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Mayor at 6.45, so if you're ready right now, I'll start the webinar. Okay, thank you. We're ready to begin.

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Good evening, and welcome to the City of Petaluma regular meeting of the City Council and the Petaluma Community Development Successor Agency. Can we have the roll call, please? Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here. Here.

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here McDonald here Miller here all members are present thank you so now we

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will do the Pledge of Allegiance so ready begin I pledge

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of the United States of America and to the Republic for which we have one nation, under God.

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Indivisible.

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Indivisible.

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It's liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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And now we'll have a moment of silence.

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And I'd like this moment of silence to be in memory of Dina Ingris and Leo Geridelli.

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Thank

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you. So agenda changes and deletions to the current agenda. We are going to move public hearing items

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in front of public hearing items 6A. It just seems that it would be a better use of staff time

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and the flow would be easier for us. And because of the nature of 6B we will be taking

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us a short recess after six feet but before we make our decisions. So we'll get to that at six feet.

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So if there's no opposition to that we will move on to proclamations. So this evening we have a

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number of proclamations three and I'm going to start with the first for Matt Brown and I can't see

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whether or not Matt Brown is in the audience or not but he

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is okay fine thank you very much for that

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and so the city of Petaluma is honoring Matt Brown the former editor of the Argus Courier.

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Whereas Matt Brown served as the editor for the Petaluma Argus Courier from 2015 to 2020

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following Emily Sharia's ascension to publisher of our local newspaper. Under his leadership, Matt led the paper to four first place wins for general excellence.

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The highest honor a newspaper can achieve at the California Journalism Awards. He transcended his role as editor and overseeing all the newspapers coverage, but also personally covered the path to dredging the river.

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the 101 expansion, the controversy at the animal shelter, and the smart development.

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And whereas Matt Brown earned a master's degree in communications from San Jose State University,

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and spent 10 years living and working in various countries in Africa as a Peace Corps volunteer,

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as a foreign correspondent for Time Magazine, and the Associated Press,

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covering war zones and as a human rights advocate,

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blogging for the enough project to end genociding crimes

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against humanity and covering celebrities for the cause,

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including working alongside George Clooney.

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And whereas, prior to joining the Argus career,

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Matt was a reporter with the press Democrat,

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covering transportation, the city of Runner Park,

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and the great resort and casino, and previously worked as a freelance reporter for the

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Argus career, where he homes his knowledge of cuteloma and strived to provide the community

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with balanced news. And whereas Matt Brown is a tried and true cuteloma, along with his wife,

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a county social worker, and two children. And whereas Matt Brown is a licensed skydiver with more

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than 250 jumps under his belt, who also enjoys rock climbing and hiking, and had he not

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gone into journalism and communications, he aspired to become an astronaut.

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and whereas Matt Brown's talents as a reporter

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Our writer and editor have been noticed by county of Sonoma, where he will be serving as a communications specialist in the county administrator's office, and providing invaluable guidance on how to demystify local government, provide timely, important and helpful information to the community, and engage our residents in the democratic process. As a petalwoman, we are hopeful that Matt will stay connected to our city

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and continue to provide his perspective and key insights as a resident and now county-wide spokesperson.

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And now therefore be it resolved that I to be severity mayor of Petaluma,

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along with the members of the City Council, do hereby command Matt for his tireless work and commitment

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to ensuring Petaluma stay informed and engage on local issues affecting them

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and wish him the very best in his career

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at the county of Sonoma.

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So now Matt would you like to say a few words?

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Can you hear me?

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Yes.

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That Mayor Varrett, council members, city manager Flynn.

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Thank you so much for this honor.

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This was a real treat.

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It does feel a little weird to be addressing the city council

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that I've covered for so many years.

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I feel like if this was talk radio,

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I'd have to say something like long time listener,

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first time caller, but it really is truly an honor and not just for me, but for local journalism

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in Petaluma as well. You know, when I took over as editor of the Argus Courier, I always thought

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of this as the community newspaper, and I was just a steward of this institution during my tenure.

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An institution by the way that's older than the city of Petaluma itself. I do hope that the Argus

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Courier is around for many, many more years to come, and as for myself, I'll continue to

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to inform the community and my new role as a community,

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as Sonoma County's communications department.

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So I hope to work closely with the city

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and stay engaged in local issues.

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So again, thank you so much for this honor.

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It's really means a lot to me.

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Thanks again.

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You're more than welcome, Matt.

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And we're sorry we're missing you,

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but we are sure we'll hear from you in your new role.

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So thank you.

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Okay, so now I'm moving on to two more proclamations that I'm going to read back-to-back.

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And these are acknowledging our council members, Gabe Kerney and Kathy Miller, who this will

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be their last meeting.

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So I'm going to read one and then the other and we'll go with another process.

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In recognition of Council Member Gabe Kerney, March 7, 2011, to December 2020,

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whereas let it be known, the Council Member Gabe Kerney has loyally and enthusiastically

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served the residents of the City of Petaluma for the past 10 years on the Petaluma City

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Council.

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And whereas Council Member David Glass was elected mayor of the City of Petaluma in the

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the November 2010 regular general municipal election and took

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offices mayor on January 3, 2011, leaving approximately two

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years remaining on his unexpired term as council member. And

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whereas council member Kerney was unanimously selected by the

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city council to fill a vacancy on the city council created by the

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election of David Glasses mayor to begin on March 7, 2011 to

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to serve until the successor was appointed following the regular general municipal election of November 6, 2012.

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And whereas council member Kerney was one of the many applicants for the council vacancy, the appointment deadlocked three three on numerous votes.

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Through two meetings, finally, at the third meeting, Mr. Kerney, we've seen four of those

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in the Surprise World call vote, which is why these colleagues have long teased everyone's

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seventh choice, is the one who gets the point.

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And whereas, passing it about over the past of Grande High School, also member Kerney brought

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diversity and youth to the council.

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This slide has a pleasure to work with a huge asset to the city and his viewpoint and passion for our time will be missed.

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Remember currently for

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Petaluma, but for our state is inspiration.

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His performance is counsel duties looking out for what is best for the entire community.

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This poise and passion for local government serves as a model for all his seat couples and the hope is.

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This is a request that he remains active and a voice for positive change. And whereas councilmember

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Kerney has been our only native son on the council these past 10 years, and his love for

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his hometown is crystal clear, a knowledgeable and tireless advocate for petaluma's public

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safety departments, emergency preparedness, for finding meaningful and lasting solutions

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to homelessness and for clean energy opportunities for Petaluma. He has dedicated nearly a decade to the

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council and his unique voice, wit, and humor will be missed and gave it a hard job well.

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And whereas councilmember Curry helped secure the city's first new revenue source measure you,

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which will benefit our community for generations to come, and we will always be appreciative of his

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ability to diplomatically call things as he sees it, and now has the time to learn to fly.

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And now, therefore, be it resolved that I truly sever it, Mayor of Petaluma,

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along with the members of the Petaluma City Council, do hereby proclaim that

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21st of December, we

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stand our congratulations, gratitude and appreciation for his faithful and

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Distinguished Service to City Council, thank you,

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Now I'm moving on to the proclamation

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in recognition of Council Member Kathy Miller.

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January 7, 2013 to December 2020.

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Whereas let it be known, Council Member Kathy Miller

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has faithfully and tirelessly served

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the residents of the city of Petaluma for the past eight years on the Petaluma City Council.

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And whereas Council Member Miller's efforts on the Sonoma County Transportation Authority

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were instrumental in getting Highway 101 widened through Petaluma and the region

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and her leadership in park building infrastructure and housing was invaluable.

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And whereas Council Member Miller was a key figure behind measure X for the improved

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recreational facilities in Petaluma in 2012, while it only received 61% of the vote and

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needed 66% to pass, she used her news seat on the council to help secure many needed recreation

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improvements and eventually secured the broad support of the community with Sonoma County's

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measure M. And whereas Councilmember Miller's enduring advocacy for improving parks, facilities

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and recreational programming has improved the quality of life for generations of petalemists

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youth and her determination to find the middle ground helped unify community stakeholders to bring

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park facilities like the Petaluma community sports fields from concept to reality.

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And whereas councilmember Miller is much appreciated for her participation on the pedestrian

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and bicycle advisory committee for her constancy, her advocacy and her skill of listening

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to the ideas and desires of the P back and bringing those ideas to fruition to make Petaluma

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a multimodal city. And whereas in the many tough decisions made at the

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day is Councilmember Miller's voice was collegial, pragmatic, educated,

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calm and clear, a true leader for the city of Pagoluma for eight years.

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She will be greatly missed and will always be known for staying the course

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regardless of having to make difficult decisions along the way.

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And whereas it should be recognized that the driving force, oh, I'm sorry, whereas Councilmember Miller helped secure the city's first new revenue source, measure you, which will benefit our community for generations to come and we will always be appreciative of her Texas tenacity.

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And now, therefore, be it resolved that I choose to bear it, Mayor Petaluma, along with the members of the Petaluma City Council, do hereby proclaim the 21st day of December 2020 as Caffe Miller Day and extend our congratulations, gratitude and appreciation for her faithful and distinguished service to City Council and the citizens of the City of Petaluma.

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So we have two long servings.

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Council members who are leaving us after this meeting. And in addition to our recognition, we have a supervisor, David, rabbit here to also read proclamations honoring both of our council members from the county of Sonoma.

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Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you all for allowing me to be here with you tonight, even if it is here and not there.

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as we bid farewell to two public servants

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and thank them for their service

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to the citizens of Petaluma.

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And I just want to say that I'm here,

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certainly my official capacity,

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but I'm also here as a Petaluma resident

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and as someone who served on your body

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and knows the job well.

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The hours you all span and the dedication

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that you all put in.

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And while you're, you know,

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you ask for it by throwing your hat in the ring for sure,

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it shouldn't go unnoticed

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that the stipend does not do justice to the amount of time and work that you perform on behalf

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of the citizens of Petaluma. So to that end, thank you each and every one of you.

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The Board of Supervisors did pass two resolutions commemorating and honoring the service of

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council members Miller and Kierney. To council member Miller, a profound thank you from myself for

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your eight years of service, for being a champion of parks and so instrumental in the Petaluma

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community sports fields project, as the Mayor mentioned, for acquiring perhaps a new passion

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in transportation and seeing through the Highway 101 widening project in prioritizing the sound

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walls for those living adjacent to the freeway, as well as serving well in representing the interest

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of Petaluma on the Sonoma County Transportation Authority. For working on pedestrian safety

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and for your positive contribution to measure you. Thank you for working to make our hometown,

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on my hometown a better place to live.

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And to Council Member Karrini,

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also a profound thank you for myself

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for your 10 years of service.

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I always appreciated your perspective, Gabe,

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and your dedication as well as your focus

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on public safety, on housing, on homelessness,

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on clean energy.

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And thank you for bringing your background

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and disaster preparedness and response forward.

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Who would have known we would need that so much

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over the last decade or so.

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It's not just the Petaluma, not just here

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to the Petaluma city of Petaluma,

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but really the county and beyond,

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and Gabe, I enjoy our partners at Cal OES,

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but we do see each other way too much.

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Again, thank you for your professionalism

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and your dedication.

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You served the public well,

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and I want to thank you for working

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to make our hometown a better place to live

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and to everyone really.

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Here's to brighter days ahead in 2021.

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one. Happy holidays, be safe, and I look forward to coming back in January or February or whatever

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works with your agenda to offer a county update and welcome your two new colleagues as well.

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So thank you very much, Mayor Baird. I very much appreciate the opportunity to speak tonight.

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Thank you. We're glad you came and yes, we would like to see you come back again and give us an

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update for what's happening at the county. We'll schedule that real soon. Perfect. Thank you.

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So also in addition to the city and the county, our state senator, Bill Dodd has sent over

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certificates of recognition that have been given to each of the council members.

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And that's something that, you know, I've never seen that happen before when someone leaves

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So that's actually a very nice thing.

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And in addition to that, there's a congressional recognition that was given to each of the

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and departing City Council members by our U.S. representative, Jared Huffman.

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So with that, I say not so fast because you have a whole evening of a lot of work ahead

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of you, and we will be giving you an opportunity to have your responses to these after we hear

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from public comment.

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So at this time, I'd like to open public comment for general public comment and Aaron, you're taking that task today.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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If you're interested in making a general public comment, please raise your hand now.

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I will start a 30-second timer shortly.

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It will divide 20 minutes equally between those who have raised their hands by the end of the timer.

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Those who are not raised or hand by the end of the timer and wish to make a general public comment may submit an email to the city clerk at city clerk at city of Paloma dot org during

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the general public comment.

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The public is invited to make comments on items of public interest that are within the city council subject matter jurisdiction.

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There are not list.

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On the current agenda. Public comments are limited to up to three minutes per person over 20 minutes total. Please raise your hand and zoom to be called on and turn. Attendees will be muted when their time expires, or when their comments have concluded whichever comes first. Speakers are encouraged respectful threats of violence and a city are grounds for removal from the speeding.

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Not a mayor. At this point, it looks like we have 17 hands raised. So we'll be going with a minute.

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I'm not sure if my list is the same as yours, but so do you want to call them, Aaron?

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Yes, I can.

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Okay, thank you.

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So the first person that I have speaking is Wendy Denny.

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I will now allow you to speak if you can begin to do so.

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Hello.

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Hired by the city,

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CTC consultants have now gathered the raw data

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and completed the dry test.

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This data will show the actual measurements taken

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and that there is no significant gap in Verizon phone service

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within a 3 mile radius of the creamery.

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Likewise on Verizon's own map,

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it shows no gap in coverage in the same area.

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Last week we asked the city to attain the raw data

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from CTC with no response.

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We want to know when will the city receive this data

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and final summary report. It's crucial that the city immediately get possession of

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the raw data and place it into the public record. These findings are necessary for transparency

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and will show the true story. Instead of just a summary report, the public needs access

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to this data without delay. In addition, it would not be recruited for the creamry to take

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responsibility for a cell tower. The city needs to discern the creamry is a high risk

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operation, not answerable for it's safety upkeep and unsuitable for the

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light.

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Thank you, Wendy. Sorry, your time is up. The next

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week that we have is John and yet, I will now allow you to speak. You can

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yourself can get speaking.

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Well, unfortunately, I don't have enough time for one

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minute. You seem like you're depriving the public the right to participate

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under the Brown Act. I would like to say thank you to the young folks that keep asking for

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tech hoots and I commend you for your effort and don't give up. And about the public comment,

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you've gotten it too short, and I think one of you said that because you don't get to your

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business, and that is wrong, because if you look back, the one who said at best,

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in the meeting when he told you you go home late because you talk too much and I have to agree with him.

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There was no reason for you to this cares the public from coming forward.

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You need to bring the public closer and work with the public not against the public.

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We'll see you next time.

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Thank you, John.

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The next speaker that we have is Scott Springhorn, followed by Kate Bolton.

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So I'll now allow you to speak.

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You can unmute yourself and begin speaking now.

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Thank you.

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During the last city council meeting, a resident was making a public comment about the current

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fire danger at the cremary.

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At the exact same time that this neighbor was speaking, the fire actually broke out the

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the creamery again in the exact same building as in June and again there was no alarm that sounded both fires started in the boiler room which is under the proposed cell tower would be put up in close to the building that houses the toxic family and out of compliance among the cooling system not only does this prop proposed projects I continue to light on fire it is continually acts of bad faith out of compliance with many safety and hazard issues not following multiple city ordinances new citations from fire department I lean trucks wastewater fines unpaid fines to city and other agency and the list goes on and on

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The city can make one easy decision to deny or just move this proposed major wireless project to another appropriate place where cell services actually needed and that is not near thousands of residential properties.

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The city needs to do the right thing and take action on this site and project now. Thank you for your time.

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Thank you Scott.

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Kate, I will now allow you to speak. You can unmute yourself and begin speaking.

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So, greetings, three-page letter that was sent by the city on November 10th asked for more than 15 pieces of information. And many other important asks that the city needs in order to make the best decision on the cell tower project at the creamery. The city has asked over and over for Verizon to submit this information. Today it has been more than six weeks and there's still nothing from this applicant. It's another act of bad pay. This continues to happen repeatedly.

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Continual acts of bad faith out of compliance with many safety issues and out of compliance with multiple city ordinances. The list goes on and on. The city has given this applicant and the creamery over 18 months to get this done, but they cannot come into compliance and new issues keep happening every night the creamery owner and workers sleep for their homes.

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We live here. Please consider our safety and our property values and do the right thing for the residents. Please stop giving the primary a pass on its multiple violations.

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Thank you for your time and have a great holiday season.

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I'll be there.

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Yes. Perfect. I'm commenting on the incident where a white woman posted a video on Instagram

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accusing a local Latino couple of attempting to kill an effort children. The woman named Katie reported the incident to the police department a week earlier, although

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I'm glad the police have closed the investigation of the couple and are looking into charging Katie. I'm concerned how the police

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community with public and the couple. In its first message to the community about the incident,

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the police said there was conflicting information, yet they included in their message of photo

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of the couple as people of interest. Why would police so widely share the photo before investigating?

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In addition, the police reached out to the couple via Facebook Messenger. As I've ever been

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done, I'm trying to imagine getting a Facebook message from police like this couple did. After

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We're all in the handling of racial justice issues this year.

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Does anyone really think of a person of color

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had basically accused a white couple,

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the police would have posted the white couple's photo

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to the committee?

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Thank you all, I'm sorry, but your time is up.

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Next speaker is Heather Murrow.

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Murrow, followed by Lily.

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Heather, I will now allow you to speak.

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You could unmute yourself and begin.

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Two

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weeks ago this evening, during the public comment section

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of the December 7th City Council meeting,

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I was speaking to the high fire risk of the Petalima Creamer operations.

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On that evening, while I was commenting on the fire history of the Creamer operations,

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and explaining that the area where the boilers operate,

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which is adjacent to where the ammonia is stored, is a high fire risk.

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What should happen, but a fire broke out at this very location of the Creamer facility.

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In October, you signed the fire prevention proclamation,

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which read if it's predictable, it's preventable.

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How's this scenario predictable?

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Given the known fire hazard of the Creamery operations, please deny the

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Verizon proposal for the Verizon Sell Tower facility at this location.

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If the fire danger to neighborhood isn't enough, the prospect of our fire

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fighters having to access the rooftop for future fires, which houses selltowers,

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transformers, and associated electrical equipment is troubling for sure.

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Please consider the safety of the residences in this neighborhood.

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Thank you Heather, I'm sorry, but your time was up.

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The next speaker that we have is Lily, followed by Laura.

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Lily, I will now unmute yourself.

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All right, I'll allow you to speak.

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You can unmute yourself again.

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Hi, thank you.

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Let me get rid of that feedback.

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I am here representing myself as a Petal No Business owner.

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I am a holistic health practitioner of 14 years.

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I am a fifth generation petal in my resident.

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I am a mom, and I'm a fourth-generation

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petal in the business owner, and I'm here representing

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Coalition of Small Businesses in Petaluma,

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who are suffering right now.

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Now, our message is very simple,

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which is the health of a community is so much more

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than just the spread of one virus,

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and we can protect the vulnerable

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without shutting down our local economy.

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I really appreciate your time on this,

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and thank you for hearing myself and other people

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who will be showing tonight.

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Thank you.

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The next speaker that we have is Laura, followed by Alan Warstill. Laura, I'll allow you to begin speaking. UK, Don, meet yourself and begin.

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Hi, can you hear me? Yes.

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Great. Thank you. My name is Laura. I'm a local business owner and downtown, Petaluma, and I'm calling tonight to urge the mayor and council members to please hear us, the business owners of this town are struggling.

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and our businesses are disappearing and new ones are disappearing every day.

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And we need you to help us turn Pateluma into a sanctuary city

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to support the community and the businesses that are the community of Pateluma.

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This would allow us to continue operating regardless of Gavin Newsome shutdown orders.

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We're going to be emailing you some information.

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We've already emailed you some from Kevin Tyler and we'd really like you to take a look at that and consider our request, please.

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Thank you.

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The next speaker that we have is Alan Warsaw, followed by a call number 703-06-4.

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I'm going to allow Alan to speak.

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Are you going to do yourself and begin speaking?

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Hi, Alan, you're there.

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Alan, I'm going to come back to you.

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What are you about?

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Alan, I just got you right when you're starting.

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Okay. Unmuted. Hi. So I'm calling regarding the incident recently,

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depending on the craft store where a white woman racially profiled a local

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couple and accused them of kidnapping her child and then posted it to Instagram.

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And then the police released a photo of the couple to the media and contacted

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the couple on Facebook and accused them of a kidnapping that didn't happen,

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which then the media picked up on and now this innocent couple is known all

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over the world when they're innocent.

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And so I would like the aluminum police department

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to make a public apology on behalf of that couple.

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And I'd also like the City Council to be aware

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that this will save our children

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and mean is a right-wing means spreading around

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being used to target people of color.

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And I, yeah, that's it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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The next speaker that we have is the call number,

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Sorry, I was 703, it's 06.4, followed by Sheila Baker.

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I will now allow the call number to speak.

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You can unmute your mic and begin speaking.

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Hello, you there. You can unmute your mic and begin speaking.

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Hi, my name is Jim Duffy.

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I'm sure the Petaluma police believe that publishing the Martinez is a picture

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in an effort to quickly investigate the allegations of attempted kidnapping

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was the right thing to do while many in the public clearly disagree.

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If Petaluma had an effective civilian oversight entity with a robust community engagement component,

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there would be an appropriate place to have these conversations on this important disagreement.

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Petaluma voters supported measure P at 64%.

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It's time for the council to appoint a community working group to determine the appropriate form and structure of civilian oversight for your city.

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don't make the people in your city go to the ballot.

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Effective civilian oversight serves to strengthen the trust between the community and the police.

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In 2015, President Obama's 21st Century Policing Task Force called upon all jurisdictions to create civilian oversight for their police.

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Thank you. I'm sorry, but your time is up.

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Next speaker that we have is Sheila Baker, followed by Deborah.

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She will now allow you to speak.

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You can unmute your mic and begin.

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Hello.

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I just want to say thank you.

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Huge, huge thank you to council members.

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Bernie and Miller and congratulations for years and years and years of

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excellent service to the city of Pendled Emma.

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Gabe, thank you for your wonderful advocacy of homeless people

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and animals and after school at risk kids and the work that you've done.

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And emergency management services and support for our police and fire here. Thank you, Kathy Miller. Councilmember Miller, I just think of you every time I'm out riding on these crazy roads. Thank you so much for your work with advocacy advocating for money for our roads and our streets and our parks and our park trails and pass. Thank you very much to both of you and congratulations for wonderful service. Thanks. Thank you.

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next speaker that I have is Debra, followed by Ben Peters. Debra, I will allow you to speak on

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yourself and me and speaking. Hi, my name is Debra. I'm a resident of Petaluma,

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Vincent's 1999. I'd like to tell you that there's 10 people plus children standing out here at City Hall.

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We do demand that you start doing in-person meetings for us. We're tired of you hiding behind

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the zoom. Also, I'm here because I'm supporting businesses that are losing their shirts. There's no

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difference between going to Costco, going to Safeway, going in a restaurant, wearing a mask. There's

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no difference between any of these things. The small businesses are losing. Middle class is going

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by the wayside. Petaluma is going to become an empty store. Everyone's losing. And we would like

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you to adopt Kevin Kylie's Healthy Communities Resolution and declare

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Patelima a sanctuary city. And also I would like you to stop taking any money

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for yourselves. If we can't get paid, you don't get paid. I'm tired of this.

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Thank you for. Thank you, Deborah. I'm sorry what your time is up.

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speaker that we have is Ben Peters, followed by Kimi Barbosa. Ben, I will allow

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to speak, you can unmute yourself and me and speak to you.

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Good evening, everyone.

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Little bit related to the last speaker.

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So one of the main differences between different types

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of commercial facilities is the indoor air quality.

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So a resource everyone should check out is ashray.org,

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A-S-H-R-A-E.org.

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It lists four important steps that we can all take

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to keep our indoor air safe.

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This is critical right now during the Christmas time.

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If you have family members and you're visiting them inside because it's raining,

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please increase the ventilation in the room.

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Go to ashray.org.

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Look at the steps you can do.

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That includes HEPA filtration, UVC lighting, and advanced microbial techniques.

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This is something that we should be including in our community development block grant applications

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questions for fiscal year 21-22. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker we have is Kimi Barbosa,

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followed by Allegra Wilson. Kimi, I'll allow you to speak.

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You can unmute yourself and then begin speaking.

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Hi, my name is Kimi Barbosa. I'm just calling in to express my concern

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over a couple of things that I've seen back to back.

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regarding Pettoloma Police Department, the first, of course, where the community

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talked down Pettoloma Police and helped de-escalate a situation between them

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and then a person who was in distress. The other concern I have is regarding

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the racial profiling incident that other colors have mentioned before or

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photo of an innocent Latino couple was released despite contracting evidence

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And they maintained that this couple was, you know, in a suspected of potential kidnapping, which a kidnapping never occurred.

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These incidents are highly concerning, especially considering they both regarded people of color.

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I'm not sure if Petaluma police needs some similar and oversight, I think that's a great measure to try to enact.

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I think there needs to be accountability for law enforcement there.

443
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And I hope that the City Council also expresses the same concerns and starts to have some accountability for these actions. Thank you.

444
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Thank you.

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The next speaker that we have is Allegra Wilson, followed by Teran Abade. Allegra, allow you to speak. You can unmute your mic and begin.

446
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:38,790
Hi. Yes. Thank you. I'm calling also about the incident of racial profiling against the Latinx couple.

447
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It's unacceptable and it is racist.

448
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:46,950
I also want to say not only do the police need to be accountable, but white moms need to

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be accountable too.

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00:39:48,330 --> 00:39:52,510
I'm a white mom and I know that I can endanger people of color when I make accusations

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or start off incidences or even share them on social media without thinking it through.

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I hope that all other white moms think about what they're doing. It's reminiscent of Emmett Till, and it's unacceptable. And the Petal and the Police Department, you also really need to think about how you treat people, and there needs to be civilian oversight. Thank you.

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00:40:14,780 --> 00:40:15,780
Thank

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you.

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00:40:20,070 --> 00:40:26,830
Next speaker we have is Taren O'Bade, followed by our last speaker, Taren, I'll allow you

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to speak.

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You can unmute your mic and begin.

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In last week's cream refired, no fire alarm was automatically triggered.

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Why?

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Why are no automatic alarms required for this toxic ammonia tanks and large gas boiler

461
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operation?

462
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In homes, alarms are required in every room, and the fire department did not investigate

463
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it into the cause. Why not? Where's the accountability? The

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creamers history includes lack of ammonia tank leak detection

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system in this very tower. Yet the inspection this year

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revealed that there were no ammonia tank detectors and that

467
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:08,150
the workers were untrained for leak protocol. YouTube

468
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:13,470
videos show exactly how badly ammonia tank leaks can end. There

469
00:41:13,470 --> 00:41:17,490
are dairy ammonia leak videos that show within one to two

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minutes of a leak, there's a fire which immediately is followed by a major explosion that will

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send this surrounding neighborhood running. Do you know that no insurance company will cover

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wireless facilities? The liability is huge. Thank you, Teran. My apologies as your time has ended.

473
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The last speaker that we have tonight is Rhee. I will allow you to speak if you can unmute yourself

474
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and again speaking.

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The fact that without any witnesses or corroborating stories and also the fact that there was conflicting evidence and you still decided to blast this family's picture all over which put them at risk but you also reach out to them via social media which just I don't know I didn't know that

476
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,640
this just shows the gross incompetence that you all have 13

477
00:42:42,330 --> 00:42:43,810
years old my father has experienced.

478
00:42:46,330 --> 00:42:51,590
You don't do anything when it comes to keeping the by-pock safe because we... Thank you, Rudy.

479
00:42:51,590 --> 00:42:53,090
We unfortunately time has ended.

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Not a mayor that is the last of the speakers that were within our original time.

481
00:42:59,920 --> 00:43:01,760
Okay, thank you very much.

482
00:43:01,980 --> 00:43:09,020
And I do apologize that we have to cut the time, but there are so many people who are raising their hands.

483
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And we just don't have the time on the agenda.

484
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So please submit anything you did not get to say through our city clerk and it will get to everyone and it will be posted on our city website.

485
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:40,840
So thank you to close general public comment and I should ask the city clerk if she received any general public comments other by email or written.

486
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:47,200
Madam Mayor, we received by general public comment prior to this meeting that have been posted to the website.

487
00:43:47,980 --> 00:43:49,500
Okay, thank you very much.

488
00:43:50,420 --> 00:43:54,680
And so now I'm going to bring it back to council comment.

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And as I promised, I'm going to start with council member Dave Kerney.

490
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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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And so let me start by thanking my colleagues who have served with the past two years.

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and some longer. It's been a complete pleasure to work with my fellow council members.

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00:44:15,240 --> 00:44:20,740
I think we've been working together rather well to move forward to the agenda of the city of

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00:44:20,740 --> 00:44:28,760
Petaluma and put the needs and desires of the community first as we do this job. Starting

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back in 2011 on the council, working with council members Albertson and Harris and Renee

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and in Hilly and Barrett at the time in their glass.

497
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It was a steep learning curve for me coming on to the council,

498
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but I've enjoyed every minute of the time I've been on the council.

499
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It's afforded me opportunities to lobby on behalf of the Rainier Flood Project.

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Not only the U.S. Senate and the House representatives, but at the White House as well, to the Office of the Intergovernmental Affairs. I've been able to serve on this summer clean power board and the Healthy Community Board. And in many other opportunities, the Airport Commission, you get to learn so much about all the different facets of our community and all the intricacies of what goes into running the system.

501
00:45:30,540 --> 00:45:37,500
City of Pendulum. It's not just this one meeting every other Monday. Over the years,

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not only have I had the pleasure of working with the Council members and other electives

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working with Supervisor Rabbit and the other members of the Board of Supervisors has been a

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pleasure working with our great Congressman Jared Huffman to, like I said, get the funding for the

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the Payrun flood project.

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That project was started when Barbara Boxer

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was our congresswoman, and she finished up

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her entire term as a US senator before that project

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was completed.

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And so it was a long time coming, a lot of effort,

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and a lot of heavy lift, but it couldn't have been done

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without Jared Huffman and his great leadership

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00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,040
in Washington, and prior to him,

514
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,820
Congresswoman Wolsey's efforts.

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00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,120
Being on the City Council, you get to interact with a lot of different members of the community.

516
00:46:30,260 --> 00:46:41,500
Sometimes they are very passionate about their opinions of the city and it's great to see people get so involved and so active.

517
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:48,100
When I first started attending the City Council meetings, I was 16 years old, so I was 23 years ago.

518
00:46:48,100 --> 00:46:54,440
the first city council meeting I came to was to I think council member Healy was on the council at the time.

519
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And we were the issue was regarding domestic partner benefits for our city workers and creating a just domestic partner.

520
00:47:04,620 --> 00:47:14,160
Registry and we were the first smaller city outside of San Francisco and Oakland to do that in northern California and in it's something that I've been proud of ever since.

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that our council unanimously stood up for the rights of our LGBT employees and the members

522
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,160
of our community that were LGBT.

523
00:47:24,380 --> 00:47:33,280
And so, you know, going back to, that was what, 1998, I believe, or yeah, I think it was

524
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:39,700
1998, but it's been a pleasure to be involved serving on the tree commission and then it's

525
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the Health Board for the County and the Community Development Committee.

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A commonality, both Teresa Barrett and I, or Mayor Barrett and I have served on the

527
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:51,700
Tree Commission and the Community Development Committee prior to joining the

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Council and it's been a joy. Our city manager, Peggy Flynn, has done a phenomenal

529
00:48:00,380 --> 00:48:08,740
job in the little over what are we at a year, maybe a little bit right around

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00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:16,840
there but payee has done a phenomenal job of leading the city has brought on some great staff and

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promoted some staff from within and I'm very proud of the vote I took to appoint payee and I think

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she's leading our city in the right direction and wish her and her team the best of luck.

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I am overwhelmingly proud of our city staff who aren't the best paid city employees in

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the county.

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We don't have all the shaniest, newest things for them to do their job with but every day

536
00:48:48,140 --> 00:48:54,740
they come to work and they do a damn good job of it and they serve our community with pride

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00:48:54,740 --> 00:49:03,700
and with integrity and when we need them the most during disasters, when we call on them our public

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00:49:03,700 --> 00:49:09,120
work staff, our city attorney staff, our finance staff. You name the department in our city they've

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00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:18,640
stepped forward and come out to help our community and help our neighbors with running shelters. We had

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00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:23,760
at one point I think Jordan was running the shelter at the KC center and she's a city,

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you know, a deputy city attorney. That's not something you see in other communities. And it's

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something I'm very proud of. Our public work staff during the fires. It's just the incredible

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00:49:32,500 --> 00:49:38,260
job, not only pulping the folks that we're needing to be sheltered here in our community, but going

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out and helping our neighbors in other cities that needed assistance. Our police department

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has done a great job over the years, our fire department.

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You know, our firefighters have responded to so many fires out of County and throughout our state to ensure our.

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Our neighbors are safe all while dealing with COVID. And it's just how they've been able to adapt

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and give it and overcome the challenges it has been incredible. I will miss the city staff

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incredibly. It's these 10 years have gone by quick. But to say that I've served this community

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for a quarter more than a quarter of my life on the city council it's been a unique privilege and

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00:50:30,300 --> 00:50:38,760
honor that I will forever cherish. Thank you Peggy, thank you Eric, thank you Kendall and all

552
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:53,060
the city staff it's been a true honor and a privilege and thank you to the residents of the city of

553
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Thank you, Gabe. Council Member Kerning. And now Council Member Miller.

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Actually, before I start thanking everybody, I have a few reports that I need to give.

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So we had a future transit ad hoc meeting. That's an ad hoc group of the Sonoma County Transportation

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We have a discussion regarding transit integration and efficiency study.

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Basically it's a conversation about how we can integrate the three bus systems in the county

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to make sort of a seamless experience for our mutual customers.

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And so there was a discussion about marketing, structuring the fares

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so that they're similar, making transitions from one bus system to the other seamless.

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And so, you know, it'll be an ongoing conversation. You know, the biggest thing right now,

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obviously, is to get through COVID and get more people back on transit. But it's something that

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I think will be an ongoing effort by SETA to make it easier for people to seamlessly ride transit

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in the county. And so that was that meeting. We had an SCTA RCPA meeting last week. Of note,

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there will be a one-hour orientation for new directors or other electeds who are interested in

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an overview of the work done by the SCTA RCPA. The reason they're doing this is because there are

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four board members who are transitioning off and so there will be quite the turnover of new folks on the board.

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So those orientations will take place on January 6th at four, for about an hour, or on January 8th at one, for about an hour.

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So whoever will be the new director for the SETAR CPA from the City Council should definitely attend and any other council members who are interested in what they do.

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to what SCTR-CPA does should also attend.

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We had our annual audit report,

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and those audits were accepted.

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We had a presentation on the Slovanova climate

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mobilization strategy,

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and if you go to the SCTA CA Gov site,

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you can pull out that presentation.

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We also had a conversation about SB1 funding.

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Marin received SB1 funding for the final phase of the narrows, so that's good news, that's

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the final phase of whitening the 101. And Windsor also got around about. And then we did an overview

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and an update on what's going on with the State Route 37 corridor. And if you're interested in that,

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that can also be accessed on the SCTA Gov site and finally there was a recreation

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music person recreation meeting last Wednesday night and we had a discussion

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winter recreation program update an update on the regional stay-at-home order and measure

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and parks update. So those are my reports I had a busy last couple of couple of weeks.

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I would like to congratulate my upfront. That's great news and good luck to him in his new

586
00:54:44,310 --> 00:54:52,670
position. And I just want to thank my colleagues and the citizens of Petaluma. It's been my pleasure

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00:54:52,670 --> 00:54:56,670
to serve with my colleagues and it's been my pleasure to serve the residents of Petaluma.

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I've been involved in

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I will do that in some form or another, either as a planning commissioner, or on the city council, or as an advocate for measure X.

590
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:29,120
For, you know, 13 of the 20 years that I've lived here in town. So I've been very involved in this community. I plan to stay involved in the community. During my time on the council, I've served as a liaison to a planning commission.

591
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:37,860
the Youth Commission, Parks and Rec, the Bi-Can-Pedestrian,

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and I've been on the SCTA-RCPA board for the last five years serving on their executive board as well.

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So what has become apparent to me during my time in public service is that I do have a passion for transportation

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And how people get around, whether they're getting around by bike, whether they're walking or whether they're in their cars or on transit.

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I've also been on the transit advisory committee. I forgot that one. Sorry.

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So, you know, what I'm most proud of, obviously the park's piece is a huge piece.

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And along with that comes the multi-use trails that allow people to bike and walk and get

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around town without their cars.

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But another thing, but the other main focus of mine has been on transportation issues and

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it's transportation in all different ways.

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buses, bikes, cars, and how we improve our roads and how we improve the way that people

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00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:52,740
get around. And so I'm very proud of the work that I've done in that area. I'm proud of

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00:56:52,740 --> 00:57:00,420
the work that I did on SCTA in terms of securing the funding to do the widening for 101 to get

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00:57:00,420 --> 00:57:06,160
the sound walls in place before they started working in central panel limit to provide sound

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relief and protection for the folks who live next to the freeway, and to provide this last piece

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of funding to do the widening through Petaluma, raise the freeway, and allow for the building of

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00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:27,000
Rainier, which is an important project to this community. I would like to thank my council members

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that I've served with. It's been my pleasure. Both the current council as well as the councils in

609
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:38,260
the past that I've served with. I've served under two city managers, John Brown and Peggy

610
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Flynn and I'd like to thank them both for their service to the community and Gabe. Peggy's

611
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coming up on two years actually.

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Time flies when you're having fun are in a constant state

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of crisis.

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And I'd like to thank I appreciate Congressman Huffman for recognizing my service.

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I appreciate Senator Dawg for recognizing my service.

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I certainly appreciate City of Pelluma for that and thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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00:58:13,590 --> 00:58:19,790
Okay, so now, Kevin McDonald, council comments.

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Thank you very much.

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Just a note to Gabe and Kathy.

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It's a bittersweet moment said to see a colleague leave,

622
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but knowing how much freer you're looking for will be now.

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So, and Kathy, specific, I want to express gratitude.

624
00:58:37,710 --> 00:58:40,610
I mean, everyone should know that the East Washington fields,

625
00:58:40,910 --> 00:58:43,310
the Oklahoma community sports fields just wouldn't exist

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without your advocacy.

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And so, a huge thanks for that.

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And I appreciate the last two years working with you too

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as experienced council bringing different insights,

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looking at different facets I might have seen.

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00:58:56,130 --> 00:59:00,650
But also, again, to know the human side of you and remembering that, you know, in this

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00:59:00,650 --> 00:59:04,130
whole political fray, the human side is hugely important.

633
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So, thanks for all your service.

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I know how much work you put in and the whole community, and I appreciate that.

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Back to my committee reports, liaison reports, the planning commission had a workshop last

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week on Hines there at downtown Smart Station at Copeland.

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It robust discussion, it'll come back to the Council here and come back and

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00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:34,490
again to planning. 17 people attended from the public, and in our Zoom world,

639
00:59:34,670 --> 00:59:38,770
we have to figure out how to let the audience know how big the audience is.

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So they know whether they're speaking as a voice of one or speaking in a larger voice.

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So that was the action at the planning commission, and then the continuum of care

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I have a word to handle homelessness through the county.

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They've set two meetings in January to try and kick start the effectiveness and cooperation, the business.

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01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,320
of the continuum of care. And we really have to get that strategy rolled out so the public knows

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01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:12,980
that good things are happening regarding addressing homelessness in the county. It also happened to

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01:00:12,980 --> 01:00:19,860
attend smart listening session for multi-use paths and getting people around in ways that isn't

647
01:00:19,860 --> 01:00:26,000
their cars. Frankly, isn't the train either? It was focused on paths. Petaluma was well represented,

648
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:33,660
many comments from constituents in Petaluma and I'm hoping that all our

649
01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:38,140
January activity gets posted to the website soon the climate meeting which is

650
01:00:38,140 --> 01:00:45,120
very exciting but especially the racism workshop race and racism in in Petaluma

651
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:50,400
now that we're set for January we should be stand up and and making sure that

652
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,440
we get the voices heard at that January workshop.

653
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:55,280
Thank you very much.

654
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:57,700
Thank you.

655
01:00:58,020 --> 01:01:00,300
A capture number healing.

656
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:03,810
Thank you.

657
01:01:04,070 --> 01:01:09,710
So I'll echo the comments regarding Gabe and Kathy.

658
01:01:10,970 --> 01:01:15,070
Many thanks for all your many, many years

659
01:01:15,070 --> 01:01:17,610
of very, very hard work on behalf of the community.

660
01:01:18,070 --> 01:01:18,890
It makes a difference.

661
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:20,670
It's appreciated in the community.

662
01:01:20,670 --> 01:01:29,930
I certainly appreciate it and you were both able to really move the ball forward on areas

663
01:01:29,930 --> 01:01:36,390
where you were passionate and in Gabe's case, that's anything related public safety,

664
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:42,850
police, fire, ambulance. I don't think we have a third frontline ambulance right now without

665
01:01:42,850 --> 01:01:49,770
your advocacy on that for many years and also on homelessness issues which is going to continue

666
01:01:49,770 --> 01:01:51,330
need to be a challenge for our community.

667
01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:56,430
And then in Kathy's case, all things park and rack,

668
01:01:56,730 --> 01:01:58,270
starting initially with you, soccer,

669
01:01:58,450 --> 01:01:59,830
but expanding way beyond that.

670
01:02:00,030 --> 01:02:02,770
And I agree with Cal's member McDonald's comments

671
01:02:02,770 --> 01:02:06,070
about her key role in achieving the sports fields

672
01:02:06,490 --> 01:02:07,210
by the airport.

673
01:02:07,950 --> 01:02:09,110
And then also transportation.

674
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:11,890
Six years on the Sonoma County Transportation Authority

675
01:02:11,890 --> 01:02:13,290
is an enormous achievement.

676
01:02:14,090 --> 01:02:16,430
And you did a lot of good for our community

677
01:02:16,430 --> 01:02:18,570
and in the whole region in that role.

678
01:02:18,570 --> 01:02:21,330
So I know you'll both stay involved.

679
01:02:21,730 --> 01:02:22,910
I hope you both stay in touch.

680
01:02:23,770 --> 01:02:28,010
And thank you again for your many years of service.

681
01:02:29,710 --> 01:02:32,610
Just briefly, by way of liaison reports,

682
01:02:32,970 --> 01:02:35,710
the pedal and the valley groundwater sustainability agency

683
01:02:35,710 --> 01:02:37,470
did meet last week.

684
01:02:37,470 --> 01:02:41,170
And we did a deep dive into one of the five mandatory criteria

685
01:02:41,170 --> 01:02:46,430
for our upcoming groundwater sustainability plan.

686
01:02:46,430 --> 01:02:48,110
and you'll be hearing more of that in the future.

687
01:02:49,070 --> 01:02:51,770
And then finally, I had one question for staff,

688
01:02:52,030 --> 01:02:54,170
possibly the city attorney, but I'll let you decide.

689
01:02:54,570 --> 01:02:57,630
Several of the public speakers were asking us

690
01:02:57,630 --> 01:03:02,230
to exempt ourselves from the governor's health mandate

691
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:04,950
in the county health officers orders.

692
01:03:05,990 --> 01:03:09,750
I'm not aware of any legal ability that we have to do that.

693
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:13,890
Could staff please, let me know if I'm wrong on that.

694
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:14,530
Thank you.

695
01:03:16,490 --> 01:03:18,490
Madam Mayor Council, if you'd like me to respond,

696
01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:21,050
I'm with you, Council Member Haley,

697
01:03:21,210 --> 01:03:23,350
I'm not aware of any sexual legal authority either.

698
01:03:23,490 --> 01:03:28,850
The, I have done some looking at the basis of authority

699
01:03:28,850 --> 01:03:32,610
for the health orders as we've seen many of them issued

700
01:03:33,350 --> 01:03:34,870
from the county health office.

701
01:03:35,190 --> 01:03:39,750
And it's a clear statutory basis that is, I think unique.

702
01:03:40,550 --> 01:03:43,630
And obviously, it's still subject to our state

703
01:03:43,630 --> 01:03:44,890
and federal constitutions.

704
01:03:44,890 --> 01:03:49,550
but it's a very significant power.

705
01:03:49,970 --> 01:03:51,410
It is not one that,

706
01:03:53,390 --> 01:03:55,070
it's not a general police power.

707
01:03:55,210 --> 01:03:57,270
Those are not general police power actions,

708
01:03:57,870 --> 01:04:00,590
which are, as I think many of you know,

709
01:04:01,150 --> 01:04:04,630
the police power is the geographically limited power.

710
01:04:05,330 --> 01:04:07,070
The counties is just as petalimuses.

711
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:11,070
But the health officer's power is statutory,

712
01:04:11,450 --> 01:04:12,670
and it's not so limited.

713
01:04:12,670 --> 01:04:27,010
And so I would be happy to look further if that's the Council of Direction, but I see no basis for us as doing what's been requested in terms of not following those orders.

714
01:04:27,590 --> 01:04:28,350
Thank you for that.

715
01:04:28,350 --> 01:04:29,950
Thank you.

716
01:04:29,950 --> 01:04:32,350
Do you have anything else, Council Member Healy?

717
01:04:33,250 --> 01:04:34,290
Okay, fine. Thank you.

718
01:04:35,090 --> 01:04:36,730
Vice Mayor Fisher.

719
01:04:37,670 --> 01:04:38,370
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

720
01:04:39,110 --> 01:04:47,510
In terms of liaison assignments, since our last meeting we did have a climate action commission meeting and please to say that we.

721
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:58,330
We all agreed on a finalized climate framework plan that we're going to be bringing to us in a joint session on January 11.

722
01:04:58,330 --> 01:04:59,950
and so I hope that the audience...

723
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:11,240
And some members will join us. And so the people know at the height we had 94 audience members attendies tonight. And now there are some of the eight of you. So.

724
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:29,980
And. Thank you to Councilmember Keely and Miller for these two years of serving with you. And for all of your years of service for our community, really appreciate it. And. Mr. Kerney in particular, I miss being in chamber.

725
01:05:29,980 --> 01:05:36,940
with you. Your sense of humor and your smile was always a pleasure to be there on the

726
01:05:36,940 --> 01:05:43,060
dies with you. So, last thing, happy winter solstice, we will know that tomorrow the days will

727
01:05:43,060 --> 01:05:51,760
start getting longer and brighter and happy holidays to everybody. Thank you. Thank you and council

728
01:05:51,760 --> 01:06:00,480
member King. Thank you Madam Mayor. I did not have any liaison reports although I did attend

729
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:07,400
the the climate center had a webinar about the use of electric vehicle batteries to help

730
01:06:08,940 --> 01:06:16,840
load more power under the grid during non-peak hours as we move to more solar and wind power.

731
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,320
or I found that very interesting.

732
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:23,040
I believe Patrick Carter from the staff also attended as well.

733
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,240
I'd like to also thank Matt Brown,

734
01:06:27,580 --> 01:06:28,400
who was honored tonight.

735
01:06:28,700 --> 01:06:31,360
I think he did an excellent job as our editor

736
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:36,840
of our local newspaper and in light of the very ongoing attacks

737
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,700
on what's called the mainstream media these days.

738
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:42,700
I think it's important to recognize the importance

739
01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:45,460
of journalism in our democratic society

740
01:06:45,460 --> 01:06:57,160
because without it we don't have a democratic society plan and simple, you don't have information to make decisions, you don't make decisions and that's how dictatorships get born.

741
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,040
So I would like to thank Matt for his long time at the artists.

742
01:07:03,700 --> 01:07:13,020
And my last two comments are directed to my two colleagues, Kathy Miller and Gabe Kerney, who I've served with my entire six years on the council.

743
01:07:13,020 --> 01:07:19,520
So, you know, everybody has gone through some of the specific details of what you actually

744
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:24,560
did and it probably doesn't cover 20% of what went on here.

745
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:31,620
The range of political issues and subject matters that the city council has to grapple with

746
01:07:31,620 --> 01:07:40,580
on a week-to-week basis is incredible and I don't think anybody who runs for council quite

747
01:07:40,580 --> 01:07:44,060
realizes the depth of all of what you have to deal with.

748
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:49,580
And what I appreciate, and this is about both of you specifically,

749
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:54,180
we had in these six years, we've had to make a lot of very difficult decisions.

750
01:07:55,860 --> 01:07:58,940
I'm sure that's the case in the six years prior and it goes back,

751
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,680
but it seems to me that particularly in the last four years,

752
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:07,480
we've had some very tough ones and they run the gamut through all the issues.

753
01:08:08,620 --> 01:08:15,100
What I appreciated most professionally out of you both was how prepared you were to

754
01:08:15,100 --> 01:08:22,160
make those decisions, how balanced you were in your thinking and approach to everything

755
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:29,500
that came before us, how hard you worked to get to where you are.

756
01:08:30,660 --> 01:08:36,460
Both of you have had excellent demeanor on the council and that, to me, means an awful

757
01:08:36,460 --> 01:08:42,780
a lot. I think if we don't have that up here, we can fall apart pretty quickly. I've

758
01:08:42,780 --> 01:08:46,380
heard of other councils and other parts of this county and other counties where they

759
01:08:46,380 --> 01:08:52,440
don't talk to each other off of the dies or even on the dies and we never even came close

760
01:08:52,440 --> 01:08:58,360
to having that here. I wish I wish the public sometimes could see this council and the prior

761
01:08:58,360 --> 01:09:07,680
Council with Chris Alberts and David Glass talk in difficult sessions and closed session

762
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:15,680
to see how the intellect of you two and the difficult decisions that we had to make

763
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:17,620
there as well were done.

764
01:09:18,480 --> 01:09:22,080
I'm going to miss both of you and your senses of humor quite a bit.

765
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:29,680
I know we'll see each other again when this ends and it will end.

766
01:09:30,740 --> 01:09:38,960
I mean, I think the biggest regret the past nine months is that we don't get together, except on Zoom and get together live.

767
01:09:39,740 --> 01:09:47,540
I hope the community, and I know you got some comments, but I hope the community does appreciate all your good work for this city.

768
01:09:47,540 --> 01:09:52,880
Both what we do on Monday nights here, all the committees you serve on, all the commissions,

769
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:59,840
all the regional boards, all the public events, and all the advocacy, some of my colleagues.

770
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:11,240
I just pointed to some very specific large things that you were very much responsible for. I don't need to make a list. I'd be here for quite a while. But I'd like to thank you, and it's been a real honor to work with you.

771
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:29,980
And with that, I just wish that everybody in the public as well as the staff and council members, the very happy holiday. I don't know if we're going to get a chance to get into that by the time this meeting ends, but I hope you all have a great holiday and I hope it's very safe. Thanks again, Kathy and Gabe.

772
01:10:29,980 --> 01:10:34,440
And if I was wearing nicer pants, I'd stand up and give you a standing ovation, but I'm not.

773
01:10:36,740 --> 01:10:38,120
Too much information.

774
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:41,380
I am wearing pants.

775
01:10:42,500 --> 01:10:45,040
I knew I'd get the truth out of you.

776
01:10:46,780 --> 01:10:54,580
But so I'm going to start with my liaison reports, which are only two, and that is the Bay Area air quality management district.

777
01:10:54,580 --> 01:11:03,700
had a joint meeting with our advisory council, which is a rather stellar group of very renowned

778
01:11:03,700 --> 01:11:14,000
scientists and policymakers. And this group was tasked to look at setting up discussing

779
01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:22,460
and the development of stricter guidelines for particulate matter in the Bay Area, spotlighting

780
01:11:22,460 --> 01:11:24,740
the health protection aspects of that.

781
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:31,920
We had quite a good meeting with a based on an excellent report that was done by the

782
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:40,060
advisory council and the next year or so will be given over to part of staff and that

783
01:11:40,060 --> 01:11:50,420
advisory council for crafting that thought process into policies that can be put into

784
01:11:50,420 --> 01:12:01,480
into practice at the district and that in in so doing go out into the areas

785
01:12:01,480 --> 01:12:07,300
throughout the nine Bay Area counties that the air district is comprised by.

786
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:12,160
And this this will reach even to land use decisions.

787
01:12:12,860 --> 01:12:18,600
And one of the examples they used in particular was the placement of gas stations

788
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:25,900
near schools, whether they're public or private because that does seem to be an issue.

789
01:12:26,620 --> 01:12:36,400
The private schools are not as well covered, but also their affect near child care centers and other vulnerable is in receptors.

790
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:44,100
So it was interesting in that regard for us here in Petaluma since we've already had to be looking at that issue.

791
01:12:44,100 --> 01:12:49,920
But that is coming down in the next, I'd say,

792
01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:51,260
18 months probably.

793
01:12:52,140 --> 01:12:59,540
Also, we had our zone 2A meeting in which we adopted the recommendations for the fiscal year,

794
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:01,520
21, 22 budget.

795
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:07,960
And that budget, that budget, as we approved it,

796
01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:27,500
includes incorporating monitoring of the streams that feed into the Petaluma River and our watershed that will allow us to recalibrate the stream gauges, which we can then use in our upcoming general plan updates.

797
01:13:27,500 --> 01:13:42,960
So that's very valuable information that will be timely for us to be able to use in that work and it's I really admire our staff who serve our public work staff who work with the

798
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:52,740
the Sonoma Water Agency on Zontua and really coordinate those efforts so they were all on

799
01:13:52,740 --> 01:13:58,360
the same page and benefiting from the work by all the different grips. So that was really wonderful.

800
01:13:59,240 --> 01:14:12,940
And I'm just going to add my voice of congratulations and thanks to both Kathy Miller and Gabe

801
01:14:12,940 --> 01:14:15,780
really identified something that

802
01:14:17,140 --> 01:14:21,700
those of us who've been on the council for a while have seen enough variety

803
01:14:21,700 --> 01:14:26,940
and the people on the council to really know when you have very good people on the

804
01:14:26,940 --> 01:14:33,020
council who actually do the work that we need to do in order to come prepared.

805
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:39,620
And I would say that the seven people that are currently sitting on the council

806
01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:46,160
they're not one that I think comes unprepared and I think that that is a really important thing

807
01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:51,980
for everybody to realize in the public, whether you agree or disagree with people,

808
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:59,840
they're not coming only with their opinion. They're coming based on what they have read, what has been

809
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,400
And they are using their values to look at that and casting their vote in that way. But I have never felt that I have been in the meeting with councilmember Miller or councilmember kerney, where they hadn't prepared themselves. And I also think that councilmember king really pointed out something that is is in another important aspect is that there have been

810
01:15:29,400 --> 01:15:37,220
That very good decisions that have been made based on good discussions in close session

811
01:15:37,220 --> 01:15:40,740
that have come from people with very different views.

812
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:47,440
And that's something that the public doesn't get to see so much.

813
01:15:47,820 --> 01:15:51,480
But I do think Council Member Miller and Council Member Kerney.

814
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,960
And even though you've spent a quarter of your life here, Gabe.

815
01:15:56,880 --> 01:16:02,740
you know that that can that can be enlarged so so I'm sure we will see both of you

816
01:16:02,740 --> 01:16:08,700
around town and around here so thank you well I can't say here but at city hall

817
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:15,420
but around the community and thank you both for your service so now we'll go

818
01:16:15,420 --> 01:16:21,500
on to the city manager's comment thank you Mayor Barrett so tonight we're

819
01:16:21,500 --> 01:16:27,160
going to be hearing from our finance director about our financial forecast. And I thought I would

820
01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:34,500
just take this moment. It being our last meeting of the calendar year. And I just want to thank

821
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:40,720
our community again for their support. I'm beyond thankful and humbled by their support of measure

822
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:46,780
you, which will help stem our deficit and begin to fund the priorities that our community told us

823
01:16:46,780 --> 01:16:53,460
were important to them. We've finally gotten to a place where we can stabilize our city and begin

824
01:16:54,140 --> 01:17:00,120
planning to be the full service city our community deserves. But we're not quite there yet

825
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:06,260
and we're asking for your patience. We're putting the infrastructure in place. We're rebuilding our city.

826
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:13,480
Currently our staffing levels are still 16 percent below 2008 levels and we've been accommodating

827
01:17:13,480 --> 01:17:16,880
I mean, a decade of growing needs from a growing population.

828
01:17:18,340 --> 01:17:23,980
So in addition to tonight's forecast, we're looking forward to looking forward to bringing

829
01:17:23,980 --> 01:17:28,600
the budget to Council and the community for discussion as well as prioritizing our goals

830
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:34,320
and priorities for the next two years, and we're excited to be on this trajectory together

831
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:36,180
and looking forward to those conversations.

832
01:17:36,980 --> 01:17:41,040
And again, in the meantime, asking for your patience as we build our city together.

833
01:17:41,900 --> 01:17:46,700
I also want to echo what everyone said tonight.

834
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:53,060
It has been a true honor to be working with both Council Member Kerney and Council Member

835
01:17:53,060 --> 01:17:53,260
Miller.

836
01:17:53,820 --> 01:18:01,680
I want to thank you for teeing up the city for a brighter future, for taking a chance

837
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,380
on a first time city manager.

838
01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:09,200
Thank you for this opportunity to serve this amazing community and work alongside you.

839
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:29,100
and I know that you're going to stay involved and if you aren't, you know, you're going to get pinged, so just FYI, we're going to make sure you guys stay in contact and engaged and just thank you so much for everything you've done for us and for putting us in a better place.

840
01:18:30,020 --> 01:18:30,660
Thank you.

841
01:18:32,070 --> 01:18:41,910
Okay. Thank you very much and now we'll move on to approval of the minutes and these are the minutes for December 7th. That was our last meeting.

842
01:18:42,730 --> 01:18:53,930
If there's no corrections or changes or additions, I'm seeing no one raised their hand. The meetings will be accepted as submitted.

843
01:18:55,550 --> 01:19:00,290
Approval of the proposed agenda for January 4th 2021.

844
01:19:00,290 --> 01:19:04,130
one. Is there a motion for that?

845
01:19:05,530 --> 01:19:07,090
I still move out of there.

846
01:19:07,890 --> 01:19:11,330
Second motion by King, second by Healy,

847
01:19:11,390 --> 01:19:13,590
and we will have a roll call vote.

848
01:19:16,820 --> 01:19:17,940
Is there it? Yes.

849
01:19:18,780 --> 01:19:20,600
Is there? Yes.

850
01:19:22,140 --> 01:19:25,760
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

851
01:19:26,260 --> 01:19:27,580
Yes. Yes.

852
01:19:27,580 --> 01:19:28,600
McDonald. Yes.

853
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:28,780
Yes.

854
01:19:29,140 --> 01:19:29,560
Yes.

855
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:30,480
Yes.

856
01:19:31,200 --> 01:19:32,600
We'll move on to the unanimously.

857
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:34,260
Thank you.

858
01:19:34,540 --> 01:19:36,420
And so one of the consent calendar.

859
01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:40,180
I have a request to pull item B 3B.

860
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,220
Is there any other request to pull anything?

861
01:19:44,820 --> 01:19:46,060
Yeah, 3F please.

862
01:19:46,620 --> 01:19:48,140
B and 3F.

863
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,160
So, um, okay.

864
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:52,520
So is

865
01:19:55,910 --> 01:19:59,970
that has the clerk received any public comments on any of the consent calendar?

866
01:20:03,700 --> 01:20:22,180
Okay, so let's open public comment, and then we'll bring it back for comment regarding questions. And is there any, I want to ask Aaron to see if there's any public comment on the consent items.

867
01:20:24,290 --> 01:20:30,850
Yes, Madam Mayor, there is one speaker with the hand raised, but I'm going to read this little feeling a little quick.

868
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:42,430
During public comment, the public is invited to make comments on items of public interest that are within city council subject manager's diction, and for the item specifically on consent copper.

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So the

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first speaker that we have is Ben Peters.

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I will now allow you to speak, you can unmute yourself and get speaking.

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Real quickly, I'd like to call your attention to item 3a.

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This is the LED Retrofit project.

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So if you review the staff report, you'll see this project results in a 50% cost savings,

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which is amazing.

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The trouble is that we're using the Water Enterprise Fund to fund these important projects.

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what we should be doing is using PG&E 0% on bill financing.

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That way we can reallocate additional water enterprise funds

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to much needed projects and stimulate our local economy.

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Any programs are 0% interest.

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Please use additional resources to leverage important projects,

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such as LED retrofits.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Ben.

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and my mayor that is the only hand I see risk.

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Thank you very much with that.

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We'll close public comment on the consent calendar

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and I don't know if the two people

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who wanted to pull vice mayor Fisher for item B

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and council member Kerney for item F.

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Did you just have questions or did you want to have

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those fold because you oppose them. I'll start with the

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best mayor. I didn't pull up these questions but I pulled it

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because I'd like to offer an alternative. I want to take

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that opportunity now. I would like to. So this is the award

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of the contract to upgrade our tennis pickleball courts, which

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are really have been in need for years. And it's using

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measure M funds. And as the liaison to parks and rec last

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year when we were having this discussion about measure and funds and looking at the survey results and

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looking at our community meeting about the priorities of our community for what they want to see

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measure and funds used for. The biggest need was really for trails and pathways and we've seen

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during the pandemic the incredible need for more of those and upgrading what we have and things like

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Adobe Creek and so rather than encumber our measure and funds over the next 10 years at an amount

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of, you know, almost $50,000 a year, I would offer that we award a contract for the construction

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of just the LeCasey courts for the moment and hold off on McNair and Deloro until we can

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sort of look at our measure and funds and prioritize over these next two years where we want

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that funding to go. So that would be my offer of a motion on 3B is to award the contract

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at this time just for Lake Haysie.

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Okay, so that's a counter motion.

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Is there a second on that?

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Well, I see hands up.

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So, let me ask that hands up first.

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And then we'll go councilmember Kerney and councilmember team.

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I was going to ask to move items three a CDE.

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Okay, all right. That's it. That is a motion.

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Okay, so we'll do that.

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No comment on what the vice mayor just brought up.

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Oh, I think council member King might have some missing on B so I'll wait.

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I'll hold off on adding next to the motion.

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Thank you. So council member King.

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Yeah, I would oppose council vice mayor Fisher's amendment.

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The tennis courts at McNeer Park, I don't believe have been resurfaced in the entirety of the time I've lived here, which is 30 years. It's been in our budget. It's been budgeted as an item to be done for at least two to three years. And I, I support the staff recommendation on item six, excuse me, three being to go forward with both locations, both in terms of the lighting and the resurfacing. It is dangerous. I was on it recently with my mentee from mentor me.

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it is not safe, and the work needs to be done.

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And council member McDonald.

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First, I would second councilman Kerney's motion

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on the balance, if needing the second on that.

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And then regarding the tennis courts,

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you know, it is an important item to fulfill,

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but I really agreed that measure M was brought

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for non-standard maintenance and opportunity

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that we're looking for. So I turn to staff and suggest is there some way we can dig into any of our other

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capital funding to find this or is it even impact eligible under the recreation fund where we

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currently do have some money? Well luckily we have staff. Ken Eisenstadt is on so do I respond to

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that and perhaps other things.

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Thank you, Mayor Barrett.

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Yes, the measure and funding is roughly 10% of the full amount.

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It's 44,000 in the approved budget for this project.

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The staff has done considerable outreach

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to improve the courts and get feedback

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and has gone through multiple options

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for pickleball and tennis court scenarios.

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And we've come to what I think is very much

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of a sweet spot.

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I had spoken with Cindy and Drew,

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Cindy Chong and Drew Halter last week

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and they were getting ready to shut down the near

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because of the trip hazards.

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So we have a safety and a liability issue,

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particularly with McNair,

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but I'll definitely, Lucacey also.

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So I, you know, if there's any questions I can answer

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to help move this forward, I strongly recommend

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that Lucacey and McNair proceed.

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There is contingency in there

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that we could possibly reconfigure the budget

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so that we did not have to take funds

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from any of the trail maintenance, but it's this is a good, you know, getting this project through

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the public process and ready to go, particularly at the time when we are, you know, looking at

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having to possibly shut down McNair. I'd be concerned. My question I think went to funding

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and maybe I'm getting ahead of myself and in our first quarter update, I'll note that it says that Measure U has a $2.5 million revenue this year, and while I'm excited about the revenue, I'm more concerned that we are able to

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We're actively expend the 2.5 this year, and this is perhaps an opening of Council season that way to keep measure M money where it belongs and start that recovery that we sold the public on as part of measure you.

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Okay, so I see the manager also has her hand up, so what do I do?

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So when we did do our outreach to the community, in addition to pathways being, you know, rising

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to the top, recreational facilities was, you know, shortly thereafter as important

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to our community.

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So, staff has found a way and can has done a brilliant job of being able to leverage the

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work that's being done so we could save money and do multiple courts at the same time.

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And as far as the $2.5 million to be expended this year, Councilmember MacDonald, I think our

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finance director will show you that we have more than enough on our plate and as I mentioned

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And tonight it's, we're trying to rebuild our infrastructure, starting with the people behind

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the services, just to get the work done. So, we don't have a shortage of things to invest

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that $2.5 million on, and I think we've done a great job of leveraging Measure M, and we will continue

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you now that we have a dedicated revenue source to leverage our measure you find.

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Okay,

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thank you for that from the city manager and staff, but I do think the question that was posed, then asked again by councilmember McDonald, was the money that is in this funding that comes from measure M does not seem to be what measure M was intended for measure M.

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was not intended for ongoing maintenance or upgrading, but for newer projects or

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additional projects. And I think that that seems to be the sticking point that I've heard.

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And I did hear Ken say something about looking for that money somewhere else or did I make that up.

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We have, we have the budget to be able to do Lucaisy and McNier without touching measure

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M. So we could possibly do those two courts, you know, without the 44,000 for measure M.

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I will say measure M is 10% of the overall budget, and I hadn't seen this issue, I wasn't

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aware of it, so this is news to me, but I feel like we've got the documents to move

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a contractor forward, which for me, as an engine report, and the trail system, I get it.

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That's one of the things I'm most passionate about and you will be hearing more about the trail improvements and the work moving forward on that we've got some really good funding sources with TDA TFCA that will be going towards that.

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As well as other as well as other projects along the trail system into the 21 22 CIP so.

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So it, I was just, you know, looking at the budget book and the measure M, you know, was

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showing as $44,000, but it's, so we can figure out a way to make this work, but I'd hope

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that we wouldn't stop. Like I say, we have to put a lock on the gate at McNair. I just feel like that,

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particularly having met with the folks who are out there playing pickleball,

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or panic, and it's I think it would be problematic to do that.

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So thank you. Thank you. And my CR City Attorney has to stand up followed by our Vice Mayor.

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Thank you Madam Mayor. I just wanted to know a structural feature. It sounds like according to

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Ken there's some there is some ways of be looking at the budget allocation but the way this was bid. This work was bid.

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It was as as a combined project.

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And that means we're to be no longer a combined project.

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All the bids would have to be rejected and it would have to be rebid.

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So there's a time factor involved.

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I don't say that as if that should decide that drive the council's decision making.

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And as I said, it sounds like Ken has indicated some potential flexibility,

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but I just wanted the council to be aware of that sort of structural feature

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of how staff has set this up to move forward in terms of awarding the work. Thank you.

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Thank you for that information and vice mayor.

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So I just want to clarify so the 44,000 that's coming out of measure M for this project,

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it doesn't encumber measure M over the next 10 years at $41,000 a year in order to pay back that

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that that loan that we're taking out for the total amount is that correct?

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So the $40,000 a year to pay back the loan wouldn't come out of measure.

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And I'm

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not sure who you're asking that.

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I guess I'm happy to respond.

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So yes, that $44,000 would be budgeted every year for the next 10 years in order to pay back that

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That inner fun loan. Right, but is it budgeted through as measure M funds or it's not.

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Designated where that funding is coming from. We are, we have established it in the staff report as coming from measure M going forward that that payback funding source could change if the council decides. They want to change it, but it is established as it's written in the staff report as coming from measure M. That was my understanding. So I guess back to the question of hand, then is there another source that we can identify to pay back that loan?

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over the next ten years so we don't come

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or measure in funds for this purpose for that

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length of time. Our options are limited.

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What we're looking for is discretionary funds

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for payback and so the only other option that

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really comes to mind that's available for that

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is the general fund and we could you know

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do something down the road where half of the

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payback comes from the general fund so we

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could split the payback half of it measure

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in half of it general fund. There's a series of options but they really are our fund options are

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limited because it does need to come from a discretionary fund. I heard some a comment made

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about the impact fees and unfortunately impact fees are not available for this type of maintenance

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project. So that's another reason why we're just really restricted into our options for the payback

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of this interfun loan.

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Council and Madam Air, if I may,

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Cory, wouldn't there also,

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wouldn't we also have some issues

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regarding committing future general fund

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without voter approval?

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We would, well, we would probably,

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we would likely need to take the,

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the interfun loan back to council to amend the payback source.

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So again, that's just, you know,

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it is the council's decision on whether or not

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the payback comes from measure M or from the general fund

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for example, but we would likely need to amend that Interfen loan down the road if that's

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what is decided. Just like Peggy said, you know, the need is so great on the workforce

1048
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stabilization piece of what measure you, you know, is going for. So we just need to keep that in mind

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if we use the funding for a project of this nature it reduces funding in other areas.

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All

1051
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right, so thank you for that clarification, and so there is a motion still on the table from the vice mayor regard.

1052
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:38,080
Well, there's two.

1053
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One is the motion by Bernie and the second by Donald, but the vice mayor also has a motion about measure B, which does not yet have a second.

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So I'm going to let that sit there and see if anyone's going to come up a second.

1055
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:02,840
Madam Mayor.

1056
01:38:03,660 --> 01:38:05,240
Well, Councillor McCree.

1057
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:12,540
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I'd like to add B to my motion.

1058
01:38:14,560 --> 01:38:19,680
Okay. All right. Is that work with the second, the seconder?

1059
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I had one friendly suggestion to craft on this, while I believe the staff's interest

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in spending all of you prior to end of this fiscal year, just 2.5, and knowing that

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measure you funds above substance were split half, knee infrastructure and half in labor

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efforts, still seems to me that there's going to be some cash available and I'd like to

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see if the vice mayor is interested in calling a sporting proposition where it's measure M unless

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there's unexpended general funds at the end of fiscal year in which case it is all covered

1065
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by this year's general fund under expense rather than M for the future.

1066
01:39:11,940 --> 01:39:18,380
Well, first of all, I want to renegade Kernie's idea of adding M to his previous motion because then

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I can't vote against it, but it would be problematic, but I don't have an issue with the $44,000 for this year to get this project going.

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I do think that the project needs to be done.

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What I'm really uncomfortable with again is deciding for the next 10 years how measure M money is spent without the council weighing in on measure M and what sort of priority we want to give projects moving forward.

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And I understand that bifurcating look hazy off of this contract now is going to be problematic. So my motion has another complexity to it.

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But

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So I'm not sure what to do about that. And the ORO is also in a contingency on this bid as well, right? So it's another $100,000. So I guess if we can just reduce that down, so we're not being encumbered so much. And then we can re-look at it and use general fund monies instead of measure M. But I'm wondering if we would still move forward with this project.

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01:40:27,240 --> 01:40:30,780
But if we were deciding to do it with general fund instead of measure M,

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those are questions

1075
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and comments I'll put together.

1076
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Okay, so I have hands up by Kernie and King, and so David, did you want to say something

1077
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because Gabe may just still have a stand up on my chair?

1078
01:40:53,010 --> 01:40:57,930
Yeah, Del Auro is not an issue tonight.

1079
01:40:57,930 --> 01:41:13,410
We have two locations, McNeer and McKasey, both for lighting and court reconstruction, you know, I plan on voting for the staff proposal.

1080
01:41:14,090 --> 01:41:21,190
I clearly don't have any objection to examining in the future how the fund is paid back.

1081
01:41:21,770 --> 01:41:25,870
My concern is that this gets delayed. I'd like to see the contract wet.

1082
01:41:27,370 --> 01:41:42,150
As indicated in the council packet, and then perhaps staff can come back with some creative alternatives about paying it back if that's feasible.

1083
01:41:43,690 --> 01:41:47,910
I don't know that I agree that measure and money is inappropriate for this quite frankly, I think.

1084
01:41:48,570 --> 01:42:00,550
If it was, we wouldn't see it in the staff report, but in ours, my recollection that we're so limited with respect to the use of it, but I would like to see this kind of both of those contracts A and B.

1085
01:42:01,130 --> 01:42:09,810
I think the only one that's been pulled is B, but the lighting is on A. So those are those are my thoughts.

1086
01:42:09,810 --> 01:42:18,810
how we get there. I mean we can have separate votes if we need to. I would move if we need to to move item B as as

1087
01:42:19,630 --> 01:42:24,470
as prepared by the staff would be my motion on on three bit.

1088
01:42:25,670 --> 01:42:38,150
Okay, so I believe you're offering a kind of compromise that councilmember MacDonald also offered that we go forward with B

1089
01:42:38,150 --> 01:42:52,970
as it is drawn and direct staff that, looking toward the future, look to see whether there is money, other than money, going after this initial expenditure.

1090
01:42:53,630 --> 01:42:56,910
That's fine with me. I just don't want this to be a good way.

1091
01:42:57,870 --> 01:43:00,290
Councilmember Donald had suggested as well.

1092
01:43:00,290 --> 01:43:05,470
And as is that I would I would agree to the second decade courteous motion okay

1093
01:43:05,470 --> 01:43:08,650
Well, I just want to see how how the vice mayor are you okay with that

1094
01:43:09,990 --> 01:43:11,070
No, I'm not

1095
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:16,530
Because if there are no one the funds available then we are committing measure and funds

1096
01:43:19,050 --> 01:43:21,390
And I would vote against that

1097
01:43:21,390 --> 01:43:22,990
Okay, so councilmember

1098
01:43:22,990 --> 01:43:25,210
We continue it to January's meeting

1099
01:43:26,410 --> 01:43:29,230
Where we can come up with other funding for it

1100
01:43:29,230 --> 01:43:36,190
then I am kind of vote against free being. Okay so council member King also just offered

1101
01:43:36,190 --> 01:43:47,170
a motion to have be on its own. Correct. Okay so which I would I would second that just if you

1102
01:43:47,170 --> 01:43:53,570
don't mind removing that from your motions and second council member Cerny and MacDonald

1103
01:43:59,230 --> 01:43:59,770
Okay.

1104
01:44:02,390 --> 01:44:07,950
So before we take either of those votes, let's get Mr. Healy in here to talk about

1105
01:44:07,950 --> 01:44:14,030
F and see whether or not we can add that in voting. So, Council Member Healy.

1106
01:44:15,370 --> 01:44:19,130
Oh, if you're sure you want to do it that way, that's fine. Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1107
01:44:19,610 --> 01:44:25,290
So you all got the email from the Assistant City Manager this afternoon responding to questions

1108
01:44:25,290 --> 01:44:38,250
And my question was the bank for the buck question on on on three F, where we have, you know, 1.9 million dollars and fund balance left in our new account.

1109
01:44:38,930 --> 01:44:45,670
And we're kind of aggressively trying to not get more funds there because we don't want people to pay the in lieu fee.

1110
01:44:45,670 --> 01:44:58,930
And so the question is in my mind is, is this the best use of those funds or should we be trying to commit some funds to the two or three larger?

1111
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:12,580
Projects that are in the pipeline and help them to get the remaining grant funding that they need because the more money they have, the easier it is for them to compete for their remaining funds.

1112
01:45:14,660 --> 01:45:16,740
Mid-Pen, I think, is 28 units.

1113
01:45:18,240 --> 01:45:22,340
Burbank would be 50 and then there might be another one out there coming up soon.

1114
01:45:24,040 --> 01:45:35,760
So that was my heartburn on this one in the last paragraph of Mr. Cochran's memo or email he did suggest to compromise.

1115
01:45:36,340 --> 01:45:51,220
I know everyone is seeing basically it would take a three veteran low income unit and Brody Ranch and move that into the moderate category, which would reduce the cost of this total project total item from 235,000.

1116
01:45:53,080 --> 01:46:07,060
$67,000 I think that's a reasonable compromise and so I would be willing to support that as opposed to what was originally in the staff report. So I would make that a motion for for three.

1117
01:46:07,180 --> 01:46:08,340
Thank you.

1118
01:46:08,840 --> 01:46:12,600
Okay, so let's.

1119
01:46:13,140 --> 01:46:15,000
Is there a second for Mr.

1120
01:46:20,580 --> 01:46:38,660
Okay, so that's a second. Yes. Okay. All right. So, Mr. Curry, do you want to add F to your A, B, A, C, D, E, and F?

1121
01:46:38,660 --> 01:46:43,000
I would rather come with a separate.

1122
01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:47,920
Remotions. Let's have the courty motion is ACME.

1123
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:50,800
Is that correct? Mr. Gurney?

1124
01:46:52,220 --> 01:46:55,380
Okay, and the second is by councilmember McDonald.

1125
01:46:56,300 --> 01:46:58,860
Okay, so let's take that first.

1126
01:47:00,160 --> 01:47:03,240
Roll call please. Is there, yeah, we already did public comment.

1127
01:47:03,480 --> 01:47:04,440
Okay, so roll call.

1128
01:47:20,920 --> 01:47:30,440
Okay fine thank you and now we have Mr. King's motion was there a second on that you didn't you did not

1129
01:47:30,440 --> 01:47:38,200
I thought I did it but I wasn't certain so okay so this is a measure B as submitted by

1130
01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:42,320
We'll do roll call vote.

1131
01:47:43,180 --> 01:47:44,000
Barrett?

1132
01:47:44,440 --> 01:47:44,560
Yes.

1133
01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:45,700
Fisher?

1134
01:47:46,300 --> 01:47:46,520
No.

1135
01:47:47,500 --> 01:47:48,420
Healy?

1136
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:50,240
Yes.

1137
01:47:51,160 --> 01:47:51,740
Bernie?

1138
01:47:52,180 --> 01:47:52,820
Yes.

1139
01:47:53,580 --> 01:47:54,140
King?

1140
01:47:54,620 --> 01:47:55,020
Yes.

1141
01:47:55,600 --> 01:47:56,060
McDonald?

1142
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:57,340
Yes.

1143
01:47:58,180 --> 01:47:58,360
Yes.

1144
01:48:00,940 --> 01:48:02,200
Motion call for 6 to 1.

1145
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:03,500
Thank you.

1146
01:48:03,800 --> 01:48:05,120
And now we have Mr.

1147
01:48:08,480 --> 01:48:22,800
to change the funding as described in Assistant City Manager, Brian Cochran's email, which, of course, is not part of the record.

1148
01:48:23,580 --> 01:48:25,680
So, do someone want to read that?

1149
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:30,660
Did you want me to just briefly explain the proposal Madam Mayor?

1150
01:48:31,180 --> 01:48:31,320
Yes.

1151
01:48:31,320 --> 01:48:52,240
So the original staff recommendation would have allocated $235,000 from the city's in-loop housing fund to basically buy down the affordability of the last two units within the Brody Ranch subdivision from the moderate affordability level to the low affordability level.

1152
01:48:52,240 --> 01:49:00,600
the option that was proposed in the email would take a current unit that is up for resale.

1153
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:04,040
It's a three bedroom low income unit.

1154
01:49:04,700 --> 01:49:09,940
We would allow that to float up from low income to moderate income.

1155
01:49:10,600 --> 01:49:15,100
And there would be some savings to the city in doing that and then we would then repurpose

1156
01:49:15,100 --> 01:49:20,380
those dollars to buy down these two remaining units from moderate to low.

1157
01:49:20,380 --> 01:49:37,460
So, because we're using some of that subsidy, the cost, the overall cost to the city is less, and as Councilmember Healy mentioned, it would go down from approximately $235,000 from the Inloo Fund to about $67,000 estimate from the end of the fund.

1158
01:49:40,380 --> 01:49:49,420
Thank you, and I see two hands up. I don't know if those are still left up from before, or whether Councilmember King and Councilmember McDonald have something to say.

1159
01:49:50,480 --> 01:49:59,960
I don't. Sorry. There was left out from before. Sorry. Okay. McDonald and and I do and and yeah, this one. Give me

1160
01:50:01,980 --> 01:50:24,680
So, there were 23 units of affordable housing in the development and housing land trust came up with a $600,000 grant to try and get more. So, these would be two more units, which was on the table. Two more units, they brought 600,000. And we were going to propose to chip in some money for two additional more than their requirement.

1161
01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:33,260
And I want to make sure that so the 600,000 would get transferred into this alternate deal, that how this works.

1162
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:43,200
Yeah, the 600,000 I understand and our housing manager, Karen Shumizu may want to weigh into, but the 600,000 has already been put into the deal.

1163
01:50:43,340 --> 01:50:49,000
Those units have been bought down. Those I think actually have already been sold to moderate income buyers.

1164
01:50:49,000 --> 01:50:57,080
So those are done and we're really talking about the last remaining one bedroom and the last remaining two bedroom left at the development.

1165
01:50:57,700 --> 01:51:00,960
That's where the confusion comes in. They were committed to 23 units.

1166
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:09,620
Correct. Why are we saying last remaining if they've already delivered on the 23 required and this would push them above and beyond.

1167
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:19,100
Yeah, so the grant from the housing land trust would move us from 23 total affordable in this development to 25 total affordable in this.

1168
01:51:20,120 --> 01:51:28,680
If we were to go with the sort of option or the compromise proposal, we would then be down one. So we would be in between the two.

1169
01:51:28,680 --> 01:51:35,540
we would be at 24 total affordable units in in Brody Ranch. So we would still be one up

1170
01:51:35,540 --> 01:51:42,220
from our original, but we would there will be a slightly different mix of low versus moderate.

1171
01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:47,260
That's that's really the difference here. It's how many low versus how many moderate are in this

1172
01:51:47,260 --> 01:51:56,080
development. And the amendment that Mr. Healy is putting in reduces the number of low and increases

1173
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:57,920
is the number of moderate? Is that right?

1174
01:51:59,260 --> 01:52:02,920
Yeah, so the original proposal was to buy down two

1175
01:52:02,920 --> 01:52:05,780
moderate units to low, so we would have two additional low.

1176
01:52:08,660 --> 01:52:13,000
The compromised proposal effectively splits the difference, I guess you could say,

1177
01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:17,880
because we have one that has already come up for resale, so somebody had bought the unit.

1178
01:52:18,540 --> 01:52:24,360
They're now selling it. It rolls back into the program, but working with the housing

1179
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:31,160
land trust we've been presented an option where we could take it from low up to moderate. So it's

1180
01:52:31,160 --> 01:52:36,060
still affordable, still affordable, but it would be affordable at the moderate instead of the low

1181
01:52:36,060 --> 01:52:42,160
level. So there is really just an adjustment of the number of low units versus the number of moderate

1182
01:52:42,160 --> 01:52:50,760
units. And it's the number of low units that we are particularly behind on, isn't it? Yes. That's

1183
01:52:50,760 --> 01:53:09,320
So I will not be supporting this amendment, but we will, we can go ahead and take the vote on it. And then if it doesn't pass, we can just, I will make a motion to accept the staff's what the staff has put forward.

1184
01:53:09,320 --> 01:53:14,000
So do you want to do, unless there's more discussion on this?

1185
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:16,060
Okay, so let's vote.

1186
01:53:16,380 --> 01:53:19,200
Madam Mayor, I apologize to interrupt.

1187
01:53:19,320 --> 01:53:21,840
If I could just add one more bit of detail.

1188
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:23,800
And I think it's important as well.

1189
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:30,340
We have been working with housing land trust trust to try to get families qualified in these last two birdie ranch units.

1190
01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:35,260
And it really appears that the market has been a lot better for the low income units.

1191
01:53:35,260 --> 01:53:41,120
so we do have two families that are ready, they're pre-qualified, they're ready, they could go

1192
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:44,920
under contract pretty immediately for these two additional low units. So that was part of the

1193
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:49,420
reason for the original staff recommendations because we know that they're kind of ready to go

1194
01:53:49,420 --> 01:53:54,820
and we can serve those low-income families. Okay, immediately. Immediately, correct.

1195
01:53:56,980 --> 01:53:59,040
And can I follow up on that briefly?

1196
01:54:02,180 --> 01:54:06,060
So Brian, with the compromise, those two families could still

1197
01:54:06,060 --> 01:54:07,900
I'll move forward with those contracts, is that right?

1198
01:54:11,380 --> 01:54:15,700
With the compromise, the two families could move ahead

1199
01:54:15,700 --> 01:54:18,760
with those two units that are in question.

1200
01:54:19,540 --> 01:54:21,420
The only difference would be that yes,

1201
01:54:21,520 --> 01:54:23,640
when we go to remarket that three bedroom

1202
01:54:23,640 --> 01:54:24,620
that I mentioned earlier,

1203
01:54:24,840 --> 01:54:27,140
that would need to be marketed at the moderate level

1204
01:54:27,140 --> 01:54:28,460
instead of the low level.

1205
01:54:28,700 --> 01:54:29,300
Yes, that's good.

1206
01:54:32,100 --> 01:54:34,080
No, the roll call, though, please.

1207
01:54:35,220 --> 01:54:35,440
There?

1208
01:54:36,040 --> 01:54:36,400
No.

1209
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:36,440
No.

1210
01:54:37,290 --> 01:54:37,760
Fisher?

1211
01:54:38,320 --> 01:54:38,620
No.

1212
01:54:39,480 --> 01:54:40,180
Uly?

1213
01:54:40,580 --> 01:54:40,980
Yes.

1214
01:54:42,280 --> 01:54:43,220
Kerni?

1215
01:54:43,720 --> 01:54:44,180
Yes.

1216
01:54:44,660 --> 01:54:45,240
King?

1217
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:46,220
Yes.

1218
01:54:46,920 --> 01:54:47,340
McDonald?

1219
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:48,860
Yes.

1220
01:54:49,700 --> 01:54:50,240
Miller?

1221
01:54:51,000 --> 01:54:51,400
Yes.

1222
01:54:52,580 --> 01:54:54,840
Motion passes, order two.

1223
01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:56,040
Fine.

1224
01:54:56,520 --> 01:54:56,860
Okay.

1225
01:54:57,060 --> 01:54:57,940
Say that very much.

1226
01:54:59,620 --> 01:54:59,960
Thank you.

1227
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:02,940
Thank you. Now

1228
01:55:06,200 --> 01:55:32,780
we're moving on to unfinished business and this is item 4a and this is the adoption, the second reading of the ordinance, approving a zoning map amendment, zoning text amendment for the revised Casa Grande residential project, located at 240 and 250 Casa Grande and Mr. Hollister. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Good evening, good evening, council members. As you may recall,

1229
01:55:32,780 --> 01:55:40,240
on your December 7th agenda, the first readings of the Casa Grande zoning amendments for both

1230
01:55:40,240 --> 01:55:44,500
the zoning map amendments and zoning text amendment. We're now at unanimous vote. There's about

1231
01:55:44,500 --> 01:55:50,380
a five to two. So the second readings are on your regular agenda. A staff analysis has not

1232
01:55:50,380 --> 01:55:55,460
changed and we continue to recommend approval of the ordinances. I'm just going to wrap up my brief

1233
01:55:55,460 --> 01:55:59,400
presentation now and know what I'll be available for questions and comments. Thank you.

1234
01:55:59,400 --> 01:56:07,520
Thank you very much. And City Clerk is there any public comment that you have received on this item?

1235
01:56:08,620 --> 01:56:10,440
Madam Mayor, no comment on this item.

1236
01:56:11,300 --> 01:56:16,120
Okay, thank you. And so the moderator, would you please open public comment on this item?

1237
01:56:17,020 --> 01:56:27,600
Thank you, Madam Mayor. During public comment, the public is required to make comments on items of public interest that are within the City Council such manner of jurisdiction and for this specific agenda item.

1238
01:56:28,580 --> 01:56:30,980
Public comment, I eliminated three minutes for person.

1239
01:56:32,140 --> 01:56:36,620
At this point, we do have one member of the public with their hand raised.

1240
01:56:37,220 --> 01:56:38,600
I will now share my screen.

1241
01:56:42,770 --> 01:56:46,090
Taren Obey, I will now allow you to speak.

1242
01:56:46,350 --> 01:56:47,970
You can unmute yourself and get speaking.

1243
01:56:50,380 --> 01:56:51,740
Hi, City Council.

1244
01:56:51,940 --> 01:56:55,600
My understanding is the Casa Grande development.

1245
01:56:55,600 --> 01:57:25,580
I understand this by LeFranque, and he's a huge campaign contributor for a lot of you guys, and I get how important that is, but I'd really like to encourage the City Council to list their thinking to consideration that we're in a valley that's basically like a big training system, and the water comes down off of the hills, and it comes down off of the hill near where General Vale Jose

1246
01:57:25,580 --> 01:57:33,660
adobias, and it winds right there, and this development isn't 60% in the floodplain, right?

1247
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:35,060
Not good.

1248
01:57:35,660 --> 01:57:37,900
Not good in anyone's book.

1249
01:57:39,140 --> 01:57:44,300
Proper planning is anticipating what problems might happen.

1250
01:57:45,180 --> 01:57:51,960
When flooding happens, is Le Franche going to be paying for the liability, for the damage,

1251
01:57:51,960 --> 01:57:58,220
knowledge for the risk, for the maintenance of that Greek, because I know he's going

1252
01:57:58,220 --> 01:58:02,680
to be taking home all the profits, right? That's what developers do. But where's the

1253
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:15,800
balance here? This project is all about cronyism, crony capitalism, and this developer getting

1254
01:58:15,800 --> 01:58:24,040
all the benefits but leaving citizens taxpayers holding the bag, holding the bag of fear,

1255
01:58:25,100 --> 01:58:27,820
increased premiums for flood insurance,

1256
01:58:30,350 --> 01:58:33,850
cost to rebuild when parts of their property flood,

1257
01:58:35,030 --> 01:58:40,110
toxins and pesticides flooding their yards when floods happen?

1258
01:58:40,110 --> 01:58:43,990
Again, this is not good planning.

1259
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:54,910
I really struggle to understand how in the year 2020 we are stuck 50 years in the past

1260
01:58:55,490 --> 01:58:59,210
and looking at a project like this and even considering it.

1261
01:59:00,610 --> 01:59:02,890
So you voted on the project last meeting.

1262
01:59:04,430 --> 01:59:09,390
I would urge you to reconsider that and think towards the future.

1263
01:59:10,190 --> 01:59:12,950
Have any of you seen the movie Idiocracy?

1264
01:59:13,670 --> 01:59:16,270
It's a comedy about dystopian society.

1265
01:59:16,550 --> 01:59:21,170
Some point in the future where we so ignore our environment

1266
01:59:21,170 --> 01:59:24,630
and the way Mother Nature needs to function

1267
01:59:24,630 --> 01:59:29,810
and makes so many bad decisions that our future is an absolute joke.

1268
01:59:30,670 --> 01:59:38,870
This kind of a decision keeps us right on the path of antiquated thinking. It is bad business,

1269
01:59:39,370 --> 01:59:45,750
certainly bad planning, a bad decision. Please reconsider. Thank you.

1270
01:59:46,670 --> 01:59:47,510
Thank you.

1271
01:59:48,710 --> 01:59:52,170
And Madam Mayor, at this point, I do not see any other hands raised.

1272
01:59:53,490 --> 01:59:59,030
Thank you very much. And with that, we will close public comment and bring it back to the council.

1273
02:00:00,050 --> 02:00:04,350
And I have Council Member Miller has your hand up.

1274
02:00:06,700 --> 02:00:11,120
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I will move the item and point out that it is a seasonal creek.

1275
02:00:17,120 --> 02:00:32,500
I don't know who's that. Council Member Healey. Yeah. Okay. All right. So there's a motion by Miller and a second by Healey and we will take the vote by roll call.

1276
02:00:34,920 --> 02:00:35,480
No.

1277
02:00:35,480 --> 02:00:35,540
No.

1278
02:00:36,100 --> 02:00:37,080
Is there?

1279
02:00:37,400 --> 02:00:37,920
No.

1280
02:00:38,720 --> 02:00:39,520
Healing.

1281
02:00:40,160 --> 02:00:40,460
Yes.

1282
02:00:41,180 --> 02:00:41,640
30.

1283
02:00:42,240 --> 02:00:42,580
Yes.

1284
02:00:43,280 --> 02:00:43,560
King.

1285
02:00:44,100 --> 02:00:44,600
Yes.

1286
02:00:45,260 --> 02:00:45,740
McDonald.

1287
02:00:46,540 --> 02:00:46,760
Yes.

1288
02:00:47,460 --> 02:00:47,780
Miller.

1289
02:00:48,360 --> 02:00:48,720
Yes.

1290
02:00:50,100 --> 02:00:50,840
Motion passes.

1291
02:00:51,100 --> 02:00:51,580
Five to two.

1292
02:00:52,120 --> 02:00:52,880
Okay.

1293
02:00:53,060 --> 02:00:53,400
Thank you.

1294
02:00:53,640 --> 02:00:57,640
And I would just like to reiterate that I oppose this

1295
02:01:00,560 --> 02:01:08,980
development because over 60% of it is in the floodplain, and even as a seasonal creek,

1296
02:01:09,380 --> 02:01:16,980
it does flood in that area, and that necessary, that absolutely needs to be the kind of standard

1297
02:01:16,980 --> 02:01:22,720
that we have on the west side where we say we don't want flooding, we don't want building

1298
02:01:22,720 --> 02:01:23,560
in the floodplain.

1299
02:01:23,700 --> 02:01:26,480
Well, we don't want building in the floodplain on the east side, either.

1300
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:30,280
So I think we need to have the same standard for both sides of the wall.

1301
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:31,700
Thank you.

1302
02:01:31,880 --> 02:01:39,500
With that, we will move on to new business and resolution of 5A of intention to approve

1303
02:01:39,500 --> 02:01:44,840
an amendment in the contract between the Board of Administration of the California Public

1304
02:01:44,840 --> 02:01:50,980
Employees Retirement System and the City Council of the City of Petaluma in introduction

1305
02:01:50,980 --> 02:02:00,660
First reading of Norton has authorized the amendment to contract between the City Council of Pelluma and the Board of Administration of the California employment and tirements.

1306
02:02:02,960 --> 02:02:03,860
Mr. Cassie,

1307
02:02:10,140 --> 02:02:11,020
you are on mute.

1308
02:02:11,780 --> 02:02:12,700
I am. I'm sorry.

1309
02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:18,420
You think I'd be after nine months of doing this. I'd still get better at that. I apologize.

1310
02:02:19,780 --> 02:02:22,800
Good evening, Madam Mayor, Vice Mayor and Council members.

1311
02:02:22,800 --> 02:02:37,660
We're recommending that the City Council adopt the attached resolution of intention to approve an amendment to the contract between Board of Administration of California Public Employees Retirement System and the City Council of this Petaluma.

1312
02:02:38,460 --> 02:02:43,960
And we introduce the ordinance authorizing an amendment to the contract between City of Petaluma and CalPERS.

1313
02:02:44,960 --> 02:02:54,740
This is the third of three parts, when back in November of 18 of 2019, we adopted a successor

1314
02:02:55,640 --> 02:03:01,640
memorandum of understanding between the International Association of Firefighters and the City of

1315
02:03:01,640 --> 02:03:08,480
Petaluma, and that MOU included a negotiated employee cost share for members to find this classic.

1316
02:03:09,460 --> 02:03:17,400
January 1 of 2020, the cost share was increased of 9% to 10%, on July of 2020, the increase

1317
02:03:17,400 --> 02:03:25,980
went from 10% to 11%, and lastly on January 1 of 2021, it will go from 11% to 12%.

1318
02:03:27,100 --> 02:03:35,940
This would conclude the three parts of that agreement, and if you have any questions about

1319
02:03:35,940 --> 02:03:37,460
it, I'm here to answer them.

1320
02:03:37,460 --> 02:03:38,500
Thank you very much.

1321
02:03:39,560 --> 02:03:40,420
Thank you.

1322
02:03:41,300 --> 02:03:43,900
I do not see any hands raised.

1323
02:03:44,340 --> 02:03:46,060
So we'll go to public comments.

1324
02:03:46,320 --> 02:03:49,080
City clerk, have you received any public comment on this item?

1325
02:03:49,900 --> 02:03:50,960
No public comment on this item.

1326
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:53,300
Okay.

1327
02:03:53,780 --> 02:03:55,540
And so moderator.

1328
02:03:56,780 --> 02:03:57,680
Do you want to.

1329
02:03:57,960 --> 02:04:02,320
We will open public comment and see if there's anyone in the public who would like to.

1330
02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:09,760
Thank you Madam Mayor. During public comment the public is invited to make comments on items

1331
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:13,700
of public interest that are within the City Council subject matter and jurisdiction.

1332
02:04:14,340 --> 02:04:19,300
If this specific agenda item public comments are limited to three minutes for person. At this

1333
02:04:19,300 --> 02:04:22,880
point if anyone in the public would like to speak on this item please raise your hand.

1334
02:04:26,900 --> 02:04:29,320
In Madam Mayor at this point I did not see any hands raised.

1335
02:04:30,660 --> 02:04:35,560
Thank you. We will close public comment on this item and bring it back to the council

1336
02:04:35,560 --> 02:04:39,780
I see vice mayor fishers random. I was just going to move the item.

1337
02:04:42,100 --> 02:04:43,040
Councilmember Miller.

1338
02:04:45,670 --> 02:04:50,210
I'll second. Okay we have a motion by vice mayor

1339
02:04:50,210 --> 02:04:56,330
fisher second by councilmember Miller. If there's no further comment we will take a little call

1340
02:04:56,330 --> 02:04:56,590
that?

1341
02:04:59,020 --> 02:04:59,440
That?

1342
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:08,180
Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes, yes.

1343
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:24,880
Thank you very much. So item five, b, thank you. Extension of suspension of specified fiscal year

1344
02:05:24,880 --> 02:05:31,600
2021 annual consumer price index fee increases originally scheduled for July 1st 2020.

1345
02:05:35,540 --> 02:05:41,300
Thank you Madam Mayor and good evening Council members. Bringing a really an update item to you.

1346
02:05:42,360 --> 02:05:47,720
A back in June of this year the Council did approve a six month suspension of some cost of

1347
02:05:47,720 --> 02:05:52,880
living adjustments to the utility rates. So there normally would be some escalators from CPI

1348
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:59,180
increases that could go into effect July 1 for both our wastewater charges as well as our water charges.

1349
02:05:59,560 --> 02:06:03,520
Due to the pandemic and due to the impacts that a lot of our residents and businesses have

1350
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:09,020
been seeing, the council did opt to go ahead and delay those increases by six months.

1351
02:06:10,060 --> 02:06:17,400
So that delay would discontinue as of December 31st. The item before you is really to extend that

1352
02:06:17,400 --> 02:06:24,380
the way, if you will, from December 31st to February 28th. So those increases would not go into effect

1353
02:06:25,020 --> 02:06:32,140
until that time on March 1st. So with that, I'm happy to answer any questions on this item. Thank you.

1354
02:06:33,160 --> 02:06:38,760
Okay. Thank you very much. I have a hand up by Council Member. He leaves all the vice mayor

1355
02:06:40,520 --> 02:06:45,920
Thank you. So I think an extension on this till the

1356
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:49,140
end of February is a good start, but nobody expects the

1357
02:06:49,140 --> 02:06:53,240
pandemic or the economic shutdown to be done by then. You

1358
02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:55,780
know, President-elect Biden is talking about 100 million

1359
02:06:55,780 --> 02:06:59,460
shots and a 100-person days in office would, which would

1360
02:06:59,460 --> 02:07:02,900
get us to about the end of April. And I would like to ask

1361
02:07:02,900 --> 02:07:06,200
staff if we could modify, if you would have any objection to

1362
02:07:06,200 --> 02:07:11,980
the council, extending the suspension from what's proposed as the end of February to

1363
02:07:11,980 --> 02:07:13,700
instead the end of April at this time.

1364
02:07:18,900 --> 02:07:21,420
Are you asking staff of that question?

1365
02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:25,060
Yeah, I just want to know if there would be any reason not to.

1366
02:07:25,780 --> 02:07:31,040
Well, while they're thinking about the answer to that, I was wondering whether we couldn't

1367
02:07:31,040 --> 02:07:33,240
go to the end of the fiscal year myself.

1368
02:07:34,820 --> 02:07:36,140
I'd be happy with that too.

1369
02:07:36,140 --> 02:07:44,180
Yeah, so I just think realistically speaking, but I would like to hear staff's response to that question.

1370
02:07:45,640 --> 02:07:54,560
Yeah, and I think the only concern on that would be the effect on the fund balances for both the water and wastewater fund.

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02:07:54,900 --> 02:08:05,120
I will say that now that we have officially closed the books on fiscal 20 or fund balances are very slightly higher than what we have originally projected.

1372
02:08:05,120 --> 02:08:06,780
and so that's a little bit of good news.

1373
02:08:07,160 --> 02:08:09,520
So we have a little bit more cushion on water and wastewater.

1374
02:08:10,260 --> 02:08:12,340
You can see just for that two month period,

1375
02:08:13,320 --> 02:08:14,500
both funds combined.

1376
02:08:14,500 --> 02:08:17,180
We are talking about a $450,000 impact.

1377
02:08:17,860 --> 02:08:19,140
So if you have another two months,

1378
02:08:19,140 --> 02:08:21,980
that's likely another $450,000 impact.

1379
02:08:22,680 --> 02:08:24,180
So that is a little bit of a concern,

1380
02:08:24,440 --> 02:08:27,040
but I will also defer to Corey Garrelio.

1381
02:08:27,040 --> 02:08:29,100
She has any additional comments on that front.

1382
02:08:36,200 --> 02:08:36,800
Thank you.

1383
02:08:36,800 --> 02:08:43,260
30, 2020. And they have come in slightly higher than what was anticipated. So I don't, I don't

1384
02:08:43,260 --> 02:08:51,000
foresee a problem with us extending this out till April. And what about going to the end of the

1385
02:08:51,000 --> 02:08:56,700
fiscal year? Even to the end of the fiscal year would be fine. The majority of the reason why the

1386
02:08:56,700 --> 02:09:02,960
fund balancers are likely higher than what was estimated is because some of the capital projects

1387
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:11,100
move a little slower than anticipated because of the fires because of COVID. It's the disasters

1388
02:09:11,100 --> 02:09:15,580
and the staff time necessary to move the projects forward had just been slower than what was

1389
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:22,160
anticipated. So our fund balances are at a point where they could absorb the additional loss

1390
02:09:22,160 --> 02:09:27,580
through the end of the fiscal year. Thank you very much. So Mr. Haley, if you take that as a

1391
02:09:27,580 --> 02:09:38,460
friendly amendment. I would second your motion. Thank you. Okay so vice mayor Fisher followed by

1392
02:09:39,100 --> 02:09:43,680
council member king and council member Miller. Well that was going to be my very question as

1393
02:09:43,680 --> 02:09:48,740
could we go to the end of the fiscal year. So I'll be supporting the motion thank you. Thank you

1394
02:09:48,740 --> 02:09:57,000
council member king. I have the same idea. So I've lowered my hand. I'll be voting for the motion.

1395
02:09:57,580 --> 02:09:59,960
Councilmember Miller followed by Councilmember.

1396
02:10:01,180 --> 02:10:04,940
So that was the need to. Okay, so I'll support the motion.

1397
02:10:07,300 --> 02:10:09,620
And I mean, support also, but can I get

1398
02:10:09,620 --> 02:10:16,340
to read into the record or for the public benefit? What the, we expect the impact of the average,

1399
02:10:16,520 --> 02:10:17,700
to be to the average consumer?

1400
02:10:21,760 --> 02:10:27,280
Sorry, I'm happy to do that. So the savings per month on average is

1401
02:10:27,280 --> 02:10:33,740
approximately seven dollars. Just noting that's more than the garbage increase, you know,

1402
02:10:33,900 --> 02:10:38,220
that we're going through so many things going on right now. Thank you very much.

1403
02:10:39,400 --> 02:10:45,800
And thank you for that very timely comparison council member. So we have a motion by Haley

1404
02:10:45,800 --> 02:10:53,120
and a second by Barrett, and we will have a, oh, do we have a lot of water that was council questions

1405
02:10:53,120 --> 02:10:56,260
and now we can open the public part of the issue version.

1406
02:10:56,820 --> 02:10:58,080
Thank you, I was getting ahead of myself.

1407
02:10:58,620 --> 02:11:01,660
So did you get any public comment on this item?

1408
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:02,960
Not on the item.

1409
02:11:03,640 --> 02:11:06,040
Okay, and so I will ask our moderator

1410
02:11:06,040 --> 02:11:08,820
to open public comment on this item.

1411
02:11:09,660 --> 02:11:10,600
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1412
02:11:11,580 --> 02:11:12,420
During public comment,

1413
02:11:12,600 --> 02:11:14,480
public is advised to take comments on items

1414
02:11:14,480 --> 02:11:16,620
of public interest that are within the City Council

1415
02:11:16,620 --> 02:11:18,080
subject matter jurisdiction.

1416
02:11:18,640 --> 02:11:20,140
And for this specific agenda item,

1417
02:11:20,140 --> 02:11:28,520
public comments are limited to three minutes per person. At this time, if anyone in the public would like to speak on this item, please raise your hand.

1418
02:11:31,860 --> 02:11:35,220
And Madam there, at this point, there are no one with regards to raise.

1419
02:11:36,040 --> 02:11:39,560
Okay. Thank you very much. Now we'll bring it back for a roll call vote.

1420
02:11:40,420 --> 02:11:41,380
Close public comment.

1421
02:11:49,160 --> 02:11:51,500
Yes. Fisher? Yes.

1422
02:11:52,500 --> 02:11:53,320
Yes.

1423
02:12:03,720 --> 02:12:05,360
Thank you.

1424
02:12:06,720 --> 02:12:17,360
Now we are on item 5C which is the adoption of urgency organises to change certain appropriations for operations of the City of petalima from July

1425
02:12:17,360 --> 02:12:20,700
by one 2020 to June 30, 2021,

1426
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:23,300
and declaring the urgency very old

1427
02:12:23,300 --> 02:12:25,460
to take effect immediately.

1428
02:12:26,540 --> 02:12:29,520
Adoption of resolution committee reserve funds

1429
02:12:29,520 --> 02:12:32,280
for specific uses and adoption

1430
02:12:32,780 --> 02:12:36,360
of resolution updating the authorized

1431
02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:39,780
and funded permanent position schedule.

1432
02:12:40,340 --> 02:12:42,160
Corey Garberolio.

1433
02:12:42,880 --> 02:12:45,260
Thank you, Mayor Barrett and members of the City Council.

1434
02:12:45,260 --> 02:12:55,140
The city reviews its budget on a continual basis, three budget adjustment reports are typically presented annually one at first quarter one at mid year and the final year end.

1435
02:12:55,760 --> 02:13:02,440
The proposed first quarter budget adjustments before you this evening are to the adopted budget for fiscal year 2020 2021.

1436
02:13:03,120 --> 02:13:13,580
The majority of the budget adjustments presented are resulting from approved council action since July 1, 2020, along with prior year unused budget appropriations or carryovers.

1437
02:13:14,320 --> 02:13:18,420
A detailed list of all budget adjustments is included in the staff report.

1438
02:13:19,080 --> 02:13:22,920
Adjustments to non-general funds are mainly due to capital project changes and updates.

1439
02:13:23,960 --> 02:13:29,220
Gas B-54 does require that fund balances committed and released for specific purposes

1440
02:13:29,220 --> 02:13:31,660
be authorized by resolution of the city council.

1441
02:13:32,240 --> 02:13:39,000
We are recommending this evening the commitment of $258,558 of general fund reserves and that

1442
02:13:39,000 --> 02:13:47,360
is for 180,000 is for the general plan update as well as 77,000 for artificial turf replacement.

1443
02:13:47,780 --> 02:13:51,920
In addition, 400,000 for employee compensation is being released.

1444
02:13:52,860 --> 02:13:58,820
It is recommended in this evening that the City Council adopt the attached ordinances as urgency

1445
02:13:58,820 --> 02:14:06,140
ordinances to amend appropriations for the fiscal year ended June 30, 2021. Due to the ongoing

1446
02:14:06,140 --> 02:14:15,720
The ongoing challenges resulting from COVID, the urgency ordinances allow the budget to immediately reflect the updated amounts and ongoing analysis to continue without additional council action.

1447
02:14:16,620 --> 02:14:29,660
It is also recommended that the council adopt the resolution committed and releasing general fund reserves for specific uses along with the resolution updating the authorized and funded position schedule and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

1448
02:14:29,660 --> 02:14:30,660
I

1449
02:14:32,930 --> 02:14:39,770
do not see any hands up by the council members wait, I do now council member McDonald.

1450
02:14:40,810 --> 02:14:45,350
I'm sorry, I know we're moving really fast, but I do have a couple questions, the easy one.

1451
02:14:45,610 --> 02:14:53,230
I see the marina dredging and the docks are one of the items that are moving and they're

1452
02:14:53,230 --> 02:14:59,890
actually moving out the FY22 and so we're committing that this budget element.

1453
02:15:01,160 --> 02:15:29,980
I really would like to make sure that that happens. Is that a thing we can do is commit FY22 monies today with this motion. We wouldn't be doing that. What we're doing is we're moving or adjusting the budget this fiscal year. So our plan is to include it in in the 22 budget. Versus this fiscal year. So we're not so we're not committing fiscal year, we're not committing fiscal year 22 budget at this moment.

1454
02:15:29,980 --> 02:15:32,940
All we're doing is adjusting the fiscal year 21 budget.

1455
02:15:35,200 --> 02:15:36,280
Thank you very much.

1456
02:15:41,170 --> 02:15:44,090
Okay, so we will now go to public comment.

1457
02:15:44,890 --> 02:15:48,270
And city clerk, have you received any public comment on this item?

1458
02:15:49,230 --> 02:15:51,810
Mayor, there are no comments on this item.

1459
02:15:52,450 --> 02:15:56,910
Thank you and our moderator. Could you open public comment through those attendants?

1460
02:15:57,710 --> 02:16:03,390
Thank you, Madam Mayor. During public comment, the public is invited to make comments on items of public interest.

1461
02:16:03,390 --> 02:16:11,530
that are within the city council subject matter jurisdiction and for this specific agenda item public comments are limited to three minutes per person.

1462
02:16:12,310 --> 02:16:17,750
At this point, Madam Mayor, I do see one hand raised. So I'm going to share my screen real quick.

1463
02:16:20,770 --> 02:16:24,890
Bad pictures. I'm going to allow you to speak. You can unmute how your mic can begin speaking.

1464
02:16:24,890 --> 02:16:25,970
Thank

1465
02:16:28,690 --> 02:16:36,610
you. So, as part of this resolution, there are five trucks and one hybrid vehicle

1466
02:16:36,610 --> 02:16:44,210
that were the subject of much comment regarding the potential for those vehicles to be electric.

1467
02:16:44,870 --> 02:16:51,990
Because they weren't purchased but only encumbered in this fiscal year, this presents an opportunity

1468
02:16:51,990 --> 02:16:55,230
to reevaluate the purchase of those vehicles.

1469
02:16:55,870 --> 02:16:59,390
Ideally, we choose the most cost-effective approach,

1470
02:16:59,690 --> 02:17:02,350
which is to not waste city dollars

1471
02:17:02,830 --> 02:17:04,910
on fossil fuel vehicles.

1472
02:17:05,590 --> 02:17:09,690
These five trucks and one hybrid can be fully electric,

1473
02:17:10,030 --> 02:17:12,090
and I look forward to that conversation

1474
02:17:12,530 --> 02:17:14,530
as part of the upcoming budget process.

1475
02:17:15,030 --> 02:17:15,390
Thank you.

1476
02:17:20,220 --> 02:17:20,800
Thank you.

1477
02:17:22,840 --> 02:17:24,220
That's the only comment.

1478
02:17:24,720 --> 02:17:25,440
Yes, Madam Mayor.

1479
02:17:25,440 --> 02:17:30,440
Okay, thank you. With that, we'll close public comment and bring it back to the council.

1480
02:17:35,070 --> 02:17:40,710
So I'll move the item out of mayor. Okay. Thank you. We have a motion. I will second.

1481
02:17:42,770 --> 02:17:46,210
Okay, and that was the second by council member McDowell.

1482
02:17:46,850 --> 02:17:54,130
Okay, fine. Thank you. And any further discussion. Seeing none, we will have a roll call vote.

1483
02:17:56,450 --> 02:18:07,090
Yes, yes. Yes. Yes, yes. You. Yes. Yes. Aye. Yes, yes. Any masouls, yes.

1484
02:18:09,550 --> 02:18:10,370
Yes, Yes. Yes.

1485
02:18:10,370 --> 02:18:20,610
motion passes. An anivest. Okay. Thank you, and now we're on to item 5D the first quarter general fun financial forecast update.

1486
02:18:26,830 --> 02:18:27,430
Thank

1487
02:18:35,200 --> 02:18:45,960
you, Mayor Barrett, City Council members. We typically update the forecast twice a year at mid-year update, as well as in conjunction with the annual budget process.

1488
02:18:46,160 --> 02:18:53,400
This year given the ongoing pandemic, we are updating the forecasts more frequently, therefore we will be providing more frequent updates to council.

1489
02:18:53,400 --> 02:18:54,500
The

1490
02:18:59,050 --> 02:19:14,730
forecasting model use is in a constant state of improvement or always improving it to be more accurate and to forecast as accurately as possible. We've incorporated the fiscal year 20 financial results from the comprehensive annual financial report for the year ended June 30 2020.

1491
02:19:15,350 --> 02:19:24,510
We performed an analysis at first quarter of both revenues and expenditures and reviewed trends thus far compared to budget to determine if any adjustments are needed.

1492
02:19:25,130 --> 02:19:30,610
We've also updated all the long-term assumptions with the most recent factors affecting the

1493
02:19:30,610 --> 02:19:31,550
financials.

1494
02:19:32,150 --> 02:19:35,610
And we also go through and identify any long-term issues.

1495
02:19:39,520 --> 02:19:43,680
So this is a third forecast update since the onset of the pandemic and the first since

1496
02:19:43,680 --> 02:19:44,700
the November election.

1497
02:19:45,680 --> 02:19:50,620
From an economic standpoint, things have improved for Petaluma due to the one-cent sales tax

1498
02:19:50,620 --> 02:19:55,360
measure that was passed by Petaluma voters on November 3rd, but also remain challenged

1499
02:19:55,360 --> 02:19:58,840
due to continued revenue losses resulting from the ongoing pandemic.

1500
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:29,960
We continue to realize revenue losses in the general fund. Cells tax revenue was estimated to be down by about 1.4 million through June 30, 2020. In actual, actual losses actually came in within about 3% of that estimate at about 1.3 million. So it's slightly better than estimated but still a reduction of about 10%. General fund revenue losses are expected to continue into 21 and into the current year estimated at approximately 2 million, which has

1501
02:20:29,960 --> 02:20:34,720
been incorporated into the revenue budget. The general fund revenue categories impacted

1502
02:20:34,720 --> 02:20:39,800
include sales tax, which is the largest source of revenue for the city, representing roughly

1503
02:20:39,800 --> 02:20:46,980
about 25% of the general fund revenues, as well as property transfer tax permits and fees

1504
02:20:46,980 --> 02:20:53,000
and business license. As of today, we don't anticipate this to change. These estimates again

1505
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:59,140
were calculated by information provided by the sales tax consultant and analyzing sales tax

1506
02:20:59,140 --> 02:21:04,760
sectors and revenue transfer petalema. Of that 2 million and losses in the general fund,

1507
02:21:04,960 --> 02:21:11,860
cell text is expected to be down by about 1.3 million or about 10%, which is the result of

1508
02:21:11,860 --> 02:21:17,400
less revenues anticipated coming in from mainly auto cells in the transportation sectors,

1509
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:24,220
restaurants and retail as well. Losses are expected to continue into the near future and are included

1510
02:21:24,220 --> 02:21:26,100
in the forecast, much like a recession.

1511
02:21:28,160 --> 02:21:30,900
As everyone knows, this situation is fluid,

1512
02:21:31,080 --> 02:21:32,780
continues to change and evolve daily.

1513
02:21:33,000 --> 02:21:35,560
This continues to be challenging in terms of forecasting

1514
02:21:35,560 --> 02:21:37,880
because it is such a unique situation.

1515
02:21:38,720 --> 02:21:41,940
The impacts will largely depend on the duration of the event,

1516
02:21:42,280 --> 02:21:44,280
the longer the duration, the more difficult it will be

1517
02:21:44,280 --> 02:21:45,780
for everyone to recover.

1518
02:21:46,580 --> 02:21:50,660
While we've estimated these impacts, they could change.

1519
02:21:50,900 --> 02:21:52,200
There could be a different outcome.

1520
02:21:52,200 --> 02:22:01,260
We will continue to monitor them closely and address any changes or concerning trends we see and we'll bring forward any new information with forecast update

1521
02:22:02,540 --> 02:22:09,920
Business confidence remains challenged especially for small business unemployment rates have been have improved since March, but remained elevated

1522
02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:15,580
Sonoma County has remained in the purple tier for months the most restricted tier and is currently

1523
02:22:16,500 --> 02:22:20,440
Initial term place, which puts further strain on small businesses

1524
02:22:21,300 --> 02:22:31,400
the city continues to assist businesses and the community whenever possible with a variety of programs designated to provide financial assistance.

1525
02:22:33,970 --> 02:22:45,670
The TOT fund or transient occupancy tax fund has also experienced revenue losses of about 700,000 in last fiscal year and that is expected to continue into 21.

1526
02:22:45,670 --> 02:22:53,970
we've built in a $500,000 revenue reduction in the 21 budget. This is driven by less tourism expected

1527
02:22:54,400 --> 02:23:00,610
in the coming year. Given TOT desk provide resources to the general fund, this is another funding

1528
02:23:00,610 --> 02:23:06,510
area that will be closely monitored. The housing market continues to be challenged with supply

1529
02:23:06,510 --> 02:23:12,990
constraints driving the median home price up year over year. Recovery heavily depends, again,

1530
02:23:12,990 --> 02:23:18,830
on the duration of the event. So we will continue to monitor the financial results and quarterly bring

1531
02:23:19,570 --> 02:23:22,490
updates to council as we see necessary.

1532
02:23:26,330 --> 02:23:29,830
So we have updated the results for fiscal year 1920.

1533
02:23:30,630 --> 02:23:34,850
The general fund unassigned fund balance is slightly higher than originally forecasted at about

1534
02:23:34,850 --> 02:23:44,670
2.7 million. This is about a $380,000 increase over what was forecasted. As a reminder, this is the

1535
02:23:44,670 --> 02:23:49,210
balance that is programmed into the 21 budget and will be used to cover the

1536
02:23:49,210 --> 02:23:54,730
current fiscal year budget deficit of 2.4 million. Designated reserves are at

1537
02:23:54,730 --> 02:23:59,630
about 7.2 million. These reserves were generated from a series of one-time

1538
02:23:59,630 --> 02:24:04,790
revenues over the past several years as well as some expenditure savings

1539
02:24:04,790 --> 02:24:09,750
recognized from vacant positions. And then committed reserves are currently at

1540
02:24:09,750 --> 02:24:14,230
about 3.5 million. These are reserves that are committed by City Council of

1541
02:24:14,230 --> 02:24:16,410
for specific uses such as the general plan

1542
02:24:16,880 --> 02:24:18,290
and artificial turf replacement.

1543
02:24:22,380 --> 02:24:23,560
So first quarter revenues,

1544
02:24:23,760 --> 02:24:25,360
we did do an extensive review of revenues.

1545
02:24:25,640 --> 02:24:27,580
We have one adjustment on the revenue side,

1546
02:24:27,580 --> 02:24:29,320
which was just shown in the first quarter

1547
02:24:29,320 --> 02:24:30,620
budget adjustment document.

1548
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:33,820
And they are funds that are coming in from assigned reserves

1549
02:24:33,820 --> 02:24:36,840
that to fund the community outreach efforts

1550
02:24:36,840 --> 02:24:38,100
for fairgrounds planning.

1551
02:24:38,480 --> 02:24:41,140
This is directly offset by increased expenditures.

1552
02:24:41,660 --> 02:24:45,180
Also the new measure use sales tax is expected

1553
02:24:45,180 --> 02:24:51,400
of about 2.5 million during fiscal year 21, this represents revenues from when the tax becomes

1554
02:24:51,400 --> 02:24:59,960
effective on April 1st through June of 2021. Again, it's just an estimate. As time goes by and we are-

1555
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:29,240
Get more into the budget planning stages. We will be looking at this closer. So additional information will be available mid-year and again at budget workshops. And then just as a reminder, all expected losses resulting from the ongoing pandemic are incorporated into the 21 adopted budget. And we are expecting the revenue losses of about 2 million. And those are have been factored in. And at this point in time, the trends are in alignment with our expectations.

1556
02:25:29,240 --> 02:25:34,720
So we're not we're not recommended any further adjustments, but we'll continue to monitor it closely.

1557
02:25:35,660 --> 02:25:37,840
So overall revenues are up 2.6 million.

1558
02:25:40,870 --> 02:25:44,350
So this is just a table showing revenue changes by category that we just discussed.

1559
02:25:44,590 --> 02:25:47,910
Up overall about 5% compared to the original budgeted revenues.

1560
02:25:51,760 --> 02:25:53,480
Expenditures are adjusted as well.

1561
02:25:54,260 --> 02:25:58,900
With the first quarter budget adjustment salaries and benefits are up about 17,000.

1562
02:25:59,000 --> 02:26:00,520
This is due to negotiated contracts.

1563
02:26:00,520 --> 02:26:19,400
And it's an ongoing cost and services and supplies are increasing by about a hundred thousand associated with the community outreach and fairgrounds planning efforts transfers are up for a 10% grant match for a fire grant as well as an approved funding for the Kavanaugh roof replacement.

1564
02:26:19,400 --> 02:26:25,300
And then again, also added in are the new estimated expenditures for measure you.

1565
02:26:25,620 --> 02:26:29,520
So for purposes of illustrating the impact on the overall fund balance,

1566
02:26:29,720 --> 02:26:33,640
we have included it included measure you both revenue and expenditures.

1567
02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:40,180
But as additional discussions occur, a plan will be brought forward for consideration again at mid year.

1568
02:26:40,460 --> 02:26:43,580
And then discussions will continue into the 22 budget workshop.

1569
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:46,380
So total expenditures are up 2.7 million.

1570
02:26:48,670 --> 02:26:51,390
So, again, this is just a table for the expenditure side.

1571
02:26:51,970 --> 02:26:55,150
Expenditure is up about 4.9 percent compared to the original budget.

1572
02:26:59,870 --> 02:27:03,310
So, this is a table showing where we were in June and where we are today.

1573
02:27:03,610 --> 02:27:09,050
We've added and measured you, again, revenues and expenditures are estimated into the full

1574
02:27:09,050 --> 02:27:13,450
five-year forecast, which we'll talk about in a minute, but as far as fiscal year 21,

1575
02:27:14,150 --> 02:27:21,530
we originally projected 52 million in revenues, and this is actually up 2.6 million to 54.6

1576
02:27:21,530 --> 02:27:28,550
million expenditures are also projected to be up about 2.7 million to 57 million in total.

1577
02:27:29,210 --> 02:27:35,350
The NSI and beginning fund balance is up about 380,000 higher than what we had forecasted

1578
02:27:35,350 --> 02:27:41,490
due to higher year end results. All of this results in a slightly higher ending fund balance of

1579
02:27:41,490 --> 02:27:46,650
about 300,000 up from $477 ending balance projected in June.

1580
02:27:50,430 --> 02:27:52,170
So the next part of the forecast focuses

1581
02:27:52,170 --> 02:27:57,010
on the long-term modeling. The model includes incorporating economic impacts

1582
02:27:57,010 --> 02:28:02,810
expected from COVID and we've also added in measure U revenues and expenditures.

1583
02:28:02,810 --> 02:28:07,250
We've integrated a salary and benefit model that is very accurate. It uses each

1584
02:28:07,250 --> 02:28:13,910
employee's cost to forecast longer term expenditures. We've reviewed positions, payroll rates,

1585
02:28:14,070 --> 02:28:19,410
and included estimates for future retirement costs. We also verify and reconcile with the payroll

1586
02:28:19,410 --> 02:28:24,950
as well as reconciling the full-time equivalent positions with the budgeted authorized positions.

1587
02:28:29,920 --> 02:28:34,000
As I've mentioned, revenue losses resulting from the ongoing pandemic are built into the forecast.

1588
02:28:34,000 --> 02:28:36,740
We are expecting a slow recovery from the onset.

1589
02:28:37,460 --> 02:28:41,700
Given the rarity of this situation, the actual results could differ.

1590
02:28:42,040 --> 02:28:48,400
And as we monitor the ongoing and ever-evolving situation, we will bring forward any necessary adjustments.

1591
02:28:49,040 --> 02:28:58,500
Revenue assumptions include property tax. Property taxes are expected to increase about two and a half percent next year and two percent in the following years.

1592
02:28:58,680 --> 02:29:04,940
We will be doing additional analysis on property tax as we work our way through the 22 budget so that could change.

1593
02:29:05,800 --> 02:29:09,980
Sales tax losses are expected in every year the forecast period.

1594
02:29:09,980 --> 02:29:15,300
they do improve as we are slowly moving towards recovery and out of the

1595
02:29:15,300 --> 02:29:20,840
pandemic. Sales tax analysis does take into consideration business changes and

1596
02:29:20,840 --> 02:29:26,020
strong growth in food products construction as well as the county pool sector are

1597
02:29:26,020 --> 02:29:33,680
expected into the immediate future. Annual growth is estimated at about 3.5% which

1598
02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:38,960
could be somewhat conservative and could possibly be higher. So as we work closer

1599
02:29:38,960 --> 02:29:43,320
with our sales tax consultant and preparing the 22 budget that those numbers could change.

1600
02:29:44,340 --> 02:29:48,240
We are seeing moderate growth and transportation and business to business categories

1601
02:29:48,240 --> 02:29:52,840
into the out years of forecast. And again, measure use, sales tax estimates have been incorporated

1602
02:29:52,840 --> 02:29:59,820
and will be adjusted based on additional discussions. The transfer from the transient occupancy

1603
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:28,980
The impact remains flat when compared to the prior year. Tourism has taken a big hit which is evident in the city's TOT revenues. TOT revenues are expected to be down again by $500,000 in this current fiscal year. Slow recovery is expected in the out years. This could impact the funds available to transfer to the general fund. There is one additional hotel currently under construction that is expected to generate approximately 400,000 annually

1604
02:30:28,980 --> 02:30:34,940
when fully operational. And other revenue categories are growing between two and three percent annually.

1605
02:30:39,780 --> 02:30:44,700
The expenditure side includes estimates for the new measure you expenditures. It includes all

1606
02:30:44,700 --> 02:30:50,100
negotiated adjustments as well as future salary adjustments and employee step increases.

1607
02:30:51,040 --> 02:30:56,940
No additional employees other than those currently funded and authorized are included. At this point in

1608
02:30:56,940 --> 02:31:02,340
time, we continue to include potential type payouts as well as separation costs.

1609
02:31:03,340 --> 02:31:08,880
Purr's rights have been updated based on the most recent actuarial study that was released

1610
02:31:09,360 --> 02:31:11,120
just within the past six months.

1611
02:31:14,500 --> 02:31:17,880
And we've included workers comp at an increase of about

1612
02:31:17,880 --> 02:31:23,160
10 percent. This could be higher depending on the on the results of our most recent actuarial

1613
02:31:23,160 --> 02:31:25,640
study that's pending as we speak.

1614
02:31:29,610 --> 02:31:31,250
So these are other expenditure assumptions

1615
02:31:31,250 --> 02:31:34,690
recommendations that are recommended and have been included for forecasting purposes.

1616
02:31:35,190 --> 02:31:41,950
There is no changes in these categories included as the store-moder transfer at $592,300,000

1617
02:31:41,950 --> 02:31:46,910
for vehicle replacement and it transfers included to fund OCAD liability of $200,000.

1618
02:31:51,410 --> 02:31:55,950
So the modeling results show us ending the current fiscal year with the unassigned fund balance

1619
02:31:55,950 --> 02:31:59,730
as I've said about 300,000.

1620
02:31:59,730 --> 02:32:04,890
This is a slight improvement over the estimated ending fund balance of $477 that was

1621
02:32:04,890 --> 02:32:10,810
presented in June which is the result of a higher ending prior year ending fund balance.

1622
02:32:11,730 --> 02:32:16,530
At this time as are you revenues and expenditures have been estimated and are incorporated as

1623
02:32:16,530 --> 02:32:21,370
can be seen not only is the new revenue source sufficient to cover the projected structural deficit

1624
02:32:21,370 --> 02:32:27,370
every year it results in additional funds available for the many needs citywide a drastic improvement

1625
02:32:27,370 --> 02:32:33,190
over prior forecasts. It is estimated that revenues will be equal to expenditures annually and at the

1626
02:32:33,190 --> 02:32:39,970
end of the forecast period fiscal year 2526. The unassigned fund balance is estimated to be a

1627
02:32:39,970 --> 02:32:47,810
positive 700,000. Budget planning is beginning and priorities and critical needs will be identified

1628
02:32:48,420 --> 02:32:56,290
and we will bring a recommended budgeted balance plan forward for council to consider. We will also

1629
02:32:56,290 --> 02:33:01,490
will have additional discussions at mid-year and again at the 22-budget workshop.

1630
02:33:02,670 --> 02:33:08,650
The forecast model over the years has been very accurate, has assisted us greatly and

1631
02:33:08,650 --> 02:33:12,590
we will plan to continue to use it to help us plan for the future.

1632
02:33:16,420 --> 02:33:20,200
So in summary, the model results show the annual budget deficit is expected to be covered

1633
02:33:20,200 --> 02:33:25,640
by the new revenue source and additional resources will be available to address the many needs

1634
02:33:25,640 --> 02:33:31,140
citywide. It is expected at the end of that forecasting period that the overall fund balance

1635
02:33:31,140 --> 02:33:36,400
will be positive. As I mentioned, we are beginning budget planning and discussions and priorities

1636
02:33:36,400 --> 02:33:38,000
will be identified and brought forward.

1637
02:33:41,360 --> 02:33:44,400
There are some risks in the forecast to keep in mind.

1638
02:33:44,620 --> 02:33:50,580
COVID-19 impacts could be greater than estimated. It's been challenging to know just how long

1639
02:33:50,580 --> 02:33:56,440
we will be in this and so therefore we will just continue to monitor it and watch what our quarterly

1640
02:33:56,440 --> 02:33:58,820
financial trends look like.

1641
02:33:59,600 --> 02:34:02,880
PERS rates have been updated to reflect the most up-to-date

1642
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:06,080
actual-ereal report, but rates could increase more than

1643
02:34:06,080 --> 02:34:09,020
forecasted from factors such as

1644
02:34:09,020 --> 02:34:11,500
underperforming investments and assumption changes.

1645
02:34:12,040 --> 02:34:15,420
We will be reviewing the rates again with the budget process

1646
02:34:15,420 --> 02:34:19,200
that's currently underway and will incorporate any increases

1647
02:34:19,200 --> 02:34:21,100
into the 22 budget.

1648
02:34:22,320 --> 02:34:26,080
Worker's compensation increases are likely due to the increase

1649
02:34:26,080 --> 02:34:31,860
and claims and we will we will be looking at that closely as well and storm

1650
02:34:31,860 --> 02:34:34,280
water maintenance costs could be higher than forecasted.

1651
02:34:36,940 --> 02:34:38,080
There's opportunities

1652
02:34:38,080 --> 02:34:42,420
as well recovery could occur sooner than rather than later the duration will

1653
02:34:42,420 --> 02:34:47,380
determine the outcome. Tourism could bounce back sooner in Petaluma there are

1654
02:34:47,380 --> 02:34:50,940
additional hotel projects that are expected to generate additional revenues

1655
02:34:50,940 --> 02:34:57,860
when fully operational. All revenues will continue to be analyzed and we will

1656
02:34:57,860 --> 02:34:59,960
We'll continue to look for any new results.

1657
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:00,900
So

1658
02:35:04,320 --> 02:35:32,740
the bottom line, the pandemic challenges continue to threaten city revenue sources. The good news is that measure you sales tax will provide resources of the city hasn't historically had and they will be sufficient to cover the annual budget deficit and provide additional funding for needs citywide. But just as a reminder, the overall need far surpasses the available revenue. So it is crucial that we critical that we identify the critical needs and address them in the upcoming budget cycle.

1659
02:35:32,740 --> 02:35:37,360
We must also continue to maintain those emergency reserves for future disasters.

1660
02:35:38,260 --> 02:35:43,560
We have experienced ongoing disasters since 2017, and based on recent history,

1661
02:35:43,740 --> 02:35:46,960
the expectation is that this pattern unfortunately could continue.

1662
02:35:49,320 --> 02:35:53,080
The next immediate steps will be planning for the measure you spending.

1663
02:35:53,560 --> 02:35:57,960
And I think I'm going to pass it on over to the Assistant City Manager, Brian Cochran,

1664
02:35:58,400 --> 02:36:00,360
to go over this last slide of the presentation.

1665
02:36:02,590 --> 02:36:19,550
Thank you, Corey. Yeah, I just wanted to chime in on some of the next steps. And as I think you heard both Corey and Peggy alluded to earlier, you know, we're really excited. We're honored and we're thankful that the voters entrusted the city with the additional measure you revenues.

1666
02:36:19,550 --> 02:36:27,850
But there are a lot of decisions to be made and a lot of discussions to be had moving into the winter and into the spring.

1667
02:36:28,310 --> 02:36:31,890
And so I just wanted to update the council on that.

1668
02:36:32,190 --> 02:36:47,650
So we've already actually begun meeting department directors and the city manager have begun putting together some of the proposals that we think meet all of that great feedback that we got from the community, the priorities that were outlined in the measure you ordinance.

1669
02:36:47,650 --> 02:37:01,690
And those those top tier things that we really heard a lot of feedback from during our outreach session. So our intent is to really integrate this into the budget process, but we also want to do some really rollouts.

1670
02:37:02,070 --> 02:37:13,030
So our intent is kind of that late February early March time period before we're really into the heart of the public workshop portion of the budget process.

1671
02:37:13,030 --> 02:37:27,810
to bring some initial things forward to the City Council and some of those priorities which I know you've heard about today, we've heard about before and we'll continue to be speaking to the community and to the council about really a deficit elimination.

1672
02:37:28,750 --> 02:37:40,430
As Corrie alluded to, you know, we do have the deficit that we really need to measure revenues for workforce stabilization, making sure that we're providing those quality services that we've got a stable workforce to do so.

1673
02:37:40,430 --> 02:37:45,470
So, investing in infrastructure and making sure our roads are better than they are now and

1674
02:37:45,470 --> 02:37:50,330
then our facilities, our parks, our storm drains are taken care of, looking to the future

1675
02:37:50,330 --> 02:37:56,670
with climate action and reacting to the climate action framework that was recently examined

1676
02:37:56,670 --> 02:38:01,950
by the Climate Commission as well as the Council coming up here in January, diversity, equity

1677
02:38:01,950 --> 02:38:08,270
and inclusion, making sure that we're an equitable, equitable city for all petalumans and

1678
02:38:08,270 --> 02:38:15,110
then caring for our unsheltered and making sure that we have quality services for our most vulnerable

1679
02:38:15,110 --> 02:38:20,570
residents. So we will be bringing forward some of those immediate proposals that speak to some of

1680
02:38:20,570 --> 02:38:27,370
these categories early in the spring. And then also you'll see a big batch as well as we move into

1681
02:38:27,370 --> 02:38:33,290
the budget and starting to roll out the overall measure you program that I think really, you know,

1682
02:38:33,290 --> 02:38:39,990
So one of the key drivers for the staff and for the proposals that you'll see is really a balanced plan.

1683
02:38:40,310 --> 02:38:42,250
You know, we have a lot of different priorities here.

1684
02:38:42,870 --> 02:38:45,770
Many different things that our community is super interested in.

1685
02:38:46,370 --> 02:38:50,930
And we really want to balance the different needs, the different priorities with the available revenues.

1686
02:38:51,090 --> 02:38:58,730
And so I think you'll see that as we start to bring these proposals forward that we're trying to achieve the balance so that we can really move pedal in the forward.

1687
02:39:00,270 --> 02:39:01,030
Thank you, Corey.

1688
02:39:01,030 --> 02:39:24,290
Thanks Brian, so just to wrap up, this takes a significant amount of effort from many within the finance department as well as other outside departments. So I'd just like to say thank you to Isabel Kraft, who happens to be sitting right next to me right now for all of her work on this as well as an entire finance team and others who assisted in the process. Thank you, and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

1689
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:44,940
Okay. Thank you, Corey. Yeah, I know that that was a very good presentation and it actually I felt really fleshed out the discussion that you started with and I think it's pretty helpful for us to see exactly what the expectations are.

1690
02:39:44,940 --> 02:39:59,840
And putting those expectations in terms of budget priorities is really good for the council to get to see this, you know, no now as we look toward the beginning of the

1691
02:40:07,780 --> 02:40:08,380
So,

1692
02:40:10,620 --> 02:40:26,640
thank you for all the work you've done. It seems like this is year round. I'm sure it is, but it's really seen me even more like that now. Okay, so are there questions from the council?

1693
02:40:37,760 --> 02:40:47,720
So we have one hand up in the attendees. So I don't know city clerk, did you receive any information on this item?

1694
02:40:48,720 --> 02:40:50,780
Not a layer, no public comments are received.

1695
02:40:51,420 --> 02:41:00,460
Okay, and so moderator, can we open public comment and see what the public would like to say.

1696
02:41:01,480 --> 02:41:07,000
Thank you, Madam Mayor. During public comment, the public is invited to make comments on items

1697
02:41:07,000 --> 02:41:11,700
of public interest that are within the City Council subject matter jurisdiction and for

1698
02:41:11,700 --> 02:41:16,000
this specific agenda item. Public comments are limited to three minutes per person.

1699
02:41:17,140 --> 02:41:19,220
Madam Mayor, at this point I do see two hands raised.

1700
02:41:21,480 --> 02:41:23,500
Let me share my screen real quick.

1701
02:41:28,270 --> 02:41:32,890
First speaker we have is Ben Peters, followed by Lawrence. Ben, I will allow you to speak.

1702
02:41:32,890 --> 02:41:34,910
you can unmute yourself and begin speaking.

1703
02:41:38,360 --> 02:41:42,980
Thank you. At the next joint session with the Climate Action

1704
02:41:42,980 --> 02:41:53,080
Commission, one of the recommendations will be to include in the city's budget the amount of

1705
02:41:53,080 --> 02:42:03,360
financial resources we spend on utilities and gasoline. So I look forward to that component of our

1706
02:42:03,360 --> 02:42:12,580
cities budget being clear for the public to understand. So again, just to repeat, the Climate

1707
02:42:12,580 --> 02:42:21,180
Action Commission will be recommending that the city's consumption of fossil fuels be clearly

1708
02:42:21,180 --> 02:42:25,480
identified in the budget moving forward. Thank you.

1709
02:42:36,020 --> 02:42:38,720
Thank you, Ben. Lauren, now I speak. You can

1710
02:42:38,720 --> 02:42:40,520
and unmute yourself, and we can speak in.

1711
02:42:41,900 --> 02:42:42,760
Thank you.

1712
02:42:43,440 --> 02:42:48,820
I'm not sure if this is more appropriate to Corey or Brian, but the illusion towards

1713
02:42:48,820 --> 02:42:54,300
the budgetary increase for workers' compensation, and I'm not sure if we're allowed to get

1714
02:42:54,300 --> 02:43:00,200
a rebuttal or further information, where is that information coming from?

1715
02:43:00,440 --> 02:43:08,600
Why do we anticipate workers' claims to be increasing to a significant increase in our

1716
02:43:08,600 --> 02:43:10,080
city budget. Thank you.

1717
02:43:14,270 --> 02:43:17,870
Thank you. I'm out of merit at this point. I do not see any other hands raised.

1718
02:43:18,550 --> 02:43:23,470
Okay. Thank you. With that, we'll close the public comment and we'll bring that question back to staff.

1719
02:43:25,730 --> 02:43:35,930
Sure. So over the past couple of years, the claims and workers comp have increased and are

1720
02:43:35,930 --> 02:43:43,170
Our actuarial consultant that pulls together the actuarial study compiles all of that data.

1721
02:43:44,270 --> 02:43:50,510
And the expectation is that the claims will not decrease, that they will continue to increase.

1722
02:43:50,810 --> 02:44:00,430
And that is largely thought to have been the result of mandatory overtime staffing that's

1723
02:44:00,430 --> 02:44:02,930
not sufficient to handle the increased demand.

1724
02:44:03,650 --> 02:44:05,010
There's a series of reasons.

1725
02:44:05,010 --> 02:44:07,370
and so that is the reason why we're anticipating

1726
02:44:07,370 --> 02:44:08,970
the cost increase to continue.

1727
02:44:14,150 --> 02:44:15,090
Thank you.

1728
02:44:15,710 --> 02:44:18,290
Okay, so public comment is closed,

1729
02:44:18,910 --> 02:44:22,270
and now we will bring it back to council,

1730
02:44:22,750 --> 02:44:25,010
and council member McDonald,

1731
02:44:25,450 --> 02:44:26,930
followed by council member Miller.

1732
02:44:28,330 --> 02:44:28,850
Thank you.

1733
02:44:29,370 --> 02:44:31,930
I just wanted to one thanks staff

1734
02:44:31,930 --> 02:44:35,010
for an incredible clarity and confidence in this.

1735
02:44:35,030 --> 02:44:38,290
It covers all matters here and really well done.

1736
02:44:38,470 --> 02:44:38,790
Thank you.

1737
02:44:38,790 --> 02:44:49,230
And then also to thank the public for measure you and know that helps us run the city we need to run so it's really great that we see that again.

1738
02:44:49,890 --> 02:44:57,430
Two points of concern were one that the measure you funding is additional. It's not to replace the deficit funding.

1739
02:44:57,430 --> 02:44:59,970
I mean we already had this year in balance and so

1740
02:45:00,340 --> 02:45:30,180
On the whole of measure you should be for the new things we need to do both on the labor front, on the capital front. And so I'm looking knowing how long it takes to ramp up any of those things. I'm looking forward to what creative things staff will bring forward to show we can actually spend that this year. This is no point in carrying it over to the next year and asking the same staff to do two years work in the second year. And then the other point that there's a note in the report saying that Petlam has a strong food and beverage cluster.

1741
02:45:30,180 --> 02:45:38,680
and employment and that gives me to think a lot of that is below average median wage or income

1742
02:45:38,680 --> 02:45:44,840
and yet our housing is driving up. You know we need to think about this kind of connectivity

1743
02:45:44,840 --> 02:45:51,100
between housing and wage because when they're out of sync they burden a transportation system

1744
02:45:51,100 --> 02:45:57,340
for one which everybody notices but it also burdens the climate and so we need to have our housing

1745
02:45:57,340 --> 02:46:03,020
and our employment linked up and perhaps that's more a topic for general plan than a budget but

1746
02:46:03,020 --> 02:46:05,700
it's important to note the related. Thanks.

1747
02:46:08,100 --> 02:46:10,720
Thank you. Councilmember Miller.

1748
02:46:11,800 --> 02:46:20,920
So I'd like to thank Corey again for really easy to understand presentation. You make financial

1749
02:46:20,920 --> 02:46:26,800
issues understandable for people who aren't involved in finance and that's a real art and I

1750
02:46:26,800 --> 02:46:36,040
truly appreciated. My only comment was you know we the city has now been given additional funding

1751
02:46:36,040 --> 02:46:44,740
by our residents and it's very important that the funding is used for the priorities that our

1752
02:46:44,740 --> 02:46:50,740
residents have identified and quite frankly that's the reason that they voted to give us this

1753
02:46:50,740 --> 02:47:08,380
additional funding and so I just want to make sure that the the future council is mindful of that and that we follow through on what we promised and what our community requested that we use this additional funding for and those are my comments thank you.

1754
02:47:09,680 --> 02:47:19,220
Thank you very much and I don't see any other hands up so with that we will thank staff for a great presentation and look forward to

1755
02:47:19,220 --> 02:47:41,080
the next steps. So thank you, thank you both. Okay. And now we are on to the public hearings. And this is where we've changed the agenda. And so we are moving directly into item six C.

1756
02:47:43,970 --> 02:47:49,830
So is that Mr. Carney who will be speaking to us on item six C.

1757
02:47:49,830 --> 02:48:04,110
Thank you. Excuse me. Thank you, Mayor. We're here to actually allocate some funds that were unspent in the last two block grant years and we have to do that through an amendment of our action plan.

1758
02:48:04,110 --> 02:48:16,890
We have $34,661 total of those funds came from $11,472,1819

1759
02:48:16,890 --> 02:48:24,230
program year and $23,169 from the 1920 program year.

1760
02:48:24,690 --> 02:48:30,790
I do want to point out that this is the fourth proposed amendment or actually the Council has approved other amendments.

1761
02:48:30,790 --> 02:48:41,830
This year mainly just from the new COVID money, so every time we change our allocation or our plan for the block grant funds, we have to do an amendment.

1762
02:48:42,090 --> 02:48:45,950
So that's what we're proposing to do tonight for your consideration.

1763
02:48:46,570 --> 02:48:54,490
We're proposing that we allocate the funds to the two nonprofits where we have existing contracts to.

1764
02:48:54,490 --> 02:49:03,550
So one of them would go to the rebuilding together nonprofit that increased their funding by 26,000, $61.

1765
02:49:04,250 --> 02:49:16,030
That would allow us to allow rebuilding together to rehab six more homes and there would be the homes they're looking at funding to rebuild and rebuild rehab.

1766
02:49:16,990 --> 02:49:20,410
The seven seniors that live in those units.

1767
02:49:21,670 --> 02:49:26,190
So that would bring their total funding to over 246,000

1768
02:49:26,190 --> 02:49:27,790
for this last year or so.

1769
02:49:29,130 --> 02:49:31,970
The other project we'd propose funding

1770
02:49:31,970 --> 02:49:36,670
is for the PEP property on Clawfield Lane.

1771
02:49:37,150 --> 02:49:41,710
It would add $8,600 to do two more units

1772
02:49:41,710 --> 02:49:43,370
with HFAC systems.

1773
02:49:44,170 --> 02:49:47,710
And this last go round we had some,

1774
02:49:47,710 --> 02:49:56,970
again, COVID money to improve 10 of the units, so 17 units in the property, so we're kind

1775
02:49:56,970 --> 02:49:59,790
of moving towards getting the whole property done, hopefully.

1776
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:12,800
So, with that, we're recommending that the council consider conducting a public hearing to consider the fourth amendment of the block grant funds for this year.

1777
02:50:15,500 --> 02:50:29,540
And then adopt the resolution for rebuilding together for the $26,061 and for the Petal Luma project for $8,600 and authorize the city manager to execute the subreddit.

1778
02:50:31,500 --> 02:50:34,680
So we're just adding to those with that.

1779
02:50:34,920 --> 02:50:38,020
I'll answer any questions and turn it back to the mayor.

1780
02:50:39,240 --> 02:50:41,000
Thank you very much and.

1781
02:50:41,720 --> 02:50:45,820
Is there any questions from staff of staff from the council?

1782
02:50:46,500 --> 02:50:48,360
Seeing no hands raised.

1783
02:50:48,920 --> 02:50:53,100
We'll open the public hearing and I would like to ask the city clerk

1784
02:50:53,100 --> 02:50:55,660
if there's been any public comment on these items.

1785
02:50:56,420 --> 02:50:57,080
Not a mayor.

1786
02:50:57,300 --> 02:50:59,020
We received one public comment,

1787
02:50:59,020 --> 02:51:06,060
which is posted to the website. Thank you very much. So moderator, can we open the public comment

1788
02:51:06,060 --> 02:51:11,860
for the public hearing on this item? Thank you Madam Mayor. During public comment,

1789
02:51:12,160 --> 02:51:16,360
the public is invited to make comments on items of public interest that are within the city council

1790
02:51:16,360 --> 02:51:21,360
of subject management jurisdiction and for this specific agenda item. Public comments are limited

1791
02:51:21,360 --> 02:51:26,720
to three minutes per person. At this point, if anyone in the public would like to speak on this item,

1792
02:51:26,720 --> 02:51:27,780
please finish your hand.

1793
02:51:28,700 --> 02:51:32,620
In Madam Mayor, it does look like I have two attendees

1794
02:51:32,620 --> 02:51:33,260
with the hands raised.

1795
02:51:34,700 --> 02:51:37,560
The first one I have is Lawrence.

1796
02:51:39,020 --> 02:51:42,820
Lawrence is this for this item or still from the last item.

1797
02:51:49,030 --> 02:51:49,890
Lawrence, you're unmuted.

1798
02:51:50,050 --> 02:51:54,270
It's your hand raised for this particular item or for the last item still.

1799
02:52:01,580 --> 02:52:05,440
Let's come back to Lawrence and go to the next speaker and see.

1800
02:52:05,700 --> 02:52:07,380
Perhaps he just left his handbook.

1801
02:52:07,380 --> 02:52:13,220
That's great. Ben Peters, I'll now allow you to speak. I'm yourself and against speaking.

1802
02:52:14,720 --> 02:52:22,080
Thanks. So when you read through our community development block grant funding formulas,

1803
02:52:22,900 --> 02:52:30,660
one of the unfortunate realities is a significant portion of our funds go to support

1804
02:52:32,140 --> 02:52:38,480
non-minority communities. In other words, if you read the reports, a lot of the funding

1805
02:52:38,480 --> 02:52:46,400
goes towards older Caucasian individuals, which while are certainly indeed, we should

1806
02:52:46,400 --> 02:52:55,220
really refocus our efforts so that less than 90% of these funds go towards a more equitable

1807
02:52:55,220 --> 02:53:04,820
portion of our population. So an easy way to do that would be to redistribute the $8,000

1808
02:53:04,820 --> 02:53:12,420
that's going to to HVAC replacement units and to just give all the money to rebuilding together.

1809
02:53:13,000 --> 02:53:21,100
They wrote a very nice letter. They obviously have a lot of families in need and so that $8,000

1810
02:53:21,100 --> 02:53:28,800
would stretch much further and touch many more families than two low-income seniors.

1811
02:53:29,580 --> 02:53:38,740
Again, it's not that they're not in need of heating, but $8,000 to replace an HVAC unit in

1812
02:53:38,740 --> 02:53:45,980
this day and age really should be reconsidered. Number one, are we funding fossil fuel infrastructure?

1813
02:53:45,980 --> 02:53:51,020
Number two are those HVAC systems participating in

1814
02:53:51,020 --> 02:53:53,880
Sonoma Clean Power and the Grid-Savvy program.

1815
02:53:54,160 --> 02:54:00,260
There should be more thought into how we use city funds

1816
02:54:00,260 --> 02:54:04,800
to spend on our heating and cooling systems.

1817
02:54:05,460 --> 02:54:12,620
With $8,000, you could buy 50 to 100 HEPA air filters

1818
02:54:12,620 --> 02:54:19,800
and distribute them to low-income families across our community so that they

1819
02:54:19,800 --> 02:54:27,360
have better indoor air quality and less exposure to COVID-19. Again, we're

1820
02:54:27,360 --> 02:54:35,180
talking about a hundred families, not two families, and that's just with

1821
02:54:35,180 --> 02:54:46,100
the $8,000 and so I really encourage you guys to think more about how we spend our funds

1822
02:54:46,100 --> 02:54:55,340
wisely in this community and it has to do with a diverse population that is in need.

1823
02:54:55,340 --> 02:54:56,780
And thanks.

1824
02:55:01,740 --> 02:55:11,060
Thank you. Madam Mayor, at this point, I do not see any other hands raised. Okay, thank you. We will close the public comment and bring it back to the council.

1825
02:55:13,860 --> 02:55:15,120
For action.

1826
02:55:19,270 --> 02:55:23,130
We would like to make a move. I see Mr. Healy, Zanda.

1827
02:55:25,170 --> 02:55:31,010
Thank you. So I would move staff recommendation. Okay, and councilmember Miller.

1828
02:55:34,450 --> 02:55:37,710
I'll second. So we have a motion by you.

1829
02:55:37,710 --> 02:55:43,810
and the second by Miller and we will go ahead and have a roll call vote.

1830
02:55:45,390 --> 02:55:48,650
Yes, is there? Yes.

1831
02:55:49,390 --> 02:55:50,590
Healy? Yes.

1832
02:55:51,550 --> 02:55:52,810
Are we? Yes.

1833
02:55:53,470 --> 02:55:54,490
Yes. Yes.

1834
02:55:55,310 --> 02:55:58,730
McDonald? Yes. Miller. Yes.

1835
02:55:59,450 --> 02:56:02,150
Motion passes unanimously. Thank you.

1836
02:56:02,150 --> 02:56:24,210
Thank you very much. And now we're going to item 6B, which is the public hearing to consider adoption, the second reading of an ordinance approving the second amendment to the franchise agreement between the city and recology cinema Marin and approval of the resolution setting maximum refuse.

1837
02:56:25,330 --> 02:56:34,730
And recycling rates and that will be Patrick Carter will be doing the presentation and explain the little process that we need to go to.

1838
02:56:35,010 --> 02:56:35,650
Thank you.

1839
02:56:35,970 --> 02:56:52,610
Thank you, Madam Mayor. At this point, I'd like to introduce this item. I'm going to share my screen with the brief PowerPoint on this that will look pretty familiar with the last time we talked on this issue two weeks ago.

1840
02:56:52,610 --> 02:56:59,750
So I believe that's, is that showing up correctly on everybody else's screen here

1841
02:57:03,330 --> 02:57:04,150
in no objection.

1842
02:57:04,550 --> 02:57:11,650
So this is an item to discuss the ordinance, the second reading of the ordinance,

1843
02:57:11,870 --> 02:57:17,190
amending the franchise agreement between the city of Paloma and Recall,

1844
02:57:17,190 --> 02:57:25,970
in and a resolution setting the maximum rates for garbage for refuse and recycling in

1845
02:57:25,970 --> 02:57:26,810
at Luma.

1846
02:57:30,190 --> 02:57:35,790
I'm getting a note that this isn't in presentation mode so let me change that

1847
02:57:35,790 --> 02:57:37,110
real quick and

1848
02:57:41,940 --> 02:57:43,580
try to reshare this.

1849
02:57:49,360 --> 02:57:54,820
All right so a little easier to see this time. So briefly

1850
02:57:54,820 --> 02:58:00,720
going to go into why this is necessary. The key negotiation details comparison of rates with

1851
02:58:00,720 --> 02:58:06,820
the city of Pelluma and other cities in the county within Sonoma County and then the next steps

1852
02:58:07,360 --> 02:58:13,240
because this is the public hearing we'll be asking to take a brief recess at the conclusion of

1853
02:58:13,240 --> 02:58:18,440
the public hearing so we can tally any votes that may have come any protest notes that may have come

1854
02:58:18,440 --> 02:58:23,740
two city hall just before the end of this item.

1855
02:58:24,080 --> 02:58:27,700
So with that, why is this needed and why now?

1856
02:58:28,220 --> 02:58:29,940
So one Recology Assume,

1857
02:58:30,120 --> 02:58:34,060
this franchise agreement from the city of Petaluma in 2018,

1858
02:58:34,570 --> 02:58:36,720
it had a structural deficit on day one,

1859
02:58:37,680 --> 02:58:40,920
multi-million dollars, four million dollars plus.

1860
02:58:42,120 --> 02:58:46,560
So while some companies can bear this for a period of time,

1861
02:58:46,560 --> 02:58:53,480
it's clear that this is not a sustainable long-term operation with those severe deficits.

1862
02:58:55,020 --> 02:58:59,380
And those deficits will continue until revenue collected matches the expenses.

1863
02:59:00,340 --> 02:59:07,540
So the services that Recology provides are essential. The refuse pickup, the street sweeping,

1864
02:59:08,280 --> 02:59:13,020
all the other services that they do, if they're not doing it, somebody else has to.

1865
02:59:13,760 --> 02:59:17,120
and so we took that into account in our analysis.

1866
02:59:17,340 --> 02:59:20,060
We had a third party come in and look at their audited

1867
02:59:20,060 --> 02:59:24,480
financial statements and determine that loss was there.

1868
02:59:25,060 --> 02:59:26,640
And so if it doesn't come from ecology,

1869
02:59:26,700 --> 02:59:28,080
then it's coming from somebody.

1870
02:59:29,580 --> 02:59:34,080
So we need to make sure that we have a sustainable partner

1871
02:59:34,080 --> 02:59:36,160
with us providing those essential services.

1872
02:59:37,100 --> 02:59:41,180
On top of that, on top of inheriting that structural deficit,

1873
02:59:41,180 --> 02:59:43,760
that there are new state mandates coming down,

1874
02:59:43,900 --> 02:59:47,520
so new state requirements that are making us reduce

1875
02:59:47,520 --> 02:59:50,200
what we're putting into the landfill, specifically,

1876
02:59:50,580 --> 02:59:53,740
things that are organic, things that used to be food,

1877
02:59:54,640 --> 02:59:56,220
you know, things that used to be living.

1878
02:59:56,920 --> 02:59:59,200
So food waste is a huge part of that.

1879
02:59:59,420 --> 02:59:59,960
We were...

1880
03:00:08,000 --> 03:00:14,960
So, these are large reductions and that's compared to 2014. So, these are large reductions in

1881
03:00:14,960 --> 03:00:29,980
food waste. These are, they're fines involved if states and counties don't meet these goals. So, we, we need our partner to help us achieve those goals. So, there's no enforceable

1882
03:00:29,980 --> 03:00:37,200
by the state until 2022. So this really in the next year, year and a half is when all the cities

1883
03:00:37,200 --> 03:00:43,060
throughout the state are gearing up to meet these requirements and get programs in place.

1884
03:00:44,460 --> 03:00:50,600
So it requires participation by all members to reduce their food waste. There's going to be

1885
03:00:50,600 --> 03:00:55,740
ordinances that the city is going to need to consider that the state's requiring to implement

1886
03:00:55,740 --> 03:01:00,940
for mandatory participation in certain diversion programs,

1887
03:01:01,260 --> 03:01:02,420
of waste reduction programs,

1888
03:01:02,800 --> 03:01:05,920
and reducing contamination to the landfill,

1889
03:01:06,600 --> 03:01:07,980
to the different, you know,

1890
03:01:08,420 --> 03:01:10,280
reducing recycling contamination,

1891
03:01:10,700 --> 03:01:13,060
reducing organics composting contamination,

1892
03:01:13,620 --> 03:01:16,260
all sectors there, residential and commercial.

1893
03:01:16,980 --> 03:01:19,740
It's going to require that cities and counties

1894
03:01:19,740 --> 03:01:22,640
buy recycled products in a procurement procurement,

1895
03:01:22,640 --> 03:01:28,300
So this could include purchasing more mulch for projects

1896
03:01:28,300 --> 03:01:29,240
throughout the city.

1897
03:01:30,240 --> 03:01:32,620
It also requires edible food recovery.

1898
03:01:32,840 --> 03:01:37,560
So there's a number of organizations out there that will show

1899
03:01:37,560 --> 03:01:43,020
off during non-COVID times and take food that is fit for human

1900
03:01:43,020 --> 03:01:48,220
consumption and get that to people in need, people that are hungry.

1901
03:01:49,160 --> 03:01:57,360
And so those programs out there will need to be in place through this state law, this SB 1383 state law.

1902
03:01:58,600 --> 03:02:14,960
And there's organizations out there, the City of Pedaluma is a member of Zero Waste Sonoma, which is a regional agency focused on waste issues and they've recently applied for a grant to help promote food, edible food recovery programs.

1903
03:02:14,960 --> 03:02:18,920
So stay tuned in the future for more information on that.

1904
03:02:19,980 --> 03:02:23,800
And then as I mentioned, there's local enforcement of state requirements.

1905
03:02:24,100 --> 03:02:33,180
So that ties into the ordinances that the state is asking cities to enact in their jurisdictions.

1906
03:02:34,060 --> 03:02:42,440
And there's also a link on the slide for more information for those interested in the states requirements with SB 1383.

1907
03:02:42,440 --> 03:02:53,100
So the key negotiation details, what staff looked at is, is how could we reduce the rate increase needed to the minimum amount?

1908
03:02:53,260 --> 03:03:04,400
How could we make ecology whole, but at the same time reduce that rate increase to our residents and our businesses as much as possible?

1909
03:03:04,400 --> 03:03:21,020
So the first bullet on here is reduced city franchise fees so the cities for going about 1.18 million dollars of franchise fees that otherwise would be due had we increased the rates by the amount which we called you required to make ends meet.

1910
03:03:22,000 --> 03:03:28,600
So essentially the city is proposing to buy down the rate increase needed by for going those franchise fees.

1911
03:03:29,540 --> 03:03:33,340
We staggered the rate increases through July 1, 2022.

1912
03:03:34,060 --> 03:03:38,780
So rather than having a fall impact right after the rates go into effect,

1913
03:03:38,800 --> 03:03:42,600
which has happened in most of the other cities that have gone forward with this,

1914
03:03:43,200 --> 03:03:50,760
we're spreading those increases out over the next 18 months to try and lessen the initial shock on that.

1915
03:03:51,720 --> 03:03:58,140
And you'll see tables in just a second that show how that impact changes over time.

1916
03:03:58,880 --> 03:04:22,260
Free participation in food waste programs, so right now residents can put all their food waste in their green can right now. So if you don't have a green can for those you out there, talk to ecology, get that green can and put whatever food waste you have in there into it and potentially look at downsizing your garbage can if you're throwing a lot of food into your garbage currently.

1917
03:04:22,260 --> 03:04:26,920
it's a free program won't cost you any more and if you reduce your garbage can you can actually

1918
03:04:26,920 --> 03:04:36,460
save some money on that. Other aspects of this negotiated outcome are standardized collection

1919
03:04:36,460 --> 03:04:42,520
container colors. So, you know, this franchise has been passed down through a number of different

1920
03:04:42,520 --> 03:04:47,690
companies over the years. There's some containers that don't quite fit them all to, you know, there's

1921
03:04:47,690 --> 03:04:54,670
burgundy chance in some places instead of gray chance in most of places SB 1383 that state law

1922
03:04:54,670 --> 03:04:56,310
I've been talking about requires

1923
03:04:57,150 --> 03:04:59,750
containers to be standardized so reducing

1924
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:29,980
The confusion of people putting their materials where it should go. So that's going to be part of this program. There's a contamination reduction program, which benefits both businesses and residences, additional outreach throughout the city to promote composting and purchasing of additional equipment and hiring additional personnel to increase that composting. So that's what that's what the city and its residents and businesses get out of this.

1925
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this deal.

1926
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Looking at the proposed maximum rates for residential,

1927
03:05:39,060 --> 03:05:42,640
our current rates are really competitive

1928
03:05:42,640 --> 03:05:43,960
throughout the county.

1929
03:05:44,140 --> 03:05:45,480
We're on the lower end of the spectrum.

1930
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We'll get into that shortly.

1931
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But this is what I wanted to point out

1932
03:05:49,240 --> 03:05:51,400
that if the ordinance is passed

1933
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and the resolution is adopted, these are the current rates

1934
03:05:56,020 --> 03:05:59,920
through January 31st in this first row here.

1935
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The first rate increase would be February 1st of 2021.

1936
03:06:05,240 --> 03:06:09,140
The next rate increase would be July 1st of 2021.

1937
03:06:10,300 --> 03:06:14,640
And then the final rate increase would be July 1st of 2022.

1938
03:06:14,980 --> 03:06:19,800
So a year later, we have a stipulation in the agreement

1939
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that Recology has to do those services provide those services that we discussed related to 1383, the increased organics diversion.

1940
03:06:31,700 --> 03:06:43,620
And once they have proven that they've implemented all those programs, then the city would issue a notice to them, which would essentially increase the rate by 3.8%.

1941
03:06:43,620 --> 03:06:51,600
So instead of 28.9% rate increase, it would be 32.7, which is this bottom row here.

1942
03:06:53,980 --> 03:07:00,740
This is a comparison of residential rates through the rest of the county. Currently we're in row three.

1943
03:07:01,500 --> 03:07:08,340
So we're near the lower end of the spectrum in terms of cost for garbage and recycling and compost service.

1944
03:07:09,140 --> 03:07:14,980
with the rate increases at the end at July 1st, 2022.

1945
03:07:15,460 --> 03:07:18,700
We're we're solidly in the middle of the pack there.

1946
03:07:19,780 --> 03:07:24,580
And it's just because there's no really good way to compare the rates.

1947
03:07:24,880 --> 03:07:28,460
Because we're talking about future rates, we're talking about 2022.

1948
03:07:29,120 --> 03:07:32,460
And we don't know what the rates are going to be throughout the county at that point.

1949
03:07:32,960 --> 03:07:36,320
We're comparing future rates to current rates.

1950
03:07:36,320 --> 03:07:52,680
So even with that caveat be that as it may, we're still pretty solidly in the middle of the pack in terms of residential rates compared to our neighbors throughout Sonoma County onto commercial rates.

1951
03:07:53,080 --> 03:07:56,560
It's the exact same process that we just talked about.

1952
03:07:56,560 --> 03:08:06,080
rate increases would happen February 1st of 2021 July 1st 2021 and July 1st of 2022 with that same

1953
03:08:06,880 --> 03:08:12,980
notice to the Recology if they've implemented all those programs. And so these are the rates

1954
03:08:12,980 --> 03:08:20,120
for both garbage and organic waste. So organic waste does not include food waste. So the food waste

1955
03:08:20,120 --> 03:08:25,680
program would be free for commercial programs for commercial customers. This is just the other

1956
03:08:25,680 --> 03:08:29,920
organic waste like green waste and tree trending things like that.

1957
03:08:30,700 --> 03:08:36,020
So the food waste program would be free, but the organic waste program is about 75%

1958
03:08:36,020 --> 03:08:38,140
of what the garbage rates would be.

1959
03:08:40,570 --> 03:08:47,430
And then comparing the commercial rates for Petluma and the rest of the county, Petluma

1960
03:08:47,430 --> 03:08:51,810
is currently in the middle of the pack and in a row, I believe, six here.

1961
03:08:52,510 --> 03:09:00,130
With these rate increases, again, comparing future rates for Petaluma to current rates for the rest of the county.

1962
03:09:00,730 --> 03:09:05,530
Petaluma is on the higher end of the spectrum for commercial rates.

1963
03:09:09,270 --> 03:09:15,230
So in terms of the next steps, we recommend staff recommends opening up public hearing at this meeting.

1964
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this allows for a prop to a team majority protest opportunity.

1965
03:09:21,330 --> 03:09:28,050
So if after the public hearing is done and the number of notices are counted,

1966
03:09:28,470 --> 03:09:32,150
if there's not a majority protest 50% plus one,

1967
03:09:33,550 --> 03:09:36,170
that are opposed to these rating increases,

1968
03:09:36,810 --> 03:09:40,350
the council can go forth with the adoption,

1969
03:09:41,110 --> 03:09:45,210
consideration of adoption of the second amendment and the approval of the

1970
03:09:45,210 --> 03:09:47,230
the resolution setting maximum rates.

1971
03:09:48,170 --> 03:09:50,130
And if that happens, then the rates would increase.

1972
03:09:50,250 --> 03:09:54,870
As I've already discussed, February 1, 2021, July 1, 2021,

1973
03:09:54,970 --> 03:09:56,970
and July 1, 2022.

1974
03:09:58,110 --> 03:09:59,950
So with that, that concludes.

1975
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It includes my presentation. And I'd be happy to answer any question the council has on this issue. Thank you. Sorry for interrupting you. Okay. So, is there anyone on the council who has any questions? This is a recap of what we have already heard. So I don't see any hands going up. So this is a public hearing.

1976
03:10:28,160 --> 03:10:36,060
and we will now ask the city clerk if she has received any comments on the

1977
03:10:36,060 --> 03:10:41,980
side of Madam Mayor 13 comments were received prior to this meeting those

1978
03:10:41,980 --> 03:10:47,540
comments have been posted online. Thank you very much and can I ask our moderator

1979
03:10:47,540 --> 03:10:51,400
to see if there's anybody in attendance who would like to speak to the

1980
03:10:51,400 --> 03:10:51,720
in this item.

1981
03:10:54,320 --> 03:10:55,300
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1982
03:10:56,380 --> 03:11:03,100
During public comment, the public is invited to make comments on items of public interest that are within the city council of subject matter jurisdiction.

1983
03:11:04,100 --> 03:11:08,260
And for this specific agenda item, public comments are limited to three minutes per person.

1984
03:11:10,210 --> 03:11:13,470
At this point, I do have a couple of hands raised, so I'll share my screen real quick.

1985
03:11:21,380 --> 03:11:27,000
So the first speaker we have is Lawrence followed by M Bennett.

1986
03:11:28,020 --> 03:11:33,060
Lawrence, I will allow you to speak on your self against speaking.

1987
03:11:39,730 --> 03:11:45,570
I guess is the Lawrence has left his hand up but is no longer interested in speaking.

1988
03:11:45,910 --> 03:11:49,370
I think he's the same person who spoke to items ago.

1989
03:11:49,750 --> 03:11:53,210
Yes, he had put his hand down and rose at the end.

1990
03:11:53,450 --> 03:12:00,870
So at this point, I'd like to ask and then to unmute your mic and begin speaking.

1991
03:12:05,910 --> 03:12:11,710
Good evening. Good evening. This is Marty Bennett, former executive director of North Bay

1992
03:12:11,710 --> 03:12:19,270
Jobs at Justice and instructor emeritus at history at SRJC. I am speaking to you tonight.

1993
03:12:20,210 --> 03:12:26,690
In my capacity as a consultant for Teamsters 665, there represents the workers at Recology.

1994
03:12:26,690 --> 03:12:30,830
I want to urge you to adopt the proposed new rates.

1995
03:12:31,550 --> 03:12:38,290
The proposed rates reflect in part a sea change concerning employee compensation and

1996
03:12:38,290 --> 03:12:40,870
working conditions for the city's waste hauler.

1997
03:12:41,770 --> 03:12:49,910
Workers employed by Rado approached Teamsters 665 in 2016 and informed us about the low wages,

1998
03:12:50,230 --> 03:12:52,930
inadequate benefits, and hazardous conditions.

1999
03:12:52,930 --> 03:12:58,630
In response, Teamsters initiated an organizing campaign, and

2000
03:12:58,630 --> 03:13:02,770
Johnson Justice built a community support network for the workers.

2001
03:13:03,430 --> 03:13:17,290
In May of 2017, Rado workers voted overwhelmingly by a 271 to 31 margin in an LRB election to join Teamsters 665.

2002
03:13:17,290 --> 03:13:23,970
After Recology purchased Rato, the union and the company agreed to a five-year contract.

2003
03:13:24,890 --> 03:13:29,710
By 2023, wages for drivers will roughly double.

2004
03:13:30,530 --> 03:13:38,610
The typical driver now earns $27 an hour plus another $11 to $12 an hour in benefits

2005
03:13:38,610 --> 03:13:43,790
that include comprehensive family health insurance and retirement benefits.

2006
03:13:43,790 --> 03:13:55,290
This dramatic improvement of employee compensation has occurred during a period of skyrocketing inequality in the North Bay and across the Bay Area.

2007
03:13:56,510 --> 03:14:06,690
Because of their excellent wages and benefits, 85% of the Recology workforce can live locally in Sonoma or Marin counties.

2008
03:14:06,690 --> 03:14:11,670
Many more private sector companies must replicate the compensation

2009
03:14:11,670 --> 03:14:16,330
for ecology employees and George to promote equitable development

2010
03:14:16,330 --> 03:14:20,610
along the 101 corridor that includes good jobs and

2011
03:14:20,610 --> 03:14:24,130
infill affordable housing nearby transit hubs.

2012
03:14:24,870 --> 03:14:29,210
Also, health and safety conditions for drivers have greatly improved.

2013
03:14:29,950 --> 03:14:34,190
Recology has already replaced 100 non-compliant trucks

2014
03:14:34,190 --> 03:14:41,270
and the entire fleet of rattled trucks and heavy equipment will be replaced over the next three years.

2015
03:14:41,990 --> 03:14:47,290
Workers are no longer exposed to unhealthy levels of toxic exhaust fumes,

2016
03:14:47,750 --> 03:14:52,190
and drivers do not operate unsafe trucks that frequently break down.

2017
03:14:53,150 --> 03:14:59,710
Moreover, worker safety is greatly enhanced as the company strictly adheres to weight limits for each vehicle.

2018
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,940
Council, set by the state. In short, bad jobs with poverty wages at Rado have been transformed into good jobs with family support. I'm sorry, Mr. Bennett, at this time, the three minutes is ended. Madam mayor, that was the last public speaker. Okay, thank you very much. We'll close public comment and bring the public hearing back to the council. And at this time, okay, Patrick, did you want to

2019
03:15:29,940 --> 03:15:35,980
say something? Yeah, Madam Mayor. I'd like to ask for a five-minute recess so I can go check the

2020
03:15:36,500 --> 03:15:41,260
box in front of City Hall to make sure or just see if there are any votes in there.

2021
03:15:41,600 --> 03:15:45,760
I've been checking it periodically through the evening but I'd like to do one last one before.

2022
03:15:46,900 --> 03:15:51,620
Thank you. So would that take a five-minute recess and then we will come back and find out

2023
03:15:51,620 --> 03:15:59,580
the results of what Mr. Carter finds and then we will take action on this item. So five minutes

2024
03:15:59,940 --> 03:16:06,720
10.05 10.06 will be back in session we're currently recessed. Thank you. I

2025
03:16:48,380 --> 03:16:55,220
think we'll wait for Peggy and Kathy and Eric before we go back on. Are we live right now?

2026
03:16:56,040 --> 03:16:57,100
Yes, we are.

2027
03:16:57,100 --> 03:17:09,900
Okay. We're giving our city manager city attorney counsel member Miller's back. Good. Okay. So we're just waiting on two people before we start the meeting.

2028
03:17:43,250 --> 03:17:50,250
Okay. Our city attorney's not here, but I think he was going to be away for some section of this meeting.

2029
03:17:50,250 --> 03:18:02,970
So there he is. Okay. I apologize, Madam Mayor. That's all right. We was just going to get ready to get started. We're back from recess and we will reconvene the meeting and I will turn it over to Mr. Carter.

2030
03:18:03,870 --> 03:18:11,670
Thank you Madam Mayor. So just to summarize the results. If you'd like me to share my screen, I can show you the actual actual results.

2031
03:18:11,670 --> 03:18:21,030
But we had 10 votes prior to me checking and with the zero votes that we added to that total, we still have 10 votes in opposition.

2032
03:18:22,150 --> 03:18:30,150
As the city clerk mentioned, there were some other letters that were included and there were letters of support, which I did not include in this tally.

2033
03:18:30,770 --> 03:18:35,550
So that's why you don't have the, it doesn't add up to 13.

2034
03:18:35,550 --> 03:18:38,970
but we had two letters of opposition prior to this meeting

2035
03:18:38,970 --> 03:18:41,610
that were included in this.

2036
03:18:41,970 --> 03:18:45,030
So I have a total of 10 votes in opposition.

2037
03:18:45,310 --> 03:18:49,990
The majority protest threshold would be 9,459.

2038
03:18:50,490 --> 03:18:53,290
So we do not have a majority protest metamayer.

2039
03:18:53,810 --> 03:18:55,450
Okay, thank you very much.

2040
03:18:55,850 --> 03:18:59,150
And we will then come back to the council.

2041
03:18:59,270 --> 03:19:01,610
And I see council member Kerney, your hand is up.

2042
03:19:02,630 --> 03:19:04,710
Yes, Madam Mayor, I'd like to move the item.

2043
03:19:05,510 --> 03:19:05,910
Okay.

2044
03:19:08,570 --> 03:19:20,370
Thank you, Madam Mayor. There was some placeholder language in the resolution itself that referred to three protest votes.

2045
03:19:20,910 --> 03:19:31,150
I would like to recommend that if the council wishes to approve this item that the that be changed from three protest votes to 10 votes in protest.

2046
03:19:31,150 --> 03:19:35,450
and with that amendment, the resolution would be correct.

2047
03:19:36,290 --> 03:19:38,990
And is that the amendment is friendly? Thank you.

2048
03:19:39,270 --> 03:19:42,070
Okay, so there is a motion with that amendment

2049
03:19:42,070 --> 03:19:43,850
and council member MacDonald.

2050
03:19:44,610 --> 03:19:46,070
You'd like to second? Thank you.

2051
03:19:46,350 --> 03:19:47,090
Well, to second.

2052
03:19:47,370 --> 03:19:50,090
So we have a motion, my current is second by MacDonald

2053
03:19:50,730 --> 03:19:53,250
and we will take, it will call vote.

2054
03:19:54,570 --> 03:19:57,350
All right. Yes, Bishop?

2055
03:19:57,890 --> 03:19:58,230
Yes.

2056
03:19:58,970 --> 03:19:59,530
You know what I mean?

2057
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:29,080
Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. McDonald. Yes. Miller. Yes. Motion, pathos unanimously. Okay. Thank you. And thank you very much. And as we will be moving on now to item 6a, which is a resolution denying three appeals filed by Margie and Todd Terrell.

2058
03:20:30,260 --> 03:20:37,520
Jason and Elsa Beatty and Bonnie Spindler and upholding the historic and cultural preservation

2059
03:20:37,520 --> 03:20:43,860
committees approval of historic site plan and architectural review with modifications

2060
03:20:45,100 --> 03:20:54,260
for the Haas residents at 266 Street and we will hear from Brittany Bendix to start this

2061
03:20:54,260 --> 03:20:54,620
off.

2062
03:20:57,850 --> 03:21:02,950
Good evening, Councilmembers, W.D. Pliny, Minister for an Eventics here presenting tonight

2063
03:21:02,950 --> 03:21:07,450
for the Haas Residential Rear Model at 266 Street Appeal.

2064
03:21:10,980 --> 03:21:16,100
I'm going to go over a brief overview of the staff report, touching on the background,

2065
03:21:16,380 --> 03:21:22,340
the project description, HCPC consideration in the appeals, project modifications since

2066
03:21:22,340 --> 03:21:29,940
the HCPC hearing, the standards of review, conditions of approval, CEQA, public comment, and the

2067
03:21:29,940 --> 03:21:36,800
staff recommendation. To start, I want you to know that for the background and initial project

2068
03:21:36,800 --> 03:21:43,440
description, I've used the same slides that I prepared for the HCPC presentation to give

2069
03:21:43,440 --> 03:21:48,040
you a sense of the information that was put in front of them, as that's one concern raised in

2070
03:21:48,040 --> 03:21:54,540
the appeals. The only additional language that I've added have shown here in italics. So we're

2071
03:21:54,540 --> 03:22:01,180
looking at a 15,000 square foot lot in an R3 zoning district within the A street, A street historic district.

2072
03:22:01,680 --> 03:22:09,140
It contains a single family 4,240 square foot home with a recently constructed ADU at the rear at the rear.

2073
03:22:09,720 --> 03:22:14,820
It's in the West sub area of the general plan, which contains a mix of commercial and residential uses.

2074
03:22:15,540 --> 03:22:21,720
And has a designation of diverse load and city residential, which is 6.1 to 12 units per acre.

2075
03:22:21,720 --> 03:22:25,820
for this particular property that translates to about two to four units.

2076
03:22:27,060 --> 03:22:31,760
This property is also within a 15-minute walk to downtown Smart Station.

2077
03:22:33,240 --> 03:22:36,640
The project description, the initial project description,

2078
03:22:37,400 --> 03:22:45,220
and again in the A3 historic district, which is characterized by popular styles between 1816 and 1925.

2079
03:22:45,220 --> 03:22:51,280
The building was constructed in 1905 by a local master architect, architect Breiner Jones.

2080
03:22:52,300 --> 03:22:58,120
It features a transitional bungalow style, which is characteristic of Breiner Jones architecture

2081
03:22:58,930 --> 03:23:06,140
with characteristics such as a hip roof, hip roofed armors, box eaves, regular and symmetrical building footprint.

2082
03:23:06,140 --> 03:23:12,260
a decorative half-width porch, front bay window, a belly band belt course to

2083
03:23:12,260 --> 03:23:17,160
lenienting the levels of the building, fish scales, shingles, detailed window trim

2084
03:23:17,160 --> 03:23:21,960
and laws and sheep pains in the front window. There are also rare dishes that

2085
03:23:21,960 --> 03:23:28,860
occurred in 1910, 1923, and sometime after 1937, with a date unknown for enclosure

2086
03:23:29,400 --> 03:23:35,280
of the side porch. Related to the scope of work, as initially proposed, it included

2087
03:23:35,280 --> 03:23:42,000
excavation of the existing basement and crawl space by approximately 6 foot 3 inches to accommodate

2088
03:23:42,000 --> 03:23:50,360
a full partially below grade story of approximately 4,210 square feet. I wanted to add in here that

2089
03:23:50,360 --> 03:23:55,240
based on structural engineering review, the greatest excavation depth may increase to

2090
03:23:55,240 --> 03:24:01,140
accommodating footings in engineered fill. Additionally, demolition of the existing rear building

2091
03:24:01,140 --> 03:24:09,520
features to accommodate a rear horizontal addition projecting, sorry, at most 40 feet in 4.25 inches

2092
03:24:09,520 --> 03:24:15,260
from the primary rear building wall. Additionally, removal of roof features to enable the rear addition

2093
03:24:15,260 --> 03:24:20,980
and provide additional light to the rear programmed interior. Construction of an approximately 590

2094
03:24:20,980 --> 03:24:27,560
square foot one story addition off the rear of the house with an additional 247 square foot sunroom.

2095
03:24:27,560 --> 03:24:32,920
And then restoration of the front porch stairs to the original materials, which I've added

2096
03:24:32,920 --> 03:24:38,580
in note that it's original based on 22 other rendered Jones homes constructed in the

2097
03:24:38,580 --> 03:24:44,360
same period, which was clarified in a letter that you received from Diana Pinter this morning.

2098
03:24:45,340 --> 03:24:47,660
It also includes an interior remodel.

2099
03:24:49,680 --> 03:24:53,920
These are the floor plans that were shown to the HCPC showing the difference between the

2100
03:24:53,920 --> 03:24:59,800
the speed and proposed extents at the basement level and then highlighting

2101
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:17,780
In the rear addition, showing the shading of all material to be removed on the existing rear elevation, apparently upper left, the proposed plans proposed elevation in the bottom left, and then rendering showing the rear from different angles.

2102
03:25:20,700 --> 03:25:30,100
We also provided longitudinal sections for the HCPC showing the extent of excavation and the depth of the rear addition.

2103
03:25:30,100 --> 03:25:37,610
So the HCPC hearing was on July 14th, 20th of this year.

2104
03:25:38,370 --> 03:25:42,370
I do want to note that committee member Bill Reinhardt did

2105
03:25:42,370 --> 03:25:48,330
recuse himself in the staff report for this City Council hearing.

2106
03:25:48,730 --> 03:25:53,330
I attributed that to living within the radius of the project,

2107
03:25:53,350 --> 03:25:56,610
but it's actually because he had prior involvement with the project team.

2108
03:25:57,690 --> 03:25:59,450
Prior to the HCPC hearing,

2109
03:25:59,450 --> 03:26:03,970
we've received three letters in support and one in opposition that was from one of the appellants

2110
03:26:03,970 --> 03:26:09,270
also, Betty. We also heard an opposition at the public hearing from the Torels and one other

2111
03:26:09,270 --> 03:26:14,270
neighbor expressing general concerns relative to rear massing and proposed excavation. The

2112
03:26:14,270 --> 03:26:20,110
Torels are another appellant tonight's hearing. The HCPC discussed the excavation with the

2113
03:26:20,110 --> 03:26:27,530
applicant team at the public hearing, conditioned the tree protection for the coastal live oak on the

2114
03:26:27,530 --> 03:26:31,610
baby property and suggested tree planning to really privacy concerns.

2115
03:26:32,050 --> 03:26:34,150
Reject was then unanimously approved.

2116
03:26:35,890 --> 03:26:43,970
After the HCPC hearing, we received three timely appeals from adjacent neighbors.

2117
03:26:44,390 --> 03:26:49,690
The red property here indicates the subject property 2663.

2118
03:26:50,350 --> 03:26:54,270
The green property is the baby property.

2119
03:26:54,270 --> 03:26:59,790
The yellow is the spinler property, and the blue here is the trail property, so all three

2120
03:26:59,790 --> 03:27:02,250
appellans are immediately adjacent to the project site.

2121
03:27:02,870 --> 03:27:08,590
In generalizing the appeal subject matter, I came up with eight categories.

2122
03:27:09,290 --> 03:27:11,190
I'll run through them here quickly.

2123
03:27:11,870 --> 03:27:17,870
First compliance with standards review, two excavation for the subterranean parking, three

2124
03:27:17,870 --> 03:27:22,810
privacy for availability of light and air, five preservation of an existing

2125
03:27:22,810 --> 03:27:28,050
peppertree, six sequer review on the need for an EIR, seven construction

2126
03:27:28,050 --> 03:27:32,170
practices, and eight adequacy of the overall HCPC review.

2127
03:27:34,390 --> 03:27:35,750
After the appeals were

2128
03:27:35,750 --> 03:27:40,870
filed, the applicant returned with a modified project description of

2129
03:27:40,870 --> 03:27:46,890
voluntarily, as modified the proposal eliminated the 247 square foot due

2130
03:27:46,890 --> 03:27:52,770
catch sunroom, and it's placed the applicant as proposed pergola, which will have a height

2131
03:27:52,770 --> 03:27:58,630
level equal with the eve of the roof over the lower deck. They also eliminated the

2132
03:27:58,630 --> 03:28:04,130
bow deck that was oriented towards the trail property, increasing the side setback from the shared

2133
03:28:04,130 --> 03:28:10,630
property line by two and a half feet to approximately 13 feet where three foot side setback is otherwise

2134
03:28:10,630 --> 03:28:16,750
required. There's an addition of a vertical trellis at the upper deck to restrict views into the

2135
03:28:16,750 --> 03:28:20,690
yards of the adjacent neighbors, the east and west and provide additional privacy.

2136
03:28:21,470 --> 03:28:26,010
And then there was also reconfiguration of the rear stairs from the first floor deck

2137
03:28:26,010 --> 03:28:30,450
to the rear yard to decrease the additions expansion into the rear yard area.

2138
03:28:31,250 --> 03:28:36,490
There's a few renderings of the applicant is provided to really illustrate these changes.

2139
03:28:37,190 --> 03:28:44,070
Up here you have the HCPC approved plans rendered showing the sunroom, the stairs extending

2140
03:28:44,070 --> 03:28:50,350
out into the property and then over here on the right you can see the configuration of that

2141
03:28:50,350 --> 03:28:56,170
extended the deck and then below you can see the modifications. They removed the unenclosed area

2142
03:28:56,170 --> 03:29:02,070
instead going with the pergola. They reoriented the stairs so that it didn't project further out

2143
03:29:02,070 --> 03:29:08,190
into the yard and then they eliminated the angled featured here near the trail property.

2144
03:29:08,190 --> 03:29:16,840
I've also summarized this with the floor plans highlighting the area in blue here that

2145
03:29:16,840 --> 03:29:19,800
was removed from the HCPC approved plans.

2146
03:29:20,240 --> 03:29:21,560
This is at the basement level.

2147
03:29:24,260 --> 03:29:26,020
This is at the main floor level.

2148
03:29:27,350 --> 03:29:31,840
Although you can see the stairs are still there, they're just tucked in against the deck.

2149
03:29:33,500 --> 03:29:40,880
And then this is the east elevation showing the volume of the massing that's been removed

2150
03:29:40,880 --> 03:29:47,300
here and then the modified plans you can see the elevated height of the screening. These images

2151
03:29:47,300 --> 03:29:54,620
are also included in the staff packet as an exhibit. So the appeal points that I really want to

2152
03:29:54,620 --> 03:29:59,900
focus on tonight before you hear from the appellans and the applicant team.

2153
03:30:15,320 --> 03:30:29,980
So, with the compliance of standards of review, there are three critical pieces that the HCPC is charged in reviewing the project. I've highlighted the three that I'm focused on tonight. One is the

2154
03:30:29,980 --> 03:30:32,060
the A Street Historic District Standards.

2155
03:30:32,940 --> 03:30:35,560
Another is the Secretary of Inherior Standards

2156
03:30:35,560 --> 03:30:38,280
for Treatment of Historic Properties,

2157
03:30:38,780 --> 03:30:42,920
and then 15 is the ICO Chapter 15,

2158
03:30:43,500 --> 03:30:47,060
the Historic and Cultural Preservation Requirements

2159
03:30:47,060 --> 03:30:50,080
that set forward the process that which we went through.

2160
03:30:51,800 --> 03:30:55,460
So, touching on the Secretary of Inherior Standards first,

2161
03:30:55,820 --> 03:30:57,360
these are the standards for rehabilitation.

2162
03:30:57,360 --> 03:31:02,220
There are a number of different types of preservation standards.

2163
03:31:02,760 --> 03:31:05,700
The one that we're focused on for this project is rehabilitation.

2164
03:31:06,400 --> 03:31:07,600
There are 10 of them.

2165
03:31:08,280 --> 03:31:09,940
And they read as such.

2166
03:31:09,960 --> 03:31:14,020
I'm not going to read through everyone because you do have this in your staff report.

2167
03:31:14,240 --> 03:31:18,940
Although we can definitely revisit them as I know that they're a subject of the appeals.

2168
03:31:20,080 --> 03:31:21,940
But going through each 10.

2169
03:31:23,000 --> 03:31:26,340
They are difficult to respond to.

2170
03:31:27,400 --> 03:31:33,780
So the Secretary of Interior Standards, the Secretary of Interior Standards does provide

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03:31:33,780 --> 03:31:35,120
guidelines for rehabilitation.

2172
03:31:35,900 --> 03:31:41,500
This was about a 250-page document in your staff report, but I not necessarily expect

2173
03:31:41,500 --> 03:31:42,840
you to read in its entirety.

2174
03:31:43,540 --> 03:31:51,020
But I did want to convey how extensive the direction is that's provided to staff when we're

2175
03:31:51,020 --> 03:31:56,300
looking at these and the strategies that they provide to us for each type of work that

2176
03:31:56,300 --> 03:32:01,640
would be considered. There are guidelines specific to how you work with brick. There

2177
03:32:01,640 --> 03:32:07,160
are guidelines for how you work with wood, storefronts, commercial storefronts, and the

2178
03:32:07,160 --> 03:32:12,040
ones that I want to highlight while we're discussing this tonight are the guidelines specific

2179
03:32:12,040 --> 03:32:18,060
for new exterior additions to historic buildings and related new construction. So you go through

2180
03:32:18,060 --> 03:32:23,500
through and you see that there are recommended strategies and not recommended strategies, and

2181
03:32:23,500 --> 03:32:28,420
the two don't always necessarily combine, and I want to focus and bring your attention

2182
03:32:28,420 --> 03:32:35,420
on the second row where recommended is constructing a new addition on a secondary or non-character

2183
03:32:35,420 --> 03:32:41,280
defining element or sorry elevation and limiting its size and scale and relationship to the

2184
03:32:41,280 --> 03:32:47,900
historic building. And this is a particular importance because this is where the proposed

2185
03:32:47,900 --> 03:32:54,760
addition is at the rear and below the actual building itself. But then here you have the next

2186
03:32:54,760 --> 03:32:59,600
one in the third row, constructing a new addition that results in the least possible loss of historic

2187
03:32:59,600 --> 03:33:05,980
materials so that character-defining features are not obscured, damaged or destroyed. Part of the

2188
03:33:05,980 --> 03:33:13,260
discussion between the Brunzel peer review of the painter HRE is whether or not you can really

2189
03:33:13,260 --> 03:33:19,200
eliminate any character, defining future whatsoever. And when you read this and it's strictest

2190
03:33:19,200 --> 03:33:24,840
interpretation, you can see that that's not obviously encouraged. But when you move forward

2191
03:33:24,840 --> 03:33:25,740
in these guidelines,

2192
03:33:28,200 --> 03:33:33,880
they offer an example, a photographic example of what a proper addition does.

2193
03:33:33,880 --> 03:33:39,240
This is a historic building with clearly a lot of integrity,

2194
03:33:39,460 --> 03:33:42,620
architectural integrity left in the building itself.

2195
03:33:43,320 --> 03:33:47,160
Not much has changed as viewed from the primary frontage.

2196
03:33:48,140 --> 03:33:52,620
What is shown here is a two-story addition at the rear.

2197
03:33:53,120 --> 03:33:55,100
That's partially visible, visible.

2198
03:33:55,360 --> 03:33:56,560
It's not completely hidden.

2199
03:33:57,300 --> 03:33:58,980
The windows aren't identical.

2200
03:33:59,720 --> 03:34:02,180
The rear addition is clearly contemporary.

2201
03:34:02,180 --> 03:34:17,160
It's not trying to be perceived as architecture consistent with or contemporaneous with the original structure, it reads this modern, it reads as an addition that was added at a later date.

2202
03:34:17,700 --> 03:34:25,260
And this is the kind of visual example that the guidelines give you to work through and navigate the text.

2203
03:34:27,750 --> 03:34:34,590
So moving on, then we have also the district guidelines and here I'm not necessarily laid

2204
03:34:34,590 --> 03:34:43,130
out each district. The district guidelines are more broad, they're not very specific. And so

2205
03:34:43,130 --> 03:34:48,950
you're given general direction and you have to review the project to make sure that it's consistent

2206
03:34:48,950 --> 03:34:56,530
with that. So this is a slide that was before the HCPC where we go through every single category

2207
03:34:56,530 --> 03:34:59,570
or finding, and we respond to that.

2208
03:34:59,770 --> 03:34:59,850
So.

2209
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:26,260
For example, architectural style. The changes are largely consistent with the existing style. There's no new character defining elements to convey a different style. The addition is fairly simple. It's not trying to read as extremely contemporary. It's trying to be diminutive to the original structure. But yet it depicts modern elements that distinguish it from the original style.

2210
03:35:27,020 --> 03:35:32,720
For design, the project avoids an eclectic assembly of architectural motifs or architectural

2211
03:35:32,720 --> 03:35:35,380
details that conveys a false sense of history.

2212
03:35:35,880 --> 03:35:39,760
Here we're getting at the signs that it doesn't look like it was built at the same time.

2213
03:35:40,220 --> 03:35:44,780
The transitional style elements mostly are retained with an exception of the rear roof line.

2214
03:35:45,860 --> 03:35:50,760
And then the arrangement, although the addition is large, the scale of the addition is proportional

2215
03:35:50,760 --> 03:35:58,580
to this size a lot and the project also complies with all the ICO requirements. I would also note here

2216
03:35:58,580 --> 03:36:04,280
that the addition is pinched in on both the sides so that you can see when you're looking at it

2217
03:36:04,280 --> 03:36:11,300
that it isn't just a straight extension of the original building. Texture and materials, the materials

2218
03:36:11,300 --> 03:36:17,000
are appropriate and consistent with existing materials. The front-and-side porch will be restored to wood.

2219
03:36:17,600 --> 03:36:22,600
colors, the color palette is appropriate and includes white, black, teal, dark, teal and gold.

2220
03:36:23,260 --> 03:36:27,880
There are no accessory fixtures proposed and then landscaping the retaining walls for the

2221
03:36:27,880 --> 03:36:33,140
slope driveway will include an appropriate parched treatment. That means there's some design

2222
03:36:33,140 --> 03:36:38,460
thoughtfulness applied to the retaining walls and they're not just black concrete.

2223
03:36:41,230 --> 03:36:45,030
So relative to the conditions of approval that were included in the draft resolution,

2224
03:36:45,030 --> 03:36:50,170
I would say that the applicant is generally accepting of staff's recommended conditions,

2225
03:36:50,210 --> 03:36:52,130
although we do want to call out a couple.

2226
03:36:53,090 --> 03:37:00,870
The first one is relative to condition of approval number two in regards to providing

2227
03:37:00,870 --> 03:37:03,570
neighbors' copies of future plan sets.

2228
03:37:04,030 --> 03:37:08,450
The applicant would like to admit floor plans from submittals to neighbors for privacy.

2229
03:37:08,450 --> 03:37:24,050
That's generally pretty standard that once you get to the building permit phase plans are not shared and the floor plans for example are kind of more protected for just general privacy.

2230
03:37:24,970 --> 03:37:37,430
Also applicant also requests clarification that sharing of plans is informational only they don't want the expectation that by sharing a grading plan means that it can't be approved and tell neighbors.

2231
03:37:37,430 --> 03:37:45,210
is kind of give the grant their approval and then also recommend recommended condition

2232
03:37:45,210 --> 03:37:50,210
of approval numbers 28 and 29. The applicant has requested that the screening

2233
03:37:50,210 --> 03:37:56,010
trees be planted on the BD property, not the applicant property as intended by staff.

2234
03:37:56,330 --> 03:38:01,910
This relates to concerns about diminished open space on the subject property as well as utility

2235
03:38:01,910 --> 03:38:06,870
lines that are running along the extent of the shared property line interfering with the tree

2236
03:38:06,870 --> 03:38:07,690
planning itself.

2237
03:38:09,790 --> 03:38:15,930
Then I also heard from the babies requesting some clarification. They wanted to

2238
03:38:15,930 --> 03:38:22,870
note more specific language relative to the liability for damage that was on the bottom of

2239
03:38:22,870 --> 03:38:29,990
page 10 of the staff report. This language came in and their most recent appeal letter and stated

2240
03:38:29,990 --> 03:38:34,890
It stated that the homeowner must offer a legally binding protection agreement to use

2241
03:38:34,890 --> 03:38:40,310
as the sole owners of 226 street. That's the baby property. This agreement should include

2242
03:38:40,310 --> 03:38:46,450
provisions for establishment of a bond insurance or trust with funds sufficient to handle all claims

2243
03:38:46,450 --> 03:38:54,110
for damages caused by construction activity at a minimum of $1.5 million. That is also something

2244
03:38:54,110 --> 03:38:59,090
that I saw on the trial letter that came in the day the staff report was published. And I think

2245
03:38:59,090 --> 03:39:04,370
mentioned that I would follow up on that. So I want to call attention to that. There's also,

2246
03:39:04,730 --> 03:39:11,530
there was a request noted by the BADEs and the staff report on top of page 11 that they were

2247
03:39:11,530 --> 03:39:17,670
asking for a third-party arborist. They've already hired an arborist. They had Becky Duckels

2248
03:39:17,670 --> 03:39:26,450
preparing a report, which I also included in condition of approval number 21. So there's no need

2249
03:39:26,450 --> 03:39:32,070
for a third party arborist at this point that's already happened. And then finally, the

2250
03:39:32,070 --> 03:39:38,550
Tarell's have requested conditions. This also this came in and their appeal letter when I was

2251
03:39:38,550 --> 03:39:45,290
issuing or publishing the staff report. They've asked that noise that the council consider limiting

2252
03:39:45,290 --> 03:39:54,430
noise generating activities Monday through Friday, 8am to 5pm. And then they also ask that

2253
03:39:54,430 --> 03:39:59,790
because of concerns that the excavation will prohibit them.

2254
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:07,040
I'm planning a planting trees on their property that the applicant can provide a new sense along

2255
03:40:07,040 --> 03:40:11,780
the shared property line to match the existing 8th or 12th fence on the twirl's north property

2256
03:40:11,780 --> 03:40:14,640
line in material style and workmanship.

2257
03:40:17,380 --> 03:40:21,420
Finally, for CEQA staff is maintaining their position

2258
03:40:21,420 --> 03:40:27,960
that the product is categorically exempt from the provisions of CEQA under as a class one

2259
03:40:27,960 --> 03:40:33,760
in class 31 exemption, there's been a lot of back and forth between the appellans and the applicant

2260
03:40:33,760 --> 03:40:39,620
on this point and we can get in that if you have other questions. But at this point, staff

2261
03:40:39,620 --> 03:40:44,540
finds that the project continues to find that the project meets the sector here and interior standards

2262
03:40:44,540 --> 03:40:46,720
is comfortable with this exemption.

2263
03:40:48,880 --> 03:40:53,440
Public comment, we received 57 comment letters submitted in

2264
03:40:53,440 --> 03:40:58,000
response to the project since the initial city council public notice was sent in September.

2265
03:40:58,500 --> 03:41:05,540
I would characterize it as mixed response with very strong opinions on both sides of the issue.

2266
03:41:05,860 --> 03:41:11,100
There are opponents with concern about a lack of the initial public outreach and the extent of

2267
03:41:11,100 --> 03:41:15,800
changes to the existing residents. And then supporters are concerned at the heightened attention for

2268
03:41:15,800 --> 03:41:22,560
what they perceive as reasonable changes and worried a little bit about the conservative nature of the

2269
03:41:22,560 --> 03:41:31,100
And then the additional 20, there are additional 20 comment letters that have been received since publication of the staff report.

2270
03:41:31,340 --> 03:41:45,880
These really echo the positions of the comments made in the packet and reflect a broad mix of backgrounds from just general neighbors, artists in the community, architects, historians and then even commissioning committee members.

2271
03:41:45,880 --> 03:41:53,920
So with that, I will conclude with staff's recommendation, which is consistent with the

2272
03:41:53,920 --> 03:41:57,740
HCPC's approval of Resolution 2020-01.

2273
03:41:57,960 --> 03:42:03,260
It is recommended that the City Council approve a resolution to 9-3 separate appeals filed

2274
03:42:03,260 --> 03:42:08,580
by Margie and Tatarelle, Jason and Elsa Beatty and Bonnie Spunler, and upholding the Historic

2275
03:42:08,580 --> 03:42:13,800
and Cultural Preservation Committee's approval of the Historic Spar Review with modifications

2276
03:42:18,960 --> 03:42:29,760
I know that we have the full applicant team as well as the full appellant team is here if you have any questions for them. Thank you.

2277
03:42:30,820 --> 03:42:35,740
Thank you very much for the that was a very good presentation as was the staff report.

2278
03:42:35,740 --> 03:42:59,780
Right now I believe the process is for the three appellants to each have 10 minutes to make their presentations and that will be followed by a 10 minute presentation by the applicant or the applicant's team.

2279
03:42:59,780 --> 03:43:06,320
And then we will bring questions back to the council and then we will open up public comment.

2280
03:43:07,440 --> 03:43:11,240
Bring it back and we will have five minutes summary.

2281
03:43:12,900 --> 03:43:20,260
So who would which group is going to start of the three app appellants?

2282
03:43:22,100 --> 03:43:24,980
Good evening Madam Mayor and City Council members.

2283
03:43:24,980 --> 03:43:28,840
We have a joint presentation that I will lead off.

2284
03:43:30,360 --> 03:43:33,240
Hopefully you can see our shared screen at the moment.

2285
03:43:33,880 --> 03:43:38,380
The title flag record for those who may not be able to see you do or read your name.

2286
03:43:38,560 --> 03:43:40,820
Maybe you could just give your name for the record.

2287
03:43:41,380 --> 03:43:41,880
Yes. Yeah.

2288
03:43:42,000 --> 03:43:44,080
Well, my name is Elsa Vady.

2289
03:43:44,400 --> 03:43:53,000
And I, along with my husband Jason and three young children reside a 22 6th street next door to the residential remodel approved for 26 6th street.

2290
03:43:53,000 --> 03:43:58,400
We've been petaluma residents for 13 years, first owning a home on nearby Bassett Street,

2291
03:43:58,860 --> 03:44:02,600
and then having the good fortune to purchase our current house located in the venerable

2292
03:44:02,600 --> 03:44:04,840
A Street historic district in 2015.

2293
03:44:05,540 --> 03:44:10,160
We feel privileged to be the current stewards of our 1890s Queen Anne Heritage Home.

2294
03:44:10,620 --> 03:44:15,380
We look forward to continuing to raise a generation of petaluma's here, and like the houses,

2295
03:44:15,680 --> 03:44:20,140
have every intention of making this our forever home as we continue to contribute to the community

2296
03:44:20,140 --> 03:44:21,520
in ways that we are able.

2297
03:44:21,520 --> 03:44:32,480
We thank you for the opportunity to speak to you tonight regarding our appeal of the HCPC's July 14th decision to approve the historic SPAR for 26th Street as presented to you by city staff.

2298
03:44:33,120 --> 03:44:44,220
We are joined by our co-appellants in this matter, Margie and Todd Terrell and Bonnie Spindler, as well as two consultants we have retained Cara Brunzel and Les Perry, all of whom you will hear from later tonight.

2299
03:44:45,120 --> 03:44:50,280
As you know, the home of 266th Street was built in 1905 and designed by Petalamo's

2300
03:44:50,280 --> 03:44:55,480
premier architect and native son, Rainer Jones. It's considered to be an excellent example of the

2301
03:44:55,480 --> 03:44:59,820
transitional style of architecture and individually qualified for the California

2302
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:28,220
And a registered of historic resources. It's one of only 77 homes located within the narrow boundaries of the A Street Historic District, a designated area protected by special city council ordinance of 1986. Homes located within these specific confines have the preexisting condition of being held to stricter construction standards than any other residential area of Petaluma. The guidelines call specific attention to the following description of homes located within the district.

2303
03:45:28,220 --> 03:45:43,840
All have fairly down to earth human scale and are straightforward on ostentatious design rehabilitation of any building within the historic district must be accomplished within the parameters of scale of 1938 pre 1930 structures.

2304
03:45:44,520 --> 03:45:51,960
These homes are resources for the community which we all have a responsibility to safeguard as a result of this action by the former city council.

2305
03:45:51,960 --> 03:45:58,880
The intent of the guidelines was made clear as it pertains to proposed work within the district, which you see outlined here.

2306
03:45:59,760 --> 03:46:08,520
The discussion today comes down to the city's desire and willingness to continue to protect these few homes among the some 20,000 properties within city limits.

2307
03:46:09,300 --> 03:46:16,440
Similar projects have and can take place in other putt aluminum neighborhoods, such as on D street, or a 606 street.

2308
03:46:16,440 --> 03:46:23,040
But these have the clear distinction of not being located within a protected designated historic district.

2309
03:46:23,740 --> 03:46:34,340
A look back at previous remodels approved by the HCPC will show that no project of this scale and scope has ever been allowed within either of the only two residential historic districts.

2310
03:46:35,040 --> 03:46:43,660
Given the significant scope of unprecedented changes proposed to one of its important historic homes located within one of its protected districts.

2311
03:46:43,660 --> 03:46:59,680
The decision regarding this project has become greater than simply the approval of the standard residential remodel, allowing this project to proceed as approved will forever alter the aesthetics and integrity of Petaluma's historic districts as a result of the precedence that sets.

2312
03:47:00,180 --> 03:47:05,160
It's the first step in the steady erosion of our town's identity as one of historic preservation.

2313
03:47:05,920 --> 03:47:11,220
As we look to the future, let's be reminded of guideline 3 in the city of Petaluma's general plan.

2314
03:47:12,040 --> 03:47:15,100
Preservation and enhancement of the city's historic assets,

2315
03:47:15,400 --> 03:47:19,440
lends Petaluma a distinct identity and helps sustain its small town character.

2316
03:47:20,140 --> 03:47:25,100
As future growth turns increasingly toward infill, efforts to guard the city's heritage need to be

2317
03:47:25,100 --> 03:47:27,920
redoubled and are reflected in the plan's policies.

2318
03:47:28,620 --> 03:47:30,980
This matter is not a neighbor to neighbor issue.

2319
03:47:31,460 --> 03:47:32,680
This is a Petaluma issue.

2320
03:47:32,680 --> 03:47:41,060
Will we as a community stand behind the very guidelines and standards established to preserve the character of our treasured historic districts?

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03:47:41,840 --> 03:47:46,700
I will now turn it over to my co-appellant, Margie Turell, who will outline her collective appeal points.

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Thank you, Elsa. Good evening, Madam Mayor and Council members. My name is Margie Turell and I reside at 608 B Street.

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My husband and I moved to Petaluma 22 years ago for its sense of community,

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03:48:02,580 --> 03:48:08,060
excellent schools, and its charming historic districts. We saved every penny

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for two years to purchase our home also designed by Granter Jones built in 1906.

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It is our sole and primary residence we've been proud to fall home for 18 years

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and are happily settled here raising our son. I would like to outline for you

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tonight, appeal points brought individually and collectively by the three appellant families.

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These points are as follows. Number one, the developer did not comply with city resolution

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2018-107 NCS, which required public outreach prior to even the scheduling of the project's review

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before the HCPC in July. We maintain the HCPC did not have critical information in which to make

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an informed decision. We maintain that the project complies with neither the A3 historic

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03:49:00,280 --> 03:49:05,980
district guidelines nor the secretary of the interior standards for rehabilitation of

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historic resource. We appeal the planning department's consideration that the project

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is exempt from provisions of CEQA. We maintain that our concerns of physical damage and environmental

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mental impacts related to the enormous ground excavation

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near steps away from the property lines

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have been continually dismissed.

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Prior to members of the appellant group,

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further expanding on these points,

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we would like council members to know

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that the appellants have had individual

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and group communications with the developer

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and the planning department to discuss concerns

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and try to reach amicable solutions.

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a balance ask multiple times about the non adherence to the public outreach requirement and when that would be rectified.

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However, we never reached or never received an exclamation.

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And explanation or response whatsoever until the subject was broached at the December 7th City Council meeting. Appellants attended a meeting in September in which the developer discussed a modification of the original projects scope. However, we noted during that very same meeting that none of the modifications change the multiple issues of noncompliance to the historic guidelines. There are also ongoing discussions with the developer about protections for the appellants.

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in the form of monitoring the homes for damages during the excavation and liability and property

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insurance coverage. Steps that we heard from the deputy planner are routinely offered in cities

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such as San Francisco when there's an excavation at the property lines. And then while these issues

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were under consideration and being explored, the developer took the egregious action of moving forward

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with the excavation anyway, commencing its perimeter trenching work on September 18,

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03:51:00,140 --> 03:51:06,360
until stopped by the city despite being told by the city previously to not start the project

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until the fields were heard. Then later, we received news that developer ultimately determined

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surveying and monitoring the neighboring homes for damages, and any and all insurance protections

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were deemed too burdensome and unnecessary.

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I will now turn over the presentation to my husband Todd,

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who will speak to the first two appeal points.

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Thank you for listening.

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Good evening, Madam Mayor and Council members.

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My name is Todd Terrell, and I live at 608 B Street

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with my wife Margie and our son.

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We first came to Pedaluma in 1999 for a weekend getaway

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to see the historic downtown and the Victorian homes.

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We were so taken with Petal Luma after this visit that we relocated here three months later from San Francisco.

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In 2003, we purchased our 1906 Branner Jones design home. It was considered a fixer upper, but we love it and are enjoying returning it to its former beauty.

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I would like to elaborate on the appeal points related to the lack of public outreach and that the HCPC did not have critical information in which to make an informed decision.

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The developer did not comply with the city resolution 2018-107.

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NCS, the resolution requires Project applicants

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perform outreach to neighbors within 1,000 feet.

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Radius, 1,000 foot radius,

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if the project is major enough to require a public hearing.

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Developers must provide these neighbors an opportunity

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to learn about project plans,

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such as timelines, impacts,

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and have their consultants available to answer questions.

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All of this ahead of even the scheduling of a public meeting.

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The lack of this outreach eliminated the opportunity for constructive feedback that would have been brought forth to the HCPC to make an informed decision.

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Every qualified project since the resolution passed has been required to comply even during the challenges of COVID, including another project that was presented at the very same HCPC meeting on July 14th every single one.

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planning department representatives at the department at the

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representatives at the December 7th City Council meeting indicated that the

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developer had met with the appellans in September and the city

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complied at standard notice of HCPC hearing on July 14th.

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Neither of these actions substitute for the failure of the developer to perform

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its critical outreach. We maintain that the project was misrepresented

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stated misrepresented to the HCPC as minor in nature despite the home ballooning to over 9 to 9,464 total square feet upon completion per the last drawings.

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Committee members did not have access to full-sized hard copy drawings prior to or during the hearing numbers were provided a staff report that misrepresented compliance with the district guidelines and qualifications for the sequel exemption.

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and none question any of these findings.

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The developer's lack of compliance

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with the neighborhood outreach requirement

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was entirely omitted from the report.

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And now we have learned at the last minute

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that the historic resource evaluation by Diane Painter

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presented to the HCPC in July was outdated,

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03:54:39,100 --> 03:54:41,640
related to a different version of the project

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and that it was discussed at the July hearing.

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I would like to now introduce Jason Vady,

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who will speak about our outreach efforts.

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Thank you, Todd.

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03:54:53,380 --> 03:54:54,900
Could you meet Madam Mayor and council members?

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I'm Jason Vady, Elsa's husband,

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and one of the co-op elements residing at 226th Street.

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In absence of the required outreach, we as concerned citizens made an effort to bring awareness of the project in the neighborhood. We began by screening flyers and it became apparent there was a significant and similar level of concern in the community regarding the negative long-term impact of this project on the historic districts. As a result, we found a preserved petaluma in response to the strong interest in preserving this part of the town's identity and the fundamental values of historic preservation. The art signs were designed to grab attention

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pass revised with the same resonating message to help save the A Street Historic District.

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The sign served to accomplish what the developers lack of outreach did not.

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Bring a heightened level of community awareness to the project.

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As a group, we felt it was critical that this project was allowed to go forward,

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at least the community should know about it. Community members responded, especially those

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having a greater understanding of the mean of the A Street Historic District.

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You'll notice in the graphic included in the staff report the locations of the homes of the three appellants.

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This is unsurprising given where the original project description letter was distributed by the developer only to the immediately surrounding homes of the property.

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In this graphic, the yellow circle represents the thousand foot radius for noticing required by the city resolution for the neighborhood meeting that didn't happen.

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23 homeowners within this area have chosen to express their feedback retroactively regarding the project with the yard sign.

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There have been 35 letters to council 11 letters to the editor and 29 yard signs posted around town all expressing opposition to the approved project.

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Of course, there have also been outspoken community members on the other side of the issue who are not to the same degree.

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Perhaps more importantly, the numbers game here is the composition of that public commentary.

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Half of those opposing the project live within that thousand-foot noticing radius.

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These are the community members whose input could have been received before the HCPC hearing.

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03:57:05,860 --> 03:57:18,500
Others who have expressed opposition have significant and relevant perspective on matters of historic preservation, such as an architectural historian who is a district resident and a former member of HCPC.

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03:57:18,500 --> 03:57:24,760
Heritage homes opposes this project, and the vice chair of the HCPC who is now publicly

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03:57:24,760 --> 03:57:29,820
expressed her desire to rescind her ascending vote. We believe the amount of uproar

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03:57:29,820 --> 03:57:34,240
are narrated by this project approval is a direct result of the unprecedented scope

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03:57:34,240 --> 03:57:39,220
of the project and the community's passion around protecting its designated historic districts.

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As you've heard from many of your constituents, Pedalum's historic charm is its hallmark,

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03:57:45,500 --> 03:57:50,360
And one of the reasons many choose to make this their home, this reaction from the community

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03:57:50,360 --> 03:57:54,640
mirrored the reaction we as appellants had when it came to the impacts of the project

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and led us to seek a second professional opinion on its adherence to the historic district guidelines.

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I will now invite Ms. Kara Brinzel of Brinzel Historical to speak, followed by Attorney

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Les Perry and the final appellant Bonnie Spindler. Kara,

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03:58:19,890 --> 03:58:21,510
I think you have to unmute yourself,

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it's in the upper right of your video.

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03:58:30,390 --> 03:58:35,090
Okay. Am I muted now? Yeah, we hear you. Okay.

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03:58:36,750 --> 03:58:43,590
Thank you. Mayor Barrett and council members for letting me speak and giving me this time.

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My name is Kayla Bunzel. I'm the principal of Bunzel Historical and I would like to know for city

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03:58:49,890 --> 03:58:58,830
records that my name is spelled B-R-U-N-Z-E-L-L. And that my project review is based on drawing submitted

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03:58:58,830 --> 03:59:07,150
to the HCPC in April and updated in August of this year. With the Masters in Public History,

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I meet the Secretary of Interior's professional qualifications for history and architectural history.

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I have worked in historic preservation and cultural resource management for over 13 years.

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I've completed numerous projects in Petaluma and Sonoma County and worked

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throughout California and other states. I will confine my remarks to the

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03:59:29,790 --> 03:59:35,770
proposed projects most serious violations of historic preservation standards. I

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do not take issue with the qualifications or experience of the project

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03:59:39,550 --> 03:59:45,070
proponents consultant. Diana Painter is well-qualified and the HRE was thorough.

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03:59:45,070 --> 03:59:49,330
However, her conformance analysis is in error.

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03:59:50,010 --> 03:59:56,270
The most egregious problem is noted by painter preservation's recent memos, which state

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03:59:56,270 --> 03:59:59,930
unequivocally, that the compliance review she

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04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:07,800
We prepared in November 2019 was based on an outdated set of drawings. It is self-evident

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that the HCPC staff and city council cannot make a ruling on outdated documents prepared

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04:00:15,580 --> 04:00:22,960
for a previous version of the project. The project, as currently proposed, does not meet

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04:00:22,960 --> 04:00:29,400
the secretary of interior standards. Painter relies on a typical interpretation of the standards

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04:00:29,400 --> 04:00:33,880
which do allow flexibility at the rear of a historic property.

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However, flexibility does not mean anything goes.

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Original materials and details will be destroyed by the project.

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04:00:44,100 --> 04:00:50,660
The introduction of a large, modern-looking Terrace Ballast draw that rises 21 feet into the air

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04:00:50,660 --> 04:00:55,080
is outside the scope of the flexibility intended by the standards.

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04:00:55,080 --> 04:01:05,260
Part of the reasoning behind flexibility with respect to rear facades is that they are typically not visible from the public right of way.

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In this case, however, the location of the house and the extraordinary size and height of the rear addition mean that it will easily be visible from B Street, from Post Street, as well as from several neighboring properties.

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The proposed large front gate and grade change in the driveway, which are visible from 6th street, would result in substantial negative effects on the house itself and on the district.

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Although briefly mentioned in the 2019 PAIR report, they are inexplicably excluded from

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04:01:43,860 --> 04:01:48,280
her review under the Secretary of Interior and the local standards.

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04:01:49,320 --> 04:01:56,860
And I also noticed during the staff report that the staff doesn't really deal with these

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very serious substantial parts of the project.

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The assertion that the driveway is not character defining is an attempt to distract from

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04:02:08,200 --> 04:02:13,260
the disruption excavation will cause to the site and the setting.

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The secretary standards quote, encompass related landscape features and the building site

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04:02:22,280 --> 04:02:28,800
and environment, unquote. And with respect to the setting of a district or

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neighborhood, the standards are also clear, quote, the relationship of buildings

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to each other, setbacks, fence patterns, views, driveways and walkways, and

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04:02:42,480 --> 04:02:47,620
street trees and other landscaping together, establish the character of a

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04:02:47,620 --> 04:02:56,520
district or neighborhood unquote. Introduction of a sloping driveway by excavating a flat site in a flat

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neighborhood is a significant alteration to the landscape. This feature set back only a few

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04:03:03,640 --> 04:03:09,860
feet from the public right of way will be easily visible in the same way that raising a sidewalk

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04:03:09,860 --> 04:03:16,320
four feet off the ground or lowering it two feet below grade would obviously create a significant

2475
04:03:16,320 --> 04:03:23,900
negative impact on nearby historical resources, the driveway grade change will alter the site.

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04:03:25,160 --> 04:03:30,900
Alterations to the grade of properties and major excavation are not specifically

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04:03:30,900 --> 04:03:35,980
prohibited by the standards, perhaps because they are typically infeasible due to costs.

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But that does not mean that such radical changes are without negative impact.

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Painter asserts in the recent memo that the gate should not be subject to scrutiny because

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it is, quote, not a permanent feature.

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04:03:51,780 --> 04:03:57,740
Nothing about the physical characteristics of this solid wooden gate as presented in

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04:03:57,740 --> 04:04:00,660
renderings and plans indicate that it is temporary.

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It is a structure that is highly visible from many vantage points within the district and

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And it absolutely must be considered as part of the project.

2485
04:04:11,900 --> 04:04:17,900
Comparison of this gate to the form of parkour is inappropriate and irrelevant.

2486
04:04:18,740 --> 04:04:24,120
Historic evaluations and project reviews must be confined to current conditions.

2487
04:04:25,100 --> 04:04:30,600
An introduction of a skylight would on its own be relatively minor, but adds to the cumulative

2488
04:04:30,600 --> 04:04:33,180
negative impact of the whole project.

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04:04:34,140 --> 04:04:39,500
Proposed violations of Petaluma's a-street historic district preservation

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04:04:39,500 --> 04:04:44,880
guidelines aren't even more glaring. The local standards require the size and

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04:04:44,880 --> 04:04:49,540
rear of the house to be compatible with the front. This project does not

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04:04:49,540 --> 04:04:56,240
conform. They require harmony of proportions with its surroundings including

2493
04:04:56,240 --> 04:04:59,920
neighboring structures. This project is not conformed.

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They require a project to not adversely affect the exterior architectural characteristics of the property. The project does not conform. The local guidelines, it is true, are not perfectly compatible with the secretary standards. They have never the less been adopted by the city of Patelwuma and must be applied equally to all applicants until legally changed by the city.

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In summary, the proposed project fails to meet the requirements of both the Secretary

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04:05:35,830 --> 04:05:42,650
of Interior Standards for Rehabilitation and Petaluma's A-Street Historic District Preservation

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Guidelines and should be substantially scaled back in order to preserve the subject property

2498
04:05:48,430 --> 04:05:50,190
and the historic district.

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04:05:50,510 --> 04:05:52,270
Thank you for this time.

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04:05:53,270 --> 04:06:04,630
Excuse me, I'm going to interrupt it one moment at this moment because we need a vote on the council to continue the meeting past 11 o'clock.

2501
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Better mayor, I'll make the motion second.

2502
04:06:07,850 --> 04:06:13,290
Okay, I have a motion the second. Is there anyone in opposition to that on the council?

2503
04:06:13,290 --> 04:06:19,570
Well, being no one raised their hand, we can continue and you get one extra minute for this interruption.

2504
04:06:22,260 --> 04:06:26,420
Good evening, a less parry attorney for the appellants in this matter.

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This project is not proceeding in compliance with CECLA.

2506
04:06:31,560 --> 04:06:43,400
It would be unusual indeed to disregard CECLA for a project that entails significant modifications to the historic asset that is an important component of an environmentally sensitive area.

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that recognized that experts conclude

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will result in adverse changes

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and is the center of public controversy.

2510
04:06:50,880 --> 04:06:51,800
In my experience,

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when you try this hard to fit a project

2512
04:06:53,660 --> 04:06:55,120
to avoid seek review,

2513
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the effort is not well received.

2514
04:06:58,160 --> 04:07:00,320
The only projects that should proceed

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04:07:00,320 --> 04:07:01,660
without environmental review

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are those words abundantly clear at the outset.

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04:07:05,760 --> 04:07:08,300
Of course, that's the fundamental purpose of an exemption.

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04:07:09,360 --> 04:07:12,420
Exemption relied upon minor additions

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04:07:12,420 --> 04:07:19,280
is not applied. The examples given are clearly inconsistent. If this is not a minor alteration,

2520
04:07:19,680 --> 04:07:24,600
it's not in negligible expansion. It does not relate to minor interior partitions.

2521
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The 2500 square foot limit does not apply and reliance on the 10,000 square foot limit is not applicable in that the project is situated in an environmentally sensitive area.

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that is the A Street Historic Preservation District.

2523
04:07:43,320 --> 04:07:46,420
Nor does the project fit within the expansion,

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exemption for historic resources restoration.

2525
04:07:50,360 --> 04:07:55,760
By its terms, this exemption does not apply to demolitions or additions.

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04:07:56,940 --> 04:08:02,580
But most important for tonight's purposes is that there's an exception for historic assets,

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04:08:03,080 --> 04:08:05,880
which prevents reliance upon an exemption.

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04:08:05,880 --> 04:08:18,680
any exemption. That exception says, a categorical exemption shall not be used for a project which may cause a substantial adverse change in the significance of an historic resource.

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So since it is clearly an historic resource, the only question is whether there is any evidence that the project may cause a substantial adverse change.

2530
04:08:27,860 --> 04:08:30,540
and there can't really be any dispute about that.

2531
04:08:31,080 --> 04:08:33,460
There may be a difference of an opinion

2532
04:08:33,460 --> 04:08:37,240
that there's evidence of that,

2533
04:08:37,580 --> 04:08:40,520
but that's not relevant at this sequence juncture.

2534
04:08:41,060 --> 04:08:42,720
The evidence presented by Ms. Brinzel,

2535
04:08:42,720 --> 04:08:43,440
you just heard,

2536
04:08:43,660 --> 04:08:44,880
satisfies the exception.

2537
04:08:45,580 --> 04:08:47,320
Contrary evidence by the applicant,

2538
04:08:47,720 --> 04:08:49,100
staff, or even your views,

2539
04:08:49,320 --> 04:08:51,620
do not change the inevitable result.

2540
04:08:52,460 --> 04:08:55,120
All that matters is that there were substantial evidence

2541
04:08:55,120 --> 04:08:57,860
evidence there may be an at first change.

2542
04:08:58,520 --> 04:09:01,340
It cannot be questioned that Ms. Brunzel is a qualified

2543
04:09:01,340 --> 04:09:04,520
professional with recognized experience and expertise

2544
04:09:05,160 --> 04:09:07,200
and her findings are further confirmed

2545
04:09:07,200 --> 04:09:10,580
by Ms. Hurley, a professional historian

2546
04:09:10,920 --> 04:09:12,860
with lengthy experience in Petaluma.

2547
04:09:13,480 --> 04:09:16,460
She advises the proposed project is not consistent

2548
04:09:16,460 --> 04:09:19,840
with either the secretary standards or the A-street guidelines.

2549
04:09:20,280 --> 04:09:21,840
Her reviews are pretty dramatic.

2550
04:09:21,840 --> 04:09:30,120
She states this would be a major loss of historic design and materials and she states the proposed

2551
04:09:30,120 --> 04:09:36,340
demolition and modern additions will certainly compromise its historic integrity to such a degree

2552
04:09:36,340 --> 04:09:41,240
that the house may lose its current status as individually eligible for the register.

2553
04:09:41,880 --> 04:09:48,560
That's about as clear as it gets, the exception concludes reliance on any categorical exemption.

2554
04:09:49,780 --> 04:09:58,540
That is the, not only is that, that the law, it makes practical sense with regard to your historic resource. Thank you.

2555
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:29,900
Good evening, Madam Mayor and city council members. I'm Bonnie Spindler. Let me start by saying that the press and staff have set this up like it's a WWF NIMBY grudge match between neighbors. They've all missed the point. This is a struggle for the soul of a historic neighborhood, the slippery slope that leads to McMansions and decimated communities. We don't want to be Atherton or Cupertino. Since 1983, I've restored historic homes. I'm a former president of the Victorian Alliance.

2556
04:10:29,900 --> 04:10:37,100
a past president of Alamos Square neighborhood association, a historic district, and a past resident of the Oak Hill Brewster.

2557
04:10:37,640 --> 04:10:42,820
I deliberately choose historic districts because of the protections for these dwindling resources.

2558
04:10:43,540 --> 04:10:47,620
Every year, more and more Victorians are torn down, gutted, and lost forever.

2559
04:10:48,580 --> 04:10:52,780
Three years ago, I bought Dr. Gossage's Victorian at 600 B Street.

2560
04:10:53,400 --> 04:10:56,340
It is a Petaluma heritage home in a historical resource.

2561
04:10:56,340 --> 04:11:03,200
Dr. Gosage was chosen by Petaluma to head up their 1918 Spanish Influenza Pandemic

2562
04:11:03,200 --> 04:11:08,800
Response and served on City Council. His home ties us to our past and helps us

2563
04:11:08,800 --> 04:11:12,960
interpret our present. The construction materials in this home and other

2564
04:11:12,960 --> 04:11:17,480
historic homes are rare. Preserving these construction materials wherever possible

2565
04:11:17,480 --> 04:11:23,340
is healthy for the planet. It is green to keep what is there, to not have off-gassing

2566
04:11:23,340 --> 04:11:28,740
materials of your home and to not buy new materials to replace historical items.

2567
04:11:29,540 --> 04:11:35,340
After this massive remodel of both the interior and exterior of 266 Street, it can never

2568
04:11:35,340 --> 04:11:37,160
be returned to its original state.

2569
04:11:37,660 --> 04:11:42,500
The A Street guidelines were set up specifically to prevent projects like this from occurring.

2570
04:11:43,160 --> 04:11:49,000
The excavation proposed is risky, not only for the developer's home but for other resources

2571
04:11:49,000 --> 04:11:49,700
around it.

2572
04:11:49,700 --> 04:11:56,380
My Victorian is just feet away from this ramp and the parking structure that will be dug through bedrock.

2573
04:11:56,860 --> 04:12:04,160
This garage space is the size of a standard lot and will cause large amounts of groundwater to be removed to keep it dry.

2574
04:12:04,900 --> 04:12:10,480
The garage expansion figures used by the developer do not include the ramp soils displacement.

2575
04:12:11,240 --> 04:12:14,220
Damage can be expected to my house and surrounding areas.

2576
04:12:14,220 --> 04:12:21,260
the staff member has noted in her report that the developer is concerned about his liability,

2577
04:12:21,820 --> 04:12:28,800
both pre and post-project, and yet the developer has rejected a trust, insurance, or a bond

2578
04:12:28,800 --> 04:12:35,240
to create a safety net for the surrounding properties. In summary, there are only 77 homes in the

2579
04:12:35,240 --> 04:12:42,280
historic district. You are contemplating giving one up and endangering several others. We care deeply

2580
04:12:42,280 --> 04:12:49,000
about the historic district and its protections, the protections are only meaningful if you defend them.

2581
04:12:49,640 --> 04:12:55,480
It is up to you to decide if this is the right project for this house, if this is the right project

2582
04:12:55,480 --> 04:13:01,980
for a historic district. Are there sufficient protections in place for the other historical

2583
04:13:01,980 --> 04:13:08,320
homes that may be in harm's way? We are asking you to enforce the historic guidelines by protecting

2584
04:13:08,320 --> 04:13:14,580
the defining dormor, the rear porch addition and preventing an expansion of the square footage

2585
04:13:14,580 --> 04:13:18,520
of a bungalow, which would certainly change its use in human scale.

2586
04:13:19,080 --> 04:13:25,740
If you won't protect this home, we ask at a bare minimum, you require a secret report,

2587
04:13:26,440 --> 04:13:31,880
a meridian survey for endangered homes paid for by the developer, and a fund or insurance

2588
04:13:31,880 --> 04:13:34,620
policy to repair future damage of surrounding homes.

2589
04:13:34,620 --> 04:13:43,400
The Brainer Jones House at 266 has been there 112 years is completely original and it's

2590
04:13:43,400 --> 04:13:47,680
a mistake to rush to make this irreplaceable alterations happen.

2591
04:13:48,620 --> 04:13:51,600
Please protect our historic district and our historic resources.

2592
04:13:52,240 --> 04:13:53,320
Thank you so much.

2593
04:13:59,480 --> 04:13:59,940
Okay.

2594
04:14:00,180 --> 04:14:00,760
Thank you.

2595
04:14:02,340 --> 04:14:07,200
So is that the end of the Collins presentation?

2596
04:14:08,020 --> 04:14:08,780
Correct.

2597
04:14:08,780 --> 04:14:13,280
Okay, fine. So now we have the applicant's presentation,

2598
04:14:20,050 --> 04:14:23,310
whichever was going to go first. Please go ahead.

2599
04:14:26,380 --> 04:14:28,220
You're on the wheelchair for your muted.

2600
04:14:36,640 --> 04:14:38,380
Okay, now he looks like he's frozen.

2601
04:14:43,900 --> 04:14:46,420
Okay, Mr. Woolberg, you are on mute.

2602
04:14:50,620 --> 04:14:51,720
Are you speaking?

2603
04:14:52,320 --> 04:14:53,100
There we go.

2604
04:14:53,100 --> 04:14:59,880
Okay. All right. Good. Thank you. I was clicking on it and it just would not unmute. Okay. Thank you.

2605
04:15:00,850 --> 04:15:30,130
Thank you, Madam Mayor and council members. Some background pertinent to this project. My name is Bill Wolpert. My experience includes 34 years as a licensed architect. Upon moving to petaloma 20 years ago, I became involved in updating the 2005 general plan and participated in the subcommittee that created a separate chapter for historic preservation and petaloma. I was a member of the historic and cultural preservation community.

2606
04:15:30,130 --> 04:15:32,250
for three years before being appointed

2607
04:15:32,250 --> 04:15:34,070
to the Planning Commission for eight years.

2608
04:15:35,570 --> 04:15:38,970
I developed a relationship with Jenny Haas

2609
04:15:38,970 --> 04:15:41,170
after working with them and their daughter

2610
04:15:41,170 --> 04:15:44,150
to rehabilitate another historic property

2611
04:15:44,150 --> 04:15:45,830
on the corner of Fifth and B Street.

2612
04:15:46,370 --> 04:15:48,530
The home had been divided into two units

2613
04:15:48,530 --> 04:15:51,050
and we restored it back into a single home.

2614
04:15:51,610 --> 04:15:53,490
There were some questions from adjacent neighbors

2615
04:15:53,490 --> 04:15:56,050
which we addressed and there were no complaints

2616
04:15:56,050 --> 04:15:58,450
throughout the completion of the project.

2617
04:15:59,450 --> 04:16:04,470
The same general contractor, Rempi Construction, will be responsible for this project.

2618
04:16:05,030 --> 04:16:08,910
Steve Rempi has completed more challenging projects in San Francisco and

2619
04:16:08,910 --> 04:16:14,070
Saucelito. Rempi was also responsible for the restoration of the Lynch jewelry building

2620
04:16:14,070 --> 04:16:19,270
on Western Avenue, which received historic tax credits for the quality of the restoration.

2621
04:16:20,070 --> 04:16:25,210
We have a team of over eight consultants, all of them experienced in this kind of work.

2622
04:16:25,210 --> 04:16:31,750
The care and preparation in advance of construction is quite beyond any project that I worked on.

2623
04:16:32,190 --> 04:16:39,290
We have voluntarily produced arborist, jutec, and hydrology reports and constructed story pools.

2624
04:16:40,490 --> 04:16:49,470
When I began this project, the Coddenture ADU in the back was already in plan check and the main residents already had a floor plan that met their needs.

2625
04:16:50,530 --> 04:16:55,710
As I worked with Pete and Jenny on the edition, they got some pushback from me and they made

2626
04:16:55,710 --> 04:17:01,490
a lot of compromises. The project is to be their final home to age in. It is not a corporate

2627
04:17:01,490 --> 04:17:08,430
retreat or an office. The dining room does not seat 72 people as something, but shows

2628
04:17:08,430 --> 04:17:14,430
two possible table arrangements. The proposed basement includes not only a garage, but

2629
04:17:14,430 --> 04:17:18,150
a workshop, mechanical room, my room, and a wine cellar.

2630
04:17:18,650 --> 04:17:23,350
This is a home for generations of family to gather, nothing more.

2631
04:17:25,370 --> 04:17:30,190
Regarding public outreach, our public outreach could have had a better start.

2632
04:17:30,610 --> 04:17:35,730
In May before we submitted our application to HEPC, I told Pete and Jenny that we needed

2633
04:17:35,730 --> 04:17:37,890
to have a neighborhood meeting in advance of the hearing.

2634
04:17:38,810 --> 04:17:43,370
When we were notified of our hearing date scheduled for July, we realized that a neighborhood

2635
04:17:43,370 --> 04:17:45,050
of a meeting had not been arranged yet.

2636
04:17:45,670 --> 04:17:48,210
But by this time the COVID pandemic was ramping up,

2637
04:17:48,890 --> 04:17:50,890
wildfires had started in Sonoma County

2638
04:17:50,890 --> 04:17:52,870
and the Hosses took a cautious approach

2639
04:17:52,870 --> 04:17:57,010
by placing plans of the project at the front door

2640
04:17:57,010 --> 04:17:59,230
of every adjacent neighbor with a note

2641
04:17:59,230 --> 04:18:00,790
that they would answer any questions

2642
04:18:00,790 --> 04:18:02,570
in lieu of a group meeting.

2643
04:18:03,550 --> 04:18:08,110
Following the ACPC hearing, I personally met

2644
04:18:08,110 --> 04:18:09,870
with the Beaties and the Torels

2645
04:18:09,870 --> 04:18:11,650
to better understand their concerns

2646
04:18:11,650 --> 04:18:17,230
and show them our virtual 3D model so that they can see the perspective from different locations.

2647
04:18:18,630 --> 04:18:22,490
Shortly after discussing the neighbors concerns with Pete and Ginny, the

2648
04:18:22,490 --> 04:18:27,030
sunroom was removed from the project and the lower deck shortened by three feet.

2649
04:18:27,570 --> 04:18:33,010
However, the appellants continue to circulate flyers and images of the project with the sunroom.

2650
04:18:33,930 --> 04:18:36,790
There are complaints that there has not been enough public outreach.

2651
04:18:37,670 --> 04:18:41,270
Personally, I have never had a project with so much public awareness.

2652
04:18:41,890 --> 04:18:47,150
I went in for a haircut a couple of months ago and my barber asked me what was going on

2653
04:18:47,150 --> 04:18:50,590
and informed me that it was all anyone was talking about.

2654
04:18:53,430 --> 04:18:59,390
Regarding historic resources, Diana Painter Preservation was retained to evaluate our project

2655
04:18:59,390 --> 04:19:01,630
and write the historic resource evaluation.

2656
04:19:02,710 --> 04:19:08,570
Dr. Painter holds a PhD in architecture, a master's degree in urban planning, a certificate

2657
04:19:08,570 --> 04:19:12,090
in urban design and a BA in interdisciplinary design.

2658
04:19:12,090 --> 04:19:21,810
She established her firm 18 years ago and she lived in Petaluma for nine years and continues to work within the community and the county.

2659
04:19:24,780 --> 04:19:25,580
Excuse

2660
04:19:32,140 --> 04:19:35,760
me, I lost my notes when the slide came up.

2661
04:19:41,870 --> 04:19:55,070
I feel that a riff was created by a misconception to the neighbors that the historic districts are there to preserve the houses.

2662
04:19:55,070 --> 04:19:59,230
and not understanding that rehabilitation

2663
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:29,980
Is allowed and has a separate definition, and that's the definition that's in front of you now. The three slides of this house are being preserved intact. The dormers to be removed and is one of six. It faces the backyard. It's removal will not alter the essential historic character of the house. The hip roof, replacing it, maintains the overall symmetry of the roof and keeps the

2664
04:20:29,980 --> 04:20:37,120
same form as the dormant though at a different scale. Likewise, the rear facade has been

2665
04:20:37,120 --> 04:20:43,420
significantly altered since the houses originally built. The porch addition, the deck, the French

2666
04:20:43,420 --> 04:20:50,760
doors, the exterior stair have been added to the rear elevation. And if you look closely at the

2667
04:20:50,760 --> 04:20:58,900
details, none of the historic detail that's asserted to exist is actually there on this rear

2668
04:21:00,340 --> 04:21:09,660
You can see that the doors are off center, the moldings are not the same as the house, the detail and craftsmanship simply doesn't exist.

2669
04:21:10,860 --> 04:21:18,360
The original elements on this elevation amounted four windows and the wood siding which are not considered character defining features.

2670
04:21:18,360 --> 04:21:23,140
It's been altered, and it's no longer historically significant.

2671
04:21:23,480 --> 04:21:25,620
And because it's not historically significant,

2672
04:21:26,300 --> 04:21:29,720
the categorical exemption from CEQUA is correct.

2673
04:21:30,600 --> 04:21:34,740
A more detailed justification is contained in the letters from painter preservation,

2674
04:21:35,240 --> 04:21:43,260
and also spaulting from Charter's Fresny, both dated 1221.

2675
04:21:43,260 --> 04:21:51,520
on. What this project is removing is dirt from under the house. Well, it may be more than

2676
04:21:51,520 --> 04:21:56,440
typical remodel, it is not especially deep, and there's no evidence that it will negatively

2677
04:21:56,440 --> 04:22:01,880
impact the neighbors or the groundwater, much less the historic integrity of the neighborhood.

2678
04:22:02,780 --> 04:22:07,120
Expanding the basement as other neighbors have done does not warrant an environmental report.

2679
04:22:07,120 --> 04:22:08,140
The

2680
04:22:10,220 --> 04:22:18,640
footprint of living space has been expanded by 15%, that's 585 square feet of living space.

2681
04:22:19,180 --> 04:22:28,720
The proposed remodel in addition do not expand the second floor, do not increase the height, and it's less wide than the existing house by a couple feet on each side.

2682
04:22:29,680 --> 04:22:36,100
Being able to see the addition from the neighbor's perspective is unavoidable, but this project is not looming above other homes.

2683
04:22:36,100 --> 04:22:42,060
in every way the overall dimensions of the proposed project are smaller than the existing house.

2684
04:22:44,170 --> 04:22:50,290
In terms of privacy, as planners and architects, we still encourage front porches on houses

2685
04:22:50,290 --> 04:22:54,690
to promote personal engagement with the sidewalk and have eyes on the street.

2686
04:22:55,390 --> 04:22:57,770
As neighbors, we watch out for each other.

2687
04:22:58,390 --> 04:23:02,330
Having a porch does not imply that we do not respect each other's privacy.

2688
04:23:02,330 --> 04:23:08,450
The desk proposed in this project extend the living space into the Hosses back yard.

2689
04:23:09,030 --> 04:23:13,270
No windows or views have been created looking into the neighbor's windows.

2690
04:23:13,730 --> 04:23:16,250
There is no desire to focus on their back yards.

2691
04:23:17,390 --> 04:23:22,650
The BDs have requested that trees be planted in the Hosses back yard at the BDs fence line.

2692
04:23:23,250 --> 04:23:29,170
However, existing utilities from the ADU that run through this area will conflict with

2693
04:23:29,170 --> 04:23:30,070
the plenty of trees.

2694
04:23:30,870 --> 04:23:36,130
And in response, the Hausses have offered the pay for the planning of trees in the Beatty's

2695
04:23:36,130 --> 04:23:38,450
backyard to help maintain their seclusion.

2696
04:23:41,070 --> 04:23:45,630
This prop- the opponents claimed that this project sets a precedent, and I agree, but for

2697
04:23:45,630 --> 04:23:51,030
different reasons, Petalwoman not only encourages but requires homeowners to maintain their home's

2698
04:23:51,030 --> 04:23:56,010
historic character, asking a homeowner who has gone through submitting for a permit or a

2699
04:23:56,010 --> 04:23:59,730
remodel, and you will hear how difficult and expensive it is.

2700
04:23:59,730 --> 04:24:04,850
I ask that the appeals be denied and that the conditions of approval do not become

2701
04:24:04,850 --> 04:24:05,510
onerous.

2702
04:24:06,690 --> 04:24:12,030
So I thank you for your consideration, and now, Pete and Jenny Haas would like to speak.

2703
04:24:13,210 --> 04:24:13,690
Okay.

2704
04:24:13,810 --> 04:24:15,190
I guess we have one minute to go.

2705
04:24:15,350 --> 04:24:15,850
Thanks, Bill.

2706
04:24:16,870 --> 04:24:24,350
Mayor Barrett and Council members, we are, Jenny and Pete Haas, unfortunately more people

2707
04:24:24,350 --> 04:24:27,970
know about us today than they did a couple of months ago.

2708
04:24:28,990 --> 04:24:36,470
both of us lived down the road and spent most of our lives in Nevada. However, we became enamored

2709
04:24:36,470 --> 04:24:44,450
with Petaluma five or six years ago for the sense of community, its vibrancy, the fact that

2710
04:24:44,450 --> 04:24:52,690
so many people of all ages come out for the events, whether it be following, whether it be the many

2711
04:24:52,690 --> 04:24:57,890
the events and fairs that take place as well as better

2712
04:24:57,890 --> 04:24:59,930
And we're late, stuffed with all and stuff.

2713
04:25:00,000 --> 04:25:09,300
American graffiti. There's a real downtown here, and soon to be created a gem in McNeer,

2714
04:25:09,480 --> 04:25:18,020
Peninsula. We say there's a lot of there there here. Our mothers lived in the 90s, and we became aware

2715
04:25:18,020 --> 04:25:23,340
of how ice lighting was for them when they no longer could drop. Sorry, Mr. Mrs. Hoss, but the 10 minutes

2716
04:25:23,340 --> 04:25:24,740
this was now okay

2717
04:25:27,520 --> 04:25:33,300
thank you and we're sorry to to cut you off perhaps you'll get that in and some

2718
04:25:33,300 --> 04:25:42,920
response okay so right now we have heard from the Helen's and we have heard from the applicant

2719
04:25:42,920 --> 04:25:56,080
and are there any questions on the part of council members before we go to the public I have one

2720
04:25:56,080 --> 04:26:20,940
Brittany, you had said that there was some changes to the back of the house that were done sometime after 1937. It wasn't clear, but that there were changes and the architect also said that, but one of the appellants said that the entire front back and sides were 100% brainer Jones, which of those is correct.

2721
04:26:26,790 --> 04:26:27,450
I'm going to ask the city

2722
04:26:27,450 --> 04:26:29,850
Can I look into that a little bit?

2723
04:26:30,670 --> 04:26:31,190
Yeah.

2724
04:26:32,710 --> 04:26:32,890
Okay.

2725
04:26:33,810 --> 04:26:35,630
Does anybody else on the council?

2726
04:26:35,890 --> 04:26:37,030
I'm looking for hands.

2727
04:26:37,290 --> 04:26:38,990
It says I have one hand up,

2728
04:26:38,990 --> 04:26:39,930
but I am so not.

2729
04:26:40,250 --> 04:26:40,850
There it is.

2730
04:26:41,010 --> 04:26:41,690
It's my healing.

2731
04:26:42,050 --> 04:26:42,270
Good.

2732
04:26:42,510 --> 04:26:42,770
Okay.

2733
04:26:42,990 --> 04:26:43,510
Go ahead, Mike.

2734
04:26:44,270 --> 04:26:44,970
Thank you.

2735
04:26:45,530 --> 04:26:48,510
I was going to ask the city attorney if he could

2736
04:26:49,270 --> 04:26:52,630
summarize the level of discretion the council has

2737
04:26:52,630 --> 04:26:55,010
in looking at this since where we are,

2738
04:26:55,190 --> 04:26:57,510
I believe, backing into quasi-judicial capacity,

2739
04:26:57,750 --> 04:26:59,970
and what factors were allowed to weigh

2740
04:26:59,970 --> 04:27:01,430
and what ones were not allowed to weigh.

2741
04:27:02,110 --> 04:27:02,890
Mr. Dan Lee.

2742
04:27:03,890 --> 04:27:05,510
I'd be happy to do so, Madam Mayor.

2743
04:27:05,610 --> 04:27:06,930
May I proceed in response?

2744
04:27:07,550 --> 04:27:08,230
Yes, of course.

2745
04:27:08,630 --> 04:27:09,090
Thank you.

2746
04:27:09,730 --> 04:27:17,670
So Council, I'll touch, I'll do my best to answer that.

2747
04:27:18,210 --> 04:27:21,770
And in doing so, I'll be touching on the decision factors

2748
04:27:21,770 --> 04:27:30,270
that I think Brittany did a great job identifying and summarizing and explaining in her presentation.

2749
04:27:30,790 --> 04:27:40,250
So, the council, as I think you know, is sits when it's the appeal of Peel Body deciding to appeal

2750
04:27:41,360 --> 04:27:48,110
with Denova jurisdiction, meaning it stands with the full original discretion that the original decision

2751
04:27:48,110 --> 04:27:54,730
making body had but then the question is what was that original discretion and it's important

2752
04:27:54,730 --> 04:28:03,310
for the council to be aware that it's limited discretion. This is if it weren't for the fact

2753
04:28:03,310 --> 04:28:09,070
that the home is in the a street historic district this would just require a building permit

2754
04:28:09,070 --> 04:28:18,510
but it's in the historic district and the guidelines apply that the written

2755
04:28:18,510 --> 04:28:26,690
identified and those findings and requirements in the applicable guidelines are the

2756
04:28:26,690 --> 04:28:33,070
bases for the council's decision making discretion on this project. So it's a

2757
04:28:33,070 --> 04:28:38,610
conforming project in terms of its use. It's the use is an R3 project. It's a

2758
04:28:38,610 --> 04:28:48,310
residential use that proposed use is not going to change, so it's just the conformance

2759
04:28:48,310 --> 04:28:53,990
of the project to the applicable historic spa requirements that are before the council

2760
04:28:53,990 --> 04:28:58,690
for decision as they were for the historical preservation committee.

2761
04:28:58,870 --> 04:29:06,810
So those are the secretary standards, the ten rehabilitation standards that have been

2762
04:29:06,810 --> 04:29:11,030
identified and I can run over those if that's if that's helpful again or

2763
04:29:11,030 --> 04:29:16,630
Brittany can bring them up from her slide. They're the IZO standards. They're

2764
04:29:16,630 --> 04:29:20,070
just three of those and interestingly those are in the negative so I'll just

2765
04:29:20,070 --> 04:29:27,730
touch on those briefly. They're from section 15.07O and they're presented in

2766
04:29:27,730 --> 04:29:34,450
such a way that it says that an application shall not be approved unless the

2767
04:29:34,450 --> 04:29:39,230
proposed work shall not adversely affect the exterior architectural characteristics or

2768
04:29:39,230 --> 04:29:43,770
other features of the property or adversely affect its relationship in terms of harmony

2769
04:29:43,770 --> 04:29:48,110
and appropriateness with its surroundings including neighboring structures or adversely

2770
04:29:48,110 --> 04:29:52,250
affect the character or the historical architectural aesthetic interest or value of the district.

2771
04:29:53,590 --> 04:29:58,730
So that's the second group of standards and the third and final group is what you've heard

2772
04:29:58,730 --> 04:29:59,970
to discuss this is the issue.

2773
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:29,780
The history of historic district standards that Britain also identified for you, some of which are not relevant to this application. But the main ones are that note, no structure in the district is to be altered from or reconstructed in anything other than its original style. The historic district standards are very, their style conscious, their careful definitions of the different architectural styles in them. All additions, restorations,

2774
04:30:29,780 --> 04:30:36,020
alterations and reconstructions are consistent with the structure's original design and then there's

2775
04:30:36,020 --> 04:30:41,220
some discussion of setback attention to be given to the maintaining the rhythm of solid mass to

2776
04:30:41,220 --> 04:30:53,560
open space along front ages, et cetera. So those are the council's bases for decision and exercise

2777
04:30:53,560 --> 04:31:03,940
As you can see, it's not like it's a zoning amendment that we sometimes refer to those as truly discretionary and can be denied outright by the council.

2778
04:31:04,660 --> 04:31:06,380
It's a more limited kind of review.

2779
04:31:06,900 --> 04:31:17,300
And in terms of environmental analysis, you've probably seen, hopefully seen in the record that there's been disagreement between the applicant team.

2780
04:31:17,300 --> 04:31:25,120
And the, and the appellant team with respect to whether the sequel review has been adequate.

2781
04:31:27,110 --> 04:31:30,540
I support the staff contention that it has been.

2782
04:31:32,160 --> 04:31:45,880
The letters that we received today from the appellants are, I'm sorry, from the applicants legal team and from their historic expert are, I think are very pertinent and substantive.

2783
04:31:45,880 --> 04:32:03,620
And I think they there's good authority cited as to why not just one but arguably three exemptions apply to the project and and also there's authority cited for for the standard that really applies to consider whether the exception to the exemptions applies.

2784
04:32:04,600 --> 04:32:07,200
And I think there's a good argument that it does not.

2785
04:32:08,040 --> 04:32:20,280
And at least on my reading, I find, you know, Mr. Perry's arguments and the ones we heard from the appellants regarding this three to be, I think those are fairly conclusory those those arguments.

2786
04:32:20,940 --> 04:32:27,940
Another thing that's not discussed and that the council's familiar with is the fact that and it's difficult to apply this, I grant you.

2787
04:32:27,940 --> 04:32:35,040
and then the council is aware of this too, but since the Macorple decision, we've had

2788
04:32:35,040 --> 04:32:41,320
to confront the fact that decision-making values like the council when it's sitting in

2789
04:32:41,320 --> 04:32:49,440
its quasi-adjudicatory capacity at night, and that exercising limited discretion are also

2790
04:32:49,440 --> 04:33:11,320
subject to to to to limited SQL review in the sense that that under the mccorkal case the council can only require SQL review with respect to environmental impacts that the that the council's decision making authority on that on that application permits them to to condition.

2791
04:33:11,320 --> 04:33:17,160
And in this case, we've just reviewed, you know, I've just reviewed in a more cursory

2792
04:33:17,160 --> 04:33:19,280
way than Brittany described for you.

2793
04:33:19,740 --> 04:33:24,020
What those bases for decision are, those are the same ones that are the potential bases

2794
04:33:24,020 --> 04:33:30,480
for mitigation of potential environmental impacts.

2795
04:33:31,480 --> 04:33:37,080
And you can see how focused they are in aesthetics and how limited they are, and when you think

2796
04:33:37,080 --> 04:33:42,660
the full range of potential environmental impacts that are addressed in an EIR.

2797
04:33:42,900 --> 04:33:49,380
So that's not something that's been addressed in the exchange between the applicants and

2798
04:33:49,380 --> 04:33:54,600
appellate experts, but I think it's important for us to be aware of that too in terms of what

2799
04:33:54,600 --> 04:34:02,280
even an EIR might look like in this kind of context. It seems a little circular to me.

2800
04:34:02,280 --> 04:34:12,200
Finally, and it's important for the council to be aware that even though it's decision-making

2801
04:34:12,200 --> 04:34:21,440
with respect to this application is required to focus on those factors of decision, the

2802
04:34:21,440 --> 04:34:30,440
historic guidelines, the historic spark guidelines that we've been discussing, and conditions related

2803
04:34:30,440 --> 04:34:35,280
to those that are supported by substantial evidence in the record and in access to those findings.

2804
04:34:36,000 --> 04:34:45,220
If the applicant, even in the absence of potential of those links, is amenable to conditions

2805
04:34:46,220 --> 04:34:53,960
that have been sought or recommended, then that's then there's not a barrier to the council

2806
04:34:54,920 --> 04:34:58,680
including those in its conditions on the project, so.

2807
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:18,860
Hopefully that's somewhat clear, and I'd be happy to answer further questions if the council has them. Thank you very much. Mr. Healey, did you want to follow up on that? No, you're good. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Brittany Brittany.

2808
04:35:21,040 --> 04:35:29,000
Yeah, so I can I can address your question now about the rare. Let me go ahead and share my screen.

2809
04:35:30,640 --> 04:35:36,740
because there are a few features on the rear, and I want to be sure that we're discussing.

2810
04:35:39,070 --> 04:35:40,690
We know what we're discussing.

2811
04:35:41,890 --> 04:35:44,490
So this is the applicant's PowerPoint presentation.

2812
04:35:45,250 --> 04:35:50,430
I found it useful for this actual exact question.

2813
04:35:51,650 --> 04:35:56,910
The HRE talks about a rear porch and then the rear deck and stairs.

2814
04:35:56,910 --> 04:36:03,650
And the weird, this feature here is the porch, and this feature here is the deck and stairs

2815
04:36:03,650 --> 04:36:04,430
that it mentions.

2816
04:36:05,390 --> 04:36:13,110
And the Menzel Pier review discusses one that the deck and stairs, while she agrees that

2817
04:36:13,110 --> 04:36:20,570
they were sometime after 1937, really thinks that circa 1937 is a better way to put that.

2818
04:36:20,570 --> 04:36:34,570
So that was one kind of discussion point back and forth between the two specialists and then the men's LPR review also asserts that because this happened within

2819
04:36:34,570 --> 04:36:44,030
Jones period of activity. It's possible that he designed it although painter then responses

2820
04:36:44,650 --> 04:36:51,170
responds with an assertion that it's highly unlikely because he would have moved on

2821
04:36:51,170 --> 04:37:02,830
to more lever projects by then. And then the applicant slides show the level of historic detail

2822
04:37:02,830 --> 04:37:10,750
And the porch itself that's missing to try and kind of clarify that point here.

2823
04:37:10,910 --> 04:37:19,310
You'll see the little bracket work underneath the window trim is done here on the side window, but it's missing from the porch.

2824
04:37:23,580 --> 04:37:28,400
It's those detail elements that they're they're using to justify that position.

2825
04:37:28,840 --> 04:37:35,860
And you can ask either one of the specialists if you'd like them to kind of assert their position more more than how I've described it.

2826
04:37:35,860 --> 04:37:44,320
I was just asking whether or not there were additions to the house later than the original house in the back.

2827
04:37:44,840 --> 04:37:48,940
Because that is what I heard and that is what you just confirmed.

2828
04:37:49,660 --> 04:37:52,520
So that's my question. So that's fine.

2829
04:37:54,580 --> 04:37:56,400
Councilmember Healey, do you have your hand back up?

2830
04:37:57,680 --> 04:37:58,340
Are you okay?

2831
04:37:59,900 --> 04:38:04,640
I have to answer that question. I'm sorry, but I don't know the right timing to.

2832
04:38:06,700 --> 04:38:12,380
That's Diana painter speaking right there, but no, I'm satisfied with the answer to my question at this point.

2833
04:38:12,720 --> 04:38:18,540
If someone else brings it up, we will, you know, you might be part of that response with your team.

2834
04:38:18,540 --> 04:38:19,020
Okay.

2835
04:38:21,320 --> 04:38:22,460
Vice Mayor Fisher.

2836
04:38:23,720 --> 04:38:39,140
So following up on the comments by our city attorney in regard to our scope of authority here and what we can be doing and the environmental analysis and the conditions of approval so in on starting on page 19 of the staff report.

2837
04:38:39,140 --> 04:38:44,060
There are additional conditions of approval that staff is recommending.

2838
04:38:44,740 --> 04:38:56,080
A number of them and I'm wondering if you can clarify for me which one of those conditions we can actually impose and which have to be approved by the applicant to be able to impose.

2839
04:39:00,400 --> 04:39:03,820
You're happy to do my best with staff's help. So let's see.

2840
04:39:06,660 --> 04:39:08,600
So is that starting with?

2841
04:39:19,640 --> 04:39:20,320
So,

2842
04:39:25,730 --> 04:39:43,610
I mean, so starting with 17, I mean staff correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't, I don't see anything regarding condition 17 that has a link to the historic spa.

2843
04:39:44,550 --> 04:39:51,090
requirements that we just have been talking about under the IZO, the secretary standards

2844
04:39:51,090 --> 04:39:55,690
and the A-Street guidelines. Am I too disagree?

2845
04:39:55,810 --> 04:39:56,370
That's correct.

2846
04:39:56,610 --> 04:39:59,830
This is something that the applicant has been willing to do.

2847
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:29,980
So to provide some sort of additional comfort level to the appellans relative to the scope of work proposed. So the applicants has expressed willingness to accept 17 as a condition, even though we don't see a nexus to the historic spa requirements. Right. Okay. So just so is that okay as an answer for that item and vice mayor will continue going through. Looking forward. Thank you. Okay. So let's see.

2848
04:40:31,640 --> 04:40:34,260
Well, maybe, maybe the same time,

2849
04:40:34,320 --> 04:40:36,020
I need to want to talk about that.

2850
04:40:36,020 --> 04:40:38,280
So, in my presentation,

2851
04:40:39,200 --> 04:40:43,020
I raised the two conditions

2852
04:40:43,020 --> 04:40:45,040
that the applicant has concerns over.

2853
04:40:46,980 --> 04:40:48,600
So, let me ask that.

2854
04:40:48,960 --> 04:40:51,500
22 and then 28 is 22

2855
04:40:51,500 --> 04:40:53,540
and then 28 and 29,

2856
04:40:53,540 --> 04:40:55,700
which are specific to the tree plantings.

2857
04:40:56,260 --> 04:40:57,340
So, with 22,

2858
04:40:57,340 --> 04:41:13,140
I'm really the concern was just clarification that this was let's say 22 is the project applicant will provide copies of the grading and reading drainage plans excavation plan foundation plan water proofing plan, etc.

2859
04:41:13,140 --> 04:41:38,260
The concern here is wanting to ensure that the appellans understand that they can't necessarily pull those back from being approved by the city, but it's more a communication gesture and then also wanting to omit the floor plans from those plan packages for the privacy of the homeowners.

2860
04:41:38,260 --> 04:41:58,100
So, so maybe that latter bit should be should be expressly added, but I think, you know, 22 as it's written now just talks about providing those copies and that doesn't create any new discretionary approval of this counselor or any other body, right?

2861
04:41:58,100 --> 04:42:07,740
So, you know, if the, if in, in satisfying that condition, the information is provided and there's neighborhood objections, there they're not going to be.

2862
04:42:10,920 --> 04:42:17,020
Those objections wouldn't be a basis for somehow revisiting project approvals if the project is in fact approved.

2863
04:42:18,540 --> 04:42:19,020
Right.

2864
04:42:21,250 --> 04:42:22,270
Anyway, that's my view.

2865
04:42:22,410 --> 04:42:26,470
So, and the next one was section number 28.

2866
04:42:35,850 --> 04:42:45,890
So I see I mean, it might be I want to make sure that it's not misnumbered in the stock award. I have 27 and 28 on the. Yeah, so do I. Okay.

2867
04:42:46,270 --> 04:42:48,970
Or seems to be a duplication of 17 and 18.

2868
04:42:50,650 --> 04:42:55,490
Okay, yeah, that's in touch. That's right. So starting with 27 then.

2869
04:42:55,490 --> 04:42:56,970
on page 20.

2870
04:42:59,350 --> 04:43:02,450
Again, I don't see any nexus to any of the historic

2871
04:43:02,450 --> 04:43:09,250
spa requirements for that. Do you disagree, Bernie?

2872
04:43:15,980 --> 04:43:19,760
Relative to the standards of review that we've discussed now.

2873
04:43:19,900 --> 04:43:23,040
Yes. You don't disagree?

2874
04:43:23,600 --> 04:43:24,780
No. I don't disagree.

2875
04:43:25,440 --> 04:43:30,940
Okay. So in other words, I think if the council were to condition that

2876
04:43:30,940 --> 04:43:35,920
And that would require the applicant to be agreeable to accepting that.

2877
04:43:37,380 --> 04:43:46,940
And then I would say the same with respect to 28, only more so in terms of the, you know,

2878
04:43:47,120 --> 04:43:52,520
not just the planning, but then deed restrictions, I find no basis for requiring any of those

2879
04:43:52,520 --> 04:43:52,920
things.

2880
04:43:53,600 --> 04:43:55,520
And in the historic spot requirements,

2881
04:43:58,180 --> 04:43:59,600
any disagreement, Brittany?

2882
04:44:00,580 --> 04:44:06,300
And I would say the same with respect to some of the comments where you haven't even presented

2883
04:44:06,300 --> 04:44:06,980
them as a condition.

2884
04:44:07,180 --> 04:44:13,980
I don't think but even more so for the proposal that I think at least one of the opponents

2885
04:44:13,980 --> 04:44:20,340
mentioned about seeking some kind of some kind of actual security, you know, if there's

2886
04:44:20,340 --> 04:44:24,640
some kind of, I'll say the general matter, if there's some kind of damage that results

2887
04:44:24,640 --> 04:44:30,080
to neighboring properties like subsidence or other property damages as a result of this project

2888
04:44:30,080 --> 04:44:34,340
work, if it's if it's approved by the council to go forward, that's going to be a basis of

2889
04:44:34,340 --> 04:44:42,140
civil liability for the for the applicant that would also be a basis for affected property owners

2890
04:44:42,140 --> 04:44:47,380
to, you know, make claims against their insurance. So that's the mechanism to address that, but I

2891
04:44:48,000 --> 04:44:53,320
there's nothing in that historic spa requirements that would give a basis for the council to to

2892
04:44:53,320 --> 04:44:56,100
to require that as a condition if the applicant was not agreeable.

2893
04:44:58,200 --> 04:44:58,580
Great.

2894
04:44:58,860 --> 04:44:59,400
Thank you very much.

2895
04:44:59,720 --> 04:44:59,960
Sure.

2896
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:29,880
Thank you. Okay, thank you. I don't see any other questions from council members, so I'm going to ask our, we're going to, this is a public hearing and we're going to go to public comment right now, and I'm going to ask our city clerk if she's received any public comment. Mayor Barrett, we received 23 public comments prior to tonight's meeting, all of which have been posted to the website. Okay, thank you.

2897
04:45:29,880 --> 04:45:38,660
and now I'm going to ask our moderator Aaron to see if there's people in attendance who want

2898
04:45:38,660 --> 04:45:46,200
to speak to this issue. Now I'm assuming there's going to be a number of you who do want to speak

2899
04:45:46,200 --> 04:45:53,700
to this because as has been mentioned there's been a lot of community involvement in this issue.

2900
04:45:53,700 --> 04:46:07,540
I would really ask you, given the time of day right now, if someone has already said what you wanted to say, please just say me too.

2901
04:46:08,360 --> 04:46:11,560
But, you know, please do not just be repetitive.

2902
04:46:11,560 --> 04:46:24,320
So if you have something new to add that has not been covered by the appellants or by the applicant, you're more than welcome to speak but, you know, I just want you to be

2903
04:46:25,640 --> 04:46:28,300
observant of our time on this issue.

2904
04:46:28,840 --> 04:46:31,560
So Mr. Moderator.

2905
04:46:32,560 --> 04:46:37,620
Thank you Madam Mayor. During public comment, the public is invited to make comments on items

2906
04:46:37,620 --> 04:46:42,340
of public interest that are within the City Council's subject matter jurisdiction and for

2907
04:46:42,340 --> 04:46:47,980
this specific agenda item. Public comments are limited to three minutes per person. At

2908
04:46:47,980 --> 04:46:52,400
this time, anyone in the public that would like to speak of this item, please raise your hand.

2909
04:46:53,840 --> 04:46:56,420
Madam Mayor, I see one hand raised so far.

2910
04:47:00,820 --> 04:47:04,320
Just as I says that, we have a few more. So to

2911
04:47:04,320 --> 04:47:10,920
start. I will have Susan Kirk's followed by Lawrence. Susan, I'm allowing you to speak.

2912
04:47:11,300 --> 04:47:12,460
You can unmute yourself in the end.

2913
04:47:16,130 --> 04:47:18,810
Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and City Council.

2914
04:47:20,110 --> 04:47:27,710
I am Susan Kirk's, Pedal and the resident. I was a recent candidate for City Council and I really

2915
04:47:27,710 --> 04:47:34,510
wish I was sitting with you this evening because I think that this is a really a pivotal issue being

2916
04:47:34,510 --> 04:47:43,530
heard at 11.37 at night. And I think it carries many, many implications for the citizens of

2917
04:47:43,530 --> 04:47:50,410
our community. And I'm really pleased to be able to make a few comments. I'd like to acknowledge

2918
04:47:50,410 --> 04:47:57,710
the appellants and the who are the neighbors, who would be the neighbors to the houses if and when

2919
04:47:57,710 --> 04:48:01,370
and they move into this amazing home.

2920
04:48:02,070 --> 04:48:04,650
And I think that's something to really keep in mind

2921
04:48:04,650 --> 04:48:06,250
that these are the neighbors.

2922
04:48:06,570 --> 04:48:10,670
These are the residents of the historic district there

2923
04:48:10,670 --> 04:48:14,810
who have devoted their lives and are raising their families

2924
04:48:14,810 --> 04:48:19,110
and really enjoy their quality of life

2925
04:48:19,110 --> 04:48:22,190
and enjoy what being in a historic district is.

2926
04:48:22,770 --> 04:48:25,130
And I don't think it could be understated

2927
04:48:25,130 --> 04:48:29,810
that the excavation from underneath this house is massive.

2928
04:48:30,330 --> 04:48:34,870
It's the equivalent of two middle-class homes

2929
04:48:34,870 --> 04:48:39,830
being excavated from underneath this historic home

2930
04:48:39,830 --> 04:48:44,590
within a few feet of other historic residences.

2931
04:48:45,550 --> 04:48:52,210
And I note that Mr. Danley mentioned that there was a disagreement

2932
04:48:52,210 --> 04:48:57,050
between the applicant and the appellant on the CEQA

2933
04:48:57,570 --> 04:48:59,350
extension and the CEQA review.

2934
04:48:59,650 --> 04:49:01,510
And I'd ask you to take note of that.

2935
04:49:02,150 --> 04:49:06,690
And I do believe with the ICO mentions by Mr. Danley

2936
04:49:06,690 --> 04:49:10,270
that you could find that all of those

2937
04:49:10,270 --> 04:49:12,770
would be creating adverse effects.

2938
04:49:13,790 --> 04:49:17,530
Also, I'd like to say that it's

2939
04:49:20,830 --> 04:49:22,410
not that the Hosses

2940
04:49:22,410 --> 04:49:27,770
are not welcomed in Petalima, of course they would be, but I was not persuaded by Mr.

2941
04:49:28,050 --> 04:49:34,590
Wolperts reasoning for there not being the required community outreach. That just

2942
04:49:34,590 --> 04:49:40,190
simply isn't acceptable. And as leaders of our city, I think you have to consider all

2943
04:49:40,190 --> 04:49:47,980
of these factors and that home. And what it means to excavate the equivalent of two

2944
04:49:47,980 --> 04:49:54,840
middle class houses from underneath the head house and the potential environmental impacts

2945
04:49:54,840 --> 04:49:59,860
including to three root systems, and to other

2946
04:50:00,000 --> 04:50:15,960
Unnones for these families who live within 10 feet of who their neighbors would be. I hope that you can come to a decision so that there can be a harmonious outcome. I think that's really important. And thank you for accepting my comment.

2947
04:50:20,700 --> 04:50:21,260
Thank you.

2948
04:50:24,970 --> 04:50:36,950
So the next thing we have is Lawrence, followed by Kit. Lawrence, I'm now allowing you to speak. You can unmute yourself in the end. Well, thank you for this opportunity to present.

2949
04:50:36,950 --> 04:50:48,630
my case or observations, I as a very, very near neighbor to the perspective remodel and very,

2950
04:50:48,630 --> 04:50:58,350
very concerned by the city's application of responsibility of having an independent non-biased

2951
04:50:58,350 --> 04:51:07,670
source that is a environmental impact done by the government into the excavation.

2952
04:51:08,290 --> 04:51:11,890
This has been mentioned a number of times I'm going to limit my comments to that.

2953
04:51:12,110 --> 04:51:13,330
That is my main concern.

2954
04:51:13,770 --> 04:51:16,550
I am within five foot of that property.

2955
04:51:16,830 --> 04:51:17,190
Thank you.

2956
04:51:20,970 --> 04:51:21,350
Thank you.

2957
04:51:27,280 --> 04:51:29,120
The last hand up we have is Kit.

2958
04:51:29,560 --> 04:51:30,900
I will now allow you to speak.

2959
04:51:31,040 --> 04:51:32,200
You can unmute yourself in the end.

2960
04:51:33,280 --> 04:51:33,460
Hi.

2961
04:51:33,460 --> 04:51:40,420
My kid, Slick is my wife, I'm Steve Slick, she is ill tonight and I would like you to permit me to read her statement.

2962
04:51:41,480 --> 04:51:51,920
Madam Mayor, City Council members and city manager, my name is Kit Slick, I've been a part of Heritage Homes since 2004 and served as president for two of those years.

2963
04:51:52,480 --> 04:51:58,760
I also serve on the Historical and Cultural Preservation Committee as the representative from the Petaluma Museum Association.

2964
04:51:58,760 --> 04:52:05,500
This last July of the HCPC approved a proposal for the changes at 26th Street.

2965
04:52:06,680 --> 04:52:09,980
Reflecting back on our decision, I regret my vote for approval.

2966
04:52:10,460 --> 04:52:14,780
I believe this remodel will set the negative precedent for how we treat our historic neighborhoods.

2967
04:52:15,460 --> 04:52:18,340
There's a larger issue here that we pet allumans should discuss.

2968
04:52:18,860 --> 04:52:24,040
Our most recent general plan encourages smart growth for infill projects in the city core.

2969
04:52:24,040 --> 04:52:28,440
I support that vision for the most part, especially in commercial areas.

2970
04:52:29,120 --> 04:52:33,340
But in some historic neighborhoods, many lots are small and or narrow.

2971
04:52:34,220 --> 04:52:40,120
And so adding two story additions and accessory dwelling units, ADUs, creates negative and

2972
04:52:40,120 --> 04:52:41,220
effects on neighbors.

2973
04:52:41,780 --> 04:52:47,040
Every two story addition and ADU impacts the privacy and natural light for multiple neighboring

2974
04:52:47,040 --> 04:52:47,600
households.

2975
04:52:48,100 --> 04:52:51,780
Unfortunately, there's nothing in our building code that prohibits this kind of new construction.

2976
04:52:51,780 --> 04:52:56,980
A number of some recent proposals before the committee have caused grief for petal and

2977
04:52:56,980 --> 04:53:01,680
miscitizens living in several neighborhoods, including John Maher, known as Petal and

2978
04:53:01,680 --> 04:53:02,960
McPete and his wife Brenda.

2979
04:53:03,940 --> 04:53:09,280
As petal and miscitizens work to update the general plan, I hope better consideration is

2980
04:53:09,280 --> 04:53:15,220
made to providing restrictions for ADUs in historic neighborhoods, depending on height, lot size

2981
04:53:15,220 --> 04:53:16,460
and proximity to neighbors.

2982
04:53:16,460 --> 04:53:22,900
But in the short term, I advise rejecting the proposed renovations to 26th Street.

2983
04:53:23,540 --> 04:53:27,900
And I support neighboring residents in their request that this project be scaled down

2984
04:53:27,900 --> 04:53:29,600
to lessen its impact on others.

2985
04:53:30,160 --> 04:53:30,680
Thank you.

2986
04:53:33,040 --> 04:53:33,720
Thank you.

2987
04:53:35,500 --> 04:53:39,080
The next speaker we have is Helen, followed by Ali.

2988
04:53:39,720 --> 04:53:41,360
Helen, I will allow you to speak.

2989
04:53:41,500 --> 04:53:42,500
You can unmute the speaker.

2990
04:53:45,140 --> 04:53:45,740
Hello.

2991
04:53:45,740 --> 04:54:15,720
Hello, my name's Ellen Halfaway. My family and I live in Petaluma the last 20 years. We live in a historic home. I just want to echo my support for the public comments that have come before me and also just say it's unfortunate that this is taking place this evening at such a late hour because I think that there would be a multitude of people such as myself who have young children or elderly and not able to stay up to

2992
04:54:15,720 --> 04:54:19,220
to midnight to voice their support

2993
04:54:19,920 --> 04:54:22,860
of scaling back this project or stopping it.

2994
04:54:23,300 --> 04:54:26,040
And I also just hope for prudence.

2995
04:54:26,240 --> 04:54:27,880
What is the rush, you know,

2996
04:54:27,900 --> 04:54:30,760
that there was not the public,

2997
04:54:31,380 --> 04:54:32,860
was not made aware of this

2998
04:54:32,860 --> 04:54:35,180
and why are we rushing it through?

2999
04:54:37,460 --> 04:54:38,820
Let's take a pause.

3000
04:54:39,280 --> 04:54:40,420
Thank you for your time.

3001
04:54:43,780 --> 04:54:44,200
Thank you.

3002
04:54:44,200 --> 04:54:51,830
Next speaker we have is Halle Cates, allow you to speak. You can unmute yourself and begin.

3003
04:54:53,570 --> 04:54:59,870
Hello mayor and council members. My name is Allie Cates and I am a member.

3004
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:22,980
I really like to call myself a member because I really do love what Petaluma is and the community that is created around Petaluma is huge and to make such a big issue over the hauses coming into Petaluma and specifically with their project is just a disservice to the community.

3005
04:55:22,980 --> 04:55:32,740
This family is upholds so many, so many amazing values and I think that we should welcome them into our town.

3006
04:55:33,220 --> 04:55:47,140
I think that the city of Petaluma has bigger things that we can be working on and to be honest everything that as as a neighbor in this area of where they are doing their building.

3007
04:55:49,620 --> 04:56:06,060
I do not echo the same beliefs that have come before me about that this is going to be a huge project or that it's going to impose on other neighbors like, yes, whenever there is any construction does you're going to hear the noise and the construction.

3008
04:56:06,060 --> 04:56:09,720
but that's what happens when we are building up our community.

3009
04:56:10,240 --> 04:56:14,460
So I just really urge you to consider how incredible these individuals are

3010
04:56:14,460 --> 04:56:18,880
and that they're coming into uphold this community and its values.

3011
04:56:19,240 --> 04:56:22,200
And that is the reason why my husband and I moved to Petaluma

3012
04:56:22,200 --> 04:56:24,500
and while we want to start a family in Petaluma

3013
04:56:24,500 --> 04:56:27,360
is because we love the values of Petaluma.

3014
04:56:27,660 --> 04:56:29,140
So let's uphold those.

3015
04:56:29,800 --> 04:56:30,460
Thank you.

3016
04:56:35,320 --> 04:56:36,080
Thank you.

3017
04:56:36,080 --> 04:56:40,760
The next speaker we have is Janice Kier Thompson. Janice, I'll allow you to speak.

3018
04:56:40,900 --> 04:56:42,020
You can unmute yourself and begin.

3019
04:56:45,910 --> 04:56:49,030
I just want to voice support for this project.

3020
04:56:53,620 --> 04:56:53,880
Thank you.

3021
04:56:59,750 --> 04:57:05,110
The next speaker we have is NR and R. I will unmute you or allow you to speak.

3022
04:57:05,270 --> 04:57:13,790
You can unmute and begin to speak. Thanks. I just wanted to again reiterate some of the comments.

3023
04:57:13,790 --> 04:57:17,450
I want to support this project by the Hosses.

3024
04:57:18,030 --> 04:57:20,970
There are several presidents that are disturbing to me.

3025
04:57:21,690 --> 04:57:26,870
Number one is the mischaracterization and misinformation campaign by the neighbors.

3026
04:57:27,210 --> 04:57:29,750
It's extremely disturbing to me as a resident.

3027
04:57:31,130 --> 04:57:34,970
And two, if the city has approved this,

3028
04:57:36,150 --> 04:57:39,510
we should be fighting to change the laws if we have a problem with that.

3029
04:57:39,750 --> 04:57:41,010
We shouldn't be fighting the neighbors.

3030
04:57:41,010 --> 04:57:52,490
I feel that the experts that spoke tonight and all of the information that's been submitted are by experts who've taken every, they've taken their time.

3031
04:57:53,150 --> 04:58:01,110
They've researched this and I'm in full support and I don't want to take them any more time other than to voice my support. Thanks.

3032
04:58:04,340 --> 04:58:06,320
Thank you.

3033
04:58:06,320 --> 04:58:07,300
out of the air at this point,

3034
04:58:07,320 --> 04:58:09,200
I do not see any other hands raised.

3035
04:58:12,120 --> 04:58:13,180
Thank you very much.

3036
04:58:13,300 --> 04:58:15,320
And with that, we will close the public comment

3037
04:58:15,320 --> 04:58:17,200
and we'll bring it back to the council.

3038
04:58:18,060 --> 04:58:22,220
I just like to ask the council to weigh in.

3039
04:58:23,440 --> 04:58:27,040
I think it's important, especially in a case like this,

3040
04:58:27,180 --> 04:58:28,700
which seems kind of controversial

3041
04:58:29,440 --> 04:58:32,920
in that there's been so much community involvement,

3042
04:58:32,920 --> 04:58:45,120
that if people have had meetings with people who are involved in this, it would be nice for the council to make that known.

3043
04:58:45,820 --> 04:58:59,600
And saying so, I will say that I have been to the site. I did walk the site with the architect. I met the horses, but very briefly they just came out to introduce themselves.

3044
04:58:59,600 --> 04:59:04,000
and went back to where they're living on the site.

3045
04:59:05,860 --> 04:59:08,320
And I did walk around the whole thing.

3046
04:59:08,580 --> 04:59:12,800
I have been back to the site several times,

3047
04:59:13,480 --> 04:59:15,120
but not on the site.

3048
04:59:15,200 --> 04:59:16,640
I haven't been trespassing. Don't worry.

3049
04:59:17,480 --> 04:59:22,040
But I have been going by and just checking it out

3050
04:59:22,040 --> 04:59:26,240
from what I'm reading and looking at in these pictures.

3051
04:59:26,240 --> 04:59:28,120
So I just wanted to disclose that.

3052
04:59:30,000 --> 04:59:33,720
So I don't know if other council members want to do that.

3053
04:59:34,180 --> 04:59:38,000
Or if we just want to get right into the conversation about this,

3054
04:59:38,000 --> 04:59:39,000
this project.

3055
04:59:40,280 --> 04:59:44,980
Well, I will say that I did call the architect when I first heard,

3056
04:59:45,320 --> 04:59:47,660
um, several, maybe two months ago,

3057
04:59:47,960 --> 04:59:52,260
that, you know, what was happening in the neighborhood and had a discussion with him about,

3058
04:59:52,880 --> 04:59:54,400
about what was happening.

3059
04:59:55,500 --> 04:59:59,960
and met with him again today and have been to the site number of times.

3060
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:28,000
I'm starting three years ago. Okay. And did I see a hand from Mr. Kerney? Yeah, Madam Mayor, I live in the neighborhood. So I've been by the site numerous times. I've not walked the site with the architect. I'm not met with a host family nor have I met with any of the appellants. I've just read the volumes that have been presented by our staff or are meeting this evening. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember King,

3061
05:00:28,000 --> 05:00:31,060
followed by council member Miller.

3062
05:00:32,080 --> 05:00:32,880
Just amount of mayor.

3063
05:00:34,060 --> 05:00:41,500
I too have been by that street, you know, somewhere in the vicinity of 30,000 times, I suppose.

3064
05:00:42,540 --> 05:00:46,000
I'm a resident of six street further up the road quite a bit.

3065
05:00:46,580 --> 05:00:49,460
And my office is not far from there.

3066
05:00:50,280 --> 05:00:51,740
I have not been on the property.

3067
05:00:51,940 --> 05:00:53,700
I did walk over to just see.

3068
05:00:55,100 --> 05:01:02,800
what would be dealing with one morning, as with you, I did not trust pass or go beyond that.

3069
05:01:02,900 --> 05:01:04,540
In fact, I'm not sure if I cross the street.

3070
05:01:05,240 --> 05:01:15,080
I did have a brief conversation with, or Peter Kowski on the issue of continuance of this request that we not continue this two or three weeks ago.

3071
05:01:16,280 --> 05:01:18,900
I would estimate that conversation was about three minutes.

3072
05:01:18,900 --> 05:01:30,300
I have not talked to the appellants or the applicants, specifically about the project.

3073
05:01:31,220 --> 05:01:39,300
I imagine I have received the same emails that all of us have received and communications

3074
05:01:39,300 --> 05:01:46,000
from the public, obviously the staff report.

3075
05:01:46,600 --> 05:01:49,040
I didn't want to make a comment about the timing.

3076
05:01:49,260 --> 05:01:50,820
We had a couple of people comment on this.

3077
05:01:51,480 --> 05:01:56,060
No one is wild about being here at 11-30 or whatever the time of the night.

3078
05:01:57,840 --> 05:02:00,180
The staff, I can tell you, is not happy about this.

3079
05:02:00,620 --> 05:02:03,800
The council probably would prefer to deal with this at an earlier hour.

3080
05:02:04,100 --> 05:02:09,300
Unfortunately, when we have the type of agendas that we have,

3081
05:02:09,620 --> 05:02:10,580
it takes time.

3082
05:02:10,860 --> 05:02:13,500
There are other pressing matters with the city.

3083
05:02:13,500 --> 05:02:22,120
and we unfortunately frequently find ourselves moving into the next day so I apologize to those

3084
05:02:22,120 --> 05:02:29,420
of you that are inconvenienced by this but that's unfortunately the way the council rolls

3085
05:02:30,020 --> 05:02:34,340
these days so anyway those are my comments for the moment about that subject.

3086
05:02:34,340 --> 05:02:41,980
Thank you. Councilmember Miller, followed by Heather Hines.

3087
05:02:44,890 --> 05:02:49,950
Thank you, Madam Mayor. I've been by the site. I've looked at it. I've not walked

3088
05:02:49,950 --> 05:02:57,930
aside or met with the appellants or applicants regarding this project. I did have a brief conversation

3089
05:02:57,930 --> 05:03:08,690
with Mr. Petrovsky about pushing the item into a later on to a later date but that's been the

3090
05:03:08,690 --> 05:03:15,310
extent of my conversation with anybody affiliated with this project regarding the project. Thank you.

3091
05:03:18,040 --> 05:03:18,920
Heather, hi.

3092
05:03:19,960 --> 05:03:26,920
Madam Mayor, I just wanted to remind that about rebuttals for the appellant and the applicants once

3093
05:03:26,920 --> 05:03:34,980
you're done with, X partake communication. Thank you. And council member MacDonald follow my council member he'll

3094
05:03:36,520 --> 05:03:44,100
Thank you. I too have had that same one three-minute phone call with the applicant's attorney regarding scheduling

3095
05:03:44,760 --> 05:03:52,040
but I do walk by here every other day in four years and notice all the construction and it's no

3096
05:03:52,040 --> 05:03:55,160
I wonder if there's a sensitivity for instruction in the neighborhood.

3097
05:03:55,540 --> 05:04:01,840
There's been investment and that means traffic issues and noise issues.

3098
05:04:02,140 --> 05:04:04,120
And we can see why we get tiresome.

3099
05:04:04,360 --> 05:04:04,760
Thank you.

3100
05:04:06,100 --> 05:04:06,940
Okay, Mr. Healy.

3101
05:04:08,320 --> 05:04:12,060
Yeah, likewise, I've been by the site.

3102
05:04:12,500 --> 05:04:17,180
I went by to try to spot the story polls.

3103
05:04:17,520 --> 05:04:19,040
I've not been on the site.

3104
05:04:19,040 --> 05:04:26,900
I've not spoken with the applicant or the appellants, and I have had the same three-minute phone

3105
05:04:26,900 --> 05:04:34,520
conversation with our venture caske regarding scheduling. That's it. Okay, thank you. So now is the

3106
05:04:34,520 --> 05:04:44,060
time for the rebuttals or the final comments, so we will start with the appellants and then the applicant.

3107
05:04:46,520 --> 05:04:51,980
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Again, I'm Jason Beatty. I will start the appellance for

3108
05:04:51,980 --> 05:04:56,780
butthole. First, let us thank you, Madam Mayor, council member, city manager, and city

3109
05:04:56,780 --> 05:04:59,960
staff for your service to the community on these many layers.

3110
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:29,900
And thank you to the members of the community who took time out of their busy and stressful lives to be engaged and provide comment on this project. Yes, we have concerns with impacts as the immediate neighbors concerns of impacts for our own homes during construction impacts to privacy and enjoyment of our spaces and impacts to our lives while we're sheltering in our homes, working and schooling our children while a major construction project occurs next door. But what will impact us more if this project has passed as proposed?

3111
05:05:29,900 --> 05:05:42,900
Those will be the lost interest in faith we have in the city following its established processes and the fair and consistent, consistent application of established standards to protect the community's interest and resources.

3112
05:05:43,600 --> 05:05:49,420
We are disappointed in hearing that some council met with the applicants but not appellants.

3113
05:05:49,420 --> 05:05:53,920
We've outlined how the developer skipped required public outreach requirements.

3114
05:05:54,380 --> 05:06:00,280
How this left a gap in information for the HCPC and staff to consider when making the recommendations

3115
05:06:00,280 --> 05:06:06,680
and decisions. We've explained how a established preserved petaluma, which now has about 50 members,

3116
05:06:07,180 --> 05:06:11,500
to complete this public outreach and provide information that was included in the approved

3117
05:06:11,500 --> 05:06:16,280
historic spa application and the architectural drawings. This was not misinformation.

3118
05:06:16,280 --> 05:06:23,140
information, just information that the developer did not share with the community and the neighborhood prior to the first public hearing on the project.

3119
05:06:23,960 --> 05:06:32,280
Without lying how much of this commentary is from community members, well versus historic preservation, or who recognize the value of our historic districts.

3120
05:06:32,780 --> 05:06:44,760
We have invited Ms. Brunzel an experience and qualified architectural historian to review the project, and she provided a separate opinion of its non compliance to the standards to which this project should adhere.

3121
05:06:44,760 --> 05:06:58,880
less parry and experience attorneys specializing in land use provided you and the city's attorney a legal opinion that the category exemptions applied to avoid further seek review for this project are erroneous.

3122
05:06:59,380 --> 05:07:08,920
And that with conflicting professional opinion there is a requirement for the city the purveyors of the application of Sequa for this project to complete a more rigorous see per review.

3123
05:07:08,920 --> 05:07:13,740
What is the real harm in taking this extra step in putting the city's concerns first?

3124
05:07:14,380 --> 05:07:19,060
If it is truly not a significant impact to a short resource, the project can proceed.

3125
05:07:19,500 --> 05:07:24,020
Or if it is a significant impact as proposed, it can be reduced in scale or scope.

3126
05:07:24,620 --> 05:07:32,280
It is in the best interest of the petal and the community to take time for due diligence in this matter and soundly establish the correct path forward.

3127
05:07:33,020 --> 05:07:37,020
The developer will likely raise issue with fairness to the length of this process.

3128
05:07:37,020 --> 05:07:42,860
I contend that this has taken five months to get to this point in a large part due to the

3129
05:07:42,860 --> 05:07:47,200
developer's noncompliance with the required neighborhood outreach. For the developer,

3130
05:07:47,380 --> 05:07:52,360
this project has been in the works for two years, plenty of time for the proper neighborhood outreach

3131
05:07:52,360 --> 05:07:58,820
meeting to occur prior to COVID. Since COVID hit, the community has become well-versed in virtual meetings

3132
05:07:58,820 --> 05:08:04,380
and work around to share information. The other HCPC hearing on the same night held the required

3133
05:08:04,380 --> 05:08:12,440
neighborhood outreach meeting. This project appeal most likely would not be before you but compliance with the city resolution for public outreach been upheld.

3134
05:08:13,380 --> 05:08:22,880
We understand and acknowledge that there are far more pressing pressing issues in our community at this moment, many of which have delayed this hearing and coming before council.

3135
05:08:22,880 --> 05:08:27,980
But this matter demands Petaluma's attention today for this precedent that sets for tomorrow.

3136
05:08:28,560 --> 05:08:33,020
There's no doubt that approving the project as proposed will set a lower bar for

3137
05:08:33,020 --> 05:08:37,520
historic preservation and environmental review within Petaluma's historic districts.

3138
05:08:38,260 --> 05:08:41,340
The districts that are established to protect the resource for the community.

3139
05:08:41,740 --> 05:08:47,620
A district that includes 77 properties that are, quote, a distinctively representative

3140
05:08:47,620 --> 05:08:51,100
of slides that Petal Williams passed in a nearly untouched condition.

3141
05:08:51,900 --> 05:08:56,880
While the staff report, the media coverage and the developers proposed modifications continue

3142
05:08:56,880 --> 05:09:02,520
to frame this matter as a neighbor to neighbor dispute, we contend as we have all along that

3143
05:09:02,520 --> 05:09:04,300
its impacts reach far beyond them.

3144
05:09:04,640 --> 05:09:06,240
This is about historic preservation.

3145
05:09:07,020 --> 05:09:11,820
We ask you to look how this project aligns with the general plan, the long established standards

3146
05:09:11,820 --> 05:09:16,880
and intent of the A3 guidelines, and the Secretary of Interior's guidelines when considering

3147
05:09:16,880 --> 05:09:21,660
your decision. Tonight you decide on the significance of the historic preservation for petal

3148
05:09:21,660 --> 05:09:28,740
lima. I would like now to ask if Lesbari would like to clarify the sequel position.

3149
05:09:31,180 --> 05:09:33,920
Thank you, Jason. It's always a pleasure to discuss

3150
05:09:33,920 --> 05:09:40,860
sequel issues with Mr. Danley. We have some issues, some history, all friendly, of course.

3151
05:09:41,480 --> 05:09:46,680
But I do take issue with his explanation of how these exemptions and

3152
05:09:46,680 --> 05:09:48,420
and exceptions should be applied.

3153
05:09:49,080 --> 05:09:53,200
With regards to an exception, it's really a two-step process.

3154
05:09:53,480 --> 05:09:59,780
The first step of whether an exception applies the exemption, this is typical SQL talk.

3155
05:10:02,600 --> 05:10:26,500
The first step is whether the exception applies. Does that historical exception apply? On that issue, whether this is an historic resource, Mr. Dan Lee's analysis, I believe, is correct. And that is you have discretion to weigh the evidence and decide. However, here, it's not disputed. This is an historic resource. Everybody admits that.

3156
05:10:26,500 --> 05:10:33,960
the applicant's experts all conceived that this is an historic resource. Once that's established,

3157
05:10:34,520 --> 05:10:40,560
I submit the law is in fact clear that then the issue is whether there's any substantial evidence

3158
05:10:40,560 --> 05:10:46,560
from which you can be fairly argued that the project may have a significant impact on that resource.

3159
05:10:46,880 --> 05:10:53,960
It's the fair argument standard once you get to that second step and we submit there's obviously

3160
05:10:53,960 --> 05:11:02,240
There's an abundance of evidence that this project, as proposed, may cause a significant

3161
05:11:02,240 --> 05:11:09,900
impact to this historic resource. The authority that was alluded to in the presentation and

3162
05:11:09,900 --> 05:11:18,160
by the applicant's attorney is the Berkeley case, the City of Berkeley case, and that case was

3163
05:11:18,160 --> 05:11:26,940
really about the unusual circumstance exemption rather than a store, but it actually supports

3164
05:11:26,940 --> 05:11:33,040
the position I'm presenting. It says at the very end of that decision, and I quote,

3165
05:11:34,240 --> 05:11:39,760
that court continued, once the resource has been determined to be an historic resource,

3166
05:11:40,160 --> 05:11:47,880
then the fair argument standard applies to the question of whether the proposed

3167
05:11:47,880 --> 05:11:54,440
this project may cause a substantial adverse change in the significance of the historic resource

3168
05:11:54,440 --> 05:11:56,960
and thereby have a significant effect.

3169
05:11:57,400 --> 05:12:03,640
This discussion supports the conclusion that if the exemption applies is established

3170
05:12:03,640 --> 05:12:09,440
and agency should apply the fair argument standard in determining whether there is a reasonable

3171
05:12:09,440 --> 05:12:13,800
possibility that the circumstances will produce an adverse change.

3172
05:12:13,800 --> 05:12:17,840
So, it's complicated, it's subtle,

3173
05:12:18,140 --> 05:12:23,100
seek with stuff, but I submit that it is apparent

3174
05:12:23,360 --> 05:12:24,980
that on the issue in front of you,

3175
05:12:25,400 --> 05:12:28,300
whether this project is gonna have an adverse impact

3176
05:12:28,580 --> 05:12:31,280
on the resource based upon the guidelines,

3177
05:12:31,280 --> 05:12:32,900
based upon the secretary standards,

3178
05:12:34,180 --> 05:12:36,340
issues determined based upon a fair argument

3179
05:12:36,340 --> 05:12:39,220
and if there's any evidence, then the exception

3180
05:12:39,940 --> 05:12:42,440
applies and the exemption does not.

3181
05:12:43,080 --> 05:12:43,880
Thank you.

3182
05:12:47,440 --> 05:12:52,740
Is there anyone else from the aqua team that's going to use your last few minutes?

3183
05:12:54,620 --> 05:12:55,840
No, okay.

3184
05:12:56,580 --> 05:12:59,000
So then we will move to the applicant.

3185
05:13:11,630 --> 05:13:16,010
No one likes construction next door to their house and we get that.

3186
05:13:17,830 --> 05:13:23,570
There should be some comfort taken in the fact that there's an excellent team.

3187
05:13:23,570 --> 05:13:34,130
of consultants and construction people involved with this project that have a proven track record for doing excellent projects.

3188
05:13:36,090 --> 05:13:48,110
I'm still stunned by how this 585 square foot addition is blown out into some mansion or big dig project.

3189
05:13:48,110 --> 05:13:56,710
there were comments about it being a two-story addition, which it's not. There were comments

3190
05:13:56,710 --> 05:14:11,050
about us being a developer. We're not a developer. At every step we've been demonized and I think

3191
05:14:11,050 --> 05:14:13,310
It has just been a lot of misrepresentation.

3192
05:14:15,050 --> 05:14:21,310
It was mentioned, the council members that went by and looked at the project, I'm glad

3193
05:14:21,310 --> 05:14:29,350
you did, but I want to say, and the appellants are saying that there wasn't enough outreach

3194
05:14:29,790 --> 05:14:37,670
in all this time since the ACPC meeting, not one person, no, I think that about one person

3195
05:14:37,670 --> 05:14:51,490
from the public has contacted me to ask questions aside from the council members. Nobody has reached out to me to ask me anything about this project and I'd be happy to meet with them or talk with them on the phone.

3196
05:14:55,270 --> 05:14:59,950
And I'm curious and asking and talking to the...

3197
05:15:01,400 --> 05:15:20,960
Ms. Brunzel has never met them, or they have never met her, and I have to wonder how much detailed information about the historic integrity of the back of the house that you get if she's never been in the backyard. And if she has, how did she manage to do that without the horses knowing that.

3198
05:15:24,420 --> 05:15:31,920
And there seems to be some magic way that you can do an addition to a house, a historic

3199
05:15:31,920 --> 05:15:38,920
house without touching the house or removing any of the historic fabric of the house.

3200
05:15:39,460 --> 05:15:41,020
We know that's not possible.

3201
05:15:41,740 --> 05:15:44,640
When you do an addition, it's going to be seen.

3202
05:15:44,640 --> 05:15:49,840
and so you do it with all the sensitivity that you can.

3203
05:15:50,780 --> 05:15:53,020
I have experience with historic districts,

3204
05:15:53,380 --> 05:15:54,860
with additions and remodels.

3205
05:15:56,340 --> 05:15:57,940
I think they've turned out well,

3206
05:15:59,460 --> 05:16:02,800
and the contractor has excellent experience

3207
05:16:02,800 --> 05:16:04,620
doing work in the historic districts.

3208
05:16:05,440 --> 05:16:08,860
So this is not a massive project.

3209
05:16:09,720 --> 05:16:14,560
It's an addition on one story with some debts.

3210
05:16:14,640 --> 05:16:25,940
and the big issue, but the dirt is all underneath the house, and they're from the geotech reports

3211
05:16:25,940 --> 05:16:32,440
and hydraulic reports. There's no indication that it's going to cause any damage to any

3212
05:16:32,440 --> 05:16:38,300
of the surrounding properties. The contractor is bonded and has insurance, the houses have insurance,

3213
05:16:40,300 --> 05:16:47,080
And should there be any damage caused during construction, it would be taken care of.

3214
05:16:48,680 --> 05:16:51,920
But I'd like to think that reasonable minds will prevail.

3215
05:16:52,400 --> 05:16:56,640
And as petal humans, we can go back to being neighbors.

3216
05:16:59,360 --> 05:17:05,020
I don't know if there's anyone else from the team that would want to speak at this point, but I'm complete.

3217
05:17:06,240 --> 05:17:12,240
perhaps Mrs. Haas would like to finish her comment that she got cut off. She has one minute left.

3218
05:17:15,180 --> 05:17:16,280
You're on mute.

3219
05:17:22,040 --> 05:17:29,480
I'm going to make it quick. I was just going to say that our mothers lived into the 90s. Reason why we wanted to live here.

3220
05:17:30,020 --> 05:17:36,380
We saw them how isolating isolating it was for them when they quit driving.

3221
05:17:36,380 --> 05:17:51,820
So we looked and found a house that was within walking distance of much of what this city offers and that we could achieve a floor plan where everyday activities basically could be on one level.

3222
05:17:52,280 --> 05:17:58,060
We have outlined in our December 14th letter what and how we want to accomplish that.

3223
05:17:58,920 --> 05:18:01,860
And, you know, I just got to say, I love this city.

3224
05:18:02,740 --> 05:18:07,380
I mean, I was born in Nevada and I love Petaluma.

3225
05:18:07,720 --> 05:18:10,080
My dad worked here when I was a kid.

3226
05:18:14,260 --> 05:18:16,840
Yeah, he said that this was the place to live.

3227
05:18:17,600 --> 05:18:21,160
Back in the 70s, he sold real estate as a retirement job.

3228
05:18:21,700 --> 05:18:22,740
And he said this was the.

3229
05:18:23,200 --> 05:18:24,700
Sorry to have to do this again, Mrs.

3230
05:18:24,700 --> 05:18:27,540
It's possible, but that is five minutes.

3231
05:18:28,920 --> 05:18:32,400
Okay, sorry about that, but I think we got your point.

3232
05:18:32,920 --> 05:18:39,140
So with that, I'm going to bring it back to the council for discussion and action.

3233
05:18:43,510 --> 05:18:46,790
Seeing council vice mayor Fisher is raised your hand.

3234
05:18:47,370 --> 05:18:51,330
Yeah, I have a question for the for the appellans.

3235
05:18:52,070 --> 05:18:53,990
Well, it is after midnight. Sorry.

3236
05:18:55,490 --> 05:18:59,550
What do you hope to learn by requesting more

3237
05:18:59,550 --> 05:19:00,430
SQL analysis?

3238
05:19:00,870 --> 05:19:03,710
Because when I look at all the studies have been

3239
05:19:03,710 --> 05:19:06,450
done and everything I've read about the

3240
05:19:06,850 --> 05:19:09,150
hydrology report and the geotechnical report,

3241
05:19:09,150 --> 05:19:10,210
which I mean,

3242
05:19:10,210 --> 05:19:12,810
I don't really fathom it or understand,

3243
05:19:13,050 --> 05:19:16,730
but I'm wondering what more information

3244
05:19:16,730 --> 05:19:18,790
would you be given

3245
05:19:18,790 --> 05:19:25,410
and that would help create a fuller picture for you

3246
05:19:25,410 --> 05:19:27,250
in terms of environmental analysis

3247
05:19:28,690 --> 05:19:30,110
that hasn't already been done.

3248
05:19:30,650 --> 05:19:32,150
Could I just make the point briefly

3249
05:19:32,150 --> 05:19:34,670
that the hydrology report is expired

3250
05:19:35,150 --> 05:19:38,810
and it was done on the ADU for the ADU project,

3251
05:19:38,810 --> 05:19:42,050
not on the construction project in this house.

3252
05:19:42,970 --> 05:19:45,110
So I just wanna, everyone keeps referring to that.

3253
05:19:45,490 --> 05:19:47,270
The report does say that it's risky,

3254
05:19:47,270 --> 05:19:51,430
the contractor said it's risky and the hydrology report says that small

3255
05:19:51,430 --> 05:19:56,830
sands will be pulled out from underneath our houses by the pumps. So to say

3256
05:19:56,830 --> 05:19:59,890
that it's not risky, everybody says it is risky.

3257
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:03,020
And that is a misinterpretation of the hydrology report.

3258
05:20:06,420 --> 05:20:32,340
Councilmember Fisher, I think what we've been trying to point out is that we feel that this project is a significant adverse impact to the historic resource that these changes, especially the rear dormer being removed in this upper level deck. I think that is, I can ask, um, carrot to speak again, but that being removed is a significant adverse impact.

3259
05:20:32,340 --> 05:20:36,420
to the resource as well as the other items there.

3260
05:20:36,720 --> 05:20:39,620
So with that, you would have to reduce scale

3261
05:20:39,620 --> 05:20:43,320
in order to make it not a significant adverse impact.

3262
05:20:45,900 --> 05:20:46,400
Thank you.

3263
05:20:47,960 --> 05:20:48,860
Thank you.

3264
05:20:51,160 --> 05:20:52,620
Okay, Mr. Healy.

3265
05:20:56,040 --> 05:20:56,660
Thank you.

3266
05:20:57,020 --> 05:21:00,820
So I just want to preface this by saying that I'm actually

3267
05:21:00,820 --> 05:21:03,860
someone who came out of the historic preservation community

3268
05:21:03,860 --> 05:21:10,320
in Pateloma. In the early 90s, I was a vice president of Heritage Alms for a period of time.

3269
05:21:10,920 --> 05:21:17,200
And in the late 80s, I was one of four neighbors who spearheaded the petition drive to get what's

3270
05:21:17,200 --> 05:21:26,320
now the Brewster Oak Hill historic district adopted by the city. So I'm very supportive of historic

3271
05:21:26,320 --> 05:21:32,340
preservation in our community. At the same time, I actually agree with the analysis in the staff

3272
05:21:32,340 --> 05:21:42,240
report. I think the way the historic districts were promoted among the homeowners and we got

3273
05:21:42,240 --> 05:21:47,420
the homeowners to agree to put the the ask the city council at the time to put that in place

3274
05:21:48,140 --> 05:21:55,580
was that it was really limited to exterior changes especially facing the street or visible from

3275
05:21:55,580 --> 05:22:07,980
this free. And I think this proposal is doing its very best to honor that. And so I do share the points, I do support the staff recommendation.

3276
05:22:08,900 --> 05:22:21,560
And then on the sequel point, you know, the city attorney talked about the mccorkl case, which we are all unfortunately more familiar with than we want to be my least favorite published decision ever.

3277
05:22:22,320 --> 05:22:40,980
And so the the the sequel question is not the normal one. It's would would sequel in form any issue over which the city council has discretion to change something and Eric you can probably articulate that better than I can, but I just don't see it here.

3278
05:22:41,300 --> 05:22:44,460
So that would be my those would be my comments at this point.

3279
05:22:46,550 --> 05:22:47,210
Thank you.

3280
05:22:47,210 --> 05:22:55,170
council member King. Thank you Madam Mayor and since we are examining the

3281
05:22:55,170 --> 05:22:59,810
field I just I want to thank the staff for its very detailed report I reviewed

3282
05:22:59,810 --> 05:23:08,690
it several times and the 29 attachments as well which contained a lot of

3283
05:23:08,690 --> 05:23:16,050
interesting information. I'm not saying that my usual wise guy kind of way I

3284
05:23:16,050 --> 05:23:29,270
I did read it into order to try to get informed about this with a number of these issues we have doing experts both on the law and the nature of the historical preservation districts in this particular project.

3285
05:23:30,050 --> 05:23:34,630
But in looking at the entirety of what's been presented to us, including what we heard tonight.

3286
05:23:35,970 --> 05:23:38,210
These are my my conclusions.

3287
05:23:38,210 --> 05:23:45,630
conditions. I will be voting to deny the appeal. I agree with the staff recommendations

3288
05:23:45,630 --> 05:23:53,910
and in particular special conditions. With the exception of 28 and 29, which would

3289
05:23:53,910 --> 05:24:01,650
need to be modified, 28 is the planning of trees. My understanding is that that would

3290
05:24:01,650 --> 05:24:08,650
be acceptable if it was on the baby property at the Haas expense, I would go along with that and

3291
05:24:08,650 --> 05:24:16,370
that would make number 29 moot, which is the deed the trees care as part of the deed restriction.

3292
05:24:19,110 --> 05:24:27,170
We have the committee, the historical and cultural preservation committee

3293
05:24:27,170 --> 05:24:32,290
It was 5-0 at the time adjusted to 4-1 in the aftermath.

3294
05:24:33,130 --> 05:24:40,630
I know that they take these matters quite seriously and are well versed.

3295
05:24:40,930 --> 05:24:44,230
So I do rely a bit on that. I know this is a denouable appeal.

3296
05:24:46,710 --> 05:24:53,490
The underlying construction will need to meet our city standards throughout, including the excavation.

3297
05:24:54,450 --> 05:24:59,870
There's been some concern about insurance and liability as their family has pointed out.

3298
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:20,720
And I think it's pretty, pretty common. If there are problems of that nature, the houses potentially could be liable. And that can be dealt with in the court system. So I would not add on anything along those lines. Getting to sequel.

3299
05:25:25,000 --> 05:25:29,980
I'm going to, I'm going to go with the direction of our city attorney.

3300
05:25:29,980 --> 05:25:36,320
on this and I appreciate the the experts from Mr. Perry and the letter from

3301
05:25:36,320 --> 05:25:44,020
Sharp's is that freeze law firm in the city and I concur with council member

3302
05:25:44,020 --> 05:25:51,040
Healy about the corkall case not being a particular favorite of ours but I do

3303
05:25:51,040 --> 05:25:56,220
not believe that an environmental impact report is required for this individual

3304
05:25:56,220 --> 05:25:56,560
house.

3305
05:26:00,210 --> 05:26:06,370
I believe the remainder of the items are pretty well addressed by that, because that's

3306
05:26:06,370 --> 05:26:13,410
mine. That's where I'll be voting. Thank you. Councilmember Kerney followed by Councilmember McDonald.

3307
05:26:15,050 --> 05:26:20,950
Was that at all a motion at all coming out of Councilmember Kerney? No, that wasn't. We're still in

3308
05:26:20,950 --> 05:26:28,650
discussion. Okay, so I would echo his comments. I looking at the argument being made about the

3309
05:26:28,650 --> 05:26:37,730
exterior, the rear of the house. I just I don't see I don't see the argument holding up as far as

3310
05:26:37,730 --> 05:26:46,870
the talent goes. What's been a little disturbing in this conversation is the houses are two folks are

3311
05:26:46,870 --> 05:26:51,810
are dealing with just this one house, but they keep being referred to as the developer,

3312
05:26:52,050 --> 05:26:57,610
the developer developer, and it almost is an attempt to dehumanize the fact that these are

3313
05:26:58,230 --> 05:27:04,670
people are just trying to make this house work for them while at the same time preserving

3314
05:27:05,290 --> 05:27:12,590
the historical nature of the house. And so it's alarming for me and it doesn't sit well for me that

3315
05:27:13,490 --> 05:27:19,890
the way that's been handled, but I don't think that the arguments have made the threshold

3316
05:27:19,890 --> 05:27:25,870
for me to overturn the ruling of the HCPC at this time.

3317
05:27:27,900 --> 05:27:28,440
Thank you.

3318
05:27:29,360 --> 05:27:30,640
Councilmember MacDonald.

3319
05:27:32,280 --> 05:27:33,120
Thank you.

3320
05:27:35,680 --> 05:27:40,060
I do have an empathy for the magnitude of that underground construction and what it would

3321
05:27:40,060 --> 05:27:46,360
I mean, for trucks and things, but I don't see it falling under where we're headed here,

3322
05:27:46,780 --> 05:27:52,140
and certainly it has been a long period with opportunity for modification between the parties,

3323
05:27:52,920 --> 05:27:58,440
and there's been discussions and changes on the project, which is always what we like

3324
05:27:58,440 --> 05:28:02,720
to see in a difficult project as it goes forward.

3325
05:28:04,940 --> 05:28:21,900
And it's nice. I think I'll concur with the lawyers on the council here on the CEQA issues and I do appreciate the survey condition in there than the condition of approval.

3326
05:28:22,420 --> 05:28:29,360
And then just to comment on the historical, I think it was a four-row vote that went to three-one.

3327
05:28:29,360 --> 05:28:35,820
But yeah, I think they got it right on this one. Thank you.

3328
05:28:36,240 --> 05:28:37,220
Thank you.

3329
05:28:37,840 --> 05:28:38,680
Vice Mayor Fisher.

3330
05:28:40,200 --> 05:28:45,220
So I want to say that somebody else said earlier that I think it was the architect.

3331
05:28:45,480 --> 05:28:50,280
The Wilbur who said that the initial outreach to the community could have been better.

3332
05:28:50,560 --> 05:28:55,020
And I think that's probably where things broke down pretty significantly.

3333
05:28:55,020 --> 05:28:58,720
And I agree, you know, we are in the middle of a pandemic.

3334
05:28:58,960 --> 05:29:03,240
We are all every day trying to figure out how to navigate this environment.

3335
05:29:03,720 --> 05:29:14,580
And, you know, I don't think it was intentional, but I do think when you look at the record that the negativity just sort of skyrocketed from there.

3336
05:29:14,900 --> 05:29:24,760
And I really appreciate the applicant and their willingness to listen to the community and their concerns initially and get rid of the sun room and make other concessions.

3337
05:29:24,760 --> 05:29:30,880
modifications and I think the architect did a great job of showing it on the plans that was

3338
05:29:30,880 --> 05:29:36,860
really easy for me to understand what the House looked like in 2018, with the with the other

3339
05:29:36,860 --> 05:29:47,900
body approved, and then what we're looking at now. And so I in fact will be voting as the others are

3340
05:29:47,900 --> 05:29:58,700
and with the addition of condition number 22, as we mentioned, just wanting us not to forget to

3341
05:29:58,700 --> 05:29:59,960
I admit the floor plan I got.

3342
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:20,720
I do think that's a good idea, and I think for privacy reasons, although I learned a lot about the floor plans already and what they look like. So, I feel like I know the house. And I think with that, I'll leave it to the next person. Thank you. Councilmember Miller, did you have anything you wanted to weigh in on with this one?

3343
05:30:23,890 --> 05:30:31,330
No, I agree with what's been said by the previous council members and I will support staff report on this.

3344
05:30:31,330 --> 05:30:45,750
Thank you. I appreciate that. So I will just weigh in and that I really think what Vice Mayor Fisher said really is the crux of the problem with this project.

3345
05:30:45,750 --> 05:30:54,530
I have been a long time advocate of getting community meetings together when you're doing

3346
05:30:54,530 --> 05:30:59,610
a development or when you're doing a remodel, whatever, because you really solve a lot

3347
05:30:59,610 --> 05:31:01,510
of the problems early on.

3348
05:31:02,210 --> 05:31:11,930
And whatever the reason for that not happening, I think it created this massive rebound effect

3349
05:31:11,930 --> 05:31:19,430
that is I believe out of proportion with what is being asked here.

3350
05:31:20,730 --> 05:31:25,330
You know, I do understand the directly related neighbors have concerned.

3351
05:31:26,150 --> 05:31:33,290
But there's been a larger than life response to this that does not seem warranted.

3352
05:31:33,290 --> 05:31:41,650
And I am a survivor of a very, very bitter infill project

3353
05:31:41,650 --> 05:31:45,590
from my time on the planning commission on D Street

3354
05:31:46,290 --> 05:31:52,730
between two neighbors who I believe both moved away from their houses

3355
05:31:52,730 --> 05:31:54,450
within a year of the decision.

3356
05:31:55,210 --> 05:31:57,430
So, you know, that was really a loose, loose.

3357
05:31:58,090 --> 05:32:02,350
And I would really, really like to see this be a win-win.

3358
05:32:02,350 --> 05:32:10,930
And I think that that's going to take effort on the part of everybody involved in this appeal and in the application.

3359
05:32:11,610 --> 05:32:24,610
And it really is up to you because I do think that they, I believe there were tremendous amount of city resources that were put into this that could have been much better used.

3360
05:32:24,610 --> 05:32:35,550
and we are here moving into 1230 at night to be discussing something that probably could have been taken care of early on.

3361
05:32:36,310 --> 05:32:38,990
So I hope this is a lesson learned if nothing else.

3362
05:32:39,810 --> 05:32:48,090
And with that I will entertain a motion and I would like to ask one of our departing council members if they would like to do that.

3363
05:32:48,190 --> 05:32:50,890
And I saw councilmember Kerney raised his hand.

3364
05:32:50,890 --> 05:32:57,070
Madam Mayor, I will move to support the staff report denying the appeal.

3365
05:32:58,090 --> 05:32:58,550
Does it mean?

3366
05:32:59,230 --> 05:33:09,750
And do you want to make the change that was referred to about in a condition of approval 22 that omits the interior plans?

3367
05:33:10,690 --> 05:33:14,190
Yeah, then was I'm sorry. Was there another recommendation on 28?

3368
05:33:15,550 --> 05:33:15,950
Yes.

3369
05:33:15,950 --> 05:33:22,130
Yes, and 29 and 29 so we incorporated the changes to 22 28 29 as well.

3370
05:33:22,610 --> 05:33:23,850
Thank you.

3371
05:33:23,970 --> 05:33:25,850
And then I'll second Madam Mayor.

3372
05:33:26,270 --> 05:33:26,750
Thank you.

3373
05:33:26,950 --> 05:33:36,050
Okay, so we have a motion by Kerney and a second by Miller and we will councilmember Kerney.

3374
05:33:36,210 --> 05:33:39,050
Are you I mean, no, a healy? Are you raising your hand?

3375
05:33:39,970 --> 05:33:52,610
Yeah, please. I heard it is 28 and 29. In my reading, it looks like it's more 27 and 28, but I'm a little confused on.

3376
05:33:53,790 --> 05:33:59,250
Really? Yeah, I have trouble finding the raised hand button myself.

3377
05:33:59,250 --> 05:34:06,330
I did go back and confirm it's 28 and 29 in the resolution and misprint is in the staff report.

3378
05:34:06,850 --> 05:34:09,150
Okay, it's 24 to 27. Yeah.

3379
05:34:10,050 --> 05:34:13,030
Good. Well, at least we cleared that up so that's good.

3380
05:34:13,770 --> 05:34:19,090
Okay, so we have a motion and we have a second and we will have a roll call vote.

3381
05:34:22,390 --> 05:34:23,550
Yes, sir.

3382
05:34:23,870 --> 05:34:26,450
Yes, is to uphold the staff report.

3383
05:34:27,810 --> 05:34:29,430
Yes, tonight they have people.

3384
05:34:30,410 --> 05:34:31,570
So, please, when you have a guest.

3385
05:34:32,810 --> 05:34:33,390
Okay.

3386
05:34:35,870 --> 05:34:36,450
Yes,

3387
05:34:38,490 --> 05:34:39,070
Yes.

3388
05:34:40,910 --> 05:34:41,490
Yes.

3389
05:34:43,210 --> 05:34:43,790
Yes.

3390
05:34:44,170 --> 05:34:45,210
Did you all.

3391
05:34:45,610 --> 05:34:46,190
Yes.

3392
05:34:47,410 --> 05:34:59,670
Yes, yes, thank you, thank you everyone again and with that I'm going to adjourn the meeting in memory.

3393
05:35:04,420 --> 05:35:09,000
Good evening, and happy holidays for everybody, and we'll see you in 2021.

3394
05:35:09,900 --> 05:35:10,960
Good night, all. Happy holidays.