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[0:00] Public utilities, committee meetings, order for March 27, 2024 at 6.30 p.m. Councilman Fuller and Councilman
[0:11] Reddick are here. Councilman Wall of Sign is not with us this evening and we have met
[0:16] you know what, as well as Joe Fossil.
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[0:59] Here we go.
[1:00] We'll move on.
[1:02] We'll move the objections to the meeting minutes
[1:05] from previous move to pass.
[1:08] Objections to stand approved.
[1:12] Any sort of credit statement.
[1:18] All right.
[1:18] Good.
[1:18] The evening.
[1:20] Council members.
[1:21] I think passed out a.
[1:25] tabulation of the senator sewer credits since the last public utilities committee meeting.
[1:31] For this last period of time, we had a singular residence.
[1:36] We had a backup power water sum pump that was running.
[1:39] We went on tested to make sure that it is just charging into the storm sewer.
[1:43] As is our protocol, and we termed that was.
[1:46] And this is for a singular residence over a two month or two month building period.
[1:52] totaling $535 in the 18 cents, this was at 867 Walnut Street, and as I mentioned,
[2:00] we had confirmed that it is a deep discharging appropriately, and our
[2:06] tabulation for the year is now $4,42400 and $2900 in sewer credit.
[2:14] Any questions?
[2:16] No.
[2:18] No.
[2:18] Myself, either.
[2:20] Move forward to the new water and sewer rates presentation.
[2:25] We have a guest with us as a student.
[2:27] Yes.
[2:27] Thank you.
[2:28] This is Michael Maker.
[2:29] He is the deputy director of water studies.
[2:34] Practice.
[2:35] You know what?
[2:35] Practice.
[2:36] As U.S. strategies.
[2:38] They are.
[2:39] The city of Parisburg's rate consultant, and they helped establish the previous set of rates and looking at where we stand and projected the rate to be the future, it appears that we are going to have some shortfalls to stem those off.
[2:57] We work with new general strategies to find out what rates need to be adjusted to or to avoid those shortfalls.
[3:05] And we ask, I'd like to put together a presentation to help excited, what we work where we are and where we expect to be.
[3:16] Thank you, Matt.
[3:18] Are you leaving?
[3:19] Evening.
[3:19] So I do a brief presentation.
[3:21] Feel free to stop me as we go up.
[3:22] You have any questions and hopefully you're the eye on that and answer that question.
[3:28] So just the guiding principles and objectives of the study.
[3:30] You just, just again, just say your name and then.
[3:34] Sure.
[3:35] Also for your wealth.
[3:36] Sure.
[3:36] I'm Mike Maker, I'm with new gen strategies and solutions.
[3:39] I'm a partner with the firm and the Deputy Director of the Water Practice.
[3:44] I'm our office, is there an afflist Maryland?
[3:47] That's glad to hear.
[3:48] Thank you.
[3:49] So for the study, the guiding principles are objectives.
[3:51] So the water and sewer enterprise funds should be financially self-supporting.
[3:55] So that is, they should not be subsidized by the general fund.
[3:57] And should not in turn subsidize the general fund.
[4:00] Certainly if there are expenses of the general fund, services they provide to the enterprise fund,
[4:05] and they certainly reimbursed for that, so IT finance, things like that.
[4:11] Ideally, Warren's sewer shouldn't subsidize each other either, so you shouldn't have
[4:14] a water customer's paying for sewer and vice versa.
[4:18] Intelligent maintain reserves provide for contingencies, unplanned expenses, so we have built
[4:23] in an operating reserve, they're kind of a rainy day fund, and we'll discuss that.
[4:27] And then the water sewer rates should be kept as low as possible over time, and we've
[4:34] system, and then you'll have a water main break or something that's catastrophic and you need
[4:39] to do a lot of great increase. So the goal is to invest in the system now, you know,
[4:43] sustainably over the long-term, so you kind of keep rates low for the long-term. So our
[4:48] objectives to ensure rates are stable through sound financial management, and we do that by
[4:53] viewing the funds and preparing a long-term financial plan.
[4:58] So some of the factors that affect
[5:00] a lot of surcharge rates, so these are going to like our assumptions for the study, obviously
[5:04] the operating main expenses, that's going to be your labor, your benefits, your supply materials.
[5:10] You know, essentially, you know, 80% of your costs are really fixed.
[5:13] Other than, you know, chemicals electricity, obviously the purchase of water from Toledo is
[5:18] going to be a big variable,
[5:21] but, you know, predominantly most of your expenses are fixed.
[5:23] Your salaries, your debt service, things like that.
[5:25] So, some of the things that obviously affect rates and charges of purchase of water from
[5:29] Toledo, that's based on their contracted rate increases that they provided and I can give you
[5:34] detail on that if we need to get into it, but essentially, you know, from roughly fiscal year
[5:39] 23 through 26, I looked at what the potential Toledo purchase of water cost is and it's
[5:44] about 50% of your entire need for costs.
[5:49] So what that means if they implement a 10% rate increase, that's an automatic 5% rate increase,
[5:54] you need to put it at the 50% rate to all costs.
[5:57] You also have the wheel and cost from Northwest, one in sewer district, that's about a 10%
[6:04] That's 10% of your total cost.
[6:05] So those two together, there's only 60% of your needs.
[6:09] And, you know, you don't really have to control of that.
[6:11] So whatever rate increases, they pass on to you.
[6:12] You kind of have to pass that on to the customer.
[6:15] See, I've these a couple of borrowed plans.
[6:17] That's obviously another big one.
[6:18] So that's investment in your distribution collection.
[6:22] Treatment systems.
[6:24] And those can either be cash funded, debt funded, or come directly from,
[6:27] you know, retained earnings, or cash balances.
[6:29] debt service, so that's both any existing, so any principal interest payments, you currently
[6:33] have in the books, so you need to pay those obligations, and then any capital projects
[6:37] that we plan on debt funding, we've assumed that 4.5% interest rate and a 20-year maturity
[6:43] on those.
[6:44] So a lot of those projects are full, it'll along my assets, things are our last several decades,
[6:49] so it kind of makes sense to tie those to a long-term plan so that not just today's customers
[6:54] are paying for those with kind of future customers who are going to benefit from that as well.
[6:58] Customer change is the historical growth, the trend of the growth, you've been growing about 1%
[7:03] per year and actual number of new customers or connections. However, on the usage, so we
[7:08] kind of separate those out, you have your new customers, but then how much usage those
[7:11] customers are using, and that's been relatively flat. So you may be adding a handful of customers
[7:15] each year, but you know, on average we're seeing across the country, you know, customers
[7:19] using less per capita. So it's low for low fixtures, you're smaller household sizes, conservation
[7:24] things like that. Miscellaneous revenues, that's things, other than raising chargers, we're just...
[7:30] Being conservative here and assuming really no growth in those, and then a reserve target I mentioned. So we're targeting a combined operating capital bones.
[7:37] You have those two funds for each water and sewer, a 180 days of operating expenses. So roughly 50% of the operating expenses kept in what we call a rainy day fund or kind of a rate stabilization fund.
[7:49] So you have some funds to fall back on. When we get to the plan, you'll see we're actually using some of your existing cash. So we're not putting it all in the backs of the rate payers. We're actually using some existing cash to hold off its rating increases.
[8:03] These are showing that the billing blocks of the revenue requirements is essentially a fancy
[8:08] term for the expenses of the system, so the revenue required and collected.
[8:12] So, at the base here, we were operating expenses.
[8:14] Again, those are just your salaries, your meat and materials supplies, things like that.
[8:18] Adding on top of that, any debt service that you're currently having to pay for our cash-running
[8:23] capital projects, so those are anything we're going to pay for in the exact year that
[8:27] those products take place, and then any new debt service, so those are projects that we're
[8:31] debt fund, they're kind of they're large one-time low-key projects, things you're not doing
[8:36] every year and we have the payments starting the next year after the project you get started.
[8:41] So we add all that up, that's where we really need to collect from customers, that's our annual
[8:44] revenue requirement.
[8:47] This is highlights some of the larger capital projects for the next three
[8:52] years, so the current year 24 and then 25 and 26. And for all these we're showing a three-year
[8:58] land because as Mack can give you some further detail on, I know that the sewer CIP is
[9:04] kind of up in the air, a better idea of exactly what the needs are going to be in 2026.
[9:10] So we're really just showing the next two and a half years rate plenty out.
[9:15] So some of the large capital products of water, there's the campus improvements, the portion
[9:18] that's funded through water, and that will be debt funded front second and third waterline
[9:24] replacement, that's another 2 million that's going straight out of the capital fund, and then
[9:28] the 5th and 6th Street Warming Replacement, that's going to come from a rate revenue or
[9:33] a new rates will pay for that.
[9:35] And then for sewer, we've got a big project for the primary clear fire, that's 15 million
[9:39] that will obviously be dead funded, because there'll be a big chunk to pay up in one year.
[9:44] The era of digester improvements, that's another 5 million, that one's coming straight from
[9:47] the capital fund, and so not going into rates, but coming straight from existing reserves, and
[9:53] And again, also the campus improvements, the portion that the source and the pay for there.
[9:58] And there's others that are in the detail with those kind of large ones for the next two and a half years.
[10:06] So we kind of stack up those costs.
[10:08] The blue again being the operating expenses, this is for water.
[10:11] And then the green being the cash running capital projects.
[10:15] Doesn't look like any new debt service for water here.
[10:17] Don't see a purple.
[10:18] But then if we look at that line going across the horizontal blue line,
[10:21] that's what you're bringing in right now in terms of revenue.
[10:23] So any time those stacked column charts are higher than that blue line, that means you're running
[10:28] a deficit.
[10:29] And any time, it's above that means you're running a surplus.
[10:33] It's a dark blue line that's kind of sloping up to the right.
[10:36] That's our proposed plan to kind of cover those costs and make sure we're meeting that
[10:40] 180 days cash balance by the end of 2026.
[10:43] So you can see sometimes even our proposed plan is still a shortfall, and that's because
[10:48] we're using some of the existing cash so that we're not putting it all as a rating crease.
[10:52] And then you'll see the note at the bottom that dark blue line is sloping up to the right.
[10:57] That represents a...
[10:59] So you're able to 3% increase in in January 1st.
[11:02] So you want to get that out of the way.
[11:03] And then we're proposing a 10% rate increase July 1st this year.
[11:08] Another 10% January 1st next year.
[11:11] And then another 10% January 1st 26.
[11:15] And that doesn't mention at that point you'd want to reevaluate
[11:17] what the capital improvements look like from their own.
[11:21] So how does that affect the cash balance?
[11:24] So the red line here is our target 180 days,
[11:28] and it's going to increase as operating expenses increase
[11:30] and it's tied to that as a percentage.
[11:33] But that blue stack you can see starting in 2023,
[11:36] you're starting with about 10 million combined operating capital balance.
[11:41] And you can see we're using that over time
[11:44] in addition to those increases that we referred to.
[11:47] So that combination of increases with use of fund balance
[11:50] gets you to meet that 180 days cash by 2026.
[11:57] And they turn to sewer, the same two charts here.
[12:01] Again, the blue being, operating expenses,
[12:04] red being, current debt service, green being,
[12:06] cash fund projects, which you can see there's a significant amount
[12:09] there in 20425, and then new debt service
[12:14] that we start to the next year.
[12:16] So, this proposing increase would be a 2% increase that already went to effect in January 1st,
[12:23] and then a 6% increase in July 1st January 1st, and then January 1st again.
[12:28] And here for the next chart, you can see we're using a significant amount of cash to offset the increases.
[12:34] So, in 23, here we have a combined roughly 23 million dollars, an operating capital balance.
[12:40] And we're bringing that all the way down to roughly 13, 13 and a half by the end of 26.
[12:48] Here you can see it's clearly above 180 days minimum amounts.
[12:56] So these are just what kind of charges and rates are right now.
[12:58] So for water and sewer you have a monthly minimum charge.
[13:02] So that's a 300 cubic feet.
[13:04] So regardless of how much water you use, you pay for 300 cubic feet is a monthly minimum.
[13:08] And then anything above that, you pay per 1,000 cubic feet, and it's separate inside and outside charges.
[13:16] And then for sewer, there's also separate, whether you have one meter or two meter,
[13:19] with the second meter being for irrigation.
[13:21] And then you also have some customers who don't receive any treatment service, and they pay less.
[13:28] And then taking those rates, are taking those current day rates,
[13:31] and then applying those three 10% increases.
[13:34] This is what those would look like going forward.
[13:37] And again, it's just taking those percentages and applying across the board.
[13:42] We usually say customers don't care what their rates are,
[13:45] they want their bills going to be.
[13:46] So this is a monthly bill impact for 2024.
[13:50] So the current bills that are already in place
[13:52] that were imposed, January 1st, and then the bills would be on July 1st.
[13:59] So you can see for water that a 10% increase,
[14:02] sewer the 6%, and then if you have water and sewer,
[14:05] if you're both services, which most customers usually do,
[14:08] they'd see an 8% increase as opposed to the 10 or the 6.
[14:11] as you combine.
[14:14] And then bringing that forward through the next several years, the next three years.
[14:20] If we take that median user example, the 50th percentile uses 500 cubic feet per month.
[14:25] It currently pay 7673. That would go at 8296, which is that any percent increase or a 6-dollar increase per month.
[14:33] That would then be 8972, which is another $6.76 increase, and then 9707 by January 1st.
[14:42] which will be another eight percent, eight percent increase.
[14:46] Here's a comparison to some surrounding utilities.
[14:49] And again, this is not always going to be apples apples.
[14:52] This is exactly what Billy would pay if you use fiber to cubic feet per month
[14:57] and you live in these different areas.
[15:00] We try to make it as comparable as possible, so it does include treatment distribution collection and treatment again.
[15:08] But again, we don't know any increases. These other places might be doing, so this is really there. Current day rates, compare to your current and compare to your projected increase on July 1st.
[15:18] So you can see your kind in the middle tier, slightly above the middle, and you'd roughly stay there for 2024 until I first.
[15:27] So with our recommendations to adopt the recommended water and sewer rates for this July 1st, next January 1st, and then the January 1st after that, and then of course review the rates and charges, the modelist is property of the city, so Magnet staff can review that and kind of put the actual numbers over the budget, kind of see where we fall, things still stand. You're really only a full rates study may be every 3, 4, 5 years. So with that I'll take any questions.
[15:58] So how long have we been working with the next gen and have we worked with any other prior
[16:07] two next gen if we work with somebody else?
[16:11] I'm just wondering about the comprehensive look of what we've done over how many years.
[16:16] So I'm looking a little bit of a history lesson.
[16:18] the first few members who would have been recently,
[16:27] because we had a five-year plan and we initially
[16:29] set up and I think you've been following that and then this is for the last year of that plan,
[16:34] probably not so. Okay, so we're going to pause all the time. At the end of 25, okay, all right.
[16:42] So I saw that we were, it's said, a new debt, just shy of a 20-milk, in new debt, is that what I saw
[16:48] according to the graphs? It's hard to add that the graph size is being able to see it.
[16:57] Yeah, I think it was it was back somewhere around
[17:01] Yeah, right around the fifth slide when we started looking at the new debt volume. It was one of your earlier slides
[17:09] I would just kind of yeah looking at the projects that we have this is the slide
[17:14] So okay
[17:21] Right
[17:27] We get some other projects later, but that primary clarifyer of the primary clarifyer
[17:32] applies to all of us and rests some of those issues from that weather.
[17:37] But it is.
[17:39] And I'm familiar with those here.
[17:41] Oh, yeah.
[17:41] Any time you're dealing with it, you're not talking,
[17:47] it's Eric Scott's prime.
[17:48] Right.
[17:54] The fifth and sixth, the goal point, the fifth and sixth, water main replacement, that we're
[17:58] working in now.
[17:59] That's correct.
[18:00] Is there anything else on there that we're talking about?
[18:02] working on, like, I mean, engaged in or contract award and
[18:06] active construction.
[18:10] The end rope register purpose is a portion of that is on
[18:13] going right now.
[18:15] Right now, we're cleaning out the digesters and
[18:18] add those other things that we're seeing.
[18:29] Friends, second to third one, I have made a place that
[18:32] that is in design and saved right now.
[18:41] Do you move forward a couple slides again,
[18:43] and I think it's one of the first bargrass that had there.
[18:46] Yeah, that's one here, but the proposed revenue
[18:50] with those rated increases, I know, like 26,
[18:54] kind of, maybe help explain kind of what I'm looking at there.
[18:57] It almost looks like we're exceeding the cash
[19:00] on a capital project in the operating expenses.
[19:04] Is that exceed that 180 day operating expenses?
[19:09] So, this is just shown year by year revenues and expenses, so any time you see the line higher
[19:17] than the bar chart, it's technically a surplus or add your cash balance, any time you
[19:21] see the column chart being higher, so like in 24, you can see that green is clearly above
[19:26] both of those lines, so that's where we're using cash, so in the next slide we show the cash
[19:31] now it's dropping because technically we're using retained earnings instead of raising the rates.
[19:36] So those are sharp balls.
[19:39] And that's what we said we've got an issue we can do with now.
[19:42] In 24, I recognize it everywhere.
[19:45] So we got to come in and say, hey, that dark blue line should be at the top of that green,
[19:50] the pallet of them, multi, you know, percentage increase.
[19:54] So we said, hey, we have some cash balance.
[19:55] Let's use some of that, you know, recommendations 180 days.
[19:59] So, you know, that way we're not putting it all right here.
[20:01] So what is the reasoning behind needing a 10% then in that 20, 26 year, where it looks like we may be ahead of that?
[20:11] Well, because we had the shortfall before that, we kind of need a little bit of more cushion to get to 180 days.
[20:16] Because it's a lot of really just breaking even 180 by the end of it.
[20:19] The goal is about the end of that's 20, 26 to meet that 180.
[20:23] We'll work out perfectly. Things are still going to change.
[20:25] We'll look at what's happened last year with inflation and supply chain.
[20:28] are a little bit hard to believe that it would get to yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah
[20:32] but given today the snapshot this I mean everything's built on assumptions right
[20:35] you see I do things like that but that's what it looks like today
[20:39] and what you brought up there we've not erased it on account for
[20:46] the splicing issues in place as though our water splires and precarious
[20:54] So we are now at that point we need to increase our rates to no longer of these access to
[21:01] some of those increases from the large funds.
[21:05] Which goes back to the original principles of not dipping into the general fund?
[21:12] What see the project in Korea?
[21:16] We run a contract in the city to lead a rate.
[21:19] Is this where does this get us at in that contract in relationships that there increases?
[21:24] I'd like to be on 26th of the weekend of the film that we've built in preparation to adjust or accommodate for that.
[21:33] Yes.
[21:33] Did they initially have COVID-19 already know?
[21:38] The city area's largest is one of the members of the Solido Regional Black Commission.
[21:43] When that went into place, there was some large capital group of projects that everyone had to undertake.
[21:52] And one of the parts of that agreement was that it all raised equalized for a strong
[21:58] investor's five years, one point eight.
[22:00] So that set what the rate was going to be for the state of the cell, water wholesale.
[22:08] So it's going to be at that rate equalized, so that's a known.
[22:11] And that's what we had in the adjusted form over it.
[22:14] And we just didn't work here the last two minutes, two minutes, two minutes, two minutes.
[22:19] moving forward, they have projected what their large capital to the private is going to be.
[22:24] Alternative water source, rural water maintenance for you.
[22:30] Water towers throughout the distribution system. As might be mentioned, there could be some catastrophic
[22:37] and it comes up and nobody anticipated the so-so that it would happen on the other side.
[22:41] To all of the members of this mission, send me the reasons.
[22:46] So we work with them at S.E.N.S. body team, right?
[22:49] They are very best to keep those rates low, keep projects at that service, reasonable.
[22:54] But back to the point of the water treatment.
[22:58] I don't always start treating the plant.
[22:59] We're talking about a water treatment plant.
[23:02] That's one of the times it's on the stove.
[23:04] What we have.
[23:05] So much water is happening.
[23:08] We're starting construction.
[23:10] And some of that.
[23:12] One of you checking the one on some of the street.
[23:15] And then there's a horse summit.
[23:17] And they're one up there.
[23:19] It has a mouth.
[23:20] And then there's one of the, in the East Delito too, right?
[23:23] Yes, and this review sort of goes on right now.
[23:26] They have water towers that are going to be up to about $1,000.
[23:30] Yeah, this is maybe a raw watering project is under decided
[23:34] right now.
[23:36] Replacement.
[23:37] Is that a 2025 year contract that we have with severe to the goal?
[23:42] Is that free?
[23:43] Here you remember?
[23:44] We started high 40.
[23:46] I think that's free.
[23:46] It's a 40 year contract.
[23:47] Well, 40 year contract.
[23:48] Yes.
[23:48] Oh, okay.
[23:49] That's the lead.
[23:50] I think the latest information we have is they've given rates out through 2027 and so we
[23:58] count how the rate increase on just the Toledo rates is like 9.4% and 24.8.6% and 25% and 7.9% and 7.9%
[24:10] So, we're going to start getting water to leave out.
[24:16] I can't show you about this.
[24:17] But our question of water to leave is,
[24:19] it's a mental health for solving water disease.
[24:22] So, they have their costs.
[24:25] They have something to ask.
[24:26] That's part of our negotiation now.
[24:32] What is it?
[24:33] What is it?
[24:33] What is it?
[24:33] What is it?
[24:34] What is it?
[24:34] What is it?
[24:34] What is it?
[24:38] What is it?
[24:39] What is it?
[24:41] reasoning by the management.
[24:44] Yeah, or it's met a minimum, that we said met a minimum.
[24:47] Yeah, it's a free hundred key to key is the minimum usage.
[24:51] We have essentially the cost of providing a service.
[24:54] The same way is your electric company chart,
[24:59] you just pretty though, you've been providing service there.
[25:02] So what are you zero, you just 300 gallons,
[25:05] you see the key to key, that's the best your charge.
[25:07] Yeah, that's pretty common.
[25:08] the lot of utilities are actually trying to move more towards more fixed costs because
[25:13] you know, it's used to so variable and most of your cost of fixed, we can't go 100% fixed
[25:17] because I know we could have a conservative and small customers could hit really hard.
[25:22] So you try to have some sort of balance of fixed and then you know variable revenue, we have
[25:26] some clients trying to get to 50% fixed, 50% you have about I think it's about 36% it's from
[25:33] some fixed revenue and then there are many different variables.
[25:38] We're a fresh by memory because I remember this conversation from years ago, there are
[25:43] ways that residents can, let's say, their snowboards and their heading down south.
[25:51] They do have some ways of stopping service for a certain amount of time, correct?
[25:57] And that ends up in the long term, saving them any degree of money.
[26:01] I do when we're at the snowboard example, but all of our office let's say, but we get
[26:08] to pass the available and say that we're in the out the next three months.
[26:12] We shut off the water service and then we are charged.
[26:17] Right.
[26:18] For how we're on the same.
[26:20] That's right.
[26:21] Some places don't do that.
[26:22] They search our minimum.
[26:24] Just say unless you pull a meter.
[26:26] And that's what I mean.
[26:32] I know I mentioned to you the other day when you can't pass it.
[26:36] I know, not a city, it's lead to I think you're raw-free.
[26:40] There's either discount or there was something for like low-income residents and things like that.
[26:48] I just kind of, I guess my initial question was like, are the
[26:54] other, are the rate pairs?
[26:56] Are they subsidizing that or do we know that funding is coming from?
[26:59] I guess for that, I know the answer to that.
[27:07] Whether it's coming from your general fund,
[27:08] or subsidize your general fund,
[27:11] offset what those costs would be.
[27:13] They're not.
[27:17] Harry's work,
[27:18] explaining to mommy,
[27:20] it is that we all have,
[27:21] based on what are some of your national leaders
[27:24] from the usage that we hold from that.
[27:27] What's the leader of those with that?
[27:30] You know that?
[27:31] I don't have any control of that.
[27:35] I understand that I just know in our community there may be, I don't know if there's
[27:41] a grant program or something out there or something that, I just available if we have any
[27:46] one come family here in the city as well as and we have a lot of people on fixed income as
[27:51] well.
[27:53] That's kind of my main concern, I mean 21 dollars a month, you know, one figure you give me
[27:59] That's 26, may spread that out over the course of the year, I guess it's one that I'm
[28:07] kind of concerned about, too, as I was made in fact, people like fixing, I know the state
[28:11] has like the homestead, what is it, the homestead exemption act, right, for like the
[28:18] tyries.
[28:20] It would just be interesting to see if Toledo is in on something, if we are truly part of
[28:24] region, and we're taking part in something like that.
[28:28] They're getting great money.
[28:30] Our work looks.
[28:31] I'd rather not.
[28:32] Our rate payers not be subsidizing.
[28:36] It's legal.
[28:39] They're whatever program they had set up.
[28:41] But if something that we could participate in, collectively,
[28:44] and maybe a seven of the money there is a number of organizations
[28:51] that can assist great paper up until it appears.
[28:56] You need one of them.
[28:58] What is it?
[28:59] You need help.
[29:00] You need help.
[29:02] There's several of their non-profit organizations that are out there that we reached out
[29:07] to establish relationships with.
[29:10] That led to a resident calls.
[29:13] With concern.
[29:14] Or issue.
[29:15] If in the course of these non-profits they can.
[29:19] problem number they like.
[29:22] Salvation Army is one of those just several churches that are, and this is one.
[29:27] I'm just going to go into the Salvation Army.
[29:30] Okay. Okay.
[29:31] This is a way for residents and customers to volunteer and pay more and utility payments.
[29:40] And go into this need and help program that's in the Institute of Salvation Army.
[29:44] So in that case, the customer would contact utility officers.
[29:49] to lead off the recruitment touch with the salvation army and see what they can do to address the
[29:58] It's a program that you need to do.
[30:07] It's good to know. So I know with this going up and it almost seemed inevitable. We have to, we're going to have to do. People are going to be happy and this is one of those things. You're just not going to make people happy.
[30:24] cost of things goes up but the minute somebody has to have clean water in a way to get
[30:32] room their sewage you never hear the end of that so but I just I'm trying to be
[30:39] considered of some people as a skit. It may shock some of those may I this isn't
[30:43] going to be a big deal for myself but I know there's people out there that have
[30:47] potentially having come issues right where that will feel as we engage it to make
[30:55] and have options, right?
[30:58] That may be something too for maybe our PIO to be ready to get that information out.
[31:06] We want to present this to you at the next public tellies in the Indian
[31:09] Plan of Legislation, for a tower, or to go get beaten, for a few same presentation.
[31:18] It's for a while, or it's just that it would be for a session of life.
[31:21] We, you know, legislation is pretty much, but we hope it then will be in the next three
[31:27] weeks after that. That is May, to raise the name on June, to have this in fact, July 1st.
[31:36] Thank you for being consider on the timeline. It's just something that
[31:40] give you ample time for people to get informed, contribute if they have any suggestions
[31:46] us to make our decisions and counsel and ask questions. If there's a possibility
[31:52] because this may be beneficial for especially carried out being here, it gets a
[31:56] slideshow I don't know if we can get that out of it. At least get it sent to her as well
[32:00] and so she can start to proud for her next month's meeting.
[32:07] All right.
[32:11] No, it was common, I just didn't know.
[32:16] We might need an answer.
[32:17] So, for what's worth
[32:22] getting good loss of projects around trying to find the most effective.
[32:32] The things are purchasing what they're kind of the purchase of equipment.
[32:36] If we have the opportunity to make the purchase sooner and sooner and sooner and sooner,
[32:39] that's part of a purchase of the factor, for example, in a bunch of your services.
[32:46] Of course, you use some of our capital projects out.
[32:48] That's the sort of thing you have to do.
[32:53] Of course, we'd like to replace this one of these,
[32:56] a brief, a different orange one.
[32:58] And we're going to replace the project one right now.
[33:01] Our goal is that we're going to be there.
[33:03] And that's just that sustainable.
[33:05] We're going to use rates with the cost of materials.
[33:10] It's crazy.
[33:11] So in your opinion,
[33:14] does my shifting things around that sounds
[33:18] like deferring certain projects until later point
[33:21] is that do you feel like that puts us behind to some degree, or maybe puts us, you know,
[33:28] we're pushing this back, then we might need to come with something bigger in the future.
[33:36] Do you see any projects that specifically come to mind?
[33:40] Well, there's a half key in the wants.
[33:43] The want to go on the water side, the want to, for example, these sole orange cast
[33:50] out of supply throughout the city.
[33:53] When it comes to guided fighters and you see it once in a pressure, it makes it a
[33:58] more difficult.
[33:58] You have a smaller type of person A, which you can see, plus a type of person for the group.
[34:02] Those who are want to, the have to, those who come in not the pipe thing.
[34:07] that we're in the whole bit later.
[34:09] That's from on R, E, F, O, R, E, E, E, E, E, E, E.
[34:13] You don't know what that's like to be.
[34:15] And then it's going to be a big thing that I don't know.
[34:18] Or they are just scheduled established in June of 2026.
[34:22] That's right, Seth.
[34:24] On the Santerasite, Heart of Hearts of Class,
[34:26] they're just your clunkers.
[34:30] So those, that, see what I was saying,
[34:31] remember, are the happy projects?
[34:33] Right.
[34:35] I know we kind of just briefly mentioned them
[34:39] past my looking at potential storm.
[34:45] You tell me, okay, and I know I didn't see that in here.
[34:49] We're not taking, I guess timeline one might be, maybe get a good look at that or is that?
[34:56] And that's part of our question of phase.
[34:59] We're going to have a presentation.
[35:02] We'll be for that in the May.
[35:08] We have
[35:14] progress that we deal with with
[35:23] these projects.
[35:24] What that
[35:29] is.
[35:29] It's a service that I'll pay it with.
[35:32] That's the one to do that.
[35:33] Because these projects that we can't write here,
[35:35] these are all water, distribution, and sensory
[35:37] superclutch environments.
[35:39] You don't really really want to take sanitary sewer bonds in a 5-in-4 state enough of the
[35:46] pitch.
[35:48] That those are sewer bonds.
[35:49] That those are sewer bonds.
[35:50] That's what's really cool.
[35:50] So sanitary sewer collection funds.
[35:53] We do have a lot of stormwater issues.
[35:55] to take away on the tree streets south of the south
[36:05] of the
[36:31] have to, is the Naval Academy a little bit better than me. I love your sake, tremendous.
[36:36] Yeah.
[36:37] We have our own store artists who can be a title for me.
[36:40] Oh, yeah.
[36:40] That's in the right downtown.
[36:41] Not in the terrain.
[36:42] It's still a great set.
[36:51] Thank you.
[36:54] All right, we have a item that was in our packet, not on the agenda.
[36:59] I make sure we include that today.
[37:07] Yes,
[37:10] it's a resolution, a maning resolution 107, 2022, and authorizing it, a change order to the agreement with
[37:18] Senator or Central LLC for House Island Management Services and declaring emergency to do so.
[37:25] What's going on right now is a ball reading through it.
[37:28] Whereas it is necessary for the city of Paris.
[37:30] To properly dispose of bio-solid sludge at the wastewater treatment plant throughout the course of the year, and to maintain the ability to effectively operate the plant, whereas December 20th of 2022, the City of Parisburg Pass Resolution 107-2022 authorizing the mayor and the director of finance to enter into a three-year agreement with Cinegrot for a mouth-seller management and services at the wastewater plant, and due to, and whereas due to digest or maintenance, the city has need to update the agreement with Cinegrot.
[38:00] allow for tipping fees at landfill to be passed through the service provider to the city
[38:06] of Parisburg at a direct plus 5% markup.
[38:13] So what is going on is right now we're cleaning up our digesters.
[38:19] That's a plant is a anaerobic digestion plan and part of the maintenance that should be
[38:24] done on dollars just as you clean them out periodically.
[38:26] these registers have been cleaned out quite some time. So the process of cleaning these out
[38:32] are our large secondary digestor, digester number two, digester number one, had
[38:39] falling issues and had to be taken out of operation. So as we were cleaning out these
[38:44] digestors, this material would be landfilled anyway. This is nothing you would spread on
[38:47] the field of farm fields. So because we don't have the ability for the digestion process,
[38:56] the
[38:58] Press our raw sledge, grab your thick and sledge, and send that to the landfill while the other stuff that was being landfilled anyway.
[39:08] Our contract did not allow for a tipping fee to be passed through from the hauler to us.
[39:18] So that's what this amendment is for.
[39:19] So we had the cost of the trucking to get the material there.
[39:23] We have an escalator for the year, but again, no mechanism for payment of that tipping fee.
[39:32] What that tipping fee will be depends on the landfill, that their cost change we have no
[39:36] control over that.
[39:37] But it is something that we are in any way, right now it's part of the Nitrocleaning Project.
[39:41] We're just adding this additional raw into the mix.
[39:49] Do we understand how the landfill ends up, do they annually, re-figure a sort of percentage
[39:58] consistently or inconsistently do we have any idea that could be coming back even next year
[40:05] that it ended up changing?
[40:08] They do increase.
[40:10] By what their mechanism is for you to talk to the end of the increase.
[40:14] I do that.
[40:14] Not sure.
[40:16] They do tend to limit the amount of loads that they'll take, so that's a factor in this as well.
[40:23] We can, for example, perhaps we can only take two loads per day to the landfill and then we're strapped and then we just have to wait.
[40:32] So that's more of a waiting game, but they're not going to adjust their rates.
[40:37] We're involved with a bottle on a bottle basis.
[40:39] Okay. I think that's the question.
[40:47] The question is on that.
[40:50] Leader.
[40:51] Move that forward to zero.
[40:53] Here.
[40:56] Yeah.
[40:57] We're going to.
[40:59] Compensation.
[41:00] Notification.
[41:01] All right.
[41:03] This is a resolution.
[41:05] Resolution authorizing and directing the mayor and director finance to enter into an agreement
[41:09] with Jones and Henry Limited for sanitary sewer pump station assessment services
[41:13] And it costs not to exceed $100,000, and we're going to see to do so, whereas the city
[41:19] appears we're seeking to form assessment of the city sanitary sewer pump stations, and
[41:24] whereas the city's engineer requested and received pre-qualification statements from cell
[41:30] engineering firms for such work, Johnson Henry, submitted pre-qualification statement for
[41:34] the project, and has an necessary personnel equipment expertise and experience to inspect
[41:40] And by with the city's sanitary sewer pump stations, total cost of the project is expected to be $100,000.
[41:51] And the reason for this, we're doing this project, is our pump stations throughout the city.
[41:56] We have 11 pump stations right now. We're going to be eliminating one-out by Brookhaven shortly.
[42:02] These pump stations are all in the neighborhood of 20 years old.
[42:08] That's the life of these pump stations that are mechanical devices.
[42:11] They wear out, but to what degree they're worn out, mechanically, electrically, we don't
[42:18] do not know.
[42:19] And that's what Jones and Henry Lee is going to help us figure out.
[42:22] Each of these pump stations is going to require some kind of a grade, whether it's brand new
[42:26] pumps, maybe even brand new electrical systems.
[42:29] We don't know what that is, and that's what they're going to help us return.
[42:40] We have a continuing engineering services agreement with Jones and Henry, this would be task
[42:43] Number three, with that agreement.
[43:02] In this, is there any idea how long it will take?
[43:07] Or for the evaluation?
[43:10] Complete before the end of this year would be our goal.
[43:16] We could not do any improvements.
[43:17] We don't have the budgeted for this year.
[43:19] Those who once they give this evaluation completed to us,
[43:24] we would incorporate those next year's cost.
[43:28] Some will be minor, some might be major,
[43:30] a complete redo of some of our pulsations might be in order.
[43:34] And this is something that was planned for the result of the budget.
[43:38] This project, yes.
[43:42] The actual cost for a placement, so that's not there.
[43:45] That's something we do again in 2020.
[43:47] Do they give, I would assume that they would any kind of an evaluation as to sense of urgency,
[43:55] depending on what they see hierarchy of needs to be addressed with them.
[44:00] next year to your so forth. Is that a part of their analysis?
[44:04] It would be. Our crews are doing a tremendous job of maintaining these, but there's
[44:08] only so much maintenance that can continue. What you don't want to end up with is
[44:14] run on one pump. Most of our stations are do what we call do-plats or two pumps, station
[44:18] somewhere three, but if you're down to one pump, you are really taking a gamble. If that fails,
[44:26] you end up with basement backups, but our cruise has done a tremendous job of maintaining
[44:34] the wet wells, the pulsations themselves, but at some point they are going to require some additional
[44:43] maintenance outside of what we do already,
[44:47] so they will give us a priority list of what our
[44:53] We're going to work as pump stations.
[44:55] Coupled with this is it wills into what kind of...
[45:03] That's when we get a rain storm, and that rain water is getting the centre, so are we just not supposed to, causing those pumps to run longer, faster, harder than they would normally.
[45:14] As we are able to remove that rain water, slowly, that is less than impact on those stations.
[45:21] That's the long, long-range approach that we want to look at with this project too.
[45:31] And if you're still wants to reclaim black swap.
[45:34] That can't.
[45:39] I don't think I have any other questions on that.
[45:42] I'm just going to mention one thing.
[45:43] I feel like it's a question.
[45:45] I don't just probably isn't really for you.
[45:47] I haven't figured it out.
[45:48] I just feel like all the committee members.
[45:52] We tend to, that's just this committee.
[45:55] But every council member seemed to always ask if it was budget.
[45:58] I had a my thought at one point in time when we had the legislative summaries.
[46:01] summaries that had the budget line item in there, or where was that item? Okay. I don't know
[46:07] just something that maybe I'm probably always going to ask a question. I will include that
[46:13] future. If just, I'm just about for your sake say some time. Because I know you talked to Amber
[46:19] who both cases or any other firmly to talk to. Remember running through there typically and it just
[46:26] I also, I think, understand to a case or, like, you might have been here riding kind of a dress
[46:32] that we're a couple of things that were changed and have been changed.
[46:35] I think you're just helps us.
[46:37] We're kind of probably going to get you on.
[46:39] Okay. Well, I don't feel that important.
[46:42] Thank you. Appreciate it.
[46:44] I don't have any other questions.
[46:46] Thank you.
[46:46] No.
[46:48] So I moved forward to zero.
[46:52] Okay.
[46:53] This was at just to keep you informed of the personal committee, it was presented that we
[46:58] were requesting two new positions as the title as utility supervisors.
[47:06] These two positions that will be working underneath our field operation superintendent, Brian
[47:10] Holker.
[47:12] The city of Parisburg is growing since the 1950s, every decade has grown over 20% and there's
[47:19] no sign that it's going to slow down.
[47:20] So, as the city grows, it's system, it's infrastructure grows.
[47:25] And our ability to maintain that and stay on top of that system, and with every year
[47:30] that system is aging, is being taxed.
[47:33] I'll EPA, rightly so, is telling us that we need, and every other system, that you need
[47:42] to document how you're maintaining your system, and that's a lot of work, and that's more
[47:47] than just one single individual can do, and that's part of what these two individuals
[47:54] would be doing right home or helping that documentation of the day-to-day maintenance
[48:00] of the system and inspection of the system.
[48:05] As the city grows, it requires new taps.
[48:08] We have, as was mentioned, about 1% growth per year.
[48:12] What that translates to is between 110, 120 new taps per year.
[48:16] Those tats require a crew of four, sometimes five individuals depending on the complexity of the tap.
[48:25] And that scheduling requires contacting highly utility's protection agency,
[48:32] according with developers, coordinate with contractors.
[48:34] That's a lot to have on one person.
[48:36] These individuals will help Ryan with that.
[48:40] So that's on the supply side, on the collection side.
[48:42] that each one of those new facilities has, or new houses, has a sanitary ladder, all
[48:48] of the things to be inspired to make sure that it's being constructed to city spec.
[48:52] Prior to time as well, coordination, also following up on, with construction with maintenance,
[48:58] bonding, coordination with the developers on that.
[49:00] That's a lot for one person to do, and that's just for talking about new growth.
[49:05] As I mentioned, the city is aging, therefore, the infrastructure is aging, and this means
[49:10] more repairs are required. As we get out into the system and start doing the inspections that we are required to do, we're going to find out.
[49:17] While we have a lot of degrading mammals that are falling apart, that are missing, that are buried,
[49:25] that are required to work in effort to locate those and bring them up to grade or bring them up to stuff,
[49:31] according to what these utility supervisors would be doing, cleaning the sewers as well.
[49:37] That is requirement to have your sewers cleaned.
[49:40] The goal is to have about 20% of the clean per year.
[49:43] Having a crew dedicated every day would be ideal if we could do that.
[49:49] You need somebody managing that documenting all that cleanness in the place.
[49:55] And then also, I think it's, if we look at succession planning, it's important to give
[50:04] our staff the idea that there's a ability for upward growth in their careers with the
[50:09] city. You can come in in one department and if you get the certifications and put in the
[50:14] time, you can work your way up into one of these supervisor positions right now. We have about
[50:22] This would allow them to move up, as I mentioned, Brian Homer was in charge of us.
[50:28] He is an outstanding individual problem, the best hires I've ever done, but he's at the tail of his career.
[50:34] So we need to plan for that, and it's a few years out of place a lot longer.
[50:40] But, you know, he earned his time off, so we have to make sure that we're not going to fall off a cliff when he decides to hang it up.
[50:49] So, these two positions would be training everything as well, and they themselves would be training new folks that come into the utility group.
[50:59] So, I think it's important.
[51:03] And that aspect to help give our current employees that an idea that there is a path for growth within the city.
[51:11] But he's in addition to doing, I thought we had, was there two supervisors that I don't
[51:18] know if we formally approved that?
[51:20] This is still the same tour that we just recently had, following in the past six months
[51:24] we either added or talked about it, we might have talked about it, so this is the official
[51:31] presentation of that, was that public, excuse me, at personnel last night for the formal,
[51:37] That was going to be a very nice question too.
[51:39] Personnels.
[51:44] Yeah.
[51:44] Well, I knew it was coming.
[51:45] I think one of the things I've mentioned, and it sounds like they're going to be not part of the bargaining unit.
[51:51] That's correct.
[51:53] Individuals.
[51:53] They're super buzzers.
[51:55] Yeah.
[51:55] So, we're having bargaining unit.
[51:58] Super buzzing out of the bargaining unit.
[52:01] That's maybe not sub.
[52:03] But that's.
[52:05] But on some industries, you do have,
[52:08] You do have the same working format and working, whether technically management, super-visory
[52:15] manager, that's the support of the bargaining unit, that's it to that is what things
[52:19] do slow down if they make a cut and somebody has some cool tools on her to help out her
[52:25] see his breath in, I just, some for consideration of the future of that.
[52:30] I don't know how their CDAs are set up with your hourly employees, but just something to consider that, you know, that supervisor was able to also be, they're part of the bargaining unit and can perform some of the duties, the department ever needs it.
[52:46] That was actually how we originally were looking at this.
[52:49] as we got into a lot of the details and what their compensation would be involved into being in a marketing
[52:57] position.
[52:58] It would be in that pay-man-the-day of it, it would be eligible for overtime and, again,
[53:10] given the opportunity to high-quality staff, have them give them the chance to move up
[53:17] in their careers.
[53:17] And just to clarify because I think I'm hearing you correct, but I want to make sure so you're talking about not only the positions, but also people.
[53:26] So in other words, if you have to, you know, we're all, you have two supervisors.
[53:30] You would say we're creating two more supervisors positions.
[53:33] And now we're going to 17 or all personnel.
[53:36] So in other words, it would be an additional to interact to their payroll.
[53:41] Okay.
[53:41] I just wanted to make sure it just wasn't still within, let's say, 15 and shifting.
[53:46] Okay, I just wanted to make sure we're planning to grow on the market.
[53:50] Correct.
[53:50] Yes, I would prefer to grow it from within and bring some younger staff or less experienced
[53:57] staff in and train them up and promote them from within.
[54:01] If that happens, that's great if it doesn't, well, we'll make do and hopefully get some good
[54:05] candidates.
[54:09] Thank you.
[54:09] Thank you.
[54:11] Thank you.
[54:11] Thank you.
[54:11] Thank you.
[54:13] which is brought to us to just her, keep you in this boat here.
[54:20] Thank you.
[54:21] We're on to the update on the DFF boat.
[54:24] All right.
[54:27] Go through this real quick.
[54:30] This is the project that's going to be doing a physical survey
[54:36] of our sanitary sewer system and what our needs are.
[54:41] It is a part of the DFFO, that's the director's final findings in orders, and we have requested
[54:50] from our case a proposal to complete tasks, and what we will have, from this, is in June
[54:59] of 2025.
[55:00] We have the HSS completed, the HSS involved with this are the actual project management,
[55:07] we have already, the city has certainly
[55:11] doesn't have the very best of records,
[55:13] but we will, with their help,
[55:15] be put in compiling a better catalog of our records.
[55:20] And both this will be smoke testing,
[55:22] where we'll be pumping smoke into the sewers,
[55:24] to find out where we have cracks,
[55:25] leaks, where clean water's getting,
[55:27] where smoke comes out, that's where clean water gets in.
[55:30] We will be coupling with this output
[55:34] from the flow model that we have and find areas where we do know that we have an intense or higher
[55:42] level of inflow infiltration coming in in a particular sewer shed. We'll get down to a more
[55:49] granular level and find out where exactly within that particular sewer shed the clean water is
[55:55] in. And then additional investigations is needed. That would be CCTV work. Basement to Household
[56:04] Inspections where we're looking to see if there are some pumps that are green-footed
[56:09] cows that are connected to the sanitary sewers. Doing dye testing at various points in our
[56:15] system, and then doing walks along, those areas where that are overgrown in our system
[56:26] right now, there could be parts of the system, where trees have grown up over the years,
[56:31] over 30, 40, 50 years, where mammals are buried and we're not sure of the condition, so
[56:37] are going to help us get an evaluation of the physical condition of those of that infrastructure.
[56:46] So that is projected to start this spring and be wrapped up by June of next year.
[56:55] That will then pick off our SSO elimination plan, and that is the plan that will be due
[57:05] in June of 26 that will set our projects,
[57:11] scopes for the next, again, 15 or 20 years.
[57:13] Those are going to be the big ticket items.
[57:15] And we have some idea of what those are going to be,
[57:17] but we don't want to steer it that way.
[57:20] Just shut.
[57:24] And that's the update for that.
[57:25] That's something we'll actually add a bit for our department,
[57:29] we're probably utilities.
[57:29] that this is a big step towards the SSS population.
[57:37] Hopefully we've got some good freeings at the flow moderators here recently.
[57:42] For example, working on the final components of that, the right weather flow.
[57:49] They have some interesting data.
[57:51] Whenever you're doing these models, and I'm not a modeling expert,
[57:56] But whenever you're doing these, when models, when you're getting flow model or actual flow
[58:02] data that doesn't drive with what your model predicts, that tells you a lot of you
[58:09] to focus in them, because something's happening, that is an in-the-plans that isn't predicted
[58:17] mathematically, so there's something physically that's going on, and that might be there's
[58:21] a catch base and that's connected to or there is a stream getting into the sewer that
[58:27] reaches a certain level.
[58:29] So these are the things that they're working through right now.
[58:32] And what I mentioned behind intensity areas, those are the areas that they'll be identifying
[58:36] as well.
[58:38] We're up in the model.
[58:41] We're on to the excavation verification.
[58:48] Yes.
[58:48] This is a resolution ratifying certain work performed by a poll excavating and authorizing payment in the amount not to exceed 26,757 dollars and 50 cents into clearing emergency to do so on February 16th of 2024, the public utilities department had a break in a 24 inch warming and rental down state route 25.
[59:14] I slated the leak, utilities personnel determine that the
[59:17] excavation required was beyond the city's internal capabilities.
[59:20] Our excavators can only dig down so deep to dig down that depth you also need to
[59:25] shore up the excavation safely.
[59:28] We don't have the equipment to do that.
[59:30] So we had to call in on how excavation to help us out.
[59:32] They've helped us out for similar projects or problems in the past that are beyond our staff's
[59:36] capability, either from experience standpoint or equipment standpoint.
[59:40] So what we had here was a blowout on a 24-inch main.
[59:44] That's a for the city of Periserord.
[59:46] That's about as big as it gets.
[59:49] And being able to control that and get that water.
[59:53] Again, under control.
[59:56] That's vitally important.
[59:57] So how stepped in.
[1:00:00] The cost was beyond what we can just do without city council approval. So that's essentially what this resolution is for this form, for approval of payment.
[1:00:12] What this does show, and as we've got into our system, we found that a lot of large diameter mains constructed in the early 90s are having similar problems.
[1:00:25] I don't know why, but we've had failure on a 60-inch main in town here and another 24-inch
[1:00:34] that feeds the ocean water tower.
[1:00:37] So we've had looking at what kind of commonality, what these planes have in common, so
[1:00:45] of our age and size, so maybe it's a coincidence, it does seem like there's something there.
[1:00:54] So, we're looking at that closer and we think that we have some issues where we are losing
[1:01:00] water.
[1:01:01] This is water that we've already paid for.
[1:01:04] When we've done some in town, leak detection, we've found quite a few, around 10 leaks
[1:01:12] and repaired so far.
[1:01:13] I just didn't back the envelope calculations and so far, that's say the city, about $110,000.
[1:01:20] And why are the costs that were literally going down the drain?
[1:01:23] So that equipment is ready for itself.
[1:01:25] It helped locate one of these leaks on a larger main.
[1:01:29] But if it's there, I think that we have an opportunity for larger problems or additional
[1:01:36] problems that we have in identified yet.
[1:01:38] These are 10, these send to be deeper in large trenches when you do have a leak that appears
[1:01:43] and it doesn't pertake up to the top.
[1:01:45] It gets away into the gravel, the trench, and you really don't see it.
[1:01:51] So, uh, but back to this, I'll ask a nation to help us out and we're looking for a city
[1:01:57] of the same, right?
[1:01:58] The younger, the younger, the younger, the younger, the more questions on that, get them
[1:02:02] paid.
[1:02:03] The neither were with that forward to, uh, to zero.
[1:02:08] And at the end of the time, I could wrap it up, uh, wanted to give you a project update
[1:02:12] that we can mount that to next time.
[1:02:14] We do have, uh, just in general, a water, a main project being constructed on the alleyways
[1:02:19] between 5th and 6th Street right now.
[1:02:21] There's a northern section in the south of section.
[1:02:25] We have had some residents or put out, really, because of this,
[1:02:36] because while this is being constructed in the other ways,
[1:02:38] they're having for a while to bring their garbage to the front
[1:02:45] of the street and having access to the garage as difficult.
[1:02:48] So it's a change, it's temporary, but because these water rains are in the alleyway, it's really the only way we can do it.
[1:02:54] We went with a different construction method to help accelerate the construction process.
[1:03:00] It was planned in November, right now we're hoping for the end of July.
[1:03:06] There's issues that have cropped up doing what we're doing.
[1:03:09] We're doing a trenches method for significant portion of it.
[1:03:12] So you're kind of across your fingers as you're going through, but we have a very good
[1:03:17] directional trigger working for us on the project and so far there've been issues but nothing
[1:03:25] catastrophic thank goodness. How can we've been doing as I know we've had some
[1:03:31] ask for some of the residents. I don't know if we're failing to communicate or if we
[1:03:38] you do a better job or if it's a contractor job and communicating just some of the
[1:03:41] access. Well, when you mention garbage but also their access to their garages and
[1:03:45] to that. Just some, I know those things are always tough, coordination and stuff, but just
[1:03:52] information for them for planning and things like that.
[1:03:54] Sure. Right. Yeah. And I feel folks, I mean, any kind of disruptions bad. And again,
[1:04:01] in some cases, there's nothing we could do. In this case, what we did was we mail, we had a complete
[1:04:07] roster of everyone that's going to be affected. We mail letters to everybody on that roster,
[1:04:11] verified that people had called in with complaints that they did receive a letter.
[1:04:18] The contractor is also hanging door hangers on head of schedule, but there's always an opportunity to approve.
[1:04:25] And that's one of the tough things to figure out.
[1:04:27] How do you do this?
[1:04:28] Because a letter comes in 95% of what we receive is junk mail.
[1:04:34] So very often people just want to pay attention to it.
[1:04:36] I do a hangers in your door.
[1:04:37] Or if you even use your front door, it's blown off, it's blown off, right.
[1:04:44] Some people don't use, read the newspaper, some people don't use social media.
[1:04:48] We have it listed on the city's website, some people don't even know that that's something
[1:04:50] that's available.
[1:04:52] So it is a tough amount to crack and we're trying.
[1:04:54] One thing that we've been kicking around is, an opt-in, when a resident, a new resident
[1:05:02] comes into signing for service, would you like to receive updates for what's going
[1:05:07] Now, if you've ever done one of those, you get blasted with everything and pretty soon
[1:05:11] you're, it's actually a junk mail to you, but just one other way we might figure this out.
[1:05:20] I think, you know, Becky, you'd kind of mention something to the other day.
[1:05:24] Is there anything else to linger in out there that we might be able to address?
[1:05:27] No, I think that's the answer.
[1:05:29] Okay.
[1:05:29] There was a number of questions.
[1:05:31] I don't have a clock.
[1:05:36] So there was a number of questions on the clock.
[1:05:41] So I was trying to get information to the press.
[1:05:44] Well, I think that we have to fit into people closely
[1:05:47] all of the people who have been gathered right away on that.
[1:06:02] This will think again, as I said, that's not the boring thing.
[1:06:10] So I call them to just point out that
[1:06:14] the ground
[1:06:15] or the poles, the poles that are posted at the end,
[1:06:19] and they have no idea what this project is or how to do it.
[1:06:23] Because that's how to write it.
[1:06:25] It's a
[1:06:29] project that you can get into, and it's a project that you can do this here.
[1:06:34] It's a layer of the depth.
[1:06:35] What's interesting.
[1:06:44] Yes.
[1:06:45] Well, right.
[1:06:45] It's for the beginning of the issue.
[1:06:50] I think that's right.
[1:06:56] Any way they get it all up.
[1:06:58] Right.
[1:06:58] Right.
[1:06:59] Right.
[1:06:59] Right.
[1:06:59] So you said it's right.
[1:07:01] Yeah.
[1:07:13] The difference there is the open method that we had originally planned.
[1:07:17] Right.
[1:07:17] Whatever would it take them to the back end of member.
[1:07:20] Right.
[1:07:21] By using the Trenchless method, Trenchless.
[1:07:23] really, really short enough at three months, four months.
[1:07:28] Yeah.
[1:07:45] Thank you.
[1:07:49] Thank you for bringing that up. That's another project that we have going on right now.
[1:07:52] So we can hear his bird and show the bird eye.
[1:07:56] This is a bit out of five or four hundred and seventy eight homes
[1:08:00] that just based on the age and which they're constructed.
[1:08:03] Because that's in the criteria we really have.
[1:08:05] That they may have lead services.
[1:08:09] And there's an additional, approximately 400,
[1:08:11] they're not going to be part of that program.
[1:08:12] We'll be part of the program we're at at a five.
[1:08:16] What kind of a terror is on the service side,
[1:08:19] what is on the home or side?
[1:08:21] And this is the start of a project that's going to tell October of 2037.
[1:08:28] And the reason I know that is because I'm retiring October.
[1:08:31] It's 2037.
[1:08:33] It's always, yeah.
[1:08:36] But yes, that's another project that's going on.
[1:08:39] It's going to be disruption.
[1:08:41] The way that they would be identifying the material is hydro-excalating on either side of the curve,
[1:08:48] stuff, that's the shut-up, and I'll have some cases that's in law, and in other cases,
[1:08:53] it's in the case. So some go quicker, some go slower, some go prior to a lot of risk
[1:08:57] from others. And then we also look at, it's involved in homeowners, what kind of materials
[1:09:04] coming inside your house. So there's going to be actually some involvement there. That's
[1:09:08] not going to be up here, I don't know if you're going to be able to divide this into three
[1:09:16] You know, I was curious, you know, I was curious, you know, I was curious, you know, I was just very next to your club.
[1:09:22] And it was me, you know, that's what it was, you did not write, but it's part of it.
[1:09:27] Property point.
[1:09:28] But it's, yeah.
[1:09:29] So if that's case, you just try to put that in the DSM into it.
[1:09:32] But he thinks that that's possible without a basis.
[1:09:35] If we're supposed to do it, we find out what we need to do it.
[1:09:38] So it doesn't mean I think it's a thing to press.
[1:09:42] So I think it's hard to do that to me.
[1:09:45] It's a nice thing, right?
[1:09:46] It's not much much of a goal.
[1:09:48] So thank you, Mr. Sam.
[1:09:52] And I think a title for the big thing on this thing.
[1:09:58] But when I asked him about that,
[1:10:00] I really didn't have it.
[1:10:01] He asked me to stop, so I can start to work on this.
[1:10:04] I didn't have it.
[1:10:05] I didn't have it.
[1:10:05] I didn't have it.
[1:10:05] Or I didn't have it.
[1:10:07] There are a bunch of stuff.
[1:10:08] And I just wanted to excuse him, kind of like,
[1:10:11] You did forward Kevin's personal self-content.
[1:10:15] I should have given that I'm quite free.
[1:10:17] I don't mind what I'm writing.
[1:10:18] I just don't give it back.
[1:10:22] I'm kidding.
[1:10:25] But thank you for your work.
[1:10:30] Thank you for your work.
[1:10:31] Thank you for your work.
[1:10:32] Thank you for your work.
[1:10:32] Thank you for your work.
[1:10:35] Anything further?
[1:10:37] No.
[1:10:37] business and we will adjourn.