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Great, I'm going to call the Council meeting of Monday,

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June 22nd to order. Madam Clerk, we do roll call,

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please. Thank you, your worship. I can certify the attendance

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of all members of Council Save and Except for Councillor

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Butt and all members participating are doing so electronically. Great.

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If members who are joining us could stand if they're

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able for playing a national anthem.

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Thank you all. As we begin our moment of personal

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reflection, I'd ask members of the Council to remember in

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your thoughts, our colleague Councillor But, who lost his brother

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- in - law. Very suddenly over the course of

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the last 24 hours and is a way attending to

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this family member. And the family. So with that, please

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join me in a moment of personal reflection.

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Thank you. Plant acknowledgement. We acknowledge the city of Pickering

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resides online within the 3D and traditional territory that Mississippa,

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the Scug Galan First Nation. And William is pretty signatories

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of the Miss Sagan Chippawa Nations. Pickreen is also home

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to many Indigenous persons and communities who represent other diverse

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distinct and autonomous indigenous nations. This acknowledgement reminds us of

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a responsibilities that are too relationships with the First Peoples

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of Canada. And to the ancestral lands at which we

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learn, share, work, and live. Any disclosure of interest. Robinson.

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Yes, thank you, Mr. Mayor. We'd like to declare a

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interest on 9. 1 correspondence from Jeffrey A. Abrams and

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Janice Iwood, co - principals, Principals and Chubby, Integrity Commissioner

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for the City of Pickering. I am well aware that

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I'm allowed to participate, but I am not allowed to

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participate in the vote. Thank you. Thank you, Councillor. Adoption

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of the Minutes. There are minutes of April 27th, May

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2nd May 25th, June 8th, June 8th, June 8th, and

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June 17th. Movement Councillor Brenner, second by Councillor Pickles. Any

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corrections. Being done, all those in favor. Pose that item

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is carried. Councillor, we have three delegations for night. First

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one starting with Elena Nickel and Brett Gott, Alanna, or

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Lena, sorry, lead engineer projects, Ministry of Transportation. And Mr.

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Gotz, HDR Inc. in regards to the subject matter being

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the Highway 7 widening, Reese Rosa Road to Brock Road

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in Pickering, and they do have a slide deck. So

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welcome to our virtual council meeting, and you have 10

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minutes. Great, thank you very much. Thanks to Mayor and

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Council for giving us this chance to come in and

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talk about our project. If we could go to the

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next slide, please. And I will give a quick overview

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of the study we are doing a preliminary design and

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class environmental assessment study to widen Highway 7 to lane

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from two lanes to four lanes. From Resa Road to

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about Brock Road, that would be Markham to Pickering. And

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the total length of the study is about 10 kilometers.

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And that whiting is going to tie into the existing

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four lane sections of Highway 7 on either side of

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the study area and also connect with a couple of

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four lane sections that have been designed at intersections within

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the study area. The widening will ultimately support traffic growth

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and plan development such as the Pickering Innovation Corridor. And

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without any widening, the Highway 7 traffic demand will grow

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well beyond the highways capacity to handle it. And the

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scope of work for us includes replacing the little Rouge

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Creek bridge in Lucas Hill, widening of the West Stuffins

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Creek Bridge in Green River. And we are considering a

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grade separation at the CPK C crossing in Locust Hill.

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And to this point, we have developed a long list

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of alternatives and we have screened that down to a

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short list of alternatives, which is what we presented at

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our public information centre last month. And you can see

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there's a link to the project website that has all

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of that public information centre material and some other information

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about the project. If we could go to the next

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slide, please. So this is our study process. I'm not

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going to spend a lot of time on it, but

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we started off in the fall of 2025 to evaluate

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the planning alternatives. Since then, we've identified the long list

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of alternatives and we've screened that down to a short

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list of alternatives. That's what we presented at our PIC

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or public information centre. From this point, we're going to

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evaluate that shortlist cell of alternatives and identify our recommended

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plan. And from that, we will carry on and do

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preliminary design on the recommended plan. And we're going to

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present the recommendation for the preferred alternative at PIC number

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two. And that's going to be next year probably in

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the spring or summer. Next slide, please. So we've divided

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the study area into six different segments, mostly based on

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the posted speed of the segment. Three of those are

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in Markham, segments one, two, and three segments four, five,

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and six are in pickering. And I'm going to focus

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my presentation on the segments and pickering. Uh, segment four

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is through Green River, which is a hamlet with a

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number of private residences. Many of them are heritage buildings.

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Uh, many of them are located close to the highway.

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four. Segment five is where most of the pickering innovation

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corridor lies, uh, mostly to the south of the existing

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highway to the north of the Highway is mostly the,

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uh, pickering airport lands. And I'll add that, uh, city

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Pickering completed a highway access management plan or hamp through

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this area to help identify where future signalized intersections could

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go, uh, in support of the innovation corridor development. And

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segment six is, uh, The Hamlet of Brom, uh, which

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most of those properties, uh, near the highway are owned

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by transport Canada. There are a number of, uh, heritage

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features there such as Bentley House, The Pickering Standard Church,

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uh, and a number of residences and businesses, uh, in

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Broham as well. Uh, next slide, please. So in developing

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the long list of alternatives, we considered a couple of

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different things. One was different cross section alternatives. So we

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looked at whether we should keep shoulders in the hamlets

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or get rid of the shoulders. We looked at things

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like, uh, medians, um, and what the, what the, um,

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Highway should include in terms of active transportation, like a

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multi - use path or sidewalks and things like that.

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For the widening, we considered three basic alternatives, widening only

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to the north, widening only to the south or widening

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symmetrically about the existing highway centre line. So we've since

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conducted a screening on those alternatives and we've identified a

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shortly settled alternatives. And I'm going to present those to

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you, uh, in the following slide. So if we could

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go to the next slide, please. So this is segment

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four in Green River. We carried forward two alternatives to

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the shortlist of alternatives. The first one is alternative for

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S. And that is to widen to the south. And

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alternative for C, which is to widen to both sides,

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uh, we did not carry forward alternative for N, which

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would be widened to the north as it had the

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most, uh, residential impacts. Um, and if you look at

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the bottom, there's two different cross sections there. They're pretty

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similar. Uh, the one on the left shows a multi

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- use path on the south side of the highway,

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uh, and the one on the right shows a multi

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- use path on the south side of the highway

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plus, uh, sidewalk on the north side of the highway.

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consider. And I'll point out that we're using barrier curbs

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and we have, uh, removed the shoulders in this case

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to try to limit, um, the footprint impacts of the

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widening. And I think we can move on to the

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next slide, please. Segment five, that is through the innovation

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corridor. Um, we carried forward two alternatives here. The first

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one, I'll turn it to five N is to widen

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only to the north. We do like this one because

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it would use the transport Canada lands and mostly avoid

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development lands and the utilities that have been constructed on

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the south side. Uh, but the guarantee that we'll be

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able to, uh, acquire the lands from transport Canada. So

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we've also carried forward alternative five s, which is widening

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to the south, which would widen, um, obviously to the

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south, but it would impact, uh, more so the development

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lands, um, existing and proposed through the innovation court. Or

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so if the transport candida lands are not available to

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us, we would probably have to go to, uh, widening

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to the south. We did not carry forward whining about

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the centre line because that would still require, uh, acquisition

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of transport candida lands. And in terms of the cross

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section, we've only carried one cross section forward. Uh, the

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higher posted speed here. So it looks a little different

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than through the hamlets. Um, but the one that we

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carried forward has a wide median 5. 25 metres. What

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that allows is when the decision is made to construct

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a new intersection, say to support development, you don't have

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to reconstruct or realign the highway every time you want

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to put a new, uh, new intersection in. So we

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thought this was, um, most flexible for future, uh, for

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future work. If we could move on to the next

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slide, please. So this is segment six, which is in

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broom, um, I think as most of you know, it's

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a number of heritage properties here. And many of them

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are very, very close to the roadside. Um, and we've

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carried forward two alternatives here. We've got alternative six in,

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which is to widen to the north. And I should

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perhaps have explained earlier, but the orange dots are, are

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buildings that are likely to be displaced. The yellow dots

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are building, but we may be able to mitigate it.

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Uh, if we go to the north, there are a

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number of buildings on the north side that are likely

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to be displaced. And then alternative six S, which is

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the next one, which is widened to the south. It

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will display some of the buildings on the south side.

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We did not carry forward a centre line widening because

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that would displace the buildings on both sides of the

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highway. Uh, we only carried forward one cross section here.

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Um, and we've got a multi - use path on

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one side, uh, and a sidewalk on the other because

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they're sidewalks on both sides in some parts of Broom

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existing. And we want to replace, uh, in kind as

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much as possible. And if we could go to the

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next slide, please. So we've undertaken a bunch of consultation

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activities so far. Uh, we have met with a number

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of different agencies. We've met a couple of times with

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parks Canada. We've met with transport Canada. We've met with

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the city of Pickering a couple of times. And we've

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met with the Toronto and Region Conservation Authority. We held

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what we call a stakeholder agency meeting on April 1st,

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mostly to present the same materials that we showed at

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public information centre number one. And I believe he had

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53 or 73 attendees from various, uh, ministries and municipalities

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and agencies, um, that meeting. So that was very helpful

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to us. And then we held public information centre number

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one, uh, on May 27th. We held that at the

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Cornell Community Centre in Markham. And we had 63 people

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attend that meeting. And if we could go to the

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next slide, please, um, and we've certainly received a lot

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of comments with that public meetings and through email and

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written comments, uh, chief among them might be, um, concerns

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about property and community impacts. We understand that we're going

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to be impacting, um, properties in the area. And that

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is certainly, uh, a concern for the community and a

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concern for us. We've had a number of suggestions to

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bypass the hamlets. Um, with new highway alignment in the

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study area, we've got a lot of concerns about impacts

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to heritage buildings or heritage properties in the study area.

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We've had suggestions that the province should repurchase Highway 407

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ETR as an alternative to widening the highway. We've had

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a lot of interest in improving active transportation throughout the

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study area. And a few other comments, but these are,

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these are some of the more common in key ones.

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Uh, that we've received. And we can go to the

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next slide, please. Um, so some of the next steps,

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um, for us, uh, first would be to respond to

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the comments that we've received as part of public information

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centre number one. We receive quite a few, uh, we're

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working on those responses and we'll be getting those out

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in the coming weeks. We'll then refine the shortlisted alternatives

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and evaluate them. We'll do a multi, multi, uh, factor

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evaluation of those alternatives. Um, we will be contacting potentially

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impacted property owners prior to the next public information centre.

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Um, and discussing potential impacts and potential mitigations. We will

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be selecting the preferred alternative, uh, either late this year

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or early next. And we'll be holding, uh, second and

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final public information centre to present the preferred alternative. We're

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saying summer 2027 right now. That could be plus or

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minus depending on, on how the process goes, uh, and

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lastly, we will file the transportation environmental study report for

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a 30 day review. Uh, we expect that to happen

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in late. 2027. And I think that takes me to

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the end. And I was speaking pretty quickly, I realised,

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but I hope I stayed in my 10 minutes. You

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were just over, but the information was very, uh, important

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to us the year. So, uh, questions of the delegate

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Councillor Pickles, you're the floor. Thank you. Just putting on

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my, uh, Mike Mayeresh. Thank you. Thank you for your

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presentation. Um, my questions are mostly going to pertain to

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Green River and Brom. So I did see, you noted

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the suggestions for bypassal communities, but I don't say any

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alternatives that suggest a bypass of those. So is that,

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uh, is that, uh, not, uh, not something you're going

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to pursue. Um, at this time, we're not considering bypasses.

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We're just considering this widening project. And that's just kind

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of how we started off with the project. And the

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reason being is that if we were to implement a

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bypass, the design for it would take much, much, much

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longer. And there'll be a lot more environmental impacts. Like

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it's, it sounds like it could be like an easy

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move, but it's actually like going, it would, it would

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be quite complicated. And the impacts, um, would be like

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pretty extreme where we need to address the issue of

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like traffic demand and like, um, expanding this highway, because

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especially with the pickering innovation corridor, like the new, um,

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the new developments like coming in, the current like Highway

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can't withstand like the, the traffic demand. So we kind

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of need to do focus on a widening because it

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can just be done much quicker. And it would like

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line up with the developments that are coming in. That's

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kind of like our process right now or a mindset.

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I appreciate that. So in Green River and Brom, just

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thinking about the existing residents and safety concerns. I've noticed

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you've divided this segment to highway up. With respective posted

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speed limits. So just focusing on that for a second.

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You're focusing on road widening. You're going to keep the

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post - its speed limits the same as they are

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now. Is that your suggestion through the hamlets. That's our

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attention right now. Yep. Yeah. Okay. I appreciate that. Um.

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I didn't see in the cross section. Maybe it was

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there. In my eyes. Just didn't see it. You can

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go with different Road widths. Would you be looking at,

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um, a narrower road width, uh, within the hamlets than

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you would between the hamlets. And I, I just know,

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for example, on some highways, uh, you're looking at 3.

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75 metres. Others are 2. 75 metres. So are you

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looking at a narrower? I'm looking to have less of

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an impact on properties in the hamlet. So are you

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looking at a narrower lane width within the hamlets than

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you are outside of the hamlets. Uh, sort of. Um,

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the, the Lane widths and the cross section elements are

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really a function of the design speed, the traffic volumes

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and things like that. So because the posted speed and

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therefore the design speed is lower in the hamlets, um,

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it allows us to go a slightly narrower lanes. In

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this case, it allows us to go with, with curbs,

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typical curb and gutter. Um, versus a paved shoulder and

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flat grading and things like that. So compared to say

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the higher posted speed in, uh, the pickering innovation corridor,

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which has got wider lanes, wider shoulders, very flat grading

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on the, on the outside, we can compress it to

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a degree, um, through the hamlets. And that's, that's what

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you're seeing in our cross section. So we've, uh, we've

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done about as much as we can. We've, we've removed

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the shoulders, uh, and replace those with barrier curves. And

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we need some boulevard there for snow storage and things

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like that. Um, and we've got, you know, we're adding

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active transportation. So that has the effect of making it

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a little bit wider, but we've really tried to compress

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that in. And where, where it makes sense and where

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it's feasible, we may consider other measures like retaining walls,

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um, or things like that. If they're, if they're a

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really crucial, uh, constraints that we need to avoid. So,

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uh, but I don't think, you know, otherwise the standards

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are pretty prescriptive. I don't think we can get much

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narrow or then we're already showing. Obviously any. Mitigation to

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avoid impact on residential properties and safety in a hamlet

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would be top of mind for me anyway. Um, displacement

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of buildings, um, you had mentioned that in Brom, um,

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are there any ingredient river. Most likely. Most likely. Cause

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some properties in Brom are, I think much closer to

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the road. So. By displacement, you mean demolish. Potentially. There's

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a, there's a process. I mean, we'll do heritage impact

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assessment on, on potentially impacted properties. First thing we'll do

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is try to avoid the impact. We'll try to mitigate

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the impact failing a feasible way to do that. Um,

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there are a couple of, of different approaches. Um, in

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theory, we can look at moving a building, but that's

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not something that happens very often because it's a, it's

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very expensive and not all buildings can physically be moved.

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But I'll just say that that's something that we would

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do on a case by case basis. Um, and if

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you don't know the answer to the specific question, that's

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fine. But I guess in Brom, I think Bentley House

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is set back far enough from the road that it

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ought not to be impacted. But further to the East,

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on the other side of the road, there's the church

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there. And then there's a collet commercial house, the older

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Brook building with, I think, green, white, and green. Right.

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So are those two of the buildings that are. Marked

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is potentially being displaced. Um, yeah, you know, and there's

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heritage buildings on the north side of the road as

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well. And they're all very close. Uh, you're correct about

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Bentley house. It's far enough back that we wouldn't expect

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to directly impact. But the church and the commercial house,

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if we go with the South widening, um, those would

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be displaced. Um, if we go with the north widening,

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they would not be displaced, but the two or three

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buildings on the north side would be. I'd like to

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follow up with, with, um, you guys and have a

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further in - depth discussion and look at the maps.

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And that, I guess my, my final question that Mr.

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Mayor is, um, you referred to reaching out to prop

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owners having further discussions and then having a further public

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information centre, I would hope in the, in the communities,

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the Green River or Brom are somewhere there. But I

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was just concerned when you spoke about property owners because

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some of those properties are owned by the federal government.

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So you would be including and inviting the tenants, uh,

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the actual people who are residing in those properties as

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well as the property owner who may be the federal

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government. Uh, in terms of, of project notifications, we would

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generally include, um, all properties in the study area, which

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is what we've, we've been doing to this point in

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terms of directly reaching out to discuss potential property impacts

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and mitigations. We would be dealing with the property owners.

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Not the tenants in this case. So, um. So that's

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a concern to me. I think you, you ought to

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be reaching out to, to the tenants, the people who

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actually live there, if they're not the landowner. So that's

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not a question. Oh, well, I guess the question and

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Mr. Mayor is, will you be suggesting that the landlords,

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if they're the federal government be passing that notice along

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to their tenants? So they have an opportunity to attend

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these meetings or would the notice be sent out, uh,

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as a direct male so that the residents would, uh,

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receive the notice as well and then be informed in

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order to attend the meeting. If, if we're talking about

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the meetings with directly impacted property owners, we, we would,

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we would not normally engage with tenants in that case.

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It would be up to the property owner to, um,

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to pass that along if they so chose. I might

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bring that up again in discussion, Mr. Mayor, at some

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point. Okay. Anyway, thank you. Thank you very much. Uh,

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thank you for your presentation. Um, we have a very

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long night. Okay. Councillor Roberts, you have questions. Yes. I

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do. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, just quickly, I have

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a couple of questions. Is the road being widened because

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of existing traffic that requires that today? Or is it

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being one to intended to facilitate future development of the,

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um, the federal lands, the federal airport lands, I'll say,

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and northeast Pickering. We use a travel demand forecast at

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the ministry has that has various horizon years, but we

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would be looking at existing conditions. And generally the horizon

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years that we look at now are 2041, 2051. Um,

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so it's really all of the above. Those background traffic

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growth and then there's growth associated with, uh, development. So,

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uh, that's, that's where the need really comes from. Okay.

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And then you so you also said that without the

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widening projected, the highway seven traffic demand will grow beyond

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the highways capacity. What exception, what assumptions were used in

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the traffic modelling? And for example, for what you were

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talking about, where do we get all the data from.

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Well, the ministry develops what they call the greater golden

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horseshoe model, which goes, you know, all around central region.

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Um, in the, in the, in the greater Toronto area,

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including Pickering. So it would be tied to, um, municipal

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official plans, uh, plan development, um, I'm not, I'm not

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an expert in that. We do have people that I

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don't have on this call, but, uh, it is something

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that is, it is tied to planned development. Approved development,

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I should say. Okay. And then so does that modelling

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assume that full development of the airport lands and of

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the Northeast Pickering lands. Is that. What it includes right

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now? I don't think the airport is in it any

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longer, but, um, the, uh, the development lands would be

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tied to. Oh, no, I'll just call it the federal

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ants. I'm sorry. Uh, I don't believe no. I don't

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believe it's tied to full development of that. I could

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take that back and get some more information on it.

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But certainly the, the, uh, innovation corridor lands, there'll be

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some timelines described to that in the, in the, uh,

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cities official plan and it would be tied to that.

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Yeah. Because I'm very curious if this highway widening is

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being advanced to support that future development of the federal

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lands or Northeast Pickering. And especially the federal lands because

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there hasn't even been a public decision on the future

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present yet. That's my question. That's not a question. Please

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my question was, is this highway? The question was posed.

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And the question was answered. Do you have another question.

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I sure do. Yes. Um, what impacts is, will the

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widening have on wetlands wildlife corridors and some species at

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risk. You want to speak to EAs, please? Uh, we'll

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be undertaking an assessment of, of impacts. Um, one of

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the things that we like about widening an existing corridor

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versus finding a new corridor is that generally those impacts

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are, are far fewer. Um, we have been doing field

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work to assess, um, existing conditions and identify species at

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risk as recently as I think we're going out this

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week. We've got people going out. We've got secondary source

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information that we've been using. We've been consulting with Parks

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Canada. Um, so that's how we'll be assessing species at

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risk and wood law impact and things like that. Okay.

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And then, uh, there we were just having a little

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bit of talk about building impacted or as you call

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them, um, displaced. Do we have a total number of

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how many buildings will be destroyed or displaced. Uh, we

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don't have a total number because we don't have a

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preferred alternative, um, at the moment. And there are a

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number of buildings where it's, it's too early to determine

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whether we can mitigate those impacts or not. Um, we

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haven't done enough of that design work yet. Um, that's

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something that's going to be forthcoming. And that's going to

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be part of our, our discussions with property owners to

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identify what is a, um, unacceptable or feasible, uh, mitigation

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measure. So I can't give you an exact number, but

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it's probably more than 10. Okay. That's okay. And the

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mentioning of bypassing the handlets is that off the table

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completely, that can happen. It's not completely off the table,

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but it's just not being considered right now. It's not

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being considered. Okay. And lastly, I think, um, you said

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that you match with some, well, you had some consultation.

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Have you had consultation like in brome or in like

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Green River with the residents that live there in those

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areas. No, not specifically our public meeting was the public

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information centre on May 27th. Yeah. And where was that

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one located again? Uh, Cornell community centre in Markham. Yeah.

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So that was in Mark. Um, okay. So nothing in

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the area here for Pickering. Well, presidents. Yeah. Sorry. It

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was not in Pickering, but we, you know, we, we

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certainly got some, um, feedback that there was a preference

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for holding the public information centre and pickering, uh, to

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that I'll respond with that this is a provincial project

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that is taking place in both Mark and Pickering. The

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closest suitable pickering site was in Claremont that was big

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enough and was accessible enough, which was significantly further away

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than Cornell was, uh, for the majority of the private

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00:44:10,074 --> 00:44:12,613
property owners that would be impacted in Green River and

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Locust Hill. I understand there's a new community centre now

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in Pickering that probably is, uh, a good location for

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our PIC number two. Okay. So then you are anticipating

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that if you are to hold a meeting here and

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pickering or in close proximity to Pick Rain, that there

475
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is going to be, um, a big turnout. So you

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00:44:33,305 --> 00:44:36,345
do need to have a bigger place in order to,

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um, have your consultation. Turn out and also just we

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have a lot of, uh, physical materials to display. So

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00:44:42,563 --> 00:44:45,985
we need a big enough space for that. Okay. There

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were no, I know there were a number of community

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centres, but they were, they were pretty small, um, too

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small for us to work with. Okay. Great. Thank you.

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Those are my questions. Thank you, Mr. Thank you. Thank

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you. Uh, no further questions. I want to thank you,

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Ms. Nickel and Mr. Gutz. Some on Council wish you're

486
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digging right now to, uh, enhance the travel for our

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00:45:10,943 --> 00:45:15,082
residents and to support the expansion of our business along

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the Innovation Quarter. So thank you for attending today. Appreciate,

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um, your attendance and your attentive nature to the details,

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which are of importance to our residents. So I appreciate

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you attending tonight. Our next delegate is Ms. Marion Tom

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Thomas. Miriam. I see you're on the screen there. Miriam,

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you're here to speak to the Heritage Permit application. Aiden

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12. 5 and Miriam, welcome back to our Council Chamber

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as a longtime resident and often contributor. Welcome back. You

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have five minutes. Okay. I'm here tonight to discuss the

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heritage permit application HP01 - 26. I'm certain that the

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closure of North Road has created incredible pressure on the

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city of Pickering to do something about the condition of

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White Bale Road. Everyone is aware of its condition and

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its need for repair. My concern is that the heritage

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00:46:23,927 --> 00:46:29,287
committee has only seen the changes involved in the hundred

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00:46:29,287 --> 00:46:35,607
percent plans would have been a minor nature. And I'm

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00:46:35,607 --> 00:46:38,487
just covering that is not the case. I now understand

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the staff still has to review the plan and has

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an opportunity to comment and make changes. It's been quite

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00:46:47,678 --> 00:46:50,598
difficult to obtain information on the drainage plan. And I'm

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certain that others would have issues. However, as long as

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00:46:53,478 --> 00:46:57,638
the heritage committee, the city of Pickering, AE con and

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the construction, he adhered to the recommendations included with the

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Executive Summary included with the agenda for the Heritage Application.

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I'm certain that this could turn out all right. One

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00:47:09,305 --> 00:47:11,684
would hope that the heritage committee and residents of the

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00:47:11,865 --> 00:47:15,364
Hamlet of Whiteville at the very least are residents association

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00:47:15,545 --> 00:47:17,764
would be able to see and comment on the latest

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plan. I've already submitted my concerns to staff regarding my

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00:47:22,105 --> 00:47:25,284
particular property. But as you know, this is a large

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document, so I have not been able to review the

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situation regarding other residents. I look forward to a positive

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outcome. Thank you, Mary. Uh, questions of the delegate. Being

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done. Thank you. Um, we have one further delegate from

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Whiteville. Ms. Julie Chombre, Julie, welcome to our Council meeting.

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I know you're also have been in our chamber, not

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00:47:55,111 --> 00:47:58,951
virtually, but a number of times. So welcome back. And

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you, you are also speaking about the Heritage Permit application.

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And Michambre, you have five minutes. Thank you. I just

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00:48:06,836 --> 00:48:09,055
want to stay clearly from the outset that I fully

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support this project, my goal tonight is not to stall

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or slow down this process. Our villages endured years of

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infrastructure gridlock and multiple devastating floods. We want this done.

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However, precisely, because we have weighted so long. We must

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ensure the final execution is done well done correctly and

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respects our community's heritage. I speak to you tonight, not

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just as an interested resident, but as someone who has

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00:48:39,048 --> 00:48:42,288
been actively involved in this drainage plan process for almost

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00:48:43,189 --> 00:48:47,216
two decades. Over this time, I've attended multiple meetings with

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staff and council. I've sent scores of emails and navigated

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00:48:51,077 --> 00:48:54,256
endless follow - ups. All too many of which were

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00:48:54,296 --> 00:48:58,838
left entirely unanswered. Because city staff have come and gone

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over these last two decades. I frequently found myself holding

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more institutional knowledge about the backgrounds, engineering plans and history

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00:49:07,358 --> 00:49:10,358
of this process than the current staff assigned to it.

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It shouldn't be this hard for a resident to track

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00:49:14,386 --> 00:49:18,765
a project that directly impacts their home and their community.

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After almost 20 years of painfully slow movement, this report

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is suddenly being rushed straight to Council tonight, completely bypassing

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00:49:28,005 --> 00:49:31,805
the planning committee rushing a decades - long project at

548
00:49:31,845 --> 00:49:36,719
the 11th hour is exactly how critical mistakes happen. I

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want to commend and applaud the Heritage Advisory Committee and

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for their hard work and dedication. However, we must acknowledge

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they're not working from the final plans. I've identified two

552
00:49:48,479 --> 00:49:52,159
major gaps of internal coordination that Council can and should

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00:49:52,340 --> 00:49:57,607
rectify tonight without delaying the project timeline. There's discrepancies between

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00:49:57,628 --> 00:50:02,327
the 95 percent and 100 percent plans. My understanding that

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the heritage assessment before you tonight evaluate the 95 percent

556
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design plans However, I've recently reviewed as they relate to

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my property. And there are substantial material changes between the

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00:50:16,348 --> 00:50:20,045
two. When I raise this with city staff, they candidly

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share that although they are the hundred percent plans, they

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00:50:24,205 --> 00:50:27,485
have not been finalised and have not yet been cross

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- referenced. They have not yet cross - referenced the

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hundred percent plans to ensure the heritage compliance. Secondly, I've

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learned from staff that an independent lighting study is currently

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underway to improve lighting in the hamlet. Shockingly, when I

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spoke with heritage staff, they were entirely unaware of the

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study was even happening until I brought this to their

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attention. We already have successful precedent and how lighting should

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be handled in Whiteville. In 2018, when our streetlights were

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switched from the original Century - Old Piplate fixtures, the

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00:51:05,189 --> 00:51:10,409
city engaged in thorough, meaningful consultation with the residents. Together,

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we agreed on sympathetic radial fixtures and soft, warm LED

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00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:20,823
lights to protect the hamlets historic night sky character. Lighting

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dictates the core character of a heritage conservation district, a

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00:51:25,263 --> 00:51:29,703
separate lighting study should not be operating in asylum, completely

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00:51:29,703 --> 00:51:33,463
divorced from heritage staff and the community standard we established

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00:51:33,484 --> 00:51:39,043
in 2018. After decades of waiting, Council finally has the

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historic opportunity to break the gridlock, yet this right, and

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deliver a project that both the city and the residents

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of Whiteville can be incredibly proud of. To ensure equality

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result without halting our momentum, I respectfully ask that Council

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approve this report. Subject to the following direct operational instructions

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to staff. That you direct staff to immediately cross -

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00:52:04,030 --> 00:52:07,390
reference the hundred percent engineering plans against the heritage report

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recommendations to ensure total consistency before any physical work begins

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and to direct staff to immediately loop the heritage team

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into the ongoing lighting study, ensuring that any proposed changes

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00:52:21,491 --> 00:52:25,710
honour the 2018 community consensus and strictly conform to the

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White Bill Heritage Conservation District guidelines. Let's use this final

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step to close the communication gaps, protect Whiteville's heritage, and

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00:52:34,807 --> 00:52:42,429
finally get the drainage plan done right. Thank you. Thank

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00:52:42,429 --> 00:52:48,433
you, Julia. Sorry. Uh, questions delegate. Councillor Pickles, did you

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00:52:48,433 --> 00:52:55,079
have a question. No. Okay, thank you. Uh, I don't

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see any questions, so I appreciate your submissions tonight, Marion

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and Julie. And we'll be dealing with this later in

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00:53:06,178 --> 00:53:09,258
the agenda, and you're welcome to follow us or follow

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00:53:09,298 --> 00:53:12,858
us on YouTube tonight. Uh, and we'll, uh, advise what

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00:53:12,858 --> 00:53:16,948
the meeting is. So. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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So our next delegate is a correspondence, uh, and a

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presentation, and it's the, uh, Mr. Abrams, our integrity commissioner

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from principals integrity. And it's in regards to complaint against

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00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,939
Councillor Robinson, respecting statements about staff corruption, as well as

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00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:40,619
statements about residential school mass graves. Um, Mr. Abrams, welcome

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00:53:40,619 --> 00:53:46,779
to our chamber. Um, are you here? Mine here, Mr.

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Mayor. Okay. Uh, do you want to introduce your report,

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sir. Thank you very much and good evening, Council. Thank

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you for the opportunity to provide some opening remarks on

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the report you have before you this evening. The report,

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of course, speaks for itself, but the summarize, there are

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two allegations addressed in the report. The first deals with

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a complaint about Councillor Robinson's claims about the veracity of

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00:54:13,307 --> 00:54:18,267
statements about mass graves at a former residential school site,

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which we've declined to investigate on the basis that it

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00:54:21,787 --> 00:54:26,027
is more properly dealt with under federal jurisdiction. We've received

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00:54:26,067 --> 00:54:28,507
other complaints on that topic, and this will be the

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00:54:28,688 --> 00:54:33,627
basis for a disposition of those complaints as well. The

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00:54:33,808 --> 00:54:37,227
second deals with a repeated claim for which the Councillor's

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been previously found in breach of our code responsibility. Attributing

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00:54:42,147 --> 00:54:46,987
negative characteristics to identifyable staff members and threatening their employment

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should she become mayor as Council's Wellaware staff have limited

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00:54:51,888 --> 00:54:56,747
ability to challenge false assertions made about their character and

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00:54:56,787 --> 00:55:01,067
performance. It is highly inappropriate to make such bald public

622
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statements. And the Councillor's been sanctioned on the very same

623
00:55:03,987 --> 00:55:10,027
statements in December of 2024. Because this portion of the

624
00:55:10,128 --> 00:55:14,267
complaint was filed by the CIO in relation to posting

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00:55:14,608 --> 00:55:19,307
on YouTube, which we considered to be overtly harassing, unjustifiably

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00:55:19,328 --> 00:55:24,747
critical and disrespectful to identifiable staff members in which improve

627
00:55:24,928 --> 00:55:29,307
staff's credibility and partiality or integrity. We initiated the complaint

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to Councillor Robinson with a preliminary findings report. As we

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recall, this was the process. Agreed to my Council in

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August of last year. The purpose of this process is

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Councillor will recall was to provide for a more rapid

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addressing of inappropriate behaviour towards staff. With all of that

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00:55:50,603 --> 00:55:53,462
said, I want to remind Council that it is in

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00:55:53,502 --> 00:55:57,542
a disciplinary mode this evening, regardless of your previous relationship

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00:55:57,723 --> 00:56:02,342
with, views of Councillor Robinson, good batter indifferent. He must

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00:56:02,382 --> 00:56:05,462
set them aside. He must form your judgment based upon

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how our recommendation relates to our findings on what you

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00:56:09,182 --> 00:56:11,462
hear tonight and what you've heard and will hear from

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Councillor Robinson if she chooses to speak this evening. Recognising

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that the investigation is now completed. And that tonight is

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not a hearing or a rehearing of what led to

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00:56:22,091 --> 00:56:25,491
our findings, as has been the case with our prior

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reports. We are in no position to answer questions into

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00:56:28,411 --> 00:56:32,531
the details of our investigation. That investigation was conducted on

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a confidential basis as required by the municipal act. And

646
00:56:36,965 --> 00:56:39,824
it is complete. It would in any event be in

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00:56:39,824 --> 00:56:43,344
property here only evidence elicited for example by Councillor Robinson

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00:56:43,925 --> 00:56:47,024
and not the complainant or other witnesses. In other words,

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Council this evening lacks the competence to conduct its own

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inquiry into the matter. Our findings are our findings. As

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00:56:55,606 --> 00:56:58,286
part of our investigation Councillo Robinson has had the full

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opportunity to present her position on the complaint to us.

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And we have reviewed her submissions and considered the matter

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with diligence. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Council. I'm available

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to any answer any suitable questions. Thank you, Mr. Abrams.

656
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Uh, questions of the delegate. Councillor Pickles.

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Thank you, Mirage. Um, this may be one of those

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00:57:26,966 --> 00:57:31,766
questions, Mr. Abrams, where you say it's not a appropriate.

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If that's the case, that's the case. Um. And an

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earlier meeting, we addressed an issue with respect to Councillor

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00:57:41,878 --> 00:57:47,198
Robinson and workplace harassment. And following that report, she made

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00:57:47,238 --> 00:57:51,278
a number of comments, I would say disparaging comments about

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00:57:51,859 --> 00:57:56,878
staff. Was that part of your investigation this time around,

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or it was not subject to your report in finding

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this time. Your report may have proceeded that meeting, or

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maybe you weren't aware of that meeting. In fact, the

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00:58:08,599 --> 00:58:11,679
complaints preceded that meeting. And so the report focused on

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the complaints that were filed. Thank you. Thank you. Any

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further questions. Pastor Robinson. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. And I

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don't think he'd be privy too in camera meeting. Information.

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Um, my first question is, why does this report include

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cam loop's references when the complaint before Council Elizabeth staff

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- related conduct? Councillor, there's no finding or sanction in

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regards to your denialism. So I'm not going to allow

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00:58:46,054 --> 00:58:49,214
the question. I understand that, but that's why I'm wondering

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00:58:49,315 --> 00:58:53,535
why. Questions. They're not, they're not a part of the

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00:58:53,556 --> 00:58:57,815
sanction and they're not a part of any infractions. So

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I'm not going to allow the questions. But Mr. Abrams

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00:59:00,615 --> 00:59:03,695
just brought dive forward and talked about nihilism or camera.

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00:59:04,036 --> 00:59:06,255
You're not getting penalized for it. There's no finding that

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you contributing the code of conduct. So I'm not allowing

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the questions. But why is Mr. Abrams alive to speak

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to that? But I'm not allowed to respond to that

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00:59:16,067 --> 00:59:18,947
question. It was part of the complaint. He dealt with

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that and a number of other complaints in that regard.

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There's no finding that he contraven the code of conduct.

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And the sanctuary. So we're not spending time speaking about

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your denialism tonight. Speaking about my denialism. Yes. You're done

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all of it. Okay. So why in the report, um,

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did you include climate denial or bill related references that

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they were not necessary to these findings. Is that me,

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Mr. Mayor? The report, the issue of, uh, what's been

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described as denialism with respect to the burial sites was

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part of the complaint. And we adjust why we were

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not dealing with the matter in the report. So shouldn't

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a report, um, explain relevance, not just collect inflammatory material.

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And hope that it influences council. Well, I can explain

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why it wasn't included. And this is why we did

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not pursue a complaint. And that was, um, because the

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matter, we felt was better placed in federal jurisdiction. There's,

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there's an analogy here under the municipal act. We are

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01:00:35,263 --> 01:00:39,823
compelled to refer to the police, for example, allegations of

703
01:00:40,004 --> 01:00:42,543
breach of the criminal code. And the reason for that

704
01:00:42,644 --> 01:00:46,763
is, I believe the reason for that is to, uh,

705
01:00:46,804 --> 01:00:52,463
prevent obstruction of a police investigation and also to provide

706
01:00:52,724 --> 01:00:57,183
fairness to the respondent because the, the, uh, procedural fair

707
01:00:57,183 --> 01:01:00,783
and a standard would be higher in a criminal investigation.

708
01:01:00,783 --> 01:01:04,063
In this case, we believe the matter is would be

709
01:01:04,063 --> 01:01:08,863
more properly placed under federal jurisdiction. And integrity commissioners aren't

710
01:01:09,764 --> 01:01:13,983
well placed to deal with the issues that were dealt

711
01:01:14,004 --> 01:01:18,063
with by the truth and reconciliation commission, uh, to do

712
01:01:18,063 --> 01:01:22,116
so. Would, I would think require a hearing. We require

713
01:01:22,156 --> 01:01:25,396
an inmorral enormous ugly expense on the part of the

714
01:01:25,497 --> 01:01:30,996
municipality. And we take quite a bit of time to,

715
01:01:31,036 --> 01:01:37,476
to complete. So that's a long answer to, uh, the

716
01:01:37,516 --> 01:01:41,716
question of why did we not pursue, um, making any

717
01:01:41,737 --> 01:01:48,838
findings with respect to those statements in this report. Right.

718
01:01:48,838 --> 01:01:53,958
Um, now I did talk about cam loops and I,

719
01:01:53,998 --> 01:01:57,796
in my rebuttal to you. And everything that I said

720
01:01:57,836 --> 01:02:02,116
about cam loops was directly taken from the nations up

721
01:02:02,156 --> 01:02:05,716
in Kamloops and from newspaper clippings. Councillor, I'm not allowing

722
01:02:05,897 --> 01:02:09,056
to see more. You've got, you pose your question, Mr.

723
01:02:09,056 --> 01:02:14,116
Abrams, Abrams has ably answered it. We're not going down

724
01:02:14,377 --> 01:02:19,716
the Robbitt hole of your denialism. It's done. We're speaking

725
01:02:19,737 --> 01:02:24,356
about the report and the sanctions that are recommended. So,

726
01:02:24,356 --> 01:02:26,356
uh, I'm not going to allow anymore. So if you

727
01:02:26,396 --> 01:02:29,556
want to get to your allegations about staff corruption, please

728
01:02:29,657 --> 01:02:32,322
do. If not, we'll move to the motion. Well, I

729
01:02:32,343 --> 01:02:35,522
do, Mr. Mayor, but you know, you sitting here and

730
01:02:35,522 --> 01:02:37,282
saying that, can I just finish what I'm saying before

731
01:02:37,383 --> 01:02:39,282
you cut me off, please? Because I think I have

732
01:02:39,463 --> 01:02:41,402
a right to. I'm not, I'm not debating. Please go

733
01:02:41,402 --> 01:02:44,082
on. I'm not debating either, but you know, you're sitting

734
01:02:44,103 --> 01:02:46,882
there calling me a saying that we're going down a

735
01:02:46,922 --> 01:02:50,882
rabbit hole when everything I took has been nationally in

736
01:02:50,882 --> 01:02:53,122
black and white. You're debating if you, if you want,

737
01:02:53,162 --> 01:02:56,482
if you, if you want to stop, uh, the questions,

738
01:02:56,482 --> 01:02:59,397
I'm not allowing any more on your denialism. Please continue

739
01:03:01,258 --> 01:03:04,437
creep and you keep on saying rabbit hole and denialism.

740
01:03:04,437 --> 01:03:08,094
That's perfectly okay. No, sir. That's fine. It's okay, Mr.

741
01:03:08,094 --> 01:03:12,695
Mayor. Everybody's watching. Yes, I'm, I'm delighted they are. This

742
01:03:12,716 --> 01:03:15,735
is on the record. The choices start and the choice

743
01:03:15,775 --> 01:03:19,781
is clear. Oh, that was the comment that you made

744
01:03:20,202 --> 01:03:24,341
after you told everybody that I was running for there.

745
01:03:24,381 --> 01:03:28,576
Council, sir. You just make the comment, Mr. Mayor. I'm

746
01:03:28,576 --> 01:03:31,076
just giving context. You're going to have five minutes of

747
01:03:31,097 --> 01:03:34,560
debate. Don't waste it now. No, I'm not. I'm just

748
01:03:34,581 --> 01:03:36,720
giving context to your remark. Is that that was what

749
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,800
you posted on Facebook and when you made the announcement?

750
01:03:41,141 --> 01:03:46,614
You have questions of the. Thank you. Yeah. Um, why

751
01:03:46,635 --> 01:03:50,534
does a report treat that explanation as fresh wrong doing.

752
01:03:53,836 --> 01:03:57,769
Okay. Sorry. I'm going to go back a bit. I

753
01:03:57,870 --> 01:04:00,529
am being punished right now when you guys want to

754
01:04:00,529 --> 01:04:02,729
take my pay away once again for the ninth time

755
01:04:04,750 --> 01:04:08,969
for saying the comment that I said that I said

756
01:04:09,150 --> 01:04:11,929
back in, when was it did you say Mr. Abrams

757
01:04:11,950 --> 01:04:17,764
2025. The comment 2024 I believe was the 2024. Right.

758
01:04:17,764 --> 01:04:20,084
So that was a comment when I said, if I

759
01:04:20,084 --> 01:04:22,484
was to become mayor, I would use this strong marriage

760
01:04:22,524 --> 01:04:24,564
powers for good. I go into city hall, get rid

761
01:04:24,564 --> 01:04:27,284
of this city solicitor CAO, a bunch of the directors

762
01:04:27,545 --> 01:04:30,403
because corruption does start at the top. I would tear

763
01:04:30,403 --> 01:04:32,483
it down the city hall, build it back up from

764
01:04:32,483 --> 01:04:35,363
the bottom and go back to the people. So my

765
01:04:35,363 --> 01:04:39,363
question, Mr. Mayor, preach the code again by calling a

766
01:04:39,403 --> 01:04:46,103
corruption. So do you have a question. And I didn't

767
01:04:46,143 --> 01:04:49,063
call it corruption. I said corruption starts at the top.

768
01:04:49,063 --> 01:04:52,503
Now I have already been sanctioned for this and I

769
01:04:52,604 --> 01:04:59,226
was. I was, um, I'm being punished. For something that

770
01:04:59,266 --> 01:05:02,346
I said before when I was, when I was talking

771
01:05:02,367 --> 01:05:08,106
about why I was punished before. So for me just

772
01:05:08,106 --> 01:05:12,266
saying that, Hey, I lost three months salary because I

773
01:05:12,266 --> 01:05:15,946
said what I just said, why am I you're debating.

774
01:05:15,946 --> 01:05:24,051
So my question is why am I you're debating. Hey,

775
01:05:24,051 --> 01:05:27,091
Mr. Marcus. Okay my question my question is why might

776
01:05:27,131 --> 01:05:30,851
be punished for explaining why I lost my paid the

777
01:05:30,851 --> 01:05:36,209
first time. The rebel news video is what where you

778
01:05:36,209 --> 01:05:40,749
said once again that our staff members are corrupt. You

779
01:05:40,749 --> 01:05:45,169
were found in against the code of conduct. You've done

780
01:05:45,209 --> 01:05:48,129
no proof to that. And you've done it again. You've

781
01:05:48,169 --> 01:05:54,129
done it again tonight. Um, we're not, we're not debating.

782
01:05:54,129 --> 01:05:56,569
So if you have a questions, please pose that. I

783
01:05:56,569 --> 01:05:59,089
did ask my question, but you just interrupted me again.

784
01:05:59,190 --> 01:06:03,480
My question is why am I being punished. For telling

785
01:06:03,581 --> 01:06:06,600
for telling people why I was punished in the first

786
01:06:06,701 --> 01:06:08,920
place. So you're telling me I've never allowed to talk

787
01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:10,840
about it again or every time I do I'm going

788
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,960
to be punished. Councillor, when I speak, you stop. That's

789
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:18,440
the rule. How about that works both ways when the

790
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:25,528
chair speaks. You stop. Thank you. Mr. Abrams has spoken

791
01:06:25,629 --> 01:06:28,728
about that on the report. And I'll give Mr. Abrams

792
01:06:28,768 --> 01:06:32,008
the opportunity to respond if he pleases. If he doesn't,

793
01:06:32,029 --> 01:06:36,960
we'll move on. Thank you. Thank you Mr. Mayor. We

794
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:40,440
certainly didn't take the remarks as an explanation. And even

795
01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:45,060
if they were, they were repeated verbatim words that, uh,

796
01:06:46,141 --> 01:06:50,760
as we've been discussing, the Council had already resulted in

797
01:06:50,861 --> 01:06:54,600
a finding a breach of the Code of Conduct. That

798
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:59,240
occasional, not occasion, the sanction was not an entry fee

799
01:06:59,581 --> 01:07:04,280
for the ability to repeat the allegations. And so they

800
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:08,040
were freshly made knowing that making them would be a

801
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:10,040
breach of the code of conduct. And so that is

802
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:15,438
why the sanction is at the level of this. Actually,

803
01:07:15,438 --> 01:07:17,998
no. Um, I would like to be because I was

804
01:07:18,499 --> 01:07:23,198
making the comment telling people why I lost my, you're

805
01:07:23,198 --> 01:07:25,518
going to have your five minutes of debate questions of

806
01:07:25,518 --> 01:07:31,146
the delegate. Well, the, the question to the delegate is

807
01:07:32,287 --> 01:07:36,106
why am I not allowed to tell people why I

808
01:07:36,207 --> 01:07:38,186
was sanctioned in the first place. I'm not allowed to

809
01:07:38,207 --> 01:07:42,006
repeat that ever again. The question has been posed. And

810
01:07:42,006 --> 01:07:43,386
the answer is been given. Do you have another question.

811
01:07:48,962 --> 01:07:55,261
Um, why does my response to the integrity commissioner not,

812
01:07:55,261 --> 01:07:58,381
why does the report not include my full response to

813
01:07:58,562 --> 01:08:01,901
council? So cancel could actually see both sides of the

814
01:08:02,002 --> 01:08:06,061
argument. They could see my rebel. They could see what

815
01:08:06,082 --> 01:08:09,581
the complaint is and like, you know, have both sides

816
01:08:09,602 --> 01:08:13,415
so they can actually make an informed decision. Council, sir,

817
01:08:13,415 --> 01:08:14,935
many of us saw the video. We know what you

818
01:08:14,975 --> 01:08:18,615
said. I think there's no debate about what was said.

819
01:08:18,615 --> 01:08:22,215
Uh, we found it very offensive. Um, so we don't

820
01:08:22,255 --> 01:08:25,415
have to re - litigate what you said. It's still

821
01:08:25,436 --> 01:08:29,495
on the internet. If you Google rebel news and I

822
01:08:29,495 --> 01:08:33,295
invite people to do that tonight, um, so councillor, do

823
01:08:33,295 --> 01:08:36,564
you have any further questions. Mr. Mayor, I do, I

824
01:08:36,564 --> 01:08:40,284
do think I need to respond to that. The Councillor's

825
01:08:40,284 --> 01:08:46,824
referring to her response to the preliminary findings report. And

826
01:08:46,824 --> 01:08:52,284
we did certainly consider her responses. Uh, as Council well

827
01:08:52,324 --> 01:08:57,484
knows, uh, the investigation of an integrity commissioner is obliged

828
01:08:57,524 --> 01:09:00,844
to be conducted in secret. That's the language of the

829
01:09:01,105 --> 01:09:06,684
statute. Uh, and it would not be, uh, possible, practical

830
01:09:07,105 --> 01:09:12,524
for us to publish their responses of a councillor involved,

831
01:09:12,524 --> 01:09:15,804
the respondent or of witnesses in order to present the

832
01:09:15,844 --> 01:09:20,844
Council, uh, the opportunity for, uh, full assessment of all

833
01:09:20,844 --> 01:09:24,764
of the evidence that was before us. It was our

834
01:09:24,785 --> 01:09:30,204
task to assess that evidence. That included the Councillor's submissions

835
01:09:30,204 --> 01:09:33,084
to us. And that was done at the end result

836
01:09:33,185 --> 01:09:36,124
of the publication of the report you have on your

837
01:09:36,145 --> 01:09:43,089
agenda this evening. So let me ask you this. Every

838
01:09:43,089 --> 01:09:45,169
time I say from now on, if I was to

839
01:09:45,190 --> 01:09:48,409
become mayor and finish off a dive sentence, will I

840
01:09:48,409 --> 01:09:53,773
be punished again with another 30 days pay. It's not

841
01:09:53,874 --> 01:09:57,373
the, uh, it's not your proposal to the electorate that

842
01:09:58,834 --> 01:10:02,333
has given offence to the Code of conduct. It's the

843
01:10:02,373 --> 01:10:07,933
allegations about staff. Staff who cannot fairly represent themselves in

844
01:10:07,933 --> 01:10:16,190
the same form. You're penalized. You're punishing me for saying

845
01:10:16,691 --> 01:10:20,430
the reason why I was punished in the first place.

846
01:10:20,430 --> 01:10:25,614
And earlier you mentioned that, um. You would hand off,

847
01:10:25,614 --> 01:10:28,254
you know, or like, you know, if it's not in

848
01:10:28,275 --> 01:10:30,014
your scope, you would like hand it off to the

849
01:10:30,035 --> 01:10:32,634
federal government for a denialism or whatever it was, but

850
01:10:32,755 --> 01:10:35,792
you'd made that comment. So my question is to you.

851
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:43,219
If my speech and I talk about, let's say corruption

852
01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:49,459
lies, wasteful spending accountability. Why is that treated as misconduct

853
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:54,268
rather than political criticism. Why do you keep on taking

854
01:10:54,308 --> 01:10:58,331
away my pay when I mentioned that. We make recommendations

855
01:10:58,592 --> 01:11:03,131
on sanctioned councillor. And in, and the remarks were particularly

856
01:11:03,152 --> 01:11:07,642
offensive because they were about identifiable individuals. This was not

857
01:11:07,682 --> 01:11:11,882
about a platform. This was about, um, allegations that we

858
01:11:11,922 --> 01:11:17,928
found to be without merit about identifiable individuals. Right. So

859
01:11:18,189 --> 01:11:22,408
then my question is why wouldn't you look into those

860
01:11:22,589 --> 01:11:26,408
allegations? Like why wouldn't you bring in a third party

861
01:11:26,429 --> 01:11:30,088
and say, okay, I'm Councillor, that's, that's not the integrity

862
01:11:30,189 --> 01:11:34,628
commissioner's role. You have, uh, you have other mechanisms, the

863
01:11:34,628 --> 01:11:37,928
ombudsmen, the police, which I know you've gone through. You've

864
01:11:38,109 --> 01:11:40,648
called out for an investigation by the premier. So you've,

865
01:11:40,648 --> 01:11:44,408
you've followed all those opportunities. It's not the integrity commissioner.

866
01:11:44,408 --> 01:11:47,128
Actually, Mr. Mariano said to the integrity commissioner, if they

867
01:11:47,128 --> 01:11:48,968
find something to be criminal or they think something might

868
01:11:48,989 --> 01:11:54,328
be criminal, it is their duty to contact, let's say

869
01:11:54,669 --> 01:11:57,048
a different authority. Like for example, the police, I mean,

870
01:11:57,309 --> 01:12:01,048
they did that when I did that poem that children's

871
01:12:01,088 --> 01:12:06,675
poem, sir, other report. Well, yeah, that is the question.

872
01:12:06,675 --> 01:12:09,795
Why do not pass up? You have not obligations to

873
01:12:09,835 --> 01:12:12,507
other authorities. Do you have any further questions. Of the

874
01:12:12,608 --> 01:12:16,670
report? That is my question. There's no keep going. Well,

875
01:12:16,691 --> 01:12:18,910
but Mr. Mayor, you just said there wasn't in their

876
01:12:18,931 --> 01:12:21,070
privy to do so, but it is in their privy

877
01:12:21,070 --> 01:12:22,990
to do so because they've done it before when you

878
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:26,990
try to have me charge Mr. Abrams. You're a very,

879
01:12:26,990 --> 01:12:32,910
uh, smart guy a lawyer. Um, with decades of experience,

880
01:12:32,910 --> 01:12:35,070
if you wish to respond, you can. If not, I'll

881
01:12:35,091 --> 01:12:42,230
move on. Well, the, the allegations were, um, bear allegations

882
01:12:42,411 --> 01:12:47,510
with any supporting evidence, uh, and so there was nothing

883
01:12:47,691 --> 01:12:52,117
for us to pursue. The conclusion, the conclusion was that

884
01:12:52,138 --> 01:12:55,957
they were disparaging comments about staff who were not in

885
01:12:55,997 --> 01:13:01,557
a position to respond. Bear assertions about, we didn't, I

886
01:13:01,578 --> 01:13:04,037
didn't include this word in my opening remarks. I did

887
01:13:04,077 --> 01:13:09,637
that purposely, but bear assertions of a corruption. Um, it's,

888
01:13:09,637 --> 01:13:13,777
we regarded it as unfair. And in this instance, uh,

889
01:13:14,298 --> 01:13:17,077
matter that had already been result once before and was

890
01:13:17,098 --> 01:13:22,999
now being repeated. I have talked about extortion about corruption,

891
01:13:22,999 --> 01:13:26,119
about lies, wasteful spending, et cetera, et cetera. And not

892
01:13:26,140 --> 01:13:28,919
once had you tried to have this investigated by another

893
01:13:29,020 --> 01:13:32,999
party. Also, you've never, we, we've asked, I've asked the

894
01:13:32,999 --> 01:13:38,679
CAOs asked for any, not just proof, but actually outlining

895
01:13:38,679 --> 01:13:42,999
the allegation. You've never done that. So my delegations before.

896
01:13:44,088 --> 01:13:47,487
I've told you about the manipulation of the videos, the

897
01:13:47,528 --> 01:13:51,507
White Noise. Well, that was investigated. I talked about extortion

898
01:13:51,848 --> 01:13:54,307
and one of our in - camera meetings, Mr. Mayor.

899
01:13:54,307 --> 01:13:55,987
You were there. So why would I give you the

900
01:13:56,008 --> 01:13:58,147
evidence? It has to go to a third party to

901
01:13:58,187 --> 01:14:04,807
investigate. The time and White Noise was investigated and found

902
01:14:04,807 --> 01:14:07,927
to be false. And the extortion thing you're talking about,

903
01:14:07,927 --> 01:14:09,607
I have no knowledge of what you're talking about, which

904
01:14:09,708 --> 01:14:14,167
doesn't surprise me. Cause even Ms. Kimslor Brenner talked in

905
01:14:14,167 --> 01:14:16,647
the meeting about it being looking like extortion. We were

906
01:14:16,647 --> 01:14:20,014
all there. You can't deny it. Well, I can deny

907
01:14:20,014 --> 01:14:23,614
it. Do you have any other questions, Councillor? Okay. So

908
01:14:23,654 --> 01:14:26,654
now that I've mentioned that, do you think Mr. Abrams

909
01:14:26,694 --> 01:14:29,534
would bring in a third party to investigate so I

910
01:14:29,574 --> 01:14:33,374
could talk about my allegations? What is your allegation? You're

911
01:14:33,374 --> 01:14:38,838
making an allegation right now. Yes. What is eruption lies

912
01:14:39,579 --> 01:14:44,882
extortion. Miss you, the power breaching in FIPA. There's a

913
01:14:44,922 --> 01:14:48,162
whole list of them, Mr. Mayor. Oh, so manipulation of

914
01:14:48,183 --> 01:14:53,700
records, manipulation of documents. And you've outlined these allegations to

915
01:14:53,721 --> 01:14:56,570
who. I have all the allegations, but I'm sorry. It's

916
01:14:56,610 --> 01:14:59,890
like giving the criminal the evidence. No, I want to

917
01:14:59,890 --> 01:15:01,930
give the evidence to somebody else. I do not want

918
01:15:01,930 --> 01:15:03,930
to give it to you. Criminal. That's not part of

919
01:15:03,970 --> 01:15:05,530
entry. You can't - No, no, no, no. I never

920
01:15:05,570 --> 01:15:07,770
once called them criminal. Sorry. If it was taken that

921
01:15:07,770 --> 01:15:11,530
way, again, you are manipulating and changing my workout. I

922
01:15:11,530 --> 01:15:17,370
said you would not give 17 minutes of your brand.

923
01:15:18,286 --> 01:15:19,945
And it's about to come to an end. You're going

924
01:15:19,945 --> 01:15:22,265
to have five minutes of debate. I'm asking questions. No,

925
01:15:22,265 --> 01:15:27,225
you're not. You're debating. Um, you're making more false allegations,

926
01:15:27,225 --> 01:15:29,865
unfounded. And I'm going to bring it to the end.

927
01:15:29,865 --> 01:15:31,545
Do you have any other questions? You say that my

928
01:15:32,286 --> 01:15:34,825
allegations are I founded and did not read. I warned

929
01:15:34,865 --> 01:15:37,385
you, Councillor, thank you. We're going to answer into debate

930
01:15:37,425 --> 01:15:45,196
now. Um, there is a motion. I understand it will

931
01:15:45,217 --> 01:15:48,476
be brought on screen. And it's moved by Councillor Cook.

932
01:15:48,476 --> 01:15:52,779
And it's second by Councillor Maggie. And each member of

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01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:58,299
Council will have five minutes. And the recommendation is to

934
01:15:58,339 --> 01:16:03,019
support the commissioner's report calling for a 90 day patients

935
01:16:03,019 --> 01:16:08,322
mentioned from June 22nd, ending on September 19th, 2026. Uh,

936
01:16:08,343 --> 01:16:18,050
you could diminish that. Debate. Not debate Councillor Robinson. You

937
01:16:18,050 --> 01:16:20,476
want your five minutes. Um, I do, but I have

938
01:16:20,476 --> 01:16:23,836
a question about that. Um, wouldn't this start on my

939
01:16:23,876 --> 01:16:27,810
next pay. On my first day of my next pay

940
01:16:27,850 --> 01:16:33,117
period. I think we went over this before last time

941
01:16:33,157 --> 01:16:35,357
when I was supposed to get paid. And we get

942
01:16:35,397 --> 01:16:38,883
paid two weeks. Prior. It'll be 90 days. Let's worry

943
01:16:38,883 --> 01:16:40,983
about that later. Do you have any other, do you

944
01:16:40,983 --> 01:16:42,003
want to be? No, I like to worry about it

945
01:16:42,043 --> 01:16:45,956
now when mortgages do. Well, perhaps that would have been

946
01:16:45,977 --> 01:16:49,396
a thought you've had before you when I'm rebel news.

947
01:16:49,396 --> 01:16:56,561
Uh, is the treasurer on the call. You worship, I

948
01:16:56,561 --> 01:17:00,521
can actually provide some context for that prior to drafting

949
01:17:00,561 --> 01:17:03,881
those motions. We always check with payroll. And those dates

950
01:17:04,062 --> 01:17:06,841
were confirmed by our payroll supervisor. And that's how the

951
01:17:06,881 --> 01:17:12,154
motion was written. Okay. Thank you. And then my other

952
01:17:12,175 --> 01:17:16,681
question is how come this was, um. Motion first and

953
01:17:16,702 --> 01:17:19,961
second by Cook and Daggy. And this was already done

954
01:17:20,222 --> 01:17:24,201
behind the scenes, not in person right here. Well, Councillor,

955
01:17:24,201 --> 01:17:25,721
I knew. So what kind of a meeting was done

956
01:17:25,761 --> 01:17:28,121
behind the scenes? Were you emailing them again and asking

957
01:17:28,142 --> 01:17:30,041
who wanted you being mover and who wanted to be

958
01:17:30,081 --> 01:17:32,481
second or Mr. Mayor? Could you've done that before. We

959
01:17:32,481 --> 01:17:34,681
have evidence of that. There probably would have been five

960
01:17:34,721 --> 01:17:37,801
people wanting to move this and five more wanting to

961
01:17:38,062 --> 01:17:42,281
second it, Councillor. But, uh, as a professional, I go

962
01:17:42,281 --> 01:17:45,881
over the agenda with the, with our staff. And they

963
01:17:45,921 --> 01:17:48,601
say what motions. And then I, I, I saw down

964
01:17:49,102 --> 01:17:51,801
a mover in a secondary and Councillor Cook. And Councillor

965
01:17:51,841 --> 01:17:55,161
Nagy rose their hand. So you have five minutes of

966
01:17:55,161 --> 01:17:57,161
debate will start. There was nothing professional about this process.

967
01:18:03,954 --> 01:18:06,253
Your five minutes have started. Okay. This process has been

968
01:18:06,274 --> 01:18:09,613
weaponized against me. It does not a neutral integrity process.

969
01:18:09,613 --> 01:18:13,853
It is a pattern of retaliation selective enforcement bad faith

970
01:18:13,893 --> 01:18:17,693
decision making bias and abuse of power. The complaints have

971
01:18:17,733 --> 01:18:20,413
come from the very people I am criticizing. And the

972
01:18:20,413 --> 01:18:24,733
result has been repeated sanctions repeated financial punishment repeated attempts

973
01:18:24,994 --> 01:18:29,933
to silence at a dissenting voice. Public silence, private avoidance.

974
01:18:29,933 --> 01:18:33,933
And repeated punishments are not integrity, Mr. Mayor. My allegations

975
01:18:33,973 --> 01:18:39,213
have been, have been serious and wide ranging lies loopholes,

976
01:18:39,213 --> 01:18:43,373
corruption, extortion, racial spending, misuse of public funds misuse of

977
01:18:43,373 --> 01:18:48,493
public office, manipulation of correspondence and video recordings, breaches of

978
01:18:48,514 --> 01:18:52,173
amphippa, use of surveillance footage without proper procedures, breaches of

979
01:18:52,194 --> 01:18:57,613
city policy, sexual harassment, procedural and fairness reprisal censorship suppression

980
01:18:57,613 --> 01:19:01,853
of dissent and misfeasms. I've also raised concerns about attempts

981
01:19:01,893 --> 01:19:04,333
to keep me out of in - camera meetings by

982
01:19:04,373 --> 01:19:07,213
family to send links blocking access to city hall, removing

983
01:19:07,474 --> 01:19:11,533
card access, cutting office resources and trying to isolate me

984
01:19:11,554 --> 01:19:16,653
from normal councillor functions. I've also been targeted over speech.

985
01:19:16,653 --> 01:19:19,373
This should never have been treated as criminal or hateful.

986
01:19:19,373 --> 01:19:22,733
I have been pursued over reciting a children's poem and

987
01:19:22,733 --> 01:19:25,853
over word said by someone else. While the actual speaker

988
01:19:25,893 --> 01:19:28,973
was not even pursued. I've also been attacked for bringing

989
01:19:29,394 --> 01:19:32,973
forward notices of motions for my constituents about bathrooms, flag

990
01:19:32,973 --> 01:19:36,413
policies, age restrictions at part events. And whether people agree

991
01:19:36,434 --> 01:19:39,933
with those views or not is really beside the point.

992
01:19:39,933 --> 01:19:43,213
Elective speech should not be converted into punishment by political

993
01:19:43,314 --> 01:19:46,653
opponents. That is not accountability. That is suppression. I also

994
01:19:46,834 --> 01:19:49,773
want to make it clear that I've not given a

995
01:19:49,773 --> 01:19:52,886
fair chance as everyone just saw. To be heard. Not

996
01:19:52,886 --> 01:19:55,866
one councillor is ever genuinely come to me before sanctioning

997
01:19:55,887 --> 01:19:58,986
me to aspermide side. My full responses had never been

998
01:19:59,007 --> 01:20:02,266
included or considered witnesses on my behalf. I've never been

999
01:20:02,287 --> 01:20:06,026
interviewed while the city side moves forward. That is procedural

1000
01:20:06,207 --> 01:20:09,706
and fairness. That is bias and that is selective enforcement.

1001
01:20:09,727 --> 01:20:12,266
I also sent to Cease and Assist letters and instead

1002
01:20:12,266 --> 01:20:15,786
of stopping or correcting the course, they ignore them and

1003
01:20:15,786 --> 01:20:18,026
doubled down. And that is not fairness, but just nothing

1004
01:20:18,047 --> 01:20:21,626
more than escalation. And now today I'm being sanctioned again

1005
01:20:21,647 --> 01:20:24,586
for telling people why I was sanctioned before. That is

1006
01:20:24,586 --> 01:20:27,306
the most revealing part of all of this. I'm being

1007
01:20:27,567 --> 01:20:31,626
punished for explaining the punishment. I'm being punished for defending

1008
01:20:31,807 --> 01:20:35,466
myself. That is circular. That is retaliatory. And that is

1009
01:20:35,567 --> 01:20:38,186
the conduct of a system try to get me one

1010
01:20:38,287 --> 01:20:41,466
way or another. This is now my Ninth station. I've

1011
01:20:41,466 --> 01:20:43,226
lost two years of pay. The mayor has tried to

1012
01:20:43,226 --> 01:20:45,626
take away my expense account. My car, my phone, my

1013
01:20:45,727 --> 01:20:48,426
internet, my allowance and my ability to function as an

1014
01:20:48,426 --> 01:20:52,106
elected member. I've been blocked from meetings excluded from functionings

1015
01:20:52,127 --> 01:20:55,066
cropped out of photos and treated as though my role

1016
01:20:55,087 --> 01:20:58,106
can be narrowed or erased whenever it suits those in

1017
01:20:58,146 --> 01:21:00,586
power. And that's not governance. That is nothing more than

1018
01:21:00,767 --> 01:21:04,426
reprisal. I also want to address the two judicial reviews.

1019
01:21:04,426 --> 01:21:06,426
My position is that they did not examine the underlying

1020
01:21:06,447 --> 01:21:09,786
evidence that would show integrity commission reports for bias based

1021
01:21:09,786 --> 01:21:12,746
on personal opinion and factually wrong. They focused on whether

1022
01:21:12,847 --> 01:21:15,866
the IC had the authority and whether the administrative threshold

1023
01:21:15,967 --> 01:21:18,746
was met, but they did not properly test the truth

1024
01:21:18,746 --> 01:21:22,506
of the reports themselves or the evidence that was ignored.

1025
01:21:22,506 --> 01:21:25,786
So those decisions do not answer the central question, whether

1026
01:21:25,786 --> 01:21:28,906
the reports were fair, accurate or unbiased. If the city

1027
01:21:28,927 --> 01:21:31,946
truly wanted the truth, it would investigate the allegations instead

1028
01:21:31,946 --> 01:21:34,986
of punishing the person who raises them. A councillor speaking

1029
01:21:34,986 --> 01:21:38,266
about corruption, waste, extortion, misuse of funds, the abuse of

1030
01:21:38,306 --> 01:21:42,573
power should trigger an independent inquirer, not retaliation. If the

1031
01:21:42,613 --> 01:21:45,053
mayor, the CAO or the integrity commissioner believed that I'm

1032
01:21:45,093 --> 01:21:48,653
wrong, then let there be a real investigation. Let the

1033
01:21:48,693 --> 01:21:51,853
evidence be tested. Let the witnesses be heard and let

1034
01:21:51,853 --> 01:21:54,813
the truth stand on its own. Until that happens, this

1035
01:21:54,813 --> 01:21:58,493
process will continue to look like censorship reprisal and abuse

1036
01:21:58,533 --> 01:22:02,253
of municipal power directed at the one dissenting councillor who

1037
01:22:02,274 --> 01:22:06,893
refused to be silenced. Counsel should not legitimize the abuse

1038
01:22:06,933 --> 01:22:09,933
of process. And I ask that you guys all reject

1039
01:22:10,114 --> 01:22:12,573
this report and refuse to punish me for speaking out

1040
01:22:12,613 --> 01:22:15,773
about the punishment that I've already suffered, but you've already

1041
01:22:15,874 --> 01:22:19,613
just shown that you all go ahead behind the scenes,

1042
01:22:19,613 --> 01:22:22,973
talk amongst yourself to bring these motions forward. And that

1043
01:22:23,013 --> 01:22:25,773
shows to your character. Thank you. That's all I have

1044
01:22:25,773 --> 01:22:32,969
to say, Mr. Mayor. Thank you. Um. If, if no

1045
01:22:32,969 --> 01:22:36,169
one wishes Councillor Cook, you are the mover. I'm going

1046
01:22:36,169 --> 01:22:39,689
to offer my comments and then you as the mover

1047
01:22:39,689 --> 01:22:44,969
can close. Um, Councillor Robinson, I'm just going to start

1048
01:22:44,990 --> 01:22:46,769
my time around five minutes too. Cause I want to

1049
01:22:47,070 --> 01:22:51,514
make sure the rules are for everybody. Councillor Robinson just

1050
01:22:51,514 --> 01:22:56,480
talked about character. And we just saw it again. Uh,

1051
01:22:56,741 --> 01:23:04,215
lack of character. She used words like corruption. Extortion. She

1052
01:23:04,396 --> 01:23:07,175
said the mayor did X, Y, and Z, the mayor

1053
01:23:07,175 --> 01:23:12,935
did no such thing. I've never cut her expense account

1054
01:23:13,036 --> 01:23:16,295
or car allowance. Anything along that line. I said you

1055
01:23:16,295 --> 01:23:23,326
tried to. Councillor, I have the floor. I've never cropped

1056
01:23:23,347 --> 01:23:28,206
her on any picture. I've never disabled her card system

1057
01:23:28,307 --> 01:23:32,986
or anything along life. So those are false obligations. Her

1058
01:23:32,986 --> 01:23:38,286
litany of false allegations went on for some time there.

1059
01:23:38,286 --> 01:23:41,246
And they were kind of a litany of conspiracy theories.

1060
01:23:42,835 --> 01:23:46,494
We have to remind when we're talking about character. This

1061
01:23:46,534 --> 01:23:50,157
is a person who's now put her name in. To

1062
01:23:50,178 --> 01:23:53,277
be the leader of the city. And she has 23

1063
01:23:53,298 --> 01:23:56,968
breaches of the code of conduct. She has nine integrity

1064
01:23:56,989 --> 01:24:02,623
commissioners reports. She has seven pay strength sanctions. She now

1065
01:24:02,663 --> 01:24:07,023
has been found to contravene our work, our safe workplace.

1066
01:24:07,023 --> 01:24:13,404
She's found to harass staff. And after talking about that

1067
01:24:13,745 --> 01:24:22,004
and talking about correcting the course. After all those. Independent

1068
01:24:22,044 --> 01:24:27,764
reviews of status from our independent integrity commissioner, our independent

1069
01:24:27,785 --> 01:24:34,804
law firm, our independent harassment policy. After all that, she's

1070
01:24:35,065 --> 01:24:42,879
asked us questioning our character. Correcting the course. Um. I

1071
01:24:42,900 --> 01:24:47,591
think Councillor Robinson should look in the mirror. As she

1072
01:24:47,631 --> 01:24:51,431
talks about extortion and she talks about corruption and she

1073
01:24:51,471 --> 01:24:56,711
talks about tearing city hall down, that's not how we

1074
01:24:57,452 --> 01:25:01,031
heighten the level of debate during COVID policy and election

1075
01:25:01,071 --> 01:25:08,384
year. Her allegations, her demeanor, diminishes politics. It diminishes

1076
01:25:11,365 --> 01:25:14,864
our professional independent staff as well. And that's why she's

1077
01:25:15,125 --> 01:25:18,119
being sanctions once again tonight. Uh, so when she asked

1078
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:26,599
about character, I hope 118, 000 pickering eights or pictonians,

1079
01:25:26,599 --> 01:25:29,399
whatever we're calling them, has a chance to watch this

1080
01:25:29,420 --> 01:25:33,559
video and watch what she just said and watch that

1081
01:25:33,580 --> 01:25:37,639
she asked about character. I want people to do that.

1082
01:25:37,639 --> 01:25:40,999
Um, and, uh, I think the, the outcome will be

1083
01:25:40,999 --> 01:25:44,919
very clear. So with that, I'm going to, uh, support

1084
01:25:45,020 --> 01:25:50,919
the recommendation and ask her recorded vote. Uh, that three

1085
01:25:50,940 --> 01:25:54,279
minutes. So I'm going to stop that, reset and turn

1086
01:25:54,300 --> 01:25:59,102
it over to Councillor Cook. Thank you, Mayor Ash. Um,

1087
01:25:59,463 --> 01:26:02,402
just to speak to this motion and for transparency since

1088
01:26:02,402 --> 01:26:04,402
this has been a question of how we arrived at

1089
01:26:04,442 --> 01:26:08,962
having a motion, um, available and presented for this evening's

1090
01:26:08,962 --> 01:26:12,162
proceedings. Um, I am the one who followed the IC

1091
01:26:12,183 --> 01:26:16,672
complaint. This is personal to me on multiple levels. I

1092
01:26:16,853 --> 01:26:20,752
work with staff. I support our city staff. I believe

1093
01:26:20,853 --> 01:26:25,632
in following rules of parliamentary discourse following the rules of

1094
01:26:25,733 --> 01:26:29,072
conduct. Our minister. I know in a personal privilege, please,

1095
01:26:29,072 --> 01:26:32,672
Mr. Mayor. No, it's personal privilege, Mr. Mayor? Yes. In

1096
01:26:32,672 --> 01:26:34,672
a report itself, it says it's a report was filed

1097
01:26:34,773 --> 01:26:38,013
by the CAO. Okay. I think Councillor Cook is meaning

1098
01:26:38,434 --> 01:26:41,573
in regards to. And you had also mentioned on, I

1099
01:26:41,573 --> 01:26:43,973
think, um, in a newspaper that you were going to

1100
01:26:43,973 --> 01:26:47,613
be bringing this forward to the Integrity Commissioner as well.

1101
01:26:47,613 --> 01:26:48,973
So I just want to show like, you know, this

1102
01:26:49,013 --> 01:26:52,393
is not true of what's happening here. And, you know

1103
01:26:52,514 --> 01:26:57,133
Councillor, you've mentioned your Councillor, stop. You don't have to

1104
01:26:57,394 --> 01:27:02,123
work. You've understand that you've just given your pointer privilege

1105
01:27:02,464 --> 01:27:05,403
and you're pointed privileges you wanted to correct the record.

1106
01:27:05,403 --> 01:27:09,803
I think record Councillor Cook has indicated that she filed

1107
01:27:10,784 --> 01:27:17,083
a complaint about, I think, the denialism. And in regards

1108
01:27:17,123 --> 01:27:20,323
to the - And the findings on the denialism. So

1109
01:27:20,323 --> 01:27:22,283
she shouldn't be talking about things. You don't have the

1110
01:27:22,323 --> 01:27:25,323
floor. But you wouldn't let me talk about it. Councillor,

1111
01:27:25,323 --> 01:27:28,483
you don't have the floor. All complaints in 23, I

1112
01:27:28,483 --> 01:27:36,221
mean, 24, 25, 26. You don't have the floor. Councillor

1113
01:27:36,221 --> 01:27:39,408
Cook, you of the floor. Thank you. It is also

1114
01:27:40,069 --> 01:27:44,363
what's in the report. Oh my lord. Go ahead, please.

1115
01:27:44,624 --> 01:27:46,843
I'm just waiting to make sure she's done or if

1116
01:27:46,843 --> 01:27:49,243
she's going to continue to interrupt. I'd like my time

1117
01:27:49,344 --> 01:27:53,245
reset. This is going to persist. We respect your time

1118
01:27:53,346 --> 01:27:57,195
council Robinson. You should respect mine. It is a matter

1119
01:27:57,195 --> 01:27:59,835
of public record that I made a statement that I

1120
01:27:59,835 --> 01:28:03,035
would be filing this IC complaint. So it's very transparent

1121
01:28:03,376 --> 01:28:06,315
and that was, it's public for anyone else who wishes

1122
01:28:06,336 --> 01:28:08,795
to look it up. All right. Back to the point.

1123
01:28:08,795 --> 01:28:14,235
We have a responsibility as members of Council. Elected speech

1124
01:28:14,496 --> 01:28:18,566
follows rules. Parliamentary rules. There's an oath of office. There's

1125
01:28:18,566 --> 01:28:23,538
a code of conduct. I will agree with Councillor Robinson

1126
01:28:23,639 --> 01:28:27,609
and her statement that this has become circular. It has

1127
01:28:27,710 --> 01:28:31,289
become circular. There's a repeated pattern that has been on

1128
01:28:31,329 --> 01:28:35,849
display through the 23 breaches of code. This is our

1129
01:28:36,590 --> 01:28:40,649
ninth IC complaint. Um, and it just persists. The coat

1130
01:28:40,649 --> 01:28:47,085
of conduct rules and regulations. Continue to be ignored. Um,

1131
01:28:47,206 --> 01:28:49,425
one of the things that I think we have not

1132
01:28:49,446 --> 01:28:54,145
addressed that we should be addressing with these complaints is

1133
01:28:54,185 --> 01:28:57,505
how this affects our work in relationship with city staff

1134
01:28:57,686 --> 01:29:00,785
and the trauma that it inflicts on them. And their

1135
01:29:00,785 --> 01:29:06,225
personal, uh, home lives, their employment standards, uh, and I'm

1136
01:29:06,225 --> 01:29:08,705
not just speaking about the indigenous staff members that we

1137
01:29:08,806 --> 01:29:10,705
have at the city of Pickering, but I'm talking about

1138
01:29:11,206 --> 01:29:16,225
all staff who have had to endure repeated media scrutiny

1139
01:29:16,246 --> 01:29:19,625
through rebel news and the interviews that are conducted. We

1140
01:29:19,686 --> 01:29:23,345
do have to follow safe workplace rules. And as a

1141
01:29:23,345 --> 01:29:26,545
member of Council, all of us should be setting a

1142
01:29:26,545 --> 01:29:29,665
standard for what a safe environment looks like for the

1143
01:29:29,686 --> 01:29:32,225
rest of the residents of the city of Pickering. I

1144
01:29:32,246 --> 01:29:36,545
thank you, Mr. Abrams, for conducting your investigation. Uh, I

1145
01:29:36,566 --> 01:29:39,265
am hopeful that the rest of, uh, my fellow colleagues

1146
01:29:39,366 --> 01:29:43,265
on Council will support the motion before us this evening.

1147
01:29:43,265 --> 01:29:45,505
And thank you, Mayor Ash, for calling for a recorded

1148
01:29:45,545 --> 01:29:50,410
vote. Appreciate it. Thank you. That concludes the debate. Uh,

1149
01:29:50,771 --> 01:29:57,587
Ben Clerk, we call the role, please. Councillor Brenner. Yes.

1150
01:29:58,853 --> 01:30:07,877
Cancer Cook. Yes. Councillor Nige. Yes. Cancer Pickles. Yes. Mayor

1151
01:30:07,917 --> 01:30:13,168
Ashe? Yes. You worship. That's carried unanimously. Thank you. Um,

1152
01:30:14,329 --> 01:30:19,028
Mr. Abrams, thank you for your report. And, uh, your

1153
01:30:19,028 --> 01:30:22,928
service to our city over the last four years. Um,

1154
01:30:23,369 --> 01:30:28,548
you've served with, uh, integrity and distinction. And I appreciate

1155
01:30:29,209 --> 01:30:33,548
the professionalism of your firm, both Massatwood and yourself. So

1156
01:30:33,548 --> 01:30:35,632
thank you for being there here tonight. Thank you, Mr.

1157
01:30:35,653 --> 01:30:40,358
Mayor. Okay. The next item is 9. 2. It's a

1158
01:30:40,398 --> 01:30:44,598
request for municipal resolution supporting Expanded Deposit Return System in

1159
01:30:44,638 --> 01:30:54,385
Ontario. There's, there's no, uh, move or seconder. Sir, if

1160
01:30:54,385 --> 01:30:56,185
I may address that, I believe it was just moved

1161
01:30:56,185 --> 01:31:00,425
as correspondence. It was correspondence received, um, and it was

1162
01:31:00,606 --> 01:31:08,505
a, uh, request to receive for information. Well, no, the

1163
01:31:08,606 --> 01:31:14,745
recommendation talks to, uh, receive for information, but also advising

1164
01:31:15,086 --> 01:31:21,545
that we are supporting the request of the Canadian beverage

1165
01:31:21,585 --> 01:31:24,491
association. I don't have a mover of second or so.

1166
01:31:24,752 --> 01:31:27,051
I believe our clerk just came on to clarify that

1167
01:31:27,872 --> 01:31:31,851
Councillor. Okay. Ms. Castle. Thank you. Through you, your worship.

1168
01:31:31,851 --> 01:31:34,651
This is a matter of correspondence. So, uh, as we

1169
01:31:34,651 --> 01:31:37,211
ask members that are polling correspondence to provide us with

1170
01:31:37,232 --> 01:31:41,451
recommendations, this was the recommendation that was within the correspondence.

1171
01:31:41,451 --> 01:31:43,611
So it's now put here before Council, but it's not

1172
01:31:44,352 --> 01:31:46,171
a notice of motion, which is why we don't list

1173
01:31:46,211 --> 01:31:51,131
the mover in seconder already there. Okay. Um, I still

1174
01:31:51,171 --> 01:31:54,891
need a, we can do to be received or we

1175
01:31:54,891 --> 01:31:58,571
can, in essence, endorse the correspondence. So I do need

1176
01:31:58,752 --> 01:32:04,477
to move a mover in a second here. Uh, it's

1177
01:32:04,477 --> 01:32:07,197
second by Councillor Cook and second and sorry, move my

1178
01:32:07,298 --> 01:32:11,037
Councillor Cook and second because they're nagy. And you're moving

1179
01:32:11,037 --> 01:32:16,152
the recommendation as put in here. Yeah. Yes, sir. Okay.

1180
01:32:16,152 --> 01:32:22,700
Thank you. Debate. Councillor Cook. Uh, thank you, sir. Uh,

1181
01:32:22,700 --> 01:32:26,460
this was received by Council as part of our, uh,

1182
01:32:26,581 --> 01:32:31,600
communications package. We receive, um, with request we expanding deposit

1183
01:32:31,621 --> 01:32:37,680
return system, multiple provinces across Canada already operate a collection

1184
01:32:37,941 --> 01:32:40,240
system or a depot for lack of a better term

1185
01:32:41,301 --> 01:32:46,060
where any resident can return not just, um, common, uh,

1186
01:32:46,501 --> 01:32:49,360
bottles such as wine bottles or beer bottles. It's an

1187
01:32:49,381 --> 01:32:54,000
expanded process whereby beverage juice containers, um, items of that

1188
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:58,000
nature could also be expanded. Um, and since we have

1189
01:32:58,101 --> 01:33:03,680
seen a drop off, um, with, um, access to return

1190
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,040
your beverages, your adult beverages through the closure of certain

1191
01:33:07,141 --> 01:33:11,600
beer stores within our municipality, um, it's just an opportunity

1192
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:15,200
to look at and encourage our government to find another

1193
01:33:15,541 --> 01:33:20,640
mechanism to encourage increased recycling. Um, not necessarily within pickering,

1194
01:33:20,640 --> 01:33:24,160
but somewhere within our region so that we continue to,

1195
01:33:24,160 --> 01:33:27,680
uh, remove bottles cans tetra packs, things of that nature

1196
01:33:27,861 --> 01:33:31,180
from our landfill. And that's essentially what this is. And

1197
01:33:31,180 --> 01:33:33,920
this was brought to us, um, by the Canadian beverage

1198
01:33:34,341 --> 01:33:42,748
association. Thank you. You're welcome. To third debate. Uh, I

1199
01:33:43,169 --> 01:33:45,868
want to interbate. I do not support this. I just

1200
01:33:46,129 --> 01:33:50,748
Googled how much is a water at Costco in a

1201
01:33:50,748 --> 01:33:54,428
40 pack is four dollars in 50 cents. If this

1202
01:33:54,609 --> 01:33:57,228
passed, uh, that 40 pack would be eight dollars in

1203
01:33:57,268 --> 01:34:03,944
50 cents. I'm an enthusiastic recycler. I have three bins

1204
01:34:03,984 --> 01:34:07,944
every week. I've been very busy household and lots of

1205
01:34:07,965 --> 01:34:12,804
beverages of all kinds are consumed in my house. Um,

1206
01:34:14,205 --> 01:34:17,224
a case of water, a quesadit Coke, et cetera, et

1207
01:34:17,224 --> 01:34:20,664
cetera. So, uh, I don't support this from affordability point

1208
01:34:20,664 --> 01:34:23,064
of view. Um, I don't think we should be adding

1209
01:34:23,645 --> 01:34:26,504
two dollars in 40 cents to a case of Diet

1210
01:34:26,544 --> 01:34:28,664
Coke. I don't think we should be adding four dollars

1211
01:34:28,704 --> 01:34:32,904
to the case of a water. And I don't think,

1212
01:34:32,904 --> 01:34:36,024
uh, we should be adding a dollar 20 to a

1213
01:34:36,045 --> 01:34:38,744
12 pack of, uh, orange juice that the kids take

1214
01:34:38,925 --> 01:34:42,564
to school every day. Um, I do, I think, um,

1215
01:34:43,005 --> 01:34:46,744
there are some merit in terms of looking at other

1216
01:34:46,765 --> 01:34:50,584
options. Uh, I don't think, um, a penalty of money

1217
01:34:51,005 --> 01:34:53,224
is the proper way. So I'm going to ask for

1218
01:34:53,245 --> 01:34:56,584
a recorded vote and I'm opposed to this Councillor Robinson.

1219
01:34:58,098 --> 01:35:00,717
I agree with you. Bowser, don't tell me you're going

1220
01:35:00,717 --> 01:35:03,197
to agree with me. I disagree with you, Mr. Mayor.

1221
01:35:04,436 --> 01:35:06,455
You have the floor sir. Ma'am. Yeah. So no, I

1222
01:35:06,455 --> 01:35:08,955
do agree with you in this respect because, you know,

1223
01:35:09,316 --> 01:35:12,735
we as a city, we have to do better with

1224
01:35:12,775 --> 01:35:15,935
our recycling. As we know, we don't have enough recycling

1225
01:35:16,196 --> 01:35:19,295
trucks. As we know, um, the trucks that pick up

1226
01:35:19,716 --> 01:35:22,575
are recycling a lot in our parks in that they

1227
01:35:22,575 --> 01:35:26,255
do not divide the recycling. So, you know, we might

1228
01:35:26,295 --> 01:35:30,655
have different receptacles in the cancer parks, but we all

1229
01:35:30,695 --> 01:35:34,575
know in reality, all of that just gets thrown into

1230
01:35:34,916 --> 01:35:38,255
the back of the garbage disposal and it goes straight

1231
01:35:38,436 --> 01:35:42,415
to landfill and none of it is recycled. So I

1232
01:35:42,415 --> 01:35:46,175
don't, uh, believe it increasing prices, but I do believe

1233
01:35:46,356 --> 01:35:48,815
that we could do better as a city. And that's

1234
01:35:48,815 --> 01:35:51,855
what we need to try and do is actually recycle

1235
01:35:52,196 --> 01:35:54,255
because we can't get the people to recycle. If we're

1236
01:35:54,255 --> 01:36:00,724
not recycling properly ourselves in our own parks. And at

1237
01:36:00,724 --> 01:36:03,746
the rec centre. Thank you. That's it. Thank you. Councillor

1238
01:36:03,786 --> 01:36:13,006
Nagy. Sorry Frozen, Switch. Don't be there and I can

1239
01:36:13,006 --> 01:36:17,136
hit the mic. Um, I just want to flag that,

1240
01:36:17,136 --> 01:36:20,156
uh, to your comments about the cost going up. You

1241
01:36:20,156 --> 01:36:22,976
do get your deposit back so that two dollars and

1242
01:36:23,016 --> 01:36:25,136
40 cents comes back to you. Of course it doesn't

1243
01:36:25,637 --> 01:36:29,017
if you don't recycle it. But if you are an

1244
01:36:29,057 --> 01:36:32,617
avid recycler to your point, um, then you would get

1245
01:36:32,657 --> 01:36:34,937
your deposit back. And there are several provinces that already

1246
01:36:34,977 --> 01:36:39,257
do this, uh, New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, Alberta all for

1247
01:36:39,257 --> 01:36:43,497
sure. I'm fairly certain Quebec as well. Um, although don't

1248
01:36:43,537 --> 01:36:46,937
quote me on that one specifically, uh, but there are,

1249
01:36:46,977 --> 01:36:51,177
there are several provinces, uh, cross our, our great and

1250
01:36:51,217 --> 01:36:53,337
vast country, uh, that have demonstrated that this is a

1251
01:36:53,377 --> 01:36:57,497
very doable thing. And from an affordability standpoint, you don't

1252
01:36:57,678 --> 01:37:00,457
lose that affordability piece because that money does come back

1253
01:37:00,497 --> 01:37:04,490
to you. If, if you return your bottle. So plain

1254
01:37:04,530 --> 01:37:07,972
and simple, you get your bottle. Deposit similar as to

1255
01:37:07,972 --> 01:37:09,972
the beer store, right? You get your 10 cents back

1256
01:37:10,153 --> 01:37:15,092
if you give the can back. Um, so that is,

1257
01:37:15,092 --> 01:37:18,372
that is, that is there. And if I know that,

1258
01:37:18,372 --> 01:37:20,852
uh, one of the comments that could come back is,

1259
01:37:20,852 --> 01:37:24,414
you know, not everybody drives. That is okay. There are

1260
01:37:24,435 --> 01:37:27,454
opportunities. It's what we are asking here is to open

1261
01:37:27,555 --> 01:37:31,294
the conversation. And then we can explore those options because

1262
01:37:31,315 --> 01:37:33,914
yes, that, for example, is a valid one, somebody who

1263
01:37:33,914 --> 01:37:37,294
can't, who isn't mobile, but still wants to partake. Yes.

1264
01:37:37,555 --> 01:37:41,214
There are ways around it, but we can't explore those

1265
01:37:41,555 --> 01:37:43,374
if we don't open the conversation in the first place.

1266
01:37:45,635 --> 01:37:51,238
Thank you. Any further debate? Sorry. And, and that it

1267
01:37:51,238 --> 01:37:53,718
expands beyond bottles and cans again, the tetrax and everything.

1268
01:37:53,718 --> 01:37:56,918
So anything that gets recycled, you'll get your money back

1269
01:37:56,939 --> 01:38:00,429
for it. Thank you. Elsie. I don't, I don't, I

1270
01:38:00,469 --> 01:38:02,589
don't return my beer bottles. I assure is heck not

1271
01:38:02,589 --> 01:38:05,869
going to return my water bottles. So, um, and I

1272
01:38:05,869 --> 01:38:09,469
think the people like that. If there's no further debate,

1273
01:38:09,469 --> 01:38:11,629
I'm going to call the question. Madam Clerk, can we

1274
01:38:11,629 --> 01:38:20,347
do a role please. Councillor Brenner. No. Councillor Cook. Yes.

1275
01:38:20,951 --> 01:38:30,289
Councillor Nike. Yes. Cancer pickles. Yes. Councillor Robinson. No. Mayor

1276
01:38:30,289 --> 01:38:33,638
Ashe? No. You worship that's tied and the vote is

1277
01:38:33,739 --> 01:38:38,118
lost. Okay. Thank you. Um, moved by Councillor Pickles and

1278
01:38:38,118 --> 01:38:42,438
second by Councillor Brenner consent on the Executive Committee. I'll

1279
01:38:42,459 --> 01:38:47,888
let people identify any poll. For the Executive Committee, which

1280
01:38:47,888 --> 01:38:55,798
is 101. Through 10, eight. Any pulls.

1281
01:38:58,740 --> 01:39:02,067
Councillor Robinson. Um, I would like to just have a

1282
01:39:02,067 --> 01:39:08,467
little bit of conversation around 10, three. And also 10

1283
01:39:08,728 --> 01:39:12,169
four. Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So Brom Hall and then

1284
01:39:12,209 --> 01:39:17,793
the Council meeting schedule. Okay. Any other polls. Being none

1285
01:39:18,214 --> 01:39:22,948
on the remainder, all those in favor. Opposed. That item

1286
01:39:22,969 --> 01:39:27,348
is carried. Councillor Robinson, it's duly moved consecutive. Uh, and

1287
01:39:27,369 --> 01:39:31,108
you've pulled it for discussion or debate. Um, 10. 3

1288
01:39:31,369 --> 01:39:35,508
chief administrator officer Brom Holley's update. Councillor Robinski of the

1289
01:39:35,508 --> 01:39:39,219
floor. Yes. Thank you. Um, the last time we discussed

1290
01:39:39,259 --> 01:39:43,299
this, I believe, um, Councillor button myself. We were not

1291
01:39:43,640 --> 01:39:46,059
in favor of moving forward with this. So I do

1292
01:39:46,059 --> 01:39:48,819
have a couple of questions. The first one was is

1293
01:39:48,859 --> 01:39:52,659
that staff stated that transport Canada committed to a seamless

1294
01:39:52,840 --> 01:40:00,319
transition. Is that commitment in writing. And then can I

1295
01:40:00,359 --> 01:40:04,279
actually ask what does that look like? What kind of

1296
01:40:04,340 --> 01:40:08,557
a commitment are we looking at. Ms. Carpino. You've been,

1297
01:40:08,557 --> 01:40:13,812
uh, the front person on this. Certainly. The commitment is

1298
01:40:14,153 --> 01:40:16,492
not in writing in the form of an agreement. It

1299
01:40:16,492 --> 01:40:20,852
was communicated verbally. It was also communicated in a meeting

1300
01:40:20,892 --> 01:40:25,812
that, uh, also included Brome Recreation Society representatives as well

1301
01:40:25,812 --> 01:40:29,812
as Landover Landing Representatives. And the exact term by used

1302
01:40:29,833 --> 01:40:34,532
by transport Canada staff was seamless transition. They would essentially

1303
01:40:34,633 --> 01:40:37,172
be the point of contact for anyone that wanted to

1304
01:40:37,172 --> 01:40:40,532
use the facility. And they would issue what's considered what

1305
01:40:40,532 --> 01:40:45,562
they call a daily lease. And so how that's coordinated

1306
01:40:46,063 --> 01:40:48,842
and the discussions that would take place thereafter would retune

1307
01:40:48,842 --> 01:40:52,042
the individual that wants to use it and transport Canada.

1308
01:40:52,063 --> 01:40:56,042
But they said the end user should experience no difference

1309
01:40:56,082 --> 01:40:58,522
in terms of how they use the facility. Those are

1310
01:40:58,863 --> 01:41:02,839
their words. Okay. So, but we don't have any like

1311
01:41:03,100 --> 01:41:06,959
legally binding agreement guaranteeing that Brom Hall is going to

1312
01:41:07,020 --> 01:41:10,279
remain open and be available to the public after the

1313
01:41:10,319 --> 01:41:15,139
city terminates this lease. Cause the only limit that we

1314
01:41:15,139 --> 01:41:17,699
currently have in place is a month by month lease

1315
01:41:17,800 --> 01:41:20,434
for the use of that property. So that would be

1316
01:41:20,535 --> 01:41:25,497
terminated and then transport Canada would take over. Any coordination

1317
01:41:25,918 --> 01:41:28,057
that involves the use of that property. The city would

1318
01:41:28,078 --> 01:41:32,846
no longer be involved. Okay. So then since we don't

1319
01:41:32,846 --> 01:41:38,606
have any, um, finding agreements or guarantees, is it possible

1320
01:41:39,267 --> 01:41:43,246
that after the city terminates this lease, transport Canada could

1321
01:41:43,267 --> 01:41:45,326
simply come in and say, no, we're going to close

1322
01:41:45,326 --> 01:41:47,486
the building to the public and close doors on us

1323
01:41:47,507 --> 01:41:50,126
on the people. It's their building. They can do what

1324
01:41:50,126 --> 01:41:51,886
they want. So they can do whatever they want, right?

1325
01:41:52,467 --> 01:41:53,966
That's what I thought. I just want to make sure.

1326
01:41:55,611 --> 01:41:59,990
Has the city ever formally requested the transport Canada contribute

1327
01:42:00,091 --> 01:42:04,555
financially. Towards any of the repairs or the capital improvements

1328
01:42:04,896 --> 01:42:11,635
for Bromhaul? As Carpino. So the negotiations included are concerns

1329
01:42:11,816 --> 01:42:15,274
regarding various clauses in the agreement. One of them is

1330
01:42:15,274 --> 01:42:19,434
that the tenant agrees that the tenant shall be responsible

1331
01:42:19,935 --> 01:42:24,154
for all maintenance and repairs of any kind whatsoever, including

1332
01:42:24,575 --> 01:42:27,914
structural and roof maintenance and repairs. That of course was

1333
01:42:27,954 --> 01:42:31,914
very concerning to the city. Uh, the facility is an

1334
01:42:31,914 --> 01:42:35,194
older building. We'll have increasing needs as it continues to

1335
01:42:35,215 --> 01:42:37,714
age. And it is not facility that we own. So

1336
01:42:37,775 --> 01:42:40,954
those were the discussions and they were not prepared to

1337
01:42:41,535 --> 01:42:44,874
materially change that clause. That would have them more responsible

1338
01:42:45,215 --> 01:42:48,454
for those repairs. Now, have they made repairs in the

1339
01:42:48,454 --> 01:42:51,514
past? Yes. Over the last few years, they have made

1340
01:42:51,554 --> 01:42:53,834
a repair to the roof, but they weren't under any

1341
01:42:53,855 --> 01:42:57,354
obligation to do that. And so the Element of risk

1342
01:42:57,455 --> 01:43:02,822
still existed. Right. Have we gone to them though, those

1343
01:43:02,822 --> 01:43:05,062
since that roof repair? Have we gone to them asking

1344
01:43:05,243 --> 01:43:09,062
for any monies to help with the Upkeep of Brom

1345
01:43:09,083 --> 01:43:14,659
Hall. Uh, perhaps Vince Plok could speak to it. However,

1346
01:43:15,000 --> 01:43:17,619
there are repairs that were made over the last two

1347
01:43:17,659 --> 01:43:20,499
years, year and a half by the city in excess

1348
01:43:20,499 --> 01:43:25,379
of 60, 000 dollars. And so, uh, those were the

1349
01:43:25,419 --> 01:43:27,539
repairs that we made to make sure that their facility

1350
01:43:27,579 --> 01:43:32,339
was in sufficient condition in order to be returned potentially

1351
01:43:32,360 --> 01:43:35,379
to transport Canada. I'm not sure, Vince, if you've got

1352
01:43:35,419 --> 01:43:38,499
any more information regarding individual dealings, you may have had

1353
01:43:38,840 --> 01:43:43,578
with transport Canada regarding specific repairs. Uh, we've spoken to

1354
01:43:44,319 --> 01:43:46,138
transport Canada a number of times over the years on

1355
01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:50,298
a number of different issues, uh, including the possibility of,

1356
01:43:50,298 --> 01:43:54,778
uh, exploring potentially moving the facility at some point and

1357
01:43:54,778 --> 01:43:58,858
any contributions that they could make towards, uh, those ends.

1358
01:43:58,858 --> 01:44:01,178
And the only contribution that transport Canada was able to

1359
01:44:01,279 --> 01:44:05,338
offer was the potential for covering, uh, the demolition costs

1360
01:44:05,378 --> 01:44:09,418
that might be otherwise, uh, assigned to that facility. It

1361
01:44:09,418 --> 01:44:11,578
was quite limited in funding. Uh, so while we have

1362
01:44:11,999 --> 01:44:15,098
explored over the years, that option, uh, transport candida simply

1363
01:44:15,098 --> 01:44:18,378
has no capital funds to commit to the facility at

1364
01:44:18,378 --> 01:44:21,256
this time that they have made us aware of. Okay.

1365
01:44:21,357 --> 01:44:23,456
Ben. So my question was actually for the, I think

1366
01:44:23,456 --> 01:44:27,096
it was, um, Ms. Carpino said it's approximately 60, 000

1367
01:44:27,117 --> 01:44:31,336
dollars in repairs did we go to transport Canada and

1368
01:44:31,376 --> 01:44:33,416
ask them to help fund that. Or did we just

1369
01:44:33,416 --> 01:44:37,364
go ahead and do the repairs. Ourselves. No, we were

1370
01:44:37,465 --> 01:44:42,224
exploring with transport Canada our obligations under the lease, uh,

1371
01:44:42,505 --> 01:44:45,444
and those were agreed upon partly through the city zone

1372
01:44:45,705 --> 01:44:49,764
investigations verified independently by transport Canada as to their own

1373
01:44:49,945 --> 01:44:52,084
estimate of what the costs were. We both agreed on

1374
01:44:52,084 --> 01:44:55,124
what those were. And the city under its existing lease

1375
01:44:55,225 --> 01:44:58,084
did comply and make those repair at its own cost.

1376
01:44:58,505 --> 01:45:01,204
Okay. So we didn't go outside of the lease and

1377
01:45:01,204 --> 01:45:03,764
say, Hey, I know we have a lease, but you

1378
01:45:03,764 --> 01:45:06,004
know what we really could use some help with the

1379
01:45:06,044 --> 01:45:07,924
funds. Is there a way that you can help us?

1380
01:45:07,924 --> 01:45:11,834
So that didn't take place. And the current circumstances? No,

1381
01:45:11,834 --> 01:45:14,531
but it had in the past. Right. Okay. And you

1382
01:45:14,571 --> 01:45:21,411
just mentioned that they would support funding if we were,

1383
01:45:21,411 --> 01:45:23,491
if there was going to be demolition. Can we talk

1384
01:45:23,491 --> 01:45:25,891
a little bit about that or have we thought about

1385
01:45:27,112 --> 01:45:30,831
demolition on Bromhault? A short version is no councillor. Um,

1386
01:45:30,872 --> 01:45:33,331
it was strictly put forward as that would be the

1387
01:45:33,512 --> 01:45:36,851
equivalent value of all that they could offer the city

1388
01:45:36,891 --> 01:45:40,131
at the time. And this was many, many years ago.

1389
01:45:40,131 --> 01:45:43,331
Um, there has been no discussion about the demolition of

1390
01:45:43,592 --> 01:45:49,594
Brom Hall, especially given its value to the community. Okay.

1391
01:45:49,695 --> 01:45:53,114
And I think, um, my final question, I hope so

1392
01:45:53,114 --> 01:45:59,372
my final question depending on your answer. Is. Is it

1393
01:45:59,553 --> 01:46:04,972
possible for us to not terminate the lease, stay with

1394
01:46:04,993 --> 01:46:06,972
our lease, but see if maybe we can get further

1395
01:46:07,313 --> 01:46:11,692
commitments from transport Canada regarding the future of Brom Hall,

1396
01:46:11,692 --> 01:46:13,352
see if they want to go in like a, um,

1397
01:46:14,033 --> 01:46:16,892
a partnership, let's say with us to help with any

1398
01:46:17,153 --> 01:46:21,192
repairs moving forward just to make sure that, you know,

1399
01:46:21,192 --> 01:46:24,732
they don't go in and just demolish the building or

1400
01:46:24,732 --> 01:46:27,532
they don't allow, you know, them to hold the functions

1401
01:46:27,553 --> 01:46:32,511
that they, all these different community groups hold there. That's

1402
01:46:32,532 --> 01:46:37,151
Corona. That has been the entire exercise you've undertaken for

1403
01:46:37,151 --> 01:46:39,856
two years. Those are the discussions we've had. What ways

1404
01:46:39,896 --> 01:46:43,356
can we work together? Where can you financially contribute? How

1405
01:46:43,356 --> 01:46:45,056
can we adjust the terms of the agreement that make

1406
01:46:45,096 --> 01:46:48,736
it more equitable in terms of responsibility? All those discussions

1407
01:46:48,837 --> 01:46:54,119
took place. Uh, can transport Canada, you know, assure the

1408
01:46:54,140 --> 01:46:57,319
city and the resins that enjoy the facility, that it'll

1409
01:46:57,319 --> 01:47:00,839
be continued to be accessible for community use. Obviously the

1410
01:47:00,839 --> 01:47:04,359
city has every interest to keep that facility in good

1411
01:47:04,359 --> 01:47:07,159
repair and beloved and used by the community. There is

1412
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:09,559
no interest by the city to have it demolished and

1413
01:47:09,599 --> 01:47:13,159
transport Canada. Of course, they'll make decisions on their terms,

1414
01:47:13,159 --> 01:47:15,639
but there was no indication by the individual that we've

1415
01:47:15,639 --> 01:47:17,719
been working with that they would not make it available

1416
01:47:17,740 --> 01:47:19,879
to the facility or that they would be seeking to

1417
01:47:19,980 --> 01:47:26,982
demolish it. Yeah. It just seems literally odd though that,

1418
01:47:26,982 --> 01:47:29,462
you know, they wouldn't want to do a partnership and

1419
01:47:29,462 --> 01:47:32,371
share in the cost. But now they're going to end

1420
01:47:32,371 --> 01:47:35,331
up having the burden of paying all of the costs.

1421
01:47:36,535 --> 01:47:38,514
You know, I would think that they would rather take

1422
01:47:38,554 --> 01:47:42,594
the partnership than, than have the full burden of the

1423
01:47:42,695 --> 01:47:45,554
cause. And of course without us having an agreement saying,

1424
01:47:45,554 --> 01:47:47,634
you know what, we promise we're going to leave this

1425
01:47:47,815 --> 01:47:51,659
open. To, to the public, um, that's very concerning to

1426
01:47:51,659 --> 01:47:55,099
me. So those are my questions, Mr. Mayor. Okay. Thank

1427
01:47:55,099 --> 01:48:01,217
you. Um, debate on the recommendations moved in seconded. Councillor

1428
01:48:01,257 --> 01:48:04,805
Cook. Um, thank you, sir. Could I call for a

1429
01:48:04,805 --> 01:48:13,885
recorded vote, please? Absolutely. Thank you. Any further debate. Okay.

1430
01:48:14,306 --> 01:48:18,137
Wait a second. Councillor Cook, you wanted to debate. Um,

1431
01:48:18,158 --> 01:48:22,654
I actually just wanted to ask one question. Yep. Um,

1432
01:48:22,675 --> 01:48:25,774
I just wanted to make sure that I understood the

1433
01:48:25,875 --> 01:48:29,854
financial applications piece of what's being suggested. So the current

1434
01:48:30,275 --> 01:48:33,774
deferred maintenance cost, I'm directing this back to staff or

1435
01:48:33,795 --> 01:48:37,294
missed Carpino. It's approximately, let's just call it 800, 000

1436
01:48:37,315 --> 01:48:40,414
dollars. So what we are looking at is a financial

1437
01:48:40,515 --> 01:48:45,910
risk. To the city of approximately 100, 000 dollars. If

1438
01:48:45,910 --> 01:48:49,150
we do not terminate our existing lease with transport Canada.

1439
01:48:49,150 --> 01:48:52,246
Is that correct? That's the risk. That's correct. So we

1440
01:48:52,267 --> 01:48:56,886
would have to find an additional 800, 000 dollars in

1441
01:48:56,987 --> 01:49:01,566
order to preserve this building within our current leasehold. So

1442
01:49:01,566 --> 01:49:06,743
the recommendation is to release ourselves from this lease. It

1443
01:49:06,783 --> 01:49:08,503
says is the condition of the facility and the repairs

1444
01:49:08,543 --> 01:49:10,883
that would be necessary, not just on one day, but

1445
01:49:10,924 --> 01:49:14,103
over the next several years. Right. Understood. Okay. Thank you

1446
01:49:14,143 --> 01:49:23,910
for that. Appreciate it. Councillor Robinson debate. Councillor

1447
01:49:23,950 --> 01:49:26,390
Pickles had his hand up first, Mr. Murray. I recognise

1448
01:49:26,430 --> 01:49:32,044
you, you have this four. Okay. Um, regarding that. You

1449
01:49:32,044 --> 01:49:35,884
know, I understand that this is financial, um, but again,

1450
01:49:36,705 --> 01:49:40,684
you know, we haven't looked at other options yet. Now,

1451
01:49:40,684 --> 01:49:43,484
we haven't seen if we can get a partnership with

1452
01:49:43,484 --> 01:49:46,684
transport Canada, because obviously now they're going to have to

1453
01:49:46,705 --> 01:49:48,684
fill the whole bill. Right. And if we say, you

1454
01:49:48,684 --> 01:49:52,764
know, Hey, you know what, we're willing to be partnerships.

1455
01:49:52,764 --> 01:49:55,964
Also, you know, have we, if I might stop you

1456
01:49:55,964 --> 01:50:00,684
there, I don't want to be argumentative, but a miscarino

1457
01:50:01,265 --> 01:50:05,244
said the exact opposite that she's been working, um, forcings

1458
01:50:05,244 --> 01:50:10,524
for two years now. And without success. So I'm taking

1459
01:50:10,785 --> 01:50:15,564
your comments in The Good Nature, they're intended, but I

1460
01:50:15,564 --> 01:50:18,684
don't think they actually reflect what Miss Carpino said. So,

1461
01:50:18,724 --> 01:50:20,604
no, no, I understand that she said that she's been

1462
01:50:20,644 --> 01:50:22,924
working for years, but now it's down to the nitty

1463
01:50:22,924 --> 01:50:26,204
gritty and we are about determinate our lease. Can we

1464
01:50:26,244 --> 01:50:29,644
not have another conversation with them and say, Hey, we're

1465
01:50:29,644 --> 01:50:32,524
going to terminate our leash. And like, you know, wouldn't

1466
01:50:32,564 --> 01:50:35,244
you rather have a partnership with us instead of like,

1467
01:50:35,244 --> 01:50:37,324
you know, taking the full bill by yourself. We also

1468
01:50:37,345 --> 01:50:41,164
don't have an agreement. We've got nothing legally binding whatsoever.

1469
01:50:41,863 --> 01:50:45,122
We could pass this tonight. And then tomorrow, you know,

1470
01:50:45,122 --> 01:50:47,842
at Bromhaul, which cease to exist and they'll be locking

1471
01:50:47,842 --> 01:50:50,642
the doors. I mean, we have no control over that.

1472
01:50:50,642 --> 01:50:52,482
And I mean, I think that's something that we do

1473
01:50:52,503 --> 01:50:56,642
need to make sure does not happen. Also, you know,

1474
01:50:56,642 --> 01:51:00,882
Councillor Cook just mentioned about the money. You know, have

1475
01:51:00,882 --> 01:51:05,262
we looked at the possibility of possibly naming rights? You

1476
01:51:05,262 --> 01:51:07,042
know, we have naming rights on a couple of our

1477
01:51:07,063 --> 01:51:10,402
buildings now. Have we asked any of like, you know,

1478
01:51:10,743 --> 01:51:13,202
our friends of the community, if they would like to

1479
01:51:13,242 --> 01:51:17,362
have their name on Brom Hall to help supplement those,

1480
01:51:17,362 --> 01:51:21,442
um, the, the costs that's going there. I think that,

1481
01:51:21,442 --> 01:51:25,842
you know, if we could possibly defer this motion and

1482
01:51:25,842 --> 01:51:29,762
I'm going to ask for a deferral motion, um, so

1483
01:51:29,762 --> 01:51:33,122
we can maybe have some of those other conversations go

1484
01:51:33,122 --> 01:51:36,722
back to transport Canada and say, Hey, look, we want

1485
01:51:36,722 --> 01:51:39,860
to do a partnership. And so, and let them know,

1486
01:51:39,860 --> 01:51:40,820
like, you know, you're going to be doing the whole

1487
01:51:40,921 --> 01:51:43,380
bill if we don't do a partnership. And like, let's

1488
01:51:43,401 --> 01:51:46,500
reach out to some of our community friends and ask

1489
01:51:46,540 --> 01:51:48,580
them if they would like to put, have naming rights

1490
01:51:48,620 --> 01:51:53,220
for Brom Hall. I mean, there's investigated yet. So I

1491
01:51:53,220 --> 01:51:55,140
would like to see if we can have a deferral

1492
01:51:55,241 --> 01:51:59,140
motion and defer this until we get some of those,

1493
01:51:59,140 --> 01:52:02,020
either we get written confirmation from transport Canada that they

1494
01:52:02,020 --> 01:52:04,740
are not going to close the doors or demolish a

1495
01:52:04,740 --> 01:52:09,700
building. And till we can have like, maybe just until,

1496
01:52:09,700 --> 01:52:14,820
um, the next meeting, you're debating your deferral without properly

1497
01:52:15,241 --> 01:52:20,020
secondary. So Councillor Robinson has moved a deferral, uh, for

1498
01:52:20,020 --> 01:52:23,780
consideration until there's further conversations. Is there a second or

1499
01:52:23,780 --> 01:52:28,825
for that. No secondary. So, um, Councillor, you have two

1500
01:52:28,865 --> 01:52:32,847
and a half minutes left in your debate. Okay. Um,

1501
01:52:33,108 --> 01:52:39,301
well. I appreciate the financial concerns outlined in the report

1502
01:52:39,642 --> 01:52:42,341
in the city does not own Bromhaul. We know that.

1503
01:52:42,341 --> 01:52:44,581
And there are significant repair costs associated with the building.

1504
01:52:45,887 --> 01:52:49,546
However, my concern is not simply about cost. My concern

1505
01:52:49,567 --> 01:52:53,466
is about, you know, we're about determinate these agreements without

1506
01:52:53,487 --> 01:52:57,568
any kind of written guarantee. Or with regard to what

1507
01:52:57,669 --> 01:53:00,368
happens next. How's everyone going to feel if tomorrow they

1508
01:53:00,408 --> 01:53:02,768
go there and the doors are closed and the community

1509
01:53:02,789 --> 01:53:05,568
has nowhere to go, you know, I just brought up

1510
01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:09,808
suggestions of deferral naming rights and not any of you

1511
01:53:10,309 --> 01:53:14,928
are even willing to, to second that, um, Brom Hall

1512
01:53:14,968 --> 01:53:17,728
is more than just a building to the people. It's

1513
01:53:17,728 --> 01:53:21,568
like one of Pickerings oldest surviving Civic buildings. And it's

1514
01:53:21,568 --> 01:53:24,843
important part of the community's history. And before we walk

1515
01:53:24,843 --> 01:53:28,443
away from this community asset, I think Council deserves answers

1516
01:53:28,624 --> 01:53:33,619
and residents deserve certainty on the future of Bromhault. I'm

1517
01:53:33,659 --> 01:53:37,459
not comfortable terminating these agreements based solely on verbal assurances

1518
01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:40,339
from transport Canada. And I believe that we should first

1519
01:53:40,339 --> 01:53:43,759
obtain written confirmation from them regarding the future of the

1520
01:53:43,759 --> 01:53:48,464
building. Continued public access. And whether there is an opportunity

1521
01:53:48,485 --> 01:53:52,544
to preserve this facility through a partnership or post sharing

1522
01:53:52,544 --> 01:53:57,624
agreement or with naming rights with our community friends. So.

1523
01:53:59,320 --> 01:54:01,459
I will not be in favor of this. And we

1524
01:54:01,459 --> 01:54:05,059
are having a recorded vote. Yeah. Yes, Councillor. Thank you.

1525
01:54:05,080 --> 01:54:12,742
Thank you. Councillor Pickles. You have the four. Thank you,

1526
01:54:12,782 --> 01:54:17,142
Mr. Mayor. I haven't generated a prepared speech. But if

1527
01:54:17,163 --> 01:54:19,862
I could go back to, uh, to Marissa or to

1528
01:54:19,883 --> 01:54:24,502
Vince, how many years have we been talking with the

1529
01:54:24,683 --> 01:54:29,362
federal government? Cause I certainly recall it's been years. And

1530
01:54:29,403 --> 01:54:32,582
the other day we had a meeting with our MP

1531
01:54:32,603 --> 01:54:38,262
present Councillor Butt. All the federal agencies Brom representatives present

1532
01:54:38,283 --> 01:54:41,622
and we had a thorough discussion. So how long have

1533
01:54:41,803 --> 01:54:45,542
these discussions been going on for how many years have

1534
01:54:45,542 --> 01:54:49,983
we been talking about this. Lease of this building. I

1535
01:54:49,983 --> 01:54:53,103
would say approximately two years, this discussion has been an

1536
01:54:53,143 --> 01:54:57,583
ongoing. Okay. And you've looked at a lot of options,

1537
01:54:57,583 --> 01:54:59,903
a lot of concerns, a lot of opportunities. We've looked

1538
01:54:59,903 --> 01:55:05,423
at it from various angles, correct. That is correct. Um,

1539
01:55:05,444 --> 01:55:08,063
I don't know if you or Vince can answer this.

1540
01:55:08,063 --> 01:55:13,663
Um. Generally how many days out of the year is

1541
01:55:13,663 --> 01:55:20,361
this facility. Rented. Rant it out to another part. Didn't

1542
01:55:20,382 --> 01:55:25,775
they report. And so it ranges from as few as

1543
01:55:26,516 --> 01:55:31,614
12 to as many as, let's see here, 28. And

1544
01:55:32,675 --> 01:55:35,134
our paid uses. Some are unpaid uses and they generally

1545
01:55:35,155 --> 01:55:41,054
revolve around meeting rentals, private celebrations and on rare occasion,

1546
01:55:41,054 --> 01:55:46,802
a movie production. So 12 to 28 days out of

1547
01:55:46,842 --> 01:55:52,497
a 365 day year. Right. How much revenue would we

1548
01:55:52,537 --> 01:55:55,297
have generated out of those rentals? Although you said some

1549
01:55:55,297 --> 01:56:00,187
of the rentals were. No fee. It's also reflected in

1550
01:56:00,187 --> 01:56:05,187
the report. The revenue per year ranges from, this is

1551
01:56:05,248 --> 01:56:14,347
gross revenue from 2, 200 dollars. And that revenue is

1552
01:56:14,608 --> 01:56:18,427
collected by and retain by the Broom Recreation Society. It

1553
01:56:18,448 --> 01:56:22,246
doesn't come to the city. So two to four thousand

1554
01:56:22,286 --> 01:56:27,392
dollars. Per year. Vince, can you run me how much

1555
01:56:27,392 --> 01:56:31,952
we spent on capital, uh, improvements recently? I thought you

1556
01:56:31,992 --> 01:56:36,609
said 60, 000. On recent repairs. Yes. Approximately 60, 000

1557
01:56:36,649 --> 01:56:42,295
dollars. And Councillor Cook was correct in deferred capital works

1558
01:56:42,316 --> 01:56:47,201
of about 800, 000 dollars. That's correct. The facility condition

1559
01:56:47,382 --> 01:56:50,721
index noted in the report is 93 percent. That's basically

1560
01:56:50,822 --> 01:56:56,321
taking the, um, estimated, uh, five year period capital repair

1561
01:56:56,361 --> 01:56:59,721
cost over the replacement cost of the entire building. In

1562
01:56:59,721 --> 01:57:03,281
other words, it's 93 percent of 800, 000 dollars is

1563
01:57:03,281 --> 01:57:05,921
what we estimate we would need to invest in this

1564
01:57:05,921 --> 01:57:08,401
building over five years to keep it in a current

1565
01:57:08,422 --> 01:57:13,124
state of good repair. So, so the lease. That we're

1566
01:57:13,164 --> 01:57:18,324
working under has us responsible for all capital improvements to

1567
01:57:18,324 --> 01:57:23,740
the building. Whereas the landlord being the federal government, uh,

1568
01:57:23,941 --> 01:57:29,390
is not responsible for those capital costs. We're responsible. That

1569
01:57:29,430 --> 01:57:31,790
is correct. And if we were to make that investment,

1570
01:57:31,790 --> 01:57:35,310
we would be making that 800, 000 dollar investment in

1571
01:57:35,310 --> 01:57:37,390
an asset owned by another party, not by the city.

1572
01:57:40,315 --> 01:57:45,377
So we would be doing the lease. As the ones

1573
01:57:45,398 --> 01:57:48,897
leasing the building, we have beyond the hook. We've already

1574
01:57:48,937 --> 01:57:52,417
paid 60, 000 beyond the hook for 800, 000 dollars

1575
01:57:52,758 --> 01:57:56,261
of capital projects. To a building that we don't own

1576
01:57:56,602 --> 01:58:00,421
that is owned by the federal government. So, uh, Vince

1577
01:58:00,522 --> 01:58:03,141
and Marissa, you are in the same meeting I was.

1578
01:58:03,141 --> 01:58:05,521
I think Laura was also there too Laura Gibbs, our

1579
01:58:05,521 --> 01:58:08,821
MP. Was there a Councillor But was there? The various

1580
01:58:08,842 --> 01:58:12,559
federal agencies are there. I came out of there with

1581
01:58:13,060 --> 01:58:16,239
what I feel is a pretty clear direction that their

1582
01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:20,959
intention was if we, um, ended our lease that they

1583
01:58:20,999 --> 01:58:27,039
would continue to lease the facility to the Brom recreation

1584
01:58:27,079 --> 01:58:31,948
group. Or anyone else came along and that they would

1585
01:58:31,988 --> 01:58:34,188
keep the doors open and then they would do the

1586
01:58:34,188 --> 01:58:37,431
necessary work. Is that the sense you had walking out

1587
01:58:37,471 --> 01:58:44,402
of that meeting. Yes, very clearly. Okay. Thank you. Thank

1588
01:58:44,442 --> 01:58:49,480
you, Mr. Mayor. Councillor. You have the floor. Thank you

1589
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:54,440
very much, Mr. Mayor. Three you to staff. The discussion

1590
01:58:54,480 --> 01:58:57,560
regarding naming rights. Am I correct that we would not

1591
01:58:57,581 --> 01:59:00,920
have any authority to do naming rights over a building

1592
01:59:00,960 --> 01:59:04,856
that doesn't belong to us as a tenant. That would

1593
01:59:04,856 --> 01:59:09,123
be my understanding. Correct. I would, I would, I would

1594
01:59:09,123 --> 01:59:13,923
not be recommending or suggesting to transport Canada that we

1595
01:59:14,024 --> 01:59:16,563
pursue as a city and naming rights per federal building.

1596
01:59:17,843 --> 01:59:21,502
Thank you. That was my first question. Um, a second

1597
01:59:21,523 --> 01:59:27,182
question. I recall after, I guess it was after COVID,

1598
01:59:27,182 --> 01:59:31,502
um, COVID - 19, um, the building was closed and

1599
01:59:31,523 --> 01:59:34,542
there was some question about not even reopening it because

1600
01:59:34,643 --> 01:59:37,102
of safety issues. And I thought it had to do

1601
01:59:37,283 --> 01:59:42,542
with, um, uh, I'm trying to remember, um, but there

1602
01:59:42,542 --> 01:59:46,302
were safety issues. Air quality. Air quality and asbestos as

1603
01:59:46,302 --> 01:59:50,977
well. That's correct. So the facility closed due to provincial

1604
01:59:51,017 --> 01:59:56,097
regulations in 2020, surrounding the COVID and the different mitigating

1605
01:59:56,137 --> 01:59:58,897
measures that were introduced by the province at that time.

1606
01:59:58,897 --> 02:00:01,937
And then in 2023, we're exiting out of COVID and

1607
02:00:01,977 --> 02:00:05,147
facilities are reopening. Uh, there is an air quality test

1608
02:00:05,328 --> 02:00:09,227
that we had to address and mitigate. And Vincent's team

1609
02:00:10,048 --> 02:00:14,427
were responsible to take care of, uh, returning the facility.

1610
02:00:15,198 --> 02:00:16,457
Uh, so that it could be open to the public

1611
02:00:16,718 --> 02:00:19,897
safely. And that work was undertaken. That allowed the facility

1612
02:00:19,897 --> 02:00:24,137
to be open to the public in spring of 2025.

1613
02:00:24,137 --> 02:00:26,137
And as I understand it and it's been reflected in

1614
02:00:26,137 --> 02:00:28,777
the report since spring of 2025 when it's been open

1615
02:00:28,817 --> 02:00:32,217
to the public, uh, through the support of the bro

1616
02:00:32,257 --> 02:00:38,718
migration society, it's been used once. Thank you. Um, this

1617
02:00:38,899 --> 02:00:41,438
perhaps maybe Vince, uh, you might be able to answer

1618
02:00:41,779 --> 02:00:44,318
it, um, it was just up there for a community

1619
02:00:44,499 --> 02:00:49,038
meeting, uh, land over landings hosted just about a week

1620
02:00:49,038 --> 02:00:53,678
or so, uh, back. Um, there is a cross beam

1621
02:00:53,678 --> 02:00:56,478
that has been that has been erected from wall to

1622
02:00:56,478 --> 02:01:00,718
wall. Is that a support beam that we put in

1623
02:01:01,219 --> 02:01:03,038
or is that a beam that was put in for

1624
02:01:03,038 --> 02:01:08,013
another purpose. Uh, it predates my time councillor, uh, but

1625
02:01:08,194 --> 02:01:11,593
I suppose that could be functioning for two purposes. The

1626
02:01:11,634 --> 02:01:14,093
first is that there is a stage, uh, at the

1627
02:01:14,093 --> 02:01:16,973
community centre. And I know that some of the volunteer

1628
02:01:17,013 --> 02:01:20,333
groups from the museum used to perform at that location.

1629
02:01:20,333 --> 02:01:23,133
So that brace may be there in part to provide

1630
02:01:23,154 --> 02:01:28,333
some lighting support. Structurally, uh, it may be just providing

1631
02:01:28,834 --> 02:01:33,213
a lot tie with tall masonry buildings of this nature.

1632
02:01:33,213 --> 02:01:35,533
It's not unusual to see that you see the upper

1633
02:01:35,573 --> 02:01:39,773
wall starting to display over time. Uh, I'm not particularly

1634
02:01:39,954 --> 02:01:42,253
aware of its unique nature, but it could be either

1635
02:01:42,434 --> 02:01:46,500
one or both of those. Thank you. Um, subsequent question,

1636
02:01:46,500 --> 02:01:52,020
if I might, Mr. Mayor threw you. Bromhaul being a

1637
02:01:52,441 --> 02:01:56,100
historical building as such as one of the first Civic

1638
02:01:56,140 --> 02:01:59,780
buildings, uh, meetings were held. And, um, is that a

1639
02:02:00,681 --> 02:02:06,580
federal designation or is it a municipal designation? And if

1640
02:02:07,401 --> 02:02:11,380
it's either or both, um, if there was to be

1641
02:02:12,041 --> 02:02:17,700
a consideration for demolishing by the federal government, um, would

1642
02:02:17,740 --> 02:02:20,580
they be reaching back out to the municipality in terms

1643
02:02:20,580 --> 02:02:24,580
of a demolition permit? And would it also, would they

1644
02:02:24,580 --> 02:02:26,820
also be reaching back to the municipality in terms of

1645
02:02:27,241 --> 02:02:33,917
our own heritage, uh, committee assessing its value. So I'll

1646
02:02:33,917 --> 02:02:36,237
speak to its status and then I'll refer it over

1647
02:02:36,258 --> 02:02:39,997
to Mr. Bentley or Matt Simmerville to speak to the

1648
02:02:40,498 --> 02:02:43,437
process by which that would be considered. So in the

1649
02:02:43,477 --> 02:02:47,277
report, it identifies that the property is recognised as a

1650
02:02:47,458 --> 02:02:51,517
federal heritage building and is also listed on the city

1651
02:02:51,538 --> 02:02:55,757
of Pick Rings Municipal Heritage Register. So now I'll hand

1652
02:02:55,757 --> 02:02:57,677
it over to the Planning Staff. We can speak about

1653
02:02:57,778 --> 02:03:00,317
the process that transport can. It would not undertake. Should

1654
02:03:00,317 --> 02:03:05,574
they consider that, uh, in the future? Thanks, uh, Marissa.

1655
02:03:05,574 --> 02:03:09,014
So yeah, um, as Mrs identified, it's identified as federal

1656
02:03:09,054 --> 02:03:12,454
significance. Uh, similar to what has been done in years

1657
02:03:12,715 --> 02:03:16,694
past by transport Canada. I would assume, uh, that they

1658
02:03:16,694 --> 02:03:19,814
would, uh, notify the city of their intentions to demolish

1659
02:03:20,555 --> 02:03:22,774
consistent with that approach. They would have applied for a

1660
02:03:22,774 --> 02:03:26,454
demolition permit at the appropriate time. Um, they don't have

1661
02:03:26,454 --> 02:03:30,877
to. Uh, because they're exempt from complying with a misspal

1662
02:03:30,877 --> 02:03:32,957
requirements. But as a courtesy, they have been doing that

1663
02:03:32,978 --> 02:03:35,597
in the past. So I would anticipate the same activity

1664
02:03:35,618 --> 02:03:39,197
at, at the appropriate occasion, should that ever be contemplated.

1665
02:03:41,107 --> 02:03:44,366
If I might subsequent, Mr. Mayor Kyle. So if they

1666
02:03:44,406 --> 02:03:50,046
did do that, um, then the release of the permit,

1667
02:03:50,046 --> 02:03:52,606
um, and we've had debates on other properties with private

1668
02:03:52,787 --> 02:03:58,286
landowners, um, with Council have the opportunity to debate it.

1669
02:03:58,286 --> 02:04:02,526
Um, and to recommend a refusal as an example based

1670
02:04:02,526 --> 02:04:08,221
on its heritage. So, uh, in years past, I'm recalling

1671
02:04:09,602 --> 02:04:15,501
properties on federal lands, uh, there was intention by the,

1672
02:04:15,501 --> 02:04:19,101
uh, transport Canada to demo the building, um, we certainly

1673
02:04:19,122 --> 02:04:23,021
notified Council of Fat intention. And I believe at the

1674
02:04:23,021 --> 02:04:26,841
time some councillors had, uh, reached out, uh, directly. And

1675
02:04:26,841 --> 02:04:29,181
I think there was maybe some meetings, uh, Council means

1676
02:04:29,221 --> 02:04:31,901
that this was discussed as well. And there were some

1677
02:04:31,941 --> 02:04:33,881
back and forth discussion with transport Canada. At the end

1678
02:04:33,881 --> 02:04:36,941
of the day, it's their authority to move forward with

1679
02:04:37,122 --> 02:04:41,795
demolition. With or without, uh, Council objections, um, so I

1680
02:04:41,795 --> 02:04:44,275
think again, it's a courtesy on their part to reach

1681
02:04:44,275 --> 02:04:46,275
out to us, and, uh, hear what we have to

1682
02:04:46,315 --> 02:04:50,275
say, uh, but then stopping them from proceeding with demolition,

1683
02:04:50,275 --> 02:04:57,559
uh, because they're, they're exempt from meeting city requirements. And

1684
02:04:57,740 --> 02:05:01,959
that's far the no inkling from transport Canada that they

1685
02:05:01,959 --> 02:05:05,239
would be taking down Bromhaul. Am I correct Kyle? Nothing

1686
02:05:05,279 --> 02:05:10,981
that I'm aware of. And I suspect Mursica can. Nagy.

1687
02:05:14,830 --> 02:05:16,889
Thank you. Uh, I just wanted to say that with

1688
02:05:16,990 --> 02:05:19,369
all of the questions and comments that have been made,

1689
02:05:19,369 --> 02:05:21,609
I will be in support of this motion tonight because

1690
02:05:21,630 --> 02:05:24,409
this absolutely is an important building to the community. It's

1691
02:05:24,670 --> 02:05:28,149
a longstanding building despite the lease. It's consistently remained. The

1692
02:05:28,149 --> 02:05:30,809
property of the federal government. And it has always been

1693
02:05:31,470 --> 02:05:34,329
Brom Hall. So I will be voting yes because I

1694
02:05:34,329 --> 02:05:38,009
would like to protect the Pickering Taxpayer from paying for

1695
02:05:38,049 --> 02:05:40,329
the repairs of the building. I would like to protect

1696
02:05:40,369 --> 02:05:43,969
the integrity of the location. And because frankly, I could

1697
02:05:43,969 --> 02:05:46,009
never imagine this building under something like a naming right

1698
02:05:46,110 --> 02:05:49,435
as being anything other than Brom Hall. So that's all

1699
02:05:49,475 --> 02:05:52,917
I was going to say. Thank you. What about Costco

1700
02:05:53,178 --> 02:06:01,628
Bromall. Uh, Councillor Robinson, you've asked questions, Anton, debate. But

1701
02:06:02,149 --> 02:06:05,008
horrible thing to say Costco Brom Hall. We could find

1702
02:06:05,008 --> 02:06:09,008
something better than that. Hey Walmart. Um, two things. One,

1703
02:06:09,008 --> 02:06:11,248
I just want to correct the record. I had said

1704
02:06:11,288 --> 02:06:15,548
earlier about Councillor, but second my motioning on this, but

1705
02:06:15,669 --> 02:06:19,808
no, he had second my motion to defer the 681

1706
02:06:20,389 --> 02:06:22,448
Pleasant Street, which is coming later on in the agenda

1707
02:06:22,469 --> 02:06:25,408
on 11. 2. So I just wanted to correct that.

1708
02:06:25,408 --> 02:06:27,248
I was just thinking about, I'm like, Oh no, talking

1709
02:06:27,349 --> 02:06:30,648
about heritage. Um, and then the second thing is, I

1710
02:06:30,648 --> 02:06:36,608
mean, there was talk about, um, not using the public

1711
02:06:37,269 --> 02:06:41,408
funds, not using the funds to, to pay into this

1712
02:06:41,509 --> 02:06:46,201
building because it is a federal building. But in saying

1713
02:06:46,201 --> 02:06:48,921
that, I think we're being very hypocritical. Because I mean,

1714
02:06:48,961 --> 02:06:52,121
we spent over 60, 000 dollars for a farmhouse for

1715
02:06:52,161 --> 02:06:56,841
seven people, um, to a property that is owned by

1716
02:06:57,022 --> 02:07:02,681
a developer. We also have done bathroom renovations for other

1717
02:07:03,182 --> 02:07:07,041
places that, um, are not owned by the city. So

1718
02:07:07,041 --> 02:07:10,041
I just want to put that into perspective as well.

1719
02:07:10,041 --> 02:07:13,081
You know, I'm really trying hard for this community to

1720
02:07:13,121 --> 02:07:18,921
have their own hall. So, um, yeah, that's all I

1721
02:07:18,961 --> 02:07:21,481
wanted to add is that they do seem very hypocritical.

1722
02:07:21,481 --> 02:07:25,161
So thank you. I don't think that's an appropriate word.

1723
02:07:25,161 --> 02:07:27,481
Um, I'm sorry. Okay. Well, where should I use? Cause

1724
02:07:27,481 --> 02:07:29,486
I don't want to get in trouble, Mr. Mayor. Well,

1725
02:07:29,667 --> 02:07:31,646
I got to tell you, Councillor, that you should maybe

1726
02:07:31,667 --> 02:07:35,486
do some research on the money that the taxpayers saving

1727
02:07:35,486 --> 02:07:39,406
because of DARs. A shelter bed in Durham costs between

1728
02:07:39,747 --> 02:07:43,326
38, 000 and 76, 000 dollars per year. So on

1729
02:07:43,326 --> 02:07:48,126
average 55, 000, under housed people there saving the taxpayers

1730
02:07:48,126 --> 02:07:51,086
over 350, 000 dollars a year of being out of

1731
02:07:51,086 --> 02:07:54,126
the shelter system. So. No, I think that's great. You're

1732
02:07:54,147 --> 02:07:56,686
absolutely right. It is a great thing. Darius is a

1733
02:07:56,686 --> 02:07:58,926
great thing. The thing that I don't like is that

1734
02:07:58,966 --> 02:08:04,126
we're using taxpayers dollars for a developer's property. That's the

1735
02:08:04,166 --> 02:08:07,566
problem. To save 350, 000 dollars. Okay, I get it.

1736
02:08:07,587 --> 02:08:10,286
No, no, the developers to be paying for that Mr.

1737
02:08:10,307 --> 02:08:13,786
Mary's The Landlord. See, you change everything around. When you

1738
02:08:13,786 --> 02:08:15,646
think about it and don't worry about what the place

1739
02:08:15,827 --> 02:08:18,926
is being used for. If you just think about who

1740
02:08:19,267 --> 02:08:23,806
owns the property, right? We don't own the property a

1741
02:08:23,806 --> 02:08:27,646
developer does. It has nothing to do with the Councillor.

1742
02:08:27,646 --> 02:08:30,126
We're off track here. All my point was that we're

1743
02:08:30,307 --> 02:08:35,006
saving money because of our supportive DARS to the taxpayer

1744
02:08:35,027 --> 02:08:39,566
about 350, 000 dollars per year. And you're also spending

1745
02:08:39,566 --> 02:08:43,726
taxpayers dollars on building that doesn't belong to us. To

1746
02:08:43,747 --> 02:08:46,686
save the taxpayer 350, 000 dollars, which is about a

1747
02:08:46,686 --> 02:08:49,966
half a tax point that you perhaps want to add

1748
02:08:49,966 --> 02:08:53,726
to the taxable. Okay. Uh, we have a requested vote

1749
02:08:53,987 --> 02:09:00,972
recorded for coat. Very immature. Council, you cost the taxpayers

1750
02:09:01,012 --> 02:09:04,892
a lot of money. You argue for extra money all

1751
02:09:04,892 --> 02:09:07,852
the time. So I don't know why you're so defensive.

1752
02:09:07,852 --> 02:09:10,252
You should be proud of you and the CAO to

1753
02:09:10,252 --> 02:09:12,172
keep on putting those complaints in you. So in fact,

1754
02:09:12,513 --> 02:09:16,852
you guys are the ones wasting the taxpayers. Point of

1755
02:09:16,852 --> 02:09:19,772
order. That's not the item on the floor. That's right.

1756
02:09:19,953 --> 02:09:23,772
Councillor, uh, going to call the question Councillor Cooks ask

1757
02:09:23,812 --> 02:09:33,323
for recorded vote. Answer Cook. Yes. Councillor Nige. Yes.

1758
02:09:34,335 --> 02:09:42,523
Councillor Pickles. Yes. I'm so Robinson. No. Brenner? Yes. Mayor

1759
02:09:42,523 --> 02:09:46,721
Ash. Yes. The worship that's carried five to one. Thank

1760
02:09:46,721 --> 02:09:52,284
you. Councillor Robinson. You have pulled item 10. 4. The

1761
02:09:52,284 --> 02:10:00,823
2027 committee and Council meeting schedule. Yes. I did Mr.

1762
02:10:00,844 --> 02:10:03,543
Mayor. Thank you. Um, I have a couple of questions

1763
02:10:03,564 --> 02:10:06,823
here. There's only like four unless more come up as

1764
02:10:06,863 --> 02:10:09,863
I'm speaking. But why is Council approving the meeting schedule

1765
02:10:09,964 --> 02:10:12,503
for the next term of Council before New Council has

1766
02:10:12,524 --> 02:10:16,823
been elected? Shouldn't the incoming Council have the opportunity to

1767
02:10:17,244 --> 02:10:22,263
determine how and when it wishes to conduct its meetings?

1768
02:10:22,364 --> 02:10:26,979
Come here. I think, um, the answer as the clerk

1769
02:10:27,019 --> 02:10:30,019
is already given to you. This calendar is put up

1770
02:10:30,059 --> 02:10:34,099
by our concurrent procedural bylaw. And if the bylaws change

1771
02:10:34,139 --> 02:10:37,139
by the new council, the calendar will be changed accordingly,

1772
02:10:37,139 --> 02:10:40,099
but this is to plan for the future and for

1773
02:10:40,139 --> 02:10:44,419
to make sure that the operation of government continues seamlessly

1774
02:10:44,459 --> 02:10:49,825
during any transition. Right. Okay. Perfect. And, you know, I

1775
02:10:49,826 --> 02:10:52,125
previously attempted to bring Freud the notice of motion to

1776
02:10:52,125 --> 02:10:56,365
move our two o'clock Executive meetings to nighttime so we

1777
02:10:56,365 --> 02:11:01,645
could improve our public engagements and accessibility. Was that suggesting

1778
02:11:02,786 --> 02:11:06,205
ever reviewed or considered by staff before we brought forward

1779
02:11:06,786 --> 02:11:11,887
this schedule. Are we just meeting studies quickly? The schedule

1780
02:11:11,887 --> 02:11:17,487
is based on our current procedural bylaw. And Council will

1781
02:11:17,527 --> 02:11:21,707
have every ability to change that, uh, procedural bylaw. Uh,

1782
02:11:22,148 --> 02:11:25,567
at its first meeting and its second meeting or any

1783
02:11:25,748 --> 02:11:29,407
meeting in between, but the, the reality is more and

1784
02:11:29,407 --> 02:11:38,774
more councillors are going to daytime meetings. Okay. So.

1785
02:11:40,606 --> 02:11:44,105
Stat has undertaken an analysis regarding that thing, Mr. Mayor

1786
02:11:44,145 --> 02:11:48,025
regarding the public attendance and participation between the two o'clock

1787
02:11:48,206 --> 02:11:51,865
meetings versus our evening meetings. Do we have data on

1788
02:11:51,865 --> 02:11:54,936
that. For the city of Pickering? I'm not talking about

1789
02:11:55,117 --> 02:11:57,736
anywhere else. I'm talking about here. You just made the

1790
02:11:57,736 --> 02:12:04,098
comment. Do we have said was staff. Are doing the

1791
02:12:05,479 --> 02:12:10,818
committee schedule based on our current procedural bylaw. There's been

1792
02:12:10,839 --> 02:12:15,438
no analysis. There's been no changes. There's no, no, um,

1793
02:12:15,799 --> 02:12:19,458
study and no recommendations to change it. That'll be up

1794
02:12:19,498 --> 02:12:21,298
to the new Council if they want to make that

1795
02:12:21,399 --> 02:12:24,898
determination. Madam Clerk, do you want to give a more

1796
02:12:25,079 --> 02:12:28,400
Folsom answer than that. But sorry, Mr. Mayor, did you

1797
02:12:28,440 --> 02:12:31,840
not say that that other municipalities are going to day

1798
02:12:31,880 --> 02:12:34,865
meetings instead of nighttime meetings? Yes. I did. So that's

1799
02:12:34,905 --> 02:12:37,025
just based on what you know, it hasn't been a

1800
02:12:37,065 --> 02:12:40,545
study that's been done. That's correct. Okay. Madam Clerk, do

1801
02:12:40,545 --> 02:12:43,265
you want to thank you, worship? I don't have a

1802
02:12:43,265 --> 02:12:44,905
lot more to add than what you've already said. It

1803
02:12:44,905 --> 02:12:46,945
is based on the current rules in the bylaw, which

1804
02:12:46,945 --> 02:12:49,265
is subject to change with the new Council. There's a

1805
02:12:49,265 --> 02:12:53,345
review of that bylaw done every term. Uh, and usually

1806
02:12:53,606 --> 02:12:57,345
it is dictated by Council. It's not necessarily a stop

1807
02:12:57,385 --> 02:12:59,825
driven. It is Council's bylaw. It's how we conduct the

1808
02:12:59,825 --> 02:13:03,265
meetings. Uh, and I have not undertaken a study about

1809
02:13:03,766 --> 02:13:06,305
daytime meetings versus nighttime meetings. I have not been directed

1810
02:13:06,886 --> 02:13:08,745
by Council to do so if I was, then I

1811
02:13:08,745 --> 02:13:14,985
would undertake that work. Okay. Great. So then by approving

1812
02:13:15,086 --> 02:13:17,705
a schedule tonight, we're not binding or compelling the next

1813
02:13:17,726 --> 02:13:21,705
term of Council to follow this particular arrangements. They're free

1814
02:13:21,705 --> 02:13:25,705
to go in as soon as they're elected and change

1815
02:13:25,886 --> 02:13:28,924
the schedule if they wish. And they could have mentioned

1816
02:13:28,964 --> 02:13:31,324
it. Right. As soon as they take office. Yeah. Or

1817
02:13:31,505 --> 02:13:35,404
change council to daytime meetings. Right. And even now Councillor

1818
02:13:35,444 --> 02:13:39,644
through the provisions in that bylaw. It says, uh, the

1819
02:13:39,644 --> 02:13:44,124
meetings are at certain dates and times unless otherwise approved

1820
02:13:44,164 --> 02:13:47,324
by resolution of Council. So Council has the authority over

1821
02:13:47,425 --> 02:13:50,204
their meetings. And should they wish to change one mid

1822
02:13:50,305 --> 02:13:52,764
year, for instance? They have the ability to do that.

1823
02:13:53,627 --> 02:13:56,006
Okay. That's great. Thank you very much for that. I

1824
02:13:56,046 --> 02:14:05,633
appreciate it. Councillor Pickles question. Debate. I'm not sure it's

1825
02:14:05,734 --> 02:14:07,953
a question. I'm not sure who I could direct it

1826
02:14:07,953 --> 02:14:10,273
to. Maybe Mr. Holburn would know, but I don't think

1827
02:14:10,273 --> 02:14:13,713
it would be the present clerk. Um, but Mayor Ash

1828
02:14:13,753 --> 02:14:18,833
and Councillor Brunner may recall that over the years, we've

1829
02:14:18,833 --> 02:14:24,508
looked at a few different. Structures and timing for committee

1830
02:14:24,548 --> 02:14:29,708
meetings. And what I recall is that for Executive Committee

1831
02:14:29,748 --> 02:14:34,628
meetings, uh, we've tended to have a great deal, a

1832
02:14:34,628 --> 02:14:40,021
great number of staff present. But very few, if any,

1833
02:14:40,061 --> 02:14:45,941
residents, uh, attended the Executive Committee meetings. Whereas planning meetings,

1834
02:14:45,941 --> 02:14:50,581
uh, we tended to have fewer staff and many more

1835
02:14:50,602 --> 02:14:56,901
residents, particularly when there was, uh, a development of some,

1836
02:14:56,901 --> 02:15:01,381
um, general interest to the public. And so over the

1837
02:15:01,402 --> 02:15:04,981
course of the years, we determined to have the planning

1838
02:15:05,082 --> 02:15:09,301
committee meetings, uh, and council meetings in the evening as

1839
02:15:09,341 --> 02:15:12,181
those were the ones that were most attended by resonance

1840
02:15:12,922 --> 02:15:16,501
and have the Executive Committee meetings during the day as

1841
02:15:16,541 --> 02:15:20,421
few, if any, residents, came to them. As well, since

1842
02:15:21,002 --> 02:15:26,261
the, uh, recommendations of the Executive Committee meeting come to

1843
02:15:26,442 --> 02:15:30,741
Council to be endorsed, uh, members of the public would

1844
02:15:30,781 --> 02:15:33,141
have an opportunity to come to Council of the Wanda

1845
02:15:33,181 --> 02:15:39,032
speak to Executive Committee members. And they would also have,

1846
02:15:39,032 --> 02:15:41,512
uh, two or more kicks of the can, so to

1847
02:15:41,512 --> 02:15:44,232
speak with respect to planning items since they would go

1848
02:15:44,493 --> 02:15:50,312
to a statutory public meeting a planning meeting. And then

1849
02:15:50,312 --> 02:15:53,232
again, to come to a council meeting for endorsement. So

1850
02:15:53,613 --> 02:15:56,592
I think just a bit of history. That's kind of

1851
02:15:56,592 --> 02:16:00,072
how we landed on the schedule we have for evening

1852
02:16:00,253 --> 02:16:04,072
versus, uh, daytime meetings. That's, that's what I would call

1853
02:16:04,493 --> 02:16:09,352
Councillor Brenner and Council Rash may, may recall some of

1854
02:16:09,352 --> 02:16:15,515
those earlier iterations as well. Thank you. Thank you. Um,

1855
02:16:16,996 --> 02:16:19,935
the motion is duly moved in seconded. We've had debate

1856
02:16:20,036 --> 02:16:24,211
in questions. I'm going to call the question then. Unless

1857
02:16:24,211 --> 02:16:29,505
there's a request for a roof quote a vote. Sure.

1858
02:16:29,505 --> 02:16:31,985
We can have a recording vote. Sure. Recorded vote requested

1859
02:16:31,985 --> 02:16:37,585
by Councillor Robinson. Madam Clerk, we call the rule, please.

1860
02:16:38,717 --> 02:16:45,583
Councillor Robinson? No. Councillor Brenner. Yes. That's her Cook. Yes.

1861
02:16:46,233 --> 02:16:55,873
Councillor Nike. Yes. Councillor Pickles. Sorry, yes. Mayor

1862
02:16:55,913 --> 02:16:59,787
Ash? Yes. Worship that's carry five to one. Thank you.

1863
02:16:59,827 --> 02:17:03,067
Uh, that concludes Executive. I have a consent motion moved

1864
02:17:03,067 --> 02:17:07,687
by Councillor Pixel Councillor Brenner on 11 one, two, and

1865
02:17:07,687 --> 02:17:12,187
three. I'll give anybody a chance to pull the debate.

1866
02:17:13,234 --> 02:17:21,318
On either one, two, or three. Councillor Robinson. I didn't

1867
02:17:21,358 --> 02:17:26,534
hear anyone ask for a consent motion. Put into something.

1868
02:17:27,127 --> 02:17:31,436
Else or Pickles said yes. I seconded it. I moved

1869
02:17:31,476 --> 02:17:35,225
it. Yeah. So do you have any polls council? No,

1870
02:17:35,225 --> 02:17:38,025
you, you mentioned at first Mr. Meredith, but they're just.

1871
02:17:38,933 --> 02:17:42,032
I'm sorry. It just isn't seem like the proper procedure

1872
02:17:42,613 --> 02:17:44,912
on October 26, people decide who's going to run the

1873
02:17:44,912 --> 02:17:49,232
meeting moving forward. So, uh, until then, I am. Do

1874
02:17:49,232 --> 02:17:53,073
you have any, we're not going to call procedure. I'm

1875
02:17:53,174 --> 02:17:55,073
falling procedure. I have a mover and a sectioner for

1876
02:17:55,254 --> 02:17:57,393
consent agenda. I'm asking for any polls. Do you have

1877
02:17:57,393 --> 02:18:02,860
any polls? Um, we're not following procedure. Yes, I'm going

1878
02:18:02,860 --> 02:18:09,472
to pull 11. 1 and 11. 2. 3 is moved

1879
02:18:09,653 --> 02:18:13,712
consecutive. Going to call the questionals in favor. I'll pose

1880
02:18:13,712 --> 02:18:19,102
that aim's carry. Uh, motion 11. 1 is in regards

1881
02:18:19,102 --> 02:18:24,062
to Seaton TFPM inc. Seaton community. It's moved in 2nd

1882
02:18:24,083 --> 02:18:28,728
Councillor Robinson. You've pulled it for questions and or debate.

1883
02:18:29,464 --> 02:18:31,746
You have the floor. Yes. I have pulled it for

1884
02:18:31,847 --> 02:18:34,546
both and I'm surprised that everybody wanted to do a

1885
02:18:34,727 --> 02:18:39,346
consent agenda on this. Yes, sir. Um, Executive Committee and

1886
02:18:39,346 --> 02:18:43,506
planning meeting take hours. We've already dealt with these items.

1887
02:18:43,546 --> 02:18:47,426
They are brought here not to read litigate, not to

1888
02:18:47,607 --> 02:18:52,466
read debate, but to ratify the actions taken a committee.

1889
02:18:52,887 --> 02:18:55,266
It's perfectly in your right to do it, but to

1890
02:18:55,266 --> 02:18:58,866
suggest we're ramming things through at nine o'clock at night

1891
02:18:59,367 --> 02:19:02,226
wouldn't be correct. So you have the floor on 11.

1892
02:19:02,266 --> 02:19:05,232
1. Okay. Just one question before I go to my

1893
02:19:05,333 --> 02:19:07,552
questions, please. Mr. Mayor, you always seem to have this

1894
02:19:07,653 --> 02:19:11,587
issue with time. That things are taken too long that

1895
02:19:11,587 --> 02:19:14,387
I asked like, you know, 27 minutes of questions at

1896
02:19:14,387 --> 02:19:19,350
the other meeting. Is it a time issue. Like it's

1897
02:19:19,350 --> 02:19:21,990
a question. You constantly mentioning time. Like this is our

1898
02:19:22,011 --> 02:19:24,470
job. Isn't this our job to sit here so people

1899
02:19:24,491 --> 02:19:28,710
are aware of everything and ask questions. So they understand

1900
02:19:28,891 --> 02:19:31,830
what we're talking about instead of just saying consent agenda

1901
02:19:31,931 --> 02:19:38,864
done and nobody knows what was passed. There's 22 staff

1902
02:19:38,904 --> 02:19:44,234
people on this call. All paid very handsomely. And you

1903
02:19:44,234 --> 02:19:47,254
might suggest that's a good, uh, use of time. Uh,

1904
02:19:47,455 --> 02:19:51,434
I'm suggesting it's not. We've already spent hours and hours

1905
02:19:52,255 --> 02:19:57,994
debating these issues at committee. These are issues. If you

1906
02:19:57,994 --> 02:20:02,214
want to waste time, um, continue to do so. I'm

1907
02:20:02,214 --> 02:20:04,554
not suggesting you're wasting time by asking questions. Uh, but

1908
02:20:06,415 --> 02:20:11,094
you spent 25 minutes asking about denialism today. So, um,

1909
02:20:11,695 --> 02:20:13,034
I'm also going to ask, how do we know that

1910
02:20:13,055 --> 02:20:15,914
all of our staff are here and present when all

1911
02:20:15,914 --> 02:20:19,104
their cameras are turned off. Because they're meant to have

1912
02:20:19,104 --> 02:20:23,864
their cameras off until they're called to be there. So

1913
02:20:24,485 --> 02:20:25,984
we're paying them a lot of money, like you said.

1914
02:20:26,282 --> 02:20:29,061
So I just want to make sure. So I'll go

1915
02:20:29,061 --> 02:20:33,005
to my questions, Mr. Mayor. So my first question is

1916
02:20:33,266 --> 02:20:37,085
exactly how many hectares of designated employment lands are being

1917
02:20:37,106 --> 02:20:41,865
removed or redesignated through this mechanism to this amendment, I'm

1918
02:20:41,865 --> 02:20:50,240
sorry. Uh, miss there Bentley or Mr. Rose. Do you

1919
02:20:50,240 --> 02:20:53,620
want to speak to that? Yeah, I'd invite Catherine Rose

1920
02:20:53,660 --> 02:21:02,329
to respond to that question. Through the mayor to Councillor

1921
02:21:02,369 --> 02:21:07,769
Robinson, uh, unfortunately I, I don't have the exact number,

1922
02:21:07,769 --> 02:21:12,767
uh, of hepterisit is being redesignated. Okay. Thank you. Mr.

1923
02:21:12,807 --> 02:21:16,527
Rose. Um, do we, I had asked at the last

1924
02:21:16,567 --> 02:21:20,687
meeting, do we know how many jobs were originally projected

1925
02:21:20,727 --> 02:21:24,207
to be created on these lands and how many jobs

1926
02:21:24,247 --> 02:21:29,167
now are projected to be lost as a result of

1927
02:21:29,668 --> 02:21:37,195
this redesignation. Again, through the mayor to Councillor Robinson, uh,

1928
02:21:37,316 --> 02:21:40,075
again, I don't have a specific number of jobs, but

1929
02:21:40,276 --> 02:21:44,575
I can advise that we are retaining one block of

1930
02:21:44,916 --> 02:21:49,935
employment land. And we are also identifying other, some smaller

1931
02:21:50,036 --> 02:21:54,815
areas for commercial. So there will be some employment replaced

1932
02:21:54,815 --> 02:21:58,575
through the commercial type activities, as well as we are

1933
02:21:58,615 --> 02:22:02,175
retaining the one block of a larger block of employment

1934
02:22:02,276 --> 02:22:07,458
lands. Okay. So we haven't done an analyst to determine

1935
02:22:07,639 --> 02:22:10,418
how many jobs might be displaced as a result of

1936
02:22:10,599 --> 02:22:16,738
this amendment. Okay. Councillor turned on his camera. Um, I'm

1937
02:22:16,738 --> 02:22:20,418
an economic development perspective. Uh, and the, and the reasoning

1938
02:22:20,439 --> 02:22:24,018
from a planning as well as an economic development perspective.

1939
02:22:24,018 --> 02:22:26,578
We've heard from the planning perspective, Mr. Jodu, you want

1940
02:22:26,578 --> 02:22:32,178
to speak to the shortcomings in this particular area of

1941
02:22:32,359 --> 02:22:36,502
employment. Through you, myrrh Ash to Councillor Robinson. So there's

1942
02:22:36,763 --> 02:22:39,382
various steps that were taken to understand how we came

1943
02:22:39,382 --> 02:22:42,742
to this conclusion. When you look at the historical area

1944
02:22:43,083 --> 02:22:47,282
of the era of the Brock 47, the Seaton, um,

1945
02:22:47,883 --> 02:22:51,062
community plan that was done through the CPDP, the draft

1946
02:22:51,083 --> 02:22:56,582
plan and highlighted employment areas that were right beside areas

1947
02:22:57,083 --> 02:23:00,582
as such as schools or other areas such as residential

1948
02:23:00,603 --> 02:23:04,182
areas. When we went through our analysis to understand how

1949
02:23:04,203 --> 02:23:07,782
we could market these lands for users, we came to

1950
02:23:07,822 --> 02:23:11,462
the determination that these lands would not be marketable for

1951
02:23:11,563 --> 02:23:16,022
users that would yield higher employment. Now when we did

1952
02:23:16,603 --> 02:23:20,022
their whole exercise with Ms. Rose, Mr. Bentley and their

1953
02:23:20,062 --> 02:23:23,542
staff and some with some, uh, external assistance as well.

1954
02:23:24,148 --> 02:23:27,887
We came to the conclusion that commercial also generates jobs.

1955
02:23:27,887 --> 02:23:31,647
So your question regarding displacement of jobs, there's no displacement

1956
02:23:31,687 --> 02:23:33,967
of jobs because there are no jobs there right now.

1957
02:23:34,810 --> 02:23:38,149
Our responsibility as staff is to put forward the best

1958
02:23:38,170 --> 02:23:42,049
options that we could put for towards end users. And

1959
02:23:42,170 --> 02:23:44,389
that this, these are the best options. We do not

1960
02:23:44,389 --> 02:23:46,709
want to have land that's going to sit idle for

1961
02:23:46,749 --> 02:23:49,269
years and years when it does not provide any sort

1962
02:23:49,290 --> 02:23:52,069
of benefit to any end user. We see that in

1963
02:23:52,090 --> 02:23:54,629
many municipalities and you see that in many areas across

1964
02:23:55,530 --> 02:23:57,869
other areas as well. So what we wanted to do

1965
02:23:57,869 --> 02:24:00,869
is we wanted to have the area marketable, like you've

1966
02:24:00,869 --> 02:24:03,989
done in the innovation corridor. And truth be told, even

1967
02:24:03,989 --> 02:24:06,629
in the innovation corridor, there's some irregular shapes that are

1968
02:24:06,650 --> 02:24:09,787
very hard to market. We're trying our best and this

1969
02:24:09,787 --> 02:24:12,907
area did not provide us without option, which is why

1970
02:24:12,928 --> 02:24:15,387
we chose to go through the route of looking at

1971
02:24:15,427 --> 02:24:19,147
other options. And just, just, uh, just to let everyone

1972
02:24:19,187 --> 02:24:24,507
know, commercial creates good jobs. It generates opportunities. And most

1973
02:24:24,547 --> 02:24:28,145
importantly, it's creates amenities for our residents. Um, you know,

1974
02:24:28,145 --> 02:24:30,865
residents don't necessarily want to drive into an employment park

1975
02:24:31,286 --> 02:24:33,505
to get groceries or get gas. They want to be

1976
02:24:33,505 --> 02:24:35,745
able to get it close to their home. And this

1977
02:24:35,745 --> 02:24:38,919
opportunity provided that right off the 407. So I hope

1978
02:24:38,919 --> 02:24:42,599
that answers your question. But if this is better planning

1979
02:24:42,639 --> 02:24:46,999
now, then why are we the lands originally designated for

1980
02:24:47,020 --> 02:24:50,199
employment in the first place? Like what, what is changed?

1981
02:24:50,380 --> 02:24:53,399
Seaton plan was done through the province. Through the province

1982
02:24:53,399 --> 02:24:57,319
of, yeah, sorry, go ahead, Marash. No, Seaton was developed

1983
02:24:57,660 --> 02:25:06,650
through the province and didn't lack any municipal authority. The

1984
02:25:06,751 --> 02:25:11,290
original plans of the, uh, Seaton area, uh, were done

1985
02:25:11,330 --> 02:25:14,250
through a draft plan that were done through the central

1986
02:25:14,250 --> 02:25:18,490
Central Pickgrin area Centra CPDP. And that was done years

1987
02:25:18,530 --> 02:25:21,450
ago. So when we, when we, when we revisit areas

1988
02:25:22,511 --> 02:25:24,810
through whether through an official plan or a sufficient plan

1989
02:25:24,850 --> 02:25:27,850
amendment, this is, this is the exact purpose of that,

1990
02:25:27,850 --> 02:25:30,330
looking at the opportunities and how the market has shifted

1991
02:25:30,431 --> 02:25:38,265
and changed. Okay. Um, well, then talking about that just

1992
02:25:38,265 --> 02:25:41,385
weeks ago, Council supported the report to Park's Canada and

1993
02:25:41,385 --> 02:25:44,665
transport Canada that identified the federal lands as a future

1994
02:25:44,926 --> 02:25:50,425
employment area. And we cited a growing demand for industrial

1995
02:25:50,526 --> 02:25:53,945
lands in Durham region linked to Durham in the GTA.

1996
02:25:55,315 --> 02:25:59,214
Can we then explain how that position is reconciled with

1997
02:25:59,555 --> 02:26:04,470
removing employment lands and seeing tonight. Sure. I'd be happy

1998
02:26:04,510 --> 02:26:06,790
to do that. When you look at the area that's

1999
02:26:06,830 --> 02:26:11,030
been presented through this report by Ms. Rosen, Mr. Bentley,

2000
02:26:11,030 --> 02:26:13,110
this area, while we, a lot of many of us

2001
02:26:13,131 --> 02:26:18,630
call the TPFM area, the Brock 47 area, the large

2002
02:26:18,670 --> 02:26:22,310
area, acreage of employment lens that are being removed. They're

2003
02:26:22,310 --> 02:26:24,950
being redesignated for other purposes. When you look at the

2004
02:26:25,211 --> 02:26:28,150
employment lands that were proposing for the federal government to

2005
02:26:28,190 --> 02:26:31,830
put in front of, um, this community, those are contiguous

2006
02:26:32,011 --> 02:26:35,430
large parcels of land. They're not four or five acres.

2007
02:26:35,430 --> 02:26:38,070
They're not 11 acres. Those are large parcels of land

2008
02:26:38,891 --> 02:26:41,990
that actually even are easier to market even in comparison

2009
02:26:42,011 --> 02:26:44,150
to some of the irregular shapes we have in the

2010
02:26:44,150 --> 02:26:47,110
innovation corridor. So it's a night and day difference when

2011
02:26:47,451 --> 02:26:50,630
you're comparing the federal lands that we want the federal

2012
02:26:50,651 --> 02:26:53,510
government to convert to employment lands compared to the lands

2013
02:26:53,510 --> 02:26:56,950
up at the Brock 407 area. They're not comparable in

2014
02:26:56,990 --> 02:27:02,230
size marketability and exposure. And more importantly access to employment

2015
02:27:02,411 --> 02:27:05,110
for employers. And also people that are going to be

2016
02:27:05,110 --> 02:27:08,070
able to work there. So there are two separate matters

2017
02:27:08,491 --> 02:27:13,527
that don't even compare to each other. So because the

2018
02:27:13,708 --> 02:27:17,367
lands are bigger up in the federal lands, we would

2019
02:27:17,407 --> 02:27:23,313
rather pave over prime. Class A farmland as opposed to

2020
02:27:23,654 --> 02:27:31,460
making the employment lands work in Seaton. Let me just

2021
02:27:31,460 --> 02:27:35,700
clarify the, let's stop there for a second. Uh, I

2022
02:27:35,700 --> 02:27:39,020
don't think that's appropriate to suggest we're paving over. We

2023
02:27:39,081 --> 02:27:44,260
want to protect an agricultion. Well, with all due respect,

2024
02:27:44,300 --> 02:27:48,820
Mr. Mary, three options. Report reports to go tonight. I'm

2025
02:27:48,841 --> 02:27:52,340
not going, I'm not continuing with this. Finish your question.

2026
02:27:54,589 --> 02:27:57,608
Again, Mr. Mayor with all due respect. We're not protecting

2027
02:27:57,709 --> 02:28:00,008
all of the land up there. He only gave three

2028
02:28:00,109 --> 02:28:02,488
officers to the people. There was no option for it.

2029
02:28:02,749 --> 02:28:05,768
Time's up. You've got, you've talked for seven, seven minutes.

2030
02:28:05,768 --> 02:28:08,264
So I'm going to cut you off. Any further questions

2031
02:28:08,264 --> 02:28:13,580
on this. Councillor Brenner. You have the floor. Thank you

2032
02:28:13,620 --> 02:28:18,060
very much, Mr. Mayor. Um, he has, um, am I

2033
02:28:18,060 --> 02:28:21,820
correct that one of the, probably most important salient points

2034
02:28:22,161 --> 02:28:26,700
in this is in fact the wording that has and

2035
02:28:26,700 --> 02:28:30,780
to permit additional employment uses on lands. So am I

2036
02:28:30,780 --> 02:28:36,305
correct in that interpretation? We have not decreased. The amount

2037
02:28:36,326 --> 02:28:40,145
of opportunities or the lands for employment, but where in

2038
02:28:40,145 --> 02:28:44,465
fact enhancing and looking at other creative uses to achieve

2039
02:28:44,806 --> 02:28:49,273
employment within these lands. Would that be accurate. That is

2040
02:28:49,774 --> 02:28:54,821
100 percent accurate Councillor. Thank you. Councillor Pickle, Jibda for.

2041
02:28:58,972 --> 02:29:03,011
Yeah. Uh, Mr. Mayor, um, just a similar comment. Um,

2042
02:29:03,292 --> 02:29:08,151
so Fia's and Mr. Mayor, you raised as well is

2043
02:29:08,151 --> 02:29:12,951
that the previous plan for Seaton wasn't developed by us.

2044
02:29:12,951 --> 02:29:16,151
Wasn't approved by us. It was, uh, it was led

2045
02:29:16,191 --> 02:29:20,791
by the provincial government. It was either approved or proved

2046
02:29:20,972 --> 02:29:23,831
as a settlement through, I think at that time, the

2047
02:29:23,871 --> 02:29:27,171
Ontario Municipal Board. The world has changed a little bit

2048
02:29:27,171 --> 02:29:31,351
in the last several years. Fiazz has pointed out that

2049
02:29:31,852 --> 02:29:38,901
the original. Planned development of these lots after going a

2050
02:29:38,901 --> 02:29:44,021
refinement exercise no longer are viable for that purpose. They're

2051
02:29:44,021 --> 02:29:48,581
being rezoned to a more suitable purpose. And the lands

2052
02:29:49,162 --> 02:29:52,341
in the innovation corridor and or adjacent to that innovation

2053
02:29:52,522 --> 02:29:58,721
quarter are more appropriate for those large development uses, uh,

2054
02:29:59,082 --> 02:30:02,581
that we very much desire in the community. Would that

2055
02:30:02,621 --> 02:30:07,598
be correct for us. Do you, Mayor Ash, the Councillor

2056
02:30:07,638 --> 02:30:11,870
Pickles. Yes, that is 100 percent accurate incorrect. And this

2057
02:30:12,051 --> 02:30:15,390
isn't the only change that has come along through the

2058
02:30:15,430 --> 02:30:20,110
Seaton plans implementation, uh, again, the plan is several years

2059
02:30:20,211 --> 02:30:26,030
old and a number of amendments changes, refinements have come

2060
02:30:26,211 --> 02:30:29,550
forward, uh, as appropriate over the course of the time

2061
02:30:29,550 --> 02:30:33,070
of the development Seaton. And this is another one. Would

2062
02:30:33,070 --> 02:30:37,044
that be correct? That is correct. Yep. Thank you. Yep.

2063
02:30:37,044 --> 02:30:42,830
Thank you. Okay. There's no further debate. Councillor, you have

2064
02:30:42,870 --> 02:30:47,171
your, you've had your go at it. I'm going to

2065
02:30:47,171 --> 02:30:53,037
call the question. Stuley moved in second elves in favor.

2066
02:30:53,037 --> 02:30:54,957
So I'm going to ask for recorded vote. And are

2067
02:30:54,957 --> 02:30:56,557
we not having debate? You're not going to let me

2068
02:30:56,597 --> 02:31:00,797
debate either. You've already debated. Record a vote requested by

2069
02:31:00,837 --> 02:31:06,198
Councillor Robinson. Councillor Robinson. Quinn of personal privilege, please. I

2070
02:31:06,238 --> 02:31:08,598
have not debated anything. No, we're not doing this. You

2071
02:31:08,619 --> 02:31:11,673
cut off the role. I call the role. You vote

2072
02:31:11,694 --> 02:31:17,218
yes or no. Or I turn off your microphone. Mr.

2073
02:31:17,239 --> 02:31:20,902
Mayor, you allow everyone else. Adam Clerk, please continue with

2074
02:31:20,942 --> 02:31:30,183
the role. Councillor Brenner. Sorry. Yes. Councillor Cook. Yes.

2075
02:31:31,719 --> 02:31:40,962
Council Nike? Yes. Councillor Pickles. Yes. Mayor Ashe. Yes. You

2076
02:31:40,962 --> 02:31:43,202
worship. I'm confirming with you as chair that Councillor Robinson

2077
02:31:43,303 --> 02:31:49,428
is not voting on this item. Her microphone's been able.

2078
02:31:49,428 --> 02:31:50,868
She can vote now if she wants. I don't want

2079
02:31:50,908 --> 02:31:54,322
any more debate. Councillor Robinson. Yes or no to the

2080
02:31:54,322 --> 02:31:57,309
vote. The answer was no. And thank you for allowing

2081
02:31:57,330 --> 02:32:01,167
me to speak Mr. Mayor. Thank you. The vulture is

2082
02:32:01,508 --> 02:32:03,727
that carried five to one. The next item is in

2083
02:32:03,767 --> 02:32:07,887
regards to 11. 2 mindful that we still have 18

2084
02:32:07,908 --> 02:32:11,407
more reports to go. Not the time is of an

2085
02:32:11,407 --> 02:32:14,527
issue for some of us. Uh, and this is in

2086
02:32:14,567 --> 02:32:18,607
regards to motion duly with the second about notice the

2087
02:32:18,607 --> 02:32:23,779
objection of designation of six, eight, one. Pleasant street. Councillor

2088
02:32:23,819 --> 02:32:28,980
Rollins, you have the floor. I'm starting the clock. Starting

2089
02:32:29,020 --> 02:32:32,864
the clock for what my questions. No, your debate. I

2090
02:32:32,965 --> 02:32:34,864
want to ask questions. I don't, I don't have a

2091
02:32:34,904 --> 02:32:36,944
debate. I'm going to ask questions first, please. I'll give

2092
02:32:36,984 --> 02:32:41,255
you five minutes. For what? For questions or for to

2093
02:32:41,255 --> 02:32:44,935
be five minutes total. That's the, that's their chair's ruling.

2094
02:32:46,745 --> 02:32:49,044
Mr. Mayor, do you see how unfair you're being here?

2095
02:32:49,044 --> 02:32:50,924
I have questions to ask and then I want to

2096
02:32:50,924 --> 02:32:54,484
go into debate. You have five minutes. You've got now

2097
02:32:54,505 --> 02:32:58,912
four minutes and 31 seconds. Well. Stop canning to answer

2098
02:32:58,952 --> 02:33:03,508
my questions in that time. Well, you perhaps follow it

2099
02:33:03,508 --> 02:33:07,188
should have fallen. The procedural bylaw, which instructs you to

2100
02:33:07,609 --> 02:33:11,648
pose your questions to staff prior to the meeting. You

2101
02:33:11,648 --> 02:33:13,028
haven't done it. You did not have everything in secret

2102
02:33:13,049 --> 02:33:16,788
behind closed doors. The people don't know what's going on,

2103
02:33:16,788 --> 02:33:19,188
Mr. Mayor. They know what's going on. They deserved and

2104
02:33:19,188 --> 02:33:20,788
know it's going to. No, they don't. They know that

2105
02:33:20,788 --> 02:33:25,893
you've been breached the code 23 times. Really, Mr. Mayor?

2106
02:33:25,914 --> 02:33:27,973
You now have formers. And are they aware that you're

2107
02:33:28,013 --> 02:33:29,973
the one that keeps on putting in the complaints against

2108
02:33:29,994 --> 02:33:32,373
me? You know what? I'll just go into debate because

2109
02:33:32,413 --> 02:33:35,893
this is absolutely ludicrous and disgusting how you are running

2110
02:33:35,914 --> 02:33:40,643
this meeting. Well, people have a choice. Start. We're going

2111
02:33:40,643 --> 02:33:44,243
to designate a property that designation should be based solely

2112
02:33:44,504 --> 02:33:48,003
on the merits of the property and self and is

2113
02:33:48,003 --> 02:33:50,483
genuine heritage value. I also believe that we must be

2114
02:33:50,824 --> 02:33:54,563
fair to private property owners. This property was not designated

2115
02:33:54,664 --> 02:33:58,163
when the unders purchase tent. Now years later, we may

2116
02:33:58,203 --> 02:34:02,723
be imposing significant obligations of potential requiring the owner to

2117
02:34:02,744 --> 02:34:06,723
spend hundreds of thousands of dollars restoring and maintaining a

2118
02:34:06,723 --> 02:34:09,923
building that is already in a very poor state of

2119
02:34:10,024 --> 02:34:16,720
repair. Heritage designation is not without consequences. It can impose

2120
02:34:16,741 --> 02:34:21,200
additional costs, restrictions, approvals, delays and obligations on the property

2121
02:34:21,301 --> 02:34:24,400
on earth that would not otherwise exist. And no one

2122
02:34:24,440 --> 02:34:28,560
has really even spoken about the issue of insurance either.

2123
02:34:28,560 --> 02:34:32,320
If you knew some insurance companies will not even ensure

2124
02:34:32,501 --> 02:34:36,560
designated properties and others charge significantly higher premiums because of

2125
02:34:36,560 --> 02:34:40,880
the potential requirement to restore original heritage features. Those are

2126
02:34:41,061 --> 02:34:43,440
real financial implications that we are now putting on this

2127
02:34:43,701 --> 02:34:47,920
homeowner because we decide that this decrepit old building that

2128
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:50,560
is falling apart. It is inhabitable. It has so much

2129
02:34:50,821 --> 02:34:54,240
mold. But we are going to push those obligations on

2130
02:34:54,261 --> 02:34:58,160
to this person. I also question whether we have heard

2131
02:34:58,261 --> 02:35:02,080
all of the evidence necessary to make an informed decision.

2132
02:35:02,341 --> 02:35:04,640
At the previous meeting, I do not believe the property

2133
02:35:04,821 --> 02:35:07,920
owner was given a fair opportunity to fully present the

2134
02:35:08,101 --> 02:35:12,000
heritage planning aspects of this manner. Respectfully, the owner's lawyer

2135
02:35:12,000 --> 02:35:15,040
was not qualified to answer many of the heritage planning

2136
02:35:15,221 --> 02:35:18,960
questions that were asked. And in some cases even answers

2137
02:35:19,000 --> 02:35:23,197
appeared to be speculative. This is a highly specialized area.

2138
02:35:23,197 --> 02:35:25,277
And I do not believe that gives the property on

2139
02:35:25,277 --> 02:35:29,915
her a fair opportunity to fully present their case. In

2140
02:35:29,955 --> 02:35:33,355
my opinion, a qualified heritage planner or heritage professionals should

2141
02:35:34,176 --> 02:35:37,515
have the opportunity to speak directly to the issues before

2142
02:35:37,776 --> 02:35:40,955
us before council makes a final decision. I'm also concerned

2143
02:35:40,995 --> 02:35:43,795
about the building itself based on the current condition. It

2144
02:35:43,795 --> 02:35:46,395
appears to be very side state of repair. We need

2145
02:35:46,395 --> 02:35:49,515
to ask ourselves whether designation will truly preserve this building

2146
02:35:50,096 --> 02:35:53,595
or whether we are simply delaying what may ultimately be

2147
02:35:54,896 --> 02:35:58,795
its inevitable demise while imposing significant costs on a private

2148
02:35:58,896 --> 02:36:02,155
property owner in the process. If the city believes preserving

2149
02:36:02,496 --> 02:36:05,115
this property is in the public interest, then maybe it's

2150
02:36:05,216 --> 02:36:08,235
fair to ask who should bear the financial burden of

2151
02:36:08,275 --> 02:36:12,875
that decision? Should arrest entirely on the private property owner?

2152
02:36:12,875 --> 02:36:15,995
Or should the community which benefits from preserving the heritage

2153
02:36:16,096 --> 02:36:20,322
asset also be prepared to assist. I believe heritage preservation

2154
02:36:20,583 --> 02:36:24,722
works best with property owners or partners in the process,

2155
02:36:24,722 --> 02:36:27,922
not when significant costs and responsibilities are imposed on them

2156
02:36:28,023 --> 02:36:33,282
without fully understanding the consequences that is going to bestow.

2157
02:36:33,282 --> 02:36:35,522
For those reasons, I believe this matter should be referred

2158
02:36:35,543 --> 02:36:38,242
back to allow the owner of the opportunity to obtain

2159
02:36:38,503 --> 02:36:42,482
appropriate heritage expertise and to allow council to receive additional

2160
02:36:42,663 --> 02:36:47,762
information regarding the financial implications. The insurance implications, the long

2161
02:36:47,863 --> 02:36:54,402
- term viability of preserving this structure. It is inhabitable.

2162
02:36:54,442 --> 02:36:56,802
I would like to ask for recorded vote, but first

2163
02:36:56,983 --> 02:36:59,362
I would like to do a referral motion that this

2164
02:36:59,623 --> 02:37:02,642
item be referred back to staff. So the stack can

2165
02:37:02,682 --> 02:37:07,362
report back regarding the estimated financial impacts of designation on

2166
02:37:07,362 --> 02:37:11,522
the owner and also the financial impact because we know

2167
02:37:11,522 --> 02:37:15,522
that this will go to the tribunal. So the potential

2168
02:37:15,543 --> 02:37:19,442
impacts of obtaining and maintaining property insurance and also the

2169
02:37:19,463 --> 02:37:23,362
long - term structured viability and preservation potential of the

2170
02:37:23,383 --> 02:37:26,837
building. Do I have a seconder? Yes, sir. So you

2171
02:37:27,018 --> 02:37:30,477
can't, si Robinson's asked for referral back to staff. Or

2172
02:37:30,477 --> 02:37:36,114
do I have a secondary. Being done? Thank you. Uh,

2173
02:37:36,635 --> 02:37:41,254
and just to, this is where this is where Councillor

2174
02:37:41,435 --> 02:37:45,094
Butt. Councillor, you're five minutes are up. Councillor Butt supported

2175
02:37:45,094 --> 02:37:46,774
me on this on the last time. I just wanted

2176
02:37:47,755 --> 02:37:51,229
to point a clear it. Thank you for correcting. Any

2177
02:37:51,250 --> 02:38:00,535
further debate. Council Nagy five minutes. So I just got

2178
02:38:00,535 --> 02:38:04,792
a couple of questions that I wanted to pose. Is

2179
02:38:04,792 --> 02:38:10,472
particularly in regards to Councillo Robinson's debate, uh, did the

2180
02:38:10,472 --> 02:38:17,112
owner attend the meeting on at playing development committee and

2181
02:38:17,112 --> 02:38:23,153
not speak. So it's my recollection Councillor Nagy that, um,

2182
02:38:23,434 --> 02:38:26,853
that the owner had legal representative, uh, at the most

2183
02:38:26,954 --> 02:38:30,773
recent, uh, planning meeting where this was considered by Council.

2184
02:38:32,677 --> 02:38:35,216
Okay. So to the best of our recollection, the owner

2185
02:38:35,237 --> 02:38:39,181
was not given the chance to. To put their case

2186
02:38:39,282 --> 02:38:42,891
forward. They chose not to attend. The owner, I don't

2187
02:38:42,891 --> 02:38:45,571
believe how the proxy in their place. I understand they

2188
02:38:45,592 --> 02:38:49,375
had representative in their place. Okay. And is the owner

2189
02:38:49,476 --> 02:38:54,918
in attendance tonight at the meeting or this representative. Um.

2190
02:38:56,004 --> 02:38:59,663
I don't, uh, I don't see any representative currently in

2191
02:38:59,663 --> 02:39:03,429
attendance in this meeting right now. I understand. So again,

2192
02:39:04,730 --> 02:39:07,429
an opportunity to defend their case or to make their

2193
02:39:07,469 --> 02:39:12,309
case is provided and they are not taking it. The

2194
02:39:12,410 --> 02:39:15,669
owner had their legal representative represent at the planning committee

2195
02:39:15,709 --> 02:39:20,739
meeting. Understood. And they're so, but my question, sorry, is

2196
02:39:20,739 --> 02:39:23,499
about tonight's meeting. So they're not here to speak to

2197
02:39:23,499 --> 02:39:27,259
this item representative in their head to speak to this

2198
02:39:27,299 --> 02:39:29,579
item, correct? I'm not, I'm not aware that they represent

2199
02:39:29,579 --> 02:39:35,934
it tonight. Okay. Um, in regards to the concern about,

2200
02:39:35,934 --> 02:39:42,654
uh, the, the representative not being suitable for that to

2201
02:39:42,654 --> 02:39:45,134
the best of our knowledge was the consultant on behalf

2202
02:39:45,155 --> 02:39:48,766
of the owner. Imposed on them where they freely, they

2203
02:39:48,766 --> 02:39:51,006
were freely selected to represent them correct. There was no

2204
02:39:51,987 --> 02:39:55,966
implication of, of that as far as we could tell,

2205
02:39:55,966 --> 02:40:00,366
correct? So Council may recall on the February report we

2206
02:40:00,366 --> 02:40:04,606
had spoken to, um, the owner did retain a heritage

2207
02:40:04,646 --> 02:40:07,886
consultant. They were not an attendance at the P and

2208
02:40:08,067 --> 02:40:12,286
D committee meeting earlier this either occasion, March or sorry,

2209
02:40:12,286 --> 02:40:16,286
February or earlier this month. Um, that I don't believe

2210
02:40:16,547 --> 02:40:20,686
the legal representative, uh, has the planning expertise or the

2211
02:40:20,726 --> 02:40:22,446
heritage expertise to speak to that to the best of

2212
02:40:22,486 --> 02:40:28,316
my knowledge. Okay. Um, was there any confirmation of mold

2213
02:40:28,417 --> 02:40:31,116
or of a quote sad state of affair? Or is

2214
02:40:31,137 --> 02:40:34,316
that merely an assumption or conjecture? To the best of

2215
02:40:34,316 --> 02:40:36,636
our knowledge. So I think what I said at the

2216
02:40:36,676 --> 02:40:40,716
previous meeting is that, um, assessment of mold assessment of

2217
02:40:40,756 --> 02:40:47,036
structural conditions requires expertise. That's in those, those respective areas.

2218
02:40:47,036 --> 02:40:49,996
So mold, the consultants that are qualified to speak to

2219
02:40:50,036 --> 02:40:53,416
the presence of mold. They would do appropriate testing, uh,

2220
02:40:53,457 --> 02:40:56,316
to determine if the mold spores, that sort of thing

2221
02:40:56,577 --> 02:40:58,956
and make a determination. I don't, I'm not aware of

2222
02:40:58,977 --> 02:41:03,116
a report. That speaks to that. Um, and, uh, and

2223
02:41:03,137 --> 02:41:08,156
likewise with structural, um, an appropriately qualified structural consultant could,

2224
02:41:08,177 --> 02:41:13,596
could address any structural concerns and any remedial steps required.

2225
02:41:13,596 --> 02:41:17,196
So that again, requires expertise. Um, I'm just, I'm just

2226
02:41:17,217 --> 02:41:19,836
to confirm. I'm just going to ask Matthew, who's in

2227
02:41:19,836 --> 02:41:21,996
attendance evening just to confirm if we've received reports of

2228
02:41:22,017 --> 02:41:24,316
that sort. I don't believe that we have, but Matt,

2229
02:41:24,316 --> 02:41:29,997
please confirm. Yes. I can confirm that we didn't receive

2230
02:41:30,018 --> 02:41:34,849
any reports about mold or, uh, anything like that. Okay.

2231
02:41:35,430 --> 02:41:40,209
So the, all right. So, uh, hard statement of that

2232
02:41:40,230 --> 02:41:44,209
there is mold and it is a not sound building

2233
02:41:44,710 --> 02:41:50,990
is not an accurate statement to make correct. Please, Mr.

2234
02:41:50,990 --> 02:41:53,950
Mayor. No, no, no. The representative did say there was

2235
02:41:53,971 --> 02:41:57,630
mold. They had pictures showing them old. They showed the

2236
02:41:57,651 --> 02:42:00,270
staircases. And we know that it was not a professional

2237
02:42:00,771 --> 02:42:04,732
heritage person speaking. It was speculating. Come to order. Well,

2238
02:42:04,753 --> 02:42:06,972
you know what you're making all these come to order.

2239
02:42:08,833 --> 02:42:12,412
Councillor Nike is supposed to question Mr. Somerville and Mr.

2240
02:42:12,452 --> 02:42:15,212
Bentley can answer the question they don't need your interjections.

2241
02:42:16,280 --> 02:42:19,059
I'm just making it fair because the way that Mara

2242
02:42:19,160 --> 02:42:21,859
is. I don't need you to run the meeting. Sorry.

2243
02:42:22,040 --> 02:42:29,981
Is Councillor Nagy while we're in Councillor Robinson. Councillor Nagy's

2244
02:42:30,322 --> 02:42:31,981
posed a question, Mr. Bentley. Do you have an answer.

2245
02:42:35,638 --> 02:42:38,897
Uh, so I think if I understood the question correctly,

2246
02:42:38,897 --> 02:42:40,417
you're asking about whether or not there is a presence

2247
02:42:40,457 --> 02:42:46,897
of mold or structural issues. And we don't from a

2248
02:42:47,158 --> 02:42:50,737
from someone who is qualified to assess that. So, so

2249
02:42:50,777 --> 02:42:52,897
again, we want to see there have been two weeks

2250
02:42:52,918 --> 02:42:57,137
since that initial planning and development meeting was held and

2251
02:42:57,137 --> 02:42:59,537
that this has been brought to ratification if there was

2252
02:42:59,638 --> 02:43:02,257
a desire for any of that, considering there have been

2253
02:43:02,297 --> 02:43:06,928
two weeks to provide any updated. Find a personal privilege,

2254
02:43:06,928 --> 02:43:09,648
Mr. Councillor. How can you say an owner is not

2255
02:43:10,149 --> 02:43:13,088
qualified to know what there's mold in the building? Please

2256
02:43:13,109 --> 02:43:15,488
come to order. You can sell pictures though. Sir, you're

2257
02:43:15,488 --> 02:43:19,808
debating. It's not. No, it's actually ridiculous ridiculous. Councillor Dagy

2258
02:43:19,808 --> 02:43:25,194
has the floor. No, sir. Just like to address that

2259
02:43:25,194 --> 02:43:30,314
that wasn't personal privilege because that was not anything. They

2260
02:43:30,314 --> 02:43:33,695
never are. I just wanted to correct the record on

2261
02:43:33,695 --> 02:43:36,335
that. For those of us who do understand procedure to

2262
02:43:36,356 --> 02:43:42,393
make sure that that is established. Yes. Thank you. Okay.

2263
02:43:42,734 --> 02:43:50,452
Any further debate. Sorry. So to the best of our

2264
02:43:50,473 --> 02:43:55,812
knowledge from everything that we have been given to read,

2265
02:43:55,812 --> 02:43:58,052
to understand, to analyse from the experts that we have

2266
02:43:58,092 --> 02:44:03,572
on staff, this building fulfills the heritage designation that has

2267
02:44:03,572 --> 02:44:07,556
been proposed for it. Question mark. And secondary question mark.

2268
02:44:08,270 --> 02:44:12,893
Is not considered an uninhabitable building. At the time at

2269
02:44:12,933 --> 02:44:17,595
this, at this point in time. So, uh, to the

2270
02:44:17,595 --> 02:44:20,635
second question, I'm not aware that we've received any subsequent

2271
02:44:20,675 --> 02:44:24,795
reports since the planning and development committee meeting. Um, so

2272
02:44:24,896 --> 02:44:26,795
I'm not aware of any change in status that way.

2273
02:44:27,366 --> 02:44:31,585
Um, and I think staff established in the previous report,

2274
02:44:31,585 --> 02:44:35,665
um, it staff's opinion that it meets sufficient criteria to

2275
02:44:35,926 --> 02:44:42,485
merit designation. Thank you. And just one more question, sorry

2276
02:44:42,906 --> 02:44:45,045
to, and I think this, this would be more of

2277
02:44:45,085 --> 02:44:48,005
a Nile's question if he's on the call. I just

2278
02:44:48,045 --> 02:44:51,925
wanted to confirm again, as was, uh, discussed in the

2279
02:44:51,946 --> 02:44:59,231
previous meeting, the timeline of the owners, um. What's what's

2280
02:44:59,231 --> 02:45:01,871
what I'm looking for? The owner's permits that were applied

2281
02:45:02,452 --> 02:45:06,911
for to the city. So there was, I wanted to

2282
02:45:06,911 --> 02:45:11,151
confirm, was there that demolition permit, um, that had been

2283
02:45:11,191 --> 02:45:18,167
mentioned that was in 2021 or 2022. Uh, through Mayor,

2284
02:45:18,167 --> 02:45:21,287
uh, it wasn't a demolition permit. They submitted a land

2285
02:45:21,388 --> 02:45:27,047
set application to sever the property. And if these land

2286
02:45:27,047 --> 02:45:31,367
severance was granted along with minor variances, uh, then it

2287
02:45:31,367 --> 02:45:35,207
would ultimately move towards, uh, paying a demolition permit to

2288
02:45:35,228 --> 02:45:39,927
demolish the building itself. But ultimately the variances were never

2289
02:45:40,348 --> 02:45:44,567
approved because of the status of the, uh, building itself.

2290
02:45:46,227 --> 02:45:48,686
Understood. Thank you. Um, thank you for correcting the record

2291
02:45:48,787 --> 02:45:52,526
and for correcting me on that. Um, so to the

2292
02:45:52,526 --> 02:45:57,246
best of our knowledge and feel free to comment if

2293
02:45:57,246 --> 02:45:58,846
I'm overstepping on this, but to the best of our

2294
02:45:58,886 --> 02:46:04,686
knowledge, the owner's intention was always to sever the land,

2295
02:46:04,686 --> 02:46:08,908
i. e. to move towards a demolition. And they were

2296
02:46:08,948 --> 02:46:13,708
not granted that. And so that was the, that was

2297
02:46:13,708 --> 02:46:17,085
the initial intention. The initial intention was a several Land

2298
02:46:17,085 --> 02:46:21,485
Creek to another additional lot with the intention to demolish

2299
02:46:21,525 --> 02:46:24,845
the building through that process, uh, we did flag it

2300
02:46:24,866 --> 02:46:28,205
as being of a heritage significance. We did complete heritage

2301
02:46:28,245 --> 02:46:33,885
evaluations. The owner did retain a qualified heritage consultant to

2302
02:46:33,906 --> 02:46:40,585
prepare to demonstrate that it didn't meet the requirements. Our

2303
02:46:40,585 --> 02:46:44,845
staff professionals, Matthew, Summerville, who is a qualified heritage professional

2304
02:46:45,106 --> 02:46:49,165
has also reviewed the findings and completed a detailed thorough

2305
02:46:49,186 --> 02:46:52,925
analysis of how it met the criteria for the heritage

2306
02:46:52,925 --> 02:46:56,845
qualification, which airs out thoroughly outlined in the staff report.

2307
02:46:56,845 --> 02:47:00,045
We've looked at contextual value with the historical value at

2308
02:47:00,045 --> 02:47:03,485
the architectural value. And it meets the requirements of the

2309
02:47:03,525 --> 02:47:07,565
Ontario Heritage. It designated the buildings. Through this process, the

2310
02:47:07,586 --> 02:47:11,005
owners have indicated whether the building is not structurally saved

2311
02:47:11,346 --> 02:47:15,085
or have any mold. No information has been given to

2312
02:47:15,586 --> 02:47:19,085
city staff from the owners to substantiate those claims they

2313
02:47:19,125 --> 02:47:21,885
have shown select pictures if you want to say it,

2314
02:47:21,885 --> 02:47:25,165
but there is no information that's saying here it is,

2315
02:47:25,165 --> 02:47:27,725
nor there's been any petition from the owner's forest staff

2316
02:47:27,765 --> 02:47:31,565
to visit the property interior to further verify that information.

2317
02:47:31,565 --> 02:47:35,325
So we are looking at this information from, uh, the

2318
02:47:35,346 --> 02:47:39,965
information that we have, the historical information, the structural view

2319
02:47:39,965 --> 02:47:42,685
of the building from outside. And we, in our professional

2320
02:47:42,706 --> 02:47:46,045
opinion, as well as Matthew's professional thing, it meets a

2321
02:47:46,085 --> 02:47:52,279
criteria under the Ontario Heritage Draculations. Understand. So to just

2322
02:47:52,319 --> 02:47:55,159
to touch on what you said, so Steph would have

2323
02:47:55,159 --> 02:47:58,679
made themselves available to view the property personally and make

2324
02:47:58,719 --> 02:48:03,319
those determinations if that had been, if that had been,

2325
02:48:03,319 --> 02:48:04,999
we could have been able to go in, but at

2326
02:48:05,039 --> 02:48:08,119
the same time, Mathie and I are not engineers in

2327
02:48:08,119 --> 02:48:12,679
any sort of way. So without qualified professionals who are

2328
02:48:12,719 --> 02:48:17,559
qualified engineers or qualified experts in detecting mold and doing

2329
02:48:17,660 --> 02:48:23,079
the necessary stage, we can't quantify statements if you want

2330
02:48:23,079 --> 02:48:25,319
to say it, saying that this is what's in there

2331
02:48:25,580 --> 02:48:27,479
at the end of the day. So NOR has the

2332
02:48:27,479 --> 02:48:32,896
owner's prepared. Qualified reports prepared by qualified experts in substantiate

2333
02:48:32,936 --> 02:48:39,056
that information either. So we can't just, on general comments,

2334
02:48:39,056 --> 02:48:42,016
say, Hey, the building isn't a structuring safe. So we're

2335
02:48:42,016 --> 02:48:45,616
therefore demolishing. There needs to be information. And the owner

2336
02:48:45,717 --> 02:48:49,376
just had ample opportunity through this process over the last

2337
02:48:49,376 --> 02:48:52,176
couple of years to provide that information to city stack

2338
02:48:52,216 --> 02:48:57,670
as well. Understood. Thank you so much. Um, I really

2339
02:48:57,710 --> 02:49:00,630
don't want to belabor the point. So, uh, my last

2340
02:49:00,670 --> 02:49:05,590
question would be to Matthew. Just if there's a reader's

2341
02:49:05,630 --> 02:49:09,990
digest version of what happens, what we lose if we

2342
02:49:09,990 --> 02:49:16,261
do not designate this building tonight. Um, well, the designation

2343
02:49:16,682 --> 02:49:19,581
will be going forward, but it's being contestant still. So

2344
02:49:19,581 --> 02:49:25,381
there will be an OLT hearing after this. So if

2345
02:49:25,381 --> 02:49:29,621
we don't designate, uh, the process ends here, uh, and

2346
02:49:29,621 --> 02:49:32,341
then the owner would be permitted to move forward with

2347
02:49:32,341 --> 02:49:34,901
the demolition application as he would for any other regular

2348
02:49:34,922 --> 02:49:40,459
building, uh, that's not listed or, or designated. Okay. And,

2349
02:49:40,480 --> 02:49:44,099
and, but historically is more where I was, what my

2350
02:49:44,099 --> 02:49:47,899
question was. So in terms of the history, hence the

2351
02:49:48,000 --> 02:49:56,036
reader is digest. Ample history to it. Yeah. It's, it's

2352
02:49:56,057 --> 02:49:59,956
the bill of the House represents kind of the core,

2353
02:49:59,956 --> 02:50:03,716
one of the two core buildings that remain of, of,

2354
02:50:03,817 --> 02:50:07,796
of, of Fairpoint. And so it's a, uh, it's at

2355
02:50:07,796 --> 02:50:10,996
the nexus of Pleasant and Commerce. And so there is

2356
02:50:11,497 --> 02:50:14,916
a story to be told. And it's kind of the

2357
02:50:14,956 --> 02:50:19,476
last little flame of that because it there's a, there's

2358
02:50:19,476 --> 02:50:22,356
a dialogue between the two, the old store and the,

2359
02:50:22,356 --> 02:50:26,036
and the house, um, but there's an opportunity there to

2360
02:50:26,297 --> 02:50:28,996
tell a story about Fairport. And I think that there's

2361
02:50:29,017 --> 02:50:33,316
a, that the building itself, um, could be interpreted as

2362
02:50:33,356 --> 02:50:36,676
part of that larger, um, arc around the growth of

2363
02:50:36,716 --> 02:50:40,276
that community in the 1870s. Um, but, uh, that would

2364
02:50:40,276 --> 02:50:42,916
be, uh, we still haven't does anything. We still haven't

2365
02:50:42,956 --> 02:50:45,716
moved forward with the designation for commerce street. So this

2366
02:50:45,716 --> 02:50:48,836
could still happen. Um, but every little bit that you

2367
02:50:48,876 --> 02:50:51,376
take away, it kind of lowers and reduces that, uh,

2368
02:50:51,497 --> 02:50:55,789
that ability to interpret. Understood. And so with every step

2369
02:50:55,890 --> 02:50:58,109
forward, we lose a bit more of our history and

2370
02:50:58,109 --> 02:51:01,953
a bit more of what brought us here today. Thank

2371
02:51:01,953 --> 02:51:03,873
you. Thank you so much. Those are all my questions.

2372
02:51:03,873 --> 02:51:05,713
Thank you so much for the live stream. You've already

2373
02:51:05,734 --> 02:51:08,353
had your five minutes. Uh, do you want to record

2374
02:51:08,454 --> 02:51:10,648
a vote councillor. Um, well, I'd like to do a

2375
02:51:10,669 --> 02:51:13,448
referral first and I would like to have a recorded

2376
02:51:13,709 --> 02:51:16,968
OBS. I think we've already had referral motion that was,

2377
02:51:16,968 --> 02:51:18,968
uh, not have a second or so. So we're not

2378
02:51:19,069 --> 02:51:22,888
going to this referral motion is something we can get

2379
02:51:22,909 --> 02:51:26,248
a qualified professional in there to check out the, the

2380
02:51:26,269 --> 02:51:30,088
mold and the structural. We've already dealt with your referral.

2381
02:51:30,128 --> 02:51:32,248
Should there was no. This is a different referral motion,

2382
02:51:32,248 --> 02:51:34,911
Mr. Mayor. You're not going to allow me to do

2383
02:51:35,012 --> 02:51:37,391
a referral motion. No, there's going to be a secondary.

2384
02:51:37,391 --> 02:51:39,151
We're going to have a vote. We're now. Well, no,

2385
02:51:39,151 --> 02:51:42,671
let's see this second or first. We've done 11 points

2386
02:51:42,671 --> 02:51:46,110
before. Mayor. This is important. This is somebody's life. This

2387
02:51:46,131 --> 02:51:48,830
is somebody's life in their over hundreds of thousands of

2388
02:51:48,851 --> 02:51:52,190
dollars. Councillor, I'm going to unfold, I'm voting on your

2389
02:51:52,230 --> 02:51:54,030
side. That doesn't mean I'm going to drag it out

2390
02:51:54,070 --> 02:51:58,070
all night. Well, no, you don't. But you want to

2391
02:51:58,070 --> 02:52:00,758
record a vote or not. I already said I would

2392
02:52:00,758 --> 02:52:05,638
like a roof for them clerk. Can we call the

2393
02:52:05,678 --> 02:52:09,158
role on the recommendations duley moved in seconded Councillor Robinson.

2394
02:52:10,765 --> 02:52:19,780
No. Sir Brenna. Yes. Cancer Cook. Yes. Councillor Nagy. Yes.

2395
02:52:20,466 --> 02:52:25,494
Councillor Pickles. Yes. Mayor Ashe. No. Brush it. That's carried

2396
02:52:25,595 --> 02:52:29,244
four to two. Okay. Thank you. We know move to

2397
02:52:29,425 --> 02:52:32,284
new and unfinished business. I have a motion from Councillor

2398
02:52:32,945 --> 02:52:36,924
Cook and seconded by Councillor Maggie to leave to introduce

2399
02:52:38,705 --> 02:52:42,124
a motion that will be dealt with under 12. 8.

2400
02:52:42,124 --> 02:52:45,564
Candidate parking restrictions that needs two thirds majority, which in

2401
02:52:45,564 --> 02:52:48,148
this case is four. I'm going to call the question

2402
02:52:48,409 --> 02:52:53,618
to leave to introduce all those in favor. Oppose that

2403
02:52:53,719 --> 02:52:57,378
item is carried. So we'll be added to 12. 18.

2404
02:52:59,134 --> 02:53:01,673
Okay. We have 18 reports here. I'm sure we're going

2405
02:53:01,673 --> 02:53:04,713
to have to extend our curfew. Not the Councillor, some

2406
02:53:04,713 --> 02:53:07,273
councillors don't care about the time, but I do. Um,

2407
02:53:08,414 --> 02:53:13,593
the first item is, um, chief administrator officer. I'm sorry,

2408
02:53:13,633 --> 02:53:17,813
appoint a personal privilege, Mr. Mayor. No, why do you

2409
02:53:17,813 --> 02:53:19,513
behave like that? What do you make these smart ass

2410
02:53:19,614 --> 02:53:28,658
comments. How, sir, you've been asked to come to order.

2411
02:53:28,658 --> 02:53:31,778
This is your last warning. My final 18 reports will

2412
02:53:31,799 --> 02:53:34,338
go much quicker if I excuse it from the meeting.

2413
02:53:34,338 --> 02:53:36,258
And this is your final warning. You will be excused

2414
02:53:36,599 --> 02:53:43,962
your next down burst. Do you understand. Okay. So, so

2415
02:53:43,983 --> 02:53:47,696
don't be surprised when it happens. The first 12. 1

2416
02:53:48,037 --> 02:53:50,976
point of personal privilege, Mr. Mayor. That's not quite one.

2417
02:53:52,630 --> 02:53:55,329
Second move by Councillor Pickles and second by Councillor Cook.

2418
02:53:55,926 --> 02:53:59,905
Uh, we also have a consultant here, Ms. Poole and

2419
02:53:59,945 --> 02:54:04,705
Ms. Wong, uh, from Nixon Poole. They're available for questions.

2420
02:54:04,705 --> 02:54:08,465
Ms. Carpino, please introduce subject. The motion's been duly moved

2421
02:54:08,486 --> 02:54:16,257
in seculted. Thank you, Mirage. Since beginning operations in 1971,

2422
02:54:16,257 --> 02:54:21,137
the Pickering Nuclear Generating Station, or PNGS, has served as

2423
02:54:21,158 --> 02:54:25,217
a critical source of electricity currently supplying approximately 14 percent

2424
02:54:25,878 --> 02:54:30,097
of Ontario's power demands over the past 50 years, the

2425
02:54:30,198 --> 02:54:33,377
city has maintained a strong and productive working relationship with

2426
02:54:33,558 --> 02:54:38,142
OPG. As a supportive post community, our relationship has been

2427
02:54:38,403 --> 02:54:44,542
strengthened through agreements, arrangements, and the ongoing exchange and coordination

2428
02:54:44,563 --> 02:54:48,795
of information, resources, and support. All of which have delivered

2429
02:54:49,296 --> 02:54:53,983
important benefits to the residents of Pickering. For example, the

2430
02:54:54,004 --> 02:54:57,103
city has an MOU with OPG for fire protection and

2431
02:54:57,204 --> 02:55:01,503
community emergency management. The city has a license agreement with

2432
02:55:01,604 --> 02:55:05,263
OPG for the public recreational use of Kinsen Park and

2433
02:55:05,263 --> 02:55:10,063
Alex Robinson Park, Lan's owned by OPG. And the city's

2434
02:55:10,103 --> 02:55:14,623
economic development and public affair's teams were closely with OPG

2435
02:55:14,644 --> 02:55:17,983
to educate and form the community about strategic initiatives related

2436
02:55:17,983 --> 02:55:24,680
to PNGS. Consistent with this history of cooperation and collaboration,

2437
02:55:24,680 --> 02:55:27,000
Citi and OPG staff have been in discussion since early

2438
02:55:27,181 --> 02:55:34,729
2025 regarding the PNGS B refurbishment project. As Canada's largest,

2439
02:55:34,729 --> 02:55:38,089
clean energy and infrastructure project, it was important for staff

2440
02:55:38,089 --> 02:55:41,809
to understand the scope and timing of the project, as

2441
02:55:41,809 --> 02:55:46,229
well as the potential impacts on PNGS, the city, and

2442
02:55:46,229 --> 02:55:50,803
local residents and businesses. With an estimated project budget of

2443
02:55:50,984 --> 02:55:54,483
26. 8 million, the refurb project is expected to generate

2444
02:55:54,584 --> 02:55:59,123
significant benefits for figuring in the broader community, including 30,

2445
02:55:59,163 --> 02:56:03,363
000 jobs during the refurbishment period, 6, 700 jobs through

2446
02:56:03,624 --> 02:56:09,470
ongoing station operations, the strengthening of supply chain sectors. Investing

2447
02:56:09,491 --> 02:56:14,110
in high skilled trades. And most notably, securing 2, 100

2448
02:56:14,291 --> 02:56:18,430
megawatts of low carbon reliable electricity pound 2 million homes

2449
02:56:18,771 --> 02:56:23,595
and businesses across the province for another 30 years. Considering

2450
02:56:23,635 --> 02:56:28,075
that the refurable require on - site replacement, refurbishment, construction,

2451
02:56:28,075 --> 02:56:34,075
and modification activities between 2027 and 2034 staff recognise that

2452
02:56:34,075 --> 02:56:38,155
the refurb project would have local implications that would benefit

2453
02:56:38,195 --> 02:56:42,555
from a formal agreement to define responsibilities, contributions and coordination.

2454
02:56:43,521 --> 02:56:46,780
For this reason, the city and OPG staff negotiated a

2455
02:56:46,820 --> 02:56:51,740
municipal infrastructure and servicing agreement referred to as the MESA.

2456
02:56:53,149 --> 02:56:57,368
He deliverables in the MISA include, number one, OPG will

2457
02:56:57,469 --> 02:57:04,088
contribute with the design and construction of the city's new

2458
02:57:04,109 --> 02:57:07,128
fire hall number five to a maximum of 10 million

2459
02:57:07,229 --> 02:57:10,191
dollars. The new fire hall will be located the Corner

2460
02:57:10,191 --> 02:57:12,591
of Sandy Beach Road and Bailey just steps from OPG.

2461
02:57:13,572 --> 02:57:16,671
OPG has indicated that reconstructed fire hall will further enhance

2462
02:57:16,772 --> 02:57:20,831
local fire response and community safety and self - pickering,

2463
02:57:20,831 --> 02:57:26,665
including the refurbish PNGS. Number two, OPG will contribute 10

2464
02:57:26,665 --> 02:57:31,225
million dollars towards the acquisition of 591 Liverpool Road, which

2465
02:57:31,225 --> 02:57:34,985
forms part of the Pickering Harbour Company's landholdings. The city

2466
02:57:35,025 --> 02:57:39,496
is seeking to acquire from Frenchman's at Frenchman's Bay. This

2467
02:57:39,757 --> 02:57:42,696
financial commitment will be formalized through an agreement of purchase

2468
02:57:42,736 --> 02:57:47,325
and sale and terms for a licensed agreement. Both are

2469
02:57:47,346 --> 02:57:49,485
to be expected to be presented to Council in July

2470
02:57:49,586 --> 02:57:53,989
of 2026. The lands at 591 Liberal Road are currently

2471
02:57:54,029 --> 02:57:58,069
used for boat storage and supportive marina operations. And the

2472
02:57:58,109 --> 02:58:00,549
license agreement would permit the city to use these lands

2473
02:58:00,589 --> 02:58:05,345
for boat storage and public parking. OPG is seeking to

2474
02:58:05,366 --> 02:58:08,385
acquire these lands as they fall within the nuclear exclusion

2475
02:58:08,385 --> 02:58:11,946
zone. The obligations set out in the mesa will remain

2476
02:58:11,967 --> 02:58:15,386
in effect, even if the city is unsuccessful in acquiring

2477
02:58:15,426 --> 02:58:21,964
the PHC landholdings. Number three, OPG will invest approximately 60

2478
02:58:21,985 --> 02:58:26,604
million dollars to rehabilitate sandy Beach Road and reconstruct Montgomery

2479
02:58:26,625 --> 02:58:31,689
Park Road. While these road improvements will providing immediate benefits

2480
02:58:31,689 --> 02:58:35,689
to OPG, local residents and businesses and other users, they

2481
02:58:35,689 --> 02:58:39,129
will also defer the cities need to fully reconstruct CNB

2482
02:58:39,169 --> 02:58:44,249
dried by 10 years, resulting in an overall net benefit,

2483
02:58:44,249 --> 02:58:48,486
not neutral benefit to the city. OPG's financial commitment is

2484
02:58:48,667 --> 02:58:51,446
set out in the Road Servicing Agreement, approved by Council

2485
02:58:51,547 --> 02:58:55,540
in 2025. And OBG requires these roads to be rehabilitated

2486
02:58:55,561 --> 02:59:00,580
to support their reconstruction or refurbishment construction activities and deliveries.

2487
02:59:01,919 --> 02:59:06,138
Number four, OPG has confirmed its commitment to keep the

2488
02:59:06,178 --> 02:59:10,138
city financially whole from a property tax perspective during the

2489
02:59:10,399 --> 02:59:15,978
refurbishment period of 2027 to 2031 with annual indexing based

2490
02:59:15,978 --> 02:59:19,729
on the city's budget levy increases. This will help ensure

2491
02:59:20,070 --> 02:59:25,255
stable annual revenues in support of cities operating budget. Number

2492
02:59:25,516 --> 02:59:29,255
five, OPG has also confirmed its commitment to continue its

2493
02:59:29,356 --> 02:59:33,175
commute investment program through the power for change project for

2494
02:59:33,175 --> 02:59:38,037
the duration of this agreement. This initiative provides grants, awards,

2495
02:59:38,037 --> 02:59:41,773
and scholarships that support the broader community. And number six,

2496
02:59:41,954 --> 02:59:45,773
OPG has committed to providing information to local residence, businesses,

2497
02:59:45,773 --> 02:59:50,826
and stakeholders in a timely and transparent matter. Particularly with

2498
02:59:50,847 --> 02:59:54,207
respect to the refurbishment project. This includes two - way

2499
02:59:54,207 --> 02:59:58,947
communication with the city and PIC staff, uh, which will

2500
02:59:58,947 --> 03:00:04,147
be manning their information centre weekday. Every weekday, they'll have

2501
03:00:04,147 --> 03:00:07,747
a public telephone line, Project Updates via their website, social

2502
03:00:07,768 --> 03:00:13,085
media print media and outreach. It is staff's view that

2503
03:00:13,085 --> 03:00:16,765
the proposed MISA provides a necessary and appropriate framework that

2504
03:00:16,866 --> 03:00:22,365
supports a collaborative, transparent relationship with OPG. At this time,

2505
03:00:22,546 --> 03:00:25,005
staff are pleased to recommend to Council the endorsement of

2506
03:00:25,005 --> 03:00:29,271
the NISA to formalize this landmark agreement. Staff welcome any

2507
03:00:29,372 --> 03:00:32,151
questions Council may have. And we are also joined this

2508
03:00:32,172 --> 03:00:37,171
evening by Catherine Poole, partner with Nixon Kulaki LLP, and

2509
03:00:37,171 --> 03:00:41,191
Karina Wong, associate with Nixon Pool Locke LLP, who could

2510
03:00:41,212 --> 03:00:45,591
respond to questions specific to the PNGS property tax payments

2511
03:00:45,591 --> 03:00:49,191
during the refurb period as set out in the NISA.

2512
03:00:50,229 --> 03:00:59,638
Thank you. Questions of the report. Councillor Robinson. Do we

2513
03:00:59,638 --> 03:01:02,807
have a copy of that report? Pardon. Do we have

2514
03:01:02,807 --> 03:01:06,087
a copy of that report that Ms. just read out?

2515
03:01:06,508 --> 03:01:08,967
It's, uh, number 12 one.

2516
03:01:26,856 --> 03:01:34,451
It's nine pages long. With an attachment. Um, with the

2517
03:01:34,451 --> 03:01:40,541
agreement itself of 14 pages. Yes, thank you. Questions.

2518
03:01:46,216 --> 03:01:51,259
Any debate. Yeah, I do have questions. Can you just

2519
03:01:51,299 --> 03:01:52,379
give me just a moment.

2520
03:02:01,411 --> 03:02:06,314
Is this regarding the 591. Yes. Right. And how much

2521
03:02:06,655 --> 03:02:11,049
are they purchasing it for. Uh, 10 million dollars towards

2522
03:02:11,390 --> 03:02:15,726
the ultimate purchase price. And what is the actual purchase

2523
03:02:15,827 --> 03:02:24,969
price. Uh. I'm not quite sure. Is that, I mean,

2524
03:02:24,990 --> 03:02:28,009
it's publicly available. Uh, 30 million dollars for the total

2525
03:02:28,270 --> 03:02:32,451
offset. I think so. Yes. Now my question to you

2526
03:02:32,472 --> 03:02:35,811
is, I know that we were purchasing Frenchman's Bay at

2527
03:02:35,811 --> 03:02:42,156
what price. The total asset, including 591 Liverpool Road, including

2528
03:02:42,497 --> 03:02:49,656
the Lake house, including the spit, including the marina. Uh,

2529
03:02:49,697 --> 03:02:55,920
and the water lots is 30 million dollars. Right. That's

2530
03:02:55,920 --> 03:02:59,280
what I thought, but I, I, I was on MLS

2531
03:02:59,381 --> 03:03:05,200
just recently and I had actually back on May the

2532
03:03:05,461 --> 03:03:11,200
20th sent an email to, um, Ms. Carpino asking her

2533
03:03:11,861 --> 03:03:17,472
if five ninety one was included. In the, in the

2534
03:03:17,512 --> 03:03:20,992
sale price and the answer I got back was just,

2535
03:03:20,992 --> 03:03:24,352
um, yes, thanks. That was my, the only response that

2536
03:03:24,392 --> 03:03:28,882
I got back. But as looking on MLS. It shows

2537
03:03:29,143 --> 03:03:34,002
us two different listings. The one for 600 Liverpool Road

2538
03:03:34,343 --> 03:03:37,602
and then the other one for 591 liver pool road.

2539
03:03:38,760 --> 03:03:43,059
And I think the dates don't make sense in my

2540
03:03:43,059 --> 03:03:47,130
opinion when I look at the dates on MLF. Because

2541
03:03:47,631 --> 03:03:50,890
before it was all one unit. And I think they

2542
03:03:50,911 --> 03:03:53,290
were asking what was it? 60 million to start with

2543
03:03:53,330 --> 03:03:56,490
or something like that. And they started dropping the prices.

2544
03:03:56,490 --> 03:04:02,476
And then when we had decided to. Um, acquire it

2545
03:04:02,577 --> 03:04:06,883
at 30, 000 dollars. Into two parcels of land, not

2546
03:04:06,883 --> 03:04:13,383
one. So I'm really confused as to how come the

2547
03:04:13,383 --> 03:04:17,063
two different listings and they both show that their soul

2548
03:04:17,244 --> 03:04:21,143
conditional, but we're saying that it's one parcel of land.

2549
03:04:22,279 --> 03:04:25,938
So the little bit of confusion there. Okay. Well, let

2550
03:04:25,978 --> 03:04:31,538
me have Mr. Pajoni, who's our point on the transaction,

2551
03:04:31,538 --> 03:04:36,942
uh, maybe clear up something. Um, and Mr. Vijoni, I

2552
03:04:36,942 --> 03:04:42,872
don't want you to. Disclose anything that might be of

2553
03:04:42,973 --> 03:04:46,712
Social Client Privilege. And I'm not sure why the MLS

2554
03:04:47,933 --> 03:04:52,915
report or listings is relevant to the discussion today. But,

2555
03:04:52,915 --> 03:04:57,155
uh, Mr. Bentley or Mr. Bajoni, can you answer, please?

2556
03:04:57,336 --> 03:04:58,915
Well, I'll just tell you why I think it's relevant

2557
03:04:59,016 --> 03:05:02,915
is because the amount for the, for the 591 is

2558
03:05:02,955 --> 03:05:05,715
a lot more than 10 million dollars. And I understand

2559
03:05:06,056 --> 03:05:08,915
that we were going to acquire this, but we were

2560
03:05:08,915 --> 03:05:12,195
looking for federal and provincial funding to join into the

2561
03:05:12,216 --> 03:05:14,195
30, 000. So it was going to be 10, 000

2562
03:05:14,296 --> 03:05:18,595
from federal 10, 000 for provincial. And then we were

2563
03:05:18,595 --> 03:05:23,315
putting in 10 million dollars as municipal. The provincial government,

2564
03:05:23,315 --> 03:05:26,115
I believe said, no, we're not going to put it

2565
03:05:26,136 --> 03:05:29,715
in, but OPG could purchase it in their place for

2566
03:05:29,715 --> 03:05:33,235
the amount of 10 million dollars again to separate listings

2567
03:05:33,416 --> 03:05:35,955
that's listed for a lot more than 10 million dollars.

2568
03:05:35,955 --> 03:05:37,955
So I think the, and I just want to get

2569
03:05:37,976 --> 03:05:46,256
to the bottom of it. Okay. Mr. Pajoni. Again. The

2570
03:05:46,296 --> 03:05:49,936
transaction's not the subject to this report. So we're going,

2571
03:05:49,957 --> 03:05:53,216
we're colouring outside the lines here. Um, this is a

2572
03:05:53,397 --> 03:05:59,056
report in regards to contributions from OPG. But I'll allow

2573
03:05:59,056 --> 03:06:03,856
it because there is some crossover there. So, uh, Miss

2574
03:06:03,856 --> 03:06:05,696
Poole, do you want, you got your camera on or

2575
03:06:05,717 --> 03:06:11,536
Mr. Bajoni, if I may your worship, uh, Ms. Poole

2576
03:06:11,536 --> 03:06:14,896
is here with specific regard to the property tax assessment

2577
03:06:14,997 --> 03:06:19,296
provisions in the agreement that's before us. Um, not with

2578
03:06:19,336 --> 03:06:24,096
respect to the general business terms. Uh, and I like

2579
03:06:24,096 --> 03:06:27,485
to also signal a note of caution. Because the agreement

2580
03:06:27,586 --> 03:06:30,205
of purchase and sale for Frenchman's Bay is not on

2581
03:06:30,226 --> 03:06:34,285
tonight's agenda. And as, as Council well knows as a

2582
03:06:34,285 --> 03:06:38,365
subject of ongoing, uh, work on multiple fronts with multiple

2583
03:06:38,706 --> 03:06:42,285
stakeholders, uh, and it would be problematic indeed to hold

2584
03:06:42,546 --> 03:06:46,205
forth on that in this public meeting, especially since it's

2585
03:06:46,205 --> 03:06:48,725
not even on the agenda, but I can try, I

2586
03:06:48,725 --> 03:06:51,805
think, and address the Councillor's inquiries to perhaps put our

2587
03:06:51,805 --> 03:06:54,845
mind at ease so that she can consider the agreement

2588
03:06:54,845 --> 03:06:59,805
that is properly before her. Um, uh, the listings for

2589
03:06:59,845 --> 03:07:03,325
the property, or of no consequence, whatsoever to the city

2590
03:07:04,066 --> 03:07:07,165
and don't determine what the city must pay. And they

2591
03:07:07,186 --> 03:07:13,245
certainly don't determine the proper valuation or appraisal of the

2592
03:07:13,285 --> 03:07:19,245
different component parts of the Frenchmans Bay property. Um, so,

2593
03:07:19,245 --> 03:07:23,245
uh, the, uh, I'm trying to be careful here and

2594
03:07:23,245 --> 03:07:30,045
respect the confidentiality, the ongoing negotiations. But the MISA flags

2595
03:07:30,085 --> 03:07:34,285
the reference to up to 10 million dollars of OPG

2596
03:07:34,546 --> 03:07:42,245
funding, uh, four, five, nine, one. And it is, it

2597
03:07:42,245 --> 03:07:47,005
does represent, uh, the possibility of or the opportunity of

2598
03:07:47,026 --> 03:07:51,165
the provincial funding that will go to support the city's

2599
03:07:51,205 --> 03:07:55,325
overall purchase of the entire Frenchman's bay land holding from

2600
03:07:55,586 --> 03:07:59,885
Pickering Harbour Company. Um, so, uh, the intention of the

2601
03:08:00,066 --> 03:08:02,445
Misa is not to lock in those terms, but simply

2602
03:08:02,706 --> 03:08:05,165
to flag them and refer to them and cross -

2603
03:08:05,165 --> 03:08:11,165
reference them. Um, and the actual purchase terms for 591

2604
03:08:11,266 --> 03:08:15,325
liver pool will be the subject matter of a separate

2605
03:08:15,365 --> 03:08:18,765
agreement of purchase and sale between the city and OPG,

2606
03:08:18,765 --> 03:08:24,503
which is currently being negotiated. Uh, I should add finally

2607
03:08:24,543 --> 03:08:30,583
that, um, able to work with our colleague, our counterparts

2608
03:08:30,623 --> 03:08:34,183
at OPG to have content put into this, MESA making

2609
03:08:34,183 --> 03:08:37,623
it very clear that the MESA agreement that's before you

2610
03:08:37,623 --> 03:08:42,663
tonight has not conditioned along or terminates based on the

2611
03:08:42,764 --> 03:08:46,663
success or not of the negotiations with OPG for its

2612
03:08:46,924 --> 03:08:51,383
proposed purchase of 591 Liverpool. It's a separate and parallel

2613
03:08:51,564 --> 03:08:56,402
transaction. Thank you. I hope that that provides some clarity.

2614
03:08:57,124 --> 03:09:01,850
Thank you, Mr. Bijoni. Um, that's it for my questions

2615
03:09:01,871 --> 03:09:09,521
for now. Thank you. Thank you. Any further questions. Okay.

2616
03:09:09,542 --> 03:09:17,361
Debate. I need to be. I'm going to turn the

2617
03:09:17,401 --> 03:09:24,101
debate. Um, I want to, um, congratulate staff. For this

2618
03:09:24,362 --> 03:09:31,941
groundbreaking commitment. Uh, and commend OPG for their partnership with

2619
03:09:32,442 --> 03:09:37,842
the municipality. As a member of the, um, Canadian host

2620
03:09:37,863 --> 03:09:43,522
nuclear communities, I can tell you that these, uh, negotiations

2621
03:09:44,663 --> 03:09:51,762
are discussed at these meetings. Um, and, um, the, the,

2622
03:09:51,802 --> 03:09:56,962
the municipality tried to call it one thing, um, and

2623
03:09:57,783 --> 03:10:00,722
OPG resisted. And we've come up with a municipal infrastructure

2624
03:10:01,703 --> 03:10:07,122
and servicing agreement. And the dollar figure is a 35,

2625
03:10:07,122 --> 03:10:14,202
36 million plus, which is remarkable partnership between OPG. As

2626
03:10:14,202 --> 03:10:19,762
the CAO quite rightly pointed out, they've been a partner

2627
03:10:19,783 --> 03:10:23,982
of ours in our city, uh, over 50 years, uh,

2628
03:10:24,183 --> 03:10:31,662
providing clean, uh, carbon free power to the grid, uh,

2629
03:10:31,943 --> 03:10:35,602
14 for currently 14 percent of the power of the

2630
03:10:35,703 --> 03:10:40,402
province is generated at Pickre Nicola. Uh, on the refurb,

2631
03:10:40,402 --> 03:10:44,562
there will be enhanced inputs from about 2000 megawatts to

2632
03:10:44,602 --> 03:10:47,682
about 2, 100 megawatts, which will at the time be

2633
03:10:47,783 --> 03:10:52,402
about 10 percent of the power that's being generated across

2634
03:10:52,503 --> 03:10:57,842
the province. And enough to power 2. 2 million homes,

2635
03:10:57,842 --> 03:11:00,882
um, as we continue to grow as a municipality as

2636
03:11:00,882 --> 03:11:04,542
a region, as well. So, uh, I, I, I, uh,

2637
03:11:05,063 --> 03:11:10,162
full hardy support, uh, the remarkable achievement that we've been

2638
03:11:10,202 --> 03:11:15,122
able to achieve. Um, and, uh, I, um, commend the

2639
03:11:15,122 --> 03:11:20,882
CAO, the finance team, uh, our legal, um, team as

2640
03:11:20,882 --> 03:11:24,462
well as our outside council in this regard. And, um,

2641
03:11:24,583 --> 03:11:27,842
I fully support the recommendation. And I think we'll be

2642
03:11:27,842 --> 03:11:31,362
the envious, some other host communities, uh, when this becomes

2643
03:11:31,383 --> 03:11:35,802
public later today. So with that, um, I'm going to

2644
03:11:35,802 --> 03:11:38,562
ask recorded vote, please. Madam Clerk, we call the role.

2645
03:11:41,319 --> 03:11:49,339
Councillor Brenner. Yes. Councillor Cook. Yes. Councillor Nike. Yes. Answer

2646
03:11:49,379 --> 03:11:58,020
Pickles. Yes. Councillor Robinson. This just has to do with

2647
03:11:58,041 --> 03:12:00,320
the agreement, not with a sale or anything, right, Mr.

2648
03:12:00,320 --> 03:12:06,568
Mayor? Correct. Then yes. They're asked. Yes. You worship that's

2649
03:12:06,608 --> 03:12:11,448
carrot unanimously. Thank you. The next report is the milestone

2650
03:12:11,488 --> 03:12:13,768
report number five on Dorsey Community Centre. It's moved by

2651
03:12:13,808 --> 03:12:16,842
Councillor Pickles. Thank you. We cancer Cook. Questions or debate.

2652
03:12:19,424 --> 03:12:24,778
Councillor Nagy. Good question. I was just going to, I

2653
03:12:24,778 --> 03:12:26,978
was going to ask for five minute recess, but I

2654
03:12:26,978 --> 03:12:29,538
can do that. Okay. Let's, let's do that after this.

2655
03:12:29,642 --> 03:12:33,301
So we're going to call, call the, um, question all

2656
03:12:33,301 --> 03:12:37,773
those in favor. That motion, um, is carried. And we're

2657
03:12:37,773 --> 03:12:38,973
going to take a five minute recess.

2658
03:18:02,146 --> 03:18:05,805
I can certify the attendance of all councillors saving except

2659
03:18:05,805 --> 03:18:10,052
for Councillor Nagy and Councillor But. Oh, there she is.

2660
03:18:10,073 --> 03:18:13,092
I can certify the time, so I'll remember that cancer

2661
03:18:13,273 --> 03:18:15,892
button. Okay, folks, we still have 16 reports to go

2662
03:18:17,353 --> 03:18:22,614
and our curfew is in 55 minutes. Next item is

2663
03:18:22,795 --> 03:18:28,134
12. 3. The accessibility advisory committee automatic door reliability is

2664
03:18:28,155 --> 03:18:35,529
moved by Councillor Cook, second by Councillor Nicky questions. Be.

2665
03:18:37,146 --> 03:18:38,805
That I'm going to call the question all in favor.

2666
03:18:39,406 --> 03:18:44,345
Oppose that items carry. Next item is the appointment and

2667
03:18:44,385 --> 03:18:47,145
lobbyist registered for the next term of office. Let's move

2668
03:18:47,145 --> 03:18:51,980
by Councillor Brenner. And second of my Councillor Nagy. Questions.

2669
03:18:57,849 --> 03:19:06,161
Robinson, you get the floor. My first question is, why

2670
03:19:06,161 --> 03:19:09,221
is principles integrity not continuing on as the city integrity's

2671
03:19:09,221 --> 03:19:13,861
commissioner? Did they choose to retire, close their municipal integrity

2672
03:19:13,962 --> 03:19:18,021
practice, decline to continue, or were there other reasons where.

2673
03:19:18,123 --> 03:19:24,544
They have to. Madam Clerk, can you speak to your

2674
03:19:24,584 --> 03:19:28,704
recommendation and what occurred and what have occurred if they

2675
03:19:28,744 --> 03:19:31,726
were still in the business. Thank you, worships, for you

2676
03:19:31,726 --> 03:19:34,846
to Councillor Robinson. We did do a joint RFP with

2677
03:19:34,886 --> 03:19:37,966
the region and the call out. We did receive a

2678
03:19:38,006 --> 03:19:41,406
submission from principles integrity. And then as we were going

2679
03:19:41,406 --> 03:19:43,726
through the process, we received notice that they would no

2680
03:19:43,726 --> 03:19:48,766
longer be doing services in 2027 because they were retiring.

2681
03:19:52,636 --> 03:19:56,515
Okay, so I mean, I had heard some rumours. Are

2682
03:19:56,515 --> 03:19:59,815
they retiring or were they being asked to step down

2683
03:19:59,996 --> 03:20:02,135
and retire? Do we know the answers to that? Because

2684
03:20:02,156 --> 03:20:05,935
I know like a couple of the mayors, I can't

2685
03:20:05,935 --> 03:20:07,895
remember where right now, but I know that he had

2686
03:20:07,996 --> 03:20:13,855
mentioned that he would be retiring them as well. So

2687
03:20:13,855 --> 03:20:18,124
I'm just wondering. Through your worship, that's a Robinson, the

2688
03:20:18,124 --> 03:20:22,909
integrity commissioner is an independent body. They're not hired, they're

2689
03:20:22,909 --> 03:20:25,949
not told whether to act or not. They decided to

2690
03:20:25,970 --> 03:20:29,389
retire and provided written notice to their clients that they

2691
03:20:29,389 --> 03:20:33,789
would no longer be providing integrity services. As of 2027.

2692
03:20:35,068 --> 03:20:36,867
Okay, no, I was just wondering if like, you know,

2693
03:20:36,988 --> 03:20:40,807
the abudsman, for example, had asked them to close their

2694
03:20:40,988 --> 03:20:43,367
door or something if they knew of anything like that.

2695
03:20:43,367 --> 03:20:46,007
Okay. Um, how much money has the city of Pickering

2696
03:20:46,268 --> 03:20:49,767
paid integrity principles integrity over the last four years, including

2697
03:20:49,788 --> 03:20:54,727
all the investigations, the reports, the training, the legal opinions,

2698
03:20:54,727 --> 03:20:57,266
all related services? Do we have a final number. I

2699
03:20:57,266 --> 03:21:01,666
do not have that final number with me tonight. Okay.

2700
03:21:01,706 --> 03:21:07,266
Do we know what principles integrities hourly rates are? I

2701
03:21:07,306 --> 03:21:16,553
believe 239 dollars an hour. 239 dollars an

2702
03:21:16,553 --> 03:21:22,473
hour. And the new integrity commissioner, um, what are their

2703
03:21:22,473 --> 03:21:25,465
rates for hour. It's within the agreement and the report

2704
03:21:25,806 --> 03:21:27,945
councillor. I have to pull it up here and have

2705
03:21:27,985 --> 03:21:30,257
a look at that. Yeah, that's what I was asking

2706
03:21:30,438 --> 03:21:31,617
you to pull it up. So I didn't have to.

2707
03:21:34,605 --> 03:21:37,384
I think it was like 350 dollars an hour and

2708
03:21:37,384 --> 03:21:40,024
I think maybe if it was an assistant or somebody

2709
03:21:40,125 --> 03:21:46,344
that was there, I think the issue is the nature

2710
03:21:46,845 --> 03:21:51,224
of the services provided by the near integrity commissioner had

2711
03:21:51,264 --> 03:21:56,184
different levels because they had senior partners junior partners and

2712
03:21:56,224 --> 03:22:01,671
associates. So this, I remember that because it was discussed

2713
03:22:01,852 --> 03:22:09,146
that, um, uh, at regional council as well. Okay. Um.

2714
03:22:09,225 --> 03:22:12,004
So here my next question is why is, why are

2715
03:22:12,004 --> 03:22:14,644
we as this Council of pointing the integrity commissioner for

2716
03:22:14,684 --> 03:22:20,944
the next term of Council before for them? Like, and

2717
03:22:20,944 --> 03:22:22,804
again, will they be able to get out of the

2718
03:22:22,905 --> 03:22:25,284
agreement if they want to get out of the agreement?

2719
03:22:25,385 --> 03:22:29,524
Will they be able to possibly interview and have an

2720
03:22:29,524 --> 03:22:32,404
integrity commissioner that they might like since they will debut

2721
03:22:32,404 --> 03:22:35,444
the ones who will be, you know, overseen the new

2722
03:22:35,484 --> 03:22:40,129
council. Banker. Prior to me answering that question. I just

2723
03:22:40,129 --> 03:22:42,689
want to go back to your prior question. Councillo Robinson.

2724
03:22:42,689 --> 03:22:45,809
I just had pulled up here. Principal's integrity charged just

2725
03:22:46,070 --> 03:22:51,123
275 dollars an hour. And the contract that's in front

2726
03:22:51,123 --> 03:22:54,323
of us tonight for the proposed integrity commissioners on a

2727
03:22:54,424 --> 03:22:59,879
tiered schedule. Uh, for Mr. Bogozian, who is the main

2728
03:22:59,919 --> 03:23:06,342
partner of the firm. It's 350 dollars an hour. Level

2729
03:23:06,363 --> 03:23:09,142
employees. And depending on that level, some are paid at

2730
03:23:09,323 --> 03:23:16,246
260 dollars an hour. And as far as your question

2731
03:23:16,286 --> 03:23:19,126
about, uh, The Entery Commissioner, the contract with our current

2732
03:23:19,147 --> 03:23:22,006
integrity commissioner only goes until the end of the term.

2733
03:23:22,006 --> 03:23:23,926
And under the municipal, we are required to have an

2734
03:23:23,926 --> 03:23:26,846
integrity commissioner. So in order to fulfill those requirements, we

2735
03:23:26,907 --> 03:23:30,086
have to do a new contract with an integrity commissioner

2736
03:23:30,347 --> 03:23:34,073
now so that the gap there. However, there are clauses

2737
03:23:34,094 --> 03:23:36,553
within the agreement, which is attached to the report that

2738
03:23:36,593 --> 03:23:40,453
gives the city and the, uh, integrity commissioner themselves, the

2739
03:23:40,453 --> 03:23:42,986
ability to get out of that contract. So Council would

2740
03:23:43,026 --> 03:23:44,826
have that authority to do that in the new term

2741
03:23:44,847 --> 03:23:47,635
if they chose to do so. Oh, okay. So there's

2742
03:23:47,635 --> 03:23:49,455
not certain reasons that they can get out of the

2743
03:23:49,496 --> 03:23:51,875
contract. Just if they feel that they want to be

2744
03:23:51,875 --> 03:23:56,995
able to interview other integrity commissioners or get the contract

2745
03:23:56,995 --> 03:23:59,235
for that, or what are the reasons that the city

2746
03:23:59,235 --> 03:24:03,477
can get out of the contract. Uh, I don't believe

2747
03:24:03,578 --> 03:24:08,117
that it is, uh, speculated, or sorry, stipulated. It says,

2748
03:24:08,117 --> 03:24:10,677
unless it's terminated earlier in accordance with the terms of

2749
03:24:10,677 --> 03:24:15,237
the contract. And under those terms, I believe it's just,

2750
03:24:15,237 --> 03:24:19,557
um, mutual notice actually by either party. So they have

2751
03:24:19,658 --> 03:24:21,877
the ability to get out of it. The city has

2752
03:24:21,898 --> 03:24:25,110
the ability to get out of it. Okay. Great. So

2753
03:24:25,211 --> 03:24:28,210
they shouldn't have a problem if they wanted to. Um,

2754
03:24:28,210 --> 03:24:31,350
the report indicates that this firm also provides services to

2755
03:24:31,611 --> 03:24:37,030
numerous municipalities, including some of the enduram region and also

2756
03:24:37,451 --> 03:24:41,350
during region itself. Could you tell me what other municipalities.

2757
03:24:42,204 --> 03:24:45,463
Are using? So we did it. We did this joint

2758
03:24:45,564 --> 03:24:49,863
venture with the region so that we, um, undertake the

2759
03:24:50,044 --> 03:24:52,343
process with them. It was a savings to the city

2760
03:24:52,383 --> 03:24:56,460
to do that. Uh, so the region has appointed them.

2761
03:24:56,460 --> 03:24:58,380
And as well as the city of Oshawa, the city

2762
03:24:58,420 --> 03:25:01,900
of Whitby, uh, Ajax already is in midway through a

2763
03:25:01,900 --> 03:25:03,980
different contract. So they didn't take part of the joint

2764
03:25:04,020 --> 03:25:08,241
recruitment. Uh, and I believe municipality of Clarington was also

2765
03:25:08,342 --> 03:25:11,281
looking to appoint them, but I don't have a confirmation

2766
03:25:11,321 --> 03:25:15,118
that they've done that yet. Okay. Um, only a couple

2767
03:25:15,118 --> 03:25:17,598
more questions. And I'm done. Does Stouff see any concerns

2768
03:25:17,619 --> 03:25:21,758
at all regarding independence or perceive conflicts or public confidence

2769
03:25:22,099 --> 03:25:27,678
with all of, well, a lot of Durham municipalities all

2770
03:25:27,718 --> 03:25:34,003
using the same integrity commissioner. No, there's actually. Some benefit

2771
03:25:34,003 --> 03:25:36,323
to that, especially when you have regional members. So you

2772
03:25:36,323 --> 03:25:39,203
have the same integrity commissioner looking at codes and it's

2773
03:25:39,243 --> 03:25:41,843
more consistent, if you will, for members to have the

2774
03:25:41,883 --> 03:25:46,161
same integrity commissioner at both levels. Okay. When we put

2775
03:25:46,182 --> 03:25:50,241
out the RFP, I guess how many firm supplied was

2776
03:25:50,241 --> 03:25:52,721
it only three? Did I read in the report? Pre

2777
03:25:52,761 --> 03:25:55,851
- commissions. That's correct. So the other one was principles

2778
03:25:55,952 --> 03:26:01,751
integrity. And what did we base this integrity commissioner, um,

2779
03:26:02,592 --> 03:26:06,651
getting our business? Or was it predominantly because we wanted

2780
03:26:06,691 --> 03:26:09,211
to use the same and make it all uniformed with

2781
03:26:09,251 --> 03:26:14,632
the region of Durham and the other Dura Municipalities. Well,

2782
03:26:14,672 --> 03:26:17,272
the RP would have asked them to provide submissions based

2783
03:26:17,272 --> 03:26:21,507
on experience based on, um. How long they've been doing

2784
03:26:21,528 --> 03:26:23,827
it, things like that. So they would have been asked

2785
03:26:23,848 --> 03:26:26,547
those questions and had to provide submissions as part of

2786
03:26:26,587 --> 03:26:30,387
that RFP process, which all three firms did. And then

2787
03:26:30,387 --> 03:26:33,587
they were scored based on their answers and the presentations

2788
03:26:33,587 --> 03:26:37,952
that they had to provide. And as I, in the

2789
03:26:37,952 --> 03:26:41,632
report, sorry, the principal's integrity and this particular firm being

2790
03:26:41,672 --> 03:26:45,712
recommended was tied. So had we not received the termination

2791
03:26:45,813 --> 03:26:49,552
notice from principles integrity, we would have recommended them again.

2792
03:26:50,671 --> 03:26:55,210
Okay. Great. Thank you. Um, I think that's all of

2793
03:26:55,210 --> 03:26:58,410
my questions for now. Thank you. Thank you Councillor Nagy

2794
03:26:58,591 --> 03:27:03,545
over. My only question was going to be, why not

2795
03:27:03,566 --> 03:27:08,520
principles integrity? So thank you. Or why, why were they

2796
03:27:08,560 --> 03:27:11,800
committed? I think they, that question's been asking in post.

2797
03:27:11,800 --> 03:27:14,360
Absolutely. The motion's been duly moved in second. I don't

2798
03:27:14,400 --> 03:27:16,680
see any further debate. So I'm going to call the

2799
03:27:16,680 --> 03:27:21,444
question. All of them favor post that item is carried.

2800
03:27:21,625 --> 03:27:25,039
Next item off 0. 5. Sorry. Can I ask for

2801
03:27:25,039 --> 03:27:30,748
a recorded vote on the previous item. Sure. Um. That's

2802
03:27:30,769 --> 03:27:34,348
an order. Um, Councillor Nige is asked for recorded vote

2803
03:27:34,369 --> 03:27:38,748
in regards to the appointment of the integrity commissioner. Madam

2804
03:27:38,769 --> 03:27:43,791
Kirkley called a role, please. Councillor Nagy. Yes. Councillor Pickles.

2805
03:27:45,957 --> 03:27:55,634
Yes. Councillor Robinson? Yes. Councillor Brenner? Yes. Councillor Cook. Yes.

2806
03:27:56,380 --> 03:28:02,358
Mayor Ash. Yes. You worship that scary unanimously. Thank you.

2807
03:28:02,379 --> 03:28:05,398
Next item moved by Councillor Pickles. Second up by Councillor

2808
03:28:05,438 --> 03:28:10,405
Cook. License agreement for space at the Dr. Tomlinson Community

2809
03:28:10,445 --> 03:28:14,245
Centre between City Pickering and the Claremont Golden Age Seniors

2810
03:28:14,285 --> 03:28:20,617
Club. Questions for debate. Being done. I'm going to call

2811
03:28:20,617 --> 03:28:24,057
the question, Niles in favor. Opposed atoms carry. The next

2812
03:28:24,158 --> 03:28:26,377
standard is moved by Caster Nagy and second by Councillor

2813
03:28:26,417 --> 03:28:29,897
Cook in regards to a memorial plaque in the name

2814
03:28:29,897 --> 03:28:37,737
of Stephen Stats at Lin Park's Lynn Heights Parks. Questions.

2815
03:28:40,204 --> 03:28:46,997
Debate. Councillor Nagy. Thank you. Um, it was very important

2816
03:28:47,098 --> 03:28:50,997
to me that, uh, that I moved this item tonight.

2817
03:28:50,997 --> 03:28:56,357
I had the opportunity to work and talk extensively with,

2818
03:28:56,357 --> 03:29:01,277
uh, with Steve all throughout my term of Council. He

2819
03:29:01,498 --> 03:29:04,117
was one of the first people who, uh, who reached

2820
03:29:04,157 --> 03:29:06,117
out to me to say, all right, let's, let's get

2821
03:29:06,157 --> 03:29:08,757
moving. Let's get working on this. And it took a

2822
03:29:08,797 --> 03:29:12,597
very long time for, uh, for him and I to

2823
03:29:12,637 --> 03:29:18,517
get the sidewalks dealt with at Linnhytes Park. And Lynn

2824
03:29:18,557 --> 03:29:20,517
Heights as well as other streets or sorry, other parks

2825
03:29:21,418 --> 03:29:24,037
were part of a pilot project that we ran over

2826
03:29:24,058 --> 03:29:28,917
the winter, um, just now. And, uh, to my H2,

2827
03:29:28,917 --> 03:29:32,997
I understand was a very successful pilot project. And it

2828
03:29:33,037 --> 03:29:36,997
was very upsetting and a real shock to me when

2829
03:29:37,738 --> 03:29:43,898
Steve passed. And he was keeping me updated with his

2830
03:29:43,938 --> 03:29:47,160
progress. And I was a big fan of Steve's. So

2831
03:29:47,160 --> 03:29:51,200
I'm in, sorry, full support of this. And I sincerely

2832
03:29:51,240 --> 03:29:56,276
hope that it passes unanimously. Thank you. Uh, seeing no

2833
03:29:56,316 --> 03:29:58,116
for the debate. I'm going to call the question all's

2834
03:29:58,156 --> 03:30:01,073
in favor. Opposed that I have secured the next item

2835
03:30:01,094 --> 03:30:04,033
is 12. 7 supply and installation of audio visual systems

2836
03:30:04,134 --> 03:30:08,596
at George and Community Centre moved by Councillor Pickles. Second

2837
03:30:08,596 --> 03:30:16,984
and by Councillor Cook questions. Councillor Robinson. Yeah. I just

2838
03:30:17,024 --> 03:30:20,744
have one question. Why is the cost so high for

2839
03:30:20,765 --> 03:30:28,490
the audio visual system. Uh, Vince, you're still here. I

2840
03:30:28,490 --> 03:30:33,074
guess that's up your. Mr. Poof. Thank you for the

2841
03:30:33,114 --> 03:30:37,394
question councillor through the chair. Uh, it's a complex combination

2842
03:30:37,434 --> 03:30:41,314
of different systems, not only including the projectors, uh, but

2843
03:30:41,415 --> 03:30:44,354
the various components that tie into the connection of the

2844
03:30:44,394 --> 03:30:47,314
speaker arrays, all the wiring and controls that go with

2845
03:30:47,354 --> 03:30:53,234
that, uh, it's not simply a single projector. It's a

2846
03:30:53,335 --> 03:30:56,754
full panoramic display on three walls in the art gallery

2847
03:30:57,015 --> 03:30:59,314
at the new door state community centre. And so it's

2848
03:30:59,415 --> 03:31:03,234
quite an elaborate system. Um, we had explored multiple avenues

2849
03:31:03,415 --> 03:31:05,074
to see what we could do to bring that cost

2850
03:31:05,095 --> 03:31:08,909
down. And this was the best approach. Did we have

2851
03:31:08,930 --> 03:31:12,589
different proposals come in from different people? Or was I

2852
03:31:12,589 --> 03:31:14,349
believe it's outlined in the, in the report as to

2853
03:31:14,349 --> 03:31:16,989
how many proposals we actually received. We had attempted to

2854
03:31:16,989 --> 03:31:20,189
go through as potentially doing this through the general contractor

2855
03:31:20,210 --> 03:31:22,909
who's building the building. And we felt their cost was

2856
03:31:22,949 --> 03:31:25,789
too high and chose to run a public process instead.

2857
03:31:29,208 --> 03:31:33,827
Okay. And, and did we get a breakdown with that?

2858
03:31:33,867 --> 03:31:35,747
Is there a breakdown of the amounts? Like how much

2859
03:31:35,928 --> 03:31:38,867
is allocated for White to bring us up to that

2860
03:31:38,888 --> 03:31:42,578
amount of money. Uh, no, it was a lump sum

2861
03:31:42,618 --> 03:31:48,087
price. Lump sum price. Okay. So is there a possibil

2862
03:31:49,228 --> 03:31:52,247
way to get the breakdown of how much everything is

2863
03:31:52,247 --> 03:31:57,508
costing. Or we're finalised on this price. This is where

2864
03:31:57,548 --> 03:32:03,467
we're going. We will itemize list. Uh, we can request

2865
03:32:03,507 --> 03:32:07,227
that after award councillor, but, um, it wasn't part of

2866
03:32:07,267 --> 03:32:10,907
the process that was included in the procurement to request

2867
03:32:11,008 --> 03:32:16,323
that information. Okay. I just, I just find that odd

2868
03:32:16,344 --> 03:32:18,483
that we wouldn't have an itemized list on how much

2869
03:32:18,744 --> 03:32:22,703
things cost and we're just going by lump sums. And

2870
03:32:22,703 --> 03:32:26,643
what is the total cost of this again? 394, 000

2871
03:32:26,984 --> 03:32:32,771
budget 700, 000. So we're spending over 300. And what

2872
03:32:32,792 --> 03:32:38,098
Mr. Mayor, how much 38, 000 under budget. That's an

2873
03:32:38,098 --> 03:32:43,855
under budget. 394. Yeah. 394. That's, uh, that's a lot

2874
03:32:43,855 --> 03:32:46,435
of money to be spending on a system without having

2875
03:32:46,696 --> 03:32:51,315
an itemized list of what we're going to provide some

2876
03:32:51,355 --> 03:32:55,561
clarification. For that. Gibbs. Sure. I just wanted to provide

2877
03:32:55,601 --> 03:32:59,441
some clarification. We did receive four bids on this. So

2878
03:32:59,441 --> 03:33:03,881
we, this is a competitive price. And the bidder did

2879
03:33:03,921 --> 03:33:09,561
provide very detailed list of all of the equipment that

2880
03:33:09,561 --> 03:33:13,001
they would be providing as, as, uh, as Vince mentioned.

2881
03:33:13,001 --> 03:33:16,761
So, um, there is a comparison between what the different

2882
03:33:17,262 --> 03:33:20,601
proponents we're offering. And so they offer different systems that

2883
03:33:21,022 --> 03:33:23,961
were part of their bid. And so we believe that

2884
03:33:24,062 --> 03:33:31,641
this system is the best quality, the best, um, for

2885
03:33:33,342 --> 03:33:36,705
the bidding price. So it was a competitive process. It

2886
03:33:36,705 --> 03:33:40,105
went through the full committee. And, uh, it is based

2887
03:33:40,145 --> 03:33:44,025
on, um, a number of different criteria. So it is,

2888
03:33:44,025 --> 03:33:47,385
it is quite a competitive bid. And, um, these systems

2889
03:33:48,126 --> 03:33:52,745
will allow the gallery to be used for, um, rentals

2890
03:33:52,846 --> 03:33:57,865
to be used by the community, be used by artists.

2891
03:33:57,865 --> 03:34:01,465
And so it is, it was thoroughly, uh, thoroughly vetted

2892
03:34:01,465 --> 03:34:05,705
before being brought before council. So we were giving that

2893
03:34:05,726 --> 03:34:08,185
we were given an itemized list or we weren't giving

2894
03:34:08,446 --> 03:34:12,474
an itemized list. We were given an itemized list, but

2895
03:34:12,675 --> 03:34:16,094
each, each, uh, each piece of equipment wasn't given a

2896
03:34:16,094 --> 03:34:20,414
specific price. So there we were able to compare the

2897
03:34:20,515 --> 03:34:24,014
different bids based on what package would they provided to

2898
03:34:24,014 --> 03:34:27,774
us and the exact equipment and has been, has Vince

2899
03:34:27,795 --> 03:34:32,094
mentioned the services they would provide. So, you know, the

2900
03:34:32,134 --> 03:34:35,880
wiring, the setup, all of that kind of thing. So

2901
03:34:36,221 --> 03:34:39,620
it was, we were able to compare the different, uh,

2902
03:34:39,661 --> 03:34:43,453
the different bits. Can you just go over what those

2903
03:34:43,474 --> 03:34:51,401
would be in that. Councillor, you've asked a question. The

2904
03:34:51,401 --> 03:34:54,301
question's been posed under our procedural bilefist. If you have

2905
03:34:54,482 --> 03:34:57,261
questions, you're supposed to post them to staff. Uh, this

2906
03:34:57,522 --> 03:35:02,981
is again, a delay in moving the items for, we

2907
03:35:03,122 --> 03:35:07,261
still have an 11 reports in the next 39 minutes.

2908
03:35:07,261 --> 03:35:10,541
So, uh, I'm sure that we can get through all

2909
03:35:10,581 --> 03:35:14,061
those reports. I've only got questions for two, I think,

2910
03:35:14,061 --> 03:35:16,301
but I mean, I mean, first we were told there

2911
03:35:16,301 --> 03:35:18,541
was no itemized listing now. We have kind of an

2912
03:35:18,562 --> 03:35:20,701
itemized list. So I just kind of wanted to know

2913
03:35:21,362 --> 03:35:24,229
what, what is on that list. Cause it's not in

2914
03:35:24,229 --> 03:35:25,749
the agenda. I mean, that's a lot of money. We're

2915
03:35:25,770 --> 03:35:29,509
spending through over 394, I mean, almost, it's almost as

2916
03:35:29,530 --> 03:35:32,637
much as we spend on the integrity commissioner. Again, Mr.

2917
03:35:32,658 --> 03:35:39,641
Mayor. Ash. Wanted to make a clear point of clarification

2918
03:35:40,382 --> 03:35:44,281
and a comment. Number one, the responses were not in

2919
03:35:44,281 --> 03:35:48,361
dispute with each other. Vince indicated there wasn't a list,

2920
03:35:48,361 --> 03:35:51,801
which I understood to include specific line item prices for

2921
03:35:51,841 --> 03:35:55,861
each. And Laura Gibbs had essentially indicated the same. The

2922
03:35:55,861 --> 03:35:58,521
list did not include line item prices for each. That

2923
03:35:58,622 --> 03:36:02,201
being said, I do encourage members of Council who have

2924
03:36:02,382 --> 03:36:06,841
specific material questions of this nature to provide them in

2925
03:36:06,841 --> 03:36:09,561
advance to staff. So we can come prepare to the

2926
03:36:09,582 --> 03:36:13,401
meetings to be able to provide responses to those questions.

2927
03:36:13,401 --> 03:36:17,916
Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So we're not prepared to

2928
03:36:18,097 --> 03:36:23,116
answer what we're spending the money on. Is that report?

2929
03:36:23,116 --> 03:36:26,636
The report is quite clear. It's a audio visual sound

2930
03:36:26,676 --> 03:36:29,916
system. Uh, if you want to follow the rules of

2931
03:36:29,916 --> 03:36:31,996
procedure, you would have had that opportunity to get that

2932
03:36:32,036 --> 03:36:35,516
information given to you tonight. Invite you to follow up

2933
03:36:35,537 --> 03:36:38,956
after the fact. But we're not keeping going on this.

2934
03:36:38,956 --> 03:36:44,232
Um, so there's no to vote on. I'm going to

2935
03:36:44,232 --> 03:36:46,712
have a recorded vote, please, Madam Clerk. I'm going to

2936
03:36:46,712 --> 03:36:50,592
call a role Councillor Robinson vote. No, please vote no.

2937
03:36:53,419 --> 03:36:56,358
Clerk. Do you really think that this is really becoming

2938
03:36:56,539 --> 03:36:59,478
of a mayor the way that you behave, the way

2939
03:36:59,518 --> 03:37:03,878
that you? Well, Councillor, I've asked you more than one

2940
03:37:03,899 --> 03:37:06,118
account. So we're going to exclude you from the rest

2941
03:37:06,139 --> 03:37:08,258
of the meetings. We won't have to worry about, uh,

2942
03:37:09,419 --> 03:37:13,878
your debate moving forward. Well, I would like to. You're

2943
03:37:13,878 --> 03:37:19,993
done. Clerk. Can we call the role excluding Councillor Robinson?

2944
03:37:19,993 --> 03:37:23,617
She's then excluded for not following the rules. Councillor Brenner.

2945
03:37:24,379 --> 03:37:32,597
Yes. Councillor Cook. Yes, please. Councillor Nike. Yes. Councillor Pickles.

2946
03:37:33,784 --> 03:37:38,561
Yes. Mare Ash. Yes. Next item is a temporary license

2947
03:37:38,601 --> 03:37:44,961
agreement for use of Rotary Referentius Bay. And Rouge Canoe

2948
03:37:44,961 --> 03:37:48,401
Club moved by Councillor Brenner. Second by Councillor Pickles questions.

2949
03:37:50,606 --> 03:37:54,825
Um, I have a comment. I want to thank staff

2950
03:37:56,046 --> 03:38:00,265
for, um, quickly dealing with this issue, um, the Rouge

2951
03:38:00,606 --> 03:38:03,625
Pickering Rouge Club lost their ability to have their camps

2952
03:38:03,886 --> 03:38:07,065
at the mouth of the Rouge. And they approached us

2953
03:38:07,326 --> 03:38:08,985
and we were able to do this on very short

2954
03:38:09,086 --> 03:38:11,625
notice. So hundreds of kids in Pickering will be able

2955
03:38:11,625 --> 03:38:14,505
to have their canoe camp, which starts in a couple

2956
03:38:14,505 --> 03:38:18,529
of weeks. Councillor Brenda, did I see your hand. Uh,

2957
03:38:18,950 --> 03:38:21,809
just very quickly, Mr. Mayor, if I might, uh, thank

2958
03:38:21,849 --> 03:38:23,889
you and the staff for, uh, being able to pull

2959
03:38:23,910 --> 03:38:28,849
this together, um, both myself, Councillor Pickles were working very

2960
03:38:28,950 --> 03:38:34,689
closely with the club. Uh, and thank you again, being

2961
03:38:34,729 --> 03:38:38,689
able to turn this around. Um, just one very quick,

2962
03:38:38,689 --> 03:38:42,049
important note, if I might ask staff, um, I know

2963
03:38:42,089 --> 03:38:47,329
we had a bad experience, uh, previously prior to the,

2964
03:38:47,329 --> 03:38:53,516
um, Frenchmans Bay West Park Plan. The new temporary location

2965
03:38:53,777 --> 03:38:56,476
and safeguards that are in place of staff can maybe

2966
03:38:56,516 --> 03:38:59,416
just clarify. So if we do have any inquiries, um,

2967
03:38:59,777 --> 03:39:01,676
what safeguards do we have in place that we don't

2968
03:39:01,676 --> 03:39:09,936
have a repeat. Think Scounser Brenner. Um, so we will

2969
03:39:09,976 --> 03:39:15,056
be entering into a license agreement with the Rouge Pickering

2970
03:39:15,096 --> 03:39:19,616
Canoe Club. And, um, that license agreement details, um, first

2971
03:39:19,616 --> 03:39:21,376
of all, a term of the agreement, which will be

2972
03:39:21,416 --> 03:39:25,296
for one season. Um, and secondly, it would include some

2973
03:39:25,877 --> 03:39:28,096
number of conditions at the club has agreed to so

2974
03:39:28,136 --> 03:39:30,656
that they will be removing their garbage. They will be

2975
03:39:30,696 --> 03:39:33,136
adhering to our noise bylaw. They will be ensuring their

2976
03:39:33,157 --> 03:39:37,276
following their safety standards. Um, they'll be communicating with, uh,

2977
03:39:37,397 --> 03:39:42,736
staff on, um, the programs they're going to run a

2978
03:39:42,736 --> 03:39:46,416
number of members. They have, um, all of that kind

2979
03:39:46,416 --> 03:39:48,736
of thing as well as we have some insurance requirements

2980
03:39:48,776 --> 03:39:52,976
of them as part of this agreement. So, um, we're,

2981
03:39:53,397 --> 03:39:55,696
we're formalizing the agreement so that we can both be

2982
03:39:55,736 --> 03:39:58,976
very clear about expectations. And we've been meeting with the

2983
03:39:58,976 --> 03:40:03,536
club, as you mentioned, it's a often to get this,

2984
03:40:03,536 --> 03:40:06,736
uh, to get this agreement in place in time for,

2985
03:40:06,736 --> 03:40:11,266
uh, June 29th start date. One final question. If I

2986
03:40:11,306 --> 03:40:15,266
might through you, Mr. Mayor, um, and to avoid any

2987
03:40:15,767 --> 03:40:19,706
misunderstanding with the community, the road still remains closed. Am

2988
03:40:19,706 --> 03:40:21,986
I correct other than for setting up what they need

2989
03:40:22,026 --> 03:40:24,066
to set up and taking it down at the end

2990
03:40:24,106 --> 03:40:27,266
of the season? Um, there will not be vehicles travelling

2991
03:40:27,306 --> 03:40:30,786
down that road, which is, uh, multi - use pathway,

2992
03:40:30,786 --> 03:40:35,515
correct? That's correct, Councillor. They would only be setting up

2993
03:40:36,256 --> 03:40:39,595
their, um, their equipment storage once. There will be no,

2994
03:40:39,595 --> 03:40:45,035
uh, ongoing, uh, car access down the pathway. And our

2995
03:40:45,075 --> 03:40:50,155
license agreement also stipulates that the, um, accessible, uh, kayaking

2996
03:40:50,176 --> 03:40:54,075
canoe launch will remain, uh, accessible to the public. Well,

2997
03:40:54,075 --> 03:40:57,205
the club's using it as well. Great. Thank you. And

2998
03:40:57,245 --> 03:40:59,525
again, thank you for getting this resolved in the short

2999
03:40:59,546 --> 03:41:03,975
time frame. And I'll ask for recorded vote. Thank you.

3000
03:41:03,975 --> 03:41:07,175
Uh, the kids will be portaging in its real sense.

3001
03:41:09,003 --> 03:41:12,976
Um. Uh, Swoop by Councillor Brenner, second bikes Councillor Pickles,

3002
03:41:12,976 --> 03:41:16,736
Councillor Brenner's ask for recorded boat. Please exclude Councillor Robinson.

3003
03:41:18,028 --> 03:41:24,824
Councillor Brenner. Yes. Cancer Cook? Yes. Councillor Nagy. Yes. Councillor

3004
03:41:24,864 --> 03:41:32,025
Pickles. Yes. Maria Ash? Yes. That's carodynamously. Next item 12.

3005
03:41:32,065 --> 03:41:38,425
9 by Councillor Pickle. Second by Councillor Cook in regards

3006
03:41:38,446 --> 03:41:42,505
to Plague Run equipment replacement of fitness centre construction with

3007
03:41:42,686 --> 03:41:47,225
a value of 1. 427 million at the various parks

3008
03:41:47,406 --> 03:41:51,145
is referenced as well as the funding questions. Councillor Nay.

3009
03:41:52,555 --> 03:41:56,534
Uh, I just wanted to, um, ask about that cost.

3010
03:41:56,534 --> 03:41:59,814
So I see in the report that, let me pull

3011
03:41:59,814 --> 03:42:03,254
up the exact number that the city was successful in

3012
03:42:03,254 --> 03:42:06,454
obtaining grant funding from the province of Ontario, uh, the

3013
03:42:06,555 --> 03:42:08,374
grand will fund up to 50 percent of the eligible

3014
03:42:08,414 --> 03:42:14,474
project costs. So those costs are out of that. 1.

3015
03:42:14,975 --> 03:42:18,474
What was it? 1. 285. Yes. 1. 285, et cetera,

3016
03:42:18,474 --> 03:42:27,261
et cetera. Correct? Ms. Treasure. Well, Mr. Holburn answered that

3017
03:42:27,261 --> 03:42:31,405
question. Okay, Mr. Olburn. Yes. Thank you. Um, through the

3018
03:42:31,426 --> 03:42:36,205
mayor to Councillor Nagy, the gross project cost of 1.

3019
03:42:36,226 --> 03:42:40,365
427 million includes all the funding sources. So that includes

3020
03:42:40,405 --> 03:42:46,605
the amount from the grant. We were provided 762, 500

3021
03:42:46,645 --> 03:42:49,045
dollars of the grant. Of which we will be using

3022
03:42:49,866 --> 03:42:54,085
approximately 746, 000 of it. So leaving about 16, 000

3023
03:42:54,125 --> 03:42:57,365
on the table. Now mind you that amount includes contingencies

3024
03:42:57,405 --> 03:43:00,245
that we may not use as well. But the, the,

3025
03:43:00,245 --> 03:43:03,605
to answer your questions specifically, the 1. 4 million includes

3026
03:43:04,426 --> 03:43:08,138
the 700, 000 dollars of grant money. Okay, so then

3027
03:43:08,159 --> 03:43:13,798
the actual cost that is coming out of our, for

3028
03:43:13,798 --> 03:43:17,818
the city's pocket is less than that 1. 4, correct?

3029
03:43:17,839 --> 03:43:21,197
Because of this grant funding. Yes. Well, they're doing the

3030
03:43:21,237 --> 03:43:24,886
math approximately 50 percent. Okay, awesome. I just wanted that

3031
03:43:24,907 --> 03:43:27,846
on the record as well because that is a that's

3032
03:43:27,846 --> 03:43:33,227
that's a good news story. So thank you. Thank you,

3033
03:43:33,227 --> 03:43:38,699
Pastor Cook. Just one quick question back to staff. Because

3034
03:43:38,720 --> 03:43:42,219
this may seem like a large amount of dollars being

3035
03:43:42,320 --> 03:43:46,459
invested into our parks. I think it's important that staff

3036
03:43:46,640 --> 03:43:49,019
talk a little bit about the fitness stations that are

3037
03:43:49,019 --> 03:43:52,099
being added Uh, that's going into the park's. I know

3038
03:43:52,480 --> 03:43:54,779
last year when we talked about this and met with

3039
03:43:54,819 --> 03:43:57,419
Arnold and his team we were shown some of the

3040
03:43:57,440 --> 03:43:59,099
materials that were going to this and I think it's

3041
03:43:59,099 --> 03:44:01,419
exciting and I think it's modern and I think it's

3042
03:44:01,440 --> 03:44:03,579
current that's been asked by resident. So I just wanted

3043
03:44:03,619 --> 03:44:05,399
to give them the opportunity to talk a little bit

3044
03:44:05,399 --> 03:44:08,699
about that portion of the expense Um, that's going into

3045
03:44:08,720 --> 03:44:13,982
upgrading all of these park facilities. Whoever wants to take

3046
03:44:13,982 --> 03:44:20,197
that no pressure. Mr. Holburn will remind us that this

3047
03:44:20,218 --> 03:44:23,717
was a result of a public vote Uh, on the

3048
03:44:23,818 --> 03:44:27,237
mayor's budget on priority items and this was the winning

3049
03:44:27,818 --> 03:44:32,256
the winning submission So Mr. Holburn over to you. Yes,

3050
03:44:32,256 --> 03:44:35,456
thank you Mayor Ash and that's correct in our 2025

3051
03:44:36,277 --> 03:44:40,256
Um, budget there was a call out to residents Um,

3052
03:44:40,757 --> 03:44:43,296
for them to select one of the five options to

3053
03:44:43,397 --> 03:44:48,176
spend approximately 300, 000 dollars Equally as much as possible

3054
03:44:48,597 --> 03:44:54,176
across the three wards for various items and the one

3055
03:44:54,216 --> 03:44:57,696
that came to the forefront was the outdoor fitness equipment

3056
03:44:58,037 --> 03:45:04,656
So we've put together equipment locations in Glengrowth Park Uh,

3057
03:45:04,917 --> 03:45:09,216
East Woodlands Park and Alex Robertson Park And we have

3058
03:45:09,477 --> 03:45:11,616
made them a little bit different so that if somebody

3059
03:45:11,797 --> 03:45:15,056
wants to venture into all three parks They can have

3060
03:45:15,056 --> 03:45:20,336
all different experiences The one at East Woodlands Park because

3061
03:45:20,336 --> 03:45:22,896
it's close to the George Ashe community Centre where the

3062
03:45:22,896 --> 03:45:26,256
lot of seniors programs that go on will have fitness

3063
03:45:26,296 --> 03:45:29,696
equipment that is You know to a skill level for

3064
03:45:29,797 --> 03:45:34,016
everybody, but also for seniors Um, that they can enjoy

3065
03:45:34,997 --> 03:45:38,256
and somewhat accessible as well So if they have lockers

3066
03:45:38,256 --> 03:45:41,776
or a cane or a wheelchair to get there Or

3067
03:45:41,776 --> 03:45:44,976
even if they're able - bodied and can use the

3068
03:45:45,016 --> 03:45:49,036
equipment It's meant for all types if you will, all

3069
03:45:49,036 --> 03:45:55,152
people. And for Alex Robertson Park It's more of a

3070
03:45:55,192 --> 03:45:59,072
circuit So as they walk along home place and along

3071
03:45:59,653 --> 03:46:02,192
the trail there that leads to the waterfront trail They

3072
03:46:02,213 --> 03:46:07,312
will come across many stations to which they can do

3073
03:46:07,352 --> 03:46:12,192
their outside Exercise But it's more of a circuit And

3074
03:46:12,213 --> 03:46:17,072
Glen Grove is basically a pod of several pieces of

3075
03:46:17,093 --> 03:46:21,392
equipment together And, you know different experiences We're trying to

3076
03:46:21,392 --> 03:46:24,592
put different types of equipment Uh, I don't have them

3077
03:46:24,613 --> 03:46:27,232
all in front of me to explain what their names

3078
03:46:27,232 --> 03:46:29,813
are. And, you know what each piece of equipment Uh,

3079
03:46:29,914 --> 03:46:32,613
is, what I could get that information for you if

3080
03:46:32,653 --> 03:46:35,493
you want different experiences in different parks is really the

3081
03:46:35,594 --> 03:46:38,773
theme that we came across Right, that's wonderful I just

3082
03:46:39,114 --> 03:46:42,133
wanted to make sure that our residents knew how thoughtful

3083
03:46:42,794 --> 03:46:46,293
your team was being Um, in creating this experience across

3084
03:46:46,874 --> 03:46:49,573
each of our wards So I just wanted to thank

3085
03:46:49,594 --> 03:46:52,536
staff And thank you Mr. Mayor, appreciate it. Thank you.

3086
03:46:53,173 --> 03:46:55,072
There's no further debate I'm going to call the question

3087
03:46:55,253 --> 03:46:57,960
Niles in favor. Opposed that items cured Next item is

3088
03:46:57,981 --> 03:47:02,462
12 - 10. Uh It moved by Councillor Pickle Second

3089
03:47:02,502 --> 03:47:05,262
Bing Councillor Cook It's The Diane Prince of the Whale

3090
03:47:05,302 --> 03:47:09,342
Park license renewal agreement Council Councillor should also be aware

3091
03:47:09,382 --> 03:47:12,462
that it includes a piece of land On the north

3092
03:47:12,462 --> 03:47:15,822
side of Liverpool Road as well for our new skate

3093
03:47:15,862 --> 03:47:22,805
park Questions. Being done, I'm going to call the question

3094
03:47:22,845 --> 03:47:27,079
then, all those in favor. Oppose that items carried 12.

3095
03:47:27,180 --> 03:47:31,079
11 annual treasure statement report Director of Finance and Treasurer

3096
03:47:31,580 --> 03:47:36,679
Uh... Is a report to receive for information Moved by

3097
03:47:36,679 --> 03:47:44,075
Councillor Cook Second by Councillor Nagy. Debate. Being none's in

3098
03:47:44,075 --> 03:47:48,058
favor. Opposed that I was carried Next I need to

3099
03:47:48,058 --> 03:47:51,978
move by Councillor Pickles Um, director of City Infrastructure 6.

3100
03:47:53,186 --> 03:47:57,805
And 2nd by Councillor Brenner Uh, 6 concession Road Reconstruction,

3101
03:47:57,805 --> 03:48:07,021
and Greenwood Bridge Rehab 4. 3 million dollars. Questions. Councillor

3102
03:48:07,021 --> 03:48:10,131
Pickles, you have to play. Thank you Mayor Ashen This

3103
03:48:10,131 --> 03:48:14,371
is a great project, really a continuation of the work

3104
03:48:14,411 --> 03:48:19,811
that was on the 6th concession Um, sorry, East of

3105
03:48:19,851 --> 03:48:24,051
Greenwood Road earlier Of course, including a bridge always makes

3106
03:48:24,051 --> 03:48:28,691
it more complicated and more expensive So my question's more

3107
03:48:29,432 --> 03:48:35,011
on one of timing Um... When would we expect they

3108
03:48:35,011 --> 03:48:40,131
would, um... What's the word? Get Out Out There and

3109
03:48:40,152 --> 03:48:47,146
break Ground, I guess. Mr. Death Co. Thank you for

3110
03:48:47,146 --> 03:48:52,130
the question through the chair to Councillor Pickles. If the

3111
03:48:52,311 --> 03:48:57,330
report gets... Voted through and approved tonight Then we would

3112
03:48:57,591 --> 03:49:03,730
start the process for... commencing The project, issuing a PO

3113
03:49:03,730 --> 03:49:09,736
to the contractor Um, completing our pre - construction. Kick

3114
03:49:09,736 --> 03:49:13,417
- off meeting, and then mobilising to site So. I

3115
03:49:13,457 --> 03:49:16,937
would say within about a month, our intent was to

3116
03:49:16,937 --> 03:49:20,297
get in there before The end of July Uh, but

3117
03:49:20,318 --> 03:49:25,497
that will depend on the contractor's ability to mobilise Uh...

3118
03:49:26,318 --> 03:49:28,857
So probably plus or minus a week or two around

3119
03:49:28,897 --> 03:49:36,624
there And the work. That typically starts would, you know

3120
03:49:36,624 --> 03:49:41,684
Resident should expect to see... The erosion sediment control Equipment

3121
03:49:41,865 --> 03:49:44,964
and material mobilising to site... Uh... And things like that

3122
03:49:45,065 --> 03:49:48,484
Now I will mention that This work is being phased

3123
03:49:48,484 --> 03:49:52,884
out over two construction seasons Uh, so phase one work

3124
03:49:53,065 --> 03:49:59,684
will include the bridge rehabilitation and Reconstruction work West of

3125
03:49:59,684 --> 03:50:04,164
the bridge up to the entrance of Dorsey Community Heritage

3126
03:50:04,185 --> 03:50:07,684
Centre And phase two work Uh, which will likely occur

3127
03:50:07,865 --> 03:50:10,804
next year Unless the contractor has an aggressive enough schedule

3128
03:50:11,465 --> 03:50:14,804
that can get it all done Um, will be the

3129
03:50:14,804 --> 03:50:20,484
small section of work from The Bridge to Greenwood and

3130
03:50:20,524 --> 03:50:24,084
just beyond And The main reason for that is The

3131
03:50:24,124 --> 03:50:27,364
Deep Storm Seward Servicing That will be required to connect

3132
03:50:27,865 --> 03:50:30,564
Uh... Where they left off in phase one to the

3133
03:50:30,585 --> 03:50:34,964
outfall at Duffins Creek So that, you know, in order

3134
03:50:34,964 --> 03:50:37,604
to complete that work in a timely manner And kind

3135
03:50:37,604 --> 03:50:43,364
of phase access to the Hamilton Greenwood Um... That's The

3136
03:50:43,385 --> 03:50:48,003
plan as of now. It mobilise was the word I

3137
03:50:48,003 --> 03:50:51,363
was looking for, Mr. Eath Coat, so thank you Um

3138
03:50:51,544 --> 03:50:54,003
Do we have any concerns, or can we check early

3139
03:50:54,043 --> 03:50:59,423
on... I know we had an incident. A situation previously

3140
03:51:00,004 --> 03:51:04,303
where a contractor sort of won more contracts than they

3141
03:51:04,484 --> 03:51:07,983
were anticipating, and we maybe weren't the first on the

3142
03:51:07,983 --> 03:51:11,423
list I wouldn't want there to be a delay Because

3143
03:51:11,844 --> 03:51:19,983
they contractor Got another contract So built into our contract,

3144
03:51:19,983 --> 03:51:21,983
or it'll be identified early in our meeting with them

3145
03:51:22,644 --> 03:51:25,423
That we do want them to mobilise quickly We don't

3146
03:51:25,423 --> 03:51:29,663
want them to wait or work half days on this,

3147
03:51:29,663 --> 03:51:31,983
or half weeks because they got another project on the

3148
03:51:32,164 --> 03:51:37,464
Go view any sense of that. Through the charity Councillor

3149
03:51:37,504 --> 03:51:40,584
Pickles, thanks for the question The hour intent would be

3150
03:51:40,624 --> 03:51:43,144
to get started as soon as possible And we set

3151
03:51:43,144 --> 03:51:46,584
out timelines in the contract that The contractor is required

3152
03:51:46,584 --> 03:51:50,264
to complete the work within certain dates And so because

3153
03:51:50,285 --> 03:51:55,144
this is phased out into... Phases, we've set completion dates

3154
03:51:55,184 --> 03:51:57,624
for both phase 1 and phase 2 to ensure that

3155
03:51:57,965 --> 03:52:00,984
things aren't dragging into next year For the first phase

3156
03:52:00,984 --> 03:52:04,584
of work, and that's also relevant to The nature of

3157
03:52:04,584 --> 03:52:09,384
the work, The Bridge will require... Uh, in water work,

3158
03:52:09,485 --> 03:52:12,264
some coffer dams around the embutments to complete some of

3159
03:52:12,264 --> 03:52:15,704
the concrete repairs So that work in phase 1 has

3160
03:52:15,704 --> 03:52:19,304
to be completed this year And we've laid out... Uh...

3161
03:52:19,565 --> 03:52:23,864
Completion dates within The contract to ensure that The contractor

3162
03:52:24,125 --> 03:52:27,784
is aware and ready and capable as they... They bid,

3163
03:52:27,784 --> 03:52:29,544
and we're successful on this project So that would be

3164
03:52:29,584 --> 03:52:35,300
the expectation from the city. Okay last question Mr. Mayor

3165
03:52:35,481 --> 03:52:39,940
Kevin, so Will we be sending a notice? How do

3166
03:52:39,961 --> 03:52:42,420
we... The contract to be sending out a notice to...

3167
03:52:42,420 --> 03:52:49,780
Oh, residents, uh... Provide... Our construction plan, that is... The

3168
03:52:49,801 --> 03:52:54,740
hours of work, dust control, NED tours... Uh... A number

3169
03:52:55,081 --> 03:52:57,380
that they can call if they have any questions or

3170
03:52:57,380 --> 03:53:00,432
concerns. That's Something We do standard, I want to make

3171
03:53:00,432 --> 03:53:04,192
sure it's going to go out to... To residents... In

3172
03:53:04,213 --> 03:53:07,472
advance to... Let them know at the timetable and other

3173
03:53:07,493 --> 03:53:13,620
information is. Through the charity Council Pickles, you're absolutely correct.

3174
03:53:13,620 --> 03:53:16,420
We'll be sending out a notice of construction That notice

3175
03:53:16,441 --> 03:53:22,740
typically includes contact information, scope of work, anticipated duration Uh...

3176
03:53:22,761 --> 03:53:26,580
So that will be contact information for our staff and

3177
03:53:26,681 --> 03:53:30,740
or our consultant that is working on our behalf for

3178
03:53:30,740 --> 03:53:32,740
the contract administration and day - to - day construction

3179
03:53:33,961 --> 03:53:37,620
For this project. Uh, it will also outline any kind

3180
03:53:37,620 --> 03:53:40,260
of detour paths that will also be covered through a

3181
03:53:40,260 --> 03:53:44,100
service disruption Uh... For the area as well, as there

3182
03:53:44,100 --> 03:53:46,420
will be due to a required during the bridge rehabilitation

3183
03:53:46,601 --> 03:53:50,340
work So we, you know, upon a ward and approval

3184
03:53:50,441 --> 03:53:54,020
This report tonight We can move towards issuing at PO,

3185
03:53:54,020 --> 03:53:55,700
and at that time We try and get a notice

3186
03:53:55,740 --> 03:54:01,140
out at least two weeks in advance Uh... Inform the

3187
03:54:01,241 --> 03:54:06,649
residents, and start that communication with them. Well, thank you

3188
03:54:06,750 --> 03:54:09,449
for the great work on this. I know this is

3189
03:54:09,470 --> 03:54:11,929
one of the four or five that I pester you

3190
03:54:11,950 --> 03:54:14,169
about on a regular basis, and I know you're doing

3191
03:54:14,190 --> 03:54:16,009
your best to get them out the door, and we'll

3192
03:54:16,009 --> 03:54:18,418
talk about White Veil Road in a little bit. Thank

3193
03:54:18,458 --> 03:54:23,637
you. Thank you Any further questions or debate, being done

3194
03:54:23,658 --> 03:54:25,957
I'm gonna call a Question, I was in favor, opposed

3195
03:54:26,058 --> 03:54:30,357
that Items carried Next Item is Director City Development 2.

3196
03:54:30,357 --> 03:54:32,437
15 - inch tow behind Wood Chippers in the amount

3197
03:54:32,458 --> 03:54:38,357
of 320... Moved by Councillor by Councillor Cook debate questions.

3198
03:54:41,327 --> 03:54:48,261
Being not - That's good. I'm gonna call the question,

3199
03:54:48,261 --> 03:54:53,500
although the favor. That motion's carried. Next item is from

3200
03:54:53,500 --> 03:54:56,713
The Director of City Development CBO. In regards to an

3201
03:54:56,753 --> 03:55:03,887
enterprise agreement. Second by Councillor Nagy Uh... In the amount

3202
03:55:04,068 --> 03:55:12,547
of 246, 000 dollars Questions are debate. Being non -

3203
03:55:12,547 --> 03:55:15,487
are gonna call the question I'll in favor. Opposed that

3204
03:55:15,527 --> 03:55:19,247
an insecurity Next item is The Heritage Permit Application... Moved

3205
03:55:19,287 --> 03:55:24,198
by Councillor Pickles. 2nd by Councillor Cook. Cather Pickles Do

3206
03:55:24,198 --> 03:55:27,798
you have any questions? Yeah, thank you Mr. Mayor So

3207
03:55:28,619 --> 03:55:31,638
this Item was the subject of a couple delegations earlier

3208
03:55:31,659 --> 03:55:37,318
that I think Stouff probably listened. I want to be

3209
03:55:37,318 --> 03:55:41,078
clear, I still have to be clear on... We're not...

3210
03:55:41,899 --> 03:55:47,349
Unlike The Concession 6. Item We're not looking for the

3211
03:55:47,850 --> 03:55:51,109
full tender and approval of the Road This is, say,

3212
03:55:51,109 --> 03:55:54,789
one of the hurdles to get there, the Heritage Permit

3213
03:55:54,810 --> 03:55:59,189
Application So I think the community had some broader questions

3214
03:55:59,290 --> 03:56:01,909
about The Project, and some of them related to The

3215
03:56:02,090 --> 03:56:06,549
Heritage Permit, but others did not... Could we go back

3216
03:56:06,810 --> 03:56:10,149
to STAP and ask them... I know they followed Up

3217
03:56:10,250 --> 03:56:14,869
with a response to a couple people in the White

3218
03:56:15,050 --> 03:56:18,389
Veil Community today, but would they like to offer any

3219
03:56:18,389 --> 03:56:21,749
other thoughts and responses to the two delegations they heard

3220
03:56:21,770 --> 03:56:25,829
earlier, which by the way were both very strong in

3221
03:56:25,930 --> 03:56:28,929
moving forward with the project They just had a few

3222
03:56:29,050 --> 03:56:32,709
questions, comments, and were looking to receive some further information

3223
03:56:33,690 --> 03:56:36,709
So perhaps Mr. Heath Coke could speak to that as

3224
03:56:36,709 --> 03:56:42,355
well. Perhaps Councillor Pickles, I can just jump in... Um...

3225
03:56:43,176 --> 03:56:45,515
Just to have a few comments broadly, and then I

3226
03:56:45,515 --> 03:56:48,675
would certainly invite staff to add any details as appropriate

3227
03:56:49,416 --> 03:56:52,515
Um... Just for clarity, this is regarding a Heritage Permit

3228
03:56:53,016 --> 03:56:56,435
associated with this project, and really this is meant to

3229
03:56:56,435 --> 03:57:00,115
be looking at those aspects Uh... Through that heritage lens...

3230
03:57:00,155 --> 03:57:02,415
We recognise this is a long - time coming, and

3231
03:57:02,415 --> 03:57:07,395
the project, and We had the opportunity earlier today Uh...

3232
03:57:07,496 --> 03:57:12,915
To have an email crafted that we hope addressed most

3233
03:57:12,915 --> 03:57:15,475
of the questions that we received in writing from The

3234
03:57:15,496 --> 03:57:21,235
White Veil District Residence Association... Um... So we could certainly...

3235
03:57:21,736 --> 03:57:24,195
Underscore some of the key points from that if that's

3236
03:57:24,195 --> 03:57:27,875
helpful Uh... For the viewing audience tonight, and maybe Steph

3237
03:57:27,875 --> 03:57:30,866
can jump in, but I'll try and be brief. Um...

3238
03:57:30,967 --> 03:57:33,746
There was some concerns just regarding... The timing of this

3239
03:57:33,746 --> 03:57:36,066
report, and not a lot of time And again, just

3240
03:57:36,087 --> 03:57:39,666
to reiterate This is for The Heritage Components There has

3241
03:57:39,666 --> 03:57:43,026
been a lot of extensive public consultation over many years

3242
03:57:43,767 --> 03:57:46,146
Um... That's come to this point, and the more work

3243
03:57:46,146 --> 03:57:49,345
to beat on, obviously Um... So this is just one

3244
03:57:49,345 --> 03:57:52,325
aspect of that Uh... There's some questions about 100 percent

3245
03:57:52,365 --> 03:57:56,485
design drawings, not being made available So there's some review

3246
03:57:56,506 --> 03:58:00,965
to be done with those drawings, And Kevin might be

3247
03:58:00,965 --> 03:58:03,285
able to speak to more detail of that, I'll just

3248
03:58:03,386 --> 03:58:05,125
try and underscore some of the other points and come

3249
03:58:05,165 --> 03:58:12,932
back to staff in that regard. Uh... Yeah, there's concerns

3250
03:58:12,953 --> 03:58:19,572
about... Lighting... About White Street Lighting wasn't really captured in

3251
03:58:19,612 --> 03:58:22,787
this. And the primary focus again is for The Heritage

3252
03:58:22,827 --> 03:58:26,447
Permit Application Lighting isn't really Part of that, that The

3253
03:58:26,447 --> 03:58:29,667
lens was looking... The Heritage Lens was reviewing Prophoro's Road

3254
03:58:29,688 --> 03:58:33,907
Drainage Landscape, and Heritage Conservation... Components recognising that Whiteville is

3255
03:58:33,907 --> 03:58:40,099
a Heritage Conservation District. And we do understand... The importance

3256
03:58:40,139 --> 03:58:44,339
of streetlighting in Whitevale. Um... And a lot of the

3257
03:58:44,339 --> 03:58:48,259
finishes, fixtures were originally selected with community consultation. Uh... And

3258
03:58:49,000 --> 03:58:51,299
while the goal is to try and replace to match

3259
03:58:53,640 --> 03:58:57,219
possible... Um... That's our goal to maintain that lighting colour

3260
03:58:57,320 --> 03:59:03,379
and fixture style Um... But... Once we've completed that review,

3261
03:59:03,379 --> 03:59:07,699
The Design Package, and reviewing what the need is for

3262
03:59:07,739 --> 03:59:11,459
poll locations, and that... We'll continue to work with residents,

3263
03:59:11,459 --> 03:59:13,299
and the project team, just to make sure that lighting

3264
03:59:13,339 --> 03:59:17,779
design balances public safety Uh... And also... Maintains the character

3265
03:59:17,880 --> 03:59:24,025
of Whiteville. Um... H - PAC, some questions about The

3266
03:59:24,046 --> 03:59:27,625
Heritage Pickering Advisory Committee, and their role, and Heritage Pickering

3267
03:59:27,625 --> 03:59:31,385
Advisory Committee, um... There was a meeting earlier this year,...

3268
03:59:31,486 --> 03:59:35,385
to run through this project, then... support from the committee

3269
03:59:36,446 --> 03:59:39,545
to recommend approval of this Heritage Permit, so that's been

3270
03:59:39,585 --> 03:59:45,305
addressed. And certainly, uh, uh... We consider them to be

3271
03:59:45,566 --> 03:59:50,470
important. Group 2 Engages, prior this process, and continue to

3272
03:59:50,470 --> 03:59:54,447
do so. We're appropriate. I think that covers the majority

3273
03:59:54,487 --> 03:59:57,167
of things. There was a number of conditions that we've

3274
03:59:57,188 --> 03:59:59,687
asked be put in from a Heritage Lens, again, to

3275
03:59:59,687 --> 04:00:03,247
make sure certain things have been satisfied. And staff from

3276
04:00:03,268 --> 04:00:06,527
C. Development are comfortable... With those recommendations, and those conditions,

3277
04:00:06,527 --> 04:00:10,047
but I would certainly invite Perhaps Kevin if you want

3278
04:00:10,047 --> 04:00:16,817
to add some detail from your perspective. Yeah, certainly Thanks,

3279
04:00:16,817 --> 04:00:21,857
Kyle. Um... I guess, you know, back to The Delegations,

3280
04:00:21,857 --> 04:00:27,457
Chambry Outlined a few...... requests or requirements upon approval of

3281
04:00:27,497 --> 04:00:32,737
this report tonight, and I think that...... either we already

3282
04:00:32,737 --> 04:00:35,617
would be doing it, or we can commit to providing

3283
04:00:35,718 --> 04:00:44,417
information that's requested in probably both instances. Uh, recommendation to

3284
04:00:45,478 --> 04:00:48,817
be includes the submission of the kind of final landscape

3285
04:00:48,838 --> 04:00:51,777
restoration plan for the review by HPAC, and we committed

3286
04:00:51,817 --> 04:00:56,557
to doing that at the HPAC meeting in May, and

3287
04:00:56,758 --> 04:01:00,897
we are still committed to...... circulating that drawing to the

3288
04:01:01,078 --> 04:01:08,886
Committee for Review. As Ms. Chamberry mentioned. We always will

3289
04:01:09,147 --> 04:01:12,406
cross - reference our 100 percent design to previous design

3290
04:01:12,667 --> 04:01:15,926
iterations, and that's part of The reason why we don't

3291
04:01:15,947 --> 04:01:18,726
want to share the drawing until it goes through that

3292
04:01:18,747 --> 04:01:25,126
internal review process. So where it seems like she may,

3293
04:01:25,126 --> 04:01:28,966
some information has been made available, um... Directly related to

3294
04:01:29,147 --> 04:01:31,926
a property. It's still under review, and we intend to

3295
04:01:32,107 --> 04:01:37,686
ensure that The information is consistent and captures everything that

3296
04:01:37,726 --> 04:01:45,206
we feel needs to be captured in the material changes

3297
04:01:45,227 --> 04:01:51,846
between 95. We're really just fine - tuning the details.

3298
04:01:51,846 --> 04:01:54,406
Uh, unless something, when it comes to the left field,

3299
04:01:54,406 --> 04:01:58,006
which I'm not aware of, but the intent, um... As

3300
04:01:58,107 --> 04:02:01,686
committed to the resident association is to share the final

3301
04:02:01,867 --> 04:02:05,206
design package once the internal review has been completed online

3302
04:02:05,867 --> 04:02:09,686
for information purposes, and respond formally to some of their

3303
04:02:09,707 --> 04:02:16,246
original... Concerns... That was addressed through a letter to staff

3304
04:02:16,507 --> 04:02:20,602
in 2023. Um. I think we've had a lot of

3305
04:02:20,623 --> 04:02:28,262
meaningful consultation with the resident association with the residents, um,

3306
04:02:28,262 --> 04:02:32,602
as a whole. Uh, and with the HPAC through this

3307
04:02:32,703 --> 04:02:38,362
process, and we share the same excitement and commitment to

3308
04:02:38,362 --> 04:02:42,682
get this project started. Um, and, uh, hopefully we'll be

3309
04:02:42,722 --> 04:02:45,082
on the right path to doing that with the approval

3310
04:02:45,183 --> 04:02:49,623
of this. Right? Thank you. So we heard through comments.

3311
04:02:49,623 --> 04:02:54,583
If we're not already following up on those... We will,

3312
04:02:54,583 --> 04:02:57,063
this is a milestone to the project. We need to

3313
04:02:57,063 --> 04:03:01,543
move ahead on this. And Mr. Heath, goat, your best

3314
04:03:01,644 --> 04:03:03,703
estimate then, as to one this will go out to

3315
04:03:03,703 --> 04:03:06,983
tender, one will come back for tender to be awarded.

3316
04:03:06,983 --> 04:03:11,770
And when it'll be mobilised. Uh, so our hope is

3317
04:03:13,311 --> 04:03:16,780
for awarding it before the end of July. So, uh,

3318
04:03:16,780 --> 04:03:20,000
contractors can get started by kind of end of July,

3319
04:03:20,000 --> 04:03:22,720
start of August. We've already completed a pre - qualification

3320
04:03:22,901 --> 04:03:28,880
process of contractors. Uh, so that's shortlisting contractors through competitive

3321
04:03:30,501 --> 04:03:33,680
evaluation of their ability and experience doing work of this

3322
04:03:33,701 --> 04:03:38,480
nature, uh, to ensure that we have the right contractor's

3323
04:03:38,901 --> 04:03:42,120
in place. Um, to complete this type of work. So

3324
04:03:44,581 --> 04:03:48,160
the actual tender itself is sent to the pre -

3325
04:03:48,160 --> 04:03:52,800
qualified list of contractors, which, uh, slightly shortens the tender

3326
04:03:52,840 --> 04:03:55,600
period as well, as opposed to going out to a

3327
04:03:55,640 --> 04:03:58,000
typical four - week tender, because we've already pre -

3328
04:03:58,000 --> 04:04:00,720
qualified the list on them. Um, so we are hoping

3329
04:04:01,301 --> 04:04:07,120
to complete our review over the next week or so,

3330
04:04:07,120 --> 04:04:10,880
and have a final package to finance, to kind of

3331
04:04:10,880 --> 04:04:13,600
go through the supplying services process and get it on

3332
04:04:13,600 --> 04:04:21,048
the street. So Mr. Mayor, just recognising this is a

3333
04:04:21,229 --> 04:04:25,688
lot of work over many years. So congratulations to Kevin

3334
04:04:25,789 --> 04:04:28,488
Latin for getting it here. And we look forward to

3335
04:04:29,229 --> 04:04:32,808
the full tender coming for the Road Work, soon. Thank

3336
04:04:32,808 --> 04:04:37,521
you. Thank you. I don't see any other debate. All

3337
04:04:37,521 --> 04:04:40,501
the question moved by Councillor Pickles, signed by Councillor Cook,

3338
04:04:40,501 --> 04:04:44,021
all those in favor, opposed that items carried. Next item

3339
04:04:44,061 --> 04:04:47,701
is The Implantation of Minister Settlement, uh, from the Director

3340
04:04:47,741 --> 04:04:51,301
of City Development 12. 16. I need to move on

3341
04:04:51,322 --> 04:04:55,781
to seconder. Boop by Councillor Count by Councillor Nagy. Questions.

3342
04:05:00,507 --> 04:05:02,326
Being done, I'm gonna call the question, then all those

3343
04:05:02,366 --> 04:05:07,225
in favor. Opposed, that items carried. 12. 17 is the

3344
04:05:08,366 --> 04:05:14,425
battery recycling agreement with call to recycle between Nick Pickering,

3345
04:05:14,425 --> 04:05:21,489
moved by Councillor Nige, second by Councillor Cook. Debate. Being

3346
04:05:21,510 --> 04:05:23,749
done, I'm gonna call the question. All those in favor.

3347
04:05:24,831 --> 04:05:27,690
Oppose that items carry. The last item is moved by

3348
04:05:27,871 --> 04:05:31,990
Councillor Cook, second by Councillor Nagy, who's added it, and

3349
04:05:31,990 --> 04:05:36,570
it's in regards to parking restrictions are on Parkham Crescent

3350
04:05:37,391 --> 04:05:41,835
Council Cook, you want to speak to it. Uh, actually,

3351
04:05:41,835 --> 04:05:44,475
just for clarity, it was actually moved by Councillor Nagy

3352
04:05:44,496 --> 04:05:48,235
and seconded by myself. That's all good. I just want

3353
04:05:48,235 --> 04:05:51,915
to make sure that she gets to speak. And seconded

3354
04:05:51,915 --> 04:05:55,435
by Councillor Cook in regards to Canada Day parking restrictions

3355
04:05:56,096 --> 04:06:01,735
on Parkham. And any debate. Being nuts? I'd like to

3356
04:06:01,735 --> 04:06:03,975
speak to my motion a little bit. Yes, Pete, please

3357
04:06:04,015 --> 04:06:10,529
do. Thank you. Um, so Parkham continues to become more

3358
04:06:10,630 --> 04:06:14,822
and more used on Canada Day. Myself and Steph have

3359
04:06:14,923 --> 04:06:19,142
received, and continue to receive photos and videos from multiple

3360
04:06:19,243 --> 04:06:23,702
residents of the area of the, on the danger of

3361
04:06:23,963 --> 04:06:28,822
allowing idling and travel on the streets. Uh, I've been

3362
04:06:28,923 --> 04:06:32,102
shown videos of father holding his young child that's had

3363
04:06:32,142 --> 04:06:33,782
to quite literally jump out of the way of a

3364
04:06:33,883 --> 04:06:36,822
moving car in order to not get hit. Um, and

3365
04:06:37,243 --> 04:06:42,742
there is a continued inability to address just how overrun

3366
04:06:42,742 --> 04:06:45,462
the street gets and the lack of adherence to the

3367
04:06:45,502 --> 04:06:48,262
rules by folks who park on both sides of the

3368
04:06:48,363 --> 04:06:52,022
road, despite the yearly on one side and the permanent

3369
04:06:52,203 --> 04:06:55,542
on the other side, no parking signs. Um, and as

3370
04:06:55,582 --> 04:06:58,342
Pickering grows, as well as the popularity of city events,

3371
04:06:58,342 --> 04:07:01,302
and in particular, our candidate event, putting up no parking

3372
04:07:01,403 --> 04:07:05,622
signs and having a periodic drive around, uh, just isn't

3373
04:07:05,643 --> 04:07:08,982
enough anymore in order to protect both the local residents

3374
04:07:09,022 --> 04:07:10,742
on the street, as well as anyone in the park

3375
04:07:11,323 --> 04:07:13,142
in the event of an emergency or the need for

3376
04:07:13,182 --> 04:07:17,416
a first responder. And so this motion is intended to

3377
04:07:17,416 --> 04:07:20,056
provide more weight to staff, uh, since I've been working

3378
04:07:20,157 --> 04:07:23,976
directly with members of staff, um, behind the scenes as

3379
04:07:24,016 --> 04:07:26,376
we gear up to Canada Day for almost four years

3380
04:07:26,397 --> 04:07:30,696
now. Um, and I'm consistently told that staff are just

3381
04:07:30,736 --> 04:07:34,216
not able to make the changes in order to accommodate.

3382
04:07:34,216 --> 04:07:37,176
Um, and so this motion seeks to provide direction of

3383
04:07:37,197 --> 04:07:39,976
counsel in order to give staff that ability in order

3384
04:07:39,997 --> 04:07:42,056
to give them the weight to be able to do

3385
04:07:42,096 --> 04:07:44,456
this. Um, and to that end, I have spoken to

3386
04:07:44,456 --> 04:07:46,856
a few members of the events team who understand the

3387
04:07:47,037 --> 04:07:49,176
reason for the timing as well as the importance of

3388
04:07:49,176 --> 04:07:52,296
what we're asking for tonight. And so while I apologise

3389
04:07:52,296 --> 04:07:54,536
for the manner, uh, in which I'm bringing this motion

3390
04:07:54,717 --> 04:07:58,536
to council, I appreciate the leeway, um, and I apologise

3391
04:07:58,637 --> 04:08:04,136
for the tight timeline. Um, but you'll all understand the

3392
04:08:04,157 --> 04:08:07,816
reason for the tightness of the timeline and the urgency,

3393
04:08:07,816 --> 04:08:09,416
um, but I have made sure that this is not

3394
04:08:09,597 --> 04:08:11,976
an ambush. And so with that, I'll ask for a

3395
04:08:12,016 --> 04:08:15,550
recorded vote, and thank you. Thank you. Any further debate.

3396
04:08:17,478 --> 04:08:21,769
Councillor Cook. Um, just one final comment to also, um,

3397
04:08:22,290 --> 04:08:25,549
commend our local residents for working with Mara and staff

3398
04:08:25,570 --> 04:08:27,789
to move this board. I think it's important that we

3399
04:08:27,890 --> 04:08:31,149
note that this is also resident driven. Um, and it

3400
04:08:31,410 --> 04:08:34,749
is their safety that is paramount and why this has

3401
04:08:34,770 --> 04:08:37,569
been moved forward. So thank you for that, sir. Thank

3402
04:08:37,569 --> 04:08:41,329
you, spoof by Councillor Nagy, second by Councillor Cook, I've

3403
04:08:41,329 --> 04:08:43,649
always been requested by Councillor Nagy. Can you please exclude

3404
04:08:43,910 --> 04:08:53,091
Councillor Robinson. Mr. Nigel. Yes. Councillor Pickles. Yes. Councillor Brenner?

3405
04:08:53,091 --> 04:08:59,206
Yes. Councillor Cook. Yes. Mayor Ashe? Yes. That's Carrie, honestly.

3406
04:08:59,744 --> 04:09:07,666
Uh, bylaws. Booba Councillor Cook, second be Councillor Brenner, 13.

3407
04:09:07,927 --> 04:09:12,946
1 through to 13. 8 in the bylaws, uh, for

3408
04:09:12,946 --> 04:09:19,537
actions taken. Um, any polls. Being done, all's in favor.

3409
04:09:20,941 --> 04:09:24,200
Opposed that item is carried. Prior to the regular meeting,

3410
04:09:24,200 --> 04:09:25,800
an in - camera session was held at 6 p.

3411
04:09:25,800 --> 04:09:27,960
m. and accords with provisions of municipal act and the

3412
04:09:27,960 --> 04:09:31,160
procedural byha to consider a matter pertaining the Ontario Land

3413
04:09:31,160 --> 04:09:34,840
tribunal appeals in northeast Pickrey, the secondary plan. The matter

3414
04:09:34,941 --> 04:09:37,880
was discussed in closed session to receive advice subject to

3415
04:09:37,880 --> 04:09:41,484
solicitor client privilege. And to consider moder pertaining to litigation

3416
04:09:41,665 --> 04:09:47,724
or potential, including matters before administrative tribunals. Affecting municipality in

3417
04:09:47,724 --> 04:09:50,524
a position plan procedure criteria and instructive to be applied

3418
04:09:50,564 --> 04:09:53,404
to any negotiation carried on or to be carried on

3419
04:09:53,505 --> 04:09:57,324
behalf of the municipality. Following motion needs to move on

3420
04:09:57,345 --> 04:09:59,724
to sector that in order to support the planning and

3421
04:09:59,905 --> 04:10:03,244
inflammation framework that will guide the creation of northeast Pickering

3422
04:10:03,284 --> 04:10:06,364
Community staff, community staff, you directed respond to the appeals

3423
04:10:06,404 --> 04:10:09,964
to the official plan amendment 54 and to retain loopster

3424
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Nixon and other consultant resources as required to defend the

3425
04:10:15,564 --> 04:10:18,364
Civic Council in this matter at the Ontario Land Trian.

3426
04:10:18,364 --> 04:10:21,324
It's moved by Councillor Cook, second by Councillor Nagy. Boston.

3427
04:10:31,001 --> 04:10:37,248
Debate. Being none. I'm going to call the question. All

3428
04:10:37,288 --> 04:10:41,328
is in favor, opposed that items carried. Using signs is

3429
04:10:41,328 --> 04:10:44,595
not allowed under. You've been excluded Councillor for a reason

3430
04:10:44,776 --> 04:10:47,475
and then you push the rules even farther. It's against

3431
04:10:47,496 --> 04:10:55,329
our procedural bylaws. Any regional Councillor updates.

3432
04:10:57,530 --> 04:11:05,402
Any other business. Councillor Nagy. I just wanted to, uh,

3433
04:11:05,443 --> 04:11:07,902
wish everybody a very happy summer. This is our final

3434
04:11:08,003 --> 04:11:13,182
regular council meeting, um, before the summer recess. And also

3435
04:11:13,763 --> 04:11:17,182
to remind all of our residents that it is the

3436
04:11:17,283 --> 04:11:21,422
aforementioned Canada Day event, uh, next week. So please come

3437
04:11:21,523 --> 04:11:25,982
on out and show your, show your pride where the

3438
04:11:26,083 --> 04:11:30,382
red and white and happy candidate and happy summer, everybody.

3439
04:11:30,382 --> 04:11:34,209
Thank you. Thank you for that, Councillor. I want to

3440
04:11:34,590 --> 04:11:39,529
also, on behalf of all members Council, wish our residents,

3441
04:11:39,529 --> 04:11:43,209
um, happy and safe summer. Uh, it is their intent

3442
04:11:43,249 --> 04:11:45,889
to have a special counsel meeting sometime in July. We

3443
04:11:45,889 --> 04:11:48,889
have number of items still ongoing. Also one of which

3444
04:11:48,889 --> 04:11:51,289
the best to our staff. We're blessed to have a

3445
04:11:51,329 --> 04:11:56,489
very, uh, professional staff who worked very hard for us.

3446
04:11:56,489 --> 04:12:02,569
And here we are in our six, sorry, hour five

3447
04:12:02,590 --> 04:12:08,729
of this particular meeting. Um, and, um, uh, you know,

3448
04:12:08,729 --> 04:12:10,169
some of us have been here since I ended up

3449
04:12:10,209 --> 04:12:15,409
this morning. So, uh, any other new business. Being done

3450
04:12:15,590 --> 04:12:19,169
and confirming by love moved by Councillor Cook, seconded by

3451
04:12:19,209 --> 04:12:21,889
Councillor Pickles being a buyer confirmed the proceedings it took

3452
04:12:21,929 --> 04:12:26,849
place at the actions of the meeting of June 22nd,

3453
04:12:26,849 --> 04:12:32,227
2026 be approved. Although in favor. Opposed that Aiden's carry,

3454
04:12:32,227 --> 04:12:34,867
motion to a dream of being order. Moved by Councillor

3455
04:12:34,907 --> 04:12:37,827
Pickles, secondly Council Cope at We adjourned. All of them

3456
04:12:37,928 --> 04:12:41,912
favor. That item was carried. Thank you. Good night. Go

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04:12:41,912 --> 04:12:42,112
Canada.