1 00:05:06,030 --> 00:05:12,810 Good afternoon. I'd like to call the October meeting of the Central Arizona Groundwater Replenishment 2 00:05:12,810 --> 00:05:20,130 and Underground Storage Committee to order, and would like to welcome everybody to this 3 00:05:20,130 --> 00:05:25,090 meeting, and it seems that you're paying attention. We just had a board meeting just last Thursday, 4 00:05:25,230 --> 00:05:31,890 so this feels like a very short, and it is a very short turn around between board 5 00:05:31,890 --> 00:05:35,630 and committee meetings. But anyway, Megan, would you please call the roll? 6 00:05:36,510 --> 00:05:41,490 Karen Caesar. I'm here. Lisa Atkins. Rudy Fisher. Here. Pat Jacobs. 7 00:05:42,590 --> 00:05:47,770 First one. Stephen Miller is not here. Barbara Siego. Here. You have a quorum, Madam Chair. 8 00:05:48,030 --> 00:05:53,230 Great. Thank you very much. I'd like to remind all presenters to identify themselves for the record, 9 00:05:53,890 --> 00:05:59,810 and we'll move on to our first item of business, which is the approval of our minutes of our last meeting, 10 00:05:59,810 --> 00:06:07,170 which was September 18, 2025, and I will entertain a motion and recognize Board Member Atkins 11 00:06:07,170 --> 00:06:12,150 for this. Madam Chair, I move to approve the minutes of the September 18, 2025 meeting. 12 00:06:12,590 --> 00:06:19,170 Thank you. Do I have a second? Motion and second? All in favor? Any comments or questions? 13 00:06:20,570 --> 00:06:23,110 Hearing none, all in favor, please say aye. 14 00:06:23,370 --> 00:06:23,630 Aye. 15 00:06:24,450 --> 00:06:29,550 Any opposed? Thank you. Board Member Jacobs online. Any opposed? All right. 16 00:06:29,550 --> 00:06:33,810 then let the record reflect all members present and online voted in favor of the motion. 17 00:06:35,290 --> 00:06:40,970 The next item we have on our agenda, and I will just say like I said, we do have a short 18 00:06:40,970 --> 00:06:43,270 but very important agenda today. 19 00:06:43,450 --> 00:06:48,730 So this item coming before us is a discussion and consideration of action to recommend 20 00:06:48,730 --> 00:06:54,310 the Board approve a proposed long-term storage credit acquisition between the CAAWCD 21 00:06:54,310 --> 00:07:00,530 and the Tana Otham Nation, and we have Chris Brooks here to give us a little bit more information 22 00:07:00,530 --> 00:07:01,030 on this. 23 00:07:01,150 --> 00:07:03,450 I'll remind everybody this is our step two. 24 00:07:03,830 --> 00:07:08,530 We did hear about this, and we got some information on this at our last meeting. 25 00:07:08,830 --> 00:07:14,650 At that meeting, the seller was not identified, in part because the seller was still working 26 00:07:14,650 --> 00:07:16,510 through their process with their counsel. 27 00:07:16,690 --> 00:07:23,110 That has since happened, so we are happy to share the seller's name now, and Chris 28 00:07:23,110 --> 00:07:26,450 is here and I'll recognize you for any more information. Welcome. 29 00:07:27,210 --> 00:07:32,370 Thank you, Chair Caesar, members of the committee for the record. My name is Chris Brooks, Senior 30 00:07:32,370 --> 00:07:40,490 Policy Analyst with the CAGRD. And yes, so this will be a hopefully a successful vote 31 00:07:40,490 --> 00:07:47,790 to recommend approval of this agreement. Just a reminder of the terms of the agreement. 32 00:07:47,790 --> 00:07:51,430 These are 10,000 long-term storage credits that we will be acquiring. 33 00:07:51,730 --> 00:07:56,410 5,000 of them are in the East Valley at the New Magma GSF. 34 00:07:56,790 --> 00:08:00,510 5,000 of them are in the West Valley at the Hieroglyphic Mountain USF. 35 00:08:01,170 --> 00:08:04,850 We are going to pay $550 per long-term storage credit, 36 00:08:05,390 --> 00:08:10,290 so it's a total cost of $5.5 million for the 10,000 long-term storage credits. 37 00:08:11,250 --> 00:08:17,150 As the Chair mentioned, the Thon Optimization Legislative Council did approve this agreement 38 00:08:17,150 --> 00:08:22,890 earlier this week and with a recommendation from this committee today, this will go to the 39 00:08:22,890 --> 00:08:31,590 CWCD board in November for their approval. Just to show what we, the data we have on recent 40 00:08:31,590 --> 00:08:37,310 acquisitions in the Phoenix AMA, we think it demonstrates that this pricing is within the 41 00:08:37,310 --> 00:08:44,710 current market for long-term storage credits in Phoenix which is going up all the time. 42 00:08:47,230 --> 00:08:52,690 Again, some additional information on that, and that's pretty much what I have. 43 00:08:52,890 --> 00:08:55,890 I will be happy to answer any questions that anybody has about this. 44 00:08:57,370 --> 00:08:57,830 Great. 45 00:08:58,030 --> 00:08:58,610 Thank you, Mr. Brooks. 46 00:08:58,770 --> 00:09:03,870 Any questions for Mr. Brooks on this item? 47 00:09:04,790 --> 00:09:05,090 All right. 48 00:09:05,190 --> 00:09:10,310 Hearing none, I will recognize Board Member Jacobs. 49 00:09:10,790 --> 00:09:10,870 Yes. 50 00:09:11,930 --> 00:09:12,450 Thank you. 51 00:09:12,450 --> 00:09:20,670 So, when you say governmental agencies, besides cadre, who else is behind governmentally? 52 00:09:23,230 --> 00:09:24,070 Do we know? 53 00:09:24,330 --> 00:09:25,750 The water bank would be one. 54 00:09:27,650 --> 00:09:28,270 That would be us. 55 00:09:28,790 --> 00:09:32,130 And then occasionally cities acquire credits? 56 00:09:33,230 --> 00:09:40,070 And that's what I was looking at is our cities and, you know, the industry preparing 57 00:09:42,150 --> 00:09:47,150 independently and with some of these. That's all. That was the intent of my question. 58 00:09:49,980 --> 00:09:52,640 Okay, great. Thank you, Board Member Jacobs. All right. 59 00:09:53,020 --> 00:09:53,400 Thank you. 60 00:09:53,780 --> 00:09:57,740 Any other questions? If not, I will recognize Board Member Atkins for a motion. 61 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,580 I move that the CEGRD and Underground Storage Committee recommend that the Board approve 62 00:10:04,580 --> 00:10:12,640 the agreement between CWCD and the Tahana Odom Nation for acquisition of long-term 63 00:10:12,640 --> 00:10:17,520 storage credits. Great. Thank you. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Board Member Fisher. 64 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:24,040 All right. Thank you. Any other comments, questions? I don't know if we have any public comment on 65 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,720 this. You would have let me know. But just thought I'd ask. All right. Well, great. Very good. Then 66 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:36,160 all in favor of the motion, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Great. Then let the 67 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,920 record reflect that all members present and online voted in favor of the motion. And this 68 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,840 This item will then go to the board for full approval at our November meeting. 69 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:46,080 Chris, thank you so much. 70 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:46,580 Thank you. 71 00:10:48,540 --> 00:10:55,280 Next item on our agenda is a discussion on the revised CAGRD annual membership dues policy. 72 00:10:56,020 --> 00:11:02,060 And we have a CAGRD manager, Laura Grignano, to talk a little bit more about this. 73 00:11:02,380 --> 00:11:03,100 And welcome. 74 00:11:04,300 --> 00:11:04,960 Thank you. 75 00:11:05,340 --> 00:11:07,040 And good afternoon, Madam Chair. 76 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,000 For the record, my name is Lara Grignano, CAGRD Manager. 77 00:11:12,020 --> 00:11:24,060 Today, this item is step one for discussion of proposed minor modifications to CAGRD's policy of the collection of our annual membership dues. 78 00:11:24,060 --> 00:11:28,340 And you may recall that earlier this year, 79 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:36,520 CWCD was successful in amending CAGRD's annual membership dues calculation for member lands 80 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:40,360 through the passage of House Bill 2191. 81 00:11:41,180 --> 00:11:47,200 And this amendment decoupled the member land reliance from projections in the plan of operation 82 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:51,960 and based the calculation on projected groundwater use per lot 83 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:55,420 and the total number of lots enrolled in the GRD. 84 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,680 And if you recall, we did this to prevent AMD 85 00:12:00,680 --> 00:12:05,740 or annual membership due rate shock and inequities between AMAs 86 00:12:05,740 --> 00:12:09,160 when moving from one plan of operation to the next. 87 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:13,620 So moving into the 2025 plan as statutes were written 88 00:12:13,620 --> 00:12:18,860 would have caused great instability in those rates. 89 00:12:18,860 --> 00:12:21,620 So that was done successfully. 90 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:34,680 So today we just are bringing our board policy on the collection of AMDs to the committee to just make sure that that policy now aligns with what was changed in statute earlier this year. 91 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:43,280 So most aspects of the methodology that staff uses to implement the collection of AMDs are specified in statute. 92 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,280 It's very prescriptive. 93 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:55,380 Our policy just adds some additional description of the supporting data that we will use to carry out implementation. 94 00:12:56,500 --> 00:13:03,220 So, there are in your packets, there's a red line version of the revisions in the policy. 95 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:14,640 Again, they're very minor, but the first proposed revision outlines how CAGRD staff will calculate the projected groundwater use per lot. 96 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,740 and that's a new term in statute. 97 00:13:18,500 --> 00:13:23,820 And we talk in the, if you refer to the red line version, 98 00:13:25,220 --> 00:13:28,960 it reads, staff will calculate the projected groundwater use per lot 99 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:33,560 by using the five year rolling average of groundwater use 100 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:36,040 of all member land constructed lots. 101 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,900 So that's just setting out to our staff 102 00:13:39,900 --> 00:13:43,120 and to our stakeholders how we will be calculating that. 103 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:50,340 And then the second revision, and that's on the last page of the policy. 104 00:13:51,060 --> 00:13:59,280 The second revision just clarifies when a newly enrolled member service area must begin paying annual membership dues, 105 00:13:59,740 --> 00:14:02,680 and that will be based on the timing of its enrollment. 106 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:07,900 So the revision, again, in red line reads, 107 00:14:08,180 --> 00:14:13,500 if a member's service area is newly enrolled before December 31 of a given year, 108 00:14:14,020 --> 00:14:18,260 it will be responsible for paying annual membership dues the following year 109 00:14:18,260 --> 00:14:21,880 when the MSA invoices are sent out in mid-August. 110 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:28,840 So next year, for example, EBCOR is just recently become a new member's service area 111 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,440 for its West Valley system. 112 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:40,000 Next August in 2026, we will be invoicing EBCOR for their new MSA for 2025 annual membership dues. 113 00:14:40,420 --> 00:14:48,180 So we just wanted to make sure that that was clear to our members when those dues would be collected. 114 00:14:48,820 --> 00:14:50,820 And with that, I'm happy to answer any questions. 115 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:54,240 Great. Thank you, Ms. Grignano. 116 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,660 Any questions for Laura, for a member of CIEGO? 117 00:14:57,660 --> 00:14:59,080 So, okay, so. 118 00:15:00,110 --> 00:15:05,250 So, what happens? So, I guess I'm confused. Is it because the water year is from? 119 00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:10,230 So, the annual reports are sent out for the previous water year. 120 00:15:10,610 --> 00:15:10,890 Okay. 121 00:15:10,950 --> 00:15:20,270 So, when we, we don't receive annual use reports until March of the year after water has been delivered. 122 00:15:20,790 --> 00:15:21,130 Okay. 123 00:15:21,210 --> 00:15:24,790 So, we're always just one year past. 124 00:15:25,250 --> 00:15:25,630 Okay. 125 00:15:25,630 --> 00:15:25,830 Okay. 126 00:15:26,110 --> 00:15:26,230 Okay. 127 00:15:26,390 --> 00:15:32,470 We just collected the, in 2025 we were looking at the water use in 2024. 128 00:15:32,910 --> 00:15:38,810 We have to wait until that year ends, until we're given that data by the water providers 129 00:15:38,810 --> 00:15:42,110 on how much water they delivered to their customers in the previous year. 130 00:15:42,690 --> 00:15:42,990 Okay. 131 00:15:43,390 --> 00:15:43,690 All right. 132 00:15:43,830 --> 00:15:44,010 Thank you. 133 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:48,950 And just for clarification, this is a calendar year, because we talk about water years 134 00:15:49,610 --> 00:15:50,890 and calendar years. 135 00:15:51,070 --> 00:15:51,930 Which is this? 136 00:15:52,270 --> 00:15:53,030 Yes, Madam Chair. 137 00:15:53,290 --> 00:15:54,050 It is calendar year. 138 00:15:54,130 --> 00:15:54,490 Calendar year. 139 00:15:54,490 --> 00:15:55,550 Okay, all right. 140 00:15:57,050 --> 00:15:57,590 Great. 141 00:15:57,650 --> 00:15:58,150 Madam Chair? 142 00:15:58,470 --> 00:15:58,690 Yes. 143 00:15:59,070 --> 00:15:59,470 Dr. Jacob? 144 00:15:59,730 --> 00:15:59,950 Yes. 145 00:16:00,330 --> 00:16:00,630 Go ahead. 146 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:05,540 I'll do what? 147 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,120 They have 30 days to make payment? 148 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:08,760 Or some? 149 00:16:09,700 --> 00:16:11,320 Or do they pay in January? 150 00:16:12,620 --> 00:16:19,100 So our member service areas are invoiced in the middle of August and they have approximately 151 00:16:19,100 --> 00:16:22,840 two months until the middle of October to submit their payment. 152 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:24,820 Thank you. 153 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:34,760 Great. Any other questions? And then this is our first look at this, and we will then, 154 00:16:34,820 --> 00:16:40,380 it will come back to us at our next meeting where this is our step one in the committee, 155 00:16:40,660 --> 00:16:46,720 step two in committee in November. And at that point in time, we will be asked to recommend 156 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,920 that the board adopt the policy, and if everything goes according to plan, that should be at 157 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:57,460 our December meeting, which should set you up to have it all done this year, this calendar 158 00:16:57,460 --> 00:16:57,760 year. 159 00:16:58,320 --> 00:16:58,960 Good timing. 160 00:16:59,460 --> 00:16:59,580 Great. 161 00:17:00,100 --> 00:17:00,320 Okay. 162 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:01,480 Thank you very much. 163 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:07,340 And like I said, this is just a very good result of getting that legislation passed 164 00:17:07,340 --> 00:17:13,220 and everything kind of trued up and sorted out with the membership dues. 165 00:17:13,460 --> 00:17:15,220 So thank you very much. 166 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:19,600 But if you would please stay up there for the next agenda item, and that is going 167 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:27,660 to be a report out on the CAGRD 2025 plan of operation public hearings that were conducted 168 00:17:27,660 --> 00:17:30,500 last week. So recognize you again. 169 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:36,860 Great. Thank you again. And for the record, Laura Grignano, CAGRD manager. Yes, as I 170 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:44,640 reported at the last committee, the public hearings for the 2025 plan of operation were 171 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:50,280 going to be scheduled and held and they were held last week both the Tucson and 172 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:55,280 Pinal AMA public hearings were held on October 9th on last Thursday the same day 173 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:01,240 as the CWCD board meeting and then the following day on Friday October 10th we 174 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:08,020 held ADWR held the public hearing for the Phoenix AMA on at 9 30 on Friday 175 00:18:08,020 --> 00:18:13,680 morning. There were no comments received at any of the public hearings. 176 00:18:16,300 --> 00:18:17,600 There have been 177 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:26,140 two written comments submitted to the ADWR docket supervisor, and they've then sent those 178 00:18:26,140 --> 00:18:35,620 to CAGRD. Those two comments, all of the comments will be posted on ADWR's website, 179 00:18:35,620 --> 00:18:43,940 but those two comments that were received both are in support of the approval of the 2025 plan of operation. 180 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:49,700 One letter came from the Arizona Municipal Water Users Association, or AMWA, 181 00:18:50,060 --> 00:18:56,900 and the other just came today from Maricopa Standfield Irrigation and Drainage District. 182 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,180 So good news on that front. 183 00:19:00,180 --> 00:19:05,800 The public comment period goes until tomorrow at 5 p.m. 184 00:19:05,900 --> 00:19:11,800 So we could still receive additional written comments. 185 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,140 And I will put a link in next month's committee's packet 186 00:19:17,140 --> 00:19:19,140 so that you can see all of those comments 187 00:19:19,140 --> 00:19:22,340 once they're posted on ADWR's website. 188 00:19:22,540 --> 00:19:26,060 But so far, good news in support of the plan. 189 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,480 So very good news to report. 190 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:36,060 That's fantastic. Yeah. No, that's that is that is the best result that we can hope for and so 191 00:19:36,060 --> 00:19:42,700 appreciate that and we'll look forward to you know the you know I guess ultimately finally just 192 00:19:42,700 --> 00:19:49,160 remind us again after this what are what are where where when do we get to say it's done it's approved 193 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:58,460 and so we're getting close madam chair if we have received any comments that we need to respond 194 00:19:58,460 --> 00:20:05,780 on to. We will, we have, are given 30 days by the department. So we have until November 195 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:15,180 18th to write, make written response to those comments. And then once that, that timeline 196 00:20:15,180 --> 00:20:23,880 is done, then the department begins its determination as to whether or not we have shown that 197 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,380 that we can make our members pumping consistent with the management goal in each AMA. 198 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:34,980 So the department expects before the end of this year to make its final decision and issue 199 00:20:34,980 --> 00:20:36,300 their decision and order. 200 00:20:38,020 --> 00:20:38,580 Great. 201 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:39,280 All right. 202 00:20:39,500 --> 00:20:39,740 Excellent. 203 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,640 Well, like I said, it's been a multi-year effort and it will be so nice to have this 204 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,820 in the done column, not the to-do column. 205 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,560 Certainly will. 206 00:20:50,220 --> 00:20:50,480 Anyway. 207 00:20:50,740 --> 00:20:51,000 All right. 208 00:20:51,580 --> 00:20:51,900 Great. 209 00:20:51,900 --> 00:20:57,520 Great. Thank you very much. All right. Again, this has been, like I said, it's been a short 210 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:04,540 meeting. I do want to move on to our future agenda items and remind that everybody that 211 00:21:04,540 --> 00:21:09,700 our next meeting will be November 20th. That will be here at headquarters. That's the 212 00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:14,440 week right before Thanksgiving. And it will be, obviously, the usual time at 12.30. 213 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:19,240 And at that time, we will consider a recommendation to the board policy that we just discussed 214 00:21:20,260 --> 00:21:32,040 We'll also have some reports on recovery planning and implementation and the 2024 annual operations reports, as well as a quarterly update on member land and member service area enrollment activity. 215 00:21:32,780 --> 00:21:36,480 This will be our final meeting of the year of this committee, hard to believe. 216 00:21:36,980 --> 00:21:45,960 And I think I just want to note that it's really nice that we can end it with a lot of this information because last year we had so much other stuff going on. 217 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:51,700 And I think a lot of these regularly occurring items got pushed out to our first meeting 218 00:21:51,700 --> 00:21:52,500 in January. 219 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:58,680 So it would be kind of nice to at least look forward to completing all of our 2025 business 220 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:04,520 in 2025 and looking forward to starting off the new year with our whole new set of 221 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:05,860 issues that we will be tackling. 222 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,960 I'm also going to say, and I'm just going to take a moment just to, before public 223 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:14,060 comment, before I turn to Ms. Casey and say, do we have any public comments? 224 00:22:14,140 --> 00:22:14,680 And she says. 225 00:22:15,380 --> 00:22:16,360 No, Madam Chair. 226 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:17,280 No comments. 227 00:22:17,620 --> 00:22:21,900 I want to take a moment to acknowledge and recognize Ms. Casey for an upcoming award 228 00:22:21,900 --> 00:22:25,240 and recognition very well deserved that she will be receiving. 229 00:22:25,700 --> 00:22:27,560 And that's the Arizona Capitol Times. 230 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,940 She's been named a woman achiever in Arizona. 231 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:32,480 And it's a very elite group. 232 00:22:34,060 --> 00:22:38,420 And those of us that know you and work with you are not surprised, of course. 233 00:22:38,660 --> 00:22:44,000 But it's really neat when someone gets recognized on that bigger stage and gets honored 234 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:50,260 recognized for the work you've done. And again, all of us that work with Megan know, she does a lot of work. 235 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,880 I mean, besides running kind of the front of the house on these meetings, she does a lot of policy work, 236 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:01,440 and a lot of technical work, and a lot of support work for many of the different departments, 237 00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:06,220 especially obviously her department. So I'm going to just take a minute and say congratulations again, 238 00:23:06,300 --> 00:23:12,500 and we're very, very proud of you. And with that and no other business to come before the meeting, 239 00:23:12,500 --> 00:23:16,140 I think we are in record time, I think, adjourned.