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Welcome to Tuesday, September 1st, 2026
meeting. Please silence cell phones,

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pages, and other electronic
communication devices. Agendas, the

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speaker request forms are located at the
back of the chamber. So, if you want to

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speak, um, please fill out a speaker
request form and bring it to the front

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to Jordan. So, well, all here. So, um,
uh, Commissioner Ross Connect is going

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to lead us in a moment of silence and
then pledge of allegiance. So,

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Commissioner Ross Connect, you have the
floor.

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I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible with liy and justice

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for all.
>> Thank you.

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» Um today we have employee recognition
day. So, we had cookies at the back and

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uh we welcome all the new employees to
Pennington County. There's a list of

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these employees somewhere and I I guess
I don't have access to don't need to

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read them, but thank you and welcome. Um
so, we'll move on to item number five.

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The board of commissioners using
>> number three, Mr. Chair.

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» Okay, we need to do what now?
>> Review and approve the agenda.

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» Okay.
>> Yep.

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» I'll make a motion to approve.
>> Second. We have a motion and a second.

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All from a motion from Drew Dur and
second from Drews. All in favor say I.

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» I.
>> Motion carries. Thank you. Okay.

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And then we'll move on to the consent
agenda as presented. Is that correct?

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5A.
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» Approval of the adopt a highway
application for a portion of 143rd

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Avenue by Central High School Structured
Academics.

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Do we have a motion on that item? Do we
have a speaker on that item?

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» It's on consent.
>> It's on consent. All these are all

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consent. So these are all I'm sorry.
>> Okay. So we'll move on to item six.

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Public comment for
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» Need to make a I'm going to make a
motion to approve the consent calendar.

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» I'll second that.
>> Man, I'm getting confused here. Okay. So

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a motion from Dur and second from Ross
Connect to approve the consent calendar.

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All in favor say I.
>> I. Motion carries. Thank you guys.

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Keeping me straight there. Now we'll
move on to item six. Public comment per

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SDCL1251.
There's a threeminut time limit per

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person. The speaker request form is
required. No commission action will be

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taken during this section. Speakers
under this section will be recorded. You

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will have three minutes and so try to
keep it to the three minutes. I got

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three of them. So we'll just start with
uh Miss Cook. Cindy, you are up public

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comment.

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You have
>> morning commissioners. Uh Cindy Cook,

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Rapid City,
and I had a question for you all today.

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Who who thinks the 2020 election was
stolen?

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Show of hands. Anybody?
interesting because I had a conversation

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with with uh Commissioner Durr after the
July 7th commission meeting and you

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stated that it was definitely stolen and
that you also questioned the Los Angeles

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elections and the Sou Falls elections,
all the elections. We can't have it both

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ways. Here we are six years later using
the same electronics predetermining our

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elections.
Don't you think we should be worried

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about the ESNS claims in teenytiny print
that they have proprietary software with

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their trade secrets? Think about this
for a second. Trade secrets in our

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elections.
It appears that every election for the

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last two decades have been
predetermined.

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South Dakota Canvasing wrote a Substack
pointing out who's really in charge

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here. I emailed all of you this. Did Did
you all get it? My email South Dakota

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canvasing.
>> If you just emailed it recently, I'll

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speak for the commission and do we A lot
of us are just getting our email back

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up. So,
>> well, I should have brought you a copy,

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but that doesn't seem to do any good
either.

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In it, it says the SDPA, the public
assurance alliance, the company that

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carries the shity bonds on the public
officials.

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They have a conflict problem and so do
you. There's Chris Jacobson who's on the

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board of the SPAA and two other boards.
South Dakota Association of County

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Commissioners, South Dakota Association
of of Officials.

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Chris has lobbied against every single
election integrity bill of the people

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since 2022.
I'm sure you've received her messages

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urging all of you to resist this
nonsense of handc counting.

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This is shocking
because you all pretend to act as though

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you might handcount in the governor's
race when you never intended to. Another

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shocking fact is you had prepaid ESNs
for another election without mentioning

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this to all the people from Pennington
County that rounded up 221 voters to

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work in the precinct for the hand
counting of the governor's race. You

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never intended to have this happen.
You're on the wrong side. Commissioners,

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are you afraid of not getting reelected?
Do you want status quo?

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» Thank you. Uh we move on to uh David

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» Neerson or
public com.

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» Oh, he's on an ordinance. So, I'm sorry,
David, you're you're on a specific

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ordinance. So, ordinance.
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he's on
>> No, this is a different speaker.

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» Yeah,
>> this is a speaker request form from and

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I can't read the last name.
>> David. Yeah, I can't read it either. N.

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Are you here? David.
>> Oh, David, what's going on, man? Come on

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up.
>> You're you're you're next, buddy. Public

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comment.
I didn't even recognize you at first.

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Sorry.
>> David Ne, Ordinance 796.

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I retired on April 1st, 2026. I
currently rent but want to be a

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homeowner again. My total social
security benefit is $1,910

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monthly. After bills, the estimated
remaining balance is $320 monthly. All

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my exact numbers are inhand documented.
From that $320 comes my out-ofpockets,

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my gas, food, cleaning supplies,
personal hygiene, clothing, vehicle

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maintenance, and planning for the
unexpected, such as May 13, 2024,

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hearing aids, $6,500.
August 2024, unplanned dental and

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medical emergencies, $4,337.
April 2026, four new tires, $2,410.50.

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All of those get paid. All those bills
get paid before me. And dead last is me,

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David. When life goes down the rabbit
hole, my quality of life expenses are

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the first to evaporate. This is why I
work two days a week for extra money. At

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my core, I am entrenched against the
idea of one man's debt being shifted to

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another man, whether he be a tourist, a
retiree, a billionaire, or a 10-year-old

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boy.
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» Vote buying 796 is an arrogant
ordinance. It forcefully shifts

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homeowners debt onto me. It also
forcefully shifts homeowner

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responsibility and accountability onto
me as well. And I am mad as hell about

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that.

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» Thanks, sir. Um, Marilyn Redki.
Marilyn, you have the floor.

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Did I? Okay. I'm here because Can you
hear me? I'm so short. [laughter] Okay.

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I am here because I have a situation
with a drainage problem. Uh in visiting

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with the new owner of the egg store, the
feed store on Highway 44. I just

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happened to stop in there and we were
visiting and he told me that a county

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commissioner was in and the county
commissioner said that he thought the

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the road end of the feed store has got
it's it's rough. It's gravel and then

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there's a a dip where there's a drainage
drain.

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The county commissioner said he thought
he could get the feed store property

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fixed with extra money from a county
fund. Now, I talked I called that county

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commissioner and he was very gracious
and he called me back and I told him my

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concerns that that ditch is there
because it keeps my property from being

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flooded.
And I explained that I had lived there

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since 1971 and the Hawthorne ditch is no
longer there. So, that's a blessing.

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But, we still get the water runoff
because we're lower and the ditch needs

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to be remained open as far as I'm
concerned so it doesn't flood our

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property. And I explained that to him
and he said, "Point taken."

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Now, I don't know what that means, so
that's why I'm here. Um he did I told

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him that I was told that there was money
available and he said there might be

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money available
from the city from blood money left

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over. I don't know what all that means
and maybe you don't either but that's

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how that got brought up to the feed
store that he thought he could get money

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to fix their road. Now my concern is
the situation is the drainage field. If

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it gets it's right now it's just a small
drainage area cuz every new owner fills

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it in a little more since I've been
there since 71. My kids used to play in

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that water. So there was a ditch that
ran through there. Whether it's on the

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plot or the plat I do not know. But it
has been flooded. We've had at times

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two sump pumps running on our property.
So, it's a real concern to me to have

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that. Uh
I don't know. I recommend that if they

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want to fill this in that it should be
done with a pipe running through or a

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small culvert, something so that the
water doesn't back up on my property. I

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have no problem with the owners. It's
just the water problem is my concern.

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And I recommend that if it's going to be
filled in to fill it in and do it

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correctly. Put a pipe in there. Put a
culvert in there. Something so that it's

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it's done correctly. This is a natural
drainage area through there. And this is

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a flood area. So that's my concern. Uh,
how can I be assured

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that the drainage
problem will be addressed by you guys?

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» Oh, Maryland. Um, are you in the city or
in the county? Right there.

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» I can't hear.
>> Are are you in the city or the county?

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» I'm right on Highway 44 by the uh the
racetrack.

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» Okay.
>> Right next year before the racetrack and

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you're before. Yeah. Um I think uh
Britney's not here. I was going to have

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you get with
even there's Joe. Joe just came in. If

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you [clears throat] could get with him,
>> he's he's at the back door. If you could

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get with Joe back there, he can help you
understand a little bit more about those

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roads and everything back there. He's
right behind you. Joe,

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» is there a way you could get with
Marilyn and and help her figure out her

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situation, please?
>> I have been to the PL planning and

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zoning several times and Cody and David
have been extremely helpful.

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» Okay. Uh,
but they don't know where they stand

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either as far as
the computer.

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» We'll help you figure it out
>> and nobody can check anything because

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the computers are down,
>> right?

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» We're getting we're getting better at
that, Marilyn. We're getting that stuff

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up and going. So, we'll help you. Joe
will help you a little bit, too. So,

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» all right. Thank you for Thank you so
much for your time.

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» That's really about all we can tell you
right now. So,

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» um,
>> it looks like she wants to speak. Okay,

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just give her the stand.
>> Yeah, Mr. Chair. Yes,

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» I'm going to follow up if I can on the
last one.

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» So, [clears throat] there's about 20% of
what was said that's actually what's

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been stated. So, I had the discussion
when I was at the feed store in the

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valley and he was talking. I was looking
at the drainage ditch out there and so

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he came over and said, "What are you
looking at?" and it was while I was

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getting feed and I said the county is
looking at drainage in the valley and

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I'm just looking at how this is utilized
and he said that he would like to you

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know look at that. There was no
discussion about using county funds or

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doing anything to fix a road. There was
no discussion about a road. Uh I did

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have a conversation with this individual
and she had reached out to planning and

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I said no we're not doing anything with
it. There was no discussion about city

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funds of any kind, any county funds. It
was a conversation with the owner of the

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feed facility that uh the county was
looking at the drainage in the valley

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and how it's impacted and that we were
doing away with our drainage uh

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relationship with the city and that's
the point of the conversation.

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» Okay, perfect. Thanks. And I know that
that Mariah Cranny, Mariah,

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you have the floor. Good morning,
commissioners.

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» Good morning.
>> My name is Mariah Cranny.

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I'm a civil rights advocate and a
registered CNA in Pennington County.

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Mother of four.
I reported seven months ago that 19

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months ago my children were illegally
removed from me by this county and I

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haven't heard anything back from you.
I appear today to place you on formal

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notice of South Dakota law and federal
law that govern this board's power to

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appropriate and continue paying public
money to county offices, departments,

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contractors, and other entities under
your fiscal control. You have now had

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notice for 7 months that crimes are
alleged to have been committed by public

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servants whom this county employs and
whom this board pays. That notice is not

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a rumor. It is part of the public record
of this county. Continuing to fund the

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same offices and the same people after
that notice without investigation,

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referral, or a recorded finding that the
claims are unfounded. It is not a

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ministerial act. It is a policy choice
for which you may be held to account.

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South Dakota law is not silent.
SDCL7-8-20

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requires this board to superintend the
fiscal concerns of the county and to

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audit accounts of officers who collect
or spend county money. SDCL7-21-14

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imposes a trust when you adopt a budget.
Appropriations are not a blank check.

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SDCL 21-25 through 21-27 make debts and
payments beyond lawful appropriation

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void and can place personal liability on
officers whom create or pay them.

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SDCL36-1
makes willful failure to perform an

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official duty a class 2 misdemeanor.
SDCL22-308-46

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makes a public officials knowing misuse
of entrusted public funds for that

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official's financial benefit theft.
SDCL716-14

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directs the state's attorney,
Lara Wretzel, upon a petition of 15

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resident taxpayers and reasonable cause
to sue commissioners for malfeasants,

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misappropriation, or other misconduct.
SDCL 3-17-6

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authorizes removal of local officers for
misconduct, malfeasants, nonfeasants, or

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crimes in office. Federal law is not
silent. Officials acting under color of

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law who willfully deprive persons of
their rights secured by the constitution

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or federal law may be prosecuted under
18 USC 242. Two or more persons who

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conspire to injure or intimidate a
person in the free exercise of those

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rights may be prosecuted under 18 USC
241. Honest services fraud under 18 USC

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13411343
and 1346 reaches schemes to deprive the

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public of the honest services of public
officials. None of those statutes

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require you to convict anyone today.
They do require you that you not treat

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documented notice as something that you
can ignore while you keep signing the

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warrants. You pay these public servants.
You sit as the fiscal board of this

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county after 7 months of notice silences
itself a decision. I ask this board on

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the record an independent review of the
notices already given. Thank you for

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your time.
>> Thank you. And Mariah, you done there?

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This is because this is the second time
you've come up here with the same

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information and we've not been served by
any public uh you know. So

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» I'm sorry what
>> I'm not here to argue with you. You had

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your time. I'm just saying you can't
this is the second second meeting that

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you've come here with the same
information. If you have an issue with

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the state's attorney or with us then you
may want to go to the attorney general

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and file
>> the attorney general is also complicit

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in these crimes.
>> Perfect. That's what I

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» the governor, the state's attorney,
CASA, who else?

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» So, everybody,
>> attorney general, county commissioners,

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» sheriff Brian Mueller says that child
trafficking is just part of the system.

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» So, everyone in this county slashstate
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» Okay, so everybody's against you, right?
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» I'm not saying against me. I'm saying
against loving parents who love their

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children and want them protected.
They're not being protected. They're

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being harmed. And we can't even call and
ask if they're okay.

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» Yeah, definitely. You go. Maybe you need
to get a lawyer or something or whatever

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you need to do, but coming here to just
chew us out.

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» Pay money into the system that's that's
harming us.

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» All right. You have a good day. Your
time's up. So,

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okay. That anybody else want public
comment?

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Nope. Okay. We will formally close
public comment and move on.

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to item seven. Typically, we don't
respond at public comment, but when we

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continue to get the same information and
go nowhere, at some point we got to say,

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you know, let's move on. So, item seven
from the Rapid City Police Department,

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letter of support, model cities
initiative app, Dave Kinzer. Dave, you

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have the floor, sir. Perfect. Uh,
appreciate you having me here,

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everybody. Um, so this was a uh pretty
big grant that came out. Um, we had

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noticed in uh earlier this summer and
then working through it and then uh the

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hack happened and kind of had to redo a
bunch of stuff there as I'm sure

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everybody in the room was affected by
that. Um, so this is a very large grant.

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Um, I don't know the likelihood that we
would we are we would be competitive for

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it or not because background lobbying
and whatnot, but if we did get this

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grant, I think it would fix a lot of
strategic initiatives down the road that

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we've got planned or need to address and
I can go through each one of those. Um,

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but I' I'd like to turn it over to what
questions you guys have for me.

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» Yes, Commissioner Hadcock, do you have
the floor?

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» I don't have any questions, Dave. I just
appreciate that you're moving this

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forward. It's a regional public safety
training initiative in the bottom line.

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Um, if we can get any kind of extra
training for our officers or uh public

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safety uh officials, I think it's always
a positive. So, what you're doing, Dave,

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and you've been in there for a while,
um, let's get her done and let's move

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forward and, um, make sure that our, um,
people, our first responders are taken

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care of. So, um, thank you for calling
me. I appreciate that too, Dave, and

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just visiting about what you're doing
and how long you've done it. And like I

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said, you've been in here for a while.
So, when you're putting something

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forward, um, I appreciate what you're
doing because again, the the the main

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issue I like is re regional public
safety training, which has a lot to do

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with um, all um, elected or not elected
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Dave, for what you do.
>> Thanks. And um one clarification, I'm

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not asking for your um approval to
accept the award um because there's like

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three uh three processes for this grant.
This first it's kind of like a science

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fair. You go to the local one, submit it
to an email, and then they approve you

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and then you have to do a presentation
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» Um so I'm just asking for your
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And as we progress through the rounds,
you guys will be updated and any formal

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agreements or anything will be given to
you for approval and acceptance and

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contracts and so forward. And how it's
structured um it it would go through the

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city and uh Pennington County would be a
subawwardee. So we would have the

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responsibility for the financial and the
reporting obligations, all the not fun

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stuff with grants. to what you're asking
is and that's what I'm saying is that I

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support the letter of support. I should
say it like that. Okay. Thank you,

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» Mr. Chair. Commissioner Drew,
>> I move to authorize the chair to sign

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the letter of support as presented.
>> Second.

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» Have a motion and a motion from Drew.
Second from Mur. All in favor say I.

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» I.
>> Motion carries. And thanks Dave for the

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phone calls and uh this is the process
that starts it. I know that there's

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challenges with regional officer
training. I've had conversations with

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our sheriff and with Chief Hedrickk both
saying that this is uh um it's it's a

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non-matching one too from what I
understand. So we just match it's more

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like a grant style. So we you can see
that we'll support it and we'll we'll

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we'll have our commission manager draft
a letter of support. So

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» I I've got to have it in today. So I
drafted one.

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» You got to have it in. You drafted it
for him. Well, we'll let him read it and

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and I'm sure it probably makes sense and
we'll get the sir

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» authorize the chair to sign it. So,
thanks. Item number uh eight,

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board committee appointments,
air quality board appointment. According

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to ordinance 12, mun code of the
commissioners appoints one at large

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voting member to the seven person Rapid
City air quality board for a three-year

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term. Incumbent Jackie Cross. Yes. Move
to appoint Jackie Crass to the Rapid

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City Air Quality Board for three-year
term effective 83126.

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Have
>> a motion from Hackcock.

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» Second.
>> A second from Ross Connect. Any

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discussion on the motion? All in favor
say I.

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» I.
>> Motion carries. Um items from treasure.

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Update on treasur's office operations.
Missette.

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» Good morning, Mr. Chair. Commission.
Annette Brandt, Pennington County

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Treasurer. Uh, updating you here on the
um public side um since the cyber

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incident. Just letting you know we've
just returned all of our temporary

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equipment that we were utilizing. So,
we're all um we're all util um we are

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all now back on our on our computers.
There's still some things that um we've

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got a list of items that do need to be
updated um or excuse me, not updated,

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but um worked through, but we're all
able to jump onto another computer. If

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one thing works on one, we can pull from
another. It's got that list and we're

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just waiting in line for that. Um we're
getting the info out for the

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self-service terminal that's now located
at 900 Concourse Drive. Um we are

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getting back to our normal numbers of
processing counts. Um checking the queue

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appointments only is what I'm going to
start it off with rather than opening it

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completely up and we'll continue to do
first come first serve through the

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public line. It does appear that um
without the staff having to put in all

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of the additional information for the
return visits for the PE public that we

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are able to um work through additional
uh transactions or at least get them

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through the line a little bit faster.
But I would like the queue availability

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so that if um the person has waited in
line and they have to come back for it

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that we have an avenue to be able to let
them kind of jump the line which is what

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the queue allowed us to do. So um
working on that. The phones are still an

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issue with our department. Um, this past
week we had no calls that were dropping

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as we were talking to the public. Um,
but static still an issue. Um,

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voicemails have been turned off now for
incoming phone calls just so that the

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public knows they used to be able to
leave a voicemail. We do not have the

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staffing to be able to retrieve those
calls and then call them back again. So,

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um, calls are being taken as a um, first
come first serve through that. Um let's

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see and then there was some discussion
earlier um that came from the commission

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office regarding um balancing in the
treasur's office. So I just want to

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assure you that um on paper the um the
treasur's office the county is balanced.

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Um there is no money missing or
anything. It is our office working with

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the the items that are input into the
Tyler system. So, we balance on paper,

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but the Tyler system had an additional
amount. This morning, it came to light.

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We've been digging for this for a long
time, but uh this morning it came to

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light that it's on a 2024
error that was in the real estate

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program on the aortioning side that
called an NSF charge a real estate. So,

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we're working through that with the
auditor's office to find out how we can

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correct that. It's not money that was
collected. It wasn't even anything that

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should have been in there. But those are
the things that we deal with um with not

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just the Tyler system, but our old real
estate system. So, some days I get

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pretty frustrated with the new Tyler
system, but at the same time, our uh um

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moving forward with it. It um tells me
that we'll have um better situations

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coming up with um their real estate side
versus the one that's pieced together.

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things like this come up um often. So,
and with that, I'll stand by for

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questions.
>> Mr. Chair.

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» Yep. Commissioner Ross.
>> So, now that can you give the commission

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an update on the two kiosk, the ones
placed out here now and it's working and

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the other one is scheduled to go be
placed this month.

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» Uh that is what I've been told in
September that they do have it

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scheduled. um the owner of that property
is going to contact you and I you or I

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um the minute that they um contact him
for the actual placement. They've done

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site visits already. They have located
the building that it will be in and he

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had like three different locations that
were really good um

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uh strong service there that they for
them to choose from. So,

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» so the location is going to be the Three
Forks Country Store

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» at the junction of Highway 16 and 385.
>> And Matt picked three locations and the

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state has agreed to I think all three.
And he told me that sometime this month

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they they're going to come up there and
they're going to put it there. he's

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going to lose a little retail space, but
uh when you when folks from Fall River,

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any county in the state of South Dakota,
they can do their transactions at that

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convenience store. And his hours are
good enough that they'll be plenty of

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hours uh [clears throat]
>> for uh folks to get off work. They'll be

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open. They open at 6. So, I think it's
really going to be a benefit to uh folks

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that live in that part of Pennington
County.

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» I agree. And we'll keep you posted on
that. As as with the one for ours, uh

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the uh 900 concourse, that specific date
got moved several times. Um the original

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one got juggled around during shipping
and um so they had to fix it before

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they, you know, it took another 3 days
for them to fix it to get it in. So,

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we'll just cautiously approach that for
getting that out to the public, but

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we'll let Cody know that as well. Um, we
were making sure that this one that is

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located right outside this building, um,
that the scanners were working because

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it's not just motor vehicle
transactions, it's also driver's

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license. So, you would scan in your
documents that are needed for there. you

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scan in documents. If you're uh have a
veteran plate, the $10, $12, I guess it

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is now, uh veteran renewal, you have to
show your um veteran

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status. Um that is all working now. And
so I just sent out an email to let the

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powers that be know that and whenever
they're ready to be 247, then it looks

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like that equipment is ready for that,
too.

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Lastly, the last the thing that really
boggles my mind is why can't we get good

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telephone service? How hard can that be?
I mean, today's technology and you know,

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you're
>> still dealing with a substandard

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telephone system in my opinion. I just
>> what it reminds me of is when I was a

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kid and it would rain for whatever
reason, the moisture would, you know,

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make that crackling noise, but they tell
me between the two buildings that that's

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not what it is. But yeah, it is pretty
frustrating to the customers as well.

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So, and on that line too, I I um I don't
have an update for the customers, but I

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do know that it's been asked a lot about
the public um internet and so just want

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to make sure that that's on somebody's
plate eventually that they're going to

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want that as well. They want that back.
>> Awesome.

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» Mr. Chair,
>> Commissioner Dur.

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» Yeah. Ned, when you [clears throat]
talked about the fuzzy line, I went

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back. You're not talking about a hand
crank telephone, are you? [laughter]

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» Okay. So, getting back to
>> I'm not as old as I look.

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» All right. So, getting back to the phone
thing. Uh Annette did have a

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conversation with me when that they
found out that they first didn't believe

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the uh voicemail was working and then
came back and there were over a hundred

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messages. We had 175 messages just on
one of the lines. We did not believe

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that the voicemails were able to be
retrieved since the shutdown, but when

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um when [clears throat] I mentioned that
I'd like to know when it's going to be

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back up again, was told that oh, it has
been. So I went back in and and looked

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and that was just communication I
believe between the two departments but

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went in and I believe that was on the
like the 24th or 25th and we had them

407
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:37,039
back there from August 13th. All the
others were lost but from 13 forward. So

408
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,799
we're working through those now and just
asked for it to be shut off completely

409
00:32:38,799 --> 00:32:44,960
because anytime the phone goes down it
seems that we have issues with that as

410
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:48,720
well. That's not great customer service
either because the people are expecting

411
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:53,120
a phone call back and we're not even
getting the voice messages to return

412
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:57,360
them in some cases. So, and nor do we
have the manpower to retrieve them and

413
00:32:54,799 --> 00:33:02,480
then re, you know, they're coming in as
fast as we can answer them. So,

414
00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:07,760
» and [clears throat] when someone calls
in, do we still have kind of that system

415
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:11,600
with a certain amount of phone lines and
then you're number one in the queue,

416
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:14,640
your number two in the queue, etc. Is
that still functioning or is it just

417
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:20,159
ringing direct?
>> Right now I believe it's just ringing

418
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:24,320
directly. Um and I have some of the
faster processors on the phone. We've

419
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:28,880
moved them to the back to get through
the phone lines a little bit faster and

420
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:32,640
they're all answering them as you know
as they're coming in. no matter what it

421
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:41,440
is, they're signed on to all of them
where before um we had the newer c or

422
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:44,640
the newer staff were taking in the like
the renewal line so that they could

423
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:47,360
learn how to do that. Now we're training
them right at the front line as

424
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:51,760
requested. So
>> all right and I'm just going to echo,

425
00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:56,559
you know, what Commissioner Roskin said,
the phone system here, you know, I'm

426
00:33:54,640 --> 00:34:01,600
into my second year on the commission.
It's been an issue from day one. And I'm

427
00:33:59,519 --> 00:34:05,760
not sure what the answer is, but I think
uh [clears throat]

428
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:09,040
not having somebody sit on hold and then
get into the queuing system and some of

429
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:14,639
them have been on hold for almost an
hour and then just get disconnected from

430
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:20,079
our phone system and just that
communication going back and forth. And

431
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:24,879
so, um, I think anyway, in my mind, it's
just better to pick up the phone and

432
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:28,639
answer the phone and not try to utilize
the technology we have, which apparently

433
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:31,599
isn't working.
>> Mr. Chair,

434
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:36,000
» Commissioner Ros, sir,
>> I don't think it's just

435
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:42,919
uh your office. I've called other
offices and I still get that rattly,

436
00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:42,919
crackly

437
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:50,399
noise on the phone. So, I I don't know.
just be nice if we could just have good

438
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:52,079
phone service.
>> Mr. Chair.

439
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:57,200
» Yes, Commissioner Drew.
>> So, Net, [clears throat] I'm interested

440
00:34:53,760 --> 00:35:04,400
in the lines. Um, I was here about
midday yesterday and I counted only a

441
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:09,680
total of 16 people that were in line.
Uh, has that line shrunk to that degree

442
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:15,119
at this point in time or are we looking
still at fairly long lines?

443
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:20,000
» Mr. chair. Well, I'm I'm glad that you
are paying attention to the lines. I get

444
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:25,359
texts almost weekly um telling me how
many windows I have open. I know how

445
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:29,680
many windows that I do have open. We
adjust based on how many people come in

446
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:34,480
on a daily basis. So now I don't have
the Q system to find out what the you

447
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:39,599
know what the volume of people are
coming through there but I do believe

448
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:45,839
that we are shaving off time by not
having to input their we we definitely

449
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:50,400
we changed our um reception windows the
two reception windows that were helping

450
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:53,839
people to verify what they had and get
them signed into the queue and get them

451
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:59,680
in the right line and so forth. Those
are now processing windows. So, they're

452
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:06,640
doing um all of the faster transactions.
We're pulling them out of the the mix um

453
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:10,800
with the other lines and um and we do
have the newer staff that are at the

454
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:14,160
front windows as well. So, I don't have
an answer for you for that because the

455
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,760
minute I say that, yeah, the lines are
getting shorter, they're going to get

456
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:23,440
longer. So, it just depends. I've taken
pictures several days um several days in

457
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:27,200
the last um two weeks where there hasn't
been anybody other than the people that

458
00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:30,560
are at the windows that are line that
are in line. So again, when it rains it

459
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:33,599
pours, you don't know when they're
coming in. So

460
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,839
» okay, thank you.
>> Yes, you're welcome.

461
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:41,200
» Right. Okay. I can tell you I'm the one
that's been texting you because I

462
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:44,800
thought our plan was to have 12 open
windows all the time. So that's cuz

463
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:50,720
there is times when I come out there and
there's five or six windows and there's

464
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:54,240
50 60 people waiting. So that's why I
text you that my only my only interest

465
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:58,240
is getting people through the line
timely in a manner that I think is

466
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:02,480
achievable and that's with a 30 minute
wait time. So um

467
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:07,119
» Mr. Chair, you are not the only one. So
I just want to make that clear that I am

468
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:11,520
well aware of what's out there and if I
have to pull people off for for training

469
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:14,960
for something else, we're doing it. But
we that is our goal is to to get as many

470
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:19,200
as we can.
>> I've had I've had conversations with the

471
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:23,440
IT department on the phones and it's not
been a priority because there's

472
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:26,960
everybody has a priority right now. What
what my understanding is the

473
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:31,920
interference that we're getting from all
the server ability, but that doesn't it

474
00:37:30,079 --> 00:37:35,440
should still shouldn't happen. So, we're
going to continue looking into it and

475
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:39,520
try to fit it into that priority window
of why because since we've had this

476
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:44,640
phone system, it's not worked correctly
or properly at all. So there's there's

477
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:49,440
no and but or nosers about that. It
doesn't work properly if you getting

478
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:53,359
disconnected or or but one of the
comments was made about the amount of

479
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:56,560
volume that comes in that gets put into
the there's only so much volume that

480
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:00,000
that comes in on the phone lines and
then it overwhelms the rest of the phone

481
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,160
lines. So we'll be looking into that
too. So

482
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:07,680
» Okay. I appreciate that.
>> Commissioner Rosk,

483
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:12,560
» so we can kind of predict uh busy days.
Now, didn't you tell me, Annette, that

484
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:15,280
the last day of the month is normally
just crazy?

485
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,560
» The last week of the month is normally
just crazy.

486
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:20,560
» People are trying.
>> That's a fact.

487
00:38:17,599 --> 00:38:23,359
» Get everything done before the next
month. So,

488
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:26,880
» Right. Right.
>> I I just had one other comment. Our our

489
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,880
machines 24/7 now, right? Because that
was part of the deal we had to do. Or is

490
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:33,440
it?
>> Not yet. Not yet because we were making

491
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:38,160
sure that everything um was up and
operational. I just sent that email to

492
00:38:35,359 --> 00:38:42,400
let them know today and by them I mean
it that hand that handles the door and

493
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:47,280
also Cody Wiseman so that he can put
that out to the um public. I do want to

494
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:51,040
just add one more thing too that um just
to make sure that the other departments

495
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:55,280
are aware too that callers coming to the
treasur's office no longer have the

496
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:59,520
ability to leave a voice message. The
longest that they will remain on hold

497
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:04,160
waiting for one of our staff to answer
is 10 minutes. We're not going to keep

498
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:08,320
them on hold for 50 minutes and then and
then have it drop or have them leave a

499
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:12,960
voice message. Those are turned off. So,
um if they if people are calling from

500
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:17,920
your departments, you um their message
that they're given is just to please try

501
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:24,400
again that all of our um staff are
assisting others at this time. So,

502
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:28,240
» okay. Thank you. Any other questions?
Seeing none. Thank you, Miss Annette.

503
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:33,200
» Thank you.
>> Looks like Mr. Davis is up next. items

504
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:37,920
from buildings and grounds. Highway
warming shed wind damage repair bid

505
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:40,880
award.
>> Mr. Davis, you have the floor, sir.

506
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:45,440
» Yeah. Good morning, commissioners. Davis
Purscell, director of buildings and

507
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:49,680
grounds. Um, so this item was brought to
you just a few weeks back to advertise

508
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:54,160
and bid and now we're looking for a bid
award. Um, as a reminder, uh, the

509
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:59,280
building that we're looking at did, uh,
occur some or incur some structural

510
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:03,599
damage in 2025 in that December wind
event. So, what we're looking at doing

511
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:08,240
is, uh, basically stiffening of the
whole building, some roof and truss,

512
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:12,560
bracing repairs, roof pllin repairs, and
some other items. Uh, what we also did

513
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:16,320
too is we included some alternates into
this project. Um because there's going

514
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:20,560
to be a contractor mobilized, we can
tackle some other things that we noticed

515
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:26,400
uh that needed to be done, which is the
replacement of of their man doors, um

516
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:30,160
replacement of existing windows, um
installation of OSB on the east and west

517
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:37,680
walls, and then some more blown in
insulation in the attic. So, uh the base

518
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:42,400
bid, the low base bid was actually uh
done by Karen Builders. Uh, but when you

519
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:46,400
include all four alternates, seco
construction came out the lowest. Um,

520
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,560
and that is the bid award that I'm
looking at. So, I'll stand for any

521
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:53,160
questions.
>> Thank you, commission. Have any

522
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,160
questions?

523
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:57,119
» Seeing none, I guess I'll entertain a
motion here.

524
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:01,680
» Yes, commissioner.
>> Toward the warm shed wind damage repair

525
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:08,200
project at SECO construction for the
base bid and alternatives 1 through 4 in

526
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:08,200
the total amount of 316500.

527
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:13,680
Second.
>> Have a motion for Hadcock, second by Ros

528
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:16,480
Connect. All in favor say I. I.
>> I.

529
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:21,599
» Opposed. Same sign. Hearing none. Motion
carries. Item B, request to advertise

530
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:26,079
bids courthouse campus transformer
replacement project.

531
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,800
» All right. Yeah. So item B is uh when I
was writing or when I was looking at

532
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:34,800
this memo, one thing I didn't include is
why we were doing this project um or

533
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:39,119
specifically why. So, uh, essentially
Black Hills Energy is doing some planned

534
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:44,720
upgrades, uh, to its downtown electrical
distribution system. Um, those

535
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:48,000
improvements require us, uh, to change
the existing electrical service

536
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:52,079
configurations with our which are the
transformers. Um, long story short,

537
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:55,839
there were there's been a lot of
discussions with Black Hills Energy over

538
00:41:53,599 --> 00:42:00,720
the last six months about this project.
Um they so what we what are we doing as

539
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:05,280
part of this project is we're going to
replace those transformers and Black

540
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:10,880
Hills Energy is paying for the new
transformers um and they will own and

541
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:15,520
operate or own and maintain the new
transformers which right now we own them

542
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:20,400
uh which means we're responsible for any
repairs or anything like that to those.

543
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:24,560
Um it's typical for Black Hills Energy
to own these transformers so that's why

544
00:42:21,839 --> 00:42:30,960
we are going this route. Uh but again it
is a very complicated project. Um it

545
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:36,800
does involve uh can and will involve
multiple buildings being uh without

546
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:41,119
standard power um for potentially 24
hours. Um so we're coordinating this all

547
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:45,599
the way through into May of 2027 which
is when some of these planned outages

548
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:48,960
will occur. Uh but again um a lot of
this work has been done behind the

549
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:52,480
scenes and and we're now ready to to
advertise and bid this project. So

550
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,160
» Mr. Chair.
>> Yes, Commissioner Ros Connect, sir.

551
00:42:54,480 --> 00:43:00,720
» So, Davis, are those step down
transformers?

552
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:06,160
» They are for the for the jail public
safety building in the courthouse. Yep.

553
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:10,480
» And three-phase, two-phase.
>> Uh, I think we have two three-phase and

554
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,920
one two-phase.
>> Okay.

555
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,480
» So,
>> what's the initial voltage going into

556
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,000
the
>> Um, I don't I don't have that

557
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,800
information with me. I apologize. Um, I
didn't think you'd No. Yeah, that's a

558
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:24,720
great question. anything you'd be asking
that, but it's quite a bit. Our jails

559
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:28,480
are obviously our most demanding uh
within the PSP and the the courthouse

560
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:32,079
follow. So,
>> thank you,

561
00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:35,920
» Mr. Chair. I'll go ahead and make the
motion to authorize the building and

562
00:43:34,240 --> 00:43:39,119
grounds to advertise and solicit
competitive bids for the Penning County

563
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,599
Courthouse campus transformer
replacement project.

564
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:45,040
» Second.
>> We have a motion from Ross Connect,

565
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:48,480
second by Drews. All in favor say I.
>> I oppose. Same sign. Hearing none.

566
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:52,160
Motion Davis.
>> Thank you, Mr. Davis. So, we're going to

567
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:56,640
go to item 11. And I think there's a
request from

568
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:02,400
11 A,
B, C, and D to be continued until

569
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:07,200
September 17th. So,
>> Mr. Chair, I'd make a motion that we uh

570
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:10,960
go into a board of adjustment.
>> Thank you.

571
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:15,599
» That'll be more appropriate. A motion
from G um Commissioner Drews and and a

572
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:17,680
second from Commissioner Ross Connect to
go into the board of adjustments. All in

573
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:22,079
favor say I.
>> I. I. Motion carries. So now being we're

574
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:27,839
in board of adjustments, we can actually
talk about 11 A, B, C, and D. And

575
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:35,280
there's a request for that to go to be
continued because the uh the engineer

576
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:38,960
can't be here. So um if we move a motion
from Hadcock, second

577
00:44:37,119 --> 00:44:41,760
» to continue and a second from Ross
Connect.

578
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:45,839
» Is that for all four of them? AB, B,
>> A, B, C, and D.

579
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:49,119
» Do we have to do them individually?
>> I think so. And also make sure you have

580
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:51,520
which date you're continuing.
>> September 17th.

581
00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:58,000
» Okay.
>> So we'll do A. So all in favor say I.

582
00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:01,680
» I. Get a motion for B.
>> Go ahead.

583
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,760
» Move.
>> We have a motion and a second.

584
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:07,839
» A second. Motion from Drew. Second from
Hancock. All in favor say I.

585
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,800
» I.
>> Motion carries. We move that to item uh

586
00:45:10,319 --> 00:45:13,800
C.
>> Yep.

587
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:20,079
Move continuation.
>> We have a motion September

588
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:23,280
» Drews and a second from Ross Connect.
All in favor say I. I. I.

589
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:28,960
» Motion carries and we're moving these to
item to September 17th. On item D.

590
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:33,599
Second.
>> Motion from HCO by Ras Connect to move

591
00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,119
this to September 17th meeting. All in
favor say I.

592
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,200
» I.
>> Motion carries. We move on to item E. U.

593
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:43,280
Miss Britney.
>> Good morning commissioners. Britney Han,

594
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:48,240
planning director. Item E is variance
COVA26-000020

595
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:52,400
for Murvin Hilty to exceed the maximum
height requirement in an agriculture

596
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:56,319
district. This property is located at
24460

597
00:45:53,920 --> 00:46:03,680
Assurance Lane. Uh the applicant is
requesting to construct a windmill in

598
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:07,440
order to operate his shop building. Um
the requested variances and intended to

599
00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:12,480
allow the construction of a distributed
wind energy system to provide power to

600
00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:16,240
an agricultural structure. The lot is
capable of reasonable use in compliance

601
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:20,960
with the zoning ordinance and is not
subject to exceptional topographical or

602
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:24,960
site constraints. However, windmills are
structures that are designed to be

603
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:29,119
constructed to a height greater than 35
ft. It is not uncommon to find windmills

604
00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:34,079
in agriculture areas within communities
similar to where the applicant resides.

605
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:40,560
Uh this property is agriculturally
agriculturally zoned and there's not

606
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:44,720
typically structures that exceed 35 ft.
But because staff um has found that

607
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:50,160
there's other structures that are
allowed in agriculture districts like

608
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:54,560
spires, um water towers that are allowed
to exceed the height. staff feels that

609
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:57,359
this is a reasonable request and is
recommending approval.

610
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:01,280
» Chair,
>> yes, commissioner move to approve COVA

611
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:06,000
26-0020
that the windmills turbines are utility

612
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:10,480
related structures that are generally
designed to exceed 35 ft in height in

613
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:15,760
order to effectively utilize available
wind resources and maximize electrical

614
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,800
production with two conditions.
>> Second.

615
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:20,960
» A motion from Hadcock, second by Ross
Connect. All in favor say I.

616
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:24,319
» I. I
>> oppose. Same sign. Hearing none. Motion

617
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:30,720
carries.
>> Miss Britney, that's it.

618
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:34,800
» Item 11F is variant COVAA 26-0021
for Zach Van Ginkle to reduce a setback

619
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:40,319
to a property line in a suburban
residential district 1. Uh this property

620
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:46,560
the gentleman would like to construct uh
his single family residence at a setback

621
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:50,640
of 21.6 ft in lie of 25 ft. There are
topographical

622
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:55,920
constraints. Um there is additional
information that was given to the board

623
00:47:53,200 --> 00:48:00,720
um prior. If you look at the the
pictures, you can see that there's a

624
00:47:57,599 --> 00:48:06,560
significant amount of uh rock outcrop on
this property. Uh the property owner was

625
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:11,200
um beginning to construct his home. He
had our building inspector go out and do

626
00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:17,040
his initial site inspection and at that
time our uh building inspector found

627
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:22,480
that the the setback did not meet the
requirements. Uh so the applicant came

628
00:48:19,119 --> 00:48:25,920
in and requested uh setback variance. So
staff feels that there are topographical

629
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:29,760
and sighting constraints on this
property. So staff is recommending

630
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:31,599
approval
>> with one condition.

631
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:36,880
» Mr. Chair,
>> go ahead, Ron. I'll go ahead and move to

632
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:41,119
approve COVA26-0021
as a subject property does appear to

633
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:45,599
have topographical constraints that
limits the buildings [snorts]

634
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,640
buildable area of the subject property
creating a hardship with one condition.

635
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:51,440
» Second.
>> Second.

636
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,400
» Have a motion and a second. All in favor
say I.

637
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,680
» I.
>> I. [clears throat] Same sign. Hearing

638
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,319
none. Motion carries.
>> Move to uh come out of the board of

639
00:48:57,520 --> 00:49:02,240
adjustment.
>> Second. Have a motion from Ross Connect,

640
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,480
second by Hadcock to come out of board
of adjustments. All in favor say I.

641
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:10,000
» I.
>> Motion carries. Items from emergency

642
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:13,599
management. Item 12. Dustin, you have
the floor, sir.

643
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:16,160
» Good morning, commission, uh, chair,
members of the commission. Dustin

644
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:22,800
Willlet, Pennington County Emergency
Manager. Item A. Oh, yeah. Item A is the

645
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:26,240
2027, uh, LMPG subreient agreement. This
is typically on the consent calendar,

646
00:49:24,240 --> 00:49:30,559
but because there have been uh inquiries
from from this board about our grant

647
00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:35,200
status, uh I just had it moved to our
regular consent agenda. This is uh the

648
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:39,440
grant that we've used for decades. Uh
that has caused some constrnation in the

649
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:45,119
past couple years because of of some
delays in having that award. Uh but so

650
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:49,359
far, all of those those grant funds that
we've been uh approved for have

651
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:54,079
eventually come through. Uh this is for
the 2027 agreement. Again, it's

652
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:59,839
something we've done for for decades.
This covers uh this grant in particular

653
00:49:56,240 --> 00:50:04,800
covers about 45% of of my salary in our
EM budget. Uh happy to stand for any

654
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:07,920
questions on that.
>> Commission,

655
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:10,480
» Mr. Chair.
>> Yes.

656
00:50:08,319 --> 00:50:14,559
» I'm going to move to approve the 2027
local emergency

657
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:16,720
management performance grant subreionate
agreement and authorize chair to sign

658
00:50:16,079 --> 00:50:21,359
the agreement.
>> Second. Have a motion from Dur, second

659
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,520
by Drews. All in favor say I.
>> I.

660
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:30,440
» One public comment.
>> Well, I got a public comment. Mike, you

661
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:30,440
want to come up and talk on this one?

662
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:39,119
» Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mike Mueller. Um,
sorry I'm late getting to this item. I

663
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:44,559
just uh it to Jordan. One of the things
I see with state and federal grants is

664
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:48,880
there's a cost of compliance that goes
along with this depending on the budget.

665
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:52,960
If it's just emergency services or if it
goes into the dispatch budget, which is

666
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,319
large compared to the emergency services
budget, what's our cost of compliance

667
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:00,319
because of all the rigs that have to be
followed, all the things that have to be

668
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:03,520
reported monthly, the hours tracked,
etc. That's something I'd be interested

669
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,400
in knowing how that comes against how
much of grant money we get. I don't know

670
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:10,640
that dollar amount. Couldn't find the
dollar amount, but just a caution to the

671
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:14,640
cost of compliance to get this grant and
comply with it. Thank you.

672
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,839
» Thank you. So
>> we already we already proved it. So

673
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:21,359
» that's okay. I don't I don't have that
off the top of my head, but I have

674
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:26,400
worked that up before. Uh uh that that
question has been asked before. Um so

675
00:51:24,319 --> 00:51:31,119
anecdotally, I can say that that our
cost of compliance for this grant is is

676
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:35,520
easily justifiable. Uh but I I don't
want to to to spew numbers that might be

677
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,839
incorrect from the DAS. So I'll follow
up on that.

678
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:42,000
» Yeah. Okay. We appreciate that. And if
you could get it to Jordan and Jordan

679
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:45,359
can assimilate it to the commission and
whoever else is interested in it.

680
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:47,839
» Um
I hear your wife's a good pickle ball

681
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,839
player by the way.
>> What's that?

682
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:53,839
» I heard your wife's a good pickle ball
player.

683
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,920
» Uh yes she is. Uh she she puts me to
shame.

684
00:51:54,720 --> 00:52:01,440
» Uh 12B.
>> So item B. Uh the outdoor public warning

685
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:06,000
uh siren bid. So this one's a little
more involved or a little more complex.

686
00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:12,079
Uh the board offered or authorized me to
go out for RFP. Uh that RFP went out. We

687
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:17,599
had one responsible uh bid on that. Uh
so while my request is that we approve

688
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:23,599
that bid uh and and have those two
sirens uh put in by Spearfish Electric,

689
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:28,400
uh I want to be fully transparent on
where we're at with the costs on those.

690
00:52:26,079 --> 00:52:33,040
Uh so these are the two sirens that were
destroyed. uh similar to when Davis uh

691
00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:37,359
came up with his items or his first
item. Uh these sirens were destroyed in

692
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:41,760
the 2025 windstorm. And so there's a lot
of different funding mechanisms going on

693
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:49,680
here. Uh there's a portion of it that is
uh insurance uh county insurance. Uh

694
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:54,319
there is a portion that is um uh FEMA uh
uh project costing uh that has some

695
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:58,079
state matching for reimbursement. And
then there's some mitigation which

696
00:52:56,000 --> 00:53:02,160
covers FEMA mitigation which covers some
enhancements uh to those siren

697
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:07,920
installations. So there's there's three
different uh uh and then the fourth is

698
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:12,160
is our regularly budgeted uh uh dollars
for that that we have in our 26 budget.

699
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:16,240
Uh so
um

700
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:20,800
my concern and the reason I wanted to
make sure that that uh I spelled this

701
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:28,720
out for the commission is I don't know
the timing of the insurance proceeds,

702
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:34,559
the the regular FEMA and state
reimbursement and the FEMA mitigation

703
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:40,319
reimbursement. And and so my concern is
is if those reimbursements don't come in

704
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:45,200
in this fiscal year and yet the bill
comes in this fiscal year for doing

705
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:53,160
those sirens, uh uh we would not have
the money in our in in our budget to to

706
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,160
cover that. Uh the money

707
00:53:53,200 --> 00:54:02,319
the money to cover those sirens uh
between FEMA, the state, and insurance

708
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:07,520
is there. I just don't know if it's
going to be in 26 or in 27. Uh so I just

709
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:11,040
wanted to to make sure I was transparent
with the board on the fact that if if we

710
00:54:09,839 --> 00:54:15,920
don't get those insurance and
reimbursement costs prior to that bill

711
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:21,599
coming due in 2026, uh it would require
a supplement um uh from general fund to

712
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:25,920
cover that until those monies came in uh
uh to make that hole. There'd be some

713
00:54:23,599 --> 00:54:29,520
juggling there. Uh I haven't talked with
Sabrina yet. I don't know if that would

714
00:54:27,359 --> 00:54:34,319
be an offset with the operating transfer
in 27 uh or not. Uh there's a couple

715
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:39,200
different ways to make that right when
those revenues come in. Um but I just

716
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:44,800
wanted to to put that up before the
commission uh rather than simply asking

717
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:48,920
for approval on that bid.
>> Thank you all commission.

718
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:54,800
» No, I mean I've read your memo. I get
it. We'll figure out the situation. And

719
00:54:53,359 --> 00:55:00,400
I'm going to move to award the siren
replacement project to Spearfish

720
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:03,119
Electric in the amount of 1744797.
>> Second.

721
00:55:01,200 --> 00:55:04,800
» A motion from Dur, second by Drews. All
in favor say I.

722
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:09,753
» I.
>> Opposed. Same sign. Hearing none. Motion

723
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:13,800
carries. Items from the highway.
[clears throat]

724
00:55:10,319 --> 00:55:13,800
Mr. Joe.

725
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,839
» Sir, you have the floor. Joe.
>> Good morning, commission. Joe Miller,

726
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:29,359
Pankton County Highway Department. Uh up
in front of you, item A is rightway and

727
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:34,800
utility cert certificates and letting
authorization for reservoir and Lamb

728
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:41,359
Road. This project was conceptualized in
21 or 22. I couldn't find the exact date

729
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:46,000
or the exact year. Um
due to the numerous accidents that we

730
00:55:44,079 --> 00:55:51,680
have at that intersection, we we've
tried several different uh orientations

731
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:55,040
of guardrail and um it continually gets
hit because the vertical curve going to

732
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:59,839
the north is just not enough sight
distance to know that hey that's a 90°

733
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:04,720
corner and when people come up to it
they smoke the guardrail and go into the

734
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:08,799
the neighbors property. So, um, with
that, the estimated C cost of

735
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:13,599
construction for this, uh, vertical
curve realignment is about $2.5 million.

736
00:56:11,839 --> 00:56:18,720
Of that, the cost of the county will be
10%, so $250,000.

737
00:56:16,240 --> 00:56:24,240
There will be an additional, uh, utility
relocation uh, cost for West River

738
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:27,680
Electric coming forward here in the the
next couple months. We're working

739
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:33,040
through that agreement with them. That's
uh, relocation cost is approximately

740
00:56:29,599 --> 00:56:38,319
$150,000. So, um, the cost will be
approximately $400,000 to the county and

741
00:56:36,319 --> 00:56:44,240
each time we've had to replace that
guardrail is between $5 and $10,000 and

742
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:48,480
it's sometimes a couple times a month um
in the winter months. So, with that,

743
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:51,760
I'll stand for any questions.
>> Commission,

744
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,400
» Mr. Chair.
>> Yes, Commissioner. I'm going to move to

745
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,920
approve the rideway and utility
certificates and letting authorization

746
00:56:56,160 --> 00:57:03,040
for Reservoir Road and Lamb Road
intersection reconstruction project PH

747
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:08,240
663701
PCN8.

748
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:14,640
» Second A motion from Dur a second by
Drews. All in favor say I. I.

749
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:20,640
» Motion carries. Um item B. Joe, you
>> item B is a uh letter or an item to

750
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:27,119
terminate an agreement between Sunset
Ranch and Pennington County. This uh

751
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:31,760
this agreement dates back to 2012. Um
and dates back even further than that.

752
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:36,160
Uh the road district had approached a
previous highway superintendent. um

753
00:57:33,839 --> 00:57:41,920
right after the uh subdivision had gone
in and they paved uh the section line

754
00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:47,520
road going to the the subdivision um was
sub

755
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:53,040
sub uh oh it was not built to any sort
of good standard at the time. Um this

756
00:57:50,240 --> 00:57:58,319
agreement is actually one of it is the
only agreement that we have with any of

757
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:02,079
our 165 plus road districts. Um,
Commissioner Wimbach and myself, as

758
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:07,440
stated in the memo, met with the road
district a couple two, three years ago,

759
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:12,319
um, and said that, okay, we'll crack
seal this in 2025. We'll get a chip

760
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:17,200
sealed in 2026, which both of those have
actually been done. Um, and with that,

761
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:22,240
we would like to terminate the agreement
as it's the only one that we have with

762
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:25,680
any of our 165 plus road districts and
kind of just make everything the same

763
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:30,000
with all of our road districts. So with
that, I'll stand for any questions.

764
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:33,280
» Commission,
>> Mr. Chair,

765
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:38,559
» like Mr. Joe had said, we we met with
these people and they clearly understood

766
00:58:35,839 --> 00:58:42,960
they they had a a request from the
county to they requested the county to

767
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:46,319
to crack seal and chip seal and then
they would take over from that point.

768
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:49,040
So, but Commissioner, are you?
>> Yeah. I'm just going to move to

769
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:53,520
authorize Highway Superintendent to send
formal written notice of termination to

770
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:58,480
Sunset Ranch Road District regarding
maintenance of a portion of 156th

771
00:58:56,079 --> 00:59:01,119
Avenue.
>> Seconds.

772
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:03,440
» Have a motion from Durham, second by Ros
Connect. All in favor say I.

773
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,640
» I. I.
>> Motion carries. Thank you, Mr. Joe.

774
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:12,040
» Thank you.
>> Items from human resources, HR or

775
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,040
changes.

776
00:59:13,359 --> 00:59:19,599
Hello. and welcome our new uh HR
director.

777
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:24,000
» Hello.
So on here, I'm recommending to revise

778
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:29,359
the HR organizational structure to have
the HR manager directly supervise those

779
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:34,000
HR generalists.
And going forward, the HR manager will

780
00:59:32,160 --> 00:59:38,960
be expected to provide that countywide
leadership and oversight of those

781
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:44,160
generalists uh within the scope and
obviously help with improving the

782
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:49,920
consistency along with myself and align
that HR manager position within the

783
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:54,480
scope and complexity of the role.
So, I I would like to have you guys

784
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:58,960
consider to update the HR manager and HR
generalist job descriptions and the

785
00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:04,319
organizational chart to reflect the new
structure and then also move to

786
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:07,920
reclassify the HR manager role from a
P4.1 to a P4.2.

787
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:12,000
» Cheer.
>> Yes, Commissioner Hancock. So, I agree

788
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:17,119
with the move to update the HR manager
HR generalist job descriptions and the

789
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:22,960
organization organizational charts to
reflect the new organizational structure

790
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:25,960
effective 8:30 2026.
>> Second,

791
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:32,000
» Mr. Chair,
>> Commissioner.

792
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:36,319
» Yeah, I can't support the request. uh
and you know we just went through

793
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:40,480
reviewing the organizational structure
and that just got adopted and there was

794
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:47,040
a discussion about you know getting an
HR director on board and then reviewing

795
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:51,200
that and so uh I know you just been here
a few weeks and so I know that this was

796
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:56,079
a request from the previous staff as to
how they would like to see things but uh

797
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:59,760
I'm [clears throat] looking more on a
model of and which you know has been

798
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:04,319
presented before but a model of Minhow
County where they don't even have an HR

799
01:01:01,359 --> 01:01:09,440
R manager position. They have an HR
director and they have a generalist and

800
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:16,400
a support staff and the HR director
manages all the generalist and manages

801
01:01:12,319 --> 01:01:23,839
you know the HR department. And so, uh,
my reason again for saying no is

802
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:29,599
secondarily that, uh, um, this is one
thing that I think the county is too

803
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:35,599
heavy in and that is, uh, leadership and
we have a lot of people, uh, in

804
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:40,079
leadership and in positions. Uh, we have
a lot of mid-level management and I

805
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:44,480
believe in some of those departments, we
have positions that are topheavy. If you

806
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:49,680
look at the org chart, it's very
vertical and then you look at it and you

807
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:54,880
say who's actually, you know, doing the
job if somebody's going to supervise and

808
01:01:51,680 --> 01:02:00,480
manage. And so those are, you know, just
my objections that I think that we could

809
01:01:57,359 --> 01:02:03,680
run leaner and uh across the county, not
just in the HR office. So

810
01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:08,880
» chair,
>> yes, Commissioner Hackup.

811
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:11,280
» Well, I agree. I had talked to um
Tell me your first name again, and I'm

812
01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:16,480
going to always forget it.
>> Melissa. Melissa, sorry, Melissa, I need

813
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:20,400
to call your name for a few times. I
agree with Melissa. Um I think you

814
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:26,079
always need a second. I think if
Melissa's um gone, there's always nice

815
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:31,280
to have a second. Now she puts a third
and a fourth and a more titles. Um I'm

816
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:36,799
not going to be agreeable to that, but I
think um when you're gone, you always

817
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:41,520
need a second. So I agree with that. and
with the generalists. Um it sounds like

818
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:46,319
with Ivana, she's uh built up a
relationship as well. So that makes a

819
01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:49,920
good team effort to do things. But like
I said, if you keep adding I need this,

820
01:02:48,258 --> 01:02:54,160
[clears throat] I need this, then I
agree with Commissioner Durr, but at

821
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:57,280
this time um when you're running your
organization, I just talked to you about

822
01:02:55,760 --> 01:03:02,559
this. When I'm running something, I
always want a second. And I have that in

823
01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:07,440
one of my ladies named Janice. Um if I'm
not there, she takes charge. So, she's

824
01:03:04,559 --> 01:03:11,520
basically doing my job. Um, so I
appreciate that you moved that forward.

825
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:15,359
I think again I'm in agreement of how
you're running and moving forward in a

826
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:19,599
way that you've recognize someone that
you know can take your job or not take

827
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:22,720
your job but help you with your job to
make it more efficient and effective for

828
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:27,520
Pennington County. So, thank you
Melissa.

829
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:32,960
» Mr. Chair, Commissioner Drew,
>> I would uh move to update the HR manager

830
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:37,280
and HR generalist job descriptions and
the organizational chart to reflect the

831
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:40,400
new organizational structure effective
August 30th, 2026.

832
01:03:40,319 --> 01:03:45,640
Have
>> a motion and a second. Any discussion on

833
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,640
that motion?

834
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,160
None. Seeing none, all in favor say I.
>> I.

835
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:56,160
» Opposed?
>> I So, let's do a roll call.

836
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,599
Drews
>> I

837
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,200
» Durr.
>> Nay.

838
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,880
» Wifeenbach.
>> Nay.

839
01:03:59,839 --> 01:04:02,480
» Ross Connect.
>> Hi.

840
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:06,559
» Hadcock.
>> Hi.

841
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:09,359
» Motion carries three to two.
>> Thank you, Melissa.

842
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,559
» She has one more.
>> Um,

843
01:04:09,839 --> 01:04:14,000
» what did you say?
>> She has one more item.

844
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:16,480
» You got one more. Um,
>> yes. And and does that

845
01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:17,520
» public defender compensation?
>> She has two.

846
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:20,720
» That
>> Oh, interim pay request. I'm sorry.

847
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:26,559
» Yep. Two more.
>> Okay. Item B.

848
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:32,000
» Uh, yep. And this one is the during the
consolidation of the HR department. Uh

849
01:04:29,440 --> 01:04:37,760
Yavana did step in in a time of need and
ensured all HR operations continue to

850
01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:42,240
function effectively. Uh and I would
like to provide interimm pay for her

851
01:04:40,319 --> 01:04:47,119
support and fulfilling that vacant role
of the HR director from May 5th to

852
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:51,680
August 1st. Chair
>> Commissioner Hadcock. Um I think uh

853
01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:56,079
Ivana like I just said does a wonderful
job but uh to be consistent for me um

854
01:04:54,400 --> 01:05:00,799
and I had talked to you about this too
Miss Melissa that um I have not when

855
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:07,920
other people have stepped in from public
defenders uh Trevor's position the HR

856
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:13,440
and um equalization um I was consistent
with um and most of the board has been

857
01:05:11,039 --> 01:05:19,839
too as well of not paying that
retroactive uh back pay um in those

858
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:23,200
areas. is. So, I won't be in favor of
this because of that, not because I

859
01:05:21,200 --> 01:05:27,599
don't think she does a wonderful job.
Um, I just think if we're going to do it

860
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:31,680
for one, we need to do it for all. And
you are going to change a process, which

861
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:37,200
is nice. And once I see the process
changed, um, I will probably in that

862
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:41,839
case be consistent as well of approving
these because you have made the changes

863
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:46,240
you needed to do. But with no policy or
procedure with that, um, I appreciate

864
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:48,000
that they're making the changes, Miss
Moose.

865
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:53,440
» Mr. Chair,
>> Commissioner Duce.

866
01:05:49,359 --> 01:05:58,880
» Um, I agree with the, uh, proposal. Uh,
I think that when individuals like Yvana

867
01:05:56,799 --> 01:06:05,200
step in and are willing to take on that
responsibility during the interim, uh,

868
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:08,240
that they, uh, earn the, uh, adjustment.
So, I'm going to support this, Mr.

869
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:11,599
Chair.
>> Commissioner Dur.

870
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:16,559
» Yeah. So, Melissa, I'm just going to
give a little background on this. So,

871
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:20,880
uh, basically the county has been
without an HR director since last

872
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:26,480
October until you came on at the
beginning of this month. And so, no,

873
01:06:24,559 --> 01:06:31,839
there's been no leadership direction
coming from HR organizationally about

874
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:38,319
policy changes, anything. I mean, it's
been HR in the county has been coasting

875
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:45,119
since last October. And so we did have
two other individuals that worked in the

876
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:49,359
HR office that asked for a a a change in
a leadership position or one of them

877
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:56,240
specifically a senior HR manager asked
for kind of an interim appointment that

878
01:06:52,559 --> 01:07:01,119
would include interim pay and uh that
that individual was holding you know a

879
01:06:58,559 --> 01:07:07,359
senior management position and we
declined to do that. And not only during

880
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:14,319
that whole time frame, uh, getting back
to Commissioners Hadcock's comments,

881
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:18,559
which are spoton, the, uh, other people
in the county stepped up. The commission

882
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:23,599
office took up a big load of some of the
HR responsibilities and coordinating and

883
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:28,640
working. And so it was really in the
absence of a direct leader there was a

884
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:33,520
responsibility that was spread across
multiple uh departments and everybody

885
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:37,839
just kind of sto stepped up to the plate
and said we're all here to help and in

886
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:44,640
fact at one point in time we had one
person be prior to the combined HR we

887
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:49,280
had one individual that we created an HR
generalist title because we had no more

888
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:53,680
HR people in the office and so we had
one individual

889
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:58,000
sage that, you know, just kind of
balanced things and stepped up to the

890
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:03,599
plate and did those things and we didn't
give additional pay. We changed the job

891
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:07,359
position and made it an HR generalist.
But, uh, so there were a lot of people

892
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:10,880
that stood up to the plate and if we
were going to make this change in my

893
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:16,080
mind, then we would need to go back and
do the same thing to everybody else that

894
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:21,120
requested it and was denied. And so
that's the reason I can't support this.

895
01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:24,960
» Okay. Thank you. Um
Jordan, can you go back to the last

896
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:30,799
motion we made? Did
show me the the whole motion? I mean the

897
01:08:28,080 --> 01:08:32,239
the on on this here
computer screen.

898
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,640
» Sure.
>> Is it didn't it actually include a

899
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:39,359
raise?
>> The it did include a reclassification of

900
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,199
the HR manager.
>> That would give her a raise.

901
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:48,480
» That Yes.
>> Okay. So, all right.

902
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:54,400
So, Mr. Chair, I'm going to move to deny
this motion request for interim pay for

903
01:08:53,359 --> 01:08:57,199
this position.
>> Second.

904
01:08:55,520 --> 01:09:02,239
» A motion in a second. Any other
discussion? Okay. All in favor of the

905
01:08:59,839 --> 01:09:07,759
motion of leaving everything the same,
but we prior motion is good. We're I

906
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:12,719
just want to say thanks Melissa. You
came in at a really rough time. We're

907
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:18,159
very happy to have Melissa on board. Um,
and we're very happy to have you Yvana

908
01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:21,600
on board and and Sage and everything's
working out and we've got a great

909
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,960
environment now to work with and uh
we're like we talked before about moving

910
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:28,480
forward with having a great
communication with all the staff. So,

911
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:30,960
but anyway, all in favor say I.
>> I

912
01:09:29,279 --> 01:09:38,480
» opposed. I
>> So, one I opposed. Is that correct?

913
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:41,600
» Okay, motion carries four to one
and we'll Thank you, Melissa. We got

914
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:43,520
» public defender.
>> Public defender

915
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,040
» run.
>> What?

916
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,080
» Joanna
>> 14C.

917
01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:48,880
» 14C.
>> 14C. Yep.

918
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:50,080
» Public defender compensation.
>> Yep.

919
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:54,560
» Okay.
>> Want to make sure you guys were good to

920
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:58,960
move that forward to move her pay change
uh to step 1068.63.

921
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:02,480
» Chair.
>> Yes. Commissioner,

922
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:09,679
» just a question. Um, why August 2nd
instead of she wasn't actually appointed

923
01:10:06,719 --> 01:10:14,480
till they had the interviews, right?
August 10th. Am I correct?

924
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:19,760
» When when I spoke to her, I think they
made the offer around that time frame.

925
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:24,159
Um, and that's that's she didn't really
have an official letter from that

926
01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:27,760
committee that said an effective date.
So, I think that's when the the offer

927
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:30,800
came through.
>> Jordan, did you have something?

928
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:34,560
» Yes. In essence, basically we were
trying to make it easy on per uh payroll

929
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:38,400
personnel. And so because we figured she
was already functioning as the interim

930
01:10:36,880 --> 01:10:41,840
uh public defender appointed by the
advisory committee, then we just started

931
01:10:40,159 --> 01:10:45,360
at the beginning of a pay period in
which she was actually appointed the the

932
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:48,719
public defender.
>> So I thought it said she was appointed

933
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:52,080
on August 10th.
>> On August 10th is when they did make the

934
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:55,040
offer and I believe she accepted it. I
want to say the same day.

935
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:57,760
» So you appointed her when you had the
interviews. It was before August 10th.

936
01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:01,679
It was August 2nd.
>> Right.

937
01:10:58,080 --> 01:11:02,960
» Okay. Now I get it. Thank you,
>> Mr. Chair.

938
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:06,159
» Yes.
>> I'm going to move to approve the

939
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:13,440
compensation for Pennington County
Public Defender

940
01:11:08,239 --> 01:11:19,120
Joanna Lawler at grade P53 step 106863
per hour or 142 75040 annually effective

941
01:11:17,199 --> 01:11:24,560
August 2nd 2026.
>> Second. Okay. We have a motion from Dur,

942
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:28,640
a second from Drew. All in favor say I.
I.

943
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:33,120
» Motion carries.
We're done with you. Thank you.

944
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:37,760
» Look forward to working with you. Uh
items commission office July 6th

945
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:40,000
facility closure update. The board will
be asked. This is Jordan, right?

946
01:11:39,199 --> 01:11:43,600
» It sure is.
>> Go ahead and speak, Jordan.

947
01:11:41,360 --> 01:11:47,040
» All right. I'll kind of touch base on uh
what how we got here in the first place

948
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:51,040
and then uh what we've done to present
at least some options here for the board

949
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:54,560
to consider. And so if you recall, it
was back in July. I don't believe we had

950
01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:58,320
it ready for that July 7th since that
had happened immediately after cyber

951
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:01,920
incident. But for the July 21st meeting,
we presented a quick memo to the board

952
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:08,320
just kind of saying that hey this is
what happened um because of

953
01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:11,920
administrative um processes that were in
place there uh certain employees of the

954
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:17,120
county were told not to report to work
on July 6th. Now after that when finally

955
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:21,520
leadership and everybody got to you know
be staffed in the same room and the word

956
01:12:19,199 --> 01:12:25,440
got out it decided that the facilities
would remain completely open even though

957
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:30,400
some employees had been told not to
report to work. And so what we talked

958
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:34,960
about at the last meeting was whether or
not you wanted to either apply the

959
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:39,199
emergency facility closure policy that
exists in the handbook even though this

960
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:42,880
did not fall under all of the criteria
that it needed to meet in order to be

961
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:46,480
considered an emergency facility
closure. And so that was one option that

962
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:49,360
we could do. And then the board floated
a couple of other ideas that I then kind

963
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:52,960
of fleshed out into four different
options that we could try to do

964
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:58,800
something or nothing, I guess, in
essence uh to to finally put this matter

965
01:12:55,920 --> 01:13:03,600
to bed. and then payroll will make any
retroactive corrections that we have to

966
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:06,880
do for this event. And so there's not
exactly a correct resolution to this.

967
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:11,040
It's all a matter of what comfort level
does the board have in trying to fix

968
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:15,520
some of the mess that was created by
maybe some miscommunication um but also

969
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:18,960
balance that against the fiscal
responsibility you have to the taxpayer

970
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:22,159
dollars that this depending on what you
do could end up costing a little bit of

971
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:28,159
money. chair. So
>> just just one thing Jordan, sorry.

972
01:13:25,120 --> 01:13:30,080
» So um why I'm saying or
>> I'm not trying to interrupt you Jordan.

973
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:35,760
It's all right.
>> So the direction was when the call was

974
01:13:33,679 --> 01:13:38,960
made, they you told me they called the
department heads and told them what

975
01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:42,880
direction.
>> And so basically it was a communication

976
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:46,480
between the sheriff, the EM director,
and all the department heads kind of

977
01:13:44,159 --> 01:13:49,440
saying, "Okay, so um this is what has
happened. there's a cyber incident and

978
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:52,320
you need to figure out what you're going
to be doing with your people

979
01:13:50,400 --> 01:13:55,600
essentially. And then at that point,
they had also spoken to some

980
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:59,920
commissioners and kind of got a feel and
felt like well I think it's wisest if we

981
01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:03,600
let the employees know just blanket let
them know that hey um you should not

982
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:06,560
report to work unless your supervisor
tells you to. And so that was kind of

983
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:10,480
the direction that people got in a big
old mass text to everybody using our

984
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:14,719
system. So,
>> so that tells me that the supervisors or

985
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:19,600
the department heads, whoever, um,
potentially with their job description

986
01:14:17,120 --> 01:14:24,880
weren't needed that if they didn't have
to report on Monday. So, it wouldn't be

987
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:29,440
actually if if I'm saying an emergency
in a sense. It's just that if we don't

988
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:32,640
have the capability for you to do
anything that day, basically, you're not

989
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:36,239
needed.
>> Exactly. Yes. it was they had to

990
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:39,280
determine for themselves whether or not
there was meaningful work that these

991
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:42,480
employees could do and if they felt well
if we don't have computers because again

992
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:46,000
we didn't know the full scope of the
incident at that time so everyone was

993
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:49,040
kind of operating blind and so it was
well if we don't have computers then

994
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:50,960
these people can't do work and so
there's no reason for them to come to

995
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:55,520
the office
>> so we have have we ever had an emergency

996
01:14:53,199 --> 01:14:59,760
where we where we needed and you might
not know this and since I've been here

997
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:04,159
» that we didn't need people for a certain
reason it always when we call we called

998
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:08,480
it emergency we didn't need anybody
basically you got to stay home. So

999
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:12,239
that's why I'm trying to determine okay
so the supervisors and the people

1000
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:16,480
actually said you know we're not going
to need you because of these reasons. I

1001
01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:21,520
want to treat the employees right, but I
also it's not an emergency in one sense

1002
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:27,760
and we made a deter determination with
our um department heads that you know

1003
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:33,679
some people could still work. So how do
you call it emergency in one sense and

1004
01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:38,000
then the other I get it um you can't you
can't do anything once you have that

1005
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:43,199
kind of cyber incident.
>> Um I'm I'm having a hard time not paying

1006
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:48,960
in one sense and then I'm I don't know
what to do. So, how many people remember

1007
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:52,239
we asked you, how many people did we
determine um weren't paid that day?

1008
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:55,120
Like,
>> that is the challenging number that

1009
01:15:53,679 --> 01:15:58,800
we're still trying to get down to. So,
we can go off of some payroll records,

1010
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:01,920
but we don't have records of which
employees weren't there because there

1011
01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:05,360
just aren't no records for them. And so,
instead of having payroll go through and

1012
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,400
dig through everything, what we did is
we tried to gain just some averages so

1013
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:13,600
that we could come up with some numbers.
So, we looked at the Mondays preceding

1014
01:16:10,880 --> 01:16:16,880
and after that event and just compared,
okay, well, general hours, how many

1015
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:23,440
would have been here, how many weren't,
and we identified a potential 30 to 50

1016
01:16:19,760 --> 01:16:27,520
people who potentially were not paid and
did not report to work on that day from

1017
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:31,040
what our averages were showing should
have been the numbers. And then above

1018
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:33,760
and beyond that, some people didn't
report to work and had to use their own

1019
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:39,640
personal paid leave.
>> So, the bottom line is

1020
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,640
Right.

1021
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:45,920
It says do not.
>> Okay. And then you clicked on the link

1022
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:50,239
in oh the response time frame that said
the full message actually did say

1023
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:52,800
» how about we do this. How about we go
over the options and then we can

1024
01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:55,679
» in the text. Mr. Chair,
>> he's got four options. So then we can

1025
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:58,000
kind of figure out see if there's
something.

1026
01:16:56,080 --> 01:17:04,320
» So if it's 30 to 50 people, the main
thing is what is 30 to 50 people on the

1027
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:08,000
cost. Number two, um make sure that none
some of those, you know, that they

1028
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:12,239
weren't supposed to report anyway. So we
don't just pay in emergency 3050 people

1029
01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:15,840
that were off that were paying 30 or 50
people that were supposed to supposedly

1030
01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:18,239
report. Make sense?
>> What that cost is?

1031
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:22,560
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, yeah, my comment on this is the

1032
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:28,560
chair did not authorize an emergency
closure. And so, you know, when you have

1033
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:32,159
uh department heads or others that put
communications out that were not

1034
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:35,040
authorized by the commission that says,
you know, AB and C, and I'm sure at the

1035
01:17:33,679 --> 01:17:38,400
time there was a little bit of
communication issue, maybe

1036
01:17:36,320 --> 01:17:43,040
miscommunication.
Uh but uh and my issue with this is the

1037
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:46,480
fact that I was here that Monday morning
and the building, this building was open

1038
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:50,640
to the public and it's not like the
sheriff is going to say to his

1039
01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:56,320
correction staff and to the deputies, uh
don't report to work today. Um and so we

1040
01:17:54,719 --> 01:18:01,199
had employees that did come to work.
There were employees in this building

1041
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:06,239
and that showed up. And the other issue
is that this was not just on that Monday

1042
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:11,040
following the 4th of July. We're talking
about

1043
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:14,960
a a really the cyber incident caused a
lack of productivity and there were many

1044
01:18:12,800 --> 01:18:19,600
employees that did not have computers to
do their jobs. And so you found uh you

1045
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:24,560
know other opportunities within the
office to continue to work and to you

1046
01:18:22,000 --> 01:18:28,400
know get paid. And so part of this
emergency closure also if you're going

1047
01:18:26,480 --> 01:18:33,360
to say it was an emergency closure is
everybody that showed up would get paid

1048
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:38,960
time and a half. And so I don't think
that that's fair to uh across the

1049
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:45,040
organization to say you came to work
that day, you get time and a half uh due

1050
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:48,320
to our emergency policy and you stayed
home and took leave time and so we're

1051
01:18:46,960 --> 01:18:52,880
going to you know you take your leave
time and so I think to be fair and

1052
01:18:50,719 --> 01:18:58,400
equitable across the board, you know,
and again I said it the last time this

1053
01:18:55,120 --> 01:19:02,560
is why we give you know uh leave
benefits to the employees and the fact

1054
01:19:00,880 --> 01:19:06,880
that it was a Monday after a Fourth of
July hol holiday is going to make it

1055
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:11,840
difficult when people submitted their
time to say, you know, were you already

1056
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:15,199
on vacation? Did you take vacation? And
nope, now you're going to get paid for

1057
01:19:13,520 --> 01:19:21,040
that or now we're going to pay these
people time and a half. Uh, and so, um,

1058
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:24,560
I'm looking to do nothing other than
what has already been done, and that is

1059
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:29,679
just utilize leave time, go leave
without pay, and I'm not looking to pay

1060
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:34,000
overtime. and he's got the financials in
here as to what the options would cost.

1061
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:39,120
I looked at those yesterday and my
comment about this is uh it this

1062
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:44,960
incident over the last two months has
cost the taxpayers time and money. Um

1063
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:48,320
their inability to do business with the
county, some of them not being able to

1064
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:53,280
close on their properties, paying
additional fees to do business uh with

1065
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:57,120
the county. And so it's been a a
hardship the last couple of months

1066
01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:01,679
across Pennington County to the
employees, to our staff, to leadership,

1067
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:05,280
uh to our teams, and we have a lot of
good people, but I'm not looking to

1068
01:20:03,679 --> 01:20:09,199
split the hair over this and try to
figure out who gets time and a half and

1069
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:11,280
who doesn't.
>> Mr. Chair.

1070
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:18,159
» Yes, Commissioner Drews.
>> So, I'm at the on the other end of the

1071
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:23,040
spectrum. Uh I believe that uh if
employees were told not to report

1072
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:27,840
uh because of the incident that took
place and they were they were scheduled

1073
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:33,120
to work that day that they should be
eligible for pay because of the

1074
01:20:30,080 --> 01:20:38,560
direction that was provided. I'm not in
favor of the of the time and a half uh

1075
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:43,520
for other employees, but I believe that
those employees and if that's 30 to 50

1076
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:48,080
employees, uh certainly the departments
know of those that were scheduled to be

1077
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:52,880
on vacation during that period of time.
So that should not be very difficult to

1078
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:57,440
isolate those individuals. Uh but I
think anybody that did not show up

1079
01:20:54,480 --> 01:21:02,480
because of the direction provided of
saying not to report to work uh should

1080
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:06,640
be compensated.
>> Can you go over the options with us,

1081
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:09,520
Jordan? So absolutely give us a better
idea of what we're looking at here. Or

1082
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:12,239
if somebody wants to make a motion, I'm
good with that, too.

1083
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:15,520
» I'll just really quickly touch on the
options. I won't get too far into the

1084
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:20,080
weeds in this. Option A would have been
just uh leave things as they were

1085
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:24,000
already handled. So this was we followed
the existing employee handbook as we

1086
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:27,760
interpreted it, noting that it was not
an emergency facility closure. So

1087
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:31,280
knowing that people were told not to
report to work, we had them just kind of

1088
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:34,000
use their own leave balances and if they
didn't have any leave balances, they

1089
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:37,600
took unpaid time off if they weren't
able to report to work. So that's what

1090
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:41,760
happened for option A. We could leave it
at that and move forward. Option B would

1091
01:21:39,679 --> 01:21:46,239
be to apply the emergency facility
closure compensation from the policy

1092
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:49,600
that exists in our policy. We would just
be applying it to this exceptional

1093
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:53,360
situation. So, this is a unique
situation that we feel could kind of

1094
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:58,400
qualify, but we're not going to say
that, you know, in uh in perpetuity, but

1095
01:21:56,159 --> 01:22:01,280
at least this one event we would apply
this to it. And then that's where you

1096
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:05,360
would pay people time and a half for
those who did work. And it's I've got a

1097
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:09,280
rough estimate of 45,000 for the people
who got the time and a half, 325 for

1098
01:22:07,760 --> 01:22:12,480
leave. that would be refunded to
employees who utilized their personal

1099
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:16,639
leave and up to about 10,000 maybe
11,000 for employees who took unpaid

1100
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:20,560
time off is our estimate for that.
Option C is what Commissioner Drews just

1101
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:24,800
mentioned. We don't give the time and a
half but you still manage those who did

1102
01:22:22,480 --> 01:22:29,600
not report to work and utilized leave
balances or took unpaid time off as

1103
01:22:27,280 --> 01:22:33,920
well. And so that removes basically that
45,000 for the time and a half but still

1104
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:37,760
leaves the potential impact for the
leave benefits that are refunded back to

1105
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:42,880
these employees. And then [snorts]
option D was uh again it was floated at

1106
01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:47,120
the from the dis at that July 21st
meeting of just well maybe we could just

1107
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:50,159
give everybody a a broad application of
eight hours of administrative leave.

1108
01:22:48,960 --> 01:22:54,400
That would be simple to do
administratively but also it's more

1109
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:57,520
expensive because we're not identifying
who was impacted by this. We're just

1110
01:22:55,920 --> 01:23:01,920
saying well if you were employed on that
day here you all go here's some leave

1111
01:23:00,159 --> 01:23:05,120
and you can do what you want with it.
Um, and so there's a lot of question

1112
01:23:03,679 --> 01:23:07,600
marks around option D. If you guys
wanted to talk through some of those

1113
01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:11,760
options and really consider it, we can
get into that. Otherwise, those are the

1114
01:23:09,440 --> 01:23:14,480
four that we prepared for today's
consideration.

1115
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:17,760
» And Mr. Chair,
>> yep, commission.

1116
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:22,239
» Yeah. And each of those in my, you know,
and again, I mean, it's option D is

1117
01:23:19,760 --> 01:23:27,840
estimated to be $133,000
cost. And getting back to equity,

1118
01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:31,199
uh, so
employees that didn't come to work and,

1119
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:34,400
you know, let's just say they had leave
time or they chose not to use their

1120
01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:38,960
leave time, they stayed home and we're
going to pay them uh without utilizing

1121
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:42,320
leave time. And then the ones that
showed up, we're just going to pay them

1122
01:23:40,639 --> 01:23:47,199
the regular wage and said, "You showed
up to work, you didn't, I'm going to pay

1123
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:55,840
you, too." And that's where it gets into
the inequity. And I think all of this is

1124
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:59,120
uh one thing uh to um our HR director.
The one challenge that I think you know

1125
01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:03,600
we discussed with you during the
interview is that our policies and stuff

1126
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:08,320
in the employee handbook need to be
tightened up and we need to have a

1127
01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:12,880
process in place as to how this stuff is
going to be implemented and we're

1128
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:19,120
currently lacking on that knowing that
it's something we have to work on. Uh

1129
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:23,639
but uh anyway, uh I'm gonna make a
motion that we go with option A.

1130
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:27,280
» Chair.
>> Yes, Commissioner.

1131
01:24:25,679 --> 01:24:31,520
» Sorry, Commissioner Dur. I just want to
hear from some of the department heads

1132
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:36,560
or the HR and what they're thinking on
um some of these options and what what

1133
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:41,360
they think the process should be. Um
obviously, we had some people thought it

1134
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:44,719
was emergency. Um they sent that out.
They weren't trying to be facitious on

1135
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:53,440
it. they just figured it was an
emergency for a reason. Um because of

1136
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:58,320
bottom line, um it was a big impact. So
kind of want to know those decisions and

1137
01:24:56,080 --> 01:25:02,639
some of the stuff on the bottom line of
why we should or should not pay.

1138
01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:08,320
» So who would you want us? It looks like
the sheriff's moved forward for comment.

1139
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:11,760
Mr. Brian, you have the chair I and then
uh go ahead.

1140
01:25:10,560 --> 01:25:15,840
Brian Mueller, Pennington County
Sheriff, and this this might my opinion

1141
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:20,880
might not is definitely not going to be
the opinion of the rest of the elected

1142
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:26,000
officials and department heads. But uh
um this is this is complicated and what

1143
01:25:24,239 --> 01:25:30,639
I try to reflect on on this and I think
I talked to Commissioner Wenbach about

1144
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:34,400
this early on is this is an anomaly.
This is the first time this has ever

1145
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:37,360
happened in Pennington County and we
could have shored some things up better

1146
01:25:35,760 --> 01:25:42,639
on the communication and on the front
end of it. But it leaves us with a

1147
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:47,040
really challenging situation. You have
uh some departments that told everybody

1148
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:50,880
to stay home. You have departments like
ours that have to keep up and

1149
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:56,080
operational. And it's even more
complicated than that in that we had

1150
01:25:53,600 --> 01:26:00,800
small groups of pe of small teams of
people that we brought half the team in

1151
01:25:58,239 --> 01:26:06,719
and half the team stayed home because we
just didn't have we didn't have enough

1152
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:10,639
work at that specific time. Um so uh to
pay the ones that just came to work and

1153
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:15,280
I and I like taking care of the
employees. I really do. um to just pay

1154
01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:19,840
the ones that come to work without doing
the time and the half, I think it's

1155
01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:25,120
problematic for 3/4 of the employees of
Pennington County that came to work that

1156
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:29,120
day. Um but also at the same time, I
think the the financial impact of paying

1157
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:33,120
everybody time and a half for coming in
and doing their regular work doesn't

1158
01:26:30,639 --> 01:26:38,400
necessarily seem right for me. So, I
would support option A. And I know

1159
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:41,199
that's not going to be everybody's uh
that's not going to be real popular with

1160
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:46,560
everybody, but this is a tough
situation. I do think internally in our

1161
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:50,239
office and in probably everybody else's
office and department, we've worked out

1162
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:55,520
how we're going to handle this in the
future so we wouldn't have the same

1163
01:26:51,760 --> 01:27:00,000
issue having a better understanding of
>> do you just bring everybody in bring

1164
01:26:58,159 --> 01:27:04,480
everybody in and find something as
meaningful as we can to do for the day

1165
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:07,120
versus having some people stay home. I
think there'll be a combination of that

1166
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:11,520
if this type of thing were to happen
again, but we've learned a lot from it.

1167
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:13,760
This is a difficult situation and I
appreciate you guys working through it

1168
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:18,800
and listening. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Mr. Brian. And that that's

1169
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:24,960
correct. We we had several conversations
and I've had several conversations and I

1170
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:31,360
I'm going to second Commissioner Dur's
um request for option A. And the reason

1171
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:36,159
is is that I remember working in in
retail world and and had we got

1172
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:41,440
burglarized and and and when they got
burglarized everybody had to go home and

1173
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:49,199
nobody got paid. I mean, but I'm holding
in front of me here one, two, three,

1174
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:56,560
four front and back sides of paper that
are filled with acred leave time uh and

1175
01:27:54,080 --> 01:28:02,800
vacation time for the county employees
of Pennington County. Pennington County

1176
01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:07,600
has a really really lenient
uh leave and paid acral approval time.

1177
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:13,840
Right now, we have a current liability
that we don't report on our books of

1178
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:17,520
$4.6 million.
So, if these people all cashed in their

1179
01:28:15,679 --> 01:28:22,400
leave time tomorrow, we would have to
write a check for $4.6 million. I think,

1180
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:26,159
you know, after having extensive
conversations and and through the whole

1181
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:29,840
cyber incident, I can guarantee you one
thing. I've learned a ton. I some of it

1182
01:28:28,239 --> 01:28:34,239
I didn't even know how people's
operations were connected between trying

1183
01:28:32,880 --> 01:28:38,639
to find priorities, trying to do all
these things. Uh we have an IT

1184
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:42,480
department that's working 12 hours a day
as much as they possibly can. We had

1185
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:46,719
people come in from the outside. We had
commissioners get together, bring in

1186
01:28:44,639 --> 01:28:52,320
people
um from the outside cyber security

1187
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:56,719
world. Um everybody's taking it on the
chin here and I don't think this is

1188
01:28:53,520 --> 01:29:01,440
asking that much um for someone to just
you to we take option A, we we roll with

1189
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:05,280
it and I think that most of it we've
rolled with it already and yeah, did we

1190
01:29:03,760 --> 01:29:14,159
learn a lot? We learned a ton and I tell
you it's going to take months before we

1191
01:29:07,199 --> 01:29:17,360
have a uh a uh end of operations uh
you know report that says this is how we

1192
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:23,600
can do it better. There's no doubt that
we can but uh we've learned a ton and uh

1193
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:31,040
I think that with this being a factor
that our our leave and our vacation pay

1194
01:29:26,400 --> 01:29:34,639
is so so broad and so lucrative to the
employees that I'm I'm fine with option

1195
01:29:32,560 --> 01:29:38,480
A. So, but it looks like Trevor wants to
say something.

1196
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:41,440
» So, but did Commissioner Gary, did you
want to say something?

1197
01:29:39,360 --> 01:29:46,080
» I'm going to offer a substitute motion
to uh adopt uh item C.

1198
01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:49,120
» We have a substitute motion. Do we have
a second for that?

1199
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:52,320
» Second.
>> Okay. So, we have a motion and

1200
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:56,080
substitute. So, we have a substitute
motion to offer C. So, you pull C up,

1201
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:59,320
Jordan.
>> You bet.

1202
01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:06,159
» Okay. So, everybody can see C. And then
Trevor, you you want to make a comment?

1203
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:10,159
» Sure. Okay. Thank you, Chair. Um I'm
just going to address uh Commissioner

1204
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:14,960
Hancock's um request to have department
heads come up and give their opinion. Um

1205
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:20,239
my department was one where I I was the
only one there that day. I told everyone

1206
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:24,719
else to to stay home. Um got the call on
Sunday and sent the text out on Sunday.

1207
01:30:22,719 --> 01:30:28,960
Um and I would I would definitely
support option C. Um like uh

1208
01:30:26,960 --> 01:30:36,159
Commissioner Drews was was discussing
there. Um, I do however understand the

1209
01:30:32,560 --> 01:30:40,480
complexity of this decision. Um, because
my office is one where we just had no

1210
01:30:38,000 --> 01:30:44,719
one there and I realize that there's a
lot of other uh scenarios to encompass

1211
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:52,280
there, but I wanted to give my opinion
for for my staff. Um, I I'd support

1212
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:52,280
option C. So, thank you.

1213
01:31:05,679 --> 01:31:13,040
I had to check and make sure it was
still morning. Good. Good morning, Laura

1214
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:19,120
Retzel, states attorney. I just want
to say that the text that was sent out

1215
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:23,280
to all of our employees said, "Do not
report."

1216
01:31:20,639 --> 01:31:27,840
And I think that
that needs to be clear for the record

1217
01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:32,080
that our people were told not to report
and many of them live paycheck to

1218
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:41,120
paycheck and even even one day of
impacted leave um matters and so I am

1219
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:47,560
stepping forward in support of option C.
>> Thank you Miss Laura.

1220
01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:47,560
So, oh,

1221
01:31:51,199 --> 01:31:56,880
» go ahead. You have the floor.
>> Good morning. Scott Guffy, Bington

1222
01:31:54,320 --> 01:32:01,679
County natural resource director. Uh, so
I was notified by the sheriff on 4th of

1223
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:05,360
July in the cyber incident and that a
text would be going out to our

1224
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:09,920
employees. I called my foreman and my
operations manager telling them to

1225
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:15,880
report to work. Uh, so we did work. I
would support option A.

1226
01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:15,880
Thank you, Scott.

1227
01:32:16,480 --> 01:32:21,120
» So, we have a substitute motion on the
floor for option C

1228
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:26,320
» here.
>> Yes, Commissioner Hog.

1229
01:32:22,719 --> 01:32:31,040
» So, listening to both sides, um the
complexity and the anomaly, I'm going to

1230
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:38,000
agree with meaning I was looking at
option C, but as actually with common

1231
01:32:34,719 --> 01:32:43,600
sense of it all, um this was a isolated
incident. Um, bottom line is just the

1232
01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:47,520
complexity of trying to figure out for
the employees

1233
01:32:45,440 --> 01:32:51,360
how we treat one and not the other
because some came in, they're going to

1234
01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:55,760
be mad, some going to be mad because
they don't get paid. But the bottom line

1235
01:32:53,600 --> 01:33:02,159
comes to the complexity and the anomaly
for me um for what happened. Um

1236
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:05,360
hopefully at this point we've learned
something. We've always learned

1237
01:33:03,360 --> 01:33:10,320
something here and I've haven't had to
deal with this and I've been in here

1238
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:16,639
what 12 years. So, uh, bottom line is,
um, I'm going to have to go with option

1239
01:33:12,880 --> 01:33:21,760
A today just because of, um, some of the
cost wouldn't, uh, put us over the edge

1240
01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:25,760
in one sense, but also to treat both
sides fair. So, I appreciate it.

1241
01:33:24,400 --> 01:33:31,520
» Okay. So, right now, we have a motion
for option C. So, let's vote on that

1242
01:33:28,400 --> 01:33:34,000
motion. And, uh, all in favor say I.
>> I. I.

1243
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:39,199
» Opposed? I.
>> So, let's do a roll call.

1244
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:40,960
» Drew. I
>> Durr.

1245
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:43,199
» Nay
>> Wifenbach.

1246
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:45,600
» Nay
>> Ross Connect

1247
01:33:44,480 --> 01:33:50,000
» I
>> Hadcock.

1248
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:54,480
» Okay. So motion fails. So does that
>> mean it goes back to the motion?

1249
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:59,600
» The original motion which is option A.
>> Option A was made by Dur. Second by

1250
01:33:57,120 --> 01:34:04,000
Wenbach. So let's do a roll call vote on
that one.

1251
01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:07,000
» Drews. Hey,
>> I

1252
01:34:09,120 --> 01:34:15,199
» may
>> I motion carries 32. So, we'll move on

1253
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:19,280
to the next item.
>> Can we take a five or 10 minute break?

1254
01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:20,800
» Let's take a break here.
>> Yep.

1255
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:24,159
» Okay,
>> we'll take a five or 10 minute probably

1256
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:31,080
is going to be lean more to 10 to 12
minutes break. So,

1257
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:31,080
» 11 minute break. Okay, we'll compromise.

1258
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:48,480
Gonna get back rolling here, guys. Um,
thanks for the patience. Uh, we're going

1259
01:34:42,639 --> 01:34:51,480
to start in on some uh the item
16.

1260
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:56,960
Correct. Item 16, the provisional
budget. So, I guess I'll give you the

1261
01:34:55,679 --> 01:34:58,960
floor, Jordan. Is that how you want to
operate that?

1262
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:02,639
» Absolutely. I'll at least kick us off
and then as the board has questions or

1263
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:06,639
wants to go follow down any rabbit hole,
we can dive down them as we go. Okay.

1264
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:10,560
» And so, as we all know, this is the
statutoily mandated meeting the first

1265
01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:14,320
Tuesday of September that we have to
meet to consider the provisional budget

1266
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:17,760
for final adoption. It does not have to
be made today, but we should decide by

1267
01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:21,520
motion as the board, you I should say,
not me, um whether or not you want to

1268
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:25,679
continue this to a further date or add
any other special meetings as well. As a

1269
01:35:23,679 --> 01:35:30,159
reminder, September 17th is kind of
slated right now as our approval our

1270
01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:33,120
final approval date, but if the board
happened to get through everything they

1271
01:35:31,520 --> 01:35:37,600
wanted to today, you could approve it
and adopt it today. I'd just have to go

1272
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:40,239
type up a resolution. Um, but I had two
presentations here that I wanted to

1273
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:43,679
definitely walk you through. And the
rest of this is really just background

1274
01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:47,199
information that if you had some
questions, we can go through some of the

1275
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:51,360
stuff we've seen. But for sure, I wanted
to at least touch base on the updates

1276
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:55,520
from the provisionally approved budget
on where we're currently looking at

1277
01:35:53,199 --> 01:35:57,920
personnel figures because that's the the
biggest kind of well, what are we going

1278
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:02,560
to do about that? Because those
increases can be in the millions of

1279
01:35:59,440 --> 01:36:06,960
dollars. And so I took the loose board
direction that we wanted to go ahead and

1280
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:12,400
look at those figures if they included a
2.5% cost of living adjustment, uh,

1281
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:16,639
continued step increases, and then I
think it was a 5.75% health insurance

1282
01:36:15,199 --> 01:36:20,320
increase. And that'll be the second
presentation I've got is to start those

1283
01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:25,920
conversations on healthcare because I've
now finally looked into some of those

1284
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:29,440
numbers. And I have concerns is where
I'll start with that. But let's begin

1285
01:36:27,920 --> 01:36:34,840
with the personnel presentation that
I've got here. If it'll load. There we

1286
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,840
go.

1287
01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:39,840
So, first I wanted to give us the
baseline of what was provisionally

1288
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:42,560
approved. And so, we compiled the data
from multiple sources. is we put

1289
01:36:41,199 --> 01:36:46,800
together a spreadsheet for personnel
figures that gave us a baseline as of

1290
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:50,480
June 2026. That would have been the
number that you did approve

1291
01:36:48,400 --> 01:36:54,000
provisionally. And so the provisionally
approved figures did not include benefit

1292
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:57,280
premium increases. It didn't include
shift differential pay. It didn't

1293
01:36:55,280 --> 01:37:00,960
include outofclass pay. And it didn't
include any leave payouts for

1294
01:36:58,960 --> 01:37:04,320
anticipated retirements. All of that was
left off of those. No promotions,

1295
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:08,480
nothing like that. It was a very
baseline flat number that we were going

1296
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:12,239
to use to then compare against these
other options that part of them the

1297
01:37:10,400 --> 01:37:15,520
board has already made by motion and the
rest of it is just kind of general

1298
01:37:13,920 --> 01:37:21,280
direction without an official motion
yet. And so the provisionally approved

1299
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:25,920
budget for J July the personnel totaled
71,966,000

1300
01:37:23,679 --> 01:37:29,119
and that excludes unemployment and the
self- insurance fund which essentially

1301
01:37:27,679 --> 01:37:32,560
you'd be double counting that self-
insurance fund because it would be an

1302
01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:35,199
expense in group insurance and then
another expense in claims paid and

1303
01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:39,280
everything like that in the self-
insurance fund. So for the baseline

1304
01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:42,560
figures 719 is kind of what we were
looking at for personnel. And there's

1305
01:37:40,880 --> 01:37:47,360
the breakdown of what all is included
within that figure. regular wages, time

1306
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:52,080
of service, overtime, taxes, retirement,
and group insurance. Then we looked at a

1307
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:56,639
really quick five-year history of actual
expenditures and personnel versus what

1308
01:37:54,320 --> 01:38:01,199
was budgeted, approved budget. And so
that is the approved budget, not the

1309
01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:06,480
final budget after they uh got any, if
any, uh supplements. And so you can see

1310
01:38:03,679 --> 01:38:12,000
the trend. We were running about 93.4%
then 94.5. We're typically within that

1311
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:16,320
95% of personnel spent. And the majority
of what you don't see from that being

1312
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:19,600
unspent is typically in that group
insurance line or at least historically

1313
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:23,760
that's where we've seen the majority of
it. There have been some instances where

1314
01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:27,520
you had salary salvage in certain
budgets where they just weren't fully

1315
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:31,600
filled in salaries but really the
biggest swing there is well we budgeted

1316
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:36,400
for someone on a family plan they came
in and just declined coverage so now

1317
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:40,080
we're saving 20,000 $30,000 a year. And
so that happens enough times in the

1318
01:38:37,840 --> 01:38:44,719
county that you start to see that 95%
utilization.

1319
01:38:41,920 --> 01:38:49,760
And as you can see in 25 and 26, the
budget numbers were tight and are tight.

1320
01:38:47,760 --> 01:38:53,600
And so as we're looking at the 2027
provisionally approved budget, it is a

1321
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:57,760
significant increase. Not quite a
million dollars, but still not nearly as

1322
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:04,159
as big of a jump as you were seeing when
you were jumping from say 23 to 24's

1323
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:08,239
budget of 61.9 up to 67.7 million in
personnel. And so it's started to slow

1324
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:11,679
down and tighten up as as the commission
has given directive to kind of let's

1325
01:39:10,080 --> 01:39:15,679
control these increases. And that's what
this graph represents.

1326
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:20,639
And so then we look at the breakout of
that provisionally approved personnel

1327
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:24,719
figures for 2027. And 78% of that is in
salaries and wages. And that is still a

1328
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:28,159
little shocking to me because that is a
little bit uh better than the industry

1329
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:32,320
standard. Usually you see benefits take
up a much bigger chunk of someone's

1330
01:39:30,159 --> 01:39:37,199
total compensation. And so to see this
just means that we are definitely direct

1331
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:41,040
paying our employees uh more than than
the the average I should say for local

1332
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:44,480
governments.
So then we look at what we changed to

1333
01:39:42,960 --> 01:39:47,119
the provisional. And so after the
provisional budget was approved, the

1334
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:50,239
commission office worked with department
heads again and elected officials to

1335
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:53,199
refine the personnel figures even
further. And then do note that the

1336
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:57,119
following figures are compounding
factors on each other. So when I present

1337
01:39:55,280 --> 01:40:01,040
budget impacts for each of these
options, those are approximate because

1338
01:39:59,119 --> 01:40:05,760
if you pick a COLA and a step increase,
they they add to each other because

1339
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:09,199
they're compounding. But this is some of
the impacts that we looked at here for

1340
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:13,360
post-provisional changes. We were
looking at an increase to the budget if

1341
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:18,400
we were to add in a 2.5% cost of living
adjustment. We anticipate that about to

1342
01:40:15,440 --> 01:40:23,600
be $1.6 million. and then continued
annual step increases on the anniversary

1343
01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:29,440
month of an employees hire date of hire,
it's about $528,000. And then the

1344
01:40:26,320 --> 01:40:33,360
insurance premiums, this is where
uh we'll we'll get into this more later.

1345
01:40:31,040 --> 01:40:36,400
Uh right now, just with about a 6%
increase of current premiums both to the

1346
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:40,159
employee and the employer, you're
looking at an extra $350,000.

1347
01:40:38,800 --> 01:40:43,360
And then there were known changes and
reductions. The sheriff came at the last

1348
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:48,719
meeting and offered up some cut
positions and also we went with a 4%

1349
01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:52,800
reduction. And so that 4% reduction only
applied to the sheriff's budgets at that

1350
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:57,840
meeting, but we went ahead and applied
it to the exact same departments that we

1351
01:40:55,199 --> 01:41:02,320
did it for in 2026's budget. And so that
would be the sheriff all divisions,

1352
01:40:59,440 --> 01:41:06,639
highway, ESC 911, state's attorney's
office, public defenders office, and

1353
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:12,400
buildings and grounds. And that amounted
to a net reduction in the budget of

1354
01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:17,199
about $2.3 million for that 4% cut just
to salaries and wages. And so as we look

1355
01:41:14,960 --> 01:41:23,600
at the total updated personnel figures,
we're now rocking somewhere around 717

1356
01:41:21,199 --> 01:41:26,560
with the ads and the subtractions. But
then that means that those employees are

1357
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:30,880
getting that cost of living and step
increases. And then there will be a

1358
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:35,119
known increase to insurance premiums,
which I'll go through in a minute. Uh so

1359
01:41:33,440 --> 01:41:40,320
you see that it's a change from the
provisionally approved budget by.3%

1360
01:41:37,760 --> 01:41:46,679
basically $200,000 but it is still a
change from the approved 2026 budget by

1361
01:41:43,199 --> 01:41:46,679
almost $600,000.

1362
01:41:47,360 --> 01:41:52,880
And that is the end of the personnel
spreadsheets. Any question on those

1363
01:41:50,800 --> 01:41:58,159
figures right there?
>> That is Oh sorry I will say one thing.

1364
01:41:56,400 --> 01:42:01,920
» So you have miscellaneous. You have
self-unded insurance, insurance, debt,

1365
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:07,360
services, transfer out, and then your
total is 220689

1366
01:42:04,639 --> 01:42:12,000
or 696.
>> Which sheet are you?

1367
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:16,239
» I'm on looking at this one.
>> Can you see it?

1368
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:22,080
» Oh, that one. Okay, I can.
>> Can you explain the 22068696

1369
01:42:20,159 --> 01:42:24,400
for me?
>> Let's see if I can bring that up. Give

1370
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:28,719
me one moment.
>> Thank you, Jordan. I appreciate that.

1371
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:31,760
And thank you by the way for uh you and
Kenner's time yesterday and explaining a

1372
01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:35,119
lot of the budget stuff as well.
>> Absolutely. All right. So basically

1373
01:42:33,760 --> 01:42:39,440
miscellaneous is stuff that doesn't
necessarily fall into the major

1374
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:43,920
operational categories, but it still is
um items that the county has to pay for.

1375
01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:47,679
So the self-funded insurance plan is
essentially double counted in a county

1376
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:51,520
budget because each of the individual
departments have a county portion that

1377
01:42:49,920 --> 01:42:55,920
they have to deduct from their own
budgets that then go into the self-

1378
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:59,760
insurance fund. But we also have claims
paid. We have administrative costs that

1379
01:42:57,679 --> 01:43:04,159
those premiums are used to pay for in
the self- insurance fund. And so that 10

1380
01:43:01,920 --> 01:43:07,440
million five, that's our admin fees,
that's our claims paid, that's our

1381
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:11,199
dental, that's our life, that's all of
that stuff included that's coming out of

1382
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,679
the 603 fund, which is our self-
insurance fund.

1383
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:16,960
» So it comes out, what's the average of
the that comes out every year the last

1384
01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:20,719
few years? Do you know?
>> Are we talking about claims or the admin

1385
01:43:19,040 --> 01:43:25,840
fees? because the admin fees are between
$1.5 to $2 million and our claims have

1386
01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:29,360
been uh staying kind of consist still
going up every year but pretty

1387
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:34,000
consistently between uh I think the
lowest in the last 5 years was $6.7

1388
01:43:31,440 --> 01:43:38,639
million and just recently we had a $7.7
million claim year and so

1389
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:42,560
» so that's why I'm asking you because you
you put them all in one which is 10

1390
01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:45,520
million 531440
right

1391
01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:49,760
» but do you have the average of like all
of that through the other years meaning

1392
01:43:47,440 --> 01:43:52,719
» we do yes we have all that broken And I
am definitely working through those

1393
01:43:50,960 --> 01:43:56,000
financial um pieces.
>> And the insurance part is pay the

1394
01:43:55,440 --> 01:44:00,719
insure.
>> That $1 million of insurance that is our

1395
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:02,239
um usually our our property and
liability insurance. That's what that

1396
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:06,239
is.
>> Debt services.

1397
01:44:03,600 --> 01:44:09,760
» Debt services payments on the bond. So
essentially that's what that 6 million

1398
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:12,239
is is we had bonded that money and
that's what we owe in the interest.

1399
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,960
» Okay.
>> And and in principal.

1400
01:44:13,679 --> 01:44:19,600
» Okay. And then we're going to get the
interest on it. uh we still as long as

1401
01:44:17,679 --> 01:44:24,000
we maintain that fund balance kind of uh
where it was because if we spend it down

1402
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:27,600
then we won't get as much interest but
we are still anticipating having some of

1403
01:44:25,920 --> 01:44:29,760
that bond money left so there will be
interest in in this in this budget

1404
01:44:29,280 --> 01:44:33,040
figure. Yes.
>> Yeah. Because usually it's about a

1405
01:44:31,119 --> 01:44:36,080
million or million something. So that's
going to help our bottom line. And then

1406
01:44:34,960 --> 01:44:39,119
transfers out.
>> Yep. And then the transfers out those

1407
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:42,800
are operational transfers out where they
just have to be included as line items

1408
01:44:40,800 --> 01:44:47,840
within the budget. It's just moving
money from one fund to another fund. But

1409
01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:50,800
it's not causing us debt. We already
have it in there.

1410
01:44:48,560 --> 01:44:54,000
» It is exactly it's a self-balancing kind
of thing on the balance sheet is what it

1411
01:44:52,080 --> 01:44:57,840
is where you take money out as an
expenditure say from the general fund

1412
01:44:55,840 --> 01:45:01,760
and then you add it as a revenue over in
say the emergency management fund a

1413
01:44:59,760 --> 01:45:05,679
restricted fund. And so payment in there
is counted as a transfer.

1414
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:09,119
» Sorry. So basically is it the restricted
plus others?

1415
01:45:07,679 --> 01:45:13,679
» It can well I mean sometimes it goes
from a restricted to a restricted. For

1416
01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:17,520
example, the unorganized road levy is
its own fund, a 200, but our road and

1417
01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:21,280
bridge fund is the one that the
expenditures come out of the 2011. So,

1418
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:25,920
we're transferring that full amount that
we levy from the 200 into the 2011 that

1419
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:28,239
goes into that $4.5 million for
transfers.

1420
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:32,840
» And those are basically washes. Yes.
Okay. That's what I mean. Okay. Thank

1421
01:45:29,840 --> 01:45:32,840
you.

1422
01:45:33,520 --> 01:45:37,679
» Commissioner Der, you have the floor.
>> Okay. Jordan, go back to your personnel

1423
01:45:36,960 --> 01:45:41,182
if you would.
>> Absolutely. [clears throat]

1424
01:45:42,000 --> 01:45:51,760
So, I know at uh the previous meeting
when we talked about this, we had some

1425
01:45:49,119 --> 01:45:54,960
um open positions. What the average of
open positions were in the county and at

1426
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:57,920
one point in time when that number was
calculated. I believe it was 84 open

1427
01:45:57,040 --> 01:46:01,040
positions
>> at one point in time. Yes, we did have

1428
01:45:59,468 --> 01:46:07,679
[clears throat] 84 positions. I know we
do batch hiring and I think at least my

1429
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:14,400
comments from the dis were you know
looking at those open positions and uh

1430
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:19,199
we might be budgeting for a full year of
a position knowing that it's not going

1431
01:46:16,080 --> 01:46:25,360
to be hired until 60 70% through the
fiscal year. So why would we fund 100%.

1432
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:29,440
And those 84 positions at that point in
time, open positions without all the

1433
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:34,080
taxes and everything else associated to
it was a little about $4.5 million.

1434
01:46:33,528 --> 01:46:38,639
[clears throat]
So we asked, you know, what departments

1435
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:43,360
those would be in, and there was a
discussion about departments looking

1436
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:48,800
internally at those positions that you
have and coming forward. And it's my

1437
01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:53,600
understanding the only one that came
forward with some recommendations uh was

1438
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:57,040
the sheriff.
>> That is correct.

1439
01:46:54,719 --> 01:47:00,880
» So aside from some of these other
calculations

1440
01:46:59,199 --> 01:47:07,600
uh and I know that we're operating at
about 95% and we cut the 4% in those

1441
01:47:04,719 --> 01:47:12,400
major departments looking at the current
end of I think the one I'd looked at

1442
01:47:09,760 --> 01:47:15,760
that you had for the end of June. So
basically halfway through the fiscal

1443
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:19,920
year and looking how personnel is
running across the county that we're

1444
01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:23,840
kind of doing okay even though we made
that 4% cut.

1445
01:47:21,760 --> 01:47:28,000
» So far it does seem like the budgets
especially at that halfway mark were

1446
01:47:25,600 --> 01:47:31,600
very close to 50% of where they should
have been in the salaries and wages

1447
01:47:29,760 --> 01:47:35,920
lines. And so no one seemed to be
running super hot like 62% when we're

1448
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:39,360
half of the year through. And so payroll
luckily is one of those that's fairly

1449
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:43,119
consistent except for specific budgets
where you may have to hire in temporary

1450
01:47:41,199 --> 01:47:46,480
seasonals stuff like that where you will
see a spike in say the summer years or

1451
01:47:44,639 --> 01:47:51,360
during the rally or or stuff like that.
But we're trending on target right now

1452
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:57,040
» because and not only that but when we
budgeted for that we only budgeted step

1453
01:47:53,520 --> 01:48:00,880
increase in the cola and overtime. Yes,
>> we did not budget the shift differential

1454
01:47:58,960 --> 01:48:06,560
pay, all the promotions. And if you go
back and look at the last year, uh so

1455
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:11,679
far in this fiscal year, I mean, there's
we we budgeted one step increase and

1456
01:48:09,760 --> 01:48:17,040
there's been multiple step increases
given across the county costing

1457
01:48:15,040 --> 01:48:20,560
a few hundred,000.
And so the fact that they're still able

1458
01:48:18,719 --> 01:48:25,840
to operate within the personnel budget
even though we didn't budget fully in

1459
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:31,840
addition to uh that cut that we made, I
would still like to see an analysis of

1460
01:48:29,040 --> 01:48:38,800
those departments and where the open
positions have been and look at trying

1461
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:42,880
to gain some of that uh and cutting in
the personnel

1462
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:47,679
uh a little deeper for those open FTEEs
that have not been filled historically.

1463
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:52,920
And the reason I'm saying that, well,
we'll talk about when you get up to your

1464
01:48:49,440 --> 01:48:52,920
insurance presentation.

1465
01:48:54,719 --> 01:49:00,159
» Chair,
>> Commissioner Hadco.

1466
01:48:57,360 --> 01:49:05,360
» So, for me, just tracking the increases.
Um, I talked to Jordan and Kenner about

1467
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:09,840
some of this. Um,
it seems like it's it it's making you're

1468
01:49:08,159 --> 01:49:13,440
showing us a lot of numbers and and I
appreciate that, but we're not

1469
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:18,080
accountants. Um, I know how to do some
of it because you already know I've been

1470
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:21,760
here for a while. Um, other people
probably know some of it, but your

1471
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:27,360
bottom line is is your revenue
expenditures. Um, how much bottom line

1472
01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:32,239
you're going to need,
where you're going to get it from.

1473
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:38,719
That's what our decisions are. Um, if we
want to cut more, if we want to not cut

1474
01:49:34,480 --> 01:49:43,679
more. Um, but it's hard to do that with
not all the revenues and expenditures

1475
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:49,600
and those numbers at a bottom line right
now. So I know you're showing us all

1476
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:53,840
this and I appreciate that, but a lot of
times when you're when you're doing this

1477
01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:58,080
and you have five commissioners, not
everybody's going to understand all the

1478
01:49:55,360 --> 01:50:02,639
budget stuff. It takes you a bit. Um,
but most people understand revenue and

1479
01:50:00,159 --> 01:50:07,440
expenditures, right?
So,

1480
01:50:04,239 --> 01:50:14,239
um I don't the last I heard and we just
talked about it was 46, now it's 49. Um

1481
01:50:10,480 --> 01:50:19,040
I know we need some money for um
um self assured and I get that. I don't

1482
01:50:16,960 --> 01:50:25,920
know what that percentage should be. Um
it looks like from an average it was

1483
01:50:21,199 --> 01:50:34,880
probably 4%. Um I know in 23 it was 6%
and then it was you know at one time 2%

1484
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:41,119
uh one time 10%. Um it'd be nice to know
before we decide at 6% or 2% or or what

1485
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:45,600
these cuts should be all those other
numbers and then you could actually come

1486
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:49,679
to a bottom line for self-insured and
then if you want to make more cuts

1487
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:54,800
looking into people other people's
budgets about and not that I'm against

1488
01:50:51,920 --> 01:51:00,719
that for positions that have been open
two years or a year or whatever or

1489
01:50:58,239 --> 01:51:04,000
making it like Jerry said you know if
you're not going to hire till August,

1490
01:51:02,320 --> 01:51:09,679
you know, that's a big that's a big
difference in your budget um when you've

1491
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:14,639
put it down for all year plus their
benefits and everything else. So, I'm

1492
01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:20,639
getting all that, but I'd like to know
now what's kind of the normal stuff is

1493
01:51:18,639 --> 01:51:26,159
where we're at. I we got provisional and
that's not even close because it's

1494
01:51:22,080 --> 01:51:29,520
changed five times since then. Um but um
you're making a hard time tracking even

1495
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:34,719
as a commissioner where we're going with
it when we don't know the numbers. So if

1496
01:51:32,560 --> 01:51:37,760
we can have some some it doesn't have to
have bottom line numbers but some of

1497
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:41,599
these numbers about how much we're
needing because that's going to make a

1498
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:47,360
huge difference if we're taking gross
CPI stored CPI

1499
01:51:44,560 --> 01:51:52,880
um instead of just cutting a bunch of
services and cutting a bunch of people

1500
01:51:49,199 --> 01:51:56,159
in between. So, um, my bottom line is,
um, show us some numbers. Show us the

1501
01:51:54,560 --> 01:52:00,159
interest. Haven't seen the tiff interest
yet. Maybe we need to get the auditor

1502
01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:04,719
involved in some of this, uh, budget
process because maybe that's going to

1503
01:52:02,159 --> 01:52:08,960
help with those numbers, Jordan. Maybe
you already have had the the auditor

1504
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:12,719
where you had to ask her questions. But
some of those, uh, things might be

1505
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:18,639
easier to run through auditor's office
and then bring back with a with a

1506
01:52:15,360 --> 01:52:23,040
definite amount. So, um, I just keep
seeing them changing and when you're

1507
01:52:21,199 --> 01:52:27,760
trying to run a budget as a department
head and they don't know where they're

1508
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:33,520
going. I mean, we set budget. I get
that. I got we got we set budget, but um

1509
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:37,040
if I'm a department head and I'm only in
a commissioner, this is driving me

1510
01:52:35,599 --> 01:52:42,000
absolutely nuts.
>> Try to figure this out. And this is last

1511
01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:46,159
year I got it. Last year I got it. We
were trying to cut. We needed to get

1512
01:52:43,520 --> 01:52:50,080
that that 8 million down. We got to we
got to be more defined and a little bit

1513
01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:54,400
closer in July. You should almost be
where we need to be. We I understand we

1514
01:52:52,159 --> 01:52:57,520
had a cyber incident stuff, but I had
paper and was still being able to run

1515
01:52:56,000 --> 01:53:03,199
about the same numbers that you guys
came up with. So, um I just like the

1516
01:53:00,960 --> 01:53:08,000
clarification and the stuff. Either we
start earlier on what we're doing or do

1517
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:12,400
something different to end this in
September is about the craziest thing

1518
01:53:10,239 --> 01:53:15,920
I've ever seen. uh trying to get these
numbers and trying to figure it out as

1519
01:53:13,920 --> 01:53:20,639
commissioner uh where I'm going, let
alone uh be up straight as a department

1520
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:24,480
head, you're just I'm pretty sure
they're just freaking them out. Okay,

1521
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:28,320
that's my opinion just by listening to
people and what they're trying to figure

1522
01:53:26,080 --> 01:53:32,719
out on their budgets.
Um it it's and I don't mean as attack or

1523
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:37,520
anything bad on you Jordan because and
and Kenner because you've been good with

1524
01:53:34,719 --> 01:53:42,400
me and and learning all this stuff and
getting through this, but um I don't I

1525
01:53:40,719 --> 01:53:47,599
don't think you need a computer to
figure out some of this stuff. Some of

1526
01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:51,040
it you should actually go, okay, based
on these numbers that we have right now,

1527
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:53,679
we we have to do some more cuts,
department heads, we're going to have to

1528
01:53:52,239 --> 01:53:57,440
look at your two-year, one year. And
Jerry just gave my heads up. I get it,

1529
01:53:55,280 --> 01:54:01,280
but it's September.
So, if we could do it a little bit

1530
01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:04,400
different or maybe get ahead of the game
next year, if it's going to take us

1531
01:54:02,719 --> 01:54:07,119
longer, Jordan, maybe that's what we
need to do. And I'm not against that. I

1532
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:10,000
don't think anybody because you're going
to have two new commissioners.

1533
01:54:09,199 --> 01:54:13,679
» Anybody's [clears throat] going to be
against that. So, by July, we got

1534
01:54:11,760 --> 01:54:18,159
somewhat of an inkling. And then by
August, hopefully hit it, hit the ground

1535
01:54:16,080 --> 01:54:21,760
running, okay, this is what we're doing.
That way, they have more of a heads up

1536
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:26,560
and so do we of how our budget's going
to look. So just just suggestions, not

1537
01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:30,639
like you suck or anything, but that's a
weird word, but yeah. Um, very

1538
01:54:29,520 --> 01:54:33,599
confusing.
>> Getting better though. Thank you,

1539
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:36,480
» Mr. Chair. Commissioner D.
>> Yeah. So, I'm going to make a few

1540
01:54:35,040 --> 01:54:40,480
comments here. This is the same
information in addition to a little bit

1541
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:44,960
more that was presented last year during
the budget and [clears throat]

1542
01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:49,119
it was given nothing but accolades about
how great the information is. First time

1543
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:54,000
we've ever seen it. There was also
comments about we don't want to approve

1544
01:54:51,040 --> 01:54:57,760
a budget and make major changes until
the last meeting because then we don't

1545
01:54:56,239 --> 01:55:02,320
give people time to talk about it. And
that was a comment from a commissioner.

1546
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:08,000
And so as I look at the budget
information, this is all the information

1547
01:55:05,520 --> 01:55:12,880
I'm looking at and it shows if you just
go back to the general fund, it's

1548
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:17,280
showing that we would have to move money
into the general fund of about 5

1549
01:55:15,199 --> 01:55:20,560
million.
So, the total transfers and everything,

1550
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:24,560
getting back to what Commissioner
Hadcock just went through,

1551
01:55:22,774 --> 01:55:28,880
[clears throat] uh, you get down to this
is, you know, this is legislative

1552
01:55:27,040 --> 01:55:33,199
audits, budget accounting. It's not like
we created this. It's how it's got to be

1553
01:55:31,280 --> 01:55:37,679
in the books when the auditor sends the
budget off to the state. And so, you

1554
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:41,760
have to show into those areas. And if
you have a I think you have a breakout

1555
01:55:39,679 --> 01:55:46,239
of applied cash.
>> Uh, yeah, but I don't know if

1556
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:49,360
» by fund. So anyway on this one it's
showing you know where you have to make

1557
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:52,960
transfers and these are all you know
governmental accounting where you have

1558
01:55:50,719 --> 01:55:57,360
to make these transfers and some of
these yes have restricted funds that

1559
01:55:55,119 --> 01:56:01,360
have reserves and you're moving it. It
doesn't mean that we don't have the

1560
01:55:58,719 --> 01:56:05,280
money but it's it's a it's called
applied cash to make that fund balance

1561
01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:11,760
for the expenditures. you have to move
that money and we do have restricted

1562
01:56:07,840 --> 01:56:16,159
funds in the county that do levy and
they have to they have to be supported

1563
01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:19,280
by the general fund and so you have to
make those so if you're levying a

1564
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:24,880
certain amount it doesn't cover what the
expenditures are or the operational

1565
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:31,199
costs then you're moving money out of
the general fund into that fund to make

1566
01:56:27,760 --> 01:56:36,239
it balance and so the one that I think
we need to hone in on is the fact that

1567
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:40,159
the general fund is just shy of
uh supporting itself by about $5

1568
01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:43,599
million. [clears throat]
And when we look at the growth in the

1569
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:49,119
CPI, and I think Jordan's got the
numbers of the growth in the CPI, what

1570
01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:55,360
that would cost of the taxpayers. Last
year, we bank CPI. And I'm not looking

1571
01:56:52,480 --> 01:56:59,360
at uh I don't want to take CPI this
year. I'm looking at just taking growth.

1572
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:04,320
Growth is one of those if you don't
take, you lose that growth forever. But

1573
01:57:01,679 --> 01:57:10,159
uh so I'm looking at the growth and if
you plug those numbers in and Jordan

1574
01:57:06,960 --> 01:57:13,840
could finish his presentation, but
a couple of comments that I have as I go

1575
01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:18,320
through here because I'm looking at the
information and again I'm going to say

1576
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:24,400
that nobody in the county could get into
our financial module for [clears throat]

1577
01:57:20,719 --> 01:57:30,800
nearly six weeks to look at our books
and accounting and uh to run reports and

1578
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:36,480
numbers. So, we were six weeks of not
being able to get into our computers and

1579
01:57:32,800 --> 01:57:41,360
financial modules uh because the system
was down. And so, it's a little bit

1580
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:44,719
different uh you know, in this budget
process.

1581
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:49,679
And you just heard it, you know, this
morning from the treasur and the auditor

1582
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:53,360
trying to, you know, balance the books
across the county and we didn't even

1583
01:57:51,280 --> 01:57:58,320
have, you know, cashiering and and
receding in in the treasur's office. And

1584
01:57:55,440 --> 01:58:02,400
so anyway, I appreciate the information
and the budget information. I, you know,

1585
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:07,440
with what we've had to work with and
trying to get through this, I you know,

1586
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:10,400
it's I I understand it. It's uh and I
appreciate the effort. So,

1587
01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:13,440
» cheer
>> commissioner head.

1588
01:58:11,520 --> 01:58:17,199
» So, I'm not saying what they're doing is
wrong. I'm saying there's a better way

1589
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:20,719
that now that we went through the
learning curve last year and and I

1590
01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:23,520
agreed last year it was good, too,
because we're going through a learning

1591
01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:29,280
curve. We were trying to find stuff out
and we waited till the last time because

1592
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:33,760
you know Jordan Kenner we basically
worked through every day to try to get

1593
01:58:30,719 --> 01:58:37,920
that done. I got it. So then I
understand also our computers went down

1594
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:43,599
but if I can still figure it out on
paper that we're about and I told you I

1595
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:49,040
got like 4 something almost 5 million as
well and that you're coming up with five

1596
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:54,560
million. Um it didn't take me to be a
rocket scientist or accountant to do

1597
01:58:50,719 --> 01:58:58,080
that. Now then you take that 5 million
and then you can have discussions about

1598
01:58:56,480 --> 01:59:02,000
cutting stuff. You don't need a paper
with numbers on it. Then you start with

1599
01:59:00,719 --> 01:59:06,320
your commission because we are the
board. We are the budget and you say

1600
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:10,480
just like we did. We start with library.
We start with all those ones that

1601
01:59:08,000 --> 01:59:15,679
basically you don't want anymore. Okay,
I got it. Or then you look at the ones

1602
01:59:12,719 --> 01:59:21,280
you do want. Then you take those numbers
on or off added to the five or whatever,

1603
01:59:18,880 --> 01:59:25,760
right? Or off. And then you keep
bringing it down. And then you decide,

1604
01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:31,840
okay, you could take CPI and ask the
board, do you want CPI growth and CPI uh

1605
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:37,440
banked, you can put that in there. You
can always take it off later, right?

1606
01:59:33,920 --> 01:59:41,840
Once we decide we do other cuts and then
by those numbers, you have something to

1607
01:59:39,679 --> 01:59:44,400
work with to a certain extent. Then
you're going to add maybe

1608
01:59:42,719 --> 01:59:48,639
self-infunded's going to come in and
you're going to have it's how it works.

1609
01:59:46,560 --> 01:59:54,239
It's a good explanation of how to do a
budget with people that are just making

1610
01:59:50,880 --> 02:00:00,239
decisions on revenues and expenditures,
right? And it simplifies it without me

1611
01:59:57,199 --> 02:00:03,119
having to know all this. And it and it
simplifies it for people coming in. Not

1612
02:00:01,920 --> 02:00:07,599
because you're doing anything wrong.
I'll keep saying that is we can do it a

1613
02:00:05,119 --> 02:00:12,800
little bit better with those numbers and
not seeing all that. just tell us okay

1614
02:00:11,119 --> 02:00:17,280
what I've seen and Jerry will come in
like he said and I'm not against that or

1615
02:00:14,800 --> 02:00:21,520
Ron or whoever and say we have leave we
have other stuff we have to look at this

1616
02:00:18,960 --> 02:00:26,560
so now we're at five okay or we're at
4.9 now [snorts] what do we need to do

1617
02:00:24,400 --> 02:00:30,639
I'd rather have it and I think when
you're when you're commissioners and

1618
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:35,360
maybe I'm wrong um you need to know the
bottom lines and where we're going

1619
02:00:32,960 --> 02:00:40,960
whether it's Jerry wants to cut library
and Debbie wants to cut who knows I

1620
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:47,040
don't I want to got 10 more employees.
So, let's look at that. Um, it's a lot

1621
02:00:44,800 --> 02:00:52,960
simpler than keep going through this and
then continuing to do what?

1622
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:58,800
To figure it out by September, the end
of September. So, just just food for

1623
02:00:56,159 --> 02:01:02,960
thought when you're doing budgets. Um,
it's you're the rocket scientists, you

1624
02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:06,480
and Ter get the numbers and what you're
doing. We are the ones that make final

1625
02:01:04,800 --> 02:01:10,480
decisions. That's that's the bottom
line. Show the expenditures. showed the

1626
02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:14,239
revenues and and then give these guys
that are listening whether it's public

1627
02:01:12,560 --> 02:01:17,599
or otherwise kind of what we're thinking
so they can have a intelligent

1628
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:21,360
conversation about what we're doing to
their budgets or even the public saying

1629
02:01:19,920 --> 02:01:26,320
you guys are kicking butt. Hey don't
take my library whatever. Um leaving it

1630
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:30,080
to the last minute doesn't give a lot of
people and and I like do I like hearing

1631
02:01:28,880 --> 02:01:34,960
what they have to say whether it's
public or or department heads or

1632
02:01:31,760 --> 02:01:39,840
employees um to make a good decision. by
then it's hard for me to make one

1633
02:01:36,639 --> 02:01:44,560
personally because we're we're at the la
the last minutes.

1634
02:01:42,719 --> 02:01:48,480
So, anything we can do a little bit
different to figure those and come up

1635
02:01:46,639 --> 02:01:54,880
with some of that stuff. Like I said, I
can come up with the basics of almost

1636
02:01:50,719 --> 02:01:58,719
4.8 4.9 myself just on paper.
>> Um it seems like we could simplify it

1637
02:01:57,119 --> 02:02:01,520
just a little bit different. And yeah,
I'm not saying you did anything wrong.

1638
02:02:00,239 --> 02:02:06,159
I'm saying we could do a little bit
better just from being in here and

1639
02:02:02,880 --> 02:02:10,080
watching budgets for years. Thank you,
>> Mr. Chair. Could Jordan proceed with

1640
02:02:09,119 --> 02:02:13,119
this presentation?
>> Yep, that's Jordan.

1641
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:16,800
» All right. And actually, I'm going to
enlist the aid of the HR director for

1642
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:21,599
this next one. This is going to be a
quick analysis of our healthcare, the

1643
02:02:18,560 --> 02:02:26,239
2027 kind of initial renewals here. So,
if Melissa would like to come up here,

1644
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:30,800
» Miss Melissa,
>> we've been working together with uh our

1645
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:34,080
Wellmark rep and other other uh people
to try to make sure that we get a better

1646
02:02:32,800 --> 02:02:39,280
picture of kind of where the self-
insurance fund is right now.

1647
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:43,679
» Yeah. And and today is just the uh
formal renewal discussion. You know, we

1648
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:48,960
are just providing the historical
information, enrollment information. So,

1649
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:53,440
no board action is requested today. We
just wanted to give you guys a picture

1650
02:02:50,639 --> 02:02:58,159
of where the fund stands today and some
background and context there. So the the

1651
02:02:56,400 --> 02:03:02,880
plan currently has an average enrollment
of a little over a thousand individuals.

1652
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:08,880
And of that 54%
are employees, 17% are spouses, and 29%

1653
02:03:06,480 --> 02:03:14,960
are dependent. So this will be important
as we evaluate the 2027 renewal. And the

1654
02:03:13,280 --> 02:03:18,560
demographics will also help us
understand the overall size and

1655
02:03:16,400 --> 02:03:23,119
composition of the of the self-
insurance fund we're supporting as we

1656
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:27,679
balance the affordability for employees
and the financial stability of the

1657
02:03:25,280 --> 02:03:29,760
county. So I'm going to hand it off to
Jordan here and talk about the next

1658
02:03:29,440 --> 02:03:34,400
slide.
>> All right. And so as that first slide

1659
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:38,560
showed, we had 1,50 total people on
members on the plan basically. So you

1660
02:03:36,560 --> 02:03:42,080
would think 54% are employees. That
means they would take up 54% of the

1661
02:03:40,320 --> 02:03:46,320
claims paid. As we're learning, it's
actually the employees are taking more,

1662
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:49,520
which is not not always as typical as
what you see in standard plans.

1663
02:03:47,679 --> 02:03:52,719
Typically, we see a lot more of the
spouses hitting the plans than the

1664
02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:56,400
actual employees. But this is a pretty
good utilization, I would say. Um, you

1665
02:03:54,719 --> 02:04:00,560
can see that the spouses, they account
for 17% of the population, but they're

1666
02:03:58,719 --> 02:04:03,840
taking 24% of the claims. That is
something you typically see with these

1667
02:04:02,080 --> 02:04:08,080
health insurance plans. And so, as we
look at all this and we think, okay,

1668
02:04:05,440 --> 02:04:12,560
$3.6 million in six months, that's what
has hit the self- insurance fund. self-

1669
02:04:10,719 --> 02:04:15,199
insurance fund, we would anticipate it
probably be about double that then by

1670
02:04:14,159 --> 02:04:20,639
the end of the year. So, we're looking
at expected claims of approximately $7.2

1671
02:04:17,920 --> 02:04:25,920
million. Um, the average monthly claims
that we'd paid over the past four years

1672
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:29,360
on average again is $561,000 a month.
So, that's every month those claims go

1673
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:32,480
out. We actually pay them weekly and
then there's a monthly settlement at the

1674
02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:35,760
very end of the month to make sure if we
had some credits, they give some back.

1675
02:04:33,840 --> 02:04:39,360
If they had extras, we we pay up and
settle up every month. And so we only

1676
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:43,920
wanted to bring this to your attention
because of the fact that on the next

1677
02:04:40,639 --> 02:04:47,599
slide I'm going to mention that the
industry be best practice recommends

1678
02:04:45,840 --> 02:04:51,280
that an organization of our size
maintains a fund balance equal to six

1679
02:04:49,440 --> 02:04:54,320
months of those actual monthly claims.
And so if we were to take our 4-year

1680
02:04:53,040 --> 02:04:59,599
average, then we're looking at
approximately $3.4 $4 million that we

1681
02:04:56,639 --> 02:05:03,840
want sitting in that fund so that we can
comfortably say even if something went

1682
02:05:01,840 --> 02:05:07,280
wrong, even if we had another cyber
incident that maybe it took out even

1683
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:11,040
more of our computers, we could still
have money in the bank to pay the claims

1684
02:05:08,960 --> 02:05:14,159
for when people go to a provider. We
want to make sure that they're able to

1685
02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:17,199
use their benefits. And so that's
typically what they like to see is about

1686
02:05:15,679 --> 02:05:20,960
6 months because that can usually float
some of those really sharp downward

1687
02:05:19,280 --> 02:05:24,480
turns and then you can build it back up
within time and not have to really freak

1688
02:05:23,119 --> 02:05:27,199
out about, oh no, we're in the negative
balance now. we have to borrow from the

1689
02:05:25,920 --> 02:05:30,000
general fund to try to supplement
things. So this that's just industry

1690
02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:31,520
best standard is what they're
recommending.

1691
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:37,119
» Jordan, I can interrupt you for a
second. This chart will show us from

1692
02:05:33,760 --> 02:05:39,920
2020 2014 to 2025 what that balance was.
Is that correct?

1693
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:43,599
» Essentially, this is the average balance
throughout the whole year. And so the

1694
02:05:41,199 --> 02:05:47,040
starting and the ending are higher and
lower than this, but yes, every year

1695
02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:52,400
this was what our balance was.
>> Okay. So we're at 1.1 now and we really

1696
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:56,719
should be at 3.4.
>> 3.4 is where we're hoping to get to. And

1697
02:05:54,960 --> 02:06:00,159
we understand that that's a pretty big
significant gap. As you can see, one of

1698
02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:04,480
the biggest jumps we had from year to
year was about $600,000 in a really good

1699
02:06:02,880 --> 02:06:08,320
year. And so we know even if we make
drastic changes to the plan, we're

1700
02:06:06,800 --> 02:06:12,159
probably not going to be getting a
million, $2 million in a year, we're

1701
02:06:10,719 --> 02:06:17,040
going to try to build the fund slowly
over a period of Melissa mentioned that

1702
02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:23,119
to me earlier, but going back looking at
2021 to 2023, so two years,

1703
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:26,000
» we did something wrong. It may not have
been that we did something wrong. It

1704
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:29,440
could have been that the utilization
actually was trending a little bit

1705
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:32,400
differently. And so as we look at this
slide right here, we can see that for a

1706
02:06:31,040 --> 02:06:35,040
period we were doing pretty well. We
were building the fund. We were getting

1707
02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:41,440
comfortable with where the balance was
headed. And so from 2014 to 2024, there

1708
02:06:38,560 --> 02:06:44,400
were no increases to premiums. And so
it's possible that as the downward trend

1709
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:46,960
started, they started make the
healthcare trust board was in charge of

1710
02:06:45,599 --> 02:06:50,719
it at the time. and they started making
plan changes to try to mitigate some of

1711
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:53,840
those fund balance decreases because
they were seeing that trend coming back

1712
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:56,960
down and they were trying to take the
corrective actions without necessarily

1713
02:06:55,280 --> 02:07:02,960
passing those costs.
>> This chart shows us the increases in

1714
02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:06,800
that time frame zero and then 23 to 246
24 to 25. Okay.

1715
02:07:04,800 --> 02:07:10,960
» Yep. And so that's when premium started
increasing. Plan changes continued and

1716
02:07:08,880 --> 02:07:14,639
so they started taking corrective action
but it doesn't look like we're trending

1717
02:07:12,639 --> 02:07:18,159
up as well as we'd like to at the
moment. We we'll know more as we finish

1718
02:07:16,320 --> 02:07:21,440
out this year as to whether or not we're
we're still kind of maintaining the

1719
02:07:19,599 --> 02:07:24,880
similar trends as these recent years.
And so we're going to keep an eye on all

1720
02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:28,239
that and keep everyone updated as to
what our recommendations then would be

1721
02:07:26,880 --> 02:07:31,440
just to try to make sure that we have a
healthy fund.

1722
02:07:29,599 --> 02:07:35,840
» Question
you again. Thank you, chair. So the

1723
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:40,639
three to 3.4 million is not for this
year. It's it's to trend back up in the

1724
02:07:38,079 --> 02:07:42,639
next three years to try to get up to
3.4.

1725
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:46,800
» Yes. because we don't feel it's going to
be realistic to try to say let's just

1726
02:07:44,400 --> 02:07:50,639
influx real quick $2.5 million into the
fund one time. We want to make sure that

1727
02:07:48,719 --> 02:07:54,159
the plan and the premiums are supporting
the fund year-over-year because if we

1728
02:07:52,639 --> 02:07:58,719
said okay no increases and we'll just do
a general fund transfer of shoot the the

1729
02:07:56,480 --> 02:08:01,679
5.4 million for the St. Joe Street sale.
We'll just put it all into the self

1730
02:07:59,920 --> 02:08:04,400
insurance fund but we didn't change our
premiums that means we're going to just

1731
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:08,800
keep seeing that downward trend back to
where where we're at right now. And so

1732
02:08:06,480 --> 02:08:12,239
we want to do some more responsible
corrective changes incrementally and try

1733
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:16,320
to get that in a couple of years. And I
think Melissa and I had floated the idea

1734
02:08:13,920 --> 02:08:18,480
maybe 3 to 5 years is a decent enough
goal to try to get us much closer than

1735
02:08:18,000 --> 02:08:22,079
where we're at.
>> I'm thinking about a million this year.

1736
02:08:20,159 --> 02:08:25,840
Is that what you were saying earlier?
>> Well, yes. Um, so the current the the

1737
02:08:24,480 --> 02:08:28,719
current financial figures I've been
working on to try to tweak some of the

1738
02:08:27,360 --> 02:08:32,079
premiums and make sure that it's not too
big of an increase to employees, too big

1739
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:35,440
of an increase to the employer still
could impact the county budget by

1740
02:08:34,000 --> 02:08:38,800
increasing the payments that we would be
making into the fund by about a million

1741
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:42,639
dollars for the county's portion of it.
And then I think it was around a 6 to 7%

1742
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:45,520
increase for employees as I'm currently
running numbers, but none of that is

1743
02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:48,800
finalized. That's all going to be talked
about on the 17th.

1744
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:53,199
» We also can increase some of the
premiums. It doesn't have to be for the

1745
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:58,079
million. You can also put some in on
that from general fund to increase it as

1746
02:08:56,560 --> 02:09:00,719
well which we have done before.
>> Yes. Okay. Those Yeah, those one time

1747
02:08:59,920 --> 02:09:04,000
influxes.
>> Okay. Thank

1748
02:09:02,239 --> 02:09:06,639
» All right. And so the last I don't think
I skipped anything on this that I wanted

1749
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:10,560
to go over. So I think that was pretty
good other than it was interesting just

1750
02:09:08,400 --> 02:09:15,520
from a statistical standpoint is that
72% of our members don't even have

1751
02:09:13,119 --> 02:09:19,280
$2,500 in annual claims. So it's about
that we have 72% of our people not

1752
02:09:17,520 --> 02:09:24,880
really using it that much.
13 individuals account for 34% of our

1753
02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:28,159
claims. And that's uh that's pretty
standard. You see that in in these plans

1754
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:32,800
is that it's always going to be a couple
high utilizations that really drive

1755
02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:36,480
those claims to where they're at. And we
don't want to penalize them for using

1756
02:09:34,960 --> 02:09:40,480
the plan if they need it. That's the big
thing. Um so the last two slides here

1757
02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:44,639
I'm going to throw back to Melissa if
she's willing to talk on the renewal

1758
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:49,760
talking points we've got so far.
>> Yeah. And just from the 2027 renewal,

1759
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:53,920
you know, we we'll look at establishing
a premium structure that's sustainable

1760
02:09:51,679 --> 02:09:57,679
over time. So whether that be over the
course of the next three to five years,

1761
02:09:55,760 --> 02:10:03,360
we don't want to impact the employees
too significantly nor the county. So um

1762
02:10:01,280 --> 02:10:11,040
you could see the Walmart came in at
about 5.75 renewal. Um, so as we look at

1763
02:10:07,679 --> 02:10:15,040
the approach going forward, we'll uh
avoid creating any significant one-year

1764
02:10:13,199 --> 02:10:20,400
financial burden for employees or the
county. Uh, avoid placing an unnecessary

1765
02:10:17,920 --> 02:10:25,199
financial burden for us and then just
really rebuilding that self- insurance

1766
02:10:22,400 --> 02:10:30,159
fund. So, we'll look at different plan
designs this coming year, the 2027, and

1767
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:33,159
contribution structures as we move
forward.

1768
02:10:33,599 --> 02:10:41,840
So today again it's just really to
educate you guys where the plan stands

1769
02:10:38,639 --> 02:10:45,520
today. Uh so no nothing no action from
you guys today. Just wanted to give you

1770
02:10:43,199 --> 02:10:50,880
that information. And then on September
17th we'll bring forward alternative

1771
02:10:48,000 --> 02:10:54,560
plan designs for you guys to review. Uh
employee and employer premium

1772
02:10:52,320 --> 02:11:00,719
contributions what that impact will be
to the county budget. Uh and then any

1773
02:10:57,440 --> 02:11:06,159
impact on employees. and then October uh
6 will be the final approval from you

1774
02:11:03,599 --> 02:11:09,280
guys.
>> Yeah. So, essentially what we're going

1775
02:11:07,520 --> 02:11:12,960
to be looking at at September 17th's
meeting um or if we have any other

1776
02:11:11,280 --> 02:11:16,719
special budget hearing scheduled after
that between that and the 30th is at

1777
02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:20,880
least making sure that we've got enough
money in the budget that we're going to

1778
02:11:18,800 --> 02:11:25,040
be able to handle whatever final
decision the board makes on the plan

1779
02:11:22,560 --> 02:11:28,800
design on October 6th. And we need that
October 6th to be a pretty firm deadline

1780
02:11:27,040 --> 02:11:32,239
because we're starting open enrollment
like a week or two after that. And so we

1781
02:11:31,119 --> 02:11:36,480
need to make sure that we have enough
time to educate the employees as to what

1782
02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:42,800
if any changes were made to the plan
premiums. And so we can separate the two

1783
02:11:39,840 --> 02:11:45,679
sort of in that we can finalize a budget
saying, "Okay, well at least in the

1784
02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:49,199
budget we're comfortable with this
number because we're hoping the

1785
02:11:47,040 --> 02:11:52,639
liability will come in under that." And
then afterwards we can say, "Okay,

1786
02:11:51,199 --> 02:11:56,239
budget's been set." And so we know we've
got all this wiggle room to play with.

1787
02:11:54,400 --> 02:11:59,199
Where is our comfort level on setting
the final attachment points as to what

1788
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:03,360
the county pays, what the employees
play, and and what the plan ends up

1789
02:12:01,199 --> 02:12:09,599
being if that makes sense. Melissa and
Jordan um having this conversation about

1790
02:12:06,639 --> 02:12:15,679
with Wellmark, are they offering up some
options maybe that we introduce uh

1791
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:21,679
health savings plans and maybe have
contributions by the county to actually

1792
02:12:18,480 --> 02:12:26,000
increase like deductibles but yet have
money available tax-free or whatever

1793
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:31,920
that we can offset because sometimes and
I think Commissioner Dur alluded to this

1794
02:12:28,320 --> 02:12:36,960
prior about the benefits of having a a
taxdeductible plan,

1795
02:12:34,719 --> 02:12:40,560
you know, saves money in the long run
because if they're paying So, is that

1796
02:12:39,360 --> 02:12:44,239
something that's on the table with
Walmart? Are we that far along?

1797
02:12:42,560 --> 02:12:48,239
» Yeah, that that is one of the
recommendations we'll have in there is a

1798
02:12:46,480 --> 02:12:50,000
contribution to the HSA.
>> Okay.

1799
02:12:49,199 --> 02:12:52,880
» Okay. Perfect.
>> And for the timeline, Wellar didn't

1800
02:12:51,679 --> 02:12:55,199
promise promise, but they're going to
get as many of these alternates that

1801
02:12:54,079 --> 02:12:58,560
we've asked for by
>> One of the things I noticed was that the

1802
02:12:56,639 --> 02:13:02,880
the lower utilization's not even they're
not even hitting 2500,

1803
02:13:00,159 --> 02:13:07,679
» right? So, I mean, what difference to
them if it would be 5,000 and there was

1804
02:13:05,520 --> 02:13:10,880
a, you know, a provision there somewhere
that there was a a fund that was

1805
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:15,440
available for
>> an HSA that maybe the employer could

1806
02:13:13,840 --> 02:13:19,360
» they could also do
>> a contribution tax-free that would

1807
02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:23,280
actually lower their cost. So, I guess
it's a okay

1808
02:13:20,400 --> 02:13:27,520
» chair commissioner. So I was in the
conversation because we had a department

1809
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:32,560
head meeting with the wellmark lady
who's very good at what she does and she

1810
02:13:29,199 --> 02:13:36,560
did you're right commissioner Wimbach
she offered up a bunch of different

1811
02:13:34,239 --> 02:13:40,480
areas that we can change or those
remember those higher or lower

1812
02:13:38,560 --> 02:13:45,440
deductible people might go higher just
because of what that information we just

1813
02:13:42,320 --> 02:13:49,840
learned like you just said at the 2500
they might raise it up not because of

1814
02:13:47,280 --> 02:13:54,480
the amount but amount that they use it
in the long run. So, um, she was really

1815
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:58,320
good at what she did in the in the
wellmarked presentation, but I'd also

1816
02:13:56,800 --> 02:14:03,520
like to know if any of the department
heads had any, um, information that they

1817
02:14:01,920 --> 02:14:07,040
wanted to share since they've been in
that meeting because that might be a

1818
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:11,440
huge difference for the self-insured as
well. So, maybe if we [snorts] had a

1819
02:14:09,280 --> 02:14:14,079
minute for people to department heads if
they have any interest on the

1820
02:14:12,719 --> 02:14:20,000
self-insured and what they're thinking
on it.

1821
02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:21,840
Thank you. Yeah.
>> Thank you,

1822
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:24,639
» Mr. [clears throat] Chair.
>> Yep. Commissioner,

1823
02:14:22,880 --> 02:14:28,239
» I still have a couple questions for
>> Oh, Melissa Melissa,

1824
02:14:26,719 --> 02:14:31,599
» Commissioner Dur had a couple questions
for you.

1825
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:35,520
» Commissioner Dur, you had the floor,
sir.

1826
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:38,639
So getting back to the funding level and
one of the things we had talked about

1827
02:14:37,760 --> 02:14:42,719
before you [clears throat] got here
earlier in the spring and we looked at

1828
02:14:41,119 --> 02:14:47,119
there were discussions about the
contribution on the county side into the

1829
02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:50,800
fund
and what [clears throat] percent the

1830
02:14:48,320 --> 02:14:56,239
county is paying on the family plan.
Let's just call it a family plan and a

1831
02:14:53,199 --> 02:15:00,320
single plan. And I believe anyway that
we're kind of under the market trend as

1832
02:14:58,639 --> 02:15:03,040
to what the county's contribution would
be on that. So do you have some

1833
02:15:02,079 --> 02:15:07,679
comments?
>> Yeah, we are below the industry

1834
02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:12,320
standards there and I think that is one
of the recommendations, one of the many

1835
02:15:09,920 --> 02:15:16,719
that we'll recommend is increasing that
a little bit so we [clears throat] can

1836
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:21,119
get closer to that. It might not be the
full amount, but maybe even a half a

1837
02:15:18,560 --> 02:15:24,400
percent closer to that each year. We
could look at that, but that's that's

1838
02:15:22,639 --> 02:15:28,719
one of the goals is to get closer to the
industry.

1839
02:15:25,440 --> 02:15:32,719
» Okay? Because if we and again if we were
to move the county's contribution up

1840
02:15:31,040 --> 02:15:36,960
when we're talking about the dollars
that need to be collected to put into

1841
02:15:34,320 --> 02:15:40,960
that fund. So if we're talking about
let's just say a 6% increase then we

1842
02:15:39,199 --> 02:15:44,480
could absorb some of that and offset
that to the employees and not have that

1843
02:15:43,199 --> 02:15:49,599
all fall onto them.
>> Right.

1844
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:53,360
» Okay. And then um last year and I've
mentioned it a couple times and I did

1845
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:57,760
talk to the HR staff, you know, was
discussed at a meeting here prior to you

1846
02:15:55,040 --> 02:16:02,400
getting hired, but I wanted to look at
uh Delta Dental. And so currently we

1847
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:08,960
have a $1,000 deductible on Delta
Dental. And um I'd ask them to reach out

1848
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:15,119
to Delta to see I'm curious what the
utilization of the plan is and uh to

1849
02:16:12,480 --> 02:16:19,520
look at having that out-of- pocket max
go not the deductible but the out-of-

1850
02:16:17,040 --> 02:16:24,000
pocket max go from a,000 to 2,000 what
that would cost.

1851
02:16:21,440 --> 02:16:28,400
And then there was a question I also had
about our life insurance. if we

1852
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:32,880
increased what the county uh the dollar
amount increased our life insurance

1853
02:16:30,079 --> 02:16:38,240
currently I think is 10
and a lot of entities have a base plan

1854
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:42,080
of 50
>> okay

1855
02:16:39,120 --> 02:16:45,439
» and so and my comment about Delta Dental
is [clears throat]

1856
02:16:43,840 --> 02:16:48,880
when you get your renewal rate and then
again years of service you kind of get

1857
02:16:47,040 --> 02:16:53,359
locked in and so you're not absorbing a
whole increase but uh when you have the

1858
02:16:51,519 --> 02:16:57,359
market trend and you're at a high
utilization at market trend and and then

1859
02:16:55,920 --> 02:17:01,654
you can raise that out-of- pocket
maximum up a little bit which a lot of

1860
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:04,880
the times doesn't cost a lot
[clears throat] but when you go to get

1861
02:17:02,559 --> 02:17:09,040
your renewal uh you know you're not
hitting that market trend and so you're

1862
02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:13,200
getting a better renewal rate and it's a
little different than our you know it's

1863
02:17:11,040 --> 02:17:15,679
basically fully funded you know we're
only paying what they we're not managing

1864
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:17,760
it
>> right

1865
02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:21,840
» like the self- insurance fund but a
couple of those things I'm just curious

1866
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:26,880
on the Delta Dentl what our utilization
is what the $1,000 out of pocket and

1867
02:17:24,160 --> 02:17:30,719
what it look like uh to double that.
>> I do have the utilization breakdown. I

1868
02:17:29,120 --> 02:17:32,479
can get that to you. Get that to
everybody.

1869
02:17:31,120 --> 02:17:37,120
» Yeah, I think it would be good just for
the board to see what the utilization is

1870
02:17:34,559 --> 02:17:41,519
just like this one to see a breakout of
the utilization and how close we are to

1871
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:46,719
market trend. And that's one thing that
I noticed when I came on the commission

1872
02:17:43,599 --> 02:17:51,040
that the county share is kind of lower
than a lot of other counties and

1873
02:17:48,240 --> 02:17:54,399
municipalities on the percentage that
we're paying of those plans.

1874
02:17:52,960 --> 02:17:58,639
» Okay.
And if I

1875
02:17:55,519 --> 02:18:04,160
» just just one thing, Jordan, it's in the
budgets. So how much is this changing

1876
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:08,319
the budgets once you change the the
plans? Is it a big difference? That's

1877
02:18:06,800 --> 02:18:12,240
why I'm saying I hear you. That's going
to be another effect that you're going

1878
02:18:10,080 --> 02:18:17,200
to have to change for department heads
that it's hard to do

1879
02:18:15,120 --> 02:18:21,840
in a month or two weeks whenever when we
do our changes and how much are those

1880
02:18:18,719 --> 02:18:26,080
changes and maybe it's not but um
because you're not going to find out

1881
02:18:22,800 --> 02:18:29,519
till October 6th. So there's nothing you
could do about that Jordan but just food

1882
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:33,439
for thought for department heads or
otherwise there's another area that

1883
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:38,880
that's going to change our budgets for
27 either good bad or ugly.

1884
02:18:37,439 --> 02:18:42,240
Uh yeah, sorry. I just wanted to give
additional information on Commissioner

1885
02:18:40,319 --> 02:18:45,679
Dur's points there because Melissa did
look up some of the Bureau of Labor

1886
02:18:43,840 --> 02:18:49,920
Statistics information on employer
versus employee paid in the percentages

1887
02:18:47,439 --> 02:18:53,519
there. And what we found is that
industry standard, especially for local

1888
02:18:51,679 --> 02:18:59,120
governmental agencies, the employer
typically pays between 85 to 90% of an

1889
02:18:56,240 --> 02:19:05,359
employeeonly plan and between 75 and 80%
of a family plan. And for reference, we

1890
02:19:02,160 --> 02:19:12,960
currently in 2026 are paying roughly
about 83% so of the single plan and all

1891
02:19:09,760 --> 02:19:17,280
about 65 a.5% for the family plan. So
we're under potentially even 10% on a

1892
02:19:14,960 --> 02:19:23,800
family plan if we were going off of this
bureau BLS um statistics on employer

1893
02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:23,800
employee pays.

1894
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:33,719
» Yeah. Yeah, and thank you Melissa for
providing that information. That was

1895
02:19:34,080 --> 02:19:38,880
» Anything else on that?
>> Okay, so that's all I had really to say.

1896
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:41,519
» Thank you.
>> That's the doom and gloom for the

1897
02:19:40,080 --> 02:19:44,000
healthcare plan. No, it should be all
right. We're just going to make sure

1898
02:19:42,399 --> 02:19:49,439
that we're uh keeping an eye on it.
>> No doom and gloom here, brother. So,

1899
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:51,920
let's uh go move on, Jordan.
>> All right. And then the other

1900
02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:55,120
presentation I've got here was requested
by Commissioner Hadcock. She just wanted

1901
02:19:53,520 --> 02:19:57,920
to see a little bit of a breakdown in
our revenues. There's not a whole lot

1902
02:19:56,800 --> 02:20:00,960
here that I need to go through because
the uh the numbers are pretty much

1903
02:19:59,200 --> 02:20:04,800
self-evident here. This kind of gives us
just a breakdown of where our means of

1904
02:20:03,359 --> 02:20:09,439
finance come through, what our revenues
all go into. And so, as we talked about,

1905
02:20:08,000 --> 02:20:13,359
um Commissioner Hadcock rightfully
asked, hey, those other financing

1906
02:20:11,040 --> 02:20:17,120
sources, you see 4.7 in there. What all
is that? That's the revenue side of

1907
02:20:15,200 --> 02:20:20,160
those operating transfers. And so, that
is once again just one of those numbers

1908
02:20:18,479 --> 02:20:25,040
that gets added to the total. So, when
we look at that grand total of $137

1909
02:20:22,800 --> 02:20:27,920
million, that's the means of finance.
That's not our revenues really because

1910
02:20:26,560 --> 02:20:31,200
we're also then saying, well, cash
balance applied is going to be 9 million

1911
02:20:29,439 --> 02:20:35,040
of that. And then we've got our other
financing sources which are just

1912
02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:38,319
transfers within the county's budget but
from a restricted fund or a

1913
02:20:36,399 --> 02:20:40,960
non-restricted fund to a different fund.
And so some of that information is a

1914
02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:47,200
little bit double tapped there. But as
you can see, you could take down that

1915
02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:51,439
137 by 13.7 million. And so you're much
much closer to roughly about 125 million

1916
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:56,560
is what I'd say in revenues that we
currently have on the books. Um, and

1917
02:20:54,560 --> 02:21:02,240
then I wanted to give a quick snapshot
of the top 10 line items. Number 10 is

1918
02:21:00,640 --> 02:21:08,319
federal PIL dollars that we get 2
million on that. Number nine is the 911

1919
02:21:04,960 --> 02:21:12,720
remittances. That's our um money from
state, right? Yeah. And the uh the feds

1920
02:21:10,319 --> 02:21:16,720
on our 911 stuff. Uh but you can see
here property tax and this included

1921
02:21:14,640 --> 02:21:20,479
everything. Property tax really is our
number one and our number two. But then

1922
02:21:18,240 --> 02:21:25,120
we start to see other other sources of
income um other sources of revenue start

1923
02:21:23,280 --> 02:21:29,359
to plug in some of those gaps because
sure 51 million is all going into the

1924
02:21:27,200 --> 02:21:33,920
general fund for our tax levy but then
as we look even motor vehicle you got

1925
02:21:31,280 --> 02:21:38,319
3.7 for some of that stuff 3.6 for the
wheel tax the local government highway

1926
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:43,840
bridge 2.9. So millions of dollars are
not necessarily property tax and that's

1927
02:21:40,960 --> 02:21:48,319
what's definitely supporting our budget.
And so you can see current property tax

1928
02:21:45,520 --> 02:21:52,560
is sitting at 63.3. But then as we look
our charges for goods and services is 33

1929
02:21:50,479 --> 02:21:55,359
million and any intergovernmental
revenue which is where that tilt stuff

1930
02:21:53,920 --> 02:21:59,040
would fall or any other agreements we
have with cities and and counties town.

1931
02:21:57,200 --> 02:22:02,800
» Jordan, can you take a minute to explain
cash balance supplied?

1932
02:22:00,640 --> 02:22:07,439
» Sure. The cash balance applied is a
number that we have to do in order to

1933
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:11,359
ensure that all of our our uh funds are
in the positive. So basically, if we've

1934
02:22:10,080 --> 02:22:14,800
got expenditures that are exceeding
revenues within a specific fund, you

1935
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:19,200
have to apply a balance of cash. Some of
that is fund balance, we can call them

1936
02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:23,920
kind of for for for thought purposes
reserves is that they've been sitting on

1937
02:22:21,200 --> 02:22:28,319
this fund balance saving up for usually
specific purposes and now they're going

1938
02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:32,319
to be spending from those funds to get
down to uh you know the their balanced

1939
02:22:30,720 --> 02:22:36,000
budget where it's not necessarily the
revenues are meeting the expenditures.

1940
02:22:34,240 --> 02:22:39,600
It's that the revenues plus whatever
fund balance we're trying to apply, the

1941
02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:43,760
cash balance applied to the budget will
meet what our our budgeted expenditures

1942
02:22:41,520 --> 02:22:46,160
are. And so half of that is going to be
well a little bit more than half of that

1943
02:22:44,960 --> 02:22:49,680
is going to be from the general fund
though and that's not a restricted fund.

1944
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:53,359
That is coming from the general fund
reserves to balance the current

1945
02:22:51,359 --> 02:22:55,600
anticipated appropriations which are
>> you're saying that number is roughly

1946
02:22:54,560 --> 02:22:59,200
four and a half.
>> It's about four 4.8 is where we're

1947
02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:02,160
looking right now. So a little bit more
than half.

1948
02:23:00,399 --> 02:23:08,000
» And then that takes the reserve to what
percent? That would take it down to I

1949
02:23:04,800 --> 02:23:11,520
had that sheet open just a second ago.
>> Tony.

1950
02:23:09,680 --> 02:23:15,840
» Yeah. And if again the numbers I'm
mentioning here do not include that 5.4

1951
02:23:14,000 --> 02:23:20,240
million for the St. Joe Street building.
That's that's not included here. I have

1952
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:24,080
those figures ready somewhere but uh
they were not included when we were

1953
02:23:21,520 --> 02:23:31,439
preparing these numbers. Um so we're
looking at a 26% basically um reserve

1954
02:23:28,960 --> 02:23:35,200
balance. what what our target is.
>> The target has historically been between

1955
02:23:33,439 --> 02:23:38,880
20 and 25 is where the board has kind of
set it. That's that's just generally

1956
02:23:36,640 --> 02:23:44,240
where we feel comfortable um as a
county. And so I think yeah, last year I

1957
02:23:41,439 --> 02:23:47,920
believe the board made a a goal I should
say, not a motion, they made a goal to

1958
02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:53,520
say let's keep that around that 25%.
>> And then we haven't um I think it the um

1959
02:23:51,680 --> 02:23:56,000
growth and the CPI were brought up. Is
that something that's going to be coming

1960
02:23:54,479 --> 02:24:00,080
up in your presentation here?
>> Uh no. Oh yes, it was actually. And yep,

1961
02:23:58,479 --> 02:24:06,399
that was in the revenue presentation.
That is correct. Um, and so we did not

1962
02:24:03,439 --> 02:24:10,960
incorporate growth or CPI or bankked CPI
into the numbers we have presented here

1963
02:24:08,560 --> 02:24:16,080
on those appendixes. So all of that is
potential additional revenue that you

1964
02:24:13,359 --> 02:24:20,640
could add into our budget calculations
and and then that would offset some of

1965
02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:24,000
that cash balance applied. So as we look
at our levy options here, the

1966
02:24:22,000 --> 02:24:29,680
provisionally approved revenue was
current 2026 year. So that's that's the

1967
02:24:27,200 --> 02:24:33,840
the current 26 we just rolled over to
the provisionally approved 2027 budget.

1968
02:24:32,319 --> 02:24:37,760
However, you can take obviously any
increases or decreases the board wants

1969
02:24:35,439 --> 02:24:40,880
to look at as from our preliminary
numbers and these were a little bit

1970
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:44,319
tough to get because I know that
equalization and auditor's office

1971
02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:47,760
haven't had access to real estate data
for getting all these total valuations

1972
02:24:45,840 --> 02:24:51,120
until very recently. So we're still
working on making sure these are as

1973
02:24:49,280 --> 02:24:54,720
accurate as possible before we you know
finalize this. But what we were seeing

1974
02:24:52,960 --> 02:24:58,319
is that the average growth throughout
all the categories within the county is

1975
02:24:56,479 --> 02:25:03,200
almost 2%. And so that would be a
potential $1.2 million increase to

1976
02:25:00,800 --> 02:25:07,680
revenues. And then our CPI for this
year, as we know, is 2.5%. And then we

1977
02:25:05,359 --> 02:25:10,560
did bank our CPI from last year, didn't
spend it, and we can hold that for up to

1978
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:16,000
three years. So this would be year
number two for that bank CPI of 2.9%.

1979
02:25:14,319 --> 02:25:20,399
» And the other question I had, is there
any tiffs that are rolling off here that

1980
02:25:17,680 --> 02:25:22,880
are any of any significance? I asked the
auditor and she was not aware of

1981
02:25:21,760 --> 02:25:25,920
anything that was going to really
significantly hit our books. And so

1982
02:25:24,800 --> 02:25:27,840
we're not we're not certain that there's
going to be

1983
02:25:26,319 --> 02:25:31,200
» that number is not considered in the
growth then

1984
02:25:28,640 --> 02:25:34,720
» it is not no
or unless they were scheduled to be paid

1985
02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:37,040
off if if it was like oh it's an early
paid off tiff and now they're going to

1986
02:25:35,840 --> 02:25:42,319
hit the books. That is not something
that calculated

1987
02:25:39,120 --> 02:25:46,080
» if we it would I think it would do
detrimental harm if we didn't take the

1988
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:48,640
growth
>> because you can't get the growth back.

1989
02:25:47,359 --> 02:25:52,399
if you don't take the growth
>> just for the fact that that's you know

1990
02:25:50,640 --> 02:25:55,280
factored into what's happening on a
daily basis but uh so

1991
02:25:54,399 --> 02:25:58,720
» so chair
>> yes commissioner hack

1992
02:25:56,640 --> 02:26:02,560
» so it'd be nice to know what the levies
are once you do the increase if you take

1993
02:26:00,640 --> 02:26:07,200
growth only only what is the increase
what is the growth in CPI meaning if you

1994
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:11,439
took it
um and brought down that 4.8 eight more.

1995
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:14,560
It'd be nice to know what the levy or
what the taxpayer is paying because I

1996
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:16,880
know the increase is not what the levy
is. We talked about that yesterday,

1997
02:26:16,399 --> 02:26:20,720
Jordan.
>> Yes.

1998
02:26:17,520 --> 02:26:25,760
» Um just because
if it's $4 increase, is it a $10

1999
02:26:23,840 --> 02:26:30,399
increase with that levy? That's going to
be a huge difference. Um number two, you

2000
02:26:28,640 --> 02:26:34,880
got to remember we provide services for
Pennington County. So, um I'm not

2001
02:26:33,120 --> 02:26:41,200
against taking some of that. And I think
for banked, why are you banking it for a

2002
02:26:36,960 --> 02:26:46,240
certain amount? Um and for why um that's
going to be a huge difference for me for

2003
02:26:42,880 --> 02:26:50,720
me as well. um we can only cut people so
much and I get that and we had the

2004
02:26:48,319 --> 02:26:54,720
departments do their 4% like I said if
you have the two-year people that have

2005
02:26:52,479 --> 02:26:59,120
been not used or one year whatever that
might make a difference plus it might

2006
02:26:56,720 --> 02:27:03,600
change um working with the uh
departments when they don't have to you

2007
02:27:01,520 --> 02:27:07,840
know put in all the money for the whole
year like Jerry said for so some of

2008
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:14,479
that's going to bring it down naturally
anyway meaning it's going to make those

2009
02:27:10,960 --> 02:27:19,040
increases a lot higher but Then wife and
Bach had brought up as well the leave

2010
02:27:16,479 --> 02:27:24,479
and certain things. Um they used to
include that in on their totals which

2011
02:27:22,720 --> 02:27:30,160
made sense but if they didn't leave that
year I get it but you also can't dump

2012
02:27:27,920 --> 02:27:36,160
you know depending on which department
you're talking about um 500,000 on a

2013
02:27:33,760 --> 02:27:39,840
department. So I don't know how you
balance that out for a department. I

2014
02:27:38,319 --> 02:27:46,479
don't know how we balance it out if we
put it in um

2015
02:27:42,399 --> 02:27:51,520
you know what do we call it contingency
>> but um it has to be put in there um like

2016
02:27:50,080 --> 02:27:55,600
I said they put it in there before and
maybe some of that's why some of those

2017
02:27:53,040 --> 02:28:00,399
were higher maybe the cash turn back is
is huge it'd be nice to see the average

2018
02:27:58,240 --> 02:28:05,359
of the turnbacks
being from before and then hitting 26

2019
02:28:03,359 --> 02:28:09,040
remember when we changed things to see
if those difference why you do that and

2020
02:28:07,520 --> 02:28:13,120
you Know I I talked about that
yesterday. When you're doing a budget

2021
02:28:10,399 --> 02:28:17,200
and you you do comparables, you start
seeing the anomalies or you start seeing

2022
02:28:14,880 --> 02:28:20,319
the areas where it makes a huge
difference, the leaves, the different

2023
02:28:18,479 --> 02:28:23,520
things where we're taking out and then
we come and say we're just going to do

2024
02:28:21,760 --> 02:28:27,760
contingency and they don't have it in
their budgets. What's that going to do?

2025
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:32,080
» So you got to have you got to look at
all those pieces and parts and then

2026
02:28:29,680 --> 02:28:38,000
understand their part in one sense and
do we take that out and put it of their

2027
02:28:33,920 --> 02:28:41,680
budgets and put it in contingency. Um,
I'm getting where everybody's going on

2028
02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:46,560
some of their stuff, but the bottom line
is if you're not doing the comparables

2029
02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:51,840
and you're not looking, you're guessing
on some of this stuff and that's not

2030
02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:55,840
your fault as well, but um
it it's it'll be easier to track by the

2031
02:28:54,160 --> 02:29:02,399
turnbacks. How about that? Of every
year. Like how much did you have of

2032
02:28:58,160 --> 02:29:07,120
January 1st, 2027? Did we have 3,647
this year? Did we have 2,200 the year

2033
02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:10,880
before? Because if the average starts
being a certain amount, then you're

2034
02:29:08,640 --> 02:29:14,240
going to see why uh the leaves and the
different stuff weren't taken out

2035
02:29:12,240 --> 02:29:19,600
before. Should they be told? Should they
be acred as you say for revenues and

2036
02:29:17,120 --> 02:29:25,040
expenditures? I get all that. But the
bottom line is is where where is that

2037
02:29:22,800 --> 02:29:30,080
money coming from? And if you drain
everybody to a certain extent as well

2038
02:29:26,960 --> 02:29:34,319
where we don't have an alternative area,
what also does that do to our reserves?

2039
02:29:32,560 --> 02:29:37,680
So, all of those are big concerns
because I'm I'm hearing a lot of really

2040
02:29:36,319 --> 02:29:42,479
good things that are coming out that
we're finding that we need to acrew for.

2041
02:29:40,399 --> 02:29:48,640
But I also understand that we're taking
a lot of that stuff out of those budgets

2042
02:29:45,680 --> 02:29:52,720
like um um restricted unrestricted be
unrestricted and also taking like wife

2043
02:29:51,439 --> 02:29:56,319
and buck said on some of those leaves
and stuff. We took those out of their

2044
02:29:53,920 --> 02:30:00,800
budgets if I'm correct as well. So,
where's that all coming from and how are

2045
02:29:58,240 --> 02:30:04,479
we making that up? So, you're doing
good, Jordan. And like I said, I I'm not

2046
02:30:03,439 --> 02:30:07,600
saying you're doing anything wrong.
There just a lot of things for you to

2047
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:12,399
think about and there's a lot of things
for us to know which I have not since

2048
02:30:10,560 --> 02:30:15,600
I've been here known as much since you
and Ker have brought some of this

2049
02:30:13,760 --> 02:30:19,840
forward. So, I appreciate that as well.
Thank you,

2050
02:30:18,479 --> 02:30:23,200
» Mr. Chair.
>> Yes. [clears throat]

2051
02:30:20,800 --> 02:30:27,319
» Jordan, did you have some more slides? I
looked at him yesterday, but

2052
02:30:28,640 --> 02:30:35,560
» oops, that was the wrong button.
Not on that one.

2053
02:30:35,840 --> 02:30:42,560
Was there one in particular that you
recall that you want to see?

2054
02:30:41,040 --> 02:30:44,720
Because we did have other graphs. We had
other tables. We had a lot of other

2055
02:30:44,000 --> 02:30:49,200
rollups.
>> Yeah. About the overall budget, I

2056
02:30:46,399 --> 02:30:53,000
believe,
>> because this is one

2057
02:30:56,134 --> 02:31:01,520
» [clears throat]
>> And Mr. Chair, while he's looking for

2058
02:30:59,680 --> 02:31:05,840
that, I've got a question for the
sheriff.

2059
02:31:02,560 --> 02:31:10,599
» Yes, Mr. Brian.
>> Mr. Brian.

2060
02:31:06,720 --> 02:31:10,599
» Brian. Mr. Sheriff. [clears throat]

2061
02:31:12,319 --> 02:31:16,760
» Mr. Dur has a question for you, sir.

2062
02:31:17,040 --> 02:31:24,000
» Good. Good. Yeah. Still morning.
So,

2063
02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:27,680
so Brian, I appreciate you coming
forward, you know, during this budget

2064
02:31:25,840 --> 02:31:33,200
process and looking internally in your
department and looking for ways to find

2065
02:31:29,760 --> 02:31:37,600
some savings and u
um making some of those changes to get

2066
02:31:35,840 --> 02:31:42,960
us the information to show where some of
those cuts could be made. Um, the one

2067
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:49,439
I'm looking at specifically relates to
HR. And I see throughout your public

2068
02:31:46,960 --> 02:31:53,280
safety budgets, I believe JSC, the jail,
and the sheriff's office, you have

2069
02:31:51,520 --> 02:31:58,240
136,000
in a line item that says HR.

2070
02:31:55,920 --> 02:32:05,680
» Yep. And that's that is the line item
for um our background investigations and

2071
02:32:02,399 --> 02:32:09,439
job recruitment specifically. And uh
we're we're looking at refining that

2072
02:32:07,600 --> 02:32:13,840
number. and I talked about it the last
the at the last budget meeting on

2073
02:32:11,439 --> 02:32:17,520
reducing that uh the background portion
of that down a little bit. So,

2074
02:32:15,439 --> 02:32:21,439
» good. And then the other thing that I
would I mean for me kind of getting back

2075
02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:26,319
to the kind of accounting and seeing
where the money is going if it's coming

2076
02:32:23,600 --> 02:32:32,240
down to recruiting and HR type stuff, I
would like to see those dollars in the

2077
02:32:28,319 --> 02:32:36,160
HR budget. That's my comments that so if
we're doing recruiting and personnel

2078
02:32:34,000 --> 02:32:42,000
stuff that's being done by the HR office
now and we do have marketing that

2079
02:32:39,920 --> 02:32:46,000
um to try to get a true understanding as
to what the expenditures are for HR

2080
02:32:44,000 --> 02:32:50,080
related matters since we don't do
billbacks except for the highway

2081
02:32:47,520 --> 02:32:54,640
department
but to look at some of those anyways

2082
02:32:53,120 --> 02:32:58,560
just a comment if you could visit with
Melissa to make sure that we're pulling

2083
02:32:56,960 --> 02:33:02,479
out of the appropriate budget for some
of that recruiting

2084
02:32:59,920 --> 02:33:06,720
And since we do have marketing and we
have a new structure in HR that we're

2085
02:33:04,399 --> 02:33:10,319
not duplicating services.
>> Yep. And and I've been visiting with

2086
02:33:08,560 --> 02:33:13,200
Cody too and we're looking at
consolidating some things that we

2087
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:17,439
previously were taking out to third
parties this year and that should be a

2088
02:33:15,280 --> 02:33:20,240
cost savings a little bit next year too.
>> Okay. Thanks.

2089
02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:23,840
» Y thanks.
>> Thank you. Mr. Brian,

2090
02:33:22,319 --> 02:33:25,040
» was this the one you were commission?
>> I know Jordan.

2091
02:33:24,560 --> 02:33:26,800
» No.
>> No.

2092
02:33:25,359 --> 02:33:27,680
» You had some other slides. It's all
right.

2093
02:33:27,280 --> 02:33:31,439
» Um
>> and I Mr. chair. Y

2094
02:33:29,600 --> 02:33:35,760
» I've just got a couple of notes that
I've made when I looked at this budget

2095
02:33:33,840 --> 02:33:39,600
new information yesterday that came up
and I know that we'd looked at outside

2096
02:33:37,920 --> 02:33:44,720
agencies
and we made some cuts last year to say

2097
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:49,359
that we were going to be moving forward,
you know, two to three years down the

2098
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:53,920
road to try to get to a balanced budget.
And then if you look at some of those

2099
02:33:51,760 --> 02:33:57,680
decisions, I think we added over the
provisional budget, we're close to

2100
02:33:55,760 --> 02:34:02,080
600,000 over what we had for
provisional.

2101
02:33:59,280 --> 02:34:07,840
Uh yeah, that's the one. They're one of
those. Anyway, and I know that it's a a

2102
02:34:05,600 --> 02:34:14,960
work in progress and I we had a
discussion with a couple of departments

2103
02:34:09,439 --> 02:34:19,840
about vehicles and uh um
before outside of public safety, but any

2104
02:34:17,359 --> 02:34:24,479
other department that's got vehicle
purchases for 27, I would like to see

2105
02:34:22,160 --> 02:34:29,600
those, this is me, I would like to see
those put on hold until we get a handle

2106
02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:36,160
on our fleet management. Uh that's a
comment. And then the vacant positions.

2107
02:34:33,600 --> 02:34:40,800
Uh we've talked about this, but we've
had an average of over 50 vacant

2108
02:34:38,640 --> 02:34:45,760
positions for many years. Even though we
made that 4% cut in personnel,

2109
02:34:44,160 --> 02:34:50,560
uh I would like to see if we could
absorb some of those cost on that

2110
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:55,040
because I would like to look for the
areas where we actually have it in the

2111
02:34:52,960 --> 02:34:58,640
budget, but we are pretty confident
we're not going to spend it. But if

2112
02:34:56,560 --> 02:35:02,000
we're allocating those dollars, and
let's just say we're allocating a

2113
02:35:00,160 --> 02:35:05,840
million dollars on expenditures that we
know that we're not going to expend,

2114
02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:11,040
that's a million dollars that we can't
fund other things that would be a

2115
02:35:07,840 --> 02:35:14,399
priority for the county. Uh to include,
you know, looking at our self- insurance

2116
02:35:12,560 --> 02:35:18,240
fund and trying to get that stabilized
and back up and looking at those cost

2117
02:35:16,080 --> 02:35:24,800
share with the employees.
Uh, and there [clears throat] is if you

2118
02:35:22,560 --> 02:35:29,600
go back into the five-year history of
the budgets that's in here. So, if you

2119
02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:33,920
go if you look at those slides that show
five years of budget and actual

2120
02:35:32,399 --> 02:35:39,760
expenditures,
you can look at

2121
02:35:36,240 --> 02:35:43,840
uh some of those and see where we've
been budgeting across the county tens of

2122
02:35:42,399 --> 02:35:47,439
thousands of dollars. Well, it's
actually hundreds of thousands of

2123
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:52,720
dollars that have been unspent in some
of those line items. And we did make a

2124
02:35:50,399 --> 02:35:58,080
change last year we where we upped the
county's contingency from 100,000 to a

2125
02:35:55,359 --> 02:36:02,399
half a million and basically kind of
using that as our little savings if

2126
02:36:00,240 --> 02:36:08,399
something came up that we would do that.
And a comment, one of them gets back to

2127
02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:12,479
title three funds. And Scott, you were
not here at the last commission meeting

2128
02:36:09,920 --> 02:36:16,720
when we talked about title three. You
want to come forward, Scott, or

2129
02:36:15,040 --> 02:36:20,720
» because I'm not sure that we've made a
decision on that. Have we moved that or

2130
02:36:18,640 --> 02:36:24,800
not?
>> Yeah. I mean, you definitely moved from

2131
02:36:23,040 --> 02:36:28,000
the
the sheriff's portion of the search and

2132
02:36:26,319 --> 02:36:32,399
rescue and you increased the search and
rescue budget. Uh, and so that leaves

2133
02:36:30,720 --> 02:36:33,680
title three. Um,
>> all right.

2134
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:39,520
» Open.
>> Okay. And so those funds and just brief

2135
02:36:37,680 --> 02:36:42,479
us on your kind you weren't here but we
read your memorandum but what you're

2136
02:36:40,960 --> 02:36:48,240
going to do with those funds.
>> Yes. Uh Scott Guffy Pankton County

2137
02:36:44,399 --> 02:36:53,760
natural resource director. Uh we were uh
working with the Forest Service to do

2138
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:58,640
some fuels work um um with that money
which is allowable and that would

2139
02:36:56,000 --> 02:37:02,960
basically save salaries in ours so we
could run our salaries through that

2140
02:36:59,840 --> 02:37:08,000
title three dollars. Um, I think there's
a little over $73,000 in there. Uh, I'd

2141
02:37:06,240 --> 02:37:12,560
like to spread it over two years. So,
40,000 this year and then the remainder

2142
02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:16,000
next year. Uh, and then we can we can
put that into one agreement with the

2143
02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:22,560
Forest Service. Forest service will
match that 20%. So, we'll actually make

2144
02:37:18,880 --> 02:37:27,680
a little money on that too back to us.
And we've been working uh looking at

2145
02:37:24,720 --> 02:37:31,040
areas to you to use it in. Uh the NEPA
is kind of the big thing kind of that

2146
02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:33,200
hold up but a lot of stuff that they
have covered in NEPA we can hit it right

2147
02:37:32,960 --> 02:37:35,040
away.
>> Does that make sense to you Jordan?

2148
02:37:34,640 --> 02:37:36,399
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

2149
02:37:36,000 --> 02:37:38,560
» And then
>> and it just have to be spread through

2150
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:43,680
the salary lineup
>> and then the uh the areas there where we

2151
02:37:41,280 --> 02:37:48,160
had all these
um that Commissioner Dur was talking

2152
02:37:45,200 --> 02:37:51,280
about that we don't use those monies.
>> Right.

2153
02:37:48,640 --> 02:37:54,800
» Can we identify those? Yes, we I mean we
definitely have a short list I would say

2154
02:37:53,439 --> 02:37:59,520
of some of the ones that seems like wow
these are a lot of head space from

2155
02:37:57,280 --> 02:38:03,680
actual expend expenditure trends versus
what the budget is for one example and

2156
02:38:02,080 --> 02:38:07,680
it's always one of those where it's a
what if though. So they budget in the

2157
02:38:05,920 --> 02:38:11,920
court administration for abused and
neglected attorneys and usually they

2158
02:38:10,000 --> 02:38:16,319
budget around like $700,000 for those
abused and neglected. We've historically

2159
02:38:13,840 --> 02:38:20,960
been spending $450,000. That means that
we've been putting 250,000 a quarter of

2160
02:38:18,640 --> 02:38:24,319
a million into the budget just in case
we need to spend that. I understand that

2161
02:38:22,800 --> 02:38:27,680
the costs are going up, the trend is
going up, but uh it doesn't seem like

2162
02:38:26,240 --> 02:38:30,960
it's going up to that extent.
>> That's where the cash applied can come

2163
02:38:29,600 --> 02:38:33,359
from then, right?
>> You could potentially

2164
02:38:31,840 --> 02:38:38,800
» causes a cash applied, but I mean it
just it causes a budget maneuver that we

2165
02:38:36,880 --> 02:38:42,160
don't necessarily like like to have,
>> right? If you cut off that little

2166
02:38:39,920 --> 02:38:45,200
headroom there, you do run the risk.
Well, what if it comes in where they

2167
02:38:43,600 --> 02:38:48,640
were anticipating it to be? what if the
trend is broken this year and that's why

2168
02:38:47,359 --> 02:38:52,000
it's good to have some sort of
contingency plan for the county as a

2169
02:38:50,560 --> 02:38:54,000
whole which is what the board did when
they

2170
02:38:52,319 --> 02:39:01,120
» the other question I have is you know
since the IT incident um we've had some

2171
02:38:57,920 --> 02:39:10,800
conversation about um having a cyber
security person I know we we lost a u um

2172
02:39:08,000 --> 02:39:16,240
risk management person and his really
more the cyber security more along the

2173
02:39:14,000 --> 02:39:20,240
lines of that risk management person. I
mean, or do we have to figure something

2174
02:39:18,399 --> 02:39:24,800
in for a budget for that person because
they're not cheap? But it's uh after the

2175
02:39:22,800 --> 02:39:32,160
conversations that we had with outside
council and some of these guys which are

2176
02:39:28,000 --> 02:39:36,960
the top in the nation maybe in the world
uh suggested that we have our own IT

2177
02:39:35,520 --> 02:39:42,880
guy. I think we had that discussion up
here on the dis and so um having that in

2178
02:39:40,880 --> 02:39:46,560
the budget would would make sense cuz
it's something that I think that we need

2179
02:39:44,560 --> 02:39:50,160
to move on
just to prevent or help prevent well I

2180
02:39:48,960 --> 02:39:55,200
don't think we can ever prevent it with
AI now AI is just so powerful

2181
02:39:53,040 --> 02:39:59,359
» I mean yeah I do want to state the fact
that we did incorporate an FTE for that

2182
02:39:57,439 --> 02:40:02,080
in the 27 budget because we were
anticipating it it's has not been

2183
02:40:00,720 --> 02:40:04,880
approved by the board yet but that is
important to know that's incorporated

2184
02:40:03,359 --> 02:40:08,240
that it's been incorporated
>> perfect Okay. So, we're covering the

2185
02:40:06,720 --> 02:40:14,960
things that I had concerns about and
then obviously the judicial system being

2186
02:40:11,200 --> 02:40:22,240
backed up. How do we, you know, figure
that out? I mean, we got 600 people in

2187
02:40:17,920 --> 02:40:26,880
jail and 30 people serving time and 570
waiting for trials. And I mean, what

2188
02:40:24,640 --> 02:40:31,040
role do we play in with the new judges
thing? What role does the defender's

2189
02:40:28,640 --> 02:40:36,000
office and the state's attorney's office
play in that role? Um, that's something

2190
02:40:33,520 --> 02:40:39,200
we need to consider. Um it's just
unsustainable.

2191
02:40:38,319 --> 02:40:41,200
So
>> Mr. Chair,

2192
02:40:40,080 --> 02:40:44,720
» yes, Commissioner.
>> Yeah, hopefully I made a comment related

2193
02:40:43,040 --> 02:40:49,600
to that. I believe the judge Linger and
I believe it's August 1st when kind of

2194
02:40:47,520 --> 02:40:54,240
the new procedure
was kicking off in the court system with

2195
02:40:51,439 --> 02:40:58,800
how they were handling those cases. So,
uh hoping that that's a win for

2196
02:40:55,840 --> 02:41:01,840
everybody. I think it's a big big change
coordination between the state's

2197
02:41:00,160 --> 02:41:08,640
attorney's office and everybody and the
public defenders office and judicial to

2198
02:41:05,439 --> 02:41:13,520
try to get streamlining and a better
calendar timeline to get those cases

2199
02:41:11,520 --> 02:41:17,280
through and adjudicated.
Um Jordan, could you go through and

2200
02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:20,000
explain this slide?
>> All right. Yeah, this one was one we

2201
02:41:18,640 --> 02:41:22,960
kind of put together a little bit in a
hurry there. Ken wanted to make sure

2202
02:41:21,200 --> 02:41:26,960
that we looked at three things for the
last four years. And so we looked at

2203
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:31,040
what the budget was as adopted. That's
your darker blue there on the left. And

2204
02:41:28,960 --> 02:41:34,160
then what the final budget was after all
the supplements went through. That's

2205
02:41:32,399 --> 02:41:37,920
your green in the middle. And you'll see
the trend is that the actual

2206
02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:42,240
expenditures are coming in in between
those two numbers. And the reason for

2207
02:41:39,920 --> 02:41:48,640
that is that not all of the budgets that
had to get supplemented were expended

2208
02:41:45,520 --> 02:41:52,160
fully. And so um some of it the budget
supplement was uh appropriate because

2209
02:41:50,560 --> 02:41:55,200
say for example we had a project and we
didn't know what the cost was for a

2210
02:41:53,439 --> 02:41:59,840
building project roof repair something
like that we then had to supplement that

2211
02:41:57,439 --> 02:42:03,520
budget but elsewhere in the budget like
let's just say we didn't have a HR

2212
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:07,520
director for a couple months that year
that one was then underspent even though

2213
02:42:05,439 --> 02:42:10,800
you had to supplement the general fund
by a certain amount. And so that's what

2214
02:42:09,120 --> 02:42:13,600
we're seeing here is that you have to
supplement a budget so it doesn't go

2215
02:42:12,080 --> 02:42:18,319
into the negative so it has all the
budget available for it. Um, but when

2216
02:42:16,479 --> 02:42:23,040
you supplement that and underspend
others, we're hitting in between then

2217
02:42:20,800 --> 02:42:26,000
what the actual final budget was after
it was supplemented and what was

2218
02:42:24,479 --> 02:42:30,720
originally initially approved. And
that's kind of what what you see here.

2219
02:42:27,439 --> 02:42:36,000
» So like 2025, we can actually
explain the differences there of the

2220
02:42:33,120 --> 02:42:41,920
roughly 4.7 million or whatever 4.8
million with whatever it was. I mean, we

2221
02:42:39,200 --> 02:42:46,560
we can if it was like something
>> is that the turn back cash at the end of

2222
02:42:43,920 --> 02:42:49,120
the year that wasn't that wasn't spent.
Is that what's making your trend in the

2223
02:42:48,399 --> 02:42:53,439
gray?
>> Not not always. Um yes, some but then

2224
02:42:52,399 --> 02:42:56,479
others it
>> was restricted not used or unrestricted

2225
02:42:55,439 --> 02:43:00,399
not used. I got that.
>> So yeah, basically it was either the

2226
02:42:58,720 --> 02:43:03,920
budget was fully expended and it had to
be supplemented so it's not any cash

2227
02:43:01,920 --> 02:43:08,240
back or some of those were definitely
giving some budget back. But as you can

2228
02:43:06,319 --> 02:43:11,200
see, that gray is above that dark blue,
meaning that we spent more than we

2229
02:43:09,520 --> 02:43:14,319
anticipated.
>> Building this building that could have

2230
02:43:12,640 --> 02:43:18,000
been wasn't in the budget. That's what
we're trying to change right now is try

2231
02:43:15,920 --> 02:43:20,880
to make some provisions in our budget.
>> Yeah, we're to not have this

2232
02:43:20,080 --> 02:43:23,920
» correct.
>> We're trying to get an understanding as

2233
02:43:22,399 --> 02:43:28,560
to what all of our expenditures are
going to be and not getting into doing

2234
02:43:26,319 --> 02:43:34,479
supplements. So, in 2025, there was a
nearly $15 million supplement to 25's

2235
02:43:31,600 --> 02:43:39,840
budget. And so if you look at what was
actually so go back to 22 and say that

2236
02:43:37,120 --> 02:43:47,600
we budgeted and set a budget and said we
were going to spend 113 million uh we

2237
02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:54,720
wound up spending 121 million. 23 we
budgeted 110 million we spent 116

2238
02:43:50,800 --> 02:44:02,720
million. 24 we budgeted 120 million we
spent 128 million. And in 25 the budget

2239
02:43:58,800 --> 02:44:10,880
was $126 and we spent $132.
So we were nearly $6 million over what

2240
02:44:06,080 --> 02:44:16,000
we budgeted and expended in 2025.
And so that's why you know and again and

2241
02:44:13,760 --> 02:44:20,160
I think we had it like in one of our
initial breakout but we have the

2242
02:44:18,240 --> 02:44:24,240
accumulated building fund and we're
saying it's you know we're going to a

2243
02:44:21,840 --> 02:44:28,240
million dollars. then we need to look
at, you know, what are the projects

2244
02:44:25,760 --> 02:44:34,000
estimated to be expended in 27 to draw
that fund down. But if we have known

2245
02:44:31,279 --> 02:44:39,760
expenditures and that's what you get
back into, but we can have these

2246
02:44:35,680 --> 02:44:44,479
anomalies, but what my goal would be as
a commissioner is that we try to get

2247
02:44:41,359 --> 02:44:47,920
down to uh you know, we're saying that
we're budgeting a certain amount, that

2248
02:44:46,240 --> 02:44:52,080
we stay within that amount or under
that, that we're not supplementing

2249
02:44:49,279 --> 02:44:56,160
unless some emergency comes up. And the
history has been we have known

2250
02:44:54,399 --> 02:45:01,520
expenditures that we're not budgeting
for that come up and there's just budget

2251
02:44:58,560 --> 02:45:05,760
supplements done in 2025 is a good
example of the one motion that was made

2252
02:45:03,600 --> 02:45:08,720
that was nearly $15 million to
supplement a budget that was already

2253
02:45:07,200 --> 02:45:14,080
approved.
And so what I would like to see getting

2254
02:45:11,680 --> 02:45:19,680
back to I I mean I have a bunch of this
in my own notes but there are line items

2255
02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:23,760
in the budget for 5year history unless
there's and some of those are pretty

2256
02:45:21,680 --> 02:45:26,880
much a standout.
Unless [clears throat] there's an

2257
02:45:24,640 --> 02:45:31,920
explanation as to why last year you know
for fiveyear average we're spending uh

2258
02:45:30,399 --> 02:45:37,200
$20,000
but every year we've been budgeting

2259
02:45:34,560 --> 02:45:41,279
$80,000 $100,000.
And if you're budgeting that amount the

2260
02:45:39,120 --> 02:45:45,520
same, why aren't we closer to a
five-year average? And if we're off,

2261
02:45:43,520 --> 02:45:52,880
then explain why we need to bump it up
this year. And uh there's a talking

2262
02:45:49,120 --> 02:45:58,479
point uh on many of them. And so I mean
I would like to see [clears throat]

2263
02:45:55,680 --> 02:46:02,640
some information on what you guys are
looking at of the budget and saying here

2264
02:46:00,399 --> 02:46:07,439
is you know some anomalies that we think
and maybe get back to the department

2265
02:46:04,080 --> 02:46:12,560
heads and say the your five years of
expenditures in this line item is

2266
02:46:10,240 --> 02:46:16,080
$10,000 but you continually been
budgeting $50,000

2267
02:46:14,720 --> 02:46:20,720
because I would like to find those
incremental savings in there knowing

2268
02:46:18,640 --> 02:46:25,359
that we're not going to expend those
funds. historically though we budgeted

2269
02:46:22,560 --> 02:46:30,479
for it because I think every dollar
needs to be accounted for so we can make

2270
02:46:27,359 --> 02:46:35,040
smart decisions on the employee and the
personnel package and the HR stuff and

2271
02:46:32,880 --> 02:46:40,319
say well if applied cash is 6 million
and we say we want applied cash at 2

2272
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:44,399
million in the general fund then getting
back to commissioner Hadcock's point

2273
02:46:42,640 --> 02:46:49,359
then that puts us in a position of
saying well what are the priorities and

2274
02:46:46,960 --> 02:46:53,200
let's go cut 4 million when we could
have the information to make good

2275
02:46:51,279 --> 02:46:58,920
decisions about where we could get that
applied cash number down.

2276
02:46:55,920 --> 02:46:58,920
» Chair.

2277
02:46:59,279 --> 02:47:07,359
So,
okay. So, I've been here through all of

2278
02:47:03,600 --> 02:47:14,000
what you're talking about plus more. So,
in 21 I got the weird part. The anomaly

2279
02:47:10,720 --> 02:47:18,240
is COVID 19 2021. So, there's some weird
things going on there. Meaning, um could

2280
02:47:16,880 --> 02:47:22,640
have been accounted for a little bit
differently. So those numbers were

2281
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:27,040
different. Um then you started bonding
and you started using that bonding for a

2282
02:47:25,040 --> 02:47:30,800
for a cumulative building. Nothing to do
with our accumulative building person

2283
02:47:28,640 --> 02:47:34,560
because he wasn't here but we started
using that bonding and it started

2284
02:47:32,960 --> 02:47:42,240
changing the numbers. When you're seeing
a lot of that gray or basically trending

2285
02:47:38,319 --> 02:47:47,040
higher, you got to remember from 22 to
25 there was some anomalies of

2286
02:47:44,800 --> 02:47:54,319
13,647,000
that was absorbed in these budgets for

2287
02:47:50,800 --> 02:48:00,800
um raises.
So a lot of that going by line item by

2288
02:47:56,960 --> 02:48:04,960
line item for people for me I get it. We
need to look at everything. But the

2289
02:48:02,399 --> 02:48:12,960
anomaly was what was spent on giving
raises in that time that at shouldn't

2290
02:48:08,080 --> 02:48:17,760
have been done at that kind of scale.
So a lot of this that you're seeing is

2291
02:48:15,520 --> 02:48:22,720
wage differentials,
not just overspending of budgets or or

2292
02:48:20,720 --> 02:48:29,200
counting everybody in these budgets as
department heads is, you know,

2293
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:34,720
um basically spending their line items
like they shouldn't. So the only thing

2294
02:48:31,279 --> 02:48:36,000
that I was seeing the most of back then
was when you gave the ra ra ra ra ra ra

2295
02:48:36,000 --> 02:48:36,720
ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra
ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra

2296
02:48:36,080 --> 02:48:41,040
ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra raises, we
didn't know at the time, and to be fair

2297
02:48:38,240 --> 02:48:47,040
to Ron and Gary at this point, we didn't
find out that it was 13,647

2298
02:48:43,520 --> 02:48:51,200
because I kept asking the uh auditor,
what is those totals every year? Well,

2299
02:48:48,720 --> 02:48:57,760
we already knew when you started having
4 million, 5 million um stuff like that

2300
02:48:54,240 --> 02:49:01,359
that was going on in the last few years,
that was crazy.

2301
02:48:59,680 --> 02:49:04,880
We also said two of us were on there
saying this is crazy what we're doing

2302
02:49:02,800 --> 02:49:09,200
because we cannot absorb this. So now
we're starting to cut the 4% in the

2303
02:49:07,359 --> 02:49:15,040
wages and other stuff. So I get where
you're going with some of this budget,

2304
02:49:10,560 --> 02:49:20,560
but some of it um you know you're going
to have to look sensibly about some of

2305
02:49:18,080 --> 02:49:26,000
that stuff that you don't have to
micromanage to a certain extent, but you

2306
02:49:23,040 --> 02:49:30,560
also should look at the major numbers.
So some of that um I'm in agreement with

2307
02:49:28,160 --> 02:49:34,479
and other things it's like okay we got
in control last year to a certain extent

2308
02:49:32,399 --> 02:49:38,240
of the 8 million to try to cut some of
those excessive things that were going

2309
02:49:36,240 --> 02:49:43,120
on with the wages. The buildings when
you're talking about the buildings um

2310
02:49:40,960 --> 02:49:47,680
that didn't make us in in one sense it
didn't make it a deficit but it was

2311
02:49:45,279 --> 02:49:52,240
using bonding money that shouldn't have
been used for other projects for

2312
02:49:49,920 --> 02:49:57,760
buildings and grounds. They should have
had that in their budgets.

2313
02:49:54,720 --> 02:50:01,920
So, I got that as well. The 5.4 was a
building we never were going to buy.

2314
02:49:59,760 --> 02:50:07,680
This building was accounted for and some
of the bonding money if we include and

2315
02:50:04,720 --> 02:50:13,200
then most of it was sheriff and then we
started doing the sheriff's money um for

2316
02:50:11,120 --> 02:50:17,120
buying buildings.
So, when you see some of these numbers,

2317
02:50:14,800 --> 02:50:21,200
you got to remember that when I was
telling you about the buildings and the

2318
02:50:18,800 --> 02:50:27,680
um wages, those were huge differentials
on what's going on with those budgets

2319
02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:32,000
from like 22 to to up till 26.
Some of it uh should have been done

2320
02:50:29,600 --> 02:50:37,200
differently. Too late now. Now, we made
that difference. So, that's why I saying

2321
02:50:35,120 --> 02:50:41,359
on the budgets, you trying to track it
to a certain extent and not knowing the

2322
02:50:38,960 --> 02:50:46,399
history on some of this stuff, guys. um
not all the department heads were doing

2323
02:50:42,960 --> 02:50:52,080
what what this anomaly is showing. A lot
of them held the line. Some of them did

2324
02:50:48,800 --> 02:50:57,120
not and that's what caused some of that.
So how we move forward hopefully in a

2325
02:50:54,479 --> 02:51:01,359
positive way is is to make sure that we
are making sure we have those services

2326
02:50:59,680 --> 02:51:05,920
that we need for the future. Make sure
that self-funding is where it's supposed

2327
02:51:02,960 --> 02:51:10,960
to be. And then um I'm going to be up
straight. I'm not against using CPI

2328
02:51:07,920 --> 02:51:15,600
growth and and um some of that depending
on what those levies come in those areas

2329
02:51:13,760 --> 02:51:19,279
and I'd like to know bottom line where
we have to cut if it's a certain area.

2330
02:51:17,520 --> 02:51:23,760
You don't have to take 10 million off a
budget. What you need to do is come

2331
02:51:21,120 --> 02:51:27,840
close to making it so it's balanced and
it's not causing the taxpayer where they

2332
02:51:25,680 --> 02:51:33,520
go, "Okay, you just increase me $100
each blah blah blah for your levy,

2333
02:51:30,640 --> 02:51:37,680
whatever." Um you can make the levy like
look good. They used to do the levy back

2334
02:51:35,680 --> 02:51:41,359
in the day, make the levy look like they
weren't raising the taxes

2335
02:51:40,240 --> 02:51:44,560
then. I don't think the people
understood that in the first place they

2336
02:51:42,800 --> 02:51:47,760
were. They just made it look like the
levy was low and they weren't doing

2337
02:51:46,000 --> 02:51:53,200
anything. So, I don't want to play that
game either. So, thank you.

2338
02:51:49,920 --> 02:51:59,200
» So, Jordan, so I guess on September
17th, we need to have a um this needs to

2339
02:51:56,880 --> 02:52:02,800
be like close to the end of the
conversations on where we're going here.

2340
02:52:00,880 --> 02:52:07,760
Yep. So, I just want to make sure the
commission understands that if you need

2341
02:52:05,920 --> 02:52:13,200
if you if they have some direction that
they want to give you, let's be explicit

2342
02:52:10,080 --> 02:52:17,120
about it. Let's be to the point and uh
let's get there on 17th. So,

2343
02:52:16,160 --> 02:52:20,000
Commissioner Dur.
>> Yeah, I'm just going to say what I would

2344
02:52:18,399 --> 02:52:23,520
like to look at. I mean, I have my own
numbers here, but I'd like the

2345
02:52:21,920 --> 02:52:27,920
information coming from the commission
office. uh the five-year average of some

2346
02:52:26,240 --> 02:52:31,040
of those expenditures, just Jordan
mentioned one of them, but I mean it

2347
02:52:29,439 --> 02:52:35,600
adds up to hundreds of thousands of
dollars. And I would just rather get

2348
02:52:33,760 --> 02:52:38,880
down to a true accounting and saying
this is what we believe we're going to

2349
02:52:37,040 --> 02:52:43,680
expend for five years. We have we have a
line item of 50 grand and we haven't

2350
02:52:40,560 --> 02:52:48,319
spent it in five years. And I would just
like the comfort level because it comes

2351
02:52:45,520 --> 02:52:52,240
down to and again if we if we don't have
to continually tax more from the

2352
02:52:50,399 --> 02:52:57,439
taxpayers to balance a budget because
the bal the budget continually increases

2353
02:52:55,439 --> 02:53:04,720
uh that's a lot of what our taxpayers
are upset about the fact that an owner

2354
02:52:59,840 --> 02:53:10,960
occupied since 2022 or 2020 has gone up
40%. And so, and again, we've, you know,

2355
02:53:09,520 --> 02:53:15,040
we heard it this morning. It's not
popular with everybody, but you know, we

2356
02:53:13,040 --> 02:53:19,680
passed the sales tax and hopefully that
will, you know, offset,

2357
02:53:17,680 --> 02:53:24,800
you know, in the future. We'll see how
that works out to offset some of the

2358
02:53:22,399 --> 02:53:29,200
property tax burden, but the majority of
our services, and again, it's a, you

2359
02:53:27,600 --> 02:53:35,120
know, you look at where the revenue is
coming in, it's what the county has to

2360
02:53:30,880 --> 02:53:39,840
rely upon as property tax. And uh uh now
we'll look at a sales tax opportunity.

2361
02:53:37,600 --> 02:53:44,880
And the other talking point in there too
is you go back and look at the revenue

2362
02:53:42,479 --> 02:53:49,920
and the sheriff's office through you
know the marshalss and different things.

2363
02:53:47,520 --> 02:53:53,920
In fact that hit one of your top 10.
>> It did. uh the revenue coming in on some

2364
02:53:52,160 --> 02:53:58,080
of the contracts and agreements we have
through public safety, you know, is a

2365
02:53:56,000 --> 02:54:03,760
benefit to the organization and
offsetting offsetting some of those

2366
02:53:59,840 --> 02:54:07,040
operational costs. And uh and again
getting back to what was echoed this

2367
02:54:05,359 --> 02:54:12,479
morning, you know, from Mr. Mueller
about looking at uh you know some of

2368
02:54:10,160 --> 02:54:16,399
those things that we have agreements and
contracts in place and this is you know

2369
02:54:14,800 --> 02:54:20,399
something that we're working on but is
it the bang for the buck to make sure

2370
02:54:18,160 --> 02:54:23,920
that we're just not providing a service
under an agreement that is not

2371
02:54:22,000 --> 02:54:28,240
beneficial to the organization or the
taxpayers. So anyway it's some of those

2372
02:54:26,640 --> 02:54:32,319
because I you know and again I'm not
even though the levy goes down because

2373
02:54:30,160 --> 02:54:39,040
our growth has increased we're still
collecting more tax revenue. So, uh, and

2374
02:54:36,399 --> 02:54:43,760
the other thing I do know like in some
of the budgets and I'd mentioned it and

2375
02:54:41,279 --> 02:54:47,359
I can, you know, I would like to look at
and we won't have it done, but the

2376
02:54:45,680 --> 02:54:51,439
departments that are looking at getting
brand new vehicles in 27 outside of

2377
02:54:49,600 --> 02:54:56,080
public safety,
uh, I only know of one or I only know of

2378
02:54:54,319 --> 02:55:02,640
a couple that have popped out, but I
would like to know what those capital p

2379
02:54:58,880 --> 02:55:05,520
capital expenditures are and uh, because
I believe we do have enough vehicles in

2380
02:55:04,640 --> 02:55:11,040
the county. So,
>> Commissioner Dur, can you um make sure

2381
02:55:08,640 --> 02:55:14,800
you get those explicitly to to Jordan
and he can share them and he can pass

2382
02:55:13,439 --> 02:55:16,880
those out to anybody that
>> you want to be included in public

2383
02:55:16,160 --> 02:55:20,399
safety?
>> I I was just going to ask the question.

2384
02:55:18,640 --> 02:55:24,560
We have a 10-year replacement plan that
we've been proceeding with for the last

2385
02:55:22,880 --> 02:55:27,600
several years. I just wanted to confirm
that we are good to to continue.

2386
02:55:26,479 --> 02:55:31,120
» Are you talking about equipment or you
talking about new vehicles?

2387
02:55:28,960 --> 02:55:37,359
» So, our our vehicles are included in
that. Um, in 2027, I believe our plan

2388
02:55:33,520 --> 02:55:43,920
only includes um shop pick or a service
vehicle that uh is replacing a 2003

2389
02:55:41,200 --> 02:55:47,600
or 2004 with over 200,000 miles on it
that is in desperate need of

2390
02:55:45,439 --> 02:55:51,840
replacement. So, that's included in next
year's I would be

2391
02:55:50,240 --> 02:55:55,760
if you get a memo from Jordan, you'll
know and so just attack it at that

2392
02:55:54,080 --> 02:55:59,840
moment. What I would like to see is just
all the those capital but basically

2393
02:55:58,160 --> 02:56:02,880
vehicles that are being purchased. So we
have an un so I have an understanding

2394
02:56:01,279 --> 02:56:10,000
and the rest of the commission does is
why and uh because I and again I think

2395
02:56:06,640 --> 02:56:15,040
it would help to have that information
knowing you know what our fleet

2396
02:56:11,920 --> 02:56:18,560
management is going to be and uh you
know I know that that's another project

2397
02:56:16,880 --> 02:56:24,399
in the pipeline to work on fleet
management trying to have some shared

2398
02:56:21,760 --> 02:56:28,640
resources across different departments
and I'm talking about some of the

2399
02:56:26,479 --> 02:56:34,399
smaller departments in the county not
the larger ones Okay. I will I believe

2400
02:56:31,680 --> 02:56:36,960
we have our equipment purchase plan. So
if we don't, we'll get it from it. So

2401
02:56:36,319 --> 02:56:39,279
» yeah,
>> Commissioner Hadco.

2402
02:56:38,000 --> 02:56:45,200
» So if you're going to make changes to
the budget or touch people's budgets as

2403
02:56:42,880 --> 02:56:48,479
um we have done in the past for
provisional or otherwise, we want to

2404
02:56:46,800 --> 02:56:51,200
make sure that we're communicating to
those departments where we're switching

2405
02:56:50,080 --> 02:56:56,240
things. And I know you're doing that
this week, Jordan. Thank you very much.

2406
02:56:53,520 --> 02:57:00,560
Kenner, but um before you make the
changes, that communication should be

2407
02:56:58,000 --> 02:57:04,080
done, whether it's Jerry's direction, my
direction, or anybody's direction. You

2408
02:57:02,640 --> 02:57:08,240
need to communicate with the department
head where you're going before you put

2409
02:57:05,680 --> 02:57:13,600
it up here on the DIS. So, it's not
like, okay, holy crap, what did you do

2410
02:57:10,560 --> 02:57:16,640
or where the changes? Cuz I know with uh
some of sheriff stuff, we talked about

2411
02:57:15,120 --> 02:57:20,640
that that that's why you're meeting with
him is because his understanding was

2412
02:57:18,960 --> 02:57:24,240
this and our understanding for his
budget. So then he was starting all over

2413
02:57:22,720 --> 02:57:29,279
again on some of his stuff trying to
figure it out. So remember um that

2414
02:57:27,439 --> 02:57:33,439
communication, we are the budget people.
I got it. But that communication with

2415
02:57:31,600 --> 02:57:37,439
your department heads so they know how
to figure out their budgets or if they

2416
02:57:35,600 --> 02:57:42,319
think 50,000 that's been in there for
two years for some reason or whatever or

2417
02:57:40,160 --> 02:57:45,920
whatever we're going. I get cut some of
that stuff. But um I'd like [snorts]

2418
02:57:44,319 --> 02:57:54,240
some communication. And it doesn't have
to be um what uh 80some areas that we

2419
02:57:52,080 --> 02:57:58,399
have to go and discuss up here. There
should be a discussion with you and them

2420
02:57:56,960 --> 02:58:02,399
and by the time you're done you'll
probably narrow it down to 30. So just

2421
02:58:00,880 --> 02:58:09,359
to make sure that's happening in the
future. So um again um I like to make

2422
02:58:06,399 --> 02:58:14,160
sure that our depart um our department
heads and I'll just tell you I've

2423
02:58:11,600 --> 02:58:18,000
watched it. team and you've seen it. Um
that they have uh true discussions and

2424
02:58:16,080 --> 02:58:22,000
then when they're talking with their
budgets or whatever, even with you on

2425
02:58:20,000 --> 02:58:27,439
some of that stuff, that those concerns
are getting met um and related to us

2426
02:58:24,479 --> 02:58:31,920
because it's it's huge when we have 17
departments helping us run an

2427
02:58:29,760 --> 02:58:36,000
organization and then five are elected.
So all that [snorts] makes a huge

2428
02:58:33,520 --> 02:58:41,200
difference if you could do those changes
and and in a hopefully in a good way so

2429
02:58:38,960 --> 02:58:44,560
they have time to look at look at it not
have to explain each one of them why you

2430
02:58:42,800 --> 02:58:48,080
should keep it in there. Thank you.
>> Any other commissioner have anything

2431
02:58:45,760 --> 02:58:51,200
they want to look into on the on the
>> Yeah. Melissa

2432
02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:56,080
» Melissa
>> then I want to speak to

2433
02:58:54,880 --> 02:58:59,080
get to you too brother.
>> Yep.

2434
02:59:00,080 --> 02:59:08,000
that commissioner dur.
>> So I know that uh your department and

2435
02:59:04,640 --> 02:59:12,880
again yeah happy to finally have an HR
director you know on the team and it's

2436
02:59:10,560 --> 02:59:18,000
not like uh you don't have anything to
do.

2437
02:59:14,880 --> 02:59:23,200
So the uh there's a couple of things
that you know I think we could hammer

2438
02:59:20,640 --> 02:59:28,000
that out in the discussion because again
a lot of the handbook and the employee

2439
02:59:24,960 --> 02:59:32,640
handbook ties to county expenditures.
Uh but getting back to these open

2440
02:59:30,399 --> 02:59:38,240
positions, I believe it was in June when
a report was ran and at that point in

2441
02:59:35,520 --> 02:59:44,560
time we had 84 positions at a snapshot
in time that you know were open and then

2442
02:59:42,160 --> 02:59:50,080
looking at historically what those open
positions have been and that's what I

2443
02:59:47,760 --> 02:59:54,720
would like to see for the 17th and
between Jordan and Ken having some of

2444
02:59:52,240 --> 03:00:00,399
the information. I think some of it came
from your office on historical stuff and

2445
02:59:57,040 --> 03:00:03,840
gathering that and the sheriff stepped
forward and said, you know, I'm going to

2446
03:00:02,240 --> 03:00:07,600
we had that discussion. I'm going to
offer these positions. I'm going to make

2447
03:00:05,439 --> 03:00:11,840
these cuts. And that was the only
department that came forward. And so I

2448
03:00:10,000 --> 03:00:16,399
would like to see what those uh
positions historically have been and

2449
03:00:13,760 --> 03:00:22,080
open and getting back to it because I do
know that we do batch hiring. And so

2450
03:00:19,439 --> 03:00:26,640
specifically in the public safety sector
to include the state's attorney's office

2451
03:00:24,240 --> 03:00:32,000
saying, you know, I have to wait until
August, you know, to uh when they get

2452
03:00:29,200 --> 03:00:39,200
out of school and graduate and then come
into the office on and where sheriff's

2453
03:00:35,439 --> 03:00:43,120
office looks at, you know, because of uh
recruiting and training in that timeline

2454
03:00:41,120 --> 03:00:47,439
and doing batch hiring on some of those
positions

2455
03:00:44,720 --> 03:00:53,840
uh that we look at. Is there an
opportunity outside of the 4% that we've

2456
03:00:50,560 --> 03:00:58,560
we did? Is there an opportunity to look
at some of those vacant positions?

2457
03:00:55,680 --> 03:01:03,920
Specifically, if we're funding 100% and
we know that every year, you know, we're

2458
03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:09,359
not filling those positions until, you
know, midyear, 3/4 year, etc. So,

2459
03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:13,359
» I can I can get that for you guys.
>> All right. Thank you.

2460
03:01:12,399 --> 03:01:17,520
» Thank you, Melissa.
>> Yeah. Um,

2461
03:01:16,640 --> 03:01:21,279
» Mr. Chair,
>> Mr.

2462
03:01:18,000 --> 03:01:25,359
» So, Jordan, we were uh talking about
outside agencies and one of them is

2463
03:01:23,120 --> 03:01:29,359
Pennington County Council of Aging and
their request for 10,000 for Prairie

2464
03:01:27,439 --> 03:01:36,479
Hills Transit
7,144 for uh basically be supplies for

2465
03:01:34,000 --> 03:01:42,800
independent for seniors that are living
independent that the Department of Human

2466
03:01:38,880 --> 03:01:47,120
Services can't get reimbursed for. So,
uh, is would this be the time to kind of

2467
03:01:45,600 --> 03:01:53,600
talk about that meeting that you had
that I had an MO meeting that I couldn't

2468
03:01:50,560 --> 03:01:57,040
go to both? We we certainly could. Um,
so the direction I kind of gave uh at

2469
03:01:55,760 --> 03:02:01,040
the time was that we would either
discuss it on September 1st or September

2470
03:01:59,120 --> 03:02:04,720
17th. And since there was another
outside agency uh the the Rapid City

2471
03:02:03,600 --> 03:02:08,160
Public Library that we were going to
deal with, I was going to kind of get

2472
03:02:06,080 --> 03:02:10,960
all that information together for the
17th if that

2473
03:02:09,439 --> 03:02:14,080
» and that's fine. I just want to touch
base on

2474
03:02:12,000 --> 03:02:19,040
» uh there were some questions on you know
payments in the last two years for uh

2475
03:02:16,399 --> 03:02:23,120
transportation. That's one of our
>> uh goals is to pro provide

2476
03:02:21,040 --> 03:02:27,040
transportation for the senior population
in Penton County. So I'll just go over

2477
03:02:25,760 --> 03:02:31,040
this real quick.
>> Absolutely.

2478
03:02:28,399 --> 03:02:39,200
So, Prairie Hills Transit, we had a
check for 625

2479
03:02:33,439 --> 03:02:46,800
uh January of 24 and then February of 24
another check for 625

2480
03:02:42,640 --> 03:02:52,399
and uh three of 25 check for 625 the
Prairie Hills Transit

2481
03:02:49,120 --> 03:02:59,840
and in three of 24 Prairie Hills uh
Rapid Transit. Uh and we also uh provide

2482
03:02:57,120 --> 03:03:04,960
senior transportation in Rapid City uh
to the two rapid transit that was for

2483
03:03:02,720 --> 03:03:09,439
5,647.
Then Prairie Hills Transit again on 24

2484
03:03:07,120 --> 03:03:16,240
for 1,500.
Uh 24 another check to Prairie Hills

2485
03:03:13,040 --> 03:03:22,880
Transit for 4,125.
And then in 19 or in 2025 we gave

2486
03:03:20,720 --> 03:03:28,960
Prairie Hills Transit a check for
10,000.

2487
03:03:24,960 --> 03:03:35,040
And in 19 or 2025,
another check to Rapid Transit for

2488
03:03:31,520 --> 03:03:39,600
5,310. And then February of this year,
we wrote a check the Perry Hills

2489
03:03:36,560 --> 03:03:44,640
transfer per 10,000.
So, you know, historically, those are

2490
03:03:41,680 --> 03:03:49,279
the checks that we have written uh for
transportation for the needs of the

2491
03:03:47,040 --> 03:03:55,120
senior population living in Pennington
County. Another thing that we mentioned,

2492
03:03:51,600 --> 03:03:58,800
yeah, Gary Jerry was concerned, do we
have some money in a checkin count that

2493
03:03:57,120 --> 03:04:04,160
was left over the way that we operated
before? And we do. We do. I think as of

2494
03:04:02,399 --> 03:04:08,240
the meeting that you had there was about
$18,000

2495
03:04:05,680 --> 03:04:13,840
in that account and their request for
this year would be 17,144

2496
03:04:11,120 --> 03:04:19,760
that would be for combination of
transportation and needs for these

2497
03:04:17,279 --> 03:04:24,160
seniors uh for their independent living.
Uh

2498
03:04:21,600 --> 03:04:28,800
so
when we mention why do you want to keep

2499
03:04:27,200 --> 03:04:35,359
some money in your account because now
the process is it it's a lengthy process

2500
03:04:32,479 --> 03:04:40,479
to come before the commission and ask
for funds. And one of the things that we

2501
03:04:38,720 --> 03:04:46,880
could pride ourselves in the past is
that one of the senior centers could

2502
03:04:43,760 --> 03:04:52,319
call up and say our freezer went out and
we just don't have the funds to replace

2503
03:04:48,560 --> 03:04:56,560
it or our oven went out for. So those
emergency funds were used for those type

2504
03:04:54,800 --> 03:05:03,120
of purposes.
And so just a an overview of some of

2505
03:05:00,319 --> 03:05:09,840
those examples would be
uh Keystone Senior Center. Uh they had a

2506
03:05:07,040 --> 03:05:15,359
emergency roof repair which we covered
and then uh a year later there was some

2507
03:05:13,520 --> 03:05:19,359
additional
leaking and you know just something that

2508
03:05:17,520 --> 03:05:23,200
needed to get done and this is the type
of stuff that we could sit there and

2509
03:05:20,640 --> 03:05:29,840
write write a check to make that happen.
Then the Menaoosa on senior centers

2510
03:05:26,960 --> 03:05:33,760
their refrigerate re refrigerator went
out their freezer. So you know we're

2511
03:05:31,920 --> 03:05:37,120
able to sit there and write a check uh
once we got the approval from the

2512
03:05:35,120 --> 03:05:44,399
committee
and then we uh Keystone Senior Center uh

2513
03:05:41,840 --> 03:05:48,240
a stove and I can go on and on. So the
checks that we have written in the in

2514
03:05:46,560 --> 03:05:52,880
the last
seven years that I've been involved has

2515
03:05:50,000 --> 03:05:57,279
either been for transportation
emergency

2516
03:05:54,720 --> 03:06:02,960
situations, freezers, stoves, and
whatnot. Meals on wheels. We used to

2517
03:06:00,479 --> 03:06:07,279
write a number of checks for that uh
last year. I don't believe we've written

2518
03:06:04,720 --> 03:06:12,880
any checks to that capacity.
All I'm saying is that we would like to

2519
03:06:10,080 --> 03:06:16,800
I I believe keep 5 to10 thou or5 to
$8,000 in that account which will never

2520
03:06:15,040 --> 03:06:21,200
be replenished. Once it's gone, it's
gone for emergency services. So I just

2521
03:06:19,200 --> 03:06:26,880
want to make that
aware to the other commissioners as we

2522
03:06:23,120 --> 03:06:30,880
move forward uh on outside agencies.
Thank you, Commissioner Ross Connect.

2523
03:06:28,800 --> 03:06:34,000
Any other comments from here?
>> Yep. Commissioner,

2524
03:06:32,000 --> 03:06:39,600
» just about the library. Um, Ker and I
met with the li library board and Laura

2525
03:06:36,560 --> 03:06:44,800
Armstrong and uh bottom line we came up
with the 320

2526
03:06:41,680 --> 03:06:49,040
um in agreement which I understood but I
think they also asked why didn't we have

2527
03:06:46,720 --> 03:06:52,720
a vote yet on the library and I think
that's something I don't know how long

2528
03:06:50,800 --> 03:06:57,040
that takes to organize or if I need to
work with Jordan to look at that about

2529
03:06:54,880 --> 03:07:01,920
how we move forward that's setting up um
a vote on the library with the outlining

2530
03:06:59,680 --> 03:07:07,359
areas. I think that's a smart idea. That
way we can also see what that levy needs

2531
03:07:04,479 --> 03:07:10,720
to be and if uh I'm not into and this
year we were going to pay general fund

2532
03:07:08,960 --> 03:07:15,439
because we didn't think real hard or I
didn't about the 80,000 that we'd end up

2533
03:07:13,120 --> 03:07:21,920
paying and how much people not only in
the outlining but the city also that

2534
03:07:18,160 --> 03:07:25,359
help pay. So um what I told them is the
give and take with the city and the

2535
03:07:23,279 --> 03:07:30,240
county on areas that we pay and they
pay. I also believe that when you have a

2536
03:07:27,840 --> 03:07:33,520
donnut hole around 20,000 people
basically, that's what I'm guesstimating

2537
03:07:32,160 --> 03:07:39,439
at this point because it used to be
20,000 I don't know a year or two ago in

2538
03:07:36,319 --> 03:07:43,279
um Rapid Valley that how much did they
could contribute for everything else

2539
03:07:40,800 --> 03:07:48,960
being that close basically their city.
So, um, us the county is paying about I

2540
03:07:47,200 --> 03:07:54,080
don't know how many people are in in
that area, but we're paying basically

2541
03:07:51,520 --> 03:07:57,920
their library cards when, um, there
should be something different in that

2542
03:07:55,600 --> 03:08:01,840
three mile limit when you don't want to,
um, or even the mile limit when you

2543
03:07:59,600 --> 03:08:07,359
don't want to annex them in because of
infrastructure or other stuff. Well, um,

2544
03:08:05,359 --> 03:08:11,040
we're taking care of those areas and ask
the highway department in some of those

2545
03:08:08,880 --> 03:08:16,960
areas as well when that doesn't annex in
for drainage and other stuff. So, um,

2546
03:08:14,800 --> 03:08:20,399
long story short, she asked, and that
was Miss Terry, why didn't you give us

2547
03:08:18,479 --> 03:08:25,760
the 40,000 more difference? I said,
because at this point, the 320, um, a

2548
03:08:24,000 --> 03:08:31,200
lot of us thought out of four of us
thought that that was pretty fair. And

2549
03:08:27,600 --> 03:08:36,760
based on the numbers uh Kenner ran um we
thought maybe even a little bit lower,

2550
03:08:32,640 --> 03:08:36,760
but um

2551
03:08:37,680 --> 03:08:44,640
our bottom line was um they were going
to come and they said could we ask for

2552
03:08:42,960 --> 03:08:48,399
higher said you can ask for whatever you
want at this point but it looked like

2553
03:08:46,479 --> 03:08:51,680
four votes for at least 320. I don't
know if that's going to happen on the

2554
03:08:49,680 --> 03:08:57,520
17th. We told them I just could say at
my I'm one of uh five that at the 320

2555
03:08:55,359 --> 03:09:02,080
it's good but I would be looking to try
to do that boat to see if [snorts] the

2556
03:08:59,840 --> 03:09:05,680
county residents still wanted it. I also
wanted to know how many people if we

2557
03:09:03,680 --> 03:09:11,600
could find out in Rapid Valley that use
it because again if there's 35 40,000

2558
03:09:08,399 --> 03:09:15,359
people in the outlining areas and Box
Elder didn't pay as well as you know

2559
03:09:13,200 --> 03:09:18,240
some of that um there's going to be
something that needs to be changed and

2560
03:09:16,800 --> 03:09:22,560
that would be huge if we did the vote
and then included anybody that needed to

2561
03:09:20,479 --> 03:09:28,240
pay for it for that library at that
point to make it fair and just

2562
03:09:24,240 --> 03:09:32,080
throughout the outlining areas. Um, also
if you think about it, and I'll keep

2563
03:09:29,600 --> 03:09:37,520
saying it, they've been paying for, um,
ambulance services for over 25 years.

2564
03:09:34,319 --> 03:09:42,399
So, um, I was willing to like do that
give and take for, um, the general fund

2565
03:09:40,160 --> 03:09:46,960
on this point, but I'd like to know how
we get that vote move forward and then

2566
03:09:45,359 --> 03:09:49,760
I'll probably come to you Jordan for
some conversation or if you send me to

2567
03:09:48,640 --> 03:09:53,600
the auditor
>> and then bring that forward to the

2568
03:09:51,200 --> 03:09:59,920
board. Thank you.
Any

2569
03:09:55,840 --> 03:10:05,120
other comments or are you Kerry, did you
have a comment or no? Okay, Jordan. Um,

2570
03:10:03,359 --> 03:10:08,479
where do we go from here?
>> Well, um, did you guys want to make any

2571
03:10:07,040 --> 03:10:11,600
motions on anything within the budget
right now? Because if not, then the next

2572
03:10:09,920 --> 03:10:15,359
thing that we would want to do is to set
by motion uh, the continuation of

2573
03:10:13,840 --> 03:10:18,160
consideration of the provisional budget
to the September 17th.

2574
03:10:16,880 --> 03:10:21,600
» I just want the commission to have a
good feel for what's going to happen

2575
03:10:19,760 --> 03:10:25,120
mean between now and the 17th. and that
is that there's some things that Jerry

2576
03:10:23,680 --> 03:10:26,960
wanted you to look at that you would
communicate to all of us.

2577
03:10:26,319 --> 03:10:30,640
» Yes.
>> Okay. Some of the policy things there

2578
03:10:29,279 --> 03:10:34,080
one thing we were working on was the
contracts. I don't know if that's going

2579
03:10:31,840 --> 03:10:35,920
to affect the budget or not. So like
with all the copers, all that type of

2580
03:10:35,600 --> 03:10:39,120
stuff.
>> I'll touch base with it again on those

2581
03:10:37,760 --> 03:10:42,240
just to see where we're at with that. If
we've got any numbers that we could

2582
03:10:40,399 --> 03:10:44,240
present of potential savings to the
budget.

2583
03:10:42,800 --> 03:10:48,160
» Okay. Um Mr. Chair.
>> Yes. Commissioner Ross.

2584
03:10:45,760 --> 03:10:53,279
» Yeah. The only other thing is that uh
the Hill City Library Board has reached

2585
03:10:50,880 --> 03:10:57,040
out to me and Jordan and we've told them
that uh we've we've kind of told them

2586
03:10:55,680 --> 03:11:01,359
they're they're kind of asking, you
know, like where are we at? So, we've

2587
03:10:59,439 --> 03:11:08,240
given them just as much information as
we can at this point. And I I think it

2588
03:11:03,520 --> 03:11:11,439
was basically where we're at for 2027 is
somewhere

2589
03:11:09,840 --> 03:11:15,680
uh the same amount that they got for
2026.

2590
03:11:13,600 --> 03:11:19,120
» Yes. And to clarify that point, um,
essentially if you guys decide to

2591
03:11:17,359 --> 03:11:22,720
increase levies by growth in CPI or
whatever you end up doing, it's going to

2592
03:11:21,200 --> 03:11:26,240
increase the library levy unless you
specifically say it won't. And any of

2593
03:11:24,399 --> 03:11:29,200
that increase then could be added into
the contracts as well and kind of offset

2594
03:11:28,000 --> 03:11:32,880
some of the funding that they're getting
because we I I believe it's still the

2595
03:11:31,120 --> 03:11:36,080
board's intention not to have a
remaining fund balance in these

2596
03:11:34,399 --> 03:11:39,200
restricted funds when we're supposed to
be paying for these services. And so we

2597
03:11:37,520 --> 03:11:42,160
don't want to maintain a fund balance.
We want to pay it to directly to the

2598
03:11:40,560 --> 03:11:46,479
entities with whom we contract.
>> Sure. So chair, can I ask a question? So

2599
03:11:44,800 --> 03:11:51,120
on the library, we can increase the
levies

2600
03:11:47,760 --> 03:11:54,000
» 427 also to offset some of that 320 and
that whatever we do in Hill City,

2601
03:11:53,120 --> 03:11:56,080
Keystone and
>> Yes.

2602
03:11:54,560 --> 03:11:57,520
» Okay. So you'll bring that forward how
we do that.

2603
03:11:56,880 --> 03:12:00,319
» Yep.
>> Yeah, that one. Yes, that that's part of

2604
03:11:58,960 --> 03:12:03,279
the resolution. Basically, you list the
funds, you list the library fund, the

2605
03:12:01,840 --> 03:12:06,720
county consolidated, and you say what
you want to set the max tax at. But I'll

2606
03:12:05,439 --> 03:12:09,520
have the auditor help me with those
numbers to make sure that we've got all

2607
03:12:07,760 --> 03:12:13,920
the valuations, the levies, everything
>> and what those numbers mean. And what

2608
03:12:11,439 --> 03:12:17,760
same with like where we're at with if
you guys are at four or three or two or

2609
03:12:16,000 --> 03:12:21,200
whatever on those levies, what's that
tax increase? Thank you,

2610
03:12:19,680 --> 03:12:25,920
» Jordan. Is it fair to say that we'll
have consideration to do with some of

2611
03:12:23,120 --> 03:12:30,720
the the items that Commissioner was
asked about, the ones that are ongoing

2612
03:12:27,279 --> 03:12:32,000
that we're not meeting? And then the uh
vehicles.

2613
03:12:31,680 --> 03:12:37,359
» Yes.
>> Purchase of new vehicles. Do we need

2614
03:12:34,640 --> 03:12:43,200
those vehicles? That conversation has to
happen in between a little bit. Yep. Um,

2615
03:12:40,640 --> 03:12:45,840
oh no, I just slipped my mind the other.
>> Yeah, I'll be meeting with the

2616
03:12:44,240 --> 03:12:49,200
individual departments again just to try
to make sure that if we've got any

2617
03:12:47,359 --> 03:12:52,479
questions on those budgets because to
Commissioner Dur and Commissioner

2618
03:12:50,319 --> 03:12:56,240
Hadcock's point, um, we've been meeting
with them. Uh, Commissioner Hadcock and

2619
03:12:54,319 --> 03:12:59,600
Kenner met with them once, asked about,
hey, I'm seeing a trend here. And then

2620
03:12:58,080 --> 03:13:02,319
some of them wrote written responses,
some of them just gave us verbal

2621
03:13:00,800 --> 03:13:06,319
responses. I will compile all the
information that we've gotten from them

2622
03:13:04,080 --> 03:13:09,359
communicating what their budgets were
were changing and and uh what what

2623
03:13:08,160 --> 03:13:14,319
that's going to look like for the
>> commission needs to look at growth CPI

2624
03:13:12,240 --> 03:13:18,000
bank CPI and see where that fits into
what we're doing here.

2625
03:13:15,680 --> 03:13:22,560
» Um
so another item I can't

2626
03:13:20,960 --> 03:13:27,680
recall
oh we need to figure out how to at least

2627
03:13:24,720 --> 03:13:31,120
expose our our contingencies on
liabilities that may happen. at least

2628
03:13:29,359 --> 03:13:35,520
have a footnote somewhere that says this
is what we have. I mean, I don't think

2629
03:13:33,279 --> 03:13:41,520
it's very appropriate not to have that
listed somewhere. So, at least having a

2630
03:13:38,399 --> 03:13:45,279
footnote that if this happens and then
we can relook at that policy,

2631
03:13:43,920 --> 03:13:48,800
» you know, more questions here
>> forward. So,

2632
03:13:46,000 --> 03:13:53,840
» so do we what do we do with the 600,000
for cyber stuff that we have to absorb?

2633
03:13:52,239 --> 03:13:57,040
Are we doing a I think I asked you
yesterday and some of it's give and take

2634
03:13:55,520 --> 03:13:58,960
because some of their contracts aren't
going to be there and stuff,

2635
03:13:58,319 --> 03:14:02,720
» right?
>> So, what's that going to do for our

2636
03:14:01,120 --> 03:14:05,760
budget? Are they doing it this year or
next year?

2637
03:14:04,000 --> 03:14:08,479
» See that? I'll have to get with Mike on
that one. I I'll get with it to make

2638
03:14:07,200 --> 03:14:12,239
sure exactly whether or not that's going
to be impacting this year's budget as

2639
03:14:10,399 --> 03:14:14,800
well as or if some of it's going to be
grant funded and what that all looks

2640
03:14:13,520 --> 03:14:17,200
like. So, I'll I'll try to get that
ready for the 17th as well.

2641
03:14:16,080 --> 03:14:23,279
» I appreciate that.
>> Jordan, also just on another note

2642
03:14:20,160 --> 03:14:27,600
and the Our emails are ready for the
commissions. I haven't gotten mine up,

2643
03:14:25,439 --> 03:14:31,520
but it will I'll work on getting that
going. So, if any other commissioner has

2644
03:14:29,680 --> 03:14:36,164
an email or they want the email on their
phone, I think Mike will make that

2645
03:14:33,359 --> 03:14:40,000
available for them. Uh we're slowly
[clears throat] getting back up to par.

2646
03:14:38,000 --> 03:14:44,479
It's it's a lengthy long and lengthy
process and and when you go through this

2647
03:14:42,160 --> 03:14:47,200
process, you start to question whether
you know, are we approaching it

2648
03:14:45,760 --> 03:14:52,720
correctly or are we not approaching it
correctly? And I'll reiterate the same

2649
03:14:49,840 --> 03:14:57,359
fact that we've had conversations with
some of the best cyber security people

2650
03:14:55,439 --> 03:15:01,520
probably in the world that live right
here in our community, which has been

2651
03:14:59,200 --> 03:15:04,800
absolutely fabulous. They say we're
heading in the right direction and I

2652
03:15:03,120 --> 03:15:08,960
understand everybody wants to have a
priority. I get that. And so don't be

2653
03:15:07,359 --> 03:15:12,880
concerned if you're a department head or
whatever and you feel that way. You

2654
03:15:10,160 --> 03:15:18,560
should feel that way. So and and
sometimes things get missed. So, um,

2655
03:15:16,479 --> 03:15:22,960
contact Jordan or myself and we'll try
to help figure out another priority to

2656
03:15:20,800 --> 03:15:27,840
help you get where you're going and
just, you know, but don't don't sit back

2657
03:15:25,200 --> 03:15:31,680
and wait for another entity to answer
your question. That was one thing we

2658
03:15:30,000 --> 03:15:36,479
found out that was probably a weakness
in our in our operation now is that we

2659
03:15:34,319 --> 03:15:41,680
were waiting on the city to make
decisions when they had no reason not to

2660
03:15:38,720 --> 03:15:46,720
just make that decision that day. And so
we'd spent weeks waiting for a a call

2661
03:15:44,960 --> 03:15:51,200
back or something, you know, and so if
you're experiencing that, get a hold of

2662
03:15:48,479 --> 03:15:57,920
Jordan or or just assert yourself. We'll
we'll stand behind you. Um, so but we I

2663
03:15:55,600 --> 03:16:01,920
think the sheriff put it in a good
nutshell for us that there's a lot of

2664
03:15:59,439 --> 03:16:06,319
opportunity for us to
>> we've never I mean I don't think anybody

2665
03:16:03,520 --> 03:16:11,279
in the state of South Dakota had um had
the same situation we've had, but the

2666
03:16:08,640 --> 03:16:17,200
the the mass amount of servers and and
and frontline connections that we have

2667
03:16:14,880 --> 03:16:21,840
to make is incredible. Once you start
realizing that, you can see where the

2668
03:16:18,880 --> 03:16:26,319
massive uh time frame has to happen.
It'll probably be months upon months

2669
03:16:23,760 --> 03:16:30,960
before we can come back with a end of
action report that says here's what

2670
03:16:28,640 --> 03:16:36,880
happened, here's what we found, and
here's what we'll do moving forward. So,

2671
03:16:34,319 --> 03:16:40,800
just keep that in mind and and you know,
run your operation and and but don't

2672
03:16:38,720 --> 03:16:44,880
just sit back and let things happen.
Assert yourselves if you need to. Um, we

2673
03:16:43,600 --> 03:16:48,640
understand that. So,
>> Cody, you have

2674
03:16:47,520 --> 03:16:51,279
» Mr. Chair.
>> Yes, Commissioner Dur.

2675
03:16:49,840 --> 03:16:57,880
» Yeah, one more note. He actually
reminded me of it. Uh, Sheriff Miller.

2676
03:16:54,880 --> 03:16:57,880
Mueller.

2677
03:16:59,680 --> 03:17:03,800
» Brian, thanks for coming forward.

2678
03:17:05,760 --> 03:17:11,560
» So, Camp Rapid Dispatch Center.
>> Yes.

2679
03:17:11,680 --> 03:17:16,920
» The dollars that are required to get
that to be independent.

2680
03:17:17,120 --> 03:17:22,080
» Do we know what Do we have an idea what
that would take? I don't have that

2681
03:17:20,960 --> 03:17:26,960
dollar amount.
>> Okay. Could you guys work on Could you

2682
03:17:24,960 --> 03:17:30,399
guys work on that and get a dollar
amount as to what it would take to get

2683
03:17:28,800 --> 03:17:33,920
to
the Camp Rapid facility independent?

2684
03:17:33,120 --> 03:17:39,120
» Yes.
>> I think Kevin's working on that.

2685
03:17:36,640 --> 03:17:43,760
» Oh, there he is.
>> Hey, Kevin.

2686
03:17:41,439 --> 03:17:48,319
» And we had this conversation once. But
go ahead and commissioner Dur's asking

2687
03:17:45,840 --> 03:17:52,640
what it's going to take to to finish off
the independence of C Rapids.

2688
03:17:50,560 --> 03:17:56,800
» It came up in discussions that it was
previous

2689
03:17:54,479 --> 03:18:01,920
no one there were previous discussions
where the dollars did not want to be put

2690
03:17:58,640 --> 03:18:04,960
into the budget to get that facility
independent.

2691
03:18:02,880 --> 03:18:10,880
» Okay. Well, yes, I understand that. I
can I can address that for you. So what

2692
03:18:08,319 --> 03:18:18,080
we were talking about is the backup CAD
server, not a backup system for Camp

2693
03:18:15,040 --> 03:18:22,080
Rapid. So the backup, we have a main CAD
server and a backup CAD server. We have

2694
03:18:20,399 --> 03:18:25,680
those. It's a shared server with the
highway patrol or sheriff's office,

2695
03:18:23,600 --> 03:18:29,200
police department. So when we were
talking about moving the backup server

2696
03:18:27,359 --> 03:18:33,359
to Camp Rapid, that was just the CAD
server, which wouldn't have affected any

2697
03:18:31,520 --> 03:18:37,840
of the any other county networks. and
our CAD server actually stayed up um

2698
03:18:36,319 --> 03:18:41,760
through this whole outage. We've had a
CAD server. Now, if we're speaking about

2699
03:18:39,840 --> 03:18:47,600
putting the backup center on an entirely
separate county network um or entire

2700
03:18:45,120 --> 03:18:50,000
separate network so that it's always up
regardless what happens to the county

2701
03:18:49,279 --> 03:18:52,239
network.
>> Correct.

2702
03:18:50,640 --> 03:18:56,080
» Okay. That's a conversation that I have
to have with Mike and he's not quite

2703
03:18:53,920 --> 03:19:00,399
there yet because his hands are full um
dealing with his other things. So that's

2704
03:18:57,680 --> 03:19:06,080
more of an IT driven type thing than it
is uh something a conversation that I

2705
03:19:03,520 --> 03:19:09,520
can I can drive. So we're not quite
ready to have that conversation yet, but

2706
03:19:08,239 --> 03:19:13,920
I definitely think it's something that
we need to to look at.

2707
03:19:11,200 --> 03:19:17,520
» All right. And I would just ask that
Jordan, could you take the lead on

2708
03:19:15,600 --> 03:19:23,200
trying to work with those indivi
individuals to get what that dollar

2709
03:19:20,080 --> 03:19:27,600
amount is because it came up that uh you
know without getting into everything

2710
03:19:24,720 --> 03:19:31,680
that uh it would have been nice to have
that functional. [snorts]

2711
03:19:28,960 --> 03:19:37,520
» Yeah. And and we kept most of our
functionality throughout this. Um the

2712
03:19:35,520 --> 03:19:42,319
the biggest challenge we had was we lost
our our connectivity to the NCIC and the

2713
03:19:40,160 --> 03:19:45,600
state actually shut that switch off and
I'm not sure that having it on a

2714
03:19:43,760 --> 03:19:49,359
separate network would have prevented
that but by all means we definitely need

2715
03:19:47,680 --> 03:19:52,800
need to pursue that that possibility. I
agree 100%.

2716
03:19:51,760 --> 03:19:56,640
» All right. Thanks.
>> That's definitely will be something in

2717
03:19:54,800 --> 03:20:02,880
our end of action report is how we
approach that conversation. But I found

2718
03:19:59,279 --> 03:20:06,960
that uh a lot of the programs that the
department heads and and elected

2719
03:20:04,720 --> 03:20:11,279
officials work on or interacted with
third parties and some of the third

2720
03:20:08,399 --> 03:20:14,479
parties have you know they got a
different priority than we do. So we we

2721
03:20:13,040 --> 03:20:20,399
have to assert ourselves in those
positions to say you know we're a

2722
03:20:16,640 --> 03:20:23,520
priority moving forward. So, um, but
that being said, we, you know,

2723
03:20:21,920 --> 03:20:27,760
definitely have a lot of opportunity
there and and a lot of strengths, too.

2724
03:20:25,600 --> 03:20:31,680
I, you know, so there there's a lot of
kudos to be had for some of the things

2725
03:20:29,920 --> 03:20:37,439
that took place, too. So, and we'll have
those discussions, but uh, um, I Jordan,

2726
03:20:35,840 --> 03:20:42,319
is there more that you got to add to
this or, um, so are you getting a good

2727
03:20:40,399 --> 03:20:46,319
idea where we want to be on the 17th?
And then if something comes up in

2728
03:20:44,000 --> 03:20:50,160
between commission, just contact Jordan
and Jordan will contact anybody who's

2729
03:20:48,239 --> 03:20:52,800
involved in that decision or or
something comes up from the department

2730
03:20:51,359 --> 03:20:57,040
heads or somebody, they can contact
Jordan, make sure we get the notes. So

2731
03:20:55,040 --> 03:21:01,840
when we come here on the 17th, we're
we're clear-headed and we have a really

2732
03:20:59,040 --> 03:21:06,080
good idea of what we need to look at and
make some some good decisions on. So,

2733
03:21:04,640 --> 03:21:10,479
um,
>> and just as a a note on the timeline,

2734
03:21:08,080 --> 03:21:13,680
basically we typically try to have the
agenda live the Wednesday before a

2735
03:21:12,399 --> 03:21:17,520
Tuesday meeting, but because this
meeting is going to be on September

2736
03:21:15,439 --> 03:21:20,399
17th, which is a Thursday, we're going
to take most of next week. And so, we

2737
03:21:19,120 --> 03:21:23,760
won't publish the meeting. Won't make
the agenda live until probably about

2738
03:21:21,760 --> 03:21:26,560
Friday. Um, that'll give us a little bit
more time to coordinate with more of the

2739
03:21:25,200 --> 03:21:29,680
departments to try to gather all the
information we have because it would

2740
03:21:28,319 --> 03:21:32,000
have been a little bit difficult to kind
of get everything that we're looking to

2741
03:21:30,960 --> 03:21:35,600
change and everything that we want
updated by next Wednesday. But luckily

2742
03:21:33,680 --> 03:21:38,720
with an extra couple few days, we should
be able to gather and and communicate as

2743
03:21:37,600 --> 03:21:44,160
much as we possibly can.
>> No. And sometimes that needed

2744
03:21:40,239 --> 03:21:45,920
flexibility comes in handy. So um
>> so Mr. Chair,

2745
03:21:45,040 --> 03:21:50,080
» yes, Commissioner.
>> So Jordan, one of the things that I

2746
03:21:48,399 --> 03:21:54,800
think the minutes probably reflected
motions that we have made on the

2747
03:21:51,680 --> 03:21:57,840
provisional budget. Um but will that be
upgraded so that we'll be able to see?

2748
03:21:57,279 --> 03:22:00,479
» Yes.
>> Okay.

2749
03:21:58,160 --> 03:22:03,600
» Yep. I'm going to have the the the full
changes from provisional. I didn't think

2750
03:22:02,239 --> 03:22:06,800
I'd need it today because I didn't think
we were going to approve the final. But

2751
03:22:05,040 --> 03:22:10,239
I will absolutely have that of by
department, by fund, everywhere that we

2752
03:22:08,880 --> 03:22:14,319
have to make changes within the budget
and unfortunately because of personnel,

2753
03:22:12,479 --> 03:22:16,800
it's going to be most budgets are going
to be impacted.

2754
03:22:15,840 --> 03:22:19,840
» Thank you.
>> That's a that's a good point to to be

2755
03:22:19,520 --> 03:22:23,680
made.
>> Yes, there is an executive.

2756
03:22:21,520 --> 03:22:27,359
» Okay. So, um
>> but I would ask that the board make a

2757
03:22:25,359 --> 03:22:29,279
motion to continue the consideration of
the budget. Got it up on the screen

2758
03:22:28,800 --> 03:22:31,920
there.
>> That' be my motion.

2759
03:22:31,120 --> 03:22:35,840
Second. Have
>> a motion from Hancock, second by Dur to

2760
03:22:33,920 --> 03:22:39,600
continue to September 17th. Is that
correct? All in favor say I. I.

2761
03:22:38,319 --> 03:22:45,760
» I.
>> 2026.

2762
03:22:41,359 --> 03:22:49,439
» 2026. Okay. Then we're we go to um item
17. Is that correct? Updates from

2763
03:22:48,160 --> 03:22:52,319
commissioners.
>> Dur Drew. Durr your first nothing.

2764
03:22:51,760 --> 03:22:57,200
Drews.
>> Uh yeah, just a quick one. uh attended

2765
03:22:54,640 --> 03:23:00,640
the complete health uh board meeting
last Thursday

2766
03:22:59,040 --> 03:23:06,560
and [clears throat] they um they
continue to see you know as many

2767
03:23:03,040 --> 03:23:11,279
patients as they have capacity to do
with the ultimate goal of keeping

2768
03:23:08,239 --> 03:23:16,239
patients healthier between visits uh and
out of higher care uh higher cost care

2769
03:23:14,399 --> 03:23:22,239
which I interpret to be outside
emergency rooms. So, uh, continues to

2770
03:23:19,600 --> 03:23:28,000
work for our benefit, uh, relative to
these. They deal with a lot of, uh,

2771
03:23:24,800 --> 03:23:32,960
poverty-stricken, uh, individuals, uh,
through their clinic and, um,

2772
03:23:31,600 --> 03:23:36,319
they they do a great job.
>> I've heard and I've heard good comments

2773
03:23:34,560 --> 03:23:41,439
about that. So, Gary, I was going to ask
you a question because you seem to be

2774
03:23:37,680 --> 03:23:45,920
the resident expert about how we
transition into the half cent sales tax.

2775
03:23:44,239 --> 03:23:48,960
How does can you give us a little bit
short explanation for the audience maybe

2776
03:23:47,760 --> 03:23:56,640
if you could or
>> Sure. Sure. So, so we've adopted it. Uh

2777
03:23:53,439 --> 03:24:01,520
I I don't know if the the 20 I think the
20 days is probably passed at this point

2778
03:23:58,479 --> 03:24:06,720
in time. So, it's uh we're moving
forward. So, we will notify the South

2779
03:24:04,960 --> 03:24:10,640
Dakota Department of Revenue that we've
adopted it that we planned on

2780
03:24:08,399 --> 03:24:18,640
proceeding. That collection then will
begin in January. uh that it'll start

2781
03:24:15,200 --> 03:24:27,600
taking place. Uh as we as we as a
commission adopted it, uh we we did not

2782
03:24:22,080 --> 03:24:33,680
choose to start paying out in 2027.
Uh we chose to give it the year so we

2783
03:24:31,040 --> 03:24:40,640
know exactly how many dollars will come
in uh before that is distributed out to

2784
03:24:37,600 --> 03:24:48,000
the uh property tax payers. Okay. Uh
just again a reminder, not one penny of

2785
03:24:44,720 --> 03:24:51,200
that sales tax comes to the county for
other use. It's total replacement of

2786
03:24:50,319 --> 03:24:55,920
property tax.
>> The scary part is the is the state going

2787
03:24:54,399 --> 03:24:59,600
downstairs in the basement and counting
it and coming back up and said, "Here's

2788
03:24:57,359 --> 03:25:04,239
your share."
>> Yes. Commissioner Ross.

2789
03:25:00,720 --> 03:25:09,600
» So Gary, uh relative to Senate Bill 245,
when would that take effect? I I I

2790
03:25:06,640 --> 03:25:13,200
believe that that uh takes effect uh
>> January 1st.

2791
03:25:10,640 --> 03:25:16,080
» No, I think that takes effect. I don't
know. I think it's I think it's July one

2792
03:25:15,279 --> 03:25:21,279
next year, I think.
>> Okay. So,

2793
03:25:18,720 --> 03:25:26,399
u in a year from now, people in
Pennington County should see some pretty

2794
03:25:23,439 --> 03:25:32,920
significant tax relief.
>> I mean, in in 28.

2795
03:25:28,399 --> 03:25:32,920
» Yep. Starting in 28. Yes.

2796
03:25:34,000 --> 03:25:41,760
We'll we'll weigh with baited breath.
Huh? Okay. Um, Commissioner Hackcock,

2797
03:25:39,040 --> 03:25:45,359
you're next. Um,
>> fair. I went to the first meeting and

2798
03:25:43,439 --> 03:25:49,120
then I didn't feel sick. I felt kind of
yucky, so I went to the demolition derby

2799
03:25:47,520 --> 03:25:53,200
and then we had a meeting on Monday
about what was all happening and then I

2800
03:25:51,040 --> 03:25:57,439
started feeling not very well. So, I
didn't I missed a bunch of the

2801
03:25:55,439 --> 03:26:01,040
opportunity to go to the different fair
events this year, but sounds like they

2802
03:25:59,439 --> 03:26:05,120
were really good. I let people use my
passes that don't usually get a go or

2803
03:26:03,279 --> 03:26:11,359
people that were egg that wanted to
really go, but uh some people were the

2804
03:26:07,920 --> 03:26:16,720
main main issue was that $15 parking. Uh
that was an issue and then some of the

2805
03:26:13,520 --> 03:26:22,560
prices. So um yep, the vents I heard
were amazing. I heard the uh my husband

2806
03:26:19,600 --> 03:26:30,000
and my maintenance guy went to Dallas
went to the um Bron the the national

2807
03:26:25,920 --> 03:26:33,520
final one that they put on. Um it's it
was pretty amazing. The fireworks they

2808
03:26:31,600 --> 03:26:38,000
said just kept going on and on and then
the public were just amazed. So that was

2809
03:26:35,680 --> 03:26:43,200
pretty cool. Um Penny County Housing,
we're moving forward on that rad

2810
03:26:40,080 --> 03:26:47,279
conversion. So that section 8 housing
stuff that we're going to do instead of

2811
03:26:44,960 --> 03:26:51,600
the public uh housing. The difference is
on section 8 instead of just giving them

2812
03:26:49,359 --> 03:26:56,160
a house on public housing, it's based on
your income. So you can do a little bit

2813
03:26:54,160 --> 03:27:00,399
more with that. So we're buying two
properties right now. We already have

2814
03:26:58,160 --> 03:27:04,399
bought one. Um I don't know if I could
tell you which one that is right now.

2815
03:27:01,840 --> 03:27:09,200
And we're in the second one. We'll turn
around some areas in the north side.

2816
03:27:07,840 --> 03:27:15,040
It's going to make a huge difference,
let alone for health and human services

2817
03:27:11,200 --> 03:27:18,479
and others. Uh Alex can probably um
attest to this because that's what he

2818
03:27:16,640 --> 03:27:23,279
does for a living and I kind of see it
through what I do for a living. So um

2819
03:27:21,200 --> 03:27:28,080
it's going to be huge for Rapid City and
the surrounding area and Pennington

2820
03:27:24,640 --> 03:27:32,479
County. um what we're doing um it also
is going to include VASH um we've had

2821
03:27:30,319 --> 03:27:39,680
some major VASH issues trying to get
people with um um housing and hopefully

2822
03:27:36,960 --> 03:27:44,399
with me county and um Alex can probably
tell you more about that. He's he's

2823
03:27:41,439 --> 03:27:48,080
pretty expert on the veteran stuff. Um
it's going to be huge how we're going to

2824
03:27:46,239 --> 03:27:51,840
help the veterans as well. So that was
kind of our goal in the long run when I

2825
03:27:50,239 --> 03:27:55,680
started this as well is to get some
veteran housing for two, three, and four

2826
03:27:53,680 --> 03:27:59,600
bedrooms because we didn't really have
any in Pennington County. So a lot of

2827
03:27:58,000 --> 03:28:04,720
them couldn't get help or even the
reduced uh difference on that bash from

2828
03:28:02,399 --> 03:28:09,920
that. So it's going to be huge. But I'm
pretty excited. We have amazing CEO and

2829
03:28:07,359 --> 03:28:14,319
amazing board. Um and again, we added
Alex and we have some other people from

2830
03:28:12,000 --> 03:28:22,239
uh Elevate, Laura, and then Mr. Maine
who's been in the Teton Coalition. So,

2831
03:28:17,680 --> 03:28:27,840
with that uh team and his team, um he
runs a pretty tight ship over there as a

2832
03:28:24,319 --> 03:28:32,239
CEO. Um really knows his stuff. Anyway,
can't say enough about uh Penny's County

2833
03:28:29,760 --> 03:28:35,120
Housing and uh he already knows not
perfect in everything we do, but we're

2834
03:28:33,920 --> 03:28:38,960
trying to make a difference in the
community and I think we have. So, thank

2835
03:28:38,000 --> 03:28:42,800
you.
>> Perfect. Yeah. Thank sound like you guys

2836
03:28:40,720 --> 03:28:47,040
had a good time according to my text
messages. I kept that was on your group

2837
03:28:44,640 --> 03:28:49,760
text messages. So be careful
>> with the

2838
03:28:49,120 --> 03:28:56,319
me.
>> Okay. So um Mr. Ro.

2839
03:28:54,399 --> 03:29:03,439
» Yeah. The only thing I really attended
was the uh MO for Rapid City and just an

2840
03:29:00,319 --> 03:29:08,399
update on city uh infrastructure
projects and some of the stuff the state

2841
03:29:05,680 --> 03:29:11,680
DOT is doing. Nothing too exciting.
>> Thank you again. I didn't I didn't make

2842
03:29:09,840 --> 03:29:16,160
it to a lot of them last week. I spent a
lot of time trying to bridge some gaps

2843
03:29:13,920 --> 03:29:19,840
with the cyber security stuff and some
of the things that were taking place

2844
03:29:17,520 --> 03:29:23,120
between different
entities. So, we got a lot of that

2845
03:29:21,439 --> 03:29:26,880
resolved. Like I said, we found a lot of
opportunities in there. With that being

2846
03:29:26,000 --> 03:29:28,479
said, uh
>> Mr. Chair,

2847
03:29:27,680 --> 03:29:33,760
» we look for Yep.
>> Yeah. I'm going to move to enter into

2848
03:29:29,680 --> 03:29:38,960
executive session pursuant to SDCL125-2
subsection 3 for the purposes discussion

2849
03:29:36,479 --> 03:29:44,000
discussing pending litigation
and SDCL125-26

2850
03:29:41,840 --> 03:29:47,000
for the purposes to discussing emergency
management.

2851
03:29:47,600 --> 03:29:55,399
» Motion from Dur and second by Drews. All
in favor say I. I. We're in executive

2852
03:29:52,399 --> 03:29:55,399
session.

2853
03:30:01,600 --> 03:30:06,239
I'm going to make a motion to come out
of executive session. Come out of

2854
03:30:04,239 --> 03:30:09,439
executive session. Second. Have a motion
and a second to come out of executive

2855
03:30:07,600 --> 03:30:11,200
session. Motion by Dur. Second by Ros
Connect. All in favor say I.

2856
03:30:10,720 --> 03:30:13,359
» I.
>> Going to make a motion to adjurnn.

2857
03:30:12,720 --> 03:30:17,439
» Second.
>> Have a motion and a second and a third

2858
03:30:16,399 --> 03:30:24,840
from
>> a fourth. All in favor say I. I. Motion

2859
03:30:20,880 --> 03:30:24,840
carries. Thanks guys.