1 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,880 And um 2 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:46,320 we don't have a lengthy agenda, 3 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:49,360 but we will need executive session. 4 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,480 And uh that's mine. Thank you. I'd like 5 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,320 to ask everyone to turn their phones on 6 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:58,399 silent or turn them off. And uh at this 7 00:09:58,399 --> 00:10:00,480 time I would like to ask Kilman if he 8 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:01,680 Kilman you would you like to do the 9 00:10:01,680 --> 00:10:04,000 invocation for us? 10 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,839 >> Come on up Hillman. We'd like to ask 11 00:10:05,839 --> 00:10:07,519 former magistrate Hilman Dots if he'd 12 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:08,800 come up here and do the invocation for 13 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:18,630 us. 14 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:21,680 Let's bow our heads please. 15 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:26,079 Our most gracious and heavenly father, 16 00:10:26,079 --> 00:10:28,399 we are in your presence tonight, Lord. 17 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:32,399 And we ask that you go with this court 18 00:10:32,399 --> 00:10:35,839 and bless them, Lord, and give them the 19 00:10:35,839 --> 00:10:38,240 knowledge that they need to make wise 20 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:40,800 decision for our county. 21 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:42,959 Lord, we just pray for this county. We 22 00:10:42,959 --> 00:10:45,920 pray for our country. 23 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:48,079 And we pray for all our employees that 24 00:10:48,079 --> 00:10:51,680 work each day, Lord, to provide us with 25 00:10:51,680 --> 00:10:53,600 safe 26 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:56,640 and good things that we need we need in 27 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,519 our county. 28 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:03,839 Father, we just thank you so much that 29 00:11:03,839 --> 00:11:07,600 you are our leader and our guide. We ask 30 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,480 you to teach us, Lord, to love one 31 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,200 another like you loved us. 32 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:17,200 Regardless, Father, of what political 33 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:19,360 side you're on, 34 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,640 we ask you to teach us to love, 35 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:26,399 not hate. As get us away from fighting 36 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:28,720 our neighbors and our families, Lord, 37 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,920 over this political world, Lord, and 38 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,920 bring us back together to where we can 39 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,440 work and benefit through you, Lord. And 40 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,760 without you, we can do anything, 41 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,839 Lord. And we just thank you for the 42 00:11:43,839 --> 00:11:46,320 opportunity you've gave us tonight to 43 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,320 come and see what we are looking at in 44 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,720 our county, Lord. And we pray that you'd 45 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,560 just be with us and bless us and look 46 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:57,279 over us. We ask all this in your name. 47 00:11:57,279 --> 00:11:57,920 Amen. 48 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:59,440 >> Amen. 49 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,040 >> Madam clerk, please call the role. 50 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:01,839 >> Judge Jones, 51 00:12:01,839 --> 00:12:02,240 >> present. 52 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:03,120 >> Commissioner Scott, 53 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:03,519 >> present. 54 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:04,480 >> Commissioner Atkins, 55 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:04,880 >> present. 56 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:05,920 >> Commissioner Lewis, 57 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:06,880 >> present. 58 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,200 >> We have Corum. We are ready to proceed. 59 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,200 Uh, I'd like to ask Greg Fan if he'd 60 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:12,079 lead us in the pledge of 61 00:12:12,079 --> 00:12:18,389 >> allegiance. 62 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:20,959 To the flag of the United States of 63 00:12:20,959 --> 00:12:25,040 America, to the republic for it stands, 64 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:28,639 one nation under God, indivisible, with 65 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:36,310 liberty and justice for all. 66 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,959 Is there a motion to approve the minutes 67 00:12:38,959 --> 00:12:41,920 of the September 18th meeting? 68 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:43,360 >> Motion. 69 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:45,040 >> A motion. Is there a second? 70 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,079 >> Second. 71 00:12:46,079 --> 00:12:48,639 >> Motion second by Commissioner Atkins. 72 00:12:48,639 --> 00:12:50,800 Madam Cler, please call the role. 73 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:51,680 >> Commissioner Scott, 74 00:12:51,680 --> 00:12:52,000 >> yes. 75 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:53,279 >> Commissioner Atkins, yes. 76 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:54,240 >> Commissioner Lewis, 77 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:54,560 >> yes. 78 00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:55,680 >> Judge Jones, 79 00:12:55,680 --> 00:12:59,200 >> yes. Uh at this time, the next item is 80 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,880 the adoption of resolution approving the 81 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,560 execution of the rural secondary program 82 00:13:02,560 --> 00:13:04,560 agreement between the fiscal court and 83 00:13:04,560 --> 00:13:06,560 the transportation cabinet department of 84 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:08,560 rural municipal aid accepting all roads 85 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:09,839 and streets referred to there and as 86 00:13:09,839 --> 00:13:12,480 being part of the county road system. 87 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,240 Um, 88 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,399 I'm not sure that last part is needed, 89 00:13:16,399 --> 00:13:19,839 but anyway, Vince, would you and Lindsay 90 00:13:19,839 --> 00:13:23,839 like to come up and uh address the court 91 00:13:23,839 --> 00:13:30,550 and u 92 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:32,240 if you would just introduce yourself so 93 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,000 that way the public that's watching will 94 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,480 know who u 95 00:13:36,480 --> 00:13:40,800 who's here and what you're doing. 96 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:41,040 I 97 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,040 >> guess it's on. 98 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:45,360 I'm Vince Hayes. I'm the pipewell 99 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,560 section engineer for KYTC District 12 100 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:51,279 here in Pike County. We Lindsay Lockhart 101 00:13:51,279 --> 00:13:53,279 and I oversee construction and 102 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:54,639 maintenance of our road our state 103 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:56,399 roadways 104 00:13:56,399 --> 00:13:59,760 uh here in Pike County. Um and I'll let 105 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:01,519 Lindsay introduce herself and kind of go 106 00:14:01,519 --> 00:14:04,639 into the program and why we had a sort 107 00:14:04,639 --> 00:14:06,160 of a delay. This usually comes out in 108 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:07,040 spring, but 109 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:08,480 >> yeah, this is the money that we usually 110 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:10,800 get around April or May, but our budget 111 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:13,040 hasn't been what we've anticipated this 112 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:16,399 year. So, the anticipated aotment for 113 00:14:16,399 --> 00:14:23,600 the 2026 2027 year is one uh 1,963,800 114 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:25,440 and that's split up between maintenance 115 00:14:25,440 --> 00:14:27,519 of traffic for state roads. We're going 116 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:30,320 to be getting $894,000 117 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,959 of flex funds which the county gets is 118 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:35,199 $322,000 119 00:14:35,199 --> 00:14:36,560 and the balance for the remaining 120 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:42,389 projects for the state is 747,499. 121 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:44,320 With that, we're going to be paving KY 122 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:48,480 611 uh poor bottom road from 195 to 23. 123 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,160 We're going to be paving left fork of 124 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,279 Long for Road from 1469 to Left Fork of 125 00:14:53,279 --> 00:14:57,680 Long for County Road and KY 3415 Little 126 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,320 Robinson Creek from 122 to Newsome 127 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,399 Branch Road. 128 00:15:02,399 --> 00:15:05,600 >> All right. So, um just to just to uh 129 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:08,959 just to touch on this, 130 00:15:08,959 --> 00:15:11,120 the legislature has not been kind to the 131 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,600 transportation cabinet. 132 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:15,680 And I see Lindsay shaking her head on 133 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,320 that. You know, when you elect people to 134 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:22,000 go to Frankfurt, and I learned this, a 135 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:23,760 lot of the decisions that you make have 136 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:26,639 a direct impact impact on counties and 137 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:28,399 municipalities. 138 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:31,279 And just so the public knows, we get we 139 00:15:31,279 --> 00:15:33,680 were getting close to about almost three 140 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,399 million a year from the state that went 141 00:15:36,399 --> 00:15:40,079 directly to our county road department. 142 00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:44,160 And that money really doesn't probably 143 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,639 doesn't even cover salaries. 144 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:48,800 Uh and then the rest of it is is 145 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,759 subsidized by the fiscal court. And when 146 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:54,000 you have somewhere Vince, you may know 147 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,160 this number. Uh county roads probably a 148 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,759 thousand miles of county roads 149 00:15:57,759 --> 00:15:58,399 >> at least. 150 00:15:58,399 --> 00:15:59,759 Is that where you agree with 151 00:15:59,759 --> 00:16:00,079 that? 152 00:16:00,079 --> 00:16:00,800 >> Yeah. 153 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,040 >> And you know, we're still trying there's 154 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:04,720 still issues come up about where the 155 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:07,759 roads were taken in in the 1980s or 90s 156 00:16:07,759 --> 00:16:10,320 that there may not even be records on, 157 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:11,839 but that the county's maintained these 158 00:16:11,839 --> 00:16:16,160 roads for years. and the public uh you 159 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,639 know we get calls all the time about you 160 00:16:18,639 --> 00:16:20,399 know a state road people don't realize 161 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:21,759 that the county doesn't have 162 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:23,120 jurisdiction over state or federal 163 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,440 highways and likewise the state doesn't 164 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,160 have jurisdiction over county roads but 165 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,160 the gas tax that we all pay and I call 166 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,680 it the birthday tax because I'm getting 167 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,839 ready to pay it uh when we license our 168 00:16:33,839 --> 00:16:38,320 cars the uh the motor vehicle usage tax 169 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,040 that funds our highway construction 170 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:45,600 program and Um, this year our county 171 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:50,240 road aid went from 2.9 million to 2.4 172 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,720 million. We lost about I can't remember 173 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:54,160 the exact amount. I was about half a 174 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,000 million dollars. 175 00:16:56,000 --> 00:17:01,040 And um then looking at the flex funds, 176 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,160 uh, they're down almost not quite 100, 177 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:06,400 probably 170,000 or so. We were getting 178 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,319 about 4, was it 450, 495 a year? 179 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:13,280 >> Seems right. And uh now that's down to 180 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:18,240 322,000. And to put that in perspective, 181 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,120 322,000 would do what? Maybe five miles 182 00:17:21,120 --> 00:17:23,760 of road black top Fabian. Four four to 183 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:24,640 five miles. 184 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:25,520 >> Yeah. 185 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,240 >> So uh when you have a,000 miles of 186 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,120 county roads and before I came in and 187 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:33,600 what we've been able to budget, 188 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:36,960 we've paved somewhere we say around 400 189 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:38,640 miles since I've been judge. We were 190 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:41,600 probably doing about maybe 10 to 15 191 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,160 miles a year before that. 192 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,200 Uh these roads don't take long to get in 193 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,919 bad shape. And I give you example. Uh we 194 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:53,600 pave pounding mill four years ago maybe. 195 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:54,480 >> Sounds right. 196 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,480 >> And spent over $400,000 paving it. And 197 00:17:58,480 --> 00:17:59,840 now we got people complaining about 198 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,240 potholes. problem is, as Fabian 199 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,799 explained it to me, when you put salt on 200 00:18:04,799 --> 00:18:07,679 these roads, it goes, you probably 201 00:18:07,679 --> 00:18:09,200 explained this better than I can, the 202 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:10,799 salt actually permeates through the 203 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:13,520 black top, goes down to the to the base, 204 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:14,720 >> and makes weak spots. 205 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:15,679 >> Y 206 00:18:15,679 --> 00:18:17,760 >> So, you have no choice but to put salt 207 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:21,919 on them. Uh but when you spend $400,000 208 00:18:21,919 --> 00:18:24,080 on a road and then turn around five 209 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,919 years later, 210 00:18:25,919 --> 00:18:27,919 um and we have to put a lot of salt on 211 00:18:27,919 --> 00:18:31,120 pounding mill because it's so steep. 212 00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:33,360 Um 213 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:35,360 there's going to have to be some type of 214 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:38,640 system change going forward. I won't be 215 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,160 here. But when the new court comes in 216 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:45,200 here and they see how little money that 217 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,000 you really have to do this job, maybe 218 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,280 it'll open some eyes. And you know, 219 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,919 we're sending people to Frankfurt who 220 00:18:53,919 --> 00:18:55,840 don't realize it, but the decisions that 221 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:57,280 they make when they cut public 222 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,840 transportation funding, it affects all 223 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,760 of us. It affects school buses that have 224 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,960 to be on the roads calling our kids. Uh 225 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,320 people who have to get up early and go 226 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,400 to work and even it impacts our road our 227 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:11,200 road crews as you all know 228 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,440 the people who go out on the on the 229 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,240 plows and the salt trucks. They put 230 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:17,440 their lives on the line because they're 231 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,320 the first ones out and uh it's a 232 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:23,840 dangerous job. But um I want to just say 233 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,120 I probably won't have an opportunity to 234 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:26,720 say this if you would just convey to 235 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:30,160 Mary and the rest of the staff at the uh 236 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,280 at district at the district office. Um 237 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:36,880 it's been a pleasure working with you. 238 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,400 We appreciate everything that you all 239 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,520 done um and that the district office has 240 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,960 done. Um the Basher administration's 241 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:46,720 been great to Pike County. A lot of 242 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,480 people don't realize how much work that 243 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,919 they've helped us get done. And uh I 244 00:19:51,919 --> 00:19:53,120 don't care if you're Republican or 245 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:55,440 Democrat, we all drive on the same roads 246 00:19:55,440 --> 00:20:00,080 and the Basher administration has really stepped up to help Pike County. A 247 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,240 lot of people out there don't know that. 248 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:05,200 Um but we've also had great people who 249 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,760 live here in the community that work at 250 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,280 the transportation cabinet and uh I just 251 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:12,960 personally want to thank all of you if 252 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,799 you would just pass that message on to 253 00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:16,640 everybody. 254 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,200 Um, 255 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,960 with that being said, just to make 256 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,600 clear, part of the money, the number you 257 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,840 just talked about 258 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:27,440 will be used for rural and secondary 259 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,000 roads. Those are state highways. 260 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,840 >> And the part that actually comes back to 261 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,520 the county roads are the 322,000 262 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:36,720 in flex funds. 263 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:37,440 >> That's correct. 264 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:42,310 >> Okay. So, um, 265 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,880 we have the, uh, Is there anything else 266 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:49,200 you all like to add to that or anything? 267 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,120 >> So, we have the agreement that we have 268 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:55,440 to execute and it would be my motion to 269 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,600 adopt the resolution approving the 270 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,159 execution of the rule and secondary rule 271 00:21:00,159 --> 00:21:01,919 secondary program agreement between the 272 00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:04,080 fiscal court and the transportation 273 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,440 cabinet. Is there a second? 274 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:06,640 >> Second. 275 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:08,640 We have a second by Commissioner Atkins. 276 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,600 Any questions or discussions? 277 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:13,200 Seeing none, Madam Cler, please call the 278 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:13,600 role. 279 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:14,799 >> Commissioner Scott, yes. 280 00:21:14,799 --> 00:21:16,000 >> Commissioner Atkins, yes. 281 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:16,960 >> Commissioner Lewis, 282 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:17,280 >> yes. 283 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,039 >> Judge D. 284 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:20,640 >> Thank you all very much. Thank you guys. 285 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,440 >> Thank you. 286 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,480 >> Next item is authorization to execute 287 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,480 the transportation cabinet division of 288 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,159 maintenance agreement to be performed in 289 00:21:30,159 --> 00:21:31,760 conjunction with governmental agencies. 290 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,480 This is the agreement that allows us to 291 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,240 purchase up to 750 tons of salt 292 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:43,440 at 12938 per ton with a $142 per ton 293 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,159 handling fee and a onetime 294 00:21:46,159 --> 00:21:48,720 administrative fee of $97.15 295 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:52,159 on emergency basis in the event that we 296 00:21:52,159 --> 00:21:54,880 run short of salt and can't get it, 297 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,679 which was an issue that uh that the 298 00:21:57,679 --> 00:21:59,679 entire eastern United States had to deal 299 00:21:59,679 --> 00:22:02,320 with last winter. The price last year 300 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,640 was $11843 301 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,080 per ton. So, um, this just gives us a 302 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,000 source of salt if they have it available 303 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,880 and we can't get it. So, is there a 304 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,200 motion to authorize execution of the 305 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:16,640 agreement as stated? 306 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:18,159 >> I'll make a motion. 307 00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:19,919 >> Motion by Commissioner Lewis. Is there a 308 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:20,880 second? 309 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:21,440 >> Second. 310 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,039 by Commissioner Scott. Any 311 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:25,360 question or discussion? See none. Madam 312 00:22:25,360 --> 00:22:26,559 Cler, please call the role. 313 00:22:26,559 --> 00:22:27,760 >> Commissioner Scott, yes. 314 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,039 >> Commissioner Atkins, yes. 315 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:29,919 >> Commissioner Lewis, 316 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:31,440 >> yes. Judge Jones. 317 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:50,789 >> Yes. 318 00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:53,200 Huh? 319 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,960 We don't have the contract yet. Okay. 320 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,880 Yeah, we don't have the contract yet. 321 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,200 So, at some point, uh, hopefully we'll 322 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:03,510 get that here in the next few days. 323 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,120 Next item is the approval of 324 00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:06,880 appointments to the Cooperative 325 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,760 Extension District. It would be uh my 326 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,400 motion to appoint Eddie Coleman and Joy 327 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,559 Collins to three-year terms that will 328 00:23:14,559 --> 00:23:17,840 begin January 1st, 2027. Is there a 329 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:18,320 second? 330 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:19,440 >> Second. 331 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,880 by Commissioner Lewis. Any 332 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,159 question or discussion? Seeing none, 333 00:23:22,159 --> 00:23:23,520 madam clerk, please call the role. 334 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,400 >> Commissioner Scott, 335 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:24,720 >> yes. 336 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:25,919 >> Commissioner Atkins, 337 00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:27,280 >> yes. Commissioner Lewis. 338 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:27,520 >> Yes. 339 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,720 >> Judge Jones. 340 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:32,559 >> Yes. Next item is 341 00:23:32,559 --> 00:23:34,240 approval for recreational license 342 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,720 agreement with Rightway Land Company, a 343 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:40,080 Rightway Land LLC for the uh trail 344 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,400 system. Royy's prepared at the 345 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,240 agreements for Flatwoods. This is they 346 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:45,919 own some property up there near the 347 00:23:45,919 --> 00:23:49,280 current trail. It would be my motion to 348 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,919 um uh approve the recreational license 349 00:23:51,919 --> 00:23:54,240 agreement. 350 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,159 >> I'll second. We have a motion. We have a 351 00:23:56,159 --> 00:23:57,600 second. Any question or discussion? 352 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,039 Seeing none, madam cler, please call the 353 00:23:59,039 --> 00:23:59,440 role. 354 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:00,400 >> Commissioner Scott, 355 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:00,720 >> yes. 356 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:01,679 >> Commissioner Atkins, 357 00:24:01,679 --> 00:24:02,000 >> yes. 358 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:02,880 >> Commissioner Lewis, 359 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:03,200 >> yes. 360 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,000 >> Judge Jones, 361 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:09,990 >> yes. 362 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,400 » All right, Greg, you've got one item. I 363 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:20,789 think that's for public works for Paul. 364 00:24:20,799 --> 00:24:23,039 We had a uh bid opening on September 365 00:24:23,039 --> 00:24:27,279 18th on bid number 36-20 366 00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:31,679 2641 2026 or newer crew cab truck. This 367 00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:34,320 is for public works. We had one bid is 368 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,880 from Walter Chevrolet. Bid price of 369 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,200 $45,100. 370 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:40,720 truck meets all the specs that were put 371 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,240 in the bid package and it's my 372 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:43,679 recommendation that we award the bid to 373 00:24:43,679 --> 00:24:45,520 Walter Chevrolet for a bid amount of 374 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,760 $45,100 375 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,000 and authorizes uh the treasur to issue a 376 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:51,520 check for the same amount. 377 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,760 >> Is there a motion as stated by Mr. 378 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:55,200 Fannon to purchase this? 379 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:57,360 >> This is on the this is on our capital 380 00:24:57,360 --> 00:25:00,080 plan. 381 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,880 >> This is under bid number 36-2026. Is 382 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:08,149 there a motion? 383 00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:09,840 This will be for the public works 384 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:10,400 department. 385 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:10,880 >> Yes, sir. 386 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,320 >> And bought in Pike County. 387 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:17,190 >> Yes. From Walter Chevrolet. 388 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,640 » I'll make a motion. 389 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,320 >> I'll make a second. Madam Cler, please 390 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,039 call the role. 391 00:25:21,039 --> 00:25:22,000 >> Commissioner Scott, 392 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:22,400 >> yes. 393 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:23,760 >> Commissioner Atkins, 394 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:24,240 >> yes. 395 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:25,279 >> Commissioner Lewis, 396 00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:25,679 >> yes. 397 00:25:25,679 --> 00:25:26,480 >> Judge Jones, 398 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,559 >> it's good we bought it in town. 399 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:32,960 >> That's all I have, Judge. Yeah. 400 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:40,149 >> Yeah. 401 00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:42,880 All right, 402 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,080 Fabian, you got anything you just want 403 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:44,960 me just 404 00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,480 >> All right. Is there a motion to approve 405 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,400 the completed and scheduled work orders? 406 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,279 >> Motion. 407 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:52,880 >> Got a motion. Is there a second? We have 408 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:54,240 a motion second. Madam clerk, please 409 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:54,880 call the role. 410 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:55,760 >> Commissioner Scott, 411 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:56,080 >> yes. 412 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:56,960 >> Commissioner Atkins, 413 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:57,279 >> yes. 414 00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:58,320 >> Commissioner Lewis, 415 00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:58,640 >> yes. 416 00:25:58,640 --> 00:25:59,520 >> Judge Jones, 417 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,880 >> yes. Next item is uh treasur's business. 418 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:04,159 Sharon, would you just read all these in 419 00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:06,000 one motion so we can get out of here? 420 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,840 >> Yes, of course. Uh, acknowledge 421 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,159 sheriff's official receipt for the 2026 422 00:26:10,159 --> 00:26:12,320 property tax bills. Authorized payment 423 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,720 to poll workers for the 2026 November 424 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:16,720 general election. Authorize a new 425 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,559 postage machine contract with Pittney 426 00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:21,120 Bose. Authorized payment to KO insurance 427 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:25,360 agency for $7,14127 428 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:27,919 for the treasures bond. Authorize the 429 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:30,080 following interfer 430 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,200 2026. Transfer $500,000 from the general 431 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,600 fund to solid waste. Authorize a check 432 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,360 from the consolidated bank account to 433 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,200 the solid waste bank account in the 434 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,600 amount of 500,000. Authorize checks for 435 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,440 lodging, registration, and expenses for 436 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,039 anyone who needs to attend the KO 437 00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:47,039 conference at the central bank center in 438 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:49,039 Lexington on November 17th through the 439 00:26:49,039 --> 00:26:51,760 20th, 2026. 440 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,120 >> Is there a motion to authorize the 441 00:26:53,120 --> 00:26:54,880 treasures business as stated? 442 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,000 >> Motion. 443 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,679 >> A motion. Is there a second? 444 00:26:57,679 --> 00:26:58,320 >> Second. 445 00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,679 by Commissioner Lewis. Madam 446 00:26:59,679 --> 00:27:00,720 clerk, please call the role. 447 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,520 Commissioner Scott, 448 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:01,840 >> yes. 449 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,720 >> Commissioner Atkins, 450 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,039 >> yes. 451 00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:03,919 >> Commissioner Lewis, 452 00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:04,240 >> yes. 453 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:05,279 >> Judge Jones, 454 00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:10,080 >> yes. Um, next item is um we do have a 455 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:11,760 quick need for executive session for 456 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,039 personnel matters. Uh, Mr. Danny, would 457 00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:16,400 you please instruct the public on the 458 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,000 relevant provisions of Kentucky open 459 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,919 meeting law as it pertains to the entry 460 00:27:19,919 --> 00:27:25,430 into executive session? 461 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,440 Judge, uh, the court is allowed to go in 462 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:32,789 executive session under KRS61.810 463 00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:35,039 under paragraph C to discuss proposed 464 00:27:35,039 --> 00:27:37,200 pending litigation and paragraph F to 465 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,760 discuss specific personnel matters. 466 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:40,880 >> All right. Is there a motion to enter 467 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,480 into executive session? 468 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:43,760 >> Motion. 469 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,440 >> We have a motion. Is there a second? 470 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:45,919 >> Second. 471 00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:47,360 >> We have a motion second. Mer, please 472 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:48,000 call the role. 473 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:48,880 >> Commissioner Scott? 474 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:49,200 >> Yes. 475 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:50,159 >> Commissioner Atkins? 476 00:27:50,159 --> 00:27:50,480 >> Yes. 477 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,360 >> Commissioner Lewis? 478 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:51,760 >> Yes. 479 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:52,640 >> Judge Jones? 480 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,840 >> Yes. will be uh in recess and return to 481 00:27:55,840 --> 01:35:31,189 call the chair. 482 01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:32,719 I'll make a motion to adjourn from 483 01:35:32,719 --> 01:35:36,320 executive session. Is there a second? 484 01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:36,800 >> Second. 485 01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:38,239 >> We have a motion second. Madam clerk, 486 01:35:38,239 --> 01:35:39,440 please call the role. 487 01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:40,480 >> Commissioner Scott, 488 01:35:40,480 --> 01:35:40,800 >> yes. 489 01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:41,840 >> Commissioner Atkins, 490 01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:42,239 >> yes. 491 01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:45,440 >> Commissioner Lewis, 492 01:35:45,440 --> 01:35:46,480 >> Judge Jones, 493 01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:49,600 >> yes. Uh, at this time, it's my motion to 494 01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,440 acknowledge the resignation of Chuck 495 01:35:51,440 --> 01:35:54,159 Moley as solid waste coordinator. He'll 496 01:35:54,159 --> 01:35:56,239 remain as solid waste manager at the 497 01:35:56,239 --> 01:36:00,000 same um I'm sorry 498 01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:02,080 acknowledge Chuck Mley resigned as solid 499 01:36:02,080 --> 01:36:04,159 waste coordinator remain solid waste 500 01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:07,440 manager at the same 5A rate of pay 501 01:36:07,440 --> 01:36:10,950 effective 91826 502 01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:13,280 um approval to acknowledge and to 503 01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:16,800 correct David West not Daniel West uh at 504 01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:18,719 the maintenance garage a 2H rate of pay 505 01:36:18,719 --> 01:36:21,520 effective 92726 506 01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:24,239 to acknowledge retirement of CJ Childers 507 01:36:24,239 --> 01:36:26,719 effective 93026. 508 01:36:26,719 --> 01:36:28,960 CJ's given over 30 years of his life to 509 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,960 the uh service to the county uh fire, 510 01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,600 you know, with the fire service um 511 01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,480 emergency management and 911. And we're 512 01:36:38,480 --> 01:36:41,360 going to miss CJ. Um approval to 513 01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:44,159 acknowledge moving Nathaniel Atkins uh 514 01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:47,440 from loader to CDL driver to 4 rate of 515 01:36:47,440 --> 01:36:50,639 pay effective 92826. 516 01:36:50,639 --> 01:36:52,480 to acknowledge hiring Brian Bunch as a 517 01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:54,400 loader at 28 rate of pay effective 518 01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,480 92526. 519 01:36:56,480 --> 01:36:58,719 Toa acknowledge the resignation of Aiden 520 01:36:58,719 --> 01:37:01,119 Arnett effective 93026 521 01:37:01,119 --> 01:37:02,800 and to acknowledge hiring Jeremiah 522 01:37:02,800 --> 01:37:06,320 Wallace solid waste loader 523 01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:09,199 at a 28 rate of pay effective 93026 is 524 01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:11,440 her second. 525 01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:13,440 >> Second by Commissioner Scott. Any 526 01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:14,880 question or discussion? See Madam Cler, 527 01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:15,600 please call the RO. 528 01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:16,400 >> Commissioner Scott, 529 01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:16,719 >> yes. 530 01:37:16,719 --> 01:37:18,000 >> Commissioner Atkins, 531 01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:18,480 >> yes. 532 01:37:18,480 --> 01:37:19,360 >> Commissioner Lewis, 533 01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:20,400 >> yes. Judge Towns. 534 01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:22,159 >> Yes. All right. Public comment. We have 535 01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:24,560 Earl Thcker signed up. Earl, uh, is he 536 01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:26,320 here? You have the three minutes under 537 01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:43,270 the administrative code. 538 01:37:43,280 --> 01:37:45,360 Okay. Thank you, Court, for uh, letting 539 01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:47,520 me uh, do a little bit of speaking. and 540 01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:50,800 I'm a independent candidate for uh 541 01:37:50,800 --> 01:37:53,119 magistrate over in district five. 542 01:37:53,119 --> 01:37:54,800 >> Earl, I would I would just like to point 543 01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,280 out that Pike TV, we can't have 544 01:37:57,280 --> 01:37:58,639 political speeches, I don't think, 545 01:37:58,639 --> 01:38:01,360 without making it under the FCC 546 01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:03,119 uh without making every We're getting a 547 01:38:03,119 --> 01:38:04,560 thumbs up back here. You can't make a 548 01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:05,920 political speech here. That's not the 549 01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:09,119 purpose of this. Uh you can only address 550 01:38:09,119 --> 01:38:12,400 an issue that's uh before the court. Uh 551 01:38:12,400 --> 01:38:14,800 it would be an FCC violation. We'd have 552 01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:17,040 to make it available to every candidate. 553 01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:19,119 So, you can't you can't give a political 554 01:38:19,119 --> 01:38:21,600 speech. If you want to address an issue, 555 01:38:21,600 --> 01:38:23,440 uh you may you may do that, but you've 556 01:38:23,440 --> 01:38:24,480 got three minutes. 557 01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:26,639 >> Okay. Then, I wasn't going to make a 558 01:38:26,639 --> 01:38:29,119 political speech. The only thing I was 559 01:38:29,119 --> 01:38:32,000 doing was introducing myself. And I do 560 01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:34,239 have uh you know, being out there, you 561 01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:36,719 know, I've seen road conditions that 562 01:38:36,719 --> 01:38:38,320 throughout the county and especially in 563 01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:40,560 that district five. But I've seen some 564 01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:44,400 good work done out there and uh it's 565 01:38:44,400 --> 01:38:47,360 come over in uh Big Card Creek. I think 566 01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,199 FEMA 567 01:38:49,199 --> 01:38:51,199 uh did that one. Maybe Bezac did the 568 01:38:51,199 --> 01:38:54,159 paving. And another one was up in Fed's 569 01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:56,880 Creek from uh 570 01:38:56,880 --> 01:39:01,040 from Dick's Fork up uh up the road going 571 01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:05,119 toward uh Papa. And that was good paving 572 01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:06,880 too by the county. They did a fine job 573 01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:10,880 paving. But what I didn't understand was 574 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:15,280 why we went from beyond the uh road that 575 01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,320 pulled off the three houses onto the top 576 01:39:18,320 --> 01:39:20,239 of the mountain going down into papa 577 01:39:20,239 --> 01:39:21,600 when the only thing can get through 578 01:39:21,600 --> 01:39:23,920 there is a side by side or a 579 01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,239 four-wheeler. We could have better use 580 01:39:26,239 --> 01:39:29,280 that asphalt. I think paving mley which 581 01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:32,480 people told me has not been paved in 20 582 01:39:32,480 --> 01:39:35,520 to 30 years and it's full of potholes 583 01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:38,159 and I'm sure that Jones Fork got paved 584 01:39:38,159 --> 01:39:42,480 and got their potholes place replaced 585 01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:44,560 with asphalt. I'm sure you know the 586 01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:49,520 people there appreciated that. And uh 587 01:39:49,520 --> 01:39:51,440 I've mentioned Mley Fork and the only 588 01:39:51,440 --> 01:39:55,600 other thing that I'd like to see done 589 01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,440 with the other court that's coming up, 590 01:39:57,440 --> 01:39:59,600 I'd like to see one of these two regular 591 01:39:59,600 --> 01:40:03,040 meetings be held out into the districts 592 01:40:03,040 --> 01:40:05,520 where people that live out there, they'd 593 01:40:05,520 --> 01:40:08,159 have the opportunity to come and uh 594 01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:10,080 present their concerns or give their 595 01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:13,760 remarks to the county government coming 596 01:40:13,760 --> 01:40:16,320 to their their back doors. And we have 597 01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:18,320 plenty of buildings out there that uh 598 01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:21,040 would accommodate the meetings. And you 599 01:40:21,040 --> 01:40:22,320 a lot of these people, you know, the 600 01:40:22,320 --> 01:40:23,840 work, they can't get to these meetings 601 01:40:23,840 --> 01:40:27,520 like this. So, I don't see no problem in 602 01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,400 having one of the uh two meetings, 603 01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:33,199 regular meetings held out there each 604 01:40:33,199 --> 01:40:35,520 month. Of course, you know, we'd have to 605 01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,000 approve it by the new judge executive 606 01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:41,760 and the other uh the other magistrates 607 01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:44,239 that are serving on the new court. But 608 01:40:44,239 --> 01:40:46,239 that's all I had to say. I did not 609 01:40:46,239 --> 01:40:48,639 intend to make no public speeches. I do 610 01:40:48,639 --> 01:40:52,560 that other ways. 611 01:40:52,560 --> 01:41:18,870 All right. Next, we have Hman Dodson. 612 01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:20,480 Judge, I'd like to thank you and the 613 01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:23,520 court for giving me the OB opportunity 614 01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:29,199 to speak on behalf of the uh people in 615 01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:32,080 our community at Phelps. We have an 616 01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:34,320 ambulance service over there which 617 01:41:34,320 --> 01:41:37,840 you're very well aware of that you and 618 01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:40,560 the court had put a trailer in there a 619 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,840 few years ago to provide the needs for 620 01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,679 the people 621 01:41:45,679 --> 01:41:49,040 to have ambulance service 622 01:41:49,040 --> 01:41:51,679 and you know it's an empty trailer 623 01:41:51,679 --> 01:41:54,880 there's hardly anybody there and we have 624 01:41:54,880 --> 01:41:57,679 so many elderly and sick people in the 625 01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:00,880 Philips and surrounding areas that need 626 01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:03,119 the amnless service so bad and I didn't 627 01:42:03,119 --> 01:42:06,480 know what kind of agreement that you and 628 01:42:06,480 --> 01:42:09,520 the court had with the amnless service 629 01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:11,520 over there. So that's the reason I'm 630 01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:15,520 here. I've got a petition here signed 631 01:42:15,520 --> 01:42:17,920 about 15 pages of it and I'd like to 632 01:42:17,920 --> 01:42:20,639 present it to the court and I'm planning 633 01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:24,800 on taking a copy of it to the uh senator 634 01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:27,440 and where else we can go. But I don't 635 01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:30,000 know if y'all could do anything to help 636 01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:33,199 us or not, but you know, I I leave that 637 01:42:33,199 --> 01:42:35,520 up to you and the court to decide what 638 01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:38,000 we need to do next. I know you were all 639 01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:40,480 in favor of putting the trailer in there 640 01:42:40,480 --> 01:42:43,119 and and providing the services. And 641 01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:45,520 Freddy, you know, you were behind that 642 01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,040 100%. 643 01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:49,199 >> Oh, absolutely. You know, Hillman, we 644 01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:52,880 had uh if I may, you know, my dad, if it 645 01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:54,320 hadn't been for Sid Lester and him 646 01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,480 having an ambulance service in Phelps at 647 01:42:56,480 --> 01:42:58,080 the time, my dad had a heart attack in 648 01:42:58,080 --> 01:43:00,159 August of 2013, he wouldn't have lived 649 01:43:00,159 --> 01:43:03,840 to get to P. Well, Sid Lester uh saved 650 01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:07,760 his life. And now we have a huge problem 651 01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,360 not just in not just in Phelps but it's 652 01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:13,360 it it's every part of the county because 653 01:43:13,360 --> 01:43:16,880 if you look at the 911 data uh there's 654 01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:20,000 times when there's simply not a unit 655 01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:21,600 available 656 01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:24,480 and some people want to say well it's 657 01:43:24,480 --> 01:43:26,239 got to do with a certificate of need it 658 01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:27,840 really 659 01:43:27,840 --> 01:43:30,320 there's it's a multiaceted problem 660 01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,880 nationally there is a shortage of EMTs 661 01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:34,639 and paramedics 662 01:43:34,639 --> 01:43:38,639 And my opinion is when the state moved 663 01:43:38,639 --> 01:43:42,960 uh paramedic training to uh be 664 01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:44,639 affiliated now it has to be under a 665 01:43:44,639 --> 01:43:47,520 community college or in in a college 666 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:49,920 system and it's just driven the cost up. 667 01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,800 Used to be a local hospital or fire 668 01:43:52,800 --> 01:43:54,480 department could put a paramedic class 669 01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:56,960 on. They can't do that now. And the cost 670 01:43:56,960 --> 01:43:59,280 to get and time to get a paramedic 671 01:43:59,280 --> 01:44:01,760 certificate, for instance, is about the 672 01:44:01,760 --> 01:44:03,679 same as it is to get an RN degree, 673 01:44:03,679 --> 01:44:07,040 two-year RN. And 674 01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,719 now you're seeing hospitals hire 675 01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:12,080 paramedics and even EMTs. There's just a 676 01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:13,920 huge shortage. They can't staff the 677 01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:16,639 ambulances. The deal we had, 678 01:44:16,639 --> 01:44:18,960 we looked at all the data. I think N 679 01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,199 back there somewhere. We looked at all 680 01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:23,920 the response times to get a unit because 681 01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:28,239 Lifeguard has got um the uh certificate 682 01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:30,880 of need for Phelps. 683 01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:33,600 And there was a group of high school 684 01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,040 students that did a really good job 685 01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,159 putting a a project together, but their 686 01:44:38,159 --> 01:44:39,920 data was not accurate in terms of how 687 01:44:39,920 --> 01:44:41,840 many calls actually come out of that 688 01:44:41,840 --> 01:44:46,310 area. And 689 01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,080 essentially 690 01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:50,000 uh 691 01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,480 there's the the ambulance services are 692 01:44:52,480 --> 01:44:56,560 so short staffed they can't staff and 693 01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:58,880 the state needs to find a way to address 694 01:44:58,880 --> 01:45:01,199 that. Then you take the fact that all 695 01:45:01,199 --> 01:45:03,119 the Medicaid cuts, particularly the 696 01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:04,560 Medicaid cuts that are going to take 697 01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:08,159 place in the next year, year and a half 698 01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:11,119 that come in with the nearly 699 01:45:11,119 --> 01:45:14,400 $900 billion cut in Medicaid. Kucky's 700 01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:15,440 going to lose, according to Governor 701 01:45:15,440 --> 01:45:17,760 Basher, about 2.1 billion a year in 702 01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:19,679 federal Medicaid funds. That's going to 703 01:45:19,679 --> 01:45:22,159 hit your ambulance services. 704 01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:24,960 Um, if you live out in the county like I 705 01:45:24,960 --> 01:45:26,560 do, like you do, it's a matter of life 706 01:45:26,560 --> 01:45:28,159 or death because you know if you can't 707 01:45:28,159 --> 01:45:30,239 get an ambulance, 708 01:45:30,239 --> 01:45:32,400 um, and I mean there's a lot of 709 01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,239 accidents, traumatic injuries, 710 01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:37,360 illnesses, seizures, heart attacks. 711 01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:40,400 Um, but the deal we made was in order to 712 01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:42,159 try to cut the response time because if 713 01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:44,960 they're dispatching a unit from Island 714 01:45:44,960 --> 01:45:46,400 Creek to get to Phelps, 715 01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:46,800 >> right, 716 01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:48,880 >> by the time they get the call or 717 01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:53,280 particularly if it's at at, you know, over toward Woodman or 718 01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:54,719 Majestic, 719 01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:56,880 >> you're talking 40 45 minutes to get an 720 01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:58,880 ambulance to somebody. And when the data 721 01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:00,560 we looked at, and I think Neil backed me 722 01:46:00,560 --> 01:46:04,639 up, it was about an hour, the response 723 01:46:04,639 --> 01:46:07,280 time by the time a call came into 911 to 724 01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:09,119 get an ambulance on the scene is an 725 01:46:09,119 --> 01:46:12,159 hour. So talking about the golden hour, 726 01:46:12,159 --> 01:46:14,080 you know, the first hour to get help to 727 01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,560 somebody, your your golden hour is gone 728 01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,480 before you get an ambulance to somebody 729 01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:22,239 in the Peter Creek area. And um I don't 730 01:46:22,239 --> 01:46:24,560 have a solution to it. And I don't think 731 01:46:24,560 --> 01:46:26,880 there's been problems in every county in 732 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:30,239 Eastern Kentucky with this. The county 733 01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:31,840 theoretically 734 01:46:31,840 --> 01:46:34,400 could put in an emergency ambulance 735 01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,360 service without 736 01:46:37,360 --> 01:46:39,840 a co, but you could only do emergency 737 01:46:39,840 --> 01:46:43,040 calls. And the problem is you're talking 738 01:46:43,040 --> 01:46:44,719 millions of dollars a year that the 739 01:46:44,719 --> 01:46:47,520 county doesn't have. And when you look 740 01:46:47,520 --> 01:46:49,119 at the number of emergency calls in the 741 01:46:49,119 --> 01:46:52,159 Phelps area, N, do you remember how many 742 01:46:52,159 --> 01:46:54,480 calls it was? It It's not as many 743 01:46:54,480 --> 01:46:57,440 emergency calls as you would think, but 744 01:46:57,440 --> 01:47:00,159 if you're the one that needs it, it 745 01:47:00,159 --> 01:47:01,360 don't matter if there's a hundred or 746 01:47:01,360 --> 01:47:02,480 there's a thousand of them. If you're 747 01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:03,679 the one that needs an ambulance or if 748 01:47:03,679 --> 01:47:06,400 it's somebody in your family, 749 01:47:06,400 --> 01:47:08,880 the state needs to address this because 750 01:47:08,880 --> 01:47:10,719 it's not just Pike County, it's 751 01:47:10,719 --> 01:47:14,560 McGofflin County, it's uh Martin County 752 01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:16,400 and just about every other county around 753 01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:18,960 here. Um 754 01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:21,119 I'll do whatever I can whether I'm judge 755 01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:23,600 or I'm out of office to try to help get 756 01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:25,679 something done over there. But what we 757 01:47:25,679 --> 01:47:28,239 tried to do is put a trailer in 758 01:47:28,239 --> 01:47:30,320 >> to where they could base a crew there to 759 01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:32,400 try to cut the response time. Now, a lot 760 01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:34,400 of people say, "Well, there's never an 761 01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:35,679 ambulance there." Well, you know, it's 762 01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:40,080 if it's out on a run or I mean, you 763 01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:41,760 know, that's a that's part of the 764 01:47:41,760 --> 01:47:46,560 problem. Um, we have people from 765 01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:48,480 uh Lifeguard and we have people from 766 01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:51,280 Appalachian First Response, 767 01:47:51,280 --> 01:47:53,600 both ambulance services, come to the 768 01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:54,880 meeting. if you recall, you were over 769 01:47:54,880 --> 01:47:58,320 there, I think. And uh they they've even 770 01:47:58,320 --> 01:48:00,080 got a program where they would pay for 771 01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:02,480 people to go get their EMT license. They 772 01:48:02,480 --> 01:48:05,280 would pay their tuition. They would pay 773 01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:08,159 their um cost of uh pay them while 774 01:48:08,159 --> 01:48:09,600 they're in school and guarantee them a 775 01:48:09,600 --> 01:48:11,520 job when they got out. They couldn't 776 01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:14,080 hardly get anybody to sign up for it. 777 01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:16,800 Um, and you know, the pay is not great 778 01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:18,560 for EMTs 779 01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:20,639 and it's a tough job when they're, you 780 01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:23,760 know, they're working so many hours, but 781 01:48:23,760 --> 01:48:24,800 you know, I know you've worked 782 01:48:24,800 --> 01:48:26,800 tirelessly on this issue and I'll do 783 01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,159 anything I can to help you and I'll take 784 01:48:28,159 --> 01:48:40,310 the the petition from you and 785 01:48:40,320 --> 01:48:41,840 I don't know a lot of names on this 786 01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:43,360 petition. 787 01:48:43,360 --> 01:48:45,360 I just don't know, Hillman, how we go 788 01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:47,280 about 789 01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:48,960 >> how we go about getting it done. 790 01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:50,560 >> Well, I didn't know whether or not you 791 01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:52,800 had an agreement with the ambulance 792 01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:55,199 service when you put the trailer in 793 01:48:55,199 --> 01:48:57,119 there that they would uh supply the 794 01:48:57,119 --> 01:48:59,360 needs. I know we had a couple guys there 795 01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:00,880 that night at the mate that was wanting 796 01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:03,040 to put their own ambulance service in at 797 01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:06,080 their cost, Woody Barker and Hodge 798 01:49:06,080 --> 01:49:08,480 Harden, and they said they didn't have a 799 01:49:08,480 --> 01:49:11,600 certificate of need to qualify for it. 800 01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,239 So that got shot down, but they had a 801 01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:15,679 building already built and they had the 802 01:49:15,679 --> 01:49:17,920 ambulances already located and was ready 803 01:49:17,920 --> 01:49:20,960 to go go forward with it. And what I was 804 01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:22,560 trying to say, if this company is not 805 01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,400 going to be able to provide our needs, 806 01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:26,159 maybe they can turn it over to somebody 807 01:49:26,159 --> 01:49:27,040 else that can. 808 01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:28,800 >> If if there's a company that's willing 809 01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:31,600 to to to apply for a certificate of need 810 01:49:31,600 --> 01:49:34,320 over there, as long as I'm judge next 811 01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,639 three months, I'll help them. If I'm out 812 01:49:36,639 --> 01:49:38,239 of office, I'll help them because I do 813 01:49:38,239 --> 01:49:40,560 think that something needs to be done. 814 01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:43,520 Um the problem is and let me explain 815 01:49:43,520 --> 01:49:46,000 people about the certificate of need 816 01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,639 because there's such a razor thin margin 817 01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:50,000 and we've been concerned about one of 818 01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:51,440 the other ambulance services. I think 819 01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:53,920 that's a fair statement, isn't it? We 820 01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:55,440 we've got some concerns about another 821 01:49:55,440 --> 01:50:00,880 ambulance service in the county that is 822 01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:02,880 there's no guarantees that it may not 823 01:50:02,880 --> 01:50:05,600 close because of the very reason I'm 824 01:50:05,600 --> 01:50:07,520 talking about the razor thin margins 825 01:50:07,520 --> 01:50:09,280 because Medicare and Medicaid 826 01:50:09,280 --> 01:50:13,910 reimbursements are so bad. 827 01:50:13,920 --> 01:50:15,360 The reason you have a certificate of 828 01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:17,520 need is if you've got five or six 829 01:50:17,520 --> 01:50:20,159 competing ambulance services and they're 830 01:50:20,159 --> 01:50:22,159 all driving the prices down and there's 831 01:50:22,159 --> 01:50:24,080 just not enough calls, then you end up 832 01:50:24,080 --> 01:50:25,520 with no ambulance service because none 833 01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,760 can afford to stay in business. That's 834 01:50:27,760 --> 01:50:29,040 the whole reason they've got it 835 01:50:29,040 --> 01:50:30,560 particularly, you know, in a rural area 836 01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:33,040 because it's the same reason that you 837 01:50:33,040 --> 01:50:34,800 can't go out here and put a surgical 838 01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:36,719 center in or like if I wanted to buy an 839 01:50:36,719 --> 01:50:39,119 MRI unit and start an MRI business, I 840 01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:40,880 can't do that because, you know, you 841 01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:42,400 suck so much money away from the 842 01:50:42,400 --> 01:50:43,920 hospitals, pretty soon they can't afford 843 01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:46,400 to run a radiology department. That's 844 01:50:46,400 --> 01:50:50,639 the theory behind it. But, um, you know, 845 01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:52,960 maybe the next court can find the money 846 01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:56,560 to come up. It would cost several 847 01:50:56,560 --> 01:50:58,000 million dollars a year to run for an 848 01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:59,600 emergency ambulance service. It would 849 01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:01,679 never pay for itself. The county would 850 01:51:01,679 --> 01:51:04,719 have to subsidize it. And my former 851 01:51:04,719 --> 01:51:06,400 deputy judge, Reggie Hickman, always 852 01:51:06,400 --> 01:51:07,679 said when the county was getting 853 01:51:07,679 --> 01:51:10,159 millions and millions of coal severance, 854 01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:12,000 it would have been a good idea. But 855 01:51:12,000 --> 01:51:14,400 we've never had this kind of problem. 856 01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:16,000 You know, when you had Phelps Ambulance 857 01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:17,600 Service, you had Elorn City Ambulance 858 01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:19,520 Service, you had Shelby Valley, you had 859 01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:21,920 Appalachin First Response, then you had 860 01:51:21,920 --> 01:51:25,199 the other services like, you know, uh, 861 01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:27,440 prior to lifeguard that that covered the 862 01:51:27,440 --> 01:51:29,760 rest of the county. I mean, you had, but 863 01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:31,360 a lot of it has to do with the Medicare 864 01:51:31,360 --> 01:51:32,960 and Medicaid reimbursements and the 865 01:51:32,960 --> 01:51:36,239 ability to hire people. But if if Woody 866 01:51:36,239 --> 01:51:38,159 and whoever over there is willing to do 867 01:51:38,159 --> 01:51:40,239 it, 868 01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:41,760 I would make a suggestion that they 869 01:51:41,760 --> 01:51:43,520 contact an attorney that has experience 870 01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:46,320 in doing CO applications, 871 01:51:46,320 --> 01:51:48,560 but I know you're you're very interested 872 01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:50,800 in this and your family's over there. 873 01:51:50,800 --> 01:51:52,800 >> They they spent a lot of money, a lot of 874 01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:54,880 time with trying to get a certificate of 875 01:51:54,880 --> 01:51:58,000 need at the time. And if this company 876 01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:01,840 can't do their duties and do their job, 877 01:52:01,840 --> 01:52:04,000 if they would render it over to somebody 878 01:52:04,000 --> 01:52:06,480 else to come in, you guys have got a 879 01:52:06,480 --> 01:52:09,360 fantastic place there at Phelps where 880 01:52:09,360 --> 01:52:11,679 they can meet. And it's not only Phelps, 881 01:52:11,679 --> 01:52:14,639 you know, we've got new areas in my 882 01:52:14,639 --> 01:52:17,679 district. It is in uh 883 01:52:17,679 --> 01:52:20,000 over in Grapevine and Feds Creek. You 884 01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:22,719 know, they're isolated, too. And 885 01:52:22,719 --> 01:52:25,199 >> we're so far away from the hospitals. If 886 01:52:25,199 --> 01:52:28,400 we don't get the the first little bit of 887 01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:30,080 medicine in people, then they ain't 888 01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:31,360 going to make it. 889 01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:33,199 >> Oh, it's it's it's a matter of life and 890 01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:33,679 death. 891 01:52:33,679 --> 01:52:36,400 >> Yeah. But I appreciate you guys and 892 01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:38,400 whatever you can do. You know, Freddy, 893 01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:39,840 you're our magistrate. 894 01:52:39,840 --> 01:52:40,480 >> Yeah. 895 01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:42,800 >> And uh appreciate whatever the court can 896 01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:45,440 do. And I plan on taking this on down 897 01:52:45,440 --> 01:52:47,920 the road. I'm gonna go talk to the 898 01:52:47,920 --> 01:52:49,840 senator. You said you would go with me. 899 01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,320 >> Oh, absolutely. I first of all, thank 900 01:52:52,320 --> 01:52:57,760 you Hman for for bringing this up and and fighting for it because I've 901 01:52:57,760 --> 01:53:00,080 said for years, the last four or five 902 01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,080 years, I I've seen it on Facebook and 903 01:53:02,080 --> 01:53:04,159 stuff prior to me even taking cuz I've 904 01:53:04,159 --> 01:53:06,719 only I've not been here two years yet, 905 01:53:06,719 --> 01:53:09,920 but it's just humane to have a ambulance 906 01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:14,000 service for any community. So, one of my 907 01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:16,080 dealings with it was when I was in 908 01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:18,719 Lexington at a training, one of the 909 01:53:18,719 --> 01:53:21,520 upper management personnels from that 910 01:53:21,520 --> 01:53:23,520 ambulance service that's supposed to be 911 01:53:23,520 --> 01:53:26,719 in Phelps was there speaking. So, when 912 01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:28,880 he got done speaking, me, I asked him if 913 01:53:28,880 --> 01:53:30,800 he could uh give me a few minutes. I'd 914 01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:32,000 like to talk to him. And I started 915 01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:34,159 telling him, I've got an area in my 916 01:53:34,159 --> 01:53:36,800 district that, you know, is I mean, it 917 01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:38,400 don't have ambulance service. The people 918 01:53:38,400 --> 01:53:40,080 over there, you know, that I I've got 919 01:53:40,080 --> 01:53:42,159 two grandchildren lives in Phelps. you 920 01:53:42,159 --> 01:53:44,560 know, a son and a daughter-in-law. I 921 01:53:44,560 --> 01:53:47,760 mean, and he told me, he said, "Mr. 922 01:53:47,760 --> 01:53:49,520 Lewis, I totally understand what you're 923 01:53:49,520 --> 01:53:52,400 saying." He said, "I I I I truly do." He 924 01:53:52,400 --> 01:53:54,159 said, "You guys did give us an office 925 01:53:54,159 --> 01:53:56,159 over there to work out of." He said, 926 01:53:56,159 --> 01:53:58,159 "But let me say this." He said, "With 927 01:53:58,159 --> 01:54:00,639 the way the laws are and the amount of 928 01:54:00,639 --> 01:54:02,080 calls that we come out of there," he 929 01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:04,719 said, "I can't staff that with two 930 01:54:04,719 --> 01:54:06,719 people 24 hours a day." He said, 931 01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:09,360 "Because I can't afford to because the 932 01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:11,920 way Medicare pays." And he said, "The 933 01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:14,960 law requires me to have a paramedic and 934 01:54:14,960 --> 01:54:18,000 a driver." Um, he said, "And I'll just 935 01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:19,840 be honest." He said, "I I I can't afford 936 01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:21,920 to." He said, "I I want to," he said, 937 01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:23,760 "but I just can't afford to do it." And 938 01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:24,639 I said, "Man, 939 01:54:24,639 --> 01:54:26,719 >> well, you had another issue. You had 940 01:54:26,719 --> 01:54:28,400 another issue, too, Hillman. At one 941 01:54:28,400 --> 01:54:29,920 time, the ambulance service at Phelps, 942 01:54:29,920 --> 01:54:33,199 as I understand, it was was subsidized, 943 01:54:33,199 --> 01:54:34,960 you know, in part by the coal industry 944 01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,320 because they had to have an ambulance 945 01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:37,280 service over there." 946 01:54:37,280 --> 01:54:38,239 >> Yeah. 947 01:54:38,239 --> 01:54:39,679 Now you don't have I don't know if you 948 01:54:39,679 --> 01:54:41,760 maybe have one mine in the in the Phelps 949 01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:43,440 area operating. I think there's one over 950 01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:44,480 one mine. 951 01:54:44,480 --> 01:54:47,119 >> Yeah, we only have have one strip job I 952 01:54:47,119 --> 01:54:49,520 think operating but we got the tipples 953 01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:50,320 on 954 01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:50,880 >> Yeah. 955 01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,119 >> Kentucky Carbon and the other place that 956 01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:54,880 Phelps but uh 957 01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,119 >> you know whatever you guys could do it 958 01:54:57,119 --> 01:54:59,199 would be greatly appreciated. I know the 959 01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:00,800 people 960 01:55:00,800 --> 01:55:03,040 would love to have it and and Freddy a 961 01:55:03,040 --> 01:55:05,360 lot of the calls they don't get now 962 01:55:05,360 --> 01:55:08,000 people's kind of got used to when they 963 01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:09,760 get sick they put them in a car and try 964 01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:10,159 to make 965 01:55:10,159 --> 01:55:12,880 >> loading them up they know that there's 966 01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:15,040 no no need to call an ambulance because 967 01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,280 it will be an hour hour and a half out 968 01:55:17,280 --> 01:55:18,880 >> and by that time they could lose their 969 01:55:18,880 --> 01:55:19,280 love 970 01:55:19,280 --> 01:55:21,040 >> I totally agree with that human I I 971 01:55:21,040 --> 01:55:26,239 totally I'll say this anytime that you know if you want to I mean I've 972 01:55:26,239 --> 01:55:28,239 talked to state representatives about 973 01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:30,639 it, senators about it. I and and I don't 974 01:55:30,639 --> 01:55:33,040 understand all the paperwork and the 975 01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:34,880 filings and stuff like like the judge 976 01:55:34,880 --> 01:55:36,239 was talking about. I you know, I'll be 977 01:55:36,239 --> 01:55:37,920 the first to say I don't understand all 978 01:55:37,920 --> 01:55:40,080 that, but I don't care bit in the world. 979 01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:42,239 Me and you, we'll load up and we'll go 980 01:55:42,239 --> 01:55:44,480 down there and talk to them and and 981 01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:47,040 we'll do I'll do anything I can to try 982 01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:49,040 to get ambulance service over there. I I 983 01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:49,840 truly would. 984 01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:52,560 >> I appreciate that. until until until 985 01:55:52,560 --> 01:55:55,679 they fund reimbursements for ambulance 986 01:55:55,679 --> 01:55:57,760 providers 987 01:55:57,760 --> 01:56:00,239 through Medicare and Medicaid more money 988 01:56:00,239 --> 01:56:03,920 than they are right now. I mean, I've heard some of the numbers. I mean, 989 01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:05,440 >> you know, they make a run and get 990 01:56:05,440 --> 01:56:08,080 reimbured $150 on it or something. I 991 01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:09,440 mean, they're losing money on some of 992 01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:11,599 these runs. and you know they've got 993 01:56:11,599 --> 01:56:13,920 significant insurance costs, significant 994 01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:15,679 manpower costs, 995 01:56:15,679 --> 01:56:17,440 >> and you know, they hire a paramedic and 996 01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:18,880 then next thing you know, the hospital 997 01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:20,800 hires them to work in the ER with better 998 01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:23,360 pay and better benefits. They're gone. 999 01:56:23,360 --> 01:56:27,040 >> And um that's a huge problem. And I 1000 01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:28,880 think that Big Sandy Community Technical 1001 01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:33,520 College because I helped when I was in my first term to 1002 01:56:33,520 --> 01:56:36,639 get a grant from the uh BB&T Foundation 1003 01:56:36,639 --> 01:56:39,840 to help 110,000 I think. Was that right, 1004 01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:41,760 Gene? to help start the to help Big 1005 01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:44,800 Sandy start their uh EMT training 1006 01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:46,400 program and I think they have since 1007 01:56:46,400 --> 01:56:49,360 expanded it to a paramedic program. But, 1008 01:56:49,360 --> 01:56:50,639 you know, it's just hard to get people 1009 01:56:50,639 --> 01:56:51,920 interested in doing it. 1010 01:56:51,920 --> 01:56:52,320 >> Yeah, 1011 01:56:52,320 --> 01:56:54,800 >> I understand. I appreciate that. But on 1012 01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:57,520 the I'd like to say that I want to 1013 01:56:57,520 --> 01:56:59,920 >> say thanks to you and the court for the 1014 01:56:59,920 --> 01:57:01,760 work you've done at the Phelps 1015 01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:02,719 Courthouse. 1016 01:57:02,719 --> 01:57:03,119 >> Yeah. 1017 01:57:03,119 --> 01:57:04,960 >> You know, the renovation work. It looks 1018 01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:07,760 like a different building and still got 1019 01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:09,280 it there. And hopefully, you know, one 1020 01:57:09,280 --> 01:57:11,199 of these days we might get it back in 1021 01:57:11,199 --> 01:57:13,440 operation like it used to be because it 1022 01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:15,920 saves the people so much time have to 1023 01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:17,679 come over here to take care of their 1024 01:57:17,679 --> 01:57:19,840 taxes or whatever. And 1025 01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:23,199 >> you know, we just blessed to have it and 1026 01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:25,040 thank y'all and you have a good day. 1027 01:57:25,040 --> 01:57:25,360 >> Thank you. 1028 01:57:25,360 --> 01:57:27,119 Helman. 1029 01:57:27,119 --> 01:57:29,599 >> All right. 1030 01:57:29,599 --> 01:57:32,880 Next item on the agenda is anything from 1031 01:57:32,880 --> 01:57:35,599 any of the department uh supervisors? I 1032 01:57:35,599 --> 01:57:37,440 don't see anything. William, you got 1033 01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:38,239 anything? 1034 01:57:38,239 --> 01:57:38,560 >> No. 1035 01:57:38,560 --> 01:57:40,480 >> Paul, Roy, you got anything? 1036 01:57:40,480 --> 01:57:41,599 >> I don't have anything. You all got 1037 01:57:41,599 --> 01:57:42,320 anything, gentlemen? 1038 01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:44,639 >> I do. I've got a question for Roy. Roy, 1039 01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:46,400 could you update everybody about this 1040 01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:49,199 stupid about this uh situation with the 1041 01:57:49,199 --> 01:57:52,400 landfill lawsuit? I've been told that 1042 01:57:52,400 --> 01:57:55,440 I'm withholding information that we all 1043 01:57:55,440 --> 01:57:57,599 know. Let will you let the people know 1044 01:57:57,599 --> 01:57:59,599 about this? 1045 01:57:59,599 --> 01:58:02,639 Here is about all I could say about this 1046 01:58:02,639 --> 01:58:06,560 point. We are in federal court in London 1047 01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:09,280 because they closed the courthouse. They 1048 01:58:09,280 --> 01:58:11,679 have sent being the landfills attorney 1049 01:58:11,679 --> 01:58:14,080 have sent paperwork. 1050 01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:15,920 What we have to do with that, it's a 1051 01:58:15,920 --> 01:58:17,599 little bit different. People think, you 1052 01:58:17,599 --> 01:58:18,960 know, around here if you get served 1053 01:58:18,960 --> 01:58:20,639 locally, you know, they send the sheriff 1054 01:58:20,639 --> 01:58:22,480 out, you get a certified letter telling 1055 01:58:22,480 --> 01:58:25,040 you you got so many days to to, you 1056 01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:27,040 know, file an answer in court. Federal 1057 01:58:27,040 --> 01:58:28,880 court's a little bit different. You 1058 01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:32,080 still have to eventually file paperwork, 1059 01:58:32,080 --> 01:58:34,320 but there are time limits. Right now, 1060 01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:36,639 what has happened is we have got the 1061 01:58:36,639 --> 01:58:40,159 initial suit from the company, our 1062 01:58:40,159 --> 01:58:42,800 companies that are suing us. what we 1063 01:58:42,800 --> 01:58:45,760 have done and I've talked with our judge 1064 01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:49,679 about this and we have uh an attorney 1065 01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:52,480 that does this type of litigation, a law 1066 01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:55,440 firm that represents us. We are in talks 1067 01:58:55,440 --> 01:58:59,119 with our lawyer about defenses, things 1068 01:58:59,119 --> 01:59:03,920 that we need to put in our response and 1069 01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:07,119 we have a time frame to do that. And 1070 01:59:07,119 --> 01:59:08,880 typically, 1071 01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,119 uh it's a little bit early. You know, 1072 01:59:11,119 --> 01:59:13,280 we're well aware of the time frame. 1073 01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:15,599 Typically, we would have until right 1074 01:59:15,599 --> 01:59:18,639 before Halloween. I think the days it 1075 01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:20,320 would be after the next court meeting, 1076 01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:22,159 but our lawyer will probably ask for a 1077 01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:23,520 little bit more time, which is 1078 01:59:23,520 --> 01:59:25,440 traditional because, you know, when you 1079 01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:26,880 get hit with all this stuff, you've got 1080 01:59:26,880 --> 01:59:28,480 to digest it. You got to look through 1081 01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:31,679 it. You got to sit down. Uh if you all 1082 01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:33,119 will remember when we were having the 1083 01:59:33,119 --> 01:59:35,199 discussions about whether or not you 1084 01:59:35,199 --> 01:59:36,880 were thinking about rescending it and I 1085 01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:38,639 said guys we can't talk about a lot of 1086 01:59:38,639 --> 01:59:41,199 this stuff in open court. That still 1087 01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:44,960 holds true because you can't let them 1088 01:59:44,960 --> 01:59:46,800 know what we are thinking we're going to 1089 01:59:46,800 --> 01:59:49,119 do at this point until we actually have 1090 01:59:49,119 --> 01:59:51,679 our lawyer draw it up and file it. Now 1091 01:59:51,679 --> 01:59:53,920 that will be done in a timely manner as 1092 01:59:53,920 --> 01:59:56,639 permitted by the rules. Now there are 1093 01:59:56,639 --> 01:59:57,920 probably a couple people in this 1094 01:59:57,920 --> 01:59:59,360 courtroom that are familiar with federal 1095 01:59:59,360 --> 02:00:00,960 court rules. Most of you are familiar 1096 02:00:00,960 --> 02:00:02,719 with state court rules. They are 1097 02:00:02,719 --> 02:00:07,119 entirely different. Um but we are doing 1098 02:00:07,119 --> 02:00:10,880 what we have to do and uh I can't give 1099 02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:13,520 any more specifics than that kind of 1100 02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:16,320 statement. But we are aware we are doing 1101 02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:18,880 what we need to do and when we get to 1102 02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:20,639 the point that we can actually file 1103 02:00:20,639 --> 02:00:24,880 stuff then you can ask me question or I will tell you all beforehand, you 1104 02:00:24,880 --> 02:00:26,080 know, but we'd have to do that in 1105 02:00:26,080 --> 02:00:28,400 executive session. Then once it's made 1106 02:00:28,400 --> 02:00:32,320 public, then we can talk about it if you 1107 02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:34,159 want to talk about it. Is that fair 1108 02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:34,560 enough? 1109 02:00:34,560 --> 02:00:36,560 >> Yeah. And it's safe to say though that I 1110 02:00:36,560 --> 02:00:38,560 do not know no more about it than 1111 02:00:38,560 --> 02:00:41,040 anybody else in Pike County. Right. I 1112 02:00:41,040 --> 02:00:42,719 don't know nothing about this law. 1113 02:00:42,719 --> 02:00:46,080 >> You know what I and and to we don't talk 1114 02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:47,679 about that lawsuit every time. We've got 1115 02:00:47,679 --> 02:00:49,360 multiple. Okay. You know, the thing is 1116 02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:52,480 the county at any given time and the 1117 02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:53,920 number of lawsuits because we've handled 1118 02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:55,520 them well, I think during your all's 1119 02:00:55,520 --> 02:00:57,199 administration have went down 1120 02:00:57,199 --> 02:00:59,040 significantly since I started doing this 1121 02:00:59,040 --> 02:01:02,960 job. But, you know, you all get updates, 1122 02:01:02,960 --> 02:01:05,360 but I don't update you every time we go 1123 02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:07,199 back there on every single thing because 1124 02:01:07,199 --> 02:01:09,920 I kind of tell you, you know, the public 1125 02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:12,719 knows that in the next, you know, by 1126 02:01:12,719 --> 02:01:14,880 thanks by Thanksgiving there'll probably 1127 02:01:14,880 --> 02:01:17,920 be more stuff out. maybe by uh 1128 02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:20,639 Halloween. But there again, I have to 1129 02:01:20,639 --> 02:01:22,960 allow our attorney that's filing all 1130 02:01:22,960 --> 02:01:26,480 this stuff a chance to talk to us. And I 1131 02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:27,520 think Ray would agree with that, 1132 02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:28,639 wouldn't you, Ray? That you know, they 1133 02:01:28,639 --> 02:01:30,400 talk to us quite regularly. At least E, 1134 02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:32,080 Ray, or me or one of us. They'll call us 1135 02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:35,119 up and and we will go through, but we 1136 02:01:35,119 --> 02:01:36,480 can't really tell you what all our stuff 1137 02:01:36,480 --> 02:01:40,709 is going to be till it happens. 1138 02:01:40,719 --> 02:01:41,840 » Good enough. 1139 02:01:41,840 --> 02:01:44,880 >> That's good enough. That's I'll judge. 1140 02:01:44,880 --> 02:01:46,320 Okay, 1141 02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:47,679 >> ready? Anything? 1142 02:01:47,679 --> 02:01:50,080 >> I'd just like to uh thank everyone and 1143 02:01:50,080 --> 02:01:52,320 our employees and stuff. And let me say 1144 02:01:52,320 --> 02:01:54,719 this uh you know, we know election 1145 02:01:54,719 --> 02:01:57,679 time's here and uh you know, a lot of 1146 02:01:57,679 --> 02:02:00,320 folks is uh running for different 1147 02:02:00,320 --> 02:02:03,840 offices. Um I think it's very important 1148 02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:06,400 to say that you know, let's you know, 1149 02:02:06,400 --> 02:02:07,840 thankfully that everybody wants to take 1150 02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:09,199 part in our government. That's a 1151 02:02:09,199 --> 02:02:10,960 wonderful thing. There's you know, we 1152 02:02:10,960 --> 02:02:14,159 need good people to do that. Uh but 1153 02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:17,119 let's just make sure you know everybody 1154 02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:19,760 keep it clean. Uh stay civil. We've got 1155 02:02:19,760 --> 02:02:22,080 enough heartache. We've got enough hurt. 1156 02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:24,400 We've got enough problems throughout not 1157 02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:27,119 only our county but our country then to 1158 02:02:27,119 --> 02:02:30,560 be you know turning on each other. Let's 1159 02:02:30,560 --> 02:02:34,880 turn to each other and work together and get through it and may the best 1160 02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:38,239 candidate win. And um you know I never 1161 02:02:38,239 --> 02:02:40,159 have nothing bad to say about nobody. 1162 02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:43,360 And um and I won't. I I just don't I 1163 02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:45,360 don't do that. That's not who I am. If I 1164 02:02:45,360 --> 02:02:48,239 have to down a man or a woman or talk 1165 02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:51,119 about somebody, um you know, I'm just 1166 02:02:51,119 --> 02:02:53,119 going to go to my house and and continue 1167 02:02:53,119 --> 02:02:55,679 to work my primary job. I'm it's not 1168 02:02:55,679 --> 02:02:59,840 that important to me. Uh so, you know, 1169 02:02:59,840 --> 02:03:02,000 best of luck to all the candidates. May 1170 02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:05,520 God bless you. Uh elections and u you 1171 02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:07,679 know, don't overpromise. I'll say that. 1172 02:03:07,679 --> 02:03:09,520 Don't overpromise. I know I see a lot of 1173 02:03:09,520 --> 02:03:10,960 folks saying, "I'm going to do this and 1174 02:03:10,960 --> 02:03:12,639 I'm going to do that." It's very 1175 02:03:12,639 --> 02:03:14,639 important that you know that, you know, 1176 02:03:14,639 --> 02:03:16,719 once you get elected into any position, 1177 02:03:16,719 --> 02:03:18,639 you got to go to training right off the 1178 02:03:18,639 --> 02:03:20,480 bat in Lexington or Frankfurt and you're 1179 02:03:20,480 --> 02:03:24,400 going to figure out really, really, quick that you're not 1180 02:03:24,400 --> 02:03:28,080 going to do nothing u on your own. uh 1181 02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:30,719 it's you know anything that's done uh 1182 02:03:30,719 --> 02:03:32,480 through this county is done through and 1183 02:03:32,480 --> 02:03:34,719 by the physical court as a majority 1184 02:03:34,719 --> 02:03:36,639 whether it's paving a road whether you 1185 02:03:36,639 --> 02:03:38,800 know just like Fabian's road work orders 1186 02:03:38,800 --> 02:03:41,360 you know every road work order that he 1187 02:03:41,360 --> 02:03:44,080 sends we have to approve it so it's not 1188 02:03:44,080 --> 02:03:46,000 Fabian going out there making a decision 1189 02:03:46,000 --> 02:03:48,239 okay I'm going to do this or it's not me 1190 02:03:48,239 --> 02:03:49,920 going out there making a decision okay I 1191 02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:52,159 want to do this that's not how the law 1192 02:03:52,159 --> 02:03:54,560 works that's not how it works in you 1193 02:03:54,560 --> 02:03:57,119 know uh in the state of Kentucky I and 1194 02:03:57,119 --> 02:04:00,480 it's a team effort. U you know you so so 1195 02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:03,040 just remember that you know don't 1196 02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,560 overpromise. I tell people I'm going to 1197 02:04:04,560 --> 02:04:06,880 do the very best I can and and and 1198 02:04:06,880 --> 02:04:08,719 that's all that's all I can promise them 1199 02:04:08,719 --> 02:04:11,679 you know and uh because these decisions 1200 02:04:11,679 --> 02:04:13,360 are made by multiple people. They're 1201 02:04:13,360 --> 02:04:17,119 just not made by one person. Um I I you 1202 02:04:17,119 --> 02:04:19,040 know just just keep that in mind and I 1203 02:04:19,040 --> 02:04:21,199 hope God blesses you and you have a 1204 02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:27,109 wonderful um wonderful election. 1205 02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:28,719 Ros, anything? 1206 02:04:28,719 --> 02:04:30,880 >> Yeah, I got maybe a couple little things 1207 02:04:30,880 --> 02:04:32,719 there. First, I'd like to thank all the 1208 02:04:32,719 --> 02:04:35,199 workers and everybody for all the hard 1209 02:04:35,199 --> 02:04:38,880 work they do, you know, and and I'd like 1210 02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:40,560 to mention something about a tragedy 1211 02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,360 that happened Friday with a buddy of 1212 02:04:43,360 --> 02:04:46,239 mine. It's really took a pretty good 1213 02:04:46,239 --> 02:04:50,400 hold on me. We drove up together 1214 02:04:50,400 --> 02:04:53,760 and uh Friday 1215 02:04:53,760 --> 02:04:55,520 he was out in the mountains and a tree 1216 02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:57,360 fell on him. Corner said he 1217 02:04:57,360 --> 02:04:59,599 approximately laid there seven hours he 1218 02:04:59,599 --> 02:05:01,040 by himself 1219 02:05:01,040 --> 02:05:01,440 >> man. 1220 02:05:01,440 --> 02:05:08,400 >> So he passed away and uh we were real good friends you know and there put 1221 02:05:08,400 --> 02:05:10,800 him put that me a family in prayer. 1222 02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:13,360 >> Absolutely. 1223 02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:15,599 >> All right. I just want to uh just touch 1224 02:05:15,599 --> 02:05:17,920 on a couple things. I wasn't going to 1225 02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:21,920 say anything, but um last week uh we 1226 02:05:21,920 --> 02:05:25,760 lost the state had a uh a tragedy that 1227 02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:27,760 affects all of us when Trooper Hayden 1228 02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:29,920 Phillips was murdered 1229 02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:33,199 uh senselessly on I65 in western 1230 02:05:33,199 --> 02:05:35,280 Kentucky. and I didn't know Trooper 1231 02:05:35,280 --> 02:05:39,040 Phillips, but uh 1232 02:05:39,040 --> 02:05:41,360 >> we all owe a tremendous debt of 1233 02:05:41,360 --> 02:05:44,000 gratitude for our to our Kentucky State 1234 02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:45,920 Police. They put their lives on the line 1235 02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:48,320 every day. And you know, when you go out 1236 02:05:48,320 --> 02:05:50,159 to the memorial out here on the wall 1237 02:05:50,159 --> 02:05:52,480 down downstairs, my great-grandfather's 1238 02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:54,719 pictures there, he got shot and killed 1239 02:05:54,719 --> 02:05:57,440 >> at Robinson Creek by a drunk uh when he 1240 02:05:57,440 --> 02:06:00,159 was in 1929 when my grandmother was 13 1241 02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:02,800 years old. And it was just horrible. and 1242 02:06:02,800 --> 02:06:05,840 her and her sisters and brothers, they 1243 02:06:05,840 --> 02:06:07,440 carried that with them until they all 1244 02:06:07,440 --> 02:06:08,880 passed away. It was just something they 1245 02:06:08,880 --> 02:06:12,960 never got over. And Trooper Phillips 1246 02:06:12,960 --> 02:06:17,840 uh had three young sons and a wife 1247 02:06:17,840 --> 02:06:25,119 and his family just the devastation that that would I mean that that that's 1248 02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:27,840 something that most of us 1249 02:06:27,840 --> 02:06:29,520 cannot 1250 02:06:29,520 --> 02:06:31,280 you know we've all everybody here has 1251 02:06:31,280 --> 02:06:34,480 lost somebody in their life but to have 1252 02:06:34,480 --> 02:06:36,159 that happen when somebody gets up to go 1253 02:06:36,159 --> 02:06:37,920 to work 1254 02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:40,560 and somebody young healthy state trooper 1255 02:06:40,560 --> 02:06:43,119 and he's murdered for no reason by a 1256 02:06:43,119 --> 02:06:45,280 pure piece of garbage. 1257 02:06:45,280 --> 02:06:46,079 >> Absolutely. 1258 02:06:46,079 --> 02:06:49,920 >> And you know, I hope that justice is 1259 02:06:49,920 --> 02:06:54,880 swift and I hope that it is uh I hope 1260 02:06:54,880 --> 02:06:56,960 that uh that he gets the same level of 1261 02:06:56,960 --> 02:06:59,040 mercy that the gentleman that did this 1262 02:06:59,040 --> 02:07:02,719 that he u that he uh he gave Trooper 1263 02:07:02,719 --> 02:07:04,239 Phillips. 1264 02:07:04,239 --> 02:07:06,320 uh sometimes, 1265 02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:09,679 you know, there needs to be a tall a 1266 02:07:09,679 --> 02:07:13,840 tall uh tree and a short rope and uh 1267 02:07:13,840 --> 02:07:17,119 that there's nothing that that's too uh 1268 02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:19,119 no punishment too severe in my opinion 1269 02:07:19,119 --> 02:07:22,400 for that for this murder. Uh but I would 1270 02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:24,480 just like to ask everyone to remember 1271 02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:26,320 what our law enforcement officers do 1272 02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:28,719 every time they put their uniform on. 1273 02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:31,599 We've lost law enforcement officers 1274 02:07:31,599 --> 02:07:33,760 uh in this community. It's had a 1275 02:07:33,760 --> 02:07:37,360 tremendous uh uh impact on on all of us 1276 02:07:37,360 --> 02:07:41,040 here and uh the law enforcement 1277 02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:43,440 community. Um you know, I saw when I 1278 02:07:43,440 --> 02:07:45,840 started getting the blue alerts 1279 02:07:45,840 --> 02:07:48,320 u and I I'm the I'm I was the guy that 1280 02:07:48,320 --> 02:07:50,159 sponsored that. You know, it was crazy 1281 02:07:50,159 --> 02:07:51,520 that people were complaining about 1282 02:07:51,520 --> 02:07:54,079 getting the blue alert messages. And I 1283 02:07:54,079 --> 02:07:56,560 sponsored that bill when Karen, my my 1284 02:07:56,560 --> 02:07:58,320 friend, the late Karen Leonard, called 1285 02:07:58,320 --> 02:07:59,280 me 1286 02:07:59,280 --> 02:08:01,360 >> and brought it to my attention after her 1287 02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:05,520 son u Jonathan was killed in a car wreck 1288 02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:08,719 here in Pike County in the line of duty. 1289 02:08:08,719 --> 02:08:11,760 And um I was hoping that that's the 1290 02:08:11,760 --> 02:08:13,599 first time I recall ever seeing the blue 1291 02:08:13,599 --> 02:08:16,239 alert used. I was hoping it would never 1292 02:08:16,239 --> 02:08:18,239 be used, but it worked. It served a 1293 02:08:18,239 --> 02:08:19,520 purpose 1294 02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:24,000 >> and uh it alerted people to the um what 1295 02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:26,560 had happened. It alerted people to be on 1296 02:08:26,560 --> 02:08:30,320 the lookout for the uh the perpetrator 1297 02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:34,159 and hope it's never used again. But I 1298 02:08:34,159 --> 02:08:37,040 would just like to ask everyone to say a 1299 02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:41,840 prayer for the Phillips family and um to 1300 02:08:41,840 --> 02:08:43,520 remember our law enforcement officers 1301 02:08:43,520 --> 02:08:45,199 and first responders, our volunteer 1302 02:08:45,199 --> 02:08:46,880 firefighters. 1303 02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:48,719 Uh 1304 02:08:48,719 --> 02:08:50,560 they put their lives on the line for us 1305 02:08:50,560 --> 02:08:51,840 every single day. 1306 02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:52,560 >> Yeah. 1307 02:08:52,560 --> 02:08:54,719 >> And I'll even put our road crews in that 1308 02:08:54,719 --> 02:08:56,800 because, you know, they're out there 1309 02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:58,320 responding to to dangerous 1310 02:08:58,320 --> 02:09:01,360 circumstances. and uh we have a county 1311 02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:03,440 employees that that put their lives on 1312 02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:05,920 the line for the for their uh their 1313 02:09:05,920 --> 02:09:09,760 friends and neighbors as well. So um 1314 02:09:09,760 --> 02:09:11,360 just again remember that family and your 1315 02:09:11,360 --> 02:09:12,960 prayers. I wanted to wanted to me 1316 02:09:12,960 --> 02:09:15,360 mention that because I thought u on 1317 02:09:15,360 --> 02:09:17,040 behalf of the people of Pike County, we 1318 02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:18,639 wanted to express our condolences to the 1319 02:09:18,639 --> 02:09:20,960 Philips family and to the uh and all the 1320 02:09:20,960 --> 02:09:23,280 members of the Kentucky State Police. So 1321 02:09:23,280 --> 02:09:24,960 >> judge, I'd like to add to what you're 1322 02:09:24,960 --> 02:09:26,480 saying that blue alert you're talking 1323 02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:29,360 about. I was uh actually on my way to a 1324 02:09:29,360 --> 02:09:30,880 manager's meeting in Nashville, 1325 02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:33,040 Tennessee when that happened and that 1326 02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:35,520 blue alert went off and I was on 1327 02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:37,760 Cumberland Parkway right before you hit 1328 02:09:37,760 --> 02:09:41,599 65. And I tell you, it works because 1329 02:09:41,599 --> 02:09:44,000 they wasn't an exit. There wasn't a wide 1330 02:09:44,000 --> 02:09:46,400 spot. There was nowhere from there all 1331 02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:48,480 the way to Nashville, Tennessee 1332 02:09:48,480 --> 02:09:50,079 >> that they wasn't at least two or three 1333 02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:52,079 cop cars sitting in the media on the 1334 02:09:52,079 --> 02:09:54,560 road. And I mean, they was staged up. 1335 02:09:54,560 --> 02:09:56,719 And unfortunately 1336 02:09:56,719 --> 02:10:02,159 um I drove by um and uh seen the trooper 1337 02:10:02,159 --> 02:10:05,119 um and uh it was it was horrible. It it 1338 02:10:05,119 --> 02:10:07,520 was horrible. And and to see some of the 1339 02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:10,000 stuff that I see on social media, the 1340 02:10:10,000 --> 02:10:12,719 comments from people, it blows my mind. 1341 02:10:12,719 --> 02:10:15,280 And I sit and I I asked God, I say, "How 1342 02:10:15,280 --> 02:10:18,079 did we get this evil that are that 1343 02:10:18,079 --> 02:10:20,320 people would make these types of 1344 02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:23,119 comments and stuff on social media?" I 1345 02:10:23,119 --> 02:10:26,079 we're living in a day where, you know, 1346 02:10:26,079 --> 02:10:28,320 good is uh evil and evil is good, I 1347 02:10:28,320 --> 02:10:30,800 guess, you know, to in a lot of lot of 1348 02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:33,679 places and a lot of hearts and it's sad. 1349 02:10:33,679 --> 02:10:35,679 So, 1350 02:10:35,679 --> 02:10:37,440 I hope we get back to where we should be 1351 02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:38,719 when it comes to things like this 1352 02:10:38,719 --> 02:10:40,320 because those guys are laying it on the 1353 02:10:40,320 --> 02:10:41,199 line for us every 1354 02:10:41,199 --> 02:10:44,310 >> day. 1355 02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:45,280 All right, 1356 02:10:45,280 --> 02:10:47,119 >> Judge, let's go ahead and wrap this up 1357 02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:48,800 so you can go finish celebrating your 1358 02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:51,280 birthday that you spent with us. All 1359 02:10:51,280 --> 02:10:52,639 right, William, would you like to close 1360 02:10:52,639 --> 02:10:54,079 us out with a word of prayer 1361 02:10:54,079 --> 02:10:56,000 >> and we'll uh 1362 02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:59,119 >> Let us pray. Father God, we come to you 1363 02:10:59,119 --> 02:11:01,199 tonight and Lord, we thank you for uh 1364 02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:02,800 the decisions made here and we thank you 1365 02:11:02,800 --> 02:11:04,320 for the guidance that you've put into 1366 02:11:04,320 --> 02:11:06,960 this. We pray that all decisions are in 1367 02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:08,320 your will and for the best of this 1368 02:11:08,320 --> 02:11:10,639 county and the people there in. Lord, 1369 02:11:10,639 --> 02:11:12,079 we'd also like to remember Trooper 1370 02:11:12,079 --> 02:11:14,159 Phillips and and the law enforcement 1371 02:11:14,159 --> 02:11:17,360 people and the first responders and and 1372 02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:19,119 Lord, the firefighters and even down to 1373 02:11:19,119 --> 02:11:21,199 the to the people that work our roads 1374 02:11:21,199 --> 02:11:24,320 and and uh every day and that they're 1375 02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:26,880 just out there in the middle of the road 1376 02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:28,480 and trying to trying to make a living. 1377 02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:29,920 And Lord, we ask that you watch over 1378 02:11:29,920 --> 02:11:32,079 each and every one of them. Send your 1379 02:11:32,079 --> 02:11:34,079 mercies upon us and Lord, we ask it all 1380 02:11:34,079 --> 02:11:36,079 in the sweet name of Jesus. Amen. 1381 02:11:36,079 --> 02:11:36,719 >> Amen. 1382 02:11:36,719 --> 02:11:39,040 >> All right. So, as Commissioner Lewis 1383 02:11:39,040 --> 02:11:40,960 said, all the decisions that we make are 1384 02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:42,639 not made by one of us. It's made they're 1385 02:11:42,639 --> 02:11:46,079 made jointly. So, uh you know, whether 1386 02:11:46,079 --> 02:11:48,400 we enter into a contract or we vote to 1387 02:11:48,400 --> 02:11:50,239 adjourn, I can adjourn us here tonight. 1388 02:11:50,239 --> 02:11:51,280 So, is there a motion? 1389 02:11:51,280 --> 02:11:52,960 >> Make a motion. 1390 02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:54,639 >> You got a motion a second. So, madam 1391 02:11:54,639 --> 02:11:55,840 cler, please call the role. 1392 02:11:55,840 --> 02:11:57,440 >> Commissioner Scott, yes. Commissioner 1393 02:11:57,440 --> 02:11:59,599 Atkins, yes. Commissioner Lewis, yes. 1394 02:11:59,599 --> 02:12:00,320 Judge, 1395 02:12:00,320 --> 02:12:03,639 >> we are ajourned.