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Welcome to Tuesday, July 15, 2025, meeting please silence your cell phones, pages, and other electronic commission, communication devices.

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The genders and speaker request forms are located at the back of the chambers for anybody who wants to speak filling up, bring it up front, and we'll get you on the, we'll have a call over, we got the Gary Druse on zoom today, so we will do a roll call and determination of a quorum, Kara, can you handle that for us, please?

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Sure.

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Dirt.

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Here.

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Drose.

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Here.

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Chadcock.

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Here.

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Ross Connect.

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Here.

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Way from back.

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That gives us a quorum.

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So we will have a moment of silent reflection from Ron Ross Connect today.

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Thank you, Mr. Ron.

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Thank you.

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I pledge.

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We have a pretty robust agenda today, so if we can keep everybody on task and on track, I would greatly appreciate that.

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So number five, a review, and approve the agenda.

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I'm a motion from Hacker.

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Second from Dirty, approve the agenda on favor say aye.

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Aye.

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Opposed.

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Opposed.

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The same sign.

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Hearing none, motion carries.

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The consent agenda, the Board of Commissioners uses the consent agenda.

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The act on non-controversial and routine items.

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The consent agenda is acted upon by one motion.

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and vote of the board.

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I, as maybe, remove from the extended and placed on the regular agenda

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at the request of a board member or a citizen, the Cassenta Genica

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contains the following items.

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So do we have anybody from the audience that wants to remove anything

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from the Cassenta Genica?

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Okay, see and none.

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Do we have anybody from the commission that would like to remove

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something from the consent agenda?

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Mr. Chair, yes, Mr. Roskinac?

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Item C. Item C. Item C will be removed from the agenda. Approved the vouchers in the

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amount of 1909. Any other items? So if we would entertain a motion, removing C and

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improving the others, I'll make the motion, Mr. Chair.

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Second, I have a motion from Mr. Ross Connect to approve the consent agenda. Excluding item

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see a second by Commissioner Durrall and Faber say I oppose same sign. Hearing none, motion,

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carries. We'll go on to item number C, approve the vouchers in the amount of one million

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909, 365, 53. Mr. Ross Connect, you have the floor, sir. Mr. Chair, I'm still getting

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used to the diligent system, but I noticed that there's not an attachment on item C that

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So it was a breakdown of the vouchers.

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So I just wanted to point that up.

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If I may.

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Mr. Chair, that was an oversight.

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We did get it posted publicly,

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but it did not get attached to the geologen platform.

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It is on there.

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Now, if you refresh your screens, but I'm sorry about that.

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No, just want to thank you for calling that on.

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Commissioner.

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Drows Connect.

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We have a motion to approve.

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See?

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It's a one move.

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Second.

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Well, a motion from Commissioner.

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I was asking that second by Hadcock all on favor say I I oppose same sign hearing none motion carries will move on to item seven items from the public per SDCO 125 one so I don't have it

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we have a speaker request on that. We do have one. So speakers on this section will be recorded

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in a minutes by name and area of interest. So Dale, Busy, if you would mind coming forward

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and then you hear Dale, you can come forward and just give us your name and address and then we'll

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give you some time to explain what you would like to talk to us about. So we know action taken

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day, but we can definitely consider your thoughts.

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Is this sign?

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Yes.

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You're free to go.

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Well, it catches me.

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My name is Dale Boos on 11.

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One Creek side view Avenue, Rapid City, South Dakota.

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And I would like to talk to you today, be

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in your talking about your budget, on what you're spending, on using these computerized tabulators,

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versus going to hand count. So I put some numbers together. And in the 2023 and 2024 election

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cycle, you have spent with ESNS, $164,000. You had $72,100 ballots. I didn't narrow it down

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to the last one, I just rounded it out. So anyway, to hand count the ballots, we've done

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time trials, and if you have 11 issues on a ballot, you can count 100 ballots in an hour.

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And if you have five people working that table, then you pay them 20 dollars an hour,

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that's

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100 ballots, so that would have cost the county $70,000, $1,100, but you spent $64,000.

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So just quick math, that's $92,000 more than need to get the same results.

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I thought you might be interested in that. You may not know what you're spending on this.

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Every county does this. And so I put some numbers together for the state.

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Now going back to that 11 issues. So if you get six issues, it's 50 cents a ballot.

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We never have 11 issues on a primary election.

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We might have three, maybe four,

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so you can kind of do a numbers in your head, but the state

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was a hole had 542,500 ballots total. So, but the ballot, 542,500 dollars. They spent

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was ESMS 1.8 million dollars. Now you take the difference and you come up with the state

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spent $1.25 million more than they should have. That's substantial.

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And Pennyton County

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helped contribute to that deficit.

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I'm asking you to seriously consider to go to hand

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out our ballots. It's transparent. The money stays local.

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And U.S. and S, you know, they

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see everything is proprietary. You can't even get into the machines to check out

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through legitimate.

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And they say that they're proprietary to trade secrets. Is that what

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we need? Trade secrets in our election? I think not.

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You know, we need to go back to

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counting our ballots in our precincts.

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We don't need to bring them to a centralized

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location. Now you've got a big deal if you want a hand count. You've got 48 precincts.

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Yeah, and they all count. That's so in time. Meet County County ballots till 6 o'clock

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in the morning with the tabulators. I can guarantee you if they hand counted.

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Till six o'clock in the morning, you know if they would say, you know, we got to find a better way to do this.

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But do you hear that with those machines? No. So common sense to me is, you can get the same job done for way less money. Now you put your budget together here.

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to me it should be a common sense decision and if you continue using those tabulators my

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question to you as who's making you do this

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I know you guys are up here and get voted

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in because you have common sense

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without a doubt

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you know we never voted these tabulators

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as public. They were forced upon us and now we can't get rid of them. What would that tell

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you if you weren't sitting on the board? It's a big concern. I thank you for your time. Thank you

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for coming forward. I think that concludes public comment.

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We will go to items from buildings and

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around conceptual planning, county building and self-robbing.

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Let me speak.

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I did a nice late.

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Oh, okay.

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I'm a sign in.

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Okay.

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Syndicac, I have a business and building downtown Rapid City.

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Sure, I need.

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And I am concerned about how money is being spent and pertaining to the tabulators.

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There's a lot more money being spent that needs to be.

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So, I would just add that I think it's very important to get rid of these tabulators on a security viewpoint as well, because they're not secure, contrary to what everybody's been told they're not.

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I do have a graph that I printed out before I came if anybody would like to see this on the expenses that anything county.

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Thank

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you.

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And you know the fact that Tulsi Gabbard is putting together a task force to get to the bottom of the integrity of our elections says a lot.

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So, I hope everybody takes all that into consideration and considers if they want to keep doing business with ES and S in the future, spending more money and making the voters less and less sure about whether or not they're both counts.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Okay, is anybody else or we'll, okay? Thank you, and we'll have Mr. Davis.

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He can't live without that, man.

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We're all feeling for you. I need to gather. You guys got a tether for me.

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I had them from building a grounds conceptual planning presentation for county buildings and properties.

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Mr. Davis for sale.

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on Bill Jin, or is it on Bill Jin?

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You can do it on Bill Jin, or it's also on.

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I'll go ahead and let you.

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I'm better at it.

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It displays better on Bill Jin.

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Can you just a brief moment here?

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All right.

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Good morning, Commissioner's Davis Pursail, Director of Buildings and Grounds,

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for Pennyton County.

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I'm going to go through a little bit of a presentation here

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at the beginning on some of our needs as a county, mainly facility

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related staffing.

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At base stop of different data that I've collected over the last few months, and then we'll talk about, you know, potentially looking at consolidating some properties or see what direction you guys want to go.

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So why we're revisiting the data? Just want to make sure we're making informed transitions as the con course building opens up in the fall and then provide data back to recommendations for future space planning,

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for Pennington County.

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The BKB study, I'm going to refer to this a lot.

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I did not include it in the here because it is a,

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there's a lot of data in that that I've also used.

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As part of my research here, but what the BKB study did well,

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it identified that we needed some, you know,

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we had some space needs.

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It did provide a lot of future facing projections

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and it brought attention to long-term planning for the county.

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Where it fell short, and I've heard this for multiple departments, that it just lacked

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deeper collaboration within department leadership, meaning some of the meetings took place

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without some of the leadership there, or there wasn't a lot of referencing back to the data

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that they provided to talk about once they presented it, and then also it over-assimated

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population growth and staffing needs and we'll go over that.

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So first slide, this is the 2040 population projections that BKV had.

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They projected 147,300, that's a 27% growth from their study was in 2022.

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We do have updated revised projections from light cast and elevate as well as just some other

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of metrics that you can use online, that show, we're sitting between 1.36 and 1.40 for

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the projected 24 population projections. And obviously, this, I'll continue to refine this

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as the data becomes available. So this just breaks it down for a little better context. You

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can see here the blue line is BKB. I couldn't find their start, like exactly what they had

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for 2025.

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But if you put this in on this graph, you can see they at least had us at 120,000 or higher

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already in 2025 with the total population at 147,000 by 2040.

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And then if you take, if you look at these orange red lines, however, they come up on your

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sheet, you can see down at the bottom, the lower line is based off of a 59 or sorry, a .59% growth.

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And then the middle line is 0.78% population growth and then the top line is 0.97 population growth.

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And you can see here this spike is includes a thousand people per year for the Ellsworth expansion.

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I believe that's going to be done around 2030 when they have all those people accounted for and then you can see it kind of tapers back off.

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And then we're going to move on to staffing projections here and stop me at any time if you have questions.

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The staffing projections here in 2022 the staff head count that BKB had was 914.

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I could not find the data on that.

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Meaning I don't know how many county employees that was specifically how many courts and employees

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and RCPD was also included in there, and I could not find it breakdown for that, but they

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showed by 20-40, we would have a 47% growth in staffing, which is 1,340 employees, sort

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of the revised projections that I'm looking at here. Again, this is all data backed. I can

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everything with you, I did not include all of my sources and all the other stuff at the back

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end of this. But I certainly can. We're showing more about between 950 and 1100 for the revised

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projection for 2040 staffing needs. And again, if you look up here, this is important. This is for

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county, courts, and our CPD all included.

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So. So, Chair, this is a question. So Mr. Mr. Davis,

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So per thousand, it's 7.2 ft's per thousand now.

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County employees, and we have 841 county employees.

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Okay, so it's 7.2 per thousand.

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And so I looked up Minihaha and it's got a population of 212.

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601, and their FTEs are 635, and that's pretty much 3 FTEs per 1000s. So let's just say there's a

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anomaly in Pennington County. Let's add 100. Extra FTEs that we might not accounted for for different

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areas that we do different. That's still 3.5. Then I looked up what's typical in the counties, in general.

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it's usually 4 to 5 per thousand. How do we get there? What do we need to do different?

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I would say we need to do something different. If it's 7.2 FTs per thousand in Penitent

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and then we have other counties that are typical at 4 to 5.

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And we have a population that's double ours and then I add anomaly that we might have of 100.

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It's only 3.5. So there needs to be a change in Penitent County and how we do business with the FTEs

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and where we're moving forward.

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Based on the growth, like I said, and then you add to that 7.2,

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that's a lot of FTEs in Pittington County.

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And then I keep saying, and have said,

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there's going to be technology driven,

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and it's going to move forward in a way

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that we don't need as much building space,

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hopefully, in as many FTEs to run those different areas.

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So, based on BKV, try to say it

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in the first time when we talked about this

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right and I'm glad you recalculated because it wasn't making sense to me then and now that

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I figured it out based on real numbers it's quite an anomaly and Penny to County that we have

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7.2 FTEs per thousand. So thank you Mr. Davis.

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So again the titles are important here

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the last slide you can see it's County's courts and RCPD staffing projections 2040 this is

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county and courts only, so just excluding our CPD, you can see the BK projection in 2040

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would have been about 123 total employees and again we have 841 now so keep that in mind.

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If you base it off of population scaling, so even if we were to grow to 145,000 people,

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we may need this many employees to put it into context.

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If you add five FTEs a year, this is the number you get to.

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If you add eight FTEs a year, that's the number you get to.

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And what I did here is I threw 50 correctional officers sort of on the back end

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and added it onto this number.

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That's again pending jail project in those future needs and how that project turns out.

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Oh, Jeremy.

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It comes back on.

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So basically, if we do the entire jail tower with 50 FTEs,

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11 and they had a sat, not even with, did they have the jail tower and there were 1,000

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dollars.

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They did have some projections for a future jail, they did, but I don't know what their

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calculations were specifically on CEOs on correctional officers.

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That's quite a difference.

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Thank you.

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And then, so titles are important here.

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2040 staffing projections with RCPD.

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So this is the data, this is the number I showed you on the main slide.

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So this was their projection with RCPD, RCPD, courts, and county.

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You can see it goes up to 1,340, even if you base it off a population scaling, I can't

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fathom that type of staffing increase.

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It's almost a 50% increase over 15 years from now.

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Again, if you hire five FTEs, hire eight or another 50 CEOs, we can get to that point.

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Or Chair, I keep asking a question, sorry.

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So, how many does the PD have now?

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Currently, well, in our downtown campus, roughly 90, 90 employees.

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So, they're projecting on the next page, so 9v47, more by 24, please officers.

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No, so this is actually, this graph shows 20, 40 to 20, 25 staffing projections.

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This is just an increase of staffing alone, so I'm not basically all these numbers start

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from our current staffing levels.

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So from this point forward our CPD would be roughly 137. They would need 137 more FTEs by 2040 plus the 90 plus what they already have downtown correct.

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And again, this, you know, I'm, the majority of our CPD's growth is going to be patrol.

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So it's not, they don't need confined office spaces, but again with patrol ads, admin, ads, everything else.

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it's it's difficult to project exactly I mean again I'm not I don't work for the city

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I would love to have someone from their health conceptualized some of this growth and understand it better.

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But as you can see, this is sort of a big piece of what I'm going to be talking about, because in no facet,

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can we continue to, I guess, utilize our downtown property space for our CPD growth over time.

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I think that relationship in the sheriff's office needs to maintain itself in ways that I don't know how those operations work.

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But over time we're really going to have to go to the table and have those hard discussions with our CPD about what they actually see happening with their growth long term.

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So by 2040, the courts will add roughly 25 people from now.

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Sheriff, I just threw a number in here again.

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This, I mean, he has some staffing needs that are not major,

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but if we build a new jail, this number can fluctuate dramatically.

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States attorneys, roughly 33 employees by 2040, 33 additional employees.

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ESS or 911, 26, and Treasurer, 14, and this number I strictly pulled from BKV I did not have time to meet with a net on this.

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So Davis, where did you come up with 33 for states attorney when they have 63.5 right now?

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I had a conversation with Laura and we came to the conclusion that roughly in attorney per year,

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Plus a legal secretary for every other attorney plus some other staffing projections. She had over the next four years

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So she may able to speak to that a little bit more. We didn't dive super deep into her staffing needs

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I took what BKV had and then I had a brief conversation with her

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But mainly that growth as attorneys and legal secretaries just

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This is growth right. This is not this is additional FTE's only over the next 16 3.5

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I think it's going to add 33 more in the next 15 years.

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Yeah.

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I'd like to know what Minihahe didn't look it up.

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What Minihahe has for, I know it's different in one sense.

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Like you said, you got to add anomalies.

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But that's a lot of attorneys.

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Please share if I understand it could be this, could be that.

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But same thing.

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I don't know.

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I think, right now, we have a lot of FTEs and some of the departments are ready.

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So that we're overstaffed and some of them that's my opinion.

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Mr. Chair.

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Yes, Commissioner.

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So in these numbers that you're showing with what about the other departments, increased

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staffing needs?

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These were the increasing the most out of all of the departments.

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So I didn't break it down to the other ones are fairly minimal over a 15 year stretch.

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All right.

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So can you include me?

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I can certainly.

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get you guys that information though.

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Oh, you included that on five FTs year, nine FTs yet?

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Yeah, and these projections, everything is calculated,

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every department within the county.

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And the reason these are highlighted differently is

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obviously because these are bigger ones.

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They're well, and they're not, you know,

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obviously the courts are state employees,

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and these are city employees.

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These are strictly county employees.

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And, you know, this number, like I said, the sheriff will need, there will be FTs that he will need for administrative purposes or other reasons, but a lot of these would be correctional officers, so it's you're not looking at a lot of square footage here outside of the jail itself, but not necessarily for office needs and things like that.

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So,

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so this is the square footage that BKV allocated per employee, and they're 2022 study.

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I am still unsure how this number ever came to fruition for 468 square feet.

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This is the blanket average that 468 on that they put on every single employee on our

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In our facilities, a correctional facility's average is 450 square feet per employee.

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That's national average.

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That is for correctional officers because they're usually serving a cell block that is fairly

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expansive and there's only a one or two correctional officers per cell block, things like that.

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So I've just tried to put something in context here, but right here you have the GSA National

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average, which is 190 square foot, and this is for this is for public facing offices.

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This is usually what is allocated per employee.

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I think our target average can be between 2 to 300 square feet per employee.

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And these calculations are offices, common corridors, public waiting spaces, conference rooms, restrooms, it takes everything into consideration.

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So again, this number may have been, sorry, this number may have been accurate for some correctional facilities items, but when they have it on a slide,

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But I did not include it in here, but it shows that they allocated 468 square feet per

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employee as a blanket average, which obviously drives our, what was, what was showing our

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square footage needs, it was very, very high at the time.

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Mr. Chair.

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Mr. Chairman.

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Mr. Chairman.

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Mr. Chairman.

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Mr. Chairman.

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feed of office space, and the typical employee that 190 square feet that would include, I'm

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looking at a cubicle, the typical cubicle size is that 10 by 10, roughly, so 100, 100 square

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feet.

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Okay, I'm just trying to, and then I can break it down for you.

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And if you had a thousand square feet and you're not usable area for employee, what percent of that total thousand square feet would be always elevators, festivals, break rooms and so forth.

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It just breaks down in a sort of it's portioned per department. So if you have a department that has, let's take the treasurer's office into it, you know, just because it's sort of easy to talk about, they have a public waiting area.

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So that would be taken into consideration in their space.

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How many FTs do they have?

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How many offices do they have?

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How many conference rooms do they have?

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And then some shared restrooms and corridors.

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And basically, so you would take their office space,

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which may be a hundred square feet,

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and then you take all the other square footage

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and you divide it by the amount of employees that they have.

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And again, in that case, you may end up over a hundred and ninety square feet.

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But, it's rare that you get to a point ever where you need 468 square feet for that.

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I didn't get to break this down even further based on every single department, but I certainly can.

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It's a lot of work because every single one of them are different.

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But I can tell you right now that almost every single one of them will fall within the 190 to 300 square feet.

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Yeah, I guess my question was before we got into this.

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Any deeper was that 200 the square foot target that that included all the common areas

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rest him always.

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It does.

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Yes.

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It does.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Davis.

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Yeah.

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When you use these numbers like each one of your employees that don't have basically their own

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middle of the time, concert be sheriff.

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Yep.

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So like you have space to use typically.

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And so like a lot of my main, it's guys don't have offices.

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they just have like a break room, which then that space gets divided amongst them.

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Now then, you know, with B&G, you're also going to have storage needs, you're going to have

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fleets, equipment storage and stuff like that. So that could expand what you actually calculate

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per employee for those needs. But again, it varies drastically. It's just easier to use the total employees.

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That's where it comes with. And that's why the 2 to 300 is a fairly, fairly decent average,

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and it's pretty conservative as well.

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So phase one, these are departments that are not moving the concourse.

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I have already spoken with pretty much everyone on here except for the courts.

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I've spoken with Liz a little bit about some items, but we have some more things we need to get into there

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And that's a much bigger monster.

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The court system is.

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And the one, item or the one department I did not have on here is human services, who is located

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over at Care Campus, and I have not spoken with them yet.

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Phase two, these are all departments that are moving to ConCourse, and you can see, so

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I think everyone's been out to ConCourse and seeing the space out there.

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And I can tell you confidently that that building will hold up for decades for those

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departments with growth aligned inside of it, but this phase 2 will come later.

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So the end goal of this assessment is really just to continue to emphasize long-term

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campus planning, and obviously maximize the use of existing facilities, talk more about

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that here in a bit,

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and it goes along with the second one optimizes the use of the vacated

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administrative spaces following the Concourse relocation, a line building.

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I'm going to use it with department size and foot traffic. And then this one's a huge one here.

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I acknowledge our CPD significant projected growth. I've talked about that a little bit, but we're really going to have to come to the table and figure out exactly what we're going to do for the long-term planning with our CPD, and how that looks because I'm not trying to squeeze a department out of PSB.

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That's not what I'm trying to do, or squeeze our CPD out of there.

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But I can tell you confidently, if they continue to,

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maybe by precincts in the south and the north and the east and the west,

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and they can expand that way rather than downtown,

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because really we don't have anywhere to expand downtown.

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If they continue to do that, it allows the sheriff's office

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to continue to grow within our own county building at the public safety building.

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Concourse, again, this is phase two, but you'll see a department specific growth plan aligned with all of that available square footage.

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This is obviously a point of future overcrowding, and then plan for future expansion out there as well.

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So what does this do? It builds on a BKB foundation, doesn't replace it.

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It aligns with updated data.

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focuses on practical reuse of existing space.

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It supports the Commission's directive to reduce costs,

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creates department-level recommendations,

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and what does it need to succeed?

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Just clear objectives, current data,

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continuing to be a fluid document, leadership support,

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obviously, a shared focus on what's best for the county's future,

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and then I will be transparent at every stage during this process.

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Any more questions on that before we get to the

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Mr. Chair?

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Mr. Chair.

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The day of us over at the Public Defenders Building,

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which is 14 St. Joe, right now how many per square foot estimate per employee based on the 36,000 square feet that that building is, I believe it's 36,000 square feet.

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Just so that we get an idea what we currently have over their per employee.

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And that would include.

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But I bet that would fall between 350 and 400 square feet per employee, would be my guess.

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Okay. Yeah. But I don't have that off. Right now, but that would be my guess based off of public

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defenders, current staffing levels and ours. It's probably closer to the 400 because we

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have less than 100 employees total and that building is 40,000 square feet, 39,000 square feet.

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So, well, okay, we can, everything I've seen is 36, but I'm good with 42.

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So, if we asked the public defender to come up here and say,

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what do you feel based on the increase in crime that you see in the rap city in

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Penning County, Western South Dakota, what do you feel your number of employees that you're going

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to need in 2015 years now, there again, we're just asking the source, the folks that deal with this

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day. And if they say, you know, I don't know what the answer is going to be, but then it could

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we take that projection 15 years out and then divided it into 40,000 in C where that comes

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out how many square feet per employee just so that we're all on the same page and we're

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including the department heads in this conversation. Sure. Yes, and they have been, I have

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had multiple meetings with Eric over the last few months and also that number that we're

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looking at for 2040, 2045 is roughly 50 to 55 FTEs for that department right now. I believe

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they're at 36 and you'll see in the admin building concept that I'll show here in a bit

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that that we can accommodate that growth within this building but I can certainly put a number

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to the first interstate bank building. I can certainly say that if the department heads are happy

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with these projections, they feel comfortable with it. So do I. Okay. Got it. And if they

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can certainly come up at any point in talk if they want to.

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I'm going to briefly go through this.

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This is just a summary.

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I made sure to add every single building, but the majority of buildings that house, the majority

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of our departments, so obviously the bank or the public defender's operations building, currently

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houses public defenders and buildings and grounds, and then you'll see the conceptual

444
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consolidation plan for that.

445
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:39,540
County admin building, the building we're standing in now, conceptual plan for that, you will see here that that includes the public defenders and buildings and grounds moving back into this building.

446
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:47,400
Highlights of that plan that you will see is the fire admin is moving into the former H or soon to be former HR area.

447
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:53,040
States attorneys is expanding public defenders is moving back into their space on third

448
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,360
floor, but also expanding down the level two.

449
00:39:56,020 --> 00:39:59,960
We have records, civil, and warrants from public cities.

450
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:07,480
Safety building, potentially moving into the public face encounters up on 2nd floor, and I'll show you guys that.

451
00:40:07,860 --> 00:40:15,160
And then the NG moves into the IT space. The estimated remodel costs that we're looking at right now is between 1 and 2.5 million.

452
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:19,920
That can really drastically change depending on how much we really want to dive into it.

453
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:29,740
I'm trying to keep those costs as low as possible by just doing the minimal amount of work as possible because a lot of the space we have now is pretty much a user.

454
00:40:29,740 --> 00:40:33,640
friendly and ready to move into, but there is a little bit of work that has to happen.

455
00:40:35,460 --> 00:40:41,060
The public safety building, you will also see that plan right now, it houses the Sheriff's

456
00:40:41,060 --> 00:40:42,720
Office and RCPD.

457
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,480
Some of the key considerations are obviously record civil and warrants moving over to cab.

458
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:56,500
Like I mentioned, I am not recommending the 24-7 program, be relocated to downtown.

459
00:40:56,860 --> 00:41:00,100
We can certainly have a longer conversation about that.

460
00:41:00,100 --> 00:41:11,520
same with DCI. I don't know how DCI operates within the sheriff's office. So that would be something the sheriff would have to speak on if that could be moved to a doubt to the downtown space.

461
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:20,920
And then PSB could be used as a swing space to relocate the jail admin people over.

462
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:28,000
If the jail project goes through and we're remodeling that space we can use admin as, sorry, the PSB building a swing space.

463
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,300
Another part of this presentation is going to show some of the buildings and grounds site.

464
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,340
We call it the Harley building, the wood shop and metal shop.

465
00:41:38,300 --> 00:41:42,380
We have had a lot of interest in those lots from developers.

466
00:41:43,820 --> 00:41:50,100
I think for a long time, B&G has put other departments first before themselves in a lot

467
00:41:50,100 --> 00:41:56,720
of aspects and I think it's really time we start to look at what a long term planning solution

468
00:41:56,720 --> 00:42:03,760
for B&G could look like to potentially consolidate those shops and potentially build a new

469
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:13,120
building. And obviously it's a big request or a big thing to think about. But again, it's

470
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:17,720
time we look into that. And I also believe that this was talked about as part of the bonding

471
00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:23,080
efforts that were made back in 2022 or 2023 when they bonded for the money that we currently

472
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,260
have now was part of it was for potential B&G building.

473
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,840
Jail and Jail annex.

474
00:42:30,260 --> 00:42:31,820
This is pretty self-explanatory.

475
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,460
We have some major infrastructure in the 1989 Jail and some more capacity issues.

476
00:42:37,100 --> 00:42:38,560
So that project is ongoing.

477
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,460
Concourse, it's going to be the new administration building.

478
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:46,920
Again, that will support long-term growth for those departments for decades.

479
00:42:48,020 --> 00:42:53,900
evidence building. It is a county own facility. Utilized by the Sheriff's Office, RCPD and

480
00:42:53,900 --> 00:42:59,180
Highway Patrol, but it is 100% staff by RCPD, and I believe there are about 15 employees

481
00:42:59,180 --> 00:43:08,760
over there. How many? 15 at the evidence building. Court House, you know, like it states

482
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,060
their growth within the court system is expected to continue at a manageable pace, so we just

483
00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:20,140
to make sure we can re-work some existing layouts, build out unfinished underused utilized areas

484
00:43:20,140 --> 00:43:24,080
especially down in the basement and then maintain flexibility for future courtrooms

485
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:25,280
and support space.

486
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,900
No immediate major expansion is needed, but we obviously are going to have to keep adjusting

487
00:43:31,900 --> 00:43:34,560
to keep pace with the courts.

488
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:42,700
pivot point. That is the building that is behind the care campus. That is a county

489
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:47,420
own facility that's operated by West River Mental Health. Then you have the care

490
00:43:47,420 --> 00:43:52,420
campus which holds several service office for the departments including crisis

491
00:43:52,420 --> 00:43:57,160
care, center, detox and then I mistakenly put human services in there very made me

492
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:02,800
hear about that. So apologies there but their human services is not part of the

493
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:08,320
know, no changes are currently planned right now for that space and then the original jail,

494
00:44:08,380 --> 00:44:12,520
which is the former B&G building, this is the building that's kind of in the courthouse,

495
00:44:12,540 --> 00:44:18,300
right as you pull into the courthouse parking lot off of Kansas City Street. And this right now serves

496
00:44:18,300 --> 00:44:22,120
as patrol and training spaces for sheriff's office and our CPD.

497
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,300
I don't really need to get into

498
00:44:25,300 --> 00:44:32,780
this document unless you guys need me to. I provided this a while back. This is it shows what

499
00:44:32,780 --> 00:44:37,460
What our building name is, the square footage, do we own it or not, is it least, do we lease

500
00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:41,500
it out or are we leasing it and then the primary occupants in there?

501
00:44:41,660 --> 00:44:43,440
You can kind of see the total square footage.

502
00:44:43,780 --> 00:44:45,600
This is everything that's listed on this list.

503
00:44:45,780 --> 00:44:52,140
It's not everything that we have, but it's the majority and then it shows what we, the amount

504
00:44:52,140 --> 00:44:53,080
we currently lease.

505
00:44:53,140 --> 00:44:58,360
This is what we paid per year for lease and this is leased from the county that we currently

506
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:59,980
make off the company.

507
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,920
I'm saying that is we have the old accounting administration, we have 12 departments in the correct. Sorry, say that again.

508
00:45:07,020 --> 00:45:14,820
We have 12 departments in the current administration building yesterday. There's 105 square feet, 871.

509
00:45:16,260 --> 00:45:21,090
And then we have about 25,000 comms face or mechanical room.

510
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:30,000
How does this building get roughly 20 to 25,000 of this?

511
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,840
So using 80,000 square feet for basically employees, and you have 12 departments.

512
00:45:37,220 --> 00:45:37,660
Correct.

513
00:45:39,660 --> 00:45:44,060
Then across the street, you have 40,000 square feet.

514
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,480
How much common area do you have?

515
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,660
are mechanical. 5,000, 10,000.

516
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:53,900
The majority of the mechanicals on the roof, so it's minimal other than public corridors.

517
00:45:54,700 --> 00:45:56,800
So I'd say probably 5 to 8,000.

518
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,400
Okay, so you have two departments on 40 basically, 40,000 square feet across the bank.

519
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:05,990
Then let's go to concourse.

520
00:46:06,450 --> 00:46:10,510
We have 76,000 square feet, how much of a common area do you have?

521
00:46:11,010 --> 00:46:12,910
Basically, halls and...

522
00:46:14,670 --> 00:46:24,390
It's actually, I would say about 50,000 of that, 55,000 of that is occupied by staff.

523
00:46:24,750 --> 00:46:27,170
So I'd say roughly 20,000 is common space.

524
00:46:27,390 --> 00:46:31,710
Okay, so then you have eight departments in 50,000,000 space.

525
00:46:32,270 --> 00:46:34,310
So you have anybody getting this?

526
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:38,170
So if you have eight departments in about 55,000,

527
00:46:38,170 --> 00:46:43,350
thousand square feet, but across the street you have two departments in 40,000 square feet

528
00:46:43,350 --> 00:46:49,030
with not a common. I'll keep saying, when this all came about with BKV, that's exactly

529
00:46:49,030 --> 00:46:56,190
what I was saying. It's overdone. You're using a space that wasn't needed and you still

530
00:46:56,190 --> 00:47:00,930
have square footage in this building, obviously, and you had square footage left where

531
00:47:00,930 --> 00:47:05,750
you could have took and we could have took and used maybe the kitchens and all that.

532
00:47:05,750 --> 00:47:08,790
there wasn't a half due to have kitchens and everything over there.

533
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:10,210
Here's the problem as well.

534
00:47:10,550 --> 00:47:18,710
You took TSP's plan and you had a construction manager change in.

535
00:47:19,230 --> 00:47:23,670
So they had a perfectly good plan for what was going to happen at over at the concourse

536
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:27,090
and we had some departments that went in there and changed it.

537
00:47:27,090 --> 00:47:30,930
Some made rooms so they could get out the back door through the halls and different areas.

538
00:47:31,370 --> 00:47:33,290
That's just crazy to me.

539
00:47:33,890 --> 00:47:34,410
What happened?

540
00:47:35,490 --> 00:47:41,070
transparent communication we never had. So now we have a design with

541
00:47:41,070 --> 00:47:46,250
hallways that look like mazes because some of the departments decided they

542
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:52,430
needed to redo their areas with a construction manager instead of architects.

543
00:47:54,960 --> 00:48:00,440
We had some very untransparent stuff happening on these buildings and I think

544
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:04,720
it's pretty sad because it shows by the square footage across the street and it

545
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:10,840
by the design at TSP. It also shows by the numbers. But we never could get the numbers.

546
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,180
So unfortunately,

547
00:48:18,340 --> 00:48:23,640
people that were doing this and wouldn't listen to me and Travis, and then the cost.

548
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:31,440
This sheet you gave us, Mr. Davis, it shows we didn't have enough money to buy a bank

549
00:48:32,020 --> 00:48:37,940
because we had millions of dollars worth of roofs and other stuff that we had to have in a plan.

550
00:48:37,940 --> 00:48:43,380
And I kept saying in the buildings and grounds when I was in there, more buildings is not better

551
00:48:43,380 --> 00:48:43,820
guys.

552
00:48:44,140 --> 00:48:46,300
It's a fish and an effect of what we have now.

553
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:52,060
And it shows by the plans and what happened, and by the design of what happened to a building

554
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,940
that, unfortunately, and I'll say again, we didn't have the money to build that after the

555
00:48:56,940 --> 00:49:01,100
fact that we found out we didn't have $9 million because the city didn't contribute it,

556
00:49:01,100 --> 00:49:03,460
like they were going to in a contract that we never signed.

557
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:09,760
So, all that transparency for all these buildings and all this stuff that I agreed also on concourse,

558
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:16,380
thinking we had a $9 million contract, has now come to pass to do this in order to make it work,

559
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:27,340
and also have someone with knowledge that what does the needs of Pinnon County need for the future, not what they wanted.

560
00:49:27,340 --> 00:49:36,340
You know, you knew by the 450 square feet per individual. We knew that back at BKVs.

561
00:49:37,020 --> 00:49:41,320
That was before they changed anything. So what's changed? It hasn't.

562
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,740
What happened is you had the votes.

563
00:49:45,100 --> 00:49:51,780
You had the people going in there that empowered themselves to do stuff that shouldn't have been done.

564
00:49:52,660 --> 00:49:53,960
And now the public is paying the cost.

565
00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:09,820
So you knew nothing about this at the time, you're just trying to work out how you make it work in a way that it's deans, not once, of departments.

566
00:50:10,700 --> 00:50:18,400
Because I don't see Penny's encounter growing in big FTEs. I see technology and I set it back then in technology.

567
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:24,140
Plus, what we all forgot about is you have to pay insurance, you have to pay for those extra

568
00:50:24,140 --> 00:50:31,140
fTs, you have to pay for all that stuff that we found out from 16 million in five years

569
00:50:31,140 --> 00:50:37,100
of fTs with benefits was 21 million, not that 3.6 that was said to us.

570
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:45,760
It was 21 million in five years that we increased just on fTs and benefits for them.

571
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:52,360
Then you bought buildings that didn't have space needs that actually or needs they were once

572
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,240
So all that came to past where we are today

573
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:03,280
That we have to do some cuts in order to make that happen. We said that Travis and I said that you guys are making us so it's unsustainable for the future

574
00:51:04,660 --> 00:51:09,840
And it's showing through these numbers. It's showing through the

575
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:14,080
Faxial numbers on FTEs and what we actually spent by now

576
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,220
So, Davis, thank you for bringing this forward.

577
00:51:17,980 --> 00:51:21,200
I also, like I said, the square footage didn't make sense to me back then.

578
00:51:21,240 --> 00:51:24,280
Now, it really shows how much we overdid.

579
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:25,940
Thank you.

580
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:26,280
Thank you, Chair.

581
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:27,260
Commissioner.

582
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,200
I'd like to get my teammates and now that we've heard this lecture.

583
00:51:32,700 --> 00:51:37,460
If I had the opportunity to divide that property today for five million, I'd do it in

584
00:51:37,460 --> 00:51:37,780
the heartbeat.

585
00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:40,360
And here's three reasons why.

586
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,060
Number one is when we bought that property, we also bought a 28,000 square

587
00:51:44,060 --> 00:51:51,280
of a lot that was adjacent to the vacant to 28,000 square foot lot, the lamplutter, a lot.

588
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,180
And the effort of trying to have some vacant land for future expansion for the court systems

589
00:51:58,180 --> 00:51:59,580
that was a good move.

590
00:52:00,620 --> 00:52:08,520
It was a $5 million purchase, $1.8 million in land that left a residual for $3 million, $200,000

591
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:15,580
for a class A institutional quality building that comes to 82 dollars as square foot.

592
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,680
Davis, if you had to replace that building today, we both know you could not do the building

593
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:22,460
by itself for less than 400.

594
00:52:23,260 --> 00:52:26,620
Probably close to the 450 or 500 and you have to agree with that.

595
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:32,140
And so if we sell the building, we sell the building, but the bottom line, it was a good

596
00:52:32,140 --> 00:52:36,920
investment for the money and for the location because in my heart it was the right thing

597
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:43,520
do because the location kept the campus together and then put the public defender three miles

598
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:47,760
to my courthouse. So, if I have to do it again, I do it again. If we have to sell some of the

599
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:52,440
property, that's fine. But I had, I had my own rationale. I do it again in the hard, but I just

600
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,060
want to make that clear. Chair.

601
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:01,180
Commissioner Headcut. I can respect that, Ron. But I appreciate that,

602
00:53:01,380 --> 00:53:06,340
you know, square footage and you know buildings, but you have to know money. So you have to have

603
00:53:06,340 --> 00:53:11,440
the money even it looks like a good deal I would like to go by another motel because it's

604
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:16,140
a great deal and a better space and it's a great but if I don't have enough money and

605
00:53:16,140 --> 00:53:22,800
it shows from these sheets and we kept saying we don't have enough money for that building.

606
00:53:23,500 --> 00:53:29,580
Even if it's a great deal I like great deals but if I can't afford them because I have

607
00:53:29,580 --> 00:53:34,300
other stuff because we had wage studies we had other things that we needed to do and

608
00:53:34,300 --> 00:53:36,400
had concourse to spend the money on.

609
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,080
So, I respect that you liked that building

610
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:42,180
and you thought the square footage was great,

611
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:46,480
but I also have to understand that the taxpayers

612
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,300
are saying quit spending our money,

613
00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:52,480
we want the budgets to either level out or lower,

614
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,300
so we don't have property taxes

615
00:53:54,300 --> 00:53:55,640
at least in Pennyton County.

616
00:53:56,020 --> 00:53:57,680
So, we were trying to do that,

617
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,020
and some of us weren't,

618
00:53:59,260 --> 00:54:01,900
we decided that we'd get the most being for a buck.

619
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:03,900
Like I said, I respect that

620
00:54:03,900 --> 00:54:09,660
one sense, but I also am a what if, and it came to the what if because it shows right here

621
00:54:09,660 --> 00:54:14,840
on these sheets, how many millions that we need, and we could have used the 4.5 million

622
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:20,640
to correct stuff that we already had in B&G, which was said over and over again, you gotta take

623
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:27,320
care of the building you have before you buy more. That's just common sense, 101 business when

624
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:31,720
And you're doing anything, let alone government.

625
00:54:33,580 --> 00:54:37,240
So I appreciate that you got good per square foot.

626
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:41,800
I have appreciate that you want that building because you thought they needed more space.

627
00:54:42,100 --> 00:54:47,540
But the bottom line it was a want not a need because of the needs that were already needed

628
00:54:47,540 --> 00:54:52,880
before without money instead of the wants that we should have had for a big, a great deal.

629
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:53,940
I think it was your haircut.

630
00:55:00,700 --> 00:55:10,680
And you break out lease property, we're at 158,000 in change, and we're getting in return on our lease property, 44.

631
00:55:12,300 --> 00:55:23,840
So, in some of these buildings, and I would imagine you have it, and I'm just going to ask for it, but can you break out the buildings where we have shared space and what the square footage is with all the players?

632
00:55:25,100 --> 00:55:25,540
Yes.

633
00:55:26,460 --> 00:55:31,260
So, and then I'm going to go back to the PSB and so it might be a question for the sheriff,

634
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:35,520
but so the police department is sharing the public safety building.

635
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,300
Are they paying by a square footage or how is that done?

636
00:55:39,460 --> 00:55:44,780
They, yes, yes, there's it's percentage base based off of the amount of square footages

637
00:55:44,780 --> 00:55:45,880
that they take up in the building.

638
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:51,620
They pay 61% operating costs and utility costs at that building.

639
00:55:54,060 --> 00:55:54,300
Okay.

640
00:55:54,300 --> 00:55:59,000
So they're paying operating costs and utilities and utilities.

641
00:55:59,620 --> 00:56:05,740
So a utility and when I say operating, I mean like maintenance and custodial things and everything

642
00:56:05,740 --> 00:56:08,500
associated with that building, 61% roughly.

643
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,220
Of the operating costs, but they're not paying for space.

644
00:56:13,100 --> 00:56:15,740
They're not leasing, no, they're not leasing space.

645
00:56:17,380 --> 00:56:24,280
So this is, I would like that broken out as well, you know, the return that we're getting, you

646
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:30,200
space and it's going to go back to a question on the fact that on the space that we're

647
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:36,120
leasing and it's a talking point to have with the department heads and you know the sheriff is

648
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:41,680
here and you could probably answer the question but just put it in your mind. So I'm assuming

649
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:48,320
up at the DCI building and we're paying 20,000 a year and a lease because we have law enforcement

650
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:55,500
up there. And my comment about that is the county is providing so much space to everybody,

651
00:56:55,860 --> 00:56:58,300
but it doesn't appear that we're getting a return.

652
00:57:00,420 --> 00:57:03,200
We're giving up pre-space, and yes,

653
00:57:03,220 --> 00:57:08,500
some of the operational costs, but we're getting billed. And on the law enforcement side,

654
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:14,620
that 20,000 for DCI, I'm just going to give an example. So if the state is charging us 20 grand

655
00:57:14,620 --> 00:57:20,540
you know, footprint up at the DCI building, we're giving the state under the state for each program,

656
00:57:20,620 --> 00:57:27,260
the entire Walter Taylor building, had no cost. And so there's other things that we're doing,

657
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:32,580
that we're giving back to the state, but we're not building reciprocally. And so the Walter Taylor

658
00:57:32,580 --> 00:57:37,460
building is one, it's not a county program, it's the state program run under the extension service.

659
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:42,300
And we provide that building, and we're I believe any way we're doing all the maintenance enough

660
00:57:42,300 --> 00:57:45,120
Keep on that at our cost, no shared cost, correct?

661
00:57:48,310 --> 00:57:51,450
Miner shared costs depends on the project.

662
00:57:52,270 --> 00:57:55,150
But for H or the state, I believe,

663
00:57:56,190 --> 00:57:58,390
does have a little bit of room in their budget

664
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:59,950
for minor maintenance costs, but yeah,

665
00:58:00,050 --> 00:58:01,890
the majority of it is by buildings and buildings.

666
00:58:02,490 --> 00:58:04,430
Okay, because in our agreement that we have,

667
00:58:04,450 --> 00:58:07,510
in our agreement with them, it's just a personal cost,

668
00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:09,670
travel, contractual, that type of thing,

669
00:58:09,790 --> 00:58:11,170
I don't see anything in there about.

670
00:58:11,470 --> 00:58:13,990
They've just built a minor, all right.

671
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:16,670
I bought like a budget line item for maintenance, but yeah.

672
00:58:17,010 --> 00:58:19,310
And then go back to the evidence building.

673
00:58:20,410 --> 00:58:24,030
So the evidence building, the PD is not paying for that,

674
00:58:24,030 --> 00:58:25,710
because they're staffing it.

675
00:58:25,810 --> 00:58:28,530
So in return, we're getting them to process or evidence.

676
00:58:29,230 --> 00:58:29,690
Correct.

677
00:58:30,110 --> 00:58:33,330
They do pay operational costs from that building as well, though.

678
00:58:34,070 --> 00:58:34,190
Yep.

679
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:35,230
And then I'll break that down.

680
00:58:35,410 --> 00:58:36,570
Break that out.

681
00:58:37,190 --> 00:58:40,110
And then the state, then, if I were to troll,

682
00:58:40,290 --> 00:58:43,170
is utilizing that evidence building or they paying anything

683
00:58:43,170 --> 00:58:44,850
for operational costs.

684
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:47,860
All right.

685
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,720
So this is, I could go down the list.

686
00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:53,280
But this is what I want to get to to make sure

687
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,140
that the county is getting a reciprocal in kind,

688
00:58:57,540 --> 00:59:00,020
kind of respect financially from these other entities

689
00:59:00,020 --> 00:59:00,980
that we're supporting.

690
00:59:01,660 --> 00:59:03,580
Because we're providing a lot of space.

691
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:05,840
It goes back to the courthouse as well.

692
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:08,020
And in all of these, if you could break out

693
00:59:08,020 --> 00:59:10,760
what the shared square footage is.

694
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,900
And then go back and show that we're providing

695
00:59:13,900 --> 00:59:18,960
this amount of space to all of these other entities, but in return some of these same entities

696
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:25,280
are billing us for shared space. And you know, I would just like to make sure that

697
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,620
Pennington County is getting a fair deal on some of the space that we're providing.

698
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:31,540
Got it.

699
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,060
All right, Mr. Chair.

700
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:34,140
Good.

701
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:34,440
Yeah.

702
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,120
I'm going to close with saying that three or four years ago, five commissioners agreed

703
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,840
to hire BKV for space needs.

704
00:59:42,740 --> 00:59:47,520
We listen to the presentation, their presentation clearly told us at the time that we needed

705
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:48,120
a space.

706
00:59:48,700 --> 00:59:51,420
So in good faith, that's the direction that I went.

707
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:53,700
It wasn't, didn't malice, it wasn't trying to...

708
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,020
For that report. Well, anyhow, I appreciate diving deeper into the weeds, so we can really narrow this

709
01:00:08,020 --> 01:00:13,100
down and see what are actual space needs. I appreciate all the work that you've put in this. I don't think

710
01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:17,960
that's why you came to petting the county. This sit there and do this type of stuff. You came here to

711
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:24,000
fix buildings and maintain our grounds. But anyhow, it's a good discussion. I appreciate it. And at the end

712
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:28,220
of this, I might change my tune. And we don't need that building, but if we saw the building, I hope we

713
01:00:28,220 --> 01:00:31,720
we make a profit that we can offset some of our other projects.

714
01:00:33,300 --> 01:00:35,540
Yeah. Just a couple of quick points before I move on.

715
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:41,700
I think the biggest thing isn't finding the data that was wrong with BKV.

716
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:46,600
It's more or less we had an opportunity to re-valuate our needs after we purchased

717
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:47,920
Concourse and we never did.

718
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:50,440
And I think that was the biggest miss.

719
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:58,100
We continued to go to base it off of the trajectory that BKV had even

720
01:00:58,100 --> 01:01:02,460
after we purchased con course and that's where I think some of these shortcomings came from

721
01:01:02,460 --> 01:01:08,680
to say well we can re-utilize this building in more ways than what we were showing and

722
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:17,300
also RCPD's growth was accounted for in BKV's study. How much admin space they were

723
01:01:17,300 --> 01:01:21,660
giving up to them I do not know I have to go through all that meaning office like square footage

724
01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:27,400
space but I can tell you it's substantial and I think those were the things that could

725
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:32,300
been re-valuated at some point and I hate to be the one to come to the table and say,

726
01:01:32,300 --> 01:01:37,200
you know, we can accommodate that growth, but unless I hear otherwise, we can accommodate

727
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,480
that growth.

728
01:01:43,670 --> 01:01:50,170
I just wanted to, you had it out, this building is a grounds capital improvements, and I appreciate

729
01:01:50,170 --> 01:01:57,990
this in all my years of government or government's public service, whatever, and I think

730
01:01:57,990 --> 01:02:05,590
adds up to roughly around 15 years and to finally realize a dream where we actually rely on the

731
01:02:05,590 --> 01:02:14,930
people that we hire to come forth with the refugees and bring forward a first-class study.

732
01:02:16,890 --> 01:02:24,350
I mean, we are a crowd so I always have this rationale of thinking that some other people,

733
01:02:24,450 --> 01:02:28,170
there are some other persons smarter than the people we actually have hired, which is part of

734
01:02:28,170 --> 01:02:32,130
problems that run into, probably ran into BKV,

735
01:02:32,270 --> 01:02:35,950
ran into the landfill, the questions always came up.

736
01:02:36,150 --> 01:02:37,830
You got front line people doing the jobs,

737
01:02:38,390 --> 01:02:39,830
and they can answer a lot of these questions

738
01:02:39,830 --> 01:02:41,350
within short order, which you've

739
01:02:41,350 --> 01:02:44,470
seemed to have done, appreciate all that hard work.

740
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:47,810
One question I had is on old Ziggy Shop.

741
01:02:49,450 --> 01:02:52,050
That's $120,000 a year that we pay for lease.

742
01:02:52,650 --> 01:02:55,590
Now, when we look at, and we've had this conversation

743
01:02:55,590 --> 01:03:00,070
about a new, but a new building is a ground shop. Would that replace this then?

744
01:03:00,750 --> 01:03:10,530
No, no. That is specific to sheriff's office fleet. That's where they do the repairs on their patrol vehicles.

745
01:03:11,210 --> 01:03:17,390
And it is also a believe storage for sheriff's office and also storage for emergency management as well.

746
01:03:17,930 --> 01:03:19,650
There's quite a few things in that bill.

747
01:03:19,650 --> 01:03:23,770
And then you had it out of buildings that ground capital improvement, you know, looking at

748
01:03:23,770 --> 01:03:29,290
concourse, and we've done a lot of improvements to that, do you know what that number

749
01:03:29,290 --> 01:03:30,190
is right now?

750
01:03:30,310 --> 01:03:36,930
The improvements after we purchased it, after we purchased concourse, the total package with

751
01:03:36,930 --> 01:03:40,330
FFNN everything is going to be between 9 and 10 million that we put into that building.

752
01:03:40,690 --> 01:03:49,630
Okay, and now, within an X2 to 3 years, we're going to have to add a new roof, and we're

753
01:03:49,630 --> 01:03:53,450
side and west side within the next two years for another two million bucks.

754
01:03:53,450 --> 01:03:54,290
It's correct.

755
01:03:54,770 --> 01:03:58,610
And so the only reason we didn't do that is to keep costs down.

756
01:03:58,890 --> 01:03:59,330
Right, right, right.

757
01:03:59,350 --> 01:03:59,730
I get that weak.

758
01:03:59,970 --> 01:04:00,150
But that it would be.

759
01:04:00,150 --> 01:04:05,070
And hopefully if we rearrange some of the stuff we can look at it, one thing that I don't

760
01:04:05,070 --> 01:04:09,750
want to see is a bad roof on a building because obviously that's detrimental to any of the

761
01:04:09,750 --> 01:04:14,710
electronics, any of the equipment that we put inside of it, whatever the personnel that are

762
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:15,050
in there.

763
01:04:15,450 --> 01:04:19,610
So looking at all this and looking at our space needs and wherever we're going to

764
01:04:19,610 --> 01:04:25,750
be and I also agree that we have to address if we're not far above the average employee

765
01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:31,070
per population we need to really have an in-depth conversation about this. I'm not

766
01:04:31,070 --> 01:04:37,310
interested in going outside the people that we have hired to do this what at some point

767
01:04:37,310 --> 01:04:43,590
we need to take a real deep look. We're almost double for FTE per thousand employees that

768
01:04:43,590 --> 01:04:47,890
we have in this county according to these numbers. I mean I do a lot of comparisons with

769
01:04:49,550 --> 01:04:53,410
And I'm not sure, you know, if I'm comparing apples to apples or apples.

770
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:05,680
Looking at, you know, maybe like Mr. Roskin, it would reevaluate in the day. Whatever happened yesterday,

771
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:10,320
I have no control over. I drove to work today. There was a roadblock. I had to drive around the roadblock.

772
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:17,520
I didn't anticipate that. But that's what's going to happen. So I think we have the commission that can

773
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:25,260
can take these these things on. I think that, you know, by the recent changes we've made in, in getting

774
01:05:25,260 --> 01:05:34,340
numbers and information and relying on the people that are doing the jobs to do their jobs and then actually holding them accountable to do their jobs such as

775
01:05:34,780 --> 01:05:41,660
this I think this is in the scope of your your your job. I mean knowing I think that this hadn't been done in the past now

776
01:05:41,660 --> 01:05:43,900
I think we've got a

777
01:05:43,900 --> 01:05:44,600
dynamic

778
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:51,260
You know, these are ground person in place that we can take advantage of and moving forward and looking at this in depth.

779
01:05:52,060 --> 01:05:55,360
So I'll appreciate all the hard work you put into this and I'll come in.

780
01:05:55,500 --> 01:05:57,440
Yeah, just to follow up on your comment.

781
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:07,160
So getting back to the least space with all the properties that County has, I don't want to see is paying least on top of this square footage we have.

782
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:12,240
So I know it's not popular to look for another location for the 24 or seven program.

783
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:16,260
but I think as we look down the road,

784
01:06:17,100 --> 01:06:19,600
try to find an alternative location with the sheriff,

785
01:06:20,140 --> 01:06:22,280
and I know in conversations with the sheriff,

786
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:27,620
it's been moved multiple times to different locations.

787
01:06:29,060 --> 01:06:31,340
But with all the square footage we have,

788
01:06:31,820 --> 01:06:33,640
and this goes back to kind of my point,

789
01:06:35,080 --> 01:06:37,040
that we're giving away a lot of square footage

790
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:40,040
in my opinion, not getting a return on that investment,

791
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:47,020
and on top of that, we're outside leasing space and so the scale is tipped and it's not in our favor.

792
01:06:47,980 --> 01:06:53,800
And the other one getting back to your point about the Ziggy Shop at 112,000 a year, I mean,

793
01:06:54,300 --> 01:06:57,700
it kind of briefly got talked about during a budget process,

794
01:06:58,620 --> 01:07:02,180
but it was looking at getting a building out of the highway shop

795
01:07:02,180 --> 01:07:06,900
that maybe could be shared by the sheriff and by the highway department

796
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:11,700
And getting into there were some discussions about getting a location and we could do some

797
01:07:11,700 --> 01:07:14,300
fleet management and some shared costs throughout the organization.

798
01:07:15,620 --> 01:07:20,660
And so I know that that's on the sheriff's radar and we superintendents radar to get rid

799
01:07:20,660 --> 01:07:29,760
of this lease and it wouldn't take long to put up a building out at the highway department

800
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,680
and save that cost over time.

801
01:07:32,420 --> 01:07:33,380
And better operational.

802
01:07:33,380 --> 01:07:40,380
So, yeah, and I, that is part of sort of the conceptual plan is we are including that.

803
01:07:41,740 --> 01:07:47,040
Potentially getting rid of, eventually getting rid of the Ziggy's building and moving it to the highway department.

804
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,000
So, I'm, I'm having talk with Joe and the sheriff on that.

805
01:07:50,780 --> 01:07:50,940
All right.

806
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:52,740
Commissioner Hacau.

807
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:53,440
We've heard.

808
01:07:54,440 --> 01:07:57,100
What is, what are we thinking?

809
01:07:57,100 --> 01:08:04,120
And we need to do to make this plan or this feature plan work.

810
01:08:04,220 --> 01:08:10,660
I mean, we need motions for you to be able to do your job and move it forward in different

811
01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:13,360
areas, or I see you have some on here.

812
01:08:13,660 --> 01:08:16,940
But is that still what you're thinking is to-

813
01:08:16,940 --> 01:08:17,400
It is.

814
01:08:17,580 --> 01:08:21,980
And if I can continue, I'll touch that sort of at the last point.

815
01:08:22,180 --> 01:08:22,940
Continue, please.

816
01:08:22,940 --> 01:08:30,560
Okay, so this one is just a conceptual consolidation memo talking about the bank and the Harley

817
01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:36,200
building and wood shop spaces and I will show an aerial view of those here and a bit.

818
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:46,260
So we purchased the bank in 2023 for, well, the building itself was 443,000 and then we

819
01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:51,340
purchased two adjacent lots, one was on first street and one was on Kansas City Street and

820
01:08:51,340 --> 01:08:55,500
those were purchased for $557,000 bringing the total to $5 million.

821
01:08:56,740 --> 01:09:00,820
So I broke it out here, you can see the purchase price, you can see the square footage,

822
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:06,260
price per square foot, that it was purchased for a remodel investment was $965, and then you

823
01:09:06,260 --> 01:09:07,680
can see our total building investment.

824
01:09:10,100 --> 01:09:15,700
I'm not in the real estate market, but I'm confident to say I think we could come out

825
01:09:15,700 --> 01:09:18,540
OK on this, we'll have to see what the market looks like.

826
01:09:19,860 --> 01:09:25,100
So, I'm going to talk more about this consolidation stuff coming up here, but we have had

827
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:30,460
Elevate Rapid City and South Dakota School of Mines reach out to me with heavy, heavy

828
01:09:30,460 --> 01:09:32,040
interest on the bank building.

829
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:38,540
The Harley building and wood shop, metal shop, again, market interest in downtown potential.

830
01:09:39,420 --> 01:09:45,720
There's a lot of local business development happening down there and there's strong interest

831
01:09:45,720 --> 01:09:47,500
in those lots as well.

832
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:53,120
This is just, I'm not going to go over this, but this is a letter from Tom Johnson and Ella.

833
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:06,700
We're talking about how they're innovative district. They're looking to expand. And again, that's

834
01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:12,120
part of potentially the opportunity with the bank and even the hardly building wood shop lots.

835
01:10:15,340 --> 01:10:20,360
So again, I urge you guys to read these on your own time, so I don't take up too much time here.

836
01:10:20,780 --> 01:10:27,240
But this is what I'm going to go through now is the floor plans at the county administration building to show if

837
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:32,140
or it's contingent on the bank building being sold or those departments moving over.

838
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,460
So we'll just get into it right away.

839
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,040
And again, before I start there is some remodel cost in here,

840
01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:41,880
but nothing that we can't handle.

841
01:10:43,460 --> 01:10:45,340
So this is the ground level.

842
01:10:45,340 --> 01:10:46,260
This is where we are at.

843
01:10:46,440 --> 01:10:48,300
Now we are actually in this room here.

844
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,540
The multi-purpose room that I labeled it.

845
01:10:50,540 --> 01:10:52,140
This is the commission chambers.

846
01:10:53,340 --> 01:10:57,020
This is the office space just to my right.

847
01:10:57,020 --> 01:11:02,620
is currently just vacant there I shouldn't have said there's no current plan for this space I mean there is

848
01:11:02,980 --> 01:11:08,680
This room can be used for grand jury. It can be used lots of multipurpose right grand jury use. It can be

849
01:11:09,460 --> 01:11:14,720
Departmental training large department meetings things like that. We have all the AV set up in here

850
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:19,760
So again, there's no remodel plans in here other than maybe adding a few doors

851
01:11:21,200 --> 01:11:22,960
Here you have

852
01:11:23,900 --> 01:11:24,940
911 dispatch

853
01:11:25,680 --> 01:11:30,440
So, they are going to occupy some of this space here right now.

854
01:11:30,580 --> 01:11:32,820
They kind of are like right in here.

855
01:11:33,500 --> 01:11:35,460
So, we're giving them a little more admin space.

856
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:39,520
We're expanding their dispatch room to give them growth.

857
01:11:39,900 --> 01:11:43,700
And also, when I spoke to Kevin about his dispatch centers,

858
01:11:43,700 --> 01:11:49,500
I believe his dispatch call center stations are almost reducing

859
01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:54,060
by half the size, so he can fit more dispatchers in this room,

860
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:56,540
which accounts for some long term growth.

861
01:11:57,640 --> 01:11:59,160
Emergency management is up here.

862
01:11:59,260 --> 01:12:01,300
They're going to maintain their space up here.

863
01:12:01,460 --> 01:12:05,320
They have space to hire an additional employee as well

864
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:09,980
as potentially build out one more office for a long, long term

865
01:12:09,980 --> 01:12:10,680
future employee.

866
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:12,660
This is the EOC space.

867
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:16,200
This is just going to maintain as the EOC space

868
01:12:16,200 --> 01:12:18,400
where consolidating some of the storage,

869
01:12:18,860 --> 01:12:20,260
moving it up here.

870
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:23,060
And then this is, I hatched out these are the departments

871
01:12:23,060 --> 01:12:25,560
that are moving into this space is the hatch lines.

872
01:12:26,100 --> 01:12:29,560
So B&G would occupy down where IT is.

873
01:12:30,020 --> 01:12:33,140
And then IT would hold a small footprint here

874
01:12:33,140 --> 01:12:36,260
with a few offices in the server room.

875
01:12:37,060 --> 01:12:40,620
Fire admin would be where HR is right now.

876
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,380
They need a space for their PPE equipment

877
01:12:45,380 --> 01:12:48,560
to be rinsed off after it's been exposed

878
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:49,960
to smoke and other things.

879
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:55,020
And there is already plumbing in this area here, so this reconfiguration is fairly simple.

880
01:12:55,640 --> 01:13:01,680
Building support spaces is water heaters, loading dock, com rooms, electrical rooms,

881
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,100
mechanical rooms down here.

882
01:13:03,260 --> 01:13:05,180
So if this cannot be built out to offices,

883
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:09,860
I'll just keep moving into you guys stop me.

884
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,980
So what I'm going to do is I'm going to come back to second floor.

885
01:13:13,400 --> 01:13:16,960
I'm just going to, because it's a little easier if I work from the top now now.

886
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:24,020
So we have states attorneys is currently up on 4th floor, they occupy this area, they also occupy

887
01:13:24,020 --> 01:13:30,380
this area and they have a few straggler offices over here in the public old public defender space.

888
01:13:30,540 --> 01:13:35,740
So the majority of this space is empty right now and so this is where the public defender

889
01:13:35,740 --> 01:13:46,940
is moved out of. The plan is right now to move them back into this space and over here where I

890
01:13:46,940 --> 01:13:54,600
expanded into or even part of a conceptual plan, we can add up to eight offices just in that mechanical space alone

891
01:13:54,600 --> 01:14:01,480
and it's ready for expansion. I mean, it's got poured concrete floors, all it needs is ceiling walls and carpet and you're ready to go.

892
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:14,880
So this gives them almost 2,000 more square feet than what they had, currently up there, and then, if we go down a second floor, this one gets confusing here a little bit, so hang with me.

893
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:21,960
This is some future growth space for public defenders, so this is where the treasure is is now when you come in the main doors

894
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:29,540
You go down here. This is the treasures counter so that counter sinks back into this space. That up that would all be tore out the wall would be brought out here

895
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:37,280
We would have public defenders here. There's elevator access and stairs so they can get from floor to floor very easily for their staff

896
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,880
And then if we move over here. This is where planning and zoning is

897
01:14:42,780 --> 01:14:44,640
This is where equalization is

898
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:53,360
States authorities would essentially if you see they're just stacked on top of each other for three floors and this gives them quite a bit of growth for the future here as well

899
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:59,980
These blue spaces are what I'm calling vacant right now. This is where

900
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,500
You can see this square footage is roughly 9,000. We're still working through bits and pieces of this.

901
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:15,780
I'm working with my project manager to throw some files up and move some walls and add some offices and figure out how we can best utilize this space.

902
01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:23,500
So essentially, the parking lot out front that the public is used to using can continue to be used for a public corridor.

903
01:15:23,500 --> 01:15:28,820
I mean, a public parking space, and then we maintain this public corridor in here, public

904
01:15:28,820 --> 01:15:35,800
restrooms, so a lot less remodel work goes into this than what was currently conceptualized.

905
01:15:36,380 --> 01:15:37,720
We can't afford to do that.

906
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:38,420
Well, we can't afford to do that.

907
01:15:38,420 --> 01:15:39,120
We can't afford to do that.

908
01:15:39,120 --> 01:15:39,520
We can't afford to do that.

909
01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:39,980
Sorry, Chair.

910
01:15:40,100 --> 01:15:40,740
Not a question.

911
01:15:41,560 --> 01:15:47,620
So, in B&G, the 4,231 is that with expansion of offices or anything, where would you

912
01:15:47,620 --> 01:15:47,920
expand?

913
01:15:48,220 --> 01:15:50,660
So, B&G, we don't...

914
01:15:50,660 --> 01:15:58,440
I don't really need for admin growth, meaning offices, or administrative support, FTEs.

915
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,480
So we'll have more than enough office space in here.

916
01:16:01,660 --> 01:16:06,080
This big room back here becomes our tech break room and they're sort of where they clock

917
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:07,760
in and out where they can hang out.

918
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:12,400
So this pretty much gives B&G admin space forever.

919
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,320
So basically 4,000 for admin and then you're going to need that's what we're seeing.

920
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:19,140
And then the additional space would be like shop.

921
01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:24,920
Yeah, would be square-footed, feet, and probably 20 to 20 to 30,000 square feet.

922
01:16:25,060 --> 01:16:26,520
And I'll go over that towards the end here.

923
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:27,240
You'll see it.

924
01:16:27,900 --> 01:16:29,020
Four just the shop.

925
01:16:29,620 --> 01:16:29,660
Okay.

926
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:36,120
And then the public defender you have basically 14,000 is that for expansion as well

927
01:16:36,120 --> 01:16:38,460
because you've got, basically, 37.

928
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:46,300
They, well, so this plan increases their space by about 5,000 square feet.

929
01:16:46,900 --> 01:16:50,820
This plane does, but not from the bank, from this building.

930
01:16:51,140 --> 01:16:53,080
So how much square feet do they have the bank right now?

931
01:16:53,320 --> 01:16:58,000
They have 19 to 21,000.

932
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:03,400
Okay, so then with that they would have basically 15,000.

933
01:17:04,680 --> 01:17:06,200
And they still have room to expand.

934
01:17:07,340 --> 01:17:14,100
This gives them up to 55 total spaces, which again, when I talked to Eric,

935
01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:20,240
that was kind of the number that he threw out at me for what, you know, long-term growth.

936
01:17:20,860 --> 01:17:27,240
So basically, the admin space for you, plus them, would be about 18, let's just say 20.

937
01:17:27,740 --> 01:17:33,540
And then you'd have 20,000 that you really didn't need more office space, you needed more space

938
01:17:33,540 --> 01:17:35,060
to put equipment.

939
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:35,520
Correct.

940
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:36,200
Okay.

941
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:37,700
Mr. Chair.

942
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:38,560
Commissioner.

943
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:43,580
Can you go to the Edman 3rd floor public defender?

944
01:17:45,240 --> 01:17:48,040
So there's 10,000 44 square feet.

945
01:17:48,400 --> 01:17:50,520
What's currently in that space right now?

946
01:17:51,320 --> 01:17:52,460
How much square feet currently?

947
01:17:52,980 --> 01:17:58,620
No, I just wondered, well, there's only a few states of turnies offices in here because they

948
01:17:58,620 --> 01:18:03,360
were outgrowing their space on 3rd and 4th floor, so we moved some of them over here.

949
01:18:03,740 --> 01:18:06,720
So that entire 10,000 square feet would be available?

950
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:13,040
Oh, yeah, because so these, these people, the state's attorneys offices would either move back into

951
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:19,440
34th floor or they would go down to the new space, however, Laura, Laura, Davies up her staff there.

952
01:18:19,900 --> 01:18:22,820
So, but yes, this entire space would be public defender only.

953
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:34,120
So, then right now, they've got 36 employees, and that'd be about 10,000 or 13,700 square feet, so that'd be about

954
01:18:34,940 --> 01:18:45,800
380 square feet per employee at direct because that takes into public waiting spaces. It also takes into one-on-one interview rooms and things like that that they utilize for their

955
01:18:46,220 --> 01:18:56,440
I juveniles or other clients that they bring in and that aligns with that 300 square foot that we're trying to actually for target. Yes, correct. Yep

956
01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:57,400
Yep

957
01:18:57,400 --> 01:19:02,060
I guess what the commissioners need to do is we need to go to each one of these powers and physically

958
01:19:02,060 --> 01:19:08,400
Look at it. Sure. Understand, you know, the space that's in this building that's probably being

959
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:13,320
underutilized. Yeah, no, it is. And we can do that any time.

960
01:19:13,320 --> 01:19:21,600
I'm most good. So, now, any questions about the current admin building, any questions here?

961
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:29,220
Okay. PSB, I'm not going to go over this memo in great detail, but this gives you a real breakdown of

962
01:19:29,220 --> 01:19:32,220
everything I'm going to be talking about here.

963
01:19:33,380 --> 01:19:34,360
Can I interrupt you for a second?

964
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,760
I had a thought and I was talking to the IT department.

965
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:45,540
I mean, I'm assuming you've had several conversations with them because obviously they've got systems here.

966
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:48,960
They will maintain a footprint here.

967
01:19:49,340 --> 01:19:50,340
Is that going to happen?

968
01:20:02,140 --> 01:20:07,700
There's only a hundred employees moving out to cab and they're still 750 down here.

969
01:20:08,300 --> 01:20:12,040
So they'll be both places. And I've talked to Mike about this.

970
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:12,720
Yep.

971
01:20:16,900 --> 01:20:21,960
Yeah. We've got some more discussions to have, but he definitely wants a few officers,

972
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:34,140
maintain here and we're going to be the case with it yeah okay okay so public defender space this

973
01:20:34,140 --> 01:20:41,460
is the basement so you're going to see over here I got these tabs blue is Sheriff's office green

974
01:20:41,460 --> 01:20:48,100
is RCPD red is shared so you can see every space down here outside of I believe this is a storage room

975
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:52,120
is RCPD is green or the shared space.

976
01:20:52,140 --> 01:20:55,240
This is a gun range, believe these are lockers.

977
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:59,660
I'm not quite sure and I believe this is like a briefing room here.

978
01:21:00,660 --> 01:21:06,460
But so the majority, well at least half of the space down here is RCPD.

979
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:08,960
The rest of this is all energy plant.

980
01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:17,120
And then this is where RCPD's patrol is because there is underground parking underneath the courthouse for their vehicles.

981
01:21:18,540 --> 01:21:25,940
And there's no, okay, so has our CPD been in conversation with you or just basically you go

982
01:21:25,940 --> 01:21:26,840
to Brian on that?

983
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:31,980
I had roughly two hour meeting with him a few months back to talk to him about this and I straight

984
01:21:31,980 --> 01:21:37,020
up kind of told him, you know, the conceptual plan that you guys probably are thinking is going

985
01:21:37,020 --> 01:21:42,440
to happen is most likely not going to happen, because I really don't want to get into the

986
01:21:42,440 --> 01:21:50,400
on this yet, but this building was actually going to be the new public safety building.

987
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:54,300
We've got one point, but that's not really the path we're going to be going on.

988
01:21:54,460 --> 01:22:02,920
They've refused to enter the city, a verb city, changed that perspective some time ago.

989
01:22:04,120 --> 01:22:09,000
I know that they're going to a precinct type organization, and that's probably a good idea.

990
01:22:09,000 --> 01:22:24,100
That's what I heard is that they're hoping to branch out at precincts, but I know the relationship that our CPD and the sheriff's office have at the public safety building allows for them to have less employees because they're able to communicate and be in the same building.

991
01:22:24,660 --> 01:22:33,220
So hopefully we can maintain that while stretching, you know, that was another department that don't need to be in contact every day with the sheriff's office.

992
01:22:33,220 --> 01:22:41,240
That's what I was going to say, because I know the sheriff and the chief out of a very unique relationship when it comes to sheriff and police departments work.

993
01:22:41,380 --> 01:22:43,960
You know, happy that we get to share in that relationship.

994
01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:44,680
Yep.

995
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:51,400
I agree. I think it does a lot of good. So we need to maintain it. But we also got to understand that the county cannot, right?

996
01:22:51,740 --> 01:22:52,340
No, I get it.

997
01:22:52,580 --> 01:22:53,540
Yeah, consume their growth.

998
01:22:54,780 --> 01:23:01,800
So you'll see it's all broken down up here. Again, I labeled who is down here in these offices.

999
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:09,380
So this is the old original jail way, way back in the day jail, so this has Sheriff's office

1000
01:23:09,380 --> 01:23:15,840
personnel in it and then this vacated space, potentially vacated space yellow is what

1001
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,300
would be moving over to the county admin building.

1002
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:23,340
So this is records, sorry, this is civil and warrants.

1003
01:23:24,420 --> 01:23:30,020
So the other half of this floor is pretty much all occupied by Sheriff's office outside of

1004
01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:32,580
RCPD employee.

1005
01:23:34,970 --> 01:23:39,850
Second floor, again, it's kind of looks like the game Twister now that I'm looking at it,

1006
01:23:39,850 --> 01:23:46,890
but this has, it's broken up all over the place, but what I would emphasize here is this

1007
01:23:46,890 --> 01:23:52,210
is the records, people group, the yellow group, that would potentially be moving over.

1008
01:23:52,790 --> 01:23:58,570
So just to recap, yellow would be potentially vacated and moved over to the county admin building

1009
01:23:58,570 --> 01:24:00,730
into those spaces that I showed were vacant.

1010
01:24:02,170 --> 01:24:04,250
And then you can see the red spaces shared,

1011
01:24:04,250 --> 01:24:08,850
blue space is a share of softest and green spaces RCPD.

1012
01:24:09,190 --> 01:24:11,410
So it's a Divid up pretty equally there.

1013
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:14,070
Again, Divid up pretty equally here again.

1014
01:24:15,070 --> 01:24:18,750
On this floor, third floor, you have RCPD investigations

1015
01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:20,510
and share of softest investigations.

1016
01:24:20,970 --> 01:24:24,010
So I know there's a lot of communication

1017
01:24:24,010 --> 01:24:26,350
and inner workings that happen here

1018
01:24:26,350 --> 01:24:27,630
that I think need to be maintained.

1019
01:24:27,630 --> 01:24:30,490
But again, those conversations need to come later.

1020
01:24:31,330 --> 01:24:33,290
And then the fourth floor, this is the chiefs and admin.

1021
01:24:33,570 --> 01:24:36,470
So this is, you know, we're sheriff, we're chief of places,

1022
01:24:36,730 --> 01:24:40,030
and then all of their admin personnel, and things like that.

1023
01:24:40,050 --> 01:24:41,750
So you can see that space is divvied up.

1024
01:24:42,010 --> 01:24:46,330
So really, right now there's not a lot of plans for fourth and third floor.

1025
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:51,970
As you get down here, you know, what we need to try to do is really,

1026
01:24:52,330 --> 01:24:56,690
if we do vacate some of these spaces at PSP and here in the yellow,

1027
01:24:57,150 --> 01:24:58,230
We need to be fruit.

1028
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:04,380
Before we open it up to RCPD to make sure we're accounting for our growth.

1029
01:25:07,470 --> 01:25:16,110
So I attach these aerial views, and this is sort of my long shot here at future B&G building.

1030
01:25:16,750 --> 01:25:20,870
So these are the two lots right here. You can kind of see the lot line right here that I left open.

1031
01:25:21,870 --> 01:25:27,250
We purchased both of these lots with the bank building. The bank building is right up here in the corner.

1032
01:25:29,310 --> 01:25:34,430
there was a first street lot and a Kansas City street lot is how they had it.

1033
01:25:34,710 --> 01:25:36,870
That's how what I looked on the sale purchase agreement.

1034
01:25:38,370 --> 01:25:39,230
This is lamp lighter.

1035
01:25:39,830 --> 01:25:42,490
We purchased this is one but this is actually two tax parcels.

1036
01:25:42,670 --> 01:25:43,390
So this wrecked.

1037
01:25:43,450 --> 01:25:46,270
These were both bought by the county with that purchase.

1038
01:25:47,750 --> 01:25:48,870
As far as I know in the lead,

1039
01:25:49,090 --> 01:25:50,070
the lamp lighter was bought separately.

1040
01:25:50,770 --> 01:25:54,670
Was that lamp lighter a lot was about the hotel for one five.

1041
01:25:54,670 --> 01:25:59,890
But these two lots are two separate lots because they have it on the lead on the purchase

1042
01:25:59,890 --> 01:26:06,350
and the red. What's that? You're talking in the future building in ground. So those are

1043
01:26:06,350 --> 01:26:10,790
two lots. Two lots correct. Yeah, yeah, okay. I thought you're talking with the yellow on the red.

1044
01:26:10,810 --> 01:26:16,290
Oh, no, sorry about that. Yeah, these two were these two lots right here were purchased with with the bank purchase.

1045
01:26:16,470 --> 01:26:22,290
So obviously we would hold onto these whether we purchase the bank or not or I mean sorry sell the bank or not.

1046
01:26:22,290 --> 01:26:26,730
But this is where future B&G building could potentially go.

1047
01:26:26,950 --> 01:26:27,270
It's flat.

1048
01:26:27,290 --> 01:26:28,850
It's ready to be built on.

1049
01:26:29,410 --> 01:26:32,590
I believe we could do it relatively cheap.

1050
01:26:33,610 --> 01:26:37,930
But again, we probably have to match some of the facade downtown.

1051
01:26:38,150 --> 01:26:40,130
It's not like I can just build a big metal building there.

1052
01:26:40,490 --> 01:26:46,730
Now, what could come into play here is we could have space above the shop for admin space.

1053
01:26:46,730 --> 01:26:54,750
Meaning we could eventually take RB and G group and just move them out of cab completely, which opens well.

1054
01:26:55,670 --> 01:26:59,490
If we move from the bank over to cab, we can move out of cab into this building.

1055
01:26:59,830 --> 01:27:06,930
That frees up even more space for most likely state attorneys or public defenders as the, and we'll see what happens there.

1056
01:27:07,410 --> 01:27:10,830
I highlighted this middle section, we need to vacate this alley.

1057
01:27:11,310 --> 01:27:14,990
We become responsible for the utilities in that space, but I don't know if there are any.

1058
01:27:14,990 --> 01:27:19,870
there are some, they'll probably bury some of these power lines, so they'll be some utility work there

1059
01:27:19,870 --> 01:27:24,970
if we do vacate this but then this could expand out even more. And I think really, we call this the

1060
01:27:24,970 --> 01:27:29,690
lamplighter, a lot. There you spin old lamplighter hotel here, that was demoed when we bought it.

1061
01:27:30,450 --> 01:27:34,910
I think this needs to be a parking lot for the county admin building because currently there isn't

1062
01:27:34,910 --> 01:27:42,750
enough parking really anywhere. And this is actually on my large scale project capital project list

1063
01:27:42,750 --> 01:27:49,690
to build this out at some point and I'll be in a rupee on that so it would be like a public parking lot to our

1064
01:27:49,690 --> 01:27:57,610
Well, it would be it would be for staff during the days and you know, I mean, I don't it doesn't we could it doesn't necessarily need to be a public parking lot

1065
01:27:57,610 --> 01:27:58,730
No, no

1066
01:27:58,730 --> 01:28:05,930
We could sign it so it's it's only authorized for county employees. I didn't know what with the need this need is mainly for employees

1067
01:28:05,930 --> 01:28:08,450
We if you look over here at these empty lots

1068
01:28:08,450 --> 01:28:10,350
You'll see cars scattered throughout here

1069
01:28:10,830 --> 01:28:14,990
on a big piece of people going up to concourse.

1070
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:19,530
We are, but we're still going to have a big footprint down here.

1071
01:28:20,350 --> 01:28:24,010
So, and again, if B&G and the public defenders move over,

1072
01:28:25,130 --> 01:28:29,870
who some of the public defenders I believe utilize this lot right now,

1073
01:28:30,290 --> 01:28:32,430
but they're parked over here, we're parked over here,

1074
01:28:32,450 --> 01:28:35,870
so a lot of us are going to be parking here in the future.

1075
01:28:36,710 --> 01:28:39,010
So, because we're over here across the street at the bank building.

1076
01:28:39,730 --> 01:28:46,330
And I think turning it into a parking lot just makes sense for even shorter long-term, it wouldn't cost too much.

1077
01:28:47,150 --> 01:28:53,290
And we could always build this out eventually, but right now it's just a big, there are apps that people just park all over it.

1078
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:58,990
So, Davis, not really a question, but then I added up your space.

1079
01:28:59,250 --> 01:29:07,730
So you have 1.8 commission office, square footage, 9.1, vacant second floor with nothing in it right now.

1080
01:29:07,730 --> 01:29:19,010
You have 3rd floor with 3,700 square feet, you have 3rd floor, 10,700 for states attorney.

1081
01:29:22,020 --> 01:29:29,340
So if you add those together with your B&G at 4.4, you get 29,000 square feet that's been

1082
01:29:29,340 --> 01:29:34,860
vacant in this building because where else were we going to put public defender in the

1083
01:29:34,860 --> 01:29:35,240
other ones?

1084
01:29:35,480 --> 01:29:36,840
That was vacant space.

1085
01:29:36,840 --> 01:29:53,560
So, on the second floor, you had 9,000 square feet open, you had another 1,800 square foot vacant opening commission office, and we could have used if we didn't want to use a multi-purpose room, we still would have had 1,800 square feet.

1086
01:29:54,740 --> 01:29:56,000
That almost is about...

1087
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,460
Further, the bank is across the street without spending any more money. So that's what kind

1088
01:30:06,460 --> 01:30:10,960
of was driving me nuts when I was seeing the BKV stuff, because I wasn't getting how much

1089
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:16,140
a vacant space they had and I don't think any commissioners were or they didn't want to

1090
01:30:16,140 --> 01:30:21,020
know. I don't know. I don't know at this point. But just watching these plans is driving me

1091
01:30:21,020 --> 01:30:26,880
absolutely nuts thinking that we had all this space already. And then we could have just put

1092
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:32,980
be in G building across the street or at the lamplight or even.

1093
01:30:34,020 --> 01:30:35,480
So I'll just tell you up straight.

1094
01:30:35,700 --> 01:30:39,860
I know we're not supposed to know the way about the past, but that's kind of where Mike

1095
01:30:39,860 --> 01:30:45,500
why I didn't want the bank because he already had conceptual plans and yes, I do still have

1096
01:30:45,500 --> 01:30:46,200
those plans.

1097
01:30:47,000 --> 01:30:53,060
But that's 29,000 utilized space that could have been used without buying something else.

1098
01:30:54,300 --> 01:31:00,420
That's crazy to me at this point once seeing this and still having enough room with concourse

1099
01:31:00,420 --> 01:31:05,860
in this to expand for the future based on the square footage, even if you, and even

1100
01:31:05,860 --> 01:31:11,740
said it, it's 380 square feet for public defender and the average is 2 to 300.

1101
01:31:13,240 --> 01:31:17,500
Just food for that for people that are watching this at this point.

1102
01:31:18,140 --> 01:31:18,560
Thank you.

1103
01:31:20,460 --> 01:31:24,520
Yes, I think we got someone who is Gary bringing in from the ceiling.

1104
01:31:27,380 --> 01:31:29,980
Yeah, the former Mr. News.

1105
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:30,900
Thank you.

1106
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:36,960
One thing that has been brought up, but we keep forgetting, is the fact that when we were

1107
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:42,780
doing this planning back at that time, we was considering the current administration world

1108
01:31:42,780 --> 01:31:49,840
It was going to be basically filled with people from the public safety building and that is

1109
01:31:49,840 --> 01:31:55,340
the big thing that changed when the city arrived at city, you said it not to move forward

1110
01:31:55,340 --> 01:31:56,960
with us.

1111
01:31:57,360 --> 01:32:02,180
I'll just add and I'll keep my comment short, but I think that I agree with Commissioner

1112
01:32:02,180 --> 01:32:09,140
Dura completely relative to that if we have available space, we shouldn't be leasing space

1113
01:32:09,140 --> 01:32:16,900
for anything else, including the 24-7, we should be able to accommodate that program into

1114
01:32:16,900 --> 01:32:19,380
our existing space.

1115
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:25,620
I also know very interested in the answers to all of the Commissioner's questions.

1116
01:32:25,620 --> 01:32:29,140
I think they were very relevant questions throughout.

1117
01:32:30,300 --> 01:32:37,280
And I, again, agree with Commissioner Roskin-Act, the purpose of originally broad, and

1118
01:32:37,280 --> 01:32:44,340
I'm not sure there's any blame to be spread that maybe we ended up with more space if we was

1119
01:32:44,340 --> 01:32:51,560
being initially planning on, but a lot of that had to do with the public safety building that building

1120
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:54,520
for us as we thought would look.

1121
01:32:54,980 --> 01:33:02,000
Now, as far as a place for buildings and grounds, I don't favor building a, essentially,

1122
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:10,980
a shop or a construction building, climb up, bake up lots and we have, I think there's other

1123
01:33:10,980 --> 01:33:15,900
space even out by conglars that something could be built and yeah, maybe it's a little

1124
01:33:15,900 --> 01:33:21,880
bit of inconvenience as far as some of the work was done, but the space is now available.

1125
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:29,340
Why would we build a new building downtown, as a lesser of it, what all the other buildings

1126
01:33:29,340 --> 01:33:32,380
It's very a value of gain.

1127
01:33:33,120 --> 01:33:35,820
Those are my colleagues saying, I think it was a good

1128
01:33:35,820 --> 01:33:36,840
to agree on the floor.

1129
01:33:37,660 --> 01:33:39,920
Yeah, just going to have a comment based on what

1130
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,760
Commissioner Drew said that I would, I would,

1131
01:33:42,760 --> 01:33:45,600
I'm going to echo I'm not in favor of building more buildings,

1132
01:33:46,140 --> 01:33:48,760
but that's a point of discussion down the road,

1133
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,320
because we have those vacant lots and we're talking about

1134
01:33:51,320 --> 01:33:54,800
if you read elevates innovative district and looking

1135
01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:57,400
at getting rid of some of those buildings for a repurpose.

1136
01:33:57,400 --> 01:34:03,540
And if we were to build, I just don't believe that's the location, but that's a point of discussion.

1137
01:34:04,200 --> 01:34:07,300
So I'm ready to make a couple of motions here, let's go for it.

1138
01:34:07,540 --> 01:34:15,760
So I'm going to make a motion to direct staff to begin exploring a plan for the potential sale of county owned building located at 14 San Jose Street.

1139
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:16,040
Second.

1140
01:34:16,860 --> 01:34:18,160
Well, motion from dirt.

1141
01:34:18,660 --> 01:34:20,300
Second from adcott.

1142
01:34:20,660 --> 01:34:22,160
All in favor say aye.

1143
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:23,900
Opposed.

1144
01:34:24,200 --> 01:34:24,600
Same sign.

1145
01:34:25,680 --> 01:34:26,080
Here he is.

1146
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:39,100
Motion carries. Second motion, motion to direct staff to evaluate operational needs and begin exploring a plan for the potential sale of county owned properties located at 516 4th Street.

1147
01:34:39,700 --> 01:34:45,680
The buildings and ground shop, 517-3rd Street and any other county owned lots adjacent to these properties.

1148
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:52,680
motion from door and second by HACOT. All in favor say hi.

1149
01:34:53,700 --> 01:34:59,920
Opposed same sign, hearing bird motion carries, bird motion, motion to move forward with the assessment.

1150
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:07,200
And as presented in author, I staffed to begin exploring a phased plan of a remodel of the county administration building known as cab.

1151
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:08,140
Thank you.

1152
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:13,280
I have a motion from dirt, second from ad-cooking, any discussion? All the favor say aye.

1153
01:35:14,500 --> 01:35:14,700
Aye.

1154
01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:15,980
Opposed.

1155
01:35:16,260 --> 01:35:16,840
Same sign.

1156
01:35:17,740 --> 01:35:18,320
Hearing none.

1157
01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:19,320
Motion carries.

1158
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:22,340
And that, thank you, Mr. Purcell.

1159
01:35:22,680 --> 01:35:23,240
For your.

1160
01:35:23,760 --> 01:35:24,980
Mr. Chair, I got one question.

1161
01:35:24,980 --> 01:35:25,940
Yep, Mr. Roskin.

1162
01:35:26,420 --> 01:35:26,860
Yes, question.

1163
01:35:26,860 --> 01:35:32,020
The lamplighter light in that 20,000 square foot lot that we got with the purchase of 14 St. Joe.

1164
01:35:32,080 --> 01:35:40,080
Can you tell me what that area is owned and what the parking requirements are for, let's just say, for every 1,000 square feet of office to do for this.

1165
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:47,020
If it's central business district, we don't need the worry about parking, but if we did build a building there, we would have to,

1166
01:35:47,260 --> 01:35:50,460
let's five parking spots for every 1,000 square feet of office.

1167
01:35:52,520 --> 01:35:55,820
I think that's something that was brought up that we can further dismiss.

1168
01:35:56,220 --> 01:35:58,160
Yeah, just follow up. So Davis.

1169
01:35:59,500 --> 01:36:04,780
This is what I mean again, I know all commissioners have asked questions of you and you've talked to

1170
01:36:04,780 --> 01:36:10,680
a siege individually and collectively, you know, on the public meetings about this, but I'm just going to echo what

1171
01:36:10,680 --> 01:36:16,920
our chairman had to say and you did a great job putting this together because I said I couldn't make any decisions

1172
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,600
without having the information and you provided that.

1173
01:36:19,600 --> 01:36:22,000
So I appreciate it.

1174
01:36:22,140 --> 01:36:23,020
Yeah, thank you.

1175
01:36:23,040 --> 01:36:23,260
Dear.

1176
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:24,340
Commissioner.

1177
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:25,700
That caught the floor.

1178
01:36:26,200 --> 01:36:26,940
I'm going to be up straight.

1179
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:31,060
Long time come to have a transparent to us.

1180
01:36:31,420 --> 01:36:33,360
About the needs and not the wants of the county.

1181
01:36:34,440 --> 01:36:36,720
And again, I'm all in favor of building grounds.

1182
01:36:36,920 --> 01:36:39,780
They've been waiting since I've been here, which is 11 years or more.

1183
01:36:40,340 --> 01:36:42,800
For a building for themselves, and now they're going to go in a building.

1184
01:36:44,100 --> 01:36:45,600
That's already, it's not a new building.

1185
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:52,600
It's this building which Mr. Davis has never complained once since he said, I don't mind moving over there.

1186
01:36:54,300 --> 01:36:56,840
Bottom line is, I'll keep saying.

1187
01:36:57,380 --> 01:36:59,460
Thank you, Mr. Davis. She brought forth the needs.

1188
01:36:59,580 --> 01:37:02,940
You brought forth everything, Mr. Duru, just said as well.

1189
01:37:03,160 --> 01:37:05,400
The information to make a good decision.

1190
01:37:06,260 --> 01:37:09,160
Instead of, we stood for years.

1191
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:10,140
I'm going to say the past.

1192
01:37:10,140 --> 01:37:15,480
We stood for years, not knowing what was going on and still voting on stuff for cash flow,

1193
01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:20,520
for the county and how much we were spending, and what were our real needs, and we never

1194
01:37:20,520 --> 01:37:26,380
really got the list that we needed to do, and the full scope of concourse of how much

1195
01:37:26,380 --> 01:37:27,180
was going to cost.

1196
01:37:27,400 --> 01:37:32,460
And Travis was adamant about that, that we needed to find the final cost to concourse

1197
01:37:32,460 --> 01:37:36,180
before we even thought about moving anybody or doing anything else.

1198
01:37:36,180 --> 01:37:38,500
So I'm going to give credit to Travis.

1199
01:37:38,660 --> 01:37:43,060
He was right on that issue and the bottom line is, let's move forward.

1200
01:37:43,340 --> 01:37:48,860
I get it with a efficient and effective and a transparent building the ground guy.

1201
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,040
We did have that with Mike.

1202
01:37:51,100 --> 01:37:55,440
He was amazing at what he did, but now we have you and I appreciate you, Mr. Davis.

1203
01:37:55,760 --> 01:37:55,860
Thanks.

1204
01:37:55,900 --> 01:37:56,720
Any other comments?

1205
01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:58,040
Well, let's go, Mr.

1206
01:37:59,200 --> 01:37:59,880
On the cell.

1207
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:00,920
On the next one, I think.

1208
01:38:01,560 --> 01:38:02,300
You're on the next one.

1209
01:38:02,380 --> 01:38:03,500
Oh, y'all, you'd be part of this one.

1210
01:38:03,680 --> 01:38:05,180
We're going to item number nine.

1211
01:38:05,180 --> 01:38:13,420
items from Human Resources, Ms. Kerr. I'm going to talk about hours of operation study, and

1212
01:38:13,420 --> 01:38:15,600
I think we might get a motion on this today.

1213
01:38:35,840 --> 01:38:40,560
Good morning, commissioners. Carol Bamcroft, Human Resources Director for Pennington County,

1214
01:38:40,860 --> 01:38:46,220
and I have Davis Purcell, is with us as well, because he's going to talk to a piece of this

1215
01:38:46,220 --> 01:38:53,100
as well as Cody Weisman. I want to share with you the research team who has been working very

1216
01:38:53,100 --> 01:39:01,360
diligently on this, that it's Jordan Nab, Davis, Cody, Sandy Sortland, as well as Mike

1217
01:39:01,360 --> 01:39:05,240
Iverson, Alex Purcell, and Sage Nichols.

1218
01:39:06,420 --> 01:39:10,940
So they have done a really incredible job of working through this.

1219
01:39:11,680 --> 01:39:19,060
So as far as we're at right now for this update that we completed phase one and we are just

1220
01:39:19,060 --> 01:39:29,520
wrapping up, excuse me, phase two for the engagement that we have with the public and the employees and starting to analyze all of that data.

1221
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:39,000
And then the next step is that we will be coming before the board to make our recommendations on the hours of operation.

1222
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:45,980
And then phase four is where we would like to be able to communicate and plan for that change.

1223
01:39:45,980 --> 01:39:50,400
and then in phase 5 is the actual change implementation.

1224
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:59,660
And as we've said, I'll warn that this is really, it's a living document, if we need to change any of the timeline, etc.

1225
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:29,580
That we can certainly do that. So, the data collection that we conducted a total of eight different public listening sessions, and it was interesting because there were some of them. We didn't have any attendees. We did these like at 5.30 in the evenings to try to accommodate people's schedules, but we didn't have any attendees in the first one in Rapid City, and that might have been a timing issue from the timely communicated people.

1226
01:40:29,580 --> 01:40:34,940
didn't have a chance to really make plans for being there, so that's where we actually added

1227
01:40:34,940 --> 01:40:41,080
another one for Rapid City that we learned originally planning, but you can see under each of these

1228
01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:47,380
different ones that we went to the different communities within Pannington County and I think one

1229
01:40:47,380 --> 01:40:52,880
of the big takeaways from that is from our outlying communities outside of Rapid City.

1230
01:40:52,960 --> 01:40:59,400
They were very appreciative that we took the time to come to them and so all told we had

1231
01:40:59,400 --> 01:41:05,880
28 citizens, and what I'd like you to think in terms of that, even though that number is really small,

1232
01:41:06,460 --> 01:41:13,640
is that at a minimum, they shared with three to five other individuals, as far as what they learned at that,

1233
01:41:13,740 --> 01:41:16,220
and what how their voices were heard, et cetera.

1234
01:41:16,740 --> 01:41:23,200
So I would like you to consider that number being more like around 80 to 140 people,

1235
01:41:23,780 --> 01:41:26,260
who were very aware of what we were doing.

1236
01:41:26,260 --> 01:41:35,900
And then we also did internal listening sessions with our employees, so we had eight of our departments that participated in this.

1237
01:41:35,980 --> 01:41:45,720
Some of them were not going to be affected by any changes in the administration hours of operation, but they wanted to have their voices heard as well.

1238
01:41:46,480 --> 01:41:55,540
So what I'm going to do next is turn this over to Cody to talk about how we were collecting some of the data outside of the listening sessions.

1239
01:41:56,780 --> 01:42:02,200
Yeah, good morning, Cody Wiseman, marketing manager for Human Resources, so this website stats

1240
01:42:02,200 --> 01:42:06,820
here are specific to the landing page that we created specifically for this just to make sure

1241
01:42:06,820 --> 01:42:13,980
that everything was all in one place. So the data comes from May 8th to July 7th of 2025. So

1242
01:42:13,980 --> 01:42:20,560
it was about 3,323 page views, just anytime a user came and visited that page. We also had a web

1243
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:26,760
on that page it was not specifically any kind of survey on there it was just an open box

1244
01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:33,000
a lot of people to express what their experience is with our current hours we had 99 submissions

1245
01:42:33,680 --> 01:42:39,780
and then we had 91 unique webform submissions so we had about 8 that were repeated from similar

1246
01:42:39,780 --> 01:42:48,780
individuals and then on social media so we ran a campaign from about May 8 to June 24th on that we

1247
01:42:48,780 --> 01:42:55,280
We had 3,352 link clicks over to that hours of operation landing page as far as people who

1248
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:55,960
actually saw it.

1249
01:42:56,120 --> 01:42:57,120
That's what the reach is there.

1250
01:42:57,180 --> 01:43:02,060
We had about 34,000, just over 34,000 people that saw the post knowing that we're looking

1251
01:43:02,060 --> 01:43:10,280
for this information and about 157 comments and total, 90 of those were unique, same similar

1252
01:43:10,280 --> 01:43:14,780
for the website as those are the people that did not repeat.

1253
01:43:15,340 --> 01:43:16,600
90 comments there.

1254
01:43:18,390 --> 01:43:25,330
So I'm then Davis actually spearheaded getting the survey card, so we'll let him talk to that.

1255
01:43:25,890 --> 01:43:33,350
Yeah, so these are the survey cards that we had put in the majority of the public facing counters here at the county admin building.

1256
01:43:34,270 --> 01:43:37,150
We did only receive 264 responses.

1257
01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:46,310
And you can see I highlighted the main questions here that the commission would most likely be interested in.

1258
01:43:46,310 --> 01:43:52,090
Question one was, Pennington County Administrative Officers are Open Monday through Thursday, 7am to 6pm.

1259
01:43:53,170 --> 01:43:59,990
And there was, you know, a multiple choice answer here, and you can see, keep the current schedule had just over 100.

1260
01:44:01,110 --> 01:44:12,430
And then, but between a Monday, a traditional Monday through Friday 8-5 or Monday through Friday with extended hours, those were actually about 57% of the responses.

1261
01:44:12,430 --> 01:44:19,090
so preferring a more traditional Monday through Friday schedule is what those came to and then the

1262
01:44:19,090 --> 01:44:24,550
other question was what time of day is most convenient to you and this is important I think because

1263
01:44:24,550 --> 01:44:30,390
it shows here that the early morning and late afternoon where those were mostly the heavy choices mainly

1264
01:44:30,390 --> 01:44:37,450
early morning and obviously we don't have recommendations now but I would strongly urge the commission

1265
01:44:37,450 --> 01:44:43,410
to think about that that those early morning hours are used heavily by the public.

1266
01:44:46,640 --> 01:44:55,120
So our next steps that I think analyzing the data that right now we have about a 30,000

1267
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:59,980
level of understanding based on the data that we've collected, but we want to drill down.

1268
01:45:01,120 --> 01:45:10,940
I will say, though, and this is up for the Commission's decision, is that it's leaning heavily towards the traditional Monday through Friday.

1269
01:45:11,780 --> 01:45:21,560
And so, that much I know that we are pretty confident that is what the public is asking for. It's just what hours would we be open Monday through Friday.

1270
01:45:21,560 --> 01:45:32,580
And so right now, as I said, we're in the process of analyzing that data, so our target is still August 19th meeting,

1271
01:45:32,820 --> 01:45:41,720
is that we will present that data to the commission with our recommendations and the options that we see that you can make your decision.

1272
01:45:42,240 --> 01:45:47,840
And then in that August 19th, if you're ready to make the decision on what that should be,

1273
01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:55,680
that then we will begin the communications with staff and to the public, so those are our next steps.

1274
01:45:56,020 --> 01:46:03,030
Thank you. I'll start with the commissioner during I'm assuming that everybody wants to input something into this.

1275
01:46:05,160 --> 01:46:09,900
Do we have any public comment on this one? No. No public comment.

1276
01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:16,800
Or discussion I'm going to make a motion. I moved it effective with the relocation of the

1277
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:23,900
course property in the fall of 2025, Pennington County Administrative Office is located at Concourse,

1278
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:31,380
I'll operate at a Monday through Friday. Work week hours of operation will be determined with

1279
01:46:31,380 --> 01:46:38,820
the recommendation from staff and approved by the Board. Second. Well, motion to go back to

1280
01:46:38,820 --> 01:46:45,700
additional work we can have the hours determined when we have more input from the staff. So

1281
01:46:45,700 --> 01:46:51,280
input on that. Good motion. Okay. Commission Jews, you have any input on answer.

1282
01:46:53,860 --> 01:46:57,280
Why input would be is that I think we're maybe a little bit early. I think you got

1283
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:02,300
bullshit. I would have deferred away to all the rest of the information comes in of our

1284
01:47:02,300 --> 01:47:07,780
press 19. Okay. I listen. Thank you, Mr. Commissioners. I have a comment in the comments.

1285
01:47:08,820 --> 01:47:15,580
I'm ready to make a change. I mean, I see how many inputs we've had. I've had that many inputs on my Facebook

1286
01:47:15,580 --> 01:47:22,760
I look at my telephone and my text message alone that says to switch it back to a traditional

1287
01:47:22,760 --> 01:47:23,340
work week.

1288
01:47:23,540 --> 01:47:27,440
On the hours, I'm open for discussion on that.

1289
01:47:27,760 --> 01:47:34,960
The city is open 7.30 to 4.30 to tax both ends, it gives peers, you know, our title

1290
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:42,260
department closes at 4 o'clock and peers, so that obstructs some of the conversation that

1291
01:47:42,260 --> 01:47:50,420
license and can have there and but you know the one thing that I want to reiterate

1292
01:47:50,420 --> 01:47:55,400
whatever decisions made we're not walking into these to the department heads departments

1293
01:47:55,400 --> 01:48:00,480
and managing their employees that's up to them and I hope that's you know I'm

1294
01:48:00,480 --> 01:48:05,940
proud and there's been no considerations a Saturdays and I'll think that's even in the conversation

1295
01:48:05,940 --> 01:48:08,260
No, it was some days.

1296
01:48:08,260 --> 01:48:09,300
No, it was some days.

1297
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:11,260
No, it was some days.

1298
01:48:11,260 --> 01:48:11,460
Some days?

1299
01:48:11,820 --> 01:48:12,100
Oh, yeah.

1300
01:48:12,380 --> 01:48:12,620
No.

1301
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:18,060
My comment to that is, and I appreciate what Commissioner Dury says to say, but, you know, the

1302
01:48:18,060 --> 01:48:22,020
sentiment in the feedback, if you read what, you know, we're posting on our social media

1303
01:48:22,020 --> 01:48:25,700
in the feedback from the public, and again, you know, I said, at months ago, you typically

1304
01:48:25,700 --> 01:48:31,680
get those people that have an issue with the situation that are most focal, but the, you

1305
01:48:31,680 --> 01:48:35,820
know, correspondence that I've received, you know, since January coming and offices

1306
01:48:35,820 --> 01:48:44,960
been 99 to 1, please go back to a 5-day work week and getting back to what you said Mr.

1307
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:51,920
Chairman is then giving the feedback as already stating that the public wants us to open

1308
01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:57,320
Monday through Friday I think it's important to telegraph that to them that we're listening and

1309
01:48:57,320 --> 01:49:03,680
so yes we think that we would better serve the public on a traditional work week but getting back

1310
01:49:03,680 --> 01:49:06,920
to the point still leading it up to department heads

1311
01:49:06,920 --> 01:49:09,440
to decide how they want to staff during that,

1312
01:49:09,500 --> 01:49:11,660
and whether or not in the public sentiment

1313
01:49:11,660 --> 01:49:14,160
is the same, whether or not employees work

1314
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:16,160
four days a week or three days a week,

1315
01:49:16,300 --> 01:49:19,200
or whatever that number is, to cover that service

1316
01:49:19,200 --> 01:49:21,920
is something that should be handled internally

1317
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,340
by department heads as long as they feel they can create

1318
01:49:25,340 --> 01:49:28,640
that staffing to take care of the level of service

1319
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:30,900
that we need to in the various departments,

1320
01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:33,460
but I think it's important to telegraph

1321
01:49:33,460 --> 01:49:39,260
advance to the public that we're listening and get everybody prepped when we are going to

1322
01:49:39,260 --> 01:49:45,180
make the move to concourse, I think the timing would be most set for going to a new location

1323
01:49:45,180 --> 01:49:50,540
with operational hours and then let you guys come back and make recommendations on what

1324
01:49:50,540 --> 01:49:54,720
that think is best suited, you know, based on all of the other data.

1325
01:50:00,660 --> 01:50:25,240
So, Mr. Chairman, I'd like to make a couple of comments that I appreciate the motion in your absolutely right. We need to let the public and the employees know, as far as the Monday through Friday and that we'll be working very closely with the department heads and elected officials for their particular operations on helping them to understand some of the ways that they could be creative if they would like that support.

1326
01:50:25,240 --> 01:50:37,500
But also, I know that Cody is teed up already to be able to do a press release as well as a communication to our employees as soon as this decision is made.

1327
01:50:37,700 --> 01:50:38,080
Okay.

1328
01:50:38,600 --> 01:50:39,880
So, Commissioner Hacker.

1329
01:50:40,660 --> 01:50:43,920
So, the history on this is we did the four day work week.

1330
01:50:43,980 --> 01:50:47,040
They were still going to, the employees were still going to work the 40 hours.

1331
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:51,660
It seemed like it was going to be a great idea at the time because we had Monday through Friday

1332
01:50:51,660 --> 01:50:55,400
and then the treasure's office being the most contentious,

1333
01:50:55,660 --> 01:50:57,820
was going to have more time to do what they need to do.

1334
01:50:58,780 --> 01:51:01,700
Well, what we learned is we still have the lines

1335
01:51:02,460 --> 01:51:05,240
and the contention, it didn't help with that

1336
01:51:05,240 --> 01:51:06,960
to a certain extent, even though the mailing

1337
01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:10,680
instead did open up, so let's be up straight with that.

1338
01:51:10,840 --> 01:51:14,080
But we also learned in that, because the first six months,

1339
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:16,020
we just, okay, let's try it.

1340
01:51:16,020 --> 01:51:18,920
And then I didn't hear much input, I'll just tell you.

1341
01:51:18,920 --> 01:51:26,280
but the next right after the big election in November and more taxes being paid in October

1342
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:33,800
that's when for me the money through Friday came to pass. I said, now I'm into Monday through Friday.

1343
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:39,620
Well, I think we voted on this before and I voted no on the four day work. We get anymore. I like the

1344
01:51:39,620 --> 01:51:45,000
five day. I'm glad we're moving back to it. We've had a lot of people in the last couple of years.

1345
01:51:45,000 --> 01:51:52,080
I'll just tell you to be up straight, but now we're ready from the data again to say that

1346
01:51:52,080 --> 01:51:58,060
customer service, that we always talk about what our mission statement is and for the decision

1347
01:51:58,060 --> 01:52:05,940
for me, I don't care where your end time is for me, but the 7 a.m. is huge. It even shows it on your

1348
01:52:05,940 --> 01:52:11,060
paper the early morning. A lot of people can still do their business and he business people

1349
01:52:11,060 --> 01:52:14,880
a lot of times want to go and come in at seven not five because they were out or they have

1350
01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:19,200
other stuff to do on their businesses by that end of day. So if you want to do four, four,

1351
01:52:19,260 --> 01:52:25,460
thirty or whatever, I'm in to that. The main thing for me again is the Monday through Friday.

1352
01:52:25,820 --> 01:52:35,320
Thank you, Mr. Hattcock. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed. Same sign. Motion carries. Thank you.

1353
01:52:35,320 --> 01:52:44,540
we'll move on to the next item. Thank you, Ms. Carroll and Cody and we're still waiting for

1354
01:52:44,540 --> 01:52:46,760
that big beautiful website, my friend.

1355
01:52:49,260 --> 01:52:50,400
And we'll move on to item

1356
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:56,640
10 items from planning and

1357
01:52:56,640 --> 01:53:01,720
zoning for whatever reason. Can we take a few minute break? I think we're going to bring

1358
01:53:01,720 --> 01:53:08,100
you always the victim of this but we're going to, we're going to take some a break here and I apologize

1359
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:19,940
Okay, he's on.

1360
01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:20,700
He's on.

1361
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:21,160
So,

1362
01:53:23,480 --> 01:53:24,000
you ready to roll?

1363
01:53:24,840 --> 01:53:24,980
Pretty.

1364
01:53:26,320 --> 01:53:27,880
You got the floor for...

1365
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:32,320
I'm sorry.

1366
01:53:32,460 --> 01:53:33,680
You're not bringing a little bit of work.

1367
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:36,040
Motion for Board of Adjustment.

1368
01:53:36,140 --> 01:53:37,780
Take it.

1369
01:53:38,220 --> 01:53:39,340
We have a motion from...

1370
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:41,760
There, second by headcock.

1371
01:53:41,960 --> 01:53:42,940
All in favor say aye.

1372
01:53:43,780 --> 01:53:43,920
Aye.

1373
01:53:44,280 --> 01:53:44,720
Opposed.

1374
01:53:44,960 --> 01:53:45,480
Same side here.

1375
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:45,800
And none.

1376
01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:46,440
Motion carries.

1377
01:53:46,760 --> 01:53:47,860
We are...

1378
01:53:47,860 --> 01:53:50,240
Move on to item...

1379
01:53:50,240 --> 01:53:50,280
Ten.

1380
01:53:51,160 --> 01:53:53,160
audience from Planning and the Zoning.

1381
01:53:55,490 --> 01:53:57,210
Megan Tellmage, planner.

1382
01:53:57,510 --> 01:54:02,030
Jenna item A is variants COVA 25-0012 and it's

1383
01:54:02,030 --> 01:54:04,530
to allow a 5.02 acre lot in agriculture

1384
01:54:04,530 --> 01:54:05,490
zoning district.

1385
01:54:06,250 --> 01:54:09,690
The applicant is G.J. H. Branch and their

1386
01:54:09,690 --> 01:54:13,070
surveyor and agent is avid for engineering.

1387
01:54:14,090 --> 01:54:15,770
And they are here today.

1388
01:54:17,610 --> 01:54:20,130
The current zoning is agriculture district,

1389
01:54:20,130 --> 01:54:24,190
this is off of white buff low, and it has no flood hazard.

1390
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:28,170
You moved your microphone down, so I think Gary can hear you?

1391
01:54:28,230 --> 01:54:29,330
Yeah, thank you.

1392
01:54:29,490 --> 01:54:30,070
Thank you.

1393
01:54:32,160 --> 01:54:38,180
The applicant is requesting a lot of size variance to allow a 5.0 to acre lot in agriculture

1394
01:54:38,180 --> 01:54:39,440
zoning district.

1395
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:47,320
When looking at variances staff takes a two prong approach and those two prongs are listed

1396
01:54:47,320 --> 01:54:51,780
on-screen, there is no special condition that exists.

1397
01:54:51,780 --> 01:54:54,560
two four staff.

1398
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,600
This variance.

1399
01:55:04,700 --> 01:55:20,180
But the applicant has also submitted a layout plan for this 5.0 to acre lot, as well as a city preliminary subdivision plans since this is within the city's three mile, or it touches the city's three mile planning jurisdiction.

1400
01:55:21,880 --> 01:55:32,180
The future land use on this lot is agriculture zoning district, which requires a, sorry, excuse me.

1401
01:55:32,360 --> 01:55:36,160
The future land use is ranchet zoning district, which is five acres.

1402
01:55:36,800 --> 01:55:50,160
So they would be going down to the five acres and staff recommends denial as the property can be

1403
01:55:50,160 --> 01:55:55,860
not part to me, because if the future land use is a ranch yet, five acres would be like a ranch yet.

1404
01:55:56,380 --> 01:56:02,940
Yes. So, they are requesting a lot size variants to remain agriculture district in a five acre lot.

1405
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:07,700
But their future land use actually supports a rezone rather than a variance.

1406
01:56:09,480 --> 01:56:13,500
A rezone versus a variance. Okay. Thank you. I understand.

1407
01:56:14,600 --> 01:56:17,160
Any other questions from who's the applicant here?

1408
01:56:17,820 --> 01:56:25,380
Yes, right down there. Sure. We have you want to talk to him. I have him. I just like to hear what they're take it. Can John, can you come out and speak for your

1409
01:56:26,860 --> 01:56:32,600
And just identify who you are and who you represent and and give us a little summary, please

1410
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:39,160
Yes, John van Beek. I have it for engineering. I'm the land surveyor on the on the project is as was mentioned

1411
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:43,400
We've got a plotting effort that that is kind of unique. It's going through

1412
01:56:43,400 --> 01:56:47,180
through, I'll go back to this aerial view here.

1413
01:56:51,710 --> 01:56:53,970
I think that aerial probably does the best.

1414
01:56:53,970 --> 01:56:55,590
The best job of explaining things.

1415
01:56:59,040 --> 01:57:02,260
So, as was mentioned, this is unique in that.

1416
01:57:03,520 --> 01:57:05,880
It's in the planning jurisdiction of Rapid City.

1417
01:57:06,660 --> 01:57:10,000
That boundary is dictated by the relationship to Somerset.

1418
01:57:10,060 --> 01:57:14,620
So, Somerset has the ability to enforce planning jurisdiction in this particular area.

1419
01:57:14,800 --> 01:57:18,760
But chooses not to in Pennington County, which leaves us with,

1420
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:28,260
of the two plating efforts here, the desire is to be able to carve out as small a piece of property

1421
01:57:28,260 --> 01:57:32,600
as possible for transfer for residents within the family.

1422
01:57:35,500 --> 01:57:37,880
And we would have really honestly

1423
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:43,460
preferred a two and a half acre lot size, but knowing that the future land use indicates five

1424
01:57:43,460 --> 01:57:48,200
for this, that's why the request is to only go down to five acres.

1425
01:57:49,780 --> 01:57:54,900
And we again chose to go this route because of some precedence farther to the south where

1426
01:57:54,900 --> 01:57:57,440
there's five acre lots in the General Ag District.

1427
01:57:59,620 --> 01:58:05,080
The access here is off of White Buffalo Road, which comes off of Merit Road,

1428
01:58:05,580 --> 01:58:10,020
and really is part of approximately 400 acres with one residence on it currently.

1429
01:58:10,020 --> 01:58:14,520
The intent would be to to flat off a separate piece of property for a second residence and

1430
01:58:15,680 --> 01:58:21,470
The logic and remaining general ag right now is cattle is run on this entire entirety of the property and

1431
01:58:23,080 --> 01:58:29,040
With the rural ranch at zoning there are restrictions to the number of cattle that can be on the property at any given time

1432
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:36,050
So if there's just going to be these two residences on the large acreage of property keeping a general ag

1433
01:58:36,510 --> 01:58:43,190
was the most logical situation in this instance. Joel here at the landowner is available as well

1434
01:58:43,190 --> 01:58:46,070
if you guys have any questions. Just to rush, can I could still love the floor story?

1435
01:58:46,370 --> 01:58:53,290
So the goal is just to create a lot one. It's not to create a lot one and then next year

1436
01:58:53,290 --> 01:58:57,950
do the lot next to it and do a lot two and three. It's just a one time.

1437
01:58:58,150 --> 01:59:05,410
Correct. If the goal was correct. If the goal was 25 acre lots, the change in zoning would make sense

1438
01:59:05,410 --> 01:59:06,890
and be appropriate.

1439
01:59:07,030 --> 01:59:10,730
In this case, the goal is to make one, five-acre lot,

1440
01:59:12,370 --> 01:59:15,230
and the other resident stays on the balance of the 80,

1441
01:59:15,570 --> 01:59:18,030
contiguous with the rest of the ranch.

1442
01:59:18,590 --> 01:59:21,170
So a variance grant the day would save you the time

1443
01:59:21,170 --> 01:59:24,670
and process to go through a resone of the property,

1444
01:59:24,930 --> 01:59:28,210
which would basically end up the same correct.

1445
01:59:28,530 --> 01:59:31,330
If we resone, we'd end up in the same situation

1446
01:59:31,330 --> 01:59:39,830
with the same lot size, it just seemed the most logical to allow the cattle number of cattle

1447
01:59:39,830 --> 01:59:44,110
being on the property at any one time. That's how we landed on this particular.

1448
01:59:44,250 --> 01:59:49,170
Yeah, I just wasn't sure if it was going to be more five acre lots in the future, which would

1449
01:59:49,170 --> 01:59:53,510
probably be better the reason, but it's a one-time, for a special reason, I guess.

1450
01:59:54,730 --> 01:59:56,950
Mr. Chair. Thank you commissioner.

1451
01:59:57,250 --> 01:59:57,870
I was going to commissioner.

1452
01:59:58,490 --> 01:59:59,010
I'm going to make a

1453
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:08,360
A. H. Ranch LLC to allow 5.2 acre, 0.02 acre, lot size in an agricultural district.

1454
02:00:09,060 --> 02:00:13,140
So, a motion from Durham, a second by Ross Connect, all in favor say aye.

1455
02:00:13,140 --> 02:00:13,620
All right.

1456
02:00:14,100 --> 02:00:16,860
Opposed, same sign, motion carries.

1457
02:00:17,140 --> 02:00:19,820
And thank you for not making me come onto your office and sign something.

1458
02:00:20,000 --> 02:00:21,340
No problem. No guarantees.

1459
02:00:21,780 --> 02:00:22,220
All right.

1460
02:00:22,220 --> 02:00:30,620
When we want to item 11, or is it, is there items in between here and move to variance, item

1461
02:00:31,920 --> 02:00:37,420
okay, item 11, motion to adjourn for Board of Judgment?

1462
02:00:37,660 --> 02:00:37,760
Second.

1463
02:00:38,080 --> 02:00:41,960
Of motion from Derr, second from Hatcock, all in favor say aye.

1464
02:00:42,440 --> 02:00:42,920
All right.

1465
02:00:42,920 --> 02:00:43,280
All right.

1466
02:00:43,940 --> 02:00:48,680
We're going to move on to item number 11.

1467
02:00:49,580 --> 02:00:56,040
TIF application resolution and this is just the commission thing so we'll go to Jordan

1468
02:00:56,040 --> 02:00:59,760
as well and give us a little give us a summary here what this is something we talked

1469
02:00:59,760 --> 02:01:06,220
about at the last meeting asked you to run forward a resolution that we could share with

1470
02:01:06,220 --> 02:01:12,840
the city of our city. Absolutely and so they also do have another application here for

1471
02:01:12,840 --> 02:01:17,340
your review that would be the Marshall Heard tract but in the meantime we also were working

1472
02:01:17,340 --> 02:01:19,260
And it may not have to be a formal resolution.

1473
02:01:19,480 --> 02:01:21,520
It could be just a letter, which is what I've drafted.

1474
02:01:21,620 --> 02:01:24,320
A letter to the city is probably just going to be as strong,

1475
02:01:24,600 --> 02:01:28,340
voicing the concerns of the board that you all mentioned during the last meeting.

1476
02:01:28,540 --> 02:01:31,640
And so I have a letter right here, a draft version of it.

1477
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:35,500
I'm not sure if you've had a chance to kind of review it, but let me pull it up.

1478
02:01:35,500 --> 02:01:38,380
Think we've all had it for a while, no, no, no.

1479
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:43,460
I mean, anyway, I guess if there's questions, let's shoot them at Jordan now

1480
02:01:43,460 --> 02:01:46,860
or if we see some things we'd like to switch up.

1481
02:01:46,860 --> 02:01:52,280
I guess just to reiterate real quick here in the letter, there was concern about the number

1482
02:01:52,280 --> 02:01:56,620
of applications increasing significantly as opposed to when they had the tip committee where

1483
02:01:56,620 --> 02:02:01,660
the county was involved in the past. The impact on the county budgets in the tax base is also

1484
02:02:01,660 --> 02:02:06,680
a concern just because as you know, when you tuck things into a tax increment financing district,

1485
02:02:07,180 --> 02:02:13,200
you take the growth, the increment of that growth off of the tax roles until the tip is paid off.

1486
02:02:13,200 --> 02:02:17,840
And so there is concern that, well, if that's messing with the county's tax base, the county

1487
02:02:17,840 --> 02:02:21,680
probably should have a little bit more say and knowledge about how these things are coming

1488
02:02:21,680 --> 02:02:22,080
about.

1489
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:27,460
The administrative burden of processing tiffs is pretty heavy on the county auditor's office

1490
02:02:27,460 --> 02:02:31,120
specifically because they have to go through and make sure that all these tiff districts are

1491
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:31,780
set up.

1492
02:02:32,180 --> 02:02:38,840
And so there's not as much support from outside entities creating tiff districts and then the transparency

1493
02:02:38,840 --> 02:02:44,020
and accountability. This was brought up because the tiff packets application, some of them are hundreds

1494
02:02:44,020 --> 02:02:48,640
of pages long, without a very effective summary towards the beginning. And so just communicating

1495
02:02:48,640 --> 02:02:53,900
that we want to make sure that we've got the accountability for, you know, the board making the

1496
02:02:53,900 --> 02:02:59,200
right decision for the people up front. And then the other concern was about future obligations,

1497
02:02:59,340 --> 02:03:05,020
because of infrastructure concerns, of not properly considering what the impact is going to be

1498
02:03:05,020 --> 02:03:09,920
not just during the 5, 10 years, 20 years that the tip is in place, but what happens afterwards

1499
02:03:09,920 --> 02:03:13,540
when growth continues, when maybe you don't have the facilities that you thought you

1500
02:03:13,540 --> 02:03:15,420
need to have for to support those areas.

1501
02:03:16,040 --> 02:03:20,980
So those were the points that I believe covered everything everyone wanted to address to

1502
02:03:20,980 --> 02:03:21,360
the city.

1503
02:03:22,140 --> 02:03:27,460
So, it's pretty simple to just either authorize this to be transmitted, does the board want

1504
02:03:27,460 --> 02:03:29,940
to sign the letter altogether, just the chairperson?

1505
02:03:32,110 --> 02:03:34,470
I think it should just be the chairperson to sign.

1506
02:03:34,470 --> 02:03:37,070
Yeah, our names don't need to be on it, just runs.

1507
02:03:37,450 --> 02:03:38,170
Okay, that's fine.

1508
02:03:38,410 --> 02:03:38,890
I'm kidding.

1509
02:03:39,570 --> 02:03:47,250
Yeah, the tag line at the bottom would be, you know, the chairman's signature and just have

1510
02:03:47,250 --> 02:03:47,990
for the board.

1511
02:03:48,330 --> 02:03:49,050
For the board.

1512
02:03:50,190 --> 02:03:50,370
Easy.

1513
02:03:51,110 --> 02:03:51,370
All right.

1514
02:03:51,630 --> 02:03:53,050
Give me some help there, Ron.

1515
02:03:54,890 --> 02:03:55,170
Thank you.

1516
02:03:55,170 --> 02:03:55,290
Help me.

1517
02:03:55,990 --> 02:03:56,850
Oh, okay.

1518
02:03:57,150 --> 02:03:57,950
You're letting you sing too.

1519
02:03:58,070 --> 02:03:58,190
Okay.

1520
02:03:58,230 --> 02:03:58,870
That's good.

1521
02:03:59,030 --> 02:03:59,570
So no questions.

1522
02:03:59,710 --> 02:04:00,250
We've got a motion.

1523
02:04:00,450 --> 02:04:01,590
I'm going to make a motion.

1524
02:04:01,590 --> 02:04:05,910
of the chair to sign the letter and send it to the city regarding Tips"?

1525
02:04:05,910 --> 02:04:06,730
Okay, excuse me.

1526
02:04:06,850 --> 02:04:07,050
Sorry.

1527
02:04:07,250 --> 02:04:08,350
I'm ocean at a second.

1528
02:04:10,520 --> 02:04:11,440
Paul and Favor say aye.

1529
02:04:12,660 --> 02:04:13,160
The boss?

1530
02:04:13,600 --> 02:04:14,740
Paul is in the same sign here.

1531
02:04:14,820 --> 02:04:16,780
Now I am motion carries Jordan here.

1532
02:04:17,060 --> 02:04:19,200
I'm going to put Jerries name on her.

1533
02:04:24,720 --> 02:04:25,140
Okay.

1534
02:04:25,420 --> 02:04:27,160
Here we go to item 11.

1535
02:04:28,140 --> 02:04:30,620
Proposed Resolutions, that was what we just talked about.

1536
02:04:31,060 --> 02:04:31,100
Yeah.

1537
02:04:31,260 --> 02:04:31,720
That's what it just says.

1538
02:04:31,720 --> 02:04:32,000
Salt.

1539
02:04:32,260 --> 02:04:34,480
S. D.A. C.c. Resolutions process.

1540
02:04:38,100 --> 02:04:40,140
Procedures for due process, resolution.

1541
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:45,300
So, yeah, this was brought up not the last meeting but two meetings ago.

1542
02:04:45,600 --> 02:04:51,300
Just in case the board wanted to take the opportunity to present a resolution to the resolution committee

1543
02:04:51,300 --> 02:04:54,200
through the SDACC and have them try to push this.

1544
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:08,300
This will be basically the last time you can meet as a board to put one of these forward, for this year, sorry, for this year, for the county convention.

1545
02:05:11,840 --> 02:05:12,560
Any resolution?

1546
02:05:14,340 --> 02:05:16,180
I mean for their consideration.

1547
02:05:16,340 --> 02:05:17,580
My name is something again.

1548
02:05:17,860 --> 02:05:20,520
Let's keep pushing on these sales tax.

1549
02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:24,980
Kind of resolution says we appreciate sales tax anytime.

1550
02:05:25,140 --> 02:05:28,360
You can give a sales tax and anything in the past.

1551
02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:30,960
And that has been put on there.

1552
02:05:31,180 --> 02:05:34,260
Let's make a resolution to say we still want sales tax.

1553
02:05:34,340 --> 02:05:36,960
And if the sales tax would help a lot with these tips.

1554
02:05:37,400 --> 02:05:41,160
Because if they create retail then we could actually gain something from

1555
02:05:41,160 --> 02:05:43,280
versus gaining nothing.

1556
02:05:43,700 --> 02:05:44,400
Is it true?

1557
02:05:44,520 --> 02:05:44,740
Yes.

1558
02:05:45,160 --> 02:05:46,540
Commissioner Raskinite.

1559
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:52,720
And Jerry can relate to what I'm going to visit about because he was in the country.

1560
02:05:53,360 --> 02:05:54,940
We all understand section lines.

1561
02:05:55,320 --> 02:05:56,140
I've got him.

1562
02:05:56,140 --> 02:05:58,320
He's probably got him nearby.

1563
02:05:59,260 --> 02:06:02,360
And to vacate his section line, it takes three signatures.

1564
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:06,060
To relocate his section line, it takes about 480.

1565
02:06:06,920 --> 02:06:10,140
It's a lot more adverse if you vacate his section line.

1566
02:06:10,140 --> 02:06:13,800
because you're vacating, it should just be reversed.

1567
02:06:13,960 --> 02:06:16,740
It shouldn't take the poor 80 to vacate

1568
02:06:16,740 --> 02:06:18,780
and maybe three to relocate.

1569
02:06:19,980 --> 02:06:22,740
If there's no adverse conditions in doing so,

1570
02:06:23,020 --> 02:06:24,560
and denying anybody public access,

1571
02:06:24,680 --> 02:06:27,320
but that's why I tried to push through last year,

1572
02:06:27,720 --> 02:06:30,980
it just didn't, in the past, really, really, really well at the end,

1573
02:06:31,060 --> 02:06:32,580
but I'd like to explore that a little bit.

1574
02:06:32,700 --> 02:06:36,480
We're encouraging people to vacate it versus just move it.

1575
02:06:36,800 --> 02:06:37,340
Right, I think.

1576
02:06:37,380 --> 02:06:39,120
And they even plan in his audience as, you know,

1577
02:06:39,120 --> 02:06:43,320
This is just backwards, he said it should just be the opposite.

1578
02:06:44,000 --> 02:06:49,380
So just like the, let's see if we could explore that a little bit in the form and put it in the form of a resolution.

1579
02:06:50,280 --> 02:06:55,500
Okay, and Brittany with planning is on and she can take exactly where the wording could be changed.

1580
02:06:56,020 --> 02:07:01,240
I'm not saying it's, there's might be some stuff that I'm missing and that's why it is,

1581
02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:08,400
but it just seems to me, everything's reversed relative to the numbers there, which is easy to agree with.

1582
02:07:09,060 --> 02:07:14,980
doesn't make a lot of sense. Okay. So does that solve that for you? Yeah, anyone else had anything they

1583
02:07:14,980 --> 02:07:22,660
wanted me to look into? Now's the time. So 2026 provisional budget would prove to get surge.

1584
02:07:24,700 --> 02:07:24,700
And

1585
02:07:24,700 --> 02:07:31,100
so what are we looking at here? This is the placeholder for the big discussion for budget.

1586
02:07:31,640 --> 02:07:36,940
There can be formal action, there can be informal direction, whatever we need because our provisional

1587
02:07:36,940 --> 02:07:41,560
budget hearing is going to be, well, we also need to schedule the special hearing on the

1588
02:07:41,560 --> 02:07:46,500
23rd. So currently, you have a planning work session scheduled for the 23rd at 8 a.m.

1589
02:07:46,600 --> 02:07:50,860
We're going to cancel that, planning and zoning is okay with it, and then we're going to

1590
02:07:50,860 --> 02:07:56,080
actually have a budget hearing to approve our provisional budget for 2026.

1591
02:07:56,700 --> 02:07:59,220
Okay, and that would be on what day? That'd be next Wednesday.

1592
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:00,960
That's Wednesday, is everybody cool with

1593
02:08:03,230 --> 02:08:04,890
that?

1594
02:08:05,270 --> 02:08:07,630
I think Commissioner Ross is going to check in his calendar.

1595
02:08:07,630 --> 02:08:11,510
Because we have to approve the provisional budget by the end of July.

1596
02:08:12,050 --> 02:08:14,970
Yep. We have to approve it between July 15th and July 30th.

1597
02:08:15,570 --> 02:08:18,150
The provisionalness means there's still room for change.

1598
02:08:18,790 --> 02:08:20,190
Yep. We have a long ways to go.

1599
02:08:20,270 --> 02:08:23,590
I believe on this. I mean, looking at what, you know,

1600
02:08:23,850 --> 02:08:26,890
the golf wall coming down the garden house just by a rate of pop out.

1601
02:08:26,910 --> 02:08:28,810
And it's going to hit Jordan right in the eyes.

1602
02:08:29,830 --> 02:08:31,510
So, you good with that, Ron?

1603
02:08:31,710 --> 02:08:33,730
About chapter calendar, 23rd?

1604
02:08:34,030 --> 02:08:35,570
Yeah. We cancel the 23rd.

1605
02:08:35,570 --> 02:08:36,590
Yeah, move to the 20.

1606
02:08:37,030 --> 02:08:37,790
That looks okay.

1607
02:08:39,430 --> 02:08:39,510
All right.

1608
02:08:40,910 --> 02:08:42,710
So that that that that has that.

1609
02:08:42,950 --> 02:08:46,590
So there will be a motion you can say use for that one so that we've got it officially

1610
02:08:46,590 --> 02:08:49,390
because you did set the planning session by motion.

1611
02:08:49,490 --> 02:08:51,750
So I figured a change it will go ahead and do a motion there.

1612
02:08:52,730 --> 02:08:56,730
And it would be to move to cancel the planning workshop meeting on July 23rd and set

1613
02:08:56,730 --> 02:09:01,310
a special meeting to approve the provisional budget on July 23rd at 8 a.m.

1614
02:09:01,430 --> 02:09:02,170
That'd be my motion.

1615
02:09:02,170 --> 02:09:05,970
That second motion by Hadcock just carried.

1616
02:09:05,970 --> 02:09:08,390
Did you were able to get all that?

1617
02:09:08,390 --> 02:09:10,610
We're canceling planning and zoning.

1618
02:09:11,250 --> 02:09:12,750
I'm going to repeat it for her again a little bit.

1619
02:09:13,110 --> 02:09:19,370
Yes, it's to move to cancel the planning workshop meeting on July 23rd, 2025, and set

1620
02:09:19,370 --> 02:09:26,710
a special meeting to approve the provisional budget on July 23rd, 2025 at 8am.

1621
02:09:26,990 --> 02:09:27,170
Okay.

1622
02:09:27,670 --> 02:09:27,990
I bet you.

1623
02:09:27,990 --> 02:09:30,730
So that was a motion by Hadcock second by DER.

1624
02:09:30,790 --> 02:09:31,050
Okay.

1625
02:09:31,050 --> 02:09:32,570
So all in favor say aye?

1626
02:09:32,710 --> 02:09:33,750
All right.

1627
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:34,330
All right.

1628
02:09:34,670 --> 02:09:35,770
Opposed same sign.

1629
02:09:36,950 --> 02:09:38,390
Here are none motion carries.

1630
02:09:38,730 --> 02:09:42,470
We want to level historical presentation of the

1631
02:09:42,470 --> 02:09:43,150
Level.

1632
02:09:44,010 --> 02:09:45,610
There's something your handle in Jordan too.

1633
02:09:46,310 --> 02:09:46,510
Yep.

1634
02:09:46,930 --> 02:09:47,390
This is, yeah.

1635
02:09:47,590 --> 02:09:49,230
Now we're now we're in the budget stuff.

1636
02:09:50,570 --> 02:09:53,870
So I provided a whole bunch of different presentations here that were requested.

1637
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:09,560
And it's still kind of preliminary data. It doesn't have the full amount of data that I would love to have presented, but it's a good start because it gives you a 10-year history.

1638
02:10:10,240 --> 02:10:14,320
I wanted to let everyone know on the very first slide. Let's see if I can actually pop this over on the screen.

1639
02:10:14,640 --> 02:10:15,500
One moment.

1640
02:10:18,360 --> 02:10:25,380
Next one, it gives us a 10-year tax history too, which is probably more important or easier for people to understand.

1641
02:10:25,380 --> 02:10:28,200
They all tie together and that's why you want to talk about levy.

1642
02:10:28,340 --> 02:10:32,840
You want to talk about the tax base and you want to talk about the budget because they all

1643
02:10:32,840 --> 02:10:38,000
go hand in hand to give us our revenues and that helps us drive our budget discussions.

1644
02:10:38,420 --> 02:10:38,620
Gotcha.

1645
02:10:38,860 --> 02:10:48,520
So, this is levy, this is a multiplier and as property values go up, it looks like the levy

1646
02:10:48,520 --> 02:10:55,520
has actually dropped a little bit for the last year, two years, which is a killer because

1647
02:10:55,520 --> 02:11:01,860
property taxes went up, property assessments went up in 2024, 25, but the mill levy also

1648
02:11:01,860 --> 02:11:09,900
dropped very little, so that's where the property tax payers were in concerns about how much

1649
02:11:09,900 --> 02:11:17,520
are paying and property taxes, and it did go up by $4 million from $23,24 to $24,25.

1650
02:11:18,400 --> 02:11:21,320
So, and so just a quick explanation of what all we love you for.

1651
02:11:21,400 --> 02:11:23,220
We have six different county levies.

1652
02:11:23,400 --> 02:11:25,460
There's obviously more levies on someone's tax assessment.

1653
02:11:25,560 --> 02:11:28,260
Notice, but these are the ones that were responsible for.

1654
02:11:28,580 --> 02:11:29,920
I've listed them out up above here.

1655
02:11:29,940 --> 02:11:31,060
We've got the general fund.

1656
02:11:31,100 --> 02:11:32,560
That's just for general purposes.

1657
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:35,080
That's our standard general fund levie.

1658
02:11:35,220 --> 02:11:39,600
There's a maximum for that levie, but that maximum is actually for all county levies

1659
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:43,680
unless they're explicitly allowed elsewhere, and that's a $12 per thousand.

1660
02:11:44,140 --> 02:11:46,720
You cannot exceed that for your county purposes.

1661
02:11:47,600 --> 02:11:54,980
The accumulated building levy, it's authorized by 7251, and that's for the purpose of acquiring sites, repairing buildings, that kind of stuff.

1662
02:11:55,120 --> 02:12:02,640
It is, we have a specific levy that goes into that, and it is not near the $0.90 per thousand, but that is the maximum levy allowed by law.

1663
02:12:02,640 --> 02:12:12,620
We also levy for a county fair, which is pursuant to chapter 7, 27, and that maximum is 30 cents per 1,000 or not quite near that either.

1664
02:12:13,160 --> 02:12:20,200
There's the county fire for fire protection pursuant to chapter 3431, that's 60 cents per 1,000 dollars, and we're not near that cap.

1665
02:12:20,620 --> 02:12:29,980
The unorganized road levy is for secondary roads and unorganized territories per SDCL 31, 1226, and then the county library services.

1666
02:12:29,980 --> 02:12:45,960
This one is a little tricky and that they don't have a maximum levy listed, but from what I understand the history here in Pennington County is because there is a vote of the people to institute a library levy, you can't just get rid of it entirely without a vote of the people.

1667
02:12:45,960 --> 02:12:49,760
So that means, you can reduce the amount you

1668
02:12:49,760 --> 02:12:52,080
levy for it, you probably can't increase it

1669
02:12:52,080 --> 02:12:54,740
except for growth and whatever CPI you get.

1670
02:12:55,240 --> 02:12:57,520
But you can reduce it down, you just have to make sure

1671
02:12:57,520 --> 02:12:59,780
that you're following the will of the people who voted back

1672
02:12:59,780 --> 02:13:03,300
in 1990 something that they wanted library services.

1673
02:13:03,780 --> 02:13:06,880
And what that amount is entirely to the board.

1674
02:13:08,720 --> 02:13:12,300
So that's the breakout of the levies we currently have.

1675
02:13:12,300 --> 02:13:15,800
And then we can look at how that breaks into our total levy.

1676
02:13:16,760 --> 02:13:20,160
And so you can see we got 69% there is for the general fund.

1677
02:13:20,520 --> 02:13:23,020
9% goes into the accumulated building.

1678
02:13:23,480 --> 02:13:28,840
1% for fair, 1% for fire, 3% for library, and then 17% for roads.

1679
02:13:29,600 --> 02:13:33,380
And that's how our levy is broken down for payable 25.

1680
02:13:35,080 --> 02:13:36,020
Do you want to have a question?

1681
02:13:36,100 --> 02:13:36,880
Yes, ma'am.

1682
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:38,660
On fire, we can increase the levy.

1683
02:13:39,460 --> 02:13:40,740
You could increase the fire levy.

1684
02:13:40,740 --> 02:13:47,360
Yep, you can increase some of these levies if you wanted to were limited by how much we can increase our tax dollar amount.

1685
02:13:47,840 --> 02:13:56,080
But you could individually say, I want to drop the general fund, increase the fire a little bit up to a certain percentage up to the up to the maximum that it could be.

1686
02:13:56,480 --> 02:14:02,040
Well, why I'm saying that is because we're always a certain amount of short in the fire,

1687
02:14:02,040 --> 02:14:08,180
Levy guys, and I think fire is pretty important, and as you see, they're pretty minimal on their

1688
02:14:08,180 --> 02:14:15,220
asking, except for their reserves at this point, because you already know, they never had a lot of

1689
02:14:15,220 --> 02:14:20,640
extra in their fire to do anything. Most of the time that I've been here, we had to subsidize them,

1690
02:14:20,900 --> 02:14:25,000
just to make some of their payroll and stuff, so something to consider.

1691
02:14:25,560 --> 02:14:32,020
Yeah, I guess that all depends on whether or not you want the philosophy of, I want to

1692
02:14:32,020 --> 02:14:36,000
that can only be spent on this purpose, or you say, no, I don't need to let me specifically

1693
02:14:36,000 --> 02:14:40,580
for that, let me for the general fund, and then if need be, you supplement those budgets

1694
02:14:40,580 --> 02:14:42,280
and you can use that money for other things.

1695
02:14:42,700 --> 02:14:42,820
It's...

1696
02:14:42,820 --> 02:14:47,520
Well, fire would be good for restricted, they couldn't be taken way later, because that's what

1697
02:14:47,520 --> 02:14:52,160
happened back in the day, is they, you know, didn't even tired and some other stuff, so it's

1698
02:14:52,160 --> 02:14:52,880
like $2 million.

1699
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:07,560
Long story short, I think it's something we need to look at, I'm going to get increased fair. We thought that was important and that was a pretty big bump.

1700
02:15:07,600 --> 02:15:19,200
That was a huge bump. But I'll keep saying, for fire, you have 450 to a 500-some fireman that use these services through fire administration that make a difference.

1701
02:15:19,200 --> 02:15:27,480
Yeah, I'm going to make one comment regarding the fire-living that it meet county, the county

1702
02:15:27,480 --> 02:15:31,880
share to support fire services is 40,000.

1703
02:15:31,900 --> 02:15:40,100
They pay the workers' comfort 20 give them 20,000 operational and that takes care of annually

1704
02:15:40,100 --> 02:15:47,620
the ask from all of the volunteer fire departments in the county so anyway when you go looking

1705
02:15:47,620 --> 02:15:53,800
at the fire level and what we're generating on that stuff, you know, look at what most counties

1706
02:15:53,800 --> 02:15:55,200
you're doing and how they operate.

1707
02:15:56,100 --> 02:15:56,320
So.

1708
02:15:56,380 --> 02:15:59,000
I have a comment on that, very just for facts.

1709
02:15:59,560 --> 02:16:06,680
So we have a lot more space and penitint space, meat counties, the, for, um, lamest.

1710
02:16:07,260 --> 02:16:14,300
I'm saying for how many fire departments we have and what we, uh, in the different districts

1711
02:16:14,300 --> 02:16:18,820
of how much we actually can get off them to make districts because we have districts and some

1712
02:16:18,820 --> 02:16:27,640
of those don't have any areas or space or what you say tax base in order to even fund them.

1713
02:16:29,040 --> 02:16:33,500
So how much have they done, how much do they help and meet county in other places, how much

1714
02:16:33,500 --> 02:16:38,000
just as Penny can county have to travel all over to help those other entities because they don't

1715
02:16:38,000 --> 02:16:42,720
enough services. That needs to be considered because we went to

1716
02:16:42,720 --> 02:16:45,480
Custer went to meet we went to a many different areas because they

1717
02:16:45,480 --> 02:16:48,940
don't have an environment. No there's mutual aid I get that but I'm just

1718
02:16:48,940 --> 02:16:54,180
when we're you know looking at increasing levies. Yeah I'll put it in

1719
02:16:54,180 --> 02:16:57,640
effective right here because as you go to this last one here and it talks

1720
02:16:57,640 --> 02:16:59,600
about county comparison.

1721
02:17:01,740 --> 02:17:06,160
Petty county's levy the total county levy 6.009

1722
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:12,760
Nobody else on here besides that Oglala Lakota even comes close to that number for the levy

1723
02:17:13,880 --> 02:17:16,300
You go back to the percentage of total tax bill

1724
02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:22,200
The same thing. I mean, I mean they do come closer, but depending to county you throw out

1725
02:17:22,780 --> 02:17:27,560
You throw out Oglala Lakota pending to county is the highest percentage of the tax bill

1726
02:17:27,560 --> 02:17:34,420
So yeah, we got some hot room for opportunity here because the total county 11 6.09 and the next highest one

1727
02:17:34,420 --> 02:17:41,200
is 4.2 or 5.5 with Oglala, Oglala, Oglala, Oco, you take them out of the picture.

1728
02:17:41,680 --> 02:17:44,620
The next highest one is Brookings County, that's 4.2.

1729
02:17:44,820 --> 02:17:49,220
And Oglala and some of them get some of them are using some of their pilt.

1730
02:17:50,060 --> 02:17:55,600
As we get for some of the land, the Forest Service land, we get pilt, which is 1 million something,

1731
02:17:56,320 --> 02:17:59,280
and it says you can use it for fire and other things, and that's what we use.

1732
02:17:59,280 --> 02:18:01,380
I'm talking about, this is our total county levees.

1733
02:18:01,480 --> 02:18:04,520
So when we're looking at total overall property taxes,

1734
02:18:05,260 --> 02:18:06,160
I'm talking fire.

1735
02:18:06,420 --> 02:18:07,180
Yeah, okay.

1736
02:18:07,260 --> 02:18:09,000
So I said, I said, way to into that.

1737
02:18:09,340 --> 02:18:12,380
This, when you talk about levees, when you want to increase anything,

1738
02:18:12,480 --> 02:18:16,200
you better look at this whole scenario right here that, you know,

1739
02:18:17,000 --> 02:18:19,740
you use really hot hot county for example,

1740
02:18:20,380 --> 02:18:24,180
our dollars is $41, there's is $49.5.

1741
02:18:24,520 --> 02:18:26,780
Well, if you look at the levees up there,

1742
02:18:26,780 --> 02:18:29,460
Do you want safety or do you want economics?

1743
02:18:30,060 --> 02:18:32,220
I'm not talking about the fire department, I'm talking about anything.

1744
02:18:32,240 --> 02:18:34,840
I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about up there.

1745
02:18:35,100 --> 02:18:37,880
How much are you given to the fairgrounds?

1746
02:18:37,980 --> 02:18:40,580
Are you in to safety or are you in to economic fire?

1747
02:18:40,840 --> 02:18:44,560
Fire, fire, levees are specifically made for those jurisdictions correct?

1748
02:18:45,360 --> 02:18:46,360
You're not going to get a levee.

1749
02:18:46,360 --> 02:18:48,260
What a little city for fire.

1750
02:18:48,600 --> 02:18:50,820
No, the county has a fire, levee.

1751
02:18:51,100 --> 02:18:54,900
The county levee is laid over all non-taxing entities.

1752
02:18:54,900 --> 02:18:57,720
So if there is a fire district or an ambulance district,

1753
02:18:57,720 --> 02:19:00,460
et cetera, and they're living their own levy,

1754
02:19:00,580 --> 02:19:02,780
that fire levy does not lay over the top

1755
02:19:02,780 --> 02:19:04,400
of those other taxing entities,

1756
02:19:05,060 --> 02:19:06,360
it's just like the library levy.

1757
02:19:06,400 --> 02:19:09,340
The library levy does not hit the miscellities

1758
02:19:09,340 --> 02:19:10,280
to have a library.

1759
02:19:10,460 --> 02:19:12,240
It's everybody on the outside.

1760
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:16,040
So you don't have double taxation over taxing districts.

1761
02:19:16,940 --> 02:19:18,820
I'm saying some districts have no money.

1762
02:19:19,220 --> 02:19:20,300
There's no taxing district.

1763
02:19:21,860 --> 02:19:23,980
This is something definitely we can look at for sure.

1764
02:19:23,980 --> 02:19:29,900
But I just want to lay out that these numbers are good to be able to say where are we at?

1765
02:19:29,960 --> 02:19:37,240
We can look at it and go, okay, here's pending to county where on the top for a total county

1766
02:19:37,240 --> 02:19:48,220
levied by a long shot and dollars spent or dollars, I mean, we're pushing many ha counties dollars,

1767
02:19:49,600 --> 02:19:55,380
You know, and this was the last available data from the Department of Revenue, they have these reports publicly available online.

1768
02:19:55,460 --> 02:19:57,500
So this is technically for payable 2022.

1769
02:19:58,000 --> 02:19:59,880
That was the last time that they had a recap report.

1770
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:11,180
No, I'm sorry, Brookings County, 26.9, and then Mead County, 26.88, so percentage of the tax bill, pardon?

1771
02:20:13,220 --> 02:20:26,420
And then, yeah, if you go to the slide after that, when you see the breakdown of the total tax bill in that, yes, 27.47 is the county's percentage, but 50.09% of that is the schools.

1772
02:20:26,420 --> 02:20:28,880
And so that's very common in most of the areas.

1773
02:20:29,020 --> 02:20:35,240
The tax bill is almost notoriously leaning towards the school's levy, which, you know,

1774
02:20:35,260 --> 02:20:40,800
the county collects and then gives to them, but doesn't really see anything from that.

1775
02:20:41,200 --> 02:20:48,220
I'm just looking at the role the county plays in the percentage that's taken in comparison

1776
02:20:48,220 --> 02:20:49,200
to every other county.

1777
02:20:49,200 --> 02:20:58,640
is a good chart. You like these chart from? Here in numbers, guys. These really break things

1778
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:03,540
down. And then obviously this chart here, everybody should be aware of a total tax bill,

1779
02:21:03,640 --> 02:21:11,680
like you'd mentioned. You know, the cities at 12.85, but they collect sales tax, which

1780
02:21:11,680 --> 02:21:16,860
really would help alleviate a lot of the issues with our jail and all those types of things.

1781
02:21:16,860 --> 02:21:22,940
you know, you look at alcohol, consumption, and what that causes in the legal system in

1782
02:21:22,940 --> 02:21:30,860
Rapid City, and in Pennington County. It's insane. We don't collect enough to even

1783
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:37,840
hardly cover that with property taxes. But anyway, that's a very good lesson,

1784
02:21:38,120 --> 02:21:40,720
they're a very good exercise to handle.

1785
02:21:40,720 --> 02:21:46,220
So we want a budget provisional personnel, over of you.

1786
02:21:46,720 --> 02:21:49,480
Sure, anybody, go ahead and give us a little update on that, please.

1787
02:21:51,950 --> 02:21:54,870
So we were asked to help calculate personnel figures.

1788
02:21:55,350 --> 02:21:59,210
We have been working hard on compiling a bunch of different source information

1789
02:21:59,210 --> 02:22:03,470
to try to come up with some sort of snapshot, some sort of baseline that we can give you guys

1790
02:22:03,470 --> 02:22:08,330
to start getting really rough but estimated figures for personnel costs.

1791
02:22:09,010 --> 02:22:12,330
These preliminary figures that I'm going to be presenting in the next couple of slides,

1792
02:22:12,610 --> 02:22:14,470
they don't include increases.

1793
02:22:14,650 --> 02:22:17,030
They don't include benefit premium increases.

1794
02:22:17,210 --> 02:22:19,670
They don't include any extra shift differential pay.

1795
02:22:19,810 --> 02:22:21,070
They don't include out of class pay.

1796
02:22:21,150 --> 02:22:26,410
They don't include anything other than just what their base wage currently is as it stands

1797
02:22:26,410 --> 02:22:27,270
right now.

1798
02:22:27,550 --> 02:22:32,630
And then for open positions, we calculated everything at a family plan for benefits as well.

1799
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:45,530
I did give a little bit of an overtime calculation in there at 4% for non-exempt public safety personnel and then 2% for all of the non-exempt personnel that aren't part of the public safety areas.

1800
02:22:46,430 --> 02:22:52,730
That's just a little earmark because you know you're probably going to need to include some overtime, just not sure what that number should be.

1801
02:22:52,870 --> 02:22:58,590
This is just a way I've done it before and the numbers looked kind of close to the way they were coming in with our actuals over the last five years.

1802
02:22:58,590 --> 02:23:03,330
So it seemed like a good starting point to have these grab those numbers off of the five-year

1803
02:23:03,850 --> 02:23:04,370
actuals.

1804
02:23:04,430 --> 02:23:12,830
So those are numbers that a common everyday person would consider fair, I mean, or fair

1805
02:23:12,830 --> 02:23:17,470
as a history of the right, but I was going to say Commissioner Durga had a point.

1806
02:23:17,630 --> 02:23:24,750
No, my comment on that is we made some policy changes that should lessen the liability

1807
02:23:24,750 --> 02:23:30,030
of that over time calculation because we're no longer paying accrued leave and counting, you

1808
02:23:30,030 --> 02:23:35,850
know, sick leave and vacation leave and all of those other leave benefits as over time.

1809
02:23:36,970 --> 02:23:43,270
So, getting back to actual hours worked accounting for over time versus all the leave time

1810
02:23:43,270 --> 02:23:44,750
should help on that number.

1811
02:23:45,150 --> 02:23:49,590
And we'll definitely be working on some fine tuning and really honing in on all this data

1812
02:23:49,590 --> 02:23:53,630
as we move forward through the budget process. I will state that in these figures,

1813
02:23:53,630 --> 02:23:58,650
there were 52 benefited open positions that we had and then some of those we already know have

1814
02:23:58,650 --> 02:24:03,690
been filled but we had to create a snapshot and so our snapshot in time was 16 of 25 so we

1815
02:24:03,690 --> 02:24:08,030
just left it right there and we know moving forward we're going to make the adjustments all the way

1816
02:24:08,030 --> 02:24:12,630
up through September so that we can have really good personnel figures in that final budget number

1817
02:24:12,630 --> 02:24:14,490
so that we're really tied on that.

1818
02:24:16,870 --> 02:24:20,790
I think it's important when you put points of consideration

1819
02:24:20,790 --> 02:24:24,750
and policy provision on new higher promotion and step-in increases because step-in

1820
02:24:24,750 --> 02:24:30,030
increases, I think, without being able to calculate those to a certain extent, have caused

1821
02:24:31,090 --> 02:24:35,790
us some budget increases that we were unforeseen.

1822
02:24:37,070 --> 02:24:43,550
So I think that's going to be huge on how we move forward with the employees and department

1823
02:24:43,550 --> 02:24:46,530
has in order to figure out and keep a balanced budget.

1824
02:24:48,470 --> 02:24:48,670
Sure.

1825
02:24:49,670 --> 02:24:49,950
Watching.

1826
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:12,040
2022, or 2022, 2023, just the increase on personnel was 4 million. But the adding the

1827
02:25:14,040 --> 02:25:26,660
all the benefits was another five. So, $9 million. So, then from 23 to 25, or let's say 26, you had basically

1828
02:25:26,660 --> 02:25:36,220
a $10 million increase this day in wages and then we did not consider the 13 million that

1829
02:25:36,220 --> 02:25:42,160
it cost all together for those increases. So when we were doing all the wage scale in

1830
02:25:42,160 --> 02:25:47,980
everything else, you put 3.6 in there but you did not put the benefits and stuff in there

1831
02:25:47,980 --> 02:25:53,660
so what happened is I don't know if department heads did it maybe they did and I don't know

1832
02:25:53,660 --> 02:25:59,700
they did it just through the years on all the exceptions and things we did that it came in

1833
02:25:59,700 --> 02:26:08,300
even from 2020 to 2023, 2026 or 25. That was a $21 million increase and the biggest

1834
02:26:08,300 --> 02:26:15,560
increase was from 23 to 26 of $10 million and that's what I was talking about trying to sustain

1835
02:26:15,560 --> 02:26:23,640
that and how we fix that or some of its basically policy we talked about it, new hire and

1836
02:26:23,640 --> 02:26:27,300
I'll keep saying on the wage scale, I don't think all the numbers were transparent.

1837
02:26:28,020 --> 02:26:33,880
I don't think the numbers fit in with this budget and what is done to our budget this year

1838
02:26:33,880 --> 02:26:39,360
for having to do all these cuts in order to provide for that wage scale and unforeseen costs

1839
02:26:39,360 --> 02:26:43,420
that weren't transparent in budget process.

1840
02:26:44,180 --> 02:26:48,140
And that's some of the things that hopefully in the future and we are correcting that at

1841
02:26:48,140 --> 02:26:48,600
this time.

1842
02:26:48,600 --> 02:26:51,600
but like we said, with stepping creases and things

1843
02:26:51,600 --> 02:26:53,580
and just two hundred and ninety job descriptions,

1844
02:26:53,780 --> 02:26:57,540
how do you provide and how do you make it?

1845
02:26:57,720 --> 02:26:59,860
So it's fair and just across the county

1846
02:26:59,860 --> 02:27:02,920
when Sheriff might have a count and three at a number

1847
02:27:03,860 --> 02:27:06,880
and the highway might have a count and three at another number.

1848
02:27:07,460 --> 02:27:09,180
That needs to be changed on.

1849
02:27:09,320 --> 02:27:11,920
I think even some of the stuff of how we did

1850
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:14,520
some of that wage policy in order to correct

1851
02:27:14,520 --> 02:27:17,220
what's moving forward and make this county

1852
02:27:17,220 --> 02:27:26,600
So it's not, I'll just tell you, and deficit with wages, because this tells you, that's

1853
02:27:26,600 --> 02:27:31,220
a huge increase for our county to try to hit with, and then we also went through with Davis.

1854
02:27:31,780 --> 02:27:34,600
We have 7.2 employees per thousand.

1855
02:27:35,400 --> 02:27:43,340
We are over double of what other counties are, let alone the national average, is 4 to 5 per

1856
02:27:43,340 --> 02:27:43,740
thousand.

1857
02:27:43,740 --> 02:27:49,360
So, something's got to change in that area for anything county to make us sustainable for the future.

1858
02:27:49,580 --> 02:27:59,920
And we said that last year as well in the last few years, just to make those wages transparent and make sure those wages are accounted for in a hole.

1859
02:28:00,100 --> 02:28:06,420
Yep, and we'll be working as department has to try to refine this data and keep it transparent and make sure that we're being responsible for sure.

1860
02:28:06,420 --> 02:28:11,400
and you have been just from seeing that what you have done has been miraculous just to see the numbers

1861
02:28:11,400 --> 02:28:16,100
and see the numbers as a whole has been good with you and and kenner and then I went through

1862
02:28:16,100 --> 02:28:23,180
some other stuff with kenner on the Davis on how many FTEs so no it's been great to have you

1863
02:28:23,180 --> 02:28:30,460
to in office and to know the factual information and all the data in order to make a good decision so thank you

1864
02:28:30,460 --> 02:28:36,080
Mr. Chair yes so George getting back to the five year approved budget history under

1865
02:28:36,080 --> 02:28:39,320
personnel that is wages and all the benefits tax is included.

1866
02:28:39,680 --> 02:28:43,300
That is everything. That's a full roll-up. So yeah, what I was going to say next is that when I

1867
02:28:43,300 --> 02:28:47,680
calculate the personal figures as I present them here, it includes regular wages. Any bonuses

1868
02:28:47,680 --> 02:28:52,800
like the time-up service bonus over time, as I've mentioned, taxes, retirement workers,

1869
02:28:53,020 --> 02:28:57,500
comp, and health insurance, that health dental life, all the all the insurance as well.

1870
02:28:57,880 --> 02:29:03,260
All right. So the budgets that were submitted to your office for personnel that came from the various

1871
02:29:03,260 --> 02:29:10,680
department, so the budget submission the commission has seen is a total personnel at 73

1872
02:29:10,680 --> 02:29:19,060
million, 768 and based on your calculations. You've got that trimmed down by over 3 million.

1873
02:29:19,640 --> 02:29:23,060
That's what we're seeing preliminarily in the data. We've reached out to all the department

1874
02:29:23,060 --> 02:29:26,620
heads again to make sure that we didn't miss anything that they know about. And again, we're

1875
02:29:26,620 --> 02:29:31,420
still talking flat. Some of them didn't include increases say to health insurance because they

1876
02:29:31,420 --> 02:29:36,160
something needs to increase, but we held all the numbers flat and then from here we're going

1877
02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:40,740
to present what it would cost if we're coming back with a 3% increase for health insurance

1878
02:29:40,740 --> 02:29:46,360
or what a 4% COOLO would be continued step increases. We're going to separate those out so

1879
02:29:46,360 --> 02:29:50,940
that you can see them individually as the pay increases basically the personnel packages

1880
02:29:50,940 --> 02:29:59,720
moving through the budget process. Oh, chair. One more question. Come as you heard,

1881
02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:11,000
What are the benefits that we can be as elected officials and what we're supposed to be getting or what other people have been getting in the past?

1882
02:30:11,640 --> 02:30:24,780
And moving forward, how does that look? Basically, the only thing I thought we had was basically perdium and travel, we could take and then we could take health insurance.

1883
02:30:24,780 --> 02:30:30,980
I want to know if there's any other benefits, if there's four commissioners, if the other five

1884
02:30:30,980 --> 02:30:35,320
have different benefits than the four commissioners, because I never looked up their benefits

1885
02:30:35,320 --> 02:30:35,640
people.

1886
02:30:35,880 --> 02:30:36,040
Okay.

1887
02:30:36,380 --> 02:30:38,900
I can, I'll tell you what you're talking about.

1888
02:30:39,380 --> 02:30:41,060
People like any elected official?

1889
02:30:42,140 --> 02:30:42,520
Well, any elected officials?

1890
02:30:42,520 --> 02:30:43,580
Pretty well spelled out, right?

1891
02:30:43,580 --> 02:30:49,500
Well, that's, well, before us it is, I didn't know if the other five had a different process

1892
02:30:49,500 --> 02:30:53,420
in what they can use besides the four elected if it's all the same.

1893
02:30:53,680 --> 02:30:54,420
I'd like to know.

1894
02:30:54,420 --> 02:30:55,440
I'll, I'll look at it.

1895
02:30:55,440 --> 02:30:55,840
I'm policy.

1896
02:30:56,300 --> 02:30:56,960
Thank you.

1897
02:30:57,680 --> 02:30:57,820
Yep.

1898
02:30:58,100 --> 02:31:02,960
Are you talking about, like, this conversation has come up about the time of service bonuses.

1899
02:31:03,420 --> 02:31:06,580
Those are just for benefited employees, not elected officials.

1900
02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:08,580
Up and by policy, I believe that is correct.

1901
02:31:09,160 --> 02:31:10,080
Just one of them.

1902
02:31:10,120 --> 02:31:11,560
I know of that came up in conversation.

1903
02:31:12,460 --> 02:31:12,840
Okay.

1904
02:31:13,020 --> 02:31:14,160
I hope there's something to get in it.

1905
02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:16,380
There's five commissioners anywhere, so there's another chair.

1906
02:31:18,460 --> 02:31:21,220
Some of this is for discussion and executive session.

1907
02:31:21,380 --> 02:31:22,360
We have personnel later.

1908
02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:23,000
Okay.

1909
02:31:23,240 --> 02:31:23,520
Thank you.

1910
02:31:24,740 --> 02:31:27,420
I'll keep moving on then if that's okay with the presentation.

1911
02:31:27,820 --> 02:31:33,880
But it would be nice to know the policy out front for the public.

1912
02:31:34,620 --> 02:31:34,800
Thank you.

1913
02:31:36,180 --> 02:31:36,840
All right.

1914
02:31:37,240 --> 02:31:38,620
So as we look at the next slide,

1915
02:31:38,700 --> 02:31:42,000
it's a breakdown of the current projected wage for 2026.

1916
02:31:42,060 --> 02:31:43,200
This is based off of our numbers,

1917
02:31:43,400 --> 02:31:45,160
not based off of the department of requests,

1918
02:31:45,160 --> 02:31:46,540
just for clarification there.

1919
02:31:46,900 --> 02:31:48,640
And how that percentage is broken down.

1920
02:31:48,940 --> 02:31:52,140
I've seen in smaller organizations that you get a lot more of a chunk

1921
02:31:52,140 --> 02:31:56,420
as the benefits as the health insurance and everything like that, but surprisingly, we have

1922
02:31:56,420 --> 02:32:04,280
76% of our projected compensation is wages in salaries, so that was kind of surprising to

1923
02:32:04,280 --> 02:32:08,600
see, because I expected something different. Health insurance still accounts for 10% of their

1924
02:32:08,600 --> 02:32:16,420
total compensation, but 76% in wages is a good thing. What's it supposed to be on average? On average,

1925
02:32:17,300 --> 02:32:23,560
I forgot. I ran those numbers like six years ago, and I think across the nation you

1926
02:32:23,560 --> 02:32:28,760
were looking usually at about 25 to 30% in the health insurance area, and so the rest

1927
02:32:28,760 --> 02:32:31,980
of that would be divided by wages, salaries, and taxes.

1928
02:32:32,520 --> 02:32:32,900
What was that?

1929
02:32:33,980 --> 02:32:38,380
Ars is 10% for insurance costs and 76% into the...

1930
02:32:38,380 --> 02:32:39,720
Is there high in the wages?

1931
02:32:43,400 --> 02:32:44,320
All right, moving on.

1932
02:32:44,900 --> 02:32:52,300
We also looked at, from our list, this was just an FTE account by department because I know that's a number we're trying to hammer down on.

1933
02:32:52,640 --> 02:32:57,380
So I want to explain as well that FTE is the full-time equivalent is different than our total head count,

1934
02:32:57,800 --> 02:33:02,660
because on our list, our head count counts the part-timers as one because it's a head count.

1935
02:33:03,160 --> 02:33:10,920
But that one part-timer could be just 520 hours a year, so that's like a 0.25 equivalent for a full-time employee.

1936
02:33:10,920 --> 02:33:15,800
And so we're looking at some of these. That's why you're seeing a point nine of a person or a point three of a person

1937
02:33:15,800 --> 02:33:20,340
That's just the full-time equivalent in hours and we're trying to get those also

1938
02:33:20,340 --> 02:33:24,940
Honed down. We're not a hundred percent confident in these figures yet, but we're really really close.

1939
02:33:25,020 --> 02:33:31,580
And we're working with the department head to make sure that we've got a good roster because we're going to be moving with the new Tyler system.

1940
02:33:31,620 --> 02:33:36,380
The auditor is going to be working with us to move into position budgeting so that we can actually have

1941
02:33:36,380 --> 02:33:40,220
each of the positions listed when it's open, when it's filled, all that kind of stuff

1942
02:33:40,220 --> 02:33:42,660
and it's going to be in our financial software as well.

1943
02:33:43,080 --> 02:33:46,160
So we'll have really good information by the time we get that launched, but you know,

1944
02:33:46,260 --> 02:33:48,940
we're going through the conversion right now, of implementing the new system.

1945
02:33:49,180 --> 02:33:53,160
And so, given time, we'll get there and you'll be able to sort that out on the future,

1946
02:33:53,560 --> 02:33:53,720
okay.

1947
02:33:54,380 --> 02:33:57,960
Yeah, and hopefully in this budget process, we'll get to know it's caused some confusion for

1948
02:33:57,960 --> 02:34:02,880
some people to understand it, but no, and it comes down to the comment that I've made,

1949
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:07,200
that we need to, you know, I think we have in the neighborhood of 270 job descriptions,

1950
02:34:07,720 --> 02:34:13,380
and we need to be budgeting based on, you know, the job descriptions, and saying is

1951
02:34:13,380 --> 02:34:19,640
at 50 deputies, 50 correctional, is it to, you know, how many in the treasures office based

1952
02:34:19,640 --> 02:34:25,280
on job title and goes back to Commissioner Hatcock's point, that I believe that the commission

1953
02:34:25,280 --> 02:34:31,540
needs to have a better handle on that because I can see promotions going when we, for example,

1954
02:34:31,540 --> 02:34:37,840
we've frozen step increases for the year we didn't budget for that yet I'm seeing some internal

1955
02:34:37,840 --> 02:34:44,000
promotions within departments we're in and I'll say it again one position in the Treasurer's

1956
02:34:44,000 --> 02:34:50,380
office moving to another level position that 95% of the job description is the same yet that

1957
02:34:50,380 --> 02:34:57,080
employee got a $13,000 pay increase and getting back to what I think Commissioner Ross Connect

1958
02:34:57,080 --> 02:34:59,980
and Commissioner Drew spoke of about a month ago.

1959
02:35:00,980 --> 02:35:14,420
I'm in agreement with that we need to get back to again, I believe everybody's kind of on the same page, the ability of a department head to give up to 12 steps within a year as too much because how do you budget for that across your organization?

1960
02:35:14,420 --> 02:35:21,560
And so I think we need to tighten some of those things down as, you know, we've all talked about it in one form of fashion.

1961
02:35:22,120 --> 02:35:24,020
But we need to get a handle on the personnel.

1962
02:35:25,280 --> 02:35:28,600
And that's the frustration that our Commission offices had.

1963
02:35:29,360 --> 02:35:32,380
And our HR director is at our HR processes.

1964
02:35:34,140 --> 02:35:38,580
And accounting for the employees throughout the organization is fractured.

1965
02:35:38,940 --> 02:35:41,180
And we need to get a better handle on it.

1966
02:35:44,250 --> 02:35:44,470
All right.

1967
02:35:44,470 --> 02:35:47,130
I'll move forward if there's no other questions on that slide.

1968
02:35:49,010 --> 02:35:50,950
So let's look at the personal options at a glance.

1969
02:35:51,050 --> 02:35:57,790
This is just quick overview numbers to give you an idea of what it would cost if we were to add in some pay increases.

1970
02:35:58,590 --> 02:36:06,670
So we looked at a 1% COLA, a 2.9% COLA, which matches CPI and a 4% COLA, just to see what that approximate cost would be.

1971
02:36:06,930 --> 02:36:12,650
As you can see, the 1% would probably add with wages, taxes, all that stuff, about 1.1 million,

1972
02:36:12,650 --> 02:36:17,650
that would be a 1.6% increase. If we just did a 1% COLA across the board for every position

1973
02:36:17,650 --> 02:36:22,430
that's eligible for a COLA. If we went all the way up to the 4%, we're looking

1974
02:36:22,430 --> 02:36:27,970
then in the area of about $3 million, a 4.29% increase to the budget numbers. That's

1975
02:36:27,970 --> 02:36:31,430
not budget numbers. Sorry, to the numbers I've presented. Let's put it that way.

1976
02:36:32,710 --> 02:36:38,250
What you see there though is when we looked at the department requests where they were 3.5 million

1977
02:36:38,250 --> 02:36:42,530
higher than what we're coming up with on the spreadsheet if we were then to reinvest some

1978
02:36:42,530 --> 02:36:49,010
of that 3 million we could afford to do a 4% COLA and continued step increases if the rest

1979
02:36:49,010 --> 02:36:53,870
of the budget was balanced well enough which who knows but I don't want to staff to balance

1980
02:36:53,870 --> 02:36:57,550
a budget on the back of the employees and I don't think that's the boards intent either.

1981
02:36:58,530 --> 02:37:01,710
And so then down below we look at the additional considerations where we look at what the budget

1982
02:37:01,710 --> 02:37:07,130
impact is currently on the books for our time of service bonus for all eligible employees

1983
02:37:07,130 --> 02:37:13,770
is about $161,000 over time, as preliminary budget adheres about $1.6 million, and that number

1984
02:37:13,770 --> 02:37:18,090
could go up or down as I continue to work with the departments on what's a reasonable number,

1985
02:37:18,810 --> 02:37:23,670
because I did with that flat 2% for some offices. We look at the commission office. We're probably

1986
02:37:23,670 --> 02:37:27,150
not going to need 2% in over time, so we're probably going to be able to reduce that down.

1987
02:37:27,930 --> 02:37:32,630
1% possibly not sure. Other departments, like I believe the register of deeds, has said they don't

1988
02:37:32,630 --> 02:37:38,910
have over time so there may not even be a need for more than a 1% for that. It all depends

1989
02:37:38,910 --> 02:37:43,010
on these individual conversations I'll be having with them.

1990
02:37:44,530 --> 02:37:52,550
So, George, 27% back in the day got a certain amount of raises in the 73% got the other.

1991
02:37:52,930 --> 02:38:01,610
Why I say that is because if you look at the average from maybe like 23, maybe even 22 and

1992
02:38:01,610 --> 02:38:09,470
see the percentage on each employee and what those increases were? Is it fair to say maybe

1993
02:38:09,470 --> 02:38:17,890
I'm wrong that some people got 36% or whatever and some people are still playing the game

1994
02:38:17,890 --> 02:38:25,610
at 4% and the step increase. So some employees got job description changes that changed it

1995
02:38:25,610 --> 02:38:32,110
up or I don't know maybe some little down. I don't know I don't think so. But how does that

1996
02:38:32,110 --> 02:38:37,190
balance out with saying everybody should get another race? Because for me, the people that

1997
02:38:37,190 --> 02:38:42,650
are increasing at a certain percentage and don't get me wrong, if you're getting, like,

1998
02:38:43,450 --> 02:38:49,410
like, Commissioner Durset and we said before, if you got a promotion, if you got, if you ended up

1999
02:38:49,410 --> 02:38:55,370
doing classes if you I got all that but some people didn't change job descriptions and got

2000
02:38:55,370 --> 02:39:01,270
10 to $12,000 raises some did it because you already know I'm like a say because it's

2001
02:39:01,270 --> 02:39:08,770
not nice anyway so long story short is it fair to say that everybody should get a raise across

2002
02:39:08,770 --> 02:39:18,430
the board if some people stayed at a 3% raise for 5 to 10 years and some got 38% not based

2003
02:39:18,430 --> 02:39:24,810
promotion, not based, and how would you determine that? Because for me, I did run the numbers,

2004
02:39:24,990 --> 02:39:29,430
and I'm not going to say the numbers right now, because we'll be here for a while. I ran the numbers.

2005
02:39:29,990 --> 02:39:36,430
Just in one year, some people got 13 percent, it started at 33 percent, and the average was 9 percent.

2006
02:39:38,030 --> 02:39:47,970
How did you do that plus the increases? So, the steps. And like Mr. Durstead, we've been watching this process,

2007
02:39:47,970 --> 02:39:55,150
at least I have since 21 till 25 and it's been out of line to the point where people

2008
02:39:55,150 --> 02:39:59,730
have got raises and if you look at them 47% some people.

2009
02:40:00,020 --> 02:40:09,980
So how is it fair if, okay, let's say Julie, I don't know who Julie is. So she's been here 10 years and she's ended up doing it. Maybe maybe her performance I get that.

2010
02:40:10,120 --> 02:40:16,620
That's another thing we need to talk about. We'd like to see the performance evaluations of the departments in why.

2011
02:40:16,620 --> 02:40:24,400
And instead of some other excuses that I remember in the back room where I decided I was

2012
02:40:24,400 --> 02:40:27,840
going back there anymore because they weren't transparent and number one they weren't

2013
02:40:27,840 --> 02:40:29,520
reasons why you should be given raises.

2014
02:40:30,820 --> 02:40:35,360
So long story short, how do you make it and maybe Mr. Durry you can answer it?

2015
02:40:35,440 --> 02:40:39,300
How do you make it fair across the board after what we have seen on those percentage increases

2016
02:40:39,300 --> 02:40:45,780
and telling some people you get another increase and you just had 37% but you're at

2017
02:40:45,780 --> 02:40:54,840
What was the average? Three or four percent? Because of the kept saying we were given a four percent increase plus a step, but that's not what happened on paper.

2018
02:40:55,660 --> 02:41:08,640
So how do you do that to make sure the the employees are treated fairly? And that 22 year that 26 year is treated just as good as the one that just got that 80 or 30 percent.

2019
02:41:08,640 --> 02:41:12,020
And maybe there is no rhyme or reason with it.

2020
02:41:12,220 --> 02:41:17,140
But after seeing it on paper and having it ran on the percentage

2021
02:41:17,140 --> 02:41:19,800
and watching the percentage every year for the last

2022
02:41:19,800 --> 02:41:22,060
for sure, three years, it's been crazy.

2023
02:41:23,860 --> 02:41:27,340
So maybe someone and maybe your data will correct that

2024
02:41:27,340 --> 02:41:30,660
or show that a little bit different of how we make sure

2025
02:41:30,660 --> 02:41:33,220
that we can make sure it doesn't happen in the future.

2026
02:41:33,380 --> 02:41:35,600
But what happened to all the other ones that got these huge

2027
02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:36,420
increases.

2028
02:41:37,380 --> 02:41:38,780
Mr. Chair.

2029
02:41:39,800 --> 02:41:42,160
I'm going to take a run at this.

2030
02:41:43,560 --> 02:41:46,980
So, when you're looking at implementing and so, you know,

2031
02:41:47,060 --> 02:41:50,440
Jordan is giving us the percentages is what it would cost.

2032
02:41:50,840 --> 02:41:56,700
And so, when you're doing this, and you're saying that I'm going to give a 1%

2033
02:41:56,700 --> 02:42:01,600
cola, 2% cola, whatever that number is, and then step increases because the

2034
02:42:01,600 --> 02:42:08,780
adopted a wage scale, you take the individuals out of it and you're saying, I'm laying

2035
02:42:08,780 --> 02:42:14,260
this percentage increase, and if it's a cola you put it to the scale. And so it's not

2036
02:42:14,260 --> 02:42:20,620
related to individual employees that have been here for five years or ten years, etc. You're

2037
02:42:20,620 --> 02:42:25,920
saying that in my wage scale I'm applying this percentage increase of a cola to the wage

2038
02:42:25,920 --> 02:42:31,780
scale, the steps will change accordingly, you know, based on those dollar amounts, and I

2039
02:42:31,780 --> 02:42:37,060
think ours is, I don't know, it's not consistent, it's about a 1.5% between steps.

2040
02:42:37,880 --> 02:42:41,620
But anyway, you're not, you're saying, when you're doing that, that you're going to have

2041
02:42:41,620 --> 02:42:47,100
some confidence in a market saying that the market says that this job description pays a certain

2042
02:42:47,100 --> 02:42:53,200
amount, and so then you're just laying it to the scale, and then, you know, everybody based

2043
02:42:53,200 --> 02:42:58,060
on your time and service and we're out in the great and stuff, that's where you're going

2044
02:42:58,060 --> 02:42:58,640
to get that.

2045
02:42:58,720 --> 02:43:04,340
You don't go individually by employee and say, I think you need a three percent, I think

2046
02:43:04,340 --> 02:43:06,920
you need a four percent, you've been your 10 years.

2047
02:43:07,560 --> 02:43:12,700
We have policies and a wage scale in place for that and you only take these, don't look at it

2048
02:43:12,700 --> 02:43:18,220
as individuals and you lay it against the scale and let the scale which should be adjusted

2049
02:43:18,220 --> 02:43:20,540
to the market, look at that.

2050
02:43:20,540 --> 02:43:25,960
And so a snapshot of the market would kind of tell you a little bit about if we're going to

2051
02:43:25,960 --> 02:43:30,560
adopt what that cola is and or what the CPI has been.

2052
02:43:30,720 --> 02:43:35,800
And not typically, but you would relate the consumer price index is typically related to

2053
02:43:35,800 --> 02:43:36,360
a cola.

2054
02:43:36,820 --> 02:43:40,860
And I think that is what is at CPI number 2.9% care.

2055
02:43:41,620 --> 02:43:48,040
And then I think to help out because I got a little bit of a snapshot of last year's compensation

2056
02:43:48,040 --> 02:43:50,580
and study, but this would be a do-out for HR.

2057
02:43:51,060 --> 02:43:57,640
I think they presented it, but to come back, probably, I don't know if she could ever

2058
02:43:57,640 --> 02:44:07,620
ready by the 23rd, but then come back with a breakout as to how the new wage scale in that

2059
02:44:07,620 --> 02:44:15,780
three plus million dollars was implemented across the organization and show hourly worth the

2060
02:44:15,780 --> 02:44:21,160
dollars went, so three to half million, whatever that number is, how much of that went

2061
02:44:21,160 --> 02:44:26,180
to the hourly employees, how much of it went to, you know, exempt employees.

2062
02:44:27,960 --> 02:44:32,260
And I think it helps too, because again, we're going to have a larger number obviously

2063
02:44:32,260 --> 02:44:38,600
of hourly employees versus salary, but looking at how those dollars somewhat historically

2064
02:44:38,600 --> 02:44:40,640
have been laying across the organization.

2065
02:44:40,640 --> 02:44:49,180
And I do know in some conversations getting back to how we decide what we want to present

2066
02:44:49,180 --> 02:44:55,680
for the employees, I have had conversations with the sheriff about looking at a snap

2067
02:44:55,680 --> 02:44:59,540
analysis and looking at, for example, law enforcement.

2068
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:13,180
Is one, I know that, you know, and I think it was presented last year even when those numbers were presented to give law enforcement an increase that, you know, just local and our general area that they were still under market.

2069
02:45:14,000 --> 02:45:29,380
And so looking at, you know, and I think HR is looking at that, but coming up with a number and saying if we were going to try to inject a little bit more into the scale into law enforcement or if we have other areas that we have major anomalies.

2070
02:45:30,260 --> 02:45:36,820
You know, just at a glance, I think that overall, you know, most of the employees are within market.

2071
02:45:37,640 --> 02:45:43,720
And I agree with the 27% I don't think were, I think, the 73%.

2072
02:45:43,720 --> 02:45:49,380
That's 27% was over the top of what it should have been in the first place, based on

2073
02:45:50,720 --> 02:46:02,260
mark analysis and wage scale, or we mark analysis and compareables, and then you lay that scale, and we never saw that scale laid on compareables.

2074
02:46:02,520 --> 02:46:13,400
We were said we did, but I'll just tell you, and we didn't have all the data I believe to make a good decision for it, and then when this comes out, kind of like the buildings.

2075
02:46:13,400 --> 02:46:20,900
I think, and I'll keep saying, how are you going to make that sustainable with those numbers

2076
02:46:20,900 --> 02:46:27,880
plus trying to add for the next four years, a 4% 3% whatever, COLA, plus try to take care

2077
02:46:27,880 --> 02:46:31,320
of the employees with their benefits.

2078
02:46:31,960 --> 02:46:35,100
I always thought, last year, I'll be up straight, that the benefits should have been one of

2079
02:46:35,100 --> 02:46:38,780
the more positive things, and they should have spent some of the money on some of that wage

2080
02:46:38,780 --> 02:46:43,720
scale and all that study in those comparables and market analysis on taking care of some of

2081
02:46:43,720 --> 02:46:44,660
those benefits.

2082
02:46:45,460 --> 02:46:50,940
Instead of going behind the scenes and adding and adding in adding more costs, and here's

2083
02:46:50,940 --> 02:46:53,220
a funny thing, without changing budgets.

2084
02:46:53,840 --> 02:46:59,120
So to me what it did is by the time they did the wage scale, the unsustainability was by

2085
02:46:59,120 --> 02:47:03,680
the adding behind the scene stuff into where we are today, and when you lay that scale,

2086
02:47:03,840 --> 02:47:08,240
and if you lay that scale, I'll be up straight, I already know from just what I've seen

2087
02:47:08,240 --> 02:47:13,480
from other data that you guys have done, you lay that scale, I think if you say in the last

2088
02:47:13,480 --> 02:47:18,560
five years, because you can see the increase is phenomenally in the last three years of

2089
02:47:18,560 --> 02:47:25,140
10 million, people are going to understand what I meant by sustainable. And the sad part

2090
02:47:25,140 --> 02:47:32,600
is those hourly rates, those probably 73%, maybe less, 56% whatever. Those are ones that's

2091
02:47:32,600 --> 02:47:37,180
going to be that are going to be the issue with trying to catch up. And that's why I said,

2092
02:47:37,180 --> 02:47:39,980
how do you lay it and once you see it,

2093
02:47:40,240 --> 02:47:42,780
how do you lay it to make it so it's just across the board?

2094
02:47:44,640 --> 02:47:45,580
I'll just keep saying,

2095
02:47:45,660 --> 02:47:46,680
I don't think it was sustainable.

2096
02:47:47,020 --> 02:47:49,860
I don't think for the taxpayers or for our budgets,

2097
02:47:50,160 --> 02:47:54,140
as you see from the 70, some percent that is for employees,

2098
02:47:55,240 --> 02:47:56,720
I'm all in to take a care of the employees,

2099
02:47:56,900 --> 02:47:58,420
but it's got to be a fair Justin.

2100
02:47:58,940 --> 02:48:01,800
Again, how do you do it with 280 job descriptions?

2101
02:48:02,040 --> 02:48:03,460
I've never seen that in my entire life

2102
02:48:03,460 --> 02:48:04,940
and whoever said Mark and Analysis,

2103
02:48:04,940 --> 02:48:14,420
comparable on 288, and then telling, here's the bottom line, telling the department heads

2104
02:48:14,420 --> 02:48:21,200
that don't have the capacity and the knowledge to do what you guys are doing, and having

2105
02:48:21,200 --> 02:48:26,140
them do that was about the craziest thing I've ever seen because I think that's where your

2106
02:48:26,140 --> 02:48:27,420
bottom line came from.

2107
02:48:27,660 --> 02:48:31,980
They did their best to do what they were supposed to, and much of them told me they didn't

2108
02:48:31,980 --> 02:48:33,040
know how to do it.

2109
02:48:33,040 --> 02:48:34,620
Thank you, thank you, Commissioner Hacke.

2110
02:48:35,220 --> 02:48:35,800
Commissioner Hacke.

2111
02:48:35,940 --> 02:48:37,520
Can you have Commissioner Hacke,

2112
02:48:37,800 --> 02:48:40,220
expand on behind the scenes?

2113
02:48:40,420 --> 02:48:42,420
I'm a little confused on that.

2114
02:48:42,780 --> 02:48:45,540
We're talking about budget, or we're getting into a,

2115
02:48:46,820 --> 02:48:49,580
I think we're, yeah, I think I've been off course.

2116
02:48:49,800 --> 02:48:50,760
I'm here for a budget.

2117
02:48:51,300 --> 02:48:52,820
Okay, Mr. Chairman.

2118
02:48:54,300 --> 02:48:55,280
Good luck.

2119
02:48:55,280 --> 02:48:57,700
I would ask if we could just skip that.

2120
02:48:58,440 --> 02:49:01,060
And one thing I would like to see that I think would help

2121
02:49:01,060 --> 02:49:05,720
And if you could get HR to assist with that,

2122
02:49:06,040 --> 02:49:09,060
and that is a five, I see the increases in the wages

2123
02:49:09,060 --> 02:49:10,300
over five years.

2124
02:49:10,800 --> 02:49:13,900
And but what I would like to see is the five-year history

2125
02:49:13,900 --> 02:49:17,480
is to what we've given for, approve, step increases,

2126
02:49:18,340 --> 02:49:19,320
and cost-a-living.

2127
02:49:20,440 --> 02:49:23,920
And so five years goes for coal and step increases.

2128
02:49:24,420 --> 02:49:28,220
And I think last year was just the inflection

2129
02:49:28,220 --> 02:49:37,240
of the way to study that went into it and no step increases and then it would kind of give

2130
02:49:37,240 --> 02:49:43,500
us and then maybe at the same time that you're compiling that put in what the CPI was at

2131
02:49:43,500 --> 02:49:44,400
that year.

2132
02:49:44,740 --> 02:49:49,880
So give a CPI what we said that we were going to give and what the step increases were.

2133
02:49:50,120 --> 02:49:52,100
Can't do.

2134
02:49:52,360 --> 02:49:52,800
Thank you.

2135
02:49:53,080 --> 02:49:56,620
I just want to comment that like I mentioned earlier, it's coming to work around in our

2136
02:49:56,620 --> 02:49:59,980
block more on real block. That's what we are now. So let's-

2137
02:50:00,140 --> 02:50:03,840
We are dealing with what we've got, commissioner, commissioner.

2138
02:50:04,180 --> 02:50:20,820
So when we talked about these increases and what not, is that not some of that responsibility of the department head to make that decision on who gets what based on their contribution to the county as far as their work ethics and what they put in?

2139
02:50:20,820 --> 02:50:24,040
I mean, to me, an employee that doesn't perform,

2140
02:50:24,260 --> 02:50:27,200
doesn't deserve a race, an employee that overperforms,

2141
02:50:27,200 --> 02:50:28,900
needs a little bit more than normal.

2142
02:50:29,100 --> 02:50:30,960
That's the way I always see it.

2143
02:50:31,080 --> 02:50:32,560
So I think that's somewhat fair.

2144
02:50:32,660 --> 02:50:34,780
Yeah, I've got a comment related to that because I

2145
02:50:34,780 --> 02:50:35,720
100% agree.

2146
02:50:36,660 --> 02:50:40,500
And one thing I know that I've asked HR to work on,

2147
02:50:40,500 --> 02:50:42,140
and I think I had mentioned it before,

2148
02:50:42,860 --> 02:50:45,740
we currently don't have any valuation process in place.

2149
02:50:46,040 --> 02:50:49,120
So I think that that can lead to an issue of morale

2150
02:50:49,120 --> 02:50:50,060
within the department.

2151
02:50:50,060 --> 02:50:55,780
And so if you're just giving step increases and you have somebody that's an underperformer

2152
02:50:55,780 --> 02:51:00,720
and then I'm getting my annual step increase, you have somebody else that is performing

2153
02:51:00,720 --> 02:51:06,160
at a higher level, maybe they deserve two step increases or some adjustment to their pay

2154
02:51:06,160 --> 02:51:13,880
and we're not tracking performance reviews across the county and so employees are getting

2155
02:51:13,880 --> 02:51:19,100
in some departments, I'm not going to say oh, but I know that HR, we do not have a policy

2156
02:51:19,100 --> 02:51:27,020
that says you only get a step increase based on a positive performance review, we don't have

2157
02:51:27,020 --> 02:51:32,020
that in place and that's what I've asked that we work on getting performance review in a

2158
02:51:32,020 --> 02:51:36,880
plan in place and you're getting, it's just not you're getting an automatic step increase

2159
02:51:36,880 --> 02:51:42,100
because the board approved it, you're getting these additional paid benefits based on performance

2160
02:51:42,100 --> 02:51:49,080
and getting back to your point if you're not performing then obviously that needs to be

2161
02:51:49,080 --> 02:51:55,440
deal with, but I'm not in favor of giving, you know, just a carte blanche step increase across

2162
02:51:55,440 --> 02:52:00,780
the organization without having a plan and place that says it's only based on a positive

2163
02:52:00,780 --> 02:52:04,420
performance review on file with the human resources office.

2164
02:52:04,720 --> 02:52:06,680
Well, I'm just going to make one comment and we're going to move on.

2165
02:52:07,020 --> 02:52:11,600
And the point is that we're here where we are because we are, we're going to move forward.

2166
02:52:11,720 --> 02:52:14,400
We've got some good goals for mine.

2167
02:52:14,400 --> 02:52:20,460
one of the goals is obviously the jury pointed out was to have good policy and procedures in place

2168
02:52:20,460 --> 02:52:25,960
that we adhere to so basically want a commissioner or a department head or somebody comes into

2169
02:52:25,960 --> 02:52:32,220
the work at the county is like a plug-in plug they can come in to a solid environment understanding

2170
02:52:32,220 --> 02:52:35,480
the rules and how they're going to deal with stuff, how they're going to deal with employees,

2171
02:52:35,760 --> 02:52:41,780
how they're going to deal with employer raises longevity anything like that will be handled. It just

2172
02:52:41,780 --> 02:52:45,020
takes time right now this budget is taking a lot of our time and I'm going to give

2173
02:52:45,020 --> 02:52:49,420
kudos to Jordan just to getting this these numbers that make sense that I think makes

2174
02:52:49,420 --> 02:52:55,780
sense to a simple to simple to can read these things ago we obviously got some hurdles

2175
02:52:55,780 --> 02:53:05,020
to jump when we are double the employee per you know per population in any other county obviously

2176
02:53:05,020 --> 02:53:10,300
we want to make sure that we're comparing apples and apples and as we go along no defensive

2177
02:53:10,300 --> 02:53:14,780
mechanisms. We are going to make these changes, and that's the reality of it, and then

2178
02:53:14,780 --> 02:53:18,700
going forward, it's going to be a lot easier for the next commissioner, wherever it comes

2179
02:53:18,700 --> 02:53:23,220
in, the next department head, or whoever it may be comes in, and then we're going to utilize,

2180
02:53:23,660 --> 02:53:28,100
and we are going to hold accountable. All about a department, as you've seen today, the beginning

2181
02:53:28,100 --> 02:53:33,040
of it, the beginning of what we've seen today of a presentation. That was absolutely stellar

2182
02:53:33,040 --> 02:53:38,940
based upon the accountability of a person that was put into place by the commission in an

2183
02:53:38,940 --> 02:53:44,820
And it's taken to put control out department and yes, the department has will run their departments.

2184
02:53:44,840 --> 02:53:48,300
The elected officials will run their departments and we'll all be held accountable.

2185
02:53:48,560 --> 02:53:51,980
These numbers, this is the reality I look before, we'll get through this budget.

2186
02:53:52,680 --> 02:53:56,900
And then, you know, like it or leave it or whatever, it's going to happen.

2187
02:53:57,200 --> 02:53:58,440
I'm committed to making this change.

2188
02:53:59,120 --> 02:54:01,460
I think the rest of the commissioners are committed to making these changes.

2189
02:54:01,480 --> 02:54:03,740
So let's move forward, make these changes happen.

2190
02:54:03,880 --> 02:54:08,480
I think there was comments made earlier about, on my board coming from the sheriff's department.

2191
02:54:09,200 --> 02:54:12,380
It's the rest of me 100% I'm in, I want to be part of this team.

2192
02:54:12,840 --> 02:54:17,180
And I think that's the approach we all got to take because we're on this together and we're

2193
02:54:17,180 --> 02:54:20,700
going to move forward and we're going to make it happen and we're going to be a good

2194
02:54:20,700 --> 02:54:26,460
shining example of how government efficiencies can change and take place in a better manner.

2195
02:54:26,640 --> 02:54:28,440
So let's move on to the next item.

2196
02:54:29,040 --> 02:54:29,840
Which is.

2197
02:54:30,300 --> 02:54:31,800
I've got the next presentation.

2198
02:54:32,020 --> 02:54:34,220
It's going to be just a quick history on the outside agencies.

2199
02:54:34,220 --> 02:54:37,280
We have several agencies here that want to give a presentation.

2200
02:54:37,280 --> 02:54:40,260
And that had been requested to give financials and stuff like that.

2201
02:54:40,900 --> 02:54:42,380
So if it's okay, I can give it.

2202
02:54:42,680 --> 02:54:45,680
Yeah, let's move on to this move on.

2203
02:54:46,240 --> 02:54:47,120
So where are we at again?

2204
02:54:47,340 --> 02:54:47,800
What are you saying?

2205
02:54:48,400 --> 02:54:49,420
We're still on.

2206
02:54:49,660 --> 02:54:51,120
Yeah, we're outside agency history as well.

2207
02:54:51,400 --> 02:54:51,920
Okay, outside agency.

2208
02:54:52,580 --> 02:54:53,940
That's an interesting one too.

2209
02:54:54,180 --> 02:54:55,280
So all these are very interesting.

2210
02:54:56,000 --> 02:54:58,380
If you've never seen them before or don't understand them,

2211
02:54:59,220 --> 02:54:59,960
these are...

2212
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:07,700
I mean, broke down into simple terms. I mean, how much does the government of this county commission have to do with outside agencies?

2213
02:55:08,000 --> 02:55:18,360
I mean, reality is, we got X amount of dollar to do mandated positions and are these agencies taking care of their own business.

2214
02:55:19,240 --> 02:55:25,680
First, before they come to the taxpayers and asking for supplements to their budgets, whatever it may take.

2215
02:55:25,680 --> 02:55:32,340
So that's why we have these presentations to see, you know, obviously we have a finite amount

2216
02:55:32,340 --> 02:55:37,640
of dollars that's available and we have to make sure that they need the criteria that's

2217
02:55:37,640 --> 02:55:38,160
going forward.

2218
02:55:39,280 --> 02:55:39,820
Thank you.

2219
02:55:40,520 --> 02:55:40,680
Okay.

2220
02:55:40,840 --> 02:55:44,320
So I wanted to start this discussion just to make sure that we're all speaking the same

2221
02:55:44,320 --> 02:55:48,520
language and we've clarified a couple of points because there is some confusion about the

2222
02:55:48,520 --> 02:55:52,560
natures of these outside agencies whether or not they're contracted services, whether

2223
02:55:52,560 --> 02:55:54,480
or not they're mandated services.

2224
02:55:54,480 --> 02:56:02,340
And so we don't have a 100% complete list because that line is a little bit blurrious to who is just really a contracted service

2225
02:56:02,340 --> 02:56:07,820
And there's no mandate for it, and who are we granting money above and beyond and so it's

2226
02:56:08,220 --> 02:56:11,640
They'll get a little sticky in this discussion, but I wanted to clarify a few points with this

2227
02:56:12,020 --> 02:56:13,120
We'll do the

2228
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:15,060
There you go, you used to the sticky

2229
02:56:15,820 --> 02:56:24,460
So this is the list that we currently are tracking of all of the outside agencies that we either have agreements in place with contracts in place with

2230
02:56:24,460 --> 02:56:26,820
or we're just giving money to.

2231
02:56:27,320 --> 02:56:29,900
And so I'll skip past the whole list.

2232
02:56:30,020 --> 02:56:31,900
We don't need to get into these details too much.

2233
02:56:32,380 --> 02:56:35,200
What I wanted to talk about was the idea of mandated

2234
02:56:35,200 --> 02:56:36,700
versus non-mandated.

2235
02:56:37,220 --> 02:56:40,440
What you find is that mandated services

2236
02:56:40,440 --> 02:56:42,940
is what we usually encounter in SDCL.

2237
02:56:43,420 --> 02:56:47,780
We're not rarely ever said you have to give money to this person.

2238
02:56:48,400 --> 02:56:51,720
It is, you must spend money on these services.

2239
02:56:52,340 --> 02:56:53,760
And so we've got several services

2240
02:56:53,760 --> 02:56:57,400
that are supported by a levy, which means these are restricted funds that have to be

2241
02:56:57,400 --> 02:57:01,880
expended on specific functions. Whether or not those services are mandated, usually

2242
02:57:01,880 --> 02:57:06,340
depends on, for example, the county library. It's because the people voted to have a

2243
02:57:06,340 --> 02:57:10,680
library service. So in essence, it's not statutoryly mandated, but the people have given

2244
02:57:10,680 --> 02:57:14,980
that mandate to the board. And so you have to provide those services. But because you've

2245
02:57:14,980 --> 02:57:21,380
chosen to levy a county fair levy, you must, you must only spend those funds on county fair

2246
02:57:21,380 --> 02:57:26,120
stuff. You do not have to contract with Central State's bare ink to do it, but you have to

2247
02:57:26,120 --> 02:57:31,260
provide those services in some fashion with those funds. Same thing with county fire. These

2248
02:57:31,260 --> 02:57:35,100
are paid to fire departments, fall into your fire departments, and we use that money to staff

2249
02:57:35,100 --> 02:57:40,480
county or our county office to the fire administration. And it's not that you have to love

2250
02:57:40,480 --> 02:57:45,820
that county fire, but because you do, you must spend that money within fire services, trying

2251
02:57:45,820 --> 02:57:50,840
to provide the best services you can. And then there are a couple that we have to pay by statute

2252
02:57:50,840 --> 02:57:54,000
because of money we have collected or because of just mandates.

2253
02:57:54,680 --> 02:57:58,240
So SDCL 23A40 talks about indigent legal services.

2254
02:57:58,760 --> 02:58:00,720
This is statutory right for everyone

2255
02:58:00,720 --> 02:58:03,480
to have the right to an attorney, essentially.

2256
02:58:03,680 --> 02:58:05,520
No matter what your background is.

2257
02:58:05,840 --> 02:58:07,800
And so what we have chosen to do here in the county

2258
02:58:07,800 --> 02:58:09,760
is we have our public defender's office

2259
02:58:09,760 --> 02:58:12,820
that provides indigent and other legal services for people.

2260
02:58:13,300 --> 02:58:14,440
We've also got the court appointed

2261
02:58:14,440 --> 02:58:15,660
to attorneys, the private bars,

2262
02:58:16,040 --> 02:58:18,080
that also factors into this stuff.

2263
02:58:18,180 --> 02:58:19,900
And then we have our contract with the code of planes,

2264
02:58:19,900 --> 02:58:25,360
legal services for conflict cases and other legal services, that meets those statutes.

2265
02:58:25,640 --> 02:58:30,080
So the services are mandated, but how the county decides to do that is completely

2266
02:58:30,080 --> 02:58:31,380
at the discretion of the board.

2267
02:58:32,220 --> 02:58:35,660
Then you've got STCL-2510, which talks about domestic abuse.

2268
02:58:36,220 --> 02:58:40,180
We collect marriage fees and divorce fees and certain portions of those are put aside into

2269
02:58:40,180 --> 02:58:47,680
a specific domestic abuse fund, and they must be spent on, given to, I should say, an organization

2270
02:58:47,680 --> 02:58:53,600
that has a qualified domestic violence program, and so for our purposes right here that would be

2271
02:58:53,600 --> 02:58:58,160
the working against violence in Kwevy. They meet that qualification and then that's where those

2272
02:58:58,160 --> 02:59:02,740
services go. That's where the money goes, I should say. And then finally we've got the mental health

2273
02:59:02,740 --> 02:59:09,320
services which are paid as a statutory mandated, but it's two avoids statutory mandated charges

2274
02:59:09,320 --> 02:59:16,160
because in statute four mental health services provider is allowed to charge the county certain

2275
02:59:16,160 --> 02:59:21,640
amounts of money, but if we have a contract to a qualified mental health services provider,

2276
02:59:22,240 --> 02:59:26,540
like West River Mental Health, then we can avoid paying those statutory mandate to charges

2277
02:59:26,540 --> 02:59:27,780
up to a certain point.

2278
02:59:28,220 --> 02:59:33,200
And so that's why we pay for those services is because based on the census, we figure this

2279
02:59:33,200 --> 02:59:37,360
meets the statutory minimum so that we don't get immediately hit with those charges.

2280
02:59:38,280 --> 02:59:41,160
Do you have any questions on that mandated services?

2281
02:59:42,180 --> 02:59:42,720
Any questions?

2282
02:59:43,680 --> 02:59:45,620
So, it's going to be ask a good question.

2283
02:59:46,240 --> 02:59:51,940
If public defender and court-appointed are mandated, what is state's attorneys?

2284
02:59:52,800 --> 02:59:59,140
State's attorneys office is also mandated that they're the prosecuted side, it's a county office.

2285
02:59:59,140 --> 02:59:59,980
I was talking.

2286
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:05,700
I think specifically about the indigent legal services work, because we had public defender up there. I didn't know if you would.

2287
03:00:05,700 --> 03:00:11,220
Well, that was just to mention that we have an internal office that provides legal services for defense.

2288
03:00:11,660 --> 03:00:14,540
So it's mandated to have. It's mandated to have everyone.

2289
03:00:15,860 --> 03:00:23,840
Sheriff, all the other five elected, what's mandated in a county to have for county offices?

2290
03:00:23,840 --> 03:00:36,140
That will be a different slide, I guess, so we'll have to put that together because there's a lot more of the same thing where it's mandated positions, yes, but then mandated services and how you go about that is discretionary.

2291
03:00:36,140 --> 03:00:39,640
These are mandated services would not specific agencies.

2292
03:00:39,960 --> 03:00:44,840
We can, I can do that later, but I can, I can get you some information on that.

2293
03:00:45,080 --> 03:00:45,700
Thank you.

2294
03:00:46,980 --> 03:01:02,660
So we look at the 10 year total history of those agencies that I listed up there and it looks like we've paid 17.8 million dollars since 2015 to those agencies that does include a 1 million dollar payment to the volunteer fire departments in 2022 and 2023.

2295
03:01:03,320 --> 03:01:13,020
Those are the huge spikes you see there in the graph. I just wanted to make sure because anyone looking at that graph would go wow that's a huge jump and it's because those were two individual payments to the volunteer fire departments.

2296
03:01:13,020 --> 03:01:14,400
So it's actually a COVID-19 area.

2297
03:01:14,580 --> 03:01:14,980
So it was a COVID-19 area.

2298
03:01:15,080 --> 03:01:15,540
It was.

2299
03:01:15,600 --> 03:01:15,800
Yes.

2300
03:01:15,980 --> 03:01:16,700
One time COVID.

2301
03:01:17,080 --> 03:01:17,440
Yep.

2302
03:01:18,460 --> 03:01:19,900
Some of that's one time COVID up there.

2303
03:01:21,100 --> 03:01:21,260
Hm-hm.

2304
03:01:21,360 --> 03:01:23,560
That's just like, and then it drops back.

2305
03:01:23,600 --> 03:01:24,280
Yeah, sorry.

2306
03:01:24,540 --> 03:01:25,200
Go back to that.

2307
03:01:25,280 --> 03:01:25,500
Some would.

2308
03:01:25,500 --> 03:01:26,040
But not all.

2309
03:01:26,120 --> 03:01:27,040
I mean, not a long way.

2310
03:01:27,040 --> 03:01:28,140
Is it drops back somewhat?

2311
03:01:29,320 --> 03:01:29,480
Hm-hm.

2312
03:01:29,640 --> 03:01:31,580
And then in those recent years, also as we discussed,

2313
03:01:31,800 --> 03:01:35,060
we had a hike in the county fair, Levy, and stuff like that.

2314
03:01:35,060 --> 03:01:36,160
So you see those.

2315
03:01:36,400 --> 03:01:38,200
That's why it doesn't go all the way back down.

2316
03:01:38,800 --> 03:01:44,080
And then this was just a quick thing by agency you can go over this at your own leisure

2317
03:01:44,080 --> 03:01:47,440
You don't we don't have to do this from the public's time. So I believe

2318
03:01:49,840 --> 03:01:53,800
Yeah, change by agency too thing you you guys can look at these numbers if you want to later

2319
03:01:53,800 --> 03:02:02,080
And then I was asked to provide specific on the libraries and what the levy revenue was versus what we actually paid them because we do in the

2320
03:02:02,080 --> 03:02:08,360
Library fund and in the fair fund. We have a reserve essentially you that's accumulating right now

2321
03:02:08,360 --> 03:02:18,400
It's building up in balance and the question is always, well, do you want to set that to a certain number that we want to maintain in that fund because it doesn't seem as necessary for the county to hold that money?

2322
03:02:18,860 --> 03:02:26,320
If we're providing these services, we may want to just try to train that fund down to zero every year and deal with everything as it comes.

2323
03:02:26,640 --> 03:02:30,700
So let's just talking points for the libraries in the county fair. Do you know what those numbers are?

2324
03:02:30,700 --> 03:02:38,380
We have projected and anticipated end of your cash balance for 2025 in the library fund at about $197,000.

2325
03:02:38,820 --> 03:02:39,680
I'll bought like the fair.

2326
03:02:39,940 --> 03:02:41,780
And then the fair, 85,000.

2327
03:02:42,940 --> 03:02:45,360
So it's no real significant.

2328
03:02:46,140 --> 03:02:53,640
Well, yeah, the Lyon, having a restricted fund, because typically we have it like for the library,

2329
03:02:53,860 --> 03:02:59,720
we have those agreements and says, we're going to fund this amount, the base rate at 3% every year.

2330
03:02:59,720 --> 03:03:04,800
And then fun to that level. And so when we're paying that out and we still have a balance

2331
03:03:04,800 --> 03:03:10,440
of $197,000, then I would say, we need to lower the library,

2332
03:03:10,520 --> 03:03:14,640
let me collect less. And I want to do that anyway because, you know,

2333
03:03:14,780 --> 03:03:18,960
that's one thing is we get into the budget that I want to look at as reducing the amount

2334
03:03:18,960 --> 03:03:20,520
that we're collecting for the library,

2335
03:03:21,020 --> 03:03:23,780
and then reduce those agreements accordingly.

2336
03:03:23,780 --> 03:03:23,860
Okay.

2337
03:03:24,600 --> 03:03:25,980
So, thank you.

2338
03:03:28,000 --> 03:03:28,200
All right.

2339
03:03:28,700 --> 03:03:33,180
So, any other points of discussion before we can maybe hand some of those out-site agencies

2340
03:03:33,180 --> 03:03:33,960
to go forward.

2341
03:03:34,000 --> 03:03:34,580
Thank you.

2342
03:03:34,860 --> 03:03:35,100
All right.

2343
03:03:35,200 --> 03:03:40,840
Well, I don't know if we had a specific order for everybody, but is there someone here

2344
03:03:40,840 --> 03:03:42,620
from working against violence?

2345
03:03:43,600 --> 03:03:44,400
You're up first.

2346
03:03:50,430 --> 03:03:50,950
Oh, sorry.

2347
03:03:51,090 --> 03:03:53,470
Just stay your names and then what organization?

2348
03:03:55,110 --> 03:03:55,910
Good afternoon.

2349
03:03:56,070 --> 03:03:56,870
I'm Linda Schroll.

2350
03:03:57,030 --> 03:03:58,310
I'm the Executive Director for Wavie.

2351
03:03:58,310 --> 03:04:01,570
And I'm Kerry Burrard, I'm the finance director for Wavy.

2352
03:04:02,650 --> 03:04:05,230
So we're going to speak with you this afternoon.

2353
03:04:05,630 --> 03:04:08,730
Thank you for your time. We appreciate it.

2354
03:04:08,950 --> 03:04:10,910
We're going to talk to you a little bit about who we are.

2355
03:04:11,110 --> 03:04:12,650
I'll start with who we are, what we do.

2356
03:04:13,490 --> 03:04:16,470
And then what our ask is, specifically from the county.

2357
03:04:17,130 --> 03:04:20,530
And then I will turn it over to Kerry who will talk a little bit about our budget.

2358
03:04:21,590 --> 03:04:24,090
And what we, why we need the funding.

2359
03:04:24,090 --> 03:04:28,430
And then we will be willing to answer any questions that you might have.

2360
03:04:29,030 --> 03:04:31,350
So first of all, we are Wavie.

2361
03:04:31,490 --> 03:04:35,150
We have been a cornerstone in this community since 1978.

2362
03:04:35,850 --> 03:04:40,850
We are opened 365 days a year to 24 hours a day.

2363
03:04:41,230 --> 03:04:49,570
So we are counted on by our survivors and our community partners as AC Refuge for those

2364
03:04:49,570 --> 03:04:57,910
We serve. Specifically, we serve victims of domestic violence, sexual assault, human trafficking, and intimate partner stocking.

2365
03:04:58,390 --> 03:04:59,870
In 2020.

2366
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:09,160
We serve 2,752 survivors and provided 35,665 free of charge services.

2367
03:05:11,220 --> 03:05:17,520
One of the biggest services that we provide that everybody knows about is our safe emergency shelter.

2368
03:05:18,160 --> 03:05:41,300
So, when it's in the middle of the night or it's in the middle of the day, it does not matter, and we have a victim that is fleeing, that needs assistance for them, or they're failing due to an encounter of sexual assault or domestic violence, or they're for them, or the safe place they can go. Currently, we are the only emergency shelter that is serving that population.

2369
03:05:43,820 --> 03:05:49,340
Services that we provide, we provide emergency shelter, extensive case management, that includes

2370
03:05:49,340 --> 03:05:59,280
things like safety planning, housing, financial assistance, education, we do a lot of community

2371
03:05:59,280 --> 03:06:09,720
and partner and youth education. We do transportation, we help with rental deposits, we have an attorney

2372
03:06:09,720 --> 03:06:16,640
on staff that helps with protection orders, that and divorce and custody.

2373
03:06:21,110 --> 03:06:32,090
Our ask specifically, we have two asks, one is for $47,000 to cover 67% of the cost

2374
03:06:32,090 --> 03:06:36,370
of our case manager that is embedded in the public safety building.

2375
03:06:36,370 --> 03:06:43,210
the case manager, is there any time there is a call for domestic violence or sexual assault,

2376
03:06:43,570 --> 03:06:50,330
trafficking, she receives a copy of that report, then she attempts to make, she makes contact

2377
03:06:50,330 --> 03:06:55,310
with those survivors and then sends them on to babies so that we are able to continue that

2378
03:06:55,310 --> 03:07:01,010
care for them. That person also is there at the sheriff's office so that they are able to help

2379
03:07:03,910 --> 03:07:11,790
with coordination between the victim specialists and our agency so that we can provide the best services in the best cost effective way possible.

2380
03:07:13,650 --> 03:07:21,030
The other part that we are asking is to continue being the recipient of the divorce marriage fees.

2381
03:07:21,530 --> 03:07:35,950
Currently, we have been, we've used the recipient of those fees and we use those fees to ensure that we're open 24 at 7 so that when our law enforcement or our partners or survivors need a place to go, our law enforcement is there.

2382
03:07:36,170 --> 03:07:36,790
They respond.

2383
03:07:37,350 --> 03:07:43,650
They have a place to take and bring people and we can take over that care so they can go back to doing their job to protect our citizens.

2384
03:07:44,030 --> 03:07:46,510
Miss Linda, could I ask you again divorce and what fees?

2385
03:07:47,550 --> 03:07:47,610
Marriage.

2386
03:07:48,610 --> 03:07:50,950
It's out of the register of your service.

2387
03:07:51,650 --> 03:07:54,690
Yes, they go to know what that dollar is.

2388
03:07:54,690 --> 03:07:56,890
And you know what that dollar amount is?

2389
03:07:57,090 --> 03:07:59,590
It's approximately 10,000 a quarter.

2390
03:07:59,850 --> 03:08:00,230
It varies.

2391
03:08:00,410 --> 03:08:02,970
It can go from 8,000 to 12,000.

2392
03:08:03,090 --> 03:08:05,250
I would say about 40 a year.

2393
03:08:05,430 --> 03:08:06,070
40 a year?

2394
03:08:06,650 --> 03:08:06,810
OK.

2395
03:08:06,990 --> 03:08:08,230
Thank you, Miss Carey.

2396
03:08:08,670 --> 03:08:09,730
It's hard to interrupt the misled.

2397
03:08:09,870 --> 03:08:10,650
That's OK.

2398
03:08:13,250 --> 03:08:15,390
And then it's part of that.

2399
03:08:15,390 --> 03:08:22,070
funding that we get from the divorce and marriage fees, we use that for our shelter to be

2400
03:08:22,070 --> 03:08:30,270
staffed in open 24-7. We also use it for things like we provide a support group, we provide

2401
03:08:30,270 --> 03:08:35,570
education in our jail. So we're able to go in, we're able to help with safety planning, we're

2402
03:08:35,570 --> 03:08:44,050
able to help provide that education. So hopefully we know a lot of, say, practical back sorry,

2403
03:08:45,290 --> 03:08:55,840
We know that a lot of our, we know that addiction is something that our offenders use to control their victims.

2404
03:08:56,680 --> 03:09:13,500
So, when you go into the jail and you see, especially in our female population, and we have those, those people in the jail, that are there for nonviolent crimes, specifically the addiction.

2405
03:09:13,500 --> 03:09:17,780
A lot of times we know that that is that's part of their victimization, right?

2406
03:09:17,820 --> 03:09:21,940
So that when we're there and we're able to help them and able to give them that education

2407
03:09:21,940 --> 03:09:25,160
we're able to help with their exit planning, help them with safety planning,

2408
03:09:25,580 --> 03:09:29,380
there's a lot more likely that they're going to come to us then instead of returning to where they

2409
03:09:29,380 --> 03:09:33,180
once were, which then helps lower those risks as well.

2410
03:09:33,480 --> 03:09:38,680
And then also our our attorney, we have a attorney on staff that is able to help with protection

2411
03:09:38,680 --> 03:09:45,340
orders, so being able to help with that also helps the county because that's a free of charge

2412
03:09:45,340 --> 03:09:52,740
service that we can provide so that our our attorney's office can continue with all the

2413
03:09:52,740 --> 03:09:56,960
important and criminal work that they have to do, right, just to take that off.

2414
03:09:59,180 --> 03:09:59,820
Mr. Chair.

2415
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:08,120
Thank you for your service and much needed service and probably it's needed more and more each year with the way things are going.

2416
03:10:08,840 --> 03:10:12,060
So, am I reading this right? The total request is 47,000.

2417
03:10:12,400 --> 03:10:18,920
47,000 and then to continue to be continued to be the recipient of the marriage and divorce fee.

2418
03:10:19,720 --> 03:10:26,400
So, the ask is 47,000 over what we're statutorily required to provide.

2419
03:10:26,400 --> 03:10:33,460
So Jordan the list that you gave me then would that I have 85,000 that does that sound right

2420
03:10:35,460 --> 03:10:40,460
So that I have the total of under other

2421
03:10:45,010 --> 03:10:50,330
454 and 459 a total of three bayon or two million 395, 560

2422
03:10:51,050 --> 03:10:56,650
And then he broke that down for me. So then maybe I have 85,000 that's that sound right

2423
03:10:57,310 --> 03:11:01,630
that would be close. It's probably going to be 87,000 though. Okay, I just want to

2424
03:11:01,630 --> 03:11:06,650
just make sure I understood the. Okay. Thank you.

2425
03:11:07,770 --> 03:11:09,550
Any other questions here? Come here.

2426
03:11:09,890 --> 03:11:11,430
No, not a.

2427
03:11:12,070 --> 03:11:15,550
I may be have a question that may be either the sheriff or the

2428
03:11:15,550 --> 03:11:20,650
state attorney could answer and respect regards to this, but it gets back to

2429
03:11:21,510 --> 03:11:26,690
working in the public safety building with the, you know, an advocate and then the state

2430
03:11:26,690 --> 03:11:32,970
attorney's office has, you know, victims assistance and so my question is, you know,

2431
03:11:33,070 --> 03:11:36,730
we're already paying for victims assistance out of the state's attorney's office to provide

2432
03:11:36,730 --> 03:11:42,650
that and we've added over the years, I know, because of mandated law, you know, additional

2433
03:11:42,650 --> 03:11:47,670
staffing regarding that and it just seems like on some of these outside entities that are

2434
03:11:47,670 --> 03:11:54,750
providing a service where I'd be providing that internally with our, you know, county offices so that would be my question.

2435
03:11:58,460 --> 03:12:01,820
Lord, did you want me to take a stab without you? I'll Brian to do this on Zoom.

2436
03:12:02,520 --> 03:12:05,520
Okay. Good morning.

2437
03:12:06,160 --> 03:12:13,160
Well, sort of afternoon now, I'm almost here. Brian, we love Penning County Sheriff and appreciate these guys coming in and sharing their information with you today.

2438
03:12:13,840 --> 03:12:18,400
And we've had a longstanding really good relationship with working against violence here in the community.

2439
03:12:18,400 --> 03:12:22,320
I just try to answer a commissioner to a specific question.

2440
03:12:22,380 --> 03:12:28,680
We do have two full-time advocates that work for the Sheriff's Office that are housed

2441
03:12:28,680 --> 03:12:36,740
alongside of the advocate that the case manager that WAB provides and the WAB advocate primarily

2442
03:12:36,740 --> 03:12:44,780
does intimate partner work and then our victims advocates work hand in hand with them too.

2443
03:12:44,780 --> 03:12:48,840
So we do, we do have two full-time positions that are doing similar work.

2444
03:12:49,440 --> 03:12:51,800
It's a little bit different. There's a little bit of overlap.

2445
03:12:52,760 --> 03:12:56,300
You know, we share in a lot of these higher profile cases. We share the workload.

2446
03:12:58,260 --> 03:13:03,340
But the two other positions we have are primarily funded by grants.

2447
03:13:03,900 --> 03:13:06,520
And they do work for both the place department and the sheriff's office.

2448
03:13:06,660 --> 03:13:10,640
And so it is the way we advocate. I think that they also have a similar ask.

2449
03:13:10,780 --> 03:13:14,760
I think to the city for providing part of that funding to, I don't know if it's the 47

2450
03:13:14,760 --> 03:13:15,320
and thousands.

2451
03:13:15,760 --> 03:13:17,280
I'm sure you can ask a question.

2452
03:13:17,960 --> 03:13:18,780
Commissioner Hattcock.

2453
03:13:18,980 --> 03:13:19,120
Go ahead.

2454
03:13:19,680 --> 03:13:25,420
I think the sheriff had 40 or 44, and then the state's attorney had another 40.

2455
03:13:26,040 --> 03:13:27,640
So is it 40 in the past?

2456
03:13:27,680 --> 03:13:29,840
Four plus the marriage and divorce license?

2457
03:13:30,160 --> 03:13:35,720
No, it's 22,500 from the state's attorney, 22,500 from the county and then plus the

2458
03:13:35,720 --> 03:13:38,040
marriage and divorce fees, which are at 40, 45.

2459
03:13:38,340 --> 03:13:42,020
So that's what adds that to the 80, yeah.

2460
03:13:42,540 --> 03:13:42,640
Okay.

2461
03:13:42,640 --> 03:14:07,340
Because I thought you're getting like 444, because that's when I saw on the budgets, but what it is is your advocacy, like you said, the 22 and 22, which was 44, and then the 40 from basically, and that's why it's in most different budgets, because of advocacy and probably the fees and the way they help stay to turn the helps with you guys, or you guys help stay to turn it with some of your victims.

2462
03:14:07,340 --> 03:14:12,380
So, the ask is not 225, you have listed 235.

2463
03:14:13,280 --> 03:14:20,100
Well, yeah, we wanted a small increase just to help with paid regular increases with health insurance.

2464
03:14:20,780 --> 03:14:20,860
Right.

2465
03:14:21,480 --> 03:14:26,400
And so, you know, when we look at these outside entities, it's going to, my philosophy is going

2466
03:14:26,400 --> 03:14:29,180
to be the same as I go through these.

2467
03:14:29,580 --> 03:14:34,300
Many of the services, some of these, you're asking, we're providing internally with our own budget.

2468
03:14:34,300 --> 03:14:43,120
And then some of these are contracted where they're providing a service and I'm assuming, you know, some of the departments are, you know,

2469
03:14:43,440 --> 03:14:52,780
because typically it's going to be in the Sheriff's Office for thinking that some of these agreements are a better bang for the taxpayer to have a done on the outside versus internally.

2470
03:14:54,460 --> 03:14:59,020
And the other, when you get down to this list and the caveat that, you know,

2471
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,760
On this outside entity funding, is that it's hard to track some of this down when the state's attorney's office is paying, not the state's attorney's office excuse me, when the auditor's office is paying, what is mandated by statute, out of the fees that we collect, and then you have various departments that have a line item in their budget that says outside agency funding, then you have to go down and look at the individual departments.

2472
03:15:30,000 --> 03:15:36,140
see if they're funding anything outside the organization with taxpayer money, and this

2473
03:15:36,140 --> 03:15:40,520
is a, I mean, I've mentioned it since, you know, at the beginning of the year, but I would

2474
03:15:40,520 --> 03:15:49,040
like to see, you know, all of these entities that are non-county, that are being funded,

2475
03:15:49,480 --> 03:15:55,480
that it be out of everybody's individual budgets, and that this is a board discussion, and

2476
03:15:55,480 --> 03:15:59,260
that these are captured in the budget, and there's a way to put that in there.

2477
03:15:59,260 --> 03:16:06,540
So you can at least run that report and see all-out side entities that are being funded and put it in the appropriate category.

2478
03:16:06,840 --> 03:16:12,920
So you have one place to go look for it instead of through multiple park and trying to go through the relied items and see

2479
03:16:12,920 --> 03:16:20,820
5,000 here, 10,000 there, 15,000 here, and so anyway, those are my comments and

2480
03:16:20,820 --> 03:16:28,000
I know that you guys do great work, but I think when we're talking about what we're doing,

2481
03:16:28,000 --> 03:16:34,080
the county on these outside entities that we're funding and you can listen and I understand

2482
03:16:34,080 --> 03:16:39,860
but when you're listening to the non-profits talk about, we have personnel increases with

2483
03:16:39,860 --> 03:16:45,160
an organization, we have to give our employees, you know, benefits and pay and that type

2484
03:16:45,160 --> 03:16:45,660
of stuff.

2485
03:16:45,960 --> 03:16:50,900
It's the same thing that we're struggling with and some of these went specifically when

2486
03:16:50,900 --> 03:16:54,820
you get down to these non-profits and this is nothing on you, my philosophy is going to be

2487
03:16:55,360 --> 03:17:01,200
same. If the nonprofit can do something that the county can do and it's a better bang for

2488
03:17:01,200 --> 03:17:06,900
the book, I think it's a good use of the taxpayer money. If they're providing, you know,

2489
03:17:06,960 --> 03:17:14,000
kind of redundant services or mutual services or it's something that, you know, as a non-profit,

2490
03:17:14,240 --> 03:17:19,820
the community should support a non-infavorite of taking taxpayer money and then deciding

2491
03:17:19,820 --> 03:17:23,560
for the taxpayer where that dollar is going to be allocated?

2492
03:17:25,180 --> 03:17:27,140
I think yes.

2493
03:17:28,780 --> 03:17:30,740
She's going to bill you out there, Sheriff.

2494
03:17:31,940 --> 03:17:33,700
Thank you, Laura Retzel, State's Attorney.

2495
03:17:33,880 --> 03:17:35,600
I just wanted to make two quick points.

2496
03:17:36,720 --> 03:17:40,640
One in last year's budget, I had the 225 for Wavy.

2497
03:17:41,040 --> 03:17:45,580
In my proposed 2026 budget, I don't have any money in there for them.

2498
03:17:45,780 --> 03:17:49,020
So as you're considering this, please remember that I do not have that.

2499
03:17:49,020 --> 03:17:55,440
my budget for 2026 and then just as a point of clarification, the sheriff's office advocates

2500
03:17:55,440 --> 03:18:01,300
and the lady advocates are crucial for that timeframe immediately after an incident before

2501
03:18:01,300 --> 03:18:06,360
a case arrives in the state's attorney's office, which could be a matter of days, it could be

2502
03:18:06,360 --> 03:18:14,420
a matter of weeks or longer, so they provide that initial crisis advocacy before, typically before

2503
03:18:14,420 --> 03:18:19,060
cases handed off to us and then usually it's a soft hand-off and they're done and moving

2504
03:18:19,060 --> 03:18:23,400
on to the next situation. So just wanted to make sure you understood that relationship.

2505
03:18:26,240 --> 03:18:37,780
Okay. So what role does States Attorney's Office have in advocacy for violence? I mean you

2506
03:18:37,780 --> 03:18:47,480
get it crimes victims officer. I'm not sure. Yes, so we have a victim advocacy department with six

2507
03:18:47,480 --> 03:18:53,520
people in it. One of them is specifically assigned to domestic violence cases, which as you've

2508
03:18:53,520 --> 03:18:58,520
seen from from my other presentations, are my aggravated assault domestic violence is my number

2509
03:18:58,520 --> 03:19:03,200
two highest felony charge and simplest assault domestic violence is my number two highest

2510
03:19:03,200 --> 03:19:09,280
misdemeanor charge. So it's a very high number of criminal cases and certainly criminal

2511
03:19:09,280 --> 03:19:14,440
incidents that connect to domestic violence, which is why this is an important area for

2512
03:19:14,440 --> 03:19:20,700
both the sheriff and I. And like I explained, the sheriff advocate and the way the advocate

2513
03:19:20,700 --> 03:19:26,380
are involved immediately after a crisis. And then when the case comes to the state's attorney's

2514
03:19:26,380 --> 03:19:30,560
office and is handed over for prosecution, we usually take it from there.

2515
03:19:30,560 --> 03:19:37,160
And then, Wavy is more like someone in crisis, like, give him a place to stay, kind of.

2516
03:19:37,380 --> 03:19:37,720
Right.

2517
03:19:37,820 --> 03:19:44,560
Then they would continue to provide ongoing services as requested by that specific person.

2518
03:19:45,460 --> 03:19:48,580
But immediately, when something comes up, they have a somewhere to go.

2519
03:19:49,020 --> 03:19:49,400
Right.

2520
03:19:49,560 --> 03:19:49,940
Exactly.

2521
03:19:50,620 --> 03:19:54,720
And then the state's attorney's office ad, because he, you know, and I've talked to you about that before.

2522
03:19:55,420 --> 03:19:58,780
It's primarily shepherding victims through the criminal justice.

2523
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:04,900
And the rights, making sure they get restitution, making sure their voices heard in those criminal proceedings.

2524
03:20:05,660 --> 03:20:11,660
And those Marcie's law rights that you've talked about before as either constitutionally or statutorily mandated.

2525
03:20:12,920 --> 03:20:20,340
Mr. Chair. Yes. I guess what boils down to relative to what Mr. Deer mentioned is that we're not duplicating services.

2526
03:20:20,340 --> 03:20:31,000
Waves and service at the county currently isn't providing and they're the experts on this and and so it's a totally separate surface relative to anything that

2527
03:20:32,260 --> 03:20:39,740
The sheriff's department or the state's attorneys offices providing so I think that's what we have to decide on each one of these kids

2528
03:20:39,740 --> 03:20:46,240
Commissioner that was my intention coming forward was to show the distinction and the difference between what I'm doing and what

2529
03:20:46,240 --> 03:20:49,700
Waves and the sheriff's office advocate and I appreciate that. Thank you

2530
03:20:49,700 --> 03:20:56,260
Yeah, just follow common the commonality would be the crisis intervention once law enforcement gets

2531
03:20:56,260 --> 03:21:01,800
involved. We have staff that we're paying to do that both at the sheriff's office level and at the

2532
03:21:01,800 --> 03:21:07,460
state's turn is office level. Obviously the housing, you know, we don't do, but that's as a non-profit.

2533
03:21:07,580 --> 03:21:12,920
That's a service they provide. Commissioner Drew, so either.

2534
03:21:15,860 --> 03:21:18,140
I think you had a flight. I know he has to get

2535
03:21:18,140 --> 03:21:24,820
flight to London. I mean, did he catch his flight? Yeah, he'd hop off at 12.38. Okay,

2536
03:21:24,940 --> 03:21:26,800
thank you. I just wanted to make sure that we weren't.

2537
03:21:26,860 --> 03:21:32,080
I dropped off his plane or something. Was it there, Bevel? I know we did it without a

2538
03:21:32,080 --> 03:21:38,200
shoot. All right, watch out. We don't have any further questions. I guess. Thank you, ladies.

2539
03:21:38,260 --> 03:21:41,440
We just know that you guys appreciate it. We know you have a good service. You did great.

2540
03:21:42,040 --> 03:21:48,880
All right. The next on the list I've got here is the Humane Society of the Black Hills. Do

2541
03:21:48,880 --> 03:21:51,200
have anyone here to speak to that? Yes, we do.

2542
03:21:58,430 --> 03:22:01,930
Hello, on Tammy Barrow's, I'm the Executive Director of Team Painting Society.

2543
03:22:02,330 --> 03:22:10,550
He made society. We bring in about 4,000 animals a year. We are the only open

2544
03:22:11,290 --> 03:22:17,910
shelter on the side of the state. If you heard in the news, other shelters and

2545
03:22:17,910 --> 03:22:23,230
rescues have stopped taking animals in because they're overcapacity. Since we're an open

2546
03:22:23,230 --> 03:22:32,550
we don't have that ability. We still take them in. We provide animal control services. We're

2547
03:22:32,550 --> 03:22:40,490
contacted through Pennington County for that. We also take in rescue drop-offs from both the police

2548
03:22:40,490 --> 03:22:47,930
department and the sheriff's department. About 55% of the straits make up all the animals that we get

2549
03:22:47,930 --> 03:22:52,470
again, about a third of those are from the past from the police in the sheriff.

2550
03:22:53,950 --> 03:22:59,830
So I am brand new into the position, so we are requesting $166,000.

2551
03:23:00,570 --> 03:23:04,750
This was based off of a conversation that happened when I was not here.

2552
03:23:06,070 --> 03:23:12,210
It was based off of that Pettington County took up 10% of our expenses.

2553
03:23:12,210 --> 03:23:21,530
there was an agreement to go from $50,000 to $108,000 last year and then go up to $166,000

2554
03:23:21,530 --> 03:23:30,110
this year. So I got those from the notes from my previous predecessor.

2555
03:23:33,540 --> 03:23:33,800
We'll kind of

2556
03:23:33,800 --> 03:23:40,640
questions you have for me. Mr. Chair. Yeah, my question would be, you know, why did we, why did

2557
03:23:40,640 --> 03:23:43,820
increase from 50 to 128 and 2025?

2558
03:23:45,560 --> 03:23:49,960
Because that was about 3.76% of the expenses.

2559
03:23:50,740 --> 03:23:54,560
And when they went through and figured out that 10%

2560
03:23:54,560 --> 03:23:56,520
of the expenses were from Pennington County,

2561
03:23:56,980 --> 03:23:59,700
that's when they started asking for the increase.

2562
03:24:00,160 --> 03:24:02,360
And they decided to do it in two steps.

2563
03:24:03,660 --> 03:24:05,180
Thanks, Sheriff, has some insight.

2564
03:24:05,420 --> 03:24:06,900
Yeah, it's going to say Brian will take it.

2565
03:24:06,900 --> 03:24:09,300
Well, we had a different contract this last year.

2566
03:24:11,340 --> 03:24:12,080
All right.

2567
03:24:12,520 --> 03:24:13,920
Brian Mueller, Pennington County Sheriff.

2568
03:24:14,880 --> 03:24:17,040
And there's, we probably don't have enough time

2569
03:24:17,040 --> 03:24:18,700
to go over the history of our relationship

2570
03:24:18,700 --> 03:24:20,480
with the agency society today.

2571
03:24:21,000 --> 03:24:22,600
And it's lengthy one, and I've been involved

2572
03:24:22,600 --> 03:24:24,900
with it for several, several years,

2573
03:24:25,280 --> 03:24:28,340
going back to the time that we had a contract.

2574
03:24:28,560 --> 03:24:29,620
We lost the contract.

2575
03:24:29,840 --> 03:24:31,920
We refused to increase it.

2576
03:24:32,060 --> 03:24:34,060
It went up over 100% in one year.

2577
03:24:34,520 --> 03:24:36,500
The Sheriff at the time refused to do that.

2578
03:24:36,660 --> 03:24:39,540
And as the our law enforcement division took over,

2579
03:24:39,540 --> 03:24:46,200
the process, we rewrote our animal ordinance, and we were doing what was statutorily required

2580
03:24:46,200 --> 03:24:49,660
to do at the time, but we're running it through the Sheriff's Office. It was very inefficient

2581
03:24:49,660 --> 03:24:55,340
and we did not have the space and the tools to do that type of work. And so for several years

2582
03:24:55,340 --> 03:24:58,460
We've contract with the Humane Society, and we were at that 50th time.

2583
03:25:01,890 --> 03:25:10,450
And initially, when we set that up, they would have to provide us monthly financials as to how many animals were coming in, what the expenses were.

2584
03:25:11,610 --> 03:25:24,430
And we tracked that over several years. And when we tracked the actual work done versus what we were paying, we were generally within that 5 to 8,000 range, maybe just a little over a little under that 50,000, it was pretty accurate.

2585
03:25:25,610 --> 03:25:34,510
They've had change in the leadership over and over and over again, and some of the reporting that we were getting dropped off for a few years.

2586
03:25:34,850 --> 03:25:37,390
And then, and I don't remember the exact years.

2587
03:25:37,490 --> 03:25:43,270
I would tell you three or four years ago we got a request for a very substantial increase for the amount that we were paying.

2588
03:25:44,290 --> 03:25:48,910
And we went back and looked and I said they haven't been sending us the financials.

2589
03:25:48,910 --> 03:25:51,730
you need to send us the financial, so we can evaluate it.

2590
03:25:51,990 --> 03:25:53,950
I feel 50,000 was fair.

2591
03:25:54,850 --> 03:26:04,850
And then when we got the actual information sent to us, and it was roughly 38 to $40,000 worth

2592
03:26:04,850 --> 03:26:08,430
of the work that was done in the previous year, and they were asking for a substantial increase.

2593
03:26:09,350 --> 03:26:13,990
When I came into office, they asked for a pretty substantial increase, and I said, I don't

2594
03:26:13,990 --> 03:26:18,890
think the work justifies the increase that's being done, and we really didn't have any

2595
03:26:18,890 --> 03:26:24,470
further discussion on it, they just for the first two years, I was an office requested

2596
03:26:25,250 --> 03:26:32,320
our agreed to pay the $50,000. Then last year, we got a request to go from $50,000 to

2597
03:26:33,810 --> 03:26:39,030
$166,000. And basically, an ultimatum to say, if you're not going to do it, we're just not

2598
03:26:39,030 --> 03:26:43,810
going to provide the service to the county any longer. And I said, I don't have an understanding

2599
03:26:43,810 --> 03:26:51,350
of where we're at, how do the expenses go that high and we really didn't have any involvement

2600
03:26:51,350 --> 03:26:54,710
in the board, any of the decisions they were making at the time.

2601
03:26:54,870 --> 03:26:59,950
So we had a pretty lengthy meeting, some of the commission was involved in that last year

2602
03:26:59,950 --> 03:27:05,910
and they sat basically over the last few years, they changed their philosophy to handling

2603
03:27:05,910 --> 03:27:11,130
what was statutoryly mandated and I'm probably using the wrong terms, but basically went

2604
03:27:11,130 --> 03:27:18,710
to a no-kill shelter, which greatly expands the expense related to running an animal control

2605
03:27:18,710 --> 03:27:23,730
shelter, because when we have the agreement in place with the county before, this will

2606
03:27:23,730 --> 03:27:28,190
be off a little bit, but just to give you the philosophy that statutorily you're required

2607
03:27:28,970 --> 03:27:34,690
to hold an animal for a certain period of time, if it's dropped off at the shelter, and

2608
03:27:34,690 --> 03:27:39,490
then our agreement with the shelter was, we would pay a certain dollar amount each day,

2609
03:27:39,490 --> 03:27:43,150
And then if the animal was not claimed, they could make a decision if they were going to

2610
03:27:43,150 --> 03:27:45,110
euthanize the animal or put it up for adoption.

2611
03:27:45,890 --> 03:27:50,850
And our agreement in the past had always been, if they were going to euthanize the animal,

2612
03:27:50,990 --> 03:27:51,970
we would pay that cost.

2613
03:27:52,050 --> 03:27:56,250
And if they were going to do adoption, we would let them keep all the fees related to adoption.

2614
03:27:56,830 --> 03:28:01,330
And then they would incur all expenses going forward, but they could keep all the fees related

2615
03:28:01,330 --> 03:28:04,850
to the adoption and that agreement worked for 15 years.

2616
03:28:04,850 --> 03:28:10,970
somewhere along the way they changed the philosophy of not

2617
03:28:12,150 --> 03:28:15,890
not doing the utilization so they were keeping animals longer their expense

2618
03:28:15,890 --> 03:28:19,610
went up their their needs in their facility went up their staffing needs

2619
03:28:19,610 --> 03:28:24,850
went up and then we just never sat down and renegotiated that again. The

2620
03:28:24,850 --> 03:28:31,410
history on the 108 for last year is I think they had asked for the 166 and

2621
03:28:31,410 --> 03:28:34,750
advised us they were going to cut services if we didn't do it we met we

2622
03:28:34,750 --> 03:28:44,210
negotiated to increase it to the 108, and then my ask at the time last year was to allow

2623
03:28:44,210 --> 03:28:50,150
a county commissioner to set on their board. So we had some input into what the philosophy

2624
03:28:50,150 --> 03:28:55,950
at the shelter was because that's definitely driving the cost. And then we would reconsider

2625
03:28:55,950 --> 03:29:04,090
this 166,000 dollar deal at the budget time. That was our agreement. So that's where we are today.

2626
03:29:04,090 --> 03:29:12,030
I guess the immediate question would be have you received any financial information that justifies any specific call.

2627
03:29:12,150 --> 03:29:14,530
I'm going to like you used to get the cost.

2628
03:29:15,370 --> 03:29:21,850
Well, what their justification they did is they no longer track the information like what we used to do,

2629
03:29:22,370 --> 03:29:26,990
but their justification is they believe that 10% of the animals that they're taking care of,

2630
03:29:27,090 --> 03:29:30,930
but the shelter from the county outside of Rapid City, and I don't know if they still do,

2631
03:29:30,930 --> 03:29:35,570
what other municipalities they deal with or other counties they deal with, and then they put their

2632
03:29:35,570 --> 03:29:41,030
operational expense in and they're asking for 10%. But they no longer track information the way that we

2633
03:29:41,030 --> 03:29:46,630
used to that would allow me to be able to look at it as a peranimal cost. What information did

2634
03:29:46,630 --> 03:29:53,530
used to get? Because I know that they send quarterly information to Rapid City, we could definitely

2635
03:29:53,530 --> 03:29:57,490
in that to you also. Okay. I guess I don't know if it's a bad word.

2636
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:27,400
Local shelter. Local shelter doesn't mean that you don't kill. It's whether 90% of your animals are adopted out. I've been executive director for five months, and we have only

2637
03:30:27,400 --> 03:30:37,560
5.6, the holding time for a three-animal 72 hours, so that's, and then we are also,

2638
03:30:37,680 --> 03:30:43,980
we've housed the animals that come in for like a 10 day bike quarantine, and we also

2639
03:30:43,980 --> 03:30:48,400
hold animals that are on hold for cases for animal cruelty.

2640
03:30:49,860 --> 03:30:57,380
So, I know that, when I'm throw this out there, I know that aren't close to people

2641
03:30:57,380 --> 03:31:05,900
They are. It's a very small amount. It's like $16 for dog that's fixed in $8 if they're not.

2642
03:31:07,400 --> 03:31:13,500
We basically lose about $5 to $600 on every animal that is adopted out.

2643
03:31:13,840 --> 03:31:19,440
Because one of our core purposes is to spend a new to animals to help decrease the animal population.

2644
03:31:19,440 --> 03:31:28,060
So we invest at least three to four hundred dollars in medical and then you pay to feed them and

2645
03:31:28,060 --> 03:31:36,220
house them. So even if we adopt animals out, we still take a loss. But the animal going out will not produce any other animals.

2646
03:31:36,320 --> 03:31:44,160
I'm just saying that animal owners overall obviously there's a lot of people that are, you know,

2647
03:31:44,160 --> 03:31:48,460
didn't have an animal, obviously otherwise it wouldn't have a need for shelter.

2648
03:31:50,120 --> 03:31:54,380
If you have an animal, and there's supposed to have a license.

2649
03:31:55,360 --> 03:31:57,260
License, yep, and then Chipm.

2650
03:31:58,420 --> 03:32:03,560
It makes sight of gather that revenue from a license.

2651
03:32:03,980 --> 03:32:04,680
We do.

2652
03:32:06,760 --> 03:32:08,640
It's really an untapped source.

2653
03:32:08,820 --> 03:32:10,820
So that's something that I'm looking into.

2654
03:32:10,820 --> 03:32:17,820
The animals that are raised, that leave leaves, they are chipped and they're licensed.

2655
03:32:19,800 --> 03:32:25,720
But yeah, most people don't unless they're that well suggested at the vet visit.

2656
03:32:26,240 --> 03:32:26,280
Sure.

2657
03:32:27,620 --> 03:32:32,360
So as a services needed, their needs are not wanted, they're needed, right?

2658
03:32:32,480 --> 03:32:34,340
Because otherwise we have to do it.

2659
03:32:34,520 --> 03:32:37,100
So you have to ask yourself, how much would it cost?

2660
03:32:38,040 --> 03:32:45,200
First, to run an animal shelter in Pintin County and take in animals and have staff and

2661
03:32:45,200 --> 03:32:49,220
have a building, then it is to pay somebody to do it for you.

2662
03:32:49,720 --> 03:32:58,180
So that's the final question for us is, Share said, this sucked and we tried this and I don't

2663
03:32:58,180 --> 03:33:04,240
think you can do it for 166 with two people, plus trying to find a shelter and do the things

2664
03:33:04,240 --> 03:33:05,360
that these guys do.

2665
03:33:05,360 --> 03:33:11,180
how much that should be? I don't know if it's 166. The other issue is, um, do you have a

2666
03:33:11,180 --> 03:33:18,340
commissioner on your board yet? I believe Ron was invited. Ron? They invited me and this

2667
03:33:18,340 --> 03:33:24,780
invited me, so. Well, I, I will invite you. Yeah, no, we welcome anybody. If you want, we, uh,

2668
03:33:24,820 --> 03:33:30,600
we'll meet usually every other month. So whoever wants to come, shoot me an email and you're welcome.

2669
03:33:30,600 --> 03:33:37,500
Actually, Ms. Tammy, if you would shoot Jordan or email that way, one of us could be at the meeting that would be good that way

2670
03:33:37,500 --> 03:33:42,080
Anybody that had the time to come see what you and it'd be nice for all of us to see that

2671
03:33:42,080 --> 03:33:47,100
But the bottom line I was asking I guess was Brian could do it for 166 and

2672
03:33:48,240 --> 03:33:55,420
I know you were doing it for 15, but we are the outlining area of Rapid City that has the main population

2673
03:33:55,420 --> 03:34:00,120
The outlining areas aren't that populated is there a lot of animals and is

2674
03:34:01,380 --> 03:34:05,660
Do you have any other ideas then to pay 166 that they're asking?

2675
03:34:06,560 --> 03:34:18,260
Well, I do think if we can get some commission involvement in their board, that I do think there are some things that they could do to save some money and hopefully lower that cost specifically just the last time I look at the financials.

2676
03:34:18,380 --> 03:34:28,720
The amount, if my dog goes missing and it gets turned into the Humane Society and they have to do veterinary work on it and there's certain things that they do I think if you

2677
03:34:28,720 --> 03:34:34,800
based on how many days that's there they do veterinary work, and I pick my animal up, I should

2678
03:34:34,800 --> 03:34:42,580
have to pay 100% of that cost. That should not be a property tax issue. The fees that they're

2679
03:34:42,580 --> 03:34:49,420
charging you to go pick up your own dog for their expenses are a fraction of what I pay to take

2680
03:34:49,420 --> 03:34:55,160
my own animal into the vet. So I think there are some things that they can do that could update

2681
03:34:55,160 --> 03:34:57,580
that they're doing through fees and expectations.

2682
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:05,000
You can have to be subsidized across the board for tax support. So I do think we can get that amount down.

2683
03:35:06,360 --> 03:35:15,240
There are several statutory things that the counties required to do as a sheriff that I'm required to do with vicious animals and bites and those types of things.

2684
03:35:16,100 --> 03:35:24,920
And it's a well worth contracting with somebody else to provide those services versus handling that with deputies, which is a very high cost way to do that.

2685
03:35:24,920 --> 03:35:30,260
And plus if we hit as all of our discussion today for two hours on buildings to try to figure

2686
03:35:30,260 --> 03:35:34,480
out a location for the county to pay for to do that, I think it's worth contracting

2687
03:35:34,480 --> 03:35:35,680
with the Humane Society.

2688
03:35:36,920 --> 03:35:38,440
There have been a good partner.

2689
03:35:39,020 --> 03:35:44,960
I would like to see a board member on the board to help hopefully influence some of the cost

2690
03:35:44,960 --> 03:35:46,180
going forward.

2691
03:35:47,840 --> 03:35:51,280
There's definitely a value for pending property to contract with them for the services.

2692
03:35:51,480 --> 03:35:51,980
Thank you, thank you.

2693
03:35:52,020 --> 03:35:53,780
That statement goes a long way, so.

2694
03:35:53,780 --> 03:36:01,080
can I just say one more thing? There is a five-year plan that they put in place and part of that

2695
03:36:01,940 --> 03:36:07,980
is we started a membership program to bring in extra income so we are looking at other

2696
03:36:08,540 --> 03:36:14,920
ways to fund it. Not just asking you guys for more money. Well I mean if we're only at 9%

2697
03:36:14,920 --> 03:36:20,060
I mean that's obviously there's another million bucks out there somewhere. I thought people were paying

2698
03:36:20,060 --> 03:36:22,980
So, Commissioner Rosknek has a question.

2699
03:36:23,880 --> 03:36:28,340
Well, I welcome new leadership because I got some complaints last year and I got the

2700
03:36:28,340 --> 03:36:31,680
no more about the Humane Society than I really wanted to.

2701
03:36:32,180 --> 03:36:32,900
And was it chicken?

2702
03:36:32,920 --> 03:36:37,700
Yeah, I think with new leadership a lot of that's going to get corrected and they just

2703
03:36:37,700 --> 03:36:40,540
called me a couple of weeks ago and I just said, you know, you need to call the sheriff

2704
03:36:40,540 --> 03:36:43,140
and the sheriff will put in contact with the Humane Society.

2705
03:36:45,780 --> 03:36:53,000
So welcome to the Humane Society, and hopefully a commissioner there will increase the transparency

2706
03:36:53,000 --> 03:36:55,460
between the commission and the Humane Society.

2707
03:36:56,260 --> 03:37:01,900
But I asked Jordan for a spreadsheet, so I could see the request from each one of these outside agencies.

2708
03:37:02,860 --> 03:37:07,140
What I have on the spreadsheet that you gave me Jordan is a hundred and eight thousand for

2709
03:37:08,140 --> 03:37:14,740
2026 requests so I just want to bring that to your attention because it's different than this presentation.

2710
03:37:15,100 --> 03:37:20,080
Yeah, because that was the 2025 amount and so I'll make sure that the 2026 amount is updated.

2711
03:37:21,300 --> 03:37:26,040
Okay. So that gives us the scenario as I'm going to be on the board or am I going to be a voting board?

2712
03:37:26,060 --> 03:37:30,000
I'm not going to go other if I can't vote. I mean, I can't be worth my time.

2713
03:37:30,160 --> 03:37:32,140
Sit there and listen. They're all bring snacks.

2714
03:37:32,140 --> 03:37:33,920
I'll bring snacks.

2715
03:37:35,100 --> 03:37:36,100
So you have my comments.

2716
03:37:36,420 --> 03:37:39,080
I think it goes back to what the sheriff said.

2717
03:37:40,780 --> 03:37:45,080
So you know, asking the additional funds from the county, and then we have no oversight

2718
03:37:45,080 --> 03:37:47,420
getting back to his point about operations.

2719
03:37:47,880 --> 03:37:51,140
And so you're just saying, give us money and the taxpayers can fund this.

2720
03:37:51,900 --> 03:37:56,460
It goes back to decisions internally made by the organization about.

2721
03:37:56,520 --> 03:37:58,160
We're going to change our operations.

2722
03:37:58,160 --> 03:38:00,080
we're going to change how we're doing things.

2723
03:38:00,160 --> 03:38:02,620
What that goes increased costs is costs.

2724
03:38:03,340 --> 03:38:08,820
So we have to go out and source more money from donor base or from taxpayer base.

2725
03:38:09,700 --> 03:38:14,020
And so I would go back and have a conversation with your board and say the Board of County

2726
03:38:14,760 --> 03:38:19,960
Commissioners is requesting a seat of the table as a voting member and showing up and giving

2727
03:38:19,960 --> 03:38:23,960
our two cents without having any teeth is getting back to what Chairman Wife and

2728
03:38:23,960 --> 03:38:26,560
Bacca saying is a waste of our time.

2729
03:38:26,560 --> 03:38:36,000
Well, you're welcome, like I said, I can't speak to what happened before, you know, the five months, but we strive to be very transparent and you're welcome, you have a seat out our board.

2730
03:38:36,520 --> 03:38:40,640
And then what is the current agreement that we have in place when does that expire?

2731
03:38:42,060 --> 03:38:42,580
End of December.

2732
03:38:45,440 --> 03:38:45,960
Thank you.

2733
03:38:46,580 --> 03:38:47,220
Any other questions?

2734
03:38:47,220 --> 03:38:54,640
I just wanted to know that if I bet on my phone it's because I was communicating with Gary and then he signed off.

2735
03:38:56,020 --> 03:39:01,480
So, well, he didn't have anything to say anyway, but it's, thank you for your presentation.

2736
03:39:02,240 --> 03:39:05,780
Someone could just reach out to Jordan and he'll get me the information I need to get.

2737
03:39:06,680 --> 03:39:15,220
I'd love, I've got to say the main site amongst all of its episodes and flows because of the atmosphere that they made society has.

2738
03:39:15,220 --> 03:39:20,240
because of people, there's obviously two fields of people, there's the fields of people that

2739
03:39:20,240 --> 03:39:25,340
want to save every dog, every animal, until it naturally dies, which is almost impossible

2740
03:39:25,340 --> 03:39:30,840
to the people that say, hey man, just get rid of them. So the EBS and flow is causes that turmoil

2741
03:39:30,840 --> 03:39:38,400
and for us is practicality obviously, but I think that overall the main society is going to

2742
03:39:38,400 --> 03:39:44,240
great asset to the city of Rapid City and county of Pettington County so that being said

2743
03:39:44,760 --> 03:39:52,340
we'll move forward. Thank you. Thank you. Next item up right. Yep next on the list right now is

2744
03:39:52,340 --> 03:39:57,540
meals on wheels. It's meals on wheels here. Nope. All right moving forward then.

2745
03:40:00,500 --> 03:40:28,240
I'm going to direct them right to that guy who uses the director of meals on wheels. I have no idea why my name was on a flyer. Why my name was on a Facebook post saying, tell me how important the meals on wheels is. I got a land of your mom in a 90-year-old mother-in-law that I've taken care of and through the years my mom had been on meals on wheels. So I decided to delve into meals on wheels. That's why I invited him here.

2746
03:40:29,000 --> 03:40:35,340
If you got something to say to me, come and let's talk about meals on wheels and important

2747
03:40:35,340 --> 03:40:36,220
some meals on wheels.

2748
03:40:36,800 --> 03:40:41,780
I realize on important meals on wheels is because I've seen it in action.

2749
03:40:42,080 --> 03:40:46,480
I've worked with people, I've went out and delivered meals on wheels with the volunteers.

2750
03:40:46,920 --> 03:40:51,640
They have hundreds of great volunteers and the seniors in the community are ones that always

2751
03:40:51,640 --> 03:40:52,260
get overlooked.

2752
03:40:52,880 --> 03:40:57,340
You can see here we spend millions of millions of dollars on people that are not productive

2753
03:40:57,340 --> 03:41:03,180
society, you get in trouble, cause all this other havoc, create violence on people,

2754
03:41:03,480 --> 03:41:08,720
these people, you know, and then the seniors in our community, you know, but obviously

2755
03:41:08,720 --> 03:41:15,180
George Larson is the fellow's name. If you see George, Tony was invited to show up. If you

2756
03:41:15,180 --> 03:41:19,780
want to read another Facebook post or postcard about me, you know, ask him what a cost to send

2757
03:41:19,780 --> 03:41:26,000
out that postcard and, you know, but the point is, is, is, you know, if we're here to help,

2758
03:41:26,000 --> 03:41:28,080
I don't know, I don't know what he wanted from me,

2759
03:41:28,080 --> 03:41:29,620
and I've had over 30 phone calls.

2760
03:41:30,140 --> 03:41:32,140
Probably three of them just sitting here today.

2761
03:41:32,500 --> 03:41:34,400
People call me in the district.

2762
03:41:34,680 --> 03:41:35,400
It's just good.

2763
03:41:36,280 --> 03:41:39,400
You can blame me partially because at our last meeting,

2764
03:41:40,200 --> 03:41:44,640
depending on county council, I asked any of the stakeholders

2765
03:41:44,640 --> 03:41:47,460
here and there's a folks that work for the state

2766
03:41:47,460 --> 03:41:48,260
and whatnot.

2767
03:41:48,260 --> 03:41:55,000
I says, we need to explain why we exist for a South Dakota,

2768
03:41:55,000 --> 03:41:59,860
Department of Social Service, you need the contact, the commissioners, to tell them why

2769
03:42:00,320 --> 03:42:05,680
been in a county cancellation, you know, why we should be there, why we should be funded.

2770
03:42:06,860 --> 03:42:09,100
I did not tell anybody to put anything on Facebook.

2771
03:42:09,180 --> 03:42:09,940
I know you wouldn't.

2772
03:42:10,400 --> 03:42:11,880
I know you didn't do that, right.

2773
03:42:11,880 --> 03:42:13,700
This said you got to reach out to the commissioners.

2774
03:42:14,100 --> 03:42:19,700
That explains, and I said, you're going to need to have your perform and show why you

2775
03:42:19,700 --> 03:42:20,320
need the funds.

2776
03:42:20,680 --> 03:42:21,340
That was.

2777
03:42:21,660 --> 03:42:23,760
We invited him here today and gave him plenty of notice.

2778
03:42:24,860 --> 03:42:30,140
I went further. I started developing further into the situation. Meals on wheels. They have

2779
03:42:30,140 --> 03:42:35,720
contracted the state of South Dakota. They've got over $2 million in revenue to service

2780
03:42:35,720 --> 03:42:43,480
wall and some other areas in the county. And they've failed. So I'm assuming they're trying

2781
03:42:43,480 --> 03:42:48,800
to put the angst on us. I don't know what the deal is. But that's not how I do business. And I

2782
03:42:48,800 --> 03:42:54,520
You're on, I mean, I get it, and you and I would say the same sentiment about that we have, you know,

2783
03:42:54,680 --> 03:42:54,820
so.

2784
03:42:54,820 --> 03:43:01,040
Have a comment on this because I getting back to your point, I mean, when you started getting

2785
03:43:01,040 --> 03:43:07,900
the phone calls, you called me and said, you know, a little acronym to go with it.

2786
03:43:07,900 --> 03:43:10,700
And I said, I have no idea what you're talking about.

2787
03:43:11,160 --> 03:43:15,600
So I went to Facebook and read the post and I'm going to make a comment on it because I think

2788
03:43:15,600 --> 03:43:16,600
it's wholly inappropriate.

2789
03:43:17,220 --> 03:43:26,300
So, on Facebook, Mills, on Wills, and I'm assuming it was a gentleman that you spoke to put a Facebook post out and some writing to go with it.

2790
03:43:26,900 --> 03:43:28,740
Rapid city seniors are in jeopardy.

2791
03:43:28,900 --> 03:43:30,840
They'll let Pennington County cut our kitchens.

2792
03:43:31,000 --> 03:43:36,660
250 mills are delivered in Rapid City by volunteers every year to seniors in need.

2793
03:43:36,960 --> 03:43:43,300
If Pennington County decides to cut funding for volunteers and revoke access to Rapid City kitchens,

2794
03:43:43,300 --> 03:43:46,100
hundreds of seniors with lose their meals,

2795
03:43:46,520 --> 03:43:50,080
call around wife and buck, and at giving your number,

2796
03:43:50,460 --> 03:43:52,980
and let him know how board meals and wheels

2797
03:43:52,980 --> 03:43:54,420
is in Rapid City.

2798
03:43:55,340 --> 03:44:00,140
And there is no basis for that, you know,

2799
03:44:00,300 --> 03:44:03,240
and so we're not providing kitchen space,

2800
03:44:03,420 --> 03:44:06,440
we're not the limited funding that we were giving

2801
03:44:06,440 --> 03:44:09,860
was coming through the Pennington County

2802
03:44:09,860 --> 03:44:12,560
senior group on aging, whatever that is.

2803
03:44:12,560 --> 03:44:25,520
And so there was a discussion about that, and getting back to your point, yes, there was a, you know, they have a state agreement, that's why we need to look at the financials of some of these individuals asking for taxpayer money.

2804
03:44:25,900 --> 03:44:35,300
You know, meals on wheels, you know, has a contract and existence for over two million dollars with the state to provide services.

2805
03:44:36,640 --> 03:44:43,120
and, you know, a while ago, they were talking about cutting services in some of the rural areas,

2806
03:44:43,540 --> 03:44:47,800
a timber lake, getting up into some of the areas that they supported the state came back and

2807
03:44:47,800 --> 03:44:53,800
said, if you do that, you're a non-compliance with your agreement. And so, I mean, they've made

2808
03:44:53,800 --> 03:44:57,260
decisions internally to do things, but certainly nothing came from this book.

2809
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:06,600
What they're to say that somehow pending to county is responsible for actions taken, that's not the case.

2810
03:45:07,800 --> 03:45:15,080
So, you know, when you're out there in the public and you're asking for county assistance, I mean, we can have these discussions.

2811
03:45:15,440 --> 03:45:26,860
It's not personal. It's about, you know, the county is ability to pay. And the whole thing I'm going to get down to is the taxpayers elected us to do a job.

2812
03:45:26,860 --> 03:45:36,780
And to be stewards of the money and when it comes down to the budget and the finance and the policy of the county that's what the Board of Commissioners are here for.

2813
03:45:37,400 --> 03:45:42,360
And so then we have to weigh all of the obligations that come in front of us and make decisions.

2814
03:45:43,340 --> 03:45:55,420
And I have faith in my fellow board members that decisions that we're making are not based off of personal issues and those types of things we're going to get down to making decisions.

2815
03:45:55,420 --> 03:45:59,000
and support what the taxpayers are voicing.

2816
03:45:59,560 --> 03:46:01,620
And the other thing I would say about the non-profits

2817
03:46:01,620 --> 03:46:04,220
when you look at those, many of them have,

2818
03:46:04,220 --> 03:46:05,920
you know, state and federal grand dollars

2819
03:46:05,920 --> 03:46:08,060
and agreements in place to fund them.

2820
03:46:08,180 --> 03:46:10,020
And when you look at, you know,

2821
03:46:10,160 --> 03:46:12,460
the amount of money they're asking from us,

2822
03:46:12,880 --> 03:46:16,020
out of this, you know, two plus million dollars in requests,

2823
03:46:16,320 --> 03:46:18,180
and you look at what percentage we are

2824
03:46:18,180 --> 03:46:21,820
of the overall budget, it's not a lot.

2825
03:46:21,820 --> 03:46:49,520
And so, you know, and you hear from these outside entities, it's, say, I need this money for my personal, my operations, my staff, getting back to a comment made, the Commissioner Headcock made, we have statutory obligations to provide services and those are public safety, the state attorney's office, prosecuting cases, you know, infrastructure, so public safety infrastructure and some of the other mandated we have.

2826
03:46:49,520 --> 03:46:55,420
Those are the functions I think the tax fair is you're asking us to focus on and that's how I'm going to look at the budget process

2827
03:46:55,420 --> 03:47:01,460
Like you commissioned during I push I'm just going to add one caveat that wasn't just a Facebook post he actually sent out a postcard

2828
03:47:01,960 --> 03:47:02,400
so

2829
03:47:03,180 --> 03:47:05,240
Trying to be nice to all these ill informed

2830
03:47:06,000 --> 03:47:11,160
Elderly peoples gets to be a fine line because I tried to tell him I don't know what they're talking about and

2831
03:47:11,580 --> 03:47:13,900
So if you're out there, I hope you can

2832
03:47:13,900 --> 03:47:20,320
Anyway, the bottom line is that I, on George's at the last meeting, I said, we need to see a

2833
03:47:20,320 --> 03:47:26,500
full form of, because if you need the money, you need to see that you need it. And so I don't know if we ever

2834
03:47:26,500 --> 03:47:32,880
got a full form of it. I got nothing from the guy he called me, and that was my request. And I believe

2835
03:47:32,880 --> 03:47:42,560
he, George indicated that in the rap city area along, they do 250,000 meals. And I think he said something about

2836
03:47:43,540 --> 03:47:59,360
You know, I'm sorry that I'm sorry you had faith in me when I called him when he finally called me after I told people to call him he finally called me and we had a conversation for about five minutes and he didn't understand anything and what he even did.

2837
03:47:59,580 --> 03:48:05,360
So I just as that point and I said, you know, we'll come to the meeting and obviously he's not here.

2838
03:48:06,820 --> 03:48:11,280
So that's bottom line and I get what you're saying, but there's a lot more that goes to these guys

2839
03:48:11,280 --> 03:48:14,220
And you know, they had a building the they bought a building

2840
03:48:15,080 --> 03:48:19,620
State empty for over a year and then they sold the building and now they're saying

2841
03:48:19,620 --> 03:48:22,320
Telling us we're kicking them out of a kitchen. I don't know what they're talking about

2842
03:48:23,420 --> 03:48:27,240
I'm right. Oh, so anyway that's all I just want to make it a public

2843
03:48:27,240 --> 03:48:31,980
Know what is anybody that wants to listen to that so we'll move on well

2844
03:48:31,980 --> 03:48:35,520
I just want to point out, you know, this particular

2845
03:48:35,520 --> 03:48:38,940
putting an account in Council Bayesian, they provide other services

2846
03:48:38,940 --> 03:48:41,380
and just meals, I just want you to be aware of that.

2847
03:48:41,880 --> 03:48:45,240
Chairman, I think you got the idea for me, because on the movie,

2848
03:48:45,820 --> 03:48:48,680
because the building that they had, and like you said,

2849
03:48:48,820 --> 03:48:51,480
it was empty over a year, we let the movie

2850
03:48:51,480 --> 03:48:52,960
into our building on COVID.

2851
03:48:53,340 --> 03:48:54,660
And it was Penny County Housing.

2852
03:48:55,300 --> 03:48:57,080
We are not running Penny County Housing.

2853
03:48:57,080 --> 03:48:58,520
We have a different entity.

2854
03:48:58,880 --> 03:49:00,080
It's through the state and the federal.

2855
03:49:00,080 --> 03:49:07,800
So, I might some misconstrued what I said, which means at this point they are not only

2856
03:49:07,800 --> 03:49:12,580
state in our building, they sold their building and in Penny's County Housing, and

2857
03:49:12,580 --> 03:49:13,660
then they also expanded.

2858
03:49:14,160 --> 03:49:18,940
At this time, we were looking at, this is before all this happened three months ago,

2859
03:49:19,140 --> 03:49:23,760
or so, that they needed to get a lease and stuff, and so I'll just be up straight, we now

2860
03:49:23,760 --> 03:49:26,160
figured out, we're going through what's called rad conversion.

2861
03:49:26,900 --> 03:49:34,040
So, to be up straight to Mr. George, that building can't just kick him out tomorrow, but it

2862
03:49:34,040 --> 03:49:40,580
can no longer be leased to another entity, so in that rad conversion that we're doing for

2863
03:49:40,580 --> 03:49:41,280
public housing.

2864
03:49:42,160 --> 03:49:45,880
So, some things are probably going to give at their next meeting, which is tomorrow, and

2865
03:49:45,880 --> 03:49:50,580
he will, I'm pretty sure, Brian Howard, he contacted on what was happening at this time.

2866
03:49:51,240 --> 03:49:56,940
So, why they sold their building, why they did what they did without asking.

2867
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:08,160
During their time where they needed it until their building got remodeled, that's probably where all that misconstrued information went.

2868
03:50:08,400 --> 03:50:20,040
It also, for us, our tenants are always first in Penning to County Housing, and for the bottom line, for the building space, and for the parking, and some other things,

2869
03:50:20,880 --> 03:50:27,680
they're always going to be first for Penning to County Housing. It's not going to be another outside agency. We did appreciate it.

2870
03:50:27,680 --> 03:50:33,840
We do like Penneyton County or Mills on Wheels, but again, it wasn't a permanent location for

2871
03:50:33,840 --> 03:50:39,560
them and we found out it can't be based on HUD and Federal Regulation, so you'll probably

2872
03:50:39,560 --> 03:50:42,880
find that out at our meeting tomorrow or Brian would have already contacted me.

2873
03:50:42,900 --> 03:50:43,860
Thank you for Mr. Halcock.

2874
03:50:44,100 --> 03:50:45,460
I will give him your phone number.

2875
03:50:45,780 --> 03:50:46,180
We're wrong.

2876
03:50:46,420 --> 03:50:46,980
Jay Jordan.

2877
03:50:47,940 --> 03:50:48,080
All right.

2878
03:50:48,160 --> 03:50:50,660
Next on the list is the children home society.

2879
03:50:50,720 --> 03:50:51,600
Children's home society.

2880
03:50:52,140 --> 03:50:52,660
Thank you.

2881
03:50:52,860 --> 03:50:53,860
Children's home society.

2882
03:50:55,100 --> 03:50:56,080
Hello ladies.

2883
03:51:00,300 --> 03:51:01,460
Can you hear us okay?

2884
03:51:01,700 --> 03:51:03,320
You can bring that down if you like.

2885
03:51:03,460 --> 03:51:03,720
There you go.

2886
03:51:05,100 --> 03:51:06,020
You'll get here your better.

2887
03:51:07,240 --> 03:51:08,620
I'm Jessica Boyard.

2888
03:51:08,660 --> 03:51:12,520
I'm from the Children's Home Society at the Child Advocacy Center.

2889
03:51:13,400 --> 03:51:14,640
And I'm Christy Keffler.

2890
03:51:14,740 --> 03:51:18,700
I'm the Director of Outpatient Services for CHS.

2891
03:51:18,840 --> 03:51:23,640
And our ask today is for your continued support of $10,000.

2892
03:51:24,680 --> 03:51:30,300
So, looking at what the services that we provide are to the county, the Children's Home

2893
03:51:30,300 --> 03:51:35,780
Child Advocacy Center and Painting County's History as a long and valued one, and together,

2894
03:51:36,080 --> 03:51:40,620
we care for some of the most valuable children youth and families within our community.

2895
03:51:44,070 --> 03:51:49,990
We provide forensic interviews, those are interviews for children ages 3 to 18.

2896
03:51:49,990 --> 03:52:00,630
We also can provide interviews for our adults with disabilities who have been victims of abuse or witnesses to abuse.

2897
03:52:01,130 --> 03:52:08,330
Those forensic interviews are by a specially trained professional that can actually then go in and provide that court testimony,

2898
03:52:08,330 --> 03:52:14,530
can testify with imports, can provide jury education, but first off providing that interview

2899
03:52:14,530 --> 03:52:23,290
in a child friendly environment. Over 10 years we have provided 1300 interviews for painting

2900
03:52:23,290 --> 03:52:30,450
County. We average about 140 of those a year for painting County. When a family comes in

2901
03:52:31,650 --> 03:52:36,890
for a forensic interview, we also provide advocacy for them. We have two advocates, myself,

2902
03:52:36,890 --> 03:52:44,210
being one of them where we meet with the families looking at where they're at currently what are their immediate needs.

2903
03:52:44,430 --> 03:52:47,070
We have a family that's in a place of crisis.

2904
03:52:47,530 --> 03:52:49,870
They're more likely to become victims again.

2905
03:52:50,190 --> 03:52:54,330
We're going to have a longer cost to that family.

2906
03:52:54,410 --> 03:52:55,650
We're going to have to have more services.

2907
03:52:56,450 --> 03:52:59,730
So we know that the justice system can take a while.

2908
03:53:00,370 --> 03:53:03,590
We never want any family to have to hit pause on their human journey.

2909
03:53:03,590 --> 03:53:07,750
So we can get them connected, whether that's for medical, for mental health.

2910
03:53:08,170 --> 03:53:13,690
We also, once that family needs, but we hope that's the only time that child has to be interviewed,

2911
03:53:14,630 --> 03:53:18,190
we continue services without family, checking in on them where you are.

2912
03:53:18,410 --> 03:53:19,370
Do you have a need now?

2913
03:53:19,830 --> 03:53:22,670
Do we need to make that referral for mental health now?

2914
03:53:23,050 --> 03:53:24,430
What can we help you do?

2915
03:53:24,610 --> 03:53:28,910
And that's not just, well, the forensic interview itself is just the child being interviewed.

2916
03:53:29,250 --> 03:53:31,250
That advocacy is for the family.

2917
03:53:31,250 --> 03:53:35,810
Because when they leave, they're going home with their caregivers or another family member.

2918
03:53:36,270 --> 03:53:38,610
We need to make sure that they are also stable.

2919
03:53:39,770 --> 03:53:41,130
We track cases.

2920
03:53:41,710 --> 03:53:44,930
So for our child advocacy center, we are non-dressed, jurisdictional.

2921
03:53:45,590 --> 03:53:51,730
And we know we have surrounding communities around here that people have moved to painting county from other ones.

2922
03:53:51,950 --> 03:53:58,350
If they have been alleged offenders or been system involved, we can get that connected to painting county,

2923
03:53:58,350 --> 03:54:03,470
whether it's investigators we're working with, prosecution, CPS, or all of them saying,

2924
03:54:03,710 --> 03:54:05,310
hey, we also have this information.

2925
03:54:06,170 --> 03:54:09,030
In alignment with that, we provide prevention and education.

2926
03:54:09,630 --> 03:54:14,390
We have a statewide prevention program since the time of its development.

2927
03:54:14,610 --> 03:54:19,950
We have provided education to over 50,000 adults in 4,000 youth.

2928
03:54:20,250 --> 03:54:22,910
Part of that is talking about adverse childhood experiences.

2929
03:54:22,910 --> 03:54:29,770
how experiences that adults had as a child have now impacted them into adulthood.

2930
03:54:30,330 --> 03:54:37,090
It's also looking at how we can prevent child abuse, recognizing the signs of it.

2931
03:54:37,370 --> 03:54:42,990
We provide training to our law enforcement partners here in Painted County, all of Rapid City, PD,

2932
03:54:43,710 --> 03:54:47,310
and Painted County new officers receive training on Bicarious Trauma,

2933
03:54:47,310 --> 03:54:52,570
how being in that helping role can impact them in the adverse childhood experiences.

2934
03:54:53,190 --> 03:54:56,410
We provide trainings that are free of charge across the community.

2935
03:55:01,700 --> 03:55:29,980
Why we use a child advocacy center is before child advocacy centers came into play. If a child were to report abuse, say to their teacher, then they tell their teacher, and their teacher says, okay, let's go tell the principal, and they have to repeat their story to the principal. And then their principal says, okay, let's now call your parents. Well, the parents may have been the alleged defenders, or they may say, hey, let's now call on enforcement, the child's having to repeat. That can retramatize a child. That can, that can,

2936
03:55:29,980 --> 03:55:34,900
prevent them from that healing journey. With a child advocacy center providing that education

2937
03:55:34,900 --> 03:55:40,320
of how to best respond when abuse is reported, working with our law enforcement partners

2938
03:55:40,320 --> 03:55:46,340
and our prosecution partners saying, okay, we will be the hubhouse. Everyone can come to us.

2939
03:55:46,500 --> 03:55:51,880
That is investing in that. Whether it's CPS, our investigators, prosecution, they come to us.

2940
03:55:52,000 --> 03:55:59,960
We have all the meeting of the minds in one spot that hopefully that child only has to be

2941
03:55:59,960 --> 03:56:02,240
prosecution has what they need for their case,

2942
03:56:02,440 --> 03:56:04,860
investigators have what they need, CPS has what they need,

2943
03:56:05,280 --> 03:56:08,200
and then our forensic interviewers can go so and do so

2944
03:56:08,200 --> 03:56:11,880
as those questions in a way that a child doesn't feel like

2945
03:56:11,880 --> 03:56:14,980
they're wrong for telling, that they feel that they were hurt,

2946
03:56:15,440 --> 03:56:18,980
that they knew that there was people here who could do something about it,

2947
03:56:18,980 --> 03:56:20,520
and that they could leave with their caregivers,

2948
03:56:21,060 --> 03:56:23,120
and their caregivers also had that support.

2949
03:56:26,580 --> 03:56:30,640
We average 350 interviews a year, over the last 10 years,

2950
03:56:30,640 --> 03:56:36,160
Our child advocacy center has experienced a 26% increase in the number of forensic interviews.

2951
03:56:36,680 --> 03:56:42,400
If you see there in 2020, when schools shut down, 50% of our disclosures, that's someone

2952
03:56:42,400 --> 03:56:44,560
reporting their views come from schools.

2953
03:56:45,360 --> 03:56:47,700
Well, it was scary to think schools closing down.

2954
03:56:47,740 --> 03:56:49,600
There's nobody that has eyes on these kids.

2955
03:56:49,840 --> 03:56:54,040
You can actually see that our interviews maintained during that time as well.

2956
03:56:56,280 --> 03:57:07,700
In 2024, of the 347 interviews, 235 of them were female victims ages 0-5, 56 ages 6 to 10,

2957
03:57:07,720 --> 03:57:13,100
there were 113, 11 to 17, 161, and then 18 plus.

2958
03:57:13,300 --> 03:57:14,020
We have six.

2959
03:57:16,220 --> 03:57:19,200
The highest percentage of alleged abuse is sexual abuse.

2960
03:57:19,240 --> 03:57:22,220
That makes up 70% of our cases.

2961
03:57:22,220 --> 03:57:29,420
90% of child sexual abuse cases, the offenders, someone that that child knew, entrusted.

2962
03:57:30,340 --> 03:57:36,840
We still teach stranger danger, but it's not as valuable as informing them of what can

2963
03:57:36,840 --> 03:57:38,140
happen within their own families.

2964
03:57:38,540 --> 03:57:44,980
This will be a 17% witness to violence, 12% in neglect is 0.03 and we know that children

2965
03:57:44,980 --> 03:57:47,660
may experience more than one type of abuse.

2966
03:57:49,450 --> 03:57:57,610
When we are looking at that budget justification, the average cost per forensic interview is $1,250.

2967
03:57:58,530 --> 03:58:02,290
The National Range is 1,500 per interview.

2968
03:58:02,830 --> 03:58:12,130
We are in a accredited child advocacy center, meaning that every five years we have to be re-accredited to make sure that we are maintaining our standards and our protocols.

2969
03:58:12,130 --> 03:58:15,170
That forensic interview, again, especially trained.

2970
03:58:16,090 --> 03:58:19,310
I could hire somebody next week to be a forensic interviewer,

2971
03:58:19,410 --> 03:58:23,710
but the first time that they will provide an interview could be five to six months down the road.

2972
03:58:24,150 --> 03:58:26,130
They have to have a lot of training.

2973
03:58:26,790 --> 03:58:29,450
And then that multi-disciplinary team coordination.

2974
03:58:29,590 --> 03:58:34,590
Again, we work with our law enforcement, prosecution, CPS, mental health, medical.

2975
03:58:35,290 --> 03:58:38,350
So while in my office, I have five employees.

2976
03:58:39,290 --> 03:58:44,490
There's a huge team outside of that that we are coordinating with on a daily basis.

2977
03:58:45,250 --> 03:58:47,130
Maintaining the equipment costs.

2978
03:58:47,310 --> 03:58:49,870
Our interviews are recorded.

2979
03:58:50,510 --> 03:58:55,570
There's special equipment that we need for that to be able to record it to have it in a live feed.

2980
03:58:55,670 --> 03:58:59,670
As I said, our investing agencies come in to watch the forensic interview.

2981
03:59:00,030 --> 03:59:02,730
And we need to make sure that they are seeing it in real time.

2982
03:59:02,810 --> 03:59:04,510
As it is, they're investigation.

2983
03:59:04,510 --> 03:59:10,330
And documenting those cases and tracking them and reporting, we make sure that we have that

2984
03:59:10,330 --> 03:59:11,610
where the hubhouse of information.

2985
03:59:11,990 --> 03:59:19,170
We have multiple, multiple different counties that come to us and people have now reside

2986
03:59:19,170 --> 03:59:23,470
here before and we're able to put all of that together, which can increase that prosecution

2987
03:59:23,470 --> 03:59:24,110
rate.

2988
03:59:24,570 --> 03:59:26,850
We can help build those stronger cases.

2989
03:59:26,910 --> 03:59:31,870
We can help work with our prosecution so that they can call the forensic interviewers

2990
03:59:31,870 --> 03:59:33,870
and for that expert testimony as well.

2991
03:59:33,870 --> 03:59:36,330
Jordan, I found someone that talks faster than you.

2992
03:59:36,790 --> 03:59:37,270
I'm sorry.

2993
03:59:37,510 --> 03:59:40,830
I'm trying to get it all in and I...

2994
03:59:40,830 --> 03:59:43,170
If you leave me to slow down, I sure can.

2995
03:59:43,330 --> 03:59:44,350
I didn't mean to be...

2996
03:59:44,350 --> 03:59:45,290
I didn't mean to be...

2997
03:59:45,290 --> 03:59:45,850
I'm so good.

2998
03:59:46,270 --> 03:59:46,530
Okay.

2999
03:59:46,710 --> 03:59:47,930
We're gonna see you...

3000
03:59:47,930 --> 03:59:48,270
Ooh, we're looking better.

3001
03:59:48,330 --> 03:59:50,290
I'm trying to get through it, I'm trying to get through it.

3002
03:59:50,310 --> 03:59:51,190
I did send this.

3003
03:59:51,390 --> 03:59:54,610
If you need to reflect later, I'm seeing a pretty awesome point for us

3004
03:59:54,610 --> 03:59:55,950
and try to get on point to us.

3005
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:19,380
So for that cost effectiveness that cat model prevents the redundant interviews that streamlines our investigations, improves our outcomes for children, while reducing that long-term cause, associated with untreated trauma, extending investigations or unsuccessful prosecutions.

3006
04:00:19,380 --> 04:00:28,360
From January 1 of 2024 to July 1 of 2025, we have conducted 169 interviews for Pennington County.

3007
04:00:29,000 --> 04:00:37,380
If we were to charge the standard minimum of $150 per interview, that would be at a cost of over $25,000.

3008
04:00:38,180 --> 04:00:42,940
For 2025 alone, we have completed 47 interviews for Pennington County.

3009
04:00:43,780 --> 04:00:47,180
Schools start in two months. Like I said, 50% of our

3010
04:00:47,180 --> 04:00:51,980
disclosures come from that school setting. So that's also right now providing that

3011
04:00:51,980 --> 04:00:56,180
prevention education, meeting with our schools, July to August, that's my

3012
04:00:56,180 --> 04:01:00,320
busiest for meeting with schools on what does it look like when a child discoses

3013
04:01:00,320 --> 04:01:05,320
abuse? What do are the signs and symptoms? What are those next steps? And our

3014
04:01:05,320 --> 04:01:09,740
request reflects a commitment to providing best practice services that protect

3015
04:01:09,740 --> 04:01:13,900
children, promote healing and support justice within our community.

3016
04:01:16,350 --> 04:01:17,270
Here are some real

3017
04:01:17,270 --> 04:01:22,390
comments from on the left are from some of our caregivers and on the right are from

3018
04:01:22,390 --> 04:01:27,190
some of our youth. They were very nice and thorough. They made my daughter feel comfortable

3019
04:01:27,190 --> 04:01:41,190
and heard. We appreciate the support in Judge Free Zone here. From the youth, it was

3020
04:01:41,190 --> 04:01:47,290
nice. I felt safe talking here and they made me feel less worried. I enjoyed being able to

3021
04:01:47,290 --> 04:01:53,130
discuss topics that I'm not able to with others. When we have families that come in and we know

3022
04:01:53,130 --> 04:01:57,830
that they're there for something horrendous that they had no control over and when I have a

3023
04:01:57,830 --> 04:02:03,350
youth that says, hey can I come back next week? Hey, when you call my mom, can I come back? I have

3024
04:02:03,350 --> 04:02:08,570
one that organized my entire advocacy room hanging out there and said, wow, it's never been so

3025
04:02:08,570 --> 04:02:11,450
organized, he said, call my mom, I'll be back next week.

3026
04:02:12,210 --> 04:02:13,050
Okay, thanks, Freddie.

3027
04:02:13,230 --> 04:02:15,130
I'm glad that it was a positive experience.

3028
04:02:17,870 --> 04:02:19,790
The total revenue for the Child Advocacy Center,

3029
04:02:19,990 --> 04:02:23,250
so children's home society has multiple programs,

3030
04:02:24,150 --> 04:02:27,650
but that $10,000 just goes to the Child Advocacy Center

3031
04:02:27,650 --> 04:02:29,690
and the services that we provide.

3032
04:02:30,170 --> 04:02:31,830
So for Child Advocacy Center,

3033
04:02:31,990 --> 04:02:39,310
the total revenue of 541,068 total expenses, 552,304.

3034
04:02:39,310 --> 04:02:46,550
The fees collected by the county account for 0.01% of the total revenue for our child advocacy center

3035
04:02:46,550 --> 04:02:53,570
about 60% of the child advocacy center is donor funded.

3036
04:02:55,050 --> 04:03:02,310
We recognize that this, and when I say we children's home society recognizes that this is a specialized service.

3037
04:03:02,310 --> 04:03:07,170
and step up to provide that service over two decades ago.

3038
04:03:07,270 --> 04:03:08,590
Thanks Laura. Thanks for that.

3039
04:03:09,870 --> 04:03:13,170
And providing that service and how important it is.

3040
04:03:13,590 --> 04:03:16,150
And we realized that with a bulk of funding,

3041
04:03:16,150 --> 04:03:18,990
victims of crime act dollars, that fluctuates.

3042
04:03:20,890 --> 04:03:23,510
We still need to be able to provide that service.

3043
04:03:23,890 --> 04:03:26,890
So we have an endowment that can allow us

3044
04:03:26,890 --> 04:03:29,450
to continue with that programming and sustainability

3045
04:03:29,450 --> 04:03:36,450
So that we don't have an interruption in services for our community and for our families within our communities.

3046
04:03:37,010 --> 04:03:39,430
I think I have one more.

3047
04:03:40,070 --> 04:03:45,110
Previously, we received $8,500 from the county.

3048
04:03:45,290 --> 04:03:47,710
It was in like $21,22.

3049
04:03:48,070 --> 04:03:48,770
That's okay, Jordan.

3050
04:03:48,910 --> 04:03:49,650
It's around there.

3051
04:03:49,810 --> 04:03:52,750
That it bumped up to $10,000 per year.

3052
04:03:52,990 --> 04:03:57,290
That funding covers approximately 66 forensic interviews.

3053
04:03:57,290 --> 04:04:01,630
if we were to charge at that standard minimum rate to other counties.

3054
04:04:02,890 --> 04:04:09,510
I think it's important to note that if the number of forensic interviews exceeds this coverage, the service is continued.

3055
04:04:10,310 --> 04:04:13,110
We don't say to our investigators to our prosecution,

3056
04:04:13,530 --> 04:04:17,610
no, sorry, we're maxed out on what was allocated for funding.

3057
04:04:18,050 --> 04:04:19,210
We can't provide that service.

3058
04:04:19,510 --> 04:04:24,570
We continue to provide that service without an additional cost to the county.

3059
04:04:24,570 --> 04:04:28,550
And this funding strengthens our capacity to serve the community.

3060
04:04:30,870 --> 04:04:31,910
Thank you.

3061
04:04:31,910 --> 04:04:32,090
Yes.

3062
04:04:32,090 --> 04:04:34,410
How many minutes do you work?

3063
04:04:34,750 --> 04:04:39,030
I see two people walking up front and I'm going to say something vital.

3064
04:04:40,550 --> 04:04:41,950
Sure, if you have the floor.

3065
04:04:42,430 --> 04:04:44,030
I'm Brian Nealer again, heading to County Sheriff.

3066
04:04:44,490 --> 04:04:47,270
That's why I wanted to thank them for coming in and giving that presentation.

3067
04:04:48,270 --> 04:04:50,410
And I've been doing this work for a lot of years.

3068
04:04:51,250 --> 04:04:55,290
And before we had this great system in place, we had a little bit of a

3069
04:04:55,290 --> 04:04:57,810
hotge podge where we were training our own staff on how to do

3070
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:29,100
Do these very sensitive interviews with young people and sensitive topics? And it's very expensive training. It's expensive to get the training, to maintain it, and then to try to keep a person for a long enough period of time to do those specific interviews without them getting promoted and moving on is very difficult. So the $10,000 is a very small investment for what we get out of it. Our partnership is great, longstanding.

3071
04:05:29,100 --> 04:05:32,060
And also, they provide other services that they didn't even talk about today.

3072
04:05:32,180 --> 04:05:37,040
When they come in and testify and they testify on all of these cases for the prosecution,

3073
04:05:37,240 --> 04:05:39,980
they don't charge pending to county any additional dollars for that.

3074
04:05:40,460 --> 04:05:47,700
So if you do the math on roughly 140 interviews a year, they're charging us about $71 a day,

3075
04:05:47,980 --> 04:05:53,700
I know that if the feds, for example, come in and get an interview, they're paying significantly

3076
04:05:53,700 --> 04:05:56,580
more than that to help offset some of those costs.

3077
04:05:56,580 --> 04:05:59,640
So it's a good partnership, it's a good investment.

3078
04:05:59,980 --> 04:06:04,200
We've definitely, this is one of these things that Commissioner Durr talked about, that it's

3079
04:06:04,200 --> 04:06:09,760
a service outside of what we currently do, and we could not touch providing that valuable service

3080
04:06:09,760 --> 04:06:12,760
for $10,000 a year, so I just wanted to provide that input.

3081
04:06:13,540 --> 04:06:14,580
I think he answered the question.

3082
04:06:15,540 --> 04:06:17,120
He's a quoted thing for a reason.

3083
04:06:17,380 --> 04:06:18,240
I'm listening to you.

3084
04:06:20,240 --> 04:06:25,320
So Brian, I do have a question for you as well.

3085
04:06:25,320 --> 04:06:32,260
So when you're talking about the number of cases and you say pennington county, is that, is that

3086
04:06:32,260 --> 04:06:36,540
excluding rapid city, or is that including rapid city and all the other municipalities?

3087
04:06:37,940 --> 04:06:43,760
That would, it covers rapid city as well because of how these investigations work

3088
04:06:43,760 --> 04:06:49,320
Sheriff, this probably you're laying in front of the mind, but they oversee those investigations for

3089
04:06:49,320 --> 04:06:54,740
it's a BPD. It is the painting county sergeant that oversees the investigation.

3090
04:06:54,980 --> 04:06:58,300
All right. And so are you getting funding from Rapid City as well?

3091
04:06:59,700 --> 04:07:07,860
Rapid City matches that at the 10,000. All right. And then you have Brian getting back two years ago.

3092
04:07:08,160 --> 04:07:15,640
So these cases used to be done primarily with DSS. And I'm assuming that this is a better service.

3093
04:07:17,220 --> 04:07:21,500
The SDSS is still involved in the process, but they don't do the interviews.

3094
04:07:21,660 --> 04:07:23,760
And more inclusive service, I would say.

3095
04:07:24,560 --> 04:07:24,700
All right.

3096
04:07:24,920 --> 04:07:27,040
If I can speak just a little to that.

3097
04:07:27,220 --> 04:07:31,260
DSS primarily gets involved if it's a parent guardian or caretaker.

3098
04:07:32,040 --> 04:07:33,860
That's when DSS will get involved.

3099
04:07:34,400 --> 04:07:36,380
So they are still one of our partners.

3100
04:07:36,600 --> 04:07:40,780
They are one of our investigating agencies that can do something with that information.

3101
04:07:40,780 --> 04:07:48,780
but the number of our referrals is much higher from our painting County Law Enforcement Partners than it is from DSS.

3102
04:07:49,820 --> 04:07:52,950
All right, so I got a question that segues off that.

3103
04:07:53,420 --> 04:07:57,760
The referral comes from the Sheriff's Department to you for a forensic or whatever.

3104
04:07:58,120 --> 04:07:59,160
So for you.

3105
04:07:59,180 --> 04:08:07,340
Yep, we only take referrals for a case from law enforcement or from DSS or from the State of Trans Office.

3106
04:08:07,520 --> 04:08:09,740
They can request an interview as well.

3107
04:08:09,740 --> 04:08:15,740
And I'm curious of what are you, not that this is relevant to anything, but I'm just more curious

3108
04:08:15,740 --> 04:08:16,320
of myself.

3109
04:08:16,720 --> 04:08:21,280
Personally, what is your potential to allow you to do these, I mean, I see it, these fronts

3110
04:08:21,280 --> 04:08:30,020
have got it to be very, very, I mean, I'm saddening to me, but I can't imagine to you, but

3111
04:08:30,020 --> 04:08:34,060
how do you prepare to do one of these, what do you, what did you do to get to this point?

3112
04:08:35,640 --> 04:08:41,860
I have worked with kids for me, my entire professional career, so I worked with Vulnerable Youth

3113
04:08:41,860 --> 04:08:42,720
for a very long time.

3114
04:08:42,780 --> 04:08:48,680
I would say that everyone's track within my office has been much different and but how

3115
04:08:48,680 --> 04:08:53,320
we've got there is we all started with the Human Services degree and we found ourselves in

3116
04:08:53,320 --> 04:08:58,300
roles with a high turnover rate and we looked and did some reflection and said how are we

3117
04:08:58,300 --> 04:09:03,140
going to be a part of the solution instead of a part of the problem and that's how we ended

3118
04:09:03,140 --> 04:09:09,320
up at the Child Advocacy Center is looking at that holistic approach that we're there for

3119
04:09:09,320 --> 04:09:13,800
that child they're most vulnerable. We also have to take care of that family and their needs

3120
04:09:13,800 --> 04:09:20,800
so that we don't continue to have children victims that will to be adult victims who then

3121
04:09:20,800 --> 04:09:25,740
continue that cycle of having children and didn't break that cycle. So being there to provide those

3122
04:09:25,740 --> 04:09:31,740
resources and services and sometimes it's just being that year for them to say you can do this

3123
04:09:31,740 --> 04:09:33,780
and being able to do that.

3124
04:09:33,900 --> 04:09:36,740
And just seeing the judge coming out and taking here

3125
04:09:37,280 --> 04:09:42,840
for our second review for unbiased position on.

3126
04:09:42,840 --> 04:09:44,960
Yeah, fast-shining, unbiased.

3127
04:09:45,140 --> 04:09:46,680
It's not leading in suggestive.

3128
04:09:47,140 --> 04:09:50,200
It's really just about the child getting to tell their story

3129
04:09:50,200 --> 04:09:51,440
in the time that they want.

3130
04:09:51,740 --> 04:09:54,720
We never force a child to talk if they're not ready.

3131
04:09:55,160 --> 04:09:56,620
We're then going to come back to the table

3132
04:09:56,620 --> 04:09:58,360
with our multidisciplinary team and say,

3133
04:09:58,360 --> 04:09:59,980
Okay, we can't get to that in this-

3134
04:10:00,540 --> 04:10:11,080
We need to make sure that the mental health is taking care of first, and our partners are so good about saying, okay, you let us know, you get that connected and then we can meet back.

3135
04:10:11,080 --> 04:10:11,800
Wow,

3136
04:10:14,050 --> 04:10:14,650
Mr. Chair.

3137
04:10:15,190 --> 04:10:15,430
Yes, Commissioner.

3138
04:10:15,430 --> 04:10:16,130
I would like to question.

3139
04:10:16,290 --> 04:10:21,310
How do you integrate with other agencies like Lutheran and social services,

3140
04:10:21,570 --> 04:10:22,810
or have a city-school district?

3141
04:10:23,850 --> 04:10:29,310
I'm assuming they give you referrals or doesn't go to the state's attorney.

3142
04:10:30,030 --> 04:10:31,630
So I guess you're clients.

3143
04:10:31,870 --> 04:10:33,690
How do they be clients?

3144
04:10:34,170 --> 04:10:34,810
Learn of us.

3145
04:10:35,990 --> 04:10:39,690
So part of that prevention education is me going out providing education

3146
04:10:39,690 --> 04:10:42,490
on recognizing the signs and symptoms

3147
04:10:42,490 --> 04:10:47,590
of abuse and how the handle of disclosure of a child comes to you and then what that reporting

3148
04:10:47,590 --> 04:10:52,790
process looks like. So providing that education, they receive a report, move through

3149
04:10:52,790 --> 04:10:58,450
social services, many of them are mandated reporters, meaning that they have to, they have to,

3150
04:10:58,570 --> 04:11:03,490
they have to codify law, that they have to report that abuse once they report it to law enforcement

3151
04:11:03,490 --> 04:11:09,710
or CPS or prosecution, then we get involved our partners reach out to us. We staff the case

3152
04:11:09,710 --> 04:11:14,310
we go from there. Yeah, I just wondered what the process was. Well, it's for SPI, we

3153
04:11:14,310 --> 04:11:18,950
provide interviews for SPI, too, it's the same kind of process. So, where's your

3154
04:11:18,950 --> 04:11:26,130
physical location then? We are currently at the old NAU building off of Highway 16

3155
04:11:26,130 --> 04:11:31,990
over on your right hand side. Peace on Rapid City, then. Rockerville is our residential

3156
04:11:31,990 --> 04:11:36,670
facility, we're before that. Yep, and you all are welcome any time to come see our

3157
04:11:36,670 --> 04:11:38,890
facility, I would be happy to give you a tour.

3158
04:11:39,230 --> 04:11:39,750
I

3159
04:11:41,890 --> 04:11:49,210
don't know what to say, but yeah, that's a lot, I'd be like, I do, I do appreciate your

3160
04:11:49,210 --> 04:11:49,550
passion.

3161
04:11:49,870 --> 04:11:51,150
How long have you been there?

3162
04:11:52,210 --> 04:11:54,810
I have been there for just over three years.

3163
04:11:55,030 --> 04:12:00,270
Hopefully, I mean, you're there for a lot longer, but you're all Jessica, broyer.

3164
04:12:01,190 --> 04:12:04,870
So what's the burnout rate for a lot of the, you know, we have straight.

3165
04:12:05,570 --> 04:12:14,070
So we do pretty solid I have friends I can agree with that's been there for 15 years

3166
04:12:14,070 --> 04:12:20,910
and that's been there for six or seven and when you're one that's been there going

3167
04:12:20,910 --> 04:12:25,210
she's going on two years that's unheard of in this field.

3168
04:12:26,070 --> 04:12:31,250
My family advocate coordinator has been there over 20 years and she coordinates with our medical

3169
04:12:31,250 --> 04:12:37,650
meeting with our specialized pediatricians. That's unheard of. There's only three accredited child

3170
04:12:37,650 --> 04:12:45,630
advocacy centers in the state of South Dakota. Third, peer-solid child's wife turnover way out

3171
04:12:45,630 --> 04:12:50,650
within two years usually. So the children home side, you should always have your speaks and not only

3172
04:12:50,650 --> 04:12:56,330
you know, your job, you know, this is just too strict. Spend a lot of time out there, yes.

3173
04:12:56,330 --> 04:12:58,390
And I can tell you, Ron is right.

3174
04:12:58,570 --> 04:13:00,890
Your passion shows what you're doing,

3175
04:13:00,950 --> 04:13:02,590
and you'll also know more about it.

3176
04:13:02,590 --> 04:13:04,670
And you'll want to know everything about what you're talking about,

3177
04:13:05,090 --> 04:13:06,890
and you're obviously show that today.

3178
04:13:07,210 --> 04:13:08,090
So that was pretty awesome.

3179
04:13:08,230 --> 04:13:08,690
Thank you.

3180
04:13:09,110 --> 04:13:09,510
Thank you.

3181
04:13:09,630 --> 04:13:11,670
Any more questions for the young lady?

3182
04:13:12,110 --> 04:13:12,990
No, it was great information.

3183
04:13:13,430 --> 04:13:13,650
Thank you.

3184
04:13:13,930 --> 04:13:14,410
Very good.

3185
04:13:14,430 --> 04:13:15,790
Thank you very much for the presentation.

3186
04:13:17,730 --> 04:13:19,030
And we'll move on, Mr. Jordan.

3187
04:13:19,870 --> 04:13:20,290
All right.

3188
04:13:20,350 --> 04:13:22,210
Do we have anyone here from Journey on?

3189
04:13:22,330 --> 04:13:23,250
I don't believe so.

3190
04:13:23,590 --> 04:13:25,270
So they're more than, in terms of...

3191
04:13:25,270 --> 04:13:25,730
Journey on.

3192
04:13:25,730 --> 04:13:27,410
So we'll move to complete health.

3193
04:13:28,650 --> 04:13:29,490
You're in waiting.

3194
04:13:29,930 --> 04:13:30,650
He has patiently.

3195
04:13:33,450 --> 04:13:34,330
Complete health.

3196
04:13:34,510 --> 04:13:35,530
Thank you guys.

3197
04:13:36,810 --> 04:13:37,410
Thank you, sir.

3198
04:13:37,610 --> 04:13:38,790
I don't envy you, guys.

3199
04:13:39,590 --> 04:13:40,570
I haven't to do all this.

3200
04:13:41,710 --> 04:13:42,750
Oh, we learn a lot, man.

3201
04:13:42,750 --> 04:13:43,150
Yeah.

3202
04:13:43,470 --> 04:13:44,990
It's pretty cool on that.

3203
04:13:44,990 --> 04:13:46,170
Since I've got there going, you know.

3204
04:13:46,170 --> 04:13:48,650
I've got my dog from the K&A society.

3205
04:13:49,530 --> 04:13:51,910
My son-in-law works for me as a wheels.

3206
04:13:52,390 --> 04:13:54,150
So I don't think he's the one.

3207
04:13:54,990 --> 04:13:56,930
Yeah, that films is so nice.

3208
04:13:56,970 --> 04:13:58,030
Yeah, so yeah.

3209
04:13:58,030 --> 04:13:58,570
No.

3210
04:13:58,670 --> 04:14:01,150
Snap and picture and circulate it.

3211
04:14:02,390 --> 04:14:05,330
Might as soon turn out on the CEO for complete health.

3212
04:14:05,330 --> 04:14:08,710
Thank you again for taking this time.

3213
04:14:09,310 --> 04:14:13,450
Let me tell you a little bit about completely health and what we do.

3214
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There is.

3215
04:14:14,770 --> 04:14:24,130
We are one of those agencies that traditionally the county has funded as a cost of

3216
04:14:24,130 --> 04:14:31,090
that you have to pay for emergency care, unexpected hospitalizations for the

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04:14:31,090 --> 04:14:36,070
indigent. And so back when back in the 90s the county stepped forward

3218
04:14:36,070 --> 04:14:40,890
basically, along with some lucky mucks over at Regional Health, and said, hey,

3219
04:14:41,110 --> 04:14:45,670
let's apply to you become a to open up and stand up a federally qualified health

3220
04:14:45,670 --> 04:14:50,330
center. And so about 1998 is when back that it was called Rapid City Community Health,

3221
04:14:50,330 --> 04:14:56,390
and there was founded with basically one doctor in that and it is grown since then.

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04:14:57,590 --> 04:14:59,750
We are what's considered a federally qualified health.

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04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:03,660
Here are the only federally qualified health center in the Rapid City, the only one of the Black Hills.

3224
04:15:04,520 --> 04:15:08,840
And what that basically means is that there's a number of things that we have to do to get that qualification.

3225
04:15:09,780 --> 04:15:14,740
We get a federal grant to do that. It's about 3 million bucks that we get.

3226
04:15:14,820 --> 04:15:20,240
Our overall budget is about 13 million bucks. So you can kind of do the math in terms of what that covers.

3227
04:15:21,180 --> 04:15:29,480
In that, with that, we provide care to everybody. We basically provide basic primary care, basic medical care, basic dental care.

3228
04:15:30,200 --> 04:15:35,760
basic mental health care and basic pharmaceutical care for everyone that walks through our

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04:15:35,760 --> 04:15:40,760
doors, insured, uninsured, rich poor, but for those of qualified we provide them care

3230
04:15:40,760 --> 04:15:44,780
on a sliding scale and so whether they're insured or unsure, they can apply for our sliding

3231
04:15:44,780 --> 04:15:50,580
scale and therefore they can hopefully get affordable access to basic primary care and

3232
04:15:50,580 --> 04:15:59,460
I've forgotten them from having to use the emergency room, et cetera, et cetera.

3233
04:15:59,460 --> 04:16:05,300
In 758, 100 of our patients are homeless, housing is secure, they're living either at the

3234
04:16:05,300 --> 04:16:10,800
mission or one heart or some other agency or out there on the streets.

3235
04:16:11,480 --> 04:16:15,280
For those individuals that come through our doors, we provide that care for them at no cost

3236
04:16:15,280 --> 04:16:16,600
to them.

3237
04:16:16,760 --> 04:16:21,100
And that's for a thing to see a physician, they can see a counselor, they can see a dentist,

3238
04:16:22,120 --> 04:16:29,100
and addition we will run their labs for them to provide them with pharmaceutical care.

3239
04:16:29,580 --> 04:16:33,420
with the idea, obviously, that we want to get them off the street and get them, obviously,

3240
04:16:33,940 --> 04:16:36,240
transition to a more stable life.

3241
04:16:37,100 --> 04:16:41,120
What we do with our county money, that you guys are gracious to give us for, is we use it

3242
04:16:41,120 --> 04:16:44,180
for our copious assistance program within our pharmacy.

3243
04:16:44,780 --> 04:16:50,100
One of the advantages that we have, as a federally qualified health center, is we can buy

3244
04:16:50,100 --> 04:16:55,800
medications that what's called the 340B price, which is essentially the lowest price available

3245
04:16:56,440 --> 04:17:01,820
And then the basically revenues that we make from insurance companies, we blow off of that,

3246
04:17:01,920 --> 04:17:05,380
is the basically reinvesting and doing what we're doing.

3247
04:17:06,180 --> 04:17:10,520
And so what we end up doing is that for those patients that come through ours are doors that

3248
04:17:10,520 --> 04:17:15,840
are insured that may have some high deductibles, so there may be some beds that are very expensive

3249
04:17:15,840 --> 04:17:19,920
for them, and we can provide them cheaper for those that are uninsured.

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04:17:20,580 --> 04:17:25,780
And so rather than having them all just get it at our uninsured price, we basically charge them

3251
04:17:25,780 --> 04:17:30,920
with the uninsured price would be and we subsidized the rest of their copay with the money we

3252
04:17:30,920 --> 04:17:35,760
get from the county which allows us then to submit those to the insurance companies and get

3253
04:17:35,760 --> 04:17:40,940
the revenue for that and then reinvest it. And so basically the money that we get from the county

3254
04:17:40,940 --> 04:17:45,400
we're able to get for every dollar you guys give us we can basically turn that into about three or four

3255
04:17:45,400 --> 04:17:49,960
dollars worth of revenue which allows us to obviously do and continue our mission.

3256
04:17:50,600 --> 04:17:55,580
The other big thing is that that base grant that we get from the federal government that

3257
04:17:55,580 --> 04:18:02,600
three million bucks, that's been unchanged since 2010 and so we have had to, doesn't matter

3258
04:18:02,600 --> 04:18:06,920
how many unnecessary patients we see or what we do, they basically give us that amount

3259
04:18:06,920 --> 04:18:11,920
of money and we have to basically figure out how we are going to do or continue our mission.

3260
04:18:12,160 --> 04:18:13,220
We've been very successful.

3261
04:18:13,260 --> 04:18:17,420
I think over the last number of years, through I think one of the things is unique sort

3262
04:18:17,420 --> 04:18:23,940
partnership that we have at the county, that allows us to extend, basically, our funds.

3263
04:18:25,440 --> 04:18:29,980
It's a challenging year for us, Commissioner Roskinette, can tell you that it's been a very

3264
04:18:29,980 --> 04:18:31,060
challenging year for us.

3265
04:18:31,160 --> 04:18:32,000
We're anticipating it.

3266
04:18:32,000 --> 04:18:34,320
We'll be another challenging year with some of the changes.

3267
04:18:34,520 --> 04:18:38,440
We're anticipating some cuts, obviously, for Medicaid, the work requirement going into

3268
04:18:38,440 --> 04:18:42,500
place will dramatically reduce in terms of the number of patients that we have.

3269
04:18:42,500 --> 04:18:52,640
Since Medicaid expansion, we've seen roughly about 41 percent, 41 percent of our patients that we see are covered by Medicaid.

3270
04:18:53,060 --> 04:18:56,860
The vast majority of those obviously are going to be pediatric patients that come through our doors.

3271
04:18:58,160 --> 04:19:04,620
But just prior to Medicaid expansion, it was probably about 25 percent of our patients were covered by Medicaid.

3272
04:19:04,720 --> 04:19:08,300
So we've seen an increase in the number of patients that we see that are covered by Medicaid.

3273
04:19:10,120 --> 04:19:20,740
And conversely, we've seen a significant drop of the number of uninsured patients that we have seen that we were probably about 30% prior to Medicaid expansion and we dropped that down to about 16-17%.

3274
04:19:20,740 --> 04:19:24,480
So, we are preparing ourselves for obviously some financial belt tightening.

3275
04:19:24,740 --> 04:19:32,660
In terms of that, because obviously it's a lot easier for us to have somebody paying for care rather than having a uninsured and to figure out how it really makes us meet.

3276
04:19:33,680 --> 04:19:41,280
So over the last year, we've had to look at, we've closed our, we operate three clinics, four clinics that should set.

3277
04:19:41,700 --> 04:19:42,580
We did operate four clinics.

3278
04:19:42,620 --> 04:19:49,720
We have our main clinic, which is over on the, on the, on the north side of town.

3279
04:19:50,920 --> 04:19:52,580
That's where our main clinic is.

3280
04:19:52,860 --> 04:19:57,980
We operate a clinic at the one-heart site, which is obviously seeing a lot of housing insecure folks.

3281
04:19:58,200 --> 04:19:59,220
Let's see if it comes through that.

3282
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:18,920
We were running a clinic at General Beetle Elementary School, a school-based clinic there. We just closed that one, just for operational to reduce that, to redirect all those patients to our clinic at the main clinic. The way I also do outreach stuff to, quarter-stop, resolution to try to get them involved and get them tied back into care.

3283
04:20:20,760 --> 04:20:29,200
I don't have to tell you that obviously in terms of what we're trying to do is to make sure that we can meet some of those health needs, not only to make sure that all the chronic illnesses are taken care of.

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04:20:29,760 --> 04:20:39,400
But to get them tied in so that they have a safe place that they can go so we can take care of some of their mental health substance use all those sort of things which are crucial when you're dealing with the energy to make sure that they've got a space for that.

3285
04:20:43,180 --> 04:20:44,400
Yeah, so questions.

3286
04:20:44,780 --> 04:20:45,540
Thank you.

3287
04:20:45,540 --> 04:20:46,240
Is it chair?

3288
04:20:46,600 --> 04:20:52,200
Because I can tell you might expand when I was at that last meeting there was a different ways that

3289
04:20:52,200 --> 04:20:59,180
So, please help one of the reduce their overall budget and there was about a over a page of ideas.

3290
04:21:00,820 --> 04:21:04,220
And I don't want that total dollar amount was, but it was pretty aggressive.

3291
04:21:04,720 --> 04:21:08,780
And I know there was some feedback from some of the folks on Zoom and not what not,

3292
04:21:08,880 --> 04:21:18,840
but can you maybe just mention a few of those ideas that were mentioned at that meeting on how you guys plan on reducing your budget,

3293
04:21:19,300 --> 04:21:22,200
help pay a raise for a year or something like that.

3294
04:21:22,520 --> 04:21:25,580
Yeah, we've obviously taken a look at a whole bunch of things which are probably the same

3295
04:21:25,580 --> 04:21:29,100
things that you guys would be looking at in terms of, obviously pay freezes in terms of being able

3296
04:21:29,100 --> 04:21:32,920
to do that. That's a challenge obviously because we live in a competitive market or in terms of

3297
04:21:32,920 --> 04:21:36,800
all that. Once we lose some of that, we've looked at closing some of those outreach clinics like

3298
04:21:36,800 --> 04:21:42,080
our one-heart clinic in terms of can we continue to sustain that if our costs were to go down.

3299
04:21:42,580 --> 04:21:48,160
We've looked at reducing sort of ourcillary sort of support services. We have community health workers

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04:21:48,160 --> 04:21:54,640
for instance that assist with folks that are getting them tied into some of the agencies and

3301
04:21:54,640 --> 04:21:59,260
social service sort of stuff and assisting with, you know, basically navigating them through

3302
04:21:59,260 --> 04:22:05,560
the system, we've looked at reducing our patient medication or assistance program in terms of

3303
04:22:05,560 --> 04:22:11,980
some of the stuff that we do in terms of as a lot of drug companies that provide free meds to folks

3304
04:22:11,980 --> 04:22:16,100
that qualify because a lot of paperwork you need to be able to go through to follow that,

3305
04:22:18,140 --> 04:22:18,140
you

3306
04:22:18,140 --> 04:22:23,220
obviously to be able to provide and then really then it gets down to

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04:22:23,220 --> 04:22:25,740
reducing some of our additional staff from our care staff and reducing

3308
04:22:25,740 --> 04:22:29,520
the amount of access that we have. So we've got a whole bunch of those

3309
04:22:29,520 --> 04:22:33,500
sort of things that we're looking at turn to kind of a punch list in terms of

3310
04:22:33,500 --> 04:22:37,930
as things change and should our funding reduce how can we cut things you know.

3311
04:22:39,140 --> 04:22:45,080
And we want to pretty lean ship as it is and so we recognize that at this point

3312
04:22:45,080 --> 04:22:49,740
Well, we start to reduce things that we start to cut in the boat, you know, in terms of reducing

3313
04:22:49,740 --> 04:22:50,740
basically the access.

3314
04:22:51,400 --> 04:22:56,180
And so, we hate to do that, but if we need to do that, that's what we'll do.

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04:22:57,100 --> 04:23:03,580
I think you mentioned dental services, not a real profitable portion of the income.

3316
04:23:04,500 --> 04:23:07,840
So, yeah, dental services is one of those things your average cost per care and a dental

3317
04:23:07,840 --> 04:23:11,820
visit within our clinic is roughly about six to seven hundred dollars per visit.

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04:23:11,820 --> 04:23:16,100
So clearly, those patients that come in on our sliding scale,

3319
04:23:16,180 --> 04:23:18,220
they're only paying $30 for a visit.

3320
04:23:18,280 --> 04:23:20,440
We're having to subsidize that with the rest of our care.

3321
04:23:20,740 --> 04:23:22,960
And so dental services is one of those things

3322
04:23:23,820 --> 04:23:25,280
that is a huge need.

3323
04:23:26,100 --> 04:23:28,260
If you look in terms of the emergency room with the hospitals,

3324
04:23:28,620 --> 04:23:29,420
probably one of the greatest needs,

3325
04:23:29,520 --> 04:23:32,400
where people go into the emergency room that are uninsured.

3326
04:23:33,240 --> 04:23:34,000
They go into the emergency room.

3327
04:23:34,100 --> 04:23:34,580
It's not a whole lot.

3328
04:23:34,720 --> 04:23:35,640
They can do an emergency room,

3329
04:23:35,700 --> 04:23:36,980
except provide your payments.

3330
04:23:37,700 --> 04:23:40,000
So we run a locking clinic within our dental clinic,

3331
04:23:40,000 --> 04:23:44,600
we'll often see patients that have been to the emergency room multiple times and then finally

3332
04:23:44,600 --> 04:23:48,880
give up and come in to see us because there are two things that have happened and then we start

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04:23:48,880 --> 04:23:53,400
to obviously integrate them into our care. Any other questions?

3334
04:23:54,640 --> 04:24:00,420
Oh, other questions? Thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys.

3335
04:24:00,420 --> 04:24:03,040
Thank you, you're time. I appreciate what you did.

3336
04:24:06,610 --> 04:24:12,250
I was going to say the only thing left is to talk about any

3337
04:24:12,250 --> 04:24:15,850
I think you guys want on the budget, or we can move on with the agenda.

3338
04:24:16,310 --> 04:24:17,370
Does move on with the agenda?

3339
04:24:18,050 --> 04:24:21,670
I'm going to make a motion to go in an executive session for personnel and legal.

3340
04:24:22,990 --> 04:24:25,090
I have a motion from there.

3341
04:24:25,750 --> 04:24:29,150
Second from Hatcock to move into executive session on favor say aye.

3342
04:24:29,710 --> 04:24:29,870
All right.

3343
04:24:30,010 --> 04:24:30,290
Opposed.

3344
04:24:30,490 --> 04:24:30,990
Same sign here.

3345
04:24:31,070 --> 04:24:31,270
None.

3346
04:24:31,430 --> 04:24:32,050
Motion carries.

3347
04:24:33,010 --> 04:24:33,230
Care.

3348
04:24:33,370 --> 04:24:35,110
We're going to go into executive session, bud.

3349
04:24:35,350 --> 04:24:36,070
I'm fine.

3350
04:24:36,350 --> 04:24:37,350
All right.

3351
04:24:43,780 --> 04:24:52,060
Okay, we're up. We're back in going to make a motion to come out of executive session at a motion by adjourn a second by roskinette all in favor say I

3352
04:24:52,060 --> 04:24:53,400
Motion carries

3353
04:24:53,980 --> 04:24:59,140
Motion to adjourn motion adjourn second by roskinette all in favor say I

3354
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:01,880
All right, bye, we're adjourned.