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Perfect. Thank you very much. Wonderful. Good evening, everyone. This

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is the planning and development committee. For June the 9th,

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2025. I am your chair this evening. I am regional

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counselor Linda Cook. For the beautiful award two in the

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city of Pickering this evening. I'm going to call. This

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meeting to order. Madam clerk, if I could ask you

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to take roll call, please. Thank you. Madam chair, I

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can certify the attendance of all members of council save

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and except for. Councilor. Naggy and all members present are

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participating electronically. Thank you for that, Madam Clerk. Just for

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a viewing audience at home. Councilor Naggy is not able

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to join us this evening due to some personal family

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issues. If you could all keep councilor Naggy and her

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family in our thoughts. In your thoughts. That would be

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greatly appreciated. And we do wish her family. Some comfort

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this evening. And with that, I will move on to

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the second order of business, which. Is disclosures of interest

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from anyone on the committee. Seeing and hearing that, we

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will move on. We are at the delegation portion of

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our meeting. This evening and. I will just note for

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those following along at home, we have quite an exhaustive

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list. This evening. There are a number of delegations, so

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we will be moving through them. As efficiently as we

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can, allowing our delegations their allotted time, which is either

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ten minutes for group delegation or five for those who

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are solo. And then our committee will have opportunity to

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ask. Questions. So with that, we have a group delegation.

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I do have a point of order. I just like

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to ask. Of you. Okay, go ahead, Councilor Brun. It

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will be my intent following the delegations. To move, a

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motion to alter the agenda to move forward. I believe

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item 4.4 to the front of the agenda following delegations.

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Okay, noted. I would ask you to just speak up

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at the appropriate time at four point. In advance of

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4.1 when we complete the delegations. To make sure that

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you have your mover in your seconder to alter the

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agenda. So thank you for that notice and I've made

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a note. Thanks, Councilor Robinson. Thank you, madam Chair. Sorry

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for interrupting. All good. No worries. We're going to be

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fluid this evening since we have a number. So back

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to what I was saying. Item 3.1 is a group

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delegation. It is. From Mike Pedigrew, Sandstone and South Stone,

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who are representing the big liare group. In respect to

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report PLN 1425, which is a zoning bylaw amendment to.

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Draft plan condominium CP 2024 five so I would oh,

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and they have a presentation. I see that's already up

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in regards to Palmer's sawmill road. So whoever is going

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to be the lead delegate to speak, welcome to our

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meeting. Mike and I guess you can take it away.

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Thank you very much. Madam chair, members of council, and

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to the public and staff that are here, Mike Pedigrew.

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I am partner at the big Leary group, and we're

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actually representing the other two. Gentlemen, the stone brothers, who

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are part of the Stone pay development group. Who are

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the owners and the official applicants? For this site. So,

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as you mentioned, there are two applications. There is a

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zoning bylaw amendment. And a draft plan of common element

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condominium. And this is for the second phase of their

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development. That is just to the west of Brock. And

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on what is now the new road that's going through,

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which is Palmer Sawmill. So if I could get the

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next slide. So the subject lands are outlined in red.

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Right. Immediately to the right or to the east is

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the phase one, which consists of stack townhouses. And block

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townhouses on a standard condominium. And I'll get to that

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when? We speak to the condominium application. And to the

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south is a public pond that will service these lands,

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as well as future lands to the north. In phases

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three and four. So the subject lands. On the west

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side of phase one is a continuation of that same

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development, mirroring a private road development. Instead of with stack

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townhouses. We are now seeking permission for street townhouses, which

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is slightly different because of the proposed condominium. Tenure, which

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is a common element, or you may have heard them

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as potles or parcels. Of tide land. It's a very

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similar pattern with how. Going to be facing palmers Sawmill

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Road with access to garages at the rear of the

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property. Very similar to phase one. Using the existing and

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you can see is the private road that splits these

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two phases as the main point of access and a

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second access off of tillings. Next slide, please. So in

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the staff report, which I'm sure all members of the

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committee here have read, The application that's before you. The

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zoning bylaw. Has had regard for the neighborhood development guidelines

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and conforms to the envision Durham and the Pickering official

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plan, so obviously no amendments are being sought. There. And

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it also is consistent and conforms to the provincial plans

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and policies. So where it differs is the zoning bylaw

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amendment. Originally, as part of the four phase development, there

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was a draft plan of subdivision and a zoning bylaw

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that was put together at that time. So we are

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seeking an amendment to what was a site exception zoning

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bylaw. And instead of stacks and block townhouses. The main

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change here is to change the tenure type, and thus

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it changes. The technical form for the zoning. So what

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has been brought forward today has gone through a site

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plan approval process. Has actually gone to the site plan

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committee. And is nearly complete from a site plan perspective.

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And then, through conversations with staff, this was the appropriate

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time to bring forward both the condominium and the zoning

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application. In order to solidify the right provisions to match

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what staff have deemed acceptable in a site plan application.

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And following this approval, if that were to be granted.

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We would be working with staff to finalize and wrap

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up the site plan approval process. Shortly thereafter. So, next

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slide, please. So the difference between. A common element condominium

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and a standard condominium is that. The future purchasers will

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own the property beneath their townhouse outright, and they will

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be sharing common elements which. Are private roads, private sidewalks.

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It's very similar to a standard condominium. Typically, standard condominiums

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are when you have stacked townhouses and you actually have

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no land underneath your unit. You are sharing more than

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just the common elements. You are actually sharing the. And

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so because the type of unit, street, town has changed.

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Thus we had to go forward with. A common element

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condominium, and we are proposing 85 of those three story

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townhouses. In terms of the other provisions of the zoning

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bylaw, almost everything remains the same. We are maintaining the

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same parking rates. There's two spaces per unit. One in

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a garage, one in a driveway and there is. 0.2

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spaces per unit for visitors, which is matching what was

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there in the previous site. Exception. Zoning. In terms of

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the lot frontages, lot areas, instead of the site being

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viewed as one large block. They're now viewed as individual

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townhouses, and so the zoning is now then changed. To

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reflect that. But the townhouses that are being proposed are

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similar in their size and nature to the block. Townhouses

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that. Were in phase one. One of the other big

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changes. Is a response to some questions from councilors from

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phase one, which is relating to the air. Conditioner units.

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And so, working with staff and with the counselor, councilor

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Butt, I brought this. Up. We have now put the

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air conditioner units on the ground level, and they're adequately

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screened with the ornamental screening. And landscaping to hide those

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as well. So those are now on the ground level.

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And for the units that are facing Palmer sawmill. They

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are on that palmer sawmill side. And thus it was

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most appropriate to screen them for the other units. They

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are also still on the ground level, which allows for

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those units. Any balconies on the second or third. Floors.

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To not have an air conditioner unit on that balcony,

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which allows them to maximize that amenity. Area. So that

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was in response to what we heard, and our clients

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were happy to oblige that. So that's now reflected in

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the current zoning bylaw. That's before you. Next slide, please.

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So this is the plan? The individual units are shown

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either in pink or in yellow, and that indicates. The

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individual homeowner's property and then all the other areas of

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the site that are whites. Within that sort of dashed

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black boundary are all the shared items. So any of

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the landscaping, the visitor parking, the sidewalks. The water meter

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room. All of that around the edges of the site.

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Is all part of the common elements. And to the

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right hand side is the existing private row. Which they

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also share for access. And then you can see in

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the top left, the access that goes out. To Palmer

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Sawmill Road, which in the ultimate alignment with tillings. Will

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be revised for that intersection. But that's where the third

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access is for the site. Next slide, please. There were

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also a few questions that councilors brought up at our

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public meeting on March 3. One of them was from

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an email. That the staff had received from the Mississaugas

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of Scogog Island, First Nation. Requesting that any wood lots,

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wetlands and other features that are proposed to be cleared.

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Be fully compensated. We did address this at that public

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meeting. And I just want to again reiterate, because it's

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in the dashboard as well, is that this application is

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not seeking to do anything. Within those valley lands. In

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fact, that was all dealt with at the draft plan

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stage and through this application. We're actually implementing the compensation

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and edge management plans that were already approved at. That

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time. And staff from the city reached out. To the

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Mississaugas, and they agreed that they are satisfied now with

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that response and they understand that that has been taken

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into account with the draft plan. I've already mentioned as

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well the air conditioner units. On a slide that's coming

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up. I'll show you what a rendering looks like. Of

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the screening and landscaping that we're proposing. But based on

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those changes, staff have reviewed those and they are satisfied.

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And there was also a question about the future intersection

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at Brock Road and Palmer Sawmill and when that would

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be upgraded. The region has responded as determined that based

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on this application, which actually has slightly fewer units than

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what was proposed in the original plans when there were

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stack townhouses. They determined that this is not the appropriate

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time for the signal upgrades at Palmer Sawmill and Brock.

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Road. And so. The region's determination is that that was

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not warranted at this time. Other than that, at that

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public meeting, there were no public delegates that came out

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to speak on behalf of residents in the area. And

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so there were no additional comments there to address. And

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since that application and circulation, there's been no other department

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or agency comments that have any concerns with council approving

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our planning committee proving this zoning bylaw application tonight. So

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next. Slide, please. And Mr. Pedigrew, I just need to

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let you know you are at time. If I could

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ask you to wrap up. I know you wanted to

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show councilor about where that screen would go. So if

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you could do so, that would be terrific. And we

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can handle the rest within questions from the committee. That's

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it right here. So this is the screening and the

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landscaping. Thank you. Chair. Cook. This is the example. And

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we can bring this back up through questions. If there

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are any other than that, I want. To say that

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we and our clients have reviewed the staff report and

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the recommendations. We agree and we support the recommendation for

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approval tonight, and I'm happy to answer any questions that

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you may have. And thank you. And I see councilor

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Butt had his hand up first, so I will start.

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A list, councilor butt. Thank you, chair cook. Questions. Mike.

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Mike. On the map currently, I didn't see any green

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space or park area. Now, I know there was between

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the discussion between phase one and two, maybe could you

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point out. On the map. Where? How in the green

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space is. Certainly. Maybe if slide two could be brought

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up again. If that's councilor's wish. Okay.

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So the fold development. Thank you very much. So the

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full development spans between four seasons on the right hand

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side and tillings, and it goes up to the hydro

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corridor, which. Is that area by the wood lot to

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the north. And I apologize, because I can't. Point on

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the screen. But at the very top of the page

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and about the center there is a village green that

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will be a public park that was secured as part

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of the draft plan approval. And from what I understand.

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That's going out to tender right now for construction. And

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so hopefully that will be constructed in the near future.

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But that park right there. Was the full 5% of

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the required land at that time of the draft plan.

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And that's going to be going forward. Within. The actual.

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Phase two lands. There are pedestrian muse, which are just

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pedestrian walkways with landscaping and seating on the sides that

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are actually running through the center of the site, very

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similar to what you see in phase one. And then

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there is going to be landscape areas around where. The

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visitor parking is on the caps of these private roads,

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and so there'll be additional landscaping there and then all

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along the south and west end of the site, adjacent

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to that large valley area and wooded area. That's where

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that edge management and edge enhancement will be with additional

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landscaping. It's quite significantly sloped as you get towards that

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value, as you can imagine. So. There will be some

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retaining walls that are going to be put into that

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space as well, but that will be maintained by the.

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Mike, the other question I had was apparently the switch

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from the back townhouses to street townhouses. Has the numbers

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increase or decreased? Would that change? The number of units

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overall has decreased. Because the stack townhouses, obviously, number of

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units that you can have when you put one or

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two on top. So it has dramatically dropped from the

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original application. To this application tier now. In terms of

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the original zoning bylaw, it contemplated a number of traditional

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towns as it was called throughout the entire development, and

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we're now just by this phase alone, far exceeding that.

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Minimum requirement of traditional town, so it's greeting a much

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larger and greater mix of housing. Types, which we thought

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was important as well. That's great. And I'm actually happy

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that. You have made some changes in order to reflect

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the air condition to be out in the exteriors. And

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I think with many residents in the phase one feedback

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that came up to me and constraint pickles. And that's

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very welcoming news. Thank you so much for your presentation,

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Mike. Thank you. Thank you, Bennett. You are very welcome.

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Councilor pickles. Yes. I thought I did see your hand

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up. Okay, you are next. Thank you. Thank you, madam

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Chair. Thanks for the presentation, Mike. At the end of

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your answer to councilor Butt's concerns, you mentioned. A retaining

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wall and I think a few other. Elements there. So

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are those going to be common elements or. Those private

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property elements. And maybe you could just go over what

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the common elements are again. Certainly. So, through the chair.

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The retaining walls that are going to be proposed. Along

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the edge of the development towards the valley. Those will

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be maintained by the condominium. And so the wall itself

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and any of the landscaping that's around them will be

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also maintained by the condominium. And so the difference between

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common elements and these potles, these parcels of tide land,

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which are basically a person's individual lot. Whatever is their

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individual property, which we saw in that figure that had

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the pink and the yellow. Indication of the different lots.

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Outside of those, those are the common elements. So any

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sidewalks, the private sidewalks going through development adjacent to the

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private roads, any of the landscaping? That is on the

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pedestrian muse, any of the visitor parking areas, any of

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the edge management, any of the vegetation, the retaining walls,

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that sort of infrastructure that's along the edge, those are.

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All common elements. As well as a common water meter

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room, which is located adjacent to the first block near

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Palmer. Sawmill. Those are all part of these common elements.

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Common elements. Which is similar to phase one. Standard condos

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have common elements as well. So when you're there and

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visiting the site, It will look and feel very similar.

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From that perspective, it's only almost technicality on paper that

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you will see a difference. And there'll be a super

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mailbox there, I assume. There are. So there's actually two

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different locations where we've located. So just to spread it

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out so it's not in one spot. We have a

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couple of locations for the mailboxes near visitor parking areas.

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Okay. And just with respect to the signalization, that Palmer

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Sawmill and Brock Road, it's. An item. Myself and councilor

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butt have brought up many times that it's necessary there's.

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Been a number of accidents at that intersection. But I

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think now. With the tolls being removed east of Brock

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Road, we're seeing a lot more traffic. On Rock Road.

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And. Your principles and the future residents may appreciate. Having

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signalization there, so it's something that I'm going to. Be.

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Continuing to pursue with the region, but thank you. Excellent.

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Thank you, council. Anyone else? Questions of the delegate? If

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not. I thank you, Mike, for representing your delegation. And.

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We will. Address your item when it hits the floor.

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Item 4.3. So we are moving on to item 3.2.

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Thank you. Which is another group? Delegation, this is Adam

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Layton, who's associate principal for the Goldberg Group and Will

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Maria, transportation planning lead for GHD. This is in reference

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to 720. Granite court, which is item 4.4 on the

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agenda. Report number PLN 1525. Good. Evening, gentlemen. And as

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this is a group delegation, you also do have ten

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minutes as well, so. You may proceed. Thank you, madam

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Chair. Hopefully I'm coming through loud and clear. Perfect. Excellent.

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So thank you for the introductions. As noted, we are

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here tonight to discuss the application at 720. Granite court.

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I do apologize. I noted a typo on the cover

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slide, so I have sent the corrected version to Andy,

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which hopefully can be reflected in the final agenda package.

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But in any event. We are very happy to be

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here tonight. To discuss a recommendation for approval by staff

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for the proposed development of this property. Just actually two

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years plus one day since we made this initial submission.

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In June 2023. Moving to the next slide. I'll re

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familiarize council with. The context of the subject site, so

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it is within a local node at the northwest corner

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of the intersection of granite Court and Whites Road. The

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rail corridor does cross the property to the north. And

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west. Creating a triangular shaped parcel on the west side

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of the rail corridor or employment lands Whites Road itself

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to Bailey is an artsier road and a high frequency

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transit route. And then to the southwest and east. Are

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additional low density residential areas. Moving to the next slide.

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We can see. The site statistics comparing the initial proposal

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from 2023 to the revised proposal before you tonight. Again.

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We've had. A robust public consultation process. Including. Two community

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meetings, as well as one public meeting, which you may

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recall from November 2023. And before you tonight is a

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revised proposal which has reduced the overall height of the

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development from twelve stories down to ten has reduced the

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overall unit count from 262 down to 252s or reduction

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of ten units. A reconfiguration of the unit mix to

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provide a greater proportion of larger units. And some minor

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amendments to the site plan with respect to the layout

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of amenity areas. And no change to the FSI, which

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is still consistent with the official plan at 1.7 FSI

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but are a corresponding reduction in the units per hectare

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measure. At just under 213 units per hectare, and then

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parking and bike parking. Are generally remain generally the same.

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On the next slide you'll see a comparison of the

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initial proposal. On the left side of the screen. And

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the revised proposal. Again, the layout of the building, the

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access. From granite court, which is separated from the intersection

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by about 74 meters, remains largely consistent. There has been

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some reconfiguration of amenity, spaces and whatnot in order to

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reduce the height. We've elongated the development along Whites Road

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and that's probably best shown. On the next slide, which

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is a rendered land. Landscape plan showing the relationship of

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the ground floor. In this instance, north would be to

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the right. Side of the page. So if you tilt

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your head, you'd get the same sort of view as

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on the prior slide and this shows the anticipated public

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realm treatment along Whites Road and granite court, the location

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of the driveway, the proposed plantings and amenity space layout

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as well as the. Relationship to the ground floor, as

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noted in the staff report, which, again, I do thank

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staff for. Being extremely thorough. In their description of the

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proposal. What we had previously contemplated as a privately owned,

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publicly accessible space, or pop space along the granite road

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frontage we heard loud and clear that there were some

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concerns about the appropriateness of that programming. So we removed

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that and are just contemplating it more as sort of

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a passive outdoor landscaped area, the orange areas that are

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highlighted. On the building are residential use areas, and that

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includes outdoor terraces facing the public realm. We have yellow

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area, which I'll get to on the next slide, and

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then the blue area is. Your loading and back of

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house operations. Moving on to the next slide. Is one

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other addition. We've included some non residential floor area into

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the building, so we've got about 81 m² or just

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under about 1000 sqft. Of non residential floor area, which

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we've included appropriate permissions for in the draft zoning bylaw

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that could be locally oriented. Retail, day nursery, something of

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that nature. Obviously, we're just trying to establish flexibility at

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this point. And then moving on to the next slide,

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I think is one of the primary issues that people

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raised during the consultation. So this is an aerial view

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of the existing intersection. We've done significant analysis of the

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traffic intersection operations. If there's questions, Mr. Maria who's the

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transportation lead at GHD, who wrote the transportation impact study

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with his colleagues. Can go into more detail than I,

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but I'll just summarize it at a high level. One

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of the main concerns, obviously, is the backing up of

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traffic. At the peak hours. During the afternoon rush hour.

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More than anything. For people leaving the employment area. We

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actually had GHD set up some cameras to. Get continuous

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monitoring and live stream feeds of the traffic operations to

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be able to fully vet the situation, and what it

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determined was that there might be a potential to convert.

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The intersection operations. To a dual northbound left turn. So

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the existing northbound left would remain, and then the through

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lane, or at least what is currently a through lane

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could be converted to allow through left and right turns,

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and in doing so, as described in the staff report

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quite succinctly, we would hopefully see a significant reduction in

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the queuing length along granite court. This has been passed

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by and analyzed by a region of Durham staff as

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well as city staff. And they have advised that. It

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can be successfully implemented through the proposed development. I'll move

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on to the next slide. I'm assuming if there are

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questions, we. Can ask Ms. Maria once I've through the

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slide deck. This is just an updated rendered view showing.

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The proposed development in situ. This is looking northwest from

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the southeast corner of the intersection of Whites Road and

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Granite Court. You'll see some of the built form changes

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that we've implemented, including the reduced height, the location of

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entrances and the new sidewalks. The long granite court in

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Whites Road. The building steps as one increases in height

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in order to provide. An appropriate transition. And then on

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the following slides, we just have the angular plane drawings,

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which are provided in the staff report as well, but

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I think do serve. Sorry, I got one ahead. We

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do have some alternative views not rendered, but these are

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very just showing details of the proposed building. Massing, which

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obviously will be further detailed through the. Site plan process

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the view on the right looking from granted court the

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view on the vice versa. Left from Granite court, right

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from Whites Road, and then on the following slides, we

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have the angular plane images showing, if you may recall,

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at the twelve stories, there was a slight encroachment of

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the angular plane through mechanical pentos, obviously by dropping two.

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Stories. We are now significantly below the projected angular plane,

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which is that red dash line. So this is the

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view that would be looking up white's road or the

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east angular plane and then the next slide shows the

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southern angular plane. From granite court. That concludes my presentation.

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I'm happy to answer any questions. And again, I do

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thank staff and councilor for the opportunity to work together

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on this project for the robust community consultation and for

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the opportunity to speak here tonight. Thank you very much,

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Mr. Layton. We will certainly take questions now from committee.

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I can start a list. Mr. Pickles, you are first.

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Go ahead, councilor. Thank you, madam Chair. The dual turn

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lane, the dual left hand turn lane going east on

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Bailey north onto Whites Road. You mentioned would alleviate some

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traffic, but. In the second lane, which. Would be the

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left turn through lane or right turn lane if there

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was one car waiting to go through the throughling. That

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would impede other cars from using that as a left

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hand. Turn lane, would it not? Well, the left would

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only occur on a green light, at which point. The

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through lane could that car would clear? The through lane

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by just going through the green light and the left

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could continue. Okay. All right, so I see how that

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works. Retail. You're proposing. I think you said 1000 think

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you said. In. 81 m², slightly less than 1000 sqft.

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You suggested it would be something like a daycare. Would

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it be something like. Could it be. Something like a

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convenience store. Certainly. I'm just pulling up the zoning bylaw

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to see exactly what uses we've. Permitted. But what we

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have contemplated, in addition to the apartment, dwellings, animal care

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establishment, art gallery, and studio convenience store dry cleaning distribution

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center financial institution office personal service shop restaurant veterinary clinic

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so. Those sort of compatible non residential uses that could

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coexist harmoniously at grade in an apartment building. Okay, that's

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there. Any questions? I add. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you

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00:34:24,385 --> 00:34:28,949
very much. Councilor pickles. Councilor butt. Thank you. My question

473
00:34:28,949 --> 00:34:32,229
was in terms of parking ratios. I'm not sure if

474
00:34:32,229 --> 00:34:35,669
you addressed that, could you address the parking ratios do

475
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:38,549
you have in your complex? Certainly. If we could pull

476
00:34:38,549 --> 00:34:43,885
up, I. Believe it was slide three. Statistics we are

477
00:34:43,885 --> 00:34:50,088
consistent with. The city's comprehensive zoning bylaw. We're providing about

478
00:34:50,088 --> 00:34:56,009
one. Point. A blended 1.6 basis per unit. Or about

479
00:34:56,009 --> 00:35:01,489
1.35 for residential and just under zero point 26 for

480
00:35:01,489 --> 00:35:06,419
visitor. In fact, there's a slight oversupply. I see. Like

481
00:35:06,419 --> 00:35:12,419
Bachelor A, for example, 3.1 percentage and then one bedroom,

482
00:35:12,419 --> 00:35:17,527
68%. Sorry, council, I believe you're looking at the prior

483
00:35:17,527 --> 00:35:20,847
proposal. The revised proposal, which would be. To the right.

484
00:35:20,847 --> 00:35:22,807
Oh, yes, that's right. That's what I was going to

485
00:35:22,807 --> 00:35:27,670
say. So that's much better now. So obviously. At one

486
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:33,781
bedroom 103. So it's gone down now? Yes. We've readjusted

487
00:35:33,781 --> 00:35:35,621
the unit mix so that there was a larger proportion.

488
00:35:37,607 --> 00:35:42,046
Of larger units, so. We've introduced some three bedroom units.

489
00:35:42,046 --> 00:35:46,126
There's almost 5% of those. And then obviously skewed more

490
00:35:46,126 --> 00:35:48,286
towards the one bedroom plus den, two bedroom and two

491
00:35:48,286 --> 00:35:52,246
bedroom plus dense. What about amenities? What kind of amenities

492
00:35:52,246 --> 00:35:56,046
are you offering? So, at grade currently, maybe if we

493
00:35:56,046 --> 00:36:03,155
go. To. What page is it? Slide. Five. We're providing

494
00:36:03,155 --> 00:36:06,155
both programmed and unprogrammed spaces, so if you zoom in,

495
00:36:06,155 --> 00:36:08,334
maybe. Towards. The right side of the page or on

496
00:36:08,334 --> 00:36:10,734
the north side of the building. While this does need

497
00:36:10,734 --> 00:36:14,349
to still go through the site plan process. We're contemplating

498
00:36:14,349 --> 00:36:17,269
that there would be a variety of outdoor areas. We've

499
00:36:17,269 --> 00:36:21,543
contemplated some community gardens. A dedicated kids play area, or

500
00:36:21,543 --> 00:36:25,808
what we call a tot lot. Some passive seating. And

501
00:36:25,808 --> 00:36:28,568
then as well, on the far west side of the

502
00:36:28,568 --> 00:36:32,848
site is a large unprogrammed area, which we foresee leaving

503
00:36:32,848 --> 00:36:36,768
in more of a passive landscape sawted area that could

504
00:36:36,768 --> 00:36:40,658
be used for a variety of purposes. And that's. Sorry.

505
00:36:40,658 --> 00:36:43,858
In addition to the interior amenity spaces, which are also

506
00:36:43,858 --> 00:36:46,938
provided, so. The green areas that I see. Is that

507
00:36:46,938 --> 00:36:52,964
a planted tree areas? It's a bit of both. So

508
00:36:52,964 --> 00:36:55,924
perhaps. Are you looking at the north side of the

509
00:36:55,924 --> 00:36:57,684
building or the west? The north side. Of the building,

510
00:36:57,684 --> 00:37:00,124
north side of the building. So there is the more

511
00:37:00,124 --> 00:37:03,400
active use areas. Which. Sorry. If we could go to

512
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,040
the. Whoever's controlling the screen, I think you need. To

513
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,899
go. One slide prior. Yes. So you'll see it here.

514
00:37:10,899 --> 00:37:14,179
There is an area that's enclosed by a noise barrier,

515
00:37:14,179 --> 00:37:17,179
which would be the more active areas, which would consist

516
00:37:17,179 --> 00:37:21,659
of seating areas, community gardens, the taut lots, dog off

517
00:37:21,659 --> 00:37:24,819
leash, play areas, things of that nature, and then the

518
00:37:24,819 --> 00:37:29,491
rest of the site. Where it's shown in green. Would

519
00:37:29,491 --> 00:37:35,292
just be left sided or unprogrammed for. More wider variety

520
00:37:35,292 --> 00:37:40,869
of uses. Okay. That's all the questions I had. Thank

521
00:37:40,869 --> 00:37:45,281
you. Thank you, madam Chair. You are very welcome, councilor,

522
00:37:45,281 --> 00:37:49,361
but I'm not seeing any additional hands from council, so.

523
00:37:49,361 --> 00:37:52,761
I thank you very much, Mr. Layton, for your delegation

524
00:37:52,761 --> 00:37:56,239
and. We will get to this particular item and do

525
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,342
the course. Thank you, madam Chair. You're very welcome. 3.3

526
00:38:01,342 --> 00:38:04,942
is Pickering resident Mr. Craig Bamford, who will be speaking

527
00:38:04,942 --> 00:38:09,382
on Report Pln. 1625, which is item 4.2 on the

528
00:38:09,382 --> 00:38:13,022
agenda, which is a project update and completed growth management

529
00:38:13,022 --> 00:38:18,022
strategy. Welcome, Mr. Bamford, back to our chambers, virtual though

530
00:38:18,022 --> 00:38:20,102
they are, and you will have five minutes for your

531
00:38:20,102 --> 00:38:26,956
delegation. Thank you. Thank you. My presentation is titled five

532
00:38:26,956 --> 00:38:30,676
ways to make homes more affordable. And pickering, tonight, I

533
00:38:30,676 --> 00:38:32,796
would like to introduce you to the work of the.

534
00:38:38,276 --> 00:38:43,076
Alliance for Livable Ontario, a multidiscipline group of interested Ontario

535
00:38:43,076 --> 00:38:48,236
residents and volunteers who came together to research best practices

536
00:38:48,236 --> 00:38:53,116
for creating affordable housing in Ontario. The report advisors included

537
00:38:53,116 --> 00:38:59,397
recognizable names like Anne Golden, David Cromby, Greg saber. Sabera

538
00:38:59,397 --> 00:39:03,517
from the building industry, Tim Gray from environmental defense and

539
00:39:03,517 --> 00:39:07,699
many others. The report has also been endorsed by planners,

540
00:39:07,699 --> 00:39:13,299
including former Toronto planning chief Jennifer Keysmat. Other professional planners,

541
00:39:13,299 --> 00:39:16,659
including a gentleman from the region of Durham who headed

542
00:39:16,659 --> 00:39:20,059
up their planning department, Victor Doyle, who has well been

543
00:39:20,059 --> 00:39:23,946
on to all of us and a number. Of environmental,

544
00:39:23,946 --> 00:39:30,198
agricultural and community groups. During the recent provincial election campaign.

545
00:39:30,198 --> 00:39:33,598
The report was packaged up and each provincial party was

546
00:39:33,598 --> 00:39:38,135
asked to endorse the report. Which was titled for that

547
00:39:38,135 --> 00:39:43,832
purpose. And five ways home. And each of the leaders

548
00:39:43,832 --> 00:39:48,672
of the Liberal NDP and Green parties endorsed the report.

549
00:39:48,672 --> 00:39:52,591
I'd be happy to provide their letters to you. Andy.

550
00:39:54,337 --> 00:39:58,817
Thank you for arranging to show the introductory video titled.

551
00:40:00,395 --> 00:40:10,037
Five ways to make homeless more affordable. You probably know

552
00:40:10,037 --> 00:40:17,309
someone who can't find a home they can afford. It

553
00:40:17,309 --> 00:40:19,869
wasn't always like this. And while we can argue and

554
00:40:19,869 --> 00:40:24,525
debate about what happened and didn't happen. Talking won't make

555
00:40:24,525 --> 00:40:28,245
affordable homes happen. So a bunch of us got together

556
00:40:28,245 --> 00:40:32,888
and found five. Ways that will. Number one. Gutting farmland

557
00:40:32,888 --> 00:40:36,528
and nature to build McMansions in places where you need

558
00:40:36,528 --> 00:40:40,088
two cars and have to install expensive infrastructure is not

559
00:40:40,088 --> 00:40:44,248
the answer. We need to build in the right places,

560
00:40:44,248 --> 00:40:48,968
affordable livable neighborhoods where people already live and want to

561
00:40:48,968 --> 00:40:52,048
live, and we already have enough ready to build room.

562
00:40:52,483 --> 00:40:56,483
Inside our towns and cities to do it. Number two,

563
00:40:56,483 --> 00:41:01,043
while everyone needs something different and affordable, too. Many of

564
00:41:01,043 --> 00:41:04,323
these are being built. We need to build a wide

565
00:41:04,323 --> 00:41:08,323
variety of housing types, low rise. Mid rise, not for

566
00:41:08,323 --> 00:41:14,904
profit, multi unit, multifamily, multibedroom. A multiplex of more affordable,

567
00:41:14,904 --> 00:41:20,355
appropriate options for every stage of life. Number three. The

568
00:41:20,355 --> 00:41:23,075
way most homes are built and the laws around building

569
00:41:23,075 --> 00:41:27,035
them are not built for affordability. Or speed. We need

570
00:41:27,035 --> 00:41:31,235
to build smarter and faster, like more wood frame and

571
00:41:31,235 --> 00:41:35,515
prefab panel. Homes and updating old rules like high rises

572
00:41:35,515 --> 00:41:39,355
needing parking for everyone. We can cut costs and time.

573
00:41:40,602 --> 00:41:46,458
With faster and smarter rules, approvals and building methods. Number

574
00:41:46,458 --> 00:41:51,777
four. For decades, our government's built and operated affordable nonmarket

575
00:41:51,777 --> 00:41:58,177
housing. Then affordable housing stopped going. Up, but rents didn't.

576
00:41:58,177 --> 00:42:02,057
We need to invest heavily in non market, affordable housing.

577
00:42:03,670 --> 00:42:07,150
And we is our governments builders will build it coops

578
00:42:07,150 --> 00:42:10,190
and other groups will run it, but. Our governments must

579
00:42:10,190 --> 00:42:14,270
invest in it because almost no one else is. Number

580
00:42:14,270 --> 00:42:18,270
five, we can't. Be hurrying like mad to approve and

581
00:42:18,270 --> 00:42:23,230
demolish and build without stopping to think about neighborhoods. We.

582
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,080
Need to make housing not just affordable, but part of

583
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:32,801
livable communities. Affordable deans building in the right places, building

584
00:42:32,801 --> 00:42:37,441
smarter and faster, and building more choices and more non

585
00:42:37,441 --> 00:42:44,608
market homes. While livable means building neighborhoods, close convenient communities

586
00:42:44,608 --> 00:42:49,542
that bring everything we need together, including each other. These

587
00:42:49,542 --> 00:42:53,403
are our five ways to affordability. But there's actually one

588
00:42:53,403 --> 00:42:59,411
more. We need everyone, governments, the private sector and nonprofit

589
00:42:59,411 --> 00:43:03,651
housing providers, to work together to fix this and we

590
00:43:03,651 --> 00:43:07,491
need you to tell your MPp that they've got five

591
00:43:07,491 --> 00:43:11,771
things to do to help everyone have an affordable, livable

592
00:43:11,771 --> 00:43:16,970
home. Now. Learn all that you can do at five

593
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:25,874
wayshome, Ca. At this point.

594
00:43:27,427 --> 00:43:31,636
We're at a crossroads. Sell. Houses are not selling in

595
00:43:31,636 --> 00:43:35,676
Seaton. We're not sure what the market is for. Housing

596
00:43:35,676 --> 00:43:41,863
and intensification in the downtown core. I think we really

597
00:43:41,863 --> 00:43:46,295
need to get everybody in one room. They mentioned various

598
00:43:46,295 --> 00:43:50,695
types of new construction methods. What happens if you put

599
00:43:50,695 --> 00:43:54,115
those. Construction methods in that some of the neighborhoods that

600
00:43:54,115 --> 00:43:57,115
haven't been started in the Satan area. What would the

601
00:43:57,115 --> 00:44:00,534
numbers be in the watch and report? I'm sorry to

602
00:44:00,534 --> 00:44:02,334
interrupt you, but you are at your five minutes, so

603
00:44:02,334 --> 00:44:04,734
I'm. Going to give you a little latitude with an

604
00:44:04,734 --> 00:44:07,454
extra 30 seconds to wrap up, and then there may

605
00:44:07,454 --> 00:44:12,545
be some questions from committee. I really do think that

606
00:44:12,545 --> 00:44:17,465
we should not race ahead with the official plan process

607
00:44:17,465 --> 00:44:20,545
as is requested. Effectively, if you look at your motion,

608
00:44:20,545 --> 00:44:27,847
they're asking you to endorse. The development in northeast Pickering?

609
00:44:27,847 --> 00:44:30,127
I don't think that's the answer. I don't. Think that's

610
00:44:30,127 --> 00:44:38,033
the least affordable housing. I would request that you have

611
00:44:38,033 --> 00:44:44,807
a 7th public information session that focuses on. The business

612
00:44:44,807 --> 00:44:50,639
community and. An 8th. Public information report at which the

613
00:44:50,639 --> 00:44:55,331
Watson report was published. Was discussed and questions and answers

614
00:44:55,331 --> 00:44:59,891
were presented and answered by the consultants. Thank you. You're

615
00:44:59,891 --> 00:45:04,954
welcome, Mr. Bamford. Questions from the committee. Thank you. Thank

616
00:45:04,954 --> 00:45:10,202
you, Mr. Bamford, for coming back. Interesting video. I quite

617
00:45:10,202 --> 00:45:14,173
enjoyed that, actually. Thanks for coming in tonight. We're going

618
00:45:14,173 --> 00:45:16,333
to move on to our next delegation, which is also

619
00:45:16,333 --> 00:45:21,653
a group delegation. It is item 3.4. The group is

620
00:45:21,653 --> 00:45:26,533
Nick and Elise Zamora who are presenting on behalf of

621
00:45:26,533 --> 00:45:32,563
Greenwood community association as Pickering residents. On PLN 1325, which

622
00:45:32,563 --> 00:45:37,577
is also the Northeast Pickering secondary plan. Good evening. Good

623
00:45:37,577 --> 00:45:41,111
evening. How are you? Oh, there we go. We got

624
00:45:41,111 --> 00:45:44,191
your presentation up, and you do have ten minutes to

625
00:45:44,191 --> 00:45:47,231
delegate together. You might go ahead. Thank you. And we

626
00:45:47,231 --> 00:45:50,631
also are delegating on, I think it's, 4.4 as well.

627
00:45:52,482 --> 00:45:55,602
We can jam it all together if you like. Yeah.

628
00:45:55,602 --> 00:45:58,442
Awesome. Thank you. You bet. So, thank you. Very much

629
00:45:58,442 --> 00:46:00,322
for giving us the time to speak with you again.

630
00:46:00,322 --> 00:46:04,606
We are here about a year. Ago. And just wanted

631
00:46:04,606 --> 00:46:08,677
to start with a statement. And somebody once said, once

632
00:46:08,677 --> 00:46:13,280
upon a time, there was a hamlet called Greenwood. But

633
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,259
this is something we don't want to hear. And we're

634
00:46:16,259 --> 00:46:21,202
hoping we're here today to talk about. Some recommendations that

635
00:46:21,202 --> 00:46:23,322
we hope will make sure that we don't hear that

636
00:46:23,322 --> 00:46:28,392
statement ever. So. It was about a year ago that

637
00:46:28,392 --> 00:46:31,792
we came to this group and we spoke about collaborating

638
00:46:31,792 --> 00:46:35,192
and engagement, and we're going to bring you an update

639
00:46:35,192 --> 00:46:37,672
on how that's gone, so. Far from a perspective of

640
00:46:37,672 --> 00:46:43,326
northeast pickering and from a perspective. Of Greenwood. The Greenwood

641
00:46:43,326 --> 00:46:46,006
community. So first off, you can go to the next

642
00:46:46,006 --> 00:46:50,981
slide, please. Growth should be balanced and for the better.

643
00:46:53,924 --> 00:46:56,604
We are committed as a community and we've been active

644
00:46:56,604 --> 00:47:03,588
in the Pickering official plan. At the public information. Engagement

645
00:47:03,588 --> 00:47:10,010
events. And in fact, I found them extremely informative and

646
00:47:10,010 --> 00:47:13,450
really appreciating meeting other residents. Of pickering and their input.

647
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:17,160
When we were here a year ago, we advocated for

648
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,440
growth that was sustainable, that it was affordable. For taxpayers.

649
00:47:21,688 --> 00:47:24,128
That we learned from past projects, that we learned from

650
00:47:24,128 --> 00:47:27,328
experts, that we take advantage of the gifts that Pickering

651
00:47:27,328 --> 00:47:33,005
has a natural and cultural heritage that we sustain. A

652
00:47:33,005 --> 00:47:39,245
balanced rural and urban lifestyle for current and future generations

653
00:47:39,245 --> 00:47:42,045
and that we are going to support. The existing but

654
00:47:42,045 --> 00:47:46,005
strained agricultural industry, hopefully, so that it is not so

655
00:47:46,005 --> 00:47:51,723
strained. We also believe that the northeast Pickering lands should

656
00:47:51,723 --> 00:47:56,003
stay agricultural, that that is an industry, that is worth

657
00:47:56,003 --> 00:47:59,123
growing, and there can be some very creative ways of

658
00:47:59,123 --> 00:48:02,283
doing that. But we also believe there is really no

659
00:48:02,283 --> 00:48:04,763
credible business case, and not one that we've seen yet

660
00:48:04,763 --> 00:48:09,754
to further expand. Land designation for development that would include

661
00:48:09,754 --> 00:48:14,074
northeast Pickering. And finally, we presented a vision that where

662
00:48:14,074 --> 00:48:18,634
Greenwood could play a role as Pickering's natural and cultural

663
00:48:18,634 --> 00:48:22,965
heritage hub. And at least do you want to kind

664
00:48:22,965 --> 00:48:24,965
of provide a bit of an update from the next

665
00:48:24,965 --> 00:48:32,531
slide for sure. There we go. Sorry. So, despite significant

666
00:48:32,531 --> 00:48:36,756
public feedback, The secondary plan for northeast Pickering is still

667
00:48:36,756 --> 00:48:39,716
being pushed forward without a sound business case and without

668
00:48:39,716 --> 00:48:43,775
community support. Let's be precise about what's happening. There's no

669
00:48:43,775 --> 00:48:47,935
financial analysis, nothing showing. Whether Pickering can even afford this.

670
00:48:47,935 --> 00:48:51,575
The entire plan is built upon a developer led vision.

671
00:48:51,575 --> 00:48:56,175
Bild scenario two a, not one. Guided by urban planning's

672
00:48:56,175 --> 00:49:00,015
best practices or public interest, it assumes we must urbanize

673
00:49:00,015 --> 00:49:03,422
northeast, pickering, to meet pop. Population targets, but that's not

674
00:49:03,422 --> 00:49:07,582
accurate. In fact, Pickering's own housing strategy says the opposite.

675
00:49:07,582 --> 00:49:11,462
Let me quote directly. There is sufficient capacity within existing

676
00:49:11,462 --> 00:49:15,302
designated greenfield areas and the built up area of Pickering

677
00:49:15,302 --> 00:49:18,982
to meet the city's population and housing needs to 2051.

678
00:49:20,444 --> 00:49:24,364
Without requiring the urbanization of northeast Pickering land that's from

679
00:49:24,364 --> 00:49:28,764
the city's housing strategy and action plan 2021 to 2031

680
00:49:28,764 --> 00:49:33,316
on page three. So the idea that northeast Pickering must

681
00:49:33,316 --> 00:49:36,596
be developed, it isn't supported by evidence. It's. A myth,

682
00:49:36,596 --> 00:49:38,636
and it's not in the data, and it's not in

683
00:49:38,636 --> 00:49:41,876
our collective interests. What the plan actually does is push

684
00:49:41,876 --> 00:49:46,716
35% to 60% of Pickering's growth into the greenfield zone.

685
00:49:46,716 --> 00:49:49,596
That would more than double the city's size in 25

686
00:49:49,596 --> 00:49:53,124
years. In a place without. Any preexisting infrastructure to support

687
00:49:53,124 --> 00:49:57,604
it and the cost, our natural and cultural heritage erased.

688
00:49:57,604 --> 00:50:01,164
Are groundwater, drinking water and flood mitigation put at risk,

689
00:50:01,164 --> 00:50:04,764
our wildlife and ecosystems destroyed or pushed into conflict with

690
00:50:04,764 --> 00:50:09,804
humans and our class one farmland bulldozed for warehouses filled

691
00:50:09,804 --> 00:50:13,914
with robots. Or high. Turnover rate jobs. And once these

692
00:50:13,914 --> 00:50:18,320
lands are gone, future generations can't get them back. Next

693
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,859
slide, please. So I threw up a couple of quotes,

694
00:50:21,859 --> 00:50:28,557
and hopefully the mayor recognizes these quotes. We're looking for

695
00:50:28,557 --> 00:50:34,518
true engagement. And these quotes indicate, obviously, that's everybody around

696
00:50:34,518 --> 00:50:38,967
here, everybody who's on this call. In this meeting, and

697
00:50:38,967 --> 00:50:41,847
I want to really emphasize some of the keywords. Building

698
00:50:41,847 --> 00:50:47,556
connections, sharing knowledge. And all in the favor of contributing

699
00:50:47,556 --> 00:50:51,364
to the city's success. Which is clearly a goal of

700
00:50:51,364 --> 00:50:56,890
the current official plan. And I particularly like. The quote

701
00:50:56,890 --> 00:51:00,410
around ratepayers associations that the residents get a chance to

702
00:51:00,410 --> 00:51:06,360
collaborate with its neighbors. Discuss local opportunities and challenges for

703
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,440
the community. And all for the sake of let's build.

704
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:15,183
A better future. For us. The Greenwood has resurrected its

705
00:51:15,183 --> 00:51:20,199
ratepayers association. Which is strong and has a healthy voice,

706
00:51:20,199 --> 00:51:23,768
and that's why we're here today. The next slide, please.

707
00:51:24,919 --> 00:51:28,876
Is. Providing what we think about when we think of

708
00:51:28,876 --> 00:51:34,830
collaboration. I'm stealing a bit from the best practices from

709
00:51:34,830 --> 00:51:40,120
the city of Hamilton, because. It had some really interesting

710
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,600
elements that I think might be useful in adapting the

711
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,171
current official plan. Process. Want to emphasize the fact that

712
00:51:48,171 --> 00:51:52,128
this is a four element process. On the bottom you

713
00:51:52,128 --> 00:51:57,408
have inform and then across you've got consult, involve, collaborate

714
00:51:57,408 --> 00:52:01,317
in the various stages. Of public engagement. Now, this is

715
00:52:01,317 --> 00:52:05,597
an overall model that was borrowed from the international association

716
00:52:05,597 --> 00:52:11,688
of public participation. It's a canadian chapter. And in each

717
00:52:11,688 --> 00:52:15,248
one of these, the city of Hamilton has made promises.

718
00:52:15,248 --> 00:52:19,305
And on the bottom, under inform. The promises are they

719
00:52:19,305 --> 00:52:23,545
will ensure that the citizens are aware and knowledgeable about

720
00:52:23,545 --> 00:52:28,231
the project. That you are able to provide input. And

721
00:52:28,231 --> 00:52:31,591
that you'll be aware of any decisions or recommendations that

722
00:52:31,591 --> 00:52:36,483
have been made. So this is about. A shared engagement.

723
00:52:38,408 --> 00:52:41,288
A sharing of information. When we look at the collaborate

724
00:52:41,288 --> 00:52:42,488
on the right, I'm going to go all the way

725
00:52:42,488 --> 00:52:46,641
to there and emphasize underneath the promise. The promise is

726
00:52:46,641 --> 00:52:49,801
that they will ask for our advice, which we see

727
00:52:49,801 --> 00:52:52,841
that and in those public engagements. That is awesome. That's

728
00:52:52,841 --> 00:52:57,476
happening. Our concern is what happens with that information. In

729
00:52:57,476 --> 00:53:01,076
Hamilton's promise, they incorporate. They will incorporate your advice into

730
00:53:01,076 --> 00:53:05,276
the project as much as possible, and they'll provide feedback

731
00:53:05,276 --> 00:53:08,436
to the citizens on how their advice was contributed to

732
00:53:08,436 --> 00:53:12,996
decisions and recommendations. So traceability, that's what I want to

733
00:53:12,996 --> 00:53:15,676
make sure. Because when it comes to change management. In

734
00:53:15,676 --> 00:53:18,874
fact, that's what this is about. Is understanding that future

735
00:53:18,874 --> 00:53:21,594
state and having a trust in the process and that

736
00:53:21,594 --> 00:53:25,367
level of engagement. Is really important, and I think there's

737
00:53:25,367 --> 00:53:27,127
the model and there's more details on the model, but

738
00:53:27,127 --> 00:53:29,367
I think those are the key elements that we would

739
00:53:29,367 --> 00:53:32,887
really encourage the city to think about adding next slide,

740
00:53:32,887 --> 00:53:37,199
please. So the other is. Of course, I talk about

741
00:53:37,199 --> 00:53:44,052
the trusted process. The city council here was brought into

742
00:53:44,052 --> 00:53:47,492
was voted in by citizens because of your abilities, integrity

743
00:53:47,492 --> 00:53:52,901
and character. What does that mean for us as citizens?

744
00:53:52,901 --> 00:53:57,350
That means we're looking for. An authentic and transparent and

745
00:53:57,350 --> 00:54:00,830
a reliable process and engagement. And if I zero in

746
00:54:00,830 --> 00:54:05,950
on transparency, this is about sharing information openly and candidly,

747
00:54:05,950 --> 00:54:10,741
that. There are not unrecognizable processes that make their way

748
00:54:10,741 --> 00:54:15,788
on or off. The planning process, that there is regular

749
00:54:15,788 --> 00:54:21,721
constructive feedback that is actionable. That there is an encouragement

750
00:54:21,721 --> 00:54:25,481
of open dialogue, where ideas are generated by citizens, but

751
00:54:25,481 --> 00:54:29,127
they're not wasted and thrown away. And on a reliability.

752
00:54:30,457 --> 00:54:32,457
It's really just as plain as it says there. Walk

753
00:54:32,457 --> 00:54:36,377
the talk. It's about when commitments are made and talked

754
00:54:36,377 --> 00:54:39,057
about, their follow through on that expertise is used when

755
00:54:39,057 --> 00:54:45,404
decisions are made. And that ultimately the future. Is all

756
00:54:45,404 --> 00:54:48,444
about the citizens and where we're going, and not just

757
00:54:48,444 --> 00:54:51,404
about if the developers are able to bring some money

758
00:54:51,404 --> 00:54:53,884
to the table or they've got an agenda on their

759
00:54:53,884 --> 00:54:57,679
own. Some sort of urgency. So if we flip to

760
00:54:57,679 --> 00:55:03,845
the next slide. Excellent. So we're here tonight because Greenwood

761
00:55:03,845 --> 00:55:07,365
is at the front lines of these decisions, and. Frankly,

762
00:55:07,365 --> 00:55:10,285
right now we're uncertain about our future. This is our

763
00:55:10,285 --> 00:55:13,965
current experience. Yes, we have had kind and productive meetings

764
00:55:13,965 --> 00:55:15,685
with the mayor and the city staff, and it was

765
00:55:15,685 --> 00:55:22,024
a good start. But still no action has followed. The

766
00:55:22,024 --> 00:55:25,104
loss of our postal code during the pandemic hurt deeply.

767
00:55:25,104 --> 00:55:28,864
And now another Greenwood community is being created right next

768
00:55:28,864 --> 00:55:32,424
to us without any consent or any. Connection to our

769
00:55:32,424 --> 00:55:36,304
hamlet. We even lost the hamlet designation in a recent

770
00:55:36,304 --> 00:55:40,739
zoning bylaw. Quietly and without any real. Discussion the Greenwood

771
00:55:40,739 --> 00:55:44,459
Community center is being demolished with no plan to replace

772
00:55:44,459 --> 00:55:47,019
it, and it was the heart of our community. The

773
00:55:47,019 --> 00:55:50,739
new Pickering Heritage and community center, instead of supporting Greenwood,

774
00:55:50,739 --> 00:55:54,299
treats us like any other applicant. There's no special consideration

775
00:55:54,299 --> 00:55:57,379
for our historic groups like karate Club or the weavers

776
00:55:57,379 --> 00:56:00,464
who serve the city for over 50 years. We've heard

777
00:56:00,464 --> 00:56:03,024
that the word heritage may even be removed from the

778
00:56:03,024 --> 00:56:07,024
name and replaced with Dorsey and our proposal to become

779
00:56:07,024 --> 00:56:10,664
Pickering's heritage hub. It's still not acknowledged. Not embraced, but

780
00:56:10,664 --> 00:56:13,913
we are looking forward to picking it up. We're not

781
00:56:13,913 --> 00:56:16,713
exaggerating when we say that the dismantling of a thriving

782
00:56:16,713 --> 00:56:21,233
community feels to be in full swing. Next slide, please.

783
00:56:22,476 --> 00:56:30,326
So, in summary, We're looking for. An authentic and collaborative

784
00:56:30,326 --> 00:56:34,615
engagement process. Hoping to kind of see that commitment to

785
00:56:34,615 --> 00:56:39,742
promises on both sides. Being transparent. And providing and having

786
00:56:39,742 --> 00:56:44,049
an even playing field. Being reliable so that when commitments

787
00:56:44,049 --> 00:56:47,915
are made that they're followed through on. And ultimately that

788
00:56:47,915 --> 00:56:50,755
citizens, when they come up with their ideas that they

789
00:56:50,755 --> 00:56:54,075
see them, they see them. In the plans, and if

790
00:56:54,075 --> 00:56:57,195
there's an adjustment, then we understand why they've been adjusted

791
00:56:57,195 --> 00:56:59,635
that best practices and business cases are going to be

792
00:56:59,635 --> 00:57:03,289
used as we move forward in our planning. And that

793
00:57:03,289 --> 00:57:06,409
there is accountability, which means, as I said, back to

794
00:57:06,409 --> 00:57:10,129
the financials, because that's, a big concern of all citizens

795
00:57:10,129 --> 00:57:13,569
that we take advantage of Pickering's gifts. We spoke about

796
00:57:13,569 --> 00:57:16,729
the urban and rural balance. It's there. The farmland, the

797
00:57:16,729 --> 00:57:21,456
amazing history of natural heritage. And ultimately the energy. We

798
00:57:21,456 --> 00:57:26,348
don't have. The citizens. Of the city. We're not being

799
00:57:26,348 --> 00:57:29,108
paid to do these things. It's because we love where

800
00:57:29,108 --> 00:57:31,148
we live, and we want to see it be even

801
00:57:31,148 --> 00:57:33,788
better as we move forward, so that kind of commitment,

802
00:57:33,788 --> 00:57:38,226
taking advantage of things and of our energy. We're hoping.

803
00:57:39,157 --> 00:57:42,748
Will be utilized, but not wasted. Next slide.

804
00:57:49,248 --> 00:57:53,088
Let's end with questions not regarding dialogue, but for commitments.

805
00:57:56,305 --> 00:57:58,225
What promises can you make to us tonight? Will you

806
00:57:58,225 --> 00:58:01,825
commit to a collaborative, evidence based process for this growth

807
00:58:01,825 --> 00:58:05,905
strategy and the official plan, will you ensure development happens

808
00:58:05,905 --> 00:58:08,625
in the right places in the right way and in

809
00:58:08,625 --> 00:58:14,095
the right order, with financial implications fully accounted for. Will

810
00:58:14,095 --> 00:58:17,575
you support a phasing strategy for the Northeast, Pickering? One

811
00:58:17,575 --> 00:58:21,935
that's guided by. Actual research and fiscal analysis as recommended

812
00:58:21,935 --> 00:58:26,538
on page 137 of the growth strategy itself. Will you

813
00:58:26,538 --> 00:58:30,018
support our collaborative engagement with the planning department to develop

814
00:58:30,018 --> 00:58:34,178
and incorporate shared ideas? We're not here to resist change.

815
00:58:34,178 --> 00:58:36,578
We are here to help shape it and to ensure

816
00:58:36,578 --> 00:58:39,778
that change reflects both our values and our commitments. Long

817
00:58:39,778 --> 00:58:43,164
term well being. We want the community to do well.

818
00:58:43,164 --> 00:58:46,844
We want in, and let's get this right together. Thank

819
00:58:46,844 --> 00:58:56,188
you. Questions. All of the above, right? I just want

820
00:58:56,188 --> 00:58:59,548
to make sure that you didn't have a second presentation

821
00:58:59,548 --> 00:59:04,256
since. We joined the ten minute. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. Fantastic.

822
00:59:04,256 --> 00:59:07,296
Well done. I'm going to open the floor for both

823
00:59:07,296 --> 00:59:10,376
of you to take questions from committee, if anyone would

824
00:59:10,376 --> 00:59:17,884
like. To chime in. Mr. Pickles, please. Go ahead, councilor.

825
00:59:17,884 --> 00:59:26,594
Thanks for the presentation. And. There has been. A number

826
00:59:26,594 --> 00:59:29,237
of. Public opportunities. I know you've been out to a

827
00:59:29,237 --> 00:59:32,077
couple of them yourselves, and I was. Out to unfairly

828
00:59:32,077 --> 00:59:36,259
recently at the Greenwood Community Center. So have you been

829
00:59:36,259 --> 00:59:40,327
engaged in all of those, and are you advising. You've

830
00:59:40,327 --> 00:59:42,127
had at least one person from Greenwood at every single

831
00:59:42,127 --> 00:59:44,327
one of the meetings, okay? So that's good. So you're

832
00:59:44,327 --> 00:59:50,627
participating in the many public opportunities that's. Good. So you

833
00:59:50,627 --> 00:59:56,369
spoke about the community center in Greenwood. Being torn down

834
00:59:56,369 --> 00:59:58,809
and not replaced. But then in your next point, you

835
00:59:58,809 --> 01:00:05,667
spoke to. The Pickering Heritage and Community Center. So that

836
01:00:05,667 --> 01:00:11,352
has a lot more amenities, public amenities. Than the aged

837
01:00:11,352 --> 01:00:18,287
and. Unaccessible. Greenwood Community center, so I'm not sure. Where

838
01:00:18,287 --> 01:00:21,327
you're having concern that one is being removed and not

839
01:00:21,327 --> 01:00:23,927
being replaced because there is a brand new community center

840
01:00:23,927 --> 01:00:26,447
built. That seems to be the misconception we've heard. From

841
01:00:26,447 --> 01:00:29,727
a number of people. When people from Greenwood have discussed

842
01:00:29,727 --> 01:00:34,492
it seems to be like people think that building. As

843
01:00:34,492 --> 01:00:37,972
I mentioned, at that point, there's been no designation for

844
01:00:37,972 --> 01:00:41,452
anything to actually be available. To support our community and

845
01:00:41,452 --> 01:00:43,932
to replace what the building is doing for us right

846
01:00:43,932 --> 01:00:51,998
now. Right now. It has permanent space for the weaving.

847
01:00:53,539 --> 01:00:56,979
Infrastructure, their looms. We have full access for all of

848
01:00:56,979 --> 01:01:02,280
our community events. People regularly use it. So all of

849
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,200
the space and availability and anything we use it for

850
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:11,831
now is actually not being replaced. And to clarify. We've

851
01:01:11,831 --> 01:01:15,905
put in a request. For time and events, and we're

852
01:01:15,905 --> 01:01:20,842
waiting to hear back on those things. But. As we

853
01:01:20,842 --> 01:01:24,202
say, that community center is used on a regular basis

854
01:01:24,202 --> 01:01:26,482
for so many things, ad hoc. And it has a

855
01:01:26,482 --> 01:01:29,720
long history. And we've spoken about the fact that we

856
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:34,077
have, we do. I can list them all if you'd

857
01:01:34,077 --> 01:01:39,989
like. Talk about the scouting. The regular hockey rink that

858
01:01:39,989 --> 01:01:44,229
we have the ability to host events and to cook

859
01:01:44,229 --> 01:01:48,798
food. To have our own activities. It's a building that.

860
01:01:50,284 --> 01:01:55,127
We're able. To raise money for the Pickering Rec association.

861
01:01:55,127 --> 01:01:58,727
So those meetings have come on, but we've. Talked about

862
01:01:58,727 --> 01:02:02,487
a replacement building that doesn't look exactly like that, but

863
01:02:02,487 --> 01:02:04,687
something that allows us to do some of these events.

864
01:02:06,170 --> 01:02:08,822
But. We've had this. We've said this over and over

865
01:02:08,822 --> 01:02:12,801
again. It is not a replacement. For groups like the

866
01:02:12,801 --> 01:02:18,119
weavers. We cannot. There's no commitment. Around hockey and other

867
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:21,585
activities, et cetera. We can go on. But there's no

868
01:02:21,585 --> 01:02:25,385
commitment as like a discrete community for agreement about that

869
01:02:25,385 --> 01:02:28,185
building itself. But. I will say there will be a

870
01:02:28,185 --> 01:02:32,103
lot more. Community amenities and use in the new building.

871
01:02:32,103 --> 01:02:36,543
We'll sort that out with staff as that comes along.

872
01:02:36,543 --> 01:02:39,063
The weavers we spoke to, and I know the mayor

873
01:02:39,063 --> 01:02:42,303
spoke to a number of times. The issue is they

874
01:02:42,303 --> 01:02:46,663
need a large, dedicated space for the looms. If I

875
01:02:46,663 --> 01:02:50,393
got the word, right? Which we just can't take up

876
01:02:50,393 --> 01:02:52,753
in a new facility because it can be used for.

877
01:02:52,753 --> 01:02:55,673
So many other people. But anyway, let's keep the dialogue

878
01:02:55,673 --> 01:02:59,513
going. You're coming to? Public meetings. We are working with

879
01:02:59,513 --> 01:03:04,295
staff about the use of. The. Community center. And thanks

880
01:03:04,295 --> 01:03:09,175
for coming out tonight. And I'm sure. Staff will have

881
01:03:09,175 --> 01:03:12,255
more to say as we get to the item itself.

882
01:03:12,255 --> 01:03:16,511
So thank you very much. Thank you. Anyone else in

883
01:03:16,511 --> 01:03:20,871
the committee have a question? Councilor Robinson? Thank you very

884
01:03:20,871 --> 01:03:23,671
much, Madam Sheriff. That was a great presentation. Thank you,

885
01:03:23,671 --> 01:03:27,191
guys. Thank you. Just quickly. How many people are coming

886
01:03:27,191 --> 01:03:31,477
out and participating at these meetings that you've had? It

887
01:03:31,477 --> 01:03:39,112
depends on which ones. Typically. When we have our. Greenwood

888
01:03:39,112 --> 01:03:46,361
Community association meetings anywhere from 50 to 40 people. That's

889
01:03:46,361 --> 01:03:50,361
a pretty good turnout. That's impressive. Very impressive. And I

890
01:03:50,361 --> 01:03:54,939
have another question. Why do you believe that this plan

891
01:03:54,939 --> 01:03:58,379
is reflecting vision of developers rather than the will of

892
01:03:58,379 --> 01:04:03,925
the people. I believe you had said that. You see

893
01:04:03,925 --> 01:04:09,107
us being a developer's vision? Because. When we looked at.

894
01:04:10,019 --> 01:04:15,074
Any plan that's been submitted. It was actually through. The

895
01:04:15,074 --> 01:04:17,634
developers. They proposed the plan and then had three to

896
01:04:17,634 --> 01:04:25,687
pick from. Even the person on staff who. Was actually,

897
01:04:25,687 --> 01:04:29,127
I think half or majority of his salary was also

898
01:04:29,127 --> 01:04:31,807
paid by the developers. Well, I'm going to say that

899
01:04:31,807 --> 01:04:35,327
specifically. You're going to hear that coming up, probably because

900
01:04:35,327 --> 01:04:37,887
as we indicated, there's a history of the back and

901
01:04:37,887 --> 01:04:40,367
forth between, and it did feel like a bit of

902
01:04:40,367 --> 01:04:44,567
a shell game between the region and the city, and

903
01:04:44,567 --> 01:04:48,561
there were Dec. Decisions. And the decision at one point

904
01:04:48,561 --> 01:04:51,721
was to go to not include northeast Pickering and then

905
01:04:51,721 --> 01:04:53,441
all of a sudden there's a new plan that's put

906
01:04:53,441 --> 01:04:58,087
on the table that's put on. By planners, and it

907
01:04:58,087 --> 01:05:02,483
didn't go through. A process like we're going through now

908
01:05:02,483 --> 01:05:06,972
to have it evaluated by the community and. That's actually

909
01:05:06,972 --> 01:05:11,172
the process at one that the regional council agreed to

910
01:05:11,172 --> 01:05:14,932
the brand new plan. That showed up. And that's the

911
01:05:14,932 --> 01:05:19,559
thing that kind of provides a traceability around that. And.

912
01:05:21,165 --> 01:05:24,906
It certainly hasn't. I haven't seen it been included. In

913
01:05:24,906 --> 01:05:27,466
this particular process where the community could weigh in and

914
01:05:27,466 --> 01:05:30,506
say, does that make sense? And that's why we're really

915
01:05:30,506 --> 01:05:35,318
emphasizing the fact that thinking about. Is that necessary? Right

916
01:05:35,318 --> 01:05:39,118
now is really important because we haven't really even asked

917
01:05:39,118 --> 01:05:43,170
citizens. All right. Thank you very much for those. I

918
01:05:43,170 --> 01:05:45,450
really appreciate the two of you being here today. And

919
01:05:45,450 --> 01:05:49,967
thank you for your insight. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you,

920
01:05:49,967 --> 01:05:55,221
Councilor Robinson. Anyone else in committee? If not, I do

921
01:05:55,221 --> 01:06:00,957
have one question myself. Just one of the. Final summary

922
01:06:00,957 --> 01:06:03,197
points that you also had brought up in your presentation,

923
01:06:03,197 --> 01:06:08,296
which I echo. My fellows, I thought was excellent. You

924
01:06:08,296 --> 01:06:11,847
did have one line in there. About the naming convention

925
01:06:11,847 --> 01:06:18,436
for PHCC changing to include. In our last councils. That,

926
01:06:18,436 --> 01:06:21,993
actually. Was defeated and the question was sent back to

927
01:06:21,993 --> 01:06:27,405
staff to refer that back for. Additional naming inclusions and.

928
01:06:29,534 --> 01:06:32,494
We did push to have the word heritage put back

929
01:06:32,494 --> 01:06:36,134
in there, so that will be coming back. Before council

930
01:06:36,134 --> 01:06:39,995
at the end of the month with some additional. Name

931
01:06:39,995 --> 01:06:42,915
recommendations being brought before council. I'm not sure if you

932
01:06:42,915 --> 01:06:47,176
were aware of that. No. Does that mean that that

933
01:06:47,176 --> 01:06:49,696
issue is gone, or does it mean it just will

934
01:06:49,696 --> 01:06:52,816
come back? Again, a number of us on council flag

935
01:06:52,816 --> 01:06:55,953
that as being an issue for us as well. We

936
01:06:55,953 --> 01:06:59,970
have called it thcc. And a naming request was changed

937
01:06:59,970 --> 01:07:04,467
because we did ask our staff to undertake. An exercise

938
01:07:04,467 --> 01:07:07,227
on naming rights for our facilities, so it was well

939
01:07:07,227 --> 01:07:11,521
within their purview to do that. It just wasn't sitting

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01:07:11,521 --> 01:07:13,281
right with me personally and some of the other members

941
01:07:13,281 --> 01:07:15,361
of council. That we didn't have the name quite right,

942
01:07:15,361 --> 01:07:18,721
so quite confident staff will come back with some options

943
01:07:18,721 --> 01:07:23,050
for us that. People feel. We've heard you, and that

944
01:07:23,050 --> 01:07:27,245
will be included. Great. Thanks. I have a quick question,

945
01:07:27,245 --> 01:07:31,337
sort of a follow up. The fact that. We indicated

946
01:07:31,337 --> 01:07:36,221
that. There is another community that's been called Greenwood. That

947
01:07:36,221 --> 01:07:38,981
is serious. Is there any reaction to that? Any thoughts

948
01:07:38,981 --> 01:07:44,155
on that? Any advice on that? So as chair. This

949
01:07:44,155 --> 01:07:47,595
is not generally back and forth on debate with questions

950
01:07:47,595 --> 01:07:50,968
from a delegate back to council. What we can do

951
01:07:50,968 --> 01:07:53,448
is if anyone else on council who hasn't spoken would

952
01:07:53,448 --> 01:07:57,082
like to. Ask that question back. But there's no staff

953
01:07:57,082 --> 01:08:01,762
involvement at this point. So what you could also do

954
01:08:01,762 --> 01:08:07,331
is submit that question directly. Back. To any of us

955
01:08:07,331 --> 01:08:10,011
on council, and we can have staff direct that and

956
01:08:10,011 --> 01:08:14,783
answer that question. Thank you. Thanks. Sense. Okay. Nice to

957
01:08:14,783 --> 01:08:17,023
see you both. Thank you for coming back. We appreciate

958
01:08:17,023 --> 01:08:22,649
your community involvement in representing Greenwood. And. We are going

959
01:08:22,649 --> 01:08:24,529
to move on to our next delegate, who's also staying.

960
01:08:26,355 --> 01:08:29,595
On northeast Pickering secondary plan. We are going to welcome

961
01:08:29,595 --> 01:08:35,054
James Blair, Pickering resident. Good evening, Mr. Blair. As soon

962
01:08:35,054 --> 01:08:36,654
as I see you pop up on my screen here.

963
01:08:38,306 --> 01:08:41,146
You will also have five minutes with which to delegate.

964
01:08:41,146 --> 01:08:45,434
There we go. We're getting your presentation ready. Good. We're

965
01:08:45,434 --> 01:08:51,541
good to go. All right, Mr. Blair, you do have

966
01:08:51,541 --> 01:09:01,534
five minutes to begin your delegation. Do you want

967
01:09:01,534 --> 01:09:03,734
to let him know that we can't hear him? Yep.

968
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,840
There we go. Now we've got. Thank you very much,

969
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:17,455
councilor. Cook and assembled. Okay. Thank you. Yeah, I'll get

970
01:09:17,455 --> 01:09:19,135
directly into it. This is in regards to northeast Petra

971
01:09:19,135 --> 01:09:22,655
and I'm. Concerned about the agricultural impact assessment itself. I've

972
01:09:22,655 --> 01:09:25,095
just thrown together a quick slide here. To keep the

973
01:09:25,095 --> 01:09:28,295
points concise, the idea of getting it right, because I

974
01:09:28,295 --> 01:09:31,015
do truly believe we will not have a second chance

975
01:09:31,015 --> 01:09:33,775
here in the city of Pickering if we allow what

976
01:09:33,775 --> 01:09:37,772
is going on or to take phase. In the east

977
01:09:37,772 --> 01:09:41,962
side of Pickering. It's going to metastasize itself across the

978
01:09:41,962 --> 01:09:44,402
whole official plan. That's my concern. So if we go

979
01:09:44,402 --> 01:09:49,122
to the second slide, please. Andrew, these are some key

980
01:09:49,122 --> 01:09:52,243
things that I pulled out. Of the plan, and I

981
01:09:52,243 --> 01:09:55,243
was quite concerned by the two indications that I put

982
01:09:55,243 --> 01:09:58,083
in red. I would wonder if there's somebody at some

983
01:09:58,083 --> 01:10:01,843
point either on council there or city staff, that you

984
01:10:01,843 --> 01:10:05,763
have that could provide any indication. What are the layman's

985
01:10:05,763 --> 01:10:09,163
terms of these two? Points in red, I'm concerned. It

986
01:10:09,163 --> 01:10:13,376
basically suggests that. If I'm reading this, as I believe

987
01:10:13,376 --> 01:10:16,616
it is, that there is not much we can do

988
01:10:16,616 --> 01:10:20,416
to put agriculture not at the second step, opposed to

989
01:10:20,416 --> 01:10:23,536
building. And I see that as a very big concern.

990
01:10:23,536 --> 01:10:27,852
And it mentions here. The second one in red. Future

991
01:10:27,852 --> 01:10:30,732
developments. We need to consider the mitigating impacts on agriculture.

992
01:10:30,732 --> 01:10:36,279
Not the impact of agriculture on community development. And so

993
01:10:36,279 --> 01:10:39,955
I see that. And again, I would appreciate. Having a

994
01:10:39,955 --> 01:10:41,875
bit more insight onto this slide, or specifically those two

995
01:10:41,875 --> 01:10:44,075
points. Andy, could I ask you. To move to the

996
01:10:44,075 --> 01:10:46,315
second slide as well. Or the third slide. Pardon me?

997
01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:52,400
In a recent town hall meeting that you folks had

998
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:59,393
to engage the public. There is a question that it

999
01:10:59,393 --> 01:11:03,073
seemingly through this report, still is not answered. In the

1000
01:11:03,073 --> 01:11:06,713
spring of 2023, 200 participants showed up as reaper. So

1001
01:11:06,713 --> 01:11:09,393
this is what we heard. We need to engage directly

1002
01:11:09,393 --> 01:11:12,953
with farmers in agriculture. Communities support small and large scale

1003
01:11:12,953 --> 01:11:18,344
operations. Integrate opportunities such as ecotourism. Education. That stuff is

1004
01:11:18,344 --> 01:11:22,608
great. But what is some of these engagements? I've. In

1005
01:11:22,608 --> 01:11:24,688
the last two and a half weeks, I've taken a

1006
01:11:24,688 --> 01:11:28,048
task to connect with as many scaled farmers as I

1007
01:11:28,048 --> 01:11:34,289
can. And. I have not got one farmer. Specifically farming

1008
01:11:34,289 --> 01:11:36,969
families that have been in the areas for, I would

1009
01:11:36,969 --> 01:11:40,609
say, two to three generations. Nobody can actually give me

1010
01:11:40,609 --> 01:11:43,089
a direct time and date that the city of kickering

1011
01:11:43,089 --> 01:11:45,809
has ever reached. Out to them to ask what can

1012
01:11:45,809 --> 01:11:48,249
we do to help? And as I said here, what

1013
01:11:48,249 --> 01:11:52,049
type of support is being rendered to the agricultural community.

1014
01:11:52,049 --> 01:11:56,930
So I find it concerning. That in 2023 we are

1015
01:11:56,930 --> 01:12:00,111
asking these questions. You'll see in one of the last

1016
01:12:00,111 --> 01:12:02,591
slides here. I've been kind of kicking. At this can

1017
01:12:02,591 --> 01:12:08,607
since 2009 2010. And nothing seems to be developing. If

1018
01:12:08,607 --> 01:12:11,327
in many ways it's actually getting worse, Andrew, can I

1019
01:12:11,327 --> 01:12:14,567
ask you to move to the next slide, please. So.

1020
01:12:16,389 --> 01:12:18,458
In the discussion. We are looking at. What are the

1021
01:12:18,458 --> 01:12:22,178
big ideas here? And again, there's a lot of talk,

1022
01:12:22,178 --> 01:12:26,234
and I would like to appreciate. Or mention my appreciation.

1023
01:12:27,438 --> 01:12:30,586
To the previous folks. They really hit the issue here.

1024
01:12:32,331 --> 01:12:34,851
Where is the metrics that something is actually taking place

1025
01:12:34,851 --> 01:12:37,851
here and the people that are putting forward ideas and

1026
01:12:37,851 --> 01:12:41,091
where concerns are actually being listened to. And there's some

1027
01:12:41,091 --> 01:12:45,371
type of substantial steps being put into practice where people

1028
01:12:45,371 --> 01:12:49,076
can see, okay? I see the work here. So I

1029
01:12:49,076 --> 01:12:52,716
would ask again, where are we with this? They're asking

1030
01:12:52,716 --> 01:12:56,859
here in 2023. That we need to get buy in

1031
01:12:56,859 --> 01:12:59,499
from active farmers. I'll ask for the next slide. Andy,

1032
01:12:59,499 --> 01:13:07,541
please. So. Going through. And again, here's a specific issue.

1033
01:13:09,114 --> 01:13:12,434
Talking about food security, maintain farmlands, the need for buffer,

1034
01:13:12,434 --> 01:13:16,574
distance in speaking with farmers. Which I found really interesting.

1035
01:13:17,905 --> 01:13:20,265
They've mentioned about the road allowances. They mentioned about the

1036
01:13:20,265 --> 01:13:24,171
equipment they need to move. They've mentioned about trees. Road

1037
01:13:24,171 --> 01:13:27,531
signage is actually being put in agricultural communities which actually

1038
01:13:27,531 --> 01:13:31,811
inhibit them using certain roads with their machinery because they

1039
01:13:31,811 --> 01:13:34,451
can't occupy the whole road. They can't move it to

1040
01:13:34,451 --> 01:13:38,571
the side and specifically with sprayers, combines and multi use

1041
01:13:38,571 --> 01:13:42,818
equipment. They're running, basically the possibility of knocking down signs,

1042
01:13:42,818 --> 01:13:45,378
which they're not interested in. Damaging their equipment and or

1043
01:13:45,378 --> 01:13:49,590
destroying public property. The last thing I would go to

1044
01:13:49,590 --> 01:13:52,510
say here, this whole, I think it was 670 some

1045
01:13:52,510 --> 01:13:57,230
page. Report or, sorry, 685 that I have noted here.

1046
01:13:57,230 --> 01:14:01,670
There was less than one full page dedicated. To agriculture

1047
01:14:01,670 --> 01:14:05,110
if we took out the two graphs, which you'll see

1048
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:07,814
in the next slide. Is kind of interesting. It actually

1049
01:14:07,814 --> 01:14:10,974
speaks here. How? A special comment that I've had rated

1050
01:14:10,974 --> 01:14:15,654
the interest in specific consulting with existing communities, especially those

1051
01:14:15,654 --> 01:14:20,701
agriculture or in the food production area. Again, I don't

1052
01:14:20,701 --> 01:14:22,781
know and or who has been consultant. If we go

1053
01:14:22,781 --> 01:14:26,061
to the next side. Andy and Mr. Blair, you are

1054
01:14:26,061 --> 01:14:29,061
at your five minutes. Okay, I'll finish off with this.

1055
01:14:29,061 --> 01:14:34,730
One if it's possible. There is a concern. That what

1056
01:14:34,730 --> 01:14:38,895
is taking place here and. Who is actually listening to

1057
01:14:38,895 --> 01:14:44,480
who's being talked to. My main issue is. What is

1058
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:48,080
actually happening in the city of Pifring and northeast pippering

1059
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,840
that's? Going to set a template that is going to

1060
01:14:50,840 --> 01:14:53,280
roll to the west. That's my concern. Thank you, Ms.

1061
01:14:53,280 --> 01:15:01,073
Cook. You are welcome, Mr. Blair. Questions committee of the

1062
01:15:01,073 --> 01:15:05,301
delegate. Seeing none. I will. Thank you, Mr. Blair, for

1063
01:15:05,301 --> 01:15:11,148
your delegation. You're welcome. Have a good evening. You too.

1064
01:15:11,148 --> 01:15:14,679
Thank you for showing up. We will move on to

1065
01:15:14,679 --> 01:15:18,479
our next delegate, 3.7, which is Mr. Abdul Lamir Pickering.

1066
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:24,519
Reset. Speaking as well. To report PLN 1625, which is

1067
01:15:24,519 --> 01:15:28,359
the Pickering official plan review, project update and completed growth

1068
01:15:28,359 --> 01:15:31,559
management study. Good evening, Abdullah. I'm just going to make

1069
01:15:31,559 --> 01:15:36,192
sure. You can hear us and see us. I can

1070
01:15:36,192 --> 01:15:41,043
hear you. Fantastic. And you have no presentation, correct. I

1071
01:15:41,043 --> 01:15:45,046
am the presentation. Well with that, Abdullah, welcome back to

1072
01:15:45,046 --> 01:15:50,728
our chambers. And you have five minutes. Thank you. My

1073
01:15:50,728 --> 01:15:52,808
name is Abdul Lamir. As you mentioned, I'm a resident

1074
01:15:52,808 --> 01:15:55,888
of ward. One pickering and the co chair of Stopspirl

1075
01:15:55,888 --> 01:16:01,388
Durham, a city planning advocacy organization here. Tonight representing myself

1076
01:16:01,388 --> 01:16:04,868
and over 2000 residents across Durham region through stop Sprol

1077
01:16:04,868 --> 01:16:07,868
Durham. Now, I did want to talk about. Report pLN

1078
01:16:07,868 --> 01:16:13,738
1625. Specifically, I was disappointed reading this report. Because I

1079
01:16:13,738 --> 01:16:18,138
feel that this report really singularly focuses on northeast Pickering

1080
01:16:18,138 --> 01:16:20,938
as the end all be all of all, future development.

1081
01:16:20,938 --> 01:16:24,578
And pickering, when we know that is not necessarily the

1082
01:16:24,578 --> 01:16:27,498
case, the population of Pickering is projected to go from

1083
01:16:27,498 --> 01:16:32,018
approximately 100,000 people right now to just over 250,000. People

1084
01:16:32,018 --> 01:16:34,887
by 2000 and. 51 so, of course, we need to

1085
01:16:34,887 --> 01:16:38,567
build more. We need more development to accommodate that growth.

1086
01:16:38,567 --> 01:16:41,647
But it must be done in a responsible and sustainable

1087
01:16:41,647 --> 01:16:46,323
way. Development in northeast Pickering is a bad idea. For

1088
01:16:46,323 --> 01:16:50,923
three main reasons. Number one, developing northeast. Pickering is a

1089
01:16:50,923 --> 01:16:55,243
textbook example of urban sprawl. Which is low density, car

1090
01:16:55,243 --> 01:16:59,403
dependent spread of housing and commercial uses into undeveloped fringe

1091
01:16:59,403 --> 01:17:03,083
areas beyond the urban boundary. These lands are far from

1092
01:17:03,083 --> 01:17:06,593
the urban center and pardon the colloquialism, these. Lands are

1093
01:17:06,593 --> 01:17:09,970
really in the middle of nowhere. Sprawl paves over farmland.

1094
01:17:09,970 --> 01:17:13,930
An ecosystem drives up traffic and greenhouse gas emissions, and

1095
01:17:13,930 --> 01:17:19,107
most critically. Leaves municipalities with costly roads, pipes and services

1096
01:17:19,107 --> 01:17:22,747
that outstrip the tax base. I fear that development into

1097
01:17:22,747 --> 01:17:26,747
Northeast pick ring will result in a significant unnecessary and

1098
01:17:26,747 --> 01:17:30,267
unfair tax burden for the people of Pickering and Durham.

1099
01:17:30,267 --> 01:17:35,427
Region number two. The Northeast Pickering lands are on declutters

1100
01:17:35,427 --> 01:17:39,949
creek. Headwaters and watershed. A watershed is an area that's

1101
01:17:39,949 --> 01:17:43,389
drained by a river and its tributaries. Healthy watersheds, support

1102
01:17:43,389 --> 01:17:48,549
biodiversity, reduced flooding, protect water quality and sustained drinking water

1103
01:17:48,549 --> 01:17:52,619
sources. Development on the watershed. And particularly in this case,

1104
01:17:52,619 --> 01:17:56,099
the headwaters of Cruthers Creek, which are underneath and adjacent

1105
01:17:56,099 --> 01:17:59,619
to the northeast bickering lens will result in flooding in

1106
01:17:59,619 --> 01:18:03,939
downstream Ajax and possibly in Pickering, according to the 2021

1107
01:18:03,939 --> 01:18:09,441
Toronto Region Conservation Authority Watershed study. And number three, perhaps

1108
01:18:09,441 --> 01:18:13,755
the most compelling reason. That development in northeast Pickering is

1109
01:18:13,755 --> 01:18:18,155
not a good idea is that it is wholly unnecessary.

1110
01:18:18,155 --> 01:18:20,355
We have enough land to meet our targets. Pickering can

1111
01:18:20,355 --> 01:18:24,115
meet its 50 51 growth targets without expanding into northeast

1112
01:18:24,115 --> 01:18:28,075
Pickering, the largely unbuilt seat and community alone still holds

1113
01:18:28,075 --> 01:18:32,876
room for approximately 70,000 more residents and 30,000. More jobs

1114
01:18:32,876 --> 01:18:36,996
while already planned. Intensification around the ghost station, Kingston Road

1115
01:18:36,996 --> 01:18:41,196
and South Pickering can add another 90,000 or so residents

1116
01:18:41,196 --> 01:18:44,676
and tens of thousands of more jobs when these capacities

1117
01:18:44,676 --> 01:18:47,956
are combined with the remaining greenfield parcels south of Tanton

1118
01:18:47,956 --> 01:18:51,516
Road and the fully service innovation corridor the city can.

1119
01:18:52,626 --> 01:18:57,706
Comfortably accommodate the approximate projected 150,000 additional residents and the

1120
01:18:57,706 --> 01:19:03,101
approximately 50,000 jobs to keep up with these projections. In

1121
01:19:03,101 --> 01:19:05,741
short, with higher density build out of existing land and

1122
01:19:05,741 --> 01:19:09,741
adherence to its own intensification. Policies. Pickering has more than

1123
01:19:09,741 --> 01:19:14,341
enough room, making northeast Pickering expansion a matter of choice

1124
01:19:14,341 --> 01:19:18,706
rather than necessity. These are all public figures from publicly

1125
01:19:18,706 --> 01:19:23,146
available materials, including the Durham region Growth Management study phase

1126
01:19:23,146 --> 01:19:27,226
two. The Alternative Land needs Scenarios Assessment summary report for

1127
01:19:27,226 --> 01:19:31,506
Durham region and the Perkin official plan review growth management

1128
01:19:31,506 --> 01:19:36,034
and urban structure. Discussion paper of November 2024. If all

1129
01:19:36,034 --> 01:19:38,594
goes well, God willing, I'm still going to be here

1130
01:19:38,594 --> 01:19:43,074
in 2051 and. In 2051, I'm still going to be

1131
01:19:43,074 --> 01:19:46,594
younger than most members of council are today. I bring

1132
01:19:46,594 --> 01:19:49,478
that up to make a very important point. That this

1133
01:19:49,478 --> 01:19:52,878
is not just an abstract visioning exercise for me and

1134
01:19:52,878 --> 01:19:55,758
people in my age group. And younger. It is a

1135
01:19:55,758 --> 01:19:58,958
very real situation that I and many others in my

1136
01:19:58,958 --> 01:20:03,598
generation will contend with and live through, and its ramifications

1137
01:20:03,598 --> 01:20:09,065
will affect us directly. The decisions of today. Will affect

1138
01:20:09,065 --> 01:20:11,545
me and my generation tomorrow. We have to live with

1139
01:20:11,545 --> 01:20:14,265
the very real consequences of the decisions made by all

1140
01:20:14,265 --> 01:20:19,245
levels of government today. Therefore, it is important to make

1141
01:20:19,245 --> 01:20:24,405
good, responsible, sustainable decisions, especially as it pertains to planning.

1142
01:20:24,405 --> 01:20:28,205
Such that they balance the needs of today without sacrificing

1143
01:20:28,205 --> 01:20:32,445
the needs of tomorrow. Developing northeast Pickering would not be

1144
01:20:32,445 --> 01:20:35,561
one such decision. And as such, I strongly urge counsel

1145
01:20:35,561 --> 01:20:39,681
to please consider alternatives that exist within the urban boundary,

1146
01:20:39,681 --> 01:20:44,842
such as. Intensification along transit corridors and fully building out

1147
01:20:44,842 --> 01:20:49,402
Satan. Let's think creatively and collaboratively in the context of

1148
01:20:49,402 --> 01:20:53,202
what is best for the people, the environment, and the

1149
01:20:53,202 --> 01:20:57,322
land of pickering, rather than being driven by those who

1150
01:20:57,322 --> 01:21:01,859
may wish to gain or profit at our expense. Chair

1151
01:21:01,859 --> 01:21:04,219
Cook. Members of council, thank you very much for your

1152
01:21:04,219 --> 01:21:07,379
time this evening and for the opportunity to address you

1153
01:21:07,379 --> 01:21:12,736
on this matter. Thank you, Abdullah. Questions of the delegate

1154
01:21:12,736 --> 01:21:19,531
from the committee. And seeing none. Thank you, Abdullah. Thank

1155
01:21:19,531 --> 01:21:22,891
you for being right on time. Pleasure seeing you again.

1156
01:21:22,891 --> 01:21:25,811
We will move on to our next delegate who is

1157
01:21:25,811 --> 01:21:30,851
also Pickering resident Eric Leecher also speaking on report, PLN

1158
01:21:30,851 --> 01:21:38,149
20 15 25 which is official plan amendment Opa. 23.

1159
01:21:39,254 --> 01:21:44,014
Four, which is in reference to 720 granite court. Eric,

1160
01:21:44,014 --> 01:21:47,694
I just want to confirm that we can. Hear you

1161
01:21:47,694 --> 01:21:50,614
and see you and confirm that you are not pulling

1162
01:21:50,614 --> 01:21:54,192
up presentation this evening. Yeah. I do not have a

1163
01:21:54,192 --> 01:21:57,152
presentation tonight. Okay, perfect. And we can hear you, so

1164
01:21:57,152 --> 01:21:59,152
I will. Commence with your five minutes. You may go

1165
01:21:59,152 --> 01:22:01,712
ahead. Okay. Thank you, council, for letting me have this.

1166
01:22:01,712 --> 01:22:04,568
Time. I just want to bring up a couple of

1167
01:22:04,568 --> 01:22:12,407
points about. The development of. 720 granite. The number of

1168
01:22:12,407 --> 01:22:18,617
parking spots. I want to start with that. The reassessment

1169
01:22:18,617 --> 01:22:21,657
that I've seen in the presentation also that was handed

1170
01:22:21,657 --> 01:22:25,297
out. In an email, I noted that the number of

1171
01:22:25,297 --> 01:22:29,754
spaces has gone up. So this would, for me, it

1172
01:22:29,754 --> 01:22:35,063
would reflect. That number of cars would go up. This

1173
01:22:35,063 --> 01:22:38,943
is stemming from the last council meeting which was regarding.

1174
01:22:40,333 --> 01:22:44,596
The traffic issues that people were complaining about. There was

1175
01:22:44,596 --> 01:22:48,685
many different things that people were wrapping around. As far

1176
01:22:48,685 --> 01:22:52,805
as the access coming off of granite, I saw the

1177
01:22:52,805 --> 01:22:56,762
renderings with the two lanes. Coming around the corner. I

1178
01:22:56,762 --> 01:22:59,722
also want to put a note that nothing was ever

1179
01:22:59,722 --> 01:23:04,999
addressed being a resident. On the opposite side being. On

1180
01:23:04,999 --> 01:23:08,679
the Oklahoma side, that if you do put a double

1181
01:23:08,679 --> 01:23:13,759
lane on the granite side during rush hour. That gives

1182
01:23:13,759 --> 01:23:18,223
almost no opportunity for anybody leaving. On the Oklahoma site

1183
01:23:18,223 --> 01:23:20,623
to get around the corner. And if anybody knows anything

1184
01:23:20,623 --> 01:23:24,205
about traffic. Around rush hour, it does get backed up

1185
01:23:24,205 --> 01:23:30,802
really quickly. From Bailey back to the Oklahoma. Granite area.

1186
01:23:30,802 --> 01:23:33,562
So the double lane going around the corner, that's advantageous

1187
01:23:33,562 --> 01:23:36,122
for the people. From the granite side, but the Oklahoma

1188
01:23:36,122 --> 01:23:42,164
side. Almost has gridlock for us. Also another point for

1189
01:23:42,164 --> 01:23:48,246
traffic. I've heard everything for the building. The amendments that

1190
01:23:48,246 --> 01:23:54,806
I hear for the building, the. Number of units, the

1191
01:23:54,806 --> 01:23:58,767
changes in the units. As much as they emphasize that

1192
01:23:58,767 --> 01:24:02,486
we brought down the number of units. It doesn't look

1193
01:24:02,486 --> 01:24:09,500
like. The style. Of. The units that are actually going

1194
01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:11,260
in there is going to bring down the number of

1195
01:24:11,260 --> 01:24:15,362
residents going in there. Thus factoring that it doesn't sound

1196
01:24:15,362 --> 01:24:17,522
like anything has changed to the number of people that

1197
01:24:17,522 --> 01:24:20,482
are actually going to be living into that building, even

1198
01:24:20,482 --> 01:24:24,908
though it's come down two. Stories. It doesn't sound like

1199
01:24:24,908 --> 01:24:26,828
there's going to be any less people going to be

1200
01:24:26,828 --> 01:24:30,258
living in that building. Another point that I also like

1201
01:24:30,258 --> 01:24:36,836
to make. Is the reasoning for a condo in the

1202
01:24:36,836 --> 01:24:41,381
actual area. Just actually taking a walk over across the

1203
01:24:41,381 --> 01:24:49,218
highway. I've noticed that. The retail area. Around that area,

1204
01:24:49,218 --> 01:24:53,161
there is a proposal going over there. For, I think,

1205
01:24:53,161 --> 01:24:56,161
three to five buildings, condo buildings, going over there, that's

1206
01:24:56,161 --> 01:25:00,742
going to take out that plaza. So I'm just trying

1207
01:25:00,742 --> 01:25:05,283
to understand that. You have a proposal of all those

1208
01:25:05,283 --> 01:25:08,083
condos going up over there, yet you want another condo?

1209
01:25:08,083 --> 01:25:10,883
On the other side. I do not see anything that

1210
01:25:10,883 --> 01:25:17,909
is helping the infrastructure. Of whites road. The overpass and

1211
01:25:17,909 --> 01:25:20,989
the number of exits coming off the 401. If you're

1212
01:25:20,989 --> 01:25:24,029
talking about rush hour. If anybody has actually seen rush

1213
01:25:24,029 --> 01:25:28,129
hour. In the last at least couple weeks, coming off

1214
01:25:28,129 --> 01:25:31,569
the Whites Road exit has been absolutely horrendous and that's

1215
01:25:31,569 --> 01:25:36,009
without any changes. Now, I've noticed also that the exit

1216
01:25:36,009 --> 01:25:40,279
for Brock Road had an issue with going north. And

1217
01:25:40,279 --> 01:25:41,559
thus forced a lot of people to go off at

1218
01:25:41,559 --> 01:25:44,439
whites, if that is any indication of the number of

1219
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,439
people that are going to be coming off of Whites

1220
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:51,647
Road before these complexes go. Up. Any resident would just

1221
01:25:51,647 --> 01:25:55,731
rip their hair out just thinking about. The traffic that

1222
01:25:55,731 --> 01:26:00,136
we're going to see. And I don't even know. If

1223
01:26:00,136 --> 01:26:01,736
that's like, the area is going to actually even support

1224
01:26:01,736 --> 01:26:06,075
that many people coming around. There. Also, I noticed that.

1225
01:26:08,270 --> 01:26:11,390
Another presentation. Somebody was mentioning about the 407 opening up.

1226
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:17,687
Just recently. If you think Brock Road is a good

1227
01:26:17,687 --> 01:26:21,047
exit to go up to the 407 people are now

1228
01:26:21,047 --> 01:26:25,549
starting to use White's road. To also go up north

1229
01:26:25,549 --> 01:26:29,309
and start to go across Taunton to go up rock.

1230
01:26:29,309 --> 01:26:33,036
So people are going to be using both exits. To

1231
01:26:33,036 --> 01:26:35,316
actually facilitate themselves to get up to that. 407 now.

1232
01:26:36,893 --> 01:26:39,213
So I think the traffic pattern changes with that 407

1233
01:26:39,213 --> 01:26:41,173
change is going to be causing a lot of different

1234
01:26:41,173 --> 01:26:45,002
issues with that, too. And then lastly, like I say,

1235
01:26:45,002 --> 01:26:49,129
with infrastructure, If infrastructure has not changed or is not

1236
01:26:49,129 --> 01:26:51,449
going to be changing around the area. I don't. Think

1237
01:26:51,449 --> 01:26:53,969
that any new buildings are going to be able to

1238
01:26:53,969 --> 01:26:57,289
be supported by the current infrastructure. That's around here right

1239
01:26:57,289 --> 01:27:01,858
now. I think that is everything that I wanted to

1240
01:27:01,858 --> 01:27:06,318
address. And you are right on time. Perfect. Sure. I

1241
01:27:06,318 --> 01:27:12,034
appreciate that. Questions of the delegate from the committee. And

1242
01:27:12,034 --> 01:27:14,794
seeing none. Thank you very much for your delegation this

1243
01:27:14,794 --> 01:27:19,360
evening. Welcome. We will move forward with our next delegation,

1244
01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:22,880
which is a group. Delegation. We are an item. 3.9.

1245
01:27:25,206 --> 01:27:27,846
This is a group of landowners, Rakesh Gupta and Mohit

1246
01:27:27,846 --> 01:27:33,406
Gupta, with respect to northeast Pickering. Which is PLN 1325.

1247
01:27:33,406 --> 01:27:36,046
Good evening. Oh, there we go. We have your presentation

1248
01:27:36,046 --> 01:27:38,846
up because. This is a group delegation. You do have

1249
01:27:38,846 --> 01:27:42,687
ten minutes to present. And I can see you. Let's

1250
01:27:42,687 --> 01:27:44,367
just make sure we can hear you before I start.

1251
01:27:44,367 --> 01:27:48,558
My timer. Hello? Can you hear me? Yes. Perfect. You

1252
01:27:48,558 --> 01:27:52,918
may go ahead. Thank you. Good evening. Chair. Council member.

1253
01:27:52,918 --> 01:27:55,758
And member of the planning and development committee. Thank you

1254
01:27:55,758 --> 01:27:58,558
for giving me this opportunity to speak my name is

1255
01:27:58,558 --> 01:28:01,678
Mohit Gupta and my family owns roughly eleven acre on

1256
01:28:01,678 --> 01:28:05,318
the east side of Salom. Road between 7th concession and

1257
01:28:05,318 --> 01:28:09,925
highway. 407. My purpose here tonight is to voice support

1258
01:28:09,925 --> 01:28:13,045
for the plant's complete community vision and to suggest a

1259
01:28:13,045 --> 01:28:16,925
few practical measures that will help small, independent owners like

1260
01:28:16,925 --> 01:28:25,878
me take part fairly. Next slide. Thank you. So as

1261
01:28:25,878 --> 01:28:28,398
you can see, my part of fits where the new

1262
01:28:28,398 --> 01:28:33,106
roads, parks and the proposed east. West transit border will

1263
01:28:33,106 --> 01:28:38,449
converge. Clear. Upfront development guidelines will help keep small parts

1264
01:28:38,449 --> 01:28:42,529
of the mind workable and smoothly integrated. Into the overall

1265
01:28:42,529 --> 01:28:48,940
plan. Next slide, please. Here are some suggestions that I

1266
01:28:48,940 --> 01:28:52,300
believe will make the process more fair, workable for small

1267
01:28:52,300 --> 01:28:57,938
landowners. Like myself. I would like to suggest that we

1268
01:28:57,938 --> 01:29:01,418
have one independent, small landowner seat to the technical steering

1269
01:29:01,418 --> 01:29:06,534
committee. The decisions balance all interest. Two to circulate every

1270
01:29:06,534 --> 01:29:09,534
draft map, cost, table and meeting invite to all affected

1271
01:29:09,534 --> 01:29:12,814
owners at no charge and to release a final preferred

1272
01:29:12,814 --> 01:29:17,614
plan map which schedule c cost table ideally 60 days

1273
01:29:17,614 --> 01:29:23,990
before council adoption. Three give each owner a parcel level

1274
01:29:23,990 --> 01:29:27,710
overlay of the preferred plan and enable land swap options.

1275
01:29:27,710 --> 01:29:31,675
Before any acquisition. Four to keep an open book. Cost

1276
01:29:31,675 --> 01:29:37,628
disclosure. And payment only at the building permit stage versus

1277
01:29:37,628 --> 01:29:43,399
upon rezoning. And five to allow small parcels to develop

1278
01:29:43,399 --> 01:29:46,919
or partner voluntarily without for sale and provide city led

1279
01:29:46,919 --> 01:29:52,724
mediation or phase approval if neighborhood plan talks. Stall. In

1280
01:29:52,724 --> 01:29:55,044
short, I support the plan. And I'm simply asking that

1281
01:29:55,044 --> 01:29:59,055
a few safeguards. Be included now. So independent owners can

1282
01:29:59,055 --> 01:30:02,415
move forward confidently and help bring the shared vision for

1283
01:30:02,415 --> 01:30:05,495
a complete mixed youth. Community to life. Thank you for

1284
01:30:05,495 --> 01:30:15,230
your time. Thank you very much, Mr. Gupta. That was

1285
01:30:15,230 --> 01:30:17,510
short and sweet. And I see that we have councilor.

1286
01:30:17,510 --> 01:30:21,110
Pickles with the first set of questions. Deliot. Mr. Pickles.

1287
01:30:23,152 --> 01:30:29,442
Thanks Mohit, for your presentation. Have you met? With our

1288
01:30:29,442 --> 01:30:37,403
planning staff. And talked about. Your. I'll say perspective. And

1289
01:30:37,403 --> 01:30:41,371
comments on how you might fit into that process. Yes,

1290
01:30:41,371 --> 01:30:43,891
I have exchanged a few emails, and up until now.

1291
01:30:45,638 --> 01:30:50,422
It was quite early. The final details weren't put in

1292
01:30:50,422 --> 01:30:53,462
place, so we were waiting for some more progression on

1293
01:30:53,462 --> 01:30:57,002
the overall plans, which. We now see are happening. So,

1294
01:30:57,002 --> 01:31:00,765
yes, now we would like to be more involved. And

1295
01:31:00,765 --> 01:31:04,565
open that dialogue. Okay, so you would be amenable to

1296
01:31:04,565 --> 01:31:10,831
councilor, but. Arranging such a meeting to have a discussion

1297
01:31:10,831 --> 01:31:15,478
with our planning staff. Yeah, that would be very appreciated.

1298
01:31:15,478 --> 01:31:18,078
Yes, we will ensure we follow up with you. Thank

1299
01:31:18,078 --> 01:31:23,702
you. Thank you council. Thank you, Councilor Pickles. Anyone else

1300
01:31:23,702 --> 01:31:28,985
in the committee questions? Okay, seeing none. Thank you very

1301
01:31:28,985 --> 01:31:31,705
much. Mr. Gupta. Interesting perspective. I'm sure there's a lot

1302
01:31:31,705 --> 01:31:36,445
of people out there who hadn't considered. Small landowners like

1303
01:31:36,445 --> 01:31:40,790
yourself, so I thank you for bringing that forward. Into

1304
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:44,085
the mix and we will say good evening. Thank you.

1305
01:31:44,085 --> 01:31:47,205
You're very welcome. Next on three point ten. Is Helen

1306
01:31:47,205 --> 01:31:52,645
Brenner returning? Helen Brenner, who's been with us multiple times.

1307
01:31:52,645 --> 01:31:55,445
Nice to see you again, Helen. You are also speaking

1308
01:31:55,445 --> 01:31:59,005
on Pickering's official plan review, project update and completed growth

1309
01:31:59,005 --> 01:32:02,885
management strategy. And I do believe you are not pulling.

1310
01:32:03,481 --> 01:32:06,616
Up a presentation, so. We will just make sure that

1311
01:32:06,616 --> 01:32:11,734
we can hear you. Andy, do we have sound for

1312
01:32:11,734 --> 01:32:20,799
Helen? Helen, you're still on mute. Perhaps we could reach

1313
01:32:20,799 --> 01:32:26,359
out to her, Andy, to make sure that. Ellen knows

1314
01:32:26,359 --> 01:32:29,479
that it's her delegation time. Sure thing. I'll reach out

1315
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,447
to her. In the background. We'll just give it a

1316
01:32:32,447 --> 01:32:35,927
minute, folks, just to see if we can raise Helen.

1317
01:32:35,927 --> 01:32:39,469
If. Not. What we can do is move on. To

1318
01:32:39,469 --> 01:32:41,229
our next delegation and then come back to Helen.

1319
01:32:58,807 --> 01:33:07,154
Right. Then, in the interest of time. While Andy attempts

1320
01:33:07,154 --> 01:33:13,525
to reach. Helen Brenner is our delegation. We will circle

1321
01:33:13,525 --> 01:33:16,645
back to her and I will see if Mr. James

1322
01:33:16,645 --> 01:33:19,965
Grundy, who's? Our next delegation is also available on the

1323
01:33:19,965 --> 01:33:24,159
line. See if. We can raise one of the other

1324
01:33:24,159 --> 01:33:30,636
individuals. Mr. Grundy, are you with us? Okay, perfect. I

1325
01:33:30,636 --> 01:33:32,836
can see you. Let's just make sure we can take

1326
01:33:32,836 --> 01:33:36,556
you off mute. And I will make note to circle

1327
01:33:36,556 --> 01:33:39,036
back to Helen once Andy indicates whether he can raise

1328
01:33:39,036 --> 01:33:42,236
her. Thank you for coming in tonight, Mr. Grundy. We

1329
01:33:42,236 --> 01:33:45,876
do have you speaking to Northwest plan. Secondary update as

1330
01:33:45,876 --> 01:33:50,637
well. You are on mute. So let's just make sure.

1331
01:33:51,931 --> 01:34:01,924
You can get yourself off mute. Or

1332
01:34:01,924 --> 01:34:05,044
I can assist with that. See if I can unmute

1333
01:34:05,044 --> 01:34:09,510
you, sir. Hi. Kent, you are going to have to

1334
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:19,503
unmute yourself. We

1335
01:34:19,503 --> 01:34:22,998
seem to have lost Mr. Grundy. I can see him

1336
01:34:22,998 --> 01:34:30,179
on the video, but I can't hear him. No. I'm

1337
01:34:30,179 --> 01:34:31,379
not having a lot of luck here. That last two

1338
01:34:31,379 --> 01:34:36,260
delegates. James, are you able to hear us? You are.

1339
01:34:36,260 --> 01:34:38,900
Are you able to take yourself off mute so that

1340
01:34:38,900 --> 01:34:43,555
we can do your delegation? It's a little microphone. It's

1341
01:34:43,555 --> 01:34:45,315
probably got a little flash through it. It's. Probably in

1342
01:34:45,315 --> 01:34:49,527
the upper top right of your screen. There you go.

1343
01:34:51,345 --> 01:34:56,588
Thought we had you for a second there. How's that?

1344
01:34:56,588 --> 01:35:01,788
Yes. There you go. Okay. Perfect. Wonderful. Okay. This is

1345
01:35:01,788 --> 01:35:04,548
fantastic. We've got both Helen, who will be next, and

1346
01:35:04,548 --> 01:35:07,468
Mr. Grundy, now that we've confirmed. You. We will move

1347
01:35:07,468 --> 01:35:11,348
forward with your delegation. You do have five minutes to

1348
01:35:11,348 --> 01:35:18,075
begin. Thank you very much. Good evening. My name is

1349
01:35:18,075 --> 01:35:21,035
Jim Grundy. I'm a longtime resident of Greenwood and. A

1350
01:35:21,035 --> 01:35:25,690
member of the Greenwood Community Association. I'm here to discuss

1351
01:35:25,690 --> 01:35:28,690
the financial implications to the taxpayers of the city of

1352
01:35:28,690 --> 01:35:31,050
Pickering in the event that lands a northeast pickering where

1353
01:35:31,050 --> 01:35:34,799
to be developed. My understanding is that the minimum number

1354
01:35:34,799 --> 01:35:37,279
of new residents to live in this development would be

1355
01:35:37,279 --> 01:35:41,599
approximately 45,000. And with no maximum number at this point

1356
01:35:41,599 --> 01:35:45,286
in time. Based on a review of the verain website,

1357
01:35:45,286 --> 01:35:47,606
the number of new residents would be in excess. Of

1358
01:35:47,606 --> 01:35:50,766
100,000. So basically, they double the size of the current

1359
01:35:50,766 --> 01:35:54,100
population of the city of Pickering. As a bit of

1360
01:35:54,100 --> 01:35:56,260
background, I think we should take a look at Pickering's

1361
01:35:56,260 --> 01:35:59,820
current financial situation as we look at moving forward with

1362
01:35:59,820 --> 01:36:03,839
northeast Pickering or not. I went back to the city's

1363
01:36:03,839 --> 01:36:08,079
2025 budget presentation made by Stan Carloski, the director of

1364
01:36:08,079 --> 01:36:11,879
finance and treasure. He stated that the city's capital forecast

1365
01:36:11,879 --> 01:36:15,359
for 26 to 34 is not financially sustainable as it

1366
01:36:15,359 --> 01:36:18,079
relies on an excessive amount of debt to fund these

1367
01:36:18,079 --> 01:36:21,061
projects. This high level of debt will have an impact

1368
01:36:21,061 --> 01:36:24,637
on the city's debt capacity. As measured by the annual

1369
01:36:24,637 --> 01:36:29,237
repayment limit plan. Capital expenditures for the 26 to 34

1370
01:36:29,237 --> 01:36:34,157
period estimated at one point. 14 billion, keeping in mind

1371
01:36:34,157 --> 01:36:36,997
that the budgeted number does not include any capital costs

1372
01:36:36,997 --> 01:36:41,995
for the proposed development of the northeast Pickering lands. The

1373
01:36:41,995 --> 01:36:45,755
most recent audited financial statements that are publicly available December

1374
01:36:45,755 --> 01:36:48,795
23 indicate long term debt for the city to be

1375
01:36:48,795 --> 01:36:53,755
approximately 39 million, and with that growing in 2026 to

1376
01:36:53,755 --> 01:36:59,704
300 and 2300. And 12 million. 727% increase from 2024

1377
01:36:59,704 --> 01:37:05,424
to 2026, along with a 374% increase in debt servicing

1378
01:37:05,424 --> 01:37:08,824
driven primarily by the proposed seat and recreation complex and

1379
01:37:08,824 --> 01:37:13,288
library. The Director of finance indicated in his 2025 budget

1380
01:37:13,288 --> 01:37:17,008
presentation that capital projects will have to be deferred, revised,

1381
01:37:17,008 --> 01:37:20,897
reduced in size to meet the financial budget. The next

1382
01:37:20,897 --> 01:37:23,217
term of council, Pickering will probably have one of the

1383
01:37:23,217 --> 01:37:27,337
highest debt per capita among all. Municipalities in Ontario. As

1384
01:37:27,337 --> 01:37:29,617
we all know, the capital project that is driving the

1385
01:37:29,617 --> 01:37:33,741
significant increase in 26 is the. Seat and rec complex

1386
01:37:33,741 --> 01:37:39,598
and library. At an estimated cost of 242,000,000. 69% to

1387
01:37:39,598 --> 01:37:42,118
be funded with DC funding and the balance funded by

1388
01:37:42,118 --> 01:37:45,718
the city. Given the comments from the director of finance

1389
01:37:45,718 --> 01:37:48,398
and treasurer noted above. It was not no surprise when

1390
01:37:48,398 --> 01:37:52,278
a special meeting took place on April 22, where staff

1391
01:37:52,278 --> 01:37:55,355
were requesting a pause on this project. Until later this

1392
01:37:55,355 --> 01:37:58,755
year. Given the economic turmoil caused by tariffs from the

1393
01:37:58,755 --> 01:38:02,755
us administration along with federal and Ontario elections. For whatever

1394
01:38:02,755 --> 01:38:05,475
reason. It was good to see this project. Pause not

1395
01:38:05,475 --> 01:38:07,675
so good for the seat and residents, but certainly good

1396
01:38:07,675 --> 01:38:11,451
for the city of Pickering, taxpayers as a group. Given

1397
01:38:11,451 --> 01:38:15,495
the 15% to 20% estimated. Development completion of Seaton to

1398
01:38:15,495 --> 01:38:18,815
date. The development charges collected to date are not there

1399
01:38:18,815 --> 01:38:22,215
to fund this project and funding the project with debt

1400
01:38:22,215 --> 01:38:26,015
is not sustainable. Having watched the video of the special

1401
01:38:26,015 --> 01:38:29,295
Council meeting of April 2225 again, I did learn that

1402
01:38:29,295 --> 01:38:31,735
the Chestnut Hill rec center needs to be replaced within

1403
01:38:31,735 --> 01:38:34,364
the next five years. And this might have been one

1404
01:38:34,364 --> 01:38:36,764
of the motivating factors to move forward with Seed and

1405
01:38:36,764 --> 01:38:41,449
rec project. Timing and services related to the Northeast Pickering

1406
01:38:41,449 --> 01:38:44,409
land development. I felt it was important to provide this

1407
01:38:44,409 --> 01:38:48,009
financial background about the city of Pickering's current financial situation

1408
01:38:48,009 --> 01:38:52,129
when looking at taking on more significant development beyond Seaton.

1409
01:38:52,129 --> 01:38:54,529
Given that the Seaton project has provided all of us

1410
01:38:54,529 --> 01:38:57,849
with some tough learning when it comes to the pace

1411
01:38:57,849 --> 01:39:01,724
or lack. Thereof of build out. So now let's turn

1412
01:39:01,724 --> 01:39:05,124
our minds to when the proposed Northeast Pickering Land development

1413
01:39:05,124 --> 01:39:09,079
project might commence. Mayor Ash indicated at a meeting with

1414
01:39:09,079 --> 01:39:12,879
the Greenwood Community association in March 25 that the shovels

1415
01:39:12,879 --> 01:39:16,079
could be in the ground within six years, so that

1416
01:39:16,079 --> 01:39:18,919
would require both water and sewer services being brought to

1417
01:39:18,919 --> 01:39:22,856
unservice farmland. In the not too distant future who will

1418
01:39:22,856 --> 01:39:27,106
pay the cost per providing these services? Also, it is

1419
01:39:27,106 --> 01:39:30,626
my understanding that Durham region's current water treatment facilities will

1420
01:39:30,626 --> 01:39:34,146
not handle this. Population increase and will require further investment

1421
01:39:34,146 --> 01:39:37,506
to increase capacity, something that is not in their plans

1422
01:39:37,506 --> 01:39:40,551
for the next ten years. Keep close eye on the

1423
01:39:40,551 --> 01:39:43,751
Durham region portion of your property tax bill. Moving forward.

1424
01:39:43,751 --> 01:39:45,911
The cost of these services will be paid by all

1425
01:39:45,911 --> 01:39:49,871
the taxpayers of Durham region. As for the infrastructure costs

1426
01:39:49,871 --> 01:39:53,671
related to the northeast, Pickering lands being fire, parks, library,

1427
01:39:53,671 --> 01:39:58,311
bylaw, transportation, community centers, et cetera, et cetera that would

1428
01:39:58,311 --> 01:40:00,798
normally be covered by development. Charges. I would expect that

1429
01:40:00,798 --> 01:40:03,438
there will be a timing issue as well as to

1430
01:40:03,438 --> 01:40:06,729
when the full belt. Full build out of the NEP

1431
01:40:06,729 --> 01:40:10,009
lands occurs and the cost for the infrastructure will need

1432
01:40:10,009 --> 01:40:13,089
to be incurred. So who will fund the timing issue

1433
01:40:13,089 --> 01:40:16,834
over the decades of development? Major Ash suggested at our

1434
01:40:16,834 --> 01:40:19,994
March 25 meeting that the developers will need to fund

1435
01:40:19,994 --> 01:40:22,914
all the infrastructure related to the development of the northeast

1436
01:40:22,914 --> 01:40:27,740
Pickering lands through development charge credits. Well, that would be

1437
01:40:27,740 --> 01:40:30,220
welcome news to the city of Pickering. Cox pairs. I

1438
01:40:30,220 --> 01:40:32,700
expect that the developers may not be willing to take

1439
01:40:32,700 --> 01:40:36,823
on all or a portion of this financial burden. Unless

1440
01:40:36,823 --> 01:40:38,863
there's a pot of funding from either the federal or

1441
01:40:38,863 --> 01:40:42,463
provincial governments to fund urban sprawl infrastructure that I'm not

1442
01:40:42,463 --> 01:40:45,143
aware of at this point in time, I would offer

1443
01:40:45,143 --> 01:40:47,663
the opinion that the city of Pickering is not in

1444
01:40:47,663 --> 01:40:50,143
a position either now or in the future to fund

1445
01:40:50,143 --> 01:40:54,103
the required infrastructure for the northeast Pickering lands without putting

1446
01:40:54,103 --> 01:40:58,503
an undue stra. Strain on both the city of echoring

1447
01:40:58,503 --> 01:41:01,903
taxpayers and the Durham region taxpayers for water and sewer

1448
01:41:01,903 --> 01:41:06,495
services. So where do we go from here? Prior to

1449
01:41:06,495 --> 01:41:09,215
spending any more money on external consultants, I think it

1450
01:41:09,215 --> 01:41:13,895
is time to undertake a full detailed financial analysis business

1451
01:41:13,895 --> 01:41:17,735
case of the development of the Northeast Pickering lands that

1452
01:41:17,735 --> 01:41:22,175
would involve the developers the adjacent landowners, communities such as

1453
01:41:22,175 --> 01:41:24,175
Greenwood who are on the front line in the city

1454
01:41:24,175 --> 01:41:26,899
planning staff if we. Are not able to make this

1455
01:41:26,899 --> 01:41:30,219
proposed development mark work from a financial perspective for all

1456
01:41:30,219 --> 01:41:33,699
involved, then it's time to move on from this proposal.

1457
01:41:33,699 --> 01:41:35,779
As you may have heard from some of the other

1458
01:41:35,779 --> 01:41:39,539
delegations this evening. Given the significant cost of taking raw

1459
01:41:39,539 --> 01:41:42,059
farmland with no services and trying to turn it into

1460
01:41:42,059 --> 01:41:44,880
a city within the city. I think we should take

1461
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:47,200
a look at development within the city of Pickering where

1462
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:51,600
the services and some infrastructure already exist. And finally, there

1463
01:41:51,600 --> 01:41:54,640
was mentioned in the report of a phasing strategy. Which

1464
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:57,960
I am fully in support of. And when this ever

1465
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:02,159
moves forward, thank you very much. You're very welcome, Mr.

1466
01:42:02,159 --> 01:42:06,248
Grundy. I am remiss. I should have noted that you

1467
01:42:06,248 --> 01:42:10,050
had ten minutes on your delegation because. You had. Two

1468
01:42:10,050 --> 01:42:14,050
submitted. So that notwithstanding, you do have an additional four

1469
01:42:14,050 --> 01:42:17,850
minutes remaining of time unless you have concluded both your

1470
01:42:17,850 --> 01:42:22,724
presentations. On. We're good. Okay, fantastic. And I will turn

1471
01:42:22,724 --> 01:42:26,244
it back to committee to ask questions of the delegate.

1472
01:42:26,244 --> 01:42:32,539
And that is councilor pickles. Hi, James. We've communicated a

1473
01:42:32,539 --> 01:42:35,059
number of times, so thank you for participating this evening.

1474
01:42:36,435 --> 01:42:38,035
You made a lot of good points. I just wanted

1475
01:42:38,035 --> 01:42:42,303
to revisit a couple of things. I don't think you

1476
01:42:42,303 --> 01:42:47,042
meant to say that. Our chestnut Hill Recreation center needs

1477
01:42:47,042 --> 01:42:50,925
to be replaced. I think what you might be referring

1478
01:42:50,925 --> 01:42:54,365
to is that the swimming pools themselves have to be

1479
01:42:54,365 --> 01:42:57,565
refurbished. Therefore, we want to have the new pools and

1480
01:42:57,565 --> 01:43:01,045
the Satan Recreation center in place before we have to

1481
01:43:01,045 --> 01:43:03,445
take the other ones out to refurbish them. Are you

1482
01:43:03,445 --> 01:43:08,937
aware of that? That isn't what I heard. In the

1483
01:43:08,937 --> 01:43:11,617
video I watched today. But you could be right, okay.

1484
01:43:13,074 --> 01:43:18,198
And you referred to. Who was going to build the

1485
01:43:18,198 --> 01:43:22,070
infrastructure. In northeast Pickering. And you didn't think it would

1486
01:43:22,070 --> 01:43:24,710
be the developers, and I'll tell you, the developers would

1487
01:43:24,710 --> 01:43:27,910
probably not want to. But you're aware, in the case

1488
01:43:27,910 --> 01:43:30,670
of Seaton that that's, in fact, what the developers are

1489
01:43:30,670 --> 01:43:34,670
doing. They're building much of the road and other infrastructure.

1490
01:43:36,121 --> 01:43:38,401
There on behalf of the region of the city, and

1491
01:43:38,401 --> 01:43:41,321
they get credits to development charges for that. But in

1492
01:43:41,321 --> 01:43:43,801
fact they are building it. I didn't know if you

1493
01:43:43,801 --> 01:43:45,921
were aware of that. Yeah, I was actually aware that

1494
01:43:45,921 --> 01:43:49,361
they were doing the roads. I watched the development charge

1495
01:43:49,361 --> 01:43:54,399
study presentation. Today and the consultant. And I understood that

1496
01:43:54,399 --> 01:43:57,159
because there's a different development charge, a lower one for

1497
01:43:57,159 --> 01:44:01,602
season than the rest of pickering, correct? And I just

1498
01:44:01,602 --> 01:44:05,002
wanted to go back to. You were supportive of phasing.

1499
01:44:05,002 --> 01:44:08,242
Can you tell? Us quickly. Why you would support phasing

1500
01:44:08,242 --> 01:44:11,362
what you like about it. Well, I think the reality

1501
01:44:11,362 --> 01:44:14,322
is, my understanding of it is you're not trying to

1502
01:44:14,322 --> 01:44:15,922
do it all at once. You bite it off in

1503
01:44:15,922 --> 01:44:20,262
chunks. And you do one chunk, see how it did,

1504
01:44:20,262 --> 01:44:21,902
see what you learned from it, and then you. Move

1505
01:44:21,902 --> 01:44:26,587
on, potentially. Or not, to the next one. Okay. Thanks

1506
01:44:26,587 --> 01:44:30,491
again, James. Any other comments from the committee to ask

1507
01:44:30,491 --> 01:44:34,531
for the delegate? Okay, thank you. Thank you, James, for

1508
01:44:34,531 --> 01:44:38,451
coming in. Appreciate your comments. Thank you. You're very welcome.

1509
01:44:44,003 --> 01:44:47,203
Helen, we're going to go back to you. Let me

1510
01:44:47,203 --> 01:44:53,964
make sure that. We've got. You, Ms. Brenner. No relation

1511
01:44:53,964 --> 01:44:56,004
to Councilor Brenner. As we like to say when Helen

1512
01:44:56,004 --> 01:45:00,778
appears before us. Andy, were you able to reach Helen

1513
01:45:00,778 --> 01:45:09,944
to confirm her delegation? Okay. She's coming in again. Coming

1514
01:45:09,944 --> 01:45:15,860
in again. There we go. Hi, Helen. Hello? There you

1515
01:45:15,860 --> 01:45:18,180
go. We can hear you now. Okay. I seem to

1516
01:45:18,180 --> 01:45:23,076
be having technical problems. I'm sorry. Good evening. Thank you.

1517
01:45:23,076 --> 01:45:26,436
Chair Cook, you can go ahead. We can hear you

1518
01:45:26,436 --> 01:45:28,396
and see you and. You do have five minutes to

1519
01:45:28,396 --> 01:45:32,116
speak on your delegation, which is also on Pickering's official.

1520
01:45:32,116 --> 01:45:34,396
Plan review, you can go ahead. Great. Well, thank you

1521
01:45:34,396 --> 01:45:37,236
very much and good evening, everybody. I'm Helen Brenner. I'm

1522
01:45:37,236 --> 01:45:40,356
resident of Pickering and co lead of Stop Sprawl. Durham,

1523
01:45:40,356 --> 01:45:44,127
which Abdullah spoke to. Earlier, and I'm very pleased to

1524
01:45:44,127 --> 01:45:46,767
be here to speak this evening. I am here to

1525
01:45:46,767 --> 01:45:50,647
raise serious concerns about how the northeast Pickering lands were

1526
01:45:50,647 --> 01:45:54,367
added to the urban boundary, a decision not rooted in

1527
01:45:54,367 --> 01:46:00,247
transparent planning, public consultation, or environmental stewardship. Let's start with

1528
01:46:00,247 --> 01:46:05,058
the facts in 2018. The region launched in Vision Durham,

1529
01:46:05,058 --> 01:46:08,738
a comprehensive review of the regional official plan to guide

1530
01:46:08,738 --> 01:46:15,410
growth to 2051. Staff developed five land needs assessment scenarios,

1531
01:46:15,410 --> 01:46:19,490
non included northeast Pickley. Yet long before that planning work

1532
01:46:19,490 --> 01:46:23,250
concluded efforts were to develop these lands were already underway.

1533
01:46:24,964 --> 01:46:29,284
In June 2021, two years before the region finalized its

1534
01:46:29,284 --> 01:46:33,444
new official plan, Pickering Council directed staff to begin a

1535
01:46:33,444 --> 01:46:38,004
secondary plan for a proposed community in northeast Pickering aimed

1536
01:46:38,004 --> 01:46:44,607
at supporting. A future official plan amendment. So development planning

1537
01:46:44,607 --> 01:46:48,487
was moving forward for lands not included in any official

1538
01:46:48,487 --> 01:46:52,007
growth scenario at that time. And here's how we got

1539
01:46:52,007 --> 01:46:57,655
there. Way back in 2014, Dorsey development began working closely

1540
01:46:57,655 --> 01:47:01,215
with Pickering and Durham region to promote a 4000 acre

1541
01:47:01,215 --> 01:47:07,775
community called Brain. In June 2020, Dorsey Development submitted a

1542
01:47:07,775 --> 01:47:11,695
request for an MzTO the city of Pickering supported it.

1543
01:47:11,695 --> 01:47:17,799
Durham region opposed it. Citing planning concerns. Ajax also raised

1544
01:47:17,799 --> 01:47:23,247
objections. In his July 2020 letter to pick ring, Mayor

1545
01:47:23,247 --> 01:47:28,727
Collier warned of, quote, justified and real concerns regarding downstream

1546
01:47:28,727 --> 01:47:33,487
flooding impacts associated with urbanization of the headwaters of Crothers

1547
01:47:33,487 --> 01:47:39,367
creek, unquote. In late 2022, Mayor Ash sent another letter

1548
01:47:39,367 --> 01:47:43,440
to the province. Requesting an MZTO for Northeast pick ring

1549
01:47:43,440 --> 01:47:47,379
that did not succeed. Then came the turning point in

1550
01:47:47,379 --> 01:47:53,166
the regional process. In May 2022, Durham's planning commissioner recommended

1551
01:47:53,166 --> 01:47:58,126
scenario four, which was identified through the envision Durham process,

1552
01:47:58,126 --> 01:48:05,158
emphasizing compact, walkable, transit friendly communities. It met growth targets

1553
01:48:05,158 --> 01:48:10,358
and didn't require expansion into northeast pick ring. Instead, Durham

1554
01:48:10,358 --> 01:48:16,918
Council adopted build scenario two A, which included 6178 acres

1555
01:48:16,918 --> 01:48:23,921
of new community land. Far more than the 2348 acres

1556
01:48:23,921 --> 01:48:27,001
recommended by the staff through the envision durham process for

1557
01:48:27,001 --> 01:48:31,881
scenario four. This wasn't just a numbers issue. Scenario four

1558
01:48:31,881 --> 01:48:37,797
exceeded density targets, achieving. 65 people in jobs per hectare

1559
01:48:37,797 --> 01:48:42,891
as opposed to. The scenario. Two a at 57 jobs

1560
01:48:42,891 --> 01:48:46,491
and people per hectare. A memo from then commissioner Brian

1561
01:48:46,491 --> 01:48:51,571
Bridgeman. Warned that scenario two, a failed to follow Envision

1562
01:48:51,571 --> 01:48:59,078
Durham's evaluation framework. Lack transparency, promoted low density sprawl and

1563
01:48:59,078 --> 01:49:05,390
higher emissions. And undermined farm and climate goals. Planning staff,

1564
01:49:05,390 --> 01:49:10,110
advisory committees and the public, including stops for all Durham

1565
01:49:10,110 --> 01:49:16,310
all raised concerns. Yet on May 25, 2022. Regional council

1566
01:49:16,310 --> 01:49:20,990
voted 16 to 1111 in favor of scenario two a

1567
01:49:20,990 --> 01:49:26,180
with councilor pickles and ash voting a res. Resounding yes.

1568
01:49:26,176 --> 01:49:30,592
Why? Because scenario two a was. The only path to

1569
01:49:30,592 --> 01:49:35,552
approve the 4000 acres needed for the Pickering, the northeast

1570
01:49:35,552 --> 01:49:40,512
Pickering development. Without it those lands would not meet the

1571
01:49:40,512 --> 01:49:46,152
growth plans planning tests. This was not evidence based planning.

1572
01:49:46,152 --> 01:49:50,694
It appears. To have proprietained developer interest. Interests over sound,

1573
01:49:50,694 --> 01:49:57,713
transparent planning. Today, northeast Pickering secondary plan continues. Des. Despite

1574
01:49:57,713 --> 01:50:03,879
lacking a foundation in any transparent, publicly vetted process, That

1575
01:50:03,879 --> 01:50:08,519
erodes public trust and raises serious concerns about integrity and

1576
01:50:08,519 --> 01:50:13,260
land use decisions. So I leave you with the following

1577
01:50:13,260 --> 01:50:17,540
what is the cost of development in northeast Pickering to

1578
01:50:17,540 --> 01:50:24,295
taxpayers? To infrastructure and to our climate future. We asked

1579
01:50:24,295 --> 01:50:28,455
for this information back in 2022. When we delegate it

1580
01:50:28,455 --> 01:50:32,815
then, it has never been provided. I urge council to

1581
01:50:32,815 --> 01:50:39,095
demand this data now. Responsible planning demands transparency and accountability

1582
01:50:39,095 --> 01:50:43,541
to the taxpayers. The people of Pickering deserve better. We

1583
01:50:43,541 --> 01:50:47,901
ask that council show integrity, courage and commitment to real

1584
01:50:47,901 --> 01:50:52,221
planning, not politics. Thank you very much. I appreciate your

1585
01:50:52,221 --> 01:50:56,821
time. Thank you very much. Ms. Helen. Any questions of

1586
01:50:56,821 --> 01:51:00,362
the delegate from members of committee this evening. Thank you

1587
01:51:00,362 --> 01:51:04,042
very much. Thank you, Helen, for coming forward with your

1588
01:51:04,042 --> 01:51:10,021
comments. We do appreciate it. That concludes our list of

1589
01:51:10,021 --> 01:51:13,514
delegates. And before we move on, There has been a

1590
01:51:13,514 --> 01:51:16,553
request to take. A short five minute bio break since

1591
01:51:16,553 --> 01:51:21,484
we've been at this now almost 2 hours. So we

1592
01:51:21,484 --> 01:51:25,474
are going to call a five minute break. Mover secondary

1593
01:51:25,474 --> 01:51:29,390
to agree. I'm going to go with Maurice and Lisa.

1594
01:51:32,141 --> 01:51:36,422
Who are councilor Robinson and councilor Brenner? As moving. That.

1595
01:51:36,422 --> 01:51:39,702
And all in favor? Ten minutes, madam chair. I just

1596
01:51:39,702 --> 01:51:41,942
want, for clarification. Do they say five minutes or ten

1597
01:51:41,942 --> 01:51:46,382
minutes? Ten minutes, sir. Ten minutes. Ten minutes. So we

1598
01:51:46,382 --> 01:51:48,102
are. Going to come back at the top of the

1599
01:51:48,102 --> 01:51:51,742
hour. We will resume just before 09:00 so for those.

1600
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:57,360
Taking. Got their swatch. Watch out. 858. We will resume.

1601
01:51:57,360 --> 01:51:57,800
We'll see you then.

1602
02:01:43,935 --> 02:01:47,615
All right. Welcome back. We're coming up to 09:00. And

1603
02:01:47,615 --> 02:01:50,495
when we started this journey this evening. There was a

1604
02:01:50,495 --> 02:01:58,430
request. Duly moved and seconded from councilor Brenner with support

1605
02:01:58,430 --> 02:02:02,990
from councilor Robinson, to. Alter our agenda this evening to

1606
02:02:02,990 --> 02:02:08,230
move up item 4.4, to move it up to the

1607
02:02:08,230 --> 02:02:12,030
top of the order, which will require a vote in

1608
02:02:12,030 --> 02:02:14,150
support of two thirds of majority, which in this case,

1609
02:02:14,150 --> 02:02:15,989
since there's only. Six of us tonight will require a

1610
02:02:15,989 --> 02:02:20,149
vote of four. So duly moved and seconded on a

1611
02:02:20,149 --> 02:02:22,669
request to alter the agenda to bring it forward. If

1612
02:02:22,669 --> 02:02:26,638
I could call the question. All those in favor. And

1613
02:02:26,638 --> 02:02:31,958
we have 412345, Counselor Butt. Thank you for that. All

1614
02:02:31,958 --> 02:02:36,924
right. Councilor Brennan, I do believe that you provided the

1615
02:02:36,924 --> 02:02:40,844
clerk with a motion. Andy, if I could. Ask you

1616
02:02:40,844 --> 02:02:43,676
to perhaps put that up on screen. For all of

1617
02:02:43,676 --> 02:02:47,137
us to follow along. And Councilor Brenner, if you would

1618
02:02:47,137 --> 02:02:53,077
like to read that out, please. And note that it

1619
02:02:53,077 --> 02:02:59,736
is seconded by Councilor Robinson. Thank you. I'm asking that

1620
02:02:59,736 --> 02:03:04,056
the official plan amendment OPA 230, zero, four p and

1621
02:03:04,056 --> 02:03:12,265
zoning bylaw Amendment application. 1023. Submitted by 133-4281 Ontario Limited

1622
02:03:12,265 --> 02:03:17,585
for the lands located at 720 Granite Court be refused,

1623
02:03:17,585 --> 02:03:23,865
and that should the official plan amendment OPA 23004 POPA

1624
02:03:23,865 --> 02:03:29,597
23. Four p and zoning bylaw amendment application A 1023.

1625
02:03:31,338 --> 02:03:38,378
ZBA a 1023 submitted by 133-4281 Ontario Limited for the

1626
02:03:38,378 --> 02:03:43,304
lands located at 720. Granite court be appealed to the

1627
02:03:43,304 --> 02:03:48,304
Ontario Municipal Ontario Land Tribunal that the council authorized city

1628
02:03:48,304 --> 02:03:51,864
staff its outside legal council and outside experts in the

1629
02:03:51,864 --> 02:03:56,224
fields of planning, transportation, environment, urban design and other specialties

1630
02:03:56,224 --> 02:03:59,864
as may be requested, to present and defend council's position

1631
02:03:59,864 --> 02:04:05,254
on Opa. 230 zero four P and a 1023 at

1632
02:04:05,254 --> 02:04:09,398
the Olt. If I might speak to it, madam chair.

1633
02:04:13,320 --> 02:04:20,046
You're muted. You're muted. Thank you. Just for those at

1634
02:04:20,046 --> 02:04:22,326
home. Noted, of course. Councilor Brenner, you can speak. To

1635
02:04:22,326 --> 02:04:26,242
this, but. We're only seeing the first two items in

1636
02:04:26,242 --> 02:04:32,062
the motion. It's not clear. We can't see the latter

1637
02:04:32,062 --> 02:04:36,516
part, but. You can speak to that now, Councilor brother.

1638
02:04:36,516 --> 02:04:40,646
Thank you very much, madam Chair. I don't want to

1639
02:04:40,646 --> 02:04:45,625
prolong. This. I'd like to put this dog out of

1640
02:04:45,625 --> 02:04:52,240
its misery. If I can use a paraphrase. Basically. The

1641
02:04:52,240 --> 02:04:56,400
situation as it sits. We have received a letter from,

1642
02:04:56,400 --> 02:04:58,280
and I want to start with that. First, we've received

1643
02:04:58,280 --> 02:05:05,816
a letter from Limbrook Industries on Granite court. And along

1644
02:05:05,816 --> 02:05:09,736
with all the concerns that we have heard from residents

1645
02:05:09,736 --> 02:05:12,456
throughout this process. And I want to start first with

1646
02:05:12,456 --> 02:05:16,896
businesses because Granite court is critical in terms of employment

1647
02:05:16,896 --> 02:05:22,700
base, in terms of trying to work to achieve. A

1648
02:05:22,700 --> 02:05:27,645
balanced approach to our non residential taxes, so. When you

1649
02:05:27,645 --> 02:05:30,805
get a group of companies that have been the backbone

1650
02:05:30,805 --> 02:05:35,165
for many, many years, and this municipality saying we don't

1651
02:05:35,165 --> 02:05:39,122
agree. It would behoove us not to hear and listen

1652
02:05:39,122 --> 02:05:43,502
to what they're saying. They are concerned that will have

1653
02:05:43,502 --> 02:05:50,564
significant impact regarding the transportation of goods. From the various

1654
02:05:50,564 --> 02:05:53,844
industries along granite cord. Yeah, I know that. There's been

1655
02:05:53,844 --> 02:05:58,297
a traffic study. I'm not an expert, but I am

1656
02:05:58,297 --> 02:06:03,097
relying on the expertise and the knowledge of our businesses.

1657
02:06:04,711 --> 02:06:07,431
These are multimillion dollar businesses that know what they're doing.

1658
02:06:09,034 --> 02:06:14,151
They would not normally object. To anything that pertains to

1659
02:06:14,151 --> 02:06:17,511
planning and residential if they did not believe it would

1660
02:06:17,511 --> 02:06:21,146
be detrimental. And I have to concur with them. It

1661
02:06:21,146 --> 02:06:25,567
will be detrimental. I do not want to see us

1662
02:06:25,567 --> 02:06:31,445
lose the confidence of the business communities. Granite court with

1663
02:06:31,445 --> 02:06:35,925
one of our first industrial core areas. That was trident

1664
02:06:35,925 --> 02:06:39,982
by the city of pickering. When it was built. I

1665
02:06:39,982 --> 02:06:44,347
get it. I understand what the land use is. And

1666
02:06:44,347 --> 02:06:48,094
what it says currently. But I also know that in

1667
02:06:48,094 --> 02:06:54,842
these circumstances, That it would behoove us not. To support

1668
02:06:54,842 --> 02:07:01,857
business. I remind all members of committee that. While. The

1669
02:07:01,857 --> 02:07:04,737
applicant may be citing the provincial policy statement as it

1670
02:07:04,737 --> 02:07:08,097
relates to housing. There are a couple of factors that

1671
02:07:08,097 --> 02:07:11,137
don't quite fit into that one is first and foremost.

1672
02:07:12,406 --> 02:07:17,216
Jobs, jobs, jobs. And that's what industry does in our

1673
02:07:17,216 --> 02:07:22,382
city, and that's what business does in our city. Secondly,

1674
02:07:22,382 --> 02:07:25,382
this is not the Kingston Road corridor. I know that

1675
02:07:25,382 --> 02:07:27,982
we've had many, many debates. And we'll continue to have

1676
02:07:27,982 --> 02:07:33,022
healthy debates regarding intensification along Kingston Road and in particular

1677
02:07:33,022 --> 02:07:37,618
the city center. That's where development needs to happen when

1678
02:07:37,618 --> 02:07:43,145
we talk about intensification. This really does not fit into

1679
02:07:43,145 --> 02:07:46,949
the community. Earlier tonight, we had a presentation, not about

1680
02:07:46,949 --> 02:07:50,309
this, from Craig Bamford, and there was that short little

1681
02:07:50,309 --> 02:07:53,948
video. We would be creating a community that would be

1682
02:07:53,948 --> 02:07:57,308
cut off. Yes, it would be able to cross. The

1683
02:07:57,308 --> 02:08:00,548
street and walk into another community. But this would be

1684
02:08:00,548 --> 02:08:07,675
isolated. This would be. A residential complex. In the middle

1685
02:08:07,675 --> 02:08:13,002
of an industrial area. That is not good planning. And

1686
02:08:13,002 --> 02:08:20,646
then finally. There was no affordability. I heard nothing throughout.

1687
02:08:21,765 --> 02:08:23,645
This process that would suggest to me that this was.

1688
02:08:25,332 --> 02:08:30,372
Going to help alleviate our rental crises, help alleviate the

1689
02:08:30,372 --> 02:08:33,932
lack of affordable housing in terms of the middle areas.

1690
02:08:33,932 --> 02:08:38,133
I heard nothing. So for all of those reasons, I'm

1691
02:08:38,133 --> 02:08:41,733
opposed. And I want to thank my seconder. For supporting

1692
02:08:41,733 --> 02:08:45,133
this and also the councilors that have also been getting

1693
02:08:45,133 --> 02:08:48,493
the same communications that I have been getting from the

1694
02:08:48,493 --> 02:08:52,536
community. And ask for your support to defeat this tonight.

1695
02:08:52,536 --> 02:08:56,187
And, madam chair, I'll ask for a recorded vote. Recorded

1696
02:08:56,187 --> 02:08:59,667
vote noted. Thank you, Councilor Brenner. Other members of committee

1697
02:08:59,667 --> 02:09:07,414
wishing to speak to this. Councilor pickles. Thank you, madam

1698
02:09:07,414 --> 02:09:11,144
Chair. I have to say, I'm a bit on the

1699
02:09:11,144 --> 02:09:19,616
fence on this one. Mr. Kyle. I keep saying. I

1700
02:09:19,616 --> 02:09:22,935
keep thinking of Dr. Kyle at the region. Sorry. Mr.

1701
02:09:22,935 --> 02:09:31,461
Bentley. If the staff report. Supports this residential development on

1702
02:09:31,461 --> 02:09:39,918
this piece of land, correct? That's correct. So. If it

1703
02:09:39,918 --> 02:09:44,726
isn't? Residential. Or maybe the question is what form of

1704
02:09:44,726 --> 02:09:52,964
residential. Or other use. Could staff conceive. Would be appropriate

1705
02:09:52,964 --> 02:09:56,324
for the site audit. Be commercial, because I know we've

1706
02:09:56,324 --> 02:09:58,684
had a proposal. For commercial data that wasn't received by

1707
02:09:58,684 --> 02:10:05,114
the neighborhood. Or could it be an industrial use? If

1708
02:10:05,114 --> 02:10:08,914
council refuses this this evening, what would you suggest goes

1709
02:10:08,914 --> 02:10:12,094
there? I think you're asking us to speculate, councilor, to

1710
02:10:12,094 --> 02:10:14,694
some degree, but we can. Give some context. I believe

1711
02:10:14,694 --> 02:10:18,934
there was a previous nonresidential application and maybe Neilish can

1712
02:10:18,934 --> 02:10:22,775
speak to that. That wasn't that long ago. Thank you,

1713
02:10:22,775 --> 02:10:27,775
Mr. Bentley. Councilor Pickles. If councilor chooses to deny these

1714
02:10:27,775 --> 02:10:30,935
applications, the current zoning permits for commercial plaza on the

1715
02:10:30,935 --> 02:10:34,455
site. So Foodstore retail stores that would be the default.

1716
02:10:34,455 --> 02:10:39,568
Sort of current uses. The applicant could come back. And

1717
02:10:39,568 --> 02:10:43,008
look to do a rezoning application for a residential residential

1718
02:10:43,008 --> 02:10:47,366
development in accordance with our official plan policies. That may

1719
02:10:47,366 --> 02:10:49,926
be a townhouse type development or a staff type of

1720
02:10:49,926 --> 02:10:53,486
development with a reduced overall density. So that would be

1721
02:10:53,486 --> 02:10:56,286
another option that they could come back or look to

1722
02:10:56,286 --> 02:11:01,526
do alternative sort. Of land uses, like office buildings or

1723
02:11:01,526 --> 02:11:06,689
something along that line. If I recall, wasn't the previous

1724
02:11:06,689 --> 02:11:13,953
application for a major food store? Or retail. There was.

1725
02:11:14,811 --> 02:11:17,171
A concern to the neighborhood. And I think even in

1726
02:11:17,171 --> 02:11:24,491
this report, it cited that vehicle movements, traffic. Would be

1727
02:11:24,491 --> 02:11:29,536
eight times greater than. What this proposed residential would be,

1728
02:11:29,536 --> 02:11:32,176
so it wasn't well received by the neighborhood either. Am

1729
02:11:32,176 --> 02:11:36,927
I correct? That is correct. There were multiple iterations. There

1730
02:11:36,927 --> 02:11:40,207
was originally a residential proposal for high density that was

1731
02:11:40,207 --> 02:11:46,333
turned down subsequently. Later, there was. To do a commercial,

1732
02:11:46,333 --> 02:11:48,933
and then we received the site plan application to do

1733
02:11:48,933 --> 02:11:53,077
the commercial component as well. That plan was sort of

1734
02:11:53,077 --> 02:11:56,477
abandoned eventually. So now the April has come back to

1735
02:11:56,477 --> 02:12:01,357
relook. At it for a residential development. You're correct. From

1736
02:12:01,357 --> 02:12:07,567
a transportation and traffic perspective. Commercial development would generate. Significantly

1737
02:12:07,567 --> 02:12:11,567
more traffic than a residential development, and typically the pattern

1738
02:12:11,567 --> 02:12:17,084
of traffic flows are different. Compared to a residential and

1739
02:12:17,084 --> 02:12:22,604
a commercial development as well. What if it were converted

1740
02:12:22,604 --> 02:12:31,789
to more of. A commercial industrial use like. The industrial

1741
02:12:31,789 --> 02:12:35,574
plaza to the west. Another Landbrook or something like that.

1742
02:12:36,878 --> 02:12:40,598
When you introduce commercial and residential or industrial residential within

1743
02:12:40,598 --> 02:12:42,518
the same land use that there may be land use

1744
02:12:42,518 --> 02:12:48,293
compatibility issues. From that context perspective, There could be an

1745
02:12:48,293 --> 02:12:51,373
opportunity to do mixed use development, some residential and some

1746
02:12:51,373 --> 02:12:55,733
commercial on that property. In accordance with their official plan

1747
02:12:55,733 --> 02:12:59,213
policies. But all of them, all of those type of

1748
02:12:59,213 --> 02:13:02,933
developments do generate some form of traffic and a level

1749
02:13:02,933 --> 02:13:06,293
of traffic. It is a developable parcel of land. At

1750
02:13:06,293 --> 02:13:13,336
the end of the day. Okay. Thank you for that.

1751
02:13:17,135 --> 02:13:20,455
I'll probably support Councilor Brenner in this, but I'm very

1752
02:13:20,455 --> 02:13:22,415
close. To being on the fence, and I'll probably have

1753
02:13:22,415 --> 02:13:29,970
some. Further discussions between now. And the council meeting, but

1754
02:13:29,970 --> 02:13:32,090
I'll wait to hear from other members of the committee

1755
02:13:32,090 --> 02:13:34,690
before. I make my final decision this evening. Thank you.

1756
02:13:36,238 --> 02:13:41,775
Thank you, Councilor Pickles. Anyone else on committee? Councilor robinson.

1757
02:13:44,100 --> 02:13:49,213
Yes. Thank you, madam Chair. I think this is a

1758
02:13:49,213 --> 02:13:53,119
great proposal. To finally put this to rest. I mean,

1759
02:13:53,119 --> 02:13:55,479
the people have been speaking about this for the last

1760
02:13:55,479 --> 02:13:58,473
couple of years. How much they do not want to

1761
02:13:58,473 --> 02:14:00,913
have this here. I'm going to come with a different,

1762
02:14:00,913 --> 02:14:03,553
a little bit of a different approach than councillor Brenner

1763
02:14:03,553 --> 02:14:08,020
did. More of safety. As a resident who lives right

1764
02:14:08,020 --> 02:14:11,980
here in the immediate area, someone who drives this intersection

1765
02:14:11,980 --> 02:14:14,620
every single day and sees firsthand what's happening on the

1766
02:14:14,620 --> 02:14:19,548
ground. I don't need a consultant's traffic model because I

1767
02:14:19,548 --> 02:14:24,428
live the reality, and this proposal is a disaster waiting

1768
02:14:24,428 --> 02:14:27,268
to happen. In my opinion, as it goes through, you

1769
02:14:27,268 --> 02:14:31,635
will be putting lives at risk. The traffic study provided,

1770
02:14:31,635 --> 02:14:34,235
I think, is flawed. It's out of touch and it's

1771
02:14:34,235 --> 02:14:37,755
frankly insulting to anyone who drives these streets. Here, in

1772
02:14:37,755 --> 02:14:42,915
this neighborhood, they say traffic congestion is acceptable. But of

1773
02:14:42,915 --> 02:14:45,275
course they do, because they're the ones that are profiting

1774
02:14:45,275 --> 02:14:48,555
from the project. And I really don't want to sugarcoat

1775
02:14:48,555 --> 02:14:51,453
this because I just think that. Is a lot of

1776
02:14:51,453 --> 02:14:55,722
Bs. The truth is, cars are already backed up. Sometimes

1777
02:14:55,722 --> 02:14:59,282
they're backed up all the way to the storage facility.

1778
02:14:59,282 --> 02:15:01,722
I have, like 40 cars in front of me. Sometimes

1779
02:15:01,722 --> 02:15:05,495
just when I'm going to the school. The left turns

1780
02:15:05,495 --> 02:15:08,655
require multiple green light sometimes to get through the intersection.

1781
02:15:10,730 --> 02:15:12,570
And even though they want to put in a double

1782
02:15:12,570 --> 02:15:15,210
left lane, it's going to cause a lot of accidents

1783
02:15:15,210 --> 02:15:17,730
on that corner from people making right turns with the

1784
02:15:17,730 --> 02:15:23,376
advance going from the opposite direction. Emergency vehicles would be

1785
02:15:23,376 --> 02:15:30,113
trapped because there is so much congestion. And residents. Your

1786
02:15:30,113 --> 02:15:33,193
constituents. They're stuck in gridlock with no solution in sight.

1787
02:15:33,193 --> 02:15:35,513
And what really happens? In this community is when there's

1788
02:15:35,513 --> 02:15:38,873
a minor accident on the 401. It doesn't. Even have

1789
02:15:38,873 --> 02:15:40,273
to be a major one. It could just be a

1790
02:15:40,273 --> 02:15:44,753
minor one. Kingston Road gets gridlocked. Bran at Twainville, Rose

1791
02:15:44,753 --> 02:15:47,953
bank, white throat all the way over Rouge mount. Get

1792
02:15:47,953 --> 02:15:50,803
all lucked up and residents. Can't even get out of

1793
02:15:50,803 --> 02:15:53,994
their driveways. I've sat there for ten minutes trying to

1794
02:15:53,994 --> 02:15:56,034
get out of my driveway and there's. Been other times

1795
02:15:56,034 --> 02:15:58,754
where I've just gone to the catholic school and it's.

1796
02:15:58,754 --> 02:16:02,394
Taken me almost 50 minutes to get home, which normally

1797
02:16:02,394 --> 02:16:07,637
takes less than 60 seconds. Well, two minutes. Really? It's

1798
02:16:07,637 --> 02:16:11,877
because West Shore and South Rosebank, they become parking lots.

1799
02:16:11,877 --> 02:16:15,397
Now you want a 252 units and hundreds of more

1800
02:16:15,397 --> 02:16:18,517
cars right on the choke point. I think it's reckless.

1801
02:16:18,517 --> 02:16:21,437
And I think it's dangerous. And from there, it even

1802
02:16:21,437 --> 02:16:24,037
gets worse because there's only two ways in and out

1803
02:16:24,037 --> 02:16:28,413
of Seth Rose bank. Two. Ways. That's it. So we

1804
02:16:28,413 --> 02:16:31,774
also know at the other entrance, At Kingston Road and

1805
02:16:31,774 --> 02:16:34,694
Rouge Mount. They want to put up a couple of

1806
02:16:34,694 --> 02:16:40,941
condo towers there as well. So you're basically boxing people

1807
02:16:40,941 --> 02:16:43,621
in. If we go ahead with this, you're cutting off

1808
02:16:43,621 --> 02:16:46,541
escape routes, and in the event of a fire, a

1809
02:16:46,541 --> 02:16:51,501
crash, or even a nuclear emergency, people will die because

1810
02:16:51,501 --> 02:16:54,021
you will not be able to get out. And that's

1811
02:16:54,021 --> 02:16:56,981
not an exaggeration. That is a reality when roads are

1812
02:16:56,981 --> 02:17:00,208
bl. Blocked and time is running out in those situations.

1813
02:17:01,419 --> 02:17:05,059
So this isn't about traffic flow, this is about public

1814
02:17:05,059 --> 02:17:09,499
safety. And it being a failure in the making. West

1815
02:17:09,499 --> 02:17:13,139
Shore doesn't want this south rose bank. Residents. They clearly

1816
02:17:13,139 --> 02:17:17,173
don't want this. Knowing in the community has asked for

1817
02:17:17,173 --> 02:17:23,148
this. So. Why do we even have zoning bylaws if

1818
02:17:23,148 --> 02:17:28,028
developers can just walt in, ask for 165% density increase

1819
02:17:28,028 --> 02:17:30,628
and get a green light. What is the point of

1820
02:17:30,628 --> 02:17:33,868
even having these bylaws? Zoning bylaws are supposed to protect

1821
02:17:33,868 --> 02:17:38,388
us. They're meant to reflect our community's. Vision, our infrastructure

1822
02:17:38,388 --> 02:17:44,070
limits and our. Emergency preparedness. If we keep bending them,

1823
02:17:44,070 --> 02:17:47,584
then they're going to mean nothing. This proposal isn't a

1824
02:17:47,584 --> 02:17:52,344
gentle intensification, as they call it. It's irresponsible. It's overdevelopment

1825
02:17:52,344 --> 02:17:54,744
in a choke point corridor during the time when we

1826
02:17:54,744 --> 02:17:58,424
need smart growth, not developer windfalls, we should be building

1827
02:17:58,424 --> 02:18:03,060
communities and not congesting them. And I would really hope

1828
02:18:03,060 --> 02:18:06,300
that we can get all of council's support on this

1829
02:18:06,300 --> 02:18:10,340
and. For what you were speaking to before about other

1830
02:18:10,340 --> 02:18:12,620
uses in the area, I mean, sure, a great little

1831
02:18:12,620 --> 02:18:16,900
townhouse complex would be great in that area. Or, yes,

1832
02:18:16,900 --> 02:18:19,700
maybe even a grocery store if we could figure that

1833
02:18:19,700 --> 02:18:23,665
dynamic out because. There are no grocery stores in this

1834
02:18:23,665 --> 02:18:27,251
area. Seth, of the 401. But those are just my

1835
02:18:27,251 --> 02:18:29,891
suggestions. But thank you very much, madam Chair, for your

1836
02:18:29,891 --> 02:18:32,011
time. I appreciate it. And thank you very much, Councilor

1837
02:18:32,011 --> 02:18:36,651
Brenner, for bringing this forward. Thank you, councilor. Robinson. Really

1838
02:18:36,651 --> 02:18:39,971
great and valid points there, councilor, but I did see

1839
02:18:39,971 --> 02:18:43,920
you with your hand. Up as well. Yes, ma'am. Thank

1840
02:18:43,920 --> 02:18:47,569
you. Just. My few cents on this one here. I

1841
02:18:47,569 --> 02:18:51,449
believe the award counselors are not in favor of. This

1842
02:18:51,449 --> 02:18:54,209
application. And if we can recall this, I think at

1843
02:18:54,209 --> 02:18:59,858
the time of our council chambers, When many residents. With

1844
02:18:59,858 --> 02:19:01,738
the same application came in, and there were many, many

1845
02:19:01,738 --> 02:19:06,252
delegates who spoke against this application here. So I think

1846
02:19:06,252 --> 02:19:08,172
one of the delegates, when I spoke on it, there

1847
02:19:08,172 --> 02:19:12,452
hasn't been much changes other than maybe, perhaps slight adjustment

1848
02:19:12,452 --> 02:19:16,492
to the building and structure itself. And I quite agree

1849
02:19:16,492 --> 02:19:20,012
with councilor Brenda when he speaks about our businesses, I

1850
02:19:20,012 --> 02:19:23,292
think. They've been here, and I think we want to

1851
02:19:23,292 --> 02:19:25,812
be loyal to them, and we want to make sure

1852
02:19:25,812 --> 02:19:29,252
that we honor them, because I think many businesses are

1853
02:19:29,252 --> 02:19:31,852
out there and have been there for quite some time,

1854
02:19:31,852 --> 02:19:35,572
so I am going to support Constant Brennan's motion here

1855
02:19:35,572 --> 02:19:40,969
tonight. Thank you, madam chair. Thank you, councilor, but. I

1856
02:19:40,969 --> 02:19:43,729
just have one point as well that I think the

1857
02:19:43,729 --> 02:19:48,363
majority of us have already touched on. And councilor Robinson

1858
02:19:48,363 --> 02:19:53,203
brought forward is the density. Fundamentally, I have always had

1859
02:19:53,203 --> 02:20:00,538
an issue. When we see requests to make significant. Alterations

1860
02:20:00,538 --> 02:20:05,239
to density and in this particular. Recommendation if you read

1861
02:20:05,239 --> 02:20:11,214
the initial. Number one. The request is to increase the

1862
02:20:11,214 --> 02:20:16,414
maximum net residential density from 80 to 213 units per

1863
02:20:16,414 --> 02:20:20,880
hectare. That is more than. Double. I mean, that is

1864
02:20:20,880 --> 02:20:26,840
a significant increase, from 80 to 213. That's not gentle.

1865
02:20:26,840 --> 02:20:30,600
That is high intensification in an area, as my colleagues

1866
02:20:30,600 --> 02:20:36,475
have pointed out. Is really not optimal to handle. A

1867
02:20:36,475 --> 02:20:40,177
significant density increase like this. And I pointed this out

1868
02:20:40,177 --> 02:20:43,297
before and made comments to our planning department that once

1869
02:20:43,297 --> 02:20:48,094
we open this door. An increased density of this nature

1870
02:20:48,094 --> 02:20:51,174
for one particular development. Where does it begin or where

1871
02:20:51,174 --> 02:20:53,774
does it end rather, because it changes the ceiling of

1872
02:20:53,774 --> 02:20:56,134
what is the art of the possible when we're. Talking

1873
02:20:56,134 --> 02:20:59,454
about density, so I have a fundamental issue with that.

1874
02:20:59,454 --> 02:21:02,134
I won't belabor. The point. I think we all know

1875
02:21:02,134 --> 02:21:05,334
where we are on this, and Councilor Brenner. Has requested.

1876
02:21:06,161 --> 02:21:09,841
A recorded vote. So, madam. Oh, I'm sorry. Councilor pickles.

1877
02:21:09,841 --> 02:21:15,574
Yes, sir. At the beginning, one councilor Brunner began speaking.

1878
02:21:17,635 --> 02:21:19,995
You had made comment that you didn't see the entire

1879
02:21:19,995 --> 02:21:24,839
motion on the screen. I've got it. Okay, I see

1880
02:21:24,839 --> 02:21:27,279
it. So there is items one too. There isn't any

1881
02:21:27,279 --> 02:21:30,199
others, and I'm. Not missing anything. You're not missing anything?

1882
02:21:30,199 --> 02:21:33,759
No. I apologize. It's the view that I have as

1883
02:21:33,759 --> 02:21:35,919
chair of the meeting. It's just a slight clarity I

1884
02:21:35,919 --> 02:21:37,759
wanted. To make sure I wasn't missing anything. Thank you.

1885
02:21:37,759 --> 02:21:39,919
I appreciate that. Thank you for taking care of me.

1886
02:21:41,796 --> 02:21:44,436
Madam Clerk, if I could ask you to take the

1887
02:21:44,436 --> 02:21:52,533
recorded vote role, please. Councilor brenner. On refusal. Yes. Councilor

1888
02:21:52,533 --> 02:21:58,689
butt. Same on refusal. Yes, councilor Cook. Yes. On this

1889
02:21:58,689 --> 02:22:03,889
proposed motion, which is a refusal. Yes. Councilor pickles. Yes.

1890
02:22:03,889 --> 02:22:10,497
Councilor Robinson. On refusal. Yes, Mayor hash? Yes. Madam Chair.

1891
02:22:10,497 --> 02:22:14,575
That's carried unanimously. Thank you all for your participation. We

1892
02:22:14,575 --> 02:22:17,695
are going to go back to the regular order of

1893
02:22:17,695 --> 02:22:22,657
things. We do have three additional items this evening. That

1894
02:22:22,657 --> 02:22:25,417
are on our agenda. So we are going to go

1895
02:22:25,417 --> 02:22:30,523
back to what would now be item 4.1, which. Is.

1896
02:22:32,859 --> 02:22:37,019
Our recommendation from our directors. City development and CBO report

1897
02:22:37,019 --> 02:22:42,153
PLM 1325 and with that. We do have a delegation.

1898
02:22:43,381 --> 02:22:47,941
From paul lowe's, who is the principal for sgl planning

1899
02:22:47,941 --> 02:22:53,889
and design, inc. In reference to pln 1325. And paul.

1900
02:22:55,767 --> 02:22:57,967
You are free to begin your delegation. I see we've

1901
02:22:57,967 --> 02:23:01,122
got. Your proposal up. Let's just make sure we can

1902
02:23:01,122 --> 02:23:04,980
hear from you. Yes. Can you hear me? Madam chair.

1903
02:23:04,980 --> 02:23:06,940
We can. Thank you very much, sir. You can go

1904
02:23:06,940 --> 02:23:10,980
ahead. Fantastic. Thank you. Good evening, madam chair, members of

1905
02:23:10,980 --> 02:23:13,460
planning committee. My name is Paul Lowe's. And I'm a

1906
02:23:13,460 --> 02:23:16,340
principal of SEO planning and design, and we've been retained

1907
02:23:16,340 --> 02:23:19,180
by the city of Pickering as a project managers for

1908
02:23:19,180 --> 02:23:22,620
the Northeast Pickering secondary plan study. So we've been working

1909
02:23:22,620 --> 02:23:25,929
closely. With city staff over the last couple of years

1910
02:23:25,929 --> 02:23:30,403
on moving. This secondary plan forward. So next slide, please.

1911
02:23:32,094 --> 02:23:34,974
Thank you. So just so everybody's aware, and I'm sure.

1912
02:23:34,974 --> 02:23:37,134
Certainly, sure you are. Because we've been at this for

1913
02:23:37,134 --> 02:23:41,054
a while. The project area, of course, is in northeast.

1914
02:23:41,054 --> 02:23:45,134
Pickering. As shown on the map in the brown area.

1915
02:23:45,134 --> 02:23:51,182
It comprises approximately 16 land. And these lands, as you've

1916
02:23:51,182 --> 02:23:54,942
heard earlier tonight from other delegates, were included in envision.

1917
02:23:54,942 --> 02:23:58,142
Durham the Durham Region official plan as a settlement area

1918
02:23:58,142 --> 02:24:03,262
boundary expansion with the intent to accommodate growth to 2051.

1919
02:24:03,262 --> 02:24:06,422
So what we're doing is the next step. Now, that's

1920
02:24:06,422 --> 02:24:10,618
included. In the urban area as a settlement expansion. We're

1921
02:24:10,618 --> 02:24:12,658
looking at trying to create what the land uses will

1922
02:24:12,658 --> 02:24:16,178
be the secondary plan. The more detailed lanyards for this

1923
02:24:16,178 --> 02:24:20,872
new community. Next slide, please. So what is the outcome

1924
02:24:20,872 --> 02:24:24,112
of the project? Well, is to develop detailed land uses

1925
02:24:24,112 --> 02:24:32,024
and a framework. For how these lands will develop. It

1926
02:24:32,024 --> 02:24:36,220
will create. A new complete community comprising both of residential

1927
02:24:36,220 --> 02:24:42,740
community lands, those supporting lands of commercial parks, community facilities

1928
02:24:42,740 --> 02:24:48,517
as well as employment opportunities. And. It's been developed through

1929
02:24:48,517 --> 02:24:53,477
detailed work of environmental servicing and transportation work, including a

1930
02:24:53,477 --> 02:24:58,924
subwashed study that's still ongoing. More fulsome servicing and transportation

1931
02:24:58,924 --> 02:25:02,823
work. Will be undertaken for the preferred plan that will

1932
02:25:02,823 --> 02:25:07,225
be presented to you tonight. Next slide, please. So where

1933
02:25:07,225 --> 02:25:14,767
we're at is in phase two. Phase one? Was development

1934
02:25:14,767 --> 02:25:18,525
of vision and principles and we had a pic. Public

1935
02:25:18,525 --> 02:25:21,685
information center in phase one, then phase two, we developed

1936
02:25:21,685 --> 02:25:24,285
a whole series of background studies and we came up

1937
02:25:24,285 --> 02:25:27,365
with three land use options and evaluation criteria, which I'm

1938
02:25:27,365 --> 02:25:29,325
going to briefly. Present to you tonight. And we had

1939
02:25:29,325 --> 02:25:33,685
another public information center last year on that, and now

1940
02:25:33,685 --> 02:25:35,965
we've been evaluating those options and come up with a

1941
02:25:35,965 --> 02:25:39,183
preferred land use option, which. We're going to have a

1942
02:25:39,183 --> 02:25:43,562
third pic later this month. The next phase. Phase three

1943
02:25:43,562 --> 02:25:46,882
will be developing the secondary plan policies and the detailed

1944
02:25:46,882 --> 02:25:51,482
land use schedule. Having. A public statutory public meeting at

1945
02:25:51,482 --> 02:25:55,002
that time, and then finally having council adopt the secondary

1946
02:25:55,002 --> 02:25:59,084
plan in phase four. Next slide, please. So, as I

1947
02:25:59,084 --> 02:26:02,924
said, we've had two public information centers so far, one

1948
02:26:02,924 --> 02:26:07,404
in May 2023. One in March 2024. We presented those

1949
02:26:07,404 --> 02:26:11,084
alternatives. So far we've had responses from over 200 people.

1950
02:26:14,469 --> 02:26:17,509
What we've heard so far was items such as prior

1951
02:26:17,509 --> 02:26:20,829
toys of protection, not your heritage. Ensure balanced mix of

1952
02:26:20,829 --> 02:26:25,269
employment and residential. Promote a walkable downtown, which means creating

1953
02:26:25,269 --> 02:26:28,709
a walkable downtown. And sure, Greenwood community, which we have

1954
02:26:28,709 --> 02:26:31,589
heard about tonight, is well connected. We've also heard about

1955
02:26:31,589 --> 02:26:34,842
trying to create a transition in housing form. Forms and

1956
02:26:34,842 --> 02:26:38,522
density between the new urban area and the existing Greenwood

1957
02:26:38,522 --> 02:26:43,562
community. Promote east west connections to address traffic engagement, indigenous

1958
02:26:43,562 --> 02:26:48,242
communities, and promote commercial employment uses along 407. Next slide,

1959
02:26:48,242 --> 02:26:53,851
please. More specifically on the three concepts, things that we

1960
02:26:53,851 --> 02:26:56,858
heard. On each of the concepts. I won't go through

1961
02:26:56,858 --> 02:27:01,809
each. Matter. But what we heard was support and option

1962
02:27:01,809 --> 02:27:07,154
one for Centralized regional center and walkability. Support for more

1963
02:27:07,154 --> 02:27:13,256
concentrated amenities. Option two. We heard support for walkability along

1964
02:27:13,256 --> 02:27:16,820
the medium density corridors, which you'll see. We also heard

1965
02:27:16,820 --> 02:27:20,060
support for integration of employment areas adjacent to Highway 407

1966
02:27:20,060 --> 02:27:25,122
interchanges and concept three we heard about. Support for straddling

1967
02:27:25,122 --> 02:27:30,244
the employment along Highway 407. Also preference for smaller parks

1968
02:27:30,244 --> 02:27:33,124
for walkable communities. So we've heard a lot of input.

1969
02:27:33,124 --> 02:27:36,244
That we've taken into account in our review and evaluation

1970
02:27:36,244 --> 02:27:40,637
of the options. Next slide, please. Before I get into

1971
02:27:40,637 --> 02:27:43,428
the options, I just want to recap. Some of the

1972
02:27:43,428 --> 02:27:46,068
key elements we've presented before. One is the vision, and

1973
02:27:46,068 --> 02:27:49,788
the vision hasn't changed since the phase one, which is

1974
02:27:49,788 --> 02:27:52,468
the area is to be a holistically planned the complete

1975
02:27:52,468 --> 02:27:56,788
community focusing on well being, sustainability of the natural environment.

1976
02:27:58,254 --> 02:28:02,214
Accomplished through innovative approaches to community center design, really alternative

1977
02:28:02,214 --> 02:28:06,094
approaches to community design stewardship. And it's to be a

1978
02:28:06,094 --> 02:28:11,574
multi, multi generational community, economic, diverse community, vibrant public spaces

1979
02:28:11,574 --> 02:28:14,534
and walkable neighborhoods. And this is really important because it

1980
02:28:14,534 --> 02:28:16,614
is separate from the rest of pick, ring and it

1981
02:28:16,614 --> 02:28:20,398
really needs to. Stand on its own. As a unique,

1982
02:28:20,398 --> 02:28:25,625
standalone, complete community. Next slide, please. And as part of

1983
02:28:25,625 --> 02:28:30,110
that phase one, we developed a series of principles. As

1984
02:28:30,110 --> 02:28:34,870
you see here, multigenerational, vibrant public spaces connected, walkable land

1985
02:28:34,870 --> 02:28:38,590
stewardship, economic diversity. Those principles have guided us through the

1986
02:28:38,590 --> 02:28:42,010
development of the options and the evaluation. Next slide, please.

1987
02:28:43,896 --> 02:28:46,896
So we've developed three land use concepts last year, which

1988
02:28:46,896 --> 02:28:51,536
we presented to the public at our last pic, and

1989
02:28:51,536 --> 02:28:55,496
these were based on three different themes generally. One was

1990
02:28:55,496 --> 02:29:03,021
a more of environmental focused, although. All options contain the

1991
02:29:03,021 --> 02:29:07,301
same amount of protected natural features. Second was the transit

1992
02:29:07,301 --> 02:29:09,421
focused and the third was a neighborhood focus. So I

1993
02:29:09,421 --> 02:29:11,421
just want to quickly walk you through those options, and

1994
02:29:11,421 --> 02:29:14,341
then quickly. Walk you through our preferred option. So, next

1995
02:29:14,341 --> 02:29:18,922
slide, please. What you find similar in all options. Is

1996
02:29:18,922 --> 02:29:21,602
that based on Envision Durham? We had to provide for

1997
02:29:21,602 --> 02:29:26,202
basically a minimum of 45,000 persons and 4300 jobs in

1998
02:29:26,202 --> 02:29:31,176
the community areas. Meeting a minimum density of 52 persons

1999
02:29:31,176 --> 02:29:35,136
and jobs overall, the community actually can achieve on all

2000
02:29:35,136 --> 02:29:38,376
three of these options in around 70,000 people, so we're

2001
02:29:38,376 --> 02:29:41,336
well in excess of the minimum that vision derm envisioned.

2002
02:29:42,811 --> 02:29:46,731
We also were providing for 6600 jobs in the employment

2003
02:29:46,731 --> 02:29:51,379
area. Now that employment area definitions change, but basically was

2004
02:29:51,379 --> 02:29:57,648
to accommodate 249 ha as identified through envision. Durham. What's

2005
02:29:57,648 --> 02:29:59,448
also the same in all options is a natural heritage

2006
02:29:59,448 --> 02:30:01,688
system, as you see here. Which has been developed through

2007
02:30:01,688 --> 02:30:05,528
the subwatershed study that's underway, and it's entering phase two

2008
02:30:05,528 --> 02:30:09,234
of the subwatership study. We also have a minimum of

2009
02:30:09,234 --> 02:30:14,194
approximately 62 parkland that we calculated based on parkland dedication.

2010
02:30:14,194 --> 02:30:18,696
Requirements. And we're also envisioning a higher order transit along

2011
02:30:18,696 --> 02:30:21,776
Highway 407. Or as you can see some of the

2012
02:30:21,776 --> 02:30:25,016
options north of 407 on a new transit quarter, so

2013
02:30:25,016 --> 02:30:27,576
let's walk through quickly. Those three options. Next slide, please.

2014
02:30:29,189 --> 02:30:31,829
First of all, the concept one, which is an environmental

2015
02:30:31,829 --> 02:30:34,629
focus, what we're trying to do here is preserve and

2016
02:30:34,629 --> 02:30:37,069
enhance as much as possible in natural hair system. So

2017
02:30:37,069 --> 02:30:42,200
you see a lot. Fewer collector roads. Them trying not

2018
02:30:42,200 --> 02:30:45,240
to across the natural heritage system and keep that natural

2019
02:30:45,240 --> 02:30:51,212
herrier system more. Unaffected. We have one large residential community

2020
02:30:51,212 --> 02:30:56,216
north of Highway 407 and. A smaller residential community around

2021
02:30:56,216 --> 02:30:58,296
Greenwood, which is a much lower, it would be much

2022
02:30:58,296 --> 02:31:01,696
lower density around that area and the linear employment area

2023
02:31:01,696 --> 02:31:05,880
on the south side of 407. We have a center,

2024
02:31:05,880 --> 02:31:10,680
regional center at 7th concession in Salem, basically, where the

2025
02:31:10,680 --> 02:31:13,720
regional Fisher plan vision Derma already had a regional center.

2026
02:31:15,081 --> 02:31:19,521
So recognizing that, and then we have a very large

2027
02:31:19,521 --> 02:31:22,521
park, community park right next to it in a high

2028
02:31:22,521 --> 02:31:27,321
school, so real central location for community facilities and our

2029
02:31:27,321 --> 02:31:32,366
higher density mixed use development. The parks are generally located

2030
02:31:32,366 --> 02:31:34,606
adjacent to the natural hair system. To build on that

2031
02:31:34,606 --> 02:31:39,246
green space and new collectors provide connectivity to larger blocks,

2032
02:31:39,246 --> 02:31:41,766
but you'll see a lot fewer of them than in

2033
02:31:41,766 --> 02:31:47,004
other options. Go to option two, please. Next slide. An

2034
02:31:47,004 --> 02:31:50,684
option two or concept two. We call it transit focused,

2035
02:31:50,684 --> 02:31:53,724
and so it's focused on a couple of matters. One,

2036
02:31:53,724 --> 02:32:00,405
we have. East West New arterior road north of Highway

2037
02:32:00,405 --> 02:32:03,685
407 between 407 and 7th, concession. This will be a

2038
02:32:03,685 --> 02:32:08,229
transit spine in this location. And then you'll see a

2039
02:32:08,229 --> 02:32:11,429
lot more collector Nartera roads creating a real fine grid

2040
02:32:11,429 --> 02:32:14,789
of collecting arterial roads to create more transit supportive through

2041
02:32:14,789 --> 02:32:18,069
busways. So it's a kind of opposite of option one

2042
02:32:18,069 --> 02:32:20,309
in terms of the amount of collector roads. So creating

2043
02:32:20,309 --> 02:32:24,134
that dense network. You also see two separate employment areas

2044
02:32:24,134 --> 02:32:28,249
in this one. Adjacent to Lake Ridge Road and the

2045
02:32:28,249 --> 02:32:31,569
interchange there and adjacent to Westney Road and a potential

2046
02:32:31,569 --> 02:32:36,432
future interchange in that location. And the central area being

2047
02:32:36,432 --> 02:32:39,872
all one community rate right through from highway seven up

2048
02:32:39,872 --> 02:32:44,901
to the 8th. Concession. Next slide, please. In concept three,

2049
02:32:44,901 --> 02:32:50,855
the neighborhood focus option. This option. What we've done is

2050
02:32:50,855 --> 02:32:55,815
created basically two communities, a southern community, which is around

2051
02:32:55,815 --> 02:33:01,135
Greenwood and Long highway seven and then employment on north

2052
02:33:01,135 --> 02:33:05,055
and south sides of 407. Take advantage of wherever that

2053
02:33:05,055 --> 02:33:07,575
new interchange may be, whether it's at Salem or at

2054
02:33:07,575 --> 02:33:11,271
Westney. And focus. Focusing that on the employment along the

2055
02:33:11,271 --> 02:33:15,949
highway to take advantage of that visibility. This option. Rather

2056
02:33:15,949 --> 02:33:19,869
than one regional downtown center, we've come up with three

2057
02:33:19,869 --> 02:33:24,396
different community nodes. Two in the north. Community. One in

2058
02:33:24,396 --> 02:33:27,836
the southern community, you see one's long Salem. The other

2059
02:33:27,836 --> 02:33:31,770
two are along. The 7th concession. And a few or

2060
02:33:31,770 --> 02:33:36,050
more roads than option one, but fewer new roads than

2061
02:33:36,050 --> 02:33:42,294
an option. Two. So, next slide, please. So from those

2062
02:33:42,294 --> 02:33:47,948
concepts, we presented those to the public last spring. A

2063
02:33:47,948 --> 02:33:51,668
year ago March. We've been working on the subwatershed study

2064
02:33:51,668 --> 02:33:54,828
in that time. And we also been evaluating the options.

2065
02:33:54,828 --> 02:33:58,668
So we created up a series of criteria based on

2066
02:33:58,668 --> 02:34:03,068
the five principles that I outlined earlier, and we've evaluated

2067
02:34:03,068 --> 02:34:06,988
those options. And the preferred option is not necessarily concept

2068
02:34:06,988 --> 02:34:09,369
one, two or three. But it ended up being a

2069
02:34:09,369 --> 02:34:12,129
hybrid of each, and I'm not going to go through

2070
02:34:12,129 --> 02:34:14,609
in detail the evaluation criteria at all, because it's quite

2071
02:34:14,609 --> 02:34:16,729
lengthy and it's in our report, but I'm just going

2072
02:34:16,729 --> 02:34:19,569
to highlight some of the criteria in the next slide.

2073
02:34:19,569 --> 02:34:23,756
Please. So you'll see in each one. We've got the

2074
02:34:23,756 --> 02:34:26,596
principles, like multigenerational, and then we have a series of

2075
02:34:26,596 --> 02:34:29,636
criteria under it. Connect in walkabille. That principle. A series

2076
02:34:29,636 --> 02:34:33,121
of criteria. Next slide, please. The same.

2077
02:34:39,652 --> 02:34:43,412
for the other three principles we have criterion measures for

2078
02:34:43,412 --> 02:34:48,252
each that went into in a detailed evaluation matrix and

2079
02:34:48,252 --> 02:34:50,532
what we had did in that valuation it was identified

2080
02:34:50,532 --> 02:34:48,665
the key elements In each concept that really we wanted

2081
02:34:48,665 --> 02:34:52,345
to bring out and bring forward into a preferred option,

2082
02:34:52,345 --> 02:34:55,588
so we go to the next slide, please? Next slide

2083
02:34:55,588 --> 02:34:59,108
results and the preliminary preferred concept. I say preliminary because

2084
02:34:59,108 --> 02:35:01,948
we need public input on this. This may still change

2085
02:35:01,948 --> 02:35:05,148
with through public input. We've already seen some tonight. There

2086
02:35:05,148 --> 02:35:09,268
are some correspondence you received from some of the landowners,

2087
02:35:09,268 --> 02:35:11,908
and we'll hear more from the public in our pic,

2088
02:35:11,908 --> 02:35:16,690
so this may change a little bit, but. Really? Let

2089
02:35:16,690 --> 02:35:18,810
me focus on a couple of the key elements. One,

2090
02:35:18,810 --> 02:35:21,850
we thought a centralized regional center. We call it a

2091
02:35:21,850 --> 02:35:25,090
regional center because it's not downtown Pickering, but it's going

2092
02:35:25,090 --> 02:35:28,770
to be a new downtown centered to this area, and

2093
02:35:28,770 --> 02:35:33,090
that's along Salem Road, the second major concept is this

2094
02:35:33,090 --> 02:35:37,061
new east west transit corridor. So bringing the transit. That

2095
02:35:37,061 --> 02:35:40,901
new future higher order transit up from Highway 407 onto

2096
02:35:40,901 --> 02:35:43,261
a new east west Artura Road. Which is seen the

2097
02:35:43,261 --> 02:35:47,901
dashed black line halfway between general. Halfway between 407 and

2098
02:35:47,901 --> 02:35:51,058
the 7th concession. It shows, ending at Lake Ridge, but

2099
02:35:51,058 --> 02:35:54,458
it will actually extend over and line up with a.

2100
02:35:56,297 --> 02:36:01,597
Avenue. As in Whitby and Brooklyn. It'll line up nicely

2101
02:36:01,597 --> 02:36:06,599
with that. You'll also see that 7th concession. Extending into

2102
02:36:06,599 --> 02:36:10,650
whippy. Will then line up with Columbus Road, so veer

2103
02:36:10,650 --> 02:36:14,201
down and line up with Columbus Road, so. There'll be

2104
02:36:14,201 --> 02:36:17,801
a continual extension between Whippy and Pickering for these new

2105
02:36:17,801 --> 02:36:22,858
roads. We also have one large employment area rather than

2106
02:36:22,858 --> 02:36:26,658
multiple or two and rather in south we've. Straddled along

2107
02:36:26,658 --> 02:36:32,188
407. It seemed to be the more preferred alignment. And

2108
02:36:32,188 --> 02:36:35,788
then we have medium density and mixed quarters proposed along

2109
02:36:35,788 --> 02:36:39,211
the collector roads. What I'm going to do is just

2110
02:36:39,211 --> 02:36:41,251
briefly walk you through each of those elements, so it's

2111
02:36:41,251 --> 02:36:43,291
a little bit easier to understand because there's a lot

2112
02:36:43,291 --> 02:36:46,940
going on this maps. We're using the same. Also highlight

2113
02:36:46,940 --> 02:36:50,380
we're using the same designations that are in your official

2114
02:36:50,380 --> 02:36:54,020
plan, so we're using those same designation categories except for

2115
02:36:54,020 --> 02:36:56,540
the regional center, which is new. So let's go through

2116
02:36:56,540 --> 02:37:00,260
the next slide, please. So, as I indicated, center to

2117
02:37:00,260 --> 02:37:03,620
the community regional center will be. The downtown permit the

2118
02:37:03,620 --> 02:37:09,719
highest densities, widest range of use. Uses commercial, institutional, cultural,

2119
02:37:09,719 --> 02:37:14,915
really to create that walkable downtown. In this new community.

2120
02:37:14,915 --> 02:37:20,266
Next slide, please. Then we have two community nodes. We

2121
02:37:20,266 --> 02:37:24,786
put those on as basically like barbells on that. Transit

2122
02:37:24,786 --> 02:37:27,746
cord or each end of the transit order. Maybe in

2123
02:37:27,746 --> 02:37:31,386
the future those might be a major transit station areas.

2124
02:37:31,386 --> 02:37:34,266
There's some comments. Maybe we're missing them further in the

2125
02:37:34,266 --> 02:37:38,000
north. Maybe we need another. Community center to the north.

2126
02:37:38,000 --> 02:37:40,560
From one of the comments from the landowners, they might

2127
02:37:40,560 --> 02:37:46,204
be right. It does. Really waited along that transit quarter.

2128
02:37:46,204 --> 02:37:47,964
Maybe we need to move one of those up for.

2129
02:37:47,964 --> 02:37:51,124
Their north. But the objective is to try and create

2130
02:37:51,124 --> 02:37:55,684
these three centers of higher densities. Commercial retail uses that

2131
02:37:55,684 --> 02:38:00,247
can morph over time, intensify over time. When the higher

2132
02:38:00,247 --> 02:38:04,327
order transit comes along that transit spine. Next slide, please.

2133
02:38:05,595 --> 02:38:07,795
Then we have a mix along that transit quarter. We

2134
02:38:07,795 --> 02:38:09,915
have mixed corridor, which is one of your. Designations in

2135
02:38:09,915 --> 02:38:12,555
your official plan. It's really promoting a broad range of

2136
02:38:12,555 --> 02:38:19,376
higher density. Residential and mixed juices, so it provides lots

2137
02:38:19,376 --> 02:38:22,656
of flexibility along that transit quarter for lots to happen

2138
02:38:22,656 --> 02:38:27,216
in terms of activities. We also have a bit of

2139
02:38:27,216 --> 02:38:32,322
Salem to the south, just north of highway seven. Up

2140
02:38:32,322 --> 02:38:36,368
to east west collector Road. Next slide, please. Then we

2141
02:38:36,368 --> 02:38:39,768
have a business area. So I indicated to you that

2142
02:38:39,768 --> 02:38:44,168
Vision Durham called for 249 employment. Now under the provincial

2143
02:38:44,168 --> 02:38:50,444
planning statement. We can't permit some of the uses we

2144
02:38:50,444 --> 02:38:54,324
used to permit in the employment area, restaurants. Offices, personal

2145
02:38:54,324 --> 02:39:00,009
service. We can't permit that. Under Vision Durham. That was

2146
02:39:00,009 --> 02:39:02,249
estimated to be about 10% of the land area, or

2147
02:39:02,249 --> 02:39:05,729
about 20% of the employment. So we've created new designation

2148
02:39:05,729 --> 02:39:08,569
called Business Area. To accommodate that, we put it on.

2149
02:39:08,569 --> 02:39:11,569
The south side of the transit quarter, recognizing that this

2150
02:39:11,569 --> 02:39:14,289
area may intensify over the future. But provided for that

2151
02:39:14,289 --> 02:39:18,169
broader range of uses and provides a buffer between the

2152
02:39:18,169 --> 02:39:22,027
residential and the. Employment to the south. Next slide, please.

2153
02:39:23,329 --> 02:39:27,400
So then the next area is the prestige employment. We

2154
02:39:27,400 --> 02:39:30,200
go, which is a long highway 407 south of that

2155
02:39:30,200 --> 02:39:33,720
business area down to a new east. West collector road

2156
02:39:33,720 --> 02:39:37,160
that really provides a buffer between the residential to the

2157
02:39:37,160 --> 02:39:40,040
south and the employment provides a nice land use bar.

2158
02:39:40,040 --> 02:39:46,399
Fern transition between the two areas. Next slide, please. And

2159
02:39:46,399 --> 02:39:48,039
we have the higher density areas. We have a series

2160
02:39:48,039 --> 02:39:51,199
of high density areas, one mostly along 7th concession because

2161
02:39:51,199 --> 02:39:55,159
we see that as another important east west transit area.

2162
02:39:55,159 --> 02:39:58,439
So we identified that and then next slide, please. And

2163
02:39:58,439 --> 02:40:00,799
then the high density air, of course, is apartments. Key

2164
02:40:00,799 --> 02:40:04,519
intersections. And then. Along all of our arterial and collector

2165
02:40:04,519 --> 02:40:09,050
roads, decrying. Create a transit supportability. It's a mix of

2166
02:40:09,050 --> 02:40:14,490
medium density uses. We mix of townhouses, other multiplexes, apartments.

2167
02:40:14,490 --> 02:40:18,970
Broad range of ground related and higher density uses to

2168
02:40:18,970 --> 02:40:25,868
really support. That transit. Next slide, please. And then the

2169
02:40:25,868 --> 02:40:28,588
remainder of the area is low density area. So you'll

2170
02:40:28,588 --> 02:40:32,388
see that there's. A couple of new collector roads, an

2171
02:40:32,388 --> 02:40:35,068
extension of arterials. The other one I didn't mention is

2172
02:40:35,068 --> 02:40:38,348
a new east west collector Road at the north end.

2173
02:40:40,997 --> 02:40:45,522
As well as a couple of smaller. Collectors and arterials

2174
02:40:45,522 --> 02:40:49,402
to link up, so make sure we have a porous

2175
02:40:49,402 --> 02:40:53,456
system. As dictated by our transportation consultant. I also have

2176
02:40:53,456 --> 02:40:56,416
failed to mention on all three options and into the

2177
02:40:56,416 --> 02:41:00,576
preferred. You'll see. There's a bypass of Westney Road around

2178
02:41:00,576 --> 02:41:04,936
Greenwood. Greenwood? Hamlet so provide that. That's been planned for

2179
02:41:04,936 --> 02:41:10,071
a long time. In vision, Durham. We're reflecting that. West

2180
02:41:10,071 --> 02:41:13,071
of that area, you can see a nice transition of

2181
02:41:13,071 --> 02:41:17,151
lower density area surrounding that hamlet to try and protect

2182
02:41:17,151 --> 02:41:22,332
that character of that hamlet. Next slide, please. So what's

2183
02:41:22,332 --> 02:41:29,955
next? Well, the next is. We're going to have a

2184
02:41:29,955 --> 02:41:34,744
pic. In a couple of weeks. We're then going to

2185
02:41:34,744 --> 02:41:37,864
be preparing our secondary plan policies, making any changes that

2186
02:41:37,864 --> 02:41:41,678
we hear. From the public. On this preferred plan. Find

2187
02:41:41,678 --> 02:41:44,478
an exile transportation and servicing studies. The subwatershed study will

2188
02:41:44,478 --> 02:41:46,718
go into the next phase. And then we'll be having

2189
02:41:46,718 --> 02:41:52,340
a statutory public meeting in the fall of 2025. And

2190
02:41:52,340 --> 02:41:57,263
that's finished. Madam chair of the presentation. Thank you. Thank

2191
02:41:57,263 --> 02:42:00,423
you very much, Mr. Lowe's. That was certainly a lot

2192
02:42:00,423 --> 02:42:08,173
of information to digest. Certainly was. Very cohesively put together,

2193
02:42:08,173 --> 02:42:15,820
though. I appreciate that. So that means that. We can

2194
02:42:15,820 --> 02:42:17,740
now ask questions of you as the delegates. I'm going

2195
02:42:17,740 --> 02:42:19,140
to open it up. I'm going to start a list.

2196
02:42:20,581 --> 02:42:25,619
Councilor, but followed by councilor Brenner. Yes. Thank you, madam.

2197
02:42:25,619 --> 02:42:28,939
Chair. Thank you for your presentation. Louis, I want to

2198
02:42:28,939 --> 02:42:33,065
ask you in terms of heritage. Lands you talk about.

2199
02:42:36,961 --> 02:42:38,361
Do we know in terms of how much, what is

2200
02:42:38,361 --> 02:42:40,881
the hectors in terms of heritage lands? That we have.

2201
02:42:46,617 --> 02:42:48,937
I can't recall off the top. It's in our report.

2202
02:42:47,497 --> 02:42:51,813
are you referring to natural heritage natural heritage But there

2203
02:42:51,813 --> 02:42:55,653
is extensive natural heritage identify through the subwatership study. But

2204
02:42:55,653 --> 02:42:57,893
I'm sorry. I don't have that right at the tip

2205
02:42:57,893 --> 02:43:00,733
of my fingertips. No worries. Certainly can provide. That too,

2206
02:43:00,733 --> 02:43:03,493
if you need it. When you did a public engagement.

2207
02:43:05,149 --> 02:43:10,149
Previously. Obviously. Concept one, concept two, concept three were presented

2208
02:43:10,149 --> 02:43:13,189
to them. Right. Do you have any numbers? In terms

2209
02:43:13,189 --> 02:43:18,333
of how the public reacted to those three concepts. We

2210
02:43:18,333 --> 02:43:22,373
have a summary report that's available. I believe it's online.

2211
02:43:22,373 --> 02:43:25,813
Of that public consultation, so there wasn't any voting of

2212
02:43:25,813 --> 02:43:29,602
it. We had people work together in small groups at

2213
02:43:29,602 --> 02:43:33,122
small tables and identified what they liked, disliked, and how

2214
02:43:33,122 --> 02:43:35,482
they would like to change each of the options. So

2215
02:43:35,482 --> 02:43:38,848
we had really good feedback on that. But. It wasn't

2216
02:43:38,848 --> 02:43:41,208
like a voting of one versus two versus three. It

2217
02:43:41,208 --> 02:43:43,368
really was identical, and what they liked and disliked of

2218
02:43:43,368 --> 02:43:47,811
each option. So your vision, when you talk about slides,

2219
02:43:47,811 --> 02:43:51,892
about the visions, you talked about sustainability. You talked about

2220
02:43:51,892 --> 02:43:56,392
it, that it stands alone. When you talk about standalone.

2221
02:43:56,392 --> 02:43:59,192
What do you mean by standalone? Could you elaborate on

2222
02:43:59,192 --> 02:44:03,592
that, please? Yeah. Certainly. Through you, Madam chair to a

2223
02:44:03,592 --> 02:44:09,475
counselor. This new community. Will not be attached to seat,

2224
02:44:09,475 --> 02:44:12,938
and it will not be attached to Soth Pickering. It

2225
02:44:12,938 --> 02:44:15,738
will be attached in small part to the expansion of

2226
02:44:15,738 --> 02:44:17,938
Brooklyn, but other than that, it's. Really going to be

2227
02:44:17,938 --> 02:44:21,880
a standalone new community. As part of the city of

2228
02:44:21,880 --> 02:44:25,720
Pickering, but separated from the rest of the urban area

2229
02:44:25,720 --> 02:44:30,051
and Pickering. So we really need to make sure. We

2230
02:44:30,051 --> 02:44:33,491
create a sustainable, complete community in that people get their

2231
02:44:33,491 --> 02:44:36,451
day to day, weekly needs in this community. Sure, they're

2232
02:44:36,451 --> 02:44:39,571
going to go shopping in downtown Pickering, should they go

2233
02:44:39,571 --> 02:44:42,571
shopping elsewhere? But really? You don't want everybody having to

2234
02:44:42,571 --> 02:44:45,491
leave this community and drive to get things they need.

2235
02:44:45,491 --> 02:44:49,314
So there's employment in this community. There's going to be

2236
02:44:49,314 --> 02:44:50,594
jobs in this community, there's going to be recreation in

2237
02:44:50,594 --> 02:44:53,754
this community that's going to be shopping in this community,

2238
02:44:53,754 --> 02:44:55,914
you need to make sure it's a full sum community

2239
02:44:55,914 --> 02:44:58,994
which for people to live and work and play in

2240
02:44:58,994 --> 02:45:03,124
this community. We had a delegation tonight, and I think.

2241
02:45:04,922 --> 02:45:07,002
If I can stand corrected. I think they talked about.

2242
02:45:08,909 --> 02:45:14,822
The watershed areas and flooding. Maybe, perhaps. If that development

2243
02:45:14,822 --> 02:45:18,542
takes place in there, would you share your feedback in

2244
02:45:18,542 --> 02:45:23,594
terms. Of flooding and how and watershed areas. Would you

2245
02:45:23,594 --> 02:45:27,314
want to reflect something on that? Certainly. Thank you. To

2246
02:45:27,314 --> 02:45:29,914
you, madam chair to the councilor. So that subwater should

2247
02:45:29,914 --> 02:45:33,714
study. That's being undertaken by Montrose, and there's a committee

2248
02:45:33,714 --> 02:45:38,034
that includes the Toronto region conservation authority here, ca includes.

2249
02:45:38,799 --> 02:45:42,279
A ton of ajaxes involved, the regions involved, and what

2250
02:45:42,279 --> 02:45:44,919
it's looking at is not only the protection of natural

2251
02:45:44,919 --> 02:45:48,685
heritage, but exactly that. The flooding issues and. How do

2252
02:45:48,685 --> 02:45:51,769
we minimize flooding? How do we control that? How do

2253
02:45:51,769 --> 02:45:54,729
we provide the correct stormwater management to make sure that.

2254
02:45:56,111 --> 02:46:01,122
There's no impacts downstream from this new community. Right in

2255
02:46:01,122 --> 02:46:05,229
terms of engagements now. How many? I believe you've done

2256
02:46:05,229 --> 02:46:09,229
two engagements prior to this. Correct? And a third on.

2257
02:46:09,229 --> 02:46:14,535
The 18th. That's great. How many more to come? After

2258
02:46:14,535 --> 02:46:18,295
that, it's the statutory public meeting in the fall. So

2259
02:46:18,295 --> 02:46:25,495
the public still risen? Still. Have opportunities to moisturize. Give

2260
02:46:25,495 --> 02:46:29,764
their feedback. In such quite a few. Yeah, it's two

2261
02:46:29,764 --> 02:46:32,884
more for sure. Okay, very well. Thanks for addressing my

2262
02:46:32,884 --> 02:46:38,776
question. Thank you, madam Chair. Thank you, Councilor Butt. Councilor

2263
02:46:38,776 --> 02:46:41,216
Brenner. You are next to my list. Thank you. Very

2264
02:46:41,216 --> 02:46:49,550
much, madam chair. Mr. Loz, I want to start first

2265
02:46:49,550 --> 02:46:54,632
with. When you presented in your report, you had three

2266
02:46:54,632 --> 02:47:01,649
concepts. And. I want to ask you first about. The

2267
02:47:01,649 --> 02:47:04,449
I guess it would be concept one. And if I

2268
02:47:04,449 --> 02:47:07,369
understood correct, concept one had more of an had more

2269
02:47:07,369 --> 02:47:09,849
of an environmental focus to it, would that be correct?

2270
02:47:11,333 --> 02:47:14,053
I should say the council. That is correct. Although all

2271
02:47:14,053 --> 02:47:22,002
three options had the same natural heritage system. Protected. But.

2272
02:47:23,290 --> 02:47:25,450
What option one did. It had fewer crossings of it,

2273
02:47:25,450 --> 02:47:28,130
and we had a few restoration areas. We identified as

2274
02:47:28,130 --> 02:47:31,557
well. When you were preparing. I'm going to call it

2275
02:47:31,557 --> 02:47:37,839
your hybrid, which is. Your recommended concept. When you were

2276
02:47:37,839 --> 02:47:42,979
preparing that. Was any consideration given to how to incorporate

2277
02:47:42,979 --> 02:47:46,219
any of the agricultural lands, any of the class soils.

2278
02:47:48,429 --> 02:47:54,727
Into. The vision. If you put forward. I see your

2279
02:47:54,727 --> 02:47:59,207
meditation councilor? No. And I'll say that because these lands

2280
02:47:59,207 --> 02:48:05,301
were all. Identified for urban uses. There's not anticipated to

2281
02:48:05,301 --> 02:48:10,699
be. Any protection, any protection within that new urban area

2282
02:48:10,699 --> 02:48:15,499
of agriculture land. So agricultural continuation of agricultural lands. Now,

2283
02:48:15,499 --> 02:48:19,539
that's not to say that urban agriculture can occur, community

2284
02:48:19,539 --> 02:48:24,655
gardens can occur. That type of thing. But. We're looking

2285
02:48:24,655 --> 02:48:28,437
at this as a full urban community. And trying to

2286
02:48:28,437 --> 02:48:35,895
maximize densities. For hitting the housing required housing. That the

2287
02:48:35,895 --> 02:48:39,581
municipality and the promise are looking for. With that. The

2288
02:48:39,581 --> 02:48:42,821
higher the density you have, the more you're protecting agricultural

2289
02:48:42,821 --> 02:48:47,407
lands outside this. Area. Maybe. It's not for me to

2290
02:48:47,407 --> 02:48:49,207
debate with you. I know that. So let me try

2291
02:48:49,207 --> 02:48:53,047
this. For a question. Then, from what you just explained.

2292
02:48:54,042 --> 02:48:57,922
And understanding that there's no agricultural lands within the areas

2293
02:48:57,922 --> 02:49:03,381
that you are presenting tonight. Where those lands abut agricultural

2294
02:49:03,381 --> 02:49:09,581
lands. How do you see the transition from the agricultural

2295
02:49:09,581 --> 02:49:13,821
lands to where the developer lens will go? I mean,

2296
02:49:13,821 --> 02:49:19,587
they're going to connect the. Absolutely. Madam chair to the

2297
02:49:19,587 --> 02:49:23,499
council. You're absolutely right. There is going to be an

2298
02:49:23,499 --> 02:49:28,552
interface, particularly on to the north. To the south. And

2299
02:49:28,552 --> 02:49:33,993
somewhat. To the west. Although there's some more green belt

2300
02:49:33,993 --> 02:49:36,713
and natural features to the, to the west, but there

2301
02:49:36,713 --> 02:49:39,673
will be agriculture interfaces, and we'll have to have policies

2302
02:49:39,673 --> 02:49:43,993
to deal with agulture. Interfaces. We'll also have policies on

2303
02:49:43,993 --> 02:49:47,353
phasing because we recognize this community is not all going

2304
02:49:47,353 --> 02:49:50,513
to happen one year, there's going to be agriculture that's

2305
02:49:50,513 --> 02:49:52,753
going to remain on those lands until the community fully.

2306
02:49:53,323 --> 02:49:56,460
Develops over. A period of time and we need to

2307
02:49:56,460 --> 02:50:00,100
create phasing policies ensure that that agricultural land can continue

2308
02:50:00,100 --> 02:50:03,540
to be used for that purposes until it's needed for

2309
02:50:03,540 --> 02:50:06,540
that urban usage. So we'll have policies that talk about

2310
02:50:06,540 --> 02:50:11,140
that agriculture interface and the phasing of development. In the

2311
02:50:11,140 --> 02:50:14,682
area as you're going forward. In the next phase, you'll

2312
02:50:14,682 --> 02:50:17,242
be developing those type of policies that would be part

2313
02:50:17,242 --> 02:50:22,142
of this, right? Thank you. The next question I had

2314
02:50:22,142 --> 02:50:25,455
had to do. With the, I guess it was the

2315
02:50:25,455 --> 02:50:28,095
concept that you have incorporated, and that would be the

2316
02:50:28,095 --> 02:50:32,495
high order transit the east west. That would be parallel

2317
02:50:32,495 --> 02:50:36,689
to the Highway 407. Can you elaborate a little bit

2318
02:50:36,689 --> 02:50:40,129
more on where they will connect outside the city of

2319
02:50:40,129 --> 02:50:45,876
Pickley? Because if you rightfully point out. This abuts more

2320
02:50:45,876 --> 02:50:48,836
to the Brooklyn community, which would be whitby, than it

2321
02:50:48,836 --> 02:50:53,196
does to South Pickering or into Seaton. So do you

2322
02:50:53,196 --> 02:50:56,676
envision that the high order transit would have connectivity links,

2323
02:50:56,676 --> 02:51:01,094
for example, to the college and university. As across as

2324
02:51:01,094 --> 02:51:03,494
Simcoe. Do you envision that it would go to the

2325
02:51:03,494 --> 02:51:07,814
hospital as an example that's badly needed on the border

2326
02:51:07,814 --> 02:51:12,706
of Brooklyn in the city of Picarin. Council. Yes, exactly.

2327
02:51:12,706 --> 02:51:15,826
So the transit right now is proposed by the provinces

2328
02:51:15,826 --> 02:51:20,106
along the highway 407. What? We're suggesting where? When it

2329
02:51:20,106 --> 02:51:23,066
enters northeast, Pickering. From the west, it veers up to.

2330
02:51:23,066 --> 02:51:26,786
Long. This new transit corridor goes along this new transit

2331
02:51:26,786 --> 02:51:30,841
quarter, hits Lake Ridge, and then. Comes down back to.

2332
02:51:32,720 --> 02:51:37,240
Highway 407 and Highway 412. But I think the great

2333
02:51:37,240 --> 02:51:39,400
opportunity is to bring it down Lake Ridge. Road by

2334
02:51:39,400 --> 02:51:42,840
the new hospital, then along highway seven and then back

2335
02:51:42,840 --> 02:51:45,680
up to 407. So you'll. Be able to access this

2336
02:51:45,680 --> 02:51:49,840
new hospital as well, and it can continue further east

2337
02:51:49,840 --> 02:51:53,405
towards the college at Semco along highway four. Hundred and

2338
02:51:53,405 --> 02:51:57,995
seven. Great. Thank you. Madam chair, if I could just

2339
02:51:57,995 --> 02:52:00,075
give a little bit more information to Councilor Brenner. On

2340
02:52:00,075 --> 02:52:04,715
that point. Councilor Brenner, there's been conversations with the region

2341
02:52:04,715 --> 02:52:09,464
regarding this. Transit way corridor as well. Especially with looking

2342
02:52:09,464 --> 02:52:14,104
at how the synergies between DRT and to York transit

2343
02:52:14,104 --> 02:52:16,881
to the west could also. Fit into all of this.

2344
02:52:19,107 --> 02:52:21,267
Your question is valid in terms of the connectivity from

2345
02:52:21,267 --> 02:52:24,507
northeast Peerkerin to South Pickering and that is something that

2346
02:52:24,507 --> 02:52:29,227
is under consideration between the consulting group that the north

2347
02:52:29,227 --> 02:52:33,773
pickering developers have hired. And they partnered with the developers

2348
02:52:33,773 --> 02:52:37,013
in Brooklyn to look at it. North Pickering, North Durham

2349
02:52:37,013 --> 02:52:40,173
transit study and all of this is being considered as

2350
02:52:40,173 --> 02:52:45,942
part of that. Thank you. The final question that I

2351
02:52:45,942 --> 02:52:50,697
have has to do more with the intensification. As you

2352
02:52:50,697 --> 02:52:53,417
pointed out, there was quite a change in terms of

2353
02:52:53,417 --> 02:52:56,017
the original. I guess one of the concepts that looked

2354
02:52:56,017 --> 02:53:02,598
at low to medium density housing designation. And it's now

2355
02:53:02,598 --> 02:53:06,381
gone to the. High density in terms of high rise

2356
02:53:06,381 --> 02:53:12,844
development. When you referenced that. And I'm going to paraphrase

2357
02:53:12,844 --> 02:53:15,644
what I thought you said, in a sense that. Northeast

2358
02:53:15,644 --> 02:53:19,244
pipeline would have more in common with Brooklyn than it

2359
02:53:19,244 --> 02:53:21,564
would, obviously, than it would with Sud. Pickering and Seaton.

2360
02:53:23,432 --> 02:53:26,954
That being said, if I'm correct, How do you see

2361
02:53:26,954 --> 02:53:33,116
high rise development? Fitting in abutting Brooklyn. To the best

2362
02:53:33,116 --> 02:53:37,357
of my knowledge, I haven't seen. The magnitude of high

2363
02:53:37,357 --> 02:53:43,285
rise developments that are being proposed. In your preferred concept

2364
02:53:43,285 --> 02:53:46,845
in Brooklyn, which basically has it standing on its own.

2365
02:53:48,350 --> 02:53:51,869
I see you. To the councilor. So where we've shown

2366
02:53:51,869 --> 02:53:55,109
the high densities along the 7th concession. Which was identified

2367
02:53:55,109 --> 02:53:57,509
in one of the previous options as a regional corridor

2368
02:53:57,509 --> 02:54:00,829
and was identified in vision. Durham as a regional corridor,

2369
02:54:00,829 --> 02:54:06,164
so that. Going with the regional official plan, going by

2370
02:54:06,164 --> 02:54:08,564
the wayside and being incorporated in your official plan. We

2371
02:54:08,564 --> 02:54:11,724
looked at different designations running the colony regional corridor, the

2372
02:54:11,724 --> 02:54:15,284
same intent of the regional corridors for higher density development,

2373
02:54:15,284 --> 02:54:19,177
you'll find the same thing. In the Brooklyn expansion area,

2374
02:54:19,177 --> 02:54:21,537
and I'm actually working for the town of Whitby. On

2375
02:54:21,537 --> 02:54:25,177
the Brooklyn expansion area and along Columbus Road. We also

2376
02:54:25,177 --> 02:54:29,762
have. Ad intersections of higher density development being proposed along

2377
02:54:29,762 --> 02:54:33,122
Columbus Road, which would connect in the proposals to connect

2378
02:54:33,122 --> 02:54:37,419
it in with. The 7th concession. So you'll see that

2379
02:54:37,419 --> 02:54:41,099
continuation of medium density and then higher density at key

2380
02:54:41,099 --> 02:54:47,394
intersections. At those key transit locations. In both Brooklyn expansion

2381
02:54:47,394 --> 02:54:52,132
area and in northeast Brickering. Have you had feedback on

2382
02:54:52,132 --> 02:54:57,320
this concept? From the town of Whitby. Yes, and it's

2383
02:54:57,320 --> 02:55:01,240
available for the public to comment on now on their

2384
02:55:01,240 --> 02:55:03,593
website. Can you share with us what the feedback was

2385
02:55:03,593 --> 02:55:07,801
from the town itself? We had a public meeting last.

2386
02:55:12,287 --> 02:55:16,245
Pic last November. And the final preferred is out, with

2387
02:55:16,245 --> 02:55:20,713
statutory public meeting being planned for October. So it hasn't

2388
02:55:20,713 --> 02:55:25,783
gone to council with council endorsement. The town of Whitby

2389
02:55:25,783 --> 02:55:29,977
comment on. This concept? Or is that what you're referring

2390
02:55:29,977 --> 02:55:36,019
to? On the Brooklyn concept. The Brooklyn official plan. Northeast

2391
02:55:36,019 --> 02:55:39,695
Pickering, since it butts the town of Whitby. Have public

2392
02:55:39,695 --> 02:55:42,575
comments. Yeah, the big comments. That's what I meant. Sorry.

2393
02:55:42,575 --> 02:55:47,868
I'm sorry. That I'm confused. There has been no comment

2394
02:55:47,868 --> 02:55:51,348
about northeast pickering at the tunnel would be yet. Okay,

2395
02:55:51,348 --> 02:55:53,708
thank you very much. Thank you, madam chair. And I

2396
02:55:53,708 --> 02:55:56,388
appreciate the latitude of the questions. And thank you, fias.

2397
02:55:56,388 --> 02:56:00,543
For stepping in to clarify as well. Excellent questions. Thank

2398
02:56:00,543 --> 02:56:06,783
you, Councilor Brenner. Any further. Councilor Robinson and Councilor Pickles.

2399
02:56:06,783 --> 02:56:09,743
I see you. Okay. Councilor Robinson. Thank you very much.

2400
02:56:09,743 --> 02:56:13,904
Madam chair, just one quick question. Have you quantified the

2401
02:56:13,904 --> 02:56:17,144
traffic impact on the streets in Ajax, like throughout West

2402
02:56:17,144 --> 02:56:20,857
Knee and Salem at all. For the people that are

2403
02:56:20,857 --> 02:56:25,853
moving north south. Through you, madam chair to the councilor.

2404
02:56:25,853 --> 02:56:29,093
So the background transportation report was done at the beginning.

2405
02:56:29,093 --> 02:56:31,733
Of phase two. Just so the existing conditions and some

2406
02:56:31,733 --> 02:56:35,093
of the issues right now, we're doing a translation study

2407
02:56:35,093 --> 02:56:37,293
on the preferred option, so we'll be looking at that

2408
02:56:37,293 --> 02:56:41,173
exact matter. About the impact on the existing transportation network.

2409
02:56:41,173 --> 02:56:44,104
So that's being undertaken right now on this. Preferred. Option.

2410
02:56:44,104 --> 02:56:45,664
Okay, and when do you think we might be able

2411
02:56:45,664 --> 02:56:48,024
to get the results of that? Would that be four.

2412
02:56:48,024 --> 02:56:51,384
We go move ahead with any more meetings. Will you

2413
02:56:51,384 --> 02:56:57,269
have that? Not before the open house. On the 18th,

2414
02:56:57,269 --> 02:57:00,749
but before your statutory public meeting. For sure. Yes. Okay,

2415
02:57:00,749 --> 02:57:03,589
great. Thank you very much. Thank you, madam chair. You're

2416
02:57:03,589 --> 02:57:08,719
very welcome. Councilor Robinson, councilor Pickles. Thank you, madam Chair.

2417
02:57:11,188 --> 02:57:15,099
And thank you, Paul, for the presentation. Very thorough. So

2418
02:57:15,099 --> 02:57:18,019
what we have in front of us tonight is to

2419
02:57:18,019 --> 02:57:23,703
receive this report. And then forward it to. Public. Sorry.

2420
02:57:23,703 --> 02:57:28,175
To the public agencies, landowners. Others engage in the process.

2421
02:57:29,830 --> 02:57:35,543
So really, we're continuing the public consultation process. Would that

2422
02:57:35,543 --> 02:57:39,870
be correct? Councilor? Absolutely. That's what we're doing. Getting into

2423
02:57:39,870 --> 02:57:42,910
the next phase of that. And you heard a number

2424
02:57:42,910 --> 02:57:49,322
of comments this evening from delegates. And I think you've

2425
02:57:49,322 --> 02:57:53,064
heard some comments. From committee members. And you'll be hearing

2426
02:57:53,064 --> 02:57:56,832
some more comments, I'm sure. So, to be clear, the

2427
02:57:56,832 --> 02:58:00,552
comments you received tonight are both from the delegates and

2428
02:58:00,552 --> 02:58:05,364
from members of committee will be taken into account. As

2429
02:58:05,364 --> 02:58:09,538
you proceed through this process. Madam chair to the council.

2430
02:58:09,538 --> 02:58:12,978
Absolutely. That's a key element of the process. And then

2431
02:58:12,978 --> 02:58:16,498
there will be. In addition to all that consultation, there

2432
02:58:16,498 --> 02:58:20,098
be a statutory public meeting held in the fall. Once

2433
02:58:20,098 --> 02:58:27,032
again, where people can provide comments. Absolutely. I want to

2434
02:58:27,032 --> 02:58:33,892
clarify what the scope. Of this work is. So this

2435
02:58:33,892 --> 02:58:37,455
is a secondary plan. So if I want to put

2436
02:58:37,455 --> 02:58:42,679
that in, Layman turns. What I say that we're designing

2437
02:58:42,679 --> 02:58:45,519
what the build out of the community would look like.

2438
02:58:46,718 --> 02:58:49,558
How it would function and perhaps a little bit about.

2439
02:58:51,298 --> 02:58:56,059
The time frame. Or that it would be undertaken. Would

2440
02:58:56,059 --> 02:58:58,379
that through you, madam chair to the councilor. Yes, that's

2441
02:58:58,379 --> 02:59:00,619
a good way to. Put it. I would also add

2442
02:59:00,619 --> 02:59:03,379
a caveat. It will be at a high level, so

2443
02:59:03,379 --> 02:59:05,739
we start with the regional official plan. It just says

2444
02:59:05,739 --> 02:59:08,099
this is community employment. Now we're going. To move down.

2445
02:59:10,289 --> 02:59:12,249
Into some more detail. After the community plan, there's going

2446
02:59:12,249 --> 02:59:14,089
to be a series of neighborhood plans that are going

2447
02:59:14,089 --> 02:59:17,209
to get really down in the detail of what that

2448
02:59:17,209 --> 02:59:19,689
little neighborhood is going to look like. And then the

2449
02:59:19,689 --> 02:59:22,369
developers will come forward with their draft plans of subdivision.

2450
02:59:22,369 --> 02:59:24,449
So it's a step of getting more and more detail.

2451
02:59:25,636 --> 02:59:28,516
So we're starting at a high level and we're refining

2452
02:59:28,516 --> 02:59:31,236
it and getting to a greater level of detail as

2453
02:59:31,236 --> 02:59:33,476
we go along through the process, as we get closer.

2454
02:59:34,930 --> 02:59:40,669
To actually building out the community. That's correct. Okay. Just

2455
02:59:40,669 --> 02:59:43,189
before I ask some more questions, I want to go

2456
02:59:43,189 --> 02:59:46,860
back to what it is not. So it's not within

2457
02:59:46,860 --> 02:59:52,528
the scope of the study to reconsider. The provincial approval

2458
02:59:52,528 --> 02:59:55,728
of the urban area or the regional approval of the

2459
02:59:55,728 --> 03:00:02,397
urban area. We've had a couple delegates tonight. Say. More

2460
03:00:02,397 --> 03:00:06,650
or less. Scrap the whole thing. Take it out of

2461
03:00:06,650 --> 03:00:09,890
the urban area. That's not part of the scope of

2462
03:00:09,890 --> 03:00:13,370
this project. Would that be fair to say? That's correct,

2463
03:00:13,370 --> 03:00:17,840
yes. Okay, so just back to this level of doing

2464
03:00:17,840 --> 03:00:20,120
more detail as we go along. A couple of the

2465
03:00:20,120 --> 03:00:29,250
delegates spoke to phasing. Can you tell us what phasing

2466
03:00:29,250 --> 03:00:33,930
would mean in the context of the secondary planner implementation?

2467
03:00:33,930 --> 03:00:36,970
Of a secondary plan. And whether you agree with it

2468
03:00:36,970 --> 03:00:42,765
or not. Certainly. Chair to the councilor. So phasing, what

2469
03:00:42,765 --> 03:00:45,748
we usually do is we look at. The extension of

2470
03:00:45,748 --> 03:00:49,628
infrastructure. So we're going to need new trunk water mains.

2471
03:00:49,628 --> 03:00:51,268
We're? Going to need trunk sewers, we're going to need

2472
03:00:51,268 --> 03:00:54,148
new roads built, and we need to make sure the

2473
03:00:54,148 --> 03:00:57,108
development is in line with that extension of those roads,

2474
03:00:57,108 --> 03:01:01,053
so we may say that. In this neighborhood. This is

2475
03:01:01,053 --> 03:01:03,693
all the infrastructure you need to bring on to bring

2476
03:01:03,693 --> 03:01:09,173
that neighborhood on. And we'll have that parsed out for

2477
03:01:09,173 --> 03:01:11,613
each of those new neighbors to say what? Infrastructure needs

2478
03:01:11,613 --> 03:01:14,133
to be phased in line. We'll also be looking at

2479
03:01:14,133 --> 03:01:16,653
schools and parks. We need those to come on at

2480
03:01:16,653 --> 03:01:19,653
the same time, so that's usually the phasing. We look

2481
03:01:19,653 --> 03:01:24,398
at? What is all the infrastructure? Community facilities, public uses

2482
03:01:24,398 --> 03:01:27,120
that we need. In each of those neighborhoods to be

2483
03:01:27,120 --> 03:01:33,260
brought on when. It's to be developed. Okay, so you

2484
03:01:33,260 --> 03:01:38,833
support phasing, and that's probably language we might see. As

2485
03:01:38,833 --> 03:01:47,511
the study. Progresses. That's correct. Yes. In your presentation. You

2486
03:01:47,511 --> 03:01:49,711
spoke of Greenwood a number of times, and I wanted

2487
03:01:49,711 --> 03:01:52,431
to go back. There was a couple. Of delegates from

2488
03:01:52,431 --> 03:01:56,212
Greenwood. And. I forget how they express it, but they

2489
03:01:56,212 --> 03:02:03,047
were concerned that the hamlet of Greenwood was being. Erased.

2490
03:02:03,047 --> 03:02:05,127
That's probably not the word they use, but I'll say

2491
03:02:05,127 --> 03:02:07,807
race. But yet. You mentioned Greenwood a number of times.

2492
03:02:10,542 --> 03:02:15,368
So in the secondary plan as it's developed, You still

2493
03:02:15,368 --> 03:02:22,196
see Greenwood as a recognized. Definable community. That will have

2494
03:02:22,196 --> 03:02:29,650
some special attention. Paid to preserving its nature. Or at

2495
03:02:29,650 --> 03:02:32,450
least I'm hoping. Let me put it that way through

2496
03:02:32,450 --> 03:02:35,410
you, ma'am. Chairing a counselor. Yes. And I see this,

2497
03:02:35,410 --> 03:02:39,330
councilor pickles, I see this very much. Like White Valley

2498
03:02:39,330 --> 03:02:44,645
as I did the Seaton. Secondary plan. And neighborhood plans

2499
03:02:44,645 --> 03:02:47,805
for the city. We paid special attempts to wait for

2500
03:02:47,805 --> 03:02:51,325
to make sure that seaton developed that Weightville Hammock was

2501
03:02:51,325 --> 03:02:54,525
be able to maintain and maintain that key historic character

2502
03:02:54,525 --> 03:02:56,885
it has today, so we'll be looking the same thing

2503
03:02:56,885 --> 03:03:00,833
at Greenwood, although. It's just the secondary plan doesn't include

2504
03:03:00,833 --> 03:03:03,033
it. We'll have policies on. That, to talk about that

2505
03:03:03,033 --> 03:03:06,713
transition to ensure that that Greenwood hamlet remains as a

2506
03:03:06,713 --> 03:03:11,849
hamlet and. Continues a hammlet and what uses maybe need

2507
03:03:11,849 --> 03:03:13,929
to be. Maybe there's a little neighborhood center to help

2508
03:03:13,929 --> 03:03:17,769
provide a little bit more commercial uses to the residents

2509
03:03:17,769 --> 03:03:20,249
of Greenwood. Just in a new urban area. So we'll

2510
03:03:20,249 --> 03:03:22,929
be looking at that and how to transition to make

2511
03:03:22,929 --> 03:03:26,836
sure that Hammlet is maintained and protected. If I can

2512
03:03:26,836 --> 03:03:31,500
just add to the commentary as well, councilor Pickles. I

2513
03:03:31,500 --> 03:03:34,660
recognize some of the concerns raised by the residents there

2514
03:03:34,660 --> 03:03:36,980
and just wanted to clarify a couple of things. First

2515
03:03:36,980 --> 03:03:41,118
of all, Greenwood does have status in the official plan.

2516
03:03:41,118 --> 03:03:47,625
Currently amongst a bunch of other. Rural settlements. But just

2517
03:03:47,625 --> 03:03:50,865
in the context of our consolidated zoning bylaw, which council

2518
03:03:50,865 --> 03:03:55,061
may be aware we had gone through that process. And

2519
03:03:55,061 --> 03:03:59,541
with the previous zoning bylaw, the hamlet of Greenwood had

2520
03:03:59,541 --> 03:04:04,861
a particular zone v for village. Zone within that previous

2521
03:04:04,861 --> 03:04:10,418
bylaw framework. And through our consolidation work, the village zone

2522
03:04:10,418 --> 03:04:16,737
was actually consolidated within the restructured residential zones. Certainly staff

2523
03:04:16,737 --> 03:04:20,297
would be interested in considering perhaps an exception to that

2524
03:04:20,297 --> 03:04:25,416
zoning bylaw. If that's of interest. That was something. That

2525
03:04:25,416 --> 03:04:28,219
was done quite some time ago for. Kinsail in an

2526
03:04:28,219 --> 03:04:30,299
older set of bylaws. So that's something that could be

2527
03:04:30,299 --> 03:04:34,539
done to provide a little more clarity, but it still

2528
03:04:34,539 --> 03:04:38,090
remains within. The new consolidated zoing ball. I just want

2529
03:04:38,090 --> 03:04:40,890
to clarify that. Thank you, Mr. Mendelia. I was going

2530
03:04:40,890 --> 03:04:42,530
to come back to you later because I do think

2531
03:04:42,530 --> 03:04:45,290
there is some confusion. By the delegation with respect to

2532
03:04:45,290 --> 03:04:51,125
the consolidation of the zoning bylaws. And the OP exercises

2533
03:04:51,125 --> 03:04:54,765
and the secondary plan exercises, so Greenwood is not being

2534
03:04:54,765 --> 03:05:00,314
erased from. The scope of our planning exercises. So, Paul,

2535
03:05:00,314 --> 03:05:08,717
I just had one more question. Although. Greenwood. Any of

2536
03:05:08,717 --> 03:05:11,797
the committees like to see it preserved. I want to

2537
03:05:11,797 --> 03:05:19,731
be clear that. We're still weirdly identifying. A bypass. The

2538
03:05:19,731 --> 03:05:24,051
west Neuro bypass through Greenwood. That remains part of the

2539
03:05:24,051 --> 03:05:28,183
time frame. And I guess. Would be considered when we

2540
03:05:28,183 --> 03:05:31,503
talk about phasing and traffic studies to ensure that the

2541
03:05:31,503 --> 03:05:35,907
hamlet isn't overrun by traffic. Correct. Good way to put

2542
03:05:35,907 --> 03:05:41,133
it, yes. That will be addressed through the transportation study

2543
03:05:41,133 --> 03:05:43,653
to look at and when we do the neighborhood plan.

2544
03:05:43,653 --> 03:05:45,933
For that area. Be a little bit more detail when

2545
03:05:45,933 --> 03:05:50,114
that's going to occur. Okay, well, I'm not sure our

2546
03:05:50,114 --> 03:05:54,314
delegations are still online at this late hour, but. Hopefully

2547
03:05:54,314 --> 03:05:57,234
that clarifies some of the concerns that they had. And

2548
03:05:57,234 --> 03:06:01,954
thank you for answering my questions, Paul. Thank you. Welcome.

2549
03:06:01,954 --> 03:06:08,534
Thank you, Councilor Pickles. I have two questions. Unless mayor

2550
03:06:08,534 --> 03:06:12,528
ash also has comments to make otherwise. I will ask

2551
03:06:12,528 --> 03:06:17,480
my two questions. So I'll be fairly expedient. With the

2552
03:06:17,480 --> 03:06:25,465
three concepts designs presented. Paul, you noted that. Your preferred

2553
03:06:25,465 --> 03:06:30,439
concept. Is the one that will receive the studies. So,

2554
03:06:30,439 --> 03:06:35,763
to councilor Robinson's point. Traffic studies on Salem, how will

2555
03:06:35,763 --> 03:06:38,443
they be looked at? And I'm assuming that these studies

2556
03:06:38,443 --> 03:06:40,923
will only be done based on the preferred concept you're

2557
03:06:40,923 --> 03:06:44,723
bringing forward. So my question is. Thus, of those three

2558
03:06:44,723 --> 03:06:47,083
concepts, what if that's not the one that the public.

2559
03:06:48,550 --> 03:06:51,006
Prefers. Personally, and I liked your number one the best.

2560
03:06:52,661 --> 03:06:54,581
I'm not so thrilled with the other ones, but that

2561
03:06:54,581 --> 03:06:57,741
would also mean that as we move forward in this,

2562
03:06:57,741 --> 03:07:00,661
there will be no studies applicable to the alternate concepts

2563
03:07:00,661 --> 03:07:04,848
that were presented. Is that fair to say? In part.

2564
03:07:04,848 --> 03:07:10,842
We're having our pic. In a week and a half.

2565
03:07:11,068 --> 03:07:13,228
We'll hear from the public whether, what they think about

2566
03:07:13,228 --> 03:07:17,108
their concept. We've heard from one of the delegates. Letters

2567
03:07:17,108 --> 03:07:19,628
from the landlords. They don't like all the art. The

2568
03:07:19,628 --> 03:07:22,628
collector roads. So our transportation consultant will take that into

2569
03:07:22,628 --> 03:07:24,948
account and look at that and say, yeah, I still

2570
03:07:24,948 --> 03:07:27,548
think we need those. Or. No, you're right, we don't.

2571
03:07:27,548 --> 03:07:30,468
Or. Whatever the public may say in terms of what

2572
03:07:30,468 --> 03:07:32,712
they think. Of the preferred, so we still have time.

2573
03:07:34,448 --> 03:07:37,568
To take that into account, make some refinements and make

2574
03:07:37,568 --> 03:07:40,680
sure that. The final option that we present to at

2575
03:07:40,680 --> 03:07:46,999
a statutory public meeting is fully documented. And evaluated by

2576
03:07:46,999 --> 03:07:50,039
those transportation and servicing studies. And that's what I should

2577
03:07:50,039 --> 03:07:52,479
study. So we still have time to make sure that

2578
03:07:52,479 --> 03:07:56,316
all lines up appropriately. Okay. Thanks very much, Paul. You

2579
03:07:56,316 --> 03:07:59,616
actually answered my next question. In your response there. So

2580
03:07:59,616 --> 03:08:03,736
I have no additional questions. Which means we've exhausted the

2581
03:08:03,736 --> 03:08:08,799
speakers. List. So we will move forward and we need

2582
03:08:08,799 --> 03:08:11,879
to move this and second it in order to get

2583
03:08:11,879 --> 03:08:14,359
it on the floor in order to receive for information.

2584
03:08:14,359 --> 03:08:17,919
Do I have a mover and seconder? Councilor Pickles and

2585
03:08:17,919 --> 03:08:22,679
councilor butt. Councilor pickles, as mover councillor Butt. As seconder.

2586
03:08:22,679 --> 03:08:26,418
So we will open up this motion now for. Further

2587
03:08:26,418 --> 03:08:28,818
questions and debate, and I'll start a list. The first

2588
03:08:28,818 --> 03:08:34,635
is councilor Pickles. Followed by Councillor Bhatt. Thank you, chair

2589
03:08:34,635 --> 03:08:39,408
cook. I wanted to address a couple of matters to

2590
03:08:39,408 --> 03:08:44,074
Mr. Bentley. And I think it's important to take a

2591
03:08:44,074 --> 03:08:49,756
step back here. Two steps back. Mr. Bentley, I think

2592
03:08:49,756 --> 03:08:52,196
a lot of people, a lot of residents are of

2593
03:08:52,196 --> 03:08:57,963
the misconception that. The mayor of the city and its

2594
03:08:57,963 --> 03:09:01,483
council decide. We want a whole bunch more people in

2595
03:09:01,483 --> 03:09:03,883
Pickering. And we need to go expand our boundaries and

2596
03:09:03,883 --> 03:09:06,203
build and build and build and do this, but. It's

2597
03:09:06,203 --> 03:09:10,843
really a top down process. The province does provincial among

2598
03:09:10,843 --> 03:09:14,289
federal government does. Then the province looks at what the

2599
03:09:14,289 --> 03:09:17,329
trends are, how many people are being attracted to Ontario,

2600
03:09:17,329 --> 03:09:19,129
how many people are going to be attracted to the

2601
03:09:19,129 --> 03:09:23,901
greater Toronto area. And they try to prescribe where that

2602
03:09:23,901 --> 03:09:26,181
population is going to be, how people are going to

2603
03:09:26,181 --> 03:09:31,294
be housed. And. They do good or bad jobs, depending

2604
03:09:31,294 --> 03:09:35,164
how things like that work, but basically. This process is

2605
03:09:35,164 --> 03:09:40,715
top driven. And it's been made mention of. Pickering has

2606
03:09:40,715 --> 03:09:45,075
been directed that by 2051 there's going to be about

2607
03:09:45,075 --> 03:09:49,488
250,000. People. In region of Durham and city of Pickering.

2608
03:09:49,488 --> 03:09:52,688
It's now your responsibility to figure out how that's going

2609
03:09:52,688 --> 03:09:55,928
to be accomplished and where they're going to go. Am

2610
03:09:55,928 --> 03:09:59,528
I correct? In saying that it is a top down

2611
03:09:59,528 --> 03:10:02,368
process. It's not a bottom up process. When it comes

2612
03:10:02,368 --> 03:10:07,189
to determining the ultimate populations of municipalities. Yeah, Casper. Because

2613
03:10:07,189 --> 03:10:10,269
I think that's some fair comments. We're definitely getting clear

2614
03:10:10,269 --> 03:10:12,469
direction. From the province that we need to provide more

2615
03:10:12,469 --> 03:10:16,414
housing and accommodate. Increased population and all of that stuff.

2616
03:10:18,038 --> 03:10:21,558
And we are also working with Envision Durham, which was

2617
03:10:21,558 --> 03:10:23,518
approved by regional council. It was approved by the province.

2618
03:10:25,504 --> 03:10:29,553
And that's in place. We work on that basis to

2619
03:10:29,553 --> 03:10:34,538
keep on going with. This. Okay. Thank you. I want

2620
03:10:34,538 --> 03:10:37,738
to speak a little bit about Greenwood because, and I

2621
03:10:37,738 --> 03:10:39,978
know you jumped in and I. Appreciate that, Mr. Penley,

2622
03:10:39,978 --> 03:10:47,385
but. I think in our official plan. Is not Greenwood

2623
03:10:47,385 --> 03:10:51,625
clearly identified as a hamlet in community, and that's going

2624
03:10:51,625 --> 03:10:56,083
to remain that. Way. In our official plan. But there

2625
03:10:56,083 --> 03:10:59,643
was another parallel process going on with respect to the

2626
03:10:59,643 --> 03:11:05,238
consolidation of bylaws. There were many zoning bylaws in pickering,

2627
03:11:05,238 --> 03:11:09,614
and we're coming up. We're consolidating them. Do you think

2628
03:11:09,614 --> 03:11:17,235
there's maybe a misunderstanding there? About. The racing. Of the

2629
03:11:17,235 --> 03:11:20,315
hamlet of Greenwood that it exists in our official plan.

2630
03:11:20,315 --> 03:11:23,715
We've heard from the northeast peckering plan, it will continue

2631
03:11:23,715 --> 03:11:28,990
to exist as identifiable. Community, although in the consolidated zoning

2632
03:11:28,990 --> 03:11:31,510
bylaws, it was somewhat assumed. So. Can you provide a

2633
03:11:31,510 --> 03:11:33,270
little clarity there because I think a couple of the

2634
03:11:33,270 --> 03:11:37,150
delegations legitimately had a concern, but I think they might

2635
03:11:37,150 --> 03:11:41,310
have mixed up two processes. And you've already spoken to

2636
03:11:41,310 --> 03:11:42,870
this a little bit, but I'm giving you a little

2637
03:11:42,870 --> 03:11:47,918
more opportunity. I'll try and provide a bit more. Yes.

2638
03:11:47,918 --> 03:11:53,214
Just again, to reiterate. The current official plan identifies Greenwood

2639
03:11:53,214 --> 03:11:56,174
and that surrounding area. We call it settlement five. In

2640
03:11:56,174 --> 03:12:00,023
our official plan. And I can certainly welcome planning staff

2641
03:12:00,023 --> 03:12:03,419
if they want to add more content here. But as

2642
03:12:03,419 --> 03:12:05,899
far as I understand it, that's the intention, to keep

2643
03:12:05,899 --> 03:12:11,983
that. Existing area recognized within those documents. And again with

2644
03:12:11,983 --> 03:12:15,903
our consolidated zoning Bilay review process, looking for opportunities to

2645
03:12:15,903 --> 03:12:20,223
consolidate all the bylaws into one user friendly bylaw. The

2646
03:12:20,223 --> 03:12:24,416
intention is really to make things easier. To work with.

2647
03:12:25,907 --> 03:12:30,270
However, you may recall. I think. There was hundreds and

2648
03:12:30,270 --> 03:12:34,870
hundreds of exceptions within the zoning bylaw to recognize some

2649
03:12:34,870 --> 03:12:38,709
existing conditions and that sort of thing. So there could

2650
03:12:38,709 --> 03:12:42,629
certainly be an opportunity to recognize an exception within the

2651
03:12:42,629 --> 03:12:46,989
zoning bylaw that recognizes a bit more clearly. Greenwood again.

2652
03:12:46,989 --> 03:12:51,492
That's been done before and years past. But it wasn't

2653
03:12:51,492 --> 03:12:55,012
eliminated. It just was consolidated under a bigger umbrella of

2654
03:12:55,012 --> 03:12:58,680
residential. Permissible uses, so I hope that provides a bit

2655
03:12:58,680 --> 03:13:02,240
of clarity about what was done. Separate process there will

2656
03:13:02,240 --> 03:13:06,217
be an opportunity. When we finish the Pickering forward official

2657
03:13:06,217 --> 03:13:09,217
plan review process and have a new official plan in

2658
03:13:09,217 --> 03:13:14,607
place. There will be an opportunity to revisit the zoning

2659
03:13:14,607 --> 03:13:19,287
bylaws to have regard for any adjustments or updates that

2660
03:13:19,287 --> 03:13:21,007
have been made to the Pickering official plans. I hope

2661
03:13:21,007 --> 03:13:25,124
that provides a bit of context. So. The community of

2662
03:13:25,124 --> 03:13:28,564
Greenwood is identifiable. Community is still there, and it's going

2663
03:13:28,564 --> 03:13:34,473
to continue to be there. Yes. Okay. The consultant made

2664
03:13:34,473 --> 03:13:38,808
mention of another. Public information meeting coming up. I'm not

2665
03:13:38,808 --> 03:13:42,996
sure he mentioned the date, but it's June 18. June

2666
03:13:42,996 --> 03:13:46,196
18 that's correct. So one organization, and I don't think

2667
03:13:46,196 --> 03:13:49,876
it's a secret to note their name. Land over landings

2668
03:13:49,876 --> 03:13:53,636
happens to coincidentally have their annual general meeting on the

2669
03:13:53,636 --> 03:13:57,318
same date. So some of their membership and some of

2670
03:13:57,318 --> 03:14:00,038
their followers, I suppose, are not going to be able

2671
03:14:00,038 --> 03:14:03,118
to attend that public information meeting. You and I have

2672
03:14:03,118 --> 03:14:04,998
spoken a couple of times, and I've spoken with the

2673
03:14:04,998 --> 03:14:10,149
mayor and spoken with land over landings. Following this meeting.

2674
03:14:10,149 --> 03:14:12,709
And presumably they could have come on here tonight and

2675
03:14:12,709 --> 03:14:15,709
viewed the presentation and heard some of the discussion, but

2676
03:14:15,709 --> 03:14:19,586
if they have any. Additional comments, questions or want to

2677
03:14:19,586 --> 03:14:23,302
have a discussion. We're able to reach out with them

2678
03:14:23,302 --> 03:14:25,622
and make some sort of arrangement, noting that they had

2679
03:14:25,622 --> 03:14:30,526
a conflict that evening. A scoped presentation or a discussion

2680
03:14:30,526 --> 03:14:37,577
with them. To allow them the same opportunity that they

2681
03:14:37,577 --> 03:14:39,737
happen to miss because of the conflicting of the two

2682
03:14:39,737 --> 03:14:42,857
dates. That would be correct, yes. We're certainly happy to

2683
03:14:42,857 --> 03:14:45,657
follow up with the appropriate representatives. With land of our

2684
03:14:45,657 --> 03:14:50,826
landings after this meeting, not tonight, but tomorrow. Or soon

2685
03:14:50,826 --> 03:14:55,431
thereafter and certainly welcome their input. Whatever we land on,

2686
03:14:55,431 --> 03:15:00,167
if they're comfortable. Either through teams or if they want

2687
03:15:00,167 --> 03:15:03,431
a meeting of some sort. We can certainly discuss that

2688
03:15:03,431 --> 03:15:06,643
and what that looks like. As an alternative to the

2689
03:15:06,643 --> 03:15:10,556
June 18. Any information that we'd be providing would be

2690
03:15:10,556 --> 03:15:13,596
very similar to what would be provided this evening and

2691
03:15:13,596 --> 03:15:19,045
on the 18th as well. Okay. Much appreciated. And. My

2692
03:15:19,045 --> 03:15:21,685
last comment or question, madam chair, and I just want

2693
03:15:21,685 --> 03:15:24,805
to go back to what the consultant said, and that

2694
03:15:24,805 --> 03:15:29,445
is that this is a continuing process of public consultation.

2695
03:15:29,445 --> 03:15:33,765
We've noted a number of upcoming public consultation opportunities and.

2696
03:15:35,391 --> 03:15:37,631
That this continues to go from a higher level to

2697
03:15:37,631 --> 03:15:43,014
a lower level, and there be many opportunities. For public

2698
03:15:43,014 --> 03:15:47,494
consultation before any shovel hits the ground and any plan

2699
03:15:47,494 --> 03:15:50,574
is approved that there'd be many opportunities, Mr. Bentley. Would

2700
03:15:50,574 --> 03:15:54,454
that be correct? Yes, and I believe Paulos had mentioned

2701
03:15:54,454 --> 03:15:56,614
that. Earlier this evening that there'd be at least two

2702
03:15:56,614 --> 03:15:59,494
opportunities, and perhaps a third one if we are able

2703
03:15:59,494 --> 03:16:03,371
to fashion another meeting with lender landings. In this context,

2704
03:16:03,371 --> 03:16:08,255
and certainly outside of those structured meetings, We're more than

2705
03:16:08,255 --> 03:16:13,536
happy to take any additional feedback or commentary. From the

2706
03:16:13,536 --> 03:16:15,613
public as well. Thank you.

2707
03:16:22,695 --> 03:16:25,815
Oh, that's it for me, madam. Chair. Thank you. Yes,

2708
03:16:25,815 --> 03:16:33,828
thank you. Cancer. Bike. Can you hear us? Yeah, now

2709
03:16:33,828 --> 03:16:36,508
I can hear you. That's fine. Thank you. Madam chair.

2710
03:16:39,909 --> 03:16:43,389
Mr. Bessley, if I can probably have your. Maybe, perhaps

2711
03:16:43,389 --> 03:16:46,229
other staff member could maybe answer. A couple of my

2712
03:16:46,229 --> 03:16:50,346
questions, too, as well. From the delegation that we had

2713
03:16:50,346 --> 03:16:54,005
on the Greenwood community. They addressed in terms of the

2714
03:16:54,005 --> 03:16:59,472
Greenwood Community Hall. Will be demolished. We know that there

2715
03:16:59,472 --> 03:17:02,792
is a new community center being built, and I think

2716
03:17:02,792 --> 03:17:05,752
they also mentioned that they had credit club, they had

2717
03:17:05,752 --> 03:17:10,792
scouting, they had other events, birthday parties, community. Events that

2718
03:17:10,792 --> 03:17:15,651
the community was using. Even if, though, that Greenwood Community

2719
03:17:15,651 --> 03:17:18,731
center is being demolished, maybe you want to speak to

2720
03:17:18,731 --> 03:17:23,432
it. I know the answers. What are we being replaced

2721
03:17:23,432 --> 03:17:26,792
with and what will the Greenwood community will have access

2722
03:17:26,792 --> 03:17:31,701
to? Well. I think it was kind of spoken to

2723
03:17:31,701 --> 03:17:34,781
earlier this evening, but the pickering or the PHCC's? Pickering

2724
03:17:34,781 --> 03:17:37,741
Heritage Community center, which is under construction, I believe is

2725
03:17:37,741 --> 03:17:42,446
intended to be that option. To serve the Greenwood community.

2726
03:17:42,446 --> 03:17:45,046
My understanding and I see Marissa's put her camera on

2727
03:17:45,046 --> 03:17:47,726
feel. Free to chime in. I believe there's been some

2728
03:17:47,726 --> 03:17:52,197
active discussions between the city. And members of the Greenwood

2729
03:17:52,197 --> 03:17:54,477
community to try and find some solutions as it relates

2730
03:17:54,477 --> 03:17:56,517
to that, but I haven't been directly involved in that.

2731
03:17:56,517 --> 03:17:58,797
And perhaps if Marissa wants to chime in. And add

2732
03:17:58,797 --> 03:18:02,723
some more details that might be appreciated. Certainly through the

2733
03:18:02,723 --> 03:18:07,163
chair to councilor Butt, the director of community services has

2734
03:18:07,163 --> 03:18:13,207
been. In discussions with agreement recreation association for some time

2735
03:18:13,207 --> 03:18:16,727
to facilitate the transition of their activities from the Greenwood

2736
03:18:16,727 --> 03:18:21,727
Community center to the Pickering Heritage and community center. Of

2737
03:18:21,727 --> 03:18:24,087
course, that form would take a little bit of a

2738
03:18:24,087 --> 03:18:26,527
different shape than it currently does in the sense that

2739
03:18:26,527 --> 03:18:30,803
PHCC will be. Operated and managed by the city. However,

2740
03:18:30,803 --> 03:18:33,163
we want to ensure that the activities that they're used

2741
03:18:33,163 --> 03:18:37,643
to enjoying at the Greenwood Community Center. Are activities that

2742
03:18:37,643 --> 03:18:40,643
we can offer through the city. And so we continue

2743
03:18:40,643 --> 03:18:45,539
to have those discussions and it does include. Their continued

2744
03:18:45,539 --> 03:18:49,899
participation in the community grant program that they currently participate

2745
03:18:49,899 --> 03:18:53,659
in. It allows them to receive funds from the city.

2746
03:18:53,659 --> 03:18:56,299
And then those funds go towards the rental of the

2747
03:18:56,299 --> 03:18:58,499
Greenwood Community center in the future, it would be the

2748
03:18:58,499 --> 03:19:03,115
rental of the Pickering heritage community center to operate. Those

2749
03:19:03,115 --> 03:19:07,315
community hamlet activities. They're used to having, whether they be

2750
03:19:07,315 --> 03:19:12,057
community events or festivals, so. We are in conversations with

2751
03:19:12,057 --> 03:19:17,108
them to facilitate that transition. And enable similar uses at

2752
03:19:17,108 --> 03:19:21,623
the new facility. But there is no at any point

2753
03:19:21,623 --> 03:19:25,343
that we will probably take away from any of the

2754
03:19:25,343 --> 03:19:29,463
activities. They do presently in order to accommodate in our

2755
03:19:29,463 --> 03:19:33,665
new facilities. So we're looking at the suite of activities

2756
03:19:33,665 --> 03:19:36,865
that they normally run to see what we can accommodate

2757
03:19:36,865 --> 03:19:40,834
and our intent. Is to facilitate and accommodate all those

2758
03:19:40,834 --> 03:19:46,280
that we can. There is, as was mentioned earlier, A

2759
03:19:46,280 --> 03:19:49,080
challenge in accommodating the weavers, as the weavers would like

2760
03:19:49,080 --> 03:19:52,280
the weavers would like dedicated space, and this facility is

2761
03:19:52,280 --> 03:19:54,360
going to be open to all users, and so there

2762
03:19:54,360 --> 03:19:57,360
isn't an opportunity to provide them with dedicated space. We

2763
03:19:57,360 --> 03:20:01,353
have a space for them. But it won't be dedicated

2764
03:20:01,353 --> 03:20:04,593
space. So we're continuing those discussions. But if they have

2765
03:20:04,593 --> 03:20:08,033
a dance class or. I understand they've had karate operating

2766
03:20:08,033 --> 03:20:11,113
there for a number of years and we'd love to

2767
03:20:11,113 --> 03:20:16,032
speak to the karate instructor and maintain that arrangement. We

2768
03:20:16,032 --> 03:20:19,472
just want to have those discussions to facilitate that transition.

2769
03:20:19,472 --> 03:20:24,782
Okay, that's great. Thank you. Ms. Maurice for addressing that.

2770
03:20:26,396 --> 03:20:30,836
Mr. Bentley, I know the questions about watershed came up

2771
03:20:30,836 --> 03:20:34,775
in one of the delegates. And when we built a

2772
03:20:34,775 --> 03:20:41,607
new subdivision, we take every proaction. Action preventive in terms

2773
03:20:41,607 --> 03:20:46,087
of flooding watershed. I know city does and have done

2774
03:20:46,087 --> 03:20:50,764
a good job. In terms of looking after and maintaining

2775
03:20:50,764 --> 03:20:53,964
a watershed area, maybe could you speak a little bit

2776
03:20:53,964 --> 03:20:59,438
on that. How this process works. So thank you, councilor,

2777
03:20:59,438 --> 03:21:03,283
but. It's been an ongoing process, and as you heard

2778
03:21:03,283 --> 03:21:06,363
this evening, there is a working group that's comprised of

2779
03:21:06,363 --> 03:21:11,613
a bunch of different. People with interest in this, including

2780
03:21:11,613 --> 03:21:15,246
the town of Ajax. And going through that, and with

2781
03:21:15,246 --> 03:21:17,726
conservation authority at the table, it's important to have that.

2782
03:21:17,726 --> 03:21:22,102
Expertise there. In the room working through that process. And

2783
03:21:22,102 --> 03:21:24,862
that's still ongoing. I see Fiaz has put his camera

2784
03:21:24,862 --> 03:21:28,342
on to maybe add some more details there, but certainly

2785
03:21:28,342 --> 03:21:33,116
it's important to identify with the preferred scenario. That's ultimately

2786
03:21:33,116 --> 03:21:38,752
chosen to. Address impacts from flooding and how that could

2787
03:21:38,752 --> 03:21:42,712
be mitigated through the design of the community. But Fias,

2788
03:21:42,712 --> 03:21:44,792
if you want to add in more to that, please.

2789
03:21:44,792 --> 03:21:48,912
Sure. Through you, madam chair. To councilor, but councilor, but

2790
03:21:48,912 --> 03:21:51,792
you can appreciate that the area of Northeast pick Green

2791
03:21:51,792 --> 03:21:55,745
there's. A lot of focus around the watershed work. And

2792
03:21:55,745 --> 03:22:00,665
so when we initiated the process for hiring SGL and

2793
03:22:00,665 --> 03:22:04,025
the planning experts, Paul Lowe's and his team. One of

2794
03:22:04,025 --> 03:22:06,625
the things we made sure we did was to bring

2795
03:22:06,625 --> 03:22:08,825
in the subject matter experts to help us with the

2796
03:22:08,825 --> 03:22:12,345
scope of work when it came to watershed study works.

2797
03:22:13,735 --> 03:22:18,050
And other similar studies. And the TRCA is really. The

2798
03:22:18,050 --> 03:22:20,770
experts in understanding what are the necessities, what are the.

2799
03:22:23,116 --> 03:22:26,592
Mitigating factors. And another critical piece to that, especially related

2800
03:22:26,592 --> 03:22:29,992
to Pickering, was our neighbors and Ajax. So we engaged

2801
03:22:29,992 --> 03:22:33,192
our neighbors in Ajax, and we made sure we sat

2802
03:22:33,192 --> 03:22:35,152
down with them and went through the process. Of how

2803
03:22:35,152 --> 03:22:39,472
the watershed study would ultimately be driven, the scope of

2804
03:22:39,472 --> 03:22:46,227
work. And to date. We are having ongoing dialogue with

2805
03:22:46,227 --> 03:22:48,707
the town of Ajax, their staff, and along with the

2806
03:22:48,707 --> 03:22:52,187
other stakeholders, who have raised it as a concern. But

2807
03:22:52,187 --> 03:22:54,907
ultimately, when you bring in the subject matter experts to

2808
03:22:54,907 --> 03:22:57,907
help you with the scope of work, help you work

2809
03:22:57,907 --> 03:23:01,667
with your consultant and city staff and staff. Across the

2810
03:23:01,667 --> 03:23:05,698
region, especially in the. Town of Ajax. It really helps

2811
03:23:05,698 --> 03:23:08,698
eliminate some of the concerns that people may have and

2812
03:23:08,698 --> 03:23:11,338
that's the approach we've taken and we've seen it work

2813
03:23:11,338 --> 03:23:14,578
with our relationship building. On this matter with the count

2814
03:23:14,578 --> 03:23:17,298
of Ajax. So the town of Ajax is fully engaged.

2815
03:23:19,195 --> 03:23:22,275
Yeah, that's great. Thank you, Fias, for addressing that Madam

2816
03:23:22,275 --> 03:23:24,795
chair. Those are the questions. I had. Thank you. Appreciate

2817
03:23:24,795 --> 03:23:30,243
that. You're welcome, councilor. But Councilor Brenner of two. Thank

2818
03:23:30,243 --> 03:23:36,147
you very much. Madam Chair. Through you to our staff.

2819
03:23:36,147 --> 03:23:40,212
And then I have some comments as well. Mr. Bentley.

2820
03:23:42,070 --> 03:23:44,830
Am I correct in understanding tonight is a motion to

2821
03:23:44,830 --> 03:23:51,589
receive? The report, correct? Yeah. So specifically to receive for

2822
03:23:51,589 --> 03:23:55,684
information. That would enable us to share that with the

2823
03:23:55,684 --> 03:23:58,924
commenting agencies and other interested parties to comment on this.

2824
03:24:02,392 --> 03:24:06,542
I understand correctly, because this is. An important question that

2825
03:24:06,542 --> 03:24:12,419
I'm asking you very specifically. Is tonight also the. Opportunity.

2826
03:24:13,629 --> 03:24:17,752
That while we're receiving the report. That staff will be

2827
03:24:17,752 --> 03:24:21,472
taken away. Comments that we have heard tonight, be it

2828
03:24:21,472 --> 03:24:24,912
from members of committee. Or and from the public delegations,

2829
03:24:24,912 --> 03:24:30,267
would that be correct as well? Yes. Despite the June

2830
03:24:30,267 --> 03:24:35,004
18 meeting coming up, this is another equal opportunity. For

2831
03:24:35,004 --> 03:24:37,084
comments that we've heard this evening, to take that in

2832
03:24:37,084 --> 03:24:39,921
and factor that in. So absolutely. Hey with that, then.

2833
03:24:41,976 --> 03:24:43,376
What I would like to get from you is some

2834
03:24:43,376 --> 03:24:50,824
assurances that, number one, That the staff are taken away

2835
03:24:50,824 --> 03:24:54,544
and will in fact provide information regarding and it would

2836
03:24:54,544 --> 03:24:57,024
raise by councilor pickles, and it was raised by the

2837
03:24:57,024 --> 03:25:06,675
public. A phasing. Of northeast Pickering. That the comments that

2838
03:25:06,675 --> 03:25:08,075
were made is you can't do it all at once.

2839
03:25:10,288 --> 03:25:13,368
So some elaboration and clarification in terms of a policy

2840
03:25:13,368 --> 03:25:17,848
that, in fact builds the phasing component in number two.

2841
03:25:19,046 --> 03:25:21,366
I would like to see something that talks about the

2842
03:25:21,366 --> 03:25:26,566
transitioning from agricultural lands to the urban envelope of northeast

2843
03:25:26,566 --> 03:25:31,686
Pickering. There's the acknowledgment that it's there, but I would

2844
03:25:31,686 --> 03:25:35,046
like to see some policies that are built into it

2845
03:25:35,046 --> 03:25:39,206
that talk about the transition, the transition there's no point

2846
03:25:39,206 --> 03:25:42,366
in having agricultural lands on one side of the road,

2847
03:25:42,366 --> 03:25:44,846
having urban develop on the other side of a road

2848
03:25:44,846 --> 03:25:48,446
because the agricultural lens aren't going to survive. So transition.

2849
03:25:48,224 --> 03:25:53,094
Transitioning is really key and critical to see that. The

2850
03:25:53,094 --> 03:25:57,154
other part. That I would like to see, having just

2851
03:25:57,154 --> 03:26:00,337
recently come back. From a visit to Granville island in

2852
03:26:00,337 --> 03:26:03,897
Vancouver. I would like to see some policy clarification. As

2853
03:26:03,897 --> 03:26:08,018
it relates to design guidelines. When I think of what

2854
03:26:08,018 --> 03:26:12,478
I saw in Vancouver in particular, I saw a mesh

2855
03:26:12,478 --> 03:26:18,862
of high rise developments that had interesting designs. That were

2856
03:26:18,862 --> 03:26:21,022
pieces of art, the way they were designed. As an

2857
03:26:21,022 --> 03:26:28,051
example, they abutted other medium. Density housing. But always they

2858
03:26:28,051 --> 03:26:33,529
had policies in place that talked about housing, farm. Architectural

2859
03:26:33,529 --> 03:26:36,409
control. I recognize that the planning act does not give

2860
03:26:36,409 --> 03:26:38,689
us that power, but I would like to see some

2861
03:26:38,689 --> 03:26:42,209
policies that will certainly encourage it. And I certainly know

2862
03:26:42,209 --> 03:26:46,089
that from dialogue with the Dorsey people from northeast Pickering

2863
03:26:46,089 --> 03:26:50,329
that is certainly receptive to looking at creative designs that

2864
03:26:50,329 --> 03:26:53,679
make this a very unique community. Finally, what I would

2865
03:26:53,679 --> 03:26:59,814
like to see. Is. Included in that would be something

2866
03:26:59,814 --> 03:27:04,170
that talks about massing as well. I'd like to see

2867
03:27:04,170 --> 03:27:06,970
something that while we're going to be doing intensification going

2868
03:27:06,970 --> 03:27:11,978
to be tribe and achieving. The targets. I'd also like

2869
03:27:11,978 --> 03:27:14,338
to get some idea in terms of massing of some

2870
03:27:14,338 --> 03:27:18,459
kind of controls and footprint size. So that there's a

2871
03:27:18,459 --> 03:27:23,059
range of not just slim and trim, but also the

2872
03:27:23,059 --> 03:27:29,623
opportunity to. Have flatter and more, I guess more medium

2873
03:27:29,623 --> 03:27:34,009
type density as well, but all blending together. Do I

2874
03:27:34,009 --> 03:27:36,849
have assurances that that, in fact, will be part of,

2875
03:27:36,849 --> 03:27:42,149
or can be part of. Where staff look at incorporating

2876
03:27:42,149 --> 03:27:46,183
that into policies for consideration. Not asking me to commit

2877
03:27:46,183 --> 03:27:49,823
to anything tonight. I'm asking for assurances that you've. Heard

2878
03:27:49,823 --> 03:27:54,638
loud and clear. The importance of that. Council. Brenner. I've

2879
03:27:54,638 --> 03:27:57,318
been taking notes as you've been speaking, and we've. Got

2880
03:27:57,318 --> 03:27:59,238
the video recording that we can refer back to. We

2881
03:27:59,238 --> 03:28:02,923
will definitely be taking this. Back to our team. Wonderful.

2882
03:28:02,923 --> 03:28:06,605
And the other question that I do have. And it

2883
03:28:06,605 --> 03:28:08,125
has to do with the high order of transit, and

2884
03:28:08,125 --> 03:28:12,143
I know that. The consultants did comment and FIas did

2885
03:28:12,143 --> 03:28:17,370
comment. While it's outside of the North Pickering area. Do

2886
03:28:17,370 --> 03:28:20,650
we? And I guess this would be more our staff.

2887
03:28:20,650 --> 03:28:26,516
Either Fiaz or yourself, Mr. Bentley. We are still pursuing.

2888
03:28:27,870 --> 03:28:33,238
I'm hoping to have a high frequency. Hike Wood rail

2889
03:28:33,238 --> 03:28:37,158
station in the city of Pickering in Greenwood or Green

2890
03:28:37,158 --> 03:28:41,091
River. Do we see this as tying into that as

2891
03:28:41,091 --> 03:28:44,291
part of the high order transit quarter system and how

2892
03:28:44,291 --> 03:28:47,856
do you envision that to look like? Yes. Do you

2893
03:28:47,856 --> 03:28:50,816
want to take that? Sure. Thanks, Kyle. Through you, madam

2894
03:28:50,816 --> 03:28:53,856
chair to Councilor Brenner. Councilor Brennan, that's a great question.

2895
03:28:53,856 --> 03:28:58,618
Something that I anticipated you asking tonight. If you can

2896
03:28:58,618 --> 03:29:03,763
imagine the fact that the high frequency rail system. We

2897
03:29:03,763 --> 03:29:07,083
are anticipating that to be on the existing right of

2898
03:29:07,083 --> 03:29:11,283
way of the Havelock line that does intercept the 407

2899
03:29:11,283 --> 03:29:13,643
right of way, which is on the south side. So

2900
03:29:13,643 --> 03:29:16,243
the work that has been done is to see how

2901
03:29:16,243 --> 03:29:19,683
there could be synergies between both of those systems. Now,

2902
03:29:21,300 --> 03:29:25,166
As you can appreciate. We are in the infancy stages

2903
03:29:25,166 --> 03:29:31,100
of understanding where the highest. Rail is going to operate

2904
03:29:31,100 --> 03:29:35,180
through and whether or not picking will be successful in

2905
03:29:35,180 --> 03:29:38,100
getting a station. Stop or not with respect to the

2906
03:29:38,100 --> 03:29:43,310
transertway corridor. It's always been as a policy document, going

2907
03:29:43,310 --> 03:29:46,190
back to the early 2000s with respect to Seaton and

2908
03:29:46,190 --> 03:29:50,030
the 407 Yi expansion through Durham. So we're hoping that.

2909
03:29:51,750 --> 03:29:55,110
Transitway corridor could serve the purpose it's always meant to

2910
03:29:55,110 --> 03:29:59,270
serve, and that is to help with not only bringing

2911
03:29:59,270 --> 03:30:02,430
traffic from the south to the north of transit users,

2912
03:30:02,430 --> 03:30:05,270
but also traffic from the north to the south as

2913
03:30:05,270 --> 03:30:08,621
well. You have the GO transit station on the south

2914
03:30:08,621 --> 03:30:11,861
side of Pickering, Amber trying to see how the two

2915
03:30:11,861 --> 03:30:15,563
can. Work together and adapt with each other, but that's

2916
03:30:15,563 --> 03:30:20,123
definitely something that we've had. Conversation with MTO, Metrolinks, and

2917
03:30:20,123 --> 03:30:23,130
obviously. With the Alto team, which is the team that

2918
03:30:23,130 --> 03:30:27,970
is federally running the high frequency speed. High speed. Rail

2919
03:30:27,970 --> 03:30:31,919
project now. Thank you very much, Fiaz and thank you,

2920
03:30:31,919 --> 03:30:36,039
Mr. Benton, for your comments and your response to mine

2921
03:30:36,039 --> 03:30:38,759
with that. Sorry. And councilor Brunner, just one more point.

2922
03:30:38,759 --> 03:30:44,191
I wanted to just. Add to what Kyle mentioned. As

2923
03:30:44,191 --> 03:30:46,351
part of the last question, when it comes to the

2924
03:30:46,351 --> 03:30:49,431
phasing of Northeast Pickering, I just want to make sure

2925
03:30:49,431 --> 03:30:53,334
that it's clear that. The phasing of a community like

2926
03:30:53,334 --> 03:30:56,974
northeast Pickering is driven by the infrastructure that comes to

2927
03:30:56,974 --> 03:31:00,931
the community. So. There has to be a phasing process

2928
03:31:00,931 --> 03:31:05,331
in place for infrastructure, for water, sanitary utilities and all

2929
03:31:05,331 --> 03:31:09,822
those other key elements to help drive growth, so. It's

2930
03:31:09,822 --> 03:31:14,732
almost. A confirmed idea that exists when it comes to

2931
03:31:14,732 --> 03:31:17,532
these types of new urban and boundary expansions. Where you

2932
03:31:17,532 --> 03:31:19,972
have to phase the development, and we're seeing that right

2933
03:31:19,972 --> 03:31:23,502
now in Seaton. As well. Where? Seat? The servicing and

2934
03:31:23,502 --> 03:31:25,782
all the different elements are being expended from the east

2935
03:31:25,782 --> 03:31:28,342
to the west. To get a scene up and running

2936
03:31:28,342 --> 03:31:30,222
so we can expect a scene for northeast Pickering as

2937
03:31:30,222 --> 03:31:34,777
well. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Bentley. And thank you

2938
03:31:34,777 --> 03:31:38,617
very much. Fiaz with that madam chair, I guess my

2939
03:31:38,617 --> 03:31:42,137
comments on this basically are very simple. Tonight is to

2940
03:31:42,137 --> 03:31:45,857
receive a report for information I have no problem supporting

2941
03:31:45,857 --> 03:31:50,040
receiving for information. With the caveat and understanding that we

2942
03:31:50,040 --> 03:31:53,280
do have that commitment from staff that we're far from

2943
03:31:53,280 --> 03:31:58,192
the end of this journey and. There's still opportunities. Whether

2944
03:31:58,192 --> 03:32:00,952
we to either disagree with it. But you can't disagree

2945
03:32:00,952 --> 03:32:03,592
with something until we know. What the final product is

2946
03:32:03,592 --> 03:32:06,552
going to be proposed. So tonight is to receive your

2947
03:32:06,552 --> 03:32:11,026
information. And I'm certainly prepared to do that. I look

2948
03:32:11,026 --> 03:32:15,426
forward to hearing how staff have incorporated. The very important

2949
03:32:15,426 --> 03:32:18,706
comments that we heard from the community tonight and from

2950
03:32:18,706 --> 03:32:22,920
also members of this committee. Great. Thank you, Councilor Brenner.

2951
03:32:22,920 --> 03:32:25,680
Thank you very much. You're very welcome. And. With that.

2952
03:32:27,641 --> 03:32:31,206
We will call the vote. Unless, councilor Robinson, you did

2953
03:32:31,206 --> 03:32:33,366
want to comment. Before you move on to comments, and

2954
03:32:33,366 --> 03:32:35,126
I am going to remind this council we are at

2955
03:32:35,126 --> 03:32:37,446
the bottom of the hour. We have 30 minutes until.

2956
03:32:37,446 --> 03:32:40,006
We will need to call for an extension and we

2957
03:32:40,006 --> 03:32:42,566
have not completed this item and have two more remaining.

2958
03:32:44,402 --> 03:32:46,602
So before we hit the top of the hour, I

2959
03:32:46,602 --> 03:32:50,442
may interrupt the next delegation in order to. Ask for

2960
03:32:50,442 --> 03:32:53,802
an extension. Go ahead. Councilor Robinson, you have the floor.

2961
03:32:53,802 --> 03:32:58,287
Super. Thank you so much. It's no surprise that I

2962
03:32:58,287 --> 03:33:02,933
am against this. And I'll give you some reasons why,

2963
03:33:02,933 --> 03:33:04,733
and I'm hoping that they make them. Into the comments

2964
03:33:04,733 --> 03:33:08,428
as well. The first one is because Seaton is nowhere

2965
03:33:08,428 --> 03:33:13,659
near being fully built out. Satan's only approximately 20% to

2966
03:33:13,659 --> 03:33:17,339
25% built out based on recent growth reports and development

2967
03:33:17,339 --> 03:33:21,619
activity. Thousands of residential units, employment lands and mixed use

2968
03:33:21,619 --> 03:33:26,523
spaces are already approved in service, but. They're still sitting

2969
03:33:26,523 --> 03:33:31,646
undeveloped. There is ample capacity at Seaton to meet Pickerings

2970
03:33:31,646 --> 03:33:35,486
near and midterm housing and employment needs without touching northeast

2971
03:33:35,486 --> 03:33:44,652
peckering. There's no population pressure that justifies immediate expansion. Developing

2972
03:33:44,652 --> 03:33:48,652
northeast Pickering before Seaton is built out with strange city

2973
03:33:48,652 --> 03:33:53,472
resources. That would undermine smart growth principles. It will increase

2974
03:33:53,472 --> 03:33:57,832
the burden on taxpayer payers to service new, fragmented, fragmented

2975
03:33:57,832 --> 03:34:03,152
communities and is going to accelerate farmland loss, any environmental

2976
03:34:03,152 --> 03:34:08,102
disruption unnecessarily. And that, as we know, we've all been,

2977
03:34:08,102 --> 03:34:10,462
there's been a lot of talk. And concerns about that.

2978
03:34:12,277 --> 03:34:17,146
The proposed development relies heavily on infrastructure. That is not

2979
03:34:17,146 --> 03:34:21,376
yet built or funded. They're talking about type C arterial

2980
03:34:21,376 --> 03:34:27,379
roads that are proposed. But that remains conceptual. Transit plants

2981
03:34:27,379 --> 03:34:31,339
are not supported or confirmed by agency involvements or financial

2982
03:34:31,339 --> 03:34:36,493
commitments. Water, wastewater and stormwater systems will need to be

2983
03:34:36,493 --> 03:34:39,973
constructed from the ground up because they are not there.

2984
03:34:39,973 --> 03:34:43,093
And there's no clear plan for expanding fire, police or

2985
03:34:43,093 --> 03:34:48,140
emergency medical services for the area as well. For the

2986
03:34:48,140 --> 03:34:53,844
environmental impact that it's going to have, although. One of

2987
03:34:53,844 --> 03:34:58,194
the concepts a label as being environment focused. The plan

2988
03:34:58,194 --> 03:35:04,726
includes road crossings through the natural heritage system. Fragmentation of

2989
03:35:04,726 --> 03:35:10,486
ecological corridors and restorate words like restoration and compensation areas

2990
03:35:10,486 --> 03:35:16,086
that appear to offset rather than prevent environmental loss, I

2991
03:35:16,086 --> 03:35:19,206
think we should be cautious of plans that present development

2992
03:35:19,206 --> 03:35:25,846
as environmental protection without. A transparent ecological impact study. Or

2993
03:35:25,846 --> 03:35:30,686
conservation authority endorsement at this time. And then there's the

2994
03:35:30,686 --> 03:35:33,206
farmland. We hear a lot. Of talk about the farmland.

2995
03:35:33,206 --> 03:35:37,166
This area includes some of Dura region's most productive agricultural

2996
03:35:37,166 --> 03:35:43,996
land according to the city's own agriculture impact assessment. Irreversible

2997
03:35:43,996 --> 03:35:48,196
conversion of farmland is expected. And in the time when

2998
03:35:48,196 --> 03:35:52,836
food security and local food systems are critical. Protecting arable

2999
03:35:52,836 --> 03:35:56,556
land must remain one of our top priorities here in

3000
03:35:56,556 --> 03:36:02,024
pictoring. The preferred land use concept was shaped in part

3001
03:36:02,024 --> 03:36:06,944
by landowners input, not by the community. Many of whom

3002
03:36:06,944 --> 03:36:12,264
are developers or their land speculators. While stakeholders engagement is

3003
03:36:12,264 --> 03:36:15,864
important, the balance or inflows must be transparent, and I

3004
03:36:15,864 --> 03:36:20,500
think it needs to be equitable. There is concern that

3005
03:36:20,500 --> 03:36:25,860
economic interests have overshowered community feedback and shaping this financial

3006
03:36:25,860 --> 03:36:31,416
layout. And then. If you want to talk about the

3007
03:36:31,416 --> 03:36:34,896
lack of financial transparency within this report, like who's going

3008
03:36:34,896 --> 03:36:37,856
to find the necessary infrastructure and services will exist. Will

3009
03:36:37,856 --> 03:36:41,896
existing taxpayers be asked to subsidize this growth, or what

3010
03:36:41,896 --> 03:36:46,936
happens if development outpaces revenues? Long term financial liability must

3011
03:36:46,936 --> 03:36:50,528
be clearly identified before council makes a decision. That's going

3012
03:36:50,528 --> 03:36:55,488
to bind future budgets. We're already stressed in that department

3013
03:36:55,488 --> 03:36:59,114
already. That's pretty much all I really want to say.

3014
03:37:01,724 --> 03:37:05,363
I think that. A responsible approach to this would be.

3015
03:37:06,762 --> 03:37:11,940
To proceed very cautiously. I think we need to reassess

3016
03:37:11,940 --> 03:37:14,380
community needs, and I think we need to ensure full

3017
03:37:14,380 --> 03:37:17,700
transparency before we're committing to something that is going to

3018
03:37:17,700 --> 03:37:25,299
be an irreversible. Irreversible development. So I would like to

3019
03:37:25,299 --> 03:37:28,139
get a recorded vote with this. I know we're just

3020
03:37:28,139 --> 03:37:30,219
receiving. It today, but I'd still like to have a

3021
03:37:30,219 --> 03:37:34,139
recorded vote if I'm madam. Chair and madam clerk. Thank

3022
03:37:34,139 --> 03:37:37,427
you. You are welcome and recorded vote is always in

3023
03:37:37,427 --> 03:37:41,187
order. Before we move to that, I do just have

3024
03:37:41,187 --> 03:37:45,009
one comment. As well. I won't belabor the point because

3025
03:37:45,009 --> 03:37:48,116
I think all of my colleagues have made. Outstanding points.

3026
03:37:49,662 --> 03:37:53,183
Surrounding the entire issue. I've said it before, I have

3027
03:37:53,183 --> 03:37:59,153
some fundamental issues with how. We. Expend our boundaries and

3028
03:37:59,153 --> 03:38:02,892
change things permanently. I would also like to point out

3029
03:38:02,892 --> 03:38:04,972
one of the key points in the report, since we

3030
03:38:04,972 --> 03:38:07,012
didn't really dig into reading some of that. Just so

3031
03:38:07,012 --> 03:38:12,002
the public is aware that item three. Point. 33 in

3032
03:38:12,002 --> 03:38:16,475
a report. Notes that envision Durham was passed by the

3033
03:38:16,475 --> 03:38:20,475
regional council in September 2024, and then in January of

3034
03:38:20,475 --> 03:38:24,475
2025, the province announced that the region would be deemed.

3035
03:38:25,822 --> 03:38:31,606
As an upper term municipality. With no planning. Responsibility, which

3036
03:38:31,606 --> 03:38:35,580
means that the final approval. On all of the plans

3037
03:38:35,580 --> 03:38:38,993
that we are discussing today. Remain the purview of the

3038
03:38:38,993 --> 03:38:41,953
province, and there the final arbiter of approval on this.

3039
03:38:41,953 --> 03:38:45,528
That being said, I am going to support this because

3040
03:38:45,528 --> 03:38:47,928
it is received for information. I think it is important

3041
03:38:47,928 --> 03:38:52,008
that we continue with public input and continue to hold

3042
03:38:52,008 --> 03:38:55,806
the public meetings on this. So that we can continue

3043
03:38:55,806 --> 03:39:01,840
to have that dialogue. As it's very important. Just one

3044
03:39:01,840 --> 03:39:04,560
other further question that I'm unclear on. I'm not sure

3045
03:39:04,560 --> 03:39:08,160
if this is a Kyle point or politics is for

3046
03:39:08,160 --> 03:39:14,197
you. I noted. There was a question on indigenous consultation.

3047
03:39:15,447 --> 03:39:19,591
That has been completed, yes. And we will continue to

3048
03:39:19,591 --> 03:39:21,871
engage them as we move through the next couple of

3049
03:39:21,871 --> 03:39:26,493
public information sessions. I can speak to that a little

3050
03:39:26,493 --> 03:39:32,132
bit. Councilor Cook. Certainly. The city of Pickering, we're committed

3051
03:39:32,132 --> 03:39:36,595
to fostering a meaningful engagement. With msifn miss sagas of

3052
03:39:36,595 --> 03:39:41,011
skug island, first nation and. It's been a journey. It

3053
03:39:41,011 --> 03:39:45,736
continues to be, and certainly. We've got an agreement working

3054
03:39:45,736 --> 03:39:50,067
with msifn. For them to be at the table and

3055
03:39:50,067 --> 03:39:54,541
to provide comments input to us. And this structured engagement

3056
03:39:54,541 --> 03:39:58,049
in that way, and we continue to do that. So

3057
03:39:58,049 --> 03:40:03,111
we will continue in the coming weeks as well. To

3058
03:40:03,111 --> 03:40:05,591
make sure that we're hearing what they have to say

3059
03:40:05,591 --> 03:40:08,511
and that we're factoring that into our review of this

3060
03:40:08,511 --> 03:40:11,511
fiat. Did you want to add anything to that? Yeah.

3061
03:40:11,511 --> 03:40:18,078
Sure, madam chair. We have had communications with. The first

3062
03:40:18,078 --> 03:40:23,748
nations. From the onset, we've continued to have dialogue. Through

3063
03:40:23,748 --> 03:40:28,115
our consultant, Sgl. And Dylan as well. And we are

3064
03:40:28,115 --> 03:40:35,222
also having dialogue through. The idea that. We will continue

3065
03:40:35,222 --> 03:40:40,020
to have the consultation. And the communications with the MSifn.

3066
03:40:41,781 --> 03:40:44,061
Not only through this process of the next couple of

3067
03:40:44,061 --> 03:40:52,050
months, but also following. The approval of the northeast. Pickering

3068
03:40:52,050 --> 03:40:57,052
secondary plan and moving forward, and then eventually. That responsibility

3069
03:40:57,052 --> 03:40:59,732
becomes far greater for the landowners group as well. For

3070
03:40:59,732 --> 03:41:04,212
them to have continued dialogue with MsIFn as well, and

3071
03:41:04,212 --> 03:41:07,292
all the other first station crews, because that is something

3072
03:41:07,292 --> 03:41:11,988
that the city has requested. As part of our. Ongoing

3073
03:41:11,988 --> 03:41:14,468
commitment to work with the first nations because we feel

3074
03:41:14,468 --> 03:41:18,728
it's critical. But as part of the city driven process,

3075
03:41:18,728 --> 03:41:21,328
which is the secondary plan we are committed to doing.

3076
03:41:21,328 --> 03:41:24,168
That, and we will continue to have the open dialogue.

3077
03:41:24,168 --> 03:41:29,829
But following the northeast pickering secondary plan process, When it's

3078
03:41:29,829 --> 03:41:34,756
really driven by the landowners. We encourage, and I've asked

3079
03:41:34,756 --> 03:41:38,756
landowners to have that memorandum of understanding, to have a

3080
03:41:38,756 --> 03:41:41,276
commitment. To work with them and to listen to their

3081
03:41:41,276 --> 03:41:44,516
concerns as well as you heard our consultant talk. About

3082
03:41:44,516 --> 03:41:47,756
neighborhood planning and subdivision planning and all those different factors

3083
03:41:47,756 --> 03:41:50,556
that would happen after the fact. We have asked our

3084
03:41:50,556 --> 03:41:53,587
landowners to make sure that the first. Nations are part

3085
03:41:53,587 --> 03:41:55,827
of those conversations as well. Great. Thank you for that.

3086
03:41:57,738 --> 03:42:01,378
Madam Clerk, I believe councilor Robinson called for recorded governments.

3087
03:42:01,378 --> 03:42:06,441
If you could kindly take the role. Councilor Robinson. No.

3088
03:42:06,441 --> 03:42:16,364
Councilor Brenner. Yes. Councilor butt. Yes. Councilor pickles. Yes, Mayor

3089
03:42:16,364 --> 03:42:22,120
Ash. Yes, madam Chair. That's carried five to one. Thank

3090
03:42:22,120 --> 03:42:25,200
you, Madam Clerk. Now, before we move on to our

3091
03:42:25,200 --> 03:42:29,230
next item, which is 4.2. We do have. Joint delegation.

3092
03:42:31,054 --> 03:42:35,225
For an extension. Yes, thank you. Moving for an extension.

3093
03:42:35,225 --> 03:42:38,825
I was seconding that motion. Thank you for the clarity.

3094
03:42:38,825 --> 03:42:41,985
On that. So for the audience at home, councilor Bot

3095
03:42:41,985 --> 03:42:47,202
has just moved. An extension seconded by Councilor Brunner, and

3096
03:42:47,202 --> 03:42:49,442
we're going to vote on. That it does require a

3097
03:42:49,442 --> 03:42:52,762
majority to extend 1 hour to midnight, which is as

3098
03:42:52,762 --> 03:42:55,832
late as this. Meeting can go. So, all those in

3099
03:42:55,832 --> 03:43:00,426
favor? And we have one opposed. So that carries. We

3100
03:43:00,426 --> 03:43:04,726
are going to carry on. All right. Thank you for

3101
03:43:04,726 --> 03:43:09,568
that. Hopefully we still have our next two delegates on

3102
03:43:09,568 --> 03:43:13,465
the line. For item 4.2, which is Jamie Cook and

3103
03:43:13,465 --> 03:43:20,357
Bobby Gotier. Jamie Cook? No relations myself. His managing partner,

3104
03:43:20,357 --> 03:43:23,357
a land planning in land economics at Watson and associates

3105
03:43:23,357 --> 03:43:27,277
economist, and joining him as Bobby Gotier from WSP and

3106
03:43:27,277 --> 03:43:32,449
they will be speaking on Pickering official plan review. Gentlemen.

3107
03:43:32,449 --> 03:43:37,468
Okay, your presentation is up. You may go ahead. Thank

3108
03:43:37,468 --> 03:43:40,708
you and good evening. Can you hear me okay? Yes,

3109
03:43:40,708 --> 03:43:43,508
absolutely. We can hear you fine, thank you. Thank you.

3110
03:43:43,508 --> 03:43:45,668
So, good evening, madam chair members of council. It's a

3111
03:43:45,668 --> 03:43:47,828
pleasure to be able to speak to you tonight to

3112
03:43:47,828 --> 03:43:51,468
present you the draft or, sorry, the final results of

3113
03:43:51,468 --> 03:43:56,103
our Pickering City Pickering growth management strategy. If we could

3114
03:43:56,103 --> 03:44:00,958
go to the introduction. Slide on slide two. So just

3115
03:44:00,958 --> 03:44:05,358
to start off, we were retained back in 2024 along

3116
03:44:05,358 --> 03:44:08,758
with WSP to develop a growth management strategy for the

3117
03:44:08,758 --> 03:44:11,278
city of Pickering, and the purpose of the study is

3118
03:44:11,278 --> 03:44:15,398
to comprehensively assess the city's long term population, housing and

3119
03:44:15,398 --> 03:44:19,678
employment growth outlook. Looking at the 2051 we've also looked

3120
03:44:19,678 --> 03:44:24,327
at residential. Intensification opportunities as well as an assessment of

3121
03:44:24,327 --> 03:44:27,961
urban land needs. To that same time period. A key

3122
03:44:27,961 --> 03:44:30,801
component of the GMS is also to assess a series

3123
03:44:30,801 --> 03:44:33,921
of or provide a series of policy recommendations as well

3124
03:44:33,921 --> 03:44:36,601
as broad planning direction for the seat and employment area,

3125
03:44:36,601 --> 03:44:41,111
which I'll speak to. Next slide. So it's important to

3126
03:44:41,111 --> 03:44:45,071
first acknowledge that this Pickering GMS study was conducted within

3127
03:44:45,071 --> 03:44:48,471
the context of the current provincial planning policy framework. So

3128
03:44:48,471 --> 03:44:55,890
back in 2024, in October. The new provincial planning statement,

3129
03:44:55,890 --> 03:45:01,193
the PPS, came into effect. This document essentially integrates the

3130
03:45:01,193 --> 03:45:04,193
former growth plan for the greater golden horseshoe and the

3131
03:45:04,193 --> 03:45:10,256
2020 pps. Into one integrated document and. A key outcome

3132
03:45:10,256 --> 03:45:12,976
of that process was to ultimately provide a more outcome

3133
03:45:12,976 --> 03:45:18,409
based, less prescriptive approach to planning in Ontario. As you

3134
03:45:18,409 --> 03:45:23,169
mentioned earlier, it's also important to note that through. This

3135
03:45:23,169 --> 03:45:27,485
bill. Bill 185. A key outcome of that was the

3136
03:45:27,485 --> 03:45:30,805
removal of the Germ region as an aperture planning authority.

3137
03:45:32,129 --> 03:45:36,369
And so, as envisionderm, which is now approved, provides the

3138
03:45:36,369 --> 03:45:40,449
growth management framework to be integrated into the city's official

3139
03:45:40,449 --> 03:45:47,160
plan. Where appropriate. It is noted that, however, That significant

3140
03:45:47,160 --> 03:45:49,840
changes have occurred through the provincial planning framework since that

3141
03:45:49,840 --> 03:45:53,960
time, and so this work ultimately considers both envision Durham

3142
03:45:53,960 --> 03:45:57,520
as well as the recent provincial changes in developing the

3143
03:45:57,520 --> 03:46:00,720
city's gms and ultimately the direction to the official plan.

3144
03:46:02,471 --> 03:46:06,691
Next slide. So if we can go to slide five,

3145
03:46:06,691 --> 03:46:09,051
I wanted to provide a bit of an overview of.

3146
03:46:09,051 --> 03:46:13,491
The population, housing and employment growth forecast assessment. So as

3147
03:46:13,491 --> 03:46:18,750
part of this work, We did provide a very comprehensive

3148
03:46:18,750 --> 03:46:21,750
assessment of the city's long term population growth outlook to

3149
03:46:21,750 --> 03:46:25,350
the year 2051. And as it was mentioned earlier, the

3150
03:46:25,350 --> 03:46:29,230
top down process that's involved with doing this. It's ultimately,

3151
03:46:29,230 --> 03:46:31,830
in our opinion, a top down process, but also a

3152
03:46:31,830 --> 03:46:35,959
bottom. Up process. There is a lot of. Macro and

3153
03:46:35,959 --> 03:46:38,159
broader work that needs to be done first to understand

3154
03:46:38,159 --> 03:46:41,159
how the growth for pickering fits within the broader context

3155
03:46:41,159 --> 03:46:44,891
of Durham. And the GTA and beyond. And so we

3156
03:46:44,891 --> 03:46:50,731
did that comprehensive assessment, and we identified. That essentially. The

3157
03:46:50,731 --> 03:46:54,280
city is ultimately tracking. Closely to envision Derm and that

3158
03:46:54,280 --> 03:46:58,800
envisionderm population forecast 2051 is still an appropriate long term

3159
03:46:58,800 --> 03:47:03,619
projection for the city. We did some minor tweaking to

3160
03:47:03,619 --> 03:47:06,777
the near term projections, but ultimately. We're still planning for

3161
03:47:06,777 --> 03:47:14,907
256,400 people by 2051. That's an increase of about 152,600

3162
03:47:14,907 --> 03:47:18,867
new residents. That represents a growth rate of about 3.1%

3163
03:47:18,867 --> 03:47:23,193
annually, so it's a very strong. Population growth rate. Quite

3164
03:47:23,193 --> 03:47:25,193
a bit higher than the Durham region growth rate, which

3165
03:47:25,193 --> 03:47:29,839
is 2%, which is also strong. Growth rate, so. We're

3166
03:47:29,839 --> 03:47:32,159
looking at an area that's located within a very fast

3167
03:47:32,159 --> 03:47:37,435
growing. Larger city region. And it is one of the

3168
03:47:37,435 --> 03:47:43,131
fastest growing areas within that larger, fast growing area. So

3169
03:47:43,131 --> 03:47:46,011
to accommodate this amount of population, we've identified a need

3170
03:47:46,011 --> 03:47:50,651
for about 1840 additional households. Annually over the next 30

3171
03:47:50,651 --> 03:47:54,309
years. Through a variety of different types of low, medium,

3172
03:47:54,309 --> 03:47:58,062
and high density housing. On the next slide, I wanted

3173
03:47:58,062 --> 03:48:01,262
to just summarize the employment forecast. We've also conducted a

3174
03:48:01,262 --> 03:48:04,942
review of the city's long term employment forecast, and similar

3175
03:48:04,942 --> 03:48:09,254
to the population analysis, we have concluded that. The long

3176
03:48:09,254 --> 03:48:13,147
term. Employment forecast set out by Vision Durham is still

3177
03:48:13,147 --> 03:48:17,947
an appropriate long term forecast that identifies a total employment

3178
03:48:17,947 --> 03:48:23,307
base of 93,800 employees by 2051. That's an increase of

3179
03:48:23,307 --> 03:48:28,907
over 50,000 jobs between 2024 and 2051. It's an annual

3180
03:48:28,907 --> 03:48:33,043
growth rate of just under. 3%. Again, that's a strong

3181
03:48:33,043 --> 03:48:37,443
growth rate, higher than the average growth rate for the

3182
03:48:37,443 --> 03:48:40,869
region as a whole. And we've also identified an employment

3183
03:48:40,869 --> 03:48:43,989
activity rate, which is the ratio of jobs to population.

3184
03:48:43,989 --> 03:48:47,789
Of about 37%. And you can see that over the

3185
03:48:47,789 --> 03:48:52,692
long term, the activity rate. Is. Expected to stay relatively

3186
03:48:52,692 --> 03:48:55,732
stable. It's expected to grow over the near term, but

3187
03:48:55,732 --> 03:48:58,932
then fall gradually over the long term, as the population

3188
03:48:58,932 --> 03:49:03,963
ages, it puts downward pressure on that population. Employment to

3189
03:49:03,963 --> 03:49:07,923
population ratio as more people are leaving the labor force

3190
03:49:07,923 --> 03:49:11,569
pool. So it is. An encouraging sign that we do

3191
03:49:11,569 --> 03:49:14,649
feel that over the long term we will maintain that

3192
03:49:14,649 --> 03:49:20,630
relative average or ratio. The next slide gets into. Some

3193
03:49:20,630 --> 03:49:23,470
of the analysis that builds on these population, housing and

3194
03:49:23,470 --> 03:49:27,310
employment projections. So as part of this work, we conducted

3195
03:49:27,310 --> 03:49:31,870
a series of long term growth scenarios, and so, given

3196
03:49:31,870 --> 03:49:34,710
some of the recent interest in development of some of

3197
03:49:34,710 --> 03:49:37,750
the key strategic growth areas within the city. Areas like.

3198
03:49:39,541 --> 03:49:43,585
The city center and the Kingston Road corridor. And potential

3199
03:49:43,585 --> 03:49:48,784
higher densities for these areas. As well as. Higher development

3200
03:49:48,784 --> 03:49:52,704
potential in Seaton. We did conduct three long term growth

3201
03:49:52,704 --> 03:49:57,064
scenarios beyond just their scenario. One and vision derm scenario.

3202
03:49:57,064 --> 03:50:00,104
So those scenarios looked at higher rates of intensification as

3203
03:50:00,104 --> 03:50:05,474
well as potentially higher average greenfield density. Levels over the

3204
03:50:05,474 --> 03:50:09,714
long term, and these scenarios were not necessarily meant. To

3205
03:50:09,714 --> 03:50:12,554
ultimately provide a different outcome than envision derm, but we

3206
03:50:12,554 --> 03:50:17,627
did want to assess the sensitivity to show. How variations

3207
03:50:17,627 --> 03:50:21,227
in intensification and Greenfield density would affect the overall need

3208
03:50:21,227 --> 03:50:24,827
for urban lands within the city over the long term.

3209
03:50:24,827 --> 03:50:28,107
And so the three long term scenarios that we've prepared

3210
03:50:28,107 --> 03:50:31,387
are scenario one, which is essentially the envision derm scenario

3211
03:50:31,387 --> 03:50:36,227
that sets out a 40% intensification target and 52 people

3212
03:50:36,227 --> 03:50:38,848
in job. Jobs per hectare for community air expansion lands.

3213
03:50:40,992 --> 03:50:45,272
For scenario two, we increase that intensification target to 45%

3214
03:50:45,272 --> 03:50:48,952
and increase the overall greenfield density target to 65 people

3215
03:50:48,952 --> 03:50:52,490
in jobs per hectare. We also looked at a third

3216
03:50:52,490 --> 03:50:56,330
scenario which increased further increase the intensification target the 50%.

3217
03:50:57,803 --> 03:51:00,763
And kept the overall density target at 65 people in

3218
03:51:00,763 --> 03:51:06,076
jobs per hectare. And so. On the next slide provide

3219
03:51:06,076 --> 03:51:12,304
you the results of that work. Scenario one ultimately. Provides

3220
03:51:12,304 --> 03:51:15,864
us with the outcome of the envision Durham work, which

3221
03:51:15,864 --> 03:51:22,676
generates a land requirement of 948 ha. For community area

3222
03:51:22,676 --> 03:51:23,916
land. And I just want to back up for a

3223
03:51:23,916 --> 03:51:27,372
second. Then when we were looking at? Urban lands. We

3224
03:51:27,372 --> 03:51:30,612
generally divide these lands or allocate them into two broad

3225
03:51:30,612 --> 03:51:32,852
buckets. The first is community area lands, which is what

3226
03:51:32,852 --> 03:51:35,412
I'm speaking to now. So this is essentially where we

3227
03:51:35,412 --> 03:51:40,799
accommodate people. And jobs to support. To support the daily

3228
03:51:40,799 --> 03:51:44,799
function of residents. So that's retail, institutional uses and other

3229
03:51:44,799 --> 03:51:49,439
commercial uses. So these land numbers that I'm quoting now

3230
03:51:49,439 --> 03:51:52,399
refer to those community area lands. We also looked at

3231
03:51:52,399 --> 03:51:57,525
employment area lands, which is essentially where people work. And

3232
03:51:57,525 --> 03:51:59,125
we've heard a little bit about some of the changes

3233
03:51:59,125 --> 03:52:02,245
to the provincial policy with respect to the definition of

3234
03:52:02,245 --> 03:52:05,765
employment areas, the province is now taking a more narrow

3235
03:52:05,765 --> 03:52:09,645
scope or definition of employment area largely being industrial, with

3236
03:52:09,645 --> 03:52:16,009
some ancillary. And supportive uses that would be permitted, provided

3237
03:52:16,009 --> 03:52:19,369
that they are ancillary or accessory to the industrial use.

3238
03:52:19,369 --> 03:52:21,249
So those are the two broad buckets, and I'll just

3239
03:52:21,249 --> 03:52:24,289
get back to. This slide here. So the first slide

3240
03:52:24,289 --> 03:52:28,001
was or. Sorry, the first scenario was. If we can

3241
03:52:28,001 --> 03:52:31,976
go back. I'm going to just finish that slide. Thank

3242
03:52:31,976 --> 03:52:35,176
you. So the first scenario was the envision Durham scenario,

3243
03:52:35,176 --> 03:52:37,016
and then you can see in scenario two. When we

3244
03:52:37,016 --> 03:52:42,357
increase that intensification target to 45%. And the increase in

3245
03:52:42,357 --> 03:52:46,077
density to 65 people in jobs per hectare, that does

3246
03:52:46,077 --> 03:52:49,572
have a fairly. Significant increase, or, sorry, I should say

3247
03:52:49,572 --> 03:52:53,532
decrease on the overall land requirement results in a 45%.

3248
03:52:53,532 --> 03:52:57,212
Reduction in the long term land requirement. Going to scenario

3249
03:52:57,212 --> 03:53:00,932
three, a further increase to the intensification target. Holding that

3250
03:53:00,932 --> 03:53:04,932
density target the same results in a further reduction to

3251
03:53:04,932 --> 03:53:08,552
the overall land requirement. Down to 360. Ha. Which. Is

3252
03:53:08,552 --> 03:53:11,472
about a 60% reduction in the long term land need

3253
03:53:11,472 --> 03:53:15,041
relative to scenario one. So it does give you. Some

3254
03:53:15,041 --> 03:53:18,890
sense of how sensitive these assumptions are. Our general opinion

3255
03:53:18,890 --> 03:53:22,530
on looking at these scenarios, and I was directly involved

3256
03:53:22,530 --> 03:53:25,930
with the envision durham work working for the region is

3257
03:53:25,930 --> 03:53:30,090
that we think that these intensification targets, particularly the base

3258
03:53:30,090 --> 03:53:36,136
target is. An appropriate target for intensification for the city.

3259
03:53:36,136 --> 03:53:38,456
We do need to make sure that we're providing a

3260
03:53:38,456 --> 03:53:41,456
balanced mix of housing by structure types, so we need

3261
03:53:41,456 --> 03:53:44,936
low density forms of housing, medium density forms of housing

3262
03:53:44,936 --> 03:53:48,597
and high density forms. We can't do that. If we.

3263
03:53:50,421 --> 03:53:54,235
Overshoot the intensification target. So we do think that's an

3264
03:53:54,235 --> 03:53:58,366
appropriate target. The Greenfield density target, in our opinion, is

3265
03:53:58,366 --> 03:54:03,408
low. We've recognized that in our work. And we have

3266
03:54:03,408 --> 03:54:09,264
acknowledged that it could take longer for, ultimately for. The

3267
03:54:09,264 --> 03:54:11,984
Northeast victory area to build out, and that has been

3268
03:54:11,984 --> 03:54:15,838
acknowledged through the secondary plan work that. That growth that's

3269
03:54:15,838 --> 03:54:17,998
being planned for is a minimum amount of growth, and

3270
03:54:17,998 --> 03:54:24,857
ultimately the area could accommodate. A greater amount of population

3271
03:54:24,857 --> 03:54:31,223
and housing, particularly. Next slide. So, moving on to the

3272
03:54:31,223 --> 03:54:39,693
employment area forecast and landing's assessment. The employment area. Forecast

3273
03:54:39,693 --> 03:54:43,693
is about 22,000 jobs. That represents about 44% of the

3274
03:54:43,693 --> 03:54:49,597
overall. Future. Job growth within the city from 2024 to

3275
03:54:49,597 --> 03:54:54,892
2051. About 15,600 of those jobs are anticipated to be

3276
03:54:54,892 --> 03:54:59,612
accommodated in existing designated employment area land so the majority

3277
03:54:59,612 --> 03:55:02,252
of those lands are vacant. Lands within Seaton. There's still

3278
03:55:02,252 --> 03:55:07,787
some remaining. Lands and intensification opportunities in South Pickering and

3279
03:55:07,787 --> 03:55:12,787
then the remaining 6600 jobs would be accommodated through urban

3280
03:55:12,787 --> 03:55:17,413
expansion in northeast Pickering. At a density of about 28

3281
03:55:17,413 --> 03:55:19,973
jobs per hectare. That results in a land requirement of

3282
03:55:19,973 --> 03:55:25,672
about 235 ha. Next slide. So on the following slide.

3283
03:55:29,383 --> 03:55:33,693
I wanted to just point out that. As part of

3284
03:55:33,693 --> 03:55:36,510
this gms work. A specific consideration was given to the

3285
03:55:36,510 --> 03:55:40,190
seat and employment area as this area represents the location

3286
03:55:40,190 --> 03:55:43,830
of almost all of the city's remaining designated greenfield, or

3287
03:55:43,830 --> 03:55:49,750
growth area. The DJ lands outside of any future urban

3288
03:55:49,750 --> 03:55:54,550
expansion lands by 2051, the seat in urban areas forecast

3289
03:55:54,550 --> 03:55:57,451
to accommodate. A revised population based on our analysis of

3290
03:55:57,451 --> 03:56:02,181
65,000 people and just under 30,000. Jobs. The seat and

3291
03:56:02,181 --> 03:56:05,181
employment areas anticipate to play a significant role within the

3292
03:56:05,181 --> 03:56:08,862
city and the region. In accommodating high quality employment opportunities

3293
03:56:08,862 --> 03:56:13,171
over the next several decades. Given this, the significant changes

3294
03:56:13,171 --> 03:56:17,051
to provincial policy, the long term vision for the seat

3295
03:56:17,051 --> 03:56:19,251
and employment area has been a key focus of this

3296
03:56:19,251 --> 03:56:22,771
gms. And on the next slide, I just wanted to

3297
03:56:22,771 --> 03:56:28,959
summarize. That focus. So as part of the GMS work,

3298
03:56:28,959 --> 03:56:34,924
and given this revised provincial planning. Direction with respect to

3299
03:56:34,924 --> 03:56:38,164
employment areas. We did complete a review of the preliminary

3300
03:56:38,164 --> 03:56:43,443
incedin. A key focus of that was looking at there's

3301
03:56:43,443 --> 03:56:46,643
two designated employment nodes within the seat. And employment area.

3302
03:56:46,643 --> 03:56:51,238
The innovation corridor. Those employment nodes restricts some land use.

3303
03:56:51,973 --> 03:56:56,423
Uses that are permitted in the prestigious employment designation. They

3304
03:56:56,423 --> 03:57:02,551
generally focus on. A more major office or standalone office

3305
03:57:02,551 --> 03:57:08,369
component. With supportive commercial and other employment supportive uses. Those

3306
03:57:08,369 --> 03:57:11,889
uses would no longer be permitted as an employment area

3307
03:57:11,889 --> 03:57:14,209
under the definition. So that required us to take a

3308
03:57:14,209 --> 03:57:19,723
look at. The designation to provide recommendations. And so that

3309
03:57:19,723 --> 03:57:22,523
work has been done. It's been done within the framework

3310
03:57:22,523 --> 03:57:31,568
of. The current. Planning. Policy direction. With again specific focus

3311
03:57:31,568 --> 03:57:34,568
placed on the prestige employment nodes as well as some

3312
03:57:34,568 --> 03:57:40,876
other employment area lands. Within. The Seaton innovation corridor. And

3313
03:57:40,876 --> 03:57:46,084
those details are provided in the GMS report. In addition

3314
03:57:46,084 --> 03:57:49,644
to that policy, those policy recognitions, we also prepared a

3315
03:57:49,644 --> 03:57:53,084
series of broader policy recommendations. For the city, which my

3316
03:57:53,084 --> 03:57:57,284
colleague Bobby Goche is going to briefly summarize for you.

3317
03:57:57,284 --> 03:58:02,208
Now. Thank you. Thank you, Jamie. Good evening, everyone. Good

3318
03:58:02,208 --> 03:58:04,648
to see you. Let's move to the next slide. Please.

3319
03:58:06,733 --> 03:58:13,814
And the one after that. Okay, great. So my slide

3320
03:58:13,814 --> 03:58:17,214
is intended really to give a summary of section nine

3321
03:58:17,214 --> 03:58:21,087
of the growth management strategy. Report. And section nine is

3322
03:58:21,087 --> 03:58:23,847
an evaluation of the kinds of updates to the current

3323
03:58:23,847 --> 03:58:26,327
official plan that will be needed to support the growth

3324
03:58:26,327 --> 03:58:29,647
management strategy. And I think that there's essentially four themes

3325
03:58:29,647 --> 03:58:32,853
of policy updates that are going to be required. So

3326
03:58:32,853 --> 03:58:34,253
if you have a chance to look at section nine.

3327
03:58:35,967 --> 03:58:39,372
In some cases. It's recommended policies because there are some

3328
03:58:39,372 --> 03:58:43,452
mandatory requirements expected by the province to be included. In

3329
03:58:43,452 --> 03:58:45,732
the new official plan. But I also think that there

3330
03:58:45,732 --> 03:58:48,532
are some optional policies that the city can use as

3331
03:58:48,532 --> 03:58:53,052
tools to better implement its growth management strategy. So the

3332
03:58:53,052 --> 03:58:56,012
first theme of policies which I'll just speak to briefly

3333
03:58:56,012 --> 03:58:59,845
on this slide. Is related to growth forecasting. I think

3334
03:58:59,845 --> 03:59:02,165
it kind of goes without saying that the new official

3335
03:59:02,165 --> 03:59:05,005
plan will have an updated planning horizon. If you could

3336
03:59:05,005 --> 03:59:08,605
go back, please. I'll stay on. This slide. Thanks. So

3337
03:59:08,605 --> 03:59:12,479
the new official plan will have an updated. Growth planning

3338
03:59:12,479 --> 03:59:15,159
horizon of 2051. There's going to be a need to

3339
03:59:15,159 --> 03:59:17,959
acknowledge that. Updated horizon. But there's also going to be

3340
03:59:17,959 --> 03:59:22,806
a need to incorporate the population and employment projections. That

3341
03:59:22,806 --> 03:59:26,606
Jamie's gone over. So at a minimum, that section should

3342
03:59:26,606 --> 03:59:30,319
include some of those statements. In conducting some best practice

3343
03:59:30,319 --> 03:59:33,359
review in other municipalities. There are some other things the

3344
03:59:33,359 --> 03:59:35,399
city could do. In the official plan, so we put

3345
03:59:35,399 --> 03:59:38,381
out some other options. I won't go over it in

3346
03:59:38,381 --> 03:59:42,510
detail now, but, for example. You could include specific housing

3347
03:59:42,510 --> 03:59:45,990
forecasts to give a bit more clarity around what those

3348
03:59:45,990 --> 03:59:50,550
population forecasts mean, but not every municipality does that. And

3349
03:59:50,550 --> 03:59:54,430
the second theme of policy updates pertains to the urban

3350
03:59:54,430 --> 03:59:56,950
area, and I think we've heard and heard a lot

3351
03:59:56,950 --> 03:59:59,750
of extensive discussion. Around northeast pickering, and I think that

3352
03:59:59,750 --> 04:00:03,676
would be sort of. The main required change to implement

3353
04:00:03,676 --> 04:00:06,956
the province's approval of the Durham region official plan, which

3354
04:00:06,956 --> 04:00:09,076
would be to add the northeast Pickering lands into the

3355
04:00:09,076 --> 04:00:12,736
urban area. On that policy topic, too. I would kind

3356
04:00:12,736 --> 04:00:14,656
of point out some of the good themes of the

3357
04:00:14,656 --> 04:00:20,296
provincial policy statement which speak to matters like ensuring orderly,

3358
04:00:20,296 --> 04:00:23,616
logical progression of development. And I think the discussion earlier

3359
04:00:23,616 --> 04:00:27,816
around, including some phasing policies in northeast Pickering will serve

3360
04:00:27,816 --> 04:00:32,086
to advance implementation of those expectations. The third theme of

3361
04:00:32,086 --> 04:00:38,590
policy updates. Relates to an intensification strategy. So when I

3362
04:00:38,590 --> 04:00:43,230
say intensification, I'm referring. To development within the existing built

3363
04:00:43,230 --> 04:00:47,178
up area. So places like the city center. We kind

3364
04:00:47,178 --> 04:00:49,258
of envision, and it'll dip to the city, but we

3365
04:00:49,258 --> 04:00:53,458
kind of envision a section on intensification strategy to acknowledge.

3366
04:00:55,492 --> 04:00:58,652
What the different expectations will be as intensification comes forward.

3367
04:00:59,879 --> 04:01:01,879
And Jamie's pointed out a very key aspect of that,

3368
04:01:01,879 --> 04:01:06,821
which will be to include. A minimum residential intensification policy

3369
04:01:06,821 --> 04:01:10,541
and through the growth management work that Jamie's recommended. A

3370
04:01:10,541 --> 04:01:15,208
minimum target of 40% of units. Would intend to be

3371
04:01:15,208 --> 04:01:18,168
intended to be accommodated through intensification. So that's kind of.

3372
04:01:19,691 --> 04:01:22,891
A recommended minimum, and the provincial policy statement does require

3373
04:01:22,891 --> 04:01:26,171
that. There be a residential intensification target in the official

3374
04:01:26,171 --> 04:01:30,971
plan that is mandatory. Additionally, there's some other requirements. For

3375
04:01:30,971 --> 04:01:35,302
example, City center being a major transit station area with

3376
04:01:35,302 --> 04:01:39,130
high order transit access. It needs to have a minimum

3377
04:01:39,130 --> 04:01:41,770
density. That may already be reflected in the official plan,

3378
04:01:41,770 --> 04:01:45,050
but a minimum of 150 people in jobs per hectare

3379
04:01:45,050 --> 04:01:47,810
needs to be stated for that. And there could be

3380
04:01:47,810 --> 04:01:49,410
some other tools. And we kind of get into that

3381
04:01:49,410 --> 04:01:51,530
in the report as well. We looked at some other

3382
04:01:51,530 --> 04:01:56,890
municipalities that are a little more aggressive on ensuring intensification

3383
04:01:56,890 --> 04:01:59,858
will achieve their broader. Visions. They might include things like

3384
04:01:59,858 --> 04:02:03,658
minimum building height or minimum density requirements as development moves

3385
04:02:03,658 --> 04:02:06,618
forward. So there is an option to include policies like

3386
04:02:06,618 --> 04:02:10,139
that. But it may not be necessary. And I would

3387
04:02:10,139 --> 04:02:13,419
also say too that setting policies around density and height

3388
04:02:13,419 --> 04:02:16,139
is also an urban design topic, so I kind of

3389
04:02:16,139 --> 04:02:19,179
stopped a little bit short of giving definitive recommendations on

3390
04:02:19,179 --> 04:02:22,099
that, knowing that the city will be doing some more

3391
04:02:22,099 --> 04:02:25,459
in depth urban design work. Down the road. And then

3392
04:02:25,459 --> 04:02:29,585
the last theme of policy updates. Pertain to the employment

3393
04:02:29,585 --> 04:02:31,945
areas. We've talked about that a little bit. We heard

3394
04:02:31,945 --> 04:02:34,505
from Paul Lowe's earlier on this, too, which is that

3395
04:02:34,505 --> 04:02:38,985
the provincial policy statement was updated to redefine employment areas.

3396
04:02:38,985 --> 04:02:41,785
There's a new set of what's allowed and not allowed

3397
04:02:41,785 --> 04:02:45,641
in the employment areas. Our section of the report gives

3398
04:02:45,641 --> 04:02:48,281
a little bit of guidance around what's next in that

3399
04:02:48,281 --> 04:02:50,321
and essentially, I think the staff report does a great

3400
04:02:50,321 --> 04:02:53,545
job of explaining. That. What it really means is that

3401
04:02:53,545 --> 04:02:55,505
the city will have to look at the extent of

3402
04:02:55,505 --> 04:02:59,110
the employment area designations. Jamie has spoken to that in

3403
04:02:59,110 --> 04:03:02,190
the context of Seaton, but there also will be a

3404
04:03:02,190 --> 04:03:05,396
need to look at that in more detail. Within South

3405
04:03:05,396 --> 04:03:10,141
Pickering, so that'll be some work forthcoming. So I think

3406
04:03:10,141 --> 04:03:12,421
that kind of just at a high level wraps up

3407
04:03:12,421 --> 04:03:16,389
my summary of some of the policy recommendations. And I

3408
04:03:16,389 --> 04:03:17,549
think if we go to the next slide. I know.

3409
04:03:17,549 --> 04:03:19,469
Jamie, do you want to take. It back and offer

3410
04:03:19,469 --> 04:03:22,989
some thoughts. Thanks, Bobby. Yeah, I think we are actually

3411
04:03:22,989 --> 04:03:25,549
at the end of our presentation, so I will turn

3412
04:03:25,549 --> 04:03:29,594
it over back to the chair for any questions. Thank

3413
04:03:29,594 --> 04:03:31,794
you both. And I'll start a list. And I see

3414
04:03:31,794 --> 04:03:39,353
councilor butt with his hand up first. Council brennan. Thank

3415
04:03:39,353 --> 04:03:43,193
you, madam. Thank you, madam Chair. Thank you. To the

3416
04:03:43,193 --> 04:03:51,322
delegates here and questions in relations to the housing. I

3417
04:03:51,322 --> 04:03:57,048
believe you talked about. We have forecast 1800 homes annually.

3418
04:04:01,420 --> 04:04:04,980
I believe in 1840, homes that we have built annually.

3419
04:04:06,525 --> 04:04:08,325
Are we all projections? Do you know of? Are we

3420
04:04:08,325 --> 04:04:11,205
on track? Are we building less? Are we building more.

3421
04:04:12,712 --> 04:04:16,672
Yeah. Thank you. Through the chair. We are actually tracking

3422
04:04:16,672 --> 04:04:23,243
quite well. To the envision driven forecast. We saw. A

3423
04:04:23,243 --> 04:04:29,377
fairly significant surge. In development activity, building permits and completions

3424
04:04:29,377 --> 04:04:33,697
through the Covid period from 2021 to 2023. Things have

3425
04:04:33,697 --> 04:04:38,177
started to taper off now in 2024, but they're still

3426
04:04:38,177 --> 04:04:42,097
well above the historical average. We do think that the

3427
04:04:42,097 --> 04:04:45,577
next. Twelve to, say one to two years is going

3428
04:04:45,577 --> 04:04:47,697
to be a slower time period, particularly in the high

3429
04:04:47,697 --> 04:04:51,617
density market, but overall, we are tracking quite closely to

3430
04:04:51,617 --> 04:04:59,524
that envision driven forecast. Your presentation highlighted. A lot of

3431
04:04:59,524 --> 04:05:07,188
population growth, expansion, land. Employment. With all this comes also

3432
04:05:07,188 --> 04:05:11,487
with infrastructure as well. I'm just wondering if that would

3433
04:05:11,487 --> 04:05:15,036
have been your topic of discussion as well. When I

3434
04:05:15,036 --> 04:05:21,116
talk about infrastructure, I'm talking about roads, transportations, public transportations.

3435
04:05:21,116 --> 04:05:28,236
Would that cover under. Your search. Thank you. Through the

3436
04:05:28,236 --> 04:05:32,956
chair. So, clearly, providing infrastructure to accommodate the growth is

3437
04:05:32,956 --> 04:05:36,988
critical. It's not the focus of this study per se.

3438
04:05:36,988 --> 04:05:41,948
We typically rely on other foundational documents like master planning

3439
04:05:41,948 --> 04:05:46,391
studies. As well as development charges. Background studies also take

3440
04:05:46,391 --> 04:05:49,711
those master plans and look at ultimately what the required

3441
04:05:49,711 --> 04:05:52,311
infrastructure is for hard and soft services. And you look

3442
04:05:52,311 --> 04:05:55,680
at how. That ultimately will be funded and what the

3443
04:05:55,680 --> 04:05:58,520
impacts are on development charges. Our firm does that work?

3444
04:05:58,520 --> 04:06:02,252
And I work with our company. To do those studies,

3445
04:06:02,252 --> 04:06:06,532
but we have not done a further analysis of infrastructure,

3446
04:06:06,532 --> 04:06:10,132
detailed infrastructure requirements to accommodate the growth forecast. But again,

3447
04:06:10,132 --> 04:06:13,635
we would note that. The forecast is in line with

3448
04:06:13,635 --> 04:06:20,560
the envision Durham work. And. The math planning work that

3449
04:06:20,560 --> 04:06:25,270
would support that analysis. When you talk about employment, you

3450
04:06:25,270 --> 04:06:27,870
talk about employment, and you talk about large numbers of

3451
04:06:27,870 --> 04:06:32,210
15,000 20,000, whatever. What employment jobs do you think will

3452
04:06:32,210 --> 04:06:37,745
be? Creating in our municipality. Thank you to the chair

3453
04:06:37,745 --> 04:06:42,006
again. So, as I mentioned, About just over 40% of

3454
04:06:42,006 --> 04:06:44,966
the jobs are identified within the employment area category, so

3455
04:06:44,966 --> 04:06:49,606
those are industrial jobs. Those are jobs like advanced manufacturing,

3456
04:06:49,606 --> 04:06:57,126
logistics, warehousing, jobs related to energy. Remediation.

3457
04:06:59,585 --> 04:07:02,985
Construction. Those are all sort of the core industrial jobs

3458
04:07:02,985 --> 04:07:07,465
we note in the report, the Pickering nuclear plant refurbishment.

3459
04:07:09,599 --> 04:07:12,399
Is a big anticipated big employer in the near term,

3460
04:07:12,399 --> 04:07:16,359
about 6600 jobs, and they get identified with that refurbishment,

3461
04:07:16,359 --> 04:07:19,608
some of those jobs are going to be temporary. But

3462
04:07:19,608 --> 04:07:22,728
there's a significant amount of employment related to the nuclear

3463
04:07:22,728 --> 04:07:27,041
refurbishment. But we would expect. To see. Steady amount of

3464
04:07:27,041 --> 04:07:34,196
jobs. In. A range of industrial sectors. Also knowledge base

3465
04:07:34,196 --> 04:07:39,420
sectors related to research. And innovation. Plus, with the significant

3466
04:07:39,420 --> 04:07:42,980
amount of population growth, we expect to see a significant

3467
04:07:42,980 --> 04:07:47,900
amount of retail and what we call population related employment,

3468
04:07:47,900 --> 04:07:51,340
which would also include jobs in healthcare and education to

3469
04:07:51,340 --> 04:07:55,140
accommodate that population growth. And then just one last point

3470
04:07:55,140 --> 04:07:59,025
on the employment forecast. To vote. I think just under

3471
04:07:59,025 --> 04:08:02,785
30% of the overall employment projections are anticipated to beans

3472
04:08:02,785 --> 04:08:05,905
in work at home or off site employment. So these

3473
04:08:05,905 --> 04:08:09,836
are people who. Are working at home or those who

3474
04:08:09,836 --> 04:08:11,716
don't go to the same place of work every day.

3475
04:08:13,363 --> 04:08:15,043
Could be traveling sales, and then it could be truck

3476
04:08:15,043 --> 04:08:19,286
drivers. It could be freelance, it specialists, things like that.

3477
04:08:19,286 --> 04:08:21,566
So those are, that gives you some sense of. The

3478
04:08:21,566 --> 04:08:24,593
kind of jobs we expect to see. Thank you. Appreciate

3479
04:08:24,593 --> 04:08:27,313
that, Mr. Cook. Thanks for addressing me. Thank you, madam

3480
04:08:27,313 --> 04:08:31,233
Chair. You are welcome, councilor. But just to make sure

3481
04:08:31,233 --> 04:08:34,153
everyone at home understands what we're doing, since we've extended

3482
04:08:34,153 --> 04:08:38,473
beyond eleven. We did pass the extension to continue until

3483
04:08:38,473 --> 04:08:43,111
midnight. At which time we will have a hard stop.

3484
04:08:43,111 --> 04:08:46,151
Councilor Brenner, thank you very much. Madam Chair, can you

3485
04:08:46,151 --> 04:08:50,487
hear me okay? Absolutely. I wanted to ask and it

3486
04:08:50,487 --> 04:08:53,967
really picks up. I'll pick up where councilor Butt. Left

3487
04:08:53,967 --> 04:09:01,214
off with the consultant. You talk about? A growth management

3488
04:09:01,214 --> 04:09:04,934
study and the emphasis on population growth. And yes, there

3489
04:09:04,934 --> 04:09:08,134
is reference to employment. What I don't see and I'm

3490
04:09:08,134 --> 04:09:12,100
wondering why. Or if you can look at. Is growth

3491
04:09:12,100 --> 04:09:15,580
in the area of non residential. And I guess what

3492
04:09:15,580 --> 04:09:20,192
I'm trying to focus on is. A growth management study

3493
04:09:20,192 --> 04:09:28,447
that incorporates. A roadmap and target for pickering to rebalance

3494
04:09:28,447 --> 04:09:32,807
the tax ratios, which currently are very high in terms

3495
04:09:32,807 --> 04:09:35,967
of the residential versus the non residential, I think it's

3496
04:09:35,967 --> 04:09:43,407
about. What if I'm correct about 81, 82% residential? Do

3497
04:09:43,407 --> 04:09:46,287
you have any comment in terms of can you look

3498
04:09:46,287 --> 04:09:50,882
at. Or is it possible for you to look at

3499
04:09:50,882 --> 04:09:56,028
that if you're moving forward? To incorporate the non residential

3500
04:09:56,028 --> 04:09:59,908
aspect into the growth side of it, not just population,

3501
04:09:59,908 --> 04:10:04,245
because if you've got population. You need to have nonresidential

3502
04:10:04,245 --> 04:10:08,900
in order to make it much more affordable. Thank you

3503
04:10:08,900 --> 04:10:15,343
for that question. And through the chair, so. I do

3504
04:10:15,343 --> 04:10:18,743
want to emphasize that this analysis that we've undertaken does

3505
04:10:18,743 --> 04:10:23,543
a comprehensive look at both residential and nonresidential. It looks

3506
04:10:23,543 --> 04:10:27,543
at the employment projections by sector and by broad land

3507
04:10:27,543 --> 04:10:31,583
use category, and we had identified in the previous slide.

3508
04:10:33,197 --> 04:10:35,237
A significant amount of employment in the range of just

3509
04:10:35,237 --> 04:10:39,037
over 50,000 jobs. One thing the study doesn't do is

3510
04:10:39,037 --> 04:10:41,917
it doesn't get into a detailed assessment of commercial land.

3511
04:10:41,917 --> 04:10:46,513
Needs or specific retail. And population related lands within the

3512
04:10:46,513 --> 04:10:50,793
community area. When we do landing's assessments such as this

3513
04:10:50,793 --> 04:10:54,673
one, we typically assign a certain provision for lands to

3514
04:10:54,673 --> 04:11:00,542
accommodate. Those retail and commercial uses. But we have done

3515
04:11:00,542 --> 04:11:03,382
a very detailed review of the employment outlook by sector.

3516
04:11:03,382 --> 04:11:05,542
And there's quite a bit of detail in the report

3517
04:11:05,542 --> 04:11:08,662
that discusses this, where we spend more time is on

3518
04:11:08,662 --> 04:11:14,728
the employment area analysis. For the employment lands. What are

3519
04:11:14,728 --> 04:11:19,978
now essentially referred to as the industrial lands. We've looked

3520
04:11:19,978 --> 04:11:22,258
at the supply of those lands within south Pickering. We've

3521
04:11:22,258 --> 04:11:24,458
looked at. Seaton. And we've looked at the vision for

3522
04:11:24,458 --> 04:11:27,738
Seaton, given that that is the next area that you'll

3523
04:11:27,738 --> 04:11:31,618
be building, looking to develop and build out over time

3524
04:11:31,618 --> 04:11:35,298
along that innovation corridor. So a significant amount of time

3525
04:11:35,298 --> 04:11:38,498
and efforts gone into looking at the vision for employment.

3526
04:11:38,498 --> 04:11:42,747
Within. Seaton. With respect to your comment about the res

3527
04:11:42,747 --> 04:11:44,987
non res tax ratio, it's a question that I often

3528
04:11:44,987 --> 04:11:49,686
get. I've had this over decades in my career. And

3529
04:11:49,686 --> 04:11:52,446
it's a very valid question. It's important that we want

3530
04:11:52,446 --> 04:11:57,370
to ensure that. We have a sustainable or. A progressive

3531
04:11:57,370 --> 04:12:02,476
residential, non residential tax base. It's very tricky to significantly

3532
04:12:02,476 --> 04:12:06,797
move that needle when. You're growing at the pace that.

3533
04:12:07,801 --> 04:12:11,855
Picking forecast to grow at. So while even though you're

3534
04:12:11,855 --> 04:12:15,295
receiving or you're intended to accommodate a lot of employment

3535
04:12:15,295 --> 04:12:18,775
growth. Because the population is growing so fast, it's very

3536
04:12:18,775 --> 04:12:21,815
hard to move that ratio. And it wouldn't be appropriate

3537
04:12:21,815 --> 04:12:24,775
for us to try to develop scenarios that would force

3538
04:12:24,775 --> 04:12:30,234
that ratio. Beyond what we think. We could support from

3539
04:12:30,234 --> 04:12:35,509
an economic and market standpoint. So we have looked at

3540
04:12:35,509 --> 04:12:40,989
the broader picture, the forecasts that are put out there,

3541
04:12:40,989 --> 04:12:44,069
they have a level of ambitiousness to them, including the

3542
04:12:44,069 --> 04:12:46,869
employment forecast. We do think that they are defensible over

3543
04:12:46,869 --> 04:12:49,309
the long term, and we think that they strike the

3544
04:12:49,309 --> 04:12:53,109
right balance. But the reality is that it's going to.

3545
04:12:53,894 --> 04:12:57,083
Be very hard for the city. To significantly make that

3546
04:12:57,083 --> 04:13:01,083
shift towards a higher tax assessment to non residential, you're

3547
04:13:01,083 --> 04:13:03,443
going to see lots of non residential tax assessments, but

3548
04:13:03,443 --> 04:13:07,283
that shift is likely going to. Be very slow to

3549
04:13:07,283 --> 04:13:11,283
inch over because of the significant amount of population growth.

3550
04:13:12,851 --> 04:13:16,413
Thank you. My next question. Is similar to one that

3551
04:13:16,413 --> 04:13:23,645
I asked with the Northeast Pickering people consultant. And what

3552
04:13:23,645 --> 04:13:27,327
I'm interested in knowing. As part of your process, did

3553
04:13:27,327 --> 04:13:30,127
you reach out to any of the farmers to get

3554
04:13:30,127 --> 04:13:36,208
any input? From that sector into the growth management study.

3555
04:13:37,656 --> 04:13:43,683
Through the chair. I didn't specifically reach out. To any

3556
04:13:43,683 --> 04:13:49,252
members of the agricultural community. The city did prepare. And

3557
04:13:49,252 --> 04:13:53,971
a growth strategy. Growth management strategy discussion paper. That was

3558
04:13:53,971 --> 04:13:58,449
broadly circulated. But to my knowledge, we have not reached

3559
04:13:58,449 --> 04:14:01,689
out to the agricultural community directly as part of this.

3560
04:14:01,689 --> 04:14:05,996
Work. Is there still that possibility to reach out? I

3561
04:14:05,996 --> 04:14:10,236
mean, Durham does have the agricultural advisory committee, both myself

3562
04:14:10,236 --> 04:14:14,313
and councilor, but I actually had an opportunity to. Have

3563
04:14:14,313 --> 04:14:16,913
a virtual meeting with them a couple of weeks ago,

3564
04:14:16,913 --> 04:14:20,033
and I know that they certainly would. Be very interested

3565
04:14:20,033 --> 04:14:25,153
in providing some input into the growth management component of

3566
04:14:25,153 --> 04:14:28,964
the city of pickering. That is something that ultimately, I

3567
04:14:28,964 --> 04:14:32,284
think, staff could recommend or provide, but I would leave

3568
04:14:32,284 --> 04:14:35,324
it with fair enough to make that reserve. We get

3569
04:14:35,324 --> 04:14:37,564
the report on the floor. I'll talk to staff about

3570
04:14:37,564 --> 04:14:40,284
it. Thank you. And Madam Chair, thank you very much

3571
04:14:40,284 --> 04:14:43,924
for the opportunity to ask those questions and the latitude.

3572
04:14:43,924 --> 04:14:48,585
You are very welcome. Excellent questions, anyone? Else in committee

3573
04:14:48,585 --> 04:14:53,100
wishing to speak. All right? And so, as Councilor Brenner

3574
04:14:53,100 --> 04:14:57,230
mentioned, we need to get this on the floor. With

3575
04:14:57,230 --> 04:14:59,350
a mover and a seconder in order to move this

3576
04:14:59,350 --> 04:15:02,790
forward, and I'm going to see councilor bot as the

3577
04:15:02,790 --> 04:15:06,550
mover and councilor pickles as the seconder. It is now

3578
04:15:06,550 --> 04:15:12,403
open for discussion and debate. Councilor brenner. You're in. Mute.

3579
04:15:12,403 --> 04:15:20,080
There we go. Thank you, madam. Chair through you. To

3580
04:15:20,080 --> 04:15:23,840
staff, and this would be probably to, I guess, Mr.

3581
04:15:23,840 --> 04:15:28,836
Bentley. You heard the thrust of my question of the

3582
04:15:28,836 --> 04:15:33,635
consultant, and then he's deferred. Back to staff. Just want

3583
04:15:33,635 --> 04:15:37,075
to hone in a little bit on the agricultural sector.

3584
04:15:39,039 --> 04:15:44,083
And the fact being that. We know that. Agriculture in

3585
04:15:44,083 --> 04:15:49,865
Durham Region. Is second only to the, in terms of

3586
04:15:49,865 --> 04:15:54,923
jobs and economics to OPG, which tells us. It has

3587
04:15:54,923 --> 04:15:58,003
a huge impact in terms of the economic well being

3588
04:15:58,003 --> 04:15:59,963
of the whole region, let alone the city of pickering.

3589
04:16:02,191 --> 04:16:06,809
Can you maybe elaborate? Or are you willing to reach

3590
04:16:06,809 --> 04:16:11,773
out further? Prior to the final stages of this study

3591
04:16:11,773 --> 04:16:13,813
and when it comes back is in the report. It

3592
04:16:13,813 --> 04:16:17,987
talks about. I guess picking up some of the comments.

3593
04:16:19,414 --> 04:16:22,814
And reaching out for additional comments prior to the final

3594
04:16:22,814 --> 04:16:27,442
phase. Can you elaborate on how you're going to access?

3595
04:16:27,442 --> 04:16:31,164
And are you prepared to access? The members of the

3596
04:16:31,164 --> 04:16:35,680
Durham Regional. Agricultural Advisory Committee, and I believe they also

3597
04:16:35,680 --> 04:16:37,920
delegated as well to the City of pickering. If I

3598
04:16:37,920 --> 04:16:44,360
recall. One of our residents are on it. Sure. Sorry.

3599
04:16:46,090 --> 04:16:49,130
Yeah. Thanks. Councilor Brenner. Yes. And the consultants had spoken

3600
04:16:49,130 --> 04:16:53,611
a bit to this in your question. We as staff

3601
04:16:53,611 --> 04:16:57,761
have provided some background research. Documents for a variety of

3602
04:16:57,761 --> 04:17:03,681
topics and held meetings both in person and electronically. And

3603
04:17:03,681 --> 04:17:07,349
one of those was agricultural and rural areas. You may

3604
04:17:07,349 --> 04:17:13,825
recall, we had that. Up in Claremont. Community. I think.

3605
04:17:14,854 --> 04:17:18,374
The Claremont Church, if I recall correctly. Very good engagement

3606
04:17:18,374 --> 04:17:24,603
from residents and farmers in that area. Most certainly. And

3607
04:17:24,603 --> 04:17:27,923
we certainly take that input in from the stakeholders and

3608
04:17:27,923 --> 04:17:31,803
interested parties for all their different topics. Including agricultural and

3609
04:17:31,803 --> 04:17:37,403
rural areas, and we'll continue to do so in. The

3610
04:17:37,403 --> 04:17:39,403
coming weeks and months as we go to the next

3611
04:17:39,403 --> 04:17:44,695
stage. I would certainly. Welcome Dion Jacobs in attendance to.

3612
04:17:44,695 --> 04:17:46,295
If there's anything else you'd want to add. To that,

3613
04:17:46,295 --> 04:17:50,655
but certainly we're interested in input from farmers and from

3614
04:17:50,655 --> 04:17:56,330
the different committees that are offering. Offering their input. But

3615
04:17:56,330 --> 04:17:58,730
I guess my question very simply. Are you prepared to

3616
04:17:58,730 --> 04:18:03,110
reach out to the advisory, the agricultural advisory committee. We

3617
04:18:03,110 --> 04:18:05,030
may have to reach out to them rather than reaching

3618
04:18:05,030 --> 04:18:09,011
out to us. Yeah. And I think part of the

3619
04:18:09,011 --> 04:18:15,850
appeal of having some of. These public meetings. In community

3620
04:18:15,850 --> 04:18:18,810
areas was to meet them at their level as well,

3621
04:18:18,810 --> 04:18:21,210
not just at the ReC complexes. Where we normally hold

3622
04:18:21,210 --> 04:18:25,355
meetings, but certainly. Happy to reach out to those groups.

3623
04:18:25,355 --> 04:18:26,755
I don't know, Dion, if you have anything more. You

3624
04:18:26,755 --> 04:18:29,694
can add to that. If you just meet yourself.

3625
04:18:38,357 --> 04:18:46,517
Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. Yes, councilor. Through human.

3626
04:18:49,874 --> 04:18:58,453
Chair to councilor Brena. We are about to. Conclude. Our

3627
04:18:58,453 --> 04:19:01,293
first phase of our official plan review, which were the

3628
04:19:01,293 --> 04:19:05,651
discussion papers of various topics. Now it is a question

3629
04:19:05,651 --> 04:19:12,355
of. Listening. To or assessing what we've heard. And start

3630
04:19:12,355 --> 04:19:16,795
drafting policies, and we plan to do that through. The

3631
04:19:16,795 --> 04:19:20,502
summer, but at the same time. There will be further

3632
04:19:20,502 --> 04:19:25,740
engagement opportunities. With key stakeholders. And if this is a

3633
04:19:25,740 --> 04:19:30,205
specific request, by all means. We will reach out to

3634
04:19:30,205 --> 04:19:35,335
them, but. There will be opportunities. When we bring those

3635
04:19:35,335 --> 04:19:39,804
draft policies forward. And then also at the end of

3636
04:19:39,804 --> 04:19:45,370
the day, we bring. A final. Official plan amendment forward

3637
04:19:45,370 --> 04:19:50,356
for council's consideration. I should add as well, Councilor Brenner.

3638
04:19:50,356 --> 04:19:54,796
We're fortunate. Our heritage planner, actually. Has a lot of

3639
04:19:54,796 --> 04:19:59,036
experience in agricultural matters as a farmer and sits on

3640
04:19:59,036 --> 04:20:01,516
the duramag. Group as well, so we would most certainly.

3641
04:20:03,177 --> 04:20:06,962
Be having Matt involved in this as well. Excellent. Thank

3642
04:20:06,962 --> 04:20:10,002
you very much. Thank you, madam Chair. You are most

3643
04:20:10,002 --> 04:20:13,002
welcome, Mr. Brenner. Councilor. Butt, you are next on the

3644
04:20:13,002 --> 04:20:17,199
list. And if I could just ask. We employ some

3645
04:20:17,199 --> 04:20:21,046
brevity in our questions, try to. Ask direct questions so

3646
04:20:21,046 --> 04:20:24,526
we can get through the agenda this evening. Madam chair,

3647
04:20:24,526 --> 04:20:27,166
in all due respects, I will only ask one question

3648
04:20:27,166 --> 04:20:33,393
if that's the case. Mr. Bensley for clarifications and I

3649
04:20:33,393 --> 04:20:36,593
know construct pickles and I, we receive. A lot of

3650
04:20:36,593 --> 04:20:40,073
notes in terms of saying when they talk about intensification,

3651
04:20:41,421 --> 04:20:44,778
They're under the impression that. If the city guides them,

3652
04:20:44,778 --> 04:20:49,706
directs them, we is our plan. But correct me if

3653
04:20:49,706 --> 04:20:52,826
I'm wrong, and maybe for our viewers point of view,

3654
04:20:52,826 --> 04:20:55,786
we are also being dictated by the province in order

3655
04:20:55,786 --> 04:21:00,346
to build more homes and expand. Am I correct in

3656
04:21:00,346 --> 04:21:03,466
few words. Could you please clarify that? Yeah, I think

3657
04:21:03,466 --> 04:21:06,697
that's been sort of a common. Theme this evening. About.

3658
04:21:07,528 --> 04:21:11,408
The province's role, and certainly they set targets and define

3659
04:21:11,408 --> 04:21:14,288
areas in the city. And we're an urban growth center.

3660
04:21:15,876 --> 04:21:19,595
Certainly, as well. So there's definitely targets that we need

3661
04:21:19,595 --> 04:21:21,395
to be mindful of, and I think the consultant had

3662
04:21:21,395 --> 04:21:22,835
done a great job speaking to some of that stuff

3663
04:21:22,835 --> 04:21:25,736
this evening as well. So need to be aware of

3664
04:21:25,736 --> 04:21:28,856
that. Can things change along the way? Sure, depending on

3665
04:21:28,856 --> 04:21:31,776
circumstances. Because the future can be unknown sometimes, but I

3666
04:21:31,776 --> 04:21:35,441
think we're trying to work with. The parameters that the

3667
04:21:35,441 --> 04:21:38,601
province has set down through their potential planning statement that

3668
04:21:38,601 --> 04:21:42,361
was recently revised. Certainly when it comes to. Bit off

3669
04:21:42,361 --> 04:21:45,761
topic, but just with the downloading responsibilities from the region

3670
04:21:45,761 --> 04:21:49,402
planning folks to the city. We take on Envision Durham.

3671
04:21:50,914 --> 04:21:52,354
And all the OP policies that come along with that

3672
04:21:52,354 --> 04:21:53,834
as well. That speaks to some of this. Stuff, so

3673
04:21:53,834 --> 04:21:58,247
I hope I've answered your question. You have. And I

3674
04:21:58,247 --> 04:22:04,435
thank you. Thank you, madam Chair. You're welcome, councilor, but

3675
04:22:04,435 --> 04:22:06,875
anyone else wishing to debate on this topic or ask

3676
04:22:06,875 --> 04:22:13,015
questions. Otherwise. We will call the question. And the directive.

3677
04:22:13,015 --> 04:22:18,775
Here is a recommendation on report PLN 1625 regarding the

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perked official plan. Review to be received. And that the

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City of Pickering Growth management strategy funnel report prepared by

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Watson Socialist Economists Limited in association with WSP, who we

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heard from this evening dated may 28, 2025, provided as

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attachment one be received and that the staff be directed

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to implement the growth projections contain therein that staff consider.

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The comments received from phase one, the background and research

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of the official plan review on key outcomes. And recommendations

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of the City Pickering Growth management Strategy final report in

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preparation of phase two. Policy drafting of the Pickering official

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plan process and finally that a copy of the city

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of Pickering Growth Management strategy final report be made available

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to all interested parties throughout the project website. And with

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that, I will call the question. All those in favor?

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We just get a recorded vote? Please, madam chair? Absolutely.

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Councilor Robinson calls her recorded vote. So, Madam Clerk, if

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you could please do the rule. Councilor Robinson. Councilor Brenner.

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Yes, Councilor Bett. Yes, Councilor Cook. Yes, Councilor Pickles. Yes,

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Mayor Ash. Yes, madam. Chairs carried five to one. Thank

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you very much. For .3 and second it. Okay. Moved

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by councilor Pickles. A seconded by councilor. Butt, which is

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the zoning bylaw amendment AO 624, draft plan condominium. We

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heard. Earlier from the delegation this evening regarding 1635 Palmer's.

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Saw Mill Road. There is a recommendation before us. Zoning

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bylaw amendment application submitted by 900-4807 Canada, Inc. Or stone

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pay to permit a condominium development containing 85 townhouse units

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be approved and that the draft zoning bylaw amendment as

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set out in appendix one to report PLM 1425 be

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finalized and boarded to council. Because those two have moved

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it. Are there any of us wishing to speak to

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this item? No. Councilor Butt, you are now making the

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decision for everyone. Okay? And that is a no, which.

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Is a fair statement to make since we did talk

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about this earlier this evening with our delegation. Before us.

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So I'm going to call a question on this particular

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piece unless anyone wants a recorded vote. Are we good?

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Okay. Thank you. All those in favor? We're going to

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vote. That item is carried. That brings. Us. To item

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five, which is member updates from committees. Are there any

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updates from other committees? Seeing and hearing them. We will

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move on to what I'm sure everyone is waiting for.

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Now item number six. Adjournment moved by councilor, but seconded

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by councilor. Pickles. All those in favor?