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meeting to order and ask you to join me
please in the pledge of allegiance.

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» I pledge algiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands. One nation
under God, indivisible with liberty and

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justice for all.
>> Shirley, would you take roll call,

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please?
>> Mayor Hannah

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» here. Mike Connell, Bob Porter.
here. Mazi

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» here.
>> Christel here.

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» Mr. Palmer
>> here.

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» I'm sorry. I I'm
>> Did you have him for the teacher?

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» That's why
it won't happen.

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Looking for approval of our agenda for
tonight.

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» I move that we adopt the agenda as
printed.

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» Second.
>> We have a motion from Mindy, seconded by

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Kamal. All those in favor of that
motion, please signify by saying I.

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» I.
>> Those opposed? Nay. Motion passes.

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And to approve our council meeting
minutes from August 20th,

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» I move that we suspend the rules with
the readings and approve the minutes

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from August 20th regular meeting.
>> I think we need a correction

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» to the council meeting minutes. Okay.
>> Is or not? I don't know. Wasn't it Kathy

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Edwards?
>> It was the film.

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» Yes, it sure was. Minor
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» I would change that. not Dennis Malloy
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» and Alex so I will make sure that I
change that.

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» Thank you for that, Mindy.
>> So Kamal, if you'd like to redo your

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motion indicating a correction.
>> I move that we correct the minutes,

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suspend the rules, and wave the
readings. Uh the correction is uh

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» Kathy McGrath as the uh who was present
with studio 123 wave the readings and

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approve the minutes from August 20th
regular meeting.

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» Second. We have a motion from Kamal
seconded by Kristen. All those in favor

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of that motion please signify by saying
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» I.
>> Those opposed nay. Motion passes.

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I'm not aware of any pre-approved
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we'll still
>> Why? It's Edwards. Kathy Edwards.

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» Oh,
sorry. No, you're fine.

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» I make another motion that we corrected
to Kathy Edwards instead of Kathy

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McGraw. And I move that we suspend the
rules, wave the readings, and approve

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the minutes from August 20 regular
meeting.

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» I second.
>> Oh, that's never going to change for me

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there. Sorry.
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Kristen. All those in favor of that
motion, please signify by saying I.

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» I.
>> Oppose. Nay. Motion passes.

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» Thank you. Thank you. And thank you.
I'm not aware of any pre-approved

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reports or presentations. So, we'll move
into public comment. And I believe Mark

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Absy is here to address council.
>> I am. Thank you very much. you have.

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» Good evening, Mayor Han and council
members.

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My name is Mark Absy. Uh my wife and I
married or my wife and I my wife Mary

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and I moved to town uh September of 20
or April 2023. So we've been here for a

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few years. Uh we came from St. Charles,
Michigan, which is about 40 mi up the

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road where we owned a bar in a bowling
alley for 26 years and um moved down

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this way because I I work in Mesa as a
credit manager.

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Is that me?
>> I know.

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» Got it open.
>> That's me.

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[laughter]
If if you could hold that thought for

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just a minute, we'll suspend till Kamal
turns the car off.

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» I'm sorry.

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» I just don't want Kamal to miss any of
your presentation.

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» Yeah, it's going to be riveting.

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Sorry.
>> It's okay.

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» Can I reclaim my time?
>> You may go ahead.

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» Yes, you may. Go ahead.
>> All right. So,

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uh just give you a little background,
but um now our next big endeavor, we

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thought we were going to retire, but
looking around, uh we have we're trying

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to gain financing to purchase the
Williams Furniture building and we're

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going to renovate it and put in a self-s
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Okay. So, the reason I'm here tonight uh
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equivalently
equivalent units or REUS assigned to

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self-s served laundry. And I know way
more about RUS than I need to know and

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John even can testify cuz I'm
questioning him too. Um, tonight I'm

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respectfully requesting that the city
review the RU factor assigned to

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self-service laundry within city utility
ordinance. This piece of paper that you

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guys that I gave you is the
residential equivalency unit for a bunch

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of
any kind of commercial enterprise that

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can possibly be around. And this is what
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reus for any commercial property.
To my knowledge, anything that I could

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find indicates that this was in the
ordinance since 1987.

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Okay. So, it's been around a while. So,
under the current ordinance, self-s

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served are assigned a 050 RU per washer.
My concern is not whether the connection

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fee should exist. My concern is whether
the assumption used to establish this

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factor still reflects the realities of
modern commercial laundry equipment.

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Commercial washing technology has
changed dramatically over the past three

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days
or three days, three decades. Uh the

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second thing that I have is the data
backing that up. So while I'm talking

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you at least at some point there
industry data shows that modern

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commercial frontload washer extractors
use approximately 40 to 65% less water

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than comparable machines used when many
of the reu schedules were really

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originally developed. Few of us here are
old enough to remember the old washing

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machines with the agitators that had to
fill all the way up with water. That

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doesn't happen anymore historically.
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consume 3 and 12 to 5 gallons of water
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Modern high efficiencies high efficiency
equipment typically consumes 1 and 12 to

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2 and 12 gallons. The laundromat that
I'm proposing will include four 30 lb

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washers, three 40lb washers, and three
60lb washers. really representing the

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larger families in Perry and less on the
end of renters and things that we have.

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All these machines are modern high
efficiency units designed to reduce

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water consumption through advanced
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sensing technology. My question is
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If the original REU factor was
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assumptions from equipment that existed
more than 30 years ago, should the same

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assumptions continue to be applied to
equipment that uses substantially less

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water? I want to be clear. I'm not
asking for special treatment. I'm not

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asking for the fees to be waved and I'm
not asking for council to make a

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decision tonight. I'm asking that the
city review the self-s served laundry

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factor using current commercial washer
consumption data. If that review

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concerns the existing factor remains
appropriate, I'll respect that

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determination.
However, if the review shows the modern

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equipment generates significantly lower
water demand than the equipment used

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when the standard was created, then I
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updated to reflect today's technology.
Governments, utilities, and businesses

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routinely update standards as technology
changes. This may be one of those

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situations.
I respectfully request that council

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direct staff to review the self-service
laundry reu factor and report back with

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their findings. Thank you for your time,
consideration, and service to the city

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bar. My final closing statement, I'm not
asking the city to lower a fee. I'm

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asking the city to make sure the fee is
based on current data rather than decade

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old assumptions.
Can you share with us the resources that

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you use in developing this these
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» Come on. We don't typically u address
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» Okay.
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» thank you John.
>> I have none.

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» I had

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typ typically during public comment we
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» Okay. But what should be done is that
the council determines if they would

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like to place this on the agenda for
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» okay,
>> at a future meeting. And um

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at that meeting
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whether council would recommend having
our engineer of record review this and

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see if there is grounds to
>> because they they are the experts. they

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will know [snorts] what the uh you know
recommendations would be and then it

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would come back from them and then come
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would be made.
>> Absolutely. Perfect. Thank you.

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» Um I'm looking for council to make a
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agenda for our next meeting. Would
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» placed on the agenda for the next
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» Second.
>> We have a motion from Mindy. Second from

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Kimal to place this on the agenda at our
next meeting. All those in favor of that

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motion, please signify by saying I.
>> I.

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» Motion passes.
Thank. So this will be on our next

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meeting agenda. We'll discuss it. Most
likely it'll be referred to our

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engineers of record or OM. They'll
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» Very good. Thank you.
>> You're welcome.

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Any other public comments?
Shirley, do you have communications for

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us?
>> I do, but this is something that will go

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on the agenda for the next meeting also,
so you guys can accept it. Um, dear

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Clerk Smith and Mayor Hammond, please
accept this email as my resignation from

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the City of Perry Planning Commission,
it has been a pleasure to serve our

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community, and I am grateful for the
chance to meet so many wonderful people

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along the way. I hope that when my
circumstances change, there will be

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another opportunity to ser our city in
some capacity. I look forward to that

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day. Thank you for your dedicated
service and continued commitment to all

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those I'm sorry to those you serve so
faithfully um sincerely Genevie Catrell.

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» So thank you. [clears throat]
>> So could you put on the agenda of the uh

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council to respond to that for our next
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Um, just a few other things. I did pass
out something that Mark did email um

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earlier this week. So, you guys have
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just
>> Yeah, it was it was a recommendation

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that I had, but I just didn't want I
didn't have enough time to get involved

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in. So, if you if they have it, then you
could take a look at it. It just ties

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into what I just said.
>> Yeah. So, the other thing that I handed

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out to you, um, Kamal asked for like
water sewer comparison rates from other

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municipalities.
>> Um, so there's a few there and then I

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also added in what our current rates are
right now for the discussion later

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tonight. So,
that's it.

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» That's it. Thank you very much. Thank
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Um, looking at mayor reports and
department head reports. Um, John Sa,

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superintendent of the DPW.

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» Good evening. Um, so we wrapped up uh
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around around lunchtime uh today.
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consumers gas distribution has come into
town and it's predominantly in the older

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sections of town and they're replacing
[clears throat] service lines. This is

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not the city doing this. There was no uh
premeating or anything like that. It was

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just they're they're coming and doing
it. So, um, so far we've done between 75

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and 80 m digs in the last two weeks, and
I believe there's another

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60 or so more. They said 130 to 140
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so what I'm asking, uh, or just
hopefully we've had to go out and

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restake stuff and it's not a lot, but
people have ripped flags out, thrown

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them in the streets, different things
like that. I realize that there's uh,

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it's an inconvenience. There's paint
marks everywhere. Uh, the polygons that

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they're requesting are quite massive uh,
at times. Uh we don't always know

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exactly where the gas mans are. We know
where most of them are, but um so all

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I'm asking is the residents just be
patient um while this project goes

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through
>> and don't pull the stakes up, right?

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» Yeah. Give it at least a week. If you
notice, there's there's some that you'll

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see digging on one side of the road and
they may not have to fix the gas line.

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Most people, I believe, got letters. Um
I I'm not privy to what everybody gets

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in the mail. So um you know it's just
there's we've already had to go back and

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remark uh I think about a dozen of them
today. So because they their time has

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expired. Anyway, uh city hall parking
lot has been seal coated and striped. I

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think it looks good. Um
just an update the park the parking lot

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between East third and east 2nd um
behind Charlie's uh and

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uh the
eye doctor and the dentist office. We're

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kind of looking at around the 14th
through the 20th uh give or take

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depending on weather. If we have wild
days like today, it'll push it around a

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little. Um, so, uh, we're planning on
handing out tags, uh, and letting

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everybody know kind of a ball frame
ballpark

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ballpark uh, area that when it would
will happen. So, it's going to be an

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inconvenience for a long-term
how I don't even know when it was paid

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last. I don't have any record of that.
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the other thing is, um,
I would kind of like to see people not

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blow grass into the streets. I can't
really do anything about it, but it

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plugs up the catch basins. People
complain that the catch basins, we got

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to go around and dig them out. It's just
I I've seen a lot in the last couple

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weeks. It was dry for a month and a
half, not a lot of mowing. Um, now I'm

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I'm having to hand out uh weed notices.
So if your lawn's over 6 in tall so that

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the DPW doesn't want to have to do it.
So just appreciate following the

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ordinance and if you own a lawn, go
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That's about all I have. Anybody has
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» Any questions for John? Anyone?
>> Thank you for all your hard work and

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your crew.
Megan, do you have stuff for us?

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Hello.
>> I don't have a lot to report tonight.

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Um, two non-treasure related things. Um,
I have a couple businesses in town that

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are working on organizing a Halloween uh
main treats on Main Street is what we

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usually call that event. It is going to
be in coordination with the fire

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department's fall safety event. It'll be
October 25th from 2:00 to 5:00 pm. Um,

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so Kim from the Orite Hair Salon and
Karen from Kodets are working together

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to get the word out to businesses. Um,
so you'll be hearing more about that

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soon as we have more details.
Um, I met with a contact from Consumers

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Credit Union this last week. We have
four money market accounts with them.

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Um, two of them are up for renewal. Um,
and the new rate we're getting on those

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right now is going to be 3.8% 8% which
is slightly higher than what it was at.

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We have two others with them that renew
in December I believe. Those are at

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3.4%. He's going to try and roll them
all into renewing now and get them all

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up to the 3.8%.
That is about all I have this week.

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Any questions for Megan? Anyone?
>> Thank you. Good job with all your stuff.

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Thank you. Surely the only thing I that
I'm going to report is the open

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vacancies on council um right in
declaration of intent is um due October

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23rd if anyone is still interested in
running for a council seat or even the

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mayor seat. Um and that would be due in
my office. And uh that's really it.

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That's all I have tonight. I'm sorry
that was not

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» There's more information about that on
our website, right?

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» Yes, on our website. Did you put that on
there again? I think she did. Yeah.

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» Yeah. It's been there for a long months.
>> Yeah.

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» Anything else?
>> No, that's it.

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» Sorry.
>> That's okay. Uh Chief Box said he didn't

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have anything to report tonight, so he
is not here. Um and my will follow with

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what Shirley had to say. We now have or
will have two open seats on the planning

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commission. Um those can be filled by
any resident of the city of Perry who is

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interested and qualifies to serve. They
can contact city hall for more

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information or go to the city website.
There is more information there as well

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that Megan posted. And um I think that
would answer any questions you might

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have. The planning commission meets the
first Monday of every month. Um they

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might meet more often if there's
something that needs to be addressed. Uh

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but typically it's that once a month
meeting.

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And we also have now on our council
committees an open seat on our ordinance

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committee uh with Larry Lambert leaving
and resigning. Mindy has agreed to serve

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as the ordinance committee chair. She
was already on the committee. Mike

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Connell is the other council member who
serves there. Typically, [clears throat]

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we'd like three council members on each
committee and um the ordinance committee

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meets when needed. They don't have a
regular meeting date like the planning

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commission does. Um but I will need a
council member to serve. So, if you're

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willing to do that, please let me know
or let Shirley know. I'd appreciate

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that.
Do we have any committee reports

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tonight? This would be one of those
committees, but we don't have any

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committee reports. So, we'll move on to
presentation and approval of the bills.

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» I move that we approve the bills as
presented and may be authorized.

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» Second. We have a motion from Kamal,
seconded by Kristen. All those in favor

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of that motion, please signify by saying
I.

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» I. Those opposed? Nay.
Motion passes.

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Moving into old business. I see nothing
there.

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So, on to our new business.
And our first um item is to approve

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excusing our council member Mike Connell
from meetings

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during football season. So looking for
any discussion. Anyone has sort of

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questions about that
or a motion.

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» I move that we approve the absence of
Mike Connell and excuse him from city

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council meetings effective September
3rd, 2026 through November 1st, 2026 due

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to prior obligations.
>> Second.

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» We have a motion from Kamal, seconded by
Mindy.

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All those in favor of that motion,
please signify by saying I.

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» I. Those opposed? Nay. Motion passes.
Now we'll move into our discussion

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regarding the possible water sewer rate
increases.

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Anyone would like to open that
discussion, feel free. Well, I want to

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start by thanking Megan and uh Shirley
for all their their help in assisting

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getting a lot of numbers and emails.
>> And I was thinking,

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do you guys want to table the
conversation until Bob is here, maybe

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next week, um to discuss it more and
have more

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input? or do we want to have that
discussion today?

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» We won't be setting a rate tonight.
>> That's not the purpose of tonight.

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» The purpose of tonight is to set a
public hearing.

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» Well, I think that timeline was to
decide the the amount of the increase

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tonight.
>> That was the

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» um council determines the rate increases
on September 3rd

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» and set the public We're going to set
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» Yeah, I think you need to know what the
rate is that you're asking for to set

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» to set public.
>> Well, then let's discuss Kamal's

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recommendation.
Council open for discussion regarding

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that.
>> I feel really bad that Bob's not here

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because I'm sure he has some good in.

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» Aren't we also on a deadline for um
having everything in place?

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in order for it to be effective.
Didn't we say we wanted it by

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» we want January?
>> I think we Yeah, I think we want to have

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it approved by January.
>> Yeah. So

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» So would that upset? Well, I mean, you
could always

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you could not you could discuss it at
the next meeting, but we still but you

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would have to make a decision at the
next meeting and we would set the public

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hearing for October 1st, the first
meeting in October,

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but you would have to make sure you like
the increase amount is up

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decided
next meeting. Either that or we just

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won't meet the deadline,
>> right? I don't think we would probably

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meet the deadline if we keep
>> Let me just ask Megan because I think

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it's important for Megan to be at the
meeting when this is discussed because

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as our treasurer, she'll be able to
answer questions that I'm sure you'll

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have. Megan, are you able to attend the
next council meeting?

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the 17th, right?
[clears throat]

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» Yeah, I think so.
>> John John, you won't be in town, right?

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Correct.
>> Okay.

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» John certainly is involved in the the uh
rate increase discussions and also would

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be able to perhaps answer questions that
you might have.

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» But he's going to be gone.
>> I won't be able to post that. have

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enough time to post it in the paper to
publish it

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» to post
>> 15 days.

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» Post what?
>> A public hearing in the paper. There's

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not enough days.
>> But you're saying you set the date on

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the 17th for the 1st. There's not enough
days between them.

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» No.
>> So the public hearing would have to be

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at the second meeting in October instead
of the first meeting in October.

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» Yeah,
>> I see what you're saying.

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» And like with the way the Arcus Press
>> does their paper now, they only publish

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three days a week. So, I would have to
like post it tomorrow. Come in and post

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it tomorrow if we set the public hearing
for the first

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or whatever we do. But we can't set a
public hearing because you don't we're

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not setting a rate,
>> right?

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» If you don't set the rate tonight, we
can't set the public hearing

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um tonight.
If we have to wait until the next

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meeting, then if I understand what
you're saying is

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» you wouldn't have enough time to post to
have the public hearing then on the 1st

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of October. It would have to go to the
second meeting of October.

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Then where does that put us as far as
having the

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public hearing the second meeting of
October

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and voting on it that night and
establishing what the rate increase is

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going to be? When does that does it take
30 days to

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» to publish it?
>> Yeah.

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» No, it doesn't take 30 days, but I don't
know the exact there's just not enough

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days like after se So September 18th to
October 1st or

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» No, no, I know that part. I'm saying
from the time the second meeting October

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then would become probably when the
public hearing would be.

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» Okay. If the council
after the public hearing actually sets

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what the rate increase is going to be,
when does that

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» I don't
>> how long does it take for that to go in

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effect? Is it 30 days to go into effect?
>> The rate increase.

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» Okay, I understand. Um it's whatever the
resolution says,

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» right? Okay. So, it could be
>> I was just asking you what that said,

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» but it's not going to be effective until
July 1st.

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» Correct.
>> Yes. So, it could be there. I don't know

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what the old resolution said. I would
kind of probably copy that same one,

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have Justin approve it, and um
>> Okay. So, in there, it does have to go

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to the city attorney for review and
approval.

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» Yes.
>> And uh

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» to make sure everything looks good. Mhm.
>> So there in lies the complication.

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» What would you like to do? Do you want
to try to set the rate tonight? You want

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to discuss it and do that or shall we
table it until next meeting hoping that

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Bob's here
>> myself? I'm ready to discuss it.

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» Sure.
>> Um,

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» come on. Was your your
>> I was just I was just trying to

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Sometimes he does have good points and I
I was curious to know like

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» where his thoughts are. Um but I am
ready to discuss it.

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» All right,
>> we are all set.

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» Let's discuss it.
>> Sure.

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» Who wants to go first? [clears throat]

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» My opinion
>> is that we need

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to get it taken care of. And I feel like
if we don't

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raise the rate enough,
we're not going to meet our goal.

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And what do we do in the meantime? We
don't have

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enough water and sewer capacity
to enable um more people to come in at

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this time. And it would could be a long
time

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» waiting for us to have the money to make
that happen. And and then we lose

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income.
>> And that's a good point. Yeah.

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» Yeah. And um
I and I compare it with

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we went years and years not raising the
rate

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» and look at what it got us. We have
equipment that's in poor condition. We

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have poor morale on the department
because of

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things not being where they should be
>> financially

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» financially.
And you know, I I feel like we we should

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have started raising those rates long
before if we'd have known

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» Yeah.
>> where it was going to end up. Not that,

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you know, I'm blaming anybody, but um
and it was nice having those low weights

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for a long time, but it didn't get us
anywhere.

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And um
I guess I just feel like

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we we need to we would need to I feel
like at least 12%

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I'd rather see the 15. We paid which um
is that how you can't wait

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to give their opinion and do the study
and I think John I'm not I can't speak

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for you but I think you were in
agreement with them on how much it's

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going to take to get us to that goal at
an appropriate time.

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» Well, it's timelines.
So it just keeps moving.

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» Yep.
>> The goal further and further.

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» Yep.
>> So,

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» and in the meantime, we're not going to
have capacity for growth.

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» So,
yeah.

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» I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt. I
thought you were done.

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» Go ahead.
>> Go ahead.

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» I I just John, is it true, too? And I
just want to make sure we all understand

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the the increase in the rate is not just
to address capacity.

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» No, it's to
>> sorry bring

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you it's like you know the easiest
example would be is why you get a

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different car after it's 20 years old.
It becomes less reliable to drive to

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California from Michigan. So while there
are newer parts of the system, you know,

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those parts are 20 years old now.
If if we look at Perry Lakes, um you

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know, the the M52 project, those mains
were put in in 2002.

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So that's 24 years there. A lot of the
other 4 in are, you know, from the 60s

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and 70s. Um, so they're cast iron. It
just keeps

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while we do the best we can, eventually
you have to upgrade the system. And

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um, you know, if we, you know, I we
don't have tons of complaints, but I

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just there was an example tonight cuz I
have a flushed hydrant. So, we're not

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production water does not put iron back
in the system because of the iron

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removal plant. But the old manes
leech out iron in them and you have

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discoloration and I can't stop that. We
are looking, we're still uh in the

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process of uh implementing the phosphate
to sequester that for the copper to coat

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the pipes. So, um but that's that's not
a long-term fix. It's a band-aid. It's

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what we were doing prior to the iron
removal plant.

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So
when you have some stuff that's 50 60

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years old
eventually you have to do something and

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you know this is unfortunately
where we're at

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» and in order to improve that water
>> well you know

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» that
>> I mean that's that's

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» the the water tower project and increase
in main size you know to to do that um

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you know capacities we're we're like
limited out pretty much right now. We

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have just barely what we have to work
with in town with uh we can add a few

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connections at like vacant lots in town
for us uh but nothing nothing of a big

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consumer.
So,

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so just I just want to make sure I'm
following. I have one question. The 15%

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that we are proposing to the that OM
came up with

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» will allow us to have reserves in the
next in 5 years from now if something

422
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:09,839
was to happen. Is that correct?
>> Is that my understanding? as as far as a

423
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:15,839
dollar amount.
>> Dollar amount.

424
00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:20,800
» So, it's not going to whatever the
increase the excess is going to come

425
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:27,040
over each year. Uh I don't remember what
it is. Is it roughly 50,000 or so?

426
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:30,040
» Right.
>> Yes.

427
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,760
» You know, at the end of even if it was a
hundred, at the end of five years,

428
00:36:34,240 --> 00:36:40,079
that's half a million dollars.
>> Mhm.

429
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:46,880
You know,
right now we have uh a grant in a

430
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:52,560
congressional grant for Keaney Street to
increase that from uh four to an eight

431
00:36:50,720 --> 00:37:00,320
» I believe
from M52 or Main Street to uh Watkins

432
00:36:57,599 --> 00:37:03,560
and that is almost 800,000
>> two blocks.

433
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:11,680
I mean I once you start digging I can't
that the price is just what it is you

434
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:17,520
know to connect all those services
>> um you know I I understand you know

435
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,320
but
>> no

436
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:25,280
» eventually
I I guess so half a million dollars so

437
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,400
» so that would be one one block to
replace and

438
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:31,280
» well no I'm not talking about the cost
of to replace what when

439
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:36,640
» okay
>> in the end of 5 years. This will give us

440
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:40,560
half a million dollar extra in case
something breaks. Is that true? Am I

441
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:43,119
understanding?
>> That would be a true statement. Yes,

442
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,320
» that would be a true.
>> But there's a lot of ifs that would go

443
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:51,200
into that. Well,
>> if we don't have something else that

444
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:54,186
breaks and needs to be fixed and if
something else

445
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:58,079
» but that's part of the perip
[clears throat]

446
00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:03,760
the but well yes we're not I'm not going
to hold you to it but but in theory

447
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:07,040
that's what we're talking about right
>> yes

448
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:14,240
» now
I think 15% is too much

449
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:19,200
» and I think
instead of having the half a million

450
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:28,000
» in
5 years, we can go 10.

451
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:35,280
So it' be 6 and 12% increase versus 15
because any extra money that we are

452
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:41,359
saving technically we're not saving um
any extra money that we're

453
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:48,800
keeping for the water for later. Sure.
But the need is not there necessarily

454
00:38:45,839 --> 00:38:53,520
right this minute. So we're still going
to be waiting to maybe make improvement

455
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:59,920
on this or improvement on that. But that
doesn't have to happen in times where

456
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:05,839
gas is about $4 and a half a gallon and
consumers is increasing and every I I

457
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:12,800
feel 15% is a stretch.
I do believe it needs it. I'm not

458
00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:20,880
against the increase, but I think 15% is
way too much based on my perception

459
00:39:17,359 --> 00:39:25,680
to uh to the situation and to how people
are living.

460
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:32,400
» Camal, I hear what you're saying. It I
mean, we all live here. We all have to

461
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:38,640
have to pay this. Um
but OM

462
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:45,839
are engineers who do this for a living.
They have special education

463
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:54,640
backgrounds and work backgrounds that
have put a lot of time, like almost two

464
00:39:49,920 --> 00:40:00,640
years into this study to determine
how much we need to increase our rates

465
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:08,400
in order to
have our income exceed our outgo.

466
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:12,800
» Absolutely. And that is what they
suggested.

467
00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:17,440
» That's the key. Suggested. And we really
don't know if something will break or

468
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:21,760
not. And those are the two things that's
making me come, well, do we really need

469
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,240
to increase it right this minute?
>> Well, it will break. I mean, that's

470
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:28,480
matter.
>> Yeah. I'm I only mentioned something

471
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:34,160
might break because you were trying to
pin him down to say yes, we'll have that

472
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:38,079
much money in there. Well, we will if
nothing additional happens is what I

473
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:46,320
meant.
>> This money is for maintenance and repair

474
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:51,359
and improvement where needed. That that
is what will need to be done. I mean,

475
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:56,960
they did the study, they presented the
information saying based on our

476
00:40:53,920 --> 00:41:02,560
experience with this type of material,
in some cases, you're past the life of

477
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:08,960
this. You're just
lucky that it hasn't gone bad before now

478
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:14,560
and this is only going to last a few
more years and this will only last five

479
00:41:11,599 --> 00:41:20,560
more years. you know, so I mean they put
it all

480
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:29,200
I thought very clearly in their report.
I I think we should go

481
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:34,560
at least to 12 like Mindy said 15 would
put us in a better position, but I think

482
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:37,839
if we go any less than that, we're just
shooting ourselves in the foot.

483
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:41,520
» Yeah. We don't want to end up in the
same situation A was in.

484
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:46,079
» Oh, absolutely. and and it's going to be
a hit no matter what. So, it's going to

485
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:48,560
be a hit now or a hit then when you know
we're in trouble because we don't have

486
00:41:47,359 --> 00:41:54,480
enough money.
>> Um, you know, I'm not a fan of the 15

487
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:58,800
either. I mean, money is tight for all
of us.

488
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:05,520
» Um, is there any way we could, you know,
do 12 now and revisit later, you know,

489
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:09,440
at some point?
>> John, do you want to address that? It's

490
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:13,119
up to you guys how you want to proceed
with it.

491
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:20,079
It
if you go for a couple years, I mean, I

492
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:24,319
I understand. I don't I don't like
standing here having to do this because

493
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:29,839
it's spending other people's money on
stuff, but in order to run the system

494
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:34,720
over time,
when you put it in the ground, the clock

495
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:39,839
starts ticking
on it. So,

496
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:43,920
you know,
there if I had a crystal ball and could

497
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:50,240
tell everybody, hey, this is, you know,
and I I'm not being uh making light of

498
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:56,240
anything. I mean, I don't like big
increases. I I honestly don't. I mean,

499
00:42:54,560 --> 00:43:02,880
historically,
uh there have been times where they were

500
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:12,480
proud not to do increases in this town.
And is that somewhat a detriment today?

501
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:18,319
You know, um the amounts that we're that
I I did a and it and it probably wasn't

502
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:25,440
the best rate study. Um but the 2 and a
half% that we've been doing for a while

503
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:30,720
on water and sewer um at the time was
keeping up kind of with inflation. And

504
00:43:28,079 --> 00:43:34,720
as we seen the last 5 years, things have
changed. Um [clears throat]

505
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:38,880
so
you know unfortunately it looks like

506
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:44,640
we're falling behind. How much further?
I I don't know. Um it there was a time

507
00:43:42,720 --> 00:43:49,920
when that same project that I was
talking about on Keiny if we'd had done

508
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:53,160
it 10 15 years ago would have been two
or 300,000.

509
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:00,280
I don't I don't see prices dropping
significantly.

510
00:44:00,319 --> 00:44:08,560
That's just an example. I mean, you
know, uh to put to put another well in

511
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:14,160
to expand the water treatment plant, um
to move into the new well field, um you

512
00:44:12,079 --> 00:44:18,800
know,
it's just the system is becoming aged.

513
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:25,520
Not every single component, but a lot of
the components in the water and the

514
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:31,119
wastewater. Um you know, so that's
that's where I'm coming from.

515
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:37,440
Uh
I guess I don't know what else to say.

516
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:40,680
Uh how what type of percent
you know

517
00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:47,040
» I don't I don't think there is enough
difference between 12 and 15% to not go

518
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:52,160
out
>> enough difference to the consumer. Is

519
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:58,800
that what you mean? Yeah. Um Shirley did
come up with water sewer comparisons

520
00:44:55,119 --> 00:45:05,920
that compared the city of Perry's um
charges that we charge now to um other

521
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:11,440
municipalities
um true the city of AASO who's one of

522
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:16,720
those comparisons is a lot bigger than
us and when you have that many more

523
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:24,400
people sharing the cost of running the
system it's going to be less less

524
00:45:21,359 --> 00:45:29,280
per person than
the number of people we have sharing the

525
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:34,800
cost of the system in the size of our
city. Um, but we're not really very much

526
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:43,599
different if you look at those
comparisons. The city of Williamston

527
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:48,160
just very close again um and would still
be

528
00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:54,800
more than what we would charge um
>> even if we did a 15% increase

529
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:59,760
» even if we did a 15% increase. Correct.
>> And those if if you look at those,

530
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:05,599
you'll also see that they include water
in, sewer out, where our charges,

531
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:14,319
there's not a separate charge for sewer
out. There's just the separate charge

532
00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:20,480
for water in. Um, village of OID,
again, it's just a a little more. City

533
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:27,200
of Duran is also more. at than where we
would be if we raised our rates to 15%.

534
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:32,480
I mean, we're way under where they are
now or where we are now.

535
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:37,359
» Um
I and I don't want to always just look

536
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:42,640
at what everybody else is doing to
decide what we should do. I'm just

537
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:47,280
saying that other cities, other
municipalities

538
00:46:44,720 --> 00:46:50,880
are still charging more than we would be
at a 15% increase

539
00:46:49,359 --> 00:46:54,960
» and we don't want to find ourselves in
trouble and be in a position we have to

540
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:59,520
keep coming back and asking for money.
>> Yes, that's not good.

541
00:46:56,160 --> 00:47:04,400
» And to answer your whoseever was it your
question, Kamal, can we change it in the

542
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:09,920
future? Absolutely. I mean, we can
establish it for say a fiveyear period

543
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:16,640
of time or a threeyear period of time
and then see where we're at and then

544
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:22,560
extend it or change it. I you know, none
of this is written in stone. It it can

545
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:29,920
be changed.
>> I just don't want us to find ourselves

546
00:47:25,599 --> 00:47:34,960
in a few short years with equipment
that's beyond

547
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:40,240
and and and and I agree with you but I
don't want to take that decision based

548
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:47,920
on fear of the future. right now as of
today things are working

549
00:47:43,359 --> 00:47:53,440
decently okay there's not much so so
just just the timing of that increase I

550
00:47:51,440 --> 00:48:00,560
feel it's such a huge burden on the
people that voted me in I don't know if

551
00:47:56,160 --> 00:48:07,040
I will go to 10% 6 and a half is is is
what I found to make the most sense to

552
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:11,359
to me
from what I've been seeking. So,

553
00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:14,720
» and and you got your engineering degree
plan.

554
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:18,000
» I got it. I got it from the
recommendations because a recommendation

555
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:22,559
is a recommendation. Just because
someone tells you go change this, this

556
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:29,359
this in your car doesn't really mean
that you're going to go and change it

557
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:35,520
because it is working. Um
like tires, they I think it comes with a

558
00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:39,520
40,000 miles or 60,000 miles and they're
recommended to change. You don't change

559
00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:46,640
it in 60,000. A lot of times people will
go 150 on the same because they don't.

560
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:50,480
It differs. I I just It's not about me
being an engineer or not.

561
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:55,599
» But it's about me comprehending what
people are struggling with and about me

562
00:48:53,040 --> 00:49:02,559
understanding where we're at and where
where I'd like to be. [clears throat]

563
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:10,160
It's just a comfort. I I feel 15 10 is
just a little

564
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:13,920
it doesn't help everyone. I feel it's a
I'm not saying you guys are bad for

565
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:20,880
making that decision. It's a decision
that someone has to make. I just don't

566
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:25,440
feel confident taking a 15% to 10% jump.
I think it's a little too expensive for

567
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:27,920
the people.
>> Can I just ask?

568
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:33,440
» Absolutely. How long would you be
willing to do the 6 and a half or so?

569
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:39,440
Like if we said because my thought was
and run it out for 6 years.

570
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:45,119
» Absolutely. My thought was that extra
money that's coming out of the five

571
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:49,440
years. If it comes out in 10, it's still
extra money. We're just prolonging the

572
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:55,280
period of when we're going to get that
amount. That's my thought. That's how

573
00:49:51,920 --> 00:50:01,839
I'm basing those numbers. Um I don't
know if it's right or wrong. I just

574
00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:08,000
that's just my thought given given the
price [clears throat] where people are

575
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:10,079
like the cost of daily living. Um
yeah

576
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:16,000
» and I and I hear what you're saying
based on the cost of living everything's

577
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:23,440
high. Everything's way high. I
understand that. I do. Um, but back in

578
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:29,680
1972,
the cost of heating your house was way

579
00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:34,720
high. And so all of these charges were
not raised then. They were kept low. And

580
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:40,000
they were kept low in the 80s because it
was a good thing to do. And so now, like

581
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:47,359
Mindy said, we're in the same position
that Cesa was in.

582
00:50:43,599 --> 00:50:54,319
I don't think we can do a good job for
the residents of the city of Perry by

583
00:50:50,319 --> 00:51:00,079
keeping the rate so low now that we
can't catch up ever and can't protect

584
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:06,559
them at a time where we need to.
>> That's right. I it if you looked at the

585
00:51:03,599 --> 00:51:11,040
and I'm sure everybody has but you know
if you looked at the information that

586
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:16,160
Megan provided based on OM's
recommendations

587
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:24,960
um
I I felt that a 12 to 15% increase

588
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:30,559
starting in July gave
our residents enough heads up so they

589
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:37,440
could make whatever budget adjustments
ments they would need to make to start

590
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:42,640
paying that increased rate in July. If
we did that rate for

591
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:48,640
five years,
revisited it, it might be able to be

592
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:55,200
dropped by then.
It might be able to be dropped sooner

593
00:51:51,440 --> 00:52:02,800
and it could be dropped sooner. I I just
can't see that a 12% increase

594
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:07,520
is unaffordable.
>> I I beg to differ. Not everyone has the

595
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:12,079
same standard of of of living. Not
everyone. There's a lot of people who

596
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:14,880
are not able to afford living right now.
>> But with a budget adjustment, perhaps

597
00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:19,040
they could.
>> I don't see the money itself is not

598
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:26,319
going to change. if someone's paying
$200 in food or $150 to go to work or

599
00:52:23,839 --> 00:52:29,280
this is not going to change. As a matter
of fact, it keeps on increasing every

600
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:35,200
time [cough]
gas prices or or whatever it is. Um, and

601
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:40,720
that's why I want to buy them the extra
time. I might not be doing much by by

602
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:51,680
saying a six and a half or even a 7% but
I I and the 7% that we're talking about

603
00:52:45,839 --> 00:52:58,319
versus the um the 10% at the annual cost
it's not that much difference.

604
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:04,839
Um it's going to be like 20 30,000
maybe.

605
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,839
I wish I had it.

606
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:21,520
» But if we were to do the if the 10% was
five or seven,

607
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:29,839
so if you were to say 7%.
>> A 15% increase is $9.84 84 cents on the

608
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:32,079
monthly water bill for just already just
and that's that

609
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:37,119
» on the base rate
>> on the and that yeah and that includes

610
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:41,680
» um
the trash and the base which is not

611
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:47,119
increasing it's just the the other
things

612
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:53,599
it's a 51 cent increase
for water usage

613
00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:58,440
» so that 984 didn't include that 51 cents
because know what somebody's going to

614
00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:58,440
use, right?

615
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:08,119
» Smaller picture is

616
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:17,760
there would be a total of $152,000
212.

617
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:24,000
That would be the the price difference
between in five years span between a 7%

618
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:28,640
and a 10%.
>> Let's talk about what the monthly rate

619
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:32,960
is because you say we shouldn't increase
it very much because of what people can

620
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:37,520
afford.
>> Let's look at what their monthly bill

621
00:54:35,599 --> 00:54:41,680
increases by. That's what Shirley was
saying. Did you hear?

622
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:44,880
» It's $984.
>> 84.

623
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:51,119
» Mhm.
And that's for for for one month over

624
00:54:48,319 --> 00:54:59,040
five years. How much is that?
>> I'm talking about the expense it is to

625
00:54:53,599 --> 00:55:04,000
the household. $9 more a month,
>> how much it affects their right.

626
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:07,680
» I I I understand, but someone has to
talk about those people who cannot

627
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:11,599
afford the $9.84
increase. Not everyone can afford it.

628
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:16,400
And that's the thing that I think we're
we're um not on the same page on.

629
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:23,760
» Yeah, I guess we're not.
>> Not everyone is able to afford a $5

630
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:30,480
increase on the prices of gas, of milk,
the prices of eggs, the prices of Not

631
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:34,800
everyone is able to afford this far. And
the $9.84

632
00:55:32,319 --> 00:55:38,480
might not be a big deal for for some
people, but they might be a big deal for

633
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:43,839
other people. someone who's on fixed
income because they are retired. Uh

634
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:48,720
what's the average age that we have in
in Perry? I think the majority of them

635
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,319
are retired. A lot of people are
retired,

636
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:57,040
» but they're not. You need to look at
that because our household income is not

637
00:55:54,400 --> 00:56:00,559
in the low range.
>> It's above average.

638
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:05,680
» But those poor people need someone to
talk for them. And I think I'm going to

639
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:08,720
be that person if you're not willing to.
Don't do that to me, Camal. That's

640
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:13,599
really unfair.
>> But but it's not fair for you to say $10

641
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:19,680
everyone will be able to afford. I
understand $10 a month is not that big a

642
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:24,720
deal. I just don't believe that it is.
$152,000. What will you do with $152,000

643
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,319
in 5 years?
>> Nothing.

644
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:33,000
» Nothing. Right? That's the difference
between the 7% and the 10%.

645
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:42,920
That is the difference.
152,212.

646
00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:55,040
If my math is wrong, please let me know.
>> I can't go with it.

647
00:56:52,160 --> 00:57:00,960
» And that's okay. And that is okay. I
don't mind it. I'm just I I just feel

648
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:06,559
it's a big jump. See, I I feel like I'm
the person you're talking about. My

649
00:57:03,359 --> 00:57:12,559
finances are are very scary. Um my son's
going to be moving in with me to help me

650
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:16,880
because, you know, things are so tight.
But even I don't have a problem with the

651
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:21,680
$9 extra a month because you got to look
at the big picture. I mean, we don't

652
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:27,599
want to find ourselves in this in the
city as being in trouble and we could

653
00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:34,000
end up being in trouble.
It's, you know, it's not easy. It's

654
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:37,839
going to hit me. I know I can't afford
an extra $10 a month, but I'm going to

655
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:43,359
have to pay you because I You got to
look at big picture. We don't want to

656
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:47,760
end up like a small, you know, and all
of a sudden what if, God forbid,

657
00:57:45,359 --> 00:57:52,559
something does happen and we don't have
that money saved up, we could find

658
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:57,280
ourselves in real trouble. But I get
what you're saying. I mean, but but are

659
00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:02,559
things ever going to get better? I mean,
you know, things are expensive. I don't

660
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:06,720
see that changing. People are going to
be upset having to pay more. I don't see

661
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:10,640
that changing either. Whether it's, you
know, July or whether it's 5 years from

662
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:15,839
now, no one's ever going to be happy to
have to pay more money.

663
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:19,760
» But, you know, we can't sacrifice the
city

664
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:25,920
because it's going to be hard for a few
folks. And but honestly, at me being so

665
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:29,920
poor, I can tell you $9 a month ain't
going to kill me. And I think most

666
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:36,000
people would kind of agree with that.
Now, if you start talking $29 a month,

667
00:58:32,799 --> 00:58:41,359
okay, now that I'm now I'm on board with
you because, you know, that would be too

668
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:46,160
much of a hardship, but I don't think $9
a month is that big of a hardship. you

669
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:53,040
know, at the end of the day,
>> could we

670
00:58:48,720 --> 00:58:58,400
could we do like a 10, a seven, a 10, a
seven, something like that? Is that more

671
00:58:57,119 --> 00:59:04,880
» even if it appealing?
>> I mean, it's

672
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:09,839
my original question was $152,000
that's extra in the next five years.

673
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:14,640
What will you do with it? that that's
>> well I mean it's gonna get invested in I

674
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:17,599
to name a particular thing it'll be
roughly half of a well

675
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,480
» to drill a well
>> okay

676
00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:25,440
» let's just say that let's say it's
300,000 to put in a new well

677
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:29,599
» that's not really getting the water to
the water treatment plant it's just

678
00:59:27,599 --> 00:59:33,599
pouring it in the ground building the
wellhouse around it the pumps and

679
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:38,400
everything
that's roughly half of it

680
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:45,839
this stuff is
extreme extremely expensive and you know

681
00:59:41,359 --> 00:59:50,240
I wish it it was easier. Um you know and
I I fully understand what you're saying.

682
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:53,400
I I would love to be able to run the 2
and a half%

683
00:59:54,079 --> 01:00:01,680
» for however long.
>> Let's talk about that $150,000.

684
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,799
What would he do with it? Well, he said
it's not enough to accomplish the Well,

685
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:14,640
however, if we applied for a grant, if
the city applied for a grant

686
01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:23,200
and it was a 50/50 match,
then we've got 150,000 to match the

687
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:33,160
legislature grant for a total of 300,000
to do the new well. So, would we be able

688
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:33,160
to use that? Yeah, I think we would.

689
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:43,680
» That's a really good point.
>> Yeah, legislative grant money is not

690
01:00:39,119 --> 01:00:49,920
absolutely free. Um, this grant we've
applied for for Keiny Street has a

691
01:00:46,559 --> 01:00:55,280
matching amount and we had to have Megan
look into that. How much of a match

692
01:00:52,480 --> 01:01:00,880
could we do? and she did a whole lot of
digging and said, "Well, we could do

693
01:00:58,319 --> 01:01:08,319
this much." And so that's what we put in
our application as being able to match.

694
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:13,440
And there's always almost always
matching money

695
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:19,359
because truly
we'd have to raise our rates

696
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:23,760
way higher to be able to pay for all
this ourselves.

697
01:01:21,119 --> 01:01:29,280
So, what we're trying to accomplish is
to have enough money in the bank

698
01:01:27,119 --> 01:01:34,400
to accomplish it perhaps through
matching money for a legislative grant

699
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:38,640
of some kind. And you never know if
you're going to get that anyway. So, if

700
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:44,240
you don't get the grant, then you're
still saving and still saving.

701
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:50,480
Um, we've been told that we have issues
with one of our wells. How do we know

702
01:01:47,040 --> 01:01:57,359
how long that's going to last? We don't.
We are based on the information that OM

703
01:01:53,599 --> 01:02:03,359
provided in their study.
We're holding on by however many

704
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:07,599
threats. Um, but we need to be setting
money aside to address these things. I

705
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:12,319
mean,
>> we're going to achieve

706
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:21,440
» it doesn't help the city people who are
paying 6% or 12% if they don't have

707
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:26,720
water anyway. Um we need to be able to
accomplish what we're supposed to

708
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:31,920
accomplish in providing water and sewer
services to the city. And yes, it would

709
01:02:29,599 --> 01:02:38,160
have helped if the rates would have been
raised

710
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:44,640
more in the past, but they weren't.
And um I'm not like Mindy said blaming

711
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:49,119
anybody for that. It was fairly common
for that to happen. But if we keep doing

712
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:52,240
that, we're just kicking the can down
the road.

713
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:57,119
» That's right. That's right.
>> I mean, if and I'll I'll confess with

714
01:02:54,799 --> 01:03:05,040
Kristen. I mean, my husband and I are
both retired and uh

715
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:09,280
we don't do a lot of things that other
people that we know and have known for

716
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:17,039
years and years do. We don't take long
vacations. We don't go to a lot of

717
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:21,920
movies. We don't spend extra money on,
you know, things that other people spend

718
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:28,319
because we don't have it. We try to keep
money in the bank for emergencies. But

719
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:33,599
yes, we could pay another $9 a month, an
additional nine,

720
01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:38,559
possibly even 15 if we, you know, needed
to. But if it was 30,

721
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:44,240
there might be a problem.
>> Then we're going to have a conversation.

722
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:48,319
» That's right. Yeah. But I I recognize,
Kamal, I do. I recognize that we do have

723
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:52,000
people in our community. They're in
every community.

724
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:57,440
» And Sue, I didn't mean to call you out
in that way either in that meeting. I'm

725
01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:03,200
just I'm just really struggling with
that with a 15 person. We do have

726
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:10,319
provisions if you're not aware of them
um for people who are financially

727
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:17,599
uh challenged to be able to get
assistance to cover their water bill.

728
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:21,640
They just have to come to the city and
talk to Shirley about it.

729
01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:29,960
» I haven't heard you. What do you think?

730
01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:42,240
» Basically agree. I basically agree with
everybody what everybody saying, but

731
01:04:38,799 --> 01:04:47,440
I'm all for the
$9.84 a month.

732
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:51,160
» 15%.
>> What is that?

733
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:51,160
» 15%.

734
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:03,200
Well, if I'm understanding correctly
from Shirley and Megan,

735
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:09,039
not only do we need to do what the
motion in our minutes says is to set the

736
01:05:07,119 --> 01:05:16,720
date for the public hearing, but along
with that, we have to set a rate,

737
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:19,720
» which I did not write a motion for. I'm
sorry.

738
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:32,559
So if we have more discussion, please
feel free to bring it. Otherwise,

739
01:05:28,799 --> 01:05:40,280
feel free to make a motion
based on the rate recommendation

740
01:05:36,079 --> 01:05:40,280
for the water sewer rate.

741
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:51,359
I move that we set a public hearing for
October 1st, 2026 at 7:15 p.m. to

742
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:56,240
discuss a possible
15%

743
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:59,119
increase in water sewer rates.
Is that right?

744
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:04,039
» That's good.
>> Do we have a second?

745
01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:04,039
» A second.

746
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:11,960
» I understand.
I do too do believe me.

747
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:20,799
» It's been moved by Mindy, seconded by
Kristen.

748
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:23,599
» All those in favor of that motion,
please signify by saying I.

749
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:26,880
» I.
>> No.

750
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:29,680
» Have to wait a minute.
>> Those opposed? Nay.

751
01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:35,680
» Nay.
>> Now we need to take a roll call vote.

752
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:39,839
» Mindy Gabby.
>> Yes.

753
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:44,480
Kristen Fable.
>> Yes.

754
01:06:42,079 --> 01:06:48,319
» Mr. Paul.
>> Yes.

755
01:06:47,119 --> 01:06:51,319
» Kamalazi.
>> No.

756
01:06:54,799 --> 01:06:58,359
» We do have

757
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:05,480
enough votes to carry this forward.
So, the motion passes.

758
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:16,799
Thank you for all of your discussion and
all of your concerns.

759
01:07:14,720 --> 01:07:25,760
And this will go to a public hearing
then for October 1st. That will be

760
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:33,200
during the October 1st council meeting.
Surely we'll post this public hearing

761
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:38,359
and um hopefully we'll have people come
to share their

762
01:07:35,359 --> 01:07:38,359
thoughts.

763
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:49,400
Moving to our next agenda item number
four, we have an elevator contractor

764
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:49,400
discussion.

765
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:06,160
Um, so I presented this a few months
ago. I think it was um

766
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:11,119
a
um

767
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:17,839
Oh, I'm sorry. Something from Schindler.
They they sent me to sign and um to

768
01:08:14,799 --> 01:08:26,319
receive like a 5% discount for a 10-year
extension on a contract. Um Bob wanted

769
01:08:21,679 --> 01:08:31,839
me to look around and find um maybe a
couple different quotes. Uh I was able

770
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:35,679
to find one quote and
if you guys want to wait for Bob for

771
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:40,960
this because he was the one that asked
to wait. We most certainly can do that.

772
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:46,799
Um but I did. The company that I got a
hold of was Otis Elevator. Uh they

773
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:54,080
provided me with a quote. I emailed our
current contract to um the attorney the

774
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:58,080
quote that they sent me and he provided
this recommendation

775
01:08:56,239 --> 01:09:04,640
and I don't know if everybody's read it
or not. Um but he basically is saying

776
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:08,719
that we can end our contract. I have to
give them a a written notice just like

777
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:15,759
it says in the con in the in our
contract um be no later than October

778
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:20,560
3rd. So, we would have to decide um at
the meeting on October 1st,

779
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:26,239
but
they are proposing

780
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:31,839
um $2,520
per year.

781
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:39,600
There is a possible 5 to 7% increase
with with each year in that contract. Um

782
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:42,799
I think I put that in your packet. Did I
put that in there? Do you see that? I

783
01:09:42,239 --> 01:09:47,759
don't remember.
>> It just says what? Did I Did I give that

784
01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:57,760
to you? See?
>> No. Okay. So, if right now we're paying

785
01:09:53,279 --> 01:10:04,480
uh 3 thou we paid $3,87.11.
That was for our service from February

786
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:07,520
1st to January 31st of 2027.
>> And that's with Schindler.

787
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:11,600
» That's with Schindler. So, we would be
renewing. We would not be renewing. We

788
01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:16,280
would be entering into a new contract
with Otis Elevator $2,520.

789
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:26,159
If we did this and we went for the seven
years, even after the I'm sorry, 5 years

790
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:32,400
with the 7% increase that they say could
happen every year, we'd still be under

791
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:36,480
the $3,800. So, it' be 330321.
>> Does does the Schindler contract have

792
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:40,480
the same provision for increasing every
year?

793
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:49,920
» Increase every year. Yes. Uh last year
in 2025 we paid 36.98.91

794
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:57,280
2024 244183
and it just gets lower

795
01:10:52,400 --> 01:11:02,360
each each month by then or each year.
So it started out in 2020 at 254328.

796
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:10,080
So, we're
it's a better

797
01:11:06,480 --> 01:11:15,920
» Oh, Otis is a well-known um elevator
company. I mean, they've been in

798
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:21,600
business for an awfully long time. Um,
just to say that out loud.

799
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:27,679
Does anybody have any discussion
regarding either of these contracts?

800
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:32,480
» I think those are like the main two. Um,
I don't think there's a whole lot of

801
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:36,800
competition other than those two. So
>> I did the one the school said they use

802
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:40,000
» Yeah, but they never called me back. So
I don't want to

803
01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:43,920
» is not the one.
>> Yeah.

804
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:47,280
» Um or something like that or
>> So you had trouble finding other places

805
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:49,679
to give you
>> well

806
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:53,920
» bids.
>> The maintenance supervisor from the

807
01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:59,280
school came in and I asked him who they
use because I totally forgot they had an

808
01:11:56,000 --> 01:12:03,760
elevator. Megan told me and he told me.
So, I reached out to them, but I just

809
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:09,920
never got a response. And it's been a
few weeks. So, and I just This has been

810
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:14,719
sitting here for I feel like a couple
months at least since I presented it at

811
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:18,800
the last meeting, which
>> Well, I think you've done what Bob

812
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:24,880
asked. I mean, he asked to compare this
to others. And so you have attempted to

813
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:33,280
find other companies and did eventually
get this uh bid or quote from Otis, but

814
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:37,440
never got a response from the third one.
And just so you know, I did all the

815
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:43,040
homework first. I came down, I took
pictures of the elevator room. I emailed

816
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:46,480
them to the lady. She sent somebody out
after she got the pictures. they came

817
01:12:44,560 --> 01:12:52,159
and looked at it to make sure that the
2520 per for the first year what she'd

818
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:55,360
be able to stick to that you know if we
had different I don't know anything

819
01:12:53,760 --> 01:13:02,159
about elevators other than they go up
and down so um so they they came out

820
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:07,920
they looked at it and they're still with
the same price so they didn't increase

821
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:14,199
it after coming out and looking at it
>> so the Otus contract would be for a

822
01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:14,199
duration of five years

823
01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:24,440
So I had a question on page three of the
okay the price adjustment.

824
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:33,520
Um the first sentence it says the the
contract price is subject to increase in

825
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:40,000
response to increases to operational
administrative labor and other industry

826
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:45,679
related economic factors. Is that
typical?

827
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:48,000
I had Justin look at this. I He
um

828
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:54,320
» I don't know.
>> Okay. So, he didn't feel that was

829
01:13:51,360 --> 01:13:59,480
» he didn't say
um

830
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:59,480
let's see.

831
01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:06,560
He just says that if we wish to
terminate and or not renew a Schindler

832
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:14,920
maintenance agreement, I recommend that
the city city send a written notice of

833
01:14:09,679 --> 01:14:14,920
termination. very sad. Um,

834
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:34,000
yeah, it doesn't really say.
So, and my other question was on page

835
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:38,719
six, the exclusions.
I think that's probably the same answer.

836
01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:42,120
He didn't say that. I didn't see there
was a problem.

837
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:58,640
So it's say so I I kind of like feel
like that's kind of like maintenance

838
01:14:52,800 --> 01:15:03,120
item or um if if the panel falls off I
will have to pay to fix you know like if

839
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:07,120
a ceiling falls down they're not that's
not covered under their maintenance

840
01:15:04,960 --> 01:15:10,480
agreement. as like an extra.
>> They're maintaining they're maintaining

841
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:13,440
the
>> Yes.

842
01:15:11,360 --> 01:15:15,360
» motors, the you know the engine,
>> right?

843
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:20,159
» The stuff that makes it run.
>> So that would be an additional

844
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:25,760
» like I remember one time I think
something was wrong with the call box

845
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:35,120
inside the elevator. It wasn't working
and we had to pay to have that repaired.

846
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:41,360
Um yeah, right here. And so, and don't
ask me what it was because it was in

847
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:46,480
2022, but it's um my note in accounts
payable was elevator repair to due to

848
01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:54,400
power fail failure and it was almost
$900. So, whatever happened that was not

849
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:59,679
that was out of the maintenance
um portion of their contract.

850
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:04,747
» I didn't really explain this whole thing
very well, so I'm sorry.

851
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:10,679
» No, you didn't fine. I understood it.
>> [laughter]

852
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:10,679
» Does anybody have other questions for

853
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:28,320
» And remember when I
So I did actually go back and ask

854
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:34,880
uh Schindler the 5% discount any of the
discount 2% 3% or 5% discount.

855
01:16:32,719 --> 01:16:39,040
They're giving us a discount, but that
doesn't mean they're not going to raise

856
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:42,880
it their five. So, it's not really even
a discount. I don't think you

857
01:16:40,480 --> 01:16:45,600
» If they raise it 5% and they give us a
5% discount, we're paying the same

858
01:16:44,880 --> 01:16:49,760
amount.
>> Yeah.

859
01:16:46,320 --> 01:16:57,640
» I think it's kind of just a play on
words where Oh, yeah.

860
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,640
» Sign that. So,

861
01:16:58,159 --> 01:17:03,520
» but if you guys want to wait till Bob's
here, that's totally fine. I don't have

862
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:09,600
a problem with it. that it's just
sitting there and I'll just put it on

863
01:17:05,040 --> 01:17:16,400
the agenda for next the 17th.
>> As long as nothing happens that we

864
01:17:13,440 --> 01:17:21,199
» we want to change.
>> Well, but if we meet and make the

865
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:27,040
decision on the 17th, she has time to
notify Schindler that we're canceling

866
01:17:24,080 --> 01:17:33,199
that contract and we have time then to
enter into the contract

867
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:38,719
» no later. Yep. No later than October 3rd
or no earlier than October 3rd but no

868
01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:41,120
later than November 2nd is what it says.
So I actually have until November.

869
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,640
» So we do still have
>> Yeah. And so and remind me how much are

870
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:50,719
we paying Schindler?
>> We are pay we paid Schindler

871
01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:55,840
for the last contract. Sorry,
>> 3,87

872
01:17:53,520 --> 01:18:00,480
I think it was 11. Okay. And 11 cents.
Yep.

873
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:00,480
» I don't know where I just had that.

874
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:07,760
And Otis's is 2520.
>> Right. Right.

875
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:12,239
» So even after the five years, say we
went with Otus, even after the five

876
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:19,760
years, if they increase their rate every
year 7%, we would still only be paying

877
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:21,520
30 I don't want to say only 3303, but
>> less.

878
01:18:20,159 --> 01:18:23,440
» It's still less than what we're paying
right now.

879
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:31,600
to shindle
>> to

880
01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:35,400
» what do you think about waiting for
>> that's a big difference

881
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:40,400
I
>> I think it's pretty obvious but that's

882
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:44,640
up to you guys absolutely
>> whether you want to vote on that tonight

883
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:50,640
or if you want to table it that's up to
you [snorts]

884
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:52,239
» you need to decide
>> okay

885
01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:55,280
» I either way.
>> I think yeah, I could go either way, but

886
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:59,920
I feel like we could vote on it.
>> All right. I move that we approve the

887
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:07,120
elevator service code from Otus Elevator
for a period beginning January 1st, 2027

888
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:11,000
through December 31st, 2031 in the
amount of $2,520

889
01:19:12,080 --> 01:19:21,280
for the first year and annual increase
of 5 to 7% each following year. Uh we

890
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:24,280
authorize city clerk to sign the
contract.

891
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:28,600
» Looking for a second.
>> Second.

892
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:34,640
» We have a motion from Kamal, seconded by
MNE. All those in favor of that motion,

893
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:37,600
please signify by saying I.
>> I.

894
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:44,640
» Those opposed, nay.
Motion passes.

895
01:19:40,719 --> 01:19:49,440
Our next item on the agenda um is a city
hall door replacement. And we're not

896
01:19:47,280 --> 01:19:52,640
ready for that. Is that right, John?
Talk to us about

897
01:19:50,159 --> 01:19:57,520
» I want to move it to the October 1st
meeting. Okay. Whatever the date would

898
01:19:54,320 --> 01:20:05,920
be. Is that okay?
>> Sure. So to the October 1st meeting.

899
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:12,480
» I move that we table the city hall door
replacement code discussion to October

900
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:18,239
1st. uh
and the next meeting.

901
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:23,280
» Second. Do I have a second? Mindy. We
have a motion from Kamal, seconded by

902
01:20:20,719 --> 01:20:26,880
Mindy. All those in favor of that
motion, please signify by saying I.

903
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:32,199
» I.
>> Those opposed? Nay. Motion passes.

904
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:41,080
» Council, is there any other business to
come before council at this time?

905
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,080
Council

906
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:47,560
discussions or observations.

907
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:53,520
We have any further public comment? Yes,
John.

908
01:20:50,800 --> 01:20:58,239
» Yeah. First of all, I want to
thank council's

909
01:20:55,920 --> 01:21:03,679
very healthy conversation regarding the
rights to the water sewer increase. I

910
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:07,920
think it's pretty healthy and everybody
was very honest with their opinions. I

911
01:21:06,080 --> 01:21:16,560
have a suggestion.
When this is presented to the public,

912
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:24,560
15% is going to look like a a lot. $9,
$6, it's 15%. Anything going up 15%

913
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:30,080
people are going to sit back and not
take it. Well,

914
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:36,159
um, my suggestion is you need to find
some compromise

915
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:44,159
that you've searched out, you found ways
to reduce that utility bill, this

916
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:50,320
utility bill been a crawl up my sleeve,
whatever, ever since I've come here by

917
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:56,560
taking this and making it based on
usage, which is a nice way to do in

918
01:21:52,800 --> 01:22:03,120
terms of fairness, But it takes it off
the table for tax deduction deduction.

919
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:10,880
You can't deduct what you pay utilities
if you are. It's against the law. The

920
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:18,080
IRS does not allow a deduction for usage
of water, usage of a service that you

921
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:24,480
pay when you go. if you've tacked it on
as part of the bill and I'm sure there's

922
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:28,719
a way you can add it into the bill how
you aortion it on the bill and I

923
01:22:26,719 --> 01:22:33,040
understand that becomes complicated
because obviously if the house is worth

924
01:22:31,360 --> 01:22:36,800
more
it you know it's going to it's going to

925
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:39,440
pay more than if the house is less
regardless of usage

926
01:22:38,239 --> 01:22:44,480
» not on water sewer no
>> no no what I'm saying that's the way it

927
01:22:41,760 --> 01:22:48,000
is now I agree right now it's based on
actual usage

928
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:53,120
But but it's not John. That's what I'm
trying to say. The there's a base rate

929
01:22:51,120 --> 01:22:56,639
for water. There's a base rate for
sewer. Yeah.

930
01:22:54,080 --> 01:23:01,199
» Then there's an additional charge for
water usage.

931
01:22:58,719 --> 01:23:07,679
» Right. What I'm saying is that it's not
tax deductible. Now,

932
01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:13,199
» if it was on the the actual bill, I
think it becomes tax deductible. Just a

933
01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:18,000
thought. That's that's that's aside from
my my reason for m making these

934
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:23,280
comments.
Look for some way you can offer people

935
01:23:21,440 --> 01:23:27,840
an offset.
Whatever it is, you're saying it's going

936
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:32,719
to be about nine bucks a month more,
whatever.

937
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:39,760
If you can find $3 a month, $4 a month
in that utility bill. I mean, we used to

938
01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:44,239
not charge for this waste pickup. All of
a sudden about four or five years ago we

939
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:49,840
started charging for the waste pickup
waste launch that used to be just

940
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:55,760
included I guess.
Think about some of those items. Could

941
01:23:52,080 --> 01:24:01,520
you save or offset
a few dollars in the utility bill so

942
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:06,800
that you're saying well you know this is
this and this.

943
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:10,080
It would just PR work. It would be well
I think it be a suggestion. So I leave

944
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:16,320
that with you
>> and we appreciate that suggestion. We'll

945
01:24:12,960 --> 01:24:19,440
have our treasurer look into the
possible tax.

946
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:25,173
» Any compromise
>> trail would be I think a nice gift.

947
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:32,800
» Yeah. OM engineering will be here for
[music] that meeting and they'll do

948
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:39,280
their presentation um their PowerPoint
showing um you know the the rates and

949
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:45,520
what we need to accomplish and how each
rate matches up or doesn't falls below

950
01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:50,880
or above. I think that helps to explain
it a little bit. But I hear what you're

951
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:56,239
saying. I just don't know. I don't know
any any possibility, but we'll ask Megan

952
01:24:53,760 --> 01:25:00,080
to kind of look into that. Shirley might
have some thoughts. I don't know if John

953
01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:05,120
does, but we'll certainly look into
those ideas.

954
01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:08,159
» Any other public comment? Mark, did you
have anything else you wanted to say?

955
01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:10,560
Okay.
>> I [clears throat] laugh, but I'm not

956
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:13,044
going to say it.
All right. [laughter]

957
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:23,840
» What agenda.
>> If surely could could mention the $9

958
01:25:20,960 --> 01:25:27,920
increase, it would
be easier to comprehend how much we're

959
01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:31,199
talking here.
>> Yes.

960
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:36,480
» Well, I I think like the numbers that
they're that are presented, they're

961
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:41,040
they're just big numbers. It's like a
it's the big picture.

962
01:25:37,840 --> 01:25:43,120
» It makes it more palatable. to for me to
hear it broken down,

963
01:25:42,159 --> 01:25:48,080
» right?
>> Because then because then you think,

964
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:53,760
"Oh, I can do that."
>> But so yeah, I agree with you. That

965
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:56,480
might help.
>> Sorry.

966
01:25:54,639 --> 01:26:00,320
» No, that's a good thought.
>> Interrupted.

967
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:06,719
» Any any other thoughts, council, you'd
like to share?

968
01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:10,560
Our next agenda items? Um maybe we could
get an update on the data center

969
01:26:08,719 --> 01:26:14,000
moratorum next time.
>> Oh yes.

970
01:26:11,840 --> 01:26:20,480
» Um
and we are going to address a proposed

971
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:27,520
change in our standing committees. Um
it after looking at it, Shirley and I um

972
01:26:25,199 --> 01:26:34,560
and Megan were in discussion as to
whether we still needed the

973
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:37,600
pension committee. They've not met since
I've been mayor and that's been six

974
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:42,080
years.
>> And so we talked to John because he's

975
01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:46,800
the city employee. So we're going to put
that on the agenda for discussion next

976
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:51,120
time to perhaps eliminate that
committee.

977
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:58,000
And I'm hoping that we'll have
appointments to the planning commission.

978
01:26:53,920 --> 01:27:04,480
So please, if anybody is um interested
in serving on the planning commission,

979
01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:08,719
please let someone at city hall know. Um
and council please give consideration to

980
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:13,679
sitting on the ordinance committee and
let me know if you are. So I think

981
01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:17,199
that's all.
>> Where will the moratorum updates come

982
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:23,040
from?
>> Surely she's the zoning administrator.

983
01:27:19,679 --> 01:27:29,120
» Okay. Well will ordinance committee
should meet and

984
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:34,320
» Okay. I think I think the ordinance
committee should meet because it's an a

985
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:37,679
zoning ordinance and then we'll discuss
what we want how we want to approach

986
01:27:36,320 --> 01:27:41,760
that I guess.
>> So the zoning administrator is asking

987
01:27:39,679 --> 01:27:43,920
for the ordinance committee to
>> Okay.

988
01:27:42,159 --> 01:27:51,679
» I just didn't find out what happened
until we had all of our in

989
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:58,000
» Oh well I think I have like some
suggestions but I should probably check

990
01:27:54,400 --> 01:28:04,560
with the attorney and make and Yes.
>> I mean, I'm looking at some stuff.

991
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:10,560
» Okay. I will I will give it to him.
>> Okay. Well, I I'll ask him. It might not

992
01:28:07,520 --> 01:28:12,719
be a quick answer, but I'll ask him on
Tuesday.

993
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:16,560
» Okay.
>> All right.

994
01:28:14,639 --> 01:28:22,080
» Anything else? Anything else for next
agenda?

995
01:28:18,800 --> 01:28:27,000
Anybody? Anybody going on?
>> Then our meeting is adjourned. It is

996
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,000
8:28.