1 00:03:45,230 --> 00:03:48,870 The September 2nd, 2026 Park Commission meeting is called order. 2 00:03:49,450 --> 00:03:53,370 We'll be getting a meeting with a roll call, starting on my far-right. 3 00:03:54,370 --> 00:03:57,510 For the meeting transcript, can each commissioner state their name and that they are present? 4 00:03:58,930 --> 00:04:00,150 Jack Fisher, President. 5 00:04:01,090 --> 00:04:02,270 Channel Wagner, President. 6 00:04:02,490 --> 00:04:03,630 Tom Smegel, President. 7 00:04:03,970 --> 00:04:04,830 Or in the home president. 8 00:04:05,490 --> 00:04:09,310 And the three that are not present, we are aware of that, and they are excused. 9 00:04:09,810 --> 00:04:10,970 So we'll see them next time. 10 00:04:11,870 --> 00:04:13,570 Next up is Public Forum. 11 00:04:14,390 --> 00:04:19,410 This is an opportunity for members of the audience to speak on items not on the agenda. 12 00:04:20,250 --> 00:04:24,590 So potentially a 10 minute period divided evenly between those who wish to speak. 13 00:04:25,250 --> 00:04:31,510 Question also welcomes comments on each agenda item and ask those comments focus on the particular agenda item. 14 00:04:31,990 --> 00:04:33,720 Please limit your comments to three minutes. 15 00:04:34,570 --> 00:04:36,270 Are there any speaker cards for public forum? 16 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,720 So I will close public forum and move on to our regular agenda. 17 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:49,700 So item one on the regular agenda is approval of the minutes from our August meeting. 18 00:04:51,100 --> 00:04:55,770 So anybody have any corrections or additions, anything that's missed there? 19 00:04:58,190 --> 00:04:59,950 Okay, can I get a motion in this next. 20 00:05:04,620 --> 00:05:19,160 Thank you. All in favour? And hand raises fine? Great. That's approved. Next up is an update on city parks and athletic fields. Nancy, will you be doing the honors there? 21 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,680 So, 22 00:05:24,230 --> 00:05:30,530 the last month, we have been in the field a lot working on two construction projects. 23 00:05:30,970 --> 00:05:41,870 The first one is the ADA and Swing Project at Piedmont Park, and if you haven't been there, 24 00:05:41,870 --> 00:05:53,990 walkway is in the planting that PBF has helped fund with a coast with a island oak and 25 00:05:53,990 --> 00:06:04,250 manzanita and coffee berry. Those plants are in. We did air spading around the native oak 26 00:06:04,250 --> 00:06:10,230 tree in the upper right hand corner that had sand in it and the arborce was really concerned 27 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:17,330 about the compaction. It was really fascinating when we thought we would air spade down 28 00:06:17,330 --> 00:06:24,950 12 inches to remove all the sand. The roots of the oak tree that really find baby roots 29 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:33,650 of the oak tree were encountered at about six inches. So we did not have to air spade as 30 00:06:33,650 --> 00:06:41,490 material as we thought, so the compacted sand that came in from the top 31 00:06:41,490 --> 00:06:49,310 lot was removed. We put down a material called biochard underneath the top 32 00:06:49,310 --> 00:06:55,810 dressing of the playground fiber. So we're hoping that all that work helps 33 00:06:55,810 --> 00:07:01,070 alleviate some of the compaction under the native oak and helps with 34 00:07:01,070 --> 00:07:06,410 air flow and nutrients and all of that under me sok. 35 00:07:08,550 --> 00:07:15,690 The other thing that I know everybody is really looking forward to is the swings 36 00:07:15,690 --> 00:07:20,410 and that is the one thing that has not arrived in time. 37 00:07:21,390 --> 00:07:24,870 So I have been assured that the swings are ordered. 38 00:07:24,870 --> 00:07:35,510 Once they are ordered, one contractor will come in, install the swings and then also put the playground fiber in around the swing. 39 00:07:36,390 --> 00:07:46,470 So until that comes into the city and the work is done, the area where the previous swings were, it's going to be closed. 40 00:07:46,470 --> 00:07:48,890 But everything else is opened up. 41 00:07:49,170 --> 00:07:56,950 We have a little bit of sensing to protect the newly seeded lawn at the uppermost part. 42 00:07:57,310 --> 00:08:01,250 And Nick and I are working on getting some benches in. 43 00:08:02,470 --> 00:08:07,870 There are several benches that we're going to work with when we get the native play area in. 44 00:08:08,130 --> 00:08:14,530 So I think I can get half of the benches that we're there before, reinstall, and then we'll 45 00:08:14,530 --> 00:08:19,290 work on the remaining ventures when we do the plan for the nature play. 46 00:08:20,850 --> 00:08:23,110 So just see here. 47 00:08:23,390 --> 00:08:26,070 So these were just the plants that you can look at there. 48 00:08:26,730 --> 00:08:29,850 We put another island to open. 49 00:08:30,810 --> 00:08:34,390 That's been a really successful and happy tree in Piedmont. 50 00:08:35,050 --> 00:08:40,270 We have two mancinitas, the doctor heard, which is the larger mancinita. 51 00:08:40,270 --> 00:08:58,070 We tried this over at the Highland Guilford steps, and it's a slow grower, but it is, it's a really handsome plant that we planted in clusters of threes, so I think, ultimately that becomes sort of a multi-trunk shrub in that area. 52 00:08:58,070 --> 00:09:03,150 And then the ground cover is the pacific mist, 53 00:09:03,550 --> 00:09:09,760 art de staffelists, and then we have the coyote 54 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:15,460 meant where that's the butterfly that's in the photo. 55 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:23,740 And that plant we used over at the circle on Magnolia 56 00:09:23,740 --> 00:09:26,920 and also along Grand Oakland Avenue. 57 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:34,880 So that those these plants were we we've had success in other areas and they're all 58 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:37,580 California natives, which is always a nice thing 59 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:44,680 Any comments on that or should keep going? I'm sure no, I let we have a light agenda so let's 60 00:09:45,180 --> 00:09:47,880 Do it individually. Are you want to go ahead? 61 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:52,980 That sounds great. I I guess what I'm wondering is the coyote mountain and 62 00:09:52,980 --> 00:09:55,140 and more so than the others, I guess, 63 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,460 but they're relative and short-liped, right? 64 00:09:58,820 --> 00:09:59,980 So the plan is to jump. 65 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:12,840 Well, they've been in. Yes. Well, I think of all the plants. The coyote men is probably the most ornamental and 66 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:25,920 the one that is, it's definitely not a woody plant. So we'll see how that goes. But having a little bit of color in there was desire. 67 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:26,480 Yeah, 68 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:35,340 I guess you're going back to the prior slide, but tell me a little tell us a little bit more about the 69 00:10:35,340 --> 00:10:42,880 the fiber what that material is that you're putting down for the playground surface. So that is technically called 70 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:57,740 Engineier wood fiber, and it is approved for ADA access. Now here we're using it a 71 00:10:57,740 --> 00:11:07,960 And over time, it is not recycled material, unfortunately, it is what you would call it. 72 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:18,540 Virgin would material, but it meets very specific specifications for either playground, surfacing, 73 00:11:19,700 --> 00:11:24,940 or playground surfacing that is ADA accessible or pathways for ADA accessible. 74 00:11:24,940 --> 00:11:31,140 So, this we're just really using right now as a ground cover until we put in the adventure 75 00:11:31,140 --> 00:11:31,640 play. 76 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:32,300 Okay. 77 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,880 And the adventure play would be, if I'm looking at the big picture on the left, I would 78 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:38,080 be the area that is past. 79 00:11:38,700 --> 00:11:42,480 Well, we're hoping to kind of sweep it around the swing amphitheater. 80 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:50,600 So maybe stepping, it hasn't been designed yet, but the idea is maybe some stepping stones 81 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:59,480 or sort of a journey pathway that may start in the lowest part and then wrap around up 82 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:00,880 towards the street. 83 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,000 Okay, but the pathway that was on the other side has been removed. 84 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:06,400 Correct. 85 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:08,660 Other questions? 86 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:11,580 Um, looks great. 87 00:12:11,780 --> 00:12:12,880 I'm excited to see it all come together. 88 00:12:13,180 --> 00:12:14,900 Just out of curiosity are the swings? 89 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,180 The exact same replacement like two buckets of it. 90 00:12:20,430 --> 00:12:28,330 And then last question for me on that, I know we've had some concerns about some of the trees that are around that place structure. 91 00:12:29,090 --> 00:12:32,170 I think it's they're all heritage trees right we've identified that group. 92 00:12:32,310 --> 00:12:34,010 The Oaks are yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. 93 00:12:34,190 --> 00:12:44,250 The coastline folks. Is this one was was that an okay shape the one that we've now kind of rehabilitated the area the soil area around it. 94 00:12:44,250 --> 00:12:47,690 Are we hoping that's going to improve it or was it an okay shape to start with? 95 00:12:47,690 --> 00:12:58,110 You know, when I first started here, it was showing some real signs of concern and at some point I think it was under my predecessors. 96 00:12:59,210 --> 00:13:08,770 To which they removed or we might have removed bouncy, there were bouncy, you know, those little bouncy things underneath the oak tree. 97 00:13:08,770 --> 00:13:15,870 And believe it or not, they were finding that they thought the compaction was difficult for the trees. 98 00:13:15,970 --> 00:13:25,270 So those were removed. And then I think over time, as the sand migrated into that area, the sand ends up compacting as well. 99 00:13:27,070 --> 00:13:39,390 So it was an opportunity to address the compaction in that area, not necessarily that we were super concerned about the condition. 100 00:13:39,390 --> 00:13:45,650 but I think the goal is to keep that tree obviously as healthy as possible. 101 00:13:47,590 --> 00:13:47,810 Great. 102 00:13:49,670 --> 00:13:50,110 Good question. 103 00:13:50,290 --> 00:13:50,990 You look great. 104 00:13:52,230 --> 00:13:58,710 Has it come up at all young new plants and kids trampling over them? 105 00:13:59,110 --> 00:14:05,090 Has it been discussed at all, putting up some protective netting to let things get mature? 106 00:14:05,710 --> 00:14:07,490 I know it's not the prettiest looking thing. 107 00:14:10,090 --> 00:14:15,510 Right now everything hasn't been trampled on yet. 108 00:14:16,410 --> 00:14:21,680 So I think we'll sort of take that day by day. 109 00:14:21,980 --> 00:14:24,000 See how it is. 110 00:14:24,580 --> 00:14:25,300 All right. 111 00:14:25,460 --> 00:14:26,680 You want to move on to the next chapter. 112 00:14:27,700 --> 00:14:32,000 So this has been an amazing leaf. 113 00:14:32,180 --> 00:14:33,420 This is Hampton Park. 114 00:14:34,300 --> 00:14:38,640 And if you remember in 2016 Hampton Park 115 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:45,720 with some WW funds and some donations through PRFO. 116 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,940 The entire park was regraded. 117 00:14:50,620 --> 00:14:54,060 The turf was redone with an extensive drainage system. 118 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:59,940 And the infield went from the old fashioned cinder to artificial turf. 119 00:15:00,210 --> 00:15:11,090 So the turf was at a ten-year lifespan, and that's what most of the industry standards are for artificial turf. 120 00:15:11,590 --> 00:15:24,850 We did try and replace the where areas, unfortunately for us, those replacements were not as successful as I think they will be this time around. 121 00:15:24,850 --> 00:15:37,650 We had a installer in 2016 that the turf company ended up folding during the construction process. 122 00:15:37,830 --> 00:15:41,950 So the general contractor took over the warranty of the turf. 123 00:15:42,370 --> 00:15:44,550 Warranties are usually about seven years. 124 00:15:44,550 --> 00:15:52,750 So, this time around we've spent times thinking about where the wear patterns are, the 125 00:15:52,750 --> 00:15:58,350 pictures mound is a tougher material than the other orange area. 126 00:15:59,850 --> 00:16:12,070 We also have considered when we have to replace the high wear areas that the design lines 127 00:16:12,070 --> 00:16:15,970 make sense if we have to remove some panels. 128 00:16:17,950 --> 00:16:26,110 So I think there's also been thought this time around to accommodate not only little league, but also softball. 129 00:16:26,810 --> 00:16:37,350 So the basis, there's this, this group here may know more about baseball than I do, but the bases are actually 130 00:16:38,810 --> 00:16:43,470 It's embedded, what's the quite term for that? 131 00:16:44,310 --> 00:16:50,790 They're not just loose spaces, but we actually have a sleeve in there, several different options 132 00:16:50,790 --> 00:16:51,870 for that. 133 00:16:52,850 --> 00:16:57,830 The comments I've gotten is the green, overall people like this green better than the old 134 00:16:57,830 --> 00:16:58,110 green. 135 00:16:58,110 --> 00:17:07,110 It's a little bit deeper and a little bit greener just to give you a quick overview of how 136 00:17:07,110 --> 00:17:13,910 the process goes, the first sleeve is a forecliff where they actually have a tube and they roll 137 00:17:13,910 --> 00:17:19,990 up the old turf, what you're looking at there underneath the old turf is the Brock pad. 138 00:17:20,270 --> 00:17:28,790 That's the cushion pad. It looks like Eglue styrofoam lids that are actually snapped together 139 00:17:28,790 --> 00:17:35,930 and formed the cushion so that young athletes have cushion underneath the fabric. 140 00:17:35,930 --> 00:17:45,630 that that's called a Brockpad and that is stockpiled on site to be reused then the filter 141 00:17:45,630 --> 00:17:55,130 fabric is removed and they do string lines to check out the the grading of the actual 142 00:17:55,130 --> 00:18:03,310 field to make sure that it hasn't sunk we had a testing done the drainage has remained very 143 00:18:03,310 --> 00:18:11,230 solid on the field. So once the minor dips were graded, they were very minor, they come back in 144 00:18:11,230 --> 00:18:18,130 and they reinstall the filter fabric, reinstall the Brock pad, and then the fun part, which 145 00:18:18,130 --> 00:18:24,670 is the second photo where they start laying the carpet down on top of the Brock pad. The white 146 00:18:24,670 --> 00:18:32,890 is the Brock pad, and you'll see that the old Brock pad is used everywhere, but on the edges, 147 00:18:32,890 --> 00:18:40,370 because the edges tend to be the areas where there might be some give, so you want a really 148 00:18:40,370 --> 00:18:49,230 tight joint system with these. So we have new rock pad along the edges. In 2016 they sewed the 149 00:18:49,230 --> 00:18:58,290 seams together and in 2026 they actually use a glue system. So the third picture is the system 150 00:18:58,290 --> 00:19:01,270 used to put the seams together. 151 00:19:03,350 --> 00:19:08,810 The fourth picture is just the rolls on site and the guys 152 00:19:08,810 --> 00:19:14,230 working to pull the different carpets in place. And the last slide was done today. You'll 153 00:19:14,230 --> 00:19:21,790 see remnant pieces all around. They've finished with all the rock pad that will be disposed 154 00:19:21,790 --> 00:19:25,850 of off-site and now they're just doing the final. 155 00:19:28,490 --> 00:19:32,930 There's some striping lines that need to be done along bases. 156 00:19:34,730 --> 00:19:40,130 And once the entire carpet is in, they come back in and put sand and cork in fill. 157 00:19:41,190 --> 00:19:47,030 And they think that that should be complete by early next week. 158 00:19:47,030 --> 00:19:50,520 Sounds good. 159 00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:53,180 Questions comments from commissioners? 160 00:19:57,620 --> 00:19:59,740 A public comment on item two. 161 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:09,840 Okay. Thank you, Nancy. We'll move on to item 3. We have data on our sustainable park management plan. Implementation strategy. 162 00:20:10,420 --> 00:20:13,600 So we do have a speaker card for Garrett Q&A. 163 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:18,020 For three. Do you have a reason for the spirit of first? 164 00:20:19,140 --> 00:20:25,020 Garrett, you want to come? Do you have a report, Nancy, before we get to public comment? 165 00:20:25,020 --> 00:20:33,020 I have an update on using the spreadsheet that we use last time, so I can give a- 166 00:20:33,020 --> 00:20:34,880 Why don't you give a brief update, and then we'll have Polo. 167 00:20:37,580 --> 00:20:44,300 So one of the things that we're working with in our sustainability plan is to expand the tree canopy. 168 00:20:45,300 --> 00:20:55,980 So there has been an opportunity on one of our streets that has a tree species that's really struggling. 169 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,960 And so one of the things that we're talking about and we have one dead tree. 170 00:21:00,580 --> 00:21:13,740 So that may be one of the streets that we have been in discussions with the homeowner to see if any of the plants on the new list that was generated by the subcommittee. 171 00:21:13,740 --> 00:21:18,880 if there are any trees that we would like to try on that street. 172 00:21:20,020 --> 00:21:23,160 So just reviewing the idea of street trees, 173 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:32,160 we are trying to expand the species that we're using in our street trees, 174 00:21:32,380 --> 00:21:39,340 and where there are options for adding variety within a street, 175 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,740 if it's not a colon aid or a prominent street, 176 00:21:42,740 --> 00:21:44,120 we're doing that. 177 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,200 So tree canopy, nicks been really wonderful helping me 178 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,000 secure some of these new tree species. 179 00:21:54,260 --> 00:21:56,860 We're possible we're switching out to natives. 180 00:21:57,740 --> 00:22:01,860 So our London planes, we're trying the California 181 00:22:01,860 --> 00:22:03,380 natives sick more. 182 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:09,680 And we think that may be a little bit more drought-tolerant, 183 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:15,640 little bit less fussy than the one that we have in place now. 184 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:24,160 Landscape and planting, you know, there has been a big thinking of number three in our list. 185 00:22:24,420 --> 00:22:31,440 Landscape and planting, we are trying when we introduce new, sorry, it's not in your packet here. 186 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:41,640 We are trying to use natives and I think the main park, the plants that we're using in the area 187 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:50,280 by the top lot, those are California natives and will see how they survive in a high-use park area. 188 00:22:53,160 --> 00:23:00,920 Also, we don't have a report this week on law and turf, but we do have our subcommittee that we will be working on. 189 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:05,000 on understanding where we can remove non-functional turf 190 00:23:06,980 --> 00:23:10,540 and alternatives for how we might replant those areas. 191 00:23:10,820 --> 00:23:13,300 I think we can do that at our November meeting. 192 00:23:14,340 --> 00:23:19,000 One of the things in the sustainability management plan 193 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,920 we talked about is making sure that the cities 194 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,840 stay on top of maintaining high use areas 195 00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:35,060 and Hampton, I think, is a good example of a high-use area where we push the limits 196 00:23:35,060 --> 00:23:41,000 as much as we could for that artificial turf and then we're able to fund it in this fiscal 197 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,640 year for replacement. 198 00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:53,680 The last item about climate change and resources, I wanted the Park Commissioner to know that 199 00:23:53,680 --> 00:24:00,680 We are working with our landscape contractor to see if there are rebates available to replace 200 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:08,420 a gas mower for the big lawn area with there's some new technology out there for battery 201 00:24:09,780 --> 00:24:18,800 mowers that are more adaptive for big spaces and also longer running than just your normal. 202 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:24,180 So we're working on that and I'm hoping to bring that back. 203 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:26,620 So those were the items I have. 204 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,260 So Garrett, if you want to make public comment. 205 00:24:29,460 --> 00:24:30,860 Yeah, let's open public comment. 206 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,800 Excuse me. 207 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,180 And you'll have three minutes. 208 00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,980 And check the microphone as usual. 209 00:24:39,130 --> 00:24:40,470 All right. 210 00:24:40,670 --> 00:24:41,470 Good evening, commissioners. 211 00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:42,330 Three minutes off. 212 00:24:42,530 --> 00:24:43,050 Speak fast. 213 00:24:44,710 --> 00:24:45,750 Implementation strategy. 214 00:24:45,870 --> 00:24:47,170 You can do the work first. 215 00:24:47,230 --> 00:24:47,870 And this is commission. 216 00:24:47,870 --> 00:24:53,350 know that's our dog parks, right? I mean that's why we're here tonight, even. So, and to 217 00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:58,050 do that with our current dog parks, I think you need to find the capacity we need, right? 218 00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:59,970 We are one short, and... 219 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:07,180 We tried to implement this plan with the amount of dogs and what people have come to expect in those parks. One parked down, I don't think it'd be a worthwhile effort. 220 00:25:07,780 --> 00:25:26,560 So I think this commission, or Nancy, should look at other areas in town, assess them for sustainability. You have the plan now, so you can look at that bridge, you can look at other law and areas, you can look at other parts of town and apply those rules and see a viable space for additional dog parks. 221 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,540 and then of course recommend that's to council. 222 00:25:29,620 --> 00:25:34,940 So the other strategy I would say is about the tables in the parks. 223 00:25:35,340 --> 00:25:38,640 Now I've come in to this commission, I don't think there's a sustainability element 224 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,980 to that, and I think it's actually worse for sustainability of a parks. 225 00:25:42,500 --> 00:25:47,480 But it's in the plan as I understand it, so I would have this commission or staff come up 226 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,560 with a rationale for what they're trying to sustain. 227 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,540 The tables are just added to the plan in my opinion, it's no, I can't see it. 228 00:25:55,540 --> 00:25:59,980 any of the NFI's sustainability improvement that's going to achieve in our parks. 229 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:06,700 So I would ask this commission again, as a strategy, identify that need so we can go 230 00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:11,240 there with tables wherever these other improvements in the park will actually make a difference. 231 00:26:11,980 --> 00:26:16,780 Because my anticipation is if you bring tables in the procedure, you will exacerbate the 232 00:26:16,780 --> 00:26:17,320 problem. 233 00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:25,020 I don't think there's proper enforcement by PD and Rec now and whatever conditions you see in 234 00:26:25,020 --> 00:26:33,740 part on the slopes, get fallen trees. It's due to the lack enforcement. So by all means, 235 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,540 if you're going to bring in these tables, define what you want from proof. It's not in the 236 00:26:38,540 --> 00:26:43,580 plan now. If you just pop them in there and walk away, then problems will be worse. 237 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:49,880 And I say that, particularly, I'll close on this, is that, you know, as I understand these tables 238 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:56,660 and playgrounds, and these restrictions are the purview of police, department, and freck. 239 00:26:56,740 --> 00:27:00,100 I don't believe the park commission has a lot of say in that. 240 00:27:00,380 --> 00:27:06,380 You may look at their rules, but as well as why I say this commission should really look 241 00:27:06,380 --> 00:27:10,620 into what those improvements in our parks are going to do, because this is your one shot 242 00:27:10,620 --> 00:27:13,860 at the apples, I just speak, so I really recommend that as part of the strategy. 243 00:27:14,740 --> 00:27:18,000 But Nancy sounds like, you know, you're getting out of through some of these other elements, 244 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:25,780 more trees, the worst places, Hampton, but again, I would think from this commission's perspective, 245 00:27:26,980 --> 00:27:31,200 look at those two elements, and because they are what the city needs. 246 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,160 Lower PDM, particularly needs the dog right. 247 00:27:33,220 --> 00:27:39,640 They have lost a major asset, and I think the city needs to look into that with this sustainable eye. 248 00:27:40,180 --> 00:27:44,700 Great, thank you for your comments. I appreciate them. I appreciate your comments. 249 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:53,140 Nancy, let's move on to item four, which is related, someone, because we're talking about 250 00:27:53,140 --> 00:27:54,040 capital projects. 251 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,200 So, that's for the current, for the start of the deal. 252 00:27:59,360 --> 00:27:59,640 Sorry, 253 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,260 I just wanted to get my phone by a timer. 254 00:28:05,620 --> 00:28:10,960 So I discussed with our public work director, and he recommended that we push this to 255 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:17,980 in November because so much of our part commission is not available to hear, he thought 256 00:28:17,980 --> 00:28:21,280 it was a dialogue that the entire commission should hear. 257 00:28:22,580 --> 00:28:29,920 But so that first half, the facility capital projects will bring back to you in November. 258 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:41,880 The second item, which is scheduling the annual report, I think it would be who this commission 259 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:49,900 to really start thinking about it as soon as possible because the budget planning and 260 00:28:49,900 --> 00:28:56,720 the budget workshops come up fairly quickly and if we're presenting, I think they start 261 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:05,020 in March or April, if we are presenting our request and they're more than likely will be 262 00:29:05,020 --> 00:29:13,520 a new public work director at that time in March or April, it's almost too late to kind 263 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:14,320 of get it in there. 264 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:23,460 So I think if we could get the report to the new public work director in February, that would 265 00:29:23,460 --> 00:29:24,360 be really ideal. 266 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:32,360 So, I just wanted to make get it on the part commission calendar that we start working on there. 267 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:40,060 Recommendations to council is, you know, sooner than we did last year. 268 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:48,700 Okay. I agree. I think that makes sense. One question for logistical question would be, 269 00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:59,660 If we want to have a report that proposes or recommends a capital project that's in line with the sustainability. 270 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,660 Master plan, for example, the priorities that are laid out in there. Slope stability, or irrigation, 271 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:13,960 management, or something like that. You probably, in terms of brown act, you probably need 272 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:20,860 to have a dialogue in an open session about ideas that commissions might have before doing that. 273 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,320 So we need a couple of meetings. 274 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:28,260 Okay. Would you like for the November meeting to have a discussion? 275 00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:34,280 I think so. I think I think what I would encourage and we can talk about this also in October, 276 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,400 but in search commissioners too. Not October. 277 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,060 Well, it depends on whether you want to have it in October or not. 278 00:30:40,500 --> 00:30:47,680 I would give commissioners a month their warning to read through the sustainability report 279 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:54,440 and maybe come with some ideas about some things we might want to consider recommending to city staff 280 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,320 for potential inclusion in the budget, realizing that, you know, we're making 281 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:04,880 recommendation and we don't, we're not determinative of course, and that there's 282 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,680 many other competing priorities, but if we had a particular priority or a 283 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,460 particular recommendation that we wanted to highlight in that report, I think 284 00:31:12,460 --> 00:31:16,900 that'd be good to discuss early on. It sounds like maybe targeting the report to 285 00:31:16,900 --> 00:31:19,020 be given to Council of January or so. 286 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:34,300 I think it would be great to start the discussion in October because we may or may not have a meeting in December. 287 00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:38,940 Yeah, we typically have a very short if we have one at all. 288 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,860 Are there questions or comments on that item? 289 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,500 I guess I've been reading about it and thinking about the El Nino, 290 00:31:50,860 --> 00:31:51,920 this is coming. 291 00:31:53,300 --> 00:31:55,920 And I was wondering maybe they could talk about this. 292 00:31:56,100 --> 00:32:01,140 If there are, you know, newer term projects that the city ought to be considering, 293 00:32:01,140 --> 00:32:03,600 you know, in anticipation of that? 294 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:04,460 Yeah. 295 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,240 I think we'll get to him on the agenda just in a second here. 296 00:32:08,180 --> 00:32:12,280 early as the next had to speak for a long time, unless we can fill a buster for 40 297 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:12,880 five minutes. 298 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:15,780 Yeah, I think that's wise. 299 00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:16,520 I think that's wise. 300 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,440 We have talked a little bit, but I'll let Nick talk about some of our 301 00:32:22,180 --> 00:32:23,220 compost, uh, 302 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,740 uh, waddles that we're thinking of using. 303 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:30,700 Yeah. 304 00:32:30,860 --> 00:32:31,940 Any public comment on this? 305 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:33,720 Absolutely. 306 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,540 Yeah, I mean, 307 00:32:40,030 --> 00:32:43,070 the process I didn't think I proposed new ones, but I didn't make a good point. 308 00:32:43,750 --> 00:32:46,470 We'll be getting to that in upcoming meetings. 309 00:32:46,770 --> 00:32:51,390 Yeah, but no, I would just, I like your point, Tom, as I, you know, start the discussion now, 310 00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:52,630 and I would get the word out. 311 00:32:52,830 --> 00:32:58,510 I mean, I will tell people that, you know, this commission that wanted to fix the dawn part, 312 00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:59,630 we'll be looking for ideas. 313 00:32:59,850 --> 00:33:02,830 So I will be certainly, I don't know, but I think it's, 314 00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:09,850 And doing it in the sustainability plan, you know, is a good way to advertise it, right? 315 00:33:10,310 --> 00:33:18,690 You know, unless you kind of bring projects out to the public, bit visual projects in problems sites, it may just slip away. 316 00:33:19,230 --> 00:33:20,450 So I really, I'd like your point. 317 00:33:20,950 --> 00:33:22,190 Thank you. 318 00:33:23,290 --> 00:33:23,530 Jack. 319 00:33:24,970 --> 00:33:45,670 I actually like the idea of including sustainability report and there was the action items there and prioritizing it because it gives us it's more than just our voice or opinion it has a little whom behind it that someone will listen to it 320 00:33:45,670 --> 00:33:50,330 there's more than the park commission, this is a, you know, I'm going to think so, I think that's great. 321 00:33:53,110 --> 00:33:56,490 Okay, so Nancy, you'll schedule agenda items as appropriate for that? 322 00:33:56,670 --> 00:33:58,930 Yes, and I, I think we'll do it in October. 323 00:33:59,690 --> 00:34:00,810 Yeah, that's good. 324 00:34:01,930 --> 00:34:02,170 Okay. 325 00:34:03,530 --> 00:34:07,350 Next item is the maintenance report. 326 00:34:12,330 --> 00:34:12,990 Good evening. 327 00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:18,030 Your park staff has been very busy this past month. 328 00:34:18,030 --> 00:34:21,530 maintenance in our parks, meetings, and we also continue planning trades. 329 00:34:22,610 --> 00:34:26,930 We just recently planted four cherry trees on Cherry Walk, four dogwoods, and main park 330 00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:27,670 gilford area. 331 00:34:28,210 --> 00:34:33,530 One Persian ironwood on Bonita, two Chinese pistachio on Vista, and one Chinese pistachio 332 00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:36,570 on Magnolia that presumably a high school kid ran over. 333 00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:41,290 We were alerted to a tree that had been not over when high school started. 334 00:34:41,830 --> 00:34:46,710 On the homeowner, over there said, look like the kid was trying to pair a little park and 335 00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:51,410 one over the curb, and he took off, and the tree was uprooted when we got there. 336 00:34:51,870 --> 00:34:54,310 So, smaller Chinese pistachios tree, but it was replaced. 337 00:34:54,710 --> 00:34:57,330 We're about, that was right over here, like 500 block of Magnolia. 338 00:34:57,350 --> 00:34:58,730 Oh, right, right, right there. 339 00:34:59,370 --> 00:34:59,950 So, if you guys see... 340 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:06,400 Anyone have any teenagers around with Tony Spastaskark on the board, guys let me know. 341 00:35:06,860 --> 00:35:11,720 Ture your moveals, not mention that one. Staff removed five dead trees throughout town. 342 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:19,880 This last month, all these trees were dead. trees being small, stumps, not so, 343 00:35:20,140 --> 00:35:23,740 our contractor will meet needed to remove the stumps where trees once stood. 344 00:35:23,900 --> 00:35:27,420 Replacements will be added, so we will replace all these trees once were. 345 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,640 The team kept up with the raising of the trees throughout town. 346 00:35:32,740 --> 00:35:33,960 We've been going around the schools. 347 00:35:34,140 --> 00:35:37,080 When school started, just to get the eye-poggers and head knockers, 348 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,280 I've also noticed a lot of just fun driving around town 349 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,680 that street signs and stop signs are blocked by low hanging limbs. 350 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:45,720 So they'll continue on doing that in the next month, raising the trees. 351 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,880 Summer limb drop did. 352 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,660 Start up again this last month. 353 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:52,880 Not too many, but the two that we did have was pretty significant. 354 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,600 We had two large limbs, one on Hampton, 355 00:35:55,600 --> 00:36:04,940 Hampton and one on Sheridan. The one on Sheridan was a large lamb and with the three trees there that are repeat offenders, so they're on the watch list right now. 356 00:36:05,700 --> 00:36:08,600 There will be some hit safety pruning down to those three trees over there. 357 00:36:09,940 --> 00:36:17,440 Still on trees, two campers were removed last month due to the fact that we could not put sidewalk back without removing large butchers roots. 358 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,200 These trees were located on Grand Avenue on Cambridge Way. 359 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:24,660 three more liquid amortries are slated to come out on specific part of the same 360 00:36:24,660 --> 00:36:28,400 cyglock repair project. Again, where these trees were standing, they will be replaced. 361 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,640 Lastly, we came across some vandalism in our main park. 362 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,460 Looks as if someone had made a stencil and sprayed some political statements 363 00:36:37,460 --> 00:36:41,100 within our park, staff jumped on these sites and cleaned them up, 364 00:36:41,260 --> 00:36:45,720 look as if nothing was ever there. The lawns also were touched up again with the same 365 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:51,720 That's a six million material at main park, nothing politically charged, just a big dead spot. 366 00:36:52,380 --> 00:36:55,040 Now I know you guys were mentioning the El Nino coming up. 367 00:36:55,420 --> 00:37:00,060 We are taking, we're starting to do sandbags right now and getting the yard cleaned up, 368 00:37:00,060 --> 00:37:02,940 just to have more stuff available in our yard this year. 369 00:37:03,460 --> 00:37:08,640 I know I'm looking at all the, what they're saying is coming right now. 370 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:13,160 It kind of looks like we're on the fringe of it, but we still are making that preparation. 371 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:22,980 So we're starting with the sandbags, I don't want to swamp the guys with all the sandbags and one week or two weeks, because it's a whole lot of sandbag and going on, which is not a bad thing. 372 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,760 But you generally remove debris that might be blocking storm drains. 373 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:34,680 We've done that and we went into the main park in Oak Creek where we go and we stockpile on the side during the season. 374 00:37:35,060 --> 00:37:37,520 That's all been removed already, we did that like two months ago. 375 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,400 Okay, so that's all cleared out and ready to go. 376 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,340 We'll hit that again though once the first storm is on its way, 377 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,340 just to make sure everything's up and up. 378 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,100 Nancy mentioned the models that we're gonna be placing with compost ones. 379 00:37:50,540 --> 00:37:53,380 So the ones that you're seeing right now, I believe we're gonna remove is the plan 380 00:37:53,380 --> 00:37:55,520 and we're replacing with compost models. 381 00:37:57,100 --> 00:37:59,620 So that's going to be one of the hot spots we're gonna be. 382 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,840 I'm gonna have a guy on standby over there, 383 00:38:01,980 --> 00:38:03,840 standing at that one catch base and up on the stand, 384 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,340 because that once that one goes everything goes. 385 00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:17,560 So the, I think one of the changes that's happened over the years is we get more and more compliance issues. 386 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:28,780 And one of the compliance issues with, and it's all really, I support the philosophy behind the compliance. 387 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:30,760 It's just sometimes hard to implement. 388 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:40,280 So we have requirements for the city is supposed to use so many cubic yards of compost and mulch, 389 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:48,500 and they have to be compost and mulch that is diverted from landfill, so it is reused material. 390 00:38:49,940 --> 00:38:53,020 We are starting to change our mulch to use that. 391 00:38:53,020 --> 00:38:58,760 Of course, one of the challenges is our old mulch had more fiber in it, 392 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,360 And that's new mulch tends to move more. 393 00:39:02,940 --> 00:39:06,560 So, but we have to comply and use recycled material. 394 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,700 One of the things that we use these compost, 395 00:39:10,020 --> 00:39:12,840 they're basically waddles, but they're filled with compost, 396 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:17,600 is we can get credit for our compliance for that. 397 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,440 Now, it's more work for Nick 398 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:27,040 because these compost waddles are heavier. 399 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:32,320 But I think they may stay in place a little bit better, 400 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:41,200 so it's just one of those challenges, making sure that we meet our requirements, 401 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:49,940 but they don't always are perfect fit for a small town with small books. 402 00:39:49,940 --> 00:39:56,140 what's the production capacity of those compost waffles like are they freely available or 403 00:39:56,140 --> 00:39:59,980 are they freely limited or you know I have a Denise has given me a 404 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:08,220 Local supplier at the places like B. Green and some of our bigger landscapes suppliers, we have 405 00:40:08,220 --> 00:40:15,020 not found them so we're we're probably going to pre-order them and make sure that we have 406 00:40:15,020 --> 00:40:20,760 them on site and actually at the scene of that they're installed in advance. So we'll be switching 407 00:40:21,380 --> 00:40:22,820 out some of those. 408 00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:27,740 Yeah, because one of the obviously one of the recommendations of the sustainability plan was to look 409 00:40:27,740 --> 00:40:34,500 for these high-slope areas, and I know we're working on that in Dresina, but in main 410 00:40:34,500 --> 00:40:39,680 park there's several other areas that are similar, and if you could expand the use of 411 00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:48,180 waddles, especially in prelude to potential heavy rain fall events, which could happen 412 00:40:48,180 --> 00:40:55,180 in the know menu. That might be helpful for future cleanup and land movement, and that's 413 00:40:56,700 --> 00:41:01,200 So, I don't know what the potential is there, but something you guys can look at. 414 00:41:02,910 --> 00:41:05,970 I just have to find a good local supplier for Nick. 415 00:41:06,010 --> 00:41:06,290 Sure. 416 00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:07,530 Because it's haven't shown me yet. 417 00:41:08,810 --> 00:41:11,050 Any other questions or comments from anyone else? 418 00:41:11,290 --> 00:41:11,650 Go ahead, Jack. 419 00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:15,930 You mentioned Pacific liquid air pressure. 420 00:41:16,530 --> 00:41:17,510 I just want to make sure I understood. 421 00:41:19,570 --> 00:41:22,730 So, you said the liquid air pressure is going to be replaced. 422 00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:27,310 have the cheese been picked out or are they going to be replaced with liquid numbers? 423 00:41:27,850 --> 00:41:28,570 No, no, no, okay. 424 00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:33,170 I've planted one liquid amber in the 19 years of being here. 425 00:41:33,590 --> 00:41:37,530 That would twist in a lot of arms for that to happen. 426 00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:39,270 Liquid amber is never going to be replaced. 427 00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:42,110 I believe they're going to be going back with Chinese pistachio. 428 00:41:43,610 --> 00:41:45,690 Yes, because we've got power lines. 429 00:41:46,410 --> 00:41:50,050 And we've also got planting areas that are about two feet wide. 430 00:41:50,050 --> 00:41:51,390 So, 431 00:41:56,810 --> 00:42:05,830 the lower, well, it's really one block of Pacific has the beautiful canopy of liquid 432 00:42:05,830 --> 00:42:13,490 ambers, and they have just reached their limit, especially the south side where they've 433 00:42:13,490 --> 00:42:23,370 topped by PG&E, and there is some concern when they've been topped numerous times that 434 00:42:23,370 --> 00:42:30,890 causes structural issues with it. So the three trees that are being removed are all on 435 00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:36,310 south side and have all been topped. And those locations, the homeowners have agreed to 436 00:42:36,310 --> 00:42:37,430 replacement trees. 437 00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:42,880 As an editorial comment, I've always really liked the Chinese 438 00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,420 in front of our house. 439 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,920 So I know they start out really small, but Mars is of a reasonable size and it's pretty 440 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,540 tree and it's just messy for about a week or two. 441 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:53,980 The gorgeous right now. 442 00:42:54,780 --> 00:42:56,760 Yeah, we're starting to go through it. 443 00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:57,520 It's interesting. 444 00:42:57,820 --> 00:43:08,900 It is one of the trees that's on double mountains trees for adaptive trees for a warmer climate. 445 00:43:08,900 --> 00:43:13,840 So they've got quite a list of trees, not all native and obviously Chinese 446 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:19,080 pistachio or not native, but it's just nice to see that one of our predominant 447 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,260 street trees is considered climate adaptive. 448 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,680 Nick, I wonder if you could talk briefly about the project in 449 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:32,820 Racina at the path replacement that was done a week or so ago. 450 00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:36,500 Just let us know what was going on there and why that needed to be done. 451 00:43:36,500 --> 00:43:41,120 Yeah, so we get a certain amount of money for Pathways and Parks every year. 452 00:43:41,620 --> 00:43:43,060 That was nominated as one of them. 453 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:43,620 I was out there. 454 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,440 We did the other side at the end of the fiscal year last year. 455 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,680 And when I was there looking at what that could use it to. 456 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,100 And I was an asphalt one. 457 00:43:52,300 --> 00:43:56,580 As fault pathways what happens to them is the roots will pop up right through. 458 00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,340 So easily. 459 00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:58,700 So we went back. 460 00:43:58,820 --> 00:43:59,580 We removed the asphalt. 461 00:43:59,780 --> 00:44:00,560 We went back with concrete. 462 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:02,380 So it's a nice thick and edge. 463 00:44:02,900 --> 00:44:04,860 But the guys did really, it's a new contractor. 464 00:44:04,860 --> 00:44:06,440 that do a really good work for us. 465 00:44:07,100 --> 00:44:08,560 So yeah, that was the reason for it. 466 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,800 It had tripping houses on it, had buckling and it had root 467 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,320 starting to come out of it. 468 00:44:13,820 --> 00:44:14,660 Yeah, it looks nice. 469 00:44:15,140 --> 00:44:17,520 Yeah, so good. 470 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,100 It's all my questions. 471 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:20,560 Thanks. 472 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:21,760 Thank you. 473 00:44:22,340 --> 00:44:22,520 All right. 474 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,420 Next up is announcements, old business and consideration 475 00:44:27,180 --> 00:44:28,560 of future agenda items. 476 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,060 I think we talked about some future agenda 477 00:44:30,060 --> 00:44:30,900 and it was already. 478 00:44:31,860 --> 00:44:33,840 Nancy, on old business, do you want to give us 479 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,980 follow up on last month's agenda item or the push 480 00:44:36,980 --> 00:44:37,660 expected of the tree. 481 00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:41,480 So the tree that was on Cambridge, we did have 482 00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,800 Darya of Court Science come out and she confirmed 483 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:51,520 that the structural integrity of the tree, the lean 484 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,620 of the tree, she supported the removal and replacement 485 00:44:55,620 --> 00:44:57,920 with a more suitable tree. 486 00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,380 so that 487 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:02,940 All 488 00:45:05,850 --> 00:45:16,130 right. Our next meeting is October 7th. So, Jack, go ahead, yeah. A couple more agenda item. 489 00:45:23,780 --> 00:45:37,600 I don't know if we could, I don't know if we could, I don't know if we could just set up a certain amount in a timeline that we could just kind of keep the process moving. 490 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:48,660 that would be great and I'm interested in a lot, there's just, I'd like to have a discussion 491 00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:51,100 about enforcement of park rules. 492 00:45:53,180 --> 00:45:58,260 There is none. There is zero, and so there's no compliance. 493 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:08,760 Yes, Nancy and I got into a little disagreement with some other members of the public. 494 00:46:09,020 --> 00:46:17,460 We happen to be at Dresina at the same time walking our dogs within compliance with the regulations and others were not. 495 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:24,780 So that is a challenge that's definitely a challenge and this is such a good further discussions. 496 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:33,200 Okay, so with all that said, our next meeting is Wednesday, October 7th at 530. 497 00:46:33,780 --> 00:46:35,820 We look forward to seeing you all there. 498 00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:36,920 Thanks, adjourned. 499 00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:37,440 Peace.