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Brian Scott: Hope everybody's doing well.

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Our our chair is under the

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weather today, so we wish her

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the best and we hope that she

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feels better soon. So the moral

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of that story

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is you all are

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stuck with me. So if you would

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please rise and join me with

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pledge. I pledge allegiance to

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the flag of the United States

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of America and to the Republic

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for which it

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stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you for that. So let's go

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around the room and do some

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introductions, and we'll start

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over here with with my friend

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Mike.

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You. Yeah.

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>> Mike Eisner, Tarpon Springs,

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good afternoon. Yes, good

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afternoon to all. Thank you for

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allowing me here to share my

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ideas and thoughts.

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>> Good afternoon, Anne-Marie

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Brooks, mayor, Madeira Beach

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representing the beach

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communities.

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>> Good afternoon. Tom Reid,

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vice mayor of City of South

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Pasadena, representing PSTA.

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>> Good afternoon. Chris

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Johnson, vice mayor of City of

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Largo.

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>> Good afternoon, Council

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member Brandi Gabbard,

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representing the City of Saint

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Petersburg.

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>> Chris Scherer Pinellas

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County Commission.

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>> Good afternoon. Your

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executive director.

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>> Brian Scott, Pinellas County

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Commissioner.

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>> Tom Shelley, deputy mayor of

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Belleair and representing the

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North Inland communities.

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>> Good afternoon, Council

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member Mike Mannino, city of

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Clearwater.

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>> Council member Richie Floyd,

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city of Saint Petersburg.

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>> Mayor Karen Love of Gulfport,

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Florida, representing South

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inland communities.

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Brian Scott: Well, thank you, everybody

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for that. And I know Mayor Moe

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is on her way and will be

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joining us shortly. So with

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that, we'll move on to citizens

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to be heard. Tina, are there

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any

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citizens wishing to be

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heard on any items not already

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on the agenda for action by the

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board today?

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Tina Jablon: No, chair, there is not.

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Brian Scott: Okay. Thank you. Mayor Moe

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Welcome. Okay. Next we'll move

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on to the consent agenda. Does

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any board member wish to pull

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any item from the consent

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agenda? Hearing none. Do we

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have a motion?

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Chris Johnson: So moved.

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Brian Scott: Motion by Commissioner.

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Councilmember Gabbard. Second by. Okay,

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Vice Mayor Johnson. Okay. Any

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discussion? Hearing none. All

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in favor? Any opposed? Okay.

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Passes unanimously. Thank you

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very much.

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Tina Jablon: For the record, there were

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no citizens wishing to be heard

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on the consent agenda today.

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Brian Scott: Okay. Thank you.

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Okay. Now

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we will move on to our public

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hearing items. And the first

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one of that is we have item

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number five, A dash one, case

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CW26-08, City of Clearwater.

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And we do have two

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presentations on this item here.

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Good afternoon.

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Marcie Stenmark: Good afternoon, Marcie

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Stenmark with the Planning and

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Development Department. Before

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you is a proposed County-wide

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map amendment to the planned

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Redevelopment district within

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North Greenwood and the city

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has a companion future land use

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map amendment

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for the North

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Greenwood area. We've been

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asked to provide some

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information to you this

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afternoon regarding this

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amendment and the community

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engagement that has led to the

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amendment. Sorry.

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There we go.

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The overlay is was recommended

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by the North Greenwood CRA plan,

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which was a community led

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effort. The CRA plan was

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adopted in 2023 after extensive

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community engagement.

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outreach included property

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owner and occupant mailings and

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surveys. There were meetings

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and workshops and also

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roundtable meetings with the

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Faith Leadership Community

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several goals, including public

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safety, mobility, poverty

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reduction, housing

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affordability, quality of life

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and investing in use. I'm sorry,

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in youth.

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The CRA plan

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workshops included group table

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exercise, where participants

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talked about what types of

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redevelopment would fit and

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what kind of housing types they

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would like to see. The CRA plan

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also recommended a zoning tool

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th design guidelines to allow

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for more housing options such

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as duplexes, triplexes,

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townhomes and small apartments.

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create more choices so people

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can stay in the community as

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their needs changed, including

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seniors,

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young adults, families,

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renters and property owners.

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step process. We are currently

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working on action items one and

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two. One is a comprehensive

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plan amendment to establish the

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overlay and

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bonuses. The second

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is the Future Land Use Map

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amendment to apply the overlay.

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And that is where this meeting

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fits in. Today is an action

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items one and two. Because it

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requires a county wide

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countywide plan map amendment.

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a Community Development Code

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amendment and a zoning map

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overlay to apply design

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standards, because anyone who

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would wish to apply for the

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bonus would need to meet design

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standards for their new

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development. In

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2024, after the

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CRA plan was adopted, we held a

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series of meetings, including

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listening sessions, a kickoff

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meeting and a game of zones

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workshops where participants

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looked at different development

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types and talked about how many

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units might fit per acre due to

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the impacts of the

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hurricanes.

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paused to work on post-storm

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permitting, we have resumed

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work starting last winter, and

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part of our discussion at that

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time was, how did we want to

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move forward with the

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community's goals to allow

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people to age in place and

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provide more housing types? And

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it was decided, after much

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discussion by the staff and

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consultant team, that an

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overlay would be the

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appropriate land use tool

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moving forward. And that is

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because people can choose to

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opt into the overlay. Property

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equired to

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participate, and it provides

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flexibility for how they use

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their lot. Because it's a

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county wide amendment as well.

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A traffic study was prepared

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and we were evaluating the

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maximum potential build out. I

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wanted to mention that we don't

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expect that this area

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develop to the maximum

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potential, because it is an opt

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in system. Not everyone wishes

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to participate, and also we

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don't expect everyone to

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develop the maximum amount. The

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traffic study found that there

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would be an acceptable level of

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service on all roads that we

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studied, except for one

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on alternate US 19 and Myrtle

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transportation network would

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remain acceptable, and this is

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likely due to the unique and

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street grid and connected

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regarding the potential overlay,

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and we are proposing a bonus of

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up to 40 units per acre and a

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1.1 floor area ratio bonus for

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residential. So the residential

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bonus is up to 40 units. And

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1.1 floor area ratio. I wanted

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to note that the county wide

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plan allows for a maximum

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density of 45 units. And we're

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proposing 40 units. So what

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lower. And also the countywide

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plan allows a maximum floor

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area ratio of 2.0. And we're

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proposing a maximum of 1.1. I'm

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going to go through a series of

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maps to show you the CRA area,

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as well as the areas to be

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ed. And this is showing

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the CRA boundary which is over

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600 acres. We're going to be

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excluding the central business

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district area, which is at the

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already in the downtown old Bay

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character district and subject

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to those

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regulations, we will

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also be excluding water.

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Preservation, open space,

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transportation utility, and

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Pinellas County. There are

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classifications that would be

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I wanted to provide some

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information to you about the

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community meeting that we held

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on June the 30th. I also wanted

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to thank you very much for

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continuing the item on last

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month's agenda so we could have

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this meeting. The meeting was

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held at the North Greenwood

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Recreation Center, and we had

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approximately 50 people attend,

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not including staff. We also

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had several staff members and

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attendance staff from planning

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and development this year, and

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Economic Development Department

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presented informati

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on about the

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CRA plan, the ongoing

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implementation and the next

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steps. During the meeting, we

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provided the public hearing

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schedule, and we also promised

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we'd be back in September for

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some more community meetings

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about the upcoming Community

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Development Code, amendments

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and design standards, because

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we want to

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make sure that we

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are checking in with the

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community about those standards

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and that they could support

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them. How we're moving forward.

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I've been asked to share some

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information about the concerns

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that were raised during the

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meeting and how we responded,

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and I wanted to indicate that

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we heard from the community of

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a concern about increased

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property taxes. We did share

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some information there that we

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talked with the property

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appraiser. The overlay itself

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will not directly result in

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increased property taxes.

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However, the area is in a CRA

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area. It's a CRA. We're hoping

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for redevelopment and

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reinvestment. So over time

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those reinvestments may affect

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property values. There's also a

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Florida Save Our Homes program

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that limits how much the

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assessed value can be increased

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each year for homesteaded

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properties. There was a concern

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raised about the Marshall

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Street wastewater plant and if

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it can handle more development,

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and we mentioned that we

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recently did a water

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reclamation facility master

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plan, which calls for

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consolidation of the plants.

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There's also a concern raised

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regarding developers coming in

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and buying up property or

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gentrification. And we did talk

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about how the overlay is an opt

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in system. No one is required

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to participate. Property owners

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can choose if they wish to

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participate in the overlay. And

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also the CRA plan has a chapter

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and

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an equity statement that

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talks about reinvestment and

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redevelopment in the

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neighborhood and or in the area,

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and that gentrification can

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potentially occur over time and

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some at some level, because the

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area we're hoping for

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reinvestment and for

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redevelopmen

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t to occur. There

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was a question about impervious

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surface requirements and if

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they still apply, if a floor

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area ratio bonus is applied.

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And the answer is yes, we are

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not going to require an

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affordability requirement.

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Instead, we're going to be

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proposing

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a new mix of housing

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types that are not currently

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allowed today and encourage a

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diversity of housing types. And

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people were asking if their

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house burns down, could they

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rebuild based on current zoning?

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And the answer is yes. If it

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was non-conforming.

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We received

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some letters before today's

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meeting asking for a meeting

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with staff regarding concerns

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about anti displacement. We

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wanted to let you know that we

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will. We will be holding a

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meeting with the individual who

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requested the meeting to talk

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about those ideas,

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and I wanted

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to share with you the. We. We

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assessed the proposed amendment

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based on our Community

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Development code. We found that

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it meets the comprehensive plan,

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the county wide rules. It will

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not adversely affect the use of

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property in the area. There's

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sufficient public facilities

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and will not impact natural

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resources. Our next steps in

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the process include a county

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wide. I'm sorry. There's a CPA

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hearing on August the 11th, a

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City Council second reading on

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October the 1st, and then we

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will be having meetings with

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the community starting in

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September regarding the

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Community Development Code

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amendments. We anticipate

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finishing up those code

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amendments around February of

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next year, and I wanted to

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mention that they're all

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bundled together and that the

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overlay will not become

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effective until the Community

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Development Code amendments are

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passed. So the earliest that

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the overlay would be effective

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would be February of next year.

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Next, I would like to introduce

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Jesus Nino, our CRA director.

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He would like to provide some

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information to you about the

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CRA. Thank you.

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Brian Scott: Thank you Marcie.

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Jesus Nino: Good afternoon. Jesus Nino

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CRA, executive director for the

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City of Clearwater chair and

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board members, thank you for

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allowing me to speak. So

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first,

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I'd like to share briefly a

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little bit about the CRA

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perspective. So last night,

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which was July the 7th, the

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North Greenwood Community

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Redevelopment Area Citizens

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Advisory Committee took action

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on this particular item. So it

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was presented by staff to the

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CAC.

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And the unanimous

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unanimously voted for this

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particular initiative here to

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move it forward. In addition,

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the committee reaffirmed its

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support for the city's efforts

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to develop a local zoning

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overlay that does reflect the

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community's vision

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for North

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Greenwood. I'd also like to

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recognize the Clearwater Urban

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Leadership Coalition, who's

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here in the audience is also in

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support of this initiative. So

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this this amendment is the

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first step. It creates the

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foundation for future

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land use

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and zoning changes that do

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support the community's vision

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and help address long standing

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slum and blight conditions in

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the area. It also opens the

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door for projects like the

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recently approved The Grove,

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which is a mini container

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village in the North G

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reenwood

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area, which is led by the

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Clearwater Urban Leadership

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Coalition, also for new infill

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housing for future mixed use

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redevelopment along the Martin

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Luther King Junior Avenue

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corridor. And throughout this

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process, CRA staff, the

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Citizens Advisory Committee,

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residents, business owners and

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other property owners have

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worked together to try to move

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forward. The goal of the CRA in

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that area. So anything the CRA

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does CRA Staff Advisory

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Committee, we all work together

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to plan for that committee. We

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don't plan for them, we

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plan

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with them, and we collaborate.

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So those priorities are also

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reflected in the adopted. Like

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I mentioned, North Greenwood

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CRA plan. So this is a big tool

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that's going to help us move

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our vision forward to create a

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prosperous

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community. So from

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the perspective, today's action

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is about more than just land

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use designation. It's about

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creating a framework for

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redevelopment that reflects the

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community's vision. We believe

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that the best plans are created

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together, and our goal is

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simple to improve the community

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and create more opportunities

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for residents and businesses in

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North Greenwood. And thank you

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for the opportunity.

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Brian Scott: Thank you very much. Before

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we move on to the four

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panelists presentation, do we

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have any questions for either

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Jesus or Marcie?

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No. Okay. Move

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on to our next presentation.

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Good afternoon, Emma.

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Emma Wennick: Good afternoon. Thank you to

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City Clearwater staff for just

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giving a little bit more

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background on this. Before I

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dive into our county wide

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review for this case.

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Okay, so

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this case is a 461.5 proposed

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countywide plan map amendment.

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That's the acreage of the site.

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And this is within the North

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Greenwood Community

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Redevelopment area. And this

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amendment proposes to

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transition multiple existing

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countywide plan map categories

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to the planned Redevelopment

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District category, or PRD

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category. And the proposal is

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intended to establish a

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coordinated

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redevelopment

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framework. As the city

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mentioned. I did want to start

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with just kind of a broad

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overview of how a zoning

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overlay differs from base

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zoning. So basically, property

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owners within this overlay area

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that is being proposed can

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choose to develop over with the

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overlay standards or existing

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zoning regulation standards. So

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as Clearwater City staff

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mentioned, it is optional.

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So

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just a quick location depiction.

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This subject area is located

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within the North Greenwood

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Community Redevelopment area,

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and it's immediately north of

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downtown Clearwater.

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So again,

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the proposed amendment

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functions primarily as a

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redevelopment framework rather

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than direct development

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approval.

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And more importantly,

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the overlay operates as an

589
00:19:53,292 --> 00:19:54,665
incentive based framework. So

590
00:19:54,665 --> 00:19:56,584
future redevelopment projects

591
00:19:56,584 --> 00:19:58,984
would still require compliance

592
00:19:59,410 --> 00:20:01,441
with the comprehensive Plan

593
00:20:01,665 --> 00:20:02,665
amendments, community

594
00:20:02,665 --> 00:20:03,665
Development C

595
00:20:03,665 --> 00:20:05,250
ode standards, and

596
00:20:05,250 --> 00:20:07,650
qualifying design criteria. So

597
00:20:14,166 --> 00:20:15,875
this amendment comes to us as a

598
00:20:15,875 --> 00:20:17,000
tier two amendment. It's

599
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reviewed as a tier two

600
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amendment because it rep

601
00:20:19,665 --> 00:20:19,749
resents

602
00:20:19,749 --> 00:20:22,830
a substantive modification to

603
00:20:22,830 --> 00:20:23,875
the planning framework

604
00:20:23,875 --> 00:20:25,333
governing the North Greenwood

605
00:20:25,333 --> 00:20:27,665
CRA. And although this proposal

606
00:20:27,665 --> 00:20:29,665
does not directly approve

607
00:20:29,665 --> 00:20:30,833
specific development projects,

608
00:20:30,833 --> 00:20:32,584
it does establish a new

609
00:20:32,584 --> 00:20:33,916
countywide redevelopment

610
00:20:33,916 --> 00:20:35,458
structure intended to

611
00:20:35,458 --> 00:20:35,665
facilita

612
00:20:35,665 --> 00:20:36,791
te mixed use

613
00:20:36,791 --> 00:20:37,833
redevelopment and additional

614
00:20:37,833 --> 00:20:39,665
density and intensity through

615
00:20:39,665 --> 00:20:41,830
qualifying redevelopment

616
00:20:41,830 --> 00:20:43,483
standards. So the visual

617
00:20:46,625 --> 00:20:47,665
depiction of this this

618
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amendment would consolidate

619
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multiple existing countywide

620
00:20:50,208 --> 00:20:51,665
plan map categories into

621
00:20:51,665 --> 00:20:52,333
that

622
00:20:52,333 --> 00:20:54,375
PRD category, which is the

623
00:20:54,375 --> 00:20:57,975
purple that you see there. So

624
00:21:03,666 --> 00:21:05,665
the proposed overlay does

625
00:21:05,665 --> 00:21:07,542
establish the bonus density and

626
00:21:07,542 --> 00:21:08,749
intensity standards that are

627
00:21:08,749 --> 00:21:10,916
tied to the qualifying

628
00:21:10,916 --> 00:21:12,666
redevelopment projects. So just

629
00:21:12,666 --> 00:21:14,665
kind of reiterating what the

630
00:21:14,665 --> 00:21:16,665
city showed you. They're

631
00:21:16,665 --> 00:21:18,625
proposing residential densities

632
00:21:18,625 --> 00:21:22,166
up to 40 units per acre and

633
00:21:22,166 --> 00:21:24,566
nonresidential intensity up to

634
00:21:24,665 --> 00:21:26,708
1.05, and mixed use intensity

635
00:21:26,708 --> 00:21:30,333
up to 1.5. And I did want to

636
00:21:30,333 --> 00:21:31,292
show that, again, these

637
00:21:31,292 --> 00:21:33,958
standards do remain below the

638
00:21:33,958 --> 00:21:35,666
maximum thresholds for our

639
00:21:35,666 --> 00:21:37,292
countywide category for the

640
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planned redevelopment district.

641
00:21:47,665 --> 00:21:49,625
So consistency with our

642
00:21:49,625 --> 00:21:51,250
countywide rules. The proposal

643
00:21:51,250 --> 00:21:53,830
is supporting redevelopment

644
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:54,875
within an existing urbanized

645
00:21:54,875 --> 00:21:55,333
area tha

646
00:21:55,333 --> 00:21:57,458
t's already served by

647
00:21:57,458 --> 00:21:58,666
infrastructure, transit and

648
00:21:58,666 --> 00:22:00,665
public facilities. It also

649
00:22:00,665 --> 00:22:02,749
would support several adopted

650
00:22:02,749 --> 00:22:04,333
countywide strategies related

651
00:22:04,333 --> 00:22:06,333
to infill redevelopment,

652
00:22:06,458 --> 00:22:08,166
multimodal transportation,

653
00:22:08,166 --> 00:22:09,875
housing opportunity, and

654
00:22:09,875 --> 00:22:11,458
coordinated reinvestment as

655
00:22:11,458 --> 00:22:14,458
well. Touching a little bit

656
00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:18,875
more on the transportation

657
00:22:18,875 --> 00:22:20,333
impact analysis that the city

658
00:22:20,333 --> 00:22:22,875
did provide to us. It did

659
00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:24,000
identify an increase in

660
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,500
projected trips under the

661
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:27,665
maximum theoretical build out

662
00:22:27,665 --> 00:22:29,500
analysis, which did trigger

663
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:30,625
additional transportation

664
00:22:30,625 --> 00:22:31,665
review requirements that the

665
00:22:31,665 --> 00:22:33,375
city did complete and provide

666
00:22:33,375 --> 00:22:36,665
to us. So we considered this

667
00:22:36,665 --> 00:22:39,650
area. We considered the

668
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:41,830
surrounding strong multimodal

669
00:22:41,292 --> 00:22:42,458
characteristics. So that

670
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includes the t

671
00:22:43,830 --> 00:22:43,749
ransit services

672
00:22:43,749 --> 00:22:45,665
that do exist, including the

673
00:22:45,665 --> 00:22:47,665
Pinellas Trail. The city also

674
00:22:47,665 --> 00:22:49,625
has adopted a mobility

675
00:22:49,625 --> 00:22:50,833
management system that we took

676
00:22:50,833 --> 00:22:52,749
into account. This provides

677
00:22:52,749 --> 00:22:54,749
mechanisms for transportation

678
00:22:54,916 --> 00:22:57,166
mitigation, as well as project

679
00:22:57,166 --> 00:22:58,791
level reviews that would be

680
00:22:58,791 --> 00:22:59,000
requir

681
00:22:59,000 --> 00:22:59,875
ed as development

682
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proposals come forward to the

683
00:23:01,500 --> 00:23:05,100
city. Portions of this area are

684
00:23:11,208 --> 00:23:12,625
located within the coastal High

685
00:23:12,625 --> 00:23:15,125
Hazard area, so we did

686
00:23:15,125 --> 00:23:15,791
have our

687
00:23:15,791 --> 00:23:17,458
additional evaluation criteria

688
00:23:17,458 --> 00:23:20,125
that had to be met. So our

689
00:23:20,125 --> 00:23:22,125
staff evaluated evacuation

690
00:23:22,665 --> 00:23:24,458
access, shelter capacity and

691
00:23:24,458 --> 00:23:26,458
the potential population

692
00:23:26,833 --> 00:23:28,458
increase associated with the

693
00:23:28,458 --> 00:23:30,208
proposed overlay, while taking

694
00:23:30,208 --> 00:23:30,875
into account tha

695
00:23:30,875 --> 00:23:31,665
t it is an

696
00:23:31,665 --> 00:23:33,666
optional overlay. It's not a by

697
00:23:33,666 --> 00:23:36,660
right increase. So graphically

698
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,400
showing the shelter capacity

699
00:23:45,292 --> 00:23:47,410
analysis that we completed.

700
00:23:47,410 --> 00:23:47,749
So

701
00:23:47,749 --> 00:23:49,292
basically under theoretical

702
00:23:49,292 --> 00:23:50,665
maximum build out scenario. So

703
00:23:50,665 --> 00:23:53,665
this would be maximum build out

704
00:23:53,665 --> 00:23:56,410
occurred the projected shelter

705
00:23:56,410 --> 00:23:57,542
demand associated with the

706
00:23:57,542 --> 00:23:59,542
amendment does remain

707
00:23:59,666 --> 00:24:01,625
substantially below the

708
00:24:01,625 --> 00:24:02,665
available shelter capacity in

709
00:24:02,665 --> 00:24:03,333
the

710
00:24:03,333 --> 00:24:05,708
serving area. So based on

711
00:24:05,708 --> 00:24:07,833
the submitted analysis analysis,

712
00:24:07,833 --> 00:24:10,500
we found that there is

713
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:12,333
sufficient shelter capacity

714
00:24:12,333 --> 00:24:13,665
within the surrounding area

715
00:24:13,665 --> 00:24:15,830
that would be able to

716
00:24:15,830 --> 00:24:16,665
accommodate the projected

717
00:24:16,665 --> 00:24:18,458
increase in population at the

718
00:24:18,458 --> 00:24:18,665
maximum bui

719
00:24:18,665 --> 00:24:21,650
ld out. Staff finds

720
00:24:30,665 --> 00:24:32,208
this amendment consistent with

721
00:24:32,208 --> 00:24:33,916
the purpose and requirements of

722
00:24:33,916 --> 00:24:34,665
the planned

723
00:24:34,665 --> 00:24:35,125
Redevelopment

724
00:24:35,125 --> 00:24:36,125
District category. In the

725
00:24:36,125 --> 00:24:39,000
countywide rules, the area does

726
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,833
contain the interconnected mix

727
00:24:40,833 --> 00:24:43,542
of uses and urban development

728
00:24:43,542 --> 00:24:44,665
characteristics contemplated by

729
00:24:44,665 --> 00:24:46,665
the PRD category that we've

730
00:24:46,665 --> 00:24:47,665
established in the countywide

731
00:24:47,665 --> 00:24:49,665
rules.

732
00:24:54,665 --> 00:24:55,749
I did also just want to

733
00:24:55,749 --> 00:24:57,749
note that for Pinellas did

734
00:24:57,749 --> 00:24:59,665
receive some public comment,

735
00:24:59,665 --> 00:25:01,410
mainly in the forms of phone

736
00:25:01,410 --> 00:25:02,749
calls, emails, and written

737
00:25:02,749 --> 00:25:05,149
correspondence. Many of the

738
00:25:05,665 --> 00:25:06,665
conversations that I had

739
00:25:06,665 --> 00:25:07,625
were

740
00:25:07,625 --> 00:25:08,458
informational and focused on

741
00:25:08,458 --> 00:25:10,665
kind of understanding what the

742
00:25:10,665 --> 00:25:11,791
proposed overlay would do and

743
00:25:11,791 --> 00:25:13,292
what could potentially happen

744
00:25:13,292 --> 00:25:15,417
to their property, how it would

745
00:25:15,417 --> 00:25:16,916
affect individual properties,

746
00:25:16,916 --> 00:25:19,708
and the timeline for any future

747
00:25:19,708 --> 00:25:22,410
redevelopment as well. And then

748
00:25:22,410 --> 00:25:22,665
all of

749
00:25:22,665 --> 00:25:23,666
this public comment did

750
00:25:23,666 --> 00:25:25,958
result in Clearwater staff

751
00:25:25,958 --> 00:25:27,665
holding those additional public

752
00:25:27,665 --> 00:25:28,666
meetings that Marcy spoke about

753
00:25:28,666 --> 00:25:32,266
as well. So we'll just conclude

754
00:25:38,830 --> 00:25:38,749
here that we

755
00:25:38,749 --> 00:25:39,875
find the proposed

756
00:25:39,875 --> 00:25:42,000
amendment consistent with the

757
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,400
countywide rules and our

758
00:25:44,665 --> 00:25:46,500
strategies. We also found that

759
00:25:46,500 --> 00:25:48,166
the transportation impact and

760
00:25:48,166 --> 00:25:50,375
coastal high hazard area

761
00:25:50,375 --> 00:25:52,410
analysis could be adequately

762
00:25:52,410 --> 00:25:54,410
addressed through existing

763
00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:54,458
regula

764
00:25:54,458 --> 00:25:55,665
tory and mitigation

765
00:25:55,665 --> 00:25:56,666
frameworks that the city

766
00:25:56,666 --> 00:25:59,292
provided. So based on the

767
00:25:59,292 --> 00:26:01,692
submitted materials and our

768
00:26:01,749 --> 00:26:03,417
review, Forward Pinellas staff

769
00:26:03,417 --> 00:26:05,817
would recommend approval. And

770
00:26:07,958 --> 00:26:09,875
that's all that I had, and I'm

771
00:26:09,875 --> 00:26:10,500
open for

772
00:26:10,500 --> 00:26:11,665
questions now at this

773
00:26:11,665 --> 00:26:12,250
time.

774
00:26:12,250 --> 00:26:14,458
Brian Scott: Thank you. Emma, any

775
00:26:14,458 --> 00:26:16,858
questions for Emma? Mike.

776
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:20,833
Mike Eisner: So when this is done, do

777
00:26:20,833 --> 00:26:22,665
they also take into

778
00:26:22,665 --> 00:26:24,500
consideration whether the

779
00:26:24,500 --> 00:26:26,500
infrastructure can

780
00:26:26,958 --> 00:26:27,749
supply all

781
00:26:27,749 --> 00:26:30,333
of these extra locations, or is

782
00:26:30,333 --> 00:26:33,542
that too early in the process?

783
00:26:33,542 --> 00:26:35,417
Emma Wennick: So with Clearwater's review

784
00:26:35,417 --> 00:26:37,542
and as part of their CRA review,

785
00:26:37,542 --> 00:26:39,665
they do look at infrastructure

786
00:26:39,665 --> 00:26:40,916
capacity.

787
00:26:40,916 --> 00:26:42,500
Mike Eisner: Okay. The other question I

788
00:26:42,500 --> 00:26:44,958
had is when you put up the

789
00:26:44,958 --> 00:26:48,558
amount of shelter area in case

790
00:26:49,410 --> 00:26:51,708
of coastal high hazard, do they

791
00:26:51,708 --> 00:26:54,333
figure in other locations that

792
00:26:54,333 --> 00:26:57,333
also might be utilizing these

793
00:26:58,292 --> 00:26:59,417
locations? Because I know for a

794
00:26:59,417 --> 00:27:00,708
fact Tarpon Springs does not

795
00:27:00,708 --> 00:27:03,665
have any shelters. So they are

796
00:27:03,665 --> 00:27:05,584
counting on Palm Harbor and. ET

797
00:27:05,584 --> 00:27:07,500
cetera. ET cetera. So when when

798
00:27:07,500 --> 00:27:09,666
we see these results, this is

799
00:27:09,666 --> 00:27:11,665
just for Clearwater or is this

800
00:27:11,665 --> 00:27:13,791
for Clearwater? Plus whatever

801
00:27:13,791 --> 00:27:14,500
else

802
00:27:14,500 --> 00:27:15,833
could come in there in the

803
00:27:15,833 --> 00:27:17,666
event of a hurricane.

804
00:27:17,666 --> 00:27:20,665
Emma Wennick: So we did a, we drew

805
00:27:20,665 --> 00:27:23,830
basically a radius around the

806
00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:25,208
area of the North Greenwood

807
00:27:25,208 --> 00:27:26,417
location. And we took in all of

808
00:27:26,417 --> 00:27:28,830
those shelters into account.

809
00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:30,292
And we did a build

810
00:27:30,292 --> 00:27:32,292
out analysis

811
00:27:32,500 --> 00:27:34,916
based on the resources that we

812
00:27:34,916 --> 00:27:37,500
have, kind of that stated the

813
00:27:37,500 --> 00:27:38,665
numbers that potentially would

814
00:27:38,665 --> 00:27:41,166
go there if a hurricane event

815
00:27:41,166 --> 00:27:44,665
was to happen. And then we

816
00:27:44,665 --> 00:27:45,665
factored in the potential

817
00:27:45,665 --> 00:27:46,458
population

818
00:27:46,458 --> 00:27:48,458
increase of the

819
00:27:48,875 --> 00:27:51,250
numbers of the amendment. Does

820
00:27:51,250 --> 00:27:52,916
that answer your question?

821
00:27:52,916 --> 00:27:54,417
Mike Eisner: That's that's for the

822
00:27:54,417 --> 00:27:57,292
project, not for the other

823
00:27:57,292 --> 00:27:59,500
places that could come into

824
00:27:59,500 --> 00:27:59,833
shelter.

825
00:27:59,833 --> 00:28:01,916
Emma Wennick: So our numbers that we did

826
00:28:01,916 --> 00:28:03,666
the study with were based on

827
00:28:03,666 --> 00:28:05,666
the national hurricane.

828
00:28:09,125 --> 00:28:11,125
Evacuation information that's

829
00:28:11,333 --> 00:28:13,125
online. So we took those

830
00:28:13,125 --> 00:28:14,791
numbers and then we factored in,

831
00:28:14,791 --> 00:28:16,375
yes, North Greenwood's

832
00:28:16,375 --> 00:28:17,458
population increase.

833
00:28:17,458 --> 00:28:17,749
Mike Eisner: I rea

834
00:28:17,749 --> 00:28:19,875
lize there's no clear.

835
00:28:19,875 --> 00:28:21,830
Emma Wennick: Yeah, there's not an exact.

836
00:28:21,830 --> 00:28:22,875
It's a guesstimate.

837
00:28:22,875 --> 00:28:24,208
Mike Eisner: I know. Okay. Thank you.

838
00:28:24,208 --> 00:28:26,410
Emma Wennick: But as you can see, there's.

839
00:28:26,410 --> 00:28:26,417
It's a

840
00:28:26,417 --> 00:28:28,833
Lot plenty of space. Yes.

841
00:28:28,833 --> 00:28:31,666
Mike Eisner: That's where I'm going.

842
00:28:31,666 --> 00:28:33,833
Brian Scott: Oh, good. Mike.

843
00:28:33,833 --> 00:28:34,958
Okay.

844
00:28:34,958 --> 00:28:36,749
Mike Mannino: Thank you. I do have some

845
00:28:36,749 --> 00:28:38,250
comments to make. Not

846
00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:39,665
necessarily questions for staff.

847
00:28:39,665 --> 00:28:41,417
So I can hold that until the

848
00:28:41,417 --> 00:28:42,542
appropriate time. I don't want

849
00:28:42,542 --> 00:28:44,375
to take up any body else's time.

850
00:28:44,375 --> 00:28:45,749
If they had questions for staff.

851
00:28:45,749 --> 00:28:47,500
Brian Scott: I mean you can go now.

852
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:48,665
That's fine. Yeah, we'll go for

853
00:28:48,665 --> 00:28:50,333
you then we'll go to

854
00:28:50,333 --> 00:28:50,542
Richie.

855
00:28:50,542 --> 00:28:51,665
Okay.

856
00:28:51,665 --> 00:28:52,665
Mike Mannino: Perfect. Thank you.

857
00:28:52,665 --> 00:28:53,791
Richie Floyd: I want to hear what you.

858
00:28:53,791 --> 00:28:55,665
Mike Mannino: Thank you. I first wanted to

859
00:28:55,665 --> 00:28:57,584
thank this board for supporting

860
00:28:57,584 --> 00:28:59,208
the continuation of this item.

861
00:28:59,208 --> 00:29:00,875
I think that was an important

862
00:29:00,875 --> 00:29:03,500
decision to make. What it did

863
00:29:03,500 --> 00:29:05,665
was it gave our staff has been

864
00:29:05,665 --> 00:29:06,666
said a couple times a little

865
00:29:06,666 --> 00:29:09,665
more time to go back and sit in

866
00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:12,410
our community and do some

867
00:29:12,410 --> 00:29:14,410
additional engagement sessions

868
00:29:14,833 --> 00:29:16,665
with our Citizens Advisory

869
00:29:16,665 --> 00:29:17,791
Committee, as well as some of

870
00:29:17,791 --> 00:29:19,665
the community members that did

871
00:29:19,665 --> 00:29:22,650
have some opposition or

872
00:29:22,542 --> 00:29:24,542
concerns regarding this

873
00:29:24,665 --> 00:29:26,749
optional overlay district. So I,

874
00:29:26,749 --> 00:29:29,149
I appreciate this board's

875
00:29:30,500 --> 00:29:31,542
continuation. I appreciate our

876
00:29:31,542 --> 00:29:33,000
staff's willingness to get out

877
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,542
in the community again and make

878
00:29:34,542 --> 00:29:36,000
sure that engagement in those

879
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,625
deeper discussions

880
00:29:37,625 --> 00:29:38,333
were had,

881
00:29:38,333 --> 00:29:40,000
and I appreciate our North

882
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
Greenwood Redevelopment Area

883
00:29:42,292 --> 00:29:43,665
Citizens Advisory Board in

884
00:29:43,665 --> 00:29:45,665
those deeper discussions that

885
00:29:45,665 --> 00:29:47,333
they had. I think it's

886
00:29:47,333 --> 00:29:49,410
important in these processes

887
00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:52,333
that the the quality of the

888
00:29:52,333 --> 00:29:54,166
process is as important as the

889
00:29:54,166 --> 00:29:56,665
policy and ensuring that it's

890
00:29:56,665 --> 00:29:58,500
handled transparently, that

891
00:29:58,500 --> 00:30:00,292
it's handled with patience and

892
00:30:00,292 --> 00:30:02,708
that the process is handled

893
00:30:02,708 --> 00:30:04,208
respectfully. And I commend all

894
00:30:04,208 --> 00:30:05,665
staff members from Forward

895
00:30:05,665 --> 00:30:07,749
Pinellas City of Clearwater and

896
00:30:07,749 --> 00:30:09,749
our Citizens Advisory

897
00:30:10,292 --> 00:30:10,542
Community

898
00:30:10,542 --> 00:30:12,749
Board for for handling it that

899
00:30:12,749 --> 00:30:15,333
way. This one caught me a

900
00:30:15,333 --> 00:30:18,333
little bit off guard because

901
00:30:18,665 --> 00:30:20,000
our CRA in the Greenwood

902
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,208
community was, as it was noted,

903
00:30:22,208 --> 00:30:25,000
was formed in 2023, and it

904
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:25,665
wasn't

905
00:30:25,665 --> 00:30:27,208
driven by City of

906
00:30:27,208 --> 00:30:29,608
Clearwater staff. It wasn't

907
00:30:29,665 --> 00:30:32,665
driven by electeds. It was

908
00:30:33,375 --> 00:30:36,250
truly a community vision. And

909
00:30:36,250 --> 00:30:37,958
that community, our North

910
00:30:37,958 --> 00:30:39,958
Greenwood community, worked

911
00:30:40,208 --> 00:30:41,625
hard,

912
00:30:41,625 --> 00:30:43,208
worked hard for a number

913
00:30:43,208 --> 00:30:46,665
of years to ensure that it was.

914
00:30:46,665 --> 00:30:48,749
It was their vision and it was

915
00:30:48,749 --> 00:30:50,665
their direction and guidance

916
00:30:50,665 --> 00:30:52,458
for the future of our North

917
00:30:52,458 --> 00:30:53,708
Greenwood community, and that

918
00:30:53,708 --> 00:30:56,665
they had the adequate tools and

919
00:30:56,665 --> 00:30:57,500
not just

920
00:30:57,500 --> 00:30:58,791
for growth and

921
00:30:58,791 --> 00:31:00,665
development, but for

922
00:31:00,665 --> 00:31:02,666
protections. And a lot of these

923
00:31:02,666 --> 00:31:05,665
concerns that I see that have

924
00:31:05,665 --> 00:31:07,625
popped out since this overlay

925
00:31:07,625 --> 00:31:09,375
district was proposed, are a

926
00:31:09,375 --> 00:31:11,833
lot of the very concerns that

927
00:31:11,833 --> 00:31:13,665
are legit. I don't want

928
00:31:13,665 --> 00:31:13,666
to take

929
00:31:13,666 --> 00:31:15,166
away from the legitimacy of

930
00:31:15,166 --> 00:31:17,665
them. Those are fears and

931
00:31:17,665 --> 00:31:18,958
concerns when these things come

932
00:31:18,958 --> 00:31:20,208
about. But these are also fears

933
00:31:20,208 --> 00:31:22,608
and concerns that were

934
00:31:22,665 --> 00:31:25,650
discussed in deep lengths

935
00:31:25,166 --> 00:31:27,292
within our community for a

936
00:31:27,292 --> 00:31:29,830
number of years, which led up

937
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:33,283
to the creation of that CRA in

938
00:31:33,458 --> 00:31:34,958
2023. So I think some members

939
00:31:34,958 --> 00:31:36,500
of the community were kind of

940
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:37,665
caught off guard, like, we went

941
00:31:37,665 --> 00:31:38,665
through this, we've been

942
00:31:38,665 --> 00:31:39,791
through this, and now we're

943
00:31:39,791 --> 00:31:41,958
circling back. So I commend all

944
00:31:41,958 --> 00:31:43,625
sides for for having the

945
00:31:43,625 --> 00:31:44,749
patience to kind of go back

946
00:31:44,749 --> 00:31:45,665
over it,

947
00:31:45,665 --> 00:31:46,458
walk back through it

948
00:31:46,458 --> 00:31:48,166
and get a better understanding

949
00:31:48,166 --> 00:31:50,333
for it. I think at the end of

950
00:31:50,333 --> 00:31:51,500
the day, there are some

951
00:31:51,500 --> 00:31:53,916
important things with it. It's

952
00:31:53,916 --> 00:31:55,542
optional. This isn't required.

953
00:31:55,542 --> 00:31:57,542
I think that's an important

954
00:31:57,542 --> 00:31:59,665
distinction. I think it's also

955
00:31:59,665 --> 00:32:00,666
important to acknowledge a

956
00:32:00,666 --> 00:32:00,958
couple

957
00:32:00,958 --> 00:32:02,625
of things. This does not

958
00:32:02,625 --> 00:32:03,916
force density increases in our

959
00:32:03,916 --> 00:32:05,665
North Greenwood community. This

960
00:32:05,665 --> 00:32:08,650
does not remove residential

961
00:32:08,333 --> 00:32:10,410
protections, which is very

962
00:32:10,410 --> 00:32:11,665
important in our community. And

963
00:32:11,665 --> 00:32:14,650
it doesn't override homestead

964
00:32:14,458 --> 00:32:15,791
rights. And I think those are

965
00:32:15,791 --> 00:32:17,665
all very important

966
00:32:17,665 --> 00:32:18,666
components

967
00:32:18,666 --> 00:32:21,875
to this amendment. I know my

968
00:32:21,875 --> 00:32:23,458
myself, I'm going to fall right

969
00:32:23,458 --> 00:32:24,749
in line with our city staff,

970
00:32:24,749 --> 00:32:26,292
with our North Greenwood

971
00:32:26,292 --> 00:32:27,665
Redevelopment Area Citizens

972
00:32:27,665 --> 00:32:29,665
Advisory Board, with our

973
00:32:29,665 --> 00:32:30,875
Clearwater Urban Leadership

974
00:32:30,875 --> 00:32:32,417
Coalition, as well as with

975
00:32:32,417 --> 00:32:33,410
Forward

976
00:32:33,410 --> 00:32:33,749
Pinellas. And I think

977
00:32:33,749 --> 00:32:35,250
this this amendment should be

978
00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:37,250
unanimously approved going

979
00:32:37,500 --> 00:32:38,833
forward because it is a big

980
00:32:38,833 --> 00:32:40,665
benefit to the future of our

981
00:32:40,665 --> 00:32:42,500
North Greenwood community. So

982
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:44,250
thank you.

983
00:32:44,250 --> 00:32:46,417
Brian Scott: Thank you, Mike. Richie.

984
00:32:46,417 --> 00:32:48,208
Richie Floyd: Thank you. Thanks for that

985
00:32:48,208 --> 00:32:49,665
context.

986
00:32:49,665 --> 00:32:50,665
You know, whenever we

987
00:32:50,665 --> 00:32:54,265
have cases like this, you I

988
00:32:55,458 --> 00:32:58,665
always view my goal as like

989
00:32:58,665 --> 00:33:00,830
determining where legitimate

990
00:33:00,830 --> 00:33:02,483
concerns are, mitigating them,

991
00:33:02,875 --> 00:33:04,708
eliminating them if possible,

992
00:33:04,708 --> 00:33:07,292
and then weighing and then

993
00:33:07,292 --> 00:33:08,125
determining if it's something

994
00:33:08,125 --> 00:33:09,125
that could actually have a

995
00:33:09,125 --> 00:33:10,250
negative impact on people. And

996
00:33:10,250 --> 00:33:12,125
I think we've done a good job

997
00:33:12,125 --> 00:33:15,725
of that. My one question is,

998
00:33:16,665 --> 00:33:17,708
and I don't know, it might be

999
00:33:17,708 --> 00:33:19,665
more appropriate for the city,

1000
00:33:19,665 --> 00:33:21,333
but

1001
00:33:21,333 --> 00:33:23,733
is there information on.

1002
00:33:27,830 --> 00:33:29,665
Homeownership rates in the area

1003
00:33:29,665 --> 00:33:32,665
that could be provided? Because.

1004
00:33:34,292 --> 00:33:35,665
If you own a home here like

1005
00:33:35,665 --> 00:33:36,665
this is no

1006
00:33:36,665 --> 00:33:37,584
problem at all. But

1007
00:33:37,584 --> 00:33:39,417
if you're a renter and all of a

1008
00:33:39,417 --> 00:33:41,292
sudden the property you live in

1009
00:33:41,292 --> 00:33:42,665
is much more valuable as

1010
00:33:42,665 --> 00:33:44,958
redeveloped, that can lead to

1011
00:33:44,958 --> 00:33:47,166
displacement. And I haven't

1012
00:33:47,166 --> 00:33:49,665
heard about mitigation for that

1013
00:33:49,665 --> 00:33:51,500
aspect of it, so I didn't know

1014
00:33:51,500 --> 00:33:52,665
if anyone could p

1015
00:33:52,665 --> 00:33:53,333
rovide any

1016
00:33:53,333 --> 00:33:55,333
context for that.

1017
00:33:56,833 --> 00:33:58,665
Emma Wennick: I don't have those homeowner

1018
00:33:58,665 --> 00:34:00,584
numbers for City of Clearwater

1019
00:34:00,584 --> 00:34:03,000
offhand right now. I will the

1020
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,000
city to speak on that.

1021
00:34:09,166 --> 00:34:09,584
Or we

1022
00:34:09,584 --> 00:34:11,333
can get back to you on that.

1023
00:34:11,333 --> 00:34:13,625
Richie Floyd: Yeah. I ask because, you

1024
00:34:13,625 --> 00:34:15,665
know, we have communities in

1025
00:34:15,665 --> 00:34:19,166
Saint Pete that want to see

1026
00:34:19,166 --> 00:34:20,500
certain things get done and

1027
00:34:20,500 --> 00:34:21,958
open themselves up for

1028
00:34:21,958 --> 00:34:22,749
investment. But there's

1029
00:34:22,749 --> 00:34:24,749
concerns because

1030
00:34:24,875 --> 00:34:25,666
like a portion

1031
00:34:25,666 --> 00:34:28,166
of the community might be 80%

1032
00:34:28,166 --> 00:34:29,749
renters and, you know, rezoning

1033
00:34:29,749 --> 00:34:32,375
that area would probably imply

1034
00:34:32,375 --> 00:34:33,666
that a lot of those people

1035
00:34:33,666 --> 00:34:35,125
would be displaced. And so and

1036
00:34:35,125 --> 00:34:37,208
I'm not opposed to still

1037
00:34:37,208 --> 00:34:38,665
opening areas up for

1038
00:34:38,665 --> 00:34:39,375
redevelopment and doing

1039
00:34:39,375 --> 00:34:40,665
overlays and stuff like that

1040
00:34:40,665 --> 00:34:41,666
because of it. Just usually

1041
00:34:41,666 --> 00:34:43,665
want to see that aspect of it

1042
00:34:43,665 --> 00:34:45,000
mitigated as best as we can.

1043
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,666
And so that's why I was hoping

1044
00:34:46,666 --> 00:34:49,666
to get context for that.

1045
00:34:52,208 --> 00:34:54,208
>> Gotcha.

1046
00:35:00,625 --> 00:35:01,875
Lauren Matzke: Good afternoon. Lauren

1047
00:35:01,875 --> 00:35:02,665
Matzke, planning and

1048
00:35:02,665 --> 00:35:04,125
development. I went old school

1049
00:35:04,125 --> 00:35:06,000
and brought my book, so it took

1050
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,500
me a few minutes to flip, but I

1051
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:10,665
brought the CRA plan itself. So

1052
00:35:10,665 --> 00:35:12,708
this would be the data and an

1053
00:35:12,708 --> 00:35:15,108
analysis piece from around 2023.

1054
00:35:15,665 --> 00:35:17,749
And at that time, approximately

1055
00:35:17,749 --> 00:35:19,292
35% of the residential

1056
00:35:19,292 --> 00:35:21,410
properties are owner occupied,

1057
00:35:21,410 --> 00:35:22,625
according to the homestead

1058
00:35:22,625 --> 00:35:24,665
exemption data published by the

1059
00:35:24,665 --> 00:35:26,458
PCPA when looking at only

1060
00:35:26,458 --> 00:35:27,791
single family residential units,

1061
00:35:27,791 --> 00:35:29,292
about

1062
00:35:29,292 --> 00:35:31,410
47% are owner occupied.

1063
00:35:31,410 --> 00:35:33,000
This indicates that about 65%

1064
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,542
of all residential units and

1065
00:35:35,542 --> 00:35:37,250
53% of single family

1066
00:35:37,250 --> 00:35:38,665
residential units in the CRA

1067
00:35:38,665 --> 00:35:40,830
are renter occupied, so there

1068
00:35:40,830 --> 00:35:41,791
is a higher percentage of

1069
00:35:41,791 --> 00:35:44,410
renter occupied to homeowner

1070
00:35:44,410 --> 00:35:44,166
oc

1071
00:35:44,166 --> 00:35:44,708
cupied.

1072
00:35:44,708 --> 00:35:46,665
Richie Floyd: And has any consideration

1073
00:35:46,665 --> 00:35:48,417
been given to mitigate, like

1074
00:35:48,417 --> 00:35:50,166
the effect of the large

1075
00:35:50,166 --> 00:35:51,292
financial incentive, you might

1076
00:35:51,292 --> 00:35:53,000
have to redevelop your property.

1077
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,665
Once an overlay would go

1078
00:35:55,665 --> 00:35:56,292
through.

1079
00:35:56,292 --> 00:35:58,410
Lauren Matzke: So some of the conversations

1080
00:35:58,410 --> 00:36:00,250
that we've been having are,

1081
00:36:00,250 --> 00:36:00,375
you

1082
00:36:00,375 --> 00:36:01,458
know, the partnership, of

1083
00:36:01,458 --> 00:36:03,125
course, with the CRA and the

1084
00:36:03,125 --> 00:36:05,417
Citizens Advisory Committee in

1085
00:36:05,417 --> 00:36:07,708
terms of their role, helping

1086
00:36:07,708 --> 00:36:09,916
prioritize the strategies as

1087
00:36:09,916 --> 00:36:12,625
more tax increment comes in. So

1088
00:36:12,625 --> 00:36:14,333
I wouldn't want to speak to

1089
00:36:14,333 --> 00:36:16,125
exactly what the CRA itself

1090
00:36:16,125 --> 00:36:16,250
has

1091
00:36:16,250 --> 00:36:18,708
in mind for that. But certainly

1092
00:36:18,708 --> 00:36:20,542
with all of the dialog that's

1093
00:36:20,542 --> 00:36:22,830
taken place over the last month

1094
00:36:22,830 --> 00:36:24,458
or so, it's it's definitely

1095
00:36:24,458 --> 00:36:25,749
become apparent that we need to

1096
00:36:25,749 --> 00:36:27,708
be having those conversations.

1097
00:36:27,708 --> 00:36:29,208
We just respectfully think, you

1098
00:36:29,208 --> 00:36:30,665
know, that's a different piece

1099
00:36:30,665 --> 00:36:31,916
to this, but still

1100
00:36:31,916 --> 00:36:32,958
an important

1101
00:36:32,958 --> 00:36:33,333
piece.

1102
00:36:33,333 --> 00:36:35,584
Richie Floyd: Yeah, I agree that the it's

1103
00:36:35,584 --> 00:36:37,333
definitely a good place, a good

1104
00:36:37,333 --> 00:36:39,410
thing for the CRA to tackle.

1105
00:36:39,410 --> 00:36:40,875
But, you know, you bring a plan

1106
00:36:40,875 --> 00:36:42,375
forward that could potentially

1107
00:36:42,375 --> 00:36:44,830
amplify displacement of people.

1108
00:36:44,830 --> 00:36:45,666
Like it's going to be part of

1109
00:36:45,666 --> 00:36:47,458
the conversation.

1110
00:36:47,458 --> 00:36:47,958
Jesus Nino: Again,

1111
00:36:47,958 --> 00:36:48,749
you know, CR

1112
00:36:48,749 --> 00:36:50,208
Executive Director for the City

1113
00:36:50,208 --> 00:36:52,830
of Clearwater. And I hear loud

1114
00:36:52,830 --> 00:36:53,584
and clear, like South Saint

1115
00:36:53,584 --> 00:36:54,916
Pete, you know, we do have

1116
00:36:54,916 --> 00:36:55,958
programs in place where we're

1117
00:36:55,958 --> 00:36:56,833
always trying to help

1118
00:36:56,833 --> 00:36:58,625
individuals improve their

1119
00:36:58,625 --> 00:36:59,916
existing homes, especially

1120
00:36:59,916 --> 00:37:01,000
individuals that are

1121
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,250
homesteaded so they can stay

1122
00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:03,833
there. We actually even

1123
00:37:03,833 --> 00:37:04,665
put in

1124
00:37:04,665 --> 00:37:05,749
incentives for individuals that

1125
00:37:05,749 --> 00:37:07,542
have been there a long time to

1126
00:37:07,542 --> 00:37:08,833
stay there. But we also work

1127
00:37:08,833 --> 00:37:10,665
very closely with our housing

1128
00:37:10,665 --> 00:37:12,665
division to for down payment

1129
00:37:12,665 --> 00:37:13,665
assistance programs, because we

1130
00:37:13,665 --> 00:37:14,665
do want to encourage

1131
00:37:14,665 --> 00:37:16,500
individuals to buy their homes

1132
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:18,417
there. But we are very new CRA.

1133
00:37:18,417 --> 00:37:19,708
So we're trying to we're tryin

1134
00:37:19,708 --> 00:37:19,791
g

1135
00:37:19,791 --> 00:37:21,584
to learn from places like South

1136
00:37:21,584 --> 00:37:23,665
Saint Pete, East Tampa, other

1137
00:37:23,665 --> 00:37:25,166
places around Florida, so we

1138
00:37:25,166 --> 00:37:26,625
can help those individuals stay

1139
00:37:26,625 --> 00:37:27,665
in those communities and

1140
00:37:27,665 --> 00:37:29,000
actually become homeowners.

1141
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,292
Richie Floyd: Yeah, I appreciate that. You

1142
00:37:31,292 --> 00:37:32,958
could learn some from us. You

1143
00:37:32,958 --> 00:37:34,666
could learn some of what not to

1144
00:37:34,666 --> 00:37:35,665
do from us as

1145
00:37:35,665 --> 00:37:36,665
well, because I

1146
00:37:36,665 --> 00:37:37,833
think we could have done a much

1147
00:37:37,833 --> 00:37:39,666
better job. So I'll give you

1148
00:37:39,666 --> 00:37:40,791
that caveat, but okay. All

1149
00:37:40,791 --> 00:37:42,665
right. I'll leave it there for

1150
00:37:42,665 --> 00:37:43,791
now. Thank you.

1151
00:37:43,791 --> 00:37:45,833
Lauren Matzke: Sorry if I, if I may add, I

1152
00:37:45,833 --> 00:37:47,125
won't find the right page, but

1153
00:37:47,125 --> 00:37:48,916
I would like to mention a lot

1154
00:37:48,916 --> 00:37:50,791
of what came up in the

1155
00:37:50,791 --> 00:37:51,749
development of the CRA

1156
00:37:51,749 --> 00:37:51,916
plan,

1157
00:37:51,916 --> 00:37:53,791
which I was part of as well,

1158
00:37:53,791 --> 00:37:55,417
was just the, especially the

1159
00:37:55,417 --> 00:37:56,584
current opportunity being that

1160
00:37:56,584 --> 00:37:58,665
there's so many vacant parcels.

1161
00:37:58,665 --> 00:38:00,665
So when we talk about that, it

1162
00:38:00,665 --> 00:38:02,791
not being built out to its

1163
00:38:02,791 --> 00:38:04,375
maximum development potential,

1164
00:38:04,375 --> 00:38:06,665
we are still hoping that those,

1165
00:38:06,665 --> 00:38:07,665
you know, vacanci

1166
00:38:07,665 --> 00:38:09,665
es that exist

1167
00:38:09,666 --> 00:38:11,333
throughout the area will start

1168
00:38:11,333 --> 00:38:13,665
to fill in because, you know,

1169
00:38:13,665 --> 00:38:15,830
that's, that's also, you know,

1170
00:38:15,830 --> 00:38:16,665
can be perceived as a detriment

1171
00:38:16,665 --> 00:38:18,665
to the community itself. I'm

1172
00:38:18,665 --> 00:38:21,665
trying to flip, I found it,

1173
00:38:21,665 --> 00:38:23,665
sorry, I totally s

1174
00:38:23,665 --> 00:38:24,410
hould start

1175
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:26,441
bringing my laptop. So

1176
00:38:27,333 --> 00:38:28,542
according to the property

1177
00:38:28,542 --> 00:38:30,208
Appraiser's data, there were

1178
00:38:30,208 --> 00:38:32,375
350 vacant parcels within the

1179
00:38:32,375 --> 00:38:34,775
CRA comprising 4949.7 acres, or

1180
00:38:37,791 --> 00:38:40,191
8.2% of the CRA area.

1181
00:38:40,665 --> 00:38:41,665
Admittedly, some of those are

1182
00:38:41,665 --> 00:38:43,833
city owned. And so with these

1183
00:38:43,833 --> 00:38:45,665
changes, that gives us the the

1184
00:38:45,665 --> 00:38:47,166
ability to work with the

1185
00:38:47,166 --> 00:38:48,833
partners that we have long

1186
00:38:48,833 --> 00:38:50,665
established to, to help, you

1187
00:38:50,665 --> 00:38:52,665
know, lead by example with the

1188
00:38:52,665 --> 00:38:54,000
type of development that we

1189
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,625
know that the the community

1190
00:38:55,625 --> 00:38:55,749
has

1191
00:38:55,749 --> 00:38:57,166
expressed an interest in

1192
00:38:57,166 --> 00:38:58,665
particularly specifically

1193
00:38:58,665 --> 00:39:01,830
starting to reinvest in the

1194
00:39:01,830 --> 00:39:03,333
Martin Luther King corridor,

1195
00:39:03,333 --> 00:39:04,458
rebuilding the historic main

1196
00:39:04,458 --> 00:39:06,858
street. That's been clearly

1197
00:39:06,875 --> 00:39:08,665
expressed as important to the

1198
00:39:08,665 --> 00:39:09,666
community.

1199
00:39:09,666 --> 00:39:11,584
Richie Floyd: Yeah, that's totally

1200
00:39:11,584 --> 00:39:13,584
fair.

1201
00:39:14,830 --> 00:39:15,916
And yeah, we have the same

1202
00:39:15,916 --> 00:39:17,417
thing going on with like vacant

1203
00:39:17,417 --> 00:39:18,708
parcels, but some of that

1204
00:39:18,708 --> 00:39:20,250
speculation as to how much more

1205
00:39:20,250 --> 00:39:21,250
valuable their property might

1206
00:39:21,250 --> 00:39:22,542
be in the future based off us

1207
00:39:22,542 --> 00:39:24,250
doing things like that. So

1208
00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:25,875
doing things like this. So but

1209
00:39:25,875 --> 00:39:27,375
yeah, I mean, I think, you

1210
00:39:27,375 --> 00:39:28,166
know,

1211
00:39:28,166 --> 00:39:29,916
obviously I would say I'm

1212
00:39:29,916 --> 00:39:31,458
supportive of us moving

1213
00:39:31,458 --> 00:39:32,749
something like this forward. I

1214
00:39:32,749 --> 00:39:35,333
just want to make sure that

1215
00:39:35,333 --> 00:39:38,875
there's a plan for people who,

1216
00:39:38,875 --> 00:39:41,875
you know, rent and, and maybe

1217
00:39:41,875 --> 00:39:43,292
push out because of that. Y

1218
00:39:43,292 --> 00:39:43,958
eah,

1219
00:39:43,958 --> 00:39:45,666
yeah, just that there's

1220
00:39:45,666 --> 00:39:46,791
mitigation, same as any other

1221
00:39:46,791 --> 00:39:47,958
topic that we've talked about

1222
00:39:47,958 --> 00:39:49,375
that we're mitigating as best

1223
00:39:49,375 --> 00:39:50,542
as we can. Sure.

1224
00:39:50,542 --> 00:39:53,542
Lauren Matzke: The oh, never mind. I lost

1225
00:39:53,542 --> 00:39:54,665
my train of thought. It's okay.

1226
00:39:54,665 --> 00:39:55,375
Sorry.

1227
00:39:55,375 --> 00:39:56,542
Richie Floyd: I understand where you all

1228
00:39:56,542 --> 00:39:58,500
are coming from. So I feel good.

1229
00:39:58,500 --> 00:39:59,375
So I'm good.

1230
00:39:59,375 --> 00:40:00,625
Lauren Matzke: Yeah. Sorry I apologize.

1231
00:40:00,625 --> 00:40:02,375
What I wanted to say was

1232
00:40:02,375 --> 00:40:03,375
also something that was

1233
00:40:03,375 --> 00:40:04,625
important. Marcie had touched on

1234
00:40:04,625 --> 00:40:06,333
it, you know, post-storm where

1235
00:40:06,333 --> 00:40:07,916
we regrouped with our team and

1236
00:40:07,916 --> 00:40:09,665
part of the reason for doing

1237
00:40:09,665 --> 00:40:11,125
the overlay, but specifically

1238
00:40:11,125 --> 00:40:13,500
an optional overlay was, was to

1239
00:40:13,500 --> 00:40:15,250
help reduce, you know, the

1240
00:40:15,250 --> 00:40:17,500
potential for that speculation

1241
00:40:17,500 --> 00:40:19,250
the city worked with for

1242
00:40:19,250 --> 00:40:21,458
Pinellas in 2015 and did a

1243
00:40:21,458 --> 00:40:23,208
wholesale rezoning of our U.S.

1244
00:40:23,208 --> 00:40:25,208
19 corridor. Different

1245
00:40:26,410 --> 00:40:28,665
everything about that. But we

1246
00:40:28,665 --> 00:40:30,000
immediately saw that the

1247
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,410
speculation went up, the pri

1248
00:40:31,410 --> 00:40:31,166
ces

1249
00:40:31,166 --> 00:40:32,665
for those properties went up,

1250
00:40:32,665 --> 00:40:34,708
and we were aware of that, you

1251
00:40:34,708 --> 00:40:36,625
know, being something we did

1252
00:40:36,625 --> 00:40:38,958
not want to encourage in this

1253
00:40:38,958 --> 00:40:40,708
area. The other part that I

1254
00:40:40,708 --> 00:40:43,708
would say is. We've talked

1255
00:40:44,830 --> 00:40:45,666
about, you know, residential,

1256
00:40:45,666 --> 00:40:48,000
commercial and mixed use,

1257
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,125
and

1258
00:40:48,125 --> 00:40:49,500
it was touched on the

1259
00:40:49,500 --> 00:40:50,665
importance for us to protect

1260
00:40:50,665 --> 00:40:53,410
our our primarily residential

1261
00:40:53,410 --> 00:40:54,458
areas. And the overlay also

1262
00:40:54,458 --> 00:40:55,916
allows us to do that because at

1263
00:40:55,916 --> 00:40:57,791
the at the zoning level, we'll

1264
00:40:57,791 --> 00:40:59,791
be able to fine tune those

1265
00:40:59,791 --> 00:41:01,410
boundaries with the community

1266
00:41:01,410 --> 00:41:02,665
as part of our community

1267
00:41:02,665 --> 00:41:03,000
outreach

1268
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:04,916
and have a mixed use

1269
00:41:04,916 --> 00:41:06,665
area, a residential only area,

1270
00:41:06,665 --> 00:41:09,665
and then the commercial area.

1271
00:41:10,665 --> 00:41:13,166
And that way we can continue to

1272
00:41:13,166 --> 00:41:15,665
to maintain, you know, this

1273
00:41:15,665 --> 00:41:18,625
area is largely residential. So

1274
00:41:18,625 --> 00:41:18,833
when we w

1275
00:41:18,833 --> 00:41:19,833
orked through the game

1276
00:41:19,833 --> 00:41:21,830
of zones with the community, it

1277
00:41:21,830 --> 00:41:23,250
became very clear the scale of

1278
00:41:23,250 --> 00:41:24,665
development that they want is

1279
00:41:24,665 --> 00:41:26,584
more compatible with more of a

1280
00:41:26,584 --> 00:41:27,665
single family home. In the

1281
00:41:27,665 --> 00:41:28,665
planning world, we talk

1282
00:41:28,665 --> 00:41:30,542
sometimes about gentle density

1283
00:41:30,542 --> 00:41:31,665
or, you know, things that just

1284
00:41:31,665 --> 00:41:33,542
fit in the missing middle type

1285
00:41:33,542 --> 00:41:34,665
of housing. And we wanted to

1286
00:41:34,665 --> 00:41:34,749
reaffirm

1287
00:41:34,749 --> 00:41:35,708
that vision with them.

1288
00:41:35,708 --> 00:41:37,665
And that's where we brought the,

1289
00:41:37,665 --> 00:41:39,542
the, the models and help place

1290
00:41:39,542 --> 00:41:40,666
buildings. And it was very

1291
00:41:40,666 --> 00:41:42,000
clear that the desire was, you

1292
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,830
know, two, three units, maybe

1293
00:41:44,830 --> 00:41:46,166
not. They reaffirmed that they

1294
00:41:46,166 --> 00:41:49,166
do not want wholesale larger

1295
00:41:49,542 --> 00:41:50,666
complexes despite whate

1296
00:41:50,666 --> 00:41:51,000
ver kind

1297
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:52,417
of ownership, condominium or

1298
00:41:52,417 --> 00:41:53,458
apartment rental, you know,

1299
00:41:53,458 --> 00:41:55,208
within the community because it

1300
00:41:55,208 --> 00:41:56,375
breaks apart the fabric that

1301
00:41:56,375 --> 00:41:58,417
they have. So those are all the

1302
00:41:58,417 --> 00:41:59,500
things that we're going to

1303
00:41:59,500 --> 00:42:01,000
continue to work towards. So

1304
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,458
ideally, we will end up with

1305
00:42:02,458 --> 00:42:03,542
that mix of rental and

1306
00:42:03,542 --> 00:42:04,665
continued home ownership

1307
00:42:04,665 --> 00:42:06,375
because home ownership is also

1308
00:42:06,375 --> 00:42:07,410
important. But the

1309
00:42:07,410 --> 00:42:07,500
displacement

1310
00:42:07,500 --> 00:42:08,833
back to the very original part

1311
00:42:08,833 --> 00:42:12,830
is, is, is in our, in our game

1312
00:42:12,830 --> 00:42:13,833
plan to continue to work on.

1313
00:42:13,833 --> 00:42:15,833
Okay. Thank you.

1314
00:42:17,584 --> 00:42:18,584
Brian Scott: Mike. And then.

1315
00:42:18,584 --> 00:42:19,665
Mike Mannino: Thank you, Chair. Thank you.

1316
00:42:19,665 --> 00:42:22,208
Staff Council member does bring

1317
00:42:22,208 --> 00:42:22,791
up great

1318
00:42:22,791 --> 00:42:24,665
points. And I think we.

1319
00:42:24,665 --> 00:42:26,166
This is probably the perfect

1320
00:42:26,166 --> 00:42:27,916
time to acknowledge the fact

1321
00:42:27,916 --> 00:42:30,916
that those very concerns are

1322
00:42:31,208 --> 00:42:33,665
part of what drove that

1323
00:42:33,665 --> 00:42:36,665
community vision. And they were

1324
00:42:36,875 --> 00:42:38,665
seeing the location, t

1325
00:42:38,665 --> 00:42:39,830
he

1326
00:42:39,830 --> 00:42:40,875
geographic location of their

1327
00:42:40,875 --> 00:42:42,665
community is just on the

1328
00:42:42,665 --> 00:42:43,791
outskirts of downtown. They

1329
00:42:43,791 --> 00:42:45,958
were seeing hundreds and

1330
00:42:45,958 --> 00:42:47,708
hundreds of millions of dollars

1331
00:42:47,708 --> 00:42:49,833
being dumped into developing

1332
00:42:49,833 --> 00:42:51,333
downtown. And we know what

1333
00:42:51,333 --> 00:42:52,708
developments ripple effect does.

1334
00:42:52,708 --> 00:42:54,665
It's also just down the

1335
00:42:54,665 --> 00:42:56,375
corridor attached to the water

1336
00:42:56,375 --> 00:42:58,125
and a Marina. There's a

1337
00:42:58,125 --> 00:42:59,250
beautiful Pinellas Trail system

1338
00:42:59,250 --> 00:43:00,375
that we're all familiar with.

1339
00:43:00,375 --> 00:43:01,375
It runs through the

1340
00:43:01,375 --> 00:43:02,749
neighborhood as well as we're

1341
00:43:02,749 --> 00:43:04,292
now as a county building, the

1342
00:43:04,292 --> 00:43:06,292
new multimodal transportation

1343
00:43:06,666 --> 00:43:07,875
facility. And I think what the

1344
00:43:07,875 --> 00:43:10,665
community did see is they saw

1345
00:43:10,665 --> 00:43:12,500
what that could do to their

1346
00:43:12,500 --> 00:43:13,665
community if they didn't have

1347
00:43:13,665 --> 00:43:15,666
those tools and mechanisms to,

1348
00:43:15,666 --> 00:43:17,833
to try to protect their

1349
00:43:17,833 --> 00:43:18,958
community, to protect

1350
00:43:18,958 --> 00:43:20,665
homeowners, to protect renters,

1351
00:43:20,665 --> 00:43:22,708
to protect historical buildings.

1352
00:43:22,708 --> 00:43:24,665
In the history was it could

1353
00:43:24,665 --> 00:43:26,625
have just all went away because

1354
00:43:26,625 --> 00:43:29,125
of mass development and people

1355
00:43:29,125 --> 00:43:30,625
moving in and buying up houses

1356
00:43:30,625 --> 00:43:32,333
and things. That was part of

1357
00:43:32,333 --> 00:43:34,916
why the CRA was created, so

1358
00:43:34,916 --> 00:43:36,375
that that community and our

1359
00:43:36,375 --> 00:43:37,708
community could then have a

1360
00:43:37,708 --> 00:43:39,125
little more control and have

1361
00:43:39,125 --> 00:43:40,916
those tools and mechanisms to

1362
00:43:40,916 --> 00:43:42,417
do the very things that

1363
00:43:42,417 --> 00:43:42,708
staff

1364
00:43:42,708 --> 00:43:45,292
are discussing on down payment

1365
00:43:45,292 --> 00:43:46,665
assistance, helping build more

1366
00:43:46,665 --> 00:43:48,625
affordable housing projects,

1367
00:43:48,625 --> 00:43:49,916
rental assistance programs to

1368
00:43:49,916 --> 00:43:51,500
the tune of hundreds of

1369
00:43:51,500 --> 00:43:53,292
thousands of dollars, rehab

1370
00:43:53,292 --> 00:43:54,665
services to help fix up some of

1371
00:43:54,665 --> 00:43:56,458
those existing homes. So you do

1372
00:43:56,458 --> 00:43:57,875
bring up a great point. And I

1373
00:43:57,875 --> 00:43:58,665
think that

1374
00:43:58,665 --> 00:44:00,410
great point is, what

1375
00:44:00,410 --> 00:44:01,500
brought us in this direction of

1376
00:44:01,500 --> 00:44:03,665
the CRA was to have those

1377
00:44:03,665 --> 00:44:05,830
protections in place. I know

1378
00:44:05,830 --> 00:44:06,584
staff will do a good job of

1379
00:44:06,584 --> 00:44:08,333
continuing to move forward and

1380
00:44:08,333 --> 00:44:09,458
ensure some of those

1381
00:44:09,458 --> 00:44:10,500
protections and mechanisms are

1382
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:11,833
in place. But great, great

1383
00:44:11,833 --> 00:44:12,665
point. Thank you for sharing

1384
00:44:12,665 --> 00:44:14,665
that.

1385
00:44:16,292 --> 00:44:16,833
Brian Scott: Thanks, Mike.

1386
00:44:16,833 --> 00:44:20,000
Mike Eisner: Thank you, Chair. Councilman,

1387
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,292
that was a great point. You

1388
00:44:21,292 --> 00:44:22,791
jogged my memory. That's what I

1389
00:44:22,791 --> 00:44:24,542
love when we discuss these

1390
00:44:24,542 --> 00:44:25,875
things. And maybe, Mike, you're

1391
00:44:25,875 --> 00:44:27,417
the one that can answer this

1392
00:44:27,417 --> 00:44:30,166
question. When we do these tow

1393
00:44:30,166 --> 00:44:30,250
n

1394
00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:31,375
hall meetings and you get all

1395
00:44:31,375 --> 00:44:32,625
this information that you've

1396
00:44:32,625 --> 00:44:34,208
been explaining to us, which is

1397
00:44:34,208 --> 00:44:35,916
a wealth of information, do you

1398
00:44:35,916 --> 00:44:38,749
do also check to make sure that

1399
00:44:38,749 --> 00:44:40,542
you're getting feedback from

1400
00:44:40,542 --> 00:44:44,142
the renters as well as the

1401
00:44:44,333 --> 00:44:46,125
owners? Because I k

1402
00:44:46,125 --> 00:44:46,916
now that we

1403
00:44:46,916 --> 00:44:49,333
have a CRA that's that's fairly

1404
00:44:49,333 --> 00:44:52,125
new in a new area. And the one

1405
00:44:52,125 --> 00:44:53,208
thing that always scares me

1406
00:44:53,208 --> 00:44:55,125
with that is who's giving me

1407
00:44:55,125 --> 00:44:57,875
the information in order to

1408
00:44:57,875 --> 00:45:01,125
compile the results. And so if

1409
00:45:01,125 --> 00:45:02,625
you're getting it all from

1410
00:45:02,625 --> 00:45:04,000
people that are in the

1411
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,665
investment or owners, I don't

1412
00:45:06,665 --> 00:45:08,665
know, the question, I guess I

1413
00:45:08,665 --> 00:45:10,584
got to ask is, are the renters

1414
00:45:10,584 --> 00:45:13,584
as enthused as the owners?

1415
00:45:14,833 --> 00:45:16,665
Mike Mannino: What is your measuring stick?

1416
00:45:16,665 --> 00:45:18,458
That's a that's a

1417
00:45:18,458 --> 00:45:18,665
difficult

1418
00:45:18,665 --> 00:45:20,166
question, but it is a good

1419
00:45:20,166 --> 00:45:22,666
question. And I think the

1420
00:45:22,666 --> 00:45:24,458
Citizens Advisory Committee

1421
00:45:24,458 --> 00:45:25,665
does a great job of spreading

1422
00:45:25,665 --> 00:45:27,791
the word and via social media,

1423
00:45:27,791 --> 00:45:29,875
via city staff newsletters and

1424
00:45:29,875 --> 00:45:31,665
communications on calendars. At

1425
00:45:31,665 --> 00:45:33,125
the end of the day, you can't

1426
00:45:33,125 --> 00:45:33,875
force e

1427
00:45:33,875 --> 00:45:35,410
ngagement and

1428
00:45:35,410 --> 00:45:36,584
participation. But I do know

1429
00:45:36,584 --> 00:45:38,458
that the web that they cast and

1430
00:45:38,458 --> 00:45:41,542
that net that they cast to

1431
00:45:41,542 --> 00:45:42,665
incorporate all of the

1432
00:45:42,665 --> 00:45:44,665
community is large, and they do

1433
00:45:44,665 --> 00:45:46,208
grab all of it. At the end of

1434
00:45:46,208 --> 00:45:48,208
the day. Do you sit down at the

1435
00:45:48,208 --> 00:45:49,958
end and question everybody that

1436
00:45:49,958 --> 00:45:51,125
comes in and out? Are you a

1437
00:45:51,125 --> 00:45:52,958
renter? Are you owner? What

1438
00:45:52,958 --> 00:45:54,458
that is, that's a tough process

1439
00:45:54,458 --> 00:45:56,125
to do in that. But I do know

1440
00:45:56,125 --> 00:45:57,958
the attempt is there, the

1441
00:45:57,958 --> 00:46:00,830
interest is there, and the

1442
00:46:00,830 --> 00:46:01,208
community behind me could

1443
00:46:01,208 --> 00:46:03,458
probably speak more to what

1444
00:46:03,458 --> 00:46:05,833
that demographic makeup is.

1445
00:46:05,833 --> 00:46:07,333
That does voice their opinions,

1446
00:46:07,333 --> 00:46:09,791
but I can promise that they are

1447
00:46:09,791 --> 00:46:11,000
invited to the table. The doors

1448
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,458
are open to all segments of the

1449
00:46:13,458 --> 00:46:14,791
community, and not just those

1450
00:46:14,791 --> 00:46:16,375
investors or developers or

1451
00:46:16,375 --> 00:46:17,458
staff.

1452
00:46:17,458 --> 00:46:19,500
Mike Eisner: So you want me to ask for a

1453
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:21,458
raise of hands behind you?

1454
00:46:21,458 --> 00:46:21,666
Who's. No,

1455
00:46:21,666 --> 00:46:22,708
I'm just kidding.

1456
00:46:22,708 --> 00:46:24,665
But you know, I understand as I

1457
00:46:24,665 --> 00:46:26,625
go to a lot of these meetings

1458
00:46:26,625 --> 00:46:27,665
myself, and it's always the

1459
00:46:27,665 --> 00:46:29,665
squeaky wheel gets the oil, and

1460
00:46:29,665 --> 00:46:30,665
it's the people that have a

1461
00:46:30,665 --> 00:46:32,542
vested interest in the income,

1462
00:46:32,542 --> 00:46:34,665
you know, producing. But that's

1463
00:46:34,665 --> 00:46:37,650
why Councilman Floyd's comment

1464
00:46:37,708 --> 00:46:40,417
jogged my memory. When and my

1465
00:46:40,417 --> 00:46:42,166
question when I hear that, I

1466
00:46:42,166 --> 00:46:44,665
think I heard you say 65% was

1467
00:46:44,665 --> 00:46:47,584
it that is renters. That's a

1468
00:46:47,584 --> 00:46:51,166
lot of renters in that area and

1469
00:46:51,166 --> 00:46:53,292
they could easily be displaced.

1470
00:46:53,292 --> 00:46:53,665
I'm

1471
00:46:53,665 --> 00:46:56,665
not against this, this CRA

1472
00:46:57,208 --> 00:46:59,000
it's just I would like to not

1473
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,665
see, you know, a vast removal

1474
00:47:01,665 --> 00:47:03,665
of people because everything

1475
00:47:03,665 --> 00:47:06,250
has gone out of their their

1476
00:47:06,250 --> 00:47:06,665
means.

1477
00:47:06,665 --> 00:47:08,665
Mike Mannino: Those are great

1478
00:47:08,665 --> 00:47:09,708
points. I

1479
00:47:09,708 --> 00:47:10,833
think we do have to

1480
00:47:10,833 --> 00:47:12,375
recognize that the community we

1481
00:47:12,375 --> 00:47:15,975
are talking about is the most

1482
00:47:16,665 --> 00:47:18,542
poverty community in all of

1483
00:47:18,542 --> 00:47:20,665
Pinellas County, and we don't

1484
00:47:20,665 --> 00:47:23,665
say that lightly. Something has

1485
00:47:23,666 --> 00:47:25,625
to be done as a

1486
00:47:25,625 --> 00:47:27,410
community, and

1487
00:47:27,410 --> 00:47:29,250
the community has stepped up,

1488
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:30,665
created the vision for their

1489
00:47:30,665 --> 00:47:32,166
community, engaged the

1490
00:47:32,166 --> 00:47:33,665
community immensely for years.

1491
00:47:33,665 --> 00:47:35,665
And this is the direction that

1492
00:47:35,665 --> 00:47:37,208
we're slowly moving as a

1493
00:47:37,208 --> 00:47:38,665
community to ensure that we

1494
00:47:38,665 --> 00:47:40,458
don't continue to share that

1495
00:47:40,458 --> 00:47:41,584
same fact

1496
00:47:41,584 --> 00:47:42,125
that our North

1497
00:47:42,125 --> 00:47:43,665
Greenwood community is the most

1498
00:47:43,665 --> 00:47:44,665
impoverished community in

1499
00:47:44,665 --> 00:47:46,625
Pinellas County, and that takes

1500
00:47:46,625 --> 00:47:47,875
all of us. It doesn't just take

1501
00:47:47,875 --> 00:47:49,000
city officials, it doesn't just

1502
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,208
take North Greenwood community

1503
00:47:51,208 --> 00:47:53,375
members. I would ask all of us

1504
00:47:53,375 --> 00:47:55,292
to take an interest in it. And

1505
00:47:55,292 --> 00:47:56,875
if we have such a deep concern

1506
00:47:56,875 --> 00:47:57,916
as we do in

1507
00:47:57,916 --> 00:47:59,000
here, step up and

1508
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:00,665
help as community leaders and

1509
00:48:00,665 --> 00:48:01,958
let's make a difference in our

1510
00:48:01,958 --> 00:48:03,458
Pinellas County and Clearwater

1511
00:48:03,458 --> 00:48:04,708
region to ensure that this

1512
00:48:04,708 --> 00:48:06,665
neighborhood isn't the most

1513
00:48:06,665 --> 00:48:07,708
impoverished in all of Pinellas

1514
00:48:07,708 --> 00:48:09,708
County.

1515
00:48:12,458 --> 00:48:13,791
Brian Scott: Okay, any other

1516
00:48:13,791 --> 00:48:14,875
questions?

1517
00:48:14,875 --> 00:48:18,166
Thoughts? No. Okay, I got a

1518
00:48:18,166 --> 00:48:21,166
couple. Are there any height

1519
00:48:22,166 --> 00:48:23,875
restrictions in this overlay or

1520
00:48:23,875 --> 00:48:26,275
in the current zoning?

1521
00:48:26,458 --> 00:48:28,665
Emma Wennick: So for my review, this is at

1522
00:48:28,665 --> 00:48:29,665
the county wide

1523
00:48:29,665 --> 00:48:30,333
level, which is

1524
00:48:30,333 --> 00:48:32,375
what we are voting on for today.

1525
00:48:32,375 --> 00:48:35,417
So that's not something that we

1526
00:48:35,417 --> 00:48:36,500
consider when we do our

1527
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:37,916
countywide review. But if you

1528
00:48:37,916 --> 00:48:39,666
want to speak on the height

1529
00:48:39,666 --> 00:48:41,542
more than welcome to for

1530
00:48:41,542 --> 00:48:43,542
Clearwater City staff.

1531
00:48:44,458 --> 00:48:45,417
Lauren Matzke: Hi, Lauren.

1532
00:48:45,417 --> 00:48:46,958
Matzke again,

1533
00:48:46,958 --> 00:48:48,375
that is that is the work that

1534
00:48:48,375 --> 00:48:50,830
we're going to that we've we've

1535
00:48:50,830 --> 00:48:52,665
started on the staff level

1536
00:48:52,665 --> 00:48:53,665
translating the things that we

1537
00:48:53,665 --> 00:48:54,708
heard in those earlier

1538
00:48:54,708 --> 00:48:56,875
community meetings into the

1539
00:48:56,875 --> 00:48:57,958
Community Development Code, our

1540
00:48:57,958 --> 00:48:59,958
land development regulations.

1541
00:49:00,166 --> 00:49:01,625
That will be the work

1542
00:49:01,625 --> 00:49:01,665
that

1543
00:49:01,665 --> 00:49:03,208
we're committed to doing in the

1544
00:49:03,208 --> 00:49:05,208
fall with the community. So

1545
00:49:05,208 --> 00:49:06,292
we'll write something and we'll

1546
00:49:06,292 --> 00:49:08,500
get their feedback on it. But

1547
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:10,292
truly recognizing that

1548
00:49:10,292 --> 00:49:12,417
residential properties, if the

1549
00:49:12,417 --> 00:49:13,791
desire remains, the vision

1550
00:49:13,791 --> 00:49:15,666
remains to have any new

1551
00:49:15,666 --> 00:49:16,665
development consistent with the

1552
00:49:16,665 --> 00:49:17,410
pattern

1553
00:49:17,410 --> 00:49:18,333
that's there. Heights

1554
00:49:18,333 --> 00:49:19,875
would need to be limited in

1555
00:49:19,875 --> 00:49:22,275
those areas, whereas 3 to 4

1556
00:49:23,250 --> 00:49:25,650
stories could be potentially

1557
00:49:25,665 --> 00:49:26,625
compatible, of course, on a

1558
00:49:26,625 --> 00:49:28,830
main street. So like Martin

1559
00:49:28,830 --> 00:49:29,665
Luther King, transitions are

1560
00:49:29,665 --> 00:49:31,830
always important to. And those

1561
00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:33,000
are things that we've enabl

1562
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:33,665
ed

1563
00:49:33,665 --> 00:49:35,410
elsewhere in in our special

1564
00:49:35,410 --> 00:49:36,292
planning districts in the city

1565
00:49:36,292 --> 00:49:38,410
of Clearwater.

1566
00:49:38,410 --> 00:49:40,542
Brian Scott: Okay. I think I know the

1567
00:49:40,542 --> 00:49:41,665
answer to this next question

1568
00:49:41,665 --> 00:49:42,665
here, but are any of these

1569
00:49:42,665 --> 00:49:44,542
properties, could any of these

1570
00:49:44,542 --> 00:49:45,625
be properties be subject to

1571
00:49:45,625 --> 00:49:47,625
live local?

1572
00:49:48,665 --> 00:49:49,542
Lauren Matzke: Well,

1573
00:49:49,542 --> 00:49:50,625
currently, anything

1574
00:49:50,625 --> 00:49:51,833
that's zoned commercial or in

1575
00:49:51,833 --> 00:49:53,500
our commercial general district

1576
00:49:53,500 --> 00:49:55,333
would be would be available for

1577
00:49:55,333 --> 00:49:56,665
live local project.

1578
00:49:56,665 --> 00:49:58,410
Brian Scott: So that's already within the

1579
00:49:58,410 --> 00:49:59,791
CRA. Some of those.

1580
00:49:59,791 --> 00:50:00,250
Lauren Matzke: Yes.

1581
00:50:00,250 --> 00:50:01,458
That's regardless of

1582
00:50:01,458 --> 00:50:02,708
location in Clearwater.

1583
00:50:02,708 --> 00:50:04,875
Brian Scott: Okay. So what we're

1584
00:50:04,875 --> 00:50:05,333
being

1585
00:50:05,333 --> 00:50:06,708
asked to do here today is to,

1586
00:50:06,708 --> 00:50:08,542
is to not we're not approving

1587
00:50:08,542 --> 00:50:09,333
any specific developments.

1588
00:50:09,333 --> 00:50:10,417
We're just, it's just an

1589
00:50:10,417 --> 00:50:14,170
overlay. So for the benefit of

1590
00:50:14,333 --> 00:50:15,830
members of the public that are

1591
00:50:15,830 --> 00:50:17,166
here now, or maybe watching

1592
00:50:17,166 --> 00:50:20,166
when a project is being

1593
00:50:21,125 --> 00:50:22,250
approved, okay, developer comes

1594
00:50:22,250 --> 00:50:23,417
through a homeowner and says, I

1595
00:50:23,417 --> 00:50:25,375
want to, I want to do this.

1596
00:50:25,375 --> 00:50:26,833
Okay, walk through that step.

1597
00:50:26,833 --> 00:50:28,500
What does that process look

1598
00:50:28,500 --> 00:50:29,542
like? And what is that

1599
00:50:29,542 --> 00:50:30,791
community input look like at

1600
00:50:30,791 --> 00:50:32,665
that level?

1601
00:50:32,665 --> 00:50:33,665
Emma Wennick: So first, I'll just

1602
00:50:33,665 --> 00:50:35,833
reiterate. Yes. So this is what

1603
00:50:35,833 --> 00:50:36,875
the recommendation

1604
00:50:36,875 --> 00:50:37,333
for the

1605
00:50:37,333 --> 00:50:39,733
countywide plan map amendment.

1606
00:50:39,791 --> 00:50:42,410
So this is changing the

1607
00:50:42,410 --> 00:50:43,166
countywide plan map from all

1608
00:50:43,166 --> 00:50:45,250
the existing categories to the

1609
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:46,665
PRD classification, which

1610
00:50:46,665 --> 00:50:48,542
allows City of Clearwater to be

1611
00:50:48,542 --> 00:50:51,542
able to utilize their optional

1612
00:50:51,665 --> 00:50:53,410
overlay.

1613
00:50:53,410 --> 00:50:55,665
So in terms of when a

1614
00:50:55,665 --> 00:50:56,749
building comes in, that would

1615
00:50:56,749 --> 00:50:59,292
go to the city of Clearwater in

1616
00:50:59,292 --> 00:51:01,410
terms of a development proposal,

1617
00:51:01,410 --> 00:51:03,665
and they would review it. And

1618
00:51:03,665 --> 00:51:04,665
it's my understanding that they

1619
00:51:04,665 --> 00:51:06,830
have incentive based

1620
00:51:06,830 --> 00:51:07,584
development with this overlay.

1621
00:51:07,584 --> 00:51:08,875
So if they're opting in,

1622
00:51:08,875 --> 00:51:09,333
there

1623
00:51:09,333 --> 00:51:11,708
are certain criteria that the

1624
00:51:11,708 --> 00:51:13,292
developer would have to meet in

1625
00:51:13,292 --> 00:51:17,208
order to be able to utilize the

1626
00:51:17,208 --> 00:51:20,125
bonus of the overlay, if that

1627
00:51:20,125 --> 00:51:21,665
answers your question.

1628
00:51:21,665 --> 00:51:22,791
Brian Scott: So it would be approved by

1629
00:51:22,791 --> 00:51:24,458
the city of Clearwater. Yes.

1630
00:51:24,458 --> 00:51:24,665
City Cou

1631
00:51:24,665 --> 00:51:24,666
ncil.

1632
00:51:24,666 --> 00:51:25,125
Emma Wennick: Yes.

1633
00:51:25,125 --> 00:51:28,830
Brian Scott: Got it. All right. Any other

1634
00:51:28,830 --> 00:51:29,417
thoughts or questions before we

1635
00:51:29,417 --> 00:51:32,417
move to public comment? No.

1636
00:51:34,410 --> 00:51:35,625
Okay. Thank you very much.

1637
00:51:35,625 --> 00:51:36,410
Appreciate it.

1638
00:51:36,410 --> 00:51:38,441
Emma Wennick: Thank you.

1639
00:51:38,500 --> 00:51:40,665
Brian Scott: Okay with that, Tina, do

1640
00:51:40,665 --> 00:51:40,875
we

1641
00:51:40,875 --> 00:51:43,275
have any proponents, opponents

1642
00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:45,208
or other citizens to be heard

1643
00:51:45,208 --> 00:51:46,665
on this item?

1644
00:51:46,665 --> 00:51:47,833
Tina Jablon: Yes, chair. We do. We have

1645
00:51:47,833 --> 00:51:49,166
three proponents wishing to

1646
00:51:49,166 --> 00:51:50,666
speak and one opponent today.

1647
00:51:50,666 --> 00:51:52,830
And the first proponent that we

1648
00:51:52,830 --> 00:51:53,833
will call on is Gloria Campbell.

1649
00:51:53,833 --> 00:51:54,916
Okay, miss Campbell, if you

1650
00:51:54,916 --> 00:51:56,166
could go to the podium, you

1651
00:51:56,166 --> 00:51:56,791
have

1652
00:51:56,791 --> 00:51:58,791
three minutes.

1653
00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:05,665
Gloria Campbell: Good afternoon. Good

1654
00:52:05,665 --> 00:52:07,250
afternoon. My name is Gloria

1655
00:52:07,250 --> 00:52:08,665
Campbell. I am the executive

1656
00:52:08,665 --> 00:52:09,665
director of the Clearwater

1657
00:52:09,665 --> 00:52:12,650
Urban Leadership Coalition. We

1658
00:52:12,250 --> 00:52:12,749
are the

1659
00:52:12,749 --> 00:52:13,958
organization that

1660
00:52:13,958 --> 00:52:15,542
Councilman Mannino talked about

1661
00:52:15,542 --> 00:52:17,665
that led the grassroots effort,

1662
00:52:17,665 --> 00:52:20,650
community, grassroots effort to

1663
00:52:20,830 --> 00:52:21,875
create the North Greenwood CRA,

1664
00:52:21,875 --> 00:52:24,584
the only CRA created in the

1665
00:52:24,584 --> 00:52:26,875
county from a grassroots effort.

1666
00:52:26,875 --> 00:52:28,417
We reached out and we

1667
00:52:28,417 --> 00:52:28,665
had we

1668
00:52:28,665 --> 00:52:30,665
have different organizations,

1669
00:52:30,833 --> 00:52:32,665
everything from churches to

1670
00:52:32,665 --> 00:52:35,650
civic organizations to people

1671
00:52:35,375 --> 00:52:37,000
who are property owners,

1672
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,830
residents, renters were part of

1673
00:52:39,830 --> 00:52:41,483
this effort. Councilman Mannino

1674
00:52:42,125 --> 00:52:44,410
and Councilman Floyd actually

1675
00:52:44,410 --> 00:52:44,916
told my

1676
00:52:44,916 --> 00:52:46,916
story already.

1677
00:52:47,791 --> 00:52:49,333
Councilman Floyd, I was part of

1678
00:52:49,333 --> 00:52:52,333
the Southside CRA group when

1679
00:52:52,584 --> 00:52:53,916
that started. And one of the

1680
00:52:53,916 --> 00:52:56,830
things is we moved to North

1681
00:52:56,830 --> 00:52:57,665
Greenwood that I said was we

1682
00:52:57,665 --> 00:52:59,417
were going to try to correct

1683
00:52:59,417 --> 00:53:00,250
some of the t

1684
00:53:00,250 --> 00:53:00,665
hings that didn't

1685
00:53:00,665 --> 00:53:02,458
go right in the South Side. And

1686
00:53:02,458 --> 00:53:04,665
so that was one of our primary

1687
00:53:04,665 --> 00:53:06,166
goals. Some of those things

1688
00:53:06,166 --> 00:53:08,458
included being sure to, first

1689
00:53:08,458 --> 00:53:09,665
of all, make sure that the

1690
00:53:09,665 --> 00:53:11,333
community was engaged at every

1691
00:53:11,333 --> 00:53:14,830
level. We literally walked the

1692
00:53:14,830 --> 00:53:15,749
streets of North Greenwood,

1693
00:53:15,749 --> 00:53:16,208
handing

1694
00:53:16,208 --> 00:53:18,608
out cards to residents,

1695
00:53:18,665 --> 00:53:19,749
whether they were renters,

1696
00:53:19,749 --> 00:53:21,958
whether they owned property,

1697
00:53:21,958 --> 00:53:23,410
whatever, and said, this is

1698
00:53:23,410 --> 00:53:25,208
what's coming. This is what

1699
00:53:25,208 --> 00:53:26,458
hold on to your property if

1700
00:53:26,458 --> 00:53:28,749
you're a property owner. We

1701
00:53:28,749 --> 00:53:30,916
also contacted people who owned

1702
00:53:30,916 --> 00:53:32,500
property in the area

1703
00:53:32,500 --> 00:53:33,791
who were

1704
00:53:33,791 --> 00:53:35,333
renting their property to give

1705
00:53:35,333 --> 00:53:37,410
them an idea of what was coming,

1706
00:53:37,410 --> 00:53:38,665
because we saw that happen in

1707
00:53:38,665 --> 00:53:40,665
the South Side. By the time

1708
00:53:40,665 --> 00:53:41,708
people recognized what was

1709
00:53:41,708 --> 00:53:43,250
happening. The property was

1710
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:44,665
gone. So we wanted to protect

1711
00:53:44,665 --> 00:53:47,166
that. This overlay was a result

1712
00:53:47,166 --> 00:53:48,250
of another

1713
00:53:48,250 --> 00:53:49,665
tool that we talked

1714
00:53:49,665 --> 00:53:51,830
about that we could use to,

1715
00:53:51,830 --> 00:53:53,292
number one, protect and build

1716
00:53:53,292 --> 00:53:54,665
and make sure that the

1717
00:53:54,665 --> 00:53:57,250
community was engaged. We we

1718
00:53:57,250 --> 00:53:59,458
were part of the selection

1719
00:53:59,458 --> 00:54:00,875
process for the consultants.

1720
00:54:00,875 --> 00:54:03,000
That actually helped us to

1721
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,000
develop the goals

1722
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:04,708
for the

1723
00:54:04,708 --> 00:54:07,108
overlay. The criteria was

1724
00:54:07,333 --> 00:54:09,125
someone who, number one, looked

1725
00:54:09,125 --> 00:54:10,875
like us, number two, who had

1726
00:54:10,875 --> 00:54:12,542
worked in an environment where

1727
00:54:12,542 --> 00:54:14,208
this was the case and knew how

1728
00:54:14,208 --> 00:54:16,375
to help the community be

1729
00:54:16,375 --> 00:54:17,666
sustainable. All of those were

1730
00:54:17,666 --> 00:54:19,875
met by the city. As menti

1731
00:54:19,875 --> 00:54:20,250
oned,

1732
00:54:20,250 --> 00:54:22,833
we did this two years ago. This

1733
00:54:22,833 --> 00:54:24,292
would have already been done,

1734
00:54:24,292 --> 00:54:26,292
we thought. But then who could

1735
00:54:26,292 --> 00:54:27,500
have predicted two hurricanes

1736
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:29,665
back to back? We are here today

1737
00:54:29,665 --> 00:54:32,542
in support of this overlay. We

1738
00:54:32,542 --> 00:54:33,542
recognize that there are

1739
00:54:33,542 --> 00:54:34,665
members of the community that

1740
00:54:34,665 --> 00:54:35,665
are concerned, and they should

1741
00:54:35,665 --> 00:54:36,000
be,

1742
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,333
and I welcome them because

1743
00:54:38,333 --> 00:54:39,665
one of the things we've had to

1744
00:54:39,665 --> 00:54:41,625
do and that we struggle with is

1745
00:54:41,625 --> 00:54:43,665
getting all segments, everybody

1746
00:54:43,665 --> 00:54:45,542
I often say to people when they

1747
00:54:45,542 --> 00:54:46,749
say, oh, I didn't know that.

1748
00:54:46,749 --> 00:54:48,665
The first question is, where do

1749
00:54:48,665 --> 00:54:49,665
you get your information?

1750
00:54:49,665 --> 00:54:51,833
Because obviously we're not

1751
00:54:51,833 --> 00:54:53,000
putting it where you need to

1752
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,875
get it. And so that becomes

1753
00:54:54,875 --> 00:54:57,333
then a gathering point for us.

1754
00:54:57,333 --> 00:54:59,500
So we have engaged at all

1755
00:54:59,500 --> 00:55:01,458
levels. We everyone is invited,

1756
00:55:01,458 --> 00:55:03,417
as I often say, to have a seat

1757
00:55:03,417 --> 00:55:05,833
at the table. We're about

1758
00:55:05,833 --> 00:55:06,833
community and we're about

1759
00:55:06,833 --> 00:55:07,666
making sure the c

1760
00:55:07,666 --> 00:55:09,830
ommunity wins.

1761
00:55:09,830 --> 00:55:12,458
Brian Scott: Thank you. Thank you, Gloria.

1762
00:55:12,458 --> 00:55:13,791
Okay, next.

1763
00:55:13,791 --> 00:55:15,250
Tina Jablon: Next we have Kathleen

1764
00:55:15,250 --> 00:55:16,665
Beckman, Miss Beckman.

1765
00:55:16,665 --> 00:55:18,665
Brian Scott: Okay.

1766
00:55:22,584 --> 00:55:23,665
Tina Jablon: And you'll likewise have

1767
00:55:23,665 --> 00:55:23,665
e minutes, ma'am. Thank you.

1768
00:55:23,665 --> 00:55:25,665
thre

1769
00:55:27,584 --> 00:55:28,410
Brian Scott: Good afternoon.

1770
00:55:28,410 --> 00:55:29,584
Kathleen Beckman: Good afternoon. I'm Kathleen

1771
00:55:29,584 --> 00:55:30,665
Beckman, former Clearwater City

1772
00:55:30,665 --> 00:55:32,250
Council member. I served on the

1773
00:55:32,250 --> 00:55:33,875
council proudly for four years

1774
00:55:33,875 --> 00:55:36,275
from 2020 to 2024. And first,

1775
00:55:36,958 --> 00:55:38,375
I'd like to say thank you,

1776
00:55:38,375 --> 00:55:39,791
Council member Mannino. You just

1777
00:55:39,791 --> 00:55:41,208
nailed it. As far as the

1778
00:55:41,208 --> 00:55:43,375
history, the engagement, and

1779
00:55:43,375 --> 00:55:45,584
the work that's been done, I

1780
00:55:45,584 --> 00:55:46,665
was involved, I've been

1781
00:55:46,665 --> 00:55:48,375
involved with this CRA work for

1782
00:55:48,375 --> 00:55:50,791
the last seven years, proudly

1783
00:55:50,791 --> 00:55:53,665
advocated for ARPA funds to

1784
00:55:53,665 --> 00:55:54,749
jump start the work and

1785
00:55:54,749 --> 00:55:55,665
I'm

1786
00:55:55,665 --> 00:55:56,665
telling you, it has been

1787
00:55:56,665 --> 00:55:58,665
work. It has been a labor of

1788
00:55:58,665 --> 00:56:00,000
love for members of the

1789
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:01,665
community. I'm a member of the

1790
00:56:01,665 --> 00:56:03,166
Clearwater Urban Leadership

1791
00:56:03,166 --> 00:56:05,000
Coalition as well, which

1792
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,458
continues to be leaders in the

1793
00:56:06,458 --> 00:56:08,458
community. The the

1794
00:56:09,333 --> 00:56:11,166
intentionality in reaching to

1795
00:56:11,166 --> 00:56:11,708
the

1796
00:56:11,708 --> 00:56:12,833
community. And, and there

1797
00:56:12,833 --> 00:56:14,375
wasn't, you know, we did reach

1798
00:56:14,375 --> 00:56:16,125
out, but it was truly

1799
00:56:16,125 --> 00:56:17,625
grassroots. So it was

1800
00:56:17,625 --> 00:56:18,665
collaborative from, from the

1801
00:56:18,665 --> 00:56:20,125
very beginning, the work that

1802
00:56:20,125 --> 00:56:21,791
we've done with community

1803
00:56:21,791 --> 00:56:24,191
meetings and, and allocating

1804
00:56:24,458 --> 00:56:26,791
those ARPA funds. And so I

1805
00:56:26,791 --> 00:56:27,665
would

1806
00:56:27,665 --> 00:56:29,665
say, you know, strongly

1807
00:56:29,665 --> 00:56:31,665
in favor of approving this

1808
00:56:31,665 --> 00:56:33,000
overlay, it meets the goals of

1809
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,749
that plan. That plan is a

1810
00:56:34,749 --> 00:56:36,250
phenomenal plan. The North

1811
00:56:36,250 --> 00:56:38,458
Greenwood CRA plan, it's about

1812
00:56:38,458 --> 00:56:39,584
this thick. It's probably, I

1813
00:56:39,584 --> 00:56:41,665
don't know, close to 200 pages.

1814
00:56:41,665 --> 00:56:43,584
But when I was approving that

1815
00:56:43,584 --> 00:56:45,125
plan and going through it, we

1816
00:56:45,125 --> 00:56:46,417
all went through it with a fine

1817
00:56:46,417 --> 00:56:49,250
tooth comb, and it comes

1818
00:56:49,250 --> 00:56:51,830
directly from the community.

1819
00:56:51,830 --> 00:56:53,166
And it is it is the result of

1820
00:56:53,166 --> 00:56:54,292
those meetings. It is the

1821
00:56:54,292 --> 00:56:56,292
result of educating,

1822
00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:57,875
collaborating, understanding,

1823
00:56:57,875 --> 00:56:59,417
and it is a phenomenal pla

1824
00:56:59,417 --> 00:56:59,500
n.

1825
00:56:59,500 --> 00:57:01,875
And this overlay honors that

1826
00:57:01,875 --> 00:57:03,665
plan and works towards those

1827
00:57:03,665 --> 00:57:05,417
goals that were that were

1828
00:57:05,417 --> 00:57:06,666
developed over a number of

1829
00:57:06,666 --> 00:57:09,660
years from passionate, informed

1830
00:57:09,665 --> 00:57:11,125
engagement. So thank you very

1831
00:57:11,125 --> 00:57:12,292
much.

1832
00:57:12,292 --> 00:57:14,692
Brian Scott: Thank you.

1833
00:57:16,584 --> 00:57:19,584
Tina Jablon: Marilyn Turman. Good

1834
00:57:23,665 --> 00:57:24,625
afternoon, Ms. Turman. You'll

1835
00:57:24,625 --> 00:57:27,250
have three minutes to.

1836
00:57:30,665 --> 00:57:31,665
Brian Scott: Good afternoon.

1837
00:57:31,665 --> 00:57:34,830
Marilyn Turman: Good afternoon. Thank you

1838
00:57:34,830 --> 00:57:37,830
all for allowing me a moment to

1839
00:57:37,830 --> 00:57:38,749
speak. My name is Marilyn

1840
00:57:38,749 --> 00:57:40,665
Turman. I am the vice chair of

1841
00:57:40,665 --> 00:57:42,500
the Citizens North Greenwood

1842
00:57:42,500 --> 00:57:44,900
Citizens Advisory Committee. I

1843
00:57:44,916 --> 00:57:46,916
have had the

1844
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:48,625
pleasure of being

1845
00:57:48,625 --> 00:57:49,875
a part of the Clearwater Urban

1846
00:57:49,875 --> 00:57:52,275
Leadership Coalition since its

1847
00:57:52,625 --> 00:57:55,665
inception. And I can tell you,

1848
00:57:55,665 --> 00:57:58,417
when we got received word, of

1849
00:57:58,417 --> 00:58:00,625
course, we can visually see the

1850
00:58:00,625 --> 00:58:01,666
things that were not happening

1851
00:58:01,666 --> 00:58:03,458
in North Greenwood, but

1852
00:58:03,458 --> 00:58:04,542
understanding that it was the

1853
00:58:04,542 --> 00:58:05,458
highest concentration of

1854
00:58:05,458 --> 00:58:07,208
poverty in the entire county,

1855
00:58:07,208 --> 00:58:09,666
it compelled the members of

1856
00:58:09,666 --> 00:58:12,292
this community to come together

1857
00:58:12,292 --> 00:58:15,125
and first educate our community

1858
00:58:15,125 --> 00:58:17,166
on what a CRA was and how it

1859
00:58:17,166 --> 00:58:19,500
would benefit us. So

1860
00:58:19,500 --> 00:58:20,166
this labor

1861
00:58:20,166 --> 00:58:21,708
of love, and the reason that I

1862
00:58:21,708 --> 00:58:23,410
call it a labor of love is

1863
00:58:23,410 --> 00:58:26,410
because since September 19th of

1864
00:58:26,665 --> 00:58:28,542
2019, we have had meetings

1865
00:58:28,542 --> 00:58:31,375
every fourth Tuesday at 630. I

1866
00:58:31,375 --> 00:58:33,665
have missed one meeting, and

1867
00:58:33,665 --> 00:58:35,000
that was because I was at a

1868
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,665
candidate forum. So that being

1869
00:58:36,665 --> 00:58:39,875
said, I am so committed to this

1870
00:58:39,875 --> 00:58:42,791
work. I love my community. I

1871
00:58:42,791 --> 00:58:44,292
want to see things be better in

1872
00:58:44,292 --> 00:58:45,708
my community, and I know the

1873
00:58:45,708 --> 00:58:47,665
hard work that we have put into

1874
00:58:47,665 --> 00:58:49,665
this. There's a saying that

1875
00:58:49,665 --> 00:58:50,749
says you can always make more

1876
00:58:50,749 --> 00:58:50,875
mo

1877
00:58:50,875 --> 00:58:52,665
ney, but you can never get

1878
00:58:52,665 --> 00:58:53,749
your time back. And the time

1879
00:58:53,749 --> 00:58:55,708
that we have put into this,

1880
00:58:55,708 --> 00:58:57,875
Miss Gloria talked about,

1881
00:58:57,875 --> 00:58:59,500
everybody had an opportunity to

1882
00:58:59,500 --> 00:59:01,375
come to the table. And that

1883
00:59:01,375 --> 00:59:02,665
meant from the person in the

1884
00:59:02,665 --> 00:59:04,333
pulpit to the person on the

1885
00:59:04,333 --> 00:59:06,333
corner, everybody, everybody

1886
00:59:06,665 --> 00:59:07,333
had an

1887
00:59:07,333 --> 00:59:08,375
opportunity to come to

1888
00:59:08,375 --> 00:59:10,584
the table and be a part of this

1889
00:59:10,584 --> 00:59:12,665
effort to revitalize our

1890
00:59:12,665 --> 00:59:13,665
community and make it a

1891
00:59:13,665 --> 00:59:14,791
community that we were all

1892
00:59:14,791 --> 00:59:17,333
proud of. What I'm happy to

1893
00:59:17,333 --> 00:59:18,542
know about the overlay plan is

1894
00:59:18,542 --> 00:59:20,665
that it does give us the

1895
00:59:20,665 --> 00:59:21,665
options. It gives us the

1896
00:59:21,665 --> 00:59:22,708
options to be able to do t

1897
00:59:22,708 --> 00:59:23,665
hings,

1898
00:59:23,665 --> 00:59:24,708
to expand and grow beyond what

1899
00:59:24,708 --> 00:59:27,666
we currently have. It's, it's,

1900
00:59:27,666 --> 00:59:29,665
it's one thing to be a consumer.

1901
00:59:29,665 --> 00:59:30,958
It's another thing to own some

1902
00:59:30,958 --> 00:59:33,208
stuff. And I don't know how

1903
00:59:33,208 --> 00:59:34,417
much you all know about the

1904
00:59:34,417 --> 00:59:36,000
upcoming Container Village

1905
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,584
project called The Village at

1906
00:59:37,584 --> 00:59:39,333
the Grove. We are so

1907
00:59:39,333 --> 00:59:40,410
very, very,

1908
00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:42,441
very excited about the

1909
00:59:42,833 --> 00:59:43,665
opportunities and the

1910
00:59:43,665 --> 00:59:44,833
businesses that will be housed

1911
00:59:44,833 --> 00:59:46,830
there. And this overlay plan

1912
00:59:46,830 --> 00:59:49,000
will give us the opportunity to

1913
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:50,292
do some things that we might

1914
00:59:50,292 --> 00:59:51,916
not be able to do otherwise.

1915
00:59:51,916 --> 00:59:53,666
And the last comment I want to

1916
00:59:53,666 --> 00:59:54,665
make is about the

1917
00:59:54,665 --> 00:59:55,250
housing. When

1918
00:59:55,250 --> 00:59:56,916
I think about we all know

1919
00:59:56,916 --> 00:59:58,166
there's been a housing crisis,

1920
00:59:58,166 --> 00:59:59,708
and when I think about this

1921
00:59:59,708 --> 01:00:03,830
overlay plan and the ability to

1922
01:00:03,830 --> 01:00:04,665
have accessory dwelling units

1923
01:00:04,665 --> 01:00:06,665
and those things in place, it's

1924
01:00:06,665 --> 01:00:08,500
kind of like that village

1925
01:00:08,500 --> 01:00:10,665
mentality in my mind where w

1926
01:00:10,665 --> 01:00:10,665
I think about the fact that

1927
01:00:10,665 --> 01:00:12,500
hen

1928
01:00:12,500 --> 01:00:14,665
some family members have have

1929
01:00:14,665 --> 01:00:16,749
had to move to distant places,

1930
01:00:16,749 --> 01:00:18,458
and if we have the ability to

1931
01:00:18,458 --> 01:00:20,858
come together and provide

1932
01:00:21,708 --> 01:00:24,108
housing opportunities in our

1933
01:00:24,375 --> 01:00:25,417
community, because we can

1934
01:00:25,417 --> 01:00:26,666
expand and do

1935
01:00:26,666 --> 01:00:28,666
ADUs or have

1936
01:00:30,125 --> 01:00:31,208
duplexes, I think Triplexes is

1937
01:00:31,208 --> 01:00:32,916
another middle housing, I think

1938
01:00:32,916 --> 01:00:34,666
is the correct term for that,

1939
01:00:34,666 --> 01:00:36,208
and my time is up. But thank

1940
01:00:36,208 --> 01:00:37,542
you. I am in full support of

1941
01:00:37,542 --> 01:00:40,000
this. Thank you very much.

1942
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:40,333
Thank you.

1943
01:00:40,333 --> 01:00:42,733
Brian Scott: Thank you.

1944
01:00:48,665 --> 01:00:49,500
Any other public

1945
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:50,125
comment?

1946
01:00:50,125 --> 01:00:51,375
Tina Jablon: That's all the proponents.

1947
01:00:51,375 --> 01:00:52,665
We do have one opponent who

1948
01:00:52,665 --> 01:00:54,666
wishes to wishes to speak today.

1949
01:00:54,666 --> 01:00:56,665
And that's Miss Katrina George.

1950
01:00:56,665 --> 01:01:00,265
Brian Scott: Okay. Please come up.

1951
01:01:15,958 --> 01:01:16,665
Good

1952
01:01:16,665 --> 01:01:17,166
afternoon.

1953
01:01:17,166 --> 01:01:18,625
Katrina George: Good afternoon. My name is

1954
01:01:18,625 --> 01:01:21,625
Katrina George. I live at 1276

1955
01:01:21,665 --> 01:01:23,665
Eldridge Street. I am within

1956
01:01:23,665 --> 01:01:26,665
the CRA. The CRA jurisdiction.

1957
01:01:29,500 --> 01:01:30,500
I want to address

1958
01:01:30,500 --> 01:01:31,208
something

1959
01:01:31,208 --> 01:01:32,916
stated stated publicly about

1960
01:01:32,916 --> 01:01:34,749
this overlay. The city

1961
01:01:34,749 --> 01:01:36,208
representatives have described

1962
01:01:36,208 --> 01:01:37,665
participation in this overlay

1963
01:01:37,665 --> 01:01:39,749
as voluntary, saying no

1964
01:01:39,749 --> 01:01:41,665
homeowner is required to change

1965
01:01:41,665 --> 01:01:43,410
their zoning. But the city's

1966
01:01:43,410 --> 01:01:44,625
own ordinance language directs

1967
01:01:44,625 --> 01:01:46,292
the land use

1968
01:01:46,292 --> 01:01:47,250
designation itself.

1969
01:01:47,250 --> 01:01:49,749
The actual factual land use map

1970
01:01:49,749 --> 01:01:51,916
changes. Change applies to

1971
01:01:51,916 --> 01:01:54,584
every parcel in the amended

1972
01:01:54,584 --> 01:01:56,665
area, regardless of whether any

1973
01:01:56,665 --> 01:01:58,708
owner uses the bonus provision.

1974
01:01:58,708 --> 01:02:00,916
I'm asking the city to clarify

1975
01:02:00,916 --> 01:02:02,458
in writing

1976
01:02:02,458 --> 01:02:03,125
whether homeowners

1977
01:02:03,125 --> 01:02:05,525
may decline the designation

1978
01:02:05,665 --> 01:02:07,458
itself, separate from declining

1979
01:02:07,458 --> 01:02:11,580
the bonus program. I also want

1980
01:02:12,665 --> 01:02:15,500
to raise a specific question.

1981
01:02:15,500 --> 01:02:17,333
Factual problem with the record

1982
01:02:17,333 --> 01:02:18,375
you have today. The

1983
01:02:18,375 --> 01:02:19,410
notice for

1984
01:02:19,410 --> 01:02:21,441
case CW2 thousand 608 states

1985
01:02:21,584 --> 01:02:23,665
that the amendment affects

1986
01:02:23,665 --> 01:02:25,665
approximately 491.5 acres, but

1987
01:02:26,708 --> 01:02:28,665
the city's own ordinance

1988
01:02:28,665 --> 01:02:29,708
exhibits this the same

1989
01:02:29,708 --> 01:02:30,791
amendment that shows two

1990
01:02:30,791 --> 01:02:32,791
different acreages figures

1991
01:02:34,542 --> 01:02:37,542
674.2 acres in. In the one

1992
01:02:37,665 --> 01:02:40,650
version and 627.8 acres in

1993
01:02:41,250 --> 01:02:43,410
another. These figures don't

1994
01:02:43,410 --> 01:02:45,166
match each other, and none of

1995
01:02:45,166 --> 01:02:48,166
them match what's before the

1996
01:02:48,500 --> 01:02:50,208
board. I'm asking that this be

1997
01:02:50,208 --> 01:02:51,665
resolved before any

1998
01:02:51,665 --> 01:02:53,833
recommendation is made. There

1999
01:02:53,833 --> 01:02:55,916
is a related question about the

2000
01:02:55,916 --> 01:02:58,316
industrial limit category. City

2001
01:02:58,625 --> 01:02:59,875
Council minutes from March 30th

2002
01:02:59,875 --> 01:03:02,584
show off shows that staff

2003
01:03:02,584 --> 01:03:04,417
requested moving industrial

2004
01:03:04,417 --> 01:03:06,830
limits parcels from the overlay.

2005
01:03:06,830 --> 01:03:07,749
But the notice before Pinellas

2006
01:03:07,749 --> 01:03:10,000
for today still includes

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01:03:10,000 --> 01:03:11,833
employment, the countywide

2008
01:03:11,833 --> 01:03:13,665
equivalent of land use limited.

2009
01:03:13,665 --> 01:03:15,542
I'm asking which version is

2010
01:03:15,542 --> 01:03:17,665
actually controlling beyond the

2011
01:03:17,665 --> 01:03:19,830
notice today, my deeper concern

2012
01:03:19,830 --> 01:03:21,665
is protecting the people who

2013
01:03:21,665 --> 01:03:22,250
already

2014
01:03:22,250 --> 01:03:23,458
live and work in North

2015
01:03:23,458 --> 01:03:25,410
Greenwood. I'm asking for two

2016
01:03:25,410 --> 01:03:26,791
specific things, both grounded

2017
01:03:26,791 --> 01:03:29,208
in existing Florida law, not

2018
01:03:29,208 --> 01:03:31,665
new authority. First, that the

2019
01:03:31,665 --> 01:03:33,333
defined percentage of the North

2020
01:03:33,333 --> 01:03:35,625
Greenwood CRA Trust Fund, the

2021
01:03:35,625 --> 01:03:38,250
tax increment revenue. Florida

2022
01:03:38,410 --> 01:03:40,410
Statute 163387 already allows

2023
01:03:41,916 --> 01:03:44,916
to be used for affordable

2024
01:03:45,292 --> 01:03:47,692
housing. Be dedicated to

2025
01:03:47,708 --> 01:03:49,625
property tax assistance fund

2026
01:03:49,625 --> 01:03:51,665
for the legacy owners facing

2027
01:03:51,665 --> 01:03:53,665
rising assessments because of

2028
01:03:53,665 --> 01:03:53,791
this

2029
01:03:53,791 --> 01:03:55,542
overlay. Second, that the

2030
01:03:55,542 --> 01:03:57,625
city adopts a temporary

2031
01:03:57,625 --> 01:03:59,333
exemption of the increased

2032
01:03:59,333 --> 01:04:01,542
amendment value for. Of home

2033
01:04:01,542 --> 01:04:02,665
improvements for property

2034
01:04:02,665 --> 01:04:04,665
owners who held exemption home

2035
01:04:04,665 --> 01:04:06,625
status exemption before this

2036
01:04:06,625 --> 01:04:08,250
overlay, modeled on the Florida

2037
01:04:08,250 --> 01:04:10,410
existing Historic Preservation

2038
01:04:10,410 --> 01:04:13,410
tax exemption under section one,

2039
01:04:14,833 --> 01:04:16,833
96.1997 and 196.111998, one of

2040
01:04:19,708 --> 01:04:21,708
the. Thank you.

2041
01:04:23,417 --> 01:04:24,708
Brian Scott: Mr. George. You can finish

2042
01:04:24,708 --> 01:04:26,665
if you'd like.

2043
01:04:26,665 --> 01:04:27,375
Katrina George: I'm sorry.

2044
01:04:27,375 --> 01:04:29,665
Brian Scott: You can finish if you like.

2045
01:04:29,665 --> 01:04:32,666
Katrina George: I'll close today. One of the

2046
01:04:32,666 --> 01:04:33,833
issues that I want to also

2047
01:04:33,833 --> 01:04:35,749
bring up is the fact that you

2048
01:04:35,749 --> 01:04:37,500
all are stating that the city

2049
01:04:37,500 --> 01:04:38,791
is stating that proper notice

2050
01:04:38,791 --> 01:04:41,125
was provided to us as residents.

2051
01:04:41,125 --> 01:04:41,708
That's not

2052
01:04:41,708 --> 01:04:43,665
totally correct. One

2053
01:04:43,665 --> 01:04:47,208
of the I didn't I have 104

2054
01:04:47,208 --> 01:04:48,125
signatures that I've submitted

2055
01:04:48,125 --> 01:04:50,417
to the board from residents of

2056
01:04:50,417 --> 01:04:52,666
North Greenwood with no notices

2057
01:04:52,666 --> 01:04:55,666
of these movements for the

2058
01:04:55,749 --> 01:04:56,833
rezoning, what we were

2059
01:04:56,833 --> 01:04:57,665
receiving, or what

2060
01:04:57,665 --> 01:04:58,417
we actually

2061
01:04:58,417 --> 01:05:00,749
saw within the community is

2062
01:05:00,749 --> 01:05:02,665
actually notices of a container

2063
01:05:02,665 --> 01:05:04,375
mall. That's the information

2064
01:05:04,375 --> 01:05:06,625
that we saw or I was provided.

2065
01:05:06,625 --> 01:05:08,708
Nobody knocked on my door. I

2066
01:05:08,708 --> 01:05:12,308
didn't receive a card from the

2067
01:05:12,665 --> 01:05:13,542
June 8th meeti

2068
01:05:13,542 --> 01:05:14,208
ng. I didn't

2069
01:05:14,208 --> 01:05:16,708
receive a notice. And from what

2070
01:05:16,708 --> 01:05:18,542
I've spoken with Lauren, she

2071
01:05:18,542 --> 01:05:20,665
stated that some of the

2072
01:05:20,665 --> 01:05:22,666
churches weren't even notified.

2073
01:05:22,666 --> 01:05:25,665
So again, it's proper notice

2074
01:05:25,665 --> 01:05:27,166
and some of the timings of

2075
01:05:27,166 --> 01:05:28,292
these meetings. Yesterday's

2076
01:05:28,292 --> 01:05:29,665
meeting was at 530.

2077
01:05:29,665 --> 01:05:30,333
Who can get

2078
01:05:30,333 --> 01:05:31,791
to a 530 meeting leaving from

2079
01:05:31,791 --> 01:05:34,791
work? These things aren't being,

2080
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:38,292
you know, and there are no real

2081
01:05:38,292 --> 01:05:39,665
safeguards right now in this

2082
01:05:39,665 --> 01:05:42,292
plan for our community. Again,

2083
01:05:42,292 --> 01:05:44,665
as Representative Floyd stated,

2084
01:05:44,665 --> 01:05:45,500
for the renters

2085
01:05:45,500 --> 01:05:46,625
in the area,

2086
01:05:46,625 --> 01:05:48,375
we're concerned about

2087
01:05:48,375 --> 01:05:49,500
displacement. We saw this with

2088
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:51,665
the North Greenwood Apartments.

2089
01:05:51,665 --> 01:05:52,958
They were kicked. All of the

2090
01:05:52,958 --> 01:05:54,125
residents were kicked out of

2091
01:05:54,125 --> 01:05:55,542
North Greenwood stating that

2092
01:05:55,542 --> 01:05:57,665
they were upgrading the area.

2093
01:05:57,665 --> 01:06:00,833
All of a sudden, 20% were able

2094
01:06:00,833 --> 01:06:01,665
to be

2095
01:06:01,665 --> 01:06:03,458
able to move back in.

2096
01:06:03,458 --> 01:06:04,749
Those neighbors were never

2097
01:06:04,749 --> 01:06:07,149
compensated, nor were they

2098
01:06:07,500 --> 01:06:10,333
given opportunity to move back.

2099
01:06:10,333 --> 01:06:12,410
So these are the things that we

2100
01:06:12,410 --> 01:06:15,375
want. We want to make sure that

2101
01:06:15,375 --> 01:06:17,125
we're not going to experience

2102
01:06:17,125 --> 01:06:17,250
mo

2103
01:06:17,250 --> 01:06:18,625
ving forward. My thing is,

2104
01:06:18,625 --> 01:06:21,250
I'm not against forward

2105
01:06:21,417 --> 01:06:22,875
movement. I'm against the way

2106
01:06:22,875 --> 01:06:24,665
that it's set up where there's

2107
01:06:24,665 --> 01:06:25,666
no protections.

2108
01:06:25,666 --> 01:06:29,866
Brian Scott: Thank you. Tina. Any further

2109
01:06:30,584 --> 01:06:31,791
citizens to be heard?

2110
01:06:31,791 --> 01:06:32,875
Tina Jablon: No. Chair, there's no

2111
01:06:32,875 --> 01:06:33,375
further.

2112
01:06:33,375 --> 01:06:35,000
Brian Scott: Okay. All right. Hearing no

2113
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:37,665
more. We will close the public

2114
01:06:37,665 --> 01:06:39,000
hearing. Do we have any other

2115
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:40,665
questions? Q & A from the

2116
01:06:40,665 --> 01:06:43,665
board. Okay. Hearing none. What,

2117
01:06:46,333 --> 01:06:47,292
Richie, did you have?

2118
01:06:47,292 --> 01:06:49,458
Richie Floyd: I'll just say

2119
01:06:49,458 --> 01:06:50,625
I want I

2120
01:06:50,625 --> 01:06:51,875
wanted to get a full picture

2121
01:06:51,875 --> 01:06:53,665
from the community feedback as

2122
01:06:53,665 --> 01:06:57,417
well. I see no reason for us

2123
01:06:57,417 --> 01:07:00,665
not to move it forward, but

2124
01:07:00,665 --> 01:07:02,830
because we're just here like

2125
01:07:02,830 --> 01:07:05,410
deciding on land use things.

2126
01:07:05,410 --> 01:07:06,665
But yeah, definitely heard from

2127
01:07:06,665 --> 01:07:09,916
the city that some of my

2128
01:07:09,916 --> 01:07:11,410
concerns will be addressed

2129
01:07:11,410 --> 01:07:12,875
going forward. And so I'll just

2130
01:07:12,875 --> 01:07:15,875
rely on y'all to make

2131
01:07:16,584 --> 01:07:17,708
considerations for some of the

2132
01:07:17,708 --> 01:07:18,665
displacement concerns that are

2133
01:07:18,665 --> 01:07:21,166
brought up. So and I see

2134
01:07:21,166 --> 01:07:21,708
you

2135
01:07:21,708 --> 01:07:22,833
nodding in agreement, so I'll

2136
01:07:22,833 --> 01:07:23,708
leave it there.

2137
01:07:23,708 --> 01:07:26,625
Brian Scott: Okay. Thank you. Anybody

2138
01:07:26,625 --> 01:07:29,830
else? Okay. What is the will of

2139
01:07:29,830 --> 01:07:30,500
the board.

2140
01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:31,916
Maureen Freaney: Move approval.

2141
01:07:31,916 --> 01:07:32,292
Chris Scherer: Second.

2142
01:07:32,292 --> 01:07:34,830
Brian Scott: We have a motion from Mayor

2143
01:07:34,830 --> 01:07:35,791
Moe and a second from

2144
01:07:35,791 --> 01:07:36,875
Commissioner Scherer. A

2145
01:07:36,875 --> 01:07:37,875
ny further

2146
01:07:37,875 --> 01:07:40,125
discussion? All in favor?

2147
01:07:40,125 --> 01:07:40,791
All: Aye.

2148
01:07:40,791 --> 01:07:43,208
Brian Scott: Any opposed? Okay. Motion

2149
01:07:43,208 --> 01:07:44,665
carries unanimously. Thank you

2150
01:07:44,665 --> 01:07:47,833
very much. Okay. Now we will

2151
01:07:47,833 --> 01:07:49,833
move. Yes.

2152
01:07:49,958 --> 01:07:51,410
Maureen Freaney: Mr. Chair, I just want to.

2153
01:07:51,410 --> 01:07:51,417
Brian Scott: Yes.

2154
01:07:51,417 --> 01:07:52,916
Maureen Freaney: I'm headed to the

2155
01:07:52,916 --> 01:07:53,125
Florida

2156
01:07:53,125 --> 01:07:54,208
League of Mayors. I just made

2157
01:07:54,208 --> 01:07:56,166
sure we had a quorum. So excuse

2158
01:07:56,166 --> 01:07:57,958
me for coming in and leaving,

2159
01:07:57,958 --> 01:07:58,166
so.

2160
01:07:58,166 --> 01:07:59,916
Brian Scott: All right, we'll let you off

2161
01:07:59,916 --> 01:08:01,708
the hook this time. All right.

2162
01:08:01,708 --> 01:08:03,665
Whit Blanton: You might have to chair the

2163
01:08:03,665 --> 01:08:05,665
next meeting.

2164
01:08:06,749 --> 01:08:08,410
Brian Scott: All right, now we'll move on

2165
01:08:08,410 --> 01:08:08,708
to

2166
01:08:08,708 --> 01:08:12,308
item five. A 2KCW26-11. City

2167
01:08:12,333 --> 01:08:14,665
of Clearwater. Does any member

2168
01:08:14,665 --> 01:08:16,584
of the board like to would like

2169
01:08:16,584 --> 01:08:18,333
to see a presentation on this

2170
01:08:18,333 --> 01:08:21,333
particular one here? No. Okay.

2171
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:23,749
Hearing none.

2172
01:08:26,500 --> 01:08:27,542
Do we have any

2173
01:08:27,542 --> 01:08:27,665
questions?

2174
01:08:27,665 --> 01:08:29,375
Thoughts ask if there's any

2175
01:08:29,375 --> 01:08:29,708
okay.

2176
01:08:29,708 --> 01:08:30,958
Any Tina, do we have any

2177
01:08:30,958 --> 01:08:32,708
members of the public that

2178
01:08:32,708 --> 01:08:33,875
would like to speak on this

2179
01:08:33,875 --> 01:08:34,125
item?

2180
01:08:34,125 --> 01:08:35,833
Tina Jablon: No, chair, we do not.

2181
01:08:35,833 --> 01:08:37,665
Brian Scott: Okay. All right. Hearing

2182
01:08:37,665 --> 01:08:39,458
none on that, then we will

2183
01:08:39,458 --> 01:08:40,665
close this particula

2184
01:08:40,665 --> 01:08:41,375
r public

2185
01:08:41,375 --> 01:08:43,410
hearing. And what is the will

2186
01:08:43,410 --> 01:08:44,166
of the board.

2187
01:08:44,166 --> 01:08:45,208
Ricky Butler: Move approval.

2188
01:08:45,208 --> 01:08:47,665
Brian Scott: Okay. Motion from Ricky,

2189
01:08:47,665 --> 01:08:50,665
second from Tom. Okay. Any

2190
01:08:51,333 --> 01:08:53,333
further discussion? Hearing

2191
01:08:53,458 --> 01:08:55,250
none. All in favor?

2192
01:08:55,250 --> 01:08:55,665
All: Aye.

2193
01:08:55,665 --> 01:08:56,916
Brian Scott: Any opposed?

2194
01:08:56,916 --> 01:08:57,665
Okay. Motion

2195
01:08:57,665 --> 01:08:58,791
carries unanimously. Thank you,

2196
01:08:58,791 --> 01:09:01,791
everybody, for that. Okay. I

2197
01:09:03,208 --> 01:09:06,666
would like to just so we don't

2198
01:09:06,666 --> 01:09:08,166
lose any other members here in

2199
01:09:08,166 --> 01:09:09,916
case anybody has to leave early.

2200
01:09:09,916 --> 01:09:12,791
I would like to move 6E

2201
01:09:12,791 --> 01:09:14,665
up

2202
01:09:14,665 --> 01:09:16,542
first, which is our last

2203
01:09:16,542 --> 01:09:18,250
remaining action item, which is

2204
01:09:18,250 --> 01:09:20,833
our fiscal year 27 PPC budget

2205
01:09:20,833 --> 01:09:23,233
and millage rate recommendation.

2206
01:09:24,375 --> 01:09:27,375
So Rodney, come on up.

2207
01:09:31,833 --> 01:09:34,833
Rodney Chatman: Good afternoon. Good

2208
01:09:36,166 --> 01:09:37,208
afternoon. Rodney Chatman

2209
01:09:37,208 --> 01:09:40,208
Division Manager and. I guess

2210
01:09:43,916 --> 01:09:44,749
I'll say

2211
01:09:44,749 --> 01:09:46,458
I'm excited to present

2212
01:09:46,458 --> 01:09:50,830
the FY 27 budget to you all. As

2213
01:09:50,830 --> 01:09:52,410
you hear from me each year. I

2214
01:09:52,410 --> 01:09:53,333
you know, I remind you all that

2215
01:09:53,333 --> 01:09:56,542
I volunteered for this. And as

2216
01:09:56,542 --> 01:09:57,584
a matter of fact.

2217
01:09:57,584 --> 01:09:58,625
Brian Scott: That'll teach you.

2218
01:09:58,625 --> 01:09:59,958
Whit Blanton: Yeah, that's not completely

2219
01:09:59,958 --> 01:10:00,458
accurate.

2220
01:10:00,458 --> 01:10:01,665
Rodney Chatman: This is 2017. And I always

2221
01:10:01,665 --> 01:10:04,125
tell you all that it's complex.

2222
01:10:04,125 --> 01:10:05,666
It's never easy. The goalposts

2223
01:10:05,666 --> 01:10:08,660
always move. And definitely

2224
01:10:08,125 --> 01:10:11,830
that is the case for FY 27. So

2225
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:13,958
I'll get right to it. The

2226
01:10:13,958 --> 01:10:15,458
budget request that we're

2227
01:10:15,458 --> 01:10:16,542
submitting to you

2228
01:10:16,542 --> 01:10:17,208
all for

2229
01:10:17,208 --> 01:10:18,665
recommendation to the county

2230
01:10:18,665 --> 01:10:21,650
commission is about $8 million.

2231
01:10:21,625 --> 01:10:24,000
What you see here is a

2232
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:27,000
breakdown of the. The revenue

2233
01:10:30,833 --> 01:10:32,665
categories for the submittal,

2234
01:10:32,665 --> 01:10:33,665
beginning with the beginning

2235
01:10:33,665 --> 01:10:35,584
fund balance. In other words,

2236
01:10:35,584 --> 01:10:36,958
that's the amount that we start

2237
01:10:36,958 --> 01:10:40,558
with. Given that that sort of

2238
01:10:40,665 --> 01:10:42,830
carry over from the previous

2239
01:10:42,830 --> 01:10:45,830
budget year, we have about 2.3

2240
01:10:45,665 --> 01:10:48,650
million in property taxes.

2241
01:10:49,833 --> 01:10:50,375
And

2242
01:10:50,375 --> 01:10:52,000
that's based on a projection

2243
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:53,958
from the property appraiser

2244
01:10:53,958 --> 01:10:57,558
that the increase will be about

2245
01:10:58,875 --> 01:11:01,875
4.3% for FY 27. We get another

2246
01:11:04,665 --> 01:11:06,875
1.4 million in the revenue

2247
01:11:06,875 --> 01:11:09,375
column for the MPO. Again, the

2248
01:11:09,375 --> 01:11:11,775
Planning Council covers those

2249
01:11:12,666 --> 01:11:15,665
costs for the MPO and then gets

2250
01:11:15,665 --> 01:11:16,665
reimbursed. So that's the money

2251
01:11:16,665 --> 01:11:17,749
that the Planning Council gets

2252
01:11:17,749 --> 01:11:19,665
from the MPO. And then there's

2253
01:11:19,665 --> 01:11:20,542
two

2254
01:11:20,542 --> 01:11:21,665
supplementary line items on

2255
01:11:21,665 --> 01:11:23,458
the revenue side that are very

2256
01:11:23,458 --> 01:11:25,250
small in nature. It's just a

2257
01:11:25,250 --> 01:11:26,665
projection from us as to what

2258
01:11:26,665 --> 01:11:29,166
we can expect from our local

2259
01:11:29,166 --> 01:11:29,666
assistance that we provide to

2260
01:11:29,666 --> 01:11:31,375
the cities. And then just a

2261
01:11:31,375 --> 01:11:33,666
small amount of interest we get

2262
01:11:33,666 --> 01:11:35,250
from an interest bearing

2263
01:11:35,250 --> 01:11:37,250
account

2264
01:11:37,417 --> 01:11:39,665
. On the expense side,

2265
01:11:39,665 --> 01:11:41,666
these are the six primary

2266
01:11:41,666 --> 01:11:43,666
expense categories, about 2.5

2267
01:11:44,333 --> 01:11:45,665
million in salaries and

2268
01:11:45,665 --> 01:11:47,542
benefits, another 1.4 million

2269
01:11:47,542 --> 01:11:49,166
in our operating expenses. And

2270
01:11:49,166 --> 01:11:50,665
that includes everything from

2271
01:11:50,665 --> 01:11:52,125
rent to

2272
01:11:52,125 --> 01:11:53,292
our audit, our

2273
01:11:53,292 --> 01:11:54,333
accounting, our

2274
01:11:54,333 --> 01:11:55,410
intergovernmental service

2275
01:11:55,410 --> 01:11:56,833
charges from Pinellas County

2276
01:11:56,833 --> 01:12:00,830
and so on. We also pay the

2277
01:12:00,830 --> 01:12:01,791
property appraiser and tax

2278
01:12:01,791 --> 01:12:04,830
collector commissions for the

2279
01:12:04,830 --> 01:12:05,542
tax revenue they collect on our

2280
01:12:05,542 --> 01:12:07,830
behalf. So you see that they're

2281
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:08,665
about

2282
01:12:08,665 --> 01:12:10,333
$67,000. And then just

2283
01:12:10,333 --> 01:12:12,665
like last year, we have divided

2284
01:12:12,665 --> 01:12:15,665
the reserves into three line

2285
01:12:15,665 --> 01:12:17,665
items. There's reserve

2286
01:12:18,584 --> 01:12:20,292
contingencies, reserve fund

2287
01:12:20,292 --> 01:12:21,292
balance, and then reserves for

2288
01:12:21,292 --> 01:12:23,692
future years. And you

2289
01:12:24,542 --> 01:12:25,665
see the

2290
01:12:25,665 --> 01:12:28,208
the ways those are unlocked,

2291
01:12:28,208 --> 01:12:29,292
consistent with Florida

2292
01:12:29,292 --> 01:12:32,292
statutes and parentheses. So as

2293
01:12:35,417 --> 01:12:37,584
in prior years, we continue to

2294
01:12:37,584 --> 01:12:38,666
find effective and creative

2295
01:12:38,666 --> 01:12:39,749
ways to spend our reserves.

2296
01:12:39,749 --> 01:12:41,166
That's often the message from

2297
01:12:41,166 --> 01:12:43,292
the county commission. And our

2298
01:12:43,292 --> 01:12:44,665
approach has been and continues

2299
01:12:44,665 --> 01:12:47,625
to be an adjustment to the rate,

2300
01:12:47,625 --> 01:12:50,666
as well as working with our our

2301
01:12:50,666 --> 01:12:53,665
city partners to find ways to

2302
01:12:53,665 --> 01:12:55,625
advance projects that are

2303
01:12:55,625 --> 01:12:55,666
aligned w

2304
01:12:55,666 --> 01:12:57,292
ith the mission of

2305
01:12:57,292 --> 01:12:59,749
Pinellas. So for FY 27, that

2306
01:12:59,749 --> 01:13:01,208
will continue to be the

2307
01:13:01,208 --> 01:13:04,208
strategy. We will. Complete the

2308
01:13:04,708 --> 01:13:07,708
final phase, hopefully, of the

2309
01:13:08,458 --> 01:13:09,791
ordinance update for the

2310
01:13:09,791 --> 01:13:11,958
county's multimodal impact fee.

2311
01:13:11,958 --> 01:13:13,500
That's been a project that's

2312
01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:16,665
been ongoing, and we've had to

2313
01:13:16,665 --> 01:13:17,666
modify the approach because of

2314
01:13:17,666 --> 01:13:19,625
some changes in state law,

2315
01:13:19,625 --> 01:13:21,542
whether to send Bill 180, House

2316
01:13:21,542 --> 01:13:23,942
Bill 429 and House Bill 1329.

2317
01:13:24,875 --> 01:13:27,708
So the state continues to

2318
01:13:27,708 --> 01:13:28,665
pass

2319
01:13:28,665 --> 01:13:29,958
legislation impacting impact

2320
01:13:29,958 --> 01:13:31,500
fee in our ordinance update.

2321
01:13:31,500 --> 01:13:34,458
And so that hopefully will come

2322
01:13:34,458 --> 01:13:35,708
to a close this year. And we

2323
01:13:35,708 --> 01:13:38,333
can wrap up the ordinance

2324
01:13:38,333 --> 01:13:40,708
update and FY 27. And you can

2325
01:13:40,708 --> 01:13:43,000
see that is a jointly funded

2326
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:43,665
project between

2327
01:13:43,665 --> 01:13:44,625
us, Pinellas

2328
01:13:44,625 --> 01:13:45,833
County and City of Saint Pete,

2329
01:13:45,833 --> 01:13:48,833
Clearwater and Largo. The other

2330
01:13:49,500 --> 01:13:51,666
project that we plan to pursue

2331
01:13:51,666 --> 01:13:54,375
for FY 27 is a partnership with

2332
01:13:54,375 --> 01:13:57,975
the City of Largo. This project

2333
01:13:58,458 --> 01:14:00,458
came to us

2334
01:14:00,833 --> 01:14:02,708
because TD Synnex is

2335
01:14:02,708 --> 01:14:04,791
one of three fortune 500

2336
01:14:04,791 --> 01:14:06,665
companies in Pinellas County.

2337
01:14:06,665 --> 01:14:08,830
They are located in the Bay

2338
01:14:08,830 --> 01:14:09,791
Vista Office Park, which was

2339
01:14:09,791 --> 01:14:13,391
built back in 1984. So some of

2340
01:14:13,665 --> 01:14:15,584
you who have been on the board

2341
01:14:15,584 --> 01:14:17,625
for a while may recall the term

2342
01:14:17,625 --> 01:14:18,665
flight to quality when we did

2343
01:14:18,665 --> 01:14:21,410
the teals update. The idea

2344
01:14:21,410 --> 01:14:23,250
behind that is employers now

2345
01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:25,958
are looking for a bit more in

2346
01:14:25,958 --> 01:14:27,833
where they're located.

2347
01:14:27,833 --> 01:14:29,665
Typically, employers like TD

2348
01:14:29,665 --> 01:14:31,830
Synnex want class A office

2349
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:31,458
space,

2350
01:14:31,458 --> 01:14:32,625
and Bay Vista office

2351
01:14:32,625 --> 01:14:33,875
Park is more like class B,

2352
01:14:33,875 --> 01:14:36,830
class C, and there's

2353
01:14:36,830 --> 01:14:38,292
competition for employers like

2354
01:14:38,292 --> 01:14:40,500
that to go to class A office

2355
01:14:40,500 --> 01:14:42,749
space that have the amenities

2356
01:14:42,749 --> 01:14:44,665
and services that these

2357
01:14:44,665 --> 01:14:46,665
employers expec

2358
01:14:47,375 --> 01:14:49,000
t. And we've

2359
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,542
seen in the past where

2360
01:14:50,542 --> 01:14:51,833
employers like this have gone

2361
01:14:51,833 --> 01:14:54,749
to Midtown and Water Street in

2362
01:14:54,749 --> 01:14:56,958
Hillsborough County or into

2363
01:14:56,958 --> 01:14:59,542
downtown Saint Pete. So Largo

2364
01:14:59,542 --> 01:15:00,875
has asked that we work with

2365
01:15:00,875 --> 01:15:02,666
them on developing a

2366
01:15:02,666 --> 01:15:03,458
redevelopment master

2367
01:15:03,458 --> 01:15:03,833
plan for

2368
01:15:03,833 --> 01:15:06,410
Bay Vista Office Park to come

2369
01:15:06,410 --> 01:15:07,666
up with a series of strategies

2370
01:15:07,666 --> 01:15:11,266
to. With the goal of retaining

2371
01:15:12,410 --> 01:15:14,333
and keeping TD Synnex, as well

2372
01:15:14,333 --> 01:15:16,666
as other employers within that

2373
01:15:16,666 --> 01:15:18,125
very important office park in

2374
01:15:18,125 --> 01:15:20,417
the city of Largo.

2375
01:15:20,417 --> 01:15:21,875
We also plan

2376
01:15:21,875 --> 01:15:23,000
to work with the city of

2377
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:25,375
Dunedin to develop our downtown

2378
01:15:25,375 --> 01:15:27,775
Master Plan update. This

2379
01:15:28,333 --> 01:15:31,665
project is twofold. One is a

2380
01:15:31,665 --> 01:15:33,665
market assessment to understand

2381
01:15:33,665 --> 01:15:35,166
how the market has changed over

2382
01:15:35,166 --> 01:15:37,566
time. Since downtown has

2383
01:15:38,665 --> 01:15:40,665
successfully redeveloped a

2384
01:15:40,791 --> 01:15:42,417
successfully redeveloped their

2385
01:15:42,417 --> 01:15:44,292
downtown. And the other part to

2386
01:15:44,292 --> 01:15:48,492
the project is to develop a. A

2387
01:15:51,333 --> 01:15:53,708
set of guidelines or standards

2388
01:15:53,708 --> 01:15:55,708
that memorialize the. The great

2389
01:15:55,708 --> 01:15:57,666
things about downtown Dunedin.

2390
01:15:57,666 --> 01:15:58,833
It's. It's got a lot of

2391
01:15:58,833 --> 01:16:00,666
character. It's got a lot of

2392
01:16:00,666 --> 01:16:01,833
amenities, but a lot of what

2393
01:16:01,833 --> 01:16:03,666
you see down there is really

2394
01:16:03,666 --> 01:16:06,410
coming from the. Their Housing

2395
01:16:06,410 --> 01:16:07,166
and redevelopment

2396
01:16:07,166 --> 01:16:07,875
manager. And

2397
01:16:07,875 --> 01:16:09,292
so we're going to work with

2398
01:16:09,292 --> 01:16:11,625
them to put that in a plan and

2399
01:16:11,625 --> 01:16:14,125
a series of standards. We also

2400
01:16:14,125 --> 01:16:15,666
plan to work with our partners

2401
01:16:15,666 --> 01:16:17,665
at fDOT, at the county and the

2402
01:16:17,665 --> 01:16:21,125
city of Clearwater to execute a

2403
01:16:21,125 --> 01:16:22,916
corridor study for

2404
01:16:22,916 --> 01:16:23,500
for the Gulf

2405
01:16:23,500 --> 01:16:26,500
to Bay Boulevard corridor. The

2406
01:16:26,584 --> 01:16:28,410
limits of that project will be

2407
01:16:28,410 --> 01:16:30,125
basically from McMullen Booth

2408
01:16:30,125 --> 01:16:32,250
road through downtown and end

2409
01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:35,166
at the roundabout. The overall

2410
01:16:35,166 --> 01:16:38,375
goal is to do a couple of

2411
01:16:38,375 --> 01:16:39,292
things. One is to

2412
01:16:39,292 --> 01:16:39,625
figure out a

2413
01:16:39,625 --> 01:16:41,333
solution for that intersection

2414
01:16:41,333 --> 01:16:43,665
there at Gulf to Bay and

2415
01:16:43,665 --> 01:16:46,333
Belcher. It's been studied for

2416
01:16:46,333 --> 01:16:47,665
quite a while, and there hasn't

2417
01:16:47,665 --> 01:16:50,375
been a resolution to that. And

2418
01:16:50,375 --> 01:16:52,830
so we we hope that the study

2419
01:16:52,830 --> 01:16:54,292
will find a solution to one of

2420
01:16:54,292 --> 01:16:54,875
the most

2421
01:16:54,875 --> 01:16:55,665
dangerous

2422
01:16:55,665 --> 01:16:57,830
intersections in the county.

2423
01:16:57,830 --> 01:16:59,333
The other important piece to it

2424
01:16:59,333 --> 01:17:01,666
is we've been in communication

2425
01:17:01,666 --> 01:17:04,660
with county administration and

2426
01:17:04,375 --> 01:17:06,708
think that the timing of the

2427
01:17:06,708 --> 01:17:08,665
study could support the

2428
01:17:08,665 --> 01:17:10,125
redevelopment of the downtown

2429
01:17:10,125 --> 01:17:10,666
campus for Pin

2430
01:17:10,666 --> 01:17:12,625
ellas County,

2431
01:17:12,625 --> 01:17:14,749
which is going to be vacated

2432
01:17:14,749 --> 01:17:16,916
and then redeveloped. So those

2433
01:17:16,916 --> 01:17:18,458
are kind of the two signature

2434
01:17:18,458 --> 01:17:20,542
pieces of that corridor study.

2435
01:17:20,542 --> 01:17:21,958
The other couple of things that

2436
01:17:21,958 --> 01:17:24,500
are in the budget. You've heard

2437
01:17:24,500 --> 01:17:25,625
us talk about the countywide

2438
01:17:25,625 --> 01:17:26,665
trail planning initiative.

2439
01:17:26,665 --> 01:17:26,665
Ag

2440
01:17:26,665 --> 01:17:29,625
ain, that's just that pilot

2441
01:17:29,625 --> 01:17:32,417
program position for about two

2442
01:17:32,417 --> 01:17:34,166
and a half years or so. That

2443
01:17:34,166 --> 01:17:36,566
will work across jurisdictional

2444
01:17:37,665 --> 01:17:39,584
boundaries to advance trail

2445
01:17:39,584 --> 01:17:41,984
planning countywide. And then,

2446
01:17:43,166 --> 01:17:44,665
you know, you've heard me talk

2447
01:17:44,665 --> 01:17:47,500
about the need to have support

2448
01:17:47,500 --> 01:17:50,375
from our lobbyists as we work

2449
01:17:50,375 --> 01:17:53,916
to amend the special act. So

2450
01:17:53,916 --> 01:17:56,916
all total those equal about

2451
01:17:58,665 --> 01:18:00,665
$691,000. And that's our plan

2452
01:18:00,665 --> 01:18:02,958
to to try and further spin down

2453
01:18:02,958 --> 01:18:06,208
reserves. So I can't talk to

2454
01:18:06,208 --> 01:18:07,375
you all about the budget

2455
01:18:07,375 --> 01:18:09,708
without addressing property tax

2456
01:18:09,708 --> 01:18:11,250
reform through the Joint

2457
01:18:11,250 --> 01:18:12,665
resolution one F I'm sure you

2458
01:18:12,665 --> 01:18:14,625
all are very familia

2459
01:18:14,625 --> 01:18:15,410
r with it

2460
01:18:15,410 --> 01:18:16,958
in your roles with your

2461
01:18:16,958 --> 01:18:19,830
respective cities. I think I've

2462
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:20,625
shared with you in the past

2463
01:18:20,625 --> 01:18:23,410
that it it also has impacts to

2464
01:18:23,410 --> 01:18:24,791
us. Fortunately, the property

2465
01:18:24,791 --> 01:18:27,417
appraiser has a great dashboard

2466
01:18:27,417 --> 01:18:29,791
that estimates what the impact

2467
01:18:29,791 --> 01:18:30,958
would be if it

2468
01:18:30,958 --> 01:18:32,500
passes to all

2469
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:33,833
the taxing authorities across

2470
01:18:33,833 --> 01:18:36,666
the county. So what you see

2471
01:18:36,666 --> 01:18:39,916
here is what that reform would

2472
01:18:39,916 --> 01:18:42,584
mean to the Planning Council.

2473
01:18:42,584 --> 01:18:45,708
So the chart up at top is that

2474
01:18:45,708 --> 01:18:46,458
blue

2475
01:18:46,458 --> 01:18:49,458
line is the current tax

2476
01:18:49,916 --> 01:18:51,791
law and homestead exemption,

2477
01:18:51,791 --> 01:18:53,665
and how much revenue the

2478
01:18:53,665 --> 01:18:55,000
Planning Council would derive

2479
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,833
from the current rate and the

2480
01:18:56,833 --> 01:18:58,875
current exemption. The yellow

2481
01:18:58,875 --> 01:19:01,275
line shows you what

2482
01:19:02,665 --> 01:19:03,665
will happen

2483
01:19:03,665 --> 01:19:05,625
if the referendum passes in

2484
01:19:05,625 --> 01:19:08,500
November to those revenues the

2485
01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:09,500
Planning Council collects for

2486
01:19:09,500 --> 01:19:12,665
its operations. And you can see

2487
01:19:12,665 --> 01:19:15,250
at the on the chart to the

2488
01:19:15,250 --> 01:19:17,000
bottom, that's a percent

2489
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:19,665
breakdown of how much revenue

2490
01:19:19,665 --> 01:19:23,410
will be lost over the years

2491
01:19:23,410 --> 01:19:24,791
through 2030. And you can see

2492
01:19:24,791 --> 01:19:27,191
it's anywhere between 14 and

2493
01:19:28,125 --> 01:19:30,958
24% of our revenue will will be

2494
01:19:30,958 --> 01:19:33,625
lost if that referendum passes.

2495
01:19:33,625 --> 01:19:34,292
So

2496
01:19:34,292 --> 01:19:37,250
in order for us to be good

2497
01:19:37,250 --> 01:19:40,850
stewards of the tax dollars and

2498
01:19:41,410 --> 01:19:44,410
also provide you with proper

2499
01:19:45,458 --> 01:19:46,749
information to inform a

2500
01:19:46,749 --> 01:19:47,916
recommendation on our millage

2501
01:19:47,916 --> 01:19:49,665
rate and budget, we've been

2502
01:19:49,665 --> 01:19:50,500
working

2503
01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:51,665
with the Office of

2504
01:19:51,665 --> 01:19:54,650
Management and Budget to

2505
01:19:54,542 --> 01:19:57,542
develop a five year forecast.

2506
01:19:57,665 --> 01:20:00,650
Looking forward between FY 28

2507
01:20:00,665 --> 01:20:02,417
and FY 32. We have done this in

2508
01:20:02,417 --> 01:20:04,791
the past with them, but it's

2509
01:20:04,791 --> 01:20:06,166
taken greater urgency

2510
01:20:06,166 --> 01:20:08,166
given the

2511
01:20:08,584 --> 01:20:09,833
potential impact to the

2512
01:20:09,833 --> 01:20:12,830
revenues for the council based

2513
01:20:12,830 --> 01:20:13,749
on the increased homestead

2514
01:20:13,749 --> 01:20:17,410
exemption. So what we have done

2515
01:20:17,410 --> 01:20:19,665
is and you know, all you all

2516
01:20:19,665 --> 01:20:21,584
know, I'm I share your work

2517
01:20:21,584 --> 01:20:22,542
kind of person. So

2518
01:20:22,542 --> 01:20:22,665
I've got

2519
01:20:22,665 --> 01:20:24,958
about ten spreadsheets up here.

2520
01:20:24,958 --> 01:20:27,958
We've looked at scenarios that

2521
01:20:28,665 --> 01:20:31,665
forecast what happens to the

2522
01:20:31,708 --> 01:20:34,108
planning Council operations if

2523
01:20:34,665 --> 01:20:37,665
the referendum passes and what

2524
01:20:37,665 --> 01:20:37,916
that drawd

2525
01:20:37,916 --> 01:20:38,958
own looks like on

2526
01:20:38,958 --> 01:20:40,916
reserves, as well as what if

2527
01:20:40,916 --> 01:20:42,665
the referendum doesn't pass?

2528
01:20:42,665 --> 01:20:44,665
And again, what, what that does

2529
01:20:44,665 --> 01:20:48,865
to to reserves. So. What we are

2530
01:20:50,125 --> 01:20:51,665
comfortable with at this time

2531
01:20:51,665 --> 01:20:53,000
is to recommend to you all that

2532
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:53,958
we could

2533
01:20:53,958 --> 01:20:54,958
reduce the millage

2534
01:20:54,958 --> 01:20:58,125
rate to the rollback rate. What

2535
01:20:58,125 --> 01:21:00,875
that means from a revenue

2536
01:21:00,875 --> 01:21:03,410
perspective is in that first

2537
01:21:03,410 --> 01:21:05,375
year that is effective, we lose

2538
01:21:05,375 --> 01:21:07,665
about $420,000 less in property

2539
01:21:07,665 --> 01:21:09,665
tax revenue, and

2540
01:21:09,875 --> 01:21:11,875
then about

2541
01:21:12,500 --> 01:21:13,875
620,000 less in property tax

2542
01:21:13,875 --> 01:21:15,875
revenue thereafter. The

2543
01:21:16,458 --> 01:21:18,625
forecast also has some

2544
01:21:18,625 --> 01:21:20,666
assumptions that were built in

2545
01:21:20,666 --> 01:21:23,250
on the revenue side. So what

2546
01:21:23,250 --> 01:21:25,458
I've provided in your backup,

2547
01:21:25,458 --> 01:21:26,410
and I'll show

2548
01:21:26,410 --> 01:21:27,665
you a couple

2549
01:21:27,665 --> 01:21:30,584
slides after this, what that

2550
01:21:30,584 --> 01:21:32,250
looks like. So 5% annual

2551
01:21:32,250 --> 01:21:33,665
increase in property tax

2552
01:21:33,665 --> 01:21:36,650
revenues, some other increases

2553
01:21:36,166 --> 01:21:38,665
in in revenues, and then a 10%

2554
01:21:38,665 --> 01:21:40,665
increase in expenses. Again, to

2555
01:21:40,665 --> 01:21:41,666
develop a forecast, you got to

2556
01:21:41,666 --> 01:21:42,875
make some assumptions. I'm not

2557
01:21:42,875 --> 01:21:44,665
saying that we have a crystal

2558
01:21:44,665 --> 01:21:45,708
ball and we know what the

2559
01:21:45,708 --> 01:21:47,665
future is going to be like. But

2560
01:21:47,665 --> 01:21:49,791
OMB felt like these percent

2561
01:21:49,791 --> 01:21:51,875
assumptions were pretty solid.

2562
01:21:51,875 --> 01:21:54,275
So. What we have

2563
01:21:57,665 --> 01:21:58,166
determined

2564
01:21:58,166 --> 01:22:00,250
that by adopting the rollback

2565
01:22:00,250 --> 01:22:03,250
rate, there would be a

2566
01:22:04,665 --> 01:22:06,410
predictable drawdown on

2567
01:22:06,410 --> 01:22:09,410
reserves over the next 4 or 5

2568
01:22:09,665 --> 01:22:13,265
years to balance the budget. If

2569
01:22:13,665 --> 01:22:16,500
you look at FY 31, the reserve

2570
01:22:16,500 --> 01:22:18,900
balance will be about $700,000.

2571
01:22:20,708 --> 01:22:22,665
Again, maintaining or adopting

2572
01:22:22,665 --> 01:22:25,665
that millage rollback rate. So

2573
01:22:26,665 --> 01:22:28,410
any questions on that. I know

2574
01:22:28,410 --> 01:22:29,665
it's a lot,

2575
01:22:29,665 --> 01:22:30,791
but I'll try to

2576
01:22:30,791 --> 01:22:31,958
reinforce a little bit of what

2577
01:22:31,958 --> 01:22:34,208
I just told you all. So what

2578
01:22:34,208 --> 01:22:35,333
you're looking at here is one

2579
01:22:35,333 --> 01:22:37,333
of the spreadsheets for the

2580
01:22:37,333 --> 01:22:40,933
forecast. It is what we have

2581
01:22:41,958 --> 01:22:43,584
calculated based on the current

2582
01:22:43,584 --> 01:22:45,250
millage rate. So you can see

2583
01:22:45,250 --> 01:22:45,875
that in

2584
01:22:45,875 --> 01:22:47,875
yellow it's the 0.0175.

2585
01:22:48,542 --> 01:22:51,417
Here are the five years. So FY

2586
01:22:51,417 --> 01:22:54,417
28 through FY 32. And then this

2587
01:22:54,417 --> 01:22:56,584
top portion of the spreadsheet

2588
01:22:56,584 --> 01:22:58,665
are the revenues with with our

2589
01:22:58,665 --> 01:22:59,665
rate. And then those

2590
01:22:59,665 --> 01:23:00,665
assumptions that I told you

2591
01:23:00,665 --> 01:23:01,665
about about revenue

2592
01:23:01,665 --> 01:23:02,584
growth.

2593
01:23:02,584 --> 01:23:03,665
There's also assumptions that

2594
01:23:03,665 --> 01:23:06,708
were put into the forecast to

2595
01:23:06,708 --> 01:23:08,292
estimate our expenses going out

2596
01:23:08,292 --> 01:23:10,708
those five years. The thing

2597
01:23:10,708 --> 01:23:12,833
that I want you to kind of

2598
01:23:12,833 --> 01:23:15,833
focus in on is what does that

2599
01:23:15,833 --> 01:23:17,458
do to reserve

2600
01:23:17,458 --> 01:23:18,665
s? So reserves are

2601
01:23:18,665 --> 01:23:21,665
down here and you can see where

2602
01:23:21,665 --> 01:23:24,000
we are right now at FY 27. And

2603
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:25,665
then that systematic drawdown

2604
01:23:25,665 --> 01:23:27,458
of reserves in the intervening

2605
01:23:27,458 --> 01:23:29,625
five years. And you can see at

2606
01:23:29,625 --> 01:23:32,125
the very bottom how much extra

2607
01:23:32,125 --> 01:23:33,791
or how much

2608
01:23:33,791 --> 01:23:34,250
reserves are being

2609
01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:35,958
drawn upon over time to balance

2610
01:23:35,958 --> 01:23:37,958
the budget. So that's at the

2611
01:23:37,958 --> 01:23:40,958
current rate. We also did

2612
01:23:42,500 --> 01:23:44,208
various scenarios all the way

2613
01:23:44,208 --> 01:23:46,665
down to look at the financial

2614
01:23:46,665 --> 01:23:47,666
picture. If we reduce the

2615
01:23:47,666 --> 01:23:50,660
millage rate down to

2616
01:23:50,665 --> 01:23:51,458
0.0145. So

2617
01:23:51,458 --> 01:23:52,708
again, same assumptions for

2618
01:23:52,708 --> 01:23:55,665
those five years. Now the

2619
01:23:55,665 --> 01:23:58,208
reserve line item here you can

2620
01:23:58,208 --> 01:24:01,208
see the drawdown there in 28,

2621
01:24:02,665 --> 01:24:04,958
then 29. And then we're

2622
01:24:04,958 --> 01:24:05,458
negative

2623
01:24:05,458 --> 01:24:07,458
in 30 3132. So this

2624
01:24:12,292 --> 01:24:15,292
last spreadsheet is what we're

2625
01:24:15,542 --> 01:24:16,875
recommending. The rollback rate

2626
01:24:16,875 --> 01:24:18,410
according to OMB at this point

2627
01:24:18,410 --> 01:24:20,410
is 0.0171.

2628
01:24:21,665 --> 01:24:22,665
Again same five year

2629
01:24:22,665 --> 01:24:25,650
same assumptions reserve level.

2630
01:24:25,375 --> 01:24:26,665
This is what the request looks

2631
01:24:26,665 --> 01:24:28,542
like here and about $8 million.

2632
01:24:28,542 --> 01:24:30,830
But again, even at the rollback

2633
01:24:30,830 --> 01:24:31,665
rate, you can see the drawdown

2634
01:24:31,665 --> 01:24:33,791
on reserves. And then we're

2635
01:24:33,791 --> 01:24:37,391
okay. In FY 31 it's FY 32 where

2636
01:24:38,791 --> 01:24:40,916
we're negative. But if we were

2637
01:24:40,916 --> 01:24:42,830
to adopt a rollback rate, we

2638
01:24:42,830 --> 01:24:44,665
would start to make other

2639
01:24:44,665 --> 01:24:47,125
changes most likely next year

2640
01:24:47,125 --> 01:24:50,725
on kind of right sizing our

2641
01:24:51,125 --> 01:24:52,875
expenses to make sure that we

2642
01:24:52,875 --> 01:24:53,000
ar

2643
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:55,500
e in a positive financial

2644
01:24:55,500 --> 01:24:56,749
position. Again, going out

2645
01:24:56,749 --> 01:24:58,749
those five years.

2646
01:25:00,500 --> 01:25:02,916
Brian Scott: Rodney. Yes. These all these

2647
01:25:02,916 --> 01:25:05,125
assume amendment three passes.

2648
01:25:05,125 --> 01:25:06,166
Rodney Chatman: Yes.

2649
01:25:06,166 --> 01:25:07,666
Brian Scott: Okay. Do you have one with

2650
01:25:07,666 --> 01:25:09,000
the the

2651
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,292
rollback that if it

2652
01:25:11,292 --> 01:25:13,292
didn't pass.

2653
01:25:13,458 --> 01:25:15,458
It's out.

2654
01:25:19,125 --> 01:25:20,417
Rodney Chatman: Pete, can you switch to the

2655
01:25:20,417 --> 01:25:21,584
overhead. Commissioner, I don't

2656
01:25:21,584 --> 01:25:23,833
have one with the rollback, but

2657
01:25:23,833 --> 01:25:24,875
the closest I

2658
01:25:24,875 --> 01:25:27,275
have to that. I

2659
01:25:29,665 --> 01:25:29,916
know you.

2660
01:25:29,916 --> 01:25:31,666
Probably can't see that.

2661
01:25:31,666 --> 01:25:33,584
That well.

2662
01:25:33,584 --> 01:25:34,875
This is at the current

2663
01:25:34,875 --> 01:25:37,625
millage rate. And then if it

2664
01:25:37,625 --> 01:25:40,542
doesn't pass and FY 32 we're

2665
01:25:40,542 --> 01:25:41,708
still at about

2666
01:25:41,708 --> 01:25:42,833
3.2 million in

2667
01:25:42,833 --> 01:25:43,665
reserves.

2668
01:25:43,665 --> 01:25:45,410
Brian Scott: Okay.

2669
01:25:45,410 --> 01:25:46,833
Whit Blanton: So the way we've been

2670
01:25:46,833 --> 01:25:49,125
approaching this is just kind

2671
01:25:49,125 --> 01:25:50,708
of really trying to be fiscally

2672
01:25:50,708 --> 01:25:53,665
prudent for our agency. And

2673
01:25:53,665 --> 01:25:56,625
this ballot is, you know,

2674
01:25:56,625 --> 01:25:56,666
initiative

2675
01:25:56,666 --> 01:25:57,665
is going to be voted

2676
01:25:57,665 --> 01:25:59,625
on by the voters in November.

2677
01:25:59,625 --> 01:26:00,666
We don't know how that's going

2678
01:26:00,666 --> 01:26:02,625
to turn out. The voters are

2679
01:26:02,625 --> 01:26:03,666
going to have an opportunity,

2680
01:26:03,666 --> 01:26:05,208
and we will spend down our

2681
01:26:05,208 --> 01:26:07,665
reserves to the tune of about

2682
01:26:07,665 --> 01:26:10,665
$300,000 by the year 2032 if it

2683
01:26:11,665 --> 01:26:12,665
passes. So the r

2684
01:26:12,665 --> 01:26:13,208
eserves are

2685
01:26:13,208 --> 01:26:15,665
going to get spent down. In the

2686
01:26:15,665 --> 01:26:17,166
meantime, what we've outlined

2687
01:26:17,166 --> 01:26:19,566
here is roughly $700,000 of

2688
01:26:21,410 --> 01:26:22,833
reserve funding that we are

2689
01:26:22,833 --> 01:26:25,233
putting into the 27 budget.

2690
01:26:25,333 --> 01:26:27,830
That is a commitment to begin

2691
01:26:27,830 --> 01:26:28,665
spending down those dollars. If

2692
01:26:28,665 --> 01:26:30,791
the amendment doesn't pass and

2693
01:26:30,791 --> 01:26:32,666
we only go to the rollback rate

2694
01:26:32,666 --> 01:26:34,125
this year, we are going to come

2695
01:26:34,125 --> 01:26:35,833
back to you next year with a

2696
01:26:35,833 --> 01:26:37,000
with a little bit more

2697
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:37,958
aggressive millage rate

2698
01:26:37,958 --> 01:26:40,166
reduction at that point, or

2699
01:26:40,166 --> 01:26:41,250
another commitment to show how

2700
01:26:41,250 --> 01:26:42,958
we're lowering the reserve

2701
01:26:42,958 --> 01:26:45,830
reserve spending in the future.

2702
01:26:45,830 --> 01:26:47,250
But I can't in good conscience

2703
01:26:47,250 --> 01:26:49,830
recommend the aggressive

2704
01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:50,584
millage reduction that we were

2705
01:26:50,584 --> 01:26:51,875
talking about two months ago

2706
01:26:51,875 --> 01:26:54,875
just because by fiscal year 30,

2707
01:26:56,665 --> 01:26:59,708
we would be I think it's over

2708
01:26:59,708 --> 01:27:00,665
$300,000 in the

2709
01:27:00,665 --> 01:27:02,410
deficit

2710
01:27:02,410 --> 01:27:03,830
situation, which would have a

2711
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:04,333
real impact on our staffing

2712
01:27:04,333 --> 01:27:05,916
ability and ability to function.

2713
01:27:05,916 --> 01:27:07,830
And as we've talked about a

2714
01:27:07,830 --> 01:27:08,625
little bit with the

2715
01:27:08,625 --> 01:27:10,625
subcommittee, you know,

2716
01:27:11,458 --> 01:27:12,500
planning departments are

2717
01:27:12,500 --> 01:27:14,830
probably not well protected

2718
01:27:14,830 --> 01:27:16,458
when the millage rate, when the

2719
01:27:16,458 --> 01:27:16,584
mi

2720
01:27:16,584 --> 01:27:17,542
llage, when the homestead

2721
01:27:17,542 --> 01:27:19,666
exemption is extended. And I

2722
01:27:19,666 --> 01:27:21,665
don't think there's going to be

2723
01:27:21,665 --> 01:27:22,749
a lot of capacity for local

2724
01:27:22,749 --> 01:27:23,875
governments in Pinellas County

2725
01:27:23,875 --> 01:27:24,749
to undertake planning

2726
01:27:24,749 --> 01:27:26,830
activities. And with the

2727
01:27:26,830 --> 01:27:28,250
charter requirement that we do

2728
01:27:28,250 --> 01:27:30,830
countywide planning, we may be

2729
01:27:30,830 --> 01:27:32,483
the last county planning

2730
01:27:32,665 --> 01:27:34,708
department standing. And I

2731
01:27:34,708 --> 01:27:36,665
think demand will probably

2732
01:27:36,665 --> 01:27:39,410
increase on our services. It

2733
01:27:39,410 --> 01:27:39,916
doesn't mean that everybody's

2734
01:27:39,916 --> 01:27:41,250
going to cut their planning

2735
01:27:41,250 --> 01:27:42,665
department, but it's kind of

2736
01:27:42,665 --> 01:27:44,333
like Parks and Recreation. It's

2737
01:27:44,333 --> 01:27:45,665
going to be one of those things

2738
01:27:45,665 --> 01:27:47,333
that people will say, well,

2739
01:27:47,333 --> 01:27:48,417
that's not police and that'

2740
01:27:48,417 --> 01:27:48,500
s

2741
01:27:48,500 --> 01:27:49,665
not fire. That may be something

2742
01:27:49,665 --> 01:27:51,665
that that could could cut. So

2743
01:27:51,665 --> 01:27:53,458
we're proposing we go to the

2744
01:27:53,458 --> 01:27:55,375
rollback rate that that does

2745
01:27:55,375 --> 01:27:57,775
not require a supermajority,

2746
01:27:58,584 --> 01:28:01,000
which would be a requirement of

2747
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:03,625
keeping the millage rate as is.

2748
01:28:03,625 --> 01:28:04,584
So and we do

2749
01:28:04,584 --> 01:28:05,625
think we have more

2750
01:28:05,625 --> 01:28:07,250
reserves than we need. So the

2751
01:28:07,250 --> 01:28:09,417
way we've kind of balanced this

2752
01:28:09,417 --> 01:28:11,500
out from a staff perspective is

2753
01:28:11,500 --> 01:28:13,208
let's demonstrate to the voters,

2754
01:28:13,208 --> 01:28:14,166
let's demonstrate to the

2755
01:28:14,166 --> 01:28:15,500
elected officials that we can

2756
01:28:15,500 --> 01:28:16,708
reduce our millage rate because

2757
01:28:16,708 --> 01:28:18,708
we are bringing in more revenue

2758
01:28:18,708 --> 01:28:20,665
than we need right now. But at

2759
01:28:20,665 --> 01:28:22,166
the same time, if the amendment

2760
01:28:22,166 --> 01:28:23,665
passes, we're going to be

2761
01:28:23,665 --> 01:28:26,830
needing those reserves to keep

2762
01:28:26,830 --> 01:28:27,875
us going for the next 3 to 4

2763
01:28:27,875 --> 01:28:29,875
years.

2764
01:28:30,749 --> 01:28:32,665
Brian Scott: Questions?

2765
01:28:32,665 --> 01:28:34,584
Yes.

2766
01:28:34,584 --> 01:28:35,665
Chris Scherer: Yeah. Thank you, Chair.

2767
01:28:35,665 --> 01:28:37,665
Rodney, on the

2768
01:28:38,410 --> 01:28:38,417
the charges for

2769
01:28:38,417 --> 01:28:41,417
other services that that's what

2770
01:28:41,665 --> 01:28:44,125
the local governments pay for.

2771
01:28:44,125 --> 01:28:44,791
No.

2772
01:28:44,791 --> 01:28:46,250
Rodney Chatman: No, those are the revenues

2773
01:28:46,250 --> 01:28:47,666
that we receive from the MPO.

2774
01:28:47,666 --> 01:28:50,665
So you remember me saying that

2775
01:28:50,665 --> 01:28:52,125
the PPC fronts the costs

2776
01:28:52,125 --> 01:28:52,708
of the

2777
01:28:52,708 --> 01:28:54,916
MPO and then the MPO reimbursed

2778
01:28:54,916 --> 01:28:56,665
the the PPC on a quarterly

2779
01:28:56,665 --> 01:28:59,375
basis. So that money that we

2780
01:28:59,375 --> 01:29:01,417
get back from the MPO shows up

2781
01:29:01,417 --> 01:29:02,292
as revenue.

2782
01:29:02,292 --> 01:29:03,665
Chris Scherer: So we're we're where are you

2783
01:29:03,665 --> 01:29:04,665
showing the revenue that you

2784
01:29:04,665 --> 01:29:06,208
get when you charge other.

2785
01:29:06,208 --> 01:29:09,375
Rodney Chatman: Oh, I see right.

2786
01:29:09,375 --> 01:29:10,625
Chris Scherer: I didn't see it on this.

2787
01:29:10,625 --> 01:29:12,665
Rodney Chatman: Oh, it's it's very little

2788
01:29:12,665 --> 01:29:14,458
right there. It's less than

2789
01:29:14,458 --> 01:29:15,000
$5,000.

2790
01:29:15,000 --> 01:29:16,500
Chris Scherer: Okay. All right. I didn't

2791
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:18,500
realize that. Okay.

2792
01:29:19,665 --> 01:29:20,791
Whit Blanton: And that's an estimate

2793
01:29:20,791 --> 01:29:21,958
because projects may come up in

2794
01:29:21,958 --> 01:29:24,358
the fiscal year where

2795
01:29:24,791 --> 01:29:25,333
we want

2796
01:29:25,333 --> 01:29:27,665
to do a 50/50 commitment.

2797
01:29:27,665 --> 01:29:29,584
Chris Scherer: So and I was confused about

2798
01:29:29,584 --> 01:29:31,984
the personnel services. They

2799
01:29:32,333 --> 01:29:34,333
they dropped 1,000,008 and 26.

2800
01:29:36,500 --> 01:29:37,665
And then they're going to bump

2801
01:29:37,665 --> 01:29:41,265
them back up to 2.5. I didn't.

2802
01:29:41,665 --> 01:29:42,708
And for 27.

2803
01:29:42,708 --> 01:29:44,791
Rodney Chatman: we take those numbers

2804
01:29:44,791 --> 01:29:48,991
from OMB. So we only. We have

2805
01:29:49,625 --> 01:29:50,916
control of most of those line

2806
01:29:50,916 --> 01:29:52,665
items. But for the personnel,

2807
01:29:52,665 --> 01:29:55,650
the salary benefits, those

2808
01:29:55,665 --> 01:29:55,833
things

2809
01:29:55,833 --> 01:29:57,125
, we get those figures

2810
01:29:57,125 --> 01:29:58,166
from the Office of Management

2811
01:29:58,166 --> 01:29:59,375
budget. So it's probably a

2812
01:29:59,375 --> 01:30:01,666
question for Chris Rose.

2813
01:30:01,666 --> 01:30:02,791
Chris Scherer: it's a $600,000 question. For some

2814
01:30:02,791 --> 01:30:05,333
reason, I didn't see what the

2815
01:30:05,333 --> 01:30:06,666
justification for that bump.

2816
01:30:06,666 --> 01:30:08,208
Whit Blanton: It doesn't include any

2817
01:30:08,208 --> 01:30:09,542
additional staff persons other

2818
01:30:09,542 --> 01:30:12,542
than the trail planner position.

2819
01:30:14,375 --> 01:30:15,542
Chris Scherer: Okay. So yeah, I really

2820
01:30:15,542 --> 01:30:16,833
don't understand the number now

2821
01:30:16,833 --> 01:30:19,233
because it goes from 1.8

2822
01:30:19,749 --> 01:30:21,749
million to 2 point, almost 2.6.

2823
01:30:21,749 --> 01:30:23,292
So I don't know why that number

2824
01:30:23,292 --> 01:30:25,833
is jumping up. And the reason I

2825
01:30:25,833 --> 01:30:27,333
asked, because the budget that

2826
01:30:27,333 --> 01:30:28,292
I studied that I

2827
01:30:28,292 --> 01:30:28,625
really liked

2828
01:30:28,625 --> 01:30:31,250
was 6.0165, because I thought.

2829
01:30:34,166 --> 01:30:35,833
That budget I really liked

2830
01:30:35,833 --> 01:30:37,250
because, I mean, we don't need

2831
01:30:37,250 --> 01:30:39,125
all these reserves. They can't

2832
01:30:39,125 --> 01:30:43,325
be used for the MPO. This, this

2833
01:30:43,458 --> 01:30:43,708
one

2834
01:30:43,708 --> 01:30:45,665
that you gave me, gave us

2835
01:30:45,665 --> 01:30:48,650
that says 0.0165 would actually

2836
01:30:49,833 --> 01:30:51,665
provide not just a millage rate

2837
01:30:51,665 --> 01:30:52,749
reduction, but would actually

2838
01:30:52,749 --> 01:30:55,665
provide a small, you know, tax

2839
01:30:55,665 --> 01:30:58,665
tax cut. And I think that would

2840
01:30:58,665 --> 01:30:59,665
be something that we could

2841
01:30:59,665 --> 01:30:59,666
show

2842
01:30:59,666 --> 01:31:01,665
the citizens. Do we roll it

2843
01:31:01,665 --> 01:31:02,791
back more than a millage rate.

2844
01:31:02,791 --> 01:31:04,665
We're actually going to get a

2845
01:31:04,665 --> 01:31:05,666
reduction in your taxes this

2846
01:31:05,666 --> 01:31:08,666
year. And the deficits very,

2847
01:31:09,665 --> 01:31:13,265
very small on that budget. And

2848
01:31:13,333 --> 01:31:15,333
I believe

2849
01:31:15,665 --> 01:31:16,665
I just don't

2850
01:31:16,665 --> 01:31:17,958
understand the the number, but

2851
01:31:17,958 --> 01:31:19,458
I think it's very close. It's

2852
01:31:19,458 --> 01:31:20,916
manageable. So I think we could

2853
01:31:20,916 --> 01:31:22,916
do more if we wanted to. I just

2854
01:31:22,916 --> 01:31:24,749
wanted to point that out. 2.65

2855
01:31:24,749 --> 01:31:25,958
everybody got in their packet.

2856
01:31:25,958 --> 01:31:28,666
It works. It wouldn't run a. We

2857
01:31:28,666 --> 01:31:29,833
wouldn't run out of reserves

2858
01:31:29,833 --> 01:31:31,665
until 2032.

2859
01:31:31,665 --> 01:31:32,417
If nothing else

2860
01:31:32,417 --> 01:31:33,417
changes and something else

2861
01:31:33,417 --> 01:31:35,250
would change. So just pointing

2862
01:31:35,250 --> 01:31:36,958
that out, I mean, I love the

2863
01:31:36,958 --> 01:31:38,125
rollback, but we, I think we

2864
01:31:38,125 --> 01:31:39,958
could do better if, if the

2865
01:31:39,958 --> 01:31:42,410
board wanted to. So a little

2866
01:31:42,410 --> 01:31:43,791
bit, just a little.

2867
01:31:43,791 --> 01:31:44,833
Whit Blanton: Ultimately, this is a

2868
01:31:44,833 --> 01:31:46,000
recommendation to the Board of

2869
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,000
County commissioners, right?

2870
01:31:48,208 --> 01:31:49,250
Rodney Chatman: That's correct.

2871
01:31:49,250 --> 01:31:50,250
Brian Scott: Okay. Thank you.

2872
01:31:50,250 --> 01:31:52,500
Commissioner Scherer. Share any other

2873
01:31:52,500 --> 01:31:54,900
thoughts or comments, Mike.

2874
01:31:56,125 --> 01:31:57,665
Mike Eisner: Just a statement. Last night

2875
01:31:57,665 --> 01:31:58,958
we did our budget or our one of

2876
01:31:58,958 --> 01:32:01,625
our first ones. And just the

2877
01:32:01,625 --> 01:32:05,830
early feedback, what we have is

2878
01:32:05,830 --> 01:32:07,665
64% of the poll is in favor of

2879
01:32:07,665 --> 01:32:10,665
this property tax, you know,

2880
01:32:10,791 --> 01:32:12,665
cutback and savings. So I'm

2881
01:32:12,665 --> 01:32:14,000
glad to see that we're doing

2882
01:32:14,000 --> 01:32:16,208
this and that we're being

2883
01:32:16,208 --> 01:32:17,958
conscientious because it's

2884
01:32:17,958 --> 01:32:20,833
looking like it's going to fly.

2885
01:32:20,833 --> 01:32:22,833
Brian Scott: Okay.

2886
01:32:24,410 --> 01:32:26,441
Anybody else? All right.

2887
01:32:27,000 --> 01:32:28,625
Tina, do we have any members of

2888
01:32:28,625 --> 01:32:29,665
the public that wish to speak

2889
01:32:29,665 --> 01:32:30,665
on this item?

2890
01:32:30,665 --> 01:32:32,542
Tina Jablon: No, chair, we do not.

2891
01:32:32,542 --> 01:32:35,665
Brian Scott: Okay. All right. What is the

2892
01:32:35,665 --> 01:32:37,749
will of the board on this move?

2893
01:32:37,749 --> 01:32:38,833
Ricky Butler: Approval. Second.

2894
01:32:38,833 --> 01:32:40,375
Brian Scott: Okay. We have a motion from

2895
01:32:40,375 --> 01:32:42,775
Ricky, second from Tom.

2896
01:32:43,665 --> 01:32:44,958
Whit Blanton: Can we clarify what the

2897
01:32:44,958 --> 01:32:46,625
motion is for? Is that for the

2898
01:32:46,625 --> 01:32:47,833
staff recommendation of the

2899
01:32:47,833 --> 01:32:49,833
millage rate reduction?

2900
01:32:50,500 --> 01:32:51,749
Ricky Butler: Yes.

2901
01:32:51,749 --> 01:32:53,292
Whit Blanton: 0.0171. The rollback rate.

2902
01:32:53,292 --> 01:32:53,916
Ricky Butler: Yes.

2903
01:32:53,916 --> 01:32:58,116
Brian Scott: Okay. Now, now exhibit A

2904
01:32:58,665 --> 01:33:00,830
Rodney does not have the

2905
01:33:00,830 --> 01:33:01,666
correct numbers on it. So we.

2906
01:33:01,666 --> 01:33:03,665
Rodney Chatman: Have to be updated and

2907
01:33:03,665 --> 01:33:05,125
attached to the resolution

2908
01:33:05,125 --> 01:33:06,665
resolution that you all adopt.

2909
01:33:06,665 --> 01:33:07,333
And that will

2910
01:33:07,333 --> 01:33:08,665
occur after this

2911
01:33:08,665 --> 01:33:10,208
action. And okay. Make sure

2912
01:33:10,208 --> 01:33:12,208
it's all okay.

2913
01:33:12,375 --> 01:33:13,665
Brian Scott: Okay. Just make sure that's

2914
01:33:13,665 --> 01:33:16,410
on the record. Okay. All right.

2915
01:33:16,410 --> 01:33:18,665
Is there any further discussion

2916
01:33:18,665 --> 01:33:21,375
on this item? Okay. All in

2917
01:33:21,375 --> 01:33:23,375
favor

2918
01:33:23,500 --> 01:33:26,500
opposed? Okay. So we have

2919
01:33:28,125 --> 01:33:30,665
Mayor Love was in opposition.

2920
01:33:30,665 --> 01:33:32,708
Okay. All right. Motion carries.

2921
01:33:32,708 --> 01:33:33,708
Thank you everybody. That was

2922
01:33:33,708 --> 01:33:34,958
our last action item. So now we

2923
01:33:34,958 --> 01:33:37,916
can go into our presentation items.

2924
01:33:37,916 --> 01:33:40,458
Whit Blanton: Don't everybody leave.

2925
01:33:40,458 --> 01:33:41,708
Brian Scott: All right. So now we'll go

2926
01:33:41,708 --> 01:33:44,417
back up to item six a PSTA

2927
01:33:44,417 --> 01:33:46,166
activities report.

2928
01:33:46,166 --> 01:33:48,375
Tom Reid: Thank you, Mr. Chair. The

2929
01:33:48,375 --> 01:33:50,542
state board met on Wednesday,

2930
01:33:50,542 --> 01:33:52,250
June 24th, 2026. The board

2931
01:33:52,250 --> 01:33:54,000
meeting began with a special

2932
01:33:54,000 --> 01:33:55,208
presentation on the two

2933
01:33:55,208 --> 01:33:57,665
marketing awards, PSTA one at

2934
01:33:57,665 --> 01:33:59,125
the Florida Public

2935
01:33:59,125 --> 01:34:00,292
Transportation Association

2936
01:34:00,292 --> 01:34:02,333
Awards ceremony last month.

2937
01:34:02,333 --> 01:34:04,166
First, an award for stars 40

2938
01:34:04,166 --> 01:34:06,417
year history book, and second

2939
01:34:06,417 --> 01:34:07,625
for the ridership and marketing

2940
01:34:07,625 --> 01:34:10,250
of stars newest limited stop

2941
01:34:10,250 --> 01:34:10,958
premium service

2942
01:34:10,958 --> 01:34:11,665
route, the

2943
01:34:11,665 --> 01:34:13,584
Spark in Saint Pete between

2944
01:34:13,584 --> 01:34:14,625
Eckerd College and Grand

2945
01:34:14,625 --> 01:34:16,417
Central Station. The board

2946
01:34:16,417 --> 01:34:17,665
approved several items during

2947
01:34:17,665 --> 01:34:18,833
the June meeting. These

2948
01:34:18,833 --> 01:34:21,000
included a renewal of Stars

2949
01:34:21,000 --> 01:34:22,125
employee health benefits for

2950
01:34:22,125 --> 01:34:24,125
fiscal year 27, funding

2951
01:34:24,833 --> 01:34:26,500
agreements with several

2952
01:34:26,500 --> 01:34:27,500
nonprofits under the

2953
01:34:27,500 --> 01:34:28,916
Transportation Disadvantage, or

2954
01:34:28,916 --> 01:34:30,665
TD grant program that's

2955
01:34:30,665 --> 01:34:32,250
administered by the state. As

2956
01:34:32,250 --> 01:34:33,916
the Community Transportation

2957
01:34:33,916 --> 01:34:35,666
Coordinator for Pinellas County,

2958
01:34:35,666 --> 01:34:37,875
Psta is responsible for all TD

2959
01:34:37,875 --> 01:34:39,665
services in the county, which

2960
01:34:39,665 --> 01:34:40,708
includes the administration of

2961
01:34:40,708 --> 01:34:42,708
TD bus passes, paratransit

2962
01:34:42,708 --> 01:34:43,333
and

2963
01:34:43,333 --> 01:34:44,708
nonprofit eligible trips so

2964
01:34:44,708 --> 01:34:46,208
they can provide transportation

2965
01:34:46,208 --> 01:34:47,958
to their own TD eligible

2966
01:34:47,958 --> 01:34:50,125
clients. The nonprofits include

2967
01:34:50,125 --> 01:34:52,525
Neighborly Care Network, Park

2968
01:34:53,830 --> 01:34:54,833
Arc, and the Homeless Emergency

2969
01:34:54,833 --> 01:34:56,375
Project, funding over 5.8

2970
01:34:56,375 --> 01:34:57,665
million over the next five

2971
01:34:57,665 --> 01:34:58,708
years. The

2972
01:34:58,708 --> 01:35:00,375
board also heard one

2973
01:35:00,375 --> 01:35:02,417
information update from Psta

2974
01:35:02,417 --> 01:35:03,749
CFO Debbie Lewis, who presented

2975
01:35:03,749 --> 01:35:05,916
a summary on the fiscal year 27

2976
01:35:05,916 --> 01:35:08,410
operating and capital budget.

2977
01:35:08,410 --> 01:35:09,665
We will receive budget updates

2978
01:35:09,665 --> 01:35:11,410
again in July and August before

2979
01:35:11,410 --> 01:35:13,441
final adoption in September,

2980
01:35:13,665 --> 01:35:14,665
and the next Psta board m

2981
01:35:14,665 --> 01:35:14,916
eeting

2982
01:35:14,916 --> 01:35:17,916
is Wednesday, July 22nd at 9

2983
01:35:18,292 --> 01:35:19,542
a.m. And that concludes my

2984
01:35:19,542 --> 01:35:19,665
report.

2985
01:35:19,665 --> 01:35:21,665
Brian Scott: Thank you Tom. All right.

2986
01:35:21,665 --> 01:35:23,542
We'll move on to item 6 B

2987
01:35:23,542 --> 01:35:24,665
Regional Activities Report.

2988
01:35:24,665 --> 01:35:25,791
Whit Blanton: Okay, I'll handle this one.

2989
01:35:25,791 --> 01:35:27,665
I'll go fairly quickly. I just

2990
01:35:27,665 --> 01:35:28,875
wanted to let you all know that

2991
01:35:28,875 --> 01:35:30,665
we have kicked off our

2992
01:35:30,665 --> 01:35:30,833
regional

2993
01:35:30,833 --> 01:35:32,333
transportation planning

2994
01:35:32,333 --> 01:35:33,333
prioritization process. I'm not

2995
01:35:33,333 --> 01:35:34,665
going to give you the full name.

2996
01:35:34,665 --> 01:35:36,916
It's a bunch of peas, but this

2997
01:35:36,916 --> 01:35:38,665
was a grant that was awarded to

2998
01:35:38,665 --> 01:35:40,875
the Hillsborough County MPO or

2999
01:35:40,875 --> 01:35:43,410
TPO, and we are partnering with

3000
01:35:43,410 --> 01:35:44,749
them and Pasco County. So it's

3001
01:35:44,749 --> 01:35:47,333
an early form of regional

3002
01:35:47,333 --> 01:35:48,666
regionalization. We had the

3003
01:35:48,666 --> 01:35:50,665
kickoff meeting about a week

3004
01:35:50,665 --> 01:35:52,665
ago, and Chelsea and Caitlin of

3005
01:35:52,665 --> 01:35:53,916
our staff are kind of the point

3006
01:35:53,916 --> 01:35:56,830
people for that. And they have

3007
01:35:56,830 --> 01:35:58,125
hired a consultant and we are

3008
01:35:58,125 --> 01:35:59,292
integrating the regional

3009
01:35:59,292 --> 01:36:01,417
benefit cost analysis tool that

3010
01:36:01,417 --> 01:36:02,584
our staff developed. M

3011
01:36:02,584 --> 01:36:02,665
achine

3012
01:36:02,665 --> 01:36:03,791
gave you that presentation last

3013
01:36:03,791 --> 01:36:06,166
week, and what we are doing is

3014
01:36:06,166 --> 01:36:07,208
we were looking at

3015
01:36:07,208 --> 01:36:08,208
transportation trends,

3016
01:36:08,208 --> 01:36:10,208
transportation projects, and

3017
01:36:10,666 --> 01:36:11,916
determining a methodology that

3018
01:36:11,916 --> 01:36:13,665
will be consistent across all

3019
01:36:13,665 --> 01:36:16,650
three MPOs for prioritization,

3020
01:36:16,125 --> 01:36:17,875
prioritizing transportation

3021
01:36:17,875 --> 01:36:19,875
projects. And

3022
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:20,708
we're all really

3023
01:36:20,708 --> 01:36:21,749
excited about this project

3024
01:36:21,749 --> 01:36:23,417
because we all do it a little

3025
01:36:23,417 --> 01:36:24,458
bit differently. But as you

3026
01:36:24,458 --> 01:36:25,665
know, transportation doesn't

3027
01:36:25,665 --> 01:36:27,665
stop at a county line. So the

3028
01:36:27,665 --> 01:36:31,208
goal is to begin outreach and

3029
01:36:31,208 --> 01:36:32,375
engagement immediately. We'll

3030
01:36:32,375 --> 01:36:34,542
have a website live in August.

3031
01:36:34,542 --> 01:36:36,292
We will create a project

3032
01:36:36,292 --> 01:36:38,665
dashboard that will guide the

3033
01:36:38,665 --> 01:36:40,250
analysis and development of

3034
01:36:40,250 --> 01:36:41,665
recommendations for

3035
01:36:41,665 --> 01:36:43,791
prioritization for all of the

3036
01:36:43,791 --> 01:36:45,665
MPOs to integrate best

3037
01:36:45,665 --> 01:36:47,125
practices. And the goal is to

3038
01:36:47,125 --> 01:36:49,292
bring a unified process to our

3039
01:36:49,292 --> 01:36:50,665
committees and our boards this

3040
01:36:50,665 --> 01:36:53,125
November, so that it's ready to

3041
01:36:53,125 --> 01:36:54,916
use in our project

3042
01:36:54,916 --> 01:36:57,125
prioritization for next year.

3043
01:36:57,125 --> 01:36:58,458
And so I just wanted to give

3044
01:36:58,458 --> 01:37:00,292
you a heads up that we are

3045
01:37:00,292 --> 01:37:01,333
coordinating regionally on that.

3046
01:37:01,333 --> 01:37:03,292
And the goal is to have this to

3047
01:37:03,292 --> 01:37:04,500
where it can telescope and

3048
01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:06,500
identify regionally significant

3049
01:37:06,625 --> 01:37:07,665
projects, but also projects at

3050
01:37:07,665 --> 01:37:09,000
the local scale that are

3051
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,833
evaluated similarly. That might

3052
01:37:10,833 --> 01:37:12,665
not be regionally significant,

3053
01:37:12,665 --> 01:37:13,665
but are still meaningful to

3054
01:37:13,665 --> 01:37:16,650
local communities. So that's

3055
01:37:17,292 --> 01:37:18,458
underway, basically just a

3056
01:37:18,458 --> 01:37:20,000
heads up. And then another

3057
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:21,250
heads up is many of you have

3058
01:37:21,250 --> 01:37:22,333
participated or at least

3059
01:37:22,333 --> 01:37:23,000
seen

3060
01:37:23,000 --> 01:37:25,665
the reports on the regional

3061
01:37:25,665 --> 01:37:27,458
competitiveness report that the

3062
01:37:27,458 --> 01:37:28,665
Tampa Bay partnership

3063
01:37:28,665 --> 01:37:29,708
undertakes. And they've been

3064
01:37:29,708 --> 01:37:32,458
doing that now for, I believe,

3065
01:37:32,458 --> 01:37:34,749
about ten years, where they

3066
01:37:34,749 --> 01:37:37,410
benchmark the Tampa Bay region

3067
01:37:37,410 --> 01:37:38,458
against other

3068
01:37:38,458 --> 01:37:39,208
comparable

3069
01:37:39,208 --> 01:37:40,665
regions around the country.

3070
01:37:40,665 --> 01:37:41,665
Some are a little bit bigger,

3071
01:37:41,665 --> 01:37:43,458
some are a little smaller, but

3072
01:37:43,458 --> 01:37:45,665
but they're all in many ways

3073
01:37:45,665 --> 01:37:47,665
similar to ours. They are

3074
01:37:47,665 --> 01:37:48,916
opening up that process to sort

3075
01:37:48,916 --> 01:37:51,316
of reevaluate what we've

3076
01:37:51,665 --> 01:37:52,665
accomplished, where our trends

3077
01:37:52,665 --> 01:37:54,292
have taken us over ten years

3078
01:37:54,292 --> 01:37:56,542
and where we need to go next.

3079
01:37:56,542 --> 01:37:58,958
And so we are being invited to

3080
01:37:58,958 --> 01:38:01,665
a meeting at the Urban Center

3081
01:38:01,665 --> 01:38:03,665
two building in Tampa on

3082
01:38:03,665 --> 01:38:05,665
Kennedy Boulevard, Wednesday,

3083
01:38:05,791 --> 01:38:08,417
August 5th, to continue that

3084
01:38:08,417 --> 01:38:09,708
conversation about what that

3085
01:38:09,708 --> 01:38:10,830
means.

3086
01:38:10,830 --> 01:38:11,000
And I wanted to let you

3087
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:12,916
know that I am going to be on

3088
01:38:12,916 --> 01:38:14,708
vacation moving my daughter to

3089
01:38:14,708 --> 01:38:15,958
Texas so I won't be able to

3090
01:38:15,958 --> 01:38:17,708
participate. But our staff will.

3091
01:38:17,708 --> 01:38:19,830
But I think you all are welcome.

3092
01:38:19,830 --> 01:38:20,250
If anybody's interested in

3093
01:38:20,250 --> 01:38:22,410
being engaged in the Regional

3094
01:38:22,410 --> 01:38:24,166
Competitiveness Report, we can

3095
01:38:24,166 --> 01:38:26,000
certainly RSVP for you if you

3096
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:27,375
would like to participate in

3097
01:38:27,375 --> 01:38:28,791
that and share your thoughts

3098
01:38:28,791 --> 01:38:30,958
from Pinellas perspective. So

3099
01:38:30,958 --> 01:38:33,125
just food for thought on that

3100
01:38:33,125 --> 01:38:33,665
and that's all.

3101
01:38:33,665 --> 01:38:34,665
I have.

3102
01:38:34,665 --> 01:38:36,666
Brian Scott: Thank you. Whit, any

3103
01:38:36,666 --> 01:38:39,666
questions for Whit? All right.

3104
01:38:39,875 --> 01:38:42,125
We will move on then to item

3105
01:38:42,125 --> 01:38:44,665
6 C East Bay drive, Roosevelt

3106
01:38:44,665 --> 01:38:46,665
Boulevard.

3107
01:38:50,708 --> 01:38:51,749
Nousheen Rahman: Good afternoon, board

3108
01:38:51,749 --> 01:38:53,417
members. Good afternoon,

3109
01:38:53,417 --> 01:38:55,410
principal planner at Fort

3110
01:38:55,410 --> 01:38:56,292
Pinellas. And I have here with

3111
01:38:56,292 --> 01:38:57,665
me Amanda Chornoby with

3112
01:38:57,665 --> 01:38:57,749
Renaissanc

3113
01:38:57,749 --> 01:38:59,666
e Planning, who was a

3114
01:38:59,666 --> 01:39:01,791
consultant on this project. And

3115
01:39:01,791 --> 01:39:04,000
I'm here to provide an update

3116
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,375
on our final corridor study for

3117
01:39:06,375 --> 01:39:07,958
this for this roadway that we

3118
01:39:07,958 --> 01:39:09,708
have been working on for well

3119
01:39:09,708 --> 01:39:12,333
over a year now. And in that

3120
01:39:12,333 --> 01:39:13,666
last year, this

3121
01:39:13,666 --> 01:39:15,208
corridor study

3122
01:39:15,208 --> 01:39:16,665
has undertaken has been

3123
01:39:16,665 --> 01:39:18,410
undertaken in three different

3124
01:39:18,410 --> 01:39:20,665
phases. First, a review of the

3125
01:39:20,665 --> 01:39:22,665
existing conditions. The second

3126
01:39:22,665 --> 01:39:24,665
phase involved a mobility

3127
01:39:24,665 --> 01:39:25,875
evaluation, which you can think

3128
01:39:25,875 --> 01:39:28,417
of almost as scenario planning

3129
01:39:28,417 --> 01:39:29,875
and stress testing, the future

3130
01:39:29,875 --> 01:39:31,375
conditions of the corridor. And

3131
01:39:31,375 --> 01:39:33,250
then finally, phase three

3132
01:39:33,250 --> 01:39:35,250
involved recommendations, some

3133
01:39:35,333 --> 01:39:36,584
of which I provided a preview

3134
01:39:36,584 --> 01:39:38,665
of here that I'll go over. They

3135
01:39:38,665 --> 01:39:40,375
include recommendations for

3136
01:39:40,375 --> 01:39:41,791
enhanced pedestrian crossings,

3137
01:39:41,791 --> 01:39:44,417
as well as improved transit

3138
01:39:44,417 --> 01:39:45,542
facilities such as

3139
01:39:45,542 --> 01:39:45,665
opport

3140
01:39:45,665 --> 01:39:46,584
unities for bus bays

3141
01:39:46,584 --> 01:39:47,916
along the corridor. So I will

3142
01:39:47,916 --> 01:39:50,830
present that towards the end.

3143
01:39:50,830 --> 01:39:51,665
But to take a step back and

3144
01:39:51,665 --> 01:39:53,292
tell you why we are studying

3145
01:39:53,292 --> 01:39:54,791
this corridor, East Bay Drive

3146
01:39:54,791 --> 01:39:56,958
and Roosevelt Boulevard is

3147
01:39:56,958 --> 01:39:58,410
identified as one of our

3148
01:39:58,410 --> 01:39:59,749
priority investment corridors,

3149
01:39:59,749 --> 01:40:01,542
and this is a framework that we

3150
01:40:01,542 --> 01:40:01,958
have

3151
01:40:01,958 --> 01:40:03,500
adopted in our long range

3152
01:40:03,500 --> 01:40:05,665
transportation plan, where we

3153
01:40:05,665 --> 01:40:07,000
identify corridors based on

3154
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:09,166
their potential to link jobs,

3155
01:40:09,166 --> 01:40:10,875
housing and job training

3156
01:40:10,875 --> 01:40:12,830
opportunities. And this quarter

3157
01:40:12,830 --> 01:40:14,292
in particular, serves both

3158
01:40:14,292 --> 01:40:16,166
local and regional purposes.

3159
01:40:16,166 --> 01:40:17,166
But what's really happened

3160
01:40:17,166 --> 01:40:17,625
along this corri

3161
01:40:17,625 --> 01:40:18,208
dor? There have

3162
01:40:18,208 --> 01:40:19,958
been several improvements and

3163
01:40:19,958 --> 01:40:21,665
planning efforts undertaken by

3164
01:40:21,665 --> 01:40:23,665
various entities ourselves,

3165
01:40:23,665 --> 01:40:26,410
fDOT, the City of Largo, PSTA,

3166
01:40:26,410 --> 01:40:27,125
and what we have the

3167
01:40:27,125 --> 01:40:28,665
opportunity to do is provide a

3168
01:40:28,665 --> 01:40:29,958
cohesive vision for this

3169
01:40:29,958 --> 01:40:31,584
corridor, which we try to do

3170
01:40:31,584 --> 01:40:32,833
for our other investment

3171
01:40:32,833 --> 01:40:34,375
corridors as well.

3172
01:40:34,375 --> 01:40:34,665
East Bay

3173
01:40:34,665 --> 01:40:36,410
drive, Roosevelt Boulevard

3174
01:40:36,410 --> 01:40:37,417
connects directly to the other

3175
01:40:37,417 --> 01:40:39,830
two investment corridors that

3176
01:40:39,830 --> 01:40:41,125
we have completed or are

3177
01:40:41,125 --> 01:40:43,708
completing, such as US 19. But

3178
01:40:43,708 --> 01:40:44,708
something that's really key

3179
01:40:44,708 --> 01:40:46,833
about this is while Alt 19 and

3180
01:40:46,833 --> 01:40:49,233
US 19 those corridor studies

3181
01:40:49,542 --> 01:40:51,250
required coordination among

3182
01:40:51,250 --> 01:40:52,666
multiple municipalities, and in

3183
01:40:52,666 --> 01:40:55,665
the case of US 19 multiple

3184
01:40:55,665 --> 01:40:57,000
counties, this roadway actually

3185
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:58,542
just goes through the city of

3186
01:40:58,542 --> 01:41:00,830
Largo. So we are looking at one

3187
01:41:00,830 --> 01:41:02,665
land use vision that is

3188
01:41:02,665 --> 01:41:05,292
involved in this corridor. But

3189
01:41:05,292 --> 01:41:05,417
ul

3190
01:41:05,417 --> 01:41:06,665
timately, the leads on this

3191
01:41:06,665 --> 01:41:07,708
project were ourselves at

3192
01:41:07,708 --> 01:41:09,166
forward, Pinellas and fDOT. We

3193
01:41:09,166 --> 01:41:11,375
both jointly funded this

3194
01:41:11,375 --> 01:41:12,665
project and coordinated across

3195
01:41:12,665 --> 01:41:15,333
the phases the city of Largo,

3196
01:41:15,333 --> 01:41:17,125
PSTA and Pinellas County were

3197
01:41:17,125 --> 01:41:18,000
active stakeholders throughout

3198
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:20,665
the process. The corridor study

3199
01:41:20,665 --> 01:41:21,500
looks

3200
01:41:21,500 --> 01:41:23,292
at the segment from 20th

3201
01:41:23,292 --> 01:41:25,458
Street, which is just west of

3202
01:41:25,458 --> 01:41:26,875
HCA Florida Largo Hospital. If

3203
01:41:26,875 --> 01:41:29,410
you are familiar and goes all

3204
01:41:29,410 --> 01:41:31,375
the way east to Lightwave Drive,

3205
01:41:31,375 --> 01:41:32,584
which is right before Saint

3206
01:41:32,584 --> 01:41:34,000
Pete Clearwater International

3207
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:34,665
Airport. So we're looking at

3208
01:41:34,665 --> 01:41:36,417
about seven miles of the

3209
01:41:36,417 --> 01:41:37,375
corridor that we kind

3210
01:41:37,375 --> 01:41:37,625
of looked

3211
01:41:37,625 --> 01:41:38,666
at in different sections. And

3212
01:41:38,666 --> 01:41:40,417
ultimately, the purpose was to

3213
01:41:40,417 --> 01:41:41,584
evaluate how to improve safety

3214
01:41:41,584 --> 01:41:43,417
and mobility and operational

3215
01:41:43,417 --> 01:41:45,375
access along East Bay drive.

3216
01:41:45,375 --> 01:41:46,916
And as I mentioned, we

3217
01:41:46,916 --> 01:41:48,410
undertook this in three

3218
01:41:48,410 --> 01:41:49,417
different phases, and I'll kind

3219
01:41:49,417 --> 01:41:51,665
of break down the three phases.

3220
01:41:51,665 --> 01:41:53,542
And today I'd like to provide

3221
01:41:53,542 --> 01:41:55,333
context that we are presenting

3222
01:41:55,333 --> 01:41:56,666
this as just an informational

3223
01:41:56,666 --> 01:41:58,250
item to you. Our corridor study

3224
01:41:58,250 --> 01:41:59,916
is often have a lot of

3225
01:41:59,916 --> 01:42:01,500
information to digest. So we

3226
01:42:01,500 --> 01:42:02,665
want to make sure that we

3227
01:42:02,665 --> 01:42:04,665
answer your questions. But at

3228
01:42:04,665 --> 01:42:05,665
the September board meeting,

3229
01:42:05,665 --> 01:42:06,833
this will be in front of you

3230
01:42:06,833 --> 01:42:09,292
for just a recommendation of

3231
01:42:09,292 --> 01:42:11,410
acceptance, as we typically do

3232
01:42:11,410 --> 01:42:13,250
with our corridor studies. So

3233
01:42:13,250 --> 01:42:14,875
with that, I'd like to set some

3234
01:42:14,875 --> 01:42:15,875
important context for the

3235
01:42:15,875 --> 01:42:16,958
corridor, because there's a lot

3236
01:42:16,958 --> 01:42:18,833
going on here, starting with

3237
01:42:18,833 --> 01:42:21,584
the land use context. There are

3238
01:42:21,584 --> 01:42:23,665
several activity centers within

3239
01:42:23,665 --> 01:42:25,410
the city of Largo and

3240
01:42:25,410 --> 01:42:26,665
specifically along this

3241
01:42:26,665 --> 01:42:27,665
corridor. But the three I'd

3242
01:42:27,665 --> 01:42:28,833
like to bring your attention to

3243
01:42:28,833 --> 01:42:30,665
are the West Bay Drive

3244
01:42:30,665 --> 01:42:31,208
Community Redevelopment

3245
01:42:31,208 --> 01:42:32,665
District directly to the West,

3246
01:42:32,665 --> 01:42:34,665
which you just a couple of

3247
01:42:34,665 --> 01:42:35,791
months ago saw extensive

3248
01:42:35,791 --> 01:42:37,333
presentations on. And know that

3249
01:42:37,333 --> 01:42:39,125
Largo has updated their

3250
01:42:39,125 --> 01:42:40,625
standards to really continue

3251
01:42:40,625 --> 01:42:41,665
developing their

3252
01:42:41,665 --> 01:42:41,958
downtown.

3253
01:42:41,958 --> 01:42:44,166
Provide opportunities for mixed

3254
01:42:44,166 --> 01:42:46,542
uses and similarly to the right,

3255
01:42:46,542 --> 01:42:48,410
we have the tri city activity

3256
01:42:48,410 --> 01:42:49,375
center. This is something that

3257
01:42:49,375 --> 01:42:50,958
was adopted about 5 or 6 years

3258
01:42:50,958 --> 01:42:53,749
ago. And while this area is the

3259
01:42:53,749 --> 01:42:55,665
node surrounding US 19 and is

3260
01:42:55,665 --> 01:42:57,000
very auto oriented,

3261
01:42:57,000 --> 01:42:57,708
the City of

3262
01:42:57,708 --> 01:42:59,665
Largo standards provides that

3263
01:42:59,665 --> 01:43:00,665
opportunity to improve

3264
01:43:00,665 --> 01:43:02,166
transportation access, as well

3265
01:43:02,166 --> 01:43:03,958
as create more of a sense of

3266
01:43:03,958 --> 01:43:05,665
place around this area. And

3267
01:43:05,665 --> 01:43:07,665
then the last land use area I'd

3268
01:43:07,665 --> 01:43:09,292
like to draw your attention to

3269
01:43:09,292 --> 01:43:10,625
is the Target Employment Center,

3270
01:43:10,625 --> 01:43:11,791
which Rodney actually talked

3271
01:43:11,791 --> 01:43:13,375
about in his budget

3272
01:43:13,375 --> 01:43:14,665
presentation. This involves Bay

3273
01:43:14,665 --> 01:43:16,665
Vista Office Park, and I'll

3274
01:43:16,665 --> 01:43:18,500
reiterate that TD annex is just

3275
01:43:18,500 --> 01:43:20,625
one of three fortune 500

3276
01:43:20,625 --> 01:43:23,000
companies in our county. And in

3277
01:43:23,000 --> 01:43:24,125
addition to the land use in

3278
01:43:24,125 --> 01:43:26,000
place, we also need to make

3279
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:26,958
sure that the transportation

3280
01:43:26,958 --> 01:43:27,665
infrastructure surrounding this

3281
01:43:27,665 --> 01:43:29,500
area is up to par.

3282
01:43:29,500 --> 01:43:29,791
And this

3283
01:43:29,791 --> 01:43:31,665
area is where the corridor

3284
01:43:31,665 --> 01:43:32,665
turns into Roosevelt Boulevard.

3285
01:43:32,665 --> 01:43:35,665
Of course, moving on to some of

3286
01:43:35,665 --> 01:43:36,666
the efforts that have already

3287
01:43:36,666 --> 01:43:38,791
been planned, implemented or

3288
01:43:38,791 --> 01:43:39,958
underway, I won't go through

3289
01:43:39,958 --> 01:43:41,000
every single one of these

3290
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:42,125
projects, but this table and

3291
01:43:42,125 --> 01:43:44,375
this map here is meant to

3292
01:43:44,375 --> 01:43:44,875
communicate to you

3293
01:43:44,875 --> 01:43:45,333
exactly how

3294
01:43:45,333 --> 01:43:46,875
much is being done on the

3295
01:43:46,875 --> 01:43:48,665
corridor. The map on this slide

3296
01:43:48,665 --> 01:43:50,665
shows you the areas for planned

3297
01:43:50,665 --> 01:43:52,830
improvements, and you can see

3298
01:43:52,830 --> 01:43:54,333
much of the corridor has been

3299
01:43:54,333 --> 01:43:56,410
programed for resurfacing by

3300
01:43:56,410 --> 01:43:59,410
fDOT. All of these resurfacing

3301
01:43:59,665 --> 01:44:00,665
projects one, two

3302
01:44:00,665 --> 01:44:01,625
and three, I

3303
01:44:01,625 --> 01:44:03,250
can confirm, involve separated

3304
01:44:03,250 --> 01:44:05,410
bike lanes. So for example,

3305
01:44:05,410 --> 01:44:07,250
from Highland to Belcher, the

3306
01:44:07,250 --> 01:44:09,666
bike lanes are separated or

3307
01:44:09,666 --> 01:44:10,791
separated through race

3308
01:44:10,791 --> 01:44:12,000
separators. So not flex posts,

3309
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:14,410
but something a little bit more

3310
01:44:14,410 --> 01:44:16,665
visually appealing. But all of

3311
01:44:16,665 --> 01:44:18,000
this is to say that this

3312
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:19,584
corridor is continuing to

3313
01:44:19,584 --> 01:44:20,833
improve. And what we have the

3314
01:44:20,833 --> 01:44:22,625
opportunity to do is fill some

3315
01:44:22,625 --> 01:44:24,708
of those gaps in safety and

3316
01:44:24,708 --> 01:44:27,665
operations. In addition to fDOT

3317
01:44:27,665 --> 01:44:29,125
planned projects, Pinellas

3318
01:44:29,125 --> 01:44:31,417
County does have jurisdiction

3319
01:44:31,417 --> 01:44:33,166
over the roadway

3320
01:44:33,166 --> 01:44:34,665
for from 20th

3321
01:44:34,665 --> 01:44:36,458
Street to Clearwater Largo Road,

3322
01:44:36,458 --> 01:44:38,584
specifically within our project

3323
01:44:38,584 --> 01:44:39,916
segment. And they also have a

3324
01:44:39,916 --> 01:44:41,458
resurfacing plan, namely to

3325
01:44:41,458 --> 01:44:42,791
improve business access and

3326
01:44:42,791 --> 01:44:45,665
also provide a wider ten foot

3327
01:44:45,665 --> 01:44:47,584
sidewalk on the south side of

3328
01:44:47,584 --> 01:44:49,375
West Bay drive.

3329
01:44:49,375 --> 01:44:50,665
In addition to

3330
01:44:50,665 --> 01:44:52,208
having roadway jurisdiction,

3331
01:44:52,208 --> 01:44:54,375
Pinellas County also manages

3332
01:44:54,375 --> 01:44:56,166
all of the signals along this

3333
01:44:56,166 --> 01:44:57,292
corridor through the county's

3334
01:44:57,292 --> 01:45:00,292
very robust its ATMs program

3335
01:45:00,708 --> 01:45:02,958
and all of the signals along

3336
01:45:02,958 --> 01:45:04,500
this study segment have

3337
01:45:04,500 --> 01:45:04,665
either

3338
01:45:04,665 --> 01:45:06,833
been implemented with signal

3339
01:45:06,833 --> 01:45:08,417
retiming improvements or are

3340
01:45:08,417 --> 01:45:10,250
going to be. For example, in

3341
01:45:10,250 --> 01:45:11,791
the third bullet, you can see

3342
01:45:11,791 --> 01:45:13,410
that the signal retiming are

3343
01:45:13,410 --> 01:45:15,250
planned for seven signals from

3344
01:45:15,250 --> 01:45:16,665
28th Street to Fourth Street

3345
01:45:16,665 --> 01:45:18,830
and from Highland to 58th

3346
01:45:18,830 --> 01:45:18,875
Street. The signals have

3347
01:45:18,875 --> 01:45:20,625
already been retimed, which

3348
01:45:20,625 --> 01:45:22,000
essentially covers the entire

3349
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:23,542
corridor. So operational

3350
01:45:23,542 --> 01:45:24,875
improvements have also been

3351
01:45:24,875 --> 01:45:26,458
underway. In addition, if you

3352
01:45:26,458 --> 01:45:27,708
aren't familiar, the county,

3353
01:45:27,708 --> 01:45:30,500
through its ATMs program also

3354
01:45:30,500 --> 01:45:33,208
has programed this corridor for.

3355
01:45:33,208 --> 01:45:34,665
With intelligent Video

3356
01:45:34,665 --> 01:45:35,458
analytics, which gives the

3357
01:45:35,458 --> 01:45:36,500
county the ability

3358
01:45:36,500 --> 01:45:37,665
to assess

3359
01:45:37,665 --> 01:45:40,000
congestion and adjust signal

3360
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:42,250
timings in real time and in

3361
01:45:42,250 --> 01:45:43,916
addition, monitor near-miss

3362
01:45:43,916 --> 01:45:44,665
incidents. And this is

3363
01:45:44,665 --> 01:45:46,125
something that we're tying into

3364
01:45:46,125 --> 01:45:47,916
our Safe Streets study as well

3365
01:45:47,916 --> 01:45:50,125
as we look at the intersections

3366
01:45:50,125 --> 01:45:51,875
and segments around the county

3367
01:45:51,875 --> 01:45:52,292
which hav

3368
01:45:52,292 --> 01:45:53,665
e which haven't made

3369
01:45:53,665 --> 01:45:55,417
it onto the high injury network

3370
01:45:55,417 --> 01:45:57,292
yet, but are kind of on that

3371
01:45:57,292 --> 01:46:00,292
edge of safety concerns. Lastly,

3372
01:46:00,791 --> 01:46:02,375
with the transit changes, you

3373
01:46:02,375 --> 01:46:04,833
might be familiar that Psta

3374
01:46:04,833 --> 01:46:06,458
implemented its updated bus

3375
01:46:06,458 --> 01:46:08,208
network in October of 2025, and

3376
01:46:08,208 --> 01:46:10,292
that actually saw a doubling of

3377
01:46:10,292 --> 01:46:11,500
frequency along this corridor,

3378
01:46:11,500 --> 01:46:13,292
which is served by route 52. So

3379
01:46:13,292 --> 01:46:14,625
it went from 30 minute

3380
01:46:14,625 --> 01:46:16,375
frequency to 15 minutes. And

3381
01:46:16,375 --> 01:46:17,665
you can see in the third and

3382
01:46:17,665 --> 01:46:19,166
fourth bullets that since that

3383
01:46:19,166 --> 01:46:21,566
implementation, PSTA has seen

3384
01:46:21,665 --> 01:46:23,665
increased weekday ridership as

3385
01:46:23,665 --> 01:46:24,250
a result of

3386
01:46:24,250 --> 01:46:25,417
that frequency

3387
01:46:25,417 --> 01:46:27,125
increase. On the transit side

3388
01:46:27,125 --> 01:46:28,666
as well. We have been working

3389
01:46:28,666 --> 01:46:30,417
with PSTA the last couple of

3390
01:46:30,417 --> 01:46:32,584
months to identify potential

3391
01:46:32,584 --> 01:46:34,984
locations countywide for bus

3392
01:46:35,458 --> 01:46:37,584
bay implementation. This is

3393
01:46:37,584 --> 01:46:39,333
something that has come from

3394
01:46:39,333 --> 01:46:40,410
board

3395
01:46:40,410 --> 01:46:41,584
members at both Ford,

3396
01:46:41,584 --> 01:46:43,375
Pinellas and Psta. So this

3397
01:46:43,375 --> 01:46:45,125
corridor study was an excellent

3398
01:46:45,125 --> 01:46:46,166
opportunity to incorporate

3399
01:46:46,166 --> 01:46:48,566
those recommendations. So that

3400
01:46:48,958 --> 01:46:50,665
was a whole lot of improvements

3401
01:46:50,665 --> 01:46:52,417
and activities that are already

3402
01:46:52,417 --> 01:46:53,666
underway. And so I'll reiterate

3403
01:46:53,666 --> 01:46:55,292
that the purpose of our

3404
01:46:55,292 --> 01:46:56,292
corridor study is to bring

3405
01:46:56,292 --> 01:46:56,665
that

3406
01:46:56,665 --> 01:46:58,000
together in a cohesive vision

3407
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,333
and fill those gaps. And when

3408
01:47:00,333 --> 01:47:01,333
identifying some of those gaps

3409
01:47:01,333 --> 01:47:03,830
from a safety perspective, a

3410
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:04,665
very high level overview here

3411
01:47:04,665 --> 01:47:06,584
is that you can see the crashes

3412
01:47:06,584 --> 01:47:07,791
have steadily increased the

3413
01:47:07,791 --> 01:47:08,791
last couple of years,

3414
01:47:08,791 --> 01:47:10,292
especially in those post-COVID

3415
01:47:10,292 --> 01:47:12,584
years, both overall crashes and

3416
01:47:12,584 --> 01:47:13,875
bicyclists and pedestrian

3417
01:47:13,875 --> 01:47:15,542
crashes. A lot of that has been

3418
01:47:15,542 --> 01:47:17,333
due to the lack of those

3419
01:47:17,333 --> 01:47:18,333
facilities along this corridor,

3420
01:47:18,333 --> 01:47:19,584
which are now being implemented

3421
01:47:19,584 --> 01:47:21,542
through those resurfacing, and

3422
01:47:21,542 --> 01:47:22,749
generally where there are

3423
01:47:22,749 --> 01:47:24,375
pedestrian hotspots. So lots of

3424
01:47:24,375 --> 01:47:26,708
pedestrian activity. There was

3425
01:47:26,708 --> 01:47:28,250
there is a

3426
01:47:28,250 --> 01:47:28,791
commonality between

3427
01:47:28,791 --> 01:47:30,458
that and the crash hotspots.

3428
01:47:30,458 --> 01:47:32,208
Namely, you can see County Road

3429
01:47:32,208 --> 01:47:34,665
one, alt 19 as well as Highland

3430
01:47:34,665 --> 01:47:35,916
Avenue as well, which gives

3431
01:47:35,916 --> 01:47:37,875
access to a lot of residential

3432
01:47:37,875 --> 01:47:39,708
destinations. When we consider

3433
01:47:39,708 --> 01:47:42,417
corridor capacity. I know that

3434
01:47:42,417 --> 01:47:43,666
traveling east west on this

3435
01:47:43,666 --> 01:47:43,791
co

3436
01:47:43,791 --> 01:47:44,666
rridor feels like every

3437
01:47:44,666 --> 01:47:46,375
single one of our corridors is

3438
01:47:46,375 --> 01:47:49,830
at a deficient level. But this

3439
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:50,208
corridor actually, especially

3440
01:47:50,208 --> 01:47:51,665
when compared to its

3441
01:47:51,665 --> 01:47:52,708
counterpart directly to the

3442
01:47:52,708 --> 01:47:54,791
south Ulmerton road, does have

3443
01:47:54,791 --> 01:47:56,708
some capacity. I know it

3444
01:47:56,708 --> 01:47:57,833
doesn't feel like that when

3445
01:47:57,833 --> 01:47:58,875
we're driving it, but the

3446
01:47:58,875 --> 01:47:59,708
numbers tell

3447
01:47:59,708 --> 01:48:00,665
us otherwise. What

3448
01:48:00,665 --> 01:48:02,749
I will say is that the level of

3449
01:48:02,749 --> 01:48:04,916
service is varying depending on

3450
01:48:04,916 --> 01:48:06,208
the segment and the

3451
01:48:06,208 --> 01:48:07,125
intersection that you're

3452
01:48:07,125 --> 01:48:08,208
approaching, and the highest

3453
01:48:08,208 --> 01:48:09,665
traffic volumes are between

3454
01:48:09,665 --> 01:48:12,125
Keene Road and which is County

3455
01:48:12,125 --> 01:48:14,208
Road one and US 19. So it kind

3456
01:48:14,208 --> 01:48:15,666
of points us to

3457
01:48:15,666 --> 01:48:16,500
where there's

3458
01:48:16,500 --> 01:48:17,665
opportunity for improvement

3459
01:48:17,665 --> 01:48:19,417
there, but also gives us some

3460
01:48:19,417 --> 01:48:20,665
wiggle room to consider where

3461
01:48:20,665 --> 01:48:22,665
there is capacity. How do we

3462
01:48:22,665 --> 01:48:23,665
implement these safety and

3463
01:48:23,665 --> 01:48:25,665
operational improvements. So

3464
01:48:25,708 --> 01:48:26,958
with that I'm going to turn it

3465
01:48:26,958 --> 01:48:29,410
over phase two to Amanda. And

3466
01:48:29,410 --> 01:48:30,708
then I'll be back to talk about

3467
01:48:30,708 --> 01:48:32,708
the recommendations.

3468
01:48:33,417 --> 01:48:34,625
Amanda Chornoby All right. Good afternoon

3469
01:48:34,625 --> 01:48:35,833
everyone. My name is Amanda.

3470
01:48:35,833 --> 01:48:37,665
I'm a project manager with

3471
01:48:37,665 --> 01:48:39,830
Renaissance Planning, the

3472
01:48:39,830 --> 01:48:40,830
transportation and land use

3473
01:48:40,830 --> 01:48:41,292
planning firm that was tasked

3474
01:48:41,292 --> 01:48:43,000
with completing completing

3475
01:48:43,000 --> 01:48:44,749
phases one through three of the

3476
01:48:44,749 --> 01:48:46,666
East Bay corridor study. So as

3477
01:48:46,666 --> 01:48:47,665
I mentioned, I'll

3478
01:48:47,665 --> 01:48:48,125
be providing

3479
01:48:48,125 --> 01:48:49,625
an overview of phase two that

3480
01:48:49,625 --> 01:48:51,410
was completed earlier this year

3481
01:48:51,410 --> 01:48:54,641
in February. So phase two had

3482
01:48:55,375 --> 01:48:57,665
two goals, first of which was

3483
01:48:57,665 --> 01:48:58,916
to gather stakeholder and

3484
01:48:58,916 --> 01:49:01,500
public input to get feedback on

3485
01:49:01,500 --> 01:49:03,665
corridor issues and potential

3486
01:49:03,665 --> 01:49:04,665
improvements. And two, was to

3487
01:49:04,665 --> 01:49:06,542
model future growth in the

3488
01:49:06,542 --> 01:49:07,665
corridor based on the activity

3489
01:49:07,665 --> 01:49:09,708
centers identified in the Largo

3490
01:49:09,708 --> 01:49:11,125
Comprehensive Plan. To

3491
01:49:11,125 --> 01:49:12,665
understand how this may affect

3492
01:49:12,665 --> 01:49:14,500
travel demand, congestion and

3493
01:49:14,500 --> 01:49:16,900
mode choice. So several

3494
01:49:17,916 --> 01:49:19,584
outreach methods were utilized

3495
01:49:19,584 --> 01:49:21,250
to solicit feedback from the

3496
01:49:21,250 --> 01:49:22,665
community. This included a mix

3497
01:49:22,665 --> 01:49:24,500
of in-person and virtual

3498
01:49:24,500 --> 01:49:26,250
stakeholder meetings, in-person

3499
01:49:26,250 --> 01:49:28,410
community events such as at the

3500
01:49:28,410 --> 01:49:29,584
Largo Saturday Night Market and

3501
01:49:29,584 --> 01:49:31,208
at Largo High School, and an

3502
01:49:31,208 --> 01:49:32,666
online survey that received

3503
01:49:32,666 --> 01:49:35,660
over 100 plus unique responses

3504
01:49:35,665 --> 01:49:36,916
during these in-person

3505
01:49:36,916 --> 01:49:38,708
community events, dots and

3506
01:49:38,708 --> 01:49:40,333
poster boards were utilized

3507
01:49:40,333 --> 01:49:42,125
with the public to identify

3508
01:49:42,125 --> 01:49:43,833
where there were intersections,

3509
01:49:43,833 --> 01:49:45,665
sidewalk transit, and bicycle

3510
01:49:45,665 --> 01:49:48,650
concerns along the corridor.

3511
01:49:51,417 --> 01:49:52,584
Additionally, these poster

3512
01:49:52,584 --> 01:49:53,875
boards were utilized to

3513
01:49:53,875 --> 01:49:55,417
identify prioritized

3514
01:49:55,417 --> 01:49:57,208
improvements to address those

3515
01:49:57,208 --> 01:49:58,916
issues. Key findings were

3516
01:49:58,916 --> 01:50:00,830
consistent across all

3517
01:50:00,830 --> 01:50:01,791
engagement methods. Safety

3518
01:50:01,791 --> 01:50:03,542
concerns were primarily located

3519
01:50:03,542 --> 01:50:05,417
at intersections along the East

3520
01:50:05,417 --> 01:50:06,584
Bay corridor, and some of the

3521
01:50:06,584 --> 01:50:07,833
most requested

3522
01:50:07,833 --> 01:50:08,166
improvements

3523
01:50:08,166 --> 01:50:10,830
were related to separated

3524
01:50:10,830 --> 01:50:12,250
protected bicycle lanes, wider

3525
01:50:12,250 --> 01:50:13,417
sidewalks, and improved

3526
01:50:13,417 --> 01:50:15,542
lighting. Others emphasize the

3527
01:50:15,542 --> 01:50:16,833
need for better bus stop

3528
01:50:16,833 --> 01:50:18,417
amenities, and, as mentioned,

3529
01:50:18,417 --> 01:50:20,125
pull out bays to reduce traffic

3530
01:50:20,125 --> 01:50:22,458
delays and improve safety.

3531
01:50:22,458 --> 01:50:23,458
Lastly, feedback from

3532
01:50:23,458 --> 01:50:23,665
drivers

3533
01:50:23,665 --> 01:50:25,458
noted concerns about congestion

3534
01:50:25,458 --> 01:50:27,858
and aggressive driving behavior.

3535
01:50:30,333 --> 01:50:32,000
So to test the impacts of

3536
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:33,830
potential growth and increased

3537
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:34,665
travel demand in the corridor,

3538
01:50:34,665 --> 01:50:36,665
phase two modeled a scenario to

3539
01:50:36,665 --> 01:50:38,665
shift an increase in jobs and

3540
01:50:38,665 --> 01:50:39,208
housing to the

3541
01:50:39,208 --> 01:50:40,292
corridor,

3542
01:50:40,292 --> 01:50:41,584
reflecting adopted city land

3543
01:50:41,584 --> 01:50:43,875
use plans, future land use

3544
01:50:43,875 --> 01:50:44,875
regulations and defined

3545
01:50:44,875 --> 01:50:47,125
activity centers. The analysis

3546
01:50:47,125 --> 01:50:48,665
began with the planning

3547
01:50:48,665 --> 01:50:50,542
assessment that modified year

3548
01:50:50,542 --> 01:50:52,333
2045 person trip tables from

3549
01:50:52,333 --> 01:50:53,665
the Tampa Bay Regional

3550
01:50:53,665 --> 01:50:55,166
Transportation Analysis model

3551
01:50:55,166 --> 01:50:56,791
to efficiently test differing

3552
01:50:56,791 --> 01:50:58,375
land use scenarios and the

3553
01:50:58,375 --> 01:50:59,958
study corridor. And it should

3554
01:50:59,958 --> 01:51:01,833
be noted that at the time, 2045

3555
01:51:01,833 --> 01:51:02,958
was the latest when we

3556
01:51:02,958 --> 01:51:05,125
completed the study, travel

3557
01:51:05,125 --> 01:51:06,875
demand data from replica was

3558
01:51:06,875 --> 01:51:09,125
also reviewed. To better

3559
01:51:09,125 --> 01:51:10,166
understand walking and biking

3560
01:51:10,166 --> 01:51:11,250
demand in the corridor,

3561
01:51:11,250 --> 01:51:11,665
as the

3562
01:51:11,665 --> 01:51:14,166
Tampa Bay model does not

3563
01:51:14,166 --> 01:51:15,875
develop, walk and bike trip

3564
01:51:15,875 --> 01:51:18,830
details. Insights from both the

3565
01:51:18,830 --> 01:51:19,791
planning model and replica were

3566
01:51:19,791 --> 01:51:21,625
used to create the future land

3567
01:51:21,625 --> 01:51:24,250
use scenario. Year 2045 Traffic

3568
01:51:25,665 --> 01:51:27,542
Analysis Zone forecasts were

3569
01:51:27,542 --> 01:51:28,749
modified to reflect the

3570
01:51:28,749 --> 01:51:30,292
scenario, and a full model run

3571
01:51:30,292 --> 01:51:32,125
was made to estimate future

3572
01:51:32,125 --> 01:51:33,833
year traffic levels in the

3573
01:51:33,833 --> 01:51:36,410
corridor. Overall, the results

3574
01:51:36,410 --> 01:51:37,500
showed that the land use

3575
01:51:37,500 --> 01:51:38,500
pattern and vision, coupled

3576
01:51:38,500 --> 01:51:39,791
with multimodal investments,

3577
01:51:39,791 --> 01:51:41,458
can result in a significant

3578
01:51:41,458 --> 01:51:44,458
modal shift along the corridor.

3579
01:51:46,208 --> 01:51:47,916
So the map here depicts the

3580
01:51:47,916 --> 01:51:48,958
resulting shift in the estimate

3581
01:51:48,958 --> 01:51:50,833
at the traffic analysis zone

3582
01:51:50,833 --> 01:51:52,665
level between the adopted 2045

3583
01:51:52,665 --> 01:51:54,542
and the future scenario. As you

3584
01:51:54,542 --> 01:51:56,708
can see in future scenario

3585
01:51:56,708 --> 01:51:58,333
where there are multimodal

3586
01:51:58,333 --> 01:51:58,875
investments coupled

3587
01:51:58,875 --> 01:51:59,417
with the

3588
01:51:59,417 --> 01:52:00,708
land use changes, there is a

3589
01:52:00,708 --> 01:52:02,833
shift of jobs to areas like the

3590
01:52:02,833 --> 01:52:05,830
places that mentioned West Bay

3591
01:52:05,830 --> 01:52:07,292
drive, CRD, the tri city

3592
01:52:07,292 --> 01:52:08,665
activity area, and the Bay

3593
01:52:08,665 --> 01:52:11,650
Vista Office Park. Similarly,

3594
01:52:14,375 --> 01:52:15,830
there is a

3595
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:15,665
shift of dwelling

3596
01:52:15,665 --> 01:52:17,458
units near those same activity

3597
01:52:17,458 --> 01:52:19,830
centers along the corridor,

3598
01:52:19,830 --> 01:52:20,166
effectively creating a corridor

3599
01:52:20,166 --> 01:52:21,665
that aligns people with

3600
01:52:21,665 --> 01:52:22,665
transportation infrastructure

3601
01:52:22,665 --> 01:52:24,125
to get them where they need to

3602
01:52:24,125 --> 01:52:28,325
go. And so while the shift does

3603
01:52:29,665 --> 01:52:31,000
not change the total

3604
01:52:31,000 --> 01:52:31,625
number of

3605
01:52:31,625 --> 01:52:32,665
trips in the corridor, it does

3606
01:52:32,665 --> 01:52:33,916
change the distribution of

3607
01:52:33,916 --> 01:52:35,665
trips and shortens the overall

3608
01:52:35,665 --> 01:52:38,166
trip lengths by 20% and lowers

3609
01:52:38,166 --> 01:52:39,958
vehicle miles traveled by

3610
01:52:39,958 --> 01:52:41,958
approximately 30%. This

3611
01:52:42,125 --> 01:52:44,292
basically means more users

3612
01:52:44,292 --> 01:52:46,830
utilizing alternative modes of

3613
01:52:46,830 --> 01:52:46,666
transportation. Besides

3614
01:52:46,666 --> 01:52:47,208
a

3615
01:52:47,208 --> 01:52:49,375
motorized vehicle, the modeling

3616
01:52:49,375 --> 01:52:50,708
aligns with community feedback

3617
01:52:50,708 --> 01:52:52,208
we heard to focus on

3618
01:52:52,208 --> 01:52:53,333
improvements at key

3619
01:52:53,333 --> 01:52:54,375
intersections near activity

3620
01:52:54,375 --> 01:52:56,625
center areas. And so for

3621
01:52:56,625 --> 01:52:57,875
anybody who wants to read more

3622
01:52:57,875 --> 01:52:59,708
in depth about the corridor

3623
01:52:59,708 --> 01:53:02,108
mobility evaluation, appendix D

3624
01:53:02,292 --> 01:53:02,833
in the

3625
01:53:02,833 --> 01:53:04,208
phase two report details

3626
01:53:04,208 --> 01:53:06,250
this out more. If you're into

3627
01:53:06,250 --> 01:53:08,625
the nitty gritty details. And

3628
01:53:08,625 --> 01:53:09,875
so with that, I'll hand it back

3629
01:53:09,875 --> 01:53:11,666
over to Nousheen to cover phase

3630
01:53:11,666 --> 01:53:13,666
three.

3631
01:53:15,875 --> 01:53:19,584
Nousheen Rahman: Thanks, Amanda. So with the

3632
01:53:19,584 --> 01:53:20,958
context of the existing

3633
01:53:20,958 --> 01:53:22,500
conditions along the corridor,

3634
01:53:22,500 --> 01:53:23,500
and then essentially the

3635
01:53:23,500 --> 01:53:25,000
scenario testing that we did,

3636
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:27,830
we worked closely with the

3637
01:53:27,830 --> 01:53:28,292
consultant as well as the city

3638
01:53:28,292 --> 01:53:31,000
of Largo to identify the

3639
01:53:31,000 --> 01:53:32,250
priority recommendations along

3640
01:53:32,250 --> 01:53:33,916
this corridor. And so today,

3641
01:53:33,916 --> 01:53:34,665
I'll give you

3642
01:53:34,665 --> 01:53:35,500
kind of an

3643
01:53:35,500 --> 01:53:36,542
overview of those

3644
01:53:36,542 --> 01:53:37,749
recommendations and some

3645
01:53:37,749 --> 01:53:38,916
examples. But what I want to

3646
01:53:38,916 --> 01:53:41,125
provide context on first is the

3647
01:53:41,125 --> 01:53:42,292
varying right of way widths

3648
01:53:42,292 --> 01:53:43,665
along the corridor, which

3649
01:53:43,665 --> 01:53:44,625
essentially inform how much

3650
01:53:44,625 --> 01:53:46,625
room we have to make certain

3651
01:53:46,625 --> 01:53:47,665
improvements. And you can see

3652
01:53:47,665 --> 01:53:49,625
we have a more narrow right of

3653
01:53:49,625 --> 01:53:50,584
way more on the

3654
01:53:50,584 --> 01:53:50,666
western end.

3655
01:53:50,666 --> 01:53:52,665
And it widens as we get to the

3656
01:53:52,665 --> 01:53:54,625
eastern end. So this is just

3657
01:53:54,625 --> 01:53:55,665
context for how we looked at

3658
01:53:55,665 --> 01:53:56,666
this corridor based on its

3659
01:53:56,666 --> 01:53:58,417
segments and the feasibility.

3660
01:53:58,417 --> 01:54:00,665
And while our recommendations

3661
01:54:00,665 --> 01:54:03,000
are really on a project by

3662
01:54:03,000 --> 01:54:04,625
project basis, identifying very

3663
01:54:04,625 --> 01:54:05,665
specific improvements that can

3664
01:54:05,665 --> 01:54:06,665
be made, it's also

3665
01:54:06,665 --> 01:54:06,749
important

3666
01:54:06,749 --> 01:54:08,666
for us to have a long term

3667
01:54:08,666 --> 01:54:10,916
vision for the corridor. This

3668
01:54:10,916 --> 01:54:12,417
typical section in front of you

3669
01:54:12,417 --> 01:54:14,665
shows the potential for

3670
01:54:14,665 --> 01:54:16,666
improvements from US 19 to

3671
01:54:16,666 --> 01:54:17,749
Lightwave Drive, which is the

3672
01:54:17,749 --> 01:54:19,916
last eastern portion, and you

3673
01:54:19,916 --> 01:54:22,166
can see currently at the top

3674
01:54:22,166 --> 01:54:22,417
there ar

3675
01:54:22,417 --> 01:54:23,625
e no separated bike

3676
01:54:23,625 --> 01:54:24,666
lanes, but then the potential

3677
01:54:24,666 --> 01:54:26,500
shows the ability to

3678
01:54:26,500 --> 01:54:27,542
incorporate that. And this is

3679
01:54:27,542 --> 01:54:29,000
actually something that is

3680
01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:31,542
under design by fDOT. This

3681
01:54:31,542 --> 01:54:32,749
typical section is not the

3682
01:54:32,749 --> 01:54:35,830
design plan itself, but the

3683
01:54:35,830 --> 01:54:36,125
resurfacing that is under

3684
01:54:36,125 --> 01:54:37,665
design currently will

3685
01:54:37,665 --> 01:54:38,333
incorporate the

3686
01:54:38,333 --> 01:54:38,916
separated bike

3687
01:54:38,916 --> 01:54:40,665
lanes, and the lane widths here

3688
01:54:40,665 --> 01:54:42,708
also reflect the lane widths

3689
01:54:42,708 --> 01:54:44,000
that are being implemented

3690
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:45,208
through the remaining

3691
01:54:45,208 --> 01:54:46,916
resurfacing that are underway

3692
01:54:46,916 --> 01:54:48,542
from Highland to Belcher and

3693
01:54:48,542 --> 01:54:49,791
then Belcher to US. 19 so

3694
01:54:49,791 --> 01:54:51,292
there's an opportunity for this

3695
01:54:51,292 --> 01:54:53,458
corridor to have a continuous

3696
01:54:53,458 --> 01:54:54,542
bike lanes and

3697
01:54:54,542 --> 01:54:55,208
the opportunity

3698
01:54:55,208 --> 01:54:57,000
to connect into the Pinellas

3699
01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:58,749
Trail, which is on the western

3700
01:54:58,749 --> 01:55:01,665
side of the corridor. But that

3701
01:55:01,665 --> 01:55:03,542
is the long term vision. And

3702
01:55:03,542 --> 01:55:04,625
what we're really focused on

3703
01:55:04,625 --> 01:55:05,665
with our corridor studies are

3704
01:55:05,665 --> 01:55:07,542
trying to do with our corridor

3705
01:55:07,542 --> 01:55:08,665
studies, is have projects that

3706
01:55:08,665 --> 01:55:10,000
come out of them, because

3707
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:10,166
ulti

3708
01:55:10,166 --> 01:55:11,458
mately projects need to be

3709
01:55:11,458 --> 01:55:12,333
incorporated in our priority

3710
01:55:12,333 --> 01:55:13,625
list in the transportation

3711
01:55:13,625 --> 01:55:15,666
improvement program that you

3712
01:55:15,666 --> 01:55:18,665
approve last month. So with the

3713
01:55:18,665 --> 01:55:19,665
consultant with the city of

3714
01:55:19,665 --> 01:55:21,584
Largo, we identified pretty

3715
01:55:21,584 --> 01:55:22,916
much every single improvement

3716
01:55:22,916 --> 01:55:24,375
that needed to be made. I think

3717
01:55:24,375 --> 01:55:26,125
there was a list of maybe 800

3718
01:55:26,125 --> 01:55:27,250
different improvements, and a

3719
01:55:27,250 --> 01:55:29,375
lot of those were Ada

3720
01:55:29,375 --> 01:55:31,166
noncompliance, like curb ramps,

3721
01:55:31,166 --> 01:55:32,958
tactile warning pavers. So we

3722
01:55:32,958 --> 01:55:34,665
got down to that level of

3723
01:55:34,665 --> 01:55:35,584
identifying every single

3724
01:55:35,584 --> 01:55:36,916
sidewalk, every single

3725
01:55:36,916 --> 01:55:38,000
intersection. But then how do

3726
01:55:38,000 --> 01:55:39,542
you prioritize that? How do you

3727
01:55:39,542 --> 01:55:41,410
identify which projects we need

3728
01:55:41,410 --> 01:55:42,000
to move forward now?

3729
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:42,500
So with

3730
01:55:42,500 --> 01:55:44,830
the help of our consultant,

3731
01:55:44,830 --> 01:55:45,833
they developed this scoring

3732
01:55:45,833 --> 01:55:47,375
criteria. And then all of the

3733
01:55:47,375 --> 01:55:48,625
projects were scored and then

3734
01:55:48,625 --> 01:55:50,292
put into the buckets of the

3735
01:55:50,292 --> 01:55:51,625
recommended strategies in front

3736
01:55:51,625 --> 01:55:54,250
of you. And in working with the

3737
01:55:54,250 --> 01:55:55,916
city of Largo based on their

3738
01:55:55,916 --> 01:55:57,125
priorities, their community

3739
01:55:57,125 --> 01:55:59,125
feedback. We also

3740
01:55:59,208 --> 01:55:59,665
identified

3741
01:55:59,665 --> 01:56:01,665
the kind of key intersections

3742
01:56:01,665 --> 01:56:03,208
where improvements could be

3743
01:56:03,208 --> 01:56:04,665
seen or should be seen, and

3744
01:56:04,665 --> 01:56:05,665
those are listed in front of

3745
01:56:05,665 --> 01:56:07,665
you as well, which are also

3746
01:56:07,665 --> 01:56:08,791
supported by the data. But I

3747
01:56:08,791 --> 01:56:10,665
will start to go over some of

3748
01:56:10,665 --> 01:56:12,665
the recommended strategies, and

3749
01:56:12,665 --> 01:56:13,916
I'll start with the enhanced

3750
01:56:13,916 --> 01:56:15,749
transit facilities that were

3751
01:56:15,749 --> 01:56:17,292
recommended. As I mentioned, we

3752
01:56:17,292 --> 01:56:19,500
have been working with Psta to

3753
01:56:19,500 --> 01:56:21,375
identify a methodology and a

3754
01:56:21,375 --> 01:56:23,333
way to prioritize locations for

3755
01:56:23,333 --> 01:56:25,250
bus based countywide. So while

3756
01:56:25,250 --> 01:56:26,208
this corridor study was

3757
01:56:26,208 --> 01:56:27,584
underway, we thought it would

3758
01:56:27,584 --> 01:56:28,708
be great to have some

3759
01:56:28,708 --> 01:56:29,833
recommendations that utilize

3760
01:56:29,833 --> 01:56:31,666
that methodology. And we kind

3761
01:56:31,666 --> 01:56:33,417
of scored these locations based

3762
01:56:33,417 --> 01:56:34,708
on some initial criteria, the

3763
01:56:34,708 --> 01:56:36,916
first being crash exposure at a

3764
01:56:36,916 --> 01:56:39,665
bus stop, the number of routes

3765
01:56:39,665 --> 01:56:40,665
serviced by a stop. So the

3766
01:56:40,665 --> 01:56:42,292
number of times a bus or a

3767
01:56:42,292 --> 01:56:43,500
different route might actually

3768
01:56:43,500 --> 01:56:45,292
be stopping at a stop, as well

3769
01:56:45,292 --> 01:56:46,166
as the land

3770
01:56:46,166 --> 01:56:46,500
use context.

3771
01:56:46,500 --> 01:56:47,500
Because of course, transit

3772
01:56:47,500 --> 01:56:48,500
riders are going somewhere

3773
01:56:48,500 --> 01:56:50,666
after the bus stop. And then we,

3774
01:56:50,666 --> 01:56:52,166
based on all of the bus stops

3775
01:56:52,166 --> 01:56:53,875
in the corridors, scored them

3776
01:56:53,875 --> 01:56:55,665
based on these criteria. And

3777
01:56:55,665 --> 01:56:57,830
the picture at the top of the

3778
01:56:57,830 --> 01:56:58,665
slide shows you the highest

3779
01:56:58,665 --> 01:57:00,000
scored location for East Bay

3780
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:01,208
drive specifically, which is

3781
01:57:01,208 --> 01:57:01,666
the

3782
01:57:01,666 --> 01:57:03,458
stop at second Street. This

3783
01:57:03,458 --> 01:57:04,665
is right across from Largo

3784
01:57:04,665 --> 01:57:06,208
Central Park, and I had to put

3785
01:57:06,208 --> 01:57:08,410
a box around this bus stop

3786
01:57:08,410 --> 01:57:09,208
because when I looked at this

3787
01:57:09,208 --> 01:57:10,458
picture, I couldn't tell where

3788
01:57:10,458 --> 01:57:12,292
the bus stop was. So that is to

3789
01:57:12,292 --> 01:57:14,125
help you identify. And you can

3790
01:57:14,125 --> 01:57:15,875
see that aside from a sign,

3791
01:57:15,875 --> 01:57:18,000
there are no other facilities.

3792
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:21,665
And what we will do with PSTA

3793
01:57:21,665 --> 01:57:23,625
is to kind of narrow down some

3794
01:57:23,625 --> 01:57:25,830
of the locations, not just on

3795
01:57:25,830 --> 01:57:27,458
this corridor, but countywide,

3796
01:57:27,458 --> 01:57:28,791
because this is just an initial

3797
01:57:28,791 --> 01:57:30,375
screening criteria. We have to

3798
01:57:30,375 --> 01:57:31,665
determine right of way

3799
01:57:31,665 --> 01:57:32,458
feasibility. We have to

3800
01:57:32,458 --> 01:57:33,666
determine if, you know, the

3801
01:57:33,666 --> 01:57:35,333
curb needs to be moved. All of

3802
01:57:35,333 --> 01:57:36,665
those other design

3803
01:57:36,665 --> 01:57:37,749
recommendations or

3804
01:57:37,749 --> 01:57:38,875
considerations that go into

3805
01:57:38,875 --> 01:57:40,458
this, and we will be working

3806
01:57:40,458 --> 01:57:42,830
with PSTA staff to give an

3807
01:57:42,830 --> 01:57:43,292
update to their board, as well

3808
01:57:43,292 --> 01:57:45,417
as you all as we advance this.

3809
01:57:45,417 --> 01:57:46,666
But this report does include

3810
01:57:46,666 --> 01:57:48,208
some recommendations for bus

3811
01:57:48,208 --> 01:57:49,665
bays. Moving on

3812
01:57:49,665 --> 01:57:51,410
to pedestrian

3813
01:57:51,410 --> 01:57:52,749
improvements. The study also

3814
01:57:52,749 --> 01:57:54,665
identified mid-block crossing

3815
01:57:54,665 --> 01:57:55,665
recommendations. This was

3816
01:57:55,665 --> 01:57:57,625
something that the Largo City

3817
01:57:57,625 --> 01:57:58,958
Commission also provided

3818
01:57:58,958 --> 01:58:00,542
feedback on and wanting to see,

3819
01:58:00,542 --> 01:58:02,292
especially due to some of the

3820
01:58:02,292 --> 01:58:04,410
very long distances for

3821
01:58:04,410 --> 01:58:05,833
pedestrian crossings. So, for

3822
01:58:05,833 --> 01:58:07,000
example, on the eastern end of

3823
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:08,584
the corridor from 62nd Street

3824
01:58:08,584 --> 01:58:10,830
to 58th Street, you have to

3825
01:58:10,830 --> 01:58:12,665
walk half a mile until you

3826
01:58:12,665 --> 01:58:14,410
cross. In this weather, I would

3827
01:58:14,410 --> 01:58:16,665
not recommend it. So what we

3828
01:58:16,665 --> 01:58:18,208
have done is identified those

3829
01:58:18,208 --> 01:58:20,666
top locations and above. Here

3830
01:58:20,666 --> 01:58:21,625
is an

3831
01:58:21,625 --> 01:58:22,665
example of how a

3832
01:58:22,665 --> 01:58:24,166
mid-block crossing could

3833
01:58:24,166 --> 01:58:25,250
potentially be incorporated,

3834
01:58:25,250 --> 01:58:25,916
especially where there's

3835
01:58:25,916 --> 01:58:27,791
already a median, because you

3836
01:58:27,791 --> 01:58:29,166
are crossing three lanes of

3837
01:58:29,166 --> 01:58:31,000
traffic on each side. And these

3838
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:33,208
are the top locations, and then

3839
01:58:33,208 --> 01:58:34,749
a little bit more of an

3840
01:58:34,749 --> 01:58:36,000
extensive recommendation, which

3841
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:37,292
would be less in the short term

3842
01:58:37,292 --> 01:58:37,417
an

3843
01:58:37,417 --> 01:58:38,958
d probably more in the

3844
01:58:38,958 --> 01:58:40,375
mid-term, is considering

3845
01:58:40,375 --> 01:58:42,830
improvements to intersections.

3846
01:58:42,830 --> 01:58:43,958
The picture here on the top of

3847
01:58:43,958 --> 01:58:45,665
the slide shows you the

3848
01:58:45,665 --> 01:58:47,333
existing intersection at

3849
01:58:47,333 --> 01:58:49,000
Belcher Road. You can see that

3850
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:51,125
it's a very wide intersection.

3851
01:58:51,125 --> 01:58:52,665
The pedestrian crossings are

3852
01:58:52,665 --> 01:58:54,417
quite long

3853
01:58:54,417 --> 01:58:55,584
and there are often

3854
01:58:55,584 --> 01:58:57,292
lots of turning movement

3855
01:58:57,292 --> 01:58:59,458
conflicts. And some of these

3856
01:58:59,458 --> 01:59:00,665
improvements could potentially

3857
01:59:00,665 --> 01:59:01,875
improve both the pedestrian

3858
01:59:01,875 --> 01:59:04,166
safety as well as the

3859
01:59:04,166 --> 01:59:07,166
operations along or within an

3860
01:59:07,375 --> 01:59:08,666
intersection. And these

3861
01:59:08,666 --> 01:59:09,500
locations that are

3862
01:59:09,500 --> 01:59:10,665
scored here

3863
01:59:10,665 --> 01:59:12,666
scored the highest in the

3864
01:59:12,666 --> 01:59:14,292
report. And the one that I want

3865
01:59:14,292 --> 01:59:16,208
to point out to you is the

3866
01:59:16,208 --> 01:59:17,292
number one location at Bay

3867
01:59:17,292 --> 01:59:18,791
Vista Drive, where while this

3868
01:59:18,791 --> 01:59:20,333
corridor study was underway, we

3869
01:59:20,333 --> 01:59:21,665
actually tried to start

3870
01:59:21,665 --> 01:59:23,125
implementing the recommendation

3871
01:59:23,125 --> 01:59:24,833
based on a request we received

3872
01:59:24,833 --> 01:59:25,333
from

3873
01:59:25,333 --> 01:59:27,584
TD from Bay Vista Office

3874
01:59:27,584 --> 01:59:30,500
Park to incorporate a signal at

3875
01:59:30,500 --> 01:59:31,749
this intersection. Given the

3876
01:59:31,749 --> 01:59:33,665
very high speeds along this

3877
01:59:33,665 --> 01:59:35,410
segment of Roosevelt Boulevard,

3878
01:59:35,410 --> 01:59:37,166
and the fact that right now,

3879
01:59:37,166 --> 01:59:38,958
the age of work from home and

3880
01:59:38,958 --> 01:59:40,417
hybrid environments have been

3881
01:59:40,417 --> 01:59:41,166
changing, TD S

3882
01:59:41,166 --> 01:59:41,708
ynnex pretty much

3883
01:59:41,708 --> 01:59:43,000
is completely back to office,

3884
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:44,665
which means that all those cars

3885
01:59:44,665 --> 01:59:46,791
are now going back into that

3886
01:59:46,791 --> 01:59:49,417
office park. So currently in

3887
01:59:49,417 --> 01:59:50,749
intersection control evaluation

3888
01:59:50,749 --> 01:59:53,375
is underway by fDOT, and we're

3889
01:59:53,375 --> 01:59:55,000
awaiting the results of that in

3890
01:59:55,000 --> 01:59:57,375
the next couple of weeks. So

3891
01:59:57,375 --> 01:59:57,500
as

3892
01:59:57,500 --> 01:59:58,665
far as the implementation of

3893
01:59:58,665 --> 02:00:00,665
this project or of this study,

3894
02:00:00,665 --> 02:00:03,410
as I mentioned, our goal is to

3895
02:00:03,410 --> 02:00:04,125
identify projects and then

3896
02:00:04,125 --> 02:00:05,665
ultimately move them into our

3897
02:00:05,665 --> 02:00:07,458
project priority list and then

3898
02:00:07,458 --> 02:00:08,791
coordinate with partners as

3899
02:00:08,791 --> 02:00:10,875
needed. For example, in

3900
02:00:10,875 --> 02:00:12,665
implementing a signal at Bay

3901
02:00:12,665 --> 02:00:13,830
Vista

3902
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:15,417
Drive. And as I mentioned,

3903
02:00:15,417 --> 02:00:16,584
today's presentation to you was

3904
02:00:16,584 --> 02:00:17,833
just informational. I'm here to

3905
02:00:17,833 --> 02:00:19,250
take your questions and

3906
02:00:19,250 --> 02:00:21,166
comments, but we will be taking

3907
02:00:21,166 --> 02:00:23,292
this to the Largo City

3908
02:00:23,292 --> 02:00:24,665
Commission at their next work

3909
02:00:24,665 --> 02:00:26,665
session. Our Technical

3910
02:00:26,749 --> 02:00:27,749
Coordinating Committee has also

3911
02:00:27,749 --> 02:00:28,916
received this prese

3912
02:00:28,916 --> 02:00:29,375
ntation. I

3913
02:00:29,375 --> 02:00:30,958
gave it to them last week, and

3914
02:00:30,958 --> 02:00:32,833
they will be providing a

3915
02:00:32,833 --> 02:00:34,000
recommendation to you all. And

3916
02:00:34,000 --> 02:00:35,458
this will ultimately come back

3917
02:00:35,458 --> 02:00:36,791
to you in September for

3918
02:00:36,791 --> 02:00:37,958
approval, if that's how you

3919
02:00:37,958 --> 02:00:40,584
wish to move forward. And

3920
02:00:40,584 --> 02:00:41,958
immediate next steps include

3921
02:00:41,958 --> 02:00:43,375
continuing to coordinate with

3922
02:00:43,375 --> 02:00:44,833
fDOT and Bay Vis

3923
02:00:44,833 --> 02:00:46,410
ta Office Park,

3924
02:00:46,410 --> 02:00:47,665
as well as coordinating with

3925
02:00:47,665 --> 02:00:50,166
PSTA on those shorter term

3926
02:00:50,166 --> 02:00:52,500
transit improvements. But with

3927
02:00:52,500 --> 02:00:54,625
that, I'm happy to take any

3928
02:00:54,625 --> 02:00:55,875
questions. And Amanda is here

3929
02:00:55,875 --> 02:00:57,584
as well. Thank you for your

3930
02:00:57,584 --> 02:00:58,830
attention.

3931
02:00:58,830 --> 02:00:59,542
Brian Scott: Thank

3932
02:00:59,542 --> 02:01:00,665
you very much.

3933
02:01:00,665 --> 02:01:00,749
Questions.

3934
02:01:00,749 --> 02:01:01,542
Comments.

3935
02:01:01,542 --> 02:01:03,542
Thoughts.

3936
02:01:04,958 --> 02:01:06,458
Chris Johnson: I just wanted to say thank

3937
02:01:06,458 --> 02:01:08,125
you for the team. We greatly

3938
02:01:08,125 --> 02:01:09,665
appreciate the partnership with

3939
02:01:09,665 --> 02:01:12,625
you all and also the fDOT. The

3940
02:01:12,625 --> 02:01:13,833
bike lanes are already making a

3941
02:01:13,833 --> 02:01:16,410
huge difference. So just thank

3942
02:01:16,410 --> 02:01:16,708
you for that and

3943
02:01:16,708 --> 02:01:17,665
we're excited

3944
02:01:17,665 --> 02:01:18,875
to partner with you throughout

3945
02:01:18,875 --> 02:01:20,665
this process. So just thanks to

3946
02:01:20,665 --> 02:01:21,665
everyone involved.

3947
02:01:21,665 --> 02:01:22,875
Brian Scott: Thank you

3948
02:01:22,875 --> 02:01:24,749
Chris. Anybody

3949
02:01:24,749 --> 02:01:25,708
else?

3950
02:01:25,708 --> 02:01:27,708
Chris Scherer: I like all the bus bay ideas.

3951
02:01:27,708 --> 02:01:28,958
Nousheen Rahman: That's great. I thought you

3952
02:01:28,958 --> 02:01:29,666
might. Yeah.

3953
02:01:29,666 --> 02:01:31,833
Whit Blanton: We did those just for you.

3954
02:01:31,833 --> 02:01:32,791
Brian Scott: Particularly right there

3955
02:01:32,791 --> 02:01:32,916
on

3956
02:01:32,916 --> 02:01:34,708
that stretch there. Yeah I know.

3957
02:01:34,708 --> 02:01:36,625
I that's my daily my daily

3958
02:01:36,625 --> 02:01:38,000
route so I get it.

3959
02:01:38,000 --> 02:01:39,584
Tom Reid: And as for your inability to

3960
02:01:39,584 --> 02:01:40,584
see the sign, we have

3961
02:01:40,584 --> 02:01:42,375
authorized new larger hire

3962
02:01:42,375 --> 02:01:44,916
print signs. So I bet your

3963
02:01:44,916 --> 02:01:46,665
point is well taken.

3964
02:01:46,665 --> 02:01:47,417
Thank you.

3965
02:01:47,417 --> 02:01:48,665
Whit Blanton: Board members, I just wan

3966
02:01:48,665 --> 02:01:48,665
t

3967
02:01:48,665 --> 02:01:49,833
to add one little thing. I

3968
02:01:49,833 --> 02:01:51,665
think Amanda did a really nice

3969
02:01:51,665 --> 02:01:53,410
job highlighting, you know,

3970
02:01:53,410 --> 02:01:54,830
what we're really trying to

3971
02:01:54,830 --> 02:01:55,000
accomplish here in Pinellas

3972
02:01:55,000 --> 02:01:57,000
County as we redevelop. And

3973
02:01:57,000 --> 02:01:58,542
that is, you know, the magic

3974
02:01:58,542 --> 02:01:59,833
bullet here is shorter trip

3975
02:01:59,833 --> 02:02:02,584
links. And if we can get more

3976
02:02:02,584 --> 02:02:04,665
mixed use housing, housing

3977
02:02:04,665 --> 02:02:06,410
closer to where jobs are,

3978
02:02:06,410 --> 02:02:07,830
ensure that we retain those

3979
02:02:07,830 --> 02:02:08,542
jobs here in Pinellas County,

3980
02:02:08,542 --> 02:02:11,000
near where people live, then

3981
02:02:11,000 --> 02:02:12,625
we're in a lot better shape

3982
02:02:12,625 --> 02:02:13,958
than a lot of other counties

3983
02:02:13,958 --> 02:02:15,500
because they're having to drive

3984
02:02:15,500 --> 02:02:16,665
longer distances to get to

3985
02:02:16,665 --> 02:02:18,665
those destinations. Look at

3986
02:02:18,665 --> 02:02:19,791
Pasco County, for instance,

3987
02:02:19,791 --> 02:02:20,665
which didn't really

3988
02:02:20,665 --> 02:02:20,875
plan for a

3989
02:02:20,875 --> 02:02:23,665
lot of commercial activity. And

3990
02:02:23,665 --> 02:02:25,916
their residents are all forced

3991
02:02:25,916 --> 02:02:27,665
to get on like one major road

3992
02:02:27,665 --> 02:02:29,584
where we have more of a network

3993
02:02:29,584 --> 02:02:31,208
of streets. And so this plan

3994
02:02:31,208 --> 02:02:34,410
really does show that with

3995
02:02:34,410 --> 02:02:35,665
redevelopment, with smart

3996
02:02:35,665 --> 02:02:36,958
transportation investments,

3997
02:02:36,958 --> 02:02:39,208
that we can reduce trip links,

3998
02:02:39,208 --> 02:02:40,250
we can, you know, not

3999
02:02:40,250 --> 02:02:41,333
everybody's going to want to

4000
02:02:41,333 --> 02:02:43,375
get on a bike or walk, you know,

4001
02:02:43,375 --> 02:02:44,665
as, as Nousheen mentioned in

4002
02:02:44,665 --> 02:02:47,410
this heat. But if a small

4003
02:02:47,410 --> 02:02:48,125
number of those people start

4004
02:02:48,125 --> 02:02:49,333
doing that, that's fewer trips

4005
02:02:49,333 --> 02:02:51,125
on the road, but it's really

4006
02:02:51,125 --> 02:02:52,791
the shorter trip lengths

4007
02:02:52,791 --> 02:02:54,665
because that's the death knell

4008
02:02:54,665 --> 02:02:57,000
of transportation is forcing

4009
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:58,833
people to get in, you know, a

4010
02:02:58,833 --> 02:03:00,417
15, 25, 30 minute drive every

4011
02:03:00,417 --> 02:03:02,410
time to go anywhere. You don't

4012
02:03:02,410 --> 02:03:03,208
have to do that in this

4013
02:03:03,208 --> 02:03:04,417
corridor. This corridor is ripe

4014
02:03:04,417 --> 02:03:07,208
for that. So I think this

4015
02:03:07,208 --> 02:03:08,665
demonstrates that even in

4016
02:03:08,665 --> 02:03:08,916
a

4017
02:03:08,916 --> 02:03:10,916
very developed roadway

4018
02:03:12,958 --> 02:03:14,665
environment, you know, high

4019
02:03:14,665 --> 02:03:16,542
speed arterial, we're not going

4020
02:03:16,542 --> 02:03:18,375
to take away any lanes or

4021
02:03:18,375 --> 02:03:19,666
anything like that. They're

4022
02:03:19,666 --> 02:03:20,833
still measurable opportunity

4023
02:03:20,833 --> 02:03:22,410
for improvement. I think that's

4024
02:03:22,410 --> 02:03:23,375
the big takeaway I have for

4025
02:03:23,375 --> 02:03:23,875
this.

4026
02:03:23,875 --> 02:03:24,417
Brian Scott: Yeah. Great

4027
02:03:24,417 --> 02:03:25,208
points, great

4028
02:03:25,208 --> 02:03:28,208
points. Okay. Thank you very

4029
02:03:28,500 --> 02:03:32,417
much. All right. Now move on to

4030
02:03:32,417 --> 02:03:34,665
item 6 D 22nd Avenue North

4031
02:03:34,665 --> 02:03:35,665
trail crossing study. And I've

4032
02:03:35,665 --> 02:03:36,665
been looking forward to this

4033
02:03:36,665 --> 02:03:37,749
one because I am extremely

4034
02:03:37,749 --> 02:03:38,875
familiar with this particular

4035
02:03:38,875 --> 02:03:39,875
trail crossing.

4036
02:03:39,875 --> 02:03:40,250
Whit Blanton: So

4037
02:03:40,250 --> 02:03:40,791
you're saying you've had

4038
02:03:40,791 --> 02:03:42,417
some near-misses?

4039
02:03:42,417 --> 02:03:44,833
Brian Scott: Yes, I have had a few along

4040
02:03:44,833 --> 02:03:46,417
that stretch of road. Yes,

4041
02:03:46,417 --> 02:03:48,125
indeed I have. So how are you

4042
02:03:48,125 --> 02:03:49,208
doing.

4043
02:03:49,208 --> 02:03:50,665
Kyle Simpson: Kyle Simpson for Pinellas

4044
02:03:50,665 --> 02:03:54,265
staff. And as noted here to

4045
02:03:54,665 --> 02:03:55,666
talk about the study that we

4046
02:03:55,666 --> 02:03:56,708
did in

4047
02:03:56,708 --> 02:03:57,292
partnership with the

4048
02:03:57,292 --> 02:03:58,749
City of Saint Petersburg and

4049
02:03:58,749 --> 02:04:00,410
Pinellas County, on the trail

4050
02:04:00,410 --> 02:04:02,166
crossing of 22nd Avenue North

4051
02:04:02,166 --> 02:04:05,166
in Saint Petersburg. So the

4052
02:04:05,542 --> 02:04:06,749
crossing. Just for a little

4053
02:04:06,749 --> 02:04:09,500
context looking bird's eye view,

4054
02:04:09,500 --> 02:04:11,916
you have alt 19 kind of in

4055
02:04:11,916 --> 02:04:12,830
Tyro

4056
02:04:12,830 --> 02:04:13,125
ne Boulevard in the upper

4057
02:04:13,125 --> 02:04:15,166
right corner and then Tyrone

4058
02:04:15,166 --> 02:04:16,665
Mall. An important thing to

4059
02:04:16,665 --> 02:04:18,830
note about Tyrone Mall is

4060
02:04:18,830 --> 02:04:19,708
that's a huge transfer point

4061
02:04:19,708 --> 02:04:22,417
for PSTA. They have nine routes

4062
02:04:22,417 --> 02:04:24,542
that stop there and the stop

4063
02:04:24,542 --> 02:04:26,375
itself is on 22nd. And so all

4064
02:04:26,375 --> 02:04:28,410
nine of those routes

4065
02:04:28,410 --> 02:04:29,208
cross the

4066
02:04:29,208 --> 02:04:30,665
trail to make a loop in the

4067
02:04:30,665 --> 02:04:32,208
neighborhood to head back east.

4068
02:04:32,208 --> 02:04:33,749
So there's a lot of bus traffic

4069
02:04:33,749 --> 02:04:36,749
across this crossing. So the

4070
02:04:37,500 --> 02:04:40,000
cleaner look again from the top

4071
02:04:40,000 --> 02:04:42,333
down. And then as a driver view,

4072
02:04:42,333 --> 02:04:43,833
this is kind of what it looks

4073
02:04:43,833 --> 02:04:43,958
li

4074
02:04:43,958 --> 02:04:45,665
ke today. It's four lanes.

4075
02:04:45,665 --> 02:04:47,166
There's kind of sort of a

4076
02:04:47,166 --> 02:04:48,292
median. We wouldn't really call

4077
02:04:48,292 --> 02:04:50,166
it a refuge, but there's a kind

4078
02:04:50,166 --> 02:04:52,665
of planters there to enable the

4079
02:04:52,665 --> 02:04:53,665
rectangular rapid flashing

4080
02:04:53,665 --> 02:04:56,250
beacon to be put in the middle.

4081
02:04:56,250 --> 02:04:59,850
And then again, there's the bus.

4082
02:05:00,410 --> 02:05:02,375
There's pretty good sightlines,

4083
02:05:02,375 --> 02:05:04,665
generally speaking, and it's

4084
02:05:04,665 --> 02:05:06,665
there is traffic, but it's not

4085
02:05:06,665 --> 02:05:08,830
that much traffic as we'll get

4086
02:05:08,830 --> 02:05:09,375
into. So it's an interesting

4087
02:05:09,375 --> 02:05:12,000
case study that really came to

4088
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:14,166
the forefront after a fatal

4089
02:05:14,166 --> 02:05:16,375
crash that happened in late

4090
02:05:16,375 --> 02:05:18,749
2024, actually involving a psta

4091
02:05:18,749 --> 02:05:20,250
bus. And so we worked with the

4092
02:05:20,250 --> 02:05:22,500
city after that. And the county

4093
02:05:22,500 --> 02:05:25,250
to identify this location was

4094
02:05:25,250 --> 02:05:26,417
overrepresented for Pinellas

4095
02:05:26,417 --> 02:05:28,665
Trail crossings for crashes.

4096
02:05:28,665 --> 02:05:30,333
And so we wanted to take a

4097
02:05:30,333 --> 02:05:32,000
deeper dive into why.

4098
02:05:32,000 --> 02:05:32,749
So the

4099
02:05:32,749 --> 02:05:34,665
scope of this project included

4100
02:05:34,665 --> 02:05:37,542
looking at how the existing

4101
02:05:37,542 --> 02:05:38,625
configuration operates,

4102
02:05:38,625 --> 02:05:40,375
basically, how people driving

4103
02:05:40,375 --> 02:05:42,665
or on the trail interact with

4104
02:05:42,665 --> 02:05:44,208
each other, and what are the

4105
02:05:44,208 --> 02:05:45,458
volumes of vehicles and then

4106
02:05:45,458 --> 02:05:46,875
trail traffic. And then based

4107
02:05:46,875 --> 02:05:47,791
on that

4108
02:05:47,791 --> 02:05:48,875
data, what are some

4109
02:05:48,875 --> 02:05:49,749
improvements we could make to

4110
02:05:49,749 --> 02:05:51,584
make it work better for

4111
02:05:51,584 --> 02:05:54,584
everyone? So looking at vehicle

4112
02:05:55,125 --> 02:05:56,375
operations, the posted speed

4113
02:05:56,375 --> 02:05:59,830
limit out there is 35 and the

4114
02:05:59,830 --> 02:06:00,584
actual speeds are really close

4115
02:06:00,584 --> 02:06:01,665
to that, which doesn't happen a

4116
02:06:01,665 --> 02:06:02,708
lot. And that was actually

4117
02:06:02,708 --> 02:06:04,500
really good to see

4118
02:06:04,500 --> 02:06:05,625
vehicle

4119
02:06:05,625 --> 02:06:08,458
volumes. The darker bars are

4120
02:06:08,458 --> 02:06:10,916
the weekday and then weekend is

4121
02:06:10,916 --> 02:06:13,916
the lighter orange bars post.

4122
02:06:14,208 --> 02:06:15,375
Pre-COVID, we saw, especially

4123
02:06:15,375 --> 02:06:17,458
in weekdays, pretty defined AM

4124
02:06:17,458 --> 02:06:19,333
and PM peaks, but now it's kind

4125
02:06:19,333 --> 02:06:19,875
of

4126
02:06:19,875 --> 02:06:20,665
consistent throughout the

4127
02:06:20,665 --> 02:06:22,584
day with a more definitive peak

4128
02:06:22,584 --> 02:06:24,208
in the PM. And then weekend

4129
02:06:24,208 --> 02:06:27,410
traffic has always kind of been

4130
02:06:27,410 --> 02:06:28,833
consistent midday and started

4131
02:06:28,833 --> 02:06:31,500
later. And so this kind of is

4132
02:06:31,500 --> 02:06:32,875
similar to any other roadway we

4133
02:06:32,875 --> 02:06:35,125
would see around the county. We

4134
02:06:35,125 --> 02:06:35,665
look at

4135
02:06:35,665 --> 02:06:37,625
trail volume. So the

4136
02:06:37,625 --> 02:06:41,208
graph on the top is weekday in

4137
02:06:41,208 --> 02:06:42,665
15 minute increments. So we

4138
02:06:42,665 --> 02:06:44,830
actually see really consistent

4139
02:06:44,830 --> 02:06:46,166
use throughout the whole day.

4140
02:06:46,166 --> 02:06:47,958
And then the bottom one is one

4141
02:06:47,958 --> 02:06:49,500
Saturday. These counts were

4142
02:06:49,500 --> 02:06:51,665
taken November 12th through

4143
02:06:51,665 --> 02:06:53,665
15th in 2025. So that's a

4144
02:06:53,665 --> 02:06:55,292
Wednesday through Saturday. And

4145
02:06:55,292 --> 02:06:56,665
on the weekend we'd have well

4146
02:06:56,665 --> 02:06:59,650
over 100 trail users crossing

4147
02:06:59,125 --> 02:07:00,916
this intersection an hour. And

4148
02:07:00,916 --> 02:07:03,166
so that's a really high volume

4149
02:07:03,166 --> 02:07:05,665
for for crossing. So over those

4150
02:07:05,665 --> 02:07:06,665
four days, we counted just

4151
02:07:06,665 --> 02:07:07,749
under

4152
02:07:07,749 --> 02:07:09,665
3000 trail users crossing

4153
02:07:09,665 --> 02:07:12,333
here, and 88% of those were on

4154
02:07:12,333 --> 02:07:15,500
a bicycle of some sort, 8% were

4155
02:07:15,500 --> 02:07:17,833
on their feet, and then 4% were

4156
02:07:17,833 --> 02:07:19,665
on a scooter, in a wheelchair,

4157
02:07:19,665 --> 02:07:21,708
on a one board, on a skateboard,

4158
02:07:21,708 --> 02:07:23,250
kind of anything else that they

4159
02:07:23,250 --> 02:07:23,458
could

4160
02:07:23,458 --> 02:07:26,542
be moving on. So as I

4161
02:07:26,542 --> 02:07:27,833
said, there's rectangular rapid

4162
02:07:27,833 --> 02:07:29,375
flashing beacons, and those

4163
02:07:29,375 --> 02:07:31,500
require the user to press a

4164
02:07:31,500 --> 02:07:34,410
button to turn it on. Flashing

4165
02:07:34,410 --> 02:07:35,166
beacons. They don't change the

4166
02:07:35,166 --> 02:07:37,000
law. They just draw attention

4167
02:07:37,000 --> 02:07:38,665
to somebody there, but they

4168
02:07:38,665 --> 02:07:39,417
don't

4169
02:07:39,417 --> 02:07:41,333
change right of way.

4170
02:07:41,333 --> 02:07:43,000
State law says that a driver

4171
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:44,542
shall stop for someone in a

4172
02:07:44,542 --> 02:07:45,791
crosswalk, so this just

4173
02:07:45,791 --> 02:07:47,665
enforces that someone is there.

4174
02:07:47,665 --> 02:07:48,749
But we were interested in kind

4175
02:07:48,749 --> 02:07:50,665
of how trail users interacted

4176
02:07:50,665 --> 02:07:52,830
with that. And we found over

4177
02:07:52,830 --> 02:07:54,833
those four days that basically

4178
02:07:54,833 --> 02:07:55,791
one out of every

4179
02:07:55,791 --> 02:07:56,665
three trail

4180
02:07:56,665 --> 02:07:59,292
users activated the beacon. And

4181
02:07:59,292 --> 02:08:01,666
that could be because they

4182
02:08:01,666 --> 02:08:03,833
arrived when there wasn't

4183
02:08:03,833 --> 02:08:05,333
traffic. And so they just went

4184
02:08:05,333 --> 02:08:07,665
when there was a gap, it could

4185
02:08:07,665 --> 02:08:09,665
be that they waited until

4186
02:08:09,665 --> 02:08:10,791
traffic cleared and then just

4187
02:08:10,791 --> 02:08:11,665
went when they

4188
02:08:11,665 --> 02:08:12,791
felt safe.

4189
02:08:12,791 --> 02:08:14,417
There's different. We didn't do

4190
02:08:14,417 --> 02:08:15,958
it. We didn't go out there and

4191
02:08:15,958 --> 02:08:17,916
say, why did you do this or not?

4192
02:08:17,916 --> 02:08:19,208
But just from the video footage

4193
02:08:19,208 --> 02:08:20,916
that we had, that's what we

4194
02:08:20,916 --> 02:08:22,166
found. And then another

4195
02:08:22,166 --> 02:08:23,417
interesting tidbit from that

4196
02:08:23,417 --> 02:08:26,250
review was that of the one

4197
02:08:26,250 --> 02:08:27,250
third that pressed

4198
02:08:27,250 --> 02:08:29,410
it, quote

4199
02:08:29,410 --> 02:08:31,441
unquote, it only activated 64%

4200
02:08:32,500 --> 02:08:34,417
of the time. So that could have

4201
02:08:34,417 --> 02:08:35,542
been someone's biking by. They

4202
02:08:35,542 --> 02:08:36,916
didn't like stop, kind of just

4203
02:08:36,916 --> 02:08:38,625
hit at it, but didn't actually

4204
02:08:38,625 --> 02:08:40,665
hit the button. So that was an

4205
02:08:40,665 --> 02:08:41,665
interesting thing that we can

4206
02:08:41,665 --> 02:08:43,458
take back with our design

4207
02:08:43,458 --> 02:08:44,833
recommendations and

4208
02:08:44,833 --> 02:08:47,125
considerations. We did find

4209
02:08:47,125 --> 02:08:50,375
that on the week days, the

4210
02:08:50,375 --> 02:08:51,666
number of people that activated

4211
02:08:51,666 --> 02:08:53,665
the RFP was higher. So it was

4212
02:08:53,665 --> 02:08:56,650
40% on weekdays and 31% on

4213
02:08:56,666 --> 02:08:58,625
weekends. That probably could

4214
02:08:58,625 --> 02:08:59,333
correlate with

4215
02:08:59,333 --> 02:09:00,292
the difference

4216
02:09:00,292 --> 02:09:01,708
in traffic volume. So on the

4217
02:09:01,708 --> 02:09:03,292
weekdays, there were around

4218
02:09:03,292 --> 02:09:05,830
12,000 vehicles a day passing

4219
02:09:05,830 --> 02:09:06,500
through there. And then on the

4220
02:09:06,500 --> 02:09:08,250
Saturday there was 9000. So

4221
02:09:08,250 --> 02:09:10,000
there's opportunity for more

4222
02:09:10,000 --> 02:09:11,542
gaps where someone would just

4223
02:09:11,542 --> 02:09:12,875
feel comfortable continuing on

4224
02:09:12,875 --> 02:09:15,410
because there's no motorist to

4225
02:09:15,410 --> 02:09:18,410
alert to their presence. So

4226
02:09:18,665 --> 02:09:20,749
then we looked at how do

4227
02:09:20,749 --> 02:09:22,665
drivers interact with trail

4228
02:09:22,665 --> 02:09:25,250
users. And so we found that

4229
02:09:25,250 --> 02:09:27,665
when a trail user was at the

4230
02:09:27,665 --> 02:09:29,749
crossing, 63% of the time,

4231
02:09:29,749 --> 02:09:30,916
there was a vehicle

4232
02:09:30,916 --> 02:09:31,500
kind of in

4233
02:09:31,500 --> 02:09:35,100
the mix 91% of the time when

4234
02:09:35,665 --> 02:09:38,650
that happened, the driver

4235
02:09:38,125 --> 02:09:40,375
yielded to the trail user, the

4236
02:09:40,375 --> 02:09:42,125
one on the bottom 95% of the

4237
02:09:42,125 --> 02:09:43,665
time that the trail user turned

4238
02:09:43,665 --> 02:09:46,410
on the flashing beacon, the

4239
02:09:46,410 --> 02:09:47,125
driver yielded in

4240
02:09:47,125 --> 02:09:47,625
accordance

4241
02:09:47,625 --> 02:09:49,458
with state law. That's really

4242
02:09:49,458 --> 02:09:51,000
good numbers. It's kind of what

4243
02:09:51,000 --> 02:09:52,749
we see with most flashing

4244
02:09:52,749 --> 02:09:53,875
beacon assemblies around the

4245
02:09:53,875 --> 02:09:55,833
county. They are effective when

4246
02:09:55,833 --> 02:09:58,665
used, but we do see they're a

4247
02:09:58,665 --> 02:10:01,417
little bit more when someone's

4248
02:10:01,417 --> 02:10:02,791
on a bike, getting them to

4249
02:10:02,791 --> 02:10:03,665
slow

4250
02:10:03,665 --> 02:10:05,166
down and turn it on. It's just

4251
02:10:05,166 --> 02:10:08,665
a harder ask. So then we looked

4252
02:10:08,665 --> 02:10:10,250
at near miss conflicts. So

4253
02:10:10,250 --> 02:10:11,791
these are what are things that

4254
02:10:11,791 --> 02:10:13,500
could cause concern and that we

4255
02:10:13,500 --> 02:10:15,625
want to look into further where

4256
02:10:15,625 --> 02:10:17,000
some things a close call but

4257
02:10:17,000 --> 02:10:18,708
doesn't show up in our crash

4258
02:10:18,708 --> 02:10:20,665
data because a crash didn't

4259
02:10:20,665 --> 02:10:23,665
happen, luckily. So how we

4260
02:10:24,166 --> 02:10:25,916
measure this is called post

4261
02:10:25,916 --> 02:10:28,830
encroachment time. So basically

4262
02:10:28,830 --> 02:10:31,665
if someone is going, oh, sorry,

4263
02:10:31,665 --> 02:10:33,665
wake you up. So if someone's

4264
02:10:33,665 --> 02:10:34,791
going in on the trail

4265
02:10:34,791 --> 02:10:35,665
and then

4266
02:10:35,665 --> 02:10:37,410
someone's driving on the street

4267
02:10:37,410 --> 02:10:38,875
and they pass within a second,

4268
02:10:38,875 --> 02:10:40,665
within two seconds or within

4269
02:10:40,665 --> 02:10:42,208
three seconds of each other, we

4270
02:10:42,208 --> 02:10:44,665
note that. And so there's

4271
02:10:44,665 --> 02:10:46,410
different ways to interpret

4272
02:10:46,410 --> 02:10:48,665
this. We saw that most

4273
02:10:48,665 --> 02:10:50,000
instances of this were when

4274
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:50,665
someone on the

4275
02:10:50,665 --> 02:10:51,791
trail passed

4276
02:10:51,791 --> 02:10:53,665
within a second or two of

4277
02:10:53,665 --> 02:10:55,584
someone driving. So that means

4278
02:10:55,584 --> 02:10:56,791
kind of they yielded for the

4279
02:10:56,791 --> 02:10:59,458
the vehicle and then went

4280
02:10:59,458 --> 02:11:00,665
behind them. So it wasn't a

4281
02:11:00,665 --> 02:11:02,665
close call necessarily. They

4282
02:11:02,665 --> 02:11:04,417
both probably knew what was

4283
02:11:04,417 --> 02:11:05,665
going on, but it shows up in

4284
02:11:05,665 --> 02:11:07,250
our data.

4285
02:11:07,250 --> 02:11:08,458
The second most

4286
02:11:08,458 --> 02:11:10,916
common was when a driver kind

4287
02:11:10,916 --> 02:11:13,666
of opposite of that. So a trail

4288
02:11:13,666 --> 02:11:15,665
user is there and a driver cuts

4289
02:11:15,665 --> 02:11:16,916
behind the trail user really

4290
02:11:16,916 --> 02:11:18,625
close. So that's a little bit

4291
02:11:18,625 --> 02:11:19,665
more concerning. It could be

4292
02:11:19,665 --> 02:11:20,958
where someone on the trail

4293
02:11:20,958 --> 02:11:22,584
thought a motorist was stopp

4294
02:11:22,584 --> 02:11:22,665
ing

4295
02:11:22,665 --> 02:11:23,833
and they didn't, or they cut

4296
02:11:23,833 --> 02:11:24,958
close. That could be where we

4297
02:11:24,958 --> 02:11:27,250
get into the situation where

4298
02:11:27,250 --> 02:11:28,292
someone, a trail user, feels

4299
02:11:28,292 --> 02:11:29,958
like it was a close call and it

4300
02:11:29,958 --> 02:11:32,358
was uncomfortable. And then

4301
02:11:34,958 --> 02:11:36,292
with this type of crossing

4302
02:11:36,292 --> 02:11:37,833
where it's two lanes in each

4303
02:11:37,833 --> 02:11:38,665
direction, there's the

4304
02:11:38,665 --> 02:11:39,333
issue of

4305
02:11:39,333 --> 02:11:40,666
multiple threat. So that's

4306
02:11:40,666 --> 02:11:42,625
where the driver and the curb

4307
02:11:42,625 --> 02:11:44,000
lane stops. But then the driver

4308
02:11:44,000 --> 02:11:46,250
in the left lane does not stop.

4309
02:11:46,250 --> 02:11:47,208
Technically speaking, that's

4310
02:11:47,208 --> 02:11:49,000
illegal. If there's someone

4311
02:11:49,000 --> 02:11:50,500
stopped at a crosswalk, you

4312
02:11:50,500 --> 02:11:52,958
shall stop. But there's a

4313
02:11:52,958 --> 02:11:53,665
difference between what we

4314
02:11:53,665 --> 02:11:54,665
should do

4315
02:11:54,665 --> 02:11:55,500
and what actually

4316
02:11:55,500 --> 02:11:56,916
happens. And so that was a big

4317
02:11:56,916 --> 02:11:58,375
focus of us, especially knowing

4318
02:11:58,375 --> 02:11:59,875
that there's a lot of bus

4319
02:11:59,875 --> 02:12:02,875
traffic here. And this actually

4320
02:12:03,000 --> 02:12:04,584
was an issue that we noticed a

4321
02:12:04,584 --> 02:12:06,333
few times through the review of

4322
02:12:06,333 --> 02:12:08,666
the camera footage that some of

4323
02:12:08,666 --> 02:12:10,833
the, the most close

4324
02:12:10,833 --> 02:12:11,333
incidences

4325
02:12:11,333 --> 02:12:14,125
occurred when someone in one

4326
02:12:14,125 --> 02:12:15,665
lane stopped, but in the next

4327
02:12:15,665 --> 02:12:19,265
lane did not. So then looking

4328
02:12:19,916 --> 02:12:22,500
at the crash data from the last

4329
02:12:22,500 --> 02:12:25,500
five years of 2021 to 2025, we

4330
02:12:25,500 --> 02:12:26,292
maintain a system.

4331
02:12:26,292 --> 02:12:26,791
And then we

4332
02:12:26,791 --> 02:12:28,665
also looked at the state system

4333
02:12:28,665 --> 02:12:30,791
signal for. And we had the one

4334
02:12:30,791 --> 02:12:32,833
fatal crash in 2024 that

4335
02:12:32,833 --> 02:12:35,833
involved a user. So someone

4336
02:12:36,791 --> 02:12:39,410
walking activated the flashing

4337
02:12:39,410 --> 02:12:40,458
beacon vehicle, stopped for

4338
02:12:40,458 --> 02:12:42,292
them. They started crossing.

4339
02:12:42,292 --> 02:12:44,708
Someone on a scooter, noticed

4340
02:12:44,708 --> 02:12:47,292
that traffic had stopped and

4341
02:12:47,292 --> 02:12:49,665
kind of went to cross. When

4342
02:12:49,665 --> 02:12:52,375
they went to cross, a bus

4343
02:12:52,375 --> 02:12:53,665
started continuing after the

4344
02:12:53,665 --> 02:12:56,650
first pedestrian had crossed

4345
02:12:56,958 --> 02:12:58,125
and there was a collisi

4346
02:12:58,125 --> 02:12:58,542
on which

4347
02:12:58,542 --> 02:13:01,542
resulted in a fatality. That

4348
02:13:02,417 --> 02:13:05,417
instance, we found that 8% of

4349
02:13:06,410 --> 02:13:08,749
the 3000 crossings that we. We

4350
02:13:08,749 --> 02:13:10,749
monitored, 8% of those

4351
02:13:11,000 --> 02:13:12,542
crossings happened where

4352
02:13:12,542 --> 02:13:14,665
basically someone entered the

4353
02:13:14,665 --> 02:13:15,666
crosswalk after someone else

4354
02:13:15,666 --> 02:13:17,542
had turned the flashing beacon

4355
02:13:17,542 --> 02:13:19,375
on. So the beacon is timed to

4356
02:13:19,375 --> 02:13:20,749
if someone hits the button,

4357
02:13:20,749 --> 02:13:22,625
it's at a walking speed and so

4358
02:13:22,625 --> 02:13:23,916
it will flash, say for 20s and

4359
02:13:23,916 --> 02:13:25,665
then turn off if someone else

4360
02:13:25,665 --> 02:13:26,708
doesn't hit the button. So that

4361
02:13:26,708 --> 02:13:28,665
was a concern that we noticed

4362
02:13:28,665 --> 02:13:30,584
and has shown up in our crash

4363
02:13:30,584 --> 02:13:31,958
data. Other than that, there

4364
02:13:31,958 --> 02:13:34,958
weren't too many glaring issues

4365
02:13:35,665 --> 02:13:38,749
for us. There were. It was

4366
02:13:38,749 --> 02:13:40,791
pretty consistent with a trail

4367
02:13:40,791 --> 02:13:42,665
user type. So most of the

4368
02:13:42,665 --> 02:13:43,333
crashes involved bicyclists,

4369
02:13:43,333 --> 02:13:45,665
but most of the trail use is

4370
02:13:45,665 --> 02:13:45,916
bicyclists

4371
02:13:45,916 --> 02:13:47,916
. And then the one

4372
02:13:47,916 --> 02:13:50,665
scooter crash was the fatality.

4373
02:13:50,665 --> 02:13:52,417
Most of these were in daylight

4374
02:13:52,417 --> 02:13:54,250
hours with clear weather, kind

4375
02:13:54,250 --> 02:13:55,665
of also consistent with when

4376
02:13:55,665 --> 02:13:59,865
the trail is used. And just to

4377
02:14:00,250 --> 02:14:01,665
note, when we look through the

4378
02:14:01,665 --> 02:14:01,833
written n

4379
02:14:01,833 --> 02:14:03,410
arrative, ten of the

4380
02:14:03,410 --> 02:14:05,125
crashes occurred when it was

4381
02:14:05,125 --> 02:14:06,916
noted that the RFB was

4382
02:14:06,916 --> 02:14:08,666
activated, noting that would

4383
02:14:08,666 --> 02:14:11,000
require either a witness or the

4384
02:14:11,000 --> 02:14:13,749
driver or trail user saying, so

4385
02:14:13,749 --> 02:14:15,250
again, that doesn't change the

4386
02:14:15,250 --> 02:14:17,749
law necessarily, but it is an

4387
02:14:17,749 --> 02:14:20,149
interesting fact. Three drivers

4388
02:14:20,665 --> 02:14:22,542
directly said that a bus

4389
02:14:22,542 --> 02:14:23,625
blocked their line of sight of

4390
02:14:23,625 --> 02:14:25,292
a trail user that was involved

4391
02:14:25,292 --> 02:14:27,208
in the collision, and then

4392
02:14:27,208 --> 02:14:29,665
three of the crashes involved

4393
02:14:29,665 --> 02:14:31,410
that kind of multiple threat

4394
02:14:31,410 --> 02:14:31,708
issue, where you might have

4395
02:14:31,708 --> 02:14:33,458
someone going northbound on the

4396
02:14:33,458 --> 02:14:33,666
trail and someone

4397
02:14:33,666 --> 02:14:34,458
coming

4398
02:14:34,458 --> 02:14:35,666
southbound and they stopped for

4399
02:14:35,666 --> 02:14:37,375
one person and then didn't see

4400
02:14:37,375 --> 02:14:40,375
the other person coming. And

4401
02:14:40,458 --> 02:14:42,665
then also two reports noted sun

4402
02:14:42,665 --> 02:14:44,500
glare. That's a difficult one

4403
02:14:44,500 --> 02:14:46,125
with roads that go due east

4404
02:14:46,125 --> 02:14:48,333
west, but something that we can

4405
02:14:48,333 --> 02:14:49,665
take into consideration with

4406
02:14:49,665 --> 02:14:51,665
design recommendations. So

4407
02:14:51,875 --> 02:14:54,542
based on all that, went back

4408
02:14:54,542 --> 02:14:56,916
and developed some some

4409
02:14:56,916 --> 02:14:57,958
potential alternatives,

4410
02:14:57,958 --> 02:14:59,749
starting from kind of the least

4411
02:14:59,749 --> 02:15:01,250
intensive to the most intensive.

4412
02:15:01,250 --> 02:15:04,850
So the first option would be.

4413
02:15:07,666 --> 02:15:11,266
The clicker. It's so good that

4414
02:15:12,500 --> 02:15:15,500
we're we can't move forward.

4415
02:15:18,292 --> 02:15:19,665
Brian Scott: Got a clicker. Thank you.

4416
02:15:19,665 --> 02:15:21,333
There we go. There we go.

4417
02:15:21,333 --> 02:15:21,665
Kyle Simpson: So the fir

4418
02:15:21,665 --> 02:15:22,584
st one is just

4419
02:15:22,584 --> 02:15:23,665
updating the signage with

4420
02:15:23,665 --> 02:15:26,650
current standards out there.

4421
02:15:27,584 --> 02:15:30,000
Can you advance the next. Thank

4422
02:15:30,000 --> 02:15:33,000
you. Going forward would be

4423
02:15:33,292 --> 02:15:34,665
formalizing the medians. So

4424
02:15:34,665 --> 02:15:36,458
right now they're kind of just

4425
02:15:36,458 --> 02:15:37,625
landscaped medians but not a

4426
02:15:37,625 --> 02:15:38,708
refuge island. This would make

4427
02:15:38,708 --> 02:15:41,833
it a refuge island and raise

4428
02:15:41,833 --> 02:15:43,749
the the crossing. So this would

4429
02:15:43,749 --> 02:15:45,875
be consistent with fDOT has a

4430
02:15:45,875 --> 02:15:47,292
standard now for raised

4431
02:15:47,292 --> 02:15:49,500
pedestrian crossings on state

4432
02:15:49,500 --> 02:15:51,665
roadways. Currently it's not

4433
02:15:51,665 --> 02:15:53,830
allowed in Saint Petersburg per

4434
02:15:53,830 --> 02:15:54,830
their

4435
02:15:54,830 --> 02:15:55,665
comprehensive plan. But

4436
02:15:55,665 --> 02:15:57,000
it's our understanding that the

4437
02:15:57,000 --> 02:15:59,916
city intends to work through a

4438
02:15:59,916 --> 02:16:00,833
comprehensive plan update

4439
02:16:00,833 --> 02:16:03,166
sometime in the near future to

4440
02:16:03,166 --> 02:16:04,665
allow this in the future on

4441
02:16:04,665 --> 02:16:06,708
their collector and arterial

4442
02:16:06,708 --> 02:16:08,417
roadways, and so this could be

4443
02:16:08,417 --> 02:16:09,875
a good option

4444
02:16:09,875 --> 02:16:11,410
to address some

4445
02:16:11,410 --> 02:16:14,375
of the issues that we saw.

4446
02:16:14,375 --> 02:16:15,875
Another alternative we looked

4447
02:16:15,875 --> 02:16:18,375
at was adding kind of chicanes,

4448
02:16:18,375 --> 02:16:20,584
medians on the trail itself. If

4449
02:16:20,584 --> 02:16:25,410
we go to the next and then also

4450
02:16:25,410 --> 02:16:25,542
doing

4451
02:16:25,542 --> 02:16:27,333
a, we call this like a Z

4452
02:16:27,333 --> 02:16:29,733
crossing or a 45. So

4453
02:16:31,665 --> 02:16:32,665
positioning trail users where

4454
02:16:32,665 --> 02:16:34,665
as they cross the intersection

4455
02:16:34,665 --> 02:16:36,208
A, they have to slow down if

4456
02:16:36,208 --> 02:16:38,458
they're on some sort of wheeled

4457
02:16:38,458 --> 02:16:39,916
device, and it positions them

4458
02:16:39,916 --> 02:16:41,665
to look at the direction of

4459
02:16:41,665 --> 02:16:43,708
traffic that they're crossing.

4460
02:16:43,708 --> 02:16:45,708
And so it would have a kind of

4461
02:16:45,708 --> 02:16:47,958
dual purpose effect if we go to

4462
02:16:47,958 --> 02:16:51,000
the next. And then the most

4463
02:16:51,000 --> 02:16:53,791
aggressive is doing a lane

4464
02:16:53,791 --> 02:16:55,166
pinch through the crossing. So

4465
02:16:55,166 --> 02:16:56,665
this would be just for the

4466
02:16:56,665 --> 02:16:57,584
crossing

4467
02:16:57,584 --> 02:16:58,250
location, going down

4468
02:16:58,250 --> 02:16:59,665
from two lanes in each

4469
02:16:59,665 --> 02:17:01,875
direction to one lane. This one

4470
02:17:01,875 --> 02:17:03,665
would require additional

4471
02:17:03,665 --> 02:17:05,666
analysis and study based on

4472
02:17:05,666 --> 02:17:07,665
current Florida statutory

4473
02:17:07,665 --> 02:17:08,665
requirements. So this was

4474
02:17:08,665 --> 02:17:10,500
thrown as an option, but it was

4475
02:17:10,500 --> 02:17:12,665
currently not being considered.

4476
02:17:12,665 --> 02:17:13,292
We

4477
02:17:13,292 --> 02:17:16,292
continue to the next. There

4478
02:17:17,417 --> 02:17:19,791
we go. And then so this is the

4479
02:17:19,791 --> 02:17:23,391
same lane pinch but with the 45.

4480
02:17:23,665 --> 02:17:25,875
Next slide please. And then the

4481
02:17:25,875 --> 02:17:27,333
preferred alternative that was

4482
02:17:27,333 --> 02:17:29,166
come through. So we shopped

4483
02:17:29,166 --> 02:17:29,625
all

4484
02:17:29,625 --> 02:17:32,500
these around to our Bicycle

4485
02:17:32,500 --> 02:17:33,208
pedestrian advisory committee,

4486
02:17:33,208 --> 02:17:34,749
as well as the city's bike-ped

4487
02:17:34,749 --> 02:17:36,830
advisory Committee and their

4488
02:17:36,830 --> 02:17:37,666
Complete Streets Committee. And

4489
02:17:37,666 --> 02:17:39,791
so this would add a raised

4490
02:17:39,791 --> 02:17:42,665
crossing as well as the 45

4491
02:17:42,665 --> 02:17:44,292
degree alignment for the trail.

4492
02:17:44,292 --> 02:17:45,250
So this has the

4493
02:17:45,250 --> 02:17:45,958
benefit of

4494
02:17:45,958 --> 02:17:48,250
slowing down basically all

4495
02:17:48,250 --> 02:17:50,665
users. We see that when when

4496
02:17:50,665 --> 02:17:52,584
everyone is going at a slower

4497
02:17:52,584 --> 02:17:54,875
speed, when things happen,

4498
02:17:54,875 --> 02:17:56,666
everyone has more time to react

4499
02:17:56,666 --> 02:18:00,208
to that and ability to, you

4500
02:18:00,208 --> 02:18:01,584
know, prohibit

4501
02:18:01,584 --> 02:18:02,208
basically

4502
02:18:02,208 --> 02:18:03,458
conflict from happening. So

4503
02:18:03,458 --> 02:18:05,500
this was a good option that

4504
02:18:05,500 --> 02:18:07,292
everyone felt kind of addressed.

4505
02:18:07,292 --> 02:18:08,666
All the concerns that we saw

4506
02:18:08,666 --> 02:18:11,625
out there. If we continue to

4507
02:18:11,625 --> 02:18:15,166
the next. So at this point, we

4508
02:18:15,166 --> 02:18:16,875
pass this along this t

4509
02:18:16,875 --> 02:18:17,665
o the

4510
02:18:17,665 --> 02:18:19,125
county and the city. They were

4511
02:18:19,125 --> 02:18:20,166
involved throughout the whole

4512
02:18:20,166 --> 02:18:22,665
process. It will be it's a city

4513
02:18:22,665 --> 02:18:24,749
road. So they're in lead for

4514
02:18:24,749 --> 02:18:26,665
what happens in the future.

4515
02:18:26,665 --> 02:18:30,292
They do have fDOT and a good

4516
02:18:30,292 --> 02:18:32,292
partnership has identified

4517
02:18:32,666 --> 02:18:32,791
fu

4518
02:18:32,791 --> 02:18:34,333
nding in fiscal year 28 that

4519
02:18:34,333 --> 02:18:37,333
could be available to implement

4520
02:18:37,584 --> 02:18:39,984
these these improvements. And

4521
02:18:40,665 --> 02:18:43,833
we will be provide all the

4522
02:18:43,833 --> 02:18:45,665
assistance as required or as

4523
02:18:45,665 --> 02:18:47,410
requested from the city and

4524
02:18:47,410 --> 02:18:48,333
fDOT as we move forward with

4525
02:18:48,333 --> 02:18:48,833
this.

4526
02:18:48,833 --> 02:18:51,665
And if changes are made

4527
02:18:51,665 --> 02:18:53,292
in the future, we have

4528
02:18:53,292 --> 02:18:54,708
committed to go back and and

4529
02:18:54,708 --> 02:18:57,292
look at what impact they had.

4530
02:18:57,292 --> 02:18:58,708
And if it's something that that

4531
02:18:58,708 --> 02:19:01,166
could be implemented at similar

4532
02:19:01,166 --> 02:19:02,665
trail crossings throughout the

4533
02:19:02,665 --> 02:19:04,665
county, and

4534
02:19:04,666 --> 02:19:05,665
I'd be happy to

4535
02:19:05,665 --> 02:19:07,665
answer any questions.

4536
02:19:09,166 --> 02:19:13,410
Brian Scott: Questions or comments. No, I

4537
02:19:13,410 --> 02:19:16,333
got oh, Mike, go for it. Yes.

4538
02:19:16,333 --> 02:19:17,208
Mike Eisner: I'll answer to anything.

4539
02:19:17,208 --> 02:19:20,665
Don't worry. So I'm going to

4540
02:19:20,665 --> 02:19:20,665
ologize to start this off,

4541
02:19:20,665 --> 02:19:22,000
ap

4542
02:19:22,000 --> 02:19:23,916
because this whole situation of

4543
02:19:23,916 --> 02:19:25,665
what I've just listened to has

4544
02:19:25,665 --> 02:19:27,830
been a pet peeve of mine. I've

4545
02:19:27,830 --> 02:19:29,292
been sitting on the School

4546
02:19:29,292 --> 02:19:30,375
Transportation Safety Council,

4547
02:19:30,375 --> 02:19:31,708
and for years I've been

4548
02:19:31,708 --> 02:19:33,665
speaking about why can't we

4549
02:19:33,665 --> 02:19:35,410
have a motion sensor at every

4550
02:19:35,410 --> 02:19:37,410
one of these

4551
02:19:37,749 --> 02:19:38,665
intersections? It

4552
02:19:38,665 --> 02:19:41,749
is just beyond me. I, as Whit

4553
02:19:41,749 --> 02:19:43,666
knows, I have a bike. I travel

4554
02:19:43,666 --> 02:19:46,166
the trail all the time. Tarpon

4555
02:19:46,166 --> 02:19:47,665
Avenue, they don't even

4556
02:19:47,665 --> 02:19:48,916
consider going near that thing.

4557
02:19:48,916 --> 02:19:50,625
They buzz across a 30 miles an

4558
02:19:50,625 --> 02:19:52,333
hour, and then they dodge the

4559
02:19:52,333 --> 02:19:52,665
vehicles tha

4560
02:19:52,665 --> 02:19:53,208
t are going up and

4561
02:19:53,208 --> 02:19:54,958
down on Tarpon Avenue. We've

4562
02:19:54,958 --> 02:19:56,292
all seen it. That's what

4563
02:19:56,292 --> 02:19:57,584
happens in all these things.

4564
02:19:57,584 --> 02:19:59,125
You're going to have the the

4565
02:19:59,125 --> 02:20:01,333
the weakened biker is the one

4566
02:20:01,333 --> 02:20:03,749
that will sit there, push the

4567
02:20:03,749 --> 02:20:05,625
button, hope for the best and

4568
02:20:05,625 --> 02:20:07,458
whatnot. But the skin tight

4569
02:20:07,458 --> 02:20:08,833
people flying

4570
02:20:08,833 --> 02:20:09,665
across 30 miles

4571
02:20:09,665 --> 02:20:11,665
an hour, they're not stopping.

4572
02:20:11,665 --> 02:20:15,265
And you can't expect the you

4573
02:20:15,665 --> 02:20:18,166
cannot expect the cars to be

4574
02:20:18,166 --> 02:20:19,665
able to see everything that

4575
02:20:19,665 --> 02:20:21,666
goes on. I know when you go

4576
02:20:21,666 --> 02:20:24,333
down in my neck of the woods in

4577
02:20:24,333 --> 02:20:24,542
mirror

4578
02:20:24,542 --> 02:20:27,791
s, there's a huge area of

4579
02:20:27,791 --> 02:20:31,391
grass that you cannot see going

4580
02:20:31,458 --> 02:20:33,858
south. When you're traveling

4581
02:20:33,958 --> 02:20:35,833
east, you just cannot see. So

4582
02:20:35,833 --> 02:20:37,665
there is a stop sign there.

4583
02:20:37,665 --> 02:20:40,000
Some people stop, some people

4584
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:40,542
almost

4585
02:20:40,542 --> 02:20:41,417
run into the people, you

4586
02:20:41,417 --> 02:20:42,500
know, the people that are

4587
02:20:42,500 --> 02:20:44,292
coming down the trail. We have

4588
02:20:44,292 --> 02:20:46,791
to have to not count on

4589
02:20:46,791 --> 02:20:49,191
people's consideration. We have

4590
02:20:49,458 --> 02:20:53,410
to think beyond the the, the

4591
02:20:53,410 --> 02:20:54,791
ability, their abilities. And

4592
02:20:54,791 --> 02:20:56,375
there has to be a motion senso

4593
02:20:56,375 --> 02:20:56,665
r

4594
02:20:56,665 --> 02:20:58,458
there to be able to warn the

4595
02:20:58,458 --> 02:20:59,665
driver that somebody is coming

4596
02:20:59,665 --> 02:21:01,958
and flashing. This will stop.

4597
02:21:01,958 --> 02:21:03,833
Also, that next person that

4598
02:21:03,833 --> 02:21:06,417
comes behind, the person that

4599
02:21:06,417 --> 02:21:08,791
you know, you have that timer,

4600
02:21:08,791 --> 02:21:11,410
the timer will be reset again

4601
02:21:11,410 --> 02:21:12,500
by the. We have the

4602
02:21:12,500 --> 02:21:12,665
technology,

4603
02:21:12,665 --> 02:21:15,410
we just don't use it. When I

4604
02:21:15,410 --> 02:21:17,500
delved into it, from what I

4605
02:21:17,500 --> 02:21:18,665
understand, the fDOT didn't

4606
02:21:18,665 --> 02:21:20,958
have anything on their list

4607
02:21:20,958 --> 02:21:23,708
that warranted a motion sensors.

4608
02:21:23,708 --> 02:21:25,625
They didn't have anything on

4609
02:21:25,625 --> 02:21:28,333
the list for a school light,

4610
02:21:28,333 --> 02:21:30,410
which is not what we're talking

4611
02:21:30,410 --> 02:21:32,125
about. But we have to, you know,

4612
02:21:32,125 --> 02:21:33,375
wake up and understand if we

4613
02:21:33,375 --> 02:21:35,125
want to save, you know,

4614
02:21:35,125 --> 02:21:36,958
pedestrians and we want to save

4615
02:21:36,958 --> 02:21:38,333
people, we have to make sure

4616
02:21:38,333 --> 02:21:39,708
that we put electronics into

4617
02:21:39,708 --> 02:21:43,308
this. I, I'm seeing what you

4618
02:21:43,375 --> 02:21:44,125
what you pre

4619
02:21:44,125 --> 02:21:44,791
sented and I

4620
02:21:44,791 --> 02:21:46,250
appreciate it all. But but

4621
02:21:46,250 --> 02:21:47,665
that's not going to solve the

4622
02:21:47,665 --> 02:21:48,000
problem.

4623
02:21:48,000 --> 02:21:49,458
Kyle Simpson: Yeah. So you bring up a good

4624
02:21:49,458 --> 02:21:51,250
point. And that is something

4625
02:21:51,250 --> 02:21:53,830
that we looked into and we went

4626
02:21:53,830 --> 02:21:55,665
around to. So basically today

4627
02:21:55,665 --> 02:21:58,665
there are sensors that kind of.

4628
02:21:58,665 --> 02:22:00,250
And there actually is one on

4629
02:22:00,250 --> 02:22:02,500
the trail at an intersection in

4630
02:22:02,500 --> 02:22:04,665
Clearwater when they're higher

4631
02:22:04,665 --> 02:22:06,458
volume crossings. Good. Then.

4632
02:22:06,458 --> 02:22:07,500
Yeah, the current, the

4633
02:22:07,500 --> 02:22:08,666
challenge is if it's just

4634
02:22:08,666 --> 02:22:10,708
always flashing, it reduces its

4635
02:22:10,708 --> 02:22:11,584
effectiveness. And so we were

4636
02:22:11,584 --> 02:22:13,665
trying to see if there is a

4637
02:22:13,665 --> 02:22:15,708
kind of off the shelf item that

4638
02:22:15,708 --> 02:22:16,584
we could

4639
02:22:16,584 --> 02:22:17,875
recommend, where it

4640
02:22:17,875 --> 02:22:19,708
uses camera technology to kind

4641
02:22:19,708 --> 02:22:22,292
of see when someone's in the

4642
02:22:22,292 --> 02:22:23,665
crosswalk versus not. So right

4643
02:22:23,665 --> 02:22:25,125
now, if it activates, it

4644
02:22:25,125 --> 02:22:28,125
activates for a walking speed.

4645
02:22:28,500 --> 02:22:30,665
So whereas 90% of the people

4646
02:22:30,665 --> 02:22:31,916
crossing are on bike, every

4647
02:22:31,916 --> 02:22:33,791
time it turns on, it's going

4648
02:22:33,791 --> 02:22:35,166
for as if someone's walking

4649
02:22:35,166 --> 02:22:36,665
across. So we wanted to see,

4650
02:22:36,665 --> 02:22:39,665
could we implement a passive

4651
02:22:42,208 --> 02:22:42,542
detection.

4652
02:22:42,542 --> 02:22:43,410
>> Reading.

4653
02:22:43,410 --> 02:22:45,410
>> Your own accident?

4654
02:22:45,333 --> 02:22:46,665
>> Have a yeah, where you don't

4655
02:22:46,665 --> 02:22:48,292
have to press the button.

4656
02:22:48,292 --> 02:22:48,417
But

4657
02:22:48,417 --> 02:22:49,665
then it's also not activating a

4658
02:22:49,665 --> 02:22:51,333
bunch of stale activation where,

4659
02:22:51,333 --> 02:22:52,417
you know, the lights are

4660
02:22:52,417 --> 02:22:53,625
flashing, but no one's in the

4661
02:22:53,625 --> 02:22:55,000
crosswalk. Unfortunately, we

4662
02:22:55,000 --> 02:22:56,500
weren't able to identify that

4663
02:22:56,500 --> 02:22:57,665
at this point, but it's

4664
02:22:57,665 --> 02:22:59,665
something that I know fDOT is

4665
02:22:59,665 --> 02:23:00,749
interested in and some of the

4666
02:23:00,749 --> 02:23:03,665
districts are working on. It's

4667
02:23:03,665 --> 02:23:03,916
something

4668
02:23:03,916 --> 02:23:05,500
that we noted in the

4669
02:23:05,500 --> 02:23:06,708
report that passive detection

4670
02:23:06,708 --> 02:23:08,665
is a good option, especially

4671
02:23:08,665 --> 02:23:10,665
combined with noting the user

4672
02:23:10,665 --> 02:23:12,665
type and trying to address kind

4673
02:23:12,665 --> 02:23:14,458
of those, those concerns that

4674
02:23:14,458 --> 02:23:15,458
you identified.

4675
02:23:15,458 --> 02:23:17,458
Mike Eisner: Let me let me just go into

4676
02:23:17,458 --> 02:23:19,500
this one more. Yes, there's

4677
02:23:19,500 --> 02:23:20,830
always

4678
02:23:20,830 --> 02:23:21,208
extenuating

4679
02:23:21,208 --> 02:23:22,665
circumstances. And there is a

4680
02:23:22,665 --> 02:23:24,458
spot in Dunedin. I know that

4681
02:23:24,458 --> 02:23:26,417
the light could be going on all

4682
02:23:26,417 --> 02:23:28,666
day. And in those particular

4683
02:23:28,666 --> 02:23:31,333
areas we need to have a red

4684
02:23:31,333 --> 02:23:33,125
light, not a flashing light.

4685
02:23:33,125 --> 02:23:35,250
And it's to stop the the

4686
02:23:35,250 --> 02:23:35,875
bicyclists. It's to

4687
02:23:35,875 --> 02:23:36,665
stop the

4688
02:23:36,665 --> 02:23:38,125
pedestrians from walking across.

4689
02:23:38,125 --> 02:23:40,250
Just have a red light. I know

4690
02:23:40,250 --> 02:23:42,830
I've spoken a number of times

4691
02:23:42,830 --> 02:23:45,830
about Klosterman in 19. I just

4692
02:23:45,665 --> 02:23:47,125
saw some posts that people

4693
02:23:47,125 --> 02:23:48,665
don't even want to have that do

4694
02:23:48,665 --> 02:23:50,666
not turn on red. They're. They

4695
02:23:50,666 --> 02:23:51,666
just don't want it

4696
02:23:51,666 --> 02:23:52,125
and they

4697
02:23:52,125 --> 02:23:54,665
don't obey it. I was almost hit

4698
02:23:54,665 --> 02:23:56,292
there because the person's

4699
02:23:56,292 --> 02:23:57,584
looking to the left and

4700
02:23:57,584 --> 02:23:59,665
straight sees nobody coming.

4701
02:23:59,665 --> 02:24:02,916
The intersection there is at a

4702
02:24:02,916 --> 02:24:06,208
acute angle, and there. If you

4703
02:24:06,208 --> 02:24:07,665
don't put a

4704
02:24:07,665 --> 02:24:09,166
arm down to stop

4705
02:24:09,166 --> 02:24:10,292
the people, they're going to

4706
02:24:10,292 --> 02:24:13,000
make that right on red. And I

4707
02:24:13,000 --> 02:24:15,333
luckily was able to give it all

4708
02:24:15,333 --> 02:24:17,250
the gas I had on my e-bike, or

4709
02:24:17,250 --> 02:24:18,791
I would have been hit. So

4710
02:24:18,791 --> 02:24:20,584
they're always going to be the

4711
02:24:20,584 --> 02:24:23,125
one or 2 or 3 areas where we

4712
02:24:23,125 --> 02:24:23,666
have to think

4713
02:24:23,666 --> 02:24:24,665
outside the box.

4714
02:24:24,665 --> 02:24:27,417
But for the most part, a motion

4715
02:24:27,417 --> 02:24:29,208
sensor at each one of these

4716
02:24:29,208 --> 02:24:31,208
intersections. Golden. That's

4717
02:24:31,458 --> 02:24:34,665
all I have to say. It's my pet

4718
02:24:34,665 --> 02:24:35,292
peeve.

4719
02:24:35,292 --> 02:24:38,625
Brian Scott: Thank you. Mike. Any other

4720
02:24:38,625 --> 02:24:39,665
thoughts?

4721
02:24:39,665 --> 02:24:41,830
So I got a couple

4722
02:24:41,830 --> 02:24:42,791
thoughts. So I agree with the

4723
02:24:42,791 --> 02:24:43,958
preferred alternative. To me,

4724
02:24:43,958 --> 02:24:45,166
that's the one that makes the

4725
02:24:45,166 --> 02:24:46,791
most sense to me. Putting

4726
02:24:46,791 --> 02:24:48,410
medians on the trail don't do

4727
02:24:48,410 --> 02:24:49,333
that. That's going to get

4728
02:24:49,333 --> 02:24:50,542
people hurt. They're going to

4729
02:24:50,542 --> 02:24:52,000
run into them. They're not

4730
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:54,542
going to pay attention to them.

4731
02:24:54,542 --> 02:24:55,542
I was thinking along

4732
02:24:55,542 --> 02:24:55,791
the same

4733
02:24:55,791 --> 02:24:57,665
lines as you were Mike. If

4734
02:24:57,665 --> 02:24:58,666
there'd be a great way if we

4735
02:24:58,666 --> 02:25:00,665
could just automate the RF, you

4736
02:25:00,665 --> 02:25:02,875
know, the beacons, I think

4737
02:25:02,875 --> 02:25:04,375
there may be a false sense of

4738
02:25:04,375 --> 02:25:05,542
security in that, though, is

4739
02:25:05,542 --> 02:25:06,625
that people think, well, it

4740
02:25:06,625 --> 02:25:08,500
just it's off. I can just clear

4741
02:25:08,500 --> 02:25:10,500
through and I worry about that

4742
02:25:10,500 --> 02:25:11,458
a little bit too.

4743
02:25:11,458 --> 02:25:11,958
If the

4744
02:25:11,958 --> 02:25:13,708
technology certainly exists to

4745
02:25:13,708 --> 02:25:16,208
to do that. I mean, I've got on,

4746
02:25:16,208 --> 02:25:17,666
on, you know, any serious

4747
02:25:17,666 --> 02:25:18,749
cyclist these days, you've got

4748
02:25:18,749 --> 02:25:21,458
a Garmin up front and you've

4749
02:25:21,458 --> 02:25:23,830
got a flashing red light on the

4750
02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:24,665
back. That's actually a radar.

4751
02:25:24,665 --> 02:25:27,410
And it tells you when a car is

4752
02:25:27,410 --> 02:25:27,333
approachin

4753
02:25:27,333 --> 02:25:28,250
g before you can ever

4754
02:25:28,250 --> 02:25:30,665
hear it. So you're aware of, of

4755
02:25:30,665 --> 02:25:31,749
something that's coming up on

4756
02:25:31,749 --> 02:25:33,208
you that's going to overtake

4757
02:25:33,208 --> 02:25:35,458
you, you know, long before you

4758
02:25:35,458 --> 02:25:37,208
can ever hear it. So that type

4759
02:25:37,208 --> 02:25:38,665
of technology is certainly out

4760
02:25:38,665 --> 02:25:41,333
there. I just the only concern

4761
02:25:41,333 --> 02:25:43,166
I have is that people get a

4762
02:25:43,166 --> 02:25:43,292
fa

4763
02:25:43,292 --> 02:25:44,292
lse sense of security with

4764
02:25:44,292 --> 02:25:46,166
the lights on. I can just keep

4765
02:25:46,166 --> 02:25:46,542
I can just.

4766
02:25:46,542 --> 02:25:48,166
Kyle Simpson: Yeah, that was another

4767
02:25:48,166 --> 02:25:49,250
concern with it being not a

4768
02:25:49,250 --> 02:25:51,208
regulatory device. Right? Yeah.

4769
02:25:51,208 --> 02:25:52,958
Brian Scott: Right. But but I like the,

4770
02:25:52,958 --> 02:25:54,458
the preferred alternative here.

4771
02:25:54,458 --> 02:25:56,625
I think that's the best option.

4772
02:25:56,625 --> 02:25:58,625
So anything else.

4773
02:25:59,417 --> 02:26:00,625
No. All right.

4774
02:26:00,625 --> 02:26:00,958
Thanks, Kyle.

4775
02:26:00,958 --> 02:26:03,358
Kyle Simpson: Thank you.

4776
02:26:03,458 --> 02:26:04,791
Brian Scott: All right. So my

4777
02:26:04,791 --> 02:26:06,292
understanding is on the Special

4778
02:26:06,292 --> 02:26:07,500
Act review subcommittee you all

4779
02:26:07,500 --> 02:26:09,166
wanted to meet one more time.

4780
02:26:09,166 --> 02:26:10,375
So we're going to we're going

4781
02:26:10,375 --> 02:26:12,292
to hold on that one until next

4782
02:26:12,292 --> 02:26:14,410
meeting. And then we'll move on

4783
02:26:14,410 --> 02:26:16,441
to data center overview.

4784
02:26:17,830 --> 02:26:19,830
Whit Blanton: As Linda is coming up, I do

4785
02:26:19,830 --> 02:26:20,292
want to say that the

4786
02:26:20,292 --> 02:26:21,500
subcommittee made a lot of good

4787
02:26:21,500 --> 02:26:23,830
progress today. So I think

4788
02:26:23,830 --> 02:26:24,333
we'll be ready. And we've just

4789
02:26:24,333 --> 02:26:26,166
got a couple of more things to

4790
02:26:26,166 --> 02:26:30,366
work out. So stay tuned on that.

4791
02:26:31,584 --> 02:26:32,791
Linda Fisher: Thank you.

4792
02:26:32,791 --> 02:26:34,410
I need to say at the

4793
02:26:34,410 --> 02:26:35,665
beginning that giving credit

4794
02:26:35,665 --> 02:26:37,665
where it's due that this data

4795
02:26:37,665 --> 02:26:40,125
centers project was mainly the

4796
02:26:40,125 --> 02:26:42,333
product of Emma Wennick. I

4797
02:26:42,333 --> 02:26:43,333
helped out and I'm helping out

4798
02:26:43,333 --> 02:26:44,666
today with the presentation.

4799
02:26:44,666 --> 02:26:46,666
Thank you Tina.

4800
02:26:47,875 --> 02:26:48,916
So we have been

4801
02:26:48,916 --> 02:26:50,125
asked to look at this very

4802
02:26:50,125 --> 02:26:51,833
important emerging issue. We've

4803
02:26:51,833 --> 02:26:53,375
drafted a white paper which is

4804
02:26:53,375 --> 02:26:55,665
in your packets. We looked at

4805
02:26:55,665 --> 02:26:57,458
trends for data center

4806
02:26:57,458 --> 02:26:59,208
development and the planning

4807
02:26:59,208 --> 02:26:59,791
implications that our

4808
02:26:59,791 --> 02:27:02,410
communities need to be aware of.

4809
02:27:02,410 --> 02:27:03,000
Our goal is not

4810
02:27:03,000 --> 02:27:03,749
to advocate for

4811
02:27:03,749 --> 02:27:06,410
or against data centers, but

4812
02:27:06,410 --> 02:27:08,441
just to provide information.

4813
02:27:12,584 --> 02:27:13,665
Could someone advance the slide

4814
02:27:13,665 --> 02:27:14,665
for me, please?

4815
02:27:14,665 --> 02:27:15,916
Tina Jablon: You can do it from that

4816
02:27:15,916 --> 02:27:17,208
touch screen.

4817
02:27:17,208 --> 02:27:19,250
Linds Fisher: Okay. Right there. That one.

4818
02:27:19,250 --> 02:27:22,208
Thank you. So why are data

4819
02:27:22,208 --> 02:27:23,665
centers suddenly such an urgent

4820
02:27:23,665 --> 02:27:26,584
issue? Well, the industry is

4821
02:27:26,584 --> 02:27:28,958
being driven by an explosion of

4822
02:27:28,958 --> 02:27:30,584
demand for artificial

4823
02:27:30,584 --> 02:27:32,665
intelligence or AI, as well as

4824
02:27:32,665 --> 02:27:35,650
cloud computing and other

4825
02:27:35,208 --> 02:27:37,665
industry trends. The amount of

4826
02:27:37,665 --> 02:27:39,500
data center capacity in North

4827
02:27:39,500 --> 02:27:40,665
America has increased by more

4828
02:27:40,665 --> 02:27:43,650
than 12 fold since 2020, and

4829
02:27:44,830 --> 02:27:45,791
demand is still outpacing

4830
02:27:45,791 --> 02:27:48,791
supply, so these facilities are

4831
02:27:49,292 --> 02:27:51,410
needed to support the digital

4832
02:27:51,410 --> 02:27:53,166
economy, but they're also

4833
02:27:53,166 --> 02:27:55,566
causing growing public concern.

4834
02:27:56,417 --> 02:27:57,791
Some of these facilities take

4835
02:27:57,791 --> 02:28:00,292
up enormous amounts of land.

4836
02:28:00,292 --> 02:28:02,584
They can consume very large

4837
02:28:02,584 --> 02:28:04,250
amounts of electricity and

4838
02:28:04,250 --> 02:28:06,458
water, which can drive up costs

4839
02:28:06,458 --> 02:28:07,500
for those

4840
02:28:07,500 --> 02:28:08,625
utilities or even

4841
02:28:08,625 --> 02:28:10,458
create scarcity in local

4842
02:28:10,458 --> 02:28:12,542
communities. And they some of

4843
02:28:12,542 --> 02:28:15,410
them can also create pollution

4844
02:28:15,410 --> 02:28:17,000
or intrusive levels of noise

4845
02:28:17,000 --> 02:28:19,333
and other impacts on the on

4846
02:28:19,333 --> 02:28:21,333
their surrounding communities.

4847
02:28:21,791 --> 02:28:22,749
And for all of

4848
02:28:22,749 --> 02:28:23,665
those impacts,

4849
02:28:23,665 --> 02:28:26,650
data centers actually generate

4850
02:28:26,166 --> 02:28:27,958
relatively few jobs. They are

4851
02:28:27,958 --> 02:28:30,250
mostly automated. So all of

4852
02:28:30,250 --> 02:28:31,833
these issues have put them on

4853
02:28:31,833 --> 02:28:33,375
the forefront of our land use

4854
02:28:33,375 --> 02:28:35,375
planning concerns.

4855
02:28:39,584 --> 02:28:40,250
Still not

4856
02:28:40,250 --> 02:28:43,850
working. Thank you. I need you

4857
02:28:45,458 --> 02:28:49,580
to click two more times. Thank

4858
02:28:50,333 --> 02:28:53,125
you. So one of the most

4859
02:28:53,125 --> 02:28:54,208
important findings from our

4860
02:28:54,208 --> 02:28:54,665
research

4861
02:28:54,665 --> 02:28:55,916
is that not all data

4862
02:28:55,916 --> 02:28:58,833
centers are alike. Much of the

4863
02:28:58,833 --> 02:29:01,830
public discussion centers on

4864
02:29:01,830 --> 02:29:03,333
the very large, what are called

4865
02:29:03,333 --> 02:29:04,958
hyperscale facilities. And

4866
02:29:04,958 --> 02:29:07,125
those are extremely large

4867
02:29:07,125 --> 02:29:08,665
campuses that can occupy

4868
02:29:08,665 --> 02:29:10,708
hundreds of acres and consume

4869
02:29:10,708 --> 02:29:11,916
utilities at a rate that can

4870
02:29:11,916 --> 02:29:14,708
rival cities. But there are

4871
02:29:14,708 --> 02:29:15,584
smaller types of cities

4872
02:29:15,584 --> 02:29:17,916
referred to as edge or

4873
02:29:17,916 --> 02:29:19,542
enterprise centers that operate

4874
02:29:19,542 --> 02:29:21,250
very differently, and they can

4875
02:29:21,250 --> 02:29:23,000
often coexist in developed

4876
02:29:23,000 --> 02:29:25,625
areas. The ones shown on the

4877
02:29:25,625 --> 02:29:26,500
left is one

4878
02:29:26,500 --> 02:29:27,542
of a handful of

4879
02:29:27,542 --> 02:29:28,542
data centers. It's actually

4880
02:29:28,542 --> 02:29:31,375
located in downtown Tampa. And

4881
02:29:31,375 --> 02:29:32,333
then there are some medium

4882
02:29:32,333 --> 02:29:33,875
sized facilities that can fit

4883
02:29:33,875 --> 02:29:35,916
into office or industrial parks.

4884
02:29:35,916 --> 02:29:37,666
A particularly if there's some

4885
02:29:37,666 --> 02:29:40,660
distance from residential areas.

4886
02:29:40,333 --> 02:29:42,417
So it's important to understand

4887
02:29:42,417 --> 02:29:43,749
the differences in impacts

4888
02:29:43,749 --> 02:29:45,665
between the different sizes and

4889
02:29:45,665 --> 02:29:48,665
types of facilities and to

4890
02:29:48,665 --> 02:29:51,125
tailor our regulations for them.

4891
02:29:51,125 --> 02:29:52,665
And we talk about that. Those

4892
02:29:52,665 --> 02:29:56,265
issues in the white paper. Next

4893
02:29:56,542 --> 02:29:58,542
slide please.

4894
02:30:00,410 --> 02:30:01,830
Thank you. As far

4895
02:30:01,830 --> 02:30:02,916
as we're able to determine, we

4896
02:30:02,916 --> 02:30:04,665
don't have any data centers in

4897
02:30:04,665 --> 02:30:06,875
Pinellas County currently, but

4898
02:30:06,875 --> 02:30:08,375
it's been fairly well

4899
02:30:08,375 --> 02:30:09,625
publicized that Pinellas Park

4900
02:30:09,625 --> 02:30:11,665
has received an application to

4901
02:30:11,665 --> 02:30:14,208
build one. It's for a small

4902
02:30:14,208 --> 02:30:14,292
er

4903
02:30:14,292 --> 02:30:15,875
edge facility on just three

4904
02:30:15,875 --> 02:30:18,708
acres of land. But even so,

4905
02:30:18,708 --> 02:30:20,665
it's projected electricity use

4906
02:30:20,665 --> 02:30:22,749
would be four megawatts, which

4907
02:30:22,749 --> 02:30:25,292
is the equivalent of about 2500

4908
02:30:25,292 --> 02:30:27,665
houses. And there are just a

4909
02:30:27,665 --> 02:30:28,749
lot of unknowns about its

4910
02:30:28,749 --> 02:30:30,665
potential impacts.

4911
02:30:30,665 --> 02:30:31,500
So the city

4912
02:30:31,500 --> 02:30:32,833
has come to the conclusion that

4913
02:30:32,833 --> 02:30:34,875
they need more time to draft

4914
02:30:34,875 --> 02:30:36,458
regulations to address those

4915
02:30:36,458 --> 02:30:39,250
concerns. They are pausing the

4916
02:30:39,250 --> 02:30:41,000
application and exploring the

4917
02:30:41,000 --> 02:30:42,708
possibility for a formal

4918
02:30:42,708 --> 02:30:45,208
moratorium. And that is a

4919
02:30:45,208 --> 02:30:46,830
decision that is e

4920
02:30:46,830 --> 02:30:46,665
choing around

4921
02:30:46,665 --> 02:30:49,166
the state. There is a growing

4922
02:30:49,166 --> 02:30:51,166
list of jurisdictions, mostly

4923
02:30:51,166 --> 02:30:53,000
counties, that have enacted

4924
02:30:53,000 --> 02:30:55,400
either limited moratoriums or

4925
02:30:55,500 --> 02:30:58,665
outright bans, and that is to

4926
02:30:58,665 --> 02:31:00,292
give them more time to evaluate

4927
02:31:00,292 --> 02:31:02,665
the impacts of these data

4928
02:31:02,665 --> 02:31:03,665
centers and to develop the

4929
02:31:03,665 --> 02:31:04,666
regulations that adequately

4930
02:31:04,666 --> 02:31:07,660
protect their communities. Next

4931
02:31:07,665 --> 02:31:10,665
slide, please. Thank you. So

4932
02:31:15,833 --> 02:31:18,410
our staff is supportive of

4933
02:31:18,410 --> 02:31:18,500
the

4934
02:31:18,500 --> 02:31:20,500
city's determination after

4935
02:31:20,665 --> 02:31:22,665
studying this issue. Our

4936
02:31:22,665 --> 02:31:24,125
determination is that data

4937
02:31:24,125 --> 02:31:25,665
centers don't clearly fit in

4938
02:31:25,665 --> 02:31:28,584
with the county wide rules. We

4939
02:31:28,584 --> 02:31:29,916
haven't been able to identify a

4940
02:31:29,916 --> 02:31:32,542
land use definition or a

4941
02:31:32,542 --> 02:31:33,665
category that can accommodate

4942
02:31:33,665 --> 02:31:34,166
them.

4943
02:31:34,166 --> 02:31:35,665
The closest thing we have

4944
02:31:35,665 --> 02:31:37,666
in terms of addressing the

4945
02:31:37,666 --> 02:31:38,749
potential impacts that they

4946
02:31:38,749 --> 02:31:40,665
have would be heavy

4947
02:31:40,665 --> 02:31:43,650
manufacturing. But these aren't

4948
02:31:43,250 --> 02:31:44,375
manufacturing uses, and their

4949
02:31:44,375 --> 02:31:46,708
impacts aren't quite the same.

4950
02:31:46,708 --> 02:31:48,333
So we have talked with our

4951
02:31:48,333 --> 02:31:50,333
planners advisory committee

4952
02:31:51,830 --> 02:31:51,166
,

4953
02:31:51,166 --> 02:31:53,292
and we determined that no other

4954
02:31:53,292 --> 02:31:55,749
community as of now has, has

4955
02:31:55,749 --> 02:31:57,916
heard of any serious proposals

4956
02:31:57,916 --> 02:31:59,666
to build these. And everyone is

4957
02:31:59,666 --> 02:32:01,830
really just at the very

4958
02:32:01,830 --> 02:32:02,333
beginning of thinking about how

4959
02:32:02,333 --> 02:32:04,830
to address these, these issues

4960
02:32:04,830 --> 02:32:06,830
as they arise.

4961
02:32:06,250 --> 02:32:07,333
So after a

4962
02:32:07,333 --> 02:32:08,458
discussion at last week's

4963
02:32:08,458 --> 02:32:10,584
meeting, pack voted to

4964
02:32:10,584 --> 02:32:11,665
establish a subcommittee to

4965
02:32:11,665 --> 02:32:13,458
begin working through the

4966
02:32:13,458 --> 02:32:15,208
potential policy and regulatory

4967
02:32:15,208 --> 02:32:18,208
implications. And one more time.

4968
02:32:18,375 --> 02:32:20,775
Next slide please. The

4969
02:32:21,665 --> 02:32:22,458
se are

4970
02:32:22,458 --> 02:32:24,250
not just technical planning

4971
02:32:24,250 --> 02:32:25,666
issues for staff to solve. This

4972
02:32:25,666 --> 02:32:28,665
is also a matter of policy. So

4973
02:32:28,665 --> 02:32:30,665
we are requesting your

4974
02:32:30,665 --> 02:32:31,708
direction for how you would

4975
02:32:31,708 --> 02:32:33,625
like us to approach the issue

4976
02:32:33,625 --> 02:32:36,410
as countywide staff. Should we

4977
02:32:36,410 --> 02:32:37,833
work toward a single

4978
02:32:37,833 --> 02:32:38,292
countywide

4979
02:32:38,292 --> 02:32:40,692
policy approach? That could

4980
02:32:40,749 --> 02:32:42,833
include a formal determination

4981
02:32:42,833 --> 02:32:45,125
that we don't have a land use

4982
02:32:45,125 --> 02:32:46,208
category that can accommodate

4983
02:32:46,208 --> 02:32:48,417
data centers? That would be

4984
02:32:48,417 --> 02:32:49,500
something that the local

4985
02:32:49,500 --> 02:32:50,666
governments would need to be

4986
02:32:50,666 --> 02:32:53,500
consistent with as well. We

4987
02:32:53,500 --> 02:32:53,666
could

4988
02:32:53,666 --> 02:32:55,625
also potentially explore

4989
02:32:55,625 --> 02:32:57,000
whether something like a

4990
02:32:57,000 --> 02:32:58,708
countywide moratorium would be

4991
02:32:58,708 --> 02:33:01,108
possible or desirable. And

4992
02:33:01,749 --> 02:33:03,665
should we begin working to

4993
02:33:03,665 --> 02:33:04,875
develop amendments to the

4994
02:33:04,875 --> 02:33:07,275
countywide rules again, every

4995
02:33:07,500 --> 02:33:08,625
community would need to be

4996
02:33:08,625 --> 02:33:09,875
consistent. We

4997
02:33:09,875 --> 02:33:10,542
would work with

4998
02:33:10,542 --> 02:33:12,665
the pack subcommittee. That's

4999
02:33:12,665 --> 02:33:14,665
not something that would happen

5000
02:33:14,665 --> 02:33:15,665
overnight, because there's a

5001
02:33:15,665 --> 02:33:16,708
lot more research that would

5002
02:33:16,708 --> 02:33:18,665
need to be done, so it would

5003
02:33:18,665 --> 02:33:19,916
likely be sometime early next

5004
02:33:19,916 --> 02:33:22,833
year at the earliest, but those

5005
02:33:22,833 --> 02:33:25,625
things would be our recommended

5006
02:33:25,625 --> 02:33:27,833
approach. As staff. There is

5007
02:33:27,833 --> 02:33:29,375
strength in numbers. If we are

5008
02:33:29,375 --> 02:33:31,749
all on the same page across our

5009
02:33:31,749 --> 02:33:33,000
local governments, then that

5010
02:33:33,000 --> 02:33:35,584
gives us stronger, a stronger

5011
02:33:35,584 --> 02:33:37,333
legal foundation for responding

5012
02:33:37,333 --> 02:33:38,584
to these applications in a way

5013
02:33:38,584 --> 02:33:40,984
that protects our communities.

5014
02:33:42,665 --> 02:33:45,208
So that is our report. I'm

5015
02:33:45,208 --> 02:33:46,916
happy to answer any questions,

5016
02:33:46,916 --> 02:33:49,250
otherwise I will request your

5017
02:33:49,250 --> 02:33:50,625
direction.

5018
02:33:50,625 --> 02:33:53,625
Brian Scott: Questions? Thoughts? All

5019
02:33:54,791 --> 02:33:56,292
right Mike. And then we'll go

5020
02:33:56,292 --> 02:33:57,458
to

5021
02:33:57,458 --> 02:33:58,542
Richie.

5022
02:33:58,542 --> 02:33:59,791
Mike Mannino: Thank you, chairman. I have a

5023
02:33:59,791 --> 02:34:01,665
couple. I would be a little

5024
02:34:01,665 --> 02:34:03,584
hesitant on a single county

5025
02:34:03,584 --> 02:34:07,784
wide ban and my kind of issue

5026
02:34:08,292 --> 02:34:10,666
unresolved stems from, you know,

5027
02:34:10,666 --> 02:34:12,292
Clearwater Gas Company serves

5028
02:34:12,292 --> 02:34:13,875
over 17 local

5029
02:34:13,875 --> 02:34:14,250
municipalities.

5030
02:34:14,250 --> 02:34:16,542
And two of the biggest

5031
02:34:16,542 --> 02:34:17,665
pushbacks we hear so often on

5032
02:34:17,665 --> 02:34:19,584
data centers are stresses that

5033
02:34:19,584 --> 02:34:24,410
are put on the grid, as well as

5034
02:34:24,410 --> 02:34:26,166
the use and or waste use of

5035
02:34:26,166 --> 02:34:27,916
water and consumption, which is

5036
02:34:27,916 --> 02:34:29,500
obviously

5037
02:34:29,500 --> 02:34:30,166
rightfully so, should

5038
02:34:30,166 --> 02:34:31,916
be concerns. But when you have

5039
02:34:31,916 --> 02:34:33,417
the ability to convert

5040
02:34:33,417 --> 02:34:35,208
something like to natural gas,

5041
02:34:35,208 --> 02:34:37,458
where there's plenty of it, and

5042
02:34:37,458 --> 02:34:39,791
a local company that supplies

5043
02:34:39,791 --> 02:34:41,665
all the municipalities as well,

5044
02:34:41,665 --> 02:34:43,417
as I think a lot of our

5045
02:34:43,417 --> 02:34:45,208
municipalities have

5046
02:34:45,208 --> 02:34:45,500
challenges

5047
02:34:45,500 --> 02:34:47,000
and how we get rid of

5048
02:34:47,000 --> 02:34:49,166
wastewater. Is there ever

5049
02:34:49,166 --> 02:34:50,417
discussions about natural gas,

5050
02:34:50,417 --> 02:34:52,458
as well as how we use recycled

5051
02:34:52,458 --> 02:34:54,665
wastewater versus. I'm just

5052
02:34:54,665 --> 02:34:55,665
wondering how that if that's

5053
02:34:55,665 --> 02:34:57,830
come into the discussion.

5054
02:34:57,830 --> 02:34:58,875
Linda Fisher: There are different impacts

5055
02:34:58,875 --> 02:35:00,500
based on how these facilities

5056
02:35:00,500 --> 02:35:01,125
are p

5057
02:35:01,125 --> 02:35:03,208
owered and what type of

5058
02:35:03,208 --> 02:35:04,665
cooling they use, which is

5059
02:35:04,665 --> 02:35:06,830
where the water consumption

5060
02:35:06,830 --> 02:35:07,333
comes from. So that would be

5061
02:35:07,333 --> 02:35:09,665
part of what we would study.

5062
02:35:09,665 --> 02:35:11,584
When I say county wide approach,

5063
02:35:11,584 --> 02:35:13,166
I don't mean to say that this

5064
02:35:13,166 --> 02:35:14,916
would be exactly prescriptive,

5065
02:35:14,916 --> 02:35:16,208
that every local government

5066
02:35:16,208 --> 02:35:17,333
would need to do it. This

5067
02:35:17,333 --> 02:35:17,708
need

5068
02:35:17,708 --> 02:35:19,791
to regulate these uses the same.

5069
02:35:19,791 --> 02:35:21,208
The coordinated county wide

5070
02:35:21,208 --> 02:35:23,500
approach would mainly be taking

5071
02:35:23,500 --> 02:35:26,500
a pause, crafting county wide

5072
02:35:27,375 --> 02:35:29,830
rules before local governments

5073
02:35:29,830 --> 02:35:31,125
start to approve these

5074
02:35:31,125 --> 02:35:31,458
proposals.

5075
02:35:31,458 --> 02:35:33,375
Mike Mannino: Thank you. Thank you, Chair

5076
02:35:33,375 --> 02:35:35,375
Brian Scott: Richie.

5077
02:35:35,542 --> 02:35:38,665
Richie Floyd: Thank you. And to that point,

5078
02:35:38,665 --> 02:35:40,875
yeah, I think I would be

5079
02:35:40,875 --> 02:35:43,275
supportive of a pause

5080
02:35:43,458 --> 02:35:44,749
moratorium. I don't know what

5081
02:35:44,749 --> 02:35:47,000
language we're using because I

5082
02:35:47,000 --> 02:35:48,458
don't have answers to things

5083
02:35:48,458 --> 02:35:49,500
like that.

5084
02:35:49,500 --> 02:35:51,900
And. To hear at

5085
02:35:53,250 --> 02:35:55,166
first I was like, oh, the one

5086
02:35:55,166 --> 02:35:56,417
in Pinellas Parks, you know,

5087
02:35:56,417 --> 02:35:57,666
not very large. And then to

5088
02:35:57,666 --> 02:35:59,665
hear that it was the amount of

5089
02:35:59,665 --> 02:36:01,749
electric usage is 2500 homes

5090
02:36:01,749 --> 02:36:05,349
was kind of stunning for me.

5091
02:36:06,417 --> 02:36:09,333
And I just don't feel like I

5092
02:36:09,333 --> 02:36:10,749
have enough info to be able to

5093
02:36:10,749 --> 02:36:12,625
make any sort of educated

5094
02:36:12,625 --> 02:36:15,830
decision on uses like that. But

5095
02:36:15,830 --> 02:36:18,683
beyond that. I just I don't

5096
02:36:19,665 --> 02:36:20,749
know if you could speak

5097
02:36:20,749 --> 02:36:21,791
more to

5098
02:36:21,791 --> 02:36:24,791
like what we anticipate seeing

5099
02:36:25,584 --> 02:36:26,833
over time or what other

5100
02:36:26,833 --> 02:36:28,665
communities have seen as far as

5101
02:36:28,665 --> 02:36:29,833
like demand for these things to

5102
02:36:29,833 --> 02:36:33,433
be built. Because we don't have

5103
02:36:34,125 --> 02:36:35,875
any here. And there's only been

5104
02:36:35,875 --> 02:36:36,666
one tan

5105
02:36:36,666 --> 02:36:37,665
gible proposal. So I

5106
02:36:37,665 --> 02:36:38,875
don't know if you could speak

5107
02:36:38,875 --> 02:36:39,833
to that.

5108
02:36:39,833 --> 02:36:41,958
Linda Fisher: We are working to reach out

5109
02:36:41,958 --> 02:36:44,166
to some of our local industries

5110
02:36:44,166 --> 02:36:46,333
that have a presence in the

5111
02:36:46,333 --> 02:36:48,166
data center field. We haven't

5112
02:36:48,166 --> 02:36:49,708
made a successful connection

5113
02:36:49,708 --> 02:36:51,665
thus far, but we are we are

5114
02:36:51,665 --> 02:36:52,665
trying to get a better se

5115
02:36:52,665 --> 02:36:52,749
nse of

5116
02:36:52,749 --> 02:36:53,665
that.

5117
02:36:53,665 --> 02:36:54,665
Richie Floyd: Okay. Yeah, that's yeah. I

5118
02:36:54,665 --> 02:36:56,125
mean, that's another reason for

5119
02:36:56,125 --> 02:36:59,125
me to have hesitations. I'll

5120
02:37:00,666 --> 02:37:02,625
leave it there for now.

5121
02:37:02,625 --> 02:37:04,250
Mr. Chairman.

5122
02:37:04,250 --> 02:37:07,292
Brian Scott: Thanks, Richie. Any other.

5123
02:37:07,292 --> 02:37:09,292
Sorry,

5124
02:37:10,458 --> 02:37:10,665
Chris.

5125
02:37:10,665 --> 02:37:12,500
We'll go to you and then

5126
02:37:12,500 --> 02:37:12,665
we'll go to Mike.

5127
02:37:12,665 --> 02:37:16,665
Chris Johnson: I think, you know, our

5128
02:37:16,665 --> 02:37:18,665
city would be for a coordinated

5129
02:37:18,665 --> 02:37:20,875
policy approach. We definitely

5130
02:37:20,875 --> 02:37:22,125
are starting to talk about this

5131
02:37:22,125 --> 02:37:24,791
now in our planning board.

5132
02:37:24,791 --> 02:37:25,665
So,

5133
02:37:25,665 --> 02:37:27,375
you know, having some some

5134
02:37:27,375 --> 02:37:28,625
coordinated efforts on this and

5135
02:37:28,625 --> 02:37:30,208
some and a pause while we

5136
02:37:30,208 --> 02:37:31,665
figure it out. You know, it

5137
02:37:31,665 --> 02:37:33,665
seems wise.

5138
02:37:34,875 --> 02:37:36,458
Ricky Butler: Thank you, Mr. Chair.

5139
02:37:36,458 --> 02:37:38,410
Totally agree on the pause and

5140
02:37:38,410 --> 02:37:39,250
figuring out. But I will just

5141
02:37:39,250 --> 02:37:41,000
tell you all, you know, one

5142
02:37:41,000 --> 02:37:41,125
of

5143
02:37:41,125 --> 02:37:42,208
the most interesting things

5144
02:37:42,208 --> 02:37:43,417
about being an elected official

5145
02:37:43,417 --> 02:37:45,125
is kind of that balance between

5146
02:37:45,125 --> 02:37:46,708
this incredible staff that does

5147
02:37:46,708 --> 02:37:48,417
their work. And we have the

5148
02:37:48,417 --> 02:37:49,625
same staff at the city, but

5149
02:37:49,625 --> 02:37:51,830
then balancing that with the

5150
02:37:51,830 --> 02:37:52,166
public and their understanding

5151
02:37:52,166 --> 02:37:54,375
of things. And I can tell you

5152
02:37:54,375 --> 02:37:56,250
that I have never seen a more

5153
02:37:56,250 --> 02:37:56,584
unifying t

5154
02:37:56,584 --> 02:37:57,833
opic in the year of

5155
02:37:57,833 --> 02:38:00,833
our Lord 2026 than data centers.

5156
02:38:01,542 --> 02:38:02,916
And, you know, the way our

5157
02:38:02,916 --> 02:38:05,125
county is built and built out

5158
02:38:05,125 --> 02:38:06,665
in some senses, the way a lot

5159
02:38:06,665 --> 02:38:08,500
of our zoning works is, you

5160
02:38:08,500 --> 02:38:11,458
know, my concern is, you know,

5161
02:38:11,458 --> 02:38:12,665
it comes before us as

5162
02:38:12,665 --> 02:38:12,665
a

5163
02:38:12,665 --> 02:38:13,666
conditional conditional use.

5164
02:38:13,666 --> 02:38:14,749
There's no formal application,

5165
02:38:14,749 --> 02:38:16,333
but it comes before us that way.

5166
02:38:16,333 --> 02:38:17,833
And if we approve that, it

5167
02:38:17,833 --> 02:38:19,749
opens the door. And we have a

5168
02:38:19,749 --> 02:38:20,749
tremendous amount of zoning

5169
02:38:20,749 --> 02:38:21,833
that's adjacent to

5170
02:38:21,833 --> 02:38:23,625
neighborhoods. And I just I'm

5171
02:38:23,625 --> 02:38:24,375
usually the guy that's like,

5172
02:38:24,375 --> 02:38:26,000
hey, let's, let's be reasonable

5173
02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:27,542
and let's get to the facts.

5174
02:38:27,542 --> 02:38:28,542
This one, I'm like,

5175
02:38:28,542 --> 02:38:28,833
nope, nope,

5176
02:38:28,833 --> 02:38:30,666
not doing it. So it's not worth

5177
02:38:30,666 --> 02:38:33,000
it. So definitely study more.

5178
02:38:33,000 --> 02:38:34,665
There are places that are

5179
02:38:34,665 --> 02:38:35,916
definitely appropriate for them,

5180
02:38:35,916 --> 02:38:37,584
but at the rate at which the

5181
02:38:37,584 --> 02:38:39,166
legislature decides what we can

5182
02:38:39,166 --> 02:38:40,250
and can't zone whatever, and

5183
02:38:40,250 --> 02:38:41,458
the changes that can come from

5184
02:38:41,458 --> 02:38:43,208
that, it's it's not worth the

5185
02:38:43,208 --> 02:38:44,333
battle for me here in Pin

5186
02:38:44,333 --> 02:38:44,500
ellas

5187
02:38:44,500 --> 02:38:45,458
County. So definitely

5188
02:38:45,458 --> 02:38:47,166
supportive of, of a pause that

5189
02:38:47,166 --> 02:38:48,665
probably ultimately goes

5190
02:38:48,665 --> 02:38:50,665
towards go elsewhere.

5191
02:38:51,584 --> 02:38:53,584
>> Right.

5192
02:38:54,458 --> 02:38:57,333
Tom Shelly: I just wanted to say, we do

5193
02:38:57,333 --> 02:38:58,665
need a one year ban and we need

5194
02:38:58,665 --> 02:39:00,584
a policy in place before

5195
02:39:00,584 --> 02:39:00,665
we

5196
02:39:00,665 --> 02:39:03,410
accept these. Thank you.

5197
02:39:03,410 --> 02:39:04,500
Ricky Butler: Mr. Chair. One more thing.

5198
02:39:04,500 --> 02:39:06,208
Sorry. The other thing too,

5199
02:39:06,208 --> 02:39:07,665
because obviously there are

5200
02:39:07,665 --> 02:39:09,542
data centers in Pinellas County.

5201
02:39:09,542 --> 02:39:11,333
They're part of other uses,

5202
02:39:11,333 --> 02:39:12,665
hospitals and so on and so

5203
02:39:12,665 --> 02:39:14,166
forth. We all understand that.

5204
02:39:14,166 --> 02:39:15,916
But part of that discussion,

5205
02:39:15,916 --> 02:39:16,166
just put

5206
02:39:16,166 --> 02:39:17,166
ting it out there, is

5207
02:39:17,166 --> 02:39:18,916
when you have a data center

5208
02:39:18,916 --> 02:39:21,316
that supports, you know,

5209
02:39:21,665 --> 02:39:22,666
infrastructure, cloud computing,

5210
02:39:22,666 --> 02:39:26,410
those things that an AI data

5211
02:39:26,410 --> 02:39:27,250
center, so that I can make

5212
02:39:27,250 --> 02:39:29,333
really great AI images of

5213
02:39:29,333 --> 02:39:31,830
myself should not be held to

5214
02:39:31,830 --> 02:39:32,749
the same standard or

5215
02:39:32,749 --> 02:39:33,749
expectation. I think that

5216
02:39:33,749 --> 02:39:35,417
should be definitely a thought

5217
02:39:35,417 --> 02:39:36,749
process that, you know, hey, if

5218
02:39:36,749 --> 02:39:38,958
this is supporting critical

5219
02:39:38,958 --> 02:39:39,791
infrastructure for government

5220
02:39:39,791 --> 02:39:41,625
health care, what have you,

5221
02:39:41,625 --> 02:39:43,958
that's got to be different than,

5222
02:39:43,958 --> 02:39:45,208
you know, I know it's a hard

5223
02:39:45,208 --> 02:39:46,958
it's not something we can

5224
02:39:46,958 --> 02:39:48,830
decide, but just putting that

5225
02:39:48,830 --> 02:39:49,125
thought out there because

5226
02:39:49,125 --> 02:39:50,250
that's a, that's a difference

5227
02:39:50,250 --> 02:39:51,166
to me as well.

5228
02:39:51,166 --> 02:39:51,958
Brian Scott: Right.

5229
02:39:51,958 --> 02:39:53,292
Linda Fisher: And I should have clarified

5230
02:39:53,292 --> 02:39:55,410
when I said there were no data

5231
02:39:55,410 --> 02:39:56,125
centers in Pinellas County.

5232
02:39:56,125 --> 02:39:57,410
We're talking about the

5233
02:39:57,410 --> 02:39:57,417
standalone.

5234
02:39:57,417 --> 02:39:57,916
Ricky Butler: Right.

5235
02:39:57,916 --> 02:39:58,916
Understood, understood. Just

5236
02:39:58,916 --> 02:40:00,410
the public is like, we're

5237
02:40:00,410 --> 02:40:01,410
already here. The three

5238
02:40:01,410 --> 02:40:02,208
proponents of data centers that

5239
02:40:02,208 --> 02:40:03,749
showed up.

5240
02:40:03,749 --> 02:40:04,000
Brian Scott: Right.

5241
02:40:04,000 --> 02:40:05,625
Right.

5242
02:40:05,625 --> 02:40:07,292
Yeah. I agree with pretty

5243
02:40:07,292 --> 02:40:08,749
much everything that's been

5244
02:40:08,749 --> 02:40:10,250
said here. And, you know,

5245
02:40:10,250 --> 02:40:13,250
Pinellas County does not have

5246
02:40:13,292 --> 02:40:14,665
as as you mentioned, we don't

5247
02:40:14,665 --> 02:40:17,665
have a land use, you know,

5248
02:40:17,665 --> 02:40:19,916
category for data centers, but

5249
02:40:19,916 --> 02:40:21,830
because we don't have one, if

5250
02:40:21,830 --> 02:40:22,665
it's not listed, then it's then

5251
02:40:22,665 --> 02:40:24,916
it's excluded is the way it's

5252
02:40:24,916 --> 02:40:28,125
been told to us. So do we need

5253
02:40:28,125 --> 02:40:30,500
to update that? Maybe we do. I

5254
02:40:30,500 --> 02:40:31,875
think an approach that we're

5255
02:40:31,875 --> 02:40:34,830
going to consider looking at at

5256
02:40:34,830 --> 02:40:35,833
the county level is, is

5257
02:40:35,833 --> 02:40:36,584
more of

5258
02:40:36,584 --> 02:40:39,000
is resource based. If we're

5259
02:40:39,000 --> 02:40:40,542
going to get an application for

5260
02:40:40,542 --> 02:40:42,208
something that's going to use,

5261
02:40:42,208 --> 02:40:44,830
you know, pick a number, X

5262
02:40:44,830 --> 02:40:47,375
amount of water or X amount of,

5263
02:40:47,375 --> 02:40:49,625
you know, electricity, that it

5264
02:40:49,625 --> 02:40:51,625
has to be voted on by the board

5265
02:40:51,625 --> 02:40:51,749
of county comm

5266
02:40:51,749 --> 02:40:52,584
issioners. You

5267
02:40:52,584 --> 02:40:53,833
know, so there's a level of, of,

5268
02:40:53,833 --> 02:40:56,233
of accountability and process

5269
02:40:56,333 --> 02:40:57,665
that has to go through that. So

5270
02:40:57,665 --> 02:40:59,333
I think that's something that

5271
02:40:59,333 --> 02:41:00,542
we're going to look at at the

5272
02:41:00,542 --> 02:41:01,665
county.

5273
02:41:01,665 --> 02:41:02,500
Richie.

5274
02:41:02,500 --> 02:41:06,665
Richie Floyd: I want to add one more thing,

5275
02:41:06,665 --> 02:41:07,666
sort of just context for

5276
02:41:07,666 --> 02:41:08,708
the

5277
02:41:08,708 --> 02:41:11,108
conversation. My main concern,

5278
02:41:12,665 --> 02:41:13,833
or at least the thing that's

5279
02:41:13,833 --> 02:41:15,584
concerned me the most when

5280
02:41:15,584 --> 02:41:16,666
these have come up has been

5281
02:41:16,666 --> 02:41:20,266
impact on our energy grid. And

5282
02:41:21,584 --> 02:41:22,875
we're going to be reliant on

5283
02:41:22,875 --> 02:41:23,875
what other

5284
02:41:23,875 --> 02:41:25,875
counties do around

5285
02:41:25,916 --> 02:41:28,316
what the utility companies

5286
02:41:28,375 --> 02:41:30,292
approve, because our energy

5287
02:41:30,292 --> 02:41:32,333
grids are all interconnected.

5288
02:41:32,333 --> 02:41:36,166
So I hope that we can use our

5289
02:41:36,166 --> 02:41:38,166
relationships with our

5290
02:41:38,500 --> 02:41:40,166
colleagues in nearby

5291
02:41:40,166 --> 02:41:41,375
jurisdictions to have this

5292
02:41:41,375 --> 02:41:43,749
discussion as well. I've seen

5293
02:41:43,749 --> 02:41:45,208
like a hyper scale one I

5294
02:41:45,208 --> 02:41:46,916
believe was approved in Citrus

5295
02:41:46,916 --> 02:41:48,749
County not too long ago. And

5296
02:41:48,749 --> 02:41:50,665
that's going to impact, you

5297
02:41:50,665 --> 02:41:52,542
know, energy usage for us as

5298
02:41:52,542 --> 02:41:54,208
well. It's all the same grid.

5299
02:41:54,208 --> 02:41:55,665
It could impact our

5300
02:41:55,665 --> 02:41:56,375
energy

5301
02:41:56,375 --> 02:41:57,791
bills. And, you know, at

5302
02:41:57,791 --> 02:42:00,410
crucial times, whenever the

5303
02:42:00,410 --> 02:42:01,458
grid is under high demand,

5304
02:42:01,458 --> 02:42:04,830
that's there now. And so that's

5305
02:42:04,830 --> 02:42:05,916
one of been one of my biggest

5306
02:42:05,916 --> 02:42:07,000
concerns. So I think the

5307
02:42:07,000 --> 02:42:09,458
conversation needs to be broad,

5308
02:42:09,458 --> 02:42:11,584
needs to include, y

5309
02:42:11,584 --> 02:42:12,625
ou know,

5310
02:42:12,625 --> 02:42:15,250
jurisdictions nearby. And I

5311
02:42:16,542 --> 02:42:17,665
don't know if we have any

5312
02:42:17,665 --> 02:42:19,500
leverage, but like a

5313
02:42:19,500 --> 02:42:20,625
conversation with utility

5314
02:42:20,625 --> 02:42:23,410
companies, at the very least.

5315
02:42:23,410 --> 02:42:24,292
Linda Fisher: One positive is that we're

5316
02:42:24,292 --> 02:42:26,410
seeing a lot of counties and

5317
02:42:26,410 --> 02:42:27,916
some nearby that are

5318
02:42:27,916 --> 02:42:28,458
looking at

5319
02:42:28,458 --> 02:42:29,791
that are either passing or

5320
02:42:29,791 --> 02:42:31,875
considering moratoriums as well.

5321
02:42:31,875 --> 02:42:35,208
Richie Floyd: Thank you, thank you.

5322
02:42:35,208 --> 02:42:38,625
Brian Scott: Okay. Anything else? All

5323
02:42:38,625 --> 02:42:40,665
right. So now we will move on

5324
02:42:40,665 --> 02:42:42,410
to the director's report.

5325
02:42:42,410 --> 02:42:43,458
Whit Blanton: Well, the good news is

5326
02:42:43,458 --> 02:42:43,542
I

5327
02:42:43,542 --> 02:42:44,665
don't have much. I just wanted

5328
02:42:44,665 --> 02:42:46,665
to let you know that tomorrow I

5329
02:42:46,665 --> 02:42:48,665
should be getting a draft of

5330
02:42:48,665 --> 02:42:50,375
the preferred scenario for the

5331
02:42:50,375 --> 02:42:52,833
regional MPO in terms of the

5332
02:42:52,833 --> 02:42:54,916
structure of the staffing

5333
02:42:54,916 --> 02:42:57,316
outsourcing. Cost, full time

5334
02:42:58,665 --> 02:42:59,375
equivalency of sta

5335
02:42:59,375 --> 02:43:00,458
ff. And I

5336
02:43:00,458 --> 02:43:01,666
will pour into that review it,

5337
02:43:01,666 --> 02:43:04,375
and I will let you know what

5338
02:43:04,375 --> 02:43:06,625
that looks like. But the good

5339
02:43:06,625 --> 02:43:07,916
news is they're making a lot of

5340
02:43:07,916 --> 02:43:09,375
good progress. We have we're

5341
02:43:09,375 --> 02:43:10,875
going to have a lot of good

5342
02:43:10,875 --> 02:43:12,875
information, and I think that's

5343
02:43:12,875 --> 02:43:14,791
setting us up to have all that

5344
02:43:14,791 --> 02:43:15,292
information availab

5345
02:43:15,292 --> 02:43:16,665
le in August.

5346
02:43:16,665 --> 02:43:18,000
And then we'll distribute that

5347
02:43:18,000 --> 02:43:19,749
to you all, and we'll have it

5348
02:43:19,749 --> 02:43:20,875
ready for the next TMA

5349
02:43:20,875 --> 02:43:21,916
leadership Group meeting. So

5350
02:43:21,916 --> 02:43:23,584
that'll be early October.

5351
02:43:23,584 --> 02:43:24,749
Brian Scott: So okay, great.

5352
02:43:24,749 --> 02:43:26,292
Whit Blanton: That's all I've got.

5353
02:43:26,292 --> 02:43:29,542
Brian Scott: All right. Upcoming events.

5354
02:43:29,542 --> 02:43:31,333
We have informational items

5355
02:43:31,333 --> 02:43:33,584
which is in your packet. If

5356
02:43:33,584 --> 02:43:34,584
anybody has any questions about

5357
02:43:34,584 --> 02:43:35,292
that, you can.

5358
02:43:35,292 --> 02:43:37,166
Whit Blanton: I do want to note that

5359
02:43:37,166 --> 02:43:39,208
there's an MPO Advisory Council

5360
02:43:39,208 --> 02:43:41,458
training in Gainesville that's

5361
02:43:41,458 --> 02:43:43,166
in your packet. And if you're

5362
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interested in that, it's just a

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one day. But I highly encourage

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you all. If you

5365
02:43:47,125 --> 02:43:47,458
haven't done

5366
02:43:47,458 --> 02:43:49,125
the MPO training, it will make

5367
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this job a lot easier for you.

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02:43:50,458 --> 02:43:51,542
I promise.

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Brian Scott: It will. I did it, it's

5370
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worth it.

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02:43:54,333 --> 02:43:55,665
Whit Blanton: And Gainesville is a fun

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02:43:55,665 --> 02:43:57,916
town to go to.

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02:43:57,916 --> 02:44:00,749
Brian Scott: All right. Anybody else have

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02:44:00,749 --> 02:44:02,791
any other business to bring

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forward?

5376
02:44:04,410 --> 02:44:05,625
We're good.

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02:44:05,625 --> 02:44:05,791
Mike.

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02:44:05,791 --> 02:44:07,625
Mike Mannino: Just the last comment. Just

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wanted to thank you for

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stepping up and stepping in as

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02:44:09,708 --> 02:44:11,625
our substitute teacher today. I

5382
02:44:11,625 --> 02:44:11,791
think you did

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02:44:11,791 --> 02:44:12,665
I

5384
02:44:12,665 --> 02:44:14,625
think you did a phenomenal

5385
02:44:14,625 --> 02:44:14,665
job.

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02:44:14,665 --> 02:44:16,665
Brian Scott: I hope I did. Okay, so you

5387
02:44:16,665 --> 02:44:18,584
were stuck with me for the day.

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02:44:18,584 --> 02:44:19,542
Mike Mannino: So you did

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02:44:19,542 --> 02:44:19,665
a great job.

5390
02:44:19,665 --> 02:44:21,665
Brian Scott: All right. Good. All right.

5391
02:44:21,665 --> 02:44:22,665
Well, today was a longer

5392
02:44:22,665 --> 02:44:23,665
meeting. So I appreciate

5393
02:44:23,665 --> 02:44:24,665
everybody coming in and and

5394
02:44:24,665 --> 02:44:26,665
sticking it out here. So thank

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02:44:26,665 --> 02:44:28,584
you very much. And with that we

5396
02:44:28,584 --> 02:44:28,791
are adjourned.

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02:44:28,791 --> 02:44:30,791
Thank you.