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All right. This is the ad commission meeting. It is Tuesday, September 29th, and 7.07 p.m. Eric Piper,

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Naomi Soden, myself, Cheryl Rosef. And Lucy McCain will be joining us shortly. So we have

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an agenda on a new form that I was supposed to have been using since last winter, but that

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one went right by me. Anyway, we have approval of minutes is the first item. And I sent you two

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minutes, one for August 25th and one for September 3rd. And if you would like to take a minute or two,

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I know I sent the August 25th minutes late this afternoon. I couldn't find the meeting

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on pepperole community media and I emailed Dave Peas and asked him about it and he sent me the link.

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So that way I could access the video and do my minutes. One of the reasons why I was late

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getting them to you. Not the only reason, but oh

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and here's Jim McCain. I did. I'm sorry to interrupt.

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I'm sorry.

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I went from one thing to the other today and just got home. I feel that way,

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too. Anyway, people are reading the minutes. Lucy. Okay. So there are two minutes. September

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3rd and August 25th. You may not have gotten the 25th one until this afternoon. If you weren't

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home you wouldn't have seen it but no I didn't see it. Well what we're taking a

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minute or two for everybody to catch up and read about me to do that. Okay.

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I'm

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gonna go get more water.

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You

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said there were two right? Yes. I always see one. Yeah

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I see the other one. I only see the third nine third. Okay, there's a letter to the

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planning board minutes. Can we just talk about the third? I'm sorry, the third one.

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There are only two minutes September 3rd. Yeah, we only see September 3rd. Yeah, me too.

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That's all I read.

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You didn't get the August 25th?

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Hmm.

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Didn't we do that?

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No.

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No.

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It's okay.

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Can we do that next meeting?

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Well, we can approve it next meeting.

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Okay.

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And you can send it.

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I see you below for tonight's meeting.

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I sent you the writing sales.

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Okay.

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so I didn't send it to you. That's pretty typical of the way my days been going.

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All right, I

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did finish them. I thought I sent the 25th.

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Sure, we're not faulting you. Don't worry about that.

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That's all right. I'm really tired.

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So we'll just do a motion to prove the minutes for a September 3rd.

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I just have one correction, if I may, on September 3rd, so the product Emily probably

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used was Canva, C-A-N-V-A, not Canvas, it says Canvas in the meetings.

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I will change that.

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It's an auto-fill, auto-correcting that, you know, word does, and it will catch that, but

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I will change that.

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So, do we have a motion to approve with corrections?

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I make a motion.

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Okay.

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I'll say Lucy.

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And Naomi, second.

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Second.

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Okay. All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Okay.

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And then I will get the August 25th.

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I'll send that off to you like tomorrow or something.

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Take it away in your files.

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And then we'll approve that at our next meeting.

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Okay. Okay, thank you.

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So let's move on to Open Farm Day. And before we get to the

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Grange dinner, let's let me just recap that I have the directional signs in my truck now.

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Ooh, little stakes, you know, the age frame stakes. So I thought I would go

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around in the farms, maybe on Friday? Or should I do it Saturday?

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Well, it all depends if it rains or not, right?

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It looks like it's going to be a great weekend.

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Really? I saw a 50% chance of rain on Sunday this morning.

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They've been talking about that.

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Hold on for a minute.

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Well, we're going to have to...

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I had clear in 72.

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to? Well, that would be perfect. However. I lost your pictures of you. It

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doesn't matter.

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We have a plan in place, right? To announce, excuse me, to announce it on the website if

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We're going to change and it's going to happen.

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I think that is the rain going to be, I mean, people...

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Oh, there you are.

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Hi.

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It's only about 85, only 0.05 inches.

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It's less than half an inch.

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Half an inch.

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Oh, that's perfect.

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Yeah.

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It's just like, chance precipitation.

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That's great.

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Don't worry about it then.

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Okay.

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I think it's during the night. I don't think it's like it increases by 6 p.m. it starts to increase.

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Okay. I think we're good. Good. Yay.

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I'm gonna change that, huh?

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And high will be 63 between 1 and 2 p.m. Nice. I think we're gonna miss the rain.

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I hope so.

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Wonderful.

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You guys get my forward about the website that Tracy had an issue with.

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Yeah, that was great.

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I had gone there too and saw the same thing and I said,

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well, should I say something?

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No, thank you.

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Sorry.

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You fixed it.

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Yeah, she fixed it, right, Eric?

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Because I went back in after and it's fixed.

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Yeah, you couldn't read anything on the left side.

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Yeah.

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That was good. Naomi, thank you. Oh, I'm sorry. Just a second. We have like cat. You have men?

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Okay, we have we're

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babysitting and dog that has trouble with our cats. Okay, all right. All right. So the website's all good and ready to go.

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What's happening after this event? Who's administering it? Who's managing it? Emily has been managing it.

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Well, I know she has been, but after this event, she's going to take it down and, you know,

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put stuff up or we need to talk, we need to talk about that, Lucy, because the website

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is up just for the duration of open farm day, it's for a month.

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Okay.

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And so I think it, I don't know the date that it actually expires, but it might expire a week

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or so after open farm day, something like that.

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and then the question is whether we continue it and that would mean paying a monthly fee and

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I've got to get the pricing and stuff from Emily on that. I think you said $30 a month or $30

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or 20 a month? Yeah, or 20 a month, but a $30 initial or something. Well, that's what we paid.

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I think I heard $30.

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Well we obviously need to find out.

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So I propose that Emily and I sit down after Open Farm Day and we look at the website

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and we talk about it and we have served a development plan in mind.

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One of the things that I was hoping to do was to talk with Anne about the growing places

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this website, which is just, it's functional, but it's not, you've probably been on it,

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Lucy. It's, it's just functional, right? And the idea would be for a pepperel agriculture,

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to be able to link to growing places and to provide information for our farmers and so forth

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about the latest information at growing places, send them in there, right?

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And I don't know if they have information on their processing kitchen and information

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on cold storage, but we certainly could have pictures of the cold storage facility here

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and information about how you can store at cold storage and the pricing structure and pictures

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of what it looks like and all of that. So we can help being a kind of informational portal

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for users interested in learning. How did we get in contact with us? My thought was,

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because I don't trace you as I go, I don't know how to get in contact with that error. So maybe

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we could have an email. Yeah, there should be some email. That's a good

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There should be an email info at right and then who's ever going to administer it goes right the hyperlink goes right to them

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But may I suggest I think that's a good idea Cheryl, but for now

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I'm not sure Anne is ready with all of that and

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You know right now. I know she's getting the word out

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It might be best just while she's doing getting all that stuff together because I don't even think they have the commercial kitchen ready for

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much processing released from farmers because they've told me no a few times. They did one

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load of my basil once and a few other things this summer and it was late and that's all they

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could handle. So they're doing other things for others who they are. They're not the MAA people,

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that's for sure because anyway what I was saying was maybe we're best served with like a list of all

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of the farms in PEPROL and

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What's what this farm specializes in or what you would do, therefore similar to what we did on our map. You know, this, this farm's going to do this, this and this, but more, more on the, what you would go there for, you know, the list and maybe alphabetical order and the street number and when they're open and and maybe a hyperlink to the growing places, which would be another page or set of pages.

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So when she's ready, you know, I'm saying that they definitely I do and I don't if we

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go forward with a website I don't want it to be static, you know, I want there to be a turnover

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of information and so forth on it so that it captures people's interest and I want it to be linked

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to other town committees that have similar interests, for instance, or even other organizations

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like Nishoba Conservation Trust which is operating the Duke Woodland Reserve, right, which has

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wonderful equestrian trails on it, and we should be helping to bring people into town to

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track on those trails with their horses.

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So, I think there's a lot of creative brainstorming, Lucy, that we could do, but I totally, totally

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agree with you about talking about our farms, what they're offering, and linking to everybody's

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websites if they're available, and then talking to the farmers about how the website can best

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serve them, because there may be some other ways that we could support them, that they

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either don't have the time or interest in doing, but could be a benefit.

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Right.

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So, yeah, is Emily know how to do all the, is she designed websites before and all that?

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Well, the chief very familiar with Squarespace, and I've done Squarespace before is

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as well. Okay. And it's an easy interface. It's all templated. I mean, you're not going

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to be doing a custom website, which is fine, which is fine. And as Emily was saying at

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our other meeting, there's so much that can be done. You can do videos of farmers and videos

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of their farms and you can download those into the website. You can take orders, you can

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do. Yeah, but for now, let's just keep it simple with the names of the farms, what they offer,

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what their hours are, a link to their websites. I think that's an excellent idea. You know,

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everybody gets the same amount of paragraph kind of thing and definitely add on the horse stuff.

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You know, and links to where those pages are, you know, that kind of stuff.

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You know, even in terms of, you know, trail map so that people can, if they're interested

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in equestrian trails, they can see the available trails around town as well.

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We can do all kinds of stuff with it, I think.

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Is there land that you can walk on with conservation?

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Emily is a busy person too so we don't want to take up a lot of her time.

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Maybe schedule certain times that you meet, define the time, get in the most

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important and then table that let her have some time to install it, to implement it,

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and then move on to have a review and a quality, you know, maybe.

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And then, well, I could get tricky too.

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And you guys work it out and then we, you know, have another review maybe three months later.

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Would we want on the website?

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You know, so we keep it fresh.

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We keep it up to date.

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It's not a stagnant thing as you said.

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You know?

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Yeah.

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So one of the things, Eric,

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when you reached out to the Chronicle, did they say the name of the person who would be attending Sunday?

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Well, if she's able to, and this is just attending out of personal interest.

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Let's see, San Gita Chandra.

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And can we just reach out to her and even though it's personal interest, can we maybe

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spend a little time with her talking about what she's really looking at?

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Yeah.

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What's her name?

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San Gita Chandra.

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She's a Chandra producer at the Chronicle and someone from the Mass Agriculture Collaborative knows her so he was going to see if he could make sure she goes and go with her.

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What's your first name again?

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San Gita, S-A-N-G-I-T-A.

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Okay, San Gita Chandra.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, she's a producer.

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Can I find...

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Can you see Amdar got back to you as well, right?

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What was that?

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Can you see Amdar got back to you as well?

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Well, the commissioner sent me an email.

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She's a way on a trade mission.

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But she would let her staff know.

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So, I don't know if they do know because MDAR has a calendar of ag events and we're about

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on it.

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But, you know, this is going to show a Randall wrote back, so that was nice at least.

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Okay.

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Is there anything else that we should double check the Westford patch should be up?

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Yep.

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It's up.

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Good.

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I don't know about the other local papers, Meshoba Valley Voice, or I know good news purple,

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they're doing, they did their local events, so they put us on there. Okay, and they have their

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video out, I think maybe this week they'll have it out. Oh yes, right, under the different events.

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Great.

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Get like a...

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You know.

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Okay.

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It's on the Lowell and Nashua macaroni kid websites, which are...

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Oh, cool.

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For parents.

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Let's see.

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Yeah, that's good.

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I talked to the woman who runs the Nashua site.

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She was very nice.

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Okay.

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I'll feature it.

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The Lowell person I didn't hear from, but it is up there.

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It's on the Taiwan website, Destination Peperal.

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Okay.

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I'll put together.

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It's up there.

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It's on several community calendars.

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Is it right?

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The, the fall harvest festival.

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Yeah.

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And I had texted Emily asking her whether through Canva,

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We could produce more flyers in time for Saturday's wall festival and just give a

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stash to the Climate Change Committee and also the invasive.

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She's in the kitchen, I can ask.

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Yeah, cool.

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Emily, how much is it to print color?

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Is conservation going to be there?

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Well, color like those ones that we did, we want them.

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oh we don't okay if we did black and white it'd be cheaper a lot cheaper yeah we

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can print them yeah it's the day before the event though I think it'd be good

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okay yeah we'll look we'll look into it okay all right so if she can look into

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that we don't need hard stock at all. These are just to have on their booths on the table so

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the people can see that the day will have is the open farm day. And then we can also when I drop

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off the signs I can just drop off a few of the flyers as well to each of the farms and they can post them

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up.

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I don't know.

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Any other thoughts last minute to do's on this? Then we'll talk about

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the Grange Dinner.

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So you're going to bring the signs on Friday, sometime Friday?

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Yeah, it works everybody. That's what I'll do. I'll drop them off at all the farms and then

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the ideas you put them out by the road. You know, so people can find where you are, direct

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them into parking where you want them to park or whatever. So every farm will have one one sign.

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That's awesome. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay. Grange dinner. Are we on? Yeah. We're on. All right.

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I'm doing it because you said you were paying.

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She's smiling.

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Well, Naomi and Tony and I met and we decided to go back to our goal and say, well, what's

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driving this dinner?

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What are the things we really want to get out of it?

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And number one was to build a community, of course, with our farmers.

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and number two was to thank them of sorts,

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a kind of gratitude for being part of it with us.

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Otherwise, without them, we would not be able to do this.

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And if I may say, look so good, have such a following,

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have such a good group of farms.

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Remember when we started, we would like three or four.

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And then we were five or six.

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And I was seven or eight.

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Now we're up to 10, plus we get the horse staff we're growing.

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And that's awesome.

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So it's time to say thank you.

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And I think the best way to say thank you, my Italian mom taught me was with food and

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especially to men and what do men love Italian food, Tony attested to that.

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So I looked into filo's and I looked at the catering menu and I looked at the prices and

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I said you know what this is, this is no brainer we can do this.

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So counting how many people you had said were already in the mix would be about 14 that

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I have right now.

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And philos makes this nice meatless cheese lasagna, the serves 20 to 25 people, pop it in

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the oven.

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I mean, it's going to be already ready.

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And I'm buying three baguettes in this meatless lasagna between Naomi Tony and myself.

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We each have our list our to-do list somebody's going to the market somebody's going to pick up the pies at Kimball

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somebody's going to pick up some ice cream at

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What's his name down the street at Telly's you know somebody's buying this drink and that drink and coffee and

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We are gonna put on a nice little dinner. That's great

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So, Cheryl, we need you to bring the civil way you said.

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No.

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Or because of the civil way.

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Naomi.

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Yep.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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I remember everything.

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I took this one.

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Yeah.

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Whatever you want to use, I know.

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It's not.

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Whatever we have, we don't use disposable.

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We have to wash.

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Tony and I will stay in.

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range also has I think utensils and plates. Tony was going to be here. I was going to

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ask him that question. Yeah, but we already did that. He wants to do. Let's just do, let's

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not use theirs if we don't, if we, if we can't, if we don't have to. So we're planning to

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do the, you bring the silverware, somebody else bringing the plates, buying the cups, you

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know that kind of thing. We have a, are we use that as a last resort? Like I said, whatever we use

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from them, we have to clean before we leave. Okay. And it's available, but. So I was talking to Tony

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and another several matters today, mostly related to the planning board table of uses. He said he's

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donating it donating three courts of ice cream tillies ice cream so he's

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bringing pumpkin and vanilla wow so that's three courts and I didn't know about

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the pies it kimbals but that's you know how many I don't know he's doing that

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right Naomi I don't have my list in front of me I left it downstairs

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he might he might have yeah I think he was doing that I wasn't on my list

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But we're going to have bread and the garlic shaker kind of thing and the butter and so we can have bread butter.

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He's also looking at buying Britney's or somebody's salad.

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You know, let us so they can put together a salad.

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Tony said that up swing is donating the bringing the salad.

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Good.

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good. That's awesome. They're just kind of donating the greens, the salads. So I guess

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you need salad dressing or something, I don't know. Yeah, I get that on my plate. Okay.

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And then he'd mention apple cider, just a couple of gallons of apple cider, right? For drinks.

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And then if anybody wants something more alcoholic, it's a BIO kind of thing. Right, you bring

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your own. Okay.

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And it's just immediate family.

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Well, here's what I've got. I've got Eric Emily and Korra. Is that true, Eric? Emily can't go. She has a birthday party. Oh, she has a birthday, so it's Eric and Korra. Lucy, I'm going to come. Uh-huh. Then Tony, Andrew, and maybe their daughter is Bell. So that's the house, H-O-U-D-E. Andrew, his name is?

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Andrew, I think I yes Andrew. What do they do? That's the three fables farm. That's the cut flower and dolias

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Oh, I don't know them. You'll have to introduce us. Yeah

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May and I'll bring Ellie Brittany is bringing Harvey

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Tony is asking Fred farmer

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Good. Good.

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Brittany wants to bring for her workers.

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I thought she wasn't going to.

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Well, Courtney's a Tony she does and she emailed me that she does.

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But I thought that was only if we were doing a potlock and we're not doing a potlock.

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That's why I sent you that message today.

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Remember initially last week she said I'm happy to bring a potlock dish.

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If we're going to invite everybody that works, other people, you know what I mean, it works

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for the day.

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I mean, I get other people who work.

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I have two sets of grandkids going to be here.

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I said to Tony, well, they're really immediate, well, no, they're not, I mean, I could fill

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the place.

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But anyway, so Brittany and Harvey, I don't know, are we, if it's, I've got 12.

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Eric, Korra, Lucy, Jim, Tony, Andrew, Isabella, Elizabeth, the wife can't come.

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She may help out with the birthday party. I could ask her.

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Brittany Harvey, Fred Farmer, maybe. So that's really 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 12, 13, yeah.

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Yeah, I had counted 14. I think we're missing somebody. Or you had said maybe Kimball was coming.

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I mean I never got back to me on that. I had a community garden he's coming with his wife.

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That's right.

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Oh yeah.

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And I made that she'd like to come with me.

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Wonderful.

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And wife and who else?

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My mom said she'd come with me.

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All right Naomi.

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So that's 14.

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Yeah.

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I mean you got person 16.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah, 20 to 25 lasagna. That's perfect and people will have a second some people won't

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Right, they've serious said no Lauren Laura Dennis with covert physical therapy couldn't make it

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Oh, I haven't heard from Teresa Leblanc

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Comsted

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That all the farm is that the rest of the farms that did a response. Yeah, and then I so Dave Armstrong is coming good

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So me or the other people who do the meat not doing the

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air to have somebody come and the

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people that were at the okay I couldn't get a hold of them I just ran out of time okay.

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So Cheryl are you going to send out a message tomorrow saying we are definitely going to eat

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at the range we're going to have a nice dinner you don't have to tell them what we are eating

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for dinner though. I don't know. It's catered dinner. What time is this going to be? 4.30?

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4.15? 4.30? Okay, give us time to get the animals in their stalls. I have to set up

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right as well. I hope somebody gets there before me because I have goats to get better

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down. You have, I mean, a five. Maybe that gives everybody a window. A little break. Yeah.

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Maybe a good five. Do you want that? Cheryl or do you want to go for 445 or?

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Well, it's a school. You can do 430. You can do 430. Let's do 430.

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Okay. I'll make sure they eat all day, they'll still be hungry at night. That's why they are goats.

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Okay, so 4.30 we start, cater dinner, we look forward to having you and to

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sharing fellowship, sharing dinner together.

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The way they know they don't have to bring anything,

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they don't have to do the dishes, they just have to be there. My Tony will do

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like an MC thing and he'll thank them for coming and then he'll invite them to

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come up and get there you know it'll be like you come and get your food it's

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upfront to wherever we set it up and then at the end before dessert or right

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after we'll do a you know wrap up of the day kind of pass the mic around maybe or just invite people

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wherever they're sitting don't leave anybody out about how it went at their place for the day

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and then maybe we could finish it off by saying you know any suggestions for next time we do it

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and in saying not next year we shouldn't say next year because sometimes we skip a year we do

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like every other year and that's a good thing too, you know, but any suggestions, any comments

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for the next time we do this, did you enjoy yourself, would you like to do it again?

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That kind of thing he's going to wrap that up for us.

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All right, let me, I will draft an email, loose, and send it to you for approval, all right,

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before I send you up.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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So I

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have just so you know, I have a different take on the word catered.

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I think because catered to me means that like the lazy bubble there and there, you know,

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creating the dinner and serving it and stuff.

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But certainly, can we say the food provided by filos, main course provided by filos?

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I know.

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That's beautiful.

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Okay.

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What do you think Naomi?

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me. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

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That's good because then they'll know not to

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you to tell you and write before them.

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Okay. And then all we have to do is get the greens

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from Brittany. Yeah, we're taking care of all that. You're gonna, you're gonna do, how do

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you want the invoices to you after you writing one check? Are you paying people individually

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layer? How's that going to work? Well, you know, maybe what I should be doing is

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emailing Andrew,

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sending him the current receipts, and asking him how

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this works.

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As far as the town cutting checks to people. Yeah.

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We've never done this before. Right.

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as

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you want to give you one check and then you meet us and you know divided up. I

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think I don't know. I honestly have any idea. I will email Andrew on that. Okay. I

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mean obviously I got to pay for the food before I before we eat it. So I'll put

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me an estimate.

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Tony had said like 125 for the lasagna in the in the bread. Is that about it?

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No, 120 was the lasagna and then or 125. I forget which one. And then the bread's 9 dollars

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a piece. We talked around about picking it up at a bakery. But none of us could find a figure out

435
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you know, nobody could get to turpolis in Northand or the Sunday.

436
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I mean, I'd love to go there.

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I could get some really nice French sticks,

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but they're up to like, they're all in a few,

439
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three, four, five bucks a piece now.

440
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But these are gonna be nine a piece,

441
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so I got three of them.

442
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Okay, so that's 27.

443
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Yeah, so 27 on top of what the lasagna was,

444
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I believe it was 125.

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That's it, and buy anything else.

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And then we'll just do the other stuff,

447
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the paper cups and Naomi's the drinks we're buying and I've got a list like I

448
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said Tony had a list and you just do the cider. Yeah so we'll each have some

449
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items to contribute. That's what I'm saying. Okay. Okay. All right. It's a committee

450
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worked well together and all right. Well thank you. That's great. Thank you

451
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I appreciate it. A great deal. Good. I hope it all brings out fun and everybody's just having a

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good time. You know, I hope the day is a good day. The weather is perfect. That would be great.

453
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I believe they're starting to turn. It's starting to really feel like fall now.

454
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Yeah, it'll be the first Saturday in a couple weeks. I mean, Sunday, excuse me, that will be sunny.

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I have a lot of people I bet.

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I think so.

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00:41:06,970 --> 00:41:07,590
It'll be fun.

458
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:08,270
Yeah.

459
00:41:08,990 --> 00:41:10,770
Certainly worked hard enough for it.

460
00:41:11,490 --> 00:41:11,770
All right.

461
00:41:12,730 --> 00:41:18,790
Let's move on to table of uses in the playing board.

462
00:41:19,330 --> 00:41:24,410
Eric, we wrote his letter by adding farms and so forth.

463
00:41:24,570 --> 00:41:25,870
And he centered around everybody.

464
00:41:28,210 --> 00:41:31,230
I had also drafted service short memo.

465
00:41:31,230 --> 00:41:40,690
but Erics is so secure to my effort. Let's just not even ditch my memo and let's

466
00:41:40,690 --> 00:41:46,910
focus on Erics' letter. All it does is add three new examples to the letter I wrote last year.

467
00:41:48,550 --> 00:41:51,930
I think it's great. Am I screened?

468
00:41:53,950 --> 00:41:57,050
Do you want to speed up? Are you bringing it up?

469
00:41:57,790 --> 00:42:00,870
Yeah, let's see. Do I need to be made a presenter?

470
00:42:01,290 --> 00:42:02,150
Yes, you do.

471
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,140
I'm done eating so I can switch my camera back on.

472
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,020
I've shoveled in a lot of it.

473
00:42:16,720 --> 00:42:17,940
All right, so you're a presenter now.

474
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,880
Okay, great. So,

475
00:42:22,930 --> 00:42:23,290
okay.

476
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:25,850
So,

477
00:42:29,140 --> 00:42:32,880
this is almost the same letter that I sent last year

478
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:35,300
as an individual.

479
00:42:35,300 --> 00:42:44,640
Well, Cheryl, I took basically your memo and I added, as part of the committee's effort

480
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:50,300
to review and vet the warrant articles, we request that the planning board includes

481
00:42:50,300 --> 00:42:57,080
writing stables and writing academies in the table of uses as an agricultural use, as

482
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:57,260
right.

483
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:04,580
And then the only other thing I did was, I said, following say a lot of numerous towns

484
00:43:04,580 --> 00:43:09,500
and Massachusetts have correctly exempted writing facilities from special permit requirements.

485
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:13,800
Importantly, that number includes three of our closest neighboring communities, but I also

486
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,680
added three new towns that I found since last year.

487
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:25,780
So, it was gotten, and there you can see their table of uses is set up like ours, writing

488
00:43:25,780 --> 00:43:44,660
Charles is under agricultural in all zones as a right, truck gardening, yes, truck gardening, truck gardening, truck gardening, yeah, that last thing grazing and farming, including truck gardening.

489
00:43:45,940 --> 00:43:49,420
I don't know what that is.

490
00:43:49,420 --> 00:43:52,740
People selling out of the back of their trucks.

491
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:56,320
No, it's a gardening raising and growing.

492
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,280
Maybe they use their trucks to garden.

493
00:43:59,000 --> 00:43:59,320
No.

494
00:43:59,480 --> 00:43:59,880
I guess.

495
00:43:59,940 --> 00:44:00,240
Wow.

496
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:01,580
Wouldn't get any sun.

497
00:44:02,540 --> 00:44:03,680
I've never heard of that.

498
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,340
No, like they use it to make a garden.

499
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,760
That's the sun, right, though.

500
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,800
Well, leave it to somebody's imagination.

501
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:12,800
I'm selling the truck.

502
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:14,280
There's no truck farming.

503
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:20,300
Is the practice of growing fruits, vegetables, and flowers which are sold directly to local

504
00:44:20,300 --> 00:44:27,800
consumers, restaurants, and goods and stores without a middleman?

505
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:33,160
The typical farmers and acres are more on which a wide variety of produce is grown.

506
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:34,700
Ten acres or more?

507
00:44:35,240 --> 00:44:35,560
Wow.

508
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,980
He said, this is, you know, Google.

509
00:44:38,580 --> 00:44:39,800
How do you take out the middleman?

510
00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:40,960
What does that mean?

511
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:51,000
We take a farm stand. You sell direct retail. Yeah. I've heard it. And you're on the move probably

512
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:56,780
if you're a truck and you have wheels. Yeah, is it just setting up at a corner of a intersection

513
00:44:56,780 --> 00:44:58,180
and with a table and...

514
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,440
I can't. Track. Starting foods, vegetables and flowers, which are sold directly to local consumers, restaurants and

515
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,560
commercial. May my thought is like the stop and shop be giant truck that they have the food in.

516
00:45:12,020 --> 00:45:16,560
Yeah, but there's it's not open. How does it get air and sunlight?

517
00:45:16,980 --> 00:45:24,320
You can't photosynthesize. Oh, listen to this. Oh, this is, this is, this is so.

518
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:30,520
So, trek gardening, more commonly known as trek farming or market gardening, is the commercial

519
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:35,980
practice of growing one or more vegetable fruit or flower crops on a relatively large scale

520
00:45:35,980 --> 00:45:38,760
specifically to be sold fresh in markets.

521
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:45,240
Despite what the name suggests, the word truck in this context does not originally come from

522
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:52,180
the motor vehicle, instead it derives from the old North French word to occur, which means

523
00:45:52,180 --> 00:46:00,300
to barter trade or exchange commodities, so it has nothing to do with trucks.

524
00:46:01,100 --> 00:46:02,400
Nothing really, no.

525
00:46:03,700 --> 00:46:06,500
Well, huh, I never heard of it.

526
00:46:06,980 --> 00:46:14,380
So including market god name in the hub as soon as they focus on less diverse select group

527
00:46:14,380 --> 00:46:20,520
of quick growing high value crops that can be grown efficiently in large quantities.

528
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:30,300
most anything. Excuse me. Anyway, this is great. You added all this. Yeah, and then so surely

529
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,300
requires a special permit for writing stable, but it no it's except that a horse Fimer stable

530
00:46:37,300 --> 00:46:43,900
that is otherwise exempt under state law shall not require a special permit. Nice. Towns in.

531
00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:46,300
and I love challenging.

532
00:46:46,940 --> 00:46:51,980
Yeah, it's permitted uses include agricultural operations for raising keeping and boarding

533
00:46:51,980 --> 00:46:57,520
horses including delivery and riding stables or other farm animals for commercial use as

534
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,800
provided in state law.

535
00:46:59,220 --> 00:46:59,440
Yeah.

536
00:46:59,980 --> 00:47:07,500
Then the three towns outside our region, the most obvious is Holland, which is similar to

537
00:47:07,500 --> 00:47:15,000
rotten. They have a table. They can see under a deep commercial writing stable allowed in all zones.

538
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:25,320
It's agricultural use. Plainfield and Menden were similar to Shirley. Right. What it just shows.

539
00:47:25,980 --> 00:47:33,420
Well, you know, go back to, sorry, what caught my eye here in Plainfield. They have writing academy

540
00:47:33,420 --> 00:47:40,200
me writing stable. So they've introduced the writing academy piece of it. Yeah. Yeah.

541
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,740
And I think that that's very important.

542
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:49,880
Yeah. And this is the language we've also suggested.

543
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,960
Right. Writing Academy.

544
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:58,940
Yes. Let's see. Did we actually give them? No.

545
00:48:01,720 --> 00:48:02,720
Maybe we need

546
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:12,200
to. I could put quotes under writing stables. Our current definition, I believe, we have

547
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:17,000
a definition of writing academies in the.

548
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,200
In the definitions? Yes, I believe so.

549
00:48:24,740 --> 00:48:31,340
What would the differentiation be between a stable and an academy? One could be more

550
00:48:31,340 --> 00:48:38,260
course boarding. Like four owners of horses to board their horse and ride on the property,

551
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:44,080
versus like our farm where we're riding, riding, boarding,

552
00:48:48,570 --> 00:48:51,290
etc. There's tables riding, boarding,

553
00:48:52,910 --> 00:48:56,790
and the horses. They're riding the boarding and the owning.

554
00:49:00,370 --> 00:49:06,270
I think what we should probably do

555
00:49:06,270 --> 00:49:10,910
is also provide them sort of a suggested,

556
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:12,730
suggestive language.

557
00:49:13,590 --> 00:49:13,950
Okay.

558
00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:18,650
What is the grantants?

559
00:49:19,530 --> 00:49:21,130
The grantants just says writing stables.

560
00:49:22,090 --> 00:49:23,310
But I think we wanted

561
00:49:26,220 --> 00:49:28,380
to include

562
00:49:29,500 --> 00:49:31,760
writing stables, writing academies.

563
00:49:31,860 --> 00:49:34,480
It goes back to, you know where it goes back to,

564
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:36,540
Eric is case law.

565
00:49:36,540 --> 00:49:46,200
law. And you had, you had quoted case law, settled at the operation of facility for

566
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:51,420
raising training, boarding of horses, giving riding lessons, and for the riding use of

567
00:49:51,420 --> 00:49:51,720
owners.

568
00:49:54,420 --> 00:49:56,100
So there

569
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:04,000
was some other language and, and some other case law too, but I would,

570
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,440
And I would pick that up.

571
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:08,260
Yeah.

572
00:50:08,660 --> 00:50:11,440
I mean, can we just see it routing and boarding facility?

573
00:50:12,980 --> 00:50:14,020
Make it simple?

574
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:15,820
No.

575
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:25,380
Naomi, I think in this case, my gut says if you can be specific, then you be specific.

576
00:50:26,140 --> 00:50:33,620
And if you can sort of copy some of the language from some of this case law, then you're

577
00:50:33,620 --> 00:50:36,420
You're really on solid ground.

578
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,700
So I can double check that tomorrow and add just one sentence.

579
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,800
Yeah, let's give them a suggestion rather than,

580
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,420
I mean, we're giving them proof, right?

581
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:48,700
Yes, right.

582
00:50:49,220 --> 00:50:53,680
So now they can see that it's not just in mass general law,

583
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,600
but it's the case law interpreting the general law

584
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,960
and that it's fairly expansive.

585
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,800
So I think in our approach to this,

586
00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:13,660
we should be as expansive as the case laws describing what we feel is by right because that's

587
00:51:13,660 --> 00:51:21,080
what the law is saying. Yeah. Okay. I'll go like that. That would be cool. So we kind of say,

588
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:27,560
here's the suggestion, rather than leaving it to the planning board to have a conversation that we're

589
00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:35,820
now. Right. Okay. Do that. That would be great. And the other thing that I was trying to slip in

590
00:51:35,820 --> 00:51:48,280
there, um, and I was the, uh, riding therapeutic riding. Yes. Because therapeutic riding requires

591
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:55,000
There's stabling, the training is stabling horses for this very specific clientele.

592
00:51:56,770 --> 00:52:00,360
It's been around for decades and decades.

593
00:52:00,940 --> 00:52:06,940
When Lex started riding as a 13-year-old, there were therapeutic riding programs where

594
00:52:06,940 --> 00:52:07,340
we were.

595
00:52:09,220 --> 00:52:17,540
This is not new, hippotherapy, this is not new, and it's well recognized for all of its medical

596
00:52:17,540 --> 00:52:31,740
benefits. And with the stateags review of the town of, I forgot the name, they're

597
00:52:31,740 --> 00:52:39,900
right to farm by law, where they said towns under homeral can't detract from the law, but

598
00:52:39,900 --> 00:52:49,120
they can add. Oh okay. You see I I was thinking that we should add the therapeutic writing to

599
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:58,800
this as well. Good idea. We're not subtracting. Right. Right. So if any business that uses horses

600
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:07,160
has to be added in. No I'm not saying that. I think that would be a real stretch but because

601
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:16,520
therapeutic writing is writing involves stabling involves licensing the

602
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:21,460
practitioners have to be licensed either a physical therapy and so forth. I

603
00:53:21,460 --> 00:53:31,600
mean when you read Laura Dennis's bio and it's been around since the 1970s

604
00:53:32,660 --> 00:53:33,180
1980s.

605
00:53:44,340 --> 00:53:52,900
We're not just calling, you know, any Tom Dick and Harry that says, oh, I've got a

606
00:53:52,900 --> 00:54:00,200
writing stable. I think it's, you know, it's very, you know, like, Townsend, what is Townsend's

607
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:00,640
language.

608
00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:09,250
Agriculture operations for raising keeping importing

609
00:54:09,250 --> 00:54:16,590
horses, just including livery and writing stables, livestock, therapeutic writing, or other

610
00:54:16,590 --> 00:54:20,230
farm animals for commercial use. Yeah, you could do that.

611
00:54:21,350 --> 00:54:27,470
Okay, yeah, I wonder if there isn't much case law on therapeutic writing in particular

612
00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:28,330
color that I saw.

613
00:54:32,100 --> 00:54:34,500
I mean I personally think this is a commercial use of

614
00:54:34,500 --> 00:54:41,900
horses. It's right. I mean it's called therapeutic writing, the therapy.

615
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:46,260
I mean you'll be used for like PTSD people too. Yes they do. I mean it's

616
00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:50,420
especially that a whole other, that's not therapeutic but it's like

617
00:54:50,420 --> 00:54:57,740
therapy. No it is not. It's physical therapy. It's physical therapy but either way it

618
00:54:57,740 --> 00:55:06,780
is writing. Yeah. So I feel like that should therapeutic rights should be included in

619
00:55:06,780 --> 00:55:13,260
the definition. Yeah. It's just no core as far as I know has said that. Well, then later

620
00:55:13,260 --> 00:55:20,180
on down the road, we'll find it. We'll find out. But if these, if the zoning by-law has

621
00:55:20,180 --> 00:55:27,800
to be reviewed by the attorney's general's office? I wonder if it does. Oh, but they

622
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:36,000
wouldn't oppose that. No, no, they're not going to oppose it. And I do think if someone

623
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:44,160
tried to argue therapeutic writing was not writing, what they're essentially saying is writing

624
00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:50,660
services for special needs clients does not count as writing. And that strikes me as

625
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:58,160
that's discrimination. I mean, like saying, is essentially an ADA compliant writing?

626
00:56:00,380 --> 00:56:12,280
It's used a lot for pediatric clientele a lot. And if you read the Clover Physical Therapy

627
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:30,540
website, the span of people from brain trauma to cystic fibrosis, MS, anything where motor

628
00:56:30,540 --> 00:56:34,880
capability can be improved by sitting on top of a horse.

629
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:39,560
Yeah, okay. I will model something maybe on

630
00:56:40,820 --> 00:56:48,420
Townsend just to have circulate it, but it's true. I mean if you go to Cloverlock, it's a it's a writing stable. They have I

631
00:56:49,300 --> 00:56:53,040
Think it there's a real estate physical and mental or we're just gonna say therapeutic

632
00:56:55,700 --> 00:57:01,720
Yeah, because it could be both I mean if hippotherapy is the

633
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:13,500
the name that's being used today, whereas maybe my terminology is a little old-fashioned.

634
00:57:13,740 --> 00:57:15,260
We can just use hypotherapy.

635
00:57:16,740 --> 00:57:17,820
And that refers to both.

636
00:57:18,660 --> 00:57:21,400
Yeah, therapeutic riding, hypotherapy.

637
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,200
Hopefully, it also includes mental health.

638
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:34,580
But other people might not know that, so why don't we just stick to defining that, like we said, they're a pewter-grading, wouldn't include anything.

639
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,040
It's much more common term.

640
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:39,260
Yeah, right.

641
00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:39,660
Okay.

642
00:57:40,580 --> 00:57:42,780
I'll re-circulate that tomorrow then.

643
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:43,700
Yeah.

644
00:57:44,260 --> 00:57:45,580
Which is by Friday.

645
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,920
Okay, that sounds fine.

646
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,620
Is it the word public hearing on Monday?

647
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:54,440
Public hearing is on Monday.

648
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:02,200
It's the planning board can decide that they can keep the public hearing open.

649
00:58:03,540 --> 00:58:05,400
They don't have to close it Monday.

650
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,300
They can keep it open for another week or two weeks.

651
00:58:12,060 --> 00:58:15,440
That's an unknown how they want to handle it.

652
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:21,080
If they are still receiving comments, they might keep it open in

653
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:26,040
any event. We're just going to

654
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:31,600
Trundle along and do what we can do in the time we have, you know, hey

655
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,860
This is such a fast deadline

656
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:43,000
We'll tell a meeting coming up and we still have tell a meeting on our

657
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:49,580
What is that again? It's a November. It's on a Saturday

658
00:58:51,360 --> 00:58:59,340
I think it's November 7th in the morning in the morning at 9 o'clock in the morning.

659
00:59:04,660 --> 00:59:06,980
Over at Nisitisit.

660
00:59:07,380 --> 00:59:07,900
Yeah.

661
00:59:12,690 --> 00:59:14,390
And we want all the farmers there, right?

662
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:15,130
We do.

663
00:59:17,010 --> 00:59:20,230
That's the, you know, choreo morning, but.

664
00:59:20,530 --> 00:59:20,730
Yeah.

665
00:59:21,610 --> 00:59:23,390
It's chore hour for these farmers.

666
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:27,450
Um, what time, what time are farms not working?

667
00:59:28,590 --> 00:59:29,110
I know.

668
00:59:31,730 --> 00:59:36,990
Well, maybe that's something that should be said at, um, as a final comment,

669
00:59:37,250 --> 00:59:42,890
perhaps Cheryl in the, um, in the dinner, you know, before we say goodbye to

670
00:59:42,890 --> 00:59:48,570
everybody, um, if you could write something up for Tony to read, that would be

671
00:59:48,570 --> 00:59:53,270
awesome. You know, what we had a role in doing in as many farmers,

672
00:59:53,390 --> 00:59:57,030
however you want to say it, you have a nice way of saying things.

673
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:26,980
Oh, that's how I can do something for this group. Yeah, or for the town, whatever. All right. Well, we can talk some more on that one too. So we'll get this one off by the end of the week. That would be great. And then I also felt that we should go through the table of uses because there are other references to agriculture in the table of uses. Yeah.

674
01:00:26,980 --> 01:00:34,290
Um, and I can pull it up and

675
01:00:36,660 --> 01:00:40,700
see, Eric, do we need you to present anything else?

676
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,260
I don't think so.

677
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,940
So we have two members. Oh, you sent one of the memos already to the

678
01:00:48,940 --> 01:00:55,480
planning board, right? Any agricultural use, uh, good. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I sent that.

679
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,240
Let me see if, this

680
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:09,740
is the article, I wish your vacation Eric, it was really nice.

681
01:01:10,500 --> 01:01:16,000
Yeah, we actually bought frozen lasagna and had a dinner at Emily's parents,

682
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,960
taking a small version of the next week.

683
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:24,180
Awesome. Let me see if I can share.

684
01:01:28,550 --> 01:01:29,150
Here it is.

685
01:01:31,290 --> 01:01:32,430
You see it?

686
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:34,710
It's coming I think.

687
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:37,880
Oh yeah.

688
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:38,680
Yeah.

689
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:39,760
You see it?

690
01:01:39,980 --> 01:01:40,960
Can't read it.

691
01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:41,960
I don't know.

692
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:42,920
Get it.

693
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:43,260
Oh.

694
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:44,560
Okay.

695
01:01:46,910 --> 01:01:47,730
Is that better?

696
01:01:48,330 --> 01:01:48,530
Oh.

697
01:01:51,210 --> 01:01:52,210
Maybe even bigger.

698
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:57,410
Better?

699
01:01:58,930 --> 01:01:59,690
Mm-hmm.

700
01:02:00,710 --> 01:02:02,390
So, all I'm seeing is my screen.

701
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:05,150
So, I can't see what it's looking like on...

702
01:02:05,150 --> 01:02:05,770
Oh, I see.

703
01:02:05,870 --> 01:02:06,390
There it is.

704
01:02:07,710 --> 01:02:08,270
Uh...

705
01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:09,190
So, what is it?

706
01:02:09,190 --> 01:02:10,470
Right through. What are those?

707
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:19,480
How's that better? Oh, yeah. Yep. All right. What are those strike

708
01:02:19,480 --> 01:02:29,440
throughs for? Well, the strike throughs are that instead of the board of selectmen, for instance,

709
01:02:29,440 --> 01:02:39,880
on accessory daycare facility, they're inserting the planning board. These columns reference each

710
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:48,360
zoning district in town. Okay, so we start at the top here. So you have, can you

711
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:58,520
see this? World residential, town residential, recreational residential, suburban

712
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:05,440
residential, urban residential, commercial and industrial. Those are the zoning

713
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:06,360
Districts in town.

714
01:03:08,610 --> 01:03:18,310
And you can see here on the left what is allowed from single family

715
01:03:18,310 --> 01:03:25,350
to family dwelling, multi-family dwelling. And every time you see something like PB, that

716
01:03:28,110 --> 01:03:34,610
requires I think planning board review and special permitting.

717
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:38,200
So when you see something

718
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:48,000
that has wise and ends on it. These are allowed by right and says no it's not allowed at all.

719
01:03:50,200 --> 01:03:58,500
So if you look at manufactured modular prefab home community it's allowed in rural residential

720
01:03:58,500 --> 01:04:09,140
and town residential but nowhere else. The accessory dwelling unit is the new state law

721
01:04:09,140 --> 01:04:18,740
and so it is now allowed by right in all districts except for commercial and

722
01:04:18,740 --> 01:04:19,580
industrial.

723
01:04:23,140 --> 01:04:29,160
So here is where the exempt uses come in. This is this is ag and

724
01:04:31,470 --> 01:04:33,250
I

725
01:04:33,250 --> 01:04:42,610
don't know what the new language is going to be. We've suggested language to

726
01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:53,090
substitute all of this. And you can see that it is allowed by right in all zoning districts.

727
01:05:02,460 --> 01:05:13,920
There's childcare is allowed by right. Churches are allowed by right. Then you have governmental

728
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:17,580
or institutional uses,

729
01:05:19,750 --> 01:05:25,170
and here, cemeteries is not a selectman, but it's a planning board.

730
01:05:26,390 --> 01:05:34,570
That's the body that oversees the special permitting. Public recreational facilities

731
01:05:34,570 --> 01:05:36,250
are allowed by right everywhere.

732
01:05:40,780 --> 01:05:48,440
You don't have Section D commercial uses and this is where I want to draw your attention.

733
01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:52,320
Because it has...

734
01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:53,800
What is the last three?

735
01:05:54,620 --> 01:05:58,760
So commercial, industrial and urban residential?

736
01:05:59,260 --> 01:06:03,380
Urban residential, commercial and industrial.

737
01:06:04,320 --> 01:06:06,340
So what's considered urban residential?

738
01:06:07,040 --> 01:06:15,320
This is a zoning map and I can bring that up as well but this is the center of

739
01:06:15,320 --> 01:06:21,840
town. Urban residential is kind of shaped oddly.

740
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:26,180
Part of it sits right

741
01:06:26,180 --> 01:06:40,900
behind railroad square along, I guess, low-street in between railroad street,

742
01:06:41,220 --> 01:06:47,660
low-street in that area back there. Then there's another section of it that is

743
01:06:47,660 --> 01:06:55,260
around Hollis Street, Cross Street in that area there.

744
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,620
You can see the zoning

745
01:06:58,620 --> 01:07:06,240
maps on the town website. And I can send you the zoning map, too. Do you want me to do that?

746
01:07:09,380 --> 01:07:16,000
Is that a yes? Yeah. Sure. So you know what this is referencing.

747
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:22,340
But they have here commercial

748
01:07:22,340 --> 01:07:31,900
uses. And here, they've got non-exempt commercial greenhouse, non-exempt dairy,

749
01:07:31,900 --> 01:07:40,760
poultry or livestock farm, non-exempt farm or nursery, this and then they've got fur farm

750
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:43,920
or pigery on non-exempt parcels.

751
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:45,480
What do they mean by educational use?

752
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:47,820
Like using the animals for educational use?

753
01:07:48,740 --> 01:07:53,220
No, I think educational use has to do with actual schools or educational.

754
01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:55,120
Oh, that's not all it takes.

755
01:07:56,900 --> 01:07:58,640
Yeah, I think it's unrelated.

756
01:07:59,280 --> 01:07:59,540
Okay.

757
01:07:59,540 --> 01:08:13,550
But this is, now you have a whole grouping of agricultural non-exempt uses under this

758
01:08:13,550 --> 01:08:15,830
commercial uses heading.

759
01:08:17,050 --> 01:08:20,030
And I don't know how I feel about that.

760
01:08:21,330 --> 01:08:24,890
I don't, a non-exempt commercial greenhouse,

761
01:08:29,130 --> 01:08:30,290
what would that be?

762
01:08:31,250 --> 01:08:31,670
Exactly.

763
01:08:32,670 --> 01:08:38,330
I mean, something that doesn't meet the sales threshold or something that's smaller than

764
01:08:38,330 --> 01:08:39,050
two acres?

765
01:08:40,530 --> 01:08:44,770
All I can think of is that it's on less than two acres.

766
01:08:45,250 --> 01:08:47,490
So this means you can't, you can't do anything.

767
01:08:49,410 --> 01:08:57,350
Well, it's saying, yes, that a non-exempt commercial greenhouse, like what the, what the

768
01:08:57,350 --> 01:09:02,630
know for the urban residential. That's exactly. That's no urban residential.

769
01:09:03,690 --> 01:09:08,190
And it wasn't it also a no in the industrial?

770
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:14,810
I mean, what if you have enough land in urban residential to do something and it makes

771
01:09:14,810 --> 01:09:22,460
deferral? I don't know why they have non-exempt commercial greenhouse as a no in industrial.

772
01:09:29,420 --> 01:09:37,660
I mean, I thought it was with the hydroponic, the one that was in the fish.

773
01:09:38,580 --> 01:09:46,800
This is the other memo that we haven't yet settled on to the planning board, but this

774
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:55,740
would, little leaf is a commercial hydroponic greenhouse and it's large enough that it

775
01:09:55,740 --> 01:10:02,240
It really is an industrial model of agriculture, right?

776
01:10:02,580 --> 01:10:04,180
It's an industrial scale.

777
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:05,340
Yeah.

778
01:10:06,460 --> 01:10:06,920
And so...

779
01:10:07,460 --> 01:10:07,780
Out.

780
01:10:10,430 --> 01:10:12,610
They're growing lead, let us.

781
01:10:13,290 --> 01:10:13,470
Right.

782
01:10:14,830 --> 01:10:15,590
I mean, what's there?

783
01:10:16,350 --> 01:10:19,750
What's there, like, consensus on why not?

784
01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:22,170
Who's in that area?

785
01:10:22,530 --> 01:10:25,890
Like, is there a specific danger or something?

786
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:36,840
This table of use would have been written decades ago, so there's no one to ask why they

787
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:37,760
set it up like this.

788
01:10:38,600 --> 01:10:44,920
Yeah, I just, I find this confusing, I don't quite get it.

789
01:10:45,820 --> 01:10:57,360
And then they've got the BOS here in urban residential, this is the urban residential, and

790
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:03,700
And non-exempt farm or nursery, I don't, what does the BOS have to do with that?

791
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:15,420
Then you've got a fur farm or a pigery on non-exempt parcel.

792
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,340
So as farm stand have to do, is that added in?

793
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,600
Yeah, the non-exempt farm stand.

794
01:11:34,230 --> 01:11:39,690
Anyway, I find this odd, there's a non-exempt farm stand here too.

795
01:11:40,450 --> 01:11:41,130
right.

796
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:48,040
They've got bed and breakfast in here.

797
01:11:50,720 --> 01:11:51,580
What is B.A.

798
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,980
I don't know. Board of

799
01:11:55,980 --> 01:12:01,860
assessors maybe that would be the zoning board of appeals. Okay. You adapt to

800
01:12:01,860 --> 01:12:04,720
reuse overlay district. What is that?

801
01:12:10,710 --> 01:12:15,270
But we have farms that have and many

802
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:18,090
farms do this. Operating is a bed and breakfast.

803
01:12:23,930 --> 01:12:28,330
Yeah, there are farm stays. So which ones

804
01:12:28,330 --> 01:12:30,850
in, is there a specific ones in town that do that?

805
01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:35,450
Hmm, thanks. Well, Dragonfly farm.

806
01:12:35,790 --> 01:12:39,270
I think in Airbnb, that's a, and people go, do Airbnb.

807
01:12:42,940 --> 01:12:46,900
A Dragonfly farm did a whole bed

808
01:12:46,900 --> 01:12:49,900
and breakfast thing for a while. I don't know if they still do.

809
01:12:51,260 --> 01:12:52,460
They don't do it anymore.

810
01:12:53,480 --> 01:12:54,180
Oh, there's Johnny.

811
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:55,220
Hi, Tony.

812
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:58,640
Sorry, I'm late.

813
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:02,800
It's okay. We were going through this section here at Tony.

814
01:13:03,060 --> 01:13:04,380
Can you see it on the screen?

815
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:06,460
I mean, is there anything about flowers?

816
01:13:06,940 --> 01:13:09,200
What if someone just does flowers? What's that?

817
01:13:09,860 --> 01:13:12,080
That would count as a agriculture. That's flora culture.

818
01:13:12,640 --> 01:13:12,920
Yeah.

819
01:13:14,940 --> 01:13:34,600
section Tony and we've been scratching your heads on it and maybe it's just we just don't understand it obviously but under commercial uses it has non exempt commercial greenhouse non exempt dairy poultry or livestock farm non exempt farm or nursery

820
01:13:35,720 --> 01:13:45,120
And the BOS would be the authority to grant, I guess, a special permit if it occurs in urban

821
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:45,780
residential.

822
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:50,480
And then, of course, the fur farm or pigery on non-exant parcel.

823
01:13:51,140 --> 01:13:51,980
This whole...

824
01:13:51,980 --> 01:13:55,100
It was a fur farm like sheep and...

825
01:13:55,100 --> 01:13:56,420
No, it's like mink.

826
01:13:57,740 --> 01:13:58,720
Like skinny animals.

827
01:14:00,300 --> 01:14:02,940
It's not as big of a thing anymore, but...

828
01:14:02,940 --> 01:14:03,100
No.

829
01:14:03,100 --> 01:14:10,200
It wasn't like spinning the wall and making. Oh, it's like coats like Prole de Ville on

830
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:13,340
one and one. Yeah. That's what it is.

831
01:14:16,140 --> 01:14:19,200
It's raising animals for their pelts.

832
01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:28,840
That's not so much of a thing. Yeah. Yeah. There are. There are. What are a bunch of

833
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:38,000
farms in Minnesota? There was a. Yeah, and they were. Exactly. I remember that. Yeah.

834
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:43,220
This is the section that I'm puzzled about.

835
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:47,740
How can we get information about it?

836
01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:56,240
I guess we can ask Jason, just say we're looking at commercial uses as they relate to the table

837
01:15:01,500 --> 01:15:11,600
We don't understand what's going on here. Except that it just that it's either the sales

838
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:16,320
aren't high enough or the size isn't large enough. That's all I can think of.

839
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:25,240
Well, if it's a commercial greenhouse, then it has to be on land that's two acres and

840
01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:34,820
more, right? Now, it is, it is allowed by right in all of these areas here.

841
01:15:35,520 --> 01:15:39,420
Yeah, except the urban residential and industrial.

842
01:15:40,140 --> 01:15:44,100
Yeah. What if people do like education, like they have a school, but it's a farm,

843
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:53,540
but that go under educational use could go under both, but the exemption for farms

844
01:15:53,540 --> 01:16:00,680
and agriculture is in the same part of state law, farms education and religion.

845
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:16,740
So I just, I don't know, I thought I would raise it with a group and that maybe everybody

846
01:16:16,740 --> 01:16:20,560
can kind of figure out what's going on here.

847
01:16:21,540 --> 01:16:28,940
The hydroponic idea I think comes in another section.

848
01:16:31,420 --> 01:16:38,460
But this fur farm or Piggory, I think we've got to respond to that because it basically

849
01:16:38,460 --> 01:16:49,340
is saying a Piggory on non-exempt parcel, which I guess is under two acres, is raising

850
01:16:50,060 --> 01:16:55,530
It's fine. It's not allowed anywhere in town.

851
01:16:56,110 --> 01:16:57,490
With a lot under two acres?

852
01:16:58,630 --> 01:17:02,690
That's... I assume if it's not exempt. Right?

853
01:17:03,570 --> 01:17:03,810
Yeah.

854
01:17:05,900 --> 01:17:11,180
I mean, is the reason because there's not enough land for that many pigs.

855
01:17:11,780 --> 01:17:12,840
People think pigs smell.

856
01:17:13,740 --> 01:17:13,920
Yeah.

857
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:19,500
So Dave Sears' comment was when I was talking to him about it today.

858
01:17:19,500 --> 01:17:24,800
He said the only thing I'm quoting him, the only thing I would comment on is the term

859
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:27,080
they insist on using which is Piggory.

860
01:17:28,170 --> 01:17:35,380
If they truly wish to restrict factory style, confinement, confined livestock operations,

861
01:17:35,740 --> 01:17:40,240
then maybe Piggory isn't the proper verbiage.

862
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:48,200
If the desire is the desire to restrict swine from even existing in PAPROL, question mark,

863
01:17:49,330 --> 01:17:51,800
they need to utilize different terminology.

864
01:17:53,290 --> 01:17:59,640
Everybody's connotation of a pigrie is vastly different than a pasture-based swine operation.

865
01:18:01,750 --> 01:18:10,220
Piggery is, if you look it up under AI or Wikipedia and stuff, that's terminology from the

866
01:18:10,220 --> 01:18:10,360
Yeah.

867
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,000
And it really has, I

868
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:17,700
don't know.

869
01:18:19,140 --> 01:18:21,520
Yeah, pickery is a livestock farm.

870
01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:23,240
Yes.

871
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:27,240
Which under the commercial use to allow

872
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,560
it as a right and all, but what the commercial industrial

873
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:31,320
and urban residents are.

874
01:18:31,340 --> 01:18:34,200
Is this outdated terminology?

875
01:18:35,140 --> 01:18:36,220
Yeah, I think so.

876
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:38,120
It very much is.

877
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:45,980
And the question here is, this is so inexact, non-exempt parcel.

878
01:18:46,260 --> 01:18:48,800
What is, are you saying, under two acres?

879
01:18:54,540 --> 01:18:58,060
But what about the kid who belongs to 4-H?

880
01:18:58,260 --> 01:19:01,200
And he wants to raise a pig for 4-H?

881
01:19:04,300 --> 01:19:05,680
It's not a pigery.

882
01:19:06,540 --> 01:19:08,320
I mean, it's just...

883
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:12,220
I think isn't personal livestock allowed in all zones?

884
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:14,620
I mean, how much is considered a figure?

885
01:19:15,020 --> 01:19:17,540
Like how many pigs is considered a tree?

886
01:19:17,820 --> 01:19:20,080
Oh, excuse me.

887
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:23,240
I don't

888
01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:29,600
know. I just, I don't quite know what to do here.

889
01:19:30,540 --> 01:19:31,760
Yeah, that is true.

890
01:19:35,990 --> 01:19:41,050
I think a quick call to MDOT, ask what's the, the, the, the contemporary term for

891
01:19:43,250 --> 01:19:49,270
Yeah, that's better than Piggly, we're raising Piggly, yes.

892
01:19:50,890 --> 01:19:51,590
Yeah,

893
01:19:54,560 --> 01:20:01,100
well can people just think about this section and also think about what we do with

894
01:20:01,100 --> 01:20:01,640
the Piggory?

895
01:20:02,420 --> 01:20:02,700
Yeah.

896
01:20:05,220 --> 01:20:06,780
We give them a pasture.

897
01:20:07,620 --> 01:20:09,340
You need to lead it.

898
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:10,540
And some shade.

899
01:20:10,540 --> 01:20:19,060
live stock farm. I don't think you can exclude raising pigs from other

900
01:20:19,060 --> 01:20:22,240
livestock operations. I can either.

901
01:20:29,250 --> 01:20:34,310
My husband won't let me do it. Can we

902
01:20:42,210 --> 01:20:42,650
move on?

903
01:20:43,370 --> 01:20:48,270
We're all tired. I know and then you've got a non-exempt farm stand here.

904
01:20:52,650 --> 01:20:58,910
There's so much here, I just wanted to scroll through it so that you guys knew what was

905
01:20:58,910 --> 01:20:59,570
going on.

906
01:21:00,770 --> 01:21:06,450
And for us to pick through what we think is agriculturally relevant.

907
01:21:07,950 --> 01:21:08,790
Here we go.

908
01:21:08,810 --> 01:21:15,690
Can you get some definitions and then we, some clarity rather and then we meet again for

909
01:21:15,690 --> 01:21:16,010
the purposes.

910
01:21:16,010 --> 01:21:22,940
Is any that's up top there is I'm sorry what?

911
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:29,420
Eating beach miniature golf course

912
01:21:32,040 --> 01:21:37,300
Bowling alley. I'm thinking of like the marijuana micro like growing it.

913
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:43,520
Wait, under mark. You know where the writing academy is now there's something marked no.

914
01:21:44,980 --> 01:21:50,700
one of the residential, okay, commercial recreation can't vote or can you

915
01:21:50,700 --> 01:21:56,540
live a marine arriving can you? Oh, word one of them says no now which one is

916
01:21:56,540 --> 01:22:04,480
that? Oh, urban residential. Oh, it's residential. Is that suburban residential?

917
01:22:04,720 --> 01:22:08,760
Urban, you know, suburban residential. So that has to be it. That's that's real

918
01:22:08,760 --> 01:22:16,060
recreational, isn't it? What about the RCR, what's that? And RCR is recreational

919
01:22:16,700 --> 01:22:23,680
residential. And that shouldn't be a no. Marshall recreation camps are four. I mean

920
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:24,200
originally.

921
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:32,140
There's the canoe livery marina. Well, we've got we've got to flag the

922
01:22:32,140 --> 01:22:36,180
writing academy thing under that heading that's not right well

923
01:22:39,090 --> 01:22:44,010
why thank you for spotting that

924
01:22:45,250 --> 01:22:52,290
yeah and then no why would they want to block a recreational camp in the rural recreational

925
01:22:52,290 --> 01:22:53,290
district

926
01:22:56,620 --> 01:23:02,840
that's odd isn't it yeah isn't that the isn't that the definition of that

927
01:23:03,820 --> 01:23:06,960
Is landscaping into considered agriculture?

928
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:09,160
No.

929
01:23:12,430 --> 01:23:12,870
Okay.

930
01:23:13,130 --> 01:23:17,770
So we can comment on this because it includes a writing academy.

931
01:23:19,450 --> 01:23:25,130
It's recreational residents, but still recreational is in the definition.

932
01:23:28,200 --> 01:23:28,380
Yeah.

933
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:29,440
That doesn't make sense.

934
01:23:35,380 --> 01:23:37,580
Well, shouldn't they say a writing academy is stable?

935
01:23:41,860 --> 01:23:47,660
Liam, what I think I'm saying is that we've just gone through this whole thing about

936
01:23:47,660 --> 01:23:53,940
writing stables, writing academies and so forth, that we're going to send off to the planning

937
01:23:53,940 --> 01:24:04,740
board that is as a right, here they've got included writing academy in this recreational

938
01:24:04,740 --> 01:24:19,200
use is and it's not as a right. You need planning board approval in recreational and suburban.

939
01:24:20,460 --> 01:24:29,250
Well, send it be a yes instead of planning because it should be this should all be in terms of

940
01:24:29,250 --> 01:24:34,990
writing Academy, anyway, this should all be yeses. So they've they've lumped

941
01:24:34,990 --> 01:24:41,470
these camp, the vote, canoeing, marina, and writing Academy all together, and

942
01:24:41,470 --> 01:24:43,170
the writing Academy doesn't belong.

943
01:24:45,370 --> 01:24:48,210
What is a writing Academy? They get a

944
01:24:48,210 --> 01:24:52,830
computer, they can't be a writing Academy. There's a

945
01:24:52,830 --> 01:24:54,970
camp that just has a writing,

946
01:24:58,310 --> 01:25:00,630
like say it's a camp, but it's just for writing.

947
01:25:00,630 --> 01:25:09,230
Sure. There's a definition of writing academy. It's a licensed establishment where horses

948
01:25:09,230 --> 01:25:18,690
are kept for sale writing, for compensation, or incidental to the operation of a club association

949
01:25:18,690 --> 01:25:20,250
or similar establishment.

950
01:25:22,780 --> 01:25:29,620
It might not be a farm facility. It might be some other more commercial.

951
01:25:29,620 --> 01:25:35,480
Well, Tony, we were asked to apply for a special permit

952
01:25:35,480 --> 01:25:36,540
as a writing academy.

953
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:40,200
Was it six years ago?

954
01:25:40,620 --> 01:25:40,880
Yes.

955
01:25:41,740 --> 01:25:48,540
So this was the use that started all the fun for us.

956
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:49,200
Yes.

957
01:25:52,090 --> 01:25:57,030
And what we've done, Tony, is we've gone through case law

958
01:25:58,050 --> 01:26:06,090
case law that includes writing stables, writing, academy, and so forth, as an agricultural

959
01:26:06,090 --> 01:26:07,550
use by right.

960
01:26:12,770 --> 01:26:18,150
So, I mean, they could be lumping together two things, one horse farms, the other camps

961
01:26:18,150 --> 01:26:27,190
like YMCA that lease horses for the summer and offer writing as one of the activities for

962
01:26:27,190 --> 01:26:36,130
campers but it's not the main part of the camp. Well I thought is if it's just a camp that

963
01:26:36,130 --> 01:26:40,330
does write what's the difference what would be the difference if they say oh this is camp

964
01:26:40,330 --> 01:26:50,290
whatever and I just ride like they market it as a camp but it's on a farm. Yeah there'd be no difference

965
01:26:50,290 --> 01:26:54,870
I mean, we're a farm who has a license to operate a camp.

966
01:26:55,350 --> 01:26:55,730
Yeah.

967
01:26:58,510 --> 01:27:08,490
So I think in Hollis has a horse show ground in a building that I think houses some horses.

968
01:27:09,330 --> 01:27:10,370
But it's not a farm.

969
01:27:10,670 --> 01:27:13,890
It's a horse activity area.

970
01:27:14,650 --> 01:27:14,830
Right.

971
01:27:15,090 --> 01:27:17,210
I wonder if that would be fallen on a academy.

972
01:27:17,210 --> 01:27:25,010
way. Oh, because they have the ring lumped in with all the hills and all that. Yeah.

973
01:27:27,190 --> 01:27:27,750
Oh,

974
01:27:27,870 --> 01:27:36,770
that that introduces, yeah, you have a horse show ground. Oh, that's correct. Yeah. Yeah,

975
01:27:36,770 --> 01:27:43,850
it's just for, you know, shows and the recreational use because it's a wreck facility. It's a

976
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:45,410
And it's owned by the town.

977
01:27:45,930 --> 01:27:46,370
Yes.

978
01:27:47,710 --> 01:27:52,990
Brought to the, of course, barked to the ground.

979
01:27:53,510 --> 01:27:53,750
Yeah.

980
01:27:59,290 --> 01:27:59,890
All right.

981
01:28:00,050 --> 01:28:00,970
So again.

982
01:28:01,570 --> 01:28:02,970
We should be removed that.

983
01:28:03,310 --> 01:28:04,650
This should be removed.

984
01:28:05,150 --> 01:28:05,590
Yeah.

985
01:28:14,660 --> 01:28:15,260
Let's see.

986
01:28:18,150 --> 01:28:19,050
Moving down.

987
01:28:19,210 --> 01:28:22,790
There's a composting facility here.

988
01:28:22,990 --> 01:28:25,370
So is the marijuana not related?

989
01:28:25,370 --> 01:28:32,210
if you're growing it as part of greenhouse and other. I don't think it's

990
01:28:32,210 --> 01:28:37,590
farming. I don't know if people just I mean it's a type of

991
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:44,940
plant. Yeah. I don't know

992
01:28:45,820 --> 01:28:48,980
what's the difference between hemp and marijuana.

993
01:28:52,270 --> 01:28:53,410
I know there was a

994
01:28:56,350 --> 01:29:08,930
It's a commercial product that has less than 3% THC in it, and marijuana would be that

995
01:29:09,910 --> 01:29:14,470
the additional or recreational use of which THC is a higher level.

996
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:26,720
So, ones for textiles, commercial uses, the other ones for getting high.

997
01:29:27,620 --> 01:29:27,760
Right.

998
01:29:28,180 --> 01:29:33,840
So, hemp would fall under agriculture, and they have a whole section just on marijuana.

999
01:29:35,020 --> 01:29:38,880
So, they're not considering marijuana as being an agricultural product.

1000
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,300
I think that's what it is.

1001
01:29:42,300 --> 01:29:47,380
MDOT considers it an agricultural product because you get a license to grow it to MDOT.

1002
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:48,780
Oh really?

1003
01:29:49,620 --> 01:29:50,340
Oh yeah.

1004
01:29:50,580 --> 01:29:56,720
Remember there was a farm that grew it in Pepperel and they had a sino front something

1005
01:29:56,720 --> 01:29:57,020
about.

1006
01:30:01,010 --> 01:30:09,970
So it's license through there. So there's a whole section here, Tony, on marijuana.

1007
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:16,820
We had somebody

1008
01:30:16,820 --> 01:30:23,160
in town applied for that license. And the select board assigned that licensing opportunity

1009
01:30:23,160 --> 01:30:29,960
to that party, they were going to open up an indoor facility in Lomar Park, never have

1010
01:30:30,720 --> 01:30:35,060
those Christine Simons and another person together.

1011
01:30:39,480 --> 01:30:41,980
Mary White is almost exclusively growing

1012
01:30:41,980 --> 01:30:44,080
indoors in a controlled environment.

1013
01:30:49,180 --> 01:30:52,140
This is the tail end of the Table of

1014
01:30:52,140 --> 01:30:58,840
Uses. It's got here the keeping of domestic animals in a garden primarily intended for

1015
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:04,600
use an enjoyment of a household, why that's in the table of uses, I have no idea, but

1016
01:31:04,600 --> 01:31:11,240
it's loud by right, me, seriously, why would you put that in the table of uses?

1017
01:31:12,480 --> 01:31:18,120
Then they have the keeping of non-domestic animals for personal enjoyment or household

1018
01:31:18,120 --> 01:31:27,480
use, accessory to a residential use, and it's allowed except in urban residential and

1019
01:31:27,480 --> 01:31:29,140
Of course, commercial and industrial.

1020
01:31:29,920 --> 01:31:32,920
Would that be, like, exotic animals?

1021
01:31:33,940 --> 01:31:34,960
Are we talking snakes?

1022
01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:36,200
Like lefards?

1023
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:36,980
What?

1024
01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:41,060
Lions and giraffes and hippopotamus and elephants.

1025
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:42,740
All right.

1026
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:46,780
I mean, what about like peacocks, I don't know.

1027
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:47,480
Yes.

1028
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:49,300
One of those Peafap, no.

1029
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:57,240
I think we need a definition of what a non-domestic animal

1030
01:31:57,240 --> 01:32:02,820
is for personal enjoyment. I don't understand that one at all.

1031
01:32:26,420 --> 01:32:27,220
It'd be a

1032
01:32:27,220 --> 01:32:33,600
ground-mounted solar energy, small scale, but if it gets larger than small scale, it requires

1033
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:42,840
planning board permitting, and it's not allowed in recreational, residential, or urban residential.

1034
01:32:43,660 --> 01:32:46,200
So, isn't it supposed to be just for commercial use,

1035
01:32:51,060 --> 01:32:52,620
this whole table,

1036
01:32:55,390 --> 01:32:57,190
that doesn't say just for

1037
01:32:57,190 --> 01:33:05,530
commercial use. This is my keeping of domestic animals and gardens per million

1038
01:33:05,530 --> 01:33:07,750
ten for use of enjoyment of a household.

1039
01:33:10,410 --> 01:33:13,190
Why this is all lumped together? Naomi, I think

1040
01:33:13,190 --> 01:33:17,570
that's really the question. I have no. What do they consider on the list of domestic?

1041
01:33:18,570 --> 01:33:25,210
Like what's there? I don't know. Naomi, I don't know. I don't understand why that's even there.

1042
01:33:25,210 --> 01:33:32,250
Because my thought is you have a small chicken coop and you have about, you know, six chickens.

1043
01:33:36,350 --> 01:33:38,330
Yeah, but that seems to say yes.

1044
01:33:39,310 --> 01:33:40,470
And everything's yes.

1045
01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:42,750
But why are you lumping these?

1046
01:33:43,130 --> 01:33:46,670
I'm just thinking of the, like any urban residential.

1047
01:33:48,110 --> 01:33:49,030
Oh wait, hold up.

1048
01:33:49,590 --> 01:33:50,550
Are you looking at the wrong?

1049
01:33:51,830 --> 01:33:55,870
No, if you're looking at the wrong one, never mind.

1050
01:33:57,570 --> 01:34:02,490
So at the very end, the last line item is data centers

1051
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:12,940
and they are allowed by right in industrial.

1052
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:21,340
special permit. Special permit.

1053
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:44,260
So, so, so the main board would have to review and do a special permit. But when we spoke to Jason Clegghorn, I, I recall him saying that data centers were off. The data centers were off.

1054
01:34:44,260 --> 01:34:46,940
table but they're not.

1055
01:34:49,820 --> 01:34:53,900
But I guess this is the section that we're

1056
01:34:53,900 --> 01:34:58,040
ready to write something up about industrial scale hydroponic

1057
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:04,240
greenhouses. This is where you'd put it along with the. So you put it

1058
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:08,980
under data center. Now this is this section. I mean other uses.

1059
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:11,640
Oh, okay. You might put it.

1060
01:35:14,590 --> 01:35:15,250
All right.

1061
01:35:15,250 --> 01:35:17,170
Do we need that being with the greenhouses?

1062
01:35:18,570 --> 01:35:21,550
Yeah, it could be under the commercial section as well.

1063
01:35:34,520 --> 01:35:37,500
But this table, this I'm hopping on this,

1064
01:35:37,660 --> 01:35:41,560
but this table of use is would allow data center,

1065
01:35:42,060 --> 01:35:44,300
a data center to come in town.

1066
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:57,560
So folks, we do need to focus on this.

1067
01:35:57,640 --> 01:36:02,920
I think if we think we're landscaping art, by the way.

1068
01:36:02,920 --> 01:36:11,880
Okay, contract of your outdoor storage used to be a zoning board of appeal, but the

1069
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:17,940
planning board is is and solid waste facility does that include compost?

1070
01:36:20,700 --> 01:36:24,560
Composing was marked no or was that a separate one?

1071
01:36:28,630 --> 01:36:30,950
See solid waste here.

1072
01:36:31,650 --> 01:36:35,210
I just know waste I just didn't know if they have a separate for compost.

1073
01:36:35,810 --> 01:36:37,290
There is a separate one for compost.

1074
01:36:37,290 --> 01:36:38,990
Yeah, composting is a job.

1075
01:36:40,930 --> 01:36:43,730
So no composting.

1076
01:36:47,870 --> 01:36:56,170
I wonder if there should be cited with the exception of composting under MDAC control licensing.

1077
01:36:58,630 --> 01:37:01,370
Because there is an exception that exception.

1078
01:37:08,690 --> 01:37:08,930
Yeah.

1079
01:37:09,550 --> 01:37:13,070
So you're saying composting facility here, Tony?

1080
01:37:15,460 --> 01:37:20,960
Somewhere I should say that farm composting that does M dial licenses are allowed.

1081
01:37:21,900 --> 01:37:22,340
Right.

1082
01:37:29,160 --> 01:37:33,280
Yeah, because we need to be sure that farms can compost.

1083
01:37:34,620 --> 01:37:34,920
Right?

1084
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:36,080
Is that what you said?

1085
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:36,420
I wonder.

1086
01:37:37,040 --> 01:37:37,220
Yes.

1087
01:37:38,020 --> 01:37:39,720
Yes, but even.

1088
01:37:40,560 --> 01:37:42,620
Well, that says of a silly question.

1089
01:37:42,840 --> 01:37:45,260
Let him.

1090
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:46,260
Don't break in.

1091
01:37:46,420 --> 01:37:46,660
Let him.

1092
01:37:47,460 --> 01:37:47,780
Finish.

1093
01:37:47,780 --> 01:37:54,940
Well, there's not every firm is big enough to want a license from MDAR.

1094
01:37:55,680 --> 01:38:05,260
So somebody who has five horses should be able to compost their horseman or meet, you know,

1095
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:13,400
some regulations on how to compost if you just got five horses, but the whole lot of this

1096
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:20,020
goes back to Renee's worry about for the Board of Health that we've got renewal piles

1097
01:38:20,020 --> 01:38:29,340
around town and if we could say that those are allowed by right, that would be helpful.

1098
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:41,720
I just looked up the MDAR composting program and it, this is for farms that accept offsite

1099
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:42,360
material.

1100
01:38:47,670 --> 01:38:52,230
Yeah, so I mean we compost,

1101
01:38:54,240 --> 01:39:02,660
but you know, we give it we just someone who compost it on another farm and then the

1102
01:39:02,660 --> 01:39:03,040
hay field.

1103
01:39:05,380 --> 01:39:15,180
Actually composting it when you put it in a pile, so she put it in a pile in a

1104
01:39:16,500 --> 01:39:17,420
But

1105
01:39:20,490 --> 01:39:23,470
it's a good opportunity to answer one A's, what are we?

1106
01:39:26,820 --> 01:39:27,940
All right.

1107
01:39:28,020 --> 01:39:29,340
I'm going to stop screen sharing.

1108
01:39:35,310 --> 01:39:35,910
There we go.

1109
01:39:37,070 --> 01:39:37,530
All right.

1110
01:39:37,610 --> 01:39:38,590
We're all pretty tired.

1111
01:39:42,320 --> 01:39:44,780
So, let's review where we are.

1112
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:45,440
Okay.

1113
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:47,820
We've talked about the Grange dinner.

1114
01:39:48,860 --> 01:39:57,020
I'm to email Andrew and ask him how we go about, um,

1115
01:39:57,020 --> 01:40:02,180
I'm presenting receipts and getting...

1116
01:40:03,420 --> 01:40:04,020
Emberst.

1117
01:40:04,660 --> 01:40:05,260
Reimbursed.

1118
01:40:08,180 --> 01:40:09,600
And I will do that tomorrow.

1119
01:40:12,980 --> 01:40:17,840
We haven't talked about our right to farm presentation for fall town meeting, but

1120
01:40:19,920 --> 01:40:25,620
if that's workable for everybody, shall we table it for after open farm day?

1121
01:40:25,620 --> 01:40:28,480
Yeah. Let's do another meeting. Okay.

1122
01:40:33,290 --> 01:40:38,950
And then I'm to send out an email to everybody,

1123
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:44,810
letting them know that our main course is being provided by fellows at the

1124
01:40:44,810 --> 01:40:53,730
range. It will be at 4.30. Say, should we say 4.30 to 6? Yeah, but you're sending it out

1125
01:40:53,730 --> 01:41:00,710
to the people that said yes, right. You did go through everybody. If you send it to everybody

1126
01:41:00,710 --> 01:41:07,770
now and we pick up more people, we're in trouble. We won't have enough food. Just to the people

1127
01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:12,750
who said yes. Yeah, that's a good idea, because they've had plenty of opportunity to say yes.

1128
01:41:13,310 --> 01:41:19,870
It wasn't you sent it out at least twice. Yeah. And the only person who haven't really, should I

1129
01:41:19,870 --> 01:41:27,710
try and find out about Teresa LeBlanc. Why don't I try and just email her separately

1130
01:41:27,710 --> 01:41:31,830
just to confirm she's not coming to the range dinner. Okay.

1131
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:36,820
All right. So we've

1132
01:41:36,820 --> 01:41:46,900
got Eric and Korra, Lucy and Jim, Tony, Andrew and Isabel, me and Ellie, Brittany and

1133
01:41:46,900 --> 01:41:50,720
Harvey, Fred Farmer, Dave Armstrong and his wife,

1134
01:41:53,010 --> 01:41:54,730
the community garden people, Naomi

1135
01:41:55,330 --> 01:42:00,410
and her mom, and her mom, sorry, so that's the group.

1136
01:42:01,150 --> 01:42:08,010
If someone needs it instead of Korra, she's not crazy about Lasagna, so in fact she's

1137
01:42:08,010 --> 01:42:11,450
never had it, she's a very picky eater.

1138
01:42:12,450 --> 01:42:16,550
Well, why don't we bring some, how about peanut butter and jelly sandwiches?

1139
01:42:21,370 --> 01:42:24,410
I don't even want, Ellie will eat lasagna.

1140
01:42:24,990 --> 01:42:27,430
I love that as a kid.

1141
01:42:28,030 --> 01:42:28,810
Oh, I did too.

1142
01:42:30,770 --> 01:42:30,950
Well.

1143
01:42:31,430 --> 01:42:35,650
We're going to have some vegetarian lasagna as well as some meat lasagna.

1144
01:42:36,450 --> 01:42:36,690
Oh.

1145
01:42:38,270 --> 01:42:39,170
Now it's all vegetarian.

1146
01:42:39,170 --> 01:42:41,630
I mean, it's all cheese, lasagna.

1147
01:42:42,790 --> 01:42:43,290
No vegetables.

1148
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:45,370
Yeah, no meat.

1149
01:42:45,790 --> 01:42:46,870
No meat.

1150
01:42:47,050 --> 01:42:47,910
You're going to get your salad.

1151
01:42:47,910 --> 01:42:49,210
You'll have vegetables, yeah.

1152
01:42:52,190 --> 01:42:53,950
Oh, where am I going to get my meat?

1153
01:42:56,450 --> 01:42:57,590
Yes, we need it.

1154
01:42:58,030 --> 01:43:00,250
Go to go to go eat meat before.

1155
01:43:00,810 --> 01:43:03,930
Hey, you're going to go to Campbell's and pick up pies,

1156
01:43:03,930 --> 01:43:04,410
right?

1157
01:43:04,590 --> 01:43:07,390
When you're going to do Campbell's and pick up pies.

1158
01:43:07,930 --> 01:43:08,350
Pies.

1159
01:43:08,350 --> 01:43:11,030
I can do that. There are 22 bucks a piece.

1160
01:43:11,550 --> 01:43:14,070
Yeah, that's why I share it when we impersonate.

1161
01:43:15,170 --> 01:43:18,270
And we're starting to push the budget, I think.

1162
01:43:18,450 --> 01:43:21,370
We really are. I suggest that we make them.

1163
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:23,110
And bring brownies.

1164
01:43:24,350 --> 01:43:26,350
I'll make, I'll bring brownies.

1165
01:43:26,650 --> 01:43:30,890
And we'll have the donated pumpkin and vanilla ice cream on them.

1166
01:43:31,550 --> 01:43:32,090
We're the brownies.

1167
01:43:32,490 --> 01:43:33,370
That sounds good.

1168
01:43:34,450 --> 01:43:35,950
And we can do fudge sauce.

1169
01:43:35,950 --> 01:43:42,690
something like that. Okay, thank you. I'll do Bren.

1170
01:43:45,250 --> 01:43:47,450
I've been some weener hot dogs

1171
01:43:47,450 --> 01:43:54,990
on toothpicks. We're gonna have me somewhere. No, you don't. You don't, sorry.

1172
01:44:02,430 --> 01:44:10,810
So people once again, now that you're served, we've scrolled through the table of uses, please, please, please, please focus on this.

1173
01:44:11,410 --> 01:44:23,750
And Eric will revise our memo, our next memo to the planning board, and we'll get that off to the planning board, say by Friday.

1174
01:44:26,510 --> 01:44:33,070
and just let them know more to come because we will have to discuss the hydroponic greenhouse,

1175
01:44:33,690 --> 01:44:41,610
but now that you know about the table of use you can figure out where can it go. And I suggest

1176
01:44:41,610 --> 01:44:51,010
that it is the sort of thing given the industrial scale of what we have in mind that it's only appropriate

1177
01:44:51,010 --> 01:44:56,050
for the industrial zone. It's not even appropriate for the commercial zone.

1178
01:44:56,190 --> 01:44:59,970
Given where our commercial zone is located, which is...

1179
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,620
Allong Main Street. Right. Right.

1180
01:45:04,800 --> 01:45:12,160
So, aye, person would like to have another option. That's ag oriented

1181
01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:22,620
and friendly as a data center or a warehouse. Yes. So anybody thought about urban agriculture

1182
01:45:22,620 --> 01:45:26,860
culture with their growing and containers. Box big box containers.

1183
01:45:29,220 --> 01:45:30,020
That's going to be

1184
01:45:30,020 --> 01:45:38,160
allowed. It should be allowed. It is that culture, yeah.

1185
01:45:38,540 --> 01:45:45,240
They pretty much, if you look at the table of uses, Tony, they pretty much with urban residential,

1186
01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:54,140
they pretty much outlawed most recreational uses, agriculture and everything.

1187
01:45:54,900 --> 01:45:56,220
They really have.

1188
01:45:58,720 --> 01:46:01,200
That's somebody I understand.

1189
01:46:01,460 --> 01:46:05,180
Somebody's not understanding that we're now growing on the container boxes.

1190
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:11,120
That may be more increasing product by food supply.

1191
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:18,280
Yeah. Well, if you're living in urban residential, the way with the

1192
01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:24,900
different changes if people go for that, it's not going to be a very interesting

1193
01:46:24,900 --> 01:46:25,940
place to live.

1194
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:34,460
If you go for that, you might want to put a 40-foot box behind a

1195
01:46:34,460 --> 01:46:42,660
house and farm in there. I mean, if you go down the column and you look

1196
01:46:42,660 --> 01:46:46,900
at what is allowed or permitted in urban residential.

1197
01:46:48,540 --> 01:46:50,040
You could have a cemetery.

1198
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:57,520
Can we look at our own time, man, I make a motion to adjourn?

1199
01:46:59,580 --> 01:47:00,620
Good idea.

1200
01:47:02,420 --> 01:47:02,920
Thank you.

1201
01:47:03,500 --> 01:47:05,540
Are we all done for tonight?

1202
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:06,900
I guess it's another way.

1203
01:47:06,940 --> 01:47:13,260
I think the only thing I had was that letter by Andrea Dunn, I was going to suggest that

1204
01:47:13,260 --> 01:47:29,700
Yeah, mine. In the first line, adding it says working farms just add family farms to that. Yeah. Yeah, so that's all. All right, make a motion to adjourn. Wait, wait, wait, Lucy. Wait, wait, wait. It's not your second. It.

1205
01:47:30,220 --> 01:47:33,220
To set you to second it. No, no.

1206
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:39,320
Um, you're going to, especially for emotion.

1207
01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:43,280
Eric, you're going to reach back to Sangeeta Chandra.

1208
01:47:44,820 --> 01:47:50,480
I may just let her... she said she'd like to come so I don't want to push her too much.

1209
01:47:51,780 --> 01:47:54,060
I just... doesn't show up, I'll email her.

1210
01:47:58,130 --> 01:48:04,510
Well, can you send her just a survey email saying, hey, you know, coming up, we can see you?

1211
01:48:05,670 --> 01:48:06,930
Yeah, sure, okay.

1212
01:48:06,930 --> 01:48:15,910
And Anne's gonna do in the tour? No. No. She said she's not available. Yep. Okay.

1213
01:48:16,350 --> 01:48:23,350
Um, yeah, but she'll just see if she be willing.

1214
01:48:27,470 --> 01:48:31,070
Okay, I'm going through and Tony, you're gonna get in touch with Fred Farmer.

1215
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:33,810
I am, come on.

1216
01:48:34,130 --> 01:48:34,590
Tomorrow.

1217
01:48:35,770 --> 01:48:36,390
Okay.

1218
01:48:37,130 --> 01:48:38,070
Who's mine?

1219
01:48:39,450 --> 01:48:40,050
All right.

1220
01:48:40,210 --> 01:48:46,090
Now, Lucy, if you want to motion to adjourn.

1221
01:48:46,650 --> 01:48:48,490
I'd like to make a motion to adjourn.

1222
01:48:49,050 --> 01:48:50,350
Do I have a second?

1223
01:48:52,010 --> 01:48:52,330
Sure.

1224
01:48:53,790 --> 01:48:54,170
Yay!

1225
01:48:55,230 --> 01:48:55,910
I can't see my face.

1226
01:48:56,130 --> 01:48:56,570
I don't know why.

1227
01:48:56,950 --> 01:48:57,310
All right.

1228
01:48:57,690 --> 01:48:58,170
Buzz them.

1229
01:48:58,550 --> 01:48:58,710
All right.

1230
01:48:58,810 --> 01:48:59,270
Good night everybody.

1231
01:48:59,270 --> 01:48:59,430
Ready?