1 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:37,920 Um, >> this is 2 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:31,919 public comment. >> No, not yet. 3 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:35,680 » I think we're ready to go. If you don't already, 4 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,479 » let me call the RO first. >> At this point, are we on? 5 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:44,880 » Yes. >> Okay. At this point, I would like to 6 00:04:40,639 --> 00:04:49,440 welcome you all to the November 26, 2025 Ponopscot County Commissioners meeting. 7 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:50,639 I will call the role of Commissioner Treble 8 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:52,000 » here. >> Commissioner Marshall 9 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,520 » here. >> Mr. Treasurer 10 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:57,040 » here. >> And the chair is here. This point I 11 00:04:55,520 --> 00:05:02,880 would call on the treasurer to lead us in the pledge of allegiance. 12 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:08,320 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 13 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:12,960 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 14 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:18,240 justice for all. >> Thank you very much. Next item on the 15 00:05:15,919 --> 00:05:22,560 agenda would be approval of the November 18th, 2025 meeting minutes. May I have a 16 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,840 motion? >> I move approval. 17 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:30,160 » Thank you. Second motion in a second. Any discussion hearing? None. All those 18 00:05:28,639 --> 00:05:34,080 in favor, please say I. >> I. At this point, we would open for 19 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:39,199 public comment. We allow up to three minutes per individual on items that are 20 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:44,639 not on our agenda. Is there anyone with us in the public that would like to make 21 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:49,680 a comment this morning? Yes, sir. If you would be kind enough to 22 00:05:47,199 --> 00:05:54,000 come forward and introduce yourself. Wayne Maller. I live here in Bangalore. 23 00:05:51,759 --> 00:06:00,800 I just I was curious this morning coming in the building. I noticed an amount of 24 00:05:57,280 --> 00:06:04,960 uh someone's belongings in the entryway and I'm curious as to do you allow 25 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:10,479 people to leave the human was a big box and a backpack and whatnot. 26 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:13,360 How do we know there's not a bone in it? I'm just wondering what's going on with 27 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:18,319 that >> front door. Food. Oh, it is food 28 00:06:15,919 --> 00:06:23,199 donations that apparently we are collecting for the uh the food baskets. 29 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:28,080 » Okay. But I haven't seen it's just looks strange to see all that. 30 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:33,919 » I I believe the building is secured at the entryway so you have to buzz in. So 31 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:38,240 you're allowing people to leave items in the entryway, Mary. And is that how 32 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:44,479 » we are that's in the vest? >> It's certainly a valid issue. We'll ask 33 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:48,560 sheriff what would be the protocols to to address that. 34 00:06:45,919 --> 00:06:51,520 » It's not a big deal, but it's just we're having more issues everywhere. 35 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:54,240 » I understand completely. I appreciate you bringing it to our attention. 36 00:06:53,039 --> 00:06:58,880 » Thank you. >> Any others present that would like to 37 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:02,680 provide public comment on items that are not on today's agenda? 38 00:07:03,199 --> 00:07:10,800 » Do we have We still have no one. Okay. At this point, I will close our public 39 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:15,599 comment section. I would invite our UT director and assistant to come forward 40 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:18,720 for their portion of the agenda. >> Good morning. 41 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:21,720 » Good morning. Morning. 42 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:28,960 [clears throat] Pretty brief. 43 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:32,479 Uh we don't have a lot of stuff to discuss. 44 00:07:30,479 --> 00:07:38,880 Milan Marathon the half has been going on for so many years now. Um we just 45 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:42,960 need you to approve the um the permit. Uh we've always had the county 46 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:49,440 administrator sign, but we're kind of in limbo here for today at least. Um so u 47 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:51,440 you put my name on signing the permit. >> Okay. 48 00:07:49,759 --> 00:07:55,360 » Um but we do need you to vote for approve to authorize there running the 49 00:07:54,479 --> 00:07:58,800 marathon [clears throat] and a half again. 50 00:07:57,039 --> 00:08:02,800 » I would move approval as well as waiting the fee. 51 00:07:59,919 --> 00:08:06,080 » Okay. B2 I'll 52 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:11,599 » thank you. I do have one question. Is this a revenue source for the Marathon 53 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:16,479 or for an entity in Milan? >> No, not that I'm aware of. However, 54 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,919 everybody in Milanino, this thing draws huge crowds. 55 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,720 » Mhm. >> And uh all businesses seem to gain quite 56 00:08:20,479 --> 00:08:28,160 a bit during this process, but I don't believe there's any revenue stream from 57 00:08:25,199 --> 00:08:33,200 the marathon people themselves. >> Okay. So, it's more of an economic 58 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:37,200 development in the area. >> I 59 00:08:34,959 --> 00:08:43,599 mean, we've historically done that. I I just feel that we need to be sensitive 60 00:08:39,519 --> 00:08:49,760 to any revenue streams for the county in the future. So we'll 61 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:54,240 have any further discussion. >> See none. All those in favor please 62 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:58,000 signify by saying I >> I it is unanimous of those present. Next 63 00:08:56,560 --> 00:09:02,800 item, new salt and >> before we move down, we normally on that 64 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:08,000 topic on the marathon and a half, we wave the $50 application fee for the 65 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:09,600 » part. That was part of his motion. Werfect. 66 00:09:09,279 --> 00:09:12,080 » Yeah, >> you're way ahead of me. 67 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:17,040 » Okay. >> I missed it. Thank you. 68 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:21,760 » Uh the new salt sanded we've been talking about now for close to a year. 69 00:09:19,680 --> 00:09:27,920 Ever since Drew deorgganized, >> the closest sand shed we have to for the 70 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:33,920 8 and 12 miles of road that we ser plow and service in Drew um is not big enough 71 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:38,800 to handle Drew Apprentice and Ching and McWahawk cuz we work neighbors with 72 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:42,959 McWah hawk and our contractor plows and sands owns and we charge them a storage 73 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:48,000 fee for their sand. They charge them for the sand. Um so we're not going to have 74 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,839 a big enough shed. For the last two years, we haven't had a manup shed. So, 75 00:09:49,600 --> 00:09:56,480 we've had to pile material untreated outside and then move it in in the dead 76 00:09:53,440 --> 00:10:01,360 of winter and it's not economically it's not working very well. We've had to do 77 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:05,440 it for 2 years. So, we proposed building on the land we own, the county UT owns, 78 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:10,720 right beside the fire station in Kingdom, we proposed building a small 79 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:14,880 sand shed and break that big cloud contract into two small ones. 80 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:18,640 » It gives us a bigger opportunity for other contractors to take part. 81 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:22,480 because right now you need three full-time trucks and a span truck and 82 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:25,279 that's really a big job for a lot of people. So if we break it in half, I 83 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:30,480 think we'll get some more contractors bidding on it when it comes up next 84 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:34,640 year. Um so what we've done this summer and it's taken us all summer to do, we 85 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:37,680 just got it finished last week, was we had to identify the site where we could 86 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:42,880 build it, where could we legally build it, where it fit LUPC land use planning 87 00:10:40,399 --> 00:10:46,880 commission rules and where it didn't interrupt any vernal pools. So, we had 88 00:10:44,959 --> 00:10:50,880 to have the soils done, the water's done. We had to pay for all those soil 89 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:55,839 tests, and we've identified a spot to build it. So, all we've done so far at 90 00:10:53,120 --> 00:11:00,480 this point, we got about $3,600 invested in engineering to identify where we can 91 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:07,519 build it legitimately. Uh, we've done that. Our next step would be to design 92 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:13,519 the building. Um, rough conversations with uh Plymouth Engineering, who helped 93 00:11:10,079 --> 00:11:17,920 us with a site plan. um they're talking about in order to fit, 1200 yards in 94 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:23,200 there, we need somewhere around a 50 by75 building. 95 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:30,079 And at today's building cost, they're looking at $240 to $260 a square foot. 96 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:35,200 So, you're looking at over $900,000 to build. We weren't prepared for that. We 97 00:11:33,279 --> 00:11:39,279 uh we had some money put aside in escrow, but nowhere's near enough. Uh we 98 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:43,519 planned on using a little bit of the tiff money because it is an identified 99 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:49,200 source in the tiff district. >> But um from here forward, I'm just not 100 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:54,640 looking for any approval to start the building design. That's another 45 101 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:59,839 $4,800 to engineer the building design. Um, I'm looking to go talk to a couple 102 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:03,200 of contractors who build these sheds on a routine basis and find out what we 103 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,240 could how we could design them and build them differently that we might save 104 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:12,160 ourselves $100,000 somewhere. So, I'm just letting 105 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:17,279 you know that we do have a site plan paid for and approved um but we haven't 106 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:21,120 done any more than that with it. So, we've got a lot of work to do to 107 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:24,880 identify um how can we build it different uh and still get the the type 108 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:32,880 of building we need. >> Have you ever been by the uh the docking 109 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:36,880 area down in Portland and seen those uh >> Oh, yes. I've seen the docks where they 110 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,680 got the plastic or rubber buildings, whatever. 111 00:12:37,680 --> 00:12:43,279 » I believe there's a company in southern Maine that that makes something like 112 00:12:42,079 --> 00:12:48,079 that. I've been in a number of facilities. I think they're called rum 113 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:52,800 rhub. It may be different. >> I have plans for those on my desk that I 114 00:12:50,399 --> 00:12:58,240 got through the DOT. So by working with Peter Coughlin at the DOT, um we I've 115 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:01,680 identified all the new ways they've been building buildings five [clears throat] 116 00:12:59,519 --> 00:13:03,360 or six years, but I haven't gone to those people and talked. 117 00:13:02,959 --> 00:13:06,399 » Sure. >> So today's was just anformational 118 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:10,320 meeting to let you know that we're not spending any more money on engineering 119 00:13:07,680 --> 00:13:14,560 till we find a building we'd like to try to do. Try to build. 120 00:13:12,079 --> 00:13:19,279 » Great. How much is in reserve for that? >> I've got 108,000 in escrow and we were 121 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:24,079 playing with a number of another three or 400,000 out of tiff, but I don't 122 00:13:21,839 --> 00:13:26,880 think it's going to come close. >> So, we got to be careful if we build 123 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,680 what we build. >> These are not a heated facility, but 124 00:13:30,079 --> 00:13:36,399 they have to be protected from the elements and have the the roll out doors 125 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:41,600 so you can get down your equipment. the town of Drew, we own as as a county, we 126 00:13:38,959 --> 00:13:46,639 own about a quarter of an acre of land up there where they used to have their 127 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:51,279 salt pile. Um because of liability reasons, um we don't want to build 128 00:13:48,959 --> 00:13:56,959 there. Um there isn't room enough to build on that quarter of an acre and the 129 00:13:54,639 --> 00:14:01,199 soft pile already has some ground contamination, so we don't want to add 130 00:13:58,560 --> 00:14:05,839 to that. So, it's not a piece of property we could sell without telling 131 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:10,240 somebody else a liability. According to the DP, whoever owns it, liable for what 132 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:13,760 happens in the future. So, nobody's going to be interested in buying that 133 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:17,920 property off. I've talked to the neighboring landowner and uh if we if we 134 00:14:16,079 --> 00:14:23,600 sign off on the liability, you buy it, but um it's got no value. 135 00:14:21,519 --> 00:14:27,440 So, we're going to build a facility undercover. Are [clears throat] there 136 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:32,399 programs through D that you're aware of that could help mitigate any? 137 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:38,399 » We've been working with the D on that since we took over drill um to find out 138 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:43,360 what you could do there. Um and we haven't resolved anything yet. There 139 00:14:40,959 --> 00:14:47,680 isn't really much we could do. U it would be massively expensive to clean 140 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:52,720 all the salt up out of there cuz you know salt migrates so it would be 141 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:56,160 difficult. There's no homes anywhere near it. No wells anywhere's near it, so 142 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:59,760 we're safe for for tomorrow. >> Great. Well, thank you. So, no action 143 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:03,680 today on that. Just >> no action. Just an update for you guys 144 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,560 to know that we're still working to try and identify a building that we can 145 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,639 afford. >> Question. 146 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:12,000 » Yes, please. >> So, you're open to the rub style fabric 147 00:15:10,959 --> 00:15:15,440 building and not just >> I am once I learn more about longevity. 148 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,600 Yeah. >> They have a very good track record. 149 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,079 » They do. >> Yeah. And they'd be happy to come up and 150 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,040 and check. >> Okay. So, you've experienced 151 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:26,959 » I have not talked to them recently, but I've had business with them before. 152 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:31,600 Looked very hard at using their building instead of one we built, which was over 153 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,000 $900,000. Theirs would have been considerably 154 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,959 cheaper. >> Well, that that's the information we're 155 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:42,959 looking for is stuff like that. >> We built a 120 by 85. 156 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:47,360 » Yeah, we've got six alanches in the county in our in the UT that we maintain 157 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:51,680 now. So, I hate to put another one out there to maintain. We looked at we 158 00:15:49,839 --> 00:15:56,000 looked at growing the current one we have adding to it so we could fit the 159 00:15:53,680 --> 00:16:00,240 sand under underneath it but it's so far from the roads in Kingman that it just 160 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:04,000 adds to the cost of the plowing contract. So we're hoping to reduce some 161 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:07,440 cost over time. >> The nice part about the rub building is 162 00:16:05,839 --> 00:16:12,240 you can pick it up and move it if you need to decade down the road and if 163 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:17,360 piece of equipment punches a hole in it, it can be fixed. It's not like a hole in 164 00:16:15,199 --> 00:16:21,920 the wood. I've I've been in several facilities. There's a sports complex in 165 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:28,639 Roderville that uses that. There's a number of large facilities down on the 166 00:16:24,959 --> 00:16:33,199 docks in Portland. U it it seems to be and I've seen them nationally, too. It's 167 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:37,839 not just in Maine, but it it is nice to know that there's a local company that 168 00:16:35,279 --> 00:16:43,120 could provide that level of uh maintenance if necessary. Well, that's 169 00:16:40,079 --> 00:16:46,880 our job over the winter is to identify a better building that fits our needs. 170 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:49,120 So you have Rub's contact information because 171 00:16:47,199 --> 00:16:54,399 » I do [clears throat] from the DOT. Okay. >> Yeah. Thank you, George. Um, 172 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:59,600 » our regional animal control officer, it's annual time to renew all of our 173 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:06,079 contracts with our 17 towns that we work with. Um, we're looking at she's 174 00:17:02,959 --> 00:17:11,839 currently at 1775 an hour and we're looking at u somewhere around a 3% 175 00:17:08,799 --> 00:17:16,079 increase. give her 1825 and 176 00:17:13,679 --> 00:17:23,120 we this is the individual we supplied the the the video code to 177 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:30,640 » Yep. Yep. And that's um that we charge the towns uh 57 cents a mile for her 178 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:35,039 efforts and um we haven't increased that in a very long time. But I know that's 179 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:38,400 the standard that the county lives by now. And so until the county reviews 180 00:17:37,039 --> 00:17:42,400 what you're going to pay back the personal mileage, it we'll be this 181 00:17:40,559 --> 00:17:46,000 contract will have another 57 cents a mile in it until we review as a county 182 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:52,600 what we want to do. And I think we generally align with the federal 183 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:52,600 allowances for mileage. State 184 00:17:53,120 --> 00:18:00,480 » I I think they generally are, but if you might just have somebody maybe if there 185 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:04,720 was somebody from finance here that knew that maybe they could assist you in 186 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:09,360 updating the commission so we can vote on that. And 187 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:12,320 » George, that uh that's for personal vehicles, right? 188 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:16,720 » Yeah. Paying back for personal buyers. Do any any animal control officers have 189 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:19,919 they have county vehicles that you're aware of anywhere? 190 00:18:17,919 --> 00:18:23,600 » Yeah, Hancock County has a regional animal control officer that has 191 00:18:21,360 --> 00:18:28,400 » All others are personal vehicles. >> I I think Lincoln County may run theirs 192 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:32,400 through the sheriff's department, too. So, they may be providing. I met the 193 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:36,880 lady when I was down there a few months ago. They have one person that covers 194 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:38,799 almost all of Lincoln County's community. 195 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:42,240 » We have two other animal control officers and they take personal mileage, 196 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:47,799 use their personal vehicle. They're not they're not covering anywhere. 197 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,799 » How does our accomp? 198 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:58,480 » Very well. So far, you know, they work they coordinate back and forth. If u if 199 00:18:55,919 --> 00:19:01,760 one of the organized towns has an acco that they pay and they go on vacation, 200 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:05,280 they'll hire us. [clears throat] Like right now, Howland and Enfield, we don't 201 00:19:03,679 --> 00:19:11,120 do them full-time. We only do that when they're ACO. Is there a renumeration 202 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:14,799 involved in that or is it just a courtesy? 203 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:19,280 » It's a it's a it's a contract we have with 204 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:22,160 them. So they pay time and mileage >> only when we put in time and mile. 205 00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:26,960 There's no stip. >> Is this the one is this for next 206 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:33,039 calendar year this contract? >> Uh the acco contracts all calendar. 207 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:41,280 » I would move we approve this adjust by 1825. Okay. We have a motion to increase 208 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:43,520 the uh acco pay as recommended by UT director. 209 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:48,880 » 1825. I'll second >> 1875. 210 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:54,480 » 1825. 1775. Right. Now, right be correct. 1825 from 1775. 211 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,320 » It's a 50 cent >> increase. Okay. 212 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:59,760 » All right. >> Yeah. I second. 213 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:04,240 » I have a motion to second. Further discussion hearing none. All those in 214 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:08,000 favor, please say I. I >> I unanimous. 215 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:14,160 » Just for discussion purposes, we've been charging for many years now 3% 216 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:19,200 administration fee on top of the mileage and hourly rate. I don't think this is a 217 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:24,080 good year to increase our administrative fee to our towns, but we ought to review 218 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:30,880 that in the future and maybe we can put that on the list the budget advisory and 219 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:36,559 strategic plan to look at fees. That would be administrative fees 220 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:39,559 to the communities. Um, 221 00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:44,559 » I don't think this would be a very good year to ask for another increase in 222 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:48,720 administrative. >> And then there's also the mileage 223 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:52,400 question, which I think Brenda's here, so she's aware of our interest. 224 00:20:50,159 --> 00:20:56,720 » Administrative fees to UTS only. >> This would be administrative fees that 225 00:20:54,480 --> 00:21:00,640 we would assess to communities for services provided to them. So right now 226 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:04,000 we're talking about animal control. >> Yeah. 227 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:07,600 » But we should probably inventory other services where we may collaborate with 228 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:12,000 communities. >> So not necessarily just 229 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:18,000 » Yeah. Any other comments or questions on that? 230 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:22,799 » The ambulance contract we talked about last week. I went back to the director 231 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:27,520 of the patent ambulance. um his select board has told him that no more 232 00:21:25,039 --> 00:21:32,080 multi-year contracts uh until things iron out uh cost and expense wise. So, 233 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,600 we're only going to get the one-year contract. So, it's a $30,000. 234 00:21:34,159 --> 00:21:40,000 » Everybody's kind of skittish on that issue right now until st until prices 235 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:44,480 stabilize. >> Everybody's nervous because they don't 236 00:21:41,120 --> 00:21:47,919 want to get stuck holding a contract to a three-year contract and then have 237 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:51,360 things change again. >> The one year, right? You just have to go 238 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,080 see if we can do longer than You approved one year. We You didn't list it 239 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:55,039 as an update. >> Yeah. 240 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:59,440 » Yeah. >> We had January one to December December 241 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:03,280 31st of next year, right? >> Just to make it simpler and more 242 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:08,559 continuous. [laughter] >> We keep asking for multi-year contracts. 243 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:13,600 It's getting harder to get those. Yeah. >> And Hammond Ridge is just an update 244 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:18,159 where as you remember that Matt Pstein from New England Outdoor Center has 245 00:22:15,120 --> 00:22:21,520 started a has applied for and applied for permitting of a very [clears throat] 246 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:28,240 large development up there adding on to his complex. So we met with Matt um some 247 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:32,640 months ago and his lawyers and we're trying to come up with 248 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:38,799 » if a uh tax increment finance program is even feasible uh for this project. And 249 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:43,360 uh this is the second meeting and the second step in a long process. We don't 250 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:48,080 know if uh we know that the whole project cannot be taxing financed. Parts 251 00:22:46,559 --> 00:22:52,240 and pieces of it are residential and therefore don't fit the program. 252 00:22:49,919 --> 00:22:56,720 However, there are commercial aspects of the development that we can do some kind 253 00:22:54,480 --> 00:23:00,799 of a tip program with. But at what financing value and uh and how much work 254 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:04,000 and what cost is it going to be? So, we're going to identify what it's going 255 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:09,360 to cost us to get this program off the ground and then find out if if and how 256 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:13,440 much it might be to benefit us through the taxing finance program. 257 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:18,240 » And our our attorneys are working with their attorneys on ironing out these 258 00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:21,760 » eyeing out the cost and the feasibility. >> Yeah. And so, I just want to let you 259 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:25,840 know when we meet at Redmond and Win on the second. Um, 260 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:30,480 » is that down here, George? It's I think it's on your agenda, but I 261 00:23:29,120 --> 00:23:34,320 don't think you have it in your schedule to do it. 262 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:36,640 » December 2nd >> at their 263 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,640 » at 1:30 at Redmond Hotel >> at their bang. 264 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,720 » Yes. >> Oh, that's right here in Bangalore, 265 00:23:40,159 --> 00:23:46,640 right? >> You're all welcome. Um fun to learn. 266 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:48,880 » No, but we're going to be here on the third 267 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,760 commission. >> It's just an information to let you guys 268 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:55,120 know where we're at on that process. Yeah, 269 00:23:53,360 --> 00:24:00,640 » it may not even make sense to have a tiff district up there. We don't know 270 00:23:56,559 --> 00:24:03,840 yet. So, this is a big step. >> That's all we have 271 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:07,679 » except for questions from >> one thing that came in very late in the 272 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:12,320 week. I forgot to tell you about um I mentioned it at our uh department head 273 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:17,360 meeting, but officially uh the town of Maxfield is going to take a 274 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:22,159 deorgganization vote on December 15th. Um, so Commissioner Mars and I are 275 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:26,720 planning on attending that. Um, and if if [clears throat] they 276 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:31,200 vote to be organized, it's it's a long process. It could be a year, year and a 277 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:34,320 half before they get to that point. So, uh, we'll keep they [clears throat] 278 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:38,400 haven't voted yet. We we went through this last fall with Webster and they 279 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:42,400 voted not to do, so it could still fall apart. 280 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,840 » Just anformational note. >> Appreciate it. You bet. All right. Thank 281 00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:50,159 you. Have a great day. >> You too. Happy Thanksgiving 282 00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:55,919 » and to you as well. >> Next up is 283 00:24:52,640 --> 00:25:00,400 » Wendy Dana advisory committee discussion. 284 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:04,080 » Good morning. Good morning. >> Welcome back. 285 00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:05,760 » I haven't met you yet. I'm Wendy Dana. >> Thank you. 286 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,039 » Pleasure. What's your name? >> Gary Lamb. 287 00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:12,960 » Gary. >> Just like the furry little critter. 288 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:16,320 » Okay. Not not as furry. >> Hello. 289 00:25:13,919 --> 00:25:18,400 » Hello. So tell us what you have to share this morning. 290 00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:22,000 » Oh, I got to change my glasses. >> Okay. 291 00:25:20,159 --> 00:25:24,720 » All right. And Ryan, is Jamie on? 292 00:25:23,679 --> 00:25:28,960 » Yes, she is. >> Oh, lovely. Good morning. 293 00:25:26,559 --> 00:25:32,159 » Good morning. >> Do you want to kick us off or would you 294 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:35,600 like me to? >> This is the chair for the opioid 295 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:39,679 advisory committee, Jamie Beck. >> Oh, Jamie. Oh, 296 00:25:37,679 --> 00:25:43,360 » hi. Good morning. [sighs and gasps] Thank you for allowing us to come back 297 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:48,720 and talk with you all this morning. Um, I appreciate being able to come in by 298 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:54,000 Zoom. I've got a turkey in the oven. Um, I just wanted to uh say again, thank you 299 00:25:51,679 --> 00:25:58,720 for uh the opportunity to continue to serve on this committee. We uh have 300 00:25:56,559 --> 00:26:04,640 received all of the applications and the application process did close on the 301 00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:09,440 15th. Uh we received 33 in total and those have been divvied up amongst the 302 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:13,440 committee members. um each of us or each application is going to be scored by 303 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:18,720 three of us and we'll take an average of the scores and uh talk about how that 304 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:23,919 all shakes out once we're done with our scoring uh which we anticipate to be by 305 00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:27,440 December 10th so that we can have our collective meeting on the 17th and have 306 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:33,600 a recommendation to you before Christmas. So, thank you. 307 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:39,120 » That is our current strategy plan for being able to get this done as quickly 308 00:26:35,360 --> 00:26:44,720 and as well as possible. Um, we have learned many things along the 309 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:50,240 way through this application process. Uh, mostly that we want to um have a 310 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:55,760 different software platform for any future um application processes that we 311 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:58,559 would be helping out with. Um, this one ended up being a little bit more 312 00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:03,520 cumbersome than we all wanted it to be and we're uh going to work those kinks 313 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:06,320 out for sure. Um, Wendy, did you have anything else you wanted to add about 314 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:13,039 any of that? >> No, I think it went really well. Um, 315 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:16,320 there is going to be some collaboration with the city as well and I did 316 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,640 encourage >> city of Bangor. 317 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:24,400 » Yeah. Yeah. And you now you threw me. 318 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:29,440 » Sorry about that. probably my to me the city of San Francisco, [laughter] 319 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:34,559 the city of Bangor. Yes. So I have uh sent a template over to 320 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:40,400 Carolyn who is the uh city manager so that it was the one that we used for 321 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:45,919 ARPA and um you know whenever they're ready we'll go through it and you know 322 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:52,480 look at anyone that has um applied to both and so far I mean we have quite a 323 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:56,240 few some of the folks we know of you know that we've worked with in the past 324 00:27:54,320 --> 00:28:01,279 um doing recovery and and some that are new to me that I haven't heard of. So, 325 00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:05,440 um it'll be nice to see and I I just started reading through the applications 326 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:09,279 and then I'll go back through it again. Um but it'll be nice to see what kind of 327 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,640 projects they're going to be putting forward for this. 328 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:16,480 » Wendy, uh we're looking at is it December 17th you're going to make your 329 00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:21,200 recommendation to the commission on on our meeting on the 17th? December 17th. 330 00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:26,480 » The Well, let's see. >> It's the 23rd was it? Or 331 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:32,159 » correct? So, our committee is going to be meeting on the 17th so that we can 332 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:36,240 have our conversation and then from that meeting we will be um able to give what 333 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:40,159 we've come up with for our recommendations to include in your 334 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:44,640 packets for the following week. >> Okay. And on the 23rd when you after 335 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:50,000 you've made your recommendation, what do you envision? Uh are we are we going to 336 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:53,039 be in a position to vote on these at that point on the 23rd? 337 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,799 Is that what you're >> We're hoping so. [clears throat] 338 00:28:54,399 --> 00:29:02,640 Yes, we're hoping to be able to give you our recommendation for with the $400,000 339 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:08,000 available, these are the projects that we're recommending for award and uh we 340 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:12,399 would be looking to you to approve them um at that point. 341 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:14,960 » Okay, great. Okay, wonderful. And do we know how many there are right now? 342 00:29:14,159 --> 00:29:19,760 » 33. >> 33. 343 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:26,159 You you had mentioned Jamie that you had divided those to three members of the 344 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:30,159 committee. Do we still have a fourth member from the recovery committee? I 345 00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:34,240 believe we appointed a fourth member if I'm not mistaken. 346 00:29:32,159 --> 00:29:40,320 » Correct. So actually there are six of us on the committee total and all six of us 347 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:45,360 are going to be doing the scoring for the entirety of these applications. But 348 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:49,840 each application will only have three of us scoring it just so that we're not 349 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:54,240 each having to do 33 applications. That's a lot to try and accomplish and 350 00:29:51,919 --> 00:29:58,799 do well uh to review in a short amount of time. So each application will have 351 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:02,320 three scorers. Um so each of us are doing either 16 or 17 applications 352 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:07,120 total. >> So you you developed an internal uh 353 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:11,679 scoring process that you are going to present at that time. 354 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:16,000 » Yes. So when we were working with the MOSS center, they came up with and 355 00:30:13,679 --> 00:30:22,080 presented to us and we uh went through and uh solidified using their template 356 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:25,919 uh scoring rubric. So there are 10 different categories with which we're 357 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:30,960 going to review each one of the applications. Um and I not sure if that 358 00:30:29,679 --> 00:30:36,080 made it into your packet, but we're happy to send that along. Um but of 359 00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:41,600 course there things on there like um did they follow the directions of the 360 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:45,279 application. Um looking at the lead organization's description and project 361 00:30:43,679 --> 00:30:50,320 personnel looking at the project description. Um the goal areas the 362 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:55,679 rationale and the data to support the need for the project. Looking at the 363 00:30:52,399 --> 00:31:00,559 timeline feasibility sustainability that kind of thing and the scope of the work. 364 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:04,559 So, these are pretty um objective measures that we're going to be looking 365 00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:08,720 at. Um and again, this is a template that the MOS center has come up with and 366 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:15,039 other entities who've worked with the MOS Center to uh score these kinds of 367 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:19,159 RFPs for opioid settlement funding have used a very similar process. 368 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:28,799 » And we do use the Moss Group for um we use them for PRIA. um they were really 369 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:34,720 helpful with uh working with the department of justice when they came out 370 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:41,200 um for the mental health grant. So they really do work with a lot of um 371 00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:42,720 a lot of different government entities. So 372 00:31:42,399 --> 00:31:47,200 » uh >> they have a good background. 373 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:51,120 » Uh I'm assuming we approve uh those applicants or some of those applicants 374 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,000 on that day. What do we uh what time frame are doing? I mean that'd be a 375 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:59,360 great Christmas present. I mean, it's on the 23rd. Uh, when do you when did we 376 00:31:57,519 --> 00:32:06,880 when would we anticipate checks getting into the hands of the of the applicants? 377 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:12,399 » Well, I I think from my perspective, just myself, uh, we would follow a 378 00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:19,600 similar course that we did with the ARPA money and we would not just write the 379 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:24,320 checks to everyone if there were capital projects or some level. Is that how you 380 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:29,279 kind of envision this? >> Like a pay down type of scenario. 381 00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:33,840 » To be honest, this is such a small amount of money. You know what I mean? 382 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:40,159 This is not a draw down process because this is, you know, up to or right under 383 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:43,519 50 grand. So, it would really be like when you gentlemen did the 384 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:49,200 commissioner's fund, right? >> The commissioner's fund is a it's not a 385 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:53,279 large amount. So, we don't need to u do a draw down process. Obviously, we're 386 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:58,720 going to want to know, okay, when is the project in in mind? When are you able to 387 00:32:55,919 --> 00:33:02,240 kick it off? What does it involve? Um, some of these are going to be small 388 00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:08,720 amounts of no, we would not, you know, if they're like $10,000 or something. 389 00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:13,440 But I would say that um yeah, we want to I'm the way that I'm looking at this 390 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:18,480 logically and knowing how we worked with ARPA is yes, we will be able to give you 391 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:23,360 the applications that we want to put forward um for you to consider. I know 392 00:33:21,679 --> 00:33:32,000 it's going to take time for you to look at the applications and um you're going 393 00:33:28,159 --> 00:33:36,720 to have questions, I would think. So I'm not trying to poo poo it being fast. I'm 394 00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:42,960 just saying logically it's going to take a little bit of time for us to for you 395 00:33:39,039 --> 00:33:46,559 to go through them and decide what you want, you know, how you feel 396 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:50,720 about it. So, and obviously, you know, we know what we're doing. I would hope 397 00:33:48,159 --> 00:33:53,760 so. We're not willy-nilly picking people. Um, 398 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:56,080 » you've got a pretty good track record with us when 399 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:59,840 » Yeah. >> And so do the people on the C. I mean, 400 00:33:57,919 --> 00:34:05,200 look at like Pat Kimble, you know, like there's there's folks that work um with 401 00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:10,399 larger entities. So, My guess would be that this is not something that we want 402 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:13,919 to take weeks brewing over, you know, and yes, they are going to need this 403 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:16,480 funding. And if some of them need it for warming shelters, I would say sooner 404 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:21,599 rather than later. >> Well, that's what I'm thinking. I I I 405 00:34:18,079 --> 00:34:24,960 think get it out the door cuz it's not these are all going to be these all 406 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:29,679 under 50, right? >> Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. So, and the only 407 00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:33,599 time it would be more still wouldn't be more than 50 is if we collaborated on 408 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:40,560 something with the city. >> So, and they should have, you know, 409 00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:44,960 their decisions out pretty soon as well. >> We only collaborate with Bangor. What 410 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:48,000 about I don't believe they >> didn't actually get any opioid 411 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:52,800 settlement funds. The only other local entity who did was old um Oro and I 412 00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:55,520 believe they've already allocated all of their funds that they have currently 413 00:34:54,059 --> 00:34:58,720 [clears throat] or >> they allocated 414 00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:02,960 » it. They did and they're so small to be honest. Like I've tried to reach out 415 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:06,800 before on stuff and and it isn't it's just not very significant. So I know 416 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:09,280 that they have whatever >> I don't want to snub anybody else and 417 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,480 just get >> Yeah, of course. 418 00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:18,720 » But they also don't have like the service requests that Banglord does. No, 419 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:22,640 I understand that this is this is the ground zero for 420 00:35:20,240 --> 00:35:25,440 » for services for the county. I understand that. 421 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:30,560 » I think where this is a new experience for the both the opioid advisory 422 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:36,640 committee and the commission. We we certainly want to understand the scope 423 00:35:33,359 --> 00:35:41,760 of what we're doing. And personally, my takeaway is that whatever we do to 424 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:47,040 collaborate and assure that this is not a one-time 425 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:51,839 hit that that we're developing some level of plan for how this money could 426 00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:56,720 be applied because I think we're all cognizant of the fact that the amount we 427 00:35:54,560 --> 00:36:01,119 have will not solve the problem. But wherever it can be multiplied in its 428 00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:06,880 effectiveness and of course 429 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:12,240 it is incumbent on us to to reflect on what it means to the county and our 430 00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:18,320 correctional facilities and their needs before we we commit to long-term plans 431 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,480 that could absorb all of the remaining money. 432 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:25,520 » Well, and I want people to realize too that are listening online or out there 433 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:29,035 that um this is not a lot of money. You know, unfortunately, I wish we had 434 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,240 millions and millions given [clears throat and cough] to us, but you 435 00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:37,280 know, per year, we're only looking at, which may sound like a lot to some, but 436 00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:43,280 to actually affect change, we only are going to be seeing about, you know, 437 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:47,760 between 200 and 300,000 per year and it just trickles down. So 438 00:36:46,079 --> 00:36:51,920 um we really want to take advantage of what 439 00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:58,079 we can as far as you know the amount of money that we are seeing and making it 440 00:36:54,960 --> 00:37:04,160 be useful but you know we can only do so much with with what we have. 441 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:08,000 » I appreciate that. I I think the other factor I would just ask due 442 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:12,880 consideration is that you coordinate with the finance director in in terms of 443 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:16,880 when these payments would go up. >> Absolutely. 444 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:21,040 Right. >> Yes. 445 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:24,960 » Okay. The treasurer has some thoughts on that that I'm sure he and the finance 446 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,240 director will work with. >> Yeah, sounds good. 447 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:32,640 » Now, because I have you here and I don't want to scurry off too fast, Jamie had 448 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:39,280 presented some paperwork that we have put in your binder for you to have a 449 00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:44,400 look at. Um, and this is the request for strategic guidance. So, it's 450 00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:49,520 going forward and it's uh Jamie, do you have it in front of you? 451 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:53,359 » Yes, I do. >> You can take it away if you'd like, but 452 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:57,440 um >> I just want to make sure we get 453 00:37:55,119 --> 00:38:00,079 » beforehand. Have we had a chance as the commissioners to look at this? 454 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:05,280 » I haven't seen this. >> Okay. I I think I respect 455 00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:10,079 » there were a number of questions. It appears that these were reduced to a 456 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:14,160 about four. >> Yep. I'm not prepared to give answers 457 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,839 today on all of these questions. >> You were or aren't? 458 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:22,560 » I am not. >> You are not. Okay. So, okay. So, when 459 00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:25,760 are when are you do you think going to be able to have a look at them? 460 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:31,680 » I think we need to have that discussion before we I understand the committee's 461 00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:36,720 desire to do this, but we're looking at a first round that we've not had a lot 462 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:41,440 of experience. While we've done things through the commissioner's fund, there 463 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:46,320 are some obligations with the opioid opioid money which are different. And 464 00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:51,119 we've not yet had a chance for the sheriff to weigh in long term on what 465 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:58,160 some of his needs and plans are. We know that we're not getting $4 million at 466 00:38:54,320 --> 00:39:05,440 this point for Matt funding in the 2728. >> Certainly not. Right. So that based upon 467 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:10,720 the need for Matt services in the jail that could use opioid money to 468 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:14,880 supplement that loss needs to be reflected on. So there's there's a 469 00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:19,040 couple unanswered questions in my mind before we can give you clear guidance on 470 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:24,240 this. >> So real quick, I'm just going to say 471 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:30,320 that um just to put a bug in your ear on it. Um, so the first one when it talks 472 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:34,079 about the total amount that we have, so I'm going to pull out a quickie. 473 00:39:33,599 --> 00:39:38,480 » Okay, >> put in your mind what you want to do for 474 00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:40,880 round two as far as is it going to be the same amount, is it going to be less 475 00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:44,720 or more? >> Okay. 476 00:39:41,359 --> 00:39:51,599 » Um, for the second one, uh, we do have the the math question and, 477 00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:57,760 uh, we know that it's not going to be funded as it has in the past. So, we had 478 00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:02,880 reached out to Sheriff Morton to find out um what it looks like his budget 479 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:08,079 might be as far as what um he's going to need. So, I think before he was we had 480 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:12,000 talked about it was like 20 25,000 a year or something like that, but that 481 00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:15,119 was not already taken care of by the state. 482 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,960 » So, we'll get a better number on that from him before you have to even 483 00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:22,079 consider that. We'll ask um I'm going to put down we're going to ask the sheriff 484 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:27,920 about that. Um, so regarding the collaboration, we 485 00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:33,440 did touch on that a little bit of working with the city and it was it was 486 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:39,760 so nice to be able to actually work with them before because um I already do have 487 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:43,280 some idea of how we worked it. So thankfully this is not going to be like 488 00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:46,000 something new that we do. >> Um, 489 00:40:43,839 --> 00:40:50,480 » can I check for just a second? >> Sure. 490 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:56,720 Um, I think that this is kind of the crux of all the questions of uh once 491 00:40:53,520 --> 00:41:03,040 we've completed this first round of RFPs and we've uh made our recommendations to 492 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:08,400 you and that $400,000 that uh was the sum total of the first round. 493 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:14,240 At least personally, I would love to have a little bit more guidance and 494 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:20,319 understanding around how much we are able to collaborate with the city uh of 495 00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:27,920 Bangor knowing that obviously we are having funding coming in continually uh 496 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:32,960 until 2036 as are they and are is there a desire and a possibility for our 497 00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:39,280 committee and the city of Bangor's committee to actually dig into specific 498 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:43,920 gaps within the community rather than putting out general RFP for anything 499 00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:50,720 that might fall under exhibit E, which is kind of the scope of where we were um 500 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:56,240 asking people to put in projects in. So, if we're able to collaborate and 501 00:41:54,240 --> 00:42:02,319 designate, okay, we're going to maybe do a specific RFP for 502 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:12,560 just as a random example, recovery residences or we're going to have an an 503 00:42:05,359 --> 00:42:17,839 RFP for uh doing uh treatment post detox so that it's not the entire scope and 504 00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:22,319 we're sprinkling money across an entire space that every piece of this is 505 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:27,280 needed, but really working with the city to identify what are the most critical 506 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:32,960 needs that this money can have the most impact on and what amount of money would 507 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:38,880 we be allowed to kind of bring to the table for that conversation. That's at 508 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:44,720 least my thought process moving forward because I know that what we're going to 509 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:50,160 be able to help allocate out right now for this 400,000 is going to be really 510 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:55,280 helpful for those organizations. But it would be really important for the 511 00:42:52,880 --> 00:43:00,240 county, for the region, for Bangor, for everybody if we can do some really 512 00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:06,560 strategic, thoughtful planning around can we put this money to the best use 513 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:10,240 focusing on one or two larger projects that are going to take a little bit more 514 00:43:08,079 --> 00:43:13,760 money, but the impact is going to be so much more significant. 515 00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:18,960 I hope that that kind of background helps in where we're kind of going with 516 00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:21,920 these questions. Thank you. 517 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:27,359 » And I will say like something that is really in my mind is, you know, the 518 00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:31,920 city, no offense to anybody in the city, but the city got their money, right? 519 00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:38,400 This is the county's money. We are not throwing all of this. I mean, I'm saying 520 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:44,240 that just out there, but yes, this Bangor is a service area, but 521 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:49,839 there are so many places that are out in the county that need help. So we are 522 00:43:48,079 --> 00:43:53,599 being really careful when we're going through the applications too to make 523 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:58,960 sure that we are taking care of our county as well. So 524 00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:04,000 we're not saying that we're trying to p push all this money into Bangor because 525 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:08,160 we have a county to think of. So that's really, you know, something that I would 526 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:12,640 like to concentrate on as well and I'm sure obviously you do too that this is 527 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:18,240 really important. collaboration is important for the bigger amounts, but we 528 00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:21,839 do need to make sure that we are really like focused on the 529 00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:26,480 » Yeah, I I represent the 40,000 people north of Bangor, so we have needs up 530 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:32,319 there. Uh I'm I'm interested in working with the in a collaborative effort with 531 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:37,920 the city of Bangor, but I have uh I have uh uh groups up there that I'm going to 532 00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:41,920 be looking to take care of making sure that they have a piece of the pie to 533 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:46,720 address the problem that we are having in the in the hinterland. So it's it's 534 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:49,839 not going to be to the exclusion of these other groups. I guarantee that 535 00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:54,319 right now. >> And I just want the public to know that 536 00:44:51,359 --> 00:45:00,000 too. like this is something that we are very cognizant of that there are issues 537 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:02,319 out in you know in our county so we will be taking care of that 538 00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:05,839 » and as you represent >> apologies if that's how it came across I 539 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:12,079 apologize if that's how it came across that wasn't my intention obviously yes 540 00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:18,079 the entire county is important to uh be in consideration of and making sure that 541 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:22,240 we do spread the resources out >> and I appreciate you're recognizing that 542 00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:27,200 as the representative 50,000 people south of Bangor that don't have access 543 00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:32,560 to any other funding mechanisms. Uh that we are more holistic and I think 544 00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:38,720 there's a balance there because clearly as many of us recognize the city of 545 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:43,760 Bangor has either voluntarily or involuntarily 546 00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:48,640 become the resource center for many of these type of things. So even though it 547 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:54,560 may be Bangor that serves it, they're many times being 548 00:45:51,119 --> 00:45:58,720 required to serve people who are not long-term residents of Bangor. So I 549 00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:03,920 think there's a balance there and I appreciate the committee recognizing 550 00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:08,720 that and you certainly communicating that and maybe one of the things you 551 00:46:06,720 --> 00:46:13,119 look at in the future is is there a segregation of funds that go to 552 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:18,560 communities or organizations that serve the needs outside of the urban centers. 553 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:23,839 I I wouldn't just pick on Bangor. I think that there are other communities 554 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:28,367 here like Brewer and maybe or Oldtown because of the services they provide 555 00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:32,319 that also fall into that mix. But it's [clears throat] a healthy dynamic and I 556 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:36,560 personally I don't want to speak for the commission but personally I think that's 557 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:40,240 why when we get through this first round we're going to be better prepared to 558 00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:44,160 answer some of these questions which are clearly thoughtful and important for the 559 00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:49,920 long-term aspect of this. But uh I I I don't think 560 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:53,680 today we have enough data to to answer all these questions. 561 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:56,880 » That sounds good to me and reasonable. Yeah. So we'll pick it up again next 562 00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:00,319 time. >> Great. 563 00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:03,119 » Happy Thanksgiving you guys. >> Hope you have a wonderful time with your 564 00:47:02,240 --> 00:47:07,440 families. >> You have done here for the committee. 565 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:12,720 And Jamie, thank you. And we wish you a very nice and successful event with that 566 00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,920 church we haven't yet. >> Yes. Thank you very much. If anybody's 567 00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:22,480 hungry at noon, come on down to the Together Place for Friendsgiving. 568 00:47:19,119 --> 00:47:24,240 » Thank you very much. Okay, have a wonderful day. 569 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:31,119 » Thank you. >> At this point, I believe our HR director 570 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:36,760 will be joining us via Zoom. >> Good day. 571 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,760 » Good morning. 572 00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:43,119 » So, I have just a couple of things on the agenda today. 573 00:47:41,359 --> 00:47:49,520 » Sure. Um the first last meeting we approved 574 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:55,680 the Christmas Eve hours of operation and I forgot about some of the contracts. 575 00:47:52,400 --> 00:48:00,480 Some of the contracts close they um they have the day off starting at noon and 576 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:05,119 that's what we have done historically in the past as well and I gave you all the 577 00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:11,520 time of 2:00 p.m. So we would just need to clarify that uh to be 12:00 on 578 00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,760 Christmas Eve. Any objection to clarifying that? 579 00:48:12,319 --> 00:48:16,400 » No, I would move because I think my motion was actually what we had 580 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:20,400 traditionally done and I thought that's what it was. So, whatever we doing is 581 00:48:18,079 --> 00:48:24,319 what we've traditionally done. That's >> Yes, I believe that was the motion. I 582 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:29,040 just wanted you to be aware that the time that we announced in the last 583 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:32,079 meeting. I mistook. >> Okay. Thank you for clarifying that. 584 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:37,200 You're okay with that, Commissioner? Yep. So we have consent of the 585 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:42,960 commission to to do as we have traditionally done according to 586 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:48,240 the the vote that was taken and the the terms of any contract. 587 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:53,520 Then the second item I have for you is the approval of the 2026 holiday 588 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:58,960 calendar. It is the same as we do every year. It's just a a normal business item 589 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:02,319 for you all to approve. And I believe Marian put that in your packet. 590 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,599 » Yeah. We do. >> Yeah. 591 00:49:02,720 --> 00:49:07,359 » I would move approve of the 2026 holiday calendar. 592 00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:15,680 » Second. >> So it is approval of the 2026 holiday 593 00:49:11,119 --> 00:49:20,319 calendar as uh it aligns with our prior calendar. Any further discussion? 594 00:49:18,720 --> 00:49:22,559 Hearing none. All those in favor, please say I. 595 00:49:21,359 --> 00:49:26,720 » I. >> Thank you. And then I have one last item 596 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:32,079 for you that I don't believe you need to have a motion on. Um we um obviously as 597 00:49:30,240 --> 00:49:37,599 you know have a new insurance broker cross insurance agency and as part of 598 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:44,079 that partnership we have decided to pay them through the county AP versus having 599 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:48,079 those fees stuck into the premiums in order for them to bill us. They've given 600 00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:52,720 you a contract that they need you to sign all three of you that allows them 601 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:57,119 to bill us directly. And I believe Gary or Maryanne have that for you. I don't 602 00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:02,400 think it needs a motion because it's simply just part of the the approval of 603 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:06,880 their um partnership with us, but that's up to you if you want to have a motion. 604 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:11,040 » Well, I'm just a question why we would we do it this way rather than do it as 605 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:17,359 part of the premium because we basically got a significant reduction because we 606 00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:21,119 took that payment that we used to the insurance broker used to get and it was 607 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:25,200 taken out. That's why we got the reduction. So, why wouldn't we include 608 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:29,599 this in the premium? Oh, >> it allows Yeah, I think it just allows 609 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:33,200 us more transparency to how much they're getting paid every year, whereas in the 610 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:39,680 past, we really didn't know unless we wanted to dig in. Um, and this way, um, 611 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:43,200 even if the insurance premiums increase, it doesn't mean that their payment will 612 00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:46,880 increase. >> So, we won't know. But we're paying when 613 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:51,040 it's in the premium, we don't pay the whole thing. Now, we're paying the 614 00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:53,839 county pays the whole thing. >> Correct. I think 615 00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:58,160 » it's >> I think actually a part of it. That's 616 00:50:56,319 --> 00:51:05,280 why we got the situation we were in. >> However, the new terms of our health 617 00:51:01,839 --> 00:51:10,480 insurance contract has eliminated the if I'm not mistaken, it's eliminated the 618 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:15,520 payment by the single coverage employees. So there is no payment that 619 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:19,920 the employees would be paying in this case unless we in the future want to 620 00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:25,599 renegotiate >> the fee to the county for the portion of 621 00:51:23,119 --> 00:51:31,680 health insurance has also decreased. >> How many saying we I mean most family 622 00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:34,640 how many is the majority families for our coverage? 623 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:37,760 » I can't answer that. I don't know if you have that information. So, how much we 624 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,160 talking? What's the What's the pay? How much we pay the broker? How much we're 625 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:44,319 talking? >> It's in the in your budget book. If you 626 00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:48,760 look at it, it's a new line item under HR. 627 00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:48,760 » Believe it's about 628 00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:57,839 » Yeah, the enrollments space between coverage, employee, child, 629 00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:02,240 and then family coverage pretty evenly overall. Um, I do get what you're 630 00:52:00,720 --> 00:52:06,079 saying. Again, the broker, how much is the broker fee 631 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:10,160 » from from the previous broker? >> You have to pull up the HR part in your 632 00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:14,400 budget. Well, to answer question for Commissioner Prem. 633 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:19,359 » Yeah, the the previous broker was almost $196,000. 634 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:22,079 talking about next year. I think for next year 635 00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:27,359 » what you're getting is a reference to what we were paying which was a 636 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:31,440 commission to the prior broker which was also subject to increases based upon 637 00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:35,599 what the >> money were you going to use to pay for 638 00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:37,200 this HR >> what do you have in the budget book 639 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:41,040 please >> I've got in here under broker fee 67,200 640 00:52:40,559 --> 00:52:46,800 » okay >> so it's down 180 to 67 641 00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:50,319 » correct and that will stay a flat fee for the first 3 years of this contract 642 00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:52,720 tracked. >> We're not saving it. We're spending that 643 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,599 money on the system. >> Yeah. But before it wasn't even [snorts] 644 00:52:54,240 --> 00:53:00,880 it was hidden. We didn't even know what we were paying. So that's that's the 645 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:04,000 good that's the bring it out. 646 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,960 » Yeah. I would agree with Commissioner Marshall. We didn't know what we were 647 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:10,880 paying before. And yes, to Commissioner Treble's point, that expense was 648 00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:15,520 semi-shared with employees that had certain premium payments that they paid. 649 00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:20,960 Um, but it's so hard to figure out how much of that 196,000 was being paid and 650 00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:23,041 shared with employees shares of their premiums. [clears throat] 651 00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:28,640 » This was the decision we voted on this year. 652 00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,359 » Correct. >> Yeah. 653 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:34,880 » So, we don't need what what was the why was this part? We don't need to vote. We 654 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,960 already voted. You're just telling us what 655 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,880 » we have to sign the contract. >> Oh, just the contract. Okay. 656 00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,520 » Yeah. >> Yeah. 657 00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:46,319 » So, you're clear. You did vote on that, >> right? I was just wondering why we made 658 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:50,160 that change again. Why are we getting updated on this? 659 00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:53,480 » I do think in the future 660 00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:58,800 Tony Tony we can't hear you. >> You're 661 00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,119 » I think we can >> Can you hear me now? 662 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:06,160 » Yes. >> Okay. I think um it'll just give us more 663 00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:10,079 transparency to start with and certainly in the next several months if we think 664 00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:15,359 we want to look at that again. We can change this at any time. 665 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:19,920 » Okay. I I just advise the commission we're dealing with issues here that we 666 00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:24,720 have taken votes on. While this is a clarification, it's a different manner 667 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:30,000 in which we are carrying this both on the budget and how we're operating which 668 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:35,440 provides a level of transparency when it comes to future expenses related to 669 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:39,760 employees and benefits. Anything else, Tony? 670 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,800 » That is all I have. >> Thank you. Hope you have a wonderful 671 00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:46,000 Thanksgiving >> and we've already 672 00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:49,000 » you as well. We have >> signific 673 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,319 item would be administrative 674 00:54:55,440 --> 00:55:00,319 » administrator Lamb. Thank you for being with us today. Do you have some items 675 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:04,240 you'd like to cover? >> Well, looking forward to the December 676 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:08,559 11th budget meeting. Advisory Committee will be back here. Hopefully, a decision 677 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:12,160 will be made in that whole process. >> Just to clarify, this is actually the 678 00:55:10,079 --> 00:55:17,200 budget committee. the advisory group is is going to potentially be a different 679 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:21,520 configuration that would include some town administrators. 680 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,760 » So that meeting on the 11th is with the same attendees. 681 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,440 » That's correct. That's the budget committee. 682 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,119 » Okay. >> Thank you. 683 00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:32,160 » Of course. >> That's okay. We're all learning here. 684 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:35,599 And uh general update, I've met with most all the staff, not all, but I 685 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:40,319 appreciate the meeting that was held this past Monday, more for my benefit 686 00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:45,760 than theirs, for explaining uh everybody's tasks. So, I think that's 687 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:50,319 going along well, and I'm pleased to let the commissioners know that Tony has 688 00:55:47,599 --> 00:55:54,640 given me 31 resumes for the administrator's position, and I strongly 689 00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:58,160 recommend after looking at those quickly that you folks pick a date at your 690 00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:02,960 convenience to start the interview process. So, would you say we would what 691 00:56:01,119 --> 00:56:06,799 we're getting it wouldn't be necessary to the county to hire a consultant to 692 00:56:05,359 --> 00:56:11,520 help us do? We've got a pretty good group to my answer to that is Tony and I 693 00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:14,480 can do this prep work. >> Yeah, do that. 694 00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:19,200 » No, that's what it's been sounding like. >> Yeah, we we have just we have received 695 00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:23,359 several inquiries from groups that provide that service. But 696 00:56:21,119 --> 00:56:26,880 » is it the will of the commission now to proceed as we are and not engage with 697 00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:30,640 somebody? I think at this point if we find we're not making the progress we 698 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:32,480 thought we would maybe at that point we can change direction. 699 00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:34,559 » Okay. >> I concur. 700 00:56:33,359 --> 00:56:39,359 » Okay. Thank you. >> Well while we got Gary I got a question 701 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:43,040 and Brenda's here but we got an email from [snorts] 702 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:47,440 » Ryan about some of the capital purchase going on and payment for those. I mean, 703 00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:52,880 I'm just curious. We're still in this budget year where if we should if it 704 00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:57,359 makes sense for us to stop on any stop any capital projects going 705 00:56:55,520 --> 00:57:02,720 on till we get a better handle and we are with the cash flow what where we are 706 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:06,160 saying if we're in a position to keep going with these projects. 707 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:10,799 » So, Brenda, would you and the treasurer be prepared today to do that or would 708 00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:16,319 you prefer to wait and provide a report to us on the 11th or maybe the third? I 709 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:19,760 call the third include Ryan. 710 00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:24,400 » I think that would be helpful so that we could summarize that. I I recognize that 711 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:28,559 there are some concerns based upon what has been communicated, but I think it it 712 00:57:27,200 --> 00:57:33,280 would be appropriate to get those numbers in front of us. Yeah, I mean I 713 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:40,079 did do a rep schedule just based on the ARPA funds what's ava available and what 714 00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:45,119 Brian has listed out for projects but um we probably should speak to him 715 00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:49,839 about the details of all those projects. I don't really have to 716 00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:55,280 » thank I haven't had the opportunity to talk to Brian either. 717 00:57:52,000 --> 00:58:00,480 » Okay. I think it it is helpful as we get to the latter part of the year where 718 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:07,359 we've had some changes in leadership and and finance positions to give them time 719 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:09,680 to to put a a year-end report together for us. So, if you think you can do that 720 00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:15,120 by the third >> Yeah, I mean I think I have a good start 721 00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:17,140 on it. I think we just need to [clears throat] 722 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:24,559 » Great. And the good news is we did get our jail money in for the third quarter 723 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:29,920 by May. So yay. [laughter] Good. Good. 724 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:37,680 » Would it be appropriate to give a little bit of a summary to the budget committee 725 00:58:34,799 --> 00:58:40,799 on the 11th? >> We could. Yeah. 726 00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:42,720 » Okay. Like I did [clears throat] last week. 727 00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:46,319 » Yep. >> Okay. Is that good for everyone? 728 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:51,680 » Yeah, sure. We'll get it on the third and refer on the 11th. 729 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:57,040 » I can write something up. >> Great. I think the clearer we are, the 730 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:59,440 more comfort people will have. [clears throat] 731 00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:04,000 » It is a significant year and I think the committee is doing their diligence to 732 00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:08,559 try and help us find savings. But in fairness to our department heads, that 733 00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:14,559 message went out and many of them were very cognizant of the concerns both in 734 00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:20,640 terms of next year's budget and cash flow. So, um I think once we get through 735 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:25,839 the 11th and get this settled, we'll we'll be fine. And if I'm not mistaken, 736 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:30,720 we'll still be within a time frame to appropriately have the public hearing 737 00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:34,480 and get this done if we include the budget on the 11th. 738 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:38,240 » Yep. Hope so or we know so >> I don't know 739 00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:41,200 it's process >> but we do have to have a public hearing 740 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:48,040 » right >> and we have that scheduled I think for 741 00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:48,040 the the latter meeting of December 742 00:59:50,751 --> 00:59:52,771 [clears throat] 743 00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:01,680 » maybe we can have a report back in the cler to just clarify that 744 00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:04,480 » I one thing I want to add about the budget what we're talking because a lot 745 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,040 of I think county employees might watch these meetings or they might not watch 746 01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:11,520 the budget meeting. >> And if you look at all the departments 747 01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:14,960 within the budget, it's we're not in this situation because of anything the 748 01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:19,119 county employees have done. They've done a great job. These budgets by each 749 01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:24,079 department are very reasonable. We're in this situation for one reason because 750 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:29,359 the county jail cap was not funded since 2021 and then all of a sudden we've got 751 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:34,079 a huge $4 million gap and we got to make up for one year. That's what's created 752 01:00:31,359 --> 01:00:38,000 this problem. Not anything that that's gone on within the the county 753 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:42,559 departments. Everybody's kind of doing a great job. Budgets are very reasonable 754 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:47,040 this year. Most departments I think most departments I think by the 3% increase. 755 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:51,359 So it's the we're here for one reason in this situation for one reason and we got 756 01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:55,680 to unfortunately fix it this year. >> I would concur with you except for one 757 01:00:53,359 --> 01:01:00,160 point. I've gone back through and read the minutes from the budget committee 758 01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:06,400 meetings since 2015. It has not just occurred since 2021. We 759 01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:10,319 have had a budget challenge with the jail for over 10 years. 760 01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:13,440 » We've only had an unfunded jail cap since 2021. 761 01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:17,680 » That's not correct. If you go back and listen to the former administrator, the 762 01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:22,960 first administrator, he made comments about the shortfall. The benefit was 763 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:29,040 that the state was providing supplemental funding and the other jails 764 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:33,280 recognizing the dilemma that Popscot was in because we had not addressed the 765 01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:38,240 shortage of of space in the antiquated facility before now. 766 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:41,599 They gave us the lion share of that supplemental money that had 767 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:44,319 » there's a short we got funding for. Exactly. So it wasn't unfunded, it was 768 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:48,160 funded. >> 2021 we haven't got the funding. 769 01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:53,359 » That is correct. The state has flatfunded us since 21 and the costs 770 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:59,599 have gone up significantly. But to say that this is a a new problem that has 771 01:01:56,160 --> 01:02:04,000 arisen does not recognize that the budget committee and the commission was 772 01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:08,000 provided information for over 10 years that we had a funding problem for the 773 01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:12,480 county jail. >> I disagree. 774 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:16,720 » Okay. Since 2021 is when we haven't not had the money and we've had this budget 775 01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:20,480 gap that has not been funed by the county 776 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:26,000 by the state before that there was a gap that they made they came through within 777 01:02:23,359 --> 01:02:32,160 » they did not fully come through if you look at some of these issues that I I 778 01:02:29,359 --> 01:02:36,559 don't want to get into a debate but it >> I'll be the arbitrator. I I'll let you 779 01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:40,559 two do it and take a look at it. We'll find the thing in there somewhere. 780 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:44,240 Anything else that you might have, Gary? 781 01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:48,119 » No, thank you. >> What about the 11th 782 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:56,880 » the meeting? Are we going to have a meeting to discuss some issues and and 783 01:02:53,440 --> 01:03:01,680 cover some items that relate to uh contract matters? 784 01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:04,400 If we have we determined that we're going to meet on the 11th prior to the 785 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:08,319 budget meeting. >> Oh, we already meet on the 10th. That 786 01:03:06,319 --> 01:03:12,480 was my understanding. >> On the 11th. On the 11th. Yeah. We're 787 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:16,960 going to meet before the budget committee meets at 5. So, it would make 788 01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:23,440 sense to meet maybe 2:00 at the commission to conduct our business then. 789 01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:27,359 Uh cuz we're going to be in uh we're going to be in Maine County Commission 790 01:03:25,839 --> 01:03:32,720 Association >> the 10th. So, the meeting of the 10th 791 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:35,920 has been has been postponed because of the MCCA meeting. 792 01:03:34,079 --> 01:03:37,839 » Yeah. I'll be traveling >> where 793 01:03:36,799 --> 01:03:42,400 » on the 10th. >> On the 10th, I'll be coming back. Yeah. 794 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:46,880 » So, for that week, would it be appropriate for our schedules to meet 795 01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:50,559 the afternoon of the 11th to conduct some of the business that we would not 796 01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:55,760 be able to >> I would recommend 2:00 797 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:58,960 » 2:00 meeting. >> We didn't really last time because we 798 01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:02,680 had the PRC. >> I think there's some cont. 799 01:04:02,799 --> 01:04:10,640 That's fine. Maybe we can apprise folks of the details that that 800 01:04:08,400 --> 01:04:16,960 » Fair enough. Uh part of the discussion might be 801 01:04:13,359 --> 01:04:21,920 around whether we are and we can again address this fully on the third but 802 01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:25,640 whether we are prepared to start some interviews that week 803 01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:32,559 » that if you want to put that on the agenda for discussion the third Iran 804 01:04:31,359 --> 01:04:35,839 other than the commissioners meeting that's an open date for us. I mean, I 805 01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:40,559 don't know how >> uh which is a Wednesday, December 3rd. 806 01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:43,680 » We're beginning at 9:00. >> Maybe we can have an executive session 807 01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:47,119 that day to go through the application, decide we want 808 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:51,200 » and that would follow follow the commissioners meeting, I would assume, 809 01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:54,400 » right? But remember, the the probate court needs a space. That's part of the 810 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:58,720 reason that we're starting early. >> Well, we could we could we could conduct 811 01:04:56,960 --> 01:05:02,160 those elsewhere. >> Yeah. There's a there's a time 812 01:05:00,079 --> 01:05:09,119 constraint there. As you remember, I've I've got a meeting that I'm at. So, by 813 01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:12,640 11:00, we need to be concluded so I can run that other meeting. 814 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:15,599 » Okay. So, what do you what do you want to do? 815 01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:18,240 » 9 to 11 is what I have available that day. 816 01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:21,039 » Yeah. >> And that's a commission meetings at 817 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:26,880 9:00. So, it would follow right after that. It's short. Do you anticipate it? 818 01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:32,240 » I have a meeting at 10:00 uh central time that I have to run. 819 01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:39,079 » Yeah. So I am only available until 11:00 that morning. 820 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:39,079 » That's why we moved that meeting to 9. 821 01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:47,359 » Okay. >> What would commissioners like to have 822 01:05:45,110 --> 01:05:50,400 [clears throat] excuse me resumes? Mary, 823 01:05:48,400 --> 01:05:54,079 » what's your pleasure, gentlemen? >> Do you want to be able to review those 824 01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:58,640 prior to this weekend? >> Okay. I think if we had packets by the 825 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:02,720 weekend that we could look at. I don't know if they're in electronic form or I 826 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:06,240 think it probably speak. 827 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:08,400 » Are you still with us? >> Tony, are you still with us? 828 01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:09,839 » She's not. >> Okay. 829 01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:13,839 » Okay. >> Maybe you can inquire and find out 830 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,440 between she and Mary that they might be able [clears throat] to prepare for us 831 01:06:15,039 --> 01:06:19,440 to >> one PDF. Okay. 832 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:22,720 » Yeah, it would be if people are I think there's some level of confidentiality 833 01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:25,839 we've got to respect. >> Absolutely. 834 01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:30,480 » So, just haven't gone through this with the city anyway. I would like the worst 835 01:06:27,920 --> 01:06:33,839 here. You said there's about 30 now. >> 31. 836 01:06:31,119 --> 01:06:38,000 » I mean when we got them to consult he had reviewed them, ranked them and then 837 01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:42,559 we also got all of them but he had a recommendation who to uh interview and 838 01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:47,119 then we did it independently and we kind of arrived at the same conclusion or if 839 01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:49,760 you could kind of do that and if you thought that were 840 01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:54,640 » I think Tony and I were going to go on the other end and we we had a section of 841 01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:58,319 those that are lower priority. >> Yeah. Yeah. I need something. 842 01:06:56,319 --> 01:06:59,520 » You're going to win all the room gall >> to a certain degree. 843 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:03,280 » Yeah. >> Y but you need to see the wall. 844 01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:04,480 » Y >> thank you. 845 01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:09,039 » Good. >> So we'll look forward to if I'm 846 01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:12,839 understanding this, we look forward to getting that this weekend. 847 01:07:13,839 --> 01:07:20,559 If that is possible for you and the HR department to put together so that we 848 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:24,640 have them to review >> over the weekend before the December 3rd 849 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:27,119 meeting, then we'll be able to come up with a strategy for you as to what we'd 850 01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:31,960 like to do. >> Nobody's here Friday, but I think we can 851 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,960 open it up. 852 01:07:40,319 --> 01:07:46,520 » Other items. I see we've got a general update here. Are there some other 853 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:56,799 » Are there some other items on your agenda that you want to 854 01:07:53,839 --> 01:07:58,880 » Sorry, I was at the very end. >> No, there are not. 855 01:07:57,839 --> 01:08:03,440 » Okay. >> I'm thankful for all the help today and 856 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:09,039 uh I appreciate the department heads knowing that I need their help more than 857 01:08:05,599 --> 01:08:15,400 ever. So, I think it's going well today. >> Okay. Other questions from the 858 01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:15,400 commission for the administrator? 859 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:24,159 Okay, I guess we are ready to move on to the warrants. 860 01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:29,600 » I move we approve the warrants uh under article H of today's agenda. Second. 861 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:32,960 » Have a motion and a second. Any discussion? 862 01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:36,480 » Hearing none. All those in favor, please say I. I. 863 01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:40,640 » Other business to come before us from the commission. 864 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:44,239 Correct. >> Okay. Mr. Treasurer, anything you have? 865 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:48,880 » Happy Thanksgiving. >> Okay. We have no executive sessions 866 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:52,480 required today. >> Correct. 867 01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:59,679 » Okay. At this point, wish everyone a very happy Thanksgiving. Appreciate your 868 01:08:55,120 --> 01:09:03,279 time. And uh we're ready to adjourn. >> Have a motion. 869 01:09:01,759 --> 01:09:06,159 » Have a motion. Have a second. >> Yeah. Second. 870 01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:08,400 » Vote list. >> Happy.