12:27,010 --> 03:12:33,250
but it's kind of like they're representing for you guys because they they work at the county

2303
03:12:33,250 --> 03:12:38,930
they are well within the realm of trillion resources because really as she said when she was here

2304
03:12:38,930 --> 03:12:44,270
she does a lot of things a lot of things that overlap with DSS and so in the past I believe that's why

2305
03:12:44,270 --> 03:12:49,690
the board has appointed DSS directors in lieu of appointing a commissioner just because they

2306
03:12:49,690 --> 03:12:51,150
have such direct access.

2307
03:12:52,550 --> 03:12:54,090
So, two motions are required.

2308
03:12:55,430 --> 03:12:57,090
Two are one really long-blank.

2309
03:13:00,660 --> 03:13:02,400
Are you talking about miscar green?

2310
03:13:02,620 --> 03:13:03,180
Are you talking about miscar green?

2311
03:13:03,180 --> 03:13:03,560
Are you talking about miscar green?

2312
03:13:04,020 --> 03:13:04,140
Okay.

2313
03:13:04,280 --> 03:13:05,260
Thank you.

2314
03:13:05,700 --> 03:13:05,940
All right.

2315
03:13:06,060 --> 03:13:07,740
National on table from miscar green.

2316
03:13:08,560 --> 03:13:08,820
I'm sorry.

2317
03:13:09,440 --> 03:13:09,840
And the second.

2318
03:13:09,980 --> 03:13:10,380
There's a favor.

2319
03:13:10,480 --> 03:13:10,960
I'm seeing.

2320
03:13:11,440 --> 03:13:12,200
All right.

2321
03:13:12,200 --> 03:13:18,660
All right. Now we need the public deserves our starting at seven. Okay. Let's just

2322
03:13:19,720 --> 03:13:23,320
let's take care of the commit. Is there a commissioner willing that wants to sit only

2323
03:13:25,120 --> 03:13:31,860
Trillium forward? I'm very not think Dr. Tates interested. That's fine. And that's fine.

2324
03:13:32,020 --> 03:13:36,260
If you want to do the motion for the DSS director, I'm feeling that.

2325
03:13:41,240 --> 03:13:41,720
Okay.

2326
03:13:42,320 --> 03:13:45,640
motion on the table. Is there a second?

2327
03:13:45,780 --> 03:13:48,300
I'll second. There's a second. There's a second if I'm saying that.

2328
03:13:48,700 --> 03:13:50,960
All right, thank you.

2329
03:13:52,120 --> 03:13:53,720
Do you want to jump to that?

2330
03:13:53,920 --> 03:13:54,200
Yes.

2331
03:13:54,220 --> 03:13:55,540
The schedule for seven week.

2332
03:13:55,780 --> 03:13:55,980
Yes.

2333
03:13:56,280 --> 03:13:56,940
Let's do that.

2334
03:13:57,560 --> 03:13:57,660
Okay.

2335
03:13:57,660 --> 03:13:57,900
Okay.

2336
03:14:02,340 --> 03:14:04,780
Let's take a five minute recess please.

2337
03:14:05,260 --> 03:14:07,060
And we'll be right back for the public hearing.

2338
03:14:11,580 --> 03:14:12,360
We're going to have probably food.

2339
03:29:11,260 --> 03:29:14,100
Make sure you're signed up or either come up and sign up, please.

2340
03:31:06,290 --> 03:31:15,350
Item, on the public hearing, item 21.1, petition of road names. Mr. Dixon, welcome sir.

2341
03:31:19,060 --> 03:31:22,040
Thank you. Commissioner Burton and the board.

2342
03:31:30,430 --> 03:31:35,770
We have a resolution to name private roads within the Kingbird exempt subdivision.

2343
03:31:35,770 --> 03:31:39,590
This is in district 2 in the top-sealed district.

2344
03:31:41,350 --> 03:31:51,010
The good people from Logan Homes have submitted three road names that were approved by staff because they were not considered to not be.

2345
03:31:51,190 --> 03:31:53,750
Two similar to existing road names.

2346
03:31:54,310 --> 03:31:56,710
And the road names are, as you can see on the map here,

2347
03:31:56,830 --> 03:32:04,330
and the green cattle drive, and the purple silver rado drive, and the orange cinch road.

2348
03:32:04,330 --> 03:32:23,650
This is an exempt subdivision, so it is not under our UDO article regarding road naming when it comes to subdivisions and therefore we felt it was necessary to have a public meeting on this issue and my knowledge nobody has signed up to speak on it

2349
03:32:30,080 --> 03:32:41,180
So, all 35 lots are greater than 10 acres, which makes an an exempt subdivision, regarding safety

2350
03:32:41,180 --> 03:32:46,540
to avoid conflicts and delays with emergency and public safety responders, and to provide

2351
03:32:46,540 --> 03:32:50,520
for the conformance with the county's addressing and road naming ordinances, the request is

2352
03:32:50,520 --> 03:32:56,600
made to assign road names. This will not require any addresses to be changed, as the lots

2353
03:32:56,600 --> 03:32:58,980
will be sold in the coming months.

2354
03:33:01,240 --> 03:33:02,280
All families,

2355
03:33:04,320 --> 03:33:05,780
I apologize, scratch that last part.

2356
03:33:06,440 --> 03:33:10,400
Public hearing was, public hearing notice has

2357
03:33:10,400 --> 03:33:12,900
been run in the Pender Topso Voice and has been placed

2358
03:33:12,900 --> 03:33:16,060
in the county courthouse and in the Rocky Point Post Office.

2359
03:33:16,780 --> 03:33:18,840
And a public hearing sign has been posted

2360
03:33:18,840 --> 03:33:21,460
at the entrance to the neighborhood.

2361
03:33:23,860 --> 03:33:26,680
So when a public or private road access is accessible

2362
03:33:26,680 --> 03:33:31,600
to more than three structures, accommodations, zero, regardless of length, such road, a road

2363
03:33:31,600 --> 03:33:36,400
name shall be assigned. Or if it is greater than 200 feet in length, the affected property

2364
03:33:36,400 --> 03:33:42,680
owners may petition the address coordinator to name the road. As stated earlier, the road

2365
03:33:42,680 --> 03:33:50,120
names suggested are cattle drive, centroad, and silverado drive. And I asked this, I asked the

2366
03:33:50,120 --> 03:33:56,220
board at this time to consider this request. Is that sort of vision out near a question

2367
03:33:56,220 --> 03:33:57,420
in a state, some two-tian?

2368
03:33:57,600 --> 03:33:58,160
Yes, sir.

2369
03:33:58,340 --> 03:34:00,020
Okay, just to make sure.

2370
03:34:00,960 --> 03:34:01,520
They're in a sauna.

2371
03:34:01,760 --> 03:34:02,300
They're in a sauna?

2372
03:34:04,800 --> 03:34:05,740
Any discussion?

2373
03:34:06,360 --> 03:34:07,720
Yeah, sir, where did this come from?

2374
03:34:11,160 --> 03:34:13,520
Currently, all the lots are owned by Logan Holmes.

2375
03:34:14,100 --> 03:34:17,860
So these road names were requested by Logan Holmes.

2376
03:34:18,600 --> 03:34:21,300
Were any of the residents contacted about this,

2377
03:34:21,880 --> 03:34:22,700
about this, normal?

2378
03:34:23,340 --> 03:34:23,820
Yes.

2379
03:34:26,680 --> 03:34:35,740
So public notices were placed and this in a sign out where the neighborhood is going to be built was but letting people know of the request.

2380
03:34:36,220 --> 03:34:41,380
But currently there are no residents that are affected by these road names. They're going to sell the lots later.

2381
03:34:42,060 --> 03:34:43,800
So we have one petitioner.

2382
03:34:45,280 --> 03:34:50,020
Okay. I got a question in general, Coliseus, where I leave.

2383
03:34:50,920 --> 03:34:56,840
I hope they're planning for a large turn in line to get in and out of there.

2384
03:34:57,280 --> 03:34:59,060
Can you further all of that?

2385
03:34:59,580 --> 03:35:05,380
To my knowledge, I don't recall them speaking about that at the Technical Review Committee.

2386
03:35:05,680 --> 03:35:12,700
I don't want to, I'm not sure, so I don't want to speak on that.

2387
03:35:17,530 --> 03:35:22,450
I don't have to get a driveway permit through the DOT and that's when any of those improvements

2388
03:35:22,450 --> 03:35:27,610
would be analyzed and required as part of the driveway permit, so that would be through

2389
03:35:27,610 --> 03:35:29,290
DOT, yes, sir.

2390
03:35:30,230 --> 03:35:33,590
But ten acre lots is pretty much in the state community, right?

2391
03:35:34,150 --> 03:35:34,710
It's right.

2392
03:35:35,170 --> 03:35:41,130
It's a large lot, so what Mike or Mr. Dixon was referring to is it's an exempt subdivision,

2393
03:35:41,130 --> 03:35:45,170
So the state has some exemptions to subdivision regulations.

2394
03:35:45,170 --> 03:35:48,510
If you create lots that are larger than 10 acres,

2395
03:35:48,670 --> 03:35:50,690
they're exempt from our subdivision regulations.

2396
03:35:52,450 --> 03:35:54,270
I wish a lot of people would do that.

2397
03:35:58,830 --> 03:36:01,110
Any further questions for Mr. Dixon?

2398
03:36:01,990 --> 03:36:04,990
If none, I'll entertain a motion.

2399
03:36:05,790 --> 03:36:06,010
Motion.

2400
03:36:06,450 --> 03:36:07,410
Motion in a second.

2401
03:36:07,510 --> 03:36:09,290
There's a favor, so if I was saying aye, raise your hand.

2402
03:36:10,070 --> 03:36:10,570
Thanks, sir.

2403
03:36:10,890 --> 03:36:11,610
Thank you.

2404
03:36:11,610 --> 03:36:19,230
21.2, all right, Mr. Adams, Resign requests for approximately 30.93 acres from RAs owning district

2405
03:36:19,230 --> 03:36:20,970
conditionals on any district.

2406
03:36:21,230 --> 03:36:25,670
To allow new hangers to be installed at the existing Stag Park Air Facility Emergo.

2407
03:36:26,750 --> 03:36:27,130
Yes, sir.

2408
03:36:27,150 --> 03:36:32,530
Mr. Chairman board members, the first land use case on the agenda this evening is a conditional

2409
03:36:32,530 --> 03:36:39,210
rezoning application, so the folks, the applicant is Mr. Kin McGee, and he's making this

2410
03:36:39,210 --> 03:36:46,590
on behalf of Stag Air Park to rezone approximately 30.93 acres from the rural agricultural

2411
03:36:46,590 --> 03:36:52,090
zone industry to a conditional zone industry. The site is operating as an existing airport

2412
03:36:52,090 --> 03:36:57,090
facility and the request is to add hangers. I'm going to get into why they're having to go

2413
03:36:57,090 --> 03:37:02,610
through this process here momentarily. A little bit of background on Stag Air Park. It's been

2414
03:37:02,610 --> 03:37:08,950
in operation. Per the applicant for 38 years. And there was a special use permit issued

2415
03:37:09,550 --> 03:37:17,950
On April 21st of 2003, and then revised on June 2nd of 2003, which allowed for hangers to be placed at this site.

2416
03:37:18,090 --> 03:37:21,730
Now, this site is what's considered an existing non-conformity.

2417
03:37:22,550 --> 03:37:29,970
So, what that means is if that was a blank slate, if that was an undeveloped site, and they wanted to permit an airport, they...

2418
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:38,760
Now, it would not be permitted through a special use permit, the way it was originally approved or the way this revision was had taken place.

2419
03:37:38,900 --> 03:37:52,380
So what that means is, our regulations have changed since this was initially approved. So we can't revise that special use permit. We have to go through the conditional zoning process to allow them to expand this existing use.

2420
03:37:54,040 --> 03:37:58,860
To orient the board a little bit, the site is highlighted in that pinkish color.

2421
03:37:58,860 --> 03:38:03,760
It's about a mile and a half south of the intersection of white stocking road and Stag Park Road.

2422
03:38:05,600 --> 03:38:09,880
As you can see on the zoning map, the property in the area is also owned rural agricultural.

2423
03:38:11,340 --> 03:38:18,920
And then on the aerial map, you can see the vast majority of the property around the site is used for agricultural purposes.

2424
03:38:18,920 --> 03:38:25,080
there are some single family homes out there. A neat component of this project is when it was initially

2425
03:38:25,080 --> 03:38:30,840
developed, there are dozen houses adjacent to the runway that have garages that appear to be,

2426
03:38:30,840 --> 03:38:35,360
sort of your traditional single family home garage, but they're actually airport hangers or

2427
03:38:35,360 --> 03:38:41,080
their hangers for folks with their planes and they can just taxi out to the runway and fly off.

2428
03:38:43,320 --> 03:38:47,840
Again, for the board's purposes door into all to this side, I've taken a couple of photos.

2429
03:38:47,840 --> 03:38:53,860
So this is an existing hanger on the site and then this photo was taken with my back to

2430
03:38:53,860 --> 03:38:56,820
stack park road looking west down the runway.

2431
03:38:59,150 --> 03:39:03,490
So as you can see on the site plan I've called out with red arrows a couple areas where

2432
03:39:03,490 --> 03:39:05,210
future hangers are proposed

2433
03:39:07,260 --> 03:39:10,600
and then I want to bring one thing to the board's attention

2434
03:39:10,600 --> 03:39:11,660
regarding buffers.

2435
03:39:11,660 --> 03:39:16,300
That's often something that we discuss when there are non-residential uses adjacent

2436
03:39:16,300 --> 03:39:21,800
residential uses are is buffer requirements. In this case there are there is existing

2437
03:39:21,800 --> 03:39:26,820
vegetations surrounding the property. So the applicant requested that we maintain that

2438
03:39:26,820 --> 03:39:32,840
vegetation and staff found that to be in compliance with the UDO. There is a condition of

2439
03:39:32,840 --> 03:39:38,520
approval that states if that vegetation is removed, it should be re-established. One other

2440
03:39:38,520 --> 03:39:43,580
thing to note is that for airports in particular it's important not to have tall vegetation

2441
03:39:43,580 --> 03:39:45,780
for takeoff and landing purposes.

2442
03:39:45,920 --> 03:39:47,700
Obviously, that's right.

2443
03:39:48,120 --> 03:39:50,060
And don't let me overstate my knowledge.

2444
03:39:50,400 --> 03:39:53,340
Most of what I've learned is from Mr. McGee this evening.

2445
03:39:53,800 --> 03:40:00,340
And he's very passionate, and I think he can do a much better job than I can about telling you more about the airport facility.

2446
03:40:01,920 --> 03:40:04,960
Just some dimensional standards, because this is a conditional rezoning.

2447
03:40:05,180 --> 03:40:08,040
The board sets the dimensional standards through this hearing.

2448
03:40:08,640 --> 03:40:13,060
These standards are consistent with the rural agricultural zoning district or exceed them.

2449
03:40:13,060 --> 03:40:16,860
So there's an effort there to maintain the rural character of the area.

2450
03:40:19,060 --> 03:40:24,040
Again, the future land use map calls this area or identifies this area as a rural agriculture.

2451
03:40:25,440 --> 03:40:33,960
And what that means is that it identifies desirable uses and uses that don't necessarily fit in with the rural agricultural categories.

2452
03:40:34,340 --> 03:40:40,180
So some of those desired uses are single-family dwellings, manufactured homes, or parks recreation, and open space.

2453
03:40:40,180 --> 03:40:44,960
Some of those inappropriate uses would be attached single family homes like town homes or

2454
03:40:45,700 --> 03:40:50,360
dueplexes, along with multifamily units, like apartments, and then things like industrial

2455
03:40:50,360 --> 03:40:52,780
development or office and commercial uses.

2456
03:40:54,520 --> 03:40:58,860
So staff is recommending approval of this proposal, right, and I want to call out a couple

2457
03:40:58,860 --> 03:40:59,640
reasons why.

2458
03:40:59,960 --> 03:41:01,620
So this is an existing facility.

2459
03:41:01,840 --> 03:41:06,840
This is not a new facility, it's an existing facility, and they're requesting to add hangers

2460
03:41:06,840 --> 03:41:12,220
to that facility. And as I mentioned earlier, because it's no longer permitted via special

2461
03:41:12,220 --> 03:41:15,300
use permit, they have to go through this conditional rezoning process.

2462
03:41:17,380 --> 03:41:21,460
And it maintains the rural character of the area. I don't know if the board has had an opportunity

2463
03:41:21,460 --> 03:41:26,380
to visit the site at any point, but it does maintain the rural character of the area.

2464
03:41:26,800 --> 03:41:33,720
And lastly, it's consistent with two policies in the comprehensive plan. It's 5.1F and 5.1FF.

2465
03:41:35,340 --> 03:41:39,960
Again, as it is a conditional rezoning, the board has an opportunity to place conditions

2466
03:41:39,960 --> 03:41:42,780
of approval, as long as the applicant agrees with those conditions.

2467
03:41:43,360 --> 03:41:46,040
There are five conditions of approval being proposed.

2468
03:41:46,540 --> 03:41:53,000
The first two of which are standard must comply with all state county, state and federal regulations,

2469
03:41:54,000 --> 03:41:56,360
and then comply with the unified development ordinance.

2470
03:41:56,360 --> 03:42:03,320
And then the third is the existing special use permit should be dissolved via written statements

2471
03:42:03,320 --> 03:42:05,240
submitted by the owner of the property.

2472
03:42:05,320 --> 03:42:09,080
This conditional resounding will be in place of that special use permit.

2473
03:42:10,040 --> 03:42:14,500
And then there are actually several parcels on the site, so recombining those parcels is one

2474
03:42:14,500 --> 03:42:19,660
of the conditions of approval that will alleviate any issues with setbacks and things like that.

2475
03:42:19,660 --> 03:42:23,680
And then lastly, that condition related to the buffer,

2476
03:42:24,160 --> 03:42:26,320
so maintaining that vegetated buffer.

2477
03:42:28,360 --> 03:42:29,580
At their March 4th meeting,

2478
03:42:29,740 --> 03:42:31,620
the planning board unanimously recommended

2479
03:42:31,620 --> 03:42:35,240
approval of the proposal in a five-of vote.

2480
03:42:36,140 --> 03:42:38,780
And the last side is a plan consistency statement.

2481
03:42:40,060 --> 03:42:41,380
So the board can use this statement

2482
03:42:41,380 --> 03:42:43,260
when making a motion if they so choose.

2483
03:42:43,460 --> 03:42:45,840
I do want to point out Mr. McGee is in the audience.

2484
03:42:46,360 --> 03:42:48,720
He's the applicant in owner and he happy.

2485
03:42:48,720 --> 03:42:52,940
I'm sure to answer any questions, should you have them as am I?

2486
03:42:52,980 --> 03:42:56,640
Any questions for Mr. Adams or the applicant?

2487
03:42:58,020 --> 03:42:59,820
Is there any opposition sign up?

2488
03:42:59,820 --> 03:43:02,060
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, okay.

2489
03:43:03,680 --> 03:43:08,740
So with that, I'll entertain the motion.

2490
03:43:09,200 --> 03:43:10,320
It's a great statistic.

2491
03:43:11,240 --> 03:43:16,900
Most of the previous initials on a map, a movement, and to make a finding that the proposals

2492
03:43:16,900 --> 03:43:25,680
consistent with the plan policies with the Pender 2.0 Conference of Land Use Plan 5.1.f

2493
03:43:25,680 --> 03:43:30,860
Conditional Resonant 5.1.ff, rural, non-residential uses.

2494
03:43:31,800 --> 03:43:33,420
The motion is on the table, is there a second?

2495
03:43:34,220 --> 03:43:34,720
Second.

2496
03:43:35,140 --> 03:43:35,740
All those in favour?

2497
03:43:35,920 --> 03:43:36,800
Second, if I was saying hi.

2498
03:43:37,040 --> 03:43:37,300
Raise your hand.

2499
03:43:37,680 --> 03:43:37,840
Aye.

2500
03:43:38,300 --> 03:43:38,860
Does it pose?

2501
03:43:39,320 --> 03:43:39,740
All right.

2502
03:43:40,480 --> 03:43:41,100
Thank you, Mr. Adams.

2503
03:43:41,140 --> 03:43:42,900
Thank you.

2504
03:43:42,900 --> 03:43:44,640
It's 21.3.

2505
03:43:45,020 --> 03:43:47,480
Resonant request, Resonant Hawthorne Hampstead Development,

2506
03:43:47,620 --> 03:43:53,420
Add 84 apartments and unify adjacent developments under one zoning district.

2507
03:43:56,530 --> 03:43:56,870
Yes, sir.

2508
03:43:57,190 --> 03:43:59,530
I spoke with the applicant prior to the meeting.

2509
03:44:01,110 --> 03:44:02,850
I believe they're going to request the continuous.

2510
03:44:03,130 --> 03:44:04,730
I certainly don't want to speak on there behalf.

2511
03:44:04,830 --> 03:44:06,550
I'm happy to go through my presentation.

2512
03:44:07,110 --> 03:44:08,690
I don't know if the applicant would,

2513
03:44:09,270 --> 03:44:14,050
or the board would prefer to consider that request prior to my presentation.

2514
03:44:14,050 --> 03:44:16,050
and I'll certainly leave that up to the board.

2515
03:44:18,470 --> 03:44:21,450
I'll entertain wishes at the board.

2516
03:44:21,810 --> 03:44:26,550
I want to accept the continuance for whatever reason they might have.

2517
03:44:26,790 --> 03:44:29,550
I think I can not just make a comment.

2518
03:44:30,050 --> 03:44:31,690
Yeah, this seems to be a pattern.

2519
03:44:32,410 --> 03:44:36,950
At least people call, every time these people come we do this.

2520
03:44:37,470 --> 03:44:41,230
So if we're going to continue it, at least let the ones that's here speak,

2521
03:44:42,090 --> 03:44:45,450
the public hearing part, but does this have any problem with that at all?

2522
03:44:49,240 --> 03:44:53,520
Yeah, I would encourage you to come back, but if you want to speak tonight, I think you should have the opportunity

2523
03:44:54,100 --> 03:44:59,180
since you had to come through the traffic to get out of Washington acres in Deerfield, which takes forever now to come here.

2524
03:45:01,390 --> 03:45:04,290
Yeah, I concur with you, Mr. George.

2525
03:45:05,810 --> 03:45:14,710
All right, so there's a motion, there's a motion in a second to continue, and I will, I don't have any problem with what residents that wish to speak tonight.

2526
03:45:15,250 --> 03:45:16,790
We can hear them

2527
03:45:21,780 --> 03:45:23,660
continue it whenever.

2528
03:45:28,050 --> 03:45:30,530
Are we allowed to offer a date, certain?

2529
03:45:30,970 --> 03:45:36,050
I would encourage the Board to continue to a date, certain that will save us from having to,

2530
03:45:36,770 --> 03:45:39,930
The May 16th meeting is in Hampstead.

2531
03:45:39,950 --> 03:45:42,530
I mean May 19th meeting is in Hampstead.

2532
03:45:47,300 --> 03:45:49,620
Is that commensurate with the applicant?

2533
03:45:52,340 --> 03:45:53,180
I believe so.

2534
03:45:55,160 --> 03:45:55,280
All right.

2535
03:45:55,360 --> 03:45:59,000
So there's a motion on that to continue to the motion.

2536
03:45:59,160 --> 03:46:02,140
May 19th in a second.

2537
03:46:02,200 --> 03:46:03,760
The motion continues to May 19th.

2538
03:46:04,500 --> 03:46:04,660
Okay.

2539
03:46:05,340 --> 03:46:05,500
All right.

2540
03:46:05,560 --> 03:46:05,780
All right.

2541
03:46:05,780 --> 03:46:05,980
All right.

2542
03:46:05,980 --> 03:46:06,280
All right.

2543
03:46:06,280 --> 03:46:13,280
And if I'm saying I raise your hand, all right, thank you, how many do we have signed up?

2544
03:46:14,280 --> 03:46:19,020
All right, so there's 12 and by the rules, I think you would get less than three minutes.

2545
03:46:20,640 --> 03:46:22,120
So do all 12 want to speak?

2546
03:46:22,560 --> 03:46:26,740
I mean, or do you want to get less than 10, where you can have three minutes?

2547
03:46:30,320 --> 03:46:32,400
Okay, because you will have time to speak next time.

2548
03:46:32,680 --> 03:46:34,960
That's the process, you will do that, okay?

2549
03:46:34,960 --> 03:46:37,620
So just can that

2550
03:46:41,680 --> 03:46:45,900
that's up to you sir it'll be a burger you can speak to my

2551
03:46:45,900 --> 03:46:50,300
question is we have a limit now 30 minutes so if if if you want to speak to

2552
03:46:50,300 --> 03:46:54,080
night and not take a chance our ticket chance are not getting to speak at the

2553
03:46:54,080 --> 03:47:00,540
hamster I would I was speak tonight and possible you could be able to speak it

2554
03:47:00,540 --> 03:47:05,200
both here tonight and the next the next meeting is May 19th for the ones that

2555
03:47:06,260 --> 03:47:12,940
there. So we'll just have the Mr. Turner call them out in the names that we're signed up and

2556
03:47:12,940 --> 03:47:17,320
we'll be glad to hear your comments. Charles Whittaker?

2557
03:47:19,800 --> 03:47:22,300
You're up Mr. Whittaker? Welcome. Yes, sir.

2558
03:47:25,180 --> 03:47:26,780
Will be careful. Come on.

2559
03:47:32,130 --> 03:47:33,710
I gave Mr. Speaker,

2560
03:47:38,410 --> 03:47:42,670
there's only board. Yes, sir. All right, sir. Thank you.

2561
03:47:44,070 --> 03:47:44,530
where

2562
03:47:50,770 --> 03:47:55,330
you see there is male creek, where everything from it's subdivision drains into

2563
03:47:55,330 --> 03:47:59,490
the male creek, right behind four or five of them, they have boats, and that used to

2564
03:47:59,490 --> 03:48:02,190
be a deep spot where people could turn around.

2565
03:48:02,310 --> 03:48:05,610
It was always three and a half to four feet deep and low tide.

2566
03:48:06,510 --> 03:48:08,090
And you can see it now.

2567
03:48:09,090 --> 03:48:12,870
Most of us boat houses on the water because we wanted to put her boats in and out.

2568
03:48:13,130 --> 03:48:14,770
Don't have no deep water now.

2569
03:48:15,250 --> 03:48:18,890
I paid the last week, I paid Dave Gardner $1,000 to clean out.

2570
03:48:18,890 --> 03:48:24,910
But how am I boat so I get my right now let my boat out, the Caleb Jones across the creek from me,

2571
03:48:25,070 --> 03:48:30,550
he was out two grand so he could get his boat around and you can see the fella there at the end,

2572
03:48:30,750 --> 03:48:37,490
he can't get his boat out. How to slide out a man and that's the way they look at it.

2573
03:48:37,810 --> 03:48:45,810
And there we're stuck with all his goot and it's a mess. The creek used to be have a solid bottom

2574
03:48:45,810 --> 03:48:47,870
with all those orchard shells that you can see,

2575
03:48:48,290 --> 03:48:50,450
but there are a water shelter, there is no orchard shells,

2576
03:48:51,050 --> 03:48:53,110
so ever been a water that hits on this,

2577
03:48:53,110 --> 03:48:55,450
all this black top up here, 30 acres probably,

2578
03:48:56,110 --> 03:48:58,310
comes down that creek, and it makes a monsoon deluge,

2579
03:48:58,430 --> 03:48:59,850
it just keeps washing, more mud,

2580
03:49:00,170 --> 03:49:01,770
because there's no hard bottom in the creek,

2581
03:49:01,770 --> 03:49:04,070
the creek went through a four or five hurricanes,

2582
03:49:05,070 --> 03:49:06,370
but it couldn't stand this water out

2583
03:49:06,370 --> 03:49:09,750
that they have here, and so I like to make a proposal,

2584
03:49:09,950 --> 03:49:14,650
if you would please, that they put in a better retention

2585
03:49:14,650 --> 03:49:19,730
basis with a baffle in it to catch a lot of this stuff that you put a retention base in it,

2586
03:49:19,810 --> 03:49:24,890
but still flows out to put a baffle in it and get that big and I would like to suggest

2587
03:49:24,890 --> 03:49:29,150
that they put the bill to come in there and clean up this mess that they have created.

2588
03:49:29,990 --> 03:49:31,450
Yeah, thank you very much sir.

2589
03:49:34,010 --> 03:49:34,970
Hold the steam.

2590
03:49:41,790 --> 03:49:43,010
Let's toast in welcome.

2591
03:49:45,940 --> 03:49:47,960
Even in my name's Doug Holstein.

2592
03:49:48,180 --> 03:49:50,780
I live at 313 Creek View Drive, Hampstead.

2593
03:49:52,340 --> 03:49:58,420
I don't know about the timing here, I understand we've got 30 minutes, but I'm the head of the old deer field community association.

2594
03:49:59,060 --> 03:50:01,400
I'd normally be asking for five minutes rather than the three.

2595
03:50:02,980 --> 03:50:08,380
But I'm asking that the Board of Commissioners deny this request for rezoning.

2596
03:50:09,400 --> 03:50:11,040
I've got one underlying question.

2597
03:50:11,180 --> 03:50:15,160
His hamps said going to be better if you guys prove this rezoning request.

2598
03:50:15,160 --> 03:50:21,780
I don't think so. For three reasons. One is that one that Ron Whittaker just expressed.

2599
03:50:22,980 --> 03:50:28,420
We had two rain events occur in 2024. One with a five inch rain event, one with a 12 inch rain event.

2600
03:50:29,060 --> 03:50:36,960
Both rain events cause flooding. The 12 inch cause destructive flooding to the intersection of deer field and creek view.

2601
03:50:36,960 --> 03:50:44,720
While during a hurricane Florence, we had 29 inches hit the area and we didn't have nearly half the flooding that we had then.

2602
03:50:44,960 --> 03:50:54,040
It's a result of their incomplete or their improper planning stormwater runoff planning.

2603
03:50:56,480 --> 03:51:03,140
And their engineer gave us a description and said that they had surveyed the area, taken their measurements,

2604
03:51:03,140 --> 03:51:11,760
studied the the thesis from all the subject matter experts, applied those, and we've got what we've got

2605
03:51:11,760 --> 03:51:19,460
learned to live with it. Well now they want to add three more buildings. Probably 30,000 square feet

2606
03:51:19,460 --> 03:51:27,540
more that won't absorb the water, and so in the future when we get these rain events, we're going to worry about

2607
03:51:27,540 --> 03:51:31,540
the mud and debris and the silt going down into middle creek.

2608
03:51:31,880 --> 03:51:38,320
We're going worry about the fresh water running off of the parking lots, the paved over

2609
03:51:38,320 --> 03:51:43,340
area, the roofs, and changing the salinity of the water going into the salt marsh,

2610
03:51:43,740 --> 03:51:47,720
killing the grass in the salt marsh and everybody knows that the salt marsh is our nursery

2611
03:51:47,720 --> 03:51:52,840
for all our mollit, for our crabs, and all the rest of the seafood that we generate.

2612
03:51:54,400 --> 03:51:59,400
They don't care, they don't care, they'll walk away, they'll go on to it in the next project.

2613
03:52:00,360 --> 03:52:07,760
The second thing is the impact of the vehicles, 84 apartments, so we're going to get 84

2614
03:52:07,760 --> 03:52:15,300
to 168 additional vehicles in the middle of Hampstead when the bypass is finished, it's

2615
03:52:15,300 --> 03:52:18,800
going to take care of all that through traffic from Jacksonville down in Wilmington.

2616
03:52:18,800 --> 03:52:22,420
We're still going to have the additional vehicles

2617
03:52:23,540 --> 03:52:27,260
congesting the highway 17 through Hamstead.

2618
03:52:27,260 --> 03:52:29,660
We're still going to have the problem that we have today.

2619
03:52:30,000 --> 03:52:35,640
Maybe a little bit less because of that through traffic. The third one is the probably the most interesting

2620
03:52:35,640 --> 03:52:41,720
one is the impact on school system. Now, I've been attending a lot of these planning board meetings

2621
03:52:41,720 --> 03:52:48,160
and the, and these meetings, and you're right. There has been a pattern. This is, okay. Thank you. Thank you.

2622
03:52:48,480 --> 03:52:49,000
Thank you.

2623
03:52:57,020 --> 03:52:57,220
Thank you.

2624
03:52:57,320 --> 03:52:58,220
Thank you.

2625
03:52:58,220 --> 03:52:58,980
Thank you.

2626
03:52:58,980 --> 03:53:01,620
Mr. Benford.

2627
03:53:06,200 --> 03:53:11,140
Thank you Chairman and Board. I'm Hans Benford from 308 Headquarters Drive.

2628
03:53:11,980 --> 03:53:20,200
I'm a civil engineer by trade, but I guess there aren't all the complaints that we heard

2629
03:53:20,200 --> 03:53:26,900
at the March meeting yet, but this developer has not been a good neighbor.

2630
03:53:27,140 --> 03:53:31,980
And that's the question you could ask any of the residents in the dear field community

2631
03:53:31,980 --> 03:53:33,660
is, have they been a good neighbor?

2632
03:53:34,920 --> 03:53:37,720
And I think the answer to that is, no,

2633
03:53:37,760 --> 03:53:39,740
if you ask anybody in this room.

2634
03:53:41,520 --> 03:53:44,620
The site design, it was clear cut, the whole thing.

2635
03:53:44,880 --> 03:53:45,900
This was two years ago.

2636
03:53:45,920 --> 03:53:47,700
I haven't been here from the beginning,

2637
03:53:48,400 --> 03:53:52,720
but I presume that their original site plan was approved

2638
03:53:53,340 --> 03:53:57,120
and included certain stormwater controls,

2639
03:53:57,120 --> 03:54:03,260
three mitigation efforts and now they want to

2640
03:54:03,260 --> 03:54:06,640
rezone that area that was assuming required

2641
03:54:06,640 --> 03:54:09,880
three mitigation and they want to plan individual

2642
03:54:09,880 --> 03:54:14,140
trees I guess but I don't know the answers to this

2643
03:54:14,140 --> 03:54:18,840
because I haven't seen it the revisions but I don't

2644
03:54:18,840 --> 03:54:22,360
see how they can take that originally approved plan

2645
03:54:22,360 --> 03:54:26,360
and get approval for that.

2646
03:54:27,080 --> 03:54:32,260
The documented flooding showed that their stormwater controls were not accomplishing.

2647
03:54:32,980 --> 03:54:37,980
What they needed to, what they said they were meeting state requirements are not during

2648
03:54:37,980 --> 03:54:38,540
construction.

2649
03:54:38,920 --> 03:54:46,000
They showed no mind of the impacts that were leaving their site.

2650
03:54:46,000 --> 03:54:52,500
perimeter controls still just leaving everywhere and it was I forget the exact

2651
03:54:52,500 --> 03:54:59,600
acreage but sixty acres clear cut and that rain hit on it and took it all

2652
03:54:59,600 --> 03:55:06,680
into the stream and if you go out there today and drive through where this

2653
03:55:06,680 --> 03:55:18,860
mitigation site is, it's still barren land. The EQ requires any destabilized ground to be

2654
03:55:18,860 --> 03:55:24,420
stabilized within 14 days, and it's been that way for two years, and they don't care,

2655
03:55:24,920 --> 03:55:28,900
and they're clearly not planning to plant those trees and they're going for this rezoning.

2656
03:55:29,600 --> 03:55:35,400
And there's no intention of, oh, we messed up last time and let all that silk go down the stream.

2657
03:55:35,400 --> 03:55:38,980
We can at least stabilize those areas that are not yet developed.

2658
03:55:39,880 --> 03:55:40,260
There's nothing.

2659
03:55:40,520 --> 03:55:42,160
They just have their excavators sitting there.

2660
03:55:42,520 --> 03:55:45,180
We're ready to go for the day that you all are.

2661
03:55:45,580 --> 03:55:50,780
We lose and they get what they want and get their money grab and walk away.

2662
03:55:52,620 --> 03:55:54,320
That's just my thought.

2663
03:55:55,760 --> 03:56:07,940
My other part of it is, is there a signal proposed for the TMP from Dot?

2664
03:56:08,780 --> 03:56:09,080
Thank you,

2665
03:56:12,760 --> 03:56:12,920
sir.

2666
03:56:13,140 --> 03:56:14,080
I'm going to have a call.

2667
03:56:15,820 --> 03:56:20,140
I'm going to have a call.

2668
03:56:23,870 --> 03:56:24,450
Is that a call?

2669
03:56:28,530 --> 03:56:30,690
Commissioner Burton and members of the Council.

2670
03:56:30,690 --> 03:56:36,750
Well, my name is Valerie A. Corn, I live at 506 Center Drive in Hampstead, and the reason

2671
03:56:36,750 --> 03:56:42,190
I'm talking to you tonight in the dead of waiting is because there's such horrible traffic

2672
03:56:42,190 --> 03:56:49,850
in Hampstead, and not only is there one way out, there's only one way in, but the new neighbors

2673
03:56:49,850 --> 03:56:51,330
are not good neighbors.

2674
03:56:51,650 --> 03:56:59,210
We have a transient community that has now gone into that, and yesterday a little boy was hit

2675
03:56:59,210 --> 03:57:05,510
by somebody, two doors down from me on center drive and if you don't know that, look it up.

2676
03:57:05,670 --> 03:57:11,850
It was required police ambulance, it required the share of department and it was a renter

2677
03:57:11,850 --> 03:57:19,470
from the new apartment complex who was drunk racing through our neighborhood. This is not safe.

2678
03:57:19,530 --> 03:57:26,910
This is completely unacceptable due to the greed of people trying to put it in apartments.

2679
03:57:26,910 --> 03:57:33,890
So, you can't turn left onto Washington Acres Road coming south on 17 at night.

2680
03:57:34,230 --> 03:57:40,750
If you, I challenge you to start at the food lion and turn left on Washington Acres Road

2681
03:57:40,750 --> 03:57:42,850
between five and six o'clock at night.

2682
03:57:42,870 --> 03:57:47,290
It will take you between 10 and 15 minutes to turn left at that arrow.

2683
03:57:48,530 --> 03:57:49,610
That's the only way in.

2684
03:57:50,150 --> 03:57:52,150
There is no other way in.

2685
03:57:52,530 --> 03:57:53,350
It's crazy.

2686
03:57:53,350 --> 03:57:58,790
So it's not safe, and it is completely unacceptable to have

2687
03:57:58,790 --> 03:58:03,990
transient people now in our beautiful neighborhood, hitting our little boys.

2688
03:58:10,600 --> 03:58:10,900
Thank you.

2689
03:58:15,020 --> 03:58:15,780
It's packed with welcome.

2690
03:58:19,280 --> 03:58:20,200
My name is Milk Packard.

2691
03:58:20,200 --> 03:58:21,880
I live at 518 Hughes Road.

2692
03:58:22,340 --> 03:58:23,820
I've lived here since 2001.

2693
03:58:24,980 --> 03:58:28,180
I don't think it's a good idea for these apartments to be having

2694
03:58:28,180 --> 03:58:30,220
order three buildings, put up near the road.

2695
03:58:30,920 --> 03:58:31,860
We're all above reasons.

2696
03:58:32,500 --> 03:58:39,960
runoff is one anybody that clear cuts land. I have it lived here all my life. I was a farmer. I grew up on a farm.

2697
03:58:40,740 --> 03:58:46,920
When you clear cut land, you had runoff. You mitigated on a farm. Here I don't see that happen.

2698
03:58:48,220 --> 03:58:56,340
The idea of traffic. We don't need a more traffic. I have to go to work five days a week. I'm not looking forward to 16 more cars coming out of there every day.

2699
03:58:57,880 --> 03:58:59,620
traffic with the bypass.

2700
03:59:00,820 --> 03:59:06,620
Hopefully, it alleviates what it should, but I don't think any more apartments are going to help anybody out.

2701
03:59:08,280 --> 03:59:13,180
If anybody would like to come by my house, stop and see my commute every morning.

2702
03:59:13,520 --> 03:59:17,640
I invite you. I'll give you a ride to work with me, and then I'll take you to wherever you need to go.

2703
03:59:18,000 --> 03:59:20,620
And you can see what we have to put up with.

2704
03:59:21,900 --> 03:59:25,000
Anybody have any more questions for me? Give me a call.

2705
03:59:25,340 --> 03:59:25,840
Thank you, sir.

2706
03:59:25,840 --> 03:59:26,200
Lord.

2707
03:59:30,790 --> 03:59:32,610
Lou and Cindy Zackman,

2708
03:59:36,430 --> 03:59:38,710
Tom and Patty Zackman,

2709
03:59:41,480 --> 03:59:42,040
John Redlick.

2710
03:59:49,700 --> 03:59:50,380
Welcome sir.

2711
03:59:52,180 --> 03:59:53,800
Hi, my name is John Redlick.

2712
03:59:53,840 --> 03:59:58,160
I live at 501 Hughes Road since the year 2000.

2713
04:00:00,110 --> 04:00:28,570
It's 25 years now. I've seen the creek feeling up so much right now that last week I couldn't even put the boat down on high tide. The runoff is so bad. I don't have to talk about the traffic, what's going on, because everybody knows how tremendous is the traffic. It's not just a rush hour, but a normal circumstances.

2714
04:00:30,130 --> 04:00:37,270
adding additional 81 apartment, it's really not visible.

2715
04:00:38,450 --> 04:00:42,990
I also like to know if there is any environment or study,

2716
04:00:43,670 --> 04:00:47,010
before it was built the entire complex,

2717
04:00:47,710 --> 04:00:50,910
because the damage to our environment is tremendous.

2718
04:00:51,550 --> 04:00:54,990
I've seen the decline of the fish, the crab,

2719
04:00:55,210 --> 04:00:56,570
what's going on in a creek.

2720
04:00:56,570 --> 04:01:04,550
I am on the creek side, and I see the decline of the fishing, what we have.

2721
04:01:06,430 --> 04:01:09,490
I have a question beside the whole thing.

2722
04:01:09,930 --> 04:01:13,490
Why are we here? We were just a few weeks ago.

2723
04:01:14,070 --> 04:01:17,810
We went through the whole thing, and the plan was already rejected.

2724
04:01:18,650 --> 04:01:25,250
It is like, I mean, again and again, for the same thing.

2725
04:01:25,250 --> 04:01:27,610
I mean, if this,

2726
04:01:30,100 --> 04:01:34,800
I don't know how long we have to do a continuance again, and then we

2727
04:01:34,800 --> 04:01:39,540
going to have another meeting when we, when we, nobody can show up.

2728
04:01:39,980 --> 04:01:44,340
The original plan was approved during COVID time.

2729
04:01:44,600 --> 04:01:50,000
It was really wise when nobody could show up, so the plan was, was approved.

2730
04:01:51,260 --> 04:01:52,660
That's all I want to say.

2731
04:01:53,000 --> 04:01:53,800
Thank you, sir.

2732
04:01:57,420 --> 04:02:01,720
Can't make out the first name I think the last name is Lima.

2733
04:02:07,210 --> 04:02:08,530
Welcome, sir

2734
04:02:08,530 --> 04:02:15,850
Thanks for having me and I think it's important even even though

2735
04:02:16,590 --> 04:02:22,670
The other neighbors I would have mentioned the the situation of traffic and the this safety

2736
04:02:23,730 --> 04:02:27,890
I think it's important we'd be redot on this because

2737
04:02:29,750 --> 04:02:40,770
The commissioners not necessarily transit through their area and not necessarily you are required to be familiar with the dynamic.

2738
04:02:43,270 --> 04:02:45,890
But it is a long discussion, but basically,

2739
04:02:45,890 --> 04:02:57,730
Society who lose time on traffic is not being productive, is not being protected, is not being valid.

2740
04:02:58,850 --> 04:03:02,010
And I know it can sound really tempting.

2741
04:03:03,710 --> 04:03:13,970
The new photoation of taxpayer money with this new unit units, but that is going to change completely.

2742
04:03:13,970 --> 04:03:22,810
the face of this area and the quality of life for the families, for the people who works

2743
04:03:22,810 --> 04:03:30,330
or transit on this. I'm sorry about the English. It is not my first language, but just a couple

2744
04:03:30,330 --> 04:03:36,070
of years ago I moved here. I had the opportunity to purchase a property with my wife and

2745
04:03:36,070 --> 04:03:45,030
starting our family, and we especially loved by talking to the neighbors, which is for decades

2746
04:03:45,030 --> 04:03:52,490
living here already, but the safety and the friendly environment is going to be ripped off.

2747
04:03:52,950 --> 04:04:04,170
The case of the kid, which was hit on my road, I completely agree besides other charges.

2748
04:04:04,170 --> 04:04:05,830
that was a teneter of murder.

2749
04:04:06,790 --> 04:04:11,230
The people who necessarily are living in rental properties,

2750
04:04:11,630 --> 04:04:14,630
they do not have the same passion and compassion

2751
04:04:14,630 --> 04:04:15,650
about the community.

2752
04:04:16,590 --> 04:04:19,390
And I'm so grateful because this is the first time

2753
04:04:19,390 --> 04:04:21,890
that I'm here and I could see the passion

2754
04:04:21,890 --> 04:04:25,270
on some of your gentlemen about this community.

2755
04:04:25,630 --> 04:04:28,970
And I really hope that this shiny idea

2756
04:04:28,970 --> 04:04:32,770
of the increase of that collection around this area

2757
04:04:32,770 --> 04:04:34,590
does not, uh,

2758
04:04:37,450 --> 04:04:38,070
uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

2759
04:04:38,070 --> 04:04:42,350
it cannot be seen like as cheap, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh,

2760
04:04:42,430 --> 04:04:45,610
uh, chips uh, changing between the life and the life quality

2761
04:04:45,610 --> 04:04:48,730
of the community. So thank you. Thank you, sir.

2762
04:04:52,580 --> 04:04:53,580
Rachel Gaines.

2763
04:04:57,290 --> 04:04:58,150
This game is welcome.

2764
04:05:01,230 --> 04:05:02,490
I'm Rachel Gaines, and I've

2765
04:05:02,490 --> 04:05:06,590
lived in Washington, acres probably 40 years. I also had a business

2766
04:05:06,590 --> 04:05:10,810
and in hamstead for over 35 years. So I'm very familiar with

2767
04:05:10,810 --> 04:05:14,650
with traffic and everything that has come in the progress

2768
04:05:14,650 --> 04:05:16,350
that we're having in Hamstead.

2769
04:05:17,170 --> 04:05:19,670
And right now, our neighborhood is in turmoil,

2770
04:05:20,050 --> 04:05:22,550
because you can't even get out there in the mornings,

2771
04:05:22,770 --> 04:05:26,490
it takes you three rotations at least in the morning

2772
04:05:26,490 --> 04:05:29,170
to get out of Washington acres at that stop light.

2773
04:05:29,570 --> 04:05:32,310
We're not only getting dear fuel people trying to get out

2774
04:05:32,310 --> 04:05:33,930
because they can't get out of their street

2775
04:05:33,930 --> 04:05:35,370
because they do not have a light.

2776
04:05:35,810 --> 04:05:37,250
We have all the people that's coming

2777
04:05:37,250 --> 04:05:38,750
in those apartment complexes.

2778
04:05:38,750 --> 04:05:46,750
They're coming through our neighborhood and most of them don't go by the speed limit. Believe me. They're trying to get out, trying to get to work.

2779
04:05:47,290 --> 04:06:00,450
Do we need more apartments on that part of that corner? Absolutely not. Not only is all the environmental things that's going down the creek, killing everything that is stopping up,

2780
04:06:00,450 --> 04:06:05,850
The property values will go down because they can't get their boats out.

2781
04:06:06,150 --> 04:06:11,130
It costs a ton of money to dredge it, which we have done that over and over.

2782
04:06:11,630 --> 04:06:18,030
Out of our pockets trying to get where we can use our properties that we pay, waterfront

2783
04:06:18,030 --> 04:06:25,130
taxes on, and it's time for it to stop absolutely and everything these people have said

2784
04:06:25,130 --> 04:06:26,410
is absolutely true.

2785
04:06:26,410 --> 04:06:31,490
They do not care how it looks, they do not care that we've got a big hole right at

2786
04:06:31,490 --> 04:06:36,410
when the driveway is there that if you don't slow down, you will flat mess up your car

2787
04:06:36,410 --> 04:06:42,070
suspension right there where that apartment complex is and they dug up that road, they've

2788
04:06:42,070 --> 04:06:47,630
dug up the ditch, they've tried to do everything to try to get that water to drain off of their

2789
04:06:47,630 --> 04:06:52,990
property and where do they do it? They send it right over to our side. So what they're saying

2790
04:06:52,990 --> 04:06:57,090
not good neighbors absolutely they're not good neighbors and that's how they

2791
04:06:57,090 --> 04:07:02,090
drain that property that even get it to where they could use it. So no we do

2792
04:07:02,090 --> 04:07:07,270
not need any more apartments and I know there's a housing problem but it has to

2793
04:07:07,270 --> 04:07:11,370
be more regulated or whatever where they put these apartments than just letting

2794
04:07:11,370 --> 04:07:15,310
them go anywhere they want. Thank you. Thank you.

2795
04:07:18,740 --> 04:07:20,000
Those are all the signs Mr.

2796
04:07:20,000 --> 04:07:21,820
Chairman. Thank you, sir.

2797
04:07:24,250 --> 04:07:29,970
All right. So I would like to make a comment. I do travel that route every day.

2798
04:07:30,000 --> 04:07:37,760
Several times a day, usually out my hours or six to two, luckily, but that doesn't even matter any more going through

2799
04:07:37,760 --> 04:07:45,020
hands did. This past two weeks were on the outage at the plant, so I'm working seven to five. So what

2800
04:07:45,020 --> 04:07:51,340
used to take me 20 minutes to go 21 miles on Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday of last week,

2801
04:07:52,380 --> 04:07:55,240
from the time I got the Brown town, if you all know where Brown town is, if you've been here long enough

2802
04:07:55,240 --> 04:08:01,500
around town is to my house which is on sleep point loot road, it took me an hour and 10 minutes

2803
04:08:01,500 --> 04:08:06,480
all three days. The majority of that was just getting past the food line stop light.

2804
04:08:08,200 --> 04:08:10,200
So I sympathize with you

2805
04:08:18,620 --> 04:08:22,480
and then they decided to tear up the turn lane at 7 o'clock in the morning.

2806
04:08:25,570 --> 04:08:29,530
And heaven forbid someone just get a flat tire and pull over on the side of the road because

2807
04:08:29,530 --> 04:08:31,570
everybody behind I'm going to stop.

2808
04:08:33,670 --> 04:08:35,610
I can tell you too. I live over the

2809
04:08:35,610 --> 04:08:39,330
I live in Scottsio and I'm there every day. If you don't get toward Wilmington

2810
04:08:39,330 --> 04:08:41,890
before 7 a.m., you can just pack a lunch.

2811
04:08:44,680 --> 04:08:46,680
Okay. So we're going to go back to

2812
04:08:47,240 --> 04:08:51,020
appointments and we're under 11.2.

2813
04:08:52,340 --> 04:08:53,220
Yes sir.

2814
04:08:53,640 --> 04:08:56,640
How is the little board that was hit the lady mentioned that that just touched my

2815
04:08:56,640 --> 04:08:57,800
I was like, how's he doing?

2816
04:08:59,960 --> 04:09:01,380
How's he doing?

2817
04:09:05,210 --> 04:09:06,210
Um, I'm trying

2818
04:09:20,450 --> 04:09:21,610
to promote Broadway.

2819
04:09:22,130 --> 04:09:25,590
To wait for that particular voice to go live.

2820
04:09:25,890 --> 04:09:28,050
And then that is real stuff.

2821
04:09:28,790 --> 04:09:32,750
People think you don't like to march from the front of the phone.

2822
04:09:33,270 --> 04:09:36,670
Because it seems that I'm like trying to catch up to that point.

2823
04:09:36,910 --> 04:09:41,390
So you want to be single and I'm interested in it.

2824
04:09:41,390 --> 04:09:50,190
So, again, start with that, but I'd love to ask you that I'm also looking at a lot of our communities in the

2825
04:09:50,190 --> 04:09:54,090
through this morning's sense, we'd find through a self-solution.

2826
04:09:54,390 --> 04:09:54,750
Good morning.

2827
04:09:56,050 --> 04:09:59,310
I'd like to thank you very much, and I'm proud of all of this.

2828
04:10:01,520 --> 04:10:02,300
Thank you very much.

2829
04:10:03,140 --> 04:10:03,580
Absolutely.

2830
04:10:05,420 --> 04:10:06,060
We're good.

2831
04:10:08,680 --> 04:10:10,040
All right, 11.2.

2832
04:10:10,120 --> 04:10:11,500
Thank you everybody for coming out.

2833
04:10:13,430 --> 04:10:14,210
11.2.

2834
04:10:14,210 --> 04:10:17,770
If it's okay Mr. Charam, let them clear out for a moment.

2835
04:10:17,870 --> 04:10:18,830
Yeah sure.

2836
04:10:25,930 --> 04:10:26,910
When you step down?

2837
04:10:27,450 --> 04:10:28,750
When you step out?

2838
04:11:53,500 --> 04:11:57,920
So next on the agenda is the appointments to the tourism development authority.

2839
04:11:58,560 --> 04:11:59,700
I do want to apologize.

2840
04:12:00,040 --> 04:12:02,420
We actually need to skip over Ms. Kristen Freeman.

2841
04:12:02,600 --> 04:12:05,540
She was appointed at the March 10th meetings on not so why.

2842
04:12:05,980 --> 04:12:06,860
This one made it on there.

2843
04:12:07,020 --> 04:12:08,200
Which one was that?

2844
04:12:08,840 --> 04:12:12,520
Ms. Kristen Freeman, she is our second applicant for the tourism development authority.

2845
04:12:12,520 --> 04:12:20,780
Okay. She was appointed March 10th. I think maybe I had copied the item and forgot to delete her area.

2846
04:12:24,450 --> 04:12:31,950
He's named right. I almost never know if I am. He is being, he is asked to be reappointed as the

2847
04:12:31,950 --> 04:12:37,670
out large member for the TDA board. He's currently retired but was once employed as the

2848
04:12:37,670 --> 04:12:45,310
manager for USA parking and as a director for the SAS Institute Incorporated. He's lived in

2849
04:12:46,150 --> 04:12:51,270
He served one term on the TDA board and has been an asset during that time.

2850
04:12:51,650 --> 04:12:57,610
Our tourism director, Miss Olivia Dawson, has given him great remarks.

2851
04:12:58,450 --> 04:12:59,950
He does make attendance.

2852
04:13:01,410 --> 04:13:03,390
And he hasn't been an asset to the board.

2853
04:13:04,290 --> 04:13:07,310
So myself and Miss Dawson have...

2854
04:13:08,130 --> 04:13:11,430
So he's sort of in the rules as far as we point in the right.

2855
04:13:11,430 --> 04:13:16,790
right this was his he's only had one term and I believe he only filled the remainder of a term so he

2856
04:13:16,790 --> 04:13:21,430
hasn't even first served like a full term yet so he's definitely within the realms of a reappointment

2857
04:13:23,190 --> 04:13:27,850
okay what are wishes you need to discuss motion to approve there's second all right all the

2858
04:13:27,850 --> 04:13:36,610
favorite signal i was saying all right lem three all right i'm very excited about this one because we

2859
04:13:36,610 --> 04:13:44,390
just reactivated it during the consent agenda. This is our Pender Housing Initiative. I have two

2860
04:13:44,390 --> 04:13:50,350
applicants. I will go over really quick how this board is set up. So typically there are three

2861
04:13:50,350 --> 04:13:56,670
applicants or three, three people appointed from either lower income housing or representative

2862
04:13:56,670 --> 04:14:03,830
for lower income housing. There are three members who are appointed from the private sector. So just

2863
04:14:05,150 --> 04:14:14,150
business owners, employees, etc., etc., and then we have three people from the county itself.

2864
04:14:14,650 --> 04:14:24,690
Typically in the past this has been a, we've had the planning, somebody from planning somebody from health and maybe like a manager or so on and so forth.

2865
04:14:25,510 --> 04:14:30,490
Right now before you I have one person from the private sector and one from the county offices.

2866
04:14:30,490 --> 04:14:36,510
First, on this appointment request, I have to Quasian Murray.

2867
04:14:37,030 --> 04:14:40,850
She's applied for the Pender Housing Initiative as a private sector member.

2868
04:14:41,310 --> 04:14:45,430
She's been a resident of Pender County for 27 years and she resides in Burma.

2869
04:14:45,930 --> 04:14:50,690
She's employed at Excel Early Learning Center as the lead teacher and has worked as a social

2870
04:14:50,690 --> 04:14:54,610
worker in the past for no-vont health, you may have a regional medical center and Pender

2871
04:14:54,610 --> 04:14:56,510
County Department of Social Services.

2872
04:14:56,510 --> 04:14:59,970
Additionally, she based her master's capstone.

2873
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:22,400
On addressing housing instability, among single African American mothers, should the board vote to appoint her, her term would begin June 1, 2025, and expire my 31st, 2028. She does come recommended by myself for appointment with her educational background and her employment background.

2874
04:15:23,300 --> 04:15:25,580
Okay, she is the only applicant for that.

2875
04:15:25,580 --> 04:15:30,300
Do you only want to had on time? I do have more applicants coming. I'm hoping to get this board

2876
04:15:30,300 --> 04:15:36,420
Philadelphia as soon as possible. So you have several right openings for the board? Yes last week. It was my board spotlight, which is a new thing

2877
04:15:36,420 --> 04:15:40,340
I'm doing on our social media accounts. So what is the wishes of the board on this 11.3

2878
04:15:42,360 --> 04:15:46,820
Yeah, I can go first. Second one. You know all too well as Ms. Fulton

2879
04:15:47,360 --> 04:15:50,820
She is currently on the housing coalition board

2880
04:15:50,820 --> 04:15:55,820
So it kind of makes sense for her to also be on this board so she can keep it within the

2881
04:15:55,820 --> 04:16:04,940
know. She would be a county representative. So, but she is on the Cape Fear Housing Coalition,

2882
04:16:04,980 --> 04:16:11,200
the Cape Fear Homeless Continuum of Care. She resides in Berga as well and has been so for 12 years.

2883
04:16:12,220 --> 04:16:18,020
I do recommend her for appointment. Her term would be the same June 1st, 2025 to May 31st,

2884
04:16:19,440 --> 04:16:21,960
228. Motion for both the applicants.

2885
04:16:22,980 --> 04:16:23,440
Yes.

2886
04:16:24,480 --> 04:16:27,960
So there's a motion on table for both. Is there a second?

2887
04:16:28,020 --> 04:16:31,240
Second. All right. All those figures sigma I've saved.

2888
04:16:31,860 --> 04:16:33,620
All right.

2889
04:16:36,840 --> 04:16:42,040
Next up, I have the appointment for the lower keep your water and sewer authority.

2890
04:16:42,700 --> 04:16:45,740
I do want to profess this item.

2891
04:16:46,160 --> 04:16:50,260
We do have Mr. Norwood Blanchard serving on that board.

2892
04:16:50,260 --> 04:16:58,420
He was appointed to that board after the board by passed rule 32's section C, which is

2893
04:16:58,420 --> 04:16:59,780
when we don't have any applicants.

2894
04:17:00,180 --> 04:17:07,440
We can appoint somebody who has served more than our rules procedure allow.

2895
04:17:09,040 --> 04:17:14,040
So I did speak with a couple of commissioners about him and I did speak to Mr. Norwood himself.

2896
04:17:14,040 --> 04:17:21,380
There is the option to not vote to appoint the applicant presented if you don't want to take Mr.

2897
04:17:21,400 --> 04:17:26,200
Blanchard off, but the way the rule is written, I do still need to continue

2898
04:17:26,200 --> 04:17:31,360
advertising for the position until an applicant who meets the criteria which would be, in

2899
04:17:31,360 --> 04:17:34,740
this case, not serving more than 10 years or three terms.

2900
04:17:35,700 --> 04:17:38,660
I do have to continue advertising for any applicants I get.

2901
04:17:39,340 --> 04:17:42,920
So just profiting, in case you have questions about that.

2902
04:17:42,920 --> 04:17:48,160
Yeah, I have a question. So you have Mr. Blanchard currently in the role. Correct.

2903
04:17:48,540 --> 04:17:54,840
Because because we had received no applications. But now we have an applicant. Right. So I continue to

2904
04:17:54,840 --> 04:18:02,040
advertising as the rules state and I did receive an application. So I'm just bringing that to the board.

2905
04:18:02,240 --> 04:18:07,920
If the board would prefer Mr. Norwood continue to serve, you're more than welcome to do so by just

2906
04:18:07,920 --> 04:18:13,400
not voting to a point this person, but, you know, it is my duty as the keeper of the

2907
04:18:13,400 --> 04:18:19,080
boards, if you're well, to at least present his application to you and have you guys make

2908
04:18:19,080 --> 04:18:20,240
a decision on your own.

2909
04:18:20,460 --> 04:18:25,060
No, no, discussion, motion for Mr. Buchan.

2910
04:18:25,300 --> 04:18:25,600
Okay.

2911
04:18:25,740 --> 04:18:25,960
Okay.

2912
04:18:26,780 --> 04:18:30,460
Do you, do you guys want me to review him or you read it and you're good?

2913
04:18:30,780 --> 04:18:30,980
Okay.

2914
04:18:31,340 --> 04:18:32,140
Side of the motion on table.

2915
04:18:32,260 --> 04:18:32,900
Thank you.

2916
04:18:33,100 --> 04:18:33,800
Motion in the second.

2917
04:18:34,420 --> 04:18:35,320
All right.

2918
04:18:35,620 --> 04:18:36,020
Discussion?

2919
04:18:37,240 --> 04:18:37,420
All right.

2920
04:18:37,420 --> 04:18:39,220
All those in favor, I'm saying, Regent.

2921
04:18:40,280 --> 04:18:42,540
Uh, post, post, post, all right, one of those.

2922
04:18:47,740 --> 04:18:48,620
11, five.

2923
04:18:48,920 --> 04:18:50,960
I know you guys are really stuck with me tonight.

2924
04:18:51,860 --> 04:18:54,320
Motion for, I mean, I guess we got, I think it's that,

2925
04:18:54,400 --> 04:18:55,500
is it just that under?

2926
04:18:55,900 --> 04:18:56,380
It's just him.

2927
04:18:56,820 --> 04:18:58,840
They had reached out, asking the board.

2928
04:18:59,640 --> 04:19:02,280
They resouth specifically to have the board reappoint him.

2929
04:19:02,360 --> 04:19:08,780
I believe he's been very, very good fit for this board.

2930
04:19:09,220 --> 04:19:13,980
Commissioner George could probably speak a lot to this because he serves on it with him and long as he's within the rules

2931
04:19:13,980 --> 04:19:15,240
Yeah, he's good.

2932
04:19:17,930 --> 04:19:18,330
Okay

2933
04:19:18,330 --> 04:19:26,860
Motion and second on the table those in five or six five say an eye. All right. All right last we have for Dr. Tate

2934
04:19:27,660 --> 04:19:29,140
So this is the appointment

2935
04:19:31,560 --> 04:19:34,660
Oh, I do need someone who wants to serve a lot of

2936
04:19:34,660 --> 04:19:36,980
Infusion or springer said absolutely not

2937
04:19:39,080 --> 04:19:43,480
Right now, I have the Priority One Workforce, the Animal Seltur advisory committee, the Wallace

2938
04:19:43,480 --> 04:19:46,220
Airport Board, and the Pender Housing Initiative.

2939
04:19:46,880 --> 04:19:50,560
I think I wrote authority, but it's an issue of such a significant authority, and pretend

2940
04:19:50,560 --> 04:19:56,400
it says an issue of, so if anyone wants to, I'll point him.

2941
04:19:57,040 --> 04:19:57,660
Make a motion.

2942
04:19:58,740 --> 04:19:59,360
I'll second-brown.

2943
04:19:59,520 --> 04:20:00,140
Motion in second.

2944
04:20:01,720 --> 04:20:06,960
Those in favor, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma, sigma.

2945
04:20:07,660 --> 04:20:11,900
So, that leads us to all the water and sewer districts.

2946
04:20:12,040 --> 04:20:14,500
Mr. Colone, everything good, there you need to open up a board.

2947
04:20:16,240 --> 04:20:17,700
All right, isn't this Moser in the audience?

2948
04:20:19,040 --> 04:20:20,560
Okay, everything good with health department.

2949
04:20:20,980 --> 04:20:24,160
Ms. Watson Green, I think she's left too.

2950
04:20:24,840 --> 04:20:29,700
All right, items from the county manager, Mr. Silverman.

2951
04:20:48,180 --> 04:20:49,560
What services would this evaluate?

2952
04:20:49,840 --> 04:20:51,440
Mr. Silver, what was that memory in?

2953
04:20:51,440 --> 04:20:52,340
It's 9.33.

2954
04:20:52,460 --> 04:20:53,300
9.33.

2955
04:20:53,660 --> 04:20:54,240
Make a motion.

2956
04:20:54,780 --> 04:20:54,780
The

2957
04:20:57,730 --> 04:21:04,790
Minister of George May was for a one year approval with approval also for FY-2425

2958
04:21:04,790 --> 04:21:07,470
for a major that year for $50,000.

2959
04:21:09,800 --> 04:21:12,440
I would try to correct me if I'm wrong.

2960
04:21:12,500 --> 04:21:15,300
Do we need to bring the motion back since at the time it did?

2961
04:21:15,580 --> 04:21:19,560
I wouldn't say it would be best procedurally to have.

2962
04:21:19,560 --> 04:21:24,560
I'll remove motion because the chair did declare it had failed for like a second.

2963
04:21:24,560 --> 04:21:33,360
All right, so I'll entertain that new motion make a motion to extend the P.O. in the middle of this year with a $5.00 and then into the one year

2964
04:21:36,200 --> 04:21:41,500
I'll second motion in second and on the table so all there's a favor sigma to see an eye

2965
04:21:42,100 --> 04:21:47,820
E post all right, thank you now the tax office can move forward and get some work done

2966
04:21:49,100 --> 04:21:53,320
All right, so any items from Mr. Attorney, Mr. Thurman

2967
04:21:53,320 --> 04:22:08,560
just items for closed session, mischerement, item three, attorney client, item four, economic development, item five, potential acquisition of real property, and item six personnel.

2968
04:22:09,860 --> 04:22:10,280
All right.

2969
04:22:18,430 --> 04:22:23,830
I do not have any personal items listed on this current executive session.

2970
04:22:26,350 --> 04:22:29,210
I was talking about the manner we discussed Friday.

2971
04:22:30,000 --> 04:22:34,040
All right.

2972
04:22:36,580 --> 04:22:36,580
Okay.

2973
04:22:39,700 --> 04:22:41,460
Deputy County manager, Mr. Allen.

2974
04:22:44,500 --> 04:22:56,260
County attorney, Mr. Hogan. Good sir. All right. Madam clerk, you good? Any additional commissioner?

2975
04:22:56,260 --> 04:22:58,160
If you want I can go over the training.

2976
04:22:59,140 --> 04:23:00,040
We're good.

2977
04:23:00,280 --> 04:23:01,140
We're good.

2978
04:23:01,140 --> 04:23:02,540
Mr. Groves.

2979
04:23:02,940 --> 04:23:06,260
Only is set the fact of this lower, um,

2980
04:23:06,820 --> 04:23:08,200
Cape for Water Authority.

2981
04:23:09,520 --> 04:23:12,380
Um, I want you to know that a knowledge that Mr.

2982
04:23:12,720 --> 04:23:20,120
Blanchard has surpasses a lot of the people on there.

2983
04:23:20,580 --> 04:23:23,920
And to lose him is going to be tough.

2984
04:23:23,920 --> 04:23:26,420
I'm just throwing that out there.

2985
04:23:26,800 --> 04:23:29,860
He's got two more years on the term that is all now.

2986
04:23:30,820 --> 04:23:35,000
And I'm just asking you to reconsider and let him serve

2987
04:23:35,000 --> 04:23:37,860
that two years if you would reconsider.

2988
04:23:38,820 --> 04:23:42,460
Because his knowledge and the money that he's trying

2989
04:23:42,460 --> 04:23:45,600
to save Pinter County is unbelievable.

2990
04:23:46,720 --> 04:23:51,820
I mean, he is really knowledgeable of what

2991
04:23:51,820 --> 04:23:53,640
he's doing on that water authority.

2992
04:23:54,860 --> 04:23:56,380
I think that I think Commissioner Gross,

2993
04:23:56,520 --> 04:23:58,540
I think I would have to be a motion to reconsider,

2994
04:23:58,980 --> 04:24:00,300
but what I would ask you before,

2995
04:24:00,380 --> 04:24:02,540
if you decide to do that is,

2996
04:24:03,240 --> 04:24:05,620
how many years has he served on that board?

2997
04:24:06,420 --> 04:24:09,020
How many years has he served in that board

2998
04:24:09,020 --> 04:24:09,920
or did that capacitor?

2999
04:24:10,280 --> 04:24:10,640
That's terrible.

3000
04:24:10,920 --> 04:24:12,700
That's why I had to pass the law.

3001
04:24:13,380 --> 04:24:16,540
I believe in my, so when I got my position,

3002
04:24:16,780 --> 04:24:19,840
I inherited a spreadsheet, they kept track of the terms,

3003
04:24:19,840 --> 04:24:21,940
and I believe his just says a lot.

3004
04:24:21,940 --> 04:24:24,480
He would won't come off this half of the year.

3005
04:24:25,780 --> 04:24:29,500
So I'm assuming that he served more than four years.

3006
04:24:29,660 --> 04:24:32,040
Otherwise, they probably want to put that.

3007
04:24:32,160 --> 04:24:32,340
Okay.

3008
04:24:32,900 --> 04:24:34,120
Well, that means, yeah.

3009
04:24:34,720 --> 04:24:35,100
All right.

3010
04:24:35,320 --> 04:24:36,460
Oh, is that moving him out?

3011
04:24:37,020 --> 04:24:42,000
So right now, he's kind of serving in lieu in lieu of is kind of way.

3012
04:24:43,100 --> 04:24:47,040
When you bypass rule 32, you're basically saying

3013
04:24:47,040 --> 04:24:48,600
in lieu of having any applicants,

3014
04:24:48,600 --> 04:24:58,580
We're going to continue letting this person serve or in lieu of having any applicants that fit this board or would work well for this board

3015
04:24:58,580 --> 04:25:00,960
Yeah, right

3016
04:25:00,960 --> 04:25:02,080
Commissioner George

3017
04:25:03,730 --> 04:25:05,950
All right, of us your spring

3018
04:25:08,170 --> 04:25:10,430
Well, what I would like to say is I

3019
04:25:11,830 --> 04:25:17,830
I would like to apologize for the family that had their child run over by a car

3020
04:25:18,390 --> 04:25:39,730
That's pretty bad. I don't know the facts in case I'm going to speak on it, but if it was done with Malice to a 14-year-old child, I think I think it will be appropriate to call for his resignation for the town board there in Bergau, but there again it's not my deal, but other than that, I hope everyone had a happy Easter and I don't have anything else. Thank you, Mr. Chair.

3021
04:25:39,730 --> 04:25:50,710
All right, Commissioner Dr. Tate and I don't have anything and we'll get ready to I'll entertain a motion to go into closed session

3022
04:25:52,830 --> 04:26:01,010
The motion on table is there second second motion in second all the favor say if I'm Santa alright we're in closed session thank you everyone