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Recording in progress. Okay, , uh, good evening. Welcome

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to the regularly meeting of the petaluma city council and the petaluma community development

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successor agency for monday, july 6th, 2026.

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may we have our roll call, please,

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al. Present. Kate thompson. Here to

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carly. Here. Now. Here. Quint,

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absent rebs. Here, mcdonald here.

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and we do have a quorum. Perfect. Um, tonight we have a

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close session, uh, a conference with labor negotiators, and I'd

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like to invite our assistant city attorney, dylan brady,

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to announce the closed session. Sure.

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pursuant to government code section 5 4 9 5 7 0.6,

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the city representatives will be peggy flynn, city manager. Brian cochrane,

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assistant city manager. Linda lee, deputy city manager in charles

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saka from sloan saka are outside counsel. The employee organization

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is iaff unit seven and unit eight compensation plan. Thank

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you. Thank you very much. Um, let's, um, look into public

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comment on the item tonight. And, um, as always,

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we have public comment available for the closed session.

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and, um, I'd like to ask our clerk if we've received any prior.

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we have not received any comments ahead of the meeting. Um, we do have

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two people on the zoom call, and so I'll read out the instructions.

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members of the public attending in person should bring their speaker cards to the clerk's

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desk. Members of the public attending online should raise their virtual hand,

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and those attending via phone should press darn nine to raise their hand.

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we will hear in-person comments first. The mayor will call speakers to the podium, and

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once those have concluded, I'll call upon remote speakers to unmute themselves.

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we do not have any in-person speaker cards, and I don't see any raised

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hands. Okay. Thank you. Um, with, with, uh, no

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speakers and no one moving here and no hands up, we will close public comment

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on the closed session and we will now adjourn to

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closed session. We will return to tonight's meeting at 6:00 pm or

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the conclusion of closed session, whichever comes later. Thank you,

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mr. Mayor, are we ready to begin? We are ready to begin. Okay. And we are recording.

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we're already recording. That's fabulous. Uh, good evening

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and welcome to the regular meeting of the petaluma city council and the petaluma community development

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successor agency for monday, july 6th, 2026.

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um, as you know, uh, or may know tonight's meeting marks the return

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of remote public comments, we'll, once again, be accepting both

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in person and via zoom. This is in compliance with

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sb uh, 7 0 7, which was an update to the brown act, california

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open meeting law. And we're pleased to welcome the opportunity for even broader community

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participation and make our meetings more accessible to people who can't

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always join us in person. And we look forward to hearing from a wider range of voices

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and to the increased engagement this will bring. Because this is a new

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process. We ask for your patience as staff gets used to the technology

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and works on refining things. And we know there's interest in rolling out

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remote, uh, comments to our committees and commissions.

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and we, uh, we'd like to wait until we've sorted all the bugs out of the council

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meeting, trying to do this at the same, same time.

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so as for our regular procedures, if you wish to provide a comment

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tonight, tonight's agenda, um, and you're joining us in person,

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uh, please fill out a speaker card, they're located in the hallway, and bring it to our clerk

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who is right up here in front, as per our new

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procedures. For those of you participating via zoom, please raise your hand

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virtually when the item is called. And, uh, those

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participating over the phone in zoom can raise their hand by pressing star

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nine. The city clerk will provide these instructions during each

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public comment period. And, uh, please do not raise your hand

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right now. Uh, please wait till the item for when

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we're doing comment occurs. And, um,

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so, um, also please note we do our meetings in, um,

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concurrent translation services and, um, in spanish in a

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variety of other languages. And so to access translations online,

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please use the link provided in the agenda and to, uh,

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access the translation in the room, please scan the qr code that's on the wall

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in the back, uh, to gain access. So

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with that, may we have our roll call for the evening, please? Yes. Barnacle

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present. Cater thompson here to carly here.

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now here. Quint, absent trips here,

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mcdonald here. We do have a quorum. Thanks, chuck. Thank you.

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um, let's all rise for a pledge of allegiance,

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which is two flag of the united states of america, and two

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republic for which it stands, one nation under god, indivisible,

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with liberty and justice for all.

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just prior to this meeting. Um,

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well, let me, let me go back to, um, let's also have a moment of silence here.

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thank you. To start our meeting, I look up and down the, uh, dais

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and, um, and see if any of the council members wish to change the

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order of any of the business this evening. And, um,

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I, uh, I note that our workshop is really the largest time consuming,

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um, on, on the corona station area area. Um, and I suggest

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that we bring our other shorter items forward. And I'd like, uh, someone

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to initiate that. I'll make that motion. I'll second.

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thank you very much. And, um, then,

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um, let's see. And we, and for, for, uh, second clarity, let's have a roll call vote

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on, on that. Thank you. Barnacle.

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aye. Aye. Cater thompson? Yes. Di carly? Yes.

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now? Yes. Shrives. Yes. Mcdonald?

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yes. Motion carries unanimously. Thank you. So we'll notice that in

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the agenda there's a little switch going on there. And, um, we

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prior, just prior to this, we had a closed session. And I'd like to invite our city

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attorney to, uh, assistant city attorney to announce any reporter, at least

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the topic of the conversation. Sure. Nothing to report tonight. Yep.

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okay. Thank you very much. And, um,

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one of the, um, fun things we do here, um, my council meetings

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is we, uh, pay certain respects, uh, and, and, uh,

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and honors. And this month the proclamation that we have is

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for our park and recreation month. And it

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reads national park and recreation month, um,

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for july, 2026. And I'd like to invite

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our park and recreation staff to come forward while we, uh, do this,

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the right day

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support. Okay. Whereas the

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city of petaluma recognizes that parks, trails, recreational facilities, playgrounds,

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open spaces and community programs are essential to the health, wellbeing,

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and vitality of our community, providing equitable opportunities

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for people of all ages, abilities, backgrounds to connect, play, learn, and

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thrive. And whereas since 1985, the national recreation and parks

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association has celebrated july as national parks and recreation

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month, recognizing the dedicated professionals, volunteers, and community

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partners who enriched lives through parks and recreation. And

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whereas the city of petaluma parks and recreation department serves

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as a cornerstone of community life by creating welcoming spaces and

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meaningful experiences that strengthen connections, inspire active

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and healthy lifestyles, celebrate diversity and foster a deep sense of belonging

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for all those who call petaluma home. And whereas exceptional

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stewardship of parks, recreational facilities, natural areas, and public

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gathering spaces, the department protects and enhances the city's environmental

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resources while preserving these treasured places for future generations

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supporting biodiversity, climate resilience, and the health of our local

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ecosystem. And whereas petaluma parks and recreation brings

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people together through innovative programs, camps, aquatics, sports

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arts, cultural celebrations, volunteer opportunities, and community events

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that encourage lifelong learning, wellness and civic engagement

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and social connection. And whereas the city of petaluma

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proudly recognizes the outstanding dedication and creativity and service of

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its parks and recreation staff, commissioners, volunteers, and community

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partners and program participants whose collective efforts make petaluma's

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parks and recreation system a source of pride in one of the community's greatest

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assets. Now, therefore be it resolved that I, kevin mcdonald, mayor

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of the city of petaluma, together with all the members of the petaluma city council, do

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hereby proclaim july, 2026 as national park and

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recreation month in the city of petaluma and encourage all residents to celebrate

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by, in joining our parks, uh, participating in our recreation programs,

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connecting with neighbors, and recognizing the vital role that park and recreation

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play in creating healthy, inclusive, and thriving community.

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thank you.

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thank you. Uh, mayor, council members, vice mayor, city

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manager and community. I feel incredibly fortunate. Um,

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again, my name's drew halter. I'm the director of parks and recreation, and I'm fortunate to

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accept tonight's proclamation on behalf of this incredible team.

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uh, each july we are joined by, uh, hundreds of other agencies

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taking a moment to celebrate all things, parks and recreation, um, which

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recognizes the more than 160,000 full-time, uh,

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employees and recreation professionals. And over a couple of hundred

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thousand more seasonal part-time, uh, employees, uh, that,

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that call this industry their own. Um, you know, these are folks that

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all show up to maintain our parks, keep our recreation centers open, steward

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our history and traditions, uh, and, and offer places to create community.

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so this year's national, um, parks and recreation theme is, is the

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power of, and we get to fill in the blank, you know,

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and, and that really is special for us because it really does showcase,

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um, all the unique ways that parks and recreation creates

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impact at the local level. Um, you know, for example, the power of

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play. You know, the power of community, the power of belonging, of connection,

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of nature, of wellbeing. You know, what has always been fascinating to

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me about parks and recreation as a core service is just how

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multifaceted, uh, our days can be and how broad

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range of activities, parks is in spaces we get to support from one moment

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to the next. I am biased, um, being

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in petaluma, but I feel petaluma takes this challenge to the next level.

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you know, not many parks and recreation agencies can start their day, you know,

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checking in preda laps, swimmers, and then finish their evening,

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you know, tucking in livestock at the fair. Um, so

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while today is certainly a celebration of parks, you know, it's just as much a celebration,

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you of the incredible, passionate, hardworking professionals like

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those that are beside me tonight, uh, that show up each and every day to make

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their community a better place to live and play in. And I want to call

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it particularly, um, tomorrow marks the 40

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year anniversary of two city of petaluma employees, jim

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castle, our parks maintenance supervisor, and ron roski, our parks

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lead supervisor who started on the day together 40 years ago to

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tomorrow. Uh, all serving petaluma uniquely in their park

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system. So this year, definitely a, a special call out to jim, uh, and

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ron who couldn't be here tonight. 'cause they're, they're putting, um, you know, cream on their knees

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or something, . But, but, but you know, that just goes to show just

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kind of the dedication and passion that we have uniquely in petaluma couldn't be prouder of them.

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so thank you for the team and thank you for everyone. Yeah.

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and, uh, as they return to their seats, uh, I think council just wants to give a shout out for

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all the work going on right now in parks, um, having successfully,

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uh, pulled off another fare for petaluma. That's a big deal. And,

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um, also having run the fourth, the, uh, uh, fireworks for

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the fourth. These are big over and above kinds of items that the park and rec

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department pulls off. So thank you very much.

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now we move to general public comment and, um, per

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our regular procedure during general public comment, the public is invited

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to make comments on items of public interest that are within the city

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council subject matter jurisdiction, and not listed on the current agenda.

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public comments are limited up to three minutes per person, and depending on

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the number of persons wishing to address the council time will be allocated in equal

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shares totaling no more than 20 minutes per our new

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procedures. And as a reminder, we will be, um, accepting public

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comments in person as well as via zoom, uh, as per

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sb 7 0 7 in person and remote commenters will be granted

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equal time. So if I have more than 20 people wishing to speak,

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the first 10 in person and the first 10 remote speakers with

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raised hands will be accommodated. Zoom tracks the order of

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the hands that get raised, and we, we will be working from that

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zoom generated list in order for zoom

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10 or not. The names of all 10 speakers will be

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announced. Um, before we start, additional comments will

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be heard after the last business item of the agenda. And if there are

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less than 10 of each in-person and online, we will fill

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from the other pool to get up to our, our 20 speakers for the evening.

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we will hear in-person comments first, and I will call the speakers to the

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podium. And once those have concluded, the city clerk will call upon

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remote speakers to unmute themselves and make their comments.

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so, um, let's go over to the city clerk to,

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uh, help us out with this next piece. Yes. Uh, we

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did receive 23 public comments ahead of the meeting, and those are posted on

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line. And I also wanted to let the group know that there are

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nine zoom attendees. Uh, so at this time, I

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will start a 32nd clock for general public comment. And during these

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30 seconds, members of the public attending in person should bring their speaker cards to my desk.

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members of the public attending online should raise their virtual hand,

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and those attending via phone should press star nine to raise their hand.

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speaker request received after this 32nd clock may not be

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so the clerk has advised me that there are, uh, two speaker hands up and

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I believe she has handed me 18 cards. And, um, my

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question back was, is that all the cards or you, you have some cards remaining.

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we have 29 total cards. So I have the rest of the stack, and this will be okay.

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so if I read your name, you'll be in the period right now.

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and if you don't hear a name, that means that when we open public comment at the end

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of the meeting, that will be your name will be called at that point. So

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the, uh, speakers and the order, um, for tonight's

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in person will be, uh, calvin antes, uh,

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joanna arango, renee salvato,

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gloria mcallister, eric vasquez, kat

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nrao kirk lot, uh, nazar ahmad,

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antonio jimenez, uh, alana feldman,

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eric leland, dennis pokay, jennifer boyle,

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tina yonkers, mark kimberly, susan

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hussey, kaitlyn quinn, and hayes, uh,

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swan hasser. So those are our in-house. And

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with 20, we'll be setting the clock at 20 minutes to one

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minute per person for um, cards. And,

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um, two points. One, one minute goes fast. Um,

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you know, you'll be shocked how fast it goes, so please try and get right to your point

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so we can hear you. And then second point is

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if you have, um, more that you wish to add, you can email it in

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and it gets to become part of the record that way. So, um, our first

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speaker, as I noted, was, uh, kavia walta to

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hello.

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hello, uh, my name is calvin. I'm a petaluma resident here with a coalition

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of other petaluma residents. There's a few of us, as you can see.

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um, I'm asking you to pass an ordinance for no cooperation with ice immigrations

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and customs enforcement preventing the use of any city resources for ice

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unless ordered otherwise by a judicial warrant. Uh, a binding ordinance

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is the moral, legal and logical next step from the 2025 resolution that this

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council passed, it would build trust between our immigrant

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neighbors and the public services intended to serve them. Such an ordinance

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is constitutionally protected by the 10th amendment, and similar ordinances have been

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well practiced in many other cities around the country. Let's stand up for our

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immigrant neighbors and join the other brave jurisdictions around the country who have already taken this

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step. I believe other members of my team have already provided each of you with a draft

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of this ordinance, and now I hope you will listen to other members of the community

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who have similar sentiments. Thank you. Thank you.

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so, good evening. Um, on a decorum basis, we will say,

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start, you'll see the clock. Sorry. We're gonna ask no applause to the end, or no

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cheering or jeering or, or, you know, we'll maintain the quorum so the speakers can have

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their minute and, and make that point. And so our next speaker is joanna

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arango, to be followed by renee, uh, al

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sdos sdo. Si. Thank you. Good evening,

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everyone. I'm juana arango from oaxaca, mexico,

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and I'm here with, uh, with alma libre. We

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are part of sonoma county sanctuary coalition. I've been living in petaluma

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for 29 years, and I feel very fortunate to be here

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as a petaluma resident. I want to represent my community. We, as immigrants

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feel fear to speak up, however, we highly support this

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new law. I personally support a new law of no collaboration with

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ice in petaluma, because I will feel safe.

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I would like to respectfully ask all the members of our city council to please

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pass this new law so my immigrant community can be

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protected from ice. You should not

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say god bless america if you don't care about your neighbor.

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peace to all. Thank you. Thank you, renee zeto to

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be followed by gloria mcallister.

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good evening, renee cevo with the sonoma county sanctuary coalition.

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due to trump's enforcement practices and repression,

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there is an entire community in petaluma living

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in terror and extreme emotional distress. That is why

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most of them are not here. There's nothing more frightening

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than being forcibly separated from your family, than

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potentially being indefinitely incarcerated in, in

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inhumane conditions. Studies conducted by

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the immigrant legal resource center, as well as other,

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uh, well-respected organizations affirm the obvious

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that immigrants don't feel safe dealing with local officials,

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especially law enforcement. There is no trust,

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and that puts everyone in danger when people don't want to

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report crimes or serve as witnesses to crimes. Thank

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you very much, gloria mcallister to be followed by eric vasquez.

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good evening to all of you. My name is gloria

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mcallister and I have lived in peta since 1990.

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I'm also a lead coordinator for pet los mutos.

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it breaks my heart to see our immigrant community

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grow fearful, so fearful that they feel unsafe

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participating in their own cultural celebrations. Their

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children ask why, why can't we go out there to,

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to enjoy our culture? It's time to help our immigrant

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community return to their tranquil lives. They deserve peace,

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they deserve protection. I urge our council members to pass a citywide

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non cooperation ordinance. Now, important

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immigrants are low ab their law abiding citizens.

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they are our neighbors. They are our friends. Les

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recognize their contribution for making our petaluma

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much better. Le they deserve kind and fair justice. Thank

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you eric vasquez, to be followed by kat zaro.

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good evening, mr. Mayor and council members. My name is eric vasquez, and

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I stand here today in solidarity with our community, urging you to place

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a non-cooperation ordinance on our agenda so migrant workers in this

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city can stop living in fear. If this federal administration

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has taught us anything, it's that we can no longer afford the niceties

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in the face of clear threats to our neighbors livelihoods. It was

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this council just last year that first took up a resolution protecting

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our immigrant neighbors. Unfortunately, it wasn't unanimous.

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that hesitation was rooted in the fear that protecting people

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would be a liability to our funding. Those fears

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didn't come true. Our county sued the court sided with

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us, and petaluma still stands. A non-cooperation

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ordinance takes that hesitation off the table. For good.

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dozens of cities and counties have already stopped sharing resources with

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federal administra immigration enforcement. Thank you. Thank you

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kat nazario to be followed by kirk lot.

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hi, my name is kat nario and I'm a granddaughter of immigrants, the

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fought against fascism and imposing force and a threat to our civil liberties and freedoms.

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this town is riddled with an unjust displacement of first indigenous peoples. And

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the chinese laborers who built the railroads, shaped the rivers and tended to our land

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when they were deemed no longer valuable, they were forced out. This isn't a

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distant past. And in this last year, the leadership acknowledged the hard work of those

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families and the wrongs of displacement by dedicating a park and erecting a plaque.

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the immigrants currently in this community is what keeps it going. They grow our food,

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they create our wine, they make our restaurants, stores, schools and communities run.

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I know this community will protect them with everything they've got. So whether this council

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chooses to cooperate with ice or not, the and to be there

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on the right side of history or the wrong, I know this community will protect them,

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come hell or high water. Here is the moment to protect this community in real

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time. Show you've learned from the lessons of the past instead of dedicating a park

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and a plaque in 50 years down the road. Thank you so much. Thanks. Thank

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you kirk locke, to be follow.

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uh, thank you, uh, mayor mcdonald and members of

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the council. Uh, as you well know, I've been in business here in petaluma

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for 41 years, starting august of, uh, this month, next month.

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in that time, we've seen this community grow. We've seen diversity

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expand. Uh, it wasn't always that that case at

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one time there were a lot of chinese actually helping to build, um,

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petaluma, and yet they went away because of the 1882 exclusion

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laws and anti-chinese sentiments. We don't wanna

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see that happen again with any other immigrant communities. I think it's

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our responsibility as citizens of, uh, petaluma to make

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sure that we fight for our immigrant communities. Immigrants

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are the ones that built the us. Our 250

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year anniversary would not happen

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if it wasn't for immigrants. And they come from all over the world.

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and we need to continue to inspire future

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generations. Thank you of immigrants. Come, uh, thank you. Thank and our next speakers,

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naar ahman, and, uh, to be followed by antonio jimenez.

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hello, mr. Mayor. Uh, city council members. Um, my

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name is naar. I graduated casa grande. I went to school

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in kenworth in the old campus, by the way. And I graduated

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in mcdowell school where my parents live down the street

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from where I went to elementary school. So I'm from

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this community and, uh, I represent a bunch of

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organizations, uh, the north bay organizing project, jobs of justice, uh,

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healthcare workers for peace, equality, and community empowerment.

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I'm a healthcare worker, but most importantly, I represent seven,

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seven generations. My great-grandmother,

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my grandmother, my parents, my cousins, and their

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children. So seven, uh, we're part of this community.

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and, uh, what, what I'm gonna say is, uh, I'm, I'm really busy

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and, um, I'm not gonna stand by and watch as,

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uh, detention centers are being built on top of japanese internment camps

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being built on top of bureau of land management. Thank

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you. So, uh, I yield my time to the next person,

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and antonio jimenez to be followed by elena feldman.

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good evening, honorable counsel. Tonight I stand before using the alias antonio jimenez.

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because I'm a child of undocumented ignorance and I feel for the safety of my family. If I

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were to show my face while I tell my story. I grew up in the ammo administration when

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even the first black president meant a record number of deportations of my people. I grew

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up in the california of the early two thousands when undocumented immigrants couldn't hold the driver's

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license. And myself and my siblings feared every like it might be the last time we ever

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saw our parents. I grew up feeling inferior in my own country, my birthplace, because

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I quickly learned that some people deserved more protections because of the color of their skin. It's

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never been about legality. Speeding is also illegal and might add more recklessly

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dangerous to others. If the retroactive punishment for speeding 30 years ago was the relinquishing

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of your fourth amendment rights and being kidnapped and shipped off to a concentration camp, would you willingly

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accept that? Because you shouldn't have broken the law. My family has been paying their taxes in

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petaluma for decades, and I'm right there behind them. I urge you to adopt a

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non-cooperation ordinance and be on the right side of history. Thank you.

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thank you elena feldman to be followed by eric leland.

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hello, my name is elana, member of the sonoma county

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sanctuary coalition. I've been a resident in the petaluma community

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for more than 22 years. I'm here this evening to speak on

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behalf of my immigrant community, the hands that harvest the

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food on our table, the hand that hold those of our sick and

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our elderly when they're in nursing homes and hospitals. I'm here today because our

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community is under threat. The very people who sustain us are

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living in fear. The constant threat of ice, ice, the

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domestic terrorist organizations spreading across the united states,

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fueled by hate, corruption, prejudice, and lawlessness continues

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to grow, attaining new facilities to cage human beings

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in inhuman conditions, kidnapping our neighbors with no

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due process, no judicial warrants, hiding their identities

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behind masks, armed with guns, tear gas, batons, perpetrating

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violence with no remorse. The whole world is watching. How is this happening?

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thank you eric leland to be followed by dennis

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posade. Hi, my name

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is, uh, eric leland. Um, I served on a, uh, uh,

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committee for, uh, public safety, uh, in town. And

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I'm a legal observer trainer. Um, it's, it's important that

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we all understand that all of us here, everyone in the daes, everyone behind me,

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um, works together for community safety. Public safety is community safety.

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we keep each other safe. You may not be aware, but there's literally

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thousands of people in this community doing various mutual aid and support

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for, um, each other, uh, in this town on a daily basis, right,

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because of this crisis. So I urge you to put on the agenda,

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the non-cooperation ordinance at the soonest possible

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moment. And for all of you this time, not most

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of you, but all of you this time to support that ordinance when it comes up.

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thank you. Thank you dennis

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ske to be followed by jennifer boyle

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test. I, okay. Um, thank you for allowing me to speak.

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um, I'm dennis ske. I amm from petaluma. Um, I,

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uh, I'm also the grandchild of immigrants.

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and, um, I, uh, I treasure most of my one grandmother

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that, um, um, when she sent my dad to school,

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the first day she got a letter back from the teacher saying, amal can't even

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write his name. Uh, she sent a note back saying, that's

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why I'm sending him to school. Probably not quite,

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uh, spelled right. Um, I was coached all throughout my

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career, you know, it wasn't like it is now. Uh, but, but, uh, you know, I was told to

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lie low, don't make waves. Um, and, um, um,

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do the best you can. Uh, I think that's a slavic thing anyway, uh,

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but, uh, have, uh, great respect from my grandparents. And I'm pretty sure

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that none of them were educated. They were so uneducated at that point in time

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that, uh, that, that someone committed a mistake in the progress. And

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thank you. Thank you

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jennifer boyle to be followed by tina yonkers. Good evening

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mayor. Sea council and staff. Um, diverting a little bit

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off the topic, but

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onto, we have experienced for some time

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now the weaponization from large bad actor equity

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mobile homeowners against the most vulnerable

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mobile park residents here in petaluma. The unfair

449
00:34:32,175 --> 00:34:35,455
consumer business practices, the imbalance of wealth and weaponizing

450
00:34:36,675 --> 00:34:40,635
the fair market increase application, the weaponization of

451
00:34:40,855 --> 00:34:44,545
the closure conversion process mandated by state

452
00:34:44,955 --> 00:34:48,755
law ab 2 7 82, using the legal systems for

453
00:34:49,295 --> 00:34:52,995
frivolous lawsuit, one after the other. And of course, the

454
00:34:53,575 --> 00:34:57,395
strategy of bringing down any resident who stands up for

455
00:34:57,615 --> 00:35:00,845
their rights must never be rewarded by any city

456
00:35:01,675 --> 00:35:04,535
or country. We remind all of the

457
00:35:05,705 --> 00:35:09,675
thank you. Thank you, tina yonkers should

458
00:35:10,095 --> 00:35:11,375
be followed by mark kimberly.

459
00:35:14,125 --> 00:35:17,865
good evening. We remind all those

460
00:35:18,285 --> 00:35:22,235
arbitrators resulted in zero rewards once the

461
00:35:22,455 --> 00:35:25,215
park opened up their books. Using the mnio

462
00:35:28,495 --> 00:35:32,375
standard method of discernment, little woods park owners

463
00:35:33,265 --> 00:35:37,155
serve the residents again on july 3rd with

464
00:35:37,485 --> 00:35:41,255
a fourth attempted arbitration increase. Does it make sense

465
00:35:41,915 --> 00:35:45,745
that three years with this applied attempt to close the

466
00:35:45,965 --> 00:35:49,965
park, three appeals to zero awards they received,

467
00:35:50,645 --> 00:35:54,585
received in the past three arbitration attempts a new lawsuit against the

468
00:35:54,805 --> 00:35:58,765
city, as well as other lawmakers against the city that would attempt

469
00:35:59,175 --> 00:36:02,735
their arbitration even take place. These large

470
00:36:03,305 --> 00:36:07,255
equity owned owners warned all of us that

471
00:36:07,765 --> 00:36:11,545
we do have to keep up with their demands or they will litigate

472
00:36:12,725 --> 00:36:16,635
or, or will be forced to submit to their actions. Thank

473
00:36:16,985 --> 00:36:20,605
you very much. Thank you, mark kimberly to be followed by susan hussey.

474
00:36:23,835 --> 00:36:26,085
mark, are you in the house? He was.

475
00:36:28,465 --> 00:36:31,905
okay. Um, susan hussey to be followed by kaitlyn

476
00:36:32,475 --> 00:36:36,395
quinn. Susan, are you in the house?

477
00:36:42,125 --> 00:36:45,865
are you susan? No. Okay. No. Susan going once,

478
00:36:46,195 --> 00:36:49,545
twice. Thank you. Um, caitlin quinn,

479
00:36:50,275 --> 00:36:53,995
hello to, to be followed by. Hi, uh, uh, swan haer. Thank

480
00:36:54,345 --> 00:36:58,265
you all for the time. I am here. I'm not here speaking for anybody, but I am a school board

481
00:36:58,465 --> 00:37:02,225
trustee with petaluma city schools. Y'all, we did this so long ago in petaluma

482
00:37:02,665 --> 00:37:06,385
city schools. It's really not that hard. It's pretty straightforward. No one should be cooperating

483
00:37:06,785 --> 00:37:10,105
with ice unless there's a judicial warrant. That's just common sense. I fear.

484
00:37:10,965 --> 00:37:14,625
um, it's not radical, it's not leftist. Um, I'm also the president of planned

485
00:37:15,025 --> 00:37:19,025
parenthood, northern california workers united. We have seen a huge downturn

486
00:37:20,005 --> 00:37:23,605
in our patients coming to see us and getting necessary. Healthcare people

487
00:37:24,045 --> 00:37:27,625
are terrified. And if this little thing that takes you all 15

488
00:37:28,105 --> 00:37:32,005
minutes can make even two people feel safer, isn't that worth it? Yes,

489
00:37:32,645 --> 00:37:36,625
it is. So I thank you all for your time and I know you'll do the right thing. At least most

490
00:37:36,865 --> 00:37:40,025
of you I have not a lot of faith in a few of you .

491
00:37:41,915 --> 00:37:43,365
thank you. I swan hauser.

492
00:37:48,575 --> 00:37:52,545
four days ago, the sebastopol chief of police told a concerned

493
00:37:53,305 --> 00:37:57,145
resident that ice is law enforcement. If this is accurate,

494
00:37:57,685 --> 00:38:01,625
ice should be held to the standards of other law enforcement agencies, but it's

495
00:38:01,905 --> 00:38:05,785
not. Instead, lawlessness and contempt for human life

496
00:38:06,165 --> 00:38:10,115
appear as standard policy within ice. Brady tillett wrote

497
00:38:10,535 --> 00:38:14,355
from the california city detention center that the rule of law does not exist

498
00:38:15,325 --> 00:38:19,125
inside detention for me or for the countless others I've met during my

499
00:38:19,345 --> 00:38:22,025
time in ice custody. Ice is not law enforcement.

500
00:38:23,925 --> 00:38:27,905
the eighth amendment of the constitution protects every prisoner's right to get

501
00:38:28,105 --> 00:38:31,865
medical care. Yet again and again, we're faced with direct reports

502
00:38:32,685 --> 00:38:36,625
of medical neglect across ice detention facilities. Ice is

503
00:38:36,865 --> 00:38:40,625
not law enforcement. I think this council values

504
00:38:41,225 --> 00:38:44,845
the law, especially when the law reflects our collective values of inclusion, diversity,

505
00:38:45,385 --> 00:38:49,245
and respect for all residents. We are asking this council to place a non-cooperation

506
00:38:49,885 --> 00:38:53,805
ordinance on the agenda for action as soon as possible and to adopt it into law. Thank

507
00:38:54,085 --> 00:38:57,945
you. Thank you. Okay. At this point, we'll move over to our

508
00:38:58,305 --> 00:39:01,845
remote, uh, callers and I'll ask the city clerk to bring in our remote callers.

509
00:39:04,025 --> 00:39:07,705
yes. The first speaker will be jennifer k. Please

510
00:39:08,125 --> 00:39:11,205
go ahead with your comment. ,

511
00:39:21,865 --> 00:39:25,645
I just got the unmute notice, but this is not jennifer k this is darren kuson. So,

512
00:39:26,285 --> 00:39:30,235
um, I'll jump into my one minute and get it outta the way. Just following up on the hotel

513
00:39:30,585 --> 00:39:34,105
incentive program that was discussed at our last meeting, uh, morgan

514
00:39:34,725 --> 00:39:38,665
hill's similar tot rev share incentive program was referenced

515
00:39:39,245 --> 00:39:42,945
as kind of a model. And it was interesting digging into that. It was actually a developer

516
00:39:43,505 --> 00:39:47,465
partnered with appalachian as the hospitality group that rolled that out

517
00:39:47,665 --> 00:39:51,065
in morgan hill. And, you know, if they've brought that idea to petaluma,

518
00:39:52,035 --> 00:39:55,985
great, let's assess it. But in morgan hill, they did get hard cost figures.

519
00:39:56,845 --> 00:40:00,785
so in that instance, it was mohi was the name of the hotel in morgan hill that

520
00:40:00,945 --> 00:40:04,385
needed a rev share agreement. And they got firm cost figures

521
00:40:04,965 --> 00:40:08,665
on what the hotel needed, how much gap there was to fill with the tot,

522
00:40:09,165 --> 00:40:13,015
uh, rev share agreement. So if we are gonna do the same thing and jump

523
00:40:13,375 --> 00:40:17,365
into the, you know, appalachians plan, let's make sure that we demand

524
00:40:18,055 --> 00:40:20,865
good cost figures, uh, as well. Thank you.

525
00:40:24,595 --> 00:40:26,135
the next speaker is alan w

526
00:40:29,385 --> 00:40:33,225
please unmute yourself and make your comment. Hi. Yes, thank you. My

527
00:40:33,445 --> 00:40:37,125
name's alan wolves and I'm a lifelong sonoma county resident. I'm requesting

528
00:40:37,645 --> 00:40:41,525
that you as soon as possible, agendize and then pass a non-cooperation ordinance

529
00:40:41,965 --> 00:40:45,825
with ice against ice. Dozens, if not hundreds of cities and

530
00:40:46,245 --> 00:40:50,205
counties in california, including the county of sonoma and santa rosa, have taken

531
00:40:50,365 --> 00:40:53,925
this really important step to protect their community members from this lawless fascist

532
00:40:54,405 --> 00:40:58,265
organization. I don't need to go over all the systemic abuses

533
00:40:58,685 --> 00:41:02,405
that ice has committed against both undocumented and documented residents

534
00:41:02,725 --> 00:41:06,055
who they just suspect of being immigrants. We have to do everything

535
00:41:06,745 --> 00:41:10,625
in our power to stop this abuse and protect our community members. The

536
00:41:10,845 --> 00:41:14,685
trump administration announced four days ago, they're stepping up work site immigration enforcement

537
00:41:15,285 --> 00:41:18,945
operations. So the time to do this is right now, please

538
00:41:19,365 --> 00:41:22,645
show your community that you care about all of its members. Thank you.

539
00:41:29,585 --> 00:41:32,365
and that concludes our online, our zoom participants,

540
00:41:33,785 --> 00:41:36,875
and then that closes, uh, general public comment.

541
00:41:38,025 --> 00:41:41,965
and, um, with that, that brings it up to council comments. And I think I'm just gonna

542
00:41:42,505 --> 00:41:45,985
add a, a little editorial note right here, um,

543
00:41:46,715 --> 00:41:49,765
regarding ice out. I, uh, I appreciate you being here.

544
00:41:51,165 --> 00:41:54,985
I appreciate the meetings I've had with dennis and the other leaders of, um, the,

545
00:41:55,225 --> 00:41:59,065
uh, the effort and, um, and,

546
00:41:59,345 --> 00:42:03,295
and, um, clear clearly. Um, one I and I,

547
00:42:03,495 --> 00:42:07,335
I look out in the audience, I see many of my friends, um, who I've chatted with about

548
00:42:07,615 --> 00:42:11,255
this. And, um, we're all very concerned regarding

549
00:42:11,775 --> 00:42:15,735
protections for the immigrant communities in california. I mean, and

550
00:42:15,895 --> 00:42:18,955
frankly, for our own basic civil rights. Um,

551
00:42:20,005 --> 00:42:23,975
it's a horrible state we're in right now in response to

552
00:42:24,135 --> 00:42:27,775
growing concerns about the federal government seeking to entangle states and local

553
00:42:28,495 --> 00:42:31,565
agencies and immigration enforcement, um,

554
00:42:32,995 --> 00:42:36,825
in ways that do not comport with the law. The state of california legislator

555
00:42:37,495 --> 00:42:41,255
has recently enacted an, uh, bill, uh, s sb five

556
00:42:41,555 --> 00:42:45,255
80, which will require california attorney general to, to develop

557
00:42:45,715 --> 00:42:49,695
and publish model policies that demonstrate how state and

558
00:42:49,855 --> 00:42:53,695
local agencies should interact with immigration enforcement in a manners

559
00:42:54,015 --> 00:42:57,995
that are lawful and consistent. And we've been invited to,

560
00:42:58,435 --> 00:43:02,165
um, join into that conversation with them. I think this

561
00:43:02,475 --> 00:43:05,945
has gotten statewide attention that this needs to happen on a statewide level.

562
00:43:06,835 --> 00:43:10,655
and, and that's an important part. Um, I think

563
00:43:10,935 --> 00:43:14,815
I it's fair to say, um, you know, we see you, we hear you

564
00:43:16,525 --> 00:43:20,355
this, um, past weekend, 4th of july, big opportunity for

565
00:43:20,575 --> 00:43:24,335
speech making. The mayor gets to make speech. And I just wanna drop two of the quotes

566
00:43:25,245 --> 00:43:28,575
that I used in my 4th of july at our, here in our petaluma

567
00:43:29,775 --> 00:43:33,105
historic museums, um, event. One was jesse jackson.

568
00:43:34,645 --> 00:43:38,635
america is not a blanket, one piece of unbroken cloth. The same color, the

569
00:43:38,855 --> 00:43:42,405
same texture, same size. America is a quilt. Many patches,

570
00:43:42,895 --> 00:43:46,735
many pieces, many colors, many sizes, all woven together and held by

571
00:43:46,935 --> 00:43:50,475
a common thread. And the other one that I left with was

572
00:43:51,495 --> 00:43:54,735
americanism, is a question of principle of idealism of character.

573
00:43:55,635 --> 00:43:59,135
it is not a matter of birthplace or creed or line of descent.

574
00:44:00,165 --> 00:44:04,105
that's teddy roosevelt. So, um, I think, uh, I,

575
00:44:04,365 --> 00:44:08,105
we hear you. And with that, I'd like to, uh, have council comments. Start with council

576
00:44:08,385 --> 00:44:12,165
member cater thompson. Thank you. Um,

577
00:44:13,205 --> 00:44:17,205
the mayor and I signed an agreement to, um, put this on, uh, an

578
00:44:17,425 --> 00:44:19,425
agenda. And so I'm assuming we're gonna be,

579
00:44:26,525 --> 00:44:30,405
we will be moving forward with that. I'm not sure when it's gonna be on the agenda. I'm

580
00:44:30,625 --> 00:44:34,245
kind of curious about time timing and maybe we could have a conversation

581
00:44:34,725 --> 00:44:38,575
about that. And I think I'm just going to leave

582
00:44:38,925 --> 00:44:41,905
that as my comment. I mean, many of us are

583
00:44:43,205 --> 00:44:47,125
actually, um, children or grandchildren of immigrants. They came here and they, they

584
00:44:47,405 --> 00:44:51,325
left their country for the very same reason why many people left their country

585
00:44:51,675 --> 00:44:55,665
because they were, they were not welcomed. And

586
00:44:56,065 --> 00:44:59,845
my grandmother came by herself three years later. She went through the siberian

587
00:45:00,405 --> 00:45:04,045
rail through japan into seattle, and then to minneapolis

588
00:45:04,565 --> 00:45:08,405
where he worked at the shipyards. And then they all moved to

589
00:45:08,605 --> 00:45:12,215
petaluma in the early 19 hundreds. Um, immigrants,

590
00:45:13,335 --> 00:45:17,285
we've made this country and we wanna continue being part of it.

591
00:45:17,625 --> 00:45:21,205
and we don't wanna be separated out. Um, that's who we are.

592
00:45:21,695 --> 00:45:25,465
we're in horrible times right now. I mean, even soccer

593
00:45:26,055 --> 00:45:29,925
can't be played with the horrible person trying to

594
00:45:30,835 --> 00:45:34,725
make the rules . Um, and we can fight this and we need to fight it locally,

595
00:45:35,225 --> 00:45:39,085
but we also need to fight it at the state level. 'cause the state needs to get on

596
00:45:39,245 --> 00:45:43,125
parity with the cities, um, and start working with us. And another point

597
00:45:43,365 --> 00:45:46,345
is I also graduated from kenilworth, the old one,

598
00:45:47,615 --> 00:45:51,505
along with you. And, um, let's see, a few other things. Um,

599
00:45:52,265 --> 00:45:56,175
the mobile home parks, when people talk, they're being terrorized,

600
00:45:57,625 --> 00:46:01,485
um, by these corporations trying to buy up these parks, kicking people

601
00:46:02,065 --> 00:46:05,815
out and just taking the land. And so we're

602
00:46:06,165 --> 00:46:09,435
all in this together, and we will bring this back soon.

603
00:46:10,425 --> 00:46:14,385
um, and I do want to, you know, reiterate that it's important that we do work with the state, see

604
00:46:14,605 --> 00:46:18,365
what their language is so we can incorporate that and incorporate our language also in ordinance.

605
00:46:18,975 --> 00:46:20,805
thank you. Thank you.

606
00:46:25,675 --> 00:46:28,605
decorum, please. Um, councilman barnacle.

607
00:46:30,025 --> 00:46:33,805
uh, thank you, uh, mr. Mayor. Thank you everybody in the audience. Um, I hope everybody

608
00:46:34,145 --> 00:46:37,775
had a, um, a pleasant long weekend. Um, I appreciate council member cater

609
00:46:38,325 --> 00:46:42,085
thompson and the mayor bringing forward a, an ordinance, uh, request or an agenda request item.

610
00:46:42,705 --> 00:46:46,465
um, certainly look forward to supporting that. Um, I appreciate, uh,

611
00:46:46,795 --> 00:46:50,645
everybody who's here tonight. Um, most importantly, I appreciate all the work you're

612
00:46:50,885 --> 00:46:54,885
doing outside of the city hall to keep people safe, make people feel safe as to the extent

613
00:46:55,085 --> 00:46:59,035
that you can. Um, and while I'm not always there with you, I'm very

614
00:46:59,485 --> 00:47:03,445
much appreciative of you and, um, uh, moved by your story, by the

615
00:47:03,565 --> 00:47:06,845
stories I'm hearing and moved by all the work you're doing. So thank you very much.

616
00:47:07,905 --> 00:47:11,825
um, on a, my report out from some of my other, uh,

617
00:47:12,045 --> 00:47:15,965
committees, um, planning commission met, uh, a couple

618
00:47:16,085 --> 00:47:19,295
weeks ago, and we, um, adopted a commercial

619
00:47:20,475 --> 00:47:24,065
sort of streamlining pilot for one, one parcel where an owner wanted to,

620
00:47:24,745 --> 00:47:28,315
um, basically make it easier to bring in, um, more smaller tenants.

621
00:47:29,185 --> 00:47:33,025
um, I think it has, uh, applications for other parcels, uh,

622
00:47:33,245 --> 00:47:36,485
throughout the city. Um, so I'm looking forward to seeing how that rolls out.

623
00:47:37,305 --> 00:47:41,155
um, and we also, uh, um, adopted

624
00:47:41,765 --> 00:47:45,445
a resolution recommending to the council to allow pools and spas at,

625
00:47:45,785 --> 00:47:49,325
um, the, uh, the scott ranch

626
00:47:49,885 --> 00:47:53,765
property, um, where they're, uh, the 28 units that are there. Basically every

627
00:47:54,005 --> 00:47:57,885
other single family home in petaluma is allowed to have pool spas, hot tubs, things

628
00:47:58,045 --> 00:48:01,645
like that. But not those 28 for some reason. Um, and then,

629
00:48:02,185 --> 00:48:06,085
uh, on sonoma clean power, we opened up the business

630
00:48:06,305 --> 00:48:09,765
one stop shop, which, uh, really happy about. Uh, it's, um,

631
00:48:10,985 --> 00:48:14,855
up at five 30

632
00:48:15,515 --> 00:48:19,415
e street in santa rosa. And this is, um, a loan that the, uh,

633
00:48:19,635 --> 00:48:23,515
sonoma clean power made to, um, uh, a group

634
00:48:23,675 --> 00:48:27,035
of people, but really led by, uh, he, hector velasquez, the executive

635
00:48:27,715 --> 00:48:31,515
director of the hispanic chamber of commerce of sonoma county, to create

636
00:48:32,115 --> 00:48:35,835
a one-stop shop, really focused on multicultural, um, business support

637
00:48:36,435 --> 00:48:40,155
services. Um, a lot of, um, it's sort of fitting tonight, but a lot of,

638
00:48:40,535 --> 00:48:44,395
uh, people who, you know, english is their second language, it's tough to make

639
00:48:44,555 --> 00:48:48,475
sense of permit applications and things like that. And this center is basically a

640
00:48:48,595 --> 00:48:51,945
place where you get sort of, uh, white glove services with

641
00:48:52,875 --> 00:48:56,815
business advising formation, licensing and permits, loan readiness, access

642
00:48:57,235 --> 00:49:01,235
to capital marketing and visibility. Um, they have a green

643
00:49:01,475 --> 00:49:05,395
room where you can go in and film your commercial. They've got, uh, workshops

644
00:49:05,715 --> 00:49:09,635
and clinics and a coworking space. Um, and so it's just getting off the ground right now.

645
00:49:09,975 --> 00:49:13,915
um, but really excited about it. And it'll be working with our economic development department,

646
00:49:14,315 --> 00:49:18,205
the chambers of commerce around sonoma county and things like that to really, um, bring

647
00:49:18,585 --> 00:49:21,875
more, uh, business support services for early entrepreneurs.

648
00:49:23,735 --> 00:49:27,555
um, and their, their tagline is, entrepreneurial spirit has no color, gender, or

649
00:49:27,755 --> 00:49:31,715
ethnicity. It has fire, passion, and resiliency. Um, so I really,

650
00:49:32,135 --> 00:49:35,695
I'm proud of that investment that we made. Uh, and then the final thing, um,

651
00:49:36,215 --> 00:49:40,155
we finished the fair thank you to all the staff who work there, um, and helped make it

652
00:49:40,515 --> 00:49:44,475
possible, and all the patrons, um, I think I saw my first ever mosh pit at

653
00:49:44,675 --> 00:49:48,395
the petaluma fair . So, um, that was cool, uh, first for everything.

654
00:49:48,935 --> 00:49:52,895
um, and also, I just wanna say thank you to council member now for, um, really

655
00:49:53,315 --> 00:49:57,315
just going above and beyond. She was there volunteering for like a week leading up to

656
00:49:57,675 --> 00:50:01,245
the fair, at least, um, to, uh, bring,

657
00:50:01,695 --> 00:50:05,265
you know, basically revive this, this long unknown

658
00:50:05,775 --> 00:50:09,155
little parcel of a flower garden and just being everything,

659
00:50:10,015 --> 00:50:13,815
uh, like mrs. Petaluma or miss petaluma in terms of, um,

660
00:50:14,535 --> 00:50:18,355
loving the fair and, um, really bringing the spirit of it.

661
00:50:18,575 --> 00:50:22,375
and I think the, the energy and the commitment to, um, community was

662
00:50:22,705 --> 00:50:25,355
ever present, um, with that. So thank you very much.

663
00:50:27,625 --> 00:50:27,625
yay.

664
00:50:32,495 --> 00:50:36,075
council member shrives. Uh, thank you.

665
00:50:36,735 --> 00:50:40,535
um, just for the folks out there, my father was an immigrant, and my, uh, on

666
00:50:40,755 --> 00:50:44,685
my mother's side, her, her parents were immigrants and, uh, had similar fears

667
00:50:45,105 --> 00:50:48,975
when they arrived. Um, so yeah, so I feel you. Um,

668
00:50:50,265 --> 00:50:53,985
also, I went to the fourth, uh, uh, celebration with

669
00:50:54,275 --> 00:50:58,235
the bell ringing at the museum. And one of the, the most interesting and inspiring,

670
00:50:59,295 --> 00:51:02,875
uh, statements was by a brigadier general who actually lives here in town.

671
00:51:03,775 --> 00:51:07,675
and one of the things he talked about, he's also a historian, and basically

672
00:51:08,155 --> 00:51:11,795
brought up the point that there was like over 50 signers on their declaration of independence,

673
00:51:12,935 --> 00:51:16,665
and most, if not all, suffered greatly through

674
00:51:17,155 --> 00:51:21,135
the war. And afterwards, many losing their lives, kicked

675
00:51:21,555 --> 00:51:25,235
outta their homes, went bankrupt, everything taken away from them.

676
00:51:25,615 --> 00:51:29,535
and they were on the run and had had to, uh, be out in camps, in, in various ways for,

677
00:51:29,855 --> 00:51:33,825
uh, home, basically homeless for a while. Um, so lots of suffering from, from

678
00:51:34,115 --> 00:51:38,035
the process. So just that was inspirational here, that, that these, our folks, our for founders,

679
00:51:38,655 --> 00:51:42,635
um, took it upon themselves knowing that that was going to happen to them, but they

680
00:51:42,795 --> 00:51:46,795
did it anyway. So yeah, we need to take action. So one of the

681
00:51:46,875 --> 00:51:50,755
things I did, um, well, I went to, um, a workshop on, uh, ai tools

682
00:51:51,895 --> 00:51:55,795
and, uh, and they said, oh, government could really use this. It was by, um, a, a,

683
00:51:55,955 --> 00:51:59,755
a stanford, um, professor type person. And they said, for regulations,

684
00:52:00,345 --> 00:52:04,295
permits, data searches, reviews, and the like, and even ordinances. So

685
00:52:04,555 --> 00:52:08,535
I went to this morning and I asked ai about, um, can

686
00:52:08,755 --> 00:52:12,535
you create an ordinance, ordinance for ice? And,

687
00:52:12,775 --> 00:52:16,695
uh, so I did, um, and I found out more information. Turns out

688
00:52:17,105 --> 00:52:20,555
they have recently doubled the number of, uh, quota

689
00:52:21,255 --> 00:52:25,145
for ice to capture right now, uh, doubling on a daily basis, like

690
00:52:25,435 --> 00:52:29,335
2000 people quotas now is being set. The other thing I found out

691
00:52:29,695 --> 00:52:33,215
is that, um, the detentions are anywhere from a month to

692
00:52:33,825 --> 00:52:37,655
over a year, and that over 90% of the folks are

693
00:52:38,115 --> 00:52:42,035
actually deported. So it's really sad and bad. Look at what they're doing.

694
00:52:42,225 --> 00:52:45,355
similar to brown shirts of nazi germany. Really terrible.

695
00:52:46,535 --> 00:52:50,455
so, um, anyway, so I asked, uh, a google ai

696
00:52:50,695 --> 00:52:54,695
to come up with, uh, an ordinance, uh, particular for petaluma to

697
00:52:54,915 --> 00:52:58,595
help strengthen the ordinance that was already supplied to us. So I have that here.

698
00:52:58,935 --> 00:53:02,785
I'm gonna pass it over to legal so they can take a look at it and maybe make,

699
00:53:03,265 --> 00:53:04,475
make what you suggested stronger.

700
00:53:08,545 --> 00:53:12,465
okay. On, um, other business, um, north bay watershed,

701
00:53:13,135 --> 00:53:17,135
uh, reuse or so, authority has decided to, uh,

702
00:53:17,755 --> 00:53:21,305
rename themselves to north bay water resiliency authority,

703
00:53:22,215 --> 00:53:25,425
change the word resiliency so that we can start working on,

704
00:53:26,225 --> 00:53:29,625
um, collecting water, distributing water, and,

705
00:53:30,265 --> 00:53:34,045
um, and then reusing water. So, uh, they're expanding their, their mission tremendously.

706
00:53:35,265 --> 00:53:39,175
so the resiliency is, is crossing over into other missions of generalist

707
00:53:39,845 --> 00:53:43,745
water supply and as well as the mission that I'm also on the north bay

708
00:53:44,075 --> 00:53:47,765
watershed association. So sea level rise, groundwaters water supply.

709
00:53:48,545 --> 00:53:52,505
um, so there's gonna be more groups working on, um, our current issues, uh,

710
00:53:52,825 --> 00:53:55,575
all around water, uh, in combination with sonoma, uh, water

711
00:53:57,635 --> 00:54:01,565
agon open space. I happen to be the, uh, vice chair of that at the recent meetings. And there

712
00:54:01,945 --> 00:54:05,785
we had just converted over to zoom meetings there also. And, um,

713
00:54:06,455 --> 00:54:09,745
there was a grand jury report by the sonoma county grand jury giving

714
00:54:10,475 --> 00:54:14,285
huge praise to ag and open space about what one of the best organizations we

715
00:54:14,485 --> 00:54:18,045
have here in the county, delivering on the, the taxation monies that we've been delivering

716
00:54:18,785 --> 00:54:22,665
and how it's being used and how that staff is doing a great job of

717
00:54:22,885 --> 00:54:26,605
preserving agriculture, which also adds to our improving our water

718
00:54:26,925 --> 00:54:30,805
supply here in the county and our watersheds. Um, there was another

719
00:54:30,965 --> 00:54:34,905
meeting, um, in town here at the downtown, uh, about the vacancies. And

720
00:54:35,125 --> 00:54:38,765
so a citizen group has come together, so to be aware of that, and they're going

721
00:54:39,165 --> 00:54:43,045
to help, uh, the city along. Um, and there's lots of discussions, pros and cons

722
00:54:43,385 --> 00:54:47,195
of carrot and stick, um, approaches to how we can change vacant lots,

723
00:54:47,535 --> 00:54:51,485
maybe even vacant stores into more productive units here in town. So there's a stu uh,

724
00:54:51,765 --> 00:54:54,985
a citizen effort to help out with the city on that. Um,

725
00:54:55,825 --> 00:54:59,625
and then finally the aquas community is, uh, um, developing and, uh,

726
00:54:59,845 --> 00:55:03,725
that's why they asked me to join. So I've, I'm a subcommittee there to help, uh, out the, the

727
00:55:03,925 --> 00:55:07,685
new aquas community to create more community and better relationships here in town.

728
00:55:08,065 --> 00:55:11,725
so I'll be supporting that effort here also, in addition to the other duties I have.

729
00:55:12,465 --> 00:55:16,365
um, so that's the report I have today. Thank you, council member.

730
00:55:16,705 --> 00:55:20,565
now. Um, thank you mr. Mayor. Um, for my council liaison report

731
00:55:20,845 --> 00:55:24,565
tonight, I have two committee reports. First, the public safety advisory committee

732
00:55:25,465 --> 00:55:29,405
had a presentation and discussion regarding the petaluma

733
00:55:29,965 --> 00:55:33,725
police department's annual military equipment use, which the report

734
00:55:34,085 --> 00:55:38,005
will be given to the city council on august 3rd. And the public is welcome

735
00:55:38,545 --> 00:55:41,925
to national night out, held at our fairgrounds on august 4th,

736
00:55:42,605 --> 00:55:46,325
where they can see and ask questions about our military

737
00:55:46,755 --> 00:55:50,525
equipment. Also at our public safety meeting, the subject to petaluma

738
00:55:51,045 --> 00:55:54,885
having four flock license plate readers were brought

739
00:55:55,125 --> 00:55:58,965
up once again. So tonight I bring the subject to the attention of the city

740
00:55:59,165 --> 00:56:02,745
council to possibly have on a future agenda

741
00:56:03,345 --> 00:56:07,005
for discussion. As a reminder to all that, the pet police department's

742
00:56:07,805 --> 00:56:11,645
policies are on our city's websites. The sonoma county

743
00:56:12,245 --> 00:56:16,245
homeless coalition has had a few meetings in the last month. The director of

744
00:56:16,405 --> 00:56:20,115
health services gives us updates to the committee members regarding

745
00:56:20,725 --> 00:56:24,125
the changes happening in funding and consolidating services,

746
00:56:24,785 --> 00:56:28,705
mental health services act, which then set in

747
00:56:28,925 --> 00:56:32,705
june. The goal is to minimize the impacts on individuals who depend

748
00:56:33,145 --> 00:56:37,145
on these services that are being impacted by the federal pets. On

749
00:56:37,445 --> 00:56:41,365
a positive note, I wanna thank our city's park and rec staff. I

750
00:56:41,485 --> 00:56:45,205
think most of them have left drew still here for not just the wonderful

751
00:56:45,645 --> 00:56:49,485
2026. Fair thank you council member barnacle, because

752
00:56:49,845 --> 00:56:53,125
I couldn't have done it without staff. And our, uh, contractor

753
00:56:54,135 --> 00:56:57,325
dibel, um, I, the wonderful 2026

754
00:56:58,475 --> 00:57:01,635
fair was put on by our staff. An awesome

755
00:57:03,405 --> 00:57:07,365
firework show was put on by our parks and rec staff. So thank you

756
00:57:07,585 --> 00:57:10,925
for a great show over the weekend on saturday.

757
00:57:11,865 --> 00:57:15,805
and I heard lots of, uh, positive comments regarding both

758
00:57:16,275 --> 00:57:19,725
from community members. Awesome. After the museum's

759
00:57:20,285 --> 00:57:24,165
annual bell ringing, I stopped in at numerous local parks and took

760
00:57:24,365 --> 00:57:27,445
photos because those were locations to see the fireworks,

761
00:57:28,465 --> 00:57:32,165
all the parks looked amazing and lots of community enjoying them, praising

762
00:57:32,905 --> 00:57:36,635
how well our parks looked. So like

763
00:57:37,085 --> 00:57:39,885
the song saturday in the park, it must have been 4th of july.

764
00:57:41,215 --> 00:57:45,095
thank you, city staff. Thank you to the mayor and council member cater

765
00:57:45,725 --> 00:57:49,645
thompson this evening for the announcement of a future agenda item regarding

766
00:57:50,305 --> 00:57:53,565
ice. It is very close to my heart. My ancestors

767
00:57:54,315 --> 00:57:58,245
were the blue eyes, spaniards that came up through mexico and built the missions

768
00:57:58,865 --> 00:58:02,525
and were the early californians and hard workers, and were not appreciated.

769
00:58:04,065 --> 00:58:07,595
my other ancestors were also farmers, irish and swedish.

770
00:58:08,875 --> 00:58:12,805
life was not easy for these people. And we wanna go into

771
00:58:13,005 --> 00:58:16,845
the future making it easy for our community to feel

772
00:58:17,115 --> 00:58:20,925
safe at night and the day. Thank you very much. Thank you,

773
00:58:22,075 --> 00:58:25,995
vice mayor. Good evening, everybody. First at airport

774
00:58:26,485 --> 00:58:30,265
commission, we did have a conversation about non-air airport uses and,

775
00:58:30,585 --> 00:58:34,365
uh, storage at the, uh, at the airport, um, to try to kind

776
00:58:34,605 --> 00:58:38,605
of better assess, you know, a lot of stuff from the city is stored and used there. And so the

777
00:58:38,765 --> 00:58:42,325
airport commission would like to know kind of how that, how that balances

778
00:58:42,845 --> 00:58:46,765
out. Um, that conversation's gonna end up coming back, uh, 'cause there

779
00:58:47,045 --> 00:58:51,005
was not a clear ending to that conversation. Uh, I'd also like to congratulate

780
00:58:51,705 --> 00:58:55,325
the, uh, pendulum area pilots, associations, and, which are all mostly commissioners.

781
00:58:55,965 --> 00:58:59,945
and everybody else in that group, uh, for their big airport bash, they had a couple weekends ago

782
00:59:00,345 --> 00:59:04,285
and they had a little over 2000 people out to the airport. Lots of little kids

783
00:59:04,505 --> 00:59:08,445
out there to see airplanes, um, you know, enjoy the aviation community and see

784
00:59:08,605 --> 00:59:12,595
what it's all about. So they did a great thing there. Uh, they have

785
00:59:12,955 --> 00:59:16,805
completed step one of the taxiway project, the first five

786
00:59:17,085 --> 00:59:20,755
day closure of it. There's another one coming up later this month. And then the taxiway

787
00:59:21,325 --> 00:59:24,485
should be finished. Uh, business can resume there, runway's open.

788
00:59:25,625 --> 00:59:29,285
and, um, over at parks and rec, we received a presentation

789
00:59:30,395 --> 00:59:34,385
from an eagle scout who wants to do a project and adding a, uh, batting cage out

790
00:59:34,605 --> 00:59:37,925
there to one of the little league fields. And so he's been working with staff on that,

791
00:59:38,625 --> 00:59:42,285
and that's a project that looks like it's gonna happen. So that's pretty cool. It's pretty ambitious

792
00:59:42,785 --> 00:59:46,615
for that, um, for that little guy. And then, um, you know, I'd like to thank

793
00:59:46,975 --> 00:59:50,695
staff for getting through the fair. I know they worked very hard, um, long extra

794
00:59:51,045 --> 00:59:54,865
hours to make it happen and give that to the community. So thank you for that. At

795
00:59:55,265 --> 00:59:59,265
ag and open space, um, probably the biggest highlight from that, that john didn't mention was

796
00:59:59,485 --> 01:00:03,085
the board of sups. They, uh, passed a resolution to support the ag

797
01:00:03,565 --> 01:00:07,515
industry and further a, uh, you know, kind of a working economic plan

798
01:00:07,825 --> 01:00:11,605
to help them and ensure that that, you know, is prioritized and, and those,

799
01:00:11,905 --> 01:00:15,805
you know, farmers are taken care of in the county. And then, um, hope everybody

800
01:00:16,125 --> 01:00:19,925
enjoyed the 4th of july, and thank you again to parks and rec for the fireworks. It was a great show.

801
01:00:20,235 --> 01:00:23,505
hope everybody was able to enjoy that. And then, um,

802
01:00:24,425 --> 01:00:28,085
you know, I know there's, uh, been a lot of rising concerns about data centers

803
01:00:28,545 --> 01:00:32,445
around, and, you know, I'm going to be, um, you know, if it

804
01:00:32,565 --> 01:00:36,365
needs to be a council discussion, I think it should be. But I'm gonna be meeting with staff to try to

805
01:00:36,875 --> 01:00:40,685
work out if that's even possible here. Um, what steps can be taken

806
01:00:41,305 --> 01:00:45,205
and then, you know, if we're all good, we're all good, but if it needs to come to council, we'll have a

807
01:00:45,325 --> 01:00:49,325
discussion about that. And then I do appreciate everybody that came here tonight. And

808
01:00:49,525 --> 01:00:53,445
I do believe that everybody sitting up here wants the best for our immigrant community.

809
01:00:54,385 --> 01:00:58,285
and I think that we're very fortunate to have our police department. Um, they work

810
01:00:58,485 --> 01:01:02,445
very hard. They work very close with everybody, and I know that they care about

811
01:01:02,645 --> 01:01:06,605
the immigrants a lot as well. So, thank you. Great point.

812
01:01:06,805 --> 01:01:10,385
thanks for doing that. And I know, um, all the chiefs are on board, um,

813
01:01:11,385 --> 01:01:15,155
and, and they get the same message we do. I mean, it's, it's,

814
01:01:15,475 --> 01:01:19,405
it's ice that is not policing that we need to worry about. I do want to

815
01:01:19,525 --> 01:01:23,525
note my liaisons and other appointments. Um, jan, uh, june 29th, I attended

816
01:01:23,725 --> 01:01:27,315
a five year anniversary of the petaluma office, immigrant immigration institute

817
01:01:27,985 --> 01:01:31,885
of bay area. I was there five years ago when it opened. And the big change is how

818
01:01:32,085 --> 01:01:36,085
many more lawyers they have doing that civil rights work. They just won a

819
01:01:36,205 --> 01:01:40,155
case in san francisco federal court. An immigrant was arrested during his citizenship

820
01:01:40,845 --> 01:01:44,825
hearing. I mean, when you tell these stories, it's just powerful. Um, on

821
01:01:45,045 --> 01:01:48,755
june 24th, um, I led a, a discussion with the assistant city

822
01:01:49,205 --> 01:01:53,085
manager with los cen, um, our, uh, community, uh, latino community

823
01:01:54,065 --> 01:01:57,445
for, uh, latinx leadership. And they brought together in our council chambers,

824
01:01:58,185 --> 01:02:01,505
uh, quite a few to hear a status of the city. Um,

825
01:02:02,305 --> 01:02:06,175
uh, also attended the a api, uh, coalition in the north bays, uh, event,

826
01:02:06,945 --> 01:02:10,795
uh, with my friend kirk lott here. And, um, and it's

827
01:02:11,085 --> 01:02:14,965
just important that we constantly network and see and be seen with each

828
01:02:15,205 --> 01:02:19,005
other. And that's how we get further. I attended a county

829
01:02:19,355 --> 01:02:23,145
food convening and as a council member now mentioned, federal cuts are

830
01:02:23,365 --> 01:02:27,225
coming, um, this year. And the food is gonna be a crisis as

831
01:02:27,445 --> 01:02:31,445
both snap and calfresh are, are, are gonna be reduced, and that impacts

832
01:02:32,105 --> 01:02:35,975
the poorest. And, um, so the county is trying to step into that space.

833
01:02:37,225 --> 01:02:41,185
um, and I also spoke at the petaluma lodging associations and,

834
01:02:41,465 --> 01:02:45,445
uh, they appreciate hearing more about what the city's economic development programs

835
01:02:46,095 --> 01:02:49,855
could be because as we know, costs are outpacing revenue right

836
01:02:50,205 --> 01:02:54,165
now. Um, I got to, got to mc the

837
01:02:54,325 --> 01:02:58,125
santa rosa symphony here at our library. That was kind of fun. Um, I

838
01:02:58,395 --> 01:03:02,205
also, uh, help with the chamber's leadership graduation class. And then,

839
01:03:02,545 --> 01:03:06,405
um, um, there's just so much going on here. I'm glad to hear

840
01:03:06,865 --> 01:03:10,825
all the praise for the fair this year. And I want to thank the city manager as well as

841
01:03:11,335 --> 01:03:14,725
staff for that. And with that, uh, do you have anything to report tonight?

842
01:03:16,195 --> 01:03:20,005
I'll keep it short, but I wanna recognize our community. We see you, we hear

843
01:03:20,245 --> 01:03:24,125
you, and we stand united with you. And you can hear that from our council. So thank you.

844
01:03:25,145 --> 01:03:28,885
um, also want to, um, announce that this wednesday

845
01:03:29,625 --> 01:03:33,445
at six o'clock here in council chambers, uh, staff will

846
01:03:33,645 --> 01:03:37,645
be holding the howard street improvements community meeting. Um, next year we're

847
01:03:37,965 --> 01:03:41,925
gonna be replacing sewer and water mains upgrading curb ramps and reconstructing the

848
01:03:42,045 --> 01:03:45,785
pavement on howard between a and west. Um, so we are,

849
01:03:46,305 --> 01:03:50,285
um, gonna take this opportunity to, um, improve the safety and accessibility

850
01:03:50,845 --> 01:03:54,145
for all road users on howard. And, um,

851
01:03:54,855 --> 01:03:58,745
we're excited, reengage the community. Hope that you, um, can

852
01:03:58,965 --> 01:04:02,405
either be at the meeting or, um, share your

853
01:04:03,645 --> 01:04:07,525
feedback online. And, um, translation services

854
01:04:07,675 --> 01:04:11,235
will be available upon request. Thank you very much.

855
01:04:13,245 --> 01:04:17,115
thank you. So, uh, now, and let's not break the decorum. Thank you for being

856
01:04:17,315 --> 01:04:21,255
here tonight. We're gonna move into business items if, uh, you wish to, uh,

857
01:04:22,705 --> 01:04:26,515
exit. Thank you.

858
01:05:08,625 --> 01:05:11,435
okay. Um, moving on to the consent calendar for the evening.

859
01:05:12,655 --> 01:05:16,365
um, I take a look at up and down the diets

860
01:05:16,685 --> 01:05:19,965
and see if anyone wishes to pull any item from consent calendar.

861
01:05:21,145 --> 01:05:24,925
and seeing none, we'll move to any questions on the consent calendar,

862
01:05:26,225 --> 01:05:30,205
um, or comments might I say. And, um, I think it

863
01:05:30,365 --> 01:05:34,205
is important to note that we added that future agenda item that, uh, council member

864
01:05:34,495 --> 01:05:38,465
cater thompson. And, and I think we've all heard that's in

865
01:05:38,685 --> 01:05:42,605
the works time, time uncertain, but we're looking forward to it.

866
01:05:44,265 --> 01:05:47,805
uh, question vice mayor. No, that's, did you wanna talk about your,

867
01:05:50,585 --> 01:05:54,145
um, not at this time. Okay. So, um,

868
01:05:54,895 --> 01:05:58,725
let's, uh, open it to public comment and I'll ask the clerk if there was any comments

869
01:05:59,385 --> 01:06:03,165
on the consent calendar. We did not receive any

870
01:06:03,485 --> 01:06:06,725
comments ahead of the meeting. I'll note that there are eight people in the zoom meeting.

871
01:06:07,785 --> 01:06:10,925
uh, and at this time I will start a 32nd clock.

872
01:06:11,825 --> 01:06:15,485
whoops. Oops. Uh, I'll start at 36

873
01:06:15,885 --> 01:06:19,525
o'clock. Members of the public attending in person should bring their speaker card to my,

874
01:06:20,705 --> 01:06:24,405
if they have not already done. So members of the public attending online should

875
01:06:24,725 --> 01:06:28,435
raise their virtual hand, and those attending via phone should press star nine

876
01:06:28,745 --> 01:06:32,605
to raise their hand. Speaker request received after this

877
01:06:32,885 --> 01:06:33,605
time may not be accommodated.

878
01:06:49,435 --> 01:06:53,425
sorry about that. My, I lost my mic. Uh, we didn't receive any cards

879
01:06:53,765 --> 01:06:57,585
and I don't see any raised hands. Okay. Thank you very much. And that

880
01:06:57,965 --> 01:07:01,585
closes public comment on the consent calendar, looking for motion.

881
01:07:02,565 --> 01:07:06,445
I'd like to move items one through six on the consent calendar. Thank you. Motion by

882
01:07:06,665 --> 01:07:08,985
shrives. Second and second by cater thompson.

883
01:07:10,805 --> 01:07:12,105
and with that a roll call, vote please.

884
01:07:15,945 --> 01:07:19,805
barnacle. Aye. Cater thompson? Yes. Di

885
01:07:20,075 --> 01:07:23,925
carly? Yes. Now? Yes. Shrives? Yes.

886
01:07:24,825 --> 01:07:28,825
mcdonald? Yes. Motion cares unanimously. Thank you.

887
01:07:30,205 --> 01:07:34,085
and, um, if you were, uh, here at the beginning of the game, um,

888
01:07:34,525 --> 01:07:38,495
you would've noted that we've moved our workshop, which was listed as the next item,

889
01:07:39,245 --> 01:07:43,145
uh, down in the order. And we are now moving to, um, public hearings

890
01:07:43,545 --> 01:07:47,105
matters for the consideration. A resolution awarding a design build

891
01:07:47,665 --> 01:07:51,525
contract to alton construction for the petaluma public safety project. And

892
01:07:51,765 --> 01:07:55,725
I'd like to in invite george gogan, uh, project manager to,

893
01:07:55,965 --> 01:07:56,545
uh, come on up.

894
01:08:01,175 --> 01:08:02,665
just gimme a second. I'll try to set this up.

895
01:08:07,925 --> 01:08:11,905
and for a project this size, we have the honor of having two chiefs in the room. Thank you for being

896
01:08:12,065 --> 01:08:15,915
here. Wanna

897
01:08:16,265 --> 01:08:17,705
make sure he does it right, .

898
01:08:39,195 --> 01:08:42,685
alright. Uh, good evening, mayor. Council members,

899
01:08:43,265 --> 01:08:47,225
uh, staff and members of the public. Um, tonight we are asking,

900
01:08:47,745 --> 01:08:51,525
my name is paul gagan, um, senior project manager, oma public works.

901
01:08:52,585 --> 01:08:56,085
um, tonight we are requesting that city council adopt the resolution, awarding

902
01:08:56,645 --> 01:09:00,285
the design build contract for the petaluma public safety

903
01:09:00,925 --> 01:09:04,845
facility project to alton construction. Uh, this is a major milestone for

904
01:09:05,045 --> 01:09:08,965
the city. Uh, the project has completed, uh, entitlements received approval of

905
01:09:09,165 --> 01:09:13,125
the design intent, and gone through a competitive, um, design build procurement

906
01:09:13,685 --> 01:09:17,645
process. Tonight's action authorizes the city to enter into an agreement

907
01:09:17,955 --> 01:09:21,525
with alton and move the project into final design and construction.

908
01:09:24,605 --> 01:09:28,185
so, quick project overview that the pro the project is located at the intersection

909
01:09:28,745 --> 01:09:32,745
of kennelworth drive and johnson drive at the fairgrounds. And we'll

910
01:09:32,985 --> 01:09:36,765
bring together a new police headquarters, fire department headquarters, uh,

911
01:09:37,025 --> 01:09:40,965
a new fire station number four, and a dedicated emergency operations center all

912
01:09:41,185 --> 01:09:44,985
in one coordinated public safety campus. Uh, the new police headquarters

913
01:09:45,495 --> 01:09:49,345
will replace the existing police station while fire station four will be an

914
01:09:49,505 --> 01:09:53,065
additional forestation that expands the city's emergency response capacity.

915
01:09:55,205 --> 01:09:59,165
a little history here on how we got here tonight. So this project being several

916
01:09:59,445 --> 01:10:03,035
years in the making and has moved through a series of planning, funding,

917
01:10:03,705 --> 01:10:07,695
design, and public approval milestones. The project began

918
01:10:08,155 --> 01:10:12,065
with measure u in 2020, and the city's commitment to invest in

919
01:10:12,285 --> 01:10:16,105
public safety. That was followed by an operational analysis and

920
01:10:16,325 --> 01:10:19,895
the 2023 public safety facilities master plan, which

921
01:10:20,565 --> 01:10:24,445
identified the need for an additional fire station, significant improvements to the

922
01:10:24,605 --> 01:10:28,465
city's police facilities, and a preferred strategy

923
01:10:28,645 --> 01:10:31,495
of bringing those functions together in a centrally located

924
01:10:32,705 --> 01:10:36,625
consolidated facility. In november, 2023, staff presented

925
01:10:37,145 --> 01:10:40,705
council with a preliminary vision of that project. That version occupied approximately

926
01:10:41,185 --> 01:10:44,985
five acres, uh, included about 73,000 square feet of

927
01:10:45,345 --> 01:10:49,065
building area relied on a phased delivery approach that would not have been completed

928
01:10:49,465 --> 01:10:53,105
until 2035. And it carried a total project cost of approximately

929
01:10:53,705 --> 01:10:57,585
142 million on construction costs of 120 million. Uh, council,

930
01:10:57,935 --> 01:11:01,765
council naturally pushed back and the direction was, uh, staff was

931
01:11:01,985 --> 01:11:05,705
instructed to pursue a more affordable and deliverable project with a better schedule

932
01:11:06,205 --> 01:11:09,785
and a smaller footprint. So, in response, the city knuckle

933
01:11:10,225 --> 01:11:13,485
down through 2024 and 2025. The city shifted

934
01:11:14,345 --> 01:11:17,805
to a design build delivery method, reduced affiliate size by optimizing

935
01:11:18,405 --> 01:11:22,285
shared spaces, simplified the construction approach by utilizing a tilt

936
01:11:22,525 --> 01:11:26,085
up concrete construction and established a target construction cost of approximately

937
01:11:26,615 --> 01:11:30,365
$55 million. In 2024, measure h was

938
01:11:30,765 --> 01:11:34,765
approved, which provided an additional funding source for the project. In 2025,

939
01:11:35,785 --> 01:11:39,405
the city presented the revised project to the planning commission and city council.

940
01:11:40,235 --> 01:11:43,895
that version reduced the site footprint by approximately 1.5 acres.

941
01:11:44,705 --> 01:11:48,565
uh, it reduced the building size by about 42%, and it

942
01:11:48,725 --> 01:11:52,165
brought the construction costs in line with our $55 million target.

943
01:11:53,265 --> 01:11:57,165
and, uh, it established a target completion date of 2028 for the

944
01:11:57,285 --> 01:12:00,805
entire facility. Uh, the city then completed the basis of design

945
01:12:02,085 --> 01:12:06,035
detailed programming, environmental review, and the entitlement process. Earlier this

946
01:12:06,325 --> 01:12:10,245
year, council approved the financing strategy and the city completed a

947
01:12:10,365 --> 01:12:14,365
competitive design build procurement process. So tonight's contract award is the

948
01:12:14,485 --> 01:12:18,285
next major step in this timeline. If approved, the project will move into

949
01:12:18,525 --> 01:12:22,485
a final design, permitting and construction with occupancy targeted for mid 2028.

950
01:12:26,365 --> 01:12:30,255
I'll just quickly, um, talk about design build here. 'cause this

951
01:12:30,375 --> 01:12:33,695
is not how we typically deliver projects in the city. Uh, we usually go to design,

952
01:12:34,515 --> 01:12:37,775
bid, build, or redesign it, then we put it out to build, to bid, and then it gets built.

953
01:12:38,755 --> 01:12:42,485
uh, this project is, is slightly different. So I'll just quickly explain. Uh, every project goes

954
01:12:42,775 --> 01:12:46,295
through a life cycle of, um, sd drawings, which is schematic design.

955
01:12:46,965 --> 01:12:50,695
then you have design development, which is the engineering, to get that schematic design

956
01:12:51,045 --> 01:12:54,975
into reality. Then you have your cd phase, which is your construction documentation, where

957
01:12:55,215 --> 01:12:59,135
you submit through, um, building and you get your permits to build. So the city's already

958
01:12:59,375 --> 01:13:03,175
completed the schematic design and portions of early design development. On this project,

959
01:13:04,145 --> 01:13:08,075
we've defined what the facility will look like, how it will function, how it's laid out,

960
01:13:08,635 --> 01:13:12,305
and the materials and performance standards that we expect. Those

961
01:13:12,655 --> 01:13:16,575
requirements are captured in what's called bridging documents. So alti is not starting

962
01:13:16,685 --> 01:13:20,535
over. Its team will take the approved vision and complete the detailed

963
01:13:21,015 --> 01:13:24,975
engineering permitting and construction documents needed to build it. The benefit

964
01:13:25,235 --> 01:13:29,095
of this design build is that the designer and the contractor work together under one contract,

965
01:13:29,355 --> 01:13:33,235
giving the city a single point of responsibility for completing the rest of

966
01:13:33,455 --> 01:13:37,355
the project. Um, so for

967
01:13:37,575 --> 01:13:41,535
the procurement method of design build being slightly different, the city used a two step

968
01:13:41,845 --> 01:13:45,435
competitive procurement process. First, we issued a request for

969
01:13:45,895 --> 01:13:49,855
qualifications to identify design build teams with the experience, financial

970
01:13:50,655 --> 01:13:54,535
capacity and safety record and technical expertise necessary to deliver

971
01:13:54,895 --> 01:13:58,815
a project of this size and complexity. The qualify teams

972
01:13:59,195 --> 01:14:03,125
were then invited to respond to a request for proposals based on the

973
01:14:03,245 --> 01:14:07,085
city's bridging documents and contract terms. Three proposals were

974
01:14:07,445 --> 01:14:11,125
received and publicly opened all in construction. In partnership with pbk

975
01:14:11,565 --> 01:14:15,115
architects submitted the lowest responsive responsible bid amongst

976
01:14:15,665 --> 01:14:19,645
the approved design build entities. Staff reviewed alton's proposal,

977
01:14:19,795 --> 01:14:23,585
confirmed its responsiveness and qualifications, and received no

978
01:14:23,945 --> 01:14:24,285
bid protests.

979
01:14:28,425 --> 01:14:32,165
so therefore, for those reasons, staff recommends that council adopt the

980
01:14:32,525 --> 01:14:35,845
resolution, awarding the design build contract to alter construction in the amount of $51,573,911,

981
01:14:40,545 --> 01:14:44,405
and authorize the city manager to execute the agreement. Uh, two things about

982
01:14:44,645 --> 01:14:48,645
this number. You might notice it is slightly more than what was shown on the previous

983
01:14:48,835 --> 01:14:52,705
page. Um, that's because, um, we, uh, we

984
01:14:53,015 --> 01:14:56,885
based the award off of the base bid. Um, this number includes add alternates.

985
01:14:57,785 --> 01:15:01,645
uh, essentially if we didn't, if this came in over our budget, we were willing to make some cuts to

986
01:15:01,845 --> 01:15:05,765
get it back on their budget. But, um, the other thing about the number you may have noticed

987
01:15:05,885 --> 01:15:09,765
is it's below the 55 million threshold. So we have plenty of room and bandwidth to add

988
01:15:09,965 --> 01:15:13,725
back those, uh, those items. Uh, they include additional ballistic protection,

989
01:15:14,665 --> 01:15:18,525
um, some day lighting devices to allow, uh, natural light into the heart of the

990
01:15:18,845 --> 01:15:22,725
facility for wellbeing. And, um, it's kind of a fancy fire protection system to protect

991
01:15:23,105 --> 01:15:26,685
all our data and servers and things like that in the event of a fire so you don't get destroyed,

992
01:15:27,665 --> 01:15:31,265
uh, with water. Um, so that's, that's the method

993
01:15:31,685 --> 01:15:35,605
behind the procurement and the numbers. And, uh, just before I, I close out here,

994
01:15:35,905 --> 01:15:39,865
uh, this was a, a huge effort. I came in here in 2024 and

995
01:15:40,085 --> 01:15:43,925
I've had the pleasure of working with so many fantastic staff and people across the

996
01:15:44,245 --> 01:15:48,125
board. So I just want to sh a big thank you to our police and fire departments, uh, public

997
01:15:48,475 --> 01:15:52,245
work staff who assisted me every day through this, uh, our planning department,

998
01:15:52,765 --> 01:15:55,925
andrew triple was fantastic with mike janick and this through all our entitlements,

999
01:15:56,785 --> 01:16:00,685
uh, our finance team, our legal team, uh, we had to pretty much rewrite the

1000
01:16:00,805 --> 01:16:04,805
entire contract, which was, you know, no easy ordeal. So me and dylan had plenty

1001
01:16:05,005 --> 01:16:09,005
of early mornings working together, uh, going through that. Uh, also wanna

1002
01:16:09,165 --> 01:16:13,085
thank our city manager's office, uh, all our consultant teams, uh, our planning commission,

1003
01:16:13,515 --> 01:16:17,505
city council for the guidance and direction on the design and the members of the public who, uh,

1004
01:16:17,725 --> 01:16:21,685
brought the project to this point and made it possible. So, tonight's action

1005
01:16:23,045 --> 01:16:26,965
just before I close, tonight's action is significant. It moves the city from planning, talking

1006
01:16:27,465 --> 01:16:31,175
about dreaming, hoping, wishing we had a public safety facility to actually delivering

1007
01:16:31,655 --> 01:16:35,575
one in about 12 months time. It's gonna look very different out there to fairgrounds. You're gonna see

1008
01:16:36,145 --> 01:16:39,615
walls stood up a roof going on this building, and in basically

1009
01:16:40,235 --> 01:16:44,175
two years from today, we should be having a ribbon cutting. So it's, uh, it's a pretty exciting time.

1010
01:16:44,515 --> 01:16:48,495
so, uh, I'll be here to answer any questions that come up. And, uh, I have these two great

1011
01:16:48,735 --> 01:16:52,495
general members beside me as well. And I'm sure you guys will, will help out where I needed. So thank you.

1012
01:16:53,665 --> 01:16:57,485
thank you very much. Great presentation, generational project. It's

1013
01:16:58,175 --> 01:17:01,895
a fun one to have under our belts. Chiefs, anything to add at this point?

1014
01:17:02,985 --> 01:17:05,895
thank you. Um, counsel, any questions?

1015
01:17:08,035 --> 01:17:10,445
um, see none. Let's go to, uh, public comment.

1016
01:17:12,425 --> 01:17:16,275
we have not received any comments ahead of the meeting on this item. We do have eight attendees

1017
01:17:16,885 --> 01:17:20,285
online, uh, at this time. I'll start a 32nd clock.

1018
01:17:21,905 --> 01:17:25,885
during these 30 seconds, members of the public attending in person should bring their speaker cards to

1019
01:17:26,085 --> 01:17:29,605
my desk. Members of the public attending online should raise their virtual

1020
01:17:30,195 --> 01:17:34,045
hand. Those attending, uh, via phone should press star nine to raise their

1021
01:17:34,205 --> 01:17:36,845
hand. Speaker request received after this time may not be accommodated.

1022
01:17:56,555 --> 01:18:00,515
so, um, following our, uh, practice, I will ask, uh, the clerk any

1023
01:18:00,735 --> 01:18:04,655
hands up? No hands up. Just one card. Thank you. So our speaker

1024
01:18:04,895 --> 01:18:08,705
tonight, mac thompson. Um, it, it's yours for three

1025
01:18:09,055 --> 01:18:13,055
minutes, . All right. Thank you. It's really nice to see you

1026
01:18:13,215 --> 01:18:16,895
all. Nice to be here tonight. And, uh, uh, my name's mac

1027
01:18:17,295 --> 01:18:20,775
thompson. I'm the union president for the petaluma firefighters, uh, local

1028
01:18:21,335 --> 01:18:24,955
1415. I've been a employee here in petaluma firefighter for

1029
01:18:25,455 --> 01:18:29,015
19 years. Uh, and actually my first month

1030
01:18:29,495 --> 01:18:33,205
of working here, uh, I was asked to paint, uh, shovels gold,

1031
01:18:33,835 --> 01:18:36,985
uh, to break ground for the casa grande hotel

1032
01:18:37,885 --> 01:18:41,835
site. And, uh, and that was exciting. Um, we

1033
01:18:42,055 --> 01:18:45,795
had a plot of land and that was also a dream. Uh, but right now

1034
01:18:46,275 --> 01:18:50,175
we have all done the work. And, and, and I'm here

1035
01:18:50,335 --> 01:18:54,115
tonight to really acknowledge how much work has been put into this, uh,

1036
01:18:54,435 --> 01:18:57,515
and how much pride I see from all of us, um,

1037
01:18:58,715 --> 01:19:02,055
uh, in, in getting to where we are today. I know we still have a lot of work to do,

1038
01:19:02,835 --> 01:19:06,735
uh, and, and, and excited about that work to come.

1039
01:19:07,515 --> 01:19:10,985
uh, but really acknowledging the incredible leadership of the city manager flynn

1040
01:19:11,595 --> 01:19:14,935
and the assistant city manager, cochran, uh, the entire city council

1041
01:19:15,675 --> 01:19:19,615
and city staff, and all of the layers of community involvement

1042
01:19:20,175 --> 01:19:23,895
with the planning commission and different, different community members involved.

1043
01:19:24,795 --> 01:19:28,695
uh, but also the incredible leadership of chief shock and chief miller.

1044
01:19:29,595 --> 01:19:33,355
um, and, uh, my fellow, uh, firefighters and, uh,

1045
01:19:33,755 --> 01:19:37,455
police officers and, and, and, uh, public safety that are here to serve.

1046
01:19:37,875 --> 01:19:41,835
uh, the amount of work that goes into this is, is incredible and takes all

1047
01:19:42,055 --> 01:19:45,935
of us. And, and in talking to all of you about this project, I know

1048
01:19:47,205 --> 01:19:51,115
that there's a pride in this, but it also is personal and something that we

1049
01:19:51,335 --> 01:19:55,295
all take. We all look at it as something that we really care about. And that

1050
01:19:55,675 --> 01:19:59,395
is, uh, that is unique. I think that being, uh,

1051
01:20:01,415 --> 01:20:05,315
a labor leader in this community, knowing that we

1052
01:20:05,535 --> 01:20:09,125
are able to support this city and to feel supported by this council

1053
01:20:09,545 --> 01:20:13,425
and by the, the leadership of this city, uh, is an incredible feeling. And

1054
01:20:13,645 --> 01:20:17,365
it's really exciting. So I just wanted to come here to acknowledge all of the teamwork

1055
01:20:17,745 --> 01:20:21,725
and, uh, really acknowledge how far we've come and, uh, and look

1056
01:20:21,885 --> 01:20:25,785
at the horizon. And, and, and thank you all for, for, for all of your work. So

1057
01:20:26,015 --> 01:20:29,845
thank you. And thank you. And with that, that

1058
01:20:30,085 --> 01:20:33,885
closes, um, public comment on the item, bring it back to council. Any comments? Council

1059
01:20:34,285 --> 01:20:38,125
member now? Um, well a little deja vu because I was there

1060
01:20:38,325 --> 01:20:42,225
20 years ago when those gold shovels were being painted. And, um,

1061
01:20:43,125 --> 01:20:46,805
I wasn't a hundred percent supportive of that project because I wanted

1062
01:20:47,205 --> 01:20:51,165
a new police station and I wanted a fire station. And I knew

1063
01:20:51,405 --> 01:20:55,205
we had a location perfect for it on that corner of the fairgrounds

1064
01:20:55,795 --> 01:20:59,555
parking lot. So do we have a, a groundbreaking, uh, ceremony date

1065
01:21:00,305 --> 01:21:04,045
chiefs? I, I'm ready for that gold shovel again

1066
01:21:04,365 --> 01:21:07,545
after the staff schedule. , we gotta get through this. Anyway.

1067
01:21:09,045 --> 01:21:13,005
I have to, I'm excited to see the, the plaque with all of your names on it, on the side of the

1068
01:21:13,085 --> 01:21:16,625
door. Well, you have to get reelected . Um,

1069
01:21:17,105 --> 01:21:20,835
anyway, thank you to staff for doing this because this is, I've

1070
01:21:21,125 --> 01:21:25,085
been advocating for this for before I ran for council 20 years

1071
01:21:25,465 --> 01:21:29,425
ago, so thank you so much. And it's gonna be so important to

1072
01:21:29,745 --> 01:21:33,245
our, um, community going forward

1073
01:21:33,865 --> 01:21:37,125
and for generations. So thank you council memberships.

1074
01:21:38,745 --> 01:21:42,645
uh, yeah, this is a true milestone and so if that, I'd like to just

1075
01:21:42,765 --> 01:21:46,565
move the item. Let's move forward. Okay. Uh, note motion

1076
01:21:46,945 --> 01:21:50,485
by strips, uh, council member barnicle. I'll, I'll second the motion.

1077
01:21:50,965 --> 01:21:54,745
I also just wanna say, um, september 29th, 2007, 608,

1078
01:21:56,745 --> 01:22:00,645
6,854 days ago. That was when we broke ground on the last,

1079
01:22:01,265 --> 01:22:05,085
uh, attempt at this. So, um, you are right, it is very personal. It's the stuff we

1080
01:22:05,285 --> 01:22:09,285
don't wanna let continue to get kicked down the road. Um, I also just wanna note

1081
01:22:09,555 --> 01:22:13,545
that a few things that we did on this, there were so many people that came together to

1082
01:22:13,855 --> 01:22:17,805
focus on doing something big. And that's what happens when we're all one team

1083
01:22:18,105 --> 01:22:22,025
as a city. And I, um, I just really, uh, respect the

1084
01:22:22,245 --> 01:22:26,125
city manager's office, the city attorney's office, all of the, the leaders, the labor

1085
01:22:26,285 --> 01:22:30,285
leaders, the chiefs, everybody who, everybody who's come together to support this project.

1086
01:22:30,725 --> 01:22:34,725
'cause it really is a full team effort. Um, and then the other thing is, is we had to do

1087
01:22:35,005 --> 01:22:38,585
something differently to get it done right? We moved to a design build contract. And,

1088
01:22:39,105 --> 01:22:42,885
um, I just think as a city, we have to not be so set in our ways of like, what's

1089
01:22:43,205 --> 01:22:46,645
the municipal code say? And what does our charter say? And think about ways that we can bucket sometimes

1090
01:22:47,625 --> 01:22:51,525
to get something done. Um, because that's ultimately why we're elected. That's what,

1091
01:22:51,745 --> 01:22:55,205
um, why we all want to work in, in public services to get s**t done.

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um, and so I just appreciate that we, um, that we did that, that we thought outside

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01:23:00,045 --> 01:23:04,045
the box and now we're moving forward with what is truly a generational project.

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01:23:04,865 --> 01:23:08,765
um, and I would be remiss to not say with all these folks here is that

1095
01:23:08,925 --> 01:23:12,765
we gotta focus on revenue. Um, 'cause this stuff all costs money and we just need to

1096
01:23:13,085 --> 01:23:16,885
continue to, um, increase our property tax base, grow our sales

1097
01:23:17,145 --> 01:23:21,105
tax base, grow, all the, the different ways that we fund all this, um, important work. Um,

1098
01:23:21,645 --> 01:23:25,545
'cause our city's, um, this is gonna be here to, to support our city, you

1099
01:23:25,765 --> 01:23:29,585
know, 50, a hundred years out. And, um, that's gonna require revenue. So

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01:23:29,805 --> 01:23:33,405
thank you council member cater thompson.

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01:23:34,065 --> 01:23:37,965
um, I don't really have anything to add except I hope those, um, shovels are

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01:23:38,125 --> 01:23:41,805
ready, . And, um, that's it. I mean, this

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01:23:42,205 --> 01:23:45,925
is great. I mean, this has been, I mean, for me, I've always wanted it at the fairgrounds and it's

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01:23:46,325 --> 01:23:50,325
probably been two plus decades and I'm gonna be alive to see it

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01:23:50,485 --> 01:23:54,105
happen. And so, you know, when you start gauging things by your age, um,

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01:23:54,675 --> 01:23:58,595
it's kind of exciting to see how things actually come about. You might have

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01:23:58,925 --> 01:24:02,925
a vision, um, and it could be on any project and it just takes

1108
01:24:03,205 --> 01:24:07,205
a lot of time. And this is coming at the perfect time, um, with everything that

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01:24:07,325 --> 01:24:11,145
we're doing at the fairgrounds. It's centrally located and I think, uh,

1110
01:24:11,365 --> 01:24:15,285
we have the community support on this. Thank you. Certainly the council support. I, I

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01:24:15,405 --> 01:24:19,325
hope vice mayor. Uh, just

1112
01:24:19,685 --> 01:24:23,645
a quick question for mac. I'm just wondering how the gold paint held up on those shovels, if we can reuse

1113
01:24:23,845 --> 01:24:27,485
them , but, um, you know, otherwise though, I, you know, we,

1114
01:24:27,865 --> 01:24:31,645
we want to give police and fire the best that we can. And so looking forward to that. Thank

1115
01:24:31,965 --> 01:24:35,965
you. And, um, uh, I just want to note to paul, I mean, thanks

1116
01:24:36,165 --> 01:24:39,845
for, uh, being the point man on this. And I know that success comes from following

1117
01:24:40,245 --> 01:24:44,165
the schedule. The staff report says spring, I heard mid 2 28. Tonight.

1118
01:24:44,785 --> 01:24:48,445
I'm thinking if we stay on schedule, we stay on budget and we get it built.

1119
01:24:48,945 --> 01:24:52,805
and now we're all, um, excited for get it built part. So with

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that, uh, we have a motion and a second from strips and barnacle

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01:24:57,105 --> 01:25:01,065
and like a roll call. Vote barnacle. Aye.

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01:25:02,015 --> 01:25:05,985
cater thompson. Yes. To carly? Yes. Now, yes.

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01:25:06,585 --> 01:25:09,925
sch shrimps. Yes. Mcdonald. Yes. Motion carries unanimously.

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01:25:10,775 --> 01:25:11,125
thank you.

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01:25:41,115 --> 01:25:45,045
okay, moving on. Our next order of business is resolutions, ordering abatement of

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01:25:45,485 --> 01:25:49,465
nuisances consisting of hazardous vegetation, rubbish growing on

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01:25:49,685 --> 01:25:53,355
public and private property, and ordering the fire department to abate such

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01:25:53,715 --> 01:25:57,225
hazardous vegetation and rubbish and helping us,

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helping us with this. Today is amy c sge,

1130
01:26:02,245 --> 01:26:06,085
sge sigge sge. Tough. Thank you very much. It's a tough one for being here. You're our fire marshal

1131
01:26:06,905 --> 01:26:10,485
and uh, this floor is yours. Thank you very much. Well, it's a tough act to follow.

1132
01:26:11,225 --> 01:26:14,855
um, but good evening mayor, vice mayor, council, city manager and staff,

1133
01:26:15,825 --> 01:26:19,315
as well as our community before you. Tonight is our second hazardous

1134
01:26:19,925 --> 01:26:23,525
vegetation abatement hearing for the 2026 season. This hearing covers

1135
01:26:24,075 --> 01:26:28,005
just two additional properties identified after our initial hearing that continued

1136
01:26:28,525 --> 01:26:32,165
to present a wildfire risk. Staff has completed all noticing requirements

1137
01:26:32,945 --> 01:26:36,525
and provided the property owners multiple opportunities to voluntarily abate the hazard.

1138
01:26:37,345 --> 01:26:41,285
we are requesting adoption of the resolution authorizing the city to proceed with

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01:26:41,445 --> 01:26:45,285
abatement only if the properties remain out of compliance after the established deadline.

1140
01:26:45,745 --> 01:26:49,565
and I'd be hap happy to answer any questions you have. Thank you very

1141
01:26:49,765 --> 01:26:53,705
much. Any questions? Council member schibs? Yeah, in

1142
01:26:53,925 --> 01:26:57,845
the, in the report, it seemed like there was a, a possible suggestion that is it really worth

1143
01:26:58,405 --> 01:27:02,075
doing this whole process? Uh, because there's only two properties that really need abatement

1144
01:27:03,105 --> 01:27:07,005
and that the cost of doing those two is less than the actual cost

1145
01:27:07,245 --> 01:27:11,245
of the program. So, um, there's a benefit cost ratio here that was

1146
01:27:11,365 --> 01:27:15,305
implied as maybe worthwhile or not. But I see this as a, um,

1147
01:27:16,125 --> 01:27:19,125
a possible, um, good thing, uh, that it's working.

1148
01:27:20,325 --> 01:27:24,325
'cause it being, it's working, people are complying. So I just wanted to just bring that up, that,

1149
01:27:24,525 --> 01:27:28,285
that it is such a good program that, um, it's been very cost effective

1150
01:27:28,685 --> 01:27:32,405
and that was only a couple properties available. Is there any comments you'd like to make

1151
01:27:32,825 --> 01:27:36,585
on, um, how that program, how you feel the program is working and,

1152
01:27:37,065 --> 01:27:40,795
uh, is it worth continuing this effort? So I'd just like to hear you, uh, talk

1153
01:27:41,085 --> 01:27:44,525
about it a little bit. Sure. Um, it is a very laborious process

1154
01:27:45,185 --> 01:27:49,045
for fire prevention staff, um, to, we have, you know,

1155
01:27:49,265 --> 01:27:52,795
as, as you're aware, our initial list is quite lengthy. There are a lot of parcels

1156
01:27:53,285 --> 01:27:56,715
that have been identified over the years as, um, regularly

1157
01:27:57,385 --> 01:28:00,405
out of compliance with our weed abatement and our hazardous vegetation program.

1158
01:28:01,705 --> 01:28:05,485
um, that being said, uh, it's an important step that

1159
01:28:05,725 --> 01:28:09,325
we take. Um, as we all know, the risk of wildfire in our community

1160
01:28:09,805 --> 01:28:13,805
is real and present and only seeming to get worse, um, every year.

1161
01:28:14,745 --> 01:28:18,475
and so it's, we've taken additional steps this year, including

1162
01:28:19,435 --> 01:28:23,415
more staff time, um, making personal calls to every

1163
01:28:23,765 --> 01:28:27,765
single property that, um, was being considered to be sent for

1164
01:28:27,965 --> 01:28:31,645
city abatement, which resulted in a lot of a additional voluntary compliance.

1165
01:28:32,185 --> 01:28:36,125
and so that's a, a, a plan that will continue. I'm proud that we

1166
01:28:36,245 --> 01:28:40,145
only have nine properties we've sent to city abatement thus far this year, um,

1167
01:28:40,375 --> 01:28:44,345
which is greatly reduced from years past. And so, um, our,

1168
01:28:44,625 --> 01:28:47,995
our program is working, our community is becoming more and more aware of the risk.

1169
01:28:48,685 --> 01:28:52,555
I think, um, there is, with the amount of reports that

1170
01:28:52,845 --> 01:28:56,705
we get from concerned residents and citizens, um, asking

1171
01:28:57,185 --> 01:29:01,065
us to look at this property or that property for abatement, I think the concern is

1172
01:29:01,285 --> 01:29:04,005
high and it's important that we respond to those concerns.

1173
01:29:05,835 --> 01:29:09,805
good. Thank you. And the next one, uh, question would be, um, compared to, 'cause you also

1174
01:29:10,005 --> 01:29:13,665
inspect buildings as well as open areas. So, um,

1175
01:29:14,175 --> 01:29:17,525
how's that compare, uh, looking at buildings and the amount of effort to put there

1176
01:29:18,265 --> 01:29:21,905
and the amount of safety that that generates versus from wildfires? So,

1177
01:29:22,345 --> 01:29:26,035
um, can you do a comparison between the tomb at all in in cost time

1178
01:29:26,655 --> 01:29:30,225
value, or an increase in safety? Sure. We,

1179
01:29:30,745 --> 01:29:34,405
our fire inspectors do mostly building inspections

1180
01:29:35,065 --> 01:29:38,975
all year round for general fire knife safety as well as our coupa

1181
01:29:39,325 --> 01:29:43,245
hazardous materials, safety and compliance. Um, that's most of

1182
01:29:43,445 --> 01:29:47,025
what we do. Our weed abatement focus really ramps up in

1183
01:29:47,585 --> 01:29:51,475
may, june, july, um, and continuing through those hotter months. So it's

1184
01:29:51,885 --> 01:29:55,875
a more concentrated effort, uh, where we truly look

1185
01:29:56,325 --> 01:30:00,055
at vacant parcels, um, under a, a stricter lens that don't

1186
01:30:00,405 --> 01:30:03,805
contain buildings. Most of what we do is, is focused on building inspections

1187
01:30:04,485 --> 01:30:08,395
throughout the year. So this is a concentrated effort during, you know, the, the high

1188
01:30:09,515 --> 01:30:13,405
high fire season, which we know is continuing, continuing to expand to more

1189
01:30:13,565 --> 01:30:17,295
of a year long issue. But during those hot summer months when the rains

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01:30:17,645 --> 01:30:21,605
have ceased and we're starting to get those tall high grasses, that's really where we

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01:30:21,765 --> 01:30:25,765
need to look at, especially where our wild land urban interface interacts with the edges of our community

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01:30:26,545 --> 01:30:30,405
and where fire might take hold and spread if we were to have a wildfire threat in

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01:30:30,565 --> 01:30:34,525
our borders. So it's, as far as the, the effort,

1194
01:30:34,845 --> 01:30:38,775
that's kind of what I'd say it's, it's more of a month, a shorter month

1195
01:30:39,175 --> 01:30:43,075
focus for our weed abatement program versus our annual fire

1196
01:30:43,605 --> 01:30:47,485
building inspections. Good. And then to save any time and money is, uh, any worthwhile

1197
01:30:47,845 --> 01:30:51,705
properties we could take off the list instead of keeping 'em on the list? Yes, we

1198
01:30:51,995 --> 01:30:55,865
have been taking buildings off of, or parcels off of the list, um,

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01:30:56,085 --> 01:31:00,045
especially folks who reach out to us and, and say, hey, I've been doing a

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01:31:00,165 --> 01:31:04,045
really good job with my property, come and take a look at it this year. If, if they have been

1201
01:31:04,925 --> 01:31:08,765
compliant, um, we will remove them from the list. So we don't wanna just see it continuing to

1202
01:31:08,985 --> 01:31:12,885
expand. We, we do wanna take properties off, especially we've had properties,

1203
01:31:13,625 --> 01:31:17,585
uh, parcels on the list that have since been developed. It no longer really applies to

1204
01:31:18,005 --> 01:31:21,805
a highly concentrated residential area. Um, there are certain cases where

1205
01:31:22,085 --> 01:31:25,845
that's true and we work with code enforcement on those, but, um, we are trying to shorten that list.

1206
01:31:26,105 --> 01:31:30,075
it has gotten quite long. . Thank

1207
01:31:30,545 --> 01:31:34,505
you. Other questions? No other questions. Let's go to, uh, general public

1208
01:31:34,925 --> 01:31:36,185
or to public comment on the item.

1209
01:31:39,325 --> 01:31:43,145
uh, we did not receive any comments ahead of the meeting and we have seven

1210
01:31:43,425 --> 01:31:46,865
attendees on zoom at this time. I will start a 32nd clock

1211
01:31:47,725 --> 01:31:51,705
during these 30 seconds. Members of the public attending in person should bring their speaker

1212
01:31:51,955 --> 01:31:55,825
cards to the clerk's desk. Members of the public attending online should raise their

1213
01:31:56,025 --> 01:31:59,965
virtual hand and those attending via phone should press star nine to raise

1214
01:32:00,125 --> 01:32:03,525
their hand. Speaker request received after this time may not be accommodated

1215
01:32:10,805 --> 01:32:13,945
and we do not have any hands raised and I have not received any cards.

1216
01:32:14,975 --> 01:32:18,905
okay, then, uh, that closes public comment on the

1217
01:32:19,065 --> 01:32:22,625
item and back up the council and council member shrives,

1218
01:32:23,285 --> 01:32:26,965
I'd like to move the item second. Second. We have a second from, uh,

1219
01:32:27,355 --> 01:32:31,265
gator thompson. And a motion from shrives and a roll call vote

1220
01:32:31,465 --> 01:32:35,185
please. Barnacle. Aye. Cator thompson?

1221
01:32:35,645 --> 01:32:39,565
yes. Yes. Di carly? Yes. Now

1222
01:32:40,205 --> 01:32:43,985
yes. Trips? Yes. Mcdonald? Yes. And motion.

1223
01:32:45,555 --> 01:32:49,265
thank you very much for being here tonight. The motion passed. Thank you.

1224
01:32:51,085 --> 01:32:54,905
um, our next item is, uh, resolutions confirming the annual engineer's

1225
01:32:55,425 --> 01:32:58,825
report and ordering the levy and collection of assessments

1226
01:33:00,325 --> 01:33:04,125
within the city landscape assessment districts for the year 26 27.

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and to help us with that, we have deanna bradford, our senior management analyst list.

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01:35:03,735 --> 01:35:07,565
well, there is nothing better than a room full of people waiting for you to get something online.

1229
01:35:08,825 --> 01:35:08,825
,

1230
01:35:13,245 --> 01:35:15,105
should we start? We have, yes, please.

1231
01:35:58,775 --> 01:36:02,435
all right, here we go. Good evening, mayor, council members

1232
01:36:03,055 --> 01:36:06,635
and community. Tonight we are providing an update on the city's landscape

1233
01:36:07,155 --> 01:36:11,125
assessment districts or leds. Leds are one of those local

1234
01:36:11,475 --> 01:36:15,155
government topics that sounds simple at first. Landscaping,

1235
01:36:15,665 --> 01:36:19,105
maintenance, neighborhood improvements, and then very quickly becomes

1236
01:36:19,735 --> 01:36:23,355
parcel boundaries. Assessment rates, service levels, fund balances, and enough spreadsheets

1237
01:36:23,995 --> 01:36:27,275
to make even a committed excel user reconsider their life choices.

1238
01:36:28,375 --> 01:36:32,155
but at the core, this work is about something very visible and very important,

1239
01:36:33,675 --> 01:36:37,275
maintaining the shared landscapes that help shape the character of petaluma neighborhoods.

1240
01:36:38,245 --> 01:36:41,755
these districts help fund landscaping trees, pathways,

1241
01:36:42,345 --> 01:36:46,245
medians, irrigation systems, and other common areas, residency every

1242
01:36:46,655 --> 01:36:50,025
day when maintained well. They support neighborhood pride, walkability,

1243
01:36:51,165 --> 01:36:55,035
shade, beautification, and the sense that our public spaces are being cared

1244
01:36:55,375 --> 01:36:59,115
for. This

1245
01:36:59,405 --> 01:37:03,365
slide outlines the four main reasons we are here tonight. First, this is

1246
01:37:03,525 --> 01:37:07,445
the final step in the annual lad process. Each year, the city

1247
01:37:07,645 --> 01:37:11,565
council reviews, the district's confirms assessments and completes the required

1248
01:37:11,965 --> 01:37:15,765
steps to continue maintenance services. Second, we are sharing

1249
01:37:16,045 --> 01:37:19,965
what we learned through community outreach. Staff worked hard to reach property

1250
01:37:20,125 --> 01:37:23,935
owners in several ways. And while we remain hopeful that someday every

1251
01:37:24,285 --> 01:37:28,285
public notice will be read immediately and with great enthusiasm we learned,

1252
01:37:28,665 --> 01:37:32,495
it helps to provide information in multiple formats. Third

1253
01:37:32,945 --> 01:37:36,805
fiscal year 27 represents a reset moment for the lad program.

1254
01:37:37,625 --> 01:37:41,485
the city has paid off the current program deficit associated with these districts,

1255
01:37:41,765 --> 01:37:45,685
which allows us to reset the financial baseline and focus more clearly on current

1256
01:37:46,325 --> 01:37:50,205
services, current costs, and what e district can realistically support.

1257
01:37:51,385 --> 01:37:55,125
lastly, we will discuss what comes next, a new petition based

1258
01:37:55,445 --> 01:37:59,445
pathway to higher service levels that puts our community members in the driver's

1259
01:37:59,965 --> 01:38:03,925
seat forward thinking, irrigation improvements, opportunities to work with

1260
01:38:04,125 --> 01:38:07,845
our nonprofit partners and continue to asset documentation to prepare

1261
01:38:08,265 --> 01:38:11,925
for a comprehensive capital assessment. So tonight is both a closeout

1262
01:38:12,405 --> 01:38:14,095
point and a starting point.

1263
01:38:17,915 --> 01:38:21,805
over late 2025 and early 2026, staff conducted a

1264
01:38:21,925 --> 01:38:25,905
comprehensive outreach campaign to 1,121. Parcel owners

1265
01:38:27,285 --> 01:38:30,435
outreach included district web pages, faqs, postcards,

1266
01:38:31,315 --> 01:38:35,165
door hangers, webinars, youtube videos, emails, council presentations,

1267
01:38:36,065 --> 01:38:39,845
and surveys. The goal was to provide multiple ways for property owners

1268
01:38:40,225 --> 01:38:44,025
to learn about landscape assessment districts, how they're funded, the

1269
01:38:44,405 --> 01:38:47,025
services they provide, and why the city is discussing them. Now,

1270
01:38:48,485 --> 01:38:51,445
participation was admittedly limited across the 1,121

1271
01:38:53,195 --> 01:38:56,965
parcels. There were 83 webinar attendees, 73 survey

1272
01:38:57,725 --> 01:39:01,605
responses, and 202 youtube views. These results show that

1273
01:39:01,765 --> 01:39:05,565
while the city successfully reached many residents, not every property owner

1274
01:39:05,805 --> 01:39:09,425
chose to participate. We did find that this was a common outcome for

1275
01:39:09,965 --> 01:39:13,755
technical topics such as assessment districts. The outreach also

1276
01:39:14,045 --> 01:39:17,845
confirmed that district priorities vary. Some neighborhoods support higher service

1277
01:39:18,165 --> 01:39:21,985
levels and are willing to consider increased assessments while others prefer

1278
01:39:22,405 --> 01:39:26,365
to maintain current service levels and avoid additional costs. Based on this

1279
01:39:26,925 --> 01:39:30,565
feedback, staff refined the program to focus on a petition based pathway.

1280
01:39:31,845 --> 01:39:35,565
districts with demonstrated property owner interests can pursue higher service levels through

1281
01:39:35,965 --> 01:39:39,645
the proposition two 18 process. While districts without clear support

1282
01:39:40,185 --> 01:39:43,965
are not required to do so, this approach creates a path for improvement

1283
01:39:44,485 --> 01:39:48,365
that is driven by property owner interest rather than imposed citywide.

1284
01:39:52,695 --> 01:39:56,105
this slide groups the districts into three categories based on anticipated

1285
01:39:56,785 --> 01:40:00,725
service reductions highest, high and moderate. The key

1286
01:40:01,145 --> 01:40:04,985
takeaway is that the districts are not all in the same financial position. Some face

1287
01:40:05,265 --> 01:40:08,985
immediate challenges because maintenance costs are outpacing available revenue

1288
01:40:09,755 --> 01:40:13,725
while others remain more stable, but require ongoing monitoring. The

1289
01:40:13,945 --> 01:40:17,805
highest risk districts have the largest funding gaps, and in most cases, no

1290
01:40:18,025 --> 01:40:21,905
annual inflator to keep pace with rising costs. These districts

1291
01:40:22,145 --> 01:40:25,705
are expected to see significant service reductions in fiscal year 27.

1292
01:40:27,005 --> 01:40:30,415
the high and moderate risk districts generally have annual inflators,

1293
01:40:31,165 --> 01:40:35,065
but those increases are not keeping pace with actual costs. While service

1294
01:40:35,705 --> 01:40:38,875
reductions are expected to be less severe, they're likely still noticeable.

1295
01:40:40,175 --> 01:40:44,145
this risk-based approach helps staff prioritize resources where financial concerns

1296
01:40:44,625 --> 01:40:47,985
are greatest while planning proactively for districts that remain sustainable

1297
01:40:48,635 --> 01:40:52,185
today, but could face challenges in the future. In short,

1298
01:40:52,655 --> 01:40:56,625
this slide is the fiscal weather report for the leds. Some areas are

1299
01:40:56,845 --> 01:41:00,805
partly cloudy, some are stormier, and a few districts may just need us

1300
01:41:00,965 --> 01:41:02,205
to check the roof before it rains.

1301
01:41:05,485 --> 01:41:09,285
so you want a nicer neighborhood? Good. This slide is for

1302
01:41:09,505 --> 01:41:13,425
you. The key point is that higher service levels require both

1303
01:41:14,105 --> 01:41:17,645
district interest and parcel owner approval. The city cannot

1304
01:41:18,625 --> 01:41:22,485
increase assessments or services on its own. The process begins

1305
01:41:22,905 --> 01:41:26,545
with a property owner request, ensuring the effort is community driven.

1306
01:41:27,575 --> 01:41:31,085
next, a petition signed by at least 25% of parcel owners

1307
01:41:32,025 --> 01:41:35,965
demonstrate sufficient interest before additional work begins. Because the

1308
01:41:36,185 --> 01:41:40,095
cost of the proposition two 18 process is paid by the district, this

1309
01:41:40,665 --> 01:41:44,465
threshold helps ensure resources are invested where there is a strong likelihood of success.

1310
01:41:45,575 --> 01:41:49,305
once the threshold is met, staff prepares a preliminary scope and cost

1311
01:41:49,905 --> 01:41:53,835
estimate based on the improvements requested, such as enhanced maintenance, irrigation

1312
01:41:54,575 --> 01:41:58,265
repairs, tree work, or general beautification and engineers.

1313
01:41:59,025 --> 01:42:02,665
engineers analysis then evaluates the proposed assessment property

1314
01:42:03,145 --> 01:42:07,025
benefits and assessment structure. The district then proceeds through the proposition

1315
01:42:07,685 --> 01:42:11,545
two 18 ballot process where property owners decide whether to approve

1316
01:42:11,925 --> 01:42:15,775
the increased assessment if approved, the enhanced service levels implemented.

1317
01:42:16,925 --> 01:42:20,825
if not, the district remains at its current service level. This process provides

1318
01:42:21,385 --> 01:42:25,265
neighborhoods with a clear property owner driven path to higher service levels

1319
01:42:26,245 --> 01:42:29,265
for districts that are ready to begin. The petition is now available@cityofpetaluma.org

1320
01:42:32,235 --> 01:42:33,135
slash leds.

1321
01:42:36,385 --> 01:42:40,165
through the outreach process, many property owners express concern about

1322
01:42:40,515 --> 01:42:44,175
longstanding deficits that had accumulated in their districts. In

1323
01:42:44,675 --> 01:42:47,035
response, the city is eliminating approximately 768,000

1324
01:42:48,895 --> 01:42:52,345
in accumulated lad program deficits. This gives each

1325
01:42:52,955 --> 01:42:56,795
district a clean financial starting point, allowing future discussions to focus

1326
01:42:57,095 --> 01:43:00,675
on current service levels, current costs in which each district can realistically

1327
01:43:01,355 --> 01:43:05,225
support rather than past shortfalls. While eliminating deficit will

1328
01:43:05,515 --> 01:43:09,345
not immediately improve landscaping, it creates the final financial

1329
01:43:09,955 --> 01:43:13,565
foundation needed to move the program forward. With this reset,

1330
01:43:14,175 --> 01:43:17,995
the focus shifts to three priorities. Maintaining appropriate service

1331
01:43:18,315 --> 01:43:22,085
levels, managing rising costs for labor, fuel, water,

1332
01:43:23,035 --> 01:43:26,825
materials, and contracted services. And investing in ivis invisible

1333
01:43:27,435 --> 01:43:31,225
improvements such as healthy landscaping, irrigation repairs, weed

1334
01:43:31,515 --> 01:43:35,115
control, and plant replacement. It is important to note that eliminating

1335
01:43:35,675 --> 01:43:39,145
the deficit does not create new ongoing funding. Each

1336
01:43:39,715 --> 01:43:43,055
district must still operate with its an available assessment revenue unless

1337
01:43:43,835 --> 01:43:47,695
property owners choose to support a higher level of service through the proposition two

1338
01:43:48,115 --> 01:43:52,045
18 process. Fiscal year 27 is not a cure-all, but it

1339
01:43:52,205 --> 01:43:54,125
does provide a fresh start for the lad program.

1340
01:43:56,735 --> 01:44:00,055
this slide outlines the next phase of work. First, modernizing

1341
01:44:00,755 --> 01:44:04,545
irrigation systems. Rather than simply replacing existing equipment,

1342
01:44:05,075 --> 01:44:08,985
staff will prioritize water efficient technology and improvements that support the long-term

1343
01:44:09,385 --> 01:44:13,025
health of the city's urban canopy, especially during times of drought.

1344
01:44:14,005 --> 01:44:17,375
second, expanding our nonprofit partnerships to help in enhance

1345
01:44:18,265 --> 01:44:22,145
landscaping, shade, beautification, and climate resilience while stretching our

1346
01:44:22,305 --> 01:44:26,305
limited resources. Third, preparing for a comprehensive capital assessment

1347
01:44:27,125 --> 01:44:31,035
by documenting led assets, including irrigation, infrastructure, trees,

1348
01:44:31,905 --> 01:44:34,865
plantings, pathways, medians, and other maintained features.

1349
01:44:36,065 --> 01:44:39,545
together these efforts move the program from financial reset to long-term

1350
01:44:40,465 --> 01:44:44,225
strategy by improving infrastructure building partnerships and creating the asset

1351
01:44:44,545 --> 01:44:46,985
data needed for informed future planning.

1352
01:44:49,365 --> 01:44:53,185
the lad program is entering a new chapter by eliminating the

1353
01:44:53,385 --> 01:44:57,345
accumulated deficit, the city is providing a clean financial foundation for the

1354
01:44:57,465 --> 01:45:00,785
future. Staff has completed extensive outreach, gathered community

1355
01:45:01,545 --> 01:45:05,385
feedback, identified district risk levels, and established a clear property owner

1356
01:45:05,905 --> 01:45:09,025
driven pathway. For districts that wish to pursue higher service levels

1357
01:45:10,405 --> 01:45:14,385
for the first time, interested neighborhoods now have a clear roadmap to shape

1358
01:45:14,625 --> 01:45:18,425
the future of their district through the petition process. Rather than

1359
01:45:18,705 --> 01:45:22,385
a one size fits all approach, communities that are ready to invest in enhanced

1360
01:45:23,345 --> 01:45:26,785
landscaping and neighborhood improvements can choose to move that conversation forward

1361
01:45:27,845 --> 01:45:31,785
before that work can continue. Staff recommends that the council approve the fiscal

1362
01:45:32,015 --> 01:45:35,685
year 27 lad assessments, ensuring each district can

1363
01:45:36,105 --> 01:45:39,785
continue operating within its available revenues while these long-term improvements move forward.

1364
01:45:40,775 --> 01:45:44,265
this effort is about protecting neighborhood investments, improving transparency,

1365
01:45:45,405 --> 01:45:49,225
and building a more sustainable, responsive, and community driven lad

1366
01:45:49,665 --> 01:45:52,785
program. Thank you. And we are happy to answer any questions.

1367
01:45:54,435 --> 01:45:58,305
thank you. Appreciate you bringing the item back to us. Any questions up from here

1368
01:45:58,465 --> 01:45:58,905
from the diocese?

1369
01:46:03,105 --> 01:46:06,985
uh, um, I guess I have a question. Council member cater thompson. Um, on

1370
01:46:07,305 --> 01:46:10,845
the slide there were, um, areas that are not part of the landscape

1371
01:46:11,565 --> 01:46:14,995
district mentioned. So are we talking about reducing those services also

1372
01:46:15,925 --> 01:46:18,525
existing that are not connected to this program?

1373
01:46:20,945 --> 01:46:24,645
we are only talking about, um, parts of the neighborhoods

1374
01:46:25,085 --> 01:46:29,045
that are included in the lad program. Nothing else. Okay. I didn't

1375
01:46:29,285 --> 01:46:32,925
know the park place neighborhood was included in an assessment district.

1376
01:46:33,465 --> 01:46:37,465
is it? Park place is one

1377
01:46:37,685 --> 01:46:41,645
of our districts. So there are areas within park place that are a part of the assessment

1378
01:46:42,245 --> 01:46:46,085
district, but the entirety of the subdivision would not be in the districts.

1379
01:46:50,515 --> 01:46:54,205
thank you. Council member schibs? Um,

1380
01:46:54,655 --> 01:46:58,265
yeah, so one of the, um, uh, only concerns I had for the whole program,

1381
01:46:58,805 --> 01:47:02,465
uh, I'd like the way it's set up that it is initiated now by the, the petition process.

1382
01:47:03,405 --> 01:47:07,305
but in the report it didn't mention that it would have to go through this pretty long process

1383
01:47:08,015 --> 01:47:11,825
here. And one of the steps was an engineering report and then getting

1384
01:47:12,065 --> 01:47:15,665
the petitions and there was a price tag put on it. 7,000 to like $25,000

1385
01:47:16,765 --> 01:47:20,745
of staff time to, to do this. And many of these leds, the total

1386
01:47:21,055 --> 01:47:24,785
cost for the whole annual care is a lot less than that. So we're talking

1387
01:47:25,205 --> 01:47:28,865
it would take five years of current payments to even pay for the study

1388
01:47:29,405 --> 01:47:33,265
to raise the price, even a few dollars. Is there any way we can

1389
01:47:33,425 --> 01:47:37,065
reduce that down or simplify it? Uh, so that the folks in each of these

1390
01:47:37,495 --> 01:47:40,825
leds, um, know that if they start this process, it can be

1391
01:47:41,655 --> 01:47:45,135
completed. Um, uh, it'd still be financially

1392
01:47:46,625 --> 01:47:49,905
balanced between dollars in and, and, and, and services obtained.

1393
01:47:52,325 --> 01:47:56,025
one of the challenges with the prop two 18 process

1394
01:47:56,685 --> 01:48:00,185
is the necessity to have a special versus general benefit analysis completed.

1395
01:48:01,165 --> 01:48:05,165
and so depending on the complexities of any given district, that's where the majority of

1396
01:48:05,385 --> 01:48:09,245
that cost comes from. So if you have a smaller district that has, you

1397
01:48:09,465 --> 01:48:13,465
know, 20 parcels in it, that's a much easier assessment to do than a district that

1398
01:48:13,625 --> 01:48:17,585
has 445 parcels in it. So the pri the primary

1399
01:48:17,975 --> 01:48:21,785
cost driver of that is the complexity of determining, determining what elements

1400
01:48:22,305 --> 01:48:25,715
will be within that district, and then how each parcel owner

1401
01:48:26,465 --> 01:48:30,105
benefits from those as from those assets within that district.

1402
01:48:30,765 --> 01:48:34,625
so there's a cost

1403
01:48:34,915 --> 01:48:38,835
that cannot be avoided in that, but the long-term benefits of going through

1404
01:48:39,035 --> 01:48:42,895
that analysis and setting these districts up now so

1405
01:48:43,115 --> 01:48:46,665
that they can be successful for the next 30 years is worth that cost.

1406
01:48:47,735 --> 01:48:51,515
the path that we're on right now, if districts do not choose to go through

1407
01:48:51,755 --> 01:48:55,555
the prop two 18, we'll be continuing diminished returns. They will see less

1408
01:48:55,795 --> 01:48:59,755
and less and less service because the costs are not going to go down. But if we

1409
01:49:00,035 --> 01:49:03,895
don't increase those assessments, the service level has to go along with those set

1410
01:49:04,115 --> 01:49:07,995
assessments, right? So anyway, I'm hoping that, uh, folks will wake

1411
01:49:08,235 --> 01:49:12,185
up and realize, ah, we will put a little bit more money in to get the service that we really need down long

1412
01:49:12,475 --> 01:49:16,255
term and they'll start this whole process up. Um, now that we've, uh,

1413
01:49:16,535 --> 01:49:20,435
got this pretty well completed, um, given that we, we have like close to

1414
01:49:20,635 --> 01:49:24,555
50 leds now, um, now that you've, we've learned a

1415
01:49:24,675 --> 01:49:28,575
lot about this process and the legal requirements and all that, um, in

1416
01:49:28,795 --> 01:49:32,795
the future, should we look at leds as a really a way to

1417
01:49:32,915 --> 01:49:36,505
go or should we think about different ways of doing it? Hoas or even

1418
01:49:36,955 --> 01:49:40,895
just city park and just make 'em part of the city park and, and take care of it that way? So

1419
01:49:41,115 --> 01:49:42,915
do you have any opinions now that you've gone through this process?

1420
01:49:45,555 --> 01:49:49,485
I think both for the city of petaluma and several cities across the state of california,

1421
01:49:50,095 --> 01:49:53,985
we've learned the fallacies of landscape assessment districts. Uh, if

1422
01:49:54,325 --> 01:49:58,085
I had the key to the city, I would never write another one. .

1423
01:49:58,865 --> 01:50:02,575
um, there are other similar cost sharing mechanisms

1424
01:50:03,245 --> 01:50:06,685
that exist. We do have a community facilities district at riverfront

1425
01:50:07,395 --> 01:50:10,955
that appears at this point to be a much stronger financial,

1426
01:50:12,225 --> 01:50:16,115
um, program for making sure that our community stays safe,

1427
01:50:16,535 --> 01:50:20,525
clean, you know, all of the things that we were hopeful that leds would do. Um, but

1428
01:50:20,725 --> 01:50:24,645
they do provide a stronger roadmap than all of the concerns that have

1429
01:50:24,845 --> 01:50:28,805
been raised with leds over the past 30 years. Thank you. That's

1430
01:50:29,045 --> 01:50:32,705
all the questions I have. Uh, thank you. I had a, um, a couple in

1431
01:50:33,145 --> 01:50:36,595
and a couple opinions too. Um, I, I think that the finance

1432
01:50:37,405 --> 01:50:41,385
districts you talk about, I think they just, their leds, they just incorporated all

1433
01:50:41,605 --> 01:50:45,225
the better lessons we learned so that we don't get burned on finance. And

1434
01:50:45,725 --> 01:50:49,045
I think we find that in any kind of sprawl, um, subdivision development

1435
01:50:49,905 --> 01:50:53,705
is that we don't have enough money later. The property taxes don't generate enough

1436
01:50:54,125 --> 01:50:58,065
to co cover services, which is why they took the landscaping out

1437
01:50:58,285 --> 01:51:02,205
of the property tax and put it back on the owner. And then that's not even turning

1438
01:51:02,445 --> 01:51:06,045
out that well. But, but once we do today, we've, like in many industries,

1439
01:51:06,525 --> 01:51:10,525
we've learned the lessons of the past. Uh, I'm okay with this raise. I

1440
01:51:10,645 --> 01:51:14,165
appreciate that you raised every llad to the maximum

1441
01:51:14,665 --> 01:51:18,605
and that turned out to be about 15%, uh, uh, increase on everybody.

1442
01:51:19,945 --> 01:51:23,505
um, but then I appreciate that you showed the slide that showed those first 10.

1443
01:51:24,385 --> 01:51:28,385
uh, they don't, they, they don't have enough money in them to,

1444
01:51:28,905 --> 01:51:32,805
to do the service they get today. So I

1445
01:51:32,975 --> 01:51:36,315
asked in the questions, did we send them a letter saying your

1446
01:51:37,195 --> 01:51:41,085
landscape assessment district will look worse next year. Is that,

1447
01:51:41,245 --> 01:51:45,205
is that a direct letter we send? Uh, that letter hasn't been sent, but it is

1448
01:51:45,325 --> 01:51:49,325
being drafted. So community members can look forward to those letters and there'll be different iterations

1449
01:51:49,905 --> 01:51:53,785
of those letters because each of those, uh, 42 active districts ha are

1450
01:51:54,005 --> 01:51:57,465
in, have different circumstances. So some of them will not see

1451
01:51:58,045 --> 01:52:02,005
a reduction in their services. Just that first group, that first group's gonna see, it's gonna be really a lot worse.

1452
01:52:02,425 --> 01:52:06,125
the middle group will say it's a little bit worse in the bottom group, amy. It was just right.

1453
01:52:06,665 --> 01:52:10,305
yes. But, um, but that's the, the, the

1454
01:52:10,745 --> 01:52:13,325
answer for the two 18 here. Thinking at 15 to 25,000

1455
01:52:15,065 --> 01:52:18,925
per group, um, I I

1456
01:52:19,245 --> 01:52:23,205
I see a tr I see a tremendous public backlash to us telling them

1457
01:52:23,515 --> 01:52:27,275
that they need to put together upfront money into this.

1458
01:52:28,065 --> 01:52:31,835
and, um, you know, a lot of assessment district work is done on, uh, distributed

1459
01:52:32,555 --> 01:52:36,365
over property tax over a longer period and stuff like this. But the shock value of 15 to

1460
01:52:36,565 --> 01:52:40,285
25,000 just to get it, you know,

1461
01:52:40,585 --> 01:52:44,285
to pay you another $50 a month or a hundred dollars a month per parcel,

1462
01:52:45,475 --> 01:52:49,045
that shock value, like you're noting, I mean, we're, we're gonna, we're gonna be revisiting

1463
01:52:49,605 --> 01:52:53,485
this issue with very unhappy people because either it'll all have fallen

1464
01:52:53,825 --> 01:52:57,525
to brown and weeds or they're gonna pay $25,000.

1465
01:52:58,625 --> 01:53:02,385
and I, I, I don't envy that pr campaign and

1466
01:53:02,645 --> 01:53:04,665
I know it will end up here. Um,

1467
01:53:06,785 --> 01:53:10,245
um, I I I, I think

1468
01:53:12,525 --> 01:53:16,405
I need, we need to drive them to the table, but to people to, to know that their

1469
01:53:17,015 --> 01:53:20,985
their landscaping, their neighborhood values are dropping because of this. And

1470
01:53:21,205 --> 01:53:24,945
I think that's the comment we'll hear is the neighborhood value is dropping. Um,

1471
01:53:25,985 --> 01:53:29,685
but I think we also need to figure out how rock solid

1472
01:53:30,025 --> 01:53:33,225
two 18 is. Can we do a citywide, um,

1473
01:53:34,105 --> 01:53:37,795
di minimis if the, if if it's less than a hundred dollars per year,

1474
01:53:38,905 --> 01:53:42,685
can we do a one action without a new, can we do a drive

1475
01:53:42,925 --> 01:53:46,885
through and say, if, if, if there are no new developments in this subdivision

1476
01:53:47,425 --> 01:53:51,205
and it's a completed subdivision from 25 years ago, can we assume

1477
01:53:51,485 --> 01:53:55,285
that there's no basic difference in the benefit nature? You know, uh, can we, can we

1478
01:53:55,545 --> 01:53:59,465
cut out that whole, anything you can do to knock that 25,000 down to

1479
01:53:59,755 --> 01:54:03,665
something that won't get us shot or you shot , um,

1480
01:54:05,015 --> 01:54:08,845
would be really helpful. 'cause I, I see this as a real

1481
01:54:09,235 --> 01:54:13,125
pending problem, but I, I'm really glad you got the, this year's to its maximum

1482
01:54:13,365 --> 01:54:17,365
levels for every, uh, group. And

1483
01:54:17,765 --> 01:54:21,725
I'd like to ask the clerk if there are any, uh, comments, public comments. We

1484
01:54:21,965 --> 01:54:25,705
did not receive any comments ahead of the meeting. We do have nine people

1485
01:54:26,085 --> 01:54:30,005
in the zoom still at this time. I will start a 32nd clock during

1486
01:54:30,425 --> 01:54:34,145
these 30 seconds. Men, members of the public attending in person should bring their speaker

1487
01:54:34,505 --> 01:54:38,505
cards to my desk. Members of the public attending online should raise

1488
01:54:38,745 --> 01:54:42,575
their virtual hand and those attending via phone should press nine

1489
01:54:42,865 --> 01:54:46,865
to raise their hand. Speaker request received after this time may not be accommodated

1490
01:54:49,445 --> 01:54:53,105
and I have not received any cards and I do not see any raised

1491
01:54:53,475 --> 01:54:57,325
hands. Thank you very much. That will close public comments on

1492
01:54:57,545 --> 01:55:01,055
the item. And, um, that brings us to, um, council

1493
01:55:01,815 --> 01:55:05,585
motions. And there are, um, a, you know,

1494
01:55:05,945 --> 01:55:09,905
a number of them and, um, if we are ready for voting on this,

1495
01:55:10,975 --> 01:55:14,765
then um, I'd like a motion for the, um, no

1496
01:55:15,185 --> 01:55:16,345
recusal resolution.

1497
01:55:22,005 --> 01:55:25,555
so moved. Thank you. Motion by barnacle. Second. Second by di carly.

1498
01:55:26,365 --> 01:55:29,665
and for the no recusals we have roll call vote barnacle.

1499
01:55:31,205 --> 01:55:35,085
aye. Cater thompson. Yes. Di carly? Yes. Now?

1500
01:55:35,605 --> 01:55:39,125
yes. Shrives? Yes. Mcdonald? Yes.

1501
01:55:39,765 --> 01:55:43,765
motion carries unanimously. Alright, I'll be recusing be probably the

1502
01:55:43,885 --> 01:55:47,805
next one because I live too close. And, uh, we will see

1503
01:55:47,965 --> 01:55:51,895
a series of recusals based on council members living in the proximity with where

1504
01:55:52,245 --> 01:55:55,985
they need to recuse. So this is the, I'd like a motion for the,

1505
01:55:56,385 --> 01:56:00,355
um, resolution with barnacle. Recusing. I'll move that. I'll

1506
01:56:00,645 --> 01:56:04,645
second then we have a motion by cater thompson. A second by now. And roll call vote please.

1507
01:56:05,325 --> 01:56:08,625
barnacle. Recused. Uh, cater thompson. Yes.

1508
01:56:09,425 --> 01:56:12,715
di carly? Yes. Now? Yes. Shrives?

1509
01:56:13,465 --> 01:56:17,255
yes. Mcdonald? Yes. Motion carries unanimously. Let's

1510
01:56:17,605 --> 01:56:21,345
invite council member barnacle back and ask, uh, vice mayor di carly to, uh,

1511
01:56:21,655 --> 01:56:24,605
weigh in. Um, I'll be recusing for where I live too.

1512
01:56:26,615 --> 01:56:30,485
thank you. Make the motion. Second. We have a motion by cater thompson.

1513
01:56:30,765 --> 01:56:33,565
a second by now. Roll call vote barnacle.

1514
01:56:35,105 --> 01:56:38,885
aye. Cater thompson? Yes. De carly recused

1515
01:56:39,545 --> 01:56:43,205
now? Yes. Shrives? Yes. Mcdonald?

1516
01:56:44,025 --> 01:56:47,965
yes. Motion carries unanimously. Wonderful. And let's invite, uh, council

1517
01:56:48,205 --> 01:56:52,085
member shrives to announce recusal. And I'm, uh, recusing

1518
01:56:52,525 --> 01:56:54,525
'cause I live in the same neighborhood as the st. James estates.

1519
01:56:56,875 --> 01:56:58,795
I'll move the item. I'll second that.

1520
01:57:03,625 --> 01:57:07,245
we have a motion by now and a second by cater thompson. May, may we have a roll call. Vote

1521
01:57:08,645 --> 01:57:12,255
barnacle. Aye. Cater thompson? Yes. Di carly?

1522
01:57:12,785 --> 01:57:16,225
yes. Now yes. Bbs is

1523
01:57:16,925 --> 01:57:20,805
recused and mcdonald. Yes. And we invite,

1524
01:57:21,265 --> 01:57:25,035
uh, council. Thank you. And we invite council member shri back. And I'll

1525
01:57:25,325 --> 01:57:26,605
be leaving for much the same reasons

1526
01:57:36,145 --> 01:57:40,105
and I'll make the motion. All right. So now we'll be looking at the areas that mary mcdonald's affected by,

1527
01:57:40,705 --> 01:57:44,625
um, motion by councilwoman caterer thompson. We have a second. I'll second. Second by

1528
01:57:44,845 --> 01:57:48,745
councilwoman. Now. Roll call, vote please. Barnacle aye.

1529
01:57:49,935 --> 01:57:53,745
gator thompson? Yes. Di carly? Yes. Now?

1530
01:57:54,385 --> 01:57:58,125
yes. Shrives? Yes. And mcdonald. Recused. Motion carries

1531
01:57:58,565 --> 01:58:01,005
unanimously. Invite the mayor back into the room.

1532
01:58:04,625 --> 01:58:08,625
do we need to do one for the quint recused, or can we assume that that's part of the

1533
01:58:08,865 --> 01:58:12,825
no, recusal. Recused. Okay, so

1534
01:58:13,045 --> 01:58:16,985
I'll make the motion on five. We don't need to. We don't need to. All

1535
01:58:17,205 --> 01:58:21,165
right. Um, let me defer to the clerk here and, and ask have we covered

1536
01:58:21,385 --> 01:58:25,085
all the resolutions needed? I'm thinking it would be safer just to include

1537
01:58:25,465 --> 01:58:29,285
the quentin one right now without here. Let's do one more unless you

1538
01:58:29,485 --> 01:58:33,325
guys wanna just assume that first one was. So I'm looking for a motion

1539
01:58:33,665 --> 01:58:37,195
for, for, uh, council member quint. I'll make some motion for attachment five.

1540
01:58:38,085 --> 01:58:42,085
resolution. Second. Second. So we have a motion by cater thompson. And a

1541
01:58:42,205 --> 01:58:46,065
second by barnacle. And a roll call. Vote please. Uh,

1542
01:58:46,285 --> 01:58:49,905
barnacle. Aye. Cater thompson? Yes. Di carly? Yes.

1543
01:58:50,745 --> 01:58:54,525
now? Yes. Repps? Yes. Mc mcdonald?

1544
01:58:54,985 --> 01:58:58,865
yes. Okay. Motion carries you unanimously. Thank you. All

1545
01:58:59,085 --> 01:59:02,445
right, well, thank you very much, melinda. That's, uh, always an adventure.

1546
01:59:03,685 --> 01:59:05,915
. Appreciate the presentation. Yeah.

1547
01:59:11,865 --> 01:59:15,645
and now, um, we have our workshop for the evening. And thank you all

1548
01:59:15,945 --> 01:59:19,885
for, uh, andrew, uh, allowing the lineup change in this.

1549
01:59:20,185 --> 01:59:23,605
to bring this one as the main event for the evening. At this time,

1550
01:59:24,875 --> 01:59:28,125
it's a recommendation to the city of petaluma council to receive staff presentation,

1551
01:59:28,905 --> 01:59:32,405
public comment, and conduct a workshop concerning the north petaluma,

1552
01:59:32,965 --> 01:59:36,795
north smart station priority development area and specific plan,

1553
01:59:37,405 --> 01:59:41,315
proposed vision and preparation of the specific plan associated environmental

1554
01:59:42,165 --> 01:59:45,835
impact report. And leading this

1555
01:59:46,355 --> 01:59:50,325
augusta team is tom ford, principal planner and andrew,

1556
01:59:50,825 --> 01:59:52,925
uh, triple planning manager.

1557
01:59:55,825 --> 01:59:59,805
and this may take a second to get all the microphones and computers in

1558
01:59:59,925 --> 02:00:02,765
the right place. And let us know when you're ready.

1559
02:03:04,275 --> 02:03:04,625
thank you.

1560
02:04:29,435 --> 02:04:33,415
no, um, if it's agreeable to the group, we might take an

1561
02:04:33,575 --> 02:04:37,445
adjournment for five minutes and, and give the team a chance to pull it together here.

1562
02:04:38,225 --> 02:04:42,015
and so, um, madam clerk, will you put us in adjournment

1563
02:04:42,635 --> 02:04:43,095
for five minutes?

1564
02:04:49,205 --> 02:04:52,875
okay. We are back in session now, and we are, um,

1565
02:04:53,745 --> 02:04:57,135
about to start our conversation on the petaluma north smart station

1566
02:04:57,895 --> 02:05:01,395
priority development area specific plan proposal, uh,

1567
02:05:02,035 --> 02:05:05,175
in the form of a workshop. So that's, that's us

1568
02:05:17,355 --> 02:05:20,905
and welcome team. Good evening, mr. Mayor.

1569
02:05:21,925 --> 02:05:25,835
council members. We're really happy to be here tonight and share, uh,

1570
02:05:26,075 --> 02:05:30,055
the vision that we have for the specific plan area. I'm tom ford. I'm the

1571
02:05:30,135 --> 02:05:33,905
project manager on behalf of the city, and I'm joined by annie

1572
02:05:34,845 --> 02:05:38,815
ryan, our consultant from perkins. And will, who's the lead designer on a lot

1573
02:05:38,935 --> 02:05:42,775
of what you're going to see. Um, when we sent out the staff

1574
02:05:43,035 --> 02:05:46,795
report last week, um, we had attachment six, which was, um,

1575
02:05:47,185 --> 02:05:51,015
60 slides. And this afternoon we decided to condense

1576
02:05:51,575 --> 02:05:55,415
it a little bit. So we went through and we did two things. We weeded some things

1577
02:05:55,675 --> 02:05:59,325
out to make it, not that they were superfluous, but that they were

1578
02:06:00,235 --> 02:06:03,855
per perhaps not needed. And then we also took a land use discussion

1579
02:06:04,455 --> 02:06:08,455
that's more about implementation. After we receive, uh, go ahead from

1580
02:06:08,755 --> 02:06:12,615
you folks on the vision, uh, we can, we have those slides, but we'll

1581
02:06:12,935 --> 02:06:15,935
pause at the end of the, we've now shortened it to 40.

1582
02:06:16,955 --> 02:06:20,855
and when we get to that, we'll pause it. And if you wanna see those later during your discussion, we

1583
02:06:21,015 --> 02:06:22,155
can bring them up. So,

1584
02:06:25,035 --> 02:06:28,835
so I'll be brief. I just have a very, uh, quick overview and then I'm

1585
02:06:29,055 --> 02:06:32,535
gonna turn it over to annie. I want to just talk about the specific plan, background,

1586
02:06:33,445 --> 02:06:37,255
what we've done to date, uh, then we'll have annie's presentation and then with

1587
02:06:37,495 --> 02:06:41,455
public comment. Um, and you guys can have a discussion and hopefully we can leave

1588
02:06:41,615 --> 02:06:45,395
here tonight with either the vision we're bringing to you or your, um,

1589
02:06:46,375 --> 02:06:50,125
thoughts on how we might amend that vision. So the specific plan

1590
02:06:50,415 --> 02:06:54,215
area is about, uh, 1060 acres from washington street

1591
02:06:54,715 --> 02:06:58,635
all the way up to, uh, about where, um, the

1592
02:06:58,855 --> 02:07:02,565
brewery is. I , I usually know the name of that. Yes. Uh, lagunitas.

1593
02:07:03,395 --> 02:07:07,335
and on the, on the other side of mcow, it's scott street. So it goes all

1594
02:07:07,535 --> 02:07:10,935
the way up there. And then, um, in the middle, the metropolitan transportation

1595
02:07:11,745 --> 02:07:15,415
commission has identified a half mile radius that they call the

1596
02:07:15,775 --> 02:07:19,375
toc, the transit oriented communities area. So there's some pretty focused,

1597
02:07:20,435 --> 02:07:24,435
uh, policies that need to be put in place for that area specifically, but

1598
02:07:24,655 --> 02:07:28,035
then also for the entire specific plan. Um,

1599
02:07:28,885 --> 02:07:31,565
looking at it from the citywide, you can see that it's

1600
02:07:33,135 --> 02:07:36,885
somewhat, um, remote in that it's across a freeway, it's across a river,

1601
02:07:37,465 --> 02:07:41,365
and, um, it, it's on the other side of town and it's

1602
02:07:41,765 --> 02:07:45,205
adjacent to your other, um, uh, pda

1603
02:07:46,325 --> 02:07:50,085
priority development area as identified by mtc. And you'll be having a separate

1604
02:07:50,485 --> 02:07:52,595
planning effort, uh, for that very soon.

1605
02:07:55,725 --> 02:07:59,715
where we are in the process, we're just a little bit behind. We are exactly where the

1606
02:07:59,835 --> 02:08:03,715
red arrow is. We're trying to get, we're in that knuckle between developing all

1607
02:08:03,915 --> 02:08:07,915
of the options and alternatives and thoughts and coming to you folks with what we

1608
02:08:08,035 --> 02:08:11,975
think our preferred vision is. We want to see if you can either bless it or, or

1609
02:08:12,325 --> 02:08:16,195
amend it. And then we'll go forward and perkins and will will go off and write

1610
02:08:16,435 --> 02:08:20,295
a specific plan. They have a consultant that works for them that'll start to do

1611
02:08:20,515 --> 02:08:24,275
the ca documentation and we'll be back in the fall with a draft

1612
02:08:24,625 --> 02:08:28,615
plan. So our goals are to implement the, uh,

1613
02:08:29,305 --> 02:08:33,075
pending general plan, uh, implement metropolitan

1614
02:08:33,875 --> 02:08:37,835
transportation commission policies for that, that trans transit oriented

1615
02:08:37,995 --> 02:08:41,935
communities area, um, to create a unique identity and

1616
02:08:42,155 --> 02:08:46,135
sense of place. And we've heard a lot from the community about what they think about what the

1617
02:08:46,355 --> 02:08:50,015
sense of place is now and how ideas they have for changing it.

1618
02:08:50,615 --> 02:08:54,415
and then the last piece is that once the specific plan gets written is

1619
02:08:54,635 --> 02:08:58,435
in place, it'll, uh, create the regulatory structure that you can then implement

1620
02:08:58,995 --> 02:09:02,915
development, implement, uh, public improvements, and start to see change

1621
02:09:03,305 --> 02:09:05,755
over the 20 year course of the specific plan horizon

1622
02:09:09,035 --> 02:09:12,535
planning process. To date, we did, um, a pretty extensive, um,

1623
02:09:13,235 --> 02:09:17,195
existing conditions analysis. We had a lot of stakeholder interviews and outreach to community

1624
02:09:17,555 --> 02:09:20,495
members, um, with community, um,

1625
02:09:21,675 --> 02:09:25,265
workshops and such. And using the stakeholder information we've developed with perkins,

1626
02:09:25,755 --> 02:09:29,695
perkins and will has developed a vision, some ideas about land use and

1627
02:09:30,025 --> 02:09:33,835
improving circulation networks. Uh, we had a planning commission

1628
02:09:34,355 --> 02:09:37,985
session. We gave detailed, um, re uh, reporting

1629
02:09:38,595 --> 02:09:42,335
on that in the, in the, uh, staff report. So

1630
02:09:43,015 --> 02:09:46,755
the community engagement has been pretty, pretty robust to date.

1631
02:09:47,055 --> 02:09:50,955
in addition to some focus group meetings at the very beginning, we met with

1632
02:09:51,155 --> 02:09:55,025
city staff on december 4th. Uh, the leaders of, uh, city

1633
02:09:55,315 --> 02:09:59,185
staff, like public works, a lot of people to get a lot of ideas about what

1634
02:09:59,475 --> 02:10:03,235
we can do about flooding, what we can do about traffic, things like that. We had the

1635
02:10:03,515 --> 02:10:07,275
community open house on december 10th, um, and then we

1636
02:10:07,625 --> 02:10:11,195
also had pop-up workshops, uh, lumon such as that.

1637
02:10:11,895 --> 02:10:15,895
and then, uh, back at, um, the community center on

1638
02:10:16,115 --> 02:10:19,695
march 21st, we had a community workshop where perkins and will led

1639
02:10:20,315 --> 02:10:24,155
exercises with people to really, uh, small group exercises to

1640
02:10:24,355 --> 02:10:28,225
look at how we might, um, think about the vision for what

1641
02:10:28,515 --> 02:10:32,335
is identified in the staff report as the focus areas. Um, in

1642
02:10:32,795 --> 02:10:36,685
addition to that, we were here in november, um, to speak with you about a

1643
02:10:36,805 --> 02:10:40,715
community outreach partners working group. That working group was assembled largely

1644
02:10:41,575 --> 02:10:45,195
along the lines that you, uh, gave direction on. It has about 15

1645
02:10:45,685 --> 02:10:49,085
members. We've had three meetings, and the fourth one is going to be next monday

1646
02:10:49,745 --> 02:10:53,725
to incorporate what we hear from you tonight and give perkins and will

1647
02:10:53,925 --> 02:10:54,855
some additional ideas.

1648
02:10:58,705 --> 02:11:02,685
so, um, recently you hired a new economic development director

1649
02:11:02,865 --> 02:11:06,565
and that person, uh, put on her hat and really went out to the community and sort of

1650
02:11:06,985 --> 02:11:10,805
dug down a little deeper than we had already gotten with some of the outreach, and really

1651
02:11:11,005 --> 02:11:14,765
started talking to some of the business owners and, uh, businesses

1652
02:11:15,105 --> 02:11:18,985
out there and came away with some takeaways. These are, we, uh,

1653
02:11:19,205 --> 02:11:22,845
discussed in the staff report and they're, um, on the screen right now.

1654
02:11:28,165 --> 02:11:31,965
and so then as we said in the staff report port, we

1655
02:11:32,185 --> 02:11:36,105
narrowed it down to seven, um, things that we'd like you to give us direction

1656
02:11:36,585 --> 02:11:40,185
on, if possible. A couple of planning efforts that we'd like to, uh, sunset

1657
02:11:41,055 --> 02:11:44,185
just because we feel like this specific plan happening in 20 26, 20 27

1658
02:11:45,975 --> 02:11:49,735
will enable us to, uh, update the planning area

1659
02:11:50,125 --> 02:11:54,085
for those. Um, we want you to think about taking the

1660
02:11:54,585 --> 02:11:58,545
mtc assigned plan area and converting it

1661
02:11:58,945 --> 02:12:02,925
slightly to, um, adopt to the measure y, um,

1662
02:12:03,675 --> 02:12:07,525
boundaries that were for the unincorporated part of the, the

1663
02:12:07,815 --> 02:12:11,625
land north of, um, corona road. Then we

1664
02:12:11,855 --> 02:12:15,465
also want to see, we're gonna, andy's got a lot of material to show you,

1665
02:12:16,005 --> 02:12:19,805
um, if we're on track with what we see as these focus development planning in

1666
02:12:20,025 --> 02:12:23,945
the, in the, uh, the, the three focus areas, the transit village, the health

1667
02:12:24,705 --> 02:12:28,585
district, and the mcdowell corridor. And then put in

1668
02:12:28,745 --> 02:12:32,685
place bold, um, urban design policies and a framework for

1669
02:12:32,905 --> 02:12:36,165
really placemaking and community building tools. And lastly,

1670
02:12:37,005 --> 02:12:40,945
uh, if you can, um, approve the vision or, or amend it in whatever way

1671
02:12:41,105 --> 02:12:44,975
you please. After discussion, we'd like to go away and prepare the specific plan,

1672
02:12:45,265 --> 02:12:49,145
bring that back in about in the fall as a draft with a draft

1673
02:12:49,665 --> 02:12:53,455
eir. And with that I'm gonna turn it over to annie. Um, like

1674
02:12:53,745 --> 02:12:57,625
I said, she'll go through most of the slides and then we'll get to a stopping point. And if you want

1675
02:12:57,825 --> 02:13:01,605
to see more, we'll bring it up later. Thanks, tom.

1676
02:13:02,045 --> 02:13:05,985
hi everyone. I'm annie ryan. I'm an urban designer with perkins and well, it's nice to be here with you

1677
02:13:06,105 --> 02:13:09,945
all this evening. Um, I am going to try to

1678
02:13:10,145 --> 02:13:14,065
be quick, uh, but we can talk about all of this, um, in as much detail as you would

1679
02:13:14,185 --> 02:13:18,185
like after. Um, I'm gonna start with some context and then we'll talk a little bit about engagement, what we've

1680
02:13:18,425 --> 02:13:21,935
heard, what we're hearing. Um, and then I'll move into the proposed version. So just

1681
02:13:22,505 --> 02:13:26,385
a little orientation, as tom said, it's about a thousand acres. We've got some

1682
02:13:26,685 --> 02:13:30,625
key boundaries, um, established by 1 0 1 corona road, washington

1683
02:13:31,180 --> 02:13:35,165
boulevard, maria drive. Um, and it's sort of, it's, you can really see the, the shape,

1684
02:13:35,405 --> 02:13:39,205
right? It's sort of the, it balloons out around the station area. So it's capturing this half

1685
02:13:39,475 --> 02:13:43,285
mile, um, transit area. And then this entire corridor, it's about two miles

1686
02:13:43,525 --> 02:13:47,385
that runs all the way down north mcdowell till you get to washington. Um, and

1687
02:13:47,785 --> 02:13:51,425
uh, I think it's important to note some, some features here. Um,

1688
02:13:51,805 --> 02:13:55,685
'cause these become drivers of the plan and how we think about, uh, the east side. So there's,

1689
02:13:56,125 --> 02:13:59,965
I said there's 1 0 1, there's petaluma river, um, there's smart line,

1690
02:14:00,665 --> 02:14:04,405
and you know, these are all connectors in their own right, but they also are, are barriers

1691
02:14:04,785 --> 02:14:08,205
and these are big, you know, pieces of infrastructure, um, or geographic

1692
02:14:09,085 --> 02:14:13,005
features that that can be crossed, but with great challenge or sometimes not, not crossed at all.

1693
02:14:13,125 --> 02:14:16,965
and so I think it's important to just sort of take this in as we think about the east side,

1694
02:14:17,305 --> 02:14:21,125
how people experience it today, and also how it's sort of perceived in, in overall petaluma.

1695
02:14:22,585 --> 02:14:26,315
um, so what's happening in the plan area today? Um, it's, it's

1696
02:14:26,845 --> 02:14:30,725
a pretty remarkable place. This is a very unique part of the city. There's

1697
02:14:31,165 --> 02:14:34,965
a lot of existing assets here. You know, we start with smart station, the smart pathway.

1698
02:14:35,495 --> 02:14:39,355
these are tremendous assets. Um, huge economic potential,

1699
02:14:40,025 --> 02:14:43,565
um, and investments that the city has made. Um, there are some really well-defined,

1700
02:14:44,365 --> 02:14:48,245
really well sort of understood neighborhoods here that provide homes

1701
02:14:48,585 --> 02:14:52,085
to really wide diversity of people. Um, that includes several manufactured

1702
02:14:52,805 --> 02:14:56,765
home neighborhoods that are just vital sources of affordable housing, especially for our, our

1703
02:14:56,965 --> 02:15:00,845
seniors. Um, there are open spaces, creeks, trails, throughout the plain area, including,

1704
02:15:01,365 --> 02:15:05,095
including the very beloved, um, lynch creek trail. You know, these are really great

1705
02:15:05,465 --> 02:15:08,805
assets. We don't find these very often in cities around the bay area.

1706
02:15:09,665 --> 02:15:13,365
um, and there's also, I just wanna point out, you know, these sort of what we're calling vital community

1707
02:15:14,045 --> 02:15:17,965
resources. So we've got petaluma valley hospital, the petaluma valley, petaluma health

1708
02:15:18,085 --> 02:15:21,645
center. Um, these are really critical, um, sources of service,

1709
02:15:22,105 --> 02:15:26,025
not just for the east side, of course, not just for petaluma, but from at a regional stage. So

1710
02:15:26,245 --> 02:15:29,745
these are, these are really important assets to point out. Um, and,

1711
02:15:30,265 --> 02:15:34,125
you know, when we think just about the, the, the business, the commercial side of the east side,

1712
02:15:34,445 --> 02:15:38,265
I mean, there's a really, really rich legacy of local entrepreneurship here. Um,

1713
02:15:38,535 --> 02:15:42,365
small businesses that have gone very global. I mean, lagunitas is like,

1714
02:15:42,825 --> 02:15:46,725
of course a , a well known example, but there's so many different industries

1715
02:15:47,205 --> 02:15:51,205
and businesses that have sort of taken root here. Um, the name makers alley

1716
02:15:51,585 --> 02:15:55,525
is getting used. Um, you know, there's, there's a real sense of place here that I think this plan is

1717
02:15:55,725 --> 02:15:59,605
well equipped to help, um, see forward to the next, the next many decades.

1718
02:16:00,785 --> 02:16:04,765
um, and I just wanna underpin too that, you know, this is a real job center. There's a

1719
02:16:04,885 --> 02:16:08,565
lot of important jobs that, that happen here. And so this plan needs to be very, very cognizant

1720
02:16:09,085 --> 02:16:12,845
of how it doesn't, um, disrupt, dismantle that. And that really finds a way to

1721
02:16:13,165 --> 02:16:15,685
continue to be an important job center for, for the city and for the region.

1722
02:16:17,225 --> 02:16:21,085
um, the, the east side, you know, many, many great things, but it's not without

1723
02:16:21,545 --> 02:16:25,075
its challenges. Um, this is an exhibit from the, the pending general plan

1724
02:16:25,745 --> 02:16:29,605
update. Um, the areas you see in pink, or what are referred to as equity priority

1725
02:16:29,765 --> 02:16:33,765
areas. So, um, as defined in the general plan, these are areas comprised of

1726
02:16:33,845 --> 02:16:37,805
lower income residents, um, that are disproportionately affected by environmental pollution

1727
02:16:38,325 --> 02:16:42,165
and other negative health impacts. So you can see, I mean, it's quite clear, right? A huge

1728
02:16:42,445 --> 02:16:46,385
amount of, um, that category of, of area, um, falls within our, our

1729
02:16:46,675 --> 02:16:50,665
plan area. So for any kind of planning effort here, um, we really, we

1730
02:16:50,885 --> 02:16:54,845
need to be thinking about this, um, at the forefront. It's not just business as usual. This is a planning

1731
02:16:54,965 --> 02:16:58,415
opportunity to repair real harm that's occurring in the plan area today.

1732
02:16:59,185 --> 02:17:03,085
uh, so whether it's higher pollution rates due to the proximity of 1 0 1, um, or high

1733
02:17:03,725 --> 02:17:07,705
concentrations of seniors that are living, living in areas that experience a lot of flooding or

1734
02:17:07,925 --> 02:17:11,695
have sort of traffic, um, and, and, and, um, uh, road roadway issue,

1735
02:17:12,045 --> 02:17:15,325
roadway safety issues, you know, equity has to be a major driver for this plan.

1736
02:17:16,505 --> 02:17:20,385
um, so I wanted to just, you know, we can't walk through the plan right now, but maybe we can kind of quickly all

1737
02:17:20,605 --> 02:17:24,125
do this together on screen virtually, um, to sort of just get our minds in, in place

1738
02:17:24,705 --> 02:17:28,605
and, and think about this place a little bit. So there's a lot of amazing things happening, right? We

1739
02:17:28,805 --> 02:17:32,625
have the new smart station, the pathway, I mean, these are tremendous assets and

1740
02:17:32,845 --> 02:17:36,805
getting more and more popular every day. Um, so much connection to

1741
02:17:36,965 --> 02:17:40,685
nature. I mean, the parks are really, it's so fun how they all have different characters.

1742
02:17:41,365 --> 02:17:45,365
I mean, I was really love it. I'm not from petaluma, but I really have loved getting to know this

1743
02:17:45,605 --> 02:17:49,605
area. 'cause I just find it so tremendous. All these different types of open spaces that weave throughout

1744
02:17:50,005 --> 02:17:53,985
the neighborhoods, um, these diverse businesses. It's so, um,

1745
02:17:54,645 --> 02:17:58,445
interesting to see the variety, um, and how they all have stories. And we've

1746
02:17:58,685 --> 02:18:02,205
gotten to connect with a lot of people at workshops and hear about sort of what these businesses

1747
02:18:02,835 --> 02:18:05,765
mean to them, um, and what they mean to, you know, their, their families in petaluma.

1748
02:18:07,185 --> 02:18:10,925
um, and there are some serious challenges. And I would just say the constant

1749
02:18:11,285 --> 02:18:15,095
refrain we hear is about safety on our streets and in our public realm.

1750
02:18:15,545 --> 02:18:19,045
um, the road quality is not conducive to pedestrian trips, to bicycle

1751
02:18:19,695 --> 02:18:23,645
trips. Um, all of you, I'm sure have probably know this intersection

1752
02:18:24,085 --> 02:18:27,925
very well. I mean, these are, these are serious hardships. And so when we're talking about transit oriented development,

1753
02:18:28,705 --> 02:18:32,645
we have to think about an environment that is actually encouraging people, um, safely to, to

1754
02:18:32,805 --> 02:18:36,725
use that transit. Um, and I, you know, I just wanna point out like it's all

1755
02:18:36,995 --> 02:18:40,775
ages when we're talking about this type of infrastructure. We're thinking about kids, we're

1756
02:18:41,125 --> 02:18:44,965
thinking about people pushing strollers, um, elderly folks, like when we design

1757
02:18:45,345 --> 02:18:49,185
for all ages, um, that's where we see sort of our safest, um, greatest outcomes on

1758
02:18:49,405 --> 02:18:53,225
our streets. Um, there's some really interesting and important, uh,

1759
02:18:53,445 --> 02:18:57,325
environmental features here, right? So we have creeks that are running all the way through.

1760
02:18:57,525 --> 02:19:01,445
they go through sort of various stages of, of naturalization to what you're seeing on the left, like

1761
02:19:01,685 --> 02:19:04,925
very culverted and sort of, um, engineered, um, pretty significant

1762
02:19:05,725 --> 02:19:09,605
flooding issues that are a constant refrain as well. We've heard a lot from public works about the flooding

1763
02:19:09,925 --> 02:19:13,605
challenges, but residents and business owners as well. And then also just wanna flag, you know, the heightened

1764
02:19:14,325 --> 02:19:18,325
wildfire risks. One of the earlier presentations today was talking about that urban wildland interface. I

1765
02:19:18,445 --> 02:19:21,085
mean, that we are right on the sort of front lines here in this plan area.

1766
02:19:22,945 --> 02:19:26,885
so what did we hear? Um, , I mentioned this, but I would say

1767
02:19:27,125 --> 02:19:30,755
like the biggest highlights really are around mobility, around people feeling safe

1768
02:19:31,225 --> 02:19:35,165
to use, um, to, to get out of their cars and to be able to walk and

1769
02:19:35,365 --> 02:19:39,355
bike and, and, and do so, um, with, with their children as well. Um, this

1770
02:19:39,645 --> 02:19:43,605
sort of, um, refrain, this constant refrain for wanting more green space, wanting more connection

1771
02:19:43,965 --> 02:19:47,875
to nature, but also just wanting places where they can socialize and be with

1772
02:19:48,165 --> 02:19:52,105
their families, be with friends, a place to, to meet up after work. Um,

1773
02:19:52,425 --> 02:19:56,325
you know, this is a residential area, but it's also a place, um, where, where people come

1774
02:19:56,565 --> 02:20:00,005
to work. And so having those types of spaces and places, um, is really critical.

1775
02:20:01,385 --> 02:20:05,265
um, I would say from all of that sort of feedback we are

1776
02:20:05,485 --> 02:20:09,315
seeing, um, we've sort of latched onto these four priorities, right? So this

1777
02:20:09,635 --> 02:20:13,345
idea of really maximizing the station as a community asset, um,

1778
02:20:13,685 --> 02:20:17,645
thinking about north mcdowell as a place that puts people first. So not just something that

1779
02:20:17,765 --> 02:20:21,325
you are driving through or moving through, but actually a place that can be a destination

1780
02:20:22,025 --> 02:20:26,005
in its own right. Um, thinking about local industries sort of

1781
02:20:26,125 --> 02:20:29,965
anchoring the place and really creating a strong sense of place that where makers and

1782
02:20:30,165 --> 02:20:33,525
breweries and all of these sort of creative enterprises are really flourishing together.

1783
02:20:34,265 --> 02:20:38,195
um, and then I would say, you know, thinking about nature and climate, it, it's

1784
02:20:38,485 --> 02:20:42,325
gotta be at the forefront. I mean, just thinking about why people wanna live in petaluma, it's

1785
02:20:42,605 --> 02:20:46,605
because you can be sort of immersed in nature, but, um, we can't control

1786
02:20:46,845 --> 02:20:50,625
nature. And so thinking about how we do this in a, in a sensible way and thinking long term is

1787
02:20:51,085 --> 02:20:55,045
critical. Um, and so with all of this feedback, uh, we have sort of

1788
02:20:55,125 --> 02:20:59,105
this emerging vision, which I can just read to you, um, a vision statement. So

1789
02:20:59,325 --> 02:21:02,915
the petaluma north station specific plan area will be a resilient, connected,

1790
02:21:03,525 --> 02:21:07,425
and vibrant place where housing, jobs, and recreation come together in

1791
02:21:07,645 --> 02:21:11,505
a walkable, nature oriented district that supports health, community, and

1792
02:21:11,725 --> 02:21:15,525
long-term economic resilience. It's about complete neighborhoods and distinctive

1793
02:21:16,125 --> 02:21:20,085
mixed use hubs that will offer homes, jobs, and daily amenities within a short

1794
02:21:20,245 --> 02:21:24,235
walk or ride transit corridors that will be active and welcoming with

1795
02:21:24,495 --> 02:21:28,295
art public spaces and human scale development that supports ridership and car

1796
02:21:28,795 --> 02:21:32,255
optional living creeks and green streets that will form ecological spines,

1797
02:21:32,905 --> 02:21:36,035
linking people to open spaces, managing water cooling neighborhoods,

1798
02:21:36,935 --> 02:21:40,745
and protecting from wildfire risk and a thriving ecosystem

1799
02:21:41,355 --> 02:21:44,795
of different businesses that will be supported by a mix of amenities that generate vibrancy

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02:21:45,415 --> 02:21:48,395
and enable people to live near their work, school and families.

1801
02:21:49,975 --> 02:21:53,385
so these are all great, these are words . So we need to turn these into,

1802
02:21:54,255 --> 02:21:58,155
um, in, into strategies that can, that it can inform a place. And so we

1803
02:21:58,275 --> 02:22:02,155
start to think about design pillars. Like I I'm an urban designer, so this is gonna get a little,

1804
02:22:02,755 --> 02:22:06,715
a little artsy, but, you know, we think about these pillars to kind of drive decisions about how we would think

1805
02:22:06,835 --> 02:22:10,675
about things like land use. Um, and so these pillars, um, that we've latched onto are environmental

1806
02:22:11,635 --> 02:22:15,235
resilience, circulation and access and housing economy in place.

1807
02:22:16,855 --> 02:22:20,805
and what could that start to look like? So when we think about a big picture, urban

1808
02:22:21,155 --> 02:22:25,090
design framework, I think there's three big ideas that we're trying to sort of bring, bring

1809
02:22:25,290 --> 02:22:29,205
to life here. The first one being distinct neighborhoods. So a really contextual mix

1810
02:22:29,405 --> 02:22:32,735
of housing and jobs and everyday uses that are all sort of coalescing

1811
02:22:33,565 --> 02:22:37,165
together, and you really have a strong sense of place with that development. There needs to be a playfulness

1812
02:22:37,705 --> 02:22:41,695
in how we think about these future development coming forward. Um, green

1813
02:22:42,045 --> 02:22:45,685
stitches, which are this idea of, you know, bringing our creeks and parks and trails,

1814
02:22:46,105 --> 02:22:49,965
all of these sort of moments of nature, having them work together so that they become places

1815
02:22:50,275 --> 02:22:54,245
that are connecting, um, the larger fabric that they really can be, the stitches that hold it

1816
02:22:54,405 --> 02:22:58,365
all together. And then, um, the circuits, which is what you see in orange or sort

1817
02:22:58,565 --> 02:23:02,565
of the reddish color, um, these are what we're calling people priority routes. So

1818
02:23:02,765 --> 02:23:06,765
these ideas of, um, networks that are connecting all neighborhoods no matter where you

1819
02:23:06,845 --> 02:23:10,805
live on the east side to transit, to open space, and everyday uses. And it's going to

1820
02:23:10,945 --> 02:23:14,835
use a combination of public streets, trails, um, connections

1821
02:23:15,525 --> 02:23:17,625
between new development, all ways to get people around safely.

1822
02:23:20,655 --> 02:23:24,595
um, and so I'll, I'll try to just kind of quickly walk through, like, what could this start to be

1823
02:23:24,895 --> 02:23:28,395
as a specific plan? Like if we think about taking these big picture sort of concepts

1824
02:23:28,955 --> 02:23:32,565
and now translating them to, um, to standards and, you know, p priorities,

1825
02:23:33,235 --> 02:23:37,155
but ultimately standards and, and, uh, guidelines. Um, and so when

1826
02:23:37,315 --> 02:23:41,115
we think about environment and resilience, what we could imagine is establishing an overlay

1827
02:23:41,475 --> 02:23:45,475
zone, um, whether it's for fire hazard, um, or for flood hazards, sort of

1828
02:23:45,595 --> 02:23:49,395
thinking through how development in these areas needs to be, um, uniquely responsive

1829
02:23:49,995 --> 02:23:53,855
to those conditions. Um, we can think about our streets being multipurpose, so

1830
02:23:54,075 --> 02:23:58,075
whether they're there to, um, actually help buffer from fire spread. You know, we can think

1831
02:23:58,195 --> 02:24:02,035
about the spacing of trees, um, how they trees, pla placing trees can be wind

1832
02:24:02,235 --> 02:24:06,055
buffers, um, but also flood management. So how we can start to think about our tree, our

1833
02:24:06,275 --> 02:24:10,155
streets as being places that hold water, that slow it down, that recharge

1834
02:24:10,395 --> 02:24:14,175
the aquifer. Like all of this can be multipurpose and multifunctional, um, and

1835
02:24:14,495 --> 02:24:18,485
can look really, really great as well. Um, we can think about our open spaces being

1836
02:24:18,835 --> 02:24:22,835
very multifunctional. So there's already this huge network of open spaces, but now we can start to think about

1837
02:24:23,035 --> 02:24:26,755
potentially new open spaces, um, in new parts of our, uh, our plan area.

1838
02:24:27,055 --> 02:24:30,635
so these are conceptual, but the idea is that we wanna have a framework that we can build from

1839
02:24:31,745 --> 02:24:35,675
circulation and access. You know, I, I talked about the, the mobility concerns, the

1840
02:24:35,795 --> 02:24:39,625
safety concerns. It's all about creating a network that is human scale that

1841
02:24:40,155 --> 02:24:44,035
encourages people to walk. And wherever we are finding, um, areas for new

1842
02:24:44,195 --> 02:24:47,755
development, we're really impo. We're bringing, we're super imposing this walkable

1843
02:24:48,315 --> 02:24:51,835
framework, um, first and foremost, so that we get, um, an environment where people,

1844
02:24:52,375 --> 02:24:55,635
um, are feeling like they can live without their cars if that's what they choose to do.

1845
02:24:56,495 --> 02:25:00,355
um, all of this has to be thought about in a way that preserves the

1846
02:25:00,555 --> 02:25:04,475
integrity of the district. So what you see at number five, this idea of, um, improved

1847
02:25:04,635 --> 02:25:08,635
freight access and industrial and business park areas. This is directly relating to what

1848
02:25:08,755 --> 02:25:12,715
we were hearing in that, um, it, it, it echoes the feedback that was received in

1849
02:25:12,875 --> 02:25:16,875
the memo from the business community that there's really important work that's happening here. And so when

1850
02:25:16,995 --> 02:25:20,035
we think about safe streets, these are streets that have to work for many different users,

1851
02:25:21,815 --> 02:25:25,795
um, housing and economy in place. You know, what do we mean when we think about land

1852
02:25:26,195 --> 02:25:30,125
uses here? Um, there has to be some context, some intention behind it.

1853
02:25:30,785 --> 02:25:34,605
um, and what we've started to, to sort of coalesce around is this idea of

1854
02:25:34,805 --> 02:25:38,645
character areas. So thinking about these sort of zones or like smaller sub areas with

1855
02:25:38,885 --> 02:25:42,075
the plan area that could start to have their own unique character,

1856
02:25:42,985 --> 02:25:46,825
um, that's directly informed by the streets that sort of abut them, but

1857
02:25:47,045 --> 02:25:51,005
also the surrounding land uses. So I'll just sort of quickly walk through. But, um,

1858
02:25:51,305 --> 02:25:54,985
you know, this idea of like a maker's alley where we're really focusing, um,

1859
02:25:55,425 --> 02:25:59,285
an intensive sort of effort to, to support the jobs support sort of

1860
02:25:59,885 --> 02:26:03,765
industry there. Um, the corona transit village is, is of course the area

1861
02:26:03,925 --> 02:26:07,405
right around the smart station. Um, it's includes

1862
02:26:07,965 --> 02:26:11,925
quite a bit of un um, incorporated area that does not have a lot of development today. So

1863
02:26:12,125 --> 02:26:16,125
we really need to be thinking about to develop there. What does that actually want to be? And

1864
02:26:16,325 --> 02:26:20,325
could that be? Um, and then moving down mcdowell, we of course have sort of the

1865
02:26:20,445 --> 02:26:24,425
immediate station, right? Um, the heart of the station is what we're calling it. Um,

1866
02:26:24,805 --> 02:26:28,725
a sort of central zone in the middle. Um, and then all the way at the bottom. Um, we have

1867
02:26:28,885 --> 02:26:32,885
what we're referring to as the community and health hub. So this idea of really creating a

1868
02:26:33,005 --> 02:26:36,755
strong sense of purpose that is sort of anchored by the lucchese complex,

1869
02:26:37,305 --> 02:26:41,105
but also the, the hospital. So what could this look like? I'm

1870
02:26:41,325 --> 02:26:45,325
just gonna sort of splash some images on the screen, but this idea of a maker's alley

1871
02:26:45,515 --> 02:26:49,445
that is really about bringing together places for people where, where people work, but also places

1872
02:26:49,685 --> 02:26:53,405
where people can enjoy in what sort of interesting

1873
02:26:53,765 --> 02:26:57,605
businesses and industries are occurring here. Places that workers want to spend time at after

1874
02:26:57,925 --> 02:27:01,885
work places that you want to come to on the weekends, um, places that really celebrate,

1875
02:27:02,465 --> 02:27:06,285
um, the industries that make this area special. The station could be this very vibrant

1876
02:27:06,695 --> 02:27:10,605
place that, you know, is, is capturing the fact that there are gonna be so many people arriving by foot

1877
02:27:10,905 --> 02:27:14,705
by bike. Sort of what could that sort of immediate, um, sort of, uh,

1878
02:27:14,955 --> 02:27:18,405
capture area start to feel like central mcdowell

1879
02:27:18,965 --> 02:27:22,925
could start to be a place that maybe has some interstitial moments. So ideas of sort of taking

1880
02:27:23,285 --> 02:27:26,745
advantage of maybe, um, larger setbacks, um, uh,

1881
02:27:27,625 --> 02:27:31,465
uh, uh, parcels that maybe are underutilized that could start to become places for

1882
02:27:31,685 --> 02:27:35,565
smaller pockets of open spaces, places for rest. Um, starting to think about how we

1883
02:27:35,725 --> 02:27:39,225
sort of take advantage of these, these smaller moments as part of a larger system.

1884
02:27:40,305 --> 02:27:44,005
um, and then lastly, the health and community hub. You know, this is really civic, uh, a civic

1885
02:27:44,635 --> 02:27:48,165
type of sub area where we have large convergence of people coming together,

1886
02:27:48,825 --> 02:27:52,725
um, but also places that need to, you know, sort of support that, that larger

1887
02:27:52,965 --> 02:27:56,755
population thinking about retail and, and such. So this

1888
02:27:57,045 --> 02:28:00,885
is a very conceptual sort of land use plan that gives you a sense of how, um, we could start

1889
02:28:01,085 --> 02:28:04,985
to think about these types of land uses arraying, um, in the plan area. So

1890
02:28:05,205 --> 02:28:09,165
this focus on very walkable, um, 15 minute neighborhood centers, of course,

1891
02:28:09,305 --> 02:28:13,205
as something that comes straight from the general plan. So this is an opportunity to really see that through,

1892
02:28:14,025 --> 02:28:17,405
um, prioritizing the job centers as places of, of, of employment.

1893
02:28:18,505 --> 02:28:22,505
um, thinking about a diversity of housing options, and especially thinking about housing, um,

1894
02:28:22,725 --> 02:28:26,175
that is really focused around transit. How, how can we maximize that transit asset,

1895
02:28:26,865 --> 02:28:30,665
um, and encourage as many people as possible to, to take advantage of it. Um,

1896
02:28:30,985 --> 02:28:34,625
and then thinking as well as just about a, a sort of a full diversity of uses, um,

1897
02:28:35,025 --> 02:28:38,925
in, in areas where there is the greatest potential for change. So starting to identify,

1898
02:28:39,385 --> 02:28:43,365
um, opportunity sites. So just some

1899
02:28:43,605 --> 02:28:47,485
sort of precedent imagery to kind of, um, put some image to to, to those

1900
02:28:47,685 --> 02:28:51,555
words. And, and what I, um, we'll try to sort

1901
02:28:51,715 --> 02:28:55,535
of move through quickly now is just what does this actually start? Like how could we start to do

1902
02:28:55,755 --> 02:28:59,675
this, right? Like a specific plan. Um, this is a very large area, it's a thousand

1903
02:28:59,795 --> 02:29:03,635
acres. So it's not about mass change , it's about really thinking

1904
02:29:03,995 --> 02:29:07,755
through intentionally where are the opportunities where more change is potentially needed.

1905
02:29:08,455 --> 02:29:11,635
um, and, and then where there are opportunity sites that maybe are underutilized

1906
02:29:12,495 --> 02:29:16,435
or, or wanting to be something more. And many of these actually were raised as part of

1907
02:29:16,755 --> 02:29:20,635
the general plan process. And so what we've, um, brought here, uh, this

1908
02:29:20,915 --> 02:29:24,845
evening are these sort of three focus areas. The first being the transit village, which

1909
02:29:25,195 --> 02:29:28,695
is parcels right around the, uh, the transit, the smart station, um,

1910
02:29:29,375 --> 02:29:33,355
the health district, which I mentioned is sort of the area that captures, um, sort of the zone

1911
02:29:33,595 --> 02:29:37,375
around the lucchese, uh, complex, but then specifically the, um,

1912
02:29:37,875 --> 02:29:41,835
shopping center across the street, an opportunity or a change area that was identified in the general

1913
02:29:42,105 --> 02:29:45,555
plan. And then the segment of north mcdowell is sort of the remainder in between,

1914
02:29:46,295 --> 02:29:49,995
um, that captures a few sort of, um, smaller opportunity sites along the street.

1915
02:29:51,655 --> 02:29:55,395
so if we think about starting to, um, translate sort

1916
02:29:55,675 --> 02:29:59,595
of these higher level principles into land use strategies, um, we could look at

1917
02:29:59,715 --> 02:30:03,415
something like this, what you see conceptually here. So we're imagining, um,

1918
02:30:03,915 --> 02:30:07,715
walkable blocks that start to, um, connect the sort of new unincorporated,

1919
02:30:08,395 --> 02:30:12,075
uh, new development in the unincorporated area that you see just sort of north of the

1920
02:30:12,435 --> 02:30:16,395
station, um, into the sort of larger fabric, right? Starting to, to connect with

1921
02:30:16,595 --> 02:30:20,595
neighborhoods that are across, uh, corona road. We're thinking about a really diverse mix of

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02:30:20,905 --> 02:30:24,575
uses. Um, a mix of housing types in particular. So enabling, um,

1923
02:30:25,195 --> 02:30:29,115
a lot more affordability, more workforce housing people able to live close to where they

1924
02:30:29,235 --> 02:30:32,915
work, and always sort of thinking about how are we supporting transit? How are we

1925
02:30:33,315 --> 02:30:37,235
enabling this station to be, um, to, to, to be the, the asset that the city

1926
02:30:37,415 --> 02:30:41,355
had sort of dreamed of when, when it was first announced that there there could be a, a second smart station

1927
02:30:41,595 --> 02:30:45,555
in petaluma. Um, and of course, thinking about active uses, how do we

1928
02:30:45,675 --> 02:30:49,355
bring in open spaces? Um, all of this is sort of coming

1929
02:30:49,955 --> 02:30:52,035
together in a sort of complete sort of land use framework.

1930
02:30:53,975 --> 02:30:57,715
um, moving further down, this is, um, sort of zoomed in around the health district.

1931
02:30:58,375 --> 02:31:02,235
so thinking here about, um, you know, future connections that could be brought

1932
02:31:02,465 --> 02:31:06,275
into the plan area that double, um, as I mentioned before, these sort of flood management

1933
02:31:06,755 --> 02:31:10,695
streets that are sort of dual purpose, not just creating more walkability, but also, um,

1934
02:31:10,915 --> 02:31:14,915
improving our resilience. Um, we're thinking about streets scape enhancements, of course

1935
02:31:15,085 --> 02:31:18,985
along north mcal, um, just sort of overall improving the

1936
02:31:19,205 --> 02:31:23,065
experience of that street. Um, and then I wanna just sort of focus your attention to,

1937
02:31:23,385 --> 02:31:26,775
um, what you see in the, the darker purple. So these are mixed use areas,

1938
02:31:27,665 --> 02:31:31,485
um, identified as change areas in the general plan, uh, these land use

1939
02:31:31,685 --> 02:31:35,645
designations. We are just sort of bringing from the general plan to this, uh, to

1940
02:31:35,845 --> 02:31:39,785
this plan. But starting to think through how might these, um, sort of, uh,

1941
02:31:40,315 --> 02:31:43,965
land use blocks these existing shop. One of them, the larger one of course, is the

1942
02:31:44,325 --> 02:31:48,325
existing shopping center. How can these start to be integrated with their surroundings? So if we think about

1943
02:31:48,595 --> 02:31:52,385
sort of, um, a green edge along, um, uh, the, the larger

1944
02:31:53,085 --> 02:31:56,845
shopping center, like how can that start to be something that now connects to, to lucchese park?

1945
02:31:59,025 --> 02:32:03,005
um, and then the last piece I wanna talk about is that that third area I mentioned, sort of the segment

1946
02:32:03,265 --> 02:32:07,105
of north mcdowell, that that is right in between the station and,

1947
02:32:07,425 --> 02:32:11,325
and east washington. Um, and so really what's driving the change here, what we

1948
02:32:11,445 --> 02:32:15,065
wanna be thinking about is how do we just think about a street that works for

1949
02:32:15,485 --> 02:32:19,325
everyone? How are we sort of balancing all these needs? Um, right now it's a street of course, that's

1950
02:32:19,685 --> 02:32:23,245
very focused on vehicles, but we can think about bringing in these other users

1951
02:32:23,795 --> 02:32:27,725
into the design of a future street that is not going to compromise. Um, the ability

1952
02:32:28,045 --> 02:32:32,005
for all these other users to coexist like that is really the beauty of, of really well

1953
02:32:32,405 --> 02:32:35,365
designed streets as that they can balance and work, um, for everyone.

1954
02:32:36,625 --> 02:32:40,505
um, and so just to sort of remind ourselves, right, like we have these sort of five, um,

1955
02:32:40,755 --> 02:32:44,555
character areas that we've established around, um, the plan area.

1956
02:32:44,945 --> 02:32:48,825
and so these character areas can start to inform the qualities, um, and

1957
02:32:49,045 --> 02:32:52,945
experiences of these different segments of both north mcdowell but also corona

1958
02:32:53,715 --> 02:32:57,675
road. So we can think about a design of a street that is responsive to the land uses

1959
02:32:57,965 --> 02:33:01,805
that are on either side of it, and how all of that can work on, on the street itself

1960
02:33:02,205 --> 02:33:06,065
without compromising, um, you know, things like level of service and its ability to to

1961
02:33:06,425 --> 02:33:08,005
to work as a, as a viable street.

1962
02:33:10,465 --> 02:33:14,425
um, and so just to sort of conceptually give you a a sense of this, right, this is, um, an

1963
02:33:14,965 --> 02:33:18,765
existing like typical cross section for north mcdowell. So you can see lots of vehicle,

1964
02:33:19,115 --> 02:33:23,085
lots of space for vehicles. There's, um, five travel lanes plus sort of a,

1965
02:33:23,285 --> 02:33:27,285
a bus turnoff space. So a lot of distance that people are having to cross, um, by foot if

1966
02:33:27,445 --> 02:33:31,365
they're crossing the street. Very little planting or shades. So when you're walking

1967
02:33:31,655 --> 02:33:35,245
along the sidewalk, it's a narrow sidewalk and it doesn't really have a lot of shelter from the elements.

1968
02:33:36,065 --> 02:33:39,965
um, and then we've got sort of limited and uneven bike facilities. Um, this particular

1969
02:33:40,445 --> 02:33:44,445
cross section was cut where we have this sort of shared use path, like a, it's really

1970
02:33:44,565 --> 02:33:48,045
just a concrete band that sort of, um, sits adjacent to the sidewalk.

1971
02:33:48,585 --> 02:33:52,365
so not really giving much to most people, most users of the street.

1972
02:33:52,985 --> 02:33:56,885
um, so how can we start to think about, you know, putting forward a new vision that sort of

1973
02:33:57,285 --> 02:34:01,115
re reprioritizes a little bit, redistributes thinks about everyone getting to benefit from

1974
02:34:01,405 --> 02:34:04,655
this corridor. Um, and so,

1975
02:34:05,595 --> 02:34:09,095
you know, this, this is the logic, right, that we're really shifting the priorities from cars

1976
02:34:09,795 --> 02:34:13,655
to people and really to, to the planet, thinking about how this street can be something that's

1977
02:34:13,935 --> 02:34:17,205
gonna live long term, um, and, and be very viable in that way.

1978
02:34:19,485 --> 02:34:23,385
so with that, I think these are rephrased versions of the key recommendations

1979
02:34:24,135 --> 02:34:28,045
that tom, um, kicked us off with. And, uh, I think

1980
02:34:28,165 --> 02:34:29,445
we can move to questions.

1981
02:34:34,605 --> 02:34:38,495
okay. Great presentation. Thanks. Uh, I

1982
02:34:38,615 --> 02:34:42,575
appreciate you, uh, um, ta cutting that slide count in half.

1983
02:34:43,015 --> 02:34:46,875
. I know that causes us to have many questions and, and things like this, but,

1984
02:34:47,115 --> 02:34:51,035
uh, but I, I think we got a good gist of it there. And, uh,

1985
02:34:51,255 --> 02:34:53,135
who on council has a question I wanna lead with?

1986
02:34:57,615 --> 02:35:00,815
I will start, um, council member barnal. So appreciate this presentation.

1987
02:35:01,965 --> 02:35:05,835
it's the second time where I've seen some of it. 'cause I was on the planning commission. Um,

1988
02:35:07,595 --> 02:35:11,215
so, and it's nice to see the land use coming, coming

1989
02:35:11,615 --> 02:35:15,535
out too. Um, can you talk about the, on the

1990
02:35:15,895 --> 02:35:19,815
mobility, the, the part about maintaining freight access and things like that

1991
02:35:20,635 --> 02:35:24,615
and, um, you know, some of the other mobility topics that we were

1992
02:35:24,695 --> 02:35:28,285
talking about of, you know, bringing down the number of lanes and things like that. There's

1993
02:35:28,775 --> 02:35:32,735
quite a few cars on this proposed growth. I would hard, it's hard to see that

1994
02:35:32,895 --> 02:35:36,455
coming down. So that's the one thing I'm sort of grappling with when we've thought about

1995
02:35:36,925 --> 02:35:40,415
this street in particular, this is the one where we're like, it's gonna be a road,

1996
02:35:40,955 --> 02:35:44,335
you know. So can you just talk about what your thoughts are of how that actually would transition

1997
02:35:45,475 --> 02:35:49,155
and things like that? Yes, I can, I can start and then I'm gonna, um,

1998
02:35:49,485 --> 02:35:53,375
pass it off to my, uh, colleague and friend at fair and pierce as well, uh, to back

1999
02:35:53,575 --> 02:35:57,495
up what I'm saying with some authority. But, um, I would just say that in our sort

2000
02:35:57,735 --> 02:36:01,665
of preliminary studies, we've looked at many, many different, we we're

2001
02:36:02,015 --> 02:36:05,915
cutting cross sections of this entire corridor and looking at different conditions and you

2002
02:36:06,135 --> 02:36:10,005
know, there's, there's a lot of excess, um, that

2003
02:36:10,295 --> 02:36:14,255
there are multiple travel lanes, um, in both directions. But then also these turn

2004
02:36:14,625 --> 02:36:18,055
lanes, there's sort of extra spill out space, um, because in general

2005
02:36:19,175 --> 02:36:23,055
probably there was just, the space was there and so it was taken and given to the vehicles and there

2006
02:36:23,295 --> 02:36:26,955
probably wasn't too much, um, thought, thought beyond that. Um,

2007
02:36:27,355 --> 02:36:31,255
but what's critical is like, we have to think about how people are using this street

2008
02:36:31,635 --> 02:36:35,555
to get to the properties, right? Because it's not just that, um,

2009
02:36:36,005 --> 02:36:39,725
cars are, are driving down and turning at intersections, there's driveways, there's curb cuts.

2010
02:36:40,015 --> 02:36:43,655
I mean, like, it is very important to think about this as an important conduit for commerce.

2011
02:36:44,395 --> 02:36:48,315
and so what we're looking at is sort of, it's two-pronged. We're of course we

2012
02:36:48,535 --> 02:36:52,535
need to model this and like we, we can rely on data, I think to, to some extent to

2013
02:36:52,735 --> 02:36:56,635
help us understand, um, what are the volumes and what can sort of be, um,

2014
02:36:57,215 --> 02:37:01,095
adjusted there. Um, but we also need to be thinking about like overall as

2015
02:37:01,295 --> 02:37:05,175
an entire network, does it actually support us, you know, in terms of like

2016
02:37:05,335 --> 02:37:09,295
overall congestion, right? Does it actually support us to have all of this space for vehicles

2017
02:37:09,815 --> 02:37:13,775
when there can be more sort of thoughtfully, uh, designed ways that we're sort

2018
02:37:13,895 --> 02:37:17,845
of coordinating our movements? Um, and we, we feel like there

2019
02:37:18,045 --> 02:37:22,045
are very good precedents that we can learn from at this. Um, so kelly, I don't

2020
02:37:22,205 --> 02:37:26,165
know if you would like to sort of give your thoughts on that too.

2021
02:37:26,715 --> 02:37:30,675
sure, I can, I can add on, um, to that. So yeah, based on initial

2022
02:37:31,485 --> 02:37:35,445
analysis that we've done, which is just looking at existing conditions, we'll still need to look at like future

2023
02:37:35,685 --> 02:37:39,595
growth and I'll take that into consideration. But, um, yeah,

2024
02:37:39,885 --> 02:37:43,755
based on the, the analysis of existing conditions, we've, we're exploring a few different different

2025
02:37:44,365 --> 02:37:48,135
options and that's in tandem with, uh, public works staff about what might

2026
02:37:48,485 --> 02:37:52,405
be, oh, excuse me. Could you speak a little closer to the mic? Oh, sure. So I can, I think I have a

2027
02:37:52,605 --> 02:37:56,525
tendency of speaking too close, so I tried to adjust this time, but thank you for the feedback council

2028
02:37:56,725 --> 02:38:00,615
member. Um, yeah, so working in tandem with, with public works staff

2029
02:38:00,965 --> 02:38:04,805
around what, um, is palatable, what might be feasible and coming up with,

2030
02:38:05,385 --> 02:38:09,085
um, starting to explore what potential solutions might look like. And that will, we'll

2031
02:38:09,605 --> 02:38:13,525
continue, we're kind of at the, the start of that process. And so we'll continue as

2032
02:38:13,725 --> 02:38:17,595
we build out the plan and get some buy off from you all on the vision tonight. Um, dive

2033
02:38:17,925 --> 02:38:21,845
a little bit deeper into that and look at, uh, projections for, for future

2034
02:38:22,125 --> 02:38:26,125
growth, knowing that a lot of the future users, if they're coming from

2035
02:38:26,325 --> 02:38:30,185
the train station, are not gonna have a car they're gonna be getting here on foot, um, and

2036
02:38:30,535 --> 02:38:34,205
maybe biking using the bike share that's at the station. Um, and so

2037
02:38:34,675 --> 02:38:38,645
yeah, the, the type of user that might be, uh, using this corridor in the future

2038
02:38:38,815 --> 02:38:42,505
might be using a different mode. Or what are some other strategies that, um,

2039
02:38:43,185 --> 02:38:47,045
you know, where, where, where's freight getting off of the highway right now? Is there an opportunity

2040
02:38:47,525 --> 02:38:51,475
for them to get off at the, you know, the redwood highway, uh, exit

2041
02:38:52,025 --> 02:38:55,905
and travel down north mcdowell? So kind of taking the, um, the

2042
02:38:56,285 --> 02:38:59,985
business owner feedback that, um, we, we've received into account and

2043
02:39:00,425 --> 02:39:04,205
trying to better understand and dive deeper where, how are they using the corridor? And so,

2044
02:39:04,665 --> 02:39:08,445
and we think there are opportunities to balance all these different users.

2045
02:39:09,185 --> 02:39:13,085
um, there are a lot of creative solutions out there that other cities have, have done.

2046
02:39:13,385 --> 02:39:16,985
so we can, we can certainly look elsewhere and don't need to reinvent the wheel, um,

2047
02:39:17,825 --> 02:39:21,535
but all within the context of what the local community here would

2048
02:39:21,885 --> 02:39:25,505
like to see. And, um, yeah. Cool. Thanks.

2049
02:39:26,305 --> 02:39:30,245
um, couple other questions. Uh, I really appreciate the sort

2050
02:39:30,485 --> 02:39:34,175
of, um, maker micro at the, where

2051
02:39:34,525 --> 02:39:38,345
currently the post office is. I think that's a nice, um, balance and

2052
02:39:38,565 --> 02:39:42,315
a nice way to sort of establish some sense of identity and place, um, from

2053
02:39:42,745 --> 02:39:46,525
the station as you arrive at the station and you realize like,

2054
02:39:46,765 --> 02:39:50,605
oh, there's all these great, you know, maker micro businesses down there that I should go check

2055
02:39:50,805 --> 02:39:54,535
out. You don't necessarily get that feel with the, uh, post office

2056
02:39:55,035 --> 02:39:58,975
and, and a fire station there. Um, how do you

2057
02:39:59,535 --> 02:40:03,445
actually create that, the demand for those businesses and things like that, right? Like,

2058
02:40:04,235 --> 02:40:08,215
um, it feels like a chicken and the egg situation a little bit where like, you know, you've

2059
02:40:08,535 --> 02:40:12,535
gotta have the spaces and you gotta have it. Um, but also you need the businesses to come

2060
02:40:12,695 --> 02:40:15,845
into. Can you talk a little bit about how these sort of places come to come to be?

2061
02:40:17,765 --> 02:40:21,725
I can, I can take a stab at this. Um, it's very complicated and it

2062
02:40:21,885 --> 02:40:25,825
is, well it is very chicken and egg, but I think part of it is like signaling to

2063
02:40:26,105 --> 02:40:29,965
the, to future, um, applicants that

2064
02:40:30,125 --> 02:40:34,125
you're, this is an option that's on the table now. So sort of even just

2065
02:40:34,365 --> 02:40:38,345
the first step that you all took with establishing that land use designation is really huge because now

2066
02:40:38,565 --> 02:40:42,445
that indicates to a different sort of market that this is a type

2067
02:40:42,745 --> 02:40:46,625
of, um, development, this is a type of use that is going to find, you

2068
02:40:46,845 --> 02:40:50,845
know, um, a home here. Um, so I think that that is a first

2069
02:40:51,195 --> 02:40:55,045
step. I think also thinking through like what, um, are the inherent

2070
02:40:55,255 --> 02:40:58,765
needs of those types of businesses and then ensuring that we can put forward

2071
02:40:59,525 --> 02:41:03,005
standards and guidelines in the specific plan that maybe make that more friendly to them.

2072
02:41:03,545 --> 02:41:07,125
um, I know we think a lot, um, other projects that we've worked on in the bay area

2073
02:41:07,695 --> 02:41:11,605
along the peninsula in particular where there's, you know, el camino real has, I think

2074
02:41:11,725 --> 02:41:15,725
kind of a similar fabric and, and sensibility about how it's trying to preserve certain types of

2075
02:41:15,995 --> 02:41:19,425
uses. Um, we've looked a lot at how we can, um, uh,

2076
02:41:20,085 --> 02:41:24,085
d encourage that type of, we call it production, distribution and repair. So this idea

2077
02:41:24,385 --> 02:41:28,285
of light industrial that, um, wants to be

2078
02:41:28,405 --> 02:41:32,235
close to other light industrial, like you want to see that clustering. Um, but part

2079
02:41:32,525 --> 02:41:36,285
of the reason that they want to be close to one another is because they tend to need to share certain types

2080
02:41:36,565 --> 02:41:40,485
of resources like surface parking or like loading space. And so all of

2081
02:41:40,645 --> 02:41:44,325
that, a specific plan is really well equipped to help put in place

2082
02:41:45,005 --> 02:41:48,805
standards and guidelines to help, um, sort of problem solve some of that, I would say.

2083
02:41:49,265 --> 02:41:53,045
um, and so all of those can be ways to sort of help just ease the burden

2084
02:41:53,445 --> 02:41:57,205
a little bit on, um, on the developer or the existing business, what

2085
02:41:57,485 --> 02:42:01,245
have you. Um, that those are, those are ways that we can kind of help encourage those things to,

2086
02:42:01,545 --> 02:42:05,525
to percolate. I don't know, andrew, if there's more you wanted to add to that. I think I

2087
02:42:05,645 --> 02:42:09,465
want to add also that, you know, certainly the work, the time that we spent in the, in

2088
02:42:09,685 --> 02:42:13,415
the plan area, we're seeing where these businesses have located, right?

2089
02:42:13,765 --> 02:42:17,685
these, these highly entrepreneurial business activities, many of them are very,

2090
02:42:17,955 --> 02:42:21,485
very stable and very committed to, um, where they're located

2091
02:42:22,055 --> 02:42:25,955
along mcdowell boulevard. So, so it's great to see that sort

2092
02:42:26,245 --> 02:42:30,105
of that in the dna of the plan area and to be able to build up

2093
02:42:30,325 --> 02:42:34,165
on that by celebrating them, uplifting them and, and kind

2094
02:42:34,445 --> 02:42:38,445
of bringing them forward in that way that blends them as businesses, as

2095
02:42:38,605 --> 02:42:42,565
entrepreneurs, as incubators, but then also creating that attachment

2096
02:42:43,195 --> 02:42:47,165
that annie showed in some of her imagery where you're creating those sort of

2097
02:42:47,285 --> 02:42:51,005
third spaces for employees to come out to socialize

2098
02:42:51,565 --> 02:42:55,265
with one another, to celebrate the work that they're doing and more fully engage

2099
02:42:55,745 --> 02:42:59,665
in the, um, in the community. Great. And then one

2100
02:42:59,885 --> 02:43:03,785
final question. Um, so when we

2101
02:43:04,005 --> 02:43:07,725
talked about this at planning commission, there was some, I brought up some points that like, there's

2102
02:43:08,125 --> 02:43:11,885
actually quite a few like large heavy duty parking lots

2103
02:43:12,175 --> 02:43:15,595
essentially there, right? Whether it's, there's like a truck stop, there's the,

2104
02:43:16,475 --> 02:43:20,415
um, the post office recology, I saw ecology's logo

2105
02:43:20,695 --> 02:43:24,335
there. Like are we envisioning long term that we want to continue to have these large,

2106
02:43:24,725 --> 02:43:28,055
like heavy duty parking lots, you know, businesses, obviously

2107
02:43:28,815 --> 02:43:32,735
critical businesses to our community, or are we, do you, do we envision those moving

2108
02:43:33,035 --> 02:43:35,615
to a different corridor in the city or something like that? Long term?

2109
02:43:38,865 --> 02:43:42,725
I think we, so we, what we have done and those comments, um, you, you hopefully see

2110
02:43:42,945 --> 02:43:46,785
the, some of the changes that reflected in the land use plan. Um, 'cause you were very astute

2111
02:43:47,185 --> 02:43:51,105
to point out that they're these sort of key, um, sites that are producing a lot

2112
02:43:51,225 --> 02:43:55,185
of greenhouse gas emissions, right? There's a lot of like truck idling, like these are sort of not conducive to

2113
02:43:55,345 --> 02:43:59,345
this like livable green, um, like corridor experience that we're

2114
02:43:59,545 --> 02:44:03,385
trying to achieve. Um, and so I think in some cases, potentially some of those opportunity

2115
02:44:03,955 --> 02:44:07,575
sites, um, we, we see, um, this

2116
02:44:08,065 --> 02:44:11,985
specific plan as being able to put forward a vi a vision to see those change into something that

2117
02:44:12,145 --> 02:44:15,895
is maybe a little bit higher and better used, something that is maybe multi-purpose.

2118
02:44:17,285 --> 02:44:21,185
um, but I think, uh, in terms of, um, the, to your second

2119
02:44:21,345 --> 02:44:25,345
point about, you know, are, are all of these things going to go away? I think that's part of

2120
02:44:25,505 --> 02:44:29,245
a bigger question about sort of the, the actual sort of character and vision. Um,

2121
02:44:29,695 --> 02:44:33,025
overall, like that has not been something that I would say this plan is sort of

2122
02:44:33,745 --> 02:44:37,745
strongly, um, pushing forward wholesale. Yeah, sure. Thank you. I appreciate

2123
02:44:38,145 --> 02:44:40,495
that. Thanks. That's all for me. I, that

2124
02:44:42,545 --> 02:44:46,435
council memberships. Yeah, I've got a fairly long list

2125
02:44:46,675 --> 02:44:50,315
of stuff, uh, questions and comments. Do I but they're more blend them

2126
02:44:51,145 --> 02:44:54,455
deep. So do you want me to wait till andrew or after it now?

2127
02:44:55,895 --> 02:44:59,875
go for it. Alright. Okay. Um, first I just want

2128
02:45:00,115 --> 02:45:04,095
to thank, uh, nicola fry. I think, uh, senator, one of the nicest, uh, emails

2129
02:45:04,985 --> 02:45:08,735
with a list of comments. So I'd like to make sure the staff really

2130
02:45:09,225 --> 02:45:13,155
pays attention. Uh, I liked a lot of the stuff that, that she listed down in there, maybe

2131
02:45:13,395 --> 02:45:16,955
even using a little ai I suspect to help, um, get the consistency going,

2132
02:45:17,495 --> 02:45:21,075
uh, through the different sections. But, uh, most of the comments I thought were very

2133
02:45:21,675 --> 02:45:24,595
valuable to, to, uh, look at. So please look at her comments for sure.

2134
02:45:25,735 --> 02:45:29,645
um, the other email I received that was very interesting was about water flow, vernal pools,

2135
02:45:30,095 --> 02:45:33,835
um, water catchment systems and the like, and the whole water flow, the diagrams

2136
02:45:34,395 --> 02:45:38,295
that you showed really did not show that well at all. Um, and

2137
02:45:38,515 --> 02:45:42,435
I think we, uh, you even show development of housing on places that absolutely should

2138
02:45:42,635 --> 02:45:46,075
not have housing. 'cause it's actually a pond and a vernal pool

2139
02:45:46,695 --> 02:45:50,455
on some of these spots. And I don't think you'll be even allowed to even get close to housing on

2140
02:45:50,795 --> 02:45:54,605
a couple of these spots. So you really have to pay attention to the actual vernal pools

2141
02:45:55,535 --> 02:45:59,385
out there on that. Um, the, um, there's

2142
02:45:59,875 --> 02:46:03,875
a piece of property we're trying to upgrade to like three stories. And I've, and that's part of the

2143
02:46:03,995 --> 02:46:07,975
area that I've canvassed when I was, um, going the last time I was going for, uh,

2144
02:46:08,195 --> 02:46:12,165
this position. And after talking several of the houses there, right on the

2145
02:46:12,365 --> 02:46:16,225
fence line, absolutely hate the idea of three stories looking out

2146
02:46:16,445 --> 02:46:20,385
over and they will fight you tooth and nail over it, um, on

2147
02:46:20,605 --> 02:46:24,565
that one. So, um, the recommendation and, and I have friends who actually live in the, one of

2148
02:46:24,645 --> 02:46:28,305
those old, really old houses right on corona road right there. And,

2149
02:46:28,745 --> 02:46:32,725
um, after talking with them, uh, a couple discussions actually that would

2150
02:46:32,885 --> 02:46:36,405
be a really good area for a, um, uh, a manufactured

2151
02:46:37,165 --> 02:46:41,125
home such as geo ship box bowl and various other manufactured homes could

2152
02:46:41,445 --> 02:46:45,365
be actually placed there in a community setting. Um, and that would be a,

2153
02:46:45,685 --> 02:46:49,125
a, a separate its own little fi a five minute community

2154
02:46:49,955 --> 02:46:53,715
that could be created in that spot, maybe even with cots services that

2155
02:46:54,005 --> 02:46:57,945
going in that would be a blend from everybody from, um, moving in

2156
02:46:58,165 --> 02:47:01,725
from the homeless all the way up to single families, uh, a single folks,

2157
02:47:02,505 --> 02:47:06,435
um, to maybe even some seniors, all even these basically tiny

2158
02:47:06,725 --> 02:47:10,685
homes. So that would be a good spot for that. So I just want you to think about that

2159
02:47:10,905 --> 02:47:14,605
as a possibility. And then that area right behind those, those couple

2160
02:47:14,925 --> 02:47:18,885
of those older homes, the one that is actually almost, uh, looks like it may need to

2161
02:47:18,965 --> 02:47:22,835
be pulled down, but it's historic house right behind there is actually, it turns into

2162
02:47:23,245 --> 02:47:27,045
a lake in wintertime, uh, when the wet rains are flowing. It's actually a good place

2163
02:47:27,345 --> 02:47:31,305
for a, um, a drain basin for recharge is

2164
02:47:31,565 --> 02:47:35,385
a possibility. And there's, uh, and wildlife frequent that spot in

2165
02:47:35,605 --> 02:47:39,585
wintertime. So you really have to pay attention to that particular spot. It's been documented, um,

2166
02:47:39,985 --> 02:47:43,245
to have a very high value as a vernal pool for wildlife.

2167
02:47:44,145 --> 02:47:47,915
so, um, please pay attention to that spot, which is right part of that 10 acre area

2168
02:47:48,505 --> 02:47:52,445
that's in there, um, in the areas in the, uh,

2169
02:47:52,645 --> 02:47:56,175
transit, um, uh, mixed use type area.

2170
02:47:56,995 --> 02:48:00,865
um, you had some retail lined out and I think there's gotta

2171
02:48:01,235 --> 02:48:05,215
be more than retail in in those sections. There needs to

2172
02:48:05,375 --> 02:48:09,355
be a lot more of community meeting spaces in that transit, uh,

2173
02:48:09,575 --> 02:48:13,455
housing area. So instead of just building up and putting lots of housing in, not just

2174
02:48:13,835 --> 02:48:17,755
retail, but there needs to be more gathering spaces. And

2175
02:48:17,975 --> 02:48:21,935
my recommendation is a library annex. The library folks want to get in there

2176
02:48:22,395 --> 02:48:25,855
but actually build out a library annex that does more than library.

2177
02:48:26,445 --> 02:48:30,235
it's actually a gathering spot, um, for people to come in and do

2178
02:48:30,455 --> 02:48:34,415
things, uh, together, crafts for kids, hobbies, make it a

2179
02:48:34,655 --> 02:48:38,415
separate, almost a community center as well as a library. So a mini community

2180
02:48:38,895 --> 02:48:42,735
center there, uh, as well as a library that has multiple uses for, for that

2181
02:48:42,935 --> 02:48:46,895
community. Um, so that has to be incorporated and which means

2182
02:48:47,175 --> 02:48:51,095
that you have to think of much more holistic people centered. I know you

2183
02:48:51,215 --> 02:48:55,215
talked a little bit in your reports about the people centeredness of it all. I think you need to up up at

2184
02:48:55,335 --> 02:48:59,295
one more level. I think nicola fry mentioned that several times in, in the

2185
02:48:59,575 --> 02:49:03,575
verbiage and in the pattern, more people centered entirely, uh, not just

2186
02:49:03,925 --> 02:49:07,525
housing, uh, that needs to be put in and not just high density housing.

2187
02:49:08,105 --> 02:49:12,035
oh, it's gonna work. Um, so, uh, and it needs to be a better plan with,

2188
02:49:12,385 --> 02:49:16,205
um, where you're gonna put the housing, how, what the shapes gonna be. And I think

2189
02:49:16,795 --> 02:49:20,725
even if you pre-design a, uh, an actual 3d

2190
02:49:21,365 --> 02:49:24,965
structure, what it might actually look like as part of the plan development that you're

2191
02:49:25,485 --> 02:49:28,605
doing a 3d structure, what that property might look like just from viewpoints

2192
02:49:29,655 --> 02:49:33,645
might be helpful to actually see what it might end up being. If it's three, four or

2193
02:49:33,845 --> 02:49:37,495
five stories, what that looks like from different angles, that should be easy to do using

2194
02:49:37,855 --> 02:49:40,965
3d modeling now. So that should be part of your plan development.

2195
02:49:42,225 --> 02:49:46,065
um, and so I really wanna make sure, and then the, the

2196
02:49:46,285 --> 02:49:49,445
person that it shouldn't be blocked out, okay, parcel by parcel has to be bought

2197
02:49:50,345 --> 02:49:53,765
and then each one, each parcel gets, gets developed differently by a different developer.

2198
02:49:54,425 --> 02:49:58,365
no, it needs to be planned out so that holistically gets developed maybe by

2199
02:49:58,645 --> 02:50:02,525
a single developer. Let's work on that. The other

2200
02:50:02,765 --> 02:50:06,745
area in that transit area, because the, uh, touching that little circle that's

2201
02:50:07,165 --> 02:50:11,125
going around is, okay, this is absolute rule, okay? If it touches that little circle, it gets to include it if it

2202
02:50:11,205 --> 02:50:14,455
doesn't touch it. And so it makes it kind of weird shape to that areas.

2203
02:50:15,345 --> 02:50:19,305
if we're going to include most of it, there's a couple properties not in there, let's go ahead and,

2204
02:50:19,665 --> 02:50:23,405
and let's try to include those properties and allow that to make it a more uniform

2205
02:50:24,145 --> 02:50:27,915
so they have choices on those properties to join or not join into

2206
02:50:28,205 --> 02:50:32,155
this, the transit so that they can do things or whether they can develop even into

2207
02:50:32,635 --> 02:50:36,565
turn into retail. 'cause it's right there on the edge there. Um, for these private properties,

2208
02:50:37,085 --> 02:50:41,025
they're, they're stuck there. It's like, okay, I've got this farmstead and, and

2209
02:50:41,245 --> 02:50:44,985
I'm surrounded by these five story buildings are all around me. You destroyed my, my,

2210
02:50:45,265 --> 02:50:48,885
my living habitat and yet you're now allowing me to do it and sell my

2211
02:50:49,285 --> 02:50:53,125
property to do the same thing. So let's make sure that all those properties in that

2212
02:50:53,335 --> 02:50:56,645
block of right by on, on that eli road, there's two or three of those parcels

2213
02:50:57,585 --> 02:51:01,525
not included. Let's get those included. So it's blocked out as to what

2214
02:51:01,725 --> 02:51:05,585
it actually does and or transition or, or back off. But

2215
02:51:05,805 --> 02:51:09,645
it needs to be, um, uh, shaped so that those property owners also have

2216
02:51:09,915 --> 02:51:13,845
options for their future, otherwise they are stuck in a place where they

2217
02:51:14,085 --> 02:51:17,765
don't want to live anymore. Right? Okay. So that's the area there.

2218
02:51:18,625 --> 02:51:22,485
um, uh, just as a comment, uh, just really look at the

2219
02:51:22,685 --> 02:51:26,425
2013 master plan for the transit. I think there's a lot of stuff that you

2220
02:51:26,955 --> 02:51:30,755
used in your plans. I think you looked at it, there's a lot of, um, wednesday

2221
02:51:31,365 --> 02:51:35,085
copying, but a lot of use. You use a lot of the same language and concepts and ideas.

2222
02:51:35,425 --> 02:51:39,325
so that was a really good report. So look at it again and make sure those are included in that.

2223
02:51:40,025 --> 02:51:43,745
and maybe even let's copy some of that for even our

2224
02:51:44,325 --> 02:51:48,205
downtown station. Also. Maybe we can even just say, oh, let's just copy it down there and let's

2225
02:51:48,405 --> 02:51:52,035
do the same thing, uh, for the downtown to kind of upgrade the whole master plan

2226
02:51:52,425 --> 02:51:56,345
for the smart stations while you're doing this. That's, that's just like, could ai

2227
02:51:56,565 --> 02:52:00,125
just do that automatically develop your report? Let's copy it for the downtown,

2228
02:52:00,705 --> 02:52:04,285
do it. Thank you. Five minutes, seconds later, it's done. Deal. Can you do that?

2229
02:52:05,105 --> 02:52:09,045
so whatever. Um, then on the, um, okay, then

2230
02:52:09,225 --> 02:52:12,425
I'm looking at the district. Okay, it's almost all in district one,

2231
02:52:13,455 --> 02:52:17,365
councilman j canada thompson may have to go out to a thousand more

2232
02:52:17,605 --> 02:52:21,335
homes to, to do it if it stays in district one. So maybe

2233
02:52:21,705 --> 02:52:25,695
we need to divide that out and push out, so eventually, not this round,

2234
02:52:26,385 --> 02:52:29,925
but plan out maybe for the next round of voting in four years from that,

2235
02:52:30,545 --> 02:52:34,405
as people move in, we're going to have to redistrict our voting for districts,

2236
02:52:34,745 --> 02:52:38,685
uh, one, two, and then probably six across the way. Have to shift the

2237
02:52:38,885 --> 02:52:42,785
lines a little bit to accommodate that large population growth in

2238
02:52:43,005 --> 02:52:46,925
that area. So think about that as you're doing this, thinking about who's gonna

2239
02:52:47,085 --> 02:52:51,005
live there, how many folks are gonna live there, and how we actually divide up the folks by voting district

2240
02:52:51,465 --> 02:52:55,385
and school district. Seems like a lot of folks will go to the law, make sure we

2241
02:52:55,605 --> 02:52:59,595
have law principal and superintendent for the school district really engaged,

2242
02:53:00,365 --> 02:53:04,325
involved in how he's going to take over these students and plan ahead does is his schools

2243
02:53:05,315 --> 02:53:09,285
capable of, of absorbing that many young people. If young people move into

2244
02:53:09,485 --> 02:53:13,445
this place, I'm not sure he has the capacity to do that, so let's make sure

2245
02:53:13,605 --> 02:53:17,545
that happens. I didn't see anything about the school system supporting the,

2246
02:53:17,765 --> 02:53:21,765
the, the population density. Um, there, there was a,

2247
02:53:21,905 --> 02:53:25,845
um, uh, what was mentioned was actually building a sidewalk and bike path on washington

2248
02:53:27,075 --> 02:53:31,045
just east of, uh, mcdowell. So there was one little line mentioned

2249
02:53:31,365 --> 02:53:35,005
there. You even showed a picture of that particular corridor in your, in your slideshow here.

2250
02:53:35,865 --> 02:53:39,245
um, but you mentioned it, but you didn't say how that might

2251
02:53:39,885 --> 02:53:43,605
actually work. So you have to transform washington street in that section

2252
02:53:44,425 --> 02:53:48,405
and that whole ditch in that section and how are you going to, how are you gonna actually put in a bike

2253
02:53:48,565 --> 02:53:52,205
path and, and a sidewalk and make that work

2254
02:53:52,855 --> 02:53:56,725
right into that intersection to get people from our, from the area where

2255
02:53:56,965 --> 02:54:00,865
I live, right? Right there down into the malls. So

2256
02:54:01,085 --> 02:54:04,925
that was a concern that I had. Um, and then there was another one of

2257
02:54:05,125 --> 02:54:09,005
the bike path you listed out that actually going across lynch creek where there is no

2258
02:54:09,165 --> 02:54:13,015
bridge. So do we need to build a bridge? And that's location that you're located

2259
02:54:13,375 --> 02:54:17,215
on your maps because you have a line dotted line. It's gonna go from here right across

2260
02:54:17,615 --> 02:54:21,435
lynch creek, right into the, uh, housing development there, creekside, and

2261
02:54:21,655 --> 02:54:25,535
then, and then turn around and come on down and, and get across, uh, mcdowell washington

2262
02:54:25,895 --> 02:54:29,575
intersection so I can see them on, on a couple of the streets. That

2263
02:54:29,945 --> 02:54:33,775
might work if it's a side streets, but you have it going right through a housing development

2264
02:54:34,475 --> 02:54:38,135
and, and over a creek that there's where there's no bridge right now. So how does that

2265
02:54:38,495 --> 02:54:42,115
actually work? Uh, so make sure you get, you clear that up. Um,

2266
02:54:43,115 --> 02:54:47,055
at the smart station, uh, especially near meridian, the meridian is going to

2267
02:54:47,175 --> 02:54:50,855
have a little bit of like a store or something, a little gathering spaces there, but mostly for the

2268
02:54:51,255 --> 02:54:55,075
residents. And how are you going to, I looked at your slides, beautiful slides of

2269
02:54:55,295 --> 02:54:59,275
what a makerspace and not makerspace, but a gathering spots around

2270
02:54:59,695 --> 02:55:03,585
the smart station might look like. Where is that actually gonna

2271
02:55:03,865 --> 02:55:07,745
go? What actual space is that gonna fit in? Is it gonna be on the other

2272
02:55:07,905 --> 02:55:11,665
side of the tracks? Is it gonna be part of the meridian property? Is it gonna be part of the

2273
02:55:12,025 --> 02:55:16,025
triangle that's there? So why, where exactly can that space that you show

2274
02:55:16,185 --> 02:55:20,165
these beautiful settings where people are gathering, what does that actually look like in

2275
02:55:20,385 --> 02:55:23,945
that space? What does it shape? Is it gonna be this long

2276
02:55:24,515 --> 02:55:28,435
trek of these separate little buildings? And how are people actually going to get there to that spot

2277
02:55:28,675 --> 02:55:32,075
because the train tracks are right there. So you've prevented an idea,

2278
02:55:32,855 --> 02:55:36,755
but I don't see the how to implement it in the actual space that exists

2279
02:55:37,075 --> 02:55:40,545
there. So nice words. I wanna see implementation process

2280
02:55:41,295 --> 02:55:45,115
as part of your plan that's part of that station to make it so that people get off

2281
02:55:45,315 --> 02:55:49,155
the train and how do they physically get across the tracks or, or down down the, the

2282
02:55:49,355 --> 02:55:53,255
path to wherever this space is and who else is going to be there to

2283
02:55:53,475 --> 02:55:56,315
gather. So a nice concept, what's what's the reality

2284
02:55:57,595 --> 02:56:01,475
reaction gonna look like, right? So make it make it more real because you have lots

2285
02:56:01,715 --> 02:56:05,195
of nice words in this whole plan, all these beautiful things that you're going to produce,

2286
02:56:05,895 --> 02:56:09,755
but the implementation, I'm going, huh, how so I wanna

2287
02:56:09,915 --> 02:56:13,235
see a lot in your plan, how and where exactly you're gonna put something.

2288
02:56:14,215 --> 02:56:18,155
um, same thing with the, that goes down to where, um, you go to the

2289
02:56:18,235 --> 02:56:22,215
health district where you're gonna transform maybe the, uh, the plaza a little bit and

2290
02:56:22,435 --> 02:56:26,155
that and uh, uh, rainier road as it crosses, um, under rainier because

2291
02:56:26,635 --> 02:56:30,595
there is a proposal for a, um, some development across the freeway.

2292
02:56:31,415 --> 02:56:35,375
so how are you going to tie that into that section across rainier and

2293
02:56:35,675 --> 02:56:39,675
there's spaces there, the dog park right there. Uh, is that gonna transform

2294
02:56:39,875 --> 02:56:43,745
or not? You didn't even mention the dog park and what that might turn into. So where's

2295
02:56:44,235 --> 02:56:48,075
that go? What's happening there? So, um, and that road and what, how rainier

2296
02:56:48,435 --> 02:56:52,075
is, so if that development goes in or not goes in assuming it, it's gonna eventually

2297
02:56:52,535 --> 02:56:56,495
go in. Um, if, if that's gonna be the part of the plan. Uh,

2298
02:56:56,875 --> 02:57:00,735
'cause that's what's in the books, what's being proposed now, it's, it's sort of been been asked for.

2299
02:57:01,575 --> 02:57:05,555
so how are you going to incorporate that into this whole system? Because you're gonna have a bunch

2300
02:57:05,675 --> 02:57:09,555
of housing across that freeway in, in the plants, but it, it's not in your plans.

2301
02:57:10,175 --> 02:57:14,075
so please add it, make sure it's there and how, how are you gonna connect it

2302
02:57:14,235 --> 02:57:17,995
all and make those people happy and what they come across and how are they going to gather

2303
02:57:18,375 --> 02:57:22,035
and participate in all this? Um, and then, um, there's

2304
02:57:22,435 --> 02:57:26,275
of course connecting that. And then there's all the bike path we want to produce in the whole greenway area there,

2305
02:57:26,605 --> 02:57:30,195
which I think should be part of your plan, uh, since you're so close to the freeway.

2306
02:57:30,615 --> 02:57:34,595
but that, that may not be part of your, um, mission. 'cause the line where the lines

2307
02:57:34,755 --> 02:57:38,595
are drawn. Um, there wasn't much talk about, um, how you're

2308
02:57:38,835 --> 02:57:42,635
going to get the, um, the other forms of transit besides just

2309
02:57:42,925 --> 02:57:46,885
buses going and the train going. There's gonna be a whole lot of, um, where

2310
02:57:47,235 --> 02:57:50,795
we're gonna be be moving into autonomous vehicles, shared ride vehicles,

2311
02:57:51,735 --> 02:57:55,495
uh, various, uh, electrified handicapped vehicles coming in.

2312
02:57:56,025 --> 02:57:59,915
wheelchairs included, encapsulated, uh, compartments. But there's very

2313
02:58:00,195 --> 02:58:03,845
little discussion on how you're going to incorporate all of that type of

2314
02:58:04,205 --> 02:58:08,045
movement. You included pedestrians and bikes, but you didn't include, include handicap

2315
02:58:08,745 --> 02:58:12,545
and you didn't include, uh, microcar or autonomous vehicles. Um,

2316
02:58:13,745 --> 02:58:17,435
and, um, uh, so there's, there's forward thinking. The, um, there's,

2317
02:58:17,925 --> 02:58:21,765
even if you really wanna look forward at calistoga recently, they had,

2318
02:58:22,265 --> 02:58:26,125
um, um, a data center that was proposed. Part of the data center

2319
02:58:26,465 --> 02:58:29,885
was an autonomous drone to carry people around as part of that project

2320
02:58:31,065 --> 02:58:34,725
in calistoga that was just proposed to calistoga, which included that type of

2321
02:58:35,105 --> 02:58:39,045
modern transport. Um, so, but that, that's a whole

2322
02:58:39,205 --> 02:58:43,095
nother topic there to think about, but how are you gonna include autonomous vehicles, buses

2323
02:58:43,625 --> 02:58:47,435
and cars that are coming as part of the transit

2324
02:58:48,565 --> 02:58:52,525
oriented community so that they can get from there to the other areas where

2325
02:58:52,765 --> 02:58:56,745
they're going to work and back home again. So, so

2326
02:58:56,965 --> 02:58:59,545
that has those concepts need to be included. Um,

2327
02:59:01,585 --> 02:59:05,015
and then the other one is on the, uh, you had nice ideas about the maker space,

2328
02:59:05,825 --> 02:59:09,805
but if you go down there, am I riding my bike down there? I've visited some of the industries. I've actually bought things

2329
02:59:10,005 --> 02:59:13,725
that in those industrial park di in that whole section, and it's pretty industrial

2330
02:59:14,355 --> 02:59:18,325
looking. A lot of maker shops that are pretty, uh, the buildings are very,

2331
02:59:19,425 --> 02:59:23,265
um, um, they're, they're a little bit squareish and, and,

2332
02:59:23,585 --> 02:59:27,365
and so they don't look as friendly and a nice, there isn't. Uh, there's very little nice you have, uh,

2333
02:59:27,825 --> 02:59:31,685
um, the farm stand there, which is, uh, for the marijuana that's being retailed,

2334
02:59:32,675 --> 02:59:36,565
it'd be really nice if there was a, a, a cafe, a marijuana cafe

2335
02:59:36,895 --> 02:59:40,705
added next door maybe that they could convert and, and do something with. So

2336
02:59:41,065 --> 02:59:44,965
the needs gathering spot. I know griffo, I've been there a couple times to events and they're

2337
02:59:45,245 --> 02:59:49,005
trying their best to create that into a event type area, but it's not really that

2338
02:59:49,565 --> 02:59:53,305
friendly to get there and do things there. So how are you actually going to

2339
02:59:54,665 --> 02:59:58,485
put the words you're saying about making this huge makerspace all this beautiful stuff

2340
02:59:58,685 --> 03:00:02,645
so that all these beautiful buildings you sewed doesn't look like that at all? How are

2341
03:00:02,725 --> 03:00:06,585
you gonna make that happen and how are you gonna get people to actually make it work to

2342
03:00:06,805 --> 03:00:10,335
get there and back again? You have a lot of great theories and, and hopes

2343
03:00:10,885 --> 03:00:14,885
and dreams. I'm talking about conversion in reality here for a

2344
03:00:14,965 --> 03:00:18,795
lot of this stuff. Okay. Um, alright,

2345
03:00:19,465 --> 03:00:23,445
that's actually my list. And will you be able to submit the

2346
03:00:23,605 --> 03:00:27,485
list so that uh, we can, um, well, well, well, you see is handwritten yeah, yeah.

2347
03:00:27,855 --> 03:00:31,845
brainstorm ideas. But if, if you want me to type turn it in. Do you like me to type this up for you?

2348
03:00:32,205 --> 03:00:35,965
? I think it would be actually helpful to get the con context. Okay. I get context.

2349
03:00:36,445 --> 03:00:39,125
I can type this all up. Um, thank you.

2350
03:00:40,865 --> 03:00:44,225
um, I think I, you know, I, I was gonna jump in here for a minute and

2351
03:00:45,405 --> 03:00:49,305
I, one of the things I heard from the council is that, uh, the

2352
03:00:49,525 --> 03:00:53,405
plan looks lovely. Um, there's, I mean, the vision side of it is

2353
03:00:53,565 --> 03:00:57,285
really bold and, and good stuff, but my mind being

2354
03:00:57,625 --> 03:01:01,605
the engineer is, is like, well, how do we recruit the investment that fulfills the

2355
03:01:01,805 --> 03:01:05,635
vision? You know, where's, where are the tools that connect? Um, many

2356
03:01:05,925 --> 03:01:09,415
of the things I think the public feedback in is really a referendum

2357
03:01:10,085 --> 03:01:13,745
on what's good and what's not good in my community at this time. And, and

2358
03:01:14,145 --> 03:01:17,615
the remedy being asked is fix what's already wrong.

2359
03:01:18,465 --> 03:01:22,245
and, um, that's, that's difficult for a futuristic plan

2360
03:01:22,745 --> 03:01:26,725
to address a retroactively a problem, but that's what the public kind of

2361
03:01:26,855 --> 03:01:30,445
wants to hear. Um, many of the things like, uh, stormwater improvements

2362
03:01:30,885 --> 03:01:34,825
in front of the shopping center, um, the green stitches that we called them, um,

2363
03:01:35,905 --> 03:01:39,465
you know, if there was redevelopment, if there was a residential property, uh,

2364
03:01:40,245 --> 03:01:44,045
proposal onto that, we could nick them. But I think

2365
03:01:44,285 --> 03:01:48,245
that, um, the street is the high end, so property water

2366
03:01:48,485 --> 03:01:52,445
doesn't drain to that side. All of their stormwater improvements would be towards the freeway side of

2367
03:01:52,525 --> 03:01:56,365
the property. And, um, so it would be treating street water, which would

2368
03:01:56,565 --> 03:02:00,465
be awesome because that's where the crap is that you want to filter in

2369
03:02:00,685 --> 03:02:04,105
your bio retention soils. And, um, but

2370
03:02:04,985 --> 03:02:08,925
all of that is city subsidy. All that is

2371
03:02:09,125 --> 03:02:13,005
fixing it retroactively. And so it bothers me, the plan focuses so much

2372
03:02:13,225 --> 03:02:17,135
on that. 'cause the more we focus on that, the more interested we'll

2373
03:02:17,485 --> 03:02:21,385
be to put that burden on developers. And the more we put it on the developers, the

2374
03:02:21,605 --> 03:02:25,445
less likely that any of the vision comes true, because we burdened a developer with

2375
03:02:25,685 --> 03:02:29,275
the historic problem. So I would love to see policy that clearly distinguishes

2376
03:02:30,995 --> 03:02:34,905
that the improvement makes things, makes itself

2377
03:02:35,325 --> 03:02:39,245
better, but doesn't maybe go into the community. And it has to be explained

2378
03:02:39,565 --> 03:02:43,365
to the public why that those two things can't happen at the same time.

2379
03:02:45,065 --> 03:02:48,865
um, but, um, I, I think also the big assumption

2380
03:02:49,185 --> 03:02:53,025
is, is that, uh, we're creating something that will happen. That there

2381
03:02:53,225 --> 03:02:56,905
will be growth because of this and maybe lots of growth because of this.

2382
03:02:57,585 --> 03:03:01,585
I, I, I'm not that optimistic. I think the plans, we've done

2383
03:03:01,705 --> 03:03:05,065
many, many quality plans, but they disconnect

2384
03:03:06,095 --> 03:03:09,805
with the abilities of developers to, um,

2385
03:03:10,765 --> 03:03:14,585
change. And, um, those ugly tilt up warehouses we

2386
03:03:14,785 --> 03:03:18,645
look at there, griffo's doing something inside of it, but there's essentially no

2387
03:03:18,975 --> 03:03:22,945
outside, uh, beneficial rollout. So he gets the maker

2388
03:03:23,035 --> 03:03:26,305
space and his business does well and that, and that's good,

2389
03:03:27,245 --> 03:03:31,145
but to tear down the one next to it to have a courtyard is highly unlikely.

2390
03:03:32,375 --> 03:03:35,895
we would visualize that , we would like to have that. But

2391
03:03:36,455 --> 03:03:40,325
the way retrofits works, I don't, I I see the more modest

2392
03:03:40,645 --> 03:03:44,045
things happening rather than the, the bold. I think

2393
03:03:45,235 --> 03:03:48,905
then the question is, is does the city stake out the intent for

2394
03:03:49,265 --> 03:03:53,165
the city to be bold? You know, um, a lot of these, uh,

2395
03:03:53,435 --> 03:03:56,925
could form assessment districts, you know, uh, redevelopment

2396
03:03:57,565 --> 03:04:01,345
districts, uh, a red district, you know, um, uh,

2397
03:04:02,795 --> 03:04:06,775
redevelopment, um, 0.2. So, um, you

2398
03:04:06,995 --> 03:04:10,955
know, what are the, what are the chances that business owners would get together and do a thing?

2399
03:04:11,455 --> 03:04:15,025
and those are kind of the conversations that I feel need to be had and,

2400
03:04:15,545 --> 03:04:18,585
and, uh, maybe aren't, uh, fully fleshed out yet.

2401
03:04:20,115 --> 03:04:21,715
when we talk about the annexation area,

2402
03:04:24,175 --> 03:04:27,565
um, I think that we are pushing

2403
03:04:28,225 --> 03:04:32,175
urban or at the station into rural, away from the

2404
03:04:32,295 --> 03:04:35,775
station, and there needs to be a tapering or a, a transition.

2405
03:04:36,795 --> 03:04:40,725
so I would assume there'd be parklands at the perimeter of that arc that

2406
03:04:41,015 --> 03:04:44,855
are clearly identified. And right now it looks like streets carve up the hole of the,

2407
03:04:45,195 --> 03:04:48,255
the circle. And I think we could be more specific that

2408
03:04:49,845 --> 03:04:53,595
more density stays near the existing road corona

2409
03:04:54,595 --> 03:04:57,415
and it tapers out, which would mean it tapers out towards,

2410
03:04:58,715 --> 03:05:02,605
um, eli and doesn't connect

2411
03:05:03,095 --> 03:05:06,625
to eli. And if there were more park lands

2412
03:05:07,225 --> 03:05:10,975
along the trail there, would that even be an, an, um, an annexation

2413
03:05:12,155 --> 03:05:16,135
or would the city and we should identify to people whether a park owner

2414
03:05:16,375 --> 03:05:19,215
would arise, or it would be

2415
03:05:20,955 --> 03:05:24,955
a landscape assessment district that, um, that has the

2416
03:05:25,155 --> 03:05:29,035
perimeter of that circle area. You know, we need to figure out

2417
03:05:29,285 --> 03:05:33,155
ownerships while we're, while we're making a vision, let's figure

2418
03:05:33,375 --> 03:05:37,255
out who's really gonna be burdened by or benefited by

2419
03:05:37,885 --> 03:05:41,735
those decisions. Um, I concur on the, the

2420
03:05:41,955 --> 03:05:45,955
freight con, uh, conditions along mcdowell. We had this discussion there, but again,

2421
03:05:46,515 --> 03:05:49,835
I would suggest that it's more nuanced than that.

2422
03:05:50,905 --> 03:05:53,915
um, there's a dense business community at both ends

2423
03:05:55,275 --> 03:05:58,855
of, uh, this study zone, but in the middle, it's a dense residential

2424
03:05:59,455 --> 03:06:03,215
area, and I would rather that trucking didn't go

2425
03:06:03,645 --> 03:06:07,295
from one commercial area through the residential into the next commercial

2426
03:06:08,205 --> 03:06:12,135
with that. And I think that can be done by, um, tapering

2427
03:06:12,965 --> 03:06:16,815
road width in there. So it was obvious if you come off washington, you return

2428
03:06:17,095 --> 03:06:20,595
to washington. If you come off old redwood, you return to old redwood and

2429
03:06:21,275 --> 03:06:25,195
you want to do it where you don't impinge on the businesses. You, you're

2430
03:06:26,055 --> 03:06:29,845
sensitive to the comment they made about good freight, but you're also

2431
03:06:30,285 --> 03:06:34,165
sensitive to the fact that maybe traffic counts in that middle part would allow for a narrower

2432
03:06:34,525 --> 03:06:38,485
road and the narrower road would encourage trucks not to come

2433
03:06:38,645 --> 03:06:41,945
through that area. Um,

2434
03:06:42,665 --> 03:06:46,185
and a general plan comment that I've made a number of times is

2435
03:06:46,685 --> 03:06:50,655
that I worry we're losing, um, grocery store

2436
03:06:51,435 --> 03:06:55,265
potential. When we talk about, when we talk about, um,

2437
03:06:56,505 --> 03:07:00,315
how to redevelop an area. If someone, like,

2438
03:07:00,605 --> 03:07:04,145
say they're doing down in san rafael proposing a big housing project on top of

2439
03:07:05,085 --> 03:07:09,045
a safeway, well then you are creating a food ghetto. And the same can be said

2440
03:07:09,305 --> 03:07:12,915
of other types of use in that area. So when we

2441
03:07:13,355 --> 03:07:17,135
call something maker, I mean, I really appreciate that we're identifying it and

2442
03:07:17,375 --> 03:07:20,295
zoning it kind of away from those non those use.

2443
03:07:21,535 --> 03:07:24,355
are we zoning in any food for the residential?

2444
03:07:26,295 --> 03:07:30,115
and, and again, not just the pretty picture, but why would anyone do that?

2445
03:07:30,715 --> 03:07:34,125
I mean, or put differently, what's the investment motivation?

2446
03:07:37,455 --> 03:07:41,205
um, there were discussions, uh, about stakeholder input

2447
03:07:41,575 --> 03:07:44,735
and things and uh, and I want to make sure that, um,

2448
03:07:45,615 --> 03:07:49,425
our nonprofit affordable housing partners are consulted. Each

2449
03:07:49,715 --> 03:07:53,585
of them has a different model. Some, some suggest, um, that

2450
03:07:53,875 --> 03:07:57,715
50 units is a buildable space. Others are saying n no, at this point, a hundred

2451
03:07:57,975 --> 03:08:01,845
is the minimum buildable space. It's important that we achieve affordable

2452
03:08:02,515 --> 03:08:06,495
housing. I think the only way we can do that is if we talk to those folks

2453
03:08:06,825 --> 03:08:10,675
about the different models and find out which one might work. And

2454
03:08:11,005 --> 03:08:13,755
some of this zone, um,

2455
03:08:15,465 --> 03:08:19,325
I, I did like, uh, council member sch shrimp's comment on, uh, manufactured homes, but,

2456
03:08:20,365 --> 03:08:24,185
um, and there's a real nice one in kadi where they, they,

2457
03:08:24,525 --> 03:08:28,405
the city had a little property and they put, they dropped in five houses real quick, uh, for

2458
03:08:28,625 --> 03:08:31,045
affordable housing, right on east ka. Um,

2459
03:08:32,845 --> 03:08:36,845
how do we zone that? How do we objective design then? How

2460
03:08:37,065 --> 03:08:40,415
does, how does that get in where that's a good thing?

2461
03:08:42,965 --> 03:08:46,655
partially, I'm asking because you don't know which property is interested in what development.

2462
03:08:47,195 --> 03:08:50,565
so how do you put a pallet out? And I think I'll

2463
03:08:51,495 --> 03:08:55,435
actually ask that one as a question. You know, of all the things we're doing, how

2464
03:08:55,655 --> 03:08:59,475
do we make sure they're attractive? How do we recruit the

2465
03:08:59,695 --> 03:08:59,695
investment?

2466
03:09:05,545 --> 03:09:09,485
um, I can, I can start, I don't know that example. Um, I don't

2467
03:09:09,685 --> 03:09:13,525
know how it would comply with whatever the existing,

2468
03:09:13,995 --> 03:09:17,755
like zoning was there. Um, I think there's

2469
03:09:18,685 --> 03:09:22,605
a lot of opportunity with a specific plan to get creative. Um, I

2470
03:09:22,725 --> 03:09:26,425
think what we also, I, I mean it's very heartening to hear, I'm sensing an

2471
03:09:26,845 --> 03:09:30,405
interest in trying things differently, um, because there's a desire

2472
03:09:30,865 --> 03:09:34,705
to maybe see some different outcomes and not just keep rolling the dice and see

2473
03:09:34,925 --> 03:09:38,005
what happens. So I think this is actually a really good opportunity.

2474
03:09:39,185 --> 03:09:42,685
um, I think in terms of, um, sort of creative housing production

2475
03:09:43,295 --> 03:09:47,005
types, um, I think it's a question of like, how much do you need the

2476
03:09:47,405 --> 03:09:51,165
specific plan to actually codify like different standards for development

2477
03:09:51,665 --> 03:09:55,445
versus just having be, you know, the city having better

2478
03:09:55,725 --> 03:09:59,675
conversa d different types of conversations with developers, sort of get gauging

2479
03:10:00,405 --> 03:10:04,285
interest, understanding what are their pain points. Um, I would want to

2480
03:10:04,485 --> 03:10:08,485
think about dense, like if we look at the specific plan and what tools are available there, we could think about density.

2481
03:10:09,545 --> 03:10:13,245
are there sort of thresholds that are just not working for those types of products?

2482
03:10:14,105 --> 03:10:17,845
um, it oftentimes with those, I I, I don't, again, I don't know exactly

2483
03:10:18,165 --> 03:10:22,165
what this project is, but sometimes, um, looks can be deceiving. And so

2484
03:10:22,325 --> 03:10:26,305
you can have, um, these types of manufactured, um, or sort of, uh, uh,

2485
03:10:26,795 --> 03:10:30,555
sort of pre-designed, you know, offsite products that are brought in. They're

2486
03:10:31,045 --> 03:10:34,825
very, very dense. Um, and so they might not be compliant with, um,

2487
03:10:35,715 --> 03:10:39,525
density thresholds, even though they are single family, you know, they're very small

2488
03:10:39,905 --> 03:10:43,665
lot, they might be stacked units. And so while they look like, um,

2489
03:10:44,495 --> 03:10:48,465
great, you know, sort of modest density, um, they, they might not

2490
03:10:48,925 --> 03:10:52,745
be. And so they might not be compliant with, with some of the, the density thresholds that exist. So

2491
03:10:53,245 --> 03:10:57,205
I would, I would, we'd need to look at that, but this is very much the kind of thing that

2492
03:10:57,565 --> 03:11:01,445
I would perkins and well would love to bring forward into a specific plan, like if there's appetite

2493
03:11:01,645 --> 03:11:03,845
for this. Um, that's something that, that is very exciting to us,

2494
03:11:05,895 --> 03:11:09,815
I guess. Um, thank you. And that's, you know, you're right. It's, uh, it's about being

2495
03:11:10,255 --> 03:11:14,135
creative and, and it's about the partnerships that get formed between different developers

2496
03:11:14,795 --> 03:11:18,775
and different property owners. Um, I guess my question is, I, which

2497
03:11:19,095 --> 03:11:23,035
I asked, uh, in council questions to staff early, um, can

2498
03:11:23,255 --> 03:11:27,145
we get anything to entitlement or a by right level?

2499
03:11:28,275 --> 03:11:31,695
so much of development is, um, challenged

2500
03:11:32,395 --> 03:11:36,195
by not knowing exactly what this means. And I think the better

2501
03:11:36,715 --> 03:11:40,505
the vision, um, appears, the

2502
03:11:40,725 --> 03:11:44,445
less the vision is specific, and it leaves us in a,

2503
03:11:44,745 --> 03:11:48,405
it leaves a developer in a place where they're uncertain of a project.

2504
03:11:49,225 --> 03:11:53,125
and, you know, our growth rate has been quite slow. We have not built many houses

2505
03:11:53,475 --> 03:11:57,465
like 99 houses last year, of which only 30 were market rate. So,

2506
03:11:58,305 --> 03:12:01,685
um, what do, what do we do to get

2507
03:12:02,345 --> 03:12:05,925
it very specific on the properties? What can be built

2508
03:12:06,545 --> 03:12:09,245
and what are the hurdles that we should be trying to solve here?

2509
03:12:12,265 --> 03:12:16,165
that's a, I think, a really important question. And it's, it's a question that we're asking,

2510
03:12:16,585 --> 03:12:20,525
not just of the specific, of this specific plan project. We'll also be asking

2511
03:12:20,685 --> 03:12:24,505
that same question of the downtown station area, um,

2512
03:12:24,915 --> 03:12:28,745
transit oriented communities update project, and we're asking it through the

2513
03:12:29,525 --> 03:12:33,205
petaluma zoning reform project. So I think it's one certainly that

2514
03:12:33,565 --> 03:12:37,205
I, and, and several others are thinking about and talking about on a daily

2515
03:12:37,615 --> 03:12:41,225
basis. I, I think that a, a strong

2516
03:12:41,645 --> 03:12:45,325
vision is important. You, you want to have a vision that inspires,

2517
03:12:46,345 --> 03:12:49,845
you want to have a vision that encourages people to invest.

2518
03:12:50,465 --> 03:12:54,245
you know, to your point, um, how, how do we get people to invest?

2519
03:12:54,795 --> 03:12:58,705
part of that is because they see that you're very committed to the future of

2520
03:12:58,925 --> 03:13:02,685
an area through your vision and, um, through your,

2521
03:13:03,035 --> 03:13:06,925
your policies and such. However, I I think

2522
03:13:07,085 --> 03:13:10,965
that some of the conversation we have to have through zoning reform and through

2523
03:13:11,125 --> 03:13:15,105
these other projects is how, how do

2524
03:13:15,265 --> 03:13:19,125
you set forth what you want, but not to such exquisite detail

2525
03:13:20,255 --> 03:13:24,085
that it can't be achieved. And so I, and

2526
03:13:24,305 --> 03:13:28,025
perhaps a great example of that is when we look at the downtown smart station

2527
03:13:29,165 --> 03:13:32,615
and the work that was done in the 2013 tod master plan

2528
03:13:33,415 --> 03:13:37,365
that was very highly specific about what was wanted for the

2529
03:13:37,585 --> 03:13:41,465
smart site. And if that is what is established as the community's

2530
03:13:42,065 --> 03:13:44,775
vision for that site and the community's expectation,

2531
03:13:46,285 --> 03:13:50,265
and a developer looks at that, then then the, the developer's making that

2532
03:13:50,745 --> 03:13:54,745
decision on the front end without ever consulting you, they're looking at it and saying, well,

2533
03:13:55,025 --> 03:13:58,985
that's not the product we develop, or that's, that's not going to pencil.

2534
03:13:59,885 --> 03:14:03,845
and so they're not even brought into it to explore further and to, to,

2535
03:14:04,285 --> 03:14:08,125
um, see if that's a project that they want to pursue. So

2536
03:14:08,345 --> 03:14:12,335
I do think it's finding that balance, it's creating those opportunities. It's having some

2537
03:14:12,625 --> 03:14:16,625
objective standards in place to make sure that you get, you know, some of the things that

2538
03:14:16,825 --> 03:14:20,465
you want. But then it's also indicating through your vision and through your policies

2539
03:14:20,895 --> 03:14:24,455
that you are flexible and that you are looking for those creative moments

2540
03:14:25,085 --> 03:14:29,065
and opportunities for people to invest in your community. Yeah, I

2541
03:14:29,185 --> 03:14:33,065
appreciate how well we've done that in the general plan. I'm just wondering, is there

2542
03:14:33,225 --> 03:14:37,225
a philosophical or a technical difference when you get to specific plan where you should

2543
03:14:37,385 --> 03:14:41,345
be trying to narrow that? So you do have specific investment

2544
03:14:42,385 --> 03:14:46,305
encouraged? Yes. Yes. I

2545
03:14:46,425 --> 03:14:50,245
mean, that's, that's the value of the specific plan is that we can start to

2546
03:14:50,475 --> 03:14:54,375
think about actual places and what are the sort of conditions that

2547
03:14:54,665 --> 03:14:58,425
seem to be evident there that then lend themselves to a certain development

2548
03:14:59,415 --> 03:15:02,765
type. Um, so we can establish things like scales,

2549
03:15:03,605 --> 03:15:07,405
um, you know, thinking about sort of how large blocks might want to be. And

2550
03:15:07,625 --> 03:15:11,185
those blocks should be sized to be thinking about a development type that can be self-park

2551
03:15:12,165 --> 03:15:15,625
or that, um, works well with other types of, um, like development

2552
03:15:16,305 --> 03:15:20,265
types that we see in the market today. Like we can sort of align ourselves to be

2553
03:15:20,385 --> 03:15:24,265
market ready. Um, and then what you're describing is like, we don't, we don't

2554
03:15:24,465 --> 03:15:28,425
need to just think about what's currently getting built because that's already outdated. , I mean, so much of like

2555
03:15:28,815 --> 03:15:32,705
what developers look at, they're looking at the past, like they don't have crystal balls. They don't,

2556
03:15:32,865 --> 03:15:36,735
they're very risk averse. Um, but what you're describing is people that want

2557
03:15:37,025 --> 03:15:40,705
to be creative and recognizing that this current system is not actually getting

2558
03:15:41,045 --> 03:15:45,025
us, um, the types of, um, new neighborhoods that we wanna see

2559
03:15:45,185 --> 03:15:49,085
that, that people wanna live in. There's a, there's a market for it, but maybe the market is not delivering on

2560
03:15:49,205 --> 03:15:53,035
that. So how can we then think about possibly, um, some strategies that

2561
03:15:53,325 --> 03:15:57,325
are, that are a little bit different? Um, so we'd need to look at that. I mean, the kati example you're

2562
03:15:57,645 --> 03:16:01,565
describing, I would love to look into that. I think there, there's definitely precedence that we can start

2563
03:16:01,805 --> 03:16:05,765
to, to think about. Um, but I think we also need to think about maybe what is the role

2564
03:16:05,885 --> 03:16:09,835
of this specific plan where it's sites or it's more specific, it's

2565
03:16:10,125 --> 03:16:14,085
more location specific, and then what needs to happen at a city level, at a

2566
03:16:14,205 --> 03:16:17,375
policy, you know, citywide policy level. And maybe it's finding some balance there.

2567
03:16:19,615 --> 03:16:22,865
thank you. Um, council member now.

2568
03:16:24,065 --> 03:16:27,705
um, thank you. Um, I have some land use

2569
03:16:28,685 --> 03:16:32,205
questions and I'm looking at the study session,

2570
03:16:33,795 --> 03:16:37,735
page 14 in that area right

2571
03:16:38,225 --> 03:16:41,485
across from the smart station,

2572
03:16:42,885 --> 03:16:46,485
there's a gold area that says higher intensity

2573
03:16:47,365 --> 03:16:50,325
residential. Can you tell me what

2574
03:16:51,435 --> 03:16:55,375
ha is that two story, three story? What, what are we talking about?

2575
03:16:55,755 --> 03:16:59,615
higher intensity residential. What are we, what are we thinking

2576
03:17:00,175 --> 03:17:03,695
about? Yes. So this, um, and I apologize

2577
03:17:04,375 --> 03:17:08,235
'cause we were sort of trying to like truncate the presentation . Right, I understand. But then I understand in

2578
03:17:08,455 --> 03:17:12,415
the process we've now made it longer underst to understand. Yeah. So I can, I can, um, I can

2579
03:17:12,535 --> 03:17:16,535
explain this. So what you're seeing on that slide, and I think I was sharing the screen

2580
03:17:16,655 --> 03:17:19,615
and now, now I'm, is it gold not, um, yes, it's a,

2581
03:17:20,845 --> 03:17:24,535
it's slide 41 computer so they can see what you're looking at.

2582
03:17:25,515 --> 03:17:29,455
do you wanna see what I'm looking at? Reha? Oh, reshare. Okay. It's the study

2583
03:17:29,695 --> 03:17:33,575
session. Oh, shoot. But I'm not, we got it. I know, but I'm

2584
03:17:33,775 --> 03:17:37,695
not sharing screen. Sorry. The study session planning commission. So I should 14?

2585
03:17:40,385 --> 03:17:44,155
yes. Uh, can you see it?

2586
03:17:46,125 --> 03:17:47,365
I can't see it attorneys wide.

2587
03:17:50,225 --> 03:17:54,085
it just has, it has a legend. And this on the left side

2588
03:17:54,325 --> 03:17:57,325
it says housing economic economy and place.

2589
03:17:59,025 --> 03:18:02,965
yes, yes, yes. Okay. So plan priorities. Yes.

2590
03:18:03,125 --> 03:18:07,105
walkable 15 minute community. Yep. You know, neighborhood. Um,

2591
03:18:07,385 --> 03:18:11,085
so think about this as we're wading into actual land use designations.

2592
03:18:11,705 --> 03:18:15,315
and so first it's just about sort of relative use and relative intensity.

2593
03:18:16,305 --> 03:18:19,845
and so that sort of marigold color that you're, you're correct. Highlighting.

2594
03:18:20,465 --> 03:18:24,445
yes. So the idea is that, um, is the area that is most

2595
03:18:24,795 --> 03:18:28,625
proximate to the station. Correct. And so we would, um, you

2596
03:18:28,845 --> 03:18:32,325
know, that's an opportunity to think about a higher intensity, but it's agnostic

2597
03:18:32,945 --> 03:18:36,845
to stories. Like when you're asking about is this three stories, is this four? This is

2598
03:18:36,965 --> 03:18:40,665
just thinking about overall we wanna see a bit more, um,

2599
03:18:41,315 --> 03:18:45,165
more, more intensity of use closer to the station and then it

2600
03:18:45,365 --> 03:18:49,285
feathers out. And then the idea exactly is that as you move further

2601
03:18:49,705 --> 03:18:53,625
out, that intensity would reduce. And then what you're seeing actually in

2602
03:18:53,845 --> 03:18:57,475
sort of a hatched sort of rim at the farthest edge

2603
03:18:57,905 --> 03:19:01,725
of the, um, plan area, the sort of green hatch, um, is this

2604
03:19:01,925 --> 03:19:05,885
idea of really a reestablishing a buffer land. Because

2605
03:19:06,315 --> 03:19:09,765
when we think about what this land is today, it's effectively,

2606
03:19:10,545 --> 03:19:14,005
um, it, it's so undeveloped that it really does serve as pretty significant

2607
03:19:14,595 --> 03:19:18,485
open space and transitional space between our more urbanized, you know, part

2608
03:19:18,725 --> 03:19:22,685
of petaluma, um, and, and the perimeter. Um, and so that

2609
03:19:22,985 --> 03:19:26,965
having that transitional space is, is really important for so many different reasons for fire,

2610
03:19:27,545 --> 03:19:31,485
for wildfire risk. Correct. Um, just in, from an ecological standpoint, how we think

2611
03:19:31,605 --> 03:19:35,165
about, I mean, petaluma is so well known for the urban growth boundary, right? Like

2612
03:19:35,665 --> 03:19:39,445
we need to maintain these, these thresholds and, and there's a reason for that.

2613
03:19:39,705 --> 03:19:43,685
and so, um, that, that is sort of the intent there is the feathering

2614
03:19:44,265 --> 03:19:48,115
or the sort of transitioning from the center out. So help

2615
03:19:48,405 --> 03:19:52,345
me with that. Is it zoned ag? Correct. Right now, um,

2616
03:19:52,985 --> 03:19:56,645
the entire unincorporated area, I believe is a mix of agricultural

2617
03:19:57,715 --> 03:20:01,605
residential. It's county, county land use designation. Okay. So it's a mix

2618
03:20:01,725 --> 03:20:05,565
of ag residential and, um, I think just very low density residential.

2619
03:20:06,245 --> 03:20:10,095
so what would the lot size be if we're, we're talking about single family homes,

2620
03:20:11,105 --> 03:20:15,035
are we, is it acreage or is it because

2621
03:20:15,545 --> 03:20:19,465
it can't be dense? 'cause we're feathering out. So what would the

2622
03:20:20,065 --> 03:20:24,005
parcel size be? So I might go to the next

2623
03:20:24,375 --> 03:20:28,185
where we actually show the land use designation. Does that make, so, um,

2624
03:20:28,675 --> 03:20:32,465
what you're seeing now on slide 52, it

2625
03:20:32,685 --> 03:20:36,325
says rural residential yeah. Would be sort of translating now the general

2626
03:20:36,835 --> 03:20:40,555
plan update land use designations, how could those potentially

2627
03:20:41,495 --> 03:20:45,245
apply here if we were to take those designations? And so the feathering that's

2628
03:20:45,525 --> 03:20:49,125
occurring, um, it starts with the town center mixed use, which is the purple

2629
03:20:49,635 --> 03:20:52,675
that you see, right? Um, and I believe that's a four story maximum.

2630
03:20:53,905 --> 03:20:57,235
um, it goes then to high, closer to the street, correct?

2631
03:20:58,025 --> 03:21:01,995
yes. Corona. Um, and, and most, you know, this is within like a five minute walk

2632
03:21:02,285 --> 03:21:06,125
of the station. So it's really thinking about, um, that proximity and then it

2633
03:21:06,325 --> 03:21:09,915
would feather, it could feather out to what is, um, high density residential

2634
03:21:10,605 --> 03:21:14,435
in the general plan, which is, I believe also four story maximum. Okay.

2635
03:21:14,725 --> 03:21:18,725
but again, um, it, the, what we maybe didn't sort of talk about enough

2636
03:21:19,025 --> 03:21:22,395
is the m-t-c-t-o-c policy, which establishes,

2637
03:21:23,185 --> 03:21:26,905
um, minimum densities that need to be sort of achieved in order to

2638
03:21:27,235 --> 03:21:30,725
stay available for, for future funding. So we have to stay within that framework, but it's an average.

2639
03:21:31,875 --> 03:21:35,685
okay. And so I think that's really, really critical to understand is that this is not

2640
03:21:35,955 --> 03:21:39,605
uniform monolithic. It's about how do we just maintain, um, what

2641
03:21:40,045 --> 03:21:43,985
mtc establishes is a 25 dwelling unit per acre average. Um,

2642
03:21:44,705 --> 03:21:48,405
and so that can be applied in many different types

2643
03:21:48,725 --> 03:21:52,615
of ways. Um, and it, that feathering approach that several people have mentioned feels

2644
03:21:52,965 --> 03:21:56,945
like right. A really good way to think about that, start higher and

2645
03:21:57,165 --> 03:22:00,445
then move out. Okay. Um, the other thing is the pathway.

2646
03:22:01,295 --> 03:22:05,245
would it go all the way to login lagunitas? I hear that complaint

2647
03:22:06,375 --> 03:22:09,915
quite a lot from people that are taking a smart up to go to lagunitas.

2648
03:22:10,755 --> 03:22:14,635
they don't wanna walk on mcdowell, they wanna walk on a nice

2649
03:22:15,075 --> 03:22:18,925
path. Sonoma has paths like that between I think their wineries

2650
03:22:19,625 --> 03:22:23,555
and, and, and subdivisions, and they

2651
03:22:23,875 --> 03:22:27,665
want to walk on that, you know, a bike. Yeah. And the

2652
03:22:27,975 --> 03:22:31,765
brody ranch residents, they also want to use a path that takes them

2653
03:22:32,305 --> 03:22:36,225
to lag anitas or in house across the street. So is

2654
03:22:36,445 --> 03:22:39,845
that path gonna go? So, um,

2655
03:22:41,445 --> 03:22:45,245
not maybe that, let me define the path. Okay. First of all, yes, we

2656
03:22:45,465 --> 03:22:49,105
definitely want people walking and biking to lag anitas that I think should be a goal goal overall.

2657
03:22:49,965 --> 03:22:53,865
um, and so right now, the smart pathway, the alignment, it's on the

2658
03:22:53,985 --> 03:22:57,685
other side of the smart rail from where the lag anitas parcel is,

2659
03:22:58,165 --> 03:23:02,105
and there's no, it's very difficult to punch through, you know, like how you would

2660
03:23:02,185 --> 03:23:06,105
bridge that or tunnel. So, um, what this plan could bring forward

2661
03:23:06,425 --> 03:23:10,185
though, um, is, uh, we could use some of the extra space

2662
03:23:10,575 --> 03:23:14,465
that is actually on the other, that is on the log anita side of the smart rail line.

2663
03:23:15,085 --> 03:23:18,985
um, there's actually city owned land that runs sort of, it's,

2664
03:23:19,225 --> 03:23:23,085
it's almost, we could think of it as like frontage. Um, it's like access space to

2665
03:23:23,305 --> 03:23:27,225
get to the smart path or to get to the smart rail. Um, and so we've been

2666
03:23:27,345 --> 03:23:30,665
looking at that as maybe an opportunity to basically create a second,

2667
03:23:31,445 --> 03:23:35,425
um, pathway that would be on the other side of the rail line that would get you right to log anita. It would get

2668
03:23:35,585 --> 03:23:39,505
you into the sort of industrial district. So people that are commuting, you know,

2669
03:23:39,645 --> 03:23:43,225
you could really imagine commuting, um, in a much more sort of human

2670
03:23:44,145 --> 03:23:48,025
oriented way. Um, but also potentially we could think about mcdowell

2671
03:23:48,765 --> 03:23:52,705
as, you know, if there was a ability to maybe redistribute a

2672
03:23:52,825 --> 03:23:56,665
little bit of space, it does not take much, um, to create a really viable

2673
03:23:57,455 --> 03:24:01,415
safe, um, uh, vertically separated is what we call them bike

2674
03:24:01,715 --> 03:24:05,645
paths. So you have some sort of physical barrier between the path of travel for

2675
03:24:05,865 --> 03:24:09,865
the bike and the cars. Um, that could also be an option. And maybe they both could be, you

2676
03:24:10,065 --> 03:24:13,825
know, I mean, I think like that's sort of what we're trying to bring forward is that, um, there's, there's

2677
03:24:14,145 --> 03:24:18,015
a lot of different spaces where we could imagine introducing that type of connection here,

2678
03:24:18,305 --> 03:24:21,705
especially north of corona. Yeah, I was happy to see that you had skippy's.

2679
03:24:22,565 --> 03:24:26,485
um, another area that, um, I have frequent is

2680
03:24:26,705 --> 03:24:30,625
there's a church hidden in that industrial area, attended

2681
03:24:30,945 --> 03:24:34,855
a few funerals, and as a community space, I've

2682
03:24:35,145 --> 03:24:39,025
seen, you know, people gather there. Um, and then

2683
03:24:39,185 --> 03:24:42,375
there's also a little hidden gem called central milling

2684
03:24:43,435 --> 03:24:47,015
that a lot of people come for bread flour

2685
03:24:47,585 --> 03:24:51,555
and for pizza flour and for cooking classes. So that,

2686
03:24:51,905 --> 03:24:55,635
that's another tourist draw up to this area, but it's

2687
03:24:55,925 --> 03:24:59,635
not really a walkable right now. So I'd like to really see some

2688
03:25:00,005 --> 03:25:03,925
walkable areas. And then of course, we have the pallets of fruit at the

2689
03:25:04,105 --> 03:25:07,625
far end. So anyway. Thank you. And, um,

2690
03:25:08,325 --> 03:25:09,605
I look forward to hearing from the stakeholders.

2691
03:25:12,825 --> 03:25:16,395
can I bring in public comment at this point? I think. All right. Council member schb,

2692
03:25:18,315 --> 03:25:21,965
just one more item I forgot to mention. Um, I did look at the 2013,

2693
03:25:23,345 --> 03:25:27,145
um, report for the, uh, transits, uh, for the, uh,

2694
03:25:27,365 --> 03:25:31,285
smart train. And looking at the on page, it actually ended

2695
03:25:31,515 --> 03:25:35,505
page 83, which is three dash 11 in the report. Um,

2696
03:25:35,935 --> 03:25:39,485
there is a list, and it's a long list of all the businesses

2697
03:25:40,025 --> 03:25:43,825
in that entire makerspace with their retail demand,

2698
03:25:44,705 --> 03:25:48,605
retail sales and leakage, uh, surplus type thing.

2699
03:25:49,065 --> 03:25:52,805
so there's actually numbers, lists of all the businesses and numbers, which I did not see in this report.

2700
03:25:53,225 --> 03:25:56,805
and wanna just make sure that you have all of the businesses

2701
03:25:57,265 --> 03:26:01,165
in this area listed and we know, and then, oh, maybe there's

2702
03:26:01,485 --> 03:26:05,465
a lot more connections that could be made for the, for all these little businesses. Um,

2703
03:26:05,745 --> 03:26:09,165
as we mentioned, like a, the bakery, which I've been to, which is a beautiful little,

2704
03:26:09,865 --> 03:26:13,785
um, uh, cookery, um, stations in there for, for teaching cooking of

2705
03:26:14,005 --> 03:26:17,845
baking. Um, so yeah, so how do we get there? And if we don't, there's

2706
03:26:18,085 --> 03:26:22,025
even a, a, um, in the mac beds, there's a place where they make, uh,

2707
03:26:22,245 --> 03:26:25,845
wall beds, fancy things for the hotels, very high end quality

2708
03:26:26,275 --> 03:26:30,165
type things. So how do we get people to walk in and look at that, look at those beds,

2709
03:26:30,405 --> 03:26:34,205
there's a little showcase there, but it's hidden. So there's all sorts of little businesses

2710
03:26:34,485 --> 03:26:38,245
there, um, that people need to know about. Uh, most people don't,

2711
03:26:38,565 --> 03:26:42,525
don't even know it's there. So let's, let's make sure that that is part of your report as to

2712
03:26:42,645 --> 03:26:46,485
what's available to go, go buy or see in that area.

2713
03:26:47,455 --> 03:26:50,055
thank you. Council member. Uh, carly,

2714
03:26:53,425 --> 03:26:57,365
uh, no thank you for your report. Um, I'm curious in the area that's being

2715
03:26:57,805 --> 03:27:01,485
considered for the transit village, was there any outreach done to the people

2716
03:27:01,945 --> 03:27:05,875
who, whose properties those are, or whose homes those are that are looking

2717
03:27:06,385 --> 03:27:10,365
at being very affected by this? Yes. We're just getting ready to reach

2718
03:27:10,705 --> 03:27:14,445
out to them as a, as a collective, but right now,

2719
03:27:14,785 --> 03:27:18,165
two me two property members in that area are on the working group.

2720
03:27:18,905 --> 03:27:22,615
so they've been coming to the meetings, I think they're here tonight too, and giving us input.

2721
03:27:23,345 --> 03:27:27,345
and they've also been giving us anecdotal stories about other property owners, but

2722
03:27:27,565 --> 03:27:31,525
we're trying to establish a, a meeting with all of them. We've also

2723
03:27:31,725 --> 03:27:35,645
already started talking with lafco about what would that process be like if the

2724
03:27:35,845 --> 03:27:39,565
council, future council wants to annex that. So they've

2725
03:27:39,885 --> 03:27:43,175
started giving us advice for what we need to do for contacting

2726
03:27:43,985 --> 03:27:47,895
owners, contacting registered voters, and, um, doing

2727
03:27:48,325 --> 03:27:52,205
a municipal services review. I realize tonight is

2728
03:27:52,365 --> 03:27:56,305
a workshop and there's no voting action here, but why would we not invite all

2729
03:27:56,525 --> 03:28:00,485
of those property owners, you know, to have a say in, in this as it is a

2730
03:28:00,765 --> 03:28:04,485
workshop, they're invited to

2731
03:28:04,945 --> 03:28:08,745
anything that we do, I can't make them come. But yes, we, we put out notice

2732
03:28:09,035 --> 03:28:12,665
about this. And also one of the working group members who I said is a

2733
03:28:13,265 --> 03:28:17,145
property owner in there, he's been doing outreach. He's been responsible for bringing people,

2734
03:28:17,565 --> 03:28:20,945
for instance, to the march 21st workshop. But we haven't

2735
03:28:21,785 --> 03:28:25,345
actually convened an organized meeting with all of the

2736
03:28:25,985 --> 03:28:29,865
property owners that we can get into the room at one time. Mm-hmm . I just, I just think it

2737
03:28:30,065 --> 03:28:33,505
would be more the right thing to do to tell them ahead of time, because I spoke to

2738
03:28:34,225 --> 03:28:38,185
a couple that had no idea that tonight was happening, um, you know,

2739
03:28:38,265 --> 03:28:41,065
who could not make it. But, um, I think if we're proposing

2740
03:28:42,335 --> 03:28:45,745
massive changes to people's lands that they should know about it.

2741
03:28:47,565 --> 03:28:51,505
and then, um, why is it

2742
03:28:51,665 --> 03:28:54,125
that we're allowing the 2013 plan to expire

2743
03:28:56,445 --> 03:29:00,415
or being asked to let it expire? Is that the todd plan,

2744
03:29:01,085 --> 03:29:05,065
the 2013 todd plan? Yeah. Yeah. It's largely because mtc,

2745
03:29:05,965 --> 03:29:09,795
the metropolitan metropolitan transportation commission has advanced their

2746
03:29:10,145 --> 03:29:14,105
transit thinking and their public, their published policies, if

2747
03:29:14,305 --> 03:29:18,145
you will. And the grant that's actually funding this needs to

2748
03:29:18,345 --> 03:29:21,825
adhere to what their policies are. Now, the toc, the transit

2749
03:29:22,385 --> 03:29:26,225
oriented communities policy, so everything we're doing about the four

2750
03:29:26,425 --> 03:29:30,045
pillars of that are, um, density, housing, um,

2751
03:29:30,535 --> 03:29:34,265
station access, and, um, policy. So we're

2752
03:29:34,785 --> 03:29:37,945
actually adhering to more relevant policy right now.

2753
03:29:41,105 --> 03:29:45,085
how much do we anticipate that this new plan is going to cost from start to finish?

2754
03:29:46,555 --> 03:29:48,805
someone from the city might know, or, or anybody,

2755
03:29:51,145 --> 03:29:54,865
the planning process or to develop the, the vision, pardon

2756
03:29:55,625 --> 03:29:59,605
the planning process or to develop the vision. I mean, all of it to end up at

2757
03:29:59,765 --> 03:30:03,685
the end with a plan in our hands for, for this area. Oh, well, right now

2758
03:30:03,845 --> 03:30:06,585
we're working just with the 1 million, um, $150,000

2759
03:30:07,895 --> 03:30:11,745
grant from mtc, and that's all that's been identified so

2760
03:30:11,965 --> 03:30:15,885
far. So we're proceeding along those lines. Do we anticipate it

2761
03:30:16,045 --> 03:30:19,925
may cost more? It we do not.

2762
03:30:20,965 --> 03:30:24,765
I heard something . Okay. And then

2763
03:30:25,425 --> 03:30:29,265
did we reach out to the consultant that created the

2764
03:30:29,605 --> 03:30:33,195
2013 plan coming into this?

2765
03:30:36,255 --> 03:30:39,705
no, we haven't done, so the plan was adopted by the city. Um,

2766
03:30:40,425 --> 03:30:43,725
so in terms of reaching out to that consultant, it's, it's, uh,

2767
03:30:44,435 --> 03:30:47,645
it's not a plan that we wouldn't typically consult with them.

2768
03:30:49,675 --> 03:30:53,585
okay. Because, so this, you know, this 2013 plan I'm talking about, you

2769
03:30:53,805 --> 03:30:57,685
know, it includes both, um, both stations and it's actually, it

2770
03:30:57,965 --> 03:31:01,585
won an award, um, that because it was such a good plan and, um,

2771
03:31:02,785 --> 03:31:06,175
you know, even though it, you know, the $1.15 million

2772
03:31:07,935 --> 03:31:11,235
is, is a grant, it's still still tax dollars. It's not free money.

2773
03:31:12,055 --> 03:31:15,855
um, you know, I, I think that that 2013 plan is

2774
03:31:16,075 --> 03:31:19,815
something we should really be looking at as, as the foundation. Um,

2775
03:31:20,375 --> 03:31:24,335
you know, and starting with that and, and changing it as we need to, it's only 10 years old

2776
03:31:24,575 --> 03:31:28,555
or 13 years old, you know, we probably should have reached

2777
03:31:28,855 --> 03:31:32,835
out to the consultant that performed it. Um, I think that would've made sense.

2778
03:31:33,195 --> 03:31:36,795
I think that would've probably saved money for the city, um, because

2779
03:31:37,305 --> 03:31:40,975
it's largely a lot of it is what we're talking about tonight, you know, and the area itself

2780
03:31:41,455 --> 03:31:45,435
hasn't really changed all that much. It's, it's had a little bit

2781
03:31:45,555 --> 03:31:49,395
of development, but it's at large, it's, it's pretty much the same area, pretty much the

2782
03:31:49,595 --> 03:31:53,215
same buildings, um, pretty much the same footprint. And so,

2783
03:31:54,375 --> 03:31:58,195
you know, I, um, I think that plan is actually really important. I wish that would've

2784
03:31:58,475 --> 03:32:02,295
been, I mean, I went and found it. I read through it, wish that would've been included in

2785
03:32:02,565 --> 03:32:05,935
everything that we were given tonight. And then, um,

2786
03:32:09,095 --> 03:32:09,955
so then let's see,

2787
03:32:16,815 --> 03:32:20,635
you know, um, councilman shrives mentioned, you know, some of the level of detail

2788
03:32:20,995 --> 03:32:24,995
in that 2013 plan, and, you know, that that includes, um, market

2789
03:32:25,335 --> 03:32:28,835
demand, regional demographics, income demographics, retail market

2790
03:32:29,395 --> 03:32:33,385
overview, impact of future retail employment overview, expected market for land

2791
03:32:33,675 --> 03:32:37,185
use. Um, a couple other things. I mean, it's, it's very

2792
03:32:37,875 --> 03:32:41,875
detailed and it, and it tells you exactly what that plan is going to do, how it's going

2793
03:32:42,035 --> 03:32:46,035
to affect the area, um, in a, you know, good way or bad way, whatever,

2794
03:32:46,495 --> 03:32:49,915
you know, whatever they considered at the time. But it tells you what's going to happen right there in great detail.

2795
03:32:50,815 --> 03:32:53,515
is that something we're going to see in this plan?

2796
03:32:57,555 --> 03:33:01,495
are you gonna, well, you're gonna see our vision implemented. I can't explain

2797
03:33:01,755 --> 03:33:04,835
why the 2013 plan hasn't been implemented yet.

2798
03:33:05,785 --> 03:33:09,675
right. But I'm looking, I mean, I'm looking for vision with substance, you

2799
03:33:09,895 --> 03:33:13,735
know, with, with actual studies to say, this is what our vision is going

2800
03:33:14,055 --> 03:33:17,455
to do for your city. And they included several things that they studied

2801
03:33:18,325 --> 03:33:22,325
that show that. So I'm asking if, if you're going

2802
03:33:22,485 --> 03:33:26,325
to include that. Yes. I don't know that we'll

2803
03:33:26,565 --> 03:33:30,545
be able to get to the detail that the council member explained with each business being, you

2804
03:33:30,765 --> 03:33:34,645
know, leakage and retail leakage, because some of that analysis has already been

2805
03:33:34,845 --> 03:33:38,765
done, and it's in the existing conditions report. But there will be

2806
03:33:38,965 --> 03:33:42,525
other chapters besides vision. Like what is, what are the development

2807
03:33:43,085 --> 03:33:46,965
standards? What are the public realm standards? How do you achieve the vision either through

2808
03:33:47,285 --> 03:33:51,175
private development or public development, right? But

2809
03:33:51,415 --> 03:33:55,175
I mean, we've, we've really focused slightly on developing an economic

2810
03:33:55,525 --> 03:33:59,495
plan and really driving home that that is, you know, kind of at the center

2811
03:33:59,695 --> 03:34:03,295
of our, our town that controls everything that, that affects the health of our town.

2812
03:34:04,155 --> 03:34:07,975
you know, um, I, I, I think that's something we would all really want

2813
03:34:08,255 --> 03:34:11,935
to see is, is that level of detail and looking what at what this plan is

2814
03:34:12,335 --> 03:34:16,275
actually going to do. So, um, and then

2815
03:34:17,775 --> 03:34:21,195
as far as sense of place and view sheds go, are we

2816
03:34:21,995 --> 03:34:25,475
identifying view sheds and what, like what do those actually look like and what,

2817
03:34:26,105 --> 03:34:28,715
what are you trying to preserve and keep in place in your vision?

2818
03:34:32,975 --> 03:34:36,385
um, I would, I believe the general plan

2819
03:34:37,395 --> 03:34:41,175
probably has some, um, guidance on

2820
03:34:41,475 --> 03:34:44,555
v sheds view court, like protect, uh, view corridors,

2821
03:34:45,835 --> 03:34:49,555
corridors to be preserved. This specific plan would need to adhere to those.

2822
03:34:50,295 --> 03:34:54,235
um, at this point, we are not put, like, this vision

2823
03:34:54,515 --> 03:34:58,305
that we presented doesn't propose alternative or additional view

2824
03:34:58,875 --> 03:35:02,595
corridors. But, um, I mean, that's certainly

2825
03:35:02,995 --> 03:35:06,995
something that could be discussed. I mean, if it,

2826
03:35:07,175 --> 03:35:11,025
if it's a vision, we should see what we're trying to preserve, right? Sure.

2827
03:35:11,315 --> 03:35:15,255
yeah. You know, like, I mean, I, I can tell you standing on

2828
03:35:15,595 --> 03:35:19,235
mcdowell kind of across from the new, the new development that's going up by the train depot,

2829
03:35:20,095 --> 03:35:24,095
um, you can't see the snow mountains anymore. You know, and, and

2830
03:35:24,315 --> 03:35:28,315
really that sense of place and white people move here and live here. I

2831
03:35:28,435 --> 03:35:32,255
mean, that's, that's very important to them. That's, that's a lot of white people live here, is

2832
03:35:32,475 --> 03:35:36,315
so they can look around, they know they're in petaluma, they know they're in our valley, and they can see the mountains

2833
03:35:36,555 --> 03:35:40,515
and the hills and, you know, looking at some other

2834
03:35:40,945 --> 03:35:44,775
aspects of what's proposed here, I think you lose a lot of that. And so

2835
03:35:45,275 --> 03:35:48,835
I, I really would encourage, we, we actually look at and define

2836
03:35:49,305 --> 03:35:53,115
what sense of place is here, what we're actually trying to preserve in this vision.

2837
03:35:55,785 --> 03:35:59,125
and then, um, kind of moving on to

2838
03:36:00,045 --> 03:36:03,805
mcdowell and redesigning that street, just in the last few years,

2839
03:36:05,425 --> 03:36:09,215
we spent, I think around $12 million or so, maybe,

2840
03:36:10,145 --> 03:36:13,905
you know, repaving that entire road. And that is the

2841
03:36:14,675 --> 03:36:18,605
only major road that we've actually paved in, in the five

2842
03:36:18,765 --> 03:36:22,575
year plan. Actually, that's incorrect. We paved maria,

2843
03:36:24,125 --> 03:36:28,075
we've paved garfield. So, but those aren't major roads like mcdowell

2844
03:36:28,765 --> 03:36:32,305
maria. I mean, it's, it is a significant

2845
03:36:32,775 --> 03:36:36,725
road, but it's not like mcdowell either way. Point take, point taken. Let's move

2846
03:36:36,845 --> 03:36:40,405
on either way. We just spent $12 million on it now. We're already talking about

2847
03:36:40,885 --> 03:36:44,795
redesigning it, and there's lots of other very important roads in town, heavily

2848
03:36:45,685 --> 03:36:49,595
trafficked, you know, used that. People every day ask, when is this gonna get repaved?

2849
03:36:50,825 --> 03:36:54,745
and so I don't understand what, like, why are we actually looking at

2850
03:36:54,965 --> 03:36:58,715
repaving that? Well, it's definitely more than repaving. It's, it's

2851
03:36:59,045 --> 03:37:02,925
a, it's a 30, 40 year vision. So while repaving,

2852
03:37:03,555 --> 03:37:07,245
there's like, we can think about maintenance and just ensuring that our public facilities,

2853
03:37:07,765 --> 03:37:10,885
our roads are kept to a certain minimum standard of quality.

2854
03:37:11,785 --> 03:37:15,445
um, this vision is about proposing an alternate

2855
03:37:16,475 --> 03:37:20,325
like identity for that street. So it goes beyond repaving. And that, that would

2856
03:37:20,485 --> 03:37:23,805
be the reason. I'm gonna interfere here for a second. Um, this, this is a vision.

2857
03:37:24,715 --> 03:37:28,565
this is not a project. So I, I think in terms of priority and expenditures

2858
03:37:29,385 --> 03:37:33,185
and things, and that's why my question earlier went to to this about like, how

2859
03:37:33,405 --> 03:37:37,335
do these things actually occur? 'cause I concur with you. The people want their streets paved

2860
03:37:38,185 --> 03:37:41,825
and you can't do a complete vision without showing the

2861
03:37:42,245 --> 03:37:46,245
completeness of this area, but you're not funding a project for it. That conversation about

2862
03:37:46,875 --> 03:37:50,765
funding and priority and projects around town will have a

2863
03:37:50,885 --> 03:37:54,805
different date. I'm just pointing out that we've already spent a significant amount of

2864
03:37:54,925 --> 03:37:58,165
money there. You know, the vision probably shouldn't include it.

2865
03:37:59,745 --> 03:38:03,685
um, you know, and so that, that would be your input on it as you prefer the vision

2866
03:38:03,945 --> 03:38:07,525
as it is versus a different, it's not a question of other things.

2867
03:38:08,565 --> 03:38:12,255
I mean, I understand that the vision of connectivity and, and there is, there

2868
03:38:12,605 --> 03:38:16,565
is the path along the railroad tracks, there are other trails. There's, you know,

2869
03:38:16,645 --> 03:38:20,245
what's been proposed on corona. I mean, there's, there's a lot of connectivity

2870
03:38:20,765 --> 03:38:24,605
already in place or going in place. There's, there's bike lanes on mcdowell.

2871
03:38:25,305 --> 03:38:28,425
we had to buy a special street sweeper just for it. Corona has

2872
03:38:29,525 --> 03:38:33,405
a project associated, or no project associated with it, and improvements.

2873
03:38:33,945 --> 03:38:37,485
and the vision will occur with a project. Mcdowell would have to be

2874
03:38:38,405 --> 03:38:42,275
investigated independently as a priority unless it was funded by a project. Like

2875
03:38:42,565 --> 03:38:46,445
if the post office converts, then you can nick the post office developer for the

2876
03:38:46,605 --> 03:38:50,525
adjoining, um, improvements of your vision. So you wanna

2877
03:38:50,725 --> 03:38:54,575
talk about what vision is. I think that's where you wanna focus there, right?

2878
03:38:54,985 --> 03:38:58,965
no, that is, I mean, I'm, I'm focusing on the vision and I'm saying we, we've already

2879
03:38:59,125 --> 03:39:02,645
just done something here. I don't think we need to redesign it.

2880
03:39:03,265 --> 03:39:06,935
so, um, and that,

2881
03:39:07,615 --> 03:39:11,465
that kind of does it for my questions. I'll save the rest of her comments. Council member

2882
03:39:11,705 --> 03:39:14,165
cater thompson. Well, um,

2883
03:39:16,585 --> 03:39:20,425
I look at soma village in roar park, and I see the housing around there, and I see how

2884
03:39:20,625 --> 03:39:24,375
that area has really become really vibrant over

2885
03:39:24,685 --> 03:39:28,665
the last 10 years. It's a real difference. And then I look at

2886
03:39:28,825 --> 03:39:32,755
this area and, well, first of all, I just wanna say the downtown smart

2887
03:39:33,205 --> 03:39:37,095
station development, and this should be looked at very differently. There

2888
03:39:37,445 --> 03:39:41,365
are two different animals. One is close to a downtown, and the other

2889
03:39:41,525 --> 03:39:45,365
one is an industrial area and housing. And so you really can't

2890
03:39:45,685 --> 03:39:48,905
compare the two. Um, so as far as, um,

2891
03:39:50,035 --> 03:39:53,565
this project, and I'm just gonna specifically talk about

2892
03:39:54,185 --> 03:39:58,005
the land that needs to be annexed in, um, I feel as

2893
03:39:58,205 --> 03:40:02,205
though we have to be really sensitive to the rural area. Um, but I

2894
03:40:02,325 --> 03:40:06,205
think we, we don't have enough housing in this community and we need

2895
03:40:06,405 --> 03:40:10,345
housing. And what I'd like to see is that more dense toward,

2896
03:40:10,905 --> 03:40:14,365
um, the rail station. I wanna see a lot more green space though,

2897
03:40:15,345 --> 03:40:18,665
and I'd like to see, um, single family homes on the

2898
03:40:19,535 --> 03:40:23,325
outer area with smaller yards, but a lot of green space

2899
03:40:23,645 --> 03:40:27,585
that people actually, um, can go to. And I look at mcnear park, you

2900
03:40:27,805 --> 03:40:31,615
know, before, um, you know, it, it was a gathering space.

2901
03:40:32,585 --> 03:40:36,465
and so I look at this area as a space that needs, um,

2902
03:40:36,715 --> 03:40:40,565
gathering. I'm not talking about ball fields, but I'm just talking about, um, picnic

2903
03:40:41,015 --> 03:40:44,685
areas. And so people will actually use these areas as part of their,

2904
03:40:45,745 --> 03:40:49,205
um, living instead of big backyards.

2905
03:40:50,505 --> 03:40:54,455
um, I don't really wanna see huge homes here. I wanna see modest homes

2906
03:40:55,715 --> 03:40:59,425
that are for sale, first time home buyers. Um,

2907
03:40:59,965 --> 03:41:03,645
I would wouldn't mind seeing some, you know, maybe quads, lots there,

2908
03:41:03,985 --> 03:41:07,315
you know, with not quad lots, but, um, development

2909
03:41:08,005 --> 03:41:11,925
with, um, four units in one. Maybe

2910
03:41:12,435 --> 03:41:16,135
look at something like that. Um, but I think we really have to be careful about

2911
03:41:16,485 --> 03:41:19,625
feathering into the rural area and not, um,

2912
03:41:20,585 --> 03:41:24,585
not overdeveloping. And I don't wanna see these, you know, big, huge, you

2913
03:41:24,805 --> 03:41:28,725
know, 3000 square foot homes with, you know, three car garages.

2914
03:41:30,555 --> 03:41:34,345
um, so I really wanna make sure

2915
03:41:34,585 --> 03:41:38,445
that the water retention is with this area.

2916
03:41:39,545 --> 03:41:43,435
um, it's an area of concern and I just really wanna see what

2917
03:41:43,725 --> 03:41:47,385
we're gonna be doing, where the water's gonna be flowing,

2918
03:41:48,565 --> 03:41:51,945
either onsite, does it go offsite, any of it,

2919
03:41:52,615 --> 03:41:55,935
what happens with the water? And then of course, um, corona road,

2920
03:41:57,045 --> 03:42:00,805
um, needs to be redone all the way up to eli.

2921
03:42:01,845 --> 03:42:05,705
and then we need to look at eli kind of, so it incorporates eli and corona,

2922
03:42:06,405 --> 03:42:10,195
so it incorporates into the rural area, into, um, urban

2923
03:42:10,635 --> 03:42:12,325
areas. Um,

2924
03:42:15,095 --> 03:42:19,055
I think I wanna just go into mcdowell since that seems to be a topic.

2925
03:42:19,725 --> 03:42:23,695
when I look at transport, commerce, and dynamic street, those are

2926
03:42:23,855 --> 03:42:27,815
three streets really close together. It's an industrial area. And if it

2927
03:42:27,935 --> 03:42:31,845
was originally built and thought out a little bit differently, you probably would've had just one

2928
03:42:32,325 --> 03:42:36,125
driveway going in and out. And so you're not having all this cross traffic.

2929
03:42:36,625 --> 03:42:40,245
and so that's part of the problem with mcdowell, is you have too many driveways

2930
03:42:40,945 --> 03:42:44,825
and yet they're going into the same area. And so figure a way of

2931
03:42:46,355 --> 03:42:50,065
lessening the driveways. And so making it so,

2932
03:42:50,505 --> 03:42:54,215
uh, mobility, um, is safer

2933
03:42:55,335 --> 03:42:59,175
'cause it's not a very safe street. It may have had a nice, you know, resurfacing,

2934
03:43:00,035 --> 03:43:03,975
but the safest street itself is not safe. Go get out, go

2935
03:43:04,175 --> 03:43:07,885
out of the cottages, the mobile home park, take a left. It's really not safe.

2936
03:43:09,345 --> 03:43:13,045
and so what I'm looking for, um, mcdowell is safety improvements,

2937
03:43:14,555 --> 03:43:18,145
less driveways, um, and safer

2938
03:43:18,595 --> 03:43:22,495
for the public to walk because nobody wants to walk on mcdowell, um, because

2939
03:43:22,655 --> 03:43:26,455
of those reasons. Um, it's when, um, sid commons

2940
03:43:26,935 --> 03:43:30,915
was approved, there was a bridge access area there, and that should be incorporated in

2941
03:43:31,135 --> 03:43:35,075
this. So we know that we can go from one side of the river to the other. And

2942
03:43:35,295 --> 03:43:38,815
since that area was set aside, um, it should at least be considered.

2943
03:43:39,955 --> 03:43:43,595
and c consider having, um, an access underneath the

2944
03:43:43,965 --> 03:43:47,835
rail bridge so you can actually get to the smart, um,

2945
03:43:48,405 --> 03:43:52,175
path. 'cause right now from this side of town, you really can't get to the smart

2946
03:43:52,415 --> 03:43:56,355
path unless you go down the lich creek trail and then down pay ran and

2947
03:43:56,705 --> 03:44:00,455
eventually get there. Um, so I'd like to see more interconnectivity there.

2948
03:44:01,855 --> 03:44:05,635
um, I would like

2949
03:44:06,035 --> 03:44:09,815
to see workspaces. So if you build small, let's go back to the, um,

2950
03:44:10,585 --> 03:44:14,375
development area. If we go there, if you have workspaces, so

2951
03:44:14,595 --> 03:44:18,595
you can have smaller houses, so people can actually leave their space and be able

2952
03:44:18,795 --> 03:44:21,635
to work, but they don't have to necessarily be in their homes.

2953
03:44:23,535 --> 03:44:27,025
um, I don't wanna see a, a co parking

2954
03:44:28,415 --> 03:44:32,235
in this area. If there is parking, I'd rather

2955
03:44:32,425 --> 03:44:36,255
have it. So it's not seen. And

2956
03:44:36,475 --> 03:44:40,275
that's one thing about brody ranch, um, where the condos are.

2957
03:44:40,655 --> 03:44:44,295
um, it's just a really blank asphalted area,

2958
03:44:45,155 --> 03:44:49,035
and I think it could have been designed a lot better that you really don't see the cars. And

2959
03:44:49,675 --> 03:44:53,665
what's the one on lavia on peta boulevard? I mean,

2960
03:44:53,785 --> 03:44:56,095
the cars are underneath and they're really not seen.

2961
03:44:58,045 --> 03:45:01,715
um, the gsa, the, the groundwater,

2962
03:45:02,455 --> 03:45:06,015
um, committee that I'm part of, I know is talking to

2963
03:45:06,695 --> 03:45:10,635
the cords, um, about recharge, even though that's

2964
03:45:10,955 --> 03:45:14,875
not part of this project, it is interconnected. And so

2965
03:45:15,115 --> 03:45:18,965
I think it's important that you, um, work with the gsa group

2966
03:45:19,545 --> 03:45:22,555
just to make sure what, what they're talking about with the cordons

2967
03:45:24,055 --> 03:45:27,715
on their property and the other properties up north of the rail

2968
03:45:28,455 --> 03:45:31,005
of the rail station. Um,

2969
03:45:33,915 --> 03:45:36,855
and that's probably all I have to say now. Um, but I will

2970
03:45:38,285 --> 03:45:42,215
have more comments later. Okay. I want this. Well, one thing, I mean,

2971
03:45:42,295 --> 03:45:46,255
it needs to be really vibrant, and I think that's what we're really looking for. How do

2972
03:45:46,335 --> 03:45:50,175
you interconnect mcdowell? Now we have sidewalks

2973
03:45:50,535 --> 03:45:54,335
going up north, so it's not as daunting

2974
03:45:54,635 --> 03:45:58,195
as it is walking up mcdowell from washington street.

2975
03:46:00,355 --> 03:46:04,155
so I think we can make it a much better corridor and

2976
03:46:04,415 --> 03:46:08,015
a much safer corridor. And I think we can get the housing that we need.

2977
03:46:08,955 --> 03:46:12,815
you know, we here, we, we have, we have a city that people

2978
03:46:13,065 --> 03:46:16,255
can't buy a house. People can't downsize from a house.

2979
03:46:17,075 --> 03:46:20,895
and so I think this area has a lot of opportunities and, uh, but

2980
03:46:21,095 --> 03:46:25,015
most importantly for me is really feathering into the rural area. So it doesn't look

2981
03:46:25,495 --> 03:46:29,295
like it's, um, I don't want three, four stories and I don't want huge houses

2982
03:46:29,545 --> 03:46:32,935
right into the rural area. I'd rather see more internal green space.

2983
03:46:35,265 --> 03:46:38,615
thank you. Let's go to public comment and have the clerk help us out here.

2984
03:46:40,955 --> 03:46:44,955
we did receive two public comments, uh, ahead of the meeting, and those are posted online.

2985
03:46:46,115 --> 03:46:49,975
we also have eight attendees in the zoom meeting. Thank you.

2986
03:46:51,115 --> 03:46:55,095
um, at this time I will start, oh, well, I'll start at 32nd

2987
03:46:55,775 --> 03:46:59,775
clock. And during these 30 seconds, members of the public attending in person should bring their cards

2988
03:46:59,975 --> 03:47:03,855
to my desk. Members of the public attending online should raise their virtual

2989
03:47:04,245 --> 03:47:08,235
hand, and those attending via phone should press star nine to

2990
03:47:08,455 --> 03:47:12,455
raise their hand. Speaker request received after this time may not be accommodated.

2991
03:47:24,885 --> 03:47:28,695
okay, I do have two hands. That's frank cordem and veronica

2992
03:47:29,175 --> 03:47:29,175
olson.

2993
03:47:44,495 --> 03:47:48,325
okay, thank you. Um, public comment on the item tonight. And,

2994
03:47:48,765 --> 03:47:52,635
um, let's see. We have a number of speaker cards

2995
03:47:53,215 --> 03:47:57,085
here, and we will allow those speakers, um, to speak first, and

2996
03:47:57,305 --> 03:48:01,105
then we'll go back to the clerk. And the clerk clerk will bring in our zoom people.

2997
03:48:02,045 --> 03:48:06,045
and at this time, um, we have, and on

2998
03:48:06,265 --> 03:48:10,245
an item we would allow all speakers. So first speakers, julie groves,

2999
03:48:10,665 --> 03:48:12,205
and our second speaker is nicola fry.

3000
03:48:16,005 --> 03:48:19,985
and is, uh, well, do I have one minute or three

3001
03:48:20,185 --> 03:48:23,825
minutes? Three minutes? You have three minutes. Okay. Um, so I have

3002
03:48:25,155 --> 03:48:29,075
first thank you on all these, these comments are very, very

3003
03:48:29,365 --> 03:48:32,825
helpful and, and I am, um, repeating,

3004
03:48:33,575 --> 03:48:37,155
oh, sorry. And I'm repeating some of the things that you have mentioned,

3005
03:48:37,655 --> 03:48:41,075
so I appreciate that. So I've submitted a plan to manage

3006
03:48:41,665 --> 03:48:45,515
four water issues, um, in a strip of land that runs from

3007
03:48:45,795 --> 03:48:49,615
the corona smart station all the way up to eli. And on,

3008
03:48:50,255 --> 03:48:53,355
um, if you put up that slide that you mentioned on page 14,

3009
03:48:54,335 --> 03:48:58,235
um, it, it shows part of that strip of land

3010
03:48:58,515 --> 03:49:02,015
right along the, uh, the tracks, um,

3011
03:49:02,655 --> 03:49:06,215
within the, within that circle. And I'm, and I'm

3012
03:49:06,705 --> 03:49:10,235
proposing extending that. Um, and that would,

3013
03:49:11,185 --> 03:49:14,955
that strip of land would be part of the, the voter approved

3014
03:49:15,305 --> 03:49:19,155
expansion land. And it continues to strip that, as I said, that

3015
03:49:19,455 --> 03:49:22,275
is already identified next to the train station.

3016
03:49:23,495 --> 03:49:26,355
um, it addresses, um,

3017
03:49:27,845 --> 03:49:31,805
primarily the, the vernal pools that, um, would also

3018
03:49:32,095 --> 03:49:35,855
help with aquifer recharge. And we've talked

3019
03:49:36,275 --> 03:49:40,275
the, the word resiliency was used earlier. It also at

3020
03:49:40,595 --> 03:49:44,425
the end, near the, um, where we're

3021
03:49:45,535 --> 03:49:49,205
planning to have more building, it decreases the runoff into the pet ofri

3022
03:49:49,585 --> 03:49:53,395
river. And at the end, closer up to eli, it

3023
03:49:53,615 --> 03:49:57,605
can address the flooding that occurs regularly, um, at five

3024
03:49:57,895 --> 03:50:01,285
four oh oh old redwood highway, which is city annex land.

3025
03:50:02,195 --> 03:50:05,855
um, and I, and I wanna give credit to steve

3026
03:50:06,295 --> 03:50:10,215
a of the planning manager of sonoma county regional park, who called our attention

3027
03:50:10,795 --> 03:50:14,105
to the significance of these few remaining vernal pools.

3028
03:50:15,075 --> 03:50:18,995
um, and, and then the information you have, it shows a picture of

3029
03:50:19,215 --> 03:50:23,035
those pools. And I picture it. I appreciate that. That's been mentioned by several of

3030
03:50:23,255 --> 03:50:26,675
you. And, and you identified john, that the,

3031
03:50:27,515 --> 03:50:31,295
um, that there may be other vernal pools further along corona

3032
03:50:31,655 --> 03:50:34,995
road that may need to be identified also. Um,

3033
03:50:36,835 --> 03:50:40,575
and so the, our, our family would welcome

3034
03:50:41,035 --> 03:50:44,775
the opportunity to fa facilitate, um, discussions about funding

3035
03:50:45,275 --> 03:50:48,655
and mitigation, um, among the interested parties.

3036
03:50:49,395 --> 03:50:53,145
um, some of who, many of who have already made site visits, including the landowners,

3037
03:50:54,375 --> 03:50:57,905
gsa, people from g-s-a-r-c-d-c, open space

3038
03:50:58,505 --> 03:51:01,855
parks, um, several of you and others have already

3039
03:51:02,525 --> 03:51:06,235
have already visited this land to see, see what's involved. So

3040
03:51:07,435 --> 03:51:11,135
I'm here if anybody has questions, and I wanna thank all of you for your attention

3041
03:51:11,755 --> 03:51:13,975
to all of these, all of these details.

3042
03:51:16,945 --> 03:51:20,275
thank you very much. Thank you. Our next speaker is nicola fry,

3043
03:51:21,115 --> 03:51:22,805
to be followed by doug auer.

3044
03:51:40,715 --> 03:51:44,125
hi. Thank you for the kind words. I appreciate them.

3045
03:51:44,905 --> 03:51:48,885
um, those were five of the nine proposals that I put together. The wording

3046
03:51:49,245 --> 03:51:53,145
form them came from a lot of discussions that we had as

3047
03:51:53,425 --> 03:51:56,885
the working group, but also were many, many meetings

3048
03:51:57,445 --> 03:52:01,245
I had with residents who live in the area, both coffee meetings

3049
03:52:01,905 --> 03:52:05,725
and larger meetings, and in between meetings and all sorts of discussions that

3050
03:52:05,925 --> 03:52:09,605
I had with lots of residents in the area. As petaluma

3051
03:52:10,165 --> 03:52:13,365
continuous implementing the general plan, the climate action framework,

3052
03:52:14,185 --> 03:52:18,045
and the north station specific plan. I believe we have an

3053
03:52:18,205 --> 03:52:22,165
opportunity to reimagine one of the city's most important transportation corridors,

3054
03:52:23,745 --> 03:52:27,145
the north mc d boulevard from corona road to washington street.

3055
03:52:28,025 --> 03:52:31,525
for decades, this corridor has been designated primarily to move vehicles,

3056
03:52:32,785 --> 03:52:35,825
but the future of north mcdowell should be about moving people safely,

3057
03:52:36,915 --> 03:52:40,805
efficiently, and sustainably. I believe north mcdowell

3058
03:52:41,865 --> 03:52:45,635
is the missing link. As the city connects many of the investments this

3059
03:52:45,925 --> 03:52:49,745
council has already made, you've invested in smart, you've

3060
03:52:50,165 --> 03:52:54,035
adopted a general plan that encourages complete neighborhoods and housing near

3061
03:52:54,325 --> 03:52:58,295
transit. You're planning a vibrant north station district, and we're,

3062
03:52:58,645 --> 03:53:02,525
and you're committed to ambitious climate zones. What we need now is that

3063
03:53:03,125 --> 03:53:06,955
corridor that brings these investments together. South mcdo

3064
03:53:07,445 --> 03:53:10,885
boulevard and the other traffic projects have already shown that this is possible

3065
03:53:11,485 --> 03:53:15,205
improvements like roundabouts, traffic, calming, landscaping,

3066
03:53:16,025 --> 03:53:19,965
and safety accessible pedestrian crossings have demonstrated that we can

3067
03:53:20,125 --> 03:53:23,845
improve safety and mobility at the same time. And north

3068
03:53:24,275 --> 03:53:27,445
mcal deserves that same word, forward thinking approach.

3069
03:53:28,715 --> 03:53:32,415
imagine a treeline boulevard with protected bicycle lanes,

3070
03:53:33,295 --> 03:53:36,805
wider sidewalks, safer accessibility crossings,

3071
03:53:37,555 --> 03:53:41,405
landscape medians, and mon modern roundabouts with a where appropriate

3072
03:53:43,815 --> 03:53:47,425
a quarter that connects the neighborhoods to schools, businesses, parks,

3073
03:53:48,075 --> 03:53:52,045
and the smart station, while creating a welcome northern gateway

3074
03:53:52,955 --> 03:53:56,345
to petaluma. This isn't a transportation project,

3075
03:53:57,545 --> 03:54:00,595
it's a housing project, an economic developments project,

3076
03:54:01,655 --> 03:54:05,555
and a climate project. I encourage the

3077
03:54:05,755 --> 03:54:09,715
council to work with input from residents and begin developing a

3078
03:54:09,835 --> 03:54:13,755
comprehensive north mcdowell corridor plan that lines transportation,

3079
03:54:15,025 --> 03:54:19,025
housing, economic development, and public space into one unified

3080
03:54:19,515 --> 03:54:22,665
vision. Let's make north mcdowell more than road.

3081
03:54:23,575 --> 03:54:27,205
let's make it the quarter that connects petal plans with its future.

3082
03:54:28,495 --> 03:54:31,695
thank you. Thank you,

3083
03:54:32,565 --> 03:54:34,655
doug auer to be followed by dwayne bellinger.

3084
03:54:47,085 --> 03:54:51,015
good evening. Uh, mr. Mayor, uh, members of the city council. My name is doug

3085
03:54:51,585 --> 03:54:55,325
ledor. I represent the, uh, partnership that owns

3086
03:54:55,835 --> 03:54:59,735
the two parcels on corona road that I think have been referred to by a couple

3087
03:54:59,855 --> 03:55:03,755
of council members this evening. Uh, the address is four 70 and

3088
03:55:03,975 --> 03:55:07,045
4 98 corona road. Um, our parcels

3089
03:55:08,195 --> 03:55:12,195
are within the sphere of influence, uh, within the urban growth boundary and

3090
03:55:12,555 --> 03:55:16,455
lie about a quarter mile east of the transit center. Uh, I

3091
03:55:16,575 --> 03:55:20,495
wanted to first thank the consultant team. Um, I think the process thus far has been very

3092
03:55:21,135 --> 03:55:24,915
transparent, um, collaborative and, uh,

3093
03:55:25,225 --> 03:55:29,175
accessible to everybody. Um, while we're at a very

3094
03:55:29,335 --> 03:55:32,775
preliminary stage, I wanted to offer two constructive comments regarding the consultants

3095
03:55:33,655 --> 03:55:37,375
presentation on the map that was, uh, up there just

3096
03:55:37,695 --> 03:55:41,295
a moment ago. Um, the focus area, one transit village

3097
03:55:41,795 --> 03:55:45,765
map, it shows a, uh, conceptual open space hub that

3098
03:55:46,055 --> 03:55:49,045
runs kind of north and south on the eastern side.

3099
03:55:50,115 --> 03:55:54,015
um, the way it shows on the plan, it just

3100
03:55:54,495 --> 03:55:57,925
bisects our property, which would really limit our ability to

3101
03:55:58,585 --> 03:56:02,525
develop it. Um, during that workshop meeting, um,

3102
03:56:02,925 --> 03:56:06,655
in march, the group that I was with, uh, discussed, kind

3103
03:56:06,945 --> 03:56:10,255
of focused on maybe a transition as that crosses

3104
03:56:11,005 --> 03:56:14,745
corona road. Um, we were looking at an enhanced pedestrian

3105
03:56:15,345 --> 03:56:18,865
pathway that would lead and ultimately connect to sonoma mountain

3106
03:56:19,575 --> 03:56:22,925
parkway trail and turnbridge park. Um,

3107
03:56:24,125 --> 03:56:28,105
we could probably accomplish this by expanding one side of a

3108
03:56:28,225 --> 03:56:31,845
residential public street with a green belt or a pass, um,

3109
03:56:32,395 --> 03:56:36,195
which, uh, this basically would preserve design flexibility, allow

3110
03:56:36,585 --> 03:56:40,215
the street to meander naturally and encourage a creative site plan.

3111
03:56:40,965 --> 03:56:44,765
I'm definitely in favor of open spaces or maybe, uh, a pocket park of

3112
03:56:44,985 --> 03:56:48,895
some kind, but bisecting this parcel, um, with

3113
03:56:49,265 --> 03:56:53,165
a, a huge open space hub would make it very difficult to deliver the

3114
03:56:53,385 --> 03:56:56,285
type of housing that I think you're looking for. Um,

3115
03:56:57,705 --> 03:57:01,465
additionally, uh, the land use map showed the front part of our

3116
03:57:01,865 --> 03:57:05,615
property is medium density residential, the back portion as lowest intensity

3117
03:57:06,455 --> 03:57:09,985
residential, which being a quarter mile from the transit center

3118
03:57:10,665 --> 03:57:14,525
I don't think makes sense. I think it would be, uh, beneficial to

3119
03:57:14,745 --> 03:57:17,775
look at, uh, zoning the entire piece, medium density residential.

3120
03:57:19,045 --> 03:57:22,945
but as councilman sibs mentioned, um, limiting the height to

3121
03:57:23,165 --> 03:57:26,365
two stories which would preserve the neighbor's privacy,

3122
03:57:27,505 --> 03:57:31,105
uh, yet you'd still be able to yield additional housing units. Um,

3123
03:57:31,525 --> 03:57:35,045
I think toc policies are pretty clear. Uh, jurisdiction

3124
03:57:35,685 --> 03:57:39,185
should increase residential capacity on parcels located within

3125
03:57:39,725 --> 03:57:43,325
a half mile of the transit center. And I think our land provides you that opportunity.

3126
03:57:44,585 --> 03:57:47,925
um, thank you for your time and I can answer any questions that you might have.

3127
03:57:49,655 --> 03:57:53,505
thank you very much. Thanks. Uh, dwayne bellinger to

3128
03:57:53,725 --> 03:57:54,575
be followed by darren kuzen.

3129
03:57:59,155 --> 03:58:02,515
uh, good evening council members. Uh, first of all, I wanna say that, uh,

3130
03:58:03,355 --> 03:58:07,215
uh, the, the terms I enjoyed hearing, uh, transit oriented,

3131
03:58:07,635 --> 03:58:11,385
uh, village, uh, trans, uh, transit centered mixed use, urban mixed

3132
03:58:11,755 --> 03:58:15,415
use neighborhood shopping centers. I wanna say that all of those beautiful

3133
03:58:16,155 --> 03:58:20,035
and they need a shopping center. They need a market. You

3134
03:58:20,255 --> 03:58:23,775
can't have walking community that doesn't have a market.

3135
03:58:24,395 --> 03:58:27,875
and we went to put into crony eli, they put in, um, uh, the, um,

3136
03:58:28,525 --> 03:58:32,345
leghorn market and at this point for, for fewer

3137
03:58:32,695 --> 03:58:36,615
houses. But if it's gonna be walkable, we need to at least a portion of it

3138
03:58:36,735 --> 03:58:40,695
reserved, maybe even just two acres. Um, the, um,

3139
03:58:43,335 --> 03:58:47,085
the other thing I'd like to say is that, uh, the, um, issue

3140
03:58:47,435 --> 03:58:51,395
about the rural, I turned in a map that addresses the rural use. The people

3141
03:58:51,535 --> 03:58:55,015
who live along. Um, eli, if you look at the map,

3142
03:58:55,815 --> 03:58:59,795
all of them would have a choice to continue as is if they were annexed into

3143
03:59:00,035 --> 03:59:03,955
the city, they'd be also able to add granny units at some time in the future.

3144
03:59:04,785 --> 03:59:08,755
once the utilities are in. What I wanted not see happen is if we try to make

3145
03:59:08,915 --> 03:59:11,955
a circle out of what was um, uh, vallejos lot, 300

3146
03:59:13,255 --> 03:59:17,235
we will end up with making the same mistake was made across the gentleman who just spoke

3147
03:59:17,515 --> 03:59:21,235
that property there, as you see, it's, has a flood problem that wasn't

3148
03:59:21,555 --> 03:59:25,015
settled when the rest of the property was annexed. It's got, uh,

3149
03:59:25,795 --> 03:59:29,735
a no no sidewalks because of that lack of planning. And

3150
03:59:30,255 --> 03:59:33,895
the worst part of it, I think, is that monica's street was closed

3151
03:59:34,415 --> 03:59:38,395
off to being an access to the rest of the city. And I, I

3152
03:59:38,515 --> 03:59:42,355
think it's too large. He could probably tell you that whether monica street could be used

3153
03:59:42,595 --> 03:59:45,435
for a walkway for the children to walk into the other neighborhoods

3154
03:59:46,655 --> 03:59:50,575
and other than walking on corona, which probably won't be fixed for

3155
03:59:50,865 --> 03:59:54,855
some time, I asked in my map, I asked to have a, a walking trail on

3156
03:59:55,075 --> 03:59:59,005
corona. I could um, I could explain why it is the trail

3157
03:59:59,615 --> 04:00:03,385
on, uh, along the rail is on the side. It's on, it's because it's

3158
04:00:03,925 --> 04:00:07,785
delivering freight. It's delivering seeds on the other side, um, that

3159
04:00:08,135 --> 04:00:12,075
the other side of the rail is saved for use to deliver,

3160
04:00:12,655 --> 04:00:16,555
um, rail, uh, rail material. So they put the walkway on the,

3161
04:00:16,675 --> 04:00:19,845
um, north side. Um, what other question?

3162
04:00:21,505 --> 04:00:24,305
um, oh, in, in terms of, uh,

3163
04:00:25,645 --> 04:00:29,645
concentrations, uh, the, the state is expecting us to average in the neighborhood

3164
04:00:30,445 --> 04:00:34,065
of 20 per unit, uh, per acre. And that's, that's

3165
04:00:34,575 --> 04:00:38,485
gonna be difficult to get it designed properly so that it doesn't look like,

3166
04:00:39,145 --> 04:00:42,605
uh, the, the area that we, uh, built, uh, more recently,

3167
04:00:43,185 --> 04:00:46,645
uh, we, we've gotta have, uh, possibly toler buildings but spaced apart.

3168
04:00:47,225 --> 04:00:50,865
so you can see between them and, and give you a feel of, um, uh,

3169
04:00:51,525 --> 04:00:55,325
a a nice modern city not, uh, with, with the

3170
04:00:55,685 --> 04:00:59,185
ground may be covering no more than 80% of any lot.

3171
04:00:59,785 --> 04:01:02,945
anyway. Thank you very much. Thank you darren

3172
04:01:03,865 --> 04:01:05,035
zen to be followed by morgan bellinger.

3173
04:01:11,015 --> 04:01:14,965
thank you mayor and council. And I think from the council's commentary, it's pretty clear everyone

3174
04:01:15,085 --> 04:01:19,045
wants to jump past visioning into implementation. 'cause that's where all the exciting things happen.

3175
04:01:20,125 --> 04:01:24,075
I think a discussion of land use right now, whether it's the general plan or this specific plan,

3176
04:01:24,365 --> 04:01:28,205
were hindered a lot by not understanding what the zoning code is gonna be.

3177
04:01:28,845 --> 04:01:32,645
I would assume the specific plan will be like the cpsp and have its own zoning designations,

3178
04:01:33,625 --> 04:01:37,205
not necessarily one-to-one with our, our izo updates are gonna be,

3179
04:01:38,065 --> 04:01:42,045
so the one that always sticks out to me, whether we're talking general plan or this plan is make or

3180
04:01:42,205 --> 04:01:45,715
micro business, what does that mean? Uh, the general, I mean the name means nothing.

3181
04:01:46,365 --> 04:01:49,965
I get the vision that is invoked by that. But when you look at the actual general

3182
04:01:50,435 --> 04:01:54,425
plan land use designation, it's the same as business park except for a couple uses. So

3183
04:01:55,075 --> 04:01:58,645
what is our eventual, like, what are hints of a potential zoning designation

3184
04:01:59,315 --> 04:02:02,605
that get you there? And I think you could say that about any of these designations.

3185
04:02:03,665 --> 04:02:07,325
you know, we've talked a lot about, uh, design standards. That's something that came up at planning commission.

3186
04:02:08,085 --> 04:02:11,645
I think we've hoped for that citywide. And when we say the word objective design

3187
04:02:12,165 --> 04:02:16,125
standards, we wanna be careful whether we're talking like design guidelines or objective design standards

3188
04:02:16,405 --> 04:02:20,365
for projects that are streamlined under residential projects that are exempt from

3189
04:02:20,605 --> 04:02:24,565
discretionary review to get really clear about what design standards we're talking about. And then

3190
04:02:24,685 --> 04:02:27,765
are those baked into the zoning designations or are those more citywide

3191
04:02:28,785 --> 04:02:32,365
or where do those live in this specific plan? Because when we talk sense of place,

3192
04:02:32,995 --> 04:02:36,905
it's another thing that gets really nebulous without some of that specificity. Uh,

3193
04:02:37,165 --> 04:02:40,995
I like saying sense of place, but it's important to codify like what

3194
04:02:41,285 --> 04:02:44,765
is this place? So we are on the agricultural boundary, we are next to this industrial

3195
04:02:45,435 --> 04:02:49,365
area. We are next to rail. What is that invoke or look like?

3196
04:02:49,685 --> 04:02:53,645
I like the discussion of feathering as we get toward the edges. There's kind of balancing that

3197
04:02:53,805 --> 04:02:57,645
with what we sold voters to even expand this area in the first place, right? It

3198
04:02:57,845 --> 04:03:01,725
was kind of like there was a purpose to doing that. So if we wanna, so I think there's a balance there

3199
04:03:01,965 --> 04:03:05,885
to strike. Uh, and then when it comes to industry and economics, I think

3200
04:03:06,085 --> 04:03:10,005
it is really important to understand who's there and what the capacity is. I would love

3201
04:03:10,165 --> 04:03:13,965
to have grocery stores on every block, but you need a lot of people to support a grocery store that

3202
04:03:14,325 --> 04:03:18,085
actually works and makes money. So, you know, the leghorn shopping center is already right there.

3203
04:03:18,505 --> 04:03:21,905
I'm not sure you're gonna build one in this housing, even if you get 1000

3204
04:03:22,825 --> 04:03:26,765
to 2000, 3000 people that it can support another grocery store and

3205
04:03:26,885 --> 04:03:30,805
you're not that far from the rest of town. So I think an economic component of this, if

3206
04:03:31,005 --> 04:03:34,965
it's an existing condition in the general plan with statistics we can pull from. Excellent.

3207
04:03:35,185 --> 04:03:39,175
and I think when we cross reference plans like that, it is important to have exact

3208
04:03:39,765 --> 04:03:43,685
references. So if you say this is already in the general plan, we already went over that, we don't need to analyze

3209
04:03:44,045 --> 04:03:47,845
that great point right to it. Uh, and we're gonna get there. This is vision.

3210
04:03:48,545 --> 04:03:52,445
I'm just saying for that future plan, we wanna make sure that we integrate these things effectively. But

3211
04:03:52,685 --> 04:03:56,565
I think a real economic stress test of like, here's the amount

3212
04:03:56,765 --> 04:04:00,765
of people we think we're gonna inject per the eir, which will need a some kind of number

3213
04:04:00,965 --> 04:04:04,965
established, uh, what does that mean for actual demand and industry

3214
04:04:05,125 --> 04:04:09,045
impacts? And then yeah, how do we define when we say we want

3215
04:04:09,205 --> 04:04:12,975
these small business rows and everything? What does the zoning code look like to get there? Thank

3216
04:04:13,325 --> 04:04:17,225
you. Thank you morgan bellinger to be followed by

3217
04:04:17,505 --> 04:04:17,725
tom scott.

3218
04:04:25,305 --> 04:04:28,845
uh, good evening. It's great to see this coming together.

3219
04:04:29,545 --> 04:04:33,545
if we get this right, we have an opportunity to make a dent in decades of redlining by

3220
04:04:33,765 --> 04:04:37,565
growing vibrant housing supply. I was disappointed to hear

3221
04:04:37,805 --> 04:04:41,805
a council member relay the story of a neighbor to proposed medium or high density

3222
04:04:42,065 --> 04:04:46,045
zoning saying they would fight tooth and nail against a three story building

3223
04:04:46,125 --> 04:04:49,955
next door. The state has spent the last 20 years taking away

3224
04:04:50,445 --> 04:04:54,275
those teeth and those nails. Most recently with sb 79. Look

3225
04:04:54,565 --> 04:04:58,405
at what's happening in brisbane as of july 1st, the trend of the state

3226
04:04:59,005 --> 04:05:02,675
encouraging housing near transit is only going to intensify over the lifetime of this specific plan.

3227
04:05:03,705 --> 04:05:07,405
but more importantly, measure y and measure b are the foundations for focus

3228
04:05:07,755 --> 04:05:11,285
area one and looking at the enormous margins by which they passed.

3229
04:05:12,405 --> 04:05:16,405
I don't understand why we would entertain such a strange attempt at a hyper-local tooth

3230
04:05:16,565 --> 04:05:20,525
and nail filibuster with those measure y and be foundations. And with

3231
04:05:20,685 --> 04:05:23,995
the state's new orientation towards housing, I question what role unelected

3232
04:05:24,805 --> 04:05:28,635
neighbors with parcels whose zoning isn't changing, have and approving housing on adjacent lots

3233
04:05:28,925 --> 04:05:32,845
that they don't own. I think it'll be helpful to get specific about how they'll be impacted

3234
04:05:34,865 --> 04:05:38,645
if I own a house next to a proposed three story apartment building. The only things that'll

3235
04:05:39,005 --> 04:05:42,725
change about my quiet enjoyment of my home are parking, noise, privacy, and shadows.

3236
04:05:44,025 --> 04:05:48,005
we have a noise ordinance, curtains and fences. I don't know what we can do about

3237
04:05:48,165 --> 04:05:51,425
those pesky shadows. Uh, that brings us to the real issue.

3238
04:05:53,235 --> 04:05:56,775
uh, I hope the plan can include specifics eventually about street parking management.

3239
04:05:57,595 --> 04:06:01,535
nobody owns city street parking in front of their house. And the idea that someone can block

3240
04:06:01,815 --> 04:06:05,705
the will of the voters and the state because someone might

3241
04:06:06,055 --> 04:06:09,525
park there is absurd. Let's implement parking maximums and unbundled

3242
04:06:10,135 --> 04:06:13,535
parking, require overnight parking permits on nearby streets

3243
04:06:14,755 --> 04:06:18,715
and distribute those permits equitably. I know that's very in the

3244
04:06:18,835 --> 04:06:22,475
weeds for a visioning exercise, but when building community support,

3245
04:06:22,905 --> 04:06:26,675
it's important to outline the tools available that we can use to achieve housing justice.

3246
04:06:28,335 --> 04:06:32,225
also, I have a couple of quick, much less severe ideas. Is there a potential

3247
04:06:32,785 --> 04:06:36,735
for a high school anywhere near this, maybe north or east

3248
04:06:37,025 --> 04:06:40,885
of it? It's sad that the nearest options are miles away and

3249
04:06:41,105 --> 04:06:44,625
it seems like a good opportunity for a tech maker or ag integration with a new school.

3250
04:06:46,395 --> 04:06:50,295
and then I appreciate the mayor's comments about grocery access. I think it's critical when imagining

3251
04:06:51,135 --> 04:06:55,015
walkable communities to consider residents getting off the train

3252
04:06:55,635 --> 04:06:59,565
and stopping for dinner ingredients as they walk home from work, although not

3253
04:06:59,785 --> 04:07:02,305
as council member kate thompson mentioned one with a cf parking.

3254
04:07:03,885 --> 04:07:05,745
uh, again, thank you very much for your work on this

3255
04:07:07,915 --> 04:07:09,135
and thank you and tom scott,

3256
04:07:13,445 --> 04:07:17,365
uh, letters for the council that I will give to the

3257
04:07:17,595 --> 04:07:19,865
clerk. Thank you.

3258
04:07:24,645 --> 04:07:28,585
I just wanted to say, uh, thank you for your time tonight and,

3259
04:07:28,945 --> 04:07:32,805
um, I just mainly wanted to come here and hear you deliberate about this subject

3260
04:07:33,345 --> 04:07:37,145
and find out what your different, different opinions are and

3261
04:07:37,365 --> 04:07:39,885
what your positions are. I do have one unusual,

3262
04:07:41,985 --> 04:07:45,845
um, idea that I thought I'd present tonight,

3263
04:07:46,665 --> 04:07:50,085
which is to believe it or not, get a ukrainian tank.

3264
04:07:50,805 --> 04:07:54,795
there's been 4,000 of them captured in, in ukraine by russia, by

3265
04:07:55,015 --> 04:07:58,845
ukrainians from russia. And, uh, I think it would be just

3266
04:07:59,625 --> 04:08:03,295
incredibly strange and, and, uh,

3267
04:08:05,055 --> 04:08:09,015
and it, it, it would kind of put pum

3268
04:08:09,235 --> 04:08:12,175
on the map as far as, um,

3269
04:08:14,065 --> 04:08:17,495
I don't know. I just think it, it represents the, the fight for freedom that that

3270
04:08:18,285 --> 04:08:21,605
has been missing in this country for a long time in a very strange way.

3271
04:08:22,605 --> 04:08:26,595
and, uh, it's an interesting idea. I I just wanted to throw

3272
04:08:26,755 --> 04:08:30,115
it out there. It's not, uh, set in stone, obviously

3273
04:08:30,995 --> 04:08:34,995
, but, uh, we send ships over to europe for ln

3274
04:08:35,315 --> 04:08:39,235
with lng, and so I thought one of them could come back and I thought the ukrainians

3275
04:08:39,755 --> 04:08:42,075
would love the idea of getting more support from the united states

3276
04:08:43,975 --> 04:08:47,955
for, uh, weapons and various things that they might need. It's an

3277
04:08:48,075 --> 04:08:51,515
amazing story, what's going on over there. I think it just, it just really

3278
04:08:52,235 --> 04:08:56,115
fascinates me. Anyway, thank you and I enjoyed hearing

3279
04:08:56,395 --> 04:09:00,275
you deliberate. Thank you. Bye again. With

3280
04:09:00,555 --> 04:09:04,055
that, do we have any hands on zoom for us? We do.

3281
04:09:04,655 --> 04:09:07,685
our first speaker on zoom will be frank cordo,

3282
04:09:14,625 --> 04:09:17,325
if you'd like to unmute and make your comment.

3283
04:09:26,815 --> 04:09:30,425
it looks like we might be having some technical difficulties. He is unmuted,

3284
04:09:30,935 --> 04:09:34,935
but we can't hear you, frank. Um, this is frank cordem.

3285
04:09:35,335 --> 04:09:38,535
can you hear me now? Yes, we can hear you now. Your three minutes starts now.

3286
04:09:39,615 --> 04:09:43,435
uh, I appreciate all the comments of the council members recognizing

3287
04:09:43,795 --> 04:09:47,445
the importance of groundwater recharge and vernal pools

3288
04:09:48,215 --> 04:09:52,085
and, um, I think, uh, I would look along

3289
04:09:52,435 --> 04:09:56,435
with my sister julie groves. I appreciate the opportunity working with all the stake various

3290
04:09:56,835 --> 04:10:00,515
stakeholders, including the groundwater sustainability

3291
04:10:01,495 --> 04:10:04,535
agency and friends of the peloma river and, um,

3292
04:10:05,795 --> 04:10:09,575
resource conservation district and the open space district. Um,

3293
04:10:10,455 --> 04:10:14,335
see if there's ways to protect some of these resources and, uh, and

3294
04:10:14,555 --> 04:10:18,505
improve the health of the aquifer, the peloma valley aquifer.

3295
04:10:19,775 --> 04:10:23,555
um, and I won't repeat the, the council

3296
04:10:24,035 --> 04:10:27,575
members were very eloquent, so I won't repeat what they've had to say, but

3297
04:10:28,275 --> 04:10:31,395
I do want to, uh, note that this is

3298
04:10:32,375 --> 04:10:36,035
the, the property that's being considered for development is basically at the edge

3299
04:10:36,435 --> 04:10:40,335
of the community separators that I think are a valuable resource in

3300
04:10:40,555 --> 04:10:44,275
an era when, um, uh, open spaces

3301
04:10:44,685 --> 04:10:48,495
under siege and not properly valued as, as,

3302
04:10:48,895 --> 04:10:52,845
um, for the benefits that it provides. And so

3303
04:10:53,125 --> 04:10:56,915
I, I appreciate the council's efforts to kinda keep

3304
04:10:57,235 --> 04:11:01,085
that the future development, which is inevitable for this area

3305
04:11:01,375 --> 04:11:04,005
under control. Um, so thank you very much.

3306
04:11:07,995 --> 04:11:11,065
thank you frank and veronica olson,

3307
04:11:13,285 --> 04:11:14,665
please unmute and make your comment.

3308
04:11:31,775 --> 04:11:33,715
veronica, you there should be an option to unmute.

3309
04:11:36,775 --> 04:11:37,395
we can't hear you

3310
04:11:47,715 --> 04:11:50,915
well, veronica,

3311
04:11:56,305 --> 04:11:56,965
we can't hear you.

3312
04:12:08,325 --> 04:12:10,745
and that's our first technical difficulty. I understand.

3313
04:12:12,385 --> 04:12:16,245
and she has not managed to weigh in at this point.

3314
04:12:18,875 --> 04:12:22,315
then she did send a comments comment and, uh, okay. Counsel

3315
04:12:22,955 --> 04:12:26,825
advises me that some comments were received from veronica and, uh, um, if

3316
04:12:27,255 --> 04:12:30,765
there is more we be welcoming and, and a any further

3317
04:12:32,215 --> 04:12:36,185
comment, but lacking the ability to connect with the, the speaker right

3318
04:12:36,565 --> 04:12:40,505
now, we will close public comment on the item and bring

3319
04:12:40,745 --> 04:12:43,885
it back up to council. Um, and,

3320
04:12:45,485 --> 04:12:48,465
um, I, I see, uh, staff would like to weigh in first.

3321
04:12:49,805 --> 04:12:53,345
yes, good evening, mayor council members, heather heinz, special projects

3322
04:12:53,905 --> 04:12:57,535
manager. I just wanted to provide a little bit of, um, context

3323
04:12:58,375 --> 04:13:02,015
with the existing tod plan from

3324
04:13:02,445 --> 04:13:06,085
2013. Um, so

3325
04:13:07,665 --> 04:13:11,055
we're in a much different situation than we were in in 2013

3326
04:13:12,365 --> 04:13:16,315
with regard to this station. Um, this specific plan is

3327
04:13:16,535 --> 04:13:20,205
definitely building on that existing plan. Many

3328
04:13:20,675 --> 04:13:24,015
of the priorities, the recommendations from that

3329
04:13:24,775 --> 04:13:28,655
specific plan are things that the community has continued to

3330
04:13:28,845 --> 04:13:32,325
echo and that annie covered as part of her presentation. There's

3331
04:13:32,895 --> 04:13:36,355
a lot of things that have changed. One, we have the station, um,

3332
04:13:37,475 --> 04:13:41,455
two, we have a new pda in this area, which we did not have in 2013.

3333
04:13:43,075 --> 04:13:46,975
we have the, um, new measure y that was passed

3334
04:13:47,175 --> 04:13:51,135
with the urban growth boundary that got into a little bit more, um, specificity

3335
04:13:51,745 --> 04:13:55,395
about, um, potential annexation area. We,

3336
04:13:55,955 --> 04:13:59,565
um, two out of three of the priority, um, opportunity

3337
04:14:00,345 --> 04:14:04,335
sites around the corona station have already been developed since the development

3338
04:14:04,835 --> 04:14:08,535
of the tod. Many of the transit improvements on mcdowell

3339
04:14:09,165 --> 04:14:12,275
have been completed. The, um,

3340
04:14:13,235 --> 04:14:17,055
the mop along the smart rail has been completed. So there's a lot

3341
04:14:17,435 --> 04:14:21,375
in the existing plan that has been, uh, either

3342
04:14:21,925 --> 04:14:25,495
augmented or completed. And so this specific plan building

3343
04:14:25,955 --> 04:14:29,765
off of that as opposed to ignoring or erasing

3344
04:14:30,255 --> 04:14:33,815
it, when you also look at the 2013 tod,

3345
04:14:34,795 --> 04:14:37,825
the downtown station had about 40 pages about,

3346
04:14:38,915 --> 04:14:42,655
uh, vision and, um, you know, those beautiful pictures

3347
04:14:43,095 --> 04:14:46,575
that are in that, in that plan. Whereas the corona station

3348
04:14:47,115 --> 04:14:50,855
had like five pages. So this is really giving

3349
04:14:51,385 --> 04:14:55,155
this petaluma north station its moment, its attention, the additional

3350
04:14:55,655 --> 04:14:59,115
detail in, into it. So just wanted to make sure

3351
04:15:01,355 --> 04:15:04,895
we didn't take the opportunity to think about that specific plan and that this is

3352
04:15:05,495 --> 04:15:09,075
actually building on it and giving it some of the attention that

3353
04:15:09,945 --> 04:15:13,865
it warrants to take it to the next level. It also, this was,

3354
04:15:14,265 --> 04:15:18,185
um, released as an rfp by the city, so there was opportunity for

3355
04:15:19,125 --> 04:15:23,085
a whole range of consultants to submit and be selected for this to build

3356
04:15:23,245 --> 04:15:26,945
off of it as well. So I just wanted to add that as a little bit of follow up.

3357
04:15:29,395 --> 04:15:33,185
thank you very much. Um, I think we've had a, some good public

3358
04:15:33,465 --> 04:15:36,945
comment. Appreciate that and a good bit of, uh, council dialogue tonight.

3359
04:15:37,685 --> 04:15:41,645
so I'm sure we're, um, trying to synthesize our last, uh, thoughts and last pro

3360
04:15:41,865 --> 04:15:45,695
last questions probably too. I'd like to start with council member barnacle. Well,

3361
04:15:46,105 --> 04:15:50,105
I separated my questions and comments, so I, um, I do have some

3362
04:15:50,935 --> 04:15:54,745
more, uh, extensive stuff. First, thank you to everybody who commented

3363
04:15:55,245 --> 04:15:59,165
in particular nicola and julie for submitting such well thought out,

3364
04:15:59,405 --> 04:16:02,765
um, commentary. Um, and to heather for the background, um,

3365
04:16:03,935 --> 04:16:07,905
when we were looking at the first station project and like literally a catalyst for

3366
04:16:08,105 --> 04:16:11,455
me running one of the lacking pieces was a vision for around this area.

3367
04:16:12,165 --> 04:16:16,045
and it was the lack of consistency between the zoning code and the general plan and

3368
04:16:16,265 --> 04:16:19,895
the stationary master plan and things like that. All that stuff created this like

3369
04:16:20,675 --> 04:16:24,385
chaos of like, well, I don't know what they wanted. Well, this one said this and this one said that.

3370
04:16:24,685 --> 04:16:28,565
so, um, I totally echo what what heather said there. Um,

3371
04:16:28,785 --> 04:16:32,585
it actually really brought back a lot of the sort of traumatic public commentary

3372
04:16:33,145 --> 04:16:36,905
from that process. Um, so thank you. Um, so jumping

3373
04:16:37,215 --> 04:16:40,285
into my comments now, um, um,

3374
04:16:42,045 --> 04:16:45,895
some of the public comments talked about this, but I think one of the things

3375
04:16:46,055 --> 04:16:49,975
about this is like, just as a council, we and the community needs to understand this is

3376
04:16:50,175 --> 04:16:54,135
like, this is a huge community asset. It's not a neighborhood asset. Like

3377
04:16:54,415 --> 04:16:58,375
this is a regional asset. And, um, when you live next to something

3378
04:16:58,735 --> 04:17:02,155
that's desirable, you need to plan to share it. Um,

3379
04:17:02,795 --> 04:17:06,775
and that's like how I feel about this. Um, having worked on the

3380
04:17:06,895 --> 04:17:10,655
first smart campaign intentionally and tabled and called like phone banked

3381
04:17:11,055 --> 04:17:15,055
and worked with your father, um, on this, um, the vision

3382
04:17:15,315 --> 04:17:19,215
was for these walkable communities centered around transit. And that's what we get to plan

3383
04:17:19,495 --> 04:17:23,415
out here. This is like literally the, the vision that like, you know, I didn't

3384
04:17:23,615 --> 04:17:26,995
love trains. I didn't campaign for this because I love trains. I com

3385
04:17:27,695 --> 04:17:31,575
campaign for it because I love walkable communities. So, um, this is

3386
04:17:31,735 --> 04:17:35,195
like an amazing opportunity for us to think about this. Um,

3387
04:17:37,535 --> 04:17:40,855
the, I think a few things that come to mind for me, um,

3388
04:17:42,335 --> 04:17:46,195
the, there's a few parcels that I think are gonna need some

3389
04:17:46,545 --> 04:17:50,475
real thought, uh, in terms of how we make this happen. Um, I don't

3390
04:17:50,635 --> 04:17:54,135
think the whole thing, but I think there's a few of 'em that really do. Uh, one is the,

3391
04:17:55,375 --> 04:17:59,315
the usps building. Like we really need to think about how we

3392
04:17:59,495 --> 04:18:03,015
pry that away from the hands of the federal government. How we

3393
04:18:03,625 --> 04:18:07,585
like, bring in some, you know, maybe large institutional tenant or

3394
04:18:07,805 --> 04:18:11,685
something like that, that wants to be there for a considerable period of time

3395
04:18:11,985 --> 04:18:15,685
and, and put in money and, and be the anchor tenant. But I feel like there's

3396
04:18:16,005 --> 04:18:19,825
some sort of like, you know, I don't want to get too much into the implementation, but

3397
04:18:20,045 --> 04:18:23,605
like give us a little bit of a playbook for how we actually go about that because,

3398
04:18:25,065 --> 04:18:28,745
um, I don't see how we create an identity of the makerspace

3399
04:18:29,185 --> 04:18:32,695
without a few things happening. And that parcel just feels so damn

3400
04:18:33,345 --> 04:18:37,305
critical to actually making, making that sort of vision start to come to life on

3401
04:18:37,505 --> 04:18:40,605
that alley, um, or corridor area. Um,

3402
04:18:41,645 --> 04:18:45,605
the second one that I just didn't see in here again is the rainier at

3403
04:18:45,845 --> 04:18:49,825
1 0 1 going under the highway, like that strip right there

3404
04:18:50,405 --> 04:18:53,655
is this place where there's a ton of people that will funnel down

3405
04:18:54,685 --> 04:18:58,685
and that's gonna be a, there's gonna be a amazing river access

3406
04:18:59,105 --> 04:19:02,985
that's created there. And so like we have to

3407
04:19:03,145 --> 04:19:07,025
think about that last little stretch there where the petaluma transit facility

3408
04:19:07,245 --> 04:19:11,145
is. And then there's another series of small things, and then there's the,

3409
04:19:11,645 --> 04:19:15,625
um, the egg the egg shop. Like how do we make

3410
04:19:15,865 --> 04:19:19,565
that like a welcoming, you know, walk into that area or

3411
04:19:20,445 --> 04:19:24,145
way to transition into that space because that to me is this,

3412
04:19:24,765 --> 04:19:28,705
um, this real, uh, nexus for a lot

3413
04:19:28,825 --> 04:19:32,745
of people to be reemerging back toward the corridor or leaving the

3414
04:19:33,145 --> 04:19:37,105
corridor, passing through the corridor. So, um, and then the

3415
04:19:37,265 --> 04:19:41,225
third area is just the shopping center and thinking through like, how do

3416
04:19:41,425 --> 04:19:45,425
we start to transition this large, probably 40 acre shopping center

3417
04:19:46,015 --> 04:19:49,805
into something. I like the idea of focusing over by lou casey and

3418
04:19:50,225 --> 04:19:53,765
starting to give it some edge and things like that. Um, but I'm

3419
04:19:54,535 --> 04:19:58,425
excited about all those prospects and I would just, uh, encourage

3420
04:19:59,065 --> 04:20:02,525
a little more going deeper on a few of the real, like sticky

3421
04:20:03,185 --> 04:20:06,145
wicket hard, hard topics versus like trying to do everything.

3422
04:20:07,445 --> 04:20:11,395
um, the other thing is I think our maker industrial stuff

3423
04:20:11,925 --> 04:20:15,205
is, a lot of it is just us getting out of our own way.

3424
04:20:16,005 --> 04:20:19,425
um, I think we do need to have some like street design

3425
04:20:20,025 --> 04:20:23,735
standards for this area because obviously they've been

3426
04:20:24,055 --> 04:20:27,665
desi like the design was not for spilling out into the street

3427
04:20:28,125 --> 04:20:32,005
and you know, places like henhouse like sort of had to like go

3428
04:20:32,225 --> 04:20:36,035
against the grain a little bit. And I think the same with, uh, the cannabis dispensary.

3429
04:20:36,725 --> 04:20:40,665
you know, like all of that was, there is like truly industrial space and we're seeing that

3430
04:20:41,005 --> 04:20:44,905
griffo and henhouse and lagunitas. They like, wow, actually people want to come

3431
04:20:45,025 --> 04:20:49,005
here. Um, but it's really hard to do certain things there. And

3432
04:20:49,225 --> 04:20:52,915
I know from talking to places, like I would encourage you to go talk to griffo about

3433
04:20:53,265 --> 04:20:56,745
their experience and trying to have events there and things like that because

3434
04:20:57,415 --> 04:21:01,225
they're still in the middle of a fight, you know, or not a fight, but like

3435
04:21:01,605 --> 04:21:05,595
in the middle of like, I don't think I can do this because of the city's process or

3436
04:21:05,815 --> 04:21:09,735
the city's zoning code. And I don't know all the details of it, but like, it's a, it's a

3437
04:21:09,855 --> 04:21:13,495
health story where like a business tried to be innovative and creative and create this space

3438
04:21:14,155 --> 04:21:17,715
and it's like, I want that and they can, right? And so, um,

3439
04:21:18,565 --> 04:21:22,435
like a lot of it I think is just us getting out of our own way, um, and

3440
04:21:22,655 --> 04:21:25,615
being more flexible and even encouraging that sort of thing.

3441
04:21:26,995 --> 04:21:30,915
um, otherwise those parking lots are just gonna be parking lots, fronting things. We

3442
04:21:31,135 --> 04:21:33,315
need to figure out how we activate 'em. Um,

3443
04:21:36,055 --> 04:21:39,405
then, uh, we talked some about buffers. Um,

3444
04:21:41,775 --> 04:21:45,495
I would prefer to, like, I try not to say what I don't want.

3445
04:21:45,795 --> 04:21:49,775
so, um, but in this case, I don't know how to say it. Like, uh, I

3446
04:21:49,895 --> 04:21:53,735
don't want the big concrete walls that just sort of like create this like,

3447
04:21:54,475 --> 04:21:58,315
you know, really sort of militaristic wall of like, that's

3448
04:21:58,735 --> 04:22:02,635
the city and this is not the city. And we see it down at like south gate, down on, on

3449
04:22:02,855 --> 04:22:06,695
lakeville where the house is, and then there's just this big wall that sort of

3450
04:22:07,225 --> 04:22:11,055
walls off the land and like talk about view sheds and like what's the view shed

3451
04:22:11,335 --> 04:22:15,135
when you're looking at a concrete wall. So I'd love to see us try and like

3452
04:22:15,555 --> 04:22:19,495
do some more integration there. I like the idea of like a green buffer along the edge

3453
04:22:19,855 --> 04:22:22,515
of the, the city properties and stuff. But, um,

3454
04:22:23,935 --> 04:22:27,835
I certainly would hate to see like a big concrete wall around it, you

3455
04:22:28,055 --> 04:22:32,015
know, and like that's the city and out there's the county. Um, I think it really sort of like

3456
04:22:32,835 --> 04:22:36,325
that's what will, in my opinion, like start to really sort of undermine

3457
04:22:36,995 --> 04:22:40,615
the, the integrity of the view sheds and the, and the, just the, the ambiance

3458
04:22:41,135 --> 04:22:44,275
of everything, not necessarily people living there. Um,

3459
04:22:47,515 --> 04:22:51,335
uh, a couple of the council members, I think council member cater thompson talked

3460
04:22:51,735 --> 04:22:55,715
about some of the areas, like outside of the study area, like down under the, the,

3461
04:22:55,995 --> 04:22:59,935
at the, the crossing and whatnot. You're not able to look at that, right? Like

3462
04:23:00,215 --> 04:23:03,435
you're specifically focused in the study area. Right. Okay. Um,

3463
04:23:04,595 --> 04:23:08,555
if so, I've got a few extra things to throw in there. Um, so

3464
04:23:08,775 --> 04:23:12,055
then I just want to get to the housing piece of it. And, uh, I think,

3465
04:23:12,875 --> 04:23:16,745
um, and I think this goes to the, the jobs piece

3466
04:23:17,095 --> 04:23:20,995
of it too is just like, uh, one of the big

3467
04:23:21,155 --> 04:23:24,605
things that we've seen is just like a lot of our greenfield

3468
04:23:25,275 --> 04:23:28,965
growth has not been economically viable long term, right there.

3469
04:23:29,935 --> 04:23:33,775
um, I don't want to see us extending infrastructure out for

3470
04:23:33,995 --> 04:23:37,715
things that where the tax base is not gonna actually cover

3471
04:23:38,055 --> 04:23:42,055
the infrastructure long term. Like let's use this as an opportunity to not

3472
04:23:42,275 --> 04:23:46,035
just like, um, build it because it's easy and the neighborhoods will accept

3473
04:23:46,355 --> 04:23:50,355
it. Um, but like, let's actually like learn from the, the failures

3474
04:23:50,835 --> 04:23:54,815
of, of our current development paradigm and realize that like, you

3475
04:23:55,035 --> 04:23:58,955
know, we need to have, um, some sense of density and walkability and things like

3476
04:23:59,155 --> 04:24:03,065
that to, um, to really encourage it narrow streets. I'd

3477
04:24:03,285 --> 04:24:07,285
like us to design for like 15 mile an hour streets in this area. I don't think

3478
04:24:07,365 --> 04:24:11,245
we're gonna continue to go out. So if we think about this as like

3479
04:24:11,785 --> 04:24:15,725
the final hurrah of, of streets in petaluma maybe is like,

3480
04:24:16,385 --> 04:24:20,325
you know, think about it that way at least, right? If like, what does a 15 mile an hour street look

3481
04:24:20,565 --> 04:24:23,995
like? It probably is very narrow, um, with a, with a sharp edge.

3482
04:24:24,865 --> 04:24:28,715
um, I think we can minimize private open space to encourage more

3483
04:24:29,005 --> 04:24:32,865
of a public lifestyle. Um, so, uh,

3484
04:24:34,525 --> 04:24:38,365
you know, small, lots less open space, things like that, um, really

3485
04:24:38,785 --> 04:24:42,625
sort of like resonates with me. I don't think that this is, I don't think we're designing

3486
04:24:43,045 --> 04:24:46,985
for, um, all the people who currently live here. We're designing for the people

3487
04:24:47,125 --> 04:24:49,005
who might live here. So, um,

3488
04:24:51,305 --> 04:24:55,245
I appreciate council member strips always coming back to advanced mobility. And, um,

3489
04:24:55,845 --> 04:24:59,425
to me like that's like one of the big unknowns in the future

3490
04:25:00,085 --> 04:25:03,535
of, of all this is like autonomous vehicles and like,

3491
04:25:04,375 --> 04:25:08,305
it's like walkability and all that stuff like that really helps with like being a one car household

3492
04:25:08,765 --> 04:25:12,465
or being in, you know, living without a car. But like when we think about the impact of autonomous

3493
04:25:12,905 --> 04:25:16,875
vehicles on people and people who are trying to like eliminate fixed costs

3494
04:25:17,325 --> 04:25:21,025
and eliminate insurance costs and things like that, like eliminating your transportation

3495
04:25:21,595 --> 04:25:25,225
costs and just paying for an autonomous, you know, ride every once in a while,

3496
04:25:25,695 --> 04:25:29,365
like that's the potential, like that's truly disruptive. And so, um,

3497
04:25:30,625 --> 04:25:34,625
I mean, waymo's already approved to come to petaluma. It's just a matter of having a

3498
04:25:34,945 --> 04:25:38,905
business case for it. So, um, I, uh, I'm not saying this

3499
04:25:39,145 --> 04:25:42,965
plan's gonna give him a business case, but I do think, um, it, it

3500
04:25:43,185 --> 04:25:45,045
can contribute to it. Um,

3501
04:25:47,715 --> 04:25:51,375
and then, yeah, I think those

3502
04:25:51,725 --> 04:25:55,045
are my big points. Um, I

3503
04:25:55,775 --> 04:25:59,725
appreciate the comment about not bisecting the property in general. I

3504
04:25:59,845 --> 04:26:03,785
want to create as much flexibility as we can to, um, to see,

3505
04:26:04,425 --> 04:26:08,045
you know, as much affordable by design housing products as we can see.

3506
04:26:08,905 --> 04:26:12,885
um, and, uh, I think you

3507
04:26:13,045 --> 04:26:16,785
nailed the land use designations for, for me personally. So

3508
04:26:17,295 --> 04:26:21,205
thank you. Thank you. Uh, council member

3509
04:26:21,405 --> 04:26:25,375
cater thompson. Um, I agree with council member brian

3510
04:26:25,985 --> 04:26:29,885
barn's comments, um, but I just wanna bring, come back to, um, we don't really want this

3511
04:26:30,045 --> 04:26:33,875
to be a food desert. You don't have to have huge grocery stores. They

3512
04:26:34,165 --> 04:26:37,765
can be smaller. Um, you know, maybe you're not gonna get all your items,

3513
04:26:38,305 --> 04:26:41,605
but you have your basics there. And so I think that that's really important.

3514
04:26:42,945 --> 04:26:46,725
um, and I just think that, um, you know, with the, I do want more flexibility,

3515
04:26:48,145 --> 04:26:51,885
um, and when we were talking about the land, um, and the

3516
04:26:52,365 --> 04:26:55,545
moderate size homes, I'd like to see small and moderate, um,

3517
04:26:56,395 --> 04:26:59,855
lots, I mean smaller lots, but, um, moderate and smaller homes,

3518
04:27:01,065 --> 04:27:04,125
um, combination. And I am,

3519
04:27:05,755 --> 04:27:09,215
I'm really not looking forward. I I'm not looking at apartments in this area.

3520
04:27:09,795 --> 04:27:13,735
I'm looking at more condos for sale housing is really what

3521
04:27:13,975 --> 04:27:17,715
I'd like to, um, see in this area. So people have an opportunity to

3522
04:27:18,205 --> 04:27:21,975
move back to this city and actually live here, such as my grandkids

3523
04:27:22,295 --> 04:27:26,255
and other people. Um, I think that's just

3524
04:27:26,455 --> 04:27:30,335
really all I have to say except the, um, I realize that with sid commons

3525
04:27:30,775 --> 04:27:34,435
that that's not part of this, but I think we need to look at the bridge access

3526
04:27:35,515 --> 04:27:39,015
and going underneath the rail bridge just as the larger picture

3527
04:27:39,755 --> 04:27:43,495
of, um, mobility, um, with, within the general

3528
04:27:43,845 --> 04:27:47,245
plan that would incorporate, um, that into this plan also.

3529
04:27:47,875 --> 04:27:51,615
thanks. And just for the audience at home, that's a pedestrian

3530
04:27:52,165 --> 04:27:55,675
bike. Um, bridging it is a pedestrian bike and

3531
04:27:56,185 --> 04:27:59,775
maybe emergency vehicle bridge is all, I mean, it's basically

3532
04:28:00,215 --> 04:28:04,135
just a bridge so you can get across. It's not a road. It's not a road.

3533
04:28:04,325 --> 04:28:06,815
okay. No, thank you vice mayor di carly.

3534
04:28:10,545 --> 04:28:14,155
thank you. The, uh, the first thing I would like, I would like to address is,

3535
04:28:14,875 --> 04:28:17,815
you know, housing in the, the, what's being called the transit village,

3536
04:28:18,995 --> 04:28:22,935
um, you know, in, in land use with the general plan, we've done a

3537
04:28:23,055 --> 04:28:26,855
lot of back and forth and, and, you know, a lot of negotiating on how to reach

3538
04:28:27,095 --> 04:28:29,995
our numbers. And we did, and I think we exceeded them. Um, but

3539
04:28:31,415 --> 04:28:35,345
I, you know, something like going beyond the current urban, urban

3540
04:28:35,695 --> 04:28:39,495
growth boundary should be a last resort. If we don't have enough housing

3541
04:28:39,875 --> 04:28:43,635
in town, if we can't get enough infill, if we didn't meet our numbers, um,

3542
04:28:44,075 --> 04:28:47,895
you know, we had measure y to renew the urban growth boundary.

3543
04:28:48,175 --> 04:28:52,135
I, I supported that. I think it's been a great thing for petaluma, but I think, uh, in part

3544
04:28:52,375 --> 04:28:55,855
it was a little deceptive to add areas of potential expansion

3545
04:28:56,455 --> 04:28:59,685
because most voters, I believe, were under the impression that

3546
04:29:00,515 --> 04:29:04,215
we were renewing the boundary, not adding to it, which is

3547
04:29:04,685 --> 04:29:08,515
what we're talking about right now. And so, you know, we, we

3548
04:29:08,735 --> 04:29:12,535
shouldn't be building over there, you know, everybody up here loves to talk about

3549
04:29:12,795 --> 04:29:16,135
how they wanna preserve and save farmland and protect our rural character.

3550
04:29:17,495 --> 04:29:21,465
that's a few hundred acres of farmland. That's, that's its own

3551
04:29:21,585 --> 04:29:25,585
little pocket of it between eli, the railroad tracks and corona of farmland.

3552
04:29:26,725 --> 04:29:30,635
and, you know, once that's gone, it's gone and we shouldn't

3553
04:29:30,875 --> 04:29:34,825
be expanding into it. There's, there's no way to feather that

3554
04:29:35,175 --> 04:29:38,715
off and make that, you know, more palatable.

3555
04:29:39,475 --> 04:29:43,475
I think. Um, it's, it's, you're gonna be looking at development no matter what.

3556
04:29:44,055 --> 04:29:47,675
and for the mtc standards, it's gonna have to be extremely dense.

3557
04:29:48,935 --> 04:29:52,875
so there's, there's not gonna be kind of what's talked about up here

3558
04:29:53,035 --> 04:29:56,975
of all these small homes everywhere. It's, it's gonna have to meet a minimum standard for

3559
04:29:57,195 --> 04:30:00,885
the city to qualify for grant money, otherwise we don't qualify for it.

3560
04:30:02,485 --> 04:30:06,425
and, and part of me wonders if that's the whole reason we're doing the plan anyway,

3561
04:30:06,825 --> 04:30:10,725
is just to do grant is just to get grant money and, you

3562
04:30:10,945 --> 04:30:14,905
know, so is this, is this for petaluma? Is this what petaluma really wants or is this to

3563
04:30:15,065 --> 04:30:18,685
get more grant money for transit? It, and,

3564
04:30:19,205 --> 04:30:23,085
you know, I appreciate the comments. I didn't know anybody else that's gonna bring this up. But, um,

3565
04:30:24,095 --> 04:30:27,675
talking about water and those lower areas that flood,

3566
04:30:28,525 --> 04:30:32,095
um, it is a recharge for the aquifers down there. And that soil

3567
04:30:32,835 --> 04:30:36,805
throughout those few hundred acres is, is a very sandy soil. It

3568
04:30:37,025 --> 04:30:40,875
absorbs water like crazy. And water's an extremely important asset

3569
04:30:41,225 --> 04:30:45,085
around here. And I don't think we should, I don't think we should choke off the

3570
04:30:45,305 --> 04:30:49,145
aquifer's potential to recharge itself. So, you know, it's

3571
04:30:49,385 --> 04:30:53,295
not just the lower area that floods annually during the winter, it's,

3572
04:30:53,585 --> 04:30:57,505
it's that entire area. And then if we build over it, we're also

3573
04:30:57,665 --> 04:30:59,465
gonna have the problem of runoff from it as well.

3574
04:31:02,095 --> 04:31:05,935
then, um, you know, another, another problem with looking

3575
04:31:06,445 --> 04:31:10,105
at putting housing over there is one I mentioned I think during the

3576
04:31:10,705 --> 04:31:14,705
economic plan, but, um, if we

3577
04:31:14,825 --> 04:31:18,615
put housing next to industrial, which lagunitas is very close, it's

3578
04:31:18,905 --> 04:31:22,665
almost right on the other side, you, you introduce the potential

3579
04:31:23,125 --> 04:31:27,055
for problems between housing and industrial. You know, in

3580
04:31:27,215 --> 04:31:31,125
my example last time, which is happening right now, is over on first street, you have alex

3581
04:31:31,595 --> 04:31:35,375
ice cream and they're leaving and they have some reasons

3582
04:31:35,675 --> 04:31:39,675
for it, but they've been getting hounded for months and months and months because at

3583
04:31:39,895 --> 04:31:43,815
some point the city allowed housing to be built right next to them, and then the

3584
04:31:43,975 --> 04:31:47,615
noise they create to do their business became a big problem for the residents there.

3585
04:31:48,275 --> 04:31:51,775
and I can understand people being upset about noise, but this was a situation

3586
04:31:52,485 --> 04:31:56,295
that should have never been. And so we shouldn't

3587
04:31:56,795 --> 04:32:00,775
be encouraging housing near industrial areas in places

3588
04:32:01,155 --> 04:32:05,095
of business where there's gonna be noise, where there's gonna be smells, where there's gonna be work

3589
04:32:05,295 --> 04:32:08,055
at all hours. You know, we shouldn't be doing that.

3590
04:32:09,655 --> 04:32:13,655
I do appreciate that, um, that this plan

3591
04:32:13,925 --> 04:32:17,775
does really look at the businesses that are existing and, you know,

3592
04:32:18,015 --> 04:32:21,875
promotes, promotes finding ways to make, you know, to help them out, to

3593
04:32:22,095 --> 04:32:25,635
create opportunities for new businesses. Um, I would like to see,

3594
04:32:26,595 --> 04:32:30,495
you know, the, the rail is such an important asset in petaluma. I

3595
04:32:30,735 --> 04:32:34,445
I think it would be foolish not to look at more ways we can be creative and try to utilize

3596
04:32:34,965 --> 04:32:38,735
that for freight. You know, that would help smart, that would help our economy,

3597
04:32:39,995 --> 04:32:43,795
um, that would do a lot of things. Um, but anyway, I do appreciate the

3598
04:32:44,175 --> 04:32:47,495
emphasis on trying to help businesses. I think that

3599
04:32:48,715 --> 04:32:52,375
at this point, we shouldn't take the 2013 plan off the table.

3600
04:32:53,145 --> 04:32:57,125
thank you, heather, for filling in some stuff on that, but I don't think we should

3601
04:32:57,285 --> 04:33:01,285
be taking it off the table. I mean, it's very, very much in line with what we're talking

3602
04:33:01,445 --> 04:33:05,325
about tonight. I think if we use that as the foundation, I think that

3603
04:33:05,485 --> 04:33:09,485
would save us a lot of money and, you know, and a lot of headache too.

3604
04:33:10,305 --> 04:33:14,205
um, because that area is largely unchanged, you know, the station is built.

3605
04:33:14,605 --> 04:33:18,605
I mean, I think the big difference was the 2013 plan as far as

3606
04:33:18,685 --> 04:33:22,435
the corona station went, emphasized that, um, through

3607
04:33:22,925 --> 04:33:26,745
their findings that this was mostly gonna be a park and ride station and

3608
04:33:26,985 --> 04:33:30,985
not housing oriented. And so obviously now there's, there's development

3609
04:33:31,465 --> 04:33:34,545
going on where they had proposed parking in their plan,

3610
04:33:35,525 --> 04:33:39,185
but, um, you know, that's, that's really the major difference. And then there's a huge

3611
04:33:39,585 --> 04:33:43,585
emphasis on obviously the downtown station. There's actually, I mean,

3612
04:33:43,735 --> 04:33:47,465
it's, that is probably the best plan that I've read through. It's a little over 200

3613
04:33:47,785 --> 04:33:51,745
pages long and it's extremely detailed. It's extremely thoughtful.

3614
04:33:52,885 --> 04:33:56,145
it has design standards in it, you know, mostly for downtown.

3615
04:33:56,965 --> 04:34:00,805
and it, and it gives a vision of what petaluma wants to see, you

3616
04:34:01,025 --> 04:34:04,945
know, at least at the downtown station. But I would love in

3617
04:34:05,105 --> 04:34:09,065
this plan coming forward to see actual design standards and what we want this to

3618
04:34:09,185 --> 04:34:12,705
look like, and not leaving it up to whichever developer

3619
04:34:13,265 --> 04:34:17,225
comes along, you know, what, what their vision is for it, because it

3620
04:34:17,445 --> 04:34:21,365
should be what petaluma's vision is. And so I, I

3621
04:34:21,485 --> 04:34:25,395
really don't think we should be taking the 2013 plan off the table. I think actually between

3622
04:34:25,885 --> 04:34:29,845
now and the next time this comes back, that plan should be sent to

3623
04:34:30,085 --> 04:34:34,005
all of us. Everybody should look at it, read through it, really understand what we're

3624
04:34:34,245 --> 04:34:38,205
being asked tonight to let expire and go away. Um, I think it's actually a

3625
04:34:38,325 --> 04:34:41,245
very, very important plan that would be great for petaluma.

3626
04:34:43,705 --> 04:34:47,465
and then, you know, I, I kind of wanna emphasize again,

3627
04:34:48,085 --> 04:34:51,925
um, that this vision also includes some, you

3628
04:34:52,145 --> 04:34:55,545
know, some real stuff in it. Um, as far as different demographics

3629
04:34:56,485 --> 04:35:00,305
and what's gonna happen with the market and what the actual impact of this plan could

3630
04:35:00,585 --> 04:35:03,705
be. I think that's, that's extremely important. We can't,

3631
04:35:04,745 --> 04:35:08,745
I, I don't think we should be approving a plan without knowing what that plan's going to actually

3632
04:35:08,825 --> 04:35:12,785
do. And then, um, I wanna see more

3633
04:35:13,225 --> 04:35:17,105
emphasis on, you know, what view sheds and sense of place we're trying to

3634
04:35:17,385 --> 04:35:21,385
preserve and what that actually means, you know, because again, that's, that's why people live

3635
04:35:21,625 --> 04:35:24,215
here. That's why people move here. And I think that

3636
04:35:25,685 --> 04:35:29,185
the people that are here are the ones that we really need to be taking care of.

3637
04:35:30,165 --> 04:35:34,045
you know, it's, they, they make a huge investment to move here, to live here, and

3638
04:35:34,265 --> 04:35:37,865
they all wanna be here, and we, we need to respect that.

3639
04:35:39,625 --> 04:35:43,405
and then as far as, you know, again, I'll go into mcdowell.

3640
04:35:43,965 --> 04:35:47,585
I don't, I don't think we should be looking at or redesign there. Um,

3641
04:35:49,085 --> 04:35:53,065
I don't, I don't think that should be part of the vision. There's a lot of connectivity in that area and

3642
04:35:55,135 --> 04:35:58,615
putting more emphasis into something. We just spent $12 million redoing,

3643
04:35:59,525 --> 04:36:03,325
uh, we shouldn't, we shouldn't be. And so that's,

3644
04:36:03,955 --> 04:36:07,845
those are my main comments about it. Um, you know, as far as,

3645
04:36:10,095 --> 04:36:13,935
as far as what you want us to actually consider tonight, the 89

3646
04:36:14,905 --> 04:36:18,875
plan, um, does seem largely completed. You know,

3647
04:36:19,075 --> 04:36:22,795
I I, I don't see any reason at this point to keep that

3648
04:36:23,775 --> 04:36:27,435
the 2013 plan. Like I said, I don't think we should be taking off the table. We should,

3649
04:36:28,135 --> 04:36:31,615
we should be considering making that the foundation for this and keeping it.

3650
04:36:33,055 --> 04:36:36,785
and then, um, you know, the third one about including

3651
04:36:37,655 --> 04:36:41,605
the transit village for annexation, I don't support that.

3652
04:36:42,365 --> 04:36:45,085
I think that's farmland. And I think we need to keep that farmland,

3653
04:36:46,825 --> 04:36:50,665
uh, focused development planning on transit village and healthy health

3654
04:36:51,365 --> 04:36:55,065
district sub areas. Yeah, I mean, I can see a lot of that being necessary.

3655
04:36:55,925 --> 04:36:59,575
um, I mean, as far as the grocery stores go, we have one safeway

3656
04:37:00,405 --> 04:37:03,665
few minutes away, another safeway, maybe less than 10 minutes.

3657
04:37:04,815 --> 04:37:08,705
aras a trader, joe's a grocery outlet going in. There's palace of fruit, there's

3658
04:37:09,105 --> 04:37:13,105
a couple little quickie marts. I mean, there's, there's a lot of stuff within a few minutes

3659
04:37:13,525 --> 04:37:17,465
of this area. And you know, I think if we were gonna even look

3660
04:37:17,665 --> 04:37:21,585
at putting a grocery, another grocery store in there, some type of market, we'd have to look at

3661
04:37:21,705 --> 04:37:25,225
how those would be impacted. And then,

3662
04:37:26,045 --> 04:37:29,625
you know, the next one, mcdowell, I don't support that.

3663
04:37:31,195 --> 04:37:34,305
um, you know, and then maybe,

3664
04:37:35,655 --> 04:37:39,385
yeah, I don't know. I mean, the next two are I've, I've kind of mentioned already, but those

3665
04:37:39,705 --> 04:37:43,315
are my main comments on this. Thank you very much.

3666
04:37:43,895 --> 04:37:47,535
um, council member now. Um, thank you. Um,

3667
04:37:49,365 --> 04:37:53,135
first off, mcdowell has to be safer. So

3668
04:37:53,855 --> 04:37:57,755
I'm all for safer streets. And, um, I forget which

3669
04:37:57,915 --> 04:38:01,425
councilman cater thompson about less driveways, because

3670
04:38:02,095 --> 04:38:05,035
if you have gone into henhouse or over to the farmhouse,

3671
04:38:06,135 --> 04:38:09,895
it, it's very confusing and I like to see

3672
04:38:10,705 --> 04:38:14,395
that improved. And, um, I would

3673
04:38:14,825 --> 04:38:18,755
also like to see, um, our first time

3674
04:38:19,035 --> 04:38:22,595
home buyers have an opportunity to have a supply to purchase

3675
04:38:23,185 --> 04:38:27,145
something that's not over a thousand square feet, that

3676
04:38:27,435 --> 04:38:31,355
they're smaller. Um, some of my, um, very favorite

3677
04:38:31,475 --> 04:38:35,145
people are first time owned buyers in the brody ranch subdivision,

3678
04:38:36,255 --> 04:38:39,435
and their kids go to corona creek and to meadow school.

3679
04:38:40,575 --> 04:38:44,115
and I, they're, they're very happy and that neighborhood,

3680
04:38:44,595 --> 04:38:48,555
they just wanna walk to log and need us. And, um, it is a

3681
04:38:48,675 --> 04:38:52,515
real tourist opportunity. We have griffo who has bands that

3682
04:38:52,755 --> 04:38:56,005
play out in their parking lot. We've got the farmhouse, we've got

3683
04:38:56,905 --> 04:39:00,365
the henhouse, we've got lag anitas, we've got this central

3684
04:39:01,235 --> 04:39:05,205
milling and skippy's can expand. It's a market.

3685
04:39:05,845 --> 04:39:09,845
I mean, you go in there and you can buy pretty much everything on your shopping list and I can get

3686
04:39:09,965 --> 04:39:13,765
my clover products. So, um, we do wanna look

3687
04:39:14,005 --> 04:39:17,965
at those opportunities and maybe even a shuttle

3688
04:39:18,595 --> 04:39:22,525
that they could work on. I don't know who, how then they would

3689
04:39:22,685 --> 04:39:26,335
pay for it, but connecting that neighborhood to those local

3690
04:39:27,005 --> 04:39:30,865
businesses and to the smart station. Um, and

3691
04:39:31,545 --> 04:39:35,165
it would be a great mixed use area, um, where you have

3692
04:39:35,565 --> 04:39:38,665
restaurants and then above the restaurants you have the,

3693
04:39:39,585 --> 04:39:43,385
you know, uh, a tenant and you have, um,

3694
04:39:44,035 --> 04:39:47,755
like we have downtown in the industrial area off of first street acas

3695
04:39:48,045 --> 04:39:51,725
cafe that would be perfect in that little area, which is a community

3696
04:39:52,265 --> 04:39:55,845
hub that people go and have coffee in their neighborhood.

3697
04:39:56,865 --> 04:40:00,765
so there's lots of opportunities. I, um, really like the things

3698
04:40:00,925 --> 04:40:04,905
that council member bartle had to say for his vision and, um,

3699
04:40:05,545 --> 04:40:09,525
the other council member. So I'm looking forward to seeing this, come back and see what

3700
04:40:09,725 --> 04:40:13,225
we can do in the future. Thank you. Thank you. Council member schibs.

3701
04:40:14,675 --> 04:40:18,485
okay. Thank you for the reports and all the discussions. I agree with just about everything that's

3702
04:40:18,805 --> 04:40:22,475
been said. Um, I'd just like to add on what, uh, um, um, council

3703
04:40:22,965 --> 04:40:26,215
member alex was saying about the, um, the roads.

3704
04:40:27,045 --> 04:40:31,005
I sort of agree with the north mcdo section that since we just put that money in, but we, what

3705
04:40:31,285 --> 04:40:35,285
we didn't do was actually from, uh, the section that's actually just south

3706
04:40:35,525 --> 04:40:38,925
of there that goes all the way to washington street, that was not repaved and redone.

3707
04:40:39,545 --> 04:40:43,525
and that is actually fairly the more dangerous section for transport

3708
04:40:43,945 --> 04:40:47,875
by both walking and by bike because I've been on that area

3709
04:40:48,445 --> 04:40:52,365
a lot. Um, so that the graph that you showed might be a

3710
04:40:52,485 --> 04:40:56,485
good concept for the section between washington and then all the way to

3711
04:40:56,685 --> 04:41:00,645
the trained, uh, tracks where they cross. 'cause that's about where, where things are are change over.

3712
04:41:01,745 --> 04:41:05,485
so I, I'd like to keep that concept in there. But more important than

3713
04:41:05,765 --> 04:41:09,405
that road is the corona road, um, that was also mentioned.

3714
04:41:10,505 --> 04:41:14,445
we need to have that concept developed and we need to work with the county

3715
04:41:14,865 --> 04:41:18,825
to make sure that the road all the way to, um, adobe road and all

3716
04:41:19,045 --> 04:41:22,885
the way to, uh, pum boulevard, what does that redesign actually look like

3717
04:41:23,065 --> 04:41:27,035
to support all this new housing? And part

3718
04:41:27,325 --> 04:41:31,205
of that new road has gotta be these pathways and all these

3719
04:41:31,525 --> 04:41:35,115
students that are gonna be living there, there's no school in that little section. None was being mentioned,

3720
04:41:35,725 --> 04:41:39,085
or just where are they gonna go to school and how are they going to get there

3721
04:41:39,785 --> 04:41:43,235
by walking and biking. What pathway is there

3722
04:41:44,015 --> 04:41:47,835
to go from that little section to where they need to be in

3723
04:41:48,055 --> 04:41:51,875
a safe manner so that they're not have to be driven. So that

3724
04:41:52,165 --> 04:41:55,605
path has to be established as a key safe routes to school program.

3725
04:41:56,745 --> 04:42:00,525
how they, how they make that happen. So that, that is absolutely critical,

3726
04:42:01,025 --> 04:42:04,965
uh, that they get through a neighborhood. Um, and then over to the area. So they can go

3727
04:42:05,125 --> 04:42:08,685
to the law school district or to the corona school or to the junior high school.

3728
04:42:09,195 --> 04:42:13,045
that all needs to be mapped out now. Uh, so that there, that those routes

3729
04:42:13,325 --> 04:42:17,325
are established. Um, uh, I also like to comment about the, the, the

3730
04:42:17,485 --> 04:42:21,335
feathering, but I'd like to enhance that. Feathering would be nice as on the edges,

3731
04:42:22,145 --> 04:42:25,735
not the brick walls that were mentioned, but we need to have gardens and trees

3732
04:42:26,915 --> 04:42:30,525
that lead up to non fencing backyards,

3733
04:42:31,135 --> 04:42:34,885
which then leads up to more landscaping in a backyard, which then goes

3734
04:42:35,145 --> 04:42:39,005
to a single family house, which then leads to maybe a, a two

3735
04:42:39,205 --> 04:42:43,065
story, then three story inland. So that feathering up needs to be not just the buildings, but

3736
04:42:43,355 --> 04:42:46,955
also the landscape needs to be feathered right down to the rural area.

3737
04:42:48,065 --> 04:42:52,005
and maybe even include commun a community garden area in the area as a community

3738
04:42:52,325 --> 04:42:55,885
space to, that folks can work on, on those areas so that we actually have

3739
04:42:56,575 --> 04:43:00,575
rural actual production in these areas that are on these edges.

3740
04:43:01,835 --> 04:43:05,555
okay. Then on, um, there's another idea

3741
04:43:05,865 --> 04:43:09,225
that's come up. I saw, uh, earlier at another city did, um,

3742
04:43:10,415 --> 04:43:14,325
these parcels, unless you organize it, well all gonna be bought

3743
04:43:14,705 --> 04:43:18,605
one at a time, but by a developer or some prospector that's gonna go, okay,

3744
04:43:18,805 --> 04:43:22,405
I'm just gonna buy the land and just to sit on it and I'm gonna force people to be buy a lot more

3745
04:43:23,105 --> 04:43:27,005
or pay a lot more for it later down the road. 'cause I, I'm gonna control this land. I've seen that

3746
04:43:27,165 --> 04:43:31,045
happen in other cities. Whereas one city said, no, we're not doing that.

3747
04:43:31,415 --> 04:43:34,395
we're gonna form a development corporation nonprofit,

3748
04:43:36,405 --> 04:43:40,365
quasi-governmental private, and it's a nonprofit and they

3749
04:43:40,765 --> 04:43:44,745
actually like sponsored with the bank and they go out and, and say,

3750
04:43:44,965 --> 04:43:48,825
okay, we're gonna buy all the land from all the people at equitable price and,

3751
04:43:49,105 --> 04:43:52,805
and nobody gets a dime until everybody agrees to pay the equitable price.

3752
04:43:53,465 --> 04:43:57,045
so we need to have this corporation, nonprofit buy all the land ahead of time

3753
04:43:57,985 --> 04:44:01,475
now and then work with the developer to get it developed.

3754
04:44:02,125 --> 04:44:05,895
maybe even a design build type of design as we go forward. So

3755
04:44:06,225 --> 04:44:09,915
that process needs to be put in place now. 'cause if you could leave it up, always

3756
04:44:10,275 --> 04:44:14,155
leave the parcels out there, whoever wants to come develop, come develop, no, that's not gonna work

3757
04:44:14,355 --> 04:44:18,195
at all. That's gonna be a crazy mishmash of craziness that we don't

3758
04:44:18,395 --> 04:44:22,345
want to go toward. So that way that, that's a, I want to reemphasize that

3759
04:44:22,635 --> 04:44:25,915
process. The purchasing and the development plan needs to be organized,

3760
04:44:26,795 --> 04:44:30,495
holistic, singular entity in the middle before

3761
04:44:30,915 --> 04:44:34,475
it's released to developers. Okay. Then on the um,

3762
04:44:35,335 --> 04:44:38,995
um, I mentioned the corona road and what, what is not included in the master plan,

3763
04:44:39,605 --> 04:44:43,355
which is in the circle was the auction house and that property there

3764
04:44:43,655 --> 04:44:47,235
that's inside that circle. What, what are your plans for that

3765
04:44:47,675 --> 04:44:51,585
property? Is that gonna be housing? Is it going to be park? Is it going to

3766
04:44:51,705 --> 04:44:55,365
stay the way it is? Because right now it's used as a parking lot for trucks, um,

3767
04:44:55,725 --> 04:44:59,685
um, uh, a base of hotdog restaurant and occasionally may

3768
04:44:59,905 --> 04:45:03,905
be used even as an auction house once in a while. Um, but that, that's a one of those

3769
04:45:03,985 --> 04:45:07,985
properties that, okay, it's up for grabs as to what could it be, could it be a complete wetlands

3770
04:45:08,465 --> 04:45:12,345
area as a park part of the greenway? Could it be that? But that

3771
04:45:12,505 --> 04:45:14,785
has to be included in, 'cause that's part of that circle right there.

3772
04:45:16,655 --> 04:45:20,635
um, then on the, um, oh one

3773
04:45:20,835 --> 04:45:24,755
recommendation ahead of time, since all this makerspace and we're talking about all these

3774
04:45:24,915 --> 04:45:28,235
places that may and, and all these mobile homes that we

3775
04:45:29,015 --> 04:45:32,915
are talking about. I don't know how many of us actually walked it or biked in this and

3776
04:45:33,235 --> 04:45:37,005
actually gone through all these neighborhoods to really feel it and see it. So maybe

3777
04:45:37,375 --> 04:45:41,335
we should have the whole council get on bikes and, and take a ride and

3778
04:45:41,555 --> 04:45:45,395
go down all these streets on a day and, and, and really see it. Or at

3779
04:45:45,595 --> 04:45:49,495
least a group of folks work group, whatever you have should actually physically go

3780
04:45:49,715 --> 04:45:53,705
out there and see it together as a group and talk about it as they're going and make

3781
04:45:53,995 --> 04:45:57,675
a, a whole day tour out of it. Nice easy bike ride tour of these areas.

3782
04:45:58,455 --> 04:46:02,395
so I'd like to see that happen with your work group and with you guys actually do that so that you understand

3783
04:46:02,915 --> 04:46:06,365
what it's like to bike and walk in these areas.

3784
04:46:07,395 --> 04:46:11,195
'cause then you gotta feel it. You just can't look at it from a map and, and think about it. No, you gotta feel

3785
04:46:11,435 --> 04:46:15,395
these things. So I really highly recommend you actually get out there, um, maybe with

3786
04:46:15,595 --> 04:46:19,555
some of us and let's take a tour. Um, so otherwise I like everything that

3787
04:46:19,635 --> 04:46:23,355
that's been said and what, what you're working on and let's make it all happen as soon as possible.

3788
04:46:23,895 --> 04:46:27,855
so those are my comments. Thank you. Thank you. And we are at now at nine minutes to

3789
04:46:28,075 --> 04:46:32,035
11 and I'm gonna try and bring it in under the wire so we don't have to have a vote for

3790
04:46:32,235 --> 04:46:35,935
after 11. Um, first, um, I, I thank, uh,

3791
04:46:36,305 --> 04:46:39,875
council member di carly for, uh, saying such kind things about the 2013

3792
04:46:40,615 --> 04:46:44,035
report. I'll get to go home and tell my wife who was on that committee,

3793
04:46:44,895 --> 04:46:48,875
um, that she did a great job. Um, she did think that the corona

3794
04:46:49,195 --> 04:46:53,115
station effort was kind of a little ticktack onto the edge of the big thing

3795
04:46:53,555 --> 04:46:57,495
downtown. Um, but that, that's how that works. Uh, and I would concur, um,

3796
04:46:57,815 --> 04:47:01,675
on the park, um, and, um, community gardens,

3797
04:47:02,175 --> 04:47:06,155
uh, and we have the showcase for that, that sunrise community gardens is the gem of the city

3798
04:47:06,455 --> 04:47:10,125
for, for gardens and the it's in the work area to could

3799
04:47:10,475 --> 04:47:13,955
be replicated. Um, also in the ugb,

3800
04:47:14,575 --> 04:47:18,215
uh, I mean, we told the voters we were reducing the

3801
04:47:18,915 --> 04:47:22,775
possible annexations by three quarters and we only left in the one who

3802
04:47:22,995 --> 04:47:26,265
we thought had value because of the corona station. So we really reduced

3803
04:47:27,215 --> 04:47:30,835
all potential encroachment into ugb when we did that,

3804
04:47:31,255 --> 04:47:35,055
um, when we in our public messaging there. Um,

3805
04:47:35,855 --> 04:47:39,695
and broadly I would agree with, um, what, uh, council member barnacle and

3806
04:47:39,915 --> 04:47:43,795
cater thompson mentioned. Um, and then I did like, uh, council

3807
04:47:44,035 --> 04:47:47,565
member shrives bringing up biking because, uh, when rebuilding had their

3808
04:47:48,065 --> 04:47:51,965
big workday, uh, I like to get out and thank the work crews and an awful lot of 'em from

3809
04:47:52,085 --> 04:47:55,825
the mobile home parks. And so I just bike on across and, and there I am in

3810
04:47:56,165 --> 04:47:59,715
doodling around the middle neighborhood. So I've got a good feel for that. But also,

3811
04:48:00,225 --> 04:48:03,975
um, you know, you're a bicyclist too. Um, we can shoot

3812
04:48:04,425 --> 04:48:08,325
up the smart trail to smart's offices for a meeting so we can

3813
04:48:08,485 --> 04:48:12,105
attend. And thank god for the e-bike. I arrive polite. But, um,

3814
04:48:13,065 --> 04:48:17,045
the, uh, but we have great access and I want to continue

3815
04:48:17,165 --> 04:48:21,125
to have the group have great focus on mobility. Um, but now healthy

3816
04:48:21,535 --> 04:48:25,245
petaluma's offices is in the smart offices. And so, you know, that's

3817
04:48:25,605 --> 04:48:29,565
another business meeting I get to go to that's easy access. Uh, we had

3818
04:48:29,725 --> 04:48:33,245
this county supervisor debates at, uh, healthy petaluma or at, um, petaluma

3819
04:48:33,805 --> 04:48:37,505
health center and, uh, able to bike to that pretty darn easily too.

3820
04:48:38,015 --> 04:48:41,825
we're making pieces come together in this town. It's very cool. Um,

3821
04:48:42,195 --> 04:48:46,085
also we had transit day at the jc and, and we, we biked over

3822
04:48:46,345 --> 04:48:50,225
to that and, um, uh, uh,

3823
04:48:51,225 --> 04:48:54,765
if I wasn't here tonight, I would've been watching, uh, the, the game

3824
04:48:55,365 --> 04:48:59,225
. Don't say the answer, anybody who was watching, I'm got that taped. But

3825
04:48:59,445 --> 04:49:03,185
I would, um, I would've been at either hen house or beyond the glory who

3826
04:49:03,555 --> 04:49:07,405
have, uh, big screens for sports events like that. And I would've biked to those

3827
04:49:07,565 --> 04:49:11,325
events. Um, today for lunch, um, we wanted a bike somewhere

3828
04:49:11,705 --> 04:49:15,525
two nine or diner was closed for lunch today, monday we went to

3829
04:49:15,725 --> 04:49:19,045
pen grove market. Pen grove market would be the ideal installation

3830
04:49:19,845 --> 04:49:23,185
to drop in. I mean, it's, it's a little boutiquey. It means, um,

3831
04:49:24,225 --> 04:49:28,025
uh, things, but actually shockly prices are good at the pen grow market. So

3832
04:49:29,035 --> 04:49:33,005
they'll tell two niner, I said this, but, and this weekend I was in the city

3833
04:49:33,305 --> 04:49:37,285
and my sister-in-law made pizzas with dough from skippy's or from central milling.

3834
04:49:37,725 --> 04:49:41,625
central milling. Uh, we have a gem going on in this area, um,

3835
04:49:42,025 --> 04:49:45,795
but I wanna make sure that the, that the plan has the tools that

3836
04:49:46,085 --> 04:49:50,025
drive investment into the area. I love the vision, um,

3837
04:49:50,425 --> 04:49:54,355
and it's a good vision and I think we will be able

3838
04:49:54,595 --> 04:49:58,385
to create the vi the, the future from

3839
04:49:58,675 --> 04:50:02,465
this plan. I'm looking forward to it and um, I'll

3840
04:50:02,755 --> 04:50:06,555
make a quick few. Thank you. Quick comments. Um, I just wanna say in 1998 when the ugb

3841
04:50:07,095 --> 04:50:11,005
was, uh, voted in by the voters, this land was designated

3842
04:50:11,775 --> 04:50:15,715
as an area that was gonna be annexed. And then the other thing is, if you

3843
04:50:15,835 --> 04:50:19,745
wanna bring agricultural back, you wanna talk about people complaining, wait

3844
04:50:20,035 --> 04:50:23,755
till the poop of the cows start and the wind goes south. And plus

3845
04:50:24,375 --> 04:50:28,275
we have property owners that have property rights and if they wanna sell their property, they have

3846
04:50:28,395 --> 04:50:32,355
a right to, these are not agricultural, um, they're not used

3847
04:50:32,635 --> 04:50:35,955
as agricultural today the way it was in the past.

3848
04:50:37,015 --> 04:50:40,915
and um, and that's a good one. And I read that

3849
04:50:41,035 --> 04:50:44,835
just something like a pen grove market. I mean, that's what you really need in an area

3850
04:50:45,140 --> 04:50:48,605
like this. Something small that actually has coffee and everything. So council member barnacle

3851
04:50:49,165 --> 04:50:53,165
one last one. Graduate together. Okay. Yeah. Um, I appreciate you

3852
04:50:53,365 --> 04:50:57,365
bringing up the ugbi just, I really take issue with the idea that we did some sort of a

3853
04:50:57,485 --> 04:51:01,205
bait and swish on voters with the ugb. Like we had multiple meetings, council

3854
04:51:01,605 --> 04:51:05,355
member di carly where we were talking about this, where we pulled certain things back

3855
04:51:05,665 --> 04:51:09,475
and we put it right here for a very intentional reason. It was noticed over

3856
04:51:09,765 --> 04:51:13,765
and over again. It was written as such. And so, um, like we really

3857
04:51:14,005 --> 04:51:17,845
shouldn't be misrepresenting the council and, and the transparency we brought to the ugb

3858
04:51:18,245 --> 04:51:22,085
process, um, secondarily, um, park and ride

3859
04:51:22,965 --> 04:51:26,745
stations overwhelmingly don't perform as well as mixed use stations do

3860
04:51:27,225 --> 04:51:31,205
in the network on smart and, and just in general. They just don't. So if

3861
04:51:31,365 --> 04:51:35,095
we're learning from experience and learning from examples, we should be trying to build mixed

3862
04:51:35,665 --> 04:51:39,325
use more vibrant, um, stations if we care about

3863
04:51:39,815 --> 04:51:43,765
smart being an actual like, um, a, you know,

3864
04:51:43,845 --> 04:51:47,745
long-term piece of infrastructure that is cost effective. Um, and

3865
04:51:47,965 --> 04:51:51,365
then finally, you know, just having gone through my election in 2024,

3866
04:51:52,085 --> 04:51:56,005
I talked to people in lavia that live right next to hunt and barron's. I talked to people who

3867
04:51:56,205 --> 04:52:00,125
moved in right adjacent to clover and um, they love

3868
04:52:00,325 --> 04:52:04,165
living in petaluma and they don't want the industrial things to leave. They want, they

3869
04:52:04,405 --> 04:52:07,725
love living in petaluma because they have those industrial uses here.

3870
04:52:08,425 --> 04:52:12,285
and so I think that more than people moving here and then saying, I want log

3871
04:52:12,505 --> 04:52:16,385
anitas to shut down, they're moving here because they want to live next to log anitas.

3872
04:52:17,465 --> 04:52:21,305
and I think that we'd like, there's a reframe on all this stuff and

3873
04:52:21,525 --> 04:52:25,525
the benefits of living close to where you want to be. And, um, I just,

3874
04:52:26,085 --> 04:52:29,445
I wanted to drop those things in. Let me just check with staff here.

3875
04:52:30,105 --> 04:52:34,085
um, have you guys gotten an earful? Any, do you need to drive a question

3876
04:52:34,385 --> 04:52:36,445
or? We, we've done it all for one evening.

3877
04:52:40,085 --> 04:52:43,945
my decision , you know, andrew just brought up

3878
04:52:44,105 --> 04:52:47,135
something. It would be great to maybe get mike,

3879
04:52:48,295 --> 04:52:51,165
mike, it would be great to get more, um,

3880
04:52:52,375 --> 04:52:55,865
clarity on, on what you guys feel about the plan area

3881
04:52:56,685 --> 04:53:00,535
taking on the annexation area. Can you put the,

3882
04:53:01,475 --> 04:53:05,435
is there a slide that you have with a specific thing you want? Or

3883
04:53:05,655 --> 04:53:09,455
is it, there was the seven things that council member di carly referenced. I imagine

3884
04:53:09,735 --> 04:53:10,735
you're asking about one of those

3885
04:53:13,755 --> 04:53:17,325
2013. I think that the,

3886
04:53:17,785 --> 04:53:21,715
I think we have clarity on all the other items. The reason we want maybe a straw

3887
04:53:22,065 --> 04:53:25,105
poll on, on planning for the annexation area is because

3888
04:53:26,205 --> 04:53:29,945
that's a significant investment of, of the budget in that

3889
04:53:30,625 --> 04:53:34,095
planning. So if you were to give us, yeah, let's do that. Right. Okay.

3890
04:53:34,725 --> 04:53:38,625
so I think we talked a lot about the annex, uh, the annexation area, and we

3891
04:53:38,745 --> 04:53:42,705
talked about a lot of different things going on with it. But the base question that staff is asking us to weigh

3892
04:53:42,865 --> 04:53:46,245
in on, and we'll do it in a straw poll, is do we want to continue

3893
04:53:47,115 --> 04:53:51,045
exploring and, and crafting the annexation area? And so

3894
04:53:51,265 --> 04:53:55,025
as, um, uh, hands up if you want 'em to continue. So 2, 3, 4,

3895
04:53:55,865 --> 04:53:59,135
and be clear. Okay.

3896
04:53:59,965 --> 04:54:03,885
and hands up if you wish them to drop it from the, the we.

3897
04:54:04,125 --> 04:54:07,905
we have, we have five votes. Sorry, but thank you. Okay. We clear? Thank you.

3898
04:54:08,355 --> 04:54:11,985
we're very clear. Excellent. Thank everybody

3899
04:54:12,565 --> 04:54:16,305
for staying tonight. And there's a, there's a lot of going on, going on, so I appreciate

3900
04:54:16,665 --> 04:54:20,655
y'all being here. And mr. Mayor charlie,

3901
04:54:21,365 --> 04:54:25,335
we still do have this second public comment period. So we are moving into,

3902
04:54:25,725 --> 04:54:29,525
um, thanking, thanking your team for being here and, and, uh, and

3903
04:54:29,745 --> 04:54:33,665
we're, and we're set. And, um, do we have to, and it is 11

3904
04:54:33,905 --> 04:54:37,665
mayor. Yeah. All right. I'll make a motion to, we have a motion extend the meeting

3905
04:54:38,375 --> 04:54:41,865
past 11. Wait, wait, how many minutes?

3906
04:54:42,485 --> 04:54:46,085
uh, yeah. Um, so through, through the public comment period.

3907
04:54:47,245 --> 04:54:51,045
and um, there we go. So we have a motion. I need a second. I'll second. We

3908
04:54:51,265 --> 04:54:55,025
have a second by now. A motion by cater thompson. And uh, can we do this by a claim?

3909
04:54:55,565 --> 04:54:59,415
so we do this by a claim. All those in favor say this doesn't anything up there either online, right? This

3910
04:54:59,705 --> 04:55:03,665
is your moment to say aye. Okay. Aye. 11 because

3911
04:55:03,825 --> 04:55:07,705
we don't even even know if they're online. Okay, good. So then we are how many

3912
04:55:07,835 --> 04:55:11,665
cards? 11 and there's 13 people

3913
04:55:12,125 --> 04:55:16,025
online. Okay. So, um, we are

3914
04:55:16,185 --> 04:55:19,965
opening the continued public comments for the evening and um,

3915
04:55:20,325 --> 04:55:24,065
we have checked online and we have, uh, no hands raised

3916
04:55:24,565 --> 04:55:28,425
online for this. So I will read your name and I give you a,

3917
04:55:28,705 --> 04:55:32,685
a count of five. And it's maria perez. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

3918
04:55:35,445 --> 04:55:39,285
nicole sandoval, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. Pamela,

3919
04:55:39,945 --> 04:55:43,425
er. Thank you.

3920
04:55:44,645 --> 04:55:45,955
um, gabby ortiz.

3921
04:55:50,255 --> 04:55:54,005
nico fry. Yeah. You wanna come speak on ice out?

3922
04:55:54,525 --> 04:55:58,255
yes, I do. Come on down. , come

3923
04:55:58,545 --> 04:56:00,865
on down. I'm around. Is your turn

3924
04:56:07,085 --> 04:56:07,085
and

3925
04:56:12,375 --> 04:56:16,305
because these were the general comments where everyone got one minute I reset the

3926
04:56:16,625 --> 04:56:20,165
clock to one minute. Okay. Thank you. And, uh,

3927
04:56:21,995 --> 04:56:25,485
is the clock ready? And the speaker's ready? Go. And here we go. Okay.

3928
04:56:26,195 --> 04:56:29,975
I'm here tonight to ask you to see an opportunity where today you can only

3929
04:56:30,295 --> 04:56:32,925
see a parcel of weed infested unused land

3930
04:56:34,405 --> 04:56:37,935
just south of the meridian housing development between north mcdowell

3931
04:56:38,835 --> 04:56:42,675
and the smart rail line. It is a small city

3932
04:56:42,975 --> 04:56:46,565
owned triangular parcel. Well, it may seem insignificant.

3933
04:56:48,005 --> 04:56:51,965
I believe it has the potential to become the front door to the proposed north station

3934
04:56:52,285 --> 04:56:55,925
neighborhood or the new north east side of petaluma.

3935
04:56:57,225 --> 04:57:01,085
as our community invests in the north station plan, implements the general

3936
04:57:01,395 --> 04:57:05,075
plan and continues to promote housing near transit. This is exactly

3937
04:57:05,665 --> 04:57:09,505
the kind of space that should become a public asset, not simply remain

3938
04:57:09,925 --> 04:57:13,595
vacant and unused. Imagine a small park with

3939
04:57:13,935 --> 04:57:17,795
shade trees, native landscaping, benches, bicycle parking,

3940
04:57:18,385 --> 04:57:21,445
public art, and rain gardens that capture the storm water.

3941
04:57:22,465 --> 04:57:26,405
it could provide a welcoming place for residents, especially those living in the nearby

3942
04:57:26,805 --> 04:57:30,685
mobile home parks. Thank you commuters, cyclists and visitors. We were one, one

3943
04:57:30,885 --> 04:57:33,885
minute while creating a recognizable gateway to this growing

3944
04:57:35,045 --> 04:57:39,005
district. This parklet area supports many of the goals of the city,

3945
04:57:40,025 --> 04:57:43,725
has already a dock. Thank you nicola. We are at one minute

3946
04:57:44,625 --> 04:57:48,625
minute and you are one minute. So you've run your time.

3947
04:57:49,075 --> 04:57:52,005
thank you. Okay. Uh, michael trione

3948
04:57:53,205 --> 04:57:56,845
is our next speaker, alex mensing.

3949
04:57:59,095 --> 04:58:03,055
nancy shin erickson, uh, maria perez.

3950
04:58:05,465 --> 04:58:08,375
maria said that. And,

3951
04:58:10,915 --> 04:58:13,505
uh, unnamed person and sierra moran.

3952
04:58:15,495 --> 04:58:19,395
and, and with that we'll close the public comment, the continued public comment,

3953
04:58:20,415 --> 04:58:22,635
and, uh, adjourn the meeting. Thank you all very much.