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Call to order the Village Council meeting of July 23rd, 2024, and we'll begin as we usually do. We'll have an

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indication from Reverend Stilman, our neighbor, the Trinity Fellowship Church right down the street,

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and he'll be followed by a pledge of allegiance that's going to be led by Will Simmons, a seventh

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greater and Pinehurst resident at O'Neill School. So, Reverend Stilman. Please join me in prayer.

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In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, God of all nations and peoples,

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this evening you bless us with gifts of life and health, love and friendship, wisdom and

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inspiration.

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Despite our differences, you have gathered us here to work for the improvement of our community.

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We thank you for your grace and for the labor of those who have made themselves available

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for the benefit of their neighbors, where we are ignorant and lightness, where we are

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broken healers. We pray these things in the name of Jesus Christ and for our

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sex, though He was rich, He became poor. Amen. Thank you. Will Simmons?

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pledge allegiance to the flag of United States of America, and to a very

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public for which it stands, one nation under God, end of Israel, with liberty and

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us this for all. Thank you Will.

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We will begin as we usually do with reports and we'll turn

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to the village manager, Jeff Sanborn, anything you like? Yeah, thank you, Patrick. I want to

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steal anybody's thunder, but we do have U.S. kids coming back to town next week. Always a

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big event around here. That kicks off with the parade on Tuesday at six o'clock and then the

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tournament and play will continue through the weekend so hopefully everybody has a good time

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with that.

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Thank you.

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I just have a two short item, three short items, the past two weeks, I and many of my colleagues

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tended to the two of the Department of Transportation public meetings on the Pioneer's

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traffic circle, and there's having another one tonight, they're third, and we later will

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be talking about that at length as a separate agenda on our item on our agenda, but they

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were widely attended and look forward to discussing that.

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Secondly, after a photo of that, yesterday we received a letter or email from the Southern

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Pines guarding club, dressed to the members of this council, and the members of the Southern

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Pines, a town council, and to the North Carolina Department of Transportation, and I'll

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read a couple of sentences from the Southern Pines Garden Club, believe that the NC DOTs plan

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would be devastating to Pines, and are surrounding community, ripping out the current

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traffic circle, and paving it with asphalt in the company maze of lanes and traffic

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like to a more the beauty of the town, so many of us call home and change our appearance forever.

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It's been submitted by the Southern Pines Garden Club signed by President Elizabeth Webster.

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So put that for the record.

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And lastly, last week I had the opportunity to attend a briefing by the...

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I'll call it the leadership of Fort Liberty.

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They hosted it for other municipal leaders of Mork County and it was held at the Mork County Courthouse in Carthage.

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It was very informative. I learned a lot and one of the things I learned is that even though those of us here just referred to the village manager as Jeff Sandborn.

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When he walked in that room, he was Colonel Sandborn. I just want to let you know that.

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All the folks in uniform it was like a whole week so anyway, it was a good event and

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the fort liberty that their leadership that's taking over now obviously is a group will

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be able to work with down the road so look forward to that Dr. Morgan.

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Just a short one here, typically give kudos on the reports but I want to give kudos to our citizens.

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The representation that occurred in the meetings specifically the first meeting that was held at

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the first elementary was outstanding, and that's an important one of the pilot, but it's

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going to have a fact.

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We'll talk about that more later.

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But our citizens, wait a minute.

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I attended both the Pinehurst and the Carthage DOT presentations.

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I would echo Jeff Morgan.

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Democracy is not just about showing up on election day.

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It's a lot more participation.

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It works better when citizens remain actively involved.

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I thought it was a terrific turn out there.

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I thought it was a pretty good turn out up in Carthage and to the extent that there weren't quite as many people there, those who turned up probably had a little better opportunity to really engage with the engineers from TOT.

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I think we're going to talk a little bit more later in the presentation in our meeting about our reactions while I'll just stop there.

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Okay, thank you.

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Bob Pickling.

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Well, I too attended.

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The DOT presentation at Pinehurst Elementary. And I too want to thank all the people who came out and stood in 100 degree heat in a very long line to get in. And many were disappointed because there was no presentation.

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Although I have heard many of you got a chance to talk to DOT representatives, which was great.

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But anyway, our thanks and more to come on that topic. Thank you.

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The check.

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The second on the comments on the NCDO team meeting at the Piner's Elementary thought

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was very interesting.

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With regards to Fort Liberty, now that you mentioned it, I being on the Board of Directors

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now that Mr. Sandborn, Colonel Sandborn, has really linked with his position as chair

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of the Board of Directors, and I'm sitting in now, pretty big shoes to fill although I'm

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not chair.

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I did attend the Board of Directors meeting over a spring lake a few weeks ago, where we

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reviewed the financials and the status and the budget.

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This is the Port Liberty Regional Land Use Advisory Commission, which is chartered with

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reviewing land use decisions in adjoining municipalities and counties to see what other could

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be in a impact on the mission and or environmental concerns in Port Liberty.

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So it's a very important commission, in my opinion.

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The Commission reviewed about 125 land use proposals

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in the second quarter of 2024 from some of the eight counties

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and 15 municipalities whose land use decisions may affect the base.

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And we also plan the general meeting for August.

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You'll welcome, obviously, Jeff.

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And they express a good deal of interest.

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We express a good deal of interest in staying

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on top of the land use plan as being developed by more county

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as it may or may not affect the mission and at port liberty.

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So very interesting there.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Check if I could as one follow one of the DOT people

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with whom I spoke sometime in the last two weeks.

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Talk about plans to expand the number of people

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resident in the camp McCall area and possible need

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or road development down there did that come up and that may not be yet.

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It has come up in the past, particularly in Jeff, you can elaborate on this, where the

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Duke power had proposed isproposing and will build cell towers at their stations nearby

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Cant McCall, and the question was whether or not that would impact the airspace and the

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flight patterns, because Cant McCall is used quite frequently, is that correct?

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Yeah, I think they were able to resolve those questions.

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But the question did also come up in the briefing that Patrick and I got from the New

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Garrison Commander a week or two ago, and they didn't give us any details, but they did

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suggest that there is going, there are going to be some future changes that are going to

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create some more permanent military presence at chemical.

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Other questions?

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Comments?

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We'll go on to motion item four.

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Motion approved consent agenda.

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I've, again, noted to my colleagues, the item three B or item B on the consent agenda,

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which is the end of your summary reports for the police and the fire departments.

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And the past means we've had a presentation, they walked us through their reports.

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I don't know if they're prepared to do that tonight.

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The police are fire chief.

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I don't see Glenn so I think Derek did come tonight in case you had questions, or she

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know the past precedence was always in the consent of the agenda.

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One of you asked to have, it pulled on the consent agenda of the last time we did this.

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We didn't recognize that that was intended to be a new precedent.

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All right, well, I just think it's because public safety is our number one responsibility as a village council and all.

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I just think it's good for us and for our residents to hear firsthand from the leadership of the two key public safety organizations,

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our fire department and our police department, to walk us through that data.

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So if we want to just move that and place it on a separate item to next week, next council

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meeting, that would be fine with me.

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Well, we could add it for this evening as well and take care of the fire part of it.

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We could do that about, but I think it, I find it useful when both the fire and the police

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department are together and say, if it's okay with everyone here, we'll just move it to the next

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meeting.

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I wouldn't have any problem approving the reports as part of the consent agenda, but I would

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to hear a presentation of them.

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I'm fine with that.

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We can do that.

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And then we will just place this items separately

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for a presentation in two weeks.

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Is that okay?

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Is that just there?

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We will leave it there.

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And then we will add the appropriate item to the next

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Council meeting agenda.

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Excuse me.

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All the items listed below are considered routine

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or have been discussed at length in previous meetings

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and will be enacted by one motion.

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And no separate discussion will be held unless requested by a member of the Village Council.

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So the items are the approval of Village Council meeting minutes, and that includes the

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July 9th, regular meeting, July 9th, work sessions, July 9th, close session, and the

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year and summary reports that we just referenced, and the budget amendments report.

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So do I have in motion?

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I move to approve all the items listed and considered routine on the consent agenda.

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Second.

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Motion in a second, all those in favor?

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Okay.

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We've adopted that.

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And that ends a consent agenda.

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Now we have to go to the public comments.

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I don't know if anybody was not signed up yet.

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When we hear from the folks who have signed up, you're welcome to indicate that you'd like to speak.

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First person is Colette Lasty, yes, okay, Colette, 25 Queen Court.

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Right, 25 Queen Court, Colette Lasty.

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I am not a lawyer.

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Info presented is from extensive research on potential

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replacement of fine-hurst landmark traffic circle

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with a CFI or continuous flow intersection.

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I mentioned NCDOT reps at the two meetings last week, emails that were sent to the Federal

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Highway Transportation System Administration about the negatives of the Circle Replacement.

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NCDOT reps responded that the FHWA focuses on highways only.

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Yes, the 2015 Infrastructure Bill did focus on highways, projects, between $50 and $100 million.

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But the National Highway Roadway Safe.

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The strategy, as part of the two, 2021, bipartisan infrastructure law includes highways, bridges, state and local roads, bypass, and even pedestrian trails. The goal is for zero fatalities on all of the above.

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The FHWA states responsibility to reach these goals,

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rest not just in all governments, entities,

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advocacy groups, but traveling public.

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Objectives include automatic braking systems,

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and finding and funding for speed cameras.

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Also, MPO Project Design involvement is important.

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However, after attending the newly formed More County MPO presentation by the NCDOT and CFI proposal,

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I was left wondering, was this a DNCDOT administrative push possibly to qualify for 2024 federal funding?

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Was this a push by selective MPO committee members seeing this as a path to their growth agenda?

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or were other outline community members, did they understand that removing the circle for future questionable growth was equal to a Western connector or future questionable growth on through roads transsecting their farmlands and equestrian lands.

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I also wondered if a committee implying her citizens could file an IAR.

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It's an interior approval request with the FHWA to consider modifying

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Circle Not Replacement.

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Suggested context besides the FHWA office could include the infrastructure office

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or the console office.

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If FHWA's goal is zero fatalities.

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how could a CFI even be considered?

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After research, civil interchange reports on safety

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a CFI, CFI originally panted in 1995,

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has for multiple level roads.

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When applied to a single road, single-level road has many issues.

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Mainly, the displacement of floaty layers and crashes

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upstream and downstream of the main intersection.

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Another major issue is when the left lane crossover merges into the fast lane, especially

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with increased red light runners.

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According to April 2024, NCDOT crash maps, Pinehurst Circle, and 10 years has reported zero

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fatalities and severe crashes.

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The only CFI in North Carolina open in Huntersville in 2021 has already experienced both fatal and severe crashes.

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When NCDL is pushed for answers, they say pine hers is a circle, it is not around about, because it's 600 foot diameter.

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the circle open in 1950. The first round about was pan and patented in 1966. The main reason

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is because circles originally allowed the right of the way to enter in traffic.

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We're round about when they were patented. Gayway to traffic in the circle.

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Collette, can you wrap it up? Thank you.

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Appreciate it. Thank you. Mr. Bruce Gettys.

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Good evening, Bruce Gettys. I live in a

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Piner C. TJ. I want to first thank you for your comments about citizen

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engagement. I wrote an email this afternoon to all of you and I want to make a few

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points for the record this evening. I have a written copy I'd like to give the

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village clerk when I'm done. So I'm writing this email in behalf of the

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Thousands who have engaged on this issue using social media face the face. I'm a member of a team

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Joanne Valdez Lynn who taps sharp roar

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Natalie Hiler and myself have been engaging as many citizens as we can find and pint her and among our neighbors and southern more county and more county at large

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We understand that we're not the only users of the circle, but we are we are reaching out to as many as we can

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So to date now our campaign is not going to stop today

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We're going to continue until the final decision is made one way or another.

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But today, our online petition, and you can see the link in my email to you all, as received close to 2,300 signatures.

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That's not trivial.

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An online social media campaigns for a local issue.

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That's a significant number.

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We have a paper petition.

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A lot of our residents still like paper and pencil or pen.

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We've received 322 signatures through face-to-face interactions with countless hours of many

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members of our community reaching out to friends and neighbors to sign a paper petition.

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We've submitted the signature list from online, the online petition that changed our work

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to NCDOT at the last two public meetings with updates as we go, and we've also submitted

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the paper petitions in the evening.

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Two members of our team are at Aberdeen, they'll be there shortly, and they're going to submit more of the paper petitions as we go.

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Our Facebook campaign includes two videos of homeowners that are affected by eminent domain, Jerry Delos and Jennifer Zerowski.

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You can see the links in my email to you all. I encourage you to please watch those videos. They're serious and they're moving.

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I mean, moving in the sense of emotionally moving, we hope they'll never have to move.

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Our Facebook campaign is targeted to everyone within a 15-mile radius of the pint-her circle.

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In Facebook, you can actually put a pin on a mat and draw a line, a radius around the people you want to reach.

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So imagine that 15-mile radius around the circle itself as a center of this campaign.

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We've reached over 30,000 people.

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Now, on Facebook, you know, I get to see the analytics, we're seeing numbers that far exceed your own election campaigns.

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I've seen some of the analytics of your own election campaigns, we're seeing an order of magnitude higher, result, and analytics.

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I'm surprised. I'm astounded at how much this issue has energized our base.

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So please watch those videos.

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I also posted the videos and several posts on next door.

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That's reached thousands.

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I'm getting emails from next door telling us that our campaign

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is exceeding anything they've seen in our local area.

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And we've got people organically reposting on next door.

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People we don't even know are finding the petition.

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And they themselves are putting it.

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the petition on our webpage, point her circle.org on next work.

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So this organic reaction is astounding.

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Numerous residents have posted yard signs,

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and we still get requests from more signs.

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Okay, you can see the signs around town that say, improve the circle, don't destroy it with a reference to our website at pinehurstcircle.org.

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Now, with respect to the public meetings, we've had well over a thousand turn out. I appreciate your comments. I appreciate your observations.

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We believe that the word of mouth, the social media campaigns, next to our Facebook, YouTube, the petition, and the website.

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The Council is going to discuss the NCDOT meeting separately later in the evening.

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Okay, well I'm just making a public comment in a regard.

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We believe the social media and the face-to-face and the engagements have really made a significant difference in that turnout.

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So the bottom line is the taxpayers are footing the bill for any changes proposed by NCDOT.

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As you can see in my email to you all,

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War County tax pair of voices are allowed and clear.

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We urge you to cite the results of this campaign

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and a resolution that calls for NCDOT

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to improve the point or circle, not just for you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Is there anybody else here who would like to speak tonight?

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Yes, in the back.

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He's state your name and we're at it.

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My name is Alana Romero.

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I'm over at 105 Lake Forest Drive Southwest.

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over by the lake. I did attend, right, attempted to attend the Pinehurst Elementary School of

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Line was over an hour long. I got there at 447. So 15 minutes early, it was 105 degrees

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and due to I brought my daughter with me. We couldn't stand out in the heat. So it was a bit of

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a failure. I know I talked to people in line and heard them upset that by the time they even

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got in the door, there were no surveys. There were, you know, not really anyone to talk to.

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Um, so there were a lot on heavy people.

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I went to the Carthage and I did speak to several of the DOT representatives.

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I brought up my concern about their projecting the population growth out 30 years.

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I did express reasons as to why I had said going past 10 years is a number you just can't grasp.

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Um, I asked them what models they were using and they did agree that the larger model

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skills they use are based off the same models used in larger cities like Chicago, LA, New York.

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And I did bring up the point that a lot of those cities not only missed their projected

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population growth when they did theirs, they actually are in the negative and, you know,

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there was comments brought up that while they all came here and while that might be true

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right now, we don't have the infrastructure as, you know, Raleigh does even. I asked the county

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Commissioner and the DOT representative, what they thought all these people coming here might do business-wise,

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and they said, well, a lot of them are coming down from Raleigh because they want to live in more county.

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And they said, well, why do they want to live here? And he said, well, because it's beautiful.

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Well, this is beautiful. It's beautiful right now. And there are a lot of people I know up in Raleigh and Kerry,

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who enjoy the rural aspect of more county, but I can guarantee you that if we start deconstructing all that,

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as much as I love more county, there's nothing here, there's hospitality, there's military, and as the commissioner pointed out to me, we have the hospital.

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Yes, we have the hospital, but you and C and Duke are always going to be bigger.

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And the idea that we're trying to change a traffic circle based on a projected maybe population growth is just kind of dumb-bounding to me.

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The domino effect that it'll cause is it'll cause traffic to head down to Bula, then we'll be expanding that, then they'll be saying we need to split that into a four-lane road.

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And I mean, it's just a domino effect of edging out the village of Pinehurst.

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I would consider that from the people that I've talked to the concern is growing that if we allow the traffic circle to take the hit, we're going to lose the beauty and the history that we had here.

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And there are a lot of people saying that it is going to affect their decision-making come the next election not just for commissioner, but for our local village team as well.

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So, I think it is of grave concern.

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I did see on the poster board that they had some very other nice options like a tunnel or the signaling in.

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I don't really understand why they're all moving forward with this giant large issue.

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But I think it would be in the board's best interest to consider that this decision is not only

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hinging for traffic, but the progression of the village and their term in council.

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Thank you, Ms. Romero.

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Is there anyone else who would like to speak?

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Yes.

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I, uh, lingo timmer, um, 11 Salem Lane Pinehurst. Um, I'm some kind of that we're having

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this little discussion because each person that gets up I hear another thing and I'm like,

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oh, that's good, you know? And to me, that's like the most frustrating part of when I went

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to Carthage and to Pinehurst Elementary School, expecting that there was going to be a discussion

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where we could hear each other's ideas and there wasn't. It was just walk around and go to

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from pieces, and you can leave, you can give your comments, but nobody there was going to hear

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them.

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And I thought that was really a missed opportunity, and I, it seemed like basically the states

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made up their mind that they're going to do this, and we really weren't going to say, we're

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just getting the impression we were getting us say.

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And I want to say one of the scariest parts of that is the state seems to have more power

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than the county and the towns and I think that's quite unfortunate to give them more power

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than we that local taxpayers that live with the circle get to say.

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I wanted to also mention we were talking about we should be looking at what with the future

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of this area of being and you can't always tell and I think there's a strong thing to remember

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in that because we seem to go through these stages where cities go from being great to

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being horrible and it come back up and they get horrible. When they get horrible people leave

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and that's what's happening now and even I mean it's used to be all of you know people from the

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us, Seattle, Oregon, because they destroyed those areas already.

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I was living there when the cost of housing quadrupled in four years.

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Now, all the ten cities they have, that's from what they did.

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And they're repeating that everywhere, including here.

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And I think, there's no telling if we start having improved cities.

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you'd find especially improved cost of living in cities.

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I think you'll find a lot of people in this area going back.

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I know when I left New Jersey, I can't go back there now.

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If it goes down in price, though, I'd love to...

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Go back. I also wanted to share as we're looking about all these different things. I'd shift to pillow. When I watched a video there, it looked like a horrific Washington D.C. intersection that could not be figured out.

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What's really confusing and I just want to say that I think if we're I'd like to see us keep it

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But maybe an option could be an overpass or a tunnel underneath and I just want to say with looking at the possibility of a bridge over

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When I was in the Coast Guard

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I participated in a bridge replacement project that took place over the course of approximately eight days. I think it was and

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what they did is they built the bridge in different locations.

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They floated them down the river with a safety zone, a vessel in four safety zone around

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each barge, brought them down and put them in place in a bridge.

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A whole bridge was installed in just over a week, rather down over the course of several years.

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So that was quite an accomplishment with it.

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Would you wrap up?

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Well, I just also want to say about the people from Raleigh coming down here.

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When I first moved here, I went up to Raleigh one day and I thought, what a nice little

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city.

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I could see moving here.

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And as I was driving home, I was listening to a radio station where people were calling

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in about what are your thoughts about installing a light rail system.

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And people were calling in and then the DJ said, well, you do realize they expect the

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population here to quadruple within 10 years, don't you?

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And I'm afraid that's what they had in a trickles down here.

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And I went to a meeting here with some local people

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called Partners in Progress, where it seems

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each town is paying them to basically progress us.

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And the woman there was going, you know, 30, 40 years ago,

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there was only 60,000 people here.

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And now there's over a hundred thousand and by 2050 we expect it to be over a hundred and fifty and because we are over a hundred thousand we are now considered an urban area

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And I said, did you ask us if we want that?

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And basically, these people are working behind our backs to create what's happening here

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to promote more county all over the country and to get people to move here to have a nice quality of life.

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And we seem to be paying them to do that.

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And I'm wondering how much is the town of Pinehurst paying them.

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Now they're called the Economic Development Committee or something along that line.

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But how much are we, the taxpayers paying them to exist to do something that we don't want?

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Good question.

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Thank you for your comments.

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Is there anybody else who'd like to make a comment?

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Okay, hearing none, we'll close the public comment period.

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And we will move on to item six, which deals with ordinances.

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6A specifically is a Mending or it is 24-13 Mending the Library Expansion Capital Project Fund.

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Dana, please.

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Good afternoon council.

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So we have a budget amendment we're requesting for the Library Project to cover any additional expense expenditures we may need for design work that's not related to the Oakley Collier contract.

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This is something that I, it was an oversight on my part when I submitted the prior one thinking

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that there may be these types of expenditures that come up that we would need additional

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budget for design, design work related to that.

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So this is just, we're not increasing the budget at this time, just a transfer between the

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line items in the budget, to prevent in the future for having to come to council for small

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adjustments, relatively small adjustments to the budget, I do propose in this ordinance giving the

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village manager the authority to approve this type of transfer up to $10,000 within the capital

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project fund and providing an official report to council when that is done at the next regular

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meeting. What is the current approval range threshold? Has this work? The annual budget ordinance

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which does not cover this capital project fund has a $25,000 threshold given the smaller budget.

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I felt a lower threshold of $10,000 would be more appropriate.

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Okay, you want to drop the threshold. There is authority now.

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Not within the capital project fund. The the $25,000 that's in the annual budget ordinance

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only applies to the general fund.

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This doesn't does not change the overall land expenditure. Is that correct?

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Correct.

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And this new threshold would be 10,000, is that what you said?

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And is that 10,000 one time or 10,000 occurrence of something like this coming up?

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Oh, occurrence.

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And Council would receive a report.

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If it were something larger that was needed, that would need to come to Council for a formal amendment like this for an ordinance.

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Can you sketch out the types of expenses that you had not previously anticipated that may not be covered by the

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the contract with Oakley Collier.

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Yeah, if there's surveys, Doug, do you know of anything else?

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It's gonna be like that's

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you.

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And so the surveys, tree surveys, et cetera.

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And the precise amount here is 9100, is that right?

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Yes, okay.

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And that would, it's not the exact cost of one specific item that's needed,

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but just to provide some additional dollars in the design budget for small,

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expenditures that may come up that are outside the scope of the the design contract with Oakley Collier

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Other questions from council members on this topic now the important thing is nothing change you overall plan at this point in time

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I mean when we see bits then we'll have a

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What yes

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what type of

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mechanism would the council

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have

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sort of a notification mechanism or something that so

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So, when the village manager is going to do this, is there, you know, there's a difference between approval and just information, and I guess information would be fine if that's going to be built into this.

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Yes, so the way it's written in the ordinances is exactly like the budget transfers that the village managers authorized to do in the general fund where anything over the $10,000 threshold that he, sorry,

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It proves there would be an official budget amendment report to council at the next regular meeting.

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So similar to what was in the consent agenda today reporting a budget amendment that was made in the general fund.

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It would be included in that same format of report and it would be identified separately from the budget amendments for the general fund.

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Correct. If there was, it would be likely in the same report. If there was one for the general fund and one for the capital project fund, it would probably be in the same report, but separately identified. Yes.

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I don't have any other questions, I'm, you know, in the federal government, there are thresholds where the

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reallocation, which is what this is, reallocation of resources, can be exercised by an executive

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because of incidents like this where you get small amounts of money that just need to be moved in a pretty quick fashion

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and don't have to dwell on it.

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So I'll entertain a motion, or we'll hear other questions.

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The motion that we have is just to approve the ordinance 24, 13, and many of the library

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expansion capital project funds.

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Okay.

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So that covers everything we're talking about, correct?

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Yes, sir.

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So I moved to approve ordinance 24, 13, and many of the library expansion capital project

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fund.

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Okay.

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Now we have discussion?

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Along that same line,

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we have a specific instance here with a specific

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some of money in the grand scheme of things is negligible. But the way it reads it, we're

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the ordinance, the ordinance remains the fund, does it provide an ongoing process such

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that future things can also be accommodated? Does? Okay, fine. Thank you. Okay. Any other

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discussion? Okay, all those in favor? Aye. Hearing no objections. Ordnance is proved.

438
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Thank you. Item B, organs 24-14, no parking along the U.S. kids parade route. July 30,

439
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,240
from 4 o'clock to 7 p.m.

440
00:39:38,260 --> 00:39:43,040
Who's got this one dug? Yes. Yes, so the organiser of the U.S. kids event

441
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,760
has asked us to prohibit parking along the parade route during the parade.

442
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,100
I think that makes a lot of sense, so you have an ordinance for you to approve, which will

443
00:39:53,100 --> 00:39:54,100
allow that to happen.

444
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,900
Have we done this every year?

445
00:39:56,600 --> 00:40:04,420
No, so in the past they did not have an official no parking plan, and so if you were parked

446
00:40:04,420 --> 00:40:08,060
there while the parade is going on, you were just stuck there till after the parade was over.

447
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:09,200
Same route though.

448
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:09,800
It's the same route.

449
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:22,500
I also thought when I first read this, this is something that it was no parking here during parade, but I was reminded, yes, there was, and as I reflected on it, there had been cars in front of me while I was standing on the steps there, so.

450
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:28,680
It really, we won't be talking vehicles, we'll just post it that no parking between four and seven p.m.

451
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,560
And if you have some color park there, you know you're stuck there to after seven.

452
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:37,280
And are we going to stake out the street also?

453
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,060
That was not the plan.

454
00:40:41,460 --> 00:40:42,300
I just ask.

455
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:44,880
So what we're going to try to prevent the parking?

456
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,620
So we'll put signage in mostly long chunk of in.

457
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:51,560
And then maybe a little bit on.

458
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:53,660
Is that Magnolia up there?

459
00:40:54,020 --> 00:40:56,920
Anyway, but anywhere there's designated parking, we'll put signage.

460
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:57,560
Thank you.

461
00:40:57,700 --> 00:41:01,560
But along Caroline and Vista, we were not planning on staking that out.

462
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,200
I don't, I don't, but actually not a problem anyway.

463
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,060
Dr. Morgan, did you have a question?

464
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,200
I just commented the parade last year, and I thought that the parking that was interfering

465
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,140
was pretty substantial, and I'd love to see the cars not be on their next time.

466
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:17,620
All right.

467
00:41:18,300 --> 00:41:19,700
This is another ordinance.

468
00:41:21,220 --> 00:41:22,020
Any more discussion?

469
00:41:22,060 --> 00:41:25,820
Otherwise, we'll consider adopting it.

470
00:41:25,820 --> 00:41:36,820
I moved to approve ordinance 24-14 no parking along the U.S. kids parade route July 30, 2024 from 4 p.m. to 7 p.m.

471
00:41:37,620 --> 00:41:38,500
I can.

472
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:42,160
We have a motion in a second, all those in favor.

473
00:41:42,620 --> 00:41:42,640
Hi.

474
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:45,140
I'll set.

475
00:41:48,330 --> 00:41:55,770
Now we go on to item A action regular business seven A to be precise.

476
00:41:55,770 --> 00:42:02,630
the library design progress update from Oakley or Oakley Collier Architects.

477
00:42:02,790 --> 00:42:08,470
Yeah, so we have Jason Gable from Oakley Collier Architects joining us via Zoom, so we'll

478
00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:15,590
give them just a second to kind of get the screen set up and him available.

479
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:20,410
Jason, I'm assuming you can hear us, and yeah, there you go.

480
00:42:20,410 --> 00:42:21,730
This is good.

481
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:22,790
Great.

482
00:42:24,110 --> 00:42:34,470
So while we Jason is going to share his screen to kind of share some of the site plans and designs that we have already designed to this point.

483
00:42:35,150 --> 00:42:40,850
Jason can also go over kind of the rough time frame for what we're looking at for the design and beating out the project.

484
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:46,170
We did share with Council some designs that are there today.

485
00:42:46,170 --> 00:42:52,390
If you have any questions on those, Jason and I are happy to answer those.

486
00:42:52,930 --> 00:42:54,590
Jason, with that, I'll turn it over to you.

487
00:43:36,670 --> 00:43:37,150
Yeah,

488
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,060
we can see it.

489
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:56,920
I've got a few questions.

490
00:44:57,700 --> 00:44:59,920
By the way, I counted thirty.

491
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:06,880
Four parking spots. But again, it could be about what it is to scale, I didn't count 47 back there.

492
00:45:07,220 --> 00:45:11,060
So you might want to just, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's

493
00:45:14,580 --> 00:45:14,620
different.

494
00:45:14,860 --> 00:45:18,540
Okay, well that's different, I thought you said the ones back there, or 47.

495
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,420
All right, well, that's, okay, that's, of course, obviously.

496
00:45:25,860 --> 00:45:31,180
Have we reviewed the interior design and layout with the library staff?

497
00:45:34,540 --> 00:45:42,560
Yeah, sorry, so Jason and Rebecca from Oakley Collier and Audrey and I met maybe a week or so ago.

498
00:45:42,780 --> 00:45:49,860
We reviewed it, we had a little bit of feedback and Jason and Rebecca were able to walk us through it,

499
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:51,660
and I think we are at a good place.

500
00:45:52,540 --> 00:45:58,320
Audrey's here, she can nod her head if she agrees, but we've had a chance to talk about it.

501
00:45:58,980 --> 00:46:03,320
Are there any unanswered questions, or what issues that may...

502
00:46:03,940 --> 00:46:07,440
Well, like one of our, for example, one of our questions was,

503
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,060
Audrey wants to prioritize natural light being into the building, I think we all do.

504
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:16,620
And so Jason and Rebecca showed us, you know, what the windows will look like,

505
00:46:17,140 --> 00:46:21,020
especially in like the adult room in the children room, their extra high,

506
00:46:21,460 --> 00:46:24,480
so they allow an extra amount of natural light.

507
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:29,620
So, things like that, we discussed the hand, we're satisfied, we're happy with them.

508
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:35,020
I noticed there was no skylights, because I was thinking also about the light issue.

509
00:46:35,820 --> 00:46:42,400
I remember we discussed that, not specifically skylights, but when I think of lighting, I think they just usually something led in from the ceiling.

510
00:46:42,620 --> 00:46:45,380
Is that intentionally? Is it a cost-saving reason?

511
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,240
Is it Jason any comments?

512
00:46:49,020 --> 00:46:49,980
Yeah, yeah.

513
00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:31,840
Okay.

514
00:47:39,730 --> 00:47:41,030
Let me have a couple of the items.

515
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:45,930
I noticed that you have on the HBAC units.

516
00:47:46,370 --> 00:47:47,090
They're not on the roof.

517
00:47:47,250 --> 00:47:48,230
They're on the side.

518
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:55,710
I'm glad to see that because I know in some cases today these things are put on the rooftop and can be less than attractive.

519
00:47:56,910 --> 00:47:58,330
So thank you there.

520
00:47:59,110 --> 00:48:04,090
What I will say is that the front, I think, is a,

521
00:48:04,090 --> 00:48:11,410
I think that's a good approach, I mean, it's a pretty good first impression, what I can't

522
00:48:11,410 --> 00:48:17,630
tell, and maybe you can walk me through in a little bit, is just how much if you get off

523
00:48:17,630 --> 00:48:26,110
this sidewalk here at the approach, what is right there? Is it a sort of a drop off zone? Is

524
00:48:26,110 --> 00:48:32,230
it a, are there parking spots there? So that's one thing. The second thing is I thought

525
00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:38,430
the rear entrance, which I assume most visitors will be entering through the rear, because

526
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:39,450
that's where they're parking.

527
00:48:41,310 --> 00:48:50,710
I didn't think it had the curb appeal, I guess that's a word, that this does, and I also

528
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:58,610
noticed in the rear that they had, you have those small, well that's not the, there we go.

529
00:48:58,610 --> 00:49:09,310
The rear has a small scale windows there, very tiny as opposed to what we see up front.

530
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:16,050
So I'm just talking out loud here as someone who has read a lot of this material and reviewed it,

531
00:49:16,050 --> 00:49:19,190
and those are the things that popped out at me. So, come in away.

532
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,020
What is the system that you want?

533
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:43,180
About five degrees, you do not have to have that.

534
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:45,080
I don't know.

535
00:49:48,220 --> 00:49:48,800
Yes, yes.

536
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:50,340
Okay.

537
00:49:50,340 --> 00:49:51,420
We're living like that.

538
00:49:52,240 --> 00:49:52,700
Success.

539
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:55,260
You know.

540
00:49:55,540 --> 00:49:55,660
Or.

541
00:49:59,200 --> 00:49:59,440
Uh-huh.

542
00:49:59,440 --> 00:49:59,920
Okay.

543
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:00,540
Maybe.

544
00:50:05,340 --> 00:50:06,000
Or.

545
00:51:04,550 --> 00:51:05,070
Or.

546
00:51:05,070 --> 00:51:05,290
Or.

547
00:51:05,290 --> 00:51:05,510
Or.

548
00:51:05,590 --> 00:51:06,130
I'm not going to say it.

549
00:51:07,930 --> 00:51:09,330
I'm going to bring you up now.

550
00:51:09,990 --> 00:51:12,710
But the good thing is going to go and know that.

551
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:14,950
I can ask if that deserves to be more comfortable.

552
00:51:15,570 --> 00:51:20,030
If my last goal is to come on and have another goal.

553
00:51:20,590 --> 00:51:23,090
Because it is a year where you can go and know that.

554
00:51:23,550 --> 00:51:25,110
I have started to go on a point of time.

555
00:51:25,470 --> 00:51:33,770
So I started to go and start to go and start to go and have a good time.

556
00:52:27,450 --> 00:52:28,850
Yeah.

557
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,020
If that's

558
00:52:38,790 --> 00:53:02,470
what sort of prompted a little of my question, I can't tell from the drawing, whether or not there's a little driveway that comes into our off-magnelier road into the, or up to the front of the walkway. So someone is actually dropped off, or they dropped off on the curb of Magnolia, because that is a curve.

559
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:17,350
And you've mentioned there's a sort of a safety consideration there, particularly if you're dropping off the drop-offs are going to tend to be there little kids or maybe people who need accessibility easy accessibility.

560
00:53:18,650 --> 00:53:27,790
So I'm not sure is that is it coming off there sort of a semi-circle driveway or is it going to be just on Magnolia where the drop-off takes place?

561
00:54:14,260 --> 00:54:14,740
I

562
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,640
think it would be helpful to see some options like that.

563
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,940
I suppose you could always, I say, always, that's not the right word.

564
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:32,760
But you could consider just moving the structure back a little bit, because you have

565
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,620
some space in the back, so you give yourself a little more room up front there.

566
00:54:37,620 --> 00:54:44,920
I don't know how we gauge, maybe Mortry does know, how do you gauge what percentages are

567
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:50,640
drop-offs and what percentages are people that are going to park and stay for a while.

568
00:54:52,540 --> 00:55:00,160
I just don't know, but there's a sensitivity around that area there for cars and it's

569
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:04,140
sort of a, you know, we're anticipating kids coming to the library.

570
00:55:05,620 --> 00:55:10,720
So anyway, I made my statement. Thank you. Other members?

571
00:55:13,270 --> 00:55:14,510
You're going to check.

572
00:55:15,710 --> 00:55:21,470
I was going to ask, what is the interior wall height of this curious?

573
00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:25,460
Based on all that you answer that.

574
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,320
They're going to be 9 foot healing, 10 foot 12 foot healing.

575
00:55:30,540 --> 00:55:31,500
You know?

576
00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:41,790
vaulted ceilings? Okay.

577
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,420
So anyway the taller in a way the better to a point obviously.

578
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,440
So I'm very confused on the on the roof plan. Sorry the truth.

579
00:55:56,020 --> 00:56:00,760
Some other roof plans initially showed did not show a flat roof.

580
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:07,260
This was showing four flat sections, you know, with valleys leading the water right to the flat roof.

581
00:56:07,260 --> 00:56:11,880
Um, I have a question about that. Is that, uh, is that the plan?

582
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:13,360
Yes.

583
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:00,840
I don't know.

584
00:57:15,050 --> 00:57:18,230
I don't know. I noticed it. I think I think it's quite out.

585
00:57:19,010 --> 00:57:27,190
Just a comment a little on that. When you look again at the rear and the front you've got sort of the flat roof with this.

586
00:57:27,250 --> 00:57:34,770
What do you, I think you call them shed roofs or something where you have that white thing that distracts us from looking at the

587
00:57:34,770 --> 00:57:41,590
flat roof a little which is fine, but in the rear we don't have that. Maybe and that's part of what I think

588
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,240
Makes the rear just a little less

589
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,360
curb appealing in the front. So I

590
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:55,560
Throw that out to you. I don't know what one citizen's opinion. I think it looked problematic

591
00:57:56,420 --> 00:58:05,420
With with the flat roof or just the the look of it or just that it's a flat roof. Well, I'm not a big favor of flat roofs and number one and

592
00:58:07,220 --> 00:58:13,080
aesthetically I think it is better with the, you know, with the pitch roofs all the way around, but

593
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:16,360
that's just me. So I think we can, we can talk about that.

594
00:58:16,860 --> 00:58:21,400
Yeah, yeah, Jason and I can talk offline, but it doesn't change the interior design to my knowledge.

595
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:22,400
Is that correct?

596
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:24,320
No, no, no, no.

597
00:58:49,420 --> 00:58:53,580
That'd be great if you could show what Jack is discussing.

598
00:58:54,460 --> 00:58:56,260
No, no, I want to be specific.

599
00:58:56,260 --> 00:59:01,300
going to say the things I mentioned with the semi-circle driveway up front and maybe moving

600
00:59:01,300 --> 00:59:07,840
things back a little, both feel a little bit with curb appeal rather than other things,

601
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:24,400
but you know off-hand is there a significant cost difference between the shed roofs or

602
00:59:56,110 --> 00:59:56,490
I was

603
00:59:56,490 --> 00:59:59,890
If you're not probably not nasty, I said I'm not very active.

604
01:00:18,380 --> 01:00:18,940
I

605
01:00:21,980 --> 01:00:31,360
don't know of any of our public buildings, particularly up and down Magnolia Road that have that type of rope. Am I right there? Or maybe I miss something?

606
01:01:03,170 --> 01:01:09,410
Okay, something to talk about, I think my other question is the orientation is on the plans

607
01:01:09,410 --> 01:01:14,210
we were seeing the orientation is not even noted on the diagrams, but I think the front

608
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:31,930
faces what would you say northeast and so a low winter sun would not be coming straight in

609
01:01:31,930 --> 01:01:35,590
in any of the windows because that can be a real disturbing if you've ever lived in the

610
01:01:35,590 --> 01:01:39,190
zone area, that's major, major consideration,

611
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:46,640
go

612
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,560
back to the pitch group. I think earlier,

613
01:01:57,820 --> 01:02:04,660
Jason, you referenced that it would probably leave some attic space in all, if we went

614
01:02:04,660 --> 01:02:11,800
from, is there a way to have that attic space be useful from a storage standpoint, or is it just

615
01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:15,160
become a, you know, just a visual.

616
01:02:15,820 --> 01:02:19,160
That's why I was just thinking of maybe there's a way to capture just a little more.

617
01:02:20,340 --> 01:02:23,200
I don't think I think of a storage space or equipment space.

618
01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:56,900
Okay.

619
01:02:57,220 --> 01:02:57,540
Thanks.

620
01:02:57,840 --> 01:02:58,780
I get it.

621
01:02:58,780 --> 01:02:59,600
That's the question.

622
01:03:02,630 --> 01:03:03,470
Other questions, John?

623
01:03:03,670 --> 01:03:03,910
You had some.

624
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:11,210
Jason, I guess, as I had taken a look at this, and it was really paths first question.

625
01:03:11,210 --> 01:03:12,850
to crystallize this for me.

626
01:03:13,130 --> 01:03:18,490
One of the problems we have is what we expect to be the quote-unquote front of the library,

627
01:03:19,210 --> 01:03:22,030
may or may not be the primary entry point.

628
01:03:23,210 --> 01:03:30,430
We can't have two front doors, but I'm wondering in terms of the internal layout, right now

629
01:03:30,430 --> 01:03:35,870
if you enter through the rear, you are right into the, looks like the YA stacks, which

630
01:03:35,870 --> 01:03:38,950
there's not the optimal way to come into the building.

631
01:03:40,110 --> 01:03:41,650
And I don't have a solution for that.

632
01:03:41,950 --> 01:03:44,670
I just, it may not be a solution

633
01:03:44,670 --> 01:03:46,110
because we can't have two front doors.

634
01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:48,090
Well, I suppose you could flip the stack.

635
01:03:49,390 --> 01:03:52,510
If it was something more, for then to the library staff

636
01:03:52,510 --> 01:03:54,950
to have looked at that pretty carefully as soon

637
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:59,730
and realize the travel spot traveled between the door

638
01:03:59,730 --> 01:04:04,130
and the circulation desk from various entrances, is that correct?

639
01:04:04,130 --> 01:04:08,610
Yeah, and we have looked at that as it's shown here right now

640
01:04:08,610 --> 01:04:15,770
There's a table in the middle there, so you can walk through it. We can still address FF and E issues, but

641
01:04:15,770 --> 01:04:22,370
I think there's flexibility here like if we want to flip the YA stacks and and move some of those couches that are right there

642
01:04:23,010 --> 01:04:26,590
To that that back door, so it feels like more of an entryway

643
01:04:27,090 --> 01:04:33,670
I think we have that flexibility even after it's built. I think they're we can do a second observation is at least

644
01:04:33,670 --> 01:04:41,790
to my eye, the design of the front, the Magnolia Road facing side, is nicer than the back,

645
01:04:42,590 --> 01:04:46,910
and I'm not saying they should be symmetrical, but I like what you've done on the front,

646
01:04:46,910 --> 01:04:52,590
and I'm wondering to the extent that the rear may turn out to be, will certainly be a primary entrance,

647
01:04:52,690 --> 01:04:58,070
whether it's the primary entrance or not who knows. I'm not saying it should be replicated,

648
01:04:58,510 --> 01:05:03,070
but I'm not an architect. I throw that up as a question.

649
01:05:03,070 --> 01:05:09,070
Well, you have one point in that the rear is more south facing, and what do you want the

650
01:05:09,070 --> 01:05:15,050
overhang and the shade in the south facing side to cover those patio areas in the summer

651
01:05:15,050 --> 01:05:18,750
that could get pretty warm. I don't know that people are going to be out there earlier today

652
01:05:20,130 --> 01:05:24,970
before it ran. Well, that was actually one of my main questions. Those two patios in the back.

653
01:05:25,210 --> 01:05:32,050
What's the design to use for those? I mean, those are flexible spaces. So I see, you know,

654
01:05:32,050 --> 01:05:36,310
The umbrella is out there and people being able to sit out and read a book or bring their

655
01:05:36,310 --> 01:05:42,110
lunch and enjoy the outdoor space, kind of similar to what you can do on the front side

656
01:05:42,110 --> 01:05:42,750
underneath the porch.

657
01:05:43,410 --> 01:05:51,170
So I think we have flexibility, we could add green edge to that area, or like I said, umbrellas

658
01:05:51,170 --> 01:05:51,910
and picnic tables.

659
01:05:56,150 --> 01:05:57,350
So my

660
01:06:56,460 --> 01:07:05,500
last question or point, which again, I'm not sure I even have any answer for, I was

661
01:07:05,500 --> 01:07:10,020
on the Historic Preservation Commission here in Pinehurst, when we approved the New Elementary

662
01:07:10,020 --> 01:07:10,760
School.

663
01:07:11,900 --> 01:07:18,900
And it's a terrific building, but my observation would be, it's not particularly Pinehurst.

664
01:07:18,900 --> 01:07:24,220
You could put that building in virtually any suburban area, anywhere in the country.

665
01:07:26,220 --> 01:07:29,980
And that building was sitting in now is not particularly pintor stuff.

666
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:35,360
Either, and the design that you have is much more in keeping with village hall, I would say.

667
01:07:35,980 --> 01:07:41,160
But I'm wondering if there's a way to make the exterior of this a little more pinehurst, admitting

668
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:46,820
that the existing given memorial library on the green is a brick facade and what have you.

669
01:07:47,060 --> 01:07:51,980
So I'd completely aesthetic comment, not structural comment.

670
01:07:53,980 --> 01:07:59,860
Jason, you can pitch into, but we wanted to have the same campus field as some of these

671
01:07:59,860 --> 01:08:05,260
other buildings around here. So, that's one of the things, you know, what makes it

672
01:08:05,260 --> 01:08:11,960
pinehurst more than something else is a pretty eclectic group of buildings in this

673
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:16,020
area till it's true. I think that's one of the reasons why we have the porches on there

674
01:08:16,020 --> 01:08:22,100
because I, you know, has the southern charm feel to it. Someone may ask, why not me, of course,

675
01:08:22,100 --> 01:08:32,390
is what columns aren't round it's a good question and maybe Jason can make him round

676
01:08:32,390 --> 01:08:35,070
I don't know what we should

677
01:08:37,630 --> 01:08:42,390
I like

678
01:08:47,060 --> 01:08:48,540
that I

679
01:08:56,420 --> 01:08:58,900
can almost feel do that yeah right

680
01:09:00,440 --> 01:09:04,880
that we'll put that down a set of jack is someone who would like around

681
01:09:06,460 --> 01:09:11,580
It didn't pick up on the round versus the square columns, there is a big issue, but okay.

682
01:09:11,940 --> 01:09:12,100
I'm working.

683
01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:18,760
Yeah, I'm going to go back to the rear again, the rear view there, and the padios.

684
01:09:20,940 --> 01:09:22,040
And just utilization.

685
01:09:22,460 --> 01:09:29,760
And I'm not a library expert in any means, but in our house, we don't have a patio off of our laundry room or our study.

686
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:34,340
we have patio off of a living area and a place that's utilized.

687
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:37,640
Right now we've got in the

688
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:41,840
back there as you have a patio behind a, basically on the left side as we're looking at

689
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:46,080
this right now and that's a break room. And then the other side you have a, it looks like

690
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:52,660
storages, mechanical rooms, things like that. Seems to me if you want to utilize a patio and

691
01:09:52,660 --> 01:09:56,000
have it there, I'm not sure if there's a different way of utilizing that space and making

692
01:09:56,000 --> 01:10:01,680
kind of bigger windows we've talked about before, but use it as a patio. You have a program

693
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,980
room that's on the right side on the other side of the storage rooms and stuff like that.

694
01:10:05,980 --> 01:10:09,600
I don't know if there's a possibility of moving that to the area where a patio can be used

695
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:17,120
more as a patio and understand these comments are coming from someone who knows nothing about

696
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:22,080
a library. I'm just looking at utilization of it. What I don't want to have is build a couple

697
01:10:22,080 --> 01:10:25,960
and then we throw some bushes on there and it's never used or anything like that.

698
01:10:26,300 --> 01:10:31,060
You know, the purpose of all this is doing something that's going to be used by folks on there.

699
01:10:31,300 --> 01:10:32,500
So I throw that as a thought.

700
01:10:33,460 --> 01:10:38,380
Could you go back to the rear view again?

701
01:10:40,660 --> 01:10:45,940
Would it be architecturally odd instead of having those three square windows?

702
01:10:46,860 --> 01:10:51,600
Because you informed us of one of the reasons for that is because of what's going on behind it.

703
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:58,030
if you had a sort of two along Windows back there.

704
01:10:59,460 --> 01:11:02,760
Just I don't know what it, I don't know if it's functional or what it looks like.

705
01:11:03,460 --> 01:11:12,000
There's something about those three Windows that make it look less like it's less inviting, I guess, is the phrase.

706
01:11:12,300 --> 01:11:14,450
But I think picking up on Jeff's point.

707
01:11:16,100 --> 01:11:21,100
On HPC one of the things we try to do is not be the design experts because that's what they do, not what we do.

708
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:28,800
But to your point, if that program room, a butted or it was adjacent to, you might even be able

709
01:11:28,800 --> 01:11:33,060
to throw the doors open and have you as an extension of that.

710
01:11:33,060 --> 01:11:34,200
I don't like that idea.

711
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:37,200
And if you got kids in there that are doing a program or whatever, and that's like, hey,

712
01:11:37,220 --> 01:11:40,860
it's a beautiful day, let's open the doors and go outside and come back in, that kind

713
01:11:40,860 --> 01:11:41,060
of thing.

714
01:11:41,920 --> 01:11:50,120
Again, you could spill out there, particularly if that were to be covered more similarly to

715
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:53,340
the front so that you didn't have the sun beating in there.

716
01:11:53,980 --> 01:11:59,560
And I say this in difference to Audrey and other folks out there that just just thoughts.

717
01:12:00,420 --> 01:12:02,920
I welcome many of your opinions on there.

718
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:08,200
I kind of like the idea of maybe flipping that to the program room can open up right to

719
01:12:08,200 --> 01:12:08,680
the patio.

720
01:12:09,340 --> 01:12:17,900
If we can't do it right here, maybe an alternative would be to have a walkway from the exit point

721
01:12:17,900 --> 01:12:23,000
of the right and or even maybe extend the patio a little bit

722
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:25,720
over that way too to just kind of connect them and give it some.

723
01:12:25,720 --> 01:12:29,220
Getting that none of us are our protection. That was the time to be throwing these ideas out.

724
01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:30,440
And we'll see what works.

725
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:34,060
And I like the front. The front you have the covered areas there for the

726
01:12:34,060 --> 01:12:36,640
patio is plus it's also coming out of a meeting room.

727
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:41,240
That's on there and looks like a work room in there.

728
01:12:41,380 --> 01:12:45,840
Which again, I could see that being appropriately used as a patio area.

729
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:47,600
Right.

730
01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:52,820
There's not really an opportunity to do it on the other side, the wizard who accomplished

731
01:12:52,820 --> 01:12:53,800
that same thing.

732
01:12:54,180 --> 01:12:54,720
That's all real.

733
01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:54,960
That's all real.

734
01:12:55,140 --> 01:12:55,960
That works based on that side.

735
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:57,780
That's the staff.

736
01:12:57,780 --> 01:12:59,720
We've got to play out again.

737
01:13:06,270 --> 01:13:11,370
We've got to study rooms that are put in there.

738
01:13:11,470 --> 01:13:11,650
Yeah.

739
01:13:12,630 --> 01:13:13,830
You need to.

740
01:13:14,070 --> 01:13:14,210
Yeah.

741
01:13:14,210 --> 01:13:14,750
Down at the bottom.

742
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:15,470
Yeah.

743
01:13:15,470 --> 01:13:16,230
at the back side.

744
01:13:16,430 --> 01:13:16,990
Book lower.

745
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:17,530
Yeah.

746
01:13:17,530 --> 01:13:19,490
So you have study rooms for three rooms at the top.

747
01:13:20,170 --> 01:13:20,290
Okay.

748
01:13:20,290 --> 01:13:20,630
Thank you.

749
01:13:20,650 --> 01:13:24,150
Then you have, uh, look, study stuff in and break room.

750
01:13:24,650 --> 01:13:28,530
Now, if you could leave the study rooms there, move the, the break room, or not to excuse

751
01:13:28,530 --> 01:13:35,690
me that the presentation program room into that zone and have the, the stuff on the,

752
01:13:35,690 --> 01:13:41,350
the left lower component and put that over by side, storage, you know, IT and make that just

753
01:13:41,350 --> 01:13:47,690
more of a staff and functionality space on there that seems to make more sense.

754
01:13:47,990 --> 01:13:53,610
But the utility stuff off, more toward the interior and that's from the window.

755
01:13:54,050 --> 01:13:57,850
Programming spaces is enough along that back wall if possible.

756
01:13:58,070 --> 01:14:01,370
I'm both sides so that you can have that same walkout.

757
01:14:01,670 --> 01:14:05,510
And if you can do that for both of them that'd be great, where you actually move in the program

758
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:11,050
room down and move the storage IT up, and then is there something else we can do when

759
01:14:11,050 --> 01:14:15,630
have staff space, so it's not the patio, but they have a customer space.

760
01:14:17,660 --> 01:14:18,120
Okay.

761
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:34,080
Okay.

762
01:14:36,860 --> 01:14:40,500
All right. Thank you, Barbara, did you have anything you want to say?

763
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:47,860
The only thing I would say is that my first impression is that it is a very contemporary

764
01:14:47,860 --> 01:14:59,040
square building. And what's not pinehursty about it is that it is a square contemporary

765
01:14:59,040 --> 01:14:59,500
building.

766
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:21,780
And so, if there are things that we can do to make it look a little less institutional, like classical, maybe, traditional, I think your ground columns are a grand idea. I also wonder, and I don't know, I'm another non-professional opinion here.

767
01:15:21,780 --> 01:15:28,080
Other ways to add arches, maybe around the columns or around the windows,

768
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:33,880
I don't know, to soften it to some extent.

769
01:15:34,420 --> 01:15:41,220
I think your point about changing the elevation in the rear will be critical to change it.

770
01:15:41,220 --> 01:15:48,960
It's almost, it's so institutional that it, with the fence around it, it kind looks like a prison.

771
01:15:50,600 --> 01:15:54,380
And not may just be the artist, I know,

772
01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:58,920
an architectural depiction of the fence,

773
01:15:59,780 --> 01:16:02,520
so maybe something that is a little more decorative

774
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:04,140
and less threatening.

775
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,060
We could add some barbed wire on top,

776
01:16:06,100 --> 01:16:06,820
maybe that'll help.

777
01:16:07,100 --> 01:16:08,060
I'm sorry.

778
01:16:08,200 --> 01:16:08,700
I'm sorry.

779
01:16:08,700 --> 01:16:09,060
I'm sorry.

780
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:11,080
Keep those kids in.

781
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:12,580
That's the final answer.

782
01:16:14,600 --> 01:16:16,640
Well, I hope that these citizens

783
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:18,600
It's going to ford all our design changes.

784
01:16:21,420 --> 01:16:23,680
It's giving you authority to the village managers.

785
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:25,260
So we can keep it under a threshold.

786
01:16:25,440 --> 01:16:26,480
$1,000 at a time.

787
01:16:28,420 --> 01:16:30,400
I did have, sorry.

788
01:16:31,340 --> 01:16:33,100
Jason, I did want to say one thing.

789
01:16:33,200 --> 01:16:35,140
And that is the program room.

790
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:40,820
It has to be able to get dark and I mean really dark in there for certain types of

791
01:16:40,820 --> 01:16:41,780
programs as well.

792
01:16:41,780 --> 01:16:50,400
I'm not saying I don't want more light but there needs to be room-darkening shades or something like that as well if we're going to open out to the patio, et cetera.

793
01:16:50,860 --> 01:16:59,280
That's one of the reasons why it's facing where there isn't a great amount of light coming in, where you would be looking.

794
01:16:59,620 --> 01:17:06,760
If there were windows right above here where we're looking at you now, it would be difficult to sharpen the image and see it clearly and things like that.

795
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:10,340
and so we want to show a movie or something to the children.

796
01:17:11,020 --> 01:17:12,840
You know, that's just something to consider

797
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:17,020
that the room should be able to get dark, if necessary.

798
01:17:44,150 --> 01:17:46,790
Jason, I think we got a lot of,

799
01:17:46,790 --> 01:17:50,390
I'll offer you to consider and we'll be in touch, so thank you.

800
01:17:50,710 --> 01:17:51,470
Yes, thank you, Jason.

801
01:17:51,630 --> 01:17:54,510
We'll look forward to round two.

802
01:17:54,690 --> 01:17:55,710
Hopefully next month.

803
01:17:56,590 --> 01:17:57,050
Keep it moving.

804
01:18:00,440 --> 01:18:01,400
Thanks for the good work.

805
01:18:01,640 --> 01:18:02,360
Thank you.

806
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:03,560
I

807
01:18:06,440 --> 01:18:14,780
might just add that the additional 3D was useful as a general comment for around two

808
01:18:14,780 --> 01:18:15,340
moors.

809
01:18:16,020 --> 01:18:16,160
Yep.

810
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:23,800
Even that way, he shared now maybe I can copy that and put it on our website for public

811
01:18:23,800 --> 01:18:24,180
to see.

812
01:18:30,650 --> 01:18:31,590
All right.

813
01:18:31,810 --> 01:18:32,470
That was a productive.

814
01:18:34,430 --> 01:18:40,450
We will go on now to seven B, which is a report from Council members on the NC DOT

815
01:18:40,450 --> 01:18:47,410
listening sessions for the proposed continuous flow intersection replacement of the

816
01:18:47,410 --> 01:18:49,030
Pinehurst Traffic Circle.

817
01:18:51,070 --> 01:18:56,110
I think we all, as we referenced earlier, we had all attended one

818
01:18:56,110 --> 01:19:01,450
or two. I saw some of my colleagues in two of the meetings with me, so we certainly had

819
01:19:04,430 --> 01:19:08,030
It's a good representation at these meetings.

820
01:19:09,250 --> 01:19:10,870
I guess I'll kick things off.

821
01:19:11,290 --> 01:19:13,430
A few comments about it.

822
01:19:13,550 --> 01:19:17,410
I found that some of the folks who showed up,

823
01:19:17,490 --> 01:19:19,550
and there was a very large amount,

824
01:19:19,550 --> 01:19:21,130
particularly at the Pioneer Elementary School,

825
01:19:22,810 --> 01:19:26,170
it seemed like more of an open house,

826
01:19:26,190 --> 01:19:28,050
rather than I think what they were anticipating,

827
01:19:28,050 --> 01:19:43,250
which was a real presentation to the mall from the DOT folks, but they went around and met with the various settings of engineers and had their comment and input.

828
01:19:45,370 --> 01:19:59,140
I think that the many of the questions that the residents or the attendees raised were the ones that we've all either discussed or been in the paper.

829
01:19:59,140 --> 01:20:07,360
the the issue of the eminent domain, the midland road, alter alteration and the issue of the

830
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:14,180
trees. I must have spoke with about a hundred people at that first meeting. Half of the

831
01:20:14,180 --> 01:20:23,720
my new half of them I didn't. And not a single person said to me or pulled me aside that this

832
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:32,020
what we need to do that you really should do this. They all had reservations for one or all three

833
01:20:32,020 --> 01:20:40,720
of those reasons, but wanted us to make improvements to it to the circle. And certainly felt

834
01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:46,380
particularly about some of their neighbors or people they know whose homes were sort of in the line

835
01:20:46,380 --> 01:20:47,140
of fire.

836
01:20:50,460 --> 01:20:54,780
I had engaged with the conversation with, I'm going to say, a half a dozen of the

837
01:20:54,780 --> 01:21:03,140
engineers. And they all were engaging. They were willing to discuss things.

838
01:21:05,740 --> 01:21:07,060
Nothing I heard

839
01:21:07,060 --> 01:21:11,200
altered my opinion of the shift of pillow.

840
01:21:12,580 --> 01:21:14,560
I don't believe it's a good fit for Pinerist.

841
01:21:17,140 --> 01:21:22,060
And our next meeting in August,

842
01:21:23,500 --> 01:21:27,920
I intend to propose a formal resolution for us to go on

843
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:33,080
record formally regarding the proposal from NCDOT

844
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:42,060
and that we can then send forward to, in CDOT and other parties that follow this.

845
01:21:43,640 --> 01:21:49,620
We heard earlier from Mr. Gettison, the citizen involvement is remarkable.

846
01:21:53,140 --> 01:21:59,760
I have not seen an issue that has united our community.

847
01:22:00,420 --> 01:22:07,000
I've seen issues that divide our community, but I had not seen one like this that so unites our community.

848
01:22:08,980 --> 01:22:17,320
For various reasons, the attachment to the circle or their personal impact regarding their lives and so on.

849
01:22:17,860 --> 01:22:25,740
But I also have not found anybody who doesn't say there's got to be some improvements that we can make to help with this traffic flow.

850
01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:29,600
And so I think that's something else we'll need to address.

851
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:42,400
And one of the questions that I got that I really couldn't answer to, well, was if this is such an urgent problem, why are they going to wait eight years to finish it?

852
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:54,380
And I explained to when they prefer to do construction work between opens and all, but that was not convincing to a lot of people who said, oh, come on.

853
01:22:54,380 --> 01:22:55,980
You can make some changes before then.

854
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:01,800
We're going to wait eight years, even if they did this, and the other comment was one of

855
01:23:02,340 --> 01:23:07,680
what happens to the traffic flow when there's the two and a half year construction project

856
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,880
going on right there.

857
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:11,760
How are we supposed to navigate then?

858
01:23:11,980 --> 01:23:16,920
I said, I said engineers have the solutions to these things.

859
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,100
So we'll see what would happen in the event that this went forward.

860
01:23:22,500 --> 01:23:34,420
At any rate, those are my general observations, and I'll turn it over to the Mayor Pro Tempher if he has some thoughts, and we'll keep going around the table.

861
01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:44,760
I happen to have had, well, it's number one, the presentation that we also saw as elected officials from 3 to 5.

862
01:23:45,480 --> 01:23:50,780
I didn't find informative because I'd already seen it at SMPO, but I thought it was a very

863
01:23:50,780 --> 01:23:56,960
good presentation and Craig Sheffler, who made a point when I could see him, which was in

864
01:23:56,960 --> 01:24:01,860
Carthage the next night of saying that I thought he had done his good job as he could have

865
01:24:01,860 --> 01:24:02,180
done.

866
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:05,080
I think the public would have benefited from that.

867
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:12,300
I understand why they say they don't do it that way, but unfortunately when you have

868
01:24:12,300 --> 01:24:17,800
as many people as, as showed up, trying to get them to be able to engage with an engineer

869
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:23,600
was virtually impossible and you'd have clutches of eight or 10 or 12 people all trying

870
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:27,660
to put, but, but, and trying to get their questions in, and I really don't know how effective

871
01:24:27,660 --> 01:24:28,540
that was.

872
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:34,080
Then you had the people who just gave up, so I'm, I'm, I've been row 14 here and I can't

873
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:39,220
get my question answered, and to past point, many of them were seeking me out, well, what

874
01:24:39,220 --> 01:24:40,080
do you know about this?

875
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:41,740
What do you think about this?

876
01:24:42,340 --> 01:24:45,800
And as it happens, because attending the SMPL,

877
01:24:45,900 --> 01:24:49,020
I think I could bring certainly some facts to bear

878
01:24:49,020 --> 01:24:50,040
and what have you.

879
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:55,380
I agree, Pat, that we need to go on record.

880
01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,540
I think the public expects us to take it.

881
01:24:57,540 --> 01:24:58,740
I don't propose we do it tonight.

882
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:01,420
I think we may need to do some drafting and wordsmithing,

883
01:25:01,420 --> 01:25:02,860
but I think we need to be on record.

884
01:25:03,740 --> 01:25:07,640
I think we need, and certainly in talking with the engineers,

885
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:13,880
There are seven other proposals that a prior council made that have not been acted upon,

886
01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:18,480
maybe they're not all worth acting upon, but that's at least that's one starting point.

887
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:23,680
Second starting point, you know, as I think I've said when we discussed this previously,

888
01:25:23,980 --> 01:25:28,800
the DOT doesn't give you a menu. They have engineers, they study a problem,

889
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:34,200
and they say this is what we believe is the best solution. I don't think it's incumbent on us

890
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:38,560
come up with an entirely new design. We are not traffic engineers. I don't think we would

891
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:44,060
be taken credibly at that. But I do think we want to encourage them to what would

892
01:25:44,060 --> 01:25:50,380
plan be if not this what next? And all of this is against the backdrop as one of our

893
01:25:50,380 --> 01:25:56,560
public speakers said of we're going against why do they have eight years to finish because

894
01:25:56,560 --> 01:26:03,580
from now to 2029 the projected increase in traffic according to the DOT numbers is 8.7%.

895
01:26:03,580 --> 01:26:08,580
It's kind of nothing, you could ignore that, where the rubber meets the road is when you take

896
01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:12,180
an assumed growth rate, and I don't care if it's one and a half percent or whatever,

897
01:26:12,660 --> 01:26:14,720
and you compound that out 25 years.

898
01:26:14,920 --> 01:26:19,140
Now you get a really big number, and that's where the potential bite could be.

899
01:26:19,460 --> 01:26:27,180
What I would say just anecdotally at, 12, 16 this afternoon, I was coming north on US-15501.

900
01:26:27,580 --> 01:26:32,980
I came to almost the stop exactly where the big green sign is, which is the first

901
01:26:32,980 --> 01:26:39,340
real, right? So that's a pretty long way. It's 45 or 50 cars away. I would estimate from

902
01:26:39,340 --> 01:26:45,420
the actual traffic circle. It took me three minutes and 48 seconds to get into the traffic circle.

903
01:26:47,880 --> 01:26:55,420
Yeah, I don't accept them. So in any event, I thought the people who came to Carthage

904
01:26:55,420 --> 01:26:59,880
got more information because it was not as well attended and they could interact with people.

905
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,460
And I've passed it along, okay.

906
01:27:04,200 --> 01:27:04,920
So Dr. Morgan.

907
01:27:06,100 --> 01:27:09,240
Yeah, I mentioned in the initial reports,

908
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,800
just a way to go to our citizens.

909
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,300
You got us to see it back at the table.

910
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:18,900
Because you've got to ask your question,

911
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:21,360
we all have to ask the question is,

912
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,380
how come this was rolled out the way it was?

913
01:27:24,660 --> 01:27:27,240
How come in CDOT just said he were putting in the CFI?

914
01:27:29,340 --> 01:27:33,760
Well, a couple of years ago, they came up to us and they asked, hey, what are your recommendations?

915
01:27:34,940 --> 01:27:36,660
We were late and get the recommendations to them.

916
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,880
We provided some, a few of them to them.

917
01:27:40,140 --> 01:27:41,280
They adopted two.

918
01:27:41,460 --> 01:27:42,780
They have not adopted the others.

919
01:27:43,340 --> 01:27:45,000
And I did ask the question engineers why not.

920
01:27:46,180 --> 01:27:48,160
And the answer was they didn't feel it would help out.

921
01:27:48,340 --> 01:27:48,980
That was on there.

922
01:27:49,140 --> 01:27:50,560
So they did adopt a couple of them.

923
01:27:51,660 --> 01:27:54,840
But in the presentations, and I'm not sure who heard what.

924
01:27:54,840 --> 01:28:02,420
They were also labeled one on my OECMU all heard this band-aid type of solutions on there.

925
01:28:02,980 --> 01:28:06,500
And they're looking for a solution to the traffic that's going on in the traffic circle.

926
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,800
We can argue about the data, we can argue about the plans, all that kind of stuff.

927
01:28:13,100 --> 01:28:21,040
But there was a frustration that I perceived from NCDOT on how the council responded then previously.

928
01:28:22,700 --> 01:28:28,460
And they're trying to come to the table, and as far as I'm concerned, if you look at

929
01:28:28,460 --> 01:28:31,860
how this rolled out, we lost our seat at the table.

930
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:35,200
Well, how do you avoid that?

931
01:28:35,400 --> 01:28:36,260
You talk to people.

932
01:28:37,420 --> 01:28:40,080
You try to understand what their problems are, try to understand that problems are going

933
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:41,160
to go straight stuff out.

934
01:28:42,300 --> 01:28:42,700
So

935
01:28:44,980 --> 01:28:49,840
we lost that, and as this thing has come out and I've talked to some of the engineers,

936
01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:58,340
like you won't have talked to them, my big hurrah, the citizens of pinders in my opinion got us

937
01:28:58,340 --> 01:29:03,320
to see back at the table. I don't want to squander it. I don't think your resolution is

938
01:29:03,320 --> 01:29:08,640
enough. I want to make sure that we are continuing to talk with them and try to negotiate things

939
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:14,600
out. Nine days ago I put out an email to the rest of the council proposing that we had a scheduled

940
01:29:14,600 --> 01:29:19,660
events which are Vulcan and CDOT. We have set people that are doing it, that will well-presinitatives

941
01:29:19,660 --> 01:29:24,680
coming from the resort as well as the hospital, where major stakeholders in this, and then

942
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:29,160
we continue to talk. Now, do I expect to prove a solution that we're going to be had with

943
01:29:29,160 --> 01:29:36,460
absentant? About the idea that was proposed here of change, don't destroy? I can run with that.

944
01:29:37,400 --> 01:29:43,820
Okay? But we have entities here that are recognizing a significant problem in CDOT.

945
01:29:44,600 --> 01:29:49,500
And we're one of the road starts with U.S. 15501.

946
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,400
That doesn't mean pinders don'ts it.

947
01:29:53,260 --> 01:29:56,000
So let's recognize the situation for what it is.

948
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,980
Let's be a council that's trying to represent the people.

949
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,840
We'll hear in flight for what they want, but we need to do that by having a seat at the table.

950
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:12,660
So I want to make sure the five of us here's what's going on, but also work with NCDOT as colleagues.

951
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:14,220
Thank you.

952
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:24,940
I agree. We do need to continue to work with them and work with them more and hopefully get to a sensible

953
01:30:24,940 --> 01:30:32,760
practical solution, and I got the feeling that in talking to the engineers that they sort

954
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:39,750
of realize that the people they have been meeting with in the community who have come up

955
01:30:39,750 --> 01:30:44,030
for them are just not convinced of what they proposed.

956
01:30:44,730 --> 01:30:48,390
I talked to them and that they were very clear we need to make changes.

957
01:30:49,010 --> 01:30:53,150
And with the last line in the pilot, I don't know if you wrote that or not Matt, but the last line

958
01:30:53,150 --> 01:30:55,550
when the pilot came from Pat Milanfius on the board,

959
01:30:56,570 --> 01:30:58,010
talked about willingness to...

960
01:30:58,010 --> 01:30:59,030
He said, we're not in peace.

961
01:30:59,050 --> 01:31:00,550
Quote was we're not married to this.

962
01:31:00,550 --> 01:31:02,030
We're looking for sort of a solution.

963
01:31:02,430 --> 01:31:05,710
So that's a long cry from here you are.

964
01:31:06,010 --> 01:31:06,910
That that's exactly right.

965
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:09,130
And I attribute the success of that

966
01:31:09,130 --> 01:31:10,490
to the people of Piner's.

967
01:31:10,650 --> 01:31:11,330
Thank you for showing up.

968
01:31:13,750 --> 01:31:13,970
Jack.

969
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:20,080
Well, I just sort of, I think,

970
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:22,160
you have to think you're right

971
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:29,000
that we have to be more proactive and positive in our approach, but I'm just sort of back

972
01:31:29,000 --> 01:31:35,880
to off and try to figure out why NC DOT and the village in the form of the population

973
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:43,600
are taking the position they are and I sort of come down to most decisions that organizations

974
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:47,640
and people take are based on a cost benefit analysis.

975
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:55,480
What do they explicitly define the cost and benefits or where they're, they just sort of instinctively feel them?

976
01:31:56,060 --> 01:32:02,740
And I think NC's cost benefit analysis is focused on primarily two benefits that they've articulated,

977
01:32:03,160 --> 01:32:09,400
which is one is the potential reduction of a few minutes in wait time during the peak hours,

978
01:32:09,940 --> 01:32:14,180
that occur at least two hours a day possibly a little bit longer but five days a week.

979
01:32:14,180 --> 01:32:22,300
But they don't seem to be concerned with the delay built into a complex intersection for the other 22 hours a day.

980
01:32:22,960 --> 01:32:39,600
And there are other big benefits of reduction in crashes, but discounting, although less frequent, the almost certainty of serious crashes that occur at a complex intersection with 14 traffic lights and impatient drivers that seem to be the norm in our area.

981
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:48,740
So the NC class side seems to only, they've only reflected the possible $60 million or whatever that is going to cost.

982
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,900
That's kind of their cost benefit analysis.

983
01:32:52,800 --> 01:32:54,760
And I can see why I see where they're coming out from.

984
01:32:55,980 --> 01:32:57,840
But I think the individual is in the area.

985
01:32:58,920 --> 01:33:01,380
We have a different cost benefit equation.

986
01:33:02,640 --> 01:33:07,720
That takes into account other factors that seem to be well beyond NC's equation.

987
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:15,920
And I think we've acknowledged that NC's benefits with some skepticism, you know, that

988
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:21,000
we've acknowledged them, but we don't value them as highly as the cost of losing a fundamental

989
01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:25,820
element and an important part of our character and community of the history of the village.

990
01:33:27,300 --> 01:33:35,160
So I certainly understand that NC's roles to take a sort of myoptic view of traffic and

991
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:41,040
moving cars through intersections and so forth and safely, but I think that the

992
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:46,120
cause of benefit equation for the individuals in the community is weighted

993
01:33:46,120 --> 01:33:51,460
more toward caring about their community as a whole and what potential loss

994
01:33:51,460 --> 01:33:55,740
there is in the character. So I think that's a fundamental difference in where

995
01:33:55,740 --> 01:34:00,460
we're coming from and maybe if we understand our fundamental differences we can

996
01:34:00,460 --> 01:34:03,300
maybe work on a solution that works for both of us.

997
01:34:04,670 --> 01:34:05,570
Thanks, Jack.

998
01:34:05,730 --> 01:34:06,990
That's an important aspect to this.

999
01:34:07,870 --> 01:34:11,330
There are people involved in this, rather than just roads.

1000
01:34:14,250 --> 01:34:16,010
So, I've brought this up before.

1001
01:34:16,410 --> 01:34:25,850
It struck me again when I watched the presentation and that is very focused on today's traffic

1002
01:34:25,850 --> 01:34:33,070
patterns around the circle, and it does not seem to take into consideration for something

1003
01:34:33,070 --> 01:34:39,590
that's going in eight years from now, technological advances that will occur in transportation.

1004
01:34:40,290 --> 01:34:47,990
What we drive, how we drive, how traffic can be monitored and rerouted instantly in

1005
01:34:47,990 --> 01:34:54,830
the future, enhance GPS systems that will rerout people based on traffic patterns here

1006
01:34:54,830 --> 01:34:55,210
and there.

1007
01:34:55,210 --> 01:35:03,710
So instead, it struck me a so odd that we're looking at a map that has the circumference

1008
01:35:03,710 --> 01:35:05,330
of our traffic circle.

1009
01:35:06,350 --> 01:35:13,130
Instead of what does an orc county look like, and surrounding counties, eight years from

1010
01:35:13,130 --> 01:35:18,610
now, where are the population clusters going to be, how will they affect traffic patterns?

1011
01:35:18,610 --> 01:35:29,470
We also have on DOT's list for improvements in widening roads like Murdoxville Road, North Carolina

1012
01:35:29,470 --> 01:35:39,170
73, North Carolina 2427, North Carolina 22, all of which will affect traffic patterns.

1013
01:35:39,630 --> 01:35:46,950
And yet we are focused on today's traffic patterns at the circle and I think that is dangerous.

1014
01:35:46,950 --> 01:35:53,590
And I think in eight years, we could be implementing something that is already obsolete.

1015
01:35:55,090 --> 01:36:01,430
And at $54 plus million dollars of taxpayers' money, that makes no sense.

1016
01:36:02,110 --> 01:36:08,310
And that's not to mention the destructive impact it has on the village of Pinehurst.

1017
01:36:09,690 --> 01:36:10,410
That's a big impact.

1018
01:36:10,410 --> 01:36:11,610
I take on to that.

1019
01:36:11,690 --> 01:36:11,850
Sure.

1020
01:36:11,850 --> 01:36:17,790
I think Barbara pointing out that this is more than just what happens in that six acres.

1021
01:36:19,150 --> 01:36:27,230
As the SMPO going forward begins to develop a comprehensive transportation plan that is much beyond just pine hers,

1022
01:36:27,690 --> 01:36:32,430
I think it should be able to help inform whatever the ultimate decision is.

1023
01:36:32,550 --> 01:36:35,170
And again, that's not an excuse for doing nothing now.

1024
01:36:35,350 --> 01:36:37,810
I agree we cannot be the counsel of no.

1025
01:36:37,810 --> 01:36:55,150
We have to look at what is possible and and what I think we are mandated under federal law to have this SMPO and to have it develop a comprehensive transportation plan and to do something as significant as this without at least getting some input from that.

1026
01:36:55,150 --> 01:36:57,290
I think it's probably not good good process.

1027
01:37:00,430 --> 01:37:02,390
Other comments from anybody?

1028
01:37:02,870 --> 01:37:03,970
Just one thing I didn't mention.

1029
01:37:03,970 --> 01:37:08,190
I've got an incredible heartburn on having people lose their homes.

1030
01:37:09,250 --> 01:37:11,970
Welcome. Welcome to the club. Pass the thumbs around.

1031
01:37:16,930 --> 01:37:20,450
Okay. Well, thank you for that discussion.

1032
01:37:21,150 --> 01:37:23,470
I think as our residents probably know,

1033
01:37:25,070 --> 01:37:27,690
we as individual council members attended these meetings.

1034
01:37:28,150 --> 01:37:29,130
You weren't there alone.

1035
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:34,680
I spoke to many of you, met many of you, and we're listening.

1036
01:37:35,320 --> 01:37:39,000
The last one is going on right now at the Aberdeen Baptist Church.

1037
01:37:39,000 --> 01:37:39,620
You're correct.

1038
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:40,320
As we speak.

1039
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:54,540
And along those lines, a couple of weeks ago, we at the suggestion of, and with the very fine drafting ability of Councilman Farrell,

1040
01:37:54,540 --> 01:38:01,600
We discussed sending a letter to the National Park Service, the architectural historian there,

1041
01:38:01,660 --> 01:38:07,480
who we've worked with Ellen Rankin, and we've circulated that around among council members.

1042
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:14,000
We had a few edits, which we've adopted, Shannon has done an excellent job of incorporating

1043
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:17,320
all our little knick-knacks, we appreciate that.

1044
01:38:17,320 --> 01:38:26,920
And so I am prepared to sign that, we'll send it on, and we're copying the governor,

1045
01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:32,580
our congressmen because it deals with the National Park Service, the Secretary of Transportation,

1046
01:38:33,440 --> 01:38:38,220
the North Carolina State Historic Preservation Office, the more county historical association,

1047
01:38:39,300 --> 01:38:41,500
and of course the council members themselves.

1048
01:38:41,500 --> 01:38:49,620
So, I will, we'll put that in the mail probably tomorrow, and we can send an electronic copy around to everybody, the final version.

1049
01:38:51,380 --> 01:38:54,840
And, let me think about, pay a post to you on the website also.

1050
01:38:55,640 --> 01:38:57,140
So, take care of that.

1051
01:38:57,540 --> 01:38:58,380
Thank you.

1052
01:38:58,520 --> 01:39:04,060
And now, we will go to item C, website review.

1053
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:06,760
Kristen.

1054
01:39:07,960 --> 01:39:08,640
This is our.

1055
01:39:14,150 --> 01:39:17,690
Now we get to talk about different traffic patterns.

1056
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:21,700
Thank you for the last.

1057
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:23,400
That was very good.

1058
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:24,620
I caught it.

1059
01:39:24,780 --> 01:39:25,520
We all got it.

1060
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:26,560
You got it first.

1061
01:39:26,900 --> 01:39:27,420
Good evening.

1062
01:39:27,980 --> 01:39:29,800
Mayor, council, and Mr. Samborn.

1063
01:39:30,100 --> 01:39:32,920
Thank you for having me tonight to talk about our website.

1064
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:39,220
I was asked by Mayor earlier this summer to give some brief highlights on some analytics.

1065
01:39:40,560 --> 01:39:47,940
some trends that we see coming forth and other platforms that maybe we'd be interested in.

1066
01:39:52,650 --> 01:39:58,770
So every time I deal with a website or social media, I want to remind myself and everyone

1067
01:39:58,770 --> 01:40:04,990
that has a piece of the every touch point on our website or social media site has an impact,

1068
01:40:05,070 --> 01:40:11,690
whether that's a good first impression or it might be the only touch point we have with

1069
01:40:11,690 --> 01:40:17,470
resident. They may never step foot in town hall, we may never see them at a vet, but they may visit our website.

1070
01:40:19,150 --> 01:40:21,810
So tonight we're going to look at the history of our website.

1071
01:40:22,450 --> 01:40:28,850
And we're going to do a little virtual tour analytics and trends to see what the data says.

1072
01:40:28,970 --> 01:40:32,530
We're going to take a look at some of the external platforms that we use.

1073
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:36,850
We're going to talk about the maintenance of the website, what goes into it,

1074
01:40:36,850 --> 01:40:39,710
and then the future, where the website is headed.

1075
01:40:40,050 --> 01:40:41,690
Then I'll be glad to answer any questions.

1076
01:40:43,230 --> 01:40:47,230
So there's this fun website called the Wayback Machine,

1077
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:52,010
everything that you put on the internet stays on the internet.

1078
01:40:52,070 --> 01:40:53,810
That's a good reminder for all of us.

1079
01:40:54,090 --> 01:40:58,050
But I went back and pulled up the 2013 version of our website.

1080
01:40:58,270 --> 01:41:01,510
I wanted to show you kind of the history and the evolution

1081
01:41:02,270 --> 01:41:05,050
of the trends and where we are now.

1082
01:41:05,050 --> 01:41:11,650
So, the 2000 version, you'll see silo tabs across the top, residents, visitors, business

1083
01:41:11,650 --> 01:41:12,350
government.

1084
01:41:13,390 --> 01:41:15,370
That means something a little different to everyone.

1085
01:41:15,490 --> 01:41:21,190
That was the trend back in 2013, every government agency had those siloves.

1086
01:41:21,550 --> 01:41:26,750
That's one of the challenges to government websites is we're all too siloed.

1087
01:41:27,150 --> 01:41:29,030
There was a focus on branding.

1088
01:41:29,410 --> 01:41:34,550
Of course, we won our brand front and center, but the grand scheme of things is that

1089
01:41:35,230 --> 01:41:38,650
appropriate for somebody that's coming to our website to look for information.

1090
01:41:39,090 --> 01:41:41,030
At the time in 2013 it was.

1091
01:41:41,170 --> 01:41:46,490
We wanted our logo and our tagline right where you could see them.

1092
01:41:46,690 --> 01:41:48,250
Search bars in the top right.

1093
01:41:49,030 --> 01:41:52,490
That's had a couple different iterations and we'll go through that.

1094
01:41:52,670 --> 01:41:53,710
It's image light.

1095
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:57,650
There used to be an image in this center tab that's blank.

1096
01:41:58,750 --> 01:42:03,750
The way that machine did not capture that image because it takes a lot of space and they have

1097
01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:07,030
millions of websites that they keep track of.

1098
01:42:07,610 --> 01:42:11,010
I do want to point out this innovative,

1099
01:42:11,710 --> 01:42:13,870
how do I tab Dropbox?

1100
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:15,210
I don't know if you can see it.

1101
01:42:15,610 --> 01:42:20,370
But that's kind of what I would call a precursor to AI.

1102
01:42:20,970 --> 01:42:25,070
That was very innovative for 2013 in government

1103
01:42:25,070 --> 01:42:27,590
to have how do I, with a drop down.

1104
01:42:27,710 --> 01:42:31,350
Unfortunately, I can't access it to see what the options were.

1105
01:42:31,350 --> 01:42:39,710
But that was just a testament to our IT department and the management at the time that decided we need a how do I drop down.

1106
01:42:42,740 --> 01:42:50,780
So we'll also look at, just to give you a comparison, this was 2013, this was the town of Davidson's webpage.

1107
01:42:50,860 --> 01:42:59,960
You can see they were brand front and center, college town, late town, your town, and everything is divided into these tabs.

1108
01:42:59,960 --> 01:43:06,540
One thing to mention about these tabs is that you have to click on them, and then it brings up a new page.

1109
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:11,900
We'll talk about the hover, the invention of the hover's on our website shortly.

1110
01:43:16,040 --> 01:43:16,480
Of course,

1111
01:43:20,820 --> 01:43:21,540
now it's going to skip.

1112
01:43:21,900 --> 01:43:23,640
Oh, now I ruined that.

1113
01:43:23,900 --> 01:43:24,240
Surprise.

1114
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:27,400
All right.

1115
01:43:27,400 --> 01:43:33,120
So 2018, we did have a lot of iterations for our website between 2013 and 2018,

1116
01:43:33,360 --> 01:43:34,940
but they were very minimal.

1117
01:43:34,940 --> 01:43:39,720
and I wanted to skip ahead when we had large changes.

1118
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:43,180
So you'll notice that innovative alert banners at the top,

1119
01:43:43,300 --> 01:43:46,540
I believe it says something about, in 2018,

1120
01:43:47,180 --> 01:43:52,620
splitting up the pinehurst historic downtown areas.

1121
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:53,660
I believe that's what it was.

1122
01:43:54,040 --> 01:43:55,740
So it's a good place to put hot topics.

1123
01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,720
We still used it during COVID, so it's a nice alert banner

1124
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:01,420
that catches your attention right when you come to the website.

1125
01:44:01,420 --> 01:44:11,260
hero images were introduced so instead of this light imagery which also our websites couldn't handle just because of the bandwidth.

1126
01:44:11,860 --> 01:44:21,580
Now we've moved to hero images which catch your eye subtle branding is introduced. You'll see the pine cone is kind of the watermark in the background.

1127
01:44:21,660 --> 01:44:27,840
We've moved the tagline to the bottom. That's not what people come to our website for.

1128
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:34,800
The search bar moves in 2018 front and center, because when everyone opens their computer to go to Google,

1129
01:44:35,260 --> 01:44:42,760
or to go look at something, they open up the search bar in 2018, and it was very popular to have your top searches,

1130
01:44:44,260 --> 01:44:51,880
on the left hand screen, you'll see that, and you'll also see the top searches underneath the search bar.

1131
01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:59,780
Typically across the government spectrum, the top searches are always going to be joined our team.

1132
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:10,040
Events, meetings and news. You'll notice that the headers become more active versus passive

1133
01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:19,840
departmental silos, our government, our community doing business, not just business. Connect with us, and I want to.

1134
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:23,300
and the integration of our social media icons.

1135
01:45:25,120 --> 01:45:28,260
The 2019 version did make a little bit of a switch.

1136
01:45:29,080 --> 01:45:30,720
We header becomes top searches.

1137
01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:34,680
We decided using dead data and analytics

1138
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:38,220
that searches on government websites typically

1139
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:40,860
in the past have not worked well

1140
01:45:40,860 --> 01:45:43,260
only because there is so much information

1141
01:45:43,260 --> 01:45:45,200
that is housed on our websites.

1142
01:45:46,100 --> 01:45:48,100
So the search bar goes up to the top right.

1143
01:45:48,100 --> 01:45:55,400
Your image becomes a carousel highlight of news, so it scrolls just like our current website does now.

1144
01:45:56,040 --> 01:45:59,240
And we remove departments as a way to filter information.

1145
01:46:00,360 --> 01:46:06,640
We found that I know that buildings and grounds is in the Parks and Recs department,

1146
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:08,280
because I just know that.

1147
01:46:08,440 --> 01:46:09,060
I've learned it.

1148
01:46:09,420 --> 01:46:13,820
But as a resident, I might think that that naturally falls in public services, for instance.

1149
01:46:13,820 --> 01:46:19,040
So we found that that wasn't a good way to direct folks on their path to information.

1150
01:46:22,340 --> 01:46:23,380
That's it.

1151
01:46:24,120 --> 01:46:24,660
Any questions?

1152
01:46:25,560 --> 01:46:26,280
That was impressive.

1153
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:30,120
I don't know what happened there.

1154
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:32,480
All right, current website.

1155
01:46:32,740 --> 01:46:35,920
So the header continues in the top searches.

1156
01:46:36,180 --> 01:46:39,140
You'll see the very, very top jobs.

1157
01:46:39,140 --> 01:46:42,140
Solid waste schedule, my VOP, and live stream.

1158
01:46:42,140 --> 01:46:46,320
And there's also a moving to Pinehurst tab that we're actually going to transition to the

1159
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:47,740
SMPO tab.

1160
01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:56,100
We found, find that not a lot of people are clicking the move to Pinehurst tab and SMPO that

1161
01:46:56,100 --> 01:46:58,700
would be a good placeholder for it.

1162
01:46:58,860 --> 01:47:00,500
Search bar remains in the top right.

1163
01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:07,380
Care cell images continue and then we added what I call cards, you'll see below, join our

1164
01:47:07,380 --> 01:47:12,120
team, event venues, etc., people don't like to

1165
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:18,200
have to click too many times to get the information that they would like.

1166
01:47:19,340 --> 01:47:24,800
So if we can put the most common things in the easiest places, that's the best.

1167
01:47:25,800 --> 01:47:27,800
So real quick, we will go to our website.

1168
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:32,200
And I talked about the hovering.

1169
01:47:32,980 --> 01:47:36,220
So when you go to our government, it used to be that you click that,

1170
01:47:36,280 --> 01:47:38,580
and then all the stuff populated on a page.

1171
01:47:38,580 --> 01:47:45,480
But now we have this hover, hover, hover that's been in technology for a while, but talking

1172
01:47:45,480 --> 01:47:53,380
about traffic patterns and pathways when we get to the analytics, we'll talk more about

1173
01:47:53,380 --> 01:47:54,100
it.

1174
01:47:54,540 --> 01:48:03,140
But there's at least four different roads or avenues someone can get to go to the SOP, for instance,

1175
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:07,660
our standard operating procedure, and it's interesting when you're sitting with colleagues

1176
01:48:07,660 --> 01:48:12,100
that work, and you're like, hey, bring up the SOP real quick, everybody goes a different way.

1177
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:15,620
So everybody's intuitive nature goes a different way.

1178
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:23,340
I go our government, and then I go to strategic operating plan, underneath the mayor and

1179
01:48:23,340 --> 01:48:24,100
village council.

1180
01:48:25,880 --> 01:48:32,280
But a lot of my colleagues go, I want to view state of the bill or strategic operating plan.

1181
01:48:32,620 --> 01:48:37,440
So I want us to keep this in mind when we're looking at the analytics, because it's going

1182
01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:43,080
to be a little skewed, the bottom pages, especially.

1183
01:48:44,420 --> 01:48:48,660
You'll see, I want to point this one out, buy surplus property.

1184
01:48:49,320 --> 01:48:54,300
So someone wants to come in our website, they want to buy surplus property.

1185
01:48:55,540 --> 01:49:02,960
I would go to doing business, because that's how I view that as a transactional visit.

1186
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:08,840
But you can also get to it from multiple angles, or multiple places.

1187
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:16,460
There are any questions about Mac, we could virtually cert, we could virtually tour the website all day.

1188
01:49:16,940 --> 01:49:21,680
Is there anything specific on the website that anybody wants to see?

1189
01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:26,880
No, I'd like you to click on back to our government.

1190
01:49:28,020 --> 01:49:34,660
And you, you, it's where do you stumble across state of the village somewhere?

1191
01:49:36,320 --> 01:49:37,460
I'd like you to click that on.

1192
01:49:37,580 --> 01:49:42,000
Where, where are you? Are you under mayor?

1193
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:47,320
I mean, I saw you. I saw you over over it, so I don't know where it went.

1194
01:49:47,500 --> 01:49:49,980
I believe it. I want to. I want to.

1195
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:51,060
I want to. Yep, I'll interview.

1196
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:53,300
There it is. There it is.

1197
01:49:53,520 --> 01:49:55,800
There it is. So click on that.

1198
01:49:57,700 --> 01:50:03,100
So, this is an internal meeting that we have that the public's welcome to attend,

1199
01:50:05,340 --> 01:50:17,160
it is for all of our employees and volunteers, and we do it once a year, and you can either, you can watch it online, or you can attend in person, and if you attend in person you get to have pizza.

1200
01:50:17,160 --> 01:50:18,620
You have to have one?

1201
01:50:18,620 --> 01:50:19,040
Pizza.

1202
01:50:19,440 --> 01:50:19,560
Pizza.

1203
01:50:21,500 --> 01:50:25,660
Well, I think most of our residents probably aren't aware of that, and that might be something

1204
01:50:25,660 --> 01:50:29,540
to highlight occasionally, I see it's a heads-notting, because I think some would be,

1205
01:50:29,540 --> 01:50:30,700
would want to go to that.

1206
01:50:30,900 --> 01:50:35,500
They'd want to meet some of the people that they're working for the village and learn something.

1207
01:50:35,580 --> 01:50:38,940
So anyway, I'm glad to see any.

1208
01:50:39,580 --> 01:50:40,820
It's helpful, right?

1209
01:50:40,820 --> 01:50:50,580
And the results of our community survey and any other information that the village manager wants to pass along.

1210
01:50:51,300 --> 01:50:55,480
So the community is getting the same information in a little bit different format.

1211
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:58,120
This one's a little bit more formal and it gets all right.

1212
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:00,420
It is intended for workforce.

1213
01:51:01,140 --> 01:51:01,440
Excuse me.

1214
01:51:01,660 --> 01:51:01,880
Yes.

1215
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:03,740
It's intended for a workforce.

1216
01:51:04,440 --> 01:51:04,660
Okay.

1217
01:51:04,920 --> 01:51:08,040
I thought you were saying for all all meetings are public.

1218
01:51:08,040 --> 01:51:14,400
But, oh, okay, I took it to mean that we wanted to encourage people to go to it, okay, more for the workforce.

1219
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:19,940
Kristen, a couple of times you've referenced, you go this way, but your colleagues go the other way.

1220
01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:29,300
I'm not uninterested in how staff uses the website. I'm more interested in how the public uses it.

1221
01:51:29,460 --> 01:51:35,220
And I wasn't sure when you said my colleagues, whether you specifically meant other people on staff or not.

1222
01:51:35,220 --> 01:51:44,020
both when I work with an AC volunteers they use different methods to go to places when I'm talking

1223
01:51:44,020 --> 01:51:47,980
with residents and showing them ways to get to information.

1224
01:51:50,120 --> 01:51:53,280
Everybody does a little bit different.

1225
01:51:55,100 --> 01:52:01,820
I like our search function. I think it works well. For instance, I'll search US Open.

1226
01:52:04,290 --> 01:52:14,090
And a trick that I will teach everyone is if you are using the search function, filter it by date.

1227
01:52:15,230 --> 01:52:16,530
That brings up.

1228
01:52:16,750 --> 01:52:19,290
So for instance, the NCDOT presentations.

1229
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:23,890
I think there was a comment from one of you that we had an old presentation.

1230
01:52:24,470 --> 01:52:26,110
Someone found on our website.

1231
01:52:27,890 --> 01:52:29,430
But there's an updated one.

1232
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:45,640
And so, it's helpful to have the previous ones, so that we can refer back, but it's also helpful to filter this by date so that you get the most recent information that we have.

1233
01:52:48,500 --> 01:52:51,300
All right, can we return to the presentation and

1234
01:52:53,700 --> 01:53:00,880
talking about, I'm glad you brought that up about how to our customers use our website, and that is what's important.

1235
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:04,220
And that's what's going to be discussed about in the design features.

1236
01:53:09,060 --> 01:53:11,640
What are some of our most popular pages?

1237
01:53:11,640 --> 01:53:12,540
Are you going to get to that?

1238
01:53:12,580 --> 01:53:13,740
Oh, you wait.

1239
01:53:14,100 --> 01:53:14,920
Yes, it's coming.

1240
01:53:17,250 --> 01:53:19,310
Why is this computer does not like me?

1241
01:53:25,420 --> 01:53:26,360
I'll blame it on the thunder.

1242
01:53:38,990 --> 01:53:40,250
Let me do anything.

1243
01:53:43,360 --> 01:53:45,580
See all those graphs coming at you, Mayor.

1244
01:53:46,360 --> 01:53:47,000
They're coming.

1245
01:53:50,450 --> 01:53:54,270
One of the reasons I wanted to put this on the agenda is that

1246
01:53:54,270 --> 01:54:00,670
in going through the strategic operating plans and the E.T.

1247
01:54:00,770 --> 01:54:01,790
So, community survey.

1248
01:54:04,170 --> 01:54:07,510
We have quite a few, at least, I think.

1249
01:54:07,750 --> 01:54:10,370
So, people who actually go to our website,

1250
01:54:10,610 --> 01:54:13,470
in this year numbers, 164,000 number websites.

1251
01:54:14,150 --> 01:54:17,350
So, I thought, you know, I don't know more about this.

1252
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:19,850
And I spoke to some of my colleagues, they said fine.

1253
01:54:19,850 --> 01:54:26,650
All right, so we'll go over some analytics and trends of 60% of the users that come to our

1254
01:54:26,650 --> 01:54:32,650
website are using mobile or smart devices that's very vital for us to know and design features.

1255
01:54:32,710 --> 01:54:38,590
We want to design mobile first. That becomes a little difficult when you're talking about PDFs,

1256
01:54:38,630 --> 01:54:45,350
permit applications. I don't know if you've tried to do a permit on a cell phone, but it is difficult.

1257
01:54:46,330 --> 01:54:50,550
So, the remaining 40% are coming through using the desktop.

1258
01:54:51,430 --> 01:55:00,650
We have from 1 July, 23 to 1 July, 561,000 views that's number of page views on our website.

1259
01:55:01,470 --> 01:55:04,910
Out of that, we have 1.4 million events triggered.

1260
01:55:05,330 --> 01:55:07,930
What that means is that someone interacted with the website.

1261
01:55:08,130 --> 01:55:11,690
They clicked on something, they opened something, they deleted something, or not deleted.

1262
01:55:11,690 --> 01:55:16,970
They downloaded something, applied, did some kind of engagement with our website.

1263
01:55:17,970 --> 01:55:19,310
I'm not using them.

1264
01:55:19,710 --> 01:55:20,630
He bored anymore.

1265
01:55:21,090 --> 01:55:22,890
That's 1,500 a day.

1266
01:55:23,410 --> 01:55:24,110
That's a lot.

1267
01:55:24,350 --> 01:55:25,890
That's more than I would have expected.

1268
01:55:26,710 --> 01:55:26,850
That's why.

1269
01:55:27,570 --> 01:55:28,670
Is it?

1270
01:55:28,670 --> 01:55:29,670
That's my point.

1271
01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:36,520
You're not doing it with that remote.

1272
01:55:38,780 --> 01:55:40,080
I practice today.

1273
01:55:40,140 --> 01:55:41,060
Make sure everything was working.

1274
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:43,080
So this is our top 10 list.

1275
01:55:43,260 --> 01:55:45,840
I'm sorry David Lederman's not here to present it.

1276
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:54,660
But we have a total, and this kind of blew my mind, of 60, 500 pages, individual pages on our website.

1277
01:55:55,100 --> 01:55:57,740
And there's a lot of data on data.

1278
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:04,620
41.9% are visiting us from the homepage, and you'll see that that's 88,000 visitors.

1279
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:12,180
This year was an off-ear because of the open, but I'll be interested to see what the numbers are next year.

1280
01:56:12,180 --> 01:56:15,960
But as you can see, our village is booked in busy.

1281
01:56:16,260 --> 01:56:17,080
They love events.

1282
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:19,900
They want to know what's going on, where it's going on.

1283
01:56:19,900 --> 01:56:28,720
They love our historical buildings, the Fairbarn, and the Harness Track, Parks and Recreation.

1284
01:56:30,740 --> 01:56:33,420
There's nothing up there that surprises me.

1285
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:34,840
Solid waste schedules.

1286
01:56:35,120 --> 01:56:38,800
That's why solid waste schedules is always at the top, planning and inspections.

1287
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:52,020
we expect to be a big number. I will say, 14,500 people went to our website to find out

1288
01:56:52,020 --> 01:56:59,260
about solid waste. In one year? In one year? No. Could have won or lost on that bed of over

1289
01:56:59,260 --> 01:57:05,480
under. That is sufficient across every municipality I've worked for. And it's usually

1290
01:57:05,480 --> 01:57:06,280
schedules.

1291
01:57:08,660 --> 01:57:14,520
And when things are picked up like the yard waste, when that's open, what

1292
01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:19,860
can you recycle, what can you recycle? And we could drill down if you wanted to to find

1293
01:57:19,860 --> 01:57:23,740
out exactly where they're going, but that is just common across the board. What I will

1294
01:57:23,740 --> 01:57:31,740
say is what there's some things missing, glaring, glaringly missing, things like age jobs.

1295
01:57:31,740 --> 01:57:38,640
Jobs is huge. Jobs is a huge hit. It is not going to show up on our analytics because we use.

1296
01:57:39,140 --> 01:57:45,600
We push that out to government jobs. Now I can get the analytic data from government jobs.

1297
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:51,860
But I bet it would be up there. It would be in the top 10. The jobs were housed on our website.

1298
01:57:51,860 --> 01:57:57,120
But when you type BNWW. VOP.org.

1299
01:57:59,440 --> 01:58:03,360
Hr. It goes straight. It redirects you to our God's page.

1300
01:58:04,280 --> 01:58:05,620
So that's not going to show up.

1301
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:08,300
But this doesn't show library or archives.

1302
01:58:09,120 --> 01:58:10,520
It does not. You're correct.

1303
01:58:11,100 --> 01:58:13,320
It was probably in the top 15.

1304
01:58:18,020 --> 01:58:21,480
This is just the same information presented in a different way for those that

1305
01:58:21,480 --> 01:58:25,040
like the bar graphs, you can see that everything's pretty even

1306
01:58:25,040 --> 01:58:27,100
except for our home page.

1307
01:58:27,900 --> 01:58:29,820
And a who's responsible for the website?

1308
01:58:30,860 --> 01:58:32,380
We'll get to that in a couple of slides.

1309
01:58:32,740 --> 01:58:33,200
That's all right.

1310
01:58:33,300 --> 01:58:36,420
No, I mean, individually keeping the data up to date

1311
01:58:36,420 --> 01:58:38,740
is really a significant task obviously.

1312
01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:39,660
It is.

1313
01:58:39,680 --> 01:58:40,020
It is.

1314
01:58:40,020 --> 01:58:40,920
For each department.

1315
01:58:41,220 --> 01:58:41,520
Right.

1316
01:58:41,880 --> 01:58:43,300
I have a slide about that.

1317
01:58:43,700 --> 01:58:46,520
So I know you asked me for the bottom 10.

1318
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:51,120
And like I mentioned, we have 6,500 pages.

1319
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:57,720
Thousands of those pages have one visit her year.

1320
01:58:58,720 --> 01:59:00,700
So it was going to be, so what I did,

1321
01:59:00,700 --> 01:59:02,580
I used a hundred as my threshold.

1322
01:59:03,240 --> 01:59:05,200
And then I did the top six, just to give you an idea.

1323
01:59:05,340 --> 01:59:09,100
But remember when we talked about the different pathways

1324
01:59:09,100 --> 01:59:11,360
in which you can reach a site,

1325
01:59:11,800 --> 01:59:15,340
so I want to buy surplus property is in that list,

1326
01:59:15,340 --> 01:59:19,960
But that's just because they don't go through that I want to.

1327
01:59:19,960 --> 01:59:21,620
I want to view codes.

1328
01:59:22,320 --> 01:59:24,200
Everyone views codes and regulations.

1329
01:59:24,520 --> 01:59:27,120
That's very popular, but they're not going through that

1330
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:28,580
web's that pathway.

1331
01:59:29,020 --> 01:59:30,900
They're going through planning and inspections.

1332
01:59:32,020 --> 01:59:32,980
Facility directory,

1333
01:59:35,020 --> 01:59:37,740
I imagine would be where it is,

1334
01:59:37,900 --> 01:59:40,040
same thing with the awards and rate of recognitions.

1335
01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:44,820
And 125th anniversary just continues to pop up.

1336
01:59:44,820 --> 01:59:47,900
people are interested. I wouldn't be offended if you removed that.

1337
01:59:47,920 --> 01:59:49,940
Remove what? Now that's you!

1338
01:59:51,640 --> 01:59:52,860
Oh, for historical purposes.

1339
01:59:53,880 --> 01:59:55,300
All right, performance and dashboard.

1340
01:59:56,080 --> 01:59:59,920
So the mayor asks specifically about our dashboards because they're very robust.

1341
02:00:02,400 --> 02:00:11,180
This is typical across the state of North Carolina. I've talked with all my colleagues. We spend a lot of time, internally.

1342
02:00:11,660 --> 02:00:19,860
We use these dashboards internally. We make data driven decisions. Our council uses them daily. The public does not.

1343
02:00:20,840 --> 02:00:29,980
I did add one more piece of data in the views versus users, because I felt that this was important.

1344
02:00:30,440 --> 02:00:38,360
So the performance reports and dashboards, the views were 125, however, those were only 81 unique users.

1345
02:00:38,920 --> 02:00:40,700
How do you define users?

1346
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:43,340
An IP address.

1347
02:00:43,980 --> 02:00:59,000
And IP address, so like, if I went to the site four times in one week, I'm not going to count, I'm going to not, I'm only going to count as one user, but I'm going to count as four views, because I visited it four times.

1348
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:00,680
You might have multiple.

1349
02:01:02,980 --> 02:01:08,980
If I go on via my phone, mobile and go from the laptop, because I'm sitting at home, I will be two.

1350
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:10,340
It's devices.

1351
02:01:10,540 --> 02:01:13,240
It's devices and IP addresses that are hitting that.

1352
02:01:14,900 --> 02:01:25,020
Dashboards are a little better at 360-8 with 258 individual users and then our strategic operating

1353
02:01:25,020 --> 02:01:37,060
plan, which is actually the hardest document to read is not hard, but just robust and dense.

1354
02:01:37,060 --> 02:01:43,760
We had about 1,200, but only 400 and 8 individual users.

1355
02:01:44,300 --> 02:01:52,180
I will also note that we link out to the strategic operating plan a lot more than we do

1356
02:01:52,180 --> 02:01:52,980
the others.

1357
02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:58,060
And that's a goal of mine this year is to really try to push the dashboard information out

1358
02:01:58,060 --> 02:01:59,860
a little bit more and see if we can get some more traction.

1359
02:02:00,640 --> 02:02:01,440
Thank you.

1360
02:02:01,740 --> 02:02:01,920
Good idea.

1361
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:07,820
But we did, this is what our current key performance measure dashboard looks like before

1362
02:02:07,820 --> 02:02:09,820
you dig in to each goal.

1363
02:02:10,680 --> 02:02:16,260
I want to bring up that we switch to a different platform, clear point.

1364
02:02:18,000 --> 02:02:24,060
The Durham currently uses clear point, so I just wanted to give you an example, I don't

1365
02:02:24,060 --> 02:02:28,820
know if this is what it's going to look like, because the team is going to build it together,

1366
02:02:28,820 --> 02:02:37,940
But this is an example of what Durham's key performance dashboard looks like compared to what we currently have.

1367
02:02:38,140 --> 02:02:41,660
So we're excited to see where we can go with that.

1368
02:02:43,530 --> 02:02:47,290
So external platforms, it used to be 15, 20 years ago.

1369
02:02:47,490 --> 02:02:51,690
You were having to update your website every two to two years or you were obsolete.

1370
02:02:52,290 --> 02:02:55,230
You're talking 30, 40,000 dollars a pop at the minimum.

1371
02:02:57,630 --> 02:03:02,810
These platforms, these companies are offering us solutions, so we don't have to do that.

1372
02:03:03,150 --> 02:03:05,550
We don't have to recreate our website every year.

1373
02:03:05,970 --> 02:03:12,810
We can use these solutions from a seller, for instance, that's our planning and

1374
02:03:15,080 --> 02:03:16,060
my VOP has

1375
02:03:16,060 --> 02:03:16,920
Jason back there.

1376
02:03:17,180 --> 02:03:20,960
Can he, I think they also offer it as well?

1377
02:03:21,260 --> 02:03:21,900
Yes, that is.

1378
02:03:21,920 --> 02:03:22,340
Thank you.

1379
02:03:22,460 --> 02:03:23,000
I thought it was.

1380
02:03:23,000 --> 02:03:30,260
want to make sure. The one with the red green and blue, that's the southern software that

1381
02:03:30,260 --> 02:03:36,420
does our statistics for our website, state archives of North Carolina host hour minutes.

1382
02:03:38,440 --> 02:03:44,580
And agendas, civic wreck is the platform where all of our registrations and our catalog for

1383
02:03:44,580 --> 02:03:52,120
our Parks and Recreation Department go, civic clerk of course is agendas software, GIS everyone knows

1384
02:03:52,120 --> 02:03:56,660
government jobs is the orange and American legal is the municipal code.

1385
02:03:58,000 --> 02:04:02,760
So keep in mind that we've got probably triple the amount of platforms.

1386
02:04:03,300 --> 02:04:09,600
This was just one that I thought that we could just briefly talk about tonight.

1387
02:04:12,620 --> 02:04:16,320
So who maintains the website, Mr. Farrell's question.

1388
02:04:16,780 --> 02:04:21,780
So IT is responsible for the support and maintenance and security of hardware and the infrastructure

1389
02:04:21,780 --> 02:04:37,040
of our website. However, every department has content responsibilities. I think this is a good opportunity to bring up that not only last Thursday night it was our fire department out all night long our IT staff was out all night long.

1390
02:04:37,380 --> 02:04:47,780
We had a global outage and we woke up to my listserv was all the communities from all over North Carolina that were closed for business that day.

1391
02:04:48,480 --> 02:04:50,160
Permitting system wasn't used.

1392
02:04:50,260 --> 02:04:52,060
That was part of the broader outage.

1393
02:04:52,180 --> 02:04:55,460
The global outage from last week is the same night as the fire.

1394
02:04:57,720 --> 02:05:06,820
People were close for business and all of our staff walked in, sat down, opened up our computers and everything worked.

1395
02:05:07,920 --> 02:05:12,000
So that's just a credit to the IT teams dedication.

1396
02:05:12,320 --> 02:05:14,920
I just wanted to make sure that I shouted that out for them.

1397
02:05:16,160 --> 02:05:16,940
Administrative staff.

1398
02:05:16,940 --> 02:05:20,640
So this is all of the, I'm not admin department,

1399
02:05:20,880 --> 02:05:23,800
but staff throughout the village update

1400
02:05:23,800 --> 02:05:28,900
departmental pages as needed as folks change positions.

1401
02:05:30,080 --> 02:05:32,820
If they are in charge of any committees or boards,

1402
02:05:32,980 --> 02:05:35,880
they're responsible for uploading their information.

1403
02:05:36,760 --> 02:05:38,800
Clark does council materials, of course,

1404
02:05:38,980 --> 02:05:40,340
agenda minutes, et cetera.

1405
02:05:41,260 --> 02:05:45,900
I do news, banner images, graphics, and any other website updates

1406
02:05:45,900 --> 02:05:54,240
as needed. As long as I'm not coding, I leave that to IT. Librarian parks, they assist with updating

1407
02:05:54,240 --> 02:06:00,940
events calendars, which you know is popular. So that's very important that our events calendar

1408
02:06:00,940 --> 02:06:10,050
is kept up to date. Future and expected trends, the BOP staff is evaluating in 2015, the needs

1409
02:06:10,050 --> 02:06:17,570
transfer website refresh, the trends right now are maximalism, more is more, larger images,

1410
02:06:18,970 --> 02:06:25,370
user-centric design. So what that goes, it ties into what you were saying. Mr. Taylor

1411
02:06:25,370 --> 02:06:33,370
about the, how do our users use our website? Our internet, our internal website, looks a lot

1412
02:06:33,370 --> 02:06:38,330
different than the external website. And there's a reason for that. And it's, and it's built

1413
02:06:38,330 --> 02:06:39,970
for how we need to use it.

1414
02:06:40,250 --> 02:06:42,710
We also want to keep in mind a mobile first design,

1415
02:06:42,990 --> 02:06:47,230
make sure that, because 60% of our users are mobile users,

1416
02:06:47,690 --> 02:06:49,470
that it also is mobile friendly,

1417
02:06:49,950 --> 02:06:55,030
and we want to make sure that we are accessible in our design.

1418
02:06:56,550 --> 02:07:00,310
An example of this is all caps.

1419
02:07:01,090 --> 02:07:04,310
You're also screaming at someone when you write in all caps,

1420
02:07:04,310 --> 02:07:10,310
But it's also for some people that have the accessibility devices hooked up to their computer.

1421
02:07:10,830 --> 02:07:15,490
It does not recognize all caps and cannot read out what it is saying.

1422
02:07:16,010 --> 02:07:19,330
So it's very important that we keep up with these types of things,

1423
02:07:20,030 --> 02:07:25,890
so that we have an accessible website and security interest always remains on trend.

1424
02:07:26,910 --> 02:07:27,530
So I wanted to-

1425
02:07:31,360 --> 02:07:35,200
We host everything on our in-house servers.

1426
02:07:35,560 --> 02:07:38,500
Oh, sir, we host this in the cloud with granicus.

1427
02:07:41,180 --> 02:07:42,480
Thank you.

1428
02:07:42,700 --> 02:07:44,560
Single cloud provider, do we have multiple?

1429
02:07:46,300 --> 02:07:46,820
Excuse me.

1430
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:50,440
Do we have just one cloud provider, or do we do more than one platform?

1431
02:07:51,360 --> 02:07:57,800
For the website, we have one cloud provider, but they have redundant systems in the cloud.

1432
02:07:57,800 --> 02:08:02,040
Okay, so one goes down, the other takes over, that works.

1433
02:08:03,860 --> 02:08:08,280
So real quick, I know a lot of people sometimes get a little nervous about AI technology,

1434
02:08:10,720 --> 02:08:14,020
but people are using it on websites.

1435
02:08:14,260 --> 02:08:16,220
Rowan County is using it.

1436
02:08:16,600 --> 02:08:21,620
And if I'm a, I wanted to just, so this is their homepage.

1437
02:08:22,120 --> 02:08:26,660
And AI is front and center, and so I'm very interested after the year to talk with their

1438
02:08:26,660 --> 02:08:32,800
Communication's director and find out how useful this has been and it will so let's say

1439
02:08:34,120 --> 02:08:35,740
You can ask a question

1440
02:08:37,240 --> 02:08:44,600
What was the good one we had just a manager Shannon when is the council me when is or

1441
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:58,200
And so this AI only searches within itself. It does not search the wide web

1442
02:08:58,200 --> 02:09:00,660
So it will give me

1443
02:09:01,460 --> 02:09:08,740
calendar. It will give me historic landmarks. And you can continue asking it questions.

1444
02:09:09,100 --> 02:09:09,960
Where's the agenda?

1445
02:09:22,240 --> 02:09:28,620
So there it is. And this takes zero manpower. This takes zero person's

1446
02:09:28,620 --> 02:09:30,020
answering a phone call.

1447
02:09:32,120 --> 02:09:35,480
And this helps, this can guide residents and to fence, you know,

1448
02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:41,940
how do I do a fence permit? Or do I need a permit for fence, etc. Any questions about

1449
02:09:41,940 --> 02:09:43,160
AI technology.

1450
02:09:47,660 --> 02:09:51,700
Thank you if you missed a letter it would know what you intended but that's different questions.

1451
02:09:52,720 --> 02:09:54,380
It probably would.

1452
02:09:55,680 --> 02:10:00,220
I have an internal issue with Miss Spelling Award.

1453
02:10:01,460 --> 02:10:02,780
When are we going to be adopting it?

1454
02:10:03,380 --> 02:10:03,860
Sorry.

1455
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:06,380
When are we going to be adopting AI to our website?

1456
02:10:07,660 --> 02:10:08,520
Good question.

1457
02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:15,380
That's a process that we're going to, the team and Jason's team will get together and discuss what

1458
02:10:15,380 --> 02:10:23,820
needs, what our trends are showing, and if that fits in with what we, the tools that we

1459
02:10:23,820 --> 02:10:27,000
want to use, there's no decision. That's just what's coming.

1460
02:10:29,300 --> 02:10:30,940
I would like to integrate

1461
02:10:30,940 --> 02:10:39,300
some AI eventually. So how do we keep up with an ever-changing technological climate? This is

1462
02:10:39,300 --> 02:10:44,840
just personally for my position. So I'm a member of NC3C, which is North Carolina City

1463
02:10:44,840 --> 02:10:52,260
county communicators. So you'll see we have a packed schedule tomorrow between that and the government social media.

1464
02:10:52,400 --> 02:11:00,300
We have two webinars tomorrow. The cost for NC3C is $50 a year and I get every single penny out of that.

1465
02:11:01,340 --> 02:11:03,460
Tomorrow we're going to be discussing community engagement.

1466
02:11:04,760 --> 02:11:10,800
3CMA is the national organization and they're constantly updating us on trends

1467
02:11:10,800 --> 02:11:16,680
that they're saying, case law, that they're saying come out for websites in social media.

1468
02:11:17,780 --> 02:11:21,320
We're, I'm also a member of the government social media and you can see that tomorrow's

1469
02:11:21,320 --> 02:11:24,540
discussion is going to be top AI tools for social governments.

1470
02:11:25,640 --> 02:11:32,720
And then, Nurtilert, I listen to Govcom's podcast once a week, sometimes it applies to me,

1471
02:11:32,760 --> 02:11:38,700
sometimes it does not, but it's still interesting to see what other government agencies are doing

1472
02:11:38,700 --> 02:11:40,040
in terms of communication.

1473
02:11:41,300 --> 02:11:45,640
And I know that Jason is a member of his professional

1474
02:11:45,640 --> 02:11:51,740
organizations and gets information constantly from them.

1475
02:11:52,220 --> 02:11:54,920
And so we like to build meaningful connections

1476
02:11:54,920 --> 02:11:57,780
with every digital interaction we have, whether it's

1477
02:11:57,780 --> 02:12:00,780
our app, the key ask, email, computer,

1478
02:12:02,860 --> 02:12:03,460
and with that,

1479
02:12:03,680 --> 02:12:05,880
I will answer any questions you may have about our website.

1480
02:12:08,300 --> 02:12:08,820
Questions?

1481
02:12:10,020 --> 02:12:11,060
Dr. Morgan.

1482
02:12:12,060 --> 02:12:14,460
I was just going to mention what's not really a question.

1483
02:12:14,720 --> 02:12:21,500
It was to reiterate something that got done and the Jeff commented on.

1484
02:12:22,240 --> 02:12:26,580
When the traffic circle issue first came up and DOTs had saved these initial crashes

1485
02:12:26,580 --> 02:12:27,160
or initial.

1486
02:12:27,480 --> 02:12:32,700
We asked you have any data post the ballers or for 2024 and they didn't.

1487
02:12:32,860 --> 02:12:36,180
We had to thinking about it because the source of their data is really our police reports.

1488
02:12:36,180 --> 02:12:45,780
It starts there if there's a crash and then it gets aggregated up to them. And I thought we must because of that and because of what we see in the daily

1489
02:12:46,840 --> 02:12:58,580
Police report that we must be able to report on it somehow and I'd spoken separately with Jason and with chief web and and then kind of made a formal request that they take a look at this and

1490
02:12:58,580 --> 02:13:05,460
If I don't think it took seven days. I think it was less than a week. They came up with for a first cut a really excellent

1491
02:13:06,660 --> 02:13:10,840
ability for us to look at our own data and I had some other thoughts on that which I

1492
02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:15,000
said I'd hold off on. I didn't want to give just a knee jerk reaction. I believe

1493
02:13:15,000 --> 02:13:18,660
you've all been copied on the website. You can click on it. They've already made a

1494
02:13:18,660 --> 02:13:22,700
couple of enhancements and I don't think we want to make this a life's work but to

1495
02:13:22,700 --> 02:13:26,900
the extent that you have any thoughts. I think now is time to maybe feed them in because

1496
02:13:26,900 --> 02:13:31,880
this is important information both specific reference to the DOT as we work through

1497
02:13:31,880 --> 02:13:38,900
going forward and just generally. So again, Kudos to the IT department for coming up very, very quickly

1498
02:13:38,900 --> 02:13:44,740
with the solution that we still don't have anything from DOT, but we have our own numbers and they'll

1499
02:13:44,740 --> 02:13:49,260
never match exactly what DOT has, but I'll be happy to go with our numbers. I think they'll be more

1500
02:13:49,260 --> 02:13:54,070
granular and I'll be more accurate and we can actually pretty much look at them in real time now.

1501
02:13:54,070 --> 02:13:56,590
Okay, thank you.

1502
02:13:57,190 --> 02:13:58,950
Barb, that's all that questions.

1503
02:14:00,670 --> 02:14:00,850
Pack?

1504
02:14:02,090 --> 02:14:02,470
Thank you.

1505
02:14:02,850 --> 02:14:07,170
I just had one of the things that triggered the website

1506
02:14:07,170 --> 02:14:13,510
thought in my mind was that in our community survey findings in 2023,

1507
02:14:14,690 --> 02:14:19,690
they gave us a 10-year look at certain issues.

1508
02:14:20,590 --> 02:14:22,150
One question caught my mind is,

1509
02:14:22,150 --> 02:14:25,810
which of the following do you use to get information about the village of Pinehurst?

1510
02:14:27,430 --> 02:14:38,650
Well, in 2013, 82% of the respondents said the pilot newspaper in 2023, that had dropped

1511
02:14:38,650 --> 02:14:52,030
down to 68%, sorry amount, he's just reporting the facts man, and in, but on the

1512
02:14:52,030 --> 02:14:59,950
The Village website, we went from 47% in 2013, up to 50% in...

1513
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,720
So, the trends were way different, which don't mean that on the screen for you now, too.

1514
02:15:06,820 --> 02:15:14,220
Okay, you know, which tells you the reliance that our residents have on the website, which what makes it very important.

1515
02:15:15,620 --> 02:15:27,880
And in the other one, it's not website, but it was the village newsletter, which also in 2013 was relied by 82%, but it dropped to 56% in 2023.

1516
02:15:27,880 --> 02:15:37,500
But we haven't spent, I don't think is much time on the village newsletter as we do on our website, which is obviously the become more and more useful.

1517
02:15:38,480 --> 02:15:52,680
So this is very helpful. I'll have probably some thoughts and I've got with you again on this, and I do want to see a way we can encourage our residents to even use it more, the dashboards.

1518
02:15:52,680 --> 02:15:55,660
The information in there is very helpful.

1519
02:15:56,060 --> 02:15:59,620
Not everyone cares about a lot of that information, but for those who might.

1520
02:15:59,940 --> 02:16:02,260
Those dashboards are very insightful.

1521
02:16:03,080 --> 02:16:04,820
So thank you, Kristen, for this.

1522
02:16:05,000 --> 02:16:06,880
And thank you for the work you do on the NAC.

1523
02:16:07,200 --> 02:16:09,180
Because this is also helpful for them.

1524
02:16:10,020 --> 02:16:10,600
Thank you.

1525
02:16:11,640 --> 02:16:12,680
Thank you.

1526
02:16:14,460 --> 02:16:16,880
Item D. We'll go to the next item up.

1527
02:16:17,000 --> 02:16:17,660
Here comes Mike.

1528
02:16:17,660 --> 02:16:23,080
This is a discuss the Chinkakuin and Magnolia Intersections and Stonewater Improvenance Project.

1529
02:16:35,030 --> 02:16:37,370
Krash did a broke it.

1530
02:16:38,010 --> 02:16:38,970
He goes the website.

1531
02:16:40,410 --> 02:16:41,610
I'll talk to the way with the keyboard.

1532
02:16:50,730 --> 02:16:50,930
All right.

1533
02:16:51,610 --> 02:16:52,130
Well, good evening.

1534
02:16:52,670 --> 02:16:56,550
Here to discuss a project you've probably heard a little bit about.

1535
02:16:56,590 --> 02:17:01,010
We've called it the Chinkakuin and Magnolia Intersection and Stonewater Improvenance Project.

1536
02:17:01,950 --> 02:17:05,350
This was a Jeff Baton Project.

1537
02:17:05,470 --> 02:17:06,690
He was the one kind of handle.

1538
02:17:06,690 --> 02:17:10,690
Boy, he's got on a month, and he does them under the bus.

1539
02:17:10,990 --> 02:17:12,190
So, I'm not on a month of bus.

1540
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:16,490
I'm saying that Jeff Baton had kind of overseen this project through the design.

1541
02:17:16,690 --> 02:17:20,290
And now, I guess it's been passed along to Carlton and myself to get through the construction

1542
02:17:20,290 --> 02:17:21,750
phase, the fun part.

1543
02:17:23,010 --> 02:17:28,790
The village retained McGill Associates to develop design plans for this project in Shannon.

1544
02:17:28,810 --> 02:17:32,390
Can you pull up those two sheets through there?

1545
02:17:32,510 --> 02:17:35,170
I want to make sure everybody's clear on exactly what that is.

1546
02:17:35,170 --> 02:17:36,710
So that first one there's fine.

1547
02:17:38,790 --> 02:17:40,690
This is just a little sketch I put together

1548
02:17:42,250 --> 02:17:45,070
of the engineering plans for this.

1549
02:17:45,670 --> 02:17:48,410
So this is at the intersection of Magnolia and Chinkwepin.

1550
02:17:49,310 --> 02:17:53,010
And I might need a kind of a pointer to show that up there.

1551
02:18:00,980 --> 02:18:04,580
A point for, I just want to be able to,

1552
02:18:05,880 --> 02:18:08,480
or at least the mouse, yeah, kind of just use the mouse.

1553
02:18:16,720 --> 02:18:21,740
So, just to give you an idea to make sure we're in the right place here, this is coming up

1554
02:18:21,740 --> 02:18:24,340
Magnolia, if you're coming this way, into downtown.

1555
02:18:24,960 --> 02:18:29,640
You come to this intersection right here, and that is the intersection of Magnolia and

1556
02:18:29,640 --> 02:18:30,120
Chinkle Pan.

1557
02:18:30,300 --> 02:18:33,340
So, the Magnolia in is on this corner.

1558
02:18:34,060 --> 02:18:41,160
The wine shop and eclectic in the villages on this corner, the veteran's golf association

1559
02:18:41,160 --> 02:18:47,780
is on this corner and I believe there's a residence on this corner. This project really has

1560
02:18:47,780 --> 02:18:54,640
three components to it. First one is to turn it into a four-way intersection, a four-way

1561
02:18:54,640 --> 02:18:59,840
stop intersection. As of right now you have to stop when you come up Magnolia from this direction.

1562
02:19:00,180 --> 02:19:06,180
You have to stop when you come from this direction but it is free flowing on Chinkle Pin. And I'm

1563
02:19:06,180 --> 02:19:11,140
sure you've been up there as you come up here on Magnolia. It's a little difficult to see when

1564
02:19:11,140 --> 02:19:15,960
you're looking to the right and when you're looking to the left to see that oncoming traffic

1565
02:19:15,960 --> 02:19:16,600
here.

1566
02:19:17,060 --> 02:19:24,000
So the first part of this project was to make it a four-way stop in order to do that, the design

1567
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:28,240
includes these little brick islands, a column and a bowl of bots here, but they're just

1568
02:19:28,240 --> 02:19:33,240
brick islands because we really don't have a good place to put stop signs as it is right

1569
02:19:33,240 --> 02:19:33,800
now.

1570
02:19:33,960 --> 02:19:37,100
So there's a brick island here, kind of out in front of the Magnolia Inn.

1571
02:19:37,160 --> 02:19:40,580
There's another brick island that would come out here and it would be landscape and a place

1572
02:19:40,580 --> 02:19:43,420
to put the stop signs.

1573
02:19:44,380 --> 02:19:47,140
The other two corners pretty much remain as is.

1574
02:19:47,360 --> 02:19:49,520
There's a little bit of rerouting, a sidewalk that

1575
02:19:49,520 --> 02:19:50,900
goes on in front of the magnolia.

1576
02:19:52,100 --> 02:19:55,440
But that's generally what we need to be done to make that

1577
02:19:55,440 --> 02:19:56,300
a four-way stop.

1578
02:19:57,300 --> 02:20:00,400
The second component of it is this stormwater.

1579
02:20:00,460 --> 02:20:01,940
And that's the red lines on here.

1580
02:20:02,980 --> 02:20:06,260
There is a stormbox right in front of the wine shop

1581
02:20:06,260 --> 02:20:08,240
in the little parking area right there.

1582
02:20:08,240 --> 02:20:13,060
It doesn't drain to anywhere, I mean it drains and infiltrates into the ground.

1583
02:20:13,240 --> 02:20:21,020
There is not a pipe that goes anywhere to that other than just the little landscape bed that is right there adjacent to it.

1584
02:20:21,560 --> 02:20:32,460
It works pretty good in some rainfall events, but when we get some of these, like we've had recently, where we get downpours pretty significant events in a short amount of time,

1585
02:20:32,460 --> 02:20:38,460
There are times when it does overload that box there and it goes over the sidewalk.

1586
02:20:40,280 --> 02:20:46,060
So part of this design actually connects to that box. I really wish we had another stormwater

1587
02:20:46,740 --> 02:20:52,720
height box system close by to connect to. We do not end downtown. There's hardly any stormwater

1588
02:20:52,720 --> 02:20:59,340
infrastructure in downtown. So this design actually takes it from there. It goes across the intersection

1589
02:20:59,340 --> 02:21:07,120
and goes down Magnolia Road and actually ties in to a storm box, kind of down at the intersection

1590
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:11,500
with Dogwood there, with the Pine Crest in, in front of the Pine Crest in.

1591
02:21:11,760 --> 02:21:13,520
Do they know whether inlets along Magnolia?

1592
02:21:13,740 --> 02:21:15,700
There are no other inlets along Magnolia.

1593
02:21:16,680 --> 02:21:22,120
This was something that was also looked at in pretty significant detail during our storm

1594
02:21:22,120 --> 02:21:23,880
water management and master plan.

1595
02:21:24,060 --> 02:21:29,320
It was actually looked at coming up Chinkwapin with it, but the closest place to do that

1596
02:21:30,540 --> 02:21:35,260
There was an option of going up and actually going down the alley that goes beside Drum and

1597
02:21:35,260 --> 02:21:35,560
Quill.

1598
02:21:36,160 --> 02:21:37,360
But that's all private property.

1599
02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:41,380
We would have to get easements and then it would turn and go kind of along the roadstuff

1600
02:21:41,380 --> 02:21:45,540
this property and eventually end up down by the village green parking lot.

1601
02:21:45,660 --> 02:21:48,460
And that was going to be a lot more expensive than this.

1602
02:21:48,580 --> 02:21:53,440
So the option that we elected to go with for the drainage improvements was to come down

1603
02:21:53,440 --> 02:21:55,300
magnetally erode with this.

1604
02:21:55,520 --> 02:21:56,040
As we did.

1605
02:21:56,220 --> 02:21:58,700
Would this add additional and let's along the road?

1606
02:21:58,700 --> 02:22:05,480
It does, yes. Quite a few. As we do that, you can see kind of right here on Magnolia.

1607
02:22:06,240 --> 02:22:11,520
There's on Street Parking that occurs down in that area. It's not very organized.

1608
02:22:12,060 --> 02:22:14,500
Right now, there's no designated spots.

1609
02:22:15,140 --> 02:22:19,080
And sometimes we get complaints about people parking and blocking driveways and things like that.

1610
02:22:19,920 --> 02:22:24,700
So in addition to the four-way stop and the stormwater infrastructure,

1611
02:22:24,700 --> 02:22:29,780
infrastructure, we're going to kind of make that parking a little bit more organized with

1612
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:35,200
As he made it striking, in order to make sure people are parking in the correct locations.

1613
02:22:35,440 --> 02:22:37,820
That's below the area that's currently the loading zone.

1614
02:22:38,280 --> 02:22:40,860
Correct. That's exactly right. Yeah, good point.

1615
02:22:41,020 --> 02:22:46,420
John, the loading zone is right in this area here, and that remains untouched. And I think

1616
02:22:46,420 --> 02:22:49,620
there's even one over here, maybe on the other side of the market square.

1617
02:22:52,220 --> 02:22:53,360
I'll go back to Jeff. Jeff was

1618
02:22:53,360 --> 02:22:59,160
really hoping to get this thing in before the U.S. opened, and before he left. We sent the project

1619
02:22:59,160 --> 02:23:06,940
out for bids in January and ask contractors please could you could you get this in for us

1620
02:23:06,940 --> 02:23:12,900
before the US opened we didn't get any bids we got no takers on that so we kind of just

1621
02:23:12,900 --> 02:23:19,980
backed up said let's wait till after the open send it out again send it out a few weeks ago

1622
02:23:19,980 --> 02:23:25,740
I sent it to five contractors local contractors who we have worked with well who we know

1623
02:23:25,740 --> 02:23:33,460
good contractors have worked in this area before, I got one bid back and there's two problems

1624
02:23:33,460 --> 02:23:41,040
with the bid that I got. Number one is the amount of it. So we have, we've got some roll forward

1625
02:23:41,040 --> 02:23:49,720
money to pay for this project. It was in the FY24 budget. There's $200,000 in the FY25 budget

1626
02:23:49,720 --> 02:23:54,380
that's allocated to streetscapes and I think could be used for this if we wanted to. So

1627
02:23:54,380 --> 02:24:00,100
total available funding with the roll forward if we didn't take money from anywhere else

1628
02:24:00,100 --> 02:24:07,640
is about $564,000. The one bit I got was $1.14 million.

1629
02:24:10,530 --> 02:24:12,630
That was my reaction to that.

1630
02:24:14,210 --> 02:24:21,310
So only one bit but significantly over the funding that we currently have available. And the

1631
02:24:21,310 --> 02:24:26,350
Another issue with it is North Carolina Bidlaws say if it's more than $500,000, we're supposed

1632
02:24:26,350 --> 02:24:30,850
to do a formal advertisement process where we actually do an ad and it goes out and anybody

1633
02:24:30,850 --> 02:24:32,130
can bid on it.

1634
02:24:32,550 --> 02:24:33,490
We did not do that.

1635
02:24:33,490 --> 02:24:39,010
I guess I was being optimistic we could come in under $500,000 but that was not the case.

1636
02:24:40,530 --> 02:24:46,450
So we need to reject the one bid that we received and we need to proceed with if we want

1637
02:24:46,450 --> 02:24:51,290
to proceed with this project we need to re-advertise it or advertise it out during the

1638
02:24:51,290 --> 02:24:54,130
doing the formal bid process.

1639
02:24:55,490 --> 02:25:01,410
I would suggest that we do that, but when we do that,

1640
02:25:01,530 --> 02:25:05,250
we actually break the project up into two components.

1641
02:25:06,450 --> 02:25:09,570
The intersection improvements and the storm drainage improvements.

1642
02:25:10,010 --> 02:25:12,610
The drainage improvements are what's driving the cost up.

1643
02:25:12,770 --> 02:25:14,290
I mean, it's a lot of pipe.

1644
02:25:14,790 --> 02:25:15,910
It's a tight area.

1645
02:25:16,250 --> 02:25:18,110
There's inlets in that area as well.

1646
02:25:18,110 --> 02:25:26,810
So what I would suggest is we put it out there, let's get a price if we only did, and I'm not suggesting we do this, but at least we had that option if we want to

1647
02:25:27,610 --> 02:25:34,370
If we only did the intersection improvements the brick cutouts and created that four-way stop, what's that going to cost?

1648
02:25:34,610 --> 02:25:39,650
And okay, if we want to do the rest of it with the drainage improvements to what's that going to cost?

1649
02:25:40,130 --> 02:25:42,710
Well, will we end up having a dig the street up twice?

1650
02:25:42,710 --> 02:25:47,810
If we did it twice, sure, but I think we'll know the numbers for that.

1651
02:25:48,090 --> 02:25:52,090
I'm just saying, let's have it both ways if we want to.

1652
02:25:52,490 --> 02:25:53,430
I am hopeful.

1653
02:25:53,690 --> 02:26:02,810
I'm optimistic that if we put this out there and give everybody time to push the construction out, that

1654
02:26:02,810 --> 02:26:05,650
will that $1.14 million bid will come down.

1655
02:26:05,770 --> 02:26:08,050
I had two contractors tell me they were just too busy.

1656
02:26:08,050 --> 02:26:14,790
I don't know the one who didn't respond, and I don't know the one who had some bonding requirements that they should have

1657
02:26:15,710 --> 02:26:22,930
fixed before we go back out for bids on it. So that's what I would suggest. We go back out. We have we get both of those numbers and

1658
02:26:23,870 --> 02:26:25,510
the other thing

1659
02:26:25,510 --> 02:26:31,030
You know looking at the schedule for this. We were hoping to get it done before the open and then we were maybe hoping to get it done

1660
02:26:31,430 --> 02:26:35,670
before the fall hit, but just looking at the calendar. I would suggest

1661
02:26:35,670 --> 02:26:40,750
We put this out and start construction right after the first of the year.

1662
02:26:41,190 --> 02:26:48,730
I believe that was actually a suggestion and Doug correct me if I'm wrong that some of the downtown businesses had during the listening sessions.

1663
02:26:48,950 --> 02:26:50,810
We could do it in the winter months.

1664
02:26:51,830 --> 02:26:55,670
We've got Holly Arts and Crafts, October 19th.

1665
02:26:56,590 --> 02:26:59,530
We've got October fast, October 26th downtown.

1666
02:26:59,870 --> 02:27:01,630
Christmas tree lighting is December 6th.

1667
02:27:01,690 --> 02:27:04,790
I mean the fall and we certainly don't want to be doing this.

1668
02:27:04,790 --> 02:27:08,470
My opinion around Thanksgiving between Thanksgiving and Christmas.

1669
02:27:09,890 --> 02:27:13,590
So my thought would be we give everybody enough time to put their bid together.

1670
02:27:13,830 --> 02:27:18,470
We tell them we're going to start at first of the year and you know, the risk we run with that is

1671
02:27:18,470 --> 02:27:23,870
paving the roads back in the cold weather months, you know, we may not be able to pay in January.

1672
02:27:23,970 --> 02:27:28,170
February, I believe the St. Patrick's day parade, if I was just looked at the calendar right,

1673
02:27:28,230 --> 02:27:30,230
would be around March 15th.

1674
02:27:30,450 --> 02:27:33,450
So I would be hopeful that we could be done before.

1675
02:27:33,450 --> 02:27:38,230
I'd also ask that we talk with the business owners down there that are affected by this.

1676
02:27:39,930 --> 02:27:41,990
Before we decide the time frame.

1677
02:27:44,130 --> 02:27:44,510
I think.

1678
02:27:45,530 --> 02:27:46,110
Yeah, Mike correct Doug.

1679
02:27:46,250 --> 02:27:48,850
That was their suggestion when you did met with them before.

1680
02:27:53,450 --> 02:27:55,410
I'm very much a proponent of this.

1681
02:27:55,450 --> 02:27:58,090
I think it's a safety issue downtown there.

1682
02:27:58,250 --> 02:28:03,110
And when you talk to business owners, those cars that sometimes come down there.

1683
02:28:03,110 --> 02:28:10,290
you know, Chica Quinn up towards Ritter there, they come down much faster, it's a very

1684
02:28:10,290 --> 02:28:10,810
apparent.

1685
02:28:10,930 --> 02:28:11,830
That's hard to see.

1686
02:28:11,950 --> 02:28:17,770
No reason for people to tap their brakes other than they should as they come down there.

1687
02:28:19,110 --> 02:28:25,910
So I generally like your suggestion and I certainly do think we ought to try to schedule

1688
02:28:25,910 --> 02:28:26,190
it.

1689
02:28:26,270 --> 02:28:31,510
We were to provide the least amount of complications for the downtown business centers.

1690
02:28:31,510 --> 02:28:46,530
Just where in the roadway would the storm water digging take place as distinct from building the concrete pillows in order to put the four-way intersection in?

1691
02:28:46,810 --> 02:28:51,210
So the way we've got that red line here is where the pipe would go John.

1692
02:28:51,450 --> 02:28:53,010
So this is over in front of the wine shop.

1693
02:28:53,130 --> 02:28:56,870
We would actually have to come out kind of and go right up the middle of the intersection there.

1694
02:28:56,870 --> 02:29:02,230
is what we do now. As we go further down, Magnolia kind of shifts to the right hand side.

1695
02:29:02,350 --> 02:29:08,430
Part of the cost here is there's existing utilities, there's a water line in that road,

1696
02:29:08,450 --> 02:29:12,530
there's a sewer line in that road and it's those are the things we know about. So it's

1697
02:29:12,530 --> 02:29:17,550
it's tight. We shouldn't, it doesn't look like we'd have to dig up. If we put the concrete

1698
02:29:17,550 --> 02:29:21,810
pillows in, we wouldn't have to dig those up to put the water line in. So in that sense,

1699
02:29:21,810 --> 02:29:24,990
the two projects can be separate.

1700
02:29:25,270 --> 02:29:31,130
That they could, other than we've got a little box right here because water comes down,

1701
02:29:31,250 --> 02:29:36,510
this curb right now and so, and maybe we could do something there, put a flume or something

1702
02:29:36,510 --> 02:29:38,350
underneath there to get that water out.

1703
02:29:38,990 --> 02:29:43,950
So, to your point, yes, I think you could go over on the Magnolia inside and do that and

1704
02:29:43,950 --> 02:29:47,010
put a stop sign there and I don't think it impacts the drainage project.

1705
02:29:47,010 --> 02:29:55,210
This one over here, I think maybe we could get creative with it and not have to dig it up again, but that would be the one spot

1706
02:29:55,990 --> 02:29:57,290
There may need to be some musicians.

1707
02:29:57,330 --> 02:29:59,970
Since you're separating and do you need to go out for the...

1708
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:02,740
Open bid or can you just go back out of the way you went before?

1709
02:30:03,100 --> 02:30:05,660
Since you now think the price would come down under five?

1710
02:30:05,960 --> 02:30:07,560
I would, well,

1711
02:30:09,920 --> 02:30:13,760
if we separate them, I would still do the full advertisement.

1712
02:30:14,360 --> 02:30:16,260
Because it gives it, then we're covered either way.

1713
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:19,160
If it comes in over under five hundred thousand dollars.

1714
02:30:20,140 --> 02:30:22,540
Sir, remind me, again, the last time I researched these roads.

1715
02:30:24,780 --> 02:30:31,300
We resurface Chinkopin in October, but we stopped right here in anticipation of this project.

1716
02:30:32,040 --> 02:30:33,920
Okay, so we did have the fourth thought of this.

1717
02:30:33,940 --> 02:30:34,560
Oh, yeah.

1718
02:30:34,880 --> 02:30:42,620
We resurfaced Chinkopin right before the US opened to put these parallel parking spaces in here and we stopped right here.

1719
02:30:42,640 --> 02:30:46,620
So you can actually go out there and look at it and it stopped here and it stopped here.

1720
02:30:47,080 --> 02:30:51,640
So we are not going to have to dig up any roads that we have just recently resurfaced.

1721
02:30:52,960 --> 02:30:54,220
That is correct.

1722
02:30:54,560 --> 02:30:54,700
Well done.

1723
02:30:55,160 --> 02:30:58,080
Now, Magnolia, I think Magnolia was resurfaced.

1724
02:30:59,040 --> 02:31:00,920
It was before I got here.

1725
02:31:01,040 --> 02:31:02,280
So I've been here five and a half years.

1726
02:31:02,400 --> 02:31:03,240
So it was before that.

1727
02:31:03,280 --> 02:31:04,560
It's not in terrible conditions.

1728
02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:05,980
Well, Mike, do you understand?

1729
02:31:06,380 --> 02:31:06,940
Well done.

1730
02:31:07,440 --> 02:31:09,700
Because this is something that some people would have missed.

1731
02:31:10,280 --> 02:31:15,580
And I'm glad that you caught this and have saved the village a lot of money.

1732
02:31:15,780 --> 02:31:16,260
So thank you.

1733
02:31:16,300 --> 02:31:16,820
You're welcome.

1734
02:31:18,710 --> 02:31:20,050
Are the questions for Mike?

1735
02:31:20,830 --> 02:31:22,930
We need a formal direction.

1736
02:31:22,930 --> 02:31:28,610
or I think if you're good with our recommendation to put it back out but separate it to where

1737
02:31:28,610 --> 02:31:33,650
we've got a price for the the islands and then an additional price to do the whole project

1738
02:31:33,650 --> 02:31:38,290
that's that's what I need we will put that out and we'll come back to you at some point

1739
02:31:39,070 --> 02:31:42,770
in the future with the options and how we're going to pay for it.

1740
02:31:43,110 --> 02:31:46,630
Consider you have a green light from the council. That's what I need to thank you very much.

1741
02:31:48,200 --> 02:31:57,680
All right, I am going to suggest we take a seven minute break on the calendar on the agenda.

1742
02:31:57,860 --> 02:31:58,880
You have other business than.

1743
02:31:58,980 --> 02:31:59,540
Oh, okay.

1744
02:31:59,540 --> 02:32:00,380
Move it to adjourn.

1745
02:32:00,960 --> 02:32:01,760
I have no other business.

1746
02:32:02,160 --> 02:32:03,120
I didn't think so.

1747
02:32:03,440 --> 02:32:04,200
I moved to adjourn.

1748
02:32:06,700 --> 02:32:09,260
I didn't think any of us had any other business at this point.

1749
02:32:09,680 --> 02:32:13,480
So we will take a motion.

1750
02:32:14,380 --> 02:32:15,840
I moved to adjourn the regular meeting.

1751
02:32:16,060 --> 02:32:16,340
Second.

1752
02:32:17,260 --> 02:32:20,580
So adopted the back in seven minutes, thank you.