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Pledge allegiance
>> to the flag of the United States of

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America, and to the republic for which
it stands, one nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice
for all.

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» First item on the agenda is there any
public comments or questions concerning

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today's agenda?
>> Um, 2 weeks ago I revisited Lowe. He

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told us that he would have need to hire
three people to be at full staff, and

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yet there are eight people being hired
on today's agenda.

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» Well, he probably had more
vacancies than that. I don't I don't

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know what he told you back then. I
wasn't there. Um, but we know that this

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brings it to the full contingency, which
is not is nowhere higher than what the

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man is, which I think is 87 or 89.
>> 86, I think.

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» 86. So, this just brings us to 86.
Otherwise, [clears throat] it would say

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new hire and would say new positions,
and there would be a a motion out here

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to create a new position. These are all
just um, filling vacancies. So, I don't

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know. Maybe maybe the number changed
between now and then, which is very

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possible. Um, there is turnover rate at
the jail um, due to the complexities of

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the job.
>> Sir, can you please identify yourself

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for the record, please?
>> Um, Andrea Paskin, P A S K I N.

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» Anyone else? Any other
items on the agenda?

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Seeing none, motion to approve the
September 2nd, 2026 agenda.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is seconded. Any questions? All
in favor?

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» Aye.
>> Motion to approve the August 19th, 2026

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meeting minutes.
>> Motion.

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» Second.
>> Motion is seconded. Any questions? All

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in favor?
>> Aye.

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» Motion to approve the August 26th, 2026
conference minutes.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is seconded. All in favor?
>> Aye.

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» Motion to approve the payment from the
general fund in the amount of

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$1,445,524.49.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is seconded. Any questions? All
in favor?

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» Aye.
>> Motion to approve the payment from the

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Act 13 transportation account in the
amount of $4,930.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is seconded. Any questions? All
in favor?

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» Aye.
>> Motion to approve the payment from the

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SRCP debt fund in the amount of
$280,860.75.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is seconded. Any questions? All
in favor?

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» Aye.
>> Motion to approve the payment from the

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debt service fund in the amount of
$2,946,401.23.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is seconded. All in favor?
>> Aye.

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The first motion to hire Michelle Simone
as an office assistant job developer at

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the Career Center for a 30-hour work
week effective September 9, 2026 pending

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successful drug screening results with
benefits at the 90 days. This is a

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replacement position. Pike County will
be reimbursed with

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Workforce Innovation and Opportunity Act
funds.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is second. Any questions? All in
favor? Aye.

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Motion to acknowledge receipt of a
letter from Warden Lowe

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advising that he has hired the following
individuals with prison board approval

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as full-time correction officers for the
correctional facility for a 40-hour work

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week effective September 14, 2026 with
benefits at the 90 days.

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These are replacement positions. Anthony
Cruz, Christopher Wojnarowski, Carlie

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Echey, Samantha Cuevas, Cody Sell, Mario
Perry, Karen Barrow, Santiago Hicks.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is second. Questions? All in
favor? Aye. Motion to recess the

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Commissioners meeting to hold a salary
board meeting.

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» Second. [snorts]
>> Motion is second. All in favor?

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» Aye.
>> Motion to convene the salary board.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is second. All in favor?
>> Aye.

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» Motion to approve the August 19, 2026
salary board minutes.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is second. All in favor?
>> Aye.

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» Motion to set the hourly rate of
Michelle Simone at $19 per hour as an

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office assistant job developer developer
at the Career Center for a 30-hour work

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week effective September 9, 2026 pending
successful drug screening results with

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benefits at the 90 days. Pike County
will be reimbursed with Workforce

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Innovation and Opportunity Act funds.
>> Motion.

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» Second.
>> Motion is second. Any questions? All in

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favor? Aye.
Motion to set the hourly rate of the

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following individuals at $28.36
per hour as full-time correction

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officers for the correctional facility
for a 40-hour work week effective

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September 14, 2026 with benefits at the
90 days. Anthony Cruz, Christopher

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Hojnicki, Carly Etchi, Samantha Quevas,
Cody Sell, Mario Perry, Karen Barrow,

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and Shante Hicks. Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is second. Any questions? All in
favor? Aye.

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Motion to increase the hourly rate of
the following individuals to $39 per

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hour effective September 10th, 2026, due
to the terms of the agreement between

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Pike County and AFSCME District Council
13 for the completion of 8 years of

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service as a correctional [snorts]
officer for the correctional facility,

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Christian Campos and Barbara South.
Motion.

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» Second.
>> Motion is second. All in favor? Aye.

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Motion to increase the hourly rate of
Angelina Miller to $25 per hour

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retroactive to August 26th, 2026, in
accordance with the Children and Youth

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County Collective Bargaining Agreement
for the completion of the Foundations

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certification. Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion is second. All in favor? Aye.
Motion to increase the hourly rate of

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Kaylee Gentleman to $25 per hour
retroactive to August 26th, 2026, in

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accordance with the Children and Youth
County Collective Bargaining Agreement

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for the completion of the Foundations
certification. Motion.

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» Second.
>> Motion is second. All in favor? Aye.

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Motion to adjourn the salary board.
>> Motion.

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» Second.
>> Motion is second. All in favor? Aye.

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Motion to reconvene the Commissioners
meeting.

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» Motion.
>> Motion is second. All in favor? Aye.

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Motion to authorize the chairman to
execute the Pike County Highmark

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Traditional Indemnity Benefit Plan
Documents and Summary Plan Description

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effective January 1st, 2021, as we
stated

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as we stated January 1st, 2026.
>> Motion.

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» Second.
>> Motion is second. All in favor? Aye.

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Motion to execute the Children and Youth
Needs Based Budget Fiscal Year 2027-2028

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Certification Statement on behalf of
Children and Youth Services.

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» Motion.
>> Motion is second. All in favor? Aye.

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Motion to execute the contract for
professional services between Michael

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Church and the County of Pike on behalf
of the Children and Youth Services.

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» Motion.
>> Motion is second. All in favor? Aye.

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Motion to execute the
>> for professional services between

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Preventive Aftercare Incorporated and
the County of Pike on behalf of the

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Children and Youth Services.
>> Motion.

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» Second.
>> All in favor?

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» Aye.
>> Motion execute the contract for

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professional services between Action
Holistic Wellness Center and the County

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of Pike on behalf of the Children and
Youth Services.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion and second, all in favor?
>> Aye.

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» Motion to authorize the chairman to
execute the lease agreement from the

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Atlantic Tomorrow Tomorrow's office.
>> Motion.

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» Second.
>> Motion and second, all in favor?

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» Aye.
>> Motion to approve the Affordable Housing

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Fund payment voucher in the amount of
$13,949

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payable to the Delaware River Associates
on behalf of the Office of Human

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Services.
>> Motion.

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» Second.
>> Motion and second, all in favor?

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» Aye.
>> Aye.

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» Motion to approve the following Human
Service payment vouchers on behalf of

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the Office of Human Service, Fair in the
amount of $1,720,

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and Human Service Development Fund in
the amount of $528.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion and second, all in favor?
>> Aye.

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» Motion to authorize the chairman to
execute the work order from Experimental

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Wetland Services Incorporated for the
Winona Falls Road over Big Bushkill

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Creek proposed superstructure
replacement project.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion and second, all in favor?
>> Aye.

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» Motion to authorize the chairman to
execute the proposal from Rinaldi Land

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Surveying for the Winona Falls Road over
Big Bushkill Creek proposed

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superstructure replacement project.
>> Motion.

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» Second.
>> Motion and second, all in favor?

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» Aye.
>> Motion to approve the fiscal year 2026

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first and second quarter payment from
Pike County Emergency Medical Service

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Matching Grant Fund to the Matamoras
Borough in the amount of $12,500.

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» Motion.
>> Second.

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» Motion and second, all in favor?
>> Aye.

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» All right, under miscellaneous, as every
meeting we have the Penn State Extension

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calendar of events.
The next item we're we're announcing cuz

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we want everyone in the county to take
part of that, and that is the time

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capsule that the county is is it the
200th celebration of the 250th. So,

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the title of it is and
it's called

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» was an arrogant black
>> And it's a message to the future. So,

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these posters will be distributed to the
townships. And And you know, we're

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asking the townships to take part in
this, but we don't want it to just be

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government and and businesses and and
churches. We want it to be individuals

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in our community who explain what they
believe Pike County is, you know, why

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they came here, the message to the
future. Um I think it could be a fun

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project and it will all be stored here
in the county and be opened in 50 years

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when
none of us will be here. I settled

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around the room for a moment.
I don't want to make false statements.

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Um maybe. Maybe. I don't know. All
right, you might still be here.

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» Yeah.
>> Um yeah, maybe. Um but really, I I

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really urge everyone to take a look at
what we have on our website to do it and

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send in what you think is important for
that message cuz I think it's it I'm a

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historian at Penn State. I think those
type of things are so important for

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future generations to see
what is that we were facing in 2026 and

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what it is that maybe is not even
important in 2076. As we can understand,

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there's things that are not important
from 1976.

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I'm asking people to give us pictures,
papers. Don't put it on flash drives.

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Don't put it on anything like that cuz
they may not have the equipment cuz I

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will defy anybody in here to go home and
find an eight-track player in the

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basement. Okay? Now, yeah, you have one,
Sam. I put money on somebody before and

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I lost the bet.
But it's just more fun when you open up

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something like this where you actually
have documents. You have things that you

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can read and you can see as opposed to
let's find the CD player or whatever um

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to read this. So, um I'm just every
month I'm going to every meeting I'm

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going to put um keep on promoting this
cuz I think it's a really fun thing. Um

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we're asking for everything to be
returned by November 30th and then

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there'll be a sealing of it here in the
office on December 31st thereabout. Um

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and it's going to be kept, as I've said
in the meetings, above ground. We're not

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burying it. Um burying time capsules
causes all sorts of other issues to

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occur with the contents. And also, in 50
years, somebody will forget where you

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even buried it, right? Where it will be
mounted in our office here. We have a

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design to put it in the wall, and
in 50 years, the sitting commissioners

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can open it up and
and see what it is that we told them

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that was so important in
2026. Then they laugh and say, "Well,

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that ain't important anymore."
So, on that note,

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um the next two announcements we have on
here is the two senior expos that are

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coming up. One by Jeff Olsomers,
um that's September 18th, 2026, in the

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Dingman firehouse. And the other is
Charles Probst, uh September 25th, which

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is going to be in the Bushkill Outreach
Center.

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Did you have anything you wanted to
speak about that, um Jill? And I know

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» I have flyers here.
>> Okay. Flyers are here. Okay. So, um

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that's all I have. So, next we have is
pressing public comment.

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» I would like to speak.
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» One thing.
I guess I'll stand over here.

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» Huh?

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» [clears throat]

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» Good morning, commissioners. Good
morning, everyone here. I'm Sheryl

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Glenn. I'm a resident of Delaware
Township, and I'm here to advocate for

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additional ballot drop boxes in Pike
County ahead of the November 3rd

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election.
Many Pike County voters have expressed

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the need for additional drop boxes
outside the one that we presently have.

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Voting should be made more accessible to
the elderly and handicapped in our

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county, as well as the voting population
at large.

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For a county as vast as Pike County,
with its 46,000 registered voters, one

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ballot box is not sufficient.
A lone ballot box poses difficulty for

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many in our community. The location of
the present ballot drop box here at the

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administration building makes it easy
for residents of Milford, Matamoras,

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Shohola, and Westfall to cast their
ballots. But, what about the additional

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nine townships?
Lehman and Lackawaxen voters have to

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travel, and I'm being very conservative
here, an hour and half round trip in

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order to cast their ballot. Not to
mention the cost of gasoline.

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Casting a ballot should not cause
difficulty, but be made as easily and

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securely as possible.
At this moment in time, the United

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States Postal Service does not exude
confidence that one's ballot will be

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delivered on time. In fact, some people,
and I'm included, are worried that

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ballots will not be delivered at all.
When one considers the immense area of

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Pike County, there should be more than
one ballot box to cover the entire

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county.
Monroe County has seven drop boxes.

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Lackawanna has six. Luzerne has two and
is considering three additional before

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election day.
I know that asking to cover 13 townships

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is a lot to ask in so short of period of
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» [snorts]
>> However, maybe we can start with two.

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One in the south and one to the north.
They could be housed in secure township

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buildings that have 24-hour surveillance
and locking safes.

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This would be three, which would include
the one here at the administration

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building.
Going forward, we could add more to

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cover more townships, but adding two
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Voting should be encouraged and made
accessible without undue burden to all

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eligible voters. I am asking the Board
of Elections to consider increasing the

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number of voting ballot drop boxes in
Pike County before the November 3rd

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election for the ease and accessibility
to the treasured right to vote.

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Thank you for your attention.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you, Sharon.
>> Do you want

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Do you want to respond to
>> So, I will respond to this and we

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responded to this other years. Um,
I think people have

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viable way many different options to
vote. And while voting is a right, it is

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also a responsibility to make sure that
you can determine where it is and how

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you vote. Um, I'm just going to read you
something cuz I knew you were coming for

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this and um,
we I disagree. I don't think that we

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need more drop boxes. I did notice in
one Monroe County, but they're all in

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libraries. There's There's only one in a
municipal building and that's in Middle

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Smithfield.
To lay this on to our municipal

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officials um, in offices that are not
always manned, I think in some cases is

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going to add even more question about
who has [snorts] possession of the

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ballots. The ballots have to always be
in the in the custody of the Board of

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Elections. Sending people to each one of
these units, we would have to send them

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in my mind, this is me and I think Ron
agrees, we have to send them daily. We

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can't leave ballots laying in a box in
an office someplace in Pike County. So,

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you know, I'm going to just read you
some things I put together on this and

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this document outlines our position
regarding additional ballot drop boxes

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in Pike County.
Our objective is to ensure elections

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remain accessible, secure, transparent,
and worthy of the public's confidence

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while recognizing the practical
realities of administering the elections

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in rural Pennsylvania in Pike County,
I'm sorry.

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Pike County provides a secure ballot
return location. Pike County maintains a

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secure ballot drop box inside the
courthouse, inside the county

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administration building.
The drop box is under the supervision of

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the Pike County Board of Elections. The
lobby is staffed by the Pike County

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Sheriff. So, we know, as we all know,
you're not allowed to be dropping off

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somebody else's ballot. So, when we put
these ballot boxes in some other

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location, who's going to monitor them?
Who's going to sit there? Nobody in the

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townships is going to do that, and I
would not expect them to be the ones

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responsible to determine whether
somebody brought in one ballot, two

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ballots, three ballots, or four ballots.
There is a There is I'm just going to be

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There's a number of drop boxes. And
they're post and they're mailboxes.

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The The obligation of us as voters is if
you get your ballot, and I think the

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ballots are sent out I believe the end
of September.

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You have a month to get those into the
mail. Now, if you decide to hold onto

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that ballot and wait until 2 days before
election day, well, I'm just going to

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say shame on you. You should have mailed
it sooner. Or, you have another choice.

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You can go to the polling place, and you
can give it to them, and you can vote.

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You can come down here and deliver it.
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Elec- Election security is our
responsibility, and I don't feel that

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these boxes give the security to these
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The townships
13 municipalities, and whether we view

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Lackawaxen or whatever, I don't even
know if these offices, and maybe

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Lackawaxen is, and maybe Lehman are open
20 are open every day.

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Um
Well, I just don't think that it's

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practical solution to do this.
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They already have multiple ways to vote.
Think about this. 10 years ago, you had

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one way to vote.
You had to go to the polling place, or

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you had to apply for a absentee ballot
for a viable reason. They have opened

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this up so that you can get mail-in
ballots. I do not believe that doing

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this is going to all of a sudden make
people people want to vote. I think

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people are voting already. Um
So, our position is um

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is that we're going to just stay with
the way we are. We're going to have the

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drop box here.
And we're going to just have people They

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can early vote. That's the other thing
they can do. They can come here on a

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certain date. They can start to early
vote. So, there's a lot of convenient

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ways for them to vote. Um
and I know the post office has its warts

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and bubbles, but I don't think it's that
big. If you get your ballot in in time,

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I mean you have a month to get your
ballot back in.

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I would think that you have a
responsibility to do that.

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So, I
That's our That's our positions on this.

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» Well, when you say our, do you mean you
and Ron?

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» Yeah.
>> Okay. So, I would like to answer and

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thank you, Shell, for coming in and
registering your opinion. I agree I

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agree with you. I think that mail-in
voting is only going to increase. I

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think that when you consider the vast
um

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corners of the county and how far people
have to travel at now four 450 a gallon

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in gas, I think that when you look
[snorts] at the instability of our

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postal service, which is very
unfortunate, but that's what we're

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dealing with. I think that when you look
at the increase in mail-in voting by all

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political parties,
all political parties,

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our role as the Board of Elections
should be to do all that we can to

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provide access
to vote.

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And that's in any way
taxpayer, resident, registered voter

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should want to do it. You must think
about people with disabilities. You must

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think about people with lesser means.
You must think about people that have

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different work schedules. And sometimes
these things do not all align with

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some of the things that you mentioned.
So, I say and I believe that it is our

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right, it is our duty, and it is
possible if we have the will.

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» Well, they don't have to drive an hour
and a half. You can drive to your poll.

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As you've done for many years, all of us
in this room are old enough to know that

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on election day, we took the time on
election day until 8:00 at night and

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drove to the polls.
People have been using absentee ballots

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for since 1931.
People that were viable

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applied for it. So, and there was never
an issue with it. We didn't hear from

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people with absentee ballots back then,
however many of them that we should make

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it more convenient to drop it off. They
applied for an absentee ballot and they

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mailed it. The military gets absentee
ballots. So, you know, this hour and a

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half drive, that's only if you want to
go drop your ballot off. You have a

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choice.
Go to the polls.

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» Yeah, I'll I'll say that I I appreciate
you coming in and and reading reading

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your statement, but I do concur
um with Matt that um I am always

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concerned about the security of each and
every ballot. And that is a a

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responsibility that we don't take
lightly, and I don't believe we have the

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ability to [clears throat] do that with
the additional drop box around town, my

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opinion.
Thank you, Sheriff.

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» Yeah, thank you for coming in.
Any other topic?

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» Yeah, Fred Weber, Fred Weber, Milford
Borough. Um just a quick question. How

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big is this time capsule? Can it fit a
small body or something?

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» Well, it could because the the proposal
is I have it designed that it could be

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cuz it could be a lot of documents.
The maximum size can be 24 in deep, 24

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in wide, and 8 ft long.
>> Well, 8 ft long?

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» So, you could fit it.
>> [laughter]

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» After losing a little weight
[clears throat] first, but yeah.

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» No, it's going to be on a concrete
floor, so you don't have to worry.

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» So, uh
one other point that that may not be for

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this meeting, but I know you're chairman
of the Pike County Economic Development

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Authority. And I would ask that, you
know, I'm I'm really really

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happy that you guys videotape this and
then upload it to YouTube on the same

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day. It just makes it really really
good. We're talking about convenience

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and people wanting to know what's going
on um with decisions are being made. I

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think this is really really important.
And I would ask that you do the same

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thing for the Pike County Economic
Development Authority, which you chair,

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uh that those also be taped and uploaded
to YouTube. Um it's a very important

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meeting as far as the development of the
county. And it's uh at the unfortunate

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hour of 8:00 a.m., so even I can't make
it. I think you did that on purpose, but

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uh
>> It's always been that.

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» Yeah. I'm
>> Had nothing to do with you, Fred. We had

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it at 8:00 a.m. for years, but thanks
for thinking you were special.

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» Exactly. I I did think I was special on
that.

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» I know you did.
>> But, I'm glad you knocked that down, so.

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Um
the other thing uh with the videotape, I

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wasn't able to make the last meeting,
but it really

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I'm so glad it was videotaped cuz
I was looking at it and I got to the end

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comments and I had to rewind it three
times because a resident compared our uh

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correctional facility to Dachau.
>> Yeah.

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» And and I am really happy that you
challenged that uh as the commissioners

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and uh Mr. Farley as the solicitor. I
mean, that is just outrageous to think

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that our correctional facility be
compared to a place where 40,000 people,

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over 40,000 people, lost their lives,
were gassed, shot, and starved to death.

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And here in our correctional facilities,
you got a choice of ramen noodles and

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you can make phone calls. I mean, this
is just absolutely absurd. And I'm glad

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you challenged it and
those type of comments and comparisons

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always need to be challenged. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Fred.

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» Thank you.
>> Anyone have anything else?

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» Hi. My name is Eleanor Spear and I'm
Delaware Township. I actually would I'm

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here to get some clarification as
opposed to asking questions.

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Um
in May, you guys gave a contribution to

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Habitat for Humanity for $75,000.
And in the little article I saw, it said

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that you do this
in 6 months. So, my first question is,

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do you do this every 6 months? Do you
And do you give every 6 months to

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Habitat for Humanity?
>> It does. It comes out of a

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um
Act 131 189 139.

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» 139.
>> So, this is recording of documents in

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the
the recorder of deeds office to record

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of deeds. Any documents that are
recorded in the county and the statute

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[clears throat]
states that the only thing we can do

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with that money for is for housing
initiatives. So, that is why Habitat for

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Humanity qualifies.
Um you saw some funding here that comes

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out I don't know some funding comes out
for rental assistance also. That's the

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only thing we can use those funds for.
It's dealt through the Human Services

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Department. Um
>> Okay, is there any other organization

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that perhaps
should be soliciting for these funds?

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Because Habitat is quite stable. I don't
claim I love Habitat to do what it's

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doing,
but it's it's quite stable. And I am

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just wondering at $75,000 every 6
months, they've already gotten a grant

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with LSA grant for $150,000. Is there
any other organization that maybe you

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could reach out to and ask them to apply
for this money?

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» If there's housing if there's housing
initiatives in this county,

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um Rob Rueger who runs our unit he does
reach out to them cuz he has other

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access to other funds. I know that there
was a grant program just put in recently

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to help businesses um develop
some housing initiatives for employees

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because those in those individuals
there's there's a tough time in this

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county for affordable housing. So, he
has reached out for that. So, um yeah,

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we we can look at that. But, Habitat so
you understand

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um that
that fund was created back in like 1992

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whenever Habitat was uh created um they
started the fund that. So,

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but I want to say that there's it's a a
vast source and a bottomless well. It's

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not, but it is it does generate a lot of
money every quarter because you can

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imagine every time somebody goes into
the courts and records a document

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whether it's $5 a deed or whatever, it
there's a percentage or there's a fee

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that's attached to that that goes in
there. I don't know if Tommy probably

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knows
>> Act 137.

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» Act 137 probably $15 or something.
Yeah, yeah. We will we'll look at all

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that.
>> But, I just I'm just

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I would appreciate it if if you
>> And if you know of any

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» I was about to ask do you know of any?
yeah, I talked to a few people and I'm

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trying to get the word out there as
well. This is a lot of money for one

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organization. Who is doing good work?
Understood. I hear what you're saying.

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Yeah, but it had I don't believe it can
be individuals, but that would be

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something for the
but we have funds for individuals so you

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know, we have vast amounts of money for
individuals for housing rehab

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that many times we struggle
in giving it out because and it's not so

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much that we can't find people
the

422
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:27,440
the regulations and the owners
requirements that the homeowner has to

423
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:30,880
get to and sometimes the house is in
such a deplorable condition.

424
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,160
It needs to meet a certain standard
before you can put I'll just say the

425
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,400
roof. Can't put a roof on a house that
has a bad electrical system. You have to

426
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:41,440
find something and the
requirement is you can't spend over

427
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:45,640
25,000. So if you have a house that's in
really bad shape in this day and age

428
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:49,480
unfortunately $25,000 doesn't go very
far anymore. So but we work at it. But

429
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,960
if you have other
organizations, please tell us who they

430
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,000
are.
So I take take it what you're looking

431
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,160
for and I want to make sure that I
understand what you're looking for. I

432
00:27:56,480 --> 00:28:02,360
take it what you're looking for is some
type of

433
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:07,040
review, some application open period, a
process where organizations submit

434
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:10,560
something. That or or at least more
communication so that people know if

435
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:15,200
this is available
so that it's not going just to one

436
00:28:12,120 --> 00:28:18,360
organization as good as it is.
There might be more people out there who

437
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:21,160
could use this money if it's available.
Correct and I'm

438
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:25,640
I figure that's what you were saying,
but what I'm thinking is it would still

439
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:30,880
require a process that we may not
absolutely. So so if that would assuming

440
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:34,600
that you know, as long as there's
agreement there will be right. There

441
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:37,920
will be a process, right? It's available
to people. I just think that

442
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:41,400
there's a lot of older people in the
community who've been here a long time

443
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,840
who might need this help. So we can get
the word out. Tom, we'll let Tom do some

444
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:50,280
research, but I I don't want to mislead
you. This fund is not for

445
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:53,640
a family to apply for.
That's a different fund. There are funds

446
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:56,600
out there that Right? Right? By my
understanding. But I don't want to

447
00:28:54,760 --> 00:29:00,560
mislead people to think that this this
fund is for that. Tom Tom can do the

448
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:05,600
research on He has many times cuz
sometimes it sits with

449
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:07,720
There was a time with 1.2 or 1.3 million
dollars in there.

450
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,200
Um so
>> where we need more communication

451
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:13,680
» Right. But what I'm saying is that
>> He's trying to tell you that it was an

452
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:17,600
extremely restricted
>> Yeah, extremely. But not to individuals.

453
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:20,440
» But that's and that's also for
construction, correct?

454
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,880
» Not for individuals.
>> No, I know. I know. I'm saying for the

455
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,320
nonprofits though it's for home
construction.

456
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:30,400
» It was to generate home construction or
something. So it's got It's a very

457
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:34,160
limited goal.
>> Well, look at it and they did it in the

458
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:38,600
'90s with Margaret and
Leslie Margaret Jones and Johnny Frank.

459
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:42,480
And at the same time he was very active
and she was with Habitat. So it

460
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:45,960
developed into a nice program. So what
you keep saying is it's solid. It's

461
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,560
solid because of the way it was set up
in the '90s and it continues to be

462
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,080
solid. I think he's up
kind of like

463
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,880
» 30 years?
>> 30 years 35 years.

464
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:58,080
» But it has to meet that specific
standards. And I I don't think there's

465
00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,320
anybody that I know of in this county
in this county right now who

466
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:04,600
» [clears throat and cough]
>> meets the requirements. You could find

467
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:08,680
one or someone thinks they can, great.
But recognize it's not like a free bee.

468
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:13,040
It's set up through the state to use
those particular funds for Habitat.

469
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,480
» Okay.
>> Thank you.

470
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,640
» Thank you.
>> You know what?

471
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:20,000
» Well, I just Just Just take me I'm
sorry. I'll let you speak. We did fund

472
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:24,480
something 3 years ago. We funded a
housing study of PASS.

473
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:27,920
For Pike Autism Support Services, right?
They qualified under that. And if you go

474
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,800
to them, they have a
a whole village concept that they've

475
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:35,800
designed and that was paid for I think
it was somewhere in the range of $75,000

476
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:39,240
almost the same number
to pay consultants and they have the

477
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:43,760
whole design done where they paid for
engineers. Now obviously this thing is a

478
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:47,800
major project. It's going to take
millions to build it, but they're on

479
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:51,440
that path now to raise the funds. So,
there are organizations that it just hit

480
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:55,280
me that past was one who qualified for
this.

481
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:59,120
And they got it. Yeah.
>> My name is Martha Raymond. I also live

482
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:04,080
in Delaware Township. I I just have a
question clarification on your remarks.

483
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:10,240
You said it was important that there be
an individual who verifies

484
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:13,040
each ballot that comes in.
Who is that person?

485
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,160
» The sheriff is sitting out here. If he
sees you coming in with more than one

486
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,400
ballot,
>> he stops you and asks you.

487
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,520
» He also has a camera on it.
>> at the signature.

488
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,880
» No, no. He doesn't No, no, no. He
doesn't do that. He just makes sure that

489
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:28,200
you're only coming in with one ballot.
And if you're coming in with two, so we

490
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:32,000
we're clear, he does not deny you. He
tells you you need to go downstairs and

491
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,440
see the Board of Elections. He won't let
you put them in the box.

492
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,320
» So, then you go down there. That's not
full verification.

493
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,560
» No, but when you go to
No, but when you go downstairs, what

494
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,920
they confirm is they confirm You can
drop off somebody else's ballot. You

495
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,360
have to have a signed affidavit by that
person to drop off their ballot. He

496
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,920
makes They downstairs in their meeting
in their office, they confirm that you

497
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,320
have that.
>> For each ballot that comes in?

498
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,360
» No, if you have more than one.
>> Okay, but you don't know if

499
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,120
» He does.
>> if there is one if there's one, you

500
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:04,480
don't know the verification of that
particular one.

501
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:07,440
If there's one ballot, no one's checking
whether that's the verification signed

502
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,120
or
>> No. Well, well

503
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,800
» No, no, no.
>> It's right down to

504
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,440
» The election board is they do the proper
procedure and they scan it and make sure

505
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,840
the number is right.
>> two?

506
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,440
» Tell me every every one is scanned to
make sure

507
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,560
» What I
>> their ballot

508
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,440
» What I think Martha's saying is if
they're going to the drop box here and

509
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:26,200
they're putting in one ballot, you don't
know if it's their ballot

510
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,200
» Oh, absolutely. We're hoping that you're
being truthful, but we can't do that.

511
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,360
» Right.
>> And so, but at the same time, we can't

512
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:31,800
do that.
>> But

513
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:36,720
» But that you need to take
>> That's the situation if there was a

514
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:39,760
ballot box some located somewhere else.
>> We But we're more concerned about you

515
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,800
dropping off more than one ballot. We
can't tell whether you're dropping off

516
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,880
somebody else's, but you are on the
camera. And I will just bring up an

517
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,000
instance of this.
>> set That's a subset of a larger ballot

518
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,920
set.
>> Yes. Remember what happened in Monroe

519
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:54,480
County? A sitting county commissioner
who voted one day her ballot, and the

520
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:57,560
next day was shown dropping off another
ballot, and she's on camera, and she was

521
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,600
dropping off her husband's, and she got
dinged for it. That is the problem. You

522
00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:04,640
only, you know, I mean, this is all of
us. We're supposed to be honest and

523
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,200
truthful about what we're doing when we
vote. You're right, somebody could play

524
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:11,400
the game, but if you have one ballot and
you bring it in here, you should be

525
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:14,680
bringing just your own. Not some
And And that's a state law.

526
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:19,160
» No, I'm saying I'm not I'm not arguing
it's not. I'm just saying that's a

527
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,240
subset of what may happen with this
particular issue.

528
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:24,720
» we have a responsibility of that. That's
what the Board of Election does, to make

529
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:30,120
sure that this the law is followed and
and it's secure voting, so.

530
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:34,240
» Okay. Along those lines, I This has been
going on for many years with um

531
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:38,800
You had mentioned when it started. I
don't remember when, but many years

532
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:41,720
we've had drop boxes in
many states.

533
00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:45,440
And
there's been study after study, and

534
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:50,800
there hasn't been these problems that
you're talking about. One One example,

535
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:56,800
yes, is out there, but the percentages
for overall have been so minuscule that

536
00:33:53,720 --> 00:34:01,440
is it really worth taking them all out?
>> But it's then of the logistics problem.

537
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:04,720
Because somebody has to go every day and
pick up those ballots. And it has to be

538
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:08,159
somebody in the Board of Elections. We
can't just authorize a sheriff's deputy

539
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,919
to do this. And
I [clears throat]

540
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:14,280
I'm sorry. I I know
you're I'm just going to be honest.

541
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,159
You're not going to convince me. There's
There's There's opportunities for people

542
00:34:15,879 --> 00:34:21,308
to vote. There's plenty of
opportunities. More opportunities than

543
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:24,639
we had 10 years ago, right? So, now we
[clears throat] have a responsibility as

544
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,960
citizens of this country to make sure
that we get our vote in, whether it's on

545
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:33,520
Election Day, whether it's coming here
earlier. And that's I think that is It's

546
00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:37,120
time for people to be able to vote.
>> I understand, but we have made it easier

547
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,600
as a government body.
>> And we have. Made it We don't need to

548
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,120
make it any easier in my mind. We
already have plenty of ways for people

549
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:47,639
to vote.
Without putting an onerous workload on

550
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,120
our Board of Elections, having people
question Well, we'll question you in

551
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:54,280
this thing of who's dropping off
ballots. That just puts even more

552
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,320
suspect, which we don't need any more in
our society, of whether our elections

553
00:34:56,720 --> 00:35:00,600
are actually
um

554
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,800
honest and that they're not being
manipulated, right? We already read this

555
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:07,520
every day in the paper. I'm not saying I
buy into that stuff, but just doing one

556
00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:11,120
more step like this just adds more to
that. Um and I think it's ample ways for

557
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,640
people to vote.
>> In your experience, have you found that

558
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,640
there's been more problems over the
years that you've been in?

559
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:19,320
» Not here.
We have no problems in my town.

560
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,880
» But But there were other
drop boxes other years.

561
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,840
» Never. We've never had more than one
drop box. It's always been a drop box

562
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,120
there.
>> Okay. Um

563
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,720
so, the whole time there's been drop
boxes, it's only been one?

564
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,080
» Correct.
>> In the city.

565
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,720
» Correct.
>> And you find that that works?

566
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,440
» Yeah.
Satisfies the needs.

567
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,040
» Well, you don't know who didn't vote.
>> Yeah, we don't know who didn't vote. Cuz

568
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,360
there's a lot of people who
>> Yeah.

569
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,000
Okay.
>> Anyone else?

570
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,600
» I have one.
>> Yeah.

571
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:51,800
» Again, I'll do the questioning. My
question is, you were quoted as saying

572
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:55,840
you didn't consider a cost analysis of
the

573
00:35:53,360 --> 00:36:02,160
detention center. And I wonder why that
is, um given that DHS funding

574
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:06,600
you can't depend on it extending from
one administration to the next. And when

575
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,560
this one is gone, what's to keep them
saying

576
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:14,720
we don't have money to to meet that
need, and they don't detain people

577
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:18,240
legally or illegally. You can debate
that.

578
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:25,680
But for the benefit of the county, since
it's a a 30-year existing situation,

579
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:31,040
that's plenty of time to plan for what
could happen. And I wonder why you're so

580
00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:34,520
resistant.
>> We're not resistant and we are doing a

581
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:39,480
study. Um,
we misspoke the last time because it's

582
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:43,280
part of a larger study that we have
um put in place for the county that's

583
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:47,680
has started already.
>> And the name of that study is?

584
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:51,040
» Um, what does it stand for? It's stand.
>> What does it stand for?

585
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,320
» Strategic, um
>> Strategic management?

586
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,040
» They actually analyze They're going to
analyze every department.

587
00:36:54,720 --> 00:37:00,200
» of PA.
>> Um, in the budget in the county budget.

588
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,240
» Did you say ED funded study of overall
county

589
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:06,360
um finances?
>> And I did say ED.

590
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:09,680
» EDC is Economic Development or DC?
>> DC.

591
00:37:08,335 --> 00:37:12,520
» [clears throat]
>> Thank you.

592
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:15,280
» Anyone else?
>> Sorry. Are there time limits on these

593
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:18,920
studies?
>> Well, this is this is funded by the

594
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,560
state. This thing could take
>> It'll probably be a year, I would say.

595
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,840
» Yeah. They said it was a good
>> It's about 9 months to be

596
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,960
» I just wondered because some are open
ended.

597
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:30,920
» Scott?
>> Yes, my name is Scott Fein, Milford

598
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,920
Township.
In regards to Mr. Weathers' statements

599
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:38,840
about the correctional facility, I
retired there after 24 years as the CEO.

600
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:42,120
And for that place to be compared to a
concentration camp is both greatly

601
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:46,840
unfair
and false. And it's an affront to the

602
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:51,720
face of the people who work 24/7
to maintain

603
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:55,000
a safe and secure facility, which it is.
They receive

604
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:58,440
nutritious meals,
health care. They have access to due

605
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:01,480
process through video court with an
immigration judge. I know it. I lived

606
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,680
it.
And thank you, Mr. Weather, for pointing

607
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:08,880
that out.
>> And I'll I'll just

608
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:16,160
and respond to both comments by saying
anytime that someone is kept imprisoned

609
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:21,240
for a civil offense
in a criminal situation without any

610
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:25,760
guarantee of due process, it's the first
step that it takes.

611
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:30,400
And you can say that you have the nicest
illegal detention center in the United

612
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:35,320
States. And the fact is, it's still
illegal.

613
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:38,120
If you violate the law,
then

614
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:42,160
» I am a criminal alien. They are
illegally entering into our into our

615
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:45,880
country. That's a crime.
>> It's a civil crime. It is a civil crime.

616
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:50,280
» It's
illegal to detain under the laws. The

617
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:55,800
federal government has the laws in
regards to that. All we are is the

618
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,880
holder of federal government telling us
these people are detained under the

619
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,400
laws.
>> Then you are complicit.

620
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,000
» No, ma'am. We're just doing our
>> are complicit. And you make money by

621
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:06,240
being a
>> Yes, ma'am. Very much so. And if we

622
00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:09,440
didn't do it, some other county would do
it. So, I think

623
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:14,160
I think the commissioners have a
fiduciary duty to take the contract.

624
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:19,280
We've got $2 million a month to this
county, saving millions of dollars in

625
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:22,880
taxes for the elderly. I would flip it
around and tell

626
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:27,000
if they didn't take this contract, I
think they'd be more liable for not

627
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:30,120
doing the proper thing for this county.
>> I hear

628
00:39:27,400 --> 00:39:33,560
» Because we keep having this discussion,
I will say again,

629
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:36,960
I wish that we did not have this
agreement. I wish we never had this

630
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:41,160
agreement. But we've had it for 30
years. And because we've had it for 30

631
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:45,537
years, the residents rely upon the
reduced property taxes based on this

632
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:48,440
agreement. Whether we like it or not,
>> [clears throat]

633
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:54,520
» whether we like the situation or not,
my role here, my role here,

634
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:59,360
is to be the fiduciary for the county
and the county taxpayers. However, my

635
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:05,120
request for the study
was to make sure that we could figure

636
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:09,560
out a path out of it, right?
So,

637
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:12,960
without that knowledge,
it's just it's a wasted argument, quite

638
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:17,160
frankly. And you're welcome to continue
to have it. I'm simply saying until we

639
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,760
get the data, until we get the numbers,
and I'm sure there are other people out

640
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,680
there crunching their own numbers,
right? And that's fine.

641
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:29,360
You can't operate from just emotion. We
have to have facts. And once we have

642
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:32,520
those facts, then you can make You know
what I mean? Like an informed path

643
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:35,440
forward. But just say end the agreement
end the agreement, it's like

644
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,960
My role here
I'm not talking just to you, ma'am. I

645
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:44,520
want you to understand I'm not talking
to you. I'm speaking generally that

646
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:48,160
my role here, whether I like it or not,
is to manage the funds of the county,

647
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:52,040
right? And to make sure that we're
solvent, and to make sure that it's an

648
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:56,680
attractive and affordable place to live.
I despise what's happening.

649
00:40:55,040 --> 00:41:01,360
But
I also know that there are a lot of

650
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:05,320
people in that facility
that aren't there just for civil

651
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:07,920
reasons.
They've done some horrible things.

652
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:12,280
» That's true.
>> And so I'm just saying

653
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:15,720
» Let's all just take a breath.
>> And let these facts come forward. If

654
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:20,200
something were to happen at that
facility that goes against everything, a

655
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:24,360
whole large group of people, some of
some who sat in this room,

656
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:28,280
took a tour, right?
There were no arguments about how it

657
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,520
looked, what was going on, how the
inmates were treated. There were inmates

658
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:35,960
literally walking outside among us,
sitting outside among us. And anytime

659
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,560
someone could have inquired, "Are you
okay? Are you eating three times?" You

660
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:42,480
know what I mean? And like I'm not
trying to be facetious. There was

661
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:46,960
opportunity to have any question
answered. Warden and the assistant

662
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,120
warden spent 3 hours with [snorts] the
group.

663
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:53,200
Ma'am,
it's not directed to you. I'm I'm really

664
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:57,520
speaking to the county cuz this is
recorded, right?

665
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:02,840
All I'm saying is you cannot like what's
going on, but still have an obligation

666
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:07,920
to do a job. And right now, I don't like
that that's going on, but my duty here

667
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:12,280
are all of you.
And until we know how much increase

668
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:16,480
you're going to pay in property taxes,
should we decide to end it, a new board,

669
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:19,800
whomever, or even a new administration
comes in on the federal level and says,

670
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:23,200
"We're done with this across the board."
We just don't have it in Orange County.

671
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:27,880
We saw it happen in New York State
because of state law.

672
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:33,760
We still have an obligation to unwind
responsibly. Yanking that contract away

673
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:37,320
and just shoving, you know, 30 to 40% of
a property tax increase, I don't think

674
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:40,560
that's fair and I don't think it's wise
and I don't think it's prudent as a

675
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:45,480
county commissioner to do.
That's all I'm saying. And I have to

676
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:49,080
find that balance and I'm asking,
hopefully, that some of you out here who

677
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,560
feel strongly, you have every right to,
and in some cases you have every reason

678
00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:54,840
to.
But, we have to find the balance, that's

679
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:59,440
all.
>> All I'm asking for is what is the time

680
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:02,480
frame on finding a balance? I mean,
>> We just said we just said we just said 9

681
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,760
months to a year.
>> Okay.

682
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:08,040
» So, I think I'm just going to be You
just did the study.

683
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,880
It's a $13 million deficit in our
budget. You know, and I'm just going to

684
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,840
tell you because this Scott Brodeur
brought this up on another side. You

685
00:43:12,240 --> 00:43:15,720
went up there [clears throat] and you
toured this. This has been going on for

686
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:19,880
35 years. I'm going to say it as I've
said it in other meetings. Four years

687
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:22,320
ago, you could care less what was going
on at that jail

688
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,640
because four years ago there was a
contract with just as many detainees.

689
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:30,360
Eight years ago, there was a contract,
people were in here complaining about

690
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:34,680
it. 12 years ago, no one was in here
complaining. So, let's just connect the

691
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,360
dots to who's in the White House. Okay?
No, no, wait.

692
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:39,480
» They're not getting due process.
>> No, no, they were all getting due

693
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:44,600
process. And I know this for a fact that
I won't tell you why. That is not true.

694
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,920
That is not true. Keep This is not true
and

695
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,200
No, it's not.
And that jail and then to come here last

696
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:54,080
week and I'm just going to repeat again
and attribute this place to be Dog Pound

697
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:57,880
after you went there and visited. No,
no, I know you didn't, but group People

698
00:43:56,240 --> 00:44:00,600
that were with you did. And that's
insulting to us and you know what, Fred,

699
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:04,440
you're going to speak and then, you know
what, the meeting's over. I'm not

700
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:09,040
discussing this every meeting. There's a
study, the count the county depends on

701
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:13,280
this. We have for 35 years and you know,
in 35 years there'll still be detainment

702
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:17,240
of illegal aliens in this country and
then going to need to be held someplace.

703
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:20,240
Fred, go ahead.
>> So, [clears throat]

704
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:25,160
to that point, I I love the selective
outrage. Where was everybody in 2008 to

705
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:32,960
2016?
Of the 5.1 million people deported by

706
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:36,960
the Obama administration, 76%
did not receive due process. No

707
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:40,960
hearings, no nothing. They were shipped
out and nobody said a word. Nobody had

708
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:45,280
the little placards down there on Broad
Street and and

709
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:50,960
uh by the Dimmick stapled to a stick
saying, "Hey, no due process, fascism,

710
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:56,160
Nazis." Unbelievable. Concentration
camp. I mean, it's just unbelievable.

711
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:59,160
Here you are, 4 years, you got You hate
the guy in the White House, so now it's

712
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:04,160
a problem.
You weren't there for 5.1 million people

713
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:08,040
that were shipped out of here with no
due process.

714
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:10,440
» no idea what people did or didn't do.
Now,

715
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:15,040
» Well, you weren't here, so you know
what?

716
00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:15,040
» All I'm going to say to that is

717
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:22,600
we have to operate from information.
We have to operate from information, you

718
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:26,840
guys.
We need a The county needs a contingency

719
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:31,440
plan regardless of what sides you're
what side you are on regarding this

720
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:35,840
issue. The county should have a
contingency plan in case anybody pulls

721
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,600
the plug on it. We can't just operate
that it always be here because we can't

722
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,120
say that.
>> It's been here for 35 years.

723
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:48,000
» Correct, but 36 years can come and for
whatever

724
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:50,600
reason, it's no longer in place. The
agreement is only as good as the

725
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:55,360
signature and the date and the and the
terms. So, we have 2 years.

726
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:58,680
We know for a fact we'll have guaranteed
funds for 2 years. We can't guarantee

727
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:03,320
beyond that.
I want a contingency plan. That's it.

728
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:06,720
» And that's what I'm asking for the
camera, when and if they can do it.

729
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,160
» I'm telling you what the commissioner
just

730
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:13,080
said. Taxes are going up six mills.
There it is. I don't I

731
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:16,000
» And it's existed for 35 years. So, if
you were really interested in something

732
00:46:14,720 --> 00:46:18,080
different, you would do something
different.

733
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:20,640
» Motion to adjourn.
We're not going to get anywhere on this

734
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:24,360
We don't agree.
Thank you, everyone.

735
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,360
» Thank you.