1 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,440 Going down another room sounds 2 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:30,039 we zip through. 3 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,960 Uh, >> be a long one. How many 4 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:39,120 » city council? >> How many do we need for 5 00:00:36,480 --> 00:00:42,719 » people? We need five. You fine. >> I know. I'm just I'm on call up the 6 00:00:42,239 --> 00:00:48,000 street >> and and 7 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:53,079 Gary's going to be late, so it'll be perfect. this slab end 8 00:00:56,399 --> 00:01:02,399 » meeting can start as long as I read it soon as we have five people but if 9 00:01:00,559 --> 00:01:07,520 somebody leaves we just can't vote on anything 10 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:11,360 » so I should start it >> and 11 00:01:09,119 --> 00:01:16,640 well your bylaws already say that to pass something city council you need you 12 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:21,360 have to vote well there has to be at least five votes any affirmative to move 13 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:25,119 some of these side. >> We can tell, right? 14 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:26,080 » Yeah, we can go. >> Six. 15 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,920 » We can get >> Oh, it's six now, isn't it? Oh, 16 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:33,360 » 59. >> Hi. 17 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:37,200 » Hi. >> What? 18 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:41,840 » So, who who's all meeting in there? >> City council is meeting in there. 19 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:44,960 » Just on the bike. >> I think there's a lot of trails council 20 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,720 people there because they're talking about reserve bluffs easily. Oh, that 21 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,960 they're doing that. Okay. >> Okay. 22 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:55,759 » Okay. Now, all the clocks in the room say 6:00. So, we can officially begin 23 00:01:54,000 --> 00:02:02,320 this meeting of the downtown management board on August 18th. That's 6 pm. We 24 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:08,000 are sitting with quorum. So, we'll get rolling with our consent agenda. I'd be 25 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:11,680 happy to entertain a motion on the consent agenda if somebody wanted to 26 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:16,560 extend it. I would like to make a motion to pass 27 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,160 the consent agenda as it reads. >> Thanks, Robin. 28 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:22,959 » Second. >> Thanks, Joe. 29 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:25,680 » All those in favor say I. >> I. 30 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:29,920 » All those opposed, same sign. Motion carries. 31 00:02:26,959 --> 00:02:34,959 » We will move on to public comment. I don't see anybody in here. They're 32 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:40,160 next door. So, moving on to new business. Uh, let's see. We're starting 33 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:46,959 off with discussion and possible recommendation on the 2027 programs and 34 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:49,959 services budget. Turn it over to Miss Tweet. 35 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,000 » It 36 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,840 sorry about that 37 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:07,480 doublesided drawn off. 38 00:03:22,319 --> 00:03:30,280 Oh, guess I got Hang on. Sorry. Nope. Not 39 00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:02,920 I don't have people to help the science wants to be 40 00:04:09,439 --> 00:04:12,959 up. I don't know. >> Share your screen. Is that what you're 41 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:16,280 doing? >> There we are. 42 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:21,000 Should be sharing. All right. There we go. 43 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:34,520 There we go. Okay. Uh proposed 2027 programs and services budget. 44 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,520 Good evening, Noah. 45 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:41,240 » Uh major revenue categories. 46 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:57,120 Uh for the budget assessments, a pro proposed increase of 3.2% 47 00:04:52,479 --> 00:05:04,720 is estimated to raise $129,000. Uh sponsorships and program revenue. uh 48 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:10,400 we have about a 34% proposed reduction shown with the removal of the trolley 49 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:16,720 and sounds of summer sponsorship but that uh we are our proposed budget 50 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:22,720 revenue is 27,500 and then the remainder of the major 51 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:27,280 revenue category is programs and services 52 00:05:24,479 --> 00:05:33,720 um which we're proposing at about a 1% increase over what was budgeted for 2026 53 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,720 at 39,390. 54 00:05:37,919 --> 00:05:47,520 On the expenditure side, uh total again the total budget for 2027 is proposed at 55 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:52,160 $200,700. Uh on events, total of events is 56 00:05:50,479 --> 00:05:58,160 $64,000. The largest expenditure in that category 57 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:04,080 are for winter weekend winter wonderland weekend at 25,000 58 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:11,360 and sounds of summer at 13,000. Um and now that win the 25,000 59 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:16,000 some of that it's um let's see look at the line item but we 60 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:23,360 have a large expenditures but a lot of that is then also under revenue because 61 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:30,960 we have um the ice sculptures. So we have 62 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:35,840 projected 12,000 in re. So the total net expenditure actually for winter 63 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:42,080 wonderland weekend is 13,000 which is the same as summer. So those are our two 64 00:06:38,319 --> 00:06:48,240 big uh event expenditures. Uh the budget is proposing keeping 65 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:53,199 economic enhancement at 6,000 and then marketing and promotions at 66 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:59,440 108,500. Included in that category is the staff 67 00:06:56,639 --> 00:07:04,479 expense to implement which means wages and um benefits 68 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:11,039 um and that's at 185. And then overhead 69 00:07:07,599 --> 00:07:14,039 which includes uh office operations at 22,000. 70 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:20,080 » How much of the marketing and promotions is wages? Is it broken out again? 71 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,280 » I'm sorry. >> How much of the marketing and promotions 72 00:07:21,759 --> 00:07:29,280 is wages? >> Uh that is 80. I believe 73 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,479 » that's the new hire. >> Correct. 74 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:38,759 » Including benefits. >> $80,000 plus benefits. 75 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:38,759 65 76 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:45,240 80 wages and benefits. 77 00:07:49,039 --> 00:07:59,520 So again, the total budget is 200,700 which is 14,721 78 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:04,639 less than the current year budget primarily due to the loss of trolley 79 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:09,680 sponsorship. Um 80 00:08:06,639 --> 00:08:15,520 so this is a breakdown uh our current year assessment so that what we are 81 00:08:12,479 --> 00:08:22,080 increasing at 3.2% is about 64% of our budget. We're using 82 00:08:19,039 --> 00:08:28,479 about 20% of our budget is coming from previous year assessments 83 00:08:25,199 --> 00:08:34,959 um which is called the fund balance. 14% is program revenue and then there the 84 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:39,519 mis miscellaneous fees and interest and then expenditures marketing and 85 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:45,519 promotions and again that does include the staff to carry out those marketing 86 00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:51,120 and promotions at 54% uh events which is either 87 00:08:49,279 --> 00:08:55,120 um purchasing thing for the events or it's 88 00:08:53,279 --> 00:09:02,320 primarily the expenditures or marketing of the events Um, and then overhead is 89 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:07,000 at 32%, overhead is at 11%, and economic enhancement is at 3%. 90 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:16,560 So, I am happy to answer any questions or I can pull up the 91 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:23,560 uh year projected year end to budget if you 92 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:23,560 like. 93 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:34,000 I I'm not asking for any changes to the budget, but I'll just, you know, for 94 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:38,320 discussion purposes call out and it's it's been like this for for some time, 95 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:45,040 but it's always a bit of an irony to me that our biggest event expenditure is a 96 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:51,200 winter event, which at least from my perspective is is uh counter to certain 97 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:55,440 marketing fundamentals, right? that you're going to get more juice out of 98 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:59,200 the squeeze in the summer than you do with a winter. So lead time for 99 00:09:57,279 --> 00:10:06,640 retailers and restaurants. I always value that fact that that's our biggest 100 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:11,839 community is a little counter to how I think about timing with spend around 101 00:10:09,279 --> 00:10:16,880 marketing. Um and it's again it's been like that for a while. I just think you 102 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:20,720 think about it long term. Um so it's you know 103 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:23,680 » well and it again I mean it looks like a lot more but as I said it's about the 104 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:29,839 same >> right when you bring out the revenue so 105 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:35,120 we are spending the same amount on our biggest winter weekend 106 00:10:32,959 --> 00:10:40,720 um visitor-wise our numbers on that weekend are probably 107 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:47,440 I trying to remember if they were higher than open house last year. It's I think 108 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:50,800 it was I thought it was sex. >> Yeah, I don't remember. But 109 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:54,640 » either beat >> I think it either beat open house or it 110 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:56,560 beat um it I don't think it beat sidewalk sales. So I think it beat open 111 00:10:56,079 --> 00:10:59,880 house. >> Yeah. And sidewalk 112 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:07,519 » Yeah, because and again because winter weekend is the whole weekend we're 113 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:09,440 counting the people is how many people are here for the whole weekend. 114 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,720 » Um >> opposed to a single day. 115 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:18,800 Yeah. >> Yeah. And it's Well, and we get a lot of 116 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:23,360 revenues off of the sponsorships for the ice sculptures and stuff like that. So, 117 00:11:20,560 --> 00:11:28,880 some of it just kind of is money changing hands, but um I I understand 118 00:11:26,959 --> 00:11:32,160 what you're saying. Um >> and then out of curiosity, how many of 119 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:38,399 the movies got have gotten cancelled so far this summer? 120 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:43,120 So far, we cancelled one and we have we've rescheduled the one to this 121 00:11:40,079 --> 00:11:48,640 Friday, but I'm watching the weather because as of right now, rain is 122 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:52,560 projected for Friday, but and we so I haven't been really promoting that we're 123 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:57,279 doing it Friday because I don't want to promote it on camp. 124 00:11:54,560 --> 00:12:00,000 » So, we have six weekends. Is it? I don't >> Five weekends we've six, but we didn't 125 00:11:59,279 --> 00:12:02,800 get another >> Yeah. sponsor. just, 126 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:07,200 » you know, for what it's worth, we're canceling, 127 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:11,920 you know, a third of the movies. I love the movies in the park. You know, sure 128 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:14,320 it's a lot of labor and expense to do it. 129 00:12:12,560 --> 00:12:23,040 » Uhhuh. Yeah. Well, yeah. Each of the movies is $500 with shipping. Um because 130 00:12:17,279 --> 00:12:26,880 we get the DVDs. Um and yet it it's late nights, 131 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:30,680 » but people do love it. They really >> charming. Yeah. 132 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:30,680 » Um 133 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:36,000 » but it it's one of the I mean it's the sounds of summer we had to cancel too. 134 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:42,720 » Yeah. >> And it's just one of the and that's 135 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:46,959 that's the good thing that we're going away from sponsors for that event 136 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:50,959 because then we don't you know but for movies in the park the good thing about 137 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:56,560 the movies in the park if we cancel a movie get a credit the following year. 138 00:12:53,839 --> 00:13:03,760 So that means if we get five sponsors next year, we actually have six weeks of 139 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:07,680 movies. So it's not a total loss, but it is when you're dealing with the 140 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:12,160 outdoor stuff, it's just >> the movies in the park were always just 141 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:16,240 like, you know, ever since we lost the downtown movie theater, there was this 142 00:13:13,839 --> 00:13:18,000 desire to bring back some of that energy. 143 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,519 » Yeah. >> You know, I don't know if we're still on 144 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:26,000 track to do that. I don't know if the conversation should shift back to how we 145 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:28,639 get a movie theater downtown again. You know, 146 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:32,399 » we've had that discussion, >> but you know, 147 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:36,000 » we may be running out of this point. >> Oh, yeah. 148 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,880 » Well, I mean, I think too, just to play off what you're saying, like you see the 149 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:43,279 comments on, you know, social media about, you know, festival festival by 150 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:47,120 the Bay and like some other bigger events. Do we have an in something that 151 00:13:45,839 --> 00:13:51,120 we could, you know, figure out how to have like a big event for Paskki that 152 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:55,279 people are excited about? You know, sidewalk is cool, but you know, that's a 153 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:59,440 lot of work. Um, you know, we talked about closing down the street overnight 154 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:03,760 and doing music on, you know, on Hot Street or Main Street. You know, like I 155 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:07,360 think that would be a big draw. Um, but I do I think it's, you know, for events, 156 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:10,880 I think it's, you know, how do we put our heads together to do something 157 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:12,959 that's, you know, a big draw for this area, 158 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:19,839 » right? And is it a down? Yeah. I mean, it was 159 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:25,360 at Bayfront Park, but but and and I I almost think that's also why the 160 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:32,000 hometown block party was so successful because people were just really wanted 161 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:36,560 that kind of event. And it was very much a community event where non all the 162 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:41,120 nonprofits showed up, churches showed up that I mean, everybody took a piece of 163 00:14:38,639 --> 00:14:43,680 it and brought their people with them. So 164 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,279 » that was the third party. 165 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:49,040 » What was it called? >> I remember 166 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,839 that hotel block party. >> Yeah. 167 00:14:50,079 --> 00:14:54,880 » Potl. >> Yeah, it was a great event. 168 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,959 » A lot of lot of people there. >> They had a potluck and they grilled a 169 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:02,000 bunch. >> And that was what organization do that? 170 00:14:59,199 --> 00:15:07,360 » It was the Fourth of July group who kind of spearheaded it for the 250th. Are 171 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,560 they continuing as a group at all or they just 172 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:13,680 » No, they've they've been a group for I think that was their 173 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:17,680 » stars and stripes >> maybe it's like exploring some kind of 174 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,560 long-term partnership with them to downtown 175 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:26,480 » community pot lock. It can be pretty lowfi and kind of cool. 176 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:29,279 » Yeah, I think those guys probably >> would want to have a conversation. 177 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:34,240 though >> cuz they they build it as 178 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:37,440 I talked to them a little bit and they were like, "Well, we really only want to 179 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:41,040 do it one year, but everybody kind of liked it." So, 180 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:43,600 » we should be a victim of their own success. 181 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,959 » So, >> I think it's definitely worth the 182 00:15:44,959 --> 00:15:51,120 conversation. >> Like, I'd be curious too to see how the 183 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:54,320 beards uh fall fest goes too, you know, see, you know, getting individual 184 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,880 businesses that kind of group up together 185 00:15:55,360 --> 00:16:00,240 » to do something, how that goes. If there's a big draw, then you know, we 186 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:04,320 know there's a draw for something like that. 187 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:10,199 » Yeah. Emily did tell me she realized afterwards it's actually the um 188 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,199 » Bo Mountain. 189 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:18,720 It's just something to take people from there and bring them here. So, I mean, 190 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:22,639 it's one of those things in the summer, everybody is having events, so you're 191 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:28,160 going to be pulling people from somewhere, right? 192 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:33,120 » Yeah. competing for attention. Yeah. Cool. 193 00:16:30,639 --> 00:16:37,199 There's some good thoughts though and definitely probably 194 00:16:35,759 --> 00:16:40,560 maybe something we should consider before we finalize the budget. 195 00:16:39,759 --> 00:16:44,160 » What's that? >> If we want to look at something like the 196 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:49,519 block party or >> Yeah. I mean that Well, we currently 197 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:55,120 fund them at this year. We increased them from a,000 to,500 198 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:59,040 » for the fireworks. I know that. Well, it's just for the Fourth of July group. 199 00:16:57,120 --> 00:17:02,800 So, what they actually use it for. >> Got it. 200 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:09,280 » I do know that group's actually meeting and they're not 100% sure they're going 201 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:16,319 to continue doing the fireworks. So, um so I but yeah, I mean we do have 202 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:18,559 the 1500 in. I guess we can always come back and amend. 203 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:22,720 » Yeah. >> Okay. 204 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:26,880 » Um unless I mean that's fine. want to put more in now, too. I'm sure they 205 00:17:24,959 --> 00:17:29,440 would love that. >> Well, I think we should 206 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:31,440 » without anything concrete. >> Yeah. 207 00:17:29,919 --> 00:17:37,120 » Yeah. I think it'd be hard to do that, but just the appetite of having 208 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:42,320 something in the summer makes sense. Um, but I think also this year you did a 209 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:47,919 nice job of finding areas that we could limit spending to 210 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:52,000 try to get ourselves a little bit more to walk ourselves towards a more 211 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:57,280 balanced budget, if you will. So, 212 00:17:53,760 --> 00:18:02,480 » yeah, I mean, we clearly need to pump up our program revenue or find some other 213 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:05,280 source of revenue >> contribution from the general fund 214 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:10,120 perhaps. >> Yeah. Right. God forbid. 215 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:20,240 » Uh any other questions? Now we are early. It's the August 216 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:24,400 meeting. Um you know, if there's questions, there's things you want 217 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:31,360 revisited. We can postpone this until 218 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:36,720 next month or um if you're ready, we could move it forward to city council. 219 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:45,200 We have to wait to find out about like the holiday parade for how what that 220 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:51,880 turns out to be. >> We could we have that meeting Thursday. 221 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,880 Um 222 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:59,039 » because that if that and if we decide that we're 223 00:18:57,360 --> 00:19:02,720 not having it, where are we putting that? So 224 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:09,880 » true. Let's see. So right now we have we're projecting revenue of 2500 and 225 00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:09,880 expenditure of 226 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:20,640 » three. So we're really only projecting spending $500, 227 00:19:18,799 --> 00:19:26,000 » but we may not get that level of sponsorship either or multiple sponsors. 228 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:29,679 Who knows? So, 229 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:35,039 we could I mean that that's going to be the 230 00:19:31,679 --> 00:19:38,960 question is if it turns out the band is not 231 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:44,280 interested in being in the holiday parade, do we go forward with the 232 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,280 holiday parade? 233 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:54,640 So, so that will be it's probably a good reason to postpone action or 234 00:19:52,160 --> 00:20:02,400 recommendation, I guess. Good. We will hopefully have an answer 235 00:19:57,919 --> 00:20:08,960 for on the public for next next month and then I will also likely schedule the 236 00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:13,120 DDA by annual meeting for next month as well. 237 00:20:10,559 --> 00:20:18,200 » Okay. Uh all right then. 238 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:29,440 Perfect. Thanks everybody. Moving shifting gears a little bit to the DMB 239 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:35,600 document amendment review and approval. >> Okay. Uh this was discussion about the 240 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:40,559 inconsistency between the bylaws and the meeting contact policy. Uh so in your 241 00:20:38,799 --> 00:20:45,600 packet you have a red line version unless I printed it black then it's just 242 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:50,080 black line. Uh so it's changing the conduct policy just to say provided that 243 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:53,360 a quorum is present which has five members a majority of those members in 244 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:57,520 attendance on a meeting shall be required to adopt a motion that has been 245 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:01,679 made and supported except for any motion that is passed on to city council for 246 00:20:59,919 --> 00:21:05,400 its approval. Must have the affirmative vote of five members. 247 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,720 » Support. >> I have support. Do I have a second? 248 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:15,679 » I'll second. >> We have a second. Um, all those in favor 249 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:19,919 say I. >> I. 250 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:23,760 » All oppose. Same sign. That was easy. Motion carries, 251 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:27,200 » buddy. >> Easy. 252 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:33,200 » Um, let's see. Then we'll move on to reports by downtown management board 253 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:39,679 committees and staff and block it. >> Block it just in case. Um, okay. So this 254 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:43,520 month we did not get a quorum for marketing and promotions and we did not 255 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:48,720 get a quorum for the design committee. Uh parking mobility and accessibility 256 00:21:45,919 --> 00:21:55,360 met and you do have those notes. A couple um updates from what is in the 257 00:21:52,400 --> 00:22:04,799 notes from April. Uh on the payment repree 258 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:09,120 you had um so so they sent out 286 letters. 259 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:12,760 Uh the tickets just the ticket amount owed is 67,820. 260 00:22:13,120 --> 00:22:21,880 Um, as of today, we have um 261 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:31,600 much paid $2,15 and I think that's on eight or nine 262 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:39,600 license plate numbers. Um, but it was 100 staff hours, $225 postage. 263 00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:45,440 Um, we've gotten I don't know how many more letters they've gotten returned, 264 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:48,880 but it was 19 on the 11th and um, 265 00:22:47,120 --> 00:22:52,000 » so when how long does it last again? I'm sorry. 266 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:54,240 » Sorry. Or expires date of August. >> No, September. It's two months. 267 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,720 » Oh, September. >> Yeah. 268 00:22:55,520 --> 00:23:01,360 » So far, we've spent about as much in labor as we've received in revenue. 269 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:05,200 » Yeah. So, 270 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:08,240 yeah. No, we are offering two months. was the month of August and September. 271 00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:14,880 » Thought it was July. >> No, September, February. 272 00:23:10,159 --> 00:23:21,360 » Yeah. Uh so that's the update on that. And then the committee also did talk 273 00:23:17,039 --> 00:23:26,880 about April and I had met with um representative of Hong and I'll pass 274 00:23:24,559 --> 00:23:34,320 this along if anyone wants to check out the QR code. So they are a company 275 00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:40,320 similar to pay mobile but they also offer you can you can just scan the QR 276 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:46,799 code and pay. You don't have to download the app. So you know we do know a lot of 277 00:23:44,159 --> 00:23:56,159 people just don't want to download apps. So you can pay that way. Um, so there's 278 00:23:52,559 --> 00:24:01,600 they're fairly new, but they do have contracts with several campuses. Like I 279 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:07,320 think they just started at Penn State. Um, 280 00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:07,320 I mean, it see 281 00:24:09,679 --> 00:24:16,799 that that you would we'd have to add to wherever we're putting it. A thought we 282 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:24,480 had of maybe trying this would be talking to Grain Train because the other 283 00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:28,640 thing that they will offer is um 15 minute 284 00:24:26,159 --> 00:24:31,840 uh 15 minutes free. So that has always been the issue of 285 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:36,159 Grain Train is that their people are just in and out and they don't like 286 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:41,760 standing at the pay station. So, if we could try this in the Petri lot and get 287 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:47,200 green train to really kind of work with their owners and members on you know 288 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:52,240 what, it's really easy. You don't have to stay in the pay station. You just 289 00:24:48,799 --> 00:24:57,760 scan this QR code. And if we could even get them to maybe pay the first 15 290 00:24:55,120 --> 00:25:00,799 minutes or I don't know, but we thought that would be a good lot to maybe do a 291 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:05,520 test. >> Is this just this is on top of having 292 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:08,240 park mobile? It's not >> doesn't replace it. 293 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:17,039 » It's just another >> it's um an additional way to pay. Um and 294 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:21,279 then yeah, there's a lot more like I guess you could call it a sponsor 295 00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:26,080 opportunity is my understanding. So exact. That's why we thought the Petri 296 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:32,960 would make sense because um individual businesses could opt in to cover a 297 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:39,440 portion of like a park um like one of their customers parks if you will. So 298 00:25:35,120 --> 00:25:47,039 like um yeah so and it's they can decide the duration too. But um I think what we 299 00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:51,679 kind of chatted about was not many not everybody likes to put Park 300 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:55,840 Mobile or just an app in general on their phone. But if you can just go 301 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:59,760 straight to a website and pay that way then or if you don't have the space on 302 00:25:57,919 --> 00:26:04,480 your phone to download another app or whatever like that's that's what this 303 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:10,080 offers. So, it's kind of just another piece of technology to help make it more 304 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:13,600 seamless for people to be able to pay for parking. 305 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,640 » Take a picture of your license plate, too. So, you don't have to like enter in 306 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:20,159 your license plate number. You can take a picture of it. It uploads. 307 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,640 » Yeah. If you just scan that code, it takes you right to that page. 308 00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:28,159 » So, does does downtown do we have to pay for that service to have the QR codes 309 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:32,080 put on? Is that like >> It take a percentage, I'm sure. 310 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:35,679 » There's a station. >> Yeah. Yeah, I mean it's like Mock Park 311 00:26:33,360 --> 00:26:38,960 Mobile over the years we've tried to get the payer to pay more and more. 312 00:26:37,279 --> 00:26:44,080 Originally, we paid all the credit card fees and we've slowly backed off of that 313 00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:48,880 because nobody else does it. >> So, um, 314 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:55,279 so yeah, there there definitely are charges, but 315 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:59,440 they clearly are. I mean, they're much smaller. So, Park Mobile was bought out 316 00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:05,200 by Arrive, which is this company that's buying up all of these parking related 317 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:13,120 things. So, it could well be they become part of RI, but as of right now, is a 318 00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:17,520 Canadian company. Honk, I get it. Um, 319 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:21,840 so yeah, >> there's a talk with the parking division 320 00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:26,240 so they know like this is going to be they're on honk. They're not going to 321 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:29,440 get a ticket randomly because like is that something like the parking meter 322 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:33,200 like have to know about oh they're paying a honk? 323 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:38,240 » Yeah. The ambassadors will have to check park mobile and they'll check the honk 324 00:27:35,679 --> 00:27:43,200 to see if it's paid there. Um and then they can run the um license plates. If 325 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,200 they don't have their permit then they don't have their permit. But that's 326 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,880 » another lay layer of complexity for the parking attendants. 327 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,000 » It is. Yeah. >> I was saying thank you. 328 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:56,880 » Yeah. >> Yeah. it. I mean, I think it's it's 329 00:27:54,559 --> 00:28:02,480 always worth considering these things, but um and then another thing we 330 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:06,640 discussed is to your point, Becky, is it would have to be the same cost for us as 331 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,919 it is for Park Mobile other than why would we want to bring that in? So, we 332 00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:14,080 were going to push back on them for that, too. So, it's, you know, why would 333 00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:17,919 we why would we need you, if you will, if you you can't even match what we're 334 00:28:16,159 --> 00:28:22,720 currently paying. So, >> um so yeah, that's 335 00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:27,919 » I mean, I like the idea. I I personally don't like the one station that is there 336 00:28:26,399 --> 00:28:31,679 and and I have a permit so that's actually where I park most of the time 337 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:35,200 now. But I mean I can't tell you how many times when I'm walking to my car 338 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:37,919 and stuff that I see people there and they're just like can't figure it out. 339 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:42,000 Yeah. >> No idea what they're doing. 340 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:45,279 » This honk is a little more I think user friendly. 341 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,799 » Mobile had something that you could just do a QR code and do that. Like that 342 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:54,320 doesn't make sense to me that they don't at this point have something that you 343 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:57,919 But for me and for a lot of people, they have the app, but you go to so many 344 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:01,919 other towns now and it works with just about everything else. So at least that 345 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:03,200 part is good if you do download the app. But 346 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:07,279 » true. >> I don't get the I don't think you want 347 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:09,919 to pay anymore. For sure. >> The biggest issue with those stations is 348 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:13,279 always that you have to have your license plate number. You didn't know 349 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:17,919 you had to have your license plate number. So there's this like this you 350 00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:21,440 get there and it's like back to my car. Like people are putting their credit 351 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:27,039 cards in and they're like trying to and it's not reading it and they're it I 352 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:30,880 mean I watch them. They're not having fun. They're frustrated. 353 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,679 » Yes. Just watch them. >> There's nothing I can do. 354 00:29:32,399 --> 00:29:37,520 » Take a ticket. >> I'm running late. 355 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:42,640 » So honk you could go longer than 15 minutes. The idea is like you know 356 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:46,080 » you can offer your first 15 minutes free and that goes which I it seems like 357 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:51,120 we've talked to Park Bubble about this as well. Whether that's something we can 358 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:55,039 do or not, I can't remember. But >> the alternative with Park Mobile is to 359 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:58,720 number the spaces, right? And then there's some kind of 360 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:01,200 signage that says remember, you know, >> right? 361 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:05,200 » So then then you're clued in that when you go to the station, you already 362 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:11,360 remembered your number, but that also means tons of signs, 363 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:16,240 » which you could do like I think it's in Quebec or was Montreal. So they still 364 00:30:13,919 --> 00:30:19,360 had the poles for the parking meters, but then it had a number on top. 365 00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:23,120 » Yeah, that's kind of the alternative. >> So at least people get I mean I guess a 366 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,720 little number could be the shape of a parking meter because people think 367 00:30:24,159 --> 00:30:29,039 they're cute. >> Well, they have that in Trevor City and 368 00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:33,440 they still have the poll, but it's got the number of your spot on. 369 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:39,679 » It's much more user friendly >> than license pl. Yes, that is the crux 370 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:42,159 of I think so many of the issues is like >> probably 371 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:47,039 » some old person they can't see they got the sunlight blasting that screen saying 372 00:30:44,399 --> 00:30:53,279 enter your your your license plate number and you're like 373 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:57,320 » there's a couple I help people it's like just flip your card around like 374 00:30:58,399 --> 00:31:06,080 » I have what are you gonna do >> we definitely we have seen record 375 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:12,480 numbers in the last month of park rubble juice. So I think part of it is just 376 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:15,760 takes people time to move to new technologies. 377 00:31:13,679 --> 00:31:19,200 » Well, and there's there I mean to your point Becky like so many other places 378 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,840 are using it. So that's definitely a benefit to Park Mobile. So 379 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:28,080 » um so I mean because you can go use it in Traverse City, 380 00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:32,080 you can go park on the beach in Florida. >> I've used it in Colorado. 381 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:37,240 » Yeah. So >> we're going to Canada tomorrow. Maybe 382 00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:37,240 I'll find Honking 383 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:45,279 B. >> 15 minutes. 384 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:49,120 » Um, so do you 385 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:53,200 think we should talk to Grand Train about possibly using it? No, 386 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:55,279 » I don't. I just think it's another layer of complexity. 387 00:31:54,000 --> 00:32:00,080 » I just got one more question on that, too. So if I go park in the great train 388 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:04,399 parking lot, get the free 15 minutes and then run over to mighty fine. 389 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:07,120 Who? So gray trains going to pay for that? 390 00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:09,760 » Well, again, we'd have to work with them whether they where they're going to 391 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:14,320 » Yeah. >> make anybody pay for that 15 minutes. 392 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:18,960 » So it's kind of like our >> it was my understanding that it was kind 393 00:32:16,159 --> 00:32:25,440 of like our holiday sponsorship. So like we would partner with Honk and Honk 394 00:32:21,919 --> 00:32:29,840 somehow figures out a way that they they know how much to build grain train if 395 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:35,440 you will. So it could be the equivalent could be like if if I if the Perry 396 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:40,399 wanted to sponsor I don't by the way but we wanted to sponsor um the Elks lot or 397 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:45,360 something like that like we could and then we could sponsor the first 15 398 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:49,440 minutes. It it it's just that particular lot we've been getting that feedback 399 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:53,360 especially because we transitioned over to the pay station. So that's why we 400 00:32:51,279 --> 00:32:59,279 were targeting that particular lot. >> But it's basically they aggregate all of 401 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:05,279 those 15minute park instances and then build that particular 402 00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:09,039 business if they want to sponsor it. So it that's how I understood it. Maybe 403 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:13,919 that's >> I think there was also the ability 404 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:19,120 to somewhat like the 405 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:24,080 store or restaurant to have a code. >> Oh, that was the other thing. 406 00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:27,039 » If you wanted if someone came in was a a gas truck customer of yours and you 407 00:33:25,679 --> 00:33:30,880 wanted to >> pay for their parking, you could just 408 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:34,240 give them a code and it would >> their their parking would just get built 409 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:38,799 to you for that time. >> Yeah. which is a, you know, that is a 410 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:42,399 nice hospitality thing that would making that easier for people if they wanted to 411 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:45,919 is is a plus. But >> yeah, they stay for five hours and hit 412 00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:49,679 you with the bill. >> Yeah. I mean, but it's it's your choice 413 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:54,880 to like do it or not. I mean, same thing. I wouldn't, you know, someone 414 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:57,760 $5 drink. But like, 415 00:33:56,159 --> 00:34:03,440 » you know, someone does something else. You could obviously 416 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:08,320 » Yeah. And it was that part to me was like a 417 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,560 It it felt like a validating a a parking ticket, you know, like 418 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,040 » Yeah. >> So, but there's it's a nice like there 419 00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:21,359 was some nice features. >> I like the idea of it. I just think that 420 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:26,079 the timing isn't the best and to add something to one lot that people are 421 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:29,599 already trying to get used to to >> Yeah. So, and so that we can do that 422 00:34:27,839 --> 00:34:33,359 » and not have it in all the other lots if they go to some place like it just seems 423 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:39,119 » and every time an attendant checks a space they got to check two systems. 424 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:45,520 » Yeah, it's a lot a lot more. Well, the other part is that we were the 425 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:51,679 parking committee was talking about is is eventually balancing out the ability 426 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:56,480 to get all these meters andor pay stations 427 00:34:53,200 --> 00:35:00,640 and what is going to be the easiest for all our our guests of downtown to pay at 428 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:06,320 and do that consistently and it doesn't take thousands of dollars and hours to 429 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:13,920 go collect and maintain. And so can we find a good medium between 430 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:18,960 those things and having a third way to pay I don't think is necessarily the 431 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:24,000 right way if you could pay are there and spark mobile and this but that is coming 432 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:27,200 down the pipeline of like buying more meters and 433 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:30,640 » not being able to get some of the meters that we you know all those types of 434 00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:35,040 things. So there will be a transition at some point that we have to be up. I 435 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:38,640 assume we're in regular communication with Park Mobile about the most current 436 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:43,040 » Yeah. >> solutions that they're offering. 437 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:48,920 » Yeah. >> I think they got a pretty good gig that 438 00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,920 they're like, "Yeah, sure." 439 00:35:50,640 --> 00:36:00,040 » Mobile that is collecting stuff. >> All right. Well, we'll hold off on that. 440 00:35:56,560 --> 00:36:00,040 Uh then 441 00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:08,240 uh says parking, mobility, accessibility. Um so again, marketing 442 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:13,760 and promotions committee didn't have a quorum, but we had a couple members who 443 00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:17,839 were there. So we had discussion, a little bit of sales, um sidewalk sales 444 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:23,920 recap. Uh visitor numbers were up. Uh I tried 445 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:29,359 surveying downtown. I got four responses. So the four responses were 446 00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:38,079 all quite posit sales were either up or constant. Um 447 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:44,960 people enjoyed the entertainment and as the committee has talked particularly 448 00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:51,359 these years when we are don't have a nation to compete with making it more of 449 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:55,599 an event and keeping the streets closed at night maybe having bands at night but 450 00:36:53,920 --> 00:37:01,520 maybe also having more bands and entertainment during the day. Um the 451 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:05,839 idea this year had come up on Upper Mitchell just because it's completely 452 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:09,040 dead. The street's dead car show. Something, 453 00:37:07,359 --> 00:37:12,480 you know, we probably want it to be kind of a cool car show, not just any old car 454 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:18,640 show, but >> something to fill the street and draw, 455 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:23,839 you know, people. Um so that's the marketing and promotions company's going 456 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:29,280 to look at that some more. Um downtown day is Saturday, September 457 00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:36,320 26th. Uh last year for that we did a 458 00:37:33,359 --> 00:37:42,160 architectural elements scavenger hunt. Um this actually is also the day that uh 459 00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:47,760 they're doing that October Fest in the alley that's spearheaded by Beards and 460 00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:54,800 Fox and Hound. So they're going to close that section of Paskki Street. Um, 461 00:37:52,560 --> 00:38:00,560 so for down, so the committee is also talking about things to do for downtown 462 00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:06,560 day. One of the surveys that came back on sidewalk sales said that they still 463 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:12,560 get comments about why we don't do Where's Waldo anymore? And it's like 464 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:19,280 » we had Where's Waldo for a long time if I recall. Um, so I thought maybe for 465 00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:26,560 downtown day we'd do something Paskki specific and do Where's Young Hemingway 466 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:30,000 and do little paper cutouts of our statue of young he and hide him around 467 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,680 downtown. >> I always wondered why Waldo was the 468 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:36,079 Paskki stone >> wasn't a Paski stone. 469 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:40,320 » We're going to do a hunt for something in downtown Paskki. It start I mean that 470 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:47,040 I can tell you the start of the Where's Waldo was Mlan and Aken was able they 471 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:49,280 were doing was a Where's Waldo like 50th Yeah. 472 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:53,200 » anniversary and then everybody loved it so it just kind of kept going. 473 00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:56,640 » But other than that, yeah, it should something more local to us. 474 00:38:54,800 --> 00:39:00,480 » I mean the number I jump off the boat most days. The number of people that are 475 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:05,119 just down there looking at Possi stones is absurd. like the fact that we don't 476 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:09,760 if we're going to do a hunt, I just think that's something that we should be 477 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:14,000 playing up towards. >> Yeah. 478 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:20,720 » So, and then I also thought, you know, we don't do any 479 00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:26,079 um like 5ks. >> So, do we do maybe it's not a 5K, maybe 480 00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:30,800 we start small. We do a downtown dash and we do we've never done a run just on 481 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:36,320 the downtown Greenway corridor. So, we just start at point A, go to point B, or 482 00:39:34,079 --> 00:39:40,160 we start there, and we go down through the tunnel, through the river valley, up 483 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:44,000 the stair tower, down Michigan Street, and back. I don't I mean, it could be a 484 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,720 2K. I don't know. But >> could be a fun run with your kids, 485 00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:51,280 » right? >> Right. 486 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:54,480 » I think Bay Harbor used a paint run. 487 00:39:52,560 --> 00:40:01,520 » Oh, yeah. Color run. >> That was YMCA used to do that, too. 488 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,520 » My friend says they made running worse. 489 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:13,359 So, so that's not that, but we have it on our event calendar. So, we'll come up 490 00:40:11,359 --> 00:40:19,040 with something. It's we have a month for that. Um, and then trick-or- treat 491 00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:23,200 actually falls on Halloween this year. We have for trick-or- treat and also for 492 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:29,839 witches night, which is a grandpa shorter sponsored event. Um, the dancing 493 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:37,119 witches are coming for both events. Um, we considered closing the 300 block of 494 00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:41,680 Lake for Witches Night, but public safety wasn't thrilled about 495 00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:46,079 it. And >> Mark, well, it wasn't the whole 496 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:50,480 committee, but there are pros and cons again to closing the street. I mean, if 497 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:54,720 if we only closed that block and we had the dancing witches on that block, then 498 00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:58,800 the other participating businesses on Howard and Mitchell, people may never 499 00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:02,800 make it over there. So, we aren't going to close this the streets. I don't know 500 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:08,000 where the witches are going yet for that. But trick or treat, the streets 501 00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:12,000 are closed. So, um, Dog Days of Summer, this was also 502 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,359 something last year. I don't know if she did it before last year, but last year 503 00:41:13,599 --> 00:41:21,520 we lashed on to Dog Days of Summer and we just did dogs on the trolley. This 504 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:26,560 year we did a few more things, but I just found it interesting. 505 00:41:24,319 --> 00:41:30,640 um the Facebook reach we have gotten and of course it's like kids and dogs you 506 00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:39,200 know I mean people love this stuff but so we had over you I mean almost 40,000 507 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:44,960 Facebook views on this um >> and the interesting is is the vast 508 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:49,119 majority are not our followers. So um you know we we trying to do the 509 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:52,160 scavenger hunt. I'll have I think I'll have to post the 510 00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:56,000 QR code. I was trying to be really sneaky and it would be really hard, but 511 00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:02,720 it turns out nobody's doing it, so I'll have to make it a little easier. Um, 512 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:07,119 but so that's just we typically had nothing going on in September or nothing 513 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:12,319 going on in August and nothing going on till the end of September. So at least 514 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:18,480 those are um something. So So those have both gone 515 00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:23,200 pretty well. Um I've emailed you all about our staff person starting. So, she 516 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:29,040 starts September 14th. So, she'll be here for your September 15th, baby. 517 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:34,920 Um, let's see what else. Oh, I just wanted 518 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,920 to show you 519 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,839 decided to not 520 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:56,800 ask a quick sidewalk question. >> Yeah. What are what I had one person 521 00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:01,680 complain to me and asked that I share the complaint about outside businesses 522 00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:05,359 taking up space on the sidewalks. I'm agnostic on the subject, but I just 523 00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:10,960 didn't know what barometer we're using now in terms of 524 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:16,160 » So, we did try to get um outside vendors that was the marketing committee again 525 00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:21,200 because we have so much empty space on Mitchell and then you know the realtors 526 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:25,040 don't do don't put anything out. So we had the nonprofit, a lot of the 527 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:29,280 nonprofits we tried to get a few other outside vendors 528 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:37,599 that fiat they actually reached out to be but so we charge them $100 which we 529 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:46,800 can review what the fee is but to participate they pay us $100 and so we 530 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:52,400 had uh the vintage clothing store and uh the Fiat which was some event company 531 00:43:49,280 --> 00:44:00,720 that reached out to me and I thought it was it add a lot of excitement to that 532 00:43:56,319 --> 00:44:04,319 section of our but um I think having outside vendors is a lot better than 533 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:08,480 having >> empty spaces 534 00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,240 » and yeah >> it's always a balance I think the 535 00:44:09,839 --> 00:44:14,880 question >> just a balance and and there is a cost 536 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:19,280 so I mean >> you know 537 00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:22,160 » $100 for two days is way more than an assessment do 500 538 00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:25,440 » and that could be a way to raise money. I mean a thousand bucks for two days at 539 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:28,720 sidewalk sales is >> right how many how many guests you're 540 00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,359 how many people are you going to get to see 541 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:35,520 » but the tension is always like are they competitive with an existing downtown 542 00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,920 retailer right so there there should if we're going to do it there needs to be a 543 00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,680 clear standard >> that was I mean that is what's been 544 00:44:39,359 --> 00:44:46,800 talked about is that if to be non-competing for the most part but 545 00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:50,160 » right >> on that day does it even 546 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,920 » but it's hard to it doesn't matter I mean I was say with there 547 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:58,480 Dan Webbers used to have a thing right around the corner from us and it only 548 00:44:55,599 --> 00:45:01,760 helped us because then more people are coming down looking at winter stuff or 549 00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:08,640 whatever >> during the so for two days it's like 550 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:17,760 » I don't care. >> And I thought I had um 551 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:24,720 July visitor numbers 2025 versus 2026 um but it's not in my PowerPoint. Um but 552 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:30,319 uh definitely sidewalk sales number 553 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:35,839 actually Saturday was higher than Sunday or Friday which 554 00:45:32,319 --> 00:45:40,480 » isn't usually happen. Um and it was about 2,000 more visitors per day than 555 00:45:39,119 --> 00:45:43,680 last year. >> It it felt packed 556 00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,440 » to me at least. But >> there were record days for us like both 557 00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:53,040 bar and above. >> You were very busy. was an absolute zoo 558 00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:58,760 at opening on Friday. I thought there was going to be a stampede to 559 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,760 » I was like what if 560 00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:09,280 » but yeah it was both days were very busy I thought 561 00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:12,079 » we did a lot of product so that was good. 562 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:16,800 Yeah, >> Saturday was a slow start, but it then 563 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:21,119 it just kept going and that was amazing, which was really cool for Saturday. I 564 00:46:19,839 --> 00:46:27,359 don't know if that was Venetian. I don't know if that people up here 565 00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:32,240 » for not having Venetian, but it's great. >> So, next year it's the 30th and 31st of 566 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:37,119 July. >> Yeah. Whatever we did this year, again, 567 00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:42,880 » perfect weather. >> Perfect weather. Yeah. All of that. If 568 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:47,280 we can plan for that, that'd be great. >> That'd be great. 569 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:53,280 » Any has anyone happened to do any business? 570 00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:58,160 I know it's busy. So, >> unfortunately, I have not done my 571 00:46:55,200 --> 00:47:03,079 homework on that. Amy, not gone. And I only have two in my purchase. 572 00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:09,119 » Oh, you got my block. You're right. And then I have 573 00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,640 train and All right. 574 00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:19,079 » Either way, my answer still >> sitting on my desk somewhere. 575 00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:19,079 » Yep. 576 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:27,599 » And I we might need to be uh more specific for ourselves on that and just 577 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,240 say >> we don't think starting in the summer 578 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:34,000 the right time to start. >> That's what I'm saying. It's like 579 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:37,760 » it's if it's always just looming over we should be talking to our people on our 580 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:41,280 block. That's a little bit different than like, hey, we're gonna we do it 581 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:45,119 like this month >> in the fall and spring. It's like here's 582 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:49,520 what's going on. >> It's a little easier 583 00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:54,480 often easier to give people constraints and say you got to do it within these 584 00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:57,760 than to just leave it wide open. So, and I'm saying that to myself. 585 00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,880 » Yeah. Well, maybe it's >> Yeah. Maybe it's a you got to hit 586 00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:04,480 everybody in April and you got to hit everybody in November type of thing, you 587 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:07,920 know, like it's >> make sure everybody's ready to get going 588 00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:13,599 in April and make sure everybody's still alive in November. I don't know. 589 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:19,760 » That's just me talking to myself. So, >> November is a good This is slow timeish. 590 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:23,359 » Yeah. Then you have all this stuff going on. This was Yeah. Well, yeah, 591 00:48:21,760 --> 00:48:26,240 » but I'm certainly not a retailer, so maybe that's not the right 592 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:30,319 » Yeah. >> right motive. So 593 00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:33,920 » certainly not. >> I think the only downside of doing it in 594 00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:36,800 those times is that critical issues will not be at top of mind for me. 595 00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,920 » True. >> True. 596 00:48:37,359 --> 00:48:44,640 » Like so sleepy people are like >> it's slow is people 597 00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:45,520 » at least you get to meet the people though. 598 00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:50,000 » Sure. >> You know you build on it. It's 599 00:48:48,319 --> 00:48:53,040 » still got to first make the contact and show face, 600 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:59,200 » right? It's hard for you to have time and then be like, "Oh, I got time, too." 601 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,880 » Yeah. >> I guess something's better than nothing 602 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:06,960 in that whole program. So, >> it's a place to start and get it, like 603 00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:10,400 you said, on our calendar side. It's not going to happen for me if I don't have 604 00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:14,800 some deadlines of when and how we want to do it. And then 605 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:18,160 » then as we get used to it, then to me, it's something that you grow that you 606 00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:21,599 can make. And if they know who you are and there's critical things, then at 607 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:26,319 least they can then reach out to you on your own or on their own say, "Hey, this 608 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:31,280 critical thing happened. I'd like to talk to you at some point." I can make 609 00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:39,400 time for that much easier than trying to go see everybody 610 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:39,400 as Mr. business card says block. 611 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:46,720 » We'll get your name. >> Yeah. 612 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:54,319 » Anything? I think we're we don't have any city 613 00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:57,359 representatives this evening. So I think >> no action on the vacant properties and 614 00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:02,400 government street. >> I haven't heard anything more 615 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:06,400 » negotiations but >> and actually though I got a call from an 616 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:10,960 appraiser is it last week which is my guess is the 617 00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:16,720 appraiser that's working on it >> that project. Yeah, 618 00:50:14,559 --> 00:50:21,760 » because I think Shane had indicated he said he can't go in the buildings. 619 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:27,319 » He can't. Oh, yeah. No, we can't. Yeah, >> we can't. What? 620 00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:27,319 » The appraiser can't go in the building. 621 00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:30,880 » Smart. >> The news building for sale. That's kind 622 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:35,440 of >> I think we have some pictures already 623 00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:38,160 » of the inside of the building. So, >> the news building. 624 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:41,520 » Oh, the news. >> Yeah. Oh, news. Yes. 625 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:44,920 » Interesting. outside the district that is on the market. 626 00:50:45,119 --> 00:50:50,800 » Bring it on in. >> Is that David's building? 627 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:58,520 » Yeah. >> You said anything somewhat. 628 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,520 » That's cool. That's a cool 629 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,559 » know the downtown market in Grand Rapids. 630 00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:06,240 » Yeah. >> If that was like a downtown market, that 631 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:09,839 would be cool. Stalls. >> Oh, 632 00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:14,800 » for smaller. We need like something where there's smaller vendors that can 633 00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:18,480 like get their foot going and then take over retail spaces and then you'd 634 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:25,760 constantly be >> incubator 635 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:28,160 the pipeline to full store >> like the if the back 636 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:32,960 » trucks of the retail. >> Yeah. Yeah. If the back lots doing that 637 00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:38,160 or or you guys have some too like if you're able to start off on a restaurant 638 00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:40,559 in the food truck world then like move your way up. 639 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,559 » Same thing. >> Stay 640 00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:53,599 as long as you can. >> Yeah. Okay. On that note, um is there 641 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:57,839 anything else we want to go over this evening? 642 00:51:56,079 --> 00:52:04,839 All right. Being that there's nothing else to come before this board, I'll 643 00:52:00,240 --> 00:52:04,839 call us to journ. Thank you everybody.