1 00:00:08,010 --> 00:00:27,450 All right, welcome to the panel of County Board of Supervisors August 17, 2021, 26 special session meeting. We are in order. Well, let's close it we can get and I'll see him confirm attendance by phone. I have supervisor Vice Chairman Sirty on the phone. 2 00:00:27,450 --> 00:00:29,150 I am here. 3 00:00:29,450 --> 00:00:30,070 You are there. 4 00:00:30,510 --> 00:00:31,850 Supervisor Goodman. 5 00:00:34,010 --> 00:00:34,330 President. 6 00:00:34,770 --> 00:00:35,290 President. 7 00:00:35,610 --> 00:00:36,330 Supervisor Miller. 8 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:39,280 President. 9 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:40,340 All right. 10 00:00:40,380 --> 00:00:41,420 Thank you. 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,680 I've got a supervisor video hello sitting over here in my right and do we have this Kennedy 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,760 online or on the phone. 13 00:00:49,180 --> 00:00:49,500 President. 14 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:50,740 President. All right. 15 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:51,640 Thank you all. 16 00:00:52,180 --> 00:00:52,360 All right. 17 00:00:52,540 --> 00:00:53,540 We have one item before. 18 00:00:53,660 --> 00:00:56,080 Since discussion approval to approval of the fiscal year, 19 00:00:56,080 --> 00:01:01,460 2026, 2027, property tax levies and rates for all government entities, 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:07,380 of Penal County, and I have, all it says not you. 21 00:01:07,620 --> 00:01:10,520 It says Andy was, but there's why I was welcome. 22 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,300 Turn your mic on though, I think. 23 00:01:23,060 --> 00:01:23,620 Is that on? 24 00:01:23,960 --> 00:01:24,560 There we go. 25 00:01:24,820 --> 00:01:25,740 All right, starting over. 26 00:01:25,780 --> 00:01:26,280 Good morning. 27 00:01:26,580 --> 00:01:28,100 Chairman McLaren, members of the board. 28 00:01:28,300 --> 00:01:33,360 Blue Bay Williams, budget supervisor with the Office of Budget and Finance, presenting this 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:38,460 Here's property tax rate and levy presentation along with the agenda item today. 30 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:47,400 It is to adopt and certify the fiscal year 2020-6, 2020-7 rates, which is in compliance 31 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,720 with state statutes. 32 00:01:49,420 --> 00:01:53,800 Before we begin the presentation, I'd like to take a quick moment to recognize the 33 00:01:53,800 --> 00:02:00,340 team behind the information before you today, gathering every tax levy and rate in Penao County 34 00:02:00,340 --> 00:02:06,700 requires teamwork between the treasures, assessors, school superintendents and the budget team. 35 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,540 So thank you to all of you for your hard work and dedication. 36 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:18,880 So we began by looking at last year county wide average rates. 37 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,840 So this is fiscal year 2526. 38 00:02:22,300 --> 00:02:33,320 Penal County had a total combined rate of $12.32 this place is near the higher end of the 39 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:33,920 cents. 40 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:41,460 This year's tax dollar. Every property tax dollar 41 00:02:41,460 --> 00:02:45,120 levied across the county. About 26 cents goes to 42 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:49,540 Penal County. The remaining 74 cents funds other local 43 00:02:49,540 --> 00:02:54,380 jurisdictions such as your schools, cities, towns, and 44 00:02:54,380 --> 00:02:57,580 special districts. We see here that the schools make up 45 00:02:57,580 --> 00:02:59,260 the majority of the dollar. 46 00:03:02,630 --> 00:03:04,550 Turning to our primary rate 47 00:03:04,550 --> 00:03:08,050 history. Penal County has consistently worked to reduce 48 00:03:08,050 --> 00:03:11,190 It's primary property tax rate over time. 49 00:03:11,530 --> 00:03:13,850 We look at fiscal year 2223. 50 00:03:14,190 --> 00:03:16,490 Our rate was $3.56. 51 00:03:17,470 --> 00:03:22,050 And for fiscal year 2627, we're lowering it further 52 00:03:22,050 --> 00:03:24,570 to $3.26. 53 00:03:25,950 --> 00:03:30,170 What this also shows is that the county is operating at 62% 54 00:03:30,170 --> 00:03:32,210 of its maximum tax rate. 55 00:03:32,830 --> 00:03:35,810 So this means that to reach the maximum tax rate, 56 00:03:35,810 --> 00:03:41,290 there is an additional $88 million that this board could have taxed its residents. 57 00:03:41,770 --> 00:03:45,630 However, you did not. You chose to reduce it again this fiscal year. 58 00:03:49,190 --> 00:03:54,350 Here is how our proposed fiscal year 2627 rates compare statewide. 59 00:03:55,310 --> 00:04:01,030 For the secondary rates, I'd like to note that when we're collecting that information from other counties, 60 00:04:01,430 --> 00:04:06,650 we are ensuring that we are comparing to secondary rates that are only similar to ours, 61 00:04:06,650 --> 00:04:09,090 which is your flood and library districts. 62 00:04:09,870 --> 00:04:13,450 So this year, our primary rate reduced by 3%. 63 00:04:15,090 --> 00:04:22,790 It sits at 3.2607 and our combined rate is 3.508. 64 00:04:23,590 --> 00:04:27,510 Well, our rates are above the statewide average of $2.22 cents. 65 00:04:27,730 --> 00:04:29,990 We do see that our strategy does continue 66 00:04:29,990 --> 00:04:31,590 to push these rates downward. 67 00:04:31,590 --> 00:04:43,050 The county is the highest reduction for fiscal year 2627 primary rate reduction at 10 cent or combined at 11 cent. 68 00:04:46,610 --> 00:04:49,070 Primary net assessed value per capita. 69 00:04:49,770 --> 00:04:58,190 But the county's primary net assessed value is 4.4 billion across a population of over 502,000 residents. 70 00:04:58,190 --> 00:05:08,170 This results in a net assessed value per capita of 8,841, which is the fourth lowest in the entire state. 71 00:05:11,330 --> 00:05:15,730 Looking at actual primary levy dollars generated per person. 72 00:05:16,130 --> 00:05:22,430 Penal county sits at 288 per resident for fiscal year 2627. 73 00:05:23,190 --> 00:05:29,270 This is very close to your statewide county average of 277 dollars per person. 74 00:05:31,990 --> 00:05:36,870 Another key factor in our tax structure is our assessment base. 75 00:05:37,810 --> 00:05:44,090 73% of Penal County's tax base is residential or class 3 and 4, 76 00:05:44,570 --> 00:05:50,030 followed by commercial at 20% and 6% for agriculture. 77 00:05:53,670 --> 00:05:57,390 Now to put our progress into context, we'll look back at fiscal year 1011, 78 00:05:58,050 --> 00:06:02,870 where the county had the second highest primary property tax burden 79 00:06:02,870 --> 00:06:12,050 as a percentage of personal income at 1.14 percent. Today, for fiscal year 2627, that burden 80 00:06:12,050 --> 00:06:20,530 has significantly dropped to 0.55 percent that moves us to the 6th highest. And since fiscal 81 00:06:20,530 --> 00:06:30,350 year 11, aggregate income grew by 191 percent, while our primary levy grew by only 41 percent. 82 00:06:30,350 --> 00:06:32,830 You said the highest, did you mean the lowest? 83 00:06:34,950 --> 00:06:36,530 Moving us to six highest. 84 00:06:36,950 --> 00:06:37,710 Oh, six to okay. 85 00:06:37,990 --> 00:06:39,250 I'm sorry, okay. 86 00:06:40,450 --> 00:06:42,210 The sixth lowest income per capita. 87 00:06:42,810 --> 00:06:44,570 Six lowest, I said highest, yes. 88 00:06:44,590 --> 00:06:45,450 Yeah, I'm just checking. 89 00:06:45,650 --> 00:06:47,290 I'm like, one of my hearing and read, okay. 90 00:06:47,610 --> 00:06:48,270 Yes, thank you, Chairman. 91 00:06:48,490 --> 00:06:49,210 That is correct. 92 00:06:49,390 --> 00:06:51,070 Moving us to the sixth lowest. 93 00:06:51,550 --> 00:06:52,390 Thank you. 94 00:06:54,910 --> 00:07:01,590 To recap, the county has the fourth highest primary property tax rate amongst counties at 3.2607. 95 00:07:01,590 --> 00:07:14,510 We have the 5th highest combined property tax rate at 3.508 and the county has the 4th lowest primary net assessed value per capita. 96 00:07:16,170 --> 00:07:18,470 This concludes the presentation in any questions. 97 00:07:18,470 --> 00:07:22,930 You know, I just comment, I think we're moving in the right direction, that's the goal. 98 00:07:23,870 --> 00:07:24,270 Keep going. 99 00:07:25,010 --> 00:07:36,310 One question maybe would be going back to your percentage, 73% residential, 20 commercial and 6% 100 00:07:36,310 --> 00:07:36,910 Ag. 101 00:07:37,570 --> 00:07:42,370 So that 20% has moved up considerably, has it not over the last 10 years? 102 00:07:42,370 --> 00:07:50,750 It has moved up. I can get you specific numbers from maybe like a five-year look back to see what that has actually increased. 103 00:07:51,570 --> 00:07:58,770 I know that from the prior year I think we were sitting just under that or over that percentage. 104 00:07:59,610 --> 00:08:04,590 So I can look to see also what has driven that change from the prior year to this year. 105 00:08:04,590 --> 00:08:08,990 Well, it's going to change, because we have more people moving, so that's a kind of a moving target, 106 00:08:09,330 --> 00:08:11,450 but the fact that it's growing, is it's going to work? 107 00:08:11,770 --> 00:08:12,290 Yeah, that's good. 108 00:08:12,310 --> 00:08:13,930 Any other questions from the board? 109 00:08:14,970 --> 00:08:18,690 Yeah, first I just want to thank you Chairman for allowing us to happen today and everybody 110 00:08:18,690 --> 00:08:19,210 on the phone. 111 00:08:19,590 --> 00:08:22,290 Thank you for all the hard work that everybody puts in. 112 00:08:22,410 --> 00:08:26,690 I can imagine how much time this takes in all the hours, and we do appreciate you. 113 00:08:27,470 --> 00:08:31,310 In layman terms, is there an average dollar per year? 114 00:08:31,570 --> 00:08:33,830 People ask that question when I used to be in the city. 115 00:08:33,830 --> 00:08:39,170 Is there an average dollars like $100 a year or $200 a year that they'll be seeing savings? 116 00:08:40,150 --> 00:08:43,690 That's probably a difficult number because I know it's based on income and everything, 117 00:08:44,110 --> 00:08:47,830 but is there an average dollar approximately or is that tough to answer? 118 00:08:48,270 --> 00:08:51,290 Is there an average dollar saving savings? 119 00:08:52,330 --> 00:08:53,270 Savings of what? 120 00:08:53,650 --> 00:08:57,710 Well, monthly or yearly from what it was last year to this year. 121 00:08:59,210 --> 00:09:03,110 Because that way, say, well, you lowered it, but I didn't see my value go down, I keep telling 122 00:09:03,110 --> 00:09:07,210 and your value went up on your property, so your property goes up, 123 00:09:07,430 --> 00:09:09,930 but they want to, they always ask, what is that number I'm saving? 124 00:09:10,590 --> 00:09:13,890 And I told them to go most in zero, I mean, it's very close. 125 00:09:14,050 --> 00:09:16,250 Who are TNTs or just below? 126 00:09:16,770 --> 00:09:19,910 So, I know it's a difficult one to answer, but when I was in the city, 127 00:09:20,130 --> 00:09:21,110 they asked that question every time. 128 00:09:21,150 --> 00:09:22,770 Well, we were low at it seven years and a whole, 129 00:09:22,910 --> 00:09:23,990 then why did my bill go up? 130 00:09:24,190 --> 00:09:26,330 Because your value went up, it's so. 131 00:09:27,130 --> 00:09:32,950 That's a German supervisor, Vitello, do you mind if I try to take a stab at that? 132 00:09:32,950 --> 00:09:33,230 you. 133 00:09:35,350 --> 00:09:40,830 Chairman is absolutely correct. We're adopting, and for the record, this is Sanjay Woods 134 00:09:41,230 --> 00:09:49,850 director of the Office budget and finance. We did adopt the TNT rate, which means that 135 00:09:50,570 --> 00:10:00,510 as the value of the property went up, that similarly matches to that tax bill. It's very difficult 136 00:10:00,510 --> 00:10:07,970 to answer that question for every single taxpayer, as most of that is at the aggregate. 137 00:10:08,950 --> 00:10:15,510 And then additionally to that, you have secondary rates that make up or go down. 138 00:10:16,170 --> 00:10:20,250 And so when a resident is looking at their tax bill, 139 00:10:22,410 --> 00:10:23,390 it's quite complex. 140 00:10:23,390 --> 00:10:41,310 And so, to be able to sit down and look at one specific tax bill in comparison and to answer that question for a taxpayer is much easier than trying to answer that on the aggregate. 141 00:10:41,870 --> 00:10:42,610 Does that exist? 142 00:10:43,610 --> 00:10:46,850 So, you're looking at that to all the different taxes. 143 00:10:47,090 --> 00:10:50,930 I had one constituent contacted me, so you lowered the tax rate, but my tax bill went up 144 00:10:50,930 --> 00:10:51,490 $13. 145 00:10:53,210 --> 00:10:56,050 You know, it's like, well, okay, but, you know, what is it? 146 00:10:56,170 --> 00:11:01,990 Which is absolutely correct because even at singular properties, right? 147 00:11:01,990 --> 00:11:10,630 So aggregate, at the, you know, aggregate, that we may have all increased, but individually, 148 00:11:10,630 --> 00:11:18,390 Some properties may have increased higher than the aggregate and some may have decreased depending on that valuation 149 00:11:18,390 --> 00:11:22,450 But it may also be the fire district went up for the school district went up or something 150 00:11:22,450 --> 00:11:31,130 We lowered our rates across the county library flood and the primary so absolutely, and that's where that singular property 151 00:11:31,130 --> 00:11:40,190 With the primary rate the the change in that valuation and then all of the secondary rates to do that comparison 152 00:11:40,190 --> 00:11:45,830 And for one individual, is much different than comparing the aggregate rates. 153 00:11:46,270 --> 00:11:48,310 Just telling them we're doing better than everybody else. 154 00:11:48,830 --> 00:11:49,310 Exactly. 155 00:11:49,310 --> 00:11:50,510 That's exactly what I told them. 156 00:11:51,070 --> 00:11:51,090 Thanks. 157 00:11:51,570 --> 00:11:51,990 Thank you. 158 00:11:52,170 --> 00:11:53,310 Any other questions from the board? 159 00:11:53,790 --> 00:11:55,290 I will give it to the supervisor. 160 00:11:55,670 --> 00:11:56,350 Sir, any good men? 161 00:11:56,490 --> 00:11:56,710 Miller? 162 00:11:56,990 --> 00:11:57,690 Do you have any questions? 163 00:12:00,380 --> 00:12:01,020 Sir, any questions? 164 00:12:02,540 --> 00:12:03,080 No questions. 165 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:05,500 I'm good. 166 00:12:06,380 --> 00:12:06,660 Good. 167 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:09,480 That's good. 168 00:12:09,500 --> 00:12:10,200 Miller's good. 169 00:12:11,500 --> 00:12:11,800 All right. 170 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:17,740 If there's no more questions, then I'd ask for motion please. 171 00:12:18,020 --> 00:12:24,480 Mr. Chair, make a motion to approve item 1 as written for the 2026-2027 tax. 172 00:12:24,780 --> 00:12:26,060 I have a motion as a second. 173 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:29,040 Second. Second. 174 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:31,480 I have a motion in a second and a second and a second. 175 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,620 Okay, that's good. We're getting there. 176 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:35,420 Okay, this is a roll call vote. 177 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,120 Supervisor Vitello. 178 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:40,660 Supervisor Goodman. 179 00:12:42,140 --> 00:12:42,860 I. 180 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:44,860 Supervisor Miller. 181 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:46,840 I. 182 00:12:47,980 --> 00:12:48,740 Vice Chairman 30. 183 00:12:50,940 --> 00:12:51,660 I. 184 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:53,860 I'm back. 185 00:12:54,460 --> 00:12:55,560 Vice Chairman. 186 00:12:57,540 --> 00:12:59,180 What's that you? 187 00:13:00,420 --> 00:13:00,980 Yeah. 188 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:01,420 Yeah. 189 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:02,660 I thank you. 190 00:13:02,820 --> 00:13:04,040 And I hit hang up. 191 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:06,020 So I've rejoined the call. 192 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:06,380 Yes. 193 00:13:06,380 --> 00:13:13,380 Okay, supervisor sirty. We were we have a motion in a second on this item and we're doing a roll call vote 194 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,400 And you're up. Okay, I'm going to be an eye. There we go. 195 00:13:20,020 --> 00:13:22,640 Chairman McClors. Hi 196 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,280 Motion passes all right, and with that 197 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:34,180 Let's see we are now there's no more business before the board. We're adjourned. Thank you very much everybody. Thank you crew out there 198 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:35,980 We're out